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Chocha Monger

05-16-05, 03:46

Impotent ex-husband ordered to pay damages.

Italy's Supreme Court backs woman's 'right to sexuality'

REUTERS

May 12, 2005ROME - An impotent Italian man who kept his problem a secret from his wife until after their wedding must pay her damages for "eroding" her right to have a family, Italy's Supreme Court has ruled.

The woman, identified by the Italian media as Cristina S., was quick to get her marriage annulled in the 1990s after learning to her horror that her husband could not consummate it. She then demanded damages, saying she had been robbed of her "right to sexuality" and the promise of a family. Despite losing legal battles in lower courts, she kept appealing, and finally the Supreme Court found in her favor.

"Her fundamental right (was) eroded to fully realize a family, as a woman and a wife, and eventually as a mother," according to excerpts from the court ruling published in Italian newspapers on Thursday. -Reuters

Gentlemen, the basic point here is that Western women in general believe that they have all the rights in relationships and that men have none. This attitude is no longer just limited to the USA. In fact, it is like cancer spreading throughout the body. It is no secret that contemplating marriage in certain countries is foolish. I wonder if a man could get damages awarded to him if his wife hid the fact that her pussy was loose or that she was barren until after the marriage?

I concede that the husband was wrong to have concealed his condition but the marriage was quickly annulled and the woman was free to exercise "her right" to a family at some other man's expense. The way in which she dogged this man until she got some money out of him smacks of extreme vindictiveness.

Chocha Monger

05-16-05, 04:58

I think that the majority of us agree that American women are not the best choice for relationships that exceed a few hours or less in duration. However, I am interested in seeing some real alternatives besides the occasional mongering foray beyond our national borders. Some mongers may wish to go into retirement, mitigate the risks of the hobby by having one partner for a long period of time or they may not have much time for travel and are unable to relocate overseas for one reason or another.

I have noticed that in Latin America many women have husbands who have immigrated to the USA or Canada to work while their wives remain at home. I am sure that there must be American men who work in the USA and have foreign wives who remain in their country of origin and only visit the USA on tourist visas. This arrangement might actually work quite well since the woman would not be living in the USA and would be unlikely to become Americanized especially if she does not speak English and only visits for a short period of time.

I would like to see some posts from people who know of such or similar arrangements where guys are pretty much tied to their jobs with little vacation time. Hopefully, some useful ideas and options will appear for guys who are fed up with American women and really want to do something about it apart from going on parole from sex prison.

Sporadic

05-16-05, 06:44

Chocha Monger,

Actually, frigid and barren women CAN be divorced or annulled ( the marriage, not the woman!) very easily in a canonical marriage. Particularly if she was aware of her inability to reproduce and concealed this fact.

As to looseness, that is relative. How well is the individual hung? ;)

Cheers,

Sporadic

Smut Villain

05-17-05, 02:04

Chocha Monger,

That sounds like an idea I posted on the "Suggestions" section of this forum some time ago: my idea was to have an "expatriate" forum where present, former, and wannabe expatriates could share notes pretty much along the same line as what you're talking about.

The inspiration struck me because, as a member of this forum for some time now, I've noticed that quite a few guys here pretty much agree that Westernized women basically suck eggs. The problem: not all of us can relocate at the drop of a hat, and probably wouldn't know how to do so, anyway (things like where to get a job, citizenship issues, buying/renting a house, etc.). A lot of us here apparently want to do it but just don't know where to start.

I guess that's why I like Mexico so much: besides being shackled with a weakness for Latinas, I was able to live as a "de facto" expatriate for five years by living (and exclusively mongering and dating) in Tijuana and Ensenada, and working in San Diego. The advantage was that (1) a man could live like a king on an American salary that would be considered "small potatoes" in the U.S., especially in Southern California; and (2) relatively little work needs to be done to establish one's self in a Mexican town, espacially one bordering a major U.S. metropolis.

As you can see, Mexico was a very easy foriegn country for relocation. But what about the guy who wants to go to Australia? Or Thailand? Or (for that matter) any other country not so close to U.S. shores?

Long Stroker

05-17-05, 03:37

That's one hell of setup, Smut Villain. Did you cross the border each day? What was your average round trip commute time?

Long Stroker

05-17-05, 03:50

Chocha Monger

05-17-05, 13:31

Smut Villain,

Your arrangement where you lived in Mexico and worked in San Diego was very ingenius and a great compromise between having to move entirely to another country. Straddling the border can be a good solution for Mexicana lovers who want to avoid citizenship issues and the challenge of finding a job in Mexico that would pay enough to support their needs. Thank you for sharing your experience.

How, as you mentioned things get a bit more complicated as you move further afield. Countries that have relaxed immigration policies are being forced to tightened up and enforce tougher regulations as part of the "War on Terror" and the drive to keep illegal aliens out of the USA. This has inadvertently affected Americans overseas because there are no exceptions when foreign immigration officials start checking to see who overstayed their visit without going through the necessary bureaucratic red tape. The increased scrutiny has landed the Honduran Chief of Immigration in jail when it was discovered that he granted visas for Chinese illegals enroute to the USA via Honduras and sold passports to Colombians and other foreigners living in Honduras.

The ideal thing would be to bring a girlfriend to the USA to visit from time to time but this is much easier said than done. It is almost impossible for a female from a lesser developed country to get a US visa, especially if she is young and sexy. I have known a few who actually managed to get one but I think that it was due to pure luck and the consular official having had a marvellous BBBJ that morning before showing up for work.

Getting a tourist visa for a foreign wife may be easier and might offer a way around the pitfalls of permanently transplanting a nice woman to the USA only to have her become American. Marriage even overseas is still a big step but I think this might be a way to cut down on the risk and enjoy the best of both worlds. You don't have to file any papers swearing to support your wife for the next ten years in the USA since she is just visiting for a short time and there is very little incentive for her to try and run off and marry a wealthier man because: (1) She is already married (2) As a non-immigrant she is only legally in the country for a limited amount of time and cannot adjust status without first leaving, assuming that she is able to divorce and marry someone else willing to file the necessary paperwork. I think that these are two possible safeguards for those who want to go that route.

Smut Villain

05-18-05, 00:21

Dude, the more I think about this, the more attractive it sounds. Vastly reduced cost of living, like you said. All the benefits of 3rd world living with a first world salary, without the inconvenience of living overseas. Can you elaborate more on the overall mechanics of how this thing worked for you?

Well, I'll try to keep it short but to the point. I was in the Navy at the time and wound up getting stationed in San Diego. Nobody really likes staying on base, but when you consider the price of living in Southern California (even 10 years ago) this was a prohibitive option, at best. That's when a Hispanic-American friend told me about living in Tijuana, and I took the bait (haven't regretted it either). Here's how it stacks up:

Commuting to/from work : I lived in Las Playas (literally, "the beach") so I chose to drive. A good way to avoid the infamous hours-long waits at the San Ysidro line (the main point of entry) one only needed to go to the next entry point (was it I-805? I can't remember now). Otherwise, the S.D. trolley only takes 30 minutes to go from the border to downtown San Diego. You usually get no hassle from U.S. Customs when crossing, but be careful about who/what you bring across.

Housing : Average rent in Tijuana was WAY less than in the U.S. (I was paying $400/month for a five-bedroom house). Yes, Mexico does have cable TV and other amenities, but at a much lower cost IMHO. $30 easily got me a week's worth of groceries. Most of the heating /cooking power is via natural gas (don't forget to turn your bottle in to the neighborhood truck every week!). CAUTION: It's very, very true what they say about the water, do NOT drink it from the tap - use bottled water instead (you'll immediatley notice how NONE of the locals will drink their own tap water). You can safely bathe and do laundry in it, though.

Emergency Services : Comparable to being in a rural part of the U.S. in a lot of cases: the doctors aren't bad in an emergency (but stick to the U.S. for more serious stuff), and when you get away from downtown the cops aren't even that bad (a lot of them are even honest - imagine that!).

Depending on the neighborhood, the natives can be very friendly indeed (just great for dating/messing around). Just don't live near the fence, as that's like the ghetto (crime included).

I could go on but there's too much to talk about. Best thing about all this was that one only needed to move across the border to get the ball rolling, that's it. No passport, no visa, just go there.

Moore

05-18-05, 00:39

SM,

Thats an informative post about TJ, I wouldnt have ever considered doing that. Not because Im lazy, I just have heard nothing but horror stories about Tiujuana. I have been to Mexico several times but mostly just the tourist areas like Cancun and the Texas border towns. I did go to Monterrey once and that place is not bad. However moving there would be something else since there are other places that are so great like Brasil / Argentina and also much cheaper. Also and most importantly, is there anything good about mexican women? Most of them I knew in the USA were so ugly I was turning them down. Also from my experience they tend to be quite conservative and religous (quite the contrary in other Latin American countries). One of the last girls I dated before leaving the US was mexican, she didnt give blow jobs, whats up with that.

Moore

05-18-05, 00:43

Forgot to ask, are there any Caucasian women in TJ, or are they all aboriginies / indians like the Mexicans in the US?

CBGBConnisur

05-18-05, 02:28

Moving overseas has its own set of complexities, most of the Americans that I have met, who have succesfully moved abroad, tend to be highly successful. This is especially true for Americans who have moved to Europe. Australia isn't a difficult country to migrate to if you are under the age of 45 and are a skilled professional. Europe(at least the 15 original EU states, Norway, and Switzerland) and Australia have a standard of living that is comparable to the USA but both places offer a more relaxed lifestyle, in the form of longer vacations(Australians get about 5 weeks to 8 weeks off per year, Europeans in EU countries get 6-8 weeks).

Smut Villain

05-18-05, 02:51

Moving overseas has its own set of complexities...

Yeah, that's my point exactly; hence my proposal for an "expatriate" forum. Moving to another country is not exactly the easiest undertaking in the world, and does indeed have its own pitfalls. But, if done right, it can be worth the trouble for the right people (for example, you seem to be happy... :) )

Smut Villain

05-18-05, 03:16

I just have heard nothing but horror stories about Tiujuana...

Actually it's no coincidence that most of those horror stories occur in the tourist areas. Kind of like judging the entire U.S.A. from what you see on only one street in only one town.

Also and most importantly, is there anything good about mexican women?

Aside from the fact that I haven't experienced half the head games from them as I have from American women, and that they seem much more approachable (of course, speaking fluent Spanish doesn't hurt ;) )

Most of them I knew in the USA were so ugly I was turning them down...

Of course, you were in the U.S. at the time. Besides, three of the most attractive women I've ever dated were south of the border (just stay off the well-beaten tourist path).

Forgot to ask, are there any Caucasian women in TJ, or are they all aboriginies / indians like the Mexicans in the US?

Actually they come in all flavors (just like American women). When you consider that the Spaniards had a colony there at one time, it makes sense that some of the people actually have European bloodlines (ever watch blond-haired blue-eyed Christina, the Univision talk show? And how do you explain Shakira?). I've even seen Mexicans with African bloodlines (they tend to come from the southern regions of the country).

I had many of the same doubts the first time I visited Mexico, but spending a week down there quickly erased any preconceived notions I may have had. Now I miss the damn place.

Bart9000

05-18-05, 06:29

Hi All,

There is a comprehensive source of information about expatriation on the internet:

www.escapeartist.com

I also would like to see an expatriation forum here on WSG.

"Bart"

Dickhead

05-18-05, 07:47

Well, I have met Moore and he does speak good Spanish. I have successfully expatriated myself and I think the following are keys:

1) Language skills. I speak good Spanish and some French. You need to research your areas of choice and learn the language before you show up there!
2) Portable job skills. This is a tough one. If you are a white collar professional, you will find that many of your skills don't transfer. You may need a more blue-collar type of skill. In my case I am a skilled cook, can operate a variety of heavy equipment, and am a landscaper.
3) Cultural knowledge. You'll likely not fit into the society you move to if you don't know anything about its history, for example.
4) Patience, flexibility, and initially reduced expectations. You'll be uncomfortable at times, lonely at times, and frustrated at times. How will you handle this? Will you cut and run back to the US or whatever your home country is at the first sign of problems, or will you give the situation some time to develop?
5) Some money saved up. This may seem obvious but you will not be increasing your Social Security benefits while living abroad, in most cases. At some point you will be old. Once your dick can no longer get hard it might or might not be worth it to live abroad any more. You may need to move back to the US, Canada, or wherever you are from at that point and eating cat food would not be a fun thing in your dotage. So I am talking about money saved up that you never touch while you are an ex-pat.
6) Guts. Balls. A sense of adventure. The ability to make a decision and never look back, only forward.

México, while it may be the easiest for Americans and Canadians, is far from the best. And I love México. It is just that it is sexually conservative and not that cheap any more. And, you cannot drink the water. The poster who talked about commuting from TJ to San Diego I am sure had a good deal given his situation, but these border towns are not really México. The central highlands of México are awesome. San Luis Potosí, for example.

However definitely avoid Argentina. Crime is rampant, the women are fat, and the country is overrun with rats and bugs of all kinds.

CBGBConnisur

05-18-05, 17:03

Dickhead, are you sure you are referring to Argentina? If that was a description of Brazil, I would believe it but not Argentina.

Dickhead

05-18-05, 18:54

That was a joke. I just don't want any more fucking gringos coming down here and messing everything up.

Chocha Monger

05-19-05, 00:08

I'm sorry for you Dickhead but I think that the gringo invasion is inevitable. Eventually there will be so many gringos that the price of real estate and pussy will sky-rocket. History tends to repeat itself in many places, for example Costa Rica. Puerto Rico is a really extreme case of the results of this pattern. The island is not a state but it might as well be. The women there are almost bad as the ones on the mainland US except that they look better inspite of all the fast food joints on every corner.

Think of Argentina as California during the gold rush. However, prospectors are searching for a different kind of gold. If it is any consolation you can blame American women for pushing the gringo hordes ever further South. Now give me some tips on how to go about staking my claim on Argentina's pussy market before the other monger's price me out of a good deal! ;)

Dickhead

05-19-05, 04:39

Well, you want to learn to speak Portuguese which is the official language of Argentina. You also have to get used to living in a tropical climate. Most people won't be able to handle the spicy food here, either, so get used to that. Plus, you have to learn to get along with black people as Argentina is about 70% black. Buenos Aires still has mostly unpaved dirt streets with open sewers or "jubes" running through them, and the donkey and ox carts tend to make getting around very difficult. But it's fun seeing the indigenous people in their native garb, placidly carrying their laundry on their heads to go wash it in the river.

OK all that is bullshit too but please go to Costa Rica instead.

Smut Villain

05-19-05, 07:02

OK all that is bullshit too but please go to Costa Rica instead.

Dickhead,

Too late - I think you already fucked up (get ready for the Gringo invasion :) !)

Seriously, I don't think you have too much to worry about. From my experience, most Americans (while not entirely averse to visiting a foriegn locale) are a little too closed-minded to consider becoming an expatriate by choice (remember your rule #6?). Or, in some cases, they're so ignorant of other cultures/countries that they have no idea of what they may be missing; you know as well as I do that a lot of people in the U.S. haven't had the opportunity to experience other cultures as we have (as an example, despite the proximity of San Diego to the international border you'd be surprised that more guys haven't taken advantage of the situation the way I did; I was sort of a rarity, actually).

So don't worry - most of the Gringoes will probably stay home by uninformed choice.

Prokofiev

05-19-05, 13:59

"From my experience, most Americans are a little too closed-minded to consider becoming an expatriate by choice. Or, in some cases, they're so ignorant of other cultures/countries that they have no idea of what they may be missing"

Smut,

What they are missing may be quasi-legal SW's and low priced pussy, I'll grant you that. But try to earn a decent living in Mexico or Argentina or Ukraine. Good luck. There is a reason that people wait in line or risk their lives just to get to the US. Economic opportunity, stability, freedom. I don't want to be the "I Love the USA" cheerleader, but I have been to TJ quite a few times. Call me crazy, but I would still prefer to live here. I like to drink the water. But even if I didn't, the opportunity to get ahead, support one's family and earn some serious cash is going to decide the day for most . . .

_P

Dickhead

05-19-05, 16:58

The degree of freedom I experience now is far, far, FAR greater than the degree of freedom I experienced in the United States, which is rapidly becoming a fundamentalist theocracy.

Sporadic

05-19-05, 19:00

So true DH. Since 9/11, laws have changed that IMHO change the character of American freedom.

The fundamentalist wave, though nothing new, has moved into the political area like never before. The "moral majority" of the early eighties was nothing more than a taste, a tiny taste of what is happening now. Scary, very scary.

Where I now live (Europe), I have to carry a national ID card, and the police have powers to stop you on the street or in your car without probable cause. Guess what? They only bother "troublemaker types." The John Q. Citizens never get bothered.

Who is more "free?"

Cheers,

Sporadic

Prokofiev

05-19-05, 19:56

"the police have powers to stop you on the street or in your car without probable cause. Guess what? They only bother troublemaker types" . . .

Well, that could put me in possible jeopardy. And Dickhead for damn sure.

While a want the freedom to buy some pussy or smoke a joint, I also want the chance to have a decent job or start a business. Or drink the water for that matter . . .

Sporadic

05-19-05, 21:47

Pro, let me clarify.

When I said troublemakers, I was talking about very shady types... the kind that would get extra attention in any airport immigration queue. I am not talking about t-shirts, or long hair, but unkempt. Not unshaven, but unwashed.

Begging in the street, obviously shit-faced at 9am, slept in the gutter kind of "troublemakers." Any reasonable person, certainly anyone with the disposable income for p4p would not qualify.

Cheers,

Sporadic

Dickhead

05-19-05, 22:01

Well, sometimes I am shit faced at 9 AM but that's only when I'm on my way HOME. Anyway down here you can get laid for $6 US if you want to so it doesn't take a whole lot of disposable income to monger. BTW I have had zero contact with cops in the 14 months I've lived here but in México they definitely can and do stop you and search you with no probable cause. That happened to me in Guadalajara in 2004 and no, I wasn't drunk, and no, I wasn't mongering.

Actually there are some pretty hot looking female cops here. Nicely made up, cute hairdos, a little jewelry, not like the fucking bull dyke macho ball busting pit bull female AMERICAN WOMEN cops.

Moore

05-20-05, 00:48

Multiple comments

1st I think we should be on another thread since this is the American Women section.

2nd I agree with DHs last post, which at least partially pertains to the proper subject. I have sprained my neck a few times looking at female cops in Buenos Aires.

3rd Prokofiev, right on. The US may suck in some fundamental ways but theres no doubt where Id go as an immigrant looking for the best overall prospects for my family and I, the USA, like my grandparents did.

4th Smut Villian, are there any sexy non-indigenous women in Mexico other than movie stars, pop stars, and rare decendants of ancient Spanish colonies that "actually have European bloodlines" (lets talk about the common women you see all day everywhere in the street for a second)? I havent watched Univision lately so I dont know who Cristina is. Pretty sad when you have to think of soap operas and MTV to come up with a "mexican" (isnt Shakira Colombian?) woman that you wouldnt have to headdress with a grocery bag. To me the point of relocating is to go to a place overridden with attractive sexual women (ie supply far exceeds demand). I just never saw that in Mexico anywhere. Its the worst country I believe Ive ever visited for women, although well-travelled colleages have told me that Bolivia is worse.

5th Argentina will never be Puerto Rico or Costa Rica. Its simply to far away for that to happen, which has been proven well my many other great places that have existed for many years. See other threads for more posts.

M

Dickhead

05-20-05, 08:22

Shakira is indeed Colombian, born in Barranquilla. I love México. It is deep in my heart and in my soul and I have been going there since I was six years old. However, it is chronicly fucked for reasons that are very complex to explain, upon which I have expounded in earlier posts. But and importantly, although the average quality in México is fairly low, some of the most beautiful women on the planet can be found there. Just so fucking gorgeous that when you look into the liquid pool of their eyes, you melt clean away like the tigers in "Little Black Sambo." And to fuck a Méxican chica takes the time and patience that I once had before I discovered South America where pussy is on a rack by the door. Catholicism is a serious thing in this country. But once they give it up, IME, they give it all up; heart, soul, pussy (ass not really but homey don't go there), and they are loyal. However, being loyal also means they are jealous as hell; it's unbelievable.

But as Moore points out, this is the American Women thread. So, in conclusion, I would state that the average American woman could not fuck her way out of a dry cleaning bag. In contrast, Méxican women have handed down through the ages an excellent pussy control that they will only show you if they actually like you. Otherwise, they just lie there. And yeah, they would rather fuck than suck.

CBGBConnisur

05-20-05, 21:44

That was a joke. I just don't want any more fucking gringos coming down here and messing everything up.

I don't have any plans to live in Argentina, currently I'm in Australia and am very happy here, Australia's got all of the comforts of the US but the women are not as prudish as American females, especially towards sex. I could get laid buying a couple of beers for a 20 year old blonde Elle lookalike. For obvious reasons, leaving the US and moving to another country is not an option for many. I tried Europe and wound up severely dissappointed(seeing a security guard in a Budapest Supermarket with an AK-47, living in an apartment with no heat, sticking out like a pimple on a donkey's ass because I only speak English, etc.), they just don't accept foreigners over there, even Americans will have substantial hurdles to climb in order to live and work legally there. The economy is in the complete shits over there because of the overvalued Euro.

Dickhead

05-20-05, 21:56

Why is it Europe's fault that you only speak English?

Smut Villain

05-21-05, 01:54

Why is it Europe's fault that you only speak English?

Dickhead, I don't think that's what CBGB meant by his statement. Gringos can stick out like a sore thumb in a lot of places, even Australia (I know I did when some "Sheilas" heard my American accent).

Anyway, there doesn't seem to be a concensus on which country is the best for relocating. I think one man's princess is another man's troll, and the only thing anyone here seems to agree on is that Westernized women pretty much drive us to consider such drastic measures.

P.S. to Prokiev: I never said I wanted to work in Mexico - I'm not crazy ;). Maybe that's why I liked "straddling" the border; I get to have my U.S. $$$$ while spending what is (even during present times) considerably less on living expenses than in a lot of American locales.

Dickhead

05-21-05, 02:51

Prokofiev

05-21-05, 06:26

DH!,

"How many people have ever wanted to rob a bank? Well, one way to rob a bank is to default on your credit cards. Buy an RV with your credit cards"

Hey, thanks for the sound financial advice. How's that illegal job coming along at the Mansion?

Have you been hitting the sauce again tonight???

Chocha Monger

05-21-05, 07:34

During my divorce, my ***** of an American ex-wife filed a number of false accusations against me to get as much money as possible. One of her allegations was that I had intentions of fleeing to South America. The judge recognized that as bullshit immediately since there was no evidence of me liquidating or transferring assets. Anyway, when I discovered how much money I had to pay in alimony and child support combined I actually contemplated making good on her lie.

However, there is one little detail that must be taken into account when becoming a fugitive from financial obligations. You can never return. This includes transitting through the US when travelling by air. For some reason most international flights from South America to other regions seem to transit through the US which would not be good for you if you're a wanted man.

What happens if they were to cancel your passport? If you only have US citizenship then you're screwed. I'd rather find a way to send the old hag a check rather than having to look over my shoulder for the rest of my life. Being an American illegal overseas sounds quite adventurous but I'd check out the alternatives first.

Dickhead

05-21-05, 16:32

No problem, PK. Any time. Another great way to make money here is to buy all your beer at Norte where the deposit is 60 centavos and then return them all at Disco for 65 centavos. It's huge.

Or marry a rich American woman. I've married four American women and been widowed each time. The first three died from eating poisoned mushrooms and the fourth one died from a blow to the head. That's what she gets for not eating the mushrooms.

I don't work at the mansion, though. I tried to talk them into paying me 50 pesos to cook the dinners, so that there would not be 20 steaks, all medium well, and so the chicken would not sit out at room temperature all day long, but they were too cheap to do it.

Fuck banks. They lie all the time. For example "18% APR" is really over 19.7% effective interest.

CBGBConnisur

05-21-05, 16:57

What is so "drastic" about relocating to another country? Look at the EU (another reason CBGB's post is suspect); you have 20 countries with different languages, customs, cultures, and cuisines, and the people are all moving freely about. Look at Amsterdam. It's absurd to say they "don't accept foreigners there."

Why is relocating to another country such a big deal as compared to relocating to another state or another city? It's fucking easy if you do some research and preparation. I've lived in six countries in my life. Four of them I enjoyed more than living in the US. I bet I will live in at least five more countries before I die.

Don't know the language? Learn it. They won't let you work legally? Work illegally. Don't have any money saved up? Sell your house and your car and your stupid assed jet skis and ATVs.

How many people have ever robbed a bank? How many people have ever wanted to rob a bank? Well, one way to rob a bank is to default on your credit cards. Buy an RV with your credit cards. Stock it with food, clothing, and other supplies on your credit cards. Drive it into México and disappear.

FUCK Bush.
FUCK American cows.
FUCK the religious right.
FUCK anything that will stand still long enough.

I lived in Europe for nearly, a year, I didn't think that I was free to move about in any way. In most European countries you have to register your address and purpose of stay(if more than 3 months) with the local police department. One of the below posters mentioned that Europeans carry national ID cards and can be arrested by police without probable cause and for merely their appearance. I talked to locals, especially immigrants(who are pressured to 'assimiliate') who feel very ostracized and left on the periphery of society. The economic situation in Europe is absolutely terrible, most European countries have 10+% unemployment, Germany has 12.6%(some regions of the country have joblessness as high as 30%) and it is considered to be the richest country with the best standard of living in Europe. What good is it to go to a country where even the local people can't find a job?

Honestly its better to take off for a year, find your girl, charm the hell out of her and bring her back home to some small town. I think if you a bring a foreign women to a big city in America, the glamour and lights might change her, if you go someplace more low key it might be different.

Sporadic

05-21-05, 17:24

CBGB,

Try looking at your last post from the perspective of an immigrant to the US.

Not expected to assimilate? Having to register? ever heard those PSA´s on the radio? All Immigrants must register etc?

30% unemployment, granted in some cases, but with free medical care and basic social services in most countries.

Cops being more tuned in to "shady types" is a worldwide fact, try it sometime with a southern Sheriff!

Hey, do whatever you want, but I suggest a US citizen will have an easier time all-around than would a non-Us citizen emigrating to the States.

...and to keep things topical, my first wife was ´murican, the second European. Guess which one is better. ;)

cheers,

Sporadic

Sinanju Master

05-21-05, 21:39

Hey gents!

I've been reading the recent subject matter and I find it very intriguing. I think all of you (especially you, ChochaMonger) should purchase and read the book by J.J. Luna titled: "How to be Invisible". The stuff is ALL legal and will keep you below the radar of the constabulary and the government WHEREVER you may reside. Many of the tactics laid out are those that I myself will employ in the not too distant future when I am able to do so. The book was written BEFORE 9/11 BUT this guy has survived and PROSPERED "underground" in a society that was even MORE repressive than today's "DubyaLand".

Smut Villain

05-22-05, 08:41

Heh, looks as if this discussion on expatriates has taken on a life of its' own. I was tempted to comment on how we might be getting a bit off subject, but when you think about it this really isn't that far off topic; after all, why wouldn't any man consider moving elsewhere when trapped in a nation of self-centered, manipulative, and sometimes emasculating little trolls masquerading as "women"? Perhaps this discussion actually deserves its own forum after all?

I don't know if this expatriation thing is right for everyone, but admit it - it's probably crossed your mind at least once in your lifetime :)

Rock Dog

05-22-05, 17:54

I'm gonna do it for sure.

My plan is to save up as much as it takes. Then I want to have one house here and another one in my country of choice. Then I'll live a 6 month 50/50 split btw the two.

That way one can get the benefits of both, enjoy good weather all year 'round without missing out or getting homesick.

Just in case you guys think this sounds too expensive, remember that in many countires it cost maybe a grand a month to live like a king. That will pay for the airfare. In fact, I'll actually need LESS money to retire..... even factoring in the extra $$$ for a second house.

Rock

Prokofiev

05-22-05, 17:58

Smut,

I usually don't post stuff like this since I truly believe that most of Mexico, including Mexico City is SAFER than my own neighborhood. After all, the US is one of the most violent countries on earth and my area is worse than most. But this post from the TJ board seems relevant.

And if you live somewhere but don't work there, well the little problem of supporting yourself rears it's ugly head. I am a long time advocate of earning your money in the US and retiring or living part-time abroad and have done so in various countries - Spain, Mexico. But packing it in early to move and live in most foreign locales is usually an economic mistake IMHO.

As to getting back to the topic of American Women, I also am a big supporter of the gals here in the US of A. Too often you guys compare having a marriage or LT relationship of equals here in the US with some 18 yo Latina SW without shoes who you met on a weekend vacation and blew you for an ice cream cone. Apples and oranges. Until you've had some reasonable LT relationship with a professional Mexican or Argentinian woman, you simply can't make any meaningful comparisons. I've dated several upper class Mexican women - lawyer, college professor, store owner, etc - and believe me, they were very conservative and wanted much the same things as Am. women. In Argentina, I found the ladies to be surprisingly status concious and very concerned with appearances - especially yours. Same thing in Spain. Yes, the street pussy is better and cheaper but the comparison ends there. And looking over my lifelong list of conquests, I must confess that the best lover's I have known were all Americans. And one of them was other here last night . . . Thank God. Have Fun, -P
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--Tijuana Awash in Wave of Violent Crime
The slaying of a police official Saturday is the latest in the region's string of killings, many targeting wealthy businessmen.
By Richard Marosi
Times Staff Writer
May 22, 2005

TIJUANA — The exploits of the Comando Negro, or Black Commandos, are part of a dark season of violence that has set new standards for brazenness and frequency in this crime-weary city

Fueled in part by warring drug cartels, bodies in recent months have been turning up almost daily in empty lots, ravines and streets. Many victims were mangled by torture, their heads wrapped in tape. Some bodies have been dissolved in tubs of acid. One body, the son of a local magistrate, was missing its right hand.

Homicides in Tijuana totaled 163 in the first four months of this year, compared with 92 in the same period last year — a 77% increase.. In April, 55 homicides, a monthly record, were committed, police said. Los Angeles, by comparison, a city more than two times larger, had 36 homicides in April.

Tijuana's crime surge is part of a wave plaguing many Mexican border cities. Crime in the Tijuana metropolitan area, Shirk said, has reached unprecedented heights. "This is probably the most bloody period of Tijuana's history," he said.

Crime waves are nothing new in this sprawling border metropolis. Previous surges in violence have claimed the lives of politicians, high-ranking police officials and prosecutors. But some recent incidents have spilled into public places in upscale neighborhoods that in the past had been mostly free of violent crime.

Rock Dog

05-22-05, 19:53

Prokofiev,

You said that we were "comparing apples and oranges" when talking about US women versus Latinas. Then you went on to state that several high-class mexican women that you dated wanted similar things to north american women. I'm gonna make one assumption here... and will take it for granted that these were fairly attractive, professional type women.

The thing is, you actually got to go out with them in the first place! So many women here are homely, average, or out of shape. So many of the pretty ones are already taken. The ones that aren't frequently turn out to be lesbians, man-hating or just plain loaded down with so much emotional baggage from past relationships that they aren't worth the time and effort it takes to get to the fun part.

Sure, you can't just expect to get laid right off the bat with an upper class hispanic woman. But at least you have a decent chance of finding a good one who will like you.

Rock

Smut Villain

05-22-05, 20:47

Rock Dog, thanks for taking the words from my mouth :).

Prokofiev (sorry about getting your name wrong the first time), none of this is really news to me - remember, I lived there for five years. While there is truth to what you say (I've even seen it myself), the dating scene still tops what I'm experiencing back in my home territory. And no, I'm not necessarily talking about street girls. Like I mentioned earlier this isn't everyones' cup of tea; it's just something that worked for me. Doesn't mean it's the ultimate solution. My fault for not clarifying that earlier, but I'm sure you know what I'm saying anyway.

Besides, there were other reasons I preferred life south of the border; I love the culture, and that city seems to have a certain energy flowing through it, even during the weeknights. I really enjoyed myself there.

But you do bring up some excellent points for one to consider before taking the plunge.

Dickhead

05-22-05, 22:44

prokofiev and i have never met but we were in argentina at the same time, banging the same hooker on basically alternating nights. now she sure as hell wasn't status conscious or concerned with appearances. i dated a lawyer down here and she raped me on our first date. i met another young lady, 19 years old and from an upper class family. it took me two coffee dates and showing her how i worked over the internet to get into her pants.

so obviously my argentinean experience was a lot different than his, probably because he is more of a classical violinist while i am just a fucking dickhead. either way it sure beats the us of a. my best lovers have all been latinas. i happen to know where pk lives and i think the women there are probably way above average by us standards but the weather there sucks. here we have a nice four season climate and more women than you can shake a stick at.

but don't forget about the snakes and the malaria here. leprosy too. stay away.

Chocha Monger

05-23-05, 05:31

Thank you for your recommendation of that book Sinanju Master. It seems that it has quite a bit of useful information for guys in my situation. I will acquire a copy and study it deligently.

"As to getting back to the topic of American Women, I also am a big supporter of the gals here in the US of A." Prokofiev, I can't blame you for feeling that way. Hell, today I got the best BBBJ of my young life from a hot blond all American girl. She sucked my dick like a candy cane! She didn't touch it with her teeth even when the truck hit a curb and lurched wildly sending my shaft deep into her larynx. When my volcano blew its dome, she didn't try to back off as my scalding load blasted her tonsils. The best thing about this meaningful life experience was that it only cost me $25. It seems that when American women want or need money really badly they can surprise you and step up to the plate. When the going gets tough, the tough get blowing. The best part is that I really didn't think that she would go for it when she was told what I wanted in return for my kindness. Anyway, American girls do have their purpose in life just as long as things are kept in perspective. ;)

My two cents on professional Latina women is that it is true that they are concerned about appearances in their community. However, this can be misleading if taken out of context. These women may ask you to dress or behave conservatively in public but in private they will screw your brains out while begging you fuck them in the most inappropriate manner. One particular woman comes to mind now. She had a very serious face and though she was very beautiful it made one hesitant to approach her. After some time of enduring reproaches from her for my vulgar language I finally got into her pants one night. She hadn't had a shafting in a while and she was hot and explosive. Later she confided in me that she was wet and craving for cock but had to behave conservatively since no one in the community knew that she was dating me. Apparently, once she introduced me as her boyfriend her colleagues in the neighborhood understood my extremely late comings and goings. :)

Prokofiev

05-23-05, 05:51

"I happen to know where PK lives and I think the women there are probably way above average by US standards"

Well, I live in New Orleans and if you mean prettier, that's a long shot. But the women are probably more friendly and more drunk and the tourists are always looking to get into trouble.

Still, I would prefer to think that my luck with American women has something to do with ME . . . Perhaps not.

As to María, she dropped out of school at 13 to be a maid. As a broke single mom without education, I wouldn't consider her a valid comparison to American Women in general. And we WERE paying her $money and could both be her father. A sweet girl who gives great head and then washes the dishes, but I can't say I learned much about Argentinian women from her. What you learn is that prostitution is legal in much of the world and the girls will work a lot cheaper. With that, we have no arguement.

CBGBConnisur

05-23-05, 13:54

The point that American women are crap has been made thousands of times. That is a simple deduction, but getting to move abroad, particularly in this day where there is a lot economic slowdown around the world is an issue.

Prokofiev

05-23-05, 15:30

". . .The thing is, you actually got to go out with them in the first place! So many of the pretty ones are already taken. The ones that aren't frequently turn out to be lesbians, man-hating or just plain loaded down with so much emotional baggage . . ."

Well, yeah you have to be able to get a date to begin with, that's a given. And the pretty ones are taken? Usually works out that way. Taken by whom? By other guys that they would prefer to be with. And I suppose the definition of a man-hating lesbian is that she won't sleep with YOU.

Look, if you can't score a date in the US you are not going to be a chick magnet in London, Paris, Madrid, Barcelona . . . or even Buenos Aires or Mexico. Yes, you will get laid if you bring some extra cash and not very much is required. Most of the guys I met or have knowledge of down in BA are 40-65 and looking to bang a cute 18-25 y/o prostitute. Can't blame them. Me too. But most can't even communicate on a basic level with the girls and sure the hell aren't getting to 1st base without cold hard cash. The fantasy of any kind of mutual relationship with these women is just that - total fantasy. It is a job to them and they do it very well. But getting a great $25 blow job in BA or Thailand doesn't say shit about the American wife(s) who divorced you back in the US. Try bringing your little toy back home. A Russian bride, or Chinese immigrant, or Mexican hottie with 3 kids - it usually ends up the same, except she can't read . . .

Peace, -P

Dickhead

05-23-05, 17:43

Well PK I don't agree with you. Perhaps it is the sheer economic differential but regular professional women who are not hookers are much easier to get dates with down here as compared to the United States, at least for me. It is as if when I ask an American woman out, her attitude is "Why?" whereas here their attitude is "Why not?"

I'm certainly open to the possibility this has less to do with me and more to do with the fact that my income is in the 90th percentile here vs. the 30th percentile there, but that in and of itself says much about what American women are looking for. Here a woman needs a man to achieve economic security in many cases. In the US that is not the case but they are still looking for a guy with money.

Then again, it might also have something to do with the fact that out of every 100 American women I meet, I would want to go out with maybe 5 of them, whereas here out of every 100 I would want to go out with maybe 35 of them. Of course usually I don't bother and just fuck hookers but it's a nice option to have.

Maybe tonight I will fuck María's sister. She's not lactating any more.

CBGBConnisur

05-23-05, 18:40

". . .
Look, if you can't score a date in the US you are not going to be a chick magnet in London, Paris, Madrid, Barcelona . . . or even Buenos Aires or Mexico.

I strongly disagree, women around the world have different attitudes and different tastes, something that maybe desirable to one group of people, may not be so to others. When I go abroad, I find it easier to build rapport with local women, the quality of which is remarkably better than the US. I have a lot of friends who live abroad, one of them is in Sweden, and hooks up with 9+ gorgeous blondes that wouldn't give him the time of day back home. He's a decent looking guy but not with a lot of money, Swedish women don't tend to be as materialistic as American women, so he is able to get women on his own merits. Money is a big thing with American women, the best looking American women almost always go for guys with money. In other countries, other factors are more important, looks, personality, etc..

I think someone who goes to a country where he is 'exotic' will have an easy time hooking up with women simply for the mere fact that he is perceived to be different. Someone could be the artiste in Paris but a shithead in New York.

Daddy Rulz

05-23-05, 22:30

Dickhead is right, I've never once asked an Argintine out on a date, dinner movie etc. that they didn't say yes. I didn't always hit it out of the park but they always let me up to bat. I agree 100% that their attitude is "why not" verses the "why?" here in sex prison.

Oh yes, in keeping with the thread, American women suck.

Long Stroker

05-24-05, 06:56

That is an great comparison of the AW's attitude to that of her overseas sister. The single word "why" effectively encapsulates many of the opinions that American women hold about themselves, while "why not" accurately reflects the more easygoing (and inherently more feminine) attitudes of women abroad.

I've been working on a Grand Unified Theory concerning American Women, and I believe that I'm getting pretty close. Here's a sample:

American women today truly believe that one of the primary reasons that men exist is to boost their self-esteem. Only by rejecting men's advances, criticizing their opinions and beliefs, and in general reminding men that they are no longer needed in this society can they truly feel good about themselves.

Why do you think they get all dressed up on Saturday night and go out to the club in packs of four skirts to a table? To dance, drink and be merry, and shoot down guys all night long, of course. Certainly, if there happens to be any thugs in the house, recently released from prison or otherwise, at the club that night, she'll probably go home with one of them and let him come on her face after fucking her up the ass. But, hopefully, there will be plenty of regular, average, decent guys there that she can shoot down instead in order to make her feel good about herself.

Now, mind you, considering the sorry state of most women's self-esteem these days, being so responsible for a woman's well being is a pretty tall order. It's even worse for a man in a relationship. The average man must shoulder a tremendous amount of abuse before the woman he's with even begins to start feeling as good about herself as Oprah tells her she should feel everday. (Her "Spirit" I believe Oprah calls it.) You see, male-female relationships in America today have become a zero-sum game. Benefits for one party can only come at the expense of the other. Don't ask me why, though, because I haven't figured that part out yet. Maybe it has something to do with this creeping commercialism that's infesting all of modern life. I don't know.

Domino

05-24-05, 13:08

P: Yet again, you sum things up beautifully. These guys are going out looking for a good time on their terms and they object that women do the same, like fucking a bit of rough just out of the State Pen. Sometimes, many times, I have been that bit of rough and I have made the best out of it:D

Long Stroker

05-25-05, 04:09

Guys,

You are not going to believe this. I have met the girl of my dreams and she is an American Woman. I just met her yesterday but we are madly in love. She has taught me the error of my misogynistic ways. I always approached a relationship from the standpoint of what I would get out of it. She has taught me that this is terribly wrong! A sustainable relationship should be based on a partnership of equals who engage in sharing, learning and loving together. She helped to open up my heart to all the possibilities of love right after we moved all my money to a joint checking account! We're getting married next week!

I'll say it's about time cupid took an interest in a good little boy like

Long J Longstroker

Take care guys! I'll probably be too busy fucking my wife to post here anymore. She told me I can have sex with her whenever I want after we're married!

Chocha Monger

05-25-05, 05:33

American women can have as much fun as they want on their terms as long as it's not at my financial or mental expense. I will surely not be in line to go up to them in a bar or club only to be shot down for the sake of entertainment. Neither will I buy them drinks with the hope of being acknowledeged as a supplicating fool.

I have no problem with them fucking thugs. I have reaped benefits from this phenomenon when I have been mistaken for one at some time or another. The problem is that they get drunk on liquor paid for by the decent guys so they can have an excuse for fucking the thug when they see their friends then next day. It's the hypocrisy that annoys men when these same women try to convince them that they want a nice guy. What they want is a nice (stupid) guy to finance their fun.

Girls can have fun as long as they're not looking for someone in whom they have no interest to finance that fun. I don't think that women would be thrilled if men got together in a group dressed with expensive suits and flashing wallets stuffed to the seams with hundred dollar bills for the sole purpose of attracting decent women and then blowing them off for laughs, especially if at the end of the night the guys chose the roughest looking bar-fly to go home with.

I realized what this little game was about a long time ago so I only go to bars here in the US to get sauced with drinks that I can't mix myself. The pack of she-wolves in the corner look mighty thirsty. Maybe, some sheep will come along and help them slake their thirst.

Dickhead

05-25-05, 06:10

After a year and a half out of the US, I would not [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in their mouths if their teeth were on fire. This is only my opinion and relates to them as sex partners only. They can be decent as friends, in situations where they don't have your balls in their hands.

Smut Villain

05-25-05, 07:36

I realized what this little game was about a long time ago...

Chocha Monger,

Your last post sounds disturbingly familiar to me. Back when I was in the San Diego/Tijuana area there used to be a nightclub just outside the Navy base called the "Trophy Lounge" (anybody here ever heard of it?). This place was known for being a notorious "meet market" for Filipina wives and their friends, and most young wannabe studs figured they could get a easy lay there (I should know - I was one of those wannabes).

Anyways, I was talking with a close female friend there one night and she broke the game down for me like this: a lot of the girls there, before the night is over, already have three guys picked out - one to buy them drinks, one to take them to breakfast after the club, and one they actually intend to fuck. I didn't believe her until, at her behest, I started looking around; it was fucking incredible! These young horny guys were getting played big-time, and in exactly the way she described!!! You'd see them dancing or sitting at a table with a couple of guys, and leaving the club with someone entirely different. Later on, just as she predicted, you'd see them leave the restaurant with a third guy. It wouldn't have been such a big deal were it not for the fact that I saw this same game being played by (what seemed to be) half the females in the club (or that a large number of the female patrons were Navy wives whose husbands were at sea). I couldn't believe I often fell for the same shit myself :) !

My eyes were rudely opened that night, and 10 years later I still haven't forgotten that lesson. Seems that men aren't the only pigs.

CBGBConnisur

05-25-05, 17:48

I haven't been to the US much in the past 5 years, as far as mongering is concerned, the US is a waste of time. Even if you have money, the pickings are slim, its better to go either north of the border to Canada or South to Mexico. Personally, crossing from the Northeast US into Quebec Canada there is a big difference in the overall attitude of French Canadian women compared to their US counterparts, there's also a big difference in their outward appearance, walk down a street in Montreal during the summer and you will be amazed, and this little pussy paradise is only a few hour drive away from the States. As far as my earnings are concerned, I wasn't earning much in the US, and making an average income in Australia, yet in the latter I get more rapport with women, and women don't ask me how much I make or what I do for a living, like what happens in the US. One Australian woman I knew even said most Australian girls don't care to be rich or care about money, that comment sold me on staying in Oz. I wanted to live in a country with better women than the US but also wanted to live in a place where I could drink the water and live in a relatively free society. I was considering a western European country and spent some time there but realized, that it is difficult for a foriegner to migrate there so the choice came down to Quebec Canada or Australia, I picked Australia for its near perfect climate.

Dickhead

05-25-05, 20:56

You can drink the water here in Buenos Aires. I drink several liters of it every day. Also the toilet situation is much better than in Europe although not as good as in Australia which may have the best toilets in the world.

When I told one favorita that there are no bidets in the US, she asked, "Then how do American women wash their pussies?" and I have no answer to that. I don't recall seeing bidets in Australia either but it's been a while.

Furthermore Buenos Aires has the best ice cream in the world. But stay away anyhow because of the many huge, poisonous snakes and the fact that you can get ten years in prison for patronizing a prostitute.

CBGBConnisur

05-25-05, 21:53

I wasn't specifically referring to Argentina but other places that are popular for mongering(Brazil, Thailand, Russia, etc). I have not been to Argentina specifically, I actually know an Argentinian woman who lives in Australia, from her accounts its supposed to be very modern and resembles a European country more than one in South America. Australian employers grant their workers between 5 to as many as 8 weeks of vacation a year, so I get plenty of opportunity to visit many places. Traveling abroad isn't as expensive as most people think, if you try to stick to more modest accomodations, food, etc. you can do a lot with a little.

Anyone who lives in the Northeast US should visit Montreal for a weekend, even though its just across the border, the women there are on a completely different wavelength compared to their counterparts to the south. Its such a weird experience that a place so close to home could be so different.

Most women wash their pussies with Douche solutions in the US and other anglo countries, that's why they don't use bidets. I went to Germany, German women have the cleanest undercarriages around, almost always shaven, and they don't use bidets.

PsyberZombie

05-25-05, 23:52

It's a dream job - a high-level position in Bangkok with an interesting company and an expatriate's salary. A beautiful, company-subsidised apartment that takes up one floor of a luxury building. A maid, a car and a driver on call 24 hours a day.

But for Julie Sleva, a Canadian citizen who is an executive with French cosmetics firm L'Oreal, the dream becomes hollow when she leaves her office. Although young and attractive, Sleva lives the often lonely life of a Western female expat professional in a culture where men rule - a life with no serious relationships and few dates. "Outside of the office, it's tough," thirtysomething Sleva says.

For single Western men, Asia can be a paradise of exotic, beautiful women more than willing to pamper them and inflate their egos. The perks of an expat life - cheap maids, company-paid drivers and members-only clubs - relieve married couples of many of life's daily hassles, including the chores of child-rearing.

But for single Western caucasian women like Sleva, it's a different story. Accomplishments in the office are often overshadowed by solitary private lives, and even the most casual Saturday night date with a man is a distant memory. Many such women feel their chances of having relationships are negligible while they are in Asia.

For Sleva, whose marriage to a Canadian man ended seven years ago, it is a constant frustration. Although she's happy to date both Thai men and foreigners, she says "you never see Thai men with expat women, and expat men are either married, gay or have a young Thai girl hanging on to their arm. You sit in a car near Soi Nana [a popular night-time entertainment district] and you can't believe what walks out of that place - the ugliest, grossest men with beautiful Thai women. It's so easy for the Western man."

Sleva's experience is far from unusual. Many other expatriate women I meet agree with her.

Yet the subject is taboo. Beyond the fact that it is a deeply personal, often painful element of life for women such as Sleva, discussing it opens up a minefield of sexual and racial stereotypes.

In many cases, the stereotypes are accurate, but not always. Some Western men in Asia meet and marry smart or high-powered Asian women - or overseas-born Asian women who are far more interested in succeeding in their careers than in indulging their husband's every whim.

Some Western women are happy to be out of the dating game and in a world where they - like their workaholic male counterparts - can devote themselves to climbing the corporate ladder with more visibility than they might enjoy in the United States or Europe.

The difficulties of many single white women in Asia are so widespread that counsellors are dealing with it every day.

"It takes a toll," says Melanie Bryan, a psychologist in Hong Kong. Bryan's client base is telling: half of them are are single Western women.

"People don't get a sense of self-worth from just one part of their lives," she notes. "Because a woman is a professional doesn't mean she lacks aspirations for a relationship as well, and quite often these aspirations have to be put on hold. I see women drink more. I definitely see them depressed. I had a new patient the other day who was just hammering away at herself. She felt washed-up at the age of 36."

Many of the women who agree with such views are willing to tell their stories only if their names aren't attached. Two women I meet, who have had various Asian postings for United Nations agencies, described their dual lives - great accomplishment and loneliness.

One of them, a US citizen, has given up hoping for a relationship or children, but the rewards of her work over more than a decade in Asia have made the sacrifices worthwhile. She wants to use her name, but says "this wouldn't go over well with the UN".

Another woman, an American who has worked in Asia for a consumer-products company for four years, says it didn't take her long to learn what awaited her. "Before they transferred me, my company sent me to Asia for a look-see," she says. "On the plane coming back I met a woman leaving Asia after eight years. After a few Jack Daniels, she told me, 'Honey, Asia is single-man heaven and single-woman hell'."

Forget dating, she says. "Most Western men are married, and if they're not married, they're playing around big time. And I don't look anything like those sweet little Thai women."

The loneliness is compounded by a lack of understanding in others. "Why do you not have a husband?" is a question taxi drivers, maids, shop assistants and even the most casual Asian acquaintances don't hesitate to throw at single women both Western and Asian.

"It certainly is difficult for a single Western career woman anywhere in Asia to have a fulfilling life," says David Bailey, a counsellor in Bangkok with Psychological Services International. "Most companies don't adequately prepare their executives for living overseas, and they assume they have their personal lives sorted out."

The contrast between the lives of single expat men and women in Asia is illustrated by Sleva's friend and co-executive, Martin Mirmand, who manages L'Oreal's luxury division. Like Sleva, Mirmand is young and attractive. But there the similarity ends. Mirmand, a 32-year-old Frenchman, says his expat existence is "very easy from a lifestyle point of view - the comforts of living, the opportunities to do things after work." "It's very easy to be a man in Thailand, that is for sure," he says.

By contrast, except for nights when she has a work function, Sleva's evenings are spent far removed from bars and nightclubs. She often stays home and eats a spicy Thai salad prepared by her maid.

Marisa Vidaurre, director of St John's Cathedral Counselling Services in Hong Kong, says Sleva's story is typical. "What they relate to me is that expat men are not interested in women who are going to be challenging," she says. "A lot more Asian women culturally find it easier to make men feel better about everything they do. It's hard for a man to resist when every word out of your mouth is a pearl of wisdom and every joke is funny."

So why don't these lonely women return to the West?

"Your career track can be quite rewarding in Asia," says Vidaurre. "When you go back, you are one among the many. It's harder to do special things."

Despite her loneliness, Sleva won't consider asking for a transfer back to Canada or the US. She still wants her satisfying job and to immerse herself in a new culture.

Dickhead

05-26-05, 00:56

PZ: Jesus. At least post a source or a link to the article. I can Tell you Did not Write it YouRself.

CB: So do they carry these Douche solutions with them so they are handy after every time they take a dump? No, I didn't think so.

CBGBConnisur

05-26-05, 01:31

In general, I have found that American women excercise relatively poor hygiene, especially for the richest country in the world. Australian women are the world's cleanest ladies, followed by Italians, Spaniards, and Scandinavians, I have never noticed any pussy odor, body odor, smelly feet, or bad breath on an Australian woman, something that I have seen on many American ladies even those with money and "Class"(whatever that is).

Dickhead, let me guess, since Argentina is south of the equator like Australia, the seasons are in reverse, that would mean the warmest time of the year there would be from December to February? I was looking into some travel packages for Buenos Aires, the cost of a one month package in December is nearly double that of July and August, so I am guessing those are the colder months.

Dickhead

05-26-05, 02:44

Sure, CB, that's right. The climate here is similar to what you might find in maybe coastal Virginia. Four distinct seasons, rainfall fairly evenly distributed, can be uncomfortably warm and humid in January particularly. Never snow in Buenos Aires (once per century) but can be bitingly cold a la San Francisco in July particularly. Right now it is late fall and today it was about 14 C but yesterday was 20 C. The night time temperature doesn't change all that much from the daytime temperature. Overall I give the climate a solid B. Best times to visit are thus spring and fall. Don't come in January cuz everyone including the hookers are on vacation. Me, I don't really like hot weather. You probably do if you think Australia has the perfect climate. I was there in Feb. and March and I thought it was fucking HOT. I prefer the winter here to the summer here. I lived in cold climates all my life in the US so if it is 5 degrees C here, about as cold as it normally gets, it doesn't bother me.

But really, if you can't speak Spanish, it wouldn't be worth the trip just for mongering. That is the honest truth and plus of course there are all the snakes. It is only moderately touristically interesting and if you have seen Europe even less so. If I lived in Australia and didn't speak Spanish, I wouldn't come here. English is much less widely spoken here than in say Barcelona. Plus the accent is so peculiar that it took me, a life long student of Spanish, about three days before I understood anyone. And, that was forearmed and forewarned about the differences by a native Argentinean friend.

And yeah, I've run into a lot more stinky pussies in the US than anywhere else. I remember one I took home from a bar and when I got it unwrapped i thought I had wandered into a carp farm. Here never, but I do run into some dog breath from time to time. I attribute that to a much higher percentage of smokers plus the lower social classes don't go to the dentist. I don't think flossing is too prevalent either. Socialized medicine here but not dental.

The best pussy in Buenos Aires tends to be Paraguayan in origin. Buenos Aires women have a bit of a superiority thing going. Women from the northern provinces such as Santiago del Estero, Salta, Misiones, and Tucumán are total fuck monsters.

Why don't you go to Perth and fuck RN?

Sinanju Master

05-26-05, 03:01

DH, that VERY SAME ARTICLE was posted on this board quite a while back. I feel NOW as I did THEN: it's great to see an American Woman experiencing being on the short end of the stick in a foreign land when she has been so used to turning up her nose at well-meaning guys and/or crushing their egos for the sheer sport of it and to have a laugh with her pack at the poor's schmoe's expense. If they wanna be MEN by focusing ALL their drive on their career, so be it, but if they can't also have the ideal relationship that they demand (without wanting to meet a guy halfway) then they should shut the fuck up and bite the bullet and stay home on Saturday night with a hot Thai meal and the company of their maid...

CBGBConnisur

05-26-05, 03:20

I actually speak some Spanish since I took it in high school. The vacation package I was looking at included a month and half at the best hotel in Buenos Aires with roundtrip airfare, it looked cheaper than destinations in Europe. I figure I might get more "bang" for my buck. I also learned quite a bit of Deutsche in a *****house south of Dusseldorf. I was considering Argentina over Germany and the Czech Republic, my usual mongering favorites.

Dickhead

05-26-05, 04:28

Oh hell for sure it is WAY cheaper here than in Europe. But a month and a half in a hotel? Why not rent an apartment? Much better. BTW what are they saying is the "best hotel in Buenos Aires?" But high school Spanish is unlikely to cut it because of what I said about the accent and vastly different grammar. Better than nothing, though, for sure.

And for a month and a half the length of the flight is of course a lot less relevant.

But we are far afield so PM me if you want more info. I have not been to the Czech Republic but I lived in Germany and it is so much better here that there is not even any comparison.

Chocha Monger

05-26-05, 04:59

The skankest pussy that I have ever ran into was Swedish, and that was after she "freshened up"! It was shaved but apparently that didn't prevent it from smelling like rotting cod in the sweltering heat of summer. American pussy can be pretty raunchy too. Frankly, I think that they get a kick out of trying to make you eat their stinking snatches. Some of them will even be so bold as to tell you that you have to lick it before you stick it. Some guys do, and they end up with a bad yeast infestion in their oral cavity. Ever seen those guys with a white tongue and dragon's breath? Unhygienic pussy will do that shit to you.

I think that I am going to try some of that clean porteña pussy that Dickhead mentioned.

PsyberZombie

05-26-05, 11:40

sorry , peeps... i forgot to post the reference to the article in # 2347

here it is =

http://www.nomarriage.com/articleasia.html

that entire web site is worth reading if you've got an hour or so to kill

start here =

http://www.nomarriage.com/

there's several good links given , too , one of which helps prove one of psyberzombie's laws , to wit :

" free sex is the most expensive kind "

if you have a wife or girl·friend , or are in·to picking up 'amatuers' , here's a calculator to help you figure out exactly how much that 'free' sex is actually costing you =

http://www.costofsex.com/

Moore

05-27-05, 00:39

I have found no way to predict the clean ones from the unclean ones.

The "shankest" one I can remember was an Argentine girl. I was dating her; she was very meticulous about her appearance and everything else as most argentinas are, from a relatively wealthy family, etc...My entire apartment stank, believe me my mouth never came within 4 feet of it. On the other hand, Ive been with nasty *****s that I would expect to not be so clean but were fresh as a rose. I have seen no patterns travelling around the world either.

ILoveAnalSex

05-27-05, 22:17

Hey fellas,

I was watching the news & they were talking about some woman who abandoned her children so she could run errands. As sad as that is, I wasn’t disturbed by her actions (although the fact that I have become so used to hearing about women abandoning their children for long periods of time should be disturbing). What did disturbed me was finding out that if a woman in SE Florida decides that she no longer wants to be a mother, she can drop off her infant at any fire station – no questions asked! Apparently, there are baby drop-offs set up at the fire stations to make it easier for women to leave their children.

Isn’t it amazing that for all of the rhetoric we hear about how MEN need to shoulder more of the burden of child rearing within the home, and child support outside of the home, our society has made it so easy for women to potentially discard every responsibility they have, no matter how basic?

CBGBConnisur

05-28-05, 18:56

One time I talked to an American woman who claimed that she didn't like superficial people who are obssesed with money. The obesession with money is one of the biggest problems with American women. She said she would rather do something she loved than do something that made her rich. I asked her if she saw two men, one in a suit, the other in a fast food uniform, which one would be more attractive. She said the one in the suit because the one in the fast food uniform is not ambitious enough. I asked her "What if the fast food worker liked what he did?" She totally contradicted herself, its this kind of bullshit I can't stand with American women.

ILoveAnalSex

05-29-05, 00:07

I asked her if she saw two men, one in a suit, the other in a fast food uniform, which one would be more attractive. She said the one in the suit because the one in the fast food uniform is not ambitious enough.[/QUOTE]Funny you should use the fast food employee as an example because I have a friend whose family owns a couple of Burger Kings. He told me a story about when a nice looking woman came into his restaurant & he hit on her, but she blew him off because she could not bring herself to date a "burger-flipper".

He informed her that he was filling in for someone else who called in sick, & that he owned this & another BK restaurant in the area. She responded with this shocked look on her face, "Oh, you own these?!"

Well, once he corrected her misconception about his appearance she magically became interested - very interested. Ironically, my friend became disinterested, blew her off & returned to work. I was so proud of him (keep in mind though that he did have a girlfriend, which probably made blowing the witch off easier to swallow).

Oh, I almost forgot: American women suck!

Sinanju Master

05-29-05, 23:50

I LOVE that story! I love it ESPECIALLY because of the fact that I always hear women spew bullshit about how fair they are when considering whether or not they will give a guy a chance/he time of day. If they didn't engage in this outlandish doublespeak, I wouldn't have any problem with their shallowness. It DOUBLY pisses me off when they get indignant after you expose them for the fork-tongued liars they are. I'm not employing a double standard here, 'cos yes, guys are shallow too. BUT we don't lie about it and EXPECT women to believe it hook, line and sinker...

Domino

05-30-05, 04:19

I think this is a good idea. Much better than beating the baby to death. Baby battering is a widespread problem, as is dumping newborns in the nearest river. I support anything, however imperfect, that reduces such sad things.
Do you think you guys can go a week without attacking AW. You go on about them judging by appearances (no burger flippers please). Yet, most of the hits on this site entail looking at photos of women's genitals. In the age of uncertainty we live in, when old Freddy Flinstone type structures are vanishing (long term marriages etc), women will always choose the money and keep an option to walk. Wouldn't you?
If you cannot do the 12 steps to like AW, I suggest you read the wise words of Prokofiev, our wisest sage. Either that, or go to Haiti and do some voodoo magic on the AW you hate.
Your friend

Domino

Bart9000

05-30-05, 07:17

About 5 years ago, I fell hard for this girl I briefly dated. She subsequently left me for this guy who was basically an unmotivated-living with his parents-partyboy-loser with a near room termperature IQ (and per popular rumor, a little dick). They became serious, and eventually got engaged, and married. At the time, I was quite distressed about the fact that the girl picked this useless lump of crap over me.

I now realize that in actuality, I was the winner of that little escapade. Five years later, I still have my freedom, and damn few financial obligations (It sure is fun to screw hot European chicks isn't it?). He however is saddled with a screaming infant, a world class mental b-tch of a ball and chain (I overlooked this at the time because at 22 she was hot and sexy) who isn't getting any better looking, and will, I am fairly certain, someday take him to the cleaners. In the meantime, they she already has him leveraged to the edge-I saw her driving around town in an SUV that had to cost a year of his income.

Regarding Domino's last post, I view this forum not so much as bashing American Women (as much as they may deserve it), but a support group (sorry to break "huggy touchy") for having the courage to go against the bull#hit bag of goods that American Society overwhelmingly tries to hang on us, much to our detriment.

ILoveAnalSex

05-30-05, 07:19

Domino,

I agree that the baby drop-off sites are the lesser of two evils. My problem is not with the baby drop-offs as much as it is with our apathy toward negative female behavior.

For example, if a man argues with his wife, he needs anger management to properly deal with his emotional problems to ensure that he never behaves that way again. Will baby drop-offs help women deal with the problems which are causing them to discard their children?

We have a hard time telling women when they need to shape up. When a woman commits an abominable act, well, she’s suffering from post partum depression, PMS, battered wife syndrome, low self esteem, or some other psychological disorder which absolves her from her actions.

Remember the 2 ladies who drowned their kids? One lady lived in SC (Susan Smith) & there was another who drowned 5 kids in Tx. The women’s rights groups, along with the rest of the world, were so ready to support these murderers, never once referring to them as animals or demons.

Now, contrast those attitudes with the way the media demonized Scott Peterson. Now, I’m not defending Scott! I do wonder, however, if our society would have been so willing to entertain the notion that Scott may have been suffering from some psychological disorder?

Male executives who lie, cheat & steal are viewed negatively according to public opinion, whereas Martha Stewart is viewed as a victim (but only Martha, her male co-defendant was not viewed as a victim).

It just seems to me that our society is all too ready to correct men in an effort to eradicate the undesirable male behavior, while at the same time all too ready to explain & excuse undesirable female behavior.

As far as going a week without attacking AW, I doubt that you can expect that to occur in a forum dedicated to discussing AW any more than you could expect to go a week without discussing football in a forum dedicated to football. Besides, research says that men do not express themselves enough; so I say, MEN - EXPRESS YOURSELVES.

And Domino, I hope you continue to express yourself, too. It is good to consider differing opinions. Thanks for responding to my post.

-ILAS

P.S. American women suck - IMO

CBGBConnisur

05-30-05, 16:23

Well American women have the global media and Hollywood behind them, our rants are nothing compared to what is presented on the big web portals and tv screens around the planet. People around the world have this image that a typical American woman looks like Angelina Jolie or Cindy Crawford. I used to live in New York, and most of the women I saw were nowhere near that level. In fact, a few times traveling around a small town in Northern Europe, I saw far more classic examples of beautiful women, many of whom were just normal working class women doing rather normal jobs( cashiers, cleaning ladies, bank tellers, etc.). American women are crap compared to what I have seen abroad, that is THE TRUTH, AND I AM GOING TO TELL IT LIKE IT IS!!!

Sinanju Master

05-30-05, 22:13

I bash American Women because they deserve some of the same medicine they feed US. American Women can get away with MUCH MORE than American Men can.

Examples: Mary Kay Letourneau, the teacher who engaged in sex with a SIXTH GRADER and only got seven(?) years in prison. If the situation were REVERSED and she were a MAN, and the sixth grader were a GIRL, the guy would have been buried so far UNDERNEATH the god-damn jail that his very existence would have been forgotten save for his family and prison officials.

Scott Petersen; guy murders wife (and in the process, his unborn child) and gets a free lethal injection, courtesy of the State. Abominable? Damn straight! Fair treatment for a convicted murderer? Hm... Susan Smith DROWNS ALL OF HER CHILDREN (not ADULTS, DEFENSELESS CHILDREN) and gets what, LIFE? That and some counseling?

These are but TWO shining examples of how we have all been hoodwinked and continue to do so. Give American Women a fair chance? They RUNNING THE GOD-DAMN SHOW!

If you wanted something from someone (very badly) and the only way you could get it on a regular basis was to jump through hoops and in the process, make a fool of yourself and eventually have an eroded sense of self-worth, would you continue to go through with it, or would you wise up and get it from someone who acted as if they had common sense and decency instead of constantly engaging in a power play to metaphorically SUBJUGATE you? To those of you who are of the masochistic way of thinking, so be it. It takes all kinds to make a world. I simply REFUSE to waste my time and effort on such insanity. I (grudgingly) admire DH and CBGB, 'cos they got fed up and too the step that I have yet to take. When the time comes, my path will be different from theirs (only slightly) but I will have made my declaration of rebellion.

Domino

05-31-05, 00:18

linda lee smith has spent over 25 years in prison for the murder of her 2-year-old daughter, amy. although the parole board has declared her suitable for release six times since 1989, california’s state's governors have decreed otherwise. smith was convicted of second-degree murder in san luis obispo county in 1980 and sentenced to 15 years to life after she did not stop her boyfriend from fatally beating amy. whether smith participated in amy's abuse was hotly disputed at her trial. the prosecution argued that by not aggressively intervening, she condoned the violence; the defense argued that she got merciless beatings herself whenever she intervened.
in lake county, indiana, felicia gordon of gary, was charged with murder because she did not intervene after her boyfriend repeatedly hit, punched and kicked her son george, aged 7, to death in march 2005; her attorney, lemuel stigler, argued in vain that she stayed in another room during most of the incident because she was trying to protect her other son, a 1-year-old. arlene haines, of ulysses, pa., pleaded guilty to child endangerment because she didn't stop her boyfriend from fatally abusing her 2-year-old daughter, serena, in 2004. illinois prosecuted kathy cecil of wood river for the first-degree murder of her 2-year-old son, michael. she didn't participate in his fatal beating and had been repeatedly punched, choked and raped by her lover for months. cecil was sentenced to 35 years in jail.
.................
not all aw are on easy street. using trailer trash and celebrity examples are not the way to go. susan smith is not right in the head; scott petersen knew what he was doing and will be no great loss. all i can say is: read prokofiev.

CBGBConnisur

05-31-05, 00:23

There is a website solely dedicated to thrashing American women called americanwomensuck.com, its becoming a trend all over the web to use as a forum for telling what most American women are really like. I have been to places that have plenty of gorgeous women. One time in a brothel in Germany which was filled with about three dozen beautiful nude women, a customer asked me about American clubs, I told him no such clubs exist in the States, since prostitution is outright illegal in the US except in some parts of Nevada. I told him that escort services existed but would cost him ten times what he pays in Germany.

Cyberdas

05-31-05, 00:57

I live in Southern California, two hours away from Tijuana, Mexico where a lot of mongering takes place and what have you. I've been going down there frequently and not only to take care of business (if you know what I mean?? he.he.he.) but also to do some shopping and looking for alternatives to the tourist trap section of town while visiting there. I also buy a lot of health and natural foods-related products there for a fraction of the cost here in the U.S.
Anyway, I headed down there during this Memorial Day weekend, being careful to return on Sunday night in order to avoid the crazy traffic on holidays. After visiting the ZONA, I took a cab to the shopping center/mall called Plaza Rio Tijuana (I believe) and went about my shopping mission. Walking through the aisles of this one huge supermarket, I was able to talk to many of the young ladies who stand there giving information and answering questions if you had any. My first question to them (there were 4 in one spot) was if they earned commission, to which they replied in unison "NO". So this meant there was no intention on their part to sustain a conversation with you given that it made no difference to them whether you bought anything or not. So we engaged in small talk about the products I was buying but quickly and with no trouble moved into other, more interesting topics. I was able to get their phone numbers and emails without a problem. Given that it was Sunday afternoon and they had to work on Monday (no holiday in Mexico) they recommended I give them a call to go out on the following weekend instead.
Try doing that in sex prison. Nice, young, pretty and smart girls too. Just the conversation itself was worth feeling good about, the rest, let’s see what happens. The point I'm trying to make is that it is not the end of the world meeting a suitable lady oversees. This happened only a couple of miles (if that) from the border. It’s really amazing to run into a situation like this because, not being used to it or remotely even thinking about it ever occurring in sex prison, it gives one a sense of hope and opportunity: life exists outside of such confines.

ILoveAnalSex

05-31-05, 04:40

domino:

i don’t understand why you feel the women in your examples should not have been punished. i was always under the presumption that if you were present during the commission of a crime, you are an accessory to the crime. hell, if you let someone in your home or car after he/she has committed a crime, you made be charged with aiding & abetting (whether you were a participant or not).

did any of these women bother to make a phone call to 911 when the men began beating their children? and why did these women stay with the men in the first place? the way your post reads gives me the impression that those relationships had a history of violence long before those children ended up dying. why did these women chose to stay in those relationships after the men exhibited violent behavior toward them?

you say susan smith is not right in the head. well, that is pretty obvious. i’d step out on a limb & say that any person, male or female, who can take another person’s life is not going to be right in the head.

and by saying that these women were not on easy street, you have just done the very thing that i complained about in my previous post by making excuses for aws. there are plenty of american men who are not on easy street, and for that matter there are plenty of people outside of the us who do not have a pot, nor a window. yet somehow everyone else seems capable of taking the bitter with the sweet, so why must we make special concessions for aws.

however, i do love to hear your opinions. isn’t free speech fun?! keep the posts coming guys.

-ilas

btw, american women suck!

Long Stroker

05-31-05, 05:01

Perhaps all hope is not lost guys. Earlier today I was watching MTV Hits at the higher end of the digital spectrum (a good way to stay current and vastly superior to regular MTV or even MTV2 in that only music videos are played 24-7, no reality TV crap or real world soap operas)

The beautiful Beyonce Knowles and her back-up singers Destiny's Child came on with their new music video, "Cater 2 U." I about fell out of my chair when I heard the lyrics. "I'm here to serve you?" What the fuck? How on earth did that lyric get through the NOW censors?

Could this be a new trend? Millions of American women respect and admire Beyonce. In the second verse, she makes the promise:

"When you come home late
Tap me on my shoulder, I’ll roll over"

My God, maybe there is hope for the future!

Sing it, Beyonce!

***********

Let me help you
Take off your shoes
Untie your shoe strings
Take off your cuff links
What you wanna eat boo?
Let me feed you
Let me run your bath water
Whatever you desire
I'll supply ya
Sing you a song
Turn the game on
I’ll brush your hair
Help you put your do-rag on
Want a foot rub
Want a manicure
Baby I’m yours
I wanna cater 2 u boy

Baby I’m happy your home
Let me hold you in my arms
I just want to take the stress away from you
Makin’ sure that I’m doing my part
Boy is there something you need me to do
If you want it, (I got it)
Say the word and (I will try it)
I know whatever I’m not full fillin’
another woman is willing
I’m gone fullfill you my body and spirit
I promise ya
I'll keep myself up
remain the same chick
you fell in love with
I'll keep it tight
I'll keep my figure right
I’ll keep my hair fixed
be rockin the hottest outfits
When you come home late
Tap me on my shoulder, I’ll roll over
Baby I heard you,
I’m here to serve you
this love you need
to give it is my joy
All I wanna do is cater to you boy

Belgrath

05-31-05, 07:29

Besides probably there is other songs on her album boasting of how she dont need a man or about kicking em to the curb if they dont kiss her big booty. She seems to be pretty much a diva and doesnt seem to humble now. Maybe she'll do that stuff for Jay-Z or another mega rap star but for us mortals? Forget it!

Domino

05-31-05, 12:04

I guess our differences here reflect other differences. I believe a woman of any nationality in an abused relationship is different from a calculated killer. Men often physically dominate women and I would pity any woman in such a relationship, as well as any kids that might be in the way of the man's wrath. I am not making excuses for them; I would imagine any mother killing her off spring would not "have a good day" but ymmv. Now Paris Hilton is on the news. You can keep her. I know many of you guys have been burned but, hey, shit happens. Rush Limbaugh is now on the radio:(

ILoveAnalSex

05-31-05, 15:46

domino, do you really believe these women are not calculated killers?

with her 2 children sleeping in the back seat of the car, susan pushed the car into a lake where it bobbed for several minutes before sinking to the bottom, drowning her children. then to make matters worse, susan made up a story about some random black man coming along & carjacking her at gunpoint with her children in the back seat, gave the police a composite sketch of this alleged black man, pleaded on tv for the safe return of her children, & inspired a nationwide man-hunt for a person who did not exist regarding a crime that did not occur. if this isn’t a calculated killer, then what is? how are susan’s actions different from scott peterson’s? susan smith was single, divorced actually. there was mention that susan had had a boyfriend since her divorce, but he had broken up with her shortly before she committed the murders because he was not ready to be a father (or maybe the boyfriend just did not like susan anymore for other reasons & figured that he could get out of the relationship pain-free by saying i don’t want to be a daddy, not thinking that this chick would kill her kids to be with him). conclusion, susan does not have the abusive relationship excuse.

andrea yates of texas filled a bathtub with water, chased her 5 children around the house and, one by one, drowned them in the bathtub. if this isn’t a calculated killer, then what is? how are andrea’s actions different from scott peterson’s? she was married, but there was no mention of any abuse in her relationship. actually, she was portrayed as the quintessential soccer mom, and the day of the incident, andrea’s mother-in-law was due to come over to help with the children only an hour after andrea’s husband left to go to work. conclusion, andrea does not have the abusive relationship excuse.

like i explained in my earlier thread: my problem is not with the baby drop-offs as much as it is with our apathy toward negative female behavior… it just seems to me that our society is all too ready to correct men in an effort to eradicate the undesirable male behavior, while at the same time all too ready to explain & excuse undesirable female behavior (ilas post #2363). i find it funny that you refer to men as calculated killers, while women are merely not having a good day (domino post #2371). your statement fuels my argument regarding our society’s disregard for unacceptable – even criminal female behavior. i bet if you really tried, you could come up with a good explanation for louise woodward’s behavior. remember her, the british au pair working in massachusetts who killed the child she was watching in february 1997?

as far as the other women you used as examples, these women say that there was a history of abuse. whether these ladies’ stories concerning abuse are true, i don’t know. i do know that people will say anything & blame anyone if they believe it will save their own hide (ask anyone who has been through a divorce). but even if i were to give these ladies the benefit of the doubt, according to terry patton, the state's attorney in henry county, ill., "that's [domestic violence] not an excuse for standing by and letting someone beat your child to death,"! besides, each of these women had a trial of their peers, & their peers chose to reject their defense.
i know it sucks to be in a bad relationship, & most people (men & women) carry scars from those terrible experiences. i feel for every one of them, sincerely. however, we chose the relationships we are in. and just like any other circumstance we chose, when you are not pleased with your choice, chose again. you cannot let your previous choice be the crutch you use to justify every indefensible act you commit from then on. whether the act was abandoning the children, murdering the children, or standing by & watching someone else do the dirty work for them, these women have no excuse for what occurred, making them as calculating as adolph hitler, jeffrey dahmer, scott peterson, or any other man you could compare them to.

i’m having fun with this, aren’t you?

-ilas

and as you all know, american women suck!

Domino

05-31-05, 17:07

Bringing Mr Hitler et al into it slants the argument somewhat. I have no problems with calculated killers, male or female, paying their tariff. I do not think the female cases we both brought up entirely fit that category. I guess I am on the wet side of the house which is fine by me. When I think of those women and what they have done, it just makes me sad. I do not regard them as calculated killers but as sad dysfunctionals in need of medical care.
Though I believe women get depressed and some of them do bad things, cops, crims and judges all tell me crime is largely a male preserve, just like violence.
I do not subscribe to the "choose" school of thought as one of the prosecutors you mention do. I believe the weak are easily led. I also believe many men use physical violence and the threat of physical violence to intimidate women and I believe the men in the cases I cited did.
Louise Woodward had her conviction reduced to involuntary manslaughter on appeal. She is a trained lawyer now but gave it up for dancing. I do not believe in hiring au pairs so yes I make mitigating circumstances.
I also believe it is personally damaging - though somewhat catharctic - for the regular posters here to ***** about the AW they have known. Usually when I am with women, I do the screwing. Guess the same goes for Mr Music to my ears, Comrade Prokofiev. With others, the mileage varies and thus this thread.

ILoveAnalSex

05-31-05, 21:49

Yyou just used the “W” word – WEAK. I’m sure that AW would not appreciate being seen by you or our society as weak. Remember, this is the same gender that fought to be able to serve in combat in our US military (an issue that was revisited just a week or two ago). Women fought for decades to be seen as equal, opposing the notion that they are the weaker sex. Be careful, your sisters may turn on you for that one.

Now, there are more male convicted criminals in this country than female convicted criminals. The statistics show us that. The statistics also show us that there has been a steady increase in crimes committee by women, especially violent crimes. But that is not our point of contention. Our disagreement is in the fact that unacceptable male behavior is viewed abhorrently by society, whereas unacceptable female behavior is accepted by society.

You said, “Though I believe women get depressed and some of them do bad things, cops, crims and judges all tell me crime is largely a male preserve, just like violence” (Domino Post #2374). Now, I don’t think you are suggesting that we completely ignore female criminals until the statistics balance out, so the point of your statement must have been to justify women’s criminal behavior through depression. Domino, would you say that someone who commits suicide is depressed? Does it make it OK if a man kills his family, then commits suicide? Since he killed himself, he was obviously depressed. If the terrorists of 9/11 had a well documented history of depression, would that change your opinion of their suicide attack? Hitler committed suicide; he must have been depressed. I use Adolf Hitler not to slant the argument, but only to make the point that calculating is calculating, no matter who is committing the act.

Based on your theory, I should be able to excuse the August 2004 Soviet airline terrorist attack committed by the 2 women from Chechnya because they are weak, possibly dysfunctional, could be suffering from depression, or may have been involved with an overbearing husband/boyfriend (FYI, these two women were single & shared an apartment, so don’t try the post partum domestic abuse thingy with this one). Hey, does your theory also apply to lesbians; I’m sure there are some dysfunctional alternative relationships comprised of aggressive & overbearing lesbian lovers.

You believe that all women are inherently good, & if they behave badly, it is not their fault. Instead they are reacting to an unrelated experience which is manifesting in the woman’s behavior, no matter how outlandish the behavior. In other words, it isn’t Eve’s fault, the Devil made her do it!

Domino, there are evil women out there, just like there are evil men out there. So if it walks, swims, & quacks like a duck, I’m calling it a duck – even when the duck is an AW.

-ILAS

American women suck – I stand firm on that!

Dickhead

06-01-05, 01:02

For further evidence that American women suck, live in a dream world, and have themselves way overrated, check out what this hag posted in the Argentinaprivate forum today. Note the capital M in "me." She wants $400 US just to meet for cocktails. In Buenos Aires! Next time do a little research, honey.

"Hi Gents!

I'm available for outcall in Bs. As. From June13 to July 1st . Sexy, intelligent, and sometimes naughty is the best way to describe myself.

A true gentleman that is generous and respects a woman is my ideal man. I specialize in repeat clients, if you see me you may get hooked, so be forewarned!

After a few moments with me, you'll realize that I'm very sensual, affectionate and completely down to earth. I cater exclusively to mature, professional gentlemen (40 years of age and older) who yearn for only the best and appreciate the finer things in life.

When you are ready for the ultimate in upscale, exclusive female companionship , just contact me .Please visit my site for more on Me.

http://www.corporate-corner.com

Kisses,

Elizabeth"

Nyc Expat

06-01-05, 02:35

Actual ad from a website "women seeking men"
Quote:
I am 21, working on a BA right now and work part time. Speak 3 languages fluently, dress stylist, 101 pounds- slim body, light brown eyes, long VERY dark hair with bangs, known to WOW places just by walking in. I'm confident because I feel confident and hold my weight. Picture will be sent only to serious inquiries: (YOU MUST SEND PHOTO AND PROOF OF IDENTITY AS WELL AS BIO/WILL BE KEPT EXTRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL-HOLD ME TO IT promise)
looking for:

Stylish/educated/wealthy/clean man
Who provides:
Allowance: 60k-90K
Gifts
Corvette (always had one till I severaly crashed mines last month)Black with Rims.
Manolos
Credit cards

Extremely sweet, baby face, with a voice, sensual, looking for my half :), you must be understanding, open minded, sexy, smart, outgoing and fun

and not cheap PLEASE
Unquote

You judge what she is.

Sinanju Master

06-01-05, 03:04

I LOVE to see these ads. These dumb bitches are thinking that I'd pay serious coin just to be in their presence?? THIS is the American Woman at her most BRAZEN. The sad thing is that some guys FALL for this bullshit. I'm supposed to believe that her pussy (sex isn't even IMPLIED in some ads) is so magnificent that it could make me 18 again? Sadly, it is THIS attitude (too full of one's self) that is rampant in American Society where women are concerned. I understand that they are peddling a product, but they are no better than the conniving snake oil salesmen who promise all but deliver little if at all. I remember chatting with a friend (female) who basically said that she was worth AT LEAST a bottle of Cristal champagne (roughly $1600/bottle). I thought to myself: "Let's see, you're OVERWEIGHT, your face does NOT stand out in the crowd, and the clothes you wear show your large ass and your rolls"... I almost equated her to a used car salesman...

Domino

06-01-05, 03:37

Gentlemen: Your latest posts concern common prostitutes, not American women per se. If A skank wants $400 to meet a moron for a few minutes, why criticize her? Remember there are no $400 skanks, only $400 mongers. Elizabeth's site sucks btw. Yet, I am sure she will get customers with her naked dogs and overall childish marketing angle.
Gentlemen: I wish you luck with your next American woman. Try home grown beef next time. You might learn to love it.

Sinanju Master

06-01-05, 04:15

Homegrown beef on a platonic, friendly level and no bullshit games? Sure! On a romantic level where she is more experienced in said arena and will seek to get what she can while giving as little as is humanly possible while trying to drain me of my resources? Sorry, but I'm not a sucker. I'd rather have fire ants crawl into my shorts than to pledge my "undying love" to a woman who is ALWAYS seeking better pastures while I'm taking the leap to meet her more than halfway. And believe me, I HAVE had the unfortunate experience of fire ants crawling in my shorts! It's WAY more preferable than to be converted into a notch on an AW's lipstake case..... I'll PASS thank you

Long Stroker

06-01-05, 08:39

Fucking hilarious piece of satire about falling into the dreaded "Friend Zone."

http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4122&n=3

PsyberZombie

06-01-05, 10:48

Here is a typical 28 y o American woman's personals ad

Interestingly , the only things she says about herself is that she is lazy , bitchy , ugly , and does not like giving blow·jobs =

" This is my ideal guy :

He has talent I can respect. Either he is a great artist or a musician with his own style or otherwise great at some craft. His talent doesn't follow the herd.

If he is not artistic than at least he enjoys the arts, music and books. If he has an interest in anything beyond mindless pop culture, video games and TV, that would be ideal. Not that any of that is too bad, but there is just so much more to life.

He has goals, not dreams. He strategizes on how he can realize his goals in light of whatever life has handed him as his fate.

He is an animal lover and has compassion for people.

He is financially solvent. He doesn't spend money he doesn't have and doesn't try to buy a woman's affection. He plans his livestyle to be uncomplicated and has common sense in regards to what is a wise investment or not.

He is not selfish and self-centered.

He likes his mom and female siblings and is nice to them.

He takes care of his emotional health as well as being conscious of his physical health.

He lives to travel and be spontaneous.

He is a one woman guy. He is not constantly searching for new ass. He's not an oral freak and wants to be with a girl who isn't into it either. He likes touching, kissing, giving and receiving massages. He knows where tha g-spot is.

He likes an independent lady who has her own interests, goals, and ideas and is supportive of her reaching them, as opposed to competing with her or taking no interest.

He wants to have a child. Not immediately, but he does see that in his future. He doesn't currently have any.

He's never been told by a girlfriend that he needs professional psychological help. If he has, he has gotten it and its been at least 5 years since he's gotten better.

He would rather do the right thing than try to get away with something.

He was not raised catholic.

He can cook and do his own laundry and doesn't expect his girlfriend to do it.

He believes in karma.

He listens to his inner voice and doesn't deny his real feelings. He can discuss issues and conflicts civily, even though a complete resolution may not come about.

He is not looking for a super model, but a real, normal person "

******************************************************

Dream on , Honey !!

Domino

06-01-05, 11:48

Psyberhead: Interesting post. Can the board answer the following questions without sarcasm:
1. Does she want a dreamer (penniless musician, dope smoking Zen head; she seems to be big into this) or a worker bee? How great does one have to be to be a great musician. (If I played with Black Sabbath, would that do? How about Prokofiev?)
2. Is Samus Aran out? He is into video games but has lots of cash (not mentioned)., is into meditation etc. I don't know his policy on blow jobs but surely they could talk that through.
3. What kind of goals? Obviously getting into the Guinness Book of Records for fucking more ass than anyone else in history is out, but are these career or Zen goals?
4. What is the bottom line for wealth and do risky stocks and/or unethical cash flow sources count? Are Goodfellas in touch with their inner child out?
5. I like my mom but what if I have no female siblings? Do we have to like female siblings more than males? What if we are into wearing their clothes and watching Psycho?
6. Dickhead is a one woman cook able guy but he was raised Catholic. What percentage of US male adults were raised Catholic? What if one was raised a Satanist?
7. How important is it to be a human dildo? What if one does not believe in sex outside marriage?
8. What if the applicant can fool his shrinks into thinking he is not Freddy Krugar/Jason Voorhees?
9. What if he wants lots of children?

Interesting ad and lots of issues arising. She strikes me as a downwardly mobile, pseudo artistic, anal retentive type who is unsure of what she really wants. Not my type. More ads for objective analysis would help.

CBGBConnisur

06-01-05, 13:34

In some places around the world, about $50 will buy you a really good time with a dream type woman.

ILoveAnalSex

06-01-05, 14:03

I've been there [the friend zone] before. Thanks for the link.

ILAS

Chocha Monger

06-01-05, 20:08

The women placing those outrageous ads are seriously out of touch with reality. The one looking for a 60K-90K "allowance" obviously doesn't know that a man can get a nice house and excellent help for many years in Latin America for that kind of money.

American women need to wake up and face the harsh realities of globalization. Due to the high prices they place on their pussies they are facing the same faith as manufacturing jobs in the US. It is now cheaper to take a short trip on a long weekend to a foreign destination with better looking women who have nicer attitudes.

If you have to put out that kind of money for female companionship then you should not accept anything less than the best. Unfortunately, the domestic product can't compete with what is available overseas so increasingly consumers will vote with their dollars. That is the beauty of a free market economy in action.

Bart9000

06-01-05, 20:58

I took a sociology class several years ago and learned about the "heirarchy of prostitution". The heirarchy goes rougly like this (no surprises) streetwalker, massage parlor type girl, call girl, "kept woman". The 60-90K girl was auditioning for a job as a "kept woman" who is basically a "piece on the side" for a wealthy, possibly married, possibly high profile executive or celebrity man (who may have a lifestyle that doesn't allow them to sneak off to BA. at least without bringing the wife along), who is "kept" in luxurious conditions. It does happen. Is that kind of money too much to pay for a vagina with an American Girl attached to it. ABSOLUTELY. However, from the perspective of a high profile wealthy guy what would you perfer-shelling out some cash, or a headline like "Major Fortune 500 Executive caught in call girl sting".

On another note, I happened today to meet a 50ish Russian Woman. WOW. I think that I could actually handle looking at that every day when I get to be 65 or so. The girls around where I live (the sticks), start looking dumpy around 28, or their illegitimate third baby, whichever comes first.

Dickhead

06-01-05, 22:13

Pizza man/Skinhead: It is a bit of an overstatement to say I was raised Catholic. Originally I was baptized Protestant but my mother converted to Catholicism when I was four or five. My father was not Catholic. For a while they took turns and we would go to the Catholic church one week and the Protestant church the next. I did take my first communion which I refuse to capitalize and took maybe three years of catechism before getting thrown out for continually questioning the dogma. I believe I was eleven when I finally refused to go to church any more. I was never confirmed. I did sing in the choir for a while but got thrown out of that for hitting John Washalefsky over the head with a chair.

But I sure as hell don't need a women to cook for me or do my laundry. Shit down here I just drop my laundry off for 5.50 pesos a load, about two bucks, and I don't have to fold it. Women down here are amazed that I don't have a maid. One even asked me recently if my maid had any days available and I said, "What maid? I clean my own place. It is 40 square meters," and she was just amazed.

The men down here are such chauvinist pigs that just opening a car door for a woman or clearing the dishes off the table virtually guarantees animal sex afterwards.

Domino

06-02-05, 02:47

1. OK, it look like Dickhead can apply to be a human dildo for this babe. Reading the ad, though, it looks advisable to bring rosary beads and an I love Oral Sex t shirt along to the first date.
2. I think one of the problems is a mismatch of expectations. The guys here all put the emphasis on money, power and goof looking women. The women want something less tangible.
3. I took a young Muslim babe out a few nights ago, doing my little bit for intenrational goodwill. She is liberated but from a very conservative Asian backwater. She too wants a gentle guy, someone in touch with his inner soul, who respects her etc. She got me.
4. I guess mutual distrust is also a bigger factor these days. There are certainly a lot of embittered folk out there. And not all that much demand for human dildos when all is said and done.
5. Why can't she stroke her own g spot anyway?

Dickhead

06-02-05, 07:50

Women in general and with some exceptions cannot masturbate nearly as well as the average man can. This has important implications in that for one thing they waste a lot of time. Ever notice how women are always late? I often wonder if this is because they decided to masturbate but it took them too god damn long to get it done.

Daddy Rulz

06-02-05, 17:03

I was complaining about women in Argentina always being late to a friend of mine there. She mentioned how I was always raving about how beautiful Argentinian mujeras are. I agreed that I have been known to state that they are the most beautiful women in the world from time to time. She asked me "how do you think we get that way?"

My question is this, why here in sex prison are they late as well but show up wearing no makeup in a track suit? Could it be the masturbating?

ILoveAnalSex

06-02-05, 17:25

Maybe they were jogging? No, wait, you said American women. Nevermind.

Domino

06-02-05, 22:33

hearing held for notorious canada inmate by phil couvrette, associated press writer thu jun 2,10:56 am et

canada's most notorious female inmate, who has completed most of her 12-year prison sentence in the slayings of two teenagers, appeared thursday at a hearing where authorities will try to restrict her freedom once she is released.

karla homolka pleaded guilty to manslaughter in 1993 in the sex slayings of leslie mahaffy and kristen french and is set for release from a quebec prison july 5, although federal guidelines may allow her to be freed as early as june 23.

the appearance at the quebec superior court was the first in public for homolka, 35, since she went to prison. she was escorted into the courthouse in a police van, said benoit richard, a police officer in joliette, 50 miles north of montreal.

homolka got a reduced sentence by testifying against her ex-husband, paul bernardo, at his murder trial. he is serving a life sentence.

as part of the plea agreement, she was not charged in the death of her younger sister, 15-year-old tammy homolka, who died in 1990 after choking on her own vomit after she was drugged and raped by the couple.

canadian media labeled her plea bargain "the deal with the devil."

tim danson, the lawyer representing the mahaffy and french families, said he would ask the judge to block homolka from visiting parks, playgrounds or other areas frequented by children.

"my clients, more than anyone, appreciate how dangerous karla homolka is," danson told cbc-tv outside the courthouse. "karla homolka got away with murder. they recognize she represents a serious threat to the public and they want to do what they can to protect the lives of other canadians."

homolka's father, karel, told cp24 news channel that his daughter should face no restrictions once she's out of jail.

"this is canada, not russia, right?" he said from his home in st. catharines in southern ontario. when asked if his daughter had done her time, he responded: "she sure has, and then some."

ontario premier dalton mcguinty said tuesday that people were justifiably afraid of homolka and he would press authorities to impose as many restrictions as possible after her release.

"people are very concerned about what she might do again, and we have a responsibility to protect the public interest," mcguinty said. "this is something that has profoundly affected the psyche of ontarians."

the montreal gazette reported earlier this week that homolka has lost weight and dyed her blond hair black and cut it to shoulder length.

the newspaper also said she was "despised" by many inmates for her lack of remorse and for getting special treatment.

the ontario government will use section 810 of the criminal code, which only applies to individuals who may commit another offense or be a danger to the public, in arguing that her movements should be restricted. they also will seek a court order requiring her to submit a dna sample for a criminal database, said michael bryant, the province's attorney general.

bryant said officials fear she might commit new crimes.

"we are seeking a recognizance order, and will be making submissions to try and meet the test, which is that there's a reasonable likelihood that the person will commit another offense," he said.

bryant said he met recently with two of the couple's other [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) victims to get their input into what restrictions they would like to see imposed.

bryant wouldn't say if the province would — or could — consider new charges against homolka in connection with one of the victims, known as jane doe, who told the toronto sun this week that she wanted homolka to face trial for drugging, [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) and almost killing her.

ILoveAnalSex

06-02-05, 22:50

I had never heard of that case before, but I'm not surprised that the State (Canada) is trying to add on to her original sentence. In Florida, they want to pass restrictions on living within a certain distance of a school, park or daycar center if you've been convicted of a sexual crime against a minor. They are also considering legislation to allow life-long monitoring of convicted child molesters using the GPS ankle bracelet system (like the one Martha Stewart has). It looks like Canada is following suit.

Daddy Rulz

06-03-05, 08:27

Your usually an advocate of AW on this board. Was this last post to show that women of other countries do this kind of thing? Just seeking clarification.

ILoveAnalSex

06-04-05, 01:44

I had just finished watching Jeopardy when a trailer for a new Heather Locklear (She’s so Hot!) movie was advertised. Locklear plays a middle aged mother who has not been able to find her perfect mate (I’m not sure if she’s divorced or never married). I gather the premise of the movie is that Locklear’s friends & daughter hunt around to find “Mr. Right” so that Locklear will not spend the rest of her life as a spinster. Guess what the title of the movie is: The Perfect Man.

Now, I’d love to find out how the perfect man is defined in this movie. Even more interesting will be how all of the almost certain numerous imperfect men will be portrayed. I’m sure some of the men in the movie will be a bit over the top (for example, I think I did see a gay bartender/waiter in the trailer) & I don’t know anything about Locklear’s character’s standard of living or personality, but I’m curious to find out how an ordinary decent guy will be depicted in this movie (if the movie decides to even show any ordinary folks).

Hopefully Roger Ebert will review this movie in the coming weeks because as curious as I am to find out, I don’t think I can bring myself to pay money to sit in a theater surrounded by a horde of desperate women relating to Locklear’s situation (if you know mean). Should any of you gentlemen happen to be dragged by your significant other to see the movie, please post a report on it.

-ILAS

American Women suck, still.

Domino

06-04-05, 03:02

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/austria_freezer_infants

The Canadian lady won't win many popularity polls. I wonder what future she has. I imagine the guy got her up to a lot of it, maybe a little like Myra Hindley in England. There women are on the extreme and I sincerely hope there are not many of them out there helping guys do bad things.
I hope this example might provoke some debate/insights. I think examples like Psyber's ad would help a lot in highlighting and discussing relevent issues here in a productive way.

The Austrian babies case is, again, sad.

ILoveAnalSex

06-04-05, 04:06

The woman, whose name was not released because of Austrian privacy laws... -WILLIAM J. KOLE, Associated Press Writer

Now that is interesting. In the US, an arrest is public domain & the authorities will relase your name immediately. Hell, they will release your name even if you are not considered a suspect (I like that one. You're not a suspect, but we just decided to investigate you & put you out in the limelight for shits & giggles.)

Daddy Rulz

06-04-05, 07:18

If you notice again and again in that article the writer is trying to absolve the woman. "Calls for more assitance from women in crisis pregnancies" When a woman does that immediatly after a pregnancy it's clear that she does so because she sees no other way out." I don't disagree with the conclusions but I don't think they are a valid excuse. Had a man taken the babies from her, killed them and stuffed them into a freezer it would be page one on the world press and the call would be for his immediate execution.

CBGBConnisur

06-04-05, 12:35

The justice system in the US is completely tipped in the favor of women compared to men it is just ridiculous. Not that the system in the UK or Australia is much better. I don't believe in marriage, and show most women the door after 90 days, its the best way I know to minimize my liabilities.

ILoveAnalSex

06-04-05, 13:13

You're correct. When a woman does something wrong, everyone wants to try to understand how she could do something like this, but when it's a man, no one cares - just fry him.

ILoveAnalSex

06-04-05, 13:17

That's interesting. Any reason why you chose 90 days? Just curious.

Chocha Monger

06-04-05, 17:47

The tendency for people to rationalize heinous crimes committed by Western women is a reflection of the feminist grip on society. If one were to believe the propaganda in the media, there is an evil man behind every crime committed by a woman. The excuse that the Devil made me do it has now been replaced by the man made me do it.

It seems that only men are capable of criminal acts these days. If a woman murders her children it was most likely because she was depressed due to her husband/boyfriend abusing her or threatening to abandon her. Female criminals are victims who need understanding and male criminals are animals who must be severely punished.

I wonder how Lady Macbeth's behavior in the Shakespearean play "Macbeth" would be interpreted by those who are quick to excuse female deviants. The Greek play "Medea" by Euripides, shows exactly what women can be capable of. Perhaps, her husband Jason was to blame for Medea murdering their children as part of her revenge plot against him?

Medea:

"In vain, my children, have I brought you up,
Borne all the cares and pangs of motherhood,
And the sharp pains of childbirth undergone.
In you, alas, was treasured many a hope
Of loving sustentation in my age,
Of tender laying out when I was dead,
Such as all men might envy.
Those sweet thoughts are mine no more, for now bereft of you
I must wear out a drear and joyless life,
And you will nevermore your mother see,
Nor live as ye have done beneath her eye.
Alas, my sons, why do you gaze on me,
Why smile upon your mother that last smile?
Ah me! What shall I do? My purpose melts
Beneath the bright looks of my little ones.
I cannot do it. Farewell, my resolve,
I will bear off my children from this land.
Why should I seek to wring their father's heart,
When that same act will doubly wring my own?
I will not do it. Farewell, my resolve.
What has come o'er me? Shall I let my foes
Triumph, that I may let my friends go free?
I'll brace me to the deed. Base that I was
To let a thought of wickedness cross my soul.
Children, go home. Whoso accounts it wrong
To be attendant at my sacrifice,
Let him stand off; my purpose is unchanged.
Forego my resolutions, O my soul,
Force not the parent's hand to slay the child.
Their presence where we will go will gladden thee.
By the avengers that in Hades reign,
It never shall be said that I have left
My children for my foes to trample on.
It is decreed."

Smut Villain

06-04-05, 19:29

that's interesting. any reason why you chose 90 days? just curious.

don't know how it is in australia, but in some jurisdictions in the u.s. a female doesn't have to be married to be entitled to 50% of a man's assets upon dissolution of the relationship; she only needs to have lived (and have been in a relationship) with the man for a certain time period (usually about a year). in states where this horrid law is observed the concept is known as a "common-law marriage" (some may even call it a "de facto" marriage). she doesn't need a ring on her finger to ass-[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) you in court :(.

maybe that's what cbgb is trying to avoid.

ILoveAnalSex

06-04-05, 20:09

Ahhh! So infanticide is not a trend nouveau, but women have engaged in this activity for centuries.

Well, I guess women feel that revenge is a right; therefore, women are blameless if they exercise that right & Medea follows closely to this premise.

It’s sad that a woman’s reaction (or overreaction) to rejection is seldom criticized. I recall the scene in the Terry McMillan movie, Waiting to Exhale, when Angela Bassett loads her husbands BMW with his possessions & sets the whole thing ablaze.

Now, Angela’s husband had just told her that he wanted a divorce (he was going to leave her for another woman, a co-worker I think); but I don’t think the theater would have erupted with applause if a man were to have set a bonfire after receiving a Dear John letter from his wife. Hell, everyone probably would have rationalized why the woman needed to leave the guy.

You know something, Maybe All Women Suck, but American Women Suck More

ILAS

ILoveAnalSex

06-04-05, 20:16

Common Law Marriage, now that’s a disaster waiting to happen.

Do they really enforce that nowadays? I know any domestic relationship is a potential powder keg, but has anyone ever had their assets taken under common law?

Dickhead

06-05-05, 02:29

I read a book about the Paul Bernardo-Karla Homolka murder case and although it has nothing to do with the topic at hand it is some really sick shit. Again it was the battered woman defense and it was all the man's fault and he got life and she gets out, even though she was recruiting the victims. So he beat her. So what? Pack your bags and get the fuck out.

Domino

06-05-05, 03:00

The Greek play "Medea" by Euripides, shows exactly what women can be capable of. Perhaps, her husband Jason was to blame for Medea murdering their children as part of her revenge plot against him?
CM: Good to see I have a fellow thespian here. All of these cases here involve relationships/spouses squaring the score with their spouse by killing their issue. I believe these crimes are in a different class; the French, for example, have a defense of crime of passion to murder. I also believe most of the anger here from posters is becasue of the failure, for whatever reasons, of their relationships with AW.
As AW are mortal like us, they can created heaven as well as hell. But crime, by and large, remains a male preserve.

CBGBConnisur

06-05-05, 03:10

In certain European countries, the women are as independent and rabidly feminist as American women, Sweden, Denmark, and the UK are the three best examples, then there are countries that are still quite traditional, most of them are in the former Eastern bloc. The woman that most guys will want for a long term relationship or that dedicated lady will not come from a first world country. She will most likely be in Eastern Europe, Asia, or South America.

Dickhead

06-05-05, 03:42

What the fuck does a monger want with a long term relationship anyway? I have now been seeing the same gal for a record breaking eight months. I've only ever dated three AWs for longer than that, ex-wife included. But the difference is I see her every five days or so (less often lately) and I never see her twice in a row without fucking at least one other woman in between. This is perfect. We have continuity; we know each other; we can have that whole caring/sharing thing. And, we don't get bored. However pretty soon I will still have to cut her. When I do, I will give her a big hug and wish her well.

Never fuck the same woman two nights in a row, I say.

ILoveAnalSex

06-05-05, 04:45

Domino, I still do not understand your point of saying that crime is primarily a male preserve. Are you saying that we should ignore the preferential treatment of female criminals because there are fewer female criminals than male criminals?

When you compare the numbers, there are fewer children who shoot up schoolyards than there are women who commit murder, but when a school shooting occurs, people do not say, “ well, crime is largely an adult preserve.” Instead, the police investigate the circumstances & no one tries to explain away the child’s behavior. These kids are held solely responsible for their behavior (although they may question whether or not the parents were as involved with their kids as they could have been). In some cases, the State will even attempt to try the child as an adult, which places the child in more jeopardy than if he/she were tried as a minor. No one presumes that the kid was abused, & no one tries to get the child to implicate the parents in return for leniency. In the case of the DC snipers, an adult was with the child; yet the State of Maryland made a deal with Virginia to try the child’s case in Virginia where they could go after the death penalty for the minor (The US Supreme Court has just ruled that the death penalty is unconstitutional in cases involving minors).

I believe that minors are much more impressionable, easier to manipulate & less stable emotionally than adult women. So if children can be held to “Adult” standards with regard to criminal behavior, why must we always find a scapegoat when it comes to adult women & their behavior?

ILAS

American Women started it, so American Women suck the most!

Dickhead

06-05-05, 08:21

What about that "I hate Mondays" chick who shot up the schoolyard? Boy was she ugly.

I have a very good AW friend whose sister has just been admitted to rehab. Drug rehab? Alcohol rehab? No. Shopping rehab. It seems she blew through a half million dollar inheritance in about four years, and is "depressed" and has "used shopping as an escape." Her husband is a minister (pussy whipped to begin with) and even he finally asked for a divorce due to lack of sex.

So now the mother, whose father's legacy this gal squandered on god knows what, has placed her in an expensive rehab facility where she is now getting intravenous magnesium and vitamin C (I am not kidding) and some other shit until they can "figure out what type of chemical imbalance led to this behavior." OK, fuck, I don't know; maybe it is potassium. You get my point. Definitely intravenous vitamin C, though.

This is not a wayward teenager but a 40 something (fat cow) woman with a graduate degree. May I now please be excused to vomit?

Dickhead

06-05-05, 08:44

Oh god now plus I just looked at the America's Most Wanted website. Apparently a lot of hookers are getting whacked. But take a look at these poor, unfortunate, dead alleged hookers. Who in the hell would pay to fuck them? De mortuis nil nisi bonum notwithstanding.

This really concerns me.

Domino

06-05-05, 09:15

http://www.amw.com/features/feature_story_detail.cfm?id=442
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/bernardo/10.html?sect=5

Above are the whacked cuties and the strange and scary XXX of the Canadian killers. Going around whacking hookers or getting into the sick shit the Canadians did stems from something and is aggravated by surroundings and lack of personal control. The Canadian babe wrote her parents asking them to forgive her for whacking her sister. She wrote from the State Pen.
Not all women are angels and not all kids are either. There is a cautionary tale in the Canadians: "everything" in moderation only.
I personally think your arguments are flawed. Why do kids shoot up schools and not somewhere else? There is a mitigating reason, as there is with women killing spouses and children. These people are, thankfuly, marginal to society and to crime, which remains a largley male preserve from armed robberies, muggings, pimping etc. Not to play the old soldier but I know right wing, street smart, ass kicking cops and they agree a lot of these women and children are beaten before they are born.
Also, as regards Dickhead's addiction to hired holes, many guys here are just passing through until they meet the AW of their dreams.

I neither want nor expect agreement on this as our views on crime and punishment differ. However, I feel the diagreement might shine light for all of us; it does for me.

I actually like I don't like Mondays as that song was out in 1979, a year I spent mostly in the most perfect pussies I have ever known.

ILoveAnalSex

06-05-05, 18:11

how are a lot of these women beaten before they are born?

fact - in today’s society we have more women attending & graduating from university than men.

fact - in today’s society women earn more money than men (now you have to pay attention to this fact. for example, you cannot compare the average male physician’s salary to the average salary of a female housekeeper working in the hospitality industry. but when you compare the average female starting salary to the average male starting salary within the same industry, women earn more than men. it is when women leave the workforce to raise children that they lose ground to their male peers, as well as their female peers who did not leave to have children. this explains why women want to put off having children until later & later, which unfortunately does not coincide with their biological clock).

fact - in today’s society women have more political influence than men. politicians are constantly courting the urban career woman & the suburban soccer mom.

so i do not understand how women are behind the power curve compared to men.

mitigating factors are irrelevant; there is a mitigating factor behind every action, criminal or legal, male or female. so i do not understand how mitigating factors invalidate my “women vs. children” argument. the point of my comparison between women & children is how society holds minors accountable for their criminal behavior, not readily willing to explain it away like it does for women.

in your earlier post, you referred to women as being mentally, physically & emotionally weaker than men, therefore requiring special consideration with regard to their behavior, even when the behavior is murder. my point is that minor children are obviously the weakest segment of our society (well, maybe not when compared to the mentally handicapped), yet society is quick to prosecute minor children as adults, holding the minors to adult behavioral standards.

so if the weakest segment of our society is expected to behave like adults, why must we sympathize with adult women when they fail to behave likewise? i’m sure no one expects more from minor children than from grown women, but i do not want to be presumptuous. it is possible that you believe that a 12 year old minor is physically, mentally & emotionally more mature than an adult woman, & therefore should be held to a higher standard.

ilas

american women suck, until proven otherwise.

CBGBConnisur

06-05-05, 23:31

Dickhead to answer your question, not everyone wants to remain alone for life. Sometimes you do find someone in the crowd that you are especially attracted to in a more intimate way. Anyway I find that the local women in Australia serve their purpose as short term entertainment quite well. Not all Australian women are sex machines, there are some that are quite homely, but then again there is a substantial supply of the beach volleyball types too.

Domino

06-06-05, 02:06

There are disadvantaged sections of society, like the poor and minorities but rich women hardly fit into that. I looked at the dead hookers from the story Dickhead alerted us to and I wondered what the life story of those former lot lizards was. I then read up on some notorious female criminals from the same site - though none of them seems to have been as depraved as the Canadian babe.
Most of us, I hope do not want to meet these dangerous outliers. Instead, we prefer ordinary, cuddly, beefy, stocky, lovable American women. God bless them and their healthy appetites!

CBGBConnisur

06-06-05, 02:53

In some countries, some of the best looking women are "outliers" in the societies in which they live. I can think of several European countries, the women from the minority groups are almost always the best women in those societies.

Dickhead

06-06-05, 04:06

domino probably looked at those dead hookers and got a woody. i just flew back from uruguay to argentina and the aws were acting so fucking stupid. one fat slob had lost her entry form she got in uruguay and so at the montevideo airport i nicely offered to go with her to the immigration desk to translate for her. she looked at me suspiciously like i was a [CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126) and declined. later i heard her on her cell phone calling her mom in the us (this woman was in her late 20s) and asking her what she should do. still later i ran into her at the immigration desk, where she was attempting to communicate with the non-english speaking immigration officer by speaking really loudly in english while holding up everyone else in the line.

then on the plane there was a whole group of students from dartmouth, an ivy league college for christ's sake. the two women in the group's entire speech was like you know i like um you know totally like um wow like thought uruguay was so like, um, really um like i don't know ... like different.

then there was the woman who, while also speaking in really loud english to the guy at the snack bar, got extremely huffy when she found out she could pay in dollars (with a $20 bill for a $2 item) but would get her change in uruguayan pesos, instead of being grateful for the option to pay in a foreign currency. this gal was just a biscuit or two shy of three bills. she was literally dragging her pussy of a husband by the arm over to the snack bar to "talk some sense" into the snack bar guy. she asked me if i was american and i said in spanish that i was from bulgaria.

oh yeah and all the female united airlines flight attendants were fat and ugly and did not speak spanish while most of the male flight attendants were trim and did speak spanish (and were totally gay). one of the female flight attendants looked like she had been dumped out of a vacuum cleaner bag.

anyway good luck with these hags. i'm sure you will need it.

Smut Villain

06-06-05, 04:11

Domino

06-06-05, 05:24

Dickhead: Your last post should be edited. There is no excuse for bumping off aging hookers; they are people and should rip. The same goes for the naive kid bumped off in Aruba. The Ivy League kids are just that, naive all [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and wind kids, going out to see the world, talking in the vernacular and not about Proust or whatever you imagine they should talk about. We all have met the ugly Americans abroad but the ones you mention were probalby just scared of the foreigners, as many Americans are and, being unused to foreigners, speak loudly, in English and thereby compound stereotypes.

American Armed Forces Radio run ads like that, telling their listeners that speaking loudly doesn't help and that they should learn the native language. Interestingly, in the military outposts of the American Empire, in places like Japan, they construct little Americas on base, complete with shopping malls, soccer moms, picket fences and PTAs. Very many of the housewives never venture off base and end up having to see shrinks. But I am kind to them as I am a nice, loving and caring monger. I take care of AW. And so should you. They need our love.

Now, gentlemen, to get fully back on track. Do not blame American women. Blame the system that instigates and perpetuates the problems, both real and imagined.

Chocha Monger

06-06-05, 05:29

Bad Girls Go Wild
A rise in girl-on-girl violence is making headlines nationwide and prompting scientists to ask why.

Wounded: Jennifer Clayton, 14, was beaten by three girls as she walked home from school

By Julie Scelfo
Newsweek June 13 issue - When police arrived on the scene of a fatal stabbing last week in Brooklyn, N.Y., they were stunned by what they saw. The victim, an 11-year-old girl, lay crumpled on the floor, the front of her "Dora the Explorer" T shirt bloodied. The weapon, a steak knife, was in the kitchen sink. And the perpetrator, visibly upset and clinging to her mother, police say, was a little girl in a ponytail, only 9 years old. A few days later, she stood in white socks and shiny black dress shoes before a judge, listening as her lawyer entered a plea of not guilty.

The tragic event, which took place after the girls came to blows over a pink rubber ball, was a sad reminder that children can possess the same brutal instincts as adults. But for experts on youth crime, the killing was another instance of what they view as a burgeoning national crisis: the significant rise in violent behavior among girls. According to the FBI's Uniform Crime Report, the number of girls 10 to 17 arrested for aggravated assault has doubled over the last 20 years. The number of boys arrested for weapons possession rose 22 percent between 1983 and 2003, while the number of girls increased by a whopping 125 percent. Today, one in three juveniles arrested for violent crimes is female. "Girls are not what people think they are," says Dr. Howard Spivak, director of Tufts University Center for Children and coauthor of a new book, "Sugar and Spice and No Longer Nice: How We Can Stop Girls' Violence." "The change in girls' behavior is overwhelming."

A quick look at recent headlines is overwhelming indeed. On April 20, a 17-year-old from Lexington, Mass., allegedly slashed open the neck and face of another girl with a bottle of Twisted Tea. The next day, three teenage girls in Ayden, N.C., were charged with first-degree murder for participating in a drive-by shooting that left a 10-year-old boy dead. On May 3, a 17-year-old from Chicago was stabbed in her left breast and right armpit; a 16-year-old female classmate has been charged. And the teen daughter of former "Law & Order" star Dianne Wiest was recently arrested in Manhattan with two girlfriends for allegedly roughing up a male classmate and stealing his iPod. A court hearing is scheduled.

Schoolyards, where boy bullies once reigned supreme, are increasingly arenas for skirmishes between girls. "There are actually more physical girl fights now than between boys," says Bill Bond, a former school principal in Paducah, Ky., who travels the country studying safety issues for the National Association of Secondary School Principals. "I was just on a Cheyenne reservation yesterday and the principal said he had had one fight this year between boys and six between girls." Jennifer Clayton, 14, was beaten up in May by three other girls as she walked home from her school in Guelph, Ont. "I could hear them saying, 'Punch her in the face'," she told the local newspaper.

Jennifer Orangio, the 18-year-old slashing victim in Massachusetts, says that when she came upon her boyfriend hanging out with an ex in the school parking lot, the heat of her own reaction took her by surprise. Orangio went up to the other girl, Jamie Pelletier, and pushed her. Pelletier "threatened to smash a bottle over my head ... I was, like, 'Go ahead, do it!' And she did it." Pelletier, 17, now faces felony charges of assault and battery with a dangerous weapon (to which she pleaded not guilty). She declined to comment.

Part of this spike in violence is related to evolving sex roles. Historically, boys have received messages from the culture that connect masculinity with physical aggression, while girls received opposite messages, encouraging passivity and restraint. Now girls are barraged with images of "sheroes"—think Sydney Bristow on ABC's "Alias" or Uma Thurman's the Bride in "Kill Bill: Vol. 2"—giving them a wider range of role models and tacit permission to alter their behavior. Accordingly, says Spivak, some girls have "shifted from internalizing anger to striking out."

The women's movement, which explicitly encourages women to assert themselves like men, has unintentionally opened the door to girls' violent behavior. "I was at a JV lacrosse game, watching my granddaughter. We cheered like hell because she was being aggressive on the field," says Joan Jacobs Brumberg, professor of history, human development and gender studies at Cornell. "I don't want to blame women's liberation for violence among girls," cautions Brumberg, but "traditional femininity and passivity are no longer valued in young females." James Garbarino, professor of human development at Cornell, puts it more bluntly. "We rely on boys to get out there and block a football, go in the Army and defend the country, carry guns and be cops. One of the side effects is that some boys take [physical aggression] too far." Now that girls have the same opportunities, he says, they can encounter the same blurry boundaries.

Research suggests that the best predictor of violent behavior, however—for girls and for boys—is not hours logged playing videogames or competitive pressure, but firsthand exposure to violent behavior. And social scientists warn that the number of children who see guns, fights and other kinds of physical abuse on a day-to-day basis is on the rise. "Violence in girls, like violence in boys, is really rooted in the individual and the individual's situation. I don't think you can blame the culture entirely for this phenomenon," says Brumberg.

After Ella Speight's 17-year-old daughter was attacked by a 16-year-old classmate last month, she spent hours in the hospital, tending to her child. Speight says she isn't angry: she prays for the assailant and even embraced the girl's mother when they met in court. "My heart hurts for her family," says Speight. "I know her mother didn't send her out to do that." Sugar and spice and everything nice: maybe Speight's forgiving nature represents an ideal that even boys can aim for.

With William Lee Adams

© 2005 Newsweek, Inc.

Domino

06-06-05, 05:40

Chocha Monger: Very good post. I will have to masticate on it. I think posts like that are much better and informative for all of us than just shooting off about what bittches AW are. I am sure there is a class dimension to all of this.
It as not like that in my day, dear;)

'Vice ring madam', 80, arrested
Police say a woman arrested on suspicion of running a prostitution ring in the US state of New Jersey may have a unique distinction. At 80 years old, they say, Vera Tursi could be the world's oldest operator in the world's oldest profession. New Jersey authorities say Mrs Tursi has admitted running prostitutes through the "August Playmates" agency.

Mrs Tursi, who is reported to use an inhaler and a walking frame, was arrested as part of a vice crackdown. Police raided several illegal prostitution rings masquerading as legal escort agencies.

'Sounded old'

Officers said they began to suspect her advanced age when they spoke to her on the phone during the undercover operation. She could be heard catching her breath and used old-fashioned language, they said.

"She used the word 'dear', as in, 'That's all-inclusive, dear'," reported the New Jersey Star-Ledger.

"You get a feel for how old someone is when you talk to them," State Police Detective Sergeant Thomas Cornely told the Newark newspaper. "She sounded like an 80-year-old woman."

She is thought to be the oldest suspect in a US prostitution case - though a 78-year-old woman was called "America's oldest madam" after court case in the early 1980s.

Police say Mrs Tursi ran the business from her two-bedroom flat. She reportedly admitted taking over the business from her daughter, who died a few years ago, to supplement her retirement income. She is alleged to have skimmed off $60 (£33) from every $160 (£88) clients were charged for an hour with a call girl.

Mrs Tursi faces up to five years in prison if she is found guilty - but police say because of her age, health and clean record, she would be more likely to be given probation.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/americas/4612401.stm

Long Stroker

06-06-05, 08:02

Amazing post Chocha Monger - thanks for sharing.

I, for one, welcome the day when the US female population will be comprised of nothing but "sheroes." We will need aggressive women to serve in the Army to protect our borders and fight our wars after President Hillary orders the chemical castration of the US male population.

Don't worry - you won't feel a thing.

ILoveAnalSex

06-06-05, 11:33

Outstanding post Chocha.

It amazes me that so many people today cannot fathom the idea that women, especially the women of the last couple of generations, are in fact violent creatures. I'm 35 & over the course of my life the worst fights I've ever been in were with women.

It's good see a respected news organization dispelling some of the gender myths we have running around. This could be the beggining of progress.

ILoveAnalSex

06-06-05, 17:20

Here’s an interesting article from Reuters. A Russian diplomat believes that Russian women are most beautiful in the world. I've not been to Russia so I cannot comment on their women, but I’m sure everyone says that the women of their home country are the best around. I’d like to be able to develop an unbiased way to really determine which country had the best women - looks & personality.

Anyway, here is the link if you want to see the article in its original form, however, I have posted the article below in its entirety: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050606/od_nm/russia_marriage_dc;_ylt=AhP17b6iujipTizaBRgaRCWs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2YnFncG91BHNlYwNvZA--

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MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russians who marry foreigners could be exiled and stripped of their citizenship under a bill being drafted by a group of members of parliament, a deputy said Sunday.

One of the bill's authors, Duma deputy Nikolai Kuryanovich, a member of the ultra-nationalist LDPR party, admitted parliament was unlikely to approve the measures but insisted they were necessary. "Our women, the most beautiful and best in the world, are going abroad. By doing this, they are wasting the most valuable thing we have -- the gene pool of our nation," Kuryanovich told Ekho Moskvy radio.

But while condemning women for going abroad, he also said he did not want people bringing foreign spouses to Russia either.

Newly-weds would be forced to go and live in the country where their spouses were from, Kuryanovich said, to protect Russia from "an invasion of alien elements."
"Adapting to life in Russia ... foreigners impose their own rules, which are unacceptable to us," he said.

Since the fall of Communism, the numbers of Russians marrying foreigners has increased significantly and a poll cited in respected magazine Ogonyok last year said one in three 17 to 25-year-old girls wanted to marry a foreigner and live abroad.
The LDPR party's leader, Vladimir Zhirinovsky, is known as a maverick who enjoys stirring up controversy and has traded punches with fellow deputies during parliamentary sittings.

CBGBConnisur

06-06-05, 20:12

The Dartmouth College ladies were just acting like typical affluent suburban brats. I had the opportunity to see a group of German women and American women side by side at a nightclub in Australia. Carefully observing both groups of women, there were stark differences in the behavior, demeanor, and appearance of both groups. The Germans were far more attractive(the German ladies were slim, and fashionably dressed while the American women seemed hefty and dressed in a gaudy manner, the Germans held better composure, and seemed a lot friendlier than the American ladies, it was like comparing a fleet of S-Class Mercedes Benzes to some noisy Chevy's.

Cyberdas

06-07-05, 00:43

An arcticle from The Sunday Times:

Women have it both ways
Rod Liddle

Women, it seems, are far too tired to sleep with us these days. They are also too tired to do paid work and that unpaid domestic servitude we males glibly pass off as “housework”. Women, in short, are completely whacked.

They could do with sitting down on the sofa with their legs up and a nice cup of tea.

Two reports out last week show just how exhausted women have become: they do not, at first sight, seem to be linked — but when you think about it for a bit, the connection is pretty obvious.

The first and most startling came in the magazine Mother & Baby (to which journal, as you might imagine, I am a subscriber). This was the place where we discovered that women who have young children are too bushed for sexual intercourse, even that sadly familiar form of congress that lasts only a nanosecond. The report also came up with this statistic: about 77% of women who have recently had babies say they are “unable to work effectively” because they are up all night breast-feeding.

This is interesting for two reasons. First, most women who have babies and continue working (after their fairly long, mandatory maternity leave) tend to do so on a part-time basis, to the frequent chagrin of their bosses. But they’re still exhausted.

Second, while we might empathise with their insuperable weariness, should we not also spare a thought for the curmudgeonly bosses, especially those of small firms, who have complained endlessly about women staff with very small children working on a part-time basis and are usually designated antediluvian chauvinists when they dare to do so? Here we have it from the horses’ mouths, so to speak: the vast majority of women with very small children are, by their own admissions, useless at their jobs. They are “ineffective”. This is not sexism in the workplace, it is down to the sexism of biology: women lactate and men don’t.

The second report cropped up in The Economist. Here we were told the excellent news that women have made startling inroads into three previously male strongholds — law, medicine and the church. More than half of those now called to the bar are women.

Further, more women than men are entering the medical profession (and have been for 10 years or so). Once again, they are doing so on a part-time basis and hence are not receiving quite as much pay as their male counterparts. More than half of all female GPs

work part-time. Ring them at two in the morning with the DTs and you’ll take second place to the baby. The fact that women don’t earn as much as men is seen as a “bad” thing.

So too is the fact that far more women than men work part-time. Yet the individuals and organisations that agitated — bravely and correctly — for maternity leave and the introduction of flexitime, job sharing and term-time working practices (all of which have massive take-up among women and negligible take-up among men) now bemoan the fact that women seem ghettoised in less remunerative part-time work. There is a whiff of having one’s cake and eating it here.

If you enact legislation that makes it easy for one sex not to go to work, without much in the way of penalty, they are likely to take it up. That’s human nature, male or female. However, little such legislation or cultural latitude applies to men. We chaps get two weeks of paternity leave, like it or lump it — and only if we can attest that we are the real fathers (which, at The Spectator magazine, is a perennial problem).

Similarly, we have recently discovered, in The Journal of Human Resources, that the greatest redistribution of wealth since the sale of council houses has been the transfer of vast sums of cash to divorced women. These days, when courts pass judgment in divorce cases, they have in mind the proto-feminist notion that the woman who “sacrifices” her career in order to support her husband has made a 50% economic contribution to the household, regardless of the fact that “progressive” legislation has made it likely that many of them are pursuing their own careers.

Likewise, in custody cases, the mother needs to be a rancid, drug-addled termagant to lose control of her children: this part of the legal system accepts, beyond all doubt, that a child’s place is with his or her mother. In this regard, men are never equal and the mindset of our family courts is yet another moral and economic disincentive to women to compete on an equal footing in the job market. Why bother working when divorce will net you a fortune? Why shun your young child and go off to work when the courts insist that you are their natural care-giver? And the law is probably right, both in divorce and custody cases. But you cannot have it both ways. At the moment, one part of our judicial system and our culture insists that women, effectively, should stay at home and look after the kids. While another — the employment tribunals, the Equal Pay Act — insists that women should be paid the same as men and given the same working opportunities. Woe betide any employer who dares to cavil when the woman goes part-time and turns up to work half wrecked two days a week.

Call it post-feminist male bleating, but this is a dichotomy. Whichever way you look at it: it simply does not add up.

Chocha Monger

06-07-05, 00:52

Oregon Researcher Finds Young Women More Likely to Engage in Interpersonal Aggression than Men

By Brian Carnell

Tuesday, March 15, 2005

Research involving domestic violence has suggested that men and women tend to be equally likely to engage in acts of violence, though due to size and other differences women are more likely to sustain a serious injury from such violence. Deborah Capaldi, a researcher at the Oregon Social Learning Center wanted to study interpersonal violence in a controlled setting and was surprised by the results -- young women in her study were four times more likely to initiate physical aggression such as slapping, poking and kicking.

Capaldi brought young couples in to her lab and gave them problem-solving exercises they had to work together to solve. Capaldi then recorded their behavior and analyzed who initiated physical aggression. She found that women aged 18 years old were four times more likely to initiate aggression than men. This effect gradually went away with age, until 26 when women initiated aggression only slightly more often then men.

Capaldi told The Register-Guard (Oregon),

Who were the primary initiators of such slaps, pokes and kicks? The women. . . . Women engage in aggression and we're not doing them any favors by denying they have any part in it.

According to The Register-Guard, Capaldi was surprised at some of the acts of physical aggression they observed in a laboratory setting,

Capaldi said she and her colleagues expect some verbal arguments but were surprised by the extent of slaps, pokes and kicks as partners discussed such assigned topics as planning a party, where to go on a date, or how to deal with such issues as jealousy and lack of money.

If hit or poked, the men and women were about equally as likely to respond in kind. None of the physical aggression was severe, which researchers would have halted, Capaldi said.

Capaldi's research is scheduled for publication in the Journal of Family Violence.

Finally, The Register-Guard interviewed for its story Margo Schaefer, who runs Womenspace which is a domestic violence shelter. Schaefer told The Register-Guard that there is a difference between men and women when it comes to violence,

The most common cause of injury for women between the ages of 15 and 44 is domestic violence -- you don't see that for men.

The claim that domestic violence is the number one cause of injury for women or some subset of women is one of those myths that simply won't go away. In fact, the number one cause of injury for both men and women are accidental falls. Domestic violence doesn't occupy the second spot either, with that being claimed by automobile accidents. In fact, only about 1 percent of women's injury-related visits to the emergency rooms appear related to assault by a male intimate.

It doesn't benefit anyone to either downplay or exaggerate the extent of domestic violence as Ms. Schaefer and other domestic violence advocates routinely do.

Source:

Fingering the aggressor. Jeff Wright, The Register-Guard, January 29, 2005.

Chocha Monger

06-07-05, 02:05

The term "pussy whipped" can have many connotations but in the USA it increasingly means American women literally whipping men's asses. While women are more likely to be injured in their physical engagements with men, it seems that they are much more likely to have a hankering for a good old brawl. With the size of women increasing steadily, in the future men will probably sustain more injuries as a result of these domestic combat engagements.

It is no secret that men in professions that require the bearing of arms such as law enforcement officers and military personnel often take their blows without retaliation from their loving wives; fighting back can mean the end of their career when the little lady accuses them of beating her. American women know how much leverage domestic violence charges can have against men in a divorce and they are not shy when it comes to using it. It's good to see that research is beginning to shed some light on the dynamics behind the scenes. However, men still face the "wife beater" stereotype in the family courts.

For years women have been kept out of ground combat in the military. Maybe, it's time for the government to reconsider this position. US women are now beefier with greater body mass than previous generations. They are even more aggressive than the average hen-pecked male. The Iraqi prison scandal showed that our women are more than capable at subjugating and breaking male insurgents on a leash. Perhaps we'll actually have a chance of ending that war if we put more women in uniform and send them over there. In no time the other side will be begging for a truce!

The American Amazon may just be the key to protecting this wonderful land. Then we American men can travel the world mongering secure in the knowledge that our women are out there making it a safer place. ;)

CBGBConnisur

06-07-05, 02:11

Marriage is a waste of time, end of story.

ILoveAnalSex

06-07-05, 03:24

Hey fellas,

Check out this story. This poor guy didn’t even get to fuck the ***** & has to shell out $1,500/month. Is this a great country or what? Here’s the link if you want to read the article at the website: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05140/507736.stm

Sperm donor fights order to support 2 children

Friday, May 20, 2005

By Barbara White Stack, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Pennsylvania Supreme Court is weighing a case with the potential to strike fear in the hearts of sperm donors who thought they were getting $50 for their genetic material and nothing more -- certainly no responsibility for babies created with it.
The justices heard arguments this week in a case that forces them to weigh the right of children to financial aid from two parents against the right of men to provide sperm for in-vitro fertilization without the donors being held responsible for any offspring.

"There is a lot of fear surrounding this court case because if the court extends this beyond support, to rights and obligations, then I think it will create a serious chilling effect," said Lawrence Kalikow, a Bucks County lawyer who is an expert in surrogacy, sperm and egg donation cases.

The genesis of the case is a decade-old deal between ex-lovers, Joel L. McKiernan, now of Mt. Lebanon, and Ivonne V. Ferguson, now of New York. He agreed to provide sperm for babies she wanted and she agreed to absolve him of responsibility for their progeny.

Through in-vitro fertilization, she bore twins and raised them alone for five years. Then she sued McKiernan for child support in Dauphin County.

The Common Pleas Court judge there acknowledged that the couple had a binding verbal contract that released McKiernan from the normal responsibilities of fathers. But he decided the contract was invalid because the two had wrongly bargained away rights of the twins, particularly their right to child support from two parents.
Then the court ordered McKiernan to pay $1,500 in support a month. He appealed. Last July Superior Court said the lower court judge was right. That's what got McKiernan before the Supreme Court this week.

There Justice Ronald D. Castille asked Elizabeth A. Hoffman, the Harrisburg lawyer representing Ferguson, whether the court's invalidating the verbal contract between Ferguson and McKiernan would make it difficult for infertile couples to obtain sperm donors.

Hoffman's argument was that anonymous donors to sperm banks wouldn't be affected because their contracts are with the banks, not with the potential mothers.
And she stressed that only cases involving single mothers are relevant because in Pennsylvania children born to married women are assumed to be those of the husband. In those cases, then, the children have two parents to provide support.
At this point, sperm donation centers don't seem to be in panic. One of the largest in the country, Cryobank of California, mentions the Pennsylvania decision on its Web site but assures its donors they're unaffected. California has a law protecting donors from support actions. Pennsylvania does not.

A supervisor at Cryobiology Inc. of Columbus, which has a sperm collection center in Pittsburgh, was unaware of the case as was the executive director of the Reproductive Science Institute with three offices outside Philadelphia.

Both Donna Ridder of Cryobiology and June Amarant of Reproductive Science said they thought their contracts would protect donors.

The lawyer representing McKiernan wasn't so sure. Attorney John W. Purcell Jr., of Harrisburg, said that if a judge decided that a contract between mother and father was invalid because it denied children their rights, it could nullify a contract between a man and a sperm center denying children rights.

And such anonymous donors are traceable. Banks ordered by courts to find and identify donors have the means to do it.

Donors should have some concern, said Erie lawyer Joe Martone, who is handling a case that is the reverse -- an egg donor seeking custody rights to triplets she didn't bear and has never supported.

The vast majority of cases in which children are conceived from donated eggs or sperm work out happily ever after, Martone said.

But if the Supreme Court upholds the lower courts' decisions in this case, Martone said, it's possible that single parents who conceived with donated genetic material will demand the names of the donors and seek support.

He and attorney Kalikow agreed the problem would be resolved if Pennsylvania passes legislation -- as at least a dozen other states have -- regulating sperm and egg donation.

Although this is a Pennsylvania case, it could have repercussions elsewhere, Purcell said. If a bank in California ships sperm to the doctor of a single woman in Pittsburgh, it is conceivable that the Pennsylvania-born child would be covered by the Pennsylvania decision, he said. Or, he said, it's possible a child would be covered if the mother moved to Pennsylvania to deliver.

If the court rules that McKiernan must continue to pay, he said, that could chill donation everywhere.

And that, Kalikow said, would hurt infertile couples. "If donors don't want to donate, then intended parents have that option foreclosed."

Both he and Percell said there is an example in Pennsylvania law that would enable the Supreme Court to release sperm donors of obligations to be the second parent to children born to single mothers.

In cases of abused or neglected children, it is fairly common now for courts to terminate the rights of both parents then permit one person, usually an unmarried or widowed foster parent, to adopt. That action leaves the child without two parents to support him.

(Barbara White Stack can be reached at 412-263-1878.)

Chocha Monger

06-07-05, 04:23

Marriage is a waste of time, end of story.

CBGB,

I know that you have a 90 day limit when it comes to relationships with women. I myself have found that I need some personal time after 180 days of contact, if the woman in question is from the US or Western Europe my survival time falls to 180 minutes. If I can take care of business in less time then I'm out of there.

However, does your view on marriage include Latin America and Asia?

Dickhead

06-07-05, 05:21

Let me comment on marriage in Latin America. In México, getting formally married is a huge big deal and in my experience very important to the woman. In Argentina, people often say they are married when they are merely living together, and even if they do get legally married, often when they separate they do not bother to get legally divorced. Formal marriage and divorce are viewed by many as a waste of money that could otherwise be spent on soccer or movie tickets, or wine, or a good steak.

In Bolivia they have trial marriage. They live together for one year and at the end of the year if the man is not satisfied with the arrangement, he can cut her loose even if she is pregnant or they already have a child. The woman has no such option. No, I do not think this is right. If they decide to stay together there is a second ceremony where all the townspeople gather and throw rocks at them, the idea being that if they can endure being stoned they can endure marriage. NO, not that kind of "being stoned" you leftover 60s acid casualty burn out.

Anyway, my overall point is that you cannot generalize about marriage over a region comprising many countries and two continents. It is specific to the norms of more localized societies.

BTW my current favorite prostitute here in Argentina is married (she is from Paraguay and he is from Argentina) and she says he knows what she does and does not care. He often waits in a local coffee shop while I fuck his wife. A year or two ago this would have bothered me but now it does not.

Ferdinand of Aragón and Isabella of Castille married at their parents' behest to unite Spain and proceeded to cheat on each other from day one so if a person were to generalize one could say that model has been very popular in the former Spanish colonies for a very long time.

Chocha Monger

06-08-05, 05:36

ILAS,

An American woman couldn't afford to purchase my leche for in vitro fertilization because she'd have to pay an amount equal to the cost of raising any potential offspring to adulthood per individual sperm. What kind of moron sells off his leche for a paltry $50 anyway? That is barely a tank of gasoline these days. A man's love [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in this country is a WMFD (Weapon of Mass Financial Destruction). It should be handled with great care under the most stringent security measures. Giving your leche to American women is the equivalent of letting the terrorist have nukes because they promised not to use them against us.

I have had solicitations for the donation of my precious leche. The woman involved was willing to have a lawyer of my choice draft up an agreement absolving me of any liability concerning the use of the material. Needless to say, I passed on the offer. I'd rather squander my leche in squalid foreign locales while facing the dangers of death and disease. As far as I'm concerned the risks pale in comparison to what I would face back home in the good old USA.

Belgrath

06-08-05, 07:52

I guess some women are genetically adverse to sex... would explain things.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/science/20050607-1127-orgasm-genes.html

By Emma Ross
ASSOCIATED PRESS

11:27 a.m. June 7, 2005

LONDON – A woman's ability to have an orgasm is at least partly determined by her genes and can't be blamed entirely on cultural influences, new research suggests.

Experts say that's likely to be interpreted as both good and bad news.

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"It'll be upsetting because some women will think, 'Oh my God, maybe I just can't.' On the other hand it takes away a kind of guilt or pressure," said Dr. Virginia Sadock, director of the human sexuality program at New York University Medical Center.

Either way, specialists say the findings don't mean women who inherit an unfortunate gene package are doomed. They just mean that more work, or patience, is required.

The main benefit of discovering the genetic elements of sexual function, experts say, is to help scientists find better treatments for sexual problems. The study was reported this week in Biology Letters, a journal of the Royal Society, Britain's independent academy of science.

In the study, scientists from St. Thomas' Hospital in London sent questionnaires to 4,037 women who are part of the British twin registry. About half of them were identical twins and half were non-identical twins.

One in three of the women reported never or hardly ever reaching orgasm during intercourse and 21 percent said they hardly, if ever, achieve climax during masturbation. Those figures are consistent with other surveys conducted over the last few decades.

However, the questionnaires revealed a significant genetic influence on the ability to reach orgasm, said lead researcher Tim Spector, a genetic epidemiologist at St. Thomas' Hospital.

The similarity in orgasm experience was greater in identical twins than it was in non-identical twins, Spector said. Because the only difference between the two groups was genetic, the researchers concluded that the gap between the groups was the genetic component.

After taking into account other factors that could influence orgasm, the scientists estimated that 34 percent of the difficulty women face in reaching orgasm during intercourse is due to genes.

Problems in sexual response during masturbation seemed to be more genetically influenced than orgasm ability during intercourse. The study found that 45 percent of the difficulty women have in climaxing during masturbation can be attributed to genetic makeup.

The results were similar to those of a study on Australian twins published earlier this year.

The idea that orgasm ability has a genetic component makes sense, said female orgasm expert Laura Berman, a professor at the Feinberg School of Medicine at Northwestern University in Evanston, Ill.

"A lot of the women that I treat will tell me that when they talk to their siblings or mothers they very often have similar challenges," said Berman, who was not involved with the study. "One could make the case that it's nurture, not nature because these twins were brought up together, but you can't rule out the genetic argument."

But Spector said effects of the twins' shared environmental influences did not alter the study results significantly.

Even if women do inherit an unfavorable genetic mix, as with many other conditions, it does not mean they are doomed, experts said. Many approaches can help most women enhance their ability to achieve orgasm.

"Factors influencing the ability to (reach) orgasm vary from woman to woman. What we do know is that psychologically women are more complex sexually," Sadock said. "For women, being in a relationship where they feel loved and feel secure, is a big factor. Other big factors are how they feel about themselves and about sex and what their first experiences were."

"Maybe there are some women ... who can never. That is a possibility, but that would be a small amount," Sadock said.

And even if they can't, that doesn't mean there's no joy for them in sex, Berman added. A survey she recently conducted found that among women enjoying satisfying sex lives, orgasm did not rate as a key element for fulfillment.

ILoveAnalSex

06-08-05, 16:45

You’re correct, $50.00 is not much money at all, but in the case of the Pennsylvania guy, I don’t think money had anything to do with it. The guy seems pretty well off (not many people pay $1500/month child support for 2 kids).

I envision a scenario where this single girl wanted to have kids, knew the guy already but wasn’t involved with him (hence the in-vitro fertilization), and asked the guy for his sperm. The guy probably said yes figuring that he’d be doing a nice thing for this lady, especially since he already knew her. I’m sure many sperm, egg, blood, or any other type of donor feels that they are performing a humanitarian act when they give of themselves.

The sad part is that she turned on him years later & sued him in court for child support. This wasn’t a guy who fucked her then ran off. She was impregnated through in-vitro fertilization!

I thought the dumbest case I’d ever heard before was when the lady sued McDonald’s after she placed the coffee between her legs & drove off, spilling the coffee & burning herself. I was wrong; this case takes the cake. Cases like these perpetuate the notion that American Women do not have to take responsibility for any of their actions. What’s next, adoptive mothers suing biological parents for child support?

Choca Monger, I know you don’t donate sperm in the first place, neither do I, but unfortunately, genuine people everywhere will probably stop donating anything anymore for fear that they may be liable in the future should the donor become dissatisfied with the donation.

CBGBConnisur

06-09-05, 02:29

I once went out with an Eastern European girl, and we got into an argument on vacation, because she wanted me not to spend too much on her. I wanted to stay at a nicer hotel, and she chided me that I should save the money and stay someplace cheaper. You will hear the exact opposite from an American woman, most of them would argue with me for not spending more money on her.

Chocha Monger

06-09-05, 03:08

ILAS,

In America the fastest way to get your ass sued is through good intentions. I agree with you that this poor sap thought that he was helping that poor single unattractive AW and that she would be forever grateful to him for donating his gunk. Well he helped her alright, he helped her right into his bank account for the next decade and a half at least.

What I don't understand is the grounds for her dissatisfaction with his donation. The product functioned exactly as intended. She used it of her own free will to produce children which cost a lot of money to maintain. What did she think having kids was about? I don't find it amazing either that she sued for child support a few years later just as the cute baby phase came to an end. I guess if you donate a car you can be sued for the cost of the fuel, oil and tires needed to keep it running.

I actually met a guy several years ago who entered into one of those deals with a single AW who was rapidly approaching 40 yrs of age. In other words she was well into old maid country. Anyway, he never poked her; he just donated his sperm. There should have been several warning signs for him. She insisted on using his sperm instead of an anonymous donor; she wanted any resulting kids to know their father. Well, after she finally got pregnant she played on this guy's emotions and got him go to her prenatal appointments to see the kid on sonogram. The next thing you know he was there for the birth too because he had good intentions and couldn't leave a single woman to go through that on her own. Eventually she would leave the baby to spend time with him, and so he progressed slowly from donor to father. Once he was attached to the kid she started disrupting his relationships with other women. I don't know how it all finally ended but his "son's mother" was gaining more and more control over his life with each passing day. It was always interesting to see this guy in his early 20's explaining his relationship with this older woman to hot young chicks.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that single women who chose a "friend" to be a sperm donor sometimes do so because they secretly want more with that particular person, or they expect help financial or otherwise. They really don't want a donor, they want a father.

In general, while American women love kids, big houses in the suburbs and SUVs more often than not they expect a man to pay for it all.

Domino

06-09-05, 03:15

If your sperm helps to make a baby, you should support that baby. Sure, some women want stringless babies and will trick a sucker into filling her belly. But child support in those cases is the price to be paid. I have known far too many prostitutes in Thailand and other cess pits who have been abandoned by the men who impregnated them, leaving them to literally hold the baby. I think you guys have two major issues:
1. you reduce everything to your control of your checkbook which is selfish and not very romantic.
2. you do not appreciate the good points many AW have and, having been burnt, you dare not sip from the chalice of love again.

Hardbarg

06-09-05, 06:56

Domino:

Please define romance for us neanderthals.

Daddy Rulz

06-09-05, 08:23

After reading the bizzare war he was having on the Thai board I've come to this conclusion. He needs to be ignored. He will take a contrarian position no matter what's posted. If AW are so great why is he all about the Thai board. This will be the last post I respond to anything He has to say.

I wish there was a way to mute people so I couldn't even see their posts. If there is and I don't know about it somebody please enlighten me.

ILAS, I used to feel the same way as you did about the McDonalds/Coffee thing until I talked to a friend that studied that case in law school. Seems there was a shitload of people involved as it was a class action thing and a lot of people actually lost their genitalia due to a defective cup and coffee that was hot enough to actually burn through skin.

As far as the guy that got sued for child support. Only in America when it is an AW with her hand out. We as a people are incapable of forcing THEM to be responsible for THEIR decisions. Somebody always has to bail them out when they are over their heads due to their own failure to anticipate the results of their decisions. I'm still reeling about the guys here in Texas that the courts will not release from their child support orders even AFTER dna proves them to not be the Fathers. Seems AWs can even lie about fucking around and still make a man pay.

Domino

06-09-05, 08:44

DR: Here is the McD coffee case.details http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1287038/posts
The problem with this thread is you can only see with one eye. I have always been polite here but you refuse to even contemplate that there might be another side and so you lump all AW in together.. That, my friend, is very much your problem and not mine. Think about it: you just want posts here to confirm your own prejudices. I personally found the contrary cases others posted to be of interest. The rest I find irritatingly boring.

Hardbarg and other wanna be modern men: Women are looking for something else, not someone with a checkbook though that is important. They want someone to uplift them, weep them off their feet. As they get older, they want someone to gently lift them, to sing their way into their hearts.
It is interesting to compare this thread to the Japan_Nampa thread where the emphasis in on seducing one's way into their panties. The Japanese women they are nampa_ing are, by American standards, very repressed.

Anyway, that new thread is coming along nicely.

Dickhead

06-09-05, 08:58

Domino must have his balls in a vise to write the shit he has been writing lately. I liked Skinless much better. But for sure this idiot that Choca Monger is writing about had his balls in one. Imagine: all the duties of fatherhood without ever any pussy.

After leaving the US, I now have all the pussy I want without any duties whatsoever, and it is highly affordable as well.

Domino

06-09-05, 09:06

dickhead

after attacking my spanish, what shit are you talking about? i do not think it serves anyone's interests to constantly attack a group of people, aw in this case. if guys here want a 12 step recovery program ok but opinions are like nipples, everyone has one or more.
on the specific subject of being pussy whipped: one guy on the indonesian board seems set for that and another on the thai board allows his hooker gf to confirep001e his phone, camera and more. i couldn't even make up shit like that. but shit like that interests me and also serves as a red flag.
the new thai thread, which is proving popular (more popular than that shit in the phil section anyway) is not serious. it is a joke, a waste of bandwidth like so much more but a joke like so much more.
now i will go back to my new sandbox and wish you all the best of luck in this one.

Hardbarg

06-09-05, 09:21

Domino:

I'd appreciate it if you would refrain from trying to insult me ("a wanna be modern man"), especially in the same post where you claim you "have always been polite here".

Now please describe the woman's contribution in this romantic world you envision.

Mike12

06-09-05, 09:26

One of our fellow mongers is locked up till the end of the year thanks to a charge brought up by his ex wife. Maybe he missed his child support payment, pissed her off somehow, or didnt do her bidding fast enough. She's a real sawed off ***** on the reel, I know firsthand. Anyways He has no credit cards or bank account since she gets all his dough for the 10yo.

Another dude used to work as a security guard in my building and his babys mother cut through one day to get to the next street. She had a few words with him and he ended up quitting after his shift as he was gonna get his check garnished. He was working 2 or 3 jobs anyhow to keep up.

Domino

06-09-05, 09:29

Domino: Please define romance for us neanderthals.
You call yourself a neanderthal. so I call you a wanna be modern man, ie a neanderthal trying to come into the modern world. Sorry this offends you. The trick with women is to listen to them, to show you care, or at least to pretend. Now, my sandbox awaits.
Good luck gentlemen and may all your Christmases be white.

Hardbarg

06-09-05, 10:15

Answer the question.

ILoveAnalSex

06-09-05, 13:48

Check this out:

A technique for recovery of eggs from the ovary is described below. It uses a sonographically-guided needle to replace the surgical procedure which previously was used to recover oocytes (eggs). This procedure, called Transvaginal Oocyte Retrieval, requires neither hospitalization nor general anesthesia.

In order to prepare a proper environment in the woman and to increase the chances of recovering several healthy and mature eggs, the woman will undergo about two weeks of intensive preparation. This will include hormonal therapy with "fertility drugs." Blood tests and ultrasound scans of the ovaries are used to determine the optimal time to retrieve the eggs from the ovary. This optimal time is just before ovulation when the oocytes are almost ready for fertilization.

At the proper time, an outpatient procedure under local anesthesia will allow the female's eggs to be visualized by ultrasound and retrieved from the ovary by placing a needle through the vaginal wall. The mild discomfort that the patient feels has been described as similar to a Pap smear or endometrial biopsy. After a short rest, the patient will be able to go home and resume normal activities.

The fluid from the follicles is examined under the microscope by the embryologist, who locates the eggs and keeps them in the laboratory under physiologic conditions. The embryologist will place the sperm with the eggs when they are ready for fertilization. Usually, the eggs will develop into cleaving pre-embryos, whose cells divide 2 or 3 times to become preimplantation embryos (pre-embryos). They are maintained in laboratory dishes, in a nutrient mixture which acts as a substitute for the environment that would otherwise have been provided by the fallopian tubes.
Using a special catheter, the couple's pre-embryos will be passed through the vagina and into the uterus at the time the pre-embryos would normally have reached the uterus (2+ days after retrieval).

After the pre-embryo placement in the uterus, the patient will lie quietly in a bed for about an hour, and then will return home.

Here’s the link to the original website if you want to check it out for yourself: http://www.ivf.com/ivffaq.html

Now Domino, how can you compare a prostitute in Thailand who has been impregnated & abandoned by her trick to an AW who goes through the process of in-vitro fertilization? We are talking about a woman, an American Woman mind you, that sought out the services of a fertility clinic so that she could become impregnated, not a woman who picked up a guy at a bar & had unprotected sex. Obviously, any single woman who employs a third party fertility specialist & endures this process does so with the intention of raising the baby alone. No one here is arguing against child support, but for this single woman to then sue this guy who was doing this woman a favor is just plain WRONG. What next, single or recently divorced women will decide to sue the biological parents for children they adopted?

Domino, I know you believe that AW can do no wrong, but there is no way you can justify this type of behavior, nor can you disagree that this behavior perpetuates the attitude that women should not be responsible for their decisions. However, I have a sneaky suspicion that you will try to, & I eagerly await your defense my friend.

Maybe we should outlaw in-vitro fertilization for single women; now that would go over well with the feminist movement! In the Old Testament, a woman is not allowed to enter an agreement with anyone without validation from her father or her husband (unless she is a widow). If she does, it may be canceled by her father / husband. Maybe the old Hebrews had it right, but I bet this idea wouldn’t go over well with the feminist movement either.

Chocha Monger is correct. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, & lined with AW.

ILAS

American Women Suck – and they know it.

ILoveAnalSex

06-09-05, 13:58

Daddy Rulz & Domino:

I did not know the details of the McDonald’s case. All I knew was that a woman spilled coffee in her lap (Hell, I do that all the time)

I looked at the posted McD. link, & now my opinion has changed regarding that case. Thank you guys for enlightening me.

See Domino, I can admit when I’m wrong & change my opinion.

ILAS

American Women Suck – I have not changed my opinion on that.

Daddy Rulz

06-09-05, 17:50

I owe you 1/4 of a BBBJ from the provider of your choice. I just discovered the freaking ignore list. It's so cool! Now whenever the pizza guy posts it say "this post hidden" I love it! Is there also a hidden spell check I don't know about?

So now we can get back to the serious business of telling the world why AW suck, instead of responding to the horseshit of a 16 year old hunched over his keyboard hoping his Mom doesn't walk in and see "*************" at the top of the page. Break out the Brahmas!

CBGBConnisur

06-09-05, 18:11

A very famous pornographer once said its better to visit a prostitute for sex than get married to an American woman, he mentioned its a lot cheaper and less stressful. I totally agree, anyone considering marrying an American woman or who considers her desirable knowing that there is a world of alternatives available outside the US is a fool. Still around the world, in places where the average lady is gorgeous, some idiots still think AWs are appealing, the reason? They watch TV and see movies, so they think the typical American woman looks like Angelina Jolie.

Sporadic

06-09-05, 18:32

CBGB,

If you want to discuss all the baggage that AW carry, and the sh*t that the typical AM puts up with vice our brethren overseas, more power to you.

Sadly, in my experience, fugly women, and men for that matter, exist everywhere. It is not a geographical problem. It is the gene pool.

You want fair haired? Try Finland. Dark and dusky? Try S. America or Uzbekistan.

Attitude, Sir. Attitude and cultural programming are the real difference IMHO.

Cheers,

Sporadic

ILoveAnalSex

06-09-05, 19:32

Here's the link:
http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/news/state/11715725.htm
Posted on Mon, May. 23, 2005

State high court set to weigh gay parents' post-split rights

By Howard Mintz

KNIGHT RIDDER

It would seem to be the most ordinary of family court conflicts -- two people in love who decide to have a child, split and then find themselves at war over parental power.

But mix into that equation the difficulty of applying long-standing family laws to same-sex relationships and artificial reproductive technologies, and the result is California's latest legal standoff over gay rights.

With the parental rights of thousands of same-sex couples at stake, the state Supreme Court on Tuesday will consider three custody and child support cases involving lesbian partners who agreed to bear children through sperm and egg donors and then later broke up. The cases give the justices another opportunity to shed light on how they will deal with the civil rights of gay couples as a legal challenge over a state ban on same-sex marriage bears down on the court's docket.

Even with the state's new domestic partnership law establishing firmer rights for gay couples and recent court rulings allowing second-parent adoptions, the Supreme Court's ruling is expected to be crucial for many same-sex couples with children.

"You are going to have people that don't register as domestic partners, just as you have people who don't get married," said San Francisco lawyer Jill Hersh, who represents a Marin County woman seeking to gain parental rights in a case against her former partner. "That's as old as the ages."

The three cases present very different factual scenarios that force the Supreme Court to balance the rights of biological mothers against partners who can stake a claim to parent status because of their bond with the children.

Medical advances further muddy the waters on the traditional definition of parent. For instance, two women can become mothers of a child by one partner donating eggs to the other. By using a surrogate mother and artificial insemination, two men can become parents together.

The appeals courts have been divided on how to proceed, but the Los Angeles-based Second District issued an unprecedented ruling last year finding that a nonbirth mother in a same-sex relationship could have equal parenting rights.

In that case, Lisa Ann is arguing she should have parenting rights equal to those of Kristine Renee, who bore a child through artificial insemination during their 10-year relationship. In the Marin County case, K.M., who donated her eggs to her lesbian partner, E.G., argues that she should be legally recognized as a parent, despite signing a routine form that relinquished her parenting rights when she provided the eggs. The couple raised twin girls together for more than five years before splitting in 2002.

The third case pits Emily B., an El Dorado County woman who bore twins through artificial insemination, against her former partner, Elisa Maria B., who left her partner when the children were 2 years old. Emily, who is backed in the case by Attorney General Bill Lockyer, is seeking child support payments from Elisa, who she argues was committed to raising a family before leaving and is now the equivalent of a deadbeat dad.

"Deadbeat parents are not exclusive to heterosexuals," Emily said in an interview last week.

Since the split with Elisa, Emily has been unable to spend time with Elisa's son, whom she helped parent during their relationship. Emily said she sides with the nonbiological parents in the other two cases who are seeking equal parenting rights.

"Both of them are parents," she said. "They held themselves out to be a family unit. I know what it's like to lose a child."

Elisa's lawyers could not be reached for comment. But in court papers, they argue that there is no basis in current law to force a nonbiological partner in a same-sex relationship to support a child if he or she hadn't adopted the child.

As with the child support issue, the Supreme Court must take laws that have been crafted for heterosexual couples and figure out how they apply to same-sex relationships and the evolving world of sperm and egg donors. For example, under current law, a man is the presumed father if he "receives the child into his home and openly holds the child out as his natural child."

The justices will rule on whether that provision applies to a birth mother's lesbian partner.

In the Los Angeles case, Kristine argues that she has as much right to terminate her partner's role in raising her child as a mother who breaks up with a long-term boyfriend who was not the biological father of her child. Liberty Counsel, a conservative religious organization, has sided with the arguments of biological mothers like Kristine, urging the Supreme Court to reject the arguments of same-sex partners who don't adopt.

But in court papers, lawyers for Lisa Ann say Kristine's position deprives their child, Lauren, of a true parent because Lisa Ann had been identified as a co-parent on everything from birth announcements to financial matters. "This is Lauren's case," Lisa Ann urged the court. "Lauren has two mothers."

K.M., the Marin County woman who donated her eggs to her former partner, E.G., shares the same view as Lisa Ann, although K.M. stakes an additional claim that she has a biological link to their twin daughters. E.G. was infertile, so K.M. donated the eggs and the twins were conceived through artificial insemination.

In a 2003 interview, K.M. told the San Jose Mercury News: "We always knew we would be parenting together. Never, ever, ever would I have dreamed that something like this was possible."

But E.G. argues that it was clear that she would be the sole parent of any child born from the donated eggs. Diana Richmond, E.G.'s attorney, said the subsequent relationship between the women doesn't outweigh the birth mother's right to control custody of her children.

"I think all three cases present parallel issues that give the court a good opportunity to make a consistent standard," Richmond said. "It's going to be a much clearer and familiar atmosphere for same-sex parents to establish parentage, however the court decides these issues."
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I think it was easier when the stork delivered babies.

-ILAS

CBGBConnisur

06-09-05, 22:23

Walking down a street in a Southern European country, and seeing all the gorgeous women walking around, some locals were curious about the US, New York in particular. I told them the best New York women weren't equal to the the middle 50th of what I saw in this sun drenched town in Spain.

Sporadic

06-10-05, 09:14

CBGB,

I appreciate that this is generalizing, but IMHO the actual percentages of good looking to poor lookers is about the same worldwide, depending of course on your personal likes and dislikes.

You might like Dyevs, but there are some really ugly slavic women. You might like Italians, but I have seen plenty of honkers there as well.

As for "Spanish women" they run the gamut from dark, dusky gypsy types, to lily white, blonde, blue eyed Galicians, and everything in-between.

I will grant you that if you have spent your whole life looking at Cinnabon-enhanced fat assed American princess´ the ladies in Europe or elsewhere might just turn your head.

I still maintain that the attitudes are what really distinguish non-AW.

Cheers,

Sporadic

Mike12

06-10-05, 10:32

One good thing about American woman is that they come in all nationalities and colors. The average AW that we all hate on isn't blonde and blue eyed and talks in a gum chewing valley girl accent. I have seen china dolls and little miss Moscows that opened their mouth and start talking in braying superior tones and you know they have been indoctrinated/acclimated to the AW way of things. As a man you just get turned off real quickly. Niceness, female grace, and class are lacking here and in abundance outside US borders.

Now with that being said some issues come to mind. Foreign chicks are very appealing as they retain that class and dignity that AW's don't know anything about since the MTV era portrays it as not cool. Cursing, celebrityism, and materialism are the main values here. On the streets of NYC chicks learn quick to not smile and be as unfeminine as possible. The ***** shield is in full effect. As a man you dont exist here often. There has been times when I got looks that would freeze my blood just for tilting my head. One guy I know from Albania remarked on woman being so unwomanly here and made the observation that "all the woman here think men want to bang them and hate us for it".

CBGBConnisur

06-10-05, 13:38

Attitude and culture are important factors in a woman's behavior. American and British women tend to be materialistic, status climbing, and superficial. Australian women are different(even though their culture is similar to America/Great Britain), most are down to earth and outgoing, they want to know what type of person you are rather than what you do for a living. A lot of women in different countries vary in their attitude. There are plenty of Asian women who are as obsessed with money and status as Americans and British. I live in New York, which has a large Asian population, mostly Korean and Chinese, and most of the Asian women of Korean and Chinese origin I knew always went after money(Thai and SE Asians were a lot different from their Northern counterparts). Someone I knew from Turkey said the same of beautiful Turkish women, they go after money. The biggest bit*ch I ever met actually came from Hong Kong, an Indian woman whose parents lived in HK, she immigrated to the US and became an American citizen, she was one of the most shallow people I ever met. German women, coming from a country that makes $100,000 cars, tend to be the least materialistic of all European women, which is kind of ironic considering Germany's affluence.

Joe Zop

06-10-05, 15:05

(Thai and SE Asians were a lot different from their Northern counterparts)

In Thailand and SE Asia there is a TON of emphasis on money -- this is one of the flaws of your analysis, and it's why I agree with Sporadic that it's absolutely attitude that counts most. And money given to them equates to increased face and to social status, so the idea that women there somehow not about social climbing while Americans and Brits are is hooey. Yes, Thai and SE Asian women there will absolutely turn your head with attention, pampering, total focus on your needs, etc., but saying they're not interested in/focused on your money is beyond ridiculous -- everything there is all about support of the family, with family being defined as anyone even loosely related, and to keep the affection coming the money has to keep flowing (and I'm not talking just about P4P scenarios.) "Love" and the slaving attention to your needs that blows western guys away and makes them lose their heads is very directly connected to monetary support, and a lack of money winding to the family is seen as evidence of lack of a guy's true affection.

And the truth is, most guys here are every bit as shallow and bad as the women they criticize in terms of being focused on the almighty dollar. They just object to the idea that they would have to part with some portion more than they want in order to get laid, despite the fact that most aren't anywhere near as "hot" as they expect their women to be, and their attitudes are anything but endearing or respectful. If all you want to bring to the table is your dick and your sense that women are there only to serve your needs then that dick damn well better be liberally wrapped in cash.

ILoveAnalSex

06-10-05, 16:07

I have a question for you, Joe. Consider this scenario between Airline ABC & Airline XYZ.

Airline ABC charges $430 round trip from NY to LA on a 17 year old airplane, does not provide an in-flight meal, & makes you pay for head phones so that you can listen to the in-flight movie.

Airline XYZ charges $325 round trip from NY to LA on a 4 year old airplane, provides an in-flight meal, & has 35-station satellite TV in the seat directly in front of you so you can watch whatever you want to, including complementary headphones.

My question is in your opinion, which Airline would be the wiser choice? I’m going to go out on a limb & say that you will choose Airline XYZ because it’s a better value for the service provided.

Now consider the following comparison:

Scenario #1 - The expense, social expectations, legal ramifications & the return on investment associated with dating AW.

Scenario #2 - The expense, social expectations, legal ramifications & the return on investment associated with dating foreign women.

I'm sure most people here know that money is involved in any relationship with any woman, American or foreign. We're mongers, & for most of us that is why we choose to be mongers in the first place. But, according to your statement in post #2455:

…Thai and SE Asian women there will absolutely turn your head with attention, pampering, total focus on your needs, etc.… "Love" and the slaving attention to your needs that blows western guys away and makes them lose their heads is very directly connected to monetary support…

I’ve only been to Japan, which is more expensive than the US. But from what I read in traditional publications, as well as the postings on this board, I gather that many other Asian countries are dirt cheap compared to the US.

So if a man would be wiser for choosing one airline over another because that airline provides better service for a cheaper price, wouldn’t that same man be wiser for choosing one woman over another, foreign or domestic, who offers better service for a cheaper price?

AW want value; most of them love to take advantage of sales discounts. So what’s wrong with a man wanting to get a sales discount on the pussy? I think to do so is the stamp of a wise & prudent fellow.

ILAS

American Women Suck – now & forever

Dickhead

06-10-05, 17:34

I have been to 29 countries and fucked women from 26 countries that I know of and Paraguayan women overall are the best fucks I have found. That has nothing to do with the subject at hand but I wanted to give them the credit they deserve. Méxican women can be super good but the median or average is not that high. Chileans are very good based on a relatively small sample size of six.

British women are the worst fucks I have found. This is merely my own personal opinion based on my own experience which is somewhat extensive (and was somewhat expensive as well).

Sinanju Master

06-10-05, 21:38

1. you reduce everything to your control of your checkbook which is selfish and not very romantic.
2. you do not appreciate the good points many AW have and, having been burnt, you dare not sip from the chalice of love again.

Point 1] If I DON'T pay attention to my checkbook SHE will certainly do so FOR ME, thereby draining me dry in order for me to finance her trysts with other guys and shopping trips and whatnot.

Point 2] WHAT GOOD POINTS? So many times I've listened to female friends and acquaintances who bitched about their men, but when I observed them in the company of other friends WITHOUT their S.O. present, I got the true story. It all boils down to wanting to be in the position of power to get her way and HER WAY ONLY.

My best friend, whom I love dearly, cheated on her hubby. Granted, he was an emotional clam, but she cheated on him in less than two years of marriage! She finally left him after about 4-5 years. She was (and still is) very materialistic, always occupied with the material things hubby bought her. If she wasn't doing THAT, she was planning on getting him to loosen his wallet to get her MORE STUFF. I have NEVER heard a woman say what she did or would do for her S.O., as if that was something a man is supposed to do for a woman. In that case, what is NOT said reveals a woman's nature. I'll be DAMNED if I feed her my innermost emotions into what would amount to a botomless black hole, never to be rewarded for my effort. I refuse to drink from a poisoned chalice....

CBGBConnisur

06-11-05, 01:03

Joe, I live in Sydney Australia. Sydney has a sizeable Asian population, there are many people from different Asian countries that in this city. I know a lot of women from Southeast Asia and I have found them to be very approachable and much nicer than women who come from the more wealthier Asian countries like Japan and South Korea. I am not wealthy in anyway, I consider myself to earn an average income, I consider myself fairly good looking and athletic but was never good with money. Compared to women from the more affluent Asian countries like Japan and South Korea, I thought the Southeast Asian women I met were a lot less arrrogant and status oriented at least IMHO. There are large numbers of women from Thailand, Vietnam, Burma, Malaysia, Indonesia, and the Phillipines living in my area of Sydney. Women from Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and S. Korea almost always have boyfriends(who are also Asian) who drive BMWs and Benzes(which cost over $100K in Ozzie twice what they cost in America) who have bottomless bank accounts. The SE Asian women aren't as stuck up as the Korean and Japanese women I have met, the latter tend to be very affluent. In fact if I compare an Australian woman of European/Anglo-Celtic origin, they are far more approachable than some of the Japanese and Korean ladies who are really stuck up nose in the air types, they are also racist as hell, a African American friend of mine got some really unfriendly looks in a Japanese restaurant where we had dinner, when we went to a Vietnamese place the waitresses there treated him with respect.

Joe Zop

06-11-05, 07:11

I don't disagree that there's a lesser amount of arrogance from SE Asian women, but that still doesn't mean that money isn't an important issue and consideration for them. Of course, when you consider general economics, wealth is a very relative thing -- life is far cheaper in SE Asia than in Japan or Korea, so it doesn't take much in a western context to provide for a family. Saying it doesn't take as much to make them happy is different from saying it's not an issue. I also agree that there's a lot more xenophobia from the north, but again, it's relative -- Thais, for example, take the issue of who is and isn't Thai very seriously (you can't become a citizen unless you can prove you've got Thai DNA.) The racism thing regarding dark skin is also something you can find often and easily in SE Asia; it simply manifests itself differently, as the cultures have a more ingrained sense of not wanting to give offense.

And I absolutely loved the Asian influence I found in Sydney (spent a lot of time in the Garden of Friendship while I was there, for example) with its lovely amalgam and mix, but it is a bit different than being in the cultures directly. I'm also with you as far as Aussie women go, as I enjoyed them immensely.

ILoveAnalSex

06-11-05, 13:11

One guy I know from Albania remarked on woman being so unwomanly here and made the observation that "all the woman here think men want to bang them and hate us for it".It is iteresting that you say that because I have a lot of Hispanic & Haitian friends (I live in SE Florida) who are always telling me about how great their women are. They love the US because of the economic opportunities, & they have plenty of male American friends, but they do not like AW at all. They are always telling me, "you need to get yourself a Hispanic girl/Haitian girl. They will take good care of you".

I know that Americans tend to be insular & arrogant in our thinking, so it is necessary sometimes to obtain an outsider's perspective. And since the immigrants have first-hand experience with both countries, I tend to lend more weight to their comparisons. Funny thing is, when immigrants make the comparison between AW & the women from their country of origin, immigrants make the same observations about AW that I have made, letting me know that it's not just me.

It seems that once the immigrants arrive in the US, they still want the American dream, but not the American woman.

ILAS

American Women Suck - the whole world knows it

Dickhead

06-12-05, 01:57

"One good thing about American woman is that they come in all nationalities"

Umm, no, by definition.

Dran Reb

06-12-05, 18:34

Not sure if this clip was seen yet but I found it intesting how the American guy said his Columbian wife became "Americanized". I guess you American guys do speak some fact here.

http://www.latinlifemates.com/fox-tv-special.asp

ILoveAnalSex

06-12-05, 20:26

Thanks for posting that video clip. I found it to very insightful.

Isn’t it amazing that today there is an industry which profits from sending American men to other countries just so they can find a decent woman to marry? There is no way in hell a business like this would have gotten off the ground back during the President Eisenhower era; men would have laughed at you. How times have changed.

ILAS

Sinanju Master

06-13-05, 00:39

That video clip was very interesting. I was surprised, however that the guy was once married to a Colombian chick who became Americanized. I wonder if he thinks his next choice isn't susceptible to the phenomenon of "Americanization". My heart goes out to him, though...

CBGBConnisur

06-13-05, 14:53

Most of the "Dating Services" I have seen are all scams, honestly, its not difficult to meet wonderful women in foreign countries, and getting a phone number from a woman is as easy as simply asking for it. There are many venues where you can meet women. In Europe, I have met a lot of ladies just simply walking the streets, women aren't afraid to approach you and vice versa, a lot of European women aren't neccesarily ready to jump on you to get a VISA to the US because the living standard, at least in Western Europe, is comparable to the US. The situation maybe different in the EE/CIS countries, but even many Eastern European women I have met don't have a desire to leave home, particularly those from the Czech Republic and Hungary, which are the more modern of Eastern European countries.

Rock Dog

06-14-05, 00:39

Greetings all,

Not all dating services are a scam. I joined one a little over a year ago and was able to make contacts with a good number of super-hot girls.

Some of them were scammers and visa-hunters, to be sure. But, there were lot's of them that seemed to be on the level. The site had a chat feature and I would often be able to chat with any number of attractive young women.

It was such a good experience that I eventually went to visit one of these girls in her own country. It wasn't easy to decide where to go because I had 3 really good ones to choose from. The girl I met exceeded my expectations in pretty much every way imaginable, so I'd have to say it was worth the trip.

I seriously doubt that I could get with this level of woman here. A dating service isn't the only way to go, but it can give you a chance. That's way better than the chance you have of finding a good looking cheerful and trustworthy woman here at home.

Rock

ps. I liked her so much I married her.
pps. She's living here with me now, things are going very well and that's the
reason why I haven't been posting much lately.

Dickhead

06-14-05, 06:15

American women just are not orgasmic enough. You have to all but paint them green. Maybe they are hung up from religion. Maybe they don't masturbate enough. Maybe they are so fat their clitorises become hidden. Maybe many American men are inept so they don't get into the habit of coming. All I know is my techniques and procedures haven't changed and the percentage of my bed partners who obviously orgasm has increased dramatically. Also simultaneous or near simultaneous (mutual) orgasms are much more frequent. And no, they aren't faking (not to say that women here never fake cuz they do but I know the difference) cuz spasms and fluids don't lie.

But still stay away from here because of the rats and snakes and earthquakes and floods and machine gun toting cops and stuff.

Long Stroker

06-14-05, 07:40

ps. I liked her so much I married her.
pps. She's living here with me now, things are going very well and that's the
reason why I haven't been posting much lately.

Can you share with us from which country is she?
And are you taking any steps to keep her from becoming americanized?

ILoveAnalSex

06-14-05, 14:57

CBGBConnisur

06-14-05, 15:35

Rats, snakes, and machine gun toting cops? Are you sure you're talking about Argentina? From what I heard, its supposed to be the Switzerland of South America. When talking about Buenos Aires, an Australian friend, said Paris is the Buenos Aires of Europe. With those kinds of comments it can't be too bad.

Daddy Rulz

06-14-05, 17:40

No CBGB, Argentina have some of the best public relations firm is the world in order to perpetuate these myths. Personally I found the "rats and snakes and earthquakes and floods and machine gun toting cops" to be the easiest things to deal with. The hard part was the crazy pimps prone to castration when the Johns wouldn't give them 10 times the agreed upon rate.

STAY AWAY, STAY AWAY It's not civalized like OZ at all. If you do come make sure you hire body guards at the security booth in the airport. It's on the left as you leave customs. Also the water is so bad that even the rain will make you sick. Get your shots before you come.

Chocha Monger

06-14-05, 19:13

How long have you been in the US with your new wife? I ask because I read somewhere (I do not remeber where) that the 3-year mark is when they begin to convert to the American way of thinking .

Just Curious. Best of luck

ILAS

ILAS,

I believe the three year mark has to do with the fact that their conditional permanent resident status is removed after 2 yrs from the date of entry into the US. At that point they cannot be deported if divorced, therefore the incentives to cater to horny hubby's needs rapidly decline. They soon begin to Americanize and there isn't a thing that can stop them from assimilating then. They are now legal permanent residents with the right to put their husband's balls in a purse or pickle jar if they so desire.

The women who aren't very smart usually show signs of Americanization within 6 months of arriving when they can be divorced and deported when their 2 year condition permanent resident status expires. The others who do their home work know that they have to wait a bit longer. That is always the risk that you take when importing a wife. Anyway, who knows? Rock might have struck gold.

Marriage within the US is fraught with risks regardless of where the woman originates from. Unless you live somewhere out in the wilderness I just don't see how you can prevent American women from "educating" your immigrant wife.

Sinanju Master

06-14-05, 22:25

If you guys wanna see a funny example of the Americanization of a female, (educated by her American counterparts) watch the Eddie Murphy concert movie "Raw". It's funny as shit, but true to the letter....

CBGBConnisur

06-15-05, 11:28

That's why you shouldn't take them back home with you. A lot of the reasons American women are the way they are is due to American culture and society. Take them back to the middle of nowhere. I wouldn't feel uncomfortable bringing back women to Australia because Australian society doesn't value success and wealth as it is in the States.

The biggest example of an Americanized foreign woman has to be Gisele Bundchen, who is Brazilian. She showed up in Forbes as one of the richest entertainers, making over $15 million a year.

Long Stroker

06-15-05, 18:12

(Hmmm.... I wonder why this is happening?)

Wednesday, June 15, 2005

By Wendy McElroy

Some researchers call them the "Lost Boys." They are the students you don't see on college campuses.

The National Center for Education Statistics (NCES) tracks the enrollment in all degree-granting institutions by sex. From 1992 to 2000, the ratio of enrolled males to females fell from 82 to 78 boys for every 100 girls. The NCES projects that in 2007 the ratio will be 75 males for every 100 females; in 2012, 74 per 100.

In short, your son is statistically more likely than your daughter to work a blue collar job.

Thomas Mortenson, senior scholar at the Pell Institute for the Study of Opportunity in Higher Education, argues that leaving a generation of boys behind hurts women as well. In a Business Week cover story, Mortenson observed, "My belief is that until women decide that the education of boys is a serious issue, nothing is going to happen."

He believes some women feel threatened by even admitting the problem because "it will take away from the progress of women...What everyone needs to realize is that if boys continue to slide, women will lose too."

That realization still seems distant among educational experts, who continue to downplay the NCES statistic as well as other data that indicate schools are hurting boys.

Jacqueline King — author of the influential study "Gender Equity in Higher Education: Are Male Students at a Disadvantage?"— is an example. She found that 68 percent of college enrollees from low-income families were female; only 31 percent were male.

Yet King insists there is no "boy crisis" in education despite the fact that data from Upward Bound and Talent Search show a comparable gender gap. (These college-preparation programs operate in high schools and received $312.6 million $144.9 million in tax funding, respectively, in 2005.) Of the students who receive benefits from those college-preparation programs, approximately 61 percent are girls; 39 percent are boys.

King's quoted explanation of the gender gaps: "women make up a disproportionate share of low-income students" who go on to college. Since low-income families presumably give birth to boys in the same ratio as the general population— worldwide the ratio is between 103 to 107 boys for every 100 girls — why are so few boys applying for assistance? A higher drop-out rate might be partly responsible, or boys may have no interest in higher education.

King comments on the latter explanation: "male low-income students have some ability in this strong economy to make a decent living with just a high-school diploma." In particular, she points to the construction industry.

King may be correct. The fact that low-income boys gravitate toward manual labor may account for some of the educational gender disparity. What is striking, however, is her apparent dismissal of that disparity as important. She seems to accept the reality that far fewer men than women enroll in college and that poor boys enter "the trades" while poor girls become professionals.

Imagine the gender ratio being reversed, with 78 girls for every 100 boys entering college. Imagine a generation of poor girls being relegated to low social status labor while tax funding assists poor boys. It is difficult to believe King would be similarly unconcerned.

Nevertheless, merely by acknowledging the situation, King shows far more balance than prominent voices, like the American Association of University Women, which still maintains there is a "girl crisis."

Fortunately, researchers like Judith Kleinfeld of the University of Alaska see that boys are in distress.

Kleinfeld — author of "The Myth That Schools Shortchange Girls" — states, "In my own college classes, I see a sea change in the behavior of young men. In the 1980s, the young men talked in my classes about the same as young women. I know because each semester I measured male and female talk. Now so many young men are disengaged that the more articulate, ambitious women dominate the classroom ....and my office hours."

Kleinfeld tried to trace the problem backward by interviewing high school students on plans for their future. She states, "The young women almost always have a clear, realistic plan—-go to college, have a career, often directed toward an idealistic goals about improving the environment."

This clarity of vision and was generally absent in young men.

Among those who acknowledge the "boy crisis," explanations are vary and may all be true. Some point to the "feminization" of education over the last decade, which occurred largely in response to a perceived need to encourage girls. But, if boys and girls learn differently, then the changes may be placing boys at a disadvantage.

Others point to explicitly anti-male attitudes — that is, political correctness — within education. The website Illinois Loop lists "22 School Practices That May Harm Boys." One of them: "'Modern' textbooks and recommended literature often go to extremes to remove male role models as lead characters and examples."

Kleinfeld points speculatively to the impact of increased divorce and fatherless homes on the self-image of boys who lack a positive male role-model.

Approximately 40 percent of American children now live in homes without their own biological father.

Ultimately, explanations of and solutions to the "boy crisis" will come from exploring a combination of factors. My solution: privatize education and place it under the control of parents or adult students.

The first step to any solution, however, is to acknowledge there is a problem. We are not quite there yet.

ILoveAnalSex

06-15-05, 20:09

Chocha,

I did not know about the 2-year conditional resident status thing. It all makes sense now; I learned something today.

I tell you women can really be slick. I just don’t know how women, as cute as they sometimes are, can be so damned devious. I guess I’ll never understand that one.

Btw, I remember the Eddie Murphy comedy video that Sinanju was referring to. It is hilarious. And to think we still have the same issue 2 decades later. What a shame.

ILAS

CBGBConnisur

06-15-05, 22:36

The biggest and most famous example of a foreign woman turning renegade is Ivana Trump. When Ivana filed to divorce Donald Trump, she demanded a Billion dollars from her husband. At first Trump did not want to give in, but on the advice of his lawyers he was told that it was the best option because she might have sued for more. So Trump called Ivana and told her that he would give her a bank certified check for a billion dollars. You want to know her response? She said she did not want a check instead, she wanted a billion dollars in 1 dollar bills, that's correct this b*itch wanted a billion dollars in 1 dollar bills. It took Trump and his lawyers a month to convince the United States Treasury to print a billion 1 dollar notes. Many poor workers at the US treasury had to work double overtime in order to complete the request, which took 48 days to finish. When it was done Trump called an armored car service, they asked him how he wanted the money to be delivered. Trump said he didn't care, he even said it was okay to dump it on Ivana's front lawn of her Miami estate. A convoy of 128 armored cars delivered the money to Ivana Trump's address in Florida. When the convoy arrived, Ivana refused to take delivery of the money, she then phoned up Donald Trump, and told him "You know what? I changed my mind, I don't want a billion one dollar bills, just send me a certified check.". Yes so big time stinkers like Ivana Trump can be found abroad too. The best advice, don't bring them back to the States.

ILoveAnalSex

06-15-05, 22:55

I was watching NBC News at 6PM today & they were discussing the Michael Jackson verdict with the prosecuting attorney. The story mentioned that the jury did not believe the story & felt that the mother may have put the boy up to it in order to extort money from Jackson. When the prosecutor was asked about the jury’s perception of the mother, his response included that she had been the victim of domestic violence.

Now I did not follow the Jackson case closely, so I am trying to give the prosecutor the benefit of the doubt, but I thought this case was about alcohol & child molestation. When did mom’s domestic violence come into it?

My question is if anyone on here knows what domestic violence had to do with mom’s credibility on the witness stand? I could be wrong, but I have a sneaky suspicion that this is an attempt by the State to justify their failure to win a conviction in this case by using the “women are always victims” tactic. The idea that mom could be a liar & the eight women & four men on the jury saw through her charade could not possibly be the reason they did not believe the story. Of course not; the jury was somehow blinded by mom’s past subjection to domestic violence!

My God, US women can’t even lose a case in court without someone trying to use some psychological buzzword to explain it away.

Also today, the Florida Medical Examiner’s autopsy findings completely exonerated Terri Shiavo’s husband of any wrongdoing, and of course there has not been any response by Terri’s parents or siblings about the autopsy findings even though they demonized this calling him a spouse abuser, womanizer & anything else they could think of (It’s amazing how silence overcomes the noisy once the truth comes out).

I’m just waiting for someone else in this country to attempt to counter the autopsy findings & explain to the rest of us why they should not have removed the feeding tube from a 15-year brain dead patient with her legally married husbands consent. Now, the autopsy shows that she was not abused, so domestic violence is not a viable ploy. I got it! Maybe Terri was suffering from post-partum depression at the time they removed her feeding tube. Surely that will make Terri a victim once again in the eyes of our “women are always victims” society.

ILAS

American Women Suck – and society isn’t helping it any.

Dickhead

06-15-05, 23:02

That story is complete bullshit.

Joe Zop

06-16-05, 07:13

Ivana Trump got $25mil from "The Donald" after thirteen years of being married, because of a pre-nup. That's pretty small potatoes from a billionaire.

Bart9000

06-16-05, 07:57

I saw a similar story (Long's college article) but it was oriented more towards the college social life-basically, in the man deficient environment, girls compete aggressively for boyfiriends, and even basically engage in public lesbian behavior in order to get the attention of men. Maybe I should go and pick up that PhD before splitting the country. I likes me some coeds (but not what they balloon into unfortunately).

Incidently, I'm also aware of another coping mechanism that is I'm sure partially inspired by the above mentioned deficiency. There is a class of girls that have evolved on college campuses who are known as LUGs...that is (L)esbians (U)ntil (G)raduation. Basically, they dyke it out all over the place for four years, and forego all of the terrible difficulties that men cause them, and then after graduating, switch teams, and start hunting for a guy to give them babies and a white pickett fence. It's good to know that we can be eliminated, even on a short term basis.

One other thing. Where I live (the sticks), don't so much see the sexless career women that you guys describe, as pretty much well...hillbilly chicks (the world would be a better place if they were sexless, instead of replicating themselves and the local losers 3-8 times each. I'm not kidding about the 8 incidently). However, in a major bookstore chain, I laughed my head off as I saw exactly what you guys were talking about (I used to work downtown Chicago, but it's been several years). There was this obvious dressed down career women (with her own big silver cofee mug), and if she could have possibly radiated any less femininity, I can't imagine how.

Daddy Rulz

06-16-05, 08:14

CbGb you have been misinformed. The Donald kept the Florida estate and Ivana did get something like 25 million.

However in this mongerers estimation, $25,000,000.00 was a lot of money for bearing two kids and having brazilian waxes done. I don't care if she was having to fuck that ugly prick, 25 million bucks is a shitload of money when you weren't going to the office to make it. I also could give a good fuck less how much money the ex is worth it's a shitload. I'm also not interested in how she helped him make by helping maintain his network, a good secretary could do the same for a lot less severance.

ILoveAnalSex

06-16-05, 10:15

Let's see, that's almost 2 million/year (actually, it's 1.923 million/yr).

Now I don't earn 1.923 million per year, so that's a nice sum of money in my eyes. In fact, most people, single or married, will not earn 1.923 million in a lifetime.

Maybe if I were a millionaire, I would feel Ivanna's pain & wonder how she could live on such a paltry sum of money.

Then again, maybe I'm in the minority & this board is full of aristocrats.

Sporadic

06-16-05, 10:31

CBGB, sorry, but you are yet another taken in by an urban legend.
There are dozens of myth debunking websites if you are interested, but this is a cute introduction.

www.science.howstuffworks.com/urban-legend.htm

Cheers,

Sporadic

ILoveAnalSex

06-16-05, 13:53

Here's an atricle that I found to be interesting. I've posted the link in case you want to read the article at the Fox News website: http: //www. foxnews. com/story/0, 2933, 158227, 00. html

Fathers' Rights Victory In Massachusetts Wednesday, June 01, 2005 By Wendy McElroy

A determined father in Massachusetts has delivered an early Father's Day gift to non-custodial parents, the overwhelming majority of whom are dads.

Dr. Henry M. Fassler has successfully contested a 1998 Massachusetts law that requires a non-custodial parent to have court certification as a non-batterer on a yearly basis before he (or she) is allowed access to their children's school records. The school system currently views all non-custodial parents as guilty of battery until proven innocent. But all that is going to change.

The specifics of Fassler's case: he wanted to see the academic class list for his 17-year-old daughter Lindsay, who had asked him for help. No charge or complaint had ever been filed against Fassler; he is on good terms with his ex-wife and children.

When the school refused the class list, Fassler not only got angry, he also got active. Last October, he complained to the Family Policy Compliance Office at the U. S. Department of Education, challenging the statute as discriminatory. On May 6, the DOE sent a letter to Massachusetts' Education Commissioner David P. Driscoll, which warned that "the commonwealth and every school district in Massachusetts is in violation of federal law, and has been for years. "

The letter explained, "non-custodial parents cannot be denied access to school records unless there is evidence those 'rights have been specifically revoked'. " The government cannot stand between parent and child when no evidence of abuse is present.

Father's rights advocates had fought against the law since its passage. (Indeed, Fassler belongs to Fathers and Families, a leading voice in that battle.) Suddenly, however, with millions in federal funding at stake, Driscoll has indicated that a "new policy" will treat divorced parents more fairly.

The struggle in Massachusetts for non-custodial rights offers both hope and lessons to divorced parents across North America.

One lesson is cautionary: even well-intended laws can be hijacked and used for unintended political purposes. This one fact alone should prejudice reformers in favor of repealing bad laws rather than stacking the new ones ever higher.

According to Fassler, the 1998 statute was first pushed by father's advocates who wanted to clarify their parental right to school records. Then, anti-domestic violence groups -- especially a Boston-based victims advocacy group, Jane Doe Inc. (JDI) -- amended the measure to make a distinction between custodial and non-custodial parents. Fassler claims the changes converted the statute into an "abuse-prevention bill" that discriminated against the very fathers who suggested it.

JDI has a history of receiving large tax-funded contracts to handle the training and other assistance necessary to implement anti-abuse programs in Massachusetts; it seems natural to assume that JDI wielded influence over the policy-makers with whom it has established a long and remunerative partnership. Nancy Scannell of JDI helped to draft the statute.

By contrast, the father's rights advocates against whom JDI is often pitted consist almost entirely of volunteers.

This is another lesson from the Massachusetts struggle. Grassroots organizations and actions can prevail over generously tax-funded agencies, but it is crucial to "follow the money. " The crusade against the 1998 statute won out only when Fassler called federal funding into question.

But following the money means more than this; the tax-funding of JDI should be tracked and made public. As taxpayers, fathers have a right to know how such funds are dispensed and to expose any political bias in the granting of contracts.

Moreover, any organization that will profit from a legislative measure should be excluded from drafting it. The exclusion is important. The Boston Globe quotes Scannell as saying she "will eagerly participate in any discussion to rewrite the bill. " If the "non-profit" JDI will eagerly cash checks based on such a rewrite, then JDI should not shape its language.

Yet, despite words of caution, the news from Massachusetts is heartening. Non-custodial parents will no longer be viewed as abusive until proven innocent. Fathers can play a greater role in their children's academic lives.

Radio host Glenn Sacks, who campaigned against the 1998 statute, explains the importance of a father's presence. "As a former high school teacher…I could teach a class for a few weeks and then have a pretty good idea which kids had fathers in their lives and which ones didn't. I had few discipline problems…but I always knew that there was one truly effective way to get an errant boy to change his ways--call his dad and explain…that he needs to leave work and come to the school to talk to me about his son's behavior. It was 100 percent effective. "

That option may now be available to all of Massachusetts' teachers, parents, and children.

Wendy McElroy is the editor of ifeminists. com and a research fellow for The Independent Institute in Oakland, Calif. She is the author and editor of many books and articles, including the new book, "Liberty for Women: Freedom and Feminism in the 21st Century" (Ivan R. Dee/Independent Institute, 2002). She lives with her husband in Canada.

ILoveAnalSex

06-16-05, 14:04

maybe desiree nall lied because she's a victim of domestic violence.

i used to live in brevard county, florida (that's where i got my first divorce. here's the link: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,153969,00.html

false [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) claim hurts real victims
wednesday, april 20, 2005
by wendy mcelroy

on april 8, the president of the brevard, fla., chapter of the national organization for women was charged by the florida state attorney's office with filing a false [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) report and making a false official statement.

she could be imprisoned for one year on each count and forced to pay for the police investigation she incurred. the case has far-reaching implications for gender politics and for women who report sexual assault in the future.

the facts are as follows. on nov. 17, 2004, part-time rollins college student desiree nall reported being raped in a campus bathroom by two men. the winter park police department put rollins on ‘high alert,’ advising students to remain indoors when possible.

the dean immediately dispatched a campus-wide email to assure students that extra security measures were being taken.

in a sandspur article entitled "a [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) hoax is no way to get attention,"jean bernard chery relates how the incident impacted campus life.

"it was a nightmare for every female student and faculty/staff at rollins. they were afraid to go to the bathroom or walk on campus alone after dusk….the incident prompted a candlelight vigil on campus in support of the alleged victim [then unnamed]," chery wrote.

the police had reason for skepticism. nall could not assist with composite sketches, offered inconsistent details and did not wish to press charges. an examination at a sexual assault treatment center after the alleged attack produced no evidence of foreign dna.

due to publicity and campus panic, however, a police investigation continued at a final estimated cost of more than $50,000. the report of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) was judged a hoax.

according to police, on nov. 19,nall phoned and asked to have the case dropped. when detective jon askins questioned her original report, nall reportedly confessed that she was "not a victim of a sexual batter." the police speculate that nall, a vocal feminist, may have been trying to "make a statement" about violence against women. the allege raped occurred during sexual assault awareness week, which was intended to highlight the issue of sexual violence against women.

jeff nall, desiree’s husband, has been speaking publicly on her behalf. he claims the charges will be appealed on the grounds that an attempted assault did occur. he denies that she confessed to lying. he claims she has been targeted by police because "she is a women's-rights activist."

he also distances now from the unfolding fiasco by pointing out that his wife became a chapter president only recently, prior to the incident. moreover, according to one article in the sandspur, he argues "that sexual assault cases such as this are not one of the platforms of now."

now apparently wishes to maintain distance as well. as of monday, searching it’s website for the term "nall" returns no results. after all, now has argued that women do not lie about [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). catharine mackinnon--a founding mother of the gender feminism that now promotes -- stated in her book, feminism unmodified, "the reason feminism uncovered this reality [of male oppression], its methodological secret, is that feminism is built on believing women's accounts of sexual use and abuse by men."

if this methodology is debunked, if women are viewed as no more or less likely to lie than men, then the foundation of gender politics collapses.

it is premature and grandiose, however, to see the collapse of gender feminism within the nall news story. a false account of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) in a bathroom is a much smaller and more tawdry tale: a tempest in a toilet.

assuming that nall lied, she has achieved the opposite of what i believe she intended. by "crying [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)" she has made every woman who is a victim less credible and less likely to receive justice from the police or the public. she has made women less safe.

rollins student elizabeth humphrey states the point simply: "lying about that story is absolutely horrible because women are victimized every day. and if we get the reputation of lying, then people won't start to believe us if it does happen."

instead of publicizing sexual violence against women, nall has spotlighted the problem of false accusations against men. her case also raises the question of whether now-style feminists encourage false accusations when they flatly insist that women must be believed.

in the ‘60s, feminists fought to have [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) taken seriously. but taking an accusation seriously is not the same as granting it automatic validity. rather, it means investigating the facts and weighing them in an unbiased manner that favors no one and nothing but the truth.

a lot of ugly truth may surface in the coming months. the state of florida seems determined to pursue its case against nall, who seems determined to fight back.

winter park sgt. pam marcum explained to the orlando sentinel that bringing charges against nall had taken so long because the police department sought a second opinion from the state attorney’s office. it is rare for those who file false reports of sexual abuse to be prosecuted. in short, the prosecution is carefully constructing a case; the defense is loudly crying ‘political persecution!’ in the process, the definition and legal status of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) within our society continues to evolve.

where it comes to rest depends largely upon the honesty-- not the now-like silence -- with which women confront the problem of false accusations.

wendy mcelroy is the editor of ifeminists.com and a research fellow for the independent institute in oakland, calif. she is the author and editor of many books and articles, including the new book, "liberty for women: freedom and feminism in the 21st century" (ivan r. dee/independent institute, 2002). she lives with her husband in canada.

Dickhead

06-16-05, 22:12

If they had sex twice a week it works out to $18,491 per fuck. Hell, if they had sex every dang day it is $5,283 per fuck. That is $15,057 Argentinean pesos so I could fuck Pandora 125 times a day. Or I could go to Oba Oba for 1,004 half hour sessions per day. Oh, wait a minute; there are only 48 half hours in a day. And Pandora is probably already getting fucked 125 times a day.

Personally for $5,283 a day I would go to Amsterdam and get Yab Yum's limousine filled with a wide ethnic variety of chicas, get some monster dope, and just drive around all day buried in pussy. It's hard to run a financial empire that way, though.

Ferris Bueller

06-17-05, 00:43

If you think american women are bad you should meet british women. Polyester is not sexy. Really.

Its quite funny, I come back to the forum after 6 months and the first post I see is from Dickhead, some things never change!

Anyway, I totally agree with Dickhead, stay away from Argentina, its really dangerous, the pimps are evil, the pr is overblown, prices are overinflated, girls aren't that great either. I know, I've been there.

Recommend you go to Chile instead.

Pitching a Tent

06-17-05, 01:31

[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur] Many poor workers at the US treasury had to work double overtime in order to complete the request, which took 48 days to finish.[.quote]I think CBGBConnisur got this part all wrong too. Since when are the federal workers at the US Treasury considered poor? I think the average starting wage is about $20 an hour and with all that overtime they probably all bought new cars that year. And what would Ivana have done with all those $1 dollar bills? Think and verify before you write anything, dude.

CBGBConnisur

06-17-05, 01:54

$5000 would pay to spend some time with a bunch of Yab Yum women for the entire day? I would be surprised about that, I bet the real cost would be $50,000 plus.

Dickhead

06-17-05, 01:59

But then you thought Ivana got a billion dollars, specially printed by the US treasury. So, Yab Yum probably would charge you $50,000. Anyway the dope would put me to sleep after a couple of hours and then if I had any money left they would just steal it so I don't see where it is a problem as long as I save 40 Euros for a hostel every day.

Tell you what. You go to their website and send them a message saying you want five hookers for all day for 5,000 Euros and do it in English. I will do the same thing in Dutch and we will see what they say.

CBGBConnisur

06-17-05, 11:44

Honestly, I would rather rent Cafe Foto in Sao Paulo or K5 in Prague for a weekend with that much cash. The Prague women completely blow away the women in Amsterdam.

Sporadic

06-17-05, 12:29

Well, to get back on topic, why is it that all American women, including my ex-wife were seriously twisted? With the notable exception of my Mother (yours too!), it goes without saying. ;)

In my case, when I look back at the good old USA from the perspective of a 25 year expat, I am very saddened. Oh, how things have changed.

A wise friend of mine once asked me, "have they changed, or have you?"

Damn good question.

Cheers,

Sporadic

Rock Dog

06-18-05, 00:03

Longstroker and ILAS,

Thanks for the recent kind words and sorry about the delay in posting.

The question was asked about what steps I had taken to prevent the "americanization" of my new wife. I think there are some things that can be done.

First, selection is everything. I went through a LOT of women before I decided which one was right for me. Just like you have to taste a few mediocre wines before you can know a good one, so it is with women.

Second, I had an age cutoff point of 25 years old. Any younger than this and it will be too easy for most women to take on some of the more undesirable aspects of our western culture. My theory is that the older the girl, the more set in her ways she will be. Her traditional culture and values should hopefully be more deeply ingrained.

Third, I chose a girl that already had a decent (by local standards) job. It's been my experience that girls claiming to be students, models or hairdressers are usually part-time hookers. A girl with a regular job is way more likely to appreciate your money and what it takes for you to earn it.

Fourth, I took a lot of time to get to know my girl. That meant long hours at 1 AM chatting online, hundreds of dollars in phone bills and 2 separate trips to go visit her in her own country. Unlike those guys in that video clip that went down to Colombia and blindly picked out some chica because she was the prettiest one in the room.

While I was there for my visits, I met many of her friends and most of her family as well. Often times, a girls friends and family can tell you a lot about what kind of person she is.

Now that she is here with me, I encourage her to spend her social time with some people from her country that happen to live here. I subtly discourage her from making too many friends with the girls that live around here.

All in all, if it's gonna happen, it will eventually. The best policy is probably prevention by picking a woman who will be less susceptible to our bad western influences.

Hope this helps out anyone who is looking to do the same as I did.

Rock

ILoveAnalSex

06-18-05, 01:37

Even though I have had two failed marriages, I am not anti-marriage. My parents are still married after 35 years, their only marriage, high school sweethearts. Now I do recognize that my parents are from a different generation. Nonetheless, I still believe that marriage can work for generation-Xers, so I wish you the best, Rock.

Chocha Monger

06-18-05, 15:51

A few days ago while having a cup of my favorite brew at a coffee shop I was reminded why I have nothing to do with American women.

Maybe it was the caffeine that caused them to chatter so freely, but I couldn't believe what I was hearing. None in the group was over a 7 on a scale of 10, but neither were they obese either. It would be safe to say that they all were under 26 yrs of age.

They were talking about how lame guys were for buying them lunch or asking them out on a date. They criticized the physical attributes of particular men and laughed in amusement. Every man who made an attempt to get to know them was considered a stalker. Compliments on their dress or hair were seen as supplications for access to their vaginas. It seemed that these women grew happier and felt better about themselves by the minute as they busted balls.

I felt concerned, not for myself but for the unsuspecting men who were going to try date these women. The best that they could hope for was to be shot down and laughed at. The worst that could happen would be to get into a relationship with one. I have always known that American women were materialistic but I forgot that they also thrive on inflicting emotional damage on men. They thrive on dealing blows to the male ego. I recall that this was quite common among teenagers at school but I always thought that girls grew out of it as they became women. Perhaps I was wrong, it may be the viciousness only becomes more sophisticated and covert.

These same women will be wondering why they can't get a date tens years from now. They will try to figure out why they get fucked and chucked. I sipped my coffee and savoured memories of the land from whence it came. Some things will never change.

Rock Dog

06-18-05, 19:23

Chocha,

Those women are losers. Quite often, people will criticize something and make negative comments because they can't have that same thing. Making it seem bad makes them feel better about not having it.

Consider this example. You're sitting with a friend at a cafe as a brand new Mercedes drives past. Then your friend starts up about how stupid that car is, costs as much as a house, too much for insurance and maintenance etc etc. Deep down inside he would dearly love to be able to afford such a car, but he can't..... so he makes himself feel better by trying to convince himself that having one is a bad idea.

I think that's what those women were really trying to do. Make themselves feel better by cutting someone else down. Sexism isn't limited to men.

As an aside, I recently heard a statistic that claims over 70% of women are unable to have an orgasm. I'd bet that these women are probably in that group. Otherwise, they might be enjoying a good lay instead of sitting around criticizing men and complaining to each other in some stupid coffee shop.

Rock

Daddy Rulz

06-18-05, 19:48

I bet that excluded Latinas, they are the most orgasm happy group I've ever seen.

American women just suck, why waste your time? Even the ones I love as friends I would never, ever get involved with.

CBGBConnisur

06-19-05, 00:13

The reasons that American women suck are numerous and complex, you could write volumes about it. But the underlying reason is contemporary American culture and society, which is full of contradictions and conflicting views. On one hand women are taught to be women and on the other they are taught to be something else. The superpowerful US media pretty much has brainwashed about 98 percent of the American male population, most of us on this board represent an enlightened minority, who have traveled the world and have seen how life can be different. The Domino's Pizzas and the other ones who defend American women are just hooked into the US media mind manipulation.

Cyberdas

06-19-05, 01:12

Chocha, sad but true, these women will probably go out on dates and land someone to cling on to - some pussified/chump male - which abound by great numbers.

I totally agree with CBGBConnisur which pretty much explains why these women will go out on dates but probably (and hopefully) not with those of us on this forum who "represent an enlightened minority".

Before, I used to drool over American/ Americanized women, now I know better. It's funny actually because of the way in which I view them. They might take me for being one of those unenlightened majority, but they're dead wrong. When I deal with them (not very often) inside I'm cracking up and saying "yeah right, dream-on, whatever!!".

ILoveAnalSex

06-19-05, 12:46

I've not heard from Domino in some time now. I guess he really has abandoned the AW thread for the Thailand thread, which brings me to my question.

I don't know if Domino has ever made this comparison before, but I'd love to know what he thinks about Thai women. Or better yet, which does he prefer, Thai or AW & why?

I'm just really curious to know his response.

ILAS

Beko9

06-20-05, 21:20

Hi All,

I am amazed reading this threat. Are really American women so bad?

Granted I do not leave in the USA, but I did had Australian and British girlfriends that basically do come from the same Anglo-Saxon culture tradition. I have done my bit of travelling around the globe and have had esperiences with Latin and Slavic women. And I find that in many respects it maybe far easier to be with a western woman.

True with Latin/Slavic woman, you can be a king, and everything is at your wish, but you always have to pay, as a woman never pays. You have to pay while taking her out, buying her presets, and entertaining her. You are a breadwinner, and a woman takes care of your domestic and sexual happiness.

A western woman is different. They tend to be mere independent and do what they like. The relationship is more like a partnership. They would fuck you only if they feel horny, not just to please you. But there are advantages. You never have to pay for them, as they pay there way, be it a restaurant bill, or 50% of holiday expenses.

In my experience it works out to be this way. You can go and have a beach/skiing holiday with Latin/Slavic 8s and 10s but you have to pay 100%. You can also go and have a holiday with a Western woman which would be 5s-7s, but she would pay her half of the costs. Experiences would be different but equally enjoyable. Sex with Latina probably would be more caring / passionate / sweet. But with a western woman it is likely be more “dirty”, as they have seen a fair amount of porn as well, and quite easily can act as a porn actresses and are fluent in dirty talk.

I see the above as a fair trade-off, and I think this thread is well anti-western women biased, and perhaps driven by man, who simply do not know how to handle a western woman?

Dickhead

06-20-05, 22:04

a) There is no way in the world that American women are more "dirty" than Latina women, unless you are referring to personal hygiene.
b) Which is it, you don't leave the US or you have done your share of traveling around the globe? The two are mutually exclusive.
c) While I agree AWs pay for more than Latinas do, in the initial stages the man is still paying for most things most of the time.
d) "They would fuck you only if they feel horny, not just to please you." Thus getting back to one of the roots of the issue, which is that AWs aren't nearly horny enough.
e) Latina women also watch porn, not that this is any particular advantage.

Sinanju Master

06-20-05, 22:19

You need to get your feet wet in order to understand what it is we're talking about regarding American Women. The horror stories of watching them crush a guy's ego in front of their friends for the pure sport of it, the manupulation in order to separate a guy from his money and resources, the ease with which they will lie in order to fuck with a guy's mind just so she can have some fun... these are REAL EVENTS, not some fabrication. My advice to you, beware...

In my travels overseas (even to some countries that have robust economies that have high standards) I encountered women that are the complete OPPOSITE of American Women: Polite, well-mannered, pleasant, easy to talk to, and a complete delight to be around. In over 20 years of traveling, I've met LESS THAN a handful of foreign women that I'd kick to the curb for their attitudes alone.

It's as if the rest of the world's women has the maturity and class that American Women LACK. Mingle with them some more and THEN I'd like to see the nature of your posts

Smut Villain

06-20-05, 23:55

The irony is, Siesta has probably been played by some of those same American Women without even knowing it. They can be sneaky that way, you know?

Dickhead

06-21-05, 00:52

I misunderstood him. He said he did not "leave in the USA." I think he meant he did not "live in the USA." So, he is not American and English is not his first language, most likely. So this means he has met the American women who are willing to travel and/or meet foreigners, which is not the majority.

Anyway Siesta, I apologize for misreading your post. American women still suck but that is not my problem any more.

Hardbarg

06-21-05, 01:29

You all may or may not agree with what this guy has to say, but don't beat him up for what he doesn't say. If I read his post correctly, he is talking about brits & aussies, not american women. There's plenty in what he does say to call him on. I think we should stick to that. For instance, if he's having sex only when his western gf is horny, he can't have very much experience. Who cares what he thinks.

CBGBConnisur

06-21-05, 01:40

This Siesta character has not been to the USA, from his wording English isn't a first language for him. Yet still, he doesn't have one clue about what life in the US is really like.

Sinanju Master

06-21-05, 03:27

I wasn't bashing Siesta (if it seemed that way) but I DO think he was making a comment about something of which he has very little if any experience. I tried to bring that to his attention, and it may have seemed coarse. For that, I offer apologies. Many comments here are aimed at WESTERN women and their attitudes and I won't dispute much of that. My comments are aimed at AMERICAN WOMEN and come from experience as do the comments of many of you here. I feel that I was telling Siesta that he needs to pull back the curtain to expose the Great All-Powerful Oz what for what it is.

There is a good chance that these AW's that travel overseas do NOT travel in such a large pack like back home, and therefore the evidence of the sport of ego-crushing is minimal or nonexistent. Having not witnessed this despicable practice very much if at all, I feel, may have shaped his current opinion, which is different from the prevailing school of thought on this board.

Chocha Monger

06-21-05, 06:58

"A western woman is different. They tend to be mere independent and do what they like. The relationship is more like a partnership. They would fuck you only if they feel horny, not just to please you. But there are advantages. You never have to pay for them, as they pay there way, be it a restaurant bill, or 50% of holiday expenses."

It's obvious that Siesta has no experience with American women. The statement above might be true of Swedish women for example but not American women by a long shot. It is true that AW will do whatever they want, but they have a serious problem with a man trying to do the same. The relationship is a partnership where the woman seeks to make 95% of the decisions. It's also true that they will only fuck you when they are horny or they want you to purchase them the latest "must have" item. As for never having to pay for them, that is a total fallacy. Some women may pay some portion of the expenses initially, however once they start putting out the pussy this comes to an abrupt end. The man is then expected to pay 100% of all expenses even though the woman only fucks him when she feels horny. You can be assured that she will feel horny less frequently as the relationship progresses.

With a Western woman you will still have to be the "breadwinner". If you don't pay up front you will pay on the way out. Just ask all the divorced men about the back loaded fund called marriage in the West.

While Western women can talk dirty and might even be mechanically proficient at sex, it is often sex without soul or true emotion.

Why settle for cold sex with a woman who only fucks you when she has nothing better to do? Latinas have hot pussy and whatever you spend on them is peanuts compared to the cost of having a Western girlfriend/wife.

I don't believe that dealing with Western women's bullshit is a "fair" trade-off for occasional mediocre sex. You may have to pay a Latina's way but that is only because she is a queen and deserves to be treated as such. In return for this you will be her king. She will suck you, fuck you, even cook and wash for you when you wish. It's good to be king!

Bart9000

06-21-05, 07:36

i heard one of a kind of funny one regarding the women paying. i once read a rant online by a guy who felt a need to explain to his girlfriend with whom he was supposed to be sharing expenses equally that $20 was not half of anything except $40. when they went to aruba, and the whole deal went on his credit card, she gave him $20. he spent $160 taking her parents to a nice restaurant, and she gave him $20-you guys get the idea-"fair and equitable"

regarding siesta's post, what he is describing as appearently in his opinion less than optimal behavior in latinas and ee women, sounds like paradise to me. i personally will gladly foot the bill for a woman who is faithful, and makes her priority my well being-that is actually "fair and equitable", a concept that our lovely domestic models don't have a grasp on. have your cake and eat it too(until you get very fat) is more their speed

regarding the "bashing", yes, this forum may seem to be "over the top" at times, but basically it is one of the very few tiny voices raised against the din of the media, our culture, our education system, feminist academia, and our government and judiciary bodies.

Mike12

06-21-05, 10:41

waiting for an elevator in manhattan office building and out pops 2 women with luggage. one looks at me and smiling says hello in a friendly way with a european accent. i nod. her friend says to her "see the men here in ny don't say hello". actually i was speechless because they were both gorgeous and the american one was near 6ft tall and looked like a combination of naomi campbell and stacey dash with tight jeans plastered on.

to the guy who wants to know what life is like here in the us in regards to women-it sucks. you are constantly on guard with females when it comes to talking. one girl moaned "he always says the wrong things". it's like verbal chess. the in thing now for females is to brand the guy a stalker! and watch out you might be called a weirdo guy if you want to park in a less crowded section of the parking lot.

CBGBConnisur

06-21-05, 12:32

I was on vacation in Spain, and in this grocery store, the checkout lady working there was a gorgeous Spanish blonde with a honey complexion, yet some knucklehead next to me kept talking about Jennifer Aniston, this local didn't have a clue that a really nice piece of woman was only a few feet away from us. Jennifer A on her best day couldn't compare to this beauty.

Daddy Rulz

06-21-05, 20:24

Mike I know exactly what the fuck your talking about being on guard. If you are not their compleat package then addressing them is something your simply no allowed to do or you are a stalker. How many time i have heard my friends that are girls here ***** about two things
1. Too many LOSERS hitting on them.

2. Not meeting any GOOD guys.

Siesta, I have yet to meet the AW that paid their 50%, my experiance is that their 50% is telling me what we should do that I will pay for. Once I was leaving a movie with a girlfriend here and she said "next time I pick the movie" and was pissed when I told her I would be happy to go to any movie that SHE paid for. She hit the fucking roof, her responce "just because your paying for it doesn't mean you get to pick it." I told her that because I was paying for it was WHY I get to pick it.

I still pay for all the dates with my girl in BsAs, but when she has something she would like to do, she whispers it in my ear says please and lightly pinches my nipple or something. I'm all in for that kind of manipulation, but the bitches here just DEMAND it. My problem with AW has always been their idea of entitalment, as if I am expected to put up with anything just for the privalage of being around them.

I'm happy to pay for all the dinners and movies and trips if it means I'm the King of the castle and she is my Queen.

Sinanju Master

06-22-05, 00:11

Well said, my bretheren! However, I feel that Siesta is rooted in his opinion, as are WE (at least experience taught US). He is on his way to what he thinks is a wonderful acquatic petting zoo, but is in actuality, open water littered with chum while he tries to pet the Great Whites he adores. If he needs to lose a limb in order to learn a lesson, I will be the LAST ONE to stand in his way...

Moore

06-22-05, 01:01

I concur that Siesta probably has not been to the USA or at least not for long. That said, I have had several European friends that have visited the USA for a week or so and hit major cities like NY and Miami. Several scored with the locals and reportedly had great experiences. Nothing but praise for AW, or at least the ease of bagging some decent ones in bars. I once went out with one of these guys and the girls were on him like flies on shit, I couldnt believe it, this guy is decent-looking but not outstanding. Could it be that AW treat them differently or that they know something we dont about handling our women? I really dont/didnt think that the foreign=interesting concept applies to AW.

CBGBConnisur

06-22-05, 01:09

There is another site americanwomensuck.com, I heard the guy who runs it was getting bombarded with threats of all kinds because of it from AWs, he even has AW sympathizing homos threatening him. This Siesta dude is going to get bit in half by those AW sharks.

ILoveAnalSex

06-22-05, 02:09

Thank you for posting your comments in this thread. I am a firm believer of open dialogue & I always welcome opposing viewpoints, so welcome aboard!

Siesta, American Women Suck. I know this first hand. I am originally from Chicago, I served in the Armed Forces & lived in Japan & England for a total of 5 years, I now live in SE Florida & I’m twice divorced (both American Women – one white & one black).

I would like to know where you are originally from, where you live now if different from your origin & how many British/Anglo women you have had relationships with (ballpark figure is good enough). I’m just trying to get an understanding of the basis of your opinion in order to better appreciate your viewpoint.

ILAS

American Women Suck – Siesta will learn this soon enough

Sinanju Master

06-22-05, 03:23

I just took a look at the site and I LIKE IT! The caretaker of the site must have known that ball-less, feminazi-sympathizing gay men and their soul-sucking, wallet-draining, man-hating female co-conspirators would mount an effort to collect a bunch of pitchfork-carrying villagers to hound him. The dude has MY support 100%. He lays out his points pretty eloquently, and that is sure to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off the shemons (whoops! I meant DEMONS)

CBGBConnisur

06-22-05, 13:50

Moore

06-22-05, 14:34

The dude must be seriously smoking some potent shit, he can find better women in his part of the world with ease. Anyway if you get a chance to go to Europe, you can turn the tables, and get Euro chics to fall on you.No one is saying by any means that the AW are better. Ive been around the world and know that they have got to be among the worst in all aspects. I was only saying that my Euro buddies seems to score some relatively decent AW with ease.

Chocha Monger

06-22-05, 16:25

The American women who were on the European dude like flies on shit probably thought that he had a pocket full of Euros, and he was an easy mark. Given the fact that the Euro is handing the dollar a serious ass-whipping these days, AW will look for new ways to finance that all important trip to Europe. Also, if the guy casually mentioned his chateau back in the Old Country that would explain why he was being mobbed by the AW gold-diggers.

On the other hand, some AW enjoy trying strange foreign cock simply for the bragging rights that it may bring among their friends. This seems to be more common in the North than in the South. Southern females prefer their cock to be home grown.

Remember, when you're a foreigner, you are whoever you say you are unless someone goes through quite a bit of trouble to verify your identity, assets, etc. Don't under-estimate the allure of the wealthy foreign boyfriend to American women. They may have assumed that since this guy was from Europe he must have had money in order to be vacationing in the US. I wonder if the reaction would have been the same if this same guy was a Mexican national or even Canadian perhaps? Even post 9/11 with all the supposed anti-Arab backlash any Saudi college student can walk into a bar and walk out with more pussy than he knows what to do with.

There is nothing that the foreign guys know about handling American women that we don't. AW are not that complicated or complex, just follow the money and you'll have them figured out everytime. ;)

Capt Ajax

06-22-05, 17:42

I found this article quite amazing. Even though it only explains why white men prefer asian women over white women and the like, it also explains alot of things about attraction, behaviours found in women that can not be explained any better then this.

Why White Men Prefer Asian Women

By Fred Reed

There is near me an Asian sushi-beer-and-dinner establishment that I´ll call the Asia Spot. The region is urban, so the clientele is a mix of some of just about everything, but the waitresses are all Asian, principally Japanese, Indonesian, Vietnamese, and Thai. The Spot is a neighborhood bar. A large after-work crowd, many of them regulars, gather at happy hour. The social dynamics are curious. It would be an exaggeration to say, as someone did, that the black guys come to pick up white women, and the white men come to get away from them – but it would be an exaggeration of an underlying truth. The waitresses are a large part of the Spot´s appeal.

A common subject of conversation among male customers is how very attractive these women are when compared to American women. It is not a thought safe to utter in mixed company. It is a very common thought. American women know it.

Why are the Asians attractive? What, to huge numbers of men, makes almost any Asian more appealing than almost any American? The question is much discussed by men at the Spot. (I should say here that when I say “women,” I mean the majority of women, the mainstream, the center of gravity. Yes, there are exceptions and degrees.)

American women of my acquaintance offer several explanations, all of them wrong. For example, they say that Asian women are sexually easy. No. American women are sexually easy. The waitresses at the Spot are not available. They date, but they cannot be picked up.

Another explanation popular among American women is that men want submissive women, which Asians are believed to be. Again, no. For one thing, submissive people are bland and boring. In any event the waitresses aren´t submissive. Many compete successfully in tough professions. Among Asian waitresses I know I count an electrical engineer who does wide-area networks, and a woman with a masters in biochemistry who, upon finding that research required a Ph.D and didn´t pay, went back to school and became a dentist. Both of these wait tables to help out in the family restaurant.

At the Spot I know a woman waitressing her way through a degree in computer security, a bright Japanese college graduate making a career in the restaurant business, and the manager of the Spot – not a light-weight job. Submissiveness has nothing to do with their attractiveness.

Why, then, are they so very appealing?

To begin with, look at the American women in the Spot. Perhaps a third of them are stylishly dressed. The rest of the gringas run from undistinguished to dumpster-casual: baggy jeans, oversize shirts -- often male shirts -- with the tails out. They seem to affect a sort of homeless chic, actually to want to look bad, and do it with more than a touch of androgyny. A high proportion are at least somewhat overweight. (So are the men, but that´s another subject.) The Asians, without exception, are sleek, well-groomed, and dressed with an understated sexiness that never pushes trashy.

Further, the Asians are what were once called “ladies,” a thought repellant to feminists but very so refreshing to men. Listen to the American women at neighboring tables, and you will frequently hear phrases like, “He´s a f---ing piece of @#%$.” In what appears to be a determined attempt to be men, they have adopted the mode of discourse of a male locker room and made it their normal language. The Asians, classier, better students of men, do not have foul mouths. They presumably know about body parts and bathroom functions, but do not believe that a woman raises her stature by referring to them constantly in mixed company.

Men at the Spot, I have noticed, instantly understand that colloquial commentary is not wanted, and don´t engage in it: In the presence of the civilized, men adopt the standards of civilization. Men also tend to think of women as women think of themselves. The Asians, without displaying vanity, clearly think well of themselves. And ought to.

All in all, they give the impression that they do not want to be one of the guys. They want to be one of the girls. Here we come to the core of their appeal. Let me elaborate.

The default position of American women is what men refer to as “the chip,” a veiled truculence, mixed with a not-very-veiled hostility toward men and a shaky sense of sexual identity. The result is a touchiness reminiscent of hungover ferrets. There is a bandsaw edge to them, a watching for any slight so that they can show that they aren´t going to take it. They are poised to lash out in aggressive defense of their manhood.

As best as I can tell, they don´t like being women. Here is the entire problem in five words.

The Asians at the Spot show every indication that they do like being women. They do not seem to have anything to prove. Being happy with what they are allows them to be comfortable with what they are not – men. They are not competing to be what they can´t be with people who can´t be anything else. They don´t have to establish their masculinity because they don´t want it. They do not assume, as American women tend to, that femaleness is a diseased condition to be treated by male clothes, gutter language, and bad temper.

I´ve spent many dozens of hours chatting with the gals at the Spot, and never seen a sign of the chip. For a man, the experience is wonderful beyond description – smart, pretty, classy women, who are women, and are not the enemy. As long as American women carry the chip, the Asian gals will eat them alive in the dating market.

Moore

06-22-05, 22:58

Astor Bryan,

Come to southern South America or visit southern Europe and you´ll encounter civilized sexy women everywhere, not just in a Spot bar. Even better, the women are not orientals.

CBGBConnisur

06-22-05, 23:22

The average European often behaves and dresses in a manner that can make them appear to be rich to a North American. I traveled quite a bit in Europe, and people in that part of the world are very particular about their dress and appearance. I'm guessing the European guy who got lucky with some AWs was percieved as "rich" and "classy". I used to date a European lady, she was particular about her appearance and how she dressed that when I initially met her, I thought she would be some rich nose in the air snob that I wouldn't have chance with. In reality she was the daughter of a carpenter in Germany, and she turned out to be one of the nicest and most down to Earth people I have met. When I go to Europe, I pick up women left and right, and in some of the most unlikely of locales, I've gotten phone numbers and dates out of European women at bus stops, the subways and train stations, hotel lobbies, the street, wherever. They become especially friendly when they find out I'm American. In Australia, a lot of women often say "Wow, you're American.", and are just amazed to hear an American accent, I've picked up a lot of women this way, and I am not rich or super good looking, to them its exotic. Some of it has to do with the media, and the stereotype of the strong American male, the same media that I complain about which makes a big deal out of a select few American women(Madonna, Angelina Jolie, etc).