Ho Chi Minh City - General Info

[Wanderer2005]

Wendella was right, the migration route has changed!

From 9-12:30 its apocalpyse. All the fish was swimming well here
Woman content definitley went up, looks like all the Sahara fish ended up here. Hooked up with one just for the ride, to see where the herd was migrating for the night. Music was good, fish was plentiful.
Lots of pros and semi pros.

Come 11:45-12:45 they head to Lost in Saigon for the night. (till about 4pm)
Not all the fish swam this way, so it makes me wonder if there is another fishing hole open somewhere else? another bar in pham Ngu Lao?
Lost is saigon is waaaaaaay too small, bumper to bumper all the way. At least the alcohol is cheap. many drunk australian women here, unfortunatley not into heavy set women.

OK so decided to explore other places.

Vivas
69 Huynh Thuc Khang, Dist 1

Smaller place, good dancing lights. not many fish to purchase.But lots of women in groups of 3-4 having the night out (freebies). This was very intresting will explain more later. Drink were priced O.K

Moved to Volcano.

Definetley busier since my last visit. Huge dance floor, get a table on the floor, the music and lights have quite an affect.
Many fish here....:)

2 levels.

The escort class, usually in black or red clothes, long eyelashes, looks very obvious.
The semi pro class, harder to tell, but usually in pairs of 2-3, less drinks on the table, occasional dancing, not that well dressed.

Now the freebies are the real interesting ones. Took me a little while to break down the code.

They are usually in 2-3 groups. Lots of drinking and dancing, basically partying to the max. They will never look at you direct (must be a VN thing) but rest assured if you are looking at them, they are looking at you. They all have real jobs somewhere so they are not desperate, just looking for a BF. Most of them speak resonable english.

Ok so they will never make the first move. If they smile that a sure comeon sign else Barge right into the group, intro yourself and buy them all a round of drinks, dance with them. ALL of them, not just the one you like. (Another strange titbit, their friends must like you for them to go out with you again, for this money must be spent and fun must be available).

Almost no chance to have a freebie on the first night. They always go home together, must be a self protection system! This will happen on a couple more trips, and many text messages and then she will go out with you alone with a possible touchdown. It takes an average 3-5 outings to get anywhere and then if free after that. (OK dinner and partying required).

Oh! if fish lives with parents, freebies are almost impossible.

There is a 30-40 YO level of freebies whom do not have any of these rules. They also party in same packs. same night freebies are possible if they like you and feel you are safe. They are more difficult to decipher, some are married, some are not, but all well educated and well heeled. Dressed conservatively.

Met a bunch of these women, they appear to be the upper level of VN club society. One was a teaches at the local international school, vixen in bed when the lights was off. Totally exhausted by morning. In the morning she looked like an average mild mannered english teacher!

Freebie fishing actually quite easy and more entertaining, it just takes longer and patience. Caught almost all my fish this way lately, but you need a rolling stock developing at all times!

[Silly Puppy]

You said :"Any regular vietnamese girl would be happy to meet a 35 years old caucasian american...... willing to marry her"

This is purely imaginary. It is true that many girls are dying to get out of the country so they are willing to marry anyone who can offer them the ticket. Many girls pick Caucasian only because they don't have a choice. They prefer Vietkieu (Viet expat) to Caucasian. This is not to put Caucasian down but the Viet normally look down on girls going with foreigners. And also language barrier makes them like Vietkieu more.

Classy girls pick foreigners only if the foreigners are extremely rich or handsome. Average girls have not much choice so any Caucasian will do. Old Caucasian have more chance with prostitutes than with normal Viet girls.

[White Monkey]

For the love of the chase.

As Asia opens up with economic expansion and the effects overworking and debt have on society there are many more young women looking for the attention that they don't get it at home. Families will workign parents are not that traditional anymore. The results...more gals looking to do "bad things".

I think that pulling a legit Vietnamese gal is much easier than other Asian monger areas like Thailand, etc.

Of course in all of these situations you have to put in a little effort and understand the culture. And you have to realize that there is a lot more to gain for a Vietnamese gal to pull a "tay" than a Thai gal to pull a "farang".

I have nailed a dozen or so local, educated Vietnamese, even uni students. I am about the same age as you, bta looks, traveled and educated. I have found some of them have been wild too, like "cum on my face or fuck my ass" kind of attitude. Many of them I met online, but others are to be found in the hip areas like in District one where the upwardly mobile, nuveau riche are intersted in western tail.

Hit the malls in the area, during the day and coffee shops/meeting areas at night, and be friendly and give it some time.


I’d like to talk about a topic that doesn’t get much “play” here—meeting "regular" girls in Ho Chi Minh City. I’m just as much of a monger as most on this site, but as someone who’s fortunate enough due to my work to be living in Medellín, Colombia, I have easy access to inexpensive working girls as often as I want, so my passion for the pro scene these days is not nearly as high as it would be if I were living in the USA and taking a vacation to Vietnam.

Sex with hot young working girls is something in which I indulge once or twice per week here in Colombia, and I don’t anticipate that I will do a great deal of mongering in Vietnam. Maybe I’ll go for a haircut or massage with a happy ending, but mongering is not the focus of this trip. I want to have fun in a foreign country, experience the people and the culture, and maybe meet some “normal” girls.

So, my questions are as follows:

1) How receptive are most Vietnamese girls to Caucasian Americans? To give you a background on me, I’m 35 years old (look younger) and am better than average looking.

2) Which places in Ho Chi Minh City are the best places to meet regular girls? Obviously, shopping malls and other similar places would be on the list. Are there any in particular that are recommended?

I will be in Vietnam for 2-4 weeks, depending on how I like it. Any advice would be appreciated. I would also be interested in hearing from some Viet Kieus who might be interested in getting together during my trip, which will have me arriving in HCMC on Dec. 2. I plan to learn as much Vietnamese as I possibly can prior to the trip, but I know that whatever I know won’t be enough.

Thanks!

[El Frances]

James Tran

Didn't you realise I was joking at Duggins? (sorry for that Duggins).
I do not share the optimism expressed by other members about getting freebees in vietnam if people stay short time. I also had some freebees but I found out that most of them had a longer (or shorter) term goal. OK, anything may happen, but I doubt many young viet girl would sleep with a man knowing that he would go back home after a few days and leave them with no prospect for a longer term relationship, or any undirect reward (such as paying hospital expenses for a close family member).

I agree with you on most of your comments. But I guess real classy girls (and others) may also like someone who's gentleman, educated, with a sense of humor....

[John05]

I work with a lot of Vietnamese. They all agree that you can get quite a few sex workers with no problem. They also all agree that there are many girls out for money and an American passport. Even Vietnamese who go back to Saigon to get a wife usually end in divorce after a short time. Their advice is to look for a girl from the provinces and to take your time. I can tell you that advice is defnitely true for Bangkok as well. Must be the city versus the suburbs mentality.

[Silly Puppy]

Thanks for the explanations.

To all,
It is a myth that many Caucasian males think they can get in the female Asian pants easier than their Asian male counterparts. Just like in any countries you can pay to get what you want. Or if you want freebees you have to work for it because there are no easy meals for you. You can get a wife or girl friend rather easier in Asia because you are richer than many of the males there. Your "bach qui" (white devil) looks are compensated by the money you bring to them. Your lack of language (no, you can't be humourous unless you can speak or she can speak yours) are compensated by the promise of bringing them back to your country. If you are thinking with an average Caucasian look (or a little bit better than average) and naturally better built than the Asian males, or having a bigger dick, you can attract females like stinky shit attracts flies :) then you will be disappointed.

My recommendations for any cheap Caucasian out there looking for an easy fuck. If you are a loser when it comes to girls in your country then you very likely may be also a loser in Asia. The last statement doesn't apply to Caucasian guys who indeed desire Asian than Caucasian girls. So if this is your choice then weighing all the pro's (free ticket to leave the country, more gentle (?), somewhat richer than the poorest Asian males, etc) and con's (language barrier, customs) you have about 50 % chance higher than the Asian male and 50% less chance than the Vietkieu. If you think you have bigger cocks and thus have more chance then you are better off with looking-to marry prostitutes or older divorced women (with couple kids) since normal girls are afraid of size. Just think about all the black folks are fucking your white women now and put yourselves in their positions.

It is cheaper to get girls but not easier to find a girlfriend in Asia if you are a loser in your own country!

[Pute Nut]

James Tran,

I think you are missing the wonderful "law of average". It [still] works pretty well in many places in Asia for us white dudes.

I had a hard time keeping a straight face recently when this fat ugly late 30s gaijin guy - that would have had a hard time to get laid at all in his home country - sat down with his 18 yo Japanese date/GF a couple of tables from me in Vie de France. Wow. More power to him.

Law of average. Works for me too :)

[MrMeyers]

James Tran,

Sounds like you have a little insecurity problem. I have been traveling/working in Vietnam over 10 years and I would have to disagree. Most any decent, working white guy could find a beautiful wife in Vietnam who is a "good girl". I have probably heard from hundreds of Viet women about how Viet guys are lazy, drink too much, smoke too much and treat their women like shit. There is a subtle revolution going on in Vietnam, the vast majority of university students and new business owners are women and because of the very small pool of decent Viet guys to choose from, they are staying single or waiting to meet a white guy or Viet Kieu. Although my wife would not even date a Viet Kieu before she married me. Many beautiful and successful women in the cities don't need a white guy because they want to leave Vietnam, they are enjoying their lives and choose white guys for other reasons besides money. Kind of the same problem successful black women in America are having.

You are very correct about one thing, A loser in his own country will also be a loser in Vietnam.

[Case Study]

Wendella was right, the migration route has changed!

From 9-12: 30 its apocalpyse. All the fish was swimming well here.

Woman content definitley went up, looks like all the Sahara fish ended up here. Hooked up with one just for the ride, to see where the herd was migrating for the night. Music was good, fish was plentiful.

Lots of pros and semi pros.

Come 11: 45-12: 45 they head to Lost in Saigon for the night. (till about 4pm) Not all the fish swam this way, so it makes me wonder if there is another fishing hole open somewhere else? another bar in pham Ngu Lao?

Lost is saigon is waaaaaaay too small, bumper to bumper all the way. At least the alcohol is cheap. Many drunk australian women here, unfortunatley not into heavy set women.

OK so decided to explore other places.

Vivas

69 Huynh Thuc Khang, Dist 1

Smaller place, good dancing lights. Not many fish to purchase. But lots of women in groups of 3-4 having the night out (freebies). This was very intresting will explain more later. Drink were priced O. K

Moved to Volcano.

Definetley busier since my last visit. Huge dance floor, get a table on the floor, the music and lights have quite an affect.

Many fish here. : )

2 levels.

The escort class, usually in black or red clothes, long eyelashes, looks very obvious. The semi pro class, harder to tell, but usually in pairs of 2-3, less drinks on the table, occasional dancing, not that well dressed.

Now the freebies are the real interesting ones. Took me a little while to break down the code.

They are usually in 2-3 groups. Lots of drinking and dancing, basically partying to the max. They will never look at you direct (must be a VN thing) but rest assured if you are looking at them, they are looking at you. They all have real jobs somewhere so they are not desperate, just looking for a BF. Most of them speak resonable english.

Ok so they will never make the first move. If they smile that a sure comeon sign else Barge right into the group, intro yourself and buy them all a round of drinks, dance with them. ALL of them, not just the one you like. (Another strange titbit, their friends must like you for them to go out with you again, for this money must be spent and fun must be available).

Almost no chance to have a freebie on the first night. They always go home together, must be a self protection system! This will happen on a couple more trips, and many text messages and then she will go out with you alone with a possible touchdown. It takes an average 3-5 outings to get anywhere and then if free after that. (OK dinner and partying required).

Oh! if fish lives with parents, freebies are almost impossible.

There is a 30-40 YO level of freebies whom do not have any of these rules. They also party in same packs. Same night freebies are possible if they like you and feel you are safe. They are more difficult to decipher, some are married, some are not, but all well educated and well heeled. Dressed conservatively.

Met a bunch of these women, they appear to be the upper level of VN club society. One was a teaches at the local international school, vixen in bed when the lights was off. Totally exhausted by morning. In the morning she looked like an average mild mannered english teacher!

Freebie fishing actually quite easy and more entertaining, it just takes longer and patience. Caught almost all my fish this way lately, but you need a rolling stock developing at all times! Thank you for that nice report, very accurate! Freebies are available all around Saigon, you'll just have to work harder at it. I'm so exhausted from working that by the weekend comes around I just want to hang out with the guys or pick up a working girl to make things simple. But for you guys looking for freebies, definately follow his advise.

The one thing I do hate is when they go out in packs. It's very hard to break the ice, but like Wanderer said, do pay attention to all of them. Although it should become obvious by the end of the night which one you're interested in and ask for her number (then the game begins). However it's a little stickier if you're interested in more than one in the group: )

I had these girls, Koreans/Vietnamese/Viet Kieu came up and asked me to join them at their table (I was waiting for my buddies alone). Two of the girls were really cute and by the end I ended up writing my number on a napkin and just sort of gave it to all of them. They have called back and I got to hook up with one of them. Hard thing is how to move on to the other ones: )

*Question: now that Sahara is closed, where do everyone go to party after 12? Lost is just too bad crowded, I cant breath in there.

Before 12, try YANG on Pasteur. I went there for the first time last Friday and it was a nice place to chill.

[Silly Puppy]

The law of averaging is being applied here. And remember there are always exceptions in every generalization case.

MrMyer,

There are many Viet guys marrying white girls here in the states. However, they have to be decent, hard working and not some lazy assholes who hope one day they can attract these girls by their so so looks. The same case applies to yours so it should not come as a surprise. There are some Viet girls who find Caucasian attractive and vice versa. But I stand firm that in order to date a normal girl your chance of being successful is much higher if you are a decent guy, educated, rich (relatively to Viet guys), you-name-it. Of course there are always exceptions like I already said. I once sold my car to this ugly and poor Caucasian who was an electronic technician with drinking problem. He told me he had a beautiful girl-friend in VN and proved it by showing me his bedroom where he put her pictures everywhere. I was thinking this was a fucking W***** he was praising but I didn't say anything to spoil his dream. Well, congrats to you for marrying a nice Viet girl and hope your marriage lasts. I've seen so many bad cases in US but will not try to generalize it in your case.

Pute Nut,

"I had a hard time keeping a straight face recently when this fat ugly late 30s gaijin guy - that would have had a hard time to get laid at all in his home country - sat down with his 18 yo Japanese date/GF a couple of tables from me in Vie de France. Wow. More power to him."

I wonder how did you know she was his GF and not a hooker?

[John05]

Sounds like you mostly stand a good chance of getting a non pro if you are Vietnamese. Duh! Anyone would have told you that. Same race and language. Well who would have thought that would help?

So the chances are small. Ok. Well at least we know there is a small chance but not to go there for a 2 week vacation and expect to get laid every night by non pros. My friend told me that the girls outside of Ho Chi Min city are a lot less expensive and to look for them outside of the tourist area. He has said that there are many for only $10 but you have to get a local to help you. Those may be difficult to find at that low a rate and they may charge us more simply because they think we are all rich.

[Silly Puppy]

There are always chances no matter what race you are. The question is how big is your chance? The longer you stay and know the people the more chance you have to fuck non-pro's. But I find it is hard to believe if you can score a non-pro within 6 months.

So knowing your chance is slim, just go there, to the outskirt of Saigon and look for hookers. If you don't know the language then my recommendation to you is "pay them appropriately" because there is no way on earth you can fuck them with only $10. I can but you can't, period!

[ThatsMeWhat]

I scored a couple of non-pros on a few of my 3 weeks visits to VN. It does take some prep work over the internet first. Granted it takes a fair amount of effort before hand and its not always a sure thing, but it has worked for me.

I would love to find some of those outskirt girls next time I'm in HCMC. Message me and maybe we can meet for an excursion to the outskirts.

[Silly Puppy]

Mr. Thatsmewhat. While I can score non-pro's by tricking them I've never wanted to do that because I can't lie to them like a lot of Vietkieu's have been doing. I am not assuming you are lying (such as bringing them back to States, etc,all the craps) but this is out of the norm if you know what I mean.

Questions:
1) How do you know they are non-pro's by not being able to speak the language and know the locals?
2) What work did you prepare? Maybe you can teach us some tricks here.
3) There are many Viet pro's who are playing non-pro's to catch innocent Caucasians and Vietkieu. They hang out at chat rooms A LOT. Well, you can catch some of them this way but be careful not to fall into their traps. Even Viet playboys got tricked by them.

I am currently living in the States and probably won't go back until next year. I'll be happy showing you around if we have a chance to meet.

[Saigon5]

I was reading the freebies part of the thread with a certain interest. I am still debating if I like the freebies better than the bar girls or not and I have done so for the last 15 years.

Freebies are possible but with the exeption of 2 freebies, all the ones I received did involve a lot more work, patience and in the end money.

My first freebie was back in 1993 at the time where Apocalyse Now was a small bar with 6 tables. I walked in had a beer and left with the waitress who was as interested as I was to have sex. No money, no strings. The second one was odd. I was sitting at a cafe in Da Nang with a friend. Two girls drove by, stopped and asked us if they could join. The next morning I met the other girl on the street and since her English was better than the one I spent the night with, I asked her what happened. Simple answer, her friend divorced 3 years ago and never goes out. She needed sex and got it.

I will avoid doing a general rule but normally when I started to go out with a regular girl in Viet Nam, it also ended the same way. At first, I would say I am not interested in getting married and having children. I felt that this way, I was clear on my intentions. Time to get them in my room varied from a few days to a few months but the ending was always the same. At one point she realized that I was serious about not getting married and would decide that our relation as no future.

One has to keep in mind that most of the Vietnamese girls have a "mission" to get married and they will do everything to do that. Of course there are always exemptions to the rules and one could get lucky and meet a wealthy single girl that has no interest in getting married and want to have a good time. They are there but in limited number.

One part that is often overlooked is that Vietnamese girls really like drama in their life. The music is sad, all their love songs are sad and they really like this. Is it normal for them to be sad in love. Once in a while they will do something like going out with a white boy, knowing that there is no future but this will provide them the needed sadness. Impossible love is always beautiful and happy people have no stories.

The contradiction is in the word freebie. Mind you that this would not be the first contradiction in Viet Nam. I think that in the end, other than the 2 exemption, the freebies costed me more money than the bar girls. It is not about money but with the notion of freebie. Of course while in Viet Nam one is in the perfect situation to be patient. Go out for dinner and small talk with the regular girl you are trying to get a freebie from and finish the night on Hai Ba Trung street. No problem.

[vietkool]

I just landed in SG and found to my disappointment that some of nice bars such as Bar 131 (on Ng Hue) and maybe Number 1 on Le Thanh Ton were gone. These bars are more geared toward Viet Kieu (I am one) and local Vietnamese. Are there similar places open these days? Or where do the VN young/or not so young hang out for the evening ?

Thanks,

Kool

[John05]

There are always chances no matter what race you are. The question is how big is your chance? The longer you stay and know the people the more chance you have to fuck non-pro's. But I find it is hard to believe if you can score a non-pro within 6 months.

So knowing your chance is slim, just go there, to the outskirt of Saigon and look for hookers. If you don't know the language then my recommendation to you is "pay them appropriately" because there is no way on earth you can fuck them with only $10. I can but you can't, period!

I never said that it was my opinion James. It was another person who had been there before. I have no idea if Viet hookers are $50/$100/$1000 for all night. Until I go there I really do not care. From what I have seen of the hundreds of Viet girls in Little Saigon here....they really do not like white guys. There are hundreds of thousands of Viet girls living here in the USA and you never see them with white bfs. So one would suspect that finding a non pro without motives of getting to the USA/Visa scam would be very, very difficult.

People generally like their own kind more than another race. Duh! I do have to say that the girls from South America are generally more friendly to white guys and actually like us over their own in many cases. That does not seem to be true for the Viet girls. They rarely prefer us. Like I said....hundreds of thousands living here in Southern California and quite difficult to see them with a white bf. That is why we use the hookers in Ho Chi Min when Americans go there. It is all about money for them and we know that game well.

[Hermescali]

I never said that it was my opinion James. It was another person who had been there before. I have no idea if Viet hookers are $50/$100/$1000 for all night. Until I go there I really do not care. From what I have seen of the hundreds of Viet girls in Little Saigon here....they really do not like white guys. There are hundreds of thousands of Viet girls living here in the USA and you never see them with white bfs. So one would suspect that finding a non pro without motives of getting to the USA/Visa scam would be very, very difficult.

People generally like their own kind more than another race. Duh! I do have to say that the girls from South America are generally more friendly to white guys and actually like us over their own in many cases. That does not seem to be true for the Viet girls. They rarely prefer us. Like I said....hundreds of thousands living here in Southern California and quite difficult to see them with a white bf. That is why we use the hookers in Ho Chi Min when Americans go there. It is all about money for them and we know that game well.Maybe it is a too close circle in Southern california, but I am surprosed to hear this. When I went to Vietnam 4 times in a fiftenn month period in the very early nineties I had no problem in meeting non-pro girls.

Here in Germany I have a vietnamese male friend, owning a restaurant. The waitresses are quite interested in me, but I took out only on so far (but took out two of his chinese waitresses.

But I haven´t been to Vietnam in over five years, so don´t really know

[Obeone]

If anyone knows the name, address and location of this place kindly send a PM. I was brought there by a local, its about 45mins from the city center on the outskirts of town.

[RatuFreddie]

I like to get some information re this too! And maybe a short report, Obeone?

[ThatsMeWhat]

If anyone knows the name, address and location of this place kindly send a PM. I was brought there by a local, its about 45mins from the city center on the outskirts of town.What place?

[Obeone]

I’m getting old, the force is weakening, memory bad - it must be the effect of wasting away too much energy and metachlorian's on pretty asian women. Thank god my trusty oldlight saber still works..haha:D

The “Handsfree restaurant” is situated in a rather secluded area somewhere on the outskirts of HCM about 45mins from the city centre. Sorry for the poor description but it was my 1st time there. One thing for sure, you won't find it in a tourist map. If not for my local contact, I wouldn't have known such a place exists.

The place looked more like a private villa than a restaurant. Judging from the deco, menu and clientele, it caters for the more prominent affluent locals. Upon arrival you are greeted by the captain with a welcome drink. Then we’re given the menu (my friend did the honors) together with a photo album containing an impressive selection of ladies. We each choose a pair - they will be our waitress/companions for the rest of the evening. We are then ushered into a private dining room that resembles those rooms in a ktv joint. Furnishing is spartan; straw mats, a low dining table with a bowl of sweets (actually later found out they were condoms), folding lacquer changing screen, closet, mirror walls and ceiling, cushions and bathroom.

We were just about to kick off our shoes and make ourselves comfy when our waitress/companions arrived. What a sight… they look even better in the flesh than the pics, wearing sexy lowcut black silk see-through Ao Dai's but without the pants and undergarments. My lightsaber stirred in my pants, had to use the force to calm it down (down boy). After exchanging greetings one of the gurls talks to my friend explaining the rules of the house. Basically they are our women for the rest of the evening to obey, serve and entertain us. During dinner we are not allowed to use our hands to eat (not even knife & fork is allowed) instead they will serve and feed us. BUT our hands and other body parts are free to do anything else just no touching the food. Sucks doesn't it? We pay them to treat us like babies… yeah right!:p Little did I know that I was to experience the kinkiness of messing food with sex!:p

One of my girls (I'll call her Y) then gives a bathrobe, accompanies me to the changing screen then helps me undress while the other girl (Z) goes to the bathroom and later emerge with a hot towel and basin of warm water. My friend gets the same treatment from his gurls. I got turned on as Y undressed me, she's probably done this many times before but there was still that element of shyness as she took off my boxers, gazing down pretending not to look at my lightsaber – but her gasp and flushed face gave her away:). Y neatly folded and hung up my clothes in the closet. I'm now just wearing a bathrobe covering my birthday suit. As they say just go with the flow… as I lay down on the mat the Y gets busy wiping our face and body with the hot towel. While shes at work my hands casually stroke, grope and knead her body through her black see-through dress. She trembles, sighs and moans in response but continues her cleansing chores. I dip my fingers in her nicely trimmed pussy, it smells so fresh and tastes delicious. The tender loving care I receive soon activates my lightsaber much to the delight of Y. She gives me a wet sloppy deep kiss. I was just about to plan my attack when on Y when Z arrives with drinks and entrée, leads me by the hand towards the dining table. Damn… no pussy yet but as master Yoda would say “those who wait, good things will receive”:p.

Sit cross-legged at the table, remember “no hands on the food and drink”. Z pours me a glass of wine, facing me sits on my lap and brings the glass to my mouth for a sip - its some kind of local brew. I could feel her bare pussy brushing against my lightsaber thru the fabric. Pointing to the glass and her mouth, I ask her to take a sip. She obeys my command but just before she could gulp it down I pull her closer and give her a DFK. As our tongues entwine I savor the remnants of wine from her mouth. Using the Jedi mind trick, she gets the idea and takes another gulp as we DFK again while she grinds her crotch on my aroused lightsaber. She starts feeding me some sort of soup while my hands start to roam and explore her body. We do our wine sharing act again. Damn… my lightsaber is turning blue by now it needs to release some metachlorians. I point to it and without hesitation she grabs the cushions for me to lay back then starts loosening my robe, licking/sucking my nipples and catbath all the way down to my lightsaber. She grabs it with both hands and marvels at it like an object of worship, gives it tender butterfly kisses while her pussy paints my legs with her juice. Not to be left out I snap my fingers and motion to Y to join in the fun. Y slips her dress off, comes to my side with both hands cupping her tits offers them to me – they’re so soft and succulent. Both Y and Z take turns deeply rimming my ass, sucking my metachlorian laden balls and finally my lightsaber. Damn... I'm craving for some fresh Vietnamese "oysters", instructed Z to get into 69 position for me to savor her delights as she attempts to swallow my lightsaber. Y does the same so I take turns using the Jedi cunnilingus alphabet trick on Z while fingering Y vice-versa, lost count the number of times they climax. I began to feel a disturbance in the force as my two young padawans dedicated ministrations on my lightsaber, balls and asshole began to take effect, finally explode releasing jets and jets of pent up metachlorians. My beautiful padawans gobbled up every last drop of the precious jizz.

After the 3 of us catch our breath, my padawans clean me up ready for dinner. Such a fantastic entrée really built up my appetite for dinner and later desert. I won’t go into the details but let me tell you humping beautiful girls while they feed you and fooling around with food on naked bodies is something that you must experience in a lifetime.

Now back to the quest… this episode happened about a year ago, I’ve since lost touch with my Vietnamese friend who brought me there. I’m planning on making another trip there soon and would really appreciate any info to track down this restaurant. Please excuse the Starwars crap, I just wanted to make the FR funny.

-May the Force be with you-

[Csflat]

Hey Obeone,

Great post man.

You got this jedi knight standing at attention. If you find this place agian please keep us inform. I'll be back in VN after the new year. Would really want to check this restuarant out.

Question for you? What was the damage? What city / district and name of the place? 45 minuite north bound or east or west or south?

[Fw190]

I can understand the "thrill of the chase" involved in trying to meet gals in bars, hotels, clubs, etc. But I'd like someone who can speak English, be a dinner date, show me around town and explain some of the local ways, and so on..... In most big cities, this would be an Escort. Does anyone know if there are such services in Saigon? Thanks for any info you can pass along.

[Chikan]

Obeone, that was a great report and well written! Sounds like a fun place, let us know if you can find it again.

Chikan

[Co Van My]

I can understand the "thrill of the chase" involved in trying to meet gals in bars, hotels, clubs, etc. But I'd like someone who can speak English, be a dinner date, show me around town and explain some of the local ways, and so on..... In most big cities, this would be an Escort. Does anyone know if there are such services in Saigon? Thanks for any info you can pass along.You can find bar girls and freelancers that easily fit your description. Many of them can slide into your escort description very smoothly, especially those from the higher end places. Finding such a girl on your own, without the services of an "agency" is very easy.

And here's a possibility that I rarely see mentioned on any of the SEA boards. It is very possible to take a Vietnamese massage girl working in the U.S. with you on a trip to Vietnam. I realize that this is like bringing coals to Newcastle, but it has some nice attractions. You get an English speaking companion who shares some of your Western idiosyncracies. You already have established compatibility and comfort levels. She can set you up with some male contacts in Vietnam who can open all the other doors, such as the "no hands" restaurants, for example.

You need to set the ground rules up front. She might even pay her own airfare. You will pick up hotels and meals and some shopping. Make sure she realizes that she'll be sharing your bed. She'll want some time alone to visit her family. You'll want time alone to explore some of the waters on your own. Agree in advance on how much time she'll actually spend with you.

The main attraction for doing this from her point of view is that you provide a perceived security blanket for her at immigration, customs, and day-to-day in Vietnam. This is mostly illusory because Viet kieu don't face much harrassment when they return these days. But the perception still seems to persist among a lot of the girls. They are used to depending on men.

Your presence will also offer her some valuable face because she will have a "rich" American in tow,

This is completely doable. If you frequent AMPs or Vietnamese karaoke restaurants, all you have to do is mention the fact that you will be traveling to Vietnam in the near future. If she doesn't make the offer (and I have had a carload of them), you can broach the subject yourself, prerably in a light-hearted way, just to test the water.

In the spirit of full disclosure, I have to admit that I have never done this myself. I would much rather explore Vietnam totally on my own, but the offers are out there. It's just one more alternative for making your trip a memorable one.

[Fw190]

To: Co Van My

Thanks for your great reply. Very helpful and thought-provoking, especially that part about bringing a gal with you on a visit from the States.

Now for the short-term part: how easy is it to find an "escort" type date without using the services of an agency? How would I start. Actually, this is a timely question for me, because I happen to be in Saigon right now for a week on business.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Co Van My]You can find bar girls and freelancers that easily fit your description. Many of them can slide into your escort description very smoothly, especially those from the higher end places. Finding such a girl on your own, without the services of an "agency" is very easy.

[Co Van My]

[QUOTE=Fw190]To: Co Van My

Now for the short-term part: how easy is it to find an "escort" type date without using the services of an agency? How would I start.

Assuming you do not speak much, if any Vietnamese, I'd suggest one of the following.

Look for a freelancer at Saigon Saigon on the top of the Caravelle Hotel or a Cat Walk girl at the New World Hotel.

Look for a freelancer in the bars (such as Back Packer) along Pham Ngu Lao.

Try a massage at the Bong Sen Hotel, 117 Dong Khoi Street. Tell the massage girl exactly what you want. If she won't go with you, the chances are very good that she will hook you up with a friend.

I HAVE tried each of these successfully although for shorter periods of time.

[Asian Rain]

Back in HCMC and haunting the XVNT moto girl strip in front of the zoo entrance on Thi Minh Khai. See previous reports for details of location. This is my Sunday-Monday night quick visit report.

(+) Sunday Night -> I made the mistake of going a bit early - 8.30pm - and the traffic was very dense, so sat down at the zoo entrance across from the Mitsubishi dealership. I was pleased to see plenty of excellent quality girls circling - 15 or so girls in the 20yo range. The big disadvantage of coming out at this time is that with so many people around to watch, the girls will not slow down/stop unless you go to the curb and wave them down. I don't like to attract attention, so I waited until 9.30pm for the traffic to die down.

Finally made eye contact with a big-busted cutie and she stopped on the third pass. Name was Thuy - 20yo. She shocked me by asking VND900k ST. I dropped my jaw, took a step back and waved her on. She waved me back - the negotiation ending at the shocking VND400k price - about three times she would get from a local and above my regular VND300k price. I made sure she was okay for picture/video and we sped off to the mini hotel. The hotel tried to get VND250k for the room. I politely shook my head and held out my standard VND150k and waited for the guy to accept. During the walk up to the room I was trying to figure out what was making me look like such a sucker with everybody trying to inflate prices. Go figure.

At the room Thuy was a good actress for the camera. She stripped down and gave some great poses. But after that she was in a big rush. Hurry, lay on the bed. 10 sec for nipple lick. 30 sec for (rather good) BBBJ. Slip on the condom. Spread legs. Fuck me please - quickly. With just 5 min of video shot, I slowed things down. Did her mish - big fake moans of pleasure. Got her in doggy - slammed her beaver, giving her ass a slap for her incessant requests to finish. Finally got my fill and got her on the bed, had her spread her legs and jerked a nice load of cum onto her pink oyster. Good girl in some ways, but way too hurried for my taste.

(+) Monday Night (Part One) -> Went out for dinner with colleagues and they dragged me out to a pool bar near Hai Ba Trung. How I hate these bars... so predictable and terrible value for money. Mommy sent me a lovely 22yo baby-faced girl with melon-sized tits. Drink #1 - show us those lovely melons. Touch and suck. Now show us your pussy - at least it is trimmed. Drink #2 - Take off the panties little girl. Quick inspection of her slit. Nice. Girls want to play pool - if they lose they take off an item of clothing. If we lose, we pay VND100k. Waste of time - we have seen everything already. We continue to play pool. Girls start to suggest mini hotel. Quote is US$60 for FS plus US$20 for mini hotel - 2 hour ST. Circa VND120k... and none of these girls are willing to allow video or pictures, so forget it. We finish up some more pool and leave, with the girls bitching for tips as we leave. All-in-all US$15 for some pool, some groping, two lady drinks, two man drinks and tip. I would have rather bought 15 DVDs at the market.

(+) Monday Night (Part Two) -> Get back to hotel from Hai Ba Trung. Need quality relief. Grab my bag and walk over to XVNT. Arrive 10.30pm, so traffic is thin and girls are able to approach easily. I opt to be a bit picky... reject the first couple girls to stop. A real young cutie riding with a mama-san stops - good girl, but they refuse pic/vid. Scope out another talent and signal her to stop - 300k with video agreed and we are off to the hotel. Name was Swee - 20yo.

Back at the same mini hotel we end up with a fan room - yuck. The things we have to bear for love. Turn on the video cam and Swee gets shy... puts a pillow over her body, trying to hide. I give her a stern look and start to pack up - that's the last of that nonsense. Get a decent posing shot. Bad start to the service as Swee does not do BJ. BJ service with these girls is 50/50. Have to move directly to FS. Get into mish and squeak the springs hard. Get tired of the squeaking and switch over to doggy. Beautiful view of Swee's sweet ass and spunk box sticking directly into the air. Slip my cock in and pound away... nice genuine moans when I am slamming her hard. Swee has a nice feel to her box and is not at all rushed - just take my time and enjoy the feel. Build up to a nice climax and blow my load onto her ass crack and snatch. That's the way to end the night. Sweaty, but relieved.

Generally satisied with the visit - pics upcoming. Lots of other talents remain to be sampled, but I get easily tired of the boom-boom mini hotel routine. Next stop is Manila - can't wait to get there.

[Lovesaigon]

As you know the 2 street, Tran Quang Khai(TQK) and Nguyen Phi Khan(NPK) are famous for KTV. There are lots of KTV in these streets. By my experiences and "my view point",

1. TQK

1) Style: hardcore
can do anything except love. Girl rushes even if you do nothing

2) Price: expensive
About 800K/2persons

(including tips for girl, 1box of beer and some food. 1 box? not too much for girls bcoz they will drink a lot even if you don't drink.

The price depends on you. If you drink little and don't eat snack or food,
the price will down but to enjoy a lot with a girl, you'd better drink more than you want.

When you are satisfied, you'd better tip for mamasan for future)

3) Girl: thin, taller than NPK

4) Working time: 5:00PM ~ 01: 00AM
Even if visit 12: 00, that's ok.


2. NPK

1) Style: softcore
soft kiss and touch

2) Price: cheaper than TQK
About 600K/2persons

(Girls here don't drink too much bcoz they should start to work from early afternoon everyday.)

3) Girl: little fat but not too bad, some cute girls

4) Working time: 01: 00PM ~10: 30PM
Girls go home at 10: 30PM.

-- End --

[Drano]

I will be staying in this district, roughly on Dien Bein Phu just across the river. Is there any interesting "activity" in that neighborhood, including bars, etc.?

Thanks,

Drano

[Bleute]

If anyone is going to Vietnam and wants to hook up with an FL I know a site to chat on to meet such women.

Log in to www.vietfun.com. Then go to chat and you can pick the age or area where you want to find a FL.

I have done this previously and found some very lovely young and old FLs in HCM City. They have been accommodating in the extreme. One even had me stay in her apartment in Le Loi Street which is in the heart of town.

She was extraordinary.

I had only just arrived on the plane and she picked me up and paid for the Taxi to her place.

I was tired as my plane had left Auz at midnight. But she laid me down on the sofa and gave me coffee.

Soon after she asked me to go to bed and have a sleep. I liked it on the sofa so she came over and gave me a hug. She proceeded to take my clothes off and her own and then gave me a BBBJ with plenty of Anal tongue. She was tremendous. After this I was still horny so put on a Cap and banged her on the floor. It was gr8.

I stayed with her for 3 days and she never tired of BJs and other delights.

One night I had had about 5 bottles of BGI. When we went home I lay on the bed with my butt over the edge so she could tongue it while I gave myself a HJ. When I was about to Cum I pulled her head up and she swallowed the lot. She is a gr8 woman and I intend to go back and see her in 2006.

Have met some young ones on that site also and they were equally good butnot as experienced. Happy hunting on Vietfun.

[Fw190]

Just tried it, and found that all the chat rooms were chatting in Vietnamese. Are you a Vietnamese-speaker, or did you actually mean that there are chat rooms that function in English?


If anyone is going to Vietnam and wants to hook up with an FL I know a site to chat on to meet such women.

Log in to www.vietfun.com. Then go to chat and you can pick the age or area where you want to find a FL.

[Dugalococamo]

I know a place (about 90 minutes from HCM) Many girls all for 100 - 200 thousand (I would imagine there are at least 50 girls in this location - I see them in many small cafes or on the street). Some very young and beautiful and cute. Some a bit older but more "experienced"

I go there about once a month just for the fun of it. But I have always gone alone. Anyone out there care to hook up and we can go together and have a good time? Most of the girls there don't speak english but I can introduce you to them without problem if you don't speak vietnamese. Please message me if you are interested.

[Fw190]

Does anyone have the latest update on whether the following hotels in the central area of HCM City are "girl-friendly" at the present time?

Majestic
Rex
Bong Sen (Dong Khoi Street)
Bong Sen Annex
Continental

Thanks.

[Gaolei]

The Rex is very Guest UNfriendly. I brought a girlfriend in at mid morning. The doorman reported her and they brought her to the front desk where they read her the riot act. Scared the hell out of her, so she would not go in the hotel at all.

[Bleute]

FW190 yes it is a Viet language site on most of the chat sites. Some of the chat sites are english/VN chat sites. However if you preface your email with CHAO BAN which is VN then you can get a post up. Anyway if you use a ANGLO name and just sit there girls will come to you. Especially the ones who are looking for an overseas boyfriend.

[El Matador]

Hi,

I might go to Ho Chi Minh soon. Any place you recommend where I can enjoy an hot and nice 3 some with 2 girls? Ani idea about the price as well?

[El Frances]

I guess non of the hotels listed by Fw190 are not girl friendly. In Bong Sen you can at least receive girls in your room untill 10 pm if they register at reception. Probably the same for the others except maybe Rex hotel.
Cheers !

[Silly Puppy]

I think you are bs'ing. Vietfun is a place that people chat mixing Vietnamese and English at will. You must be a Vietnamese to know what the hell they are talking about. About FL's, I also think you are imagining. Show us some evidences.

[Silly Puppy]

Continental should be ok before 11PM. It has a massage area where you can get hj for 100K to 150K dong tip. For 150K you should be able to finger the girl.

[Asia Rocks]

Does anyone have the latest update on whether the following hotels in the central area of HCM City are "girl-friendly" at the present time?

Majestic
Rex
Bong Sen (Dong Khoi Street)
Bong Sen Annex
Continental

Thanks.

Caravelle is girl friendly before 11:00. Sheraton is UNfriendly.

[Fw190]

Blute is correct. I tried it. I logged on to the chat room and didn't do anything (lots of silly air-head chat going on). Then came all the requests for individual, offline chats! It was like moths heading for the flame. More than you can handle. To be sure, probably a lot of that was students trying to practice their English. It would take a lot of sifting to find out if there's any "gold" there. Probably more efficient just to go to a night club in HCMC. :-) But still, the seriousness and intensity of these young Vietnamese on the Internet is really impressive; they are hardworking and dedicated to bettering themselves. Too bad our own kids aren't that way.


I think you are bs'ing. Vietfun is a place that people chat mixing Vietnamese and English at will. You must be a Vietnamese to know what the hell they are talking about. About FL's, I also think you are imagining. Show us some evidences.

[MrFish]

I stop a couple of times per year in HCMC, always befor I go there I chat a bit in vietfun and I always get a couple good contact some girls I met only for a drink some for everting some for free, its defenetly a good platform to ged some good girls.

But don't worriy, hcmc its my favorit place in SE Asia, and the most relaxing time to break a business tripp very friendly girls. Very easy just the luxory hotels are a pain but $ sorts a lot of things.

[OldAsiaHand]

I will be in town for a few days next week. If anybody wants to hook-up, drop me a PM. Thanks.

OAH

[Bleute]

I just sit there and wait when a female comes on for a Personal Chat I ascertain age, if she can speak english and then get her phone number.

If she is interested and gives a phone number I just write it in my book and ring her from here or when I get there.

It works Trust Me.

[Retired Army]

I don't know if the Rex Hotel is girl friendly. I think that given the general attitude of the staff it wouldn't be. Then again, it is a pretty busy place and if you don't attract any attention you might get away with it. Just act like she is your girlfriend or wife and you are registered together (and don't bring in someone dressed like a hooker) and go for it.

[Retired Army]

Why is this place so Popular? Music way too loud, much too crowded and drinks overpriced.

[Danielus20]

[QUOTE=Asian Rain]As the night park has opened for kids near the zoo entrance opposite the Mitsubishi dealership on NTMK, the moto girls seemed to have stopped crossing the bridge. I now walk over the bridge and sit on the railing. The best pattern I can discern is that girls start up the street and make the turn around about halfway up the bridge.[QUOTE]This place Asian Rain mentioned is still going strong. Though I don't exactly know the system - not every girl will stop for you. None seemed to speak english if you care about that.10-15 bucks was the 1hr rate on offer from most. I found the spot from my lonely planet guidebook map - it's about a 20 minute walk from the big cathedral down town.

[Bamboo Pete]

Hi guys ,

I'm SE Asia experienced but I'll be the first time in VN this coming January. I'm not really keen to bring girls into the hotel or go to a mini hotel , I rather like to do the 'business' in a back room of a bar. Are there any special places for BJ or ST ?

Cheers,

Bamboo Pete

[Asia Rocks]

Hi guys ,

I'm SE Asia experienced but I'll be the first time in VN this coming January. I'm not really keen to bring girls into the hotel or go to a mini hotel , I rather like to do the 'business' in a back room of a bar. Are there any special places for BJ or ST ?

Cheers,

Bamboo Pete

BP,
Yes, you can do that in some of the hostess bars on Hai Ba Trung St.
Cheers, AR

[G Jelly]

So where's the best place to sit and wait around? I walked up and down both NTMK and Le Duan, and that strip between them with the entrance to the zoo. No dice. Is there a cafe somewhere outside that I can sit and wait?

It's kinda frustrating, this not being able to find it.


[QUOTE=Asian Rain]As the night park has opened for kids near the zoo entrance opposite the Mitsubishi dealership on NTMK, the moto girls seemed to have stopped crossing the bridge. I now walk over the bridge and sit on the railing. The best pattern I can discern is that girls start up the street and make the turn around about halfway up the bridge.[QUOTE]This place Asian Rain mentioned is still going strong. Though I don't exactly know the system - not every girl will stop for you. None seemed to speak english if you care about that.10-15 bucks was the 1hr rate on offer from most. I found the spot from my lonely planet guidebook map - it's about a 20 minute walk from the big cathedral down town.

[Bamboo Pete]

AR,

Does this mean that some bars have a room and some not? How do I find bars which specialize on BBBJ ? Can you give me some bar names? How about the prices?

Thanks,

BP

[Asia Rocks]

BP,
Never really paid attention to names, only one I remember is U2 which actually is on a side street just off Hai Ba Trung. There are two side by side on Hai Ba Trung, Nos. 49 and 51 which, in addition to being the address, might also be the name.

Anyway, when you are at the right location you will know it and, yes, some bars have back rooms and some don't. Just go in and you will immediately have a date. Ask your date if she will do BBBJ in back room. Guaranteed 100% of the girls do BBBJ so the only issue is whether they have a back room (at some places the "back" room is upstairs).

Price is what you negotiate, but they will probably ask for $50.
Cheers, AR


AR,

Does this mean that some bars have a room and some not? How do I find bars which specialize on BBBJ ? Can you give me some bar names? How about the prices?

Thanks,

BP

[Fun Sex]

Guys,

I went to VN for my vacation. I stayed there for more than a month. I just got back. I have so many things that I want to tell you guys, but let me rest for a few days. I will update my info soon.

FS

[Mojoke]

Hi guys,

I'm heading to saigon in two weeks. I've been there only once before and had a fairly slow go at it. I didnt get that many girls, they were mainly motogirls right around newworld. Tryed a hoc toc in cholon, the girls there were 1-3 looks wise. I didnt try any other hoc tocs but if you guys can recommend one I'd love to give it another try. Went to the APOCNOW once but it was overcrowed with guys and I ended up drinking 3 beers and heading back to the hotel. Didn't try any other discos, but from reading the board it seems a good place for stunners but expensive (for vietnam anyways). Any advice you guys can give would be welcomed.

BTW tryed the vietfun chat rooms last nite (probably too late) and got nothing but a bunch of abv's swapping normal chatroom stuff, dunno if it was me using opera or not but didnt get a single invite (will try again today). It would be nice to get a cutie to show me the sights.

Mojoke

[Bamboo Pete]

Thanks for the hints, AP ,

but BJ for 50 Bucks is not a real bargain compared to A.C or BKK, aint it?

How abount the massage places?

Cheers,

BP

[Artisto Art]

VietSingles and VietFun. You get 3 free responses per day and if you join $9.99 (gold) you get 50.

Many girls give up there number quickly and some have them readily available for Gold Members.

They have written directly to my email address and have sent add'l pics. So it looks for real.

PM me and maybe we'll meet up, may be there when you around.

Cheers!

[Asian Rain]

This is a compilation of the District 1 areas that I have personally used to pick up P4P action in HCMC. I have augmented it with an annotated tourist map so that everybody can better pinpoint the places that I am talking about. I will make references to the areas marked by RED DOTS on the map as I go along.

GENERAL THOUGHTS AND ADVICE

- Cost vs. Peformance: I tend to try to minimise the former and maximise the latter. I may not always achieve this goal, but I look for good bang for the buck. I don't have the access to the significant network of places that service locals nor do I have the time/patience to cultivate freebies. I usually have a small window of time in the evening after going out to dinner with colleagues, so I want a "sure thing" at a predictable price without hassles. Oh, and I HATE bloody karaoke for P4P, so you won't see me writing about those providers.

- Hotels: All tourist and upper-class hotels have varying policies against guests - from "never ever" to "only till a certain time at night." I KNOW Sofitel will allow guests till 9pm (they must leave an ID with the desk). Caravelle will allow guests until 11pm. I KNOW that Sheraton does its best to enforce a "never ever" policy. DON'T ask me about other hotel policies.

This means for most cases you will have to use a small family-operated "mini hotel." These hotels are most often legitimate hotels, but thier main business may be servicing short time girls in the evening. I have encountered two types - cheap US$10 hotels (usually without aircon) and better US$20 hotels (aircon and big bed). As a foreigner, each hotel will charge you a full night's rate for 1-2 hours of use. I have even been rushed out of a hotel after 20min on one occasion (and ended up taking the phone off the hook to enjoy a bit more time)! Always pay for your hotel in Dong - VND150k for a $10 room or VND300k for a $20 room. If the hotel clerk asks for more, just smile and wait till they take the money you offer. Most hotels will ask you for your passport for registration. I NEVER carry my passport - I just smile, shrug my shoulders and say "sorry, no have" to the clerk. They never refuse me a room. All hotels will hand you or the girl an industrial strength condom (yes, they know what you are there for) that will remove any chance you have to feel a pussy. Recommend that you bring your own supply. If you use the hotel condom, you will be charged VND10,000 when you leave, so bring it back upon checkout if you don't use it.

- Negotiating: With moto girls, always negotiate in Vietnamese Dong. At the current exchange rate, it is better to pay VND300k instead of offering US$20. Be clear on your unit of currency to avoid misunderstanding... I write 3-0-0 on the palm of my hand and say "dong" and make sure the girl nods her head.

Girls from Apocalypse, Hai Ba Trung bars and other foreigner-catering places will generally deal in US$ denominations. Spoiled.

- Safety: I have never been ripped-off, but I am extra careful and have heard some awful stories. You should be wary too... NEVER bring more money than is necessary. REMOVE any unnecessary jewelry/watches/etc. ALWAYS lock the door of the hotel room yourself. ALWAYS keep your valuables in sight - for example, NEVER allow the girl to take you into the shower and shut the door... while this is happening someone will enter the room and rifle your pants. NEVER trust the girl - she doesn't trust you either!

[A] THI MINH KAI/INDEPENDENCE PALACE MOTO GIRLS [Ref #1]

Girls of varying beauty ride around on motos - alone or with a driver - looking for short time customers. The girls usually start to come out past 10pm after the nearby park closes. Best to stand in the darkness of the shops (near red dot #1) and look a bit helpless - the girls will drive up onto the sidewalk and come to you. If a girl stops that you like, use sign language to negotiate a price. This is the cheapest action I have personally experienced - US$10-15-20 for ST.

I have used these girls 4 times. Each time the girls have taken me to the same depressing non-airconditioned (fan only) mini hotel near the old Sahara Bar. Each time the hotel has charged me VND150k (US$9) for an hour of room usage. Each time the girl has required me to pay in advance so that the driver can bring the money back to her mama-san. This has led me to believe that these girls are not independent operators. Each time the girl's attitude has declined once I handed over the money: TWICE girls reneged on agreements to do video, one refused to do a simple blow job and ALL rushed the service. This is a direct product of paying in advance. Once you have handed over the money, the girls have no incentive to do anything but get things over with - quickly and painlessly (for them). One pop and you are DONE.

PROS: Cheapest cost. It's darker and the girls are easier to approach. CONS: Cheapest service.

[B] SMALL PARK ACROSS FROM CARAVELLE HOTEL [Ref #2]

FL SW girls will often hang around the small park area across from the Caravelle hotel. They are all looking for foreigners with cash. I have quoted prices with 3 girls - all wanted US$40-50 ST, all were average, none was worth patronizing.

PROS: You could find a gem, but doubtful. CONS: Hit-or-Miss presence, and the taxi drivers will spot you and pester you. Usually girls with babies. Pricey for the quality.

[C] HAI BA TRUNG BARS [Ref #3]

Starting at #49 and #51, there are a couple more bars up to the one next to Pomodoro restaurant. Small places with blackened glass doors. If you are alone or with another male friend, the doors will open and a tout will try to guide you in. There are actually many other Ha Ba Trung-type bars as referred to in other posts, but the system is generally the same in other bars.

Each bar employs 10-20 girls - generally good looking and a couple real cuties. In theory it is possible to go to these bars and just have a beer, but that's not the point. Beers cost circa VND25,000 and girl drinks cost circa VND50,000. Best to CONFIRM THIS and ALWAYS KEEP COUNT. These bars get used a lot for business entertainment - hence you will see a lot of expats entertaining colleagues... they are there for some fun and fondling in the dark but not much else.

When I am taken to a Hai Ba Trung bar, I almost always reject the first girl to approach me. I ask the mommy for a young cutie with big tits and a tight ass. Once I see something I like, I will tell the girl to get a drink. NOTE: You will HAVE to buy the girl a drink or she cannot stay with you. I tell the girl to drink slowly. Once you have bought the girl a drink, you have the right to fondle her within reason - that is what she is there for. That is why I like the big tits and tight ass. It seems the more you fondle, the quicker the girl drinks her drink. I think the girls are programmed to let the drink last for a maximum of 15min, so you can think of it as VND200k (US$13) per hour to have the girl accompany you. I always get the girl to show me her tits and pussy, but don't bother to attempt much else.

If you are fondling very actively, any clued-in girl will sense this and usually suggest going away to a mini-hotel for boom-boom. FS ST quotes I have gotten are US$50 for 2 hours plus $20 for the hotel. I have done this twice and had reasonably good experiences. If you take a girl out, all transactions will be between you and the girl. The girl will take you to a reliable safe mini-hotel that has protection from the police. In some ways I can see why these type of bars are popular - US$100 is not a big cost for an evening of booze, broads and a nice bang to the business crowd.

Some places have private rooms in the back or upstairs. I recollect that #51 has Japanese-style private rooms, but have never used them. They are there for hosting groups - the rooms aren't really designed for complete privacy (glass windows on the doors), so I doubt there is much possibility for on-site services.

All of these bars have a pool table. If you play, the girls will likely want to join in and play for money - one real time/money waster is to play strip pool. If you win a game, the girl takes off an item of clothing. If you lose, you pay the girl VND100k. This is why I get the girl to show me her tits and pussy right from the start - why does anyone want to play so many games of pool and buy so many drinks just to see tits and ass?

If you don't want to take a girl out but still want action, another possibility is to get the girl's phone number. ALL the girls have the latest posh Nokias, so just have her program her number into your phone and then call her the next day to meet up at your hotel (assuming it is guest friendly during daytime hours - see above). You won't save much money, but at least you can have your fun in the comfort of a better hotel. You can also try to take the girl before your hotel's curfew, if you have that luxury.

PROS: Some nice gems to be had for the businessman budget. Relatively safe, anonymous and straighforward - especially if you are entertaining guests. A chance to "know" your girl before you really "know" her - which might end up a GFE. CONS: Pricey. If you get a bad girl, there is no returning her.

[D] APOCALYPSE NOW BAR [Ref #4]

A lot has been said about the decline of this place, so I won't add anything more but to concur. The last three times I have been there in the last 10 months have yielded zero P4P. Not that you can't get it, but it isn't even worth it. Older girls asking for US$75-100 for ST just isn't my zone of acceptability. Take a look and you will likely agree.

PROS: None that I have experienced. CONS: Poor girl/guy ratio. High-priced drinks. Bad music. Girls with poor beauty/cost ratios.

[E] THI MINH KHAI/HCMC ZOO AREA [Ref #5-9]

Okay, I have saved the best (IMHO, based on the 10 girls that I have taken) for last, but those of you staying in the city centre will have to take a $1 moto/taxi ride to get there. First, I pack a rucksack with my video camera/light, a fresh towel from the hotel and my kit pouch with silicone oil and condoms. I usually take a moto to the zoo main entrance at the end of Le Duan (ref #5) and then walk to the zoo entrance on Thi Minh Khai (ref #6) across from the Mitsubishi dealership (ref #7). I walk the last bit because I don't want any moto drivers to know where I am going... if they know you are after girls, some will try to take you places not worth going. Some mongers seem to be walking Le Duan to the zoo main entrance, but the girls rarely cruise this area - there is the National Museum, a school and several sugar cane juice stalls on Binh Khiem, so LE keeps this area sanitized. It does not make sense to go before 9pm... there is a hell of a lot of traffic and some of the shops will still be open.

Try to arrive between 9:30-10:00pm. If you are expecting a dark alley with girls hanging about in fishnet stockings and mini skirts, you will be in for a shock. This part of Thi Minh Khai is a very crowded road in the evening and girls riding the motos will usually be in street clothes - although I have seen a few dress rather sexily. So your first move should be to sit down on the high step in front of the zoo right behind the bus stop. I like to sit here because it is not immediately obvious to onlookers that you are hunting for P4P... you could just be a tourist from the zoo. Look out into the traffic... you will spot the occasional young girl zooming by. If you watch the pattern carefully, you should be able to discern 5-10 girls circling. Just try to get a handle on the potential selection. It will seem that the girls are not looking at you - they will seem to look forward and be completely focussed on the road. But believe me, they are VERY AWARE of your presence. There have been occasions where I was not able to spot any girls in this area (I guess because of LE crackdowns.) Both times I was able to find the girls circling up the road at the bridge (ref #8). You can sit on the railing of the bridge to get the pattern as well.

Some posts have asked what is the "system" here. Well, the system was really designed for guys with motos that can cruise in traffic and talk up the girls while in motion. It was not designed for mongers hanging on steps a few meters back from the road. One thing to keep in mind: the customer base for these girls is local guys - they may never have serviced any kind of foreigner. I think the girls find it just as uncomfortable to stop and proposition a foreign stranger as it is for a foreigner to be standing at the side of the road flagging down Viet girls on motos. But that is just what is required... once you have spotted a girl, your best shot is to position yourself at the edge of the sidewalk and lean up against one of the poles or phone kiosks. If a girl stops and you are not interested, just gently wave your hand to decline and she will go away. If a girl you are interested in does not stop, it may help to discreetly wave your hand to get her attention. If I can do so discreetly, in order to attract a cutie I have also barked "YOU" when the girl passes by.

Once they stop, they will say something like "go hotel mini massage boom-boom." Most of these girls cannot speak any English, they will just want you to hop on the back as stopping by the side of the road attracts unwanted attention - for both you and the girl. Before I hop on, I draw 3-0-0 on my hand and say "dong" to mean that I am offering VND300k for FS. Although this may not be applicable to you, I also confirm pic friendliness by saying "photo/video ok?" Once the girl nods acceptance, I hop on.

NOTE on economics: Local guys typically pay VND150k (or less) to the girl for ST and VND50k for hotel. A foreigner offering VND300k ST is a rather generous sum in this market. My observation is that these girls are relatively independent operators. Just remember, once you have paid a certain sum, the girls will remember.

The girl will almost always take you to one of the many mini hotels behind TMK (ref #9). Sometimes the hotels are full and you will have to try another hotel. Once we arrive at the hotel I will VERY discreetly (without removing it from my rucksack) show the girl my video camera to ensure that she is okay for video. I really like the hotels behind TMK - all take VND150 for ST and offer clean aircon rooms with a big bed. I would even highly recommend them for long-term stay - all legitimate, cheap, clean, safe and girl-friendly! What more would you want? Pay, get your key and go up. I have had girls ask me to pay her FS fee upon check-in. I just point to upwards and say "in room." The hotels don't have any business relationship with the girls that I am aware.

Once in the room often the girls will ask for money up front - they will hold out thier hand. I always reply "boom-boom one, money two." If the girl seems particularly skittish, I will take out my wallet and show her the money. Once, and only once, I took out the money and laid it on the table. I did not let her take it until the job was done. I DO NOT recommend to pay in advance under any circumstances - the incentives to perform will disappear.

Sometimes the girl will just start undressing... this is when I pull out my video cam, oil and equipment from my bag. I like to make sure that the girl will not balk on video, which they occasionally try to weasel out. Don't tolerate it - I will start packing up if the girl refuses! Anyway, you can take a look at my pic sets for an idea of what an experience with these girls is like. I have had some very pleasant girls, but nothing approaching GFE - no 30 min quickie is going to provide that. You should assume that your girl may need some assistance to know what to do... I have had girls strip, lay on the bed, spread their legs and just lie there waiting for me to penetrate them. Remember, this is the service that locals probably get, so a little patience and education can help - use hand gestures to lead the action. Once you are finished (one pop only), you can wash up, pay the girl (I add a VND50k tip if the girl was especially nice), grab a moto outside and go back to your hotel for sweet dreams.

PROS: My favorite balance of price/performance - some nice 18-21yo cuties. A good challenge if you are a "hunter" type monger. CONS: An intimidating process and environment for the first-timer.

Last words - there are a LOT more places to try - bars, discos, karaoke, other SW spots, etc. There are many useful posts from other members which can guide you to these places - READ the POSTS.

Enjoy HCMC! AR+

[Traveler1234]

This is a compilation of the District 1 areas that I have personally used to pick up P4P action in HCMC. I have augmented it with an annrequired... once you have spotted a girl, your best shot is to position yourself at the edge of the sidewalk and lean up against one of the poles or phone kiosks. If a girl stops and you are not interested, just gently wave your hand to decline and she will go away. If a girl you are interested in does not stop, it may help to discreetly wave your hand to get her attention. If I can do so discreetly, in order to attract a cutie I have also barked "YOU" when the girl passes by.y in advance under any circumstances - the incentives to perform will disappear.
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Last words - there are a LOT more places to try - bars, discos, karaoke, other SW spots, etc. There are many useful posts from other members which can guide you to these places - READ the POSTS.

Enjoy HCMC! AR+

I'd like to nominate this for report of distinction...great FR and map AR!

Can someone a little more tech savvy move this post over?

[Co Van My]

saigon for first timers
updated as of april 2003

[disclaimer, december 2005: after seeing asia rain’s excellent post on his saigon p4p strategies, i coaxed myself into posting this faq for first timers. unfortunately, many of the specific places i mention here have closed since 2003 or have changed beyond recognition. i can no long vouch for them, but i decided to leave them in the faq just in case anyone wants to do some exploring with an “old map.” as a matter of fact, some of my most memorable experiences have been pure serendipity, something i found along the way while looking for something else. so, with those caveats, here’s my faq, started long ago and last updated in 2003].

this abbreviated faq is a response to the questions from many of my friends who plan to explore saigon for the first time. it is merely a starting point. once you have your feet on the ground, you will quickly find other places to go.

night life in saigon is abundant. unless you speak vietnamese or a vietnamese accompanies you, it is best to start out in places that cater to foreigners -- at least until you begin to understand how the game is played. there are wonderful places on the outskirts, with unimaginable delights. veteran travelers will jump right into them without any preliminaries, but most first time saigon visitors would do well to learn the ropes someplace where there are other foreigners around.

2003 comments
i was in saigon at the beginning of the sars epidemic. the city really wasn’t aware of it yet. it may have had an effect later, but not while i was there.

several new discos have opened with ear splitting volume levels (not my style). lots of new restaurants.

my general impression is that there are more bars, more and prettier ladies, and higher levels of services than in the past. hotels are more permissive. more bars have short time rooms (or knee-scuffed pool tables), and high-end prices seem to have come down a little, while low-end street prices have remained about the same. there is no reason ever to be lonely in saigon!

on the other hand, i also found more rip off bars than before; notably those near apocalypse now on thi sach street, and paradise on hai ba trung. these places either pushed lady drinks way too hard or, in the case of paradise, deliberately short changed me not once but twice.

hotels
things are changing, but up until the last couple of years, bringing a lady guest back to your hotel was not permitted. the normal routine was to go to a short time hotel and pay $10-$30 for an hour or two. in vietnam, short time hotels are usually the ones referred to as a “mini hotel,” but not all “mini’s” are short time. actually, mini hotels, as the name implies, are simply small, privately owned hotels, whereas the big, regular hotels are either state-owned or joint ventures with large international partners. in theory, your payment covers two rooms, one for you and one for your girl friend. this is all eyewash for the police, of course, since prostitution is illegal, and the government periodically mounts short lived but aggressive campaigns against social evils. your girl friend will be able to suggest the proper ‘mini,” but in case she is a true amateur, here are some good stand-bys.

mini hotels
i used to suggest two or three specific guest-friendly hotels, but i have decided to remove these from my faq. first, because there are so many such places that finding one is really not a problem; second, because so many people read these reports that the small hotels i have recommended in the past swiftly get overrun.

regular hotels (that may permit guests)
it is now possible to bring girls back to many of the larger hotels with only small or no extra charges, but the girls had to leave their id’s with reception. there are also restrictions on the time of day. afternoon and early evenings were ok, but very late night or overnight visits were not generally allowed.

i have not tested their guest policies personally, but i have had girls tell me specifically that they could go to the new world hotel (upscale and expensive) and the bong sen hotel (comfortable, newly refurbished, $35 a day). your girl will probably know whether to try it or not. or, just ask the front desk.

just remember that vietnam is much more conservative than thailand and cambodia. the staff will know very well what you're up to and they will be very judgmental. in my case, i use my hotel for business and for greeting friends and straight ladies, and i would definitely not be comfortable parading my "other side" in front of the staff. i think it would reflect very poorly on those whom i meet there.

new world hotel
76 le loi
district 1
saigon
tel: 848-822-8888
fax: 848-823-0710

bong sen hotel
117 dong khoi
district 1
saigon
work: 848-829-1516
fax: 848-829-8076
e-mail: bongsen@hcm.vnn.vn
guests must be out of the hotel by 11 p.m.

here is a very short list of my favorite places where vietnamese language is not an absolute requirement.

dance clubs
in general, there is a door charge of $5-10. a dancing partner is available for about 200,000-vnd/hour. these are beautiful girls, aged 18-25, in elegant cocktail dresses, chinese split dresses, or vietnamese ao dai. tips are expected (200,000-vnd about average). these clubs feature live singers and traditional (vietnam-style) ballroom dancing. rumba, tango, bebop, cha cha, slow, etc. if you don’t know the dance step, fake it with any american step you feel comfortable with. the girls are excellent followers. nearly all the clubs feature disco type dancing during the breaks.

liberty (tu do)
80 dong khoi
q.1
saigon
829-9820
small but friendly. relatively good selection of girls.

rex hotel
le loi street (i don’t know the address, but this is a famous hotel, any taxi will know it.)large room, girls dressed in plain colored ao dai, the vietnamese long dress. good music. conservative atmosphere.

maxim
dong khoi street, next to the majestic hotel.
this is a favorite of returning vietnamese tourists, who say it is the best of the lot. elegant, stunning ladies, pricey.

discos
these clubs all have small entrance fees ($5-10). they are full of house pros, freelancers, and amateurs. eye contact and a smile will bring them over to you if they are interested.

gossip disco--hotel mercury
(closed for construction in april 2003. may or may not reopen)
tran hung dao street
q.1
this is my personal favorite pick-up place. there’s usually a large number of ladies here, many of them very beautiful. they used to have good music from a filipino band, but currently it’s only recorded disco music. there’s a mini hotel within a short walk: thanh thao hotel.

medusa club
at the end of the long alley beside the amara hotel.
323 le van sy
q.3
saigon
848-843-9999
disco, karaoke
very upscale, but reasonably priced. more than 80 beautiful girls for singing, dancing, cuddling. couch seating around a dance floor downstairs. karaoke upstairs. this is a favorite of the koreans, but most of them have gone back to korea. ask the mamasan for someone who can speak english. many, but not all, will go to a hotel with you.

disco inside vien dong hotel
name used to be cheers, but now has changed to something else.
275 pham ngu lao street
trendy dj music. lots of freelancers.

freelancer places
almost every nightspot abounds with freelancers: bars, discos, nightclubs, etc.

old standby:
apocalypse now, thi sach street
this place has been around a long time and seems to be the hands down favorite of western visitors and expats. it gets absolute jam packed to the point it’s hard to move around. plenty of ladies, some very new to the trade, some just looking, some amateurs.
no entry fee except for unaccompanied ladies, so sometimes it’s fun to wait outside until a pretty candidate shows up alone, and you can offer to escort her inside so she avoids the cover charge. nice ice breaker.

old but comfortable:
backpacker bar
pham ngu lao street
this has been in the heart of the backpacker district for a long time. i have usually avoided it in the past, but when i ambled by the last time, some nice traditional jazz was wafting out the door. i went in for an hour of relaxing recorded music over several whisky sodas, and i left with a sociable young lady who spent the night for d-450,000.

new place:
cadillac club
77-89 nam ky khoi nghia.
upscale, live music, nice bar, quieter than most, lovely freelancers.

bars
pha ly bar
74 hai ba trung
saigon
hostess bar. here, the girls are down and dirty. you can get fs upstairs for $30 total.

stephanie's (cafe dep)
work: 825-8471
14 thai van lung street
@ le thanh ton
saigon
aggressive hostess bar, but the girls are often stunners. they will really hustle you for drinks, so you need to keep your wits about you. you can take girls out of here, but there is sometimes a bar fine. better to discreetly make an appointment for later, or for a nooner the next day.

sun - moon bar
work: 848-824-4295
74-b hai ba trung
saigon
a bar downstairs and mediocre live music upstairs. full of girls.

the monkey bar (aks huu dien).
ha ba trung, corner of lam son square (one block uphill from hien & bob’s). avoid this place unless you a very high tolerance level for being hustled for drinks. this place is packed with hostesses who want to drink up all your money except exactly what you’ll need to pay them and a hotel later. ok to stick your head inside, but be prepared to cut and run.

mac thi buoi street
between dong khoi and hai ba trung
several hostess bars along this street (e.g., crystal, u-2 (formerly green field ii) long vy). many of these bars have short time rooms, pretty grungy and not always private. asking prices are $30 (d-450,000), with half going to the mamsan. since street prices usually start at about d-200,000, there’s not a lot of room to bargain.

hien & bob’s place
43 hai ba trung
for a change of pace, this venerable bar offers some beautiful but conservative waitresses and a quiet place to relax alone or with friends. the ladies are always in traditional ao dais, but under the guardian eye of owner hien, they rarely offer more than coquettish conversation, although a high percentage of them have ended up marrying their regular customers. bring your manners and a happy disposition and you’ll have a pleasant time.

barber shops
there are three kinds of barbershops in vietnam: straight, shampoo-facial-massage (sfm), and shampoo-blowjob or more (sbj).

please don’t leave vietnam without a 2-hour sfm shampoo. you don’t need to get a haircut. the specialty is a cool, long shampoo, a facial, and a body-massage (fully clothed). under the right circumstances, with discretion, you can move to considerably higher plateaus on subsequent visits. i have never tried to meet any of the girls outside, but i have the phone number of several of them, so i’m sure it’s possible. this is an unforgettable, sensual experience.

sbj. there are at least a dozen of these strung out over a half-mile stretch of dien bien phu street starting at approximately #76 and stringing all the way to #380 and beyond. i picked up the following report off the web. sorry, i didn’t note the name of the poster, so i can’t give proper credit. however, i have verified the information. these are straight out bj places. sometimes you have to remind them to do the shampoo.

“… the barber shops (with potted palms out front) on dien bien phu from the canal to the traffic circle intersection with soviet nghe tinh have certain services available for 60k vnd (one place tries to charge 100k) plus 60k-100k to service provider (after services rendered). level of service depends on the provider and your vn lang. skills. most consistent quality of service is ben my (green/yellow sign) near canal. the providers are sometimes interested in meeting clients for after-hours (closing is 10:30pm to midnight) entertainment. attractiveness is variable. take a long slow walk and you should be able to find someone you like lounging out front. don't let them hand you off to someone else.”

a cyclo or honda driver can help you find a similar place, but they will probably extract a commission, which will drive your price up. here are the key words, with phonetic, american pronunciation. tell your driver you want goy dow (shampoo) and massa maht (facial massage) voy guy dep (with a pretty girl). he’ll get the picture.

daytime dates
many girls will be eager to spend the day with you for free. it’s a date! here are some places to go for a relaxed outing.

dam sen park
this is a big, sprawling park in district 11, a 20 or 30-minute taxi ride from the heart of town. it has a zoo, many nice walking paths, an elevated perimeter train, outdoor cafes, and many other exhibits and attractions. this is a favorite place for taking posed wedding pictures. on any given day you will probably see three or four brides in flowing white gowns, together with photographers and entourages.

water park
a big theme park about 15 minutes north of saigon in the area known as thu duc. this place is a lot like its american and european cousins: water slides, raft rides, etc. it’s a good place to play, or just stroll around. there are several secluded seating areas under thatched shade canopies where you can usually find some privacy.

vung tau
this is an easy day trip or overnight from saigon. the high speed hydrofoil boat makes the trip down river to this beach town in about 1h 20m at a cost of about $10. there are several departures each day from the river docks at the end of ham nghi and dong khoi streets. once in vung tau, you can take a taxi or honda to any of the four beach districts. beach vendors will rent you a canvas lounge chair and an umbrella dirt cheap, and others will pass by to sell live crab and shellfish, which they will cheerfully steam up for you beside your table. some bread, some beer, oh yeah!

cyclos
i advise avoiding riding cyclos after dark until you are very familiar with the city and the culture. the risk of being ripped off or rolled, while still quite low, has risen markedly over the last couple of years. plus, many/most of the younger drivers are obnoxious pimps who are very aggressive at trying to take you to a bar or massage place where they have special ties. also, they will extract a commission from any bar they take you to (taxi’s won’t), limiting your chances of bargaining down the prices inside. you will have no trouble linking up with ladies by taking taxis to the places i have listed. nevertheless, cyclos are fun, and i recommend you try one during the day. pay no more than 10,000-vnd for a 5-15 minute ride. the locals would pay less than 5,000 for the same thing. rates for a two or three hour tour are negotiable. unless you speak pretty fair vietnamese, i suggest you let your hotel negotiate a price so that it is fair, and even more important, understood by both parties.

money
if you like to carry cash, i strongly recommend new-issue $100-bills. these are readily changeable in the hotels. also a supply of $10s and $20s is helpful, but not required, when paying mini-hotels. old-series, dirty, or damaged bills are often not changeable. i don’t have any personal experience with traveler’s checks, but they seem to be in common use, at least in the hotels. i wouldn’t count on having them accepted in most restaurants or bars.

atms:
there are two atm machines that accept western atm cards and dispense cash. at the present, they dispense only vietnamese dong. the vietnam banks impose no surcharge for this service. the exchange rate is the international settlement rate, so about as good as you can get anywhere. atm’s are available at

new hong kong bank
cach mang thang tam street
adjacent to the new world hotel
saigon

new hong kong bank
opposite the catholic church at the end of dong khoi sreet
open 24 hours

anz bank
at the foot (river end) of hai ba trung street
saigon

the current exchange rate is just under 14,000-vnd for $us-1.00. ergo,
$100 = vnd-1,500,000
vnd-10,000 = $0.67

appointments with a lady
while it is common to pick up a girl at a bar or disco and go from there to a short time hotel, there is another alternative. if you like afternoon delights, you can easily make an appointment for the following day. the problem is making absolutely sure, given the language problems, that you both know the time and place.

here’s my solution. go to one of the mini hotels and pick up some of their business cards. at the same time, tell the desk clerk that you would like to come back a day or two later with your girl friend, just to be sure there is no embarrassing problem at the time of check in. then, when you meet a girl with whom you want to make an appointment, give her the hotel’s card, and write the appointment time on it. wait for her in the lobby and make another quick contact with the desk clerk. this is a sure-fire approach that has never failed me. it also puts the whole affair on more of a girl friend basis, which everyone will appreciate: the girl, the hotel, and you. one caveat: don’t take any other girls to the same hotel. the girls will be told, and the whole girl friend illusion will evaporate.

miscellaneous tips
dutch treat (not!). it is quite possible to forge a quick friendship with a variety of vietnamese guys, anyone from a business associate, to a sales clerk, to a waiter, or even a taxi driver. vietnamese are very friendly people. true, some are out to rip you off, but others will truly enjoy and be mesmerized by your company. they can steer you to a lot of places that foreigners don’t often go. but beware: if you suggest going somewhere for food, drink, or entertainment, you will be expected to pick up the bill for everyone you go with. the reverse is also true. if an associate invites you to go somewhere (don’t confuse this with a mere suggestion or a tout’s sales pitch. you have to judge his intent and his ability to pay), he will expect to pick up your bill. there is no such thing as a dutch treat. you will insult your friends if you try to split the bill.

now, for my usual disclaimer. if you're simply looking for sex, there are lots of cheaper and easier places to find it than vietnam. but if you are in vietnam on business, or for a wider range of tourist pursuits, there is no reason to be lonely. vietnamese ladies are something special. for many of us, they are the most beautiful, loving, and erotic girls in the world. good luck!

[Mojoke]

Great post Asian Rain,

This will be very helpful with my trip.

You have my thanks sir.

Dunno if you'll be there when I arrive but I owe you a beer.

[Paul76]

thank you so much co van my

Your post it is the best about saigon nightlife I do not know if you live in saigon but I would like to offer to you a couple of beers.

From Europe

Paulo

[Goderos]

CVM and AR,

Thank you for your post. Heading to HCMC on the 12th for the first time. Looking forward to meeting the motogirls. Anyone with suggestions on where to meet local girls? Prefer local hangouts that dont mind foreigners. Have seen a few mentioned in the previous post. Just wanted an update. Please PM if you prefer. Also anyone there at that time and like to meet up, pm me. Thanks in advance.

Regards.

[Hipoi]

Well I live in VIetnam right now and tried quite a lot Massage parlors but would like to know if you guys know some nice ?

Here is a small list of nice Massage Place :

-Vien Dong Hotel : opens 24/24 nice rooms, so many girls working so the quality depend on the girl, price : 100.000 VND and tip is up to you

-Bong Sen Massage : right in the center, nice selection of girls but a little bit more expensive

- Tay Nguyen on Nguyen Trai : Nice massage mainly for VIetnamese and chinese 150.000 VND for 2 hrs and nice and funny girls

[Fun Sex]

Guys,

Here we go. This is the report that I promised you guys last week. This is going to be a long detail one. I will try to keep it simple, and you need to pay attention.

First:

LIQUID CLUB
104 Hai Ba Trung, District 1
Tel: 822-5478

This place is just a normal club like any other clubs that we go to in the US. Well, that how it looks. There are more to it. If you need to find a girl, there are 2 ways to do it. The first way is for anyone who can speak Vietnamese fluently. You can sit in there, and you can actually spot several girls that you think they might be the girl for tonight. However, it's a trial and error kinda thing. You can approach and talk to them. What you want to do is to start a normal conversation and of course later you ask if they want to go out "over night" with you. Now, if you can't carry the conversation and ask them that question. Man, I don't know how I can help you, you "rookie". The second way is a lot easier and a lot safer. This is how I started, and when I know the place a little bit. I can spotted the "girls". I usually came and talked to the girls myself after the first time I was there. Let's get back to the second way. There are waiters in white shirts, and there are security in black shirts. And, also there are guys in black shirts who go around and help you to call the waiters (the waiters are extremely busy). These guys are very close to what we called "busboy". However, they are not. These guys can help you to find the best girls for your money. You can ask them if they can find you a girl to go out with you tonight. By saying all of that, it's 100% legal. DO NOT mention anything about "SEX". They know exactly what you want to do. Tip him 200,000 Dong (approximately $12 or so). You tip this guys when you let the girl go in the morning. You give the money to the girl in the morning and ask her to give it to that pimp; unless otherwise negotiated. You will need to pay the girl 1,000,000 Dong (approximately $75/night). This is a little bit more expensive, but this is what I do all the time. It's safe, and the girls are PRETTY. Here is a trick about timing. Let's say that you want to leave the place at 11:30pm, then tell those guys to get the girls there by 11:00 or latest is 11:15. The girls are usually late. BTW, if you haven't noticed, the girls that they call for you are from outsite the club. DONE number 1.

Second:

OXY CENTER
88 Tran Huy Lieu
Ward 15, Phu Nhuan District
Tel: 997-3751

This is a bar. All they do in there is drink, drink and drink some more. It's kinda fun. There are girls will come to your table and stand there with you. You can hug and probably you can do more than that, and it depends on the girl herself. Now, this place is also a great place to find girls. Well, here is the warning. NOT all the girls are *****s in there. Be careful with what you do to those girls. Some of them let you touch their breasts, some of them don't. So, find a table in a corner somewhere. Now, the question is "how do we find a girl for the night?". Well, it's easier to find girls in this bar. There are 3 ways. One, you can talk to the girls if they want to go out with you. If not, ask them if they know any girls. Two, you can ask the waiters. The process is similar to the one from Liquid Club. Three, there are girls sitting by themseves in the bar. 99% they are *****s, and if they are not, they are Mamasan. I asked a girl one time, and it turned out that she is mamasan. Well, those mamasan looks really good too. About the price, you pay the girl 1,000,000 Dong (~ $75/night). And tip the one who find that girl for you 200,000 Dong (~$12). DO NOT pay more than what I just mentioned, except mamasan. She might want 300,000 (I gave her 300,000). DO NOT pay her more than that. Well, it's up to you. DONE Number 2.

Third: (This is the winner)

SHERATON SAIGON HOTEL
88 Dong Khoi Str., District 1
Tel: 827-2828

This is not a cheap place. Everything cost just a little bit cheaper than in the US, about 15% cheaper. I just want to tell you this so you have a general idea. The girls are not cheap either. This place is considered a "high class" club. Oh, I forgot. Their club is on 23rd floor of Sheraton Hotel. Anyway, I like this club a lot. The girls are up another level. They can dance, drink, and more importantly they are WILD. Some of them wear mini skirts, damn... I just want to lick those legs all night. Anyhow, how the hell can you find a girl? Well, again. Ask the waiter. This trick works like a charm for me. There is one girl named "Hang". Ask if the waiters know her. I picked her up on the dance floor. We negotiated within 30 seconds on the dance floor for 1,500,000 Dong/night. She asked for 2,000,000 Dong/night. I countered and got to 1,500,000 (approximate $100). She worth every penny. She is wild and full of engery. She sucked me dry. Got the picture guys? She wouldn't let me sleep. This is the girl. I remember one time I fell asleep, don't remember how long. But, she woke me up by sucking my dick and TUMA. One thing about her, she do BBBJTCWS, but NO anal. DONE Number 3.

Well, that's all. I stayed in Saigon (HCM City) only. Some of you guys asked me about Ha Noi. Well, sorry I didn't go out there this trip. However, I can tell you this. Ha Noi is even better for our hobbies. Very easy to pick up a girl out there.

Good Luck all,

FS

[Flyhere]

VietSingles and VietFun. You get 3 free responses per day and if you join $9.99 (gold) you get 50.

Many girls give up there number quickly and some have them readily available for Gold Members.

They have written directly to my email address and have sent add'l pics. So it looks for real.

PM me and maybe we'll meet up, may be there when you around.

Cheers!

Congrats if you had some successes. I have a feeling that there are quite a few gay guys frequent the VietFun chat rooms.

Has anyone tried Adult Friend Finder?

[Goderos]

Thanks for the report. That was some good tips and info. I have some question. Are those prices in USD. Isn't $75 usd a hell of a lot of money in Vietnam. :-D
There must be better and cheaper alternatives even if you dont speak Vietnamese. Hopefully I'll find it before or when I get there soon. I appreciate your post and may have to resort to paying those inflated prices.

[Artisto Art]

Bustling city, friendly people with basic English spoken, more than I had imagined.

I'll cut to the chase re: girl fun. It's here gentlemen, just unlike the ubiquitous BK or PTTY. Ranging from the average bar to the upscale places where you pay to talk with girl before deciding. An example was Catwalk, where they had great looking girls dressed in sexy, colorful gowns but their poor attitude seemed contagious ... Homey don't play that game.

Plenty of areas with Moped girls, either independent or with mama/papasan driving, acting as negoiator. It'll happen in most places after 9 pm just by standing on street corner, certain areas much more than others. they'll pull up to you and try to strike a deal.

Overall look of girls are pretty, but when Surfer and I ventured outside Saigon into smaller provinces, we noticed better looking girls.

Will report more later!

Cheers!

[Fun Sex]

Goderos,

Yes, $75 is A LOT of money in Saigon. That can feed you for a week (or at least 3 days). And of course, everything depends on where you go and what you want.

And yes, there are other places that are much cheaper. However, $75 for the whole night + SAFE with the girl, I would do it. As you see, I had fun.

Keep in mind guys, you will get what you pay for. Again, there are other places are cheaper. If you guys find any, please share with us.

Peace out,

FS

[Shiofuki]

Looking forward to going back to SGN in 2006. My last trip I enjoyed a bit of time in U2, well, a couple of times. First was a little thing about 4'9" or so, got BBBJTC in back for I think it was 300K, I know I overpaid, but it was an outstanding effort on her part. Second time was a couple nights later, their ST room is next door and upstairs. I forget what I paid, but it wasn't as good as the first night there.

[Silly Puppy]

Fun Sex,

It is ok to pay these girls $75 if you think it is worth the money. I have couple friends who go to China with me on many trips. One guy always bargains hard even it takes 1 hour to drop just $1 on a $20 item. The other guy (typical American) bargains very little and normally pays about $30 for the same one. I spend just about the same amount of time like the 2nd guy and get what I want; ie $20 for the item. I think you are the 2nd guy I mention above.

So these ho's just know who we are and will (or will not) adjust the price accordingly. There are many ways to get 3 X better good looking girls than the girls in Sheraton with a lot less money. However, they are a little complex and require you to speak and know Viet a little more; you must belong to a circle of Viet sex-loving friends, as an example.

[El Frances]

Sorry fun sex, i don't mean to be insulting, but I would not recommand unexperienced readers to follow your example.

First, what's the use of asking a waiter for a girl? At least 90 percent of these girls are working girls. The only result may be that the girl will pay a commission to him and will overcharge you accordingly.
Second, you were fully overcharged by this girl, compared to the usual sheraton price. These girls are not another level at all as you wrote. They are the same girls who used to go to Apocalypse. They just changed their clothes and now wear long dresses. I always get them for 50 dollars (about 800 000), and believe me, I never take the less beautifull ones. Anyway, the real beautifull ones are usually not in this place.

[Crypton]

Bustling city, friendly people with basic English spoken, more than I had imagined.

I'll cut to the chase re: girl fun. It's here gentlemen, just unlike the ubiquitous BK or PTTY. Ranging from the average bar to the upscale places where you pay to talk with girl before deciding. An example was Catwalk, where they had great looking girls dressed in sexy, colorful gowns but their poor attitude seemed contagious ... Homey don't play that game.

Plenty of areas with Moped girls, either independent or with mama/papasan driving, acting as negoiator. It'll happen in most places after 9 pm just by standing on street corner, certain areas much more than others. they'll pull up to you and try to strike a deal.

Overall look of girls are pretty, but when Surfer and I ventured outside Saigon into smaller provinces, we noticed better looking girls.

Will report more later!

Cheers!

Hey "Aristo Art"

Hope your trip is going well. Keep posting, buddy. Sorry I did not get to call you before you left as planned. Just got real busy. Take care.

Crypton

[Silly Puppy]

Such as Catwalk, Apocalypse now, Sheraton, etc.

to teach these ho's a lesson in "unfair" practice :) Let the dumbs and the dumbers pay the rediculously high price for these ho's. Supply and demand principle rules! After couple months these ho's will automatically drop their price that even a cyclo driver can afford :D

[OldAsiaHand]

I was in HCMC for 3 nights. Nothing really extraordinary to report. I was very busy during the days and a bit tired and lazy in the evenings. Staying at the Caravelle, my usual sources produced poor results. There was not much doable in the park nearby and the mama's stock as you walk right out of the hotel was 4-5 at best.

Around the corner on Hai Ba Trung, I popped into 49 and 51 for a look. Took one girl directly upstairs for a BBBJ. She asked for $40, and we agreed at $20. She did me on the pool table which was an interesting experience.

I went back again on Night #2 and took one out for ST. She insisted on the $50, but did stay over 2 hours and I had 2 pops. Service was pretty good.
BTW, I never have any trouble taking girls into the Caravelle.

On the last night, I just went to Hong Sen for a massage/HJ. They have remodelled the place and are offering 20% discounts. $6 for massage, $10 for HJ.

OAH

[El Frances]

Well, I only partly agree with you, James. Different places have different prices and may correspond to different services. Having fun dancing and talking with a girl in Apocalypse or Sheraton before fucking is worth a price difference, compared to a girl you pick up in the street and only quickly fuck.
The problem is first to pay the right price for each place and service. Paying 50 dollars in the street is overpaying, but is not in Apocalypse or Sheraton. Paying more than 50 dollars in Apocalypse or Sheraton is overpaying. Secondly,the question is if the girl worth the price. Personaly, I would not give 50 dollars to most of the girls in these places. In fact I would not fuck them even for 20 dollars, but I guess other people have other taste.

[Fw190]

Old Asia Hand:

Two months ago, I went to Saigon for the first time and got a massage and HJ at the Bong Sen Hotel. They quoted me $12 for a massage, double what you paid. No mention of any discounts -- I wonder if they quote different prices depending on whether you're an Old Asia Hand or not. I definitely came across as a Newbie. And I know, the fact that I later paid another $50 for a HJ in the booth means I was taken. But I didn't know any better; after all, there isn't any schedule of standard rates! But know I know better and will be more suspicious next time. Still.....if old hands like yourself, James Tran, or the others can "post" what should be the standard rates, then maybe there will be some kind of general consensus that ISG readers can go by. Otherwise, the Newbies will continually overpay and drive expectations up. Just a suggestion.




On the last night, I just went to Hong Sen for a massage/HJ. They have remodelled the place and are offering 20% discounts. $6 for massage, $10 for HJ.

OAH

[Goderos]

OMHO, I think it is really important that board member and users try to stick to the lower prices quoted on the board. As mongers we want to continue to enjoy their services and get good value. There is nothing wrong with overpaying, esp. if you do not know better. But if you find the information here usefull and are using it, I feel it is respectful that you pay the same as the reviewer. Or else I would hesitate to do a fr and have to pay more down the road because someone else thought he be a nice guy a leave a big tip.

I may get flames for this comment, but I stick with what I am saying. I think the locals pay a lot less than what I am seeing on this thread. Correct me if I am wrong.

Thanks.

BTW, OAH is a very skilled negotiator. His prices are probably in line with what a foreigner would have to pay.

[Surfer]

For upscale the place to go is Amara in District 3 (323 Le Van Sy Street); Closes at 11 and girls show up between 6 & 7. $70 for onsite including nice room but better bet is to negotiate meeting after closing time at your Hotel.
The bitchers (no other word for it) at Catwalk have the worst attitudes I have ever encountered (outside the US that is). Apocolypse is SO over (my friend who lives there said it was great 2 years ago); more guys than girls, lots of tourist couples who read about it in the Lonely Planet and VERY few doable girls.

Buy a plane ticket to PP if you want cute VN girls at a reasonable price. The quality is just about as good. VN is the ONLY country where you pay more at the source than you would in another country. VERY bizarre.

[Co Van My]

For upscale the place to go is Amara in District 3 (323 Le Van Sy Street); ...Glad you found this place because it sounds from your other reports that you have been rather bummed out in Vietnam. The club behind the Amara used to be called Medusa. Is it still? While pricey, it has the best lineup I have seen in the foreigner-friendly parts of Saigon.

In Hanoi, a similar and cheaper venue is the dance club inside the Hanoi Hotel.

On balance, I think I find myself far happier in Vietnam than you seem to have been. You voice common complaints about ApocN and Catwalk. It's not everybody's cup of tea. Not mine either.

Viet kieu girls have the advantage of better diet, dental care, and cosmetics, which are priced beyond the budget of Vietnamese P4P girls. But past that, one either enjoys the culture and the ambiance, or one doesn't. If its easy and cheap sex that one wants, there is no question that Vietnam is the wrong place to look. Cambodia and Thailand fill that bill very nicely.

I, however, am hooked on the Vietnamese in Vietnam. If better health care was available, and if I had a pied-a-terre in Thailand, Singapore, or the U.S., I could easily find myself living there.

I hope Surfer's trip lasts long enough to find some of the pleasures that keep the rest of us coming back.

[Surfer]

the only other country that compares, IMHO, is Japan. VERY exotic and I did NOT mean to sound negative about VN as a destination. Now that I have found a GF for the trip, won't be going out much more. I am taking her to Phu Quoc tomorrow.

YMMV always applies, of course, and asian guys who prefer tall and White will like the high end places. But I personally prefer the small brown types that are MUCH more prevalent in Indonesia & the PI. I also believe the Vietnamese are the biggest histlers (along with the Chinese) I have ever experienced. So ironic that a supposedly communist country could be composed of such materialistic people. I think Vietnam will be reasonably wealthy in a few years, unlike Cambodia, Indonesia and the PI. That being said, I prefer the girls in those countries who seem to think in terms other than how to make a dong.

[Hermescali]

Apocolypse is SO over (my friend who lives there said it was great 2 years ago); more guys than girls, lots of tourist couples who read about it in the Lonely Planet and VERY few doable girls.Surfer,

Apocalypse now was great in the early nineties, when it was in its second location. You could filter cigerettes there even you might smoke

[Co Van My]

Glad to know things are better than I inferred. The countryside girls seem to meet your criteria of looks and attitude better than the city girls.

How about your GF trip to Phu Quoc? I've never traveled in Vietnam with a working girl, and I'm interested to know the hurdles you faced.

I have made a few extended trips with a matronly Hi-So type, but we were scrupulously conservative, renting two rooms and publicly behaving ourselves, although we did sneak into each others rooms on occasion.

[Surfer]

At about midnight the night before we were to leave, I woke up to the smell of smoke in the room. We had a deal that she would ONLY smoke in the toilet, NOT in the bedroom. This was the third breach of that agreement and I berated her so badly she upped and left (having lost face). Accordingly, I went to Phu Quoc alone (though I did get a hand release ON THE BEACH from one of the massage ladies but I needed to close my eyes and pretend it was Cam Ly to get off) LOL!


INCREDIBLE place to bring a girl and I am ZERO doubt there would have been no difficulties. I've done that for YEARS in MANY countries, and while VN is somewhat different we deported ourselves much more like husband and wife than client and Bia Om girl.

Hermescali: You, as usual, got theere at the right time then as i HATED Apocolypse (though the smokiness was a big part of my aversion, I admit). I feel the same way about most nightclubs in Europe though (too smoky). God Bless California's ABSOLUTE PROHIBITION on smoking in ANY enclosure except a private residence or hotel room. To breath fresh air again softens the sting of returning to America the Repressed!

PS Met a GREAT couple from Wien in Phu Quoc and hope to visit them in 2006 which is "Mozart Year". Be nice if you could come up too and we could make a road trip to Bratislava for some action. Tschuss.

[Edinburgh]

Will be in HCM mid Jan.

Looking for GF hotel in city centre.

Can anyone help?

Many thank's

[OldAsiaHand]

Fw190,

I have never been to the Bong Sen massage so I don't know the deal. I used to pay only $5 for the HJ when I first went to the Hong Sen in 1990, but the girls asked for $20 even in those days. The massage was $5, as well. The Floating Hotel basement bar was $50 ST. Strange that prices have not changed much over the years. Having said that, I remember a bar owned by a Brit and his Vietnamese wife near where the Monkey Bar is now where FS ST was $5 and the mini-hotel room next door was $10 ST in the old days.

Morale of the story is that you need to negotiate, especially in Vietnam.

Happy Hunting.

OAH

P.S. Goderos, I have never seen local mongers in any of the massage/HJ joints in District 1. They tend to patronize other areas where prices are much lower.

[Goderos]

OAH,

I would love to find the local action. Not much into the tourist P4P industry. I prefer the local experiences when I travel. Wonder how I'll find it? Well we'll see how I fare when I arrive there. My first trip will be short only about 7-10 days. Hopefully my lack of the local language wont be too much of a problem. And my mongering sense will lead me the way. Anyone willing to share or meet me, can PM me. Thanks.

[Horn Dog 2]

Will be in HCM mid Jan.

Looking for GF hotel in city centre.

Can anyone help?

Many thank'sAsk them if you allow to bring girlfriend before you register.

[Patterson]

I will be going to HCM in 6 weeks.

I haven't been for 4 years.

Last time thought it was crap along with Na Thrang! (Sorry about spelling)

There was a club called Appocalipse & that was about it as it picked up in the last 4 years.

Thanx

[Asia Rocks]

I will be going to HCM in 6 weeks.


I haven't been for 4 years.

Last time thought it was crap along with Na Thrang! (Sorry about spelling)

There was a club called Appocalipse & that was about it as it picked up in the last 4 years.

Thanx

Patterson,

I have not been to Apocalypse, but it is still there. There are a number of hostess bars along Hai Ba Trung St. where you can find Vietnamese take-out or, depending on the bar, you can do the deed in a back (or upstairs) room. The girls will want $50 and will test your negotiating skills more than in the past. There is lots of info here on getting girls into the hotels. You might want to read up on that before your trip.

Cheers, AR

[Patterson]

AR

Thanks for reply.

Last time in HCM there were a few bars one was like a cowboy saloon type bar is that Hai Ba Trung St with one on the corner with some real nice classy girls in!

But as i say it was years back the last time I was there.

[Dunderhead]

Writing this from HCMC where mongering has been low on the agenda for once. Best tip that I've seen is stood right outside the gateway to the Omni saigon Hotel, where I negotiated a US$20 FS deal, but sadly went off to malligans Pub to mull it over. The girls are apparently next door to the hotel, and you have a choice. Shame the pissed Vietnam Airlines (South African) pilot kept me talking for so long in the bar. Next time...

[Surfer]

More guys than girls, many tourist couples, the girls which are on the program are mostly very marginal looking. The Haa Ba Trung bars are WAY better. For those looking for action in that area, U2 (near corner of Mac Thi Buoy) is probably the best bet.

[Autumn Lover]

Does anybody know if a hj (or more) is available with massage in the Sheraton? Staying there soon, but time limited and accompanying people.

AL

[Asia Rocks]

AR

Thanks for reply.

Last time in HCM there were a few bars one was like a cowboy saloon type bar is that Hai Ba Trung St with one on the corner with some real nice classy girls in!

But as i say it was years back the last time I was there.

Surfer is right, U2 is good and a right turn off Hai Ba Trung if you are walking away from the Caravelle Hotel toward the river on the right side of the street. I have done the upstairs room, a scary experience in the sense that I thought we might end up going through the floorboards, but the last time I was there I was told it was "being renovated" which is a good thing. Before you get to that right turn there are two bars at No. 49 and 51 where I have also had good experience.

I would recommend spending a little time assessing personality, a drink for her and a little touchy-feely time. Some of these women are real sweethearts and some are real bitches. I think, in general, the newer they are to the game the better.

[One Wing Low]

A friend of mine just returned from Vietnam.

He took an offer from a good-looking moto girl one night. Instead of taking him to a mini hotel nearby, she took him into a dark alley where he was jumped by 4 guys. He was a big, tall guy, but they beat the shit out of him with bats. She just zoomed off in her moto, pretending she was a victim too.

One guy pulled a knife and gestured my friend to hand everything over. He had to hand over his wallet and a digital camera. The guy held a knife to his throat and searched all his pockets. Finally they all ran away. Everything happened very quickly and very quietly.

He got a couple big bruises in his stomach and his arms but no open wound. He was too embarassed to call in the police or report the crime to the US Counselate. He definitely does not want his wife and kids to find out that he went mongering. Nothing the local cops could do anyway since the thugs just disappeared into the slum. They probably set up their ambush again, the same night, somewhere else.

Lucky he had his passport and air tickets locked up in the hotel. His stolen CC were used for purchases of jewelry and other expensive items. Many attempts were made to withdraw cash. He had one hell of a hard time calling credit card companies to cancel. His trip was trashed without the CC. He told his wife his wallet was lifted. This guy was pretty shaken up and will stop mongering for a while.

When in a third-world country, it may be wise not going anywhere with a stranger at night, even in daytime. Know exactly where you are going and take a taxi. That's the safe way to go.

[Goderos]

owl - wow sorry to hear about your friend. that is horrible. i would not recommend hcmc for mongering. imho, it's horrible. will post report soon.
it is good if you are here and want to have a GF. that's the best way to go here. find a goog girl early and keep her for the duration of your trip. just my two cents. i will post something more about this later......

[Love Asian Girl]

Hi,

Acc to my experience abroad I can recommend the following:

a) Take always 2 wallets with you - a special oine for mongering activities!

b) Leave almost everything at the hotel, in the room safe or central safe. I've never had any problems with safes, even when I've forgotten something there and the next guest was already in the room...... (the security guide has to wake him up, was unconfortable for me, but all of us has survived..)

c) Put in your mongering wallet only as much as you think you need, including small money and change. There is no change back from your sweetheart, if you give her e.g. 50 USD and expect to get 20 back no way! (she will tell you you are the man of her dreams and should support her, tip her or whatever

d) Never let a girl to bring you somewhere in a place you don't know. I've made this mistake several time and regret it always. Insist on action at your hotel. Also don't trust the guys telling you they will bring you to a young lady. I've learned to answer: Bring the girl to me, I'll tip you 10 USD.

e) In a country like Vietnam I'll try to find an English speaking guy, pay him something (in Uzbekistan I've paid 20 USD/day + 10 USD for him for half an hour fucking one of the girls, he was so nice...) and let him assist you

f) Taxi is good as long as there is a minimum of communication with the driver. My eperience with the drivers, don't trust them too much, they don't put you really into danger, but often the results of their doing were not satisfying.

I know these are simple ideas but they were very effective since I use them.

Fuck best

LAG


A friend of mine just returned from Vietnam.
.............................

[White Settler]

Hello to all my fellow Bro's, First posting on this site so bear with me. I've RTFF'd but could be prone to the odd schoolboy error. Anyway, on with the post.

In HCMC at the moment on business with mongering on my mind. I've mongered in quite a few countries and read a lot of the posts here so was looking forward to the experience. With business clients so had to watch my p's and q's. Intial outlook was that still plenty of bars (U2, 49 etc) with plenty of decent looking girls. A bit in your face and low market but readily available. On a brief moment of escape went into 49 but not a lot of choice so drank up after a game of pool and a few gropes and went to U2. Better selection there and ended up with a BBBJ/CIM for $30. Probably overpriced but was with a Malay colleague who had already sealed a deal with another girl so it was impossible to negotiate lower. All in all not a bad experience but by far not the best I've had.

My preference is a bit more upmarket from these bars so tried Cafe Royale. More of a hostess bar but some good girls. Was with clients at the time so didn't negotiate but it was obviously there for the taking. Got a couple of days left so plan to try out massage/HJ/FS and will post but from reading previous posts will avoid motogirls. Advice there would be "would you go up a dark alley with a complete stranger in your home town?". Think not so common sense should always be in abundance.

Hope this helps and plan to post regulary on my travels. Singapore, Philippines and Bangladesh are up next.

[One Wing Low]

In communist Vietnam, undercover cops are everywhere, monitoring everyone, especially foreigners.

Another friend, a Vietkieu, picked up a girl one night in Pham ngu lao, the back packers area, for US$50. She took him to a mini hotel nearby. He paid $10 and went in the ST room. They both took off their clothes when there were loud bangs on the door. The hotel manager quickly opened the door and let in the cops, who were raiding suspicious prostitution activities.

The cops checked his papers, wallet and belonging carefully for drugs and political materials. They gave him a stern lecture on how they would not tolerate any Western decadence, and that by laws, they could have locked him up for 5 days for interrogation etc...They took down his name and made a copy of his passport. The girl just slipped right out the door.

When they left, he found out that all his cash, about US$500, was missing from his wallet. The hotel manager apologized profusedly, but there was nothing he could do, since he did not rent a safe for his personal valuables. There was no police report of the raid. He could not take down the name of any of the cops as he was roughed up and felt threatened. They weren't wearing any badges. He felt he might have been set up.

The pics he showed me of the Vietnamese girls make them look very similar to Thai girls with underdeveloped bodies, darker skin, small frame, short legs, small boobs, round face, straight dark hair, slanted eyes, wider nostrils... They don't look that good to risk assaults, robberies and LE entrapment, especially when their prices are similar or even higher than Thailand. Most of these girls look worse than the SW's in TJ who could be had for $20 ST. Some of these girls even look FUGLY.

WTF. Why did he have to go such long distance and pay that much money, risking a lot to fuck these ugly girls? Why didn't he just go to Thailand where prostitution are open and legal, and he could select from thousands girls, some very good looking in Patpong and Sukkhumvit? Sometimes he has to be there to attend to family affairs, so he has no choice.

You are right. Fucking Vietnam is a place with a lot of bull shit and drama, and not exactly a place I want to go mongering.


owl - wow sorry to hear about your friend. that is horrible. i would not recommend hcmc for mongering. imho, it's horrible. will post report soon.
it is good if you are here and want to have a GF. that's the best way to go here. find a goog girl early and keep her for the duration of your trip. just my two cents. i will post something more about this later......

[El Frances]

Well, that's the way it is sometime in vietnam and elsewhere. It was many times stated by myself and others that Pham Ngu Lao girls steal, and that girls you pick up in the street steal. In the Pham Ngu Lao girl case, I bet she was in acquaintance with the cops, otherwise they would have put her into prison. Maybe they were not even cops!
Better stick to safer and more expensive places, especially if you are not experienced!

[Horn Dog 2]

Hello to all my fellow Bro's, First posting on this site so bear with me. I've RTFF'd but could be prone to the odd schoolboy error. Anyway, on with the post.

In HCMC at the moment on business with mongering on my mind. I've mongered in quite a few countries and read a lot of the posts here so was looking forward to the experience. With business clients so had to watch my p's and q's. Intial outlook was that still plenty of bars (U2, 49 etc) with plenty of decent looking girls. A bit in your face and low market but readily available. On a brief moment of escape went into 49 but not a lot of choice so drank up after a game of pool and a few gropes and went to U2. Better selection there and ended up with a BBBJ/CIM for $30. Probably overpriced but was with a Malay colleague who had already sealed a deal with another girl so it was impossible to negotiate lower. All in all not a bad experience but by far not the best I've had.

My preference is a bit more upmarket from these bars so tried Cafe Royale. More of a hostess bar but some good girls. Was with clients at the time so didn't negotiate but it was obviously there for the taking. Got a couple of days left so plan to try out massage/HJ/FS and will post but from reading previous posts will avoid motogirls. Advice there would be "would you go up a dark alley with a complete stranger in your home town?". Think not so common sense should always be in abundance.

Hope this helps and plan to post regulary on my travels. Singapore, Philippines and Bangladesh are up next.Good common sense: avoid dark alleys, you never know what could happen. There is a small chance that ANY PLACE a new SP takes you could be a set-up for a ripoff. I had three experience in my life where it could have gotten violent. The first time was when I encountered a SW who took me to a bare apartment. She decided a few minutes into the session (in the living room) that she had enough and walk into the bedroom. Her pimp/boyfriend came out and went into the kitchen. I started swearing and yelling (but was a little freakout inside) when I was putting on my clothes, saying this is fu..ing bullshit. But, decided to leave since I did not want to fight over $60 and he had probably access to a weapon in the kitchen. My life is worth more than $60. The second time was more worse for the SW who took me to a apartment which had people in the living room. After a BJ session, she asked for more money, I gave her $20 which resumed our session. Next thing you know, her pimp comes in the room, starts yelling at her for not charging money for extra time, then throws her out the door, across the hallway into the bathroom where she hit her head. She started crying, I started yelling, swearing and acting mean, telling the bastard she got the extra money. I got out of there no problem but I felt bad for the SP. No woman deserves to be treated like that, he will gets what coming to him one day. The third time was when the SW left my car because she was afraid of my vocal encouragement during the BJ. I guess she thought that I was a crazy, next thing you know me pimp boyfriend is sitting where she was sitting, and he was not there to finish the BJ. He started on me because she ran away screaming, when he produced a small knife, I calmly explained to him that I am sometimes loud during the sessions and she took it wrong. He decide that I drive him around to look for her and when she was not to be found, he escaped on foot. Trust your 6th sense, do not go for it if you feel strange about it. But, sometimes ,shits happens in life.

I was lucky to have my friend's relative drive me around in HCM which includes seeing m.c girls at 200,00 at pop. The locals know where to go and what to do for sightseeing, restaurants and your pooning entertainment-they know the right prices too. ( I feel for these poor backpackers who will be walking in the 30+ degree heat when they should be enjoying a back massage in an air cond room with a slim asian babe who has her hands on your love handles.) Since the palour is used by the locals, the prices are lower and the babes are good as anywhere else.

[One Wing Low]

Hi El Frances,

My friend said these guys all wore Russian pistols, so they were cops. He believed the girl in this case was most likely working with crooked cops.

Scary that undercover cops in Vietnam never feel the need to show their badges. They just assume that the people know they are real heat. I heard there was a string of robberies of jewelry stores in Hanoi last year by a bunch of guys posing as undercover cops.

I read in ISG a few mongers had also complained that they were set up by moto girls around the main market, where moto cops swooped in during the bargaining and extracted heavy bribes before letting them go.

It looks like there are lots of prostitutes everywhere in Vietnam, and the locals can patronize them easily. However, the comrades in Vietnam seems to feel the needs to keep up appearances to foreign visitors, so they have all sorts of stupid laws against tourists bringing girls into hotels etc...They try to project their straight-laced appearances by pretending they never heard of the word FUCK!

Hotel owners stand to lose their licenses and their properties if they violate the laws, so they have to bribe local cops heavily to look the other way.


Well, that's the way it is sometime in vietnam and elsewhere. It was many times stated by myself and others that Pham Ngu Lao girls steal, and that girls you pick up in the street steal. In the Pham Ngu Lao girl case, I bet she was in acquaintance with the cops, otherwise they would have put her into prison. Maybe they were not even cops!
Better stick to safer and more expensive places, especially if you are not experienced!

[La Licker]

Does anyone have any experience at Club Royale? I went there for karoake but it seems there is a lot going on in the bar area from 7pm. What's the deal? Could be interesting.

[Asian Rain]

Am on the ground in HCMC. After the "ugly" incident report by O-W-L, I guess I was destined to follow with the "bad" and the "good."

First, the BAD. Went out to TMK for my usual moto action. I was hopeful that thigs would be great as the city is buzzing with pre-Tet (Lunar New Year) festivity. The flight was crowded coming in and the airport was packed with families welcoming relatives coming from afar. Anyway, took up my usual perch on the bridge... I didn't spot much quality, so I was about to give up when a mama-san pulled up with a smiling cutie on the back. Off to the mini hotel. Got to the mini, paid up and went upstairs - I confirmed that pics/video would be okay. To make a short story even shorter, the girl was undressing as I set up the camera... she went into coverup mode. Once I got a good look at her - she had a horrid giant stretchmark blotch. I would have shagged her, but she refused the video. I packed up and bailed out. Went downstairs and after a lot of bitching managed to get back 50k of my hotel fee... I felt lucky to get that. Too pissed and tired, I packed myself back to the hotel and called it a night. Promised myself never to pick up another girl riding with a mama-san.

Now for the GOOD. Next evening I was hoping for better... and I'm delighted to report that my lunar new year hong bao (red packet, but in this case more like "pink packet") came early. I was headed out to dinner when I spotted this girl waiting at the bus stop across from the Sofitel. I have had spotty luck with these girls, but I walked over anyway and sat down next to her. Average face, but nice sweet smile... something that I always take as a sign of a high-potential candidate. Only English she could manage was "What your name?" I just used sign language to confirm if photo/video okay, and she nodded and smiled. Rushed back up to the hotel (past 9pm, so no chance to get her in to Sofitel), got my party bag and we were off to the mini-hotel near TMK.

This girl was just awesome for a freelancer. She took off her jacket and clothes to reveal an awesome pair of firm tits with light pink nipples. Superb nipple licking, competent bbbj and a tight pink little fcuk box. Did her doggy and mish... the mish was excellent with her tits flying up and down as I banged her box. No rushing at all as she seemed to be enjoying the ride, letting out little grunts as I slammed away. She liked playing with her tits - squeezing them together - as I did my thing. I knew this girl was quality talent, so I went for it... got up into COF position and indicated for her to open her mouth... jerked a thick load of white stuff into her mouth... my first facial with a local Viet girl. Yum yum! We showered up, I dropped VND300k into her pocket (she confirmed that she was a total amateur when she didn't even count it!) and then she looked at me and said "merci." I replied "merci beau coup!" What a sweetie - a wonderful Tet hong bao!

I was buzzed from my first Viet facial and went to the Marine Club Restaurant on Le Thanh Ton for a nice meal to celebrate. Great pizza and seafood with great prices. I recommend the pork fillet with honey sauce, just 95k and comes with chips and baguette. Stopped at the Internet shop across from it to write this report.

A Happy Lunar New Year to the Vietnam boys! The year of the dog is almost here! Woof woof! Will be howling at the moon this year! AR+

[Shiofuki]

I have done the upstairs room, a scary experience in the sense that I thought we might end up going through the floorboards, but the last time I was there I was told it was "being renovated" which is a good thing.

I remember that room from my trip a couple years ago. You could actually see thru the (wide) cracks to below. IIRC, whomever controlled access (you left U2, went outside then were let in thru this door to go upstairs) then basically locked you and your companion in there until done. I think I even heard and felt people walking on the floor below while I was at play.

[Asia Rocks]

I remember that room from my trip a couple years ago. You could actually see thru the (wide) cracks to below. IIRC, whomever controlled access (you left U2, went outside then were let in thru this door to go upstairs) then basically locked you and your companion in there until done. I think I even heard and felt people walking on the floor below while I was at play.

Ahh memories. I had forgotten about the out and in entry, but the openings on the floorboard were even wider than wide cracks. They were gaps! In any event, was there again last week and renovations never happened; shocking!
So, now just a back room off the bar for BJs, but not very private. My "date" said doggie FS was doable there and when I asked about the pool table said "can". I decided to move on and submit this for reference only. Fair number of girls there, maybe 15, many attractive, but no stunners. AR

[Casey2005]

I went into a bar at 51 Hai Ba Trung in Saigon. A girl sat down by me. She said that she wanted to go to a hotel with me. I asked her how much for one hour. She said $50 US. She refused to go any lower. In a country where the average monthly wage is about $100 why does a girl think she can earn half that in one hour? The girl didn’t seem too friendly and made it very apparent she just wanted my money. I could tell that it probably wouldn’t have been a good experience anyway because of her attitude. So I decided to leave. She tried to overcharge me for the drinks I had bought her. She even grabbed me and tried to stop me from leaving until I had paid extra. In what other country would such nonsense happen? I think they finally let me leave because I was bigger than everybody else in the bar and they could tell that I was quite angry. I’ll never return to the bar at 51 Hai Ba Trung again. In this country, people seemed so focused on exploiting foreigners to get a few extra dollars, but fail to consider the long term consequences of their actions. If they didn’t try to overcharge people, people would be more willing to return again and spend more money.

[Ozirob]

Spent a few days in HCMC before going up to DaLat and NhaTrang. Was with my wife and family but still managed to get to a few bars, including Apocolypse and one of the HBT bars around the corner from Carravelle.

Apocolypse clearly had plenty of action with some fairly attractive possibilities. No lack of clear intent eye contact and touching there. In the HBT bar just around the corner found myself with a gorgeous girl named Sun, who was very sweet, no innocent, and very keen to earn some extra 50$ for boom boom. Didn't take out because of family there, but did let my fingers do a lot of walking. She was the most amazing kisser too. My beers 30k dong lady drinks 50k dong. Tip for the kissing and fondling 50k dong.

What i found most interesting was that in spite of being with family, i came away with mobile numbers and email addresses of three hotel receptionists in VN, and also a lovely head waitress at an upmarket chinese restaurant in Singapore! I never asked for one - they just gave them to me quietly!

Even though i understand they identify who has the money pays the bills, its still great for the ego!

Ozirob

[Asia Rocks]

I went into a bar at 51 Hai Ba Trung in Saigon. A girl sat down by me. She said that she wanted to go to a hotel with me. I asked her how much for one hour. She said $50 US. She refused to go any lower. In a country where the average monthly wage is about $100 why does a girl think she can earn half that in one hour? The girl didn’t seem too friendly and made it very apparent she just wanted my money. I could tell that it probably wouldn’t have been a good experience anyway because of her attitude. So I decided to leave. She tried to overcharge me for the drinks I had bought her. She even grabbed me and tried to stop me from leaving until I had paid extra. In what other country would such nonsense happen? I think they finally let me leave because I was bigger than everybody else in the bar and they could tell that I was quite angry. I’ll never return to the bar at 51 Hai Ba Trung again. In this country, people seemed so focused on exploiting foreigners to get a few extra dollars, but fail to consider the long term consequences of their actions. If they didn’t try to overcharge people, people would be more willing to return again and spend more money.

Good instincts, assuming you were new to this as I do. Probably could have changed the girl, but not a bad choice to just move on.

[Wendella]

So what's the deal with this Cafe Royale?

Where is that? Never heard of it.

[Dick Tracy]

CR is a ritzy, high end karaoke at the side of Riverside Renaissance Hotel. There is a bar (Club Latin) open KTV and private rooms. It is claimed all girls working there are at least 1.7 m tall, and there are at least 100-150 fairly attractive ladies each night on call.

Hot spot for business entertaining, particularly the da lao bans from SE Asia.

Although I have never partaken, it seems the girls there are available for take out (I even have some numbers that were pushed in my pocket...) but guess the cost outweighs the product. I am sure from the clienetle that these ladies are expecting USD 100 and up for entertaining.

[Goderos]

Asian Rain ... you were in HCMC? Wish I knew. Would have loved to buy you the beer I promised. You are one hell of a guy. Wish I possess your mongering talent.
Anyways, just a follow up on the last few posts here. I am at an internet cafe and dont have my HCMC info map with me, so my details are a little sketchy.
Several observations: I agree with many of the comments on the reports here. This is not a good mongering city. Certainly not good value. The hot girls are mostly overpriced and the local talent are hard to come by esp. if you dont speak the local language. Maybe its a supply and demand thing. There isnt enough to go around.
Just a note: I checked out 70% of the places mentioned here in the last two years. Because of the lack of new info and so many people reading this board and using the details here. Some of the places were a bust. My best bets were with locals taking me there. NOT moto taxis. Even the expats(some here for 8 years) get gauged for much more money.......................
I rented a motobike and went up the street where mitsubishi dealershipis heading towards the bridge and the zoo on the right hand side. In the few nites and day I drove by. I saw a total of 1 maybe 2 girls that were 8's. One i think I saw a week later and she no longer looked like an 8, maybe a 6.5. The rest were were between 2-6 ages 19-33. Maybe saw 10-15 girls total. There were a few younger looking ones but normally with mama. It is the same girls working the same scene when i was there. Whether I was in Hai Ba Trung, TMK, Pho Gu Lau or Karaoke, It was always the same talent. This is before tet so that should be no excuse to the lack of quantity and quality.
I spent a lot of time and money in HCMC. So I will share only info that is already posted here. No point sharing new info as no one returns the favor. So if you've contributed and want new info message me.
You can get FS ST with room for 150K - 300K vd and BBBJTC for 90-120k vd in hcmc. This is mainly for the local. So expect to pay more if you are a foreigner. I had a tough time with zero vietnamese spoken. The girls are sweet and 3-7's ages 19-26. The higher class girls, the 8's and 9's for $50-100USD. This ones are really hot and good looking. By far and away some of the prettiest girls I saw on my trip. Real stunners not the U2 or 49-51 HBT variety. There are local destinations outside of district one with some nice girls. Many on the 5-8 but prices vary. But HCMC still not a good place for mongering. I ALWAYS had problems with bringing girls to my hotel. I stayed at 5 different hotels of different varieties. ALL gave me problems. Including the ones that are normally girl friendly. Maybe its just my bad luck or just more money hungry cowards. Maybe its my timing, i spose its not normal to bring 2 girls back at 2 am in the morning here. Crap city!. Hope things will change in this city.
There are many sweetheart girls here, but just as many crooked many hungry man and woman. It is corrupt to the core. I will get flamed for such a blanket statement.... :-( But there is truth to it. I wish I could detail more about my experience but this is a public board. So just leave it as my POV.
It is dangerous here esp after midnight. I sometimes love to party all night but finding fewer cities to do it in now. Mind you Vietnam never was a party kinda town. This is certainly NOT a party destinations. Neither is BKK now. Was taken to the lamest after hours place with my date. Sigh!..... HK only good on weekends and only sometimes.... Where can you find a good city to party in ASIA? Have not been to Manila lately... but hears that is declining too.
Anyways, your best bet here is to stay more than a week. Find a girlfriend early and stick with her through your entire trip. Take her with you everywhere you go. Pretty boring stuff but good if you like GFE. Pay her about $100usd per week plus all cost associated for the trip.
If you got a shorter time and can afford it(OK it's not that much for some of you, but you are paying a girl more in one night than half the populations monthly wage) go to the higher destinations not named Apocalypse Now or Sheraton. Did not see one knockout freelancer in the nights I was there.
Maybe it's just me, but most of this girls cant dress, dance or talk well. So i don't think they deserve the big bucks. Same thing can be said in China. I am sure its a process. And they will be better in the future I hope. Sorry I am rambling... . Why cant girls be more like girls and woman more like woman. Ok I am rambling now. Cost usd$50-100 per nite but YMMV. Depends on girls. Sometimes they wont go with you. Sometimes they wont leave you alone.
Or for a quicky, get a local to take you to the fake shampoo stalls. You can even get two girls for a reasonable price. Or the rent a room and a girl place. AKA the truckers stop. Pick a girl you can ask to see if she will go bcak to you hotel. Between 90k VD to 300k vd or less than $18usd........

[Goderos]

rip off alert... just be warned. it will happen to you. the moment you arrive till you leave. there are people who will try to scam you. it will happen often and it will happen everyday you are here. so beware. u think i am exagerating, perhaps. perhaps i am being funny, maybe. But I assure you someone, somowhere will try to rip you off.
First off. there are four girls(one may be a tranny, or at least looks like one) on two motorbike and possibly another male accomplice that circle the Pham Ngo Lau area NIGHTLY. The locals there know who they are and so do the cops. I have seen, met and heard about them. Not making things out. I met a really, really nice brit who had his phone stolen. He already has a GF here and knew about this girls. This was a nice man and was approached by the girls and he already knew the scam girls but he was drunk. So they pick his pocket. And same thing happend to an american guy the nite before and probably another the following nite etc etc.... Everyone here knows about them but nothing is done about it. I was approached by them several times. Grabbing me and touching, unprovoked. They are not alone.
The first time i got scamed was innocent enough. It was the books they sold. I overpaid. I had a local with me from the hotel. but the girl yelled at my guide to tell her not to say anything. so when I asked my guide what a fair price for the book was. she just froze and said nothing. anyways i paid more than double what u hould have. This wasnt the only time i got scamed
Even the police tried to make me pay 10x the normal bribe to him. All because he could. Let's leave it at that. Final note: the locals pay 5000 vd for a moto bike ride. i always pay 5000 vd as well. and will tip him if he was honest and allright. you will be quoted 20000 vd for even the shortest ride. he will take you around the block to m ake it seem like it was further. it happens everyday.....
i know someone that did not know the area, and only needed to go down half a block on the side street to the sheraton. moto taxi took him for a ride and only charged him 30000 vd. how nice.....
i asked a for directions once and was pusposedly shown the opposite direction. walked 15 minuted before i realized i was going in the wrong direction. Not a courtoues move at all.
And the the answer is no i dont think it is fair or right. There should not be two, three, four different rates for locals, vietkieus, foreigners, etc..etc... .

Freeebie action. pretty limited with the local girls. its hard sometimes when you go to bars as there are a lot of working and freelancers. so you never know is they are after the money or not. best bet are the foreigners that are visiting. some are horny and want the same hot action as you. i managed a few. French and Rusians but really wanted the locals. The locals are nervous about going to the hotel rooms. The shame is unbearable.... :-D . I had to make out in Taxis and once in her chauffered driven B'mer. Was a very hot girl. Damn. She wanted it too..... AArrgghhh!!! crap.
My experience with freebie was not that great. They all want to take time and always ask "how long you staying?". Back home it's different, its alway "what do you do?" and "what do you drive/how did you get here?" lol...
And when I did find the freebies, my hotel always refused them! WTF
crap country......
Vietnam, NOT a free country............................................. yet!

it's really too bad. it's a beautful country with some amazing and wonderfull people. some rotten eggs shouldnt change anything. hofefully things will work out for this country. it is ripe with potential. but has no identity and still a mystery for now.

[Goderos]

If I remember correctly. If CR is beside the R... Hotel. Then it has a huge lift and 3or 4 levels. One of whch is the Karoake with the girls. The girls are some of the best I'd seen in Vietnam. But it is very much a Asian Loa Ban hangout. Everything on the high end. Including prices. Not really a place you just drop in and check out by yourself.

[Autumn Lover]

Just spent Lunar New Year in HCM. Incredibly noisy and busy at certain times in certain areas, esp around the main hotels. Most massage joints closed, however. Did manage to find a couple of places, including the Saigon Hotel, near the Sheraton. A previous post mentioned the Bong Sen Hotel, which is also near the Sheraton, but I think it has recently been renovated, and there was no sign of a sauna. There is a non-hotel place opp the Sheraton, but it looks pretty grubby from the outside. My advice for both here and Hanoi would be to stick to hotel saunas, as the independents seem rather poor.

However, my experience was that the girls here give very good hjs. Perhaps it's because FS is not really allowed in many places. Certainly I only had one standard oily tug; the rest all showed some innovation and care, I'm pleased to say!

AL

[Butt Ugly]

Arrived HCM yesterday evening and have not been able to find a bar with take out. Looking for someplace reasonable not to expensive and not a rip off. Any suggestions. BTW, I tried reading the last four pages for HCH and couldn't find good info.

Thanks!

[Ozirob]

Come out the front door of Carravelle, turn right, and then right again into Hai Ba Trung St and i'd be surprised if you don't get pulled into a bar with pooltables and girls that want to play strip pool, go upstairs for a BJ (if not right there at the table), and go out to a mini hotel (or your hotel if not too late in the evening) for some Boom boom.

Girls there from mid afternoon onwards. Can't remember the name but was dragged in around 4pm during a vist to HCMC this recent January. At that time approx 6 girls there with one particularly attractive name "Sun"

Good luck!

[Goderos]

Come out the front door of Carravelle, turn right, and then right again into Hai Ba Trung St and i'd be surprised if you don't get pulled into a bar with pooltables and girls that want to play strip pool, go upstairs for a BJ (if not right there at the table), and go out to a mini hotel (or your hotel if not too late in the evening) for some Boom boom.

Girls there from mid afternoon onwards. Can't remember the name but was dragged in around 4pm during a vist to HCMC this recent January. At that time approx 6 girls there with one particularly attractive name "Sun"

Good luck!


add-on to Ozirob: out Caravelle turn right and you'll see the Hyatt(the new High End hotel) Then on to Hai Ba Trung. Within two to three blocks here are the 49,51's and U2 mentioned in the previous post. It's foreign friendly. Also meaning that they will gauge you if they can. Three blocks down and right there is a good wonton noodle stall. Cheap and nice food. 10k VND(.65 cents) for a bowl. There are hotels around here that are girl friendly.

[Celeste]

Will be in HCM city next month but really have only one free day(and it will be more like an afternoon) to have fun. Can anyone suggest how to make the best of my one chance.

Thanks

[Wanderer2005]

Ok so I have lived in HCMC for 4 months now.

What have I learnt?

Hai Ba Trung and the girly bars.
Ex U2, bar 49, 51 and others
Some very cute girls.

This is the trick. Go in, scan the area quickly, select the girl, talk with her for 5 minutes and GET OUT. Else you will be hounded for drinks, food and chewing gum. I am not kidding when I say hounded, consider this, their sole goal is for you to stay and buy them drinks and divest you of your money.

The women here are the most aggressive I have ever seen. Nothing like philipines or Thailand where they will let you have a drink in peace. I had a friend who was told to have his drink outside the club if he did not plan to talk with a woman.

If you have a good eye, you can zone into a newbie, difficult I must admit, to identify when its dark in the bar. Hahahaha. If you have time in Saigon, tell her to meet you after the bar closes or call you.

Apocalypse

It wasn’t for the music, I would never go there. Too many foreigners, incredibly expensive drinks. The women are pro’s well seasoned and relatively expensive, in the $100 range. But there are many local fish but this takes time, at least 3-4 dates before 1st base. But many many many locals, just smile and move!

Liquid, Volcano, Rainforest and most of the techno VN clubs (8 others)

90% do not speaks English. So hunting is poor, very beautiful fish, non pro available but it takes a while to make progress 3-4 dates. These are regular VN girls looking for rich husbands, foreigners rarely go to these clubs, so u will be an oddity that they will avoid.

Level 21 (Sheraton)

Many seasoned pros, $100 range, live band, very expensive booze, did not like the music or the fish. Not too many locals come here

Royal (casino) + Catwalk

Designed for the Japanese, Koreans and Singaporeans. Very beautiful women but $100+ and up. Like shooting fish in a barrel, so don’t expect a GFE experience, its all business baby!

Saloon 17

Good club, live music is good, very few working girls here but lots of locals, harder to approach because of the club design.

Yang.

Some seasoned working girls, higher class of locals, harder to reach them. More of a yuppy crowd here

TMK road near the bridge

Always available, lots of nice fish. I drive thru this road to go home all the time. $500K. Not too bad and the quality varies from night to night.

Since I live here now, it is easier to hook up with locals. Must admit, the women here can be as much fun as Brasil or Philippines but it takes much more time to get to know them. Many coffee’s and dinners.

So for the short timers, picking is very slim, unless u are unusually lucky. Stick to Hai Ba Trung street and the girly bars. Choose quick and get out, don’t expect GFE status, you will not find any, very business oriented.

Overall for a short timer, Vietnam is not really a good place for mongering like Philippines or Thailand. Too many restrictions and many money hungry people trying to rip you off.

As of the safety, I always travel at night alone, One one major rule. Take your own transport (taxi or moto) and never go where THEY want you to go.

In Vietnam, if you are a foreign mongerer, someone WILL ALWAYS try to rip you off, everyone from the taxi driver to the local side road noodle stall. Ask the price from a local before getting into or buying anything……..

[Justgolfing]

Can anyone verify if the Park Hyatt HCM allows local guests to come to your room?

If you need to sneak them in, how do you do it?

Thank you!

[Sing Viet]

I have been reading the many posts by bros who have visited HCMC. Realised that bros are more interested in price reduction than having good looks and service. Often, i saw the pics posted reflected below average looking gals. Being in HCMC for the past 4 years, i have chosen to pay more to have good looking gals. Isn't it dreadful to bang a gal when you cannot even look at her face? No offense to any bro here.

[Sing Viet]

Come out the front door of Carravelle, turn right, and then right again into Hai Ba Trung St and i'd be surprised if you don't get pulled into a bar with pooltables and girls that want to play strip pool, go upstairs for a BJ (if not right there at the table), and go out to a mini hotel (or your hotel if not too late in the evening) for some Boom boom.

Girls there from mid afternoon onwards. Can't remember the name but was dragged in around 4pm during a vist to HCMC this recent January. At that time approx 6 girls there with one particularly attractive name "Sun"

Good luck!Been there a few times and most of the gals there sucks big time. No looks and no service. If anyone can consider the gals there attractive, you have not seen real Vietnamese beauties yet.

[Member #3409]

Been there a few times and most of the gals there sucks big time. No looks and no service. If anyone can consider the gals there attractive, you have not seen real Vietnamese beauties yet.Mate you must be a hard judge. I've been to a couple of the bars and meet some really nice looking women and had a great time with them. It may be my personal preference but the bars closer to the Caravele have the better looking ladies compared to those closer to the river. Cannot recall the names of the bars though, 49 rings a bell. Last time I went I took a bird out of one place for short time $40USD (yes probably too much) named Bich. She was a stunner about 20. In the cot she was like a firecracker but the moment I finished that was it, shower and back to the bar.

The next night I went next door and meet another girl, cannot recall her name and took her away too. (This bar had a large number of stunners there is one I would have killed to root but she was with another client, she was DDG!) We went to the same short time hotel and I had one of the best roots of my life but this time rather than kicking me out we stayed for a bit longer then went for round 2. Cost again was $40 after an opeing price of $80ST!!! It wasn't rushed, BBBJ (which seems to be the norm in VN, never got a CBJ in VN), DATY, DFK, but sex covered, I wouldn't risk it even if BB was offered.

The first place I ever went to in HCM was called Tiger Twin, it is more or less behind the Ledgend hotel. I was new to town and just looking for a beer and went into this place, was an eye opener. Went upstairs to play pool with a nice looking girl (she looked almost Jap but was full VN). I didn't have much enough money to take the girl away but had $10USD plus some local on me so blow job was suggested by the boss lady for $10. Went up yet another floor were I got BBBJ CIM along with a bit of return DATY and fingering for $10. She was one horny lady, the boss lady came about halfway through to see what was going on, I bet she thought we were having sex. The girl gave me her number for another time but never did call her back.

One thing that I don't like is that most of these bars the girl choose you and come to sit with you before you get to choose who you really want. I find it a bit hard sometimes getting rid of the first girl before she has ordered a drink and then having a look around for the one I really want. Any tips on that, as will be heading back to HCM in 2 months time.

[Whisper1]

One thing that I don't like is that most of these bars the girl choose you and come to sit with you before you get to choose who you really want. I find it a bit hard sometimes getting rid of the first girl before she has ordered a drink and then having a look around for the one I really want. Any tips on that, as will be heading back to HCM in 2 months time.In all of these bars, massage parlors and hair cut salons, the girls go on rotation. So who's ever turn is next, they have first dip at the next customer walking through the door. You can simply tell the girl that you want another. They really have no say if you should choose someone else. The girl you reject will wait for the next customer. If you visit the place frequently and you keep on choosing the same girl for 3 times. The girl doesn't loose her turn in the rotation.

[Ozirob]

One thing that I don't like is that most of these bars the girl choose you and come to sit with you before you get to choose who you really want. I find it a bit hard sometimes getting rid of the first girl before she has ordered a drink and then having a look around for the one I really want. Any tips on that, as will be heading back to HCM in 2 months time.


I've worked out that the better looking girls almost never are the first ones to try and get a drink with you. Early on in my trips, i found it difficult, or felt unkind to say no thanks to the girl. Soon learnt, however, to just stay polite and say no thanks in some nice way fairly quickly. No-one takes offence. and you have a good chance getting someone more special. I reckon that the process of seeing how you deal with knocking back a girl is part of how the better girls decide whether to come to you (or not)

[Sing Viet]

[QUOTE=Jc373]Mate you must be a hard judge. I've been to a couple of the bars and meet some really nice looking women and had a great time with them. It may be my personal preference but the bars closer to the Caravele have the better looking ladies compared to those closer to the river. Cannot recall the names of the bars though, 49 rings a bell. Last time I went I took a bird out of one place for short time $40USD (yes probably too much) named Bich. She was a stunner about 20. In the cot she was like a firecracker but the moment I finished that was it, shower and back to the bar.

The next night I went next door and meet another girl, cannot recall her name and took her away too. (This bar had a large number of stunners there is one I would have killed to root but she was with another client, she was DDG!) We went to the same short time hotel and I had one of the best roots of my life but this time rather than kicking me out we stayed for a bit longer then went for round 2. Cost again was $40 after an opeing price of $80ST!!! It wasn't rushed, BBBJ (which seems to be the norm in VN, never got a CBJ in VN), DATY, DFK, but sex covered, I wouldn't risk it even if BB was offered./QUOTE]Those bars did have stunners around 2 years ago when i first visited them. My recent visit saw terrible looking gals. Maybe to a certain extend, i do hold different preference for asian gals as i am an asian myself. I still couldn't forget the first gal i had in that bar. I think its 91. Looks average but a good lover on bed.

[Member #3409]

In all of these bars, massage parlors and hair cut salons, the girls go on rotation. So who's ever turn is next, they have first dip at the next customer walking through the door. You can simply tell the girl that you want another. They really have no say if you should choose someone else. The girl you reject will wait for the next customer. If you visit the place frequently and you keep on choosing the same girl for 3 times. The girl doesn't loose her turn in the rotation.Thanks mate will try and be more ruthless when there next. Like I said my biggest problem is getting rid of the first girl BEFORE she has made herself too comfortable and organised herself a drink. At least in Thailand the girls don't order themselves a drink without being offered or being asked!!!

Idealy I would like to walk into one of these places and spend half my first beer susing the place out to work out who I want the most. The joys of the fast paced HCMC!!

[Member #3409]

Those bars did have stunners around 2 years ago when i first visited them. My recent visit saw terrible looking gals. Maybe to a certain extend, i do hold different preference for asian gals as i am an asian myself. I still couldn't forget the first gal i had in that bar. I think its 91. Looks average but a good lover on bed.As I said in my first post I found the birds in the bars closer to the river to be shockers and closer to the Caravele to be better. Of the 20 or so I saw only maybe 3 or 4 suited what I reckon are stunners. At the Tiger Twin it was probably about 50% good looking and 50% "others"

So where are the true VN stunners in HCM. Also any good places outside those few streets near the Caravele and behind the Ledgend (which appear to cater for the Japanese clientele). What about out in the suburbs where it would be safe for a white fella to go?

[OldAsiaHand]

Jc373,

When I walk into the bar I look over all the talent before I sit down for a beer. If I find one to my liking, I stay and sit down with her. If not, I just split, check the next bar and follow the same routine. If you just want a quick BBBJ, you can grab a girl and go upstairs without even buying her a drink if you are a "Cheap Charley" like I am. I've paid $20-30 on-premise depending on the girl and the place, but most will not budge on the $50 ST takeout FS.

OAH

[Krum Lov]

hi, can anyone please tell me how massage at vien dong hotel (2nd floor) works? do you pick girl from fishbowl? how much is actual massage? how much is hj? do they give bj? if so, how much? and will they offer hj/bj without you asking? any other info much appreciated, thanks.

[Krum Lov]

i've read 2 reports here about shampoo shops that give BJs as normal service (though maybe not in that order!) in barber shop-type places along the street of Duong Dien Bien Phu. Any more experiences to relate? Costs, quality, age of girls, etc? Greatly appreciated, thanks.

[Max34]

I'm looking for a girl friendly mid range hotel in Ho Chi Minh City.

What are your best experiences?

Thanks

[Pham888]

HCMC Hotel

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I'm looking for a girl friendly mid range hotel in Ho Chi Minh City.

What are your best experiences?

[Drano]

hi, can anyone please tell me how massage at vien dong hotel (2nd floor) works? do you pick girl from fishbowl? how much is actual massage? how much is hj? do they give bj? if so, how much? and will they offer hj/bj without you asking? any other info much appreciated, thanks.i am no expert, but i have been there as a tourist twice. it is on the second floor (no sign in the lobby, is a sign by the right elevator button). the front desk asks what you want, you say body massage, and they send you to the left to a locker room, usually there are some attendants. you undress, are given towel, and the locker includes a plastic bag in which you can carry your valuables. you then enter room for sauna and/or shower...and maybe there is jacuzzi. this is just men. i usually just take shower. then they take you to waiting room where people are getting foot massage, watching tv, and your are given mild tea and fruits. they then take you back to a room.

the girls give you a massage of varying quality, but the girls are young and cute and very friendly. they let you know early on this is not just a therapeutic massage. after a while, they start playing with mr. c, and a conversation about a tip ensues. i've never discussed anything beyond hj. i offer 100k dong, they offer 300k, and i've always settled for 200k although other posters say they won't go over 150k. i really don't give a shit. (i was at a hotel on dong khoi street, i forget name, 3 stars, and i stuck with 150k and girl would not budge even though without hj tip was much less).

one girl, after hj, started jerking again, kissing, etc., layed on top of me, etc. i didn't understand this, and wondered if she was working for another tip...(i don't speak vn, so i don't know). the girls keep you the full hour-even if they jerk you early...seems to be a policy to avoid suspcion. price for the massage is listed as you walk in...never a rip off or anything weird. fwiw

[Krum Lov]

Thanks Drano, much appreciated. Do you happen to remember cost of massage? Cheers.

[Pham888]

Max34,

I'm looking for a girl friendly mid range hotel in Ho Chi Minh City.

I spent a week at a local hotel near Near New World call:

Xuan Nguyen Hotel - 43 Le Anh Xuan Dist #1 family own great people.

The desk guy can make all your arangement for the evening for $1mm dong

Pham888

[Mike Loan]

just a small addition.

normal massage as described by drano cost 100k for 1 hr. you can also get a vip masage for 300k for 2 hrs.

you get your own room. room has private bath tuba and sauna. room is very clean and tastefully decorated. personally, definitely worth the money!


i am no expert, but i have been there as a tourist twice. it is on the second floor (no sign in the lobby, is a sign by the right elevator button). the front desk asks what you want, you say body massage, and they send you to the left to a locker room, usually there are some attendants. you undress, are given towel, and the locker includes a plastic bag in which you can carry your valuables. you then enter room for sauna and/or shower...and maybe there is jacuzzi. this is just men. i usually just take shower. then they take you to waiting room where people are getting foot massage, watching tv, and your are given mild tea and fruits. they then take you back to a room.

the girls give you a massage of varying quality, but the girls are young and cute and very friendly. they let you know early on this is not just a therapeutic massage. after a while, they start playing with mr. c, and a conversation about a tip ensues. i've never discussed anything beyond hj. i offer 100k dong, they offer 300k, and i've always settled for 200k although other posters say they won't go over 150k. i really don't give a shit. (i was at a hotel on dong khoi street, i forget name, 3 stars, and i stuck with 150k and girl would not budge even though without hj tip was much less).

one girl, after hj, started jerking again, kissing, etc., layed on top of me, etc. i didn't understand this, and wondered if she was working for another tip...(i don't speak vn, so i don't know). the girls keep you the full hour-even if they jerk you early...seems to be a policy to avoid suspcion. price for the massage is listed as you walk in...never a rip off or anything weird. fwiw

[Krum Lov]

mike, have you had any experiences at the shampoo shops that give BJs in barber shop-type places along the street of Duong Dien Bien Phu? thnx.

[Mike Loan]

Yes but only once around middle of last year.

Taken to one of the barber shops at night by a trusted motor rider.

Cost was USD20. I think it was a bit high.

Started with a bit of massage and then went to a back room where she bj you.
While BJ, you could finger her as well as play with her boobs.


mike, have you had any experiences at the shampoo shops that give BJs in barber shop-type places along the street of Duong Dien Bien Phu? thnx.

[Longanluv]

Quality seems to vary week by week, but some of the bars around Pham Ngu Lao provide bar girls who can be taken out for free. In the Hai Ba Trung Bars the customer isn't charged openly, but the girl will have to pay for five lady drinks herself, before she makes any money - that's 250,000 dong she has to cover.

In bars like Cloudburst (de Tham) or Ba Ba (33) on Do Quang Dao, the girls are available for free. As said, some are better than others, but they're generally friendly, and not too expensive (i usually give 500,000, which they are pleased with, so it would probably be possible to get away with less.

The cheaper girls generally can't speak English - even bargaining has to be done in Vietnamese, but often the better the English, the higher the price, and the surlier the attitude.

I always found 2 of the happiest hunting grounds to be Lost in Saigon and the unbelievably sleazy and ramshackle Kim's bar on Pham Ngu Lao, though both have closed in the recent clampdown. (The local committee is looking to develop fast food on PNL). However rumour has it that some of these type of bars will re-open a little way away, maybe the other side of Tran Hung dao. If so, some of the gen I picked up a couple of years ago should become useful again).

As stated, less English usually means lower price. The best girls, I found were not the dramatic, sexy dancers, who command high prices, and want to simply get their money and go. If you can find them , there used to be "soft-core" girls, especially single mothers, out to turn a weekly trick to help with the house-keeping. Contrary to some reports below, I've found a few of them that are in it for fun as well as for profit - there seems little shame in picking up a guy for a night which you enjoy, and then ask him for a present in the morning. And it still works out cheaper than dating western women. the important thing is to treat them wioth affection and respect, and make an effort to keep them happy in bed. that doesn't take much, as they're used to Vietnamese guys who have tiny dicks, and just roll on and roll off.

Finally - if price is the real consideration, a cheapskate friend of mine used to frequent Le Duan St (not inaptly, down by the zoo). The choice was girls on moto's or girls on bicycles. He always chose the latter on grounds of price - he said they were always happy to get 100,000 VND as the going Vietnamese rate was 50,000. One day he told me that he'd thought better of the practice when one of her regulars told him her boyfriend made her go out to buy heroin for him.

Finally - one of the best practices is to visit a hai Ba Trung area bar, establish contact with one of the nicer girls (yes, they exist) get her number, and encourage her to visit you during non-working hours. That way she'll get to keep all the money, and believe me she will do everything she can to show her gratitude. These girls have mostly never had anything in their lives and will show a lot of appreciation for the most insignificant of gestures.

Good luck - treat them nicely, because they're not all bitches.

[Ozirob]

Good luck - treat them nicely, because they're not all bitches.


Agree totally!

[Goderos]

Yes but only once around middle of last year.

Taken to one of the barber shops at night by a trusted motor rider.

Cost was USD20. I think it was a bit high.

Started with a bit of massage and then went to a back room where she bj you.
While BJ, you could finger her as well as play with her boobs.

you are right. you paid too much. possibly due to the little heads nodding. we all make that mistake. or that you could have had FS. probably $5 would have been enough.

[Goderos]

Wanderer2005 & LoganLuv- Great post!

Pham888 - please do not post address in the future. Just PM it. This will certainly result in the place not being safe much quicker. There are not enough GF hotels as it is.

I agree with singviet in that most of the girls at the 'traps' do not offer the best selection of Vietnamese girls. This is an over generalization. There are of course gems in this places, but it is always hit and miss.
Too bad about Lost in Saigon, there are so few places opened after 12 as it is. Note drinks here were 30-60k VND but my local gf's paid 20k Vnd. wtf! haha..

IMHO, If you live in HCMC get a non working GF. there are so many fishes in the sea. Moto girls can be dangerous. Most will only go to their designated hotels, not alwasy safe and always dirtier than your own hotel.

[Fw190]

I just returned from 2 weeks in Saigon, and 1 week in Tokyo just before that. Great mongering experience, thanks in large part to the good info posted in these forums. Now that I'm back in the USA (and still feeling culture shock), I just wanted to post a few impressions from my foray. These are just my personal opinions on the local culture, so if that's not your interest, just skip this post.

1. Going from Tokyo to Saigon is like going from one planet to another. Despite all the rapid modernization going on in Saigon, it's nowhere near Tokyo in sophistication, choice, variety, etc. in all things -- including ladies! The reality is: Vietnam is still a Developing Nation.

2. The Vietnamese girls (in my opinion) have to be among the most attractive in Asia. After a lot of ogling, my conclusion is that some French or European (German Foreign Legionnaires after WW2?) blood got into their bloodlines a few generations ago, so now many Vietnamese gals have that "Eurasian" look, which combines the best of Western and Asian features. In addition, they're tall and have got Western bodies and long, shapely legs (which you won't see often in the Japanese). Not only that, the young Vietnamese gals are the original "Hardbody" -- not an ounce of fat anywhere.

3. But it seemed like a lot more of the VN gals had a "tough" edge to them, much more so than the Japanese I met. Maybe it's because the VN gals are doing this for a living, because they're poor and have to make ends meet. The Japanese are a rich society, and those gals are doing it mainly to get a little more cash to spend on Gucci shoes, Louis Vuitton handbags, or their next trip to Italy, etc. So it seemed to me that the Japanese gals were a bit more easy-going and less hard beneath the surface. And ultimately easier to "relate" to.

4. The one major obstacle to freeing up the sex-provider industry in VN is the lack of guest-friendly hotels. Imagine what would happen if the hotels were like hotels any place else in the world, so that you could bring a gal back to your room instead of running around trying to find a bare room in some small sleazy hotel someplace! Would that be too much to hope for?

Please excuse these purely personal, subjective thoughts. Looking forward to my next trip already. Happy mongering!

[Silly Puppy]

"they're used to Vietnamese guys who have tiny dicks, and just roll on and roll off."

Yeah right. What do you think about me fisting your Caucasian women? They are used to your tiny dick, too. If size does matter all your women must be drooling for big black dicks and ... my fist. Peace.

[Dick Tracy]

funny observation. Every decent exchange of useful information always manages to fall to the point of race and penis size??!! Zhezzz...WTF. Of course there are big and small in all the colors of the rainbow. We are here I thought to figure out whre to put it...not whose is bigger?? but hey...who am I to judge.

FW..I do not know Japan, but I also feel the "edginess" here takes some fun out of the game. Your opinions on beauty I share. I am not sure what it is but the 10's are 20's in some cases.

I have lived around this region for a long time, and IMHO Vietnam is not a place to monger for more than a night or two, but with patience and luck you could find your "succubus" heaven here. It comes down to how much drama you can take. But these are just my random thoughts.

Wish I could add some news on the scene, but, besides a few of the Hai Ba Trang bia-oms closing, and the "rehab" program under way around the old "Sahara",nothing much has changed.

It is an adventure.

[Txmanny]

uh oh! somebody in this forum just stumbled upon a very sensitive subject. It's on now.....let the fun began.

[Draco]

Was just in HCMC last week and learned that Lost In Saigon was closed. Any suggestions on a similar type of place? You know, music and relax while you do some sight seeing. You can meet some nice ladies there to go to a hotel. The regular bars with working girls aren't as nice, I've found. Not all, but many are just hustling along. A place like Lost in Saigon has ladies who go out occasionally to pick up a little spending money. Most of them can be quite nice and affectionate.

So, any suggestions?

[Cebu Local]

uh oh! somebody in this forum just stumbled upon a very sensitive subject. It's on now.....let the fun began.
I totally agree,Pass the popcorn,This might be good to watch......

[Goderos]

Was just in HCMC last week and learned that Lost In Saigon was closed. Any suggestions on a similar type of place? You know, music and relax while you do some sight seeing. You can meet some nice ladies there to go to a hotel. The regular bars with working girls aren't as nice, I've found. Not all, but many are just hustling along. A place like Lost in Saigon has ladies who go out occasionally to pick up a little spending money. Most of them can be quite nice and affectionate.

So, any suggestions?

Dont be deceived, most of the girls at LOS are working girls from other places. Most go there at the end of the nite, when other places are closing. Still was a fun place to hang. Too bad about it closing.

[Goderos]

it aint the size that matters. there are other factors. but yes i have a big penis. thanks!

[Asian Rain]

Popped into HCMC for a quick visit last week. Having had success on my last visit, I decided to try waiting again at the bus stop across the street from the Sofitel. This is more or less a hit-and-miss approach which generally takes a lot of patience, but I have gotten a few gems this way.

Interestingly, I was first approached by one of the moto guys who hangs at the corner in front of the Sofitel entrance. He was offering to bring me to a lady house, but I declined. I avoid pimps/middlemen wherever possible.

Waited a bit more and a girl came up to the curb on bicycle... very local wearing the pyjama-type ladies clothes. She gave me the boom-boom sign by slapping her hand on her fist. I nodded and she walked over... close up I realised she had a bit of a paunch. The offer was VND200k ST, but after some hand signaling I confirmed that she had 3 babies... I wasn't in the mood for saggy tits and strech marks, so I sent her off. I did see that she had another friend that she was cycling around who was even less interesting.

Waited for another 15 min... patient, patient. Another girl walked by - looked a bit crazed so I waved her off before she could approach.

Another 20 min passes by and I am ready to give up when an absolutely fine piece of tail walks by... I immediately signal for her to stop and she walks back and sits next to me. Great smile, circa 20yo, very nice slim body with a sweet tight ass. Negotiate for VND300k ST with video, showing her my camera to confirm. Stand up and she grabs my hand for the walk to the TMK mini hotel. My immediate impression was that she was certainly not much of a pro - she was smiling hand in hand all the way to the hotel, prattling away in Vietnamese which I didn't understand.

Get to the room and we settle in - set up my camera and have her do some posing. She is a bit shy and wants the light off - sorry, no can do! Just as I am pulling down my pants, she comes over and immediately starts sucking me off... just what I needed. Her bbbj technique was a real winner. Both of us stripped down and washed off in the shower, then back to the bed. I took the initiative and gave her kisses to her neck and nipples, getting pleasant moans in return. Made my way down to her muff for some DATY - took a few soft strokes of my tongue and she relaxed nicely, spreading her legs fully so I could work more freely. Her pussy had a really sweet taste as the juices began to flow.

Got her working on my nipples and then another bbbj. Very light tongue action on my shaft and balls. She then took the initiative and mounted me, slipping my cock into her love hole - no extra lube necessary. Very enjoyable cowgirl action. Switched position to doggy and slammed away at her tight ass. This is when I really took note that she was enjoying the action... I thought she was watching the TV but she was actually watching me penetrate her in the dressing mirror across from the bed. Grabbed her hair and did some rodeo-style slamming.

Next on the menu was mish and side straddle. She pulled back her legs nicely - the harder I slammed the better she seemed to like it. I was really ready to pop and indicated that I wanted to blow in her mouth... she refused. After some more slamming and some please-please-please looks, she finally rubbed her fingers together to ask for more money. I penned 400k on the wall and she nodded her head.An extra $7 to cum in your mouth? That's an offer I will take any day! I moved into position over her face and unloaded into her wide open mouth... I put my hand next to her mouth, she spit the cum into my hand and I rubbed the jizz onto her tits. From her reaction I could tell it was her first CIM... Superb finish to a superb session.

Got dressed and handed over VND400k. She whinged for some moto money and I indulged her with 20k... it's not so easy to refuse a girl who has just taken a full load of my sperm in her mouth. We parted with a kiss out front and I flagged down a cab for the ride back to the Sheraton. Slept like a baby! AR+

[Surfer]

I will happily pay an extra 100,000 for CIM every time too, but, sadly, the low end xia om are not always agreeable to that.): The more expensive girls seem more amenable. Good work AR.

The surest way to ruin a GF friendly hotel is to post it on the internet. Don't do it.

[Sing Viet]

Heard about the availability of High Class Call Gals in HCMC. These gals provides good service and possess good looks. Meant mostly for those who are willing to fork out more than `cheap charlie' for good service and good looks. PM me if you are interested.

[One Wing Low]

Everywhere I went in vietnam, I had women proposing to sell sex, even in front of police headquarters and the People's Supreme Court!

The street girls are usually the bottom of the barrel in looks and class. Most of them are high on all sorts of drugs, with blood-shot eyes, walking around like zombies, talking real fast. They are probably homeless, some are very grimy and smelly. They are so ugly and dirty, why would anyone would pay to fuck them, is beyond reason.

The street girls sometimes lure tourists into dark alleys where thugs beat them up and rob them of whatever they have. These drug addicts would do anything for a few bucks. There were reports of tourists being kidnapped, tortured and made to withdraw cash from ATM's.

Picking up street girls is probably not worth anyone's security, time or money. With some local connections, one can find much better company of local women. At the very least, ask the hotel front desk to recommend a trust-worthy taxi driver. He can supply everything to your heart's desires, and will look out for your safety due to the connection with the hotel.


Popped into HCMC for a quick visit last week. Having had success on my last visit, I decided to try waiting again at the bus stop across the street from the Sofitel. This is more or less a hit-and-miss approach which generally takes a lot of patience, but I have gotten a few gems this way.
AR+

[Sing Viet]

The street girls sometimes lure tourists into dark alleys where thugs beat them up and rob them of whatever they have. These drug addicts would do anything for a few bucks. There were reports of tourists being kidnapped, tortured and made to withdraw cash from ATM's.

Picking up street girls is probably not worth anyone's security, time or money. With some local connections, one can find much better company of local women.I do agree with what Bro One Wing Low has said. I have been in Vietnam for the past 4 years and have heard too many foreigners being robbed. All these happened becuase the foreigners want to save a buck or not. Eventually, they lose more.

This Charlie's Angels Services provide high class gals at a price. Although not cheap, customers has been returning. 99% of gthe clients gives thumbs up for the gals. The gals are carefully selected and follows a strict rule of conduct eg, no stealing, no running off in middle of night although client booked overnight... etc Clients are highly satisfied with the angel's services. Business is booming for Charlie's Angels. But no matter what, escort services are still illegal in communist vietnam and customers need to be discreet at times.

This Charlie's Angels service is not a phone number sharing service. Do not PM me to ask for phone numbers, as i have none to give. If you need a high class lady when you are in HCMC and is willing to pay for good service, then please PM me.

[Sixty]

Why don`t you post some pics of the girls here?

[Sing Viet]

Why don`t you post some pics of the girls here?I am still in the mist of compiling the photos of all the angels. A fellow friend of mine took some pics of one of the angel, i shall request from you soon. Just to let forumers have a feel of what type of service the angels provide, i shall attach a FL from a fellow forumer from the other forum:

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Hi bros. Was in HCMC last weekend, and bro Singvet hooked me up with one of his Angels (he was in Singapore, but the good bro still make it happen!!!).

He's dead on about everything he says, from the gir (hot!) to the hotels (was very easy and felt total safe).

Pls forgive if this isn't a good report. My first time, and it was so fun want to tell all....

Bro Singvet's wife (he lie, she speak good english met me w/ girl, Trinh, at small hotel in District 1. Trinh is BEAUTIFUL.....definite model-type (she had model pics of her on her cam phone, showed me -- even sent me one via bluetooth). In person, very sexy, shy, quiet, but hot looks/sexy eyes. Hotel basic, felt safe. 350,000 dong for 2 hours. Went up with girl (she speak no english, seems a bit shy/timid at beginning), and was worried language would make it a challenge. Very shy/timid during shower/cleaning (no fun in shower). Arranged with Singvet extra short time (2 hrs, 2 shots). First one was SOP. She was timid, wanted lights low, basic bbbj, little play. Think mainly I couldn't tell her what wanted. But when start bonking, got better. She was v tight, hard for her to take it all. Got going, and she start getting wild. She ride on top, got super wet, start touching herself and low moans. I didn't last long, eh? After that things got better and better. She then loosen up, talk via hand signals, etc. Think she finally get I nice guy. Lots of snuggling, touching, good gf feeling.

About 20 minutes later after lots of sign language/looking at pics, we start again, and this time like new girl! Kick it off by reaching over and rubbing her pussy. She immediately start again with bbbj, w me rubbing/fingering. This time with a lot of passion, lots of hard sucking. Her whole pussy start to get wet and swell up. She moaning loud now and sucking hard (good action in bj....second one was amazing. almost came from it). This time she direct me -- I just do what she wants ....because second time, I last pretty long, and we do missionary, then she on top, rubbing her own clit and moaning quietly. Then doggie style, which I love (and so does she). She buries face in pillow so not to make too much noise. Finally, turn her over, missionary, and pound away. She comes (can feel the muscles contracting like vibrator for good 20 seconds. Feels amazing to me....so good I end up blowing load right after. She grab me and hold me giggling after, then lots of Viet words I don't understand but assume they good. Few minutes cuddling, then a fn cleanup, leave with kiss on cheek. Overall, a great experience, and so glad bro Singvet recommended extra hour/shot, as first one, while good, wasn't even close to second time.

Name: Trinh
Face: 8/10 Beautiful eyes and skin, sexy, shy looking. Light makeup. Love her smile & eyes.
Body: 7/10 Gd figure, small, tight body. Smooth skin. Great ass. Stretch marks on stomach. Tatoo of flowers on one ass cheek (great tight ass).
Boobs: 7.5/10 C-cup (maybe BIG b because she small overall body). Soft and real feeling. Great dark nipples that stand up straight. Want to lick them again.
BBBJ : 7/10 First one standard, not bad. Second, when she started it, was excellent. No rushing, hard pressure, really good.
FJ : 8/10 First one good, basic. Second one she was into it. Moan & hard-working. Ready to have fun.
Frenching: Didn't try. During bonk, lots of kissing though.
Overall : 7.5/10 Definitely worth it. Would do again in a heartbeat.
Damage: US$120/120+mins/2 shot

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Sing Viet

[Gemsdoctor]

I do agree with what Bro One Wing Low has said. I have been in Vietnam for the past 4 years and have heard too many foreigners being robbed. All these happened becuase the foreigners want to save a buck or not. Eventually, they lose more.

This Charlie's Angels Services provide high class gals at a price. Although not cheap, customers has been returning. 99% of gthe clients gives thumbs up for the gals. The gals are carefully selected and follows a strict rule of conduct eg, no stealing, no running off in middle of night although client booked overnight... etc Clients are highly satisfied with the angel's services. Business is booming for Charlie's Angels. But no matter what, escort services are still illegal in communist vietnam and customers need to be discreet at times.

This Charlie's Angels service is not a phone number sharing service. Do not PM me to ask for phone numbers, as i have none to give. If you need a high class lady when you are in HCMC and is willing to pay for good service, then please PM me.I am going to Saigon and want to experince something good at least when it comes to body and language.The rest depends on chemistry anyway.Thanks for replying. gemsdoctor

[Yokoono]

My situation is a little strange. Long story short, will arrive May 12 for a 16 day visit. My lady friend, who I met in Europe, lives in District 3 and I will meet her family.

Mongering is not on my mind (too dangerous, hate smoke, don't drink), but I am open to getting a massage with HJ and/or BJ for sure. Especially since I will not get either from my lady friend. She said she would be willing to go to my hotel for some fun (no intercourse) but the hotels won't allow that.

So is it just the thing that all hotel massage parlors have extra services? A good friend of mine was in Vietnam last year and in both HCMC and Hanoi received massages or $5 to $8, with HJ's an extra $4 to $6 and twice he received a BBBJ and a full reaming for just $10 more.

Nothing like the $50 you guys are talking about. I just wish he could remember the names of the hotels!

[Piazza]

Was here since Tuesday and is leaving in the afternoon today.

Stayed at Legend Hotel. Was told it is a very new hotel. Managed by Japanese as such, you can look forward to very a organised and decent hotel, thus, not girl friendly. Well, when you are paying more than USD100/night it better be good right? Any bro here can recommend some good hotel that is in the USD80-100 bracket that is also girl friendly?

Did not manage any mongering activity as schedule were tight and dont have the information to explore. The only highlight of my trip is drinking at Saigon Saigon bar at Caravelle hotel. Nice view from the 9th floor but definately not a place to fish. Patron are mostly foreigners and some locals that you can tell that they not there to be fished either.

One thing I really like about HCMC is the ladies in their traditional costume, Au Zai. IT really shows the upper figure cut of the ladies... Was told that the trend of them wearing is it is not as much as it used to. You can see more of them in HAnoi...

When to this place for local food, Quan An Ngan. Highly recommended. Reasonable and very wide selection.

Will be coming back again to HCMC pretty soon. Any help from the bros here as to where the mongering activities can be found? Bars? Disco? MP? I just dont want to take the risk of picking up from the streets.

Cheers

[Member #3409]

My situation is a little strange. Long story short, will arrive May 12 for a 16 day visit. My lady friend, who I met in Europe, lives in District 3 and I will meet her family.

Mongering is not on my mind (too dangerous, hate smoke, don't drink), but I am open to getting a massage with HJ and/or BJ for sure. Especially since I will not get either from my lady friend. She said she would be willing to go to my hotel for some fun (no intercourse) but the hotels won't allow that.

So is it just the thing that all hotel massage parlors have extra services? A good friend of mine was in Vietnam last year and in both HCMC and Hanoi received massages or $5 to $8, with HJ's an extra $4 to $6 and twice he received a BBBJ and a full reaming for just $10 more.

Nothing like the $50 you guys are talking about. I just wish he could remember the names of the hotels!You could always take you friend to a short time hotel, they don't cost that much, think about $10 from memory. But if she ain't gonna root then maybe no point. Many massage places all over asia offer extra's but maybe not quite that cheap, but also never heard of $50 for extra's. For that you would want FS in a ST hotel!

[Sing Viet]

Another write up from my satisfied client:

Glad to know you had a great time. I had a great time with Trinh too. FR as follows:

Bro SingViet linked me up with Trinh and when I saw her, my hard heart simply melted. Trinh is VERY BEAUTIFUL! She could not speak a word of English, neither cd I speak a word of Vietnamese, so we had to pass with chicken and duck talk.

Very slight build, sexy phoenix eyes coupled with a very demure expression belied the passionate feminine charm just seething beneath the surface. Cd sense her shyness but my sedate manner settled her nerves and pretty soon we were chatting like lovers, she in Viet and I in English but still managing to understand each other.

The time came when we exchanged an unexplainable eye signal. She bent down to lick my nipples and ohhh, can she lick nipples! Cupped her chin in my hands and lowered my lips onto hers. She was timid at first but pretty soon she responded with a fierce passion amidst soft moans after my hands started exploring her erogenous zones. She was so passionate that we forgot abt the BBBJ. Slowly started exporing her body with my lips, with her emitting sensual moans whenever my lips found her erospots.

Finally wandered down to her pussy where I gave her some intense cunnilingus. At first she was hesitant to allow me to do that but a minute of tongue persuasion soon unleashed the animal in her. Pretty soon she was practically grabbing the pillows, the sheets, my hair, anything she cd lay her hands on, so intense were the pleasure spasms coursing thru her body. The sight of such a beautiful face cast in expressions of pleasure was such a turn for me. And yes, she was very wet. My whole chin was practically dripping with her juices. After a good 10 mins of cunnilingus, she arched and came in a wave of shudders, akin to waves crashing against reefs. If she thought, it was over, she was wrong as I proceeded to repeat the whole process all over gain, bringing to a second orgasm, this time after 20 mins of pure pleasure.

Finally capped up and when I gently rubbed my dick against her pussy, she bucked and grabbed my head down to met hers in a fierce tongue lock. Did full penetration and she practically shivered in ecstasy. Did lots of positions, doggy, missionary, reverse missionary, scissors, and each position brought her to a new plateau of pleasure. Her tight pussy also made my pleasure intense and we finally came together in a crescendo. We frenched slowly but fiercely as we warmed down in a lovers' embrace.

Heard later that she confided to Charlie's wife that she slept like a baby the next few nights with the memory of my tongue on her pussy

Ratings-
Name: Trinh
Face: 9/10. The prettiest FL I had met! Very alluring eyes and expression.
Body: 8/10. Lithe contours. Boyish yet all woman.
Boobs: 8/10 C-cup. Handful and firm. Nice erect nipples when properly stimulated.
BBBJ : NA. We forgot about it!
FJ : 8/10. Like bonking a poly gal.
Frenching: Lots!
Overall : 8.5/10
RTF: Fuck, yes!!!
Damage: Have no idea. Handed Charlie a wad of money in a daze when I set eyes on Trinh. He gave me some change which I was too dazed to count

[Asian Rain]

Another write up from my satisfied client:
SV, More power to you if you want to flog your high-class prostitute service on the board, but the proper thread to use is the Vietnam Classifed Ads.

From the FRs I would gather that you are charging $120 ST for a girl who has had a baby and has tattoos? High class, indeed.

Perhaps you can share some pics (discreet, if you are worried about LE or exposure) of your stable of girls. I assume you have more talent that Trinh.

Again, please help to keep advertising out of the information threads, AR+

[Silly Puppy]

Please stop pimping in this forum. The Vietkieu and foreigners have done a lot of damage to the market and left the locals with miss 5 (fingers) for so long. I am Vietkieu but never pay high fee for Viet hores, no matter how beautiful they are. If I need beautiful girls I can go to China where beauty/cost ratio is very high.

[Wendella]

Um, please don't pay too much attention to that sudden outburst. Pimp away. What harm is done by this guy hyping this service? It's information. If you don't want to use it, ignore it. I mean, we have an endless number of posts here about which hotel to stay at, I don't see anybody complaining about that. And I actually don't see a pressing need for LESS information about how to hook up with girls in VN... actually more the opposite. If you're not thrilled that prices are high, well, I think you have to accept the reality that the service does exist, and those are the prices being asked for, and if you don't like that, then don't use it. It's your money. If prices are going up across the board (debatable), well, somehow I don't think refusing to discuss it (here) is going to change that fact.

Just my 2 cents, but I never go into any thread called Classified Ads, didn't even konw it existed... so if it was up to me, I'd say people should post in whatever thread they think a certain topic is relevant to, or where people viewing there might be interested in seeing it. I'm here, and am interested in at least reading about this service, and if it had been stuck in Classifieds I never would have seen it... so I don't see any harm. I don't see any practical good reason to be disallowing certain kinds of posts in certain areas if they are in some way relevant to the thread's subject, which this certainly is. The only thing I do find tedious here that would tempt me to endorse such a rule in one case is all the posts about GF hotels, wishing those had a place of their own since they're SO different a subject than what we refer to as 'nightlife'. I don't need a hotel, so it's completely uinteresting to me. But any post discussing girls IS of interest to me. So I actually would be disappointed if this guy's posts about this service weren't allowed here.

[Fw190]

I totally agree with Wendella. The more info, the better. We have all kinds of readers on this forum, and not everyone is looking for the same thing. I for one visit Vietnam on business, and I don't have time to walk around the entrance to the zoo hoping to be picked up by some lady on a motorbike, or visit multiple bars on Hai Ba Trung hoping to find an attractive, intelligent gal who knows what GFE means. If there are other services/options available, I sure want to find out about it -- and it's better to find out about it here, within the context of the broader (and enlightening) discussions about Vietnam that we've had. As the Moderator says, if you don't like the posts from any particular person, you can always filter him out and never see him again!


Um, please don't pay too much attention to that sudden outburst. Pimp away. What harm is done by this guy hyping this service? It's information. If you don't want to use it, ignore it. I mean, we have an endless number of posts here about which hotel to stay at, I don't see anybody complaining about that. And I actually don't see a pressing need for LESS information about how to hook up with girls in VN... actually more the opposite. If you're not thrilled that prices are high, well, I think you have to accept the reality that the service does exist, and those are the prices being asked for, and if you don't like that, then don't use it. It's your money. If prices are going up across the board (debatable), well, somehow I don't think refusing to discuss it (here) is going to change that fact.

Just my 2 cents, but I never go into any thread called Classified Ads, didn't even konw it existed... so if it was up to me, I'd say people should post in whatever thread they think a certain topic is relevant to, or where people viewing there might be interested in seeing it. I'm here, and am interested in at least reading about this service, and if it had been stuck in Classifieds I never would have seen it... so I don't see any harm. I don't see any practical good reason to be disallowing certain kinds of posts in certain areas if they are in some way relevant to the thread's subject, which this certainly is. The only thing I do find tedious here that would tempt me to endorse such a rule in one case is all the posts about GF hotels, wishing those had a place of their own since they're SO different a subject than what we refer to as 'nightlife'. I don't need a hotel, so it's completely uinteresting to me. But any post discussing girls IS of interest to me. So I actually would be disappointed if this guy's posts about this service weren't allowed here.

[Drano]

My curiosity has been piqued by a conversation I had with a Filipina stripper (in the US) about Vietnamese women. My SO (in HCMC) is Vietnamese. I mentioned this to the stripper, and she asked, "Does she like to have her pussy eaten a lot? Is she a screamer?" The answer was "yes." She said, "Typical Vietnamese," and said this was based on her informal survey. The filipina claimed that she and most of her friends had different tastes (Catholic influence??) ...Is this true about the Vietnamese women? Why would this be? I thought they were a bit conservative (except my SO of course). Thoughts?

Thanks

[Pak Mike]

[QUOTE=Drano] "Does she like to have her pussy eaten a lot? Is she a screamer?" The answer was "yes." She said, "Typical Vietnamese,"

Yes, in my experience true on both counts. Any yes, conservative, but love a good fucking if done discreetly.

[Yokoono]

My Vietnamese girlfriend is far too embarresed to let me go down on her. She will go down on me, no problem. But she won't let me go down to her "secret place" until I am her husband. One time she was kind of drunk and she let me and had a HUGE orgasm but that scared the hell out of her and she has not let me do that since.


My curiosity has been piqued by a conversation I had with a Filipina stripper (in the US) about Vietnamese women. My SO (in HCMC) is Vietnamese. I mentioned this to the stripper, and she asked, "Does she like to have her pussy eaten a lot? Is she a screamer?" The answer was "yes." She said, "Typical Vietnamese," and said this was based on her informal survey. The filipina claimed that she and most of her friends had different tastes (Catholic influence??) ...Is this true about the Vietnamese women? Why would this be? I thought they were a bit conservative (except my SO of course). Thoughts?

Thanks

[LexLuther]

My experience is that Viet chicks tend to be quite wild. Most of them like most positions and activities except anal. Although I have met one who liked that as well.

Just my experience with Viet girls.

Lex

[Silly Puppy]

Majority of Vietnamese guys only go down on their gf's or wives. It is a taboo to them to go down on ho's or amateurs because they consider these girls dirty.
The younger the girls are the less willingful they let you eat their pussies. The older and married (like 23 or higher) ones LOVE it. I once met one 30 y/o lady whose husband died of cancer when she was 25. She is not a ho, mind you. She took a bath already and when I went down on her she was so shock and excused herself to go to the bathroom again to make sure "IT" was really clean :) Her ex BF's rarely did that to her. The Viet men, I'd say, are rather lazy in this type of love making even to their gf's or wives.. I also met a massage girl in PhanThiet who was married 3 years ago. To turn her on I talked very dirty while she was jerking me off after a very good massage, such as "have you ever got your pussy eaten by anyone?" She shook her head "no" (in remote area such as PhanThiet eating pussy is not a common practice in men, in general) and was turned on so much by that kind of talking that she let me push her down on the massage table and I just ate her away. It was 9 in the morning and nobody was around the place but I got to put a pillow on her mouth to mute her screaming when she came so hard. After that she said my wife was so lucky to have a husband like me :) I found it really funny with such comment because in the West making a woman come is not a big deal and is our ... duty or I should say responsibility ha ha.... :D

[1Ball]

my Balinese wife had never had her pussy eaten until I came along. She loved it from the first minute I did it.
So tell me Yokoono, who wears the pants in YOUR relationship? Ha Ha Ha.




My Vietnamese girlfriend is far too embarresed to let me go down on her. She will go down on me, no problem. But she won't let me go down to her "secret place" until I am her husband. One time she was kind of drunk and she let me and had a HUGE orgasm but that scared the hell out of her and she has not let me do that since.

[Yokoono]

my Balinese wife had never had her pussy eaten until I came along. She loved it from the first minute I did it.

So tell me Yokoono, who wears the pants in YOUR relationship? Ha Ha Ha.Man, it ain't easy. We are seperated by thousands of miles and see each other every few months. Like many Viet girls, she will let it happen when she is married. But until then she is "trying" to be a good girl.

[Sing Viet]

Man, it ain't easy. We are seperated by thousands of miles and see each other every few months. Like many Viet girls, she will let it happen when she is married. But until then she is "trying" to be a good girl.Unless you are talking about working gals, majority of normal vietnamese ladies do not like their pussies to be licked. There's even a distinction between what a working lady can do and what a wife can do :P

[Vietgirllover]

Since weeks you are promising photos of your gals, what is up with you? You are still compiling? Don't tell me! There is another reason, isn't it? If your gals are such beautiful as mentioned in many posts here so you should be able to show them to us, isn't it?

[HugeDick]

Hi guys,

I am a Vietkieu will be in HCMCT next week. Anybody know any "Tho Dia" at local that I can contact to work as guide. Please let me know.

Thanks

[Sing Viet]

Since weeks you are promising photos of your gals, what is up with you? You are still compiling? Don't tell me! There is another reason, isn't it? If your gals are such beautiful as mentioned in many posts here so you should be able to show them to us, isn't it?I do not operate in the way you expected. Why should I show you my gals' pictures? I only show it to my customers who are sincere. So don't come telling me what you want, I do not care.

[OzzieSuds]

Since weeks you are promising photos of your gals, what is up with you? You are still compiling? Don't tell me! There is another reason, isn't it? If your gals are such beautiful as mentioned in many posts here so you should be able to show them to us, isn't it?I just checked the thread and this guy SingViet seems to be pushing one girl Trinh in poorly disguised versions of the same report. Credibility with me is zero.

[Yokoono]

Unless you are talking about working gals, majority of normal vietnamese ladies do not like their pussies to be licked. There's even a distinction between what a working lady can do and what a wife can do :PIf she doesn't let me lick her snatch when we are married (if that happens) then I'll divorce her because I absolutely NEED to lick snatch. :D

[Horny Toad]

Anyone in town during Early June? Would love to hang out and check out a few spots.

[Asian Steve 22]

Does anybody know of good massage/HJ saunas? Last time I went to a good one tip was 100.000 VND for 2 hours of sauna/massage time, but don't remember where.

[Txmanny]

Ky Dong massage parlor is by far the best bang for your buck! It's located on Ky Dong street in district 3 I think. Anyhow, only tip 100,000 dong for a HJ and 200,000 dong for a BJ (if you are able to pursuade her for a BJ). Don't get con by these girls into giving more or else you'll be wasting money and ruin the price for those to follow. I have seen some tipping as much as 300,000 for a HJ here. That's an idiotic price to pay for a HJ in Saigon IMHO.

[Drano]

I'm withdrawing my earlier "endorsement" of the massage place at the Vien Dong Hotel. To make a long story short, they seem to be overbooked, and offered me a "free" hairwash (typical vn facial massage while I waited). It lasted about 30 minutes and was the same as any facial massage in a hair salon in HCMC. I tipped the girl 50k VND, which is a bit high of a tip for this service (but it was free), and she asked for 200k (possibly 100k--I don't understand VN that well) and acted mortally wounded...etc. Anyway, I didn't even want a facial massage when I came, now they are trying to make me feel bad for the tip. I just left w/o massage. I was completely out of the mood.

Vietnam is the only place I've been where, unless you have a deal ahead of time, the girls seem to be trained to raise a stink no matter what you give them. There is only one thing that girl should have said to me, and that is "Thank you."

[James Wong]

Will be in Saigon early June. Staying in Park Hyatt Hotel, any action nearby? Any nice bars where could have couple of drinks with ladies mongering around? Of course not those sleazy bars.

Thanks to advise

[OzzieSuds]

Will be in Saigon early June. Staying in Park Hyatt Hotel, any action nearby? Any nice bars where could have couple of drinks with ladies mongering around? Of course not those sleazy bars.

Thanks to adviseWhen you fall out of the Park Hyatt to Hai Ba Trung there are a dozen or so bars of varying degrees of sleaziness on that street.

Forget Acopolypse!

If you want flashier pickings try the bar on top of the Caravelle.

Would not be surprised if there were not some high grade pickings in the bars of the Hyatt and the Sheraton but I have not tried.

Be aware that next week there is an APEC meeting in town with lots of VIP's around so you need to be circumspect.

[OzzieSuds]

Last week the girls in these bars all seemed to want US$60 minimum and it was hard work to get them down to $50. I recall a year or so ago $20 was no problem and $40 got you a stunner for long time.

Now when I offer $20 all they do is laugh.

What happened?

[Silly Puppy]

Because people from other countries have come and spoiled the market. These girls have to pay bar owner for their short time absence, too (bar fine, sound familiar?) Gas price increases 25%, so does fucking.

I always avoid these pro's in the bars on HaiBaTrung or similar. Their holes are probably dilated to the size of a golf/tennis ball due to too much pumping action with the big boys from foreign countries. :)

[James Wong]

Not sure whether Park Hyatt is girl friendly. Not feeling safe doing ST at the hotels recommended by the girls.

I wonder what's the damage for overnight?


Because people from other countries have come and spoiled the market. These girls have to pay bar owner for their short time absence, too (bar fine, sound familiar?) Gas price increases 25%, so does fucking.

I always avoid these pro's in the bars on HaiBaTrung or similar. Their holes are probably dilated to the size of a golf/tennis ball due to too much pumping action with the big boys from foreign countries. :)

[OzzieSuds]

Not sure whether Park Hyatt is girl friendly. Not feeling safe doing ST at the hotels recommended by the girls.

I wonder what's the damage for overnight?I was told by locals that after 10.00 pm Riverside is checking girl into another room and charging for it - they used to just say no. Park Hyatt might do same.

Otherwise you have to resort to subterfuge - get them to dress like business lady or delivering tailored clothes etc. I have taken girls to lunch at first floor restaurant at Riverside and then slipped off to elevator.

The small hotels on Mac Thi Boui are not bad and are generally GF freindly. I actually stay there rather than big hotels. Rates are US$20 to maybe $35 for a 'suite'.

[Casey2005]

I'm withdrawing my earlier "endorsement" of the massage place at the Vien Dong Hotel. To make a long story short, they seem to be overbooked, and offered me a "free" hairwash (typical vn facial massage while I waited). It lasted about 30 minutes and was the same as any facial massage in a hair salon in HCMC. I tipped the girl 50k VND, which is a bit high of a tip for this service (but it was free), and she asked for 200k (possibly 100k--I don't understand VN that well) and acted mortally wounded...etc. Anyway, I didn't even want a facial massage when I came, now they are trying to make me feel bad for the tip. I just left w/o massage. I was completely out of the mood.

Vietnam is the only place I've been where, unless you have a deal ahead of time, the girls seem to be trained to raise a stink no matter what you give them. There is only one thing that girl should have said to me, and that is "Thank you."
I know what you mean. I offered 150,000 dong for a HJ to the girl who was giving me a massage at Vien Dong Hotel. She should have said "thankyou" for the opportunity to make in a few minutes what is double or triple the money that most people earn for working all day in Saigon. Instead she complained that it was "so little". In Vietnam the focus is on getting as much money from the customer as possible. It isn't on pleasing the customer or making sure that you get your money's worth. I lived in Korea for a while. You deal with set prices there and the girls there will make an actual effort to please you and make sure you have a good time. In contrast, in Vietnam once you have handed over the money that is all they care about. They will most likely give you rushed, mechanical service. The minimum amount of service they can give you for the maximum price they can get you to pay. Every effort will often be made to squeeze a few extra dollars out of you. Customer service is not important to them. I was charged 50,000 for a package of 3 condoms at a hotel. The hotel owner claimed that was the price on the street. The next day I saw the same package in a store for half that price. They will complain that the price is too low in an effort to manipulate you. When you decide to leave a lady bar there is a good chance that they will complain that the money you offer them is too little although you are paying the price they quoted you when you entered the bar. And the quality and selection of ladies is not always the greatest. I remember that one night a motorbike driver drove me up and down the road near the zoo and bridge several times. He said that he could help find me a girl. This was at about 10:30 at night. He could only find one, but she was an older lady who didn't appeal to me. Then he offered to go with me to a hotel himself. He tried to grap me between the legs to demonstrate what he meant. I remember in 2000 when I first visited Vietnam the streets were filled with stunning young women for low prices at night. Now it seems that there is a lot less women and they are of lower quality for higher prices. I think that Thailand has been so successful because they have figured out what a western man's fantasy is and how to fulfill it. Vietnam is a long a way from that. I would advise people looking for sex to avoid Vietnam. If you do come here be very careful. I've heard horror stories about people being robbed by hookers and stories about the police demanding huge bribes from foreigners who were caught with hookers. And always pay the girl after the service. This will give her a better incentive to give you your money's worth and keep her end of the bargain (a simple concept that many Vietnamese people have trouble grasping). Of course, there are always exceptions but why not spend your money in another country where the risk of having unpleasant experiences is much less?

[OzzieSuds]

Any info on Huong Sen Hotel or its massage place. It is on corner of MacThi Boui where all hotels are girls friendly. Not mentioned in forum.

[Asian Steve 22]

My first time going! Any good "hong kong style" sauna/massages? Looking for a good place to relax in a sauna before getting a massage with HJ or BJ.

Thanks for info in advance.

[Wendella]

Does anyone know anything about how things work in these Japanese bars? There used to be a lot of bars with girls downtown in the Hai Ba Trung area and in that general neighborhood. The number has shrunk to something like half in the last 2 or 3 years. Meanwhile. Japanese bars sporting girls standing out in front wearing ao dais have mushroomed up all over the place -- in that area and elsewhere. The prices, as you'd expect, are much higher.

Now I'm actually not interested in finding out exactly what the prices are, since that's easy enough jsut walking in teh door of any of them. What I'm curious to know is if anybody knows how it works with girls there. Like, can anything happen there? Can you take them home? What's it like? What normally happens there?

The bar scene for westerners is pretty much dead. No new girls ever turn up in those places. They must all be going to the Japanese bars now.

[OzzieSuds]

Does anyone know anything about how things work in these Japanese bars? There used to be a lot of bars with girls downtown in the Hai Ba Trung area and in that general neighborhood. The number has shrunk to something like half in the last 2 or 3 years. Meanwhile. Japanese bars sporting girls standing out in front wearing ao dais have mushroomed up all over the place -- in that area and elsewhere. The prices, as you'd expect, are much higher.

Now I'm actually not interested in finding out exactly what the prices are, since that's easy enough jsut walking in teh door of any of them. What I'm curious to know is if anybody knows how it works with girls there. Like, can anything happen there? Can you take them home? What's it like? What normally happens there?

The bar scene for westerners is pretty much dead. No new girls ever turn up in those places. They must all be going to the Japanese bars now.

Will be in HCM next week. Also interested in these 'japanese' bars.

[Dragonfly22]

Went to the Mimosa Club my last trip to Sai Gon and had a great HJ, massage $7USD and $10 tip for best HJ I had in Vietnam. She offered more but I was already too far gone to reply. Hope to go back my next trip. Also had HJ's in Nha Trang's Yasaka hotel where the lil wench tried to ring a $20 tip out of me but I would have none of it. Also the lil girls at the Saigon Tourane Hotel in DaNang are kind of mechanical. Have the xe om drivers take you to one of their places. They know the best spots and very reasonable too. Looking forward to trying one of the BJ spots mentioned and I did try a moto girl outside the Equitorial Hotel in Sai Gon and she took me to a st hotel. $10 and for her full service $30. Not bad but her friend that took me home was hotter and wished I'd done her instead. Next time for sure.

[OzzieSuds]

Went to the Mimosa Club my last trip to Sai Gon and had a great HJ, massage $7USD and $10 tip for best HJ I had in Vietnam. She offered more but I was already too far gone to reply. Hope to go back my next trip. Also had HJ's in Nha Trang's Yasaka hotel where the lil wench tried to ring a $20 tip out of me but I would have none of it. Also the lil girls at the Saigon Tourane Hotel in DaNang are kind of mechanical. Have the xe om drivers take you to one of their places. They know the best spots and very reasonable too. Looking forward to trying one of the BJ spots mentioned and I did try a moto girl outside the Equitorial Hotel in Sai Gon and she took me to a st hotel. $10 and for her full service $30. Not bad but her friend that took me home was hotter and wished I'd done her instead. Next time for sure.


Where is this Mimosa Club?

[Dragonfly22]

Where is this Mimosa Club?Mimosa club is attached to the Rex Hotel but it also has a separate entrance one block behind. Suana, jacuzzi, and massage for $7UD...have to watch the girls are agressive and want big tip for service and keep your bargaining power. Even with a woody tell her no and keep the price down. I met my girl after and went for dinner, she was so beautiful and buildt nice too. Sweetest ass as I had seen in Vietnam. Alas I was leaving the next day but will pursue that avenue again.

[MrJayBee]

I decided to hit the bars last night after not having much luck meeting non-working girls locally. In fact, even though I am married and not the most faithful guy in the world, I try to limit my extra activities and keep my head about me (pun intended). Ahhhh marriage....did you ever get the feeling you're stuck in the horse latitudes?
I live in District 1, so I walk past all these girlie bars all the time and get to see the goods from outside the bars regularly. God but Vietnamese women are sexy when they try to be. But, I thought it might be best to get a little further away from the house because I also walk these streets with my wife and it probably wouldn't impress her if a few of the girls called to me by name.

I walked down Dong Khoi towards the river on the west side and thought I should try to hire a reasonably normal honda om, someone who I could identify with. I met a chap sitting there on his Honda Wave Alpha and he looked ok. We started a conversation, typical one including where I was while here during the war and where he was and that stuff. He was very low pressure and a decent guy in early sixties. I told him I was married but lonely that night and I wanted to find some action but not in one of those expensive places close to the city center. Of course he agreed, and I hired him to be with me for the night for 50,000 Dong. That's probably close to a full day's wages for the guy so he readily agreed to drive me around and to stay outside the bar until I found what I was looking for, then would drive me back to where I wanted to go.

I thought we would be heading over to Pham Ngu Lao or somewhere, so imagine my surprise when the guy drives all the way through Ben Thanh Market and turns right to the one-way street heading back towards my house, Ly Tu Trong street. He pulled into a bar that I have walked past several times, right there on Thi Sach between Ly Tu Trong and Le Thanh Ton streets, so I figured, well maybe this guy knows what he's talking about. Turns out the only cheap thing in the bar was the beer, 30,000 VND for a Heinie. I settled into a chair with a not very lovely but big and aggressive woman and bought her a 50,000 VND drink. One small glass with about one-half gulp of Baileys and one ice cube. I felt her up a little and chatted, asked her for the price of ST and LT. She said $50 USD for ST plus $20 for short-time hotel. Thanks to reading the previous posts here, I told her no freaking way and said I could only go $20 for ST and wanted to go to my house, not to a hotel. She said no, must be in a hotel and only street girls ask for $20. Well, upsy-daisy with the beer and out the door.

Next stop was in the area I thought we would originally be heading towards. I don't remember the name but a tiny little dive with one pool table and a few 2s and 3s and one 5 just off of Tran Hung Dao street. I grabbed the fiver and took a chair in the very back corner and bought a 25,000 VND Heinie and bought her a 50,000 VND coke. The waiter brought over wet towles and a dish with some peanuts, but I told her I wasn't paying for anything else but drinks, so no go on that. Negotiations ensued. She was not that lovely and in her late twenties but God she had a sexy way about her. I just knew she was going to fuck my toes off. Same asking price and she said she would go to my house, and I got her down to 600,000 VND. Sorry guys, maybe I'm not good enuf at negotiating but where in the hell do you find cheap girls these days that don't work the streets? Also had to buy her one more drink for her release from the club (or so she said) so the bill there.....125,000 VND.
Outside we went and I jumped on my driver's bike and she grabbed another honda and we zipped across town towards the house. I have neighbors who keep an eye on things so we had to kind of sneak in the back away as was still early, not quite 11 PM.

Inside, I got her a cold drink and we sat on the sofa making out with her rubbing my dick through my jeans and we got started walking upstairs to the bedroom. Jumped in the shower together and she scrubbed my dick and balls and massaged my asshole while I played with her smallish tits.

Back to the bed and jumped in. She was a reasonably good fuck and i massaged her clit and finger fucked her twat until she came hard and then my turn. She sucked and licked Mr Woody and kissed and played with my balls and we're talking blue steel here. So, on with the raincoat and we fucked in several positions. The best was doggy as she got her ass high in the air and i fingered her tight little asshole while drilling her pussy. Wow, she was really hot now. She told me she wanted me to cum in her mouth, so after about thirty minutes (gotta get your money's worth) I got her on her back and moved up so she sucked on the end of my dick while i jacked a load in. Wow. Haven't done that one for way too long. I'm getting a stirring down below just thinking about it.

After everything, she gave me her cell phone number and told me to call her anytime of the day or night, and she would be there in 15 minutes and I could just pay what I wanted, even just 200,000 VND.

I think I might try her again, she was a lot of fun and had a pretty enuf face. Just got to talk her into doing anal for me, I love exploring that darkness with my dick.
Moral: Treat them nice and be a little generous. It doesn't hurt and maybe you'll get rewarded next time.

[Dragonfly22]

I will be heading to Vietnam in Sept. of this year. Is anyone going to be there then? Viet kieu amigos would be much appreciated. Always have a great time in country and looking forward to 2 more weeks. Will hit HCMC, Nha Trang, DaNang and maybe more.

[OzzieSuds]

Any info on Huong Sen Hotel or its massage place. It is on corner of MacThi Boui where all hotels are girls friendly. Not mentioned in forum.

Answer my own question. This place offers massage for VND100,000 but they point you to a locker and get you to put on old board shorts and a robe. Can't see the point in hanging around in these places since its obvious they want no action. Club Mimosa is the same.

[Drano]

There is a bar on the same side of the street as U2 on Mac Thi Buoi but closer to Dong Khoi that I stopped by. One or two nice looking girls. Said they have a room upstair, but I wasn't completely trusting of them. What is the story with these rooms? Said they could only use it during the day, but no charge. Said they were worried about police at night. Thanks.

[Dragonfly22]

Sudzie,

I haven't been to a MP in a hotel or outside that doesn't at least offer HJ and everyone that I've been to you can touch anything, some have a "no entry" standard but that's ok, everything else is fair game. Looking forward to my next trip and expanding my search for ripe fruit.

[OzzieSuds]

There is a bar on the same side of the street as U2 on Mac Thi Buoi but closer to Dong Khoi that I stopped by. One or two nice looking girls. Said they have a room upstair, but I wasn't completely trusting of them. What is the story with these rooms? Said they could only use it during the day, but no charge. Said they were worried about police at night. Thanks.

The upstairs room in this bar used to be very very basic but they did up the ground floor recently so maybe they cleaned up upstairs as well. you can always take a look and walk out if you don't like it.

The small hotels near this bar (Thang Long, Linh and Kim Long) are all
GF and charge US$20-25 for an overnight room. I prefer these places to the quickie hotels because I choose and not the girl. Bach Dang gets a bit edgy and I don't know about Dong Do.

[OzzieSuds]

Sudzie,

I haven't been to a MP in a hotel or outside that doesn't at least offer HJ and everyone that I've been to you can touch anything, some have a "no entry" standard but that's ok, everything else is fair game. Looking forward to my next trip and expanding my search for ripe fruit.

Yes - But I just don't like the shorts and gown thing.

[Stew2]

Got here tonight and decided to walk out of my hotel to check out the scene in the bar area on Ha Bai that I have read about here. There seems to be about a one or two block area with quite a few bars, and also some others in the neighboring streets...

So I went into #49 (why? I don't know - they had cute miniskirts). Within 3 minutes I had a girl, a beer, she had two drinks, and I had negotiated a BJ in the pool room in back. Ten minutes later she drained me and I settled the bill once a respectable time had passed. The bill was inaccurate (but not by much - 25,000). SO you need to watch that. And the BJ was good but a little rushed (was explained to me that we had to hurry because another customer would come into the room).

Given advice I had gathered here, I only carried as much as I was willing to part with, and so the negotiation was simple - I showed her much less I had than she was asking and she agreed it would cover everything - the drinks and her tip. No further haggling necessary. And I also insisted on paying after the deed - been there too many times with lackluster performance when prepaying.

Walking back to my hotel (which is just 2 to 3 blocks from there) I was propositioned by at least 5 moto bike girls. Some quite gorgeous. There is plenty of action to be had around here.

Stew2

[Dragonfly22]

Stew,

What hotel you staying in? Is it GF? Was your bj the cim variety? What was your total bill USD? Thanks for the report, also monger dudes, what do you do if the girl doesn't speak any english and you want the bbbj? Use sign language ie the hand to mouth routine or just start pushing her head down?

[Stew2]

Stew,

What hotel you staying in? Is it GF? Was your bj the cim variety? What was your total bill USD? Thanks for the report, also monger dudes, what do you do if the girl doesn't speak any english and you want the bbbj? Use sign language ie the hand to mouth routine or just start pushing her head down?

Lots o questions, DF22! I'm in the Spring (about 2 blocks from the Park Hyatt) and a decent deal at $35. I am betting the official policy here is no guests, but when I got here last night pretty late the night guys at the desk and door offered to have a massage girl come to my room and made it clear that more than just a massage would be possible. So when they come on duty later tonight, I plan to ask about other kinds of guests. Saw a real hottie FL outside the Caravelle this pm I'd love to bring back here!

The BJ was CIM, and the girls all seem to know enough English, so don't worry. Once I was sitting at the bar and she was in my lap showing me her tits, I asked her what she would like to do for me, and she immdiately responded that she would like to suck my cock and let me CIM - so I rather doubt there will be any communication problem with these girls! By the end, including drinks (she had 3 and me one) I paid about 30 USD. Probably more than I needed to, but I suck as a negotiator in these circumstances, especially when somewhat new to a place!

By the way Sudosz - Was in the Mimosa CLub getting a massage from a cute girl (Hanh, I think), and as you said, Mimosa indeed did have the pants, but once I got in the room, I asked the girl if I needed to keep them on - and she said "your choice". That made it clear between us that more was possible. But in the end, it didn't work out - I thought the code for BJ was "yum yum" but found out that either I was wrong or that is not universal here. Once I realized that she meant HJ, not BJ, I lost interest. She was firm about that not happening there. Or so she said. And you were certainly right about the agressive tip tactics - she wanted more for a HJ than we pay in the US! I said forget it and saved my strength for later.

[Poppasan]

I have been going back and forth to Saigon since 95. Seems like a lot of changes. The girls are definitely better with hygiene and choice of undergarments. Love them things. Anyways, I notice that their are different level of monging here.

There are those guys that just want to get a decent girl for the lowest prices. And they go to places I tend to avoid. Like the bar scenes on Hai Ba Trung. I call those Venus Man Traps.

There are guys who is willing to go to clubs and get better looking girls. I prefer this route. They tend to cost more but in the end worth the price. You are less likely to get bad service. These girls that work here tend to be more westernize so I think are more skill in bed. The Venus Man Trap girls are usually country girls who are more mechanic. Just my take.

I envy all you lucky bastards who are enjoying it over there. Why did I ever get married. Damn. I long for the day I can go back to Saigon.

Oh. I have a report to make, but its was in Vung Tau so I will post it in there.

[OzzieSuds]

Don't know the Spring Hotel and it does not rate on my map. Most of the smaller and cheaper hotels are GF. At $35 you are probably on the margin. Last year I paid $35 for a suite at the Bach Dang and they got very edgy about the girls.
The hotels do not make the policy - it is all about the people's committee and keeping up appearances.

[Stew2]

Don't know the Spring Hotel and it does not rate on my map. Most of the smaller and cheaper hotels are GF. At $35 you are probably on the margin. Last year I paid $35 for a suite at the Bach Dang and they got very edgy about the girls.
The hotels do not make the policy - it is all about the people's committee and keeping up appearances.

Actually the Spring Hotel is a very nice place located on Le Than Ton less than a block from Ha Bai - not 5 stars for sure, but pleasant, quiet and good service for a very reasonable price. They have free wireless (it even worked today, though not yesterday - they were reparing it), and one of the better breakfasts I have had in Vietnam (though I realize that is a matter of taste!). They are also quite helpful in arranging things (like air tickets which they purchased for me and just added to my bill). I prefer the smaller hotels with friendly service that cost a but less than the larger more impersonal classier hotels to save my money for mongering and other sports.

And actually, I found out last night that this hotel is GF. Or should I say partly - I don't know about the daytime staff, but the night man at the desk is definitely a wink and nod kind of fellow - he arranged a massage for me last night that easily turned into boom boom - girl was pleasant enough (no stunner, for sure - maybe a 7) but asking price "anything I want to pay" - and indeed, what I gave her was not even looked at before she left the room. Massage itself was about twice the spa rate - $15 for an hour, but I didn't care. The whole thing - about half hour massage and half hour boom boom (can't help but smile when I hear that expression) cost me $40. Yeah, I could have given her less, but my choice.

And I also found out that the hotel will alloow you to bring a guest - if you register them separately if they are Vietnamese and you are not. This was after 10 pm, so maybe it is like the deal Sudsoz reported about the Riverside Hotel. At the Spring, the hotel will do that at a discounted rate of $23 (which I think makes them GF, doesn't it - why give a discount?) - so it would be comparable to going to a minihotel I suppose, except you could use your own room. I would add that this is not really a mongering hotel in feeling - a lot of NGO types use it.

[Dragonfly22]

Stew,

Thanks for the info, I may have to try the spring on my return to HCMC at the end of my trip, I'm staying at the Ngoc Ha, has anyone heard of it? Pleasant hunting Stew.

[OzzieSuds]

Stew,

Thanks for the info, I may have to try the spring on my return to HCMC at the end of my trip, I'm staying at the Ngoc Ha, has anyone heard of it? Pleasant hunting Stew.

A quick search says it is over near Ben Thanh market. Long walk to centre of District 1.

The GF hotels in Mac Thi Buoi do not charge any more for the visitor. They keep her ID as security and if she leaves without you they call to see if all is OK.

[Stew2]

A quick search says it is over near Ben Thanh market. Long walk to centre of District 1.

The GF hotels in Mac Thi Buoi do not charge any more for the visitor. They keep her ID as security and if she leaves without you they call to see if all is OK.

Well actually, it is closer to the Park Hyatt than the market - just half a block to Hai Ba, and only 2 blocks to the Park Hyatt/Caravell area. Took me no more than about 5-6 minutes to walk to the bars on Hai Ba. From my perusal of the hotel fronts on Mac Thi Buoi, my guess is that it is a much nicer hotel than you might find there... but I haven't been inside them, so cannot say for sure.

[OzzieSuds]

Well actually, it is closer to the Park Hyatt than the market - just half a block to Hai Ba, and only 2 blocks to the Park Hyatt/Caravell area. Took me no more than about 5-6 minutes to walk to the bars on Hai Ba. From my perusal of the hotel fronts on Mac Thi Buoi, my guess is that it is a much nicer hotel than you might find there... but I haven't been inside them, so cannot say for sure.

Well $10 per night can get you a lot more hotel in HCM. But how does the Spring react to the ladies? Would love to have a more comfortable hotel that is GF.

[Wendella]

Hmmm. Seeing more reports about those same few Hai Ba Trung bars. Zzzzz.

The staff of those places hasn't changed much in about the last 2-3 yrs. No cute new girls ever seem to show up in those anymore. Any that do arrive leave fast.

Walk down Le Thanh Ton around 11:30 or 12:00 (east of Thai Van Lung) when all those Japanese bars shut (must be more than double the number of those than of the HBT ones) and see what comes walking out on their way home. They're younger and prettier. They're actually hot. Not kinda sorta hot. There's one side street at the start of LTT called Ngo Van Tam or something like this, which has about 10 of them in there. All the new girls must be getting jobs at all these places, which have sprung up all over in the last yr or 2. Meanwhile HBT bars are just a bit more than half the number they were before.

Mentioning this again because reports are needed on these places. There are about 500 reports about 49 and 51 etc. I think not a single report on any Japanese bar. Btw, at the vast majority of these, Westerners are welcome.

[OzzieSuds]

Mentioning this again because reports are needed on these places. There are about 500 reports about 49 and 51 etc. I think not a single report on any Japanese bar. Btw, at the vast majority of these, Westerners are welcome.

My local friends tell me these Japanese bars are very expensive and they do not believe takeaway is available.

Last night I was in this area. Walked past the Spring Hotel to get to Camargue Restaurant - Stew we never did find out if the Spring is GF.

Anyway there is a fairly discrete 'billiards' bar a couple of doors down from Camargue that actually has some nice fresh talent without the attitude you get in HBT bars.

[OzzieSuds]

One of the things about the HBT bargirls is that it does not pay to keep them too long because the makeup is hideous in good light.

Anyway a few nights ago I picked up one that was a bit less aggressive in HBT. I was with friends and we went back to Club Latino to watch the football. As the taxi circled and went past the Kim Long and Thang Long GF hotels in MTB she ducked down in her seat to hide.

Later when I told her again we were going to Kim Long she threw a tizzy fit about going to a short time hotel.

In the end I left her in the street.

Anyone see any logic in this?

[OzzieSuds]

Yes - But I just don't like the shorts and gown thing.

Decided to try the massage thing again. Massage 1hr for VND100,000. This time when the guy pointed me to a locker I just said 'massage only' and waved a hand and said 'where is massage'. Got lead directly to the massage room without the shorts and gown thing.

Gear off and hung on hook. Girl comes in and hangs towel over my gear so no-one can see.

Very good strong massage by nice girl - a bit plump around face but nice bod. HJ for VND250,000 but all very secretive under towel. Girl very willing to give telephone number and come to hotel for 'boom-boom'.

Some of the other girls seemed more attractive so now that I have a method that works I will go back again.

[Stew2]

One of the things about the HBT bargirls is that it does not pay to keep them too long because the makeup is hideous in good light.

Anyway a few nights ago I picked up one that was a bit less aggressive in HBT. I was with friends and we went back to Club Latino to watch the football. As the taxi circled and went past the Kim Long and Thang Long GF hotels in MTB she ducked down in her seat to hide.

Later when I told her again we were going to Kim Long she threw a tizzy fit about going to a short time hotel.

In the end I left her in the street.

Anyone see any logic in this?

I have a guess - since I went to the Kim Long with a guy who set me up with a girl there - he clearly works the neighborhood and calls girls to introduce you there. Perhaps she is one of the girls he calls and she was worried that he might be there and see her working without him getting a comission? Or something like that. By the way - I admit I made a classic mistake in going that route - the middle man did bring the girl to me before I paid any money and I could have turned her down. And we agreed on a price (that she later tried to up, but I refused). But once we were up in the room, the attitude sucked and I eventually terminated as it was getting to be a turn off. Live and learn.

[Stew2]

My local friends tell me these Japanese bars are very expensive and they do not believe takeaway is available.

Last night I was in this area. Walked past the Spring Hotel to get to Camargue Restaurant - Stew we never did find out if the Spring is GF.

Anyway there is a fairly discrete 'billiards' bar a couple of doors down from Camargue that actually has some nice fresh talent without the attitude you get in HBT bars.

Actually I told you what I knew about it in report 972. Can't get any more for you, as I am in Phnom Penh on my way to BKK. Good luck HCMC posters - enjoyed my stay there and appreciated your helpful input.

[Shearer68]

That bar down from Carmargue is called Smiley's Bar, a regular with expats, but has been a bit hit and miss over the last three years. Good BJ upstairs in one of the pool bars, but like all of hmc it has has got more expensive. Some good girls though.

[Alphaq]

Back in Saigon once again. Got hold of me old mate (VK) and he hooked me up with the little sweet fucking machine (Kim) and her yummy friend Nhi for couple hours of fun. If in SG, give her mobile ([Email address deleted by Admin]) a jingle:

Vnesse girls are so exotic and alluring, one of the best mongering places in Asia – if you know where to look.

EDITOR's NOTE: This report was edited to remove email addresses in the text. Please do not post email addresses in the Forum. Instead, please invite other Forum Members to contact you directly via the Forum's Private Messaging system. Thanks!

[Ippehsoj]

Prices for Kim and friend?

LT and ST please.

Thanks

[Dick Tracy]

Thanks AlphaQ for the contact. Got in touch with Kim and finally arranged a hook-up yesterday. Seems she has her own stable of gals, or at least is fronting for someone.

Service was sort of rushed and so-so. She seemed to be distracted and in the end called over 2 other girls to "substitute. She had a bad case of acne which always turns me off, but each to his own. Overall, would give the experience a C-. There are definitely better options out there, but if you are not a local then guess this might float your boat. Price was 500k for ST and she asked 1,000k for her "friend" who was willing to do overnite.

[Wanderer2005]

Hoookey.

After living 8 months in HCMC, what have I learned

The best pussy hunting ground is not in HCMC. In HCMC the girls are trained to drain you dry of money in the shortest possible space of time.

One tip, when buying the pussy a drink, DO NOT BUY THEM A DRINK OF THEIR CHOOSING.

BUY TWO beers and give them one. Or buy two of the drinks of your choosing and give them one. Taste the mixed drink before giving it away, Beer is better, takes them longer to suck it down. :)

This way they get real alcohol and you do not get charged for a expensive girly drink. Sugar water. Hehe, the girls reaction will be priceless.

I prefer quiet bars where the girls do not maul you to death the moment you walk in the door or harass you to death for girly drinks. HCMC, have not seen bars like this yet. NOT ONE.

GO TO VUNG TAU.

Vung Tau is a small island about 35 miles from HCMC. Oilfield supply base.

You take a hydrofoil ferry, 1 1/2" hrs ferry leave at 6am and last is 6pm. Taxi drivers will know how to get there, just tell him Vung Tau Ferry. (120K VND each way, 240K VND round trip)

When you get of the ferry, get a taxi, go to the Grant hotel

There is a road to the right of the grant hotel with a lighted arch in front of it, walk down this main street, on the left side is many many bars. +15, (8+ girls per bar)

The alcohol is cheap (20K for a beer) and the women are $500K for the night. Many bars, the women are not pushy, go in and out of each bar and choose what you want. THESE ARE NOT LIKE THE HCMC GIRLY BARS. These bars leave you alone to choose whom you want. Real alcohol girly drinks too.

I like the RED DRAGON the best, ask anyone for directions. (end of the street on the left). The bar owner is very friendly and the girls are fun. The bar stay open till 4-5am in the morning. (unlike HCMC where there is a 12pm curfew)

Many hotels here, ask the ladies fora 25-30 dollar hotel. In front of the same above street that is the Palace hotel. Very nice $35.

You can go at 6pm in the evening (ferry) from HCMC, spend the night there and head back to HCMC at 6am in the morning and be in HCMC by 7: 30 in the morning.

This turns out to be a much better deal than HCMC. The women selection is better and more accomodating. Lots of fun here.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread.

[Alphaq]

Prices for Kim and friend?

LT and ST please.

ThanksST and 2 pops

[Alphaq]

Thanks AlphaQ for the contact. Got in touch with Kim and finally arranged a hook-up yesterday. Seems she has her own stable of gals, or at least is fronting for someone.

Service was sort of rushed and so-so. She seemed to be distracted and in the end called over 2 other girls to "substitute. She had a bad case of acne which always turns me off, but each to his own. Overall, would give the experience a C-. There are definitely better options out there, but if you are not a local then guess this might float your boat. Price was 500k for ST and she asked 1,000k for her "friend" who was willing to do overnite.Are we talking of the same girl? "Kim" as she referrece herself was No pizza face. Could be the case i had a substitute, still no objection. Overall experience B.

[Jayman 05]

Hoookey.

After living 8 months in HCMC, what have I learned

The best pussy hunting ground is not in HCMC. In HCMC the girls are trained to drain you dry of money in the shortest possible space of time.

One tip, when buying the pussy a drink, DO NOT BUY THEM A DRINK OF THEIR CHOOSING.

BUY TWO beers and give them one. Or buy two of the drinks of your choosing and give them one. Taste the mixed drink before giving it away, Beer is better, takes them longer to suck it down. :)

This way they get real alcohol and you do not get charged for a expensive girly drink. Sugar water. Hehe, the girls reaction will be priceless.

I prefer quiet bars where the girls do not maul you to death the moment you walk in the door or harass you to death for girly drinks. HCMC, have not seen bars like this yet. NOT ONE.

GO TO VUNG TAU.

Vung Tau is a small island about 35 miles from HCMC. Oilfield supply base.

You take a hydrofoil ferry, 1 1/2" hrs ferry leave at 6am and last is 6pm. Taxi drivers will know how to get there, just tell him Vung Tau Ferry. (120K VND each way, 240K VND round trip)

When you get of the ferry, get a taxi, go to the Grant hotel

There is a road to the right of the grant hotel with a lighted arch in front of it, walk down this main street, on the left side is many many bars. +15, (8+ girls per bar)

The alcohol is cheap (20K for a beer) and the women are $500K for the night. Many bars, the women are not pushy, go in and out of each bar and choose what you want. THESE ARE NOT LIKE THE HCMC GIRLY BARS. These bars leave you alone to choose whom you want. Real alcohol girly drinks too.

I like the RED DRAGON the best, ask anyone for directions. (end of the street on the left). The bar owner is very friendly and the girls are fun. The bar stay open till 4-5am in the morning. (unlike HCMC where there is a 12pm curfew)

Many hotels here, ask the ladies fora 25-30 dollar hotel. In front of the same above street that is the Palace hotel. Very nice $35.

You can go at 6pm in the evening (ferry) from HCMC, spend the night there and head back to HCMC at 6am in the morning and be in HCMC by 7: 30 in the morning.

This turns out to be a much better deal than HCMC. The women selection is better and more accomodating. Lots of fun here.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread.Hi Wonderer,

Great report! It sounds like and interesting place to check out.

Is it ok for westerners? and can the people there speak english i.e like in HCMC?

[Alphaq]

Two question to the experts:

1) Any Bia Ohms in HCMC other then the HTB surrounding areas? Any Cafe/Bia Ohms in Cho Lon, for example?

2) Any intel. on Metal disco club, dist. 3?

[Wanderer2005]

Jayman,

Vungtau is a mainly a very large supply base for the oilfield. It also a resort town for the locals.

It is full for foreigners coming in Vietnam to work on the oil rigs offshore.

The women consequently speak very good english. Well, most of them.

You can tell when the women are new to Vun tau, their english is still not at good fluencey.

Wanderer

[Stew2]

Thanks for the info - I only regret not having had it a few weeks ago when I was visiting HCMC!


Jayman,

Vungtau is a mainly a very large supply base for the oilfield. It also a resort town for the locals.

It is full for foreigners coming in Vietnam to work on the oil rigs offshore.

The women consequently speak very good english. Well, most of them.

You can tell when the women are new to Vun tau, their english is still not at good fluencey.

Wanderer

[OzzieSuds]

I think the report by Wanderer reflects the differences in attitude and expectations of someone who lives in a place compared to someone who visits from time to time.

I imagine that once you have been around HCMC for a while you will have seen most of the women and the ones that get your interest will have started to become quite possesive. It only takes a day or so for them to start with the 'where are you' SMS messages so I can imagine what it is like after a month or so. I don't exchange phone numbers any more.

On the other hand visitors to HCMC may not feel familiar enough with the language and culture to venture out to somewhere like Vungtau or other locations up country a bit.

Anyway the later reports would seem to indicate that Vungtau is a bit of a foreign workers base and my experience of them is that they can be haven's for disease.

[MrJayBee]

I have been living here in Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon) for about 3-1/2 months now. I am married but my wife (she’s Vietnamese) lets me have some nights off, so to speak. God, there are so many beautiful women in this city, and many just seem to love western guys. I always get told I have a lovely mouth and nose, whatever that means.

Before moving to Saigon, we lived in the Mekong Delta province of Tien Giang. So, having tasted the café oms in the rural countryside, there is quite a price shock when sampling the city girls.

I often went bicycle riding and stopped by the special cafes on the highway between My Tho and Go Cong Tay. It is kind of easy to recognize which roadside café’s offer special services. If you see a string of colored or Japanese-type lanterns strung out front or if when looking into the café from the road, you notice that you can’t really see what’s going on inside, there’s a very high probability that this is a café where blow jobs are a specialty.

I tried several there. The first time, a beautiful young lithesome gal made my coffee and sat down next to me. She was speaking to me in Vietnamese, which I don’t know well enough yet, and I couldn’t understand what she was asking. When her hand slipped down to my crotch and grabbed a handful of my cock, I understood freely. I asked her, bao nhieu or how much? Would you believe 50, 000 dong or about three USD and change? She took me back to a dingy little room and laid me out on the bed, took my clothes off and sponged me down with a wet cloth. She lifted her top up to show her titties and pulled her pants down to display a cute little bush and began a wonderful BBBJ. I never knew a woman could suck so powerfully. This girl was not only lovely with prefect boobs but I finally understood the expression about sucking the chrome off a fender. I finished in her mouth and tipped her 20, 000 dong. Would love to see her again.

The next time was not as good. The girl was not very pretty and inferior technique but it worked. She only wanted 40, 000 and I ended up giving her 50.

The third time was done by a pro with a nice body and she had also mastered her techniques. She let me finger her pussy and she get very wet and hot and I finger-fucked her vigorously while finishing in her mouth too. The women there are all very careful not to take their clothes all the way off and the conditions are always third world, but I have to say that each time was satisfying and enjoyable. I think they are very paranoid about police busts and if they get caught. Ouch! Don’t expect more than a blow job or hand job in these places. I still think of the first girl once in a while. Her name was Ha and she was a very lovely woman.

In Saigon, I have tried different ladies. I have hired bia om girls to come to my house and one in particular is a favorite. She is 26 and has a great little butt. She works in a bar on Pham Ngu Lao. Contact me if you want her cell phone number. We have a deal where she’ll come over early afternoon if I call her and let me fuck her silly before she starts her job. Still won't let me explore the back door though.

Last week, I connected with a really gorgeous 20 year old with very brown skin and again, perfect boobs. She was not very experienced and I did go down on her. Her pussy was so sweet and I made her cum very hard. She rewarded me with a multi-position fuck and I just loved her body. About 5’5" with long, tinted hair and a very pretty face. A little expensive though at 500,000 dong.

I have also met two ladies here for GF type sex. The first one, I have to admit I fell for her. She was the best fuck of my 55 years of living. I have read about hot women and I finally scored one. She wanted me to do everything and my friends, I tried. We kept it going for a long time and it is still burning a hole in my brain to think about that night.

Another young lady, a little chubby gave me a good one-night stand. Also, extremely hot and game for almost everything. After a long fuck, she swallowed my juice, which I just love doing, jacking a load into a girl’s mouth.

I’ve also tried the massage parlors here and been picked up by girls on motorbikes. You know what? I haven’t had a bad experience yet. I love Vietnamese women! Contact me for more specific details and I’ll try to help. By the way, an earlier post about going into a bia om bar and buying two beers. One for you and one for her? Great idea. Thanks for whoever suggested that one. Otherwise, one swallow of that half-shot of Bailey’s and they’re hitting you up for another drink again.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread.

[Vachon]

Given that internet servers inside Vietnam are monitored by the government, at least sporadically, have any members had issues accessing ISG in the country? Advice from members living in Vietnam would be particularly welcome.

[Shearer68]

No problems over the lat three years over ISG access over the last 3 years and we get access to most of the sites tht are actually blocked in Thailand. I know they block some viet language sex sites from UK and I think the notorious naughty Nigel site.

[OzzieSuds]

Just wondering how come a member with two posts has been accessing ISG from VN for three years.

My experience is that some obvious porn sites are blocked but wsgforum is OK.






No problems over the lat three years over ISG access over the last 3 years and we get access to most of the sites tht are actually blocked in Thailand. I know they block some viet language sex sites from UK and I think the notorious naughty Nigel site.

[Shearer68]

I guess that is a fair question sudsoz. I was a regular monger in Thailand and for about a year here, but have been married to a cute viet girl for a while who has been brilliant, so not much need to do much in Vietnam. I still pop around to Bangkok and Phnom Penh now and then and am well aware of the mongering seen in HCM[ Rarely partaking these days]. And I guess I have popped onto board a fair bit when visiting Thailand and Cambodia to get some very useful updates. I have not contributed much and I guess have lurked a bit to gain info[ however I am sure there are hundreds doing the same] and have appreciated members comments aswell as finding them entertaining. I guess I am opening myself up to criticsm and could just not have replied to your query. I have just answered relevant questions in my measley 2 posts but hope they were useful and will probably contribute alot more in the future now I have laptop and my own independent computer. So look out for some reports from Thailand, Cambodia and Vung Tau in the future, not HCM. It's a bit close to home (unless I can answer a query that is).

[Member #3409]

Just wondering how come a member with two posts has been accessing ISG from VN for three years.

My experience is that some obvious porn sites are blocked but wsgforum is OK.

If you look at his profile you will see he joined on 04-02-04. As he said he has been lurking, so I would belive what he has said.

[Horn Dog 2]

[QUOTE=MrJayBee]I have been living here in Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon) for about 3-1/2 months now. I am married but my wife (she’s Vietnamese) lets me have some nights off, so to speak. God, there are so many beautiful women in this city, and many just seem to love western guys. I always get told I have a lovely mouth and nose, whatever that means.

MrJaybee,

You are such a lucky dog to be living there. I miss the slim, beautiful babes. Miss watching them riding their motorbikes. That is so cool. There are so many places for different types of activities with such low prices. Last December, I was taken to a BJ bar 15-20 minutes outside of the city centre. It was like the MacDonald's of BJ's. You go in the room with massage tables all lined up with curtains dividing them. My friend's girl screamed and laugh because he took off his pants in 2 seconds. A young pretty girl cleans your P with a towel (used many times?), suction happens and before you know it, another happy ending. We made so much noise that my friend thought we were having intercourse. She wanted to do it again, but we had to go. Time was less than 15 minutes, cost was $200,000 dongs. Sorry, do not remember the address, all the signs look the same to me.

[Silly Puppy]

Just a quick report here.

I was in VT 2 years ago. My friend is a local and he took me to many KTV places. The girls played hard to get even they knew I had money. My friend was trying to get an 18 y/o for me but the girl refused to come to my hotel, saying it was not her style even she opened my pants to see my dick and let me squeeze her boobs hard.
So I ended up going to a massage place where I got BJ and HJ for more than an hour. She could not make me come. I asked her to go to my hotel nearby but she said she couldn't. In the 2 days I stayed there I tried about 3 massage places and could not get any girl to come with me. I was, however, able to convince a girl to mount me inside the room with her clothes on and her panty pushed aside. It was a very awkward experience. I made her bleed after a long fucking time and I could not come either.

VT was not a good place for mongering then but it may change now.

[Poppasan]

Two years ago in VT, the action was good. I think your friend just took you to the wrong places. Sometimes those cyclo guys or motobikes guys would know more than some of the locals.

The locals don't have money to go mongering like we do. So they take you to places they heard about.


Just a quick report here.

I was in VT 2 years ago. My friend is a local and he took me to many KTV places. The girls played hard to get even they knew I had money. My friend was trying to get an 18 y/o for me but the girl refused to come to my hotel, saying it was not her style even she opened my pants to see my dick and let me squeeze her boobs hard.
So I ended up going to a massage place where I got BJ and HJ for more than an hour. She could not make me come. I asked her to go to my hotel nearby but she said she couldn't. In the 2 days I stayed there I tried about 3 massage places and could not get any girl to come with me. I was, however, able to convince a girl to mount me inside the room with her clothes on and her panty pushed aside. It was a very awkward experience. I made her bleed after a long fucking time and I could not come either.

VT was not a good place for mongering then but it may change now.

[OzzieSuds]

Shearer - are you based in Saigon. If so we might catch up next time i am in town.


I guess that is a fair question sudsoz. I was a regular monger in Thailand and for about a year here, but have been married to a cute viet girl for a while who has been brilliant, so not much need to do much in Vietnam. I still pop around to Bangkok and Phnom Penh now and then and am well aware of the mongering seen in HCM[ Rarely partaking these days]. And I guess I have popped onto board a fair bit when visiting Thailand and Cambodia to get some very useful updates. I have not contributed much and I guess have lurked a bit to gain info[ however I am sure there are hundreds doing the same] and have appreciated members comments aswell as finding them entertaining. I guess I am opening myself up to criticsm and could just not have replied to your query. I have just answered relevant questions in my measley 2 posts but hope they were useful and will probably contribute alot more in the future now I have laptop and my own independent computer. So look out for some reports from Thailand, Cambodia and Vung Tau in the future, not HCM. It's a bit close to home (unless I can answer a query that is).

[OzzieSuds]

Shearer - I just noticed that it was you who responded to my post about the bar near Camargue. What struck me about this bar is that there is less pressure - you can sit down and take a look around to choose or not choose. Being local can you tell us about any other similar bars a bit off the main drags.


That bar down from Carmargue is called Smiley's Bar, a regular with expats, but has been a bit hit and miss over the last three years. Good BJ upstairs in one of the pool bars, but like all of hmc it has has got more expensive. Some good girls though.

[Starlife]

Hi everyone,

I will be in ho chi minh the 29 of jully for 14 days and i was wondering if anybody want to have a meeting for chat or better.

I am open to all kind of suggestions just PM me.

P.S. I am a newbie for vietnam but I RTFF with a lot of interst and i also speak french(don t know if it's help a lot).

See you maybe there.

[Surfer]

Reading on the web you hear good things about lots of girls for hire in Vung Tau, but the savy VK mongers I met raved about Mui Ne and not ONLY because the beaches are so much nicer than Vung Tau/Ba Ria area beaches. And the action is NOT out on the beach with the kite surfers but in the town of the same name.I did meet this Russian BABE kitesurfing instructor at a cafe at Pham Ng Lao who was on her way up there for the winter (see picture)

[Saigon Sam]

Watch out for this beautiful girl who rides on a motorbike trying to pick up customers. She is very pretty and most of us will not say no. Be warned! She is a thief! Anyway, what happens is she will take you to a mini hotel which looked legit. She will ask you to pay first (300, 000). She turns on the stereo loud and asks you to put your pants on the corner of the bed. I did not know it at first but someone tried to steal money from my pants as she was giving BJ. I did not notice at first bc the music was so loud. Something did not feel right so as I stood up, I saw my pants move. I immediately grab my pants and lucky, nothing was taken. How did someone get under the bed? I looked everywhere and could not understand how someone could even come close without me knowing! Would you believe that there was a small door under the bed along the wall? Someone from the next room crawled under the bed through this door. It was all planned and the hotel workers were all in on this.

I remembered the motorbike was a black attila with plate numbers 51-T2 on the top row. Could not remember the bottom row numbers.