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John Peter
08-10-04, 16:08
HCMC is a wonderful place.

I had got a nice chute and very beautiful lady in HCMC for only US $25 for a short time by a accident / chance.

Next day she called & asked me if she can spend night with me for only US $50.

She gave me her mobile number too. She told me she is married to a Foreigner. She likes to sleep with a nice man for her body needs, hence she charges money so little.

She told me to give her info to only Foreigners.

If you need PM me.

Enjoy Wonderful lady at very reasonable charges.

John

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DirtyOldMan
08-12-04, 15:22
Hello,

I will happen to go to SaiGon by mid October. I’ve been there in last November and enjoyed district 1 very much (I know most of the information that has been posted, but would be happy to answer directly to specific questions, if I can). Everybody knows that district 5 (Cho Lon) was famous in the past for its night activities. I visited the district but was just unable to locate anything!

To optimize my stay, I would appreciate if some experts could tell me if:

1 – ChoLon has still some (hidden) charms reletively to the basic topics ?

2 - If the answer is yes, is it possible to get some addresses of :

* some (clean) GF hotels to stay a long time,
* where are the SW operating,
* where to find good girls (P4P) for LT or LTR.

Many thanks in advance.

DOM

Member #2234
08-13-04, 10:15
Hmm.. wouldn't mind hearing more. Do you have any pics of this mistake/chance girl?

Batman
08-20-04, 07:16
OK HCMC Guys,
I will be there on friday the 27th. Who is up for a beer?

Batman
08-21-04, 20:20
WOW,
I am really dissapointed that NO one that is reading this post/thread is "In Country" what's up with that?

Member #2234
08-23-04, 01:03
I wish I could meet up, but I am not due back in VN until around November

Magnet45
08-23-04, 21:55
Does anyone have any feedback on the girls at the nightclub or
karaoke bar in the Amara Saigon?

Poppasan
08-24-04, 01:47
Well if you stay there until December, I will have a beer with you. My friends and I will be there from December 20-January 4th. I will check this forum and maybe hook up with anyone in here for Remy and soda.

Batman
08-24-04, 20:33
Thanks for your reply Member #2234. It looks like its going to get down to the wire on this visit.
2 days and counting down.
This will be the first location (out of 20) I have been to where there was no one to show me the sights. What a shame.

Magnet45
08-25-04, 15:30
Hi all,

Does anyone have any feedback on the nightclub and karaoke in
the Saigon Amara?

Austin Power
08-26-04, 04:41
Finally, I was able to get my membership upgraded Thanks for all the helpful information. I will be in saigon in Xmas. Can't wait to see my Viet GF.

AP

Wendella
08-26-04, 19:29
it seems as if the space that used to be speed has reopened -- not sure but there's a brand new hotel there, with signs for a disco/nightclub called gossip attached to it. haven't been inside, so no idea what it's like now, but this is exactly where speed was.

i'm in hcmc but i dont' know of any 'charms' or hotels in cholon, sorry.

Wendella
08-26-04, 19:57
Batman...

to find lower priced girls, go to bars in Pham Ngu Lao: Sahara (better) or Lost in Saigon... there you'll find much cheaper girls. Typical is 500,000 overnight.

Austin Power
08-27-04, 01:13
Hi Dom,

You can check out the hair salonsgirls in Tran Hung Dao Q5 between Hang-Chau Hotel and Hang Long Hotel (At least 6 or 7 of them within two blocks).

I normally spent 1 hour with the girl just to massage and check out her body. If I like her, I will ask her to stop by my hotel. The normal rate is 350,000D to 500,000D for ST and 500,000D to 1,000,000D for LT depend on girls.

Don't know any G friendly hotel in Cholon. All the one I know now closed. I normally traveled with another guy, I rent two rooms but only register one room and never had problem bring girls to any hotels in Vietnam.

AP.

Fred Gold
08-28-04, 00:40
Hi,

For the first time I’m going to Bangkok, Hanoi, Hue and HCMC. I only speak English and am looking for suggestions as to where to find ‘some company’ who speaks some English. In other places I’ve gone into a department type store to ‘shop’ and if I found one to my liking, I’d strike up a conversation and ask if she could help me find some place for dinner and help me sightseeing the next day. I also offer to pay her for her day(s) of lost wages at the store. Is this a good approach also in Thailand and VN?

Where else can I have a good chance of finding an English speaking friend?

Thanks,

Fred

Batman
08-29-04, 06:29
Hey Wendella I am in the area close to the New World Hotel (distict 1) now and things are going well. I will post a complete report /pictures next week.

El Frances
09-02-04, 10:06
Hello!

One comment: Pham Ngu Lao girls often steal. One even stole my condoms because I had locked everything else! Take care!

Fred Gold, I'm not sure I understand your question. If you are looking for friends, it should be easy, just by hanging around (but I doubt people would leave their job like that). If you are looking for freebies to make love with, whatever the way, the probability is extremely low.

Batman
09-02-04, 16:27
Ok I am back from Saigon.

The good news is that the area around Pham Ngu Lao (near the New World Hotel)is a perfect location for the budget minded traveler. Lots of backpackers and foreigners and a laid back crowd

I was able to sit in many outdoor type bars and the girls come right up to you no pimps or touts (some mamas will make introductions in some places).

I found a girl friendly hotel very close by for $18 per night all they wanted is the girls ID (which I like).

I did a couple of the so called BJ bars but they were way over priced or maybe it was just cause I am a white guy

I do feel that the girls are scared about being busted (they dont carry condoms) and the hotels get in big trouble if they get raided so I will not publish any names or pictures with this report.
PM for more info.

The scene seems underground and controled by "mafia"
I never paid more than 500,000 for all night and 3 nights was able to get what I wanted for 400,000 LT

Motor bike drivers are crazy beer is good, cold and cheap (Tiger) I won a keychain.

I tried the massage place at the Phu Tho Hotel (district 11)and it was a great massage ( one of the best ever)but nothing extra 75,000 for one hour ( I got 2 hours)

I still prefer PP

Nauskas
09-04-04, 01:32
Good news for those who Enjoy Vietnam.
Service is direct from SFO and LAX
I personally hope to catch an E-fare down the road.

United is adding new service into Asia! Flights to Vietnam start in December, so start planning your trip now with these great introductory fares.

http://www.united.com/page/article/0,6722,50064,00.html

On The Road
09-04-04, 19:37
Travel Report

Follows from the VIETNAM / OTHER AREAS section.

Ho Chi Minh City:

Hotel: Hotel Than Long, Mac Thi Buoi St, Dist. 1
Price: US$ 18. Breakfast included.
GF?: Yes. The night doorman said to me that I had to pay US$5 for the night guest, but when I checked out I had no such charge on my bill.
Notes: Ok hotel, just in the middle of the action, 50 meters from U2!

Day 1:
Went to a bar just left of our hotel (liquid?), but the girls were too pushy and went away.
Saw so many stunners on Club 51, and in club 49 nearby!
Went to Paradise "Pool Parlour", but it was COMPLETELY dark, and we didn't like it. Monkey bar was "same same", you can't see anything inside.
In the Phan Ngu Lao Area, so many beautiful girl in the back seats of many motoguys. The guy approaches you offering "sex massage", but did not checked them.
Be really carefull with them, everybody say they try to stole everything!

Day 2:
Foot Massage in Phan Ngu Lao, no action at all.
Went to the Volcano Disco, in Phan Ngu Lao area, no entry fee. So many stunners, so many japanese overpaying everything! We ran away... no action for you if you don't want to spend lots of money.
No more girls on motorbike, but so many young guys on bicycles cycling around the area making sound with so unusual "bells". You'll notice them, ask them for the girls.
I looked for, but I wasn't able to find, those bars: Greenfield, Green hill, Hoang Pen Bar, Cafè window, Linda, Long Phi. Apocalypse Now was closed down.
Went very late to the U2 bar (picture in photo gallery), 'cos there was this very beautiful girl (9 in my personal scale) outside, name Ann.
I was the only coustomer, and there were more than 30 girls available inside, mot of them good looking. Tiger beer was 30.000 VND, lady drink 50.000 VND. Ann asked me US$70 for LT, bargained at US$ 60.
LT turned in a Medium Time (three hours), but I had two great sessions, with maybe the best BBBJ in my life, and very good and passionate FS. It worth all the money.

Day 3:
Went to Riverside Hotel massage, on D Ton Duc Thang, close to Me Linh Sq.
80.000 VND 45' body massage, 150.000 VND for a 90' session with sauna available. Choose the 45' session if you don't like sauna, 'cos she's not able to massage you for more than one hour.
HJ tip 200.000 VND minimum, and she was very scared in performing it. She acted the HJ under the towel looking everywhere very suspicious! Not so relaxing.
"Take away" available, but I didn't like her so much. Not a great experience, btw.
Just close there were the famous "Club 17", and was really full. It seems to be not a girl bar, but was able to spot some good looking freelancers.

It follows in the CAMBODIA / PHNOM PENH section.

Dana
09-08-04, 00:34
hey guys,
I usually post in the Thailand section, and I need some quick help on HCM city. I am supposed to go there in just a few weeks, and have no idea where to stay, what to see, ect.
I'm meeting one girl that told me I can get a VISA at the airport as long as I have the hotel intinerary. Is it true? Can somebody recommend a moderate to low cost hotel that you can bring a girlfriend to? PM me if you have any info. Sorry to interrupt this thread. I'll post when I return. Thanks!

Lance Toronto
09-08-04, 03:13
You can get a visa at the airport, but don't, takes forever... Check the WEB, there are lots of companies who can process the Visa for you for a fee, and if your in a hurry, it's the fastest. If your and American or Canadian, you can send your passport, photo and a filled out application to your local VN embassy, take about 3 days turnaround.

Hope this helps/

Lance Toronto

Dana
09-08-04, 03:27
Domino,
Thanks for the link. Yep, I'm a US citizen, but I'll most likely be flying there from Thailand. I'm trying to read through all these posts and gather info since I'm a total newbie to Vietnam. I've spent years in Asia, but this is my first trip there. I'm trying to do it a bit on the cheap, but still have some decent level of comfort. Thanks.

GoodEnough
09-08-04, 15:14
Dana:

I would recommend that, if you're in Bangkok, you go to the Vietnamese Embassy there, fill out an application, and you can get your visa a day later. You need to smile alot, and tell them you would really appreciate any assistance they can give you. You might also have to show them a round trip ticket. This is exactly what I have done three times, and it's always worked well.

Have a great time.

GE

Shiofuki
09-10-04, 07:38
ItalyontheRoad,

I stayed at the same hotel on Mac Thi Buoi in March. Decent place for the money I thought, and the proximity to U2 (and other interesting places) was quite good.

Dana
09-14-04, 23:59
Good enough,
Thanks for the recommendation on getting the VISA in Bangkok.
I'll be leaving soon, but still have no clear idea on where to stay or what part of the city is best for me. There is one girl I plan on meeting, but in case that is short lived can anyone pm me with some help? I downloaded about 20 pages from this forum, but the topics are all over the place. Thanks!

Member #2234
09-19-04, 23:46
Yo guys!

Long time no speak.

Anyway, to all who know me, can I ask who will be in HCM beginning of November? Me going back end of October so would love to meet up for a drink.

ManonsanBoy
09-20-04, 23:26
Defef

Did you ever get an answer to whether the OMNI is girl friendly?

Fred Gold
09-21-04, 11:17
Thank you El Frances,

Also guys, is there much of a chance of being hassled by police if I take a girl back to my hotel (assuming it is GF) for either ST or LT?

In reading reports, it seems that the best thing to do on checking into a hotel is to register for two people and not one (lol if traveling alone). There is less chance of a hassle? Is that right?

Thanks,

Fred

Member #2597
09-21-04, 15:42
No I don't think the Omni is girl friendly. The hotel I stay at is Thanh Long on Pham Thai in Dist. 1. It cost about 15 usd per night and the rooms are very clean. they will even call in girls for you at night.

ManonsanBoy
09-21-04, 23:41
I am trying to remember.

Any of you up to posting a map of all those wonderful hotels and discos etc?

Gaolei
09-25-04, 01:56
I asked this in the proper area, but got no response, so let me try here.

Anyone been around the new resort area near the Furama South of Danang? I will be in that area in a month for about 5 weeks. I have heard nothing about it from the monger point of view.

Explorer88
09-26-04, 22:16
Here's a quick report.

U2 is a sure thing. The girls are all in there in skirts with no skivvies underneath. Before you bar fine a girl, you know exactly what you are getting.

Had a nice GFE session with Ahn. She took us to a local hotel. $30 for the room. $2 for 2 condoms.

Showered, massage, Ahn on top first session, doggie second. 2 hours later, I took her back to the bar for a drink, went back to my hotel (Renaissance in walking distance to U2 and ATMs) and slept it off.

US$80 for the night.

Austin Power
09-27-04, 01:02
Hi,

I will be back to Saigon in Xmas. Can anyone recommend some good places for Beer-Om and Karaoke bar with good choice of girls. The places I visited in the past in Q8 area either closed or all went down hill when I visited last year. Any info will be very helpful. Thanks

AP

Canyon
09-27-04, 01:29
Where is U2? Also, how much did you tip Ahn?

Canyon

Canyon
09-27-04, 04:18
Where is U2? Also, how much did you pay Ahn?

Canyon

Lustforthrust
09-27-04, 05:04
Heres my experience of mid August this year. I hooked up with one curvy SW between the US & British Consulates. Walked a good 300 yards to the Sofitel Plaza with her and she was munching on some fruit and spitting out the seeds all over the street (managed to stick that fruit in my pocket eventually). Got stopped by the Security in the Hotel, it was a couple of minutes past the H Hour; the Chief waved me through with a plea to be done quickly.

In the elevator she indicates to me that she likes the Hotel. We walk into my Suite and she asks me if I have condoms. The SWs do not carry condoms in HCM! Get this, she calls the Operator and aks for Room Service, guess she asks for condoms cause they do not show up. Five minutes later I kick her out. She is afraid she'll be busted as she leaves the Hotel - the hell with her, I have a case of blue balls!

Member #2234
09-27-04, 08:51
Hey guys,

Me back in HCM at end of Oct, anyone wanna meet up?

Also just out of curiousity is there anyone here on this board from UK?

Columpuss
09-30-04, 07:40
Austin

Beer om is not the trend any more, I don't know what other guys think but there are so many rip off establishments that many have shy away. The ones that go there are usually old and rich local officials or business man who have reputations and money to burn. Stay away from them unless someone introduced you to a legitimate one and there are few.

I prefer to get a number from friends or maybe for you. a member in the forum can pm you. Or go to a legitimate bar to pick up a girl. I also like to go to the "barber shops" on Dien Bien Phu to get a bj and if you like the girl you can met her after work or something. Be careful and have fun

Member #2783
09-30-04, 21:15
Hi all WSG members,

I am new to this forum. And I am so happy that I had been upgrade as a Regular Member! By the way, I will be at VN at the end of November. If anyone want to have some beer, feel free to PM me. Thanks!

Austin Power
10-01-04, 01:17
Thanks Columpuss,

I agreed. I was in Saigon early this year and every one of them try to rip me off. Eas not like that few yeras ago. The the beer-om girls asked me to tips the Mamasan 200,000D, The girls gave me a BJ only get 150,000D. Why should I tip her?

I love those barber shops but only limited to tye area in Cholon (close to Dong Khank Hotel). Can you tell me where is the barber shops in Dien Bien Phu? I think I know the street but can you tell me which section? Any good bars to pickup girls? Thanks!

AP

Shiofuki
10-01-04, 03:41
U2 has good memories for me.

It is on Mac Thi Buoi St, a few doors down from the "fake" Hard Rock Cafe.

I went on two of the three nights I was in HCMC in March. The first night, I was making out with this cute tiny thing within 2 mins of walking in the door. Had whatever passed for underwear completely off and in my pocket and her white blouse undone and bra unhooked in the 3rd minute.

We played around a while longer, she was doing extensive playing with me, and then we went to a corner in the back for BBBJTCIMWS. US$15 equiv IIRC.

Two nights later went back and picked a different girl. They have a room upstairs (but you have to go outside to get to the stairs). DFK, BBBJ, covered FS for US$20.

I probably overpaid a bit for both, but wasn't in the mood to haggle very much, since I was tired after my daytime work.

Ruf66
10-02-04, 12:47
Staying at the Sheraton - any action in the hotel or nearby?

Thanks - have read a lot of reports but HCM is new to me - Hong Kong my usual place.

Ruf66
10-09-04, 23:00
No Info here. Come on Guys...

Austin Power
10-10-04, 04:57
You can always go to massage inside the hotel for a HJ (or any hotels near by). Any Cyclo or Motor bike guys waiting around any street conner also a good source to ask for info. They will bring you a girls to you within 15 to 30 minutes.

Your 2nd option is walk around the city hall area. They will come to you. The city hall is only 5 minutes walk from your hotel.

Your hotel will not allow you to take girls to your room after 10pm unless you book a 2nd room for the girl. I suggestion is take the girl to your room during the day, most hotel only require the girl register in the front desk.

M_Charlus
10-10-04, 07:14
Yes, in the restaurant club-bar upstairs. When you get out of the elevators, turn left.

Member #2234
10-13-04, 22:29
Yo guys! I will be back in VN on the 25th! Anyone wanting to meet up then PM me for my mobile number.

Viet Vet
10-15-04, 13:47
Hi,

All members and anyone else reading this report. I along with my friend have been to HCM 6 times and on each visit we have had a great time .Re karaoke bars steer clear of them unless taken to one by a local that you trust as the last one cost us 4 million dong ,still a good night though.

Try the Red Door its a great bar just around the corner from the smiley bar ,that is a fantastic place great ladies also the famous U2 all reports are true

Canyon
10-16-04, 04:31
Viet Vet,

Where is the Red Door? Number and Street? Give us more details on why you liked the place.

Zergut
10-19-04, 23:43
Guys,

I'll be in HCMC on Nov 19 until around 24th then I'll be up in Hanoi. If anyone else going to be around during that time, let me know. I would love to meet up for a beer or something. My local cell number during that time is: 0913578850.

As part of the discount for my flight with NWA, I am forced to spend a night in Singapore. So, I'll be there on the night of the 18th if anyone else going to be there that night. I'll also post this on the singapore section.

Lastly, anyone know what frequency are in used for GSM cell phones in VN? I found some references to GSM 1800 but, I also heard that 1900 may also work. I want to purchase a used cell phone to bring over there and don't want to get stuck with a useless brick.

Thanks,
---Z

Member #2234
10-20-04, 00:05
VN only works on 900mhz

Trust me, I own a phone shop there ;)

Fred Gold
10-20-04, 09:20
Good Question

When you get the answers, can you share the info here?

Thx,

Fred

NobuSFO
10-21-04, 22:23
Hey,

I will be in Saigon on Nov 13. Would you like to hook up for a drink? Will call you when I'm there.

Cheers mate,

Tom

Zergut
10-25-04, 00:15
Tom, and others:

Just give me a call when you get to SG. I'll add more time to my phone once I get there. I am currently working on a few leads but, I heard that it is very easy to get anything you wanted in SG. So, this might not be needed. Is the city still shutdown after midnight like in Hanoi? I know that the goverment has an on going policy for all commercial stores to close at midnight but, after all this is SG.

---Z

RatuFreddie
10-30-04, 05:27
short update:

in the disco scene apocalypse now is dead, nothing happening at all. waste of time and money, esp now that priices for drinks have doubled. only known happening spot with many freelancers is the niteclub level 23 in the sheraton. not for the budget minded!
apart from this there are a couple of discotheques with 99% vietnamese patrons, which usually have their share of fl's. they'll find you. environment is very loud, very crowded, very dark, ...for example speed.

girliebars on hai ba trung are working, nothing much has changed here.

after 12, when all above mentioned places are closing (with exceptions), your best bet would be to go to the backpacker area around hai ba trung street and visit the beer bars there. very mixed scene with lots of freelancers and the vn "in" crowd. prices are lower than for the example in sheraton, as it is late and these gitrls are obviously left over or on ther second stint, and it is the backpacker area. starts at around vnd 300.000 for a one time shot, depending on the girl. lt never more than 50 usd, please. some of these bars close very late (early), 5 or 6 am.

another good option, for those willing to go this way, are all the vietnamese dating and chat sites. load and loads of girls, have to sift through and sort out the ones wanting to get married and so on, there is still a good selection left over. if you are in hcmc you can usually meet them on very short notice for a coffee. these are not professional girls, they are looking for romance, adventure, marriage, whatever. don't offer them p4p, buy them presents.

ho chi minh is really bulging with girls, and believe me, at least half of them want to f**k a foreigner. but it is not thailand, nothing is in your face.

Big Bossman
11-01-04, 02:32
Ratufreddie,

Thank you for the update. I'll be there in three week's time and i cannot wait.

Those dating and chat sites, any web site addresses you suggest? I would love to line up a non-pro.

Peace.

Prosal
11-03-04, 13:32
After 12, when all above mentioned places are closing (with exceptions), your best bet would be to go to the backpacker area around Hai Ba Trung Street and visit the beer bars there. Very mixed scene with lots of freelancers and the vn "in" crowd. Some of these bars close very late (early), 5 or 6 am.


Ratufreddie, thanks for the report.

As you mention Hai Ba Trung area, what are the best currents late-night bars to meet the "in crowd" cutties and the best freelancers ?

Also any recommandation for some "before disco" good bars/happy hours, with this kind of crowd ?

Thanks

Green Gopher
11-06-04, 22:18
Hello everyone!

I will be traveling to Vietnam end of December and would just like to introduce myself onto the board. Alot of very useful information here and hopefully when I return I will be able to do a full right-up.... I plan on traveling throughout VN from HCM to Hanoi while visiting numerous area's along the way. It's just me and another friend and really the only thing I am quite worried about is getting ripped off b/c we are viet kieu and this will be our first time in VN.

I sort of have the travel bug so I look forward to exploring the untamed parts of VN.

PS When in VN is it possible to get a cell phone service activated for 1 month? I am told to bring a bunch of old cellular phones back to VN as they are wanted.

Thank you very much,

I'll be looking forward to adding much info to this section.

Hamilton W
11-07-04, 14:38
My 4th trip to SE Asia is coming up and I've provided much info in the Thailand section over the past 18 months. Been to Thailand, among other places, three times now.

I'm going to VN for the first time beginning Nov. 15 and staying for four to seven days. If anyone here will be there during that time frame, please pm me.

After reading the archives for about an hour (starting from 2002 posts), I got burned out and started reading the recent ones backwards, so, I hate to say this, but I'm looking for some clift notes. It's clear this is different from the Thailand scene. If someone could please take a few moments to help out a Senior member, that would be awsome.

So, in a nutshell, here's what I'm looking for:

1) Hotels - "Friendly", reasonably priced, clean, good location. Please provide some details and recommendations.

Do hotels have safes? Seems advisable only to carry small amounts of cash, copy of US passport, and carry all valuables in secure travel wallet.

2) Night Scene - how to, where to go, do's & don'ts, is the midnight closure in effect, what time do things get started, dance and discos, etc.

3) Day (non-sexual) tourist activities

Since I'll only be in HCM for less than one week, I'd like to make the most of this trip and not spend the whole time trying to figure things out.

I plan to continue to read-up here as much as I can, but it's hard to absorb eveything all at once.

Big Bossman
11-08-04, 01:11
Hamilton W. -

I also need info. (your items 1 +2) for HCM as I'll be there for a spell starting Nov. 22. Anybody please share your advice.


As for the touristy things to do, my research show the following:
1. Chu Chi tunnels/ Cao-Dai temple ( for some info.: http://www.mishalov.com/Vietnam_Cu-Chi.html and http://www.offtherails.com/caodai.html )

2. Take a day or overnight tour to the Mekong Delta region (an travel agent can set you up for such a trip).

3. In the city itself:
-War remnants museum
-Ben Thanh Market
-Notre Dame Cathedral
-HCM's own Chinatown
-a slew of bars and restaurants to discover

Good luck and I hope also that somebody shares some more info..

BBM

Zergut
11-16-04, 03:09
I'll be in HCMC on the 20th. Have a few girls line up. They will help me get a hotel there and maybe introduce me to some girl friends of theirs. Email me at zergut2014@yahoo.com with your email so that I can send you my phone number once I get there. I would love to have a wingman on during my trips to the bars and discos. Let me know if you would be up for it.

---Z


Hello everyone!

I will be traveling to Vietnam end of December and would just like to introduce myself onto the board. Alot of very useful information here and hopefully when I return I will be able to do a full right-up.... I plan on traveling throughout VN from HCM to Hanoi while visiting numerous area's along the way. It's just me and another friend and really the only thing I am quite worried about is getting ripped off b/c we are viet kieu and this will be our first time in VN.

I sort of have the travel bug so I look forward to exploring the untamed parts of VN.

PS When in VN is it possible to get a cell phone service activated for 1 month? I am told to bring a bunch of old cellular phones back to VN as they are wanted.

Thank you very much,

I'll be looking forward to adding much info to this section.

Green Gopher
11-17-04, 04:14
Anybody know where I can get tickets to fly out from LAX to Vietnam for the end of december beginning january time frame? my travel agency screwed up and me and my buddy are out of our tickets. We had a pretty sweet deal going on too.... Thanks if anybody has any useful info PM me and beers on me in Vietnam ;)

Poppasan
11-18-04, 00:54
My friends and I will be there from the 15th to the 24th. PM me if you want to hook up. Lets go crazy for 1 week. I can't wait.

B Bardill
11-19-04, 03:42
Try Nova travel online, they might have something, I have used them before and are usuallyl pretty reliable. www.novatravel.com


Anybody know where I can get tickets to fly out from LAX to Vietnam for the end of december beginning january time frame? my travel agency screwed up and me and my buddy are out of our tickets. We had a pretty sweet deal going on too.... Thanks if anybody has any useful info PM me and beers on me in Vietnam ;)

Zergut
11-22-04, 14:13
I got in to HCMC on Monday. Met some friends and just learn my way around today. HCMC is more expensive then Hanoi by almost 2X. The standard ST is 200KVD with your own hotel to 300KVD for staying at theirs. The overnight fee is 500KVND for 7 hours at your hotel. I have not try at their hotel. Do not try the Pham Ngu Lao area. There are nothing there except for some druggies. Most of the contacts on this board are out of date. Apocalyse, U2 and other places sucks big time. Your best bet would be to go to a bar or a dance hall and get a phone number to call back the next day. The girls at the bars are paid to drink with you and they will do almost anything to get continue client at their table. If they don't have steady client, they get fired.
I have a few pictures I will post when I get back. I found a few big boobs girls but most are short. The taller ones are rather skinny. My contact number is 0909445001 if anyone wants to hang out. I am heading out to 'thu duc' tomorrow with a local guy who know places to go. I also heard that Bien Hoa is nice so, I might check that out.

---Z

Zergut
11-24-04, 06:34
OK. As promised, here are some more info. Last night I went to a bar/discotechque called VIVAS on 69 Huynh Thuc Khang. The girls there are cute. But the story is you have to pay for a bottle of of rum, gin, vodka or what ever. The girl will come to help you drink and serve you. She will also dance with you and you can feel her up. You will need to tip her about 50kvd to 100kvd to get her phone number so, that you can call her later when she is not working. It is a long process and not all of the girls can speak English. The girls told me that they have 1 day off a week and if you call her to reserve her table and come to the bar 3-4 times a week then she will go out with you on her day off. Girls there work from 5PM until 2AM on working days so, do not listen if they ask you for money with the promise that they will go with you later that day. I also went to another bar and found a girl who would do almost anything you want if you reserve a table at the bar with her a few night. I forgot the place name but it is near where I stay. Her name is Bich Van and her phone is 0908895672.
I also went to a steam bath/massage place about 100 meter from the corner of Nguyen Kiem and Ho van Hue in Phu Nhan district. You pay the front desk 50KVD to have a steam room then about 1 hour of straight massage. If you tip the girl about 150-200KVD then you can get a hand job.
At night I took a taxi and told him that I want him to find me a girl for the night. He took me to a group of lout on XeOm and had them drive a few girls out for me to look. I saw one that I like and took her back to my hotel for 500KVD overnight. I have her sister (also her boss) phone number if anyone wants to call but, they do not speak English so you will need a translator to tell them what you want. I found out that she had only been working for about a week. Her name is Phuong and her boss is Lien. As her boss to send her to your hotel for 200KVD for 1 hour or 500VND for overnight.
So far, HCMC proved to be a tough nut to crack for the types of girls I want. It just take way too much time to build up a contact list.
I am heading to Vung Tau today so, I'll post what I find there when I get back to HCMC. Hope the above help someone.

Member #2634
11-26-04, 10:29
Hi fellow mongers,

Coming in to HCM on 16th Dec for 2 days from Honk Kong. I am originally from bombay. Staying at the Sheraton. I need help in fuguring out where to monger and for how much. I would love to meet up for a drink at the hotel.

EDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions to add standard capitalization throughout the text. To avoid delays in future reports, please refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no capital lettering. Thanks!

Big Bossman
11-30-04, 12:12
Hey all, some news on my time in HCMC. As zergut points out, it is not easy here. I am sure that if one has time to make the contacts, they'll be fine, But working with a few days is a diff. story.

1. Some guys ride around on bicycles offering to get you a mass.. S'm kinda hesitant to try this again after the guy took me to *his* place. no no no and I left fast.

2. Street walkers. It's not as though I saw tons of them, but upon going back to my hotel one evening, two of them found me. THANK GOD! Otherwise i'd be spanking the monley aain that evening. I took 'em both for $60 for the remainder of the evening. It was pretty much standard motions with them, though all attention was on me and not with each other. Too bad as I would've enjoyed that.

3. Girl friendly hotels ... don't think they exist unless you start paying off the hotel reception. The ladies menioned above took me down to some local hotel which (probably a family member) gave them a room for us.

Some taxi guys offered some ladies ... but i was hesitant between them and the other street guys offering $5 bags of pot, i stayed away ... felt like I was being set up for a bust. Just paranoid I guess, but that was my gut instinct.

Overall - it's not BKK. if whoring is your goal, be prepared to do some leg work ... then share the info. with us!

Zergut
12-06-04, 05:03
Just got back from my trip to HCM, Singapore and Hanoi and like to share some info. First off, I think I like Hanoi better. The girls there have better attitute and have whiter skin. But, back to the fact finding. In HCM I found 2 hotels that are very girl friendly. One is in the Phu Nhuan/Go Vap area and the other is in the Tan Binh district. Of the two, I prefer the one in Phu Nhuan district better. The rate was around 150KVD or about 10USD/day. I brought girls to either one without having the girl provide ID and most of the time I arrive with the girl around 1-2AM. The second hotel is managed by very friendly 3 northen girls. I was hitting on the manager, cuter of the 3, but, was too busy to follow-up. The addresses are:

Lacapro hotel - 270/6 ho van hue 2, phu nhuan district, 08.8423808
Ngoc Diep hotel - E10 Xuan Hong, Tan Binh district, 08.852109

Now to the girls. I found a few leads but, many of these do not speak English so, get the hotel manager or an interpreter to order for you. Prices are around 350kvd to 500kvd for overnight. If they send someone you don't like you can send back and ask for another.

Lien: This woman has 2 girls working for her and she has contact for more. Her number is 0913757306. She is based near Phu Nhuan district

Ty: This guy has 2 girls working for him and he also has contact for more. His number is 0909365832. He is based near Dien Bien Phu avenue close to the airport.

Quang: This guy is a middleman. He go off and find the girls for you for a fee. His number is 0918044476.

There are also numerous street walker around most of the parks. They do not stand around but are on back of XeOm. If you get your own XeOm to ride around the streets after 11PM they will approach you. They will ride next to you while negotiating a price. Just get a XeOm guy to take you around looking for them.

I also went to numerous massage parlor and billard shops and found that YMMV. Most will offer hand-job for around 100KVD-150KVD or around 8-10USD. The billard place will usually try to get you to buy expensive beer while sitting with a girl and feel her up while she either give you a hand-job or blow but, usually in the open where others can watch. I am not too much into this. Two place I tried are:

TTDV Massage: 368 Dao duy Anh, Phu Nhuan district, 8423997
and other around 20 Hoang Van Thu

for the billard: Rang Dong Bar, and U2. Both are on Thi Sach street, district 1. The address for Rang Dong is 15C/2 Thi Sach.

I tried to hit on the bar maid here and it turn out to be the owner's (woman) daughter. Off course she did not want to go out with me...

Also, When I was in HCM I meet a fellow monger (A... from Cali) I lost your phone. Can you PM me...

Austin Power
12-09-04, 03:39
Hi Zergut,

I will be in Saigon next week and will try to contact some of the numbers listed. Any suggestion? I just try to save them a trip and bring the right girls to me. I have no problem communicate with them. Just lookingfor some young cuties. thanks !

AP

Poppasan
12-14-04, 00:16
Yes. The day has finally arrived. I am leaving for Saigon tonite and will be there on Wedsday. If anyone wants to help me with numbers please post contacts. Zergut...I am gonna call some of the numbers you posted. I hope they have enough girls. There will be 13 of us guys going. YES! I am finally gonna be back in Saigon.

Member #2634
12-24-04, 04:04
Hi all,

Was in HCM on 16th & 17th nites. Stayed at sheraton. Ventured out of the hotel on first evening and was immediately accosted by a dude wanting $3 for a one hour tour where het gets me a woman. So I sat behind his bike and away we went. rode around for nearly 30 mins when we cam to the outskirts of the city and there was a massage joint there. lotsa women down and two grabbed me and took me upstairs. Teh place stank!! They lay me down and got out $40 in all for a BJ with two women and a supposed massage. No english knowledge as such. Bad deal in all.

So back I went to the hotel and the giude promises to take me to a gr8 girl next day who give me "boom-boom". On the 23rd floor I see a night club and get in to see lotsa women waiting to get picked up. Since I am tired I tell myself I will be back and head off to the room.

Next nite I am back at the club to see an american band called Saint O performing with a black chick as the lead. I order my favourite absolute on the rocks and check out the crowd, see who I like and motion her over next to me. She orders a Gin. Again verry lil english but am told that she will not get to my room but will go to another hotel close by.

Room charges $30 and I can pay what I like for her. So we trot off to a decent joint.
She immediately starts demanding $50 for herself. After reading all the posts here about $5 women etc, I am in a mind fuck whether I am about to get ripped off so I back off and start walkin home. Two women on a abike spot me and stop to negotiate. They start with $40 but agree to $10 for a BJ in a nearby alley. There were people passing by and this chick was blowing me. That was a bit WILD. She ventually deep throated me and I blew my load in 10 mins or so.
Headed home.

They women on the streets in Vietnam are among the most beautiful I have ever seen.

Rude Beast
12-27-04, 22:56
Most likely the two women on a bike were ladyboys. Especially if you met them around the central area.


Hi all,

Two women on a abike spot me and stop to negotiate. They start with $40 but agree to $10 for a BJ in a nearby alley. There were people passing by and this chick was blowing me. That was a bit WILD. She ventually deep throated me and I blew my load in 10 mins or so.
Headed home.

China 69
12-29-04, 09:17
It is easy to get laid in Saigon. Just talk to a few motorbike drivers, find one you like, and get him to help you find a girl-friendly hotel. There are many in Saigon, and some hotels even arrange for girls to come meet you, and they rent by the hour or by the night.

I did this last night, the driver took me to look at a couple places. I said I just want to look at the hotel, and not get a girl yet. He took me to one that was great, $10 for the hour or $15 all night (big nice clean room, AC, fridge). It was only 200 meters from the guesthouse that I was already staying at in the cheap backpackers area Pham Ngu Lao. I went up to look at the room, then came back down, and the hotel had called a girl to come over and she was already waiting to meet me downstairs! She was a super-hot 19 year old that spoke some english and her price was $20.
We went upstairs to the room for the hour, she asked if I wanted another friend to come over for a 3-some, I said how about tomorrow. She was very fun. I got her phone number and will call her tonight and meet her and her friend tonight hopefully. I changed hotels today so I'm set for the rest of my Saigon stay.

1. Walking around at night in the city center you will get approached by motorbike drivers every 2 minutes offering massage, girl, or pot. I was very hesitant to go with any of them but finally found one I trusted that spoke english. I paid him 20K dong for helping me out.

2. A motorbike passed me with 2 girls, they turned around and got off and came up to me and tried to get me to go with them. They looked beautiful from a distance but up close I was 80% sure that they were ladyboys. So watch out!

3. Also I saw lots of hot girls riding on the back of motorbikes that I'm pretty sure were working. I might try flagging some down to chat.

4. I went to the Sheraton 23rd floor bar. Its expensive and I wasn't all that impressed with the hookers in there. Just from the look of the place I'm sure they were out of my price range so I left after 1 beer.

I'll be here for another 3-5 days if anyone wants to meet up.

Fun Planet
12-31-04, 02:44
Fellow mongers!

I will be in HCMC early February and would like to spend a night or two with some fellow mongers to see the sights! I prefer young-looking girls (legal please), small tits, and bald beavers. I know this may be difficult in Viet. ,from what I'm told, but any push in the right direction would be incredibly appreciated.

Also, any cigar bars in HCMC? also, this may be a stupid question, but any good French bakeries? I live in Seoul and believe me, they have no idea on how to make breads, pastries, etc.

This is my first trip to V and am looking forward to it, hope to meet some of you guys while there.

China 69
12-31-04, 09:41
I got ripped off last night... Talked to a girl hanging out with her moto driver and she was young and cute and seemed really nice and said $20 for an hour. We went to my room and I liked her alot and she said would I like to do all night for $60 and f**k 3 times. I said sure and paid her the $60. Then when we are naked she says she wants another $10 to suck. I said no thanks I've already paid enough and don't want to pay anymore, but she won't take no for an answer. After a few minutes of this I'm totally limp and now I *have* to get sucked in order to get back in the mood so I paid her the $10. Then after we finished and the hour was over she says she wants to leave now! I said give me back some of my money but suddenly she doesn't speak english anymore and doesn't understand me. So what can I do except let her leave.

And today she sent me a sms message asking if I want to see her again! What a b*tch!

I learned my lessons, I will not ever agree to another all-nighter, and I also won't ever pay first.

El Frances
01-03-05, 09:45
China 69

All-nighters should not be a problem in HCM, but of course it's better not to pay before. Maybe also better not to take a girl from the street. In case of problem, if the hotel staff knows you bring girls to your room, you can ask for their help. Just tell them the girl stole you!

Member 2634

Sorry guy, 99,99% probability that they were ladyboy!

DirtyOldMan
01-04-05, 10:00
Fellow mongers!

I will be in HCMC early February and would like to spend a night or two with some fellow mongers to see the sights! I prefer young-looking girls (legal please), small tits, and bald beavers. I know this may be difficult in Viet. ,from what I'm told, but any push in the right direction would be incredibly appreciated.

Also, any cigar bars in HCMC? also, this may be a stupid question, but any good French bakeries? I live in Seoul and believe me, they have no idea on how to make breads, pastries, etc.
This is my first trip to V and am looking forward to it, hope to meet some of you guys while there.Hello,

Don't worry about bread and bakeries, it has been the contribution of the French to the Vietnamese civilisation; There are many bakeries and one is just in front of the New World Hotel.

For the (nice and legal) young-looking girls you like, you can find them easily by 9-10 pm (with their pimp), in the street (service side of the New World Hotel) that crosses the public garden. But, usually, they do not want to spend the whole night, even if they say so; so beware, go to a hotel you know and never pay before.

Have a good stay,

Dirty Old Man

Yi Ren
01-06-05, 19:11
This is my first trip to HCMC, and have found it quite interesting - much more modern and clean than I imagined.

I had the opportunity to check out Lido Massage (265 Pham Ngu Lao St. Dist. 1, in the back and upstairs. This is in the same area you'll find all the Westerners (just down the street from Allez Boo).

Had a very pretty girl named Ngan. The regular massage was good (I work out regularly, and most don't have enough strength to really give a good massage), the "extra" massage was a bit uninspired, but she kept at it, changing tactics to conclusion. She didn't seem to mind that I returned the massage favor. :-)

Following that, had a "free" foot massage in the lounge... all for the princely sum of $250K VND ($100K VND ticket, $100K VND for tip, $50K VND for foot massage tip). Oh, and $10K VND for the valet. A very pleasant way to spend $16USD.

I also got the mobile number of Ngan, and hope to follow up with another report.

Yi Ren

Member #2234
01-07-05, 11:27
Hi guys,

Just to let you guys know I am still in Viet Nam and I have recently opened up a coffee shop here with some nice girl staff ;-)

It is a normal coffee shop but you will get the GF effect, and after wrking hours you can take them out for a drink and some snacks and.....well the rest depends on yourself I guess ;-)

My new coffee shop is at 47 Ho Van Hue, P9, Phu Nhuan district.

My contact number is still my original one 0908674826.

Hope to meet more of you guys soon.

Yi Ren
01-08-05, 20:18
Sorry I don't have time this trip to check out Member #2234's coffee shop (off to Bangkok tomorrow afternoon), but did partake in a couple Karaoke places while in HCMC: first a "locals" one ("67", IRRC) and then an upscale, "international" one called Catwalk.

The locals one is a bit more, uh, "basic" than Catwalk, but it's also a lot more reasonable. Most of the girls speak little or no English, while it seemed a number of girls at Catwalk spoke English, Japanese or Korean to some extent.

Got the mobile number of the girl who sat with me, and called her the next night, while we were at Catwalk. I was happy to have an excuse to bail, as I just couldn't seem to get into it. Could be that we didn't get a room - just sat in a sort of lounge area, and I don't sing, so making conversaton can sometimes be tiresome. FWIW, my host suggested 150K VND tip at "67", and the same for the short amount of time the one at Catwalk sat with me.

So the girl comes to meet me outside, and we grab a taxi for my hotel. I had been warned by my local hosts the upscale hotels may not allow her in, but I just walked her right in, acting as if it were completely normal. No questions asked

(BTW, I've had the same experience wherever I travel - even in Beijing - but I don't drag chicks trailing feather boas and the like through hotel lobbies.)

This girl is 21, lives on the outskirts of the city, named Thuy. Very nice - shy, almost reticent. Small breasts, but an amazing ass. Why is that most Vietnamese women seem to have incredibles asses?

Anyway, she's seems a bit inexperienced, but seemed to enjoy the festivities, if her body contortions and sounds were any indication. After a couple of shots, we fall asleep, but I'm awakened by her stroking me to erection - not once, but twice during the night! Talk about GFE - hell, I've had girlfriends who weren't as friendly! :-)

She text messages me the next couple of days wanting to meet again; says she misses me, but I figure she may miss the dong (as in VND) as well... hey, it's a hazard of the avocation. We hooked up tonight (she came to meet me at a cafe where I hang out in Pham Ngu Lao), and headed to my hotel.

We have a nice session, I doze off a little while she showers, and when I awake, she's dressed and says she needs to go home. I'm a bit surprised, but say OK. Then when I ask how much, she just shakes her head and quietly slips out the door. (And for you cynics out there, not a dong was missing from my wallet.)

I had tipped her 200K VND at "67", then gave her 700K VND the first night (was told 600 K VND was good). That converts to about $57USD total. I just love Vietnam!

Yi Ren

China 69
01-10-05, 08:54
I got tired of Saigon street girls so I thought I would go upmarket and get a more expensive girl from a disco. Went to Apocalypse Now a few times and saw some pros there who were regulars. I asked around and was told they go for $50. One pro was hitting on me so I danced with her and hung out for a while then she wanted to go back to the hotel. She had a very hot-looking bod while wearing clothes but she wasn't so great naked. She told me she was divorced and had a kid (thus the sagging body parts). She gave the absolute worst BBBJ in the history of the world; lots of teeth and forceful sucking. I was in pain and told her to stop. The lay was so-so due to my hurting d*ck. Then she decided to stay all night and kept me awake by laying all over me. Overall a waste of $50.

I never tried any other discos. Are there any others that foreigners go to?

RatuFreddie
01-11-05, 01:29
interesting point on upmarket girls. In my experience they just don't exist.
There are upmarket venues ( with prices to fit) and the girls you meet there are the exactly same ones you can meet 3 hours later in smaller bars.
What goes with the venue is always the price, in Apocalypse it will be hard to find any hooker willing to negotiate for under $50, most of them in fact want more, like USD 70 overnight.
Same girls in a more "downmarket" venue a little later 30 -50 USD. And of course there is absolutely no guarantee that what you get for the higher price is in anyway justified.

El Rond
01-14-05, 11:41
This place is right next to Catwalk. It's my second visit, the first being early last year, during which I was attended by a cutie who spoke very little English and was only willing to provide a HJ at way above the rates indicated here. Then again, this place is managed by International Tourist Club (ITC), full of Japanese, Taiwanese, HKers, etc.

The girl who attended me looked about 8, but wore a little too much make up for my liking. Anyway she spoke reasonably good English, and can converse in Chinese as well. The massage itself was quite good, my only worry was the popping sounds my spine made when she stood on my back and exerted deliberate pressure with her toes. When she realised that I was shivering slightly in the cold room, she offered a body hug for a full 30 seconds to warm me up, and rubbed my fingers quite thoroughly. When the teasing part came (as all masseuses invariably do when they are soliciting for extra services), it wasn't subtle at all - she held it and started kissing it. To my surprise she proceeded with BBBJ, then told me how she usually "use hands only", but she kind of like my smile and my Vietnamese/Thai looks, so she's willing to use her mouth. Then she asked whether I want her to massage it - what a question! I asked whether I can touch her, she immediately said yes, moved closer, lifted up her tight bra when I had difficulty putting my fingers through it, and even allowed me to kiss her breasts. All these without any mention of $$$, except when it was time to go she asked me to indicate on a sheet of paper how much I want to tip her, which will be settled at the front desk. That was the greatest massage I've had - both the regular and the extras, since I'm not really into FS at massage parlors.

On the way out I was given a voucher for a free drink at Catwalk, so I popped over to enjoy the drink and the live music, without engaging the company of the absolute stunners that sashayed about at the lounge.

My only complaint - the signboard outside displayed VND 180,000+++ for a 60 minute massage, but that somehow translated in USD 22. The receptionist explained sheepishly that it there is a 30% tax or whatever, but even then... go figure that out. But with the free drink and the service I had, guess I can't complain too much.

Poupard2000
02-04-05, 12:54
I will be sent by my insurance company for 6 months in Ho Chi Minh (with flat and expat packages). Mongering seems much more difficult than in other South East Asian countries.

What would be the best plan to find stunners in Ho Chi Minh ? I can spend some times to chase good girls but I do not really know where. One of my friend told me that I should put a advertisment in a local newspaper. I don'ty know. If one of the member of this forum can give me precious advices, I would be pleased.

Poupard2000
02-05-05, 12:58
I will be sent as expat in HCM by my swiss insurance company. I can go every week end to Bangkok for pussies but .... is it necessary ? can I get what I am looking for on the local market ?

What is the good strategy to get a collection of good girls ? I will try vietsingle but I do not want the traditionnal "Girl waiting for her western husband" ... I just want some girlfriends to enjoy life & sex in Saigon. Is it possible ? What are the best sources of pussies ?

I think University could be a solution... I will try to give some courses in the insurance sector in order to collect cell phones numbers... If you have good suggestions ... I would be pleased.

I hope that soon I will be able to give you plenty of news about HCM.

Gaolei
02-08-05, 14:34
I met a chat freebie on my last trip to HCMC. She came to meet me at the Rex Hotel and called me from the lobby. I came down to meet her and as we got in the lift, a bell boy stopped us and asked us to go to the front desk. The girl there explained to my date that she was not allowed to go to the room, even though it was mid afternoon. I was told if I want to talk to her, I can do it in the lobby. This is the law in Vietnam.

Can anyone tell me if there is a relatively up-scale hotel in the same area as the Rex that has a more enlightened attitude toward guests?

El Frances
02-09-05, 10:02
First time I hear this! This has not to do with vietnamese law, but hotel rules. Most upscale hotels allow visitors before 10 or 11 pm, bust ask visitors to register with their ID card. So I guess any other hotel would be OK (try Sofitel, the food is excellent!). You may inquire about hotel rules before registering (it's better to talk about a "girlfriend").

It is also possible that, for some reason, the girl did not want to register (too young, no valid ID, or already registered by the police). Sometimes freebies are not what they look like (It's just an hypothesis).

Bobs Power
02-12-05, 12:51
Hi guys,

Just to let you guys know I am still in Viet Nam and I have recently opened up a coffee shop here with some nice girl staff ;-)

It is a normal coffee shop but you will get the GF effect, and after wrking hours you can take them out for a drink and some snacks and.....well the rest depends on yourself I guess ;-)

My new coffee shop is at 47 Ho Van Hue, P9, Phu Nhuan district.

My contact number is still my original one 0908674826.

Hope to meet more of you guys soon.

I will be out there in April and will stop by and visit your coffee shop...Hope you'll have even more nice looking girls by that time

Member #2234
02-14-05, 13:52
Hi m8,

I am not Vietnamese but I do live in VN, I have also met a few members from here. I would love to meet up.

El Frances
02-15-05, 10:19
Hi!

Bad news and good news for you !

The bad news is that here is no girl that will go with you just for fun and sex in vietnam! They will only have sex with you if you can be usefull to them.

If you are looking for company, you have the choice between:

(1) Girls you will meet in expat bars or discos, that will go with you for 50$, most of them will be happy to spend some time having fun with you.

(2) Girls that are in the "boyfriend business", who will ask you money for buying clothes, motorcycle, hospital for their mother, school fees for their sister, etc. It may be more expensive than case (1),

(3) Girls looking for a husband, who will expect some commitment from you, introduce you to their familly, and also expect from you some financial support (as a way to check your commitment).

(4) Any combination of the above.

You may find a few legends about freebies in this Forum, but don't rely on this perspective.

The good news is that girls of any of the above categories will be young, often beautifull, nice and friendly.

If you are only looking for sex, and willing to discover the non-expat scene, you can also find vietnamese speaking girls for 20 $ short-time, or get suck in barber shops for 10 $.

DirtyOldMan
02-19-05, 14:12
Anybody could give me some addresses of GF Hotels in central HaNoi, comfortable enough to stay one week.

Thanks a lot.

Txmanny
02-28-05, 19:39
Will be there the end of March through mid May for business. Anyone else will be there during that time in Saigon? Any good massage parlors with nice looking girls that are willing to give BJ?

Dboy
03-05-05, 04:40
I arrive in HCM Wednesday nite and still need to pick a hotel. I'm surprised that there isn't more discussion here about girl friendly hotels. I did see these reccomendations:

Lacapro hotel - 270/6 ho van hue 2, phu nhuan district, 08.8423808
Ngoc Diep hotel - E10 Xuan Hong, Tan Binh district, 08.852109

but no prices or details. Is there a hotel, or an area where the mongers tend to stay?

In San Jose, Costa Rica and Buenos Aires, Argentina, most guys stay in a specific area and it provides a convenient way to hook up.

I'm also thinking of bussing or flying to Phnom Penh, Cambodia. Better mongering?

Anybody that wants to get together, either in HCM or PP, pls PM me.

Asiaphile
03-06-05, 01:48
Dboy:

One of the reasons I do not post info on girl friendly hotels in VN on an open forum like this anymore is simple. VN is a harsh totalitarian communist state where prostitution is illegal and hotel owners can get into BIG trouble for such "indescretions." They can go to jail, be fined, or at best forced to pay shakedown protection. All of my hotel selections are privately owned (a key - avoid govermment owned) and generally decent 2-3 star places vs. luxury 4-5 star hotels. I once mentioned a great GF place here located in the heart of the Hai Ba Trung red zone in HCM and within a year or two it was overrun with out-of-control mongers who because they were not discrete caused the owner to have to pay excessive protection money. Soon after it became not friendly. BTW, most of these GF hotels are in the $15-$30 range as opposed to the $50-$100+ range of the usually overpriced and useless luxury hotels. You can often get a very nice tourist class suite for around $30 and girl friendly if you shop around a bit.

If you don't know the lay of the land and the rules of the road in VN you are definitely better off mongering elsewhere - such as Cambodia. Best of luck.

GoodEnough
03-06-05, 03:07
Asiaphile is totally correct. I lived in Vietnam for about 7 months (though mostly in Hanoi) and saw several privately-owned places wrecked by indiscreet mongers. Delboy, if you need some help with Hanoi, PM me and I'll be glad to help. During all of my time in HCMC, I was already with a lady, so I had no problems as we registered together.

GE

Jay3
03-06-05, 05:12
Anybody could give me some addresses of GF Hotels in central HaNoi, comfortable enough to stay one week.

Thanks a lot.Try Fourtuna Hotel it's GF Hotel and also has freat karaoke place call BOSS on basement

Dashing Don
03-07-05, 06:14
Hello Dboy, how are you? Met you at one of Jackson's Clarin sex parties in Buenos Aires around Thanksgiving '03. Great fun. Gotta get back soon.

Anyway, regarding Saigon, I was there in September. We came from BKK to Saigon and then overlanded to Pnom Penh, then back to BKK.

Frankly, Saigon isn't worth a visit. We had a guide who showed us around the first night. We went to Apocalypse Now and some other club. Apoc.Now had way more guys than girs. You had to basically solicit the girls. After the pleasures of BKK, there was no way we were going to bother with that.

Went to some other club where a 'hostess' joins you at the table for a fee. You buy drinks and dance and supposedly, later on you cut a deal with her. Lotta work. Fuck that. We passed. Called it an early night.

We stayed at the New World hotel which we knew from the board was not girl friendly but it didn't matter. From the dearth of girls to the dearth of clubs to the dearth of monger friendly hotels, it quickly becomes obvious that Saigon is not a monger's town.

The streets are clogged with thousands upon thousands of motorcycles which makes crossing a real game of chicken. This makes even walking the city very difficult. Sounds like you are going to be in town anyway, so check out the Vietcong tunnels at Cu Chi, about an hour or two outside town and let off some rounds at the range. Also the chinese quarter of Saigon, Cho Lon is interesting. Thats it. Two days tops, then flee. Think of what makes Buenos Aires great, then think of the exact opposite, and you've got Saigon.

Don't know about buses to PP from Saigon. We hired a driver AND our indispensable guide. First, you have to get a visa in Saigon to go to Cambo. About $25 I recall. The guide brought us to a store a few blocks from the New World. They took the passport and returned it the next day with the visa. About a two or three dollar fee. Great value.

The border crossing is a blast. Our guide located 'enablers' who bribed the VN border guards to process us for $5 each. The enabler gets $5 too. In 30 minutes you are walking across the moonscape that is the Vn/Cambo border. The alternative is to line up with the other foreigners in the hot sun for hours. Spoke to an Israeli girl who had all her papers in order but who waited about six hours. We did the math. Six hours or $10? Quickly came to a decision.

"Baggage handlers' will carry your stuff across the border for a small fee. At the other side, you get a driver to take you to PP. We paid $40. Maybe its possible to get it for less, but who cares.

Vietnam is poor. But Cambo is the pits. You see that as soon as you cross. Livestock everywhere. No electricity in the homes etc. But interesting.

PP has bars like Sharkeys and Martini's where you can meet the girls. Daytime, they have casas. Transport about town is on the back of a motorcycle. The city is very rundown but much more fun that Saigon. Its crawling with NGOs. They're everywhere.

Have fun and report back to us. Remember the huddled masses of mongers sitting in front of their screens in sex starved places like the US. Take pity on us. Throw us a report once in a while.

Don

Dboy
03-09-05, 07:05
Dashing Don,

I think I vaguely remember the Clarin experiment. Wasn't that when Roxana called about 25 girls from the newspaper classifieds, and invited them to a 4 bedroom apartment with 8 or 9 mongers? Didn't we all show up with our own sheets? I think we then spent the next 6 hours trying out girls, filling out a rating sheet for Jackson's records, eating, drinking, taking photos, comparing notes and watching a lesbian show? Am I forgetting anything? Tamara from Uruguay was my favorite. Yeah, I guess I do remember!

Actually, I did pretty well last nite. Arrived in Saigon at 10 pm, sort of drunk, got a cab, went to the Pham Ngu Lao area looking for a hotel.

First one was full. Down the street for a beer, saw a place across the street, $10 per nite, clean, cool, and girl friendly. Phi Long. Not a typical mongering place, very basic, but clean and secure. The night guy told me a guest needed an ID and that he would call up to my room as the girl was leaving.

20 minutes later, the first bar I enter has one girl and pretty much nobody else. She was nice enough, we talked, I offered, she accepted, but . . . no ID. I passed.

Next little street front bar had 2 girls. I focused on the youner one, who spoke no English. Very hot and sexy, total spinner with a great smile and no attitude, but . . . I was about to pass on this beauty, simply because she looked too young. I thought maybe 16, but with great boobs.

Then an older English speaker helped out. She assured me that the girl was 22, but pointed out that she's only been working 1 week. That was enough to conince me. $30 for an hour was a generous offer and she was great. Long straight hair downstairs. Am I in bush country? I can handle that.

Haven't ventured out yet, but I think I'll like it here for the 5 days I have. More to come.

DirtyOldMan
03-10-05, 12:34
Try Fourtuna Hotel it's GF Hotel and also has freat karaoke place call BOSS on basementThanks for the tip. Is it close to the center?

Gaolei
03-10-05, 21:14
The hotel is in Hanoi, not HCM city. I spent a few minutes looking for it online yesterday without any result. I did find one in Hanoi though.

El Frances
03-11-05, 09:14
hi,

i'm back in vietnam. it seems to be more crowded than last year. probably it has become an alternative destination for thailand tourists because of the tsunami. as i wanted to hunt a little and have a nice evening, i went to sheraton and apocalypse. last year in june apocalypse was deserted and the sheraton disco overpacked. now it seems to be more balanced, with an advantage for apocalypse. apocalypse seems to have recovered the fun spirit of the old days. i don't know if the working girls still have to pay mafia to work there. anyway i spotted a nice slim girl with blond hair and very sweet smile and began to talk to her. after some time we begin to talk about what will happen next and she asks me 100 $. no chance i woulkd pay that! people work one month in saigon to earn 50$. when the price of pussy exceeds the average monthly salary, there's something rotten! ok, maybe i would pay 100 for a "pearl of asia' type of girl, but not for the sheraton or apocalypse girls. anyway, i quickly found another girl. different type, more the 'come fuck me' type of look. maybe not so pretty as the first one, but i was happy to see the first one was still alone at closing time. serves her right! anyway number two had very firm body and making love as if i was [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) her. so good!

next day, with one of my non-pro regular. gosh! she had not made love since i was in saigon last time and her pussy was so tight i could hardly put my dick inside. but she was so hot! i already miss her!

i am now in nha trang. overcrowded! a few new girls in sailing club, it's a welcomed change, i was really tired of the old regulars. girls try to take advantage of people coming from saigon by asking the same price: 50$. but you can have them overnight for 500 00 dongs, or less if they are desperate. that's the average monthly wage in nha trang. astonishing ! anyway, the spirit of sailing club is still there and i have a lot of fun!

also lots of young cute girls around you can get for 300 000. but it's only boom boom one shot and they don't speak a single word of english. but they are so cute! girls in lodge disco ask now for 100$. it's so ridiculous! they are not more beautifull than the others. only the dress is different.

i love this country!

H R James
03-14-05, 04:53
Anybody can give some advise how is this bar? Heard before there are some girls in the bar are offering for sex, anyway someone please advise how much they offer and how's the quality of the girls.

Thanks

Saigon Sam
03-14-05, 10:41
I've been in Sg for about 10 years now and yes, many things have changed. In fact sex was more open 10 years ago than it is now. Sw's on Nguyen Thi Minh Khai Street (near downtown) are very few now compared to about 5 years ago. Police checks are so common now that most have split up to different areas of HCMC. The airport area use to have many SW's but now most girls have to be called out by the mamasan standing on the street corner. Use to be much more fun!!!!!!!!!! Not to worry though, if you go to the round-about at the end of Ly Van Sy street (near airport), they will find you.

A new SW area popped up on Xo Viet Nghia Tinh St towards national hwy #1. These girls are much higher quality and all ride on motorbikes. Much more discreet and they will not approach you. Can't give you any details as I have not tried. I know too many people along this street! Oh well. Prices on Ng Thi Minh Khai are on average 150,000vnd (if you are a local)short time but these higher quality ones should command at least double this. The girls on Xo Viet Nghia Tinh seem much more presentable (looks classier) as compared to other places.

Saigon Sam
03-14-05, 21:25
HR James,

Saigon Saigon is not the best place. Generally much higher prices and low quality (older ladies). This is because Saigon Saigon is on top of the five star Caravelle Hotel. It is assumed that anyone who goes there has money to spend. To tell you the truth, these older ladies (many of them less than a 5) get away with charging higher prices because they can speak some English. It is easier to pick up someone who you can converse with. On the other hand, the younger ones (most young ones from the provinces) do not speak any English at all. A 30 yr old has much more exposure, (thus can speak English) as opposed to a fresh 18 yr old who has just come to HCM looking for work. In otherwords, the ones you find in Saigon Saigon Bar have been around for a long long time. Thats how many of them learn English. Not fresh at all!

Thus , this is what separates the local bars from expat bars. If you have a local friend, have him take you to some local places. If you want high quality at a reasonable price, stay away from expat bars. If you have no where to turn you can always try this bar called "Safari" on Pham Ngu Lao St. This is sort of a 1/2 expat 1/2 local bar. Prices are cheaper than Saigon Saigon at about 500,000vnd. Still 500k is double what locals would pay for the same quality. Note if you are not asian and do not speak any VN, 500k is the going rate. Go to Safari at about 1am as this is when the crowd comes in. They are open until 4am. Most girls here speak some English but not all.

Good luck!

H R James
03-15-05, 08:52
Saigon Sam,

Thanks a lot for your advise, will check out Safari on Sunday night when I reach there.

Saigon Sam
03-16-05, 11:06
I know this might not interest many but for some of you out there a real massage is welcome after a long day (or night). There are some hj places that do offer a good body rub but nothing compares to this place on Tran Hung Dao St near the corner of Nguyen Tri Phuong. Another good one is on Ly Van Sy St. I can't remember the exact name, but its something "Anh" its in an area where lots of clothing stores are. (about 500m passed Amara Hotel as you head up from downtown and on your left - with a purple sign)

Both are excellent. Now that I think of it maybe the one on Ly Van Sy is a little better. Both are really inexpensive at 50k/hour with sauna and steam bath included. Tip the girl another 50k. In total less than $6.50 for the whole deal. Also a good place to bring your vn girlfriend if you have one. They have separate rooms for men and women.

Tamurlane26
03-16-05, 13:35
Your post brought back some amusing memories - read an earlier post on Saigon where I sneaked a double into the Caravelle on a Sunday afternoon - that was an afternoon to remember.

They usually hang over the bar in Saigon Saigon but the quality is often questionable albeit that english is the lingua franca. Better to head off to Apocalypse Now and then off to Va Mu Lao (forgive the atrocious spelling). If you have not hit in Apocalypse you will find many of them head over to the backpacker part of town for the late night - you may also find some on moto's cruising you as you head across town.

Near the new world is a hotel where they not only are happy to accept the girls but if you are short of cash will charge the total to the hotel bill and hence your credit card. A lovely situation if there ever was one - mind you explaining why you had two nights in the same city could be a bit of a push.

M_Charlus
03-18-05, 11:46
A new SW area popped up on Xo Viet Nghia Tinh St towards national hwy #1. These girls are much higher quality and all ride on motorbikes. Much more discreet and they will not approach you. Can't give you any details as I have not tried. I know too many people along this street! Oh well. Prices on Ng Thi Minh Khai are on average 150,000vnd (if you are a local)short time but these higher quality ones should command at least double this. The girls on Xo Viet Nghia Tinh seem much more presentable (looks classier) as compared to other places.You mean between the zoo and Dien Bien Phu (which turns into highway 1A)? I've observed a new hot area going the other way on Nguen Thi Minh Khai, going past the reunification park. If you go slowly at night, they will pop out of the side streets with their pimps.

Poppasan
03-18-05, 22:05
That seems right. The street that runs perpendicular to the one which Reunification is on. Street walkers are all at that intersection as late as 2 am when I drove by. I didnt stop but they seem nice. Next time I will stop when I get the chance. Wish I was over there right now. I hate work.

Ricqui
03-21-05, 05:17
I'm heading to HCMC in late April. I enjoy staying at a nice hotel could someone tell me a few of the girl friendly places? Any suggestions on where to stay in Vung Tau also? Would it be better to find a girl in Vung Tau or bring one with me from HCMC?

Thanks

Saigon Sam
03-21-05, 20:19
Yes, between the Zoo and Dien Bien Phu (which turns into highway 1A) is the street Xo Viet Nghia Thinh. This is the new area. I've noticed activity for about a year now. The area you were refering to near the Palace is actually the original sw area. They have been there for ages. Some people think its new because the police in the past have been causing some trouble for the Sw's there. They have only come back recently. Anyway, if you have a chance, check out the XVNT area. Lots of girls on newer style motorbikes. They hang around near the bridge and by the Mitsubishi Car Dealership. Try to go on motorbike as this street can be quite busy.

Ball44
03-23-05, 10:49
I rode by there last night and notices some cuties standing just to the left of the Zoo entrance gate. Not sure if they were working or not, but from their dress I'd have to say they were. It was quite early (9:30 or so).

I was propositioned by a woman on a motorbike as I was turning around. That might be a good place to wait and let them come to you. If you pass the Zoo entrance on Xo Biet Nghia go straight towards the bridge there is a cul-de-sac on the right hand side of the road. That is where I was waiting to cross the road and got propositioned by an older lady on newer bike. I would have took her up, but she was too old for my taste, and not all that hot. I'll drive by there again at a later time and post my report.

On another note. Could anyone help me out with daytime action. Most of the things I know of are all late at night. Please pm me or post on the board.

Ball44

The Sun Prince
03-23-05, 13:09
Thanks for the input guys!

I'm new to this board but get heavily involved on another board. I usually indulge my fantasies in Thailand, Cambodia and Philippines, but I thought it's time to visit Saigon.

I will be at the Liberty 3 hotel district one. Wish me luck! Thereafter, I'm going to launch an assault on Phnom Penh. My policy is no clemency to female prisoners.

El Frances
03-24-05, 10:15
A late review of last week hunting experience in Saigon.

Tuesday, I went to Apocalypse. Most of the girls were not attractive, relatively experienced with no charm. Probably because it’s Tuesday and potential customers are not that numerous today. It always surprises me: I would expect that only beautiful girls who are sure to get a customer would come on off-peak days. In fact it’s the contrary that happens: usually the most ugly girls are there. One or two nice girls there, but there are already with a man. With a guy I met before, we decided to go to Sahara in Pham Ngu Lao street before the closing time of Apocalypse. It’s nearly one year I haven’t been there. Entering Sahara made me feel it was the first circle of inferno: dark, full of smoke and girls are really second choice and skanky. Gosh! I was complaining about the quality of girls in Apocalypse. Well, at least beer is cheaper there. This bar is known for being open late and usually some people go there after the closing time of Apocalypse at 1pm. So after some time arrives a real beautifull and fresh cutie I spotted in Apocalypse. I did not approach her there, as she was with a man. Now she is alone. Probably they did not agree on the terms of trade. She drinks water and doesn’t smoke, which is a very good sign. I talk with her some time and she’s really fine. Hmmm! I imagine what this little tongue could do to me! We dance and have fun for some time, and I ask her to go with me. She asks me 100$. Gosh, I know why she came back alone from Apocalypse! She says she doesn’t go out often and doesn’t work every day. That’s why she asks so much. Then she goes down to 70$. No chance I pay that. I feel I would never pay more than 50$ without loosing my face and feeling stupid. Anyway she has no other choice so she agrees for 50$. Wow! What a night! She really made love like GF with a really wet pussy and came in a very cute way. I love this country!

Wednesday. One of my regular did not come to see me as I expected, so I find myself again in Sahara at 1pm. The choice of girls seems to be better than yesterday. I quickly spot one that looks like a girl playing in a U.S. teenager soap opera on TV. So exciting! She drinks water and doesn't smoke. After spending some nice time there, she comes back with me. Her body is fine, but her tits could be harder. She begins to lick and suck me, making noises as if she was enjoying her favourite dish. Like that: hmmm! Hmmm! It’s so exciting that I come in her mouth after a few minutes. She still makes hmmm! After that we fuck. Wow! She kows how to use her pussy to make a man come! 500 000 vnd for one CIM and another shot (that’s maximum Pham Ngu Lao price). I love this country!

Thursday. I am with my regular and we go to Apocalypse for dancing and drinking. Sheraton is so boring these days. Good fun as usual. Some very cute girls there. Of course, it always happen when I am not alone. It seems beautiful girls come here Thursday to Saturday night. I spend the rest of my staying with my cutie, so nothing more to report. My cutie is so cute! I love this country!

Philo
03-25-05, 17:30
Tuesday
... She drinks water and doesn’t smoke, which is a very good sign.
... I love this country!

Wednesday
... She drinks water and doesn't smoke.
... I love this country!

Thursday
...My cutie is so cute! I love this country!

You need to get married ...

(PS: Your future wife will be a former hooker, though - any normal girl will find you too cute...)

So Guy
03-26-05, 06:53
Anybody can give some advise how is this bar? Heard before there are some girls in the bar are offering for sex, anyway someone please advise how much they offer and how's the quality of the girls.

ThanksI'm long time listener, first time caller. I was in Saigon bar (24th floor - Saigon Hotel). I thought the place was awesome. Lots of pretty chics. I highly recommended. We didn't pick up anyone there cause we made a mistake going in with 2 girls introduced by the taxi driver. We didn't get a chance to cum bak there. Let us know how it goes for ya.

Teegee
03-30-05, 04:42
Returned to HCM last week after a year off the scene.

Apocalypse: Went down in quality and quantity. Even they closed the second dance floor which is now the pool gaming area. Some freelancers but nothing as it used to be.

Safari: Loud, smoky and roudy. Average selection of freelancers. Mostly well experienced tough nuts.

Motorbike girls: Risky and fewer than a year ago.

GF: Seems to be getting easier, but you need at least 3 days to score.

Verdict: Certainly better than Laos or Burma, but far behind the rest of South East Asia

Have fun

Saigon Sam
03-30-05, 06:19
Returned to HCM last week after a year off the scene.

Apocalypse: Went down in quality and quantity. Even they closed the second dance floor which is now the pool gaming area. Some freelancers but nothing as it used to be.

Safari: Loud, smoky and roudy. Average selection of freelancers. Mostly well experienced tough nuts.

Motorbike girls: Risky and fewer than a year ago.

GF: Seems to be getting easier, but you need at least 3 days to score.

Verdict: Certainly better than Laos or Burma, but far behind the rest of South East Asia

Have funYes, I totally agree. Maybe all the girls just got tired of all the hassles of Vietnam and decided to go to Singapore and Macau to work. I've been to Singapore and Macau the past month and saw so many VN girls working there. Many of them have told me that working outside of VN is much safer, more money and no hassles. What do you think?

Ozirob
03-31-05, 07:02
"GF" is fun! 3 days works but stay in touch for a year and return then watch what happens! This without being silly and having/creating false expectations.
The "I suck your dick" and "we go Boom boom mini-hotel" bar girls don't do it for me any more. OK, i tell a lie - I did get my dick sucked (150k VND) at a well known bar in the Hai Ba Trung strip (many have it) but i didn't go the boom boom there! OK tell the truth - i always end up at that bar at least once each trip :-)

The GF route absolutely costs more, all things considered (doesn't it at home?) but in VN the GF seems to give a lot more than at home.

I agree with previous posts that there are more and more VN girls turning up in bars in Singapore and KL but i have found that the ones that graduate to this level of travel are either under someones control, or have such a business attitude that it takes something away for me. (not suggesting that they don't have spectacular abilities in bed, quite the opposite)

I just love Vietnam, and in particular HCMC

Ozirob

P.S. to be fair i have some great "GF" type friends in Thailand that i enjoy catching up with every time I can. I think there was a successful advert campaign that essentially said "when you are on a good thing - stick to it!" That's what i do - keep track of the ones that really suit me and see them rather than go the lottery every time.

Teegee
04-01-05, 04:55
Ozirob & Saigon Sam:

Looks like we agree.

Certainly one does find Viet girls in Sing, HK but even there in very small numbers. Viet girls are not known, like Thais, Korean or Chinese to become working girls when going overseas. So the big question is where are all the bad girls gone?

In regards of the cost of a Viet GF I would say it will cost you far less than anywhere in Asia due to the fact that status symbols are still less predominant.

Ball44
04-05-05, 07:43
I rode by the Zoo area again a little later. Just drive slow and they will come up and proposition you with the "boom-boom" line. She was cute so I took her up on it. Went to a short time hotel. 100k for the room, and another 200k for her. She had a way too professional attitude though.

On another note. I noticed another area, maybe it was mentioned before, but on Nguyen Thi Minh Khai near the Nam Ky Khoi Nghia street intersection. It was a friday night around 11 and there was a row (7 of them) lined up perfectly spaced 2 meters apart. I ride by there all the time earlier in the night (9 to 9:30) and have never seen them. Maybe it was the night (Friday) or the time (11)? Has anyone seen them there before? Most of them looked young and cute. Great bodies.

There was a round up on Friday night in Pham Ngu Lao area. Most of the late night place got shut down that night. I was in Sahara and they carded all of the Vietnamese and didn't bother the foreigners. I saw they had closed down a few others as well. From what i've heard it happens occasionally.

Ball44

The Sun Prince
04-06-05, 13:55
Philo,

Thanks for the amicable welcome! Makes me really want to get to know you better. I take it you are a preacher and take sunday school classes. My advice is that you give people a little more of a chance. If then you have any qualms with my posts, I'd be happy to debate them with you!


I don't feel using vulgar language like that endears you to anyone. Well, I hope not anyway.

I promise to avoid metaphors in the future lest I offend you.

Back to the reason we are here, well some of us, punting.

I spent two nights in Saigon, and really enjoyed my first visit.
I sampled the following places: Caravelle, Monkey Bar, Samara club, Apocalypse, Catwalk, ?Corner bar.

Overall, the ladies were wonderful and predictably beautiful. We met two very charming ladies at the Apocalypse bar. One spoke exellent English the other zero. I managed with my paltry Vietnamese. We agreed on a price, and went to the Cafe in the front of the Caravelle hotel. Here I noted many free lancers were milling around, and obviously looking to procure business. We enjoyed a nice wine and chat with the ladies. Thereafter, we took them back to Liberty 3 Hotel, where our 'friendly' service attendant refused their entry without a little 'sweetener'. The $US10 seemed to satiate his appetite.

The rest of the night was spent in perfect harmony with this feminine and demure lady. "It's the girls from L'Oreal on their night off", he replied. I engaged in conversation with a few and really enjoyed their demeanour and points of view.

Hope to return soon to the lovely Saigon. Hope this diatribe didn't offend anyone else.

The monkey bar, also, had a collection of sexy ladies. The takeout price was $US50. The samsara and corner bar were local establishments. We were taken there by a local professional man. The Samsara club was particularly pleasant with a good ambience and modern feel and music. At about 11pm, a whole 'caravan' of sensational ladies walked in! I went into a daze. "What's going on here", I exclaimed to the local guy.

El Frances
04-08-05, 09:26
Sun Prince,

I never heard of this place (maybe I know it, but not the name). Could you please comment more on it?

Thanks

Saigon Sam
04-09-05, 09:44
Sun Prince,

I never heard of this place (maybe I know it, but not the name). Could you please comment more on it?

ThanksIts on Dong Khoi street on top of the Brodard Restaurant. Enter on the side street and up the stairs. Its near Dong Du and Dong Khoi Street. Hope this helps.

Asiaphile
04-09-05, 14:32
Sounds like Sahara club in Pham Nhu Lao.

The rest of the info is mostly useless (albiet amusing) newbie trash. $50 take out price at Monkey Bar! What the hell is that all about? Mamasan tripling the price for a newbie? Then again, no wonder at that pathetic rip-off bia om 50 feet around the corner from the stupid overpriced luxury Caravelle Hotel and its wornout old hag Saigon-Saigon bar. Did the hags blurt out "hundred dollah honey" or maybe "million dong for you," last second offers. What BS! How's that for cynicism after decade of repeated forays in and out and all over VN...

The VN archive here is full valuable info about thumbs down Monkey Bar and similar scams and BS. Apparently, many never read the archives but just take the mostly blind newbie tourist plunge, without heeding the repeated warnings. Hey, live and learn and pay the price - often big time rip-off prices!

OldAsiaHand
04-10-05, 10:49
Asiaphile,

Just popped onto this thread for some current news since I will be heading down to Vietnam next month.

Do you ever stop flaming everyone and everything about Vietnam? Every one of your posts is a direct attack.


Just my POV.

Oah

Asiaphile
04-10-05, 11:22
I don't think of it as a personal attack at all. It's a realistic appraisal, an opinion, and for educational purposes. Also, you obviously are sadly mistaken or probably jealous having read very few of my many previous posts in characterizing them as all a "direct attack." I suppose you'll find a way to call this one an attack on you instead of my simply putting you straight on the issue. My post started out trying to clear up the name of a bar that was apparently misunderstood or mispelled and then I indicated I was amused enough to continue. It appears you're way to thin skinned, or you have nothing of value to offer either. If anything, I was attacking the useless ripoff Monkey Bar - drop in that loser bia om yourself and see what I mean. Better yet, drop into the so-called exclusive, overpriced Saigon-Saigon and then stumble right around the corner to lousy Monkey Bar. Gives us your own report. Opinions are like assholes - everybody has one.

Ozirob
04-10-05, 12:07
Aren't all the bar's prices and styles a case of "different strokes for different folks"? During my trips I've been happy to try as many bars as I can, in the full expectation that some will be straight rip-off, some will offer great views and breeze at a high price, some will have great girls that you can't touch (during their work hours), and some will have great girls that you can touch.

I've got no doubt that on my next trip I'll end up at all of the above styles of bar, and i'll enjoy every minute. Even getting ripped off can be a lot of fun sometimes. Don't get hung up with judgements - just enjoy the ride(s)

Can't wait for next trip!

Ozirob

Saigon Sam
04-10-05, 22:05
Sounds like Sahara club in Pham Nhu Lao.

The rest of the info is mostly useless (albiet amusing) newbie trash. $50 take out price at Monkey Bar! What the hell is that all about? Mamasan tripling the price for a newbie? Then again, no wonder at that pathetic rip-off bia om 50 feet around the corner from the stupid overpriced luxury Caravelle Hotel and its wornout old hag Saigon-Saigon bar. Did the hags blurt out "hundred dollah honey" or maybe "million dong for you," last second offers. What BS! How's that for cynicism after decade of repeated forays in and out and all over VN...

The VN archive here is full valuable info about thumbs down Monkey Bar and similar scams and BS. Apparently, many never read the archives but just take the mostly blind newbie tourist plunge, without heeding the repeated warnings. Hey, live and learn and pay the price - often big time rip-off prices!Hey Asiaphile, I'm not saying I agree with you about the "newbie trash" but I have seen many many people paying prices that are twice or 3 times the norm. Yes, I do agree that by paying more it drives prices up. This was exactly what happend 10 years ago when the Japanese and Taiwanese started overpaying. However, I don't think the info people provide is "useless" as you say. Not everyone comes here just for information. Reading about peoples adventures is interesting too. I'm assuming that you are a long time resident in HCMC so you know how things work. Some people just aren't here long enough to get to know the girls who will accept 200k for the night or even free sometimes. Its not like it was 10 years ago. I think to get a decent girl with a good attitude (from an expat bar) for the night is at least 500k (30US) or more now. Xich Lo drivers pay 50k but would you sleep with 50k girls even if it was for free? Probably not. Well, if you know of a good place where the girls will take 200k for the night, let us know!

Ball44
04-11-05, 10:21
I've read about it before, but it's never happened to me until now. I met a couple of cuties outside of Sahara the other night. It was late, maybe 3 am or so on a Thursday night, I was getting ready to go home. But when I say these two, I couldn't resist.

She ask how much for both of em, and I told her 800,000 dong for the night. She agrees. So we go back to my place. As soon as they get in they start snooping around. She ask for the money upfront (first mistake), I give her 800,000 and she gives me the "I thought you meant $80 routine. I had to bargain again, and ended up giving her 900,000 dong.

So we showered, got a nice sponge bath from the both of them, nothing like having two soapy honeys rubbing you down. Anyway, we got to the action. One of them, was too sensative for me to even touch. You know the kind, ticklish as hell. Her box wasn't ticklish though, so she went first. Her friend though, she was so my type. Medium height, but really thin with small tits and little nips. She went second. I finally blow my load, while her friend was out on my balacony smoking. I passed out after that (second mistake).

I woke up the next morning around 7:30 (luckily), only to wonder why my alarm didn't go off. Then I realized my phone was missing. Then I remembered I had guests last night(did I mention I was drinking???). I was like "oh shit". Checked for my walled, luckily I had the sense to hide it, not very well, but hidden enough. So I still had it, but I was light my cell phone and a brand new electronic dictionary.
So work to the wise, lock your valuables up, or lock them in.

I found out that they left around 6 a.m. rather suspiciously. The attendant said that they both come down, one got on the bike, and the other went back up (to steal my stuff). I have thier license plate of thier bike from the attendant, but their isn't much I can do with it. I can't explain to the cops why I brought two girls to my apartment at 3 a.m..

So the night cost me 900,000 plus 6,000,000 in stolen goods. I'm sure I'll run into them again sooner or later....but....i'm not sure what i'll do if I do.

Ball44

El Frances
04-11-05, 13:00
Ball 44

Pham Ngu Lao girls often steal (that's the bad side of being cheaper than in Dong Khoi area). I remember one time as I had locked all my valuables, a Pham Ngu Lao girl stole me my remaining condoms!

Apart from putting your valuables in a safe place, always make sure that the reception guy only lets the girl go after you have said it's OK.

Saigon Sam
04-11-05, 14:59
Hey Ball44,

What a nightmare! It could have been alot worse. I had a friend from Hong Kong who had all his money and his wife's jewelry stolen (was drinking the night before). Worst of all, his wife came back from a trip to Vung Tau early and did not tell him. The maid had no choice but to let the wife in! The wife caught the girl inside the house but at the time she did not know the jewelry and the guys wallet as in her bag already. In the end his wife left him! So, there you go, your situation could have been much worse! Anyway, glad you you only lost 6 mil!

Albalvr
04-13-05, 05:03
Checked out the Caesar last night in District 5. Had many beauties all between 18 and 22. In my opinion well worth the extra money rather than going for the street girls. Also you might want to get friendly with a taxi or moto driver, they will keep you supplied with many young girls, most of them don't work in bars or on the street.

Case Study
04-14-05, 23:09
Just book my flight today for the end of the month trip to VN. I havent been there since last summer and it will be a welcomed vacation. Just came back in to seek out new info on where the fun is located.

Hopefully not to many changes have taken place, Apocalypse will always be ....well Apocalypse. Sahara seems like an interesting place, if anyone have recent insights please let everyone in.

Girls will steal your stuff. Their pimps will try to steal your shit as well.
If i pay 50$ or more she better look like salma hayek (minus the whole hispanic thing). 500,000 is usually my limit for overnight stay.

Oh side note: Report on the massage in SAIGON BOWL

It's located on the road coming out from the airport in that giant shopping center, every taxi driver should know where it is.

Nice massage, though their jacuzzi was broken last time i was there. Make sure to get yourself nice and clean because the girls wont go BBBJ on you if they think you're not clean.

Good service, although it did take a little convincing for my girls to do it bc they do mostly HJ. I gave her 200,000 for BBBJ. It should not cost you more than that.

So head over there if you feel like a little bowling, some cheap beers, and a night cap.

Oh it's to the right of the disco/bar on the 2nd floor.

Hannover
04-17-05, 05:05
Saigon is really great. Absolutly beauitiful girls, who like to have fun.

There several bars around the Sheraton in Dong Khoi area. In the most bars, the girls try hard to make you pay drinks for them. Ladydrink is mostly about 50000 dong ca. $ 4. Vietnam girls are really not shy, so I was shocked what the girls allready allow their custumers to do with them in the bar. In the end for me it was a little to hard action in these bars and I didn t like to pay many drinks, only for play with girls boobs or pussy in public.

A nice bar to drink you can find, when you leave the Sheraton, turn left and cross the street. The name of the bar was like Ho Jo. Normally 6-8 girls working there. There is not the same hardcore action as in several other bars in this area, but the girls are less pushing the customers for drinks and the bar has a nice atmosphere.

For me a great pic up places are the discotheques like Rainbow Forest or 119(Musicroom). There are a lot of prostitutes hanging around in these places. The girls like to drink and have fun.

I went with one of my friends to 119. Normally we order a bottle of Remy Martin and then it doesn t take long until you have some ladys to drink with you.

One night we took two of them to our hotel. since the disco closed this evening allready at 1 p.m. We decided to have some beers in my room. 5 minutes after arriving my girl asked, if we can shower together. What she did with me under shower was incredible. She blowed like crazy and I was surprised in how many position you can do it in such a small bathroom. I really felt like in a porn movie. After half an hour we went back to the room, where my buddy with his girl were still drinking. I asked my buddy if he can leave with his girl now, since we need the bed to finish something what allready started in the bathroom. He smiled, since they sure heard, that we did something more than take a shower in the bathroom. After they left we finished this session in the bed. I payed her 800000 dong she was happy and left.

Two hours later the girl fromm my buddy knocked at my door, complaining that he refused to have sex with her. In fact my friend don t like so much to fuck around in the world, he only wanted a massage and payed 500000 dong for this. I told her 500000 dong for a massage isn't that bad, but she complained that her friend get 800000 dong from me. My girl allready gave her this massage by sms. I told her, that when we have sex together I will pay her the difference of 300000 dong. I was only kidding, but she took this serious. so porn movie part 2 started. I couldn't belive she really accepted this. But she was absolutly horny. She told me she didn't had a cock since two weeks now and she really need it. Her pussy was allready wet when I put my finger inside. She gave an icredible blow job. Every time when her mouth was full of spittle (and she had a lot of spittle). She took my cock out of her mouth and spit on the floor. This happened 3 times and I was really impresed by this performence. After we finished, I gave her the 300000 dong and she went away. The next morning I told my buddy what happened in the night. He confirmed that he didn't have sex with her but he gave her 700000 instead of, how she told me 500000.

I asked myself should I be angry now :-)) If she wouldn't have lied to me and I knew this, I maybe could have negotiate her down to 100000 dong, :-))

Case Study
04-18-05, 16:26
I'm going to save all you guys the trouble and tell Hannover that he paid a hefty sum for these girls. I wouldnt have given more than 100,000 for a massage. The sex marathon you describe however, was probably well worth the 800,000.

There, I beat the rest of you to it, so now nobody else can bash on Hannover.

Peter43
04-19-05, 02:48
Saigon is really great. Absolutly beauitiful girls, who like to have fun.

There several bars around the Sheraton in Dong Khoi area. In the most bars, the girls try hard to make you pay drinks for them. Ladydrink is mostly about 50000 dong ca. $ 4. Vietnam girls are really not shy, so I was shocked what the girls allready allow their custumers to do with them in the bar. In the end for me it was a little to hard action in these bars and I didn t like to pay many drinks, only for play with girls boobs or pussy in public.

A nice bar to drink you can find, when you leave the Sheraton, turn left and cross the street. The name of the bar was like Ho Jo. Normally 6-8 girls working there. There is not the same hardcore action as in several other bars in this area, but the girls are less pushing the customers for drinks and the bar has a nice atmosphere.

For me a great pic up places are the discotheques like Rainbow Forest or 119(Musicroom). There are a lot of prostitutes hanging around in these places. The girls like to drink and have fun.

I went with one of my friends to 119. Normally we order a bottle of Remy Martin and then it doesn t take long until you have some ladys to drink with you.

One night we took two of them to our hotel. since the disco closed this evening allready at 1 p.m. We decided to have some beers in my room. 5 minutes after arriving my girl asked, if we can shower together. What she did with me under shower was incredible. She blowed like crazy and I was surprised in how many position you can do it in such a small bathroom. I really felt like in a porn movie. After half an hour we went back to the room, where my buddy with his girl were still drinking. I asked my buddy if he can leave with his girl now, since we need the bed to finish something what allready started in the bathroom. He smiled, since they sure heard, that we did something more than take a shower in the bathroom. After they left we finished this session in the bed. I payed her 800000 dong she was happy and left.

Two hours later the girl fromm my buddy knocked at my door, complaining that he refused to have sex with her. In fact my friend don t like so much to fuck around in the world, he only wanted a massage and payed 500000 dong for this. I told her 500000 dong for a massage isn't that bad, but she complained that her friend get 800000 dong from me. My girl allready gave her this massage by sms. I told her, that when we have sex together I will pay her the difference of 300000 dong. I was only kidding, but she took this serious. so porn movie part 2 started. I couldn't belive she really accepted this. But she was absolutly horny. She told me she didn't had a cock since two weeks now and she really need it. Her pussy was allready wet when I put my finger inside. She gave an icredible blow job. Every time when her mouth was full of spittle (and she had a lot of spittle). She took my cock out of her mouth and spit on the floor. This happened 3 times and I was really impresed by this performence. After we finished, I gave her the 300000 dong and she went away. The next morning I told my buddy what happened in the night. He confirmed that he didn't have sex with her but he gave her 700000 instead of, how she told me 500000.

I asked myself should I be angry now :-)) If she wouldn't have lied to me and I knew this, I maybe could have negotiate her down to 100000 dong, :-))Hannover,

To pay 500000 vnd is way to much for a massage. The best massage in town is 76 Pasteur. The girls are great and it costs 60000 vnd per hour. Plus you can date the girls after work. The going rate for a really nice girl from any bar is 500000-700000 for all night.

Sixty
04-22-05, 20:36
Hi fellow mongers,

3 years ago I was in HCMC and went to one of the Cat Dang Cafes (one of them on Tran Hung Dao Street). Very nice location, good music and entertainment programm.
Many young delicious girls working there. And some are even asking my phone number. But never tried them.

Did one of you have experience with the workers in these cafes? Are they professionals?

Thanks in advance,

Regards,

Sixty

Whisper1
04-25-05, 10:21
FYI,

The address of Cat Dang Cafe is 917 Tran Hung Dao. It's located on the left hand side if you are traveling from District 1.


Hi fellow mongers,

3 years ago I was in HCMC and went to one of the Cat Dang Cafes (one of them on Tran Hung Dao Street). Very nice location, good music and entertainment programm.
Many young delicious girls working there. And some are even asking my phone number. But never tried them.

Did one of you have experience with the workers in these cafes? Are they professionals?

Thanks in advance,

Rgds,

Sixty

Asian Rain
04-26-05, 18:34
Thanks to Ball 44 and Saigon Sam for the previous posts on SW/motorbike girl areas. I tried both of these areas with good results.

First tried the Independence Palace area at corner of Thi Minh Khai and Tran Cong Chua. First tried this area a little early and didn't observe much action. If you happen to go early on an evening where there is a live performance at the cultural park, people will gather to listen on Thi Minh Khai, so there won't be any girls stopping.

I went back past 10:30pm, strolled slowly in the shadows of the shops on Thi Minh Khai and in less than a minute girls were pulling up on motos to proposition me. They just swarmed in. Oh yeah, go hotel boom-boom. As I noticed it the girls seemed to be in the 22-28yo range and all seemed reasonably pleasant looking. It took a couple girls (ST prices quoted $10-30 range) to find the right girl, and settled on a sweetie who agreed to pics. Off we went to some ST hotel next to Sahara bar. $10 for fan room. Service was uninspired but did the job. The girl had a muff as thick as a jungle. It would take a machete to hack it down. Will post pics to illustrate.

I had another pickup from same location on another visit. I was a little disturbed to be taken to the same hotel next to the Sahara, which made me think that there is some link with the TMK girls. The only thing that pissed me off was that the girl reneged on the promise for pics once in the hotel. I hate when a chica goes back on her word and plays like she didn't understand.

I also strolled the area on Thi Minh Khai entrance to zoo - after 10pm. Same mode of operation as above. Fairly cute girls cruising by on motos to take helpless-looking foreigner to hotel for boom-boom. I thought the best thing is to stand at one of the bus stops up from the zoo entrance, which allows the girls stop on the sidewalk and negotiate in privacy behind the bus stop. It is will-lit at night and there is lots of traffic going by, so a little privacy can be a plus. Didn't actually try these girls, but can verify that the action is buzzing.

The gem of my last trip was a girl I met right across the street from the Sofitel. Returned after meeting at 4:30pm and spotted a cutie just standing across the street. Went up to my room to drop off bag and the girl was still standing at the curb - slightly suspicious. I walked down and across the street and she was talking to a local guy. I just sat down at the bus stop and got out my cell phone. The girl broke off with the local guy and walked up to me. I smiled and she sat down. Bingo. Some small chit-chat and I said "hotel?" She smiled and nodded her head. I went up to the room to get my gear (small backpack with towel, video camera, condoms and lube). We went off to a ST hotel and had a great time - enthusiastic BBBJ and great FS.

Other tibits from the trip:

(1) Apocalypse - stopped in to check out action twice and was disappointed. No unoccupied stunners and remainders were best left alone. Found myself playing more pool and paying for overpriced drinks.

(2) Hai Ba Trung - stopped into a bar on Hai Ba Trung with a business friend. If you are male - alone or otherwise - the doors will be opened as you walk by and the tout/girls will encourage you to go in. Can't remember the name of the bar we tried, but it was closest to the Pomodoro Italian restaurant. Price for beer was VND25k and lady drinks was VND50k. Buying a lady drink earns you the right to feel up your girl - mine had very nice tits (no bra and easy to feel) and a tight ass. After the first round (the girls seem to be trained to drink their drinks in 15min intervals before they pester you for another round), the girls offered to go to hotel. Price quoted was US$50 for ST and $20 for hotel. Both of us were not in the frame of mind to pay that, so we paid and left. The girls will give you their cell phone numbers for direct meetings, which offers some savings potential for later meetings.

(3) Cafe across from Caravelle - spotted a few SWs at the little park in front of the cafe across from the Caravelle hotel. The quality seemed a bit iffy, so I didn't bother to check out the details.

That's it for now. Enjoy HCMC!

Draco
05-04-05, 22:56
Anybody,

What street is Apocalypse Now nightclub? I'm near the Sheraton, and believe it or not the hotel staff and a couple motorbike drivers didn't know where it is.

I'm also looking for the streets for Rainbow Forest and 119 (Music Room)

Thanks!

Saigon Sam
05-05-05, 06:51
Anybody,

What street is Apocalypse Now nightclub? I'm near the Sheraton, and believe it or not the hotel staff and a couple motorbike drivers didn't know where it is.

I'm also looking for the streets for Rainbow Forest and 119 (Music Room)

Thanks!Apocalypse Now is on "Thi Sach Street" on the left hand side as you head towards the river. From the Sheraton, turn left as you walk out the doors and go stright until the street ends. The end intersection is Thi Sach Street.

Rain Forest is on Thu Khoa Huan. From the Sheraton, walk down Dong Khoi Street (towards the river) and you should see a Yamaha Motorcycle shop. Its right beside Yamaha.

119 is on Nguyen Hue Street. Also walking distance from the Sheraton. Its near the intersection where the Cathay Pacific office is. Across the street from the Palace Hotel

Irjle
05-12-05, 23:24
Report continuing from Pattaya.

What a shame, HCMC. Hai Ba Trung, the street that 10 years ago was full of billiards with nice, shy ladies to choose from with no hassle, has become like this: you walk, a guy standing out a closed door knocks on it, 3 or 4 girls come at the (now open) door and call you. Quality of the girls: very low. Once inside, they literally assault you until you choose one and pay a drink to her (and yourself). She takes your hands and put them everywhere, and once you are drunk and horny she asks for 800.000 (80 USD!!!!!) for the night. WHAT?? Were they beauties, ok. But beauties they are not. And the entire procedure is so frantic! I want to relax in these places, not being harassed. Ten years ago miniskirts were not existent, now they go topless after 2 minutes you are there, trying to entice you. Somebody should tell the owners that this attitude will keep most customers away. And the famous U2 (which is in Mac Thi Buoi, close to Hai Ba Trung) is just like the others: yes there are 20 girls and you are the only customer, but girls are really a 5 or 6 at best. A waste of time. I had no time to check the disco scene, but I was hooked while walking in a dep. store by 2 "normal" girls. I was with a friend, we went to dinner and one girl came to my hotel room. She claimed to be a tourist guide, which is entirely possible (she spoke good english and was not a stunner, just a 6) but in the morning she asked for a gift. 500.000. Ok, she was very sweet after all, and a good fuck.

Another big difference from 10 years ago is that no motorbike girl (or transvestite) approaches tourists on the main roads (Nguyen Hue, Dong Khoi, Pham Ngu Lao). And the garden area in front of Rex hotel that used to be full of idle young beauties, is now full of families with plenty of children. My guess is that police attitude has changed towards street action, and everything is more or less confined in bars, karaoke and discos. This could be due to some recent crackdown, and therefore is a temporary situation, or not: we'll see.

Hotel: Thang Long in Mac Thi Buoi, wonderful location, 25 usd negotiable but no windows in room. For 30 usd you get windows. Cleaner than my own house, great staff.

Now an interesting story: I met 2 Italian guys, first time in Vietnam. They too were hooked in a shop by 2 nice girls. They went to a karaoke in the evening, but no fuck, just a nice evening out, hand in hand. The next evening they were supposed to meet again for a dinner on a boat (on the river: the trip takes 2 hours with dinner). Yes the girls came: with their families!!! Brothers, parents, grandparents. The guys put a brave face on and paid the dinner to everybody. But they never met the girls again. Well, understandable.

Follows in Hanoi section.

Ozirob
05-15-05, 10:55
Back from another visit to wonderful Vietnam !

I mentioned in a previous post about staying in touch with girls, and returning - well, the return visit led to a trip away together up to NhaTrang. Just great with no hang-ups about who might see her. No problems with non girl friendly hotels as because she was not local there was no requirement to book an extra room. Altogether a nice few days with a cute and sexy girl to help me navigate my way round excellent local restaurants in NhaTrang.

Stayed at the Yasaka. Rooms seemed a bit tired but only cost US$50. My friend had never been on a plane and got air sick which was a bit sad for her but she was on such a high about the trip that it was just nothing. Once off the plane and after the 40klm drive to the hotel straight into it without me even making a move! Just straight sex but very GF feel.

Snooze then shower together, then out for a feed of Tom Hap? before coming back to the hotel for another round then sleep. Guess what? A tap on the shoulder at some stage during the night for another round!

The three days pretty well turned out to be my asian fantasy. Back to HCMC and some reality. Very friendly and cuddly in the taxi. Some great dinners but no mini hotel.

I'm going back again before the end of the year and hope to take her up to DaLat.

I'll let you know how I go!

Ozirob

Asian Rain
05-18-05, 18:37
In for a quick visit to HCMC. Stopped in front of the Caravelle and a very average girl approached me, quoting $50 for FS. I politely declined and moved on. These girls are looking for businessmen from the 5-star hotels.

I strolled over to the the Zoo entrance on Thi Minh Khai just about 9pm. The ladies were out on thier motos. I just sat down on the steps behind the bus stop adjacent the zoo entrance (across from the Mitsubishi car dealership). The quality of girls was very high... more girls in the 20-22 range by my guess. This time I saw many girls on bicycle as well. I thought these girls might be a little less pro-oriented than the moto girls, so I waved one over.

A nice packaged pedaled over. We had a quick chat and negotiated for FS with video included - showed her the camera to ensure no problems. She nodded her head and we were on our way. Pedaled over to a nearby mini hotel (Thu Thuy Hotel on Dinh Chieu), paid $10 and went up. Was pleased to see an aircon! Highly recommended.

Anyway, I found that the service was much more relaxed than what I got from the girls near Independence Palace. These girls seem to be true freelancers and don't have the mercenary attitude. Girl was a bit shy, but got some good shots on video. For the finale, got her in doggy position and shot my load all over her ass. Just what the doctor ordered. Paid her US$30, which may have been over the bar, but much better experience than the $20 girls I have had in other parts of town.

Walked back up TMK on my way to hotel and spotted at least 3 girls better than the one I had just shagged. No regrets, but I promised myself to give this area more attention on my next visit. As far as street action goes, I think this is the best spot in HCMC.

El Frances
05-24-05, 08:44
My dream, a girl on bicycle! Thanks for the tip, Asian Rain, I will try it next time I am in HCMC.

Txmanny
05-26-05, 15:00
Just got back from Saigon. Spent the better of 7 weeks there. Will be back again mid-June. What a country!!! Here are some scoops:

1) Apocalypse Now - like prior posts I want to reiterate that this place is not worth your time or money. Drinks are too expensive and the ratio of men to women most nights is 5:1. The "working" girls are mostly in the older range (27-35) and not worth the asking price.

2) Club Liquid on Hai Ba Trung - see number 1.

3) Corner bar (2nd level of the Saigon Tourist building in District 1) - Excellent music and overall good feel. Great place to bring your gf in for a few drinks. Not a place, however, to find "working" girls.

4) Bia oms (aka karaoke bars) - these are great places to pick up high quality girls albeit you must know which ones to go to or you WILL be ripped off. I highly recommend you take a TRUSTWORTHY and CLEVER interpreter with you if you are not well versed in the language. This will ensure you a good time. If you head down Nguyen Phi Khanh in District one you will find several bia oms located on that street. These bia oms tend to be friendlier than others I've ran across. General rule: tip the mamasan 100,000 dong, tip the girl you are sitting with 100,000 (200,000 if you like her to ensure possible future rendezvous), and never ask for sexual acts on your first visits. At these particular scenes, you will need to make at least a couple of visits before you can ask the girl to go out with you. The girls you hook up with here, if you are successful, are good not only for the current trip but for future trips back to the country.

5) Club Vivas in District one – decent weekend scene. Girls are average to above-average in quality. Average price is 1,000,000 dong for foreigners and 700,000-800,000 for viet kieu. Working girls at your bars and clubs tend to charge this price. It seems to be market value now. Just a word of caution, I’ve noticed many locals using ecstasy and other drugs at these clubs (particularly Vivas) so watch your drinks.

6) Club Que Huong – this club is located on the basement of Que Huong hotel on Hai Ba Trung. It’s just down the street from Liquid. Above-average working girls. The club’s mamasan will bring you a companion at your request. However, these are the priciest working girls I’ve ran across. My buddy’s companion requested 1,000,000 dong per session (1 session = 1 release) and mine asked for 2,000,000 for half a night’s work. We both quickly told both girls to go f*** themselves. This club also charges a ton for a drink.

7) Club 501 in District 6 – this is by-far the best club that I ran across. Excellent working girls for a reasonable price. The go-go dancers (19-22 yo) are a great looking bunch and more than willing to go with you. However, most of these girls will meet up with you during the afternoon the next day for a good time because most are too exhausted and drunk to go with you after work (they are required to work until midnight).

That’s it for now. Enjoy.

Txmanny
05-26-05, 21:39
Forgot this particular useful tip: Stay away from District 4 and 7 in HCMC. These districts are notorious for robberies and scams especially when the sun goes down.

Lucifer96
05-30-05, 14:33
This is a late report but enjoy anyway ...

Was in HCMC about 2 weeks back and was staying at Caravelle Hotel. One evening I went to Zeus Karaoke with a few local friends and took on 2 girls while there. Did some singing and drinking and then decided to take both the girls back for a threesome. Of course at that time of night I couldn't take them back to Caravelle thus they suggested going to one of the love hotels. Short time rate of USD25 per room. Sadly though the girls were probably shy and decided to gdo it one at a time. Here I was trying to speak in English wanting a threesome and the girls saying no. Anyway, I proceeded with the first girl and did the normal routine, bbbj and fj. Then when I was done I sent her home and got the other one in. Amazing. This is full of nonsense. But the Black Label was working ok and I completed round 2 about 45 minutes later.

The second girl was wonderful though. So I got her number and called her to my hotel the following day. Then only I had the one of the best fucking sessions ever. This girl had a glistening body, tight pussy and beautiful breasts. Her suck job was slurpy-icious and fuck job bonka-licious. Thu was her name and if you get to Zeus remember Lucifer sent you there for Thu ...

Asian Rain
05-31-05, 06:06
The rainy season has begun in HCMC... terribly hot and humid mornings followed by a predictable dump of heavy rain in the late afternoons. The humidity is a killer. Came in on Saturday for golf on Sunday with mates, thinking this would be an average mongering visit. To my surprise, this trip was particulaly adventurous - everything from ripoffs to gruesome death.

==SATURDAY==
After dinner with a friend we stopped into a dodgy bar next to the Lotteria at the corner of Le Thanh Ton and Thai Van Lung. Escorted up to the second floor and found bar/pool tabe and circa 8 ladies for service. The girls were very pushy, but I wanted my mate to have a good time, so we stayed for a bit. Beer was VND30k and lady drinks quoted at VND60k. Even more expensive than Hai Ba Trung Bars. Let the ladies work on my mate while I hit the pool table - 3 girls were feeling him up and giving him massage. We asked the quote for FS, mamasan replied USD60 for ST and we can use a room upstairs for free. We declined. Came time for the bill and was very pissed to see that the girls had ordered extra drinks as well as bullshit items like "cold towels" and "pool table." VND1,000,000. Threw a fit and ended up paying VND800,000. Lesson: count drinks and never entertain bullshit charges.

Left my friend at the hotel and went to the area in front of the zoo (see post below for directions). Walked down to the corner entrance and did not notice the same number of girls as before and did not spot any girls on bicycle. Sat in front of the Mitsubishi dealership and waited. After about 10min began to notice the familiar pattern of a number of girls doing the U-turn - they are the pros. Word of advice - the girls will not always stop and proposition you. After another 15min I noticed a real cutie and quietly waved her over. We quickly negotiated VND300k with video (showed her the camera) and went off to mini hotel for boom boom. The girl - Linh - was 19 and had a cute face and smile, great body, very firm tits and a tight ass and pussy. The FS was average though, no BJ. Her pussy was very tight. Finished with a blow over her ass. She wanted a tip for the video - gave her VND40k extra and had her moto me back to the hotel. Very friendly service.

==SUNDAY==
Hot and humid day of golf at Song Bey. Very expensive unless you know a member. Out for steak dinner with mates and boss in the evening followed by visit to Hai Ba Trung bars - we tried 51 Hai Ba Trung. Groped girls for an hour - beer at VND25k and lady drinks at VND50k. Total damage was VND800k. Boss lamely said he didn't have any dong, so I re-wrote the reciept as "4 set meals @VND200k" for the expense claim. Thank goodness for the company entertainment dole.

Back to the zoo for more action. I saw a huge crowd of people in front of the zoo entrance and walked up, expecting to see an accident. Was shocked to see a guy who had been on a moto lying in the street with a pool of blood around his head. He had the right side of his head crushed and a large chunk of his brain had landed 3 meters up the road. People were just gawking and talking. I thought to take out my video cam and get some pics, but didn't want to cause a stir with so many people. I walked up the street towards the bridge and people were literally running up the street to see the accident. Yuck.

Sat at the edge of the bridge on the side of the small park and waited a bit and saw Linh drive by. Smiled but didn't wave her over. Linh drove back up and two minutes later she pulled up with another girl on the back of her moto. Introduced her as her friend and said "picture okay boom boom" while making a clicking camera sign language. This is the best reason for treating girls right - if you take care of them, they will take care of you. The girl didn't have the greatest face, but her body was nice. Decided to go for it and went to same ST hotel. This girl - Thuy - was GREAT. She loved the video and was the closest I have had to a PSE in Vietnam. Very relaxed take-your-time service. Great posing - showed her firm tits and had a nice pink pussy with just a bit of hair. Nice blow job. Loved my mini vibrator. Multi-position fuck. Spread her legs wide and had a wonderful blow over her pink beaver. Put a BIG smile on my face.

On the walk back the crowd was gone and took a few pics of the moto loaded onto a truck. Will post along with some pics of the street to give you all an idea of the area.

==MONDAY==
Same introduction pattern as above. Noticed again that the girls were not driving up to the Mitsubishi dealership - they did the turnaround at the end of the bridge, so you may have to walk up further than the zoo.

This time the girl was almost a complete waste of time. Rather uncooperative and service was crap. Oh well, hit and miss. I had to threaten to walk out twice as she was under the impression that I would just walk in, slip on a condom and screw. I guess that is what she gets from the local guys. I could never get her name - she had zero language skills or understanding skills. Anyway, puttered through the session and got relief.

All-in-all an interesting visit. 3 days. 3 girls. 3 levels of service. You can't appreciate the highs unless you experience the lows. Pics to be posted in near future.

AR+

Csflat
05-31-05, 11:00
Hey brother Asian Rain,

Wow, great story man. I have a question for you. Last year I was thinking of playing golf VN but didnt like what I saw on the internet quote price. They were asking $60 U.S to $150 U.S dollars. What was the damage on a round of golf for you guys? Was there a caddy for you? How many holes can you play? I saw one course in Hue or Da Nang or HCMC (not sure which one) that you can play 72 holes. That 4 full course of 18 holes.

Please do not post the picture of the accident because it not for the ill-hearted person. I seen two fatal accident there and it made me feel uneasy to see such tragedy. I have a crystal clear image in my head right now and I feel compelled to do something at the time to help the person lying on the ground but couldnt cus that person was already dead.

Sad story but had to say something about it. so other people might know what their getting into if you post the picture of the accident.

Anyway, once again great story from you man.

PS. Did you get your threesome Lind and her motto friend?

Danfield7
06-01-05, 05:22
Hi All,

Plan to visit HCMC soon. Can anyone tell me what is the exchange rate(USD), Good Hotel, Fun place to get girls and drinks, what to beware off etc.

p.s I'm Asian (Malaysian)

Thanks

Asian Rain
06-01-05, 16:00
Csflat,

Thanks for the comments. I have only played at Song Bey at the member price of $30, but I was told that the weekend walk-in price is a horriffic $150!I understand there are a few other courses near HCMC, but similarly expensive or distant. The course quality was reasonably high and caddies were included, but overall quality was so-so. I would stick to Thailand and Indonesia for my golf.

Don't worry. I didn't take any pics of the accident itself and I would never post gory pics to a monger forum. I have seen a moto death in Cambodia as well. Lesson to all... if you get on a moto, wear a helmet!

I am sure I could have gotten two girls to go to the room, but they would have been worthless in a threesome. These girls don't know anything about doing a lesbo show... recommend to stick to the basics with these girls.

AR+

Member #2234
06-07-05, 05:44
Hi guys,

Sorry for not posting in a long time, been very busy. Anyway, just to let you guys know I am still in Sai Gon if anyone is here and wants to meet up for a coffee/chat. I just met a Malaysian member on this forum last week here in Sai Gon (can't remember his nickname on here lol). Anyway bro, it was nice meeting you and keep in contact if you read this.

Anyway guys, my VN number is +84908674826 if anyone wishes to text me.

See you guys soon.

The Sun Prince
06-07-05, 09:38
Member,

Hope you're having a nice time. I'll be there at the end of the year. Lately, I read that there are a lot of 'crack downs' related to the drug scene. Any discernable effect down there?

Keep us posted, thanks!

Member #2234
06-12-05, 02:54
Yep m8,

There has been a lot of crack down recently, the government are being right B&^(*tards closing all the top clubs down. Anyway, still a few great RICH LOCAL clubs around.

WayneKing
06-17-05, 11:07
Hi All
Took some advice from the board and had a trip to the zoo one evening. What a pleasnt surprise. Got my moto to drop me off right outside. (I am sure he thought I was mad as there was no-one around)
Right away girls started wizzing by on their motorbikes and were asking those magical words...'Boom-boom!!'
Well i had a look at a few and settled on quite a cute one...she showed five fingers...i showed four and we were off.
Not the most erotic of action...cbj and boom and there was a fair bit of very fake (almost amusing) groans. But all in all good fun and a must for the serial monger.
Seemed to be an endless stream of cute girls and really hassle free...
Wayne

Member #2234
06-19-05, 02:50
Hi guys, sorry not been posting for a while, I have been really busy setting up a new business and getting all the contact info I need for the business. Anyway, it's now all setup and might be of use to some members of this board.

I have set up a a tourist travel agency business.
This includes:

Helping members book into hotels.

(This service is FREE of charge, you pay the hotel DIRECTLY for the length of your stay, the reason I do not charge is because I am hoping the member will hire our cars for airport pick up and also maybe travel tours, but this is NOT A MUST, if the member chooses NOT TO USE my travel and tourist guide services then the hotel booking IS STILL FREE of charge, no ties I promise)

I can provide members with fairly priced nice strict straight hotels, and I can also book members into hotels which ALLOW (know what I mean)

Room prices start from 180,000vnd - 350,000vnd, single and double rooms available, all rooms have air conditioning, these ARE NOT private illegal houses, these are REAL GENUINE HOTELS

Picking up members directly from the AIRPORT (we will have name plates) and driving members directly TO THE HOTEL

Providing ENGLISH SPOKEN GIRL TOURIST GUIDES, whom will show members all around saigon, bars, clubs, sights, or if the member just wishes to have a coffee then fair be it, etc. etc. (for more specific info contact me directly)

Providing members with a vehicle if neccessary to travel around Saigon(saves lots of taxi bills, and our vehicles will be there for you whenever you wish waiting at the door of which ever place you happen to be in.

Providing members with a vehicle to travel other parts of Vietnam, ie. Nha Trang, Vung Tau etc. etc. (members can make up their mind on this service when they arrive in Saigon, no rush, we have plenty of vehicles from 4 seaters to 16 seaters depending how many people are going)

Introducing Vietnamese girls for MARRIAGE
We can JUST INTRODUCE or we can also arrange FULL LEGAL PAPER WORK stating the girl has not been previously married and arrange all the neccessary paper work for the marriage to take place and for the member to apply for the spouse to go abroad.

*We are a travel and tourist agency

We do not provide illegal prostitution, we only book the members into the hotels, when the hotels provide girls then that is between the customer and the hotel* (sorry, I have to write this to keep ourselves in the clear, thank you for understanding)

My e-mail is [Email Address deleted by Admin]

My text number is +84908674826 (you can also phone but sometimes I cannot answer the phone due to being busy or maybe due to driving, so please do not be offended if I cannot answer the phone immediately)

OK guys, I hope this service is maybe good to some of you.

If not then please don't flame me for putting this up, I am only trying to provide a service for the members which concerns Vietnam and girls and sites etc.

I hope I have offended no-one, if I have then I apologise in advance

Regards

Member #2234

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SE Asia Joe
06-27-05, 05:48
Was in HCM last week and since I was with business associates, could not get out to prowl. OTH, I came prepared and had previously gotten contacts for a provider from people I knew in Macau.

I phoned the provider and settled on US$100 for the night (she asked 150 originally - and yes I know that I probably over paid) and within 15 minutes, she was in my room at the Renaissance Riverside - which really amazed me as I saw signs all over the place that visitors were not allowed in rooms at night, plus there seems to be quite an effective doorman always shooing away girls from their front door.
QUESTION - how safe is it to get a girl the way I did - how strict are the laws against prostitution in Vietnam?

She was quite a stunner - tall thin with fantastically large boobs and a beautiful face - she was very fair skinned and looks practically Northern Chinese - ain't nuthin wrong with her AT ALL!!. She tells me in basic Cantonese that she works during the day at a cosmetic counter at a department store and only does this 'irregularly.' I think is probably true as the telephone number I was given for her had been turned off for a couple days and I only managed to get thru to her after midnight.

SE Asia Joe

El Frances
06-27-05, 09:12
SE Asia Joe

There is not much risk. The Police usually does not intrude in expensive international hotels. On the other hand, these hotels usually don't allow vietnamese visitors after 11 pm. In case of problem, 500 $ would solve the problem.
Enjoy it!

Ball44
06-27-05, 11:12
Sorry I haven't posted in while. I've hit Ba Ba a few time recently. It's a beer bar/coffee shop on the side street accross from the circus off of pham nau lao (spelling...sorry). They have a good choice of working girls. Short time 300 thousand and overnite 500 thousand. They have a few cuties there, and the owner is pretty nice too.
I noticed the line of girls on the corner of palace and win dem men khai (spelling...sorry) again. It was a Saturday night again and they were definately working girls. Some of them descent quality too.
I've been meaning to check out the beer/pool places on Hai Bai Trung street down town, but I've only read bad things about those places on this board. Does anyone know of any good ones along that street? Also, i've heard about some topless/lesbian show places also, if you have any information on these send it my way too (pm me). Keep on posting....

Ball 44

Member #2234
06-28-05, 02:42
Hi guys, I'm being honest and biased when I say this, because I have lived in VN now for quite a while and know my way around and live and speak etc. just like a local. STAY AWAY from these street girls on Nguyen Thi Minh Khai ! Yes fair enough, some of them are nice (I go past and look all the time, but never touch), none of them are CITY PEOPLE (they come from the villages and also down from Hanoi), usually the reason they stand on the streets is because the WORKING PLACES will not hire them anymore because of :

1. drug habit
2. sexual disease

Most of them usually work in places like BIA OM (drink beer and FONDLE girls) and BJ parlours etc. before hand

This is not always the case of course, but from what the LOCALS know, this is USUALLY the case. Better being SAFE than SORRY guys in my opinion.

Also for people who ask the CYCLO drivers to get them girls, where do you think they get the girls from? Do you really think the POOR cyclo driver is a PIMP and has contacts? Nope, the simply go down to NTMK etc. and get the girls to go to the hotels ;) Not clean or professional at all :(

Please do not flasme me, I am just giving my honest opinion as I have been in VN for a long time as some of the members on this board who know me can vouch. Sorry if I have offended anyone.

Hope this info has been of help to someone though.

El Frances
06-28-05, 08:46
member #2234

I guess you're right. I also never take street girls in vietnam.

Asian Rain
06-28-05, 15:26
Hi guys, I'm being honest and biased when I say this ...STAY AWAY from these street girls on Nguyen Thi Minh Khai ! Yes fair enough, some of them are nice (I go past and look all the time, but never touch), none of them are CITY PEOPLE ... usually the reason they stand on the streets is because the WORKING PLACES will not hire them anymore because of :

1. drug habit
2. sexual disease

This is not always the case of course, but from what the LOCALS know, this is USUALLY the case. Better being SAFE than SORRY guys in my opinion.

Please do not flasme me, I am just giving my honest opinion as I have been in VN for a long time as some of the members on this board who know me can vouch. Sorry if I have offended anyone.

Hope this info has been of help to someone though.

I disagree with this assessment. Having EXPERIENCED girls from Apocalypse, Saigon-Saigon, Caravelle SWs, Palace SWs and Hai Ba Trung bar girls, I cannot say with any factual evidence that TMK girls are any less drug-free or cleaner than so-called city girls. Whatever the case, wear a condom and you will be okay. That's sensible for any segment of working girls to avoid the pitfalls referred to above.

Having said that, I think I should remind #2234 that this is a board for sharing information about mongering. If TMK isn't a good place to get girls, than what is? I invite #2234 - or any other member - to post some relevant information about good spots to find good girls at a reasonable price. Reviewing #2234's previous posts, I was not able to identify any recent useful information for mongers about where to go as a solid alternative. On the other hand, I have seen blatant advertisements for a car hire service, female tourist guides and a coffee shop with girls (with a not-so-subtle hint that the girls may be available for something more than serving coffee). Although I was not offended by the posts, I thought they belonged more appropriately in the Classified Ads thread of the forum.

Anybody who has an opinion - by all means, express it. But it would be more useful when backed up by facts. Even more useful would be solid alternatives. To be frank, when it comes from a member who is flogging products at me in a mongering info thread, I have to be a bit skeptical.

Peace to all and have fun in HCMC. AR+

Run Mann
06-28-05, 15:57
Interesting stuff! By viewing the numerous pics you've posted where you were engaged in sex without a condom, one would have thought that you did not subscribe to the use of condoms. Good advice though.


Whatever the case, wear a condom and you will be okay.
Peace to all and have fun in HCMC. AR+

Member #2234
06-29-05, 02:39
I knew my post would offend someone on here. I truly apologise to this member. My intensions were not to make my services look good by putting down the street girls, if you got this impression then I truly apologise, truthfully. What I was trying to say was, if it was me (I am NOT advertising, please put that part ASIDE) I would not go with the street girls here from what I have heard from the locals, I would rather go the a more high class place like catwalk etc. and pick up a girl there (catwalk has NOTHING to do with me whatsoever, I am not advertising). Yes all be it, they are expensive compared to the street girls but I personally would feel alot safer being with them than a street girl. When you drive past NTMK street and look at the girls, you will see at the street corners sitting on bikes are their PIMPS, also driving up and down the street all the time, this (maybe it's nothing) alone makes me feel very unsafe because I have heard stories of where a working street girl will take a foreigner (and locals) to THEIR ROOM and then the pimp will burst in and cause trouble, or in some cases they pretend to be police or something and come into the room etc. All I am trying to express is that I PERSONALLY do not feel safe this way, I would rather take an expensive girl back to the hotel where I am staying and having PEACE OF MIND. Also in my opinion, EXPENSIVE girls thereotically speaking, would not have as many customers as the street girls, so personally for me I like this better. (I'd rather I be her FIRST ONE TODAY, than her TENTH ONE TODAY) :)

Once again I truly apologise, the last thing I wanted to do was to get on the wrong side of a board member :( SORRY

Wendella
06-30-05, 05:50
Dear Txmanny,

You mentioned this place: "Club 501 in District 6"

Sorry, but can you give a little more info? -- such as which street it's on, address possibly, or how to get there. And are you sure it's District SIX? I'd love to go check it out, but I have a feeling I won't find it with just this much info to go on.

Thanks!

Txmanny
06-30-05, 23:54
Sorry guys. The name of the club is not 501. I was mistaken. The name of the club is 4 Trong 1. It's located on Hau Giang street in District 6. This club is located in the area called Cho Lon. This area is predominately Chinese populated. I don't remember the exact address. I'm pretty sure both the taxi drivers and bikers can get you to this club. By the way, I went and checked out Rainforest (Mua Rung) club on my last trip there. It's definitely a waste of money and time so don't bother. There is a decent club called Pine Tree (Thonh Xanh) close by the main airport. It's under remodeling but you guys should check it out. The girls are pretty dang good looking.

Txmanny
06-30-05, 23:58
Forgot to mention this. Club 4 Trong 1 is located right across the street from a Sieu Thi (aka Supermarket) called Hau Giang in district 6.

Wendella
07-01-05, 07:37
Thanks. I've been to the Pine Tree spot. There's another up that way called Paradise that recently reopened, pretty good too. And two more right across the street from it -- one is Night Star and the other next door to it I don't remember the name of. Those two are very similar, a slight step below Paradise. Thanks again, Will let you know how it goes.

Wendella
07-03-05, 07:35
UPDATE

Went to 4 Trong 1 last night (Saturday) not arriving until 10:45 or so, which probably is too late on a weekend night. It's a very big place, all the customers and action on the main floor. By the time we got there, no good tables were left and everyone who was going to hook up seemed to have done so already. In contrast to the Pine Tree place, which seems like 95% male clientele, this one is far more mixed -- lots of real couples and big tables full of parties. So it wasn't clear to me who was game for being picked up there. I guess I have to go on a weeknight, and earlier.

Btw, of those karaoke oms you've checked out, did you (or anyone) ever go to one called Do Club on Dien Bien Phu, just near Hai Ba Trung? Stopped in there one night for just a beer, and there were plenty of cute girls sitting around waiting to keep a guy company. But I've been a victim of the karaoke om scam before, so very leery to move forward.

Txmanny
07-03-05, 18:33
Wendella,

I tend to visit 4 Trong 1 on weekdays. This is for several reasons: more girls to choose from, avoid a big crowd which tends to draw troubles, and the service overall tends to be better. You should aim to arrive around 9pm or 9:30pm at the latest. You will be approached by girls if you arrived early enough and get a table. If you are not approached by anyone, get a hold of one of the managers there to get you some company. Managers are easy to pick out, they all dress up and wear ties (it's polite to tip the manager 50,000 dong for bringing you some company). Keep an eye out for those gals standing by customers' tables and dancing when you are there. These are working gals for the club so they are not allowed to sit. If you find one you like, get the waiter to go get her for you. Be cautious and selective because it's customary to tip the gal that keeps you company once you leave, so don't just grab the first one you see because you may run into a better one later and have to end up tipping more than one gal. Tipping your girl will keep her happy and ensure possible future rendezvous. The least you must tip is 50,000 dong. 100,000 dong if you really like her. Regarding karaoke om, good ones to visit include Truc Mai 1 (not Truc Mai 2) on Nguyen Phi Khanh street in district one and Khanh Loc on ?Que Quang street? close by Truc Mai 1 (just ask for Khanh Loc once you get on Nguyen Phi Khanh street and just about anyone there can point you to this karaoke place). Khanh Loc has two dang good looking gals (Phuong and Thuy). They are sisters. Phuong is 17 and Thuy is 19. You should check this place out, I'm sure you will find it to your liking. If you go to Khanh Loc, ask for mammason Mai or Duyen. Just for reminder though, it's customary again to tip your mammason.

Have fun!

Wendella
07-04-05, 11:43
Do you mean Tran Quang Khai, the bigger main street just ahead of Nguyen Phi Khanh as you head away from Vo Thi Sau? That's the only street nearby that sounds at all similar to Que Quang. If you go up Nguyen Phi Khanh to the intersection where three different streets meet, it's there. Its the busy street at that end. Lots of tall trees line it on either side, and its a bit narrow, with two way traffic. Thanks.

Txmanny
07-04-05, 18:27
Nope, Que Quang is a little street that you will encounter prior to Tran Quang Khai if you are on Nguyen Phi Khanh heading away from Vo Thi Sau. This Que Quang street is the last 3 way intersection you will encounter on Nguyen Phi Khanh before encountering Tran Quang Khai. Turn lf on Que Quang street from Nguyen Phi Khanh. Khanh Loc is the only karaoke on that street. Que Quang is a very small street that dead ends quite quickly. Just remember if you go there to tell the waiters not to bring any of the side items (such as chips, gum, jerkeys, etc.). Just ask for a case of you choice of beer and a plate of fruits. Never let them sucker you into eating the side items or order food from these karaoke places (even if your gal tells you she is hungry) b/c the food is charged way too high for the lack of quality you get. Remember to ask for either mammason Mai or Duyen. Tell them you were sent there by a regular. This place and Truc Mai 1 are pretty customer friendly (ie lack of scams) but as always though, use your common sense.

Member #2234
07-05-05, 13:28
Thanks. I've been to the Pine Tree spot. There's another up that way called Paradise that recently reopened, pretty good too. And two more right across the street from it -- one is Night Star and the other next door to it I don't remember the name of. Those two are very similar, a slight step below Paradise. Thanks again, Will let you know how it goes.The one next door is called BUMBI (I know cause my shop is only a few doors down on the same side of the street)

If you like Thong Xanh then you will definately like 261 (same owners, but 261 is alot more busier and more famous than TX, alot of models and pop stars, models etc. go there. It's really for the rich locals and viet kieu's)

Need anymore help in this area of Sai Gon then let me know. I know my way around this area very good as I have stayed in this area and done business in this area for a long time now.

Wendella
07-06-05, 03:35
Txmanny: Ah ok, Que Quang must be so small that I didn't see it on the map. Thanks.

2234: This 261 sounds interesting. Where is it? I've never heard of it, unless its one I've been to but just don't know by that name. I don't think so though. We actually went to Pine Tree last night and weren't allowed in on the first two levels for some reason. The third level was nothing great. One beer, left.

Whisper1
07-06-05, 13:15
261 is on Nguyen Van Troi with the same address, however it was closed down about 2 weeks ago. I'm not sure if the cops shut it down or they were just remodeling.

Wendella
07-07-05, 07:08
OK yes we were at Pine Tree again last night and asked, and they filled us in. I think it's been more than 2 weeks it's shut. I knew of the place already, but didn't know it by that name. We all just still called it by its old name, #1. (Nhac Tre #1) The Le Thanh Ton location was also shut down around the same time. I never did get into the one on Nguyen Van Troi when it was open. It seems as if Pine Tree has picked up the slack though, with 4 floors open now and very busy.

I found the Khanh Loc place too, though haven't ventured inside yet. Huyen Quang is the little alley street it's on. You could drive past it six times and never know it's there.

Hipoi
07-10-05, 20:21
Anyone know where we can get a good Massage in Saigon ? I tried some place.

Member #2234
07-12-05, 02:13
Anyone know where we can get a good Massage in Saigon ? I tried some place.Yes there are plenty m8. For a good one with lots and lots of beauties, go to FESTIVAL massage on CAO THANG street, district 3, just off Ng Thi Minh Khai.

261 and No1 are getting renovated, these 2 clubs and TX can NEVER get shut down, for one good reason. 50% of 261 is owned by the government (nha nuoc) ;) (there is a good reason for this, long story)

Member #2206
07-12-05, 06:25
Hello,

Don't worry about bread and bakeries, it has been the contribution of the French to the Vietnamese civilisation; There are many bakeries and one is just in front of the New World Hotel.

For the (nice and legal) young-looking girls you like, you can find them easily by 9-10 pm (with their pimp), in the street (service side of the New World Hotel) that crosses the public garden. But, usually, they do not want to spend the whole night, even if they say so; so beware, go to a hotel you know and never pay before.

Have a good stay,

Dirty Old ManI will stay in New world hotel , do you think I can find room service for "massage"?

Thanks

Mickey Race
07-12-05, 10:09
thanks for the pms

Case Study
07-12-05, 10:35
Yes there are plenty m8. For a good one with lots and lots of beauties, go to FESTIVAL massage on CAO THANG street, district 3, just off Ng Thi Minh Khai.

261 and No1 are getting renovated, these 2 clubs and TX can NEVER get shut down, for one good reason. 50% of 261 is owned by the government (nha nuoc) ;) (there is a good reason for this, long story)No.1 on Nguyen Van Troi is out of operations. It has been revonated but i havent seen anything from that place for 3 months now. I'm back in town and about :)

Saigon Sam
07-13-05, 13:21
Anyone know where we can get a good Massage in Saigon ? I tried some place.Also try Tokyo Hotel (Dong Kinh Hotel in Vietnamese) in district 5. They have a massage there open 24hr/day. Good service. 100,000vnd for the massage/sauna/steambath etc.

Most locals will tip the girl 100 to 150k for hand relief. If you like the girl ask for her number. Some will do house calls!

Member #2234
07-14-05, 02:54
I will stay in New world hotel , do you think I can find room service for "massage"?

ThanksIt's quite hard to get girls into the New World Hotel m8 (I know from experience lol). It's not impossible, just depends if the reception believes if the girl is LEGIT friend or not, but trust me it is very hard to get past.

Saigon Sam
07-15-05, 09:44
It's quite hard to get girls into the New World Hotel m8 (I know from experience lol). It's not impossible, just depends if the reception believes if the girl is LEGIT friend or not, but trust me it is very hard to get past.Try going up before 10pm. The guards generally let girls up but its best if you go early. Anything after 10 is impossible!

Asia Rocks
07-17-05, 11:55
Try going up before 10pm. The guards generally let girls up but its best if you go early. Anything after 10 is impossible!Caravelle is girl friendly until 11:00. I've always negotiated the deal and returned to my room. Ten minutes later the phone rings and it is the desk calling to inquire whether I am expecting Miss Thuy. I give the girl the bar fine, together with her fee after the deed is done. I've never had a problem in not paying the bar fine in the bar which runs the risk that they just pocket it and no Miss Thuy.

AR

Wendella
07-19-05, 06:31
For a good one with lots and lots of beauties, go to FESTIVAL massage on CAO THANG street, district 3, just off Ng Thi Minh Khai.

There are actually two places very near one another on Cao Thang with this same Festival name. One is Festival 27, which is a few doors south of the other Festival. Fesitval 27 is closer to the cinema. Which one do you mean? The one further north is much bigger, though even the smaller one is pretty large.

thanks

Wendella
07-22-05, 04:25
Went to THANH LOC last night. Not a good experience, sorry to say.

First, we met the woman Duyen (I'm fairly sure it was her and not Mai). She told us that one of those 2 girls (Phuong, Thuy) was busy with another customer (we arrived just after 8 and seemed to be the only customers at that point, tho I could be wrong) and that the other was in the countryside. OK, fair enough. So three girls were brought in to choose from. Then one more after we asked if there were only 3 available. My friend picked one from the first three. She came back in. My choice (the last one) left though. I presumed she'd be right back. My friend got to know his girl and I just waited and waited. 20 minutes. Asked where the girl was and the other girl said she went to the toilet. Um. Ok. FINALLY the girl came in and sat by me. We started to get to know each other. Maybe 5 minutes, not much more. A knock on the door: there was a phone call for her. I'm thinking now, why would a phone call take priority over spending time with the customer? Well, of course she was gone a long time again. It was now nearly 9pm, we arrived at about 8:10. I asked to switch to another girl, one from the first batch. No, she was taken already. A few minutes later, I decided this was hopeless, even if my original girl finally showed up the vibe would be terrible. Checkbill, please. A few minutes later I heard her high heels approaching down the hallway. No, sorry. Checkbill. Too late. Sorry. Checkbill. I'm sorry. No problem. Checkbill. Finally we got the bill, and I told Duyen why we were leaving. She motioned for me to tip the usher guy 30,000 (the guy who poked his head in the door and told the girl to go take her phone call), which I thought wasn't quite the response I was looking for.

In hindsight, it seems obvious that this almost certainly wasn't the girl's doing -- there must have been another customer she was simultaneously spending time with, and that couldn't happen without the management coordinating it. And the 'phone call' -- it was the staff that played that little charade. I doubt the usher was doing something the management didn't want him to do.

So while we didn't get ripped off on the beers or food, the experience was really a thorough disappointment. A ruined evening, really. By the time we got out it was too late to go to a similar Plan B.

I wonder if there's some way to prevent something like this from getting started. If this is how it is in these spots, then there's really no point going to them.

Erik
07-22-05, 19:12
Have you noticed the high percentge of posts reporting scams, bad experience, desappointment on this thread, compared to other threads in Asia ? Well, this is Vietnam. Here, cheating is the national sport, and sex business is never considered as a sex service, but more like an opportunity to rip off the customer. Unlike China, Cambodia, Thailand, etc, etc, etc. It is such a shame, with all the potential of beautiful, tender, cute and smiling girls in this country (and so good and hot in bed). If only they took seriously what they do, they really could develop and be rich. This is true in sex business as in all other industries in Vietnam. This country just wastes its potential !

LexLuther
07-22-05, 21:30
Erik is unfortunately too right. Lex spent two years in Vietnam, Republic of, was married to a Viet girl for over a quarter of a century, and has had long relationships with lots of Viets. If you read anything about the country, it's people, culture, history, you will read that venality is endemic. It is a shame because the people are industrious and intelligent. But ripping people off is never far from the consciousness of Vietnamese people.

LexLuther

RatuFreddie
07-23-05, 02:13
Surely everybody in the industry here is in it for the money, and scamming , not only foreigners but just as well compatriots, is to be expected in Vietnam. The only way to avoid this is to pursue other routes of (non commercialised) entertainment.
Chatrooms, Pen pal and firendship sites, there are literally thousands of vietnamese girls out there looking for everything from quick anonimous sex to long term paid girl friend relationships to marriage (arghhh).
Come in all shapes and sizes of course! Rich hunting grounds, but needs a little effort and sucess on any given night is not assured.

Member #2234
07-23-05, 02:27
There are actually two places very near one another on Cao Thang with this same Festival name. One is Festival 27, which is a few doors south of the other Festival. Fesitval 27 is closer to the cinema. Which one do you mean? The one further north is much bigger, though even the smaller one is pretty large.

ThanksThe large one close to Ng Thi Minh Khai end. It has a big karaoke

Sweetboy07
07-23-05, 18:30
Erik,

Thank you for your post. As I have to go to Vietnam for a business trip I thought to stay some days more there but as I red it is not interesting: so I will leave and stay some days in Bangkok which is on my way.

Best regards

Txmanny
07-23-05, 18:38
Wendella,

A good time to arrive at Thanh Loc would be around 6:30 pm. Duyen is usually very reliable when she tells you a particular girl is busy. This place has 4 levels worth of rooms so you may not notice other customers there. It's common for the few high quality girls to entertain multiple tables at one time. This is because they are in high demand and 8pm-10pm is usually peak time for these karaoke places. The way to avoid this is to tip your mammason well, arrive early, and tip the girl well. This will ensure that when you come back the next time you will get preference over other guests. I usually tip the mammason 100,000 dong, the waiter about 20,000-30,000 dong, and the girl about 200,000 dong. Treat your girl nice (ie don't be overly aggressive and degrading) and you will be ensured the girl of your choice and the majority of her time even if she is entertaining multiple tables simultaneously. A good thing to do is to get the mammason's cell phone number, this will allow you to call in advance to inquire about the availability of your girl. If you are well known to the establishment (ie been there at least 2-3 times and tip well each time) they will hold the girl for you until your arrival and even prohibit her from entertaining multiple guests according to your preference. It's quite frustrating when you are a new customer to this type of entertainment. I too was frustrated when I first started going because the well-known guests always would get preference over the newer guests. However, there is plenty of "fun" to be had if you are successful in negotiating through this initial period of frustration. The sisters I mentioned earlier may be worth a second trip though. Hope I have been somewhat helpful.

Wendella
07-24-05, 05:44
txmanny,
ok well in retrospect, we had a few missteps at thanh loc. first, i found out afterward that actually one of those 2 sisters doesn't work there anymore, and the other was not with another customer but was in the countryside. (i have a txt msg with the names of which is which, not with me now though) my vn cohort misunderstood me when i told him to ask for the mamasans duyen or mai --he thought those were girls working there, so they told him no they don't have girls by those names. he also said no to the fruit plate right away. and when the girl came in, he quickly became very aggressive with her. pulled down her top to look at her breasts within the first minute,for example. it was my first time going with him to such a place, so i didn't expect anything like that. i was kind of shocked. i'm very much not that way, always wait to see how the girl will behave first, let her make the first moves. but it was obvious to me that the girl wasn't digging his company, or what he was doing. that didn't seem to deter him, though. he didn't even seem to notice. so i'd say his bad behavior may have been a factor in this disaster. maybe the main factor. the more i think about that evening, the more i realize i was tor****ed by my knucklehead vn friend.

and actually i thought by going as early as 8pm, i'd be beating the rush. but i guess not. if you went later, would ....well, do they let the girls leave with customers? so by going later then, would there be fewer girls left available because some have gone out with customers? if so, then going early is the only option.

important note: you suggest tipping the mamasan and the other guy... but normally you would need to do that at the end when paying the bill. and if they screw you over before you get a chance to tip them... or you tip them really well after they've just screwed you over, well... you see the problem.

Wendella
07-24-05, 05:57
#2234,

They're both near Nguyen Thi Minh Khai -- they're literally a few doors from each other. They're both big, both have karaoke. One is bigger, the one that's a tiny bit further north (as you head toward Dien Bien Phu). If you're not familiar with both of them, or know the exact address, then I think its just as possible you could mean either one. I'm guessing you're not in Vietnam now, so can't go check it out.

Maybe if you can describe it better. What is the interior like? The layout? How does it look inside? They both have little courtyards just off the street for parking.

Thanks

El Frances
07-24-05, 17:35
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"I usually tip the mammasan 100,000 dong, the waiter about 20,000-30,000 dong, and the girl about 200,000 dong"

That sounds like a rip off to me! Spend 300 00 dong just for people to be nice with you!These Bia Oms are rip off places, no wonder you guys complain about scams if you go to such places.
I have spent many months of my life in Vietnam over 5 years and never had a rip off experience. Of course I go to bars, discos, regular KTVs and always check if I have a good feeling with the girl. I just come back from Thailand, it's so nice! But I can get better girls in Vietnam than in Thailand (OK, nothing to compare with Chongqing-Eyeblink for "connaisseurs"!).

And I always run away when I see a papasan or mamasan. Vietnam is a freelancer place and that make it so nice compared to other countries where sex is like an industry! Spending money for mamasan is stupid (sorry, I don't mean to be offending to anyone, I just say what I think)

El Frances
07-25-05, 10:25
Sorry I read the Thahn Loc report too fast and did not notice you were talking about a karaoke. So I guess 200 000 should be the fee for company in an upscale karaoke in HCMC. Nothing wrong about it. Sorry for the negative comments.

Wendella: that's the usual behaviour of vietnamese guys in karaoke to touch the girls like this.
Cheers

Txmanny
07-25-05, 17:08
It's well known that many of these karaoke places (aka bia-om) are notorious for ripping their customers off. However, like I said before, you must familiarize yourself with certain etiquettes in order to have a good time. This can be said for much of the other forms of “entertainment” found in Saigon. The general consensus among people that are familiar with the bia-om scenery is that it’s not always the monetary factor but it’s your own personal "aggressive" nature that will determine whether or not you will succeed while paying the least possible. Let me explain, girls that work at these establishments are usually recruited from the countryside. They're usually un-educated, naïve, and somewhat “innocent” when first start. However, they are required to learn the tricks of the trade quickly in order to work in this environment. So over time they become very clever and wise. Here are some simple rules I usually stick with to have a good time while paying the minimum:
1) Never, never, never be aggressive with the girl that you want to develop a physical relationship with (no girls like to be degraded on front of their friends and customers so refrain from certain acts that are considered inappropriate in normal, customary society).
2) Tipping is a crucial element here. It used to be that 50,000 dong for the mammason, 100,000 for the girl, and 10,000-20,000 dong for the waiter was considered good tip. However, over the years foreigners and viet-kieus have inflated the tipping scale. What I mentioned above is considered below average tip now. High-class karaoke places (i.e. ones with high quality girls) will frown upon foreigners and viet-kieus tipping at the below-average rate. El Frances is right that 330,000 dong is a bit on the pricey end; however, it’s the going rate now. Tipping well = better service. Realize that tipping the girl 200,000 is considered average now. I’ve seen these girls get tip anywhere from 200,000 dong to 750,000 dong from their repeat customers.
3) Many of these girls will leave and go out with you after working hours. Whether or not anything can come from this is totally girl and money-dependent. Certain girls will gladly offer their service if an acceptable price is met. Others will require a “courting” period. This “courting” period usually entails a couple of repeating visits to her work, tipping well each time, taking her out on a couple of “dates”, developing a friendship with her, and some sort of small but thoughtful gift. This may sound difficult but is easily accomplished within a week’s time in Saigon and not much $$$. If you are successful during this courting period, the girl is yours for the taking. This “relationship” will ensure a wonderful experience in bed that does not require any monetary compensation. This will save you lots of money in the long run because you can call her to meet up with you during the day or after her work hours without having to go back to the karaoke place and spend money, get a good laid without having to pay for it, and the best thing is that you always have a back up plan every night if your mongering quest falls through.
4) This experience is not for someone with limited time during a business trip. If time is not something you can spare, I would stick with the disco/bar scene. This allows for a quicker laid but it requires $$$.

Wendella
07-26-05, 04:26
OK maybe what my friend did was normal for VN guys, but honestly my jaw dropped when he did it, and the only other very noticeable thing was that my girl never reappeared. My feeling is that while maybe it's not unusual, of course nobody wants to be humiliated and that's basically what he did. My gut says that his bad behavior was a factor in my not getting any attention from my girl. I gave my VN guy hell about it later, and he's basically blind to his role in it, denying basically... and blaming it 100% on the place. Which means he and I never go to one together again.

Here's a question. What kind of play should you get in the bia om? I mean we're talking here all about our obligations -- buying fruit, tipping this one and that one and how much, what not to do, etc etc. But what are the girls supposed to do? What can you expect to get for your money when you're THERE? How far can things go in that room? What's standard? What constitutes an especially good outing? Or a bad one?

Any other karaoke oms or bia oms worth checking out, especially ones with better looking girls, would be interested to hear of them. I'm not sure, but my name may be mud in this particular joint now.

Also, what about that tipping question? If your experience is as miserable as mine was, it seems absurd to tip well. You said to tip the mamasan, but if she's going to give you a thoroughly crap experience before you even have the opportunity to tip her... I mean, I'm pretty sure this mamasan was aware of how ridiculously bad it is to be in a place 50 minutes and get just 5 minutes with your girl. If I'd tipped her well, it would've seemed pathetic. Do you tip her at the end, or before when you first meet her?

I Jags
07-26-05, 06:12
Does anyone in vietnam speak English? If so, can you tell how many and some ideas on meeting non-pros. Thanks.

El Frances
07-27-05, 10:11
Txmanny. I agree with you, but I am not sure it is cheaper to have a GF in vietnam, rather than paying girls from bars and discos.

One question: Why do you guys want to go into complex, time consuming, and rip-off risky approaches, such as in bia-om or karaoke-om, when it is so simple to go to Apocalypse, Sheraton, Sahara and other places, spend a nice time dancing and talking with a girl, and get a nice fuck for 50$ ? (and sometimes a GFE if you know how to choose the girls)


I Jags: many speak english, but very few speak well. Most girls in bars and discos are freelancers, some more pro than others. Forget about getting freebies in vietnam. You may get a GF, but my experience is that it is more expensive on the long run than the P4P market.
Hi !

Wendella
07-28-05, 03:59
Frances, the simple reason is that if you live here, those places all get old. You see the same girls every time, often don't see any you feel are worth going for -- usually there's no new girls there, just the same ones you saw the last few times you came. It gets boring. You need variety, you need the hope of finding something new. And the karaoke oms are also a different way to be interacting--a private room, no onlookers, a woman in a much more provacative/sexy dress than you're almost ever going to see in Apocalypse or Sahara. It's something different, basically, and more enticing in a lot of ways.

Someone below was asking why we try to make the best of the mediocre scene in Vietnam. Well, if you live here of course that's what you have to do. It's better in Thailand or Brazil or wherever, ok fine -- but I don't live there.

RatuFreddie
07-29-05, 01:22
For all more or less permanent residents of Ho CHi Minh there is also the option of finding girls through dating sites or chatrooms. There is a very active vietnamese scene out there, very varied including horny, maybe married, housewives ,and young girls that " want to make the experience of a white" dick , original quote, and professional hookers and girls looking for sugardaddy and girls looking for bf/husbands. Possible to find all of this and much more.
Vietnamese language skills, at least basic, are helpful, though not in every case absolutely necessary. Pricing from free to astronomical.
I personally met many great (some not so fantastic too) girls through these channels, some freebies, some for cash. (my personal limit is USD 50, but usually 500.000 VND). Have to add hotel costs (appr 20$) if you dont have a pad available. More details are available to regular posters.
In my opinion only workable and worth the effort if you are here 1 week plus.

Gonad Man
07-30-05, 05:09
During a recent stopover in HCM, I was intent on locating some cheap affordable fun, if anything just to relieve the boredom of a long haul. By some freak of luck I was able to locate the zoo, though I wouldn't have any idea how to get back there. I was staying on the other side of town and just headed where my dick directed.

I got there and was offered service from a girl on the side. I decided that I wanted a hotter girl and stood on the side of the street opposite the Mitsubishi dealership and watched the scene. At first, I thought that nothing was going to happen. I realized that I needed to actually signal to the girls who were flying by. I saw a few cuties, but they were gone before I could signal. Walking down a bit further, I saw some girls on bicycles. One was really cute although when I approached she said something and pointed to her friend behind her (not that cute). I insisted, but she kept pointing behind. I walked away. What is the story with these bicycle girls?

Eventually I signalled a girl on a scooter and we headed off to a hotel of her choice (15 minutes ride). Once there I made the BIG mistake of paying straight up.. I don't know why. 400 for the girl, 100 for the room. In the room, the girl turned into a little *****. She wouldn't suck my dick, kicked up a fuss when I got my camera out and started tugging at my cock like she was starting a lawnmower. Naturally this wasn't a real big turnon for me. I made it a quick release fuck and went on my way.

Being my first time in HCM I guess I was not in my element, plus it's a real hectic city. I guess next time I might be a bit more prepared, but it just seems like pot luck with the scooter girls. I wonder if there is a better way to handle things...

Gonad

Peter43
08-01-05, 11:51
I have been a regular traveller to HCM for the past 3 years, i go on average every 3 mths. Some of the guys that post on here live in HCM but always complain about finding girls. Why dont you find a few girls and just visit them different nights, you wont have to pay and wont have to worry about health risks. There are so many beautiful women in HCM, its not difficult.

Asian Rain
08-04-05, 04:17
Eventually I signalled a girl on a scooter and we headed off to a hotel of her choice (15 minutes ride). Once there I made the BIG mistake of paying straight up.. I don't know why. 400 for the girl, 100 for the room. In the room, the girl turned into a little *****. She wouldn't suck my dick, kicked up a fuss when I got my camera out and started tugging at my cock like she was starting a lawnmower. Naturally this wasn't a real big turnon for me. I made it a quick release fuck and went on my way.

Gonad
Gonad/HCMC Mongers,

Probably should consider this a lucky outcome. The Zoo girls all use the hotels in the back alleys of Thi Minh Khai. If a girl is driving you 15min away, it should be a definite warning that something is wrong. They may try to take you to a hotel that they can run a team scam. It works like this: The girl rushes you into the room (hoping you don't notice that she didn't lock the door) and immediately want to shower together with you. She will be sure to close the door and start giving you a good wash. While you are in shower heaven, somebody will come into the room and rifle your pants. Then she will turn to ice once the shower is finished. You won't be able to prove that the girl did anything wrong and you will be screwed.

This is the rule for ANY HCMC girl: keep ANY valuables in your sight at ALL times. AR+

Silly Puppy
08-15-05, 00:10
I've just come back from VN and have learned a few things from this long trip.
1) 5 star hotels do not allow guests after 11PM, but guess what? I still saw caucasian guys brought them in after 1AM. Some security guys and hotel hotests tried to stop the prostitutes from getting up but couldn't. I think if you mumble in English they will let you go. I saw couple beautiful girls with some ugly, big belly caucasians. Hummm, these girls are for me but being a Vietnamese it is difficult to bring them to the room. :(

2) Warning of new scam for Viet expat: I was in Nha Trang and went to a barber place to fuck a young chick. Cost me 350,000 for a lousy massage and 45 minutes of hard fucking. After leaving the place I hopped onto a Cyclo to go to a restaurant. I chatted with this guy and felt pity on him for being such a laborer so I told him to wait for me after dinner. This guy found out I was with my family and just got out of the *****house. So .... when I got out of the restaurant and happlily riding the cyclo back to my hotel there was a guy on a motobike came along and together with the cyclo guy they both tried to extort money from me. They were making a big scene not too far away from my hotel threatening me if I didn't give them $100 they'd come to my hotel and let me whole family know I fucked a *****. Feeling trapped and extremely angry, I didn't know what to do and was playing with time to find a way out. I jumped on another cyclo but these guys were following me around. Paid the cyclo driver I jumped to a taxi and asked him to take me to another hotel. I called my wife made some excuses for being late and didn't come back to the hotel until 1AM. I took the whole family out of Nhatrang the next day saying it was a bored town (and it really was).
3) I tried all massage places in hotels I'd stayed from Saigon to Hanoi. ALL girls gave hand job and were afraid of getting caught of fucking customers. I was able to ask a girl out and fucked her in another hotel. She was hot and never had someone licked her pussy before. :) I got her all worked up after putting dirty thoughts in her mind(she was married to a fool-around-type-of guy). And the reward was beautiful! She did not want to take my money but I insisted and gave her $30 after 2 hours of fun.
4) Went back to Danang and met the girl I fucked last year. I just wanted to see how she was doing. She was so glad to see me and proud too because soemone still missed her. Gave her couple hard fucks two days in a row I finally came after 3 trials with her. I gave her 600,000 VN dong total. She is a very poor girl with dignity. Lost her virginity in 18 to her lover, the guy then dissappeared. She didn't work as a prostitute until 25 after losing all money in a bad business. Her dream is simple; having a well in her house in Hatinh city.

Wendella
08-24-05, 08:32
TXMANNY,
I noticed in your post about 4 Trong 1 that you said you like to go during the week when it's not as packed because it leads to 'bad feelings'. I experienced something like that last time there, when it filled up on a weekday recently. The girl I know and like was at my table and was ordered to go to another. She snuck back but it seemed as if the tie guys would order her back to other tables as soon as she was spotted with me. At one point she was assigned to one table and apparently wasn't supposed to leave it. (they only had beers and a fruit plate by the way -- no Henessy!) I wasn't sure how it was that a guy can set it up so that the girl must stay at his table, because if I knew how to do that, I'd have done it. The tie guys? Do they order it? Or is there a tip given to the girl right away to make her stay? How does that work? But I couldnt' get to talk to her for most of the night after that. She'd come over briefly time to time but had to keep going back to stay there at that one table. Once I saw the guy she was with seeming to be chewing her out for coming to visit my table, he even pointed right at me as he was talking to her (she'd just been at my table). And after that she stayed near him.

But it seems as if any customer can request a girl even if she's already with another customer, and that customer can't do a thing about it. Unless there's something I'm missing, which there must be.

Txmanny
08-28-05, 00:32
Hello,

In Saigon, girls who work at these "entertainment" establishments such as bia-oms, bars, clubs, etc. are working girls. You may occasionally find a non-working girl but this is rare; meaning she will not entertain your proposition unless you two have a relationship of some sort. At 4 trong 1, if you want the girl to spend the majority of her time at your table you must TIP. Here are a few things to know. Apparently 4 trong 1 is divided into sections, within each section you have one manager (1 of the tie guys) managing multiple girls assigned to that section. If you are at a section that your girl is not assigned to, she will not be able to spend but a few minutes at your table the entire night. What you must do is get there real early, find the girl you like, and ask her what section she is assigned to for the night. It will be different each night because they rotate. Once she tells you the section she is assigned to go and sit there. Ask her who is managing her section and ask her to introduce you to him. Greet him by asking him to toast with you, shake his hand, and tip him 50,000 to 100,000 dong. Tell him you like this bar because of this girl and would like her to accompany you tonight. Doing these things will ensure her company with you most of the night. However, be a little thoughtful and remember that these girls make most of their money via tip. So be a little understanding and let your girl "roam" to different tables through out the night so she can make her money. You not being pissy when she leaves every now and then and being understanding toward this will give of the "good-guy" vibe. They love a thoughtful guy and this will make your ultimate goal a bit easier to achieve. Regarding if these girls will prostitute - most will, a few won't, and some requires a little effort. You must have encountered the effort one :-) I met me one of those too. Just remember that these girls work at these places because they need money. Just catch any of them during their desperate times and you will get what you want when the price is right. However, if they are not in desperate times, the effort factor comes in. Anyhow, back to the subject at hand. The girl I liked there at 4 trong 1 did not go out with me after work regardless of my persistency. She informed me that she could meet up with me the next day before work (they usually get to work between 6-8pm) after I have been at 4 trong 1 a couple of times asking for her company each time. However, she found some lame excuse the last minute to cancel the first time we made plan. She rescheduled for the next day. I think this is some sorta ritual during the courting process to show that the girl is not "easy" in Vietnam. Anyhow, after going out several times I was successful with my conquest. The nice guy card does really work in Saigon. Most foreigners and viet-kieus have 2 things working for them: money and the chance for these girls to escape their current hardship (which most of the time is poverty) via marriage. These two qualities over the domestic male will give you the advantage you need to approach most young ladies in Saigon. Here in the U.S. it's usually the superficial trait that will give you the advantage to approach most young ladies. Anyhow, all you must prove on your date in Saigon if your girl is the "girlfriend" type is that you are honest. Most males in Saigon date multiple girls at the same time so there is lack of faith in the male sex by their counterpart. If you are able to give of the vibe that you are a nice and honest guy, you will be successful in your conquest. It's not that hard, just be courteous, humble, and thoughtful on your date. After 2-3 dates you will get what you want. Of course, this is just my opinion and it works for me. Many guys just prefer the old fashion way, throw money at the girl until it works. To each his own happy hunting.

TXM

Michelangelo
08-28-05, 17:52
Will be going to Saigin first time in a couple of weeks. Where is 4 Trong 1 to be found? Sorry for asking if address has been posted before, but cannot find it. Thanks in advance.

While I am asking, is there any interesting place close to Windsor Plaza to be visited?

Thanks for all advice.

Wendella
08-30-05, 05:13
Just a warning to some, this place isn't always as easy to succeed in as you'd think by reading these posts. It's also common (I'm told and have experienced myself) to be played by a girl there -- she'll be very friendly and very eager to try to make a date with you, but the next day you'll discover that was a totally false impression because she'll cancel the date at the last minute... or else just not show up. And then maybe reschedule only to do the same thing again the next time. This happened to me and one of my friends there, more than once. It's possible to do better than this, I'm sure, but it's something to be aware of. There's nothing automatic there. Unless you get propositioned to go home right after the club closes and actually meet the girl outside, which could happen. I think that would be much more likely to actually come about if she is the one who proposes it. If you ask for that, she'll probably say yes (to encourage a good tip) and then it's questionable whether it actually will happen. Yes, so for ourselves, getting straight answers from these girls has been tough. My impression is that they'll always answer by saying whatever they think you want to hear.

LexLuther
08-30-05, 15:53
Wendella,

You hit on a point about Vietnamese culture that Americans like myself (who were here two generations ago with U.S. military) found very difficult to understand. It's still a conumdrum to many of us. There may be a variety of reasons why Vietnamese do this. Perhaps they think it rude to say something which they think you don't want to hear. Or it may be a general attitude of subservience toward Westerners which causes them to fear disappointing us. It may be an Asian attitude which discourages saying anything negative.

Then again, perhaps they did intend to keep the appointment but at the last minute realized that doing so would subject themselves to censure from their fellow Vietnamese. It's hard to say. But it's important to realize that these people find it hard to be as direct and straightforward as Americans. It's a curious anomaly of their culture but an important one for us to be aware of.

Lex

Txmanny
08-30-05, 22:10
Culturally speaking, Vietnam is still a conservative country where most of the "old-fashion" females are not allowed to express their affection publicly. Though this is a dying way due to the influence of the "MTV" generation, it's still not common for a vietnamese girl to express her interest in a male the way it's done so overtly in the states. Also realize that most girls that we speak of in this forum are girls that are in the business of entertaining guys. They should not be used as examples to generalize the cultural ways of the majority of other women in the country. So to say that vietnamese women are subservient toward westerners is an incorrect and grossly bias statement. Girls that work in the business of entertaining guys are exposed on a daily basis to all sort of characters. So they learn how to play the "game" quickly and are often more clever than their male clients. Therefore, they tend to be as shaddy as most guys that they encounter in their work environment. You shouldn't treat these girls that work in bars, clubs, and bia-oms any differently than a stripper in the states. Like it or not, those that entertain guys for a living are mostly of the same breed no matter what country you visit. If you are ingrained in Vietnamese culture, you will find that people, particularly in Saigon, are not subservient but quite the opposite.

Enjoying Asia
08-31-05, 06:56
Cheap P4P in Ho Chi Minh

I wanted to share my system for getting women in HCMC at a low overall cost. As many have already mentioned, the cost for women here has escalated steadily over the past 5 years to prices that are now definitely unreasonable. Especially at places like Apocolypse, Hai Ba Trung bars, and Karaoke clubs. At most of these places, you’ll end up paying at least 50 US for the girl, plus lady drinks, relatively expensive pool/billilards, and short time hotel. So it can all add up to 100 US for a few hours of fun.

So this post is for mongers on a slightly tighter budget. I now stay at Saigon Sky Hotel at 245 Hai Ba Trung. It is about 5 minutes by taxi from the Caravelle Hotel and heart of district 1. The hotel is clean, has friendly and accommodating staff, and you get a huge, quiet suite for 30 US/night. Regular rooms are 20-25 US/night. If you fancy posting or keeping up on WSG activities during your trip, the hotel staff will happily run an ADSL cable up to your room for an additional 2 US/day. Room service, laundry, etc., is also good and cheap. Most importantly, they are totally girl-friendly. An added bonus for fitness freaks is the barbell club just down the road (~135 Hai Ba Trung), where you can lift weights with some locals for 10,000/day (7 US).

Once you are settled in the hotel, go to the area mentioned many times by Asian Rain. I think the street where I actually prowl is at the end of Le Duan, close to the entrance to the zoo. This is actually a second entrance to the Zoo. So I now realize I've been working just around the corner from AR. This side is slightly less busy in terms of traffic than the main entrance. Sometimes woman stand near or sit on their motorbikes at the entrance just waiting for someone to walk by. Generally speaking the young women will be on their motorbikes, circling like crazy, slowing down so you can have a look, and (here’s the key point) waiting for you to initiate something. Once you see one you like, a simple hand gesture will be enough and they’ll pull up along the sidewalk. Then you negotiate a price and hop on their motorbike and back to Saigon Sky, just 5 minutes away.

I followed this procedure and there were about 10 girls circling when I strolled the area around 9pm. Most were in the 20-28 range and quite attractive. On this occasion there was one stunner that looked younger than the rest. I broke my usual rule of never taking woman that are too attractive, since the service is usually worse, but I couldn’t resist. Her name was Hong and she is 18 and absolutely gorgeous. She speaks zero English, so a phrase book or some other way to express numbers is helpful. We negotiated 200,000 Dong (15 US) for short time. She didn’t understand that I wanted to take her to my hotel, so we headed to a short time hotel she knew and it was already full. We then motored to a second one she knew and the guy at the reception quoted 400,000 Dong (30 US) for short time. After some negotiation, he moved down to 350,000, but I still thought it was a bit steep, especially since I already had a perfectly good hotel close by. He spoke English, so I had him translate to Hong that I wanted to go to my hotel. Once she understood, she agreed.

We arrived at my hotel and she formally checked in and the reception took her ID for security reasons. Once in the room, we had some chit chat (phrase book) and she started warming up a little, but she was very shy. Everything about this girl physically was just perfect. Slender but not too skinny, perfect skin, hair, tits, ass – everything! I have never seen such a beautiful pussy in my life. Unfortunately, shagging this girl felt like screwing a warm corpse. She hardly moved an inch and took some encouragement to move around into different positions. Even when I put her on top of me, she hardly knew what to do. Anyway, with that warm, tight pussy grinding around we finished our business and I sent her on her way. Before she could reclaim her ID at the reception, they called my room to check whether everything was ok so they could return her ID and she was free to go.

I have read a lot about SW’s and I think there are 2 main points to consider/defend: SW’s are not as “clean” as bar girls – use a condom to protect yourself; SW’s could steal, etc, and you have no recourse – reception will keep her ID so you have a layer of protection in case something goes awry.

Happy Hunting!

Enjoying Asia

Asia Rocks
08-31-05, 15:57
Enjoying Asia,

Hey, great report, especially for first post. I would just like to piggy back on this to reiterate that, IMHO, these mini hotels are traps to either steal from you or scam you. The first time I was trapped, I had about $40.00 taken from my wallet which I did not discover until too late. The second time I had about $100.00 extracted which I discovered because of the prior experience and which the Ho casually returned to me in exchange for my promise not to throw her motobike down the stairs. But God knows what would have happened if I did. I never really figured out how they do this, maybe somebody under the bed or otherwise secreted in the room, but I have never gone to another mini hotel again and I would enourage all VN mongerers to be extremely wary of what sounds like a simple and innocent suggestion, "We go mini hotel".

Just my opinion,

AR

Flyhere
08-31-05, 18:08
A word about money if I may.

Exchange rate: 1 US dollar = 15,800 VN Dong, making 10,000 VND about 70 US cents, and 100,000 VND about 7 US dollars.

Let's ignore the average, an average anything is pretty meaningless here.

In the US, say for a guy making $US60,000 a year, that's $5000 amonth or $4000 or so after tax. An AMP will cost $50+$100 to the girl, a SW (I'm guessing) will cost $50 all to the girl.

If you want cheap, you run down to a border town like Tijuana, and spend $US60 to the girl + $11 for the room.

Now in VN, the same guy may make the equivalent of US$300 a month, let's round it to $400 a month. That's 10% of the same guy in the US. You could argue that the cost of living is not 10% of the US, but twice as expensive. That makes a SW about US$10 and an in-call place US$20.

Reportedly those are what the locals pay, VND200K-VND300K, of course the "rich" Vietkieu or foreigners can be squeezed for twice as much.

I know things always seem cheap when you travel to the 3rd world, and people start blowing their money. Just remember US$100 is a lot, a lot, of money in VN.

Sixty
08-31-05, 19:00
Hi fellow mongers,

In Octobre I will travel to Saigon and considering of carrying a laptop with me.

Did anyone of you have experienced any problems at the airport, especially when you want to leave the country?

Or do you have to declare your laptop when entering the country?

I'm grateful for any advice.

Rgds,

Sixty

PoopieMunster
08-31-05, 22:06
Well I am in Vietnam now, and like in the past I have carried 2 laptops back while only declaring one. On my last trip I left both of them behind, and was hassled about it, but the 10USD slip was all it took to make things smooth over, although I honestly didn't mean to forget the second laptop, I was just to much in a rush being as I was finishing a ST about 45 mins before my flight was to take off.

Anyone in HCM want to have a beer or a wingman that is a VietKieu and speaks more then enough vietnamese to get by give me a call on my mobile 090 710 7956 and I have more then enuf contacts for the girls if you want them along with hotels in certain areas.

Txmanny
09-01-05, 01:05
Sixty,

You shouldn't have any problem if you tell immigration that it's for personal or business purposes. You only run into problems if the laptop is meant for a gift. Anyhow, worse case scenario is to give immigration $10 and you are off on your way.

Wendella
09-01-05, 05:08
Enjoying Asia,

I just wanted to clarify something you mentioned about this area by the zoo. If you go to the end of Le Duan, is this spot you go to that street running perpendicular to Le Duan, that Le Duan runs into? That would be Nguyen Binh Kiem street. If so, when you reach that corner, do you turn left, right or just go straight ahead? I have to say, I've been in that area a few times and have never seen anything happening there. Unless I'm missing it somehow.

Also, when were you there? How recently? Was it in the last 2 months or so? Things change, and maybe it's been shut down by now. Or maybe not, maybe I just haven't been there at the right time.

I noticed that Asian Rain was originally talking about a spot that was around the corner from Le Duan, not perpendicular to it but parallel, and where the road crosses over a bridge. This street is the end of Nguyen Thi Minh Khai, actually named Xo Viet Nghe Tinh at this spot. And on that street, near the bridge, there's another entrance to the zoo, which isn't the main entrance, I think. Not sure.

Enjoying Asia
09-01-05, 16:13
I've been going there about 3 times a year for the past few years and was there in mid-July the last time. I would be a bit surprised if it has been shut down because it is not that obvious and quite informal. I was there around 9pm and I actually stood on Le Duan on the same side of the street as the Sofitel, maybe 50 meters before it dead ends into the zoo. The girls seem to do a circuit around this zoo area. I admit that it is not obvious because you may be one of the only people strolling around there at that time of night. But the girls will ride by on their motorbikes, u-turn, head back towards the zoo, cruise by Asian Rain, and then circle all the way back and repeat.

What time were you prowling?

Enjoying Asia

Fun Sex
09-03-05, 09:01
I have read couple of posts about massage palor in the past. However, do you guys have any new intel about message palor in HCM city recently? I will be there within a month. I need the FS kinda place. Most importantly, I am trying to stay away from LE.

Thanks,

FS

Asia Rocks
09-03-05, 16:52
I have read couple of posts about massage palor in the past. However, do you guys have any new intel about message palor in HCM city recently? I will be there within a month. I need the FS kinda place. Most importantly, I am trying to stay away from LE.

Thanks,

FSFS,

I do not claim to be an expert on MP in HCMC, but I think FS may be a stretch. I have been there several times in the last year or so and have done hotel fitness centers and one MP, big one, not far from Caravelle and Sheraton. In the hotel, HJ is no problem with maybe a little mock BJ thrown in and basically the same in the MP I visited. The MP rooms all have a clear glass window which limits the possibilities. Others may have had better experiences and I'd be glad to learn, as you, from them.
Bars on Hai Ba Trung are not bad value and, if you find the right GFE girl, you can get the deed done for $50.00 plus a small bar fine as long as you get back to the hotel before 11:00. This is a good option if you are trying to stay away from LE. Strike the deal, return to your room and ten minutes later the front desk will call to inquire whether you are expecting Ms.Thuy which, of course, you are.

Hope this helps and would glad if it stimulates other entries.

Enjoy, AR

Fun Sex
09-05-05, 08:24
AR,

I just asked a Vietnamese friend who goes back to VN every single year for the past 5 years. He stays there at least 2 months at a time. He gave me some tips very very similar to yours.

This year, I am kinda lucky. I am going back there the same time as he does. He will go with me the first couple times and will show me around the town. I grew up in HCM city, but I left the country for a long time. So, everything is different now.

Anyhow, I will let you guys know when I get back from VN in December.

Thanks again AR.

FS

Saigon Sam
09-05-05, 14:22
Hey FS,

I agree with AR. Things are different now and FS in MP's are hard to find. The last time I found FS in HCMC was in '96. These places that use to have FS are no longer in operation or they do not offer FS anymore. The nearest place you will find FS in MP's is in Vung Tau. If you visist Danang, many MP's will offer FS too. Don't wast your time in HCMC for this type of thing. Anyway, have a good time in Vietnam.

Btw, if you do happen to find a FS place in HCMC, don't post the name of the place. The local LE has access to this site too!


I have read couple of posts about massage palor in the past. However, do you guys have any new intel about message palor in HCM city recently? I will be there within a month. I need the FS kinda place. Most importantly, I am trying to stay away from LE.

Thanks,

FS

Asia Rocks
09-05-05, 15:16
Thanks FS,

I might be back in HCM in December so PM me when you will be there. Could be fun to co-monger.

One thing I forgot to mention is, that before I figured out the 11:00 girl in the room drill, on two occasions I insisted on use of a back room and was accomodated on both occasions for FS. Not exactly your 5 Star hotel, nice shower, comfy bed experience, but a learning experience and maybe convenient if you do not have hotel in the area. I have, after two not-so-good experiences, avoided mini-hotels, maybe easier for you, but see earlier post.

Cheers, AR


AR,


I just asked a Vietnamese friend who goes back to VN every single year for the past 5 years. He stays there at least 2 months at a time. He gave me some tips very very similar to yours.

This year, I am kinda lucky. I am going back there the same time as he does. He will go with me the first couple times and will show me around the town. I grew up in HCM city, but I left the country for a long time. So, everything is different now.

Anyhow, I will let you guys know when I get back from VN in December.

Thanks again AR.

FS

Wendella
09-06-05, 07:24
I actually drove by that zoo entrance a few times around 9pm in recent days. Nothing. The police do clamp down on these kinds of spots. Sometimes they bounce back after a dormant period and sometimes not. I believe you saw what you saw, definitely, but I have a feeling it's been shut down. There used to be a spot out near the airport like that, at the end of Le Van Sy street, that was very active for a long time. It doesn't exist anymore. Nguyen Thai Hoc at the end of Pham Ngu Lao street was another active spot that is finished now.

Fun Sex
09-06-05, 09:06
AR,

My schedule has been changing a lot lately. Well, I will be in HCM city October 5 to around November 15-20. PM me if you are in the area a that time.

FS

Dave #2
09-08-05, 16:54
I will be in Saigon late Oct through early Nov and will be staying at a small local hotel near the New World.

Where is the best "bang for my bucks" in Saiogon during the daytime? I am only free during the daytime due to business obligations in the evening times.

Last time I was in Saigon, I pretty much stuck to massage parlors and coulnd't get anything more than a HJ. The massage was very nice and the overall cost was pretty low, but I want something more than a HJ on this trip. :)

Thanks for any advice - Dave.

Elvis1969
09-19-05, 06:38
poopiemunster,

thanks for the tips. i'm viet kieu too and i'll be working in saigon come mid october. it would be great to have a wingman and someone to grab a few beers with. i'll definitely give you a ring when i get in.

wendella and txmanny,

if you guys want to hang out and show me around, that would be fantastic. don't worry wendella, i'm pretty laid back amd courteous and won't be like your friend who rook the top off of the girl in one of the bars.

and txmanny, i'm from texas too so we may have some things to chat about.


well i am in vietnam now, and like in the past i have carried 2 laptops back while only declaring one. on my last trip i left both of them behind, and was hassled about it, but the 10usd slip was all it took to make things smooth over, although i honestly didn't mean to forget the second laptop, i was just to much in a rush being as i was finishing a st about 45 mins before my flight was to take off.

anyone in hcm want to have a beer or a wingman that is a vietkieu and speaks more then enough vietnamese to get by give me a call on my mobile 090 710 7956 and i have more then enuf contacts for the girls if you want them along with hotels in certain areas.

Canyon
09-20-05, 01:36
i've been going to saigon since 1996 and these are the ways i've tried to find girls:

1. introduction by a cyclo driver: my experience here is hit and miss. if you can find a reliable one, you can get some real finds. upside is that it is usually safe if you know the cyclo driver. downside is that the cyclo driver takes a commission. i've also had mediocre service from girls introduced by drivers i considered reliable. i've also gotten some bum steers from cyclo drivers i've just met. on the other hand, i've had some wonderful experiences through cyclo driver introductions.

2. hai ba trung and other bars: i haven't had good experience here. prices are a little high and girls were not that attractive and service was uninspired. to me, girls here seem somewwhat jaded, while i prefer the cute, amateur types that have that fresh look.

3. on the street: interestingly enough, these have been my best finds. you have to look around, but there are some real attractive ones. sometimes, you can tell by their attitude if they will be good in bed. (there are exceptions, however.) in these situations, i take them to a mini-hotel of my choice. i'm always careful to lock the door and take the girl into the shower with me. i haven't had trouble with theft. i can usually sense a rip-off. i never take a girl to a hotel when i've been drinking. i have found the pham ngu lao area to be a good hunting ground. i haven't tried the zoo, but will do so in november. you can find all types on the street: jaded ones and young, fresh, enthusiastic ones. the trick is to find one who is experienced enough to be good in bed, but not experienced enough to be jaded.

4. massage parlors: i haven't found this to be a good solution. prices are high for limited service such as hj.

5. upscale bars such as new world, caravelle, sheraton, etc.: haven't had much success here. quality and availability are not that high and prices are high and service somewhat low.

i'm sure others have had different experiences. i'd love to hear from you. feel free to pm me with your experience.

quote=elvis1969]poopiemunster,

thanks for the tips. i'm viet kieu too and i'll be working in saigon come mid october. it would be great to have a wingman and someone to grab a few beers with. i'll definitely give you a ring when i get in.

wendella and txmanny,

if you guys want to hang out and show me around, that would be fantastic. don't worry wendella, i'm pretty laid back amd courteous and won't be like your friend who rook the top off of the girl in one of the bars.

and txmanny, i'm from texas too so we may have some things to chat about.[/quote]

Dugalococamo
09-20-05, 19:27
I'm pissed off! I got my cell phone and all the money taken out of my wallet. Fortunately it was only about $100 and the phone was also worth only about $80. I figured exactly what happened though. But now it's too late to get anything back.

I noticed there was a girl somewhat following me and my girl as we approached our room. Anyway my girl brought me into the room. She coaxed me to leave my clothes in the bedroom but me being smarter (so I thought) - I took them with me into the shower. because I didn't want to leave my valuables alone. Once done showering I brought the clothes back out with me. We did short time. After that she grabbed my arm leading me into the shower, leaving my clothes in the room (a mistake). Thinking it was ok because we were together and I could watch her. Once in the shower she closed the door. Anyway she delays me by giving a bj while leaving the shower water running. We finish... anyway I get into the room and my pants are missing!! Lo and behold they are sitting outside on the step with my cellphone and cash gone. The girl denied everything but how could I prove it.

They were working as a team my girl distracted me while her friend snuck in the room and robbed me. I tested the door, it was very silent. Perhaps the mini-hotel is somewhat in on this too..

Be careful. Never leave your valuables out of your sight even for a couple of minutes.

Dugalococamo
09-21-05, 18:41
dave #2,

i've been here almost 4 years now so i know my way around the area.

if you want something more than a hj the massage parlors won't offer more on the premisis - you'll notice that the door has windows on it. but you may be able to go on a date with one. if she likes you.

you will have pretty good success in the haircut places especially in the suburbs. look for a haircut place where they are dressed a bit sexy and surely they will offer you some services there. probably more than half of the haircut shops in the outskirts will offer and at least half of them you will get a bj. i've turned the bj to "woo hoo" right on the spot in some haircut places. you need to get the girl horny by being romantic and playing with her. i've had some haircut girls call me and they asked me to go to the hotel with them. you've got to give them a fun time and and they will respond.

i know some cafe om's in the suburbs where they will give you a all out fully naked bj for 50 - 70 thousand dong. look for a small cafe with a couple sexy girls in front and the cafe has no tv or music, very few chairs and tables and sells limited beverages usually only sell "sua dau nanh" and "xaxi" (soy milk and vietnamese style root beer - which is terrible by the way!) probably at half of these places in the outskirts they will beg you to go to the hotel with them. some of them even offer it right on the spot.

in vietnam it's ridiculous, it's quite funny actually, they have so many different "om" places. they are everywhere. bia om, karaoke om, hot toc om, cafe om, massage om, goi dau om, i've even seen a "banh mi opla om" haha quite a way to top of your breakfast! depending on the establishment and how you play it, any of these places can bring you the big score.

the om concept is a part of the vietnamese culture. it's not really the foreigners that are fueling this industry but the vietnamese themselves. when i go to these places i have never seen another foreigner there. only vietnamese.

one thing: please be discreet. people know what you are doing... the police regularly shut down these places and confirep001e their goods. they won't bother the foreigners but they will bother the cafe owners by shutting them down. use it by all means but don't abuse it if you know what i mean.

about getting your bang for the buck. the closer to the city the more expensive. i've had normal looking girls for as low as 50 thousand and stunning looking ones for 100 - 300 thousand in the suburbs and outskirts. also they are more sweet and eager to please than you'll find in the city. it helps if you can speak vietnamese - then you can usually get the "vietnamese" price.

happy hunting ;)

D Jamm
09-22-05, 17:30
This came as a suprise to me, as I did not check the vietnam forums before my trip , which I just came back from. This is because I went with my wife. We were staying at the Continental Hotel, and decided to have a massage one afternoon. The massage girl turned out to be totally hot, and during the massage she massaged the area around my genitals quite a lot, so naturally I was turned on. Then she asked if I wanted a massage 'there', and I just nodded. Anyway, I got a great hj, and I was allowed to fondle her cute body, for a 9 dollar massage, and I tipped her 50,000 dong which she said was little. anyway, the funny thing was my wife was getting a massage in the next room at the same time!

I figure if I ever go again, I'll offer some money for the real thing. I'm sure you guys who visit HCM often know about this , but I was shocked to receive such treatment, and at such a cheap price too.

Asian Rain
09-23-05, 08:04
They were working as a team my girl distracted me while her friend snuck in the room and robbed me. I tested the door, it was very silent. Perhaps the mini-hotel is somewhat in on this too..

Be careful. Never leave your valuables out of your sight even for a couple of minutes.
Sorry to hear about the snake bite! As I previously reported on this scam, please be careful and keep your valuables in sight at all times. You can be sure that the hotel is in on the scam... the second girl would never get in without their help. Indeed, the hotel staff is probably helping to coordinate the scam by providing a room across from yours for the other girl to hide once she has taken your money.

When at the mini hotel, I always personally lock and bolt the door. Never carry more than is necessary to do business. Leave rings/watches/etc. at your hotel. Keep your valuables IN SIGHT at all time. I NEVER PAY in advance... the girls often ask for money up front, I just say "boom boom first, money second." Don't be shy about seeming distrustful... the girls don't trust us mongers either! Even my Vietnamse mamasan in Cambodia warned me about people in HCMC... good advice! Stay secure, AR+

Asian Rain
09-23-05, 08:19
I noticed that Asian Rain was originally talking about a spot that was around the corner from Le Duan, not perpendicular to it but parallel, and where the road crosses over a bridge. This street is the end of Nguyen Thi Minh Khai, actually named Xo Viet Nghe Tinh at this spot. And on that street, near the bridge, there's another entrance to the zoo, which isn't the main entrance, I think. Not sure.
I have yet to spot any moto girls circling at the main entrance at the end of Le Duan. With the entrance to the History Museum nearby, I would suspect that LE would keep this area clear. Perhaps exceptions occur.

As the night park has opened for kids near the zoo entrance opposite the Mitsubishi dealership on NTMK, the moto girls seemed to have stopped crossing the bridge. I now walk over the bridge and sit on the railing. The best pattern I can discern is that girls start up the street and make the turn around about halfway up the bridge.

Last couple of pickups have been good value... the last one brought me to an aircon hotel that only charged VND50,000 for an hour (woo-hoo!). The last pickup (or do they pick me up?) was great fun because it was her first time to see a video camera. What a star. Have fun, AR+

Dugalococamo
09-23-05, 16:51
I went to a haircut place. And just got a regular shave. No massage or anything. Anyway it was getting a little late and I was telling the girl that I was traveling and didn't know the area well and needed to find a hotel. She said she could help me find one. Anyway we went out and had some coffee and then she showed me the hotel... She conveniently said she wanted to stay with me. :) She didn't want to be thought of as a "working girl" so she didn't mention money or anything... Anyway she had the most beautiful body and silky white skin and great in bed... But then she say's "I have to leave very early in the morning to work" She then wanted to sleep - but I could tell she wasn't sleeping ... She was waiting for me to fall asleep.. Sensing her plot I got up and put my shorts on and put my wallet inside them... Then I could a shallow sigh of resignment coming from her... Anyway early morning came my wallet and money intact :) But I did give her 100 thousand as a goodbye gift.

If you keep on your toes you might beat them at their own game hihi. But I've been beaten a couple times too as you saw what happened in my earlier post. The vast majority of the girls I've met are honest at what they do and you have no worries. Just a few of them will try to deceive you in one way or another...

Happy Hunting !

AR,

Good advice bro - Thanks

Pussyrider
09-24-05, 04:14
I have been reading messages on this forum for a few years now and I found them to be very valuable. It does not matter where I am in the world, this is the place where I come to for information on P4P.

I have been to Vietnam for a few times now, and I totally love the country. Vietnam is a value for money country if you know where to go. You can find some gorgeous women in clubs, bars, massage palours and karaoke places.

If you stay in a 5 star hotel, they usually have a bar or a night club in the basement, where you pay for one or more girls to sit and entertain you. Generally the cost per girl per hour is $VN150,000, and the services include sitting, chatting & dancing with you, and allowing you to hold and caress them lovingly. If you would like additional services, you could arrange that with the girl or the mamasan. So don't be shy to ask.

The girls in the bars & clubs are expensive, but they are better in terms of business dealing than the ones on the motorcycles. The ones on the Motorcycles are the rejects of the clubs, bars, karaoke and massage palours.

If you pick up a girl from either a bar or a night club and she robs you, you can report her to the manager of the bar/night club. They will ban her from entering the bar/night club (she will turn into a motorcycle girl, running the street looking for you).

Just a few tips on the masseurs. They have a base salary of about $VN250,000 a month (enough for petrol to get them to work only). They live on their tips.

The tips are at your disposal. You dont have to give tips if you dont want to. However, even the locals give $VN100,000 per session to the girls. That is per session of 45 minutes. If you go for 1.5 hrs, that is 2 sessions.

Generally, the going rates for the masseurs are:

Without HJ
you pay for the normal massage plus you tip the girl $VN100,000 (Dong);

With HJ
you pay for the normal massage plus you tip the girl $VN150,000 (Dong);

Now, the normal masssage would cost around $VN100,000 for 45 minutes. This allows you to use the steam room, the sauna, the cold & hot pool. In addition, they will also give you a coffee, tea, water and a small plate of fruit in an air conditioned cinema room while you are waiting for your girl (you tell the attandant the type of girl you like and they will try to please you) or waiting for yourself to total relax before your massage.

When the massage has finished you can stay and watch a movie, have a coffee, tea, water and fruits as well as use the heath facilities again, and for as long as you like.

There are lots of girls (sometimes 25-30 girls) at these premises. And they take turn to make their livings. Once a girl has finished with a customer, she has to wait for 25-30 customers to come through before it's her turn again to earn some money. This sometimes can be up to 3 or 4 hours.

The masseurs work between 10 to 12 hours a day and earn between $VN300,000 and $VN500,000, assuming that the average tip is $VN100,000 per session. The earnings will be 50% less if the average tip is $VN50,000.

The owner only allow these girls to work 3-4 days per week - on alternative days -, as they want their premises to have as many selections as they could. And when these girls get older or gain a bit of weight, the owner will terminate their employment.

Most masseurs will not sleep with you, but some will if they like you. I have picked up a few chicks from the massage parlours. They came to my hotel after their shifts and stay till the morning. They did not ask me for any money, but I gave them some.

I hope this will help you when you are in Vietnam.

Sixty
09-24-05, 20:32
Thanks for your report bro,

Can you recommend some massage parlors with some nice girls and less scam?

Sixty

Pussyrider
09-25-05, 05:42
Guys,

I have been to many massage palours in HCM City, but I like the one on level 1 at VIEN DONG hotel on Pham Ngu Lao St, District 1. Remember to tell the attendant the type of girls you like.

Have fun guys.

Pussyrider

Wanderer2005
09-26-05, 14:56
Sahara on Pham Ngu Lao St, District 1 has been closed for the last three weeks now, anyone know if it will reopen?

It went thru a particularily nasty drug raid. I was there when it happend. All off a sudden, the light came on a 1:30 am, and the doors slammed shut. No one was let out of the club. Lost of screaming and shouting.

All the foreigners was set free and the VN were held back loaded up on trucks and sent to the police station. (150+) for drug testing.

I came with two lady friends, when I refused to leave without them, they himmed and hawed and finally let us off the back door. Just put on a smile and talk friendly, the last thing they want to do is take a foreigner to the police station and have to call a foreign embassy to pick them up. All the negotations took about 45 minutes. No money changed hands.

Since I will be in VN for a while it looks like.
Is there another club like Sahara? Was not too impressed with Lost in Saigon or the other backpacker bars.

Almost do not go downtown to D Khot street. The women are too aggressive, you do not enough time to choose anything before you get swarmed for drinks and gum.

Went to Volcano, apocalypse. not impressed.
Gossip, liquid, and rainforest was good, but not quite the same talent and relaxed atmosphere as Sahara. And since I have been here only 4 weeks, any mongerers out there with better options?

Would like some mongering company if anyone is interested. Anyone living in HCMC?

Wendella
09-27-05, 08:04
They were gutting it this week and the owner has decided to turn it into a shop. That's according to staff there, who I talked to. No there isn't anything else like it out there. What you see is what you get. Most of the same people will gravitate to the other places--I saw one of the Sahara regulars at Apocalypse this past week. Like you, they'll be looking for other places to go, and those places will become more like Sahara was as a result. That's how Sahara became what it did. About 2 yrs ago, the police shut down what were the big 3 late night spots (Long Phi, Lost in Saigon and Apocalypse) at the same time, and suddenly the small, dark, quiet Sahara was the one happening place after midnight. The whole backroom area opened not long after that transformation, to accommodate the crowds. A couple months later, Long Phi reopened as a straightlaced quiet bar down the road from its old locale (it was right next to Lost in Saigon before); Apocalypse stuck to closing at midnight rather than 2am, and Lost ... I'm still not sure what happened to Lost in Saigon. Is it a gay bar now? It does still stay open late at least.

Wanderer2005
09-27-05, 15:21
Club 501 Does anyone where this is?

District 6?

I was told this was the next best place to Sahara to go to?

Option 2: some bar in the new world hotel? Catwalk?

Lot of very cute girls in liquid or Rainforest, but these are drink and hugs type of girls, have not tried to take one out yet. Anyone tried?

Agree with lost in Saigon, I think it has become a gay bar.

Whhosh the list is shortening fast

Duggins
09-27-05, 16:47
I’d like to talk about a topic that doesn’t get much “play” here—meeting "regular" girls in Ho Chi Minh City. I’m just as much of a monger as most on this site, but as someone who’s fortunate enough due to my work to be living in Medellín, Colombia, I have easy access to inexpensive working girls as often as I want, so my passion for the pro scene these days is not nearly as high as it would be if I were living in the USA and taking a vacation to Vietnam.

Sex with hot young working girls is something in which I indulge once or twice per week here in Colombia, and I don’t anticipate that I will do a great deal of mongering in Vietnam. Maybe I’ll go for a haircut or massage with a happy ending, but mongering is not the focus of this trip. I want to have fun in a foreign country, experience the people and the culture, and maybe meet some “normal” girls.

So, my questions are as follows:

1) How receptive are most Vietnamese girls to Caucasian Americans? To give you a background on me, I’m 35 years old (look younger) and am better than average looking.

2) Which places in Ho Chi Minh City are the best places to meet regular girls? Obviously, shopping malls and other similar places would be on the list. Are there any in particular that are recommended?

I will be in Vietnam for 2-4 weeks, depending on how I like it. Any advice would be appreciated. I would also be interested in hearing from some Viet Kieus who might be interested in getting together during my trip, which will have me arriving in HCMC on Dec. 2. I plan to learn as much Vietnamese as I possibly can prior to the trip, but I know that whatever I know won’t be enough.

Thanks!

Ultras67
09-29-05, 08:00
Hey guys

I will be flying into HCM in a couple of weeks for my first time in vietnam.

Anyone want to meet up and give a noobie a tour for a night?

I will be delving back into the previous posts to see whats what, but its always nice to have a helping hand to find tha paid of er female helping hands and mouth and....

:)

Cheers

Case Study
10-01-05, 14:29
Sahara on Pham Ngu Lao St, District 1 has been closed f
Just put on a smile and talk friendly, the last thing they want to do is take a foreigner to the police station and have to call a foreign embassy to pick them up. All the A smile will help but the embassy/consulate will not :) The Vietnamese have no qualms about arresting foreigners just so you guys know. I was fortunate to have gone to Sahara on friday, just one day before it got busted.

I really dont know the reason why they let the foreigners go that night but it's not always the case so be careful.

The last thing the embassy wants to do is get involved in bailing out some foreign party boy. They're under no obligation to bailing out anyone.

El Frances
10-01-05, 17:14
1- Any regular vietnamese girl would be happy to meet a 35 years old caucasian american...... willing to marry her. She would probably first introduce him to her parents....
2- You can meet them anywere, but not so many would speak enough english