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One Wing Low
11-21-05, 21:40
dear mr. hophong,
according to you, this 'one' power (and its satellite states) cause all problems in vietnam, including causing hanoi's vice-minister of youth to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) a 14 year-old girl, causing communist party members to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) and steal the people blind, and causing the extreme poverty and rampant prostitution in the destitute population?
you will have a hard time convincing the rest of the world to place the blame of vietnam's problems on this 'one' power (and its satellite states).
perhaps you should update us on how your vice-minister of youth is doing after [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) the poor 14-year-old girl. as i understand, the poor innocent girl was begging for mercy, and the vice-minister did not give her any.
perhaps your vice-minister has been promoted and celebrated as a people's hero after his evil deed, just to spite the civilized world.
child molestation is totally unacceptable and should be dealt with accordingly. the govt official in hanoi (should he be guilty) deserves the same punishment that should be accorded to those who can afford to pay-off parents of a minor because the 'justice' system allows them to buy the best lawyers. in my humble opinion the world is screwed up as it is because of one 'power' (and its satellite states) believing that their system is better than others. be as it may, one size does not fit all. when the 'western world' acknowledges that we will all be safer.
to all others: i apologize for responsing to this and the previous message. 'better than thou' attitudes seem to bring out the worst in me! i will not clutter this board with my responses to issues such as these any more.
[QUOTE=James Tran]...While democracy is a gradual progress which takes many years to mature, Marx's communism advocated the abolition of property in land, the application of all land rent to public purposes; abolition of all rights of inheritance; abolition of all religions, etc. These daring and never-been-tested-before callings had a deadly consequence and ruined million lives which we all know so well.
[QUOTE]Now, let's start with the first part of the quote above: "democracy is a gradual progress which takes many years to mature...." NO ARGUMENT THERE. But, of course, since the 'civilized world' knows better, both Afghanistan and Iraq are ready for this change overnight. Right?
On to the second part: "These daring and never-been-tested-before callings had a deadly consequence and ruined million lives which we all know so well." Excuse me, but are we talking about communism here or imperialism, as practised and perfected by the British, the French and now the American's more recently. Does anyone recall how communism played a part in World War I or II? Were Korean and Vietnamese forces found in California or was it a case of American troops invading those countries? Iraq & Afghanistan do not practise communism., or so I thought! Ah, let's not forget the acts of 'self-defense' either. Napalm, atom, Agent Orange, My Lai, etc. etc. Talk about "deadly consequence and ruined million lives". You have your facts TOTALLY wrong. I strongly recommend you stop watching FOX and CNN networks!
Danielus20
11-22-05, 06:41
I am staying at DaeWoo now. For what it's worth, a girl I met the other night would not even try to come there, said she couldn't get in. Did the minihotel bit instead.
[QUOTE=Pansted00]Please note that the DAEWOO is totally guest unfriendly.
Impossible to bring a guest at the moment.
Pansted, would you describe exactly what you experienced that leads you to say that the Daewoo is not allowing girls in now?
White Monkey
11-22-05, 21:02
In most hotels you cannot get gals in after dark...You'll have to ask the policy or look for a posting at the front desk.
I always found it less of a hassle to get my shaggin done in the day time if you want to enjoy your room...otherwise as you said, short time it.
I am staying at DaeWoo now. For what it's worth, a girl I met the other night would not even try to come there, said she couldn't get in. Did the minihotel bit instead.
[QUOTE=Co Van My]
White Monkey
11-22-05, 21:15
Hey dull tool,
Yes, all forms of government are based on theories. Some more tested than others, but none of them pure or following intensions....because of the corrupt nature of a patriarchal leadership, etc.
Marx advocated the rise of the opressed working class over the proletariat, or ownership class in order to free themsleves from economic "slavery". He also did feel strongly about the legitimacy of Western Religions, namely Catholicism INC.
My education. I have three degrees from the US.
There you go again accusing others as being less than perfect becuase they are a westerners, an assumption. If you are so proud to be Asian, which is cool, why do you use a cheesy Western name like James? You are so confrontational and condescending which indicated that you have issues, have you tried meditation?
Here we go again. This is very naive of you WM. I wonder what level of education you got. It originated in Athens with the Greeces. It is a long and proven progress which has been tested for couple thousand years. And you are right on this: communism (not socialism) is indeed a theory which had never been tested before Karl Marx published his Communist Manifesto in 1848. While democracy is a gradual progress which takes many years to mature, Marx's communism advocated the abolition of property in land, the application of all land rent to public purposes; abolition of all rights of inheritance; abolition of all religions, etc. These daring and never-been-tested-before callings had a deadly consequence and ruined million lives which we all know so well.
"Vietnam has come a long way, and like it or not there are a lot more ways to act free there than in many "Civilized" countries."
This statement which comes from a Westerner is indeed ignorant. "Acting free than many civilized countries" is correct to a minority, the ruling class, and not to the mass.
""Democracy" does not have a cleaner track record than "communism"
Hummm, with your knowledge on these subjects I doubt if you can come up with evidences to support your claims.
Silly Puppy
11-22-05, 23:12
"There you go again accusing others as being less than perfect becuase they are a westerners, an assumption. "
Humm this dude is putting words in my mouth. But anyway, regardless you are an Asian, Caucasian, Black, Indian, etc you are NOT perfect. If you want to state the fact then use the above.
Your lack of experience in living with the real communist system convinced you that no system is perfect. Without the Eastern Europe revolution and the collapse of communism in Soviet Union you probably 'd never see China or Vietnam; let alone the real Viet or China. I was lucky to see the real Vietnam. These countries already changed a lot EXTERNALLY, but internally the government is still the same old hard core like 30 years ago.
Living in this relative world, if you are well educated, "3 degrees of blackbelt?" :) you should have understood we can only live by accepting what is best out there. However, we can't just say because the system is not perfect so let's continue living this way. This is what the communist propaganda's tried to put in your head and you are spreading it out to us. And this is so lame!
By the same token, blaming that everything comes from theories and therefore is bad, not perfect, so doing nothing is the right approach, is also lame. Being educated like you is not worthier than a worker who revolted against the industrial proletariat in The February Revolution in Berlin, Cologne, and Paris. Camouflaging under a Western hat you are trying to defend the current Vietnam regime by accusing the West for not being perfect. God damn it! open your eyes and look carefully at the average people around you in VN and at least if you have some decency, open your heart to feel their pain. I travelled from North to South and have seen many things. I've seen couple Vietnam vets gave 2000 dong to a poor lady harvesting river snails with her handicaped son. I don't expect Westerner to feel pity for my own country. But if they do al least do not try to blindly defend the stupid government. You are too much WM. You are white with 3 degrees in US but you are dumber than a 12th grade student in the South.
Now get back to the subject that you are trying to dodge all day. Tell me what and why you KNOW democracy doesn't have a cleaner track record than communism. Something that can last 2000 years and something is so ill-fated that can only last 1989-1917 = 72 years and you can state such dumb statement One is majority rules for the people and one is minority rules for the party members and their family, and you are saying you are not sure which system is better? Well, if you are not sure then be quiet then nobody will try to correct you.
Silly Puppy
11-22-05, 23:56
What happening in Iraq,like I've said, (Bush) is wrong. But if you want to bring Afghanistan in I'd say Bush is right. If you want to go further with this, I am happy to discuss it with you.
What Bush did in Iraq is anti-democracy thus is wrong and I am here in US free to say that. In VN if you are going to say communist is wrong you know where you are going to; jail or see HCM in hell. Bush and his gang don't represent the whole democracy system. In principle democracy even it is not a perfect tool, it is the best tool. On the other hand communism is a bad tool because in principle it is bad. Think about all the abolishtion things that I only mentioned a few. So the good tool in a bad hand (in this case Bush and his cabinet) will make people suffer; we in the US are suffering somewhat (2000 dead soldiers, some little impact to the economy, some doubts about democracy system, etc); thousands of innocent people died in Iraq, collapsed economy, etc. However, the rest of the world is ok, not too many people suffer because of this stupid mistake from our president. This is thanks to the democracy, an "imperfect system." And you know what, what happened to Mylai is not because democracy is not perfect, no democracy system tolerates such massacer, but it happened because of an individual frustration in dealing with the communist guerillas. I am not here to support Casey and his action but his crime is nothing compare to crimes that VietCong and the communist party in VN did to many innocent people; for example the Tet massacre in Hue in 1968, and many more.
However, a bad tool in a bad hand is really terrible. Think about Mao Tse Dong and his cultural revolution that killed 20 milion innocent people and destryed many historical relics; think about Stalin and the killing of 15000 Polish officers or his kiling of his own people in the millions; think about the massacre that Khmer Rouge committed to their own people; think about what the Vietnamese governement did to the "puppet" South Vietnamese soldiers and their family after 1975; think about how hungry the North Korea was last year or couple years ago and if not without the help of Western world how many people would die? Ha ha... just think about these and tell me what jungle is better?
[QUOTE=James Tran]And you know what, what happened to Mylai is not because democracy is not perfect, no democracy system tolerates such massacer, but it happened because of an individual frustration in dealing with the communist guerillas.[QUOTE]James,
I am not here simply to be argumentative and cannot sit here and say that I disagree with everything that you have written BUT I do question the statement quoted above. You claim (more than once) that you reside in the U.S. and use the term "we/us" so, assuming that you are an American, I ask you this: can you PLEASE say that 911 was NOT caused by anything other than AN INDIVIDUAL FRUSTRATION. I bet you cannot! This is because the Western mind has been twisted by the media and, despite having marginal amount of facts, is quick to judge others. There was nothing 'individual' about My Lai (read and understand the chain of command in that incident) and the women and children slaughtered there did not represent "communist guerillas" any more than the victims of the Twin Towers representing imperialist America or zionism. For God's sake, stop using duplicity in your arguments...it is the curse of the West upon the world.
And, just for the record, let me share the Western "justice" in this case:
March 31, '71 - Calley sentenced to life
August 20, '71 - Calley's sentence reduced to 20 years
April 16, '74 - Calley's sentence reduced to 10 years
November 9, '74 - Calley released on bond
September 10, '75 - Calley paroled (serving only 3 1/2 years)
And you mock other's justice?
Silly Puppy
11-24-05, 17:28
you keep bringing up the mylai case which is nothing compared to what vietnamese or chinese communists did to their own people during and after the wars. it seems you are obseesed with this particular event. i suggest you to do more research on crimes committed by communists then you may change your opinions. anyway i will discuss with you about the mylai and the tet massacre in hue cases.
the mylai massacer is nothing compared to the tet massacre. they are both terrible and many innocent people died. fortunately (or unfortunately), you and i know exactly what punishment calley received for his crime; they are unjustice from your point of view. however, at least calley (not casey, my fault) was put under a us justice system for his crime. on the other hand all the killers of a few thousand of innocent people in hue were never put on trial. so tell me which jungle is better?
let me share with you some lights on the "people" in my lai village as people like you (not sure where you are from) have been taught and read from documents, literatures, textbooks, cnn, bbc, etc not like us vietnamese actually lived thru the war. my lai is not a normal village, it is located in quang ngai province where at least more than 90% of population are commnunists or vc sympathizers. to win the war americans and south vietnamese had to do more than just bombed the hell out of these towns, attacked during the day then withdrew back to their base at night. dealing with guerrilars was a never-ending game and these americans were not patient enought to do that. so it happened! calley ordered his troop to kill all the villagers including old people and children. this was a terrible crime and should not be tolerated. however, calley got released after 3 1/2 years in house arrest (not prison). he gor released from prison by president nixon who used his presidential pardon right to overrule the sentence and put calley under house arrest. sound unjustic, right? but this is legal in a democrat system as nixon was following the american opinions; see http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/mylai/surveyresults.html
at least in principle, the us army martial court tried to convict calley, sentenced him the hardest punishment he could get; but failed to keep him in prison because the majority of people disagreed with the verdict. i agree with you that it is still not good but that was the best american justice could do.
now i am back to the tet massacre as it seems you know nothing about this particular case. let's try to be fair when we want to judge any systems.
in 1968 on the lunar new year vietnamese communists were ordered to attack through out the whole country. they did not succeed militarily but they were successful diplomatically and strategically. in hue, the old imperial capital of vietnam, located on the south china sea, the vc (vietnamese communists and guerillars) stayed and dug in for about a month. they were finally rooted out and left many deaths behind; most of them south vietnamese they suspected working with the government. to name a few please read...
http://www.saigon.com/regions/hue/
http://ngothelinh.tripod.com/hue.html
http://www.vietquoc.com/0002vq.htm
"the most surprising losses, however, didn't occur among the fighting soldiers or in the razed buildings. americans and south vietnamese later discovered that, upon entering the city, nva/vc leaders rounded up south vietnamese teachers and government officials and killed them. in what became known as the hue massacre, the nva/vc murdered nearly 3,000 residents of hue and buried them in a mass grave in the jungle outside the city."
well, the commander who was responsible for the massacre was never put under a justice system. we will never know who commanded such horrific and barbaric action because the communist system hid/censored the info, not like western world with news and freedom of speech such crime is difficult to hide. the responsible person for such crime is not an individual but is the whole system for hiding it. so, "what jungle is better?"
btw, i will leave the 911 out of the discussion because it is getting out of hand. this is a forum to find girls for fucking :) and we are seriously discussing politics which seems to be unappropriate. i am sorry for getting carried away on such topic. i now rest my case and will never touch this subject again.
I am sorry for getting carried away on such topic. I now rest my case and will never touch this subject again.OK, now we both are on the same page! I too will not dwell on this issue any longer UNLESS provoked into it by someone who is condescending towards Vietnamese or believes in the superiority of one system over another.
Good luck and God bless,
James
Guy's, for the record, I love Vietnamese as much as any other national identity. What I need to know is, how the scene is looking around the Hilton these days. Where to go, can they come to the hotel, etc etc. Please give opinions.
By the way, as I noted in really old posts, the Daewoo allowed girls to come with you as long as you paid the 'guest fee' of around $50 for the night. This was on 2002.
Around the Hilton in the evenings plenty of girls driving around who will approach you and offer to go to a close-by Nha Nghi (crappy hostel).
However, I would be more interested in actual Nha Nghi's or hotels where you can just walk in and find girls. Any suggestions?
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Asia Rocks
12-01-05, 13:03
Easier to get into the new Hanoi Hilton than out of the old one. Careful of the MB girls. You can hook up with a girl at one of the clubs and take her back to the hotel or have her visit you at the hotel, but easier at 10:00 than 12:00.
Cheers, AR
Guy's, for the record, I love Vietnamese as much as any other national identity. What I need to know is, how the scene is looking around the Hilton these days. Where to go, can they come to the hotel, etc etc. Please give opinions.
By the way, as I noted in really old posts, the Daewoo allowed girls to come with you as long as you paid the 'guest fee' of around $50 for the night. This was on 2002.
but the Southerners are SO much better looking than the Northerners that I now think it better to bring one from the South to Halong Bay (rather than finding one in Hanoi, Haiphong, or Halong City). I read that there are available girls on Cat Ba itself, but convenitional wisdom would say that selection and price will be inferior (like Ko Samui or Phuket vs. OPattaya, Boracay vs. Angeles, Bali vs. Jakarta etc etc). Anybody here have opinions on point to share? Tam Biet.
but the Southerners are SO much better looking than the Northerners...It's certainly a matter of opion. I tend to lke the southern girls more myself, but many of the Viet kieu I know sing the praises of the fair-skinned northerners.
The last time I was in Halong, there were many very pretty girls in the karaoke places, and also in the hotel massage operations. Don't know about availability on Cat Ba.
Personally, I would feel very encumbered by bringing a girl up from the south. To much baggage, if you will. A local girl would be easier to divorce.
Easier to get into the new Hanoi Hilton than out of the old one. Careful of the MB girls. You can hook up with a girl at one of the clubs and take her back to the hotel or have her visit you at the hotel, but easier at 10:00 than 12:00.
Cheers, AR
Thanks AR. Any particular clubs come to mind?
Asia Rocks
12-02-05, 03:01
Club Q at Daewoo Hotel, Boss at Fortuna Hotel, Club at Hanoi Hotel (can't remember name), New Century Club, 10B Trang Thi St. Happy hunting.
Thanks AR. Any particular clubs come to mind?
The Vietkieu girls in California are, on average, WAY better looking than those here in the country who are really quite underwhelming in apearance. I DEFINITELY think LOS, Indonesia and the PI all offer better looking women both in the water trades and among civilians. Quite a surprise I must admit. as I expected much better.
Soccer Mate
12-19-05, 12:05
Hello Friends,
I am supposed to go to Hanoi and Hochimin for work next month. which place is better in terms of getting some good action? As I could plan my weekend around the place I go last. Also hows the pick up/ freebie scene in town? Havent read much about internet pick up in Vietnam:)!
Thanks all,
Soccer
I took a stroll from the Hilton down to the lake a few blocks away. On the way back, I had 3 or 4 motobike girls either slow down or stop next to me. Trouble was, being winter now, they were all bundled up as if the snow was coming, so it was impossible to tell how they looked.
I'm not even sure what the deal is in terms of price or even where to go. I dont think I'd want to drag one of them into the Hilton.
Silly Puppy
12-20-05, 00:24
freebie's are pieces of cake. Many guys, especially Caucasian, just use their charm and lure these young beautiful Viet girls into their fishnet arms. :) Keep hoping if you have TIME. If you don't then your chance is 1/1mil. How much time do you have?
the Central region was unbelievably cold and wet. Hanoi has been in the mid to high 60s which is pretty comfortable. I found a VERY GFE freelancer through a taxi driver but she speaks ZERO English (and he VERY little). But it turnmed out great and as soon as she saw the camera she stripped down and started posing suggestively. What a welcome change from times when you have to battle to get a risque foto (plus pay extra). Given that VN is a totalitarian police state, I will not post pictures showing faces on this board. I will post some with faces obscurred, however, upon my return.
New Century disco is THE hotspot, but you bette have a high tolerance for 3 digit decibel levels and second hand smoke in concentrations that boggle the mind. Plus VERY unfriendly bouncers and tremendous crowds of people bumping into you all the time. I HATED it, but there ae some lookers there for the taking to be sure. Free lockers outside are a nice touch for storing your fannypack or whatever. Beware fleecing by taxi drivers on the way home late at night (seems to close at 1am despite local rule requiring miodnight closure).
Asia Rocks
12-21-05, 18:05
Brandon,
The motobike girls will want to take you to mini-hotel which is a scam waiting to happen. I've been scammed twice, although able to reverse one with threat of violence which would actually have been a bigger problem than losing the money. You just don't want to go there.
Cheers, AR
I took a stroll from the Hilton down to the lake a few blocks away. On the way back, I had 3 or 4 motobike girls either slow down or stop next to me. Trouble was, being winter now, they were all bundled up as if the snow was coming, so it was impossible to tell how they looked.
I'm not even sure what the deal is in terms of price or even where to go. I dont think I'd want to drag one of them into the Hilton.
There used to be a massage place just across hilton. You can get a decent massage ($6) and hand job and roaming for $15. I wonder if it is still there.
I took a stroll from the Hilton down to the lake a few blocks away. On the way back, I had 3 or 4 motobike girls either slow down or stop next to me. Trouble was, being winter now, they were all bundled up as if the snow was coming, so it was impossible to tell how they looked.
I'm not even sure what the deal is in terms of price or even where to go. I dont think I'd want to drag one of them into the Hilton.[/QUOTE]
Silly Puppy
12-21-05, 20:40
then it is a scam. Do not listen to anyone (pimp) who lures you with craps such as cheap price + beautiful girl, they just don't go together. Do not go with motobike girls because the chance to get rip-off is high. Always bring girls back to your hotel OR only go with someone you know well and who knows the area very well. I myself am very confident in my knowing of the country, act like a local and in fact was in trouble couple times. I know some foreigners (backpack tourists) got robbed and beaten up so badly because they refused to give the robbers money. That said ... please play safe. VN is a jungle and you may venture with extreme caution.
Even BEFORE you open your mouth, they KNOW. They know people from Central or Southern VN too. Granted understanding the language helps reduce the risk SOMEWHAT, but I am told VK are considered particularly good targets for robbery because they are ALL showing off how wealthy they have become overseas (unlike backpackers who rarely wear jewelry or expensive watches and do not carry wads of cash to impress local girls the way the VKs do).
Violent crime against foreigners is NOT common, contrary to what JT would have you believe, because the police come down PARTICULARLY hard on them as they REALLY want to encourage tourism. For example, Japanese no longer need visas and it may be expended to other nationalities next year.
VN has MANY summary executions (the exact number is a state secret) and NOBODY screws around with the police. NOBODY. And the word is out not to attack foreigners (overcharge them yes, but use violence No).
I think the risk of being victimized by violent crime is MUCH less in VN than in the US so don't let JT's attempts to scare you away succeed. YES fleecing the foreigner is a national pasttime, but it is VERY rarely accompanied by violence by all accounts I hear (and I have two friends who have lived here for several years).
I DO agree that anything that sounds too good to be true probably is.
Even BEFORE you open your mouth, they KNOW. They know people from Central or Southern VN too. Granted understanding the language helps reduce the risk SOMEWHAT, but I am told VK are considered particularly good targets for robbery because they are ALL showing off how wealthy they have become overseas (unlike backpackers who rarely wear jewelry or expensive watches and do not carry wads of cash to impress local girls the way the VKs do).
Violent crime against foreigners is NOT common, contrary to what JT would have you believe, because the police come down PARTICULARLY hard on them as they REALLY want to encourage tourism. For example, Japanese no longer need visas and it may be expended to other nationalities next year.
VN has MANY summary executions (the exact number is a state secret) and NOBODY screws around with the police. NOBODY. And the word is out not to attack foreigners (overcharge them yes, but use violence No).
I think the risk of being victimized by violent crime is MUCH less in VN than in the US so don't let JT's attempts to scare you away succeed. YES fleecing the foreigner is a national pasttime, but it is VERY rarely accompanied by violence by all accounts I hear (and I have two friends who have lived here for several years).
I DO agree that anything that sounds too good to be true probably is.
Silly Puppy
12-25-05, 19:39
like you really know.
Surfer is just repeating what he was told by his ho's and he doesn't know craps about how a Vietkieu can blend in among the locals. It is not hard, as a matter of fact, if you know the language, don't act like Sufer assumes you would, speak some Viet slangs, and don't mix English with Vietnamese. Always pretend like you are from another regions. For example, if you go to the South say you are from Nha Trang. If you go to the North say you are from Saigon. If you hang around with the locals too long they may suspect something but these tricks will give you time, what you want, and you just disappear before they have time to plan a trick on you.
I am warning people to play safe and don't be sorry later. If you are an adventurous type of guy, behave a little and play safe then you are ok. I was in Hue for a few days, made a mistake by getting on a cyclo at 10PM. The guy KNEW I was a tourist from Danang (why I pretended to be from Danang is a long story) and tried to take me to a deserted area. Hue is relatively a much safer place than Hanoi and crimes are rarely heard of but it doesn't mean crime doesn't exist.
Couple xe-om guys (motobike drivers) in Danang told me stories about backpacking tourists got robbed. These backpacking guys are more adventurous than other tourists and normally not as wealthy. So they 'd try to get cheap girls by going with cyclo or xe-om drivers to cheap KTV's or remote outskirt areas. They refused to pay an inflated bill and got beaten up.
Play within your boundary then you are ok. Trust your instincts and do not be too adventurous. Don't tell the cyclo/xe-om guys where your hotel is if you travel with your wife/family and want to try a quicky (this is for Vietkieu, the foreigners are luckier than Vietkieu this way because scammers' lack of English hinder them from extorting money from the foreigners. But not so long before they find out how.) In a country where average income is around $450 a year and Surfer has guts to say it is safer than in the US!
While the VN government are working hard to get crimes down they are also good in sensorship which means the true crimes are not publicized so even Surfer's friends have no clues. Surfer's friends are making him feel too dangerously safe and he one day WILL pay for such ignorance.
Surfer is just repeating what he was told by his ho's and he doesn't know craps......... JT,
With all due respect to your point of view, I think Surfer has observed more than you think. I don’t think his observations are very far off the mark, and not because of what my ho’s have told me.
Here’s why: I am married to a Viet kieu (vuot bien early 80s), and literally most of my friends and every day associates are VK. We talk a lot about traveling in Vietnam (I’ve been there many times), and they generally agree that it is very hard to hide the foreign influences that have crept into their daily lives: clothes, mannerisms, makeup, accents, and on and on. My friends are not flashy people. They hold very average jobs, few have college degrees, and they certainly don’t make an issue out of their “emigrant” status. Quite the opposite: they would like very much to go completely unnoticed, but they usually can’t. That doesn’t mean that every VK is quickly discovered, but I think it’s a fair generalization.
Of course a VK who has gone back to Vietnam for extended periods can revert. With a locally purchased clothes, and a renewed knowledge of local slang, customs, and geography, I can believe that someone like you might pass as a local. In a sense, you have become a local again.
I would like to make another generalization, and I hope you won’t take undue offense. One of the prevailing traits of my Vietnamese friends, including the people I meet in Vietnam, is the near impossibility of allowing for different opinions. They tend to believe they have access to absolute truth on almost any subject, and they have very little respect for any ideas that don’t match their own beliefs. I have observed this for more than 30 years, and it is no less true today than in was then.
As someone else has said, I like to learn by experience: other people’s experience whenever possible..
I agree with Surfer that Vietnam is a relatively safe country, although it is not nearly as safe as it was in the early 90s. Drugs, the black market, new knowledge about the wealth of the politicians and foreigners has led to the jealous, “where’s mine” syndrome, and crime often follows that. Foreigners can get rolled, beaten and robbed, but I would rather walk down a Saigon street at 2 a.m. than those of most American cities, or European, for that matter.
Sure there are scams, and not just in the bargirl trade. I’ve tried doing business there, and the scams run throughout the society, from cyclo drivers to the Hanoi ministries. It’s endemic, but that doesn’t mean you can’t ever forge trustworthy relationships, again from the cylco drivers to the ministers. I have some trusted friends at both ends of the spectrum.
One of the good things about forums like this is that one can read different points of view and make up his own mind about things. I enjoy reading what you have to say, but there are certainly other plausible points of view.
What I find offensive, however, is the manner in which you sometimes choose to express yourself. We're all equals here in this anonymous world of chat, and none of us is blessed with knowing absolute truth. Argue and disagree, but try to avoid the personal and demeaning attacks. I think you probably would like to be seen as above that.
JT/Friends,
Where are the popular hot spots in Hanoi/HCMC? Looking to meet some local non-pro girls. Are there clubs and discos that the young females go to in this cities? Looking for some freebie action. Please help. PM or post. Anyone looking to meet up for a drink please PM me. Thanks.
My observations from 9 visits over the last 10 years is that VN is a safer place to be adventerous in than, say, Sydney or Amsterdam or Jakarta. Of course safe is a relative term in this post. Its not as safe as staying at home.
Having said this, i have watched in front of me, a three person snatch from a guys pocket (one to bump off balance, one to grab, and one to take the pass). I have seen a drink (mine) being spiked, saw the girl i was with take a swig, and then watched as she became physically ill about 20 minutes later as we arrived at our villa. At that point some thugs arrived, i believe they expected me to be the one doubled up, and were caught off guard to find me quite upright and big and angry. no problem that night. But i would say this is at least what you face anywhere.
In VN i have been to mini hotels, travelled with girls, riden on the back of their scooters around town at 3 or 4 oclock in the morning. Loaned money short term and got it back.
And yes, there is always someone trying to pull money from you. Its just fun watching them do it to you, and judging who you will let do it to you!
I have spent time in many many places, and I have no doubts: its safer in VN.
Just my observation !
Ozirob
Silly Puppy
12-26-05, 19:53
Dear fellow Viet expats,
The warnings I gave earlier are only applicable to you and not to the foreigners because the communist government treat these folks better than you guys. The Viet locals will treat these folks like government officials since the hardest or even capital punishment will be used to punish whoever dare to commit violence on these VIP's :)
Dear ISG mongers,
Vietnam is the safest country in the world on mongering activities. It is safer than US, Amsterdam, Europe, you-name-it, etc. There are no AIDS, drugs, beggars, robbery, crimes of any type, whatsoever. Please come to the country to experience a safest fucking safari that you will never forget where motobike girls are drama free, much nicer than hotel massage girls, and a lot of times they give it free to ugly looking foreigners if they are tall and big. It is so safe that walking at 2AM in the morning on a deserted street in VN is safer than at 2 PM on 1st street of any US cities because you are so big compared to these small local Vietnamese guys. I didn't know all these facts until recently thanks to some experienced ISG mongers. :D
He, like the VCP (Vietnamese Communist Party) speaks the gospel truth which ALL must accept as dogma. It says so in all the museums glorifying the heroic victory of socialism over yankee imperialism.
Now having discussed the "Unassailable historical facts", let me add for my personal opinion (for what littl;e it is worth) after having JUST spent the last 3 weeks there:
JT is like a spoiled child who thinks VN is his private sandbox and tries to mask his own insecurity by claiming only he is cool/smart enough to enjoy VN. I have seen this in MANY other threads long before I ever posted in this folder (my main area of interest, and location of most of my 500+ posts, is Colombia).
An example of JT's attempt to discourage people was when told everybody that vietsingles.com will yield them no results unless they can speak VN. This was typical of the disinformation he spreads. I get no kickback from VN if more of you guys go and, in candor, as a mongering destination I think it is decidely medicore. As a destination for ADVENTUROUS travelers with Third World experience, however, it is SUPERLATIVE. VN is not good for the newbie who is MUCH better off sticking to PI or LOS IMHO.
On the safety issue, I am reposting a thread from one of the PRIVATE sites I belong to made by a roundeye who has lived in VN for several years (while JT almost certainly has lived in Westminster or another enclave of VK in the US during that time). TWO other long term residents told me the EXACT same thing (so I do have sources besides my District 1 hos LOL!).
MEMBERS NAME [REDACTED]
Location: Vietnam
Post Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 7:34 pm Post subject: A Vietnam folder
You set up a VN folder and I will provide as much content as possible. Since I have a live-in "home entertainmentt system" I am not out sampling as much as in the past - but I do frequent the popular joints to maintain the "goodwill" and to keep abreast of the street info.
Guys - always exercise caution in Sai Gon, as you would anywhere else you visit. If you are drunk, never go out alone. However, I have found myself in dozens of these "iffy" mini-hotels and have NEVER had an unpleasant experience. Remember, the police here have ZERO tolerance for crimes against tourists. Visitors to Vietnam are provided extra protection, and anyone ripping off a tourist faces serious consequences. No mini-hotel owner is going to risk getting thrown in jail (They are held responsible for anything that happens on their property) to accomodate some taxi girl or her pimp boyfriend.
Again, watch your drinks. A drunk will get rolled in Salt Lake City, Utah as fast as he will get rolled here in HCMC."
THIS guy LIVES there (not in Little Saigon like JT) and, IMHO, has a closer grip on current conditions than JT. Maybe JT's ugly incident in Hue occurred because he shot his mouth off like a know it all VK to the xe om driver and/or was flashing a wad of cash or expensive handphone etc). .
So, IMHO, if your level of risk tolerance means you are scared to leave the farm in Kansas (think Dorothy in the Wizard of Office)then don't go to VN (but don't go to LA, Chicago or NY either!).
This is my last post on the subject (and, likely, in the VN folder as I will now return to thje love of my life, Colombia. But please don't go there-it is much too dangerous! LOL!)
Silly Puppy
12-27-05, 04:27
I just stated the facts and if Surfer doesn't like it then he can beat it. VN to me is nothing more than a third world country where I happen to speak its language, no more no less. I actually prefer China to Vietnam because I find the Chinese are, believe it or not, more trustworthy even they are our #1 enemy. This guys sounds like he knows VN like his palm thru short-lived encounters with his ho's and couple expats. He is actually an irresponsible person encouraging dangerous activities which VN locals dare not do. There are many Viet forums talking about scams with motobike girls and if you can read Vietnamese just PM me and I can show you where as I am wasting my time with this immature kid.
The Viet government has a policy of "ZERO tolerance for crimes against tourists." This is true and but it doesn't mean tourists are "untouchable". This kid is very irresponsible by stating such policy to encourage others to do the same unsafe activities that he did (or maybe didn't).
With very limitted knowledge of Vietnamese people (he even had the guts to say VN one day will be wealthy without any facts/data to back up - I find this comment very hilarious if not childish) and his living dangerously style in Columbia he is encouraging people to do the same. While statistically he is not a victim, yet, anyone who attempt to do the same will fall into the high risk category. As a reminder, doing bareback couple times may not give you HIV but the great feeling of being BB may encourage you to do more and more and thus you one day will eventually get it.
There is no web site such as vietsingles.com IIRC that I ever discussed. I remember we talked about Vietfun.org and its chatrooms. Here it is, anyone who think they can get a girl from these rooms please go ahead and make my day. http://www.vietfun.com/cgi-bin/chat.cgi. The success rate is close to zero. If someone claims he got a girl/freebie from this chatroom without knowing how to write Vietnamese I basically ignore the liar.
Who cares how many posts he posted, 500 or 5 do not make any difference as far as he understands responsibility. I'd rather trust folks who caution me more than folks like him. When I am in China, Vietnam, Mexico, Dominican Republic, etc, and will be one day in Columbia to fuck its girls I always follow my instincts and listen to bellboys, taxi drivers, warnings from ISG forums, etc and always proceed with caution in this rather dangerous activity; ie mongering. Sometimes I didn't follow my instinct and I paid for it. Now I have learned the lessons and was quite surprised to see a foreigner who is so confident about his daring activitives in a country he is NOT at all familiar with. This Columbian guy with drug dealing living style is for sure too much for me. :)
Traveler1234
12-27-05, 05:13
Hey guys...happy holidays.
Let's put down the swords and get back to the good stuff. If you both want to continue to contest who's got the bigger dick, wny not just pm each other, and not take up the Hanoi forum.
IMHO
You cannot even spell it correctly. I will waste no more time correcting the BS you spew as most readers who follow this forum knew WELL before I started posting here that you are full of it.
As you KNOW, vietsingles is the portion of vietfun for meeting girls (and the only portion likely to be of any interest). And one CAN succeed (maybe you can't because of your arrogance or your lack of attractiveness etc). Just another pathetic attempt to mislead the readership.
Keep traveling in Mexico, the DR, China and Viet Nam and leave the good mongering destinations to those of us who can appreciate them. And regarding your false and malicious allegation that I am some sort of drug dealer, that comment IS actionable as slander and if you had any money I might well sue you for it you but given that you likely work as a gas station attendant or in a nail shop I won't bother. Again, with a mouth run amok like yours it is no wonder YOU got attacked in Hue (you surely deserved it!)
Horn Dog 2
12-28-05, 14:13
Surfer & James Tran
I liked what you guys have to say. One needs not to take the other's opinion personally, you both have DIFFERENT extensive experience in your mongering. I don't think it should be a pissing contest since life is so short. Myself, I rather be cumming in a SP. One might agree with James said about not going with the M.C. girls but if you had a local (my friend's uncle) who was my driver, translator, security gurard and negotiator. M.C. babes: BJ + FS for $170-200K But, I can see James' point about going to a unknown hotel and possibly being set-up for a rip-off, some places are in pretty dark areas.
Surfer: I will take your advice and check out the other Asian countries. But, I still think the Viet babes are hot. I always will have memories about thousands of slim, pretty and sexy dressed scooter riding babes with their long hair flying in the wind. Even the not so pretty ones have nice bodies. Viva Vietnam.
Silly Puppy
12-28-05, 22:22
I now know who I am dealing with. My apology to the forum as I think I am wasting time to all of you.
Thanks everyone for reminding me ...
Brandon,
The motobike girls will want to take you to mini-hotel which is a scam waiting to happen. I've been scammed twice, although able to reverse one with threat of violence which would actually have been a bigger problem than losing the money. You just don't want to go there.
Cheers, AR
Thanks for the scoop. I wonder what they would say to going back to your own hotel instead?
Asia Rocks
12-30-05, 18:05
Thanks for the scoop. I wonder what they would say to going back to your own hotel instead?
I doubt it because the principal objective is to scam you, but you can certainly find girls willing to go to the hotel which will not always be successful, but before 11:00 odds are pretty good.
Cheers, AR
Hi,
Has anyone stayed at the Hanoi hotel recently?
How is it and is it possible to bring a girl from the disco to your room without any hassle?
Same question for Fortuna hotel?
Thanks
To add to my previous questionhas anyone stayed at the Daewoo lately and been able to bring back a girl without problem?
Last time Iwas there ( 2 montsh ago) no girl would follow me to my room there.they said the new manager forbade it
Fortuna is girlfriendly as long as you bring the girls from their KTV.
Hi,
Has anyone stayed at the Hanoi hotel recently?
How is it and is it possible to bring a girl from the disco to your room without any hassle?
Same question for Fortuna hotel?
Thanks
Asia Rocks
01-08-06, 14:56
Guys,
Will be in Hanoi during the week after next staying at Metropole. In the past, in-room massages (ie. FS) for males was not permitted which I just accepted and, because I stay there a lot and am relatively well-known within the hotel, I did not press the issue.
Anybody have any recent experience with prospects for in-room massage service?
Many thanks, AR
Autumn Lover
01-15-06, 00:56
Does anybody know if a hj (or more) is available with massage in the Sheraton? Staying there soon, but time limited and accompanying people.
AL
I just got back from spending 2 weeks in north Vietnam. hanging around Hanoi, Cat Ba, and Halong. beautiful, though I prefer the South.
I stayed at the Majestic salute. Thry have the second floor devoted to MP. Went in for a massage, cost 10$. The girl offered a HJ for 50 US$ !!!
I declined. Since there is nothing much other than flames in the previous 4 to 5 pages, it is difficult to get useful information. But I thought her asking price was a bit steep !
You made a right decision to declined the $50usd HJ. i said $20usd is max for HJ, if the girl is nice and pleased with the services, i can go for $30usd. For me HN is i like better, the city is old, quiet, not noisy like modern SG. Have fun in VN and play safe.
Does anybody know if a hj (or more) is available with massage in the Sheraton? Staying there soon, but time limited and accompanying people.
AL
Yes I believe that they do offer extra but depending on your girl. They got a bar that's open's later. One of the few in the city.....
I was in hanoi in August.
The best place to find very beautifull young girls is the "new century disco" upstairs and downstairs, some girls are sitting near the bar, easy to recognise them, I paid 40 usd, some rates 9'
Elsewhere not many things to do in the night, some HJ in massage parlors at hotel dan chu!
Lolo
Tom Teodor
02-27-06, 11:16
Hello,
I am new to this forum. For the time I am living in Thailand, And have a internettcafe business. I wanted for a long time to go to vietnam and now I been able to save up some cash to go. But the problem is that I don't have time or money to stay more than a week or to. So alittle background info would be realy nice. I think I will be going to hanoi. What I wonder about is, how is the bargirl sceen compare with thailad like? is there at all some place to go for meeting some female company. Karaoke bars or brothel. I read that prostitution is illegal in vietnam. So alittle info about place to go would be nice. And also maybe some info about price.
Thanks alot in advance.
Tom
Tom Teodor
02-27-06, 12:03
I was in hanoi in August.
The best place to find very beautifull young girls is the "new century disco" upstairs and downstairs, some girls are sitting near the bar, easy to recognise them, I paid 40 usd, some rates 9'
Elsewhere not many things to do in the night, some HJ in massage parlors at hotel dan chu!
LoloHello,
I never been to Vietnam before. Is there anyone who have some tips where I can catch up with girls? for the time I am living in thailand. How is the sceen compare with thailand? prices? Are there bars \ karaoke places, or do I have to go to brothels?
Asia Rocks
02-28-06, 02:36
Go to New Century Nightclub and stand still for 30 seconds. Your date will find you. It will probably cost you $50.00, although she may start at $100.00.
Cheers AR
I never been to Vietnam before. Is there anyone who have some tips where I can catch up with girls? for the time I am living in thailand. How is the sceen compare with thailand? prices? Are there bars \ karaoke places, or do I have to go to brothels?[/QUOTE]
Quiet American
03-07-06, 15:49
Hello hello. I'm new to this site and I live in Hanoi (anyone want to show me the ropes drop me a line). I'm looking for some good looking girls in Hanoi that are at discreet places i can go. I'm working in Hanoi and will be here for about a year. If you guys have some massage parlors to recommend which offer more than a HJ i would appreciate it. Also the club scene, NC is full of dicks and the girls are ok how are the other places. Thanks for the hook up and drop me a line if you live here too. QA
You can't compare between the two cities. BKK is a mongering city. Hanoi isn't and likely wont be for a long time. Don't come to Hanoi expecting to get layed like you would in BKK. Just helping you out so you don't get dissapointed. There are HC, massage parlors, KTV's and niteclubs with girls. But nothing like BKK. Hotels are not always girl friendly. Ask before you check in. If you find a girl, you can go to the ST hotel, get the girl to use her ID to get the room. Good Luck!
OldAsiaHand
03-17-06, 16:54
Gentlemen,
Does anybody know if this hotel is girl friendly? Thanks.
OAH
I'm thinking of trying out these drugs while on a trip to Vietnam in April. Can anyone tell me if they are all easily available in Hanoi? I've heard that they, or safe generics made in India, can be bought at any pharmacy in Bangkok.
Hanoi too?
Thanks and I'll provide a report.
Asia Rocks
03-21-06, 02:13
I'm thinking of trying out these drugs while on a trip to Vietnam in April. Can anyone tell me if they are all easily available in Hanoi? I've heard that they, or safe generics made in India, can be bought at any pharmacy in Bangkok.
Hanoi too?
Thanks and I'll provide a report.
Yhere is a pharmacy at 48 Hai Ba Trung Street where you can buy legit Viagra for VND100,000 per pill, about $6.00. You will probaly have to wait 20 or 30 minutes for a motobike run to the source. They have local stuff immediately available, one of which I used once and it worked fine.
Cheers, AR
I was in Hanoi last week for business. I stayed at Heritage Hotel which is a 3-star hotel. There is a health centre at the 5th Floor which cost you USD10 for an hour of body massage and USD5 for a foot massage. All the girls there are very young and does not speak English. HJ is USD5 - 10, negotiable. Overall, not recommended.
If you want a better clean massage, try Majestic Salute down town near to Sword Lake. Here you get pleasant ML, clean environment, SPA facilities at USD10 an hour massage. Sorry, no HJ here.
If money is not your concern, go to Hanoi Karaoke at Hanoi Hotel. There, you find 100+ girls parading for you to choose (if you like fat girls, then sorry for you this is not the place), to sit with you and drink, sing songs and rub, rub, as well. The damage here for the booking is USD7 an hour. The room is free if you ordered drinks exceeding USD90.
Here, the WL will ask you to book her out for a F**K. ST=USD60 and LT=USD80. If you leave before 12.30 am, you have to pay for the bookings as well. If you stay at Hanoi Hotel, then no problem. Most of the hotels in Hanoi are not Girl-friendly, but your girl will be able to bring you to a hotel (on her motorbike) which cost about USD10.
Overall, Hanoi is not a very good place to enjoy with girls, however, you can try some pick-ups at New Century Disco, but be careful.
Tew
OldAsiaHand
03-26-06, 06:39
I will answer my own question here and the answer is no. Evidently, the only girl friendly 5 star hotel in Hanoi at the moment is the Hilton. According to some friends in the hospitality industry, the government has been pretty tough on this lately. I did manage to get one girl into my room at the Melia in the morning. She came with a couple of notebooks pretending to be my translator. I came down to the lobby to fetch her and escort her up to my room. I met her in Nutz at the Sheraton the night before. There were around 10-12 pros/semi-pros in the bar, but most were not that great looking. The one I did gave excellent GFE service.
OAH
Gentlemen,
Does anybody know if this hotel is girl friendly? Thanks.
OAH
Yhere is a pharmacy at 48 Hai Ba Trung Street where you can buy legit Viagra for VND100,000 per pill, about $6.00. You will probaly have to wait 20 or 30 minutes for a motobike run to the source. They have local stuff immediately available, one of which I used once and it worked fine.
Cheers, ARThanks, AR. I'll let you know how it works out.
SO cheap (the real V is a marketing ripoff IMHO) too-less than $1 for 50mg tablet. I only know 1 guy who CLAIMS to be able to tell the difference (says he gets heartburn from anything besides the Pfizer product). Write out "Sildenafil" (the active ingredient) on a piece of paper (the pharmacists use the English chemical and product names).
Ditto for antibiotics. A good idea for those who bareback-no lectures please- is to buy 2000mgs of Zithromax (Azithromyacin) and take it all in one dose on your way home "just in case" (tip from a doctor friend).
On another note, just today researchers announced initial success in trials of a drug cocktail that PREVENTS hiv transmission. Do a google search (don't want to repost the whole article here)
Horn Dog 2
04-02-06, 19:59
[QUOTE=Silly Puppy]
There is no web site such as vietsingles. Com IIRC that I ever discussed. I remember we talked about Vietfun. Org and its chatrooms. Here it is, anyone who think they can get a girl from these rooms please go ahead and make my day. http: //www. Vietfun. Com/cgi-bin/chat. Cgi. The success rate is close to zero. If someone claims he got a girl/freebie from this chatroom without knowing how to write Vietnamese I basically ignore the liar.
I have been on Vietfun. Com for just over one month. I can not read or write Vietnamense. I posted some pictures and completed my profile. I use a manual-Tieng Viet Vietnamese for Foreigners to translate the incoming and outgoing emails. Chao Em! Co khoe khong? (Hello young sister, how are U? ) I emailed 4 or 5 ladies and got backed a few replies. Now, instead of me emailing the babes, now, there is two or three new babes emailing me every week. Too many, I am getting tire of replying. One of the original girls-23 years old, very beautiful, wants to get married. Sure. Without seeing each other in person. I write to her in Vietnamese- you beautiful young girl, me, a old man. She replies with a long letter. I guess she wants a better life with a sugar daddy. Sorry girl, you are much younger than me, but you would look good waking up next to me to in the morning. The one I am interested in is a single mother, about my age and but looks 15 years younger. She is a woman next door type, very beautiful with the slim Vietnamese body and the dyed blond hair look. I am even more interested in her after she ask me to find a younger, more beautiful woman. After spending hours translating her longer letters, I finally asked my Vietnamese friend to translate-100 dongs per word. She wants to drive me around to see her city when I visit next time. How can I say NO to wrapping my hands around her waist? I can not wait!
Horn Dog No More?
Horn Dog 2,
Just for your consideration, I submit the following. A few years ago I concluded a divorce from my wife of 25 years. I had married this girl in 1971 while I was a young solder in Vietnam. It was as amicable a divorce I think as can be wished for.
To be honest, I can say that she was in many ways an ideal wife. After a few years of living alone I contemplated remarrying. I naturally considered finding a new wife in the same place I had found and married the first one. A Vietnamese woman (call her Ba) in the town where I live had a son who had recently married a young girl from Ba's home village in Vietnam. She knew of my interest in finding a Viet bride and to make a long story short, she sort of brokered what turned out to be an engagement with a woman from her village. The woman from her village was about 15 years my junior.
To my American mind, I intended the visit as a way to revisit Vietnam and exorcise some of the demons which had haunted me since my service there. I was of course also interested in investigating this woman, call her Xuyen.
However to Xuyen and to Ba and to everyone else in the village, this was a done deal. They put on a big meal and the woman went back to Saigon with me and stayed in the hotel (along with a younger cousin who came along as a chaperone). We stayed in separate rooms to ensure there were no shenanigans.
Once again, in the interest of brevity, let's just say that I decided against marrying this woman. But for a long time she sent me heart-wrenching letters begging me to reconsider. By my actions I disgraced Xuyen and shamed her in the eyes of her village. Ba, the woman who lives here, no longer talks to me and I've made enemies of everyone concerned.
So the moral of the story is that telling a Vietnamese woman that you intend (however superficially) to marry her is in itself a very serious committment. I'm sure you'll do as you please, but I just thought that you should hear my story.
Good luck to you and to the Viet girl.
Lex
Horn Dog 2
04-05-06, 06:06
So the moral of the story is that telling a Vietnamese woman that you intend (however superficially) to marry her is in itself a very serious committment. I'm sure you'll do as you please, but I just thought that you should hear my story.
Good luck to you and to the Viet girl.
Lex[/QUOTE]Hi Lex,
Thanks for your advice! I was just being sarcasm when I was talking about the pretty 23 years old Viet babe. I actually told her that she was young and beautiful and I was a old fart-over 40. She replied with a long letter stating her intention to marry a older man. I guess like alot of SE Asian woman, they will just about do anything to leave their country.
The beautiful 40 year old (who looks 25) is the one I am interested in. After more than a few lengthy emails, she said that she feels that she is not qualified to be the woman in my life after she told me the story of her life. A single mother, she had a tought time raising her son after her husband left her. She did not want to get hurt again. She ask me to find a younger more beautiful woman to be friends with. That kind of renewed my interest in her since she was more caring about me than herself or a little low in self-esteem. I think we have alot in common. We decided to give it time and see what happens. She said Love is not a game. I will see her later this year. Viva Vietnam.
Lex, I am sorry that it did not work out for you. I think you were kind of rushed into it by her friend and family. Wishing you the best now and in the future.
I visited Vietnam twice in the last couple of years, the Vietnamese has gradulated from bicycles to motor scooter and cars, their per capitia income is still among the lowest in SE Asia.
There is still reminders of the previous wars in Vietnam- I saw a young lady selling lottery tickets in Saigon, she had no arms, a photo in the newspaper the other day-showed a young woman in Hanoi with eyeballs that were five times larger than the average eyeballs. I might have suffer a broken heart in the past, but these ladies will never experience falling in love.
If you want a better clean massage, try Majestic Salute down town near to Sword Lake. Here you get pleasant ML, clean environment, SPA facilities at USD10 an hour massage. Sorry, no HJ here.
Went to the Majestic Salute the other nice. It is a decent spot, although overpriced at $10 an hour. HJ most certainly on the menu, and the gal was cute. Asked 200, 000 dong, came down to 100, 000 without too much fuss ($6). Went prowling the other day, searching out almost all the places listed in the last few years of posts here. There has definitely been a crackdown. Most of the places listed were either wrong or else not there, or in some cases, replaced (ie cat toc shop replaced by a fancier hair salon which didn't seem to have possibilities). Have not been over to Quang Ba yet nor to Century. Tons of massage/sauna places everywhere, and all are the same. Went to the place across from the Hilton today. $6 an hour (no longer 2 hours), plus the same for finish with a cute gal. Problem with all the massage places is that they have open windows and the gals are paranoid about being seen. At best, you can get your hand in their panties and inside of them, but it's definitely all under wraps, and nothing further than HJ's. Hanoi a fun place though, gotta love the Bia Hoi microbreweries. At 25 cents a pint, not too hard to get smashed!
Hello Horn Dog 2,
I don't want to dwell on it, but your comment hit home for me. For all the pleasures that Vietnam offers, and for all the attractivess and charm of its people (the ladies!), the fact is that the country was devastated by what they call the American War. We don't often see any signs of it when we visit there, but we killed nearly 3 million Vietnamese and more bombs were dropped on Vietnam than on Germany in all of WW2. Not to mention the Agent Orange. Every family there must have suffered in some way. I'm a vet myself, so maybe I'm more aware of that history. Anyway, this isn't a history forum, so I'll stop now. But knowing that history makes me appreciate even more the beauty and grace of so many of the VN gals that I've seen. I keep going back!
There is still reminders of the previous wars in Vietnam- I saw a young lady selling lottery tickets in Saigon, she had no arms, a photo in the newspaper the other day-showed a young woman in Hanoi with eyeballs that were five times larger than the average eyeballs. I might have suffer a broken heart in the past, but these ladies will never experience falling in love.
Silly Puppy
04-10-06, 19:56
I have been on Vietfun. Com for just over one month. I can not read or write Vietnamense. I posted some pictures and completed my profile. I use a manual-Tieng Viet Vietnamese for Foreigners to translate the incoming and outgoing emails. Chao Em! Co khoe khong? (Hello young sister, how are U? ) I emailed 4 or 5 ladies and got backed a few replies. Now, instead of me emailing the babes, now, there is two or three new babes emailing me every week. Too many, I am getting tire of replying. One of the original girls-23 years old, very beautiful, wants to get married. Sure. Without seeing each other in person. I write to her in Vietnamese- you beautiful young girl, me, a old man. She replies with a long letter. I guess she wants a better life with a sugar daddy. Sorry girl, you are much younger than me, but you would look good waking up next to me to in the morning. The one I am interested in is a single mother, about my age and but looks 15 years younger. She is a woman next door type, very beautiful with the slim Vietnamese body and the dyed blond hair look. I am even more interested in her after she ask me to find a younger, more beautiful woman. After spending hours translating her longer letters, I finally asked my Vietnamese friend to translate-100 dongs per word. She wants to drive me around to see her city when I visit next time. How can I say NO to wrapping my hands around her waist? I can not wait!
Whoa! That was a lot of work you've done and you deserve the reward (?). There are MANY girls like these in Vietnam who when smell American will rush forward to devour them. Many Caucasian take advantage of this fact of being a much-after-looking-for hunter (or the hunted?) and guess what the succesful rate is still zero. Let's define what successful rate is. To me successful rate means you score a girl free if you are a real monger or get into a good relationship if you are looking for love. I'e heard so many stories about Viet ex-prostitutes trying to lure American into marriage. Keep in mind the ticket to get out of VN is now around $50000. If they can score 1 out of 100 they'd go for it. It is no surprise to see you've received so many responses even you and the girls are either broken Vietnamese or English.
So the girls you are going to meet are either too ugly/old to find a Viet boy friend or $hore/ex$hore who are looking for a free ticket to leave. You'd be lucky to find a decent one. But the better chance is to go there and get acquainted to someone you can trust. Have him/her introduce you a nice one. On Vietfun, if you think they are after you because you are a handsome, intelligent species, funny educated type of guy, ... then you should be ready for a big surprise when you are in the country. I've seen so many Caucasian guys married Viet $*****s only to discover the sad reality too late. One young guy (a very timid Caucasian who is afraid of his own race) I know married this Viet girl and she left him a month later. He'd spent all his fortune for her family before the marriage. She called him again a year later and told him she still loved him. He knew she made a mistake by leaving him too soon, didn't wait for a 2-year period to pass before she could divorve him so she could continue living in US. But not all Viet girls are stupid like this one.
Now you Caucasian guys know you are hot just like I know I am the subject of "love" from many Viet girls. I can say this without boasting too much, with my current profession and income I can score ANY Viet girl I want to. Should I risk my family for them? the answer is a big NO. In your case, if you are single and have a lot of time I'd recommend to look for a girl your own race. If you love Viet girl so much then spend more time in the country, learn its custom, people, the girl's family, very very well before commit anything. If you are looking for freebie, Vietfun is not the right place. There are MANY other ways thru Internet to get these gold diggers.
Horn Dog 2
04-11-06, 05:36
Whoa! That was a lot of work you've done and you deserve the reward (?). There are MANY girls like these in Vietnam who when smell American will rush forward to devour them. Many Caucasian take advantage of this fact of being a much-after-looking-for hunter (or the hunted?) and guess what the succesful rate is still zero. Let's define what successful rate is. To me successful rate means you score a girl free if you are a real monger or get into a good relationship if you are looking for love. I'e heard so many stories about Viet ex-prostitutes trying to lure American into marriage. Keep in mind the ticket to get out of VN is now around $50000. If they can score 1 out of 100 they'd go for it. It is no surprise to see you've received so many responses even you and the girls are either broken Vietnamese or English.
So the girls you are going to meet are either too ugly/old to find a Viet boy friend or $hore/ex$hore who are looking for a free ticket to leave. You'd be lucky to find a decent one. But the better chance is to go there and get acquainted to someone you can trust. Have him/her introduce you a nice one. On Vietfun, if you think they are after you because you are a handsome, intelligent species, funny educated type of guy, ... then you should be ready for a big surprise when you are in the country. I've seen so many Caucasian guys married Viet $*****s only to discover the sad reality too late. One young guy (a very timid Caucasian who is afraid of his own race) I know married this Viet girl and she left him a month later. He'd spent all his fortune for her family before the marriage. She called him again a year later and told him she still loved him. He knew she made a mistake by leaving him too soon, didn't wait for a 2-year period to pass before she could divorve him so she could continue living in US. But not all Viet girls are stupid like this one.
Now you Caucasian guys know you are hot just like I know I am the subject of "love" from many Viet girls. I can say this without boasting too much, with my current profession and income I can score ANY Viet girl I want to. Should I risk my family for them? the answer is a big NO. In your case, if you are single and have a lot of time I'd recommend to look for a girl your own race. If you love Viet girl so much then spend more time in the country, learn its custom, people, the girl's family, very very well before commit anything. If you are looking for freebie, Vietfun is not the right place. There are MANY other ways thru Internet to get these gold diggers.Thanks Silly Puppy, FW190 and Lex for your comments. I am well aware of the stories of SE women wanting to catch a foreign man. They have heard from family and friends about the greener pasture on the other side of the ocean. I think most woman in Asia want to leave for a better life? But, I think for every working girl that is trying to trap you, there is probably twice as much normal girls that are also interested in you. I agree with you saying you must spent time knowing the culture, the customs, the woman and her family. Learning Vietnamese will help. My Viet Kieu friend is going back for business and will check her out for me. I will visit her later this year. As a single guy, I like mongering but I think we all want for a partner, a beautiful girl-next-door type that knows how to treat a man. Time will tell if I will get my reward. If not, it will be tough going back being a monger. :)
Being Asian-Canadian, I grew up in a small town with Caucasian friends. It was paradise seeing all the slim, pretty Asian Vietnamense babes on the scooters-no cars hiding their bodies. I wish I visited Asia more often in the last 20 years. It was flattering but a little uncomfortable in Saigon when babes look as us knowing we were foreigners, since we were bigger, no tan (asian) than the average Viet male. I can not want until I broad the plane and 21 hours later, Tatu will say..hey boss, it's the plane, the plane....
Stinger 100
04-15-06, 14:26
Hanoi Report:
Stopped in a small town about half hour from Hanoi. I wish I could remember the name. A small resort hotel built like a Chinese temple, with girls for 20$ ST including the room. The best value and close to a GFE. Does anybody know the place?
OAHThis is an old post, but does anyone know where this place is?
How would you guys rate Hanoi out of 10 !!! is it better than Saigon ?
How would you guys rate Hanoi out of 10 !!! is it better than Saigon ?Sorta depends on what you want. Hanoi is a prettier city with more charm than Saigon. Saigon nightlife is more plentiful and easier to navigate.
Opinions vary on the respective talents and looks of the girls.
By the way, Patterson, I took the liberty of browsing through your other posts on various boards. Almost all, like this one, were single line requests for information with virtually nothing given in return. If you have any experience in Southeast Asia, some of us might like to hear it.
still can't say I'm impressed with the north as a mongering spot. If you can speak Vietnamese, probably can do very well, but otherwise you are at the mercy of moto drivers or just putting yourself out there. Found a Cat Toc place near the Green Hotel the other day where they beckoned me in. Told me 100, 00, which I assumed was for a HJ. Should have known it was for the mamasan. Probably more like 40, 000 would have been right. The gal was cute enough, gave me a HJ, I gave her 100, 000, she didn't seem to want to negotiate FS. The massage places are fun, but no FS due to the windows and fear factor, different from experiences I've had in the south. Haven't bothered with New Century or any of the bars yet, nor paid a visit to Quang Ba. Anyone else with some info or hints to share? Hanoi is a fun, place, and you wont be a loner, but do not come expecting Thailand, Cambodia, or HCM for that matter.
[QUOTE=Co Van My]Sorta depends on what you want. Hanoi is a prettier city with more charm than Saigon. Saigon nightlife is more plentiful and easier to navigate.
I've been in Hanoi for a few days, and I can say with certainty that the authorities have cooled off the pay for play, at least compared to what others described a while ago. They've shut down most of the cat toc (or is it hot toc, always forget) in the tourist areas or forced them to become totally legit. They continue to exist, as per usual, in the outlying areas and provinces, but in tourist areas, mostly not.
Instead, there are now a number of brightly advertised "Massage" places. These places do not offer hanky panky as a matter of course, though certain girls will sneak a hj and allow a feel. The difficulty is that the rooms in these mps have big windows and the bosses actually check on how things are proceeding. One girl wanted to give me a HJ out of the goodness of her heart, but kept staring out the window nervously the whole time.
The upside of these Massage places is that, because they try to be legit, they attract some super-cute virgins who are students and it can be really fun to flirt with them, even if nothing happens. At least I enjoy it. I know, if I were just staying a little longer, I might work out a delicious arrangement with at least two really adorable girls who have taken a shine to me. These are girls who are just trying to pay their school expenses in a country that remains extremely poor. I'm not actually sure I would bang them -- because they'd end up really hurt if I didn't become "the boyfriend" or marry them and take them abroad. Yes, I'm a softie. I enjoy pay for play as much as anyone, but I don't want to hurt any of these girls, especially the legit ones, by playing emotional games....But oh it's tempting.
I haven't checked out the Fortuna bar girl scene. I assume that scene (and the massage in the high end hotel scene) continue as always. I don't see how the authorities could shut it down (too bothersome to the visiting businessmen) and it's carefully watched over. Never really enjoyed that aspect of Vietnam play that much. Prefer the more legit or, in fact, entirely legit girls.
Try the places around the corner from the Green Hotel, a bit more than usual offered. Also, the place near the Hilton is decent, but you are right overall. Must say, I did come across a massage place in a hotel in Ha Giang province up north that actually had locks on the door and curtained windows. Needless to say, FS was on the menu. I offered 200, 000 dong ($12. 50) after the deed, and was met with nothing but smiles. Nice to find a refreshing and hassle free spot.[QUOTE=Tempter]I've been in Hanoi for a few days, and I can say with certainty that the authorities have cooled off the pay for play, at least compared to what others described a while ago. They've shut down most of the cat toc (or is it hot toc, always forget) in the tourist areas or forced them to become totally legit. They continue to exist, as per usual, in the outlying areas and provinces, but in tourist areas, mostly not.
Instead, there are now a number of brightly advertised "Massage" places. These places do not offer hanky panky as a matter of course, though certain girls will sneak a hj and allow a feel. The difficulty is that the rooms in these mps have big windows and the bosses actually check on how things are proceeding. One girl wanted to give me a HJ out of the goodness of her heart, but kept staring out the window nervously the whole time.
I am a man of few words my friend i ask a question if i get a answer i am pleased !!!
If you look you will see i have posted some replys but it seems pointless posting something that somebody else as already said as happens so many times ;)
Horny Toad
05-15-06, 09:15
Anyone currently in town for the next few weeks? Where's a good girlfriendly hotel?
Anyone currently in town for the next few weeks? Where's a good girlfriendly hotel?Don't waste your time in Hanoi, head out to Haiphong and then Do Son beach resort, which is kind of like a Vietnamese Pattaya...tons of young stunners, no attitude, going rate 100,000 dong for the gal.
Stinger 100
05-21-06, 17:32
There's not much info on this forum - Hanoi can't be that dead!
I know a few Cat Tocs. There are 2 on Nghi Tam Rd near to the Sofitel. Walk along the side road and they are on the left. 2nd one friendlier than the first. 100K to the girl, 50k to the owner.
A lot near Pho Hue. 2 on Pham Thi Xuan, way down, one on the left and one on the right. A good one on the parallel road (Tran Viet Vuong?). Keep going down and it's on the right - has a blue sign. It's called Emperor and has some cute girls in there. 100k girl, 100k door.
Another near the Sunway Hotel near Lo Duc. Go out the hotel, turn right and it is at the first corner. There's a girl in there who could suck a golfball through a hose - don't know her name but she's from Saigon.
Most have black windows and Cat Toc Nam on the sign. All are blow job places and cheap. Enjoy.
Horny Toad
05-22-06, 01:51
Where are the girlfriendly hotels?
There's not much info on this forum - Hanoi can't be that dead!
I know a few Cat Tocs. There are 2 on Nghi Tam Rd near to the Sofitel. Walk along the side road and they are on the left. 2nd one friendlier than the first. 100K to the girl, 50k to the owner.
A lot near Pho Hue. 2 on Pham Thi Xuan, way down, one on the left and one on the right. A good one on the parallel road (Tran Viet Vuong?). Keep going down and it's on the right - has a blue sign. It's called Emperor and has some cute girls in there. 100k girl, 100k door.
Another near the Sunway Hotel near Lo Duc. Go out the hotel, turn right and it is at the first corner. There's a girl in there who could suck a golfball through a hose - don't know her name but she's from Saigon.
Most have black windows and Cat Toc Nam on the sign. All are blow job places and cheap. Enjoy.
Stinger 100
05-22-06, 05:05
Don't waste your time in Hanoi, head out to Haiphong and then Do Son beach resort, which is kind of like a Vietnamese Pattaya...tons of young stunners, no attitude, going rate 100,000 dong for the gal.What's the scene out there then, Oldian? Can't imagine it being bars in the north - is it Karaoke or massage joints?
Not sure about the hotels Horny Toad... Imagine that the girls would know one and would want to go there. Be careful though, have heard rip-offs where there's a phonecall about 10 mins after getting in the room and then the girl says the police are coming. Also a million phone-nicking stories - not ideal mongering in HN.
Where are the girlfriendly hotels?My impression is that the peoples committee have Hanoi well under control. There are some tarts at the New Century disco but that seemed to be it.
In general in Vietnam the big hotels are not girl freindly and you need to find a small place with less than 30 rooms.
Haiphong sounds good to me!
Silly Puppy
05-23-06, 19:27
If you just come to hai Phong for fucking purpose then it is a waste of time and money IMHO. I don't know if there is anything interesting in Hai Phong to see beside the fact that it is a port area for export. If you are a stranger, going to HP is asking for trouble as this town is notorious for tough guys who are always eager to prove their brawniness on strangers. A majority of Viet drug dealers in Canada and US are originally from Hai Phong. Be careful! Let your brain think instead of your dick.
[QUOTE=Stinger 100]What's the scene out there then, Oldian? Can't imagine it being bars in the north - is it Karaoke or massage joints?
In Do Son, there are tons of massage and karaoke, but seems to me that the karaoke was without karaoke, basically just rooms and ladies available. I can give you the name of one place in particular in Don Son if you'd like. They'll be thrilled to see another foreigner. These guys were great to me. 18-21 year old stunners day after day after day with absolutely ZERO attitude and great fun. At 100,000 dong a go and no hassles. I prefer to stay in Haiphong for the amenities, and go out to Do Son (bus 4000 dong every 20 minutes or so, runs pretty late too) for fun, but Do Son does have plenty of hotels and good seafood. I also found Cat Ba in Halong Bay to be pretty good. Tons of karaoke places. Locals pay 70,000 dong, foreigners can pay 150,000 if they know the price.
If you just come to hai Phong for fucking purpose then it is a waste of time and money IMHO. I don't know if there is anything interesting in Hai Phong to see beside the fact that it is a port area for export. If you are a stranger, going to HP is asking for trouble as this town is notorious for tough guys who are always eager to prove their brawniness on strangers. A majority of Viet drug dealers in Canada and US are originally from Hai Phong. Be careful! Let your brain think instead of your dick.Yeah, I wouldn't come to Haiphong just for sex, but after several months in Vietnam, I'd live in Haiphong over anywhere else in the country. Good food, great cafes and beer hoi, very relaxed, fantastic people, more English spoken than elsewhere, in two weeks in Haiphong had absolutely zero hassles or ripoffs. Maybe all the riffraff have gone overseas! There are 5 or more universities in Haiphong which may explain the large number of beautiful women, decent english speakers, or open attitudes I found everywhere. At least in the center of the city, couldn't have felt safer and with a greater group of people than in Haiphong. The city has an air of prosperity not found elsewhere in Vietnam, and as there are almost no tourists, there aren't the usual scam heads and other lowlife to deal with. There are a few sleazy moto drivers who hang out downtown, try to get you girls every night, they are mostly harmless. Once they knew I could get girls in Do Son every day for 100,000 dong, they cut their crap and dropped prices.
Silly Puppy
05-25-06, 03:28
Are you Vietkieu? You sound like one. I bet there are many girls like you said. Just like you go to China's rural areas - same situation applies- without the language barrier one can be at ease and find cheap fuck relatively simple.
Are you Vietkieu? You sound like one. I bet there are many girls like you said. Just like you go to China's rural areas - same situation applies- without the language barrier one can be at ease and find cheap fuck relatively simple.No, I am as white boy as they come. I just have a penchant for getting off the beaten path and paying local prices. I live in Thailand and have a ton of Asia experience, so I suppose I have good street sense, price sensibilities, and know how to avoid trouble. Looking forward to going to Yunnan in the fall.
Can you get a visa on arrival here ?
Im a Brit who will travel from Thailand !!!
Can you get a visa on arrival here ?
Im a Brit who will travel from Thailand !!!
It takes about 2 days and US$60 to get a visa.
Spent 2 days in Hanoi for work, Horizon hotel stay, very good value for money in the 5* range. City's dead after 10pm. Only New Century disco is rocking, went in around 10pm, was packed. About a dozen of freelancers upstairs not too puchy but not too great either.
The Massage place opposite to Hilton (reported before) has friendly staff, massage for less than 10USD, add another 250K Dong and can neg two (!) BJs, one to start with to calm things down for the massage and one at the end to conclude. nice.
Decided to try the place across from the HIlton based on past reports. Easy to find - it's almost directly across from front door of Hilton.
Clearly a HJ is on the ticket. But I couldn't negotiate anything more - BJ was definitely not on the menu with my girl tonight! And the massage was about the worst I have received anywhere in the world. Way too much pressure and everytime I asked her to tone it down, that lasted about 3 minutes, and then we were back to massaging a horse. Bent digits back too far and the like. When this heavy girl offered to walk on my back I said definitely no thank you to that one. I also declined her HJ, as her skills at everything else were so slim that I had no reason to think it would do anything but turn me off. After she just ab out massaged the skin off my face, I got up and ended the massage a few minutes early. She pretty much demanded a tip, which I was in no mood to give.
Probably the experience varies froim girl to girl and with better language skills than I have in Vietnamese. (Me- none). But if you find yourself with a short smily chubby girl from HCMC, you might want to check into switching to another!
Picky Dicky
06-19-06, 12:42
Does anyone know of the action across the Fortuna Hotel, namely, Oasis Sauna? Price, performance, quality, system?
Picky Dicky
06-19-06, 16:04
Instead of waiting for comments and reports, I decide to check this place out. It is located right across the Fortuna Hotel..can't miss it.
Place is relatively clean (somewhat upscale for Hanoi), with rooms separated into VIP or regular rooms. VIP rooms go for $25 per 1.5 hr, while the regular rooms are $12 per 1 hr. Besides difference in time, VIP rooms feature in-room jacuzzi, steam bath and massage bed, while the regular rooms only feature a massage bed. Needless to say, with the facilities installed, VIP rooms offer value-added services such as having the masseuse bathe you - but I wonder if having her rub clean your shlong was worth the $13 difference. Long story short, I was there at 7:30pm, and there were around 45 girls to choose from (quite a bit, huh?). I'd have to say the quality of masseuse were all above a score of 6 out of 10, and a few I thought were 8s or close to 9s (Fair skinned, tall, balanced figures, slim-long legs, better than average face) No FS was offered, but the No.30 that I had gave an extremely well-techniqued HJ after an hour+ of good massage. Damage: VND 150k for the girl as tips and $25 for the room. Bottom line: I'd recommend it to fellow mongers looking for attractive women to give nothing more but a good HJ.
Hi guys,
I will be travelling to Hanoi for the first time in a couple of weeks. I've RTFF and there doesn't seem to be much info on GF hotels. There was a post that the Hilton is the only 5* that is GF? Has anyone stayed there lately and found it ok to bring back lady or ladies? Is it possible to check in to a good hotel with a VN girl? Any help would be much appreciated.
Given that internet server activity in Vietnam is monitored by the government, at least sporadically, have any users encountered a problem with accessing ISG inside the country? Advice from users living in Vietnam would be particularly welcome.
Member #3409
07-03-06, 12:13
Hi guys,
I will be travelling to Hanoi for the first time in a couple of weeks. I've RTFF and there doesn't seem to be much info on GF hotels. There was a post that the Hilton is the only 5* that is GF? Has anyone stayed there lately and found it ok to bring back lady or ladies? Is it possible to check in to a good hotel with a VN girl? Any help would be much appreciated.
Stayed at the Hilton about 9 months ago, and no not GF friendly. I had a girl drop me off one evening after dinner and I was as sick as a dog and she was scared even to take me to the lifts, but would not enter.
I have also stayed at the Melia and my girl reckoned it was ok for her to be there, but only until midnight, although think that was a load of BS, think she had a boyfriend to get back too. Have also stayed at the Daewoo and by all accounts the only girls they would let to your room were the ones from Club Q downstairs. Last time I stayed at the Daewoo the the girl I meet in Club Q (actually the same girl I spoke about in the Melia and Hilton) wouldn't come to my room and I had to take her to a short time hotel.
Vietnam isn't the most GF friendly place, especially at the 4*+ end of things.
Thanks JC,
First time in Hanoi so appreciate the information. Will post a report on our experience in Hanoi.
OldAsiaHand
07-10-06, 15:12
I stayed at the Melia a few months back and it was definitely not GF. (See previous post)
The Daewoo used to be GF about a year or so ago, but they changed the policy due to government pressure.
I have never stayed at the Hilton.
Hi guys,
I will be travelling to Hanoi for the first time in a couple of weeks. I've RTFF and there doesn't seem to be much info on GF hotels. There was a post that the Hilton is the only 5* that is GF? Has anyone stayed there lately and found it ok to bring back lady or ladies? Is it possible to check in to a good hotel with a VN girl? Any help would be much appreciated.
Traveler1234
07-10-06, 15:24
Have only been to HCMC a few times but my sense is that most 4 and 5 star hotels are NOT GF. Yes, mongers have sneaked girls up at times but the general rule is no.
The few times I visited, made extra effort to get GF hotels and avoid the hassle of having the girl turned away by security.
Many of the girls, including mamasan are reluctant for house calls unless they know the hotel, which are usually 3 stars or less. One of them told me that if they're caught, they get sent to the country for 1 yr to work in the fields (??).
Anything better than a 3 star hotel in Hanoi or HCMC will not be girl friendly although you may find a way to smuggle the girl in.
There are a lot of clean small hotels in both cities that are in the $25 per night range and these hotels will normally let you bring the girl in although they will keep her ID until she leaves.
I find using these hotels preferable to the short time hotels the mamas and girls push.
If I have business meeting I choose one near a five star hotel and meet people in the lobby or restaurants. No-one knows the difference.
Hi guys,
I will be travelling to Hanoi for the first time in a couple of weeks. I've RTFF and there doesn't seem to be much info on GF hotels. There was a post that the Hilton is the only 5* that is GF? Has anyone stayed there lately and found it ok to bring back lady or ladies? Is it possible to check in to a good hotel with a VN girl? Any help would be much appreciated.
WindWalker
07-11-06, 08:37
Was in Hanoi over the weekend. Wasn't planning on exchanging local currency as I didn't think I would have the time to go out.
One night, couldn't sleep so walked out of the hotel. Only had plan on working up a sweat then go to sleep, but was pestered by this tricycle guy who wouldn't leave me along. His English was very poor. I said I don't have Vietname money nor US dollar. He said Ok, Ok, no problem, massage. I was like, whadda hell, how bad could it be? I was sleepless anyway.
Off I went with him and began a horrible experience in Hanoi. He peddled me far away from my hotel, about 20 min, to a place that has Sauna/Massage sign outside. Along the way, I saw many signs, didn't know why he insisted on this particular one. Once inside, the girls examined the currency I carried for a long time, they took what's equivalent of $6 US and sent me off to a shabby room.(Thank god, they didn't screw me.) I had wanted to choose the girls but couldn't speak the language and wasn't sure what kind of service was really offered. I could only wait. A couple of minutes later, a woman came in. She looked OK 5/10, about 25~35. Can't really tell.
She told me to take a shower then began massage. The massage wasn't bad but wasn't great either. When it was finished in about 50 min, she pointed to little-me making gestures. I was like, ok, whadda hell. So she went down to do her thing until little-me was just start to get happy. She then jumped off and pulled me over to my pants and said money money. I was like OK~ what a turn off but sort of had no choice. I opend my wallet in front of her, which was a huge mistake. She immediately took 3 of the biggest bills inside which was equivalent of over US$100. I am like no way am I giving you that. ( I heard monthly income is $60/month) I immediately took 1 bill back. I was like, fuck it, US $60 my loss not coming back again.
She then went to work again. Took sometime to wake up little me. I saw that she had to plan to finish me off with her hand and mouth, I was like no way man, US$60 is enough cover full service in developing countries. When I gestured to her that I want the whole thing, she went to my wallet again and want another big bill. This really pissed me off. In the end, the damage was over $100 for a very shitty FS.
When I came out, I was pissed. The tricycle driver kept on asking me is it good, I said no. He wanted to meet me again the next day, I said I have no time and will be leaving. He then insisted on taking me another part of town for boom boom. During the negotiation, he took a big bill from my wallet(US$30). By this time, I was like, fuck it, let's see what a rip off night this will end up being.
We arrived at a part of town where girls on scooter approached us to offer service. I took a look at a couple of them, and decided on one. But it turned out she only wanted local currency.(I found this out later) So we rode around looking for big hotels that offer exchange service. We ended up at one, the tricycle rider went inside with me and again said money money. I was like, hey asshole, I just gave you US$30, why don't you exchange that one??? In the end, I offered one big bill for exchange. This should only work out to be around half a million local currency, but this is when tide started turning in my favor. Like I always said, the world is not fair, but GOD is. The clerk, not familiar with currency exchange offered me 3 times the amount. I even did the calculation in front of them, and they didn't pick up on it. I was confused and thought I got the exchange rate wrong.(When I came back to civilization, I confirmed I wasn't)
Anyway, so off we went again. The tricycle rider took 2/3 of the local currency leaving me with the rest. He peddled me to an ally with a short stay motel. There were a lot of working girls there. He tried to make me pay with my own money again, and I was like no, you have the money. He gave in as others were present. It seemed he paid the girl with $400k~$500k, gave the hotel $300k and everything was go. The girl and I got up stairs to a room. Nothing special, lay down, strip, blow, mount, dismount, very mechanical and boring. The only thing fun was choosing girls on motor-bikes.
When the tri-cycle rider sent me back to my hotel 2.5 hrs after he first saw me, he stopped a good 50 m away from the entrance. Here, he tried to make me pay him again. I had completely lost my benevolence to these people by this point. I said no and walked off. He was very well compensated for already. Originally he told me it was only going to be US$6 for his service, and the greedy bastard now has over US$30 in his hands. I ended up back in my room in one piece but vowed never to go for service in developing countries again.
A word of advice to others, if you like to screw women who lay there like dead fish, who don't shower before or after the deed, who doesn't really work on turning you on, then be my guest. I will stick to saunas in Taiwan, Macau and Hong Kong or AMP in US and Japan.
Come to think of it, the tricycle rider might have wanted to rob me at the end. That's why he stopped a good distance away from my hotel. I wasn't scared b'c I am pretty well built and trained to take on punks like him. In fact, I was sort of waiting for him to make his move. However, a taxi driver waiting near the hotel drove up cutting in between us. I wasn't sure if this was a coincedence. Perhaps the taxi driver just wanted some business from me or he saw what was about to go down and decided to intervene.
In conclusion, don't go messing around in developing countries (had shity experience in China as well) like these unless you have the channels and a proper guide.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread.
Member #3409
07-11-06, 12:32
I stayed at the Melia a few months back and it was definitely not GF. (See previous post)
The Daewoo used to be GF about a year or so ago, but they changed the policy due to government pressure.
I have never stayed at the Hilton.
What happened at the Melia? I read you report a few pages back and it said you snuck a girl in, but why do you think it isn't GF friendly.
The girl who came and spent the evening with me in the Melia 2 nights in a row just walked in hand and hand with me, both times about 9pm. This was probably October last year. This is the one who said it was ok for her but only until midnight. I am not sure if this is true or BS, leaving at midnight that is. Both nights at I walked her out to the waiting motor bike taxis, she wouldn't even let me pay for a regular Hanoi cab.
OT for Hanoi but a girl I know in Ho Chi Minh reckons it is ok for her to come to my room when I stay at the ledgend but only if she gets in before 9pm and stays till morning. I've meet a few bar girls who have offered to come to the Ledgend but only during the day, never at night.
VN is certainly an odd place to punt if you want hotel visits.
I am staying at the Melia right now. It is definitely NOT girl friendly. Anything after 8:00PM is practically impossible. Only way I have discovered is to get them up to the Latino Bar on the 3rd floor before 11:00PM. Once they are there, they can use the elevators to get to your room. Most are too afraid of the police to follow through and do this. P4P in Viet Nam is best done during the daylight hours if you can manage it.
Thanks to everyone who answered my question about GF hotels in Hanoi. Just finished a four day stint there. My first time there, so apologies if I am repeating information already covered.
The first thing I should mention is the GF Hotel situation in Hanoi. I stayed at the Hilton thinking that if they didn't let a girl in then I'd find a cheaper place. However, the first night, approx 2am (expecting to be told no), the guy at the Hilton smiled at my friend and I (and our two girls), and took the girls ID. we had to sign a disclaimer which worried me a little as I had already taken a stroll through the old Hanoi Hilton earlier that day and wasn't keen on staying at a place like that!
I asked him if there maybe any problems because I would tell her to go home. He said to me that it will be okay and make sure I lock up my things in the safe before we go to sleep.
Similar story for the following two nights. The final night when I turned up there, I was told that it was World Cup final night and he worried Police might come and do raid, he said if I take girl to my room I must be quick!
Overall, I think if the Hilton promoted this type of service on their website they would do a roaring trade lol!
Judging by previous threads I can only assume it is really hit and miss as to whether the Hotel is GF depending on what is happening with the Police and crackdowns etc.
Went to a couple of clubs.
The first one (and by far the best of the two):
Is the New Century Disco. Every Taxi driver knows it so no problem getting there (about 50K VND from Hilton). There are no shortage of girls and all you have to do is sit there and they will come up to you. Every night we had around 5-7 standing around us at one time. The bar staff are great and we generally had a good time every night.
The second one:
Fortuna Hotel, Boss Nightclub (I think):
You walk through the door and there is a row of girls sitting on each side (easily 20-30 girls) that obviously take turns at grabbing whatever walks through the door. Might be good for some, but for me I like to choose what is on the menu, not be part of the menu! The other thing the girls told me was that it costs approx USD21 to sit and talk per hour!
In summary, the Quantity of girls was probably more than New Century but I think the quality at New Centuary was better. New Century was louder and more club style with a definite younger crowd (but not exclusively), and Boss nightclub a little more laid back with seats and quiter music. I am sure both clubs cater for different tastes.
A plug for Hanoi in General. IMHO I think the number of beautiful girls in Hanoi outweigh any other Asian country I have been to per capita by a long way. Maybe it has something to do with the never ending stream of beautiful bodies passing you on those little motorbikes. There are also alot more motorbikes per capita :-)) Definately worth a visit.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread.
I am staying at the Melia right now. It is definitely NOT girl friendly. Anything after 8:00PM is practically impossible. Only way I have discovered is to get them up to the Latino Bar on the 3rd floor before 11:00PM. Once they are there, they can use the elevators to get to your room. Most are too afraid of the police to follow through and do this. P4P in Viet Nam is best done during the daylight hours if you can manage it.
Have never had any problems. Entered the Melia last night with VN gal at about 10:30 PM, no problems. Went up to the Latino Bar for a few drinks, then on exiting to the elevators one of the staff pressed the up button to the rooms with a big smile on his face.
Have travelled in Vietnam with a local girl, sure the issue is raised at check-in, but is usually easily resolved, and I don't mean booking two rooms or any extra money being handed over. This talk about police raids in hotels is nonsence. What are they going to do, knock on every hotel room and do a head count and check passports/ID? My aproach is to look confident, keep cool, and not get into any long-winded debate. Those long periods of silence work wonders in Asia.
there is a TINY museum that was left, but the former Hanoi Hilton (home of POW John McCain) was razed and replaced by the Hanoi Towers joint venture (with Singapore) several years ago.
I liked New Century too, BUT you better have high tolerance for people bumpoing into you, smoke and 100+ decibel noiselevel! Unfriggin believbable how smoky, hot and noisy it gets.
KEY tip on girlfriendly hotels in VN: When you find one NEVER mention it on public access internet boards. Send it by email to trusted friends but posting is the kiss of death.
ALL hotels must pay bribes to have VN guests alllowed in. The reason, or so I am told, that minihotels are more likely to be guest friendly is that the 5 stars are hit up for bigger bribes (and often balk at paying the bribes demanded).
I will take your word for it that there was lots of action available inside the Hilton. I believe the Hilton was paying big money to the cops if that was the case. I personally saw the local police come to pick up their nightly bia om money from the hotel where I stayed. I think I wrote the whole story on here last Christmas.
They are the least communist, and most materialistic/capitalistic, people I have ever encountered, so I agree with you about the economic situation.
ALL hotels must pay bribes to have VN guests alllowed in. The reason, or so I am told, that minihotels are more likely to be guest friendly is that the 5 stars are hit up for bigger bribes (and often balk at paying the bribes demanded).
Total nonsence. These places are full of VN guests, and I have stayed at these places numerous time with VN "companions". Secret is a respectable facade and discreetness, it's as simple as that. Those who see a bribe-taking cop behind every tree won't progress too far in understanding how things operate.
Total nonsence. These places are full of VN guests, and I have stayed at these places numerous time with VN "companions". Secret is a respectable facade and discreetness, it's as simple as that. Those who see a bribe-taking cop behind every tree won't progress too far in understanding how things operate.I think what surfer meant was that the owners of these hotels would have to pay bribes to the government. The guests of the hotels are not bothered by the police. Having living in Vietnam for over 2 years, I realize that everyone who's operating any kind of business are required to pay a monthly "tax". These taxes do not go into the government funds but directly into the pockets of the person who's collecting it. Minus a percentage that goes to his boss.
Total nonsence. These places are full of VN guests, and I have stayed at these places numerous time with VN "companions". Secret is a respectable facade and discreetness, it's as simple as that. Those who see a bribe-taking cop behind every tree won't progress too far in understanding how things operate.
I agree Pak Mike. Some of this wacky stuff Surfer is reporting is not just nonsense, it's bullshit. If you look at his posts, it's unclear if he's even been to some of these destinations.
Dashing Don
07-20-06, 17:51
Haven't been to Hanoi but I did stay at the New World Hotel in Saigon a couple of years ago. Its one of the 'official' hotels in the city. There was a no-girl policy there. Quite strict.
Surfer likes to make up things and present them as 'facts'. His imagination is elastic. His memory is spotty.
Between that and his racial comments, well, I think that the Vn mongers should be on notice.
Sorry, I just have to call a spade a spade.
Don
Dollar Bill
07-20-06, 22:36
Surfer likes to make up things and present them as 'facts'. His imagination is elastic. His memory is spotty.
Between that and his racial comments, well, I think that the Vn mongers should be on notice.
Sorry, I just have to call a spade a spade.
Don
I think that is pretty funny about the racial shit. Haven't you been given that label long before???
Surfer has been to VN and has posted a FANTASTIC report with tos of fotos. He posted on a different private board where there are not so many idiots (present company included).
For those that think that Surfer is full of shit. Go ahead and believe it; you will be missing out on GREAT mongering advice and info.
$Bill
PS - in the last 25 posts of Don's:
10 posts NOT mentioning Surfer (40%)
14 posts mentioning Surfer (56%)
1 post censored by Jackson for being off topic. (4%)
Dashing Don
07-20-06, 23:40
I just read Dollar's report and the first question that came to mind is:
How many dollars did Surfer pay Dollar to write this sycophantic 'report'?
I mean, a guy whose handle includes the $ sign--how much integrity can he have?
If this is Surfer's 'following', then I can only laugh. Not much opposition here.
Yo Dollar! Pm me will you? I want to counter Surfer's offer.
Don
I think that is pretty funny about the racial shit. Haven't you been given that label long before???
Surfer has been to VN and has posted a FANTASTIC report with tos of fotos. He posted on a different private board where there are not so many idiots (present company included).
[For those that think that Surfer is full of shit.] Go ahead and believe it; you will be missing out on GREAT mongering advice and info.
$Bill
PS - in the last 25 posts of Don's:
10 posts NOT mentioning Surfer (40%)
14 posts mentioning Surfer (56%)
1 post censored by Jackson for being off topic. (4%)
i think what surfer meant was that the owners of these hotels would have to pay bribes to the government. the guests of the hotels are not bothered by the police. having living in vietnam for over 2 years, i realize that everyone who's operating any kind of business are required to pay a monthly "tax". these taxes do not go into the government funds but directly into the pockets of the person who's collecting it. minus a percentage that goes to his boss.
my experience on this one is that those who are paying this monthly "tax" are the businesses that are "cooking the books" by under reporting turnover etc. in my case, i keep everything 100% clean and welcome these characters to go through things with a fine tooth comb, and when they find nothing send them on their way with a smile. a few businesses are waking up to this now and doing the same as it is cheaper in the long run to pay all the taxes that are due through the proper channels. at the same time the government is getting smarter at cracking down. for example a lot of raids recently on shops with imported cosmetics. if they could not produce purchase documents etc the stock was confirep001ed.
Prov and Don are following me to yet ANOTHER thread, about ANOTHER place where neither of them has ever been. I travel and share info (and pictures) they criticize and flame while adding nothing. Sorry to all readers of THIS folder that my attempt to share m,y experiences caused these two obsessive losers to pollute this thread too.
Pakmike: I SAW IT IN HCMC (the handing of a packet of cash from the Hotel manager to the cops in a White jeep marked SAT) WITH MY OWN EYES. My friend who has lived in Dako, near Dien Bien Phu bridge at the edge of District 1, for many years also told me how it works (which his Vietnamese partner confirmed). I am NOT bashing VN at all, but to deny that the police force is willing to accept a little Bia Om money to look the other way(as they do in MANY countries) is to deny reality IMHO.
Maybe they were cooking the books at my hotel in HCMC, but the cops looked at no papers. They sat out front, silenty, for at least 30 minutes until the inhouse bar closed. They watched foreigners enter, and exit, with VN girls dressed in a suggestive manner. They OBVIOUSLY knew what was going on. One cop got out (there were 4), walked in the nightclub (to ensure it closed apparently), then about 5 minutes later the manager walked up to the boss (in passenger seat) and handed him a wad of dong then they drove off. I was 5 meters away inside the lobby surfing the internet and saw the whole thing quite clearly.
And I am speaking of what I observed in HCMC, not in Hanoi (I did get hit up for a bribe by the bellboy to bring in a girl thee, but saw no cops). Also, the cops were REALY cracking down on sidewalk cafes; we saw the cops pull up in a van, seize all the tables and chairs from the sidewalk and haul the proprietor off to the station. I am told they must pay biog "fines" to get their livlihood back. Because you do business in VN, and because it is well known that the police monitor ALL internet usage (including on this site), I can TOTALLY understand why you feel the need to disagree.
Good luck to you.
i arrived in the north by air at ha noi’s noi bai airport which, unlike sai gon’s, is spacious and new. ha noi is only a 1 hour flight from hong kong while sai gon is 2 hours flight from either. when i was there, the weather was beautiful with highs of 70 and clear skies, but it is often cold (though rarely rainy) in december. summer is oppressively hot and humid, so november-
december, and march-april are the suggested times for visiting (unless you like hot and muggy).
the airport is about 35kms from the city on ha noi, a city which has had close to a dozen names over its lifetime, thang long having been the most durable and famous. there is a freeway that begins right outside the airport (one of only 2 or 3 true freeways in the country) making it pretty quick to the outskirts of the city (40 minutes if no traffic). taxi fare is $10, agree in advance of course, but you can take the viet nam airlines bus to the center for $2. now this freeway with 100kph speed limit (highest in the entire country) has crossings for oxcarts, bicycles and pedestrians. suffice to say that things that crossed slowly that met fast moving vehicles created much roadkill when the freeway opened (reputedly 5 fatalities on very first day!) . while some measures have been taken to reduce the carnage, i suspect it is still quite high and offer anecdotal evidence to support this hypothesis.
new century disco is the hotspot, but you better have a high tolerance for 3 digit decibel levels and second hand smoke (read: a brew of 1,000s of carcinogens) in concentrations that are clearly harmful to health. god bless california's absolute prohibition on smoking in any enclosure except a private residence or hotel room. to breath fresh air again softens the sting of
returning to america the repressed!
just southwest of the lake, no more than 10 minutes taxi ride from the old quarter (should be no more than 20,000dong taxi fare), this huge, dark, two story, disco is somewhat reminiscent of jakarta’s stadium (though no firebreathing dragon). huge numbers of unfriendly bouncers and drink pourers (cute girls who wander around looking for empty glasses which they promptly
refill from the purchased bottles of johnny walker that are stocked on most every table) provide a major employment center. the patrons appreciate it so they can keep hands free for lighting cigarettes and fiddling with cellphones. add to this tremendous crowds of people bumping into you all the time and it should not surprise that i hated these aspects of it.
however, the pairs of hot dancers in sexy outfits dancing up on the bar downstairs in the middle, who look like they are on x (anybody who knows jakarta should think of the professional dancers at tanamur’s or jj’s ), add more appeal. plus there were a fairly large number of lookers there for the taking although most were in groups with at least one or two guys. free lockers outside are a nice touch for storing your fannypack or whatever. no cover, but drinks are $3 or $4. i saw only 2 other roundeye, who were old and ugly, hanging by the exit looking for stragglers. beware fleecing by taxi drivers on the way home late at night (seems to close at 1am despite local rule requiring midnight closure). i made good eye contact wit a few but the earsplitting noise coupled with the difficulty of understanding vietnamese made it challenging to communicate. to put it mildly.
so after enjoying watching the scene inside for an hour or so, when an english speaking woman with a trim and hard body hit on me in very forward fashion near the door of the club, instead of spending some time feeling the vibe i rashly agreed to go to her minihotel. she merely asked “we go hotel i massage you” while stroking my stick. i had taken the vitamin upon arriving, so i was ready to go. also, truth be told i could no longer tolerate either the smoke or the techno blasting at 120db. first warning signal should have been when i got fleeced for 200k at the hotel desk (place was a dark dump). we went upstairs, never having discussed money, then got a good massage and good (but not great) boomboom. all was finished within an hour. so i gave her a generous $30, but she threw a "you give me fifty dollah" hissyfit. she tried every trick in the book, but i refused to yield and after saying "if i man i boxing you"while her face was red with anger, she stormed out. i then grabbed a taxi for the 3 minute ride back and he demands "$5 dollah". i offered the $2 in my pocket, double the rate i had paid on the way over when the guy used the meter. again, an ugly scene requiring me to get the clerk of my hotel to come out to the street to play mediator while the driver bitched and moaned for a good 15 minutes before grudgingly accepting double the true fare. an ugly pair of back to back confrontations that i do not look forward to repeating and among the uglier incidents i have had in years of mongering, however, would not dissuade me from the white skinned beauties for which ha noi is famous.
on my second night, i walked along the lake looking for xe om girls but saw none. i did have 2 guys ask me if i was interested in going to some bar where there were girls, but i eventually just sought a non hustling taxi driver. found one who spoke a bit if english. first he drove me to 2 casas (they exist in ha noi) in a rich area north along west lake (ho tay)near the london school of design (i recall that sign) where they presented a lineup of about 12 girls in the same way it is done in colombia. the quality was soso, none better than a 7. after perusing all of them several times, noticing which made eye contact and smiled at me, i eventually picked one of the 7s. she was a 19yo looking spinner with porcelain skin (no boobs though ) and she got a huge grin when i picked her. but then the negotiations began thorough the taxi driver as interpreter. the pimp (a guy about 30) wanted me to use an onsite room for the assignation (and wanted $40). i countered with $40 but at my hotel fir several hours. a first he was adamant that she could not leave, but then the girl said something to him (like she wanted to go with me) and he said ok. things were looking up. but then the negotiations began, and he insisted on $100 for take out. i balked and we bailed. the driver said locals would pay 150,000 ($10) he said take out is rare (because expensive and few locals have private rooms for sex.)
he said he had a girl in mind and kept calling her until he ran out of credits on his cell. eventually she called and we went down to the south (residential) part of the city to meet her. she turned out to be very gfe, but she speaks zero english (and he very little). we agreed on 900,000 ($50) for all night, she gave him 300,000. despite difficulty in communication, we sat at
a local style restaurant while she ate something, then we crossed the street and knocked on the metal shudders to wake the guard. he lets us in, then tapped his pillow suggesting a tip. the night it turned out great and as soon as she saw the camera she stripped down and started posing suggestively. what a welcome change from times when you have to battle to get a risque foto (plus pay extra). very responsive and agreeable. fun girl who smiled and acted happy. i have her number and her permission to give it to friends who might visit (perhaps easiest through the taxi driver, bao, who can be reached at deleted). she did not want to leave in the morning. very accommodating girl, but my vietnamese is better than her english (which should tell you something).
Because of the police state that is VN, I would never post pictures of girls or comment on which hotels are girl friendly on a public access board such as this.
Dashing Don
07-21-06, 03:11
I gave up after the second paragraph. The one about the emperors hundreds of years ago and all. Where's the broads? Who got laid? Who didn't? Sounds like a monger's version of War and Peace. And I fought off more than one professor in college who tried to get me to read that goddam thing.
This thing reminds me of the now-banned Juniour's reports. They used to run for pages too. I never read more than the first paragraph. His used to begin with 'I arose at seven am and prepared some coffee'. Jesus!
Surfer, ya gotta know your audience. Mongers have an attention span that is as long as a cum shot. Keep it short. Thats my advice to you.
Don
I don't see the point of bashing Surfer for expressing his views and experiences but I also don't see the need to read such long posts.
As for the truth behind GF hotels and bribes etc I am prepared to believe that it could be all of what has been discussed as not much happens in VN without money changing hands. I am also prepared to believe that punters on occasions have been able to smuggle their friends in.
I also adhere to the view that some discretion is required on a public forum such as this. Posting or even PMing of phone numbers etc and specific hotels etc can cause a lot of trouble.
What I do know is that if I want to be sure of being able to bring friends back to my hotel and not some unknown short time dive then I had better choose one of the smaller cheaper hotels.
My experience in HCMC and Hanoi is that these hotels are usually clean and well run with very personalised service.
Dollar Bill
07-21-06, 22:02
I mean, a guy whose handle includes the $ sign--how much integrity can he have?
Don
$Bill my nickname from the old days when I lived in the US and use to visit strip joints. We are all just a "dollar bill" to the girls in this line of work, nothing more. So when strippers would ask my name, I would just say Dollar Bill.
Pretty innocent huh?
$Bill
Mark up a couple more post of Don's with some reference to Surfer. It almost appears that Don has a CRUSH!
Silly Puppy
07-23-06, 09:34
Any hotels in VN and China (communist countries) that accomodate prostitutes for their customers MUST somehow bribe the officials. I believe there is no exception to this rule. The ones who do not pay on time or try to operate secretly will be cracked down and punished.
Surfer,
Your report while is long has some interesting points. It is ironic that foreigners may enjoy a better sense of security over us South Vietnamese or Vietkieu in Hanoi. I'd never go to that place by myself for being afraid of getting robbed. On things to see I do not wish to see Ho's Mausoleum because the guy and his gang brought so much blood and tears to my people. His gang is now enjoying the sole supreme and absolute power holder role and trying to reap as much benefits as possible in case power changes hands within the same party.
The story about Trung's army (mostly led by women) got psyched out by the naked Chinese army is hilarious and fictitious. I heard of this story when I was young and also thought it was true. Keep in mind that the Vietnamese at the time were still very primitive and had no such sense of decency which came from Chinese Confucious thinking. The Amazon warrior women when they see a naked man probably will hunt him down for rewards :)
OldAsiaHand
07-23-06, 14:47
JC373,
The girl came in the daytime pretending to be my accounting staff. I came down to the lobby and escorted her up to the room. This was not possible in the evening.
OAH
What happened at the Melia? I read you report a few pages back and it said you snuck a girl in, but why do you think it isn't GF friendly.
The girl who came and spent the evening with me in the Melia 2 nights in a row just walked in hand and hand with me, both times about 9pm. This was probably October last year. This is the one who said it was ok for her but only until midnight. I am not sure if this is true or BS, leaving at midnight that is. Both nights at I walked her out to the waiting motor bike taxis, she wouldn't even let me pay for a regular Hanoi cab.
OT for Hanoi but a girl I know in Ho Chi Minh reckons it is ok for her to come to my room when I stay at the ledgend but only if she gets in before 9pm and stays till morning. I've meet a few bar girls who have offered to come to the Ledgend but only during the day, never at night.
VN is certainly an odd place to punt if you want hotel visits.
Hi Bro's,
I will be on business trip this Sunday, reaching Hanoi at 1900, just wonder what could I try out when I will be in Hanoi...??
You guide is much appreciated... What is the price range for action?
Furthermore, I don't knows what is the currency exchange look like..!!
1 US = ?Dong
1 RM = ? Dong
Cheers brothers...
During my stay in the "residential hotel" area on the west side of the lake 1.5 years ago, I kept hearing a loud speaker saying some words at 07:30 every morning for about 5 minutes.
I went to the bottom floor to ask what they are saying and the lady told me they are greeting everyone and telling them to clean up the streets outside and work hard... I can see in her eyes she looked like she was making it up but I thought nothing of it- it was too long for just that.
A couple of days later my Nam GF arrived from Saigon and stayed with me there for the week. The 1st morning when I was woken up at 7:30 by the horn, I woke her up and asked her what they are saying and I saw her eyes get big.
She refused to tell me and I kept insisting. Finally she hesitantly told me," they are warning us there are many foreigners staying in the area and if you meet them, do not believe anything they say as they are all liars. Anything they tell you about their home country is false. Vietnam is the best country in the world and you are being well taken care of. We give you everything you need...."
Innocent enough but interesting- Welcome to Hanoi
You made a right decision to declined the $50usd HJ. i said $20usd is max for HJ, if the girl is nice and pleased with the services, i can go for $30usd. For me HN is i like better, the city is old, quiet, not noisy like modern SG. Have fun in VN and play safe.$20 usd for a HJ is the price in the US. That is on top of regular tip.
In VN, at som Hot Toc Nam, you can have a BJ for VND100,000 or USD$8. Taking purchasing power into play, US$20 for a HJ in VN is too expensive, unless you try to impress the girl and ask for her number. Don't demand-pull the market. That is why Vietnam is kind of expensive, nowadays.
Hi there,
I am new to this board. I would appreciate anybody's advice on the best girlfriendly hotels to stay in. ($30 and below).
Thanks!
Hi there,
I am new to this board. I would appreciate anybody's advice on the best girlfriendly hotels to stay in. ($30 and below).
Thanks!
Try Heart Hotel - near lake in centre of old town.
Checked in at the Fortuna hotel for 2 nights.
Showerd and went downstairs to check the BOSS (night club).
Loudly live band and empty dancing platform.
Almost no clients but maybe 100 gals.
Went directly to sit near the bar and ordered local beer.
2 seconds past and someone was behind me - 2 gals.
One speaking decent English - looks 7/10 (tall, nice smile) in almost total darkness
start pushing me to sit with her (18US$) I didnt say a word so she start to talk about me taking her to my room (100US$ ST)
We agreed on 80US$ LT , I gave her my room # and left.
5 minutes later she nocked on my door, talking bla bla bla.
Asked to order some food and then had a shower.
I was already waiting in the bed, nice BBBJ and once she could feel my erection she dressed me with the rain coat and we steped into doggie.
She was moaning and pushing and quickly it ended.
Second shower and she started to get dressed - where are you going I asked her and she gave me the story about the sick mother.
I gave her 50US$ and there she went - be aware from #166 " DIEP"
Crossed the road from the Fortuna and got into Oasis hotel.
Hotel elevator to 5th floor.
Regular room is ok ( not more ) just a massage bed.
Asked to wait there but I insist to see the gals.
Short line of 4 gals - choosed a skinny one ( no name and no English at all).
We got to the room she asked me to get naked a move to the bed - She stayed fully dressed.
First the back and then when I turned up she started to get closer and closer to my ****
With no English she asked me how much I am ready to pay for a "good massage for baby"
I refused to say and she asked for 800,000 - I smiled and refused.
Quickly she was down to 500, then 300 and we agreed on 200.
Quick HJ ( 2/10 ) and bye bye.
Room cost 90,000 )
Inflamable Guy
11-02-06, 10:17
Hi guys,
Is here anyone to give me an information how it woks with the girls in the Boss club when I didn't have a room in the Fortuna Hotel.
Is it possibe that the girl comes with me in another hotel?
Thankx for all info.
Inflamable Guy
11-02-06, 12:51
Hi,
Is here anyone who knows if its possible to go with an girl from Boss Cub in another Hotel. (I have no room in Fortuna, I'm staying in Horizon) :-(
Greetings
Tom Schilders
11-06-06, 11:00
Hi Guys,
Was in Hanoi a few weeks ago, stayed in the Hilton Opera. Must say, Vietnamese ladies look very nice, however in terms of funny business I was a little bit disappointed.
Nite 1: followed to the massage place which is 1 minute to your left if you leave the Hilton Hotel. Indeed, was not expensive, but also it was just a standard hand job
Nite 2: decided to take one of the bicycle taxis with the Hilton logo on it. The guy showed me around Hanoi for about 3 hours. Was approached by ladies on scooters 2 times, asking me if I wanted to go to the house with Mamma. Also spotted 2 street walkers somewhere in the old town. However, due to lack of energy decided to ask the bicyclist for a massage place. After 30 minutes of cycling he took me to a place which was similar to the one close to the Hilton, however 2 times more expensive. The funny thing was that the massage girls was rather horny, and I had to finger her pussy. Otherwise nothing special
General: besides the ladies that approached me on the scooter whilst I was in the bicycle taxi, outside of the Hilton a few times also got approached by ladies on scooters. I think the deal is that they take you to the Mamma's place or something. The Hilton hotel itself had no action inside. Also asked the concierge, but he pretended like he did not understand.
Conclusion: you need to know your way around in Hanoi, otherwise it will just be handjobs at some old rundown massage place
See you
Tom
Totally agree with you. Wne there twice and all I had was 4 handjobs in some really shitty massage parlours. Could not even touch their boobs as they were not even supposed to provide handjobs. Damn.
Hi Guys,
Was in Hanoi a few weeks ago, stayed in the Hilton Opera. Must say, Vietnamese ladies look very nice, however in terms of funny business I was a little bit disappointed.
Nite 1: followed to the massage place which is 1 minute to your left if you leave the Hilton Hotel. Indeed, was not expensive, but also it was just a standard hand job
Nite 2: decided to take one of the bicycle taxis with the Hilton logo on it. The guy showed me around Hanoi for about 3 hours. Was approached by ladies on scooters 2 times, asking me if I wanted to go to the house with Mamma. Also spotted 2 street walkers somewhere in the old town. However, due to lack of energy decided to ask the bicyclist for a massage place. After 30 minutes of cycling he took me to a place which was similar to the one close to the Hilton, however 2 times more expensive. The funny thing was that the massage girls was rather horny, and I had to finger her pussy. Otherwise nothing special
General: besides the ladies that approached me on the scooter whilst I was in the bicycle taxi, outside of the Hilton a few times also got approached by ladies on scooters. I think the deal is that they take you to the Mamma's place or something. The Hilton hotel itself had no action inside. Also asked the concierge, but he pretended like he did not understand.
Conclusion: you need to know your way around in Hanoi, otherwise it will just be handjobs at some old rundown massage place
See you,
Tom
Hi,
Is here anyone who knows if its possible to go with an girl from Boss Cub in another Hotel. (I have no room in Fortuna, I'm staying in Horizon) :-(
Greetings
All of those girls will leave with you to go to another hotel. The standard rates are $60 for ST and $80 for LT. Personally, I do not like this place because you have to pay $21 just to sit with them.
Hi all,
I'm going to Hanoi soon and I'm looking for a GF Hotel not too expensive. Also in HCMC if you know. You can PM me if you've got some tips.
Thks
Hi everyone!
This is my first mail here and I´am sorry about my english!
I'm spending 3 weeks holiday in Bkk and Ubon in january and also bought tickets bkk-hanoi-bkk 11.1-16.1. Why ? I´dont know ! Just bought. "One horned Vikings" don´t need VISA to VN, so it´s easy to go. I´m gonna stay in Hanoi some cheap 1-star hotel "Red River 1" in old-town. It has to be GF!? This is my first trip to Hanoi.
I hope you can give me some information!
What I need is: fresh information about where to find freelancers, brothels, massages, what is the "normal" damage today of average streetwalker.
I´ve been readind theese articles about Hanoi and I don´t know what to think, ladies from hotel discos 50-80 USD for ST/LT in Vietnam? Same money you get In BKK 2-4 LT and in Phonom Phen the whole harem for a week!
I think that I can survive 6 days without pussy in Hanoi but is that necessary? Going back BKK could be too hard after that. So is there any last month hints?
Thanks
Well, I've been a freeloader on this site for long enough, I guess it's time for me to make a contribution.
I spent a few days in Hanoi last week, just missing the chaos of the summit, thank God. Having RTFF, I figured the chicken was less finger licking good and more 'pluck it and fuck it' than HCMC, and I was right.
There are a lot of MP sprinkled around town, a couple on Hang Hahn in the Old Quarter stand out in my mind; These were my first experiences in MPs, and I guess it's safe to say I am just not an MP type of guy. Therefore, I'll withhold the gory details, except to say I found it was difficult to communicate with the girls and neither they nor I were buckets of confidence. I suppose with a little more persistence and experience than I showed, one could have a satisfactory time in the MPs.
It is indeed all going down at The New Century disco. Most of the people there looked like rich Viet kids to me. I felt old (39) and conspicuous (caucasian) there, but still managed to have a good time, even on my own. Curiously, no one was dancing or even applauding for the hardworking band. A couple of cuties approached me, but I had already made my mind up to head to Apocalypse Now, so I put them off before even negotiating.
Now, for the point of this public service message, I gotta tell ya fellas: Apocalypse Now in Hanoi is one hell of a long way away from everything else. I couldn't find any decent directions to it, but any moto taxi guy can probably get you there from the Old Quarter for 10k or 15k. For the record, it's located at 5c Hoa Ma, south of the Hom Market, off of Pho Hue, but you've got to go down Ba Trieu to Tue Tinh from central Hanoi to get there.
The Saturday night I was at Apocalypse Now, it wasn't worth the effort. The place was packed, and it must have been 5:1 guys to girls, if not 10:1! The waiter ripped me off on the change for my beer as well. That comes as no surprise however, because as a gringo, I am little more than a walking ATM to the average Vietnamese. The few women I saw there had obviously had their odometers turned over at least twice, if not thrice. Now, I can lower my standards as well as the next guy, and beer certainly greases the slide, but even I have an acceptability floor. Knowing what I know now, I'd recommend sticking to the New Century, as I clearly should have done.
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Carrache, nice post. I too have really only enjoyed the New Century for those that are unfamiliar with the scene.
Hi everyone!
This is my first mail here and I´am sorry about my english!
I'm spending 3 weeks holiday in Bkk and Ubon in january and also bought tickets bkk-hanoi-bkk 11.1-16.1. Why ? I´dont know ! Just bought. "One horned Vikings" don´t need VISA to VN, so it´s easy to go. I´m gonna stay in Hanoi some cheap 1-star hotel "Red River 1" in old-town. It has to be GF!? This is my first trip to Hanoi.
I hope you can give me some information!
What I need is: fresh information about where to find freelancers, brothels, massages, what is the "normal" damage today of average streetwalker.
I´ve been readind theese articles about Hanoi and I don´t know what to think, ladies from hotel discos 50-80 USD for ST/LT in Vietnam? Same money you get In BKK 2-4 LT and in Phonom Phen the whole harem for a week!
I think that I can survive 6 days without pussy in Hanoi but is that necessary? Going back BKK could be too hard after that. So is there any last month hints?
ThanksAs Carrache has said the massage scene is hit and miss because communications are difficult and the management does not encourage hanky-panky because they are scared of the authorities.
New Century is probably the best go and a hotel for less than US$30 in the old town ought to be GF and pretty close to New Century. This will be p4p at something like VD1000000. Just sit at the bar and let them come to you.
Near the New Century on the road facing the lake there are several restaurants and cocktail bars frequented by locals. I would not discount the possibility of picking up something there with some patience.
I agree with Sudsoz here. If you are in Hanoi for a reason, you can probably find what you are looking for around the New Century, but for God's sake, don't go to Hanoi for the sole intention of looking for action--stick to Saigon. Being caucasian is a huge advantage in VN and if you speak Vietnamese (I don't), you will be entirely in the driver's seat and can almost name your price.
After having been there, my hypothesis on the Hanoi hotels is that the smaller hotels are the way to go. I would guess 100k to the night clerk would get you in with a guest without any comment, and 50k might even do it. Whether this applies to hotels in the French Quarter I couldn't say, as I only stayed in the Old Quarter. If you stay at a larger, more conspicuous place like the Hilton or somewhere you would book online like Expedia or Travelocity, I would guess you run the risk of being lonely.
By the way, unless the whole world happens to be in Hanoi (think APEC conference), you'll have no trouble finding a room. Room rates are soft, $20-$60/night for most in the Old Quarter, depending on the quality hotel and how long you are staying. Bargain hard, but be nice to them. Use your 20,000 VND notes (about USD1.25) to make friends fast.
I saw some sound advice elswhere regarding New Century.
The girls that approach you fairly aggressively and speak english have probably been in the game a while and more likely to rush you or even rip you off.
Seek out the newer less experienced ones for a better experience. You might even slip one of the old hands VND100,000 to find a few for you.
OldAsiaHand
12-17-06, 12:11
Sheraton Hanoi Hotel is girl friendly until 9:00PM after which they call your room to tell you she must go. The girl must have an ID to give the front desk when she arrives. My freebie told me that if you register two people when you check in, there is not a problem. The hotel would prefer that you rent another room for the girl to make money so they do not advertise the initial registration option. Next time, I will know better.
OAH
Hi all,
I'm going to Hanoi soon and I'm looking for a GF Hotel not too expensive. Also in HCMC if you know. You can PM me if you've got some tips.
ThksTry Duc Loi hotel 292 HUE Str phone 8.215526 located a few block south of the lake. You should get a good double room for $25 or less.
One Wing Low
01-01-07, 09:49
Went to Hanoi for some business. Was received by a few VIP's and moneyed people. They laughed at how I was duped in HCMC. They want to show me the real Vietnamese girls.
The people in Hanoi are warmer and more engaging than the South. There are street vendors everywhere but virtually no beggars. the sidewalks of the old town bustles with food vendors. People sit around on small plastic stools, eating, drinking, smoking, talking...all day. There are caravans of pedicabs taking foreigners on tours.
Went to New Century club 2 nights in a row, being set up with a few good girls. The hardened pros hanging by the entrance were watching everyone like hawks. Sorry, not interested. Inside the music was very loud. There was a short performance then the rest of the night is just deafening dance music. All sorts of young people with a large crowd of foreigners were drinking Henessy and dancing to the music.
The 'good girl' was a young, petite and pretty girl. She spoke a few words in English. She was drinking heavily and dancing with her group of friends. Supposedly she would go home with me that night, but she took off with another girl on some personal matter. I was told she was playing hard-to-get.
Next day was invited to a party in a 'good' karaoke place near the old French quarter. The officials sent someone else to host the party as they do not want their wives and the public to know they frequent bars. Hanoi is supposedly a small city. Their wives would learn about their engaging in karaoke bars in matter of 15 minutes, and have been known to raise hell even for high-ranking officials.
The owner seemed to know the junior government officials very well. They talked and laughed while ordering up the meal. They brought in 5 young girls, all young, pretty and demured. I took the girl with the sweetest smile with a crooked canine tooth that only Vietnamese girls seem to have. An exotic meal of seafood was quickly produced, one of the ingredient was live sea turtle and eggs. The place does have a good chef. We were served rice wine with snake blood (yuk) to supposedly pump up our libido. An investment banker wanted to try dog meat, but the Vietnamese officials pretended again and again they did not hear the request.
One of the girls could really sing with a clear voice. The other girls were serving us food and drinks while our hands were roaming everywhere over their lithe bodies. The room was cleaner, the girls were well-mannered, the atmosphere was very relaxed and lively. I was having a good time feeling up and kissing my girl between large chunks of deep-fried turtle meat.
That was a good party. My girl punched her mobile number into my phone with promise to meet after work. I tipped her 200,000; she was pouting, so I had to give her another 100K, total about US$20. When we got in the car, a very wealthy Vietnamese scolded me for tipping her so much. This guy with assets worth over US$200 mil told me never to tip the karaoke girls more than 100,000 dong! I found a cup coffee would cost 8,000, a bowl of soup 25,000 dong from a street vendor in Hanoi. The girls would definitely starve if they only get a tip equivalent of 4 bowls of soup after several hours of sitting. How are these young girls going to take care of their families and presumably their babies on such small tips? I made a mental note to tip these girls at least 10 local fast-food meals for their several hours of care and entertaining.
Anyway my girl did come to my hotel a few times. I paid the bar penalty so she could spend the whole day with me touring Hanoi. She took me to some of the best sea-food places on sidewalks. We got back to the hotel and she could not wait to have sex. She has a lean and sexy body without the scars common in Asia. She was very wet and passionate. We made love a few times that night. I learned that she was living with a BF but the guy died in a traffic accident. Since then she did not want a man in her life for fear of being exploited. Her small room has gone up from 500,000 dong a month to 1.5 million (about US$100) and the costs of everything have been rising quickly.
Life is not so good for a lot of people!
Went to Hanoi for some business. Was received by a few VIP's and moneyed people. They laughed at how I was duped in HCMC. They want to show me the real Vietnamese girls. <...>
Nice report; glad to see your fortunes improved.
Cheers,
-Y
landed in Hanoi late evening and had a business meeting.
Looked at my watch and time is already 11: 30 PM.
Boss club and the massage club will be closed at midnite.
Hesitate for a mintue and decided to go for the massage.
Up to the top of the hotel a asked the spa manager to send a girl to my room.
10 minuts past and a knock on my door. The girl and the guy asking me to sign the bill (450K).
The girl look. 5/6 but its late and all I was looking for was a massage and happy end.
She was total GFE from first minute. Kissing and hugging.
Off she took a shower and came back to the room naked.
I decided to go all the way for FS (she could not speak english).
Preformane so so and then a shower and I asked for the massage. It was bad Gave her 400K and sent her away.
Will try toonight the Boss club.
current as of december 2006.
here’s some updated information as a result of a short visit to hanoi last month. i’ll post a similar report under the hcm tab. i don’t discuss costs because that so much depends on the relationship you are able to establish with the girls. i’m sure the prices i paid would be questioned by those who have paid more, or ridiculed by those who have paid less. so, each to his own. bonne chance!
apocalypse now
this is a new, glitzy venue that has replaced the old an, which in my book was a much more intimate and interesting place, albeit with a much higher sleaze factor. the new place is large and soul-less, although to be fair, i was in there early in the evening, and it doesn’t start hopping until about 10:00 p.m. it’s also a little hard to find, since the taxi drivers don’t seem to know about it yet.
address: #2 dong tac street
dong da district, hanoi
near star bowl
relax bar
60 ly thuong street
hanoi
near the metropole hotel
tel: 942-4409
relax is a busy expat bar with very pretty hostesses who will be glad to sit with you if you buy them a (real) drink. this is not a grope bar like those you’ll find in saigon on hai ba trung and mac thi buoi streets. the girls speak reasonable english, and i would assume they are available off site for the right guy and the right price.
ly thuong street is also a hangout for a lot of streetwalkers and moto-girls. i was approached several times as i neared relax bar in a cyclo, and i actually struck up a conversation with one of the moto-girls as i was leaving. i wasn’t interested in going with her and said i was looking for some more club entertainment. she actually offered to take me by moto to one nearby (seventeen bar), no charge and no strings, just dropped me off and disappeared into the night. with that kind of service-oriented attitude, i almost called her back.
seventeen bar
tran hung dao street
near gan ga hang co
this is a mid-range, live music club. seating is at the bar or at small tables along the back. free lancers are plentiful, with the going price around d-500,000, at least on the night i was there.
several haircut places on buoi street near the bridge, and several more on tran quoc toan street. your mileage will vary a lot in different places along these streets, but the quest is part of the fun. in one, where even a hj wasn’t on the menu, i pulled a country girl who had never experienced oral sex before. it took a little persistence on my part, and when i left, i was still horny, but she had the most incredible look on her face, wide-eyed and absolutely speechless.
at another, i got an average hj, but also the best french kissing bout (which she initiated all on her own) that i have ever had, bar none.
karaoke
if you’re willing to try the karaoke bars, which are a challenge if you don’t speak at least some vietnamese, and expensive even if you are vietnamese, here are a couple that i have tried and liked.
d&t karaoke
290 nguyen trai (162a so cu)
hanoi
i was alone here and actually got an impassioned screw from the karaoke hostess right in the song room.
dieu vy #1
162a nguyen trai
hanoi
here, i took the karaoke girl out to a nearby hotel of her choosing, sapa hotel at 54 nguyen trai. this is a regular sized hotel, not a mini, with its own restaurant and karaoke rooms, and i assume with its own hostesses who will be glad to come to your room. as it was, we just used it for short time.
action in hanoi is harder to find than in saigon, and the city closes down early, but if you can just scratch a little under the surface, i find it more wide open and permissive than saigon, and seemingly without as much fear of the police. after all, hanoi is the big, party boss playground, and the authorities may be looking the other way.
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Couple of friend - got a private room, line of gals and booz.
Funny evening
Everything is closed at midnite so I choosed one of the gals and invited her to spend the nite with me.
Face 5 but body 8/9, great smile and great GFE
Kissing and hugging - my finger found out that she was already wet.
Great fuck all positions including BBBJ
I fell asleep and she waked me in the morning for second session.
I left Hanoi with a great taste
One Wing Low
01-18-07, 06:15
Perhaps you are a member of Hanoi's power structure itself.
As far as I know, the old men in the politburo are constantly attacking the 'black society' and corruptions caused by Western decadence. The party is not looking the other way, but law enforcement people are too busy shaking down the population for bribes than implementing the party's directives.
Of course if you get caught with any illegal activities, then you either have to pay the bribes, or get screwed by the people's court.
BTW, one member of the Central Committee asked me how the Co Van My's were fucking around in Saigon during the war. Perhaps you can provide the details here just for historical records.
Current as of December 2006.
Here’s some updated information as a result of a short visit to Hanoi last month. I’ll post a similar report under the HCM tab. I don’t discuss costs because that so much depends on the relationship you are able to establish with the girls. I’m sure the prices I paid would be questioned by those who have paid more, or ridiculed by those who have paid less. So, each to his own. Bonne chance!
Karaoke
If you’re willing to try the Karaoke bars, which are a challenge if you don’t speak at least some Vietnamese, and expensive even if you ARE Vietnamese, here are a couple that I have tried and liked.
D&T Karaoke
290 Nguyen Trai (162A so cu)
Hanoi
I was alone here and actually got an impassioned screw from the karaoke hostess right in the song room.
Dieu Vy #1
162A Nguyen Trai
Hanoi
Here, I took the karaoke girl out to a nearby hotel of her choosing, Sapa Hotel at 54 Nguyen Trai. This is a regular sized hotel, not a mini, with its own restaurant and karaoke rooms, and I assume with its own hostesses who will be glad to come to your room. As it was, we just used it for short time.
Action in Hanoi is harder to find than in Saigon, and the city closes down early, but if you can just scratch a little under the surface, I find it more wide open and permissive than Saigon, and seemingly without as much fear of the police. After all, Hanoi is the big, party boss playground, and the authorities may be looking the other way.
OWL,
I see that you have been under fire from some other members of the forum, but that's no reason to be confrontational with me :-)
For the historical record, I did absolutely NO fucking around when I was in Vietnam during the war. I know that may be hard to believe, but except for a handful of hand jobs in some steam-and-creams far away from my own flagpole, I never dallied.
I can't speak for other advisors, but my sense is that for the most part they were a pretty straight-arrow group.
On the other hand, in later years, without being specific for obvious reasons, I did dally quite a bit with mid-level government folks including some law enforcement types. Believe me, they know how to party!
And no, I am not a member of Hanoi's power structure. Why would you take that kind of cheap shot? That's a rhetorical question, and please don't answer, for I have nothing more to say on this particular issue.
Chuc may man
Perhaps you are a member of Hanoi's power structure itself.
BTW, one member of the Central Committee asked me how the Co Van My's were fucking around in Saigon during the war. Perhaps you can provide the details here just for historical records.
OWL,
I see that you have been under fire from some other members of the forum, but that's no reason to be confrontational with me :-)
For the historical record, I did absolutely NO fucking around when I was in Vietnam during the war. I know that may be hard to believe, but except for a handful of hand jobs in some steam-and-creams far away from my own flagpole, I never dallied.
I can't speak for other advisors, but my sense is that for the most part they were a pretty straight-arrow group.
On the other hand, in later years, without being specific for obvious reasons, I did dally quite a bit with mid-level government folks including some law enforcement types. Believe me, they know how to party!
And no, I am not a member of Hanoi's power structure. Why would you take that kind of cheap shot? That's a rhetorical question, and please don't answer, for I have nothing more to say on this particular issue.
Chuc may manThere is no need to be shameful about being a Communist Party monger. I did a whole night with a Commie girl years ago with her full uniform with red hammer & sickle. There was great charm in the unusual.
One Wing Low
01-22-07, 12:35
... i was only interested in the fucking history of vietnam :)
the old men in the central committee, and even the younger ones, still truly believe that saigon then was wall-to-wall bars and *****houses, and that american gi's were roaming around looting and [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) everyone in sight.
are they believing in their own propaganda?
ps: i was only kidding you about hanoi's power structure.
owl,
and no, i am not a member of hanoi's power structure. why would you take that kind of cheap shot? that's a rhetorical question, and please don't answer, for i have nothing more to say on this particular issue.
chuc may man
Hello
I will be in March for 1 night in Hanoi.
I look for an hotel, girl friendly, clean, good location, price reasonnable.
What is your advice?
What are the good places to find a girl? Massage salon? Where?
thanks
My advice: When you come to Vietnam, you just ask your local partner (who meets you and receives you, even your Vietnam business partner) for sex services in Hanoi/Saigon. He won't hesitate to help you. Just ask him when you are having dinner: where can I go for night life? Can I find a girl for fun there? If you find fun on your own, you might get high charge for bad service. Some hookers can be robbers :-SS
New Century is full of under-class hookers. You don't find their "low-grade" because of flashing discotheque lights.
My advice: If you go to Hanoi on a business trip, you should ask your local business partner for night life as well as for sex services :D. He is willing to help, I'm sure.
Please advice me where could I find a model girl or high class escort in Hanoi?
Sometime need a realy nice GF for go out to the city
One Wing Low
03-01-07, 10:19
Ask comrade Vladimir Putin
Please advice me where could I find a model girl or high class escort in Hanoi?
Sometime need a realy nice GF for go out to the city
I'm in Hanoi now, should we have an offline meeting. My [Email address deleted by Admin]. I can't use PM in here because I own limited account.
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will be Hanoi end of this week. reading a few pages of FR, seems not much action. New Century club seems ok with some and a no no for some.
A few questions, how difficult is to get a cab from airport to hotel(staying at the somerset, fare?). Two where can I get a quickie, is there a MP that I can go to in Hanoi and what is the cost like.
Thanks
Hi Acerboy
There're lots of action for you in Hanoi. You can ask your local partner or hotel receptionist. If you go to bar or disco, you can find a girl but you might not gain quality service relevant to your payment. :)) You can go to KTV Club of Fortuna Hotel to pick up a girl. In evening, they stand in line so you can choose. I'm not sure about cost, but I think you should 200$ to go overnight with her.
Taxi fare from airport to city is around 150.000 VND (Vietnam Dong); less than 10USD but I think driver asks you to pay 10USD. I'm currently in Hanoi but I don't know how to contact/discuss you. As for me, PM and email address are forbidden here. Have a good time!
Acerboy - most of the hotels are not GF. Not sure about Somerset.
The ones that are GF are the cheap ones - less than $30. Try Heart Hotel in old quarter.
Never found effective massage in Hanoi. Century is OK but hard to find fresh talent.
Traveler1234
03-14-07, 14:30
Acerboy - most of the hotels are not GF. Not sure about Somerset.
The ones that are GF are the cheap ones - less than $30. Try Heart Hotel in old quarter.
Never found effective massage in Hanoi. Century is OK but hard to find fresh talent.
The two somerset locations in HCMC are definitely GFE so would 'assume' same for hanoi? easiest thing is to ask them!
Acerboy ... we same kampung mari one .. ! KL mah .. anyway cut the crap ! I have been to Hanoi abt 4 times few times over the last 6 months and frankly I have been very disappointed with this place ... , so much so I only end up staying one night and then head on to BKK. Getting leads from the Hanoi tread about this place gives me the merry go round experience and no solid information except for some sketchy details here and there. Where are all the info gone ?
Hanoi boy .. your Fortuna info of 200 USD is steep by my standards as even the white meats even cost less .. ! Is that the standard rates in Hanoi ?
I have stayed in Daewoo , Oasis and Fortuna Hotel before and they are quite OK, clean and passable. Daewoo charges for the wifi while Oasis gives it free.
I am going again early next month to Hanoi and surely I hope someone in this thread can tell me which is the best hole to look for or else, I 'll just have to stick my dick in the toilet bowl and flush ... or better leave it for the ultimate Bangkok experience ...
Cheers !
Xerus
The two somerset locations in HCMC are definitely GFE so would 'assume' same for hanoi? easiest thing is to ask them!
Am about to book a hotel for a future business trip to Saigon. You're sure that the Somerset allows you to take a female guest up to your room?
Am about to book a hotel for a future business trip to Saigon. You're sure that the Somerset allows you to take a female guest up to your room?
Somerset seems girl friendly cos I saw a few guest walking into the lift with Vietnamese girls. Not all were necessarily working girls. But access to the room floors require a room key. I'd say it is girl friendly.
guys I'm back to KL. Saw a few places offering massages but couldn't check them out cos HM was with me. Xerus - talk to the bellboys, I'm sure they can point you in the right direction.
Hanoiboy - thanks for you offer. Too bad I'm back. USD200 is too steep lah bro. I can get Vietnam girl in KL for much less. Which reminds me, need to go and find some Vietnamese girl to screw soon to take care of my DSB.;)
Traveler1234
03-19-07, 15:09
Am about to book a hotel for a future business trip to Saigon. You're sure that the Somerset allows you to take a female guest up to your room?
Yes, never a problem. even asked security to buy me box of condoms when i ran out :)
i would suggest the older somerset location - not as upscale as newer one but smaller lobby, less traffic and excellent security.
Road Lover
03-20-07, 18:11
IS sofitel Metropole in Hanoi a gf hotel? What is the best way to get a girl into my room there, if I didnt want to or unable to walk hand in hand with a girl in my arm due to the presence of my colleagues in the same hotel? Any tips / contacts will be greatly appreciated.
Happy Harry
03-24-07, 03:11
Hey guys,
Just a little question. How do you say condom in vietnamese?
I want to know in case i run out and need 2 ask for some.
Cheers,
UH
Hello,
Around Sheraton Hanoi, there are a bunch of massage parlor where you can get great massages for 10-20 USD.
I met there a nice and hot lady who gave me her number for further fun in my hotel. you can PM me to get the info. In exchange I am looking ofr good numbers in HCM or in the rest of South East Asia.
By the way, I recomend Dragon Hotel, close to Sheraton.
Bye!
LakeJune2004
03-28-07, 16:16
Hey guys,
Just a little question. How do you say condom in vietnamese?
I want to know in case i run out and need 2 ask for some.
Cheers,
UHCondom in vietnamese call AO MUA [raincoat]
Happy Harry
03-29-07, 06:52
LOL!
What happens if they get me an actual one?! That would be funny.
Should I gesture down there? ;-D
UH
IS sofitel Metropole in Hanoi a gf hotel? What is the best way to get a girl into my room there, if I didnt want to or unable to walk hand in hand with a girl in my arm due to the presence of my colleagues in the same hotel? Any tips / contacts will be greatly appreciated.Forget to bring a girl into Sofitel Hanoi. Security will stop you and you will be asked to book a room for your girl. Best thing you can do is to go to the New Century dance club, which is 5 min. by cab from the hotel. Here you will find tons of nice and beautiful girls at the bar. They do have private places around and its secure to follow them there. Unfortunately you´ll have to pay for the room there as well and they´ll charge you appr. USD 20. Girls with excellent service are available from USD 30 on.
David Dante
04-04-07, 05:09
Just arrived in Hanoi, will be here for a few weeks.
Anybody out there want to meet up and explore the bar scene?
Can arrange to meet at one of the bars in Old Quarter.
David Dante
04-08-07, 05:53
I have been in Hanoi now for several days and still have some time to go. I've visited the usual suspects. New Century (godawful), 17 Saloon (almost as bad), Relax Bar (nice and friendly with some very pretty girls); can anyone out there answer the following:
1. Where can I get a good massage and BJ (I tried the blackdoor places but they just whip your clothes off, rub your legs for 2 minutes then blow)?
2. Tourist season here, I was thinking of escaping to My Son. Any action down there that anyone knows about? Hotel in-room massage?
3. Also going to Sapa, what if any are the chances of having fun up there?
Anybody fancy a drink one night to discuss do let me know.
Just read Carrache's posting of a few months ago about the Apocalpse Now Bar in Hanoi. Too bad it has gone downhill. I have only been to Hanoi once, and that was about 6 years ago. At the time I thought it was a great bar. I met a really sweet nice and pretty girl who spent the whole nite with me. Can't remember the price, but it was very reasonable. I plan to visit Hanoi again this Fall and hope this bar is still as nice as I remember it. But 6 years is a long time.
By the way, anyone planning to be in North or Central Vietnam this Fall, 2007, can PM if you want to get together.
Colony2007
04-20-07, 07:33
Forget to bring a girl into Sofitel Hanoi. Security will stop you and you will be asked to book a room for your girl. Best thing you can do is to go to the New Century dance club, which is 5 min. by cab from the hotel. Here you will find tons of nice and beautiful girls at the bar. They do have private places around and its secure to follow them there. Unfortunately you´ll have to pay for the room there as well and they´ll charge you appr. USD 20. Girls with excellent service are available from USD 30 on.Went there yesterday after reading above post. I must have been too early (around 8.45 p.m.) Customers were outnumbered by staff by 5 to 1 ! But as i was leaving, a young lady who could be mamasan gave me a look which seems to say 'Why are you leaving so early ? Our girls are coming" or "We have so few customers tonight, please do not leave yet for another nightclub" I almost returned to the bar where scotch with coke costs only VND 50,000 ($3.00) but I was heading for Hanoi Hotel.
Mother Hearth
04-22-07, 06:06
Can you please help me to inform me where I can book a hotel in Hanoi that is girl friendly?
And where I can meet freelancers in Hanoi?
Thanks
Road Lover
04-22-07, 16:44
Forget to bring a girl into Sofitel Hanoi. Security will stop you and you will be asked to book a room for your girl. Best thing you can do is to go to the New Century dance club, which is 5 min. by cab from the hotel. Here you will find tons of nice and beautiful girls at the bar. They do have private places around and its secure to follow them there. Unfortunately you´ll have to pay for the room there as well and they´ll charge you appr. USD 20. Girls with excellent service are available from USD 30 on.
Thanks Tiger for the excellent advise. i will follow it and let you know how it went.
You can go to KTV Club of Fortuna Hotel to pick up a girl. In evening, they stand in line so you can choose. I'm not sure about cost, but I think you should 200$ to go overnight with her.Overnight at Fortuna will cost around USD60-80.
Any info on the Relax Bar (or is it Relax Cafe)? As I mentioned in my previous post, I went to Hanoi once about 6 years ago. I went to the Relax Bar a few times. It seemed like a nice place, but the only girls there were waitresses who were friendly, but did not seem available, not even for money. At the time, I heard they only go with very few tourists, only ones they like quite a bit. Since I am much older than them, I think I would not be one of the lucky ones. Is it still like that now, or is it possible now for most tourists to pick up one of the girls at the Relax Bar if the price is right? If so, what is the price for short time and for all night?
Mother Hearth
04-24-07, 11:31
Hi to all,
I always in the forum but not even half reply is not cool!
Just asking wich hotel I have to book for be ok if I bring sweet company and where to find nice lady, even not prostitute. I like freelancers.
Thanks
There has always been girls available at the Relax, not necessarily the waitresses. Thing is that it is all very low key, perhaps not immediately obvious, unlike in a few other countries/cities I could mention. More recently you will find at 4 or 5 gals who are "available".
Any info on the Relax Bar (or is it Relax Cafe)? As I mentioned in my previous post, I went to Hanoi once about 6 years ago. I went to the Relax Bar a few times. It seemed like a nice place, but the only girls there were waitresses who were friendly, but did not seem available, not even for money. At the time, I heard they only go with very few tourists, only ones they like quite a bit. Since I am much older than them, I think I would not be one of the lucky ones. Is it still like that now, or is it possible now for most tourists to pick up one of the girls at the Relax Bar if the price is right? If so, what is the price for short time and for all night?
David Dante
04-26-07, 05:56
Okay guys, I've got 13 days in Hanoi. I've been to Relax, New Century, haven't tried Apocalpyse but from all the accounts here not worth it; where else? There must be places.
Bars, good massage places (not the quick in and out affairs) out there?
Will plod the sreets in search. Any advice much appreciated.
Also, be careful late at night around the lake bars - if three or four working girls come up and try to coddle you, shake 'em off politely. One preens while the other picks your pocket. I know it makes common sense but after a few drinks not easy to stay focused.
This is an article in the local newspaper
Nearly 500 armed police officers Saturday raided the New Century Club in Hanoi, northern Vietnam’s hippest nightclub, detaining 1,163 people, including foreigners, on suspicion of drug use and distribution.
The sting was a classified operation by the central Ministry of Public Security’s General Police Department. Even the Hanoi police force knew nothing about it.
At 1am, the officers laid siege to the disco at No 10 Trang Thi Street in downtown Hanoi and found over a thousand people, mostly from 17 to 24 years old, dancing frenziedly to strong music.
Three were caught red-handed with drugs.
Some tried to run away but were caught outside by waiting policemen. Some were caught trying to throw away ecstasy pills – a kind of illegal drug mainly used by dancers – and destroying incriminating evidence.
Over 200 personal pouches containing heroin, ecstasy pills and other drugs were seized at the site.
Over the next 4 hours, 1,163 people were taken to various sites for questioning and drug tests. Prominent singers, actresses, and businessmen were among the group.
Over 200 tested positive to using drugs. But by 7.30 pm, all had been released except 20 people who are still detained on the suspicion of drug distributing.
Though the club owner Nguyen Dai Duong was not present, he was detained later.
A venue for the wealthy and chic, New Century is one of the biggest and most expensive nightclubs in Vietnam.
It has been fined twice in the past for staying open too late and violating noise regulations.
Similarly, but on smaller scale, local Ho Chi Minh City police Saturday burst into the MGM Saigon, one of the largest and most rambunctious cafes in the city, and detained over 100 youths, some as young as 14 on suspicion of drug use.
This all is part of a recent campaign to intensify the fight against crime and drugs. Over the last dozen days, police nationwide arrested over 1,100 suspects and seized over 8.2 kg of heroin and 1,140 additional individual doses of heroin, not to mention the two latest operations.
Friday, Duong Duc Hiep, a famous TV comedian popular for his gaunt feature, was caught in Hanoi carrying 0.18-grams of heroin. He confessed to being addicted for 5 months.
Colony2007
04-30-07, 03:47
Okay guys, I've got 13 days in Hanoi. I've been to Relax, New Century, haven't tried Apocalpyse but from all the accounts here not worth it; where else? There must be places.
Bars, good massage places (not the quick in and out affairs) out there?
Will plod the sreets in search. Any advice much appreciated.
Also, be careful late at night around the lake bars - if three or four working girls come up and try to coddle you, shake 'em off politely. One preens while the other picks your pocket. I know it makes common sense but after a few drinks not easy to stay focused.Members may note that on the early morning of Sunday 29th April, 500 federal police raided New Century and held all 1163 customers, staff and "artists" there folowing suspicion that hard drugs are sold and consumed there. Large number of drugs were seized. But the aim was to bust drug abuse, bot gf and you mongers. The police made that very clear.
Now as to the hapless Dante. If you speak the language, and if you are Asian, there are many places and opposrtunities. But if you are Caucasian blonde, without the local lingo, you chances are limited. Try to check in at a small hotel or "nha nghi "(guest houses), and simply seek the help of hotel staff. They will always find somebody. Don't expect FS at massage parlors. It is illegal although in some parlors, they wil oblique you. One of them is near Hotel Harisson just outside the car exit. Go to the first floor. But you must be the only customer at the time.
There has always been girls available at the Relax, not necessarily the waitresses. Thing is that it is all very low key, perhaps not immediately obvious, unlike in a few other countries/cities I could mention. More recently you will find at 4 or 5 gals who are "available".
As I mentioned, I was at the Relax Cafe a few times in 2001. I went with a friend who is a real Asia monger, and very well traveled. Neither of us noticed any girls there who appeared to be available. As a matter of fact, I am not positive but I think there were no girls in the cafe other than the waitresses the few times I went there in 2001. That is why we concentrated on the waitresses. (By the way, almost all were lookers). The only non-waitresses around there were streetwalkers on the street outside the Relax Cafe.
My friend flirted with the waitresses in the Relax Cafe quite a bit but didn't find any takers. We would have noticed it even if it was very subtle. Hopefully things are better now. Can you quote prices at the Relax Cafe for short time and all nite in US dollars? Are the waitresses now available also? Or is it just non-waitress girls inside the cafe?
Hi guys,
I used to live in Ha noi before, but I'm not sure if the Guoman Hotel in Ly Thuong Kiet Street is GF?
Any info is highly appreciated!
Guys,
I recommend you guys go to Do Son- HaiPhong. This place is awesome, girls are everywhere, you can choose until you happy plus they are friendly, and hardworking. Price is very cheap $10 USA + tips if you want to, normally around 5-10 USA tips, but up to you guys. Have fun. (go there, and ask they will lead you to paradise).
Colony2007
05-10-07, 08:53
Hi guys,
I used to live in Ha noi before, but I'm not sure if the Guoman Hotel in Ly Thuong Kiet Street is GF?
Any info is highly appreciated!I am not too sure, but it is unlikely. The only lifts are in full view of receptionists, and the hotel is located too openly. Moreover, many of the regular guests are old men and women. Not good signs.
Colony2007
05-10-07, 09:05
Guys,
I recommend you guys go to Do Son- HaiPhong. This place is awesome, girls are everywhere, you can choose until you happy plus they are friendly, and hardworking. Price is very cheap $10 USA + tips if you want to, normally around 5-10 USA tips, but up to you guys. Have fun. (go there, and ask they will lead you to paradise).Are you talking about Do Son Hotel near Haiphong port city ? That is 90 minutes by car from Hanoi.
One Wing Low
05-15-07, 01:45
When Duong first launched New Century Club a few years ago, there were rumors that he bribed Hanoi police to raid his competition, causing most other clubs to close, leaving New Century the only in club in town. He subsequently raked in a lot of money, averaging US$50K profit a night, enough to spend on many luxury items, including a MBZ Maybach parked in the lot.
Most nights there are a lot of young girls hanging out in the club with rich old boy friends, or just hanging out hoping to catch moneyed BF's. There are always a few pro's stationing near the entrance eyeing potential clients. The drinking, smoking, drugging, dancing, fraternizing... by a large crowd of young people in this club every night are viewed as Western decadence and must be a thorn on the side for the old men in the ruling party. They know local police hierarchy is on payoff to turn blind eyes to illegal acitivities that go on inside and outside the club.
It's wise to remember that Vietnam is tightly ruled by a small group of old men in Hanoi. They have absolute power to decide what is right or wrong, what is legal or not, and the approriate sentences for any perceived crimes. The constitution, laws, congress, judicial systems...are just window dressings, who are rewarded mainly for their loyalty to the Communist Party.
This is an article in the local newspaper
Nearly 500 armed police officers Saturday raided the New Century Club in Hanoi, northern Vietnam’s hippest nightclub, detaining 1,163 people, including foreigners, on suspicion of drug use and distribution.
The sting was a classified operation by the central Ministry of Public Security’s General Police Department. Even the Hanoi police force knew nothing about it.
Though the club owner Nguyen Dai Duong was not present, he was detained later.
A venue for the wealthy and chic, New Century is one of the biggest and most expensive nightclubs in Vietnam.
addicted for 5 months.
This is an article in the local newspaper
Nearly 500 armed police officers Saturday raided the New Century Club in Hanoi, northern Vietnam’s hippest nightclub, detaining 1,163 people, including foreigners, on suspicion of drug use and distribution.
The sting was a classified operation by the central Ministry of Public Security’s General Police Department. Even the Hanoi police force knew nothing about it.
Hi Guys,
Is the New Century Club shut down, or back in business? I'm headed to Hanoi in a few days and the New Century Club sounded like about the best (surest?) place to find a 2 hour date. If its open, is it deserted, or somewhat back in action?
Any suggestions on the best alternatives? I'll read back through the posts but won't have time until just before leaving.
Thanks in advance for any help (much appreciated).
Is the New Century Club shut down, or back in business?
Closed, probably for some time, if not permanently!! Most other places currently keeping low profile.
Road Lover
05-25-07, 10:26
Forget to bring a girl into Sofitel Hanoi. Security will stop you and you will be asked to book a room for your girl. Best thing you can do is to go to the New Century dance club, which is 5 min. by cab from the hotel. Here you will find tons of nice and beautiful girls at the bar. They do have private places around and its secure to follow them there. Unfortunately you´ll have to pay for the room there as well and they´ll charge you appr. USD 20. Girls with excellent service are available from USD 30 on.
Thanks for this advise. But now that New Century has been closed, is there any other similar suggestion, that I could follow? Thanks and sorry for being a repeat pest.
Hi Guys,
Is the New Century Club shut down, or back in business? I'm headed to Hanoi in a few days and the New Century Club sounded like about the best (surest?) place to find a 2 hour date. If its open, is it deserted, or somewhat back in action?
Any suggestions on the best alternatives? I'll read back through the posts but won't have time until just before leaving.
Thanks in advance for any help (much appreciated).Closed permanent!!! But there will be a new one similar openning soon in Cau Giay District.
Try out the bars in Bao Khanh and Ta Hien st, they all closed at midnite, the girls used to hang out in New Century now move to those places.
I was there last week and it's packed.
I'm looking to visit Vietnam early next year (Jan or Feb) for some mongering, oh and to ride the Ho Chi Minh Trail on a motorbike. Could any forum members recommend a good outfit to do the HCMT? I have a couple of recommendations from the Dancing Roads site in Cambodia where I went last year. The riding was good, the girls in Phnom Penh and Siem Reap rode better.
Any advice would be gratefully received.
Cheers
Expatcat
There is a new massage place on Hang Chuoi/Phanh Chu called Kingstons where they like to give you a confusing price list that is written so small that you cannot read it properly. After your one hour massage (plus half hour in the tub) they charge you 300,000VND - and that was after I have given a tip of 150,000.
Yes the place is very clean with floor level lighting and a bath in the room and the girls are good looking. But mine, though very good looking, kept looking over her shoulder to see if anyone was looking in (although that could have been part of the show too).
Road Lover
06-10-07, 07:58
Dance club having being closed, I was recued to receiving hand wanks in massage parlours. One in the parlour opposite the Hilton and the other at Kingston.
The Kingston experience was interesting in that the girl wa god and despite not speaking Viet, we managed to arrnage that she will come to myhotel room late in at night after her work at the massage place finishes. Incidentally Kingston is advertised widely in the timeout magazine and in the onlyENglish newspaper I could find in Hanoi. I thought she wa serious. SHe even gave me her phone number. And at 12.30 at night when she said she will come, she phoned to say no.
SO guys you have hope. Try this place. Decent massage. Bath and wash and all definitely a HJ is on offer. I think you can hook up to meet the girl later. My schedule did not permit me to do so to give a confirmed report. Also speaking Viet I think would help, even though the girl on phone and at reception spoke in English and suggested that I talk to the girl directly about coming to hotel alter.
I plan to visit North Vietnam and Central Vietnam (but not Ho Chi Minh City or the South) this October. Anyone visiting either of these areas and looking for a travel companion, please PM me. Thanks
I know the New World Disco in Hanoi closed. Is that permanent? What about the other clubs in Hanoi? Did Apacolypse Now close also? What about Relax Cafe and 17 Saloon? Do these places still have available girls? Isn't there still some monger action at these places, or has everything in Hanoi shut down?
17 sallon is open. I did not see any obvious working girls, the waitresses will flirt with you and let you buy them drinks, but I don't think you can get very far on the first few nights. Since I wan't alone I did not realy investigate deeply. Closing time was quite early at 11 pm sharp.
I know the New World Disco in Hanoi closed. Is that permanent? What about the other clubs in Hanoi? Did Apacolypse Now close also? What about Relax Cafe and 17 Saloon? Do these places still have available girls? Isn't there still some monger action at these places, or has everything in Hanoi shut down?
Last December, I made an immediate hookup with a freelancer seated at the 17 Saloon bar. Her manner of dress (black, faux, patent leather) left no doubt about her status. One drink and we adjourned to a nearby mini chosen by her.
Relax, on the other hand, was full of eye candy, but I didn't attempt a takeout. My sense was that it was probably not available for a first time tourist visitor.
Ronin Valcho
07-08-07, 07:23
Hi,
People,
I am visiting Hanoi mid August for 5 days and am staying at Fortuna.
I am looking for some action.
Please suggest the best.
Ronin
Hi,
People,
I am visiting Hanoi mid August for 5 days and am staying at Fortuna.
I am looking for some action.
Please suggest the best.
RoninAre you crazy, you'll be sleeping on top of one of the few places in town. OK it has been a few months since my last visit there, but I'm sure that it is still humming. The take-out fee is about $24, but you can always try to get a girl to meet you outside or at another destination after the bar closes at midnight. For other details search this forum.
Ronin Valcho
07-11-07, 11:29
Are you crazy, you'll be sleeping on top of one of the few places in town. OK it has been a few months since my last visit there, but I'm sure that it is still humming. The take-out fee is about $24, but you can always try to get a girl to meet you outside or at another destination after the bar closes at midnight. For other details search this forum.Dear Namsao,
Thanks a lot , what would be the rate prevailing for ST and LT and do Hanoi have an escort service , and is it possible to contact any Hanoi female prior to reaching hanoi, I know too many? But I await your reply and guidance.
Are you crazy, you'll be sleeping on top of one of the few places in town. OK it has been a few months since my last visit there, but I'm sure that it is still humming. The take-out fee is about $24, but you can always try to get a girl to meet you outside or at another destination after the bar closes at midnight. For other details search this forum.
Can you tell us the name and location of the club the Fortuna Hotel is on top of?
Is the Fortuna Hotel expensive? How much are rooms? Is it guest friendly?
The night club in the Fortuna is the place I was refering to. A quick search of this forum would have revealed this. Next time please do the research.
The going rates in January were ST $60, LT$100. With the bar fine this is pretty steep, but there are not many choices in Hanoi.
I am not sure of the current rates for the hotel. Hotel prices in Hanoi and HCMC are increasing a lot at the moment and I have not stayed in the hotel recently. I actually prefer the hotel across the road, Oasis. The place is popular with Japanese travelers, but other nationalities should not be put off. The rates are pretty reasonable (about $50/night when I stayed there in January), clean and GF.
There is not call girl service in Vietnam - read the forum, to understand why.
Expatriate Guy
07-18-07, 00:38
there are a few massage parlours along the main road off the sheraton. walk out the main gate to the lane with the vine restaurant and wine boutique, turn right and walk to the main road, turn right at the main road and walk about 300m and look out for the big sauna, massage, etc sign. the price of a basic massage is vnd80k (around us$5) in a nice clean air-con room. there are several syts that you can chose from. chose a 25yo with a slim petite body. had a good massage followed by hj. she wouldn't take off her clothes but my hands were allowed to roam both upper and lower, plus peekaboo moments. a-cup perky boobs with cute pink nipples. tipped her vnd300k (us$19) and got a gf hug and a kiss from her. i think she was hinting that she could go with me to my hotel at one point. but since she couldn't speak english and i couldn't speak vietnamese, we couldn't get the details arranged.
went down to the nutz bar at the sheraton and was surprised by the presence of wgs on a tuesday night. was attracted by one of the waitresses there, but had too much to drink already and decided to head back instead.
Ronin Valcho
07-18-07, 09:54
Thanks Namsao, Sorry To Bother You , But My Plans Have Changed Company Has Done Booking In Dong Do Hotel Suite Room ,pls Help With Advice.
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Hi Ronin Valcho,
I sincerely appreciate your reports, but...
Would you please refrain from capitalizing the first letter of EVERY word in your reports!
It's difficult to read, it's time consuming to fix, and it takes you more work to write like that.
On behalf of myself and your fellow Forum Members: Thank You!
Jackson
Ronin Valcho
07-21-07, 21:31
Hi,
Is the Dong Do Hotel girl friendly that anyone is aware of?
I'm gonna be down in Hanoi from Tues till Friday staying at the Sheraton. Good news that there are some WGs available at the Nutz bar. How do you get them up to the room?
If anybody else is in Hanoi and interested in accompanying me in girl searching, I would be happy to have some company.
Visited the nightclub over the weekend and note that the bar fine system has now changed. The bar charges $25+ just to let a girl sit with you for any more than a few seconds. Makes negotiations for after close activities difficult without forking out a far sum.
Anyway I must say that there was a lot more talent in the club over the weekend, a real improvement from six months ago. With the Party conference on at the moment the girls seemed a bit starved of action, thus making the experience even more satisfying.
Ended up with a very nice lass for a LT at a neighbouring hotel. Have her number now, so no need to spend $25 next time!
Does anyone know if the Hilton is GF? If not, can you recommend any ST places nearby. Details and costs would be really appreciated.
OK, I know I'll get snapped at again for not doing my research. I guess I wasn't cut out to be a librarian.
What is the difference between the Boss Niteclub and the KTV club, both in the Fortuna Hotel? Are they the same? If different, which is less of a ripoff?
Ronin Valcho
08-15-07, 06:53
Hi guys,
Reaching Hanoi on 20th ,still no replies on Dong do hotel ,is it GF awaiting replies from regulars like Namsao.
I appreciate the help.
Hi guys,
I'm just wondering. If you want to know if a hotel is GF, can you actually call them & find out about their policy for bringing girls to your room? Or is it something you just have to ask them once you're there?
Thanks
Hi guys,
I'm just wondering. If you want to know if a hotel is GF, can you actually call them & find out about their policy for bringing girls to your room? Or is it something you just have to ask them once you're there?
ThanksThe best way to find out is to ask the girls themselves. I accept that this isn't so good if your a first timer in town, but I can confirm that the Fortuna and Oasis are both GF.
As a general rule of thumb, all three star and below hotels which are not government owned are GF.
Hilton? still don't know. Girl I was with said it was sometimes, didn't want to test it out.
BTW, if you are staying at a non-GF hotel make sure you leave the bar or nightclub early. I left with a girl at 12:10 last week, only to spend 50 minutes traveling all over the city trying to find a hotel for a ST. We ended up going to 5 mini-hotels before we found one open.
Ronin Valcho
08-19-07, 09:33
Hey man,
I have seen some great reports about you, I am reaching on20th aug, and staying at Dong Do Hotel, would like to catch up with you, if you can leave your number at the front desk of the hotel, will call you up, just tell them a guest will ask for this, CHAO.
Getting It On
08-23-07, 13:06
first time in hanoi and saw all the hot syts on motorcycles zooming about the city centre. most had really sexy bodies.
was looking forward with meeting a customer for dinner and relaxation. insisted that i join them to destress after a whole day working.
went to a mp somewhere underground of a relatively big hotel. forgot to take note of the name. we were whisked away so fast after alighting the taxi. the entrance is at the right side when you face the hotel.
was immediately ushered to a vip room with a massage table + mini sauna + jacuzzi.
sop: exfoilating + jacuzzi + sauna + massage
face: 7
body: 7
age: 21
name: q
during the jacuzzi, she washed me all over including waking up my cock. and dring the massage, she used finger to run all over my ass and balls while i lay on my stomach. and massaged my balls so i obliged by lifting my ass up a bit for her to reach my cock.
played abit. asked for bj but she say vnd 500, 000. i said crazy. but she started to bbbj but i stopped her. insisted to cover what she was doing with a towel. bad bit is that the door has a big see-tru window directly on the massage table. so no discreetion for people walking outside.
i didn't even cum and she kept pestering me for a tip. so managed to bargain until vnd 200, 000 for tips. what a rip-off. but gave me her number and offer to come to my hotel in the morning for usd$150 for 3 hours 30 mins because she has to work in the afternoon.
what do you guys think? should i bargain for less? is it safe to use my mobile to contact her? and give her my room number? will this be a scam or will she cry [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)? how much should i give her? how about tips?
its my first time in hanoi. and i have rtff but not much info. so main thing is if she is clean, std free, purely sex and not going to call her gang to blackmail me.
do they come back the next day to the room to find you without you asking them to come? i'm staying with a friend thats the problem. will slip him out tonight but tomorrow he is coming back.
i miss china now that this is happening to me in hanoi. i'm living very near sheraton at the west lake. thang loi
Getting It On
08-23-07, 16:03
first time in hanoi and saw all the hot syts on motorcycles zooming about the city centre. most of these syts had really sexy bodies. was eager for some nightlife.
and in the evening i was looking forward with meeting a customer for dinner and relaxation. the vietnamese really know how to insist. i succumbed joining them to destress after a whole day working.
went to a mp somewhere at a basement of a relatively big hotel. forgot to take note of the name. we were whisked away so fast after alighting the taxi. the entrance is at the right side when u face the hotel.
then after our host talked to the manager, i was immediately ushered to a vip room with a massage table + mini sauna + jacuzzi. i think they forgot about changing into pjs and slippers. immediately started the whole thing.
sop: exfoilating + jacuzzi + sauna + massage
face: 7
body: 7
age: 21
name: q
during the jacuzzi, she washed me all over including waking up my cock and during the massage, she used finger to run all over my ass and balls while i lay on my stomach and massaged my balls. obviosly i obliged by lifting my ass up a bit for her to reach my cock. this must be their way of tempting you.
i was rather passive as i had been drinking loads. bu i finally was game and played abit with her leg. she pointed to my cock for hj but i asked for bj and she started with vnd 500, 000. i said crazy. but she started to bbbj but i stopped her. who knows how much she will charge for this if i allowed it to happen. then i said vnd300, 000 but she insisted to cover what she was doing with a towel.
hated this as no view of the action and if its without towel, people outside can look in. this is the bad bit as door has a big see-tru window directly on the massage table. so no discreetion for people walking outside.
so i got tired of the whole thing (less than 90 seconds) and asked her to stop. i didn't even cum and she kept pestering me for a tip. so managed to bargain until vnd 200, 000 for tips. what a rip-off. but gave me her number and offer to come to my hotel in the morning for usd$150 for 3 hours 30 mins because she has to work in the afternoon.
what do you guys think? should i bargain for less? is it safe to use my mobile to contact her? and give her my room number? will this be a scam or will she cry [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)? how much should i give her? how about tips?
its my first time in hanoi. and i have rtff but not much info. any idea if she is clean, std free, purely sex and not going to call her gang to blackmail me.
do they come back the next day to the room to find you without you asking them to come? i'm staying with a friend thats the problem. will slip him out tonight but tomorrow he is coming back.
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Getting It On
08-23-07, 16:10
first time in hanoi and saw all the hot syts on motorcycles zooming about the city centre. most of these syts had really sexy bodies. was eager for some nightlife.
and in the evening i was looking forward with meeting a customer for dinner and relaxation. the vietnamese really know how to insist. i succumbed joining them to destress after a whole day working.
went to a mp somewhere at a basement of a relatively big hotel. forgot to take note of the name. we were whisked away so fast after alighting the taxi. the entrance is at the right side when u face the hotel.
then after our host talked to the manager, i was immediately ushered to a vip room with a massage table + mini sauna + jacuzzi. i think they forgot about changing into pjs and slippers. immediately started the whole thing.
sop: exfoilating + jacuzzi + sauna + massage
face: 7
body: 7
age: 21
name: q
during the jacuzzi, she washed me all over including waking up my cock. and during the massage, she used finger to run all over my ass and balls while i lay on my stomach and massaged my balls so i obliged by lifting my ass up a bit for her to reach my cock. this must be their way of tempting you.
played abit with her leg. she pointed to my cock for hj but i asked for bj and she started with vnd 500, 000. i said crazy. but she started to bbbj but i stopped her. who knows how much she will charge for this if i allowed it to happen. then i said vnd300, 000 but she insisted to cover what she was doing with a towel.
hated this as no view of the action and if its without towel, people outside can look in. this is the bad bit as door has a big see-tru window directly on the massage table. so no discreetion for people walking outside.
so i got tired of the whole thing (less than 90 seconds) and asked her to stop. i didn't even cum and she kept pestering me for a tip. so managed to bargain until vnd 200, 000 for tips. what a rip-off. but gave me her number and offer to come to my hotel in the morning for usd$150 for 3 hours 30 mins because she has to work in the afternoon.
what do you guys think? should i bargain for less? is it safe to use my mobile to contact her? and give her my room number? will this be a scam or will she cry [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)? how much should i give her? how about tips?
its my first time in hanoi. and i have rtff but not much info. any idea if she is clean, std free, purely sex and not going to call her gang to blackmail me.
do they come back the next day to the room to find you without you asking them to come? i'm staying with a friend thats the problem. will slip him out tonight but tomorrow he is coming back.
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Ronin Valcho
08-24-07, 11:41
Hey buddy,
I am too in Hanoi wanna catch?
sop: exfoilating + jacuzzi + sauna + massage
face: 7
body: 7
age: 21
name: q
she pointed to my cock for hj but i asked for bj and she started with vnd 500, 000. i said crazy. but she started to bbbj but i stopped her. who knows how much she will charge for this if i allowed it to happen. then i said vnd300, 000 but she insisted to cover what she was doing with a towel.
gave me her number and offer to come to my hotel in the morning for usd$150 for 3 hours 30 mins because she has to work in the afternoon.
what do you guys think? should i bargain for less? is it safe to use my mobile to contact her? and give her my room number? will this be a scam or will she cry [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)? how much should i give her? how about tips?
its my first time in hanoi. and i have rtff but not much info. any idea if she is clean, std free, purely sex and not going to call her gang to blackmail me.
do they come back the next day to the room to find you without you asking them to come? i'm staying with a friend thats the problem. will slip him out tonight but tomorrow he is coming back.according to your descriptions of the girl, she's worth $30 the most. 100-150k for hj & 150-200k for bj. for $150, you should be able to get one close to model quality. i would pay 500k for a massage girl whose looks is about an 8.
if you're worried her calling you at the wrong time, why don't you get another sim card or even better, get another phone? this way she can't call you on your business phone. i don't think she would come without you requesting it. if you're worried about her blackmailing you, just give her your hotel name & tell her to meet you at the lobby. as soon as you see her, tell her to turn off her phone, so that she can't contact anyone while she's in your room. after the deed, move to a different room. give her 50-100k if you were a performer. anything the sws make with their own effort/time, they keep. no sharing with anybody else whatsoever.
std free? don't bet on it. just to "playsafe", i always cover myself. no daty with sws or even girls who have slept w/a million guys before me. one minute of fun can cost you your life.
i said this once already, but i will say it again since a lot of people complain about how expensive the girls at clubs or bars are. when you spend $100 on a sw at the club, she probably gets to keep about 50% of it, if not less. she has to pay all kinds of people behind the scene. mamasan/papasan, the mafia, the loan sharks, her brand name clothes, cosmetic products, & expensive motorbike. she has invested a lot of her time & money in order to get to the bars/clubs. she doesn't just come straight from the farm to the club. they don't live the life style like factory working girls. they do have a lot of expenses & a lot of these girls have gambling problems as well. some of them even have to feed their boyfriends so they stay with them. comparing between the wages of the factory workers & these sws is not a very good way to decide how much we should pay for p4p. but, in any case, somebody must have paid for it or else the prices wouldn't be so high.
if you want something cheap, i suggest you try the motorbike girls & the ones by the zoo. that's just my 2 cents.
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Silly Puppy
08-24-07, 18:26
If you can bring her back to YOUR hotel then you are safe. There is no way she (or her gang) can blackmail you. I can't say about STD, though. This is a risky hobby so never do it without condom.
However, $150 for 3 to 4 hrs seems pretty stiff even it is cheap compared to Western standard. I'd bargain down to $100 and see how it goes then tip her another $10 if she sticks to the promise. There are some Hanoi girls who charge 1mil dong ($60) per shot and they are model quality if you are a Hanoi local guy and know where to look for them. Many Vietnamese do not want to share them with foreigners. Since she is a massage girl ~300K dong/hour is expected in Hanoi but it is hard to get this deal due to the simple fact that you are a foreigner.
Getting It On
08-26-07, 15:50
Thanks Playsafe, Silly Puppy for your feedback. Sorry Ronin, couldn't squeeze anytime to arrange a time out. I'm here on business and was like a double agent.
Called the massage girl that morning and she didnt said sorry. Can you believe it! Well, I was saving my load for her. Damn it!
Anyway, to explain, I am sharing a room with with a colleague and on a tight business trip. So I'll report on my ongoings when i have the time. He is coming back in about 20 mins. So this is what i can cram into this report.
I've gotten good bearings and map reading of Hanoi. And i can provide some info on mongering activities for ya. Saw some Cat Tocs and will tell you guys when i have my sampling. Until then, i'm getting blue balls!
Hey buddy,
I am too in Hanoi wanna catch?Hei, Ronin Valcho. I phoned to Dong Do Hotel. No guest names Ronin Valcho. I can't catch you. You can catch a taxi and tell driver to take you to Relax Bar (25 Ly Thuong Kiet street). Girls look okay in this bar. Have fun and take care!
Ronin Valcho
08-27-07, 12:20
No problem getting it on, maybe next time, well I saw this place at fortuna, well the place has some beautiful vietnamese lass and the rate is $60 for ST and $100 for LT with $25 for the Mamasa, but be choosy and confirm first what you want for avoiding any dissapointment. Had this female for ST thats 1 1/2 hr fucked her all positions except the Arse, and came 3 times, wow it was real fun. Well till next time chao.
Getting It On
08-28-07, 08:22
I tried to post this yesterday. I didn't come out. SO repost. Ok. Here is some info and the report of my second outing.
There is a narrow road called Yen Phu starting from Sheraton leading to Sofitel Plaza. In between there is a hotel called Thang Loi. All of which sits at West Lake.
If you are walking from Thang Loi Hotel or Sheraton, it will take you about less than 500m. If not, it will be about 10 mins walk from Sofitel Plaza. Walk along Yen Phu or Nghi Tam (main road). Both roads are parallel. If you walk on the main road. Nghi Tam, you will pass a Honda Dealer Showroom. You will see a Bac Doc Hotel (if I remember correctly). It has a large pink SAUNA. MASSAGE signboard.
Remember it is a hotel. But I found out it has 3 levels of 'service'. Enter directly and you will be greeted by the receptionist and you will already have menu's with prices. Basic massage $8 to VVIP massage $25. Basic is at level 3, if you want VIP or VVIP service its at levels 4 & 5 and you will be accompanied by a manager.
I opted for the VVIP. Led up and somehow, I wasnt undressed or watever. So waited at the very sitting small area for the room to be ready. I suppose thats because the sauna + jacuzzi + massage are all built-in. Agreed with the first girl sent. These MPs have standard uniforms. This one had ample cleavage on sight.
SOP: undressed. She then placed very small towel at the strategic areas. Started with scrub. Then wash off. Sauna. Bath. Allowed groping and free hand movement. Hesitated at the pussy but finally she gave in for me to make it from dry to wet. Which washing me in the tub, I slipped half my finger into her pussy. Then she stopped. But she started to tug at the rod.
Went to the sauna and dried off. Began massage. Was really good. Then she flipped me back and then off came the tiny towel as I was raging hard already. She teased a bit and asked if I wanted a HJ. I said no, I want a BJ. She immediately grabbed my cock and gave me a good suction BJ. Didn't do CIM.
Face: 7
Body: 8
Name: i forgot (its usually 1 syllable)
Damage: USD$25 (massage) + VND 300k (Tips)
Time: 2 hours
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Getting It On
08-28-07, 08:43
Third outing. walked along Nghi Tam road. If you walk from Sofitel Plaza you will notice a wider road, that is Nghi Tam road. Less than 30 meters walking on the road, you will see at least 3 Cat Tocs on the Left side. I skipped the first and went for the second one. All these Cat Tocs have darkened doors/windows. So just went inside, was a very shabby basic barbershop look. Then mamasan asked 'massage'? I said yes. Asked to go up to the first floor. there had 3 beds with curtain partitions.
Less than 3 mins later, mummy + girl comes up. Face: 3, Body: 3, Age: 30++ Mummy said Cat Toc, HJ and BJ no boom boom. I said change girl. Another comes up. Was worse than the first. With no Vietnamese in hand, communication was terrible! Said sorry and left. Went to the next one further down. Went in, same proceedure.
Waited and an OK looking Viet came up. I was horny as hell and just wanted a quick release. Managed with sign language and lotsa patience to get a BJ and HJ and massage. Damn it, just wanted release! There was another girl and i asked her to leave but she thought i wanted 2 girls. I tried to negotiate for CIM. But got lost in translation.
So pushed the additional girl out and she started to point to my cock and asked me to undress. Ok, pull up her top and bra and down her jeans and panties. Bushy pussy and very dry. Started with HJ and i thought it was too long and asked her to blow me. She took some wet wipes and started but was really lousy. Kept on using HJ more than BJ. So I spit and tried to get her wet but she was as dry as the arabian desert. very dark nipples which were long but thin. Breasts were 31A and had stretch marks on stomach i noticed.
I made myself cum asap and wanted CIM. pushed her head when i exploded but she shut her mouth with her teeth. My load did get into her mouth and she just spit out and that was that.
Just took the old towel and wiped my cock and she didnt even rinse her mouth or wash anything. I asked to wash my hands but she said no bathroom so thankfully i had a bottle of water with me which i cleaned next to my bed!
Asked for the massage ..hopefully that will save the terrible experience. I said now for massage. Wore back my underwear (dirty place it was). The massage was the lousiest i've ever experienced. no technique and stupid banging just for sounds. And less than 10 mins later, i said enough. Thank you. Bye bye.
Face: 5
Body: 4
Damage: VND 100k (House) + VND 200k (girl)
Age: 30++
Damn it. I have had enough of these places in Hanoi. Lousy place to monger.
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Getting It On
08-28-07, 08:57
along nghi tam road, there are 2 'big' sauna + mps, cat tocs and nga nghi's
walk from sofitel plaza onto nghi tam road towards sheraton. on your left, there will be 3-4 cat tocs. choose wisely!
walk on less than 100ms and there will be a big white coloured with coconut trees (i think) and christmas lights on the right with massage + sauna.
walk further and there will be the pink sign (sauna + massage) which i mentioned in my earlier posts. next to the honda showroom.
if you walk further down (nearer to sheraton), there is another massage sauna (bamboo/wood walls).
at the giang vo road, the bao san has a massage place at the basement. enter on right side of the building, there are steps down.
at the city centre, there are rep001tered cat tocs in the old quarters. just keep your eyes wide open. there is a mp just at the fountain roundabout at the thang long water puppet. stand in front of the thang long water puppet, and you will see a small roundabout with a water fountain (ho hoan kiem road). once at the roundabout, you will see the highland coffee and citibank at the building which will look like the front of a ship. you will notice a massage sign there. walk up.
there are a few more near the hanoi towers. sorry i dont remember the roads but all is walking distance from the point of origin.
had terrible experience in vietnam.
next stop! china!
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Anyone know the room rate per nite of the Fortuna Hotel? Several posters have written that it is guest friendly, but have not mentioned the room rate.
Hello,
By the way, I recomend Dragon Hotel, close to Sheraton.
Bye!
How is the neighborhood near the Dragon Hotel? Much happening there? Is it out of the way? Is it far from the Fortuna Hotel?
How is the neighborhood near the Dragon Hotel? Much happening there? Is it out of the way? Is it far from the Fortuna Hotel?Henry R,
The Sheraton Hotel is about 20 minutes from the Fortuna Hotel (about VND50.000 taxi ride). According to the recent reports not worth making the trip.
BTW I've been out a few times recently in Hanoi and past 11pm, when most bars close, the taxi drivers always suggest the nightclub at the Sheraton for mongering. I've been a few times but never been impressed. Has anyone had much action from here?
Namsao-
You wrote today that it is not worth taking the trip from the Sheraton to the Fortuna Hotel. Does that mean that both the nightclub and karoeke bar downstairs at the Fortuna are not worth visiting? Any details? You can PM me if you prefer. Thanks.
No Henry, I was refering to the Sheraton and surrounding area as "not recommended". The Fortuna is my most recommended venue in Hanoi.
Hello gentlement, I want to bring my honey ko to Vietnam from Philippines, into either Hanoi or Ho Chi Minh city.
Can anyone recomment discount airlines which fly these routes?
Regards,
Gangles
gentlemen,
Further to my earlier request for info.
When I was working in Vietnam a couple of years ago, it was essential to show marriage certificate for man and woman to book into one room.
I want to bring my gf from Phils for a vacation in Hanoi in October.
Are there any hotels where we can book into one room, when we are not married, without paying for a second room? I expect that we will stay for about a week.
best
Gangles.
gentlemen,
Further to my earlier request for info.
When I was working in Vietnam a couple of years ago, it was essential to show marriage certificate for man and woman to book into one room.
I want to bring my gf from Phils for a vacation in Hanoi in October.
Are there any hotels where we can book into one room, when we are not married, without paying for a second room? I expect that we will stay for about a week.
best
Gangles.
Try Heart Hotel - small place in the Old Quarter.
Last time I went to Hanoi, I rented a bike and rode across the river by the "old bridge" that was bombed frequently by the US Forces during the war.
There, I discovered a very interesting quaint looking Guest House, the Nam Hai Guest house (picture I will try to post here).
There were all sorts of people (local couples) checking for what was obviously day time trysts! And small bunches of young girls were also arriving and being shown to some people. My lack of local language did not help me in trying to find out more except to take pics of the place.
Anyone has knowledge of this place and how to get the most out of it and other similar joints?
Nothing in this forum on this so far.
Thanks.
C.
Last time I went to Hanoi, I rented a bike and rode across the river by the "old bridge" that was bombed frequently by the US Forces during the war.
There, I discovered a very interesting quaint looking Guest House, the Nam Hai Guest house (picture I will try to post here).
There were all sorts of people (local couples) checking for what was obviously day time trysts! And small bunches of young girls were also arriving and being shown to some people. My lack of local language did not help me in trying to find out more except to take pics of the place.
Anyone has knowledge of this place and how to get the most out of it and other similar joints?
Nothing in this forum on this so far.
Thanks.
C.That side of the river is well known for Guest House for many years.
The Nam Hai GH is the most popular address for couple and call girls, but they dont have the services to call for you.
Most of the couple went there is in love. Anyone going in alone is has some one to come later or waiting inside.
Every other places in that area is the same.
Try to get a decent Viet friend and they can call someone for you. Especially 25-35 y.o group.
Good luck.
Gangles,
You have to go through the 2nd room business or show a marriage licence only if you are with a Vietnamese girl. If your lady has a foreign passport, no problem, even if she is of Vietnamese parentage. You don't think that all the backpackers bring marriage licences whenever they travel to Hanoi. And can you imagine if you did produce a foreign marriage licence, say in Swedish, that anyone would even know what it was?
I travelled Vietnam last year with my thai gf and was totally unaware of any restrictions. We never had any difficulty in getting the rooms we wanted, like old hanoi or where ever. My guess is that they don't care at all what travelers do if viets are not involved. I cannot remember if she even had to show the passport. Be careful to ask for the exact rate, taxes, and check in and out times, otherwise they will try to take advantage.
No Henry, I was refering to the Sheraton and surrounding area as "not recommended". The Fortuna is my most recommended venue in Hanoi.
Thanks. Is the Fortuna Hotel your most recommended place because of the "Boss Niteclub" in the hotel or because of the Karoeke Bar there? Any details would be appreciated. You can PM me if you want. Thanks again.
Hello gents,
Thanks for the info.
Gangles
I was in hanoi for 10 days last year touring many places. I had my Thai GF with me and they never asked for anything in the Hotel or otherwise.
There are many laws in the books and many are rarely enforced. I believe if you get a Viet girl to stay with maybe there is a problem. It is just like phi, there is law saying guests are not allowed after 10 PM in the room. How many people got busted for that?
Visited the nightclub over the weekend and note that the bar fine system has now changed. The bar charges $25+ just to let a girl sit with you for any more than a few seconds. Makes negotiations for after close activities difficult without forking out a far sum.
Anyway I must say that there was a lot more talent in the club over the weekend, a real improvement from six months ago. With the Party conference on at the moment the girls seemed a bit starved of action, thus making the experience even more satisfying.
Ended up with a very nice lass for a LT at a neighbouring hotel. Have her number now, so no need to spend $25 next time!
Nice FR Namsao,
I am headed to Hanoi soon and wonder if you care to share her contact by PM? If not, its ok too.
Promise to be decent to her and btw, what was her LT charges?
Also, is it worth making a visit to check out the array of talents there at Fortuna?
Thanks in any case,
C.
Do Son Beach, near Haiphong, North Vietnam
The Beach
If I have to travel that far just to get to the beach, Do Son would be my last choice because the sand is dark & the waters murky. There was no attraction except to check out the action.
Someone posted that the seafood is good & it should be since there were many restaurants selling the stuff. For a lone traveler, it’s difficult to check this out without wasting a table full of food you can’t finish.
My attempt to order a fried fish, with a vegetable soup in local Viet style, boiled white rice ended up all wrong. I was given fried rice with pre-fried fish meat in the fried rice, a western style gluey seafood soup (tiny bowl) served before my main course western style, and a stir-fried “morning glory “served after my fried rice was finished. I would say the cooking was ordinary at the place where I ate. The entire bill including a bottle of beer was all of 81,000 dongs. Next to me, the locals were having what looked like a sumptuous meal for sure; it’s all about communicating what you want for sure!
Casino
Strangely enough, there is a Do Son Casino located at its loveliest headland on a hill overlooking the sea. My hotel man was always looking out for me as I wandered around the area and he picked me up on his motorcycle saying some words that sounded like “Casino”. Not knowing exactly what he was saying, (and thinking he was taking me to see women), I hopped on and soon was brought on a ride to the location of the Casino high up on the headland. On the way back, he took me on a road round that headland from where there were lovely views of the Ho Dau Beach Resort, a local attempt to beautify and develop a quality resort here at Do Son.
The rest of the Do Son area is littered with small hotels (pretty decent looking) and small shop house type guesthouses with an average pricing of 150,000 to 350,000 dongs at rack rates. Foreigners without prior discounted reservations would probably pay close to the listed rate. I was charged 200,000 dongs (rack rate 220,000 dongs) for my decent two-bedded room with a balcony and a moderate view of the outside although at that late Friday afternoon hour, most of the place was deserted. It was the second hotel I walked in to enquire.
The Town
Do Son town looked pretty busy as with all Vietnamese towns and MAY present mongering opportunities in terms of Karaoke & other higher end establishments if you can find them., During this short visit, I did not have the time to explore this at all & decided against spending an additional night groping around with no local knowledge since my primary objective of checking out the RLA on the beach was fulfilled.
The Red Light Area by the sea at Do Son Beach
The objective of my visit, the entire RLA is an inverted “Y” in terms of the roads. You can walk there from the main beach area in about 10 minutes. The entrance area consists of low terraced houses on both sides of the Y. The bottom of the Y is a single street with the sea on the right and the terraced shop houses on the left. At the entrance area moving to the bottom of the Y, there are some bigger hotel-like houses on the right. Further in, on the right, there are some open verandahs where you can sit in a breezy location to drink your beer and view the ladies outdoors.
When you enter the area, you will be waved to go into the house by the people outside. It’s best to take a walk in the entire area before deciding where to do your viewing and “heave-ho”.
After taking a slow deliberate walk to have an idea of the modus operandi, I settled myself at one of these verandahs and had a brief learning chat with the mami of the place. She was carrying a cordless handset from her land phone line like all mamis anywhere else in a *****house. Despite our communication difficulties, she was more than enthusiastic to show me the girls and started calling out.
Having read that the cost was 100,000 dongs, I indicated to the mami the amount to confirm the price and she shook her head and showed me 120,000 dongs. The difference was not going to change my life so I agreed.
I viewed several girls who she called over and they arrived on their bicycles. The quality was between 3-5 overall and I rejected them all purely because they all looked “sour” and unsmiling.
Somewhere from within, one of the house girls surfaced and was smiling and teasing in her manners with me. Quite far from perfect, I took her despite her many imperfections. I would score her about 4 on a scale of 10. After all, I had come all the way to Do Son to leave behind some of the little wrigglers that my body was producing each day. For the purpose of this report, I will call her smiley since I did not even ask her name.
Smiley sat her down to enjoy a drink while I continued to sip my beer which is a nice fluid I usually consume when I am in viewing mood.
Mami organized the room which to my surprise was not in the house, but beneath the same verandah where I was sitting. I took the room facing the sea and from within the small window, I had a “sea view”.
Tried my best to imagine I was in the one of the Balinese Villas facing the ocean with a local lass to administer appropriate treatment that comes with such luxury.
The reality was a clean simple room with a double bed and a small television with a video machine. Smiley had gone out to get some videos and soon found an appropriate video for us, two girls in pigtails and schoolgirl outfits servicing a handsome fella with a big one. That might help I thought to myself.
The room had a simple shower room with two small clean towels and some used soap in the receptacle.
She pulled off my clothes and undressed herself while I was on the bed watching the video. To my surprise, she did not lead me in to the shower to wash ourselves, standard operating procedure with all *****s in Asia that I have been with.
To my surprise, she pounced on swollen dicky and proceeded to give it the ice-cream treatment it was seeking with a skill level of about 2 out of 10. There was no subtlety nor variety, just pure sucking and licking at the knob without real deep throat. My thought wandered about the lack of oral hygiene and more. I quickly pulled out and went to wash the thing before returning to bed with my trusty pack of rubber in hand. She would taken it “au-naturale” if that was my preference for sure.
Given the circumstances, I did not initiate any kissing nor was I persuaded that DATY was deserved.
For me, this was going to be “wham bang thank you mamm!”.
Gave her some treatment with my fingers before plunging in with my hummer and she reacted by closing her legs. Oh no! I thought, this won’t do! She won’t let my hips get in between those legs so shorty can thrust at will? I pulled out and showed her how to spread those legs. She opened up and closed up again as I pushed in! This went on for a few times so, I let her get comfortable with the shallow shoves as it was useless to fight that move.
Changing method, I clasped her body close and let her insert me at her will. Those legs which first refused to open eased up a little and my hummer began to buzz. I sensed it was my chance to push for home and picked up the pace from there. A young slightly blumpy body with a tight shaft helped me to reach the point of no return. Those swimmers came rushing and I let her have it hard and fast.
When I had expelled all that “poison” from within, I pulled out and went to wash up, staying focused that I am probably in a high turnover heavy duty danger zone so taking extra care is not a bad thing. (This purely my own thoughts).
She went and washed up too and we both dressed up and clowned around a little with the camera. She would not let me take her photos at all. (Something I should have negotiated).
We then went upstairs where I paid Mami the 120,000 plus 20,000 for the beer and red bull. Took my leave and recommenced my wandering around.
Simply put, some houses have house girls while others don’t. If you take their house girl who they will show you, you go into one of the rooms and do your deed which should include BBBJ and FJ or other deeds which you could discuss before you agree to take the girl. Language is obviously the difficulty if you are not Vietnamese as in my case.
There was one house where there were 4 girls inside on the lounge set and I went in and loitered around. Young Papasan came in and he shook his head when I suggested taking one of the girls to my hotel for an overnight session. On my suggestion that I take her for ST at my hotel, he continued to shake his head and pointed me upstairs.
I laughed and said no as my dickie was already dead without possibility of revival for at least half an hour. Sat around & played around with the girls with my pocket translator and they found me funny to laugh at because of the communication difficulties I was having.
Once “thawed” I found the girls without attitude although initially, most of them did not smile naturally. The young papasan and the girls did allow me a few photographs which I took just to show readers the average looks and quality you get here. I would think it would be about the same you get in Cambodia at the low end shacks that have now ceased operations outside Phnom Penh due to NGO action.
On that late Friday afternoon, there were about 20 to 30 girls moving about from house to house and all on bicycles. Customers were just a handful of people like me. I would imagine that in the Do Son area, if someone wanted a viewing, they would go to one of the small hotels within and outside of the RLA and a call would be made for the girl to cycle over for the viewing until a choice is made.
I nicknamed them the “cycling butterflies” and began to enjoy viewing them as they cycled by me each time.
A bad throat (sore & ticklish) in Hanoi was breaking out that day and I went back to my room to sleep. That evening, I awoke at 9.30 pm. Walked back to the location and the same “tour” of the RLA to see if there was more talent at night that late Friday evening.
There were many taxis and cars mostly local people from Haiphong from what I was told. Many people sitting in the lounges while taxis and other private cars were parked wherever there was space. Girls coming and going on bicycles for the viewing. During that walk, I would estimate that there are about 30 to 50 girls in the entire area moving about. The quality that night looked a little better than in the day. It could just be the lighting being dimmer.
A lovely looking cutie who I would rate about a 6 sat on a bicycle outside the house where I had paused that afternoon. She was “horsing around” with the young papasan who was rubbing himself on her on the bicycle. Papasan offered her to me and again, I proposed for her to go to my hotel room. He shook his head. I was not really up to a session and went back to suffer the night in my room alone. If I had not had that bad cough, I would have taken her upstairs for the ST session at that price of 120,000 dongs since she was the best looker in my eyes all day and evening.
If you like ST sessions and are in Hanoi, (with time to spare) I would recommend a one-two night stopover here in Do Son simply for the experience if nothing. 120,000 dongs is the equivalent of about US$7.50/- I understand that the locals pay around 90,000 to 100,000 dongs a shag.
Getting There
From Hanoi
Via Haiphong
By Train 5 times a day. Only the 5.50am train departs from Hanoi Station, the others leave from Long Bien Station. I was advised not to use the train by my hotel travel desk. To quote the lady, “the train is very uncomfortable and stops many times along the way.”
By bus from the local Luong Yen bus station at Tran Khanh Du – Duong Nguyen Khoai.
The bus fare was 30,000 dongs to Haiphong. On my return journey, I discovered that I had taken the wrong company bus at that station; sort of hijacked by that bus’s runner while the main operator runs a better and bigger bus for only 25,000 dongs at the station.
Also discovered that I could easily have waited for bus along the route which passes a point near my hotel (Tran Quang Khai) and saved myself the taxi ride to the bus station. Both ways, the bus drives at a snail’s pace to pick up passengers along the route as it leaves both Hanoi as well as Haiphong.
It continues to pick up passengers along the route wherever there are people seeking to board the bus. For the return leg, I managed to alight near the area of my hotel on the main road (Tran Quang Khai) and walked to my hotel in Hanoi’s Hoan Kiem area saving myself the taxi ride from the bus station.
From Haiphong, there’s another 20 kilometers to go to reach Do Son. A minibus service every 20 minutes from Haiphong gets you there. I could not work out where to get this bus. Since it was my first trip. Hopped into a metered taxi and he took me there. The meter ran all of 234,000 dongs. I made him circulate the entire beach area so I had a good idea of the layout of the place before I sent him away. This also allowed me to locate the “red light area” of Do Son Beach to ensure that I would not have to enlist another “guide” to locate it later. For the return journey, I managed to ask my hotel where to catch the bus and waited for it on the main road. Arriving in Haiphong, I did not manage to alight at a suitable nearby place to the bus station and had great difficulty until a kind mother and daughter put me in a taxi that got me to the station. That screw up cost me a 22,000 dong taxi ride.
My recommendation to anyone with little Vietnamese language ability to have ready to show photographs (in your digital camera) of the bus station and other important destinations or things to help describe what you want to local people. My pocket electronic translator with its words & phrases proved to be less adaptable when I needed it most but, it did help.
A note of appreciation to our friend "D" in Saigon and deptrai4u in Hanoi for advice and prep info where appropriate. Also to Mx for telling me about this place or I would not have heard of it.
Notes to pictures:
1) Hanoi - Haiphon Bus
2) Seafront verandah view of the ST houses looking inwards
3) The shophouse ST places, a road view
4) Road at the Y junction looking inwards with one girl on bicycle
5) Hon Dau Beach from up on the headland
6) Do Son Casino on the Headland from the RLA road end
7) Do Son Beach Front
8) Haiphong Bus Station - you could show this picture to the taxi or people so you can located it on your return journey form Do Son on the mini bus
9) Haiphon Hanoi bus ticket
10) Seafront verandah ST place, side view with room below.
More pictures:
11) & 12) Pictures of shop house guest houses not in RLA near beach.
Hey guys finally decided to change my destination and will be visiting hanoi/halong city for acouple of weeks next week anyone got any info on some of the better hotels and bars to stay at and check out or anything else mongering related I might find usefull. Many thanks.
Hey guys,
I finally decided to change my destination and will be visiting Hanoi/Halong city for acouple of weeks next week anyone got any info on some of the better hotels and bars to stay at and check out or anything else mongering related i might find usefull.
Many thanks.
Do Son Beach, near Haiphong, North Vietnam
If you like ST sessions and are in Hanoi, (with time to spare) I would recommend a one-two night stopover here in Do Son simply for the experience if nothing. 120,000 dongs is the equivalent of about US$20/- I understand that the locals pay around 90,000 to 100,000 dongs a shag.I think your are wrong about the exchange rate. Now the exchange rate is about 1usd=16,200 vnd, so a shag is about 7.5 usd. From what I heard the price for the locals would be the same. It is only that they can talk to the pimps and tell the pimps the types of girls they want. And of course you have to see the girls and decide if you want them or not. If you don't then just say "next".
I'll grab a map a.s.a.p. but if you're up for drinks, and willing to show me the ropes, then drop me a PM. See you later this week at the Daewoo.
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