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Knight 1001

02-18-07, 07:10

though this has been said many times over in the forums, i believe that it's still worth to remember very few golden rules related to mongering in general and especially applicable to motorbike girls.

having said that, if you follow these simple guidelines, you still may land a gem on wheels, which i did on occasions. remember though that as probability laws have it, there will be misses, but they're the price to pay for the good times: nothing comes free.

1- never ever accept to go to a hotel or place where the girl or her papasan or mamasan want to take you; you'll be totally powerless, on their turf and god only knows what they have in store for you. at best you'll pay for a service you will not get, at worst you could get robbed and beaten;.

if the girl means only business, she'll accept to follow you to your place of choice. also, as a safety measure, even the small mini hotels do ask for the girl's id before she goes up, which may be a deterrent. having said that, i've seen girls using other girl's id's ... still your hotel staff are there as potential help to you.

2- never pay up-front and certainly never to a third party such as mamasan or papasan. insist on paying the girl after the action and don't be shy to let her go if she refuses: this way you keep control of what the girl will do and her attention to do what's been agreed upon. you may curse yourself later for having let her go sometimes, especially if she's gorgeous, (as i did once or twice, and still regret it ...), but certainly less than the deception of having paid for nothing and being cheated upon.

you may accept to pay a small tip to the mamsan (i give them around 50 000 dongs) for her help, but no more.

you will not ensure thereby that you'll get the lay of your life but at least you'll keep your chances of being laid to be even...usually, the papasan will remain close by your hotel waiting for the girl to come back in any case.

3- make sure that you have locked up safely all of your valuables and or anything that has value (wallet, money, phones, spare batteries, jewellery, eye glasses, credit cards, mp3 players, earphones, eau de toilette, electric shavers, etc.) before the girl comes in, or as you get into the room. leave nothing in your pockets or bags easily accessible.

i have had a ***** steal a phrase book from me when she didn't speak a freaking word of english. she'd put it in her belt trousers in her back ... while i'd felt her pockets and bra ... for nothing. the only consolation i had ... was that i had fucked her anal and it had been a bit painful for her.

as another example, recently: in another city in asia, i took 2 girls and while i was shagging one in another room, the other one actually emptied half a bottle of cognac in a bottle of water and put it in her bag. though i checked their bags before they left, all i saw was a botle of water. i thought nothing of it at the time, till i put away the botle later on and saw it half empty. good thing it wasn't the xo but a cheap one i'd bought to make cocktails with ...

morale of the story: check their bags before they leave, feel their pockets, breasts and wherever they could hide something if you're not sure that you've stashed away everything. do it as a play if you will, and you may be surprised of what you'll find.

4- never loose sight of the girl once in the room. if she tries to push you to the shower first let that be the alarm signal that she's up to something. they can be extremely fast and only need seconds to act. take her to the shower with you. sorry too say, but i would stongly suggest that you make full use of the bathroom before you get set to go mongering.

a good tip which has worked for me, as i caught one or two girls red handed with their hands in my trousers pockets, is to leave the water running while you are in the bathroom, if you're using it alone, then peek in the room regularly ... the idea is let her know thereby that you're on alert and not to be fooled around with: she'll get the message.

5- never go out with expensive watches, jewellery or big stashes of money. take the strict minimum with you and lock up safely all the rest. muggers will look for those signs to select their targets. those items are like honey attracting bees... if you're not to use your credit cards outside, leave them home. you should know approximately how much you're going to spend so just take that amount of cash with you, with a litle extra allowance, just in case.

i hope the above will help you to be, and to remain, safe.

Asian Rain

02-18-07, 14:55

SWS: Sorry to hear that you had a bad experience. It happens to all of us in all situations. The advice by K1001, especially points #2,4,5, are golden rules. As I have stated in many of my posts, the moto girls working the TMK strip ALL use hotels in the back alleys. If you are travelling for more than 5min, then you are being taken for a ride.

Also, I must stress that it is VITAL never to pay the girl - or mamasan - in advance. I ALWAYS say that I will pay after the act, not before. Once you have handed over the money, you lose all negotiating power. Almost all girls ask for money upon arrival at the room, but I always say "boom-boom one, money two" so they understand the order of things. I'm sure that some girls have been ripped off by customers, so getting the money up front is a legitimate concern. For one particularly skittish girl, I took out the money and put it on top of the TV to let her know that I'm going to pay. No problem after that.

I always negotiate video in advance, but I have experienced lots of girls that try to back out of video in the room. When they realise they are not going to get paid, they remember their promises very quickly.

A couple pics to ease your pain... Enjoy, AR+

One Wing Low

02-18-07, 18:37

That pic looks more like a Khmer girl eating a salamie...hehehe :-)

SexWithSmile

02-19-07, 16:13

Thank you all guys for these good golden rules. I didn't lose much money, and coming from Thailand where the sex scene is much more friendly, I don't have that good practice of handling the biking hyena's. I can say that I still got a small blow-job for $ 30 by a cute girl. Reading this forum, and practice, will help me to be stronger next time.

I am now in Mexico, ready for some Central America mongering. I'll be back to Asia in 6 months. May the Forum assist us in time of difficulties.

Fastcome

02-22-07, 09:57

OzzieSuds

02-22-07, 11:34

Hi all bros,

I will be travelling to Danang for 2 nites and HCMC for 1 nite stay early March, can bros there give some recommandation on some GF hotels to stay and some good place to do mongering. Appreciated your help.
FC

In Da Nang there is the Royal Hotel which has a nightclub next door. Take-out is available at closing time. There is also a HC that provides in-room service.

In Saigon there are GF hotels near Benh Tran market and near HBT/MTB areas. Check out details in the forum.

Dragonfly22

02-22-07, 15:47

Fast,

I was in DaNang last year and stayed at the Bamboo Green on Bach Dang St. near the river and bridge....Bamboo III they call it. Nice in room massage service. There's a disco on Dong Ha Street across from the Saigon Tourane Hotel that has take out but very expensive. Cafe Linh also across from the Tourane provides FS girls for about $75 USD room included but I prefer hunting the locals.

Dragonfly

Fastcome

02-23-07, 02:22

In Da Nang there is the Royal Hotel which has a nightclub next door. Take-out is available at closing time. There is also a HC that provides in-room service.

In Saigon there are GF hotels near Benh Tran market and near HBT/MTB areas. Check out details in the forum.
Tks bros Sudsoz & Dragonfly22 for the quick reply,
In Da Nang, I might be staying in Palm Garden in Hoi An, any action around??? How is the rate for ST /LT over there??? Tks
FC

OzzieSuds

02-23-07, 06:33

Tks bros Sudsoz & Dragonfly22 for the quick reply,
In Da Nang, I might be staying in Palm Garden in Hoi An, any action around??? How is the rate for ST /LT over there??? Tks
FC

Look under the Other Areas thread for some reports by One Wing Low.

GoodTimes2

02-24-07, 19:45

HornyAsianKid,

I have read a few of your posts and reports.

You have to understand that us white dudes that only speak English might have a little trouble in Vietnam. We dont know the language and its not as setup as some other locations. Lets take for example, Angeles City where you just go make a reservation, throw down your cash and you get some action. Its a no-brainer and everyone speaks English.

As for the unattractive pictures, I do agree that some pictures on here look a little bit rough and I know that there are better looking Asian women then this...however, you have to understand that as a white dude who knows only English, we are going to go to the most obvious place and pick up the women who seem available. These available women might not be the best looking.

So with that said, I am attracted to Vietnamese women. My question to you is this. If you where a white dude who only knew English, where in Vietnam would you go to get some quality action and how much would you pay? What would be your general routine?

Besides from the facts that SMILE noted, they are also dirty. Most likely, they carry diseases, and have to resort to being a bike girl. That is the lowest form of a call girl in vn. It's like you paying $10 to a crack***** to get off. Be more wise in your decision and always bring the girl to your hotel or no deal at all. Also hide your wallet or values particularly if you have a girl staying over night. However most hotel will give you a call when the girls leaves. What you pay for is what you get.

Columpuss

02-25-07, 04:38

GT2

Are you talking about beautiful non-pros? If that is so then you might need time to do that or good connections with viet friends or colleagues. I don't think the rules are any different from other countries. I have a friend who, where-ever he goes, he always find cute friends, and his trick is to find a cafe or restaurant where the girls work then frequent.

For beautiful pros, there are many places but prices are usually higher. As you have said, Vietnam's mongering scenes are not as obvious as the PIs or thailand. I don't understand why anyone would come to Vietnam strictly to monger. Many mongerers there are Viet expats, on business trips, or touring.

To each his own but as for me I have my bottom line, to make my little boy happy. Wine and dine a pro to get to her treasure chest is a waste of time and money. Wine and dine a non-pro to get to her treasure chest costs more, add to the possiblity for heart ache. That's a no no!

GoodTimes2

02-25-07, 07:11

So what is the mongering scene in Vietnam? What would a guy have to do or go? Just street action?

From reading, I see the hotels are not too friendly when you walk in with a woman.

GT2

Are you talking about beautiful non-pros? If that is so then you might need time to do that or good connections with viet friends or colleagues. I don't think the rules are any different from other countries. I have a friend who, where-ever he goes, he always find cute friends, and his trick is to find a cafe or restaurant where the girls work then frequent.

For beautiful pros, there are many places but prices are usually higher. As you have said, Vietnam's mongering scenes are not as obvious as the PIs or thailand. I don't understand why anyone would come to Vietnam strictly to monger. Many mongerers there are Viet expats, on business trips, or touring.

To each his own but as for me I have my bottom line, to make my little boy happy. Wine and dine a pro to get to her treasure chest is a waste of time and money. Wine and dine a non-pro to get to her treasure chest costs more, add to the possiblity for heart ache. That's a no no!

Fox Two

02-25-07, 08:15

So what is the mongering scene in Vietnam? What would a guy have to do or go? Just street action?

From reading, I see the hotels are not too friendly when you walk in with a woman.

GT2,

If you're not Viet, don't know the language, don't have any connections and only staying for a couple days then you have a bit of work to do. Check out the reports of distinction section. You'll find some helpful tips regarding place/pricing there. As a start, you could try the bars near the Bong Sen hotel on Hai Ba Trung in HCMC. It's a common watering hole for punters.

When chatting up the girls there, make sure to bring your negotiating A game. Bear in mind you're not likely to get a GFE, but you'll certainly find a "release" and perhaps even some "horizontal refreshment".

As for a hotel that is GF or not, most places will allow company til around 9-10pm. If you want info on places that allow later visits then try to make friends with the staff, (eg the doorman), tip well and ask around.

Best of luck and good hunting,

F2

HornyAsianKid

02-25-07, 18:17

HornyAsianKid,

I have read a few of your posts and reports.

You have to understand that us white dudes that only speak English might have a little trouble in Vietnam. We dont know the language and its not as setup as some other locations. Lets take for example, Angeles City where you just go make a reservation, throw down your cash and you get some action. Its a no-brainer and everyone speaks English.

As for the unattractive pictures, I do agree that some pictures on here look a little bit rough and I know that there are better looking Asian women then this...however, you have to understand that as a white dude who knows only English, we are going to go to the most obvious place and pick up the women who seem available. These available women might not be the best looking.

So with that said, I am attracted to Vietnamese women. My question to you is this. If you where a white dude who only knew English, where in Vietnam would you go to get some quality action and how much would you pay? What would be your general routine?My suggestion under your circumstance is go to a popular coffee hang out in the after noon to pick up a pro or hit the clubs at night. The best thing is find the connection in the coffee place for the night. This will be expensive. you're look at 1mil to 1.6mil for the whole night. But i prefer the whole night though because im getting more bang for my buck. pardon the pun. I know im getting at least 3 shots in before she leaves in the morning so. You can also ask her to refer her friends to you as well.

Ozirob

02-25-07, 22:47

As for a hotel that is GF or not, most places will allow company til around 9-10pm. If you want info on places that allow later visits then try to make friends with the staff, (eg the doorman), tip well and ask around.

People here are right. it is different to Thailand and other places. With exceptions of course, but on the whole its much more subtle, sort of underground. Probably a function of VN being effectively a police state.

My experience is that if you travel with a girl then you have no problem checking into hotels as a couple. Only in one upmarket resort in NhaTrang did i have to sign some sort of document that we were "married" !

If you have a local girl then the only sure way not to have problems is to book and pay for another room for her. Alternative Mini-hotels that the girls know - well use your instincts. I have never had a problem. Having said that, i have never taken a moto-girl, only girls from various bars.

Ozirob

Cool Sinbad

02-27-07, 17:01

Thanks for the advice guys. I'll keep it in mind.

Let me know if I can reciprocate if you need help in Dubai or India.

'later,

Cool Sinbad

Bleute

02-28-07, 06:11

Some of you guys should try that site.

There is a chat site in there and it is an ideal way to meet VN ladies. All ages from young to old and they have their age groups/locations there.

Also there is one section for English only which is handy.

But if you are in VN you can chat up the girls and get them to meet you. I have met a few there and have had good success. I am a 60 yr old Anglo and I have met a 21 YO girl, a 40YO woman with her own house and business, a 26 YO who still lives with parents and a 50 YO who has her own house and I stayed with her for a week.

It has been very good for me and I recommend it to members.

Don't believe that VN women are standoffish. Once they meet you and you show respect and look after them they are gems. But remember you are a walking ATM to them and you will understand their attitude better. If they want to get a Visa to another country you have to play along a bit so use some guile.

Anyway happy hunting.

LakeJune2004

03-04-07, 14:11

Hi Hak,

Too bad, I will be at SG late March.

Maybe we will be meet next time and have some fun.

Pj Brat

03-04-07, 19:13

hi, guys,

first time to hcm, have been to ben seng hotel district 1, opposite sheraton hotel. don't ask me the road i won't know haha hope my speeling for the hotel is not wrong, because i was brought there by my partner.

went in, if not mistaken is 3rd floor spa. jaguzzi, steambath and sauna with 1 hour massage is usd 9 only. that was cheap. and the service given was great, nice and clean place

then went for the massage, as i see all the girls are young and pretty, i think any one of them are looks 7/10. but this place only offer hj. asking price usd 50, but decline and she agree on usd 30, because they don't earn any money from the spa, purely on tips only.

reports:
girl number 36(cannot remember her name)
age:20 yrs
looks:8/10 young
massage: 6/10( the stepping of back was good)
hj:5/10 nothing to shout about
auto roam:yes

Ajashi

03-06-07, 09:34

Ran into Marry last week as she looked so down and depressed and tried to cheer her up successfully after long efforts. Spend four evenings with her (Sheraton, Apocalypse, Malibu>>) and got funny looks from some sides but never worried. one guy came (who didn't notice I'm with her) and told me "hey Lad, that girl has the greatest Ass in here" than I ran in an old girl friend of mine and she knew already all, and she said that she is one of the most famous girls in town. Can anyone substantiate that story? She speaks pretty good Japanese, small boobs, GREAT ass, always super dressed due to her French liaison, tall blondish.

Thanks,

Haili

Ericdbreez

03-08-07, 04:45

Does anyone want together and hang out (pick up chicks together)?

I will be in HCMC on the 25 of this month for a week. Let me know. I am Vk.

LakeJune2004

03-11-07, 03:14

Hi E B,

I am also will be at sg April 1 stay at q1 how we will meet? I am also a VK.

OzzieSuds

03-11-07, 07:34

Massage places have been hard to find in HCMC - shorts, no choice of girls, not private etc etc. But I found a place.

On Dong Do opposite Club Italia (sports bar) in an alleyway is Sachi Spa. reception downstairs and massage upstairs (steep stairs). Booths with partitions and sliding doors open at floor level. They pushed shorts at me but I waved them away.

I met my girl in the street walking to work so not sure if they have line-up. Sorry details staying private.

Massage VND130k extras negotiable. I got gear off BJ plus for VND500k but had to negotiate.

Closing time is 21.00 pm and extra assignments are possible.

HornyAsianKid

03-11-07, 20:19

I forgot the name of it but it's on Le Quy Don. It's an Egytian theme place. One of you guys will know the name. It's open till 5AM everyday. I usually go there after the club if im not with a girl already. I also met two girls after work as well. Didnt have time to close the deal with them. It's a very clean, thorough place. Has all the amenities you are looking for. I think they have just finished renovating it. A tip to get a nice massage girl is asking the workers in the back. Tell what you want in a girl and they'll steer you to one of your liking. 20k tip will do the trick. The ticket is around 100k, and tip is usually 200k for me. I tip the workers if i need foot massage or my back scrub, 50k per services. All the girls have let me touch them on the finish. It's good to be polite and charming and respectful. Dont go in with an attitude like they are like your servant. Have fun. A second place is next Vivas club.

HornyAsianKid

03-11-07, 20:21

Massage is those 5 star hotel are a waste of money and time.

Please trust me.

Pokey Penguin

03-14-07, 16:07

Where can I find older working girls in HCMC? Like, in their 30s. All the girls I see are young.

Pokey Penguin

03-14-07, 16:19

Has anyone had an experience in the Hot Tocs located in Q. 5 on Tran Hung Dao St? Would appreciate hearing details about the price, facilities, and what happened.

I have wandered by these places a few times, and I can see they have some great looking girls, but. I want to sit down and have a beer and contemplate who I will choose, like I used to do in Thailand. Instead. I have to walk by furtively. I can't stop and really look the girls over because everybody on the street is staring at me. I feel too self-conscious to even stop walking for a minute and look them over.

And if I go inside, I will be pressured to make a decision immediately, I suspect. I did go in once and they said that a massage was $10. I thought that was too much, as I know the usual price in a hot toc for a massage is 50, 000 dong, with any extras negotiated later.

I have never seen anybody go in these places, yet I imagine there must be customers. How is it done? What is the proper price? Grateful to hear your experiences.

And yes, I know. I'm not in Thailand anymore.

Whisper1

03-15-07, 07:12

Where can I find older working girls in HCMC? Like, in their 30s. All the girls I see are young.

You can find older girls at Caravell or Sheraton. However, they are usually in their late 20s. Girls you are in their 30s are usually married and have gotten out of the business. If older girls are your flavor, try picking them up at restuarants and other places. One of the advatanges is you don't have to pay for them.

Casey2005

03-15-07, 08:12

I recently visited Thailand. What a dramatic difference! You are treated much better and it's cheaper. In many of the bars the women are very friendly and there is little or no pressure to buy a lady a drink or to barfine her. You don't feel like every moment they are trying to squeeze money out of you. Thailand is a more rich and developed nation than Vietnam so it's suprising that being serviced here is more expensive. According to the Lonely Planet guidebook the daily minimum wage in Bangkok is $4.50 US. In contrast, a lot of the people I know in HCMC are earning 40,000 VND ($2.50 US) each day for 8 to 12 hours of work. Many of the women in Thailand are quite happy with 1,000 baht ($30 US) while in HCMC the women in the bars seem to want at least $50 US. The girl I chatted with the other night in the backpacker area wanted $60 for an hour. I think you have to look outside of district 1 for better deals. I found a good hot toc place in district 10. Shouldn't cost more than 200,000 VND if you don't come with a xe om and negotiate beforehand. It's at 134 Ho Ba Kien, F. 15, Q. 10

Casey2005

03-15-07, 08:17

Massage is those 5 star hotel are a waste of money and time.

Please trust me.True. I find that you get better and more personalized service at the cheaper (50,000 VND) massage places that the locals go to. At a five star hotel the girls are probably used to and expect big tips.

Vietnamboy

03-15-07, 16:18

Anyone know what are the rate for girls along Nguyen Thi Minh Khanh?

Saw some cute and lovely gals when driving past this evening... thinking to have a try tommorrow.

Any good short-term hotel nearby for recommendation?

Columpuss

03-16-07, 04:14

vnboy

some of those girls are tricky, going through your wallet while you are in the shower and such. Be really careful, take them to your territory instead of theirs. The locals use their services because of the price, I wouldn't recommend them to foreign mongerers.

Bleute

03-16-07, 12:39

Plenty of RTFF massage chatter on this site. I am returning to HCM City in early April and want to go to have a massage somewhere near Pham Ngo Lau.

I'll be staying in a hotel there and spending my time in the area. Having not been over to VN for 5 years things will have changed. Any information would be valued.

Vietnamboy

03-17-07, 10:20

Hi Columpuus,

Thanks for your advice. Any idea what is the market price?

Regards,

Vnboy

vnboy

some of those girls are tricky, going through your wallet while you are in the shower and such. Be really careful, take them to your territory instead of theirs. The locals use their services because of the price, I wouldn't recommend them to foreign mongerers.

Wendella

03-17-07, 17:29

To Gumby,

You are expected to choose a girl fairly quickly in those hot toc places, and no they don't serve beer. ;-) You get a massage in a back room, usually separated by curtains from other customers -- a bit like being in a hospital. Anyway, before long your private nurse will make an attempt to escalate things and I think she lets you know how much that upgrade will cost. Trying to remember. It was HJ only, in my experience at least, and some groping and snuggling. Anyway, it's ok. Not bad. Now this is at one of those particular hot tocs that I think you are talking about, which are in an area with a few hotels and where Tran Hung Dao becomes narrower. Service at hot tocs in other areas probably are different. For example out on Dien Bien Phu in Binh Thanh district, where BJ is the norm.

Columpuss

03-18-07, 11:47

I did it once 3 years ago with the bike girl, I had a good experience but i forgot how much I paid her. their price shouldn't be above 200. good luck

i hope other mongerers can answer your question accordingly

Macman

03-18-07, 19:12

Anyone want to hook up?

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OzzieSuds

03-19-07, 05:57

Discussion from photo thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by Surfer
IMHO the best looking VN girls I have EVER seen are in Orange County, California! Particular the waitresses at the coffee shops near little Saigon like Cafe Vanh #2. Quote

Comment by Fw190

Quote: That's an interesting observation. Similarly, I think that the VN food in the US is actually better than the VN food in VN. Don't know why. Maybe better ingredients? Quote

Asian food in western countries always has some adjustments to make it more palatable to the locals but that does not mean it is better. Quite frankly some of the thai and vietnamese food served in the west is quite bland because all of the spices and heat has been taken out of it.

In my view the vietnamese do a much better job of producing western food than the westerners do in producing vietnamese food.

Now some of these comments can be equally made about the girls in these places. I have no doubt that the girls in VN dress a little more conservatively than their VN sisters in Orange County but that does not mean that they are less attractive. To me there is very little more enticing than a nice VN hottie in a very unrevealing Aoi Dai.

I also have no doubt that the girls in HCMC are much more friendly and easy to deal with compared to their sisters in the west who have acquired western attitudes.

Vietnamboy

03-19-07, 06:54

Hi Bro,

Tried one of the gal. Not too bad at VND 250,000 for 1 hr.

Happen to move around the area again the next day, realised that there isn't much choice as the handful of gals are limited.

Cheers.

I did it once 3 years ago with the bike girl, I had a good experience but i forgot how much I paid her. their price shouldn't be above 200. good luck

I hope other mongerers can answer your question accordingly

Chesterubi

03-19-07, 11:37

Last week visited a bar called Su’s on Thai something street parallel to Hai Ba Trung. The bar is quite small with two pool tables, one in a private room in the back. Got there a bit late 11:30 pm, but was told will stay open until 3 am, so not to many girls available. Picked the best of the bunch and proceeded to chat and play pool. After a couple of games was asked if I wanted to go to a mini hotel, but it was already midnight and I had had a few drinks so turned her down.

At this point she informed me that they had a living room, “shag pad” upstairs that we could use. We went upstairs into a living room with two big sofas and a table with plenty of room around, suitable for an orgy if ever I saw a place. It also has a bathroom attached for cleaning up after, bring your own towels though.

We got down to business and spent the next 30 mins going through HJ, BJ, FS. She was well into the experience as I had already warmed her up down in the pool room. It cost me US 50 for the experience, which is not bad considering I did not have to pay for a mini hotel. Oh, bring your own condoms as they don’t have any on the premises.

Rocco Gutt

03-19-07, 21:26

Elvis1969

03-21-07, 10:38

Nice report Chesterubi.

I think you are talking about Thai Van Lung street. I live near there. However, I've never noticed it. I will look for it now. Is it near Apocalypse Now? Regarding the "Shag pad," was it a big room? Could any other customer just walk in on you during the deed?

For other mongers, I noticed a lot of dark bia-om like facilities popping up on Le Thanh Ton near Thai Van Lung. I've walked passed "Insomnia" and a place name, Beng Beng, or something like that. Always cute girls sitting outside. Has anyone been inside these new places? Some info would be nice.

Last week visited a bar called Su’s on Thai something street parallel to Hai Ba Trung. The bar is quite small with two pool tables, one in a private room in the back. Got there a bit late 11:30 pm, but was told will stay open until 3 am, so not to many girls available. Picked the best of the bunch and proceeded to chat and play pool. After a couple of games was asked if I wanted to go to a mini hotel, but it was already midnight and I had had a few drinks so turned her down.

At this point she informed me that they had a living room, “shag pad” upstairs that we could use. We went upstairs into a living room with two big sofas and a table with plenty of room around, suitable for an orgy if ever I saw a place. It also has a bathroom attached for cleaning up after, bring your own towels though.

We got down to business and spent the next 30 mins going through HJ, BJ, FS. She was well into the experience as I had already warmed her up down in the pool room. It cost me US 50 for the experience, which is not bad considering I did not have to pay for a mini hotel. Oh, bring your own condoms as they don’t have any on the premises.

Elvis1969

03-21-07, 10:40

Sorry for the mix up. Apocalypse is on Thi Sach street.

Teyes

03-22-07, 03:09

Hi,

New World is a high end hotel that restrict locals to move freely, even before end of visiting hours (9 or 10pm). Security guard (at lobby) might stop the girl if she looks too obvious.

There is a passage between Catwalk and NW hotel, no need to pass thru main entrance. I dont know about Catwalk girls.

Most mini-hotels are GF. You can get her in day or night. Make sure the girl has her ID card.

You can stay at NW and rent another room. Most mini-hotel accepts ID with photo.

I will arrive in HCMC friday 30.3. and stay there for two weeks. I have still not decided where to stay regarding hotel. The two options are New World Hotel or some little hotel around pham ngo lao street or De Tham. You can say Hi class or close to the vietnamese streetlife. It depends a bit on guest friendliness..

Does anyone know if New World Hotell is a "guest friendly" hotel that lets you have visitors in your room?

Are you allowed to bring girls from Catwalk to your room? It might be looked at as "inhouse" action(?).

If a hotell has a policy that you can not bring guest after a certain time, lik for example 9 p.m., does that mean that you are free to bring visitors to your room all day until 9 p.m.?

Are the smaller hotels in the area around pham ngo lao and de tham guest friendly?

Of course it is possible to stay at New World and also rent at cheap room around de tham as long as I'm in town. But it is possible that it will be a problem having only one passport?

Even if this might be a RTFF I would appreciate an answer.

OzzieSuds

03-23-07, 11:08

OzzieSuds

03-24-07, 04:50

There has been speculation about taking girls from Catwalk to New World without going downstairs but we never got a clear answer. Same speculation about Renaissance and Club Royale.

Be aware that girls from Catwalk and Club Royale are high end primma donnas - US$100 and up for short time and don't mess up my makeup etc etc etc.

If you stay at New World you can probably get an entertaining room nearby for about $20.

New World is quite a ways from the centre of District 1 around Dong Koi - too far to walk on a regular basis.

There are a number of small GF hotels around Mac Thi Boui, Thi Sach, Dong Do etc. Look at backpackers websites for places less than US$30.

Not going to give names here for obvious reasons.

The GF hotels will keep the girls ID until she leaves and they will call you to make sure everything is OK when she does leave. If you bypass recption at the big hotels you will not have this security.

SaltyDog

03-25-07, 02:19

Going up the street for 2 blocks there's some nice hotels to stay for about 20-25 usd. The 1st one on the left is where I stayed. I like to have noodles about 10pm and then go inside to my room. You might have some luck there with the nite guy. The motogirls that show up all nite long as I can hear the elevator ding ding ding. They are in too much of a hurry though so better to get your own. Try the 51, Bar-Billards at 51 Hai Ba Trung St. , Ben Nghe Ward. Dist 1. Go there and negotiate always when having your soda. There is a billard table upstairs though, hmmm. When I walked in about 9: 30pm I was the only guy and there were maybe 15 girls that will go to your hotel. Isn't it nice to get the call from the hotel afterwards asking if everything is ok and can the girl go.

OzzieSuds

03-26-07, 01:12

Mostly what you get is pretty small to medium and they wear massive padding in their bras so looks can decieve.

I was fondling a nice sized set last night in the bar on Cao Ba Quat near Camarque. The girls have no bras there which is nice. But the mama is greedy on take-out price.

OzzieSuds

03-26-07, 01:17

forget which food is better. what i know is, the country with the worst food culture is taking over vietnam. I hope KFC will fall flat on its face as it is trying to convince vietnamese that they are selling "chicken."

I agree - these Americans think the food is better there because it is modified to their taste.

As for the takeover there is now a Gloria Jeans coffee joint competing with VN coffee in Saigon. Next will be Starbucks. All downhill from there.

SaltyDog

03-26-07, 01:23

Have you been to the KFC on the 4the floor of the Diamond Plaza? The chicken is not pressure cooked there and I thought it was pretty good. Got 2 bowling alleys there and a Pizza Hut. Big arcade and many young ladies hanging out looking for fun. KFC bad here but good there. On the way back home if you stop in Korea don't eat the food on the tour. It will make you sick. Spending 2 weeks in VN with no problem and 8 hours in Korea with big problem on plane. The bad food is in Korea.

Happy Harry

03-26-07, 01:51

Have you guys noticed an inflation in price?

I use to buy a meal at this fabulous shop for 15000 and all of a sudden it went to 25000. I've allow noticed this inflation amongst many other things.

Is this normal, the usual new year inflation? or is it something else?

Cheers,

UH

Redfield10

03-26-07, 07:27

Jacopo

03-26-07, 16:08

Club Royale very nice. Bit pricey but good selection of girls. Minimum charge for Karoke VIP is 4.5m dong. Get there by 8.30pm or all gone.

Rocking disco in district 5 at Tokyo Hotel disco on top floor.

Teyes

03-26-07, 17:50

Sudsoz,

From the main entrance to catwalk/casino, there is a stairway on the left. Will lead you to the mezzanine of the hotel, for the room elevators I dont remember if you have to walk down to main floor. Didn't pay attention if camera around.

Have you ever been to Q.11, been told some local action there.

There has been speculation about taking girls from Catwalk to New World without going downstairs but we never got a clear answer. Same speculation about Renaissance and Club Royale.

Teyes

03-26-07, 18:03

You can find C cups but watch out lots of nike air bra. I've never seen D before.
I know that implants are getting popular so by fall '08 you might see few silicon Ds.

Hello all,

I'm planning to visit my hometown for the first time sometime next year in late Fall 2008. Any chance of finding girls with large breasts?

OzzieSuds

03-27-07, 01:16

Can anyone give me a list of some girl friendly hotels in District 1? And, is the Indochine hotel girl friendly? I guess I'd be looking near HBT, etc. Not too expensive..say under 40 US??

My rule of thumb is that $30 and under is normally girls freindly. For listings look at backpacker and other cheap accomodation sites.

OzzieSuds

03-27-07, 01:18

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Have you ever been to Q.11, been told some local action there.

Most of the outer districts have Hot Toc (haircut plus) and Bia Om (beer + girls) action but no english is spoken and there have been some reports of rough experiences.

Elvis1969

03-27-07, 04:41

I have seen a couple of bars in this area but never seen anything really attractive inside. Never seen a place called Su's. There is a popular Karaoke called Papa's but the girls don't seem to do much more than sing.

The billiards bar near to Camargue Restaurant has an upstairs room that is pretty private but it has a billiard table and the mama is greedy. Pity - there are some nice girls there.

I have also noticed a loud disco type place opposite the Wild Horse Restaurant. The pickings at about 10 pm did not have a lot of class so I moved on.The loud disco you hear is a local club call "Boulevard." They just renovated the place as it used to be upstairs. Now they have taken over the downstairs, which used to be some pizza joint. There's a better bar slightly down Thai Van Lung, right next to Skewers, called "Miss Digan." Much better but not too sure if the girls will go home with you. Never asked.

I still need to make my way into "Bin Bin" on Le Thanh Ton, "Pa-Pa" on Thai Van Lung, and now I see these new small bia-om like places on the side streets of Le Thanh Ton. Weird.

Anybody been to the places mentioned above? Scouting report please.

But I did see this new small diner on Le Thanh Ton near Bottom Line. It looks pretty cool with a 50's design and motif. I will definitely check that out.

HornyAsianKid

03-27-07, 06:23

OzzieSuds

03-27-07, 11:48

I have noticed a recent trend of the last 3 year that a lot of girl are getting implants or as Teyes said "nike air bras." Personally, i'm an ass man and prefer the natural thing regardless. The common sense test will most of the time be right. If a girl is 5ft and 95lbs, there no way in she can grow Cs or Ds. It's very rare to find a viet girl with Ds. mostly Bs.

I dont understand why everyone wants to stay at those big hotels for. It's such a hassle, waste of money, and most importantly gf unfriendly. Most of the hotel on le thanh ton or ly tu trong are new, clean, and are around $30 and under. Save your money for the girls.

Yes - the logic is all there. They want to put the prices up so they can go out and buy bolt-on tits which we the punters do not want.

Your comments on the hotels are spot-on. The small ones have all the facilities I need with good personal service. I just use the lobbies of the big hotels if I need to meet someone.

OzzieSuds

03-27-07, 12:00

I was in the Billiards bar near to Camargue Rest and the ladies have a new uniform. Off the shoulder tops with NO bras and short black skirts. There are some nice natural sets on display. Mamasan is still greedy though.

OzzieSuds

03-28-07, 11:16

MrFish

03-29-07, 19:56

I will arrive in HCMC friday 30.3. and stay there for two weeks. I have still not decided where to stay regarding hotel. The two options are New World Hotel or some little hotel around pham ngo lao street or De Tham. You can say Hi class or close to the vietnamese streetlife. It depends a bit on guest friendliness..

Does anyone know if New World Hotell is a "guest friendly" hotel that lets you have visitors in your room?

Are you allowed to bring girls from Catwalk to your room? It might be looked at as "inhouse" action(?).

If a hotell has a policy that you can not bring guest after a certain time, lik for example 9 p.m., does that mean that you are free to bring visitors to your room all day until 9 p.m.?

Are the smaller hotels in the area around pham ngo lao and de tham guest friendly?

Of course it is possible to stay at New World and also rent at cheap room around de tham as long as I'm in town. But it is possible that it will be a problem having only one passport?

Even if this might be a RTFF I would appreciate an answer.The nw is a pain in the ass completly impossible at night I was one year back there during tet 2006 hotel was may be 20%full same as sgn during tet so I know after 10 pm hard so I was friendly and said we book one room for my 2 friends front desk guy sayes no possible all fully booked. Hello,, it was 10 pm we were 7 people in lobby 1 guy open door one security one duty magaer in the office behind reception and 2 ladys and 1 friend and my self, and they guy told me fully booked. If you know sgn at 10 pm 5 star loby is like a bee house, I say you boy lie to me do you look araound?

Fullybooked. Do you take new drugs. So I called the duty manager. He agree on 20% but can't give room tomuch camera and police he say sorry I say sorry to hasta la vista nw and took small hotel close for 30 usd free loundry no pb. If you have someting consitend and you wanne stay 5 star book under her name let her pay cash as usally no cc than she walk in registred you go 2 m elevaterride later you will not be ask as farang if you life here be smart and fuck the bloody coorupt system.

Elvis1969

03-30-07, 10:14

PaPa Bar on Thai Van Lung is a straight forward Karaoke place.
Private rooms, singing, a little touchy feely but not much else. I did see some small booths for 1-2 guys but the girls seem to sit opposite a small table. I arranged to meet one of these girls outside but it was going to be a long slow effort to get some action.Thanks for the feedback on Pa-Pa, Sudsoz. I noticed you can't find Su bar either. Funny thing is, there's like 3 bars that sounds like Su bar. There's Chu bar on Dong Khoi, Xu bar on Hai Ba Trung and Q bar near the opera house. But none of these bars fit the description that Chesterubi mentioned.

Chesterubi, care to provide more details about the location of Su bar?

Anyways, what I'm really waiting for is the kind of establishments like in Bangkok where they have fish bowls. The closest thing they had here was Amara hotel in one of the karaoke lounge. They lined up 12-15 girls in front of you and you picked one. You drink ($10 a beer - I shit you not) for a few minutes and then take em up to the room upstairs. Total damage was about $150 USD ($70 - girl and $80- room). Yeah, a little too expensive for my taste. But they got busted. Not sure if they are open again.

If anyone knows of any fishbowl like that here, PLEASE let us know.

OzzieSuds

03-31-07, 00:37

The upstairs bar at the Amara is closed at present and the KTV at the back (past all the boilers and garbage collection/sorting) is still operating.
This is typical KTV where you choose from a lineup then drink overpriced liquor and sing a little with female company. But no action and no takout - we went there because one of the guys was staying in the hotel and he tried everything.

Elvis1969

03-31-07, 04:58

No action eh? Odd. I went there with my boss, about almost a year ago. I paid $10 for a beer. My boss and his client took 2 girls upstairs for some action. He told me it was $150 total. I said no thanks. But I know they got busetd by the police. Probably didn't "lobby" the right people or got in an disagreement with the cops.

Anyways, I guess that karaoke at Amara isn't doing it anymore.

OzzieSuds

03-31-07, 11:27

Yes it seems the old bar upstairs had a good (bad) reputation and that can often be the problem. If the delivery becomes too well known it can be hard to pay enough money or people to keep it going.

Wendella

03-31-07, 17:01

the su bar that chesterubi is talking about may have a new name now. anyway it is on the same block as papa, in the middle of the block, just a couple doors uphill from it. there's a gate in front of it. of all the bars of that type (think 49 bar on hbt), it has to be the worst of them all. i think i saw one cute girl in there about 3 yrs ago, and not another since. no idea how they keep the place going. never see customers there, and rent must be high in that neighborhood.

anyway, chu bar is an expat bar with live band, if you feel like hearing some live carpenters. q bar is a pricey/trendy nightclub type bar -- expats and rich vn. xu i haven't been to but hear its about same as q bar. these are all straight places, not in the same category (hello darling!) as the hai ba trung bars (49, 51, u2 etc). su bar is in that category. or tries to be at least.

ben ben (sp?) is worth a visit. one night i went, it was packed with girls, this around 9pm. just absurd number of girls in there. the one i sat with said they had 30. i think a bar that had just closed on hbt sent its staff over there, so they now had double. went again later and the number had reduced a bit, but still has quite a few. another tiny little bar opened just next to it, other side of the alley. peeked in and saw a pretty motley group in there. very claustrophobic -- but things change. maybe it'll improve later.

boulevard was small and dull (and loud). had one drink, left.

so what are these 'small bia-om type places on the side streets off le thanh ton'...? there are some alleys that have japanese bars -- is that what you mean? need a better desciption of what it looks like and its location. if the girls wear ao dais, it's japanese bar. lots of japanese bars on ltt and nearby.

OzzieSuds

04-01-07, 06:10

The nw is a pain in the ass completly impossible at night I was one year back there during tet 2006 hotel was may be 20%full same as sgn during tet so I know after 10 pm hard so I was friendly and said we book one room for my 2 friends front desk guy sayes no possible all fully booked. Hello,, it was 10 pm we were 7 people in lobby 1 guy open door one security one duty magaer in the office behind reception and 2 ladys and 1 friend and my self, and they guy told me fully booked. If you know sgn at 10 pm 5 star loby is like a bee house, I say you boy lie to me do you look araound?

Fullybooked. Do you take new drugs. So I called the duty manager. He agree on 20% but can't give room tomuch camera and police he say sorry I say sorry to hasta la vista nw and took small hotel close for 30 usd free loundry no pb. If you have someting consitend and you wanne stay 5 star book under her name let her pay cash as usally no cc than she walk in registred you go 2 m elevaterride later you will not be ask as farang if you life here be smart and fuck the bloody coorupt system.

Would appreciate a translation of this into ENGLISH!

Can you advise on the first floor connection from Catwalk to New World Hotel elevators - are there cameras, security?

OzzieSuds

04-01-07, 06:14

I have been into that bar a couple of doors up from Papas - it has a garage at the front with a billiard table. Name definitely not Su or anything like it. I only ever sat at the bar counter. They say they have rooms upstairs but I never found the cattle that interesting.

There is another bar further up the hill near the corner - again not much in the way of cattle.

Where is Ben Ben?

Wendella

04-01-07, 14:53

I'm pretty sure it USED TO be called Su Bar. I know it isn't now. Maybe the original guy who mentioned it can clear this up, let us know if this is the one he means. I don't remember the current name. The one up further on the corner has gone thru many name changes, and it's now called Chot Nho (don't know English translation). They both stink tho.

Ben Ben is down at the start of Le Thanh Ton (it's a one way, so where you start to drive UP Le Thanh Ton). It's just to the left of the bar that's called Insomnia now (was called Gecko Bar before). It's very easy to miss. Street number is probably 3, 5 or 7.

Mr Fish may be from Singapore or somewhere, Eng is prob his 2nd language... but I think if you just talk to someone inside Catwalk (girl, mamasan) they'll know all the details.

Chesterubi

04-05-07, 10:50

This sounds like the place I was talking about. There is a garage with a pool table and then you walk through to a small bar area. Past this is another room with a bigger better pool table. To get to the back room you pass a stairwell which gives access to the two rooms upstairs.

The rooms are quite large, over 4 m by 4 m, with attached bathroom. As I mentioned in my report it was after midnight and I had had a few jars so I am sure someone told me the name was Su's bar, or maybe that was the name of the girl.

As for the quality of the talent, once again I had had a few jars, but then sometimes a 10 will give a poor performance and a 6 will knock your socks off. Often its about chemistry, not about the looks.

Hopefully I will get back again soon and confirm the name and the quality of talent.
I have been into that bar a couple of doors up from Papas. It has a garage at the front with a billiard table. Name definitely not Su or anything like it. I only ever sat at the bar counter. They say they have rooms upstairs but I never found the cattle that interesting.

There is another bar further up the hill near the corner. Again not much in the way of cattle.

Where is Ben Ben?

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Hi Chesterubi,

It appears that you inadverently forgot to correctly place the quote tags in this report. Usually I can fix this sort of thing before it's displayed, but I don't have a clue as to how you intended this report to appear.

The quote tags are simple to use, all you have to do is look for them in the text. Anything that you want to appear in quotes must start with "[quote]" and end with "[/quote ]". It's that simple.

In addition, you can preview your report before it's posted, so it's easy to check if you got it right before it's displayed in The Forum.

Thanks,

Jackson

Troposcat

04-06-07, 13:52

I have been to Cambodia, Indonesia, and Thailand. I had a great time in all three countries. Also, this was the first and only time I had ever been to these countries. I still have to say I enjoyed Cambodia the most as far as mongoring goes. I'm taking a vacation in July and I'm trying to decide whether to go back to Cambodia or go to Vietnam for the first time. I was hoping some of you could give me some of your opinions.

Columpuss

04-06-07, 14:40

cheaper and less strict in cambodia
stay there

Wendella

04-06-07, 16:57

Originally Posted by Sudsoz
I still need to make my way into "Bin Bin" on Le Thanh Ton, "Pa-Pa" on Thai Van Lung, and now I see these new small bia-om like places on the side streets of Le Thanh Ton. Weird.

Sudosz: Can you give more information about these new small bia-om places?

thanks

Hardlock1

04-07-07, 06:33

Hi Everyone,

I visited Ho Chi Minh City during the month of March. I was not able to get to meet any of you guys who live there, and I guess it is a good thing! I could not get out, anyway! It seems my wife and her three sisters were sitting for me, and had all ideas that I was not going to get to do anything! Even when I went to the bathroom, I had an escort, to make sure I could not get out the back door. Ha ha Anyway, I wanted you to know, in Phu Nhuan, on Nguyen Khem Street, right across from where Thich Quang Duc Street ends, there is a hotel, I forget the name of it, but on the 6th floor is a Massage Parlor. 70k Dong for a one hour Massage, and you negotiate any extras. 200k dong will get you what you want. Also, on Phan Dang Luu, also in Phu Nhuan, there is a huge Massage place called Nguyen Huu, not far from the corner of Pham Xich Loan Street, that charges 60k for an hour massage, but you better negotiate very hard, unless you are asian. White skin in that place tells them you will pay more. I'm afraid I paid a little too much, however, all's well that ends well. Ha ha Now, all that being said, I have several friends here in the States that are Viet Kieu, and wouldnt you know it? After I got back, they decided to tell me about all the good places downtown in District 1, and when I get all the particulars, I will post it here. Be aware, from what they said, if you know someone who frequents those places, and have a name to give them that they recognize, your negotiations for extra services will go no higher that 50k or 75k Dong, for full service! And you see? Secrets are still kept, but friends are golden! Ha ha.

OzzieSuds

04-08-07, 01:26

Sudosz: Can you give more information about these new small bia-om places?

thanks

Not my post - I believe it was Elvis1969.

Wendella

04-08-07, 06:44

OzzieSuds

04-09-07, 02:23

Silly Puppy

04-10-07, 00:10

"Be aware, from what they said, if you know someone who frequents those places, and have a name to give them that they recognize, your negotiations for extra services will go no higher that 50k or 75k Dong, for full service!"

That is not true! There is no way on earth that you can get fs for 50 to 75k. Your friends are either liars or not true mongers. Ask them to come here and chat with us. I will show them how mis-informed they are. For all of you non-asian and can't speak Vietnamese, you may have to pay more because they EXPECT you to do so. But be firm with them once you know the price. In massage place the average hj price in District 1 is 100 to 150K. Some of my Caucasian/Chinese friends ended up paid them 200k or 250k because they didn't want to let the girls down or the girls kept asking for more even I already told the girls not to charge them more than 150k. If hj is 100 to 150k the 75k fs is completely bs.

Txmanny

04-10-07, 16:21

Wendella - a couple of weeks ago I was in this Le Than Ton area on my own early evening and tried two of these small japanese places with ladies in Aoi Dai. No action, no takeout no nothing.

I did find a couple of small quite bars with nice ladies where there was clearly no action in the bars but the girls were pleased to give me a phone number for a later liaison. One of them was a smallish girl with the best set of natural hooters I have seen in VN. One of these bars was east of Thi Sach and the other one to the west of it near the VN BBQ place.

In order to arrange for after hrs activities with these ladies you must be a frequent visitor to the establishment. Once you have established yourself at the business you will have access to services not available the first time around.

OzzieSuds

04-11-07, 03:14

Came across this news item.

"April 6, 2007

Chu Hoang Thao Tram
Ho Chi Minh City police raided the Quang Hotel in District 1 Tuesday, cracking a major prostitution ring that provided women for affluent clients and arrested its leader, who also worked as a prostitute.

Chu Hoang Thao Tram, 29, who was caught red-handed "entertaining" a customer in the raid, had allegedly supplied girls to wealthy businessmen at USD $100 per customer. "

Anyone heard of Quang hotel or this lady Tram?

Whisper1

04-11-07, 08:07

AdHome01

04-11-07, 16:40

OzzieSuds

04-11-07, 22:06

Here's a link with a little more info. The part about "gender-conversion" is a little scary.

http://www.thanhniennews.com/society/?catid=3&newsid=26747

I ignored that since I figured it was probably something put in by the gov't to scare off some punters.

I don't have a problem avoiding ladyboys.

Elvis1969

04-12-07, 05:47

Oops.

Elvis1969, Can you give any more information about these new small bia-om places you mentioned? Did they have girls in the long Vietnamese traditional dresses? Those are standard at the Japanese bars that are all over that area.

thanksHey Wendella. Sorry but I have been away. Yes, I think you maybe right. I walked around that area, around "Bin Bin" and there are a few small alleys with some girls hanging around. One of the places is named "Y Lan Princess."
I think they are Japanese bars/restaurants. I've never noticed but there are a ton of Japanese bars/restaurants on Le Thanh Ton.

Like Sudsoz said, the more you frequent there, the more the girls will open up to you. Literally. heh heh.

Wendella

04-18-07, 08:04

There's a new addition on Hai Ba Trung, at #35. Just opened last week. It's really small but the selection of girls is pretty good quality. They're mostly drawn from other bars in the same scene (U2, Bin Bin, etc.). Mostly familiar faces. But worth a visit, it definitely holds its own.

So to round up:

On Mac Thi Buoi there is the infamous U2 bar, which is the raunchiest of the whole bunch. It has a reputation for having girls on the rough side (some older ones and a few that aren't too attractive) but there are at least a couple there who are young and fairly hot. Once in awhile they'll get a new batch, and there've been periods where the hottest girls were at this one. Not lately though, not for over a year. (The stars of U2 will eventually move on to other bars, btw).

There's a small newish bar a few doors down, going toward Dong Khoi (middle of the block) which is ok. Small, not much selection, and usually when I go there it looks like a clear step below.

(the Crystal Bar that was there a long long time, down a ways further on this block, is shut now, gone for good).

There is the corner bar just near U2 (and also a few doors down from the new #35) (corner of Mac Thi Buoi). That one is OK, average compared to other bars in this scene. It can get a bit raunchy, but not to the degree that U2 does - though more than most, I'd say. These things fluctuate though, depending on who you are with.

Now as you round that corner and head up Hai Ba Trung from #35, there is the next side street Dong Du. There's one little bar there near the corner of HBT called Saigon NY. It's very friendly there, very small, and girls are hit and miss. Slightly below average, I'd say. They're less pushy and generally more human than most of the bars though. More comfortable.

Back around to HBT again, and you hit #49. This one has the very convenient back room, where things can get friskier. The selection is fairly large and good, better than average. Not as raunchy as U2 generally, but surprises can happen.

#51 next door is about the same. No back room but an upstairs mezzanine serves the same purpose. Better than average selection and quality. This one seems to get new girls more often than most, and the occassional gorgeous one. They seem to leave pretty quickly though.

Until recently there was a bar in the middle of this block called Nana that closed over a month ago, and all its girls (and mamasan) moved to Bin Bin, which has been talked about here. (see below)

Up from there, it's #91. Lots of girls, probably the best quality and consistency of the whole bunch. There are times when other bars will get better, but over the long run, I think this one takes it. It's also the least frisky in general, though. And it's pretty certain the kinds of things that happen in U2 won't happen here.

Moving on. Going off HBT, over to where Camargue and Vasco are, (if you see the KFC diagonally across HBT from where #91 is, go down THAT side street). On a small block one block away from HBT, you'll see a bar with a smile face -- that bar. It's ok. Big bar, at times it has tons of girls, at others very few (strange). Selection is slightly above average, or slightly below, depending on your luck that night... here things get quite frisky. Upstairs they have one big pool room w 2 tables and another smaller one. Things get much more entertaining upstairs.

Around the corner on Thai Van Lung, there are a few bars just on the other side of Le Thanh Ton (heading north, and uphill a bit).

The first is called just "3" now. I think it was called Su in the past. Small bar, selection usually quite bad and below average. Maybe its changed but I've given this one a try from time to time and just never see anything worth sticking around for.

On the corner of Le Thanh Ton, at the top of the "hill" is a bar that is now called Chot Nho. Back in the day it was called Greenfields. Selection and quality here is definitely below average.

Last in our list is Bin Bin. This is the one at the start of Le Thanh Ton, at about #9 Le Thanh Ton (guessing here). Stopped there last week and there were 20 (I counted) at around 9:30pm. (and some were already upstairs with customers, so there's more) Quality quite good. It has an upstairs for further entertainment. This one can get quite frisky. A few months ago this was a little bar with about 5 girls, but it definitely turned a lot more serious aroudn the time Nana closed.

Almost forgot: just across the alley (#7?) is a brand new tiny little bar, a sliver of a place, with just a few girls that didn't look very enticing. Don't remember the name.

I think that covers all of them. If I missed anything, feel free to add.

I'd say the top tier of these bars (in terms of likelihood of finding a stunning girl) includes #35, #49, #51 and #91 on HBT, and also Bin Bin now on LTT. Middle tier would be the Smiley bar, the corner bar on HBT and maybe Saigon NY. The rest are in the lower tier. Usually disappointing with the very occassional surprise. U2 makes up for its shortcomings in other ways, but would probably have to go in the middle tier in terms of looks. Lower tier on a bad night. The bars on Thai Van Lung, I don't even bother with at this point. They're not even trying to get a good selection of girls in those places.

By the way, walking up Le Thanh Ton, one of the Japanese bars tried hard to get me to come in and said it's ok not expensive, don't worry. So I'll check that out later sometime, details to come. What I have heard from a girl who works in one of these places is that they charge a ton for everything but don't get many customers. Going for the Japanese market means excluding non-Japanese. But it's a gamble, obviously. If they're popular, great. If not, it's death. I notice very few of the Japanese bars will actually turn a white away (some will though -- Cupid bar, for example). So it seems they could make some kind of happy medium. If they could, they'd make a lot more money. There's a lot of the expats who are tired of the same few old HBT bars, with the same bunch of girls just moving around from bar to bar. There were about twice as many of them back in 2003, so many have shut down.

Back in the day, there were also tons of Hot Tocs on Dien Bien Phu in Binh Thanh district that offered special services. The vast majority of those seem to be gone now. Can anyone update us on the status of those these days?

OzzieSuds

04-18-07, 11:58

Wendella has taken the time and trouble to write a very detailed report on the current bars - this is the stuff that should go into ''Reports of Distinction'' and not some floss from a newby.

As always opinions differ.

I think U2 is living on its reputation rather than its current services. Since they renovated they no longer have the notorious upstairs loom so there is only the dark shadows at the back.

My understanding is that the new bar in the middle of MTB is pretty much the old Crystal bar that used to be between the Kim Long and the Thang Long. They moved over to the other side of the Riverside for a while and then came back. They sometimes have some nice new cattle but the mamasan is greedy here.

The Shadow bar that was near there has moved around the corner to bigger premises on Dong Du.

The one on the corner of MBT and HBT often has a nice influx but again the mamasan is greedy.

The Smiley bar near the Camargue has some really nice ladies - I have a couple of ex employess from there that I call to come over from time time. The mamasan is greedy again - basically wants US$100 plus a few lady drinks to take the girls out. But they have nice new uniforms - off the shoulder T-shirts with NO bras. I found the upstairs action expensive for what you really get.

I find the bar on Dong Du to be the most accommodating of the lot with natural friendly girls and a mamasan with whom I (at least) can reach a fair deal.

One memorable night I had a girl from there who cut an all-nighter short to put flowers on her brothers grave as it was the anniversary of his death. I did not expect to see her again but she came back in an hour or so with an unbelievable appetite for sex.

I tried one of those Japanese bars on my own a few weeks back. Nice girls but no action.

Wendella

04-18-07, 16:35

There's a couple of small Vietnamese nightclubs up in Phu Nhuan district on Ho Van Hue street, off of Hoang Van Thu (a major street). Paradise is the bigger of the 2. Lots of girls who go table to table. Just across the street is the smaller Bumbi. There was another bar/club just next to Bumbi called Night Star that's just been turned into a karaoke, so a whole different scene now. Both Paradise and Bumbi are very user friendly -- go in, get a table, order a drink (or beer, or a bottle if you're up for a party). Talent fluctuates. Dancers take the "stage" sometimes. In Bumbi the girls who go table to table double as the dancers. If you buy a bottle of something, you'll get extra company at your table -- probably too much. And all of them drinking. You get the idea. Keep the bottle under control. But they tend to get quite cozy under those conditions, so it might be worth it. There used to be quite a few more of these kinds of places, but the last couple of years haven't been kind to them. One called Evergreen Tree (forget the VN name) with 3 nightclub floors and a set of girls on each floor, always very busy, mysteriously shut in the past couple of months. Nhac Tre on Nguyen Van Troi very near it shut down almost 2 years ago -- that place was a hot spot for a long time (also its other location on Le Thanh Thon -- same fate). There's one more in this category called Oxy, on Tran Huy Lieu street. Dance show, girls go table to table. Normally not as good in quality as Paradise or Bumbi, though. Almost forgot: Art Cafe on 3/2 Street, at the corner of Le Hong Phong. Similar to these but a bit more straight laced. Last: Canary Club on Hoang Van Thu (the least interesting of all these -- never have seen anything special in there). It's across from that triangle shaped little park you pass on the way to the airport, tho this club is on a section that is one way going away from the airport. (to get to it, head up Nguyen Van Troi, go all the way around the park and make the left to go back down to NVT again, and it's right there after you make the left... on your right).

If anyone knows of more places that fit this category, please do share the info. There's one other I know of on the far far side of town, in District 6, called 4 in One. It's like these only bigger, and with more girls. Tamer too, though with some legwork anything can happen. The stage shows are something at that place. 2 or 3 girls (and once in awhile a gay looking guy with them) dance to disco songs, sometimes the dance show can be a real jaw dropper.

There's an area of lots of bia oms around Tran Quang Khai. I've actually never been to one where talent was as good as what's on offer above (or in my previous post) though some (Txmanny, for one) claim it isn't so. Search on his old posts and you'll find a couple he recommends in this area. I have heard some wild stories about what goes on in some of these bia oms, including one recent first person report of being in one that had pole dancing. Now keep in mind, this is in a karaoke room, not in a bar. I went to the place and couldn't find anything like what he described though. Name is Hoa Su, just off Tran Quang Khai on ... I think the name of the street is Tran Khac Chan. It's just across from the Lotteria on the five-corner intersection. If you're in that spot, you'll see it. But, it may have been a one shot deal the guy witnessed. Who knows. If you go, you probably need a VNese with you so you can cut to the chase. Otherwise you can expect to end up in a normal karaoke room with very normal girls in very long dresses.

Wendella

04-18-07, 17:03

I think U2 is living on its reputation rather than its current services. Since they renovated they no longer have the notorious upstairs room so there is only the dark shadows at the back.That upstairs was skanky, man. You could look down through the floorboards into the bar underneath. Or so I hear. ;-) But compared to what's out there now, U2 is still a good couple of levels sleazier. Only the shadows at the back? Deeply weird things happen in those shadows. No other bar has shadows quite like those shadows.

the new bar in the middle of MTB is pretty much the old Crystal bar that used to be between the Kim Long and the Thang Long. Didn't know that. In any case, it's barely worth ever visiting -- then, now or in the future, wherever it was, is or will be.

The Shadow bar that was near there has moved around the corner to bigger premises on Dong Du.Yes but be clear, this one isn't in the same category as what we're talking about. It's just a normal bar.

The Smiley bar ... I found the upstairs action expensive for what you really get.True, I think that particular kind of entertainment appeals more to tourists, or anyone else who won't be coming back again. They can be bargained down a little bit, but by then you'll probably be so bent out of shape from the fight that it wouldn't be enjoyable.

I find the bar on Dong Du to be the most accommodating of the lot with natural friendly girls and a mamasan with whom I (at least) can reach a fair deal. Haven't gone out with anyone from there. Are all of them available? What about the ones in Ao Dais?

Co Van My

04-18-07, 18:20

Wendella,

Thanks for your series of reports about places off the HBT beaten track. These are the best and most inclusive of any I've seen here.

Do you (or anyone else) know about the sidewalk enterprise that used to operate at Lam Son Square almost in front of the Caravelle Hotel? A small, young, Viet guy named Lam used to have a bevy of girls sitting at the typical, tiny plastic tables, others in the shadows, all available for short or long time.

I'd often stumble by there on my way home after a night of HBT carousing. I'd usually just sit down at one of the tables with the intention of having a last nightcap beer........but 90% of the time, I'd soon be grabbing a cab from the taxi park with a friendly lady and heading off to a mini.

He was gone when I visited last December, but he was a straight shooter and very customer-service oriented. Now that Lam Son Square has been prettified, he may have set up shop somewhere else. If so, I sure like to know where.

OzzieSuds

04-19-07, 04:05

Yes but be clear, this one isn't in the same category as what we're talking about. It's just a normal bar.

Yes this Crystal Bar is a 'normal'' bar but quite well run. I often go there to watch sports rather than at the Club Italia down the road.

True, I think that particular kind of entertainment appeals more to tourists, or anyone else who won't be coming back again. They can be bargained down a little bit, but by then you'll probably be so bent out of shape from the fight that it wouldn't be enjoyable.

Smiley Bar.

Quite right - the fight with the mama over the price and the lady drinks takes the edge off the deal a bit. I tend to get phone numbers and try to make outside arrangements. Only ever seem to go upstairs after too much red wine at Camargue or Skewers.

Dong Du Bar

Haven't gone out with anyone from there. Are all of them available? What about the ones in Ao Dais?

There are one or two bar hostesses who are always in Aoi Dai and who do not go out but the others do. Recently the others have been in a modified Aoi Dai but I have taken girls from there in the full deal Aoi Dai and had fun getting them out of it.

OzzieSuds

04-19-07, 04:12

Do you (or anyone else) know about the sidewalk enterprise that used to operate at Lam Son Square almost in front of the Caravelle Hotel?

Is Lam Son Square the park on Le Loi or do you mean the open space in front of the Lion Brewhouse?

Last year one would encounter girls amongst the bikes in front of Lion Brewhouse but I did not realise it was an organised operation. Have not seen this action in this area this year.

Wendella

04-19-07, 06:48

Lam Son is yes in front of Lion. Do you mean down by where the shops are selling miniature sailing ships? Because over there I have seen girls from the HBT bars sitting and chatting after their businesses closed, and obviously trying to squeeze in a bit more business before going home. I wasn't aware of this other (if there's another) Lam Son setup. So status now, don't know. It could be it was just not there that night, or the nights you went, which happens in most of these places.

Sudsoz I think you meant Shadow bar is where you watch sports, right? (you said Crystal)

My fights at Smiley bar are always with the girl. Not a fight, really. Just a kind of long pestering. A struggle. Typical would be where I'm not interested, and the price keeps getting lower, until finally it's tempting... so I say OK, but then she thinks of some excuse to jack the price back up a bit higher, like "ok but must buy me two more drinks ok?" Ugh. I never deal with anyone else other than who I'm with. Maybe that's your problem. ;-) Anyway, your takeaway price seems way way high. $50 plus the X number of drinks (4, 5, 6) is pretty standard in most of these places. Either way, your method is better, stick with it.

OzzieSuds

04-19-07, 09:11

Yep - Shadow is the one with sports.

I find that in the Smiley bar and the one on the corner of HBT/MTB I will start negotiating with the girl and it becomes pretty clear that the girl is just the messenger and there is someone else who is calling the shots. So I will cut to the chase and negotiate direct. Doesn't make it any easier though.

Both of these bars and the Crystal bar seem to want $100 plus several drinks for LT. I suppose Wendella's $50 plus several drinks for ST is a little bit less on the same scale.

I have known the corner bar to pass up an offer of $60 at 11.45 when there were obviously no other customers around. Recently when I walk past at night with a girl from somewhere else I make a point of telling the spruiker to go tell mama I have a nice lady for $60 for LT.

At the Dong Do bar last night I walked and bought a favourite a drink and discovered she was on the rags so I got the mama to make some suggestions. I bought my new selection and the mama a drink before leaving without any discussion of price. She and I both knew it was VND1 mil for all night.

OzzieSuds

04-19-07, 09:18

I wandered in here last night. Seemed to be about 10 ladies about half of them were with customers. The ones left over were pretty scrauny compared to the ones with customers but I picked one and bought her a drink. Was quickly guided into a little booth with partitions where a little exploration can go on.

When the conversation turned to ''we go hotel'' (about 25 seconds) I was quoted an opening price of $70. Probably this was for ST and is therefore a little expensive. Never got around to discussing LT/ST since there was this insistence that she could not come to my hotel - which she can.

Will check out the other cattle some time.

Wendella

04-21-07, 06:56

Drove out there one night this past week around 8pm. There are still 5 of these hot tocs left on that one stretch of Dien Bien Phu street just as you enter from District 1, all of them before the big roundabout.

They're:

#90 -- this one is a favorite of a friend of mine, who went there regularly before moving to Singapore

#324 -- I went to this one once. No complaints. Cute girl, pretty good at her job. If there was one off-putting detail, it was how after we got done, someone went over to a white board on the wall and put a line next to a girl's name (my girl's, I suppose) and then next did the same for my friend's girl, and I could see the number of lines meant I was 7th that day. I was just a line on the tally board now. Funny.

#358 -- haven't tried it.

#390 -- haven't tried it.

All these are on the south side of the street as you head from District 1 to the roundabout. Some of the addresses are guesses because the shop itself doesn't seem to display its own number, so I guessed 358 because the shop right next door is 360.

There's one more on the north side of the street, so you would get there by going around the roundabout and heading back down DBP toward District 1 again.

#38A

Why this one has an even number when it's on the opposite side of the street, and all the rest of the shops on that street have odd numbers, no idea. It looks very dead compared to the ones on the south side of the street anyway.

There used to be a LOT more of these shops out there, up until a couple of years ago. I think it was about ten on the south side and 3 or 4 on the north side, many with girls sitting out in front. Much more quiet now, with nobody sitting outside anymore. Anyway, I've only tried one of them once. Service there was ok for the price. My friend the ex-regular says his service was usually excellent (CIY + drinking) and inspired by good tips. I might get back out there one of these days and give it another go. Most of them close at 9pm or so, by the way. Not sure but seem to remember that.

Canyon

04-22-07, 23:51

Wendella:

Your reports are great! Keep up the good work!

I also like the way you told off the Horny Asian Kid who was huffing and puffing about his "expertise" when he was really full of crap.

Canyon

OzzieSuds

04-24-07, 00:40

The poolice have been giving the bars around Hai Bai Trung a hard time over the last few days - checking the girls for their permit to work in Saigon.

On Sunday night at 10 pm most of the HBT bars were shut or had one or two girls in overcoats. There were groups of girls in their overcoats roaming the side streets trying to get back to their bars without encountering the poolice.

Last night I even saw the poolice checking papers in the Red Hot Chile bar which is a quiet drinking spot with girls in Aoi Dai but no takeout.

One of the mamasans tells me that this will probably go on for another week or so as they ''clean the place up'' for the Mayday celebrations.

Wendella

04-26-07, 09:57

OzzieSuds

04-26-07, 11:27

Apparently U2 bar just moved, it's now around the corner on Dong Khoi street, not far from where it was up until a few nights ago. I was there on what they told me was its last night operating in that spot, that they'd move around the corner the next day. So I think it's at 28 Dong Khoi now, or thereabout.

Perhaps their new premises will see a return to the old U2 action.

There is another little bar on Dong Khoi opposite the Grand Hotel, calling itself the Hard Rock. Down an alley and upstairs. Grim little place with grim women!

Yamtak

04-28-07, 10:26

I was in transit overnight at HCM after came back from business trip in Vung Tau. I stayed at the Sheraton Hotel. I checked into hotel and then went out to Four Season for dinner. I was wandering back to hotel and pass Bar 51 on HBT and found myself dragged in!!! I walked on. The bar I finally sat down in just a couple of doors away was pushy as well - I decided to go in for a beer. An old (3 on my scale) sat next to me and I told her I wasn't interested. The next girl said nothing whatsoever to me except 'you buy me one drink now?’ I kept just replying 'no' and finally she left. However another girl serving behind the bar was young and cute. She has nice curves and larger breasts than I'm used to in Vung Tau. I asked her if she would sit with me. After much bargaining, we agreed on BJ upstairs for 250,000 dong and one 50,000 dong lady drink.

Upstairs she gave decent head, but as usually I couldn't come that way, so I proposed FJ. She was very nervous about that - upstairs they only have a pool table and some chairs, and anyone can come in. She wouldn't do it so I offered more money for extra service. We settled on additional 300,000 dong and one more lady drink. Then she climbed on top and started to work it slowly in, with no request for a condom. I stopped her because I couldn’t take any risk by going bareback. I always have spare cap in my wallet for a moment like this. She moved very nicely, and I sucked her nipples while she rode. After a short, awkward, but fun time in the strait backed chair, I finished by pulling out my cap and my shot ended up on her breast.

Night was still quite young and I wanted to do some more exploring in the area. However I felt so tired after some much mongering in Vung Tau for last couple of nights and decided to call of the day. I flew back to KL on early morning flight.

Playsafe

04-29-07, 05:26

Hello everyone,

Didn't know there is such a website like this one. It's awesome! For the past few times I was in VN, I had done much girls searching on my own. Fortunately, I speak, read & write the language somewhat. That certainly is a big advantage. Wendella, Sudsoz & other senior members, you guys have a lot of great info here. Thanks. I didn't know the HBT is such a hot area. Asian Rain did a great report about the girls on Ng. Thi Minh Khai st. Been there, but never picked up a girl there. The scene just doesn't look right. There are lots of pimps & drug addicts there. It just looks too uncomfortable for me.

I will start to contribute what I know & only if I know. There is a piece of article today or a couple of days ago about those Cafe Oms on Lac Long Quan, ward 9, dist. Tan Binh. Been there done there! There's this one cafe om place called Thien Thai on Lac Long Quan st. just east of Au Co st. in Dist Tan Binh/Dist. 11. There are lots of hot looking girls there. 10k for the drink, & 30-50k for the girls. You can touch them & grope them. If you want anything more than that, you would have to come back a couple more times, they would take you back to their apartments during their afternoon breaks or after work for a fee, of course. None of them speaks any English, I don't think. It's been over a year now so it might not be there anymore as cafe shops like that don't seem to last long. There are lots more places like that no westerners have ever frequented in other districts outside the touristy areas. I always feel that paying anything more than $50 for a ST is way too much in VN.

I have a couple of questions. In my memory, the closed down Sahara was the best there was. Is there anything like that nowadays? Since I'm new to this adult entertainment forum,what's a mongerer? Someone looks for sex in a foreign country?

I will be around & hope I can help anyone out. Have fun mongering, you all!

J D Cooper

04-30-07, 04:00

Apparently U2 bar just moved, it's now around the corner on Dong Khoi street, not far from where it was up until a few nights ago. I was there on what they told me was its last night operating in that spot, that they'd move around the corner the next day. So I think it's at 28 Dong Khoi now, or thereabout.I went there on Saturday night, some stunners but still to much winging about tipping & buying lots of lady drinks. Its at Number 29 Dong Khoi. I believe the Bar is now called 29!

OzzieSuds

04-30-07, 09:40

I went there on Saturday night, some stunners but still to much winging about tipping & buying lots of lady drinks. Its at Number 29 Dong Khoi. I believe the Bar is now called 29!

Give me some landmarks. Near where - Maxims, Underground, German Biergarten etc ?

Nihongobrit

05-01-07, 18:47

Hello,,,

A very infrequent contributor here, (Tokyo and Chicago forums). Now doing regular trips to HCMC. Staying at Caravelle, had tried the Banana massage on offer at Jasmine Sauna, to the left of the Continental Hotel, paying $10 for the massage and overpaying $20 for the single pop with roaming hands. Did that couple of times the first day.

RTFF and took a trip round the block passing #91 etc to end up at Japanese sounding Spa near the Sheraton, (Sachi or Asahi, maybe) and went up the narrow stairs, cute cute girl, with older girl giving pretty good massage ($8 included the 20% off). When came time for the flip, I was more aggressive, asked for FS, hoping another 'secret room' would magically become available, and wouldnt budge from VND$400, 000 for FS. They haggled, I backed down from the FS and settled on VND$400k for two girl BBBJ taking turns, sucking nipples etc. Bonus: the older girl, who didn't want the BBBJ at first had bigger boobs, because she had a baby! So I got fed as well! Hehe!

Anyway, the next day, wandered around, decided to let a Honda taxibike driver take me to a place for some ST. Big risk, but WTF I thought! I pre-negotiate VND$400k, but settle on VND$550k for 1hr ST FS, including the mini-hotel charge and the bike there and back to hotel. Had him drop me to Caravelle, wait outside while I dumped money, watch, credits cards, ID etc and come down with VND$550k, letting him know that was all I was gonna get on his bike with, so the deal better be legit. (except I did hide a $100k in my shoe in case I get duped and need a cab home! ) The guy spoke pretty good English, and said he used to manage a Massage place, which he took me by to look. (He is 43, married for 3 yrs, and has a son on the way! )

The bike ride to the mini-hotel, still in Q1 takes about 8-10 minutes. The cost breaks down like this, VND$200k for the Hotel, VND$300k (USD$24! ) for the gorgeous 20yr old, who loves herself more than me**, but can't help but pop a couple of O's. (**my arse looked great in the mirror I thought. Hahah) and VND$50k for the driver. He said he would call as many girls as I needed to come in until I found the right one, but I gave him my specs, and he nailed it first time!

Since he was way too helpful, I slid him another VND$150k, on the basis that he help fellow mongers who call him. He said no probs, and now I have the cell number of Mr. H! I will definitely use him next trip, everyday I think, and am willing to share the digits with seasoned posters on this site via I/M. They can be the custodians of his details, to give to other mongers they trust or know better than me. I hope you'd follow my lead in giving him a $100k more at least. His earns it through his trust.

So, if you're lucky enough to have Sudsoz and Wendella's confidence, and they e-mail you the digits, tell Mr H. 'nihongobrit' told you to call. He stored that ID in his cell phone. He'll come and pick you up, take you there, wait and then drop you back. I hope you guys are okay with that?

Also, I will be back in June, so if any of you want to do some hunting in packs, let me know. I am usually the lone wolf, but know a fellow mongerer is never far away!

Off to Taipei tomorrow, where our pastime sucks. Then onto Tokyo next week. Let me know of anything popping in those places if you have the knowledge.

Ciao bellos, Nihongobrit

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Wendella

05-06-07, 09:53

Very interesting. Thanks for that.

Was looking forward to getting a look at those promised photos... are those still on the way?

Berty Russ

05-08-07, 06:26

Thanks all for the super reports. I wonder if someone could explain in a little more detail for this newby what actually happens after the deal is struck? Are there things to watch out for in the cab, at the hotel desk, etc? Do they ask for your passport? What's the protocol? Etc. Are cops are concern for westerners? I feel more vulnerable after I get out of the bar, and I want to minimize the anxiety and enjoy the experience.

Thanks,

Berty

Wendella

05-11-07, 06:41

Perhaps their new premises will see a return to the old U2 action.

Your prayers have been answered. There's a strange little room upstairs, you kind of climb through a window-like hole in the wall to get in there, and it's a tiny little room with a couple of couches, lower than floor-level. Kind of a love cave. Not as private as it could (should) be. I believe a full range of services are offered in the Cave.

J D Cooper

05-18-07, 10:14

Your prayers have been answered. There's a strange little room upstairs, you kind of climb through a window-like hole in the wall to get in there, and it's a tiny little room with a couple of couches, lower than floor-level. Kind of a love cave. Not as private as it could (should) be. I believe a full range of services are offered in the Cave.That room didn't have a curtain let alone a door & it is just as W said, a crawl through, still desperate times often call for desperate measures!

J D Cooper

05-18-07, 10:17

Give me some landmarks. Near where - Maxims, Underground, German Biergarten etc ?Sorry, don't know HCMC very well but I will put a picture up in the Picture Forum! Maybe this will assist! Basically its about 3 blocks south of where U2 was was on a fairly main shopping street!

OzzieSuds

05-21-07, 00:39

Sorry, don't know HCMC very well but I will put a picture up in the Picture Forum! Maybe this will assist! Basically its about 3 blocks south of where U2 was was on a fairly main shopping street!

Bar 29 (the old U2 staff plus some new ones) is on Dong Khoi almost diagonally opposite the Grand Hotel and a few doors from Maxims Restaurant.

I did not go upstairs but I was told it was more bar area - no mention of special 'looms'.

OzzieSuds

05-21-07, 00:47

but still to much winging about tipping & buying lots of lady drinks.

I did not have a lot of time so I did a quick recce at Bar 29 and the new one on Hai Bai Trung.

At each I buy one beer and one lady drink so the bill is VND75000. Check out the ladies assets over the next ten minutes or so and when I walk out I leave the balance of a VND100,000 bill as a tip. In each case they all carry on like I am a cheap Charlie. This wingeing and whineing for tips really gets up my nose.

OzzieSuds

05-21-07, 00:56

Here is what happened to the action upstairs at the Amara. Newspaper report from another form

Bribes etc will keep a place going until it starts to get too much publicity and then the authorities will move in. Better to deal with ladies on a one to one basis.

Vietnam latest news:
Last Updated: Friday, May 18, 2007 11:24:34 Vietnam (GMT+07)

Vietnam court jails hotel employee-pimp

A 37-year-old woman who procured sex workers for guests at an upmarket Ho Chi Minh City hotel was sentenced to five years in jail Thursday.
A city court found Vo Thi Hong Hanh, a karaoke and bar manager at the four-star Amara Hotel, guilty of “brokering prostitution”.

Police said the prostitutes working under Hanh’s supervision had paid her in the form of jewels since she refused to take cash. She believed that would save her from arrest if the police busted the gang.

In March last year, some 50 undercover police officers raided the hotel and caught three prostitutes ‘in the act’ with Japanese men.

Hanh was arrested shortly afterwards along with 38 young women, 35 of whom confessed to entertaining mostly Japanese and Korean men three or four times a week for US$100 a night or VND1 million ($63) for an hour.

The police said all the women were young and pretty, owned expensive motorbikes, and joined Hanh’s racket for one or two years.

Prostitution in any form is illegal in Vietnam.

Raphael Lovaa

05-26-07, 10:32

Hi all,

I wondering how mutch it cost for a night with a local.

Few year's ago I use to stay in Hanoi. And the rate was not so expensive if you are abble to negociat in vietnamese around 200,000 TO 4OO,OOO vn dong depend on the girl for over nigth.

It was 3years a go, I know that HCV is quit more expensive.

So if any of you do speak a little of vietnamese and know and know the local rates.

And where is the place for mongering? I use to go in the "APO" but I wonder if it still open in saigon, or going arround Dong Khoi ST.

In exchange I can give you som tips about Hanoi.

Crazy Rapha

Newbie

05-27-07, 19:29

HI Sudsoz,

If you're still in Vietnam, let me know how I can contact you. (you know where to get me) On a mission this weekend in trying to look for the so called "no Hands" restaurant.

Larry L Lizard

05-29-07, 13:07

Hi all,

I didn't realise until I read the posts in ISG that there were so many "illicit deeds" going on in HCMC.

The other day I walked into this hot toc place to get my hair cut (with no other intensions)

There were about 5 girls and 2 guys. The girls were just hanging around in a pretty uniform. It was in the morning, and there was only one you*ly woman whose hair was attended by a heavily pregnant woman.

As soon as I entered the place, I felt strange, thinking "Is this the type of establishment that ISG members were talking about? "

A young man sat me down and started to cut my hair. While cutting, I felt the constant gazing on my back, and all the time I was wondering "what would happen when I finish my hair cut? " "should I enquire about the deed? " "but if I am wrong. " BTW, I don’t speak VN.

When finished, I got up the chair, and walked to the cashier. A girl (hair dresser? ) who was sitting next to me looked at me and said "beautiful". Well, nobody said "beautiful" to me in my entire life. When I got to the counter, there were 4 girls standing or waiting. Waiting for what? One of the girls was very pretty; probably early 20s. I said "how much? 15000VND? " I mean a hair cut. While I was paying the money, all the girls were looking at me, expecting me to say something.

Did I miss something here? Should I have taken the "beautiful" as a "F*** me"?

It was a bit surreal. There were no sleaze factors in this place other than the girl’s stares.

I will check it out and report. But this has to wait until such time when my hair grows longer.

But I am a bit apprehensive. Can anyone who has experience at a BBS tell us what the procedure would be? How does it work? Does your hair have to be long to go into these places?

Thanks

Whisper1

05-30-07, 05:32

Larry,
You don't have to wait until your hair gets long in order to go back there. Just go back there and tell you want your hair wash only. Can you PM me the address and I'll check it out for you.

OzzieSuds

05-30-07, 06:29

HI Sudsoz,

If you're still in Vietnam, let me know how I can contact you. (you know where to get me) On a mission this weekend in trying to look for the so called "no Hands" restaurant.

I am still in Saigon for a day or so and trying to fit in a couple of private encounters before I leave. My local enquiries have drawn a blank on the hands free place. Lots of good bar scene changes and lots of new meat on display.

Wendella

05-30-07, 08:03

Lots of good bar scene changes and lots of new meat on display.

Any big changes other than what's up here already? New? Where? If you have any info, let us know...!

OzzieSuds

05-30-07, 10:56

Any big changes other than what's up here already? New? Where? If you have any info, let us know...!

The major changes (U2 to Club 29, HBT Bar35 etc) are all reported in the forum but what I do see is an apparent influx of new fresh blood which suits my taste just fine.

Pokey Penguin

05-30-07, 15:38

Is it much easier to bring a girl back to an apartment in Vietnam rather than a hotel? I've been in Vietnam for 2 years, but have been living in mini hotels because I've been travelling around a lot. I am too embarrassed to bring a girl back to the mini hotel, because the families know me for a long time and I don't want them to think I'm "bad man."

I assume it's much easier to bring a girl back to an apartment, but don't really know. Is it? Are there "security" goons who will try to stop her?

Is there a difference if she's a girlfriend or a pro?

Is it possible to rent apartments for short terms, like 3 or 6 months? I mean for reasonable local prices, not "foreign executive" prices. Where would I find these apartments, in the newspaper?

Thanks to anyone who has some answers.

Wendella

05-30-07, 15:54

I do remember reading about 29 and 35 here... um, I mean, writing about them. ;-)

So I guess it's this apparent influx I'm hoping you expand upon. ;-)

Where have you noticed new talent? I sure haven't. I mainly notice the same old talent being moved back and forth between this place and that one. Even the bars move back and forth these days. If anything, I've noticed what little new talent there was disappearing suddenly. A lot of that lately.

Larry L Lizard

05-30-07, 16:03

Larry,

You don't have to wait until your hair gets long in order to go back there. Just go back there and tell you want your hair wash only. Can you PM me the address and I'll check it out for you.Whisper,

You cheaky s*d! :-)

LLL

OzzieSuds

05-31-07, 03:15

Wendella - I found several nice new ones in Bar 29 - learning all the good tricks from the old U2 staff. Smiley Bar near Camargue has some new stock and Bar Saigon (Dong Do) has had some turnover. Bar 35 seems to be a mixture of girls from other bars and some newbies. Papas KTV on Duong Dong has become BaBa with some cuties and the bar next it has got rid of the hags and found some new ones. There are also some new (non Jap) bars on Le Than Ton.

The changes are incremental but enough to enhance my enjoyment.

Friday and Saturday seem to be raid nights on Hai Bai Trung. Lots of bar girls in overcoats roaming the streets.

Wendella

05-31-07, 06:38

OK maybe I need to check those places again more carefully.

But...

Papas KTV on Duong Dong has become BaBa with some cuties and the bar next it has got rid of the hags and found some new ones. Duong Dong? I don't know that street. You don't mean Thai Van Lung?

and...

There are also some new (non Jap) bars on Le Than Ton. WHich are these? There was the tiny bar next to Bin Bin on LTT that I reported about here... others?

Thanks again. Every bit helps.

OzzieSuds

05-31-07, 08:22

But...
Duong Dong? I don't know that street. You don't mean Thai Van Lung?

Yes Thai Van Lung - I was looking at a map off the web that was wrong.

The new ones on Le Than Ton are about half way along. Amongst the Japanese Aoi Dai bars there was one new small BmD and takeout bar and another 'legit' bar with some cute staff. Too stewed to get numbers.

Jazzy Boy

06-01-07, 17:46

Hi,

First time going HCMC with group and one viet girl (gf of sorts of one of the guys).

May I know what kind of services are available in the hot tocs or shampoo places?

Will there be a soapland massage? One where you are placed on a inflatable mattress and the girl will massage you with her bod, both of your clothes off, lots of soap and water involved?

OzzieSuds

06-02-07, 01:51

May I know what kind of services are available in the hot tocs or shampoo places? Will there be a soapland massage? One where you are placed on a inflatable mattress and the girl will massage you with her bod, both of your clothes off, lots of soap and water involved?

The massage places in HCMC all give you a pair of their shorts to wear and take other measures to avoid hanky panky. If you bluster enough you avoid the shorts but anything else is luck of the draw.

Wendella

06-02-07, 17:05

Will there be a soapland massage? One where you are placed on a inflatable mattress and the girl will massage you with her bod, both of your clothes off, lots of soap and water involved?

You have the wrong country. You obviously want Thailand. Massage in Vietnam is nothing like what you get in Thailand. There's no soapie anything, no inflatable mattresses and no naked girls, period. What is available in any shady massage or hot tocs pales in comparison to what's on offer in Thailand. Get ready to be very disappointed. Sorry.

Kodanana

06-02-07, 20:41

Raphael Lovaa

06-03-07, 01:26

Hi guys,

Where can find the link on this forum about these bar, or any one of you have the add of these bar?

Thx,

Rapha

OzzieSuds

06-03-07, 05:48

Hi guys,

Where can find the link on this forum about these bar, or any one of you have the add of these bar?

Thx,

Rapha

Its all there in the forum.

Antonio

06-03-07, 19:02

OzzieSuds

06-04-07, 00:43

Family companions preclude doing anything by night in HCMC. Could anyone suggest a late afternoon place offering good erotic massage and/or places offering FS options. Street action would be okay too. Thanks.

The bars sort of open their doors at about 5 and, as discussed, massage in HCMC is very hit and miss. I have seen pretty obvious WG in the coffee shops near opera and carravelle area mid afternoon. In the area around Dong Do and Dong Khoi you might say hello to attractive ladies wandering without a lot of purpose. You might find something as the WG have a indefinable difference even by day.

Ozirob

06-04-07, 06:13

If you turn up at the bars early (5 or close to), make it clear you need something, girls will turn up pretty quickly. Have had Erotic massage (BBBJ) right there in the room with pool tables and if you are shy upstairs will be available! Can't remember which of the several around the block from Carravelle, but i'm sure they all will cater for you.

Ozirob

Wendella

06-04-07, 08:55

Scroll back a bit (or do a search) to find info about the hot tocs on Dien Bien Phu. I posted those addresses a few weeks back.

Many of the Hai Ba Trung bars open early and have a few girls around, at least. Some more, some less.

Sudsoz, which cafes are you talking about? Can you give any more detail than that? I hit cafes sometimes but haven't seen any obvious WG's. Maybe I need to get my vision checked.

To the guys asking newbie-style questions, yes you should scroll back a ways and do some reading of what's been posted before you got here. Search works ok too, if you have some idea of what you're after.

OzzieSuds

06-04-07, 10:24

Sudsoz, which cafes are you talking about? Can you give any more detail than that? I hit cafes sometimes but haven't seen any obvious WG's. Maybe I need to get my vision checked.

The ones I have seen occasionally were clearly a bit overdressed and hanging around at Highland, Illy and the other coffee shops near there. Too professional looking for me so I passed. I have also had some more natural encounters at Givral.

I have not been back recently since the hotel I use fixed its broadband so I have no need of the coffee shops with WiFi.

Wendella

06-04-07, 14:29

the ones i have seen occasionally were clearly a bit overdressed and hanging around at highland, illy and the other coffee shops near there. too professional looking for me so i passed. i have also had some more natural encounters at givral.

i have not been back recently since the hotel i use fixed its broadband so i have no need of the coffee shops with wifi.

maybe i'll take a peek soon -- not often down there afternoons. givral, i don't know that one. "natural encounters" -- sounds very spiritual. ;-)

OzzieSuds

06-05-07, 01:50

Givral is a chain of coffee shop /restaurants. One is on the corner opposite Opera and the Continental Hotel and the other is under the Palace Hotel on Nguyen Hue. The one at the Palace gets a lot of nice corporate style ladies in there.

Raphael Lovaa

06-06-07, 01:07

Hi sudsos,

I try to find the U2 café on google. Nothing if you can just give me the diestrict and the st that would be nice, or just sugest me any good area to seeking som Wg Semi Pro like arround the hometown or near the caravelle.

Thx by advance

Rapha

Sorry I am newbies in Saigon

Wendella

06-06-07, 06:04

OK not really. It moved. It's at 29 Dong Khoi in District 1.

"Semi pro like in the hometown"? I don't know what you mean, but...

for pro you want Hai Ba Trung near the river, many in that area. Can't miss the places, just walk around, you'll see it. For semi, go to the discos I guess. Much tougher to crack that though, esp as a newbie.

OzzieSuds

06-06-07, 10:43

Like Wendella says U2 is now bar 29 situated on Dong Khoi diagonally opposite the Grand Hotel. Other bars in centre of D1 are on Dong Do, Hai Bai Trung and Mac Thi Boui - all an easy walk from the Caravelle.

Raphael Lovaa

06-08-07, 02:20

Pardon me, my English I not that good. I want to mean the town hall sorry.

When I went to Saigon few year ago I had a talk with some girls who were in cafee near Pasteur.

But to be honest tooke me almost two or tree" day's to get what I want in exchange of a diner in good korean restaurant, and a little shopping session heheh

Speaking Vietnamese help me a lot even if I can' t understand time time south accent.

I call them semi pro, they won't ask for money

But they await in return small gifts, which is the similar one way.

Teyes

06-09-07, 12:09

Hi All,

Anyone know about Massage Rona on Huynh Thuc Khang street, Dictric 1, Ho Chi Minh City in vietnamese called Massage Hai Van ?

I want to know : what is the price? How for the tip HJ , BJ ? do the girls make FJ inside, or I ask the girl go out? And how much is it?

Please give me yours experienced about Massage Rona. Is it the same Ky Dong Massage at Dictric 3.

Thank youI wonder if any had tried Rona and can give feedback (massage quality, options, fee). Is it stil opened, where is Huynh Thuc Khang exactly.

Ky Dong massage changed their price last year, I think its 150k and 300k for VIP room. Haven't been for a long time, any info?

Mackay33

06-12-07, 15:22

I just finished a week in HCM while setting up a brokerage account and though very skeptical, if not downright cynical when I first arrived based on my previous trip to HCM, I left there very satisfied, if not blissfully satiated. Of the myriad encounters my best was a threesome with a woman whom I initially turned down based on rate she quoted for ST - $50 USD - (+ mini hotel of $20 for 2 hr) as it was predicated upon a 40% cut due the mamasan. Two days later I phoned her before work, she agreed to meet but insisted on $30 for the 4 hours I wanted, when I pointed out that the mamasan was not involved she offered to include her cousin who was equally busty for the same price.

I rented a room on Pham Ngu Lao at a rate of $7/night since my hotel - the new May Hotel - would not allow guests, it was clean, comfortable, and convenient. I explained upon check-in that I would have 2 "friends" visiting me shortly for several hours and confirmed that was ok.

When my "friends" arrived it raised a few eyebrows but they honored their word. They were both very busty yet slim and trim otherwise. They initially promised 3 pops in 3 hours, but by the time I experienced 2 the girls were showing signs of fatigue.....Of course when the time came to pay - I tipped an extra $10 - they insisted they had meant $30/each. Needless to say I was very blunt and firm that I would not buy into their charade. They quickly capitulated, I think largely out of fatigue, took the money and left;
Overall it was very satisfying experience.

My others included a very sexy girl with a lithe body who for the price of two t-shirts I bought ($15) her at boutique entertained me for 3 hours back at my hotel with amazing intensity. The last experience was a motogirl the last night who probably was the most physical, passionate, and playful of the lot, and to the end was very non-committal about payment. She left with a nice tip if for nothing else the attitude and aptitude she displayed even when no compensation had been guaranteed.

Lastly, I will be going back to HCM in the next few weeks and will follow up on several "invitations" I received from professional women (non SW) who will are willing to fulfill the role of LT girlfriend - gratis. In fact, I've already been approached on two different occassions by casual associates who let it be know that if I was willing to "marry" a local girl their families would pay me upwards of $40,000 US to get them to theUS, obtain a greencard, file for divorce, and return.

Though I'm 40, and still single, that proposition holds little appeal, the brokerage account will be worth far more with far fewer strings attached.

Happy Hunting

OzzieSuds

06-12-07, 22:03

Mackay33 - nice report. Noticed its the same as in the other place. Welcome - I think you will find this place more informative and friendly. Happy hunting.

Pokey Penguin

06-14-07, 14:01

As far as massage parlors go, I find them a total waste. Not just the fact that you can't pick the girl, and you get a room with a window in the door to protect against hanky panky, often not even walls, but a curtained-off room like in a hospital where anyone nearby can hear your every gasp, but also the fact that the girls are usually (in my admittedly very limited experience) tiny girls, maybe the profession requires tiny girls because they can walk on your back without killing you.

Far better to go to most any hot toc. As soon as they see a westerner they almost always say "Massage?" But in a hot toc, you can see and choose the girl. Lots of pretty girls in hot tocs. The hardest part is trying to look them over from outside while they are all staring and smiling at you and pressuring you to come in, and everyone passing by outside is staring at you, fully aware of what you're up to.

What a world. This IS 2007, isn't it? The medieval popes still rule.

Poppasan

06-14-07, 21:48

I was just there last week. Same price..same service..extras is always depends on who you get.

Damn I miss Vietnam already..

I wonder if any had tried Rona and can give feedback (massage quality, options, fee). Is it stil opened, where is Huynh Thuc Khang exactly.

Ky Dong massage changed their price last year, I think its 150k and 300k for VIP room. Haven't been for a long time, any info?

Notidik

06-15-07, 15:36

Guys,

I need some assistance here. I am urgently requested to go on a trip to HCMC next week and will put up at the Park Hyatt.

1. is this hotel GF?

2. where can I source for cute girls?

3. if so how much for ST or LT?

Thanks for helping a first timer in HCMC.....

OzzieSuds

06-16-07, 05:35

Guys, I need some assistance here. I am urgently requested to go on a trip to HCMC next week and will put up at the Park Hyatt.

Thanks for helping a first timer in HCMC.....

1. is this hotel GF?

The Park Hyatt is definitely not GF - my understanding is that they will not even let you buy an extra room for the gal.

There are ST hotels but security is a potential issue. My suggestioin is that you take a rooting room at one of the cheap hotels on Mac Thi Boui or Dong Do. A cheap small room with a bed and bathroom will be about US$20.

Or give the Park Hyatt a miss and stay in one of the GF hotels. Balcony room for $30 plus.

2. where can I source for cute girls?

Keep your eyes open as you walk the streets. Smile at them and say hello. You can also try the bars on Hai Bai Trung, Cao Ba Quat and Mac Thi Boui. Also Bar29 on Dong Khoi. Keep a hand on your wallet.

3. if so how much for ST or LT?

About VND800,000 for ST and VND 1,000,000 for LT plus whatever you do for a room. But you will have to negotiate.

There is a lot more info in the forum. I would give you this much if you were not a 200+ poster.

Notidik

06-16-07, 06:59

1. is this hotel GF?

The Park Hyatt is definitely not GF - my understanding is that they will not even let you buy an extra room for the gal.

There are ST hotels but security is a potential issue. My suggestioin is that you take a rooting room at one of the cheap hotels on Mac Thi Boui or Dong Do. A cheap small room with a bed and bathroom will be about US$20.

Or give the Park Hyatt a miss and stay in one of the GF hotels. Balcony room for $30 plus.

2. where can I source for cute girls?

Keep your eyes open as you walk the streets. Smile at them and say hello. You can also try the bars on Hai Bai Trung, Cao Ba Quat and Mac Thi Boui. Also Bar29 on Dong Khoi. Keep a hand on your wallet.

3. if so how much for ST or LT?

About VND800,000 for ST and VND 1,000,000 for LT plus whatever you do for a room. But you will have to negotiate.

There is a lot more info in the forum. I would give you this much if you were not a 200+ poster.
Very good information for me indeed, unfortunately the hotel has already been chosen for me but I have heard so much about bar 29 and will definately head there, FR on the way if I can get lucky...

Aryaduta

06-18-07, 03:13

Poppasan

06-19-07, 01:24

You can also stay at Ho Sen on 4 Thi Sach. Which happens to be right next to Apocolypse, where all the girls are. You want action, walk around there and someone will approach you. If its a good looking girl on a motobike, smile at her and she will pull over. If it is some guy, tell him to bring the stock. They will come with 5 girls in 5-10 min for you to pick. $30-40 ST. And Ho Sen is girl friendly. Just pick a girl and walk back to your place.

Was just there last week. Had a wonderful time. Miss Vietnam already. Damn I need a job over there.

Very good information for me indeed, unfortunately the hotel has already been chosen for me but I have heard so much about bar 29 and will definately head there, FR on the way if I can get lucky...

OzzieSuds

06-19-07, 03:34

You can also stay at Ho Sen on 4 Thi Sach.

I see the Ho Sen is linked to the Ngoc Minh on Dong Do. Ngoc Minh has told me $28 for a front room with a view but Ho Sen (from their web site) seems to be a little more expensive. Poppasan - what did you pay for what sort of room?

I am thinking of shifting digs because the receptionist girls where I stay now are giving me dirty looks when a bring a gal back. That's the trouble with being there too often and getting too familiar.

Notidik

06-19-07, 03:57

You can also stay at Ho Sen on 4 Thi Sach. Which happens to be right next to Apocolypse, where all the girls are. You want action, walk around there and someone will approach you. If its a good looking girl on a motobike, smile at her and she will pull over. If it is some guy, tell him to bring the stock. They will come with 5 girls in 5-10 min for you to pick. $30-40 ST. And Ho Sen is girl friendly. Just pick a girl and walk back to your place.

Was just there last week. Had a wonderful time. Miss Vietnam already. Damn I need a job over there.
From the info gathered here, I am trying to move my hotel to Majestic still in District 1 as I need to.

Where's Apocolypse?

OzzieSuds

06-19-07, 09:36

From the info gathered here, I am trying to move my hotel to Majestic still in District 1 as I need to.

Where's Apocolypse?

Check the site for the Ho Sen Hotel mentioned by Poppasan. It has a map on the front page that shows the big hotels and its own location. Everything on this map is a five minute walk.

http://www.hosenhotel.com.vn

The Majestic is on Dong Khoi at the corner at the river end. It is an old colonial style hotel - not sure about GF but it is close to Bar29

Saigon Daze

06-19-07, 10:46

From the info gathered here, I am trying to move my hotel to Majestic still in District 1 as I need to.

Where's Apocolypse?Apocalypse is at 2 C-D Thi Sach.

Majestic is not GF. If your company is paying for the Park Hyatt, I'd stay there. Location is better, as is the hotel.

Saigon Daze

06-19-07, 10:49

From the info gathered here, I am trying to move my hotel to Majestic still in District 1 as I need to.

Where's Apocolypse?Apocalypse is at 2 C-D Thi Sach. Not my first choice of places, but it is what it is.

Majestic is not GF. If your company is paying for the Park Hyatt, I'd stay there. Location is better, as is the hotel.

Notidik

06-19-07, 16:09

OzzieSuds

06-19-07, 22:10

I finally managed to shift my stay to the Majestic and man it's half the price of Hyatt. In Majestic is a spa, any ideas if there's extras here?

I will be in HCMC tomorrow and heard it was raining!

And thanks, you guys have been very helpful.

Never tried the massage at Majestic. Massage places in HCM give you baggy shorts to wear at all times and expect you to change into them at lockers. At the Grand (down Dong Khoi 100 yds) I have been able to wave the shorts and lockers away and go straight to room. Service level is hit and miss depending on provider and there is no line-up to choose.

Bar29 (old U2) is in the same area and has comfortable lounge seating upstairs and a semi-private room.

There is another bar near there calling itself hard rock which is a dive.

Wendella

06-20-07, 07:55

Notidik

06-20-07, 15:25

My! the motorcyclist over here is so notorious like king of the roads....anyway I will get used to it. Just cross the road and they will swerve around you.

Very coincidently I found Bar 29 as I was out looking for food and it's only a few metres from my hotel. While walking guy (in security uniform) tried to pull me into this bar with all the doors and windows covered, I looked up and saw the Bar 29 signboard and realised this was the place. After typing this I may go check it out as I need a bath coz I just finished a very dissapointing massage. While walking, this pretty girl was pushing me a brochure for massage. So I thought this place couldn't be bad and I went up. Damn, I was ushered to a room with 6 men all lying together with only see thru curtain as divider and the massage really sucks. made worst by the girl demanding big tips, I gave her some (40,000) but she complain to the counter. In the end I gave 70,000. Is that a lot? The massage was US 15 for 75 mins.

Can't remember the name of the MP thou...

OzzieSuds

06-20-07, 21:38

There needs to be a hotel thread in Vietnam. Far too much of the same old conversation over and over again, which hotels are GF... Majestic, Caravelle, New World, Hyatt, etc. Same old answer, none of them are, go to a mini-hotel. For new guys here it's fine, but the same exact conversation so many times here on this topic.

I agree. If you do a search for hotels you get a lot of extraneous information. Whilst we who have been around know some small hotels that work there is constant change especially in District 1 near the action. The information form Poppasan about the Ho Sen was interesting - I just hope it does not get swamped.

OzzieSuds

06-20-07, 21:46

While walking, this pretty girl was pushing me a brochure for massage. So I thought this place couldn't be bad and I went up.

Can't remember the name of the MP thou...

The MP promoted by the pretty girls in Aoi Dai on Dong Khoi are all crap as you discovered. The girls are very pretty and I have the number of one who says she will come out with me next time I am in town.

Normal price for massage is VND100,000 and tips for extras up to 500,000 depending on service.

The only massage place I have found where FS is possible is on Dong Do about 50 yards from MTB in a little alleyway. If you hang outside about 11 am you can check the gals as they come to work.

Be interested in what you learn about the Majestic - is it GF (there is only one way to really find out) and what about the massage joint?

Notidik

06-21-07, 16:37

Joe Bob

06-21-07, 18:09

Majestic is definately note friendly and never bothered to try the massage as there are plenty everywhere outside though had bad experience. Walked along Dong Du but couldn't find any alley way. There's a huge road work going on there and the only MP I saw was opposite Sheraton.

I found an english speaking taxi driver and he promised to take me to a mini hotel. No need to pay anything if I don't find my choice, should I proceed?Try Saigon Hotel across of Sheraton , Massages on the first floor, Cost 100.000 (7 US ) /hr tip 100000 (7.00 US) HJ included

Joe Bob

06-21-07, 19:19

Dear All,

I'm in HCMC now for couple of days and stay in Windsor Plaza Hotel. Could advise me where I can find the local beauty girl can accompany me during my stay here in HCMC. It's appreciate if you can give the detail price and the place where I can take the girl to my hotel.You will be "con" no matter who you find, just negotiate and agree to the deal, that's it! Do not pay more, Hotel Windsor is located 7 miles from the main area, go to Apocalypse nearby Hai ba Trung street, Beware of Hyenas bikers.- good luck my friend.

OzzieSuds

06-21-07, 22:15

Majestic is definately note friendly and never bothered to try the massage as there are plenty everywhere outside though had bad experience. Walked along Dong Du but couldn't find any alley way. There's a huge road work going on there and the only MP I saw was opposite Sheraton.

I found an english speaking taxi driver and he promised to take me to a mini hotel. No need to pay anything if I don't find my choice, should I proceed?

The alley on Dong Do is towards Mac Thi Boui just next to a Barbershop.

I would suggest that you take a walk around and find your own mini hotel rather then leave yourself under the control of someone else.

Wendella

06-22-07, 07:43

Some quick comments:

The massage at the Hotel Windsor bills itself as the biggest in Vietnam, so it might be worth a look.

The Windsor is in the middle of District 5, and not nearly 7 miles outside downtown District 1. Not even 7km. On a motorbike it might take 10 minutes to go from the Opera to the Windsor, give or take about 2 minutes depending on traffic.

What Joe calls 'con' is what Asians call bargaining. If you bargain well, you can get the best deal possible, and even pay the same as a local. If you don't, you can't. Most tourists can't pretend to know the market price, so they'll be tougher bargaining with you assuming they can get more out of you. It's not an attempt at fraud, it's the free market in action, old school. That said, motorbike drivers will say anything to try to convince you you hae to pay more than you actually should. Keep those guys out of your negotiations and you'll keep the price lower.

Finally, Sudsoz, I'm not sure what alley you're trying to describe but I'm wondering if you got a couple of names confused. There is a Dong DU street (not Dong Do) that is parallel to Mac Thi Buoi, the next street up -- they don't intersect. Then there is Dong KHOI which does intersect both, it's parallel to Hai Ba Trung, the next one over from HBT -- it's the one that is in front of the Opera House, and also that has Bar 29 and Majestic Hotel.

Notidik

06-22-07, 17:12

This morning I went to Ban Tanh market and after leaving I walked along one of the side streets and came across this saloon/barber shop (pink colour frontage) and went in in context of getting a hair wash. Suddenly 3 girls stood up and tend to me, one massaging my shoulders and the other my hands. Wow, they have really sweet and short uniforms showing those nice mostly long legs. I asked for price quote and it was VND 70,000 for wash including massage. Not really understanding what was really offered I nodded yes, yes and yes. Spent almost 20 minutes at the wash bowl washing my hair then she asked me to proceed upstairs. I was really hoping I could get some specials of this sweet girl of mine (name Quin, I believe) but in the room, there was a whole bunch of men lying down on beds aside each other. That means no, no but anyway was really happy with the meticulous details this girl does. While massaging my hand she placed it on top of her thigh and I could easily insert into her so short skirts, so tempting. I easily spent 1 and half hours there with whole body massage and mind you, it was all VND 100,000 and I gave her tips of another VND 100,000.

Following Joe Bob’s suggestion. In half hour later I was in Saigon Hotel, actually there are two MP opposite Sheraton. In I went and at the counter, the sign reads package massage at USD 10 (one hour) and so I argued that my friend told me it was USD 7, the counter lady said no but heck only a small difference so I paid. Disappointment at the room as they have see through glass windows on all room doors. I saw a cute looking ML next door and I asked for her. In no time she was in my room. Talk a bit with a little English. Everything normal till I was asked to turn over. She seems to be always touching my sensitive areas so I knew there was extra. With those purposed touching my little bro sprang into action and I asked her to proceed with the extra service. While one hand was on my little bro, she said USD 50 and I said no way. She continued wanking and I said the max I would pay is USD 20 which I know is already high according to Joe Bob and again I said I was asked to come here for a special price. She was cleverly continuing and without hesitant and I believe it was my little bro thinking I agreed to USD 25. I really cant believe I agreed to this price, damn I am sorry if I spoilt the market prices but please understand the situation I was being out through………her name is Chen number 25 and I forgot to mentioned we did all these with the chances of someone looking through the glass panel. This time my stupidity got the better of me, so sad!

Walking back to my hotel which was only 3 minutes walk back, at least 3 pimps tried to sell their services to me. I wondered where they were last 3 days. One of them told me that Majestic allows girls to enter the hotel before 9 pm.

And ah, 2 lady boys on a motorcycle tried to pick me up. I frantically kept waving to them to go away till onlookers looked at me…………

If my body can take it and the mood of stupidity changes, I would be heading to either Apocolypse or Palace hotel.

OzzieSuds

06-22-07, 22:12

Finally, Sudsoz, I'm not sure what alley you're trying to describe but I'm wondering if you got a couple of names confused. There is a Dong DU street (not Dong Do) that is parallel to Mac Thi Buoi, the next street up -- they don't intersect. Then there is Dong KHOI which does intersect both, it's parallel to Hai Ba Trung, the next one over from HBT -- it's the one that is in front of the Opera House, and also that has Bar 29 and Majestic Hotel.

The spelling of Dong Du and Dong Do seems to interchange as the latter is the way it is said by the locals. The street with the Sheraton. The alley is nearly opposite the Club Italia bar with all the sports on TV.

Shearer68

06-23-07, 15:32

Guys the street you are talking about is indeed Dong Du, the massage in the alley I believe is Sa Chi [opposite sports bar is called Cafe Latin, which thankfully is still open and quite good for a beer and it has some nice girls non pro working there, the upstairs has recently been renovated]. Sorry guys can't give much other info as I now have to be a very good boy in HCM. Excellent contributions by Sudoz and Wendela tho, vistors should take notice of them.

Saigon Daze

06-24-07, 11:26

"The spelling of Dong Du and Dong Do seems to interchange as the latter is the way it is said by the locals".

It's spelled Dong Du on the street signs and pronounce Dong You by the locals.

Breedluv

06-24-07, 14:22

just got back. have alot of experience bkk/all over asia &and some europe/us. i was gagging to try vietnam. (even with wife in tow 7 of 9 days, still managed 11 women. and i gotta say, i fucking love saigon. viet women seriously under rated in my view. there is something in their dna (like their thai cousins + stonger) that seems to make them born very very capable in the bj department. and small, so tight, so sweet and such adventurous fast learners! have had anal maybe with 6 women in my life. ok but one of those things better in fantacy than reality in my expereince. one absolute fucking machine of a girl. absolutley tiny. pedaphile territory. and. amazing! daty going swimmingly and little finger just zooms up the bum. i couldn't believe it. had the most beautiful 5 full mintes up there i can remember. high water mark. will post a ful report soon

back to your question. majestic will be all over you. had a good close chat with the concierge about it all. all 5 and $ and most 3 star like that. i did a pretty thorough inventory of everything within 1k of ground zero (bottom dk) maybe not comprehensive buy maybe 50%. most up market place that is girl friendly that i could find is hotel sao. top end thi sich

no worries though if at majestic. because u2 is now right next door. now called #29 cafe bar. how convenient. <cue wicked laugh c. this is what i love about saigon. you'the never know what was lurking inside.

it's areally a wonderfully rewarding 'intermediate" difficulty level place with absolutely best in world rewards forn those with alittle savy, cauytion and bravery. nothing like as hard as korea, china or fucking japan. can't get close to bkk of course but oh. so worth while. so discreet.

i gotta say, right now i'the rank saigon # 2 to bkk. best overall sex experience to be had. so, back to #29. still a distant second to the thrill of your first bkk bjb experience at [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900). nothing beats your school girl pulling the shower curtain around you, then looking at you with a look that says "i'm about to be a very naughty girl. don't tell on me" then puts her fingers to her lips. no. not quite that but awfully good just the same. now they have a custom blow job room 2nd floor now. no more pillows and (in my case) mixed feelings about others watching you! small bar in front of entrance to your bj retreat. bar lady stands gard. bob's your uncle paid us $40. please. let's not have another thread on 'mines bigger than yours. negotiating prowess. i know prices. and bullshit wsg information also when i see it. joe. please don't tell me i could have got her for $7. thanks

sudoz. question 2. massage at the majestic stricly non sexual, sad to say. and trust me, i did my very best. phone number for later discussion always possible for those with tip top charm/looks/or signs of dumb money. actually. in my book one of the best most interesting legit massages i've had. anywhere. us $26 60 mins. they use a whole mix up of thechniques, some swedish, some thai, etc + massage you with hot volcanic stones. enjoyed it more that apothecary or spa tropic. all the signs for absolutely no chance for happy endings. and they are all correct. have the massage and pop next door.

you are correct on your position on fs round dk. yawara is the place although experience may vary based on the girl. 6-8's. absolutely excellent hj. negotiated up to fs for $70 in the end. i know. no need to tell me.

fs at massage places always a mistake in my experience. go for what they do best. the hj. and go to sacha not yawara. tried three times and each time a truely exceptional. world class hj. and upper quartile quality bj.

my tip. forget this stuff about waiting until she's got you hard. i've learned to fake indiference when i want to counter what is normally poor timing on your negotiation batana (leverage). no it's not negotiating position. it's the time and quality of what you get. agree hj and price early and agree "1hour hand job" make clear she begins straight away and be clear what you want covered in a hj.

unbelievable all three times a sacha. 45 minutes of absolute heaven/torment in the hands of these girls. the 2nd one who i paid $20 extra to have her mouth join the spectacular work of the hands was just amazing. she showed me something i didn't realise. (and i've had too many hj's across too many countries to really own up to why i've got a good comparative frame of reference). co-ordinate the rythem of both hands and mouth and it really hits the spot. she drenched me in oil (only way to go) and had perfect rythem doing up and down rimming (hand 1) world class hand action with balls kept in the hunt with a lovely sweeping action every third stroke. and. the key element. as we all know, hand and mouth working in co-ordingation. with the hand really adding friction to the knob every few minutes.

let me tell you. 10 minutes into this and knowing you have 40 or more to go is as close to heaven as i've been.

don't give away amazing secrets ike this one too often. will swap which girl for something equally good. from a senior vietnam member.

i'm going to be back alot. want to test out the very best.

sudoz. trade you some really good bits? like your posts man. made me feel guilty that i've been taking not giving. used to cvontribute alot late 90's under bushtucker man name.

the mp promoted by the pretty girls in aoi dai on dong khoi are all crap as you discovered. the girls are very pretty and i have the number of one who says she will come out with me next time i am in town.

normal price for massage is vnd100, 000 and tips for extras up to 500, 000 depending on service.

the only massage place i have found where fs is possible is on dong do about 50 yards from mtb in a little alleyway. if you hang outside about 11 am you can check the gals as they come to work.

be interested in what you learn about the majestic. is it gf (there is only one way to really find out) and what about the massage joint?

OzzieSuds

06-25-07, 03:23

breedluv - i try to avoid being specific for a couple of reasons.

one is that the authorities might take a closer interest in a place if specific names and services are set out in detail.

the other is purely selfish in that i keep some good things for myself. for instance i mention hotels in an area but i have the establishments that i use quite happily and i don't want to see them overloaded.

currently i am seeing reports in this place and elsewhere about some hotels in the $40-$50 bracket that say they are gf but i wonder whether those writers definition of gf is the same as mine.

i have not used the upstairs recreation area in bar29 - only the couches. my impression is that anything could happen in that little lovenest.

your comments about [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s in bkk are spot on. i believe the place has been renovated and that there are now some more private rooms. have you tried the ''no-hands'' restaurants there? there were some reports a year or so ago about something similar in saigon.

Wendella

06-25-07, 14:36

Your impression would be correct. I had a front row seat my first night up there, and I think it was the Indian navy in town that night. Maybe Pakistani or Sri Lankan, but somewhere in South Asia. Anyway, it was one after another going in there, 2 pairs at a time, and at least one couple were full on, which the girl I was with giggled and said it's boom boom. And that's definitely what it looked like from where I was sitting. Either that or they put a mechanical bull in there for her to ride. There was another couple in the room at the time, by the way. And that's a pretty small room. A bit on the seedy side for my tastes, but it's there for whoever wants it.

I might've misread Suds' earlier post and thought he said something about Dong Du and Mac Thi Buoi intersecting. I think he has a pretty good memory for someone not in HCMC anymore, and I think even a tourist could figure out that Dong Du and Dong Do are the same thing, regardless of which one's correct. I just worried he meant Dong Khoi, which intersects MTB. Well, now we know exactly where the place is.

Poppasan

06-26-07, 01:14

I paid $29. It has a buffet breakfast and has free wifi. The staff are young cute girls. I see girls going in and out of there all day. Lots of business men stay there. I had no problem bringing girls in just when I tried to get 3 girls into the room. They allowed two..haha..

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]I see the Ho Sen is linked to the Ngoc Minh on Dong Do. Ngoc Minh has told me $28 for a front room with a view but Ho Sen (from their web site) seems to be a little more expensive. Poppasan - what did you pay for what sort of room?

OzzieSuds

06-26-07, 04:38

A bit on the seedy side for my tastes, but it's there for whoever wants it.

If you reckon that's seedy check out the old old posts about the upstairs area in the old U2 where you could check who came into the bar through the cracks in the floor.

Wendella

06-26-07, 15:02

No need to read, I can just remember it. ;-) Not my proudest moment. OK, momentS. At least you got your own 'room' up there. I know, just a divider between you and the next set of guests, but not usually more than one set of guests up there at a time, which is different than 29 -- the night I was there, there was a queue to get in.

Gangles

06-27-07, 13:43

Gentlemen, some help please. I will be in Vietnam for a couple of weeks in a couple of months.

So I have been reading the posts for the past year or more.

The terms Hot Toc and Cat Toc have been used several times, but I can't figure what they mean.

What is Hot Toc and Cat Toc, and how do they work?

What happens?

What do I do?

What does it cost?

Thanks in anticipation.

Dragonfly22

06-27-07, 20:58

Gangles,

I think your referring to the barbershops. There are two different types. The legitimate and the ones that offer more. Legitimate have all the usual accompanying things for doing hair and shaving. The others have the bare minimum with more going on in the back room than the front. If there are customers out in front getting haircuts and manicures chances are it's a legitimate barbershop. Look for ones with lil cuties sitting around giving you the big eyes and smiles and I think you have found the real McCoy. All it takes is a few little questions, like "do you do massage?" and you'll find out quick if you're on to the FS or at least a BJ Hoc Toc.

Ngu Ngon

06-28-07, 23:31

Strangely they often seem to have potted plants outside too... exceptions both ways of course.

In Hanoi look for the words "thu gian" (=unwind/relax) - but I've rarely seen this in the south.

Gangles

06-29-07, 15:33

Dragonfly and Ngu Ngon, thanks for the info.

I remember when I lived in a smaller city in the south seeing such a place close to where I lived. There were about 6 or 7 good looking women hanging round the place, but there were very few customers. One evening I went in to see what was happening. There were two men lying back in barbers chairs, with a bunch of women for each, talking and laughing. No hair dressing implements.

I could not speak any Vietnamese, and they could not speak any English, so I could not carry it further. Now I know.

Can you tell me how Bia Om works? what happens?

Thanks in anticipation

Gangles

06-29-07, 15:41

I have seen the term Xe Om.

I think the word xe has to do with a vehicle.

What is a xe om?

Thanks in anticipation.

Dragonfly22

06-29-07, 17:14

Gan,

Xe om is the term for scooter and driver for hire. I believe.

Dragonfly22

Flyhere

06-29-07, 21:34

While you may not be able to search the forum for some of these terms, a bit of reading will show quite a bit of explanation. Googling the net will get good info as well. You need to make a small effort before asking.

Ngu Ngon

06-30-07, 00:10

"xe" means vehicle. "om" means "cuddle". So "xe om" is when you travel on the back of a motorbike with someone (sometimes also "honda om").

"bia" means "beer". Hence "bia om". Also "cafe om", "karaoke om" etc. With a little imagination you can even create your own Vietnamese!

"bia om" is, to me, one of the most pointless ways to spend an evening. And expensive if you're footing the bill. Best to let your Vietnamese friends take you. Easy to get ripped off if you go yourself or "you take them".

Basically a group of blokes go to a place and get shown to a private room. Its a VN male bonding thing. Girls are brought in and each guy takes a girl. You then spend the evening drinking and snacking. They'll bring in a crate of beer which will opened by the girls who then guzzle down as much as possible. Not to mention knock half of it over the floor. The beer itself is not unreasonably priced. Even the room is usually OK pricewise. But the sheer quantity that gets sloshed around can make it expensive. Its pretty standard to pop the girls boobs out or pull her knickers down for a laugh. But that's as far as it usually goes. Anything more and you take her to the hotel. If just a couple of guys go then a hand job is possible. All a bit hit and miss.

Not much privacy either. I've known "waiters", "mamasans" etc to burst in and help themselves to your beer. Insisting on chinking bottles.

All rather pathetic in my opinion. Karaoke without the karaoke machine. Though often they have that too.

You tip the girl when leaving. They typically get the tip and a tiny commission on drinks. They either pay to work at the bia om, or have to meet a target for drink sales. Obviously they get more if you take them out. Met a software engineer at a bia om once. Fluent English (unusual). Just did it in the evenings for extra money. Nice girl, but exceptional.

In general don't expect anyone to speak English. Though in a parade of a half-a-dozen girls there's usually one that can manage a few words. But she might not be the prettiest.

Bia oms are usually at least a couple of miles from the centre and not really designed for foreigners.

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Yamtak

06-30-07, 02:30

Spent two days at main office in HCM last week. Travelled quite late from Vung Tau and arrived at the Hyatt somewhere around 11:00 PM. Decided to skip bar hopping planned earlier.

Knock on the door and found myself face to face with one cutie. She was supposedly looking for a Japanese client who stayed in my room the previous night. As he was not there she asked me if I wanted massage. I was determined to say no but I let her in to practice the haggling. Knowing that penises rule our brains, we ended up deciding for 800k d for ST. Her name was Miss H. Tall and good features. Rating 8/10.

First a shower together with a good mutual soaping followed by straight to bed. Just about anything was OK with her--french kissing, BBBJ, oral on her, multiple positions. We finished together, sweating bodies, and just lie there to recover. She gave a great massage, too, which really relaxed me. Later round two, and sleep........only to be woken what seems like 5 minutes later as the phone rings with my wake up call for work.

Next evening I was determined to get some rest after long hours at office and late dinner with colleague. I visited #29 just for a drink. Turned down two offers from WGs. Went back to my room and displayed the Do Not Disturb sign. At 1:00 AM there was a knock on my door and guess who?

Miss H again. I explained that I wanted to sleep but with her massaging my balls I wasn’t convincing. After the financing was taken care of, she was straight into the bathroom and then head back to the bed. She said she just wanted me to lay down and let her do everything. BBBJ moving into various positions, she said she likes it hard - so hard we started pumpin'. After a few more positions it was clear I was going to struggle to finish, so she pulled out my pecker and started BBBJ again. I was starting to build up, when she said to come over her pussy - the movement of her lying back down however cooled things down, so she was quickly filling her mouth again, then asking for it in her face - which I duly obliged.

I collapsed on the bed. The wake up call sang its tune at 6.45am. - oh s**t - I told her she had to go then packed my things, had to check out, and get a taxi to my office - just making it in time for my important presentation.

Well, my two nights at HCM was exhausting but enjoyable. My biggest regret was that despite her offer I forgot to take her number.

How did Miss H ever get through security? Was there ever a Japanese person that stayed in my room or was I just flagged on arrival by a bellboy?

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AdHome01

06-30-07, 15:27

Knock on the door and found myself face to face with one cutie. She was supposedly looking for a Japanese client who stayed in my room the previous night. As he was not there she asked me if I wanted massage. I was determined to say no but I let her in to practice the haggling. Knowing that penises rule our brains, we ended up deciding for 800k d for ST. Her name was Miss H. Tall and good features. Rating 8/10.Some guys have all the luck!

Teoti

06-30-07, 18:44

hi guy,

xe om. so the word xe: vehicle (car, motocycle, bike, truck. mean xe.) om: like hug. by the back (that mean. you seat right behind the driver and put your hands at his waist or joint your hands around his waist. if not. you may be fall down. when the driver. accelerate the speed. and you need to om him.)

so that's why. you guys never hear the word: taxi om. because in the car you can not fall down. so you don't need to om the driver. or if you cuddle the girl in taxi like in bia om. so that is. taxi om. hi. hi. hi

bia om (cafe om, karaoke om). bia: beer om: cuddle

i am vietnamese. so i want you to understand that word.

have a good day.

bye bye

OzzieSuds

07-01-07, 01:09

Notidik

07-02-07, 12:02

How did Miss H ever get through security? Was there ever a Japanese person that stayed in my room or was I just flagged on arrival by a bellboy?

Yeah seriously, how did she managed to get to the rooms especially in a hotel like Hyatt.....I really would like to know.

Yamtak

07-03-07, 10:59

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Originally Posted by Notidik
Yeah seriously, how did she managed to get to the rooms especially in a hotel like Hyatt.....I really would like to know.

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It beats me how did she ever get through Hyatt security. She speaks very little English and I could not get her to explain how she did it.
Perhaps:

1. She bribed bellboy and the bellboy assisted her to get through security.

2. She is the employee of Hyatt.

3. She was the Japanese’s client staying close to my room. The client was pissed on those two consecutive nights.

4. She bribed the security.

5. She was a former employee of Hyatt and knows the way on how to get through the security.

6. Rich VN girl who staying at Hyatt.

Berty Russ

07-06-07, 03:06

Hi Guys,

I'm back in Saigon for a while. Last time I was here, right before year end, there was a bar called No. 9 bar on LLT (Ly Thi Trung?) right next to a large coffee shop. It was a haven for golfers, owned by a Swiss guy, and operated on the Hooters model (for you Americans anyway)--lot's of girls behind the long bar talk to with, not pros, at least not overtly. It was a good place to kick back, practice your vietnamese (or whatever), and not be pressured by the pros for more. The (also relocated) Shadow Bar on Dong Du(??) is like that, except the girls are not as sexy as at No.9 Bar.

Anyway, No. 9 Bar was closing year end and moving to another location--the owner told me "near the American Consulate," but I can't find it. Did they reopen? Where? Also, I'd like to find a couple similar bars--friendly staff there to talk, but not there to overtly hussle you. I can't monger every night!

Thanks, Berty

Wendella

07-06-07, 15:41

Hm. There is Ly Tu Truong street, and there is Le Thanh Ton.

There was a bar called something like A5 on Ly Tu Truong, across from a Spanish bar called Carmen. Inside that one had a very high ceiling and a very long bar that wrapped around in a kind of L-shape. Pretty big square shaped room. Pool table soon as you walk in the door. It's gone now, don't think it reopened anywhere (tho if it did, please someone share info on that).

If this isn't what you mean, you have to describe it better. Or else maybe someone else knows from what you said already.

For example, how big was it? Bright inside, or dark? What kind of outfits did the girls wear? At the one above, it was definitely westerner oriented and the girls wore kind of skimpy dresses with short skirts.

There was also a little place next to the Lotteria fast food burger place on Le Thanh Ton, one where girls wore ao dais (traditional Vietnamese dress) that had some kind of golf motif on their sign, tho the bar itself had absolutely nothign to do with golf. More of a Japanese style bar. That's gone too. It's a pho shop now.

Re-reading your post, you mention big coffee place next door. A5 had a giant cafe, multi level and lots of colored lights, next door. A5 also had French colonial architecture. That must be what you're thinking of. I haven't heard of it reopening.

OzzieSuds

07-07-07, 01:05

Wendella has figured out the potential old locations pretty well and there are lot of bars there but none that fit this description. The only two I can think of is the western theme bar near the Renaissance on Ton Duc Thang and the Steakhouse on Thai Van Lung.

It was going to re-open near the American Consulate. The consulate is on Le Duan in an area with lots of big fenced properties. Two possibilities are the redeveloped Saigon Square (I have not been there for a while) and the Saigon Tower building (but that has Singapore airlines and a lot of security on the ground floor).

This place sounds interesting so I will try to get up there are ask the concierge at the Sofitel. If they do not know whats in the area then no one will.

Berty Russ

07-07-07, 04:15

Thanks Wendella and Sudsoz, I think you got it right. It was near the corner of Ly Tu Trong and Ton Duc Thang/Dinh T. Hoang, and yes, a multilevel coffee house with neon etc. Right next door and some sort of nightclub with sticks on the roof (or stick fencing) across the street on the corner and a modern apartment building, 10 LLT, was also across the street further from the corner. Girls wore different t-shirts, but often red Ts with jean shorts. The bar was shaped almost exactly like the new Shadow Bar bar. Too bad it's gone. I liked the softcore environment and am looking for same. I'll tryout out your suggestions and post comments.

PS. I walked around and visited some of the HBT bars last night. The bloom is off the rose a little. Spent too much money without accomplishing much, though it was just a night for window shopping. Someone in a much early post said things get skankier as you proceed toward the river. I think that is fairly accurate. The Smiley Bar, (not on HBT), seems the tamest, etc. I was yanked into a "new bar" just up the street and away from the river from the new U2. I walked back into a building about 20 yard before entering a somewhat sad venue.

Berty Russ

OzzieSuds

07-07-07, 08:13

Berty,

If you are near the Sofitel ask there because it is possibly in their neighborhood.

The Smiley bar has some nice ladies in nice outfits (no bras) but the mama used to have a 5 LD before take-out policy and the gals drink Baileys like its water. The girls tell me that she is more negotiable now but the gal I was interested in is on the rags for a couple of days anyway.

The bar at La Camargue was jumping last night with a very mixed crowd. I took my favourite hairdresser there for dinner and a nice GFE afterwards.

The bar just down from bar29 with the 20 m alley has been there most of this year. It was styling itself as the Hard Rock Bar but has removed that sign. I took a gal from there (Trang) early this week. Nice body and nice looker but absolutely no idea what to do with any of it it in the room.

You are also dead right about the Shadow bar - it has a nice comfortable feel. But Chiac the manager makes sure the girls uniforms are very conservative.

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Dragonfly22

07-07-07, 12:14

Back in the day, during the war, this happened in every bar in VietNam. The girls would push the lady drinks called "Saigon Tea" and would often sing a little diddy. "I love you beau coup, you love me titi, you buy me Saigon tea, I let you play with me. Somethings never change.

Dragonfly

OzzieSuds

07-07-07, 13:11

Yeah well - Baileys on ice is hardly going to knock their socks off.

A new filipina bar opened in Singapore recently and the aussie owner decided that the ladies drinks would be chilled Jacob's Creek Shiraz. By 10 pm the first night he had 20 filipinas who could not stand up! Now he lightens it with lemonade.

Berty Russ

07-11-07, 04:11

I stopped by last night, and yes, quite conservative, and I suspect that to get a job there the girls can't be too attractive. Also, the bar has no room under it for one's knees. I Haven't taken the time to try to find the old No. 5 bar.

As I rode by a local-ish restaurant on the corner of HBT and LTT I saw a very pretty girl is a tiger beer outfit, presumably pushing tigers. I looked around, however, and all the locals were drinking Heinies. Still, I'd give her a promotion.

I never realized it was Bailey's in those Smiley Bar girl's drinks. I thought the mamasans didn't let the girls drink at all (though with a job like that, it is the humane thing to do). Sudsoz, that would have been an amusing night to be in that PI bar!

My personal policy is to only talk to one girl at a time, and if I'm just hanging out, get about an hour of chat and groping for no more than three drinks. Some girls push the drinks as fast as possible, and other's forget to push at all after the first one. There is a very pretty girl that I like at Smiley too, but she always seems a little sad.

Camerge (I've botched the spelling no doubt) is the first place that gave me full fledge traveler's D, but that was a couple of years ago and sounds like it's time to try it again.

Later,

Berty

OzzieSuds

07-11-07, 10:16

Berty - that stretch has a lot of places with good western food.

I have always found Camargue to be excellent and the ground floor bar is a good non threatening place to meet your (non WL) lady friend.

Nearby there is the Cuban place, Skewers and the Wild Horse.

Last week I met a nice gal in Smileys but she said she was on the rags - nice of her to tell me. Now in the early part of this week she is busy busy like a ***** (i.e female dog) on heat. Give up on her. More fish in the pond.

Actually I am quite happy with the non WL scene at the moment. After the third and fourth meeting they seem to relax and come over.

OzzieSuds

07-11-07, 10:18

Interesting the way the forum edits that term for a female dog on heat. Hmmm.

Sidhartha

07-18-07, 03:04

OzzieSuds

07-18-07, 07:06

Hello Folks

I have been a member of this board for a long time and I am planning a first time visit to HCM.
I have read back a while, but I am still not getting a good sense for what a quick visitor to HCM should do.
Can someone prioritize the places I should go to? Massage? Bar? What is the quickest and most painless way? Exact locations will be appreciated.
Or if a report already exists I will appreciate a link.
Thanks.

Massage does not generally offer extras in HCMC.

If you are making a quick visit the bars in Hai Bai Trung and nearby all offer take-out with prices from VND1 mil and up. But you need to negotiate.

Note the comments about the large hotels NOT being girl friendly. This is a result of government dislike of these activities and this is also the reason why specifics are not discussed in this part of the forum.

Teyes

07-18-07, 17:49

Hi,

Just wanna let you know what price hasn't change for street walkers or bikers on Tu Xuong Q.3, on Ng T Tuyen Q.Tan Binh, and in Q.11 but cant remember street name. It's 100-120k for ST, local price. Some are very ok.

Bingotwoballs

07-19-07, 02:51

Hi guys! Is there anything going on at or in the vicinity of the Metropole Hotel in Saigon ( HCMC ) i.e. massages with es , etc ? Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks

Jazzy Boy

07-19-07, 11:28

Maybe it might be better to split them up into separate threads

1) Hotels
2) Massage parlours - each MP with their own thread
3) Clubs

Etc.

Been searching thru this whole thread

And had a bit of a tough time getting what I need to know

LOL

Going hcmc this weekend.

I heard that going to the clubs might be expensive as we are required to open bottles.

Is that true?

Do those bars in HBT have cover charges and are the drinks expensive?

I think their concept is pretty similar to some places over here in singapore, thinking of going in there, buy a few drinks, get girls numbers and meet them later.

BBBJ

07-19-07, 21:56

I'm also traveling to HCM at the end of next week. Read back 30 pages or so and still feel I don't know much.

Absolutely no disrespect to the valued posters in this thread, but I feel like many postings in this thread assume the reader has been to HCM many times. For frequent visitors to HCM this won't be a problem, but for a first-time visitor like me, it definitely is.

I Also agree with setting up dedicated sections for hotels, bars, etc.

I read several posts of some people not wanting to indicate which hotels are GF because they fear the Vietnamese autorities might be reading these forums. IMHO, I think that's just silly. These hotels run a business and being GF (or not) is part of their business strategy. If this is really such a forbidden practise, then they're obviously paying of the right people. I don't think some posts in this forum will have such a big impact.

In Bangkok it's strictly forbidden for the girls to dance totally nude in the gogo bars, yet it's no secret that (among others) Long Gun in Soi Cowboy has all nude shows every night. They simply bribe the right people with enough money because they know it will attract more people to go there >> Business Strategy.

So please, let's have a full list of GF hotels :)

BTW, I find it totally bizar that the cheap hotels (30$/night) tend to be GF, yet the upscale hotels (400$/night - Park Hyatt) are not GF. I work in the hospitality business and find it hard to believe that these upscale hotels are 100% "clean". I've stayed in many 5-star hotels around the world and have yet to find one that didn't allow/offer adult entertainment at a price.

For example, some years ago I used to travel to Moscow frequently. There the cheaper hotels were notorious for shaking down guests for extra money when trying to bring a girl in. However, the expensive hotels, like the 4 Marriott's they have there will allow this at no extra cost and can even offer you some girls from their inhouse selection.

Can anybody shed some light on this?

----
Update:
Just after posting this post, I found an incredibly insightful post from Asian Rain on page 45 (I think). In one post he covers the basics about hotels being GF, bars, moto girls, etc. Even includes a map as reference to his post. Really excellent and (I think) a must read for all mongers going to HCM for the first time. Link below:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=413984&postcount=809

Sidhartha

07-20-07, 05:22

BBBJ

07-20-07, 09:38

BBBJ, I agree, that is an informative post by Asian Rain. Unfortunately it is two years old, and you really cant go by it any more. In a fast evolving place like HCMC a lot will have changed in that time. Especially the specifics that first time visitors need - names, directions, cost.

Ouch! I hadn't noticed it was already 2 years old.

May I assume that his post is still accurate, but that prices have pretty much doubled since then?

Saigon Daze

07-20-07, 10:16

Do those bars in HBT have cover charges and are the drinks expensive?The HBT bars don't have cover charges. The ladies are pretty agressive at asking for lady drinks and there tends to be a minimum limit as to how many you are supposed to buy before being allowed to go, but this isn't always the case. Bargaining is a key at these places. Walked by HBT 49/51 last night. They were loaded with attractive ladies (seemed like more than usual) and they were all out on the curb trying to get me to come in. There were also a few ladies roaming around on motorbikes and a few others just hanging out on the corners in this area.

There is also a new bar on Dong Du. It's called the Chili Bar and its across from Saigon NY and a couple doors down from Cafe Latin. I believe it just opened this week as it is in the same location as I used to get my hair cut. 5 or 6 ladies that I saw inside, but didn't stay long. I was not asked once to buy a lady drink, which really surprised me.

Sidhartha

07-22-07, 20:20

I hope you post your experiences after visiting HCMC. They will be useful for other first time visitors. I will look forward to reading how you made out.

BBBJ

07-24-07, 01:22

I hope you post your experiences after visiting HCMC. They will be useful for other first time visitors. I will look forward to reading how you made out.

I sure will!

OzzieSuds

07-24-07, 03:40

There is also a new bar on Dong Du. It's called the Chili Bar and its across from Saigon NY and a couple doors down from Cafe Latin. I believe it just opened this week as it is in the same location as I used to get my hair cut. 5 or 6 ladies that I saw inside, but didn't stay long. I was not asked once to buy a lady drink, which really surprised me.

The Chili bar has been there about two years and the premises are a travel agency by day. Travel closes at 5 and bar opens at 6.

This is a quiet bar where there is no action in the bar and no take-out. Similar to Bob & Hiens on the corner. I have met some girls from there for lunch in the hope of an afternoon session but no go.

Nonthab

07-24-07, 17:12

I spent the weekend in HCMC looking at the work/living situation & have now decided to move there in October. I stayed at a small hotel opposite the Go2 bar on Bui Vien st, $15 a night, no take in, noisy as hell, didn't matter though I was too buzzed to sleep much. Go2 bar seems to be open 24 hrs.

Saturday was a strange day... Spent the morning looking at work prospects, then watched the rugby & football. Went for a wander, then a very cute girl approached me on a Mbike down Tran Hung Dao st/ave, very good English. Offered massage & 'make love' for 150K. Zoomed off, she drove crazily fast, went down many side streets, alarm bells went off, I have a great sense of direction so I knew we made too many corners, at one point someone on a Mbike starts yelling at her, she zoomed off.

Got to her place, sped upstairs, had me naked in 7 secs, down for a very noisy massage, very suss now, I kept my head facing the wood panelling & saw someone come in the room from the reflection in the panel, a tall woman in her thirties, made some excuse & left. Getting pounded again, again saw her come in, she wanted room money, told her 'later'.

Cutey moves my trou to under the pillow, tries to get me to suck her nipps, not interested due to the weirdness of it all, twists my head around & I felt something odd, so I sat up just in time to see the other one taking all my money. Seems there's an entrance to the room through the bathroom. Got it all back, left, took note of the place, tried to tell the police, they're not interested, kickbacks I guess. My hotel knew of these scam artists.

The flaw in their scheme was the execution, too rushed, too pushy, very amateur in execution, massage was so not a real massage. Lucky for them I'm not a violent guy & then who knows who else is in the house. I did see an old lady in the next room & there was a young guy waiting on a Mbike outside who offered me a ride, no way. Was close to the main road anyway.

Have to thank Asian Rain for saving me here, I read in a post of his something like, 'Don't trust them, they don't trust you, so why should you trust them'. Gave me a healthy sense of distrust. Thanks again, I owe ya a night on the town. :)

Ended up the night with a short time half chinese girl, good basic sex.

Very odd way to spend my birthday, even more odd because I was so busy all day I completely forgot it was my birthday until I was at the airport the next day.

First night I found a street girl who was just great, the most eager BBBJ ever, v good sex, pleasantly chatty, nice way to start my bday.

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Brenno

07-24-07, 20:09

My report for Vietnam.

Good morning Gentlemen, here is my poor report in Vietnam.

Thought I had in Saigon my very best experience in BBBJ fine art, this was mostly a lucky exception of a general bad attitude of the females against their job. To tell the truth, I've never knew a female with a good attitude, if one would desire, as men desire, she would just ask for action, not for money, isn't it? So, wether we all like to think sometime they like to do, imagining their moaning and uuhh-ing and yesss-ing are real expressions of feeling, after all they will ask for money, and that's mean, they do not think what they felt has a value, as you. Yes may be they like, but never as much as doing free, that's mean they don't care to do or not, they do it just if they earn something, in many case this something is a dinner, a supper, or a hook to a richer country, earning doesn't necessarly means money, but never never free. Ask all your freebie if they would go for free with a man of their country, even well covered and hidden from everybody, may be in another city where they will not be recognized. They will always answer no, because they don't have nothing to gain. Me, when I got satisfied I feel to say thank you, not ask money, but of course I am a man, females are very different. Anyway vietnamis stuff is the worst I've met in south-east Asia, thought the worst down there, is one billion times better of the nicest smartest western female, wich at last I call "unuseful stuff".

Saigon: arrived in Saigon via Bus of Mekong Express from Phnom Penh. Good service good deal. Stopped in backpackers headquarters in Saigon Phan Nung Lao, got a motodop quite quickly to Mac Thi Buoi at Dong Do, wich I reserved via email 2 days before. Better to reserve in advance. The staff is gentle and nice. Dong Do is ok, quite new, no smell, clean and quite. Definitly GF, they keep ID card and they call you after. Unuseful thing, they ask if it's all ok, you would like to scream with all your evilness in the phone "No, she was bad, she didn't do nothing, she was just a rubber dolly, she was alive as beefsteak after 40 minutes bbq treatment", but at last what can you say, you answer "yes" because nothing really happened anyway, and just a fool can be relieved of money from those very lazy females.
Went outside at night, crossing the street walking 3 minutes until U2, got around the corner of Hai Ba Trung and after a block here is it. 3 or four go-go bar. Went in #49, dealing is easy, mamasan say the right price at first you don't have to bargain (I already knew form ISG because I was just a silent reader). There are many cutes in vietnam, but this depends to my eyes 'cause I like that type of meat, thin, white and fragile. Picked up a nice one and got back to Dong Do. She was all time worried of being outside with me, like she was scared about something. She asked for a taxi not to walk, I told her it was just a minute walk to hotel and then we went. There is some kind of moralism going on in vietnam, by police, you don't have to be really aware of, but females have to. Worst experience ever, as long as I got back to #49 with her and complain with mamasan. Unuseful act, but better not keep silence, future is going darker anyway. Of course I didn't get money back 300.000dong. Next day I went to next bar of #49 wich I think it was #53 I'm not sure of number, anyway just walked ahead. There was a young papasan there, I told him the yesterday's experience and he told me "I help you choose". Then came Hong. I was tough with her. I told her "if I cum I pay, if I don't cum I don't pay, please repeat". Then she repeat, and I ask repeating it both mamasan behind the bar and the papasan guy, in front of her, make sure the deal was ok for everybody, i told them "this way, take it or leave it". I was gentle but firm, wich is the right attitude in vietnam, never get angry, but never be smooth. We went to Dong Do, what she did, I don't know, she just took off her clothes, took seat in between my legs, and managed the little fellow in a snap I was cumming, not for a short shot, she sucked like a vacuum cleaner, I should call her Hoover. It was more like pissing in her mouth, it won't stop. Next evening I was back to her, same course but she managed some sort of haul to a short time hotel far away because her pimp warned her there was police going around, she sayed. I didn't like and I got wrong mood. She reacts same and we was leaving with angriness but I stopped her at last and we did, BBBJ as before. Thought the day before I could be surprised for, second time I was not, but the course was the same, vacuum cleaner turned on and... 800.000dong. Excessive price, usually yes, not in this case, but I was luck. what I've learned in this experience: if they want to satisfy you they know how to do in seconds, but most of the time they just don't want and don't care because they will get money anyway.

My impression: she was so small she was scared about dimension of western men's dick, then for not being hurted in between legs she just devoleped a good tecnique for empting your balls firstly, and if one thing has to be sayed about vietnam is that when they decide to do a thing they do it very very well. On the other hand if they don't like to do a thing they do it very very badly.

A pimp in the middle of the road, most of mototaxi driver are, introduce me a SW stuff. Won't worth, bad attitude, the only thing I've got is a bedroom plenty of nutshell she kept eating all time long. 200.000dong wasted.

One night went inside U2, the gogo bar on Mac Thi Buoi near Dong Do hotel. Many times its females pulled me in, in pasts days. Then I went. Waste of time. No friendly, no cuteness, no gentleness. Get there and you'll see from the very first time they aggressivly pull you from arms. Was after the hoover treatment I had been dried out. Then I didn't have any kind of desire, went in just for the fun having a beer in between girls. You should see how female world behave when there are no potential customer around. I was alone inside with them and showed them my pockets to be sure I didn't have money. They even checked out and touched me all along my body like security stuff at airport. When they were sure I would have never been a customer, they start to injury me, they told me the worst thing I've ever heard, and inside the bar, cause none was watching them they behave wildly like monkeys, figthing between them. I was just laughing because I had nothing to loose and it was my last day in vietnam, but I've seen how females really behave when there are not customer around, their real nature.

Nha Trang. Sailing Club is getting alive only at 11-12 in the night. Very misterious behavior. Females come in small packed, they keep togheter all time long and do not talk neither watch to any other. You must attack them. Some nice, some not. Forget youngness, you will not find in Nha Trang, may be in barber shops but they will keep watching tv even if you ask for them. There was a spanish guy there, talking with me, he told me he was living there and that females are 80% *****s there and also they all hate him because he never pay them. Ok, nice thing to say but where are all these *****s? Show me. He was unable to. It was plenty of those bunches but he told that night there were neither one. Many chat about Sailing Club, to me was nothing at all, didn't get none. Other places in Nha Trang didn't found. Have been to Sun hotel, the guy at the reception send me a friend of him, very cute and nice, she came in, looked like a porcelain dolly, and as porcelain behaved. In front of Sun hotel there is a barber shop. I tried the experience. HJ for 5$. Quite bizzarre experience. Resting on the massage bed, half naked, she hand-managed me while watching a tv. Then 4 more girls came in the back, just hidden by a courtain, and watched me while hand-jobbing. They were all serious and watched me like if I were a strange animal coming from Mars. Those all 10 eyes made me cum, don't know why, and they all smiled.

Plenty of backpackers everywhere, Sailing Club full of western women's cattles dancing and behaving wildly, as you all very well know. Traditional tourism stay in the north part of the city wehre many big hotels are growing, Nha Trang is fast becaming like Acapulco.

Took airplane of vietnam airlines from saigon to Nha Trang, 36$ ticket, don't hassle with 8 hours bus, there is nothing to see along the way. Buy the ticket ad HQ of Vietnam in Saigon, it's easy and fast.

I am quite a good man, easy going, had a good time in thailand, in cambodia, but I don't know why, in vietnam I kept fighting with every female. Boh.

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OzzieSuds

07-25-07, 04:19

This report is somewhat dated as the U2 bar has been gone for a long time now having been transformed into bar 29 on Dong Khoi. Bar 29 now has quite few new cattle who were not part of the scene at U2.

The information about Dong Do practices with female visitors is also typical of the hotels in that street. The exception is Bach Dang next door.

As for the performance in bed with the gals from the HBT bars I find this quite contrary to my experience. I must have taken 20 girls from those bars and all of them except one performed like the natural sex fiends they are outside of the bar environment. My only exception was one who had a personal problem with my hotel - sister or someone worked next door and would see her going in.

As for the mamasan giving you proper price up front - no need to bargain. This is absolutely incorrect as you have to bargain all the way. Unless you are picking some hag that no-one else wants. The only mamasan I do not bargain with is the one on Dong Do and that is because I buy her drinks and we established the price a long time ago.

It is true that if the girls know the police are around they will want to get a cab no matter how short the ride - or maybe walk behind you a few yards. They know what is going on - respect this. You are not going to pay until the deed is done so they will not run away.

And the report by Nonthab serves as further warning about going off to some ST hotel selected by the girls.

Raphael Lovaa

07-25-07, 10:14

I just arrive in saigon, yesterday and I was hanging arround bui vien area, I met som nice working girls there but the price they ask me was way to high on my hears. 200 box 2 year ago it was arround 50 us but I don't know if the price grow that hig in 2 year.

I was in danang 2 week a go and I pay 27 us (this price sound fair) for a pretty decent prestation the girl was cute and reaaly kind.

So I didn't know what to think when I heard this price, I know they try her chance and double the price. But I think 100 or 150 it a bit to high for a street girl.

Can you tell me what is the normal price here, because one hundred it near to 3300 thb, and in bk for this price you get a hig class thai.

Thank you by advance.

Rapha

Brenno

07-25-07, 15:29

This report is somewhat dated ...Yes, you are right, it refers on February wich make it a little "dated", hope not too much unless in 5 months the world completley changed. I just registered few days ago. Did you see the title of my report? "poor report", I'm not a professional, just hang around and try, I wrote report for my little contribute, wich I think is fair, and being as honest as possible. When I read about a country, wich I am actually doing about indonesia, you know wich are the most useful report? The ones of the newbies, because the professional write down their personal adventure, wich can be fun but won't help in any manner. Or write things referring to a territory knowledge most of us do not have, then turning out to be almost not understandable, or writing down, as many do, just personal sexual experience like ISG were a porno-magazine, wich still can be fun but for real help on the location is unuseful. Actually I am on 1500th report of jackarta and I still don't understand where action take place, out of blok M. Simple report are for simple persons. Sorry if you bother to read it. But I mean, if a newbie ask questions senior complain, if a newbie write a report senior complain so what should a newbie write? I know, keep silence wich I certainly will do as in the past two years. Anyway. Sensations about girls are personals, maybe I am not the kind of man for vietnamise then I didn't get good experiemce, maybe you are more suited to them so you fully enjoy them. Good for you. Last, if I write I didn't bargain, is because I didn't bargain, you can trust me or not, is your right not to do, to me happened that way, why, I don't know.

Sorry for the flame, it will stop here.

Playsafe

07-26-07, 01:58

BBBJ

07-27-07, 00:33

[QUOTE=Raphael Lovaa]I just arrive in saigon, yesterday and I was hanging arround bui vien area.

The price of SW is determined by several factors. The location you meet the girl, the quality (looks) of the girl, how the girl dresses, what the girl's demeanor is like, who else is involved in the deal & your negotiation skills. The motorbike girls/girls at the zoo area still about 200k for a ST. The girls at some small bars like Guns N Roses on Pham Ngu Lao St. are about 300k for a ST. The girls at Apocalypse are about $50-$100 for a ST. The girls at Gossip are about $70-$100 for a ST. Not sure what you meant by "200 box". If you meant 200k, then that's about right. If you meant $200, that's no way. The only way the girl is worth $200 are the high class call girls. These girls usually have played a small role in some low budget movies or have competed in some music/model contest but didn't do well. In order to get a hold of them, you have to know who their pimps are. These pimps usually hang around the high class coffee shop or night clubs.

Is this just me, or is HCMC seriously over priced? If these are the prices you're quoting, I'm assuming that every average Joe, not knowing how to negotiate, is charged double???

$100 for short time??? That girl must have a platinum pussy, natural perky E Cup tits, and suction power that rivals industrial vacuum cleaners. Holy momma!

I haven't even been to HCMC and already I'm being ripped off left and right:
-> Ticket from where I live to HCMC costs 2x as much as to BKK for example, while there's less distance.
-> Hotel prices are nuts if compared to the living standard in Vietnam.
-> ... and even the hookers are expensive!!!

What is it that has made Vietnam so rediculously expensive?

...guess I'm having an anxiety attack from all the high prices ...and I haven't even been there yet!!

( time out: 5 minutes)

Ok, now that I have calmed down, let's get back to business:

Do the bars also charge a barfine when taking out the girl, or is that included in the price? If charged seperately, what are the barfine charges?

OzzieSuds

07-27-07, 06:19

To Brenno - not seeking to flame you my friend - just pointing out things that are contrary to my experience.

As for prices.

Bargirls from HBT or nearby are usually starting around VND 1 mil for LT and go up to VND 1.5 mil. They will typically ask for more and you have to bargain. As part of this bargaining process they might introduce a bar fine or minimum number of lady drinks. I always roll this into a total price that I am prepared to pay the girls after the deed. And if they will not budge from an unreasonable price then I will walk.

The girls at places like Apocalypse are asking about VND 1.5 mil which is about what Playsafe said. I have never found one attractive enough to negotiate a deal so I reall don't know their bottom line.

This sort of prices level (VND 1.5 mil) also applies to the girls from Catwalk or Club Royale. These girls are getting to the model quality but I also have found to be prima donnas - don't mess my makeup, careful of my hair etc etc etc - I just can't be bothered. Late in the night you might get them down to VND 1.2 mil.

There are cheaper girls on motorbikes etc but I don't touch them. I have had
some girls who were selling books and stuff on the street.

For BBBJ - the thing about Vietnam is that the need to negotiate is paramount. I think the Vietnamese set their opening prices higher and negotiate harder than most other Asians. Its part of the game and you have to live with it and negotiate to get to a fair price. If they will not budge then walk away.

Air travel to Vietnam is tightly held by the cartel and bargains are hard to find. Domestic fares are regulated and cheap. The big Hotels (Renaissance, Carravell, Sheraton, New World, Hyatt) are fairly expensive but very good. But there are a lot of reasonable or even cheap local hotels.

And food and booze are cheap and excellent quality.

Playsafe

07-27-07, 12:21

[QUOTE=Playsafe]I haven't even been to HCMC and already I'm being ripped off left and right:

-> Ticket from where I live to HCMC costs 2x as much as to BKK for example, while there's less distance.

-> Hotel prices are nuts if compared to the living standard in Vietnam.

-> ... and even the hookers are expensive!!!

Do the bars also charge a barfine when taking out the girl, or is that included in the price? If charged seperately, what are the barfine charges?There are several factors that cause the prices of Hotels & hookers to be so high:

1. Real estate in downtown area is extremely expensive.

2. Punishment for SW getting caught in the act is extremely high.

3. Being called a hooker is really shameful in Vietnamese culture.

4. The girls in downtown & Hai Ba Trung area are for non Vietnamese speaking Johns only & the tourists. That might be why I've never heard of HBT until I found out about this site. Excellent site BTW. Now there are several people in this deal: the mamasan/papasan, the owner, the guy who supplies girls to these bars, the cops & the mafia.

If you want to get a good deal, IMO, this is what you should do. Go into a bar & just have a drink. If the girls ask you to go to the hotel, you say "not today" then give them some stupid reasons for why not today but do get their phone numbers so you can set up for an after work session with them. You can cut all the middle persons out. If you speak Vietnamese, even better, you can leave downtown & HBT area & go to other districts further out where you can find some really nice looking girls for $20 for ST & $40 for LT.

I don't understand the term "freebies" in this regard. Unless you're young, good looking & live there for a while, I feel either way you will have to pay. If you don't pay them with money, then you would have to shower them with gifts. Since it's shameful to be named hooker, there are girls out there who don't want to be named "hookers", but they actually have sex for monetary or material gain in a very subtle & amateur way. I have met several of them. They never name a price before the deed. After the deed, they always find a reason for needing the money such as a sick mother at the hospital or her younger brother needs money to pay for his school or some stupid reasons. Talking about money without them asking for it or before the deed, you might give them the impression that you think they're hookers. if they're the pros, you should always ask about the price before the session. If not, you will have to pay a lot more.

I've never heard of bar fines. Maybe just in the bars near HBT. Whatever fines that you have to pay, in other areas, they are usually included in the price. Maybe just the condoms & the short time mini hotel or guest house fee. In some Bia Oms ( beer & girls), you have to drink a 24-pack of beer before you can take the girls upstairs. Be careful! That case of beer can cost you anywhere from 300k to 500k. You don't have to drink the whole case. The girls just pop the cans left & right. You just have to pay for it.

If I have to pay for it, I never want to stay at the 4/5 star hotels. For me it's just a bad idea. The thieves love people staying at those hotels. You can get a hotel at the Pham Ngu Lao area for $20 with every amenity you can imagine, maybe not a swimming pool & a dance club or a tennis court.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to be ISG expert here. I write ONLY what I know & what I have experienced.

Good luck hunting!

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Simian

07-27-07, 14:38

OzzieSuds

07-27-07, 18:44

Not attempting to be overcritical of you Sudsoz but I thought that a correction was in order regarding air fares to Vietnam. A few years ago it was true that air fares were high because there was no competition. Now that Air Asia, Tiger Airways. Jetair (I think they are operating now) and a few other carriers have moved in, prices even from the national airline have come down.

If I want to travel next couple of days then Tiger and Jetstar want around US$130 one way to SIN including taxes. VN is about $300 return and SQ $350.

Like many places the cheap fares are only available if you book weeks in advance. Not my profile.

Fact is I can get realtime fares SIN BKK or SIN JKT for about half of what SIN SGN fares are.

I think the issue is that Tiger and Jetstar do not yet have enough capacity to have cheap seats available. Tiger used to but not now. And if I was in their shoes I would be looking at the yield and not adding capacity too fast.

BTW there is some good advice in Playsafe's report.

His comments about freebies are quite correct. With a little time and patience it is possible to hook up with non-working gals but with gifts and dinners etc it might cost you almost as much. I often buy the duty free Tommy-Girl perfume in a twin pack and split the pack as gifts. The results are instantaneous and awesome because all the perfume in Vietnam is crappy copies.

Cowboy Brew

08-01-07, 17:13

[QUOTE=Playsafe]

Is this just me, or is HCMC seriously over priced? If these are the prices you're quoting, I'm assuming that every average Joe, not knowing how to negotiate, is charged double???

$100 for short time??? That girl must have a platinum pussy, natural perky E Cup tits, and suction power that rivals industrial vacuum cleaners. Holy momma!

I haven't even been to HCMC and already I'm being ripped off left and right:
-> Ticket from where I live to HCMC costs 2x as much as to BKK for example, while there's less distance.
-> Hotel prices are nuts if compared to the living standard in Vietnam.
-> ... and even the hookers are expensive!!!

What is it that has made Vietnam so rediculously expensive?

...guess I'm having an anxiety attack from all the high prices ...and I haven't even been there yet!!

( time out: 5 minutes)

Ok, now that I have calmed down, let's get back to business:

Do the bars also charge a barfine when taking out the girl, or is that included in the price? If charged seperately, what are the barfine charges?For tourists, getting laid with gorgeous girls in Vietnam is never easy and never cheap, unless you are damn lucky. What the heck are you bitching about? if you can't handle the hassle, just DON'T GO to Vietnam for your sexual needs. Bangkok is ideal for your needs. and I don't know what the heck are you complaining about over the USD100 being charged. Most gorgeous girls worth their salt in Bangkok are charging 3000 to 4000, some even 5000 baht nowadays in Bangkok massage parlour for ST. Please don't compare them to the girls in agogo bars in Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy or Patpong. They are simply incomparable and that's why customers in massage parlours are willing to pay that kind of prices.

Spider916

08-02-07, 08:52

I fully agree. VN is fanatastic now for business and its an amazing country for normal tourist stuff. For expats it must be paradise, plenty of frerebies possible but that takes time. For mongering holidays better stick to the Phills or Thailand.

[QUOTE=BBBJ]For tourists, getting laid with gorgeous girls in Vietnam is never easy and never cheap, unless you are damn lucky. What the heck are you bitching about? if you can't handle the hassle, just DON'T GO to Vietnam for your sexual needs. Bangkok is ideal for your needs. and I don't know what the heck are you complaining about over the USD100 being charged. Most gorgeous girls worth their salt in Bangkok are charging 3000 to 4000, some even 5000 baht nowadays in Bangkok massage parlour for ST. Please don't compare them to the girls in agogo bars in Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy or Patpong. They are simply incomparable and that's why customers in massage parlours are willing to pay that kind of prices.

ParnellCat

08-02-07, 13:45

A few thoughts about Vietnam. But first an introduction. I’ve been mongering for about 20 years after being innocently taken by a taxi driver to the Nana hotel in Bangkok in my early 20’s. All I said was, ‘know a cheap hotel’ and that was that. If ever there’s a hotel that deserves a book written about it, it’s the Nana. I doubt if there’s a single place on the planet that’s had so much pussy pounding going on. The same trip I discovered by the same kind of accident Angeles City.

I’ve been based in Vietnam for about 4 years (by choice) but spend about half my time with work outside the country, usually in Thailand, Phillippines, Cambodia, Singapore, Hong Kong, Shanghai etc.

I speak a little Vietnamese.

But Enough of that.

A few observations for HCMC. The cheaper the hotel is, the more girl friendly it’s likely to be.

I’d recommend trying hotels in the 25-50 price range on Thai Van Lung or in that area. The Medal Hotel for example.

Or else any of the hotels on the streets around Binh Tan Market.

All of these places are inconsistent as to policy as it depends who’s on the front desk at the time.

5 star hotels are a waste of time for the Monger.

As for the girls, it truly is a much more an insiders game here due to all the reasons stated by others here, but it’s also a great place for those mongers who like the thrill of the hunt.

All you need to find is the right pimp, motorbike or other. Find a good one and you’re into a world of absolute cuties which should cost no more than 500,000 dong ( USD 30) even to a foreigner.

Find a bad one and you’ll end up alone in some dark alley minus your wallet and watch.

You are very unlikely to ever be physically harmed if you hand over the items, and you’ll never forget the experience.

I should know I’ve been held up at knifepoint twice, ( not in Vietnam) and gunpoint once.

But I quite like the adventure mongering for a change of pace.

Admiitedly finding a truly good pimp isn’t all that easy as most of the ones who approach you will be high on the smell of your money.

As a local, I can have a super hot girl delivered to my house faster than a pizza and the problem most expat’s have here is there are far too many girls.

The other best source of girls here for anyone with a bit of time, is other girls.

Find a local café, not an expat one, find a waitress who speaks English and before you know it they’ll be pimping their friends.

MTV should start a Pimp Your Friend show.

These girls will mostly not be working girls and usually looking for a sugardaddy or boyfriend, although I’m not sure what the difference is. Technically these girls are freebies as the direct transaction of money for sex isn’t the norm.

But you can find some true genuine model quality beauties this way.

Having said all of this, if you’re just a monger with a short time there are plenty of girls in all the bars listed here it’s just a matter of luck in finding quality, as the turnover in these places is as high as the tourist prices.

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Traveler1234

08-02-07, 22:50

You make some good points. HCMC for visitor can be pricy. I've got some local connections but these business associates are more of the high roller types. They claim street price for US$100-150 ST/LT...quality is good but as noted not 'cheap'.

So Parnellcat - would you be willing to act as an unofficial ISG pimp for some of us?

:)

OzzieSuds

08-03-07, 10:09

ParnellCat

08-03-07, 14:25

Part of what I do is marketing related but the best marketer I’ve ever come across is my Number one pimp.

Last night for example I received sms’s from about 4 girls and my main pimp.

The girls don’t bother to call as they know I never answer.

The fact they’ve even got my number says something about these girls as I virtually never give it out unless the girl is exceptional in some way. I have a small harem ranging from GFE girl ‘Shygirl’ through to one dirty old porn dog who is a cum hungry monster. But I like the variety. It’s fun to purpose build a harem but it does take a little effort to maintain. I have 8 girls in this inner group.

This is the exact transcript of my main pimps txt from last night.

Have very lovely new gd one. So beautiful. 19 yr arrive HCMC today. Never working before. You want try?

I know it sounds like a car ad, one little old lady owner but my main pimp after 4 years of being his best customer very rarely lets me down.

Number One pimp is studying a business degree by day and is now in his 3rd year. He only has a small group of regular, in his own words “trustworthy and reliable clients.”
A pimp looking for trustworthy clients?

Actually that says a lot about Vietnam. His occupation is high risk and just to operate he still has to pay off the mafia.

But he has a niche market and he sticks to it. He is smart and focused and has a very clear goal in mind. He only deals in quality. No drug addicts, street *****s, or as he explains ‘indentured girls”

So of course I had to try and I set a time. Number one pimp is number one also because he’s always on time and his quality is unbelievable.

I love the moment of when they arrive and you never know what’s going to turn up.
Last nights girl was exactly as described with long straight hair down to her butt in a ponytail and an awesome figure.

They’re usually very shy at first because often I’m their first westerner .

But I can speak enough Vietnamese to relax them and get them laughing and then…
She complained at first that I’m too big but really it was because her pussy was too tight.

But these girls all know that I tip well for good service. I have Number One pimp brief them up front.

What many of these girls lack in experience they make up for in enthusiasm and fun.

I paid less than $40 for 3 hours of fun.

Most of these girls don’t speak any English.

As to sharing the pimp’s number it would be obviously counterproductive.

There are plenty of them around. The mafia runs whole rings of them. There are several groups on the fringe from the most common but lowest quality, often rip off merchant Honda Om guys, to the niche quality pimps. The best advice I can offer is you won’t find this kind of quality pimp outside Q bar or Apocalypse.

Get out to the upmarket Vietnamese cafes, early evening. Size it all up. It’s trial and error. It takes time. The very best pimps are not the ‘Motorbike you’ guys in the tourist spots but you can get lucky with those guys too. Occasionally you might find a good one cruising Thai Van Lung or outside lush or Gossip. Personally I’d avoid all the ones around Q Bar or Apocalypse.

In HCMC, if you look, you will find.

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Spider916

08-03-07, 17:03

Most of the international 5 star hotels are nowadays gf during the day and some also at night, if you are discrete. The governement owned ones (Saigontourist) are usually not at all.

One of the owner of a small bar on HBT, I got friendly with, told me he hears or sees almots everyday of some foreigners being robbed late at night by motogirls and their gang. I don't know if this is true or if he was using this agrument to sell his girls.

I witnessed again some drunken Aussie or Yank or Brit getting a serious beating in Apoc after pestering a normal girl who was there with her bf and friends for a normal night of dancing. Not all the girls in Apo are players. Mots but not all, some just like the music and atmosphere. If they decline your advances, smile and move on. Within a matter of seconds there were 5 VN guys and the securtiy guard jumping him. Some guys will never learn not to pick a fight in VN( or Asia for that matter), you just can't win, because it's never a one on one but a five against one.

Cavechu

08-04-07, 00:28

Parnellcat,

you are one lucky few who is able to enjoy that supply if you know the source. all are possible if one adhere to rules of discretion and games. I was trying to send u private msg but it said yours account does not accept or received them.

Casey2005

08-05-07, 20:26

Like Parnellcat, I know the importance of having a Vietamese friend who is trustworthy and who will introduce you to some of the naughtier aspects of HCMC. I know a xe om driver. He's not exactly a pimp, but like most Vietnamese males who have grown up here he knows where the locals go to have to fun. He is very friendly and speaks both English and French. I trust him which is saying something since in my experience most xe om drivers will try to rip you off. I'd be willing to share his number. He'll take you to the hot toc and bia om places that the locals frequent. He'll bargain with the owner so that you won't be charged the tourist price. I usually pay him 50,000 VND each time which makes him very happy and which is well worth it since many of these places I would have been unable to find on my own. He has offered to take me down to the Mekong Delta where I understand there are numerous opportunities for FS for only 100,000 VND.

Aozzom Mobbq

08-07-07, 11:53

Just a heads up mates.

A group of people (big guy with bunch of girls) are in Apocalypse that try to get guys to go to their bar (Cheers) on Bui Vien Street when Apocalypse closes. Saw them talking with head manager so Apocalypse is supporting them/getting kick backs. Cheers is open all night. Went there, got over charged, offered drugs, etc. But is only place I know that is open all night. So, if you want to find a place to drink all night and don't mind the scamming.

Luck mates.

Saigon Daze

08-09-07, 00:51

I was at Catwalk last night with some Malaysians. Had a pretty girl with big boobs and heavily permed hair. Starting price to come back was US$250 and could not get her to budge under $200.

I guess this means that someone is actually paying these prices.I was quoted that at Catwalk a year ago. I told her she was pretty, but not that pretty and told her to take a walk.

Columpuss

08-09-07, 03:44

Does anyone know what happened to the scooter girls around the zoo? I drive pass there on the way home every night and lately, there seems to be not a soul patroling the area.

Aozzom Mobbq

08-09-07, 16:57

I was quoted that at Catwalk a year ago. I told her she was pretty, but not that pretty and told her to take a walk.These clubs are generally for Japanese and Koreans. They have big company expense accounts. So, they don't care. Their entire business culture is based on working hard all day and then going to Karaoke bars (also taking customers) to 'relax. ' Then taking the girls from the place home. It's paid for by the companies.

Ling5588

08-10-07, 04:05

I was quoted that at Catwalk a year ago. I told her she was pretty, but not that pretty and told her to take a walk.Can you tell me her number or name.

Because I'm living in HCMC too.

Thanks

Newbie

08-17-07, 08:05

Parnellcat,

Congrats on finding such an awesome contact. I am on my way to starting my own little harem but without the middle man. It takes a longer process but the results are still the same. I have found some awesome ladies from Apocalypse, Gossip, Palace, Bia Oms, Saloons, MGM, Aqua, and I have never paid anything more than USD$100. Some of them only cost me a price of a simple lunch for 2 under VND50 000. THis is in no way saying I am "Al Cheapo" or the gurls are really bad, just that I treat them with respect and I try my best to make them feel as comfortable as possible.

Sudsoz,

Once again, thanks for the great info. As for USD$250 to book a ger in Catwalk, most probably its either the Japs, Koreans or Taiwanese are doing it(No offence meant in anyway). I have personally seen them tip the girls VND 500,000 up to VND1 Mil before and not only once but on numerous occasions.

I have been based here in HCMC for 19 months and counting and I can honestly tell you the place and attitudes are starting to change or maybe I am just feeling jaded about the whole thing.

Just another thing.

Was at Gossip a few nights back, saw a caucasion guy being forcefully dragged out by the Security. Asked them what happened and it was becuase the guy approached a lady and tried to chat her up but she ignored him. And due to this, he poured his drink over the girl's head. Go Figure?!?!!?!

Elvis1969

08-17-07, 09:40

Can you tell me her number or name.

Because I'm living in HCMC too.

ThanksLing,

Why do you need that specific girl's name and number? They are ALL working girls there in Catwalk and Club Royale. Just go in and pick one and start negotiating. With a little bit of time, effort and luck, you can get them down to $100-$120. Which by the way is still too expensive. I miss Bangkok.

Parnell - sounds like you have a nice little situation going on. Have fun.

BBBJ

08-30-07, 22:06

Hi guys,

I visited Saigon earlier this month for business.

The Airport:
An absolute horror. Reminded me of the horrible airport of Kiev. Taxi from the airport to the city is cheap as long as the meter is on. Don't remember what I paid, so i guess that proves my point ;)

The City:
Saigon/HCMC is a city very different from other cities in Asia. I've been to most major cities in Asia, and I find this one intriguing. I found most people very intelligent and eager to show how well educated they are. Their level of English was surprisingly high.

The city gave me somewhat of a European vibe... but then better ;)

Women walking around in the traditional Vietnamese clothes that split on both sides revealing their skin gave me an instant boner ;)

Pretty much everything in the central area is geared towards tourists, so be ready to bargain hard (or pay the price).

The Hotel:
Stayed at the Duxton hotel. Booking through a local Vietnamese travel agency will give you a major discount (even cheaper than Asia Rooms dotcom). I paid $70/night including TAX, SC and Breakfast. Got a room at the top floor overlooking the city.

The Duxton is a typical business hotel. Many business people from Singapore and Japan there. Service at the hotel was fine, breakfast was actually quite good and the rooms were ok. Nothing special, but at $70/night not bad.

The main gripe I had was the charge for the internet service in the room @ $18/day. The business center charged a whopping $1/minute for internet access.

I knew going in that the hotel was not GF, but had no choice.

The Hunting:
After being there for a week and checking out the scene, I was somewhat underwhelmed. The fact that the 3-5star hotels or not GF, was a MAJOR turn-off.

Checked out Gossip Club:
High-end club for dumb Asian business men that want to get drunk and blow a huge amount of cash on overpriced drinks/hookers.

It was raining when I arrived by taxi. One of the security people welcomed me with an umbrella at the taxi (very classy) and escorted me inside. More security gards gave me an overfriendly welcome with much handshaking.

Inside, as I said: 80% drunken Vietnamese, Japanese and Singaporian businessmen. About 15 working girls all chasing the guys that were most drunk.

If I remember correctly, a beer was $10. I finished my drink and left ...not my thing.

Club 29:
Close to Majestic hotel and in walking distance from most of the other major hotels.

It's a small bar with not too many customers (at least the few times I was there). Every night they have about 20 girls inside, and most of the time I was there alone or with 1-2 other guys.

Girls will approach you and haunt you for lady drinks (150k/shot). Buying a girl a lady drink allows you to fondle her, grab her tits/ass/pussy and kiss her for about 10-15 minutes.

There weren't many hot girls there. Just one behind the bar with big tits and and nice body. Baught her 2 lady drinks and enjoyed the fondling.

Got her to give me a BBBJ with CIM upstairs in what I call "the cave". She started asking from $75, but I quickly changed the currency to Dong (never negotiate in dollars!) and got her down to 300k. She performed good service, strong suction power and a full CIM. After I came, she cleaned my tool and sucked it some more ...a nice touch ;)

The next day I walked around again, checked out some of the other little bars, but found nothing special. Ended up going to Club 29 again. Baught the same girl a lady drink again, and started negotiating for the takeout service. Again, had to switch from Dollars to Dong as she started asking for $150. Eventually I took out my wallet and started counting the bills. I said I had only 1 Million Dong with me so that would have to cover the minihotel and her services. She kept asking me to goto an ATM machine, but said my ATM cards don't work in Saigon.

Took a taxi went to some cheap mini-hotel in the backpackers district (just behind the central area). A real turn-off for me. There were staff sleeping on the stairs, in hallways and just outside our room.

The rooms were...well....cheap, but I kept telling myself I wasn't here to sleep. Still...it was a major turn-off for me (I could actually hear one of the ladies in the hallway snore).

We took a shower together, and then dried ourselves with the mini-towels. We went at it, and came in her face after about 10 minutes. Had a rest, then started banging her again. Came in her mouth after 15 mins.

While she was very nice and willing to do me all night long, the whole environment just turned me off, so I decided to leave.

I took out my wallet and gave her the agreed 1 Million Dong. She then started whining about the charge for the mini-hotel, but I reminded her firmly about the agreed price that included the mini-hotel.

As a tip: negotiate the price with the girl that includes the mini-hotel. Otherwise when you arrive at the mini-hotel, they will rip you off with a high price and of course the girl will get a comission for that.

Freebies:
I had a freebie experience here with a friend of a colleague. I'm not into this whole freebie thing, but it kinda snuck up on me.

All I can say is that many girls here are eager to hunt a western business man down and give him the ultimate gift. Of course they do expect the whole relationship thing and will be sure to give you the ultimate guilt trip if you are not into that... Don't think I have to get into this too much. For me, it's simply not worth the time, money and guilt trip afterwards.

While I do like Saigon and the women very much, when looking purely at hunting, I still prefer Bangkok ...but that's just my own personal opinion.

I'll be back in Saigon for a few days next week. This time will stay at the Ho Sen hotel. I checked it out when I was there and when you don't have to entertain business partners in a fancy hotel lobby, it will do just fine. Internet is free, rooms look pretty good and most importantly ... GF!!!