Ho Chi Minh City - General Info

[CRLuverGuy]

Thank you so much for your feedback. How is the rate rank in VN?

O, when are you in HCMC?

[LukeSkywalker]

Info in that site are usually old. They don't update their info often.

Bar, KTVs and prostitution dens in Vietnam are raided and shut down often. It's hard to keep up with them. But a bro mentioned Nguyen Chi Thanh street still have moto girls cruising in the daytime and walkers at night.

The girls at HTGDs will meet the clients offsite for sex. Some would act like non-pros or semipros trying to hook BFs and will not take money from guys. I know an old guy in his mid 60's who had a pretty 20 YO girl date and fuck him for free every time he's in HCMC. Another guy I know in his mid 50's ended up marrying a 22 YO HTGD girl. She knew the guy was soft so she was very aggressive, and he was stupid enough to marry her. These guys are Vietnamese expats.

If you look like marriage material guys, the girls will latch on to you and date and fuck for free, depending on how you play your games. Some of these girls are very nice, attractive and good-looking. To me they are semi-active prostitutes, but they still are prostitutes. Most come from extreme poverty in the Mekong delta. Some of the stories they told me of hunger, hardships, abuses, [CodeWord124] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124), beatings ect. They had to endure in the country are harrowing. Some were raped repeatedly by their own dads and had to run to the city. They said [CodeWord128] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord128) is rampant in the country, producing a lot of deformed and retarded children. Sucking dicks for food is dignified to them.

Enjoy their companies but don't get hooked by these semipros. There are much better girls in Vietnam with education, morals and principles if you want real relationships.


I went this week to some of those places mentioned within the wikisexguide article.

I don't know how old this report is, but from 7 recommended places none was existing anymore.

Among them:

Gringos Bar and Grill.

Zest Spa.

All Hair Salons at Bui Thi Xuan street.

My Anh.

I went after to a Haircut shop around Bui Thi Xuan shop where I saw a couple of girls sitting around inside in nice dresses. That made me thinking a bit..

[James02]

Girls for this money can be found online at sites like danchoi.xxx and kynu.net. Use Google Chrome browser with automatic translation from Vn. En and you will get the basics. Read back for a few months in the "Finding Girls Online" thread and you will find detailed descriptions of how this works.I always considered booking A girl online to be way way more expensive then meeting people face to face, like paying $250 or something.

But if you think this is the way to go in this country then I guess it is worth a look.

[Fortuner]

This is a guide to the "billiard bars" in District 1. They are all located in a fairly small area downtown. These bars are very simple and straightforward: only girls who are "working" are in the bar. Once inside you are expected to pick a girl to sit with, and you can also have some fun with her there if you like. All the girls can be taken out.

The Bars

There's a star rating (* * *) for each bar. Remember, your own taste may be different. In the best bars (three *'s and above) you can usually find some very attractive girls, often with a difficult choice of which girl you like best. In most bars (* * to * * ) , there is still a chance of finding a hot girl, but less likely than in those rated * * * and above. In the bars at * and under, you will be lucky if a very cute one is there, and these places usually have mostly less attractive or older girls (for example, it would be rare that 49 Dong Khoi has any Girls who could get hired at 91 Hai Ba Trung). But if you visited every bar in one evening, you almost surely would find one pleasant surprise in one of the lesser rated bars...Nearly all of those bars or billard bars has been closed by the police in 2014 - 2015.49 HBT reopened 3 month ago. Ladies are changing from time to time. But overall very polite and sometimes you can find a pearl among them.

Check ot out.

[Wendella]

Nearly all of those bars or billard bars has been closed by the police in 2014 - 2015.49 HBT reopened 3 month ago. Ladies are changing from time to time. But overall very polite and sometimes you can find a pearl among them.

Check ot out.I wouldn't check it out unless you are very ok with older and less attractive women. For same price you can go to the Bui Vien and Do Quang Do bars where they actually have ones who I would describe as "girls" (23 and under) and much more attractive. Those bars in the HBT area are history but just don't realize it yet. I don't see how those places can survive long.

[Wendella]

Forgot to mention, that was an ancient report of mine that you quoted. All that info in that report is obsolete now.

[LukeSkywalker]

You should see an older bar girl, wearing her hot short skirt, pushing a baby carriage on bar street in the back packers district, on her way to work in the afternoon. Besides drinking, flirting and fucking old men, she must have a family life too.

5 AM Bui Vien and its alleys still have lots of people walking or hanging out, mobile vendors cruising. Bars are still blaring rock music. Young girls are still sitting on the high chairs eyeing guys who walk by and calling them in. Groups of locals sit on small plastic stools on dusty, trash-strewn sidewalks, eating and drinking, discussing important issues.

By 6 AM the last shift of young girls started to pick up their motorcycles on the sidewalks to head home, flirting with the bike keepers. Most order food to go from street vendors. A drunken young girl was trying to sit down on a tiny plastic stool waiting for her food. She fell over it, crashing into the piles of pots and pan and dirty bowls, collapsing the table, sending eating utensils crashing to the dirt. She straightened up, calmly sitting down on the next stool. Nobody thought it was a big deal. It probably happens a lot.

There are a few old Western guys walking with ugly older women in the back packers district. But at night near the main down town walking street and the new shopping mall at the tallest Bitexco building, there were many couples with older Western guys walking hand in hand with some of the sweetest-looking young girls I have ever seen in Asia. It would be so nice to sleep with, embrace and make love to those sweet young girls all night. This situation deserves serious investigation.

The wechat girls are either expensive hookers or old / ugly / abnormal sharks looking to hook husbands, not good prospects.

[AssLover46]

Here for just a few days for the first time. Staying really in the centre along the main walking street where most of the fancy hotels are. There are many, many massage salons here, with attractive girls in short skirts handing out leaflets, but being in 'company', I have not been able to check them out. However Having read a few reports I took the opportunity and snuck out for a haircut and shampoo and was offered a private full body massage afterwards. Very attractive girl and flirty too, but I was short on time and had to get back to the missus. However I managed another excursion out myself in the name of a beer and very quickly ran across several offers of a girl or several girls and the choice of FS, BJ, massage etc. At $50 1 hour. Took the bait and followed this lady a short distance then down a dark alley. A bit exciting but I did not feel at all in danger. There was a small backstreet hotel and a lovely parade of 3-4 beauties to choose from. Not 10 out of 10's but very nice nonetheless and quite young. I choose and paid up (but there was an extra of 300 k Dong for the room) and followed her up several flights of stairs. I had limited time (so showered quickly and told her to skip the massage and we got straight into it. Lovely body with a little pubic hair and she let me go down on her which warmed things up. After that she allowed me a quick BBBJ and then I humped her from behind. She certainly was not the best fuck I ever had but fun nonetheless. Asked a few times about what tip I would give but I insisted it depended on the service! In the end I gave her just the small change I had (about 50 k) and she was happy enough since I had not taken too much time. Slipped out again with a smile on my face and 2 min walk back to my hotel. All in all, I would say it is pretty easy to score here these days. And if I had been on my own I would have enjoyed things a lot more with massages etc.

[Tommylove]

I'm in Saigon now, about to go check it out!

[Tmackly]

I'm in Saigon now, about to go check it out!I was there just a about a week ago and it was open.

[WhrsWhisperer]

I'm in Saigon now, about to go check it out!Was there yesterday. Open and operating as reports have described.

[NguyetLang]

Here for just a few days for the first time. Staying really in the centre along the main walking street where most of the fancy hotels are. There are many, many massage salons here, with attractive girls in short skirts handing out leaflets, but being in 'company', I have not been able to check them out. However Having read a few reports I took the opportunity and snuck out for a haircut and shampoo and was offered a private full body massage afterwards. Very attractive girl and flirty too, but I was short on time and had to get back to the missus. However I managed another excursion out myself in the name of a beer and very quickly ran across several offers of a girl or several girls and the choice of FS, BJ, massage etc. At $50 1 hour. Took the bait and followed this lady a short distance then down a dark alley. A bit exciting but I did not feel at all in danger. There was a small backstreet hotel and a lovely parade of 3-4 beauties to choose from. Not 10 out of 10's but very nice nonetheless and quite young. I choose and paid up (but there was an extra of 300 k Dong for the room) and followed her up several flights of stairs. I had limited time (so showered quickly and told her to skip the massage and we got straight into it. Lovely body with a little pubic hair and she let me go down on her which warmed things up. After that she allowed me a quick BBBJ and then I humped her from behind. She certainly was not the best fuck I ever had but fun nonetheless. Asked a few times about what tip I would give but I insisted it depended on the service! In the end I gave her just the small change I had (about 50 k) and she was happy enough since I had not taken too much time. Slipped out again with a smile on my face and 2 min walk back to my hotel. All in all, I would say it is pretty easy to score here these days. And if I had been on my own I would have enjoyed things a lot more with massages etc.Where is this back street? Is it in the back packers area? Do Quang Dau?

[James Dean 2]

This street is called 18 H&I Hun Nghip and this alley is opposite grand Saigon hotel. There is a small local restaurant at the corner. Sit there and get a beer and you wll see the beauties parade in and out for selection every time someone goes in. You will may more confident walking in after seeing this for a bit. Also you can pre-choose while sipping a beer with no pressure. Please do no offer more that 1 Mil VND all included (room also included) The guy may ask for more but will accept 1 Mil gladly. Lets not drive up the prices for us poor souls.


Where is this back street? Is it in the back packers area? Do Quang Dau?

[LukeSkywalker]

This is good info.

Can you state the name of that restaurant, or the alley number and name of that street?


This street is called 18 H&I Hun Nghip and this alley is opposite grand Saigon hotel. There is a small local restaurant at the corner. Sit there and get a beer and you wll see the beauties parade in and out for selection every time someone goes in. You will may more confident walking in after seeing this for a bit. Also you can pre-choose while sipping a beer with no pressure. Please do no offer more that 1 Mil VND all included (room also included) The guy may ask for more but will accept 1 Mil gladly. Lets not drive up the prices for us poor souls.

[Ikksman]

This street is called 18 H&I Hun Nghip and this alley is opposite grand Saigon hotel. There is a small local restaurant at the corner. Sit there and get a beer and you wll see the beauties parade in and out for selection every time someone goes in. You will may more confident walking in after seeing this for a bit. Also you can pre-choose while sipping a beer with no pressure. Please do no offer more that 1 Mil VND all included (room also included) The guy may ask for more but will accept 1 Mil gladly. Lets not drive up the prices for us poor souls.Did you mean Ho Huan Nghiep (Hồ Huấn Nghiệp). May be because this editor tends to corrupt the special characters if you edit your post!

Cheers.

[Jimmy Di]

My girlfriend and I have been traveling for the last 10 years to countries like the Philippines, Thailand, Colombia, Panama, China, etc and always enjoy threesome action. She's very attractive and women are always drawn.

Toward her.

We are thinking about visiting Vietnam in addition to Pattaya and Tokyo, in the next month to for some fun. From reading the forums about various cities in VN, it looks like most of the action takes place in massage locations which is not conducive for us in selecting a girl to take back to our hotel. (For example, in Thailand, we'll go to a bar girl club and choose a lady that suits us both and go from there.).

Am I correct in my observation that Hanoi, Saigon, etc do not have the girlie bars that would work for us?

Thanks much for any replies.

[LukeSkywalker]

YuKKsmon's GF told me to say thank you nicely.


This is good info.

Can you state the name of that restaurant, or the alley number and name of that street?

[James Dean 2]

Did you mean Ho Huan Nghiep (Hồ Huấn Nghiệp). May be because this editor tends to corrupt the special characters if you edit your post!

Cheers.Yes. That is it.

[Wendella]

Yes. That is it.Important for something like this, what TIME is good to go sit there?

This isn't my scene at all, but that is the kind of detail that one would need to know -- I've noticed for example that the girls who get brought for lineups to ST hotels round there (or actually closer to Ben Thanh, off the canal) seem to operate from about 7 pm t 9 pm, with slimmer pickings later, and outside those hours you don't see them anywhere. They're easy to spot because you see a guy with 2 girls in sexy outfit and no helmets riding fast through traffic, and usually more than one motorbike like that, going more or less together on their way to some hotel somewhere. If these girls are part of that same scene, and they might be, then it would be evening time only, no point going there day time or late at night. But maybe your place is not part of what I've seen.

[NguyetLang]

This street is called 18 H&I Hun Nghip and this alley is opposite grand Saigon hotel. There is a small local restaurant at the corner. Sit there and get a beer and you wll see the beauties parade in and out for selection every time someone goes in. You will may more confident walking in after seeing this for a bit. Also you can pre-choose while sipping a beer with no pressure. Please do no offer more that 1 Mil VND all included (room also included) The guy may ask for more but will accept 1 Mil gladly. Lets not drive up the prices for us poor souls.Great info. I will be in Saigon in early Feb. Will check it out and FR my experience. Thanks.

Peter,

[Broski]

Just arrived in HCM and herd something about a special assistant type girl that you can have for a few days, any intel on this?

Also would love some information on where I can find quality girls for 1-2 M to bring home.

Thanks in advance.

(I'll be reading / searching this thread more but just on my mobile so its a bit hard).

[Geneva Guy]

Just arrived in HCM and herd something about a special assistant type girl that you can have for a few days, any intel on this?

Also would love some information on where I can find quality girls for 1-2 M to bring home.

Thanks in advance.

(I'll be reading / searching this thread more but just on my mobile so its a bit hard).Funny you should ask.

I have talked to girls in Haiphong that do that. They generally work for some sort of "travel agency" and they claim that this is just a tour guide / companion. NO sex involved at all. The girls I talked to really loved it. Because they got to meet foreigners (seems that the VN are fascinated with meeting foreigners, at least that has been my reception during the large amount of time I have spent in VN). But again, they stressed. This is G rated stuff only. I don't know about HCMC. But I suspect a hotel can point you in that direction. But I also suspect that isn't what you are looking for. Again, try wechat, in haiphong, this has been a gold mine for me.

I can confirm, I have met a number of VN girls in various jobs. And many enjoy meeting foreigners, but that is as far as it goes. Unless they are husband hunting and you are spouse hunting.

GG.

[James02]

Which airline company is offering the best deals on flights from Europe to HCM right now?

[Fast Eddie 48]

Which airline company is offering the best deals on flights from Europe to HCM right now?To James02.

If you are looking for direct flight there are not many not sure where are you flying from, if you want cheap flight you need to transfer at Hong Kong or Bangkok just check one of the airline fare web site to get best fare.

Fast eddie 48.

[Wendella]

Which airline company is offering the best deals on flights from Europe to HCM right now?http://www.kayak.com/flights/LON-SGN/2016-02-10/2016-02-24

Just sample flight dates. Looks like Thai Air is cheapest closely followed by Emirates, both round $850-860 more or less. This out of London.

Kind of a roundabout way to find airfares, coming to a sex forum. Do you go to Ortitz to find out where to find girls? ;.).

[Kenter]

Which airline company is offering the best deals on flights from Europe to HCM right now?I use www.opedo.com and just got my flight with Thai flying into Hanoi and out via Hoi Chi Min. The cheapest was Emirates but it was a 36 hour journey home so check the flight times carefully.

[Tmackly]

Which airline company is offering the best deals on flights from Europe to HCM right now?I used one travel.

[Bdb013]

I will be traveling to Ho Chi Minh for the first time in February. It will be the week of Tet. I am staying at the Dragon Palace Hotel. I will spend the Eve of Tet and day of Tet in the Mekong Delta with a Vietnamese family. Can anyone offer suggestions of places to.

Do some mongering while in Saigon. Also looking at a side trip to Phenom Penh for a couple of days. Overall will be in Vietnam and Cambodia for a week. What are my prospects likely to be going during Tet?

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[Wendella]

Can anyone offer suggestions of places to do some mongering while in Saigon. Also looking at a side trip to Phenom Penh for a couple of days. Overall will be in Vietnam and Cambodia for a week. What are my prospects likely to be going during Tet?Your prospects will be very poor. Everyone in Vietnam goes home to spend time with their family during Tet holiday, some for a few days, some for a couple of weeks. Monger options are extremely bad at that time of year. It's like the 2 weeks out of 52 when you absolutely would not want to visit Vietnam for mongering purposes. Cambodia should be its usual self then, so at least you have that to look forward to.

[PussyTamer]

Did you mean Ho Huan Nghiep (Hồ Huấn Nghiệp). May be because this editor tends to corrupt the special characters if you edit your post!

Cheers.Hello folks,

It might sounds a bit odd, but does someone know where I can find Russians or westerns in HCMC except the backpackers area?

I'd love to share my experience after ward!

I did some swipe on tinder, seen lot of tourist / Russians but I was wondering where they hang out usually.

Thank you!

[Tiger 888]

Hello folks,

It might sounds a bit odd, but does someone know where I can find Russians or westerns in HCMC except the backpackers area?

I'd love to share my experience after ward!

I did some swipe on tinder, seen lot of tourist / Russians but I was wondering where they hang out usually.

Thank you!Sounds a bit like going to the US for Viets. You may try Mui Ne though. Can't order food there if you don't read Russian.

[Elmer]

Hi there,

Does anybody know if I can purchase Oral Jelly in HCM and if so where?

Many thanks.

Elmer

[PussyTamer]

Sounds a bit like going to the US for Viets. You may try Mui Ne though. Can't order food there if you don't read Russian.Thank you tiger, yeah I've heard that, the problem is I'll be in HCMC for 5 days and an overnight trip to Mui Ne seems not worthed. I mean at 10 hours (round trip) to get there.

[Wendella]

Sounds a bit like going to the US for Viets. No, not really, because there actually are Vietnamese working girls in the US, but there aren't Russian ones in Vietnam. The only place I know in this part of the world for that would be Bankgok or Pattaya, and at very inflated prices and low quality (looks, attitude).

[OliviaWW]

Which airline company is offering the best deals on flights from Europe to HCM right now?I use to search on skyscanner.

[MutantChicken]

The rewards when you do spend time and go looking, so I took my bike and road on a "likely" street for hanky panky stuff, heading SW away from d5, after 30 minutes I found a stretch of road that had a few cafe om. 2 weeks ago I saw a big breasted MILF (25 ish) that I wanted to try if she was avail. But before arrive at this particular cafe I spotted a small (5'ish) cute girl so I stopped and had a drink so I can check her out. WOW she was a GEM, prob only 5' ir 150 cm, but the breasts def a see cup, it looks big when she was fully dressed but when naked it was a wonder to behold, firm and so perky. Face was so cute, she told me she just turned 18, had hardly any makeup on, large eyes. And her pussy, the kind of pussy only a 18 yr old could have so tight and that puffy labia they had with no hair around the labia just a small about around ther pubis. The BJ wasn't great a bit of a BJ then some HJ, more BJ again. It wants great but combined with her good attitude and innocence, it was enough for me to cum, NO CIM BTW. Now cop me the great part for a total cost of 100 k, IE less than 5 USD.

So guys spent some time looking and you will also find. Go get a bike and go explore.

P.S. That big breasted MILF wasn't there when I got to the other cafe om, she has supposedly gone back to her village and will return later.

[NguyetLang]

The rewards when you do spend time and go looking, so I took my bike and road on a "likely" street for hanky panky stuff, heading SW away from d5, after 30 minutes I found a stretch of road that had a few cafe om. 2 weeks ago I saw a big breasted MILF (25 ish) that I wanted to try if she was avail. But before arrive at this particular cafe I spotted a small (5'ish) cute girl so I stopped and had a drink so I can check her out. WOW she was a GEM, prob only 5' ir 150 cm, but the breasts def a see cup, it looks big when she was fully dressed but when naked it was a wonder to behold, firm and so perky. Face was so cute, she told me she just turned 18, had hardly any makeup on, large eyes. And her pussy, the kind of pussy only a 18 yr old could have so tight and that puffy labia they had with no hair around the labia just a small about around ther pubis. The BJ wasn't great a bit of a BJ then some HJ, more BJ again. It wants great but combined with her good attitude and innocence, it was enough for me to cum, NO CIM BTW. Now cop me the great part for a total cost of 100 k, IE less than 5 USD.

So guys spent some time looking and you will also find. Go get a bike and go explore.

P.S. That big breasted MILF wasn't there when I got to the other cafe om, she has supposedly gone back to her village and will return later.Is this NTL? And several streets near it? My favorite part of town about 1-2 years ago. I now have some steady free pussies in Saigon, and have not been to this stretch of town much, good to hear that it is still buzzing.

[Daikom]

Some www about vietnam?

[MutantChicken]

Is this NTL? And several streets near it? My favorite part of town about 1-2 years ago. I now have some steady free pussies in Saigon, and have not been to this stretch of town much, good to hear that it is still buzzing.NTL, dist 10? No that street never has had cafe om, the street I mean is a bit more provincial.

[Wendella]

NTL, dist 10? No that street never has had cafe om, the street I mean is a bit more provincial.The clues you drop mean it is probably Binh Chanh district. I know one strip of cafe oms in that district but they're rougher than what I would think you would like, so it makes me think that's not the spot. Binh Chanh is pretty huge so there must be more than just that one area with cafe oms. The spot I'm thinking has about 8 all pretty close together. Might be more on that street further out, but I haven't been down that far in a couple years, can't be sure.

[Pipe Layer99]

The rewards when you do spend time and go looking, so I took my bike and road on a "likely" street for hanky panky stuff, heading SW away from d5, after 30 minutes I found a stretch of road that had a few cafe om. 2 weeks ago I saw a big breasted MILF (25 ish) that I wanted to try if she was avail. But before arrive at this particular cafe I spotted a small (5'ish) cute girl so I stopped and had a drink so I can check her out. WOW she was a GEM, prob only 5' ir 150 cm, but the breasts def a see cup, it looks big when she was fully dressed but when naked it was a wonder to behold, firm and so perky. Face was so cute, she told me she just turned 18, had hardly any makeup on, large eyes. And her pussy, the kind of pussy only a 18 yr old could have so tight and that puffy labia they had with no hair around the labia just a small about around ther pubis. The BJ wasn't great a bit of a BJ then some HJ, more BJ again. It wants great but combined with her good attitude and innocence, it was enough for me to cum, NO CIM BTW. Now cop me the great part for a total cost of 100 k, IE less than 5 USD.

So guys spent some time looking and you will also find. Go get a bike and go explore.

P.S. That big breasted MILF wasn't there when I got to the other cafe om, she has supposedly gone back to her village and will return later.Yeah great story with limited details. Blah blah blah. I'm calling bullish.

[Wendella]

NTL, dist 10? No that street never has had cafe om, the street I mean is a bit more provincial.Speaking of which, drove quickly through that area earlier today and, man, seems like most of the naughty hot tocs in that area got shut down while I was away. So many there in November, so few now. Nguyen Tieu La. Since the places are all gone now, it's probably safe to say the name.

[LukeSkywalker]

Some guys want to charge the bros' their pimps' cuts for knowing where the pussies are.


Yeah great story with limited details. Blah blah blah. I'm calling bullish.

[NguyetLang]

I am in town for Tet. Since last year I have chosen to take on a semi-steady GF. It was pretty easy to take the deal of free FS with room and board included. The trade off is that I have to sacrifice some freedom. Most of the time I am in her company. Thankfully she's pretty busy and hard working lady, I find myself with free time here and there. Not enough time for full session of mongering, but enough for quickies such as HTGD or website call girl.

For HTGD I mostly use the ones on SVH and LHP (Note: "TOP" in alley 740 has moved, any one with new address, please share).

For website call girl I use mainly thiendia.com, the comments left on each girl are usually trustworthy, especially the negative ones, so you can avoid her.

The girls are listed by quan / districts (geographically), Q10 and Q Tan Binh seems to have more than others.

http://thiendia.com/diendan/forumdisplay.php?f=198

My most recent encounter was with this girl Tuong Vy, about 23, good body. She did a good job for a ST, best part of the deal is the price: 400 k for her and 80 k for the ST hotel. Total of 480 k (about $22 USD) for 1 HR of light massage, BBBJ, and FS, no DFK but managed some light kissing.

http://thiendia.com/diendan/showthread.php?t=984019

I gave her an extra 100 k tip and she was very happy. She also said the best tip is to leave positive comment on the webpage, so I did.

The only draw back with this web is that it is in Vietnamese. However, I know many members have done well with using Google translate, plus a few spoken words (in your funny western accent, of course).

My preference here is a steady local GF, with a few quickies for variety. For those expats that will be here for a relatively long term, you will find that arrangement is a good deal. The Vietnamese women tend to treat their men very well, and have very low expectation in return. I am happy with the scene here. Not quite as free flow as other ASEAN countries, but the women are just as easy to find, not hard, just different.

Enjoy Vietnam,

Peter.

[LukeSkywalker]

The cafe is on the street behind hotel Kathy, at the corner. Some girls hang out there for lunch or coffee between sessions. You will see a few people sitting around in that place. Or you can hang out in the lobbies of hotel Kathy and Hoang Ha and propose to the ones you like, as they go in and out.

You should text the girls before going down to make sure where and when they start work. They usually start about noon.

The pics in those web sites have all been altered to make the girls look skinnier. Or perhaps their pics were a few years old before they gorge on junk food and balloon up? Almost all are heavier and less attractive than shown in their pics. So you should go with the very skinny girls, then they will be about right in person.

A girl in China, I met via DIA, told me about the software that makes girls look way skinnier with those big doe eyes in their dating sites' pics. The girl looked way too plain and almost 30 lbs heavier in person. She made me sick!

If you want to pick up women for free, try a few known cafes. A local friend took me to cafe Dalat Pho (a huge villa in a very classy neighborhood somewhere in district 1, converted to a huge cafe with 3 floors and air conditioning, a very nice place to hang out with cheap coffee and food. There were a few tables each with 5 or 6 women sitting around, inactive, bored, not talking to each other. They obviously were looking for guys to hit on them. My friend was telling me to pick a freebie up for the night, but the women were all older, like mid 30's to mid 40's, fairly heavy, not all that good-looking. So I passed. I was working on a young and pretty waitress. I would have to wait until she ends her shift at 2 AM.

I know a Viet expat in his mid 60's who had a GF in mid 20's from a HTGD. She would go to the hotel and fuck him for free, hoping for a relationship.

Another Viet expat in his mid 50's hooked up with a HTGD girl 22 years old. She was not pretty but very aggressive. She made him marry her. They have 2 kids now. She's not good-looking enough for me to want to fuck. Don't know why he married her.

These girls are prostitutes, sucking dicks for a living. Why should anyone marry them? Once you have personal relationships with these girls, they just know girlish ways to hook you for life. I want to keep the relationships professional for now.

[NguyetLang]

The cafe is on the street behind hotel Kathy, at the corner. Some girls hang out there for lunch or coffee between sessions. You will see a few people sitting around in that place. Or you can hang out in the lobbies of hotel Kathy and Hoang Ha and propose to the ones you like, as they go in and out.

I know a Viet expat in his mid 60's who had a GF in mid 20's from a HTGD. She would go to the hotel and fuck him for free, hoping for a relationship.

Another Viet expat in his mid 50's hooked up with a HTGD girl 22 years old. She was not pretty but very aggressive. She made him marry her. They have 2 kids now. She's not good-looking enough for me to want to fuck. Don't know why he married her.

These girls are prostitutes, sucking dicks for a living. Why should anyone marry them? Once you have personal relationships with these girls, they just know girlish ways to hook you for life. I want to keep the relationships professional for now.I would NOT consider HTGD or any WG as potential GF. I picked up my current GF, of all places, in a pagoda. She was there for praying and I was there to meet a friend. Waitress and supermarket girls are also safe bet. The night walking street Nguyen Hue also good places to meet girls. I also have had good conversations with female college-age students in 23/9 park near backpackers area (Pham Ngu Lao). Several are good potential for further development. Remember these are relationships that require some investment of time and attentions, but the rewards are well worth it.

The locals has a scale to indicate the level of efforts for these kind of plays, they call it notes (as in musical notation).

0 note = possible F**k on first date after a drink or dinner.

1 note = F**k on second date.

2 note = F**k after 2 dates. And so on.

The notes systems also proportional to the physical looks of the girl, the prettier ones are usually multi-notes.

They also called this the art of "chan rau" (farming vegetables), as in cultivation (chan), the boys are "nong dan" (farmers) and the girls are "rau" (vegetables).

Now you now some local lingo's.

Good luck!

[Robert Paulson]

Guys,

Looking for some advice.

Recently I decided to visit a girl that I had been seeing for a few months in her hometown. She lives in a small village in farm country in the middle of.

Nowhere. The village is several hours east of the Nang.

I was reluctant to go but I ended up going any way and I ended up spending a few days at her home. Aside from two very minor encounters with two aggressive guys there were.

No problems.

With that said though, I'm wondering if me visiting this place is foolish. Being the only foreigner in the village am I a prime target for something to happen bad to happen?

Also, I think I may have met the girl's "manager". Let me explain. A guy called her early one morning just after we woke. When I asked her who called her she said it was her mom's.

Friend asking when the party which they planned for that day was. Later that day when the guy arrived, she pointed out the man as the one who called that morning.

I can't help but to wonder why her mom's friend is calling her and not her mom. I'm thinking this guy was her boss. Despite him being friendly and polite he looked a bit shady and.

His index finger was cut off near the tip as well. Is that a result of some organized crime ritual or initiation? Assuming it is, how worried do I need to be around this person? Am I.

Putting myself in a possibly dangerous situation?

I ask these questions because I was considering returning for another visit.

One of the things that did make me feel a bit more relaxed was that they said they needed to report my visit to the local police department. In order to do that they needed my.

Passport so that a copy could be provided to the police. They took my passport and sent one of the family members. At least this is what they told me. Since I.

Didn't go with them to I have no way of knowing if they really did report my visit. Hope they did.

I know the post may seem a bit odd and perhaps I may be reading too much into things but was still hoping to get some of your opinions. Any advice would be very much.

Appreciated. Thanks fellas!

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[LukeSkywalker]

Run, don't walk from that village near Danang.

That region is so poor, home of the infamous Mylai massacre of 500 old men, women and children in 1969 by LT Bill Calley of US Army:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre

"Mỹ Lai Massacre was the Vietnam War mass killing of between 347 and 504 unarmed civilians in South Vietnam on March 16,1968. It was committed by USA Army soldiers from the Company see of the 1st Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment, 11th Brigade of the 23rd (Americal) Infantry Division ".

Search in the internet for reports by some Australian guys who got sucked in by seemingly innocent girls in Danang, living in a small bare room with her parents and siblings, had her father blessings for fucking his daughter (in the room before marriage, the elaborate wedding, draining all his bank accounts, giving all his cash to her in preparation for her move to Australia.

He went back to Australia to do paper work to bring her over. Within 1 week, she stopped answering her phone. He came back to her village in Danang looking for her but she disappeared. The people at house he stayed at did not speak English, did not recall him staying at their house, and did not know the girl he asked about.

She had rented that house and set up those people to play father and mother for her, so she could drain all his cash.

In your case, the guy with the chopped off index finger must be her BF, pimp, local mafia. He owns and controls her. They took your passport so they can also control you. You are the fat cow for the whole village. They are working on lies and set ups to drain all your assets. The local police and government are in the scam for a share. People in remote villages still think of the rest of the world as imperialist enemies who deserved to be gored and tortured.

So run, don't walk from all those sweet and sexy spider webs tying you down to be gored, sucked dry and eaten alive bits by bits.

Your chances of finding genuine relationships with Viet women and some legal protection are better in big cities like Saigon. But I also know local tough guys who were cleaned out by spurned GF's and the legal recourse are so confusing and expensive that they had to give up.

If you must have this girl, take her out of her insidious village, bring her to Saigon to live away from her pimp, have local lawyers draw up agreements to make sure you are not raped by the shady people behind her.


Guys,

Looking for some advice.

Recently I decided to visit a girl that I had been seeing for a few months in her hometown. She lives in a small village in farm country in the middle of.

Nowhere. The village is several hours east of the Nang.

I was reluctant to go but I ended up going any way and I ended up spending a few days at her home. Aside from two very minor encounters with two aggressive guys there were.

No problems.

With that said though, I'm wondering if me visiting this place is foolish. Being the only foreigner in the village am I a prime target for something to happen bad to happen?

Also, I think I may have met the girl's "manager". Let me explain..

[CodeX]

I will be in Ho Chi Minh next week and I am looking for a nude model for photography.

Not sexual, but perhaps freelancers may be interested in modeling?

I want to hire 1 model for 2 hours or 2 models for 3 hours.

Sexy, slim and beautiful are ideal.

Does anyone know where to hire nude models? Or is it easier to find a freelancer to pose?

[Wendella]

Guys,

Looking for some advice.

OK I'm not sure we need to bring the Mai Lai massacre into this. The story of the disappearing village was fantastic though, a true classic, so I'm really glad your situation got us to be able to hear that one. So a big thanks to both you guys.

What you gave us here is a lot about details that worried you and not too much about the substance of this relationship. Ok you met her on the internet, and that right away is a route that is going to lead to natural feelings of mistrust (or more the inability to gain trust) since you don't see the person in the flesh and can't really check anything out. (she lives in a dirt poor village, yet has a profile on a dating site frequented by foreigners? Is she that tech-savvy?) That detail of the mother's friend defintely sounds completely weird, I mean WHY is he calling in the morning?, and also the missing index finger. I'm not going to BS you and say I know what that means in mafia-land, but my experience in Vietnam is that young guys here do a lot of really stupid stuff and accidentally chopping off one's own finger is, how should I put it, I'm surprised there aren't more VN guys with missing fingers. You've seen them drive, right? But in Mafia-land, it seems like that would be a PUNISHMENT not an initiation ritual.

So this girl, you say girl, how old is she? She lives alone? Is she working? Does her place look like one that's set up for only her to live in? Does it look lived in, like she has been living there for a long time? I think it would be unusual in Vietnam for a "girl" (assuming that means one 18-25 or so) would live by herself away from her family unless she had some decent job that she went there for. But this is a village, people don't normally go to small villages to get decently paid work. They go to cities.

It might help if we had some idea of her age and your age. Not your exact age, but approximate. Her exact age. And how well do you think you got to know her? What are your and her feelings by now?

Probably the most disturbing aspect of your report is that this village, as you say, is located several hours east of Danang, which would mean it is far out in the ocean. Perhaps that guy's finger was bit off by a shark. Seriously, I'm not sure what you mean by this. If you meant "west" and not "east", well then it would mean the village is in Laos. Maybe you should look at Google maps and try to pinpoint it a bit better.

It's true that in VN they normally take your passport for the police to check. I don't think this is reassuring or disturbing, just neutral. Luke's way off on this one, they are not holding your passport as leverage. I mean, this is all past tense, and you're not in Vietnam now, so it means obviously you got it back.

Next time you go, you could try to have her come visit you in Danang or some place (Saigon might be a bit too far for her), though while that setup might be better for you and her to be alone together and get more quaity time, it would basically just make it impossible for you to get to know more about who she really is. You could ask to meet her family, as a way of checking her out better. Though beware that such a visit has meaning itself, suggests you are serious about her. (You're not letting us know the nature of your relationship here, so that would help).

I wish NguyetLang would weigh in on this, he's got the most insight into the local culture here of all of us. But meeting people through the internet, I think you always have doubts and suspicions like these. If you have serious intentions, you really need months together in the same place to really know the person, and the situation.

[Wendella]

I will be in Ho Chi Minh next week and I am looking for a nude model for photography.

Not sexual, but perhaps freelancers may be interested in modeling?

I want to hire 1 model for 2 hours or 2 models for 3 hours.

Sexy, slim and beautiful are ideal.

Does anyone know where to hire nude models? Or is it easier to find a freelancer to pose?Gee, you could not have picked a worse week to visit here looking for a nude model. This is Tet holiday, and everyone will go home to spend a week or 2 with their family.

I don't know about actual nude models (and it's a dead end due to the holiday), but you might be able to find freelancers who'd be up for it. Since you are new here, clubs could be hard (expensive, and which girls are the freelancers and which not, can be hard to tell if you are new). Bui Vien street in backpacker district has quite a few bars with girls available, and if you go to where that street meets Do Quang Do, you will find many such bars. Beautiful? Well, I never see stunning girls there, but a few fairly cute ones. And during Tet, not sure how many will be working, numbers certain to be lower than usual.

[NguyetLang]

Guys,

Looking for some advice.

Recently I decided to visit a girl that I had been seeing for a few months in her hometown. She lives in a small village in farm country in the middle of Nowhere. The village is several hours east of the Nang. I was reluctant to go but I ended up going any way and I ended up spending a few days at her home. Aside from two very minor encounters with two aggressive guys there were No problems.

With that said though, I'm wondering if me visiting this place is foolish. Being the only foreigner in the village am I a prime target for something to happen bad to happen?

Also, I think I may have met the girl's "manager". Let me explain. A guy called her early one morning just after we woke. When I asked her who called her she said it was her mom's Friend asking when the party which they planned for that day was. Later that day when the guy arrived, she pointed out the man as the one who called that morning.

I can't help but to wonder why her mom's friend is calling her and not her mom. I'm thinking this guy was her boss. Despite him being friendly and polite he looked a bit shady and His index finger was cut off near the tip as well. Is that a result of some organized crime ritual or initiation? Assuming it is, how worried do I need to be around this person? Am I Putting myself in a possibly dangerous situation?

I ask these questions because I was considering returning for another visit.

One of the things that did make me feel a bit more relaxed was that they said they needed to report my visit to the local police department. In order to do that they needed my. Passport so that a copy could be provided to the police. They took my passport and sent one of the family members. At least this is what they told me. Since I Didn't go with them to I have no way of knowing if they really did report my visit. Hope they did.

I know the post may seem a bit odd and perhaps I may be reading too much into things but was still hoping to get some of your opinions. Any advice would be very much. Appreciated. Thanks fellas! What you described is very typical of people in a village, some are more friendly than others. Vietnamese are very social people, the man that was her mom's friend can call her directly, since everyone in the village usually know each other pretty well, that is normal practice, nothing to be alarm! As far as the finger, organized crime don't waste time in Vietnam rural village, simply just not enough money there. Organized crimes are mostly city stuff. You have more chance of being a victim of organized crime in the city than in a rural village.

The passport thing is a leftover of the old communist era. They have stopped doing that in big cities, but officials in rural village may still practice that due to lack of knowledge or lack of training or both. They know one way of doing things and don't bother to change. Just go along with it. The fact that they can send one of the family member attests to the fact that the village people know each other very well, and they trust each other with official matters. Chances are that the police chief may be related to the family, or at least friend of the family. My estimation is that you are pretty safe in that village.

Another fact is that in rural village, the communist party apparatus works very very well. As long as you don't tread on sensitive topics like human rights or government stuff, even the communists welcome foreign tourists. They (the communist officials) very much would like to see to your safety. It serves their interest to find you safe and sound under their watch. If something happen to you they (the communist officials in the village) will have some real big headaches. They may loose their high post or ranking in the village. But be warned, as soon as you touch on topics like human rights, their attitude can take 180 turn and, no thing too bad will happen, but you may find yourself on the earliest bus next morning leaving the village.

Hope the above helps, enjoy your visits.

Peter Nguyetlang.

[CodeX]

Gee, you could not have picked a worse week to visit here looking for a nude model. This is Tet holiday, and everyone will go home to spend a week or 2 with their family.

I don't know about actual nude models (and it's a dead end due to the holiday), but you might be able to find freelancers who'd be up for it. Since you are new here, clubs could be hard (expensive, and which girls are the freelancers and which not, can be hard to tell if you are new). Bui Vien street in backpacker district has quite a few bars with girls available, and if you go to where that street meets Do Quang Do, you will find many such bars. Beautiful? Well, I never see stunning girls there, but a few fairly cute ones. And during Tet, not sure how many will be working, numbers certain to be lower than usual.Thanks!

I may be able to hold the trip off by a week in that case.

I am new in the country so I will need as much luck on my side as I can get.

I really need as beautiful as I can get too. I am looking to publish these shots.

I usually use nude model websites but have been unable to find one in Vietnamese yet.

I may give Danchoi a try and see what response I get there.

I'll def get a hotel in Bui Vien too, sounds like the best place to stay for an exciting trip.

[Robert Paulson]

What you described is very typical of people in a village, some are more friendly than others. Vietnamese are very social people, the man that was her mom's friend can call her directly, since everyone in the village usually know each other pretty well, that is normal practice, nothing to be alarm! As far as the finger, organized crime don't waste time in Vietnam rural village, simply just not enough money there. Organized crimes are mostly city stuff. You have more chance of being a victim of organized crime in the city than in a rural village.

The passport thing is a leftover of the old communist era. They have stopped doing that in big cities, but officials in rural village may still practice that due to lack of knowledge or lack of training or both. They know one way of doing things and don't bother to change. Just go along with it. The fact that they can send one of the family member attests to the fact that the village people know each other very well, and they trust each other with official matters. Chances are that the police chief may be related to the family, or at least friend of the family. My estimation is that you are pretty safe in that village.

Another fact is that in rural village, the communist party apparatus works very very well. As long as you don't tread on sensitive topics like human rights or government stuff, even the communists welcome foreign tourists. They (the communist officials) very much would like to see to your safety. It serves their interest to find you safe and sound under their watch. If something happen to you they (the communist officials in the village) will have some real big headaches. They may loose their high post or ranking in the village. But be warned, as soon as you touch on topics like human rights, their attitude can take 180 turn and, no thing too bad will happen, but you may find yourself on the earliest bus next morning leaving the village.

Hope the above helps, enjoy your visits.

Peter Nguyetlang.Thank you for the great feedback. I thought organized crime members usually find their girls in the villages? I figured because of that they do spend time there.

[Robert Paulson]

OK I'm not sure we need to bring the Mai Lai massacre into this. The story of the disappearing village was fantastic though, a true classic, so I'm really glad your situation got us to be able to hear that one. So a big thanks to both you guys.

What you gave us here is a lot about details that worried you and not too much about the substance of this relationship. Ok you met her on the internet, and that right away is a route that is going to lead to natural feelings of mistrust (or more the inability to gain trust) since you don't see the person in the flesh and can't really check anything out. (she lives in a dirt poor village, yet has a profile on a dating site frequented by foreigners? Is she that tech-savvy?) That detail of the mother's friend defintely sounds completely weird, I mean WHY is he calling in the morning?, and also the missing index finger. I'm not going to BS you and say I know what that means in mafia-land, but my experience in Vietnam is that young guys here do a lot of really stupid stuff and accidentally chopping off one's own finger is, how should I put it, I'm surprised there aren't more VN guys with missing fingers. You've seen them drive, right? But in Mafia-land, it seems like that would be a PUNISHMENT not an initiation ritual.

So this girl, you say girl, how old is she? She lives alone? Is she working? Does her place look like one that's set up for only her to live in? Does it look lived in, like she has been living there for a long time? I think it would be unusual in Vietnam for a "girl" (assuming that means one 18-25 or so) would live by herself away from her family unless she had some decent job that she went there for. But this is a village, people don't normally go to small villages to get decently paid work. They go to cities.

It might help if we had some idea of her age and your age. Not your exact age, but approximate. Her exact age. And how well do you think you got to know her? What are your and her feelings by now?

Probably the most disturbing aspect of your report is that this village, as you say, is located several hours east of Danang, which would mean it is far out in the ocean. Perhaps that guy's finger was bit off by a shark. Seriously, I'm not sure what you mean by this. If you meant "west" and not "east", well then it would mean the village is in Laos. Maybe you should look at Google maps and try to pinpoint it a bit better.

It's true that in VN they normally take your passport for the police to check. I don't think this is reassuring or disturbing, just neutral. Luke's way off on this one, they are not holding your passport as leverage. I mean, this is all past tense, and you're not in Vietnam now, so it means obviously you got it back.

Next time you go, you could try to have her come visit you in Danang or some place (Saigon might be a bit too far for her), though while that setup might be better for you and her to be alone together and get more quaity time, it would basically just make it impossible for you to get to know more about who she really is. You could ask to meet her family, as a way of checking her out better. Though beware that such a visit has meaning itself, suggests you are serious about her. (You're not letting us know the nature of your relationship here, so that would help).

I wish NguyetLang would weigh in on this, he's got the most insight into the local culture here of all of us. But meeting people through the internet, I think you always have doubts and suspicions like these. If you have serious intentions, you really need months together in the same place to really know the person, and the situation.Thank you Wendella, really appreciate the help. You are right, I mistakenly wrote east but meant west. To be more specific, I flew into the airport just near Quy Nhon. From there we drove about 90 minutes to the north and west to her village.

Apologies for not providing more background but I didn't meet her online. We met in Singapore. She was working at a KTV bar. Hence my suspicion of the older guy with severed finger who called her being her pimp. She is 30 and I am in my mid forties.

We met early in 2015 in Sg. I saw her on three occasions in Singapore. When we first met, a couple of months later and a third time in the fall where I had her stay with me for 10 days. After that her job in SG was finished and she went back to Vn. I met her once again for a fourth time but that time we met in Saigon.

In between our get together we would chat frequently on skype. I met her mother and brother on video chat. I met them in person as well when I visited. The three of them. Her, mom and brother live in the same home. She has a room in the back of the house that, now that I think about it, doesn't have a lot of stuff inside of it. A small rack for her clothes and a bed and a desk covered with clutter, IE, makeup, pictures etc.

She has definitely been staying there at least since September since she returned as confirmed on our skype calls. She tells me she is childless, which seems odd considering most woman outside of the west have at least one child as well as the fact that she is an attractive girl.

Not surprisingly, she talks about marriage. I told her that I've never been married and have no plans to get married. She still brings it up of course.

[Robert Paulson]

Run, don't walk from that village near Danang.

That region is so poor, home of the infamous Mylai massacre of 500 old men, women and children in 1969 by LT Bill Calley of US Army:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre

"Mỹ Lai Massacre was the Vietnam War mass killing of between 347 and 504 unarmed civilians in South Vietnam on March 16,1968. It was committed by USA Army soldiers from the Company see of the 1st Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment, 11th Brigade of the 23rd (Americal) Infantry Division ".

Search in the internet for reports by some Australian guys who got sucked in by seemingly innocent girls in Danang, living in a small bare room with her parents and siblings, had her father blessings for fucking his daughter (in the room before marriage, the elaborate wedding, draining all his bank accounts, giving all his cash to her in preparation for her move to Australia.

He went back to Australia to do paper work to bring her over. Within 1 week, she stopped answering her phone. He came back to her village in Danang looking for her but she disappeared. The people at house he stayed at did not speak English, did not recall him staying at their house, and did not know the girl he asked about..You're scaring the crap out of me Luke.

[LukeSkywalker]

Most organized criminals recruit their victims from the poorest, most desperate villages. All villages from Hanoi down to Dong Nai are poor and have millions desperate girls susceptible to being trafficked into sexual slavery.

In a rural area with average per capita annual income of less then $500, young girls 18 to 25 went in debt of $50 K to $70 K each to buy a tourist visa to the US.

Guess who put up the money and what these young girls do in the US to repay those big loans?

http://www.thanhniennews.com/society/as-sestak-scandal-draws-to-close-us-government-gives-up-on-millions-49685.html

"The problem there is that the whole case didn't come about through careful oversight; it came about because a sad sack from Central Vietnam loaned his pregnant wife $20,000 to buy a US visa from Sestak and the Vos.

Instead of coming home with their baby boy, she disappeared, married another man and blabbed about it on Facebook. The sad sack wrote rambling letters to the President and the State Department's OIG trying to get his wife and money back."


Thank you for the great feedback. I thought organized crime members usually find their girls in the villages? I figured because of that they do spend time there.

[Asian Lover Oz]

I quick recap of my latest adventures in Saigon.

1) Girl from street in D1 (street pimp) - quite an interesting start, but she ended up absconding on the motorbike without her shoes.

2) Girl from lineup in hidden hotel in D1 (street pimp) - amazing 9/10.

3) Bloom hotel massage level 1 - HJ avail but not worth it.

4) Kingston hotel massage level 1 - HJ avail but not worth it.

5) Sexy girls hairwash and massage. Almost 100% guarantee to waste your money on those places ** except in D10.

6) NPK Hot Toc's. Recommend #68.

7) Wechat delivery. Skanky ho. Yuk.

8) Chu Bar. Recommended by a mate, but left after 1 beer.

9) District 10 - BJ / FJ by sexy haircut girl.

10) Haisen hotel. Looked only. Pass to the next punter to fully explore.

Will write up some more details as I get time. Any preference for which one to elaborate on?

[MikeHuntHertz]

I quick recap of my latest adventures in Saigon.

1) Girl from street in D1 (street pimp) - quite an interesting start, but she ended up absconding on the motorbike without her shoes.

2) Girl from lineup in hidden hotel in D1 (street pimp) - amazing 9/10.

3) Bloom hotel massage level 1 - HJ avail but not worth it.

4) Kingston hotel massage level 1 - HJ avail but not worth it.

5) Sexy girls hairwash and massage. Almost 100% guarantee to waste your money on those places ** except in D10.

6) NPK Hot Toc's. Recommend #68.

7) Wechat delivery. Skanky ho. Yuk.

8) Chu Bar. Recommended by a mate, but left after 1 beer.

9) District 10 - BJ / FJ by sexy haircut girl.

10) Haisen hotel. Looked only. Pass to the next punter to fully explore.

Will write up some more details as I get time. Any preference for which one to elaborate on?Elaboration on (6) NPK Hot Toc & (10) Sexy Haircut would be nice. Thank you. Does "sexy haircut" do ear cleaning too? Cheers, mate!

[LukeSkywalker]

Oz did have a very busy time and covered lots of grounds with his 10 days in Saigon. I am impressed with his thorough and systematic investigations of the scene.

The only missing option would be the many new and young girls from the country who hang out on the streets or work for cafe om, bia om places in district 4 and Binh Thanh. You need monger-drivers who know where they hang out who can negotiate normal low rates for all nighters to locals.

I would appreciate specific details for these options. PM me if you want.


I quick recap of my latest adventures in Saigon.


2) Girl from lineup in hidden hotel in D1 (street pimp) - amazing 9/10. What hotel? Where to find the pimp?

9) District 10 - BJ / FJ by sexy haircut girl. Which haircut places in D 10 that offer Full service sex in bed? Are the girls young, thin and pretty?

Will write up some more details as I get time. Any preference for which one to elaborate on?

[Asian Lover Oz]

Ok the first detailed review on the Saigon Hidden Hotel.

I know some guys on here say don't follow the street pimps but I have a habit of trying them out to see what they can offer. In Saigon I think the risks of anything drastic happening are very low, the worse is that they will overcharge you, or in about 50% of the time waste your time as they over promise and under deliver in terms of quality. In this case it turned out to be a great move as he took me to Aladdins cave of sweet 20 something Vietnamese pussy. I was standing outside my hotel on Thu Khoa Huan St, District 1 and for the most part people leave you alone, but this time around 10 pm I guy approached and said "What are you looking for?" I had a general conversation about my disappointment with the sexy hairdresser place we were standing near and the lack of quality in the Kingston hotel. So of course one thing led to another and he said don't waste your time on those places. I can show you a place with "many young girls". So off we go in a taxi towards Pham Ngu Lau and down a street that runs perpendicular to that. I'm looking at the map and I think it would be Calmette or one of the other streets nearby running in the same orientation. Anyway the street would normally be very busy I guess, but at night it was relatively quiet with most of the businesses shut. I'd say we went less than 1 km down that street then pulled up in front of a typical 2 star Vietnamese hotel.

Stupid me forgot to get the name and address for future use. The sliding door was partly open but all the lights were switched off and there was a dude standing in the doorway. So in we go sit in the dark foyer of the hotel and about 5 girls come out from the back. My guy had already told me it would be 1. 3 M for a few hours, but I confirmed again when the girls came out. Ok the 5 were nice but since I'm a super fussy bastard I said I wanted to see more, thinking they were just out the back. Anyway another batch of 5 arrived maybe 5 minutes later and there were 2 girls there I liked. One a super tall, glamourous and smiley girl giving me the nod and gestures to choose her. The other, the type I normally go for, petite and baby face.

I think I was even contemplating to ask to see more girls, when my guide suggested we don't stay there for too long and just choose one and go. So I took the smiley, tall one. They asked for payment up front but I refused due to a previous bad experience a few nights before. Then the hotel manager needed his tip money, negotiated that down to 100 VND and I also gave my guide another 100 when we got back to my hotel.

Into the room and this girl doesn't really talk much but loves cuddling and is total GFE. I had agreed on 2 hours to try to slow things down as I normally just come once and it's game over. So after a while I got her to do some BBBJ and she was great, no complaints, always still smiling and trying to please. She said she was 23 or 24 from memory but no kids and a flawless Vietnamese skin. Since she was doing well with BJ but not going all the way down I grabbed her head and tried to show her how to take more in for more a deep throat, She obliged and I was soon getting quite a vigourous BJ and holding her head at the same time. God damn I've got to release this now and boom into the mouth for a CIM and she quickly pulled out as the 2nd shot hit her face. Took it like a champ and then into the bathroom to clean up. I joined her in the shower but my old fella was still at attention (thanks to the pill) and she happily gave him a wash and we were all clean again. Out of the shower and I jokingly pushed her arms against the wall and simulated a standing doggy. As I was doing that she arched her bum out more to accept the entry and even grabbed the dick. I never do without condom but on this occasion I did enter her (pussy) for a few thrusts which got the old fella even more excited. Back to the bedroom and I thought she would just get dressed and go, but she joined me on the bed and round 2 started. OMG I can never do 2 rounds but I was as hard as rock and off we went to the races, and a 2nd coming was there in 15 minutes later. Amazing.

So total price 1. 5 M for a solid 2 hours with a tall model like girl. Sometimes it does pay to put your trust in those on the street, they do know a lot more than what you can hope to find just by wandering around. My guide wasn't a street pimp as such as works in the one of the hotels on Thu Khoa Huan. Unfortunately this was on my 2nd last night, so didn't get a chance to repeat.

[NguyetLang]

Thank you for the great feedback. I thought organized crime members usually find their girls in the villages? I figured because of that they do spend time there.The crime bosses stay in the city. They do send coyotes to lure the girls to the city. Violent crimes in Vietnam are still rare by comparison. The things to watch out are mainly small crimes such as purse snatchers, pick pockets, and frauds. Organized crimes tends to be in the area of drugs and big business graft / bribery / corruption. Mongering or trafficking in VN just not big enough (notice how cheap you paid for mongering) for the bosses to bother. Both drugs and corruption can get death penalty in VN. Mongering involving minor can also get the same. Parts of the reason is because the communist party is a monopoly and hates competition. They have both the police and the army to confront any organized crimes in the country. Most mongering activities discussed here got some kind of arrangement with local officials like those places on NPK. Once in a while a place got shutdown, not because the party has change in conscience, but only because a disagreement in terms and condition. Remember always that VN is NOT a free country, the government here do hold absolute power. As long as you are not in conflict with the government, you are pretty much safe here in VN, mongering included. I neither support or against the government, just enjoy my time.

Stay apolitical and enjoy Vietnam.

Peter.

[Asian Lover Oz]

My plan A for D10 was to use the Uber driver provided from LukeSkyWalker but for some reason he never responded.

Plan be was to book a girl from danchoi site myself but trying to navigate that on my phone was useless.

Plan see. Just grab a taxi and walk around to see what I could find.

So off we go on plan see.

Ok Guys, District 10 is very very local. You have to be pretty brave to venture up there by yourself and waltz into the shops looking for action. I always try to do these things as a bit of fun and smile with the owners before entering to ensure I'm not treading on the wrong toes. So I got the taxi to drop me at the corner of Su Van Hanh and Ba Thang Hai and headed North along SVH (numbers on the street are like 700+). There are lot of hairdresser shops, hotels, KTV and my sixth sense kicked in and knew there would be some stuff to find. It's a difficult street to navigate as the road is very busy and the footpaths are full of bikes and street vendors. Never the less, as I made my way down the street and approached the hairdresser shops and asked if massage was available. Once they indicated massage, I smiled and ask "special" ? Seems at least HJ was readily available, but I was really searching for a Hot Toc BJ place or more. At one of the places (close to Cali Hotel I think) and opposite a huge KTV place the boss man advised yes FJ is possible.

1,300000 upstairs with a cute 23 yo with the most amazing tits I've seen in a long long time, maybe in the top 10 of all time ever!! Super perky and pink like and a natural nice bee cup. Tiny spinner body, but the pussy, whilst looked delicious was not that tight or she had too much lube and it took me full on ram raid session to get some friction and feeling going on the massage table. Started with BBBJ as well and they have a shower in the room. Guess I paid the foreigner price but a nice discovery all the same.

[LukeSkywalker]

Su Van Hanh, starting at block 600's from 3 Thang 2 street going North, about half mile long, with its various alleys, has the highest concentration of Karaoke, HTGDs and short-time hotels in HCMC. The large karaoke joints were all packed with dozens motorbikes in the afternoon. WTF?

This street is easy to find, apparently safe day or night, with lots of retail businesses and good lighting. There are lots of girls and fun to be had all conveniently concentrated in this area, unlike other districts like Tan Binh, Phu Nhuan or Binh Thanh, where the actions spread out widely and difficult to find. The bros should do the same exploration of this red light district and report any significant details like Asian Lover Oz did.

It's fun to shop this street, sticking your head into these HTGDs to check out the young girls on display behind the front glass doors, and ask for full service. The 2 most likely to have FS would be either Kieu Anh or Tina at 718, then a few doors North are the famous boom boom hotels Cali and Dung Hanh at 732. I suspect a lot of the internet call girls sit around in the HTGDs, ready to go to the hotels nearby on calls.

You can also sit in the lobbies of hotels Cali and Dung Hanh and wait for the girls. There are usually girls waiting in the lobbies or go in and out. The reception guys and girls at these 2 hotels are young, cool and polite. They know what these guys and girls do in their hotels. They charge 50 K VnD ($4) for the first hour, but did not ask for more when I exceeded to hour and a half. Hotel Dung Hanh only charges 200 K VnD ($8) a day; Hotel Cathy on LHP charges 400 K VnD ($16). Their rooms are large, bright, airy with A / see, clean showers and 2 queen beds, very good values. There are plenty of food places on this street, but most close dafter 10 PM. I would probably rent a all day room here for dates with the girls.

I have a short list of about 20 best-looking girls which I selected and kept from the 120 or so listed in district 10. I deleted any girls whose looks and attitudes pissed me off. Most work in hotels on Su Van Hanh or LE Hong Phong, 1 block North. The 700 block of LE Hong Phong has a dozen cheap hotels along a quarter mile stretch, some cater to visitors to the huge pagoda across the street. WTF?

Any bro planning to visit this red light district should PM me for that select list. I just hope the local party bosses is well paid on time with plenty of free samples, so they won't nuke this red light village. .


Ok Guys, District 10 is very very local. You have to be pretty brave to venture up there by yourself and waltz into the shops looking for action. I always try to do these things as a bit of fun and smile with the owners before entering to ensure I'm not treading on the wrong toes. So I got the taxi to drop me at the corner of Su Van Hanh and Ba Thang Hai and headed North along SVH (numbers on the street are like 700+). There are lot of hairdresser shops, hotels, KTV and my sixth sense kicked in and knew there would be some stuff to find. It's a difficult street to navigate as the road is very busy and the footpaths are full of bikes and street vendors. Never the less, as I made my way down the street and approached the hairdresser shops and asked if massage was available. Once they indicated massage, I smiled and ask "special" ? Seems at least HJ was readily available, but I was really searching for a Hot Toc BJ place or more. At one of the places (close to Cali Hotel I think) and opposite a huge KTV place the boss man advised yes FJ is possible..

[Asian Lover Oz]

Good summary of SVH Luke. Pity we weren't able to rendezvous there, I'm sure we would have found even more working as a team.


Su Van Hanh, starting at block 600's from 3 Thang 2 street going North, about half mile long, with its various alleys, has the highest concentration of Karaoke, HTGDs and short-time hotels in HCMC. The large karaoke joints were all packed with dozens motorbikes in the afternoon. WTF?

[B Bardill]

I know where all these places are, I walk by every day when I visit my in-laws. The pink hot toc can be a lot of fun.


Su Van Hanh, starting at block 600's from 3 Thang 2 street going North, about half mile long, with its various alleys, has the highest concentration of Karaoke, HTGDs and short-time hotels in HCMC. The large karaoke joints were all packed with dozens motorbikes in the afternoon. WTF?

This street is easy to find, apparently safe day or night, with lots of retail businesses and good lighting. There are lots of girls and fun to be had all conveniently concentrated in this area, unlike other districts like Tan Binh, Phu Nhuan or Binh Thanh, where the actions spread out widely and difficult to find. The bros should do the same exploration of this red light district and report any significant details like Asian Lover Oz did.

It's fun to shop this street, sticking your head into these HTGDs to check out the young girls on display behind the front glass doors, and ask for full service. The 2 most likely to have FS would be either Kieu Anh or Tina at 718, then a few doors North are the famous boom boom hotels Cali and Dung Hanh at 732. I suspect a lot of the internet call girls sit around in the HTGDs, ready to go to the hotels nearby on calls.

You can also sit in the lobbies of hotels Cali and Dung Hanh and wait for the girls. There are usually girls waiting in the lobbies or go in and out. The reception guys and girls at these 2 hotels are young, cool and polite. They know what these guys and girls do in their hotels. They charge 50 K VnD ($4) for the first hour, but did not ask for more when I exceeded to hour and a half. Hotel Dung Hanh only charges 200 K VnD ($8) a day; Hotel Cathy on LHP charges 400 K VnD ($16). Their rooms are large, bright, airy with A / see, clean showers and 2 queen beds, very good values. There are plenty of food places on this street, but most close dafter 10 PM. I would probably rent a all day room here for dates with the girls.

I have a short list of about 20 best-looking girls which I selected and kept from the 120 or so listed in district 10. I deleted any girls whose looks and attitudes pissed me off. Most work in hotels on Su Van Hanh or LE Hong Phong, 1 block North. The 700 block of LE Hong Phong has a dozen cheap hotels along a quarter mile stretch, some cater to visitors to the huge pagoda across the street. WTF?

Any bro planning to visit this red light district should PM me for that select list. I just hope the local party bosses is well paid on time with plenty of free samples, so they won't nuke this red light village. .

[LukeSkywalker]

The 2 hot tocs next to each other, Kieu Anh and Tina, have 6 to 8 girls each. They all sit behind the glass door, displaying their assets.

Following your excellent example, the bros should rent a room at these red light hotels and search for their future in-laws. Hehe.


I know where all these places are, I walk by every day when I visit my in-laws. The pink hot toc can be a lot of fun.

[LukeSkywalker]

There are many bars, cafes and clubs on Bui Vien, De Tham and Do Quang Dau where you can hang out and pick up girls for all nights. Try the Apocalypse Now.

The WECHAT girls would do all nights for 1 M to 1. 5 M VnD ($40 to 60), but they all use fake pics and most are not good-looking.

Here are the internet girls whom I tried. They are prettier, but all in hotels in D10, about $4 taxi ride from D1. I filtered the internet girls down to about 12 who are younger, prettier, nice and sweet in my list. You can also hang out in the fuck hotels in the 10 and wait for the girls to walk in and out. They are not on display in hotels.

For internrt girls. You would text them to ask which hotels they work in (them o dau? Where are you? They will text back name and address of the hotel.

And what time (May gio? What time?) They usually start work after noon. Some will take appointments in the morning but won't show.

Or you can give them your preferred time (2 gio 30 OK? 2:30 OK?

They would text back the hotel address and the time. Program the Uber ride and get to the hotel at appointment time and text them again to confirm before renting the ST room. They will ask you for room number. Rent the room then text them the number.

For hotel stay in D1 I would stay at this hotel at corner of De Tham and Pham Ngu Lao:

A25 Hotel.

Address: 274 Đ7873; Thám, Phạm Ngũ Lão, Hồ Chí Minh, Vietnam.

Fully Girls friendly, nice, clean, bright $23, as clean as any 4-star hotels, convenient right next to the back packers district with all the bars and restaurants 24/7. You can take girls in at any hour. This hotel is a chain with a few other locations nearby which also rent rooms out by the hour. Most tour offices and their tour buses work out of this corner so you can go on tours all over Vietnam, get picked up and dropped off quickly to save time to look for your honeys.

The couple guys at the reception desk speak English, know all these girls, and can call in girls for you. Tell them the size and price you want. Just be discreet with them and tip 50 K VnD for each referral after it works out. Reject if the girls are ugly!

[B Bardill]

Kieu Anh was my favorite before but too close to the house and won't do anymore if my sister-in-laws see me going in or out of there. My wife had a furniture business until she came back to the USA with me and her family is one of the more affluent in the area in the little gated area just past the hospital.


The 2 hot tocs next to each other, Kieu Anh and Tina, have 6 to 8 girls each. They all sit behind the glass door, displaying their assets.

Following your excellent example, the bros should rent a room at these red light hotels and search for their future in-laws. Hehe..

[Wander Luster]

Yeah great story with limited details. Blah blah blah. I'm calling bullish.Agreed! What is the point? No clue where he's talking about. Nothing about how he met them. Reads like a letter to playboy magazine.

[Wander Luster]

scale to indicate the level of efforts for these kind of plays, they call it notes (as in musical notation).

2 note = F**k after 2 dates. And so on.

The notes systems also proportional to the physical looks of the girl, the prettier ones are usually multi-notes.


Now you now some local lingo's.

Good luck!Nice job describing. VT is sooo different than other ASEAN countries. Just when I / we thought we understand all from thai / PH / Cambodia / Indonesia. Vietnam breaks all the P4 P "education" from these other countries.

I'm late 40's and in Saigon for 2 months as of about March 10. I've got the looks and personality, but my player days are not quite as strong as my early 30's in SEA!

[SadBoy1]

Hello folks,

It might sounds a bit odd, but does someone know where I can find Russians or westerns in HCMC except the backpackers area?

I'd love to share my experience after ward!

I did some swipe on tinder, seen lot of tourist / Russians but I was wondering where they hang out usually.

Thank you!Nha Trang and Phu Quoc are crawling with Russians.

[SadBoy1]

I would NOT consider HTGD or any WG as potential GF. I picked up my current GF, of all places, in a pagoda. She was there for praying and I was there to meet a friend. Waitress and supermarket girls are also safe bet. The night walking street Nguyen Hue also good places to meet girls. I also have had good conversations with female college-age students in 23/9 park near backpackers area (Pham Ngu Lao). Several are good potential for further development. Remember these are relationships that require some investment of time and attentions, but the rewards are well worth it.

The locals has a scale to indicate the level of efforts for these kind of plays, they call it notes (as in musical notation).

0 note = possible F**k on first date after a drink or dinner.

1 note = F**k on second date.

2 note = F**k after 2 dates. And so on.

The notes systems also proportional to the physical looks of the girl, the prettier ones are usually multi-notes.

They also called this the art of "chan rau" (farming vegetables), as in cultivation (chan), the boys are "nong dan" (farmers) and the girls are "rau" (vegetables).

Now you now some local lingo's.

Good luck!You can call it fishing too.

I share my experience here, I more active in SBF normally. I been to HCM for 2 years now on and off maybe once or twice a month I go there cause in BTW I fly to hk Taiwan etc.

So firstly I use apps like wechat beetalk zalo etc to add those girls, if they working ladies I normally won't reply, those that are just add for friend I will try to know them more. Then ask them out for cafe, which 7 out of 10 will come out, and you can see how they look like etc. I have limited or near to 0 tieng Viet so normally girls I get to meet will know English or aim uni girls, most of them know a bit of English.

So like fishing, first date out, come the 2nd date, I give them little gifts I bring with me during the trip and go dine etc, and it easy to become your "GF". Once "GF" they will ok to follow you back to your place and you know you score. Zalo will be a good app as it for Vietnamese and one of my ex GF is a model and I get to know from there 1. 75 m 36 D boobs 19 years old. But due to poor family force to get married 1 year later by family.

Viet GF I can say I been through a few, there really good one and really bad one, when they do start ask you for money or allowance, slowly you see the true colors.

[Wendella]

Nha Trang and Phu Quoc are crawling with Russians.You must mean tourists, right? I thought the guy was asking about whether there were Russian pros / working girls in those places.

I haven't been to either of those places in a few years but I really doubt there are Russian hookers available in either one.

I have seen them in Bangkok though, and I hear they are in Pattaya too.

[SadBoy1]

You must mean tourists, right? I thought the guy was asking about whether there were Russian pros / working girls in those places.

I haven't been to either of those places in a few years but I really doubt there are Russian hookers available in either one.

I have seen them in Bangkok though, and I hear they are in Pattaya too.Oh now there a trend in my school, as they have international students, some actually work park time as escort. My school have lots of Russians and Korean. Of course the price is not cheap.

[Wendella]

A certain someone here has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space.

[Ecchi]

Night 2. Point and Dmax.

Point is one of my favorite Korean-owned / run KTV. Very systematic. Expect to pay around $150 to 230 USD for a set depends on level of alcohol you choose. If you'the been to Room Salon in Korea, the system more or less very similar. You choose set based on alcohol and all the side dishes and mixer inclusive. As a matter of fact tip for mamasan and waiter also included. That makes it less awkward when you have waiter and his 5 other buddies show up end of night expecting tip and mamasan and her 1/2 other mamasan doing same thing.

Do keep in mind that despite being house rule, it won't be Vietnam if mamasan will have at least one girl in your party try to tell you to tip mamasan at end of the night. You can either ignore her, tell her it's already included in package or tell her to get Korean manager and you will pass tip through him.

Tip for girls are 400 k. Girls at Korean KTV aren't allowed to run rooms (and give up phone to mamasan also). Overall great SOP. At beginning during line-up, mamasan will tell you organise girls into short-time (2 million VND), long-time (3 million VND) and not go out. The biggest downside is that my hit rate is around 10%. Do keep in mind that I have very high standard (yes, I do date the so-called Vietnamese hot girls and models from time to time) so your mileage will probably be better than me.

Also, girls at Korean KTV will be less wild than Dmax (on par with 13 who tend to also be more reserved).

So it is with this night that we select our girls from smaller than usual line-up of 30 (Tet fallout. Less selection due to some several girls at hometown). At Point, it's so popular due to SOP that's unheard of in local counterpart that it tends to get 100% full on Thu / Fri / Sat. Normal time, you can see 50-80 in lineup.

The girl I chose was 22, be+ cup, nice pink nipples, white skin, curvey ass, face around 6/7 on my scale. She tried hard to get me to take her back but having tasted 7/8/9 at Dmax, my buddy (who's equally picky and had similar taste as me) and I decided that we will hit Dmax at 10 pm ish using same plan.

So around 10:30 pm we're off. Got to Dmax. Friggin waiters all wishing us Happy New Year despite nearly a week later. Hoping for that lucky money. Not falling for it. Asked for my papasan. Whisked off to room. My buddy asked for his second choice girl from previous night and picked one more as his habit.

I went through around 5 line-up (most would be considered top tier at other KTV joints including my previous one). And finally found myself an 8. Got great chemistry right away despite limited language. It helps that she found me appealing enough so I was able to freely roam her body and play around short of my finger inside her pussy as well as some French kissing. Around midnight we asked for bill. Told my girl to go change (without even asking "do you want to come to my place tonight" She and my buddy's girl went and changed into their civies. My friend girl was the one that told me the price of 3 million VND. Agreed right away although next morning asked for 500 k VND more for tip. It's funny but girls at 166/ Dmax like to think that tip for their service in-room is separate from their outcall. Oh well.

Sex was great. Very GFE. Great body to go with that gorgeous face. She has one of those HK actress type face. Very white flawless skin, north asian look but with large eyes, surprisingly high non plastic surgery nose, long eyebrow. A lot of spit swapping during our heated sex session. Wasn't in a hurry back at the place so that was great.

In all, Dmax will likely put a dent on my monthly mongering budget for sure. But damn it where else can you get the 8/9.even a 10?

[Ecchi]

Night 1. Damax.

I'm a big advocate of Korean-owed / run KTV. So it's a surprise to myself that I even write favourable report on Dmax, a local tier 1 KTV. The top 3 karaoke in Saigon in term of quality of girls are 166, Dmax, and 13. Of the three, 13 is top in term of girls quality and THE place for VN movers / shakers. Girls there are completely spoiled and top ones hold out for mid-longterm payday (sponsorship). And yes, do they get away with it sadly.

Was having dinner with my buddy (in term of both friendship and mongering. You know the saying about birds of a feather) when we decided on the cuff that we want to hit karaoke. We planned to do it tomorrow but decided to do a little recon / window shopping prior. First we hit Point, Korean-owned / run KTV. As we thought. Completely booked, it being Friday night. So we made booking for tomorrow. Walked over to Stocking. As expected selection of 20 was horror show. Full of 4/5/6. Curse both of us for being so spoiled and setting high standard for ourselves.

Note: My strategy for Dmax. Midnight seems to be shift change here (they have about 3 shift). So if you arrive early like my group did last time we visited (6:30 pm) and you found a girl you want to take home. You're assed out. 90% chance that girls won't come to your room at midnight even though they agree to. Detail on why in other post. But it just is. So my plan is to hit Dmax at 10-10:30 pm. This way, girl will leave with you as agreed. Either that or it's marathon wait until midnight.

Went over to Dmax. This is when it's game over. Window shopping plan off. 6/7/8/9 line-up. My buddy relented first as always. He chose a 7 with very nice see-cup natural rack. 2 line-up later he chose another 7. As customary, I being even more picky of the two held out. Finally on the 5th line-up I spotted a 9. 165 cm. Slim body. Beautiful face. 19 year old Great ass and be-cup tit that looks great on that slim body. White flawless skin. I could tell my buddy wanted to have 3 but I went first.

Got an 8 also from the 6th line-up because a 9 or higher, from my experience here /166/13.tend to more less interactive. And will likely hold out for big money to go home with you or not at all. So the 8 is my back-up. To my pleasant surprise, got tremendous chemistry with the 9.more than the 8! Again, it helps a lot to be of certain nationality and look as it seems to resonates well with VN girls.

Dmax seems to have a them outfit almost every night. Tonight 2 themes, school girl outfit or see through lace top. My 8 had school girl outfit and my 9 had this pink lace top that I can see her entire breast with pasty on her nipples. A lot of play time in room where I rubbed her pussy outside her g-string, play with that beautiful tits quite a bit with both hands, fingers, and mouth. In turn, she was playing with my little brother, nipples, etc.

Damage: We drink beer and Korean sake as it's cheaper. More importantly, whiskey here like many Vietnamese places are fake. We told them to remove all snacks from room save for fruits. Bill came out to 2 million VND. 200 k more tip for 1 waiter. 500 k tip to papasan. 500 k tip to girl if you don't take them home. My girl asked for 4 million VND for short time. Standard price here is 3-5 million for short time. My girl won't budge from 4 million. My friend gave in to his girl at 4 million so it's hard for me to go lower. At least mine was a 9. Sex at home was great and not hurried. Both girls actually watch movie at our place and eat and chat for a while before we actually did the deeds. The only downside with my girl is the smell. She's one of those girls who creamed a lot when she gets aroused. Unfortunately, the smells also come out when she creamed. No wonder she covered up that spot and won't let me DATY her although she gave me very sensual BBBJ.

[Try HardAussie]

Good day to you all.

I am curious to know if there is an upmarket massage / Spa type venue in HCMC and what the cost may be. Hopefully they would also provide at least a HJ or even BJ.

Thanks for sharing if it's possible.

THA.

[MutantChicken]

Good day to you all.

I am curious to know if there is an upmarket massage / Spa type venue in HCMC and what the cost may be. Hopefully they would also provide at least a HJ or even BJ.

Thanks for sharing if it's possible.

THA.Upmarket spa found in new world hotel (no HJ) cost 1.5 mill I believe, not sure if they request tips. There are other massage / spa that is clean and upmarket, its been reported so you can RTF to find specifics, cost is 250-500 k entry and a similar tip for the HJ depending on the type of room you choose and the negation skills, for me I would just get the basic room of 220 then tip 200 k for the HJ.

[Commonglass]

I'm in Saigon for a business trip. I'm staying at a nice hotel in District 1. There is plenty of club-type night life around the hotel, but only overpriced scams in terms of p4 p.

142 NPK.

Following the board's advice, I Ubered down to 142 npk. That transaction couldn't have been easier. Two men opened the door without words, there were a collection of beautiful women in the dimly lit lobby. I chose a very young and slender looker and she took me upstairs to a private room. She thoroughly (VERY thoroughly) washed my cock and balls and then went to business with her BBBJ. Very effective and workmanlike bobbing her head up and down on my cock until she got impatient and used her hands too much. Ultimately I had her lick my balls and finished myself off. Very satisfying actually, but I wish she had let me move her head back into position for CIM. She cleaned me up and asked for 500 k at the door. I said 400 k and she easily accepted. There was a motorbike taxi at the door and he took me back to my hotel for 50 k. Super easy transaction.

SkyWalker Lists and Online Girls.

HCMC is a very much non-English speaking city. That is a fact. And I speak ZERO Vietnamese. Saturday night, I used my local SIM card to contact some of the women on Skywalker's list. Not much response to my very basic English texts. So then I use some of LudwigVB's phrases. Still not much response. One of the ladies mentioned Hotel Dung Hanh at 730 SU VAn Hanh, so I Ubered there, got a room (70 k) and contacted her. No response. Eventually I texted all of the girls on the list and about 20 girls on the websites (thiendia, etc). Only two responded. One texted:

"Sory toi khong the den. Toi nghi roi. " Which Google translates as "Sory I can not whip den. Toi facilities. " Who the fuck knows that that means??

Another one texted:

"Mai gap a nhe, mai 11 e di lam, mai DT e lai nha," Which Google translates as "Mai gap a bared, mai 11 e di lam, hybrid e mai nha DT" Again. What the fuck does that mean??

So, I left the room and wandered around the short time hotels on SU VAn Hanh. Occasionally I would see some hottie arriving on a motorbike and disappearing inside. Between the many civilians hitting the local restaurants and the karaoke bars, I didn't see any opportunities for pulling someone off the street. And NO ONE spoke anything close to English. Maybe I spent about two hours like this feeling like the biggest loser in HCMC. To make matters worse, getting an Uber in that part of town is tough!

Hotel Massage.

Next door to my fancy hotel is a massage place with pretty ladies in front. I accepted the offer for a massage from a easy 8 with truly great breasts. 350 k. Only 15 minutes into the massage, she is pushing hard for a BJ / HJ for 2 million. I laugh and say no, but she spends the next 30 minutes harassing me about it. Very bad massage. Finally, we get down to 800 k and I want a release so I take it. CBJ with HJ finish for 800 k. Bad call on my part, I know.

[Soilord]

One texted:

"Sory toi khong the den. Toi nghi roi. " Which Google translates as "Sory I can not whip den. Toi facilities. " Who the fuck knows that that means??

Another one texted:

"Mai gap a nhe, mai 11 e di lam, mai DT e lai nha," Which Google translates as "Mai gap a bared, mai 11 e di lam, hybrid e mai nha DT" Again. What the fuck does that mean??"Sorry, I can't come, I'm off work already".

"Meet you tomorrow, OK? Tomorrow I start work at 11 am, call me back tomorrow".

Google Translate isn't very useful for text messages in Vietnamese. People abbreviate almost everything, and don't use full sentences.

[LukeSkywalker]

Wow. Thanks for the translation.

The girls use lots of abbreviation in text messages. It's very confusing for Google translate. I had to guess a lot what they mean.

Looks like the girls do want to do business with foreigners. As they have more contacts with English-speaking guys, communication should improve.

In a pinch a few bros have given their phone to the hotel staff to help and got to the girls they wanted.


"Sorry, I can't come, I'm off work already".

"Meet you tomorrow, OK? Tomorrow I start work at 11 am, call me back tomorrow".

Google Translate isn't very useful for text messages in Vietnamese. People abbreviate almost everything, and don't use full sentences.

[EternalDarknes]

Night 1. Damax.

I'm a big advocate of Korean-owed / run KTV. So it's a surprise to myself that I even write favourable report on Dmax, a local tier 1 KTV. The top 3 karaoke in Saigon in term of quality of girls are 166, Dmax, and 13. Of the three, 13 is top in term of girls quality and THE place for VN movers / shakers. Girls there are completely spoiled and top ones hold out for mid-longterm payday (sponsorship). And yes, do they get away with it sadly.

Was having dinner with my buddy (in term of both friendship and mongering. You know the saying about birds of a feather) when we decided on the cuff that we want to hit karaoke. We planned to do it tomorrow but decided to do a little recon / window shopping prior. First we hit Point, Korean-owned / run KTV. As we thought. Completely booked, it being Friday night. So we made booking for tomorrow. Walked over to Stocking. As expected selection of 20 was horror show. Full of 4/5/6. Curse both of us for being so spoiled and setting high standard for ourselves.

Note: My strategy for Dmax. Midnight seems to be shift change here (they have about 3 shift). So if you arrive early like my group did last time we visited (6:30 pm) and you found a girl you want to take home. You're assed out. 90% chance that girls won't come to your room at midnight even though they agree to. Detail on why in other post. But it just is. So my plan is to hit Dmax at 10-10:30 pm. This way, girl will leave with you as agreed. Either that or it's marathon wait until midnight.

Went over to Dmax. This is when it's game over. Window shopping plan off. 6/7/8/9 line-up. My buddy relented first as always. He chose a 7 with very nice see-cup natural rack. 2 line-up later he chose another 7. As customary, I being even more picky of the two held out. Finally on the 5th line-up I spotted a 9. 165 cm. Slim body. Beautiful face. 19 year old Great ass and be-cup tit that looks great on that slim body. White flawless skin. I could tell my buddy wanted to have 3 but I went first..Tried to go to Karaoke based on your recommendations as I want to try ones that are 8-9. Walked to 166 at Nguyen Bieu but looks like a run down hotel. Did not see any sign for Karaoke but did see some taxi outside. Cause there was no inviting atmosphere, got into a taxi and went to DMax.

Went to DMax at around 11:20 am. Front sign was not on and street looks empty. Still open and brought me to 5th floor.

Tip waiter 100 k after he brought in my fruit tray. Drank some Corona while waiting.

Papa san Brought in 3 girls. One was a 6 with B / C cup, a 6.5 with B/ C cup and a 7.5 to 8 with B Cup.

Since it's my first time doing KTV, I asked for the 7.5 girl and the 6.5 girl to stay. Suckered to keep the 6 also because she's a friend of the 7.5.

Nice atmosphere but filled with smoking from previous time. Talked with the girls, one was not as talkative. I spent most of my time with the 7.5. Stayed for an hour and sent the other 2 home with 500 k tip each. 7.5 girl told me 6 mil total including cost to the house for short time. Since I'm still new, agreed with her without confirmation.

Payed the bill of 1.5 mil, tip 500 k to papasan and another 100 k to waiter to clean up.

Went to nearby hotel (did not want to disclose where I'm staying) and paid 1 mil for short time. BBBJ and multiple positions. After it was done, she asked me for 6 Mil. Told her that she told me 6 mil including paying the house. She played the ignorance card and asked for more money. Gave her around 5 mil cause I told her that's all I got and cause she kept on asking and told me to go to bank. Told her that's all I got and need some money for taxi home. (I hid another mil in another pocket).

Total damage of around: tips waiter = 200 k; tip 2 girls that I did not take to hotel 1 mil; tip papasan 500 k, food / room 1.54 mil + 5 mil for girl = 8.2 mil.

Pros: Girl's hot and hard to find such quality (want to see if there are 8.5-9's).

Cons: 8.2 mil seem steep. I know that she knows what's she's talking about.

P.S. Ecchi, can you tell me where Karaoke 13 is (where you said the quality is better); Is 166 still open and it just look rundown but better inside?

Thanks.

[MutantChicken]

Total damage of around: tips waiter = 200 k; tip 2 girls that I did not take to hotel 1 mil; tip papasan 500 k, food / room 1.54 mil + 5 mil for girl = 8.2 mil.

Pros: Girl's hot and hard to find such quality (want to see if there are 8.5-9's).

Cons: 8.2 mil seem steep. I know that she knows what's she's talking about.

P.S. Ecchi, can you tell me where Karaoke 13 is (where you said the quality is better); Is 166 still open and it just look rundown but better inside?

Thanks.You are paying far too much and your easy accepting nature they will just show you the "dogs", they keep the good girls for the choosy guys. 3-4 mill for a 8-9/10 would be more the norm. A 7.5 and you paid 6 mill in total?

[JD468]

7.5 girl told me 6 mil total including cost to the house for short time. Since I'm still new, agreed with her without confirmation.

Total damage of around: tips waiter = 200 k; tip 2 girls that I did not take to hotel 1 mil; tip papasan 500 k, food / room 1.54 mil + 5 mil for girl = 8.2 mil.
8. 2 mil for 1 shot with a 7. 5 girl?

That is not mongering, that is madness.

[MutantChicken]

8. 2 mil for 1 shot with a 7. 5 girl?

That is not mongering, that is madness.For 8 mill you can get 8-10 different girls for ST that are 7-8's so yeah madness indeed.

[Wendella]

Cons: 8.2 mil seem steep. I know that she knows what's she's talking about.

P.S. Ecchi, can you tell me where Karaoke 13 is (where you said the quality is better); Is 166 still open and it just look rundown but better inside?
Seems steep? Whoa. And now you're looking for an even more expensive place? ;.).

FYI, 166 should be ok. Most of the D5 bia oms / karaokes look shabby like that. If that bothers you and you want a place that's spiffier (trying to stick with my old man vocab here) you might try Fortune at 700 Tran Hung Dao.

[ImTedKoppel]

Thank you for all those who provided info for Hai Yen and China. It made it much easier for me. Again, I'm Asian not Anglo if that makes any difference. I've been to other countries where foreigners have a much harder time getting serviced.

I scouted out the area a few days ago when I went to Minh Minh Tam down the street, however it was late that night past 11:30 and China was closed but Hai Yen appeared open, but I didn't investigate too much. I just scoped out the surroundings.

Today I took a taxi there and asked to be dropped off across the street. I took a couple of pics with my phone. I'll post them.

I walked across the street and a lady selling from a cart if I was looking for pussy, by slapping her palm against her other hand shaped like a hole. I said no and walked on. I could see red dresses through China's window but my destination was Hai Yen.

I walked in and immediately they asked me if I wanted massage. They motioned to me to choose a certain girl and I said wait. I took my time to survey the room before choosing a girl. They had maybe 8-10 girls of all shapes and sizes. I choose tall skinny one with slightly rounded chin. I eyed another girl with very Viet facial features in black but ultimately I passed and took my first choice.

They told me upfront 1.3 mil. I said OK and followed the girl who didn't speak a lick of English. I went in and she started talking left and came back. Then an English speaking male attendant came in to confirm that I wasted boom boom vs. Massage and that it would cost 1. 3 mil. I said boom. Boom.

She comes back in a few minutes and asks me to disrobe and shower. I kind of wish she would shower me but oh well. I showered and she asked boom boom again? What I really wanted was massage plus boom boom. Anyways. It didn't work out with the communication and it went straight to her pulling down her top and pulling up her skirt and taking off panties. I didn't really mind that she wasn't fully naked and others have reported the same. The girl was a little sincerity didn't speak English but I like that in a WG.

She had really nice soft and tender breasts. Areola the size of half dollars and tiny tender nipples. She did some dick sucking ball licking and then spread my legs and butt for rimming. I've never had that done. It was awesome. Also forgot I wanted her to turn the main light back on but she didn't want too. I like to look at the girl, but I suppose mist girls don't want to look at the trick. She got on top and the boom boom started. She was quite eager. I put her on her back and wanted to play with her pussy but she refused. A couple positions later it was time to cum. Her moaning throughout was pretty good. Almost convincing. I came cleaned me up then I showered. She serviced me great. I told she was pretty them diep Lam and asked her for pic and said no. I didn't want to offer her a tip and offend her. She was such a nice gal to me. BTW I asked how old she was and she said she was 23. She said her name was Thuy but I think half the working girls out their say their name is Thuy. The girl I had the other night at Minh Minh Tam said her name was Thuy while her name tag said something else.

We went back downstairs and I paid the girl behind the counter. After taking my money she was about to hand a portion out to my girl then realized that the customer was still there and pulled back. Didn't see the amount portioned out to her.

She told me to come again. And I smiled. I'm tempted to come again tonight.

I hung around a little bit more and chatted a little more. All the girls were doing embroidery. I snuck in my camera and took some secret pics of the lobby. But I don't know the protocol of this forum. I can certainly post it if it's OK.

Compared this to Minh Minh Tam I liked MMT experience better. It was much more sensual. I'm kind of really out of it tonight, but if I feel better I might hit either MMT again or Minh Tam 2. I really like the whole massage experience.

Overall I feel WG in Vietnam are head over heals compared to Korean RLD and HK 141 walk-ups.

Also BTW, I walked into China afterwards. Half the girls were sleeping or texting in their barber chairs full reclined. If a customer walk in they should present themselves. They didn't even bat an eye. The girls at HY were much better looking. Most of the girls at China were on the chubby side. I've pics of both Establishments if it's OK to post them.

Never mind about posting pics. The forum doesn't allow attachments from phone. Will post pics some other day.

[MutantChicken]

A different styled Report, I normally go to local places so I thought I would waste some money and go to a Korean run KTV, I went to one called Stocking, as expected from the name, the theme of the KTV is that all the girls wear stockings as part of their uniform.

Cost is 150 USD for the room, this include the mommy tip, and for that you get choice of 25 beers, or 1 whiskey + 5 beers or 1 shochu + 5 beers. Girls tips are 400 k, if you play with the girl and rip her stockings that's charged at 100 k. Girl quality is ok 6-7. 5. playability is OK, some kissing and breast fondling. Cannot access pussy unless rip stocking, as I was there just for research, I didn't try, I asked about take out and its 2 mil St 3 mil LT, clearly some girls will charge more if you cannot bargain, but I didn't partake. Overall its not bad, girls can speak a bit more English than local places, you paying prob about 1-1.5 m extra for your room and drinks. Girls quality prob the same but the room quality is better than local places.

[Klmlbt6]

Hey all,

Since there isn't a general forum on Asia, I hope it is alright to ask this here. I need to go on a visa run, and was told it is easier to come back via the airport rather than through the border checkpoint. My question is, what is the best bang for the buck destination if you want to have some fun while on a visa run? Myanmar, Philippines, Bali, and many others are all around $220 for a round trip ticket. Bangkok is about $100, but been there, done that. So where would you go, and why?

[SteelBaton]

From where are you coming?

Personally, I would go to Jakarta. I've never been but from what I've read it has lots of beautiful girl options, good prices.

* HCMC is is nice place to visit as a tourist with great food, bars, etc. But the P4P scene is not very easy to play in my experience. The prices are $30-$70 for ST but finding quality girls is a real hassle. The bar scene has dried up so you have to hook up with possible girls via the Internet which means lots of fake photos and language and hotel hassles. Defiantly not much GFE, although some of the girls are pretty good looking. It's easy to connect with the WeChat girls but the photo are always fake and the service usually rushed and cold.

* Manilla / AC: cheap, tons of girls, easy to play, lots more GFE, English widely spoken, but in my experience 90% are MILFs. So if you ain't picky and don't mind your girls, older, chunkier, and often with some stretch marks, it might be a great place. I only want 18-22 year olds with slim bodies and no kids, so I don't really like the Philippines.

* Cambodia: might be a good option. Phnom Pehn used to have tons of young single ladies at very good prices. From what I great they are still there an available in the bars for take out. Angkor what is amazing, but don't expect to find P4 P that is very good there near Siem Reap. Prices are still reasonable and hotels cheap.

* Hong Kong: tons of truly beautiful Chinese girls, very easy to access, good service, not much GFE but sometimes you get lucky. But price for the top notch "Hotel Girls" is $115/45 minutes. Or you can try the 141 walk-ups for half that price, but the girls are mostly local HK ladies and are older and not as attractive, some GFE. The PRC 141 Hotel Girls are among the hottest in Asia. See a few pics below. Hotels are also expensive, so if you're short on coin, it's probably not the place for you.

* Macau: great options there with the saunas. Hot girls. But not cheap.

* Myanmar: many girls at bars, but expensive ($80-$100) due to the Korean businessmen. Hotels are expensive as well. Some GFE. (Watch out for HIV) Not much else to do there during the day, Yangon is still pretty run down.


In conclusion, I'd say that Saigon is an OK destination, but there are better options: if you want cheaper and easier to access then try AC, if you want higher quality try HK / Macau. Cambodia might also be a contender. But, I'd be going to Jakata.


FYI Here are some Hong Kong photos. The eyes and facial skin tones have all been photoshopped, but the bodies are pretty accurate. I've fucked each of these are can vouch for that. They are all very attractive 18-20 year old girls.


Hey all,

Since there isn't a general forum on Asia, I hope it is alright to ask this here. I need to go on a visa run, and was told it is easier to come back via the airport rather than through the border checkpoint. My question is, what is the best bang for the buck destination if you want to have some fun while on a visa run? Myanmar, Philippines, Bali, and many others are all around $220 for a round trip ticket. Bangkok is about $100, but been there, done that. So where would you go, and why?

[BruceTea]

From where are you coming?Holy crap, I'm in 100% agreement with your observations. Esp in HCM city. I was there for a few weeks on business and played quite a bit. Or tried to at least. I don't speak Vietnamese so language was a problem.

But I had a good monger guide (LOL) but even so, the fun wasn't there. I did screw, but I totally agree with all your observations.

Did you try the chicken farms? It's like a BJ in a shack. LOL. Man, that was weird.

[Pita123]

Hey all,

Since there isn't a general forum on Asia, I hope it is alright to ask this here. I need to go on a visa run, and was told it is easier to come back via the airport rather than through the border checkpoint. My question is, what is the best bang for the buck destination if you want to have some fun while on a visa run? Myanmar, Philippines, Bali, and many others are all around $220 for a round trip ticket. Bangkok is about $100, but been there, done that. So where would you go, and why?Jakarta without a question. It makes Bangkok look like the Vatican City. Classic and Terminal packed with SYT for $27 and a duo for under $40. Street with bars where Top Gun is. More refined atmosphere at Bats at the ShangriLa, more refined at the Mulia. High end spa atmosphere at Alexis. Hit the discos for fun. Indonesia Cupid site with plenty of nice girls. The women are still curious and not jaded. Hotels are GF. Do your reading so you don't get rolled in a taxi. Use Uber, WeChat, Badoo and Skout. But run, don't walk, to Jakarta.

[Lord Pap]

Hi,

1. Does HCM have places where there is a large selection of girls you can take with you.

2. Does the Majestic Hotel allow girls (Girl Friendly)?

Thanks,

Lord

[JamesOcla]

A different styled Report, I normally go to local places so I thought I would waste some money and go to a Korean run KTV, I went to one called Stocking, as expected from the name, the theme of the KTV is that all the girls wear stockings as part of their uniform.

Cost is 150 USD for the room, this include the mommy tip, and for that you get choice of 25 beers, or 1 whiskey + 5 beers or 1 shochu + 5 beers. Girls tips are 400 k, if you play with the girl and rip her stockings that's charged at 100 k. Girl quality is ok 6-7. 5. playability is OK, some kissing and breast fondling. Cannot access pussy unless rip stocking, as I was there just for research, I didn't try, I asked about take out and its 2 mil St 3 mil LT, clearly some girls will charge more if you cannot bargain, but I didn't partake. Overall its not bad, girls can speak a bit more English than local places, you paying prob about 1-1.5 m extra for your room and drinks. Girls quality prob the same but the room quality is better than local places.Nice report. Keep researching maybe we research one together.

So when you ST or LT a girl from the KTV, do you FS them there on the premises or you take them back to your place?

Thanks again for all the wonderful info. You guys are all badass.

[MutantChicken]

Nice report. Keep researching maybe we research one together.

So when you ST or LT a girl from the KTV, do you FS them there on the premises or you take them back to your place?

Thanks again for all the wonderful info. You guys are all badass.Generally you take them back to your hotel, there are places (Rare) that you can FS on premises but the facilities dodgy and the girls willing to do that usually the less attractive ones due to risk of being busted on a raid by vice squad.

[MikeLo666]

Hi all,

First of all thanks for all the posts they're really helpful.

So here's a quick question: is there any convenient ways I could buy Cialis / Viagra or generic stuff in HCMC? I did a quick search on the forum but latest posts about this subject I can find was posted a few years ago. Wondering if things are still the same? Or better yet if you guys have any recommended pharmacy?

Thanks.

[Sharka]

I'm close to retiring and have just started my search for places to spend my time during retirement.

Of course, many factors involved but my main 4 factors must include.

1) low cost of living as my fixed retirement money will be limited once my paycheck stops.

2) available mongering options to keep me happy during extended free time.

3) safe location.

4) good medical at a price I could afford.

Note: I'm single and don't have kids or family to limit my actions or places to move to.

So only limitation is a fixed limited retirement income.

Also, although mongering is important on my list, it does NOT have to be an everyday activity. (Although that's not a bad thought either if I could afford that).

I'm not a young buck anymore so having action about 2 times a week is ok.

So far, I've looked at.

BKK (too expensive for both rent and pussy for my budget).

Pattaya- an option on the table as rent is cheap enough and lots of pussy around (but pussy not cheap there and there is a language barrier).

Angeles. English spoken so no problem there, pussy and rent is reasonable. But Angeles city is a shithole though so not sure for long term living. Could quickly run out of places or things to do outside of mongering.

Manila- stayed there few times but don't really like the city so off my list for now. Also pussy not cheap there.

Georgetown, Penang- had consider this an option as its always listed on many retirement mags as top 10 places to retire, good medical, good weather, English spoken, safe, cheap living expenses. Only downside is very limited mongering options and this is an important issue for me if I had to live there longterm. I've not been there yet so still doing preliminary search there.

Singapore- love the city, has everything but can't afford to live there. Visit yes, live no, way out of my budget.

Based on my calculated retirement income, fixed amount about $21,000 a year before having to tap into retirement savings.

Main reason I need to move to inexpensive location as I would not be able to live a decent live in my own country with only $21,000 a year for even the basics such as rent, food, transportation, utilities, cable, phone etc etc.

If Vietnam is not a good option both living cost or monger wise, I'm open to more suggestions as I will do a research on them. I figure I have about 2 yrs before actually making the final move.

Thanks for any feedback.

Feel free to PM me instead.

Sharka.

[NguyetLang]

I'm close to retiring and have just started my search for places to spend my time during retirement.

Of course, many factors involved but my main 4 factors must include.

1) low cost of living as my fixed retirement money will be limited once my paycheck stops.

2) available mongering options to keep me happy during extended free time.

3) safe location.

4) good medical at a price I could afford.

Note: I'm single and don't have kids or family to limit my actions or places to move to.

So only limitation is a fixed limited retirement income.

Also, although mongering is important on my list, it does NOT have to be an everyday activity. (Although that's not a bad thought either if I could afford that).

I'm not a young buck anymore so having action about 2 times a week is ok.

Based on my calculated retirement income, fixed amount about $21,000 a year before having to tap into retirement savings.

Main reason I need to move to inexpensive location as I would not be able to live a decent live in my own country with only $21,000 a year for even the basics such as rent, food, transportation, utilities, cable, phone etc etc.

If Vietnam is not a good option both living cost or monger wise, I'm open to more suggestions as I will do a research on them. I figure I have about 2 yrs before actually making the final move.

Thanks for any feedback.

Feel free to PM me instead.

Sharka.You can have most of things on the list with Vietnam. The only draw back is that English speaking is still limited to certain small areas in big cities. You can get by without learning local language with everything except mongering. You get the best experience if you can learn a little bit Vietnamese. Most Vietnamese will be tickled pink if you show just a tiny bit attempt to speak their language. Even the WG will give you better service for that.

Below are some articles I am also researching. I am particular to Vung Tau because I had good experience there. Many hotel have in-house massage parlor with FS. The mongering scene in VT is somewhat muted and look quiet on the surface, but everything is available, but you must get to know the place and speak the language, if you don't then try to find a friend, or a trusted tour guide. Not like BKK where you can drop in on a weekend and have fun.

I used to like Nha Trang a lot, even more than Vung Tau, then it got invaded by Russians and Chinese. If you don't ming rubbing with them, Nha Trang will also meet all your requirements, especially the mongering.

Danang and Phu Quoc Island are also up and coming. Dalat is best known high mountain resort town (similar to Chiang Mai) starting to develop somewhat of a mongering destination, mostly high price models hired and taken up by local bosses.

The cheapest and most abundant mongering is probably Ha Noi, with excursions to a beach town called Do Son. Think Pattaya with better looking girls that don't dance. But you do go into a hotel, and the get presented with a lineup, almost like a mix between Hong Kong and Pattaya. Vietnamese girls are typically quiet and reserved, not suitable for pole dancing or go-go style. Do Son is known among locals as WG capital, all same price, last year was 250 k, any girl, any place ST. This price is set by the local industry cartels, get updated once in a while.

http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/on-retirement/2014/03/18/retire-on-under-1-200-monthly-in-danang-vietnam

http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/on-retirement/2015/06/02/a-coastal-resort-retirement-for-1-000-monthly

Again, mongering in VN is plenty available, but the Vietnamese characters are way different than Thai and Philipines, if you expect bar scenes like BKK and Pattaya, you can be disappointed. Come with open mind, just enjoy the time and place, stay a while, develop some relationship, friends, and you may even get some freebies, some even come with room and board, not a bad deal at all.

Best of luck my friend.

Peter Nguyetlang.

[Sharka]

Thanks Peter for the great info.

Not sure if you are living there now but can you provide me what kind of prices you are paying for rent and food, utilities and everything needed for monthly expenses. Just needed an average amount so I could determine if I could survive on my retirement income.

Thanks.

[MutantChicken]

Thanks Peter for the great info.

Not sure if you are living there now but can you provide me what kind of prices you are paying for rent and food, utilities and everything needed for monthly expenses. Just needed an average amount so I could determine if I could survive on my retirement income.

Thanks.I say this, is it possible to live here on you budget yes, is it probable. Then no, firstly as a foreigner or non Viet speaker, you won't have access to cheap housing, even if you and a local were to go to the same house, you will be quoted a much higher inflated price, same with food, mongering and pretty much any service you require. So sure if you were to live in a local area surrounded by locals, buy and cook your own food, limit you activities to drinking at happy hour or drinking at cheap places, limiting your mongering, because you won't know or can't access to cheap options then sure you could do, but I would think start on a budget of 2 k a month if you to even begin considering it, if you think BBK and manila are out of your price, then factoring the foreigner pricing in Vietnam the prices would be the same, what Nguyetlang said is fairly accurate, BUT he is saying thing from the perspective of a Vietnamese born foreigner, who speaks, reads and writes Vietnamese fluently, so its possible for him to get local pricing. For you that would be impossible.

[NguyetLang]

Thanks Peter for the great info.

Not sure if you are living there now but can you provide me what kind of prices you are paying for rent and food, utilities and everything needed for monthly expenses. Just needed an average amount so I could determine if I could survive on my retirement income.

Thanks.I am not living there at the moment, and don't plan to either. But several months out of the year would be my choice, the rest of the year will be for other locales. The whole Southeast Asia has a lot to offer, each with its own charms, and cost of living are also cheap, may not be as cheap as VN but only slightly more expensive, tolerable.

The following give you and idea, there are many other articles on the web that put the living expense at less than $1000 USD per month, excluding the hobby in this forum.

http://www.nomadicnotes.com/travel-blog/cost-of-living-ho-chi-minh-city/

http://www.ourbigfattraveladventure.com/2015/01/04/whats-cost-living-vietnam/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heL4qkqEC9M

Try google "cost of living vietnam" you will find tons of information, more than I can give you. I tend to agree with the figure 1000-1200 USD per month.

Best of luck on your adventures.

Peter.

[Sharka]

I say this, is it possible to live here on you budget yes, is it probable. Then no, firstly as a foreigner or non Viet speaker, you won't have access to cheap housing, even if you and a local were to go to the same house, you will be quoted a much higher inflated price, same with food, mongering and pretty much any service you require. So sure if you were to live in a local area surrounded by locals, buy and cook your own food, limit you activities to drinking at happy hour or drinking at cheap places, limiting your mongering, because you won't know or can't access to cheap options then sure you could do, but I would think start on a budget of 2 k a month if you to even begin considering it, if you think BBK and manila are out of your price, then factoring the foreigner pricing in Vietnam the prices would be the same, what Nguyetlang said is fairly accurate, BUT he is saying thing from the perspective of a Vietnamese born foreigner, who speaks, reads and writes Vietnamese fluently, so its possible for him to get local pricing. For you that would be impossible.Bummer,

Thanks for the honest reply as this was what I was looking for as you are there and know the in and outs.

Not to say the online sites for foreigners and their prices are inaccurate but hearing it from a fellow monger goes a long way as we share more common thoughts and needs.

[Sharka]

I am not living there at the moment, and don't plan to either. But several months out of the year would be my choice, the rest of the year will be for other locales. The whole Southeast Asia has a lot to offer, each with its own charms, and cost of living are also cheap, may not be as cheap as VN but only slightly more expensive, tolerable.

The following give you and idea, there are many other articles on the web that put the living expense at less than $1000 USD per month, excluding the hobby in this forum.

http://www.nomadicnotes.com/travel-blog/cost-of-living-ho-chi-minh-city/

http://www.ourbigfattraveladventure.com/2015/01/04/whats-cost-living-vietnam/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heL4qkqEC9M

Try google "cost of living vietnam" you will find tons of information, more than I can give you. I tend to agree with the figure 1000-1200 USD per month.

Best of luck on your adventures.

Peter.Thanks Peter,

Will look at the sites to get a better feel for prices.

Feel free to post more thoughts.

Sharka.

[Sharka]

Hi Mutant Chicken.

Just curious, if you were in my situation (retiring non Viet speaking foreigner) on a limited fix income, what locations would you consider as a monger.

PM me if you wish.

Thanks.

Hmm, always wanted to ask you how did you come up with your title?

[JD468]

I would think start on a budget of 2 k a month if you to even begin considering itI completely agree with the $2,000 absolute minimum. Yes you could live on less, but it would not be much fun doing so. Even 2 k is scraping through with not much left to monger. If I were you I would go to PP Cambodia.

[MutantChicken]

Just tried this girls supposedly 23 but looks younger, DATY, kissing, many positions DT BBBJ, P.S. Don't pm just asking me her details expecting a handout. Go look for her yourself, or we can swap intel on girls. Enough info is out there that guys should be able to find girls, there should be no reason you shouldn't be able to exchange details of gems, too many guys either are keeping gems secret or just idle sitting back expecting others to field test so they can cherry pick the gems.

[Locamotive]

I've lived and worked in several cities in Asia over the past 5 years. Working in these these places gives you more time to see what's. What's instead if just being a tourist. As a matter of fact some girls even say "your not a tourist are you". Don't know what difference that makes, I guess some are looking for a real relationship.

OK back to topic: I'm working a few more years myself and being single I too am looking for a place over here to retire. With basically no family now going back to the western world as a older man would be very lonely. I'm in Vietnam now which is OK but for retiring I think the Philippines is hard to beat. I still go on my vacations go back over there. Its like a little piece of America in SE Asia. Girls are more friendly (more GFE experiences), easier to meet and cheaper. Nice malls good restaurants. All around I think the Philippines is cheaper than Vietnam as well. Everyone speaks English for the most part and the country is very Americanized (is that a word? Anyway if your a western man I think you will find it a better place for retirement. At least its my choice. I'm already shopping for a condo in the Makati area as there are allot of reconstruction projects under way.

[Sharka]

I completely agree with the $2,000 absolute minimum. Yes you could live on less, but it would not be much fun doing so. Even 2 k is scraping through with not much left to monger. If I were you I would go to PP Cambodia.I use to monger extensively in Cambodia going back over decade. Great place to monger back then but recently went back and prices are higher to almost Pattaya prices in some places and PI prices in most cases, so no longer the cheap mongering destination. Main reason I would not settle in Cambodia is the terrible medical and this will be more important as we age. Overall living expenses are fairly cheap if you excluded mongering cost.

[MutantChicken]

I use to monger extensively in Cambodia going back over decade. Great place to monger back then but recently went back and prices are higher to almost Pattaya prices in some places and PI prices in most cases, so no longer the cheap mongering destination. Main reason I would not settle in Cambodia is the terrible medical and this will be more important as we age. Overall living expenses are fairly cheap if you excluded mongering cost.Yeah what you say is exactly true, I wouldn't consider Cambodia due to health care, the monger prices in PP have become crazy due to all the one week millionaires and one time tourist paying whatever is asked, a mere 6 yrs ago I was paying a 5 dollar BF and 10 dollars ST, now guys are paying 10 bar fine and 3-50 usd St. So the problem is that once a place has been posted online and has become mainstream then prices become crazy. Thats the I won't be offering any insights as to where I would go myself. But what I can say is that, the location you choose isn't so much the issue, the issue is that u simply have too low a budget for what you are hoping for, further its seems you are unable or unwilling to find, the local places to monger, for example PP, I know and have been to local places where you can get girls comparable to the bar girls for 15 usd, rather than the 40-60 usd in the bars. Likewise in bkk, I have heard bit never been to places where you can still get girls for 500-1000 bht short time, I have however been to local places you can get ST 1500, LT 2000 bhy, the same can be said for Manila, Jakarta, etc etc, in I were in your shoes, I would find a way to be north of 2000 usd range, then find out ways to access the local scene of whatever city you decide, and your decision should be based on your dietary preferences, medical care, English ability etc etc. Only you can make a decision based on what your weighting of those criteria. The figure of 1-1500 is just to survive, look at the examples on the web and see how much entertainment is factored in their budgets, you can then read the thread and see what guys normally pay for monger eg in VN lets say is 1500 to survive, guys on avg paying 50 usd, you would prob want monger 2 x a week, so that's another 500, then include dating / entertaining, add another 300, then factor in medical you already at 2500 a month.

[Wander Luster]

Great stuff on here about P4 P in HCMC, but I was also determined to spend most of my time on Vietnam Cupid finding a GF.

Hope the below is informative, but I want other guys on here to understand that "traditional" here is like King Edward England. I've been floored by how this works. It means COURTING for 2-4 months for them. This is common for those 29. If younger, less so. If very early 20's, maybe not issue. But I'm 44. I was completely unprepared. This is a system so unlike US or Europe as to make "blue balls" sound like a day in the most heavenly park. There is to be no sharing of even a romantic thought until love is evident. Don't even compliment. Friends ONLY in this courting phase.

I love these woman. They are incredible. I do believe they'the be the best GFs in the world. But, I don't think the Edwardian courting will work for me. Not all are like this, but I was not prepared, so if you are here 2 weeks and want to "date" and also get laid, please consider.

After Pipelining (I think that's what the "players" call it when you prepare to hit ground via online dating) my 1st or second date was an 8 that was all over me after 4 beers on a Saturday 6-8 PM. She's great for a fuck-buddy, but not exactly my GF type. May not even work as "buddy" since she wants me as BF—I think I just got lucky finding her. All I talked to online are smart, uni grads, and are also career minded (which works to their DISadvantage here) which is the only I consider.

So, the other top 3 from VietCupid are more traditional. One is a 9 and we made out the first night (a lot of skype in advance). She's met Westerners through work but I really don't think she ever dated one. She's not the right catch though. Seems very high maintenance.

The other 2 are incredible GF material—I mean some of the most incredible GF material I could imagine. They have met VERY few westerners, but traditional doesn't even begin to describe them.

I've spent a good amount of time in Thailand and Indonesia. Think I "get" what a traditional girl is like there.

I've owned a company in Phils and spend over 2 years living there. There ARE traditional girls in PH. People say it's JUST easy. But, there are plenty of Catholic girls that won't kiss until 4th date.

Guys, it's all really quite simple—in most instances and most countries in SEA. The girls with no exposure to Western culture or the culture of the more wealthy Asian countries, are the ones who will have a "traditional" perspective that is more extreme. I think if you meet someone that hasn't hung out with men / women from these other countries. Forget it. Don't date them. Having said that, of course if you can find they had 1 "western" boyfriend. Not necessarily good.

[MutantChicken]

Last station bbbj cafe, pick one cutie SYT, she do bbbj very hardworking and willing to go for 69.
Damage: 150K ( 100K for bbbj include drinks + 50K surcharge for 69) :D

Note: The purpose for this post is to document what i saw in those local places.
Do not pm me on how to go there because I do not have the address and it is too far out in Kampung area..Today I struck gold. So after taking Pting to these local places a few days I ago I was quite interested in trying out the last girl Pting met.

I would say this first for the benefit for guys like Wendella who I gave leads to a BBBJCIM cafe om that charges 100 k all inclusive, there are 3 girls that Wendella and I are aware of trinh, chi and phuc, I would give all 3 a 6. 5, as they all have different strengths and weakness. Trinh is tall but tits is not firm, chi is young and innocent looking but also small and saggy tits. Phuc is not so tall and young but has nice firm perky breasts. Pting met chi as well.

Linh is the girl that Pting met in his own post I would give her a 6.7 IE (6.5-7) as she also young and innocent but she has a booty ass and nice firm young breast. Further she has a refreshing attitude young and chirpy. Linh has quite a hairy pussy and it was a bit dry, she didn't let me really deep finger her it may have been my fault as I keep my right hand and my nails there well trimmed as that's my fingering hand, my left hand well sometimes I neglect them and they can be at time a bit long. Linh unfortunately sat on my left so she kept on removing my hand placement. Nerveless as ping has mention she has a good attitude, give me a BBBJ mostly a little HJ, not so much deep throat, with a CIM option which I didn't take. So over all it was quite enjoyable a BBBJ from a 20 yr old fresh cute girls plus a drink for 110 k. Thats a bargain. There are also 2 other girls there that fit in that category.

On my way home prob 10-15 min away from that particular cafe Om I noticed a new massage shop, it had a sign for 180 k, I notice many SYT sitting in front so I went up and inquired and I was told 180 is the total inclusive price, I saw a 4-5 girls that I would rate 7-7.5. keep in mind (Wendella and Pting) I gave my fire and ice girl a rating of 7.5, possibly if you factor in her big breast, pink nipples and labia she would be a 7.7. So guys you can see these girls are pretty high quality.

Anyway I go in choose a slim 20 yr old named meow. She wouldn't give me her zalo, as this is my first meet, but after a few slapping type massage she went for the BJ. To be honest I went into this place BLIND not knowing whether its a BJ or a HJ place. But for a 180 k risk I don't mind. The service was very much like Linh (pting), good BBBJ some HJ, only prob was she didn't take down her shorts and I had to stick my hand past the front of her shorts and panties. But found a very hairless pussy. Further given she was prettier than Linh, it didn't take me long to cum for the second time within a space of 1 HR. I definitely will be going back to try the other 4 girls.

So guys go out and look for these places. Don't just sit back pm me for contacts as I won't be giving them away. As I spent my own time and money finding them myself. Why risk them being spoilt and why work for nothing. If you want to swap something in return then sure pm me. Also go out and look for yourself or go chat with locals, you will find more things than meet other clueless foreigners, you will be rewarded with the experience of having a 20 yr old 7.5 give you a BBBJ for a total of 12 Singapore dollars. Priceless.

[CityDweller]

Hello gents,

Thanks for all the excellent info here regarding the bar scene and AMP action. I had one question that I didn't see addressed anywhere. Does anyone have experience with getting at least an HR in the spa of an upscale (4 or 5 star) hotel? I have gotten offered extras in other SE Asian cities and wondering if that applies in Vietnam as well. I know for many of these women, these are very good jobs that they don't want to risk losing, but culturally it does seem more common in Asia because many local men expect it. Any thoughts here would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

[JD468]

Hello gents,

Thanks for all the excellent info here regarding the bar scene and AMP action. I had one question that I didn't see addressed anywhere. Does anyone have experience with getting at least an HR in the spa of an upscale (4 or 5 star) hotel? I have gotten offered extras in other SE Asian cities and wondering if that applies in Vietnam as well. I know for many of these women, these are very good jobs that they don't want to risk losing, but culturally it does seem more common in Asia because many local men expect it. Any thoughts here would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance!Forget about it, the chance is very very small. On the other hand, many massage places in 2 or 3 star hotels do offer extras.

[Lost99]

Don't just sit back pm me for contacts as I won't be giving them away. As I spent my own time and money finding them myself. Why risk them being spoilt and why work for nothing. If you want to swap something in return then sure pm me. ...Priceless.Well, it is obvious you are an Agent who 'charges' for your services. Is this your way of advertising? Priceless? Well for the $100 USD / day you ask, I'd much rather wander the streets than fall prey to your non-sensical pimping.

[Hardlock1]

Well, it is obvious you are an Agent who 'charges' for your services. Is this your way of advertising? Priceless? Well for the $100 USD / day you ask, I'd much rather wander the streets than fall prey to your non-sensical pimping.Lost, you and MC are beginning to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) people off, and I suspect one of them is Jackson. Knock it off. If you don't like MC, or his posts, then keep your mouth shut about them. We are not children to.

Led by either one of you. Let me say that again: We are all adults here, and can make our own decisions without you, or him, so please just stop it. You are more than redundant now, you are boorish.

As all hell.

Hardlock1.

I'm out.

[Lost99]

Lost, you and MC are beginning to **** people off, and I suspect one of them is Jackson. Knock it off. If you don't like MC, or his posts, then keep your mouth shut about them. We are not children to.

Led by either one of you. Let me say that again: We are all adults here, and can make our own decisions without you, or him, so please just stop it. You are more than redundant now, you are boorish.
.Adults receive information and make a logical rational decision based on it. Without this information a proper decision cannot be made. Maybe you don't appreciate this information, but surely others do.

There is a hidden motive / agenda behind his posts, and if you are too immature to see it, I am telling it to you now - it is FINANCIAL. If you don't like it, well, you are free to take your own advice, act like an "Adult" and ignore it.

Thanks for your input, although it is obsolete.

Cheers.

[LukeSkywalker]

I would be very careful dealing with nasty, shady drugs addicts trying to make money off prostitutes.

They can set up the johns for robberies, beatings, extortion, kidnaps. These pimps are greedy, unprincipled monsters who cannot be trusted or dealt with as humans.

There are no lower or more despicable beasts than stupid, nasty pimps.


Adults receive information and make a logical rational decision based on it. Without this information a proper decision cannot be made. Maybe you don't appreciate this information, but surely others do.

There is a hidden motive / agenda behind his posts, and if you are too immature to see it, I am telling it to you now - it is FINANCIAL. If you don't like it, well, you are free to take your own advice, act like an "Adult" and ignore it.

Thanks for your input, although it is obsolete.

Cheers.

[Sketchy]

Adults receive information and make a logical rational decision based on it. Without this information a proper decision cannot be made. Maybe you don't appreciate this information, but surely others do.

There is a hidden motive / agenda behind his posts, and if you are too immature to see it, I am telling it to you now - it is FINANCIAL. If you don't like it, well, you are free to take your own advice, act like an "Adult" and ignore it.

Thanks for your input, although it is obsolete.

Cheers.Your input is also obsolete.

As you know, MC has already announced his services in the classified ads thread, and anyone reading the Vietnam section here on a regular basis is familiar with him regardless of that. There is absolutely zero need for you to try to pick a fight with him and mess up all the Vietnam threads in the process.

Please post stuff like this in the Tom vs Hoian thread on SBF instead. Or even better, just ignore MC if he pisses you off that much.

[Ex In Nang]

I'll be in Saigon for a long weekend soon, and I already have 3 dates set up through dating sites or apps. But just in case I can't seal the deal with these "normal" girls. I was interested in some "specialty" services. Is there anywhere in Saigon where I can find non-Viet girls? I'm interested in collecting some more flags, and I've never been with a Korean or Japanese girl. I figure that's too much to hope for, but I'd be open to finding Thai or Indonesian girls as well. Any info on where to go?

[Lost99]

Your input is also obsolete.

As you know, MC has already announced his services in the classified ads thread, and anyone reading the Vietnam section here on a regular basis is familiar with him regardless of that. There is absolutely zero need for you to try to pick a fight with him and mess up all the Vietnam threads in the process.

Please post stuff like this in the Tom vs Hoian thread on SBF instead. Or even better, just ignore MC if he pisses you off that much.Well, feel free to ignore my informational post about devious methods if it bothers you. From my perspective, I am very happy you are responding to this post because it will remind new members of Mutant Chicken's unscrupulous and devious way.

Please, keep on replying and bringing this up. You are doing me a favor, and doing Mutant Chicken a DISSERVICE!

[Muse Fan]

Found this girl on a phone app. Actually someone uploaded her pics and they offered her services. Anal, BBBJ, ATM and CIM. Usually I try to stay away from people advertising on phone apps because I feel like I'm not going to get the same chick.

But I was quite curious to see what I would get. She was definitely the chick in the pics. 20 yrs old. Tits are nice. About 168 cm tall. And very kind.

Let me take pics. She charges 1. 7 mill and she'll come to your place. Just thought I would share. Anyone wants her ph number you can contact me.

Cheers.

[Pak Mike]

Found this girl on a phone app. Actually someone uploaded her pics and they offered her services. Anal, BBBJ, ATM and CIM. Usually I try to stay away from people advertising on phone apps because I feel like I'm not going to get the same chick.

But I was quite curious to see what I would get. She was definitely the chick in the pics. 20 yrs old. Tits are nice. About 168 cm tall. And very kind.

Let me take pics. She charges 1. 7 mill and she'll come to your place. Just thought I would share. Anyone wants her ph number you can contact me.

Cheers.Nice catch, looks like a cutey!

[Fuddzie]

I read that prostitution is illegal in Vietnam. This can mean many different definitions. What is allowed and not allowed? Needless to say, no children.

[RoseBowl]

Hello fellas,

Anyone live in HCMC? I am planning on relocating here next winter.

30 year old single white male. Not a monger per say, but have done P4P a few times in my life.

I visited Saigon a few years ago on a short trip. Didn't have a great time. Mostly because of getting scammed, the nightlife I checked out and me not getting laid.

While not good for a quick hook up with a normal girl, Vietnam is awesome for getting quality girlfriends.

Anyone here live in HCMC and have a VN GF or wife? Curious about your experiences and opinions.

Cheers

[RoseBowl]

Sorry, exclude my other post. Already asked that question on my previous handle. (Lost the name and login details).

Anyone here go to the beer gardens, beer clubs, etc? Seems they are much more popular than proper dance clubs.

Made the mistake of not researching them on my trip to Saigon. Waisted time and money on some way overpriced and empty clubs.

Some good ones I heard about are Kingdom Beer Bars, Vuvuzela Beer Clubs, and Poc Poc Beer Garden.

[NguyetLang]

I read that prostitution is illegal in Vietnam. This can mean many different definitions. What is allowed and not allowed? Needless to say, no children.In big cities like Saigon and Hanoi, it is not any more illegal than most city in the US, say Los Angeles or NY, Chicago. Sex between consenting adults are legal. The biggest difference is the people characters. The Vietnamese in general are friendly but reserved. They do NOT like noisy, rowdy bar scene. If you see those, they are mainly to please the western expats, and those who aspire after western life (mostly young Vietnamese). They are frown upon by the communist party because it is considered a threat to their hold of power. If you just go gently and quietly about your hobby, most will leave you alone enjoying your time in VN. Some may even help you realize your earthly desire.

Go softly and carry a big wad of cash, you shall find what you seek.

Being loud or noisy, you will find unwanted attention from loving, caring, morally upright communist neighbors. Above all, remember that Vietnam is still communist, NOT a free country.

Good luck, and enjoy Vietnam.

[Ex In Nang]

Hello fellas,

Anyone live in HCMC? I am planning on relocating here next winter.

30 year old single white male. Not a monger per say, but have done P4P a few times in my life.

I visited Saigon a few years ago on a short trip. Didn't have a great time. Mostly because of getting scammed, the nightlife I checked out and me not getting laid.

While not good for a quick hook up with a normal girl, Vietnam is awesome for getting quality girlfriends.

Anyone here live in HCMC and have a VN GF or wife? Curious about your experiences and opinions.

CheersDude,

Finding quick hook-ups in Saigon and Hanoi are both incredibly easy if you know how to play the game. As a 30 year old dude, you're in the golden zone for hooking up. You should read some PUA blogs which target Vietnamese girls.

Try these. Lots of great info. You'll never have to P2P.

https://charmingtraveler.net/

http://puaabroad.com/category/pua/

[Wendella]

Bars in the backpacker district with girls, cost 1. 5 million -- all near where Bui Vien meets Do Quang Do street. Expensive and very mixed in quality, but if you look hard you might find a good one. Someone said more girls come late (midnight and after) but I haven't checked that late.

Apocalypse Now disco on Thi Sach street. Price ranges from girl to girl but 1. 5ST is possible. Sharpen your bargaining skills.

Full service massage parlors in District 10 at 1. 3 million - 815 LE Hong Phong street is probably best one -- Hai Yen is the name. Others near there. Haven't tried myself yet but have heard good things. I hear it's busiest 5-11, so just before that probably best selection.

Nguyen Phi Khanh street in upper district 1 with lots of 'hot toc' salons offering BJ at 400 -- tried this recently, pretty good. Start at Vo Thi Sau and walk up this street, they're about half-way to the next big street. 8-10 of them.

Go 2 bar after about 2 am, upstairs, dance floor area. Many working girls come at that time (from Apocalypse and elsewhere). Not sure of current price but probably 1. 5 million or so. Corner of Bui Vien and De Tham street, backpacker district.

As you see, there's some very different types of venues here. Obviously there is more than this out there, but this is a pretty good place to pick something to start out with, for new people here.

[Ex In Nang]

So my trip to Saigon is coming to an end. And I thought I'd share a general report of how it went. Overall, it was a really lazy trip. I didn't want to go out to massage parlors, so I relied heavily on Wechat, Zalo, and setting things up in advance.

On my first day, I had to deal with a ton of problems with VN airlines. Flight was delayed, luggage got lost, etc, so I got to my hotel pretty late. I chose one of the nicer 4-star hotels in district 1. Not a good choice if you're planning to bring girls over late as they wouldn't let anyone in after 10, unless you walked in like you were supposed to be there. I checked out wechat, and found tons of young looking beauties. They all quoted a price at $60 usd right away, but could be bargained down to $40 for ST. They just ask for the name of the hotel and your room number, and they arrive 10-15 minutes later. The girl I ordered for the first night was amazing. HCMC seems to have higher quality girls for cheaper prices than Danang. However, the sex wasn't great. It was rushed, even though I was promised an hour, she started complaining for me to finish after 30 minutes.

All the girls on wechat in district 1 seem to come from the same source. So there's definitely some sort of ring operating in the area. Every girl offers the exact same price of $60 as soon as you ask. A lot of their wechat messages are the same. And some of the girls I chatted with were not the actual girl they were posing as, but some sort of middle man. The bad thing about this is that bargaining is difficult. The good thing is that you can ask for a different girl, and they have tons of photos to send you and you can choose which girl you want. They guarantee that if the girl who comes to the door is not the one from the photo, then you don't have to pay. They had a lot of 19 year old 10/10's to choose from all for the same price of $40-$60 usd depending on your bargaining.

On my second night, I mainly spent it juggling 2 dates I'd set up before hand via dating websites, and even a non-working girl I met on wechat the day before. 2 of the dates resulted in a bang. One was a disappointed bust. Total "user" type of girl, who plays along all the way up until coming back to the hotel room, and she acted horrified that I wanted sex when we were sitting on my bed in my hotel room. Go figure.

[Ex In Nang]

For my last night in HCMC, I decided just to go with the wechat girls again. This gave a little more insight into the operation, and I think I actually just got lucky on the first night. This second night, I ordered a girl, negotiated the price, and when she showed up at my room, she definitely wasn't the girl from the photo. I was upset. She wasn't even pretty. She was fat with a huge, cave-man face. I showed her the photo she had sent me earlier. At first she tried to claim she was the same girl, it was just photoshopped. After I laughed. She admitted that the photo is just a model. I told her that we already agreed if its not the same girl, then I don't pay. So she said "OK, then I go. " and I said "Yes, please go."

I have a feeling this happens quite a lot. The model girls in the photos probably aren't the actual girls they have available, but they figure most guys won't complain if the girl they send is pretty enough. This is such a typical Vietnamese way of doing business. The real estate companies do the same thing. Total bait and switch. This is why so many Vietnamese are so poor. They have no concept of good business. They're all about making the fastest dollar possible without thinking how to improve customer satisfaction to generate even more revenue.

Whatever. Wechat does have some amazing girls. I was chatting with an amazing 10/10 late on my first night. She even came to my hotel, but they wouldn't let her in past 10:00. So I arranged to meet her the next day for $40. When I sent her a message the next day, she immediately tried to change the price to $50. To try to teach these idiots a lesson, I told her "You're too much trouble. I doubt I'll have a good experience. I'll find another girl. " After that she seemed to realize she made a mistake and was sending me messages for the next hour trying to get me to change my mind.

The girl I finally settled on for the last night claimed to be 19, send some good photos, but when she showed up, again she wasn't the same girl. But it was already past 9:00 and I didn't have time to get another girl to my hotel before they closed to guests, and she was still probably an 7/10. So I decided I'd take her and make her pay for ever minute of my time. Turns out she was 26. Last time I use the wechat service in district 1 so close to my hotel closing time. The sex was actually pretty good for me. I lasted well over an hour, and he pimp was calling her on her phone before we finished, but I wouldn't let her go answer it until I was satisfied. She only used the KY jelly at the beginning, and by the end he moans we much more realistic and was sopping wet. But I guess she didn't appreciate me going so long, because when I wasn't watching she cleaned all her lipstick off onto my hotel towel. Now I'll probably have to pay for it.

So if you're feeling lazy, and have enough time to send the girls back when they don't meet your expectations, you can try the wechat. But don't expect good service.

[CRLuverGuy]

Anyone have info on current situation in D1 areas and mongering places for hot toc or short time fun around the city?

What's going on w all the demonstrations and places or streets to avoid, and recommendations?

Planning on usual fun while visiting for the month. Anyone interested in gathering or meetups too?

[SteelBaton]

Found this girl on a phone app.
But I was quite curious to see what I would get. She was definitely the chick in the pics. 20 yrs old. Tits are nice. She charges 1. 7 mill and she'll come to your place. Just thought I would share. Anyone wants her ph number you can contact me.

Cheers.Thanks for a great report. I'd appreciate her number. Sent you a pm. Please forward her mobile.

Cheers.

[MaxThunder]

Hello,

So my trip consists of 5 days in Saigon. For those looking for a hotel that's girl friendly I am staying at Eden Garden Hotel. I got the VIP room for around $28 a night off Agoda and I'm in the VIP room with a balcony. My warning is if you rent a scooter. Supposedly there's a law that you can't park on the road past a certain time or cops will confiscate your bike. Not sure how true this is but the guy.

That works at the hotel next door I think it's called A. And 1 hotel (Something like that) took it upon himself to steal my bike and put it at the entrance in their hotel. When I finally figured out where it was he wouldn't give it back to me unless I paid him 200 k dong.

Even the guy that rented it to me wouldn't help because he just opened his beer and was hanging out with his friends. Luckily the staff here is amazing and vouched for me and even took me to the police station to get this sorted out. The police still made me pay him 50 k dong.

To get my bike back but whatever. I do recommend staying at Eden Garden hotel, but if you do and you rent a bike watch out for the dick next door. Wake up the staff and they will put the bikes underground in their restaurant downstairs.

[MaxThunder]

Anyone have info on current situation in D1 areas and mongering places for hot toc or short time fun around the city?

What's going on w all the demonstrations and places or streets to avoid, and recommendations?

Planning on usual fun while visiting for the month. Anyone interested in gathering or meetups too?The protests were something to do with a group of environmentalists that were protesting that they wanted change because a million fish died somewhere. That's all I could get out of the poor English some bartender told me. It was a great reminder of how much freedom you.

Have in Western countries because they shut down all news and social media sites for 2 days because of that protest.

If you're looking for hot tocs. Literally just walk down buy vien. You'll have a bunch of girls asking you if you want massage. Just ask first if you can boom boom or whatever you want. If they say no walk to the one 3 feet from her. Too easy. I haven't found any streets to.

Avoid yet. Everybody has been fairly nice except for the dick that stole my bike which I just posted about. Other than that I haven't had any issues here except trying not to get ripped off.

There's working girls on the streets. You can know who they are cause well they look like working girls. Or if they aren't advertising they are just sitting at a crowded bar by themselves just hanging out there. You'll know when you see them. Good luck. I'm checking out apocalypse now tonight to see if it's really worth.

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[MaxThunder]

Tonight I went to Apocalypse now. I can see why reviews were shaky on this place. I walked out after a little under an hour. Drinks over 100 k dong. Beer 115 k dong, white Russians 130 k dong when on buy vien street beer is 30-50 k dong which is still overpriced honestly.

The hottest girls in the club were quoting me 5 mil dong for ST and had attitude when I asked them to do a quick spin for me so I could see what they were offering for 5 mil. The lowest I was able to get the girls down to at 2 am was 3 mil which is still crazy overpriced.

I ended up leaving, frustrated and complained to my motorbike taxi which then he asked me if I want boom boom with sexy girl for cheap. I said sure show me this place and he drove me to some hotel with a girl waiting in the door who was surprisingly hot.

She gave me full service. 1.5 mil dong for room, 500 k for tip. Seemed like I was still getting ripped off but from what I just dealt with at apocalypse now I was OK with it.

Overall review of Apocalypse now. Awful, If you want to get royally ripped off from every direction go for it. But you can find girls pretty much everywhere else with better attitude and cheaper prices. For the record I'm 32 with a fit body.

Don't waste your time.

[Wendella]

Tonight I went to Apocalypse now.I haven't been in that place for years but I had given up on it. Prices were high then but nothing like what you are talking about. ALso yes 1. 5 mil for some girl a xe om guy gets is also high. At that hour, you could go to Bui Vien area (Go2, many girlie bars, SW, etc.) and have your pick for that price or a bit lower even.

One thing, this "spin" you ask them to do, that's not normal here and I have to take the girls' side on that one. I've seen just a few guys do that (over years) and I have to say it comes off as demeaning to the girls, like they're a piece of meat or something. Once I was with a guy and he did that, you could see the girls' faces turn to scowls.

[Wendella]

Bars in the backpacker district with girls, cost 1. 5 million -- all near where Bui Vien meets Do Quang Do street. Mixed in quality, but if you look around you should be able to find a good one. Most girls seem to show up 9 pm or later.

Nguyen Phi Khanh street in upper district 1 with lots of 'hot toc' salons offering BJ at 400 -- service is pretty good, with attractive girls. Start at Vo Thi Sau and walk up this street, they're about half-way to the next big street. 8-10 of them.

Apocalypse Now nightclub — many working girls there, opening prices start high. Someone reported asking price of 5 million for ST recently but that seems off the charts.

Go 2 bar after about 2 am, upstairs, dance floor area. Many working girls come at that time. Not sure of current price but probably 1. 5 million or so ST. Corner of Bui Vien and De Tham street, backpacker district.

On BV street there are lots of girls beckoning customers in for massage. This will be JUST a massage, with at most a hand job at the end. Massage price is about 180 k, and you can get the HJ for maybe 300 k. No BJ, no FS. You can probably get a phone number and then it's up to your charm.

[NguyetLang]

Anyone have info on current situation in D1 areas and mongering places for hot toc or short time fun around the city?

What's going on w all the demonstrations and places or streets to avoid, and recommendations?

Planning on usual fun while visiting for the month. Anyone interested in gathering or meetups too?The demonstration is about pollution from a steel mill / plant in the middle part of the country. The pollution is alleged to come from chemical discharge from the plant, killed tons of fishes. The name of the plant is Formosa which is old name for Taiwan island, of course, it's Chinese own. Many fishermen and people who make a living in fishing industry have lost their livelihood. Many salt-water fish farmers also lost their farms. Nobody wants to buy fish or eat fish because of the scare. People got mad.

The country is already in a very anti-China mood stemmed from the offshore islands disputes. This latest Formosa plant just added to the anti-China atmosphere, powder keg ready go boom.

What does that means? Well, if you are Chinese, or look Chinese, do NOT admit so. Just claim that you are Korean or Japanese, you will be treated better, may even avoid a street fight. Most Vietnamese do NOT go out to look for Chinese, but there are a few troublemakers in every crowd, and they can start a riot real quick. Be careful in these few days. Avoid those demonstration if you can.

[Wendella]

The demonstration is about pollution from a steel mill / plant in the middle part of the country. The pollution is alleged to come from chemical discharge from the plant, killed tons of fishes. The name of the plant is Formosa which is old name for Taiwan island, of course, it's Chinese own. Many fishermen and people who make a living in fishing industry have lost their livelihood. Many salt-water fish farmers also lost their farms. Nobody wants to buy fish or eat fish because of the scare. People got mad.

The country is already in a very anti-China mood stemmed from the offshore islands disputes. This latest Formosa plant just added to the anti-China atmosphere, powder keg ready go boom.

What does that means? Well, if you are Chinese, or look Chinese, do NOT admit so. Just claim that you are Korean or Japanese, you will be treated better, may even avoid a street fight. Most Vietnamese do NOT go out to look for Chinese, but there are a few troublemakers in every crowd, and they can start a riot real quick. Be careful in these few days. Avoid those demonstration if you can.The amount of sealife that's been killed seems enormous. I wonder what the heck could have been this big and powerful to do this much damage. Usually it takes a big oil spill to be this destructive. And how could something this toxic and big just get let out like this. I mean, whoever it was knew what they were flushing or dumping, and how toxic it was, and what the result would be. They expect to just get away with killing off the entire fishing industry of VN? (you have to wonder how much money they saved by dumping these pollutants, vs the cost this will impact the fishing industry. But I have to say, some have that mentality. Not just greed but a kind of myopic and immediate greed. They want it all, they want it now (less amount now better than more later), and they don't care how anyone else is affected. That rhino in the national park had no chance.

[LukeSkywalker]

The contamination will spread in the bottom of the ocean. The bottom fish will be contaminated, in turn contaminate the surface fish that eat them, then the humans.

This problem will likely affect sea life for hundred years or so. The large population, like 10 to 20 million people or so, that live off sea products will starve to death. Hundreds of factories that process seafood for various products and export will die.

Chances are most products anywhere in Asia based on sea food will potentially have contaminated ingredients in them. It's best to avoid them in the future.

This problem may well destroy Vietnam and her people.


The amount of sealife that's been killed seems enormous. I wonder what the heck could have been this big and powerful to do this much damage. Usually it takes a big oil spill to be this destructive. And how could something this toxic and big just get let out like this. I mean, whoever it was knew what they were flushing or dumping, and how toxic it was, and what the result would be. They expect to just get away with killing off the entire fishing industry of VN? (you have to wonder how much money they saved by dumping these pollutants, vs the cost this will impact the fishing industry. But I have to say, some have that mentality. Not just greed but a kind of myopic and immediate greed. They want it all, they want it now (less amount now better than more later), and they don't care how anyone else is affected. That rhino in the national park had no chance.

[Member #4566]

Formosa which is old name for Taiwan island.Formosa is the Japanese name for Taiwan.

[Sketchy]

Formosa is the Japanese name for Taiwan.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Taiwan#Dutch_and_Spanish_rule

[Member #4566]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Taiwan#Dutch_and_Spanish_ruleFormosa is a Portuguese word originating from Latin. How did I get that wrong?

[Wendella]

Formosa is a Portuguese word originating from Latin. How did I get that wrong?I came this close to replying "Wow, I never knew that. ".

[Wander Luster]

The demonstration is about pollution from a steel mill / plant in the middle part of the country. The pollution is alleged to come from chemical discharge from the plant, killed tons of fishes. The name of the plant is Formosa which is old name for Taiwan island, of course, it's Chinese own. Many fishermen and people who make a living in fishing industry have lost their livelihood. Many salt-water fish farmers also lost their farms. Nobody wants to buy fish or eat fish because of the scare. People got mad.
Most Vietnamese do NOT go out to look for Chinese, but there are a few troublemakers in every crowd, and they can start a riot real quick. Be careful in these few days. Avoid those demonstration if you can.Absolutely true. My Viet friends know the top level protesters (many run blogs) even they work for VT corporations. The "red tide" was despicable and many vietnamese want a head on a platter.

Some guys in the VN gov and other foreign entities that caused this will be responsible to for the Tiananmen Square of Vietnam.

Sorry this is a bit off topic. But once it's figured out who killed off the marine life of central Vietnam, it could mean very big changes.

It could also be that the gov handles like Tiananmen Square and just sends thugs after anyone speaking up.

[Geneva Guy]

My VN GF tells me that they have blocked facebook again for the weekend (did it before) to prevent the protestors from communicating easily. I hope Obama makes a big point about taking about free speech and demonstrations. I hear that the VN are very excited about his visit, that is all that is in the news.

GG.

[Wander Luster]

My VN GF tells me that they have blocked facebook again for the weekend (did it before) to prevent the protestors from communicating easily. I hope Obama makes a big point about taking about free speech and demonstrations. I hear that the VN are very excited about his visit, that is all that is in the news.

GG.This is becoming so annoying! The government was a bit "in the background" for expats. Now they are front and center like in China. This month feels more like totalitarianism w / private companies.

[Sketchy]

My VN GF tells me that they have blocked facebook again for the weekend (did it before) to prevent the protestors from communicating easilyThis is usually just a DNS block. When I've stayed in Vietnam it could be bypassed by using Google's public DNS servers or similar.

[Juicyclamlover]

Bars in the backpacker district with girls, cost 1. 5 million -- all near where Bui Vien meets Do Quang Do street. Mixed in quality, but if you look around you should be able to find a good one. Most girls seem to show up 9 pm or later.

Nguyen Phi Khanh street in upper district 1 with lots of 'hot toc' salons offering BJ at 400 -- service is pretty good, with attractive girls. Start at Vo Thi Sau and walk up this street, they're about half-way to the next big street. 8-10 of them.

Apocalypse Now nightclub many working girls there, opening prices start high. Someone reported asking price of 5 million for ST recently but that seems off the charts.

Go 2 bar after about 2 am, upstairs, dance floor area. Many working girls come at that time. Not sure of current price but probably 1. 5 million or so ST. Corner of Bui Vien and De Tham street, backpacker district.

On BV street there are lots of girls beckoning customers in for massage. This will be JUST a massage, with at most a hand job at the end. Massage price is about 180 k, and you can get the HJ for maybe 300 k. No BJ, no FS. You can probably get a phone number and then it's up to your charm.I got a BJ in a couple of those massage places along the street with all the bars in (De Tham?) running away from the Crazy Buffalo as you sit out the front for 1 M VND when I was there last month.

[YellowPaul]

Has anybody attempted to get the #'s of the girls at the KTV girls for a later day time romp before they start work?

[Wendella]

I got a BJ in a couple of those massage places along the street with all the bars in (De Tham?) running away from the Crazy Buffalo as you sit out the front for 1 M VND when I was there last month.OK. Good to know. I was at one about 2 weeks ago, and at the end I got offer of 'happy ending' and I asked if that could be BJ and the answer was a firm No.

So it must differ by girl.

[ActionGG]

Tonight I went to Apocalypse now. I can see why reviews were shaky on this place. I walked out after a little under an hour. Drinks over 100 k dong. Beer 115 k dong, white Russians 130 k dong when on buy vien street beer is 30-50 k dong which is still overpriced honestly.

The hottest girls in the club were quoting me 5 mil dong for ST and had attitude when I asked them to do a quick spin for me so I could see what they were offering for 5 mil. The lowest I was able to get the girls down to at 2 am was 3 mil which is still crazy overpriced.

I ended up leaving, frustrated and complained to my motorbike taxi which then he asked me if I want boom boom with sexy girl for cheap. I said sure show me this place and he drove me to some hotel with a girl waiting in the door who was surprisingly hot.

She gave me full service. 1.5 mil dong for room, 500 k for tip. Seemed like I was still getting ripped off but from what I just dealt with at apocalypse now I was OK with it.

Overall review of Apocalypse now. Awful, If you want to get royally ripped off from every direction go for it. But you can find girls pretty much everywhere else with better attitude and cheaper prices. For the record I'm 32 with a fit body.

Don't waste your time.Yeah, I pop in occasionally and see the same crew of ladies hanging by the pool tables all the time. A friend of mine swore he was getting quoted 200 USD by a lot of girls but personally have never heard or gone for over 3 mil with varying results.

30-50 for beer on BV? Sounds a bit high for the plastic stool "Bia Hois". Have you tried the bars around the Bitexco Tower? It is a crap shoot with the ladies there but there are varying degrees of hookups going on.

[Wendella]

Yeah, I pop in occasionally and see the same crew of ladies hanging by the pool tables all the time. A friend of mine swore he was getting quoted 200 USD by a lot of girls but personally have never heard or gone for over 3 mil with varying results.

30-50 for beer on BV? Sounds a bit high for the plastic stool "Bia Hois". Have you tried the bars around the Bitexco Tower? It is a crap shoot with the ladies there but there are varying degrees of hookups going on.I sometimes went to those bars near Bitexco over a year ago with a buddy who goes every week. Not my scene really but at that time it didn't seem like girls were as available as we prefer them to be here. More like projects to work on for weeks or months. I'd be curious to hear your take on how things work in those places. I miss the old HBT bars, where it was very straightforward, no 'varying degress' to deal with.

[LukeSkywalker]

I have seen quite a few older western guys walk hand in hand with some of the tall, nice, clean, sweetest, best-looking young girls in areas around Bitexco tower. They are obviously in loving relationships, not mongering.

Unless one is bold enough to approach the girls one likes, one would never know which ones are available, willing and interested in relationships. By traditional culture, most Viet girls and women in good families are brought up as nice, gentle, innocent, respectful humans, remaining almost child like all their lives. They are prudish, shy and conservative in relationships with men, they would wait for the men to make the first and every moves. I know many educated, good-looking, attractive, successful women in managerial and executive positions in Vietnam who resign to a life of sexless loneliness due to their shyness.

By personal experiences, I just know girls in Vietnam and China would swoon and take every men's compliments to heart. They love the human-centric ideals of the Western world.

I was in Cafe Dalat Thac on Nguyen T M Khai one night. There were about 10 women sitting quietly at 2 tables, waiting for guys to approach them. It's a ripe social condition for female companies.

I encourage the bros to start pleasant small talks with any civie girls or women in Vietnam. They will learn a lot about the women and culture of Vietnam and have many satisfying relationships.


I sometimes went to those bars near Bitexco over a year ago with a buddy who goes every week. Not my scene really but at that time it didn't seem like girls were as available as we prefer them to be here. More like projects to work on for weeks or months. I'd be curious to hear your take on how things work in those places. I miss the old HBT bars, where it was very straightforward, no 'varying degress' to deal with.

[LukeSkywalker]

I heard internet girls in Vietnam have to pay a steep share, like half, of their takes to the web sites managers or pimps to book appointments. A few slipped me their personal phones so I can book future appointments without calling the pimps' tels, likely so they can keep all the money for themselves.

In countries like Mexico, girls are internet-savvy and use social media like Facebook and their iPhones to create their social networks with repeat clients. They become more like independent high-class escorts than cheap hos, making far more money, having better working conditions and more flexible work schedule, easier life and don't have to pay and depend on the abusive pimps for their livelihoods.

Girls in Vietnam are nice, clean, gentle and good-looking, but not internet-savvy. The bros should talk to the sweetest girls and help them set up their own social media networks to better their lives and their businesses. In Vietnam, the biggest advantage would be that they will avoid being arrested, abused and labeled by the police. A few whom I helped did return my kindness with their sweetest passion.

[Wendella]

I have seen quite a few older western guys walk hand in hand with some of the tall, nice, clean, sweetest, best-looking young girls in areas around Bitexco tower. They are obviously in loving relationships, not mongering.

Interesting, and I don't really go down there much so I don't dispute what you say.

But I wanted to clarify what I meant in my earlier post that you replied to. The bars I'm talking about are ones like Kim's and Chili Bar and No. 5. They're bars for men, and they are full of hostesses in sexy dresses who hang out and talk with the male customers, and flirt of course. Hostesses in other words. Not prostitutes. Now I have heard stories of wild things sometimes happening in those bars, and also guys managing to go to a hotel with some girls, but that's not standard. You can't walk in and point to a girl and say "I'll take that one" and go to a hotel. (that's how it worked at the HBT bars) You have to work on it and charm her, repeat visits over time, and maybe it will happen in her off-hours, or maybe not. And these are not the kinds of girls you are describing either. You're talking about girls who aren't doing "customer service" in male-oriented nightlife venues. And that is a whole other kind of girl. The girls you talk about don't have the experience of being hit on by customer after customer after customer every night. Their job is getting hit on, really. It kind of warps their minds, ruins them in a way. They lose the kinds of qualities you describe (and love) in Vietnamese women, but they do remember how to pretend to be that way. So watch out in those bars. Remain skeptical.

[LukeSkywalker]

Perhaps the bros can help the poor girls list and market their businesses in Craiglist, Backpage or any local sites, in exchange for free or discount services. More girls would be available and be more accessible to foreigners if they can legally, safely and easily make their deals.

The girls can store repeat clients in their phones, but should screen new clients some ways, like verified Facebook, Twitter, Instagram accounts or registration at hotels.


I heard internet girls in Vietnam have to pay a steep share, like half, of their takes to the web sites managers or pimps to book appointments. A few slipped me their personal phones so I can book future appointments without calling the pimps' tels, likely so they can keep all the money for themselves.

In countries like Mexico, girls are internet-savvy and use social media like Facebook and their iPhones to create their social networks with repeat clients. They become more like independent high-class escorts than cheap hos, making far more money, having better working conditions and more flexible work schedule, easier life and don't have to pay and depend on the abusive pimps for their livelihoods.

Girls in Vietnam are nice, clean, gentle and good-looking, but not internet-savvy. The bros should talk to the sweetest girls and help them set up their own social media networks to better their lives and their businesses. In Vietnam, the biggest advantage would be that they will avoid being arrested, abused and labeled by the police. A few whom I helped did return my kindness with their sweetest passion.

[AmericanThief]

Has anybody attempted to get the #'s of the girls at the KTV girls for a later day time romp before they start work?Have you ever banged one of those KTV girls? Details please.

[Builder83]

Found this girl on a phone app. Actually someone uploaded her pics and they offered her services. Anal, BBBJ, ATM and CIM. Usually I try to stay away from people advertising on phone apps because I feel like I'm not going to get the same chick.

But I was quite curious to see what I would get. She was definitely the chick in the pics. 20 yrs old. Tits are nice. About 168 cm tall. And very kind.

Let me take pics. She charges 1. 7 mill and she'll come to your place. Just thought I would share. Anyone wants her ph number you can contact me.

Cheers.Hi bro,

Can share?

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[ActionGG]

I sometimes went to those bars near Bitexco over a year ago with a buddy who goes every week. Not my scene really but at that time it didn't seem like girls were as available as we prefer them to be here. More like projects to work on for weeks or months. I'd be curious to hear your take on how things work in those places. I miss the old HBT bars, where it was very straightforward, no 'varying degress' to deal with.I don't hang out that regular, much more before, but there are all kinds of girls working and there are occasional ladies out before going to Apo or friends of waitresses but in general, it is a project in most cases although there are full-on workers in some bars. I don't really care about buying them drinks to have a semi-grope but a lot of Asian guys seem happy with that.

I will confess that I was dragged home one night by a 22 or 23-yr old single mother working a lower Pasteur street bar who I thought was going to charge me but when I came up short in cash for the hotel, she payed the difference. She was a bit exceptional in that she was a young actress just working in a bar to improve her English. She ended up breaking it off in deference to my wife.

Another: About a year ago I met a 30-yr. Old divorcee who has a small English school and was also working just to improve her English but could barely put up with the job- she never let guys buy her drinks or whatever- and went through three bars pretty quickly. The first bar I met her at, she started asking me if I was there to take a woman home, because some them will do that, she said. But I never got details LOL. We ended up becoming friendly and I would see her at the bar to hear about her BF troubles. She is definitely hunting a foreign husband and had some Aussie guy on the line but broke up recently. For some reason I am her "type" and she would go for me if I wasn't married, so she has no problem in going out with me occasionally. Of course I wonder in the back of my mind if she will sometime decide, "eh, may as well have sex with him" but she seems a bit too tightly wound (doesn't drink). She knows that I am not so happy in my marriage and that I have cheated before, so maybe I can at least get her to introduce me to a more "open" friend.

But, yeah, things are not straight-forward at all and the main job is to get and keep guys drinking in the bar. Maybe there are more girls willing to do P4P at say Kims but I have found them to always be pushing for drinks and then drinks for friends and then a padded bill, so I stick more to places where it is a bit more casual or there are ladies I know that I am fine buying a few drinks for. It seems that BV and and Do Quang Dau bars are the most easy bars for take-away now aren't they? Not straight-up barfine but definitely discussed fairly openly it seems. But to me, that area is just bad news and P2P there is full of addicts, diseases and ripoffs.

[HellsAngel]

Hello all,

I am visiting Ho Chi Minh in the second week of July /16. I have 2 full days here, I am willing to explore everything the place can offer me. Request members to share me with contacts, places and fantasies that are available in this place.

[Mandrillo88]

Hi guys,

I've been to Ho Chi Minh City but I spent all days with a girl from there and I did not have any opportunity to go for looking for other girls, who has been there, where to go to get some girl without paying? I know in the Philippines is possible, what about in this city?

[Nautnza]

Hi guys,

I've been to Ho Chi Minh City but I spent all days with a girl from there and I did not have any opportunity to go for looking for other girls, who has been there, where to go to get some girl without paying? I know in the Philippines is possible, what about in this city?From my little experience yes you can find easily girlfriend in Vietnam but beautiful sexy girls are looking for young rich Vietnamese men (or Viet Kieu $$ or at least are less attracted to foreign men. Also not many girls speak English.

Most of women looking for foreign men are above 30 yo, sometime single mother and dream of wedding, not only boyfriend for few days / weeks.

In HCM I have found a lot of single girls via Tinder, lots of them are attractive and 25 yo and speak English.

[AmericanThief]

Karaoke on Nam Ky Khoi Nghia street, about 50 girls to choose from. $60 for one girl, one drink set and singing room. Sing and drink and then take girl out $100.

Vietnamese men not allowed because they hassle about price. Negotiations not allowed. All prices firm, girls above average. Asian culture.

My Korean friends love to do this, but not my style.

The girl said she would meet me short time outside of work before 7 pm, again $100 non negotiable.

3 men price $150 for 3 girls and drink set plus singing room. Its strange to do karaoke as a single man, should be done in groups, party style then each guy takes his girl out.

Short time only, no overnights. Girls speak enough English to service.

There it is.

[MjGoat23]

Hi brother,

I am very interested in the KTV you mentioned, can you please share the addresses to Dmax, 13 and 166? I will visit HCM in the end of the month!


Night 1. Damax.

I'm a big advocate of Korean-owed / run KTV. So it's a surprise to myself that I even write favourable report on Dmax, a local tier 1 KTV. The top 3 karaoke in Saigon in term of quality of girls are 166, Dmax, and 13. Of the three, 13 is top in term of girls quality and THE place for VN movers / shakers. Girls there are completely spoiled and top ones hold out for mid-longterm payday (sponsorship). And yes, do they get away with it sadly.

Was having dinner with my buddy (in term of both friendship and mongering. You know the saying about birds of a feather) when we decided on the cuff that we want to hit karaoke. We planned to do it tomorrow but decided to do a little recon / window shopping prior. First we hit Point, Korean-owned / run KTV. As we thought. Completely booked, it being Friday night. So we made booking for tomorrow. Walked over to Stocking. As expected selection of 20 was horror show. Full of 4/5/6. Curse both of us for being so spoiled and setting high standard for ourselves..

[JackMa]

It is a myth that many Caucasian males think they can get in the female Asian pants easier than their Asian male counterparts. Just like in any countries you can pay to get what you want. Or if you want freebies you have to work for it because there are no easy meals for you. You can get a wife or girl friend rather easier in Asia because you are richer than many of the males there. Your "bach qui" (white devil) looks are compensated by the money you bring to them. Your lack of language (no, you can't be humorous unless you can speak or she can speak yours) are compensated by the promise of bringing them back to your country. If you are thinking with an average Caucasian look (or a little bit better than average) and naturally better built than the Asian males, or having a bigger dick, you can attract females like stinky shit attracts flies then you will be disappointed.

[OzzieInHCMC]

It is a myth that many Caucasian males think they can get in the female Asian pants easier than their Asian male counterparts. Just like in any countries you can pay to get what you want. Or if you want freebies you have to work for it because there are no easy meals for you. You can get a wife or girl friend rather easier in Asia because you are richer than many of the males there. Your "bach qui" (white devil) looks are compensated by the money you bring to them. Your lack of language (no, you can't be humorous unless you can speak or she can speak yours) are compensated by the promise of bringing them back to your country. If you are thinking with an average Caucasian look (or a little bit better than average) and naturally better built than the Asian males, or having a bigger dick, you can attract females like stinky shit attracts flies then you will be disappointed.That's not always the case. I was lucky enough to meet a girl in Vietnam who is in a management position in an international company. She was not looking for money as she was comfortable enough with her own job. But she loves sex and talking to my western friends with Vietnamese wives / girlfriends seems to be the rule rather than the exception. We have been together for 6 years and it came to the point where she loves it so much we regularly involve other guys in the relationship. She loves more than 1 but surprisingly enough its not easy to find guys in HCM who are interested to be involved in 3 some or GB.

[Naked Gunz]

If you are thinking with an average Caucasian look (or a little bit better than average) and naturally better built than the Asian males, or having a bigger dick, you can attract females like stinky shit attracts flies then you will be disappointed.You sound like a pissed Viet man AND woman! Tell us how you really feel. Your correct tho that the Western arrogance smell like stink on shit and permeates everybody's good air. Go home Charlie!

[Wander Luster]

That's not always the case. I was lucky enough to meet a girl in Vietnam who is in a management position in an international company. She was not looking for money as she was comfortable enough with her own job. But she loves sex and talking to my western friends with Vietnamese wives / girlfriends seems to be the rule rather than the exception. We have been together for 6 years and it came to the point where she loves it so much we regularly involve other guys in the relationship. She loves more than 1 but surprisingly enough its not easy to find guys in HCM who are interested to be involved in 3 some or GB.I totally agree. Big difference in VT is age doesn't matter. If you're 35, finding a 25 year old Nymph is no more hard than a 35. Not much different than in the PH on age. Maybe a little tougher, but they are not looking for a green card as much as girls in the PH are (MANY do not want to move).

Got to look for the non traditional! That's tough, but if someone hasn't "dated" foreigners just forget it! Move on. So that should be your first question with the chicks: how many western friends do you have. Have you "dated" western guys? They may say they haven't but be sure they're not just embarrassed to admit.

[ThienHoangb4]

It is a myth that many Caucasian males think they can get in the female Asian pants easier than their Asian male counterparts. Just like in any countries you can pay to get what you want. Or if you want freebies you have to work for it because there are no easy meals for you. You can get a wife or girl friend rather easier in Asia because you are richer than many of the males there. Your "bach qui" (white devil) looks are compensated by the money you bring to them. Your lack of language (no, you can't be humorous unless you can speak or she can speak yours) are compensated by the promise of bringing them back to your country. If you are thinking with an average Caucasian look (or a little bit better than average) and naturally better built than the Asian males, or having a bigger dick, you can attract females like stinky shit attracts flies then you will be disappointed.That is accurate. There are many Asian girls who do not like to hang out with Caucasian males for different reasons: limited English proficiency, different cultural background, etc. One more thing: white devil is "bach quy" in Vietnamese.

[Crocodilexp]

It is a myth that many Caucasian males think they can get in the female Asian pants easier than their Asian male counterparts.Absolutely, if you have an equivalent Caucasian guy vs a local (Thai or Vietnamese) guy, with the same salary, education and looks, the local will be more desirable to almost all girls, due to language, cultural awareness, being an easier fit socially.

Problem is, there are very few such Asian guys, and they're generally after the high end, and wouldn't give the time of day to an average Vietnamese girl that a Caucasian would be overjoyed to date or bang. We're mostly competing against taxi drivers or aspiring middle-class guys struggling to make $300-$500/ mo.

Moreover, as a Caucasian in Asia, one look and the girls already assume certain things about you (primarily good money, but there's more), whereas as an Asian you have to approach and put in work to show what you are.

[Onadlos]

It is a myth that many Caucasian males think they can get in the female Asian pants easier than their Asian male counterparts. Just like in any countries you can pay to get what you want. Or if you want freebies you have to work for it because there are no easy meals for you. You can get a wife or girl friend rather easier in Asia because you are richer than many of the males there. Your "bach qui" (white devil) looks are compensated by the money you bring to them. Your lack of language (no, you can't be humorous unless you can speak or she can speak yours) are compensated by the promise of bringing them back to your country. If you are thinking with an average Caucasian look (or a little bit better than average) and naturally better built than the Asian males, or having a bigger dick, you can attract females like stinky shit attracts flies then you will be disappointed.Look we don't care if it's because of money, looks or skin color.

I like Asian women and it's very easy to find partners in Asia simply because there are much more Asian people than white people.

I don't give a s* y they like me, if they do I use it to my advantage if they don't I couldn't care less.

I don't think white male are superior blablabla I only care about blowjobs.

I don't need money I can find rich wives who pay for my meals hotels and everything.

Young"language exchange" students who are curious, shop employees etc etc.

Also, some women will say in front of Asian people that they don't like white people and then come to your room at night in secret.

Sorry if you don't like it but it's like this in every country, woman like adventure and will try to meet guys outside of their community so that nobody hears about it.

Sorry for you if you wife is banging a white dude.

You're racist anyway so STFU.

[Geneva Guy]

My own experience in my many trips and time spent in VN is quite different. I have a 24 year old sweetie in Haiphong and 28 year old in HCMC. Both are quite attractive, not too white, not too brown (doesn't matter to me really, actually I prefer browner girls). Both love me and I love them too. Met one on Vn cupid and the other on we chat (see my previous posts in VN sections).

These girls tell me that they prefer western, white guys because they are treated better (you have to admit, many of us do have an attitude that women are equal and should be treated with respect). They tell me and show me videos / pics of their women friends getting hit by their husbands, BFs. Overall, what they say is that white guys treat them well. One never asks for $ and the other I have given small sums for her to buy small things. One I can fly to singapore to be with me (her english is better, girl from the south) and the Haiphong girl is happy seeing me when I'm there for a couple weeks.

Are these girls a "10", nope. They are perhaps a 7 or 8. But they dress nicely, smell good and I have taught them about sex and they are very pleasing in bed. They each love to have their pussy licked (and tell me their Vn BFs didn't do that so much) and they are both 3 holers and tell me "I want you to be happy in bed also. ".

So, its not always money (P4 P is fun, but with these girls, no need to look elsewhere).

Just my experience, I have posted some pics of them in the Vn picture section and in the Singapore pic section. So if you want to take a look, they are generally X rated pics hehehe, which they don't mind me taking.

Vn girls are sweet and lovely. And if you like pussy hair, this is the place to be hehe.

GG.

[NguyetLang]

My own experience in my many trips and time spent in VN is quite different. I have a 24 year old sweetie in Haiphong and 28 year old in HCMC. Both are quite attractive, not too white, not too brown (doesn't matter to me really, actually I prefer browner girls). Both love me and I love them too. Met one on Vn cupid and the other on we chat (see my previous posts in VN sections).

So, its not always money (P4 P is fun, but with these girls, no need to look elsewhere).
GG.They also prefer Viet-kieu (Vietnamese who lives in western countries) for the same reasons, that is we treat them a lot better than the local Vietnamese men. I grew up in the USA and thus my attitude is that being equal just a lot more fun. The surprising thing for me was how easy it was to find and establish connection (FB, zalo, wechat). I have 1-2 connections in every major towns (Hanoi, Hue, Da Nang, Saigon). All are married and do not want money. The most I done for these women were taking them on travel and pay for the tours. I also pay for outings such as restaurants, bars, clubs, etc. Other than some small token gifts, no money were ever asked or given.

Granted that they are all in the 30's, but nice looking, dress well, kept their figures nice and firm. I prefer these women (married, early 30's) because they seem to be more pleasing, discrete, good in bed, and always grateful to be with me. I am in my 50's so these women are still quite young in comparison. I now rarely engage in P4 P because simply no need. The ones in SG and HN will insist on picking me up at the airport every time I am in town. Others will come to my hotel with just a phone call. More than one had told me that they crave the attention I gave them when we are together. Their husbands or BF just never bother.

Yes VNse women are just lovely. If you can figure out what they want (other than money) and give them that, they will be yours. A caveat is that I had to go through a process of elimination, drop out those that want money, want to get marry, or get out of country, or some time just too much time demand (playing hard to get, common in younger ones). My rate was about 20%, I gem out of every 4-5 contacts.

Peter.

[ActionGG]

Karaoke on Nam Ky Khoi Nghia street, about 50 girls to choose from. $60 for one girl, one drink set and singing room. Sing and drink and then take girl out $100.

Vietnamese men not allowed because they hassle about price. Negotiations not allowed. All prices firm, girls above average. Asian culture.

My Korean friends love to do this, but not my style.

The girl said she would meet me short time outside of work before 7 pm, again $100 non negotiable.

3 men price $150 for 3 girls and drink set plus singing room. Its strange to do karaoke as a single man, should be done in groups, party style then each guy takes his girl out.

Short time only, no overnights. Girls speak enough English to service.

There it is.Is it all Japanese and Korean? Do you know the address? So its basically 160 USD for LT? Comparable to APo I suppose if you figure in all the drinks but how is their language level?

Thanks!

[Sidtip]

Is it all Japanese and Korean? Do you know the address? So its basically 160 USD for LT? Comparable to APo I suppose if you figure in all the drinks but how is their language level?

Thanks!Can I get a private rom in there with two girls for $120 plus drinks. Will they be naked and stuff. I don't care about taking them out.

[NoImbecile]

I'll be rambling here (pardon the lack of coherency).

I'm from the subcontinent, and therefore fit neither the Caucasian profile nor the Viet-kieu profile. I don't stand out much in the crowd either way. However, I've had decent luck scoring freebies off WeChat and Tinder, as and when I was willing to put in the time investment.

The equality bit definitely is the big draw for girls anywhere, but what I can make out from my interaction with my Viet colleagues in my office, the relationships they're in are all "equal". However, my colleagues are all in their twenties and quite influenced by the the equality school of thought. I do hear of inequality and mistreatment from my tinder buddy (she tells me stories about her friends and their husbands), however I haven't seen anything like that personally.

As for the amount of gender equality, I see a much greater level of gender equality in VN as compared to back home in the subcontinent (which probably is one of the worst in discrimination of any type, more like all types, in all 200+ odd countries in the world, including Saudi).

So it's I agree that it's all about the attitude and not how you look. By looks I mean the skin and features, not the clothes and accessories. Clothes do make the man, which is why I dress really shabbily, to pleasantly surprise people when I talk.

[Golaco]

Anybody could give his / her 2 cents?

Thanks

[Irish Mongrel]

Anybody could give his / her 2 cents?

ThanksYou may find you're going to get roasted with your first post being a question! Suggest you do bit of research on these pages first, like we all did, and you'll find all the information you need, and some.

So my two cents. Just watch out for the ones with meat and 2 veg.

[Renda]

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[ILoveChicas]

Before jumping on this post as too stupid!

I'm curious what shops guys have found good quality condoms in? I wouldn't mind paying a bit more for better quality ones. I'm usually in D1/ D3 and D7 BTW. What I tried at the convenience store and over the counter at the usual pharmacies didn't seem great even though they were labeled Durex as I recall.

I also walked into one of those condom stores with the cartoonish looking graphics (Up?) Jesus, some skanky version of an adult bookstores aren't they?

Respond if for nothing other than a laugh!

[JD468]

Before jumping on this post as too stupid!

I'm curious what shops guys have found good quality condoms in? I wouldn't mind paying a bit more for better quality ones. I'm usually in D1/ D3 and D7 BTW. What I tried at the convenience store and over the counter at the usual pharmacies didn't seem great even though they were labeled Durex as I recall.

I also walked into one of those condom stores with the cartoonish looking graphics (Up?) Jesus, some skanky version of an adult bookstores aren't they?

Respond if for nothing other than a laugh!Google medicare Vietnam. This is a pharmacy chain in HCM. They sell Durex and a few other brands (XL as well).

I never had a problem with their condoms.

[AmericanThief]

Vietnamese men helping foreigners find girls, and then robs them.

http://tuoitrenews.vn/society/36681/gang-nabbed-luring-expats-to-sex-services-in-ho-chi-minh-city

[Ggatsby78]

That's not always the case. I was lucky enough to meet a girl in Vietnam who is in a management position in an international company. She was not looking for money as she was comfortable enough with her own job. But she loves sex and talking to my western friends with Vietnamese wives / girlfriends seems to be the rule rather than the exception. We have been together for 6 years and it came to the point where she loves it so much we regularly involve other guys in the relationship. She loves more than 1 but surprisingly enough its not easy to find guys in HCM who are interested to be involved in 3 some or GB.I would be down when I am there.

[Rick Rock]

That's not always the case. I was lucky enough to meet a girl in Vietnam who is in a management position in an international company. She was not looking for money as she was comfortable enough with her own job. But she loves sex and talking to my western friends with Vietnamese wives / girlfriends seems to be the rule rather than the exception. We have been together for 6 years and it came to the point where she loves it so much we regularly involve other guys in the relationship. She loves more than 1 but surprisingly enough its not easy to find guys in HCM who are interested to be involved in 3 some or GB.Next time around, give me a heads up. I'd be happy to help!

[SoulBrother]

I am in Vietnam now, stayed at HA MY 3 Hotel, it is girl friendly.

Yesterday I went to search for some girls, but in the end didn't have to look long.

At night there are some tuk tuk drivers siting near the entrance to the hotel, they usually will offer to bring some girls to you.

I thought that was some kind of scam but gave it a try anyway, so the driver called someone and in 5 minutes a Taxi came.

Be warned that there are a lot of taxi scams (learned it the hard way), so use only Vinasun or Minlih or something like that.

So I sat in taxi and we drove to the nearest brothel, I paid about 200 k to the Mamasan and the girl asked 1 Mill, I am sure that you could bring it down to 700-800 but I didn't want to huge there.

They wanted me to sleep in their place, but I demanded to go back to my hotel, to which they agreed.

At my room everything went well, no creepy gangsters breaking in my room or stealing: the, the girls are pretty (7.5) but for that price you can probably find better if you know the language or places to look.

But for an average lazy Joe like me, it is OK.

I will go there one more time, and I will write down the name of the brothel and the street, forgot to do that last time since I thought some shit will happen and I will need to run: the.

But it is somewhere near that hotel, like 2 min driving with a taxi.

[Wander Luster]

They also prefer Viet-kieu (Vietnamese who lives in western countries) for the same reasons, that is we treat them a lot better than the local Vietnamese men. I grew up in the USA and thus my attitude is that being equal just a lot more fun. The surprising thing for me was how easy it was to find and establish connection (FB, zalo, wechat). I have 1-2 connections in every major towns (Hanoi, Hue, Da Nang, Saigon). All are married and do not want money. The most I done for these women were taking them on travel and pay for the tours. I also pay for outings such as restaurants, bars, clubs, etc. Other than some small token gifts, no money were ever asked or given.

Granted that they are all in the 30's, but nice looking, dress well, kept their figures nice and firm. I prefer these women (married, early 30's) because they seem to be more pleasing, discrete, good in bed, and always grateful to be with me. I am in my 50's so these women are still quite young in comparison. I now rarely engage in P4 P because simply no need. The ones in SG and HN will insist on picking me up at the airport every time I am in town. Others will come to my hotel with just a phone call. More than one had told me that they crave the attention I gave them when we are together. Their husbands or BF just never bother.

Yes VNse women are just lovely. If you can figure out what they want (other than money) and give them that, they will be yours. A caveat is that I had to go through a process of elimination, drop out those that want money, want to get marry, or get out of country, or some time just too much time demand (playing hard to get, common in younger ones). My rate was about 20%, I gem out of every 4-5 contacts.

Peter.Well said. While I don't like to encourage woman to cheat on husbands, I see your point. I also see this is a good way to be attacked and put in hospital if you are caught. My experience is VT guys don't deserve their wives since they treat them like it's 1920 but it's NOT in cities like Saigon. BUT don't you worry if you're "caught" you will be severely beaten (killed? I'm caucasian so not sure if that is better or worse than if you-- a Viet-kieu is caught.

PM me if you like.

WL.

[AmericanThief]

I actually met a "real" wechat girl. I never give my room number. I always meet them outside so I can turn them away when a different girl shows up. I feel safer doing this too. I don't want them knowing exactly where I live.

Anyways, a week ago I found a profile with a hot girl. She had over 200 pics on her feed and she posted in English. She accepted my friend request and tonight I asked her over. She showed up looking good and it was really her, but a little different too.

She had some acne on her skin, and was a little more brown than her profile looked. She was a bit harder in person too. Her profile looked really sweet. I compared her to Goo Hara from Kara in the photos, but in real she's not.

Anyway, everything was by the book. Shower, 1 minute BBBJ, condom, straight sex no kissing. She had implants too. I'm guessing her exboyfriend, probably a foreigner paid for them. She strikes me as a former bar girl that wised up and realized she can make as much or more on her own.

She had a decent command of English one only gets from being around English speakers a lot but still heavy viet accent.

Total was $60 one shot and out. Can't really complain although no GFE. I will keep her in my stable, not my #1 but lives near and can come on a dime, but evenings only.

I'm still not endorsing Wechat, but her active profile was the clue I needed to know she was real.

[NguyetLang]

Well said. While I don't like to encourage woman to cheat on husbands, I see your point. I also see this is a good way to be attacked and put in hospital if you are caught. My experience is VT guys don't deserve their wives since they treat them like it's 1920 but it's NOT in cities like Saigon. BUT don't you worry if you're "caught" you will be severely beaten (killed? I'm caucasian so not sure if that is better or worse than if you-- a Viet-kieu is caught.

PM me if you like.

WL.Actually foreigners would fare a bit better than Viet-kieu since they tend to treat foreigners (somewhat) with more respect. They rather try exacting more money from foreigner than exacting revenge (how practical!). So consider just administrative fines if you are caught. In my cases, I was lucky that the husbands seem to be holding a weaker hands. The women seem to have more money or power than the husbands. My guess is that the husbands are perfectly happy spending their wives money drinking the days away or fooling around with younger girls in those KTV. At least one of my regular in Hanoi confirmed so. The husband is a small time officials with a ceremonious job, spending all his time in dubious meetings away from home. He is having to much fun to care about his wife's activity.

My other connection in Saigon also said even the criminal code in Vn only calls for fines, no prison, on prostitution (the girl might get sent to re-education or rehab institute). So take that as consolation if any of you foreigners still worry about getting caught in VN.

Enjoy Vietnam,

Peter.

[AmericanThief]

Found a cutie on Wechat, real profile. One of her profile pictures had and address with some prices in and said massage + sex, so I asked her and she said yes. Something like 200 for massage and 700 for sex.

I go there, and she is scared of me because my wechat Profile is not me. She didn't like the use of fake pics, no one does, but why would she care if I'm a customer and she wants money. Anyway, the massage was a waste of time. I tried to get the sex going, but she wasn't having it.

I don't know if this is their scam or not. Do they promise sex with cute young girl and then just do the massage for small money, or was she a little freaked out by the real me and not the handsome celebrity in my profile? I'll never know.

Headed over to a Hot Toc and got a nice slow BBBJ with CIM by a light skinned beauty for 400,00. Am supposed to meet a 19 why / o tonight, but I see she is using a translator and I know how these dates turn out. So I'm going to pass, get some rest. Maybe try again tomorrow. Need something new.

Missing my favorite provider in Hong Kong too.

[Member #4178]

I got all of the "OK-Cupid" Badoo" WeChat" Tinder and no need a PHD in cultural and sociology behavior to understand the concept here.

1. Trolling 90%.

2. Ready to meet but need time to trust. Sex After love.

3. ready to meet and fuck. Very rare normally for 32 years and up.

Whats common? They all fucked up. Best thing to avoid waist of time is to ask them if they ready for a nice fuck as part of introduction.

Girls friendly hotels? I am staying in one of the Home Stay in Co-Bac street. My owner has no problem as long has the visitor show ID.

WeChat? Very funny, I had two dates with non-pro but many ask for 50 USD ready to come my room.

Last. From sheer look perspective Vietnamese sweep the floor with thai that look like Rats in comparison.

Big thanks to America.

T.

[SamWise1]

I actually met a "real" wechat girl. I never give my room number. I always meet them outside so I can turn them away when a different girl shows up. I feel safer doing this too. I don't want them knowing exactly where I live.I just downloaded wechat on my iphone. How do you find a wechat girl. Don't you need her phone number or ID.

[NoImbecile]

Just use the "Discover" - "People Nearby" and filter for female.


I just downloaded wechat on my iphone. How do you find a wechat girl. Don't you need her phone number or ID.

[RoseBowl]

Curious how do you guys word your messages to women online when you are just looking for a FWB type deal.

I will be looking for a wife aged 18-28 but while I am doing the search want to have some no string attached women on rotation if need be.

I am a 30 year old white male. Clean cut. Not overweight. I've heard the older women 30+ are more easier for the FWB type arrangements.

I've been pipelining HCM for a solid year now in preparation for my move. Currently have about 800 girls added to facebook, zalo, viber etc.

However, all of those are 18-28 years old (mostly 18-23). Gotten a few nudes but mostly haven't even chatted with 80% of them yet. Basically was add me on fb, we can get coffee when I arrive type deal.

Wanting to go more direct with my new wave of messages to the women aged 28+ that I have never searched or messaged before.

Will I get my cupid account banned by messaging women saying "Looking for a non serious relationship with benefits" ?

What's experiences with this?

Cheers.

[Growtek]

Found a cutie on Wechat, real profile. One of her profile pictures had and address with some prices in and said massage + sex, so I asked her and she said yes. Something like 200 for massage and 700 for sex.

I go there, and she is scared of me because my wechat Profile is not me. She didn't like the use of fake pics, no one does, but why would she care if I'm a customer and she wants money. Anyway, the massage was a waste of time. I tried to get the sex going, but she wasn't having it.

I don't know if this is their scam or not. Do they promise sex with cute young girl and then just do the massage for small money, or was she a little freaked out by the real me and not the handsome celebrity in my profile? I'll never know.

Headed over to a Hot Toc and got a nice slow BBBJ with CIM by a light skinned beauty for 400,00. Am supposed to meet a 19 why / o tonight, but I see she is using a translator and I know how these dates turn out. So I'm going to pass, get some rest. Maybe try again tomorrow. Need something new.

Missing my favorite provider in Hong Kong too.Why don't you stop using a fake picture?

[Sjhk108]

I just downloaded wechat on my iphone. How do you find a wechat girl. Don't you need her phone number or ID.I had just one experience, which is the only one, with girl from wechat. She was the girl in the pic of wechat and she asked for 100% payment upon arrival to my room. Rushed through sex and then asking for 200 k vnd tips. Got to be more careful finding girls on wechat.

[TomSf]

I had just one experience, which is the only one, with girl from wechat. She was the girl in the pic of wechat and she asked for 100% payment upon arrival to my room. Rushed through sex and then asking for 200 k vnd tips. Got to be more careful finding girls on wechat.Sjhk108,

She is not the problem. You were the problem and allowed her to rip you off. If she will not accept the money after service then tell her to leave. Also there is no such thing as an additional 200 k tip. If you paid extra for crap service then you assisted her in your own robbery. Also, most of the time for your information, service will be rushed in Vietnam. Vietnam is very fast past, rush and scam culture. I think you would be safer in Thailand. Not ever guy can handle Vietnam.

[AmericanThief]

Curious how do you guys word your messages to women online when you are just looking for a FWB type deal.

I will be looking for a wife aged 18-28 but while I am doing the search want to have some no string attached women on rotation if need be.

I am a 30 year old white male. Clean cut. Not overweight. I've heard the older women 30+ are more easier for the FWB type arrangements.

I've been pipelining HCM for a solid year now in preparation for my move. Currently have about 800 girls added to facebook, zalo, viber etc.

However, all of those are 18-28 years old (mostly 18-23). Gotten a few nudes but mostly haven't even chatted with 80% of them yet. Basically was add me on fb, we can get coffee when I arrive type deal.

Wanting to go more direct with my new wave of messages to the women aged 28+ that I have never searched or messaged before.

Will I get my cupid account banned by messaging women saying "Looking for a non serious relationship with benefits" ?

What's experiences with this?

Cheers.You are silly. Thanks for the laugh.

[Bald69]

Hello all,

Heading to HCMC around January 22nd for 2-3 weeks with a friend. Looking for a guide to help us around. We will cover all their expenses and entertainment fun.

Was hoping to replicate my last trip to HCMC which was about 3 years back. Met a great member on this form. He took us around and introduced us to some amazing places. One was a private Karaoke club where we had a line up of gorgeous women to pick and spend our time with. At the end of the night we were able to get take out. We made sure he had a great night as well and he went home happy! Wish I could find his info again but I lost his name and number! FML.

[MutantChicken]

Hello all,

Heading to HCMC around January 22nd for 2-3 weeks with a friend. Looking for a guide to help us around. We will cover all their expenses and entertainment fun.

Was hoping to replicate my last trip to HCMC which was about 3 years back. Met a great member on this form. He took us around and introduced us to some amazing places. One was a private Karaoke club where we had a line up of gorgeous women to pick and spend our time with. At the end of the night we were able to get take out. We made sure he had a great night as well and he went home happy! Wish I could find his info again but I lost his name and number! FML.Hi mate,

Thanks for the PM, I replied to your inquiry, but as there is a matter relevant to many people I thought ID make a open comment. The period that you mentioned 22 Jan. Etc, is SMACK in the middle of CNY, which is the 28th of Jan. I believe, girls start leaving 1-2 weeks before CNY and come back 1 week after, so looking at your dates you really looking at 1 solid week were girls are at full strength possibly, I suggest you take a look at going to Thailand or Philippines or even Cambodia during some of those times.

[TomSf]

Hi mate,

Thanks for the PM, I replied to your inquiry, but as there is a matter relevant to many people I thought ID make a open comment. The period that you mentioned 22 Jan. Etc, is SMACK in the middle of CNY, which is the 28th of Jan. I believe, girls start leaving 1-2 weeks before CNY and come back 1 week after, so looking at your dates you really looking at 1 solid week were girls are at full strength possibly, I suggest you take a look at going to Thailand or Philippines or even Cambodia during some of those times.Thank you for the heads up Mutant Chicken. I am picking dates to go and I did not know they leave. Good stuff.

[Bald69]

Going to be in Saigon between Jan 28th. Feb 18th if anyone is interested in meeting up or can provide any assistance, send me a PM.

Cheers!

[TomSf]

Team,

Has anyone ever spend Christmas in Saigon? If so what is the hot toc and girl situation over there? I do know that Christmas is celebrated over there and is considered a big holiday there. So does that mean everything is closed down for a few days? Any help would be appreciated!

[Asian Rain]

Has anyone ever spend Christmas in Saigon? If so what is the hot toc and girl situation over there? I do know that Christmas is celebrated over there and is considered a big holiday there. So does that mean everything is closed down for a few days? Any help would be appreciated!There is no relevance of Christmas holiday to the mongering scene. It is not a holiday in Vietnam. The only obvious association to Christmas is decorations in hotels, shopping malls and the main street, which is more to drum up spending rather than celebrate the birth of Christ. Enjoy HCMC, AsianRain.

[TomSf]

There is no relevance of Christmas holiday to the mongering scene. It is not a holiday in Vietnam. The only obvious association to Christmas is decorations in hotels, shopping malls and the main street, which is more to drum up spending rather than celebrate the birth of Christ. Enjoy HCMC, AsianRain.Awesome, thank you! I am debating if I should do Christmas in Bangkok or Vietnam. First rule of traveling is plan you trip around big holidays because the girls many times want to be with family and friends.

[Manfield04]

Christmas is not a public holiday in Vietnam. So, the question of closed down does not arise. However, the New Year is a public holiday. Also the Tet festival is celebrated over a week. Next year, it will be from 26 January to 01 February 2017.


Has anyone ever spend Christmas in Saigon? I do know that Christmas is celebrated over there and is considered a big holiday there. So does that mean everything is closed down for a few days?

[SuperAntm]

Did a discovery search on Wechat last weekend. Most girls will quote $60ST / $120 LT and they'll go to your hotel room. They're very direct and will ask you if you want in room service. You can bargain them down, especially for daytime. I got this one to come over for $40 1 shot. She showered with me and gave OK service and was in a bit of a hurry.

[TomSf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL32StUuy1E

[Manfield04]

Thanks for sharing the video but the author does give any indication of the place and hotel. Anyway very nice one.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL32StUuy1E

[TomSf]

Thanks for sharing the video but the author does give any indication of the place and hotel. Anyway very nice one.Yes you are right and that's too bad. I think the video was filmed by a sex tourist. I would have like to have gotten more details. Where in Vietnam did this take place? Where did you find the pimp? How much ext. I have seen so older guys hanging in front of short time hotels telling me they would pay for the room and they can start calling girls and few time in Vietnam. My spider sense just went off and I could feel myself getting over charged and ripped off. The character of the touts if we can call them that were bad. They don't even try to act friendly and come at you gently like in China. It is more aggressive in Vietnam. With leaving you with a feeling is this guy going to physically rob me one I go up to the room.

The guy in the video did it right. He was in a 1 star or 2 star hotel and he was in control. I will be in Vietnam next month and hope to find this situation but I won't hold my breath.

[AmericanThief]

Did a discovery search on Wechat last weekend. Most girls will quote $60ST / $120 LT and they'll go to your hotel room. They're very direct and will ask you if you want in room service. You can bargain them down, especially for daytime. I got this one to come over for $40 1 shot. She showered with me and gave OK service and was in a bit of a hurry.With only one post not sure if this is authentic. She is of much better quality than most wechat girls, and surprised she settled for $40. She is more like what you find at an Asian Karaoke.

[AmericanThief]

Thanks for sharing the video but the author does give any indication of the place and hotel. Anyway very nice one.This is not Ho Chi Minh City.

[Asian Rain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL32StUuy1EExcellent video to show the various reactions of working girls arriving for their trick. The pimps he was using seemed to deliver a steady stream of fairly above average providers. I loved the reaction of the last two girls who flatly refused when confronted with the giant foreigner. Enjoy Vietnam, AsianRain.

[Geneva Guy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL32StUuy1EThis is too funny. Unfortunately we don't see his face. Could that be the issue hehehe.

I do love the girl that comes in and checks down his pants. Hahaha. Honestly most of those girls look like they'd split in half with a big dick in them.

I wish I had that problem hehehehe.

GG.

[MutantChicken]

Yes you are right and that's too bad. I think the video was filmed by a sex tourist. I would have like to have gotten more details. Where in Vietnam did this take place? Where did you find the pimp? How much ext. I have seen so older guys hanging in front of short time hotels telling me they would pay for the room and they can start calling girls and few time in Vietnam. My spider sense just went off and I could feel myself getting over charged and ripped off. The character of the touts if we can call them that were bad. They don't even try to act friendly and come at you gently like in China. It is more aggressive in Vietnam. With leaving you with a feeling is this guy going to physically rob me one I go up to the room.

The guy in the video did it right. He was in a 1 star or 2 star hotel and he was in control. I will be in Vietnam next month and hope to find this situation but I won't hold my breath.Details.

Where? Northern Vietnam.

Pimp? Often work at the hotel.

How much? He paid 200 k, I paid 150 k so I guess the pimp takes 50 k.

[Manfield04]

Thanks for your input. Can you give some more details please? Is it possible to tell where in Northern Vietnam as the region is very big and it is really difficult to guess.


Details. Where? Northern Vietnam. Pimp? Often work at the hotel.How much? He paid 200 k, I paid 150 k so I guess the pimp takes 50 k.

[TheRump]

Thanks for your input. Can you give some more details please? Is it possible to tell where in Northern Vietnam as the region is very big and it is really difficult to guess.In the comment section of the video, the OP said it was in Quat Lam. A beach town.

[TomSf]

In the comment section of the video, the OP said it was in Quat Lam. A beach town.http://www.thanhniennews.com/society/vietnam-official-draws-flak-for-calling-notorious-sex-towns-clean-2159.html

[SuperAntm]

With only one post not sure if this is authentic. She is of much better quality than most wechat girls, and surprised she settled for $40. She is more like what you find at an Asian Karaoke.I was in D1 backpacker area when I did this so it might be a location thing.

[Manfield04]

Thanks but not sure about that. Quat Lam was mentioned by a blogger, Josh Smith, who will go to Hanoi and will try to go to Quat Lam for a week. Another blogger, Jason Horton, wrote he experienced something similar in Vung Tau.


In the comment section of the video, the OP said it was in Quat Lam. A beach town.

[TomSf]

I was in D1 backpacker area when I did this so it might be a location thing.SuperAntm,

What app where you using? I would have probably met her in the lobby or in front of hotel first. Did you actually meet her and what was your experience?

[NguyetLang]

I was in D1 backpacker area when I did this so it might be a location thing.It is reasonable. 40 USD is more than 800 k VND. For locals, that is high end luxury. It may be one of those freelancer that has picked up the English language and venturing into backpackers area for higher paying customers. For the locals, this girl is typical 500 k range.

Enjoy Vietnam,

[TheRump]

Thanks but not sure about that. Quat Lam was mentioned by a blogger, Josh Smith, who will go to Hanoi and will try to go to Quat Lam for a week. Another blogger, Jason Horton, wrote he experienced something similar in Vung Tau.You are looking at 2 comments check the "replies" on Jason Horton.

[SuperAntm]

SuperAntm,

What app where you using? I would have probably met her in the lobby or in front of hotel first. Did you actually meet her and what was your experience?Hi TomSF,

I was using wechat. There's a discover function in there that allows you to chat with people nearby. Originally I told her to go straight up to my room but reception held her downstairs until I went to get her. Very much a starfish experience but at least she gave me a shower. You get what you pay for I guess!

[Manfield04]

Thanks. I had not noticed the comments. It is indeed in Quat Lam as per the author. Also, I think to go to Quat Lam, one must go to Nam Dinh from Hanoi and from there to Quat Lam. Well, I searched for Hotels but to avail. I don't know whether there is any good hotel around there.


You are looking at 2 comments check the "replies" on Jason Horton.

[ThomKatt]

Hey fellas,

Long post here. So I was in HCMC about two years ago during the Tet, which was a bad idea, since pretty much EVERYTHING was closed and I couldn't fully experience what the city had to offer. I had an ok time, so I chalked up that experience to poor timing. My second time here, only proved that my first time wasn't a fluke, and that it's actually the norm.

I missed out on a lot the first time around, and I got to check out Bu Vien street this time, and it was pretty cool. I went to kaka spa at around midnight, but the lights were off and I assumed they had closed. The girl at the front told me they were still opened and led me all the way upstairs for a Vietnamese massage (with thai + shiatsu) for 140 k. But she wasn't all that attractive to me, and she was a small girl, so probably wouldn't be able to get out all of the knots in my tight muscles. I felt bad when I asked for someone else because the look of disappointment on her face would make hitler cry. Anyways, she leads me back downstairs and offers me the other free girl, who wasn't bad looking at all, but then another beauty comes walking in and I asked for her, but it would be a 50 minute wait. So I go with the other girl, her name is Nhi, 23 and from Mekong, not bad looking with a pretty tight body. She does the massage, and a good job of it and asks if I wanted a happy ending. We start to negotiate, and she started at 800 k, holy crap! But I believe they always ask for the max rate and negotiate down, I counter-offer 300 k. It's late at night, and I have a raging hard on, so leverage was all on her side. We haggled for 10 minutes before we finally agreed to 600 k and I can touch everywhere. She gives an oily HJ and massages my taint, which I didn't really understand, but whatever, she's the expert and specialist. I grope her butt and boobs (nice and firm, small Bs), and fingerbang her hard (she was slightly wet before I even got there). After awhile, I unleash a bucket of juice onto myself. Overall, an ok experience. I generally don't do hjs, why pay someone when I can do it myself, but I guess it's part of the MP experience.

Hot Toc: I've been to legitimate hot tocs before, where a guy cuts my hair and a beautiful girl washes it and gives me a head and neck massage. I went to one on Bu Vien because they were open late and I needed a haircut and shave badly. This one was also legitmate. But I wanted to try the infamous Benny's. It's out in the open, with a security guy downstairs and the next available girl waiting to service you. I guess I came at a pretty busy time (it was 2 pm on a Monday) and I unfortunately got the least prettiest one there. Her name is Ngan, 25, and from somewhere I couldn't understand. She's on the chubby side. She took me upstairs and sat me down and felt me up and gave me a weak shoulder and neck massage. She sounded like she had a sore throat. The other girls that were there were ok looking as well, about a 5-6, but thinner than Ngan. Anyways, as I go in, a pretty good looking one finishes up (damn! 10 minutes later or earlier and I could have had a better choice). Takes you into a room, asks for 400 K and tells you to lie down. I can see into the room on my left. Ngan comes and cleans my junk with a wetnap, takes out her large Bs or small Cs and goes to town on me. I grope her, but she wouldn't get wet at all, it was damn near impossible to penetrate her. She didn't do a great job either, most of it was just a fast handjob while flicking my tip with her tongue. She doesn't deep throat, kiss / suck / tongue my balls, make sexy noises, nothing. The girl next to me was working it so hard, doing ALL of the things I mentioned, so I was getting off on her more than my own. Ngan does pretty much everything to avoid having to give the BJ, such as licking / sucking on my nipples. She also covers you from seeing her give the BJ, probably to hide that she isn't really giving you one. I'm ready to leave at this point, and push her head to my cock when I explode, she took most of it into her mouth and then immediately spits it out. She goes to the sink to clean and brush her mouth. We leave and I don't say a word.

My final night in HCMC and I thought I would try something that's been mentioned in the forums here. Wechat discover. So I contact about 30-40 women who I think are offering services. About 10 of them were legitimate regular women not selling services hahaha oh well. The rest I was negotiating price and having them show me more pictures of themselves. I've lived in asia for awhile, and these bitches never use real pictures. Not even when I date them from Tinder, Line, Wechat, TanTan, etc. It's the most frustrating shit in the world. So I thought I was clever by asking the women to do a video call to confirm what they look like. Of the 30 service providers, 20 provided more pictures, 3 actually went through with the video call. NONE of the 3 looked like the pictures they gave me. Holy shit, these bitches honestly think I wouldn't notice. 2/3 of the video calls weren't bad looking at all though. The one I wanted blocked me after I asked if I could cum in her mouth. The other girl, I finally went through with it and gave her my hotel name and room number, but she fucking flaked out. So now it's 1 am and I have no options. So I decide to head back to Bu Vien and check out those hostess bars that I see women sitting outside at the end of the street. I go to Me and You bar as there were a good 10 women there and I notice some pretty damn beautiful girls. I thought it was a massage parlor, or a blowjob caf, but it's a real bar, but tiny as hell enough to sit maybe 6 people total. Anyways, the bar owner gives me a line up, I chose this gorgeous half viet half Cambodian girl, who was born and raised in Cambodia but spent a good deal of time in Saigon. Unfortunately, I wanted to try a local girl to finish my full gamut of Vietnamese girl experience. After a couple of drinks, I tip her 100 K and send her away and ask her to send me the other hot girl. This girl look hot as hell, skinny and tiny, but what looked like sizeable breasts. I generally don't prefer very slim girls, but her face and breasts would override that. Anyways, negotiations go under way, I talked to the bar owner. The girl wants 3 M and 500 K bar fine. FUCKKKKKK that's expensive. But I had to have her. The look of worry on her face, she knew she was going to work for every cent, as I was going to smash her rotten. Once again, it's late at night and I have zero leverage, and I have an early flight tomorrow. He was willing to give me some discounts for 2 girls, take both for 200 k barfine total, or 300 k barfine total for 1 long time and 1 short time. Girl fee stays 3 M regardless. They have short time room available on site upstairs and a connection for a long time hotel a few doors down, but I had my own girl friendly hotel. Obviously the best deal is long time, but I wasn't too sure I can handle two women as I'm tired and it was getting pretty late, but I'm kind of regretting that I didn't. Anyways, I pay everything and go back to my hotel.

The girl's name is Yen, 24, has a 3 year old daughter, born and raised in Saigon. She showed me her passport which confirms everything she told me was true, but inspecting the picture on it, she was not good looking in it at all. This will haunt me later. She takes off her clothes, and her body was definitely not what I imagined it would be, her boobs went away instantly. We shower and get down to business. She gave the worst BBBJ every, lasted maybe 10 seconds and after I asked her to keep going after she tried to quit, another 10 seconds. She barely made contact with her mouth. She also refused to kiss me. This was getting pretty annoying and frustrating. So I finger bang her which warmed her up. Then I slip the hat on and I go mish, mish on the side of the bed, she rides (she rode for 10 seconds before giving up). She was much more open to kissing now, she was acting like she didn't want to enjoy it, but was actually enjoying it, like fighting with herself during the kissing and fucking. Then I doggy her and obliterate that viet pussy, and the look of her arched back and her ass (she had a pretty nice one for a tiny and skinny girl) while the noises she was making made me pop so hard. Then she goes into the fetal position with the blankets wrapped around her and she was out for the night.

Next morning I get frisky, and she was willing to let me go in her raw which I do, but only with the tip and only for maybe 1 minute. I tried to get her to suck me, but she refused it many times. I put the cover on and go in her in the spoon position. Then mish, then mish on the edge of the bed, then doggy and I start to cramp up. So I want her to do some work, I literally pick her up and have her bounce on my Johnson, and then let her take over, she rides in Asian cowgirl while holding onto my hands for balance and then 1 minute later switch to reverse cowgirl. But her makeup or eye lashes start to bother her and she just stops in the middle of the session and goes shower. Turns out she removed her makeup, and OMG, she was not the hottie I brought home last night, GOD DAMMIT! Anyways, she wanted to go home, and I told her I wasn't finished. Not wanting to look at her, I stroked myself while having her rub my balls lying down next to me, and then after 5 minutes she goes and uses her mouth to suck and tongue my balls. Eventually I brought her back up and then unleash my load all over her body. She goes to clean up, and asks for a taxi fare, I told her no. I watch her reapply her face and makeup for a good 10 minutes, and insert her breast pads. This biatch and her deception!

Well, it's always known that Vietnam isn't the best mongering destination out there, with so many better places close by, who'd want to come to Vietnam? I like Vietnam, the people are ok (although I accidentally gave a mototaxi four 100 K bills instead of four 10 K bills by accident and he ran off before I realized my mistake, so pay attention to your cash!) But I wouldn't go there specifically for the p4 p scene, heck I wouldn't even do it if I'm bored and horny. To each their own I guess.

Happy Mongering boys.

[NguyetLang]

Hey fellas,

Well, it's always known that Vietnam isn't the best mongering destination out there, with so many better places close by, who'd want to come to Vietnam? I like Vietnam, the people are ok (although I accidentally gave a mototaxi four 100 K bills instead of four 10 K bills by accident and he ran off before I realized my mistake, so pay attention to your cash!) But I wouldn't go there specifically for the p4 p scene, heck I wouldn't even do it if I'm bored and horny. To each their own I guess.

Happy Mongering boys.Sorry to hear that Saigon is not to your liking. If you prefer the SYT and variety, plus quick service and firm pricing, head to a couple of beach towns in the North, Do Son and Quat Lam are the two that I have had great experience. At Quat Lam, after checking you into a room, girls will be delivered at your door for your choosing, in Do Son a lineup in the looby will be standard. You can go through several girls in one day if you can muster it, just tell the boy when, he will bring the new girl at your demand. The best part: fixed-price. The last time I was there, about 2 year ago, 250 k for ST, 600 k for LT (3's / night), every girl, all the time, at every hotel (it is unwrtten agreement between all the bosses there).

Watch the video below, originally posted by Tomsf in post #4210, very much like my experience at Quat Lam, except that I was there for only a weekend and had about 2-3 girls / day. That guy in the video must be horny and hung like a horse.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PL32StUuy1E

Hope you have better luck wherever your travel next.

Cheers,

[PlayNice9]

Hi guys,

I am in Saigon for 3 days. Staying in new world Saigon hotel. Is this hotel girl friendly?

Need assistance in scoring in Saigon. Any contact or pointer will help.

Thanks.

[ThomKatt]

Sorry to hear that Saigon is not to your liking. If you prefer the SYT and variety, plus quick service and firm pricing, head to a couple of beach towns in the North, Do Son and Quat Lam are the two that I have had great experience. At Quat Lam, after checking you into a room, girls will be delivered at your door for your choosing, in Do Son a lineup in the looby will be standard. You can go through several girls in one day if you can muster it, just tell the boy when, he will bring the new girl at your demand. The best part: fixed-price. The last time I was there, about 2 year ago, 250 k for ST, 600 k for LT (3's / night), every girl, all the time, at every hotel (it is unwrtten agreement between all the bosses there).

Watch the video below, originally posted by Tomsf in post #4210, very much like my experience at Quat Lam, except that I was there for only a weekend and had about 2-3 girls / day. That guy in the video must be horny and hung like a horse.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PL32StUuy1E

Hope you have better luck wherever your travel next.


Cheers,Thanks for the awesome and encouraging words man. Yeah, I've seen that video and thought it was hilarious, although the quality of girls is a bit lower than what I like, but you can't complain when the priceses are rock bottom. I'm currently in pattaya right now and there's just something about it all here that makes it so much more preferable than Vietnam that I'm not willing to give it a third try.

Oh well, more for you fellas.

[Manfield04]

Bui Vien street is few meters away. You can get whatever you want.


Staying in new world Saigon hotel. Need assistance in scoring in Saigon. Any contact or pointer will help.

[Lefeu]

Hi guys,

I am in Saigon for 3 days. Staying in new world Saigon hotel. Is this hotel girl friendly?

Need assistance in scoring in Saigon. Any contact or pointer will help.

Thanks.I was there for a week, about a month ago, and I had the same problem. Finally, found the goods in Bui Vien street, plenty of bars with FLs.

[Clixtox]

Hi guys,

I am in Saigon for 3 days. Staying in new world Saigon hotel. Is this hotel girl friendly?

Need assistance in scoring in Saigon. Any contact or pointer will help.

Thanks.If you can afford to stay at the New World Hotel (Not known to be "girl friendly") then you can probably afford some of the high priced options available at catwalk, a "nightclub" conveniently located right next to your hotel. Otherwise try Apocalypse Now after 11 PM and / or Crazy Buffalo after 2 AM.

[PlayNice9]

If you can afford to stay at the New World Hotel (Not known to be "girl friendly") then you can probably afford some of the high priced options available at catwalk, a "nightclub" conveniently located right next to your hotel. Otherwise try Apocalypse Now after 11 PM and / or Crazy Buffalo after 2 AM.Thanks foe the reply. I checked on WeChat. It was a flood of girls. They we're so ever to come to my hotel. Is it good idea to engage a girl on wechat here? Can we trust we chat.

Secondly I have fixed a girl for 80 USD for night tomorrow. Is it safe to have girl for the complete night?

Thanks.

[SecondBlock]

Hi,

I live in Dong Nai province, VN and I am having a really hard time to find sex.

I have been here for one month and online dating sites /"massage places"/ and other hunting strategies did not produce any success.

I had a very bad BJ in a massage place and it seems that in VN sex is a hard thing to find.

Please where can I find a full service place in Saigon? I mean a decent full service, not a 10 min rushed session; I live 2 hrs away but I will make the trip.

Thank you very much.

[SecondBlock]

Did a discovery search on Wechat last weekend. Most girls will quote $60ST / $120 LT and they'll go to your hotel room. They're very direct and will ask you if you want in room service. You can bargain them down, especially for daytime. I got this one to come over for $40 1 shot. She showered with me and gave OK service and was in a bit of a hurry.Hi,

Can you please explain how you did the search on we chat? I am looking for the same service.

Thanks.

[Minmax321]

Thanks foe the reply. I checked on WeChat. It was a flood of girls. They we're so ever to come to my hotel. Is it good idea to engage a girl on wechat here? Can we trust we chat.

Secondly I have fixed a girl for 80 USD for night tomorrow. Is it safe to have girl for the complete night?

Thanks.Bro,

My personal experience, weChat girl in SG not really genuine, what I mean is they are not FL, most probably is controlled by OKT.

Because I chatted in wechat with them in English, but when they turn up, face not really looked like same person, also, some of them dunno English at all.

If you really wan to try, most of them will offer 50 $ for one shot, but you can always said 1 million vnd (about 45 $), they will accept.

Compare to wechat, I more prefer zalo (vn chatting apps), they FL girls there also pretty, and you can get them 400 k vnd - 800 k vnd, but the thing is, you maybe need to write a bit Vietnam language.

Cheer bro.

[FreebieFan]

Hi,

Can you please explain how you did the search on we chat? I am looking for the same service.

Thanks.Quite simple. Go to Discover and People Nearby.

If you download Fake GPS you can put yourself in centre of any city in world and see which ladies are nearby.

[PlayNice9]

Thanks foe the reply. I checked on WeChat. It was a flood of girls. They we're so ever to come to my hotel. Is it good idea to engage a girl on wechat here? Can we trust we chat.

Secondly I have fixed a girl for 80 USD for night tomorrow. Is it safe to have girl for the complete night?

Thanks.Thank so guys for the reply. Will it be a problem if the girl comes before 9 pm and stays till morning.

[AmericanThief]

I haven't been able to use the fake GPS because GPS locator is rooted into the iphone. Tango has a cool feature that you can drop a pin anywhere in the world and see others nearby. Some dating sites let you choose a location and you can look around.

Now it is well known that nearly all hot Wechat profiles are fake. Last time a wechat girl came to my room she thought I was a fool for not knowing that. Sometimes I can find real girls pro and non. Their profiles are active and full of new feeds. I have had good experiences with these girls.

Now about Zalo, I like it too, but I get these spam messages quoting 400 k and when I discuss this with the wechat girls they say its not real and they warn me that its a set up and I may get robbed. I'm assuming the Zalo profiles are just as fake as wechat ones. Usually the accounts are disabled after a day or two.

I have had don choi girls at 400 k and they too were not the same as the profile. The service wasn't bad, but the girls were very dark skinned. All in all this business model plays to the girls.

[Minmax321]

I haven't been able to use the fake GPS because GPS locator is rooted into the iphone. Tango has a cool feature that you can drop a pin anywhere in the world and see others nearby. Some dating sites let you choose a location and you can look around.

Now it is well known that nearly all hot Wechat profiles are fake. Last time a wechat girl came to my room she thought I was a fool for not knowing that. Sometimes I can find real girls pro and non. Their profiles are active and full of new feeds. I have had good experiences with these girls.

Now about Zalo, I like it too, but I get these spam messages quoting 400 k and when I discuss this with the wechat girls they say its not real and they warn me that its a set up and I may get robbed. I'm assuming the Zalo profiles are just as fake as wechat ones. Usually the accounts are disabled after a day or two.

I have had don choi girls at 400 k and they too were not the same as the profile. The service wasn't bad, but the girls were very dark skinned. All in all this business model plays to the girls.Agreed with you bro.

But I still prefer zalo girl than wechat girl, I found that the local Vietnamese will prefer to use zalo than wechat too.

[SgnShgr]

Does anyone know anywhere in the vicinity of Hai Ba Trung that I can go get a cheeky blowjob?

[Pipe Layer99]

Does anyone know anywhere in the vicinity of Hai Ba Trung that I can go get a cheeky blowjob?Go to NPK, just 8 minutes away.

[Tmackly]

Go to NPK, just 8 minutes away.Or Benny's.

[BlueBaron]

What is NPK? Where is it? How much? What about Benny's?

I arrive for my maiden visit to Saigon next week. Are things very active in the city during the Tet holiday? I'm really looking forward to the action.

[NguyetLang]

What is NPK? Where is it? How much? What about Benny's?

I arrive for my maiden visit to Saigon next week. Are things very active in the city during the Tet holiday? I'm really looking forward to the action.Nguyen Phi Khanh is a street, named after a high ranking scholar / diplomat in the XIV Century Vietnam. His son was even more famous in history, Nguyen Trai (also street name), was instrumental in helping King LE Loi to lead a successful independence war against the Chinese. That independence last for over 400 years until the French came to Vietnam.

Anyway, NPK is a street, you can find it on Google map, Benny's (a shop, not a street) too.

You are welcome for the short lesson in History.

Cheers,

[DjWhyTee]

Tet is probably the worst time to come for mongering. A lot of the girls will go back to their hometowns to be with their families and the ones that hang around will expect more money.


What is NPK? Where is it? How much? What about Benny's?

I arrive for my maiden visit to Saigon next week. Are things very active in the city during the Tet holiday? I'm really looking forward to the action.

[Pipe Layer99]

Wanted to find out if the bar-fine crap was true. Last year, I never heard of such non-sense here.

Started at a bar for drinks. Then walked all over the Bui vien area. Me and 2 buddies stopped and talked to girls at 3 bars. Yep, it's confirmed, they all tried to get a barfine to take the girl out. This was my 2 friends fist time here, so they waited right near the bar while I got the intel. I asked the girls upfront if they can come to the hotel. Had to as 3 x to get a damn answer. They each tried to get us to go sit first and drink (and of course they will want a drink too). By the 3rd time I asked, can you come to my hotel Yes or no? They all said yes, but you have to pay the bar. How much? Two places wanted 300 or 350. The other places wanted 500. And of course the girls wanted 1 m vnd for short time too. All 3 of us live in Thailand so we don't really care about grabbing a girl right away. We are here for fun, a little getaway for the usual. So we stopped in at the 3rd bar with about 8 girls. We had the girls come in for a line-up. We each took one and all had drinks. It's really cheap to drink here. Paid 385 k vnd for 6 drinks. About $17 usd. We were all going to take a girl just for the heck of it but only for a 200 donation. The gay ass manager tried to negotiate. 1. 5 m to take out. 500 k + 1 m for the girl. I typed on my phone, 200 for take out and we will pay the girl at the hotel. So we are willing to do 1. 2 total. Now get this! Next he says ok you pay 1. 5 and the girl will pay her own barfine. Dumbass. That's still 1. 5 total. This damn gay dude thinks he was slick. We said no. We will pay 1. 2 m total. 200 now, and we pay the girl later. He walks away. No problem. We all laughed at his dumb offer (which never changed from the original price). We kept fondling the girls and having fun. Finished our drinks, paid the bill and left. The girls seemed disappointed. But hey, they should have agreed to our price. In the end, the girls could have said ok to 1. 2 m. And that's good money for here.

[BlueBaron]

To DJWhyTee and NguyenLang, thank you very much. It is too bad that the action will be diminished for some of the time that I am in Vietnam, but I will try. And it is very interesting to know the background about those streets. Dien Bien Phu I believe was a famous battle against the French, therefore it is a good place to have a blow job. This would seem more meaningful if I was French.

Now I'm staying in the New World Hotel. There's a hair salon across the street called Mai Anh, at 60 Pham Hong Thai street, and there's pretty ladies in sexy dresses and high heels sitting there, making smile faces to me as I walk by. I noticed a couple more similar places around the corner on LE Anh Xuan street. Do anyone know about these places? There is a Burger King just about 2 doors up from Mai Anh hair salon.

I took Uber car 2 days ago and kept my same driver for some hours as I did some errands and sightseeing. When we had coffee he told me about some places to go see, and he said he can tell me more later.