Ho Chi Minh City - General Info [Archive] - Page 12

Happy Harry

04-02-10, 10:39

Thanks guys for the input. Well I've finally done the deal with the "innocent, sweet" girl that i was pursing through less financial means.

Like sudoz recommended, i took her to eat at a nice place and brought her back to my hotel on LTT in Q1. The fact that she ended up on my bed to watch action movies gave me verification that this girl can't be too naive.

It took around two hours to get the her bottoms and after that it was easy. I just pulled out some generic lingerie and told her to try these on.

Her tits were disappointingly small AA-A and she was too hairy downstairs.
Her tightness and the extra sensitivity from no condom allowed me to finish quickly (10mins).

I have to admit that it wasn't worth the effort. I think i've become a firm follower of the JD approach. The thrill of the chase is gone and now I'm figuring how to ditch her politely.

Should be able to meet up with another two girls this way before I head back home. Definitely will use the BBBJ HT more.

AR said that Ngoc Anh massage was good for recovery. I totally agree =D

Posted a photo below

Ho Chi Minge

04-02-10, 11:49

This is for all the newbies coming to VN who need a very general guide. Feel free to add/criticize. I won't take it personally.

Prices in thousands VND.

Hot toc/cat toc. Hairdressing places where BJ or HJ is offered. Cost 150. 200. Try Dinh Bo Linh/D2/D5/Dien Bien Phu streets in Binh Thanh District, Nguyen Phi Khanh st in District 1 for concentrations of these places. Service varies from place to place but generally you go up to a dark room with curtained off beds, girl will give a half hearted massage, clean you up, lift her top, pull down her knickers and get to work on you. Standard of girls varies from place to place from old hag 2/10's to 7-8's. DBL street is the most convenient because you can see the girls from outside.

Massage. Found in nearly every sub 4* hotel in the city. Ticket usually 100 which includes sauna, steambath, jacuzzi etc. Tip the girl between 100. 200 for service. Usually HJ only but some places do BJ. Be prepared to haggle while she has your dick in her hand. Don't give in to anything higher than 200. Standard of girls is usually high. If the place looks nice then the girls usually are. Festival on Cao Thang st has a very good reputation for good looking, hard working girls. The 2 hotels on pham ngu lao st have cute girls but service standards vary wildly and they are hard nosed hagglers. Its easy to get a phone number and arrange a meeting later.

Freelancers. Best spot is undoubtably Apocalypse Now on Thi Sach st. The place absolutely heaves with FLs. Prices and quality vary but 800. 1 million for overnight seems to be the price for the better ones. After Apo closes any FLs without a customer head to Go2 and Crazy Buffalo in Pham Ngu Lao. These places don't really get going till after 2am. FLs can also be found in Gossip, Pink Cadillac and X club. They usually hang around near the bars at the back. The 24 hour restaurants on Nguyen Tra are also full of high end FLs late at night.

Street girls can be picked up on Nguyen Binh Kiem, Nguyen thi minh khai, and Nguyen Chi Thanh streets. Look out for girls going around in circles on motos. Short time should be max 500 but be careful at all times with these girls and the hotels they take you to.

Be very wary of 'girls' who approach you by moto in D1. Usually ladyboys and/or thieves. They will rob you somehow.

Take outs from bars. I don't know much about this scene but try bars on Hai Ba Trung, Thai Van Lung and Thi Sach streets. If it has dark glass doors you know you've found one. I believe there is an excellent in depth report somewhere on the forum so RTFF for more info.

There are some bars in Pham Ngu Lao with a similar set up and these are easy to find. Try Bui Vien st near to Cong Qhuyen st.

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GreenBud

04-03-10, 09:59

Against my better knowledge I went back to the backpackers area tonight to do some more 'research'.

Instead of wasting time sitting outside at Crazy Buffalo or G02 bar, I just spent a good amount of time strolling around the area

This time around I did spot an occasional FL. In total I think I spotted about 5 (the rest are all tourists, backpackers, hippies, etc.)

The FL girls I spotted were all, without exception, butt ugly and old.

So in summary: the FL scene in this area is pretty much non-existent. While I have no doubt there will be the occasional legitimate and decent looking FL that gives this area a try, it's just absolutely not worth the time nor effort to come here hunting for a fuckable FL.

Tonight was the last time I'm going back to the backpacker's district for hunting. Unless you're a backpacker, hippie or just looking to get drunk/high, you have no business hunting there.As that other post mentioned, the Go2 and Crazy Buffalo discos (upstairs) happens late. Then at that time you have local girls there (in addition to the tourists).

Ya, there aren't that many FL girls walking around. But they might be hard to spot, since this is Vietnam, the girls don't advertise as heavily as they did years ago.

Butt ugly: can't argue against that statement.

Old: is 28 to 40 years old old? Ya I guess so.

I just like to come to that area to get drunk and high.

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Happy Harry

04-03-10, 11:12

Excellent post Ho Chi Minge +1

Happy Harry

04-03-10, 19:46

Member #4285

04-05-10, 21:35

Last time (and first time some months ago) I were in Saigon I tried Smiley. 600k BBBJ CIM upstairs. Another girl from same bar the day after, 1M for 2 hours and 2 times. No barfine, I had here number.

This time Im thinking, I'll try to bargin better, but with no luck.

First Bar 91, a very slim and not so short girl with a nice little but, here eyes little strange but I liked her. Ask me for 400k to bar, plus 1M to here for one hour. I sad maybe tomorrow and went over to Smiley, 700k for BBBJ upstairs (including 3 or 400k to the bar). Does the money really go to the bar or the girls just say this to get more? Took one beer only in both places and thougt, Im tierd and I'll go back to hotel and RTFF instead.

Will try to find some good info about the FS MP for a tomorrow afternoon session. Looking for 200-300K total. I love the VN girls, but Im feeling like cheep charlie.

Johndao

04-06-10, 03:00

I love the VN girls, but Im feeling like cheep charlie.
Kid, you are no Cheap Charlie for not wanting to pay the equivalent of a month's unskilled wages in one of the world's poorest, most backward, least developed nations outside Africa for a little ST fun. It's not necessary and it's for the following people: A) Those with too much money and too little time B) Newbies, the uninitiated and the timid C) Those who are just plain lazy.
JD

PS: At the 200k to 300k you are looking at you will just get Blow and Go at 200k or someone off the street at 300k.

Johndao

04-06-10, 03:01

This evening (10:30pm) I tried to find WGs on NTT in Q7. I circled around the stretch of road close to the bridge for a solid 30mins but didn't come across anything. Is the time a tad late or do you guys gave EAGLE eyes =D

I normally can spot a girl by her unblinking stare but in this case most seem fixed on heading somewhere.

HH
I too looked around this area at around 10PM last Saturday and could spot absolutely nothing. That means there was nothing there because I have an eagle eye for those kind of things. Maybe it is the construction?
JD

Happy Harry

04-06-10, 03:27

Viet Seb123

04-06-10, 03:48

Johndao

04-07-10, 02:48

Found some cafe oms on Minh Phung street (end of 3T2, then turn right).

I saw 5 or 6 cafe oms in this street

I tried the 1st one on the right, the girls were quite ugly so I quit.

Then I tried another one further on the street, sorry I don't remember the number. There were 5 girls waiting inside, all pretty. The tallest came to me for om (nearly 1m75, and nice see cups). Unfortunately, there is no BJ here, only HJ.

Not interested in HJ, I can do it myself. So I left.
Well that is the thing you are going to find over and over Seb. Uglies in these places for BJ and pretties for HJ only. Everyone does what they have to do and no more, why not? But a proposal for a hotel at some point with the pretty, tall one would be in order so it may be worthwhile. A pretty girl just does not have to give BJ in some dirty, seedy Cafe Om in order to bring home the cash. If she can speak English someone will pay $20 at New World Catwalk just to talk to her and nothing more!
JD

Wendella

04-07-10, 05:03

Thanks JD. I've obviously RTFF but I was wondering where you guys think you could get the most thrill out of picking up a SW? I've picked up a few girls at NBK but there was no thrill because it's so damn easy. You just sit there literally for 2 minutes and at least 5 girls approach you.

Where do you guys go during the arvo to pick up girls who are harder to pick out. I'm particularly fond of silicone so if anyone knows where to find enhanced girls i'll be wrapped.

Thanks,
HH

I have to say, your idea of 'the most thrill' and mine aren't the same -- I find it an annoying chore to have to pick them out from amongst non-working girls and deal with that extra stress. But you don't care about that, and you shouldn't. Where can you find your silicone, that's what you want to know. Silicone is expensive. Therefore you have to go to expensive places to find it. And actually someone who can afford that usually won't be working because if they have that much money they probably don't need to work. Bu there's exceptions, and I think the only places you'll find those would be in higher end places... so a disco such as Gossip, a club like Napoli/Crystal, or at the highest end clubs like Catwalk and Club Royale, and possibly a very few at certain Hai Ba Trung bars. I think it's an uncommon preferenec you have there -- most guys I've heard talk about this don't like silicone, much prefer real thing. Im' not a boob guy myself so for me its' mostly a non-issue. Don't think I've ever been with one who had it.

Wendella

04-07-10, 05:16

Well that is the thing you are going to find over and over Seb. Uglies in these places for BJ and pretties for HJ only. Everyone does what they have to do and no more, why not? But a proposal for a hotel at some point with the pretty, tall one would be in order so it may be worthwhile. A pretty girl just does not have to give BJ in some dirty, seedy Cafe Om in order to bring home the cash. If she can speak English someone will pay $20 at New World Catwalk just to talk to her and nothing more!
JD

I have to say, what I find difficult about the cafe oms is this: most of the time they are dark and all the girls are inside out of sight. So it means you have to come and park your motorbike there before you get a chance to see the girls. Once you do that, you go inside. Have to wait for your eyes to adjust to the darkness (if it's day time) and try to get a good look at the offerings. By that time you probably have to have sat down at a table, and of course order something. Now I'm one of those people JD referred to somewhere else in another post: have no time, but do have money to spend. So now I have to stay at this place for the time it takes to drink a coffee, and I guess most of the time the offerings in one of these places are nothing great. So it means for me, to check these places out, I have to put in a good amount of wasted time drinking a coffee I don't want and looking at girls I'm not interested in, probably fending them off too if they're aggressive. So if its like this, for me at least its just kind of annoying and unpleasant and feels like I'm spending my valuable free time (not enough of it) doing something pointless.

Now I'm actually saying this hoping someone has some good advice that I can use to change this dynamic. I can't think of what it'd be. I mean, it's really awkward and I'm sure comes off as insulting if I pull up on my bike, park, come inside, look around and then leave immediately. And gets even more awkward if you then immediately go check out the place next door after that. I guess I could pretend to get an urgent phone call that makes me have to suddenly unexpectedly leave... again and again. I'd actually like to go check these kinds of places out some time and this problem I describe is actually what holds me back from doing it.

Pokey Penguin

04-12-10, 09:25

Following two successful encounters on NPK, two recent walks down NBK from DBP to NTMK at about 9:30-9:45 PM on weekend nights revealed not a single WG. One night there were 3 cops standing at the corner of NBK and NDC. There is also a manned police booth there which I'm not sure was there before.

Maybe I am going there too early. But I'm not a late night monger.

Pokey Penguin

04-12-10, 09:28

Recently one night there were 3 small pretty WGs standing on PNL St. between DT and DQD. But other nights, I only saw one or none.

And the VN authorities wonder why tourist arrivals are on an ever-downward spiral! Think boys...do tourists want to come to a place where fun is against the law and simply crossing the street carries a good chance of death?

One Wing Low

04-12-10, 10:16

You are right.

Too many scammers and cheaters. Girls are ugly and hard to find.

Vietnam is no fun. I just stopped going to Vietnam.

Columpuss

04-12-10, 14:40

You are right.

Too many scammers and cheaters. Girls are ugly and hard to find.

Vietnam is no fun. I just stopped going to Vietnam.

Should do your homework before you come. Plenty of warnings in the forum. This is not Thailand or the PIs. Don't ever come here and expect the same. Read! Read! Read!

OzzieSuds

04-13-10, 00:30

You are right.

Too many scammers and cheaters. Girls are ugly and hard to find.

Vietnam is no fun. I just stopped going to Vietnam.

That's fine. More SYT for me!

Johndao

04-13-10, 01:51

You are right.

Too many scammers and cheaters. Girls are ugly and hard to find.

Vietnam is no fun. I just stopped going to Vietnam.
Yes, both Peter Pan and Sudsoz are right. Vietnam is not easy. For easy go to PI or Thailand. No comparison at all for easy, fast mongering. But for SYT, VN is better. It takes much more time and effort and patience. It may ultimately be more rewarding for some but less for others.
JD

One Wing Low

04-13-10, 03:17

That's fine. More SYT for me!

Most of your SYT's probably have crab lice crawling and Syphillis oozing out of their dead-fish smelling pussies.

Johndao

04-13-10, 04:43

Some time back I posted a photo series of a fuck session with Tiny Mai, a factory worker doing some FL SW work on the Minh Khai Bridge. A dwarfish little woman with the body of a 15YO. A very hot and active little fuck though with white skin and a bubble butt.

See her here: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1550&page=27&pp=10

Hadn't seen her anywhere for a long while, forgot about her in fact, not much to to remember, she's funny looking. Just a fuck and some good pics and especially good video. The only video I've posted here. See link on page after photos, if it's still active, don't know.

Anyway, I saw her on the street and she's now apparently full-time in the mornings on ADR St. at the park near Pasteur. Saw her a few days and had my cam and snapped a few from across the street. Not a long lens so pics not great. Anyway, the subject not great either and as I said mild interest but it may help some to spot the SW's.

She was just hangin' with her friend till the time was right, then put on her hat and mask and put herself out. She was riding away with some dude within 15 mins. They did have 1 cuter and younger colleague in a blue hat. She was also selling lottery tickets as a cover.
JD

Johndao

04-13-10, 04:59

Same topic, where are they now?

See her here: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=878533#post878533

She can now be found on Bui Vien, De Tham, PNL area walking the streets with a little boy in her arms selling tissues and gum. She is very thin and walks quickly with short, tight steps.

BTW, the same room again, the one where I shot other Trang in the now controversial pictures. Recognize it?
JD

Wendella

04-13-10, 16:41

Yes, both Peter Pan and Sudsoz are right. Vietnam is not easy. For easy go to PI or Thailand. No comparison at all for easy, fast mongering. But for SYT, VN is better. It takes much more time and effort and patience. It may ultimately be more rewarding for some but less for others.
JD

Vn better for SYT than Thailand? You're quite mad. There are SO many more girls available in Thailand. BKK and HCMC are both really big cities. I've never been to PI so can't comment, but dude, Bangkok and Pattaya destroy HCMC in terms of any category you wanna mention for girls. Way more tall girls, way more short girls, way more thin girls, fat girls, ugly girls, beautiful girls, SYT, MILF, freelancers, massage girls, BJ girls, dancing girls, dude everything.

One Wing Low

04-13-10, 17:58

You have to be desperate to pay a beggar woman for sex...

Same topic, where are they now?

See her here: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=878533#post878533

She can now be found on Bui Vien, De Tham, PNL area walking the streets with a little boy in her arms selling tissues and gum. She is very thin and walks quickly with short, tight steps.
JD

OzzieSuds

04-14-10, 00:20

Vn better for SYT than Thailand? You're quite mad. There are SO many more girls available in Thailand. BKK and HCMC are both really big cities. I've never been to PI so can't comment, but dude, Bangkok and Pattaya destroy HCMC in terms of any category you wanna mention for girls. Way more tall girls, way more short girls, way more thin girls, fat girls, ugly girls, beautiful girls, SYT, MILF, freelancers, massage girls, BJ girls, dancing girls, dude everything.

If we are talking P4P gals then obviously Thailand has more choices. But I have never got anywhere with ordinary girls with normal jobs in Thailand.

By contrast in Saigon and Vung Tau there are many gals working in ordinary jobs who come across because they want to improve the english and their life. Start with hairdressers, office gals, shop gals, students etc. Hell I even had a 30 yo antique shop owner.

Most of these gals are working until 9 pm or so and I often spend some time in the pool bars early evening waiting for them to finish.

Johndao

04-14-10, 03:25

You have to be desperate to pay a beggar woman for sex...
I meant she used to be a streetwalking prostitute a couple of years ago. At the bus stop on Minh Khai before the zoo. Quite young and cute then although 1 kid already. I did her (and hard in the ass) twice. But now she has been reduced even further by her handlers to selling gum and tissues to tourists in PNL.
JD

Johndao

04-15-10, 03:57

This is Kieu Nhu on the street in Saigon, a large-breasted model and actress and singer as well. Also 3 of her pro pictures.
JD

Mangofan

04-15-10, 07:12

If we are talking P4P gals then obviously Thailand has more choices. But I have never got anywhere with ordinary girls with normal jobs in Thailand.

What? Dude, go online. It's so easy that I almost feel sorry for them. I banged about 20 different girls with normal jobs within about a 6 month period. Office girls, university students, jewelry store clerks, call center girls, hell I even banged one of those skin clinic chicks - she even showed up in her white uniform! If you are half-way decent looking then you should have no problem dating these girls.

Now if you are going to places like the BTS or Siam Square (Paragon especially), then yeah - you probably will have no chance since most of those girls are hi-so.

Wendella

04-15-10, 07:24

This is Kieu Nhu on the street in Saigon, a large-breasted model and actress and singer as well. Also 3 of her pro pictures.
JD

Va va voom!

So what was the situation there? She must have been posing for photos somewhere nearby, not the kind of getup a girl wears to go get a coffee or shop.

Yeah, I need ones that look more like that. Enough with the chunky munchkins already. I want that.

Data Lan

04-23-10, 10:07

What? Dude, go online. It's so easy that I almost feel sorry for them. I banged about 20 different girls with normal jobs within about a 6 month period. Office girls, university students, jewelry store clerks, call center girls, hell I even banged one of those skin clinic chicks - she even showed up in her white uniform! If you are half-way decent looking then you should have no problem dating these girls.

Now if you are going to places like the BTS or Siam Square (Paragon especially), then yeah - you probably will have no chance since most of those girls are hi-so.I'm planning my trip already, and I signed up on DateInAsia.com. I'm trying to line up dates the moment I arrived at the airport =D! Most of the girls that would message me was from Thailand. Anyways they seem normal effort so far...

Put up a decent picture of yourself and you'll get tons of messages.

Milkweed

04-30-10, 04:19

Anyone have a reliable pimp they could recommend? PM me, please.

Dodgy Asian

05-23-10, 12:28

I Like Pussy

05-23-10, 23:30

I'm Asian on my late 20's as well. I always wanted to explore Vietnam, but don't know anyone around my age who has the same idea. When do you plan to go Dodgy Asian? Do you need a wingman?

I'm also wondering how english speaking only Asian viewed by local girls in Vietnam. How safe is it for guys like us to travel and monger in Vietnam?

Greetings all,

I will be planning a trip in HCMC soon and have a few concerns which I'ld love some help with.

Being brought up in a english speaking society and my parents are from Hong Kong and Chinese/vietnamese respectively, my main languages are english and cantonese. I'm very limited in Madarin and Japanese which I know are not used there and I speak pretty much no vietnamese except the usual 'thankyou', 'your welcome' and a lot of the food items. So my questions are.

1. What is the ratio of people in vietnam speak cantonese? And the wg's, AMP's and hotel's, rough ratios too?

2. How are the cantonese vietnamese percieved in vietnam? Are they looked down upon by their majority counterparts?

3. Now I have family there too, basically a truck load of cousins from one gambling addict uncle, which I intend to 'hang around with' mostly my age (late 20s) I know that they are family, but really how safe can I expect to be if I run into trouble? From what I hear in ISG vietnam's forum that curuption is still very rampent and the scams are everywhere!

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Johndao

05-24-10, 02:17

Greetings all,

I will be planning a trip in HCMC soon and have a few concerns which I'ld love some help with.

Being brought up in a english speaking society and my parents are from Hong Kong and Chinese/vietnamese respectively, my main languages are english and cantonese. I'm very limited in Madarin and Japanese which I know are not used there and I speak pretty much no vietnamese except the usual 'thankyou', 'your welcome' and a lot of the food items. So my questions are.

1. What is the ratio of people in vietnam speak cantonese? And the wg's, AMP's and hotel's, rough ratios too?

2. How are the cantonese vietnamese percieved in vietnam? Are they looked down upon by their majority counterparts?

3. Now I have family there too, basically a truck load of cousins from one gambling addict uncle, which I intend to 'hang around with' mostly my age (late 20s) I know that they are family, but really how safe can I expect to be if I run into trouble? From what I hear in ISG vietnam's forum that curuption is still very rampent and the scams are everywhere!

Any help is greatly appreciated!
I am no expert but I will try. I think you are probably more interested in the % of people who can speak Cantonese in HCMC, not the % in Vietnam as a whole, right? First of all, I would estimate the the % of Vietnamese people in HCMC who can speak Cantonese is very, very low. Probably like 0.01%. But there are quite a number of Chinese-Vietnamese who live in Districts 5 and 10 mostly (Cho Lon) and in this community some speak Cantonese. To estimate a percent would be difficult but I'd guess somewhere between 2 and 4% Cantonese speakers.

Lots of "Chinese" tourists stay at Windsor Plaza Hotel on An Duong Vuong St in District 5. So Karaokes, Massage and shops generally selling to tourists in that area have a higher number of "Chinese" speakers than elsewhere. That hotel and the connected An Dong Market was built with money from Hong Kong investors.

Hope this little info helps.
JD

Member #2234

05-24-10, 03:35

Hi m8, I am from UK but like yourself my origin is from HK! I live in Vietnam and know my way around good and speak the local language too. Let me know if u wanna meet up

Greetings all,

I will be planning a trip in HCMC soon and have a few concerns which I'ld love some help with.

Being brought up in a english speaking society and my parents are from Hong Kong and Chinese/vietnamese respectively, my main languages are english and cantonese. I'm very limited in Madarin and Japanese which I know are not used there and I speak pretty much no vietnamese except the usual 'thankyou', 'your welcome' and a lot of the food items. So my questions are.

1. What is the ratio of people in vietnam speak cantonese? And the wg's, AMP's and hotel's, rough ratios too?

2. How are the cantonese vietnamese percieved in vietnam? Are they looked down upon by their majority counterparts?

3. Now I have family there too, basically a truck load of cousins from one gambling addict uncle, which I intend to 'hang around with' mostly my age (late 20s) I know that they are family, but really how safe can I expect to be if I run into trouble? From what I hear in ISG vietnam's forum that curuption is still very rampent and the scams are everywhere!

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Data Lan

05-24-10, 12:07

Hey all,

I'll be landing in Saigon on the 27th of May. Traveling by myself, vietnamese american in my mid 20s. Was wondering if any of you guys want to meet up and hopefully give me some info over some coffee.

I can speak Vietnamese, but it's not my first language.

I'm also trying to head over to Thailand as well if the conditions are safe. Pattaya looks to be safe atm.

Thanks

Dodgy Asian

05-24-10, 17:54

I am no expert but I will try. I think you are probably more interested in the % of people who can speak Cantonese in HCMC, not the % in Vietnam as a whole, right? First of all, I would estimate the the % of Vietnamese people in HCMC who can speak Cantonese is very, very low. Probably like 0.01%. But there are quite a number of Chinese-Vietnamese who live in Districts 5 and 10 mostly (Cho Lon) and in this community some speak Cantonese. To estimate a percent would be difficult but I'd guess somewhere between 2 and 4% Cantonese speakers.

Lots of "Chinese" tourists stay at Windsor Plaza Hotel on An Duong Vuong St in District 5. So Karaokes, Massage and shops generally selling to tourists in that area have a higher number of "Chinese" speakers than elsewhere. That hotel and the connected An Dong Market was built with money from Hong Kong investors.

Hope this little info helps.

JDGee thanks JohnDao, I guess I've met quite a few Chinese\vietnamese and pure vietnamese, and I had no idea that the odd were that low for the cantonese speaking community. Finding that 2-4% is hardly worth searching for, I guess that I'm better off speaking english or relying on my much more dodgy cousins to get me some action.

Still, how are us cantonese folks seen by the large majority there? I know money talks but is it safer for me not to speak Chinese?

Dodgy Asian

05-24-10, 17:59

Doodie1

05-28-10, 11:33

1. Does anyone know anything about a place called Pinnochio at 105 Tran Hung Dao in D1? It says 'restaurant' on the sign but looks totally like a bia om/karaoke. I only ask cuz I was waiting for a green light there and spotted a drop dead stunner walk into it around 6pm and disappear upstairs.

2. Anyone ever visited the street cafes on Le Hong Phong street just near the corner of Tran Hung Dao in D5? They look very dubious, in a good way.Most of all the bia oms are called restaurants, from what I have noticed. I think it's basically a cover, but they do serve food in most of them. I have been to one that was also a wedding chapel!

I used to live on Le Hong Phong close to those cafes but I never visited one. Maybe I will give one a try in the next few days and see whats up.

I've been in HCM for over a year now. I'm glad I found this forum, thanks for all the great information! I can't wait to check some of these places out.

Doodie1

05-28-10, 12:06

What is the ratio of people in vietnam speak cantonese? And the wg's, AMP's and hotel's, rough ratios too?I would suggest district 11 (china town?) or 5. I have friends that live in D 11 and they speak Cantonese, Madarin, and Vietnamese. Almost everyone I know here speaks these languages.

Johndao

05-29-10, 09:18

Still, how are us cantonese folks seen by the large majority there? I know money talks but is it safer for me not to speak Chinese?Vietnamese, like Americans and the British are extremely poor at foreign languages. Very few Vietnamese are fluent in a foreign language and in Saigon those that do speak one usually speak ENGLISH. I just don't think a Cantonese speaker registers anything here at all. If you can't speak Vietnamese you are a foreign language only speaker and it doesn't matter what language you do speak whether it's Cantonese or Russian or Spanish or French, it's not Vietnamese. In fact, I'll bet you most Vietnamese don't even know there is no such language as "Chinese" but rather a series of distinct dialects. I may be wrong about the number of Cantonese speakers in Chinatown (D5 and D10) but for sure it is very low although as I said there are places catering to Chinese.
JD

Columpuss

05-29-10, 12:23

I'll bet you most Vietnamese don't even know there is no such language as "Chinese" but rather a series of distinct dialects.
JD

Careful about making your assumption. Not true at all.

Raverboy

05-29-10, 12:38

I am no expert but I will try. I think you are probably more interested in the % of people who can speak Cantonese in HCMC, not the % in Vietnam as a whole, right? First of all, I would estimate the the % of Vietnamese people in HCMC who can speak Cantonese is very, very low. Probably like 0.01%. But there are quite a number of Chinese-Vietnamese who live in Districts 5 and 10 mostly (Cho Lon) and in this community some speak Cantonese. To estimate a percent would be difficult but I'd guess somewhere between 2 and 4% Cantonese speakers...

Official figure for HCMC population is 8 Mill. Unofficial figure is likely pushing 12 Mill. Being doubly conservative would put your estimate of 2% x 8 Mill. = 160,000 Cantonese speakers... hmm... maybe.

I disagree with your suggestion that you don't think "a Cantonese speaker registers anything here at all". Vietnamese Chinese whom I have come across so far in my 2 years in Vietnam: my secretary, my 'regular' Vinasun Taxi driver, a PR at a club in D5, my employee's brother-in-law, a few random girls I've had the pleasure (or not!) to know intimately (but I cant remember their names haha) the hotel clerk who checked me out of the short-term no tell hotel in D10 this morning... :D

All of the above speak Cantonese.

Not to mention several others I can't recall right now. So your estimate may not be off the mark.

Johndao

05-29-10, 17:52

Official figure for HCMC population is 8 Mill. Unofficial figure is likely pushing 12 Mill. Being doubly conservative would put your estimate of 2% x 8 Mill. = 160,000 Cantonese speakers... hmm... maybe.

I disagree with your suggestion that you don't think "a Cantonese speaker registers anything here at all". Vietnamese Chinese whom I have come across so far in my 2 years in Vietnam: my secretary, my 'regular' Vinasun Taxi driver, a PR at a club in D5, my employee's brother-in-law, a few random girls I've had the pleasure (or not!) to know intimately (but I cant remember their names haha) the hotel clerk who checked me out of the short-term no tell hotel in D10 this morning... :D

All of the above speak Cantonese.

Not to mention several others I can't recall right now. So your estimate may not be off the mark.
"I don't think a Cantonese speaker registers anything here at all"
I meant something different by the above statement. I did not mean that it is so difficult to find Vietnamese-Chinese who can speak Cantonese. I meant that for Vietnamese who speak only Vietnamese, a Cantonese speaker does not register. It's just a foreign language they don't understand. The OP seemed to be asking what do ordinary Vietnamese non-Cantonese speakers think about Cantonese speakers and I was trying to convey they think nothing special of it all. It won't register more or less than any other language they don't know.

Johndao

05-29-10, 18:00

Careful about making your assumption. Not true at all.My quote: "I'll bet you most Vietnamese don't even know there is no such language as "Chinese" but rather a series of distinct dialects."

I thought I was pretty careful as I wrote 'most Vietnamese.' That goes for the whole country. If you are talking only about educated people, or only people in HCMC or even in Hanoi, the awareness may be different (higher). Vietnamese in general have very little awareness of the outside world and most of what they do have relates to entertainment or brands.

It wasn't long ago that I had a conversation with a uni student doing a report on Australia. I asked her to tell me something about Australia and she offered nothing. So I asked where is Australia and she came up first with 'near England' and then with 'near Canada?' Somewhat similarly I can recall a conversation with a Chinese post-graduate student who asked me where Vietnam was exactly, what kind of people lived there and what language they spoke.

Dodgy Asian

05-30-10, 07:24

Lots of interesting points here,

I guess most of the vietnamese people that I've met here in Australia can speak cantonese, I suppose most of the Chinese/Vietnamese must have left vietnam and migrated elsewhere. So I really wanted to travel there and be able to speak cantonese on a regular basis, I guess people would be more welcoming and it would make life easier. Alls well, I will have get there and look and C.

Raverboy

05-30-10, 13:50

... Somewhat similarly I can recall a conversation with a Chinese post-graduate student who asked me where Vietnam was exactly, what kind of people lived there and what language they spoke.

That's a little different IMHO, in that the Vietnamese would never admit it (and sorry to any Vietnamese here, I mean no offence, just being realistic considering the grand scheme of things), but Vietnam has been like a backward province in the backwaters of its Yunnan/Guangxi provinces for about 1000 years.

Your Chinese post-graduate student would probably know as much about Vietnam as would a Idaho potato farmer would about Guatemala, or Puerto Rico, or the Bahamas. Or as much as a Muscovite would about Mongolia.

Hope I'm being fair.

Golfinho

05-31-10, 03:32

That's a little different IMHO, in that the Vietnamese would never admit it (and sorry to any Vietnamese here, I mean no offence, just being realistic considering the grand scheme of things), but Vietnam has been like a backward province in the backwaters of its Yunnan/Guangxi provinces for about 1000 years.

Your Chinese post-graduate student would probably know as much about Vietnam as would a Idaho potato farmer would about Guatemala, or Puerto Rico, or the Bahamas. Or as much as a Muscovite would about Mongolia.

Hope I'm being fair.Ho Chi Minion City residents might admit that -- about the Northern Viet borderlands. Such a different vibe north to south (and, no, not because of the last 50 years).

Columpuss

06-01-10, 15:30

My quote: "I'll bet you most Vietnamese don't even know there is no such language as "Chinese" but rather a series of distinct dialects."

I thought I was pretty careful as I wrote 'most Vietnamese.' That goes for the whole country. If you are talking only about educated people, or only people in HCMC or even in Hanoi, the awareness may be different (higher). Vietnamese in general have very little awareness of the outside world and most of what they do have relates to entertainment or brands.

It wasn't long ago that I had a conversation with a uni student doing a report on Australia. I asked her to tell me something about Australia and she offered nothing. So I asked where is Australia and she came up first with 'near England' and then with 'near Canada?' Somewhat similarly I can recall a conversation with a Chinese post-graduate student who asked me where Vietnam was exactly, what kind of people lived there and what language they spoke.

Vietnamese are very aware of the Chinese language. Most don't speak the language unless you are nearer to Saigon and especially the Cholon area. Most cannot distinct the different dialects and really don't care. All they know is that someone speaks "tieng tau" (Chinese).
It is very hard to find a native Vietnamese fluent in Chinese unless for economic reasons, which more and more are. They find it difficult to learn because, as one mentioned, "the stick figures make no sense"

Member #2234

06-01-10, 18:44

Please don't say 'tieng tau' on the forum. Not everyone here is western, there are lots of Chinese on this forum and I am one of them. Calling us nguoi TAU and speaking tieng TAU is very insulting. I am not having a go at you as I was brought in in a western country and used to ignorant b@stards calling us chinkies everyday anyway, all I am saying is have a little respect for Chinese (even if you hate us).

Thanks

Vietnamese are very aware of the Chinese language. Most don't speak the language unless you are nearer to Saigon and especially the Cholon area. Most cannot distinct the different dialects and really don't care. All they know is that someone speaks "tieng tau" (Chinese).
It is very hard to find a native Vietnamese fluent in Chinese unless for economic reasons, which more and more are. They find it difficult to learn because, as one mentioned, "the stick figures make no sense"

Johndao

06-02-10, 02:35

Please don't say 'tieng tau' on the forum. Not everyone here is western, there are lots of Chinese on this forum and I am one of them. Calling us nguoi TAU and speaking tieng TAU is very insulting. I am not having a go at you as I was brought in in a western country and used to ignorant b@stards calling us chinkies everyday anyway, all I am saying is have a little respect for Chinese (even if you hate us).

ThanksI never heard anyone use that phrase. Usually I've heard Vietnamese referring to Chinese language as 'Tieng Hoa' and to Chinese people as 'Nguoi Hoa'.

I can say in all my time here I have only met two Vietnamese (not Chinese/Vietnamese) who are fluent in Mandarin. They learned it from scratch as a foreign language. Both also spoke excellent English and of course their native Vietnamese.

Johndao

06-02-10, 02:54

On the subject of Chinese, 'Th' is one of the sweetest massage girls I've come across (ha ha) in all my time here. She is a Chinese-Vietnamese, fluent in both Cantonese and Vietnamese and she also speaks a very little English.

She gives a very competent and real Thai style massage up in TB. (Sadly no longer there, I saw her at least 5 times) Really slow and nice with all the proper pressing and stretching. The room is closed door so after some pressure on my part the first time, she agreed to finish me as I wanted. She said it's not allowed and was the first time she did it at that place and claimed to have done it only a few time before with an ex (oral). Judging by the way she performed, I'd say that was accurate. Her learned skills were virtually nil, but her cooperative and willing attitude and her natural ability to go deep without stopping or gagging much amounted to some of the best I've ever had. No cum fear whatsoever as well. Oh, and she has one of the biggest, roundest, highest, hardest asses you'll ever see on an otherwise normal sized girl. Think black.

If you see my pictures of Quynh in Massage place you'll notice it's the same room. Just took Quynh last time 'cause 'Th' was no longer there ;(
JD

One Wing Low

06-02-10, 03:02

hi John Dao,

This is a pretty girl but fairly chubby and very young for Vietnam.

Perhaps you chould have checked her ID. But we all know official ID's can be bought cheaply in Vietnam.

You could also check to see if she carries a big bush between her legs. If she at least has a few stubbles, then she may have passed her puberty. It's not a sure check for age if you hit natural white tigers, but better than nothing...

On the subject of Chinese, 'Th' is one of the sweetest massage girls I've come across (ha ha) in all my time here. She is a Chinese-Vietnamese, fluent in both Cantonese and Vietnamese and she also speaks a very little English.

pressure on my part the first time, she agreed to finish me as I wanted. She said it's not allowed and was the first time she did it at that place and claimed to have done it only a few time before with an ex (oral). Judging by the way she performed, I'd say that was accurate. Her learned skills were virtually nil, but her cooperative and willing attitude and her natural ability to go deep without stopping or gagging much amounted to some of the best I've ever had. No cum fear whatsoever as well. Oh, and she has one of the biggest, roundest, highest, hardest asses you'll ever see on an otherwise normal sized girl. Think black.

JD

Columpuss

06-02-10, 16:50

You are one of those "sensitive" and PC people living in the West, right?. Please don't bring that attitude here. There is a huge different between using "tau" and that word you are using. Tau, Trung Quoc, and Hoa are synonyms and that's all. There is no other meaning to the word and it's just mean "Chinese".

When you put too much emphasis into the meaning of any words, they become whatever you want them to be. As the result, you put a fence around yourself and die of solitude. Please don't bring the PC thinking that the West has poisoned you with. Live easy, think easy then you'll be happy grasshopper, hahaha!

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06-03-10, 16:59

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BionicMan

06-03-10, 17:12

F you! You insult the Chinese then you say I have an attitude? What a cheek you have! Do you even speak Viet? I speak it fluently and KNOW FINE what TAU means! Nguoi HOA is polite (Chinese people) and TAU is F'in IMPOLITE (Chinkie) especially when they say BA TAU which is even more impolite! So get your facts right before saying I have an attitude! I have names to call you but I won't as I DO have feelings for the other westerners on this board, as obviously you DON'T have towards Chinese as you can't admit you are wrong and in rurn change it around to make it sound like I AM WRONG!? what a cheek! I will show you what nguoi TAU is if u see me in person and dare call it to my face, and no that is NOT a threat, that is how I feel!!!!! Call me SENSITIVE all you want but don't EVER call me nguoi TAU ya f'in twat!

You are one of those "sensitive" and PC people living in the West, right?. Please don't bring that attitude here. There is a huge different between using "tau" and that word you are using. Tau, Trung Quoc, and Hoa are synonyms and that's all. There is no other meaning to the word and it's just mean "Chinese"
When you put too much emphasis into the meaning of any words, they become whatever you want them to be. As the result, you put a fence around yourself and die of solitude. Please don't bring the PC thinking that the West has poisoned you with. Live easy, think easy then you'll be happy grasshopper, hahaha! !

Dont you think you both are going a bit over the lines?

Columpuss

06-03-10, 17:25

What is more sad than a bigot is someone who thinks everyone else is a bigot. In the West, you have to walk on egg shells all the time because people lose their sense of reality. You have to be careful around the guy with one leg. You can't use the wrong word standing in front of a 500 pounds woman and so on. When you live in Vietnam, it's called tough sh_t. Everyone has to wake up every morning, leave behind their inner 10-year-old behind and fight to survive.
When you're in Vietnam and your are offended because people call you "nguoi tau," which is not even as offensive as someone calling an American, a Yankee, you are might as well taking a stick and beat yourself senseless because that's what they'll do to you.
This is my last response to member 2234 because we are not here to talk non-sense. Let's get on with life.!

Member #2234

06-03-10, 17:31

yeah get on with life ya twat and stop being racist then still having the cheek to say you are correct and I am wrong! Ya F'in Yankee! (no offense to all other americans on this board, but this twat brought it on himself as you can all see)

What is more sad than a bigot is someone who thinks everyone else is a bigot. In the West, you have to walk on egg shells all the time because people lose their sense of reality. You have to be careful around the guy with one leg. You can't use the wrong word standing in front of a 500 pounds woman and so on. When you live in Vietnam, it's called tough sh_t. Everyone has to wake up every morning, leave behind their inner 10-year-old behind and fight to survive.
When you're in Vietnam and your are offended because people call you "nguoi tau," which is not even as offensive as someone calling an American, a Yankee, you are might as well taking a stick and beat yourself senseless because that's what they'll do to you.
This is my last response to member 2234 because we are not here to talk non-sense. Let's get on with life.!

Hardlock1

06-03-10, 18:30

yeah get on with life ya twat and stop being racist then still having the cheek to say you are correct and I am wrong! Ya F'in Yankee! (no offense to all other americans on this board, but this twat brought it on himself as you can all see)You are right, 2234. It isn't about being so sensitive, it is about common courtesy, everywhere, including here in this forum.

My Viet wife is an ex-school teacher. When the Chinese and Vietnamese went to war in late 1979, the Chinese Students in the schools were ostracized, and put in separate schools. Viet teachers were asked to volunteer to teach the Ethnic Chinese kids, and very few volunteered. In fact, some teachers had to be conscripted, and consequently treated those Ethnic Chinese kids very badly. It was a very hard time in Vietnam and anti-Chinese sentiments ran very high.

My wife taught Ethnic Chinese students for 6 years. Today, when we visit Vietnam for Tet, or otherwise, there is a steady stream of her ex-students, all Ethnic Chinese, visiting the house, bringing gifts, taking us out to lunch or dinner, inviting us to parties. Not once, in all my years visiting, have I seen her be visited or contacted by even one of her ex-Vietnamese students.

I, personally, come from the largest minority peoples in the United States, the American Indians. You can just imagine what I have been called. LOL Yeah, it has made me sensitive to a lot of things, to the point that I would rather spend my time looking for all the good traits in people than wasting my time looking for shit to denigrate anyone. I wonder how all the WASP's would feel being stuck in China right smack-dab in the middle of a billion Ethnic Chinese, and being called Gwai Loh. LOL And again, that would be wrong also.

This is all just my opinion and my observations. I have quite a few Ethnic Chinese friends in Ho Chi Minh City, and I truly treasure those friendships. So yeah, I might be a little biased. But, on the other hand, I know I am not wrong in the fact that you can find a reason to give everyone their due, if you want to bother to look.

H is out

Member #2234

06-03-10, 20:26

Thanks for the support, much appreciated!
I personally get along with everyone and have nothing against any race whatsoever, even the Brits, yes alot of the Brits have called me a chinkie and even beat me up for no reason when I was as yound as at primary school, should I hate all Brits??? NO NO NO ! As that would make me as bad as them, in fact some of my best friends are Brits not Chinese origin!

I didn't want to make a big issue as I agree it dies seem child like, but I can't stand seeing racism and the c_nt who says it STILL argues that he is RIGHT!

I personally know quite a few members of this forum IN PERSON and a few of them are Americans. I don't bias them and I would never call them a yank either regardless whether they are "so called" sensitive or not, ALL races of human beings deserve RESPECT in my eyes. I am sure MANY others on this forum will agree with me that I was not making a big issue, simply standing up for human rights of fairness.

You are right, 2234. It isn't about being so sensitive, it is about common courtesy, everywhere, including here in this forum.

My Viet wife is an ex-school teacher. When the Chinese and Vietnamese went to war in late 1979, the Chinese Students in the schools were ostracized, and put in separate schools. Viet teachers were asked to volunteer to teach the Ethnic Chinese kids, and very few volunteered. In fact, some teachers had to be conscripted, and consequently treated those Ethnic Chinese kids very badly. It was a very hard time in Vietnam and anti-Chinese sentiments ran very high.

My wife taught Ethnic Chinese students for 6 years. Today, when we visit Vietnam for Tet, or otherwise, there is a steady stream of her ex-students, all Ethnic Chinese, visiting the house, bringing gifts, taking us out to lunch or dinner, inviting us to parties. Not once, in all my years visiting, have I seen her be visited or contacted by even one of her ex-Vietnamese students.

I, personally, come from the largest minority peoples in the United States, the American Indians. You can just imagine what I have been called. LOL Yeah, it has made me sensitive to a lot of things, to the point that I would rather spend my time looking for all the good traits in people than wasting my time looking for shit to denigrate anyone. I wonder how all the WASP's would feel being stuck in China right smack-dab in the middle of a billion Ethnic Chinese, and being called Gwai Loh. LOL And again, that would be wrong also.

This is all just my opinion and my observations. I have quite a few Ethnic Chinese friends in Ho Chi Minh City, and I truly treasure those friendships. So yeah, I might be a little biased. But, on the other hand, I know I am not wrong in the fact that you can find a reason to give everyone their due, if you want to bother to look.

H is out

You are right, 2234. It isn't about being so sensitive, it is about common courtesy, everywhere, including here in this forum.

My Viet wife is an ex-school teacher. When the Chinese and Vietnamese went to war in late 1979, the Chinese Students in the schools were ostracized, and put in separate schools. Viet teachers were asked to volunteer to teach the Ethnic Chinese kids, and very few volunteered. In fact, some teachers had to be conscripted, and consequently treated those Ethnic Chinese kids very badly. It was a very hard time in Vietnam and anti-Chinese sentiments ran very high.

My wife taught Ethnic Chinese students for 6 years. Today, when we visit Vietnam for Tet, or otherwise, there is a steady stream of her ex-students, all Ethnic Chinese, visiting the house, bringing gifts, taking us out to lunch or dinner, inviting us to parties. Not once, in all my years visiting, have I seen her be visited or contacted by even one of her ex-Vietnamese students.

I, personally, come from the largest minority peoples in the United States, the American Indians. You can just imagine what I have been called. LOL Yeah, it has made me sensitive to a lot of things, to the point that I would rather spend my time looking for all the good traits in people than wasting my time looking for shit to denigrate anyone. I wonder how all the WASP's would feel being stuck in China right smack-dab in the middle of a billion Ethnic Chinese, and being called Gwai Loh. LOL And again, that would be wrong also.

This is all just my opinion and my observations. I have quite a few Ethnic Chinese friends in Ho Chi Minh City, and I truly treasure those friendships. So yeah, I might be a little biased. But, on the other hand, I know I am not wrong in the fact that you can find a reason to give everyone their due, if you want to bother to look.

H is out

Johndao

06-04-10, 02:30

Yankee or 'Yank' is not necessarily an offensive term to Americans. After all, the most famous and most successful baseball team in America is the New York Yankees. But 'Yankee' usually refers to someone from the northeast US. To a southerner, 'Yankee' might be an offensive term as there was a civil war between North and South in the mid-19th Century and the Northerners were the "Yankees". I am not offended at all if someone calls me a Yank or Yankee. If someone calls me "F'in Yankee" as Member #2234 wrote below, it might be offensive despite writing 'no offense to Americans' after it.
JD

Hardlock1

06-04-10, 02:33

It might surprise you, but we love being called "Yank", as mostly it was our buddies, the Aussies calling us that. Ha ha And, mostly, it was happening at some bar, where the Aussies always refuse to let us "Yanks" spend our money. So no, we don't mind being called Yank. We love it, and the Aussies. LOL

I guess, if you said it with a sneer and your lip curled, I wouldn't like it then.

H is out

AdHome01

06-05-10, 01:52

If someone calls me "F'in Yankee" as Member #2234 wrote below, it might be offensive despite writing 'no offense to Americans' after it.
JDLOL Yes, like anything, it's all in the delivery. Also, only another Westerner would call an American Yank or Yankee.

Warriorxxx

06-05-10, 20:31

Wendella

Hi Wendella. Are you still in VN? I hope you still remember we first met at green hotel in 03. If you can please drop me an email at [Email address deleted by Admin]. I need to in touch with you for info in HCM.

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AdHome01

06-08-10, 10:24

You could also check to see if she carries a big bush between her legs. If she at least has a few stubbles, then she may have passed her puberty. It's not a sure check for age if you hit natural white tigers, but better than nothing...This is a joke, right?

Mik Hcmc

06-12-10, 07:40

It might surprise you, but we love being called "Yank", as mostly it was our buddies, the Aussies calling us that. Ha ha And, mostly, it was happening at some bar, where the Aussies always refuse to let us "Yanks" spend our money. So no, we don't mind being called Yank. We love it, and the Aussies. LOLUs Aussies also call Yanks "Seppo's" part of the rhyming slang from our colonial days. Septic tank rhymes with yank.

Don't worry, we got a shitload of words we can call yanks and their frozen yanks/sealbashers/sealclubbers :D

Deptrai

06-13-10, 05:18

Ask anyone tried tour69.net? Prices here are insane. kinda reminds of the websites you see for Thailand though. I am also familiar with some of the girls posted and I must say that what you see is usually a far cry from what you'll get.

The guy has a pretty haircut place to recommend (q.tb, near cong hoa) but that's about it though.That guy operating that website has been warned by the local authorities, and banned from other similar websites such as this. Steer clear from him if you do not like to get into any kind of trouble with local authorities.

Wendella

06-13-10, 15:02

that guy running that site is a notorious scammer, there was an expose article about him in one singapore newspaper mentioning that he offered **** girls on his website -- steer clear. he's trouble.

he also made a real nuisance of himself on another vietnam focused forum, basically signed up as many diffrent members and engaging in lots of conversations with himself in order to promote his business that way, pretending to be many satisfied customers, and also him as guru of all things in vietnam in this department. very shady character, probably mentally unbalanced.

since the website you shared here offers that particular service mentioned above, it should be deleted from this forum (and that probably goes for this post too -- my own, i mean)

Wendella

06-15-10, 18:49

Us Aussies also call Yanks "Seppo's" part of the rhyming slang from our colonial days. Septic tank rhymes with yank.

Don't worry, we got a shitload of words we can call yanks and their frozen yanks/sealbashers/sealclubbers :D

Ouch. Seal clubbers? Shouldn't that be Canadians? I can't think of a single derogatory term we Americans use for Aussies. When did you guys come up with these? Ah well, guess it's ok, cuz of course you guys are gonna come save us in World War 3. ;)

Hardlock1

06-16-10, 15:06

Wendella,

Come on man! You let him bait you, and you took it, hook line and sinker! Ha ha ha ha He was just kidding. He wrote that post intentionally to get a rise out of someone. I laughed like hell when I read it, and wasnt offended. LOL And yes, I tried to think of one single derogatory term that us Yanks have for Aussies, and couldn't think of one. Then, I just lost interest in coming up with one because I like Aussies so much. So to hell with it. Let the name calling end here, right here and right now. We got more important things to talk about, like where I am going to go and what I am going to do the first week of September, when I step off that plane at Tan Son Nhut! Yeah! H is coming back! Lets you, me, Sudsoz, Mick and Johndao go out and have some fun, get drunk, and once we get Johndao drunk, make him introduce us to all his little Honeys!

That gets my vote, gentlemen!

H is out

P. S Alert Milkweed also, as I do want to meet that guy.

Wendella

06-17-10, 18:18

Guess I shoulda stuck a winky smiley in there to make it clear my own was meant in fun too. I'm an expat here, know plenty of Aussies here -- my closest friends -- plus have family ties to Oz -- that's the kinda zinger that's typical whenever this kind of 'namecalling' gets going.

Anyway, great you're coming in Sept -- but sorry to say I'm "retired" -- I'm in a ... kinda... situation now, so can't be active like in the good old days.

Toddtworip

06-20-10, 06:29

Hoang Hai Long Hotel in Pham Hong Thai Street. You can also try Ha Hien Hotel in Ly Tu Trong Street which is definitely girl friendly.

Toddtworip

06-21-10, 18:02

AdHome01

06-22-10, 01:27

So late last year 2010, I visit HCMC for the first time.

You’re asking about the 2 extremes of the VN mongering spectrum; high-end hostess bars and backpacker freelancers. I think both are a waste of time but for very different reasons. If you’re only going to be here for a short time just go to one of the Hai Ba Trung bars (lots of info here about them). You’ll pay more then you need to but less than what you’d get fleeced for at the Catwalk.

When you get back from the future, let us know how your trip went :)

Newbie

06-22-10, 09:20

So late last year 2010, I visit HCMC for the first time.

I did not have the help of ISG at that time or any other information really for that matter.

As you can probably guess, it was a very unsuccessful trip.

So as I prepare now to go on a trip, I have some questions maybe someone can clear up.

A. Pham Ngu Lao.

So I walked up and down Pham Ngu Lao around 8pm.10pm a couple of evening and did not run into any FL girls.

The only times I was approached were taxis and motorbikes wanting to take me somewhere.

So if someone can verify if FL girls do actually exist on Pham Ngu Lao and where I should be looking.

B. Catwalk

On a Friday night I took a cab last year to the New World Hotel.

After being dropped off, I took a left toward the Catwalk Club.

I noticed quite a few business men going inside, in which a row of girls would wait to be picked.

As I was not going to do any karaoke, being by myself, I went into the club/bar section, sat at the bar and ordered a drink.

Now, I was there around maybe 8pm-9pm and I was the only one there.

Was I there too early?

There were plenty of girls sitting on the couches to the far right/opposite the band stage, but none approached me for a drink.

Anyone have any suggestions on what I may have done wrong, or have things changed at the Catwalk?. Should I have come later?. Am I too approach the girls?. And are the girls FL girls?

Thanks in advance or any help.

Catwalk.

The girls in there are PRs. Meaning that they wont approach you. You have to tell the staff / manageress that you would like a hostess to accompany you for the evening at the bar. Catwalk is made up of 4 parts. Open bar area with live band, Hip hop bar, KTV rooms and KTV bars. The girls you sitting are waiting for the manageress to call them to go on Parade if customers request. Tips for the girls range from VND300K and up.

Pham Ngu Lao

Never liked that place. Dodgy and dirty area. At least to me. FLs can be found at GO2 or the new joint called Buffalo? can't really recall. They are there late. Never get onto a motorbike with anyone offering you services as 99% of the time it is a con job. They are out to steal / cheat / extort $$$ from you. Also along the park area there are numerous transvestites / lady boys riding around on bikes looking for suckers to cheat.

B Sahdow

06-22-10, 13:54

Hi All

I'm about to head off on a trip to Vietnam in a few weeks and should be able to start posting my first reports =D

I've been doing some homework on my mongering and came across this little bit:

"Galaxy Cinema at 116, Nguyen Du, District 1, is a favorite among locals and bored tourists for the plethora of Vietnamese amateur adult films that are shown hourly. For an extra 18,000 dong men are shown to a private booth with maid service. "

Being from travelwiki, this isn't exactly a fantastic source. Can anyone provide some enlightenment?

AdHome01

06-22-10, 23:28

"Galaxy Cinema at 116, Nguyen Du, District 1, is a favorite among locals and bored tourists for the plethora of Vietnamese amateur adult films that are shown hourly. For an extra 18,000 dong men are shown to a private booth with maid service. "

Galaxy is just a high-end movie Cinema, no adult movies for sure. Not a bad place to go if you want to see a movie though.

Here's the website: http://www.galaxycine.vn

Deptrai

06-23-10, 08:41

Galaxy is just a high-end movie Cinema, no adult movies for sure. Not a bad place to go if you want to see a movie though.

Here's the website: http://www.galaxycine.vnI just watch The Karate Kid at Galaxy 2 hours ago. What private room? What maid service?! Where you got that info from mate?

Mik Hcmc

06-25-10, 13:55

Apologies for the late reply, I was stuck in the middle of nowhere with buggerall internet and the net that was avl was monitered and censored.
I was refering to the canadians as seal clubbers etc as you probably worked out.

If I'm around then I'll be up for a meet n greet, Never been much of a drinker but i'll have a couple.

Wendella,

Come on man! You let him bait you, and you took it, hook line and sinker! Ha ha ha ha He was just kidding. He wrote that post intentionally to get a rise out of someone. I laughed like hell when I read it, and wasnt offended. LOL And yes, I tried to think of one single derogatory term that us Yanks have for Aussies, and couldn't think of one. Then, I just lost interest in coming up with one because I like Aussies so much. So to hell with it. Let the name calling end here, right here and right now. We got more important things to talk about, like where I am going to go and what I am going to do the first week of September, when I step off that plane at Tan Son Nhut! Yeah! H is coming back! Lets you, me, Sudsoz, Mick and Johndao go out and have some fun, get drunk, and once we get Johndao drunk, make him introduce us to all his little Honeys!

That gets my vote, gentlemen!

H is out

P. S Alert Milkweed also, as I do want to meet that guy.

One Wing Low

06-25-10, 14:27

The P4P scene in Vietnam can be very frustrating with LE enforcing confusing laws or taking advantage of confusing laws to squeeze money from everyone.

If you stay in small hotels you can ask the security guys to send girls to your room. Most would take a cut of the girls' take. If you dont like the girl, just tell him to send someone else.

Or you can ask hotel staff to recommend a few motorbike guys. The hotels know their identities and can trace them if something bad happens. Dont just go with any motorbikes as they may be setting up an ambush to beat and rob foreigners.

Ask the motorbike guys to bring the girls to you. Negotiate the girls' age, looks and rates with the guys beforehand.

When the guys bring the girls, meet them discreetly outside the hotel. If you dont like the girls, tell him to bring others. If you like the girl, try to bring them discreetly into your room. You have visiting privilege with girls until 10PM. If the hotel staff objects, you can reason with them, or try to slip them some tip, like 50K. Worst case, ask the girls to take you to girl-friendly hotels nearby.

You will pay premiums this way but you can get girls and stay safe.

So late last year 2010, I visit HCMC for the first time.

A. Pham Ngu Lao.

So I walked up and down Pham Ngu Lao around 8pm.10pm a couple of evening and did not run into any FL girls.

The only times I was approached were taxis and motorbikes wanting to take me somewhere.

So if someone can verify if FL girls do actually exist on Pham Ngu Lao and where I should be looking.

Thanks in advance or any help.

Crazy Monger76

07-03-10, 17:30

Am sure its a lot of action in HCM, but below i have described information from my experiences.

Have always stayed close to the riverside hotel either in Renaissance or Caravelle. Like most main action along Hai Ba Trung road. Starts about one block up from turn about close to the river with bars like 23, 35, 49, 52, 99....and so on. Also bars in side streets connected to Hai Ba Trung. Spending some time walking up and down the street you will find a lot of action in these "pool" bars. Each bar may have something like 15-25 girls depending on size of bar.

Apokalypse now is also a pickup location (another side street more to the right of Hai Ba Trung) from the turn about but more expensive and you will have to spend your time (more used to due Live Music and restaurant).

Bars in Hai Ba Trung is more straight to the point.

Usual price in the bars are (please bear with me as its indicative only - havent been to all):

Bar fine to take out girls - USD 25
BBBJ (usually place in the bar where u can have "small" privacy, at least #49 have that) - USD 40
Beer - USD 3
Lady Drink - USD 5-7

FS (outside in short time hotel or your own hotel if early afternoon). USD 60 (+- depend on how good you are to negotiate)

Short time hotels are a short drive away from Hai Ba Trung and Taxi cost usually 1-2 USD. All accessories needed they may provide such as condoms, but all has a cost.

For a few hours in short time hotel as you won't be allowed to take girls to most hotels (4-5 stars) after 7-8pm: USD 20

So, an evening in Hai Ba Trung with some beers and lady drinks, bring girl to short time hotel with two shots I have usually paid totally around USD 120 (VD 2. 3 Million)

Haven't manage to get a true bench mark on my nego skills and whether I am overpaying and damaging the "market". In that case I would apologise and thankful for any "correction" on what should be the appropriate cost.

OzzieSuds

07-05-10, 00:37

So, an evening in Hai Ba Trung with some beers and lady drinks, bring girl to short time hotel with two shots I have usually paid totally around USD 120 (VD 2. 3 Million)

Haven't manage to get a true bench mark on my nego skills and whether I am overpaying and damaging the "market". In that case I would apologise and thankful for any "correction" on what should be the appropriate cost.

Well I reckon that you are paying about VND1 million over the odds.

VND500k for barfine is outrageous when you consider that 3 years ago the bar managers did not know what a barfine is.

And I don't need a fancy hotel so I stay in a small but clean GF hotel.

Smartbuy

07-07-10, 16:01

Well I reckon that you are paying about VND1 million over the odds.Crikey!

My regular semipro charges 220,00VND for about an hour, everything in D1.

Mobile phone needed, and a good friend with the right contacts.

Yes, via a bar or club, expect to pay 4-10 times as much.

The kids that lie about on corners and say hey mister, want girl usually open up at 1 million, and I know out of that, the girls gets <200 - 400K only, whiney for a tip, and often are duds/starfish and go fast after the deed.

I suggest a bellhop/doorman can procure you something better for less, even if you know you are paying double, it is still a relative bargain. Easy enough to poll doormen.

Two catches. That's before 9 PM, most hotels wont allow guests / such visitors at night, not even locals and regulars.

The second is that you are not noisy /drunk and they know you will not attract attention, which may mean a couple of nights in a place that charges no more than $20-30 a night. ie not a party animal.

Those mini-hotels with tour desks, or snack services. Ask the hotel manager or the travel agent. Change some money at a goldshop, and say something like, if only I had a girl or company , then I could spend some of this. Chances are they can be very helpful - or know of a friend or even offer a non .vn hookup.

Bars are the last place I would look or use, unless you were shopping for a white 40+ white woman exploring options. ( why do you think there are african gigalos about).

Sonic

07-07-10, 23:07

Excellent info here guys, I'm doing my research before making my way down that way next month.

Does anyone know of a decent online monger map of HCMC?

Mawin0820

07-13-10, 12:13

During the second week of August, I am in Saigon and am looking for a fellow monger who can guide me around (for a couple of beers). Not really into picking girls up perse but would love to go to bars where there is something to see!

Feel free to send me a mail!

Thks

Mawin

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Mawin0820

07-13-10, 12:13

Djle7159

07-23-10, 12:39

I can show you to places that fit what you want but not for a couple of beers. I drink when things get rolling so yeah think it prob be 5 beers or so. If interested, let me know. Also can transport you on a motobike if your not scared of the thing.

Cost of beer ranges from 10,000. 80,000 [$0.50. $4 USD] depending on where you want to go. In other words, I can show you anywhere you want to go but you pay for food and drinks.

During the second week of August, I am in Saigon and am looking for a fellow monger who can guide me around (for a couple of beers). Not really into picking girls up perse but would love to go to bars where there is something to see!

Feel free to send me a mail!

Thks

Mawin

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Columpuss

07-30-10, 03:50

Sorry to hear this

Please post your updates so we can follow your pursuit! By posting your story, you could have at least send his ass running.

MutantChicken

07-30-10, 07:55

Beware of Member #2234 / Stevie / Bi Huan / Stephen Yip / the Chinese ***** with the color tattoo on his lower arm.I am really sorry to hear this story and I feel really bad that guys like this give Chinese guys like myself a bad name. But I will be brutally truthful about this, do not trust anyone here in vietnam, whether they be local, expat, white, black whatever, and if the belong to a sex forum all the more so. Apart from a few personalities here, most people are total idiots. But if you were to read member 2234 reports, you would come to a few conclusions. He is a Hong Kong Chinese living in vietnam, currently unemployed, lived here long enough to learn the language at a competant leveled, claimed to have accesss to 100, 000 USD from a withdrawel from a HSBC account, and yet she was still trying to sell genuine football shirts here, and again he said he was unemployed and was happy to tour people around for tips and payment of food.

Call me cynical, but that picture paints is some guy who is escaping from HK from either a jail sentence, some debts or just from the inabiloity to find a job, someone who lies and brags about their ecomonic situation, and just generally an unsavory character.

Thats my 2 cents on the topic. But my view is I don't trust anyone, yes a few exchanges of local intel is fine, maybe even meet up for a drink, but definately don't do any business.

Phil Istine

08-01-10, 02:51

I usually stay in pham nu lao.

Can anyone recccomend a girl friendly hotel there?

And I have never found much action in HCM,where is best to go?

Wendella

08-01-10, 07:59

Guys, regardless what he did it's against rules here to identify a person in the forum. YOu might want to PM Jackson the moderator to see if you can get those posts deleted -- otherwise he might do it himself and delete your account. I'm as anti-scammer as anyone, just wanted to give you guys here heads up.

Phil: for quick-easy but expensive there's the HBT bars (Hai Ba Trung) which also includes some that are not actually on that street but in the same area.

For cheap there's the motorbike girls. These get a lot of business, and so first thing I'd say is that risk of contracting something is pretty high. Price for them is between 250,000 to 500,000 ST.

There's also hair salons that give BJ's.

Other types of venues are difficult to do as a newbie to HCMC. I think bia oms would probably be next on the list.

I'm not gonna give details yet cuz it's too much to type, esp if you're not interested in certain scenes.

Reading a bit back in the HCMC threads (this one, bars and massage) will fill in whatever you need, but if you're specifically interested in a certain type, feel free to ask and I'll probably chirp in (along with others here) what I know.

Mik Hcmc

08-02-10, 05:40

shatin i can't believe you would waste your $ buying vietnam war era watch's and especially sight unseen. i'm sorry that you got a bum deal but honestly what were you thinking? buying watch's online is very dangerous even at the best of times. check out the stories on the watch forum's (wis, watchtalk etc)

what way were these fake? i'm curious. movements, face, hands etc? what proof do you have that these are fakes?
you never checked the authenticity from the sounds of it, only when you had sold them on to collectors did they question them.
not many people can tell the difference in older watch's, sure its easier to spot the fake rolex/omega/breit/pan/iwc etc but with a older watch thats not as popular to copy, saying that vietnamese here can and will copy anything to make a buck. there are many talented watchmakers out here, just have to be on your toes.

there is very little original memorabilia left. i spent a couple yrs searching for antique watch's, only to come up with fakes, replicas, copies and frankensteins etc even cheap russian vostok's were copied!
i remember looking around the markets and along streets at old zippo's. the outside were weathered and beat up, inside was brand new lighter.
similar story with fountain pens, old outside, brand new nibs.

anything thats "old" gets thrown out here, there was a time where all the old vespas, lambretta's were sold for scrap metal prices, now they have gone up in price as owners learnt that people (westerners) will pay stupid amounts of money for "old junk" i show my wife classic cars and she says what a old piece of junk. she doesn't believe the prices people pay for "old junk" cars.

i spent a long time searching for antique omega and vostok watch's. i found a lot of watch's. i found a lot of copies, bastardized watch's with supposed genuine movements in replica or "refurbished" cases or vice versa, "genuine" watch faces and batons mated to a chinese movement. basically i was told to my face that these are genuine watch's, priced for around usd$400-1000+ after i asked to open the back's and question the different movement inside and the lack of serial numbers on the case did i start getting the usual replies of ohh its refurbished/reconditioned/genuine case with different movement, ohh the case is not genuine because it costs too much so i put it in a replica.

if you are interested in genuine watch's at genuine prices then i can point you in the right direction. i frequent a shop on dk who's watchmaker check's the authenticity of the watch/s in question and repair/service them. i bought my speedy from him and never had any problems. he's told me many stories of tourists who bought a real watch asking him to check it over only to be told its a fake.
if your looking to make a quick buck then best head to china where even the swiss watch movements are made.

Hardlock1

08-03-10, 05:48

I will be back in Vietnam in September, about 5 weeks. One of my "adoptive daughters" introduced me, online, to a friend. The friend is mid 20's, very beautiful, sexy, nice and sweet, unmarried and not a virgin. We have chatted online for a while now, and I feel she is the genuine article, just a lonely, poor and hard-working Viet young Lady. It is easy to tell that she is a lady of some class, and she has asked me for nothing. I did ask if there was anything I could bring her, and her reply was that there are some hard-to-get videos there that she would like to have. Oh! And maybe a Lipstick. Revlon. LOL

Me, and all of the rest of you in this forum know where this is heading, right? Yeah, straight to a small, out of the way hotel with just the two of us in a room, trying to end the others life by having sex till one of us becomes the Dearly Departed. When a man gets to be my age, something like this is apt to come around only once. I would suppose it is one of those things you only get one crack at, and you need to maximize the opportunity.

However, you guys tell me. I am sure you have all read my posts here. LOL I have been praised, criticized, and had my ass kicked by Johndao a couple of times for shooting off my mouth in an inappropriate manner, so I am sure most of you have some idea of the kind of guy I am.

If I know I am going to feel guilty about this later on, should I just not let it happen? This is no working girl we are talking about. This is a poor girl who runs a small store in the front of her house, just to make 500k vnd a month to feed her and her small family. I have already offered to help them, monetarily, and she got offended and refused. So, do you see? Should I beware this Gift Horse? Or should I accept it, be fulfilled, maybe one last time, and then just wait to see what crawls out of the belly of that Horse after midnight? LOL

Okay Judges. You are up now. State your positions. I really and truly do want to know what you think.

H is out

MutantChicken

08-03-10, 10:49

Geez mik talk about rubbing salt in the guys wounds. You basically have itemised every mistake he made. I definately won't recommend you for any positions that require diplomacy?

Tony0001

08-03-10, 22:41

The friend is mid 20's, very beautiful, sexy, nice and sweet, unmarried and not a virgin. We have chatted online for a while now, and I feel she is the genuine article, just a lonely, poor and hard-working Viet young Lady. It is easy to tell that she is a lady of some class, and she has asked me for nothing. I did ask if there was anything I could bring her, and her reply was that there are some hard-to-get videos there that she would like to have.

If I know I am going to feel guilty about this later on, should I just not let it happen? This is no working girl we are talking about. This is a poor girl who runs a small store in the front of her house, just to make 500k vnd a month to feed her and her small family. I have already offered to help them, monetarily, and she got offended and refused. So, do you see? Should I beware this Gift Horse? Or should I accept it, be fulfilled, maybe one last time, and then just wait to see what crawls out of the belly of that Horse after midnight? LOL

Okay Judges. You are up now. State your positions. I really and truly do want to know what you think.

H is outYou said in an earlier post that you were married to a Viet woman. Taking that into consideration, along with you spending time in the country, you should already know the score here. Anyone seeing the two of you walking down the street will know right away. You're an older Westerner looking for some young stuff and she is a pretty Viet girl wanting money and security. Depending on what you promised her that might be travel, shopping and some spending money or something more permanent.

Do you really think she's fallen in love while chatting over the internet? Or you'll steal her heart after two days of sex because she has a fetish of old men? Listen, it is what it is. She's a pretty girl spending time with an older man in hope of getting some monetary reward. You're an older Westerner wanting to bang a hot young girl. As long as everyone gets what they are expecting, what's there to feel guilty about? I have a feeling you are the loney one about to get their broken on this one.

Like the man said:

"Now I ain't sayin' she a gold digger,

But she ain't messin' with no broke niggas"

Kanye

Mik Hcmc

08-04-10, 02:46

Geez mik talk about rubbing salt in the guys wounds. You basically have itemised every mistake he made. I definately won't recommend you for any positions that require diplomacy?

I used to be very diplomatic and tactful but that never got me anywhere, infact people used to take advantage of this.
If the goods in question were not watch's but something else then I wouldn't be so interested, since they are watch's and I have a interest in them that's what caught my attention.

To me it sounds like Shatin was trying to turn a quick $ and got caught out.
If I was to buy and sell goods I'd research the items, if there is a possibility of it being a fake/copy then I would tread more carefully. Same thing anyone else would do before buying goods to sell. They could have been LV handbags, Gucci sunglases etc, in this case they were watch's.

Shatin never proved how they were fakes, just said his customers called them out as fakes.
Like I said previously, in what way are they fakes? There's no point in saying they are fakes without proof. If you make a claim then back it up.
If he was a regular watch seller then surely he'd have a fair idea on what a fake Vs real looks like.

I tried to help out by offering him places to go and check the authenticity and purchace swiss watch's but it sounds like he's only interested in making a quick buck.

Mik Hcmc

08-04-10, 02:57

I will be back in Vietnam in September, about 5 weeks. One of my "adoptive daughters" introduced me, online, to a friend. The friend is mid 20's, So, do you see? Should I beware this Gift Horse?..........Okay Judges. You are up now. State your positions. I really and truly do want to know what you think.

H is out

You may be suprised that not all girls in VN are after a foreign passport and a rich husband. There are some genuine ones out there. Chatting with people online is one thing but in person is another.

I think wait until you come over and see for yourself.
What do you want from her and what does she want from you (apart from the dvd's and lipstick)

Go to a cafe and see what she wears clothing wise, how she carries herself,talks to the waiters, Take her shopping and buy whatever she wants (within reason of course. There's a nice white Rolls Royce in a auto importers on Cong Hoa Tan Binh for sale if any girl wants me to buy that for her then I'd be tossing her aside)
If she's acting like the girl's you've been with in the past for a overnight or couple hrs then you know what to do. If she's different then take it from there.

MutantChicken

08-04-10, 07:15

I will be back in Vietnam in September, about 5 weeks. One of my "adoptive daughters" introduced me, online, to a friend. The friend is mid 20's, very beautiful, sexy, nice and sweet, unmarried and not a virgin.

Okay Judges. You are up now. State your positions. I really and truly do want to know what you think.

H is outIt seems to me you are questioning whether you should proceed based on two concerns;

A. You just want sex and you feel she wants something more substantial and thus you don't want to play the girl

B. You are concerned she is going to play you and bleed you dry

I will address by answer part by part.

A. Put yourself in her shoes, if you were poor, yet attractive and young girl, why would you want to fraternise with and older foreign man. I am VK and I speak the language well enough to understand the intricacies to tell you that, as a young and attractive women, she would probably have plenty of older, and younger men interested in here. Some of these men would be genuine others not, most just interested in a roll in the hay just as yourself. I have known of viet plastic surgeons and overseas Vietnamese such as my self who support their gf or mistresses on 1000usd a month, so why would she choose you over a local or VK man. All women want to be supported and looked after irrespective of nationality, I can't see any woman who would be agreeable to a relationship where the only thing on offer is sex. From my conversations with Vietnamese girls I have come to a few conclusions, they think older men, less attractive men are more accommodating so they make good long term partners. The unfaithful ones can get their other needs satisfied elsewhere as they know you will also do that. They also think that foreign men are more faithful and accommodating as they know how difficult western women are.

As such I respectfully disagree with HCM Mik comment "You may be suprised that not all girls in VN are after a foreign passport and a rich husband. " Girls here want a rich husband, they don't need a foreign passport if the husband is rich, but they are realistic enuff to accept a husband that can support them at a comfortable level.

I will tell you of a couple I know, the women is in her late 20's married to a overseas Vietnamese who is a lawyer, he travels for business a lot, probably neglects her and probably isn't faithful, she hooks up with a plain looking westerner, they have sex, he does something stupid like cumming inside her, she refuses to get the morning after pill and is planning to have his baby. Now you tell me where is the sanity in this scenario, welcome to Vietnam.

My answer to you is that in most likely scenario is that she wants something more than just a roll in the hay with you, and if that's all you want, then do the right thing and stay with working girls or players. I'm not saying her reasons for wanting you are correct, but that's Vietnam.

B. If she is a player, and you just want sex, then I think that's fair game, you want sex at the cheapest possible cost, whereas she is willing to offer sex, but wants to extract the most from u.

In summary, you can only find out all this when you meet her in person, but I would say to stick with working girls if you only want sex as if you have a conscience and to be honest sex won't be that good and it won't be hassle free

Djle7159

08-04-10, 13:26

Mutant Chicken is so eloquent. I would have to agree with him. There are so many girls out there. But in the end, this is Vietnam. Cycle repeats. Were all grown ups here. Everyone in Vietnam unless, their rock stupid, knows what a foreigner is about.

If you have any integrity than don't if that's all your after.

Hardlock1

08-04-10, 13:35

Mutant, Mik, I suppose you are both right in your own way. There is no reason a beautiful 24 year old is going to be head over heels in love with an old fart like me, so she have to be getting something out of it. I guess this is just another indication of how much Vietnam is changing. And, of course, I like to consider myself a "good guy", and would not be adverse to giving some measure of help to her. And who am I to judge, anyway? I guess I just have to figure out what she considers her fair "trade-off".

I am way past the point of hurting anyone, especially myself or a willing young participant. Since I can afford that help, I guess I will just see where it leads. Thanks, guys, I appreciate you.

H is out

Deptrai

08-06-10, 05:46

Mutant, Mik, I suppose you are both right in your own way.

I am way past the point of hurting anyone, especially myself or a willing young participant. Since I can afford that help, I guess I will just see where it leads. Thanks, guys, I appreciate you.

H is outI suggest that it would be a very good idea for u to meet up with MutantChicken to talk more about it if u should think it helps. I have had very interesting in-depth exchange of views with MutantChicken on these topics many times before and I can assure u that what he has written is only the PowerPoints that summarizes the main contents. I have benefited quite a lot by learning about Vietnamese girls mentality from MutantChicken.

GreenBud

08-06-10, 10:41

I usually stay in pham nu lao.

Can anyone recccomend a girl friendly hotel there?

And I have never found much action in HCM,where is best to go?

The Viet Nghi Hotel is girl friendly (http://www.vietnghihotel.com/). It is next to the 185 bar which is next to the Go-2 Bar. It is noisy in backpacker central. The rack rates are $22, $2? and $30. You are able to get a $2 discount if you ask (similar to many mid-priced hotels in that area). Very good beds; clean; free wi-fi; small safes in room except in the $20 room; poor A/C in room 601-since the front rooms are large, the small A/C doesn't work well; noisy, especially the front; $20 and $2? rooms are very small. Was told the doorman can get you a girl (like other hotels).

The girl action has been discussed on this forum:
1) HBT hostess bars (aggressive girls who never shut the fuck up)
2) Hau Tocs (sp?) (cheap shack brothels)
3) Upstars in Buffalo and Go-2 Discos after midnight
4) FLs in Pham Ngu Lao area (not that many)
5) Certain hotels (need moto taxi to take you since it seems that it changes, so only they and informed ex-pats know). People in the Pham Ngu Lao area will approach you asking you if you want to be taken to a hotel with many girls available
6) Certain Discos (such as Gossip) has well dressed girls available
7) Others?

Phil Istine

08-12-10, 16:35

Been here two nights, learnt a lot.

Last night, did the tour.

Went to the bars first on HBC?

Various numbers, girls beautiful but too hungry.

They all wanted, ten dollar bar fine, twenty for the hotel and sixty for them.

I have seen short time hotels for 33, 000 an hour, whats that?

About two dollars?

There were many beautiful girls but full of shit.

Then crossed the bridge on DBF and found bennys, number 110.

As instructed paid 100k at the desk, proceeded upstairs with nice girl and post excellent BJ tipped 100k.

Repeated tonight-excellent again.

Girls are fun and friendly and don't whinge about CIM.

Djle7159

08-12-10, 22:18

Your right, short time hotel is around 50k, never seen one advertised more than 80k.

I can see you have a good head on your shoulders, you'll be fine here as it is some getting used to. Have you been here before?

Clinguist

09-01-10, 23:34

In summary, you can only find out all this when you meet her in person, but I would say to stick with working girls if you only want sex as if you have a conscience and to be honest sex won't be that good and it won't be hassle freeHey Mutant (or other fellow mongerers), got a situation for ya.

I'm VK, and I'm going to be in country for the first time (ever) in mid October. (Whoo hoo!) I got a working girl/mistress type situation (who I met abroad but lives in Nha Trang) that I have a great relationship with. She wants me to support her but I don't see her enough to be that guy so we mutually stopped talking to each other a few months back (per your conscience comment).

Part of me wants to call her up, and have her visit while I'm there. Great sex, have a girlfriend while I'm there, show me around, all that shit. Other part of me doesn't want to open up that door and go hunting for another no strings attached, hot ass girlfriend to show me around for while I'm there. I'm fairly generous and so some form of gifting is assumed. Part of me worries that it will take 2-3 days to find somebody fun to hang out with. Since I'm only there for 5 days, I worried about that taking too long.

What do you guys think I should do?

Any tips on GF and NICE hotels greatly appreciated. I'm still digging through the clubs and hotels threads so bear with me while I catch up.

Clinguist

09-02-10, 01:31

In summary, you can only find out all this when you meet her in person, but I would say to stick with working girls if you only want sex as if you have a conscience and to be honest sex won't be that good and it won't be hassle freeFellow mongerers. I'm going to Vietnam for the first time next month and will be staying for 5 days. I speak, but don't have any other experience that will help me navigate the landscape.

I have a WG who I met a while back, who lives in Nha Trang, and who I have always had a great time with (we'll spend a week together here or there). We have mind blowing sex in the morning, we have a great time together during the day (with whatever we're doing), and then mind blowing sex again at night.

Anyways, I stopped talking to her a few months back as I she was getting a little too emotionally attached and I didn't want to setup a mistress situation as I wasn't going to have the opportunity to see her enough.

Of course now I find I'm headed to VN, and am hoping to find a hot girlfriend situation for the week. Not really much into finding a bunch of short timers, definitely prefer the extended GFE. Based on MutantChicken's post (which I'm apt to believe), everybody I'm going to meet is going to be a WG anyways.

SO. Is it better to fly in the tried and true gal pal, or is it easier to find somebody hot and who will play the GF role for the week?

OzzieSuds

09-02-10, 22:58

Hey Mutant (or other fellow mongerers), got a situation for ya.

I'm VK, and I'm going to be in country for the first time (ever) in mid October. (Whoo hoo!) I got a working girl/mistress type situation (who I met abroad but lives in Nha Trang) that I have a great relationship with. She wants me to support her but I don't see her enough to be that guy so we mutually stopped talking to each other a few months back (per your conscience comment).

Part of me wants to call her up, and have her visit while I'm there. Great sex, have a girlfriend while I'm there, show me around, all that shit. Other part of me doesn't want to open up that door and go hunting for another no strings attached, hot ass girlfriend to show me around for while I'm there. I'm fairly generous and so some form of gifting is assumed. Part of me worries that it will take 2-3 days to find somebody fun to hang out with. Since I'm only there for 5 days, I worried about that taking too long.

What do you guys think I should do?

Any tips on GF and NICE hotels greatly appreciated. I'm still digging through the clubs and hotels threads so bear with me while I catch up.My suggestion is that you take the ferry to Vung Tau and fish in the bars mid-week when there are no crowds. Quite sure you can find a nice natural gal who will be happy to come back to Saigon with you if you wish. You may have to pay the first night and be something of a sugardaddy after that.

Bali1111

09-06-10, 19:01

Johndao

09-07-10, 02:35

Could this actually be legit www.Tour69.net seems a bit too good to be true, and, given prostitution is illegal in Vietnam, I can't imagine how this site owner could get away with this. Also, I saw this on YouTube. Are these places plentiful, and do they cater to white tourists? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GepdFElwTSg&feature=related

Again, I'm skeptical.
Right, Tour69.net is NOT legit, do not contact him.

About the Le Duyen haircut place on the youtube video, yes, this is legit and these places are plentiful. Le Duyen itself has at least 4 or 5 shops around the center of town. But there are no sexual services at these places. Just pretty girls to wash your hair and face and give you a massage with your (and her) clothes on in a non-private room. All are welcome regardless of race or color and it is not very expensive.
JD

Bali1111

09-07-10, 03:24

Right, Tour69.net is NOT legit, do not contact him.

About the Le Duyen haircut place on the youtube video, yes, this is legit and these places are plentiful. Le Duyen itself has at least 4 or 5 shops around the center of town. But there are no sexual services at these places. Just pretty girls to wash your hair and face and give you a massage with your (and her) clothes on in a non-private room. All are welcome regardless of race or color and it is not very expensive.

JDThanks for the info. where can one find girls that look like those at Le Duyen offering more than a shave and a haircut? I'll be in VN Nov for two weeks, starting in Hahoi, ending in HCMC

Doodie1

09-07-10, 16:44

I search the forum and found a few post from a couple of years ago on smoking weed, just wondering what the current situation is? Where are the areas to easily buy weed and can you smoke it in public?Visit the backpackers area in D1, Bui Vien, De Tham, PNL. People will offer it to you on the streets. I've been to Lily bar on Bui Vien (I think) and someone there seems to be always smoking. One night there was a group of 3-4 guys sitting outside rolling them up and smoking at their table. I can't speak about the quality, haven't smoked in almost 2 years.

Johndao

09-08-10, 02:30

Thanks for the info. where can one find girls that look like those at Le Duyen offering more than a shave and a haircut? I'll be in VN Nov for two weeks, starting in Hahoi, ending in HCMCBali, Please Read The Forum. All the info you seek is here and has been repeated over and over again. Just give some time and read through HCMC Massage and you will see.
JD

Bali1111

09-08-10, 07:15

Bali, Please Read The Forum. All the info you seek is here and has been repeated over and over again. Just give some time and read through HCMC Massage and you will see.

JDThanks JD. One last question and probably a dumb one: Can I access this site from VN or does gov regulate internet?

MutantChicken

09-08-10, 09:16

Thanks JD. One last question and probably a dumb one: Can I access this site from VN or does gov regulate internet?Bali what JD does ish fu*cks a gal then makes the bus trip to cambodia 8hrs long then posts on this forum.

Raverboy

09-08-10, 10:31

Thanks JD. One last question and probably a dumb one: Can I access this site from VN or does gov regulate internet?

Not a dumb question but it certainly has a slightly dumb answer: Yes you can and Yes it does.

Depchai

09-09-10, 04:37

I've been reading the forum, trying to plan a short trip to VT, and some of the post are a bit old. I've been there before, but never mongering. What are the bar or other venues to hit these days, and are the GF hotels, etc. What's the drill? Some old posts mentioned hotels with massage girls that come to the room, or offer FS. Any advice is welcome.

DT

OzzieSuds

09-09-10, 23:31

MikeInBrazil

09-10-10, 15:32

My Da nang portion of the trip is over, now I’m in HCMC. My 1st day in Saigon was spent checking out many of the bars around HBT area. I first started at Apopcolpse Now, but since it was early it was dead as hell. Next I decided to try out the numbered bars, started at 51 which turned out to have a nice selection of girls but they would not budge on the 1mil price. I remember reading on here it should be 400,000 for ST and 700,000 for LT so I decided to pass on that idea. Next up was 49, which was similar to 51. I decided not to partake in any of the girls since I couldn’t get the price I wanted they all wanted 1 mil here too. Last stop of the night was NY SAI GON which is on 44 Dong Du, right next to the number bars. I found this place to be more relaxing as the girls were not aggressive. I found a really short cutie and we seemed to click, bar fine was 400,000 but by the time I got to this place it was kind of late. I decided to just get her number and hang out with her another time.

MikeInBrazil

09-10-10, 15:34

I spent all day doing tourist activities outside of HCMC so I wasn't quite interested in picking up a girl and just banging. I wanted to relax after such a long day. I decided to check out one of those beauty salons with the hot chicks in the window. I can't believe how awesome of an experience this was, got a great hair cut, followed by a great head massage, followed by one of the best massages I've ever had plus the girl was incredibly cute. The only downside of this girl is she didn't speak any English and my Vietnamese is limited. While getting a massage from her I asked if she wanted to go out to dinner with me after the massage, she said she got off at 8 and for me to call her afterwards.

After asking this girl out I realized I had asked another girl out yesterday, since I wanted some company of someone I could easily talk to I decided to blow of this girl and go with the chick from NY SAI GON. When I called her up she said would hang out with me today provided I pay the bar fine of 400, 000. We went out to a nice restaurant followed by a coffee joint, this girl is really sweet. Back in the states it seems like the girls are all jaded, they mostly do this because of their addiction to drugs or a pimp. The girls here seem like they are doing this to support family, If a girl in the states told me this I would not believe them for one second. I truly believe this girl is a real sweet heart, who has had a rough life. Once again since I was so tired I decided not to take her to a hotel for some FS, plus after hearing her story it's kind of hard to just objectify here.

Columpuss

09-11-10, 02:54

Brazil

Are you new to the mongering scene? Don't listen to those sad stories. It is maybe true, but the intention is to get at your pocket. The girl works in the bar. Don't go comparing her with women from anywhere. Bar girls are all the same no matter where they are from

Jim Daili

09-11-10, 06:16

Will be staying in park hyatt in hcm and as I am with colleague I need to be discreet. Where shall I go to have day action (beginning of the afternoon or end of the morning) and is there any possibility to bring the girl back to my park hyatt room.

Thanks in advance for your info.

MikeInBrazil

09-11-10, 08:07

Jim, I'm staying in Park Hyatt right now, if you want a wing man let me know. I will be leaving soon though, on the 12th.

MikeInBrazil

09-11-10, 08:14

Met up with one of the girls from NY SAI GON for dinner tonight, I really don't like eating alone. After dinner she wanted to call it a night since she worked a long day, I was finally feeling good as I didn't have to wake up at the butt crack of dawn.

Decided to hit up 51 bar, I know those bars are overpriced for Viet standards but since I'm alone I don't want to travel far from my hotel. Can't recall the girls name I got but she was a cutie, standard fee $50 for her then $25 bar fine and $25 hotel. Boy this girl was the best performer I've had in Vietnam so far, she did everything I asked and did some things I was surprised with.

MikeInBrazil

09-11-10, 09:47

You can bring a girl to Park Hyatt, just did it yesterday. Make sure you do it early though, the girl just needs to check in with her ID.

OzzieSuds

09-11-10, 22:39

Jim Daili

09-12-10, 07:19

Thanks Mike for your offer but will arrive after your departure. Where can I find some actions during the day close to the Park Hyatt as I will be free. Without colleagues. From 10 am to 3 PM

Thanks in advance for your info.

Milkweed

09-13-10, 07:37

2. Anyone ever visited the street cafes on Le Hong Phong street just near the corner of Tran Hung Dao in D5? They look very dubious, in a good way.

I didn't see any follow up to this old post. I went to Ban Bi Cafe at the bottom of Le Hong Phong yesterday. Nothing nefarious that I could see. They have some cute and waifish 18 year old waitresses Ca phe sua da is 17,000D. Somewhat loud music, HBO with VN subtitles, young VN men smoking and drinking black coffee. The cutest waitress sat at my table for a couple minutes. I practiced my meager VN with her, but it was difficult with the loud music, her soft voice and my accent. She rotated to another table and sat next to the VN guy there. I don't think he said anything to her, but kind of stared at her with the googly eyes.

Cafe Ban Bi is probably the least dubious looking of these cafes and the only one with off the street parking. Riding by the other cafes I spotted some waitresses in sexy get-ups, but I suspect that the cafes are similar.

I don't know if I see the appeal of this place. The waitresses are cute, but otherwise the place was pretty charmless.

Sometimes I like to go somewhere to just hang out with a cute girl. I discovered that some pool halls here have women on staff who will play pool with you. It's pretty cheap and an enjoyable way to pass some time.

Anyone have recommendations for other places to hang with a cute girl and relax? I'll post some other recommendations later, but I don't have the details with me now.

Hardlock1

09-19-10, 14:05

Likely some of you will remember a while back when I had a dilemma. I wrote about the very pretty young girl here who I thought was offering, and I didn't know what I was going to do.

I'm here in Saigon now, been here for a week, and I finally went out to meet her. I had no idea she was so lovely as I had only seen this kid on a webcam. My word! I guess that in the flesh is always much better. Well, I had already decided to be a nice guy, and not monger on such a sweet, lovely young girl from a good family. I figured I could see her, and just spend the rest of my life dreaming about what I had missed.

It didn't work out that way! We sat in front of her little store, talking while I drank a beer, and finally she made a comment to the effect that she would love to have the chance to massage my bad back, and something about 'poor H'. Well, that cut it. I politely asked where she had in mind for doing that, and she promptly said, follow me. LOL I did. We did. I have to say, for an old fart, I think I held my own. Although, I cannot be sure of that, however rest assured I damn sure tried. I asked her, afterward, if she thought I should have taken some Viagra, (LOL), and she replied something to the effect of 'sure, go ahead if you want to just kill me! '. Funny.

Also, I can't be sure of this, but I do believe I had her undivided attention the second time I made her cum. By the third time she had cum, I knew for a fact I had it. Then, I decided to go ahead and take her out of her misery and make love to her. All bullshit aside, I'm glad I did. I did myself a favor. So, conscience be damned. I have heard it said that a stiff dick has no conscience. Hell, I guess its true.

I am going to post a couple of pics in a day or two. No nudes. Once I sort thru them, I want to show you the body that got ahold of me and wouldn't turn loose. My word, oh my.

H is out

Toddtworip

09-20-10, 18:50

You can bring a girl to Park Hyatt, just did it yesterday. Make sure you do it early though, the girl just needs to check in with her ID.Hey Mike,

Looks like a 3 star hotel or better. They now GF?

Anyone else with same success?

Thanks

Mik Hcmc

09-20-10, 21:47

Why does Mike In Brazil's name get replaced with a bunch of ****'s?

Tiger 888

09-21-10, 00:54

Why does Mike In Brazil's name get replaced with a bunch of ****'s?
I believe there must be a website with the same name that hosts a forum so that it is censored here.

Johndao

09-21-10, 01:37

I believe there must be a website with the same name that hosts a forum so that it is censored here.
The Vietnamese Communist Government censors less than this website.

Moderator: Any website with sexual content is not your competitor to be shunned and asterisked. Bringing more together and linking adds to your viewers and readership, it does not detract. Ever see streets with lots of bars and restaurants on them? They don't take away business from one another, they make that street a destination for eaters and drinkers.
JD

Hardlock1

09-28-10, 00:21

Thanks guys, for all your reports and contributions. Thanks JD for all the pics. I have been here 3 weeks now and am ready to go home to Cali. This time was different. I brought a friend along, a guy closer to being a brother than a friend. He also served here during the long conflict, and it was an emotional experience for him. Well, in more ways than one. LOL

One afternoon, I had finally decided that it was time for his initiation into the seamy side of Saigon Life, and took him to NPK. It was an experience for both of us! For him, it was like I had just taken him thru the Pearly Gates. For me, as I lay on that table, listening to him and his girl, it was all I could do to keep from belly-laughing. I kept wondering if we all sound that way. LOL

I had gone over the ground rules very carefully with him. Still, he ended up trying to give the money to the girl instead of Mamasan. When he got downstairs, Mamasan held out her hand, and he had to pay her, but then, he kept saying he had given 200K to his girl. Finally, we got outside, me chewing his ass, and he found the 200K he had given the girl in his right-hand pants pocket! I made a point of telling him, "the girls know the rules even if you don't! " He did not over-tip, as I had vehemently warned him of this.

Finally, he wanted to know how I knew my way around Saigon so well, and I said, "aside from spending 2 years here during the conflict, I have a whole host of brothers running around this town, helping us both out! "

One last note: forget Hotel Thanh Nghia on Nguyen Khem Street. They are in the middle of remodeling, and it is all fucked up. Secondly, the quality and appearance of the girls has deteriorated to the point of insanity. Save your money for a better place.

Thank you guys! We appreciate you and all your reports.

H is out

AdHome01

09-28-10, 15:01

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I am going to post a couple of pics in a day or two. No nudes. Once I sort thru them, I want to show you the body that got ahold of me and wouldn't turn loose. My word, oh my.

H is out

Looking forward to seeing what got your conscious all twisted about. Hope you still plan on posting a few pics.

Thanks!

Doodie1

10-11-10, 14:44

Does anyone know where to watch AMERICAN football in HCMC? I need to do something between the other physical activities going on here ;). Thanks.The only way I have found to watch football is via the internet. Here's a great site that shows a ton of NCAA games, all the NFL games and any other sporting event you could ever want to watch for FREE. http://www.myp2pforum.eu/ You have to download a p2p viewing program like stream torrent or sopcast etc., depends on which one the host is broadcasting with. If you have a good connection there is usually no lag at all, I have a dsl line and rarely have any issues, beside staying awake! Enjoy.

PolyOrchid

10-13-10, 10:36

Bert Omea

10-15-10, 08:57

Hi folks,

I've been lurking a long time but have never posted. Wanted to share a story that I suppose is pretty amusing now that it's over.

I've been to HCMC about 10 times for work. The last time was back in Aug.

So I picked up a girl at a pickup bar. Don't even remember which one because I was drunk but it was by the May Hotel. After a short negation, we went to a short time hotel by Ben Thanh Market. Don't remember the girl's name but she was a cute little thing.

Anyways, she starts off by giving me a BBBJ. About 5 minutes into it, the maid (probably about 50 yrs old) walks in and stares at us. I thought she wanted to join us or something, but instead started saying something in Vietnamese to my girl. So right in the middle of my BJ, she stops and tells me the police are raiding and that we need to hide. The maid took us upstairs into the attic and me and my girl hid there. A few minutes later, another couple joined us in the attic to hide.

We could hear the policeman coming up the stairs and the maid came up right before and told us to run down the backway stairs to avoid the cops. So the 4 of us run down stairs and hide in a small back room on the first floor. Eventually the cops come back down stairs and the maid rushes the 4 of us up to the attic again through the back way staircase.

All of this lasted about 20-25 minutes.

So once the coast was clear, my girl offered to finish the deed. At this point, I should've just called it a night, but my hormones were still raging so we went back to our room and she gave me a BBBJ. We went at it for about 30 min and I finished by CIM.

Anyways, it was a bit of an adventure, but the story did have a happy ending. I heard a few days later that the police have recently been trying to crack down a lot. Haven't been back since Aug, but will be returning in Dec.

Johnnyok

10-16-10, 08:02

I don't see a "travel plans" area in VN section so am posting here.

Making my first trip to VN and Saigon tomorrow for a week. Anyone there and wanting to hook up, hit me up here.

Thanks,

PolyorchidHi poly,

I'll be there from the 17 Oct.

Maybe we can hook up for a beer.

Let me know.

Johndao

10-16-10, 16:40

So I picked up a girl at a pickup bar. Don't even remember which one because I was drunk but it was by the May Hotel. After a short negation, we went to a short time hotel by Ben Thanh Market. Don't remember the girl's name but she was a cute little thing.

Anyways, she starts off by giving me a BBBJ. About 5 minutes into it, the maid (probably about 50 yrs old) walks in and stares at us. I thought she wanted to join us or something, but instead started saying something in Vietnamese to my girl. So right in the middle of my BJ, she stops and tells me the police are raiding and that we need to hide. The maid took us upstairs into the attic and me and my girl hid there. A few minutes later, another couple joined us in the attic to hide.

We could hear the policeman coming up the stairs and the maid came up right before and told us to run down the backway stairs to avoid the cops. So the 4 of us run down stairs and hide in a small back room on the first floor. Eventually the cops come back down stairs and the maid rushes the 4 of us up to the attic again through the back way staircase.

All of this lasted about 20-25 minutes.

So once the coast was clear, my girl offered to finish the deed. At this point, I should've just called it a night, but my hormones were still raging so we went back to our room and she gave me a BBBJ. We went at it for about 30 min and I finished by CIM.

Anyways, it was a bit of an adventure, but the story did have a happy ending. I heard a few days later that the police have recently been trying to crack down a lot. Haven't been back since Aug, but will be returning in Dec.
Funny story. Would you have wanted the maid to join in? Which bar did you meet her in? What did she cost you?
There will be more and more stuff like this happening in the run up to the Party Congress early next year, the once in 5 years happening where they announce the new 'leaders' and issue a resolution for the next 5 years for all to 'follow'. Problems mostly in the central districts.
JD

Milkweed

10-18-10, 04:15

Alwayshard45

10-18-10, 04:22

Raverboy

10-18-10, 04:27

Milkweed

10-18-10, 06:49

Johndao

10-18-10, 07:18

Can someone explain waitresses for me? Last night I was riding on that little road by the canal. There are lots of cafes there. Some have cute girls sitting around. I saw one that I liked a lot so I stopped and got a drink. I introduced myself in tviet and asked for her phone number. I only had a few minutes so I left once I got that.

What's the proper approach here?
It's the same as any other girl whose phone number you get. Nothing different because she is a waitress in a cafe. She's not a prostitute. What's your approach generally? Invite her to do something like have a drink or go for lunch or dinner.

Waitresses may be able to get more phone numbers because they are often young and cute and sometimes encouraged to wear short shorts so guys will come in and hang for a while. I've never gotten a phone number or invited a waitress out.

JD

Milkweed

10-18-10, 07:47

I've never gotten a phone number or invited a waitress out.

JD

Oh, so why are you giving me advice? ;-)

Alwayshard45

10-18-10, 09:42

This cafe is on the Thi Nghe Channel on Le Binh Street. It's near CMT8. I'm looking at google maps. Not sure of the District.

No bushes in front. I think it's just a cafe that has pretty waitresses to sit with customers so they can charge 16,000 for a green tea.

I usually date normal girls or go to hot tocs. I'm not really experienced with grey areas. But I think some guys here "date" waitresses...maybe semipros? And I know John Dao has some way of propositioning random women. Maybe he has some kind of radar that I'm lacking.

This area is in Q.TB. I know that canal area well. Lots of the area is under construction. With this being just a normal coffee shop with hot girls, but not a "ca phe om", the girls give out numbers for a few reasons. But of which is the same as the girls who work in the Hot Toc's (not BnGs). Plan of attack would be the same.

I say you normally date "normal girls" or go to "hot tocs". You are aware this is night and day, right?

Milkweed

10-19-10, 04:19

Alwayshard45

10-19-10, 06:20

oh, John Dao, I just remembered a report you did a while ago. You banged an 18 year old waitress from a cafe I think. I remember you said you paid her tuition at school and maybe it was a thank you bang. So, maybe you are being humble when you say you never got a waitresses phone #.

I know about the night and day thing, of course. I guess what I'm saying is I usually don't date cafe waitresses or legitimate hot toc girls or bida girls etc. This is an area that I'd like to explore more now that my tviet is improving. Maybe it's the same as dating a university student or a professional girl. I don't know. I suspect that it's a little different.

Of course everyone is different, and comes from different backgrounds etc. But for the most part, I would say that girls working in the service industries (hot toc, bida, or restaurants) are NOTHING like dating girls/women with corporate jobs or university students.

If you start dating one of them for awhile, after about a month or two (generally speaking) they will tell you some story about a family member in need, and they need to "borrow" money from you. From a few million to a large amount, depending on how much they think they can extract from you. This is a VERY common practice here. Don't ever expect to see that money again. University students are young, and needy. After dating for awhile they will probably start hinting to you to help pay for school. Women working for a company are a little bit older, not as needy, but after dating a while will start looking for marriage. Each one has its pro's and con's.

There are some good girls out there, but, they seem to be harder and harder to come by these days.

Johndao

10-20-10, 06:55

I've marked some maps of the city showing approximate locations for Blow and Go (BnG) places, Streetwalkers (SW) and Moto Girls (Moto).

The areas are in Districts 1, 5, 7 and Binh Thanh (Q1, Q5, Q7, QBT).

There is really nothing new here, everyplace has been discussed in the VN Threads, I just marked them on the map.

Notes:
1) The Nguyen Dinh Chieu Moto Girl Market in Q1 is nighttime only.

2) The Nguyen Chi Thanh Moto and SW Market is open all day but especially around 11 am to 1 pm and then again after 7 pm.

3) The Nguyen Thi Minh Khai SW market on the south side in front of the Zoo is mostly nighttime. The bridge to QBT from there is day time. Beyond that is Moto, not SW.

4) Tu Xuong St is nighttime only.

5) All places marked in Q7 are BnG only, no SW or moto.

6) The old lady market in Q5 near Hung Vuong on Hong Bang St is a kink specialty -- beware.

JD

Johndao

10-20-10, 07:04

oh, John Dao, I just remembered a report you did a while ago. You banged an 18 year old waitress from a cafe I think. I remember you said you paid her tuition at school and maybe it was a thank you bang. So, maybe you are being humble when you say you never got a waitresses phone #.

Yes MW, you are right, Hieu. But it was very informal, nothing to call dating, no phone numbers. I frequented the cafe where she worked, she sat with me and talked as that is her job. One day she implied she was short of money (a very small amount for school fee). I asked how much and when she said 150k, I took it out of my pocket and handed it to her without discusion. Next time at the cafe I asked her what time she gets off and what she is doing. I invited her to do something. I picked her up at that time a few days later. She asked where we were going as we were riding. I told her I was tired and need to rest, so to a nearby hotel. She said ok. You saw the pictures of the rest of our time. Her face partly blocked. Her mouth very full. We did the same routine a few weeks later, money for school fee one day, to the hotel a few days later. No direct connection between the two events time wise, but obviously we both understood there was. Some time later the cafe was gone and so was she. No phone, no email, not even a real name. That's how I like it.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1550&page=13&pp=20

JD

PolyOrchid

10-20-10, 11:12

I've marked some maps of the city showing approximate locations for Blow and Go (BnG) places, Streetwalkers (SW) and Moto Girls (Moto).

The areas are in Districts 1, 5, 7 and Binh Thanh (Q1, Q5, Q7, QBT).

There is really nothing new here, everyplace has been discussed in the VN Threads, I just marked them on the map.

Notes:
1) The Nguyen Dinh Chieu Moto Girl Market in Q1 is nighttime only.

2) The Nguyen Chi Thanh Moto and SW Market is open all day but especially around 11 am to 1 pm and then again after 7 pm.

3) The Nguyen Thi Minh Khai SW market on the south side in front of the Zoo is mostly nighttime. The bridge to QBT from there is day time. Beyond that is Moto, not SW.

4) Tu Xuong St is nighttime only.

5) All places marked in Q7 are BnG only, no SW or moto.

6) The old lady market in Q5 near Hung Vuong on Hong Bang St is a kink specialty -- beware.

JDJd,

Great info. I knew something special would present itself for my last night in Saigon. Unless the 22 year old from Craigslist lewdly detains me.

If not tonight, then I will definitely check out this scene when I move here permanently in December.

Thanks to you and all the rest of the Saigon troops who have so graciously helped me out. I hope to repay the favors with my own contributions when I return.

Poly

D Cups

10-21-10, 04:20

JD, you da THE MAN! Thanks for these maps! I am in HCMC right now and will go to some places based on your advice.

I met some hot toc beauties including one with big boobs at Benny's but have not been successful getting them to come back to my hotel. It is not a GF hotel but I talked the manager into letting me bring my "legitimate" GF over. Now I have to get one!

They had some stunners at Apocalypse Now disco who offered to spend the night for $100 US. Damn these girls have gotten greedy. Still, a hundred-dollar overnight call girl in USA is impossible so I might just have to spring for it.

Happy Horndogging and special thanks to all the boob hounds who posted boob photos.

I've marked some maps of the city showing approximate locations for Blow and Go (BnG) places, Streetwalkers (SW) and Moto Girls (Moto).

The areas are in Districts 1, 5, 7 and Binh Thanh (Q1, Q5, Q7, QBT).

There is really nothing new here, everyplace has been discussed in the VN Threads, I just marked them on the map.

Notes:
1) The Nguyen Dinh Chieu Moto Girl Market in Q1 is nighttime only.

2) The Nguyen Chi Thanh Moto and SW Market is open all day but especially around 11 am to 1 pm and then again after 7 pm.

3) The Nguyen Thi Minh Khai SW market on the south side in front of the Zoo is mostly nighttime. The bridge to QBT from there is day time. Beyond that is Moto, not SW.

4) Tu Xuong St is nighttime only.

5) All places marked in Q7 are BnG only, no SW or moto.

6) The old lady market in Q5 near Hung Vuong on Hong Bang St is a kink specialty -- beware.

JD

Johndao

10-21-10, 09:15

JD, you da THE MAN! Thanks for these maps! I am in HCMC right now and will go to some places based on your advice.

They had some stunners at Apocalypse Now disco who offered to spend the night for $100 US. Damn these girls have gotten greedy. Still, a hundred-dollar overnight call girl in USA is impossible so I might just have to spring for it.
Right, impossible. Also can't get factory workers six days-a-week in the USA for $60 per month. Can't even get 'em for $100. Not yet anyway. But that's where we are headed.

JD

Cruiserxl

10-22-10, 11:54

Read the reports here for the first time just now, especially Johndao's and I must say need to visit Vietnam as soon as possible.

I travelled a lot in the whole world, missed it until now, but these girls attract me so strongly.

Will report to you!

Redcurry

10-22-10, 19:21

I've marked some maps of the city showing approximate locations for Blow and Go (BnG) places, Streetwalkers (SW) and Moto Girls (Moto).

The areas are in Districts 1, 5, 7 and Binh Thanh (Q1, Q5, Q7, QBT).

There is really nothing new here, everyplace has been discussed in the VN Threads, I just marked them on the map.

Notes:
1) The Nguyen Dinh Chieu Moto Girl Market in Q1 is nighttime only.

2) The Nguyen Chi Thanh Moto and SW Market is open all day but especially around 11 am to 1 pm and then again after 7 pm.

3) The Nguyen Thi Minh Khai SW market on the south side in front of the Zoo is mostly nighttime. The bridge to QBT from there is day time. Beyond that is Moto, not SW.

4) Tu Xuong St is nighttime only.

5) All places marked in Q7 are BnG only, no SW or moto.

6) The old lady market in Q5 near Hung Vuong on Hong Bang St is a kink specialty -- beware.

JDGreat Info JD

I'm living in Bkk, never been to VN but your work inspires to me hop over asap.

Run Marathon

10-23-10, 09:07

Hallo to All Experts there !

I will visit Saigon my first time soon in November and will stay in a hotel near the Ben Tanh market.

Is there some action around there, exspecially Moto Girls or Bars.

I have read teh Forum and learned, there will be some MiniHotels around, but nothing about girls.

Can you give me some advice?

Many Thanks

Mik Hcmc

10-23-10, 18:45

I have read teh Forum and learned, there will be some MiniHotels around, but nothing about girls.

Can you give me some advice?

Probably read the forum again. If you say there is nothing about girls in the forum then what are we posters discussing?

El Mujerista

10-24-10, 00:40

You can bring a girl to Park Hyatt, just did it yesterday. Make sure you do it early though, the girl just needs to check in with her ID.Mike,

1. How early is "early?" When does the carriage turn into a pumpkin? ;-)

and

2. Once she's in, is she good for the night?

Any assistance you can give will be greatly appreciated.

Happy Hunting,
EM

BionicMan

10-24-10, 01:33

Mike,
1. How early is "early?" When does the carriage turn into a pumpkin? ;-)
and
2. Once she's in, is she good for the night?
Any assistance you can give will be greatly appreciated.
Happy Hunting,
EM
I think the rule in the hotels is that no guest can stay in the rooms after 9pm.
If the girl ID has been left or copied at reception the hotel know there someone extra in the room. If you could smuggle her through earlier than it should not be a problem to' keep her overnight till breakfast time when hotel lives up again.
Rule is that Vietnamese cannot be in hotel rooms with strangers, that is the starting point.

Alwayshard45

10-24-10, 06:06

I think the rule in the hotels is that no guest can stay in the rooms after 9pm.
If the girl ID has been left or copied at reception the hotel know there someone extra in the room. If you could smuggle her through earlier than it should not be a problem to' keep her overnight till breakfast time when hotel lives up again.
Rule is that Vietnamese cannot be in hotel rooms with strangers, that is the starting point.

Good luck with that smuggling...the Park has security cameras throughout the hotel (lobby, elevators, hallways etc) along with a security staff to monitor such activities. Assuming you were able to make it to the room without being stopped, you will receive a phone call to the room within a few minutes requiring you to register the girl. If you wish to not listen, there will be someone there at the door knocking. Personal experience. Security is more robust at the nicer hotels, especially the PH, since they cater to international government officials etc.

BionicMan

10-24-10, 06:39

Hah Baht

10-24-10, 12:31

Just got back from a week in HCMC. I stayed at the Spring Hotel, and it was very nice for the price. I wish I had read these pages a little more thoroughly befor going, but I still managed to have a great time. Just by luck, or providence, I did happen to find NPK and what a lucky find it was. Tried two different places there, both of them terrific and great value. I visited the second one every day I was there.
I also managed to find a few of the 'billiards' places that were a kick. I liked the girls there a lot, they get right to the point, but a bit more expensive.
Also made it to Apocalypse Now. Thought it was an ok place to have a drink or two, but the talent was not to my liking.
The food was outstanding everywhere I went. The best place was a restaurant on Pastuer that I forgot the name of. Terrific food in a nice atmosphere for next to nothing.
All in all an excellent time was had. My only regret is that I didn't readup as I should had and probably missed some 'hidden' gems.
Thanks for all of you that have posted and managed to glean some info from.

AdHome01

10-24-10, 20:58

Good luck with that smuggling...the Park has security cameras throughout the hotel (lobby, elevators, hallways etc) along with a security staff to monitor such activities. Assuming you were able to make it to the room without being stopped, you will receive a phone call to the room within a few minutes requiring you to register the girl. If you wish to not listen, there will be someone there at the door knocking. Personal experience. Security is more robust at the nicer hotels, especially the PH, since they cater to international government officials etc.

I second this. On two occasions I brought girls to hotels that we not GF. Both times the hotel manager called up to the room telling me the girl had to leave.

With the first hotel I ignored the calls and the manager continued calling every 5 minutes until I unplugged the phone. The next day the manager told the girl she wasn’t welcome there and not to come back. The staff wasn’t any nicer to me. When checking out was made to wait 20 minutes while they looked for a missing coffee spoon in the room. The whole time I waited I was given dirty looks and asked questions about my “friend”.

The best advice I can give someone is to call the hotel and ask them. Just ask if your VN girlfriend can say with you. If they don’t mind, or there is an extra cost, they will tell you. Things are always changing here and a hotel that was (or wasn’t) GF, might me different now. It’s best to do a little work for yourself and be sure.

Milkweed

10-25-10, 01:15

The food was outstanding everywhere I went. The best place was a restaurant on Pastuer that I forgot the name of. Terrific food in a nice atmosphere for next to nothing.

Maybe "Quan An Ngon". 160 Pasteur. Good place.

Hah Baht

10-25-10, 03:06

Maybe "Quan An Ngon". 160 Pasteur. Good place.
Yes, that's the place. For the price, there can't be a better estaurant anywhere, IMHO.

Johndao

10-25-10, 06:21

I will visit Saigon my first time soon in November and will stay in a hotel near the Ben Tanh market.

Is there some action around there, exspecially Moto Girls or Bars.

I have read the Forum and learned, there will be some MiniHotels around, but nothing about girls.

Can you give me some advice?

Many ThanksHey,
As you have already learned from reading thoroughly, there is nothing to be written about moto girls or bars around Ben Thanh Market. Have a good time here. Go to places written about on the Forum.

JD

Run Marathon

10-25-10, 07:59

Hey,

As you have already learned from reading thoroughly, there is nothing to be written about moto girls or bars around Ben Thanh Market. Have a good time here. Go to places written about on the Forum.

JDThanks

I will go to the other places.

Raverboy

10-25-10, 10:42

I've marked some maps of the city showing approximate locations for Blow and Go (BnG) places, Streetwalkers (SW) and Moto Girls (Moto).

The areas are in Districts 1, 5, 7 and Binh Thanh (Q1, Q5, Q7, QBT).

...

Notes:
1) The Nguyen Dinh Chieu Moto Girl Market in Q1 is nighttime only.

2) The Nguyen Chi Thanh Moto and SW Market is open all day but especially around 11 am to 1 pm and then again after 7 pm.

3) The Nguyen Thi Minh Khai SW market on the south side in front of the Zoo is mostly nighttime. The bridge to QBT from there is day time. Beyond that is Moto, not SW.

4) Tu Xuong St is nighttime only.

5) All places marked in Q7 are BnG only, no SW or moto.

6) The old lady market in Q5 near Hung Vuong on Hong Bang St is a kink specialty -- beware...

Went out on a reconnaissance mission last night with a buddy. 2 guys on 2 seperate motorbikes. Using JD's Saigon 'Hotspots' list, we covered 3) and 5) in a span of approx. 2 hours, 22:00 - 00:00. Did not stop to partake, simply reporting observations:

3) NTMK St., Thi Nghe Bridge to Q. Binh Thanh, XVNT St. - SWs were out in full force on the bridge, northbound side 3-4 girls, southbound side 6-7 girls. Also observed some activity on the sidewalk along NTMK by the zoo, before the bridge. Observed 2 or 3 pairs of girls on bikes, no helmets on, doing the circuit.

5) Rode the entire lenth of LVL in Q7 from Tran Xuan Soan till the intersection of Nguyen Huu Tho, specifically on the lookout for naughty hair salons as previously reported. Observed 2 just north of Nguyen Thi Thap and 2 just south of Cau Rach Bang 1. Of the 4, 2 had 1 or 2 lonely girls reclined on the seats, 1 was closed although lights were still on - bunch of girls sitting on the floor eating or playing cards (!), 1 had lights on but was empty. Time: approx 23:30. A previous poster reported scoring around this time. We did not see anyone worth our while to stop for.

The following is appended to JD's list above:

7) UVK St. between D2 and its termination at DBP interchange has a xe-om or 2 doing the rounds with a couple of girls riding pilion. With the number of ca phe oms on this street, I guess you could call this a xe-om-pimp / *****house-on-wheels. I love this country - If you're too shy to go to the ca phe om, the ca phe om can come to you. :D

Xe-om-pimp rode up alongside us peddling his wares. I just said 'khong, cam on anh' and rode on casually. My personal rule is I don't ask the price unless I am serious about buying. Girls looked a tad young.

Be safe out there. raverboy out.

Bumblebee69

10-25-10, 12:04

Thanks for the report JD and Raverboy. I'll be heading over in November and will be checking the hotspots mentioned.

Johndao

10-26-10, 02:16

7) UVK St. between D2 and its termination at DBP interchange has a xe-om or 2 doing the rounds with a couple of girls riding pilion. With the number of ca phe oms on this street, I guess you could call this a xe-om-pimp / *****house-on-wheels. I love this country - If you're too shy to go to the ca phe om, the ca phe om can come to you. :D

Xe-om-pimp rode up alongside us peddling his wares. I just said 'khong, cam on anh' and rode on casually. My personal rule is I don't ask the price unless I am serious about buying. Girls looked a tad young.

Right, Ung Van Khiem St has a number of Cafe Om type places and at night has moto pimps. I have only been in the area 2x, once in the day and once at night. They used to ride those young girls around the Minh Khai, Xo Viet Nge Tinh Bridge area but they seem to have been banned from the area now. Also, used to be a gaggle of them on bicycles on the NW side of the bridge, also long gone.

Yes, a tad young re: the moto-pimp girls is an understatement and I would not mess around there.

JD

Outinsg

10-27-10, 08:51

Hi,

I was in sai gon a couple years ago and went to this one brewery, which may have been near pasteur. I really liked it and plan to go back to vn this December so I want to know where it is.

I forgot the name but can describe it. It had like 2-3 levels and it had its own brewery. The stairs, floors, was mostly made of wood which looked really nice. It had tv's as well. I remember eating appetizers there like sliced squid and may sausages too.

The place was not at the corner of the street.

Does this place ring a bell with anyone?

Thanks

Johndao

10-29-10, 02:22

Outinsg

10-29-10, 05:45

Its Hoa Vien, the Czech micro brewery, bar and restaurant on Mac Dinh Chi Street. Near Nguyen Van Thu St. in District 3.

JDJD,

You are the best! Can my buddies and I buy you a drink at this place when we get to sai gon in december?

Ajashi

10-30-10, 12:16

JD,

You are the best! Can my buddies and I buy you a drink at this place when we get to sai gon in december?Terribly sorry to break it to you, but our all times hero JD failed you this time, Girls should be the stronger part - The place you are looking for is on 106 Pasteur http://www.wordhcmc.com/insider/160-general/1302-a-brewpub-tour it is close to Diamond Plaza and walking distance from major spots.

Good luck

Johndao

11-09-10, 01:55

This is my girlfriend and my maid sharing a glass of Merlot in the sitting room of my villa at the end of a hard day of shopping (Girlfriend) and scrubbing toilets and floors (Maid). Yeah, right.

The way some of you guys write to me in Replies, PMs and Email you make this place sound like a paradise. Sure, there is a lot of young, slim pussy around, virtually free. But it's no paradise.

JD

MutantChicken

11-09-10, 06:54

Mik Hcmc

11-09-10, 09:41

John you crack me up, if I was gay I'd try and fuck you even if you are middle aged and overweight kekek.

Its only gay if you/they push back :P

Alwayshard45

11-17-10, 06:01

5) All places marked in Q7 are BnG only, no SW or moto.
JD

JD, these Q7 BnGs, are they all CIM like Q1/QBT or is it hit and miss in this area?

Johndao

11-17-10, 09:33

JD, these Q7 BnGs, are they all CIM like Q1/QBT or is it hit and miss in this area?
The ones I've been to on Nguyen Thi Thap have all done a proper job of CIM as their standard. Others are more hit and miss, but be sure and tell the girl that's what you expect and more often than not they comply as best they can or are willing to do.
JD

Ajashi

11-18-10, 04:47

Terribly sorry to break it to you, but our all times hero JD failed you this time, Girls should be the stronger part - The place you are looking for is on 106 Pasteur http://www.wordhcmc.com/insider/160-general/1302-a-brewpub-tour it is close to Diamond Plaza and walking distance from major spots.

Good luckSorry a small correction: it is 107 Pasteur. The website reference is wrong send me a PM if you need me to join in and throw in my VIP card (10%) for the place.

Happy hunting

Wes Man

11-19-10, 12:46

There are still many opportunities in HCM if you care to put the effort in. Girls in some bars which are not pickup bars are available if they like you and you can charm them a little, and the same goes for some waitresses. You still have to contribute a small amount to them but far less than the HBT bars.

Still visiting the Girlie bars is a bit of fun, except they try to rush you, but they are anxious to make a deal if you are prepared to pay.

After reading reports here there was no chance of me being in HCM without going to Benny's Hot Toc.

Following instructions from past posts it was easy to find with an illuminated sign out the front in daylight.

As explained it is so simple. Walk in, pay 100.000 to reception and take your pick of 30 or 40 girls. Out onto a massage table for a 2 min massage and then into a private room. She drops your shorts and lifts your shirt to give you a thorough cleaning. She then drops her nickers and drops her boobs out for you and gets to work.

She did a first class job with CIM and then cleans you up again. Pay her 100.000 and leave. 20 mins all up with little conversation and out the door.

If I had more time I would have gone daily just for fun. 200.00 dong plus 30.00 for transport both ways from Dist 1.

Pham888

11-19-10, 20:58

Could you give direction to Benny Hot Tc.

Bigtt

11-20-10, 05:54

Hi all, I'm new to the forum.

Does anyone have any insights comparing Ho Chi Minh to Pattaya and Angeles City? I've been able to find comparisons between Pattaya and AC compared, and haven't found much regarding Ho Chi Minh.

I apologize for this not being a report. I can't seem to new threads, and I couldn't figure out the best thread to ask this.

Mash Potatoes

11-20-10, 09:16

Could you give direction to Benny Hot Tc.Seriously dude!, RTFF.

Wes Man

11-20-10, 11:18

Head away from the river in Hai Ba Trung St and turn right into Dien Bien Phu.

Keep going until you cross the bridge over the river and keep in the right lane. It is only about 250 metres after bridge with the electronic sign on the footpath. The address is 110 Dien Bien Phu st. make sure you go over the bridge as there is another 110 before the bridge. Happy Hunting. There is also another hot toc next door but I did not try it.

Wes Man

11-20-10, 11:24

Pham 888

For your information I suggest you go to the HCM massage parlour posts and look back through them.

Alwayshard45

11-20-10, 11:59

Could you give direction to Benny Hot Tc.

You have been a member for quiet some time now, you should know the search function by now. Please RTFF thoroughly before asking questions as to where something is. Benny's has been discuss a numerous amounts of times over the past few years.

I can point you in the right direction though. Please look under our "Ho Chi Minh City - Massage Parlor" forum for information pertaining to Benny's. You will find an address with the street in abbreviated form. At the top of the page you will find a link to "abbreviations". This will help you decode the street name.

As for directions to any particular place in VN, I would suggest using a local map site for accurate directions. www.diadiem.com will do the trick, also maps.google.com has been getting better, but not my preferred choice.

"Help is only give to those who wish to help themselves."

Greywolf69

11-21-10, 06:48

What's wrong with asking questions that have been asked before? It's easier than reading through 200 pages of forum. If you have a problem with answering then don't answer.

You have been a member for quiet some time now, you should know the search function by now. Please RTFF thoroughly before asking questions as to where something is. Benny's has been discuss a numerous amounts of times over the past few years.

I can point you in the right direction though. Please look under our "Ho Chi Minh City - Massage Parlor" forum for information pertaining to Benny's. You will find an address with the street in abbreviated form. At the top of the page you will find a link to "abbreviations". This will help you decode the street name.

As for directions to any particular place in VN, I would suggest using a local map site for accurate directions. www.diadiem.com will do the trick, also maps.google.com has been getting better, but not my preferred choice.

"Help is only give to those who wish to help themselves."

Columpuss

11-21-10, 10:35

Hi all, I'm new to the forum.

Does anyone have any insights comparing Ho Chi Minh to Pattaya and Angeles City? I've been able to find comparisons between Pattaya and AC compiared, and haven't found much regarding Ho Chi Minh.

I apologize for this not being a report. I can't seem to new threads, and I couldn't figure out the best thread to ask this.

Pattaya is Manchester United and Angeles city is Chelsea
HCM is local high school team.
Not a good place to monger, even Cambodia is better.

Bigtt

11-21-10, 11:20

Pattaya is Manchester United and Angeles city is Chelsea
HCM is local high school team.

Not a good place to monger, even Cambodia is better.Thanks for the response. However, I'm from the States, so I don't understand the analogy :)

Next month I'll be spending a month in SEA. So far, I have a ticket into Manila, and a ticket out from Bangkok. Any recommendations on how to split my time, or places to drop in between?

Columpuss

11-21-10, 16:21

Thailand is much safer, with better infrastructure and food. Philippines is like South America, a mess, but the girls are warmer and speak English.
Try to do your research in the appropriate forums and not here. My advice for the greenhorns is, never fall in love with anything over there. Good luck!

Alwayshard45

11-21-10, 21:08

What's wrong with asking questions that have been asked before? It's easier than reading through 200 pages of forum. If you have a problem with answering then don't answer.

Well the problem is that it's not 200 pages to read through. Its about 1 or 2 pages. Plus this forum has the search function to type in any word(s) combination as you desire to find exactly what you want. Neat function. I can easily give an answer for anyone. 91 DBP. Boom. But the reason for having someone read the forum, isn't for being an ass, but more or less, give that person the tools they need to successfully have a positive adventure.

Example: Someone asks for the address of a bia om on HBT street. First of all, they wouldn't have any idea what HBT is. Plus even if they could decode the address, how would they decode streets like DBP/NPK/NKKN etc. Also how would they know what kind of prices they should pay? These are all topics that have been thoroughly discussed within the forums. Why should we continue to beat the issue just because a single person doesn't wish to spend a few minutes searching the forum, through a dedicated search function. When you were looking for the massage parlors with the most beautiful girls (regardless of service) you too read the forum thoroughly, why wouldn't you expect the same of your follow friend?

Im not new, but I am also not a "senior" here. However, I have shared my fair share of information to the community. "If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, but if you teach him to fish, you feed him for a lifetime." I'm hoping that buy reading everything before asking "beaten" questions that we are teaching them to "fish".

If you don't like it, why don't you answer the man's question?

As for the person who asked the question, I don't believe I was being rude. I gave the person the correct forum to search under, as well as directions to being able to decode some of the lingo. On top of that I also gave two websites which can give directions to each location based on where he currently lives/works/plays. I have no idea where he is coming from, so it would be impossible for me to give directions. I thought I was being helpful. Am I wrong???

J Lover

11-22-10, 08:56

Thanks for the response. However, I'm from the States, so I don't understand the analogy :)

Next month I'll be spending a month in SEA. So far, I have a ticket into Manila, and a ticket out from Bangkok. Any recommendations on how to split my time, or places to drop in between?If you are not already there, my advice, to put it bluntly, would be to completely give Vietnam a miss. You'll be facing no shortage of frustration and scams in general. I can tell you this just from my own limited experience. But don't take my word for it ~ there's a bad experience documented on virtually every other page here.

If you specifically want VN girls, could I suggest the Macau saunas? Some of them actually specialize in VN girls alone. Macau is basically one giant wh0rehouse and you're sure to find what you want. I know these sauna places are a bit pricey, but service is generally quite standardized and it's safe. Basically no nasty surprises.

Good luck.

Suchmichdoch

11-22-10, 09:32

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Hah Baht

11-22-10, 12:34

Suchmichdoch

11-22-10, 15:53

Greywolf69

11-22-10, 23:05

Haha. Seems like you spend way too much time trying to explain and looking at other people's old posts. Wouldn't it be easier to just give the guy an address and tell him to take a cab? To each his own I guess. Peace.

Well the problem is that it's not 200 pages to read through. Its about 1 or 2 pages. Plus this forum has the search function to type in any word(s) combination as you desire to find exactly what you want. Neat function. I can easily give an answer for anyone. 91 DBP. Boom. But the reason for having someone read the forum, isn't for being an ass, but more or less, give that person the tools they need to successfully have a positive adventure.

Example: Someone asks for the address of a bia om on HBT street. First of all, they wouldn't have any idea what HBT is. Plus even if they could decode the address, how would they decode streets like DBP/NPK/NKKN etc. Also how would they know what kind of prices they should pay? These are all topics that have been thoroughly discussed within the forums. Why should we continue to beat the issue just because a single person doesn't wish to spend a few minutes searching the forum, through a dedicated search function. When you were looking for the massage parlors with the most beautiful girls (regardless of service) you too read the forum thoroughly, why wouldn't you expect the same of your follow friend?

Im not new, but I am also not a "senior" here. However, I have shared my fair share of information to the community. "If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, but if you teach him to fish, you feed him for a lifetime." I'm hoping that buy reading everything before asking "beaten" questions that we are teaching them to "fish".

If you don't like it, why don't you answer the man's question?

As for the person who asked the question, I don't believe I was being rude. I gave the person the correct forum to search under, as well as directions to being able to decode some of the lingo. On top of that I also gave two websites which can give directions to each location based on where he currently lives/works/plays. I have no idea where he is coming from, so it would be impossible for me to give directions. I thought I was being helpful. Am I wrong???

Alwayshard45

11-23-10, 09:09

I am amazed that many members here warn others to give VN a miss. I have been to most places in SEA and spend most of my time in Thailand. I went to VN for the first time last month and loved it. I did do a bit of research on this and other forums along with my own hit and miss research. I spend six days in HCMC and found just about everything that I wanted. I even went with a cyclo driver to those little massage places out of the way in D1.....and made it back daily.
About the only thing that I didn't find was a motorcycle girl. Maybe next time. Anyway, I loved it there and will be back again next year.

I agree with you HB, I've been to every country in SEA and I have found my best expereinces and memories come from Vietnam. If you're only looking to spend a couple days somewhere, with the only intention of mongering, then yes, Vietnam may not be your #1 choice. But overall, Vietnam has the friendliest people, best food (my personal favorite), amazing sites and cultural things to do and all within the Southern (HCMC) area. I too find everything that I want and more with ease. Just read the forums for ideas and be adventurous.

Personally, I have run into more trouble in Thailand in the few trips that I've done there, compared to the 6 years of living in Vietnam. Its easy to be ripped off anywhere you go, if you don't follow the advice of those who have already walked the roads.

I would suggest VN / HCM if you'd like a complete package of mongering, entertainment, and cultural insights. I don't have one friend who has come to visit me and travel around SEA who HASN'T loved VN.

Alwayshard45

11-23-10, 09:15

Haha. Seems like you spend way too much time trying to explain and looking at other people's old posts. Wouldn't it be easier to just give the guy an address and tell him to take a cab? To each his own I guess. Peace.

It's not difficult to look up what you have posted in the past. Click on your name and there's a drop-down that says "Find more reports by *Member Name*". With your (at the time) 6 posts, it wasn't difficult. I also did give him the answer in the previous post, but I would rather show him all the great features of the forum, in hopes soon he will be a contributing member. Rather than ask a question, get an answer, and never come back until he needs more help. Also explain that he was in the wrong section as he could have possibly already read 30+ pages but couldn't find what he was looking for because of that reason.

Am I out of line here guys? Maybe I'm missing something or wrong here. Just let me know and I'll zip the lips. haha.

Geneva Guy

11-24-10, 00:22

Hi Guys

Spent 9 days in hanoi, left about a pint of cum in my tagged freebie (how do I convince these women to go on the pill during my trip, hehe). Headed to HCMC at the Spring Hotel in D1. Here is my recap so far:

First Night: SMS'ed another tagged pal. She arrived, dressed to the hilt and wanted to ride me on her motorbike to a place I had picked for dinner. Yikes. She is 90 lbs. Me, 200. Almost killed me. During dinner she told me "I'm going to kill you in bed". WOW. Got back to hotel (guests are ok until 10pm) and it was like walking one of those "49" bar ladies through the "walk of shame" she was dressed so suggestively! Got up to the room, a bit of kissy-huggy but then said "I am looking for a husband". Whoops, that's not ME.

Well, long story short, we were clothed in bed, she wanted to see my hairy chest, took off my shirt, massaged, then we played a game. Teaching her the slang terms for all her important body parts, pussy, nipples, etc. And rubbing them each round. Well, she then asked me to "take off your pants", I complied and since I was slightly hard (haha, slightly) she started to rub an asked "you have condom"? I did, she undressed, put the condom on and hopped on. Then wanted me to finish on top. This was just incredible and as silly and madeup as this story sounds. It is all true. She got out at 10:02 so no call from the front desk. Funny thing. The doorman (who had lent me his cycle helmet that night) asked me "your GF coming back", I told him, probably not this trip, but if you want her info I'll give it to you. He smiled.

Day 2: Found a great place with lots of PYTs that wear low cut au dais and serves great food, called "Hai Lau of Saigon" (meaning high-low as in a country girl who moves to the city), located at the beginning of Le Thanh Toh street, but behind that street behind the supermarket area. Sort of an alley way with lots of restaurants on it. Eat outdoors and the PYTs come by and bend over to clear your table and other. I was sort of surprised at how sheer their clothing was and no bras (unlike most of the Viets I see). Nice good too.

Had a telecon nite of day 2, but before went to 49 bar on Hai Ba Trung, smokey, some very nice ladies there, all young, one took me and sat me in the back, got to rub her hairless pussy a bit over a beer and one LD. But really didn't do much for me. Now the mammasan. She was hot, hehehe (ok I like them a bit older). Left and went up and across the street to a massage place and had a great 90 min massage (legit) from a country girl who was very strong. And sweet.

Did my TC and decided at 11PM to walk and check out the motogirl action (can't go back to my hotel by then though). Overall. Interesting. But I didn't partake because I had RTFF and was watching out for LBs, robbery, etc. Got some ice cream from a quick mart and back to hotel and bed.

Overall. I prefer regular girls (like my sweetie in hanoi who cooked for me and fucked me blind). But I do appreciate all the tips from JD and the gang.

Lots of potential here I C.

GG

Columpuss

11-24-10, 04:41

I agree with you HB, I've been to every country in SEA and I have found my best expereinces and memories come from Vietnam. If you're only looking to spend a couple days somewhere, with the only intention of mongering, then yes, Vietnam may not be your #1 choice. But overall, Vietnam has the friendliest people, best food (my personal favorite), amazing sites and cultural things to do and all within the Southern (HCMC) area. I too find everything that I want and more with ease. Just read the forums for ideas and be adventurous.

Personally, I have run into more trouble in Thailand in the few trips that I've done there, compared to the 6 years of living in Vietnam. Its easy to be ripped off anywhere you go, if you don't follow the advice of those who have already walked the roads.

I would suggest VN / HCM if you'd like a complete package of mongering, entertainment, and cultural insights. I don't have one friend who has come to visit me and travel around SEA who HASN'T loved VN.

The debate isn't about touring VN in general but about mongering. I agree with you that VN over all offers a complete package but it is no way like Thailand and the PIs in the other department. Most of the posts here pertains to putting great efforts in looking for a place to get a BJ where in the PIs, I can go to a bar to get a drink and BJ is offered on the side, in the back room, without me sweating about it.

Raverboy

11-24-10, 05:55

hi all, i'm new to the forum.

does anyone have any insights comparing ho chi minh to pattaya and angeles city? i've been able to find comparisons between pattaya and ac compiared, and haven't found much regarding ho chi minh.

i apologize for this not being a report. i can't seem to new threads, and i couldn't figure out the best thread to ask this.

thanks for the response. however, i'm from the states, so i don't understand the analogy :)

next month i'll be spending a month in sea. so far, i have a ticket into manila, and a ticket out from bangkok. any recommendations on how to split my time, or places to drop in between?

sure.

think of pattaya as a suburb of las vegas nv, with gogo bars, a beach and [CodeWord117] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord117) thrown in.

think of ac as east los angeles, ca with 1 huge mall, 1 small airport. whole town is one big wh*rehouse.

then think of ho chi minh city as new orleans, la without mardi gras. need to know the different 'wards' to really find the good gumbo. ;)

Johndao

11-24-10, 06:59

It's not difficult to look up what you have posted in the past. Click on your name and there's a drop-down that says "Find more reports by *Member Name*". With your (at the time) 6 posts, it wasn't difficult. I also did give him the answer in the previous post, but I would rather show him all the great features of the forum, in hopes soon he will be a contributing member. Rather than ask a question, get an answer, and never come back until he needs more help. Also explain that he was in the wrong section as he could have possibly already read 30+ pages but couldn't find what he was looking for because of that reason.

Am I out of line here guys? Maybe I'm missing something or wrong here. Just let me know and I'll zip the lips. haha.
Since you asked, AH, here is my advice.
When you read a post asking a question and you know the answer to that question has already been posted as a report or as an answer, either by you or someone else, you have a few choices:

1) Rudely tell the poster to RTFF.
2) Politely suggest the poster read the Forum to find his answer.
3) Repeat any information you have already posted or paraphrase or quote directly another post, doing your best to answer the poster's question.
4) Go through and find posts that have the information the poster is looking for and cut and paste the link in a reply.
5) Ignore the post altogether and shake you head at the laziness or lack of ability of others.

I thinking lecturing, criticizing, moralizing and even teaching should be off the table, unless someone specifically asks to be taught (how to use 'Search' for example.)

That's my zero-point-zero-two US Dollars.

JD

Bigtt

11-25-10, 07:28

sure.

think of pattaya as a suburb of las vegas nv, with gogo bars, a beach and [CodeWord117] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord117) thrown in.

think of ac as east los angeles, ca with 1 huge mall, 1 small airport. whole town is one big wh*rehouse.

then think of ho chi minh city as new orleans, la without mardi gras. need to know the different 'wards' to really find the good gumbo. ;)thanks for the insights guys! since this will be my first trip, i'll focus on pattaya and ac.

will save vietnam for next year. i really want to tour the country with a motorcycle.

hah baht: which month do you usually go?

raverboy: is there a rave-isque scene in pattaya or ac?

Asswrestler

11-25-10, 08:17

Hello fellow mongers!

I'm trying to find some sex toys, can anyone point me in the right direction?

A

Ajashi

11-25-10, 18:32

The debate isn't about touring VN in general but about mongering. I agree with you that VN over all offers a complete package but it is no way like Thailand and the PIs in the other department. Most of the posts here pertains to putting great efforts in looking for a place to get a BJ where in the PIs, I can go to a bar to get a drink and BJ is offered on the side, in the back room, without me sweating about it.Yep the debate is about mongering, whereas it is all about the definition of mongering. If mongering means looking for girls (good or less good quality) for money without hassle. Lots of ease, no headaches, pifalls and all straight ahead. Yes Phil and Thai are much straighter and looking for that kind of mongering (shopping) VN will definitely not make the race. If mongering is considered as a "kind" of sport, adventure, exploration with a bit of a pioneer spirit in it. Forget about Phil and Thai come to Vietnam. Just my humble of looking at it, and I guess in a way also reflected in the forums.

Happy hunting

Greywolf69

11-25-10, 19:17

No you are not really out of line. You had good intentions just wrong method of delivery. No need to patronize or criticize someone for asking a simple question. I thought the purpose of this forum was to share information? I guess I'm wrong to think that.

It's not difficult to look up what you have posted in the past. Click on your name and there's a drop-down that says "Find more reports by *Member Name*". With your (at the time) 6 posts, it wasn't difficult. I also did give him the answer in the previous post, but I would rather show him all the great features of the forum, in hopes soon he will be a contributing member. Rather than ask a question, get an answer, and never come back until he needs more help. Also explain that he was in the wrong section as he could have possibly already read 30+ pages but couldn't find what he was looking for because of that reason.

Am I out of line here guys? Maybe I'm missing something or wrong here. Just let me know and I'll zip the lips. haha.

Raverboy

11-26-10, 03:51

Thanks for the insights guys! Since this will be my first trip, I'll focus on Pattaya and AC.
...
Raverboy: Is there a rave-isque scene in Pattaya or AC?

No, not at all. In Asia, Raves are fast becoming a thing of the past now. Even the Full Moon Party in Thailand is more a publicity gimmick really, than anything else.

You might be able to find a semblance of a 'scene' in Phuket, Thailand, but it only tries to be like Ibiza while ending up being a pale comparison.

Anyway, this discussion should be on another forum, not this one. ;)

Alwayshard45

11-26-10, 05:42

No, not at all. In Asia, Raves are fast becoming a thing of the past now. Even the Full Moon Party in Thailand is more a publicity gimmick really, than anything else.

Nha Trang has a summer solstice rave at the Sailing club. This is separate from their regular full-moon parties, which are not all that exciting. Its a pretty big party and lots of fun. I was there this past year and there was lots of entertainment, ladies all around for fun and different party "flavors" etc.

Any idea why the rave scene is dying out?

Wendella

11-26-10, 06:12

will save vietnam for next year. i really want to tour the country with a motorcycle.

yeah it's a favorite tourist pasttime here, being run over by trucks on the highway, speed-hooked drivers swerving across any lane they like -- oncoming traffic, no problem, as long as it's not another truck they surely won't get hurt. driving on highways sucks here -- the trucks and buses just have no sense of responsibility, drive like lunatics. death rate is huge here, mainly of motorbike drivers being squashed. i guess if you enjoy that kind of survival adventure you might like it.

Canyon

11-26-10, 07:51

For the overall experience, I like Vietnam better. Bangkok is very chaotic and the city does not have much charm. By contrast, both Saigon and Hanoi are very charming and interesting architecturally. For food and culture, I prefer Vietnam. The women in VN are also beautful.

As far as mongering goes, Thailand is the clear winner. Both Thai and VN women are very attractive, but the Thai women are better lovers. It's also much easier to meet women and conduct a sexual liaison in Thailand. The better hotels in VN will not let you bring a guest in to stay all night. Consequently, you have to go to a short-time hotel to have sex, so you have to pay an additional fee, then go back to your hotel after it is over. It's definitely a hassle. In Thailand, you can go to your hotel or have sex right on the premises of the massage parlor.

You can meet some nice VN women on the street or in a cafe, but it's not as easy as in Thailand. Also, Thailand has some great massage parlors, bars and clubs, where it's very easy to meet women. They also want to meet you. VN has some meeting places, but it's more hit and miss.

It seems to me that more Thai girls speak English than VN girls. I speak basic Vietnamese, so I don't have trouble communicating on a basic level, but if you're an English-only speaker, it's easier to communicate in Bangkok.

I've had some great sessions in Vietnam and some great sessions in Thailand, so you can find great women that will take care of you in both places. The odds, though, are much better in Thailand. If you're a single guy in Bangkok, people expect you to meet women and have sex with them and go around the town with them. In Vietnam, the government frowns on liaisons between western men and VN women. This makes it more difficult. Of course, there are a lot of mixed couples all over Saigon and Hanoi, but it's a much more comfortable atmosphere in Thailand.

Raverboy

11-26-10, 09:20

Nha Trang has a summer solstice rave at the Sailing club. This is separate from their regular full-moon parties, which are not all that exciting. Its a pretty big party and lots of fun. I was there this past year and there was lots of entertainment, ladies all around for fun and different party "flavors" etc.

Any idea why the rave scene is dying out?

I suppose you could call a beach party at the Sailing Club a 'rave' if you want, but I wouldnt...

My first rave (as I would call it) was in 1994, Black+Blue, Olympic Stadium in Montreal, Quebec Canada. Organized by 514 Productions with the biker gangs' backing of course. There were approx. 12,000 participants.

Another rave that I attended worthy of mention was in a plot of woods in the Quebec Laurentians about 2 hrs drive north of Montreal, around about 2002. Bring-your-own-tent, bring-your-own-booze. The party lasted an entire weekend, Friday night to Sunday afternoon.

Wendella

11-28-10, 08:23

7) UVK St. between D2 and its termination at DBP interchange has a xe-om or 2 doing the rounds with a couple of girls riding pilion. With the number of ca phe oms on this street, I guess you could call this a xe-om-pimp / *****house-on-wheels. I love this country - If you're too shy to go to the ca phe om, the ca phe om can come to you. :D
Right, Ung Van Khiem St has a number of Cafe Om type places and at night has moto pimps. I have only been in the area 2x, once in the day and once at night. They used to ride those young girls around the Minh Khai, Xo Viet Nge Tinh Bridge area but they seem to have been banned from the area now. Also, used to be a gaggle of them on bicycles on the NW side of the bridge, also long gone.
JD

Sorry, Raver is describing this street as being in District 2? I thought that street was only in Binh Thanh district? The one that's famous for all the cafe oms, no? There used to be a spot where moto-girls would be available down by Van Thanh market, nearby that UVK street -- but it's not active any more.

But the reason I'm posting: are we talking about the same place? Did Raver mean to mention the one in BT that I'm thinking of, or is there really some other UVK in D2?

Wendella

11-28-10, 08:25

Oh wait, it just hit me: there's a STREET called D2 Street. That must be what he meant. Ugh.

GreenBud

12-03-10, 14:38

Next month I'll be spending a month in SEA. So far, I have a ticket into Manila, and a ticket out from Bangkok. Any recommendations on how to split my time, or places to drop in between?

Best way (in terms of value) to travel around that area is to use Cebu Pacific and Air Asia. Cebu has the following routes: Clark-BKK, Manila-BKK, Saigon-Manila. Air Asia has: Clark-KL, KL-BKK, KL-Siem Reap, KL-Phnom Penh, KL-BKK, BKK-Phnom Penh, BKK-Saigon. You can use these routes to pick and choose your destinations.

It depends if you want just pure mongering or if you want to do tourist stuff.

I would do the following:
Fly in Manila and go straight to Angeles; pure mongering scene.
Fly from Clark to KL; the health spa brothel scene in the hotels is nice; go see the towers.
Fly from KL to Siem Reap; see Ankor Wat.
Take the cheap bus to Phnom Penh; good mongering scene; not as good as before, but still good; go see the killing fields, S-21, and palace.
I would avoid Vietnam and fly directly to Bangkok, but if you want to do Vietnam, you can take the 7.5 hour $12 bus to Saigon.
From either Phnom Penh or Saigon, you can fly into Bangkok.
From BKK airport, I would take a taxi or bus to Pattaya.
From Pattaya, take a taxi to the airport. It will be 800 baht plus toll, and it takes 1.5 hours; never any traffic going to the airport. You can also take the bus which will be cheaper.

You also have the option to do Puerto Galera and/or Subic in the Philippines.
You can skip KL, and fly into BKK or Saigon from the Philippines.
So many options.

Jon Does

12-09-10, 11:55

Pattaya is Manchester United and Angeles city is Chelsea.

HCM is local high school team.

Not a good place to monger, even Cambodia is better. Got to admit when I read this LOL, guess you only understand it if you know your football (soccer).

Hi gang, new in town. I'm not a prolific monger but do like to take some time out now and then. I'm looking forward to explore and find my feet here should be fun with the help and info on here.

PolyOrchid

12-10-10, 11:28

. I'm looking forward to explore and find my feet here should be fun with the help and info on here.Jon,

Welcome. I'm a very recent arrival myself, but after a mere two weeks, I must say the city is filled with many surprises. Opportunities seem to pop up everywhere. I find the openness and curiosity of "foreigners" (outside of district one, that is) very refreshing and seems to bode well for meeting women.

I moved here from Bangkok and find Saigon much more ripe with chances for meeting girls.

Doodie1

12-10-10, 15:41

JD when and where is the Christmas party?

Dodgy Asian

12-14-10, 17:48

I'm Vietnamese chinese. I was originally born in the Chinese community in Ho Chi Minh city. I can still speak 75% Vietnamese.Hi there Blowmeup,

I am half viet, brought up in Australia. I speak Chinese but very very little viet. I've always wondered about the make up of canto speaking people in HCM, I've asked here before and didn't really get sound responses. Also I would like to know about areas in HCM where it would be easier for a canto to monger? Is there any racism there? And how much can I get around speaking only english and cantonese?

Any help would be appreciated!

Marrow

12-16-10, 09:51

VN girl beautiful, better than Thai girls? Oh well. I bet you never tried the photo section of both threads and they don't show the best.

Cough, let's continue.

If for hotels you meant Sheraton, well true. Just a little number of hotels don't allow friends at all. ID at worst, fix it.

Tell them she's your gf from 3 years, a short chit chat lying, it's done. You come with a new one, well, old was an idiot, seems so hard to find a good gf today haha.

True, you can meet a lot of girls, hanging around, they just don't give a fuck of you, except if you want to spend 60-100$ for fuck and go back to your damned western country soon. We are tagged as motherfuckers here for fuck all of them, serious man don't exists at all, if foreigner. They thinks like this, useless hope is different.

They don't want to meet you, they wants $, wake up.

Great sessions in VN? Take care of you? LOL.

Ye there are mixed couples, ever tried to hear what locals say about her when she's walking with you? You have no idea what a nightmare she has to deal with. No, not a government problem, Thailand is the same.

It's you, don't understand thai and hear them when they talk bad about her every meter.

Try a long time relationship with a VN girl, if and then she will deal with it. And tell me then, if I'm wrong.

Let's try to be realistic, please. Who read your post will think it's an awesome heaven, here, for find fun.

Fun is for expats, who can deal long, long time and patience. Far miles, from what everyone will find, either after 3-4 months. Don't you agree?

Are you sure you speak a good basic vietnamese? Seems you never ask openly with a local girl, about western-VN relationship, trust me. .

Jon,

Welcome. I'm a very recent arrival myself, but after a mere two weeks, I must say the city is filled with many surprises. Opportunities seem to pop up everywhere. I find the openness and curiosity of "foreigners" (outside of district one, that is) very refreshing and seems to bode well for meeting women.

I moved here from Bangkok and find Saigon much more ripe with chances for meeting girls. Surprise? Opportunities? Ye? Meet women? Write us more, please, we are so curious of a two week experience, so good.

I'm still waiting an expat barely trying to give a spit of tip of real good places about vietnam (me included).

D Cups

12-16-10, 16:03

Hey Marrow, I've had great tmes with beautiful women in VN (been there 5X) and BKK, including some freebies and busty ones, too, but admit it is more difficult to find VN girl who speaks English. That is why my preference is for Pinays. If you get to know the hotel manager in VN they will allow an overnighter. Discovered that after my third trip.

BTW all women everywhere want our money just like we want their pussy and tits. This is not prostitutional. These are gender facts. Of course the good ones also like courteous men; and the naughty ones like big schlongs; and the pretty ones usually like handsome men; but they ALL like money, even the rich ones, especially the rich ones.

David51

12-19-10, 04:30

Late notice, but it turns out I have most of today free in HCMC as my Vietnamese associate has other commitments. So if anyone wants to show a middle-aged white American some MP or other places, send me a PM. I am staying in District 1 near the market. Since I speak not one word of Vietnamese, I am a bit hesitant to take a taxi to some of the places I have read about on this forum. And they are a bit far to walk.

-D51

Johndao

12-21-10, 03:15

Hello, everyone,

I will be@HCM City on 30th Dec and stay there for 2 weeks. I know some beauty salons and MPs offering A-Z service, yes, BJ and Fcuk!

Damage would be $30 / girl / hour. We can choose from at least 100 girls all young from 17-25. 7 shops x 20 girls each you do the math.

If you are interested, PM me, we could share the taxi cost and I got some companions.

PS: price is fixed including tic and tip already so please don't give extra tip. Your first report Starsboo and you have so much info? Beware everyone. . . He may be back. . .

JD

Mik Hcmc

12-21-10, 04:12

Your first report Starsboo and you have so much info? Beware everyone. . . He may be back. . .

JDI wonder if he'll post up videos of customers on youtube to embarass.

17yr old girls hey. Must want to be spending some time with a bunch of guys behind bars

Alwayshard45

12-21-10, 07:51

...Opportunities seem to pop up everywhere. I find the openness and curiosity of "foreigners" (outside of district one, that is) very refreshing and seems to bode well for meeting women...Regardless of what others think, I would totally agree with you. I do speak Vietnamese well. No I'm not 100% fluent, but I can read the newspapers with 90+% literacy without any translators or dictionaries and speak on a daily basis for work in only VNese. I do think that there are always opportunities for find girls for relationships (not P4P). Especially when you get away from D1 you can find people (men and women) that are just so excited to talk with expats about anything.

Ye there are mixed couples, ever tried to hear what locals say about her when she's walking with you? You have no idea what a nightmare she has to deal with. No, not a government problem, Thailand is the same.I don't know what it is like in Thailand, I have never been there long enough for a relationship. But in Vietnam, yes, there are some people who don't care for the "white's" coming here and taking their women. I have been in long-term relationships, walk around the city etc, and I've only encountered one or two times when people talk either behind your back, or to your face. Once was on a shared taxi ride back to SGN from Vung Tau (last boat was sold out) and one of the guys said it was bad for the girl to be with a Western, and she was disgracing Vietnam people. He asked where I was from and since I am from the US, he kept saying to the girl that my family probably attacked her family and things like that. I told they guy to mind his own business but he kept going on and on. Luckily he started this rant within the last 20-30 minutes of getting back so we just had to deal with it. But other than that, I've never really had any other problems.

Do others here have long-term relationships have problems with people "snickering" when they are out-and-about with their lady?

Mik Hcmc

12-22-10, 02:20

JD, sorry to say but your 500 posts are all useless. Not a single piece new info.

I can take you to a shop then you can try and impress me with something better than that. I guess a veteran won't be scared against challenge? You can go 2-3 people.

I want to find some companions, not online filthy mouth idiots. Starsboo you should be the one apologising. You have not contributed anything to this forum.

The information regarding full service MP's is old.

Yes we know where they are located, Its not a secret.

Yes we know they charge 100k ticket and 500k tip.

You only know of 7? Thats a shame as theres a lot more than that. Time to get some fresh info I think.

You are looking for mates to share a cab ride?

Can't afford the cab ride solo or perhaps your too scared to go in on your own? Looking for someone to hold your hand perhaps.

No doubt you will be using the information provided in this forum for you and your mates to have some fun. Enjoy it and don't forget to write some reports, Infact how about contributing a couple reports since you know so much about it.

BionicMan

12-22-10, 11:25

..... Once was on a shared taxi ride back to SGN from Vung Tau (last boat was sold out) and one of the guys said it was bad for the girl to be with a Western, and she was disgracing Vietnam people. He asked where I was from and since I am from the US, he kept saying to the girl that my family probably attacked her family and things like that. ....I think such an occurance might happen everywhere, with people using history (real facts, but still history) to generate those comments. Not for nothing a good third of the world is always on flames: some can't get past of the past!

Tiger 888

12-23-10, 18:57

Starsboo, some of JD's posts have been very helpful to me and his photos are legendary so back off and apologize unless you want to start a flame war.Who is Star's poo? He won't be the last troll around. Just ignore him.

Hardlock1

12-24-10, 15:18

Apropos of any relevance, there isn't any. Anyone demented enough to come into the Forum and attempt to degrade and belittle JD has to be a little light upstairs. I mean, it follows, doesn't it, that any guy who has to use a pair of tweezers to jerk off might also be light upstairs. Personal problems always seem to blind the light-minded. Lets all just say a silent word of prayer for his recovery, and THEN ignore him.

H is out

Mik Hcmc

01-06-11, 13:54

Ye? So many places for fuck, finally, not just stupid HJ / BJ? You know where they are located? Really? Surely this guy wrote in a funny way, but at least tried to share his experience ready to meet (he didn't realize noone can contact him with pm). You're so pro, you know hundreds places, why don't you start to write a list of full service place, with complete address? We all, would love to go there too. Specify the price we need to keep, we promise we will not ruin your private fun (LOL). Oh ye, I remember, you hate foreigners hanging around your house, ruining your cuties, hehe. Still checking outside your window if an aussie or american is coming near the garage door on other side of the street with your cheap cuties? XD Easy laugh on the back of someone, without share a shit. *winks*

Marrow who the fark are you?

Are you a regular poster on here with information to be shared?

Do you have any info to share at all?

The answer is NO. You have absolutely farkall to share with regular members on this forum.

Theres no need to write up the address of these FSMP's as all the regular members on here already know where they are and what goes on.

Those who are outside looking in due to not contributing usually complain about members not sharing.

As for your smartass comment

"Oh ye, I remember, you hate foreigners hanging around your house, ruining your cuties, hehe. Still checking outside your window if an aussie or american is coming near the garage door on other side of the street with your cheap cuties? XD Easy laugh on the back of someone, without share a shit. *winks*"

I actually have foreigners (Aussie, Yanks, Koreans, Japanese, Taiwanese, German, French and Viets) as neighbours and we all have a great time.

Its the dickheads like you that everyone else would have problems with.

GreenBud

01-06-11, 14:32

Marrow who the fark are you? He's a faker who writes incorrect info in an obnoxious style.

Alwayshard45

01-07-11, 07:38

. Tomorrow police close? So? Is it the last one, maybe? Noone will open a new one, tomorrow? Is it your business, what happen to the owner of your brothel / FSMP? Or you never realize this kind of places exists for customers, much more they are, much money the owner make (and pay police to not be closed till 2050).

I live in vietnam enough years.

*winks*. *winks*I'm not involved in this "flame war" as some would say, but here are my 2 cents. Some of these places could be (not say they are) in what VNese government calls "cultural areas" in which these types of business, regardless of how much they pay to keep open, can NOT operate in these areas, or near these areas. Also, all governments must draw a line some where in social problems. They can accept HJ / BJ / working girls, but they are not open to brothels. Each city, district, and ward is different based on who is in charge of the police in that section. YES, it is very dangerous to post info on addresses for places with FS-in house because it WILL get shut down within a day or two. They can read English, so this is just the same as posting on VNese forums.

There are many places in District BT that offer way more services than what is posted on this forum, but they remain open because it's not a publicly spoken about thing. These types of places are only open to those who know someone already a "member" as you might call it. Brothels, strip club types of places, etc. This is just the way things are done here in VN. Not because of one specific person (s) on this forum, but all the Viet forums are the same. The owners of these shops don't like just anyone in, I know from personal experience.

How many years do you say is "enough"?

Whats with all the "*winks*"? Are you Italian?

Milkweed

01-07-11, 12:41

I kind of like reading Marrow's posts. I don't think anyone posts much info here. So the only interesting things on this forum are the personalities.

Secret strip clubs and brothels in BT? Well, glad to hear that there is something more to VN. Hope I can learn the secret handshake one day.

Ajashi

01-07-11, 13:56

Lustforthrust

01-08-11, 10:00

Walked 1 block from the office, bright and early yesterday, showed the address to a moto who indicated that it would take 20 minutes, but made it in 10 and broke into a smile when he realized the address was for a hot-toc.

Bought a ticket for 5, no line-up as such, one skinny-chic in uniform lead me to the barber's chair and a minute later to a cubicle with a narrow bed and wash.

Laid down, shirt up, pants down and on she went making noises that sounded like "shiok" which I heard from the next cubicle as well. She blew me and just when I was about to CIM, the cubicle next to mine went "haarrkkkkkkk". Hilarious sh! T! I came, she went "harrrrkkkkkk" and I left after giving her 5.

Back to the office shortly thereafter.

Next time I'm there I will point to a meaty one, more to grab than the 2-quart butt on the skinny one, I reckon.

Travel Spirit

01-09-11, 10:38

There are many places in District BT that offer way more services than what is posted on this forum, but they remain open because it's not a publicly spoken about thing. These types of places are only open to those who know someone already a "member" as you might call it. Brothels, strip club types of places, etc. This is just the way things are done here in VN. The owners of these shops don't like just anyone in.I'm packing my things for HCMC and I've some queries.

Will I be approached by pimps if strolling the streets of District Binh Thanh?

Supposing that someone will lead me to a "covered" place, is it worthwhile taking the risk?

Is it better to stick around Hai Ba Trung?

Marrow

01-09-11, 15:39

I'm packing my things for HCMC and I've some queries.

Will I be approached by pimps if strolling the streets of District Binh Thanh?

Supposing that someone will lead me to a "covered" place, is it worthwhile taking the risk?

Is it better to stick around Hai Ba Trung? Troubles, worth? At best, you will be approached by woman pimp driving a motorbyke, surrounded of girls (sometimes young and cute. 20-21y). Supposing someone thinks you can be a customer (a new fool to sell to his friend policeman for 50$) , the answer is stay far.

Expecially if he ask " you like young, small small?".10 mins, and you're to the police station with big troubles to deal. When young small small, for your language, was just a tiny 19y girl. Like said yet, it's all under the table. And raided every day. And honestly, not needed. If it's just 19y pussy what you need, motogirls will harrass you enough, nice look.

Mik Hcmc

01-09-11, 15:51

AdHome01

01-09-11, 20:13

Johndao

01-10-11, 02:19

I'm packing my things for HCMC and I've some queries.

Will I be approached by pimps if strolling the streets of District Binh Thanh?

Supposing that someone will lead me to a "covered" place, is it worthwhile taking the risk?

Is it better to stick around Hai Ba Trung? Binh Thanh is one of the largest and most heavily populated districts in HCMC. It covers around 21 sq km and has a population of about half a million. You are unlikely to be approached by pimps while walking around 99% of this district, however if you see the attached map of Binh Thanh I have drawn a white circle at the bottom center. You will likely be approached by 'moto-girls' here. A few at midday and many at night. Maybe even some pimps, if that is who you are anxious to meet.

Watch your wallet, watch your phone, watch your money! Give them money first and 95% of the time they will be GONE!

You will not be invited to any 'covered' places. That's for sure.

JD

Johndao

01-13-11, 03:44

Girls at one of Saigon's classier brothels getting ready for work. Right. We wish.

Apology to OH.

JD

B Sahdow

01-14-11, 09:21

Johndao

01-17-11, 04:59

Hi All.

Could anyone give us a heads up on how long Vietnamese are away for during Tet (obviously not all, but rule of thumb)? Heading over early Feb for work and fear this will impact on my fun time (and subsequent ability to report on said fun) You are unlikely to have any fun time and I can't imagine what kind of work you are going to do.

I'd say three days hard core, one week quite hard but not absolute, two weeks still very noticeable but you can get things done, three full weeks till things are just about normal.

JD

Milkweed

01-17-11, 05:16

Hi All.

Could anyone give us a heads up on how long vietnamese are away for during tet (obviously not all, but rule of thumb)? Heading over early feb for work and fear this will impact on my fun time (and subsequent ability to report on said fun) In my opinion, Tet is not a good time to visit. It's a family holiday. And a lot of Vietnamese return to their hometowns (or their parents hometowns). HCMC is pretty empty at that time.

Tet can be great if you have VN friends. You can visit their homes. Play VN games and try some VN food. Maybe it's a good time to practice riding a motorbike. The streets are pretty empty. Nguyen Hue St. In HCMC is nice to visit. Great for people watching and pictures. It's well decorated.

Be careful about crime around Tet. Pickpocketing or hotel room theft, etc. Especially in crowded places like Nguyen Hue St. I'm not sure why. But at Tet VN people like to buy new clothes, gamble, and give money to younger people. So maybe that's why.

Oh, Tet lasts for 3 days. I think it's the 3rd, 4th, and 5th this year. But some VN take a longer holiday. It depends on the person.