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Playsafe
06-09-09, 00:01
In general, the better you dress, the better you'll be looked upon in bars and clubs by Vietnamese. Keep in mind that a club or disco is an expensive night out for Vietnamese, so of course they get dressed up. Shorts are considered much less polite than long pants, and not appropriate for anywhere you would go out for the evening. Same goes for sandals. If you showed up in t-shirt, shorts and sandals, they'd figure you were a clueless foreigner, not much class.

Now I'm not sure how strictly these rules apply to talking elephants like yourself. ;)
I agree. If you dress like business men, you'll be better served in restaurants & clubs. They generally think only poor people wear torn clothes. It's more true in the countryside.

Rob Doobing
06-09-09, 06:43
Nguyen Chi Thanh St. in D5 around midday, then again after dark. Lots there, and lots you will not want. Look carefully though, you will find something good. 150k-250k only.I went to check out there around midday. No sign of any activity. This is a very long street though, could you clarify which section is active?

Joe Nailer
06-09-09, 15:08
I agree. If you dress like business men, you'll be better served in restaurants & clubs. They generally think only poor people wear torn clothes. It's more true in the countryside.The thing is though, if you dress like a business man, then they charge you 10 times more of the real price they charge Vietnamese.

Joe Nailer
06-09-09, 15:42
I went to check out there around midday. No sign of any activity. This is a very long street though, could you clarify which section is active?Coming from D1, That's where NCT branches off Hung Vuong. It is about 500 yards of that stretch. Some stand on the left hand side, and some cruise on scooters up and down the stretch.

Do's and Don'ts

1. Avoid the woman on a pushbike with a mask on (ask her to remove the mask, she would refuse)

2. Avoid the monkey faced young gal who stands on the edge of the road.

3. Never ever pay in advance.

4. Fees = dont give more than 250K (50 for ST hotel, 200 max for her) I think 200K is already an inflated price.

5. They operate in the time spent basis. the above fees are for 15~20mins.

6. Bring your own condoms (their's tends to be too small)

7. Some ST hotel request your ID.So take your ID with you if you are willing to take risk for your personal info leaked or worse, if something goes wrong and you left your ID(passport) with the hotel, you may not get it back.
(When asked, I always say I dont have it. gal would take you to another ST hotel, and if they dont allow you in without ID, then that's tough. Try another day)

8. Dont compromise on your preference. If you think she is ugly, fat etc, then she will behave in that manner. Trust your instinct.

9. Dont get mad if gal suddenly turns into starfish. (That's why you dont pay in advance) Just give her a bit of money and leave quietly.

Johndao
06-09-09, 17:20
I went to check out there around midday. No sign of any activity. This is a very long street though, could you clarify which section is active?This street is crawling with action at Midday. On motorbikes, bicycles, standing around, sitting around. Open your eyes, look carefully. Beware, there is lots and lots of what you don't want here. Follow my advice and Joe Nailer's advice. Choose carefully, make them take the mask off and no money up front. I can tell you there is nothing dangerous here. The worst is just that she is ugly or has a terrible body. Hotels are 50-100k for an hour only. Girls get 100 at the lowest and up to 200k. Bring some kind of ID like a home country Driver License. Even an old or expired one.

See my map attached. The blue line shows the NCT action. This street is very crowded with students and others at midday to confuse things. Observe for a while, you will see what is going on.

The red arrow. This shows where a small group of older female pimps sells young girls (18 and 19) for 200k for a quick pop. Some of the girls are pretty cute. But don't expect much performance. In fact, on this whole strip don't expect much at at all, choose carefully and on average, 3 out of 5 times you will be pleasantly surprised.

JD

Playsafe
06-09-09, 19:55
The thing is though, if you dress like a business man, then they charge you 10 times more of the real price they charge Vietnamese.
If you don't know the market price, whether you're a backpacker or a local, the seller will try to overcharge you anyway.


See my map attached. The blue line shows the NCT action. This street is very crowded with students and others at midday to confuse things. Observe for a while, you will see what is going on.JD
The locals call it Nga Sau Nguyen Tri Phuong.

This area has long been a pick up place since the early 80s or & before all the hotels were built. The locals used to come here to get HJs right at the park.

It's not the safest area to be around, especially at night. I almost got robbed by motorbike thieves at night on Ngo Quyen & Nguyen Chi Thanh a couple of years ago.

Wendella
06-10-09, 05:00
The thing is though, if you dress like a business man, then they charge you 10 times more of the real price they charge Vietnamese.Anyone care for a little hyperbole? WHere to start. OK, how about here. Which place is it that charges ten times the price they charge locals?

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say it's possible this guy is making it up as he goes.

Wendella
06-10-09, 05:13
If you don't know the market price, whether you're a backpacker or a local, the seller will try to overcharge you anyway. The person who asked the question was asking about bars and clubs where freelancers go. So we're talking about places like Gossip, Volcano, etc. It's just not true that a customer is going to be charged more if they dress well in a place like that. 10 times the price? No, not even 1.05 times the price. But it's not totally clear if its the club or the freelancer he's referring to. But even if it's the girl, do you think wearing shorts and sandals in Gossip is going to get you some kind of 'locals' discount with a girl? That's silly.

There's people here who have expertise in certain segments of the scene, but not as much in others, and I wouldn't challenge them on what they say about those areas they know well if I don't actually know the score myself. This sounds to me like someone making comments on a scene he doesnt' really know that much about. Or else just venting. Not sure. Maybe he just really hates dressing up well.

Mik Hcmc
06-10-09, 05:21
Which place is it that charges ten times the price they charge locals?Tan Son Nhat Airport. 70-80K for a fresh coconut. 50K for a 500ml water.

Thats the only place I know that charges 10X the price, however thats for everyone, not just locals.

Milkweed
06-10-09, 07:34
See my map attached. The blue line shows the NCT action. This street is very crowded with students and others at midday to confuse things. Observe for a while, you will see what is going on.

The red arrow. This shows where a small group of older female pimps sells young girls (18 and 19) for 200k for a quick pop. Some of the girls are pretty cute. But don't expect much performance. In fact, on this whole strip don't expect much at at all, choose carefully and on average, 3 out of 5 times you will be pleasantly surprised.

JDI drove around NCT a few times today around 1pm. Didn't see anything. I'll try again. I did see some attractive girls sitting at a couple cafe's at the red arrow. What is the approach here? Park the bike, sit at the cafe, order a drink and see if they approach?

BTW, I live in D5 so any recommendations in this area would be very appreciated. Right now I am driving over to Da Kao Market area for the Hot Top fun. I'm usually happy there, but it is a long drive.

Joe Nailer
06-10-09, 12:40
anyone care for a little hyperbole? where to start. ok, how about here. which place is it that charges ten times the price they charge locals?

i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say it's possible this guy is making it up as he goes.well , quite touchy, isnt he.

what difference would it make if it is 2, 3 times 5 times, 10 times?

jeez, here is someone who takes "everything" literaly in this type of forum.

there is an expression called "a figure of speech".

Macheath
06-10-09, 16:58
This street is crawling with action at Midday. On motorbikes, bicycles, standing around, sitting around. Open your eyes, look carefully. Beware, there is lots and lots of what you don't want here. Follow my advice and Joe Nailer's advice. Choose carefully, make them take the mask off and no money up front. I can tell you there is nothing dangerous here. The worst is just that she is ugly or has a terrible body. Hotels are 50-100k for an hour only. Girls get 100 at the lowest and up to 200k. Bring some kind of ID like a home country Driver License. Even an old or expired one.

See my map attached. The blue line shows the NCT action. This street is very crowded with students and others at midday to confuse things. Observe for a while, you will see what is going on.

The red arrow. This shows where a small group of older female pimps sells young girls (18 and 19) for 200k for a quick pop. Some of the girls are pretty cute. But don't expect much performance. In fact, on this whole strip don't expect much at at all, choose carefully and on average, 3 out of 5 times you will be pleasantly surprised.

JDI got lost once in this area at night and so riding slowly got approached by several mb girls - general impression is older or very young, ordinary/poor looking and not going for the sexy look. Also many standing on footpaths of the same type. The street is also quite dark and to me didn't have a good feel to it. Haven't been there during daytime but have never noticed mb girls or street walkers anywhere during day time.

The other obvious areas for mb girls are/were on NTMK from Nguyen Binh Khiem to the Thi Nghe Channel, and then street girls standing on the bridge, and then over the channel up to where the road turns into XVNT. The two strips with mb girls are distinctly separate (if not a tautology) with the girls doing u turns and basically doing laps up and down their strip. Conservatively I'd estimate that there would be 15-20 girls cruising this area at any one time. Plenty of times I've seen girls handing off money to pimps, or maybe mb owners, swapping bikes with other girls etc.

Last time I went this way, at night a couple of weeks back, seemed like they'd disappeared from NTMK to the channel, and they're digging up the road from over the bridge so makes it difficult for mb cruising. My opinion was that these girls were mostly late teenage to early twenties, generally good looking, going for the sexy look - also this area is well lit so can see well what's on offer. These girls must have moved to a different strip - probably near by but don't know where.

Nearby is the area with best looking mb girls - on Nguyen Binh Khiem from Nguyen Dinh Chieu to the roundabout on Dien Bien Phu. Until quite recently used to be about 10-15 at a time cruising this strip, again doing laps and also turning into the first smaller street on the right after NDC. These girls ask for 500k, of course can negotiate, and hotels in this strip will take 100k although usually ask for 200 - just laugh and they'll give in. Also never give any ID - the girl will have to give hers but they'll let you in if you go to walk away.

Used to go to a good seafood place a lot on Nguyen Van Thu and would regularly ride down NBK, but cute waitress has moved on and so have I so don't visit so often. Last time I went past a couple weeks back there will still girls cruising this strip but seemed quieter. My guess is that there's another street/streets in this area where they've moved to. Requirement would be a medium size two way street that doesn't have too much traffic.

Going back a few months a couple of times I saw most of the girls congregated together on their mbs on the corner of little street off NDC - looked kinda like a union meeting with them all talking - would've been after 10pm. One time I think there would have been about 15 girls together so gives an indication of how much action is/was here. I don't think you'll get ripped off around here, and these girls are territorial so could always find them again, although you'll definitely be quoted higher price than in District 5. Also I never noticed any other western punters in these areas.

On dress code have to agree with JD about wearing shoes - even the hippies in Pham Ngu Lao are shod. I disagree however that you need to be well dressed in clubs. In Gossip, Volcano and X Club all the women of course are well dressed and generally go for sexy, cleavage look but Vietnamese men often in shorts and sandals, although not poor looking. Looks to me quite incongruous - bit like Sydney where girls dress up and men wear beach gear. Only time I went to Volcano for a look seemed like half the men, not exaggerating, had ponytails - looked like a uniform.

Got a semi serious girlfriend so not really looking but am still interested in the undercover scene in HCMC. Like the other day saw really sexy girl - tall, short shorts, see thru top - get off the bike and go into one of those Nha Hangs on An Duong Vuong about 7pm. Place looked like nice 4 story building with neon signs but only mb parking on ground floor - no windows on upper storeys. Pretty sure these type of Nha Hangs aren't restaurants but really only guessing. Lots of these sorts of places on Tran Quang Khai - street goes off HBT on acute angle - again only mb parking and males sitting around downstairs, at night cute girls stopping and going upstairs.

What's up?

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Nail The World
06-11-09, 03:07
2) you can rent a room in a GF hotel, and there are tons in the PNL area, that will rent you a room for between 175-300 USD/mo. They will generally clean your room daily or weekly, some offer free breakfast daily and they all usually have tv, private bath, hot/cold water, air con etc...all the basics.Would you, or anybody else, be able to give specific names(s), maybe on PM, or maybe in person? I have tried to reserve a room for one night at Ho Sen on the 12th. I will do my best to look around but by nature I am prone to not getting the best deals. First time in Vietnam, don't speak jack of Vietnamese, etc etc.

OzzieSuds
06-11-09, 09:07
Would you, or anybody else, be able to give specific names(s), maybe on PM, or maybe in person? I have tried to reserve a room for one night at Ho Sen on the 12th. I will do my best to look around but by nature I am prone to not getting the best deals. First time in Vietnam, don't speak jack of Vietnamese, etc etc.

There is a chain of hotels called E & M who have been reported by others to be GF. Over near Ben Than and also in Thi Sac area.

Playsafe
06-11-09, 12:00
In Gossip, Volcano and X Club all the women of course are well dressed and generally go for sexy, cleavage look but Vietnamese men often in shorts and sandals, although not poor looking. Looks to me quite incongruous - bit like Sydney where girls dress up and men wear beach gear. Only time I went to Volcano for a look seemed like half the men, not exaggerating, had ponytails - looked like a uniform.
I must tell you that those men in shorts & sandals are Viet Kieus who either hardly ever get to go out in a foreign land or those who want to show everyone that they are Viet Kieus. I have seen Viet Kieus wear shorts to weddings as well. I can't stand them guys.

Local Vietnamese men don't wear shorts & sandals to expensive clubs like Gossip, of course, generally speaking.

Johndao
06-11-09, 16:14
Like the other day saw really sexy girl - tall, short shorts, see thru top - get off the bike and go into one of those Nha Hangs on An Duong Vuong about 7pm. Place looked like nice 4 story building with neon signs but only mb parking on ground floor - no windows on upper storeys. Pretty sure these type of Nha Hangs aren't restaurants but really only guessing. Lots of these sorts of places on Tran Quang Khai - street goes off HBT on acute angle - again only mb parking and males sitting around downstairs, at night cute girls stopping and going upstairs.

What's up?That's what's called 'Bia Om.' An Duong Vuong and streets off the avenue are loaded with them. Also TQK and tens of other streets around the center and other districts. Says "Nha Hang" (restaurant) but only motorbikes visible at first floor with a bunch of guys around, often pink lights. Bia Om -- Literally "Hug Beer".

Wendella
06-12-09, 07:15
well , quite touchy, isnt he.
what difference would it make if it is 2, 3 times 5 times, 10 times?
jeez, here is someone who takes "everything" literaly in this type of forum.
there is an expression called "a figure of speech".

what you seemed to say was dressing smart (pants, shoes) would result in getting charged a lot more. the places we were talking about are ones like gossip and volcano. wearing shorts and sandals to those kinds of places won't help you get better prices. that's bad advice. maybe you didn't realize it when you wrote it, or didn't realize what kinds of places we were discussing. the prices you'll be charged there will be the same whether you wear shorts or pants -- the only difference would be that it's a lot tougher to be given the time of day dressed in shorts.

Newbie
06-12-09, 10:09
Got a semi serious girlfriend so not really looking but am still interested in the undercover scene in HCMC. Like the other day saw really sexy girl - tall, short shorts, see thru top - get off the bike and go into one of those Nha Hangs on An Duong Vuong about 7pm. Place looked like nice 4 story building with neon signs but only mb parking on ground floor - no windows on upper storeys. Pretty sure these type of Nha Hangs aren't restaurants but really only guessing. Lots of these sorts of places on Tran Quang Khai - street goes off HBT on acute angle - again only mb parking and males sitting around downstairs, at night cute girls stopping and going upstairs.

What's up?

These are KTV's without the KTV System if you catch my drift. I would make a guess that most will operate without KTV licenses hence they call themselves a "Nha Hang" Restaurant.

Vietnam is a bit strange, if you want to sell hard liquor (whisky, brandy etc) you can only do so if you have a restaurant licence. If you want to apply fro a KTV Licence, the only alcoholic beverage you can serve is beer. Go Figure...

Anyways, they have PRs who will attend to you. When you arrive into the room, they girls are paraded infront of you for your selection. After you select your PR, waiter normally brings in a full menu for you to order food to eat because afterall, you are in a "restaurant"

Depending on District, tips can average anywhere from VND100k and up.

If you request to sing song, they will roll the system into your KTV room. Most of these places do not offer any action in the rooms. Mostly for Take-Out.

As for the places in Tran Quang Khai, it is the same.

Use to frequent these places alot when I first came 3 yrs ago. Now I hardly go. If you want a list of places, PM me.

Advice, try not to order spirits as most times, these places will sell you fakes.

Newbie
06-12-09, 10:11
There is a chain of hotels called E & M who have been reported by others to be GF. Over near Ben Than and also in Thi Sac area.

eeeerrrrr.....

I think you meant to say A & Em???

Milkweed
06-12-09, 12:34
Drove down NTC today at 12 noon. As soon as I turned onto it from Huong Vuong I was approached by a girl on a motorbike. She was wearing sunglasses, mask, helmet. Couldn't see her any better if she was the invisible man. Didn't feel like doing anything, but at least now I know I'm in the right place.

Still haven't figured out the old woman pimp place on Ngo Quyen. Are the pimps on motorbikes, in the cafes, in that little plaza? You can pm me if it is not publishable.

OzzieSuds
06-12-09, 22:44
eeeerrrrr.....

I think you meant to say A & Em???

Beg pardon - I think there is a link in the HCMC hotels thread.

Now Finished
06-13-09, 02:39
Yesterday I walked around in the backpacker area and at tran hung dao.

You should pay attention at tran hung dao (from no.1 to 130) many girls on motorbike (alone / with mamasan / with pimp)

It was about 9.30 to 10 pm, if you go out at this time, you will see many of them. Past 11.30 /12pm business seems to be finished.

I asked for a price, all of them answered 9-10 usd (so about 180.000vnd) for a st fuck (1h). Whoa, thats cheap! (some girls are really young, some seem to have drug problems. My rating: 6-8, 1 was a 9.5. Should have taken her

But I wasnt in the mood for action. And the price seemed to be very low. For hotel they wanted to charge 5usd, after I refused, they told me "no pay for hotel".

Strange, I cannot believe, they do it so cheap!

Anybody have experience at this place?

Sharka
06-13-09, 03:35
This street is crawling with action at Midday. On motorbikes, bicycles, standing around, sitting around. Open your eyes, look carefully. Beware, there is lots and lots of what you don't want here. Follow my advice and Joe Nailer's advice. Choose carefully, make them take the mask off and no money up front. I can tell you there is nothing dangerous here. The worst is just that she is ugly or has a terrible body. Hotels are 50-100k for an hour only. Girls get 100 at the lowest and up to 200k. Bring some kind of ID like a home country Driver License. Even an old or expired one.

See my map attached. The blue line shows the NCT action. This street is very crowded with students and others at midday to confuse things. Observe for a while, you will see what is going on.

The red arrow. This shows where a small group of older female pimps sells young girls (18 and 19) for 200k for a quick pop. Some of the girls are pretty cute. But don't expect much performance. In fact, on this whole strip don't expect much at at all, choose carefully and on average, 3 out of 5 times you will be pleasantly surprised.

JD


Thanks for the map and info by you and Joe Nailer,

Have read back a little and still unsure where the ST hotels are located once I pick up a potential treat along this stretch of road. Can you point out on the provided map where some ST hotels are located or do I rely on the pick up gal to direct me to one?
Thanks

Macheath
06-13-09, 10:23
yesterday i walked around in the backpacker area and at tran hung dao.

you should pay attention at tran hung dao (from no.1 to 130) many girls on motorbike (alone / with mamasan / with pimp)

it was about 9.30 to 10 pm, if you go out at this time, you will see many of them. past 11.30 /12pm business seems to be finished.

i asked for a price, all of them answered 9-10 usd (so about 180.000vnd) for a st fuck (1h). whoa, thats cheap! (some girls are really young, some seem to have drug problems. my rating: 6-8, 1 was a 9.5. should have taken her

but i wasnt in the mood for action. and the price seemed to be very low. for hotel they wanted to charge 5usd, after i refused, they told me "no pay for hotel".

strange, i cannot believe, they do it so cheap!

anybody have experience at this place?it's impossible to walk down tran hung dao from town to the pham without being approached by at least a couple and maybe up to six motorbike girls, not to mention the pimps. many of the "girls" are boys and hang around the park near the market.

of the real girls who are generally offered for $10 by the mama riding the bike many/most may be ****, although viet girls all look young, and i agree many are attractive or at least fresh looking. but who in their right mind thinks they're going to get sex for $10 from an attractive young girl? if this was genuine they'd be picking up backpackers at go to bar. i always tell them $10 is too cheap and they get the message.

what will happen. the mama will get off the bike and the girl will take you on the back to a seedy "hotel" near the river, which you'll have trouble finding again, and you'll get robbed while you're in the shower or having a "massage". the thief will be an accomplice at the hotel, the mama who was riding the bike, or someone else contacted for the purpose, who will sneak into the room while you're occupied. i doubt whether there will be any violence intended but always the possibility. i doubt whether you'll even get sex. the most a quick hand or blow job.

i think hcmc is generally a very safe place and am not paranoid at all, but this is one definite scam which has been going on in this area for at least the last two years. i would be surprised that the police haven't interfered but for the fact that the victims would generally be unharmed except for the theft, and too embarrassed to report the incident.

tran hung dao at night is also a danger area for pickpockets. generally a not particularly attractive woman will approach asking where you're going etc. make a grab for the goolies, and then pick your pocket while you're protecting yourself. before you know what's happened she'll be on the back of a motorbike usually ridden by a male accomplice and away. if you're lucky will only lose a cheap phone like me last tet, unlucky will be wallet or camera. my advice even to the pacifists amongst us is to adopt an agressive pose before she gets within a couple of metres and yell at her to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off.

not wanting to state the obvious but also bag snatchers on motorbikes around here, usually young guys. my gf, actually i. ashamed to say i was holding it, had the new handbag snatched a couple of weeks back on co giang. fortunately the handle broke and they got nothing. gf got a broken bag. would have got i phone, money, id and all the other crap that girls carry. i should know better by now than to be holding a bag on the street side in such a vulnerable manner. classic definition of tempting fate. maybe also a lesson to me from above. to man up and refuse to carry the handbag. at least i can say it wasn't in broad daylight in parkson like those other poor saps.

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Joe Nailer
06-13-09, 18:15
Thanks for the map and info by you and Joe Nailer,

Have read back a little and still unsure where the ST hotels are located once I pick up a potential treat along this stretch of road. Can you point out on the provided map where some ST hotels are located or do I rely on the pick up gal to direct me to one?

ThanksGal will take you to a ST hotel they are familiar with. Gals and hotels may be operating together. They know a few places around that area. So you dont need to worry about that.

Gals will keep an eye on time as a hotel room is rented by minutes. You can stay with her in the room for the money you agreed to pay. So she is very keen to finish as quickly as possible, which may result in a bad service.
I think it's 50K for 15 minutes.

You can try to take a gal to your hotel/your apartment, if it's near enough?

Playsafe
06-13-09, 22:26
of the real girls who are generally offered for $10 by the mama riding the bike many/most may be ****, although viet girls all look young, and i agree many are attractive or at least fresh looking. but who in their right mind thinks they're going to get sex for $10 from an attractive young girl? if this was genuine they'd be picking up backpackers at go to bar. i always tell them $10 is too cheap and they get the message.

what will happen. the mama will get off the bike and the girl will take you on the back to a seedy "hotel" near the river, which you'll have trouble finding again, and you'll get robbed while you're in the shower or having a "massage". the thief will be an accomplice at the hotel, the mama who was riding the bike, or someone else contacted for the purpose, who will sneak into the room while you're occupied. i doubt whether there will be any violence intended but always the possibility. i doubt whether you'll even get sex. the most a quick hand or blow job.

i think hcmc is generally a very safe place and am not paranoid at all, but this is one definite scam which has been going on in this area for at least the last two years. i would be surprised that the police haven't interfered but for the fact that the victims would generally be unharmed except for the theft, and too embarrassed to report the incident.

tran hung dao at night is also a danger area for pickpockets. generally a not particularly attractive woman will approach asking where you're going etc. make a grab for the goolies, and then pick your pocket while you're protecting yourself. before you know what's happened she'll be on the back of a motorbike usually ridden by a male accomplice and away. if you're lucky will only lose a cheap phone like me last tet, unlucky will be wallet or camera. my advice even to the pacifists amongst us is to adopt an agressive pose before she gets within a couple of metres and yell at her to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off.

not wanting to state the obvious but also bag snatchers on motorbikes around here, usually young guys. my gf, actually i. ashamed to say i was holding it, had the new handbag snatched a couple of weeks back on co giang. fortunately the handle broke and they got nothing. gf got a broken bag. would have got i phone, money, id and all the other crap that girls carry. i should know better by now than to be holding a bag on the street side in such a vulnerable manner. classic definition of tempting fate. maybe also a lesson to me from above. to man up and refuse to carry the handbag. at least i can say it wasn't in broad daylight in parkson like those other poor saps.
that's some great advice there. on the south side of tran hung dao is a dangerous place to be at night. you better off stay on the bui vien side & there are plenty of girls hanging around go 2 bar.

i never like the idea of getting on the back of the girls/guys motorbike. if i do have to go with them, i would just take a xe om.

saigon is a pretty safe place, if you take the usual precautions like in any big city.

Member #2234
06-14-09, 02:18
These places are 'bia om' places






These are KTV's without the KTV System if you catch my drift. I would make a guess that most will operate without KTV licenses hence they call themselves a "Nha Hang" Restaurant.

Vietnam is a bit strange, if you want to sell hard liquor (whisky, brandy etc) you can only do so if you have a restaurant licence. If you want to apply fro a KTV Licence, the only alcoholic beverage you can serve is beer. Go Figure...

Anyways, they have PRs who will attend to you. When you arrive into the room, they girls are paraded infront of you for your selection. After you select your PR, waiter normally brings in a full menu for you to order food to eat because afterall, you are in a "restaurant"

Depending on District, tips can average anywhere from VND100k and up.

If you request to sing song, they will roll the system into your KTV room. Most of these places do not offer any action in the rooms. Mostly for Take-Out.

As for the places in Tran Quang Khai, it is the same.

Use to frequent these places alot when I first came 3 yrs ago. Now I hardly go. If you want a list of places, PM me.

Advice, try not to order spirits as most times, these places will sell you fakes.

Johndao
06-14-09, 18:29
Thanks for the map and info by you and Joe Nailer,

Have read back a little and still unsure where the ST hotels are located once I pick up a potential treat along this stretch of road. Can you point out on the provided map where some ST hotels are located or do I rely on the pick up gal to direct me to one?

ThanksSharka,

I have really tried to be helpful here with my info and making the map for you and everything and this is not intended to be a flame or anything, but there must be at least 3 DOZEN short-time hotels within a 100 meter radius of the described area. So if you are really still 'unsure' where they are, maybe go back and have another look, they are everywhere. If you still can't see them, maybe you are just better off at the $100 bars along lower Hai Ba Trung where the short-time tourists go and where things come to you rather than you looking for them.

JD

PS: I met and had one of the cutest young (1989) girls ever there this week. What a surprise! One of her makes 3 duds worth it. 200k.

Johndao
06-15-09, 04:49
That's some great advice there. On the south side of Tran Hung Dao is a dangerous place to be at night. You better off stay on the Bui Vien side & there are plenty of girls hanging around Go 2 bar.

I never like the idea of getting on the back of the girls/guys motorbike. If I do have to go with them, I would just take a Xe Om.

Saigon is a pretty safe place, if you take the usual precautions like in any big city.The two places or parts of HCMC I would never visit for mongering are:

1) The bars on lower Ha Ba Trung and vicinity because of high prices to management for girls and drinks. The girls get very little but you will be out $100+

2) The Pham Ngu Lao/Bui Vien/Tran Hung Dao area because rip-off artists and scammers are most attracted to this area as there is so much easy prey around.

Both these areas have two things in common: Lots and lots of foreigners and lots of tourists or short-time visitors.

However, if you are a tourist or visitor on a short trip and you don't mind spending $100 plus then there is nothing wrong with visiting the D1 bars along HBT and vicinity. It's easy, it's safe, you don't have to think much or work hard or explore or speak Vietnamese. You just have to pay more than $100 for a girl, all told.

JD

Johndao
06-15-09, 04:51
Still haven't figured out the old woman pimp place on Ngo Quyen. Are the pimps on motorbikes, in the cafes, in that little plaza? You can pm me if it is not publishable.They are not there any more. Haven't yet figured out where they moved to but you can be sure it is somewhere!

JD

Johndao
06-15-09, 04:55
BTW, I live in D5 so any recommendations in this area would be very appreciated. Right now I am driving over to Da Kao Market area for the Hot Top fun. I'm usually happy there, but it is a long drive.Try the Hot Tocs on Ngo Quyen north of Nguyen Chi Thanh St in D5. Nearer your home. Right-hand side of NQ going north.

JD

AdHome01
06-15-09, 23:37
I stay outside the city and when I visit it's usually only have a few hours. Last week I got away a few times a headed to the BHT strip. The rates quoted ranged from 700k to 1mil for full-service in hotel (bj up stairs was 500k). All four times I paid 500k plus 200k for the room. All stayed over three hours (all the time I had) and banged the whole time. I realize this a bit on the pricey side but if you're tourest or short on time it isn't bad.

The one thing that concerned me was one of them tried to fuck without a condom. It was after we fucked twice and she tried to slide it in while lying in the spoon position. I'm not sure if she already had something she wanted to spread or what but either way be careful. Don't remember her name but she worked at the last bar on the right closest to the river (35 maybe).

Snuska
06-16-09, 05:39
Hello,

I'm going over to Ho Chi Minh City for a week and have a couple of questions regarding the "scene" over here.

1. From what I understand the standard price for short time is 100 000 - 200 000 Dongs correct?

2. Longtime price: The double as short time?

3. The girl friendly hotels the girls usally know off and you should just let them take you to one they know of. You pay by the minutes at these hotels and usally one hour is between 50 000 - 100 000 Dongs. You also have to leave some kind of id prefferably an id you might be okay with loosing. This info correct?

4. It seems there are no redlight districts like in Thailand, Singapore and so on. You can pick up the girls where or do they have massage parlors a la Bangkok style meaning you pay for a room and some massage treatment and then pick a girl? You then later decide with the girl in the room what you want to do?

5. What places would you recommend for picking up some real VN hotties?

6, Taking girls back to your real hotel is a no no?

7. Seen talk about a curfue is there one over there that I should know about?

8. Standard scams/things I should look out for to be safe?

9. Dress in pants, nice t-shirt or shirt and good looking shoes will get you treated better at most places correct?

If you only feel you can answer one or two questions please do! I'm positive your answers could help a lot of fellow mongers and not just me.

Thanks in advance!

Nail The World
06-16-09, 06:00
The two places or parts of HCMC I would never visit for mongering are:

1) The bars on lower Ha Ba Trung and vicinity because of high prices to management for girls and drinks. The girls get very little but you will be out $100+

2) The Pham Ngu Lao/Bui Vien/Tran Hung Dao area because rip-off artists and scammers are most attracted to this area as there is so much easy prey around.

Both these areas have two things in common: Lots and lots of foreigners and lots of tourists or short-time visitors.

However, if you are a tourist or visitor on a short trip and you don't mind spending $100 plus then there is nothing wrong with visiting the D1 bars along HBT and vicinity. It's easy, it's safe, you don't have to think much or work hard or explore or speak Vietnamese. You just have to pay more than $100 for a girl, all told.

JDThese place are certified rip off establishments. Their business model is to fleece customers. They are prepared to not see you again. They bank on new visitors.

I expected the prices to be high and these were the sure shot place for me to try out to test the market. I am originally from India, now I work in California, and I had to see what the market was like for given my experience with Thai girls. I had tried Thailand two years ago for a mongering mission and found the market hostile to Indian mongers. That trip to Thailand would also be my last.

Few nights ago I stepped into bar 49, all eyes lit up with half surprise and half smile "he looks different but what the heck he must have money". I was immediately grabbed by a small girl with big tits. What a difference from Thailand where the first pick wouldn't even come close! She had a script. "Your name", "Where from", "Go to hotel". What pissed me off was "You want two girl? ". I played along with her script, I had to see the full cycle first and then decide whether I will stay in Vietnam or fuck off from here. She was about 6-7, short with big natural tits, I might have picked her myself. There were 7s all around, all doable but no stunners. 900K for the girl, 300K bar fine, bartender tip, taxi, hotel, hotel drinks. $100 for short time. This is not mongering.

Next day bar 91. All 7s and below. Rate offered was 1.1m + 400K bar fine. This seemed like a good time to walk out so I did. Round the corner there was bar NY Saigon. They wanted me to get in the day before so I obliged them today. Found a tall girl, didn't speak a word of English, had to communicate through mamasan, seemed pretty service oriented, already kissed the hell out of me before making the deal. This short time cost me 1.3m + drinks. I brought her to my hotel which is girl friendly. This is not the right kind of mongering I am doing. So far it is OK because I can say I was also testing the market. But now the market has been tested and I see that it is open to Indian mongers, not ruined yet by cheapo brethren.

Now is the time to take it up a notch and explore the interiors, or all those roundabouts and roads that have been discussed. I don't drive but I found a motorbike guy who spoke reasonably good English. I've got his number, I will call him when I can get my phone to turn on. I am sure as hell not calling anybody from the hotel phone.

OzzieSuds
06-16-09, 08:18
The two places or parts of HCMC I would never visit for mongering are:

1) The bars on lower Ha Ba Trung and vicinity because of high prices to management for girls and drinks. The girls get very little but you will be out $100+

2) The Pham Ngu Lao/Bui Vien/Tran Hung Dao area because rip-off artists and scammers are most attracted to this area as there is so much easy prey around.

Both these areas have two things in common: Lots and lots of foreigners and lots of tourists or short-time visitors.

However, if you are a tourist or visitor on a short trip and you don't mind spending $100 plus then there is nothing wrong with visiting the D1 bars along HBT and vicinity. It's easy, it's safe, you don't have to think much or work hard or explore or speak Vietnamese. You just have to pay more than $100 for a girl, all told.

JD

JD - I am a lazy bastard and sometimes use takeout from these bars. The freebie shop girls etc can just get to be hard work sometimes. I also find that asking for the new ones often gives me a line to a freebie when they quit the bar and go back to a legit job.

Anyways I want to encourage guys to negotiate as I believe that $50 can still be had for ST and $70 is still possible for LT. But you have to pitch low and not give in too quick. It helps to actually buy the mamasan a drink.

Nothing near as cheap as you are getting in the Districts but this is in the comfort of my hotel.

Nail The World
06-16-09, 08:54
Me :)

I come to Saigon next week.I can join if any get together is planned now. I am already here and available & exploring.

Nail The World
06-16-09, 23:20
Are there bars elsewhere away from the lower HBT rip off bars? There has been some discussion of bars outside of D1 but I couldn't find a mention of street stretches or general areas that can be explored for bar possibilities similar to how there is mention of mb populated areas.

I went searching for mb girl streets yesterday but because of miscommunication with the mb driver I ended up somewhere completely different. I did manage to get my cell phone repaired for 200K, got myself rubbed and tugged at the only place I found, saw a multitude of greeting card shops one after another, got myself inquisitively looked at, inquisitively looked at a lot of Vietnamese cuties and generally saw Vietnam. Today I will ask the driver to strictly follow the fucking street names I give him.

Snuska
06-17-09, 12:34
Right now in Ho Chi Minh but have no idea where I can go for some "fun". Would greatly appreciate if someone could give me a few tips/general information.

Any info is much appreciated!

Nail The World
06-18-09, 02:38
Well, sooner or later I had to do it, it happened to get done last night.

What an extraordinarily poor selection. All 4s with a couple barely pushing 6. I was determined to patronize them just because it's been mentioned so many times in this forum. What didn't occur to me was that I could have pulled out and did it some other day. Later I saw a gentleman walk in, exchange pleasantries at the bar, throw his hands in the air, walk around swiftly and then make a you turn. What a tactful monger. I should have done the same.

The ugly chick who grabbed me won't leave. "No problem" she said and kept standing. Then she tried to suggest a girl, "I can suggest better because I know them". "No! I want to do it myself". Pointing fingers raises expectations and if you don't follow through it breaks the heart, somebody gets disappointed even before you have started, and that's what she was doing.

I went to the mamasan, asked for the short time rate. She was confused like she has never been asked before, "the girl would know". Ok, "you got a new one? ". "Yeah, but she won't speak English". "No problem". Mamasan waved her hand and a 4 stood up and walked over smiling, she had lips of Mick Jagger. Considering that they were playing "Start me up" it was a right fit.

"Discount. Only for you. 500K. Normally 800K. You're the first customer". This was going to be all inclusive. Now I know what that girls running around outside with burning paper in hand was about. I really was the first customer. Then I saw mamasan burning incense sticks at the door and folding hands. Upstairs in the pigeon hole boom boom ensued. She was a champion performer. Strangely, they have seats for two boom booms to happen in that cave. Later she begged and got 100K. On the way out mamasan slapped a lady drink and the bartender wiped out the change, "tip". All this had a feel of desperation to it. But overall I got almost the same thing with much less money spent. I don't think it makes a difference if you screw a 4, 5, 6 or 7. You'll probably forget a 7 the next morning and forget a 4 rightaway.

My quest for a 9 is still on.

Phantomtiger2
06-19-09, 23:32
gals will keep an eye on time as a hotel room is rented by minutes. you can stay with her in the room for the money you agreed to pay. so she is very keen to finish as quickly as possible, which may result in a bad service.
i think it's 50k for 15 minutes.

you can try to take a gal to your hotel/your apartment, if it's near enough?

15minutes!! damn, that's about the total time it'll take me to undress and redress again let alone getting it up, and finishing the deed. i guess i better practice on a quicker hand job so i could be ready for the "speed deed" when the time cums -ha ha.

since hotels are mentioned (the regular live in kind and not those 15min st hotels), does anyone know of any decent but fairly inexpensive ones near this area?

pt

Sharka
06-19-09, 23:49
Sharka,

I have really tried to be helpful here with my info and making the map for you and everything and this is not intended to be a flame or anything, but there must be at least 3 DOZEN short-time hotels within a 100 meter radius of the described area. So if you are really still 'unsure' where they are, maybe go back and have another look, they are everywhere. If you still can't see them, maybe you are just better off at the $100 bars along lower Hai Ba Trung where the short-time tourists go and where things come to you rather than you looking for them.

JD

PS: I met and had one of the cutest young (1989) girls ever there this week. What a surprise! One of her makes 3 duds worth it. 200k.


Actually, I'm not trying to tick anyone off as I said did some reading back but just wasn't sure if the ST hotels were close by in this area or not. I think you are assuming I am in country and walking or biking around HCMC exploring already but I am not. I'm just gathering intel/ info for my upcoming trip in about 2 months, just not keen on going to ST hotel places that may or maynot exist or be directed down a blind alley. But I did thank you for the map of area.

Shark

Chocha Monger
06-20-09, 04:52
Well, sooner or later I had to do it, it happened to get done last night.

What an extraordinarily poor selection. All 4s with a couple barely pushing 6. I was determined to patronize them just because it's been mentioned so many times in this forum. What didn't occur to me was that I could have pulled out and did it some other day. Later I saw a gentleman walk in, exchange pleasantries at the bar, throw his hands in the air, walk around swiftly and then make a you turn. What a tactful monger. I should have done the same.

The ugly chick who grabbed me won't leave. "No problem" she said and kept standing. Then she tried to suggest a girl, "I can suggest better because I know them". "No! I want to do it myself". Pointing fingers raises expectations and if you don't follow through it breaks the heart, somebody gets disappointed even before you have started, and that's what she was doing.

I went to the mamasan, asked for the short time rate. She was confused like she has never been asked before, "the girl would know". Ok, "you got a new one? ". "Yeah, but she won't speak English". "No problem". Mamasan waved her hand and a 4 stood up and walked over smiling, she had lips of Mick Jagger. Considering that they were playing "Start me up" it was a right fit.

"Discount. Only for you. 500K. Normally 800K. You're the first customer". This was going to be all inclusive. Now I know what that girls running around outside with burning paper in hand was about. I really was the first customer. Then I saw mamasan burning incense sticks at the door and folding hands. Upstairs in the pigeon hole boom boom ensued. She was a champion performer. Strangely, they have seats for two boom booms to happen in that cave. Later she begged and got 100K. On the way out mamasan slapped a lady drink and the bartender wiped out the change, "tip". All this had a feel of desperation to it. But overall I got almost the same thing with much less money spent. I don't think it makes a difference if you screw a 4, 5, 6 or 7. You'll probably forget a 7 the next morning and forget a 4 rightaway.

My quest for a 9 is still on.
Nail The World,
I commend you on taking one for the team. Fours need to eat too. I'll post a link to your post in the thread for posts of distinction.

Joe Nailer
06-20-09, 17:51
15minutes!! damn, that's about the total time it'll take me to undress and redress again let alone getting it up, and finishing the deed. i guess i better practice on a quicker hand job so i could be ready for the "speed deed" when the time cums -ha ha.

since hotels are mentioned (the regular live in kind and not those 15min st hotels), does anyone know of any decent but fairly inexpensive ones near this area?

pt
"time is money" is their m.o. and it is right. once you agree to pay whatever you agreed, as far as they are concerned, that's a done deal. they just get it done as quickly as possible, and leave and try to find another customer/victim.
if you actually pick one up off one of these streets, then you will see what i mean. there are of course exceptions.

so in your case, dress very lightly when/if you actually decide to do it.

i have seen hotels around that area, and other areas that advertise for a room 60k for 1 hour. i think these are catering for non p4p, but for any "couples". you have to research the area by yourself. but i doubt she will spend 1 hour with you for the nominal fees. but please let us know what you can score with this arrangement.

OzzieSuds
06-20-09, 21:07
Would you, or anybody else, be able to give specific names(s), maybe on PM, or maybe in person? I have tried to reserve a room for one night at Ho Sen on the 12th. I will do my best to look around but by nature I am prone to not getting the best deals. First time in Vietnam, don't speak jack of Vietnamese, etc etc.

There is a separate thread on hotels with a lot of information. Some of it specific and some of it more general. The GF places are small with less than 20 rooms and specific information would overload them. And there are lots of them.

Playsafe
06-21-09, 01:44
Generally speaking, the service of the street walkers is very lousy. Once you & the girl in your room, the girl goes take a quick shower, or you & the girl take a shower together. Make sure you take things of great value with you to the washroom. After the shower, she will lick or blow you for a minute or two then she puts condom on you. You start to bang her or you can ask her to ride you. Once you've finished your first shot, you both get dressed, pay her, go pay the room fee at the front desk, she picks up her ID & you're all on your separate ways. That's the ST local way. Anything more than that you should both agree in advance such as anal, photo, video or hourly session.

I have kicked some of them out when they start to play games with me. One time a girl wouldn't do doggie, I paid her half of the deal & sent her out the door. That's why I prefer to do the regular girls, although it's not totally free.

I have met some girls online that are willing to do anything but anal. I get so horny just thinking about it. One of them says she likes to get spanked & physical. She said I was too easy on her last time. LOL!

Nail The World
06-22-09, 13:09
$100 per pop wasn't really doing it for me so I used the trump card. This is something I had "met online" and has saved me $400 so far. But as I had expected this is turning out to be sticky stuff and looks like will be hard work to get rid off.

Johndao
06-23-09, 06:10
Actually, I'm not trying to tick anyone off as I said did some reading back but just wasn't sure if the ST hotels were close by in this area or not. I think you are assuming I am in country and walking or biking around HCMC exploring already but I am not. I'm just gathering intel/ info for my upcoming trip in about 2 months, just not keen on going to ST hotel places that may or maynot exist or be directed down a blind alley. But I did thank you for the map of area.Sorry Shark, when I replied I confused you with another poster who had been asking info about the same area of town and is in fact here, but could not see the girls in the area described. I thought I was replying to that same poster who was now saying he could now not see any hotels, but I was mixed up and it was you.

Milkweed
06-24-09, 12:37
Went looking for a cafe om experience midday last week. Drove over to PTK in Go Vap. Not too far for me as I work in Tan Binh. Never done a cafe om. I read on the forum that I should look for a narrow and simple cafe. Saw a really cave-like concrete floored one on the left side and then I saw a nicer tile-floored place on the same block. As similar businesses seem to group together in VN, I thought that this was a good sign.

I went to the cave-looking place. Waitress was attractive in the face, but tattooed and looked too skinny. Went ahead with it. BJ in a cinematically divey curtained area. Lots of spitting. The technique wasn't doing it for me and when I went to grab some ass I found that there was none. She was curiously thin.

So I said "good job" and motioned that we were done. 100, 000 VND.

I wanted to see the other Cafe so I drove the short distance and parked. This place (and these girls) looked cleaner. Should have gone for this one. But now I wasn't really in the mood. I ordered a pepsi. I tried to practice a little Viet on them. They asked if I wanted a massage. They took turns asking and then a shirtless viet man came out and asked too. Nope. Don't want it.

The younger one stared at me like I was a martian. I stared back. Then we both laughed and they left me alone. The pepsi was 10, 000 VND. When I was paying the older woman, she grabbed my dick and said massage in one last effort at communication. I acted like I just figured it out and said maybe next time. Smiles and waves goodbye.

Not really impressed with my limited cafe om experience. The price is nice, but I prefer my BJ hot toc over by Da Kao Market on NPK street (200, 000VND).

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Lakeoffire1
06-24-09, 15:57
Hi guys,

This is my first report as I just arrived in Saigon, been to An Giang before but the girls there are not really foreigners friendly (except the massage), they usually refuse to go with you as for a higher price (one day she show me a sign with her hand meaning too big.). Anyway here is not the topic.

I know the location on Xo Viet Nghe Tinh who is full of kindda young beauty motorbike girls. It's on XVNT, when you come from D1, heading to Binh Thanh, you pass the bridge (first there is some hooker waiting on the bridge sometimes but a lot of policeman are turning around so you often saw them running), you continue to XVNT and then from the intersection of nguyen van lac until the next small street on the left there is motorbike girls turning around (easy to recognize because they are full of make-up, wearing sexy clothes and not wearing helmet! ). But I didn't try their services yet, do you know what is the price here and the quality? Thanks for advices.

Concerning the hot toc on DBL, I tried 2 already (he first one on the left and 1 after the bridge but never have a CIM. How do you say that in Vietnamese? Or if you don't have to ask, where do you go?

Thanks guys and happy hunting.

Lakeoffire1
06-24-09, 16:55
I got lost once in this area at night and so riding slowly got approached by several mb girls - general impression is older or very young, ordinary/poor looking and not going for the sexy look. Also many standing on footpaths of the same type. The street is also quite dark and to me didn't have a good feel to it. Haven't been there during daytime but have never noticed mb girls or street walkers anywhere during day time.

The other obvious areas for mb girls are/were on NTMK from Nguyen Binh Khiem to the Thi Nghe Channel, and then street girls standing on the bridge, and then over the channel up to where the road turns into XVNT. The two strips with mb girls are distinctly separate (if not a tautology) with the girls doing u turns and basically doing laps up and down their strip. Conservatively I'd estimate that there would be 15-20 girls cruising this area at any one time. Plenty of times I've seen girls handing off money to pimps, or maybe mb owners, swapping bikes with other girls etc.

Last time I went this way, at night a couple of weeks back, seemed like they'd disappeared from NTMK to the channel, and they're digging up the road from over the bridge so makes it difficult for mb cruising. My opinion was that these girls were mostly late teenage to early twenties, generally good looking, going for the sexy look - also this area is well lit so can see well what's on offer. These girls must have moved to a different strip - probably near by but don't know where.

Nearby is the area with best looking mb girls - on Nguyen Binh Khiem from Nguyen Dinh Chieu to the roundabout on Dien Bien Phu. Until quite recently used to be about 10-15 at a time cruising this strip, again doing laps and also turning into the first smaller street on the right after NDC. These girls ask for 500k, of course can negotiate, and hotels in this strip will take 100k although usually ask for 200 - just laugh and they'll give in. Also never give any ID - the girl will have to give hers but they'll let you in if you go to walk away.

Used to go to a good seafood place a lot on Nguyen Van Thu and would regularly ride down NBK, but cute waitress has moved on and so have I so don't visit so often. Last time I went past a couple weeks back there will still girls cruising this strip but seemed quieter. My guess is that there's another street/streets in this area where they've moved to. Requirement would be a medium size two way street that doesn't have too much traffic.

Going back a few months a couple of times I saw most of the girls congregated together on their mbs on the corner of little street off NDC - looked kinda like a union meeting with them all talking - would've been after 10pm. One time I think there would have been about 15 girls together so gives an indication of how much action is/was here. I don't think you'll get ripped off around here, and these girls are territorial so could always find them again, although you'll definitely be quoted higher price than in District 5. Also I never noticed any other western punters in these areas.

On dress code have to agree with JD about wearing shoes - even the hippies in Pham Ngu Lao are shod. I disagree however that you need to be well dressed in clubs. In Gossip, Volcano and X Club all the women of course are well dressed and generally go for sexy, cleavage look but Vietnamese men often in shorts and sandals, although not poor looking. Looks to me quite incongruous - bit like Sydney where girls dress up and men wear beach gear. Only time I went to Volcano for a look seemed like half the men, not exaggerating, had ponytails - looked like a uniform.

Got a semi serious girlfriend so not really looking but am still interested in the undercover scene in HCMC. Like the other day saw really sexy girl - tall, short shorts, see thru top - get off the bike and go into one of those Nha Hangs on An Duong Vuong about 7pm. Place looked like nice 4 story building with neon signs but only mb parking on ground floor - no windows on upper storeys. Pretty sure these type of Nha Hangs aren't restaurants but really only guessing. Lots of these sorts of places on Tran Quang Khai - street goes off HBT on acute angle - again only mb parking and males sitting around downstairs, at night cute girls stopping and going upstairs.

What's up?

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Any experiences with those girls?

Nail The World
06-25-09, 04:29
Try the Hot Tocs on Ngo Quyen north of Nguyen Chi Thanh St in D5. Nearer your home. Right-hand side of NQ going north.

JDI tried this one yesterday. I found only one very close to the intersection but there was only one I wanted to try. Closed doors, says Hot Toc on the door. This was my first Hot Toc experience so I wasn't sure if I should ask for a massage rightaway or if I was going to be offered one. I was immediately grabbed for a hair cut, there were two haircut guys and several cleavage showing chicks in their 30s (I know enough to realize they couldn't have been in 20s), so I had a second haircut in a week. At the end I was offered a massage, now I understand that I should ask for massage myself as I walk in.

It was a 50-50 BJ/HJ for 200K.

Is there a better alternative close to district 1? Actually distance should not be a problem. But one with chicks younger than 30s who are service oriented would be nice.

Sharka
06-25-09, 21:27
Sorry Shark, when I replied I confused you with another poster who had been asking info about the same area of town and is in fact here, but could not see the girls in the area described. I thought I was replying to that same poster who was now saying he could now not see any hotels, but I was mixed up and it was you.


No problem pal,
mistaken ID happens all the time. No damage done. At least I now know ST places are nearby so I could be more comfortable knowing I'm not taken for a bad ride if she said place is just down the street.

Shark

Sharka
06-25-09, 21:32
Gal will take you to a ST hotel they are familiar with. Gals and hotels may be operating together. They know a few places around that area. So you dont need to worry about that.

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Thanks Joe,
I was distracted and nearly forgot to thank you for the info.

Shark

Ozzy Bkk
06-26-09, 04:25
Me :)

I come to Saigon next week.Coming to HCM next week for few days, around July 2th, someone wanna meet up for a beer?

Mikle
06-26-09, 18:39
Hi guys,

I really appreciate your contributions about these BJ places, and I agree the CIM-NO CIM dispute is not irrelevant.

But. Let's say we understood the directions, as a newbie going there (with no local language) what should we do? Expect? Pay? What is going to happen, in your opinion?

Mikle
06-26-09, 18:44
Maybe it is a little out of topic.

But if you suggest a tourist to go around and wonder the city outskirts, having a scooter or something is necessary.

Where is it possible to rent it for only a few day, out of the touristy enclave, at reasonable prices?

Every info is welcome.

Thank you guy, go on with your great posts and pics (Ho Chi Minh City has become one of the most interesting thread in all of SEA)

Mik Hcmc
06-27-09, 00:36
Maybe it is a little out of topic.

But if you suggest a tourist to go around and wonder the city outskirts, having a scooter or something is necessary.

Where is it possible to rent it for only a few day, out of the touristy enclave, at reasonable prices?

Every info is welcome.

Thank you guy, go on with your great posts and pics (Ho Chi Minh City has become one of the most interesting thread in all of SEA)I wouldn't recommend getting a hire scooter, You need a VN lic unless its under 50cc and VN dosn't recognise international drivers lic/permits (although other countries recognise VN drivers lic)

Once you see the traffic and the way you need to ride you may have 2nd thoughts. Saying that if you do go ahead and get a scooter make sure you have a map that clearly has the roads you will be sticking to on it. I still get lost trying to find a short cut/ alternative way to my destinations and I've been here for 2yrs. My last misadventure was a supposed 20min trip to the local shop to buy Coco Pops that turned into a 3hr ride.

Alwayshard45
06-27-09, 11:31
I wouldn't recommend getting a hire scooter, You need a VN lic unless its under 50cc and VN dosn't recognise international drivers lic/permits (although other countries recognise VN drivers lic)

Once you see the traffic and the way you need to ride you may have 2nd thoughts. Saying that if you do go ahead and get a scooter make sure you have a map that clearly has the roads you will be sticking to on it. I still get lost trying to find a short cut/ alternative way to my destinations and I've been here for 2yrs. My last misadventure was a supposed 20min trip to the local shop to buy Coco Pops that turned into a 3hr ride.I agree that the city can be very confusing, especially, if you are new or do not speak fluent Vietnamese. Its hard to have visual references such as turn right at the Pho restaurant because they have one on every street, not literally. Also the numbering system of address can be messed up here, with one side of the street going up and the other going down and at different rates. It took me a good year of living here to get comfortable with all the streets.

If you decide to get a bike, remember, that you do need a VN license, if you don't have and a cop pulls you over, it will cost between 200-500k VND bribe to keep your bike, otherwise they will keep it in storage at your expense and the bike usually makes you pay the whole deposit of the bike. You will also want, as Mik suggested, a map that can be bought at any bookstore of HCMC. A MUST. Stick to main roads and the map, don't try and find "shortcuts" unless you have time to kill.

If you do want a bike let me know, I have some for rent, both daily and monthly.

Wendella
06-28-09, 08:42
Drove over to PTK in Go Vap.
Hi.... Which street is this? On my map, I'm not finding a PTK in Go Vap.

Mikle
06-28-09, 18:30
If you do want a bike let me know, I have some for rent, both daily and monthly.Thank you for your advices and precautions.

Actually I was in hcmc last year (posted my experiences then) and I rented I bike from the tourist enclave. No driving licence, no problem with the traffic, no problems with the cops (thanks god).

I just would like to figure out some prices or places, as I don't remember at all from last year.

Thanks again

Playsafe
06-29-09, 00:43
Thank you for your advices and precautions.

Actually I was in hcmc last year (posted my experiences then) and I rented I bike from the tourist enclave. No driving licence, no problem with the traffic, no problems with the cops (thanks god).

I just would like to figure out some prices or places, as I don't remember at all from last year.

Thanks again
Just walk around Pham Ngu Lao & Bui Vien st in District 1, you will see lots of "Bike for Rent" signs. It depends on the bike that you want to rent. It ranges from 80k-500k.

Dragonfly22
06-29-09, 01:15
I'm a seasoned rider for years and would never in my wildest imagination ever consider taking on HCMC traffic, especially during rush hour. I've been bumped, pushed, rubbed against had my knees banged, hands clipped all as a passenger on the back of a moto. Unless you have blood coming out of your eyes and need to get to the hospital avoid driving a moto in HCMC. Out in the provinces it's a different story, I've gassed up and driven in DaNang and Nha Trang and would even feel comfortable in Hue but never HCMC. Goodluck and may the "Force" be with you.

Milkweed
06-29-09, 01:19
Hi.... Which street is this? On my map, I'm not finding a PTK in Go Vap.Sorry, wrong abbr.

I should have said PVT.

Wendella
06-29-09, 06:53
Are there bars elsewhere away from the lower HBT rip off bars?

I'm not aware of bars like the ones on HBT elsewhere in town -- don't think any exist. Those cater to foreigners. Locals and Asians go more for karaokes, discos, nightclubs as their venues, not bars like these. In those places, it takes more work. In the discos there are freelancers, usually pretty obvious, tho there's also plenty of (mostly) non-working girls. So you definitely won't get the kind of snuggling up you would in some of the HBT bars. There is at least one bar up in Phu Nhuan on Ho Van Hue street called Bumbi where girls will get pretty snuggly -- tho rarely to the degree you'd get in HBT -- and surely not the higher levels of naughtiness that can be reached in those places. Paradise (name may have changed recently) across the street from Bumbi is more of a typical nightclub with PR's at your table. There's lots like that. If you want quick available take-out, that's not on offer at these places. You might be able to arrange to meet them after work, usually have to go eat with them first, and then maybe home afterward. Or maybe not. You can see how going this route means staying up til 4am or so, which is way later than I ever want to be up.

I wouldn't call the HBT bars ripoffs. You pay for the convenience -- in most there's a lot of girls altogether in once spot, you get to pick the one you want, and usually can get to do a few things then and there right in the bar, and much more if you go upstairs with her. The quality of the girls (I mean looks, youth) is on the whole better than in other venues, and if you go visit 2 or 3 bars, you're bound to find one who you find quite hot. The girls are always dressed in very sexy outfits, and you're free to move your hands where ever you want. One more thing: all these bars are within walking distance of each other, so you can go check one after another easily in one evening. You can go in, have one drink, and leave if you dont see something to your liking. With karaokes, for example, you'd go in, have to get a room and then they bring out a case of beers or a bottle -- and while they might have 50 girls on the premises, they'll only bring in a small selection for you to pick from. Once you're in, you're stuck there. If you don't see something to your liking, too bad. You could ask the mamasan to see more girls... and I have to say that last time I did that, I was told that this group of 4 were all the girls working. On my way out, I saw plenty more out in the hallways on their way to one room or another, so it wasn't true -- the mamasan just didn't want to show me more. This is the kind of stuff you deal with at karaokes.

Anyway, does anyone else know of snuggly types of bars other than the HBT ones? There are a few HBT type ones that are not on HBT. There's 3 on Le Thanh Ton and 3 more on Thai Van Lung. That's all the ones I know of.

Wendella
06-29-09, 07:07
Sorry, wrong abbr.
I should have said PVT.

There are lots more of these types of places on the street behind the airport -- Duong Tan Son. More of them there than on Pham Van Tri. Quality? Don't get your hopes high. I drove past and spotted them recently, wasn't tempted at all to try. I entered on the Tan Binh side, via a street called Pham Van Bach....and you have to go over some of the roughest unpaved deeply potholed muddy road in Ho Chi Minh City to reach these spots, and through a busy market area no less. I was there daytime, it might be that more spots open nighttime -- I did see quite a few cafes that were closed, and thought maybe they're night time only. Or maybe they're just out of business. Due to this and the market, I'd recommend driving into this area early evening when the cafes will be the only things open, and it won't be crowded with motorbike and pedestrian traffic. If anyone does go check it out, I'd be curious to hear about it.

OzzieSuds
06-29-09, 11:43
Anyway, does anyone else know of snuggly types of bars other than the HBT ones? There are a few HBT type ones that are not on HBT. There's 3 on Le Thanh Ton and 3 more on Thai Van Lung. That's all the ones I know of.

There is a new one on Thi Sach called Coco or something - a sister bar to Smiley's but the mamasan's at both those places are very hard nosed on prices.

And there is the relocated Cali bar now on Dong Du just near the Hot Chili bar.

The saddest news is that Club Italia (otherwise known as the sports bar) on Dong Du has closed and is now demolished. I used to often go there to watch sports events. Does anyone know if it or another one like it has re-appeared in D1.

Nail The World
06-29-09, 14:45
There are a few HBT type ones that are not on HBT. There's 3 on Le Thanh Ton and 3 more on Thai Van Lung. That's all the ones I know of.How do they compare with HBT bars in terms of price and quality?

Btw, this weekend I tried 49 also, completing my tour of HBT bars. Here I saw some quality stuff, the middle aged mamasan sisters were gentle. I would say about 2-3 8s were there, all of whom I would gladly bang. I was able to take one out for $100 long time (including bar fees) but then it was after midnight and the girl spent 5 minutes thinking about the price.

I found the attitude of the bar 91 mamasan to be the worst, so much as to never make me want to step in there again. And this when the best I saw there was a 7. What the fuck are they thinking?

I gotta screw a 9 else I won't be a happy monger.

Wendella
06-29-09, 17:32
There is a new one on Thi Sach called Coco or something - a sister bar to Smiley's but the mamasan's at both those places are very hard nosed on prices.

And there is the relocated Cali bar now on Dong Du just near the Hot Chili bar.

The saddest news is that Club Italia (otherwise known as the sports bar) on Dong Du has closed and is now demolished. I used to often go there to watch sports events. Does anyone know if it or another one like it has re-appeared in D1.

Sorry about Italia. Never went there and dunno if it's alive again in any form.

Number 5 bar, formerly on Ly Tu Truong across from Lush, has reopened again on Pasteur, at I think #44? Maybe that would work for you? I'm not sure what Italia had that you'd need in a place. Number 5 always had sports on tv, and I think they'd put your channel on, whatever it is. Opening hours can be a problem for watching sports. No idea what their hours are.

Yes, I did see that one on Thi Sach. Forgot. And of course the new Cali. Neither looked too good to me.

But the original question that Nail wanted to know was if there are any bars anything like these other than this group we all know very well. I consider all these, the ones on Le Thanh Ton, HBT and the side streets off them, to really be part of this one scene, which we normally call "the HBT bars" for short, even tho most of the bars are actually off of HBT, not on it. Some friends of mine call them the Hello Darling bars. But to my knowledge, there's nothing like these bars elsewhere in town. They're all located in a pretty small area of District 1.

Mik Hcmc
06-29-09, 22:55
I'm a seasoned rider for years and would never in my wildest imagination ever consider taking on HCMC traffic, especially during rush hour. I've been bumped, pushed, rubbed against had my knees banged, hands clipped all as a passenger on the back of a moto. Unless you have blood coming out of your eyes and need to get to the hospital avoid driving a moto in HCMC. Out in the provinces it's a different story, I've gassed up and driven in DaNang and Nha Trang and would even feel comfortable in Hue but never HCMC. Goodluck and may the "Force" be with you.Until I came to Saigon I had never ridden a scooter or motobike. I quickly learned that around 1-2am is quiet time and you can learn to ride without too much traffic or cops.

Now my wife is constantly telling me to slow down as I'm riding just like the VNese (or worse as my wife reminds me) I hit the footpath/pavement at the slightest sign of a traffic blockage, run down the wrong way of the streets as theres less traffic than the correct side, take off just before the lights turn green after checking theres no one coming down the other streets. One thing I'm still afraid to do is to do a U Turn right there and then with no warning as many VN riders do. Something about getting T Boned that dosnt sit right with me.

Wendella
06-30-09, 05:20
How do they compare with HBT bars in terms of price and quality?
Very well. You have to keep in mind that all these places fluctuate in terms of how cute the girls are. The attitude fluctuates too. For example, I've experience both the most terrible attitude in 91, but also the best ever. 91 does tend to get the youngest/cutest girls on HBT, but... there's always exceptions. There's also often some who come in to try it out, decide they don't like it, and leave. That can happen at any bar. Once at 29 bar on Dong Khoi, known for having the most willing and frisky girls of all these bars, I went in and spotted a girl I wanted to be with -- she actually rejected me after one look at me. A couple months later I went in again. This time she came up to me, same girl, and snuggled in immediately, was super affectionate. Why? Who knows.

Anyway, the other bars are on the whole just about on par with the ones located on HBT itself. The ones down on Le Thanh Ton are particularly good - in fact they usually have something better than any of the ones on HBT except possibly 91. Actually one of the hottest ones (the hottest IMO) in 91 now was working a long time at Tia To on LTT, just switched recently. She's a 9 by my standards, and theres one other there who I'd peg at 9. Remember that any time you go, it's possible some are already upstairs with customers, so you may not see all of them. When I think back over the years, 91 has been most consistent at having the very hottest girls out there. When I think of my top 10 all time, maybe half were at 91.

It seems like Smiley is popular with some people here. I disagree. I think I know which girls that are being referred to. For someone not focused on cup sizes (like me) and more on prettiness and tall/thin, that place is the one I'd skip. There's one girl who stands out as the queen of the place -- always wears an open front dress that very much reveals her cleavage. But she's a bit older looking than the ones in the bars I prefer (guessing about 25), and she knows she's the queen there and has the attitude to match, in my experience at least. I've seen her walk away from a customer at the bar one time, and I'll say for myself that she seemed to avoid eye contact. Meranwhile in that place there is one very cute girl (the cutest, IMO) who works behind the bar and wears jeans and t-shirt, seems to not be available to sit with customers. The rest of the lineup is not very good there, by my standards. Just generally older and less attractive.

Shearer68
06-30-09, 13:42
Hi Sudsoz,

I believe that the bar you are talking about was Cafe Latin on Dong Du.They are opening a new one on Ton That Thiep called Phatty's next week similiar set up.Voodoo on the same street I think is a good normal bar too.

Guapo28
06-30-09, 14:37
I also posted this in the other areas thread, but I think anyone mongering in Vietnam should be aware of this.

Warning- On June 25th, I was in Hue and looking for a little action. In the main tourist area, it was common for moto or cyclo drivers to approach you with offers of $10 girls, so finally I decided to take one of them up on the offer, and it was a three minute ride to a place which was on a main street but set back from it. I walk in and choose my girl who was nothing fantastic but acceptable for $10. We go in a room which only had couches and a tray of beverages and food was brought in (yes, I did figure I would be paying something for this). I grabbed a beer and she helped herself to a soda without asking. We kissed for a little bit and then she starts feeding me fruit from the tray. Then she opens a small bag of chips and I started telling her no, stop opening stuff (although she didn't really speak English, but my body language was clear) because I could see exactly where this was going. Then she opens a bottle of water and tries to get me to drink it and I was like I have my beer and refused. Anyway, then she said suck suck, and I was like yea, that is what I came for. We bargain, she started at 500, 000 (a far cry from the $10 I was promised), but being Vietnam I bargained her down to 200, 000. She wanted the money and I paid in advance (always a bad idea and I do know better). The result was a lousy handjob with no lubricant. I said wait a minute, you said suck suck, and she said yes, sook sook with a hand motion as if that is the Vietnamese word for a handjob, I of course wasn't buying but not a lot I could do.

I wish that was the worst of this story, but it is not. After I finished she wiped me off and then immediately opened the door and started saying something in Vietnamese, I did not even have my pants up yet and was like what the fuck. I told her to close the door and she ignored me. Then, three more people came in, an overweight bouncer type, the boss, and another girl, and they look at the tray and started writing out a bill, which I knew was coming. They wanted a whopping 1 million dong, which I laughed at, and said no way in hell. They tried to say there was a room charge and all this stuff, and I said frankly the girl was lousy, the only thing I actually opened was a beer, and a beer, soda, some fruit, small bag of chips, and even the bottle of water that the girl opened did not add up to 1 million, maybe like 50, 000. They even pointed to the moist towlettes, saying that was part of the bill. I was like whatever and attempted to just leave, not an option as I was pushed back, so I just sat down on the couch and figured I had to wait them out a bit. Of course, they were yelling at me and trying to intimidate me, but I remained defiant. Then they dropped it down to 300, 000. I still refused and they were not happy, threatening to kill me. I told them to go ahead (because I knew they were full of shit). I also told them I would be calling the police and the boss said he owned the police and he was with the mafia, which I laughed at. He said he was going to get his club, I told him to go ahead. Then they dropped it to 200, 000, and I still said it was too much. At that point he grabbed my throat as if he was going to choke me, but really didn't choke or hurt me. He again said he was going to kill me and that he was going to get his club. I told him to go ahead. He then left the room (not a good sign) and actually came back with a club, I showed no fear but I was getting very concerned even though I really thought they were full of shit. They said 100, 000 and I said okay, I paid it, and they walked me outside, where motorbikes were waiting. The motorbike drivers did the typical calling out of motorbike, and I said no, I don't need to go anywhere, I just need to find a phone to call the police. I walked out to the main road and took note of the surroundings and the addresses of the neighboring buildings so I could remember where this was and identify it for the police. The asshole boss then came out and gave me a 50, 000 note and said here, now you only pay 50, 000, now go. I took a motorbike, still taking note of the way back and how to get there. When I got back to my hotel (small guesthouse), I said that I needed to talk to the police and asked them to call them for me. Apparently the owner of the hotel is also a police officer, so they said they could definitely help me. They called a friend who speaks good English, and I told him the whole story. He said yes, the police will do something, we will go talk to the owner, he is police. The two of them talked in Vietnamese, and then they asked me where it was, I gave them complete directions with street address, and the cop/owner changed the look on his face when he heard the directions. I was then told that it was too far away (3 minutes by motorbike) for the police to do anything, and that I just needed to be careful, which I saw straight through, obviously they do have a police connection.

Anyway, I guess the most important thing is to follow basic mongering rules, never pay in advance, don't bring more money than you need in case you get robbed (an empty wallet would also help bargain them down, showing them you don't have it.) Also, going to places recommended on this forum is probably a safer bet. If you do wind up in a situation like this, just remain defiant, stay strong, and be prepared to wait. Oh, and two days later in Hanoi I found myself trapped in the back of a taxi (doors/windows wouldn't open) with a rigged meter that ran ten times as fast and the driver wouldn't let me out as I refused to pay. I again just waited it out and after about twenty minutes I was freed without paying a cent. Apparently, only take taxis with reputable companies. I have been to 22 countries, including supposedly dangerous ones in Central America, and Brazil, mongered and traveled all over, but I have never had these kinds of issues anywhere else.

Phantomtiger2
06-30-09, 23:37
response message didn't take, see above

Phantomtiger2
06-30-09, 23:39
Anyway, I guess the most important thing is to follow basic mongering rules, never pay in advance, don't bring more money than you need in case you get robbed (an empty wallet would also help bargain them down, showing them you don't have it.) Also, going to places recommended on this forum is probably a safer bet.



If you do wind up in a situation like this, just remain defiant, stay strong, and be prepared to wait..



I would say that in general, the above is correct except not all countries or places will allow action without payment first, many places require "barfines" or payment first to mommies (ex: Thailand, Singapore, Philly, etc before anything can happen, and yes this will not always work out to your benefit but not always.
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Being defiant?
This is not always a wise situation as you could be in serious trouble -either hurt or killed as human life in these 3rd world countries is almost worthless to them since they dont know you at all.
I know of serious but true situations as they were told to me by people I know. Happened in "civilized China (South)-so forget about Viet or other Southeast Asian places, a friend of a friend was lured to a apt by taxi driver and SW (both in on it to rob you), the guy only had maybe $75 on him but it was not enough for the 4 guys with knives waiting inside. He resisted and They actually cut him twice to make a point and wouldve slit his throat unless he went to ATM machine to withdraw as much as the machine would allow (think it was $500 or 1000).

Also, a bad incident happen to a drinking buddy I met last time in Cambo.
He was also lured into a situation and was defiant. He got beat up pretty badly as they were not amused by his saying no and didnt believe they would do anything to him. Well, he was wrong.

Also, being safely at home in our Western safety, I hear on the news sometimes how muggers will simply shoot someone to death without blinking an eye just because someone refused to hand over a wallet or purse. So not always wide to be defiant.

I think you were lucky this time.---IMO

PT

Sharka
07-01-09, 01:36
I would say that in general, the above is correct except not all countries or places will allow action without payment first, many places require "barfines" or payment first to mommies (ex: Thailand, Singapore, Philly, etc before anything can happen, and yes this will not always work out to your benefit but not always.
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Being defiant?
This is not always a wise situation as you could be in serious trouble -either hurt or killed as human life in these 3rd world countries is almost worthless to them since they dont know you at all.
I know of serious but true situations as they were told to me by people I know. Happened in "civilized China (South)-so forget about Viet or other Southeast Asian places, a friend of a friend was lured to a apt by taxi driver and SW (both in on it to rob you), the guy only had maybe $75 on him but it was not enough for the 4 guys with knives waiting inside. He resisted and They actually cut him twice to make a point and wouldve slit his throat unless he went to ATM machine to withdraw as much as the machine would allow (think it was $500 or 1000).

Also, a bad incident happen to a drinking buddy I met last time in Cambo.
He was also lured into a situation and was defiant. He got beat up pretty badly as they were not amused by his saying no and didnt believe they would do anything to him. Well, he was wrong.

Also, being safely at home in our Western safety, I hear on the news sometimes how muggers will simply shoot someone to death without blinking an eye just because someone refused to hand over a wallet or purse. So not always wide to be defiant.

I think you were lucky this time.---IMO

PT


Agree with your thoughts as I was a victim of a mugger years ago back home and I can tell from his attitude and the way he pointed the gun at me, he had no 2nd thoughts about wasting me if I even hassled him a little.--shit it scares me to think about it even now and how lucky I am just to lose the wallet.

And also true about other asian countries (like China) as I had read other mongers telling of beatings and being lured for money.

Bottom line: if you are outnumbered and out weaponed and you are NOT Bruce Lee, then being defiant could be the last thing you do in this lifetime. Not worth losing your teeth or your life for money.--this is my Opinion on this subject.

Shark

Nail The World
07-01-09, 14:39
in keeping with the subject matter at hand i have to do this.

this only details what another fellow monger had already described was likely to happen. i am only confirming that it does happen. cute motorbike girls in the evening and at night, by themselves and riding behind an old lady around pham ngu lao and trang hung dao, bad news. because i had read that report i knew what to expect so what happened was not a surprise. but the fact still stands that i let it happen! ah the lure of asian pussy!

last week on pham ngu lao around 8pm i was approached by two cutie pies on two separate occasions, one looked like a ladyboy and the other one really really hot, and offered massage for $10 with more for $20. i asked the cute one for the next day but that offer was not accepted. they both were really pushy. i was going to meet someone shortly so i didn't take it up.

later around 11pm i was walking on trang hung dao and two motorbikes come. one being driven by a cutie and one by mamasan with a cutie pillion riding. both cutie pies with immaculate makeup, both 8+, both eminently doable. offer - $10 massage, more for $20. the setup screams fraud but i had had relatively easy time so far so to add some excitement i said yes. in the back of my head i was thinking whatever i can get from this cutie would be a bonus. somehow i hadn't been able to get my hands on this kind of merchandise in the bars. she wouldn't go to my hotel because "no id". the girl is not ****. she is easy in early 20s. even then "no id". second opportunity to walk away turned down by me.

i had to go to their hotel mimosa. mamasan gets off and cutie pie drives me to the hotel. the hotel is not mimosa! the hotel name is something else! third opportunity to walk away turned down by the little head. anything, anything i can from this vietnamese hottie.

she checks herself in, gives some money, everything happens super fast. i see a lot of cuties around there. this looked like some kind of base. an army of cutie pies! take the staircase to the third (top) floor. i get asked for money upfront even when they had said that i would need to pay only "later". i pay her 300k. i know this is bullshit so i try to delay the thing and light a cigarette. hottie wouldn't let me smoke, she pushed me into the shower half way through the smoke. i grabbed my clothes along with me and walked into the bathroom, she shut the bathroom door. after a while she opened the door herself, smiled forcefully and stepped away. opportunity to pick the pocket while i am in the shower was removed. what had to happen if they were to really do this was to get someone under the bed. maybe this was why she completely shut the bathroom door.

i light another cigarette and lie on the bed face down. extraordinarily bad beating, sound making, kind of massage ensues for 30 seconds. then she asks me to turn my head. oh boy. they really really have to do this. the fact that the guy is being careful flies over their head. extraordinarily bad massage begins again. if they are to do something they've got to be doing it now i was thinking. i don't turn my head immediately. one minute passes then i turn my head on the pretext of using the ashtray. she immediately dropped her head in front of me and said something. in the meantime i saw what i thought i would see. these kinds of stories i have read mostly on the cambodia forum. i see a guy on his fours withdrawing from my trousers with his head pointed in my direction. they are determined. they just absolutely have to do this. i don't react. i act like i didn't see anything. i just didn't want to create a panic situation. panic is where really bad things can happen. and i am naked and vulnerable. i will see about it later i thought. moments later she starts talking, "are you talking to me?" i said. she says "boyfriend". she was talking into her cellphone. moments later knock on the door. mamasan that was driving this chick walks in, the chick hurries out the door. they are just shameless. give the guy at least something. something, anything! how different is this from snatching money from a guy standing next to you? this is bullshit of highest degree. but i can't say that i didn't know this right from the start! "she has to see her boyfriend" she says motioning something from her hand. i throw my hands in the air thinking "what the fuck?".

i dress up, mamasan looks inquisitively at my trousers as she hands them over to me. game over. my and their foolishness is over. now it's time for episode 2. mamasan says "girl", "hotel". i am not listening. i have figure out how to handle part two. i follow mamasan down, slip my hands into my pocket, i see two 100k bills, i was keeping loose money with no wallet, stuff from the middle is gone. mamasan gallops ahead. i follow her all the way to reception and stop. she charges out of the hotel, never looks back. what the fuck is she thinking? even if the guy didn't know that his pocket had been picked, he was going to say "something". you can just charge him 300k for nothing! and specially when this place looks like a base, there's got to be somebody else he could talk to.

i don't step out of the main entrance in case they lock me out. i move around the reception area, light a cigarette and position myself on the corner of sofa. i don't see any shady characters, a few small sized hotel workers hanging around. there's a restaurant right across and it is active so i see few chances of a fight going down. then i see two cutie pies pulling two relatively young asian guys from their hands trying to take them outside. what's this, inside out operation like mine was outside in, i thought? anyhow, to make my intentions of being there clear, i yell to the guys "watch your pocket". the nervous guy immediately pulls out his wallet. the girl is shocked! who the fuck is he and what the fuck is he doing here? after some more nervous shuffle among the guys and girls i yell again "they will steal your money!". the girls pulled the guys back inside and one of them yelled "you no good!". you're damn right babe, i am no good, no good for your operation. another one gets on the cell phone and yells vehemently into it. something's happening they all know now. a motorbike guy starts waving at me from outside. they want to send me away. really? with no sign of impending threat? not yet my friend. i do throw my hands in the air and ask him "what??".

after some time the old lady at the counter smiles and asks as if she doesn't know anything "who are you waiting for?". "the girl who came with me". "your friend has already left". "no problem, she'll be back with another customer". "what?". "she stole my money". then she says something to a smart looking guy in vietnamese and says to me smiling, "my son". he comes over and say something. i reply, "well, like you know what these girls are doing in your hotel, one of them stole my money and i want my money back". "what?", he doesn't know anything. you kidding me asshole?

i have finished my second cigarette by this time and i am staying put. if these are the guys i will have to engage with then i can do it i thought. i still don't see anything that would scare me. total 15-20 minutes have passed. now an ugly looking woman walks out and hands me over the missing 100k bills. i count them and point my fingers for 3 bills more. only these she insists by hand. i pointed to the money then pointed to my pocket, pointed 3 fingers again and said "girl". she nods, goes back in and comes out with 3 more. i collect the money, ask her to step away from the door, walk out, curse at the motorbike guy still standing outside looking at me, call the smart looking guy an asshole, repeat it on his request and storm off.

i was thinking whether i should go to the police or not. i didn't want to grab the nearby motorbike guys but then i didn't want to stay there much longer either. reluctantly i grabbed one asked and him to go to my street. he might have driven a few meters when we approach an intersection where i see two cops who were working on a driver they had stopped. excellent opportunity. i get off the bike, wouldn't have to give away my location i thought, give him 5k, and walk over to the police. story to be continued, there was as much fun with the police as with the chicks.

the hotel was hong bong hotel, 54 hung vuong street, ho chi minh city between the streets of le hong phong and ho thi ky. dangerous. bad. criminal.

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Nail The World
07-01-09, 17:00
Seeing the opportunity of being able to get rid of the motorbike driver I didn't want from that location I walk over to the cops. At the very least the thugs couldn't send their army at me and I could pick a new driver and go home. I decided I want to take it one step further and actually file a report. The fact that my name would be attached to the report and could, at some future time when I decided to run for president, be culled by someone and used against me notwithstanding. I was going to do it.

The cops don't understand jackshit. They take the help of the driver they are busy mugging. This is not going well. The driver using a mixture of Vietnamese, English and hand signs manages to tell me I need to go to the nearby police station which is round the corner somewhere. That was enough. I immediately grabbed a taxi and asked him to go to the "police station". His excitement balloon popped, he stopped understanding anything and parked his taxi by the curb. WTF I thought. Next the motorbike guy. He wouldn't go. This was fucking crazy. They've got to know the police station these scumbags who drive for a living. I thought this was the end but it was not. As I started walking away the same cops drove up from god knows where, probably they were watching. They said something in Vietnamese and the motorbike guy promptly brought me to the police station. And at a fair price too.

Walk into the police station and explain my story. I had glanced at the hotel name and I thought I knew what the name was but these guys said there wasn't any hotel with that name. "Go round the corner and you will see it. Big yellow sign. I will show you if you want me to", I said. One of the policemen then drove off to who knows where. I was given a form and I started writing. There it goes, along with all the gory details of the shady activity I had committed to but which were not performed on me. Because they were not performed I could be a little obscure but even then there was enough material to make me lose my chance to be the president. I was going to do it. Out of hundreds who get robbed like this there must be a few who would do it. I was ready to be one of them. I am often ready to take the other side because SOMEBODY should. A lot of slow drivers in the left lane at some place in some country realize this very well. A lesson has been taught to them. Somebody should let them know there is a consequence. Life isn't big enough to let such people get by every time, there need to be more frequent hurdles.

The policeman who had driven off now comes back with someone who speaks little bit of English. That was progress. Story repeated with the same result. "There is no such hotel". "It's right around the corner goddammit!!!", I wished I could speak this without jeopardizing whatever progress I was making. "Ok, this station doesn't cover the location you are suggesting. There's another station with jurisdiction of that area". This is also progress I convinced myself. They got a sentry of theirs to drive me to the other police station on his motorbike.

Sentry drops me there walks inside and waked up his counterpart. The new sentry walks over half dozing. Story repeated. "There is no such hotel". "YOU BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!", I wished I could say this. I was getting really pissed at them, much more than I was at the people who had tried to rob me. The original guy who had driven me there and who I had tipped 20K by mistake thinking he was just a motorbike driver took charge and drove me back to the hotel. He stopped his bike at the gate, I noted the hotel name and address, the old lady at the reception noticed that I was back and must have noticed the uniform of my driver. This was the most I was going to accomplish in terms of threatening them.

Back to police station two. Now the hotel exists. The officer in charge is woken up. He listens half sleeping half awake. Goes inside and sends the sentry outside to ask me to come back the next day in the morning and keeps the paperwork.

I was still determined to do it. I go there next day at 9am sharp as requested. The officer there doesn't know jackshit. My paperwork is on his desk at the top. Story repeated. "You need to go to the Pham Ngu Lao police station. Point of first contact".

Bullshit! Son of a *****! Asshole!

It had to end at some point and after this I didn't have any more energy to file complaint with the FUCKING Vietnam police.

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The Guy
07-02-09, 01:02
It might be counterintuitive but I'd suggest making the complaint to the local USA Consulate or embassy when something like this happens. They update reports on Internet regularly. I know it seems strange to go to the "feds" where mongering is involved but they are used to it. You can ask to speak to a male USA Consul if that makes it more comfortable. I know several cases where the consul has either helped out the victim, or put the event on the Internet, which many travelers read. (Obviously, mongering should never involve minors, which is illegal under USA Law.)

Columpuss
07-02-09, 17:08
The Guy

You must be kidding me!!!!!!

Nail the world

bad bad choice!!! next time, go with your intuition.

My suggestion to the greenhorns, read the forum and learn.

The Guy
07-02-09, 23:13
The Guy

You must be kidding me!I understand your view, columpuss. But I've known several persons who have made use of a consul in this manner. Keep in mind that it's not against U.S. law to monger abroad - hence the legality of viewing this site from the U.S. (However, it is against the law to use minors for prostitution or photography, regardless of where in the world it happens.)

OzzieSuds
07-03-09, 00:42
It might be counterintuitive but I'd suggest making the complaint to the local USA Consulate or embassy when something like this happens. They update reports on Internet regularly. I know it seems strange to go to the "feds" where mongering is involved but they are used to it. You can ask to speak to a male USA Consul if that makes it more comfortable. I know several cases where the consul has either helped out the victim, or put the event on the Internet, which many travelers read. (Obviously, mongering should never involve minors, which is illegal under USA Law.)

Jesus H Christ - another naive American. And once your juiced up Feds complain to the locals how many more raids will there be to reduce the embarrassment?

Columpuss has it right - RTFF and keep your wits about you. Simple.

Columpuss
07-03-09, 05:20
sometimes the mongers forget that they are also engaging in illegal activities. The world we deal with to satisfy our 'little boys' needs is a dark one and it is inevitable that we run into trouble. Unless bodily harm is involved, guys, you just have to swallow your pride and move on. The only good thing you can do is report it in the forum.
I once asked a local friend about girls on motobikes. He just simply said that he wouldn't even recommmed to a Viet local.

Nail The World
07-03-09, 07:18
sometimes the mongers forget that they are also engaging in illegal activities. The world we deal with to satisfy our 'little boys' needs is a dark one and it is inevitable that we run into trouble. Unless bodily harm is involved, guys, you just have to swallow your pride and move on. The only good thing you can do is report it in the forum.

I once asked a local friend about girls on motobikes. He just simply said that he wouldn't even recommmed to a Viet local.You may be giving up too easily. I think you should look to maximize what you can do. Because this is what they are trying to do too. They are looking to maximize the money they make while minimizing the time. And if they have access to items of physical threat, given the opportunity, they will use it or display it. I was capitalizing on the fact that they didn't.

Why couldn't this particular episode have been reported as a pickpocketing crime? Especially when the episode lasted about two minutes without my partaking in anything illegal? More so, when the place was actually a base of the army of robbers? They clearly had a heck of a lot to lose. What would be wrong with generating a crime record with the hotel name, receptionist's name and probably the girl's name too so that if ever there was a more serious crime involving these people there would be some history available to solidify the case against them?

I was actually on my way home because I had received all my money back and I thought I had raised enough storm. Seeing the cops I thought I could take it one step further. I persisted with the process as long as there were hurdles that could be easily overcome. I dropped the chase when I felt like it. I've plenty of time at hand.

At least I learned a lesson. Unless there is bodily harm there's no way in hell you can actually file a report even if you wanted to. If your money is lost you ARE on your own whether or not you wanted to.

OzzieSuds
07-03-09, 11:02
Let's get this straight - we are talking about Vietnam and not the USofA.

And anything to do with P4P is illegal in Vietnam and is tolerated as it fullfills a need but only for as long as it does not cause a fuss.

Any stirring up of Authorities - local police, consuls, whatever - will result in crackdowns and reduced opportunities for us all. That is the cold hard facts.

The advice from Columpuss (twice now) is sound.

AdHome01
07-03-09, 16:44
What happen to NTW happens all day long in Viet Nam. If you’re not careful and ignore your instincts, it will eventually happen to you. A long time ago a monger here gave some great and simple advice. Roll up your pants (with your money) and keep it behind the pillow you’re using. Through the years I’ve used that advice (thanks to whomever it was) and it has served me well.

I would also advise not bothering with the police unless something physical happens. Mongering in VN is much easier then it was four or five years ago and I'd like for it to stay that way.

It was a great story though and had me on the edge of my seat reading it. Thanks NTW for telling your story and warning other mongers.

Milkweed
07-04-09, 01:03
Went back to a cafe om on PVT a couple times this week. I went to the nicer, cleaner looking one.

First time I met an ok looking 20 year old. Went for the massage. Mostly HJ with a little BJ. She pulled her pants down and shirt up. Nice firm breasts, but I was dismayed to find a little nipple hair.

Second time I met a cute 19 year old. Warned me up front that she did not do BJ. This didn't bother me as the last one hadn't really done much BJ either. She pulled her shirt and pants down and. Nice body. Small perky breasts.

Cost is 100, 000 vnd including a beverage.

I like that there is no hassle at this place. The price is cheap and upfront.

Milkweed
07-04-09, 01:17
There are some on Huynh Man that. On the dark side of the street. They don't have helmets.

There are some standing by the park on Nguyen Chi Thanh. Are they ladyboys? Sorry, but the one I stopped and talked to had a husky voice and the other one just looked a little funny.

There was a woman on a bicycle parked at the end of the park. I was curious so drove over to her, but she didn't remove the mask so I felt cautious and moved on.

I picked one up this week. First time. I did a terrible job negotiating and so paid 300, 000. She started to direct me to a hotel, but I took her to my place. I think this surprised her, but she didn't mind. Wanted the money up front. Demanded it. I held firm that I would pay after and she gave in. She protested a little when I requested a variety of positions, but gave in easily. Not a GF experience, but nice fun girl.

Columpuss
07-04-09, 03:52
you are right Sudsoz, raids are inevitable after so many reports.

Nail the World

Feel for you, been there before. But it's like calling 911 when a drug deal gone bad. Those guys won't be in business for long. There are legit short time rooms in the PNLao area that you can bring the girls there to avoid being ganged up.

Lakeoffire1
07-04-09, 08:34
Hi guys I passed by Ung Van Kiem street today and I saw a lot of Café om, I can bet! Did you someone already try it there? Just want some feedback.

Thanks

Milkweed
07-05-09, 07:32
Drove around here today but came up empty. Talked to two girls who I asked to lower their masks. Neither would so I drove off. Saw two cute girls squatting on the curb at the park. When I drove by I thought they waved at me so I stopped. But it turned out to be the VN "no" wave. Either they weren't working or only take VN as customers.

I'm a selective buyer so I really want to see before agreeing. I guess night time is the way to go, but even then I don't see a lot to choose from here.

Milkweed
07-05-09, 09:41
Hi guys I passed by Ung Van Kiem street today and I saw a lot of Café om, I can bet! Did you someone already try it there? Just want some feedback.

ThanksHere is a report:

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Johndao
07-28-09, 05:38
Mongers, if you like BIG ONES (.) (.) there were two young lovelies in Smileys when I was there last March with D sized cups. Cute, too, and not fat. Super sexy. They wanted 1,000,000 a piece (yeah right) but I negotiated to 600K including photos. I swear one of them must have the biggest tits in the whole country!D Cups,

Ok, they are lovely, they have huge tits, you got them CHEAP at 600k WITH photos. Great for you. So where are the photos? Why not post them here in the photo gallery? What's the point of this info or this boast without the pictures?

JD

Crazyazn
07-29-09, 02:31
Went back to a cafe om on PVT a couple times this week. I went to the nicer, cleaner looking one.

First time I met an ok looking 20 year old. Went for the massage. Mostly HJ with a little BJ. She pulled her pants down and shirt up. Nice firm breasts, but I was dismayed to find a little nipple hair.

Second time I met a cute 19 year old. Warned me up front that she did not do BJ. This didn't bother me as the last one hadn't really done much BJ either. She pulled her shirt and pants down and. Nice body. Small perky breasts.

Cost is 100, 000 vnd including a beverage.

I like that there is no hassle at this place. The price is cheap and upfront.What's street is pvt, or what is the cross street and name of the place.

Thanks!

Whisper1
07-29-09, 05:23
What's street is pvt, or what is the cross street and name of the place.

Thanks!PVT- Phan Van Tri in go vap district.

Milkweed
07-30-09, 04:19
Went with a buddy to a bia om in D5. We had our pick of several girls. Had some beers and a couple plates of food. (The food is not recommended! ) The girls wanted to open snacks and more beer, but did listen when we said no. Older woman (what is her job? ) came in and helped herself to a beer. One of the girls spoke a little English. Total bill was 250, 000. Tipped each girl 100, 000. Tipped old women and waiter 50, 000 each at girls request (regretted this.). Oh, parking was 10, 000.

Got the girls phone #. She seems eager to meet.

Any advice on this?

Wendella
07-30-09, 10:56
Older woman (what is her job? ) came in and helped herself to a beer. Her job is to come in and help herself to a beer. ;)

Columpuss
07-30-09, 14:28
Went with a buddy to a bia om in D5. We had our pick of several girls. Had some beers and a couple plates of food. (The food is not recommended! ) The girls wanted to open snacks and more beer, but did listen when we said no. Older woman (what is her job? ) came in and helped herself to a beer. One of the girls spoke a little English. Total bill was 250, 000. Tipped each girl 100, 000. Tipped old women and waiter 50, 000 each at girls request (regretted this.). Oh, parking was 10, 000.

Got the girls phone #. She seems eager to meet.

Any advice on this?You are lucky that the bill is only 250 thous. You should have researched this forum before you go.

This place seems like a more legit beer om, many others are out to rip you off.

The older one is the mamasan. Frequent customers depend on her to reserve the right girl, or convince them to go out with you and such, for many new girls arriving from the province are very hesitant.

My friend hosts many of his international business clients in such a place. His mamasan gets big tips for reserving the best girls when they visit.

Milkweed
07-31-09, 02:50
Oh, so I have her phone number.

I want to call and set something up.

How much should I pay? How should I play it?

Lakeoffire1
08-01-09, 05:33
Yesterday me and my friend wanted to get some chicks, so we tried the motorbike girls in XVNT. The price was 400000 for ST after negociation. Arrived in my bedroom, the girls was fast to get naked but no entertainment. Then well I got naked too and she showed me her condom, "hello" brand, I don't even trust this brand. But I was almost putting it when she said that I needed it because she got AIDS. I asked her 5times to repeat and she said so. I'm sorry but I don't put my dick in that hole. So well I have paid already (and I know it was already a mistake.) so I was ok for a BJ as it's less risky for this infection. Well she didn't want to do a BJ!

I said what the fuck is that girl and she was always looking me with her agressive face. I've been out. I tried to call my friend to inform him about that and he was also out, him because the girl was not moving at all.

Finally we came back home alone and full. Bad experience!

Hopefully the billard place we've been first on HBT was way better, as we won at the billard and my girl was very entertaining, sad that she was stupid to try to get a fuck for 1, 4M, sorry I'm not interested!

Hopefully my gf arrive next week.

Mik Hcmc
08-01-09, 08:14
Yesterday me and my friend wanted to get some chicks, so we tried the motorbike girls in XVNT. The price was 400000 for ST after negociation. Arrived in my bedroom, the girls was fast to get naked but no entertainment. Then well I got naked too and she showed me her condom, "hello" brand, I don't even trust this brand. But I was almost putting it when she said that I needed it because she got AIDS. I asked her 5times to repeat and she said so. I'm sorry but I don't put my dick in that hole. So well I have paid already (and I know it was already a mistake.) so I was ok for a BJ as it's less risky for this infection. Well she didn't want to do a BJ!

I said what the fuck is that girl and she was always looking me with her agressive face. I've been out. I tried to call my friend to inform him about that and he was also out, him because the girl was not moving at all.

Finally we came back home alone and full. Bad experience!

Hopefully the billard place we've been first on HBT was way better, as we won at the billard and my girl was very entertaining, sad that she was stupid to try to get a fuck for 1, 4M, sorry I'm not interested!

Hopefully my gf arrive next week.Sorry to hear about your night but Welcome to Vietnam. Shit like this is common, Hard to find girls who are performers and not scamming money hungry *****s. There is a reason why many people prefer Thailand/Phil's/Cambo/Laos over Vietnam. Having said that there are also the gems you need to uncover and when you do its worthwhile going through all the dud roots.

Wendella
08-01-09, 09:04
Yesterday me and my friend wanted to get some chicks, so we tried the motorbike girls in XVNT. The price was 400000 for ST after negociation. Arrived in my bedroom, the girls was fast to get naked but no entertainment. Then well I got naked too and she showed me her condom, "hello" brand, I don't even trust this brand. But I was almost putting it when she said that I needed it because she got AIDS. I asked her 5times to repeat and she said so. I'm sorry but I don't put my dick in that hole. So well I have paid already (and I know it was already a mistake.) so I was ok for a BJ as it's less risky for this infection. Well she didn't want to do a BJ!

I said what the fuck is that girl and she was always looking me with her agressive face. I've been out. I tried to call my friend to inform him about that and he was also out, him because the girl was not moving at all.

Finally we came back home alone and full. Bad experience!

Hopefully the billard place we've been first on HBT was way better, as we won at the billard and my girl was very entertaining, sad that she was stupid to try to get a fuck for 1, 4M, sorry I'm not interested!

Hopefully my gf arrive next week.

Sounds like this place is to be avoided now. No way to know what % of clients use condoms with them, and if many don't then it seems as if the spread of this to other girls could be swift, since surely many clients would go back with other girls later and thereby spread the infection to the rest. I will say that when driving in that area, I have seen what look like African guys going there to pick up girls -- and I don't intend this in any racist way at all but the fact is that the incidence of HIV in Sub-Sahara Africa is by far the highest in the world. The main contributing factor is that guys there hate using condoms and are very resistent to taking precautions (and also many there believe such absurd myths like a good cure for AIDS is to have sex with a virgin). For us, this basically means that we need to avoid going with girls who get picked up by those guys (but how to know? you can't -- well, you heard here just now, I have seen them being picked up there by them). Someone should actually warn these girls.

All that said, it's also entirely possible this girl was BS'ing you.

I'm surprised you went ahead and got a BJ after hearing that news. Low risk isn't no risk. What if she had a sore in her mouth, for instance. No way to know. Be careful.

Sorry if this all seems paranoid and / or over the top. It's a pretty serious matter though, better to gamble on the safe side.

OzzieSuds
08-01-09, 10:08
All that said, it's also entirely possible this girl was BS'ing you.



This possibility gets my vote. I doubt if a motogal would know what AIDS really is - most likely its a good excuse to get away without doing the deed.

My recent forays into the HBT bars have seen a lot of gals on the rags - probably for the same reason.

But you can't be sure so I agree with Wendella's words of caution.

Columpuss
08-01-09, 11:37
Totally agree with Sudsoz. Just like the 'red flag' excuse, they just want to get out of there quickly. I don't know why you even fall for it.
Again, the warnings have been up there many times before and you guys just keep ignoring them or never bothered to do the homework in the forum.
Actions on the streets are generally to be avoided unless you're a tough SOB.

Wendella
08-01-09, 16:13
Well I'd definitely never be mistaken for a tough SOB, and I used to visit these areas on occassion. No serious problems for me. Not sure if that makes me lucky. But I'd say the risk of disease is just too high there. Not just AIDS but other kinds. These girls are pretty hardcore. They'll do as many customers in an evening as they can.

Mik Hcmc
08-01-09, 17:15
There is a HIV AIDS poster on that street near the bridge I think.

Also my wife tells me the girls and ladyboys that wait for customers along that stretch are full of HIV and other nasties. I tried asking her where there are clean girls and she just stared at me in disbelief.

Lakeoffire1
08-01-09, 18:30
Totally agree with Sudsoz. Just like the 'red flag' excuse, they just want to get out of there quickly. I don't know why you even fall for it. Again, the warnings have been up there many times before and you guys just keep ignoring them or never bothered to do the homework in the forum.

Actions on the streets are generally to be avoided unless you're a tough SOB.It's not that I ignore the advises on the forum, I read everything and I knew that. Well it was a bad experience but that's not mean it's always like this and you can probably get something better on the other day.

So just me I want to share this experience in order to help us locate the good spot as well as the spot to avoid like this one. This is the goal of the forum.

After that I agree that the girls might have bullshiting me, but I'll never know and I prefer avoided as if I was drunk. Anyway I'm pretty sure that girl wouldn't have been great, so it's just better like this!

Nail The World
08-04-09, 13:25
I have indulged myself about 4 times in this area and I have a 100% failure rate. I kept trying hoping that there would be one, just one, I could find who would understand the concept of service, but no. If I were to describe them in a few words I would call them "hardened cold blooded criminals". I am talking about both the mobile and stationary ones.

They are criminals. They are NOT hookers. The do not understand service. They run a scam hour after hour, day after day. Their only purpose is to fleece you of your money and do this to as many people as possible. They are cute and good looking ONLY up to the point where they receive your money. I kept giving this area a try because no report here had ruled it out completely, only mentioning that there "might" be a few good ones. I am here telling you this area has to be absolutely and unconditionally avoided. There's NOTHING here that will make you feel good. If there ever was something worth trying for, well, it's not there now. As of this date this is a crime scene.

They demand money upfront. They absolutely have to have it because they know if they were to be paid based on their service they won't make any money. Rule number one for engaging with a girl for P4P is to not pay in advance. It's the opposite in their books and it is for a reason. I had had some deals falls through because I insisted on not paying upfront. They are ready to let go of such clients. Now why on earth would a P4P girl let go of a client if the price is acceptable?

Once they have the money in their hands their robot gets into action. You have to play along because if you don't then you get cold hard stare that tells you in no uncertain terms that you are either in or out my friend.

In all cases I was out of the hotel in half an hour or less. They all had conditions that I would kick them out for if I had not paid in advance. In one case I was ready to kick the girl out within 5 minutes of her being in my hotel room. She had to be paid upfront, I did kick her out and she did get to keep all the money.

The thing is, if you don't like something, who are you going to complain to? There's no mamasan you can talk to, no address that you can review on the forum.

Avoid the fucking bitches driving around and standing still on the bridge and in the vicinity. This area is a scene of non stop crime, there's no mongering to be done here.

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OzzieSuds
08-04-09, 21:19
Avoid the fucking bitches driving around and standing still on the bridge and in the vicinity. This area is a scene of non stop crime, there's no mongering to be done here.

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With all due respect to the editor or Jackson - why would we want this as a R of D? He is talking about an area that is well known for scams and he fails to follow the first rule given in these thread - that is to never pay up front.

There are other guys that are having success in this area so why give so much credibility to a report that goes against the trend.

FriendlyPlanet
08-05-09, 04:31
With all due respect to the editor or Jackson - why would we want this as a R of D? He is talking about an area that is well known for scams and he fails to follow the first rule given in these thread - that is to never pay up front.

There are other guys that are having success in this area so why give so much credibility to a report that goes against the trend.

Sudsoz,

As reported in other threads, the request to link to the R of D is an automatic response for the first time a newbie posts a message of over a certain length. Looks even odder when a verbose new poster puts up a long list of info requests! Can't expect Jackson to read every post, though...

Nail The World
08-05-09, 10:49
With all due respect to the editor or Jackson - why would we want this as a R of D? He is talking about an area that is well known for scams and he fails to follow the first rule given in these thread - that is to never pay up front.

There are other guys that are having success in this area so why give so much credibility to a report that goes against the trend.Nonsense.

There's not one report categorically ruling out this area except for what has been posted just recently. There are single encounter reports of unsatisfactory performance with the caveat that there "might" be some good apples. I am here telling everyone that for first 4-5 encounters there's nothing but dissatisfaction to be had. And I don't have the motivation to explore any further. With my personal experience I do not see any likelihood of any good fish at all. It's got be a highly exceptional case based primarily on the length of time you have been visiting that area. It may have worked in prehistoric times but today they do not have the attitude and behavior to encourage you to see them again. Money in their hands is the beginning and the end of the deal for them.

I am telling you what's happening right now. I believe that's what the forum is for. If you don't want to believe it, it's your problem. This report was not for you. It was for someone who wanted to find satisfaction in that area. There's none to be had. Someone new go there and make a deal without paying upfront. You can't. They will let you go. And because NO ONE had ruled it out completely I took a few chances. Here I am saying DO NOT go to the bridge connecting Nguyen Thi Minh Khai with Xo Viet N T.

Point me to the report that asks you to "avoid" that area. On second thought I can do without a pissing contest. As for R of D, I will do it myself.

OzzieSuds
08-06-09, 02:00
Nailer - I don't need a pissing contest either.

But the advice is simple - if they want money up front then no deal. There is absolutely no way you will get satisfaction if they already have the money.

And I don't think that we are far apart on that - just that you were sufficiently curious or whatever to try it in order to see what happened.

Good luck with the motogals - there are many nicer morsels to be had in Vietnam.

Nail The World
08-06-09, 05:00
Finally managed to screw a 9. Karaoke girl from Dist 5. 9 for me is a combination of looks, attitude and grace. This one had all of them.

I didn't even know about this area until a taxi driver I've been drinking coffee with for a month brought me to this area a few days ago. He took me to one which was ok, average girls but with splendid attitude. This is the one I went searching for but couldn't find it so I walked into another one.

When I walked in they were a little surprised, maybe because I was alone. Finally I was in the room and finally mamasan brought two girls. And all of a sudden I felt a rush of blood and my eyes widened. Are you kidding me? This is what I've been searching for all along! One total knockout with uninhibited smile, cheerful, unpretentious, confident but unassuming, perfect teeth, taller than average and the other one same height, fair, face better than average but not spectacular, shapely. My preferred one, girl #1 seemed a bit hesitant and laughingly motioned #2 to take the seat. After some hesitation from me they joked, "both?". "Yeah", cheers all around.

Pretty soon I got them singing Vietnamese songs and I targeted both of them alternately. #1 was very cooperative and as it turned out #2 was even more cooperative. She raised her level from 7 to 8 in my eyes. I made use of easy access to tits and found that she had ideal mango shaped tits. Soft body, she could be a 9 in your bed.

I was very impressed. I pulled out my phone and put it in front of #2. She was surprised. She picked it up and gave it back to me. What? I asked, "hotel?". She said no. Alright. Few minutes later I gave my phone to girl #1, she immediately punched in her number. "Ah", sigh of relief from me. "Hotel?". "Ok". Bingo. She was the one I wanted in the first place anyway. From here on full attention to #1 with interruptions on kissing initiatives of #2.

After hearing lot of Vietnamese songs it was time to go. Asked for the bill which I was a little shocked to see. But I noticed that they had already added generous tips for the girls. At this point of time in Vietnam I don't care about this kind of money anyway. Take this money but fucking deliver. Vietnamese haven't come across very well on the delivery side. These girls were outstanding. And I was there to run a show and get a number. This was the price I was going to pay. Once more chance in the name of Vietnamese chicks. As I was leaving I repeatedly confirmed with the girl that she was coming to the hotel.

11 o'clock she finished. Then she made several 20 second calls which I did not understand but which had the words "hotel, taxi, come". I would say yes then she would hang up. She came and delivered solid GFE. First time I can say this in Vietnam. And this from a 9. And she was not from the bars, or motorcycle or street.

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Wendella
08-06-09, 05:13
Nailer et al...

I do believe Nailer's experience there is his honest appraisal of the situation, his own at least. He and I did talk about (PM) how that area works, and what he reported back to me sounded like pretty likely outcomes. I'd say though that it sounded like he had higher expectations of what should be offered than what's normally on offer down there. Also have to keep in mind that that's a group that communicate with each other, and if you have a bad scene with one, you can pretty much bank on bad experiences with the rest after that. That bunch is usually WBTYM, but there are exceptions, or have been in the past. And no, not the 'prehistoric past' -- I think with line's like that he's just exaggerating because he feels irritated by how things went.

When he says 'it's the way it is now' -- I believe it's the way it is now for him, and I have to say that because: it's certainly not the way it was for me. And not that long ago. I don't trust his word over my own experience. On the other hand, it's also possible they've become more hardened recently. But I also have to say I'm not totally convinced of that based on just what I've seen reported form this one member.

Anyway, my current advice for this area, regardless, is to steer clear not due to this but because of the risk of disease, AIDS in particular. These girls do a LOT of business, and they must be about the highest risk working girls in the whole country. They do get picked up by African guys sometimes, and those are some very high risk customers. I hadn't taken this angle seriously enough until the guy who posted recently saying the girl he was with said she was infected. Maybe BS, (probably BS) but... it doeosn't take a genius to figure out which girls in VN would be the highest risk. The ones who sleep with the most different men the most often. Thats them to a T.

To Suds... I also don't think the no money upfront no deal, 0% satisfaction is a hard rule -- I've paid up front a few times and received amazingly good treatment. This segment in particular insist on it more and more these days, and I have a feeling it's due to their being ripped off that this has changed. I can think of 2 examples off top of my head who wanted pay first and then gave great performance.But you have to go by how it feels -- if you're sensing this is a ruthless type of girl, then no. Have to take chances sometimes.

Mash Potatoes
08-06-09, 11:00
My 2 cents.

I've had a few experiences in this area. And yes! 99% of the girls will ask for upfront, but it's really because these girls do really and can easily get shafted (literally as well). So, it's mainly to prevent guys from doing a runner or not paying the initial agreed amount.

Sure, some girls will then roll over and do the starfish, but then again, other girls will really get into it knowing that you're their to have sex and enjoy it, not their to have sex then rip her off.

What I've been able to do is build an understanding with a certain motel owner. So whenever I pick a girl, I will only go to this motel. The owner their will indicate to the girl that I'm a serious player and so immediately she's relaxed when we go to the room. There are only a few number of 'safe' motels that these girls use, so must of the girls already know the place I like. A lot of the times, with this arrangement I don't even have to pay upfront cause the girl knows that I'm not going to do a runner.

The cost? . I pay 100, 000 for the room instead of the usual 50, 000. But for the connivence (I don't have to hand over ID) and working relationship, it's well worth the extra few bucks.

So it's not a dead end down there, just got to have your wits about you, and try to play the situation to your favour.

Cheers

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Macheath
08-06-09, 17:00
Nailer et al...

the risk of disease, AIDS in particular.Not wanting to be controversial, and to be sure there are plenty of STDs around so maybe wise to protect yourself, but does anyone actually know of anyone who has contracted "HIV/Aids" from heterosexual sex, whether with PFP girl or other. I'm not talking about anecdotal evidence of which there is a ton of course.

To my mind there are plenty of things to worry about in this world but this is not one of them.

Kumagai
08-06-09, 23:04
Dear Seniors,

I will be visiting HCMC from 20/8/09 to 25/8/09.

Kindly advice on Bia Om and massage places.

Which hotel is GF and how much for ON gilrs.

Thank you.

Johndao
08-07-09, 03:23
I've always had great luck in the Nguyen Binh Khiem, XVNT, NTMK, Le Duan area. I have take dozens of girls to hotels in the area in the last five years and had barely a problem. Almost always a great hour or 90 mins of suck and fuck and 75% of the time full series pictures as well. Always pay 150k or 200k and 80k for a hotel. Many got only 100k till last year.

There is definitely some skill involved evidently (didn't realize it before, till reading here). If you go for a stunner in revealing, hot clothes who is cruising on a new Attila, Victoria, Elizabeth, Airblade etc. at night you may be in for a scam. I never choose those girls no matter how good they look. If you pay them before you get what you deserve: nothing. They are workers, not a charity. Money ALWAYS come last and if you pay them first, that's the end! I have many pics of girls I met in the area, usually start with them dressed, then undressing, then all sex, and often dressing and leaving. You can see how they dress, who to look for.

PM me if you need more info.

JD

Wendella
08-07-09, 06:33
Not wanting to be controversial, and to be sure there are plenty of STDs around so maybe wise to protect yourself, but does anyone actually know of anyone who has contracted "HIV/Aids" from heterosexual sex, whether with PFP girl or other. I'm not talking about anecdotal evidence of which there is a ton of course.

To my mind there are plenty of things to worry about in this world but this is not one of them.

Not sure how I can answer. You asked if we know of anyone who got the disease, but then you rule out anecdotal evidence, which if we did think of anyone, that's what it would be. "Anecdotal" means isolated individual examples. I guess you meant something else... anyway, it's not important. For me, back in the States I came face to face with plenty of people who had AIDS, some very advanced -- it's pretty chilling. How many? Dozens, I guess. I remember one co-worker in an office I was at for awhile. Emaciated with those brown patches all over. I didn't ask them how they got it, of course. In another forum -- Thailand and scene-related -- I've seen at least one member come on and announce to the community there that he'd contracted it. There might have been one other there too. (I remember another member who came on and said he was terminally ill -- but didn't reveal with what, so that one could have been another disease, or maybe not) (I can't post the site or URL acc to forum rules here but u can PM me for that -- you could go look at the guy's announcement even)

Whether you're going to worry about it or not is a personal choice. My guess is that people who post here, the more experienced you are, the higher the chance you've contracted SOMETHING at some point -- so many of you know by experience that it does happen. And Aids IS out there. Sex workers, females, do have much higher incidence of it than people in the mainstream -- and it is a health issue in Vietnam, hence the signs you see all over town. It's highest in the heroin scene -- and also high in prostitution -- and yes, hetero -- but keep in mind that some of these girls would be doing heroin too.

I guess anyone who wants to not worry about it can do that. But if it's an issue that's out there in the scene, then better for us to discuss it once in awhile here and be aware of it at least. Every person can make their own decisions of course, but better to do that based on knowing than ignorance.

There are websites that have the statistics by country -- so if that's what you are after, I've seen those and could just dig it up again. I expect Vietnam to be lower than most countries (in sub-Sahara Africa its huge for example) but definitely not a place where it doesn't exist.

Wendella
08-07-09, 06:42
If you go for a stunner in revealing, hot clothes who is cruising on a new Attila, Victoria, Elizabeth, Airblade etc. at night you may be in for a scam.

... or a ladyboy ;)

For the record, I've paid first and been treated extremely well. You have to go by the feel of it. If there's red flags (such as lots of cel phone calls as soon as you've picked her up and continuing jsut a bit too much) then of course don't do it. But I'll tell you, if you refuse to pay first, then if you met 2 of the girls I have, you'd be ruling out some great experiences. Judging by your prices, what you get and personal rules, I'd say you're a much harder (and better!) bargainer than I am. That's cool, takes all kinds.

Rob Doobing
08-07-09, 08:08
About a year ago, I wanted to experience this scene as well. What I did is that I passed by one evening, and was approached by a motor bike girl who in my eyes was by far cute enough to motivate me to give her a try. I had a short chat with her saying that I had no time right then, had to go home, but would be willing to see her off hours any day soon. We traded phone numbers and a couple of days later early afternoon met in a coffee shop, and on we were to my favourite hotel not too far from there. There ensued a good session, with all regular features and no worries whatsoever.

A good memory, I would do it again.

Nail The World
08-07-09, 10:02
My Karaoke report got buried in this dialog! As of now I have the feeling that this should have been my source number one for chicks, the karaokes of district 5, with the caveat that they can only see you after 11pm. Also, their English skills are 0 to 1, including those of mamasan's at some places. But in such a case it should be possible to find another girl who can help communicate. Get her to be part of your group.

This one who had slept for a night at my place has gone to see her folks and I would love to do without beer for few days anyway. She was excited about the idea of going to a nightclub. I will see how it goes but so far it is looking good. In the morning I had asked the motorbike guy to not take payment from her but he told me she insisted on paying, a welcome break from the clamor of "tip, tip, tip".

MutantChicken
08-07-09, 14:39
This is directed to nail, johndao, sudoz, or any other person who knows.

I have been in viet for awhile and im knowledgeble in a few areas, but one area i havent yet tried is the kareoke or bia om thing. My question is is it weird to go to bia om by yourself, and how much is a typical night at either a kareoke or bia om. Finally i know a few bio om on tran phu and hung vuong, but can u guys post a few address of reputable bia om or in nails case the karoke and the total price?

OzzieSuds
08-08-09, 02:00
This is directed to nail, johndao, sudoz, or any other person who knows.

I have been in viet for awhile and im knowledgeble in a few areas, but one area i havent yet tried is the kareoke or bia om thing. My question is is it weird to go to bia om by yourself, and how much is a typical night at either a kareoke or bia om. Finally i know a few bio om on tran phu and hung vuong, but can u guys post a few address of reputable bia om or in nails case the karoke and the total price?

I have only been to upmarket Karaoke with clients - usually Japanese so I can't help much. Did go once to a Bia Om in Phuong Tan Dinh area but again with business people so not very productive. Definitely a language barrier that could be overcome by actions.

These places tend to get raided if they become too prominent - unless they have deep pockets like Boss at Fortuna in Hanoi.

Macheath
08-08-09, 03:59
Not sure how I can answer. You asked if we know of anyone who got the disease, but then you rule out anecdotal evidence, which if we did think of anyone, that's what it would be. "Anecdotal" means isolated individual examples.W - don't have dictionary at hand but I interpret "anecdotal" as something heard second hand or further back, often not much different from rumour. An anecdote is a short story and often goes eg. my friends brother in law met someone who told him ....OR I haven't seen so and so for a long time, someone told me he might have contracted something. Anecdotal "evidence" can be helpful but wouldn't rely on it.

I can add more about HIV/Aids if anyone interested or just leave it at that. I know we live in the age of experts where you even need advice on how to feed yourself, but some of us can look around and make up our own minds.

Wendella
08-08-09, 09:15
W - don't have dictionary at hand but I interpret "anecdotal" as something heard second hand or further back, often not much different from rumour. An anecdote is a short story and often goes eg. my friends brother in law met someone who told him ....OR I haven't seen so and so for a long time, someone told me he might have contracted something. Anecdotal "evidence" can be helpful but wouldn't rely on it.

I can add more about HIV/Aids if anyone interested or just leave it at that. I know we live in the age of experts where you even need advice on how to feed yourself, but some of us can look around and make up our own minds.

I don't think 'anecdotal' means it's dubious hearsay. I think the word means something more like not comprehensive or not scientific -- just individual accounts/examples that might or might not represent the overall trend. Like what I just mentioned was my own experience, but then there's probably a lot more people who didn't have the same experience, so mine's just anecdotal. but if you think about it, almost everything posted in these forums is anecdotal. Anyway, not important.

I'm no expert at all on this, just another guy. This is a place for non-experts to share their non-expert advice. This (AIDS) is one aspect of the scene. It should be ok for us to discuss it, right? I mean, yes it's a downer, makes people uncomfortable... but that's what it is. Anyway, I said what I wanted to about it... don't have anything to add. People can PM me for links if they want to know more.

Nail The World
08-08-09, 09:41
My question is is it weird to go to bia om by yourself, How the fuck does it matter? It's weird for who? You aren't going to live your life out of that place, so go do what you want.


and how much is a typical night at either a karaoke or bia om. In my case I was clear about my goal. I was there to run a show and get a phone number, so I couldn't have hesitated about the bill. Also, there's no way in hell I am going back there again. It was just for once. If I did go there again they would push the same girls to me which would not serve my purpose. I let them open as much of anything they wanted (Tiger beer) and tipped generously. In both cases the bill was 1.4m. In one case I tipped 200K each to three people and in one case they added 400K tip for each of the two beauties. This is about Karaokes in dist 5.

One day I was just strolling around Le Than Ton and Thi Sach and saw an alley with lot of lights. I walked over and saw Karaoke after Karaoke from end to end. The very first one said "Japanese". I walked all the way down the street to have a look and back to go check out what the fuck do they mean by "Japanese". Again, I was by myself. The girl who I picked was an absolute knockout, the kind you would see in the house of a young CEO. Not all girls were like this mind you. Got her number, she ruled out going to hotel, so discussed going out during daytime a few days later. The night before at midnight she sends me message, "tomorrow can you buy me a new phone?". I deleted her number.


but can u guys post a few address of reputable bia omCan't help you with that but you seem to be on the right track.

Nail The World
08-08-09, 09:42
Few more words come to mind -

Drive through fucking.

Assembly line fornication.

She stopped, she fucked, she drove.

Nail The World
08-08-09, 10:20
Chicken, how would rate the girls at cafe oms in dist 6 and damsen from 1 to 10 in terms of their appearance and attitude?

What is damsen?

Macheath
08-08-09, 14:27
This (AIDS) is one aspect of the scene. It should be ok for us to discuss it, right?

Absolutely agree - especially good if you can discuss an issue with someone who's actually thought about it.

I don't have much to add but maybe just a bit more on anecdotal evidence on this issue. You brought up the Thailand board - there's a number of guys there who openly state/boast that they are only interested in sex without condom. One especial idiot, can't remember the name, supposedly and ludicrously goes around with health certificates which he produces to the girls to show that he's disease free and infertile - boasts that he's had over 100 P4P girls in Bangkok without condom, and he does all sorts. Another member, Opebo, who to me comes across as the smartest although maybe disreputable Thailand poster, shuns the use of condoms and also chooses from the bargain basement. Note also that these guys are into anal which seems to be the gold standard service in Thailand - why this should be so is maybe another issue to discuss.

Now if these anecdotal reports have any truth there's a lot of high risk behaviour over there and the virus should be rife and people dropping like flies. I can't read his mind but I'd say that Opebo for one, who self medicates to cure other STD's so obviously accepts that unprotected sex has risks, has concluded that he's not in danger of getting the virus from a girl. On the other hand there's many reports of guys having a moment of weakness and not using the condom, or the condom breaks etc. and they talk of the 3 months of worries and sleepless nights ahead while waiting for the test results. The idiot with the health certificates supposedly keeps getting re tested - would think that at some stage he'd wake up and think maybe not risky after all. This guy however is such an idiot that his reports are likely fantasies of a one handed typist.

I think an interesting study, obviously never going to happen of course, would be to use some of the truckloads of HIV/AIDS research money for funding bareback customers of sex workers, and the workers themselves, to pursue their hobby/occupation - keep records and test them all after 6 months or a year. After all would just be paying them to scientifically do what they're already doing. Might shed a bit of light on actual risks.

To change the subject to 2 other anecdotes going around:

1. The cops are stopping foreigners riding motorbikes and checking for licence and ownership papers - if you can't produce then bike gets impounded. I might be worried about this one.

2. Motor bike and bar girls are putting drugs on their nipples to knock out their customers before robbery. Interesting idea but don't think that nipple lickers should be too worried about this one - robberies here are generally pretty low tech.

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Gangles
08-08-09, 15:13
I do not have figures for VN, however in Australia, about 5% of those contracting HIV were by heterosexual sex. The vast majority are homosexual or intravenous drug users.

I am not a condom user, and when I get home from a trip, I always go to my doc to get a full blood test for any possible diseases. So far none

My doc was initially horrified that I do not use condom, but I painted the basic picture pf statistics.

We have about 20 million Australians, half are male, 10 million, about half are sexually active, 5 million.

In Australia, average rate of sex is once per month. hence 60 million fucks per year.

Infection rate for HIV/AIDS is about 1100 per year.

60,000,000 fucks leading to 1100 infections is about 1:60,000, that is, negligible risk.

However if we consider heterosex only, infection rate is about 50 per year, that is a risk factor of 1:1.2million. Almost infinitely small risk.

He really sat back. Said he had never thought of it like that, just took the propaganda that is dished up by the authorities to create fear.

So, as a single guy, he has now abandoned condoms, which he hates as much as me.

he is about 40.

Make up your own mind.

G

Wendella
08-08-09, 16:24
So, as a single guy, he has now abandoned condoms, which he hates as much as me.


Hm. Dunno. Authorities? Create fear? That could be taken to sound like AIDS isn't real, it's a conspiracy. That's not what you mean, I hope.

What I mentoined before, I'm actually not allowed to post the link here to that guy's report where he lets people in that other forum know that his test came back positive. I actually tried to PM the link to Macheath but he can't receive messages. Anyway, the statistics didn't help that guy much.

Not sure if you caught it but we were talking about some motorbike girls, ones who do a few customers per night. These girls might be doing over 1000 guys in a year. And they do drugs, and some of them probably do heroin.

Your stats are for general population, but we're not talking about any kind of average or common profile here. What are the statistics of drug-using prostitutes who have multiple partners per day? What % of those 10 million Aussie guys are going around banging heaps of different girls like these? I'm guessing very few.

I'd say out in the real world, with non-promiscuous girls, ok then even I'd probably go without condom sometimes. But with hookers? Like these? No way.

OzzieSuds
08-09-09, 00:50
The figures are interesting but so are the practicalities. Think for a moment about the way an average VN girl goes off - they are gushers and the juices go everywhere including places that the condom does not cover. So my thinking is that the condom does more to protect the girl than the guy in these circumstances.

That means that we should be encouraging the active girls to use condoms because that protects them from guys that have something and down the track provides a degree of protection to us.

Personally I seek to develop relationships with the non-active girls that abound and tend to do them raw. If I take out from somewhere I cover it.

But is not foolproof.

Milkweed
08-09-09, 03:04
11 o'clock she finished. Then she made several 20 second calls which I did not understand but which had the words "hotel, taxi, come". I would say yes then she would hang up. She came and delivered solid GFE. First time I can say this in Vietnam. And this from a 9. And she was not from the bars, or motorcycle or street.How much $ for the GFE?

Wendella
08-09-09, 07:07
This (AIDS) is one aspect of the scene. It should be ok for us to discuss it, right?

Absolutely agree - especially good if you can discuss an issue with someone who's actually thought about it.

Well, I have, honest. Hope you're not implying I haven't.

OK no, I wasn't talking about the Thailand area of THIS forum. I was talking about one based in Thailand called Thai three sixty (type the numerals). If you go to that one you can find the posts I mentoined. (its the current incarnation of some others that were huge there a few years back called Nana plaza and Nana pong -- same people, lots of long time expats). Anyway, if you go there, do an advanced search to find posts over a year ago from a member named Junglesoup, it's one titled Warning to Everyone...

So on this individual level, we now know of 2 guys who engage in unprotected sex and are fine so far, and one who isn't. I think if we look it up we're going to find statistics that there are plenty of people dying of AIDS in Thailand. I'm going to guess tens of thousands per year, and probably infection rates much higher than anywhere else in SEA. That's rife enough for me.

I don't remember this Opebo guy -- he's disreputable... over this... or?

If you want an example of how it can and does spread among heteros, just look at sub-Saharan (black) Africa. Enormous rates and spread mainly by hetero sex, especially cheap hookers. Annual death toll tops a million and infection rates in some countries over 20% (adults). I'd be curious to hear Opebo's explanation for this, since over there AIDS is being transmitted mainly by people doing exactly what Opebo is doing.

Your idea of a study: accepted medical view is that unprotected sex with people who have HIV risks contracting the disease, and therefore risks death. So I think the main reason that study wouldn't happen, at least not set up that way, is because it would be seen as diabolical to send people out into what are considered high-risk situations just to see what happens. But to know if it's risky or not, it probably can be learned by studying how the disease gets contracted -- can it be contracted from a vagina? -- and if so under what conditions (during a period, for example, or if there are open sores inside, or when exactly). Basically, if her blood has the virus, and that gets inside you somehow, that's when it gets dangerous, as I understand it.

Hyatt
08-09-09, 13:02
Hi there,

I've been a reader of this forum for a longtime but never really took the time to post a report or comment the ones online, so... here i come!

I'd like to share about the Ntmk/xvnt area, after i've read what ppl write about it, especially Nail The World, who looks like having a very bad opinion of this scene. Have to say first, I kinda agree with him.

The thing is that I'm living in that area, perhaps two minutes away from the bridge, in Binh Tanh. So this is my daily way to go downtown, and come back home. So, I know well the area.

Facts about the place:

- Yes, you can find some pretty chicks.

- The turn over is important. The scene is a mix of newbies and regulars - don't go with the regulars. They're usually un-friendly and dirty.

- Price to fuck is 500k. You can try to bargain, but most of them just leave you if you decrease your price. Which makes me think they've a lot of customers so they allow themselves to be so picky.

- You can get cheaper one, if she's a newbie. So go for it.

- Nobody speak english. Don't even try. The only word they all know: "money".

- I haven't seen a lot of westerns mongering there. Am i blind?

- Service isn't good. Don't expect to find a friendly chick ready to please you. It's all business. They want to do it quick.

- Some of them ask the money upfront, and leave you if you refuse. Of course, never pay upfront.

- I have no idea about AIDS prevalence in the area. What I know is that there's no problem to fuck them without condoms. Be careful, except if you like living dangerously.

- The park below is full of heroin junkies. Always check the arms and the teeths of a gal if you wanna fuck her.

- Most of gals want to take you in a hotel around. They hardly accept to follow you in your place. Even though i'm living two minutes away. But some are ok.

- They talk a lot to each other. If you mess up with one, all the gals of the area will avoid you. If you're fine with one, they will all be ok to go with you.

- This place is the police private gardenyard. They own everything, and have eyes everywhere. You see some in uniforms hidden in the park, on the brige, and lot of undercover fellas everywhere. Be aware that they know everything about you. The good thing is that it's very safe. The bad thing is that if you get trouble with their business, they will make your life impossible. So, be smart: never disturb the money flow. Nobody wants trouble with the cops here.

- Be extremly careful : those girls are professional robbers. Hide everything, and never leave your eyes from them once she's with you.

- Make sure no young fella on a motorbike is following you at distance if you take a girl back home. I've noticed some doing this to me already. The good thing is that I'm riding a a big sport motorbike, so they can't really compete :-). Some of those fellas can get into your house when you fuck the girl and rob you something. Watch out.

My experience so far: I took three girls home from there.

- One ugly chick, probably junkie and dirty. I was drunk, it was dark. I realized how bad she was back home. Gave 400k for a very bad service.

- One very cute young chick. I gave her 300k. She was shy, but very nice. And she really wanted to please me. Good service.

- One nice girl with awesome tits (big, round, crazy!). I took her for 500k. Bad service, was always asking for "boom boom" and didn't want to suck my cock. Had to insist a lot to have what I was ready to pay for.

I have to say 2 or 3 times I had 100% failure rate there. No chick wanted to follow me home, or they left me because I refused to pay upfront.Once a 9 (very beautiful!) followed me home, but just left because I refused to pay upfront. I was pissed. Then I went back to the scene, but she told all the chicks around I wasn't a good payer. Fucking *****.

My opinion about the Ntmk/xvnt scene: avoid it if possible. If you're really hungry, if you have time and if you don't get mad if one of them refuses you, then you can find a gal and have quick fun. But remember: service is bad.

Hope this helps ppl who have never been there.

Today, I've been to Linda, 29 dong khoi, D1. Nice bar, very cheap drinks, a lot of very pretty chicks. They sit with you and let you touch them everywhere (everywhere). If the mamasan is here (Linda) 300k for blowjob and 500k to fuck. But she wasn't, so the girls asked for 500k for blowjob. I said no. But it was lot of fun. Place I recommand.

Btw, anyone knows a place where to pick up gals to take them home, for no more than 500k? I'm still looking for a nice scene in town, but don't find any. Like a place where students girl go with you to make a bit of money... Any help appreciated.

Cheers, and sorry for approximate english.

MutantChicken
08-09-09, 14:39
From my experience with these girls, are they are friendly, but its all a quicky scenario, ie they go in the room to blow you and try to do it as fast as possible, so some of the good experienced ones can achieve that in 5-10 mins. In appearance wise I would give them from 4-7/10, and attitude 7/10. Basically its a very cheap way of cumming and witha 18-25 yr old girl. It definately isn't the same as a gfe. As to the kareoke thing, it seems quite expensve, ie 1.4 mill + the fee to the girl later which I'm guessing is another mill. I have a local viet business man I know who has given me numbers of freelance girls that are going for 1 mill, I haven't taken up the offer, as I have been trying my own ways. It seems that I have a few hot toc girls willing to see me after work and I'm guessing I would give them higher rates than moto girls but not much more, I'm guesssing 500-700k overnight. Or 300 for an hour.

Nail The World
08-10-09, 04:53
From my experience with these girls, are they are friendly, but its all a quicky scenario, ie they go in the room to blow you and try to do it as fast as possible, so some of the good experienced ones can achieve that in 5-10 mins. In appearance wise I would give them from 4-7/10, and attitude 7/10. Basically its a very cheap way of cumming and witha 18-25 yr old girl. It definately isn't the same as a gfe. As to the kareoke thing, it seems quite expensve, ie 1.4 mill + the fee to the girl later which I'm guessing is another mill. I have a local viet business man I know who has given me numbers of freelance girls that are going for 1 mill, I haven't taken up the offer, as I have been trying my own ways. It seems that I have a few hot toc girls willing to see me after work and I'm guessing I would give them higher rates than moto girls but not much more, I'm guesssing 500-700k overnight. Or 300 for an hour.Thanks for your description. About the karaoke, the price I quoted is pretty much the max you can expect to pay if you let yourself go unabashedly - two chicks, unlimited beer. There's another gentleman (monger) here who was able to party for 250K. Even with my scenario if you go with one chick the price cuts into half. If you spend only one hour rather than two hours the price drops more. If you take control of what's being consumed it gets even better. All of a sudden it becomes reasonable.

I did spend a mil but she didn't even count when she had it in her hand. She may be thinking bf/gf, I don't know. My plan was always to drop the price to the range you have mentioned for subsequent encounters.

Wendella
08-10-09, 06:40
- I have no idea about AIDS prevalence in the area. What I know is that there's no problem to fuck them without condoms. Be careful, except if you like living dangerously.

- The park below is full of heroin junkies. Always check the arms and the teeths of a gal if you wanna fuck her.


The foreigners that I saw there were black Africans. I've seen them there twice, and don't go there too often, so... if the girls go without condoms, this is a real bad combination.

I was looking over at the Bangkok Reports thread here and a guy just reported there about a girl he knew from Thermae who died of AIDS, then went on to mention that he knew of 20 girls who had since he's living in Thailand (17 yrs there, he said) and also farangs.

Just be careful.

OzzieSuds
08-10-09, 09:08
The foreigners that I saw there were black Africans. I've seen them there twice, and don't go there too often, so... if the girls go without condoms, this is a real bad combination.

I was looking over at the Bangkok Reports thread here and a guy just reported there about a girl he knew from Thermae who died of AIDS, then went on to mention that he knew of 20 girls who had since he's living in Thailand (17 yrs there, he said) and also farangs.

Just be careful.

That is one reason why I am not very interested in the BKK commercial scene and have a similar attitude to the development of a similar scene in HCMC.

As far as I am concerned there are many local gals in SGN who want to improve their english and this provides an opening to relatively non-commercial and safer opportunities that just don't seem to exist in BKK.

Hyatt
08-10-09, 18:23
Btw, anyone knows a place where to pick up gals to take them home, for no more than 500k? I'm still looking for a nice scene in town, but don't find any. Like a place where students girl go with you to make a bit of money.

Any help appreciated.

Crazyazn
08-10-09, 19:18
Hi there,

I've been a reader of this forum for a longtime but never really took the time to post a report or comment the ones online, so... here i come!

I'd like to share about the Ntmk/xvnt area, after i've read what ppl write about it, especially Nail The World, who looks like having a very bad opinion of this scene. Have to say first, I kinda agree with him.

The thing is that I'm living in that area, perhaps two minutes away from the bridge, in Binh Tanh. So this is my daily way to go downtown, and come back home. So, I know well the area.

Facts about the place:

- Yes, you can find some pretty chicks.

- The turn over is important. The scene is a mix of newbies and regulars - don't go with the regulars. They're usually un-friendly and dirty.

- Price to fuck is 500k. You can try to bargain, but most of them just leave you if you decrease your price. Which makes me think they've a lot of customers so they allow themselves to be so picky.

- You can get cheaper one, if she's a newbie. So go for it.

- Nobody speak english. Don't even try. The only word they all know: "money".

- I haven't seen a lot of westerns mongering there. Am i blind?

- Service isn't good. Don't expect to find a friendly chick ready to please you. It's all business. They want to do it quick.

- Some of them ask the money upfront, and leave you if you refuse. Of course, never pay upfront.

- I have no idea about AIDS prevalence in the area. What I know is that there's no problem to fuck them without condoms. Be careful, except if you like living dangerously.

- The park below is full of heroin junkies. Always check the arms and the teeths of a gal if you wanna fuck her.

- Most of gals want to take you in a hotel around. They hardly accept to follow you in your place. Even though i'm living two minutes away. But some are ok.

- They talk a lot to each other. If you mess up with one, all the gals of the area will avoid you. If you're fine with one, they will all be ok to go with you.

- This place is the police private gardenyard. They own everything, and have eyes everywhere. You see some in uniforms hidden in the park, on the brige, and lot of undercover fellas everywhere. Be aware that they know everything about you. The good thing is that it's very safe. The bad thing is that if you get trouble with their business, they will make your life impossible. So, be smart: never disturb the money flow. Nobody wants trouble with the cops here.

- Be extremly careful : those girls are professional robbers. Hide everything, and never leave your eyes from them once she's with you.

- Make sure no young fella on a motorbike is following you at distance if you take a girl back home. I've noticed some doing this to me already. The good thing is that I'm riding a a big sport motorbike, so they can't really compete :-). Some of those fellas can get into your house when you fuck the girl and rob you something. Watch out.

My experience so far: I took three girls home from there.

- One ugly chick, probably junkie and dirty. I was drunk, it was dark. I realized how bad she was back home. Gave 400k for a very bad service.

- One very cute young chick. I gave her 300k. She was shy, but very nice. And she really wanted to please me. Good service.

- One nice girl with awesome tits (big, round, crazy!). I took her for 500k. Bad service, was always asking for "boom boom" and didn't want to suck my cock. Had to insist a lot to have what I was ready to pay for.

I have to say 2 or 3 times I had 100% failure rate there. No chick wanted to follow me home, or they left me because I refused to pay upfront.Once a 9 (very beautiful!) followed me home, but just left because I refused to pay upfront. I was pissed. Then I went back to the scene, but she told all the chicks around I wasn't a good payer. Fucking *****.

My opinion about the Ntmk/xvnt scene: avoid it if possible. If you're really hungry, if you have time and if you don't get mad if one of them refuses you, then you can find a gal and have quick fun. But remember: service is bad.

Hope this helps ppl who have never been there.

Today, I've been to Linda, 29 dong khoi, D1. Nice bar, very cheap drinks, a lot of very pretty chicks. They sit with you and let you touch them everywhere (everywhere). If the mamasan is here (Linda) 300k for blowjob and 500k to fuck. But she wasn't, so the girls asked for 500k for blowjob. I said no. But it was lot of fun. Place I recommand.

Btw, anyone knows a place where to pick up gals to take them home, for no more than 500k? I'm still looking for a nice scene in town, but don't find any. Like a place where students girl go with you to make a bit of money... Any help appreciated.

Cheers, and sorry for approximate english.Great post, very informative!! I will have to try linda's out. Hopefully I can get some GFE!! '' I speak viet''

OzzieSuds
08-11-09, 00:08
Today, I've been to Linda, 29 dong khoi, D1. Nice bar, very cheap drinks, a lot of very pretty chicks. They sit with you and let you touch them everywhere (everywhere). If the mamasan is here (Linda) 300k for blowjob and 500k to fuck. But she wasn't, so the girls asked for 500k for blowjob. I said no. But it was lot of fun. Place I recommand.Don't know about Linda's but this is also known as Bar 29 and it is the reincarnation of the old U2 bar. The cattle is a blend of the dirty old bitches with lots of new blood. Upstairs is where the action is.

Milkweed
08-11-09, 07:33
I've been going to a BJ hot toc in D1 for some time now, but had a couple firsts lately. I am a bit slow to finish. And this place is amazing in their determination to get you done.

Last week I went and had a very good BJ but still hadn't finished. So the woman jumps up on the table and does simulated sex. Rubs her bare crotch over my balls while giving me a HJ. Got the job done.

Then this week I went and picked a woman I had had before. She is good. Pretty, big sensual lips, and a nice attitude. First time I was with her she amazed me. She will give a BJ like a machine. I sometimes fantasize that she is a futuristic sex android. Like if the energizer bunny gave bjs. This time she surprised me by putting her finger in my bum. Then, I requested that she come up on the table. She crouched over me and did the 69 and I finished.

The girls here have also got up on the table with me to cuddle a little after when I request it.

The house fee here is 100, 000 for foreigners. The girls are ok with a 100, 000 tip. I tip an extra 20, 000 for good service.

Wendella
08-11-09, 10:26
Don't know about Linda's but this is also known as Bar 29 and it is the reincarnation of the old U2 bar. The cattle is a blend of the dirty old bitches with lots of new blood. Upstairs is where the action is.

For some reason I think I've only been there when the former are in attendance.

Macheath
08-11-09, 13:45
The cattle is a blend of the dirty old bitches with lots of new blood.Also fellow human beings doing what they need to survive - probably someone's mother, daughter, sister etc.

Macheath
08-11-09, 14:04
Well, I have, honest. Hope you're not implying I haven't.
Sorry. My meaning was that you obviously had thought about the issue. I don't expect everyone to share my opinions.

I'm happy to leave it at that and agree to disagree except hard not to have the last word in this sort of conversation. 2 points:

- There's a large percentage of foreigners, don't know about local customs, having unprotected sex in Asia. Maybe not a majority, who knows, but large;

- I'd be wary of believing anything coming out of Africa. People die of everything there, and you can die of about 20 different things and they'll call it AIDS. Not to be too obvious but rumours/untruths out of Africa are a major reason that the Bush administration got involved in Iraq, apparently believing that Saddam was sourcing nuclear material from Nigeria.

OzzieSuds
08-12-09, 01:29
For some reason I think I've only been there when the former are in attendance.

I have found some real gems in there - I ask mama for the newest ones. Many do not last past week one.

An Macheath is right about daughters etc but in the end we are the customers and able to make a choice

Johndao
08-12-09, 02:11
i've been going to a bj hot toc in d1 for some time now, but had a couple firsts lately. i am a bit slow to finish. and this place is amazing in their determination to get you done.

last week i went and had a very good bj but still hadn't finished. so the woman jumps up on the table and does simulated sex. rubs her bare crotch over my balls while giving me a hj. got the job done.

then this week i went and picked a woman i had had before. she is good. pretty, big sensual lips, and a nice attitude. first time i was with her she amazed me. she will give a bj like a machine. i sometimes fantasize that she is a futuristic sex android. like if the energizer bunny gave bjs. this time she surprised me by putting her finger in my bum. then, i requested that she come up on the table. she crouched over me and did the 69 and i finished.

the girls here have also got up on the table with me to cuddle a little after when i request it.

the house fee here is 100, 000 for foreigners. the girls are ok with a 100, 000 tip. i tip an extra 20, 000 for good service.
i think i know the place and the woman you described weed. i don't particularly care for her style, but admittedly it is very efficient. watching her i thought she was a movie running at a fast speed. if it's the place i think, all the girls there are chosen for skills and ability to 'get the job done' as you say. there is no negotiating price, all is standard. nobody gets you going and then talks money, they just do their job effectively and efficiently and if they don't, they are gone. the woman you mention, is she about early mid 30's with a slim frame and balloon-like artificial tits? her daughter sometimes running around the place? sucks and does hj like a manic crazy, yes, the energizer bunny, that's her. i just don't really like her, that's me, not my taste but i see why others would. yes, great place and several more like it. that's why i have to laugh at the idea of the 300k tip hj or the upstairs hbt bar for 500k bj.
jd

Johndao
08-12-09, 02:26
I do not have figures for VN, however in Australia, about 5% of those contracting HIV were by heterosexual sex. The vast majority are homosexual or intravenous drug users.

I am not a condom user, and when I get home from a trip, I always go to my doc to get a full blood test for any possible diseases. So far none

My doc was initially horrified that I do not use condom, but I painted the basic picture pf statistics.

We have about 20 million Australians, half are male, 10 million, about half are sexually active, 5 million.

In Australia, average rate of sex is once per month. hence 60 million fucks per year.

Infection rate for HIV/AIDS is about 1100 per year.

60,000,000 fucks leading to 1100 infections is about 1:60,000, that is, negligible risk.

However if we consider heterosex only, infection rate is about 50 per year, that is a risk factor of 1:1.2million. Almost infinitely small risk.

He really sat back. Said he had never thought of it like that, just took the propaganda that is dished up by the authorities to create fear.

So, as a single guy, he has now abandoned condoms, which he hates as much as me. He is about 40.

Make up your own mind.
G
Gangles, this is really a very funny and dangerous misuse of statistics. Your conclusions about condom use are totally false. You can't take the overall infection rate and assume it is the same for all persons regardless of risk factors. The fact is, higher risk factors, greater chance of disease. A disease-free monogamous heterosexual couple has almost no risk of infection. But a man visiting multiple prostitutes and having sex without protection has an entirely different risk factor. To lump them both together with a national rate. . . just doesn't work.

To use an analogy, let's say you are talking about auto accidents. I'll just use a made-up number as an example. Let's say that 1 out of 80,000 auto trips results in an accident. You feel it's a negligible number, you should be safe. You also like to drive while drinking and texting. But you assume as the road accident rate is so negligible at 1 out of 80,000, that drinking and texting should be fine. Actually, the accident rate for those who drink and text is much higher than 1 out of 80,000 and much lower than for those who do not.

To use the overall infection rate as the same as the risk factor rate for non-monogamous sex without condoms, well, it should be obvious it's not the same. But if you really don't want to use condoms with multiple hoes, then maybe you have convinced yourself it should be ok. It's not. Also, getting a blood test after the fact does not protect you from any disease, but it does help in getting early treatment or not infecting others.

Nail The World
08-12-09, 03:40
I've been going to a BJ hot toc in D1 for some time now, but had a couple firsts lately. I am a bit slow to finish. And this place is amazing in their determination to get you done.

The house fee here is 100, 000 for foreigners. The girls are ok with a 100, 000 tip. I tip an extra 20, 000 for good service.Where's this gem?

Wendella
08-12-09, 05:03
Where's this gem?

I know! It's like, hey I found the best place -- it's cheap, it's awesome. Gotta go, bye.

Thanks for sharing, fella. ;)

Wendella
08-12-09, 05:24
Sorry. My meaning was that you obviously had thought about the issue. I don't expect everyone to share my opinions.

I'm happy to leave it at that and agree to disagree except hard not to have the last word in this sort of conversation. 2 points:

- There's a large percentage of foreigners, don't know about local customs, having unprotected sex in Asia. Maybe not a majority, who knows, but large;

- I'd be wary of believing anything coming out of Africa. People die of everything there, and you can die of about 20 different things and they'll call it AIDS. Not to be too obvious but rumours/untruths out of Africa are a major reason that the Bush administration got involved in Iraq, apparently believing that Saddam was sourcing nuclear material from Nigeria.

OK I agree to agree to agree to disagree and leave it at that, and therefore feel compelled to respond to your "final" points with my own, which seem likely to become part of a long series of final points. ;)

Yes there are lots of people, foreigners and locals alike, engaging in unprotected sex. With hookers? I'd be surprised if it was most. I'd be surprised if it was more than 10%. Statistics say that millions die per year of it worldwide. I dont' see any reason to doubt these numbers. I can't understand why anyone would presume that foreigners are immune because they come from other countries. Are you suggesting HIV requires a racial match in order to be transmitted? I'm just trying to figure out the rationale here.

Your 2nd point seems to imply that you don't believe people are dying of AIDS in Africa. If I got that straight, I think I don't even need to take it further, can let people judge for themselves where you're coming from with this. At some point you have to move beyond living in a world constructed only of doubts and actually check to see what evidence exists. In this case, you'd find overwhelming evidence from all kinds of legitimate sources that AIDS is an enormous problem in Africa.

Can we at least agree that HIV passes from one person to another, and it does so by one person's infected blood getting inside the body of another person?

MutantChicken
08-12-09, 06:24
It is quite normal to find 200k places such as 90 dbp or 300 something dbp, there is also some more around that area, i have heard about, but those places are on the edge of dist 3, dist 1 and tan binh. I have never come across any that is in dist 1 proper. It would be nice if Johndao or Milkweed at least list the street name.

Thanks in advance

MutantChicken
08-12-09, 06:35
Your comments regarding the 200k bj hot toc, those wouldnt be the ones found near and around cho da kao in Dist 1?

Milkweed
08-12-09, 07:09
I know! It's like, hey I found the best place -- it's cheap, it's awesome. Gotta go, bye.

Thanks for sharing, fella. ;)Oh, I thought we didn't give out specifics like addresses and names...? PM me.

I really just posted this to show what is possible. My first Hot Toc experience in Saigon was really terrible. I got overcharged and underserved big time. I found the gem with the help of this forum and a little trial and error.

Milkweed
08-12-09, 07:16
I don't remember seeing any mention of it here, but there are a few SWs on Cong Hoa. Some are on motorbikes and a few standing on the sidewalk.coming from the airport to downtown look for them between the Yummy Yummy Restaurant and the Bookstore. I only see them on the right hand side. If you get to Saigon Shoes, you've gone too far.

Nail The World
08-12-09, 14:38
Well, whaddya know, upon mention of a new kind of opportunity by Mutantchicken I gave it a shot. All I have to say is one word - interesting.

There are a couple of "Cafe & Music" shops right across from Damsen park. Turns out they are really cafe and music shops. I went inside one of them, had a cafe sua da and hesitatingly asked the girl who had taken a seat next to me for a massage. She politely said no, but we have Karaoke. That's not what I was there for so I politely got the hell out of there.

Then I walked away from the gate towards another cafe shop which had its outside made of bamboo sticks with some greenery spread amongst. From the open entrance you can see there's another entrance inside beyond which everything is dark. This had to be the one and it certainly was.

As I walked in my eyes landed on one of the most gorgeous figures I have ever seen on planet Earth. She was wearing minimal dress and displaying the artwork that God engages in creating only once in a while. She had a 7 face and a 10+ figure. It was her turn apparently so she came over and asked me to take a seat on one of the chairs arranged in at least 5 rows. The room was 30% lit. I took the corner most chair because I was the only customer at that time. And because I didn't know better I asked for a cafe sua da. Later I were to find out that customers walk in, get into action straightaway, and walk out. She got the unusual request fulfilled, took a seat next to me, disinterestedly slapped at my dick and looked the other way.

The way it works is that they sit in your lap, you can fondle and caress and hug, and they jerk you off in your trousers. This is what I mean by "interesting". Titty caressing is allowed but all my attempts to get the tit in my mouth were pushed back. Opening the zip is not allowed either. Now I am not sure how they clean you up after the deed or whether they clean you up at all because I couldn't get off. She had a body made in heaven but her attitude was lacking. Considering how much traffic they have and how much they get paid for their effort it is understandable. Payment in Vietnam however hasn't had a decent correlation with service anyway but I digress.

After some effort which she thought was decent enough by her estimates she gave up. I engaged another chick for continued operation. She sat in the lap and barely tried. The outcome was negative. She had slightly better attitude and not as smoking hot body. She was 25 and the previous one was 21.

50K for each of the chicks, 20K each for two cafe sua das. I saw a total of 4 girls in there, 3 were under 25 & decent enough and one may have been 35. There were 25-30 chairs which allow for multiple customers to be serviced in that room. At one point of time there were three shaggings going on.

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Macheath
08-12-09, 18:15
a long series of final points.You're right this could go on forever and too difficult to discuss by this method with misunderstandings etc.

So not to continue the argument and instead just state what I THINK is a sensible course of action - I THINK that it's always advisable, sensible, considerate etc to use condoms if you're having sex outside of a monogomous sexual relationship - because of the risk of unwanted pregnancy and STDs.

I ALSO THINK that sex with condom is usually not so bad and sometimes better than as nature intended.

I ALSO THINK that HIV/Aids has been hijacked by various interest groups who would have us believe that it's the world's biggest health issue and we're all at risk. Witness the new poster girl for HIV/Aids who is appearing all around town. If this girl is representative of any risk group then I'll go heave.

Sex Invn
08-12-09, 23:41
Hey Guys,

What are some good website to pick up girls in VN to send you naked pics or hook up with them for some freebies?

MutantChicken
08-13-09, 02:06
Nail,

That was what I was referring to, and thats the right price, 20k for cofee and 50k for the girl for her to be groped and om etc. I don't think its good value, but you can ask the girl to meet after work etc. I rather go to my 70k BJ places. I have also gone to the shop you referred to but I had a much more intimate encounter. Prob because I'm viet Kieu and early 30's.

Wendella
08-13-09, 05:22
OK... sure we can stop. I was just a bit worried some people had the idea there isn't much risk to go with those motorbike girls. I'd say those are probably the highest risk girls in this country.

I'm not aware of groups who try to scare people about AIDS for deceptive reasons. Better to err on the side of safety, I don't see how people are harmed by using condoms to bonk hooers, or how anyone could gain by deceiving people into believing that (if thats' what they were doing, which I don't think they are). In Africa, if anything the leaders there were trying to suppress information about it and endorse myths about it. Mbeki saying there was no link between HIV and AIDS for example.

I'm not sure what woman on a poster you're referring to, will look for it. I mostly see the one with the dancing condom-man with his big smile. What's the message there, I wonder. ;)

Anyway... wow some interesting posts today.

Crazyazn
08-13-09, 06:53
Well, whaddya know, upon mention of a new kind of opportunity by Mutantchicken I gave it a shot. All I have to say is one word - interesting.

There are a couple of "Cafe & Music" shops right across from Damsen park. Turns out they are really cafe and music shops. I went inside one of them, had a cafe sua da and hesitatingly asked the girl who had taken a seat next to me for a massage. She politely said no, but we have Karaoke. That's not what I was there for so I politely got the hell out of there.

Then I walked away from the gate towards another cafe shop which had its outside made of bamboo sticks with some greenery spread amongst. From the open entrance you can see there's another entrance inside beyond which everything is dark. This had to be the one and it certainly was.

As I walked in my eyes landed on one of the most gorgeous figures I have ever seen on planet Earth. She was wearing minimal dress and displaying the artwork that God engages in creating only once in a while. She had a 7 face and a 10+ figure. It was her turn apparently so she came over and asked me to take a seat on one of the chairs arranged in at least 5 rows. The room was 30% lit. I took the corner most chair because I was the only customer at that time. And because I didn't know better I asked for a cafe sua da. Later I were to find out that customers walk in, get into action straightaway, and walk out. She got the unusual request fulfilled, took a seat next to me, disinterestedly slapped at my dick and looked the other way.

The way it works is that they sit in your lap, you can fondle and caress and hug, and they jerk you off in your trousers. This is what I mean by "interesting". Titty caressing is allowed but all my attempts to get the tit in my mouth were pushed back. Opening the zip is not allowed either. Now I am not sure how they clean you up after the deed or whether they clean you up at all because I couldn't get off. She had a body made in heaven but her attitude was lacking. Considering how much traffic they have and how much they get paid for their effort it is understandable. Payment in Vietnam however hasn't had a decent correlation with service anyway but I digress.

After some effort which she thought was decent enough by her estimates she gave up. I engaged another chick for continued operation. She sat in the lap and barely tried. The outcome was negative. She had slightly better attitude and not as smoking hot body. She was 25 and the previous one was 21.

50K for each of the chicks, 20K each for two cafe sua das. I saw a total of 4 girls in there, 3 were under 25 & decent enough and one may have been 35. There were 25-30 chairs which allow for multiple customers to be serviced in that room. At one point of time there were three shaggings going on.Can you please specify which street you are referring too? Damsen park is a very big area... Thank you!

Nail The World
08-13-09, 11:17
Can you please specify which street you are referring too? Damsen park is a very big area... Thank you!You gotta learn first how to post on a forum. Don't quote the entire prose when asking a one line question. Trim it.

Crazyazn
08-13-09, 23:44
You gotta learn first how to post on a forum. Don't quote the entire prose when asking a one line question. Trim it.The whole post was about that one location/street! That's why I had to qoute the whole op. No where does he state what street he is referring too. Damsen park is very big with many streets.

MutantChicken
08-14-09, 01:55
Nail found these places just from my mention of damsen, he didnt need street names or anything, which is commendable. Guys, yes damsen is a big place, but start around the main street of the gate major gate entrance and just walk around, and explore, thats what i did. Dont expect everything to be spoonfed, a generalised location is sufficient.

Wendella
08-14-09, 07:45
The whole post was about that one location/street! That's why I had to qoute the whole op.

Um, not really. It is a bit better form to just quote the minimum of what's necessary, not an entire long post. That's what he meant. No big deal. This stuff is really small potatoes. Let's not get riled about it ok?

Also, if you just get in a taxi or on a xe om (or even drive a bike there) and go to Damsen Park, these places are hard to miss.

AdHome01
08-15-09, 18:05
I'll be in the city (HCM) for a few weeks starting 8/22. If anyone wants to meet up for a beer pm me.

Member #4167
08-17-09, 03:18
I have been reading the forums and trying to get the scoop. The prices seem to be all over the board. Some guys pay 600K VND and others 150-200

I have a few questions

1. For a semi-pro/pro SW clean 18-24 yo is 150-200 VND the right price for ST (1-1.5 hrs)?

2. How much is LT (24 hours)

3. Is taking girls back to your hotel a no no?

4. What does it cost/how much would you pay to have a live-in girlfriend for the week ?

5. What is the crime/safety situation ?

6. Are the shop girls fairly easy? How many dates does it take to get one to go to bed with you?

Thank you in advance!

Mik Hcmc
08-17-09, 10:06
I went for a bit of a ride last night.

Went down Hong Ha to see if there was any new "meat".

Around 1930h found a couple girls.

1st girl I stopped and talked to was sitting on a white moto. Like a 70cc honda cub with plastic farings type. She spoke reasonable english. She would have been pushing mid/late 35's.

Wanted 5000vnd? ! ? ! For 1hr and she pays hotel. I said 5000vnd. To make sure I pulled out a 5k note. She said no. Turned out she wanted 500k. I countered with 200k (which is the going rate this area) I pay hotel (50k) she said no. Went upto 300k to see if she would bite but nothing. Told her she's dreaming and goodluck getting a customer.

I rode further down and stopped to talk to another girl. She was around mid 20's, thin and nice body and a beautiful natural face. Much nicer than the previous girl.

I punched in 200k into my phone and pointed at my watch for 2hrs. She agreed until that previous motogirl come past and started yap yapping to her. The new girl then reluctantly squatted back down and motioned for 400k. I motioned to her 300k, 2hrs and 2 pops and photos. Then the other motogirl who was starting to really [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off told me no, 1hr, 1 shot. The white motogirl started trying to lure me back by giving me offers but compared to the new girl even a blind man would have told her to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off.

By now I was fed up with this old *****'s constant interference and told them both goodnight.

There is this one regular girl I see. Skinny as a rake with a white face that looks like she's been hit with the ugly stick more than a few times or she's on something. She's on the corner where the big airplane sits. I've always slowed down to have a closer look but when I see her face its like WHOA, she must be a junkie or something and I take off. Perhaps someone will have to investigate and possibly "take one for the team"

After that I rode down to a new massage parlour I had spotted previously. Thanh Xuan Hotel Massage in Tan Binh. Got a great massage by a cute 22yr old "spinner" She got sore stomach due to her laughing at my "vietlish" Great attitude and service.

I'll have to go back and get her phone number.

As I left and rejoined traffic on Cong Ha I noticed a few more SW's on the side of the road. Tempted to stop but theres always next time.

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MutantChicken
08-17-09, 11:52
The quick answer to you questions are also questions ie do you speak vietnamese and do you know the city?

Vietnam if you have read the reports is all hidden away, so if you go into dist 1 with all there foreigner bars. You are gonna pay 1.2 mill plus overnight or if you are a bad bargainer or a bit desperate 1mill ST.

As to normal girls. Its not Thailand where you can pick them up just my smiling and flashing a few bucks. You would need a local contact or speak the language, and id doubt if you can find a willing short term gf if you are just a tourist.

Viet girls are more money focused and more cunning that thai girls. So from your questions I would just go to Thailand or Cambodia for the things you are looking for.

MutantChicken
08-18-09, 01:33
Yes I hae seen a few SW on the side of the road on this street and around that area, I drove quickly but there are definately a few young girls. Thats not bad bargain 200k for 2 hrs. I'll prob try to get that rate, in the pas I was paying 300 for between 1-2 hrs.

Mik Hcmc
08-18-09, 10:17
Yes I hae seen a few SW on the side of the road on this street and around that area, I drove quickly but there are definately a few young girls. Thats not bad bargain 200k for 2 hrs. I'll prob try to get that rate, in the pas I was paying 300 for between 1-2 hrs.Some of the "young girls" are not young at all when you stop to see them hahaha.

Hyatt
08-18-09, 20:07
Hi guys, just to inform you that I found a new great spot for street picking : 3 thang 2 (its the name of the street). It's 5 minutes away from D1, following Vo Thi Sau, parallel to Dien Bien Phu.

I drove by the street yesterday around 11pm, and saw plenty of young chicks. Some looking very good. Some very bad. Some on bikes. Some on foot. Young fellas on bike watching at the operations, and mamasans every 300 hundred meters.

It was really plenty of chicks. I insist. Average age 23-28.

I wanted to take one at home for 2 hours. First one refused, second one ok but mamasan refused, third one reluctant but mamasan refused... Then I met two of them, both of them wanted to come. Got her home for 300k, average service, but stayed to sleep at home. She looked fresh and not dirty *****. On the morning she woke me up with a BJ and a much better service. Tipped her 100k, got her phone and she said i just had to call then she'll be back.

The place is much better than NTMK. More choice, less people in the street, cheaper, and nice girls. My new hunting spot.

I asked already, but got no answer: if anyone knows a place where students look for customers (street if possible), let me know!

Johndao
08-19-09, 04:39
Went down Hong Ha to see if there was any new "meat".

As I left and rejoined traffic on Cong Ha I noticed a few more SW's on the side of the road.

"Hong Ha" "Cong Ha" There are no streets by these names. What street are we actually talking about here?

Whisper1
08-19-09, 05:54
"Hong Ha" "Cong Ha" There are no streets by these names. What street are we actually talking about here?

Hong Ha is the street at the of Truong Son (the street on the way to the airport),

"Cong Ha" is misspelled. It's Cong Hoa, which is also by the airport

Wendella
08-19-09, 06:37
Hi guys, just to inform you that I found a new great spot for street picking : 3 thang 2 (its the name of the street). It's 5 minutes away from D1, following Vo Thi Sau, parallel to Dien Bien Phu.

Dunno any places where students go. Maybe the cafes? MTV on Vo Van Tan probably a good bet, or the Windows cafes. Not my scene, so can't really give much on this one. Real university students would never be working on the streets here, if anywhere. That's the lowest of low socially. People in university are striving to raise their social status, not lower it. Imagine going back to University and facing fellow students after being spotted.

3/2 street is a REALLY long street, running from D3 all the way out to D6, guessing it passes thru about 4 diff districts. Can you specify a cross street where you saw this? (if you just look at a map, might be able to figure it out) I have to say I've gone on that street often and never spotted anything like this. But things do change sometimes. You obviously saw something.

Mik Hcmc
08-19-09, 08:43
"Hong Ha" "Cong Ha" There are no streets by these names. What street are we actually talking about here?First up my apologies to all. The correct spelling is Cong Hoa.

Where the big Maximart is located, corner Nguyen Thai Binh and Cong Hoa.

http://www.diadiem.com/

I use this to find streets in Saigon.

Hong Ha does exist. I suggest you use the above link to find the street. I find it much easier than google maps. You start typing in the street and you will see suggestions appear. The site uses the same images from googlemaps.

To get to Hong Ha, simply head to the Airport via Truong Son. At the very end you can either go straight to the airport or turn right. Parkson Department Store is on the RHS, Turn right down that street. You are now on Hong Ha. (Hong Ha is not a straight street/road. Its more of a loop.) You will pass a lineup of taxi's, hot tocs, cafes etc etc.

Continue to the end and you will hit a T junction. Turn right and head down about 30meters you will see 2,3 ladies standing in the dark on the left (the VN Airlines Flight School side), continue and turn 90deg left and you will see the skinny girl with a pale white face. This seems to be her "spot"

About 20meters up you will see a resturant opposite a swimming pool and tennis courts, these will be on your left side, There is a small road to villa's on your left (tennis court side) and will be some girls on bikes waiting here (the girl on white bike was here) Keep going and the road bends right a little, Take care of the roadworks and after that small kink/bend there will be more girls standing on both sides. Once you hit the wood works you are at the end of the street and Hoang Minh Giam traffic light intersection. If you turn Right and follow the corners you will end up halfway down Truong Son, perhaps 1km distance.

The majority of ladies here are between the tennis courts and before the woodwork area. This whole area is poorly lit, so those who don't like dark streets may avoid this one. I do feel safe but always remain alert.

Hope this clears it up for you.

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Hyatt
08-19-09, 19:24
Wendella,

Sure. Go at the crossroad CMT8/ Vo Thi Sau - 3 thong 2 (its where VTS becomes 3 thang 2). Take 3 thang 2 (on the left) and drive. The area is between than point and the crossroad 3 thang 2/Ly Thuong Kiet. Approximately two miles. Good time to go there is midnight. SW (does it mean street *****s?) are very easy to recognize. Most of them on foot. Usually mamasan on a bike or sitting on a chair not far away. Most of them are in group of 2 or 3 girls. No cop presence at all. (i mean, of course they're here, but undercover).

For 300k, I am absolutely sure you can get one home for 2 hours, perhaps more. But maybe they will be reluctant if you live far away.

I was there tonite and was very surprised to see the place much less crowded than yesterday... Like 80% less. Seriously, yesterday was amazing. It was like a street hookers annual conference. But still, saw some pretty girls. Stopped in front of a extremely gorgeous (and very young) cutie in pink, was ok for 300k, but no way to take her home - So i just gave up, as i'm really not a fan of hotels.

Hope this helps. I'd be curious to know your experience about the spot.

By your side, any good street stop you recommand?

Cheers

Hyatt
08-19-09, 19:48
i share with you another spot for street picking, that i know well, as it's 20 meters away from my place.

it's on binh tanh, close to the manor (this huge expat's condos building).

from d1, take nguyen huu canh. drive 2 miles, you see the manor on your left. keep driving 500 meters. then you see a bridge. right before this bridge (100m before the traffic light), you can do a u-turn by taking a small tunnel under the bridge. so you take nguyen huu canh back in the way to d1. at the exit of the tunnel (which is no more than 10 meters long), on the right, you always see 3 or 4 guys on motorbike, watching at the place.here you are.

then you drive maybe 30 meters, and you see on your right a garage where they sell some speed bikes (cbr, etc...) and harley's. just after this there are every night 10-20 women waiting on the sidewalks. they sit down all together. average age: 30 yo. (and more). not all of them are prostitutes.

another way to go there: you take dien bien phu from d1 and drive till you can turn on nguyen huu canh, then you follow the indications i gave.

beware that it's a spot where only locals go. it's extremely cheap, and girls are ok to go with you to your place (as far as i know). seriously, you can't miss it. but if you go there, protect yourself! those are regular sw - i see the same of them every night.

i've seen those girls going only with locals and truck drivers. most of them are a bit old for me (i m a young fella), but if you're lucky, and if you like women in their mid 30', you can get a good looking one... i've seen a few.

i don't like that much that spot as i always feel a bit confused to stop in front of the whole group, all obviously staring at you. furthermore, i don't wanna do this in my neighbourhood.

place i dont recommand, but depends of your fantasies and your budget.

Nail The World
08-20-09, 08:57
Now I realize where the rip off was in Karaoke. It was when they added tips for the girl in the bill. I did find it odd at that time but wasn't sure so didn't complain. The girls had no idea what was on the bill and they got only half.

If I were to do it again I would ask them to remove that item from the bill. I would insist, agitate or fight as appropriate. And in the worst case give the exact same tip in the hands of the girls. Usually girls are extremely happy with 200K tip from a foreigner. Vietnamese folks are expected to tip 100K.

This is about dist 5 Karaokes.

Wendella
08-20-09, 12:13
The area is between than point and the crossroad 3 thang 2/Ly Thuong Kiet. Approximately two miles. Good time to go there is midnight.

That's a pretty long stretch of road. It was spread out all along that whole stretch? Not concentrated in one particular area of it?

Thanks

Now Finished
08-20-09, 16:51
Hyatt,

I have been there already.

A pimp from dong khoi showed me the place.

My girl was very very young. She just turned 18 (checked her id) and the experience was so-so.

But to be honest:

I wouldt go there alone, this place doesn't seem safe to me.

So my recommendation: take at least on more guy with you. I mean, I passed by this place already a few times alone, but I always had a bad (unsafe) feeling.

But you said its cheap. How much did you pay?

Thanks

Hyatt
08-20-09, 21:47
Now finished

Which spot are you talking about? 3 dhong 2 or Binh Tanh? I ve never felt unsafe anywhere in Saigon, so can't really tell. If you're riding, I don't know what can happen to you. Except an accident if you're looking too much at the chicks. 3 dhong 2, I don't know, I didn't see anything looking dangerous. Binh Tanh spot, no problem. Seriously, no worries. If by "unsafe" you mean cops. Well, I can't tell.

Wandella

I could tell you, but feel lazy to go Google maps now. But yea, actually they spread all along the long road (well, it's no more than 1 mile, if you're riding, no more than 3 minutes). And you'll see them all along. I think it's a well-known spot. Passed over tonite again. Fresh meat everywhere. Seriously speaking, I think my indications were very clear. Drop your computer, take your bike, go have a look. And post a report!

Yella Man
08-21-09, 04:40
Hey guys! I usually monger in the Philippines or Thailand and know little about HCMC. I know mentioning hotels on this particular board is not a good idea. But I'm very interested in taking a side trip to Vietnam (HCMC) in January while I'm in the Philippines. I need some senior member input (preferably by PM) to help me with a clean, suitable, safe hotel choice in a decent play area. Any help would be appreciated.

Still Skinning Them Up!

Yella Man

OzzieSuds
08-21-09, 07:11
Hey guys! I usually monger in the Philippines or Thailand and know little about HCMC. I know mentioning hotels on this particular board is not a good idea. But I'm very interested in taking a side trip to Vietnam (HCMC) in January while I'm in the Philippines. I need some senior member input (preferably by PM) to help me with a clean, suitable, safe hotel choice in a decent play area. Any help would be appreciated.

Still Skinning Them Up!

Yella Man

Get into HCMC in one of the hotels in the Dong Khoi and Mac Thi Boui area. Then take a walk on Mac Thi Boui and Thi Sach where there are at least 10 GF hotels. Or check one of the hotel website for hotels with rates less then US$40 in this area.

Ho Chi Minge
08-21-09, 07:42
I've been a long time lurker on this forum and thought I'd finally add my bit.

Have one regular hot toc on a hem/small street just off HBT in D1, near the junction with TMK. I speak passable viet and never had a bad time at this place. Usual set up. Choose a girl off the sofa, head upstairs to one of their ok looking rooms (massage beds separated by curtains as usual). Girls are highly skilled, enthusiastic and definitely hard working. I pay 200, 000VND (including fee for house) for BBJ. I could pay less but the extra ensures excellent service.

Usually I go for 2 girls there at the same time, sometimes they both work the little man at the same time but usually one works on it and the other works the nipples. Both get naked and you can do what you want to them. Usually choose a young one and an older one for the tag team. Some very cute girls there with awesome bodies.

Have tried one on DBP in BT district and on THD in D5 but found them smaller, dirtier, unfriendlier and with only older women working.

Standard hot tocs. The city is crawling with standard hot toc places where people genuinely get their hair cut. Usually these places have cute girls working there. I've often been offered a HJ and even BJ for less than 100, 000VND in the curtained off massage area of the shop. Worth a go for something cheap and unexpected. Try Ho Ba (N? )hien street in D10 for a few examples.

Yet to get anywhere at the Hot toc/goi dau places with the good looking girls (around Truong Dinh, Bui Thi Xuan etc) but taking the girls out after work is easy enough and its up to you from there.

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Yella Man
08-22-09, 18:29
Get into HCMC in one of the hotels in the Dong Khoi and Mac Thi Boui area. Then take a walk on Mac Thi Boui and Thi Sach where there are at least 10 GF hotels. Or check one of the hotel website for hotels with rates less then US$40 in this area.

Thanks Sudsoz! I think I'm going to be ok. I get the sense that I just have to do a little foot pounding ground work when I get there. Nothing to it!

Still Skinning Then Up!

Yella Man

Wendella
08-23-09, 07:46
Sure. Go at the crossroad CMT8/ Vo Thi Sau - 3 thong 2 (its where VTS becomes 3 thang 2). Take 3 thang 2 (on the left) and drive. The area is between than point and the crossroad 3 thang 2/Ly Thuong Kiet. Approximately two miles. Good time to go there is midnight. SW (does it mean street *****s?) are very easy to recognize. Most of them on foot. Usually mamasan on a bike or sitting on a chair not far away. Most of them are in group of 2 or 3 girls. No cop presence at all. (i mean, of course they're here, but undercover).

That still is a pretty long stretch of road -- normally they congregate around a fairly small area, going in circles to make it easier for a customer to show up at the right spot to find them. The spots I know of are the same ones mentioned often earlier in this thread, mainly the 2 spots over near the bridge (one of them is down the last side street in D1 to the left before the bridge, you'll see them all just before you hit the big circle at DBP). But these days I woudln't recommend these (again, see below so we don't need to repeat the resulting argument that's almost sure to crop up again if I mention why).

Qf787
08-23-09, 10:21
Hello HOCHI,

Please provide the name of the street around HBT.

I have check the area but no hottoc place near NTMK as you mentioned.

Any guidance would be greate

Dragonfly22
08-23-09, 17:31
Ho please share your info on the hot toc. Side street, address maybe, I'll be in HCMC in Oct and would appreciate the info.

Ho Chi Minge
08-23-09, 18:42
Hello HOCHI,

Please provide the name of the street around HBT.

I have check the area but no hottoc place near NTMK as you mentioned.Sorry, my mistake. should be TQK - Tran Quan Khai. As you head up HBT away from D1 take a right onto TQK and immediately take a left down a small street - the place is about 75m down on your left. (sorry but my map doesn't have the name).

Hope that helps

Ho Chi Minge
08-23-09, 18:56
Just a few for you now. more to follow.

Son Tra, Vo Thi Sau - as others have reported here before , BJ is available. The place is a bit run down and shabby and the girls are nothing to write home about. However it used to be possible to get a massage and BJ for 200-250,000 tip. But i bumped into another foreigner in there who was paying 500,000 for the same. ruined it for me - spent far too much time doing hard negotiating. worth a try to see what you can get. they do have the odd good looking girl there.

Festival, Cao Thang - good looking, friendly and hard working girls, decent massage, HJ for 150,000 - 200,000 tip. Girls willing to let you have a good feel while they work. Never had a bad experience there.

Vien Dong Hotel, Pham Ngu Lao - very nice massage place. good looking girls, decent massage with HJ for same as above. Find this a bit more hit and miss though - really depends on the girl you get.

Monica, Ky Dong D3 - same as above.

Johndao
08-24-09, 02:18
Ho please share your info on the hot toc. Side street, address maybe, I'll be in HCMC in Oct and would appreciate the info. I also do not know this spot on HBT, in an alley, near NTMK. Never saw anything like that there. However, if you continue down HBT a ways till you can smell the Banh Xeo you will find exactly what was described. In fact, the same 'gang' (for lack of a better word) runs three very similar shops in a small area and the girls often rotate among the three. One is as as described, the other is on NPK and the third 'branch' is on NVN. Price is 80k plus 100k tip. Sometimes they don't want to give the 20k change from a 100k note so let's call it 200k. Girls are all straight and very hard-working. If not, they are GONE.

These places are Saigon standard BJ shops which means NO discussion of tip or payment before or after service. They service you, you tip them, they say thanks and bye. ANY place where the girls ask for 'how much' and try to negotiate some high rate before service is strictly a tourist/foreigner/visitor rip-off joint.
JD

Crazyazn
08-24-09, 09:48
I just down to LVB to check out the scene. I was looking for a hop toc place with BJ, but I didn't find one. Ended up at a hop toc place on dung 37 & LVB which didn't offer BJ. But the girl I got was very cute! I'm thinking about going back to visit and asking her out. Anyways back to my story, I finally settled for a cafe om called "thanh thuy". This was my first experience at this type of establishment, so I didn't know what to expect. It was ok. Nothing too special, 100K for drinks & HJ. BJ cost an extra 100K, so all together damage was 200K. I got some picks, hope you enjoy! P. S. The pics are geotagged so you can find the place more easy.

OzzieSuds
08-24-09, 22:18
Sorry, my mistake. should be TQK - Tran Quan Khai. As you head up HBT away from D1 take a right onto TQK and immediately take a left down a small street - the place is about 75m down on your left. (sorry but my map doesn't have the name).

Hope that helps

That could be Nguyen Van Nguyen - or then it might not. See map attached.

Sea Mad
08-25-09, 06:17
I just down to LVB to check out the scene. I was looking for a hop toc place with BJ, but I didn't find one. Ended up at a hop toc place on dung 37 & LVB which didn't offer BJ. But the girl I got was very cute! I'm thinking about going back to visit and asking her out. Anyways back to my story, I finally settled for a cafe om called "thanh thuy". This was my first experience at this type of establishment, so I didn't know what to expect. It was ok. Nothing too special, 100K for drinks & HJ. BJ cost an extra 100K, so all together damage was 200K. I got some picks, hope you enjoy! P. S. The pics are geotagged so you can find the place more easy.Thanks for your report and pictures. But what do you mean by "geotagged"? I wasn't able to get the coordinates.

Cheers

Ho Chi Minge
08-25-09, 10:47
That could be Nguyen Van Nguyen - or then it might not. See map attached.You're right. Its Nguyen Van Nguyen.

Richo Stevens
08-26-09, 17:33
A few weeks back I was in HCMC and we were walking around the city area, no idea were we walked really, but one of the streets were full of bars catering for japanese it seems, the girls all dressed up in uniforms or fancy dresses, really good quality ... anyone have any information about what these bars / clubs places are about, and offerings / prices?

Columpuss
08-27-09, 02:07
I think the Jap bars are on one of the side streets at the start of the one-way Ly Tu Trong. My friend ,who is a big spender at bars, thought he was robbed when he sat in one of those bars for half an hour drinking a couple of Heinekens.

It is something that most of us would never understand. You find these bars everywhere in Asia. My theory is that Jap and Korean men are not good at socializing with other nationals hence they demand for such establishments.

Mik Hcmc
08-27-09, 04:12
A few weeks back I was in HCMC and we were walking around the city area, no idea were we walked really, but one of the streets were full of bars catering for japanese it seems, the girls all dressed up in uniforms or fancy dresses, really good quality ... anyone have any information about what these bars / clubs places are about, and offerings / prices?My niece works at one of these hostess bars. She wears the traditional VN dress Ao Dai. She just talks to the japanese customers in japanese, keeps his glass full, basically there to comfort him but not for sex. After the customer has had enough he tips her and pays his overpriced bill and walks/staggers out. The girls she works with are forbidden to go with customers outside of workig hrs.

Rob Doobing
08-27-09, 04:34
A few weeks back I was in HCMC and we were walking around the city area, no idea were we walked really, but one of the streets were full of bars catering for japanese it seems, the girls all dressed up in uniforms or fancy dresses, really good quality ... anyone have any information about what these bars / clubs places are about, and offerings / prices?The street name is Ngo Van Nam, it branches off Le Thanh Ton and joins into Ton Duc Thang along Saigon river embankment. Plenty of Japanese oriented joints, big cost for Japanese type service. IMHO : to be avoided. My two cents.

Whisper1
08-27-09, 05:36
A few weeks back I was in HCMC and we were walking around the city area, no idea were we walked really, but one of the streets were full of bars catering for japanese it seems, the girls all dressed up in uniforms or fancy dresses, really good quality ... anyone have any information about what these bars / clubs places are about, and offerings / prices?

You can also find these bars on Le Thanh Ton, Which is parallel to Ly Tu Trong. Starts at Ton Duc Thang and head down toward Ben Thanh Market. Most of them will be located on your left hand side.

Wendella
08-27-09, 06:04
A few weeks back I was in HCMC and we were walking around the city area, no idea were we walked really, but one of the streets were full of bars catering for japanese it seems, the girls all dressed up in uniforms or fancy dresses, really good quality ... anyone have any information about what these bars / clubs places are about, and offerings / prices?

The street you must be thinking of is Ngo Van Nam. It's got lots more of those bars than Le Thanh Ton or Ly Tu Truong or any other street around there.

Find it here: http://www.diadiem.com/

or use this:
http://www.diadiem.com/VNMap.aspx?l=1&st=SaiGon&n=0;50;50;439040;1238528;439040;1238528;7;4;0;439798.5;1238850;879850;2477700;-1;-1&a=%3BNGO%20VAN%20NAM%3B1%3BB%u1EBEN%20NGH%C9%3B18%3B14%3BA_%3BNGO%20VAN%20NAM%3B1%3BB%u1EBEN%20NGH%C9%3B18%3B14%3BA&tab=0$$$&subTab=0&searchType=-1&b=&result=false&paging=-1&isDirection=true&txt1=&txt2=&ddl1=&ddl2=&cateView=&cateID=&unitID=&X=&Y=&tabCur=-1&boxID=

OzzieSuds
08-27-09, 22:12
My niece works at one of these hostess bars. She wears the traditional VN dress Ao Dai. She just talks to the japanese customers in japanese, keeps his glass full, basically there to comfort him but not for sex. After the customer has had enough he tips her and pays his overpriced bill and walks/staggers out. The girls she works with are forbidden to go with customers outside of workig hrs.

The girls are certainly not allowed to go home with customers. But if you are nice to people good things can happen - I have met a few of these gals for lunch and afters.

Mik Hcmc
08-28-09, 04:44
The girls are certainly not allowed to go home with customers. But if you are nice to people good things can happen - I have met a few of these gals for lunch and afters.One time a few weeks back my niece's mother called up, she hadn't come home from work, turns out a whole bunch of girls from her bar went with a customer to eat after work. She arrived home few hours later.

So there is that possibility. Most of these girls or all that work in these jap/korean bars are looking for husbands. My niece's mother (my sister in law) wants a rich husband who will buy her (the mother) a house, pay for a maid/cook, give her a allowance, buy a new motobike. As for the daughter the husband must buy her a house, car with driver, motobike, cook, maid etc etc. When she told me I just laughed in her face and said no man will do that, not for this chubby lazy virgin bride and a greedy mother in law.

Wendella
08-28-09, 05:45
The girls are certainly not allowed to go home with customers. But if you are nice to people good things can happen - I have met a few of these gals for lunch and afters.

. . . Pie? ;)

Richo Stevens
08-28-09, 08:57
Thanks for your replies in regards of the "Japanese St", do these girls offer any services on the premises, or just companionship?

I am bringing a friend of mine from Europe to HCMC next week, I've got some feel for the place after my visit in July, however. We are looking for some takeaway for 3 days, would this be possible from the western girlie bars in HBT(? ). If so, what would one except to pay for that? I know they charge 50 bucks for a quikie upstairs, so would 150 bucks for 3 days be a good deal for these girls, as I assume they only get a customer every blue moon if staying in the bar.

Or any other tips for girls for a few days, and it has to be quality and not from a dirty run down place catering for locals, as I'd rather not bring too many diseases back home.

AdHome01
08-28-09, 09:02
I've four days left free in the city if anyone wants to meet up, PM me.

Wendella
08-30-09, 07:38
Thanks for your replies in regards of the "Japanese St", do these girls offer any services on the premises, or just companionship?

I am bringing a friend of mine from Europe to HCMC next week, I've got some feel for the place after my visit in July, however. We are looking for some takeaway for 3 days, would this be possible from the western girlie bars in HBT(? ). If so, what would one except to pay for that? I know they charge 50 bucks for a quikie upstairs, so would 150 bucks for 3 days be a good deal for these girls, as I assume they only get a customer every blue moon if staying in the bar.

Or any other tips for girls for a few days, and it has to be quality and not from a dirty run down place catering for locals, as I'd rather not bring too many diseases back home.

Nothing on premises -- and takes work and time to get them to do anything off the premises. For a short visit, this is probably a dead end.

As for the HBT type bars, I don't think you'll get many takers for $150 for 3 days. For one you would have to pay their barfine (around 300,000VND) for each day, and long time to the girl is typically at least 1.5 million VND. You can do the math and bargain from there, but you can see she's going to have to pay the bar 900,000 VND for those 3 days out (don't think that part is negotiable), and it's only the money after that you'll be able to bargain with her over. Let us know what kind of deal you're able to make-- might be useful info for some.

Wendella
08-30-09, 08:02
As you come down Nguyen Kiem street in Go Vap (or is it still Nguyen Oanh there?) -- anyway it is a one way street along the stretch I'm thinking about, heading IN toward the city centre -- there are a bunch of cafes with cute girls close together, around 3 or 4, all on the left side of the street.

Are these just normal cafes? Has anyone checked those out?

Mik Hcmc
08-30-09, 14:12
As you come down Nguyen Kiem street in Go Vap (or is it still Nguyen Oanh there?) -- anyway it is a one way street along the stretch I'm thinking about, heading IN toward the city centre -- there are a bunch of cafes with cute girls close together, around 3 or 4, all on the left side of the street.

Are these just normal cafes? Has anyone checked those out?These cafe's are just around the corner from where I live. I've seen these cafes and much more recently.

Last night I was returning home from a bit of a cruise around, I saw a mamasan and 4 lovely young girls, must have been under 23yrs old at the corner of a certain intersection in GV. This was around 11pm. The Hong Ha strip was dead, Though Hoang Van Thu had some pickings even this late. Some young under 25yr olds hanging around.I've found a lot more locations in the past few nights, Makes for interesting nightly rides.

Richo Stevens
08-30-09, 16:49
1,5 million for LT? That is Singapore prices for a Vietnam girl, that is just insane, anyone else with some comments about the prices for one of the HBS girls for LT?


Nothing on premises -- and takes work and time to get them to do anything off the premises. For a short visit, this is probably a dead end.

As for the HBT type bars, I don't think you'll get many takers for $150 for 3 days. For one you would have to pay their barfine (around 300,000VND) for each day, and long time to the girl is typically at least 1.5 million VND. You can do the math and bargain from there, but you can see she's going to have to pay the bar 900,000 VND for those 3 days out (don't think that part is negotiable), and it's only the money after that you'll be able to bargain with her over. Let us know what kind of deal you're able to make-- might be useful info for some.

Mik Hcmc
08-30-09, 18:05
1,5 million for LT? That is Singapore prices for a Vietnam girl, that is just insane, anyone else with some comments about the prices for one of the HBS girls for LT?Book a ticket to Thailand or Phil's. cheaper girls and better attitudes than the ones on HBT.

Mash Potatoes
08-31-09, 03:45
1, 5 million for LT? That is Singapore prices for a Vietnam girl, that is just insane, anyone else with some comments about the prices for one of the HBS girls for LT? 1.5mill for LT is resonable for the HBT bar area. Maybe you've done your calculations incorrectly but this figure is only about USD$90. Which is far cheaper than Singapore. If you go to the HBT bars and can persuade a pretty thing to go with you for that price, LT, then you've done well (all things being considered).

Outside of these bars you'll be looking at 1 mill ST for most FL or club pick ups. Things aren't that cheap in HCMC.

Nail The World
08-31-09, 14:12
The street you must be thinking of is Ngo Van Nam. It's got lots more of those bars than Le Thanh Ton or Ly Tu Truong or any other street around there.A little late but there's some info I can share. This info is about a month old.

I've been to the first one on the left hand side as you enter from Le Than Ton. To make is absolutely certain they even have a sign plate saying "Japanese". That was the reason I walked into it to see what the fuck is it that they are talking about. The whole street is packed with bar after bar after bar. Lots of lights. Cuties everywhere. It's almost like a little Vegas.

There was a $20 table charge, which is basically what you pay if you decide to stay. $7 beer. Tips for the girl is up to you but naturally they expect something along the lines of other charges.

As I sat myself the mamasan opened up the menu for me to choose from. Bottles of alcoholic beverages ranging from $85 to probably $300. What the fuck lady? Don't you have at least some fucking shame? I could supposedly use the same bottle on following visits. I asked them if could just order a simple fucking beer, then she said yes. Episode one over.

Line up of girls followed. I found the girls to be average but the one I picked was absolutely stunning. She wasn't slim, wasn't big, was tall, extremely pretty, carried herself superbly well, gorgeous body, dressed in white Ao Dai, an angel. Showed the ***** of herself when she sent me a text message at the stroke of midnight if I could buy her a phone the next day when I had planned to meet with her. That was the end.

I asked her what the fuck was Japanese about this place? She laughed embarrassingly and said we have Japanese Karaoke. All girls were Vietnamese, some spoke few sentences of Japanese.

Dawg415
09-03-09, 07:23
I wanted to put something together that will summarize my experiences and other experiences on the board here so that it would be easy to find.

Non Commitment - Quick and Dirty

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SWs - There are many SWs all around the city and some are riding around motorbikes. The great thing is that they are cheaper and you can get someone for about 200K or less plus hotel costs. These girls are easier to set up an arrangement for future sessions and I'm sure if you wanted to make them your GF, that would be easy as well if they see you are willing to dish out money every now and then. The problem is that these girls have much lower standards of themselves, which means they may not take care of themselves as much and like many in VN, if they don't have enough money, they won't go to the doctor. So always be safe with these girls. Also, beware of the lady boys, some of them can look really good with all the work that has been done but it has been reported that they are ruthless and will try to rob you or provide you [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor service.

HOT Toc/Blow and GO - There are many Hot Toc places that provide no extra services but if you do your research on this board you will find places that will do an HJ/BJ for 150K-300K, more if you are in D1. Many girls at these places don't speak English so it may be hard to get them to meet you outside. But it is possible as they feel they are a higher class because a BJ/HJ is almost just like a handshake, and them not allowing access to the wet goods would be considered being like a SW. They are looking for a relationship and many of them work 6 days at a time before getting one day off. I've heard some people on this board meet them before work or one their day off. These girls are usually looking for someone to take care of them. If they work in that establishment, they definitely don't have the skills to make more money or that a regular job does not pay them that much.

Bars and Clubs- If going to bars on HBT many are scared to go out with customers outside, fearing that the owner may find out. So if you do this, try to make it as discreet as possible because if they find out their girls are moonlighting, they will want a piece of the action. The girls at the clubs are typically of higher standards. They work at the clubs or hang out at the clubs to find customers and many times they do want to find someone to take care of them even if it is for a short time. It's much better than sitting around all day waiting for business. For the most part, the bar girls will want 1mil + and sure there is the occasional time you can negotiate down, but the experience is hit or miss.

Commitment Bound/Longer Term

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Here are some general guidelines when looking for a commitment or longer term relationship

- Do be upfront about your situation. If you have a significant other, tell them. Many girls are okay if you are seeing someone, and the expectation is set they you are looking for someone to spend time with and have fun and they will be game just as long as you give them money now and then for their time. This eases the tension of having to hide your secret. BUT BEWARE, maybe I have watched too many movies or TV, but I am always scared of someone blackmailing me saying they will tell the significant other unless you give them more money. I have read some stories on the internet about girls going psycho when you tell them you no longer want to see them and they became dependent on your income. Make sure to keep your information protected. Addresses, phone numbers, etc. Once they find out how to expose you, they may do this. Of course, not many have reported this on this site, but I think it is prudent that you protect yourself from future issues.

- If you are looking for just a casual relationship, make sure this is made clear and is understood. It does no good to drag someone along because many here in VN are looking to get married. When they get attached, there is a lot of drama that needs to be deal with when you don't want to see them anymore.

-If you are looking to date, not necessarily looking to get married, be careful with how the relationship is managed. Many girls will find it necessary to have you meet their family and in some cases help her and family out with finances. Also, many get married after a short time dating. So once you know you it's not going to work, no matter how good the sex is, you need to get out. I've been there and I know how tempting it can be to stick it out longer, but there are so many more girls out there. I think I read 75%+ of the population are in their late 20's to early 30s. It is a very young city.

-If you are wanting to have a girl to bed, make sure you have your own place. Many people in VN live with other family members and in small homes. You will not have the privacy to be alone unless you go to a hotel or at your apartment.

-Be prepared that the girl will ask for money, give reasons why they need it, and it may be for other things, like giving money to the family. The VN culture is very family oriented. Everyone helps each other out without question. It doesn't matter if the brother is lazy, the sister will still give him money. It is expected. The hard thing is that if they worked a regular job and make $150-300 per month, they think it is not contributing that much especially if they know you make 4K or more. To them it is more than enough to live on. Many are used to living paycheck to paycheck or always having to borrow money, therefore I noticed many don't have the concept of saving. In fact many business owners make good money but then end up investing it elsewhere. The ones that live well are the ones that have good businesses, jobs, or married wealthy. But from what I can see it is all show, buying nicer clothes, wanting to buy a house, maybe a nice car. Being in poverty so long, when wealth comes, they want to show it off, plus they end up giving more money to the family members that are not doing well. So if you hook up with a girl, they may look at you as marrying wealthy and may want all the goods that can come with it. Of course this is not always the case, but I do feel the helping other family members out with money is expected.

-If you are looking for casual sex, keep it that way, casual. You may want to consider always just meeting up at a hotel because if you are seeing more than one girl, you never want to have them both give you surprise visits. Also, for me I don't like them knowing where I live. If it ever comes to some sort of conflict, like their boyfriends finding out, they do not know where to find you.

-Most of all, be respective of the girls here. They do have a sense of pride and they are not dumb people. If they end up falling for you after telling them it's not what you want, what can you do. But at least they know they were not deceived. Of course there will still be guys out there that will deceive because they feel they have to or because it doesn't matter as they are looking for a short term thing, but I am mostly talking about situations where you are trying to have a longer term relationship.

The last thing I'd like to note here is that I love the women here with the taught bodies. I met a girl who had four kids and her body is still slammin'.

Okay, I think I had more things to say but I'm worn out. Anyone else? Please comment on this thread, I'd like to get more insights.

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Hyatt
09-04-09, 17:39
Thanks Dawg. You're right about eveything, and I appreciate your sense of observation and this mix of cultural insights and sex business infos.

One question though: what are, according to you, the best spots to get SW? I'm talking about good quality (pretty chicks, and not dirty area - drugs and shit) and good price.

I've spotted NTMK, of course, 3 dang 2, and another place in D3, a big square with a big column and good nightlife around (sorry, can't remember the name).

Tx mate

Whisper1
09-05-09, 05:44
One question though: what are, according to you, the best spots to get SW? I'm talking about good quality (pretty chicks, and not dirty area - drugs and shit) and good price.

Don't you think this is an oxymoron? SW are cheap, so it would comes with all the bad quality that you are NOT looking for. You get what you pay for.

Mash Potatoes
09-05-09, 08:15
One question though: what are, according to you, the best spots to get SW? I'm talking about good quality (pretty chicks, and not dirty area. Drugs and shit) and good price.

'Good Quality' usually work the clubs and bars where they can get paid more. The average price for SW these days is between $15. $25, so no girl in the good quality range is going to be working for that price.

Sorry Mate.

MutantChicken
09-05-09, 11:10
Don't you think this is an oxymoron? SW are cheap, so it would comes with all the bad quality that you are NOT looking for. You get what you pay for.I totally disagree on the saying " you get what you pay for". Its true at the lower end of the scale, but I have had great looking girls at 250 per hr better than the $500+ freelancers in look and service, similarly I have had great girls that were 300k compared to the 1mill + girls I see being talked about in the HBT bars.

The is no single place that has lookers, you need to hunt them down from the places listed by prior posts.

It is the greatest lie, that sellers ve created saying that you get what you pay for, equating quality and pleasure with price.

You don't get a better car, meal or anything just because you pay more, its not a linear corelation thats for sure.

Milkweed
09-06-09, 03:28
I have only ever picked up one SW in SG. I'm picky and a little cautious. But I often drive through the SW areas just for window shopping and with the hope that something wonderful might happen.

Yesterday around 11 am I was riding on NCT. During the day the girls all wear a mask and sunglasses so it is impossible to see what they look like. But then a girl rode up next to me. She has orange hair caramel skin and big pretty eyes. I'm hooked and we pull over briefly. She pulls the mask down and says something in Viet. She's pretty. I reply, "bow new" (how much) and she answers me in English. 200, 000. Wow. Good price.

She takes off and I follow. She takes me to D8. This raises a red flag as there are plenty of hotels around D5. We pull into a tiny ally. Families and various sorts are sitting around. She pulls into an unmarked building. No sign or address. I follow.

Inside a guy takes us up to a room. Looks like a hotel room. TV, stereo, bed. The girl asks for 300, 000 for her and the room. I look at the guy and say, "bow new". He says 50, 000. I give him a hundred and he gives me the change. He turns on the stereo so it is pretty loud and leaves.

I turn the stereo off. Don't care for loud music. The girl asks if I have a condom. I take it out of my pocket and throw it on the bed. She takes my shirt and pants off. I take the advice of this forum and roll my pants up and put them under the pillow. I ask her to undress, but she wants me to lie down for a massage. I get her shirt off. I'm surprised my a large rack. Oh, and she is tall too.

I ask her to take her pants off, but she keeps insisting on me lying down for a massage. She has a strange squeaky high voice. She takes my pants and puts them on a small table at the foot of the bed. I take them back and put them under the pillow. She turns the lights out and tells me to lie down. I turn the lights on and tell her to take her clothes off. She takes my pants and puts them on the little table at the foot of the bed again.

This seems like a clear set-up for a sneak and grab robbery while I'm pinned under what I am beginning to suspect is a former-man. Lights off, loud music, pants in a corner at the foot of the bed, "girl" dressed and me not. So I pick my pants up from the little table for the last time and put them on. I'm out the door and she is right there with me. I worry a little about trouble, but there is none. No complaints or demands for money. I race off back to D5. I'm only out the 50, 000 for the hotel.

Thanks to the guys on this forum. I think your advice and reports saved me from losing my wallet.

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Milkweed
09-06-09, 09:35
Drove over to Dam Sen today. Saw a few Cafe Oms across the street as reported, but they looked kind of creepy to me. Maybe I am feeling more cautious after my last SW experience. So I drove on and crossed into Tan Phu District. A little past a traffic circle I saw cafe oms on either side of the street. Just one on each side. For some reason they seemed a little friendlier so I stopped at the one on the left.

There was one half decent looking girl. I was motioned to sit down in the back. I ordered a hot coffee. It was delivered by one of the fat not decent looking girls. So I gestured towards the one I liked. My fat girl gave me the "no" hand gesture. So I simply gently elbowed the fat girl away from me. So the pretty one comes over. Well, not really pretty, but ok. She has a cute haircut and big dark dumb looking eyes, and I like that.

So she is discreet. Unzips my pants and pulls it out. Undoes her bra so I can get a hand in there. Unzips her pants so I can get a hand in there. Gives me an HJ, but not good enough to accomplish anything. Fairly quickly she gives me the "My hand is so tired" gesture. So I say ok.

She sat with me for a while and encouraged my fondling while being somewhat discreet. Then I handed her a hundred. She took it. Then I put my hand out to show her that I wanted change. She called a fat woman over. They gave me 20, 000. That seemed ok with me. The fat one wanted it back as a tip, but no.

Not anything wonderful, but I was pleased to try this place the one time.

Wendella
09-06-09, 11:29
I totally disagree on the saying " you get what you pay for".

Hm. I'd say it is true that you get what you pay for, but what you pay for isn't the quality of every individual girl going for that price, but rather the convenience of having more lookers together all together in one spot, or more better-service type girls. While it's possible to find something satisfying at the lowest prices, it's also true that you can go hunting in those spots for weeks without finding that satisfaction, whereas your odds of finding it in, say, Bar 91 much higher. Trust me, if you took a group portrait of what's on offer at Bar 91 and put it next to a group portrait of what's on offer at NCT, the difference will be obvious. Your chances of being whisked off to D8 and having your pants put on a little table near the door repeatedly are also much smaller.

But just to focus on service -- on NTMK or one of those spots, you can mostly expect the Wham Bam Thank You Man type of service -- as fast as possible, and with as little feeling as they can get away with. In a bar on HBT, it's pretty standard for the girl to offer to take a shower with you, give a nice long affectionate BJ, to french kiss, etc etc. Always? No. In general? Yes.

Wendella
09-07-09, 05:35
Was cleaning out the PM inbox and came across this one from a few years back, from a member who's long since disappeared from here....

There are some in Go Vap along phan van tri and nguyen oanh also cay tram. (but the police have already closed a lot of them down) The best place in go vap is on phan van bach (it parallels the airport)

The hot spots I like are actually further out, one is on highway 1A (quoc lo mot) You may need a map to find it... Basically along highway 1A from Ba Hom street all the way to Hoc Mon you will find many cafe om's and you'll find some places where the girls will go out with you or give you a bj. (speaking of ba hom street - it also has a lot of places)

For the naked bj I know a couple small cafes on highway 13 in Vinh Loc (off of highway 1) - look for a small cafe on the right side maybe it's about 3 or 4 km away from highway 1... And one on the left side with no sign in front a bit further up the street... I've also found places on highway 13 and ajacent areas for boom boom...

Another spot is in Binh Duong - take the binh phuoc intersection ("nga tu binh phuoc") About 5 km up the street from quoc lo mot there are quite a few places on the left side. Also at the 5 km mark you will find an intersection. If you turn right and follow it you will find alot of places. This street goes through "huyen thuan an" and on through to "huyen di an" - Also try the street from "nga tu linh xuan" it goes from quoc lo mot through "huyen di an" and on through to bien hoa.

[this PM is from Sept 2005, btw, so can't vouch for accuracy at this point -- I leave the vouching to you boys ;-) ]

Rob Doobing
09-07-09, 14:00
Was cleaning out the PM inbox and came across this one from a few years back, from a member who's long since disappeared from here....

There are some in Go Vap along phan van tri and nguyen oanh also cay tram. (but the police have already closed a lot of them down) The best place in go vap is on phan van bach (it parallels the airport)

The hot spots I like are actually further out, one is on highway 1A (quoc lo mot) You may need a map to find it... Basically along highway 1A from Ba Hom street all the way to Hoc Mon you will find many cafe om's and you'll find some places where the girls will go out with you or give you a bj. (speaking of ba hom street - it also has a lot of places)

For the naked bj I know a couple small cafes on highway 13 in Vinh Loc (off of highway 1) - look for a small cafe on the right side maybe it's about 3 or 4 km away from highway 1... And one on the left side with no sign in front a bit further up the street... I've also found places on highway 13 and ajacent areas for boom boom...

Another spot is in Binh Duong - take the binh phuoc intersection ("nga tu binh phuoc") About 5 km up the street from quoc lo mot there are quite a few places on the left side. Also at the 5 km mark you will find an intersection. If you turn right and follow it you will find alot of places. This street goes through "huyen thuan an" and on through to "huyen di an" - Also try the street from "nga tu linh xuan" it goes from quoc lo mot through "huyen di an" and on through to bien hoa.

[this PM is from Sept 2005, btw, so can't vouch for accuracy at this point -- I leave the vouching to you boys ;-) ]This is interesting even-though probably outdated. As I am living in that vicinity, I would be interested to go out exploring and updating these resources. Any one interested to join, PM me!

Mik Hcmc
09-10-09, 05:12
This is interesting even-though probably outdated. As I am living in that vicinity, I would be interested to go out exploring and updating these resources. Any one interested to join, PM me!I live in Go Vap. IF you want to meet up and go for a ride around I'm up for it.

Phan Van Tri and Nguyen Oanh is good for me, Near the Petrol station.

Kodanana
09-10-09, 17:19
Hong Ha does exist. I suggest you use the above link to find the street. I find it much easier than google maps. You start typing in the street and you will see suggestions appear. The site uses the same images from googlemaps.

To get to Hong Ha, simply head to the Airport via Truong Son. At the very end you can either go straight to the airport or turn right. Parkson Department Store is on the RHS, Turn right down that street. You are now on Hong Ha. (Hong Ha is not a straight street/road. Its more of a loop.) You will pass a lineup of taxi's, hot tocs, cafes etc etc.You missed a great spot on this street. Look for the Beauty Saloon in between Le Minh Barber & Airview Cafe. BBBJ is on, with a massage. 200K max.

Also, instead of turn right at the T junction, turn left and follow Bach Dang st. Every single Hot Toc place along the street (about 6-8) offer BJ, entry 60K-80K, tips max 100K.

Good luck.

Mik Hcmc
09-11-09, 04:27
You missed a great spot on this street. Look for the Beauty Saloon in between Le Minh Barber & Airview Cafe. BBBJ is on, with a massage. 200K max.

Also, instead of turn right at the T junction, turn left and follow Bach Dang st. Every single Hot Toc place along the street (about 6-8) offer BJ, entry 60K-80K, tips max 100K.

Good luck.I've seen these Hot Toc's but have no interest in them.

Rob Doobing
09-11-09, 04:59
I live in Go Vap. IF you want to meet up and go for a ride around I'm up for it.Cannot PM you! Do the necessary to become PM' able!

Milkweed
09-11-09, 16:13
The BJ/HJ hot toc will have doors that offer those inside some privacy. There may be a guy or two sitting outside to take care of the motorbikes. Pull up and park in front of the doors and don't worry about the guys there. They don't give you a ticket. After you park go straight inside.

There will be some sleepy looking girls in sexy uniforms slumbering on the couches and barber chairs. One of them probably popped up to open the door for you. Look around for a girl you like. If you don't see anyone then you can look in the back room. Motion for the one you like. Wait until she is coming towards you, then go up the stairs. You go first and she follows.

Let her choose the massage table. Take off your shoes and shirt and lie down. Don't take off your pants! She will leave to get wet towels. When she comes back she may give you a quick leg massage. Then she will take your pants down.

She will clean your nipples, hands, and dick with the wet towels. They may be quite cold. Then the fun begins. She will start the BJ. She may pull her panties down and shirt up. Or she may wait until you express an interest in this. You can finger her.

Other possibilities. Maybe she will get on top of you, maybe she will let you eat her, maybe she will simulate sex with you, maybe she will cuddle with you after.

After you are done, she will clean you up. So don't jump up right away. After you are wiped down, get up and get dressed. You can give her her tip then (100, 000) or she may prefer that you give the total 200, 000 to the boss downstairs. Then you leave.

Possible problems: other customers are too noisy, girl is on her period (no fingering), girl gives you the clap.

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Mik Hcmc
09-11-09, 18:41
the best place in go vap is on phan van bach (it parallels the airport) i went for a long ride around on 10th and 11th and this place is dead. i went there around 730pm and nothing but a flooded bumpy road (i had fun pretending my bike was a dirt bike) and tonight around 11pm it was a lot less flooded but still a very bumpy road. theres a few cafe om's lit up with blue, red, green neon lights inside on the side opposite the airstrip, theres a couple army guys posted at various entrances on the airport side. once you get to the end of the road it becomes a nice smooth road and a army guy on guard duty at the very end.

had a look at a few other places, hong ha still had a few as did in front of big c on hoang van thu. theres a young looking girl with glasses that i've notice that hasn't been there before. couple lookers but i already had my massage so wasn't too interested. ntmk had a handfull of workers waiting customers.

phan van tri has a few solo girls rep001tered its length from nguyen thai son upto the end thong nhat. there are a few ht shops on the left side as you ride up away from hcmc. these were still open close to midnight when i went past them, just now.

Crazyazn
09-11-09, 19:43
Let me start of by saying I have NEVER struck out 3 times before in HMC! I started my day off at 7:00pm, because you know what they say "the early bird gets the worm" or at least they get my worm. Anyways I went to smileys first and that's were the BS started! I'm viet kieu, so when I asked if I could come in for a beer in viet. The guy at the door said the place was reserved for a bday party and wouldn't let me in! Which is totally the worst BS excuse I ever heard one before in my life! So I figured F*&$ them I'll just head over to HBT. I decided to go to 91 because of the quality of chicks. This time I speak in english to the door guy and he lets me in with no problem. After sitting down for 30mins and two beers, I finally saw the one I wanted so asked her to sit down.

15min goes by and I pop the question, she then responds that she can't because she is working. I tell her I have no problem paying the bar fine, but she still says she can't go. I then ask what about after work. She then tells me she will go, but only for drinks and food. Now I'm starting to get a bit frustrated. I pay for the drinks and tip her 200k, the proceed to 51. Again to problem getting in the door. I then sit down with my 4th heineken, horny and ready for any action! Another 15min goes by and a very eager beaver sits next to me and rubs my back while asking for a LD. I figure this chick really wants some money, so pop the question again. AND again I'm shot down. More BS about can't leave work and that she is on her period. Now I'm really pissed off with these bitches, I proceed to pay the bill and leave. She then grabs my hand and says "tip tip". I HATE begin forced into doing anything, so I give her 50K and leave. After 3 failed attempts to obtain pussy I finally decide to call it a night.

My only question is this. What is going on here? ! ? Did I do something wrong? Is it because I'm viet kieu? Last year I had no problem going to these places and getting any pussy I wanted. Now everyone is uptight and uninterested. Any advice would be much appreciated!

Wendella
09-12-09, 15:52
Let me start of by saying I have NEVER struck out 3 times before in HMC!

Really strange. I have been rejected before but it's pretty rare (for me at least). The fact they wouldn't even let you in at 2 of the bars makes me think it's something to do with concern about undercover police or something. But I'm guessing just like you are.

Phantomtiger2
09-12-09, 21:59
Let me start of by saying I have NEVER struck out 3 times before in HMC!.

. Now I'm starting to get a bit frustrated. I pay for the drinks and tip her 200k,

. Now I'm really pissed off with these bitches, I proceed to pay the bill and leave. She then grabs my hand and says "tip tip". I HATE begin forced into doing anything, so I give her 50K and leave.

After 3 failed attempts to obtain pussy I finally decide to call it a night.

!


I feel your frustration pal,

But I must have missed something in your report, as I still don't understand why you even bother to leave such a huge tip for these girls that frustrated you and gave you nothing in return. Try to remember that tips in Vietnam (and in most Asian countries in general) is not expected unless service was rendered or service was good. By giving them a nice large tip, it will give them a wrong message that providing zero service will get them a nice return. Not what we like to reinforce from the gals.--IMO

PT

Johndao
09-14-09, 02:20
Really strange. I have been rejected before but it's pretty rare (for me at least). The fact they wouldn't even let you in at 2 of the bars makes me think it's something to do with concern about undercover police or something. But I'm guessing just like you are.
Believe me guys, there is no problem with undercover police at bars on HBT and surrounds. That's what these bars do, supply girls for takeout. It's no secret, they are not hidden, they are not new. They are out in the open for everyone to see (rules require closed doors at night) and they have been there for many, many years. Also, they are right in the center of the main tourist area. That's what they are there for! It takes no undercover police to discover their mission, their mission was set for them long ago and it is fully approved, for the obvious reasons.

The more likely reason for this Viet Kieu poster's recent troubles at some bars is a recent story making the rounds. Whether the story is true or not I can't say. It describes an all-too-common and unfortunate type of abuse of sex workers, but not one that usually happens to girls from the HBT bars. It seems that recently a Viet Kieu took a girl from one of the bars back to his hotel. They entered a darkened room and then the guy and four of his friends jumped the girl and all abused her sexually. They took off and left her, without paying anything of course.

This happens to streetwalkers and you can see when they go in a room they are wary and looking around. So now girls at the bars have become wary of Viet Kieu, at least for a while.
JD

AdHome01
09-15-09, 14:22
Let me start of by saying I have NEVER struck out 3 times before in HMC! I started my day off at 7:00pm, because you know what they say "the early bird gets the worm" or at least they get my worm. Anyways I went to smileys first and that's were the BS started! I'm viet kieu, so when I asked if I could come in for a beer in viet. The guy at the door said the place was reserved for a bday party and wouldn't let me in! Which is totally the worst BS excuse I ever heard one before in my life! So I figured F*&$ them I'll just head over to HBT. I decided to go to 91 because of the quality of chicks. This time I speak in english to the door guy and he lets me in with no problem. After sitting down for 30mins and two beers, I finally saw the one I wanted so asked her to sit down.

15min goes by and I pop the question, she then responds that she can't because she is working. I tell her I have no problem paying the bar fine, but she still says she can't go. I then ask what about after work. She then tells me she will go, but only for drinks and food. Now I'm starting to get a bit frustrated. I pay for the drinks and tip her 200k, the proceed to 51. Again to problem getting in the door. I then sit down with my 4th heineken, horny and ready for any action! Another 15min goes by and a very eager beaver sits next to me and rubs my back while asking for a LD. I figure this chick really wants some money, so pop the question again. AND again I'm shot down. More BS about can't leave work and that she is on her period. Now I'm really pissed off with these bitches, I proceed to pay the bill and leave. She then grabs my hand and says "tip tip". I HATE begin forced into doing anything, so I give her 50K and leave. After 3 failed attempts to obtain pussy I finally decide to call it a night.

My only question is this. What is going on here? ! ? Did I do something wrong? Is it because I'm viet kieu? Last year I had no problem going to these places and getting any pussy I wanted. Now everyone is uptight and uninterested. Any advice would be much appreciated!

I asked one of the girls I know who works at one of the HBT bars. She said her bar, along with most of the other bars on HBT, don't allow VK guys in. I didn't ask why.

Milkweed
09-16-09, 04:59
Rode through here at about 10: 30 on Sunday night. Made a right onto Ng. Duy Duong and noticed someone on my left. A big older woman and a young woman on back. Younger woman looked ok, curvy womanly body and pretty face with make up. I let them pull up ahead of me so I could get a look.

I was lucky we hit a red light. Pulled up next to them. Old woman wanted 400, 000. She offered this in Viet. I shook my head "no" and answered in Viet that it was too expensive. As the red light counter counted down, the old woman countered with 300, 000. Ok. We did a you-turn.

I stopped right there at a hotel I had been to once before and pulled in the parking area. They followed. Went inside with the girl. She gave them her ID and I gave them 50, 000. They gave us a condom. No words exchanged. Walked straight ahead to a group of 3 rooms. It doesn't really matter which one. They don't give you a room key. There is a lock on the inside.

Went in the room. Girl immediately goes in the bathroom with a towel.comes out a few minutes later with just the towel around her waist. Nice. She looks lush. She is a big girl, tall, with hips. She isn't fat, just so curvy and feminine looking and fresh. I feel happy for a change after so many small girls.

We lay on the bed. She pays attention to me with her hand and I pay attention to her lovely natural breasts. I get excited quickly and we put on the condom.

She is a one position girl. Too bad. But I made the most of the one position. No rushing from her. Afterwards, gave her the 300, 000 and we left.

A rare thing for me. A good SW experience.

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Milkweed
09-16-09, 05:52
Last night about 10: 30 I made a right turn onto NQ from Ng. Chi Thanh. I hit a hornets nest of motorbike pimps. Maybe half a dozen of them. Some male pimps and some older women. They all had a girl on the back. I rode through a couple times and they were aggressive in hawking their girls. I didn't see anything I liked. I stopped next to the one pimp and he reached in the direction of my keys on the motorbike. That was enough for me and I tool off.

Anyone have experience here? It seems a bit aggressive for me. Ng. Chi Thanh (between Ng. Tri Phuong and Su Van Hanh) seems gentle in comparison.

Wanderlust
09-16-09, 09:08
Hi fellas. Am going to HCMC for my first time next week. First time to Viet Nam actually. I am in need of some specific info. Please don't ask me to search, as you can see I am a senior member and know thatgig. My request is specific plus I do not yet know the geography of HCMC to answer my own Q's.
I need a hotel that is comparerable to Bangkoks "Sukhemvit Crown" or Golden Palace on soi 1. Always have inexpensive rooms available is most important as I will just show up and find a room. Also Similar or less in price ($25USD) and similar in safety and honest staff. Is that possible in the main part of HCMC? Also would like the hotel where I can get easy access to the war museum and a tour to the war tunnels. Can these 3-4 items be found together?
It is hard to correlate what is read here with an actual city layout when one hasn't been before and has no map. Please be specific if you are kind enough to respond. Gentlemen......help me start my engine! No PMs please, no hab.
Peace, and thanks guys.

Johndao
09-16-09, 10:09
Last night about 10: 30 I made a right turn onto NQ from Ng. Chi Thanh. I hit a hornets nest of motorbike pimps. Maybe half a dozen of them. Some male pimps and some older women. They all had a girl on the back. I rode through a couple times and they were aggressive in hawking their girls. I didn't see anything I liked. I stopped next to the one pimp and he reached in the direction of my keys on the motorbike. That was enough for me and I tool off.

Anyone have experience here? It seems a bit aggressive for me. Ng. Chi Thanh (between Ng. Tri Phuong and Su Van Hanh) seems gentle in comparison.Yes Milkweed you are right. Warning to everyone and anyone. This is one of the few really dangerous places in HCMC. That's Ngo Quyen, at night. It's ok in the day and has some good ST hotels. At night there is a gang of absolutely out of control, wild, drug addicts with girls (all of them high and addicts). They are aggressive and dangerous and obnoxious. Even driving on this street at night is a hazard. Stay away.

The nearby Ng Chi Thanh can be a gold mine of young girls at cheap prices and some 30+ women, but you have to choose carefully. It's safe there though and active around Noon and at night too. Milkweed's report below is completely accurate. I have pulled 20-30 girls off this street in the past 18 months or so and there has never been a problem except occasional poor performance on some, but that's to be expected anywhere. The price is always 150k to 300k at the highest, typically 200k. Just choose them carefully. Lots of ST hotels nearby. 50-70k per hour. Bring your camera. Use it. Post.
JD

Wendella
09-16-09, 15:53
Hi fellas.

I can't help with the hotel, I don't use them, but here's a great easy-to-use map. Make sure to switch to English version. This ought to make your planning a lot easier.

http://www.diadiem.com/

Wanderlust
09-16-09, 19:39
Wendella::: Thanks bud the general map of Saigon really is a big help in knowing what you guys are talking about.
OTHERS:: please if anyone hhas specific info on $30 hotels, trust worthy staff, ALWAYS a room AVAILABILITY around other mongers please continue to respond. WL

OzzieSuds
09-16-09, 21:56
Wendella::: Thanks bud the general map of Saigon really is a big help in knowing what you guys are talking about.
OTHERS:: please if anyone hhas specific info on $30 hotels, trust worthy staff, ALWAYS a room AVAILABILITY around other mongers please continue to respond. WLWanderlust - I can give you the hotel info that you want but only on PM and not in the forum. These places are small and could not handle the overload - there is also a concern over prying eyes. And they do not show on Wendella's map - the ones that show there are not GF.

There is a a hotel thread and if you read or scan it you will find the info that you need - but you may need to go back a bit.

The other advice is to book one night at one of the hotels near Dong Khoi on Wendella's map and take a walk around in the morning. You will soon find what you want.

And I did send you a PM.

Sound7
09-16-09, 22:36
What a trip report?

It reminds me of my time in Sia gon.

The traffic was at a halt. Vietnam won, football game with Thailand. Many young pretty faces in the crowd and the road.


Rode through here at about 10: 30 on Sunday night. Made a right onto Ng. Duy Duong and noticed someone on my left. A big older woman and a young woman on back. Younger woman looked ok, curvy womanly body and pretty face with make up. I let them pull up ahead of me so I could get a look.

I was lucky we hit a red light. Pulled up next to them. Old woman wanted 400, 000. She offered this in Viet. I shook my head "no" and answered in Viet that it was too expensive. As the red light counter counted down, the old woman countered with 300, 000. Ok. We did a you-turn.

A rare thing for me. A good SW experience.

Wendella
09-17-09, 05:10
That's Ngo Quyen, at night.

The nearby Ng Chi Thanh can be a gold mine of young girls at cheap prices Ngo Quyen at which cross street?

And which stretch of Ng Chi Thanh? (around which intersection)

I've seen them in these areas, but just wanted to be sure about which exact area(s) you're referring to.

MutantChicken
09-17-09, 17:40
Last night about 10: 30 I made a right turn onto NQ from Ng. Chi Thanh. I hit a hornets nest of motorbike pimps. Maybe half a dozen of them. Some male pimps and some older women. They all had a girl on the back. I rode through a couple times and they were aggressive in hawking their girls. I didn't see anything I liked. I stopped next to the one pimp and he reached in the direction of my keys on the motorbike. That was enough for me and I tool off.

Anyone have experience here? It seems a bit aggressive for me. Ng. Chi Thanh (between Ng. Tri Phuong and Su Van Hanh) seems gentle in comparison.Hey I'm kinda larfing when I read this as Ngo quen is my local. I live 2 streets away I do agree the pimps and the girls are kinda pushy, and I am sure they will steal if you lose control of the situation, but there are a few attractive girls there. Dangerous. In not sure if agree. And I have never noticed any daytime or midday action. But thn I'm not picking up any thing act midday on NCT either.

Cunning Stunt
09-20-09, 10:46
Never mongered in HCMC before but visiting next month and, obviously, would like to do so.

Please don't advise and subject me to reading through pages and pages of reports for the answer to my simple question which might be answered easily by one of you local experts.

My question is where might best I head to obtain a decent shag with a reasonably presentable, young (under 25) Vietnamese lady which is going to be relatively hassle free and not involve getting scammed, viciously scalped or any other similar nasty occurrences endangering my pleasure.

Take it most hotels are not GF and ST motels/hotels are the norm?

Apologies if that is more than 1 question:).

Johndao
09-21-09, 02:33
Never mongered in HCMC before but visiting next month and, obviously, would like to do so.

Please don't advise and subject me to reading through pages and pages of reports for the answer to my simple question which might be answered easily by one of you local experts.

My question is where might best I head to obtain a decent shag with a reasonably presentable, young (under 25) Vietnamese lady which is going to be relatively hassle free and not involve getting scammed, viciously scalped or any other similar nasty occurrences endangering my pleasure.

Take it most hotels are not GF and ST motels/hotels are the norm?

Apologies if that is more than 1 question:).
VN is probably the most unpleasant and difficult place to monger for one who is not familiar with the country and city and ways of the people. It's nothing like any neighboring country. To meet all the criteria you listed above you will need to go to one of the Hai Ba Trung and vicinity bars (Le Thanh Ton) which have been discussed here, in great detail, over and over, for years. Sometimes I complain that is the only topic here!

Although ridiculously overpriced by local standards, they are safe places, you will meet a girl to meet your standards easily, they will take you someplace ok and the experience may be very good or at least acceptable. That's why these places are allowed to exist, for the convenience of businessman at the nearby hotels and so men don't have to go out hunting streetwalkers and meeting moto taxi drivers looking to cheat them. Just easy, safe and ok. But as I said, expensive. I never go there, but some have described paying as much as 1.2 million plus 400,000 more to the bar and some even reporting that the bar manager still demands more for a minimum number of drinks. But if you do not use the services of these bars, as a newcomer you may have very difficult and unhappy experiences here.
JD

Raverboy
09-21-09, 03:53
...Please don't advise and subject me to reading through pages and pages of reports for the answer to my simple question which might be answered easily by one of you local experts.

My question is where might best I head to obtain a decent shag with a reasonably presentable, young (under 25) Vietnamese lady which is going to be relatively hassle free and not involve getting scammed, viciously scalped or any other similar nasty occurrences endangering my pleasure.

Take it most hotels are not GF and ST motels/hotels are the norm?

Apologies if that is more than 1 question:).

Well, a good day to you too! :D

Here's a recent post that was recommended to ROD, provides a quick run down of some of the bars that Johndao mentions in the prevous post:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=842707&postcount=152

With regards to your question on hotels, the answer is 'yes'.

Hope that was a fitting response to your question (and the manner in which you asked it.) ;)

Have a good trip.

Dawg415
09-21-09, 10:03
Yes Milkweed you are right. Warning to everyone and anyone. This is one of the few really dangerous places in HCMC. That's Ngo Quyen, at night. It's ok in the day and has some good ST hotels. At night there is a gang of absolutely out of control, wild, drug addicts with girls (all of them high and addicts). They are aggressive and dangerous and obnoxious. Even driving on this street at night is a hazard. Stay away.

The nearby Ng Chi Thanh can be a gold mine of young girls at cheap prices and some 30+ women, but you have to choose carefully. It's safe there though and active around Noon and at night too. Milkweed's report below is completely accurate. I have pulled 20-30 girls off this street in the past 18 months or so and there has never been a problem except occasional poor performance on some, but that's to be expected anywhere. The price is always 150k to 300k at the highest, typically 200k. Just choose them carefully. Lots of ST hotels nearby. 50-70k per hour. Bring your camera. Use it. Post.

JDJD,

How is the action during the day on NCT? Are they all on MBs? Just want to know how to spot them and where. Should i walk the streets between NQ and Su Van Hanh?