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Cunning Stunt
09-21-09, 14:51
Well, a good day to you too! :D

Here's a recent post that was recommended to ROD, provides a quick run down of some of the bars that Johndao mentions in the prevous post:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=842707&postcount=152

With regards to your question on hotels, the answer is 'yes'.

Hope that was a fitting response to your question (and the manner in which you asked it.) ;)

Have a good trip.

Thanks for that Raverboy and Johndao. Your advise and recommendations are much appreciated.

Sorry, if my phrasing sounded a little sharp, Rboy. I assure you nothing was further from my mind. Just that I'm on the road at the moment without a reliable internet connection (using net cafes) and am unable to do much online research.

My fault for not doing my research before I left home:(.

Does the going get harder outside HCMC? I mean is there any decent mongering prospects in Nha Trang, Dalat, Hanoi etc?

Cheers

El Vagabundo
09-21-09, 18:04
I am planning my first trip to Vietnam in December. The plan is to fly into HCMC, cruise around until I have had my fill, then move on to The Philippines. Hang out another several weeks and then on to Thailand. I am flying out of BKK 6 weeks after I arrive into HCMC. As always my plans are flexible. Fluid so to speak.

Questions

1) Are inexpensive motorcycle rentals available as in Thailand and Philippines?

2) If so, is traveling outside of HCMC safe?

I am searching through the archives and I am sure I will have more questions as time goes along.

Thanks for the help.

Martin

Dionysius
09-22-09, 05:03
Flight to SGN arrives late (23:30). Do I (or should I) need reservations for late night arrival for 2/3* hotel in market area? Can I trust airport taxi drivers to recommend hotels?

Only staying overnight in hcmc before progressing to BKK. Flights to sgn + airasia sgn/BKK r/t are 50% cost of flights to BKK now. Plan to stay 3-4 days in hcmc on return leg.

OzzieSuds
09-23-09, 00:12
Flight to SGN arrives late (23:30). Do I (or should I) need reservations for late night arrival for 2/3* hotel in market area? Can I trust airport taxi drivers to recommend hotels?

Only staying overnight in hcmc before progressing to BKK. Flights to sgn + airasia sgn/BKK r/t are 50% cost of flights to BKK now. Plan to stay 3-4 days in hcmc on return leg.

You will find information about SGN hotels under the Hotels thread.

Gaolei
09-23-09, 00:52
Look at the First Hotel, Ho Chi Minh City. It is not very far from the airport and a nice hotel. There is a bar across the street where you can relax and get a beer after the long trip. I would get it before arrival. Many small hotels close and lock the door early.

Gaolei
09-23-09, 00:56
I am planning my first trip to Vietnam in December. The plan is to fly into HCMC, cruise around until I have had my fill, then move on to The Philippines. Hang out another several weeks and then on to Thailand. I am flying out of BKK 6 weeks after I arrive into HCMC. As always my plans are flexible. Fluid so to speak.

Questions

1) Are inexpensive motorcycle rentals available as in Thailand and Philippines?

2) If so, is traveling outside of HCMC safe?


Martin

Driving a motorcycle in Vietnam is not safe in IMHO.
You also cannot legally rent a motorcycle without a Vietnamese drivers' license.

The people outside Saigon are basicaly good people. It is a relatively safe country, much safer than the US.

Ajashi
09-23-09, 07:14
Just by chance as I was waiting last evening for my gig, I noticed something worth reporting here. So many of you fellow mongerers are searching for the ready to go and use diy approach that is fool proof. Well that doesn't exist in VN, BUT! While waiting "unusually long for at least 15min" in front of one of the hotel in Bui Vien (near the Go2 crossing) where I always go (due to the reliability, PM if you wanna know which) it was more than obvious that this spot is designed for those opportunities: The Motorbikes with the ladies keep passing by especially early evening ( 8-10) and start their journey hunting tourists through here. Standing there waiting you're pray for them, and within these 15 minutes 6 girls (6 8) approached me "hello, massage bum bum BJ, or what you want". I didn't even need to look at them so with some efforts you can select from a decent selection just go back to the hotel in front of which you're standing (frequented and accepted by all those) pay the 100k for an hour (extend an hour for 50K). Noone can follow you in this place as it is not a shaddy place and you won't be running in any scene as the Hotel Mangement is keen to keep its clientel. Not sure how much to pay the girl but guess 500k is max you should do

Happy hunting

Milkweed
09-23-09, 08:16
Not sure how much to pay the girl but guess 500k is max you should do

Happy hunting


Nice report, but I think 300,000 is enough for the girl.

Raverboy
09-23-09, 09:49
Driving a motorcycle in Vietnam is not safe in IMHO.
You also cannot legally rent a motorcycle without a Vietnamese drivers' license.

The people outside Saigon are basicaly good people. It is a relatively safe country, much safer than the US.

Riding a motorcycle in VN is definitely riskier, unless you're a seasoned rider or unless you're in the countryside (not including highways, which IMO is a fastrack way to meet your end, Viet-style!). Took me about a year of living here before I felt comfortable enough to ride around Saigon on a scooter and purchase one. That is without having any prior experience riding a motorbike.

Nobody 'legally rents' a motorcycle here. That would mean putting all the good folks in Pham Ngu Lao out of business. Many aren't even 'legal' to ride (no license). That's the risk with riding here - you can assure yourself you'll be careful but you can't get the same assurance from others. Money talks, no license required to rent, just the Uncle Ho's. Of course, good luck if you hit someone.

Hyatt
09-23-09, 19:13
I am planning my first trip to Vietnam in December. The plan is to fly into HCMC, cruise around until I have had my fill, then move on to The Philippines. Hang out another several weeks and then on to Thailand. I am flying out of BKK 6 weeks after I arrive into HCMC. As always my plans are flexible. Fluid so to speak.

Questions

1) Are inexpensive motorcycle rentals available as in Thailand and Philippines?

2) If so, is traveling outside of HCMC safe?

I am searching through the archives and I am sure I will have more questions as time goes along.

Thanks for the help.

MartinDude,

I have to say something. I've been a rider forever, a true motorbike lover, and I came in Vietnam to ride, actually. Don't listen to those who tells you that you need a driver licence to rent a bike here. They forgot prostitution is also forbidden in VN, while you have prostitutes everywhere. It's like this here: there's a gap between the official rules and the reality.

Well.

1/ Yes you can. The matter will be to find a nice bike. Finding a dirt bike is extremely hard in HCM, easier in Hanoi. I have a 250cc dirt bike here, and I've seen only a very few in town those last months. And I'm all the time riding. What you can find pretty easily are those "custom" bikes, looking like Harley, not sure what is the cc, but I think you can get a 250 or even a 400. They do rent those close to Pham Ngu Lao area. Min: 5 days, average tourist price: 40USD.

2/ Yes it is, if you're a skillful driver. Highway is dangerous because of trucks, but if you're very careful, no problem. The thing is that it's extremely exhausting to drive so aware. You'll need four days to do HCM-Hanoi in safe conditions. Nevertheless, riding at night on the highway is absolutely out of question if you do not wanna die. Also, careful on the countryside roads. To me, they're way more dangerous than the highway.

Happy ride. And be safe.

Mik Hcmc
09-24-09, 05:08
I never rode a scooter/moped/motorbike until I moved here. Now I love riding. Don't let people put you off from riding here, however be aware of the risk's and dangers. Police will stop you and try to get a "fine" I had one stop me and ask usd$50 but I laughed in his face, shouted NO! And grabbed his name badge, by then he was not so confident and let me go. I was lucky as I didn't have my vn lic then. International lic are not recognised here. The first few times will be scary. Think motocross race where they are all bunched up at the start as it's similar when you are waiting at the traffic lights. Don't be too quick to take off on a green light as theres always the few bicycles, cars, trucks, bus's and bikes that believe the road rules don't apply to them. If your wanting to try it for a experience then go for it. Like many things that are fun in life. Just don't get caught!

Wendella
09-24-09, 06:03
if you are looking for what they call 'motorbikes', those are everywhere and can be had for as little as 50,000vnd per day. that means honda wave or something like that. there's lesser models than that (like honda dream) and better ones (yamaha nuovo, atila, etc.) not sure if you meant a real motorcycle, as hyatt just described, or just meant theses standard type bikes that everyone drives in the city (and outside it as well).

as for safety, i disagree strongly with hyatt re highway safety. i used to do the trek from hcmc to bien hoa pretty often. i wouldn't try it again. the truth is that the trucks drive very dangerously and often run motorbike riders over, almost always killing them. you have no control over this. they pass on the left, they pass on the right, and you never know when someone's going to do something stupid. a few days ago, by accident i caught a glimpse of an extremely nasty video of a vn cop who'd been run over by a truck at the roadside. the worst thign i've seen in my life. i would make a guess that highway deaths in this country are probably close to teh highest in the world. you have all these motorbikes everywhere, and truck drivers who have no sense of responsibility swerving all over the place at too-high speeds -- no real enforcement of speed or drunk driving laws -- its a recipe for the worst highway safety conditions imaginable.

Sea Mad
09-24-09, 16:33
I would like to know how Hyatt is able to drive around on a 250 cc bike. Actually you’re not supposed to drive a bike bigger than 175 cc, the exception to the rule being military, civil workers that need bigger bikes and so on. As I converted my driving license to a Vietnamese one I got the A1 (bikes from 50 cc to 175 cc, under 50 cc you don’t need a driving license) and the B1 (cars) levels even if in my country I can drive whatever motorbike I want.

I live in the province and I’m pretty sure that driving a big motorbike would mean to ask for troubles with the police, probably it’s different in HCMC or Hanoi.

Driving in Vietnam is quite better than driving in Cambodia where I lived three years, but it’s still dangerous for someone that is not accustomed to the Vietnamese way of driving. Driving outside the main cities you have to keep in mind that everything bigger than a motorbike takes precedence on you, prepare to give way. Take also care from whatever/whoever runs out from the house on the road sides, doga and kids being the most dangerous.

BTW Can someone suggest a third party insurance company? How much does it cost?

Raverboy
09-25-09, 02:48
I would like to know how Hyatt is able to drive around on a 250 cc bike. Actually you’re not supposed to drive a bike bigger than 175 cc, the exception to the rule being military, civil workers that need bigger bikes and so on. As I converted my driving license to a Vietnamese one I got the A1 (bikes from 50 cc to 175 cc, under 50 cc you don’t need a driving license) and the B1 (cars) levels even if in my country I can drive whatever motorbike I want...

...BTW Can someone suggest a third party insurance company? How much does it cost?

Did you convert your home country license yourself or did someone do it for you? If you can 'drive whatever motorbike you want' in your home country, the conversion (if done properly and you have paid the 'right' fees to the 'right' person) would allow you to do the same in VN. This is based on a colleague's experience. I never had a motorbike license despite being licensed for motor vehicles since I was 17. My VN motorbike license is my first motorbike license - had to take a VNmese riding test, which is an experience unlike any other!

Insurance... if you're willing to risk riding in VN, I doubt this would be of any consideration... ;)

Lakeoffire1
09-25-09, 13:34
Did you convert your home country license yourself or did someone do it for you? If you can 'drive whatever motorbike you want' in your home country, the conversion (if done properly and you have paid the 'right' fees to the 'right' person) would allow you to do the same in VN.Not necessarily automatic, per example in France, you can drive a motorbike under 125cc after 2 years of car licence. however you won't get the stamps unless you ask for changing your licence (which is lifetime there). I had more than 2 years car licence which allow me to drive a bike in France but no stamps so i had to pass the driving test, which anyway is a masquerade!

Sea Mad
09-25-09, 14:11
did you convert your home country license yourself or did someone do it for you? if you can 'drive whatever motorbike you want' in your home country, the conversion (if done properly and you have paid the 'right' fees to the 'right' person) would allow you to do the same in vn. this is based on a colleague's experience. i never had a motorbike license despite being licensed for motor vehicles since i was 17. my vn motorbike license is my first motorbike license - had to take a vnmese riding test, which is an experience unlike any other!

insurance... if you're willing to risk riding in vn, i doubt this would be of any consideration... ;)i did it by myself following the instructions found here:

http://chao-vietnam.********.com/2007/10/drivers-licenses-easy-to-obtain-for.html

if you have all the proper documents (and i started to get my copy (notarized duplicate) of the original driver’s license in my country as it has to be notarized by the local vietnamese embassy) it’s not difficult.

paid vnd 30,000.

probably there are other ways to get the vietnamese driving license and by bribing enough it could be possible to obtain whatever license you want.

according to the australian embassy (http://www.vietnam.embassy.gov.au/hnoi/driving_in_vietnam.html)

“the penalties for driving offences should be clearly understood. for example, driving without a proper licence may involve severe penalties. experience has shown that such penalties might be as much as a three year jail sentence for driving unlicensed, up to ten years imprisonment for driving unlicensed and causing an accident, and up to twenty years imprisonment for driving unlicensed and causing an accident resulting in death. actual penalties are, of course, determined by the police and the courts.”

i have been driving in vietnam for almost two years without problems, but i strictly respect the traffic rules especially speed limits. in an giang they do check your speed and if you’re speeding you will not only be fined but your bike will be sized and kept for some time.
btw it seems that also in hcmc police is starting to be stricter on traffic violations…
http://chao-vietnam.********.com/2009/04/foreign-drivers-must-cooperate-with.html

the reason i’m looking for a third party insurance is that if you have a traffic accident here you’ll find yourself to be a walking atm. the amount you’re going to pay is settled by the police and they are not always fair to a foreigner (all foreigners are rich for vietnamese police), in cambodia i had an insurance you had to call immediately after the traffic accident: they will send an employee to do the bargaining, you weren’t supposed to open your mouth nor to pay.

it seems that the forum rules to not allow to link the site with the information about the driving license, so i will copy the content (to the moderator, please delete the following if the links are allowed).


driver’s licenses, easy to obtain for foreigners in vietnam
obtaining a driver’s license is now easier for foreigners

is it legal to ride a motorbike in vietnam with a four-wheel vehicle driver’s license from another country? how can foreigners acquire driving licenses here?

it’s relatively easy for tourists and expats to drive legally in vietnam.

vietnam is attracting more and more foreigners who come not only for tourism but also to live, study and work.

traffic congestion in the country’s cities is common, but that doesn’t stop many expatriates from driving themselves around. and as it turns out, obtaining a legal license to drive in vietnam is not very difficult at all.

“most foreigners who have a driver’s license issued in their home countries simply have to register for a license here,” says lam thanh trung, vice-chief of the agency for granting driving licenses (a sub-department of ho chi minh city’s service of transportation).

“the agency processes over 100 licenses for foreigners every month,” says trung.

“with the required documents, one can have their license registered within seven days.”

who can get a driver’s license in vietnam?

according to a 2006 mandate by the ministry of transportation, all foreigners can register for a license in vietnam if they had a valid one issued to them in their home countries.

each city or province’s department of transportation is in charge of granting driver’s licenses for foreigners with licenses issued in their home countries, tourists from neighboring countries driving their own cars in vietnam, and vietnamese who acquired a driving license abroad.

however, licenses are only granted to those who have valid travel visas for a period of at least three months in vietnam (though the actual length of the visit does not have to be that long).

“many tourists make the mistake that it’s legal to drive here with an international driver’s licence. but they also have to register,” trung says.

expiry dates and written exams

“the period for which a [registered] license remains valid is based on the expiry date of one’s original license from home,” says trung.

“standard driver’s licenses in vietnam are good for five years. motorbike licenses, on the other hand, have no expiry date.”

an important point to note, how-ever, is that the type of license issued in vietnam will only be equivalent to the type granted in one’s home country.

for instance, “a four-wheel driver’s license can-not be registered to ride a motorcycle,” trung stresses.

those who have a four-wheel license but want to ride a motorcycle will have to pass an exam on riding techniques, but won’t have to take a written exam on traffic laws.

to begin, a form requesting a license must be obtained (see below) and filled out by any one of the following: the vietnamese embassy, the consulate general, the representative office of international organization in vietnam, the ministry of foreign affairs, department of planning and investment or the general director of joint-venture and foreign-capital companies. a valid pass-port will also be required.

overseas vietnamese will need to have their documents completed by the committee for overseas vietnamese.

what’s required?

the following submissions are required for a foreigner to get a driver’s license in vietnam:

■ 1 petition (issued form) requesting driver’s license
■ 1 copy (notarized duplicate) of original driver’s license
■ 1 vietnamese-translated copy (notarized duplicate) of driver’s license
■ 1 copy (duplicate) of passport 3 passport-sized photos
■ original copies of passport and driver’s license must be shown when submitting all documents

forms to request a driver’s license can be obtained at the agency for granting driver’s licenses or sgtcc.hochiminhcity.gov.vn

in ho chi minh city, all documents must be submitted to the authorities for driver’s license registration, located at:
252 ly chinh thang street, district 3, 8 nguyen anh thu street, district 12.
open weekdays only.

the fee is vnd30,000 (us$2) for one license.



monday, april 13, 2009
foreign drivers must cooperate with traffic police

two men from cameroon were caught encroaching into auto lanes and had no driving licenses in district 3 in january

ho chi minh city police will not tolerate resistance from foreign drivers found flouting traffic rules without a driver’s license, a police official said.

the ho chi minh city police department set up a task force to oversee the observation of traffic regulations by foreigners late last month.

the move followed a crackdown on foreigners and overseas vietnamese caught breaking traffic regulations last december.

english-fluent traffic police have been dispatched mostly to district 1 to handle foreigner-related traffic infringements.

any violating foreign driver will have their bikes impounded if they cannot present a driver’s license, said lieutenant-colonel nguyen ngoc loan, head of the traffic police task force no.1 at the city police department.

foreign drivers who were uncooperative with traffic police would face additional fines of vnd1.5 million, loan said.

loan also said the city police department would consider printing traffic violation tickets in english to make it easier for foreign drivers to read and sign.

ho chi minh city traffic police deputy chief lieutenant-colonel tran thanh tra said the current fines for the owners of rented motorbikes were not enough of a deterrent.

owners of motorbikes rented by foreigners face fines of vnd100,000-200,000 ($5.90-11.80) if their customers break traffic regulations.

tra said the fines should be higher.

how to apply for a vietnamese driving license:

foreigners eligible for driving licenses in vietnam include those who have lived, worked or studied in vietnam for at least three months and have legitimate driving licenses granted by their home countries.

to apply for a vietnamese driving license foreigners need to submit the following documents:

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an application letter certified by their vietnamese employer or agency;
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a copy of their driving license from their home country and a vietnamese translation;
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a copy of their passport. those under diplomatic immunity must present an introduction letter from the ministry of foreign affairs; and
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three passport photos.

license applications, which should be processed within five days, can be made at hcmc department of transport offices at:

252 ly chinh thang, ward 9, district 3; 8 nguyen anh thu, trung my tay ward, district 12; or 111 tan son nhi, tan son nhi ward, tan phu district.

in hanoi, the documents can be submitted at the hanoi department of transport offices at:

16 cao ba quat, ba dinh district; or 2 phung hung street, ha dong town.

Hyatt
09-26-09, 10:12
I would like to know how Hyatt is able to drive around on a 250 cc bike. Actually you’re not supposed to drive a bike bigger than 175 cc, the exception to the rule being military, civil workers that need bigger bikes and so on. As I converted my driving license to a Vietnamese one I got the A1 (bikes from 50 cc to 175 cc, under 50 cc you don’t need a driving license) and the B1 (cars) levels even if in my country I can drive whatever motorbike I want.

I live in the province and I’m pretty sure that driving a big motorbike would mean to ask for troubles with the police, probably it’s different in HCMC or Hanoi.

Driving in Vietnam is quite better than driving in Cambodia where I lived three years, but it’s still dangerous for someone that is not accustomed to the Vietnamese way of driving. Driving outside the main cities you have to keep in mind that everything bigger than a motorbike takes precedence on you, prepare to give way. Take also care from whatever/whoever runs out from the house on the road sides, doga and kids being the most dangerous.

BTW Can someone suggest a third party insurance company? How much does it cost?Sea Mad,

Well, the rules say no one can drive more tha 175cc; bigger bikes are exclusively for police OR members of the police riding club (having a card there cost 6 000USD).

But look: I have tons of friends riding big dirt bikes like me (most of them 400c) and I see R1 or CBR riden by rich kids every Friday night downtown.

Actually the police never arrested me. First because they think I'm a rich foreigner, second because my bike is big, noisy and very high, and I'm also very tall. I can tell you it scares people out, even the policemen. Trust me.

I've been arrested once by the cops because. They wanted to look at my engine. I was a bit afraid, but just told them I like their bike and their uniforms and they were very happy. As I'm all the time riding the city, I think all those folks know me and have absolutely no interest in having trouble with me. So you're safe dude. If you're looking for a bike like mine or even bigger, just tell me: I know where to get, with papers and everything you need.

You do not need any driver licence or vietnamese wife to have it.

About my friends who ride small regular VN bikes. They get arrested all the time.

It's a matter of attitude man. Social status is everything on vietnam. Acting like a rich foreigner kid (even though I'm not) keeps me away from trouble with policemen, who are mostly young fellas from countryside not speaking one word of english and easy to impress.

Word

Hyatt
09-26-09, 10:16
I would like to know how Hyatt is able to drive around on a 250 cc bike. Actually you’re not supposed to drive a bike bigger than 175 cc, the exception to the rule being military, civil workers that need bigger bikes and so on. As I converted my driving license to a Vietnamese one I got the A1 (bikes from 50 cc to 175 cc, under 50 cc you don’t need a driving license) and the B1 (cars) levels even if in my country I can drive whatever motorbike I want.

I live in the province and I’m pretty sure that driving a big motorbike would mean to ask for troubles with the police, probably it’s different in HCMC or Hanoi.

Driving in Vietnam is quite better than driving in Cambodia where I lived three years, but it’s still dangerous for someone that is not accustomed to the Vietnamese way of driving. Driving outside the main cities you have to keep in mind that everything bigger than a motorbike takes precedence on you, prepare to give way. Take also care from whatever/whoever runs out from the house on the road sides, doga and kids being the most dangerous.

BTW Can someone suggest a third party insurance company? How much does it cost?Sea Mad,

Well, the rules say no one can drive more than 175cc; bigger bikes are exclusively for police OR members of the police riding club (having a card there cost 6 000USD), or civil workers who need it, like forrest guards. The licence for those is A2, and cost more than 3 000USD.

But look: i have tons of friends riding big dirt bikes like me (most of them 400c) and i see R1 or CBR riden by rich kids every friday night downtown.

Actually the police never annoyed me. First because they think I'm a rich foreigner, second because my bike is big, noisy and very high, and i'm also very tall - i can tell you it scares people out, even the policemen. Trust me. They don't wanna have to deal with you, it's so much easier to go get money from a local.

I've been arrested once by the cops because.... they wanted to look at my engine. I was a bit afraid, but just told them i like their bike and their uniforms and they were very happy. As i'm all the time riding the city, i think all those folks know me and have absolutely no interest in having trouble with me. So you're safe dude. If you're looking for a bike like mine or even bigger, just tell me: i know where to get, with papers and everything you need.

Nevertheless, I don't know about how easy is it in the provnces, mostly in the upper north. What I know is that if one day they try to stop me there... I wish they can ride faster than me, because I would never stop.

About my friends who ride small regular VN bikes... They get arrested all the time :-) 5USD here, 5USD there... ahah.

It's a matter of attitude man. Social status is everything on vietnam. Acting like a rich foreigner kid (even though i'm not) keeps me away from trouble with policemen, who are mostly young fellas from countryside not speaking one word of english and still easy to impress.

Word

El Vagabundo
09-26-09, 19:44
Sea Mad,

Great information on getting a licensee. It would be a real adventure, something very cool to do. I have time, so I may just go ahead and give it a try.

Wendella:

I was thinking of something like a Honda 200 enduro. I rented one like that in the Philippines several years ago and adventured all around Luzon. It was a very good bike.

Raverboy:

Having transportation gives you more freedom, especially on a motorcycle. I will for sure be cautious. I am well versed in how to deal with laws that seem to change based on the circumstances. The thing I like about living in Colombia is that what ever you have done, good or bad, it is all fixable with money.

Mik Hcmc:

I know what you mean. I live in Colombia and there are a million little motorcycles and scooters everywhere. They cut you off, drive the wrong way, over the sidewalk and are a pest. The are like flies and need to be swatted away.

Hyatt: I too am a true Motorcycle lover. I did Georgia, USA to Colombia earlier this year. I am planning riding from Colombia South in Feb or March. I would love to be able to ride Vietnam to Thailand. I am looking into what the options are. Perhaps you have some insight for me.

Thanks for the help.

AdHome01
09-26-09, 22:52
I'll be back in the city from Oct 3rd thru the 17th. If anyone wants to meet up, PM me.

Wendella
09-27-09, 06:51
It's a matter of attitude man. Social status is everything on vietnam. Acting like a rich foreigner kid (even though i'm not) keeps me away from trouble with policemen, who are mostly young fellas from countryside not speaking one word of english and still easy to impress.


I always got away whenever I was stopped by police -- almost always just let go after behaving nicely and playing along with it, apologizing, etc. Until this year. The ones who pulled me over this year would have none of it. They wouldn't even explain why I got pulled over. And they spoke English. They're trained, this new group, to not listen to us, and not negotiate. None of the usual tactics worked. They were taking me and my bike back to the station, there was no way anything else was goign to happen. Once there, they hold it for a month. You can go back, pay fines and pick it up a month later. No negotiation possible.

This is happening a LOT in HCMC these days, starting this year. They pull you over, and if you don't have your papers handy (license, ownership of the bike papers, insurance (thats what they said) and all of these originals), they take you in. I know someone who rents out lots of motorbikes to foreigners here, mostly teachers -- and they said this has happened to lots of their bikes this year. The effort kicked off around the start of 2009.

Hyatt
10-01-09, 16:01
atWendella

Aww man, I feel so sorry to hear that. I seriously wonder why they never stop me, I'm wondering if they're not a afraid a bit because the bike is big and I'm also kinda tall. But you scaring me dude. Is there anyway to recognize those killer cops? And do you remember where you've been stopped? (pigs usually hunt at the same places).

Anyway, about your bike, one thing you do need to know: what happens often is that they take you some parts there. And then replace those with Chinese craps. It depends what bike you have. A nice japanese one? You're in deep trouble bro. A Chinese/VN shit? You're safe.

Whatever happens, go to your favourite garage after they gave you back your bike and check everything is fine. Trust me, I have my insiders there, and I know how it works once they keep your bike.

Wendella
10-02-09, 05:10
hm. i don't see why cops would be afraid to pull you over.

can't tell if you're being sarcastic or straight about being scared. it's not that big a deal -- at worst your bike gets confirep001ed for a month and you have to pay a few hundred at the end of that to get it back. just rent another bike while you wait for it.

if you know chi's cafe in the backpacker district, ask chi how many of her rented bikes (she has dozens out) have been taken by the cops. it's harder to find out for big bikes just because they're much more rare. but i don't see why the cops would be intimidated by the bike size.

the cops who got me appeared out of nowhere on a busy street in d5. never saw them there again. i didn't see them staked out, just noticed when they drove up next to me. they were probably driving around.

anyway, i did get my bike back intact, and it's a real yamaha. i did hear that too, that the parts would get taken. and i stressed over that. but when i got it back, my parts weren't touched. there were some scratches on it from other bikes that must have been parked in too close, but that's all. otherwise it was fine. lucky? maybe.

Lakeoffire1
10-02-09, 13:14
Guys, if you stay here for long, the best is to pass the licence...just need motivation to get all the papers but then the driving test is feasible even by a 10yo kid.

Here you can find some information:

http://sgtvt.hochiminhcity.gov.vn/web/data/news/2008/3/4501/case2.htm

This case for car licence holder, if you have already the motorbike one inanother country, it's even easier. Only if you don't have a licence in another country, you're in the shit, cause then you need to pass the question exam and you need to speak vietnamese. Hard!

I did it and it took me 3 week to get my licence (inlcuding the convocation to exam and time to receive your licence), very easy.

Hope it helped and if you have any question don't hesitate to PM me.

Rokraida
10-06-09, 07:02
Do we have a thread for Beer Om and KTVs? It would be good to have a list of good places in Saigon.

If not, does anyone know of a good place with consistent girls (8s - 10s)? I remember going to one a few years back near An Dong market in District 5 but cant find it anymore.

MutantChicken
10-11-09, 06:08
The place is quite nice and the girls atractive and friendly however, whilst it wasnt a bad experience, id also say that it wasnt great as it wasnt value for money. Id suggest you go there if you don't have much game, can't speak the local language and plan to hook up with the girl later in the night for 100 us. But if thats not your intention then id say skip on the KTV experience.

I'm not sure how the other guys feel, but basically what I got from that night from the girls aspect was to cuddle and hug a girl for 3 hrs and joke and flirt around. I wasnt planning on any sexual activity anyway so I didn't even ask for a number. The girls are attractive, but not more so than girls I chat up in bars or coffee shops. The night cost us 2.5 mill for 5 people, the costs broke down to something like 12+ beers at 42keach, room charges and a girl charge. Which after talking to my local friend was a scam. We/I should have debated that extra charge but I was ignorant towards that so that was an extra 1.2 mill we could have avoided so you guys will have to sue me for it hahahah.

The girls we then tipped 300k, which again is slightly higher than normal. But if your try to sex her up I suppose you should agree, but maybe we need to be more assertive and say thats enough.

Further the mommy and the waiter was tipped 300k and 100k repsectively. Again from a locals point of view that is excessive. It would be more closer to 100k and 50k respectively. Keep in mind that if 300k was the normal price the mommy would be getting 1.5 mill on average a nite that 45 mill a month or 10x the average wage. Which is kinda ridiculas given she didn't even do any work or sat with us.

Again like said earlier on, if all I planned to do was chat and flirt with an attractve girl drink some beers. I can do that at a coffee shop and it would cost me 150k max. In a bar 300k max. In a KTV if you wanna hook up later and do some x rated groping then maybe it could justify the additional costs, or if you had little time and game. I couldn't be disprectful to the girl and grope her in public, maybe if I was by myself. I'll try a lower scale bia om and report the differences, I'll prob go with a local or go by myself

Thanks for reading and thats my 2 cents.

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Johndao
10-11-09, 18:25
The place is quite nice and the girls atractive and friendly however, whilst it wasn't a bad experience, id also say that it wasn't great as it wasn't value for money.
Thanks for the detailed report Chicken. It should be obvious to anyone that this kind of activity is a near total waste of time and money. Do you like to sing Karaoke? It boggles the mind to think of how much more effectively this kind of cash and time could be used, even at HBT, LTT, TVL girlie bars.
JD

Wendella
10-12-09, 08:21
Thanks for the detailed report Chicken. It should be obvious to anyone that this kind of activity is a near total waste of time and money. Do you like to sing Karaoke? It boggles the mind to think of how much more effectively this kind of cash and time could be used, even at HBT, LTT, TVL girlie bars.
JD

Not sure I'd say a total waste of time, not for everyone at least. For a guy who likes a girl a step up (does her hair, makeup, wears a sexy outfit, etc.) then this is one option. Yes the HBT bars are cheaper, but 1. those bar girls are a bit down the totem pole in terms of seediness and 2. in those bars it's mostly the same girls who've been there forever, so if you've toured all those bars and are on the lookout for new territory (ie you're sick of the HBT bars and looking for where the grass is greener, or at least a diff green), even if its more expensive, then this place might be a good option. If price is your priority, then it's not for you. If variety and seeing some fresh blood is your top priority, then it is. For some guys, atmosphere does matter, so the cheap spots are usually a turnoff for someone like that. Myself, I'm always willing to try both kinds. It doesn't bother me to spend a bit more to experience of a scene that's new and good. Once in awhile, I like to treat myself.

MC: how does it work there? They take you to the room... then what? How is it exactly you end up with the girl?

Spotted a bia om in downtown D1 the other day. Cao Ba Nha street. Didn't catch the street #. Confirmed by staff that that's what it is. This is that little street that runs parallel to Tran Hung Dao -- if you know the traffic circle at the ened of Cong Quynh near where ILA school is, head from there toward THD and you see this little side street just before THD on the right, Cao Ba Nha, and its down the far end of that street, on the right side, just before it ends. No idea what quality.

Johndao
10-12-09, 09:26
Not sure I'd say a total waste of time, not for everyone at least. For a guy who likes a girl a step up (does her hair, makeup, wears a sexy outfit, etc.) then this is one option. Yes the HBT bars are cheaper, but 1. those bar girls are a bit down the totem pole in terms of seediness and 2. in those bars it's mostly the same girls who've been there forever, so if you've toured all those bars and are on the lookout for new territory (ie you're sick of the HBT bars and looking for where the grass is greener, or at least a diff green), even if its more expensive, then this place might be a good option. If price is your priority, then it's not for you. If variety and seeing some fresh blood is your top priority, then it is. For some guys, atmosphere does matter, so the cheap spots are usually a turnoff for someone like that. Myself, I'm always willing to try both kinds. It doesn't bother me to spend a bit more to experience of a scene that's new and good. Once in awhile, I like to treat myself.
Some of what you write is true, but remember, there was NO SEX in this experience. They wasted all that time and money just to sit next to a girl. Great, if you love to sing. I don't. Does anyone here actually like Karaoke? W, I don't think we can compare sex experiences and non-sex experiences, apples and oranges, you know.
As far as hair, clothes, makeup, etc., those who think a prostitute charging more because she has red wavy hair, makeup, a sexy dress and high heels is worth more, that she is a 'step up' from a girl with natural, straight, black hair and no or little makeup, wearing jeans and t-shirt, then you deserve to pay for that. Oh, and if she can speak a bit of English, that's always good for another 500k.
So let's see, take your basic 200k short-time girl and add 1) English skills-500k; 2) reddish hair-100k; 3) waved or straightened hair-100k; 4) cheap high heels-100k or expensive high heels-250k; 5) sexy dress from Ng. Trai St.-100k or sexy clothes from Mango-250k; 6) Good makeup-100k or very good makeup which makes her look quite beautiful-250k.
Well, there you have it. Your basic Saigon wh*re with bells and whistles, accessories, all the add-ons (maybe an iPhone and a big moto) high-class look, a step-up girl--1.2 million.
For me, when she's naked and on her back, I really couldn't care less about what she was wearing before. Or how much makeup she has on. Of if her hair is wavy red or straight black. Or what phone or motorbike she rides. And frankly, I prefer if she can't speak any English. I'm just way past it, beyond marketing. I'm immune. I look right through them and see them for what they are, every time.
JD

Hardlock1
10-12-09, 15:25
Fellas, John is right, you know. I think it all comes down to basic Human Nature 101. It is an Asian thing to try to extract more money from any given situation. I am reminded of my stint of living in South Korea, where I lived for a year right across from a Mom&Pop little food store. Each day, or almost each day, my wife would send me over to get a loaf of Bread. Each day, I would ask "how much? " and the owner would tell me "one dollah". LOL We settled, every day, for 100 Won, which was the equivalent of a quarter. After a year was up and we were moving back to Seoul, I asked the shopkeeper why he did that, started me out at a dollar, without fail, each day. What he told me gave me great insight for my lifelong vocation, which happened to be Sales! To with, he said, "well, you never know when someone is having a weak day and will just say 'yes', and besides, if you don't ask, you don't get! "

Those of us who are stuck here in other places besides Vietnam, we read your reports with great glee and happiness, and envy you guys the whole time we are away. I am sure that all of us would trade places with you any day of the week, and be glad to have such problems. I have about 100 days before I get back there, and I am already beginning to squirm and miss sleep, wishing the day would just get here! However, in that same situation, I fear I have to agree with Johndao. First of all, when a provider acts like that toward me, I am outta there. Period. The only way I would give a tip in an instance like that, would be to avoid having to break some heads or kill some pimp. I would pay to avoid trouble, but only that. I'm sorry, but I have never believed in rewarding less than acceptable behavior.

By the way, I shall be there at the end of January, for TET, and anyone who wants me to buy them a drink, leave me a private message. Johndao, Sudsoz, Wendella, all you guys, just PM me and let me know. I look forward to it!

Wendella
10-13-09, 11:19
Some of what you write is true, but remember, ...

It's interesting that you're taking everything I mentioned and translating it into dollar amounts. I get that those things don't matter at all to you, but not everyone has the same taste you do. I'm not trying to attack your viewpoint, I'm just saying that for some people, the kinds of things that we're talking about (makeup, dress, hair done, clean modern looking place, etc.) do matter. For you they don't. OK. It takes all kinds. If those things do matter to a guy, well, it's not because he's insane or stupid, it's because that is what he likes, or what he's comfortable with. No need to put it down. I could put down that area up in Go Vap that some guys here like, because to me it doesn't quite cut it -- and I won't explain why exactly because I know some guys here like that and so I don't want to dump on the place and make them feel like I'm putting their taste down.

But I'll tell you, if the prices are not outrageous, I myself would be interested in a spot like Fortune. I think you must realize that many of the girls will meet after work, so it's not as clear cut as you just get to sing and drink. Do you know that? Maybe not, in which case I'd understand if you thought it was a total waste of money... but it's true. So its not quite correct to say that all you're paying for is singing. Fortune knows you're really after that phone number and are almost surely never coming back again, so they charge you all they can get this time. And they have customers paying it. It's not because they're stupid, it's because this is what they prefer. You're really paying for making the initial contact with the one you want, plus the luxury of having a nice big selection, a lineup that will almost surely include a few serious hotties. After that it's much cheaper because now you have the phone number and don't need to pay the inflated prices next time you want to meet her. That's how the game works in these kinds of places.

I guess my point is that the cheap places can be off-putting for some people, which includes me -- sometimes, not always. But if that was my only option, I wouldn't be thrilled. A place like Fortune does make me curious to go check out some time. Splurging once in awhile doesn't seem like such a big thing -- I wouldn't do it often, but try it once? Why not. I can afford to waste a million or so every now and then.

Sharka
10-14-09, 08:47
Sea Mad,

Well, the rules say no one can drive more than 175cc; bigger bikes are exclusively for police OR members of the police riding club


Can you clarify this a bit.
Does this 175cc limit mean:
1)you can't even ride a 200cc bike or larger even with a license or
2)175cc is the limit you can ride with or without a license


BTW: if I plan to arrive and rent a motobike (I don't have a bike license, just a regular drivers license from home), what is the biggest motobike I can rent out for a few days or do all motobikes regardless of size require a license?

Thanks

Raverboy
10-14-09, 09:13
...So let's see, take your basic 200k short-time girl and add 1) English skills-500k; 2) reddish hair-100k; 3) waved or straightened hair-100k; 4) cheap high heels-100k or expensive high heels-250k; 5) sexy dress from Ng. Trai St.-100k or sexy clothes from Mango-250k; 6) Good makeup-100k or very good makeup which makes her look quite beautiful-250k.
Well, there you have it. Your basic Saigon wh*re with bells and whistles, accessories, all the add-ons (maybe an iPhone and a big moto) high-class look, a step-up girl--1.2 million...

Good theory, except that the genuine Mango/BeBe tops cost significantly more than VND250k and that you forgot to factor in the USD800 for the iPhone that was a present from BF1 (viet kieu Oz) and the USD7000 for the Honda SH from BF2 (viet kieu US), that allows her to justify the USD100 she's asking for a f*ck. :D

Mik Hcmc
10-14-09, 09:40
Good theory, except that the genuine Mango/BeBe tops cost significantly more than VND250k and that you forgot to factor in the USD800 for the iPhone that was a present from BF1 (viet kieu Oz) and the USD7000 for the Honda SH from BF2 (viet kieu US), that allows her to justify the USD100 she's asking for a f*ck. :DShow me a local who actually buys the genuine article? I've seen construction workers decked out wearing A&F, D&G, Cavalli, Armani Jeans and more name's I've never even heard of but see on Fashion TV and there are Girls wearing the same. My wife has a overflowing closet full of designer lable clothes, all bought from 15-50k. Take a walk down a local market (Not Binh Tan) and you will see clothing piled ontop, hung out all with only the designer label nametags.

As for the iPhone is it a real one? Not a china made that are very popular here, The SH150i dosn't cost 7k anymore, the poor selling SH300i (I wanted to get but have lic issues) costs around 7-8k with the SH150i costing around 4.5k-5.5k if you know where to shop. These girls don't buy new bikes, Rather bikes that have had a few hundred Km's or 1-2000kms.

Sure there will be the odd girl who has a expensive "Luxury" bike, clothes, phone but these are more the exception than the rule, otherwise you will see all the bargirls riding around dressed in designer label clothing, riding ps/sh150i's with LV seat and matching contact paper covering the fairings while talking on their iPhones.

One of my wifes girlfriends works at one of the "Numbered bars" on HBT. She has a SH150i. I had a ride of it while she rode my PS150i. That thing was a piece of sh@t. Shocks worn out, brake pads on front worn to metal, rear drum brake needing adjusting, no power, oilchange light on, temp gauge off the scale. She ended up giving it to her husband. Not all is what it seems, A lot of it is just for show.

Like my wife says you have to look good when your riding around.

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Mik Hcmc
10-14-09, 09:43
Can you clarify this a bit.

Does this 175cc limit mean:

1) You can't even ride a 200cc bike or larger even with a license or

2) 175cc is the limit you can ride with or without a license

BTW: if I plan to arrive and rent a motobike (I don't have a bike license, just a regular drivers license from home), what is the biggest motobike I can rent out for a few days or do all motobikes regardless of size require a license?

Thankshttp://www.smartraveller.gov.au/zw-cgi/view/Advice/Vietnam"A valid Vietnamese driving license is required when operating vehicles in Vietnam, including motorcycles." Taken from the website.

175cc limit means the biggest engine capacity is 175cc. Not 180cc, 200cc,250cc,600cc,1100cc.....175cc is the biggest you can ride "Legally"

There is some confusion regarding VN Car lic. I have a car lic and a 175cc bike lic. Some people say if you have a car lic u can ride unlimited capacity motobike, others say you cannot. This all depends on who is telling you and if you want to believe them.

VN dosn't recognise international driving permits/lic, nor drivers lic from other countries.

Legally you can only ride a bike with engine capacity under 50cc without a lic, Google "Honda Chaly" That is what you can legally ride.

Illegally you can ride whatever you want...providing you have enough Uncle Ho's in your pocket to donate.

If you want to get a VN lic then you need to be getting your original one translated, signed, fill out new paperwork, pass medical, pass practical test, wait some more and finally collect the oversized poorly laminated lic.

Lakeoffire1
10-14-09, 16:23
Hey guys, is there some viet kieu or skilled person in vietnamese language to share the good address from this vietnamese website:

http://bacbaphi.com.vn/entertainment/showthread.php?t=44967&page=4

I know that they discuss about some massage places, quite cheap but don't understand all their vocabulary, out of the basic words. If someone understand something, please share the hot spot with us.

Thanks a lot

Johndao
10-14-09, 17:26
Good theory, except that the genuine Mango/BeBe tops cost significantly more than VND250k and that you forgot to factor in the USD800 for the iPhone that was a present from BF1 (viet kieu Oz) and the USD7000 for the Honda SH from BF2 (viet kieu US), that allows her to justify the USD100 she's asking for a f*ck. :DHey Raver,
What I meant was not that the Mango top costs 250K but that 250k is the additional price you will pay for her BECAUSE she shops at Mango in addition to all the other things I mentioned.

To Wendella and some others, I guess I should say what I really mean, and that is that like so many things in life, but especially here in HCMC, you don't always get what you pay for. If I could guarantee quality for money in a girl, her looks, shape, attitude, skills, I would not hesitate to pay for it. But often the better they fix themselves up, the more they charge, the less they perform (exceptions of course). I have found NO connection between the amount I pay a girl and how satisfied I am after, none at all. I have known girls who think it is literally a privilege to be in their company and that my cum should magically fly out of my dick merely by being in proximity to them. Give me quality for money, I'll pay. But here it is random, hit or miss with lots more misses than hits.

To use some non-P4P examples, next time you are Parkson have a good look at some of the men's dress shirts they sell with unknown Euro sounding branding. Check out the prices, easy to find some for 1.2m, 1.8m, even 2m and over. Then check out the cotton and look at the stitching, especially around the pockets and sleeve ends. It's just a joke at those prices. And the pretentious restaurants where all the attention was paid to design and ambiance and high prices with little to food quality. The best restaurants are far from the priciest ones. 'On the Six' anyone? This place is just full of pretend and pretense, selling to some of the world's most unworldly and unknowledgeable people, albeit many of them loaded with cash. Fake XO on the rocks with Coke anyone? Only 2.5m Dong per bottle, very cheap for you I think. . .
JD

Onigaijan
10-14-09, 17:37
So I had a it too much to drink tonight and learned the hard way, the monger's #1 rule: If it's too good to be true it probably is.

Was drinking in D1 when a chickie approached me on a bike and offered me a "massa" and boom boom, only 300, 000 VND. Had a few too many to drink so I agreed and hopped on her motorbike. My first indication should have come when we were driving well outside the D1 area across a bridge. Well out of my usual territory.

Anyway, get there and as promised a beautiful girl comes in and takes me into her room. She tells me to undress and starts to massage my back. Turns off the lights and gets down to it. At about this time I can hear something moving across the bed and immediately reach to check my wallet, at which point the girl starts full on kissing me. I push her off and check my wallet which has magically appeared next to me from my pocket. I check it and of course money is missing. Fortunately I'm not stupid and only had a million dong in there to begin with. I ask about it but the girl knows nothing (Don't they always? ).

At this point I could have made a scene but I'm in a place I haven't been before and I'm by myself so I figure, "Good on them, they got me. Be more careful next time."

Honestly, it wouldn't have been a big problem if she'd kept going 'cause she was easily a 8 or 9 (aren't they always in a scam? ). The real crime was after that I got a bait and switch where the cute girl leaves and this ugly chick replaces her.

Again, it's fine. I fell victim to the scam, I accept that, just let me blow my load and be off. Chick starts sucking for 1-2 minutes more then I get the "police, police" routine. Get my clothes basically thrown on me and then the chick takes me on her motorbike supposedly back to D1. THIS is the part that pisses me off: She just dropped me off in the middle of fucking nowhere! I mean, c'mon, you just took me for 1 million dong, at the very least you could drop me off where you found me. Whatever. She stops the bike, is very insistent which I do (again, don't know who is around that might be watching), and drives off.

I understand that I was the victim of the scam and I only have myself to blame for that. That's fine. At the very least she could have dropped me back where she got me. Fortunately I only lived like 20 minutes away from where they took me. Still, it was a big learning lesson for me.

Anyway, just to give you guys a heads up in the future; Be wary of the too good a deal lest you find yourself walking home in the rain LOL.

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Mik Hcmc
10-15-09, 06:48
Hey guys, is there some viet kieu or skilled person in vietnamese language to share the good address from this vietnamese website:

http://bacbaphi.com.vn/entertainment/showthread.php?t=44967&page=4

I know that they discuss about some massage places, quite cheap but don't understand all their vocabulary, out of the basic words. If someone understand something, please share the hot spot with us.

Thanks a lothttp://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http://bacbaphi.com.vn/entertainment/showthread.php%3Ft%3D44967%26page%3D4&sl=vi&tl=en&history_state0=

use google translate. That list of MP's is about as old as the motobikes u see delivering ice and water bottles.

I've seen it on numerous forums, all cut and paste.

Sharka
10-15-09, 08:52
[url]http://www.smartraveller.gov.au/zw-cgi/view/Advice/Vietnam[/url
Legally you can only ride a bike with engine capacity under 50cc without a lic, Google "Honda Chaly" That is what you can legally ride.

Illegally you can ride whatever you want...providing you have enough Uncle Ho's in your pocket to donate.

.


50cc????? that's more like a bicycle attach to a small motor.
So if I decide to rent anything in Vietnam without a proper Viet license then the best I could do is either a plain bicycle or a bike with a little motor.--Sad, so sad.
So what are the chances of avoiding police fines and hassle for renting a motorbike a little bit bigger (say 100cc?) or should I just stick to a lowly 50cc to avoid any problems.

Shark

Milkweed
10-15-09, 11:08
I'm tired of reading about motorbikes. Unless there is a girl on the bike.

I was driving on Ng. Chi Thanh in D5 one night this week. Saw a very cute girl on the back of a motorbike. She was smiling at me. Got my attention. Maybe her friend was driving. The MaryAnn to her Ginger. They said hotel, boom boom and i said sure. We were heading to the hotel when the cute girl signals to me with 5 fingers. 500,000. Seemed high to me. So I made a face and signaled back 200,000. And then they disappeared. Surprised me. I thought that they would haggle. Maybe settle for 300,000. I was disappointed. The girl was the hottest I've seen. Oh well.

Johndao
10-15-09, 11:08
50cc????? that's more like a bicycle attach to a small motor.
so if i decide to rent anything in vietnam without a proper viet license then the best i could do is either a plain bicycle or a bike with a little motor.--sad, so sad.
so what are the chances of avoiding police fines and hassle for renting a motorbike a little bit bigger (say 100cc?) or should i just stick to a lowly 50cc to avoid any problems.shark
i would say that if you rent a mb in the 100cc, 110cc, 125cc range and you ride with traffic at reasonable speeds and don't break any of the technical traffic rules at intersections, one-ways, etc., that in a year of driving every day in the city, you may be randomly stopped by the police on average once every 2.5 years.
jd

Macheath
10-15-09, 14:17
I'm tired of reading about motorbikes. Unless there is a girl on the bike.

I was driving on Ng. Chi Thanh in D5 one night this week. Saw a very cute girl on the back of a motorbike. She was smiling at me. Got my attention. Maybe her friend was driving. The MaryAnn to her Ginger. They said hotel, boom boom and i said sure. We were heading to the hotel when the cute girl signals to me with 5 fingers. 500,000. Seemed high to me. So I made a face and signaled back 200,000. And then they disappeared. Surprised me. I thought that they would haggle. Maybe settle for 300,000. I was disappointed. The girl was the hottest I've seen. Oh well.

Milkweed, so you've been here for a while and had a few experiences - almost got ripped off by a ladyboy as I recall - and you still think you can get a genuine motorbike girl for 2 or 300,000.

Those asking for 500,000 in that area aren't likely to rip you off, so you pass up having an experience with "the hottest I've seen" for the difference between what she was asking and what you were prepared to pay, ie 200,000. This is her real price, ie the price of the upgrade. I wonder how many people apply these spending principles to their other shopping; eg do I buy a shirt I don't like for $10 less than the one that I really like (best I've seen), do I buy that bruised avocado or banana for 20% less than the tasty looking one, do I use that cheap supermarket deodorant that really stinks because its cheaper - etc

Mik Hcmc
10-15-09, 15:21
50cc????? that's more like a bicycle attach to a small motor.
So if I decide to rent anything in Vietnam without a proper Viet license then the best I could do is either a plain bicycle or a bike with a little motor.--Sad, so sad.
So what are the chances of avoiding police fines and hassle for renting a motorbike a little bit bigger (say 100cc?) or should I just stick to a lowly 50cc to avoid any problems.

Shark

Electric bikes are going to need a bike licence to ride soon, along with helmet.
Get a Wave, dream, jupiter type bike, they are the most popular ie cheap bikes around. Go with the flow and learn to recognise the boys in beige. I've only been pulled over 2 times in 2yrs. first time with the miss's and her sister. 3up on a bike is a nono. 2nd time was by a trainee cop dressed in green. He tried to extort usd$50 out of me, I responded by laughing at him, grabbing his name badge and reading it out loud. He responded by covering up his name badge and waving me on. Since I got my lic the police dont even look at me anymore....

Milkweed
10-16-09, 03:33
Milkweed, so you've been here for a while and had a few experiences - almost got ripped off by a ladyboy as I recall - and you still think you can get a genuine motorbike girl for 2 or 300,000.



I do think that. I have had them for 2 or 300k. Never paid more than 300k. Other guys on this forum have too. I think it is the going rate. You have a different experience?

I can go to a hot toc and get a fantastic bj while groping the girl any way I want for a total of 200,000. So I don't want to pay 500k for someone that may or may not give good service. Plus another 50k for the hotel (I wonder if you pay more?). That 550k is almost equal to the cost of 3 hot toc visits. And my experience with the hot toc is that it provides better service than motorbike girls.

I think a better analogy would be paying 500,000 for a pair of jeans when if you bothered to haggle you could pay half. The jeans are the same either way.

Wendella
10-16-09, 06:00
To Wendella and some others, I guess I should say what I really mean, and that is that like so many things in life, but especially here in HCMC, you don't always get what you pay for. If I could guarantee quality for money in a girl, her looks, shape, attitude, skills, I would not hesitate to pay for it. But often the better they fix themselves up, the more they charge, the less they perform (exceptions of course). I have found NO connection between the amount I pay a girl and how satisfied I am after, none at all. I have known girls who think it is literally a privilege to be in their company and that my cum should magically fly out of my dick merely by being in proximity to them. Give me quality for money, I'll pay. But here it is random, hit or miss with lots more misses than hits.


The aspect of this you don't seem to consider, well... first you don't seem to be able to consider that different people have different taste -- it seems like you see it in terms of absolutes, black and white, like you think your opinion is correct and any other view is just flat wrong. It's not that simple. I sometimes like to check out slicker places like Catwalk or 16, even if they are far more expensive. I can afford it. Why not. The advantage those places have is atmosphere and that the girls as a whole look better. I'm not just talking makeup and hair. If you go out and take the 1st 20 girls you find on Ng Chi Thanh or in hot tocs, and then go take the 1st 20 you find at Catwalk, obviously you're going to see a clear difference in looks, not to mention hygeine, quality of dress, etc. I'm sorry but Catwalk wins that one easily. The ones at Catwalk will be taller, slimmer, prettier and have nicer bodies. You probably wouldn't find even one girl from Ng Chi Thanh who looked better than one single girl at Catwalk. You also see a really big step up in atmosphere of the place itself (compare then to a cheap cafe om or hot toc). If I'm in a place that's looks grimy, that does turn me off. Makes me uncomfortable. For people who don't feel that way, or don't care much to go for girls that are especially hot, if you only care about the effort they make (or think "can't see their faces with the lights off anyway") and are also willing to write off the kinds of fiascos you experience fairly often with those cheap types (see Onigaijan post below, or many more like it up here, almost always with the cheapest girls), ok then hot tocs and motorbike girls are fine, and yes a lot cheaper. Myself, I don't want to restrict myself to those places, or as a rule exclude girls who dress well, wear nice makeup, look clean, and maybe, yes, even charge more. In my experience, cheaper does not correlate strongly to better service. The worst ones of all are the ones from the lowest price range (in general, but with exceptions)-- such as the story below. That kind of thing would not happen with a girl from a HBT bar, for example, or from a girl at Catwalk, or other pricey venues. It happens commonly for that type of girl though, the type he went after.

Raverboy
10-16-09, 09:03
...To use some non-P4P examples, next time you are Parkson have a good look at some of the men's dress shirts they sell with unknown Euro sounding branding. Check out the prices, easy to find some for 1.2m, 1.8m, even 2m and over. Then check out the cotton and look at the stitching, especially around the pockets and sleeve ends. It's just a joke at those prices...

I hear you on that one. I hardly shop for dress shirts in VN, preferring to do so in my home country instead. The locally-made shirts are just awful when it comes to the detailing - collars, breast pockets, cuffs. An Phuoc is about the only locally-made label I'd ever buy from but the last time I did it was only because I needed a new one last minute!

Macheath
10-16-09, 10:30
I do think that. I have had them for 2 or 300k. Never paid more than 300k. Other guys on this forum have too. I think it is the going rate. You have a different experience?

I can go to a hot toc and get a fantastic bj while groping the girl any way I want for a total of 200,000. So I don't want to pay 500k for someone that may or may not give good service. Plus another 50k for the hotel (I wonder if you pay more?). That 550k is almost equal to the cost of 3 hot toc visits. And my experience with the hot toc is that it provides better service than motorbike girls.

I think a better analogy would be paying 500,000 for a pair of jeans when if you bothered to haggle you could pay half. The jeans are the same either way.

Milkweed, please take a second and try to understand my simple point. The jeans (girls) are not the same. If I understand you correctly you passed up "the hottest I've seen" for the sake of an extra 200k. Now maybe you're exaggerating, but if you've been here a while "the hottest I've seen" is pretty hot.

So you've maybe missed a quality experience to instead have a quantity experience with 2 plainer girls. Plus you've insulted her and she thinks you're a cheapskate.

I also don't share this obsession with service standards. If a girl is undesirable then I'm not going to enjoy being with her no matter how enthusiastic she is. As for the beautiful girls with tickets on themselves who think that we should feel priviliged to be in their company - well maybe I and some others can see their point.

Raverboy
10-17-09, 06:12
The aspect of this you don't seem to consider, well... first you don't seem to be able to consider that different people have different taste -- it seems like you see it in terms of absolutes, black and white, like you think your opinion is correct and any other view is just flat wrong. It's not that simple. I sometimes like to check out slicker places like Catwalk or 16, even if they are far more expensive. I can afford it. Why not...


...I can go to a hot toc and get a fantastic bj while groping the girl any way I want for a total of 200,000. So I don't want to pay 500k for someone that may or may not give good service. Plus another 50k for the hotel (I wonder if you pay more?). That 550k is almost equal to the cost of 3 hot toc visits. And my experience with the hot toc is that it provides better service than motorbike girls...


...To Wendella and some others, I guess I should say what I really mean, and that is that like so many things in life, but especially here in HCMC, you don't always get what you pay for...

Gentlemen,

Interesting topic here but before this discussion spirals out of control, allow me to share my simple albeit crude theory on this. Let's call it Raverboy's Basic P4P Economic Theory, which states:

The 'market' rate for P4P in a particular city/country/region should be a function of the average income/salary for that particular city/country/region, expatriate salaries excluded.

Allow me to demonstrate examples based on my past experience and estimates:

Average income in the US: USD 45,000 / year = USD 3,750 / month
Average ST FS outcall (say 1 hr): USD 250
P4P Index (P4PI) = 250/3750 = 0.067 or 6.7%

Average income in Singapore: SGD 2,500 / month
Average ST in Geylang (non-brothel Thai FL): SGD 50
P4P Index (P4PI) = 50/3000 = 0.02 or 2.0%

Average income in Thailand: THB 12,000 / month
Average ST from a Sukhumvit SW: THB 1000
P4P Index (P4PI) = 1000/12000 = 0.083 or 8.3%

Average income in Indonesia: IDR 1,500,000 / month
Average ST from a Kota Brothel WL: IDR 250,000
P4P Index (P4PI) = 250000/1500000 = 0.167 or 16.7%

Average income in Vietnam: VND 2,500,000 / month
Average ST with a motobike girl in D5: VND 200,000
P4P Index (P4PI) = 200000/2500000 = 0.08 or 8.0%

Surprising, huh? So perhaps we're overpaying in Thailand and Vietnam, but then again with most of us being expatriate foreigners and all... a ST for us is far far less than the 8% of income for the average Thai or average Viet. We don't feel what the above results would lead us to believe... but IMHO interesting to look at it this way nevertheless.

Either that, or I'd try my damndest at getting an expatriate package to live in Singapore!

Gagoo
10-23-09, 16:01
Me and and friend have been to Phnom Pehn a couple times but we have never been to Vietnam before, he is Canadian and I am American.

In December we want to go from Bangkok to Phnom Pehn about 5 days, then fly to HMC, also know as Saigon. He is sometimes picky about not wanting to take a bus though.

All the flights from Cambodia to Vietnam were expensive, more than $400 USD.
Any flight recommendations? I can fly from Bangkok to Phnom Pehn for about $80 USD one way. Not much more to fly from Bangkok to HMC.
But Phnom Pehn to HMC is a ridicoulous price. After my trip in Asia I need to take a one way flight to the US. So I was going to fly from HMC to the US because it was cheap.

Can you guys give me some travel advice to go from Phnom Pehn to Saigon?
I'll ask on the Cambodia forum too.

Thanks

Traveler1234
10-23-09, 16:58
Gentlemen,

Interesting topic here but before this discussion spirals out of control, allow me to share my simple albeit crude theory on this. Let's call it Raverboy's Basic P4P Economic Theory, which states:

The 'market' rate for P4P in a particular city/country/region should be a function of the average income/salary for that particular city/country/region, expatriate salaries excluded.


Nice concept and theory but some of your data is wrong. Locals don't pay what you quoted in LOS, Jkt or Vn......if you're going to use local salaries, use what is charged for local ST.

Phantomtiger2
10-24-09, 18:38
Me and and friend have been to Phnom Pehn a couple times but we have never been to Vietnam before, he is Canadian and I am American.

In December we want to go from Bangkok to Phnom Pehn about 5 days, then fly to HMC, also know as Saigon. He is sometimes picky about not wanting to take a bus though.

All the flights from Cambodia to Vietnam were expensive, more than $400 USD.
Any flight recommendations? I can fly from Bangkok to Phnom Pehn for about $80 USD one way. Not much more to fly from Bangkok to HMC.
But Phnom Pehn to HMC is a ridicoulous price. After my trip in Asia I need to take a one way flight to the US. So I was going to fly from HMC to the US because it was cheap.

Can you guys give me some travel advice to go from Phnom Pehn to Saigon?
I'll ask on the Cambodia forum too.

Thanks
For the price and service, take the bus. There are 5 bus companies in PP that charges $10-15 for a 6hr ride in a decent bus on a decent 1 lane highway. Best to book a bus leaving 8am from PP so your arrival will be about 2pm or so (depending on traffic) in HCMC. and best to book a day ahead so you could pick a seat further up front and away from the rear bathroom.

Some of the bus companies will even pick your asses up from your hotel for free so like I said, can't beat the service. I often use Capitol tours buses and never had a problem with pick up from my hotel for $10 all in. The $15 bus will be newer with DVD movies on board (but often in foreign lang) and snacks served, but even the $10 buses all have bathrooms on board.

BTW: you left out two important cost. If you flew out of PP, there is an additional airport departure tax and you also have to pay taxi from your hotel to the airport. Taking the bus will avoid these two additional cost. And just the cost of the taxi to PP airport will almost get you to HCMC by bus. and saving on the airport departure tax will pay for most of the Vietnam visa cost--IMO

PT

Raverboy
10-24-09, 20:40
Nice concept and theory but some of your data is wrong. Locals don't pay what you quoted in LOS, Jkt or Vn......if you're going to use local salaries, use what is charged for local ST.

Thanks. I doubt for VN the 'local ST' rate is unlikely to be much less. As for LOS and JKT, assuming halving the ST rate for simplicity would put the P4PI at around 4% and 8% respectively. Still surprising, given the results for Singapore.

Traveler1234
10-25-09, 01:37
Thanks. I doubt for VN the 'local ST' rate is unlikely to be much less. As for LOS and JKT, assuming halving the ST rate for simplicity would put the P4PI at around 4% and 8% respectively. Still surprising, given the results for Singapore.


Actually, in Jkt locals can get easily for 30K; not sure about Vn or LOS

Ah Hup
10-27-09, 09:52
Hi,

I will be heading over to the Vietnam in December for one week. I'll be spending my X'mas over there. Right now I've yet to book my hotel.

Any recommendation of GF hotels?

Also is it easy to hook up a girl LT in Vietnam (HCM) where she can accompany me for the whole of my stay over there? Which means she will follow me wherever I go.. sightseeing... etc. and back to hotel for sex.

Where should I head to find a girl right after dumping my luggage at the hotel and then we'll proceed for dinner and countdown X'mas at night together.

Thats all for now!

Thanks!

OzzieSuds
10-27-09, 21:15
Hi,

I will be heading over to the Vietnam in December for one week. I'll be spending my X'mas over there. Right now I've yet to book my hotel.

Any recommendation of GF hotels?

Also is it easy to hook up a girl LT in Vietnam (HCM) where she can accompany me for the whole of my stay over there? Which means she will follow me wherever I go.. sightseeing... etc. and back to hotel for sex.

Where should I head to find a girl right after dumping my luggage at the hotel and then we'll proceed for dinner and countdown X'mas at night together.

Thats all for now!

Thanks!There is info about GF hotels in the hotel thread - you might have to go back a bit and read carefullyas it is not obvious.

As for immediate pickup I doubt if you will find a regular freebie so fast. I would suggest going to the bars and asking for the newest gals. You are likely to find one that has just started work due to financial pressure and does not really want to be there.

Gagoo
10-28-09, 16:55
For the price and service, take the bus. There are 5 bus companies in PP that charges $10-15 for a 6hr ride in a decent bus on a decent 1 lane highway. Best to book a bus leaving 8am from PP so your arrival will be about 2pm or so (depending on traffic) in HCMC. and best to book a day ahead so you could pick a seat further up front and away from the rear bathroom.

Some of the bus companies will even pick your asses up from your hotel for free so like I said, can't beat the service. I often use Capitol tours buses and never had a problem with pick up from my hotel for $10 all in. The $15 bus will be newer with DVD movies on board (but often in foreign lang) and snacks served, but even the $10 buses all have bathrooms on board.

BTW: you left out two important cost. If you flew out of PP, there is an additional airport departure tax and you also have to pay taxi from your hotel to the airport. Taking the bus will avoid these two additional cost. And just the cost of the taxi to PP airport will almost get you to HCMC by bus. and saving on the airport departure tax will pay for most of the Vietnam visa cost--IMO

PTThanks for the info PT. I'm American and my friend Canadian, will a visa obtained in Thailand or Cambodia be good for travel overland?

Seems like there are rip offs and scams going from Thailand to Cambodia, but I didn't read anything about scams on the Vietnam border.

Snake304
10-28-09, 18:13
Hey, I went to HCMC during 2002 and know that I paid for st for only 10 dollars canadian, but I don't think prices went up that badly, yet I'm worried because I have a budget. Anyways, I'm going to viet-nam next week and will try to update everyone here on some places I go to. Also, if any fellow mongers want to meet up, I'll try to make a membership so you can pm me. I'm Canadian Chinese. Bye

Member #2234
10-30-09, 01:17
Hey, I went to HCMC during 2002 and know that I paid for st for only 10 dollars canadian, but I don't think prices went up that badly, yet I'm worried because I have a budget. Anyways, I'm going to viet-nam next week and will try to update everyone here on some places I go to. Also, if any fellow mongers want to meet up, I'll try to make a membership so you can pm me. I'm Canadian Chinese. Bye

Hey m8, tried to PM you but you have switched the feature off.

British Hong Kong Chinese living in Sai Gon here (what a mouthful lol!)

Would love to meet up with you

PM me

Wendella
10-30-09, 05:15
Hey m8, tried to PM you but you have switched the feature off.

British Hong Kong Chinese living in Sai Gon here (what a mouthful lol!)

Would love to meet up with you

PM me

99% of the time (that's a guess, btw) when the PM feature isn't 'turned on' it's because the member isn't a paying one. You can get an account here for free but with no private messaging allowed. So it's not possible to contact someone with a free account other than posting on the board. ISG doesn't allow email addresses or phone numbers to be posted on the forum.

MutantChicken
11-01-09, 13:24
'John I remember you asking about whether a full sex 'brothel' operated in saigon like it does in hanoi. Well the answer is yes. Through research of other sources I have discovered one. And the cost is 600k and is near the airport aerea. Futher I have discovered a new hot to that give you a hair wash, massage and a BJ for a TOTL cost of 150k. The girls are 6-7/10 similar to the girls of dinh binh lo. Though at dbl it possible to find 8's. I won't be posting the address as given my reports of damsen caphe oms. It was again corrupted by overpaying newbies. I can provide details if you wanna contact me somehow and after I have vetted you. Those who are interested.

Dawg415
11-07-09, 14:39
'John I remember you asking about whether a full sex 'brothel' operated in saigon like it does in hanoi. Well the answer is yes. Through research of other sources I have discovered one. And the cost is 600k and is near the airport aerea. Futher I have discovered a new hot to that give you a hair wash, massage and a BJ for a TOTL cost of 150k. The girls are 6-7/10 similar to the girls of dinh binh lo. Though at dbl it possible to find 8's. I won't be posting the address as given my reports of damsen caphe oms. It was again corrupted by overpaying newbies. I can provide details if you wanna contact me somehow and after I have vetted you. Those who are interested.I got a friend visiting here and would really like to take him to this place. I've lived her for one year and have used this board for anywhere I travel. not sure what you mean by Vetting, but you can contact me and ask me any questions. I'm not a newbie at all.

El Vagabundo
11-07-09, 15:30
I will be making my first visit to Vietnam in December. Getting into HCMC at 11:00pm on the 11th. No firm plan beyond that. Can anyone recommend a good hotel, in the $50.00 a night range for the first 2 or 3 nights? Clean, comfort, safety and location is the #1 need. I do not need it to be GF as I have 6 weeks and will be going to Thailand and Philippines too. I am mostly interested in checking out Saigon and the country. Hopefully I will be able to rent a motorcycle and travel north for a week or so.

I checked on Rooms In Asia and they have Windsor Plaza, 5* at $86 a night, Elos 3* (233 Pham Ngu Lao St., Dist 1) for $46 a night. They both had good reviews; however I know nothing about anything.

Any advice, any help?

Thanks, Martin

Wendella
11-08-09, 08:02
I will be making my first visit to Vietnam in December. Getting into HCMC at 11:00pm on the 11th. No firm plan beyond that. Can anyone recommend a good hotel, in the $50.00 a night range for the first 2 or 3 nights? Clean, comfort, safety and location is the #1 need. I do not need it to be GF as I have 6 weeks and will be going to Thailand and Philippines too. I am mostly interested in checking out Saigon and the country. Hopefully I will be able to rent a motorcycle and travel north for a week or so.

I checked on Rooms In Asia and they have Windsor Plaza, 5* at $86 a night, Elos 3* (233 Pham Ngu Lao St., Dist 1) for $46 a night. They both had good reviews; however I know nothing about anything.

Any advice, any help?

Thanks, Martin

Go check out the Hotels thread: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2660

Wendella
11-08-09, 08:06
I got a friend visiting here and would really like to take him to this place. I've lived her for one year and have used this board for anywhere I travel. not sure what you mean by Vetting, but you can contact me and ask me any questions. I'm not a newbie at all.By "vetting", I think he means he wants to make sure you're cool and won't throw money around and ruin the price structure. By "contact me" he meant that you should send him a private message to get the info you're after.

MutantChicken
11-08-09, 17:54
By "vetting", I think he means he wants to make sure you're cool and won't throw money around and ruin the price structure. By "contact me" he meant that you should send him a private message to get the info you're after.Hahah thanks man I was gonna suggest that I'm a vet and I'm gonna nuter him first. Sometimes you have to explain the simplest things. Basically I don't wanna be giving out info to idiots who can't follw guidelines go there and bring unwanted police attention by starting a fight over somethink like the girls didn't offer BBBJ like promised etc or they start overpaying because they can't follow the price structure. Like my damsen report.

Apple Banana
11-20-09, 10:37
I've been looking at other forums and wondering if anyone here finds them useful. Here's one that I think people would: anchoi.com

It's all in vnese though. My vnese is pretty shitty so it's for me to fully understand everything.

Anyone with references to other places to go?

Carl Raze
11-25-09, 08:52
Don't know if anyone else here enjoys it but I was curious if anyone has found a girl who will lick ass (toss your salad)? There is a massage place in Thu Duc where the girl did this but she was one of the ugliest massage girls I've seen in a while. I heard from an ex-patriot that this place in Thu Duc was the place to go and maybe I just got stuck with the ugly girl b/c I'm the foreigner. I saw some other girls and they were decent looking not wonderful but I believe almost all are known for the tongue bath and some toss salad. Anyway, I'd be open to another massage parlor, hot toc, cafe om or beer om where they do this. Any recommendations?

The place I visited was Thanh Nghia on Kha Van Can in Thu Duc - it's a bit far away.

Carl Raze
11-26-09, 10:41
Next time, you guy should try the street call Nguyen Phi Khanh, one way street begin from Dinh Tien Hoang. Vo Thi Sau intersection. It's "haircut" heaven!

So what kind of services we get in there? BBBJ!

Ticket cost VND 70K (used to be 60K) for 1 hour!

Tips: same as ticket! But as you all might aware, they will certainly nag you for more in USD. But please, don't pay more than what you should or they will turn nasty with Viet guy. They will accept it if you can show them that you know it well.Is this still accurate? How much should someone tip on NPK street? I usually tip 100k at other places. Hope to receive BBBJ CIM, worry 70k will [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off the girl - want to be sure when I return I get decent service.

Dawg415, what did you leave as a tip?

Milkweed
11-27-09, 01:10
Is this still accurate? How much should someone tip on NPK street? I usually tip 100k at other places. Hope to receive BBBJ CIM, worry 70k will [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off the girl - want to be sure when I return I get decent service.

Dawg415, what did you leave as a tip?

My experience here...

BJ 100k ticket + 100k tip
HJ 80k ticket + 100k tip

If they think you are a tourist they will probably ask for more.

Rokraida
11-27-09, 06:04
Is this still accurate? How much should someone tip on NPK street? I usually tip 100k at other places. Hope to receive BBBJ CIM, worry 70k will [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off the girl - want to be sure when I return I get decent service.

Dawg415, what did you leave as a tip?A lot of the hot tocs on NPK have shut down and there are now 2 or 3 left. They have however, been replaced by a lot of 'nha hang' bia om places.

Dawg415
11-27-09, 16:34
Is this still accurate? How much should someone tip on NPK street? I usually tip 100k at other places. Hope to receive BBBJ CIM, worry 70k will [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off the girl. Want to be sure when I return I get decent service.

Dawg415, what did you leave as a tip?I usually leave 100K as a tip on NPK, it's got a bit cheaper for me over the year since the exchange rate for the USD got better. They always nag me for more with sad puppy eyes.

Milkweed
11-28-09, 03:19
i read about this place on another forum. it's not far from the airport, so maybe it is the same place that mutant chicken wrote about. it is one of the more discreet looking hot tocs that i have seen. when i first saw it i wondered if they were open. i pulled up on my motorbike and i saw a pretty face peer out from behind a curtain. walked in and sat down in one of the chairs. no line up offered - i think because it was nap time. one of the girls brought me some slippers and wanted to take me upstairs. i requested the line up and then the girls got up and seemed friendly.

i picked ngoc. she reminded me of a department store saleswomen. she said she was 21, but i suspect maybe she was in her 30's. she spoke ok english. so up to the room. it's a large room with a big bed. i was given some towels and shown the shower. girl came back and gave a typical vn massage including the cupped hand smacking. i was naked. she wasn't.

when she was done with the massage she got down to business. that's really what it seemed like, business. nothing sweet about it. she put in a good, but mechanical effort. i would hear her making sexy noises and i would look up at her only to see her staring at me cold eyed and impatient looking. someone should tell her that she isn't on the radio. bbj was so so. she was willing to do any position, but no anal.

went downstairs and paid 100,000 at the desk. tipped the girl 400,000. she offered to call me a taxi.

i might go back, but i would try a different girl.

Tim Em Xinh
11-28-09, 18:25
How can I find some web cam girls so that I can make some contacts before my trip next summer? I tried looking on google, but don;t seem to be getting anywhere. Prefer girls that will do nude, but anything if fine at this point.

Mash Potatoes
11-29-09, 04:40
How can I find some web cam girls so that I can make some contacts before my trip next summer? I tried looking on google, but don; t seem to be getting anywhere. Prefer girls that will do nude, but anything if fine at this point.What did you google?. 'girls who will go nude on web cam before my summer trip in Vietnam'?

Dude, this is a really silly preposition. Who the hell is going to be sitting in Vietnam waiting and willing to go nude on a web cam to a stranger?

Try vietsingles. Com. Get to know the girls, make contacts and take it from there.

Asian Rain
11-29-09, 15:54
Go at the crossroad CMT8/ Vo Thi Sau - 3 thong 2 (its where VTS becomes 3 thang 2). Take 3 thang 2 (on the left) and drive. The area is between than point and the crossroad 3 thang 2/Ly Thuong Kiet. Approximately two miles. Good time to go there is midnight. SW (does it mean street *****s?) are very easy to recognize. Most of them on foot. Usually mamasan on a bike or sitting on a chair not far away. Most of them are in group of 2 or 3 girls. No cop presence at all. (i mean, of course they're here, but undercover). Saw your post on the SW action in this area. Very interesting! So you are saying that the girls operate on the stretch between the traffic round (CTM8/VTS) and LTK? That is almost 3km of road? Is there any particular part where the girls congregate? Or is it concentrated in any particular area? Thanks, AR

Wendella
11-29-09, 16:13
saw your post on the sw action in this area. very interesting! so you are saying that the girls operate on the stretch between the traffic round (ctm8/vts) and ltk? that is almost 3km of road? is there any particular part where the girls congregate? or is it concentrated in any particular area? thanks, ar

that post from awhile back. if i remember right, nobody else was able to find them there, or nothing like as described at least. your luck may be better but it's possible it's a bad lead. (plus it's way too long a stretch of road to be driving down with your eyes peeled -- not a very good report, that one - and the guy totally disappeared after that)

Milkweed
11-30-09, 08:10
Try vietsingles. Com. Get to know the girls, make contacts and take it from there.

I went to vietsingles dot com. It is just some links to other sites or searches. Is this the correct address?

Mash Potatoes
11-30-09, 13:33
I went to vietsingles dot com. It is just some links to other sites or searches. Is this the correct address?Sorry mate.

Try:

http://www.vietsinglecom.com/

http://www.saigonsingles.com/

http://www.vietnamcupid.com/

Rokraida
11-30-09, 19:00
Saw your post on the SW action in this area. Very interesting! So you are saying that the girls operate on the stretch between the traffic round (CTM8/VTS) and LTK? That is almost 3km of road? Is there any particular part where the girls congregate? Or is it concentrated in any particular area? Thanks, ARI go down on 3 thang 2 from Ly Thuong Kiet to Cao Thang regularly at night and definately dont see anything looking remotely seedy.

If ur looking for SW action try Ng Chi Thanh which is nearish to that area.

Milkweed
12-03-09, 13:49
Sorry, this is a little off topic. But does anyone have a vacation idea for me? I'm in HCMC. I have the next 10 days free. I'm thinking about a bus to Cambodia or take my motorbike down to the Mekong. I think it is too short notice to book a flight. Any recommendations appreciated. And yes, mongering would be a plus.

Mik Hcmc
12-03-09, 17:00
Sorry, this is a little off topic. But does anyone have a vacation idea for me? I'm in HCMC. I have the next 10 days free. I'm thinking about a bus to Cambodia or take my motorbike down to the Mekong. I think it is too short notice to book a flight. Any recommendations appreciated. And yes, mongering would be a plus.

If you want to go to Cambodia (PP or AW) get the bus. Costs 400k return + usd$25 for single entry tourist visa, no photograph needed. The bus attendants take care of all paperwork. The bus's are nice and new, have a toilet located halfway along, reclining seats, aircon, tv and dvd player. Takes from 5-7hrs to PP depending on traffic. Bus's leave every hour from 6am until 2pm from HCMC.

If you want to fly try booking on air asia or tiger air. I've booked flights for the next day several times on tiger, Never flown on air asia. Trips to Bangkok on AA site for the 5/12 return 15/12 for USD$178 inc tax (I just punched the dates in and got these prices)
Jakarta on 6/12 return 14/12 usd$156 return inc tax's.

Just have to check the relevant forums to find places to stay close to the action.

I'm sure other members will chip in with ideas.

good luck

AdHome01
12-04-09, 03:12
Sorry, this is a little off topic. But does anyone have a vacation idea for me? I'm in HCMC. I have the next 10 days free. I'm thinking about a bus to Cambodia or take my motorbike down to the Mekong. I think it is too short notice to book a flight. Any recommendations appreciated. And yes, mongering would be a plus.

I would try Vietnam Airlines. I've gotten same day flights to Camboda a few times. Just don't do it online, go in to the office. Online requires you book 32 hours ahead of time.

Rokraida
12-04-09, 06:29
26B Nguyen Van Dau, P. 5, District Phú Nhuận

Went to this place the other night. Girl quality was about 4-7, with one or two 7's and the rest pretty average.

This is a 'special' bia om. You get a lineup at the start. Pick your girl and from there on she shares a glass with you and pretty much hassles you to drink all the time 1 to 1. I dont mind this as I can either keep up for just tell them to stop or slow down. Girls here dont speak any English.

Once the drinking begins, you can pretty much do whatever you like. Kiss, fondle breasts and finger all night. At the end, signal that you are about to leave and they do the 'special' thing, get down on all fours and proceed to give bbbj. They wont stop until you finish. This is standard service I was told.

Total bill after 2 hours for 6 guys was 2.8 Mill including girl tip of 150K per girl. I dont know how the bill got that high, but my friend took care of all of it. I didnt check to see how much a beer was. I wasnt paying much attention that nite. I did noticed the original bill was 3.5 mill, which was then crossed out and remade to 2.8 mill. I dont know what the deal was there. So be careful if you do go check it out.

Took my girl home for 500K LT. Girl was a 19 year old student part timer named Y.

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Booty Call
12-04-09, 09:10
I know this is last minute but I suddenly have a layover in Saigon for 10 hours tomorrow (Saturday) from 11 am to 9 pm - I know nothing of Vietnam but am an ex pat living in pattaya Thailand at the mo. If money was no object What and where would you go and do? Ps I live smoking hot chicks ;)

Wendella
12-04-09, 10:01
26B Nguyen Van Dau, P. 5, District Phú Nhuận


Great report. Replied to you over in other thread (Bars) -- didn't catch the actual intended sarcasm the first time til after I posted. Duh. Oh well, no big deal guess I had it coming with my own previous sarcastic reply. Anyway... places in D3, places in D5... I do know of some in each but given the sheer size of my last post (re D1 girl-bars), I say ball's still in your court. Cmon man, stop holding out on us... ;)

I have to say though, this one here's a pretty damn good lead.

Wendella
12-04-09, 10:06
I went to vietsingles dot com. It is just some links to other sites or searches. Is this the correct address?

http://vietsingle.vietfun.com/sea.php?l=1&k=5&ID=514677

Wendella
12-04-09, 10:18
Sorry, this is a little off topic. But does anyone have a vacation idea for me? I'm in HCMC. I have the next 10 days free. I'm thinking about a bus to Cambodia or take my motorbike down to the Mekong. I think it is too short notice to book a flight. Any recommendations appreciated. And yes, mongering would be a plus.

My vote: if you haven't been to Cambodia yet, go there. Phnom Penh is a quite good mongering destination (better than HCMC imo -- and cheaper) and the place has a very different feel to it than VN. Down in the Mekong is just another variation of what you see elsewhere in VN. OK it has differences and some worthwhile things to see, but to experience something different and more exciting (imo), def Cambodia. Mongering options very limited in delta btw.

Mik Hcmc
12-04-09, 14:28
How many people do you need to go to a Bia Om?

Tim Em Xinh
12-06-09, 18:32
How many people do you need to go to a Bia Om?Also, do you have to go at night or can one go during the day with the same results?

Rokraida
12-06-09, 18:33
26B Nguyen Van Dau, P. 5, District Phú NhuậnSorry guys, the address is actually.

226 Nguyen Van Dau, P. 5, District Phú Nhuận

Rokraida
12-06-09, 18:35
How many people do you need to go to a Bia Om?As far as I'm aware, theres no minimum number.

Raverboy
12-08-09, 05:19
Yes, the thing to remember is whether or not the drug works. Whether it is posing as a real Lilly product or it is made under license by a local company, as long as it is Tadalafil, it will give you the lift you want. However, we don't want to pay a higher price for the generic posing as the real brand, when we can just buy the straight-up generic at a lower price. VPC (Vietnam) is a legitimate licensed pharmaceuticals producer that sells Tadalafil under the name C.ales. You can buy real Lilly Cialis at Medicare in VN for around $10usd/pill.

My apologies for digging up an old post. Have been using generic Tadalafil (VN-made) which sells at Medicare for VND160.000/box of 4-20 mg pills. Checked out the price for 'real' Lilly Cialis at Medicare last night - VND440.000/box of 2-20 mg pills.

I have not used authentic Cialis for a long time and do not recall any side effects from using it. The generic made-in-VN Tadalafil gives me a feeling of bloatedness/indigestion, akin to just having had a rich meal and feeling full from it. This feeling comes and goes, perhaps 2-3 times a day for the 2-3 days or so that the pill is effective. No other noticeable side effects. I usually bite a third or half of a single 20 mg pill when I dose.

Does anyone else have this experience? Comments? Trying to decide if the pangs of indigestion justifies the 5-fold price increase for 'real' Cialis. They claim its a genuine product made in Spain. I can't tell any better than checking for intact seals and the hologram logo, which it had...

Thanks!

Gagoo
12-08-09, 13:00
I'm going to be staying at Asian Ruby 2 in a couple days. Only for a few nights though. I have been to Thailand many many times and Cambodia a few times.

What are some easy girl hunting tips and things that should be done for a Vietnam newbie? I'll be coming on a bus from Phnom Pehn.

So first I need to know how not to get cheated going to my hotel, how much to pay?

Where are some nearby places to just hang out listen to music, drink and maybe pick up a freelancer?

Ect ect. HCMC seems so much more difficult than Thailand, Cambodia and Philppines and the almost 50 other countries I have been too.

No, I didn't pick to come here to monger, I just want to see the culture, people and check out some of the pussy.. hehe... plus I need to go to the USA, and it's so cheap to fly to the US from HCMC.

Thanks in advance.

El Vagabundo
12-09-09, 05:08
I'm going to be staying at Asian Ruby 2 in a couple days. Only for a few nights though. I have been to Thailand many many times and Cambodia a few times.

What are some easy girl hunting tips and things that should be done for a Vietnam newbie? I'll be coming on a bus from Phnom Pehn.

So first I need to know how not to get cheated going to my hotel, how much to pay?

Where are some nearby places to just hang out listen to music, drink and maybe pick up a freelancer?

Ect ect. HCMC seems so much more difficult than Thailand, Cambodia and Philppines and the almost 50 other countries I have been too.

No, I didn't pick to come here to monger, I just want to see the culture, people and check out some of the pussy. Hehe. Plus I need to go to the USA, and it's so cheap to fly to the US from HCMC.

Thanks in advance.Gagoo:

I am leaving here (USA) on Thursday and will arrive into HCMC late Friday evening. I have the weekend booked at Asian Ruby 2. This is my first time to VN and could always use some help. Will you be there on Saturday. Lets meet up in the morning.

Martin from Cartagena

El Vagabundo
12-09-09, 05:52
On my way to riding in VN this weekend but need some female compianions

Gagoo
12-09-09, 06:35
Gagoo:

I am leaving here (USA) on Thursday and will arrive into HCMC late Friday evening. I have the weekend booked at Asian Ruby 2. This is my first time to VN and could always use some help. Will you be there on Saturday. Lets meet up in the morning.

Martin from Cartagena


I just sent you a message.

Rtw Monger
12-10-09, 10:18
Will probably be coming over to VN for a short visit.

Send me a PM if you would like to explore the city at night.

Deptrai
12-11-09, 04:46
On my way to riding in VN this weekend but need some female compianionswow, with a bike like that (in the picture) in HCMC, you could take about 3 to 4 ladies with you!

Mik Hcmc
12-11-09, 07:25
wow, with a bike like that (in the picture) in HCMC, you could take about 3 to 4 ladies with you!

I've taken 4 girls on my PS150i. A very tight squeeze but worth the pain.
His bike is more like a Limo. Take at least 6!!

Mash Potatoes
12-12-09, 04:41
After 9pm.

Nguyen Chi Thanh, Dao Duy Tu, Hoa Hao in D5 has a lot of young girls. About 300k plus room.

Worth the try.

Cheers,

Mash

Alleno151
12-29-09, 09:50
Sorry mate, but can you provide some more specific details? Nguyen Chi Thanh is the street, but what is Dao Duy Tu and Hoa Hao?


After 9pm.

Nguyen Chi Thanh, Dao Duy Tu, Hoa Hao in D5 has a lot of young girls. About 300k plus room.

Worth the try.

Cheers,

Mash

Mik Hcmc
12-29-09, 22:08
Sorry mate, but can you provide some more specific details? Nguyen Chi Thanh is the street, but what is Dao Duy Tu and Hoa Hao?

http://www.diadiem.com
punch those names in and you will see they are all streets. They are all close to eachother.

Mik Hcmc
12-29-09, 22:18
heres a interesting read about a popular place mentioned in this forum.
Hookers and their pimps working along Xo Viet Nghe Tinh Street
http://www.thanhniennews.com/features/?catid=10&newsid=54407

Mash Potatoes
12-30-09, 04:18
Hookers and their pimps working along Xo Viet Nghe Tinh Street

http://www.Thanhniennews.com/features/? Catid=10&newsid=54407[/QUOTE]Read this article yesterday. Pretty fukked up system going on there. Sometimes you pity the girls cause they're pretty much stuck in a never ending cycle.

I presume the girls are instructed/taught and forced to go and 'scam' mongers as well. That's Asia for you.

Mash Potatoes
12-30-09, 04:19
Sorry mate, but can you provide some more specific details? Nguyen Chi Thanh is the street, but what is Dao Duy Tu and Hoa Hao?Nguyen Chi Thanh/ Dao Duy Tu & Hoa Hao form a square block... so just ride around that area at about 9pm.

OzzieSuds
12-30-09, 20:35
Nguyen Chi Thanh/ Dao Duy Tu & Hoa Hao form a square block... so just ride around that area at about 9pm.

Those three streets all run parallel so I can understand why the punters are confused!

Pokey Penguin
01-09-10, 08:42
I visited the hot tocs on NPK a few times a few months ago. Was surprised, because this had been described by other posters as "haircut heaven," if I recall correctly, and I found only 3 hot tocs there that appeared to offer extras. This was at night, perhaps there are more during the daytime.

Also quite a few of what appear to be "bia oms" on this street, but that's another story (I'd love to hear more about people's experiences in bia oms because I've never gone in one, as the touts outside never seem to invite foreigners inside, at least that's my experience).

But, to get back to the subject, the hot tocs: There were some attractive girls in there, but I think perhaps I was overcharged. The first place on the right (entering the street from VTS) wanted 120K for the massage. HJ was 100K tip, BJ was 200K

The second place on the right said 200K for HJ, 300 K for BJ -- all-inclusive fee including massage, and no need for additional tip to the girl.

But I think I have read on this forum that the real fees are supposed to be: 60K for massage. 100K tip for EITHER HJ or BJ.

This is a bit hard for me to believe as a BJ seems to me a more valuable service than a HJ and would rightly command a higher price.

So, was I overcharged (particularly in the basic massage component of the fee)? And do you think I could go back and pay the correct fee after they already took me for a sucker? (I was last there 3 months ago, so maybe they won't remember me).

I live here, am not a tourist, so I don't want to pay tourist sucker fees.

Are prices on NPK normally the same as prices on DBL?

I will also say that I was freaked out by the facilities in these shops on NPK. In both places where I had service, massage takes place on a massage table separated from the next tables on the left and right by sheer curtains. I could see the guy next to me getting serviced, and he could see me. I really hate that, but it's so typical of VN. VNese seem to have no conception of privacy, though undoubtedly there are also govt regulations specifying lack of privacy in these massage places so as to prevent social evils.

Spanish Main
01-09-10, 20:01
I am flying into HCMC and staying in Vietnam for a month.

I would like to rent a cheap beach house somewhere in the warmer south.

Any advice please. Any resorts or beach towns recommended for mongering?

Budget stuff please. Costs?

Thanks

Johndao
01-10-10, 08:09
So, was I overcharged (particularly in the basic massage component of the fee)? And do you think I could go back and pay the correct fee after they already took me for a sucker? (I was last there 3 months ago, so maybe they won't remember me).

I live here, am not a tourist, so I don't want to pay tourist sucker fees.

Are prices on NPK normally the same as prices on DBL?

I will also say that I was freaked out by the facilities in these shops on NPK.
Penguin, First, why go back if the 'facilities freaked you out'? Also, sucker prices are not exclusively for tourists, they are for suckers--for those that pay them. You live here, you read the Forum where pricing info is readily available. If you had all those advantages and you still paid 'sucker' prices, what can we say?
JD

OzzieSuds
01-10-10, 20:55
I am flying into HCMC and staying in Vietnam for a month.

I would like to rent a cheap beach house somewhere in the warmer south.

Any advice please. Any resorts or beach towns recommended for mongering?

Budget stuff please. Costs?

Thanks

Vung Tau, Nha Trang - read about them under other places thread.

Pokey Penguin
01-11-10, 18:22
Penguin, First, why go back if the 'facilities freaked you out'? Also, sucker prices are not exclusively for tourists, they are for suckers--for those that pay them. You live here, you read the Forum where pricing info is readily available. If you had all those advantages and you still paid 'sucker' prices, what can we say?

JdOkay, Johndao, good logical questions to which I have answers.

The facilities freaked me out in one shop because it was busy when I went there. The other place was not busy and the cubicles next to me were unoccupied. So I would still go back, but not when the place is busy. Maybe in daytime on a weekday.

Wait. I'm remembering it wrong. The place where it was not busy did not have cubicles. I think I was taken into a private room. That was the place with the 120K massage fee. It was the other shop near it that freaked me out.

I have read the forum, but don't recall seeing any info specifically about pricing in the npk hot tocs, only about hot tocs generally. The npk places seem like they might command higher fees as they are less grungy and have better looking staff than the places I've seen on DBL for example (I've cruised DBL a few times but didn't see anyone who looked nice enough that I wanted them to service me. It is also nearly impossible to cross that street which makes things difficult as shops are on both sides of the street)

Also, inflation is so high in VN that one would expect prices to continually go up.

I don't think I paid real sucker fees, like, real TOURIST sucker fees, did I? Maybe slightly sucker.

So, I'm asking you, and others, if you might divulge what you pay for entrance and tip specifically on npk. I don't want to pay more than the real price and know that doing so can cause problems for fellow mongers.

Milkweed
01-12-10, 02:39
Pokey Penguin,
I like NPK. I don't mind sharing the big room with others. The curtains are private enough and I like hearing all the girl noises. If you don't like that, then ask for the VIP room. I think these places generally have a room that is more private and costs extra. I think saying "VIP" will get you there.

I pay 80,000 for a HJ ticket and 100,000 for a bj ticket. I tip 100,000 at either place.

I find that the service is generally better early. These places may open around 10, but I'd wait until 11am so the girls can get their make-up on. I think they close around 10pm.

The girls in the HJ place are better looking. But I prefer the BJ because the HJ's are often a little rough and can leave marks. I don't want to have to wait a week to pull my pants down around my gf. Does anyone know how to say "gentle" in tieng viet?

Johndao
01-12-10, 04:29
So, I'm asking you, and others, if you might divulge what you pay for entrance and tip specifically on npk. I don't want to pay more than the real price and know that doing so can cause problems for fellow mongers.
80k to the house and 100k to the girl.
JD

Milkweed
01-13-10, 02:04
Is there any morning action? What time do those cafe oms open?

I think the hot tocs start around 10 or 11am.
Bia oms...what? Maybe mid-afternoon?
I believe street action is around lunch time or evening.

One Wing Low
01-13-10, 02:28
Last time I was there, I found a xe om guy around the back packer district who knew a lot of girls and all the good spots. I had to try a few guys before I found one who can really supply good-looking girls for me.

He would take me to all these streets where the girls hang out. I gotta pick the girls I like. He acted as my bodyguard all the time. I would never ride solo to a lot of those streets after dark.

when I dont feel like going out, I just ask him to bring the girls over. He knew my taste so most time he would bring someone good, or I would tell him to bring someone else. The girls would behave because they know the guy can come back and find them. I used him for the whole week.

I would tip him 50K to 100K for the ride or the delivery, depending on how good the girls were. Try that arrangement. It makes no sense to ride around, risking getting beat up and robbed, when someone else can do it better.

Johndao
01-13-10, 02:42
The girls in the HJ place are better looking. But I prefer the BJ because the HJ's are often a little rough and can leave marks. I don't want to have to wait a week to pull my pants down around my gf. Does anyone know how to say "gentle" in tieng viet?

Tell them 'Nghe, nghe' for "go easy". Say 'Dau!' for "hurts". You can ask them to use oil. Some have calloused hands. I don't like HJ only and never go there any more.
JD

Johndao
01-13-10, 02:47
Try that arrangement. It makes no sense to ride around, risking getting beat up and robbed, when someone else can do it better.
There is very little risk of getting beat up and robbed here. This is not Cambodia or the PI. I know sometimes places look dark and dingy, sleazy or threatening but really they are not dangerous. This is not necessarily true at the early morning (1am, 2am) deserted hours, but for the most part Viets still keep to stealth and scamming when it comes to foreigners.
JD

MutantChicken
01-13-10, 03:15
Last time I was there, I found a xe om guy around the back packer district who knew a lot of girls and all the good spots. I had to try a few guys before I found one who can really supply good-looking girls for me.

He would take me to all these streets where the girls hang out. I have to pick the girls I like. He acted as my bodyguard all the time. I would never ride solo to a lot of those streets after dark.

When I don't feel like going out, I just ask him to bring the girls over. He knew my taste so most time he would bring someone good, or I would tell him to bring someone else. The girls would behave because they know the guy can come back and find them. I used him for the whole week.

I would tip him 50K to 100K for the ride or the delivery, depending on how good the girls were. Try that arrangement. It makes no sense to ride around, risking getting beat up and robbed, when someone else can do it better.yes well there is that but also the possibility that the xe om is in cohorts with the potential muggers or is the mugger himself. Secondly though you are tipping him 50-100k, how much kickbck is he getting off the girl, if you are paying above 500k then definately you are paying above the benchmrk, 300k for a young girl is the local price.

Wendella
01-13-10, 06:32
I would tip him 50K to 100K for the ride or the delivery, depending on how good the girls were. Try that arrangement. It makes no sense to ride around, risking getting beat up and robbed, when someone else can do it better.

It might be an ok way to go for someone new here, for the reasons you mentioned, though there is some risk of the "xe om" (motorbike taxi) being a scammer himself. It sounds as if you were fairly lucky. So someone might get someone like your guy, or they might get a shady character who'd just lure them into some kind of nasty scam. Or more likely than either of those possibilities, they'd get someone who'd take them around to places at very inflated prices.

I'd say, if you do the same again, it'd be great if you can note down where you get taken to (street names and the approx address numbers there) so others will have the choice of either going by taxi or else on their own if they want to. And actually, you would have that option yourself in future. But for me, it's always a bit frustrating when someone comes on and says they went to some great places, but then don't know where they actually were. For those of us who are interseted in following up on what we read here, it's unusable info.

I agree with JD that it's relatively safe in most areas, tho I have heard of some bad situations happening here and there. That kind of thing would be most likely to happen if you got taken somewhere by a scammer who was suddenly asking for some outrageous payment that you were refusing to pay, or another unpleasant outcome would be an 'unexpected' raid by cops with again the outrageous payment being 'requested'. I'm not saying this is what's normally going to happen, but I've heard stories of this kind of thing in the past. Only time I myself ever experienced anything like that was up in Bia Hoa (at bia oms there that were intent on scamming).

DirtyOldMan
01-15-10, 15:30
Regular member of this thread, I try to give every year my contribution. Last December, I was lucky enough to meet in Saigon this pretty petite Vietnamese FL, 22 years. She is a gentle girl, a great fuck, and clean (no drug, no drink, no cigs)! She used to work in Ho Chi Minh, but by early December 2009, she moved to Kuala Lumpur (or maybe Singapore), where she could be working in a brothel. She lost her phone when leaving Saigon, so I lost contact with her. Her name is My (pronunciation as "me").

If you happen to meet her, do not miss to go with her and enjoy. In reward, I would be very happy to know where you localized her. She is worth not to lose her track. Thanks in advance.

I have also posted this information on the thread of Kuala Lumpur. Dom151

DirtyOldMan
01-16-10, 16:21
I got mixed up, and was not able to attach the pictures.

Here they are.

Sorry,

Dirty Old Man

Pokey Penguin
01-16-10, 18:59
Thanks. Do you guys pay the same rate at all 3 places on npk? Milkweed, I don't know which shop is the "hj shop" and which is the "bj shop." As I recall, both shops I visited said they offered both services.

I thought it was very strange when the tout at the second shop, the one with the thin curtains, said 200K for hj, 300K for bj as I knew that I had to tip the girl and therefore these prices were ridiculously high. When I mentioned that to the tout, he said "no tip!" I didn't believe him, thought he was trying to scam me, thought that for sure, the girl would expect a tip. So I paid the 200, and, to my great surprise, it was not a scam, the girl did not expect a tip.

This seems to differ from the pricing experiences of you guys.

The third place on the street, further down and on the other side, seems to only have girls sometimes. When i went there once it had girls, though i didn't like any of them, but another night when I went back, there didn't seem to be any girls there.

Incidentally, Milkweed, you can change the hj from rough to smooth by simply bringing along some coconut oil or cream and having her use that. Makes a world of difference.

Anyone been in the bia oms on that street?

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Milkweed
01-17-10, 07:48
Pokey,
I only go to 2 of the hot tocs on this street. The other ones didn't impress me. And yeah, one hot toc always does a bj and the other one always does a hj. At the hj place I think maybe you could get a bj in the VIP room if you negotiated a higher tip.

I tried to PM you with more details, but I think you don't have PM.

Daddy San
01-17-10, 20:09
Hi guys,
for a Vienam newbie, can you please explain the terms:
-hot toc (barber shop with extended service available?)
-bia om
-caphe om
and what type of mongering activity is available at each.

Also, why is everyone so secretive abot the location of these places?
Is prostitution illegal in VN and you are afraid af the LE reading the forum?
What does NPK stand for? Presumably a street name, but which?
Is there a list of abbreviations used in this forum? I am totally confused!

Thanks

DS

Milkweed
01-18-10, 07:58
Hi guys,
for a Vienam newbie, can you please explain the terms:
-hot toc (barber shop with extended service available?)
-bia om
-caphe om

I think everything you want to know is already in this forum, but here are the basics:
hot toc = a barber shop. Some barber shops front for bj, hj, or fj.
bia om= a restaurant (nha hang) that has private rooms and female companionship. I think the most you will get is a bj here, and digits for later.
cafe om= a cafe that offers female companionship with either a bj or hj on the menu.

Johndao
01-18-10, 09:38
Hi guys,
for a Vienam newbie, can you please explain the terms:
-hot toc (barber shop with extended service available?)
-bia om
-caphe om
and what type of mongering activity is available at each.

Also, why is everyone so secretive abot the location of these places?
Is prostitution illegal in VN and you are afraid af the LE reading the forum?
What does NPK stand for? Presumably a street name, but which?
Is there a list of abbreviations used in this forum? I am totally confused!

Hi Daddy,

Everything you ask has already been discussed and explained in the Forum. It's best to read back as much as possible before asking.

Hot Toc simply means Haircut. Hot Tocs are often used as a thin cover for shops offering Handjobs and Blowjobs.

Bia Om: Bia is Beer and Om is literally hug or hold. A place where girls eat and drink with you and your friends and where some touching, nudity and often BJ or HJ is available. Can be expensive.

Cafe om = You get the idea I hope. Often cheap and down and dirty places, get a coffee and there are girls who will go to a back room area which is usually very semi-private and you can cuddle and she will blow you and or give a Handjob. Usually cheap.

Yes, prostitution is illegal in Vietnam. Giving LE a heads up on exactly what is happening where and how much it costs is not a good idea on many levels. But the biggest fear on this Forum is of guys going to our favorite places and overpaying, because they can't negotiate, don't care, are easy marks, are softies, or whatever other reason. This ruins it and destroys the market for the regulars. VN can be very, very cheap and can also be quite expensive compared to regional countries. Also, although P4P is plentiful, it is not always obvious (by design) and this makes it difficult for newcomers.

Best advice to you, read the Forums, all of them, for the past year, then come back and ask any questions you still have.

JD

DirtyOldMan
01-18-10, 12:42
I got mixed up, and was not able to attach the pictures.

Here they are.

Sorry,

Dirty Old ManFinally, here they are?

Johndao
01-18-10, 18:20
Finally, here they are?His pictures are in the Kuala Lumpur Malaysia Gallery, for some reason he thinks she works in a brothel there. DOM, she is not petite. If I see a girl named My in HCMC I'll ask her if she works in a brothel in Malaysia and if she knows Dirty Old Man. If it's her, I'll say hi for you DOM.
JD

Amjeck
01-23-10, 17:41
I think everything you want to know is already in this forum, but here are the basics:
hot toc = a barber shop. Some barber shops front for bj, hj, or fj.
bia om= a restaurant (nha hang) that has private rooms and female companionship. I think the most you will get is a bj here, and digits for later.
cafe om= a cafe that offers female companionship with either a bj or hj on the menu.
Any venues that offer FS?

Mik Hcmc
01-31-10, 16:37
I went for a ride to get some sauces and other items from the Korean mini-marts near the Saigon Super Bowl tonight, I decided I'd take a run past Hong Ha road.
Theres a lot of new buildings popping up near Cong Vien Gia Dinh side so I was thinking it's only time before the ladies will no longer be standing around.

As I went around the corner and past the Jetstar office there was a around 15 different ladies standing around, Most were wearing cloth dust masks. Most if not all are of the mature type,(30yr+) some quite large, nothing like the long slender graceful figures of VN girls. Some looked quite nice, others well I gave the throttle a bit of a squirt to get onto the next set of girls. On the way the really skinny girl (with a f#@ked up face from possible drug abuse) was not at her usual corner where the old airplane converted into a statue, there were 2 bikes with ladies.
On the way back she was walking up the street past the bia hoi wearing her usual micro mini-skirt and showing off those toothpick thin legs. I was tempted to slap her ass as I rode past but scared I may bowl her over.

If anyones in the area and wants to have a look then go for it, There may be something that tickles your fancy but note its quite dark and possibly 99% of the clients are locals.
I previously had paid 200k for 2hrs + hotel/guestroom. This was quite a while back, Prices may have risen to 3-400k.

Carl Raze
02-01-10, 10:39
Visited a cafe om on Le Van Luong in D7. As I was driving by there was a cute girl out front who caught my attention. So I stopped. They had me pull my bike into the back area and then a less attractive girl greeted me and started to take me to a back room. I tried walking to the front to find the younger girl, but they didn't want me to go up front and so I settled for the other girl.

Anyway, when I get back there they turn off the little light that had been on so the place was pitch black. So now not only was I getting a less attractive girl but I can't even watch her head bob up and down as she blows me. On top of that the girl didn't even allow CIM.

As I am leaving they hit me up for 200k. I just say no, give them 100k, sort of push through them, get on my bike and leave.

Over all a poor experience. Probably won't go back to this area but if I do, I guess you need to go during the day.

Johndao
02-02-10, 03:59
Some requested this again via PM so I am reposting it here:

It's been done already if you look back in the forums. Done twice I think.

DBP= Dien Bien Phu (Binh Thanh D for BJ)
NPK= Nguyen Phi Khanh (D1)
LTT= Le Thanh Ton (D1)
HBT= Hai Ba Trung (D1)
NVN= Nguyen Van Nguyen (D1)
NCT= Nguyen Chi Thanh (D5)
NTT= Nguyen Thi Thap (D7)
LVB= Lam Van Ben (D7)
LVL= Le Van Luong (D7)

Johndao
02-02-10, 04:02
Visited a cafe om on Le Van Luong in D7. As I was driving by there was a cute girl out front who caught my attention. So I stopped. They had me pull my bike into the back area and then a less attractive girl greeted me and started to take me to a back room. I tried walking to the front to find the younger girl, but they didn't want me to go up front and so I settled for the other girl.

Anyway, when I get back there they turn off the little light that had been on so the place was pitch black. So now not only was I getting a less attractive girl but I can't even watch her head bob up and down as she blows me. On top of that the girl didn't even allow CIM.

As I am leaving they hit me up for 200k. I just say no, give them 100k, sort of push through them, get on my bike and leave.

Over all a poor experience. Probably won't go back to this area but if I do, I guess you need to go during the day.

General Rules to follow Carl:
Don't go with any girls you don't want
Don't go anywhere you don't want to go
Don't be in the dark anytime, anywhere
And as you know, don't pay anything you don't want to pay
JD

DirtyOldMan
02-03-10, 16:36
His pictures are in the Kuala Lumpur Malaysia Gallery, for some reason he thinks she works in a brothel there. DOM, she is not petite. If I see a girl named My in HCMC I'll ask her if she works in a brothel in Malaysia and if she knows Dirty Old Man. If it's her, I'll say hi for you DOM.

JDWell, she is about 160-165 cm.

Thank you in advance, but I'm afraid she is still in Kuala Lumpur, or elsewhere.

DOM

Blue Diamone
02-04-10, 15:11
To all brother out there,

Need your help. I will be staying at Asian Ruby 3 in Ben Thanh Ward District 1.

Was wondering if there is any action aroung this area.

I have read through the review but cannot find anything.

Thank in advance

Daddy San
02-05-10, 08:06
Some requested this again via PM so I am reposting it here:

It's been done already if you look back in the forums. Done twice I think.

DBP= Dien Bien Phu (Binh Thanh D for BJ)
NPK= Nguyen Phi Khanh (D1)
LTT= Le Thanh Ton (D1)
HBT= Hai Ba Trung (D1)
NVN= Nguyen Van Nguyen (D1)
NCT= Nguyen Chi Thanh (D5)
NTT= Nguyen Thi Thap (D7)
LVB= Lam Van Ben (D7)
LVL= Le Van Luong (D7)

My belated thanks for this invaluable info JD.
I know it's all there in the forum, but not very easy to find when one needs it!
Is there no way of putting this type of info into a "sticky" or FAQ????
!!??JACKSON??!!
It would save you and others answering the same questions over and over again

Mik Hcmc
02-05-10, 08:11
My belated thanks for this invaluable info JD.
I know it's all there in the forum, but not very easy to find when one needs it!
Is there no way of putting this type of info into a "sticky" or FAQ????
!!??JACKSON??!!
It would save you and others answering the same questions over and over again

There is already a sticky with the VN street abbreviations listed.

China City Abbreviations

CD = ChengDu
CP = ChangPing
CQ = ChongQing
DG = DongGuan
GZ = GuangZhou
HK = HongKong
SH = ShangHai
SK = SheKou
SZ = ShenZhen
ZH = ZhuHai
ZMT = ZhangMuTou

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Saigon, Vietnam Abbreviations

DBL = Dinh Bo Linh
DBP = Dien Bien Phu
DK = Dong Khoi
HBT = Hai Ba Trung
NKKN = Nam Ky Khoi Nghia
NPK = Nguyen Phi Khanh
NTMK = Nguyen Thi Minh Khai
PMH = Phu My Hung (This is an area in District 7, not a street)
XVNT = Xo Viet Nghe Tinh

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German Abbreviations

A = Adultbabies
AO = alles ohne (Kondom, auch GV)
ASA = Analspiele aktiv
ASP = Analspiele passiv
AST = After-Sex-Talk (Nachgespräch)
AV = Analverkehr
Bade = Badespiele


Its up the top between FAQ and Photo Gallery.
Plenty of good info there, always something new to look up

Though if there was a sticky for VN and SGN related topics then that would be a great help.

Johndao
02-05-10, 09:09
To all brother out there,

Need your help. I will be staying at Asian Ruby 3 in Ben Thanh Ward District 1.

Was wondering if there is any action aroung this area.

I have read through the review but cannot find anything.

Thank in advance
There is nothing going on in that area at all. Lots of hotels, couples and call girls use them, nothing for you though. Pretty girl hairwash places in the area, very many of them and very pretty ladies but no sex involved.
JD

AdHome01
02-05-10, 14:20
To all brother out there,

Need your help. I will be staying at Asian Ruby 3 in Ben Thanh Ward District 1.

Was wondering if there is any action aroung this area.

I have read through the review but cannot find anything.

Thank in advance

If you can, PM me and I'll tell you a place a block away where you can get FS. Anyone else interested in this info can PM me too.

Also, I guessing you're staying at Asian Ruby 2, believe there is only 1 & 2 and not a 3.

MutantChicken
02-05-10, 15:45
If you can, PM me and I'll tell you a place a block away where you can get FS. Anyone else interested in this info can PM me too.

Also, I guessing you're staying at Asian Ruby 2, believe there is only 1 & 2 and not a 3.Ok if the request is for thai type massage full sex or a brothel arrangement. So such thing in that area, but if you talking about bars with a room for FS or bars where you can order take out yes possible on HBT.

Black Panda
02-06-10, 06:59
If you can, PM me and I'll tell you a place a block away where you can get FS. Anyone else interested in this info can PM me too.

Also, I guessing you're staying at Asian Ruby 2, believe there is only 1 & 2 and not a 3.There is AR3 on Le Lai Street.

It seems to be more common for massage places to have FS in Vung Tau. Been to 2 places there so far that had this service.

BP

Blue Diamone
02-07-10, 09:17
Thank to all brother that have reply.

After Chinese New Year, I will be back again, any recommandation where to stay.

I walk around this area a few time, and found a few spa but since a Vietnam language is zero did not pertake.

Finrod
02-08-10, 06:23
This Vietnam newbie went cruising last night and the night before in D1. Adhome's PM led to a dead end. In other words, things have evidently changed at that location as it was a much higher priced deal than he paid for so I passed. That's all I will say at his request, but hey thanks Adhome for trying to help me. I appreciate that.

I found myself in a few bars in different parts of D1. Cheapest quote I had was 600k dong for a BJ upstairs, that was negotiated down from 800k. Someone in another place wanted US$70 for FS. I did not partake of any of these as I thought they were all too high. Even after midnight and no other prospects they were not coming down in price. It was irritating to find them asking for a 100k tip just for cuddling and light groping; isn't that why I bought drinks for them to begin with? Guess the local vets would tell me this is Vietnam. Live and learn. This place ain't anything like the usual monger destinations in SE Asia, that is for sure.

I was walking somewhere in the vicinity of Ben Tranh around midnight last night and got stopped by a number of girls riding on the back of a scooter with their pimp/bf? Also stopped by a couple of girls on the street somewhere. Cheapest quote was 400k. US$30 (600k) was a typical quote. Pass. Except for one girl riding with a ladyboy who said girl would do me for 150k. But they were acting desperate and very pushy, following me around for a block and blocking my path. I really dislike pushiness and I kept smelling a possible rat/scam so I passed on that one too though the girl looked doable.

After RTFF, I understand about the discretion and I get that this city needs more time than I have on this trip in order to get my jollies without overpaying. For instance, I never ventured outside of D1 or developed any trust with the motorbike guys, something I hope to crack on my next visit. I have one more night here this trip so I'm just going to hit that jazz bar and take in the tunes. Thanks to all for their reports.

Ds4217
02-15-10, 06:41
I am finally getting divorced and as a long time reader, first time traveler. I will be making my first trip (to Vietnam and Cambodia) in 2 weeks. Does anybody have any advice and is anybody else going to be there and want to get together?

Joe Coodidge
02-17-10, 00:24
I'm planning a trip in the next month or so. Some reports talk about the Vietnamese currently as 'k' (i.e. 600k). But I'm looking at a currency conversion website and they have the currency as VND. So which one is it?

Also, what can I expect to pay for FS at a spa?

TIA,

Joe

Fryatuck
02-17-10, 00:54
I'm planning a trip in the next month or so. Some reports talk about the Vietnamese currently as 'k' (i.e. 600k). But I'm looking at a currency conversion website and they have the currency as VND. So which one is it?

Also, what can I expect to pay for FS at a spa?

TIA,

JoeJoe,

I really shoudn't be repying to this question but I feel sorry for you, the "k" stands for '000's i.e 600k= 600,000.

Hope that's clear

I await the response from others.

I used to work in customer service, I am better now, patience is a wonderful thing!

Mik Hcmc
02-17-10, 04:28
I'm planning a trip in the next month or so. Some reports talk about the Vietnamese currently as 'k' (i.e. 600k). But I'm looking at a currency conversion website and they have the currency as VND. So which one is it?

Also, what can I expect to pay for FS at a spa?

TIA,

Joe

k is short for Kilo
1 kilo = 1000gr
hense 600k = 600,000
1VND = bugger all.
Packets of chewing gum = 30k or 30,000vnd
pack of smokes = 18k or 18,000vnd
can of coke = 6.5k or 6,500vnd

Johndao
02-17-10, 08:41
I'm planning a trip in the next month or so. Some reports talk about the Vietnamese currently as 'k' (i.e. 600k). But I'm looking at a currency conversion website and they have the currency as VND. So which one is it?

Also, what can I expect to pay for FS at a spa?

TIA,

Joe
Joe,

As an American I have known since childhood that 'K' after a number means 'thousand' ('000), however evidently this is not an International symbol. Maybe it is American because in Baseball a 'K' is a strikeout which means 3 strikes on the batter. The letter K is formed with 3 strokes of the pen, a thousand has 3 zeros, therefore 600k Dong is 600,0000 Dong or about $30 USD. 1k=1,000 and Y2K means Year 2000

JD

Deptrai
02-17-10, 08:56
I am finally getting divorced and as a long time reader, first time traveler. I will be making my first trip (to Vietnam and Cambodia) in 2 weeks. Does anybody have any advice and is anybody else going to be there and want to get together?Congratulations! This calls for a big celebration, please let us know your travel schedule in Vietnam and which city you will be in (Hanoi or HCMC).

Spend some time with friends you meet in this forum when you are in Vietnam and soon you will be kicking yourselves and wondering why you did not get a divorce much much sooner!

Sound7
02-18-10, 07:25
I was at the Sheraton Spa in HCMC the price was 85 USD HJ without FS.

Vinperl Spa in central VN it was about the same without HJ or FS.

Just a massage.


I'm planning a trip in the next month or so. Some reports talk about the Vietnamese currently as 'k' (i.e. 600k). But I'm looking at a currency conversion website and they have the currency as VND. So which one is it?

Also, what can I expect to pay for FS at a spa?

TIA,

Joe

Johndao
02-18-10, 09:04
I'm planning a trip in the next month or so. Some reports talk about the Vietnamese currently as 'k' (i.e. 600k). But I'm looking at a currency conversion website and they have the currency as VND. So which one is it?

Also, what can I expect to pay for FS at a spa?

TIA,

Joe
Vietnam does not have Full Sex Spas. You should go to Thailand or Macau or somewhere that does.

JD

Joe Coodidge
02-18-10, 12:11
Vietnam does not have Full Sex Spas. You should go to Thailand or Macau or somewhere that does.

JD

Thanks JD. Any extras at all?

Mik Hcmc
02-18-10, 13:41
Thanks JD. Any extras at all?

coke, beer, fruit platters, water, redbull's, packets of smokes. These are extra's you can buy at the spa's.
Is that what you meant?

Just kidding,

You should be able to get some hand relief as standard at most men's spa's with the occasional bj and cim at a select few along with some possible hand roaming. Depending on the girl. Don't over tip.100k - 150k is more than ample.

Be prepared for the usd$50 5-6-700,000vnd bullshit since your a tourist but stick to your guns.100-150k.
Some MP's have signage stating that the girls cant ask for tips, Its upto the customer.
If she's making a big deal simply point to the sign (usually on the back of the door or on one of the walls) She'll understand, if not then call the attendant and change girls.

Some are proper spa's that don't have anything to do with "extras". Take a read in the massage parlour section. Plenty of info that will be useful to you in there.

Wendella
02-18-10, 15:06
Thanks JD. Any extras at all?

Seriously man, you can celebrate much more in Thailand than in Cambodia and or Vietnam. Why are you going to those? I say that because I live in Vietnam and just got back from a week in Cambodia, and the obvious lesson was that Thailand is defifnitely the place to go if it's quality and selection you're after. YOu can go see my Cambodia reports to see what my experience there was like -- pretty frustrating. It used to be a great spot to visit, and amazingly cheap -- now it's pretty hard to find a girl (the one you want at least) and is just slightly cheaper than Thailand. If you're not too fussy about the girl you end up with, it might be ok. But talent in Thailand definitely blows Cambodia away.

Rewe
02-19-10, 17:10
Vietnam does not have Full Sex Spas. You should go to Thailand or Macau or somewhere that does.

JD

I came across some very nice establishments that advertise their shops as 'hot tocs' but when you ask about massage, they take you upstairs to a bedroom with a bath attached to it. The girl brings you some towels and ask you to shower, and then she goes to get a drink for you. Once she comes back, she goes inside and takes a shower herself, and come out only wrapped in a towel. She starts with a massage, and then its up to you to do whatever you want. Total damage is 100k, and you tip her between 300 to 400k.
These shops are close to the airport, so its not a short drive for those living in district 1.

Wendella
02-20-10, 08:13
I came across some very nice establishments that advertise their shops as 'hot tocs' but when you ask about massage, they take you upstairs to a bedroom with a bath attached to it.

Let's please stick to Private Message to share specific info about those places, is that ok? There's a lot of people who are concerned these spots may get shut down due to their being too public on the internet.

Rewe
02-20-10, 09:50
Let's please stick to Private Message to share specific info about those places, is that ok? There's a lot of people who are concerned these spots may get shut down due to their being too public on the internet.
Ok wendella. i do not think i shared any specifics on the board, did i?

Wendella
02-20-10, 10:45
Ok wendella. i do not think i shared any specifics on the board, did i?

Yeah, no that's cool, you didn't -- I was just saying it in case someone was tempted to. (like if JD replied and asked you where and you replied to him by posting details, or else someone else did) Sorry, not trying to be an AH.

If you have PM, you can send it to people that way.

Thx

Frenchie404
02-20-10, 18:40
Hi All,

I've been a long time lurker to this board and this is my first post. I want to share with all the mongers my experience in Vietnam.

I was ripped by a moto girl last year in Hanoi. Not careful enough with my purse which was in my pocket. Funny thing that she took the time to steal the cash (and not it all), leaving my credit card behind.

Lesson learned, I will be less stupid next time.

I've just arrived in Saigon. Tonight a beautiful moto girl told me 20 USD for massage and boom boom. My bells rang all the warnings, it was too good to be true. But I like to play and she was very sexy so I said let's try.

We went to a short time hotel, I paid 50. 000 VND for the room. We get into the room, I stripped all my clothes, put all my money in my safety belt and went with it in the bathroom. She cleaned me quickly and there we are in the bed.

I put my safety belt under the pillow, she kissed me and quickly I felt her hands under the pillow.

I just say "no" and we continue. She dragged me against her breast and started to moan like crazy (I didn't even touch her).

Things were very weird but my safety belt was behind me and I hold her hands. Still, my spider senses rang like crazy!

Suddenly, I turned back and I saw a hand coming from under the bed trying to grab my safety belt!

I shout like crazy, put the ***** out of the room, made a big scandal at the reception of the hotel, made them refund me the 50. 000 VND.

So this my advice, fellow mongers: ALWAYS LOOK BEHIND YOUR BED WHEN YOU ARE ENTERING UNKNOWN AREA.

Good luck!Hi All,

I've been a long time lurker to this board and this is my first post. I want to share with all the mongers my experience in Vietnam.

I was ripped by a moto girl last year in Hanoi. Not careful enough with my purse which was in my pocket. Funny thing that she took the time to steal the cash (and not it all), leaving my credit card behind.

Lesson learned, I will be less stupid next time.

I've just arrived in Saigon. Tonight a beautiful moto girl told me 20 USD for massage and boom boom. My bells rang all the warnings, it was too good to be true. But I like to play and she was very sexy so I said let's try.

We went to a short time hotel, I paid 50.000 VND for the room. We get into the room, I stripped all my clothes, put all my money in my safety belt and went with it in the bathroom. She cleaned me quickly and there we are in the bed.

I put my safety belt under the pillow, she kissed me and quickly I felt her hands under the pillow.

I just say "no" and we continue. She dragged me against her breast and started to moan like crazy (I didn't even touch her).

Things were very weird but my safety belt was behind me and I hold her hands. Still, my spider senses rang like crazy!

Suddenly, I turned back and I saw a hand coming from under the bed trying to grab my safety belt!

I shout like crazy, put the ***** out of the room, made a big scandal at the reception of the hotel, made them refund me the 50. 000 VND.

So this my advice, fellow mongers: Always look behind your bed when you are entering unknown area.

Good luck!

Wendella
02-21-10, 06:37
Hi All,

I've been a long time lurker to this board and this is my first post. I want to share with all the mongers my experience in Vietnam.

Great story, even better the 2nd time! ;)

Oldcebu
02-21-10, 10:34
Great story, even better the 2nd time! ;)Very good advice. They must still get plenty of suckers to continue playing the game! How many mongers had this happen and too embarrassed to mention about it?

Wendella
02-22-10, 06:29
Very good advice. They must still get plenty of suckers to continue playing the game! How many mongers had this happen and too embarrassed to mention about it?

I myself have 2 stories like that, once in Phnom Penh and another in Bien Hoa. More on those later though. Busy day here.

Cus Land
02-28-10, 10:10
Heard a rumour there is a pool bar, that if you beat the girls she strips. Will be in HCMC post HK 7's at the end of March. Anyone know where it is?

Cheers

Dragonfly22
02-28-10, 19:31
Cus, that's a standard line girls use to get you interested. Some of them are quite the sharks so if you're not good don't risk it. Most bars with a pool table have that on offer.

Wendella
03-01-10, 05:30
Theres a few places that do this. On Hai Ba Trung street, any one of 35, 49 or 51. (the billiard table needs to be upstairs -- see if theres an upstairs or loft) On Le Thanh Ton street there is Bin Bin. On Thai Van Lung there is smile bar (no words on their sign, just a big happy face). There might be others but these are the ones I'm pretty sure will offer that, tho no guarantees -- basically it will be offered by girls who want to offer it.

If you search my posts a ways back, I did a pretty complete roundup of these kinds of bars here in this thread. One of those bars has since closed (Tia To -- and what a loss that was). The rest should all still be there.

Note, Bar 29 on Dong Khoi offers even more than this upstairs. Staff generaly older there tho, less attractive.

OzzieSuds
03-01-10, 05:53
As Wendella says all of the bars with pool tables upstairs will have this - if the gal wins she gets VND100,000 and if you win she strips (and I always specify that she strips on the table).

One that Wendalla did not mention was Coco on Thi Sach - sister bar to Smiley.

And the one on Thai Van Lung with the table in the front garage has gone now but there is another one just up the street.

On Hai Bai Trung the billiard bar nearest the Hyatt has the most appalling slope in the floor such that both tables lean towards the front of the building.

As for the gals being sharp I try to pick out the newer ones - much less experienced in all respects.

OzzieSuds
03-01-10, 06:00
Years ago there was a very classy establishment in the penthouse of the Me Linh tower with takeout readily available.

Is there anything up there these days?

And while I am asking - what goes down at the roof bar of the Majestic?

Wendella
03-01-10, 15:05
One that Wendalla did not mention was Coco on Thi Sach - sister bar to Smiley.
Oops, I should probably go back and do an update on that one. Some places closed, and others I forgot to include.


And the one on Thai Van Lung with the table in the front garage has gone now but there is another one just up the street.
That was "3" -- demolished a few months ago. Tia To is gone too, turned into a Japanese rest. That place had a few excellent girls.


On Hai Bai Trung the billiard bar nearest the Hyatt has the most appalling slope in the floor such that both tables lean towards the front of the building.Which one is this??? 2 pool tables? Oh if the Hyatt is the fairly new hotel near the opera house, then that would mean this is 91.


Years ago there was a very classy establishment in the penthouse of the Me Linh tower with takeout readily available.
Not familiar with this building. This isnt the one with Prudential is it?

Alex Kidd
03-02-10, 09:06
Vietnam does not have Full Sex Spas. You should go to Thailand or Macau or somewhere that does.

JDThere is one I know of, but its expensive. 1mil as tip after massage.

Phu my hung.

I thought it would be well known to posters on here.

Newbie
03-02-10, 10:19
Years ago there was a very classy establishment in the penthouse of the Me Linh tower with takeout readily available.

Is there anything up there these days?

And while I am asking - what goes down at the roof bar of the Majestic?

Nope. The bar there no longer operates

As for Majestic Hotel, absolutely nothing happens there.

Happytimes
03-03-10, 08:48
hey guys,

i'm thinking of visiting hcmc for the first time and have read the forum as best as i could.

now i have been to pattaya and am hoping to have prices similiar to those there, but it seems that the only options available would be moto girls? and from the posts it seems that they are not safe to deal with (theft problem).

also there's the nct/ddt/hoahao area right? are they like sw with short time hotels right at the spot?

and the cafe or "hottoc" hair places, they only offer hj/bj? never fs?

as for long time, is it anything like in pattaya where i just talk to the girls, and if they're good to go take them back to my hotel room? i seems to recall reading a post where it's not okay to take them back to my own room?

lastly. the age thing, i tend to go for the younger looking girls, and have read about the **** scam that goes on, what should i watch out for, the last thing i want is getting arrested or fined because of **** girls.

(if i end up fucking one is one thing, but getting in trouble for one that's just bad)

please any help would be fine, hotel recommandations (safe, and girl friendly), areas for cheap poon (i don't mind raunchy enviroments), place for nice enviroments, etc.

Johndao
03-04-10, 02:53
hey guys,

i'm thinking of visiting hcmc for the first time and have read the forum as best as i could.

now i have been to pattaya and am hoping to have prices similiar to those there, but it seems that the only options available would be moto girls? and from the posts it seems that they are not safe to deal with (theft problem).

and the cafe or "hottoc" hair places, they only offer hj/bj? never fs?

as for long time, is it anything like in pattaya where i just talk to the girls, and if they're good to go take them back to my hotel room? i seems to recall reading a post where it's not okay to take them back to my own room?

lastly. the age thing, i tend to go for the younger looking girls, and have read about the **** scam that goes on, what should i watch out for, the last thing i want is getting arrested or fined because of **** girls.

please any help would be fine, hotel recommandations (safe, and girl friendly), areas for cheap poon (i don't mind raunchy enviroments), place for nice enviroments, etc.
it's all here in the forum, happy, it seems you did a good job reading already. forget any analogies with thailand. nothing in vietnam is anything like thailand, except perhaps the weather in bkk and hcmc. the culture, language, food, customs, money, sex service availability is all different. yes, they are both se asian countries, but that is all. forget any comparisons, to you and everyone else reading, thailand is not vietnam. above all, thailand is easy and vietnam is not. thailand is a soft sloping hill to climb, vietnam is a steep, sharp, craggy mountain.

right, no fs at 'hot toc' places and you will find some raunchy environments. you will also find limited english skills and people looking to rip you off and cheat you and lie to you at every turn. i hope you are not coming here on holiday. this place often leaves people exhausted and unnerved. have fun.
jd

Explorerman
03-04-10, 03:24
It's all here in the Forum, Happy, it seems you did a good job reading already. Forget any analogies with Thailand. Nothing in Vietnam is anything like Thailand, except perhaps the weather in BKK and HCMC. The culture, language, food, customs, money, sex service availability is all different. Yes, they are both SE Asian countries, but that is all. Forget any comparisons, to you and everyone else reading, Thailand is not Vietnam. Above all, Thailand is easy and Vietnam is not. Thailand is a soft sloping hill to climb, Vietnam is a steep, sharp, craggy mountain.

Right, no FS at 'Hot Toc' places and you will find some raunchy environments. You will also find limited English skills and people looking to rip you off and cheat you and lie to you at every turn. I hope you are not coming here on holiday. This place often leaves people exhausted and unnerved. Have fun.
JD

Agreed. Vietnam is tougher than any of the neighboring places. Thailand is like heaven by comparison.

In VN, basically I found that you can go to many places and get a decent massage with HJ or sometimes BJ. But it is much harder to get FS, unless you work hard at it and learn the ropes, and/or speak the language, and/or live in the country, and/or lower your standards, and/or pay more money than you should, and/or take risks (eg, moto), and/or play in grubby locations. I've pretty much decided it is not worth it. The massage route is always there, almost anywhere. But for FS, I have just developed a set of girls in various places who are an occasional gf, and when I go there, I see them, and they are happy to see me. That takes sometimes 1 or 2 dates, but after that, it works fine, and then the only issue is that they tend to get clingy. That is a problem I can deal with, and in the meantime, I can pretty much get what I want when I want it. It is easy to meet them on any of a number of websites, then email or online chat with them, then SMS, meet, and then easy.... I've never had a problem getting them into my hotel. And if I am going for a few days to a place where I have no gf, I often invite one of them along, and just enjoy them in a new place. That works for me.

There are guys (like Johndao and others) who obviously also go the P4P route and enjoy it a lot. Different strokes for different folks (no pun intended....).

Happytimes
03-04-10, 06:49
Thanks for the answer guys, and Johndao yes, I am planning a short 4-5 day vacation for myself.

I'm hoping to get a good mix of clean tourist sights and of course the reason I'm even on this forum is to get lots of loads off while out.

But it seemed from Explorerman and yourself that I'm going to have a hard time getting the dirty fun here in Vietnam. I'm a Canada raised Asian but I don't think the skin color will help if I don't know the Viet language eh?

Exploreman, thanks for the suggestion, but I'm more of a P4P person. I leave the relationship trouble back home

Could you elaborate a little more on the "grubby locations? "

I have other locations in mind such as Indonesia, Philippines, Malaysia, as long as in the south Asia area.

And all these places have things for a tourist to do, but it will come down to which place has easily accessible girls, and at a fair price.

If I was to settle for Vietnam, which location would be best for a single male traveller? HCMC or Hanoi, or Nha Trang?

Or I'm just better off somewhere else?

And yeah. Pattaya was heaven. Loved it. Women at all hours of the day.

Raverboy
03-04-10, 09:22
Thanks for the answer guys, and Johndao yes, I am planning a short 4-5 day vacation for myself.

I'm hoping to get a good mix of clean tourist sights and of course the reason I'm even on this forum is to get lots of loads off while out.

But it seemed from Explorerman and yourself that I'm going to have a hard time getting the dirty fun here in Vietnam. I'm a Canada raised Asian but I don't think the skin color will help if I don't know the Viet language eh?

Exploreman, thanks for the suggestion, but I'm more of a P4P person. I leave the relationship trouble back home

Could you elaborate a little more on the "grubby locations? "

I have other locations in mind such as Indonesia, Philippines, Malaysia, as long as in the south Asia area.

And all these places have things for a tourist to do, but it will come down to which place has easily accessible girls, and at a fair price.

If I was to settle for Vietnam, which location would be best for a single male traveller? HCMC or Hanoi, or Nha Trang?

Or I'm just better off somewhere else?

And yeah. Pattaya was heaven. Loved it. Women at all hours of the day.

If Pattaya is your yardstick (it seems to be) and you only have 4-5 days for some serious pooning, forget Vietnam. You will be disappointed.

However, I live here and so as not to diss Vietnam completely, the only thing I can remotely offer up as a suggestion would be a place like Do Son. Do a search on it. It has been reviewed on ISG once. The set up is simple - a small town by the sea, usually a district of a larger coastal city, where you have a cluster of *****houses masquerading as no-star Vietnamese hotels. You can do VN village girls for VND 150.000 a pop (about USD8), pay-as-you-play. You can spend 4-5 days there doing one after the other until you are sick of it. There are a few of these types of 'towns' throughout the entire coast of VN. Absolutely no English though, but you wouldnt get grubbier than this. Would be preferable to have a VN-speaking guide. Complicated enough?

Alternatively, you could spend 4-5 days easy in Angeles City in the Philippines or in Kota in Jakarta and do some serious pooning with much much much less hassle.

One Wing Low
03-04-10, 09:33
The Philipines would be a lot more fun with lots more choices of bars, strip shows and girls all hours of the night.

There is no strip clubs or fish bowls in Vietnam. It takes a lot of work to arrange for the girls. They are not good-looking, and many bros have reported being cheated or robbed in various cities.

I was able to pull 4,5 girls a day in Nha Trang, price about US$25 ST. This system should work in other cities as well.

Nha Trang is a beach town but there is not much other entertainment. If you must go to there, PM me. Will point you to the right place. Cannot discuss it openly here as they may be busted.



Thanks for the answer guys, and Johndao yes, I am planning a short 4-5 day vacation for myself.

I'm hoping to get a good mix of clean tourist sights and of course the reason I'm even on this forum is to get lots of loads off while out.
Exploreman, thanks for the suggestion, but I'm more of a P4P person. I leave the relationship trouble back home

Could you elaborate a little more on the "grubby locations? "

I have other locations in mind such as Indonesia, Philippines, Malaysia, as long as in the south Asia area.


If I was to settle for Vietnam, which location would be best for a single male traveller? HCMC or Hanoi, or Nha Trang?


And yeah. Pattaya was heaven. Loved it. Women at all hours of the day.

Ketilang
03-05-10, 05:13
If Pattaya is your yardstick (it seems to be) and you only have 4-5 days for some serious pooning, forget Vietnam. You will be disappointed.

However, I live here and so as not to diss Vietnam completely, the only thing I can remotely offer up as a suggestion would be a place like Do Son. Do a search on it. It has been reviewed on ISG once. The set up is simple - a small town by the sea, usually a district of a larger coastal city, where you have a cluster of *****houses masquerading as no-star Vietnamese hotels. You can do VN village girls for VND 150.000 a pop (about USD8), pay-as-you-play. You can spend 4-5 days there doing one after the other until you are sick of it. There are a few of these types of 'towns' throughout the entire coast of VN. Absolutely no English though, but you wouldnt get grubbier than this. Would be preferable to have a VN-speaking guide. Complicated enough?

Alternatively, you could spend 4-5 days easy in Angeles City in the Philippines or in Kota in Jakarta and do some serious pooning with much much much less hassle.Raver boy, how to go to Do Son. How long it will take from Ben Thant Market and how much it will cost me to go by cab? Any idea of hotels room rate?

Rocky Power
03-05-10, 05:48
hey guys,

i'm thinking of visiting hcmc for the first time and have read the forum as best as i could.

now i have been to pattaya and am hoping to have prices similiar to those there, but it seems that the only options available would be moto girls? and from the posts it seems that they are not safe to deal with (theft problem).

also there's the nct/ddt/hoahao area right? are they like sw with short time hotels right at the spot?

and the cafe or "hottoc" hair places, they only offer hj/bj? never fs?

as for long time, is it anything like in pattaya where i just talk to the girls, and if they're good to go take them back to my hotel room? i seems to recall reading a post where it's not okay to take them back to my own room?

lastly. the age thing, i tend to go for the younger looking girls, and have read about the **** scam that goes on, what should i watch out for, the last thing i want is getting arrested or fined because of **** girls.

(if i end up fucking one is one thing, but getting in trouble for one that's just bad).

please any help would be fine, hotel recommandations (safe, and girl friendly), areas for cheap poon (i don't mind raunchy enviroments), place for nice enviroments, etc.there is also another option that no one has mentioned.

there is a small town on the coast, reached by a 1 hour 20 min ride by hydro-foil called vung tau.

this place is a little bit different than most viet cities.

it has a series of english type bars with the hottest young things around.

you pay more as the quality is alot higher as they won't go with you for less than 1 million dong. i tried but no dice.

the good thing is they speak reasonable english so you can communicate without waving arms around and so on.

so if you hit it off with 1 your have a good chance of a gf experience.

failing that the massage parlours all offer fs and your pay anywhere from 400 000 to 800 000 dong for an hour or 2 in a clean environment and the quality of the ladies are 5/10 to 8/10. you choose from a small selection and some of them will speak a little english.

also they have bj shops here as well but your have to be looking for them in order to find them as there will not be anything written(signs) out the front.

they try to keep a low profile to avoid police interaction. price is 300 000 but you may get lower if you negotiate well and don't expect them to speak english.

this little town rocks.

editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.

Explorerman
03-05-10, 07:50
But it seemed from Explorerman and yourself that I'm going to have a hard time getting the dirty fun here in Vietnam. I'm a Canada raised Asian but I don't think the skin color will help if I don't know the Viet language eh?

Exploreman, thanks for the suggestion, but I'm more of a P4P person. I leave the relationship trouble back home

Could you elaborate a little more on the "grubby locations? "

Hard to say, as one man's "grubby" may be normal or acceptable for another guy. But in P4P, there are typically two scenarios: (1) you find a girl in a place like a bar, negotiate a price, and take her somewhere of your choosing, but typically in Vietnam that cannot be a very nice hotel, at least after 9:00pm or so; or (2) you go to a house where girls are located, and you play in their location.

For (2), I have basically found with few exceptions that those places are unclean by my standards. I don't like bedding someone where the bed is still warm and the sheets unchanged since the last guy was there. Or maybe the last 10-20 guys.... Yuck.

For (1), since most 4 or 5 star places are off limits after 9:00pm, either you go early, get the girl, and have your fun early at the nice place where you actually sleep, or you have to go find a short term place, usually 2-3 star, and my experience with that is mixed. Not yuck, but usually I prefer only ST and not all night in such places.

Maybe I am too picky, or a snob, or whatever some may think, but my own preference for sex is a nice place, with GFE experience.

I hope that helps.

Easy Rider 2
03-07-10, 01:09
Post relocated to the General area here

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=995459&postcount=543

Thanks

ER2

Raverboy
03-07-10, 08:41
Raver boy, how to go to Do Son. How long it will take from Ben Thant Market and how much it will cost me to go by cab? Any idea of hotels room rate?

Do Son is 22 km from Hai Phong, making it about 1851 km from Ben Thanh Market. If you take a cab it will be about VND 22.212.000 on the meter (USD 1145 approx. per current exchange rate). I suggest you fly instead.

RTFF.

OzzieSuds
03-08-10, 00:36
Do Son is 22 km from Hai Phong, making it about 1851 km from Ben Thanh Market. If you take a cab it will be about VND 22.212.000 on the meter (USD 1145 approx. per current exchange rate). I suggest you fly instead.

RTFF.

Well Raverboy - your original post was under a HCMC thread.

The real problem is that we have at least two discussions about Thailand vs Vietnam vs Philipines and none of them are under a VN General thread.

By the way I would take the sweet GF of ordinary VN girls anytime over the commercial rathouse of the other two.

GreenBud
03-13-10, 05:38
Hung out in the Pham Ngu Lao area last week. Pham Ngu Lao Street is the street that is parallel to the park. My status will concern the area one street away at the intersection of the Go2 and Buffalo bars (This is backpacker central).

I like to hang out and drink cheap beers and smoke lousy ganja. Note: The wiki map of the marijuana friendly countries is somewhat incorrect. Vietnam is listed as illegal. They site the story of the police bust of a major marijuana importing ring. But they allow open marijuana smoking in the Phan Ngu Lao area. I was told it depends on which area of Vietnam it is. I was told that in Saigon and Hanoi, they are more worried about hard drugs. In some areas of Vietnam, weed laws are enforced, so you just can't smoke anywhere.

The SWs walk about that area. Speaking with ex-pats and tourists, the girls can be had between 500K and 700K dong. Of course the first price they ask for will be higher. Most of the SWs were marginal. One was decent, but one tourist said that he offered 500K dong, but she wouldn't budged from 700K dong. There are local freelancers in the upstairs discos in the Go2 and Buffalo bars. Was told by a Viet Kiev that the price will be approx 1 mil dong. But some of the girls were cute. As cute as the girls in the HBT bars. I'm thinking that the cutest ones at the upstairs discos might ask for more.

Ketilang
03-14-10, 16:19
Do Son is 22 km from Hai Phong, making it about 1851 km from Ben Thanh Market?. So can I consider this is out of HCMC. Thanks Sudsoz.

I have been visiting Thailand and HCMC very much for the past 8 years for business (mostly). And I can't miss visiting 'this' places. Honestly – I prefer Vietnam. However for a fast one – Phuket or Chiangmai is better. You can have it in a split second.

Thanks

Cus Land
03-14-10, 20:14
Theres a few places that do this. On Hai Ba Trung street, any one of 35, 49 or 51. (the billiard table needs to be upstairs -- see if theres an upstairs or loft) On Le Thanh Ton street there is Bin Bin. On Thai Van Lung there is smile bar (no words on their sign, just a big happy face). There might be others but these are the ones I'm pretty sure will offer that, tho no guarantees -- basically it will be offered by girls who want to offer it.

If you search my posts a ways back, I did a pretty complete roundup of these kinds of bars here in this thread. One of those bars has since closed (Tia To -- and what a loss that was). The rest should all still be there.

Note, Bar 29 on Dong Khoi offers even more than this upstairs. Staff generaly older there tho, less attractive.Many thanks for this - I cannot wait!

Happytimes
03-17-10, 06:23
Thank you for your answers, I appreciate it alot.

Do Son does sound like the place to be, can relax and fuck all the women available. But don't sound like there's much to do there.

In the end I decided to head to Siem Reap, Cambodia, Visiting the Angkor Temples during the day and getting ladies during the night.

Sadly, since it's such a tourist attraction now it will cost a little more then I hoped.

After doing some research on the Cambodia forums. I found out about this magical place called K11,. But at the same time I found out it's already closed. Too late of a discovery.

Maybe I can find similar places in Siem Reap.

Thanks again and I hope to have good things to report on the Siem Reap forum!

Hardlock1
03-17-10, 09:33
I am here to officially thank you, Milkweed, for pm'ing me the address of that place on NPK. I went there today, and did as you said to do, and it went as you said it would. Well, except, as I walked in the front door, there was a Viet guy there opening the door for me and saying, "blow job ok! Blow job ok! " Ha ha ha ha There was no doubt I was entering the correct establishment. It don't look like much from the street, very discreet is what I would call it.

I picked a girl named Thu. 21 years old, fresh off the farm it seemed. Face about 9 3/4 I would say, body about an 8 or 8 1/2. Attitude about 15 or 20. Since I am leaving here on Sunday, I have to squeeze in a couple more visits to that place.

One thing was remiss, however. She told me to go downstairs and pay Mamasan. I proceeded to do just that, and when I handed her 200, 000 and indicated one of them was for Thu, she and another woman started explaining to me how the price was 100, 000 more. I dunno why. Anyone ever pay that there? Did I mess it up for everybody? I'm sorry if I did. All in all, it was great and way, way worth more than I paid, and well worth several more visits.

I have to admit though, my heart hurt a little bit. Here I am, an old fart in a curtained-off room with a 21 year old that I could just have well been seeing on TV tonight. One has to wonder at the turn of events that put her there, doing that job, with such grace, beauty and professionalism. What a country! I think, in the end, she enjoyed it more than I did. Or, that could just be ego talking; after all, I am an old fart. Ha ha ha ha ha ha

H is Out

Joe Coodidge
03-17-10, 23:28
I am here to officially thank you, Milkweed, for pm'ing me the address of that place on NPK. I went there today, and did as you said to do, and it went as you said it would. Well, except, as I walked in the front door, there was a Viet guy there opening the door for me and saying, "blow job ok! Blow job ok! " Ha ha ha ha There was no doubt I was entering the correct establishment. It don't look like much from the street, very discreet is what I would call it.

I picked a girl named Thu. 21 years old, fresh off the farm it seemed. Face about 9 3/4 I would say, body about an 8 or 8 1/2. Attitude about 15 or 20. Since I am leaving here on Sunday, I have to squeeze in a couple more visits to that place.

One thing was remiss, however. She told me to go downstairs and pay Mamasan. I proceeded to do just that, and when I handed her 200, 000 and indicated one of them was for Thu, she and another woman started explaining to me how the price was 100, 000 more. I dunno why. Anyone ever pay that there? Did I mess it up for everybody? I'm sorry if I did. All in all, it was great and way, way worth more than I paid, and well worth several more visits.

I have to admit though, my heart hurt a little bit. Here I am, an old fart in a curtained-off room with a 21 year old that I could just have well been seeing on TV tonight. One has to wonder at the turn of events that put her there, doing that job, with such grace, beauty and professionalism. What a country! I think, in the end, she enjoyed it more than I did. Or, that could just be ego talking; after all, I am an old fart. Ha ha ha ha ha ha

H is Out

Would you mind PM'ng me that address?

TIA!

Johndao
03-18-10, 03:11
I am here to officially thank you, Milkweed, for pm'ing me the address of that place on NPK. I went there today, and did as you said to do, and it went as you said it would. Well, except, as I walked in the front door, there was a Viet guy there opening the door for me and saying, "blow job ok! Blow job ok! " Ha ha ha ha There was no doubt I was entering the correct establishment. It don't look like much from the street, very discreet is what I would call it.

I picked a girl named Thu. 21 years old, fresh off the farm it seemed. Face about 9 3/4 I would say, body about an 8 or 8 1/2. Attitude about 15 or 20. Since I am leaving here on Sunday, I have to squeeze in a couple more visits to that place.

One thing was remiss, however. She told me to go downstairs and pay Mamasan. I proceeded to do just that, and when I handed her 200, 000 and indicated one of them was for Thu, she and another woman started explaining to me how the price was 100, 000 more. I dunno why. Anyone ever pay that there? Did I mess it up for everybody? I'm sorry if I did. All in all, it was great and way, way worth more than I paid, and well worth several more visits.

I have to admit though, my heart hurt a little bit. Here I am, an old fart in a curtained-off room with a 21 year old that I could just have well been seeing on TV tonight. One has to wonder at the turn of events that put her there, doing that job, with such grace, beauty and professionalism. What a country! I think, in the end, she enjoyed it more than I did. Or, that could just be ego talking; after all, I am an old fart. Ha ha ha ha ha ha

H is Out
They don't like to give change. It's more fun and profitable to rip off old fart foreigners who are rich and don't care about money.

It's 80k to the house and 100k to the girl. Give the 100k directly to the girl, not to someone else. If your boss gave your salary or pension to a Vietnamese to give to you, how much would you get?

Give the house 80k. If you give them 100k and wait for the change, they won't give it to you.
JD

Johndao
03-18-10, 03:21
I have to admit though, my heart hurt a little bit. Here I am, an old fart in a curtained-off room with a 21 year old that I could just have well been seeing on TV tonight. One has to wonder at the turn of events that put her there, doing that job, with such grace, beauty and professionalism. What a country! I think, in the end, she enjoyed it more than I did. Or, that could just be ego talking; after all, I am an old fart. Ha ha ha ha ha ha
She doesn't have education and her family can't afford it. She is only qualified for farm or factory work. But that is hard and heavy work, many hours per week and it will wear her down and pay very, very little. Although giving blow jobs to strangers all day may seem like difficult and dirty work, and it is to some degree, it is easier and cleaner than farm or factory work. Were she not lovely she would be on the farm still. She also can not marry into a family with money despite her looks as the families would not be compatible. Her best hope is mistress, second wife, girlfriend of someone rich so she doesn't have to work blowjobs.

She may well be supporting a family in the countryside with her urban labor and paying school fees for a brother or sister who have a hope of education and a good job in the future. She is relaxed and enthusiastic about her work because for the first time she can earn some real money and help her family and there is a lot of goodness in that for her, despite what she is doing to earn it. She is in a clean and safe place, out of the sun, she has clean water to drink and bathe and 3 good meals a day. From time to time during the day she is called upstairs to do her 20 mins of work. It's not so bad compared to what others have to do to earn much less.
JD

Hardlock1
03-18-10, 12:25
She doesn't have education and her family can't afford it. She is only qualified for farm or factory work. But that is hard and heavy work, many hours per week and it will wear her down and pay very, very little. Although giving blow jobs to strangers all day may seem like difficult and dirty work, and it is to some degree, it is easier and cleaner than farm or factory work. Were she not lovely she would be on the farm still. She also can not marry into a family with money despite her looks as the families would not be compatible. Her best hope is mistress, second wife, girlfriend of someone rich so she doesn't have to work blowjobs.

She may well be supporting a family in the countryside with her urban labor and paying school fees for a brother or sister who have a hope of education and a good job in the future. She is relaxed and enthusiastic about her work because for the first time she can earn some real money and help her family and there is a lot of goodness in that for her, despite what she is doing to earn it. She is in a clean and safe place, out of the sun, she has clean water to drink and bathe and 3 good meals a day. From time to time during the day she is called upstairs to do her 20 mins of work. It's not so bad compared to what others have to do to earn much less.
JDI do understand all that, John. And, unfortunately, Vietnam is probably 25 or 30 years away from any kind of real culture change where the country girls have the same chance as the city girls. I remember South Korea in the early 1970's, and it was just like Vietnam is now. Today, South Korea imports its working girls from all over, but mostly from The Philippines. MY ex-wife's family still own many bars in Korea and import Filipina help.

However, all that being said, I suggest that you get on over there and make your contribution to her brother, sister, family or whatever. LOL After all, we are all agreed that she is there of necessity. So, necessitate. I'm smiling, John. I'm smiling.

H is out

Joe Coodidge
03-18-10, 16:33
I am here to officially thank you, Milkweed, for pm'ing me the address of that place on NPK. I went there today, and did as you said to do, and it went as you said it would. Well, except, as I walked in the front door, there was a Viet guy there opening the door for me and saying, "blow job ok! Blow job ok! " Ha ha ha ha There was no doubt I was entering the correct establishment. It don't look like much from the street, very discreet is what I would call it.

I picked a girl named Thu. 21 years old, fresh off the farm it seemed. Face about 9 3/4 I would say, body about an 8 or 8 1/2. Attitude about 15 or 20. Since I am leaving here on Sunday, I have to squeeze in a couple more visits to that place.

One thing was remiss, however. She told me to go downstairs and pay Mamasan. I proceeded to do just that, and when I handed her 200, 000 and indicated one of them was for Thu, she and another woman started explaining to me how the price was 100, 000 more. I dunno why. Anyone ever pay that there? Did I mess it up for everybody? I'm sorry if I did. All in all, it was great and way, way worth more than I paid, and well worth several more visits.

I have to admit though, my heart hurt a little bit. Here I am, an old fart in a curtained-off room with a 21 year old that I could just have well been seeing on TV tonight. One has to wonder at the turn of events that put her there, doing that job, with such grace, beauty and professionalism. What a country! I think, in the end, she enjoyed it more than I did. Or, that could just be ego talking; after all, I am an old fart. Ha ha ha ha ha ha

H is Out

Thanks for the information (and Johndao too). Here is my report.

I left my hotel to walk to the address provided. On the way there I was approached by a MotoBike girl. She pulled along side and said "boom boom" and motioned to get on the back of her bike.

She was cute but must have been about 4 foot nothing. I'm a 6'2" 250lbs man. I don't think her bike would handle me. Also, I was not about to get on a bike to be taken to parts unknown. So I passed.

I found the place on NPK. I went inside and they took me upstairs. The girl that took me was about 5 feet tall, sort of cute but nothing spectacular. I asked her how much and she told me 400k! According to other reports and information, I was expecting to pay 100K for the girl and 80k for the house. I tried to tell her I did not have that much but she was steady on her price. I motioned that it was too high and left. She didn't look too happy but oh well.

So I went to another spot on NPK. Same thing: 400k. So I left.

Is 400k now the price? It is still a bargain for us Americans but I don't want to overpay and spoil it for the rest.

Joe

Milkweed
03-19-10, 01:13
Is 400k now the price? It is still a bargain for us Americans but I don't want to overpay and spoil it for the rest.

Joe

OMG. No! John Dao already stated the price. It's 100,ooo to the girl. 80,ooo for the massage. Thanks for not paying 400,ooo that's way too much.

Johndao
03-19-10, 02:02
I found the place on NPK. I went inside and they took me upstairs. The girl that took me was about 5 feet tall, sort of cute but nothing spectacular. I asked her how much and she told me 400k! According to other reports and information, I was expecting to pay 100K for the girl and 80k for the house. I tried to tell her I did not have that much but she was steady on her price. I motioned that it was too high and left. She didn't look too happy but oh well.

So I went to another spot on NPK. Same thing: 400k. So I left.

Is 400k now the price? It is still a bargain for us Americans but I don't want to overpay and spoil it for the rest.

Joe
Ok, I don't know how many times to repeat this. Maybe use different words? Don't ask the fucking price! If she says it's 400k then it's 400k because one is fool enough to ask even though you have the benefit of the REAL info from this ISG Forum, you seem either unable or unwilling to comprehend it. Just give her 100k f***ing Dong after you cum in her mouth and 80k to the house or 100k if you want and LEAVE! If this is too difficult for you maybe you should find another place to monger like Thai or PI or the HBT bars.
JD

Joe Coodidge
03-19-10, 03:22
Ok, I don't know how many times to repeat this. Maybe use different words? Don't ask the fucking price! If she says it's 400k then it's 400k because one is fool enough to ask even though you have the benefit of the REAL info from this ISG Forum, you seem either unable or unwilling to comprehend it. Just give her 100k f***ing Dong after you cum in her mouth and 80k to the house or 100k if you want and LEAVE! If this is too difficult for you maybe you should find another place to monger like Thai or PI or the HBT bars.
JD

JD, you don't have to be so angry. This is a new area for me so the purpose of this forum I thought was to ask questions and learn.

I tried to give her 100K and she wanted more. I told her I don't have more (I did but I did not want to let her know). Was I supposed to force her to do it?

I'm at a disadvantage since I don't speak the language.

I comprehend what you are saying but sometimes it does not work out the same way. Would you have rather that I pay 400K? I think not.

Johndao
03-19-10, 06:54
JD, you don't have to be so angry. This is a new area for me so the purpose of this forum I thought was to ask questions and learn.

I tried to give her 100K and she wanted more. I told her I don't have more (I did but I did not want to let her know). Was I supposed to force her to do it?

I'm at a disadvantage since I don't speak the language.

I comprehend what you are saying but sometimes it does not work out the same way. Would you have rather that I pay 400K? I think not.
Joe, I tried to be helpful, you seem not to understand again and again so I feel I have wasted my time which is a valuable commodity to me.

You are stuck on talking about 'what she wanted' which is irrelevant. You don't ask or talk about money in normal VN BJ and/or full sex places. You know the deal in advance (the purpose of the Forum), you do it, you pay. That's what the Forum is for. If you don't or can't get it because of whatever reason, sorry.
JD

Hardlock1
03-19-10, 07:57
John,

I have always been under the impression that Jackson named this a "Forum", a place for open discussion and opinions on a very narrow spectrum and a few subjects. Mongering, Sex, Prices, Places, and whatnot. When a Senior Member gets his ass chewed for asking questions, then I have to question the validity of Jackson's naming of this place we communicate in.

Please let me say that my heroes are you, JohnDao, Asian Rain, SugarBaba, CunnintStunt, etc, the guys with over a few hundred posts, and I have learned so much from all of you. I would rather get shot than to mess up your mongering ground, as I am sure Joe would also. RTFF is a singular issue, and I am sure we all understand it rather well, but still, as Vietnam can sometimes be distorted, unclear and just plain side-ways, so can situations you run into every day, mongering included. I mess up sometimes, unintentionally, but I mess up anyway. I correct it where I can. Joe PM'd me, and asked me about that place, I messaged him back and told him, in detail. When it didn't go the way I told him, he walked out, and got back on the Forum for clarification. That is highly laudable and commendable of him, and is exactly what a Senior Member would be reasonably expected to do! IMHO, there is no ass-chewing for that! No sireeeee! I aint saying you owe him an apology, (but you do), but I am saying that you have taken a position of great leadership here in the Vietnam Forum. We all look up to you and respect you for your more than generous contributions. So teach, oh wise one. Teach. Guide us, lead us, correct us, Mentor us. But remember, John, the wise words from the Ancient Wise One in the movie, High Road To China: "The Oxen is slow, but the Earth is Patient!"

We are just Oxen, John. So lead us. My old Grandpappy told me once you and catch more flies with Sugar than you can with Salt! Ha ha ha ha ha

H is out

Joe Coodidge
03-19-10, 07:58
Joe, I tried to be helpful, you seem not to understand again and again so I feel I have wasted my time which is a valuable commodity to me.

You are stuck on talking about 'what she wanted' which is irrelevant. You don't ask or talk about money in normal VN BJ and/or full sex places. You know the deal in advance (the purpose of the Forum), you do it, you pay. That's what the Forum is for. If you don't or can't get it because of whatever reason, sorry.
JD

I guess you and I have different personalities and ways of handling things.
For the record I took out 100K and she said no, it was 400K. I tried at 100K but she would not agree and I left. Maybe you would just not worry about what she says and put your dick in her mouth. That is not me.

Nevertheless, I appreciate your help.

Joe

Scoubidick
03-19-10, 09:29
I would not interfer but one detail : it is you or not is not taken into account.

They are like that. Dick mouth-pot. You don't have any substance to create where there is none.

Dragonfly22
03-19-10, 11:39
Joe, for the sake of argument you are missing the point. I've been to these places alot. You don't discuss money, just go upstairs do the deed and hand her 100k. Walk downstairs and pay the house ticket, they never have change. If you go in asking questions like a newby you're going to get treated like a newby. Put on the persona of "knowing the score".

Crocodilexp
03-19-10, 17:10
Joe, for the sake of argument you are missing the point. I've been to these places alot. You don't discuss money, just go upstairs do the deed and hand her 100k. Walk downstairs and pay the house ticket, they never have change. If you go in asking questions like a newby you're going to get treated like a newby. Put on the persona of "knowing the score".

This might be one approach, but not the only approach.

I am a newbie, speaking about 5 words of Vietnamese. I always negotiate beforehand, and always get a decent price in these places. After coming into the shop, I say and gesture "blowjob", then wait for them to say something, then gesture 2 and suggest "hai cham, ok?" (200k), pointing 1 for house 1 for the girl. I only go upstairs after all is clear.

Done this 10+ times. Worst outcome was being asked 150k for the girl, which came down to 100k after I turned to leave. Best was 160k total (they said it right after I said "blowjob").

In most places it's 100k for the house (paid either before or after) + 100 for the girl (*always* after), but some charge all upfront.

Even if you try to pretend you know the score, they will still see you're a newbie (who are you kidding?). When they try tricks, if I didn't clearly state things upfront, I'm in a worse position.

Once a girl was stalling in the room and and trying to get away with a HJ when BJ was agreed on. After trying to correct her 3 times with no cooperation, I paid zero tip, and left (100k for house paid before we went). Had I not made things clear upfront, I would not have the guts to do this.

After the fact, what do you do if they ask you for 500k? Sure, you can just pay the going rate and work your way out, but that feels like inviting trouble given you're on their premises.

The situation is very different than the implicit "up to you" from a Thai girl when you're doing the deed in your or neutral place.

In the end, they're service providers, they do want your business, and there's plenty of competition, so you can always walk out. I think the *real* root problem is that most of us are not assertive when it comes to negotiating prices (since we're used to fixed prices in the west).

Warbucks
03-19-10, 21:19
I guess you and I have different personalities and ways of handling things.

For the record I took out 100K and she said no, it was 400K. I tried at 100K but she would not agree and I left. Maybe you would just not worry about what she says and put your dick in her mouth. That is not me.

Nevertheless, I appreciate your help.

JoeJoe we see so many reports from SE Asia written by the white guys. Can you tell the “Brothers” how it was being a Brother in Vietnam? What did you experience that was unique due to you being Black? Any racism dealing with the locals or the girls talking size and shit?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=brotha

I looked all over the internet and could not find one report written by a Brother and his experiences in modern Vietnam. I searched ISG and all I could come up with was a rather “colorful” (pun intended) report by board member Wendella in reference to the African residents who lurk the streets of HCM.

Joe Coodidge
03-19-10, 23:10
This might be one approach, but not the only approach.

I am a newbie, speaking about 5 words of Vietnamese. I always negotiate beforehand, and always get a decent price in these places. After coming into the shop, I say and gesture "blowjob", then wait for them to say something, then gesture 2 and suggest "hai cham, ok?" (200k), pointing 1 for house 1 for the girl. I only go upstairs after all is clear.

Done this 10+ times. Worst outcome was being asked 150k for the girl, which came down to 100k after I turned to leave. Best was 160k total (they said it right after I said "blowjob").

In most places it's 100k for the house (paid either before or after) + 100 for the girl (*always* after), but some charge all upfront.

Even if you try to pretend you know the score, they will still see you're a newbie (who are you kidding?). When they try tricks, if I didn't clearly state things upfront, I'm in a worse position.

Once a girl was stalling in the room and and trying to get away with a HJ when BJ was agreed on. After trying to correct her 3 times with no cooperation, I paid zero tip, and left (100k for house paid before we went). Had I not made things clear upfront, I would not have the guts to do this.

After the fact, what do you do if they ask you for 500k? Sure, you can just pay the going rate and work your way out, but that feels like inviting trouble given you're on their premises.

The situation is very different than the implicit "up to you" from a Thai girl when you're doing the deed in your or neutral place.

In the end, they're service providers, they do want your business, and there's plenty of competition, so you can always walk out. I think the *real* root problem is that most of us are not assertive when it comes to negotiating prices (since we're used to fixed prices in the west).

Thanks for the posting. Many of us (yes, us stupid Americans) have different approaches that are not that assertive. It takes a little getting used to mongering in a different country. Sure, people might say it is ok to do this or to do that but still, I don't want to get into trouble. In one establishment in another country, I almost got my ass kicked by the bouncer.

Johndao
03-20-10, 18:32
Joe, for the sake of argument you are missing the point. I've been to these places alot. You don't discuss money, just go upstairs do the deed and hand her 100k. Walk downstairs and pay the house ticket, they never have change. If you go in asking questions like a newby you're going to get treated like a newby. Put on the persona of "knowing the score".
Yes Dragonfly, thank you. You've got the point that Hardlock missed. Joe was given explicit directions again and again. He was told the place, the deal, the price. He was told how to do it. But it was too difficult for him to follow. Instead he went in to the shop and pretended that he was NOT a senior Forum Member, he pretended that he did not know the price, that he did not know wahat was up. So he asked some 19yo with a third grade education how much the BJ is and she said 400k and he ran out the door and back to his computer to ask his question.

He did the same thing on street action. He was told exactly where and when to go. He went and saw TONS of the girls exactly as described to him, when and where. And then he ran back to his computer and asked again, are THOSE the girls? Read AR's reply where he wrote I was too kind.

I mean this is not hand-holding. We are mature mongering men and I give the exact score and right-on directions. If it's not your nature, then forget it. Go to a big hotel and get a $20 HJ or to a HBT bar where they speak English and get a 600k BJ upstairs.
JD

Happy Harry
03-22-10, 15:37
In this matter I absolutely agree with JD and understand his frustation. Excellent advice was given and yet Joe didn't manage to pull through.
I kinda get where Joe is coming from. He's obviously from Australia and women there are a lot more dominating/equal to us. The best places for him to visit are the fixed priced places in Thailand or PI.

I remember the first few times when I went to a brothel. Guess he's having the same sort of problem. Thanks Joe for not screwing up the playground for the Viet guys. =D

Happy Harry
03-22-10, 16:34
Oops, just read one of Joe's posts. He's american. Aussie and American women are the same. *Shudder*

Just read Joe's post in the massage thread. Lol, seems like he's a pro just needing a warmup in the asian environment =D

Pokey Penguin
03-23-10, 07:11
Re the 80,000d entry fee that JohnDao refers to...I have taken the advice of the forum and now am paying no more than 200K total for the bj. I don't mind paying 100K instead of 80K to the house, though I'd rather pay the house 80K and give 120K to the girl. But now that I've paid 100 I doubt if they'll let me pay 80.

Problem is that some of the shops want the whole 200 in advance and some don't. In the former case, one has to clarify that the 200 includes the tip. This can be difficult if you don't speak the language.

JD, this 80K entry fee and 100K tip...how long have these prices been in effect? The last year has seen galloping inflation and very large VND currency devaluations. One would think that the fee would have to rise to keep the girls' earnings from diminishing.

Pokey Penguin
03-23-10, 07:22
wendella's recent posts about the difficulty of being a picky monger really hit home for me, because i'm picky (as well as being pokey) about girls too. and this causes me many problems in vn.

when i go out, i'm not just looking for a quick come, i am also looking for a girl who could possibly become a long term relationship, even a wife. please don't razz me about that -- i have tons of respect for working girls and admire them tremendously. i don't regard them as evil or inferior to regular girls at all. i adore them and am totally sympathetic with them. also, at my advanced middle age, i could probably wive a working girl who is much younger than me easier than i could do the same with a regular girl. (see, it's really all about self-interest :) and i get to see what her body really looks like right away without wasting months of dates, dinners and gifts on a regular girl before finding out that she has no tits, it was just a padded bra (as happened to me last autumn).

so, for starters, i'd like to find a wg to service me who is close enough to what i'm looking for, that i'd want to ask for her phone number. but it's quite hard to find her in vn, for many reasons.

first reason is that 90% or the wgs in vn seem to be very small girls, and i'm a big guy and want a fairly big girl. i want a girl minimum 5 feet 3 inches tall and 110 pounds. and the average height and weight of vn wgs seems to be 4 feet 11 inches and 90-95 pounds.

the second reason is that most of the girls are too young for me. they all seem to say that they're 22 and i'd like to find a girl who is 28-35. (why do they all say they're 22? is this what they are tutored to say? is that a number that indicates to the monger that they are of comfortably legal age yet still young enough to be hot? just another sales tactic?) ideally i'd like to find a girl who already has a child because i don't want to make any new children and i know that all vn girls want children.

so here's the predicament. i walk up to a hot toc or girly bar or whatever, and i want to check out the girls. that takes time, because they're sitting down and that makes it hard to judge their height. but in vn they don't give you any time. high pressure sales tactics are the norm in vn, whether at a hai ba trung bar or at a souvenir shop or at a restaurant, where a tout always comes to pressure you while you are looking at the menu outside.

in vn, if you just want to look at the merchandise and don't buy, they get angry. (maybe only if you're a foreigner?)

so...because i dread these high pressure tactics, i often try to peek in the bar or hot toc without going inside. but when i do that, the touts outside go bonkers. they don't want anyone doing that, maybe because it draws attention to the establishment.

it is unnerving enough that you know that all the passersby and motorcyclists on the street know what you're up to. add the high pressure and you can see why it's so unpleasant to monger in vn.

but let me get more precise. i have often had the experience that i go to a place, say a girl bar in vt, walk in, check out the girls for 20 seconds and walk out because all the girls are too small and too young. maybe i go back to the bar again a week later to see if there are any new girls. i have found that after you do this 2 or 3 times, the touts outside wave you away and refuse you entry if you come by again.

this has also happened to me at hot tocs. now for some reason the tout at the first hot toc on npk waves me away when i try to check out the girls, even though i did actually have a paid service there once last year. maybe he is a new tout and doesn't know that. because the last few times, i just looked and didn't buy, now he won't let me even look.

i've started taking girls who don't really interest me at the hot tocs just so that i can earn enough good will with the touts to be able to visit again in a week and check the girls out again without being waved away. perhaps there's some mathematical formula that can be applied...one paid service allows you to look and not buy, maybe 2 times? then the third time you get waved away?

but this limits me because if i take a girl in the first hot toc i walk into, one that doesn't really interest me for future possibilities, i don't get to see who is in the other hot tocs on the street. maybe the elusive girl i'm looking for is in the other hot toc. i want to go to all four hot tocs and check all the girls out before making a decision, and i can't do that.

i absolutely loathe these touts and the vietnamese attitude that you cannot just look, you have to buy. and this is a big problem for those of us who are picky, for whatever reason, and are looking for more than just a generic set of lips and boobs, or whatever.

not long ago i was cruising dbl and walked into a hot toc for 15 seconds to check out the girls. these hot tocs don't have the creepy male touts that the npk hot tocs and all the girly bars have, but they still get angry. when i walked out without buying, one of the girls threw some trash at me. i think i had done the same thing maybe 2 months earlier, walked in to this shop briefly to check out the girls and then walked out. i recall some curses were hurled at me that time. the second time, i got trash thrown at me. anger at someone who looks and doesn't buy seems to be a vn personality trait, or am i mistaken?

maybe some of the more experienced here can tell me -- what is the proper way to behave at a hot toc when you don't like any of the girls on offer? what can you do to gain the freedom to just look and not buy, without losing the right to go in the shop again in the future? what are your experiences in this regard?

if none of the girls appeal to you, will the hot tocs allow you to just sit for a while and wait for other, perhaps hotter girls to finish their massages and come downstairs?

i have occasionally tried to deal with this problem by walking in a bar and just buying a bottle of water or beer to keep them from getting angry at me. but this means i waste time and money. i quickly see that there's no girl there that i like, and i won't buy them ladydrinks (which, for some reason, are 65,000 in vt and just 50,000 on hbt).

my situation is perhaps different from yours. many of you like to drink so it's no big deal. i don't like to drink much. i don't go to bars to drink, i go to meet the woman i'm looking for. i'm also on a limited budget.

what are your thoughts and experiences re this problem?

thanks

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Johndao
03-23-10, 08:09
JD, this 80K entry fee and 100K tip...how long have these prices been in effect? The last year has seen galloping inflation and very large VND currency devaluations. One would think that the fee would have to rise to keep the girls' earnings from diminishing.
I used to pay 50k and 50k as late as early 2002. Don't worry about the value of the Dong relative to the Dollar, that is irrelevant to them. They are selling a service, not a price sensitive imported product. If their earnings diminish they have to work more and harder like everyone else except the landlords. The DBP shops were charging 70k from 2007 till now and they have recently gone to 80k and one I think asked 90k. 100k to the girls is a lot already compared to their earning possibilities in other jobs such as farming and factory work. In the factory they will earn 40k per day for hard labor in hot conditions. All they can do is suck, fuck, cut hair, do nails, farm, labor and work in a factory. Don't worry about the 100k for 20 mins of sucking, it is the easiest, fastest, least labor intensive money they have ever or will ever earn. Go Socialism!
JD

Johndao
03-23-10, 08:25
When I go out, I'm not just looking for a quick come, I am also looking for a girl who could possibly become a long term relationship, even a wife. Please don't razz me about that -- I have tons of respect for working girls and admire them tremendously. I don't regard them as evil or inferior to regular girls at all. I adore them and am totally sympathetic with them.
Penguin,
This is quite a bizarre report in my opinion. Not a report really. I am just quoting the beginning of it so readers know the report I am referring to. I won't repeat all of it here.

First of all, I think you should smile a bit when you go into these places and you should learn a few words of Vietnamese. At least say what you are looking for and let them help you.

You say you enter these places for 15 or 20 seconds and walk out? And do it repeatedly? That is weird behaviour and it will get you the treatment you got and deserve. At least take the time to peruse the goods in a respectful way. You said you do respect these girls and want to marry one, right?

Were you the proprietor of a retail business such a clothing shop or restaurant and had someone come in and walk out in 15 to 20 seconds, what would you think?

I very often go into a place and say hello and look around and see who I'd like. And if nobody suits me I smile and leave. Give a guy 5000 D if he watched your bike. And next time you come back and take one you like, it's ok. Next time you don't. These places and the full service massage places are bunched together and I will often go in 2 or 3 and check them out before I decide and nobody or place has ever had a problem with that as I act friendly and they know I will be back and have been there before.

I advise you to start again and change your attitude and behavior. Who wants some creepy old guy coming in and perving on the girls for 15 seconds and then walking out? Nobody.
JD

Pokey Penguin
03-24-10, 08:29
Jd,

The reason I only stay 15 seconds is it only takes that long to see if there are any faces that appeal to me. First I look at faces, then height. Also I feel, perhaps wrongly, that I am unwelcome and intruding on their time, getting them all excited that they will make a sale only to disappoint and anger them most of the time. Also it's a personal slight to the girls if I walk out, because it means I don't find them attractive. I've developed this routine based on past experience. Perhaps you're right and I'm doing it all wrong.

I do know some Vietnamese but can't speak it, only write it. I sometimes hand them a note asking if they have any tall girls. Last time I did this they brought out a girl who was perhaps 5 feet 2 inches.

You are missing my point. You said you will often walk out, and it's okay because next time, you come back and take one of the girls, so you don't have any problem with being waved away. But next time, I will come back and most likely NOT want to take anyone again, because, as I said in the beginning, I'm picky and looking for a very specific and hard to find kind of girl.

I have started taking these girls who I don't want, as I mentioned, as a way to earn the touts' good will. If I can get that first place on NPK to let me in again, for sure I will take a girl, just to end their hostility toward me. (assuming they accept the 200K. When I was there last year I foolishly paid them the 120K ticket price they demanded and the 100K tip was for HJ only, not BJ, for which they wanted a 200K tip).

I don't ride a bike, I walk to these places. But I love your idea of tipping the touts. Maybe if I tip them 5000 each time I look at the girls and leave, this will solve my problem.

Sorry to give you the impression I'm a creepy old codger. Actually, I'm middle aged but look 15 years younger, quite decent looking, and have had 22 year old WGs actually fall for me a few times, but unfortunately they were always too short as well as too young.

To your question, what would I think if I were a store proprietor and someone came in, looked around for 15 seconds and walked out: I would think the person doesn't have tons of time on his hands to waste, sees that I don't have what he wants, and left.

I'm intrigued by your statement that these places and the FS MPs are often bunched together. I am not aware of any FS MPs in the NPK area, only in VT.

Also, surely NPK and DBL are not the only hot toc streets in HCMC. Has anyone ever found similar streets in districts 5, 6, 10, 11, etc? Of course there are a few such shops on THD in District 5 near the Dong Khanh hotel, but a lot fewer than there used to B.

I wish there were such hot tocs in VT but I've never found one there. An old post on this forum said there was one on Le Loi St in VT (or Le Lai St) but I checked that out and it was not true, or not true anymore.

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Pokey Penguin
03-24-10, 17:29
Part of my problem is that the NPK hot tocs have an accessibility issue. Not only are they guarded by touts, the shops themselves do not front on the street; they are inset 15 feet or so from the sidewalk, and the glass doors have obstructions that prevent you from seeing inside from the street. That means you have to pass the gatekeeping touts in order to see what talent is available inside.

Contrast that situation with, say, the hot tocs on CQ near THD. These seem to be the same kind of operation, but the difference is that it is very easy to walk by these hot tocs and get a good view of the girls inside, so you can very quickly see if there's any girl there that you like without having to deal with a tout and without having to go inside the shop and disappoint them by not taking a girl.

Johndao
03-25-10, 03:14
Part of my problem is that the NPK hot tocs have an accessibility issue. Not only are they guarded by touts, the shops themselves do not front on the street; they are inset 15 feet or so from the sidewalk, and the glass doors have obstructions that prevent you from seeing inside from the street. That means you have to pass the gatekeeping touts in order to see what talent is available inside.

Contrast that situation with, say, the hot tocs on CQ near THD. These seem to be the same kind of operation, but the difference is that it is very easy to walk by these hot tocs and get a good view of the girls inside, so you can very quickly see if there's any girl there that you like without having to deal with a tout and without having to go inside the shop and disappoint them by not taking a girl.
PP, I don't think the guys on NPK are touts at all. They do not beckon customers inside and that's what a tout does, right? They are motorbike parkers and minders, that's all. Of course they would aslo catch someone running out without paying, but that is not their main purpose. They are the lowest workers in these places, not touts at all. And as far as I see, all the Hot Toc BJ places on NPK are right on the street front, not set back at all. I don't know where you mean. There are some Karaoke places that are set back.

I understand different strokes and all that but I fail to see what difference a girl's height makes when you are employing her for a 20 minute CIM BJ.

Also, like I said, 15 seconds to browse is just too short and it's weird to do it again and again. You only have to look at their reaction to know there is something wrong with this behavior. Smile, be friendly. Give the guy outside 5 or 10k Dong and some cigarettes if you have. It's easy to buy goodwill here and difficult to offend people as you have apparently done.

Also, just take a girl who is ok for you and come back next time to look for a taller one. Height is prized here and girls with height can often get a lot from local men. BJ in Hot Toc is a low job and tall and attractive girls have other options for earning good money without such dirty work, so the girls in these places are usually so-so in some respect although very pretty and sexy in others.

Now, on to Cong Quynh near THD Hot Tocs. I have often seen them but never been in. What's the deal there? HJ, BJ, take-away? Prices?
JD

MutantChicken
03-25-10, 04:50
PP, I don't think the guys on NPK are touts at all. They do not beckon customers inside and that's what a tout does, right? They are motorbike parkers and minders, that's all. Of course they would aslo catch someone running out without paying, but that is not their main purpose. They are the lowest workers in these places, not touts at all. And as far as I see, all the Hot Toc BJ places on NPK are right on the street front, not set back at all. I don't know where you mean. There are some Karaoke places that are set back.

I understand different strokes and all that but I fail to see what difference a girl's height makes when you are employing her for a 20 minute CIM BJ.

Also, like I said, 15 seconds to browse is just too short and it's weird to do it again and again. You only have to look at their reaction to know there is something wrong with this behavior. Smile, be friendly. Give the guy outside 5 or 10k Dong and some cigarettes if you have. It's easy to buy goodwill here and difficult to offend people as you have apparently done.

Also, just take a girl who is ok for you and come back next time to look for a taller one. Height is prized here and girls with height can often get a lot from local men. BJ in Hot Toc is a low job and tall and attractive girls have other options for earning good money without such dirty work, so the girls in these places are usually so-so in some respect although very pretty and sexy in others.

Now, on to Cong Quynh near THD Hot Tocs. I have often seen them but never been in. What's the deal there? HJ, BJ, take-away? Prices?

JDCong quyen hot tocs are slaoons ie get a massage straight no hanky panky and a facial 100k for gal around 100k for the shop, not your thing JD but the gals are pretty.

MutantChicken
03-25-10, 04:57
Jd,

The reason I only stay 15 seconds is it only takes that long to see if there are any faces that appeal to me. First I look at faces, then height. Also I feel, perhaps wrongly, that I am unwelcome and intruding on their time, getting them all excited that they will make a sale only to disappoint and anger them most of the time. Also it's a personal slight to the girls if I walk out, because it means I don't find them attractive. I've developed this routine based on past experience. Perhaps you're right and I'm doing it all wrong.

I do know some Vietnamese but can't speak it, only write it. I sometimes hand them a note asking if they have any tall girls. Last time I did this they brought out a girl who was perhaps 5 feet 2 inches.

You are missing my point. You said you will often walk out, and it's okay because next time, you come back and take one of the girls, so you don't have any problem with being waved away. But next time, I will come back and most likely NOT want to take anyone again, because, as I said in the beginning, I'm picky and looking for a very specific and hard to find kind of girl.

I have started taking these girls who I don't want, as I mentioned, as a way to earn the touts' good will. If I can get that first place on NPK to let me in again, for sure I will take a girl, just to end their hostility toward me. (assuming they accept the 200K. When I was there last year I foolishly paid them the 120K ticket price they demanded and the 100K tip was for HJ only, not BJ, for which they wanted a 200K tip).

I don't ride a bike, I walk to these places. But I love your idea of tipping the touts. Maybe if I tip them 5000 each time I look at the girls and leave, this will solve my problem.

Sorry to give you the impression I'm a creepy old codger. Actually, I'm middle aged but look 15 years younger, quite decent looking, and have had 22 year old WGs actually fall for me a few times, but unfortunately they were always too short as well as too young.

To your question, what would I think if I were a store proprietor and someone came in, looked around for 15 seconds and walked out: I would think the person doesn't have tons of time on his hands to waste, sees that I don't have what he wants, and left.

I'm intrigued by your statement that these places and the FS MPs are often bunched together. I am not aware of any FS MPs in the NPK area, only in VT.

Also, surely NPK and DBL are not the only hot toc streets in HCMC. Has anyone ever found similar streets in districts 5, 6, 10, 11, etc? Of course there are a few such shops on THD in District 5 near the Dong Khanh hotel, but a lot fewer than there used to B.

I wish there were such hot tocs in VT but I've never found one there. An old post on this forum said there was one on Le Loi St in VT (or Le Lai St) but I checked that out and it was not true, or not true anymore.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.Pokey if you are as attractive as you claim then you should be abe to find a tall attarctive gf and in most cases even if you do what you do thereshould be no probs as gals love good looking men. My point is though whilst you think you are that way doesn't mean thats reality. But another thing is it seems you want to eat wagu beef and pay for the cost of a sausage. The gals who work at 200k BJ places are doing because they are not attracive enuff fo otehr higher paying jobs, so if your looking for a tall attractive gal willing to be for 200k then your dreaming.

Johndao
03-25-10, 07:51
Cong quyen hot tocs are slaoons ie get a massage straight no hanky panky and a facial 100k for gal around 100k for the shop, not your thing JD but the gals are pretty.
Thanks Chicken and welcome back to posting. I've been getting crankier and grumpier in some of my replies lately. Need you back here! I guess you are frustrated with much of the stuff you read here and are lurking. Just my guess.

I am talking about the lower part of Cong Quynh between THD and NCT as circled on the attached map. I don't mean Le Duyen and places like that where the girls are lit up in the window like at a jewelery shop. Just the small HT's but with doors. Is that what you mean?

BTW, Penguin, now that I think of it, Le Duyen and such shops are the perfect places for you to perve on the girls from outside. The places are designed for that and welcome it (to a degree). All girls are visible from the street, all done up in sexy little dresses and lots of makeup and you can see how high their shoes are and how tall they are. There is not sex inside but you can make friends and get numbers and ask for a date. Surely you can find a wife tall enough there! There are now 4 or 5 Le Duyen around town and others just like it. Try Bui Thi Xuan St and also Truong Dinh near the Indian Temple. And Ng Cu Trinh St for some new ones.
JD

Hardlock1
03-25-10, 12:15
Hi all, I am back home in California now, and I had a reasonably good time there for my 50 day stay in Vietnam. As usual, my spouse availed herself of the opportunity to not let me get too far astray. However, I did manage to get out a bit.

We traveled up to Hue and to DaNang. I just wanted to let you know the reports on those places are pretty much right on. In Hue, we stayed in a hotel inside the Citadel, and they boasted a Massage Parlor that was supposed to be pretty good. Now, there has been quite a bit of talk in this forum about the Viets and how they try to squeeze money out of you, which is in their nature, I believe.

Anyway, I tried the Massage place in the hotel one evening. I walked in about 8:45, as we had gotten back late from touring. There were 6 or 7 girls sitting around, all dressed like they were leaving. All were pleasant and nice, and when I saw one I liked, I pointed to her and asked her to give me a massage. She stood up and asked the Mamasan to take me to a room. I got to the room and undressed and another lady comes in, 40ish, rounded and matronly looking, and shows me to the Sauna and shower. When I came out, there she still was. I asked her what happened to the girl I chose, and she said "she go home".

On to the massage. It wasnt good. It was horrific. I came to find out, it is a straight massage place. Thats all. Nothing else offered. Period. So, when I got dressed, and walked out to the front, the Masseuse following me, she said something to the Mamasan in Viet, and Mamasan looked at me and said "you give her tip? " And I replied "what the hell for, she didn't do anything! " Then I just walked out and went to my room. If you are looking for places to stay in Hue, Thanh Noi in the Citadel is about $23 a night, and is more than decent to stay in, AC included. But don't take that hotel for the Massage services.

In DaNang, we stayed at the Pacific Hotel, downtown. Again, same thing. One afternoon, I went up to the 8th floor, but noone was in the Sauna. I called and they said they would send someone. I stood out in the hall for about 15 minutes, until one of the serving girls from the Restaurant saw me standing around out there, and invited me into their little kitchen to sit down while I waited. There were 4 or 5 of the servers/waitress girls running in and out of there, all of them cute. One of them, I nicknamed her "Babyface", was 26 years old, and all of 4 feet 10 inches, with an absolutely world-class ass. My god, I was enthralled. I sat there for an hour and a half waiting for the Sauna people, and during that time, I got to talk and joke around with the girls. Most of them were in their early 20's and cuter than new buttons! After a while, the old Asia-Mongering genes inside me started to kick in, and I began to realize, those girls were being a lot more nice to me than they had to B.

One girl spoke English fairly well, so, I hit on her. Just to see what I could get. No, she blushed and said she couldn't visit my room. Then, the other girls wanted to know why she was blushing, and she told them! Oh boy! I thought I was in trouble! I wasnt. Two of the girls offered to visit me. Including Babyface. LOL

Finally, deciding to do nothing about all that for the moment, the Sauna lady came. Took me upstairs. Immaculate room, tables, everything. Cleanest place I ever saw in Vietnam. She was a matronly 40ish lady also, but cute. She gave me the best massage I have ever had in my life, bar none! And nothing else. Nada, zilch, zip. Thats all folks!

So, depending on what you are looking for, you now know where to go, or where NOT to go in Hue and Danang. Me? I was forced to seek redress from my beautiful wife! Of course, that DOES always work! Ha ha ha ha ha

H is out

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Happy Harry
03-25-10, 14:18
Will be back in HCMC this Sunday for 2 weeks. Does anyone want me to bring anything from Australia for them e.g. Vegemite, Victoria Bitter...
More than happy to mail it if you're too busy to meet up. I just wanted to give back to this very helpful forum =D

Wendella
03-25-10, 15:40
I am talking about the lower part of Cong Quynh between THD and NCT as circled on the attached map. I don't mean Le Duyen and places like that where the girls are lit up in the window like at a jewelery shop. Just the small HT's but with doors. Is that what you mean?


I'm pretty sure MC means Le Duyen and the one other down in that stretch of CQ between Bui Vien and PNL streets. The ones at the places on CQ near THD aren't nearly as cute as at those 2 places... which makes me wonder what services are on offer there. But... not enough to try. They're just not that cute. There's 3 of those shops very close together on one block, with a Hat Voi Nhau (drink/sing/hug) in between them (that 1 open at night).

Btw, for anyone into the Le Duyen type places, there's 3 more like it on Ng Cu Trinh street near that huge Viva Cafe (across street from Metropole hotel) just near THD also, so in this same general area. Tons of girls in those, and all look to be about as cute as the Le Duyen ones. In fact, I think one of the 3 might even be a new Le Duyen.

Pokey Penguin
03-25-10, 16:22
Jd and M. Chicken, well, I've never seen anyone I wanted in the CQ hot tocs near THD, so never went inside. If Mutant is correct and they don't do any extras, that is sure surprising because it certainly looks like the kind of hot toc that provides extras. Sexily dressed girls lounging around at night, not cutting hair. I thought that was the giveaway.

You are quite correct that tall girls are prized here. I figured that out some time ago. Because they are prized, they tend to be under-represented in the ranks of WGs, because they are better able to find a rich husband or sugar daddy.

But it's still possible to find a tall pretty one. I did see a tall pretty one at one of the NPK hot tocs last year, the very first time I went there. But the guy in charge was trying to overcharge me, I thought, so I hesitated. While I hesitated some local guy came in and took the tall girl. After I decided I wanted her, I told them I would wait until she returned. But I got tired of waiting and went to a different hot toc and took someone else.

I have often regretted this as the next day, this girl was gone. They told me she would be back next week but she never came back.

I learned a lesson from this. When you see a tall one you like, pounce. You will probably never get another chance.

I suspect these girls don't last more than a few weeks at these places before they quit. It's pretty dirty work. Or do the bosses chase them out because the clients always want to see new faces?

M. Chicken, kindly re-read my posts. I never said that I was "attractive" or "good looking, " I said I was "quite decent looking. " Some girls do think I'm handsome, but I did not make that claim. I regard myself as formerly handsome. But certainly not the decrepit old codger-perv that JD suggested.

Yeah, I know about Le Duyen and similar places. You're right, it would be a good place to hunt. I've just never had time to do it. Maybe I'll give it a try. But I hate all the makeup. I've known so many SEA girls who were white when I met them but eventually you discover that they are really deep tan, after you've wasted a lot of money on them. Like the Asian men, I really dig white skin, but I suspect in most cases, it's makeup.

JD, you're right, they're not touts, that's the wrong word. Gatekeepers is perhaps better. But are we talking about the same hot tocs? 3 of the 4 hot tocs on NPK are inset from the street. Meaning, you have to walk some distance from the sidewalk to get to the door. When you say they are right on the streetfront, are you talking about the hot tocs that are on NPK in some parallel universe?

You have the gatekeepers sitting out front, then when you pass them, you must walk 10 or 15 feet to get to the door. (I'm not a good judge of distance but that's my estimate.)

And the fourth hot toc is actually inside a building and totally invisible from the street except for a sign. Actually, though, that one seems more laid back and I've had no problems with them.

Thanks for your advice, JD, I'll take it and hopefully do better next time.

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Mash Potatoes
03-26-10, 03:44
[QUOTE=Pokey Penguin]Jd and M. Chicken, well, I've never seen anyone I wanted in the CQ hot tocs near THD, so never went inside. If Mutant is correct and they don't do any extras, that is sure surprising because it certainly looks like the kind of hot toc that provides extras. Sexily dressed girls lounging around at night, not cutting hair. I thought that was the giveaway.

The Hoc Toc places on BTX and Cong Quynh. Le Duyen etc. Are probably your best bets.

They're not good places for immediate action but a lot of my clients request that I take them there, simply because most of the girls there are pretty. And you will get tall ones and most importantly, you will get girls who want to marry.

These places 'behave' more as they are all located in central D1 so you won't get to BJ, HJ or any J's, just a hair wash, a simple massage and some chatter. If you want, you'll get a phone number to follow up with.

I've taken some of these girls 'out' and they are all willing and looking for a partner or someone to settle with. Generally, they are girls who come from poor families but don't like to work hard jobs; their pretty looks allows them to work in these places.

Treat as some simple stress relief, go for a hair wash and you'd be surprised with what can come up from these places.

Johndao
03-26-10, 09:27
JD, you're right, they're not touts, that's the wrong word. Gatekeepers is perhaps better. But are we talking about the same hot tocs? 3 of the 4 hot tocs on NPK are inset from the street. Meaning, you have to walk some distance from the sidewalk to get to the door. When you say they are right on the streetfront, are you talking about the hot tocs that are on NPK in some parallel universe?

You have the gatekeepers sitting out front, then when you pass them, you must walk 10 or 15 feet to get to the door. (I'm not a good judge of distance but that's my estimate.)

And the fourth hot toc is actually inside a building and totally invisible from the street except for a sign. Actually, though, that one seems more laid back and I've had no problems with them.

Actually there is only one Hot Toc on NPK that I go to (third location on the street already) and I have been going there for years. Same 'company' runs two others nearby as well. The motorbike ramp is right on the street and front door no more than 2 meters from the street. I just go directly there, I never even notice any other places except the HT before it with the blue door that does only HJ.

I don't know which places you mean PP because I don't pay attention. I am sure they are there if you say so. Never been, probably never will.

BTW, general rule in VN, if it looks like something is happening inside, nothing is happening inside. If you can't see anything, something may be happening inside. Le Duyen and type places: you can see a lot, thus nothing but hairwash happening. NPK HT shops, can't see anything, lots of CIM and pussy probing happening. HBT and LTT Bars, can't see anything, something is happening.

JD

BBBJ
03-26-10, 20:21
Hi Johndao,

I arrived in HCMC today (am a frequent visitor) and would like to check out the Hot Toc on NPK that you always goto.

Would you mind pinging me the address or some more specific directions?

Thank you very much in advance.



Actually there is only one Hot Toc on NPK that I go to (third location on the street already) and I have been going there for years. Same 'company' runs two others nearby as well. The motorbike ramp is right on the street and front door no more than 2 meters from the street. I just go directly there, I never even notice any other places except the HT before it with the blue door that does only HJ.

I don't know which places you mean PP because I don't pay attention. I am sure they are there if you say so. Never been, probably never will.

BTW, general rule in VN, if it looks like something is happening inside, nothing is happening inside. If you can't see anything, something may be happening inside. Le Duyen and type places: you can see a lot, thus nothing but hairwash happening. NPK HT shops, can't see anything, lots of CIM and pussy probing happening. HBT and LTT Bars, can't see anything, something is happening.

JD

Johndao
03-27-10, 06:07
Hi Johndao,

I arrived in HCMC today (am a frequent visitor) and would like to check out the Hot Toc on NPK that you always goto.

Would you mind pinging me the address or some more specific directions?

Thank you very much in advance.
BBBJ,
You can read the many reports on the forum and easily figure where it is. On NPK, opposite the big new cafe, the shop is on the right side and the cafe on the left. Moto ramp up.
JD

BBBJ
03-27-10, 11:05
Thanks JD, much appreciated.

Will try and find it tonight and report back on my findings.

BTW, I'll be in HCMC until Wednesday afternoon. If you're in HCMC and feel like it, I'll be happy to buy you a beer at your location of choice.

BBBJ


BBBJ,
You can read the many reports on the forum and easily figure where it is. On NPK, opposite the big new cafe, the shop is on the right side and the cafe on the left. Moto ramp up.
JD

Data Lan
03-27-10, 12:38
what's up guys,

First time poster.

Last year I went to Vietnam, and stayed in Saigon for most of my trip. I'm planning to go back for another 2 months sometime in June-July. Anyways I met this local guy at the gym I go to over there.

Long story short, he introduce me to a mama-san. She had about 6-8 girls working for her, most of them were pretty cute looking. I never got to see the girls until she actually came to my hotel. I would normally call her and she would pretty much pick a girl for me. If I didn't like what I saw, I can send her back.

So here is my question to you guys. I agreed on the price of 800k for the whole night. The girl would come around 9pm-10pm and would leave the next day.

Did I overpay? If so, What are the normal prices for an all nighter?

Thanks all!

P.S. I don't have mama-san number, it was lost when I threw away my vietnamese sim card =(, but pretty sure I can get a hold of my buddy over there when I get there.

BBBJ
03-27-10, 19:33
Hi guys,

Checked out the Hot Toc on NPK that has been discussed here before.

It's exactly as JD describes it and his directions are spot on.

This is as close to a McDonalds experience you'll get here in HCMC, so anybody that for some reason get's charged more than the standard 100+100 here is probably wearing a Hawaiian shirt, bermuda shorts, has his tourist camera hanging on his belly, the Sheraton hotel's map of HCMC in the left hand and a few million dong cash in the other hand, while asking loudly "how much for a blow job?".

As JD mentioned several times, just walk in without hesitation, pick a girl, ANY girl (it's fairly dark upstairs anyway), follow her upstairs, drop your short to your ankles, take off your shirt, lie on the bed, let the girl give you a half decent BBBJ, cum in her mouth, let her clean you up and get dressed. Hand the girl 100K, walk down the stairs and hand the only lady that's not wearing a schoolgirl uniform 100K. Don't wait for the change and just walk out. It's really that simple.

The "very intimidating gatekeepers outside" are your typical small and slim Vietnamese guys that couldn't put a dent in you even if they all tried at the same time. They even greeted me and said "Thank you and see you soon" when I left.

Hopped into a taxi and that was it. Easiest and cheapest BBBJ you'll probably ever get... wham, bam (or should I say 'gulp') thank you mam.

Have fun!,
BBBJ

BBBJ
03-27-10, 20:05
I read some reports here about there being 'FL's parading' in front of the Crazy Buffalo and Go2 bar. I sat outside the Crazy Buffalo for a whole freakin 2 hours (until 1:30am) sipping on a beer while trying to spot all these parading FL's. ...hoping to pick one up.

Well, I must have gone blind from the BBBJ-CIM I had earlier, cause for the love of Asian pussy, I couldn't spot them!

Sure, there's the usual moto-girl that flies by every 30 minutes or so, but in HCMC they're like Mosquito's: when it get's dark they're everywhere and annoy the crap out of me.

It was mostly backpackers, 'hippies' and teenage european/american girls followed around by their overprotective teenage boyfriends.

At 1:30am I paid for my drinks and walked down the street past the Go2bar (on my left). I saw a couple of bars with some girls inside, but that was pretty much it (assume the going rate is also the usual 800k-1milion in these places???).

So could someone please ...PLEASE! enlighten me about this place? Is Saturday night the one night that FL's stay home? Does the parade start after 2am? What am I missing?

As I was walking around I was also figuring that FL's or any self respecting SW would stay far away from a backpacker's area as they generally can't be suckered in to spending lotsa cash for a quickie, but then again... I might be totally wrong (hoping I am...).

Anybody? Please?

Pokey Penguin
03-27-10, 21:09
BBBJ,

You can read the many reports on the forum and easily figure where it is. On NPK, opposite the big new cafe, the shop is on the right side and the cafe on the left. Moto ramp up.

JDPerhaps I am the one visiting the Twilight Zone version of NPK. I am trying to understand your directions, JD, but I have never seen a big cafe on NPK, unless it's only open in the daytime. Practically everything on NPK is closed at night except for the 4 hot tocs and about the same number of Bia Oms.

When you give directions, it would be better if you gave an orientation point. Right, left are meaningless unless we know which direction you are heading on the street.

My understanding is that NPK starts at VTS and ends at that Lotteria restaurant. Or is there a continuation of NPK that I'm not aware of, full of big cafes and seductive hot tocs with warm, friendly gatekeepers?

I'm not very observant, so next time I visit I will look for that strange blue door you spoke of, and motorbike ramp, as I have never noticed these things before. Also that phantom cafe.

Mash Potatoes
03-28-10, 02:39
As I was walking around I was also figuring that FL's or any self respecting SW would stay far away from a backpacker's area as they generally can't be suckered in to spending lotsa cash for a quickie, but then again. I might be totally wrong (hoping I am.).

Anybody? Please?[/QUOTE]You've got most of your answer there.

You will not get stunning FL in the backpackers area. Most of the FL know that there aren't going to be any premium customers to be had at Go2 versus a place like Apolocolypse. So it is a waste of time to go into that area expecting a decent FL.

As you pointed out, you will get a few Moto girls here and there offering services, and yes a few dark bars along bui vien will offer some take away. That's about as much as you will get in that area.

Wendella
03-28-10, 06:09
I haven't been to this place, but have heard similar reports about Go2, which I'm always skeptical of. I've gone into that place and not seen any WGs at all, and on a few occassions I did spot a few not-too-enticing ones at the pool table. Then when I reported this, I was told that it's late at night when they come, the wee hours. So I came back during the wee hours (2am) and it was same situation, on Sat nite even.

In this field of study, there tends to be a lot of exaggeration and misreporting of the facts. I'd say anyone who recommends these 2 places as where to go to find WG's doesn't know what he's talking about. They're so few and far between, and of such low quality, in these spots that I'd say they're not worth a visit if girls are what you're after.

Btw, girls at those bars down Bui Vien would be cheaper than what you quoted -- I'm pretty sure 500,000 or so, maybe less. Just a few yrs back the going rate in the PNL area was 300,000.

Johndao
03-28-10, 07:07
Perhaps I am the one visiting the Twilight Zone version of NPK. I am trying to understand your directions, JD, but I have never seen a big cafe on NPK, unless it's only open in the daytime. Practically everything on NPK is closed at night except for the 4 hot tocs and about the same number of Bia Oms.

When you give directions, it would be better if you gave an orientation point. Right, left are meaningless unless we know which direction you are heading on the street.

My understanding is that NPK starts at VTS and ends at that Lotteria restaurant. Or is there a continuation of NPK that I'm not aware of, full of big cafes and seductive hot tocs with warm, friendly gatekeepers?

I'm not very observant, so next time I visit I will look for that strange blue door you spoke of, and motorbike ramp, as I have never noticed these things before. Also that phantom cafe.
PP,
It's a one-way street Pokey so I am assuming you are going that one-way. It's possible the big new huge loud cafe is closed very late at night. I never go there at night.

Read BBBJ's report below on the same place, following my directions. I give good info but I am not a hand-holder. I see why you are called 'Pokey and thanks for confessing that you are not very observant. But wait, not observant? Aren't you that guy that goes into these places and scans every girl and rejects them and walks out in 15 seconds or less? Pretty difficult if you are not observant. I think I'm gonna give up. . .
JD

Wendella
03-28-10, 07:44
PP,
It's a one-way street Pokey

Phantom cafe? Uh... Pokey's gotta be winding you up here. That cafe is surely open evenings...and it's hard to miss. And if he somehow missed it (which anyone who's been on NPK knows is not possible) why refer to it as 'phantom'? Also, no one could visit that street in person and not realize it's a one-way. Sorry, my impression is he's here just to yank your chain.

This guy's looking like a troll. I mean... "Pokey Penguin"?

Luludinky
03-28-10, 08:25
Hi,

I am visiting HCMC with my cute 26 Khmer GF who is very bi. We are looking for a VN girl for 3some. We don't know the area at all. Currently staying in District 1. Any clue? Please provide us with simple indication with full names of streets and not letters!

Also possibility for a foursome today or tomorrow afternoon if boy is white and < 40 and girl is bi and VN. You can pm me.

Cheers,

Lulu

MutantChicken
03-28-10, 08:43
Perhaps I am the one visiting the Twilight Zone version of NPK. I am trying to understand your directions, JD, but I have never seen a big cafe on NPK, unless it's only open in the daytime. Practically everything on NPK is closed at night except for the 4 hot tocs and about the same number of Bia Oms.

When you give directions, it would be better if you gave an orientation point. Right, left are meaningless unless we know which direction you are heading on the street.

My understanding is that NPK starts at VTS and ends at that Lotteria restaurant. Or is there a continuation of NPK that I'm not aware of, full of big cafes and seductive hot tocs with warm, friendly gatekeepers?

I'm not very observant, so next time I visit I will look for that strange blue door you spoke of, and motorbike ramp, as I have never noticed these things before. Also that phantom cafe.Those that know me know that I'm generally helpful, but with characters like pp on the increase, you can understand why I prefer to lurk.

MutantChicken
03-28-10, 08:53
I read some reports here about there being 'FL's parading' in front of the Crazy Buffalo and Go2 bar. I sat outside the Crazy Buffalo for a whole freakin 2 hours (until 1:30am) sipping on a beer while trying to spot all these parading FL's. ...hoping to pick one up.

Well, I must have gone blind from the BBBJ-CIM I had earlier, cause for the love of Asian pussy, I couldn't spot them!

Sure, there's the usual moto-girl that flies by every 30 minutes or so, but in HCMC they're like Mosquito's: when it get's dark they're everywhere and annoy the crap out of me.

It was mostly backpackers, 'hippies' and teenage european/american girls followed around by their overprotective teenage boyfriends.

At 1:30am I paid for my drinks and walked down the street past the Go2bar (on my left). I saw a couple of bars with some girls inside, but that was pretty much it (assume the going rate is also the usual 800k-1milion in these places???).

So could someone please ...PLEASE! enlighten me about this place? Is Saturday night the one night that FL's stay home? Does the parade start after 2am? What am I missing?

As I was walking around I was also figuring that FL's or any self respecting SW would stay far away from a backpacker's area as they generally can't be suckered in to spending lotsa cash for a quickie, but then again... I might be totally wrong (hoping I am...).

Anybody? Please?There are unattractive gals in my opinion in go2bar and sitting in bars around that area. It maybe known as a backpacker area but you also get plenty of older deeper pocketed tourists who socialise in that area as such there will be quite a few FL around. The quality is similar to those found in apocalyspe. One of the guys I know who picked up an unattarctive gal, but he gave her a 8. 5/10 in looks stays in a hotel in that area. Normally she does the Singapore circuit as such it wouldn't suprise me if they use that area as one of the working strips.

Generally is there are a few gals sitting alone, nursing a drink and giving you more attention than what you would normally get back home from a gal, then chances are she is working. Just smile and strike up a conversation and the truth will come out.

The cost of the gals is a issue of your bargaining skills and luck. If the last 5 customers has given her 1 mill then even if she is worth less she won't budge on that price. If your not very attractive expect to pay more. If you look like you don't know what your doing pay more. Its possible to get 500k St in my opinion but given that q1 is a general rip off place, ie 1mill for gals older and less attracttive at apo than gals had at the 'massage' place. I won't be holding my breath for good deals.

BBBJ
03-28-10, 08:56
PP is either a troll, extremely green (like a 12 year old), or .... perhaps the taxi driver took him to the wrong street?

I was there at 10pm last night and there's absolutely positively no freakin way you can miss the Cafe or the HT opposite to it.

May I humbly suggest that we move on to the next topic? The NPK HTs have been over-discussed already, and I'm afraid all these posts are starting to hype this place too much. This place deserves no hype. It's a simple place with very average girls giving a quick BBBJ+CIM for a bit of cash... that's it...nothing more.

If you're looking for eye candy, move on.
If you're looking for nice facilities, move on.


Phantom cafe? Uh... Pokey's gotta be winding you up here. That cafe is surely open evenings...and it's hard to miss. And if he somehow missed it (which anyone who's been on NPK knows is not possible) why refer to it as 'phantom'? Also, no one could visit that street in person and not realize it's a one-way. Sorry, my impression is he's here just to yank your chain.

This guy's looking like a troll. I mean... "Pokey Penguin"?

Luludinky
03-28-10, 09:41
Hi guys,

I am visiting HCMC with my 26 YO cute and very bi khmer GF. We are looking for a VN cutie for some fun. What's the simplest and best way? We are staying in district 1.

Foursome is also an option if you are <40 and girl is VN and you can host. You can PM us

Cheers,

Lulu

Johndao
03-28-10, 16:05
PP is either a troll, extremely green (like a 12 year old), or .... perhaps the taxi driver took him to the wrong street?

I was there at 10pm last night and there's absolutely positively no freakin way you can miss the Cafe or the HT opposite to it.

May I humbly suggest that we move on to the next topic? The NPK HTs have been over-discussed already, and I'm afraid all these posts are starting to hype this place too much. This place deserves no hype. It's a simple place with very average girls giving a quick BBBJ+CIM for a bit of cash... that's it...nothing more.

If you're looking for eye candy, move on.
If you're looking for nice facilities, move on.
Yes, BBBJ, agreed. But the sad and true reason for endless discussion of NPK HT and HBT and vicinity bars is that there is so little of this type of action in HCMC, at least that is accessible to foreigners and especially compared to other regional cities. To be real, HCMC is a casual mongerer's Asian nightmare. But if you have time and patience and a little bit of looks and a little bit of cleverness, SWT hunting can be some of the best in the region.
JD

Pokey Penguin
03-28-10, 19:37
Oops, I was wrong and JD was right. there is a new cafe on NPK. I never noticed it much, I guess because it's very quiet and there's hardly any people in it. I thought it was a restaurant or something. Sorry.

Pokey Penguin
03-28-10, 20:38
Boys, let me assure you that the Penguin is not a troll (whatever that is...I hate the way anyone with unusual or unorthodox posts on internet forums -- or a funny name instead of the usual unimaginative names -- is automatically branded a "troll"). I've been reading your reports for years, having them sent to my email automatically. Only recently, I learned about VPNs and anonymous proxies and started using them, which has enabled me to post more because it supposedly ensures that my posting remains private and secure.

I think I missed that cafe for the reasons mentioned...it is very quiet and there's hardly anyone in it, at least when I've been on NPK. I didn't look at it carefully because it didn't interest me. I thought it was a restaurant or another bia om or something. But I have now seen it, and saw the sign that said "Cafe." I also saw the blue door that JD referred to on the other shop, which is actually a blue gate, I think, light blue, but I was not sure because the street is so dark it's hard to tell the color. Perhaps JD meant blue sign, not blue door. That shop with the blue sign is the one that gave me the problem. Tonight I saw a busload of people pull up to that shop and go inside. Half an hour later when I passed by again, the shop's gate was shut. Wonder what that was all about.

I think, because I walk and don't drive, the fact that NPK is a one way street is not top-of-mind awareness with me, hence the questions about which way on the street.

Anyway, never mind...

Re Go2 and that Buffalo place...I went in those places a few times, went upstairs just a few days ago. There's virtually nobody upstairs these days, maybe because tourist arrivals are down, and I did not see any freelancers. I know I've seen a few freelancers occasionally wave at me from the upper floors of Go2 in the past, a few years ago. But WGs seem far fewer now in the PNL area than they used to be. How is Apocalypse lately? I stopped going there because there seemed to be only a handful of freelancers there, nothing remotely like the Thermae in Bkk. Last time I was at Apocalypse it seemed a waste of time.

I believe that freelancers mainly go to Apocalypse and Gossip on Sunday and Wednesday nights. Of the clubs I've been to, Gossip had by far the best looking girls, but I haven't been there in about a year. And tonight that disco on CQ, forget the name, was closed. Never been there to check out the action.

BBBJ
03-28-10, 21:35
Against my better knowledge I went back to the backpackers area tonight to do some more 'research'. Expecting not to have much success I first paid a quick visit to my new favourite HT in NPK (thanks JD) to get my pipes cleaned and tension relieved.

2 objectives:
- get a better picture of the FL scene (if any)
- get a better picture of the girls in the bars, their quality and their price range.

Freelancers:

Instead of wasting time sitting outside at Crazy Buffalo or G02 bar, I just spent a good amount of time strolling around the area, observing and, at times, making myself look like I was ready to make a deal.

This time around I did spot an occasional FL. In total I think I spotted about 5 (the rest are all tourists, backpackers, hippies, etc.). They didn't approach me, even though I was making obvious eye contact with them and smiling at them. I also did not spot them approaching anybody else. I observed this for quite a while as I wanted to make sure they just didn't want to have anything to do with me.

The FL girls I spotted were all, without exception, butt ugly and old. 4 out of 5 had that nasty skinny heroine addict look with extremely heavy make-up. The other was probably in her 50s and also very unappealing. For those of you who know me a bit longer, I am very far from picky when it comes to pussy, but this was just not fuckable material, not even close!

Just for the hell of it, I approached one as she was standing on the sidewalk by herself. She asked me if I wanted massage. I replied "sure, come to my hotel, boom boom, 300k" expecting some negotiation to start. Well, I guess I struck a 'mama', cause she replied "I take you to many beautiful girls". I broke it off right there and moved on.

My theory about these FL's is as follows:
They're hoping to run into some totally drunk (or extremely desperate) tourist that can barely see and try to get a few hundred K out of him. Anyone who's even a little bit sober wouldn't go with them so they just don't bother with regular folk.

On a side note, please don't confuse the mainland China or South Korean tourist girls with freelancers. I noticed on two occasion's some young American guys approaching them as if they were FL's and the poor girls didn't know how fast to get away from them.

So in summary: the FL scene in this area is pretty much non-existent. While I have no doubt there will be the occasional legitimate and decent looking FL that gives this area a try, it's just absolutely not worth the time nor effort to come here hunting for a fuckable FL. You'll have more luck to pick up a FL at the Highlands Coffee shop in Saigon Center than here... and that's a strong statement!

The Bars:

Tried several of them around the area. Those bars where the girls outside try to get you to come in for a drink.

Again, a complete waste of time...

While I have no doubt that these girls can be taken out, their main and only purpose is to get you into the bar and keep you there for drinks. Every time I started talking about coming back to my place, they would come with some sort of excuse that you would have to wait. Most of the time they will say you need to buy them a Whiskey and then they'll go with you, after you do that, they'll find yet another excuse, but every time they want you to buy more drinks.

I found this really beautiful tall girl in one of the bars (bar girls in general were very average looking but sill fuckable for some bargain basement price), she said I had to wait till 1am when the bar closed to go with me. So I hung out with her...drinking... and at a quarter past one, she suddenly changed her story that the bar was now closing at 2am dictated by her boss and that I had to wait. So I thought ok, let me talk to her boss and see what it's going to cost to get her out of there now...but no deal. She did indicate that I could take one of the other girls, but this girl was super ugly (face and body) and old... I actually think she meant it as a sarcastic joke. Anyway... I think you all get the picture right?

As I left, the tall girl did give me her phone number (confirmed it immediately by calling her) and hinted I could call her before she starts work at 3pm. She did seem a bit embarrassed about the whole situation, but it could have also been an act. Will give her a call tomorrow morning and see if there's another scam lurking around the corner (can anybody guess)?

Conclusion: These bars are for drinking, and the girls get paid for selling you drinks, period. The classic carrot/stick routine.

So, I'm sad to say that I'll probably be hitting the touristy bar 29 tomorrow evening to get the usual 800k, 2x boom boom, experience. I know the mama pretty well there and she never forces me to buy drinks. I usually sit down for about 10 minutes, have a beer, pick a girl and take her back to my hotel. Compared to the crap you need to go through in the backpacker's area, it's a million times better, more efficient, better quality and, following the "time is money" principle, CHEAPER!

Tonight was the last time I'm going back to the backpacker's district for hunting. Unless you're a backpacker, hippie or just looking to get drunk/high, you have no business hunting there.

BBBJ
03-28-10, 21:51
PP, thanks for moving on to another subject. Let's leave this NPK HT stuff behind us (in terms of discussing it) and move on to more interesting discussions.




Boys, let me assure you that the Penguin is not a troll (whatever that is...I hate the way anyone with unusual or unorthodox posts on internet forums -- or a funny name instead of the usual unimaginative names -- is automatically branded a "troll"). I've been reading your reports for years, having them sent to my email automatically. Only recently, I learned about VPNs and anonymous proxies and started using them, which has enabled me to post more because it supposedly ensures that my posting remains private and secure.

I think I missed that cafe for the reasons mentioned...it is very quiet and there's hardly anyone in it, at least when I've been on NPK. I didn't look at it carefully because it didn't interest me. I thought it was a restaurant or another bia om or something. But I have now seen it, and saw the sign that said "Cafe." I also saw the blue door that JD referred to on the other shop, which is actually a blue gate, I think, light blue, but I was not sure because the street is so dark it's hard to tell the color. Perhaps JD meant blue sign, not blue door. That shop with the blue sign is the one that gave me the problem. Tonight I saw a busload of people pull up to that shop and go inside. Half an hour later when I passed by again, the shop's gate was shut. Wonder what that was all about.

I think, because I walk and don't drive, the fact that NPK is a one way street is not top-of-mind awareness with me, hence the questions about which way on the street.

Anyway, never mind...

Re Go2 and that Buffalo place...I went in those places a few times, went upstairs just a few days ago. There's virtually nobody upstairs these days, maybe because tourist arrivals are down, and I did not see any freelancers. I know I've seen a few freelancers occasionally wave at me from the upper floors of Go2 in the past, a few years ago. But WGs seem far fewer now in the PNL area than they used to be. How is Apocalypse lately? I stopped going there because there seemed to be only a handful of freelancers there, nothing remotely like the Thermae in Bkk. Last time I was at Apocalypse it seemed a waste of time.

I believe that freelancers mainly go to Apocalypse and Gossip on Sunday and Wednesday nights. Of the clubs I've been to, Gossip had by far the best looking girls, but I haven't been there in about a year. And tonight that disco on CQ, forget the name, was closed. Never been there to check out the action.

Wendella
03-29-10, 06:23
Boys, let me assure you that the Penguin is not a troll (whatever that is...I hate the way anyone with unusual or unorthodox posts on internet forums -- or a funny name instead of the usual unimaginative names -- is automatically branded a "troll").

OK if it means anything you sound like a real person, not a "troll" in these last few posts. A "troll" is basically someone who comes on just to f&*$ with people by making stuff up and pretending to be sincere. Winding people up, basically. Anyway, sounds like you aren't. It's a real problem in these kinds of forums, though -- on another one like this, there was a guy who'd come on and pretend to be a few different members all having a conversation, then anyone else (real people) who would enter the conversation would often get slammed by him or one of his fake personas. Stuff like that. So anyone who gets "branded" a troll -- it would be because people have suspicions they're not being real, basically are making stuff up in order to mess with people, to get a laugh at their expense. So I guess you could understand why some would get irritated by that.

But you're not one, so that's ok.

Also, about NPK -- it is a one way street but actually there's quite a few motorbikes that will go down it the wrong way, so it would be possible to not realize it's one way, esp if walking. I am one of those motorbikes that sometimes go down it the wrong way. ;)

Pokey Penguin
03-29-10, 20:41
Also, about NPK -- it is a one way street but actually there's quite a few motorbikes that will go down it the wrong way, so it would be possible to not realize it's one way, esp if walking. I am one of those motorbikes that sometimes go down it the wrong way. ;)

WHAT??? Motorbikers going the wrong way on a one-way street in Vietnam??? This is an outrage! Call the police! Call the newspapers!

If we don't put a stop to this kind of behavior now, before you know it bikers will start driving on the sidewalks! Or even driving their motorbikes with one hand while talking on their phones and turning into a busy intersection!!!

Pokey Penguin
03-29-10, 21:21
Must say my experience of the PNL freelancers is quite different from BBBJ's. Most of the girls I've seen on the streets in this area have been young and attractive -- but always too small to interest me. Okay, not always...I have taken a few, even though they were small, and had about half good and half bad experiences. Good, from the ones on the streets. Bad, from the ones on motorbikes with a male driver.

Problem of late is that there are very few girls on the street. I have a friend who routinely gets girls in the park and he says that lately they've all disappeared. Sounds like more crackdowns by the Social Evils brigade. What a pity. VN has so much potential in this regard -- much prettier girls than Thailand, girls who need money. If VN govt really wants the country to become developed and successful it should harness its most valuable natural resource -- its poon. What a mecca this place could be, if not for the commie dogmatists.

Happy Harry
03-30-10, 01:51
Urgent advice required!

Guys, yesterday I met up with a girl from tagged. Early 20's and very sexy. The problem is that she seems like a decent girl. How should I go about blowing her off her feet in Saigon over the next 2 days so that I can get her in bed?

Is she one of those relationship hunters who wants to get a viet kieu or some highclass-ish *****.

Any advice would be appreciated b/c if you guys don't think it's possible, I just drop her and stick with the BJ and motogirls in D1, D7 and around NDC and the roundabout.

If she's fuckable, I will definitely post up contact details

Appreciated,

Harry

Johndao
03-30-10, 02:35
Must say my experience of the PNL freelancers is quite different from BBBJ's. Most of the girls I've seen on the streets in this area have been young and attractive -- but always too small to interest me. Okay, not always...I have taken a few, even though they were small, and had about half good and half bad experiences. Good, from the ones on the streets. Bad, from the ones on motorbikes with a male driver.

You know guys, we talk a lot here about bad performance, poor service, lack of willingness on the part of the girl, etc. We've all read about [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908), sex slaves, etc, right? Well that's not only international, it's intranational. And SE is ground zero for this kind of treatment of girls and women. Try your best to be aware of why a girl seems reluctant to perform. Many girls are forced into what they are doing. There are threats of violence against them and or their loved ones to coerce them.

In addition, all the beggars, ticket sellers, flower sellers, gum and cigarette and book sellers around the PNL area are part of organized gangs. Nobody can operate independently in this area.

I will tell you two stories of girls forced to work the streets in HCMC.

1) Hoa was probably an ok girl who got involved with the wrong guy. She left high school, she left her family to be with him. He was no good, a drug user and a thief. She was neither, but she 'loved him.' He did petty crime like pickpocketing and snatching and stealing things off cars. He used the money to support them, buy drugs for himself and to gamble playing cards. He was always behind in payment for his drugs as his habit increased. He 'borrowed' from the dealers far more than he could steal. Eventually he was arrested for theft and sent to prison. He still had his outstanding debts to the dealers/mafia however and they came to get it from Hoa in the only way she could earn money for them. She refused at first, until the gang had her boyfriend beaten in prison. He called her and begged her to work with them to pay his debts or there would be more prison beatings. As she 'loved' him, what could she do? At first they rode her around on a motorbike with a male to strongarm her and make sure she did not try to run away, then later she had a female driver/minder, and as she got used to her new trade, they let her walk the streets, watching from nearby.

2) Nhi is from the southern Mekong Delta area. Her family were farmers on the land, when the craze of aquaculture began. They thought they would get rick quick and borrowed heavily to convert much of their land into shallow ponds used for farming shrimp/prawns. Her father is uneducated and the people who sold him the equipment, machines, pumps and chemicals were more interested in their short-term profit than in his being successful. The family did not qualify for any kind of bank credit and they were not connected in any way so there were no commercial or government loans available to them. The money they borrowed was from the money-lenders--the mafia, and the interest rates would make your head spin. These people think in terms of daily and weekly rates like 1% and 5%. No matter, her father was sure that when the first shrimp crop was harvested, they would have plenty of money to pay back the loans. Except that he did not get the chemicals, the food, the oxygenation right and the first crop all died about 3/4 of the way into the process. There was big money owed. So the family was forced to do what many have done before them. Turn over a pretty daughter to go to the city to 'work.' Of course they never say exactly what she is going to do. Work in a restaurant, sell coffee, as a maid, etc. But she is young and pretty and they can make a lot more from her in other ways.

Sad but true. So if you detect a bad attitude, poor service, an unwillingness, a lack of care for you as a customer, walk away. There are others out there who are working because they want to, and more importantly they can walk away when they want.
JD

OzzieSuds
03-30-10, 21:33
Urgent advice required!

Guys, yesterday I met up with a girl from tagged. Early 20's and very sexy. The problem is that she seems like a decent girl. How should I go about blowing her off her feet in Saigon over the next 2 days so that I can get her in bed?

Is she one of those relationship hunters who wants to get a viet kieu or some highclass-ish *****.

Any advice would be appreciated b/c if you guys don't think it's possible, I just drop her and stick with the BJ and motogirls in D1, D7 and around NDC and the roundabout.

If she's fuckable, I will definitely post up contact details

Appreciated,

Harry

Buy her dinner somewhere nice but near to your hotel. After dinner just walk with her past your hotel and put the word on her once outside. Don't give her time to think about it.