American Women

[Long Stroker]

Angry Wife Gets Revenge Via eBay

Wednesday, June 22, 2005

Tim Shaw has gotten in trouble again — and this time it counts.

In February the obnoxious British shock jock was suspended "indefinitely" from his radio DJ job for the on-air trashing of his boss' house.

Last Thursday night, he was doing his usual 10 p.m.-to-1 a.m. shift at Birmingham-based Kerrang! 105.2 FM when he told pin-up girl Jodie Marsh on air that he'd be willing to leave his wife and two kids for her.

Unfortunately, his long-suffering wife was listening — and quickly put up his Lotus Esprit Turbo sports car for sale on eBay.

"I need to get rid of this car immediately — ideally in the next 2-3 hours before my cheating [jerk] husband gets home to find it gone and all his belongings in the street," Hayley Shaw wrote on the eBay description page, which as of Wednesday afternoon was still up.

"I am the registered owner and I have the log book. Please only buy if you can pick up tonight," she added.

The auction lasted exactly five minutes and three seconds. The car, estimated to be worth $45,000, sold for 50 pence (90 cents) and was soon driven away by a buyer who wishes to remain anonymous.

"I am sick of him disrespecting this family for the sake of his act," Hayley Shaw told a Birmingham newspaper. "The car is his pride and joy, but the idiot put my name on the log book [registration], so I just sold it. I didn't care about the money. I just wanted to get him back."

Last July, according to The Independent of London, Shaw upset his then-pregnant wife by saying on-air that he fantasized about sex with her sister. When she tearfully called to complain, he put her on air as well.

A month later, he nearly choked to death when a sausage he was simulating a sex act on broke in half.

A Kerrang! 105.2 spokesman said Tuesday that Shaw had taken a few days off to try to patch things up with his wife, who told newspapers "there is no hope for a reconciliation."

[Bart9000]

....has moved over to the AIDS forum. His writings are interesting.

Regarding LongStroker's post, it is highly ironic that this poor chap's wife is getting ready to take him for all he is worth for doing exactly what presumably got him something (wealth and materially speaking). Had this schlub gone on his radio show and said "I love and revere my wife, respect the sanctity of my marriage, and don't even notice attractive young women", his listeners would have said "what a wussy" and changed channels-no job, no fat paycheck, no stuff etc.

[Bart9000]

If you guys would like a good laugh, take a look at the latest episode of
"30 Days" with Morgan Spurlock (of "Supersize Me" fame). Morgan put's a 34 year old pudgy former "prettyboy" athlete on a regiment of anti-aging testosterone and growth hormone, plus supplements, and an intensive regiment of cardiovascular exercise and weight training. The funny thing was this guy's wife (whose physical appearance I will not comment on), who early in the program was actually acting to de-rail his progress (in an incredibly bitchy manner), appearently due to fear that if he becomes a "stud" again, he will again have access to younger more attractive women. Of particular appearent concern to her was the hot little blonde cardiovascular trainer with whom her husband was spending large amounts of time training.

GRANTED of course (I apologize for spoiling the show-promo's showed some of this anyways) the husband did later develop some health complications, and at that point,the bitchyness was to some degree justified, but early on, she didn't know that was going to happen. Her biggest concern was appearently jealousy and self interest, at the (appearent) expense of her husband's health and quality of life.

[Daddy Rulz]

In these three paragraphs Astor has said what we have all been trying to express. It is "the chip" that drove me to BsAs and has me planning on moving there. I don't think the rest of you would like it because of the snakes and machine gun packing cops but it's for me.

Thanks again
DR

The default position of American women is what men refer to as “the chip,” a veiled truculence, mixed with a not-very-veiled hostility toward men and a shaky sense of sexual identity. The result is a touchiness reminiscent of hungover ferrets. There is a bandsaw edge to them, a watching for any slight so that they can show that they aren´t going to take it. They are poised to lash out in aggressive defense of their manhood.

As best as I can tell, they don´t like being women. Here is the entire problem in five words.

The Asians at the Spot show every indication that they do like being women. They do not seem to have anything to prove. Being happy with what they are allows them to be comfortable with what they are not – men. They are not competing to be what they can´t be with people who can´t be anything else. They don´t have to establish their masculinity because they don´t want it. They do not assume, as American women tend to, that femaleness is a diseased condition to be treated by male clothes, gutter language, and bad temper.

I´ve spent many dozens of hours chatting with the gals at the Spot, and never seen a sign of the chip. For a man, the experience is wonderful beyond description – smart, pretty, classy women, who are women, and are not the enemy. As long as American women carry the chip, the Asian gals will eat them alive in the dating market.

[CBGBConnisur]

I thought European women were fine with me, they're are much different fromt their US counterparts. Even French Canadian women were on a much different wavelenghth compared to AWs.

[ILoveAnalSex]

Astor Bryan,

Great post. I agree that the writer has hit the nail on the head. You know, with all the cerebral Dr. Phil, Oprah type talk shows around, I wonder why know one addresses this issue. Isn’t self acceptance the first step to self fulfillment?

Sporadic, tell me it isn’t so. Don’t tell me the European girls are now becoming fat & androgynous like AW. It’s been about 10 years since I was last in Europe & I have pleasant memories of how the European women were. I guess in another decade you won’t be able to tell any difference between Cambridge, Massachusetts & Cambridge, England.

Magic501, funny post. It's amazing to think that there are people who actually believe that the source of their power is their pussy. I though girls were suposed to mature faster than boys?! Unfortunately for knockout brunette, she will come to realize that by her mid thirties, those rules will change because her pussy will no longer be in demand. I hope someone who knows this girl takes a photo of that T-shirt to show her 10 years from now. I’d love to see what kind of shirt she wearing then, probably a frock.

[Beko9]

Hi all,

It was interesting to read your replies guys.

Granted that most people did not read well into my post. I was reporting on my experiences with Western Women, that included British and Australian, and compared them to Latina and Eastern European women. I tried to report on my experiences with both.

I have NEVER yet shagged a USA woman, and did not claimed so in the post The closest I guess, was a Canadian (French) and the experience was not that bad.

Although, I a have travelled on varios ocassions to the USA, I was accompanied, thus did not had a chance to try pullng a US woman.
Perhaps I should add it to my hot-list of nationalities that I still have to shag.

It was very interesting to read about guys reporting that an American Woman never pays. Is it really so? She would never split the bill, even if she earns more than you? I lived in Wester Europe for many years, and even my long-term girfriends were happy to pay their half after years, of dating. In fact, personally I would only pay for a woman if I know that she has no money or earns considerably less than me. If she earns same as me, or more than me, I EXPECT 50/50 sharing of costs.

[Cyberdas]

Interesting article about not marrying in general, even though it doesn't directly specify AW, it is obvious that they're the ones it makes reference to (and applies perfectly too).

By Fred Reed



Were a young man to ask me, "To marry perchance, or remain forever single?" I would, given the hostile circumstances today of law and love, urge caution. "Marriage is a commitment of several years of your life, plus child support," I would say. "Do not make it rashly."

The question is simply, "Why marry?" As a young man full of dangerous steroids, your answer will probably be, "Ah, because her hair is like corn silk under an August moon; her lips are as rubies and her teeth, pearls; and her smile would make a dead man cry." This amounts to, "I'm horny," with elaborations. It is as it ought to be. The race continues because maidens are glorious, and striplings both desperate and unwise.

Note, incidentally, that by the time October rolls around, corn silk is shriveled and brown.

Why marry, indeed? In times past, marriage occasionally made sense. Life on a farm required two people, a woman to work herself ragged in the cabin while the man carried heavy lumpish things and shot Indians. Later, come suburbia, the man did something tedious in an office and the woman did two hours housework and stayed bored for six. It worked, tolerably. In the Fifties, nobody expected much of life. It generally met their expectations.

And there was sex, though not enough of it -- the scarcity being the propellant behind matrimony. Back then, before the miracle of feminism, women had not yet commoditized themselves. A lad had to pop the question before he got laid regular. Women controlled the carnal economy and, in a world that was going to be boring anyway, that was probably a good thing. At least kids had parents.

Times change. Some advice to young fellows setting forth:

First, forget that her lips are sweet as honeydew melon (though not, of course, green). It doesn't last. One of nature's more disagreeable tricks is that while men are far uglier than women, they age better. Remember this. It is useful to reflect in moments of unguided passion that, beneath the skin, we are all wet bags of unpleasant organs.

Soon you will be a balding sofa ornament and she will look like a fireplug with cellulite. Once the packaging deteriorates, there had better be something to get you through the next thirty years. Usually there isn't.

Prospects have improved for the single of both genders. Sex is nowadays always available. If you don't marry Moon Pie, which would be wise, you may get another chance when she comes back on the market with the first wave of divorcees. It's never now-or-never. Getting older doesn't diminish your opportunities. As you gain experience, you will recognize the tides, the eddies, the whirlpools of coupling -- the urgency of the biological clock, the lunacy of menopause. Men by comparison embody a wonderful clod-like simplicity.

As you ponder snuggling forever with Moon Pie, compare the lives of your bachelor and your married friends. The bachelors come and go as the mood strikes them, order their apartments with squalid abandon, drive Miatas or Harleys if they choose, and live in such pleasant dissolution as is consonant with continued employment. The married guy lives in a vast echoing mortgage beyond his means, drives sensible cars he doesn't like, and loses his old friends because he isn't allowed to hang out with them.

Self-help books to the contrary, marriage does not rest on compromises, but on concessions. You will make all of them. Perhaps it doesn't have to be this way. But it is this way.

Moon Pie has only one reason for marriage: to get her legal hooks into you. She doesn't think of it in these terms, yet, and she has no evil intentions. She just wants a nice quiet home in the remote suburbs where she can live uneventfully, raise progeny, and keep her eye on you.

If you think surveillance isn't part of the contract, try going out late with your old buddies. Marriage is an institution founded on mistrust. If she thought you would stick around if not compelled, she wouldn't need marriage. She wants monogamy, at least for you and, with some frequency, for herself. She knows viscerally that you would prefer the amorous insouciance of an oversexed alley cat. You know it consciously. Marriage exists to control the male, until recently a good idea. Now, however, she can support herself, and doesn't need protection. She doesn't need you, or you, her.

She will, however, want to have children. Women do. At which point, God help you.

Given the schools, drugs, latch-keyism consequent first to working parents and then to divorce, and the cultural pressure on children to be slatterns and dope-dealers, reproduction is a gamble. You may not even particularly like them, or they, you. Nobody talks about this, but how many people do you know who hardly talk to their grown children?

And you've just tied yourself into twenty years of raising them.

The moment Junior enters wherever it is that we are, Moon Pie will have you screwed to the wall. She won't think of it this way, yet. She'll be delighted with the cooing bundle of joy, his little fingers, his little toes, etc. But divorce usually comes. The chances are two to one that she will file: Women are more eager than men to enter marriage, and more eager to leave it -- with the kids, the house, and the child support. It won't be amicable, not after seven years. You will be astonished at how ruthless she will be, how well she knows the law, and how utterly hostile to divorcing fathers the law is.

You don't understand how bad the divorce courts are. You probably don't know what "imputed income" is. You think that "joint custody" means "joint custody." Think again. Quite possibly you will have to support her while she moves with your kids to Fukuoka with an Air Force colonel she met in a meat bar.

In short, marriage often means turning twenty-five years of your life into smoking wreckage. Yes, happy marriages exist (I personally know of one) and there are the somnolent marriages of habitual contentment or, perhaps, of quiet resignation. But the odds aren't good.

Permit me an heretical thought. In an age when neither sex economically needs the other, in which women do not need protection from wild bears and marauding savages, not in the suburbs anyway, perhaps marriage doesn't make sense, at least for men. The divorce courts remove all doubt. A young fellow might do well to stay single, keep his DNA to himself, pick such flowers as he might find along the way, and live his life as he likes.

[Cyberdas]

Another interesting article by the same fellow:

Sex, equality & kidding ourselves

By Fred Reed



Men of today's older generation grew up in the chivalric miasma of their time, which held that women were morally superior to men, and that civilized men protected women against any available vicissitude. A corollary was that women needed protecting. So common has this understanding been throughout history that one may suspect it of being based in ancient instinct: In a less hospitable world, if men didn't protect women, something disagreeable would eat them, and then there would be no more people. So men did. And do.

Instincts have consequences, particularly when the circumstances requiring them cease to exist.

Because women were until recently subordinate, and in large part played the role of gentility assigned to them, men didn't recognize that they could be dangerous, selfish, or sometimes outright vipers. They were no worse than men, but neither were they better. Men believed, as did women, that women were tender creatures, caring, kind, and suited to be mothers. Males deferred to women in many things, which didn't matter because the things women wanted were not important.

When women came into a degree of power, it turned out that they were as immoral, or amoral, as men, probably more self-centered, and out for what they could get. Not all were, of course, as neither were all men, but suddenly this became the central current. This too followed lines of instinctual plausibility: Women took care of children and themselves, and men took care of women. It made sense that they should be self-centered.

These newly empowered women knew, as women have always known, how to wield charm, and they quickly learned to enjoy power. The men of the old school didn't notice in time. They deferred, and they were blind-sided. They gave gentlemanly agreement to one-sided laws hostile to men.

Political deference became a pattern. It remains a pattern. It probably springs in part from the male's instinctive recognition that, by giving women what they want, he gets laid. Between individuals this worked tolerably well, but less so when applied to abstract groups.

When women said they wanted protection against dead-beat dads, the old school fell for it. They were attuned to saving maidens and the sheltering from life's storms of white Christian motherhood. "Dead-beat dads" was of course that sure-fire political winner -- an alliterative slogan of few words that embodied a conclusion but no analysis. So sure were men that women were the kinder gentler sex that they never bothered to look at the statistics on abuse of children, or the track records of the sexes in raising children.

The romantic elderly male believed -- believes -- that women were the natural proprietors of the young. This led to laws virtually denying a divorced father's interest in his children, though not the requirement that he pay for their upkeep. The pattern holds today. Male judges in family law defer to women, almost any women no matter how unfit, and female judges side with their own. The demonstrable fact that women can and do abuse and neglect children, that a female executive clawing her way up the hierarchy may have the maternal instincts of a rattlesnake, that children need their fathers -- all of this has been forgotten.

The reflexive deference continued. Feminists wanted congress to pass a vast program of funding for every left-wing cause that incited enthusiasm in the sterile nests of NOW. They called it the Violence Against Women Act, and men deferentially gave it to them. Of course to vote against it, no matter what it actually said -- and almost no one knew -- would have been to seem to favor violence against women. A law to exterminate orphans, if called the Domestic Violence Prevention Act, would pass without demur.

There followed yet more male deference to female desires. When women wanted to go into the military to have babies, or a Soldier Experience, men couldn't bring themselves to say no.

When the women couldn't perform as soldiers, men graciously lowered standards so they could appear to. It was the equivalent of helping a woman over a log in the park, the legal and institutional parallel of murmuring, "Don't worry your pretty little head about a thing."

On and on it went. The aggregate effect has been that women have gained real power, while (or by) managing in large part to continue to exact deference and, crucially, to avoid the accountability that should come with power. A minor example is women who want the preferential treatment that women now enjoy, and yet expect men to pay for their dates. In today's circumstances, this is simple parasitism.

Today men are accountable for their behavior. Women are not. The lack of accountability, seldom clearly recognized, is the bedrock of much of today's feminist misbehavior, influence, and politics. Its pervasiveness is worth pondering.

A man who sires children and leaves is called a dead-beat dad, and persecuted. A woman who has seven children out of wedlock and no capacity to raise them is not a criminal, but a victim. He is accountable for his misbehavior, but she is not for hers. It is often thus.

Consider the female Marine officer who complained that morning runs were demeaning to women. A man who thus sniveled would be disciplined, ridiculed, and perhaps thumped. Yet the military fell over itself to apologize and investigate. Again, men are held accountable for their indiscipline, but women are not. Men expect to adapt themselves to the Army, but women expect the Army to adapt to them. And it does. The male instinct is to keep women happy.

Note that a woman who brings charges of sexual harassment against a man suffers no, or minor, consequences if the charges are found to be unfounded -- i.e., made up. A man who lied about a woman's misbehavior would be sacked. He is accountable. She isn't.

Yes, large numbers of women are responsible, competent, and agreeable. Few engage in the worst abuses, as for example the fabrication of sexual harassment. Yet they can do these things. A man cannot throw a fit and get his way. A woman can. Only a few need misbehave to poison the air and set society on edge. And the many profit by the misbehavior of the few.

People will do what they can get away with. Men assuredly will, and so are restrained by law. Women are not. Here is the root of much evil, for society, children, men and, yes, women.

[ILoveAnalSex]

What’s up Siesta?

I think the confusion may have come from your statement that
“Australian and British…basically do come from the same Anglo-Saxon culture tradition.” From then on you referred to the collective group as “Western Women,” which was understood to include AW according to your “same Anglo-Saxon culture” statement. Throw in the fact that the US is in the Western Hemisphere, & of course everyone assumes you were making statements about AW when you referred to Western Women, not differentiating between Australian/British & American Women. Now, something may have gotten lost in the translation. It is obvious to us that English is not your primary language (some of the members stated this in their response to you), so the misunderstanding is understandable.

As far as the horror stories you’ve read in this thread, more likely than not, they are true. Stay away from AW – stay away I say.

ILAS

[Sun Devil]

This guy has written a number of very enlightened articles posted all over the internet, including those in this thread. Just look him using Yahoo.

[Dickhead]

"It was very interesting to read about guys reporting that an American Woman never pays. Is it really so? She would never split the bill, even if she earns more than you? I lived in Wester Europe for many years, and even my long-term girfriends were happy to pay their half after years, of dating. In fact, personally I would only pay for a woman if I know that she has no money or earns considerably less than me. If she earns same as me, or more than me, I EXPECT 50/50 sharing of costs."

Expect in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up first.

[CBGBConnisur]

Now I know why I get laid so easily after date in Ozzie, most dudes pay only for their share of the meal, I always pay for the lady.

[Daddy Rulz]

The difference is the sheila's appreciate it, they don't EXPECT it unlike the skanks here.

[Dickhead]

This asymmetry of payment is one reason why by the third date, you need to talk about the hereafter.

As in, "If you're not here after what I'm here after, you're going to be here after I'm gone."

[New Bound]

I'm born and raised in the USA. One thing that has always astonished me more than AW-- is American men. I simply can't figure out why the average American guy breaks their backs over these often fat, greedy, socially unpleasant, women. Sometimes I don't really blame the women, I suppose any countries women would eventually begin to act like American women if they were surrounded by American guys. I simply think American guys bend over backwards, go way over the extra mile, on many different levels, to give AW an undeserved dose of self-esteem.

For example, last night I was at an American bar. I sat down next to a plump, plain, obnoxious, AW college girl. Nothing special-- believe me. Yet the guys were just tripping trying to talk to her. Buying her drinks and looking her as if she was the last women on earth, and so on. It was just plain crazy. Of course these AW often gain an unjustified sense that they are a hot commodity because the American guys treat them as such. Just another day of American guys giving undeserved self-esteem to an AW.

From a sociological, historical perspective, I find the entire AW phenomenon rather bizaree. Why America? Why over the last 50 years did gender relations take such a strange path in the US? Why have American men been so willing to allow women total equality in everything, yet allow them to play the innocent, helpless, princess card, whenever it suits their fancy?

While the roots to this question lie in geography and Puritan culture, I believe the rapid disembowelment of American male in recent decades is nothing less than pathetic. I can't figure out why American guys don't simply act more like Aussie guys, or South African guys. Gender roles are stronger in these countries, and men, and women, are happier because of it. That is the funny thing about AW, they have unintentionally made themselves miserable in their lust for power, and American men are partly to blame for not having the common sense to keep their silly whims in check. Even if an AW gets a high-powered job, I have met many that often feel lost in their personal life because many guys simply aren't attracted to women who behave like men. It is difficult for a women to act like a man in the business world, then come home and be a loyal, sweet, funny, sexy, wife. And believe or not, very few American women want to be alone, yet this is exactly what happens.

Stay cool guys, good posts lately,

NB

[Long Stroker]

I can't figure out why American guys don't simply act more like Aussie guys, or South African guys. Gender roles are stronger in these countries, and men, and women, are happier because of it. That is the funny thing about AW, they have unintentionally made themselves miserable in their lust for power, and American men are partly to blame for not having the common sense to keep their silly whims in check. ... It is difficult for a women to act like a man in the business world, then come home and be a loyal, sweet, funny, sexy, wife. And believe or not, very few American women want to be alone, yet this is exactly what happens.


Excellent analysis, NB. I think you are totally on point here. American men feed the monster by prostrating themselves before these AW beasts, hoping to get a little piece of pie. But women are instinctively repelled by this type of pussy behavior from the male, even though the media constantly promotes the stereotype of the feminized male as the ideal companion.

End result - everybody loses.

So how did we arrive at this sorry state of affairs? These are great questions which need to be addressed:



From a sociological, historical perspective, I find the entire AW phenomenon rather bizaree. Why America? Why over the last 50 years did gender relations take such a strange path in the US?


Personally, the more I think about it, I believe that we have unwittingly disturbed some natural human social order. Homo sapiens have existed on this planet for eons. What the fuck happened in the last 50 years? Certainly there have been some matriarchical societies in history (albiet few in number and not very successful.) I fear that our nation - and the West - may have started down a path which leads to where no sane individual or group would want to go.

[Rock Dog]

hey guys,

here's an absolutely awesome article by fred reed. when i read it i felt like someone had been writing about my own life. here it is.

marriage, horror, and susan reimer
take horror. it's a better bet.
july 14, 2003
were i to offer thoughts on marriage to young american men today, in these the declining years of a once-great civilization, my advice would be as follows: don't do it. or, if you do, do it in another country. in america marriage is a grievous error.
and why so? because of the chip. the attitude. the bandsaw whine of anger, anger, anger that makes american women an international horror. it's there. it's real.
you, a young man, may not recognize the chip if you have never seen normal, warm, happy women. if you are twenty-something and haven't been out of the us, you haven't seen them. they exist by the billion--in latin america, singapore, taiwan, malaya, china and, last i looked, france and holland. and of course not every woman in america carries the chip. none of them think they do. yet it is the default, the usual, what comes out of the box.
the following is a perfectly ordinary, everyday, bulk-lot example, suitable for poisoning a cistern:
"other than a 29-inch waist and a full head of hair, there isn't much to recommend the twentysomething male…he is living an extended adolescence -- an adult-olescence -- and every immature, irresponsible, self-absorbed thing he does is reinforced by the latest issue of his favorite men's magazine." (susan reimer, a columnist for the baltimore sun. i bet she goes out a lot.)*
hers is the attitude--and what they think of you. it is the defining trait of american women. exceptions exist, and they have my apologies, but they are few and no, sport, your sally probably isn't one of them. they're coiled to bite. as soon as problems arise in the marriage, they turn into susan.
susan reimer is what is out there, guys: bitter that no one wants her (as who in his right mind could?), sure that no one is good enough for her, never having grasped that those who would be loved must first be lovable. understand this: susan is america. some hide it better, springing it on you after the ceremony, but susan is the rule.
the susans do not like men. sometimes they actually take courses in disliking men ("women's studies"). yet they want to marry one and have babies. for them, the contradiction actually makes a kind of sense, because (and they know this, believe me) they will get the house, the children, and the child support. for you, it makes no sense. you will get raped in the divorce courts. you don't know how bad it is. don't do it.
a prime effect of marriage is backbreaking financial overhead: the excessive house in the prestigious suburb, the pricey but boring cars, all that. but if you don't fall into the trap, keeping your expenses down means you can live in alaska or overseas and enjoy existence. there is more to life than debt service. although these are bad times for marrying, they are extraordinarily good times for being single.
now, children. this is sticky. you may want them, or think you want them, or think you may want them. she wants them. my advice is to move to almost any country where english isn't spoken and women don't want their husbands to be the mothers of their children. any country inhabited by the chinese would do nicely.
incidentally, remember that it is never now or never. your prospects improve with time. at thirty-five or fifty you will be perfectly able to find a good woman if you know where to look. see above list.
remember also that these are not good times for having children in america. it is almost irresponsible. the schools are scholastically poor, drug-ridden, given chiefly to political indoctrination, and hostile to male children. the universities are little better. divorce is hell on children and their fathers, and nearly universal. the country lunges to police-statedom and isn't, i suspect, as stable as it might be. worse, worst, there is susan reimer. her name is legion, and she seeps everywhere, like the effluvium of unwashed socks.
further, there is no social duty to have children. some argue that the white population is in decline. tough. if the country chooses to make having kids undesirable, then let it decline. it is not your problem.
now, you might well wonder, why are american women carrying the chip? practically, it doesn't matter: they do carry it, and will continue. still, it is partly because from birth they are fed the notion that they have been oppressed, battered, cheated, deprived, harassed, used as sex objects, not used as sex objects, on and on. being rational, you are perhaps inclined to point out that never has a female population been less any of these things, but don't bother. it will have no effect. the chip is an emotional artifact to which they respond emotionally.
the bedrock of the attitude is that everything is the man's fault. wonders reimer, "what is the answer, especially if the 20- and 30-year-old male is such poor marriage material?" she does not wonder, "if i am such a grindingly awful termagant that men on three continents are crossing their legs and feeling queasy over my mere column, and won't come near me except in a kevlar bathysphere with a disinfectant system, maybe i'm doing something wrong. gosh. i wonder what?"
yet something more is going on, though one does not easily see just what. note that in recent decades we have seen the invention by women of bulimia and anorexia, which no one had heard of in 1965. men made them do it. at roughly the same time women began getting breast implants, which men also made them do, and then suing about it. in the same period they began having induced memories of being raped or satanically abused by their fathers. men again. the psychotherapy racket grew like kudzu, a sure sign of deep unhappiness over something.
all of this is recent. you have to be fifty to remember women who were resilient, sane, psychically strong and, within the limits of an often sorry existence, content. but whatever the answer, guys, the problem isn't yours.
spend a year overseas, however you have to do it. for smart, classy, just plain glorious women who often speak english, try singapore. argentina is splendid. many places are. you would be amazed. see what's out there before you marry a gringa with her inner susan, who will one day burst from her chest like one of those beaked space-aliens in the movies, dripping venom. they're death.

hope you all enjoyed reading it as much as i did, :)

rock

[ILoveAnalSex]

Hey Fellas:

Here's a little humor for you guys (at least I thought it was funny). Here's the link if you want to see the original website: http://www.phillytalkradioonline.com/humor/marriage.html

Enjoy!

Being Married and Men vs. Women

Being Married.

I married Miss Right. I just didn't know her first name was Always.

It's not true that married men live longer than single men. It only seems longer.

Losing a wife can be hard. I in my case, it was damned near impossible.

A man complaining to a friend: "I had it all; money, a beautiful house, a big car, the love of a beautiful woman, then,pow! It was all gone!" "What happened?" asked the friend. "Ahhhh, my wife found out."

Wife: Let's go out and have some fun tonight. Husband: Okay, but if you get home before I do, leave the hallway light on.

How many men does it take to open a beer? None. It should be opened by the time she brings it to the couch.

A man rushes into his house and yells to his wife, "Martha, pack up your things! I just won the California lottery!" "Shall I pack for warm weather or cold?!" "I don't care, just so long as you're out of the house by noon!"

Women will never be equal to men until they can walk down the street bald and still think they are beautiful.

I haven't spoken to my wife for 18 months. I don't like to interrupt her.

A man without a woman is like a fish without a bicycle.

If your wife and a lawyer were drowning and you had to choose, would you go to lunch or to a movie?

A man is incomplete until he is married. After that, he's finished.

Marriage is a three ring circus: 1. engagement ring 2. wedding ring 3. suffering

Before marriage, a man yearns for the woman he loves. After marriage, the "y" becomes silent.

A man meets a genie. The genie tells him he can have whatever he wants provided that his mother-in-law gets double. The man thinks for a moment and then says, "OK, give me a million dollars and beat me half to death."

A little boy asked his father, "Daddy, how much does it cost to get married?" His father replied, "I don't know, son, I'm still paying for it."

A couple was having a discussion about family finances. Finally the husband exploded, "If it weren't for my money, the house wouldn't be here!"

The wife replied, "My dear, if it weren't for your money, I wouldn't be here."

A man's credit card was stolen but he decided not to report it, because the thief was spending less than his wife did.

Boring husband: "Honey, why are you wearing your wedding ring on the wrong finger?" Bored wife: "Because I married the wrong man!"

First Guy (proudly): "My wife's an angel!" Second Guy: "You're lucky, mine's still alive."

Marriage is grand, and divorce is about 10 grand.

Married life is very frustrating. In the first year of marriage, the man speaks and the woman listens. In the second year, the woman speaks and the man listens. In the third year, they both speak and the neighbors listen.

When a man opens the door of his car for his wife, you can be sure of one thing: either the car is new or the wife is.

Before marriage, a man will lie awake all night thinking about something she said. After marriage, he will fall asleep before she's finished."


Men vs. Women:

A successful man is one who makes more money than his wife can spend.

A successful woman is one who can find such a man.


The Style: Men wake up as good-looking as they went to bed.

Women somehow deteriorate during the night.


A man is a person who will pay two dollars for a one-dollar item he wants.

A woman will pay one dollar for a two-dollar item that she doesn't want.


To be happy with a man you must understand him a lot and love him a little.

To be happy with a woman you must love her a lot and not try to understand her at all.


Marriage: A woman marries a man expecting he will change, but he doesn't.

A man marries a woman expecting that she won't change and she does.


Men marry because they are tired.

Women marry because they are curious. Both are disappointed.


A woman worries about the future until she gets a husband, while...

A man never worries about the future until he gets a wife.


A woman will always cherish the memory of the man who wanted to marry her;

A man, of the woman who he didn't.


There are two times when a man doesn't understand a woman - before marriage and after marriage

Husbands: Only two things are necessary to keep one's wife happy. One is to let her think she is having her own way, and the other is to let her have it.

Married men live longer than single men, But married men are a lot more willing to die.

Any married man should forget his mistakes - no use two people remembering the same thing.

The Battle: A woman has the last word in any argument. Anything a man says after that is the beginning of a new argument.

[Akibono]

For those of you who think Asian women are different, I direct you to the term "dragon lady." She is every bit a full blooded American woman. Freed from the shackles of her Asian roots she will exploit every opportunity to be his equal or better.

Those who appear sweet and differential are only manipulating behind the scenes. They make the male think he is in control while she wields power only Hillary Clinton and Nancy Reagan can appreciate.

[Sinanju Master]

Akibono, I think the acronym you used is key... Asian American Women. When the guys here contributed their positive comments about Asian Women, I THINK it was in regards to Asian Women who still live in their native countries, and therefore, do NOT have the predatory nature of American Women. HOWEVER, if you have observed OTHERWISE about the women who live in their native countries, it wouldn't be the FIRST (or the LAST) time I was wrong. Myself, since my recent trip to the Philippines, I've developed a HEALTHY attraction to them. From what I've been reading, Japanese and Korean chicks think they are at the top of the food chain and have a similar attitude to AW's. I'm still attracted to them, but wary now of the possible attitude. Next on down are the Chinese (some VERY hot flight attendants I saw on my trip TO and BACK from the Fils) and Filipinas. The BEST advice: nip any rebellion in the bud (tactfully) BEFORE it takes place and thrives.

[New Bound]

Akibono, that was a great post, I totally agree. It is funny because this exact subject had been on my mind for some time.

Ok, question for the guys:

Question: What has a more unpleasant, bitter, stuck-up attitude, anger, and pent up aggresson towards men than an American women (born and raised in the US)?

Answer: A femi-nazi, "dragon lady," ( Asian female, born and raised in the US-- probably with Korean, Japanese, or Taiwanese Ancestry).

This really is true from what I've seen. What is so interesting and fascinating is how AAW not only excude femi-nazi attitude and bitterness, but often seem to be in the vanguard and forefront of the entire war on men in America. In other words, taking a word from the Fred Reed article, Asian American women have a "chip" and "bite" worse than most white, black, and definately Hispanic women in the US. (born and raised in the US.)

However, native born and raised Asian women are typically very sweet, have good sense of humor, and generally hold men in reverance. The contradiction is striking.

True example, from when I was at my local university a few years ago. The AAW would put together these films about how American women had been oppressed, deprived, harassed, and used as sex objects by American men. Their films directed American women to stand up together and fight the exploitation by the media, culture, and in particular men. Then these big rallies would take place among the women that it was ok "to be 300 pounds" and other nutty messages that encouraged American women to behave like a femi-Nazi's. Anyway, I always thought it was interesting how the Asian American women were making the films, and leading the rallies, in the war against men. The white, black, and Hispanic American women were on the sidelines learning from them.

The typical dragon lady one should avoid at all costs in a relationship is -- someone like Lucy Liu -- from the Charlie's Angels movies. A total dragon lady. Maybe you would want a little one hour short-time, but make it a 1 hour limit. On second thought maybe you could do a Vegas style wedding with no promissory, and then see your attorney in the morning for the divorce.

Stay cool guys,

nb

[ILoveAnalSex]

Hey Fellas:

OK, I often hear that men in other countries treat their women rather harshly when compared to the way men in the US treat AW. Yet, women in these countries remain sweet & relatively submissive. These women will work & do pull their own weight, but they are also willing to accept a traditional feminine role.

So what are the men in Latin America, Asia & Africa doing that US men in are not? It has to be something more than child support & skewed domestic violence laws that is causing this power struggle in the US.

Any ideas?

ILAS

[Sinanju Master]

Funny you should mention her. I had her a bit farther down the ladder, but MY top Dragon Lady is Lisa Ling, the "journalist" formerly of "The View". The one or two times I had the misfortune of watching that show for a whole five minutes, it seemed she centered her "reporting" on "the oppression of women". Reporting on the oppression of women is fine, BUT she seemed to do so in a manner that exposed her glee at castrating men to the point where I was expecting her mouth to produce a heavy froth. Leeza Gibbons, is in the same league as Lisa Ling, although this particular subject is Asian Dragon Ladies.

[New Bound]

Yeah, I forgot about Lisa Ling. She probably wins the award as queen of the Dragon ladies. I just love that name dragon lady, it makes me laugh just hearing it. I had had never heard that reference before.

To be fair, the average AAW is not that different from the average AW. The bottom line, if you like Asian women, go to Asia.

Stay cool,
nb

[CBGBConnisur]

I accept the concept of multiculturalism as something that is not going to go away, therefore women like Lucy Liu and Jessica Alba, in my opinion are not Asian and South American, but are hardcore American women to the extreme. It's whats inside a woman's head, contributed by the society and culture that she lives in is the issue, not where her parents came from.

[ILoveAnalSex]

CBGB is correct. I understand that the US is a mixture of cultures & nationalities, but once you throw the "American" identifier behind it, it cancels out everything else.

Lucy Liu & Lisa Ling still look oriental & are classified as Asian-American, but they are no more Asian than Oprah Winfrey is African.

[CBGBConnisur]

From some of the posts it has been implied when talking about American women, some posters mention "Western" women, when they say this they are referring to white women(using Western as a pc term) and lumping them all with American women. I totally disagree with this, American women, whether they are white, black, asian, native, hispanic, or anything else are all the same. As far as placing the blame on all Western or white women, the less pc term, this is bullsh*it. I have been to many Western countries in Europe and currently reside in Australia, all these countries are part of the "West", and have found that women in these places that I have visited contrast sharply with white American women as well as American women of color and AWs of other minority groups. I would take a good caucasian blonde hair blue eyed Swedish or Australian lady over an Asian American woman any day of the week. During the time I spent in New York, I met a lot of hispanic women, and I thought most of them were not friendly at all. When some guys talked to me about South American women I looked at them weird, I realized then(after visiting SA myself) that they were talking about hispanic women living in South America, not the USA. I think if you meet the woman of your dreams abroad, I will give you my congratulations, but stay with her in her home country, because when you bring her back she will change, she will realize who she is relative to a lot of the rather plain and ordinary AWs, and she will develop an ego.

[Bart9000]

Gentlemen,

Correct me if I am wrong, but I was kind of under the impression that undesireable behavior and attitudes are on a continuum, with AW's the worst, followed at a (great)distance by Canadians (less so the native french speaker types), Aussies, Brits, and other Western European countries (e.g. Germany, Finland, Switzerland etc).

Also, I saw something greatly disturbing. I watched part of a documentary purportedly about a woman going to one of the former Soviet states (the Ukraine I think) to search for living relatives of her Grandmother. Locating them took about 20 minutes into the film, and the rest was mostly about attempts to start a feminazi movement there in the Ukraine. It was highly disturbing. I'm sure that by the time that something like that effectively takes hold there, I will be worried about things like not being able to chew a steak, and soiling myself in public, but I could be wrong too. The world could be doomed.

[New Bound]

Short story, I swear it is true.

I was dating a black women in Panama a few years ago, and she stated to me one day, -- "why do American black girls have so much attitude? Are they really like that?" She then gave me an imitation of an American black girl based on what she had seen on TV. It was pretty hilarious with her putting her hands on her hips, and pretending to be really angry about everything.

My response to her was, "No, all American women are like that."

[New Bound]

Yes, don't confuse United States women with western women. The women from mainland Europe are very pleasant in general, and of course a large % are very sexy.

United States women are androgynous, and typically lack grace, beauty, and humor. I'm not speaking about every women in the US, only the vast majority.

[Capt Ajax]

Based on my own personal experiences, I think African American women have the worst attitude of all AW. I generally have no issues with other black women from other countries or AW of other ethnic groups. Simply put, most women want a man to behave like a man. I tend to inter balance my relationships with real kindness and a take no bullshit attitude, this tends to keep women offbalance. I would not recomend this with an African American woman, because she might just cap your ass.

[Sinanju Master]

From the gist of the posts here, I was under the impression that "Western Women" (or Western-IZED Women) are the undesirables who have an overly developed sense of entitlement. They are the ones who would think nothing of making a man jump through multiple hoops under the guise that he will be rewarded for his time and effort, only to end up giving a reward DISPROPORTIONATE to the amount of effort put forth, or NO REWARD AT ALL. White women certainly don't have a monopoly on this description, as I have seen black women (and American Latinas) voice their demands as if it were a constitutional right.

[CBGBConnisur]

Here's some good advice, if you run into the woman of your dreams while overseas in another country, its much better just to remain with her in her country than bring her back. One thing that is certain is that she will change, and depending upon the nationality, the change will occur rather quick. I have met women in Australia hoping that I would take them back to the States, these type of ladies I avoid, they maybe nice to me, but they are obvious visa hunters, besides it took a lot of effort and discipline for me to move there, I am not letting no woman take away the fruits of my labor.

[Domino]

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/07/04/homolka-monday050704.html
This babe is now out. She might be just right for a few of the AW hating losers. Worth a shot anyway. And she is - or was - open to ideas.

[ILoveAnalSex]

Domino, I knew you couldn't stay away from this thread for too long. How's Thailand?

Anyway, the story you posted is about a French speaking Canadian, so I wasn't initially sure why you posted it here. However, there is one interesting point about the story that does validate what we AW hating losers (your words) see all too frequently, which is society's assumption that women are not inherently evil but that any evil act of any women is somehow caused due to the influence of a man. This presumption is what leads the Canadian government to eagerly strike this deal with the devil, only to later realize their mistake. I just hope that the Canadians are smart enough to realize that it is this presumption that allows this type of behavior to perpetuate.

Think about it, if you tell your son to do his chores & you do not punish him when he fails to do them, do you think you son will do his chores? Would your daughter behave any differently? People will always do that which they are allowed to get away with. This is not only man's nature - its human nature.

Domino, I'm really surprised that you posted that story for us to read. Does this mean you are beginning to come around to the AW hating loser way of thinking?

Good to hear from you, Domino. Don't stay away so long next time.

ILAS

American Women Suck - I think Domino is starting to see this!

[Cyberdas]

I found this to be kind-of curious.

My American Size Doesn’t Fit My Asian Clothes

By Thuy Ngo, Silicon Valley De-Bug. Posted June 27, 2005

A young Vietnamese American woman is medium-sized by American standards. But when she walks through the doors of her local Vietnamese store, she balloons to an "extra-large" -- and feels less beautiful, and less Asian.

I went out with my mom one night to the Asian plaza a little ways down from our house. I needed some dress pants for an occasion that was coming up. My mom said she knew of this particular Vietnamese store where she had shopped for pants.

The lady in the store was an acquaintance of my mom's. She handed me a pair of size small pants. My mom held the pants up to me, shook her head in disappointment, and asked for a larger size. We all finally settled on a Size XL: extra-large.

I felt so humiliated. Here I was with my mom, in this Vietnamese store, and she's explaining to me in Vietnamese something that roughly translates to, "Honey, you got too much junk in the trunk."

Vietnamese stores are like huge department stores condensed into one little room. They sell clothing, shoes, perfume, lotions, toys, calendars, undergarments -- the list goes on and on. The clothes are meant for juniors, in terms of fashion sense as well as size. They are brightly colored and meant to be very chic -- which they are, depending on who's wearing them.

I knew I'd gained a little weight, but this situation at the store was horrible. As I remember, I used to be a medium in Vietnamese sizes. I still am in American sizes. At 21, I'm 5'7" and weigh 130 pounds. These proportions are considered average for an American woman. But by Vietnamese fashion standards, my current dimensions are definitely not "medium."

This made me think that I simply am not Asian enough. American beauty standards may be harsh, but at least there is room for the plus-sized woman in American fashion. With 130 pounds being considered "extra-large," there is no room at all for the plus-sized woman in these Vietnamese stores.

That's me: the extra-large Asian. As a Vietnamese woman, I feel I am not Asian enough to shop in Vietnamese stores. Your question might be, "Why not shop at another store? Wouldn't it be easier?" I could, but why should I have to stop shopping at stores that carry my culture's fashions?

At first, I could not figure out what it was about wearing a size extra-large from the Vietnamese store bothered me so much. After all, the pants fit me the same as the Size 8's I gladly purchase at American stores. Then it came to me. "Small" means you are cute and adorable. Small means you are beautiful. Small means you are Asian.

My own standards have been somewhat distorted by hanging around my friends from the Vietnamese association at my school, with their model-like proportions. Everyone is so thin, and many are practicing careers as fashion models in the community by doing Vietnamese pageants. I consider myself healthy, but I will never be as thin as they are.

At the Vietnamese store, I was left thinking, "What am I going to do? I need pants!" I do not want to go on a diet. I do not want to join a gym. We average Asian American female folks ought to be able to shop at clothing stores that reflect our cultures without having to wear the "XL" tag -- if we can find clothes that fit us at all.

In the end, there was nothing else to do. I bought those pants. I was humiliated and enraged. My mom shouting "Her butt's too big!" didn't help. After we left, I told my cousin what had happened. She comforted me by saying, "Don't be ashamed. Booty is a beautiful thing."

PNS contributor Thuy Ngo, 21, is a writer for Silicon Valley De-Bug.

[Speed of Light]

Ha ha, that was funny.. :)

I have pretty much the opposite "problem". I have quite narrow shoulders, and size "S" shirts fit me best. And I am definitely not "small" per se.

And European "S" is usually smaller than American "S", I understand.

[CBGBConnisur]

Don't listen to the pizza man, he sits in in his mom's living room acting as a troll on this discussion board topic. I am having suspicions that he is an American woman posing as a guy. Either that or he is unemployed and can't afford the international airfare and exotic vacations that us on this board can afford, so who is the real loser? I travelled the world, and much of my negativity towards American women is for the simple fact that they suck.

[Bart9000]

Also relevant is his sheer number of posts. Granted, not all of mine have been chock full of substance, but (in my estimation), the only way that someone could have that many (presumably over what, a couple of years) is to spew a lot of crap.

Pizza man kind of half way reminds me of CB's description-loser troll in mom's living room, and then also (unless it is all just a trollish put on), one of those Sensative New-Age Guys who believe that they are going to get somewhere with women because they toe the line and spout off about opression, feminism, etc etc.-and aren't smart enough to realize that AW's respond to this by soaking them for drinks, and then going off to bone a neanderthal.

I found out something that kind of depressed me. An old friend of mine who I had lost touch with for many years got conned into playing "white knight in shining armor" for (I'm fairly confident-haven't gotten the whole story) some slug and her multiple kids. He (great guy, smart and funny)of course never really had self esteem, and was probably thrilled beyond comprehension to have any woman accept him. Poor guy. All I can do is let him know that there are alternatives out there (like hot EE girls who don't care that you are 36 years old with a 44 inch waist), and hope that he comes to his senses some day.

[Sinanju Master]

B9K, your friend reminds me of the old game show "Let's Make a Deal". He "settled" for what he thought was the best he could get without taking the risk of going abroad and seeing what was behind the curtains of other countries. Now he's living with a third-rate skank appliance that he found behind curtain number One instead of owning the penthouse condo behind curtain number Two or the Enzo Ferrari behind curtain number Three. Poor guy... I just hope he gets fed up SOONER rather than later, and discovers whats out there...

[Domino]

If you want to know what the problem with many AW is, maybe look in a mirror. I went through some of CBCG's very many posts:almost all of them were on AW, the morality of skanking or German clubs. If Aussie women are so great, go out and fuck them, if you can, and quit complaining about women an ocean away from you. Get over the fact that AW rejected you for the loser that you are. Bart loser: your "logic: is that anyone who disagrees with you and has a lot of posts "spews out a lot of crap". Granted CBCG and other perpetual moaners on this thread of rejects does spew out crap but not everyone does.

iloveanalsex: The French Canadian woman had first been mentioned by Dickhead some weeks ago when an interesting discussion was, for once, taking place here. But then one of the retards stopped that. I just figure most guys posting on this thread are not worth it. They have hangups about women, and they are social retards who, lacking social outlets, have to come here to biatch about their failures, leaving the fields to their betters.
I sometimes mention this thread of losers to my friends and I almost always think of the guys who post here when I read about violent crimes against AW. Motive is certainly present. But hey, don't let me stop your hen's party. Biatch on.

[ILoveAnalSex]

I did not know about the previous discussion concerning the Canadian, so thank you for the follow up.

When you posted the story about the Canadian lady, I thought for a moment that you were coming around to our way of thinking. I guess I should have known better.

Hey Domino, you know it’s not too late to come over to the light.

[CBGBConnisur]

Oh now I know who pizza man is, he is a homo from San Francisco that has full blown AIDS, and can't get butffucked by his boyfriend Sergio because he has AIDS induced lesions in his ass. Since he cannot get any anal sex from his buddy he has decided to be the faggot gofer for some AW feminazis. Yes its great to live in ocean away from American women. Oh whenever I see a walking human whale in Australia, she is almost 95 percent of the time, an American female tourist. I had the same experience in Germany, a fat American woman(after she nearly finished half of the breakfast buffet meant to serve a hotel with 100 guests) got into an elevator made for more slender Europeans, and got stuck in the door, rather than help her I laughed. Is Donald Trump a loser for marrying a Slovenian? Is George Clooney a loser for dating a European? Please, there are world class women in many countries of the world and I intend to shag as many as possible.

[Hardbarg]

Only one way to deal with a troll - ignore it.

[Cash Works]

CBGB,

When you were in Europe, you must have been wearing fat blinders or something. I spent a large part of a decade there and have to say there are plenty of fat people. The US does however, seem to be leading the field.

CW

[ILoveAnalSex]

apparently obesity is an epidemic in europe as well as the us. here’s an article about a residential weight loss camp for children, or fat camp. however, note that the camp was fashioned after the us style camps, so it appears the us does lead the way in obesity. here’s the webpage: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/397323.stm

uk

fat camp opens its doors
critics of the camp say it could make children feel worse

britain's first residential camp to help obese youngsters lose weight has opened.
based on us 'fat camps', it caters for 40 children whose parents have paid up to £2,000 for a six-week stay.

on arrival at leeds metropolitan university, the youngsters had their height, weight and body fat measured.

one of the group is a 12-year-old boy who weighs 20 stone, while the average weight of the children is 13 stone.

they are to be put on a low-fat diet and taught how to moderate their eating.
they will also be encouraged to play different types of sport and and will be given cookery and nutrition classes.

camp director paul gately, 28, a former british junior athlete who has worked at similar camps in the us, said: "it's a holiday camp for kids with a by-product that they change their lifestyles and body shape.

"they might not lose any weight but they will have gained muscle and lost fat.

"children who are overweight tend to suffer a great deal of ridicule at the hands of their peers.

"this camp will raise their self-esteem so they can join in sporting activities without embarrassing themselves," he added.

camp under-subscribed

most of the children at the camp will stay for a month, some for the minimum two weeks and the rest for six weeks.

although 150 places were offered, only 40 have been filled.

mr gately believes this is because of the cost, which has been partly or fully-funded by the local authorities of just three children.

research shows that 9% of girls and 13% of boys are now classed as overweight.
similar camps in the us have helped children lose up to five stone in eight weeks under strict diet and fitness regimes.

pressure to look perfect

but there are critics who claim that such a summer camp is indicative of society's growing obsession with having the perfect image rather than informing youngsters about leading a healthy lifestyle.

child psychologist dr charlie lewis said: "although there are benefits to children staying slim, i wonder whether incarcerating children in such camps is not just another way of trying to get everybody to conform to the norm.

"parents who might think their children don't have the right look could see this as a quick way of giving them a makeover.

"they could treat these camps as teenage health farms expecting to have the children returned manicured, groomed and re-styled.

"i'm sure if i had obese children i wouldn't consider sending them to such a place. children change so quickly when they are growing up it might just be that they have puppy fat."

but mr gately said children attending the course had been hand-picked for suitability.

he said: "we are not talking about youngsters who are a few pounds overweight. those coming on the course have all been identified as being obese according to world health organisation guidelines.

"they will take part in a range of activities which encourage them to take up sport and exercise for their own long term health benefits.

"unlike the us camps we are not just aiming to get kids to lose weight. what happens over there is that they lose weight and then put it all back on again as soon as they go home.

"children at their camps are only allowed 1000 calories a day while our students will be allowed between 1300 and 2300 a day. the menu includes roast beef, chicken fajitas and cottage pie - so you can see we are not trying to starve the kids.
"parents will also be involved in an educational programme to help their children."
but professor nick finer, of the obesity research centre based at luton and dunstable hospital, bedfordshire, said: "you have to consider the psychological effects of sending your child away to such a place.

"society already discriminates against fat people and i'm concerned that children might see being sent to these camps as a punishment for being fat."

[Bart9000]

This is the sound of me not feeding the pathetic little troll.

[Long Stroker]

From the gist of the posts here, I was under the impression that "Western Women" (or Western-IZED Women) are the undesirables who have an overly developed sense of entitlement.

SM,

Did you mean Western-IZED or Western-SIZED?

Seems like the latter might be a more apt description of the large lovelies so common in America these days.

I guess if you bring a girl back to the states you have to worry about her becoming Western-sized as well as Westernized.

[Sinanju Master]

A-HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I LIKE that one, LS! Western-SIZED.... Hehehehehe.... that's gonna have me chuckling all day

[Mister_Smooth]

I havent posted for over a year but after the last few weeks of being beat up i thought i would share some of the latest here from the EV of Manhattan USA.

I have a rommate here from Australia, a 33 yr old Chinese Australian woman. She is, to me, a sort of average looking woman, not terribly interesting although she does have an unusually large upper body. =-)

This woman, even as average as she is, has been propositioned at least a dozen times in just a few weeks. She seems to just expect to be fawned over and last night at the bar was a great example.

She had at least 3 men hanging on her more or less begging for some lovin. She again turned them all down.

I, on the other hand, sat there with my dick in my hand for about a 1/2 hour looking around for someone to talk to. Nada.

What would it be like to have so many options? I mean, i am a successful entrepreneur, with decent looks, great health, freedom, great family etc, etc, and i cant catch a fucking cold in this city.

I keep hearing that women outnumber men here? I have to be looking in the wrong places. Even the female dogs here have multiple multiple options for relationships.

WTF is going on?

[CBGBConnisur]

That's why I left New York Fucking City, I now actually live in Australia, the women down under are alright by me, have treated me good. New York is a shitty place, its dirty, the people are aggressive and nasty, and you get ripped off for everything. Things aren't going well for you, then leave, who gives a shit if things didn't go well for you in NYC, visit other places, you won't even remember New York after you do.

[Mister_Smooth]

I wish it were that easy CBGB, but when youve got your business set up here, family and friends its not easy to pick up and move to a place like CR. Although over the coming years I may do just that.

Another trend and characteristic of the AW that is a sure tip-off is their ability to cook. This woman here does not know how to cook. How is that possible? Think about it, it means she was raised in a home where things must have been chaotic. How would a mother not teach her own daughter how to cook?

When I meet a woman and she says her ability to prepare a meal does not go past ordering from a local place it is an immediate X in the negative column.

I think it has to do with the total rejection of the concept of the housewife that these women strive toward. The whole idea of Susy Homemaker is all but evil and with that the beautiful art of preparing a wonderful meal for someone else gets removed from the equation.

This manipulative "c-word" that is my roommate doesnt know how to cook at all. She wont do her laundry but yet shes got about 10 hopelessly fawning NYC losers just hoping for attention from her. Its sickening.

[Domino]

http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0705/242170.html

Another trend and characteristic of the AW that is a sure tip-off is their ability to cook. This woman here does not know how to cook. How is that possible? Think about it, it means she was raised in a home where things must have been chaotic. How would a mother not teach her own daughter how to cook?,,, The whole idea of Susy Homemaker is all but evil and with that the beautiful art of preparing a wonderful meal for someone else gets removed from the equation.

Hey, I'm a good cook and so is Dickhead. Sorry but the idea of making you food does not enthrall me. Maybe sign up for a cookery 101 class and pick up a nice AW there. Or do you prefer your women pre packaged and pre loved?

[CBGBConnisur]

Boy, out of all the Australian women that you could have ran into, you ran into a bad orange. I personally avoid the majority of Asian women in Australia. The only ones I have found to be decent come from Malaysia, Thailand, and Singapore. You can't collectively label all Asian women as one entity, there are different cultures in the region, and some Asian women are ultra materialistic and as superficial as an upper class American woman, especially those from Japan, S. Korea, and HK. As far as getting laid, regular European Australian girls serve my purpose just fine, they don't seem to be as motivated to get into gold digging since these long time Australian women live in one of the most comfortable societies in the world . The theory of East vs. West is bullshit, I have met a lot of white women from Eastern Europe, Western Europe, South America, and Australia/NZ that are quite honest and don't bullshit with me and were the most honest and true women I have known. I never go for some broad from some ultra desperate country, those issues cloud her true reasons for her interest in me.

[ILoveAnalSex]

Did your roommate tell you why she left Australia in the first place & did she ever comment on her treatment while she lived down under? Just curious.

As far as cooking, Domino’s article in post #2589 is a good one. I think the article is dead on about all of the pressures pulling people out of the home.

Part of the reason is family life is not valued anymore. Remember when schools taught home economics? Not anymore, I guess the school board feels that home-ec is no longer important (however, passing out condoms, informing kids of their abortion rights & teaching kids about alternative lifestyles/alternative families – now that’s important). Throw in television, pop music, feminism & government, and the traditional family is being attacked from all angles, so it is inevitable that traditional activities would begin to suffer.

Another reason is people are too busy to do anything but work. People say they are too busy to exercise, too busy to sleep more than 5 hours a night, & so busy that they are too tired for sex. Now I don’t know if people truly are too busy, or if people have become spoiled & are just too impatient, but time wasting activities like cooking are no longer high on the list of priorities.

Anyway, thanks for posting Mr. Smooth.

Here are some articles about the busy lifestyles of modern people.

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Health/story?id=868775

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/3053186.stm

[Joe Zop]

you ran into some slant eyed reject.

Gee, and in a post such as this you come off as such a charming racist and so full of overall good will it's hard to imagine that all women, including those in NYC, don't simply flock to you!

I understand that this is the unofficial "trash women and get your overall bile out" thread, but even here the limits and guidelines of the forum should be observed. Your attack on Domino was also over the line -- whether you care for his posts or not, personal attacks of that ilk are really inappropriate.

I've spent time yakking in this thread in the past because at times there's very interesting discussion, but other times this ends up simply being a pool of catty whiners who simply relentlessly attack anyone with a divergent point of view. I recall a post a while back discussing the horrifying conversation someone overheard from a group of women at a table -- this discussion of late could make that one seem downright friendly. Lighten up, guys!

[CBGBConnisur]

Joe, a friend of mine who visits Thailand three times a year, uses that term quite liberally. Anyway I'm trying to make a point on the East vs. West dichotomy. This thread was originally trashing American women, as they deserve it more than any other identifiable group of women. Some people have made additional insinuations about "Western" women, referring to European, Canadian, and Australian women. They use the term "western" as a pc way of mentioning white women. Some have used the collective label of Western women to include all American, Canadian, European, and Australian women as being in the same boat. This is highly inaccurate, as I have found some beneath the surface differences between all these groups. Some have tried to compared Asian ladies to Western women, I have actually met many caucasian women who are perfectly fine and turned out to be some of the best experiences I have had. I have met Asian ladies who turned out to be the biggest dragon ladies I have met, thinking they would use me as a bank account and a ticket to a visa to a more comfortable western country. I think the real problem women are American women, other than that only British women are almost as bad but less obnoxious than their US counterparts.

[Joe Zop]

I've spent plenty of time in Thailand, and I've never used the term, so what the heck does your comment mean? Liberally used racist remarks are still racist remarks, and the use of them undermines rather than strengthens your point. My point is that there are standards for discussion on the board, including not using racist terms and not engaging in personal attacks on other members, and I'm calling on folks here to keep them in mind.

As far as your point about Asian women -- if you think money and potential economic status isn't an important factor in basically all economically depressed areas you're fooling yourself. The fact that it's seen as a normal and understood thing in many Asian cultures simply makes it more apparent, as there's no reason for subterfuge. Keep in mind that in many cases daughters are sent into prostitution because it's seen as a viable way for them fulfill their obligation to support their family -- why would a foreign male be looked at as some sort of special case where economics is not a factor? Social climbing is world-wide -- I remember reading newspapers in New Delhi where families were hawking their "rich, handsome merchant-class" kids to "poor and plain" Brahmins for marriage as a way of moving future generations up the caste ladder.

I agree that there is a difference between Eastern and Western women, and I agree that there is variation between "all Western women" and American women, in the same way that there are differences between, say, Italian and Russian women, as cultural differences obviously come into play. This is hardly a deep point.

[CBGBConnisur]

I changed the phrase "slant eyed reject" to " bad orange " to make it more pc. However the Asian women I was mentioning come from rich countries, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Singapore, these places are hardly economically depressed and match the big four EU countries in terms output. I have met nice women from the former Soviet bloc and they weren't so aggressive about money as their Asiatic counterparts. A Bulgarian woman I met in Germany, earned my trust so much, that I kept the doors of my apartment open and never had one thing of mine missing. She wasn't as materialistic as some Asian women I have met in the States.

One of the reasons I am iffy about Asian women is the way an African American friend of mine was treated by a Japanese waitress, its absolutely unacceptable, if the waitress was a waiter, I would have punched his lights out. The same friend of mine went everywhere else in Sydney and was treated good by the local ladies, a lot of women stopped him and tried to get his number, some wanted his autograph or to take a picture with him. If the same guy gets treated like a superstar by blonde hair blue eyed Australian women, I don't know what some slant eyed twat has against him. I have noticed on quite a few occasions that East Asian people are very racist towards darker skinned folks. This is the same friend of mine who was stationed with me in Germany in the early 90's, who also got plenty of good attention from German chics. I ain't racist, I got friends of many ethnic backgrounds.

[Dickhead]

Karla Homolka is not a French-speaking Canadian. She is from Ontario and is an English-speaking Canadian.

[CBGBConnisur]

French Canadian women are okay by me, I thought they were among the best in the world.

[Travis Bickle 2]

The more I read CBGB's posts, the more I come to the conclusion that he just doesn't like women. I don't think its the case with most of the guys on this thread, but a lot of men who patronize hookers actually hate women despite loving sex. CBGB seems to fit that profile.

Travis Bickle.,,aka Civ2000

[Travis Bickle 2]

If you want to know what the problem with many AW is, maybe look in a mirror. I went through some of CBCG's very many posts:almost all of them were on AW, the morality of skanking or German clubs. If Aussie women are so great, go out and fuck them, if you can, and quit complaining about women an ocean away from you. Get over the fact that AW rejected

Domino, Exactly! I've always noticed with me and all my friends that we quit complaining about the ex as soon as we're with a new woman and getting laid. If I am living in Australia and getting laid by beautiful women, the chances are almost nil that I'll post a hundred reports bashing AW. I'd get over it pretty quickly I'm sure.

These guys sound like a bunch of nerds who still haven't gotten over that Jr. High cheerleader that wouldn't go to the dance with them. They are middle-aged men with balding heads and beer bellies who are whining because some twenty-year-old won't date them here in the states. On the other hand, they refuse to date forty-year-old women that would probably treat them great. Hmmm...how strange a man complaining about American women, when they are the exact mirror image.

Of course the only reason a hot young American woman would date a guy like you is for your money. If they want to get laid they would pick a young hot guy. Its even that way in every country. Maybe in Australia there is less competetion for good-looking women. Anyway, none of the semi-good looking, and semi-successful guys I know in this country have any problem finding good women, and they certainly don't have to travel 8000 miles to get laid.

I can see maybe 1-5 posts complaining about American women: but when you do it everyday for months, a single word comes to mind: LOSER!!!

Travis Bickle

[Joe Zop]

I changed the phrase "slant eyed reject" to " bad orange " to make it more pc...

One of the reasons I am iffy about Asian women is the way an African American friend of mine was treated by a Japanese waitress, its absolutely unacceptable... If the same guy gets treated like a superstar by blonde hair blue eyed Australian women, I don't know what some slant eyed twat (yeah, this is Mister PC all right --JM) has against him. I have noticed on quite a few occasions that East Asian people are very racist towards darker skinned folks. This is the same friend of mine who was stationed with me in Germany in the early 90's, who also got plenty of good attention from German chics. I ain't racist, I got friends of many ethnic backgrounds.

Yeah, you ain't racist, except agin dem dam Asians, what make up more'en haff the world. Puhleeze! This has nothing to do with being PC, it has to do with following forum rules. Being "iffy" would be a major improvement.

And again, you show that you have little understanding of Asians and their perspectives regarding social mores. A dislike of dark skin is not at all uncommon in Asian countries, but it's not about race, it's about class -- many Asians are leery of getting out in the sun lest they get darker, and thereby look like farmers, that is, poor folk. And no one wants to look poor, even if they are, because that means you're from the lower class and are treated accordingly. There's no question that there is a strain of xenophobia among the Japanese and Thais, among others, but you could also take a look at the posts of Meatman, who's reported what a benefit it's been to him to be African-American in Thailand, as hip-hop culture, the NBA, etc., has put him into the class of rich, hip, and culturally significant, and he is treated accordingly. As an American, you are used to a largely classless (or at least transparently, based on money, classless) society, so judgements on how other places deal with issues of class and social status require stepping outside of your natural perspective.

Extrapolating from one Japanese waitress to an entire region is one of the reasons your perspective comes off as being suspect. If you want to just date blonde and blue-eyed Aussies, great, and if you want to have cogent discussions on things, even better, but enough already of the racist crap.

[ILoveAnalSex]

This was sent to me in an e-mail & I got a kick out of it (I know, I'm easily entertained). Enjoy

The Guys' Rules - Finally, the guys' side of the story.

We always hear "the rules" from the female side. Now here are the
rules from the male side. These are our rules!

Please note... these are all numbered "1" ON PURPOSE!

1. Men ARE NOT mind readers.

1. Learn to work the toilet seat. You're a big girl. If it's up, put it down. We need it up, you need it down. You don't hear us complaining about you leaving it down.

1. Sunday sports. It's like the full moon or the changing of the tides. Let it be.

1. Shopping is NOT a sport. And no, we are never going to think of it that way.

1. Crying is blackmail.

1. Ask for what you want. Let us be clear on this one: Subtle hints do not work! Strong hints do not work! Obvious hints do not work! Just say it!

1. Yes and No are perfectly acceptable answers to almost every question.

1. Come to us with a problem only if you want help solving it. That's what we do. Sympathy is what your girlfriends are for.

1. A headache that lasts for 17 months is a problem. See a doctor.

1. Anything we said 6 months ago is inadmissible in an argument. In fact, all comments become null and void after 7 days.

1. If you think you're fat, you probably are. Don't ask us.

1. If something we said can be interpreted two ways and one of the ways makes you sad or angry, we meant the other one.

1. You can either ask us to do something or tell us how you want it done. Not both. If you already know best how to do it, just do it yourself.

1. Whenever possible, please say whatever you have to say during commercials.

1. Christopher Columbus did not need directions and neither do we.

1. ALL men see in only 16 colors, like Windows default settings. Peach, for example, is a fruit, not a color. Pumpkin is also a fruit. We have no idea what mauve is.

1. If it itches, it will be scratched. We do that.

1. If we ask what is wrong and you say "nothing," we will act like nothing's wrong. We know you are lying, but it is just not worth the hassle.

1. If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.

1. When we have to go somewhere, absolutely anything you wear is fine...Really.

1. Don't ask us what we're thinking about unless you are prepared to discuss such topics as baseball, the shotgun formation, or monster trucks.

1. You have enough clothes.

1. You have too many shoes.

1. I am in shape. Round is a shape.

1. Thank you for reading this.

Yes, I know, I have to sleep on the couch tonight; but did you know men really don't mind that? It's like camping.

[CBGBConnisur]

Okay, well back to the topic at hand. American women, to put it mildy, suck. I don't care if they're white, black, yellow, brown, orange(believe it or not I met a person with orange skin), blue, etc., whatever God they pray to, they are all the same($$$$) regardless of their ethnicity. Some posters I have noted had used the term "Western" women as a collective term to place women from all Western countries in the same boat. This is highly inaccurate, because I have met some rather open and friendly women from many highly affluent and technologically advanced Western countries. The facts are the facts, American women suck.

[Capt Ajax]

Here is a true story of mine.

Two years ago I dated a 35 year old American woman who seemed like she had it all: attractive, smart, friendly, talented, single, & no baggage. I could not believe that she was still single at her age & had never been married. She admitted to me that she dated a lot, but no guy had ever asked for her hand in marriage.

So, I asked her some questions.

She told me that wanted to marry a guy soon, then quit work & do hobbies. She didn't want children, at all. She didn't do any housework, at all. She said that she wanted her future husband to work & pay all her bills.

She said that if he wanted to quit work, stay home, & do hobbies, then "That would be a problem...I would have a problem with that." She said that she wanted a traditional household. Yet the only traditions she really wanted were male responsibilities (work, support her, & pay all the bills).

She would do nothing. No traditional female responsibilities (no cooking, no cleaning, no childbirth, no child raising, no second job, Nothing except sexual favors rationed out 1 to 4 times a month & oral sex once a year, on the guy's birthday). Wow! What a catch she was! After hearing all this I understood how she was still single at 35 years old.

I thought about her character, or lack of character. And, I dumped her the next day.

End of story.

[Mister_Smooth]

Well that Chinese Aussie chick is out of my life what a nightmare.

Last night, i forced myself to watch a little Sex & the City, which to me typifies a lot of the problems in America. I wanted to barf at this show.

This show is written by gay men about hetero women. The difffernce is that men in general are more influenced by looks/esthetics than women...historically. It is stressed in this show, often subtely, that a man has to have a certain look. In one scene there was this 40 something dog of a blonde in a shower with what mustve been a gay teenage guy with big pecs, collegiate chin and a full head of hair. At one point he asks if he can shave this broad's p*sssy. he he. Only on tv....

Forget it if you have thinning hair (which most men over 35 yrs have) are a little overweight or arent a pretty boy.

I think this show manipulates the power of a relationship and instills a lot of stereotypes in younger women that they may not be aware of.

The male, "Big", as they call him was such a wimpy, tall and handsome, kiss-ass and i think that is what women expect now. They want a guy who will bend over backwards in all situations to appease the woman. Have a full head of hair and act like a wimp. This show is the beginning of the end.

[CBGBConnisur]

My advice, New York and San Francisco are homo towns, and they are pretty much run by effiminate homos. Unless you are an anal raider, you are wasting your time living in either place. New York what a shithole.

[ILoveAnalSex]

What’s up Travis?

I thought your latest post, #2599, appeared to express an extraordinary amount of resentment. In fact, I was so intrigued that I searched some of your previous postings. There seems to be a striking resemblance between your past arguments & your recent condemnations. This is what I found:

***Then (post #2203/American Women: 03-31-05)***


...they are simply mirror images of American men.

This isn't meant to insult anyone here, but when I was twenty-years-old I did not pick up hookers. Why? Because I didn't need to. I could get all the young fresh meat I wanted. So, now that I'm approaching fifty, and still like to bang twenty-year-old girls, it does get frustrating that I can't just take them home like I used to. I could start bashing American women because one half my age won't go out with me, and say how wonderful some Chilean woman is because she will, but it doesn't change the fact.

I think if us guys were to chase the chubby fifty year old who goes to work everyday and is lonely like us, we wouldn't be bashing American women. We would find them great companions who weren't looking to break the bank. The problem with me is I just don't find them attractive (even though I'm a chubby, greying, fifty-something). I still chase the young girls and in the one in fifty times she actually wants to go out with me, quess what? She's after my money...Civ2000

***Now (post #2599/American Women: 07-13-05)***

…These guys sound like a bunch of nerds who still haven't gotten over that Jr. High cheerleader that wouldn't go to the dance with them. They are middle-aged men with balding heads and beer bellies who are whining because some twenty-year-old won't date them here in the states. On the other hand, they refuse to date forty-year-old women that would probably treat them great. Hmmm...how strange a man complaining about American women, when they are the exact mirror image.

Of course the only reason a hot young American woman would date a guy like you is for your money. If they want to get laid they would pick a young hot guy. Its even that way in every country. Maybe in Australia there is less competetion for good-looking women. Anyway, none of the semi-good looking, and semi-successful guys I know in this country have any problem finding good women, and they certainly don't have to travel 8000 miles to get laid.

*****************************

First let me say this - I AM NOT A PSYCHOLOGIST. However, it does seem to me that you may be harboring some latent psychological pain that has manifested in your writing. Mirror image is a recurring theme with you, which causes me to wonder when you created your last post, if you were writing to the members of this board or if you had a mirror image of yourself. The similarities are too coincidental to ignore.

Understand that I am not attacking you, Travis. I just know that our experiences, even the subconscious ones, have a way of showing up in the things we do today. When I read your last post, I detected a lot of personal hurt as opposed to outward hostility & I’m merely trying to understand the source of your resentment.

I do enjoy the open exchange of ideas & I thank you for sharing your thoughts. I hope it will continue.

ILAS

[Prokofiev]

CBGB,

Thanks for all this important info. The Board appreciates it.

Now isn't it time for your medication? Please???

[Bart9000]

Smooth,

Thank you for commenting about that damned show. I have been meaning to do so for some time, but couldn't bring myself to watch it enough to analyze and comment on it. I personally view "Sex in the City" as a harbringer of the apocolypse, having witnessed groups of young girls stand around and discussing how "Sex's" protagonists "really know how to handle men". Yeah, there you go, demand physical and financial perfection from men while your ass continues to age and widen.

[Cash Works]

I purposely missed it, I'm pretty sure the show premiered last night on one of the networks (ABC?) - According to the commercials, it's about a handful of women in New York (?) trying to "find the right man" via online dating services.

The reason I mention it here is due to one of the clips they showed during a commercial for the show:

There's a woman on her cell phone, presumably telling her friend about a date she just went on. Her side of the conversation went something like "GOD! What an experience! I actually had to PAY! At one point during dinner he was licking his fingers - PULEEZE! - We're in a Restaurant!" [Pause while she's listening to her friend] "Did I sleep with him? - PULEEZE! - I had to PAY!"

I had to wonder, if he paid, then would she have slept with him? I'm pretty sure she was pissed off about having to pay, the "finger licking" was probably just thrown in as added justification for being disgusted.

CW

[Travis Bickle 2]

ILAS, Hey if you guys can post the same crap day in and day out, I certainly can rehash my opinion when I want to. There is really no resentment here. I think resentment usually manifests itself in the need to put others down, ie.American women. I love women; especially American women and have had great experiences with them. I have also had a long-term relationship with a Filipino lady and a woman from Singapore. I've definately had better luck with the American women. I have found Asian women (when they get over here) to be the biggest gold diggers and materialistic women in the world.

Right now I've slowed down with the hookers and am dating women my age and have found them to be delightful. Most offer to pay when we go out to dinner (well, at least every other time) and I really don't see anything remotely resembling the things you guys say here on the board. Of course, when I pick up hookers, I generally go for the twenty-year-olds because they are the ones I generally can't pick up in bars anymore. I'm sure if I were to focus merely on youth and beauty I would probably not have as good of luck and maybe start putting down American women like you guys do.

I bet if you look at the guys posting here frequently: CBGB and others, you would find some duplicity in their posts. Even if not, posting a hundred reports bashing any nations women is tiresome and boring. Get a life!

Travis

[Travis Bickle 2]

CBGB, Why all the deleted reports? Obviously you had something to say or you wouldn't have typed them in the first place. I notice there is a deleted report right after someone had something negative to say about you. You angrily type a rebuttal and then hit the delete button. Suggestion: Have some balls and say what you really think. Travis

[ILoveAnalSex]

Thanks for answering my post.

I think you misunderstood my last comment. I wasn’t referring to repetition at all. The Bible says “there is nothing new under the sun.” So anything that is said, thought of, or done has already been said, thought of, or done before. Men & women have been bitching about the opposite sex since Adam & Eve, so no one here is breaking any new ground.

Instead, I was trying to bring your attention to a psychological theory called transference, which is when emotions, thoughts and desires originally associated with one person (usually the advisor) are unconsciously shifted to another person (usually the person being counseled).

The latest posts had been talking about Asian-Americans, Western women & non-American Caucasian women. Yet, your post addressed these topics with this recurring theme from American Beauty (American Beauty is the 1999 Kevin Spacey film about a middle aged man wanting to bang his high school daughter’s classmate). You referred to only desiring twenty-year-olds; being fat, bald & undesirable; & not getting over high school cheerleaders. As I thought about the latest topics, your response just seemed to come out of left field. Then after reading your earlier posts, transference came to mind.

I was just wondering if you were harboring some deep seated unresolved issues. It’s no big deal. Most people in this forum have been scarred at some point in their life. And this is probably the best way to get it out. As men, we do not have many other avenues; mainstream society doesn’t care to deal with male issues.

Anyway, I’m glad to read everyone’s comments, so post away fellas.

ILAS

[CBGBConnisur]

CBGB, Why all the deleted reports? Obviously you had something to say or you wouldn't have typed them in the first place. I notice there is a deleted report right after someone had something negative to say about you. You angrily type a rebuttal and then hit the delete button. Suggestion: Have some balls and say what you really think. Travis
Well up yours faggot boy. You're same idiot who said he found Jesus in the middle of the cleavage of some streetwalker. Go fuck yourself.

[Travis Bickle 2]

Hey, that's better. It seems that even banging beautiful Aussie chicks has you in a fowl mood per usual. I believe you probably still live at home with your mother and are resentful of American women because mama doesn't approve of the ho'ers you try to bring home. Anyway, I'm going to stop viewing this thread. Despite some thoughtful and interesting posts by Joe Zop and others, this continuation of the same BS month after month is dull. You guys who are getting laid by gorgeous young chicks can continue to bash women for another 100 years for all I care. Later. Travis

[Hung Man 1808]

In case some of you are thinking that Australia is heaven on earth for women, let me point out that a lot of CBGB's comments sound a bit over the top. As an Australian, I don't find the utter friendliness that he does. Granted, Aussies are more friendly than most Western women. But the ***** factor is still there. I've seen far too many horror stories of girls taking off, cleaning out guys totally, expecting everything to be paid for and giving nothing in return (ever), total psycho chick behaviour etc, to think that the western woman disease hasn't made its way to Australia yet.

Sure, CBGB may be black, and american, which for sure should improve his chances down here - but saying that women are stopping his friend on the street and handing over names and phone numbers, well that's pushing the believability levels.

Some of the information he has provided is factually wrong as well. The one that stands out for me especially, is a quote that Australians have five weeks holidays. Well, if you have read the news down here lately, it is quite apparent that by law it is four weeks. I don't know anyone (outside of harsh conditions like mining and exploration) that have more than four weeks granted, without losing pay. The facts are often distorted enough about things very commonly known to Australians, that I wonder just how much he does know about the country.

I hear many times from other women (mainly asians) how sexy and attractive Aussie women are. Well yes about 5% can be pretty awesome in that way. The same with the USA too. But a recent survey reported in a major newspaper bore the truth: around 60% of women under 35 are overweight, and 50% of the under 35's have NO INTEREST in sex.

Run away while you can!

By the way, I have found aussie born asian girls to be some of the nicest girls around. They get the Asian niceness from the parents upbringing, and the aussie easy going nature from the environment. Despite the initial protestations about being a good girl, I've also found it not so hard to get it out of an asian student, and get it better, than the locals.

But your mileage may vary.

[Travis Bickle 2]

ILAS, Thanks for the information. I too, am familiar with King Solomon's writings in the book of Ecclesiastes. And sometimes I think that finding the perfect GFE is merely chasing after the wind.

Perhaps you are right and I do have some deep-rooted resentment that so far therapy and 12-step work haven't discovered, but I don't think so. But hey, I surely wouldn't rule it out.

To you it may have seemed my response was out of left field, but I haven't been reading the American women thread in a while. So my response came after reading about three weeks worth of posts. Perhaps I should have quoted some relevant post that I was ranting about. BTW, American Beauty is one of my all-time favorite movies. I actually preferred his daughter however, cheerleaders have never done a thing for me. I always preferred the more slutty looking punk type chicks.

Since you are into psychoanalysing folks, what's up with CBGB? Now, that's what I'd call resentment. The post he's referring to where I supposedly found Jesus in the cleavage of some SW, was a post where I responded in the morality of prostitution section about sometimes feeling guilt and remorse when picking up a young prostitute who's spending my money feeding a drug habit. That sent him into an attack mode where the moderator actually deleted his post. Hmm...someone that actually has a conscience caused a meltdown in him. Interesting. Now when I disagree with him, I get lambasted again. Hmm...obviously not a happy guy who is gleefully fucking Aussie's. I usually find when I attack others it stems from a dislike of myself.

I can (and have) disagreed with many members of this board (Joe Zop for instance) and have received a well-thought out rebuttal that actually makes me think and change my mind. What do you make of a guy that continually has to be right?

Anyway: American Women Rock, I'm going to bang one tonight for sure.

Travis

[ILoveAnalSex]

Hey Travis,

Thank you again for responding to my post.

Like I said before, we all have issues. I don’t think you can go through life without any.

As far as CBGB, I enjoy reading his posts as much as I enjoy reading everyone else’s. I haven’t psychoanalyzed CBGB, & I will not speak on his behalf. I much rather let the men in this forum speak for themselves.

Enjoy your AW tonight. AW can be awesome lovers when they do put out, although I still say overall, AW suck.

ILAS

[CBGBConnisur]

around. They get the Asian niceness from the parents upbringing, and the aussie easy going nature from the environment. Despite the initial protestations about being a good girl, I've also found it not so hard to get it out of an asian student, and get it better, than the locals.

But your mileage may vary.

I thought Asian women are some of the most cunning bullshit artists on the planet. They're only nice to you because you're the rich Westerner, for them white male from first world country = money + plush lifestyle. From my experience Asian women will warm up quickly because you are a potential ticket to the West and a more comfortable lifestyle. I find European women to be a lot more honest than Asians, followed by Latinas. I have met working class women from Europe, who I clicked with very well, and weren't expecting me to take them back home. I heard similar things from some South American women. Some actually invited me to stay in their countries. Even women I have met from poorer parts of Eastern Europe weren't trying to hit me up for money, even when I tried to offer them something, they would refuse.

As far as LTR, I have not met an Australian woman that I would marry, but many of them are still great to party with, which is okay by me.

BTW, I am not black, I'm white. I have a lot of black friends back in the States. One of them visited me here in Australia, and a lot of people looked at him like they have never seen a black person before. He was treated real good. There was another poster on this board, an African American guy, who was also experiencing some very warm treatment from local Australian women. The main issue is that there aren't many black people in Australia, so for some people its kind of exotic.

As far as Australia's obesity stats are concerned, Time magazine, ran an article last year on the worldwide obesity epidemic. According to the article, the US, the UK, Ireland, and Germany have the fattest populations in the Western world. France, Spain, the Netherlands, the Scandinavian countries, Greece, and Portugal were the thinnest first world countries. In that same article, Australia, Belgium, Canada, and Italy were listed as countries in between. It stated that about 30 percent of Australian women are either overweight or obese and about 40 percent of Australian men can be classified as either. This is nowhere near the 60 percent someone listed below. By the way, the US obesity rate according to the same magazine is on the order of 30 percent, with 65 percent of American women either overweight or obese. I was surprised about Germany because I could have sworn that most of the women I knew in Deutschland looked pretty thin to me.

[MeatMan]

When it comes to attraction, sometimes you have to do things that seem 'mean' or 'inconsiderate' on the surface in order to give a woman what she 'really' wants. If you don't do these things, you will fail the test, and ultimately fail with women.

We humans don't want what everyone else has... we want what everyone else has AND MORE. WOMEN AREN'T ATTRACTED TO GUYS THEY PERCEIVE AS AVERAGE.

Remember, ATTRACTION doesn't make logical sense... Women don't say "Oh, he's a kind, honest, loyal type of guy from a good family... AND THAT REALLY TURNS ME ON."

Nope.!!!!!! never( maybe some)

Women say things like:
"He's sexy"... "There's chemistry between us"... "I really feel something for him"... etc.

And also remember: If a woman feels a strong ATTRACTION for you, then the rest of the equation isn't as important. If she feels it, she'll go out of her way to find good reasons to be with you..even if you're not her "physical type".

On the other hand, no amount of gifts, favors, dinners, kindness, or a good family will make her feel ATTRACTION... at best these things can only make her feel a more "loyal" kind of love. So if women don't like "average" guys and the most important thing is to make her feel ATTRACTION towards you, then how do you do it?

Let's talk about the word "average" and what it REALLY means. As far as women are concerned, and especially the ATTRACTIVE ones, men are EVERYWHERE. They're like cars. Every once in awhile one stands out and makes you say "Oh, that one is nice."

A lot of guys take this concept too far and say "Well, I'm not rich, and I'm not famous... so no really hot woman is going to find me attractive." My opinion, women are far more ATTRACTED to things like attitude, confidence, body language, humor, etc. than looks or money. Sure, those things might INITIALLY get a woman's attention, and there are those women that will only settle for a rich or unusually handsome guy... but this is the extreme minority.

In fact, it's very easy to be seen as "above average" if you know what women are looking for, and you know how to deliver. Remember the danger: If you are perceived as "average" early on, then a switch goes off in her mind, and the game will be over before it's even begun.

Two things:

1) What most guys do that women see as "average", and...

2) What you can do to instantly be seen as "ABOVE average" and, most importantly, ATTRACTIVE.

First, let's talk about what most guys do in most situations (more specifically, what most guys do WRONG). Here are some of the things that I've seen...

If the setting is a bar or a club, most guys will either say "Can I buy you a drink?", "Wanna dance?", or "Hey baby, how YOU doin'?"... or they do crass things like stare at women with wanting eyes or grab them as they walk by.

If the setting is a public place, like maybe a woman working at a clothing store, a waitress, or some other similar high-traffic situation, most guys will ask a lame question like "Do you have a boyfriend?" or "Can I take you out sometime?"

Ugh.

These kinds of approaches can only result in you being seen as another lame, average guy.

Here are a few ideas to try instead...

If you're in a bar or club setting, try asking a woman or a group of women THEIR OPINION on something. I personally like this one:

"Hey, my friends and I were talking and we need a female perspective... What do you ladies think about this new trend of women being proud of paying their own way and buying their own things? Like the Destiny's Child song "Independent Woman?"

Women will usually ENTHUSIASTICALLY join into a conversation like this one. (I personally like this topic because it starts off by talking about women taking care of themselves in a positive light, which sets the stage for not having to pay for a lot of things right up front!)

If you're out in a public place, at a store where a woman is working or some other high-traffic place, you might try something like this:

After chatting about whatever business you're doing there, say "Hey, are you single?"

I love this question! It's such a shocker, and it says all the right things. Most guys say "Do you have a boyfriend?" which is the usual question. "Are you single?" is much more forward, and most women have to do a double take to think for a moment.

If she pauses, I say "I'll take that as a YES...", which is pretty funny and usually gets a laugh.

In either of these cases, it's now time to get the digits and get out. You already know that I'm not a fan of standing around and trying to keep a conversation going for any longer than you have to.

So after two or three minutes of small talk and general conversation, just go into the "3 Minute Phone Number"

Say "It was nice talking to you, I'm going to get back to my friends... (or shopping, or whatever)" and as you turn away, turn back and say "Do you have email...?" etc.

These two scenarios are obviously very simple, and also very easy.

MeatMan

[Sinanju Master]

Hiya MeatMan! I like your post, but I take a slightly different (almost neglible in the difference) approach to the same thing. I've been reading the writings of Doc Love and the things he explained are WHY a woman STAYS with a man she chooses. Most of it all boils down to whether she perceives you as a CHALLENGE. Most guys will meekly ask a woman out without the confidence needed to close the deal. Most women realize after reaching a certain age that they can bend men to their will to a certain degree and will not hesitate to try and do so. HOWEVER, if you DON'T conform to the mold that she has seen so often, she will be intrigued and she will go on the hunt for this guy that has caught her "challenge scent". Myself, I now apply the rules faithfully. For instance, when I see a woman I've GOT to have, I simply walk up to her (in a setting that is comfy for her) and come right out and say: "Hi! I'd like to take you out. Can I have your number"? I haven't met very many women who are used to a guy having such cojones to risk rejection and come straight out to cut to the chase in a way they are not used to experiencing very often. Also, it serves as a tool to weed out the undesirables BEFORE you get your heart stomped on. The ones who have turned me down were barely able to contain their astonishment that I wasn't afraid to go after what I wanted. One even complimented me on my cojones to ask her in front of her coworkers, all who were standing around her waiting for her to answer my query. Anyway, I guess the gist is to carry yourself like you DESERVE to to be in the front of the line while the others wait in the background, never willing to take a risk.

[KnickFan]

Nice post Meatman, but I seem to recall someone else wrote that on sosuave.

[Rock Dog]

Meat Man,

I read your post and it looks like you have a few good points. This is especially true when it comes to being seen as being special or exceptional in some way.

However, you're sadly wrong when it comes to making an approach. Think of a woman who is let's say, a 9 out of 10. She's ALWAYS getting hit on, approached, talked to....whatever, pretty much on a daily basis. I know this for a fact because my last 2 girlfriends and my wife all tell pretty much the same story. Guys are always trying to make contact in some way. It could be just saying hi, or asking fro directions, a cheesy pickup line or even asking them for an opinion on something (as you suggested).

Guess what? They see you coming from a mile away. 9 times out of 10 a woman will know that you're going to attempt contact before you even open your mouth. They already knew it was coming just from the way you were looking at them. What's more, there is virtually no approach they haven't seen..... nothing is original to them. All the while you are engaging in your "clever off-angle approach" they are thinking to themselves " hm, I give it 2 more minutes before this dufus tries to ask for my number."

Imagine that YOU got hit on once a day every day since you turned 17. By the time a beautiful woman reaches her mid twenties she will have been approached at least a couple of thousand times. You can rest assured that whatever strategy you come up with has surely been tried before.

The women do the choosing, we merely present ourselves in the best possible way.

Rock

[Rock Dog]

Here's something slightly off topic, but relevant to this forum.

My list of TV's most annoying women.

1. Nancy Grace. Surely the perfect example of what a woman should NOT
be.
2. Sex in the City. Don't even get me started on this one.
3. Oprah Winfrey. Political correctness, empowerment and self-improvement
refined to a nauseating degree. All from a 50 year old woman who has no
kids, and is afraid to get married.
4. The View. Five loud, obnoxious, menopausal old hags yakking away for an
hour every morning...... what's not to like?
5. Desperate Houswives. Hot suburban American housewives, a good
(though unrealistic) premise. It's not how they look, but what they do
that really annoys me. Screwing around on their husbands, getting
divorced. Yeah, that'll set a real good example.

Well that's it, my top 5 most annoying shows. If anyone wants to share their own examples they are more than welcome.

Rock

[Chocha Monger]

by lorie a. parch
msnbc contributor
updated: 9:14 a.m. et july 14, 2005
when anne-marie,* the president and ceo of a start-up medical device company in philadelphia, first began thinking of having a child on her own, she was 37 and her biological clock was ticking loudly.

as much as she wanted to be in a great, loving relationship with a partner, she wanted a baby even more. “if i turned 50 and didn't have children," she says, "i'd be pretty devastated."

so after about a year of weighing her options and considering what it would be like to be a mother on her own, she did something a growing number of single women are doing: she chose an anonymous donor through a sperm bank and started her attempts to get pregnant, using drugs to encourage the growth of egg-producing follicles.

for seven months, anne-marie, now 42, did monthly inseminations, stopping for a year after she began, and then ended, a relationship. when she resumed her efforts, and after a total of 13 tries, she conceived her first son, pierre, born in november 2002.

birth of a movement
experts who follow single parenthood say more women than ever are choosing to get pregnant on their own, or adopt a child without a partner. but there are few hard numbers to point to.

the centers for disease control and prevention notes that preliminary birth data for 2003 show a 4 percent jump from 2002 in the number of births to unmarried women; nearly 35 percent of births in 2003 were to unmarried women. but that number includes women whose partner may be in the picture as well as women who go it alone.

children’s hope international, an international adoption agency, notes that nearly 13 percent of their adoptions are by singles.

and in the 24 years since starting single mothers by choice (smc), jane mattes, a psychotherapist and author of "single mothers by choice: a guidebook for single women who are considering or have chosen motherhood" (three rivers press, 1994), says she's seen tremendous growth in numbers. she started with eight members and now has more than 2000.

so what’s driving this trend? it comes as no surprise to hear that much comes down to timing. “the majority of women who become single moms by choice did want to get married," says mattes. "the reasons why they make this choice haven’t changed: they want to have children and if they’re not married or they’ve divorced they want to have them before it’s too late.”

for many women, the much-mocked biological clock may seem to wind down all too quickly, especially for those who are enjoying a wonderful time in their lives with good friends, a nice home and interesting, well-compensated work. then they realize they have little time left — and sometimes none — for having children.

“i think a lot of the reason there are more single women becoming pregnant on their own is because of careers,” says anne-marie. “i went to a big-name undergrad school and a big-name grad school, i traveled a lot, i worked overseas. it’s hard to meet somebody, if you didn’t want to date someone from work. all of a sudden you’re 37, 38 and you think ‘i should have prioritized this more.’ but you’re just doing what you enjoy.”

after her own wake-up call, anne-marie put on what she calls “the full-court press.”

“i joined a dating service and for six, nine, 12 months, i was dating more than i ever had," she says. "nothing came out of it, which is no surprise because with every man it was like, are you marriageable? do you want kids?”

mattes, who is arguably the midwife to this movement, says she has seen big changes in both the perception of single motherhood by choice and the choices women are making about how to create their families.

“the biggest change is that people know about it,” says mattes. “it’s not such a shock when someone says they had a baby alone; people always seem to know someone now.’”

women pursuing parenthood without a partner have also become something of an economic force, mattes notes. “we are a big consumer base of the sperm banks. they’re advertising in [the smc] newsletter; i think they’re looking at our growth — and we don’t represent half of the number of women who are doing this.”

in 1998, california cryobank, the biggest sperm bank in the united states, had about 60 percent couples and 40 percent singles as clients. today, that figure is reversed: about 60 percent of their customers are single women and/or lesbians. xytex, a bank based in atlanta, sees a similar trend. “at least 50 percent, and probably closer to 75 percent of our patients, are single women, meaning unmarried, whether heterosexual or homosexual,” says sheridan rivers, a supervisor of customer service and sales at xytex.

women’s — and, arguably, society’s — comfort level with single motherhood has come so far that more single moms are having a second child with donor insemination or adoption than in years past. “one child was the norm for the first 10 to 15 years [of smc]," says mattes. "now it’s very common to have more than one. they say, ‘if i had one child, i can have two.’ it’s much more normalized.” in march, anne-marie gave birth to her second son, henri.

more women who've hit a roadblock to motherhood owing to infertility are turning to adoption. adam pertman, executive director of the evan b. donaldson adoption institute and author of "adoption nation: how the adoption revolution is transforming america" (basic books, 2001), says current trends include more single african-american women adopting children from foster care and more single women adopting a child of a different race or ethnicity, or an older child.

difficult choices
single motherhood by choice may be a sizeable and still-growing trend, but it is the result of a series of personal and often very painful decisions made by every woman who considers it.

when she was about 30, holly vanderhaar decided that if she hadn’t met the man she thought would be her husband by 35, she’d start thinking about going it alone to become a mother. “i thought i had to meet someone — or go into a potentially bad marriage for the sake of having kids,” says the mesa, ariz.-based mother. “i said to myself, there is another option and that took the pressure off me for a while and i put it on the back burner.” (mattes notes that more older women and younger women are coming into smc as members. “we used to see a lot between 35 and 40. now we see more women in their mid-40s and late 20s. some people are very clear that they don’t want to wait until their fertility might be at risk.”)

at 35, with no husband material is sight, vanderhaar began eight months of treatment for a fibroid and an ovarian cyst so she could start trying to get pregnant; her first insemination, using donor sperm, took place two months before she turned 36. “it took five tries and i got pregnant on my only unmedicated cycle,” says vanderhaar. “it was twins — identical.”

at 15 weeks of pregnancy, she found how she had twin-to-twin transfusion syndrome, a rare, high-risk condition that required vanderhaar to fly to florida for surgery — but not before making the excruciating choice about whether to continue the pregnancy. “it was really, really hard to hear the news and be by myself and feel this huge, incredible responsibility and not have anyone to share the decision with,” she recalls. fortunately, the surgery went very well and daughters sian and sophie were born in april 2003.

in weighing the pros and cons of having a baby alone, a woman naturally looks at traditional families, in part to see what she would miss out on as a single mother. some women "grieve the dream," says mattes. “the majority of women who become single moms by choice did want to get married."

but others who opt to go this route don’t think they’re missing much. “with a lot of the relationships i see with my friends, you have a couple of kids and a husband you need to manage — it’s a lot of work to have a great marriage,” says anne-marie. “am i working harder as a single mom than a married mom? i don’t think so. in some ways, i’m working less hard because i don’t have another adult to work around and manage. in some ways it’s simpler.”

it takes a village
for women considering getting pregnant and raising a child on their own, single moms have one piece of advice that rises above all others: “you need a support system,” says mattes. “when you’re married it’s built in — you have him and his parents — but when we’re alone, we have to create it.”

anne-marie moved to new jersey to be near her parents; her neighborhood also includes two other single moms by choice.

vanderhaar also moved towns in the phoenix area to be closer to her mother and sister. “they’re so much help to me on a day-to-day basis,” she says.

local smc chapters can be a boon in finding other single moms, as well as women who are thinking about single motherhood or trying to get pregnant.

“you can do this single, but you really cannot do it alone," mattes says. "without a support system, it’s 10, 20 times as hard.”

[Rock Dog]

Hmmmm, no husband to pay the bills, and no support payments if things aren't going so great. Kind of hard to take a test tube to court! :)

What do they tell their kids on father's day? Makes you wonder what this world is coming to.

Rock

[Domino]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/4714731.stm

Gentlemen: If we agree the lady in question here deserved what she got, what is the best way to deal with troublesome %$^& like this? Also, if we green card a sperm receptacle and she does not work out, should we snuff her or let her walk? This guy was just an amateur but his case and that of his late lamented wife do raise some issues. Maybe he should have married an Australian but they don't speak English:). Or perhaps a Thai hooker? Anything but an AW, right guys? Any insights?

[Sinanju Master]

... is a dish best served cold. If said lady lunged at ME, I wouldn't clock her with my Sunday punch, but I WOULD put her in a joint lock that she'd remember to the grave. After cooler heads would prevail, I'd lay plans to fuck the foundation of her world. Gratification derived from cold, calculating planning is so much better than gratification achieved in an instant: you get to watch the puppet dance to your pulling of the strings. I'm not one to hit a woman if she wants to duke it out. HOWEVER, if she wields a weapon that could take me out, she may have to learn to use her weaker hand for a while...

Quite a while ago, CBGB made the wise suggestion of living in THEIR country (if you MUST get married) when the knot is tied. That is a big test of her character (will she develop an overwhelming Gold-digging drive to move to the US of A and suck the man dry of all he owns or will she be content living in her home country with her new hubby where the streets are NOT paved with Gold?). A perfect test of character? No. But bringing up the subject the moment matrimony is mentioned (from HER) will force her to show her cards.

As for AW's, they are EDUCATED on the means of sucking a man dry of his resources. Just look at any divorce/child custody case. Having to live in fear of being a slave to a witch's whims (backed by a spineless, biased court system) is no way to live.

My opinion of AW's stands firm, since I've witnessed (and continue to witness) close friends who grapple with vengeful, greedy spouses (or exes) whose only purpose in life, it seems, is to cause pain to another.

[Domino]

I like that line from Taxi Driver. Anyway, SM, it turns out female on male violence is quite common and military men are often on the receiving end for a variety of reasons. I know of cases myself and it can be very difficult for the men involved to walk. The Brit here who married the Korean did not know what he got himself into. That is what it all boils down to.
When the Thai thread weas in its heyday, some posters lke Skinless, Tapioca and PurplenGold all get access to the email accounts of Thai hookers, who are an education in themselves and who, given the nature of their jobs and lifestyle, are not representative of Thai women as a whole. Some guys cannot be warned and they get into self destructive modes. This Brtiish guy was one of them. He got in over his head and drowned. Thailand is full of losers like him.
Most of the world's women are ok. Most of us here, given the nature of this site, end up shopping in the wrong places. No wonder you guys biach so much and are so embittered.
Anyone here ever check out the AW in prison sites? Now they are really fun sites and Domino likes to visit them on occasion. He wonders how so many women with such wholesome hobbies and selfless ambitions can end up doing 10 to life and he is more than happy to send on money to them to get them by until the day when they regain their freedom when they can spend happy days horse riding on the beach, going for quiet romantic walks in the woods or making love with Domino in front of a log fire; women in jail do not worry about how old you are or even what sex you are. Domnino finds all of that funny. But not half as funny as the guys who think they will find love in such places. Horses for courses.

[Chocha Monger]

Military and law enforcement personnel are often the victims of female on male domestic violence because it can be a career killer for the man if he retaliates. Apparently, it doesn't bode well for soldiers and cops to disclose the fact that their wives are sharing out ass-whippings at home. How many people would trust a guy to protect them when he can't protect himself from his wife?

Often domestic violence in these professions comes to light too late for both genders. The teacher got tired of his wife using mental and possibly physical ku fung on his ass, he loss it and made a really bad split second decision and his efforts to mitigate the consequences were even worst. However, the most timid of creatures will attack if cornered with enough provocation. In unfortunate circumstances tormentors sometimes find themselves in zip lock freezer bags or as the main ingredient in fried rice.

[CBGBConnisur]

I'm going to repeat myself again, if you want to keep in good terms with the woman you meet abroad, my suggestion is to live in her country. It might be an adjustment but it is doable. This is not recommended for those of us who have careers and family in the US. You will really have to evaluate what is important to you and then make a decision. Its not easy but life is short, you might as well make the most out of it. Years ago, I ran into a woman who I was certain was the lady of my dreams, and she felt the same way about me, I made the foolish mistake of not spending more time with her in her home country and getting to know her better. And this was while I was in between jobs so I had some time. I flew back to her home city in central Europe last year, and got the sad news that she died in a car accident. If you find that special lady, don't make my mistake of hesitating, don't let her go at all.

[Chocha Monger]

CBGB,

Your point cannot be emphasized too many times, it is one that bears repeating. Everytime I see some guy out shopping with a hot foreign spinner I can't help but wonder how long he will last before his luck runs out. A good foreign woman is a dish best enjoyed in the country of her origin. Importing delicate fruit to different climates often produces undesirable changes in the flavor.

I have known a few cases where guys have gotten lucky and the women continue to adore them after reaching the Promised Land. However, not surprisingly these women are cute but they are not spinners with smoking hot bodies. These average women tend to be contented with their husbands and are less likely to try and trade up to a better economic benefits package. On the other hand, the Play Boy centerfold material soon begins to hear whispers that she can do much better.

I agree that one should not let that special woman go once you've found her, such women are an endangered species which is all the more reason why you should never remove them from their natural habitat.

[CBGBConnisur]

I remember a Polish girl I met in Europe last year, who told me that she lived in Atlantic City for a couple of years. She talked about how she loved going to Chilis and eating a big slab of baby back ribs, and getting a big dessert. She said she gained about 25lbs while she was there. Honestly, if you a bring a woman back home, you might deal with something like this, there are other cases if the woman is particularly attractive or exotic, she will get whispers from people to "play the market", in other words look for a better guy with more money and better looks. I have met a lot of women abroad who immediately warmed up to me for simple fact I was American, I even caught one talking to her friend that she was going to seduce me so that I would take her home. The best way to weed out these women is to simply be yourself, don't be tempted to show off or act like a big shot, see how the locals approach the women, and try not to do anything too different that will make you stick out too much. The best path is to live with her in her home country. I have known quite a few people who have done this, it takes a lot of work to be able to live in another country. There are a lot of places abroad that are actually quite pleasant, I'm living in one such place right now. There are quite a few places in Europe and even Asia that are very liveable, where there are a lot of women.

[Rock Dog]

Hey there guys,

Speaking of weight gain, my wife has put on about 12 pounds since she got here back in February. It's true, in their own country, they tend to be much slimmer. It's not the womans' fault, it's the difference between what they eat over there and what we eat here.

I told her that I don't want her porking out any more. Guess what she said? "OK, I'll try watch what I eat", she even offered to start coming to the gym with me more often and has also taken up swimming lessons.

A+ for attitude!

Still, 12 pounds in 5 months.... I'm starting to worry.

Rock

[Domino]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050729/od_uk_nm/oukoe_odd_worldcup_brothel
Interesting thread. But no need for AW bashing. I have met some huge and truly revolting behemoths here in Asia, mostly Europeans and Asians and not just Arab serving hookers in Bangkok. It comes down to diet AND exercise AND lifestyle. Though Japanese are slimmer than Americans, many of them are grossly unfit and have much more fat than muscle.
I have fucked many Thai hookers, including bar girls between 20 and 25 years old. The interesting thing about these rice farmer daughters, from the perspective of this thread, is the spare type they carry, not from having babies but from doing no exercise except bonking. They are picked up at their bar, driven or walked to a nearby hotel, bonk, bonk, bon and motor bike taxi back to their pad. So muscle turns to fat very quickly.
If you read my recent Pattaya reports, you will see I was pounding the beach front pavements Rocky like in the early hours. Plenty of nice, fit, clean living (:)) Thai babes out then but the hookers still about were sleepy/sleeping it off. The hooker lifestyle does not lend itself to a fit mind in a fit body.
Rural Americans seem to be much bigger than urbanites, New Yorkers etc as they do no exercise, except bonking and eating quarter pounders. New Yorkers at least walk to the subway.
My advice, for what it is worth, is to find a woman who shares your hobbies (not p4p bonking) and take it from there.

[New Bound]

I obtained this information from a new Dorling Kindersley Atlas I recently purchased. It contained some interesting statistics on every country of the world. One statistic caught my eye: calorie consumption per capita. In other words, how many calories does the average person consume in different countries. Here is short list of how some of the countries ranked:

Calorie consumption per capita.

United States: 3772 (kilocalories)
Ireland: 3613
France: 3591
Israel: 3562
Germany: 3451
Turkey: 3416
Poland: 3376
Spain: 3352
United Kingdom: 3334
Switzerland: 3293
Finland: 3227
United Arab Emirates: 3192
Argentina: 3181
Australia: 3176
Canada: 3174
Mexico: 3165
Sweden: 3109
Czech Republic: 3104
South Korea: 3093
China: 3029
Brazil: 2985
Algeria: 2944
Russia: 2917
Iran: 2913
Indonesia: 2902
Belize: 2888
South Africa: 2886
Saudi Arabia: 2875
Ukraine: 2871
Latvia: 2855
Nigeria: 2850
Japan: 2762
Vietnam: 2583
Cuba: 2564
Panama: 2488
Pakistan 2452
Bahamas: 2443
Venezuela: 2256
Kenya: 1965
Afghanistan: 1523
Congo, Dem. Rep.: 1514

Yes, the good old USA is the fattest country in the world in terms of calories consumed. It also doesn't help that those in the USA probably exercise less than in any other country on average. Of course their are exceptions to this rule like the American WSG stud members who are always totally buff and have a six pack. To be fair, life is rougher on women then men when it comes to carrying a few extra pounds. Men can be little heavy and the guy still looks fine. For a women, ten extra pounds can look really bad.

Stay cool guys,

NB

[CBGBConnisur]

The source of caloric intake is another factor you should look at. A few decades ago in the 1970's Americans consumed more fat and protein, while consuming less refined sugar and carbohydrates. Have you ever looked at television and movie footage from the era? People looked really slim back then. These days in the US, the diet consists more of sugar and carbohydrates. People eat a lot more fast food in bigger portions, which consist of a large amount of sugar and carbohydrates(notice the supersized soda and fries???). The French, while I am not too fond of them, tend to eat more fat and only a fraction of the sugar of the average American, it happens to be one of the slimmest industrialized countries. Britain has followed the US in increasing the amount of sugar and carbohydrates, even though the average Briton consumes less calories than his counterpart across the channel, Britain is a very fat country.

[Dickhead]

Britain is not a country at all. The United Kingdom (of Great Britain and Northern Ireland) is a country. England + Scotland + Wales = Britain. Add in some islands and you get Great Britain. England isn't a country. Scotland isn't a country. Wales isn't a country. Great Britain isn't a country.

American women and British women are both fat but British women have bad teeth on top of that. On the other hand, American men are ridiculously fat too, and British men have bad teeth as well. And yes, I have lived in both the US and Britain.

An average size middle-age male needs roughly 2400 calories so I don't really believe those numbers for country averages.

I did a google search under "calories daily requirement" and found this (BMR = basal metabolic rate):

"The Harris-Benedict Equation for calculating calorie needs.

Use the appropriate formula for men or women.

Men: BMR = 66 + (13.7 x W) + (5 x H) - (6.8 x Age) = Daily calories required

Women: BMR = 665 + (9.6 x W) + (1.8 x H) - (4.7 x Age) = Daily calories needs

Where:

W = weight in Kgs Convert body weight here!

H = Height in cms ( 1 foot = 12 inches, 1 inch = 2.54 cms)

Age = Years

An example for a 30 year old women weighing 80 (176 pounds) Kgs and 5 foot 6 inches tall would be..

665 + (9.6 x 80) + (1.8 x 168) - (4.7 x 30)

665 + 768 + 302 - 141 = 1594 calories per day!

The values in the above equation are based on averages within the population. Therefore the problem with this equation is it doesn't take into account the amount of lean body weight a person may have. For this reason people who are very muscular or those who are obese may not obtain a very accurate calculation of BMR. Muscular individuals may need more calories than the formula suggests and, very overweight people may need less than the calories needs from the calculation.

The above equation calculates calorie needs for the BMR, you still need to work out calorie requirements for the day including any activities.

Multiply your BMR by an activity factor which more closely suits your lifestyle

Sedentary - none or very little exercise = BMR X 1.2
Light activity for average of 2 days/week = BMR X 1.375
Moderate activity level exercising 4 days/week = BMR X 1.5
High activity levels exercise & sports more than 6 days/week = BMR X 1.7
Higher activity levels = up to 2 x BMR"

[Sinanju Master]

If women have it rougher than men, then why is it that the way men carry fat is more a health risk than the way women carry fat? Men tend to accumulate fat around their middles more so than women, who tend to carry it more around their lower body (the area around the hips and thighs). A recent medical study pointed this out and concluded that from the accumulation of fat and all the health risks associated with it, MEN have a higher risk of fatality from carrying fat than women do. So, sorry, I don't buy into it that women have it rougher than men. Maybe so when it comes to attracting a mate if they have a lot of fat, but that's not a health-related issue.

[Chocha Monger]

I told her that I don't want her porking out any more.



Rock,

I sure hope that you asked her nicely. Bad things have been know to happen to guys in this country after bringing a woman's widening ass to her attention. The last thing you need to happen now is for some American orca to explain to her that she really doesn't need to take your shit, and that she can in fact get as fat as she damn well pleases and if you don't like it then she can take half of everything if not more.

Sincerely,

CM

[Sinanju Master]

CM, I thought the same thing, but I didn't wanna rain on RD's parade by acting like a warning sound on a submarine during DEFCON1. RD, not to be the bearer of bad news but she IS gonna run into the type of women CM described. Whether or not she shrugs off the attempts by the agents of Loki to poison her mind and takes your advice is up to her. I just hope that your euphoria at meeting the woman of your dreams hasn't clouded your judgement.

[Uninfun]

I agree with you that living with the girl in her country gives you the best chance possible. That being said, all the sterotyles about the hot asian or latin girl make make a rude awakening call once your living with her. However, at least you are the greater prize and she may think twice before creating problems in the relationship. It also depends on the type of girl you pick. The playboy stunner is always going to be a problem. Living with a cute/goodlooking girl in her country I think gives you the best chance.

The problem as it appears to me seems to stem from a variety of sources.

First, AW have seriously screwed up expectations. Many think they can bring nothing to the party, but for the price of admission to her pxssy, she has a right to a life.

Second, the media pursues a major sterotype. Once girl recently told me that she ended our relationship from a while ago because she read the book "He's not that into you." The problem with that book, isn't that it discern's mens behavior when they are only warm and not hot for a girl. The problem is that women are taught that men should be chasing them and available for every whim. The Mr. Big from Sex in the City is the model of man the women are taught to look for. Unfortunately, Mr. Big is a Big Pussy and that isn't a man at all. the fact I wasn't catering to her ever whim or chasing her enough. I know it's laughable but seriously true. This girl has seriously screwed up expectations that she got from a book. Other girls have the same seriously screwed up expectations they get from the media, or shows like Sex in the City.

Third, no man should ever get married to an AW without first at least having a serious relationship with a woman from another country. Asian and Latin girls (whichever your preference) who are not from this country, will at least give you an idea how you deserve to be treated. AW just don't have a clue.

Fourth, the marriage laws in this country are designed to punish the spouse (usually the man) who makes more money. It's like having a business partnership, where I contribute all the money and if the business goes under I take all the loss and pay my partner. Make sense? No. It actually creates an no lose incentive for the woman most of the time, to simply pack up take half and have a nice income of child support and/or alimony. There's no incentive to stay and make it work. At least the guy thinks twice before running off with the younger woman, that if leaves the wife, its going to include alimony and child support. The man has the incentive to stay and the woman has no incentive to stay. Screwed up to say the least.

Fifth, AW flock to guys and judge men by the amount of success they have. The more success you have- the more AW will chase you. This, I'm sure, is the same in whatever country you are in. However, the difference I've noticed is that AW think they have a right to your success and deserve to be handed like on a silver platter for admission to her pxuussy. It's this unreasonable expectation that is the sinister problem.

This is a real problem since 60% of the marriages end in divorce and can trigger a huge economic hardship for the guy. What do you do?

I never get serious with an AW. Many complain that I'm not romantic for not chasing their ass enough. I have no problem once the complaints start to cut them loose. I'm romantic to the women who deserve it- which in my experience has been foreign women who've already become accustomed to living in the USA. Why? Well, it seems to me to be the best of all worlds unless I'm going to live in her country with her. Foreign women can get very americanized or only modestly americanized and it's pretty easy to tell if you keep you eyes open. They generally know how to act like women better and treat their men FAR FAR better than AW. If I ever marry again, I'll get a prenup to at least even the playing field and not give her an incentive to leave. She will at least think twice that she's not gonna get my house or alimony if she takes off. If I have another kid- I have no problem paying child support since the money is really for the kid. At least, she will not have an economic advantage to leave me.

Why not AW. Date a girl from another country like brazil for a year, and you'll have your answer,. Foreign women have their problems and there is always the risk of oversterotyping (they are not all sex goddesses by any stretch of the imagination and better to plan on dealing with a demanding and dependent girl). However, the level of respect and treatment is much higher and it's worth it to me. I'll take a foreign woman who can be demanding of my time with her over an AW who has expectations that life will be handed to her on a silver platter any day.

Ive found alot of AW to be very needy and insecure. The ones in their 30s are especially dangerous. Their biological clock make then hunt for a husband and to start popping out babies, and that is their focus. I try to follow the bullshit rule. I don't bring bullshit to the relationship and cut ANY woman loose the minute she pulls bullshit with me. I'll date and bang AW but don't get serious with them- at all. I try to screen out the Foreign girls by seeing how materialistic they are. Some foreign girls have been worst that AW in some ways, but I have met several potential keepers. This approach has worked so far for me.

[CBGBConnisur]

Australian women have pretty good teeth if I may say so.

[Dickhead]

Rock Dog is a Canadian from Manitoba, and not an American, I think. Yes or no, Rock Dog? And if so, why post all this shit about your wife in the AW forum? And what country did you get her from? And was she a hooker?

[Chocha Monger]

Dickhead,

Are there any marriageable Argentine hookers in Buenos Aires besides Maria?

[Dickhead]

María is not marriageable because she is extremely stubborn, and is getting fat. If I were going to get married again, which I am not, and if I were going to marry a hooker, which I am not, and if I would marry a woman with children, which I would not, I might marry Rosa María now that she has allegedly quit smoking. Very smart (so is María for that matter), only one kid, no tattoos (María doesn't have any either), and just a lot of fun to be around. But why buy a cow when milk is so cheap?

I'd rather marry an Argentinean prostitute than an American woman, that's for sure. See? The post is on topic.

[Bart9000]

Something that doesn't seem to have gotten any mention here is the biggest ***** weapon of all: "Sexual Harassment". Now, I'm mostly a leftist, but I have to say that my side really screwed up society on this one.

A. A very good friend of mine just got fired for the above mentioned. His purported "victim" is both a major perpetrator of, and comfortable recipient of all kinds of behavior that could theoretically be actionable. The actual problem in this case (my personal opinion) religions intolerance. Girl is a (highly hypocritical) member of an extremely intolerant fundamentalist christian sect. After a (failed) attempt to prostheltize my friend, which resulted in a discussion of his beliefs (pagan, new agey type), she decided to take him out, but you can't fire someone for their religious beliefs. Fortunately society has seen fit to give AW the ultimate multi-purpose ***** weapon.

B. I also was the recipient of a Sex Harassment "witch hunt" about 10 years ago. Hot little MILF and I happily flirted and played "grab ass" at work. Everything was just fine until friends of the little redneck she was married to witnessed us playing around. He confronted her, and suddenly, I became the "evil predator", who she agreed to get rid of, or he was going to make her quit her job. So she called the company hotline (and "twisted" a lot of mostly innocent behavior), but quit when she found out that they were going to investigate the situation, and not just fire me on her word. Unfortunately, I still had to endure the witch hunt, spending 2 hours with an interrogator, and the humiliation of seeing friends and co-workers dragged in as witnesses. Following all of that, I was COMPLETELY EXONERATED, and found to be without blame, but still, I was cautioned that should any woman make any complaint about my behavior, that I would be fired immediately-in light of the fact that I had been found "innocent", that is pretty interesting.

C. I have a problem with the whole concept. Imagine this theoretical situation. Brad Pitt commits action X (grabs her ass, makes a suggestive remark whatever)-what is woman's reaction? Most likely favorable. Drew Carey commits identical action X, and what happens-negative reaction, followed by possible persecution for sexual harasment if action took place in the workplace. In other words, Drew is exposed to punative action not because of his action (action X was fine after all coming from Brad), but because of what Drew is-a guy who is not considered to be sexy (by most women). In other words, to quote Chris Rock "Sexual Harassment ain't nothing but an ugly guy trying to get some pussy!"

4. I suspect that all this "crying wolf" will someday take away from REAL sexual harassment-some derivative of a woman being deprived of a job because of her refusal to sleep with someone.

That is all

Bart9K

[Bart9000]

I heard the greatest story about Sexual Harassment. A friend of a friend is faculty at a major University. Appearently a few years ago, there was a gigantic, cross departmental meeting on the topic of...you guessed it. Of course, the freaky feminist types were all up railing..."This is terrible, this is horrible, the whole world is going to end" etc. After a protracted period of this, a little old female professor (she was EE or maybe Greek, probably taught like sociology), and said in heavily accented English: "Only problem with Sex Harassment here at University is that it is of POOR QUALITY and INSUFFICIENT QUANTITY". The whole place (except for the feminists) lost it.

[Rock Dog]

DH,

What you said is correct. However, in none of my posts at any time have I claimed to be something that I am not. Come up to Canada sometime and you'll see that we have a great deal in common. We look the same, dress the same and talk the same.

What's more, everything I've ever read in this forum applies quite well to many of the women here. Maybe I'm not an American, but I am a north american. Since there's no forum called "canadian women", I choose to share my thoughts here.

I am sure that many of the guys here can relate to my situtation.... especially how I went overseas to get a decent girl since the women here at home generally suck.

To answer your last questions, I met my wife in Africa last year.... and no she is (and was) most definitely NOT a hooker.

I hope this post serves to clear up any possible misunderstandings you might have had.

Rock

[Dickhead]

Thanks, RD. Cleared everything up except what country your wife is from. But it doesn't really matter, I guess.

You guys do talk abooooot the same.

[Sporadic]

RD, DH,

Come on now, everyone knows that folks from Canada are exactly like Americans, except that they speak English, and can get decent, free health care, and tend not to be universally reviled.

Hail to the red, white and... Maple leafed!

Regards,

Sporadic (American but hockey fan)

[CBGBConnisur]

I one time talked to a women from Eastern Europe who said she like guys with shaved heads or just bald. Something that is for sure with a lot of US women is that they like men with a full head of hair. Some guys spend as much as 10K for an operation to get more hair or spend several hundred dollars a year on medication to grow more hair. Women abroad will often have a perspective that is different from those in North America, it is sometime refreshing to see something that is one woman's garbage is another's treasure. Traveling abroad is good.

Dickhead, I would have rather married a Central European prostitute than a regular American woman.

[Joe Zop]

With all due respect, CB, my experience is quite different. I found from the moment I shaved my head many years ago that I got far more attention from AW than I did before, and that's continued to be true. Perhaps that's related to the "bad boy" fetish many have.

As a friend used to say, it's clearly seen to be a solar panel for a sex machine. :)

[Sinanju Master]

I remember being at a party a couple of months ago, when I was introduced to a woman that I fancied a bit. The three of us were chatting for a few minutes when all of a sudden (after quite a bit of staring on her part at my shaven head) she asked if she could feel my head. I said: "Go ahead, you KNOW you wanna touch it". That got a good laugh out of her. End result, I found out she had two rugrats and was in a relationship that seemed more complicated than the U.S tax laws. I quietly slid outta there....

[Moore]

Britain is not a country at all. The United Kingdom (of Great Britain and Northern Ireland) is a country. England + Scotland + Wales = Britain. Add in some islands and you get Great Britain. England isn't a country. Scotland isn't a country. Wales isn't a country. Great Britain isn't a country.What are Scotland, Wales, and England? In the world cup, England has played Argentina, Italy, Nigeria. Scotland has played Uruguay, Sweden, Morocco. Wales has played Brazil, Hungary, Mexico. The opposing teams all appear to be countries. If Scotland, Wales, and England are not countries, what are they?

[CBGBConnisur]

A few years ago when I was in the States, there was a moment when my hair started to thin, and it made a very large dent in my social life. Some women that I met at work who were initially interested in me noticed it and it definitely affected my rapport with them. One them went up to me and told me "You look different", and they were referring to the thinning on top of my head. I took some medication and it eventually came back. I haven't had this problem since moving down under, maybe its the more relaxed lifestyle that's present here. Stress seems to be a major factor in hair loss. The one thing I have noticed about visiting places abroad is that women don't quiz you about what you do for a living, which is a common practice in the US. This is quite evident even in some very well developed countries.

[Bart9000]

Now I don't cut AW's a whole lot of slack, but it has been my experience that some degree of hair loss (I have a moderate "widow's peak" going) is not a big deal to them, as long as it isn't styled into a way which the man "can't pull off" any more (example, I used to know a guy who used a dork knob to try and cover his rapidly increasing bald spot). I have heard girls say that they think it looks very masculine and they have all heard that it is a sign of high testosterone.

In 1999, a very bald Sean Connery was voted "Sexiest Man Alive". In the mid-late nineties, a very bald Terry O'Quinn's character was returned to the television show "Millenium" (a Chris Carter Production), to "increase female viewership. Then we have Bruce Willis, who hasn't had a full head of hair since he was a nobody bartender.

Like I said, no big deal. Now my beer gut on the other hand is an "unforgiveable sin".

[New Bound]

Women in the USA are no different than Euro or Latin women in that all love guys with shaven heads. This is absolutely true. I'm speaking from experience. I have worn my hair several different ways, in the end women really go for that shaven head.

[CBGBConnisur]

I have to mention Canadian women, except for those in Quebec, are HORRIBLE, with capital H. I'm also including British women, I was in the airport in Vancouver, saw a family of fat people, I could have sworn they were Americans, but the father pulled a passport which said United Kingdom. I have seen some fat women in Australia, but not the behemoths found in the United Kingdom.

[Rock Dog]

CBGB,

The reason why women from Quebec tend to look nicer is because they are mainly of French european descent. Another, equally important, factor is that they generally put more effort into maintaining their personal appearance.

Anywhere else in Canada and you can't tell the difference. You can walk into a Burger King and you'll see big women eating their Supersize burger and fries. However, they don't want to get too fat, so they wash it all down with a diet coke.

Rock

[CBGBConnisur]

Australian women are of the same European background as English speaking Canadians, but as a whole Australian women are better looking than most English speaking Canadian and American women. Sure there are some dogs, but I find it easy to find fuckable women in Ozzie, I would say 1 out of 3 Australian women that I see on the streets of Sydney are an 8 or better. I looked around outside of Montreal, and some of the women were horrific. Vancouver even had a lot of nasty looking women. Other factors are at work, Australia gets no snow, except in some mountain regions in Victoria, they are as a whole active in sports and fitness. Australia is also far less polluted than North America, it has a secure socialist system that provides a healthy normal life for all of its citizens.

[Cyberdas]

What do you guys think?

'Worthless' gifts get the good girls
13:21 27 July 2005
NewScientist.com news service
Anna Gosline

Men who spend big money wining and dining their dates are not frittering away hard-earned cash. According to a pair of UK researchers, they are merely employing the best strategy for getting the girl without being taken for granted.

Using mathematical modelling, Peter Sozou and Robert Seymour at University College London, UK, found that wooing girls with costly, but essentially worthless gifts – such as theatre tickets or expensive dinners out – is a winning courtship strategy for both sexes.

Females can assess how serious or committed a male plans to be and males can ensure they are not just seducing 'gold-diggers' – girls who take valuable presents with no intention of accepting subsequent dates.

Sozou came about the idea after reading about a man in his local newspaper. The man had been paying the rent of a woman he considered was his girlfriend – he was giving her a valuable gift. But she had been heartlessly manipulating him, dating another man on the sly while accepting money from her unwitting sugar daddy.

"It spurred me onto thinking that if he had just been buying her expensive dinners, and not paying her rent, she wouldn’t have strung him along so much," says Sozou.

Dating and mating
So he and Seymour built a model based on a series of dating decisions. In the model males had to decide what kind of gift to offer females – valuable, extravagant or cheap – based on how attractive he finds her. The females had to either accept or decline the gift and then decide whether to mate with the gift-giver – a decision also weighted on the 'attractiveness' of their prospective partner.

When they measured the different outcomes of all the steps, they found the best solution for the males was to give extravagant, but intrinsically value-free gifts the vast majority of the time, while giving gifts of material value very occasionally.

The model showed that if males gave valuable gifts too often, the females would start to exploit them: the males have no clue as to the females’ real intentions in the model. Put simply, the females just take the diamonds and run. But when the gifts are worthless, an uninterested female has little incentive to accept, gaining no return on what could be just turn into the simple waste of an evening. Only girls who are serious would bother to go the distance.

Worthless balls
Sozou and Seymour believe their conclusions about people find support in the actions of animals, such as the dance fly. Males of this species give worthless cotton balls to entice partners into mating – and they work – although other scientists interpret this as male trickery.

Alison Lenton, a social psychologist at the University of Edinburgh, UK, questions some of the model’s assumptions, however. For example, one assumption is that females obtain a negative outcome for accepting an unattractive, though committed, male. Women have been shown to prioritise traits associated with good parental care above physical attractiveness, she says.

The model also fails to take the potential effects of cheating females into account. “Some female birds raise their chicks with a 'nice' male and engage in short-term copulations with an attractive male - there is similar evidence among humans. In this way, females may get the best of both worlds.”

And what is more, says Lenton, psychologists have found that experiential purchases – like theatre tickets – make people more happy in the long run than material purchases. "I do not necessarily agree that theatre tickets are 'worthless'," she says.

Journal reference: Proceedings of the Royal Society B (DOI: 10.1098/rspb.2005.3152)

[Sinanju Master]

I think that article was interesting, but I think that in the beginning, if the woman DOESN'T have enough interest in you, it ain't gonna work PERIOD. IF she has enough interest level in the beginning that would make her decide to keep you around, then the gifts (in moderation) would work. If she has LESS THAN a practical amount of interest level in you and you give her gifts ANYWAY, then she's just biding her time with you until a more interesting candidate comes along.

[GettingTang]

i have no way of knowing if this is true, but i read on a rumor mill site, that the wsg had been busted and secretly taken over by le and international le agencies too. they basically have everyone's ip and are running a huge sting operation. this supposedly happened during the time it was shut down for a few weeks then brought back up under a different host, server and location?!?!?

it does make sense if you think about it. can anyone substantiate this? after all, there is a lot of shit on this forum from endless information to people having sex with **** girls, to hiv infected mongers going bareback, to groups and individuals promoting prostitution, which is illegal in any capacity. simply referring another to prostitute is in violation under many states law's under the "aiding prostitution" statutes. these are very vague in their orientation, but could be interpreted as aiding prostitution, by what goes on in these forums. not to mention posting photos of innocent people and indicating they are prostitutes. this is grounds for huge slanderous , liabel, damages suits at the very least. once a suit is filed on behalf of the photos taken, then le can access your information in a heartbeat. i know jackson keeps ips, and states he would never give them up, but trust me, if le wants your ip from posting here............they already have it.

i ask this questions out of concern only. i will try and locate the rumor mill site that had the postings about this.

[Rock Dog]

Tang,

That sounds way too paranoid to me. Even if it was true, the defense lawyers would be having a field day!

More likely the rumor itself was initiated by a competing website, or by one of the many losers who has been banned from this one.

Rock

[Sinanju Master]

... besides, there would be issues such as extradition and other related stuff that wouldn't be worth a prosecutor's time for such "small" crimes...

[Smut Villain]

This post is a damn good read. It should be called "The Men's Bible":

http://www.the-niceguy.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=5425&st=0

[Chocha Monger]

men as beasts of burden

marty nemko

there are five widows for every widower.

kevin, 37, is a computer programmer, making $80,000 a year, $48,000 after taxes. his wife, lisa, stays home to take care of their two-year old. she is pregnant with another child, and eager for them to buy a home. kevin doesn’t like being a programmer, but fears that a career change will mean a salary cut.

i asked kevin, “is owning a home important to you?” he replied, “it’s very important to lisa.” i asked him how he felt about having the second child. he sighed, “okay, but lisa really wants it.”

i asked, “when you first called me, you said you feel the stress is killing you. should you be shouldering all the family’s financial responsibilities?” he pursed his lips: “lisa reminds me that before we got married, i agreed to have two kids. she says, and i guess i agree, that to bring our kids up right and maintain a home is a full-time job. and she doesn’t have my earning capacity.” kevin rubbed his head.

over the past 17 years, i have been career coach to 1,500 middle and upper class women and to 500 middle-to-upper class men. because of our relationships’ confidentiality, i have learned much about what women really think on a number of issues.

most surprising to me, is that at least half of the women, including many graduates of elite colleges, either don’t want an income-earning job or will only work part-time in an unusually pleasant job.

a recent new york times article suggests that my clients are not an anomaly. it reported that the number of stay-at-home moms has increased 13 percent in less than a decade, and among working women, 2/3 work part-time. this is true even of graduates of prestigious colleges, women who were bestowed a fiercely competed-for slot at an elite college on the assumption they would use that coveted degree to make a big difference in the world.

few of those women’s application essays indicated they planned to be housewives. yet among stanford’s class of ’81, in just their first decade after graduation, 57 percent of mothers spent at least a year at home full-time. one in four stayed home full-time for three or more years. a survey of the women from the harvard business school classes of 1981, 1985, and 1991 found that only 38 percent of all women—even if childless--were working full time. and beyond the elite colleges, among white men, 95% of all mbas in the u.s. work full time, while the number for white women was just 67 percent.

and “full-time” doesn’t mean the same for men and women. among my 1,500 female clients and many friends, very few are willing to sacrifice work/life balance to work the 60+ hours a week it normally takes to rise to the top of a profession.

yet women’s groups complain that women are “underrepresented” in the power professions: senior executives, professors, etc., because of a glass ceiling they claim is erected by men.

of course, there are many ambitious, achieving women who are men’s equals or superiors. but many of my female clients and friends prefer the life of a housewife, perhaps augmented by a pleasant little part-time job, even if it means their husband, whom they claim to love, must work long, hard hours on jobs few women would consider. for example, the vast majority of people who work in iron foundries, coalmines, and other clanging, polluted environments are men. according to the united states bureau of labor statistics, 92 percent of workplace deaths occur to men.

dan, a client of mine (name changed) avoided breathing carcinogenic air, but his life is still at risk. he has two masters degrees in counseling, but in the big city, where it seems there’s a therapist under every rock, hasn’t been able to land a job as a counselor. he has a few private clients, which in total earn him $6,000 a year. he adds $8,000 as a mock patient in a medical school, and at night, dan, 54, moonlights as a waiter at a large restaurant. he says, “it’s almost ¼ mile from the kitchen to the farthest table, so when i get home at one in the morning, i’m exhausted. but i’m still so wired, i need a couple of glasses of wine to get to sleep. if i’m lucky, i get five hours of sleep before i have to get up again.”

dan’s wife denise, a cornell graduate, is 47 and says she’s a musician. but in their years together, her net income has averaged just $800 a year. when dan encourages denise to get a job that pays, she objects:“ but i love being a musician. i’m trying to make a living at it.” he keeps urging her to get a paying job, but after a while, he gives up. he can’t make her get a job.

meanwhile, dan continues to drag himself through life like an ox yoked to a plow, a beast of burden. “i don’t know how long i can keep this up.” statistically, he’s right. medical science is unequivocal that stress and overwork kills. no doubt, that contributes to their being five widows for every widower.

to be fair, many men prefer their wives to stay home, but often, the impetus comes from the woman. many women use dubious arguments to convince their husbands that they should have, at most, a part-time job:

it’s better for the children. yes, on average, kids with a stay-at-home-mom do somewhat better, but that is largely because couples that can afford to have mom staying at home are, on average, from a higher socioeconomic class, which confers many other benefits on the child.

a number of studies indicate that being a working mom doesn't hurt and may even help the child. for example, the most recent study (july 2003) caring and counting: the impact of mothers' employment on family relationships by tracey reynolds, claire callender and rosalind edwards, reports, "...the mother's work had a positive impact on their family relationships. the mother's employment provided skills and resources that meant they could meet their children's emotional, developmental and material needs better. their relationship with their partner was enhanced because they shared the financial burden of providing for their family and had more common interests." the book, ask the children, is based on in-depth interviews with 600 parents and more than 1,000 children in the third through twelfth grades from diverse backgrounds. it found that "having a working mother is not predictive of how children assess their mothers' parenting skills, based on a number of attributes strongly linked to children's healthy development and school success. these include 'being someone i can go to when i am upset' and 'knowing what is really going on in my life.'" this study's results were reported to the public in a cover story in working mother magazine called "hey moms, drop the guilt!" millions of children with working moms do just fine. what counts most is quality time: reasonably consistent, loving, limit-setting but not punitive parenting, even if it begins after the workday.

lest you think i haven’t practiced what i preach, my wife went back to work full-time, nine weeks after our daughter was born, and she turned out just fine: well-adjusted, voted ucla’s outstanding undergraduate student, whereafter she got a white house internship, after which she went to yale law school, is now a successful attorney and about to marry a wonderful guy.

and even if a child accrues some advantage from having a stay-at-home mom, that advantage is usually more than outweighed by the pressure added to the husband’s life and the lifestyle decrement that comes from the lack of a second income. one such decrement is that men who must earn all the family income are precluded from considering rewarding but not lucrative careers such as teaching, and most jobs in non-profits, the arts, journalism, etc.

adding to the unfairness, women, on average, are more motivated than their husbands to have children to begin with. the man is often pressured, subtly or not subtly, into parenthood, with all its added financial and time demands.

taking care of the kids and home is a full-time job. these women stretch homemaking into a full-time job with activities far less beneficial than a second income to the family and certainly to her husband’s health and quality of life: preparing home-cooked dinners most nights, sitting with other moms watching a playgroup when a babysitter could do that, etc.

being a homemaker is at least as stressful as being in the work world. these women point to their having to deal with a frequently crying baby or claim that being at home is a three-ring circus. but fact is, a significant percentage of many stay-at-home moms' days are spent on low-stress tasks such as supermarket shopping, playing with the baby, making dinner, and chatting with friends while baby is napping.

that life is much less stressful than most out-of-home jobs, which are filled with unpredictable commutes, ever increasing workloads because of the relentless downsizing, bosses with unrealistic expectations, co-workers who don’t pull their weight, and tough tasks, which if not completed satisfactorily can result in criticism or even firing.

i don’t have your earning power. dr. warren farrell’s research debunks the flawed research that claims women earn 79 cents on the dollar. when controlled for hours on the job, performance evaluations, and years of experience, women earn $1.01 for every dollar men earn.

and the reason women have fewer years of experience is that they disproportionately elect to stay home with their children, or even if they work “full-time,” they work far fewer hours than their male counterparts so they can spend more time with their kids or on their avocations. many more women than men —full-time workers and not-- ensure they have time for yoga, get-togethers with friends, art class, gardening, and visits to the day spa. since 2000, despite the economic downturn, the number of spa visits nationwide, the vast majority of which are made by women, has doubled!

women don’t just spend on day spas. they’re, overall, the bigger spenders. yes, men buy more tools and technotoys but women, even when they contribute little or nothing to the family income, are the predominant spenders: clothing, jewelry, therapy, home redecorating of no interest to the man, etc. most shopaholics are women. every expenditure loads additional pressure onto the primary breadwinner, which is usually the husband.

most of my male clients have accepted their plight of having to work, work, work at unrewarding, even dangerous jobs. biology, parents, and society have programmed men to be the hunter, the provider, to keep their nose to the grindstone, no matter what. too many wives only encourage it. just today, a client of mine who earns more than $200,000 a year as a not-partner attorney at a major law firm, exclaimed, “if i don’t push now to make partner, my wife will kill me!”

usually, the wife won’t kill the husband, but often will divorce him, at least in part because “he wasn't a good provider.” and most courts reward her with custody of the child and a requirement that the father pay child support and/or alimony.

when i ask a male client to step back and think about it, many of them realize that their wives have tried—usually successfully--to subtly or not so subtly coerce them into being the primary or sole breadwinner, the beast of burden. those women make the above arguments, plus use manipulative techniques such as crying, guilt-tripping, screaming, avoiding the topic of getting a job, and forever promising to look for work but making feeble efforts.

meanwhile, many men live bleak lives: work 10+ hours, commute home, and drop into the couch exhausted. and their reward: an early grave. despite obesity being more prevalent among women, there are five widows for every widower. yet all we hear about is another fundraiser for breast cancer.

if a husband hasn't done so already, he should consider having an open discussion with his wife about work and money. for example:

“will buying a house or having another child put too much financial pressure on us?”
“if we decide to make those high-cost expenditures, do we want to put all the financial burden on one partner so the other can stay home to raise the child? or should it be divided more evenly?”
“should i refuse to work at an unrewarding high-stress or dangerous job?”
the elite colleges should issue the following exhortation to their students, male and female: "as you well know, the diploma you will receive from this institution will open the doors of influence: from medical research to non-profit directorship, from corporate leadership to stewardship of the arts. in accepting one of the precious few student seats at this institution, you tacitly accept the responsibility to society to make the most of that coveted degree. we encourage you to aim high, to use that degree to make the biggest difference you can for humankind. as important as being a good parent is, you don't need an elite degree to do that."

(i changed a few irrelevant details about my clients to protect their anonymity.)

[Chocha Monger]

Hmm... so I guess mongers can expect smoke, flash bang and tear gas grenades to come smashing through the windows at some inopportune moment, followed by a door breach as the SWAT team takes down the poor horny bastards in the midst of posting their irreverent memoirs of debauchery.

I didn't think that the Patriot Act covered middle-aged men with beer guts seeking sexual release on foreign shores. It just goes to show what happens when you don't pay attention to legislation being passed in this country.

[Travis Bickle 2]

i have no way of knowing if this is true, but i read on a rumor mill site, that the wsg had been busted and secretly taken over by le and international le agencies too. they basically have everyone's ip and are running a huge sting operation. this supposedly happened during the time it was shut down for a few weeks then brought back up under a different host, server and location?!?!?

it does make sense if you think about it. can anyone substantiate this? after all, there is a lot of shit on this forum from endless information to people having sex with **** girls, to hiv infected mongers going bareback, to groups and individuals promoting prostitution, which is illegal in any capacity. simply referring another to prostitute is in violation under many states law's under the "aiding prostitution" statutes. these are very vague in their orientation, but could be interpreted as aiding prostitution, by what goes on in these forums. not to mention posting photos of innocent people and indicating they are prostitutes. this is grounds for huge slanderous , liabel, damages suits at the very least. once a suit is filed on behalf of the photos taken, then le can access your information in a heartbeat. i know jackson keeps ips, and states he would never give them up, but trust me, if le wants your ip from posting here............they already have it.

i ask this questions out of concern only. i will try and locate the rumor mill site that had the postings about this.


getting tang, very interesting stuff. it's funny, you've spent your last 25 posts arguing and basically telling us all what dumbasses we are and being caught in lies and contradictions each and every time, so what do you do? start a rumor about a rumor mill that says wsg has been taken over by le. as always, whenever you make a controversial post (see writing style recognition software for example) you conveniently forget the site or come up with some other bullshit for not providing it.

it's been obvious for a long time (ever since you watched the passion of the christ) that you are against mongering and prostitution in general. as i've said before, for someone like you, perhaps viewing sex review boards on a regular basis is probably not a good idea. perhaps your pastor or a christian brother can enlighten you in these areas. travis bickle "you talkin to me?"

[GettingTang]

i'll spend some time this evening trying to track down the site i read the post on. funny thing is, this message board had about 8 responses to this rumor. if i recall 2 or 3 of the responders said they were members of this forum.

i agree, le has better things to do then round up the "passive monger", however, there is more then that going on within these forums. this has nothing to do with some form of a mission on my behalf. i tell stupid fuck heads to use condoms and i'm a bad guy? ??? how is that? someday you too shall know someone close to you, to come down with a bad disease as a direct result of this hobby and i assure you, it will change your thought process on this matter. i just hate idiots that try and beat the system (hiv) based on chicken soup wives tales. they act as if the virus knows they are not gay or an iv drug user, therefore it knows better to infect them.

there are also poster on this forum, who have posted photos of their ex wife or girlfriend as a means for revenge. lots of mongers over the years promoting the idea of **** girls, lots of infected mongers shown to be having unprotected sex. these topics will get the attention of le.

and when le wants to bring down a big house of cards, you had better bet, they can and will use a technicality within the law to bring you to your knees. if nothing else to embarrass the hell out of you. when you read the sex offenders website and see all those 19 year old guys who have to register as a sex offender because they has a 16 or 17 year old girlfirend, you quickly realize, "technical law enforecemt" does happen.

aiding prostitution in any capacity, even subtle referrals is "technically" against the law in almost all states! this was my point.

[Bart9000]

One pertinent fact about the data that no one has pointed out is that the study population is comprised of UK women, not American (who per popular lore are maybe 75% as bad). It has been my experience that a goodly number of AW's will accept anything that you give them as "their due", and that they will look disdainfully upon you for utilizing your resources to provide them with something in a pathetic attempt to get some of their overpriced pussy.

Thanks for the article Chocha. I will send that (from it's original source of course) the next time that someone pressures me to settle down and "play by the rules": Get wife, make baby, work hard to make money to buy stuff.

By the way (completely off topic-all apologies profered), could anyone who has used jet lag remedies please PM me with your experiences. I'm particularly interested in melatonin. My last trip to Europe left me completely incapacitated for about 20 hours.

[CBGBConnisur]

I used to get presents from my receptionist a few years back, she's a Hispanic American lady, not a complete AW but I used to wonder about her because she had a kid and no husband. Still the truth is that the vast majority of American women when you compare them to their counterparts in Europe or elsewhere are fat, ugly, obnoxious, shameless, greedy, loudmouth skanks. It did drive me nuts in the past when I traveled abroad and met gorgeous and kind hearted women with ease but then upon the returning home and only finding crummy women and putting up with a lot of shit. I did find a woman that I thought I could haved settled down with for the rest of my life, but I didn't realize it until after we parted ways, she passed away, and I'm never going to get the opportunity to see her again. Its been a really difficult loss.

[Dickhead]

"I'll spend some time this evening trying to track down the site I read the post on."

More bullshit from the bullshit specialist.

[Chocha Monger]

high rate of infidelity fueling rise in paternal discrepancy, researchers say.


updated: 7:32 p.m. et aug. 10, 2005
london - one in 25 fathers could unknowingly be raising another man’s child, british scientists said on thursday.

researchers at liverpool’s john moores university examined the findings of dozens of studies, published over the past 54 years, on cases of paternal discrepancy — where a man is proved not to be the biological father of his child.

the studies, most of them peer reviewed, came from countries as varied as the united states, finland, new zealand, south africa and mexico.

the findings of the studies varied dramatically — some concluded that only one man in 100 is not the father of his child while others put the figure as high as 30 percent.

the liverpool researchers calculated the median figure at around 4 percent, suggesting that as many as one in 25 men worldwide is not the biological father of a child he believes to be his.

“the importance lies not so much in the figure itself but in the implications, given that as a society we are increasingly making our decisions on the basis of genetics,” said one of the researchers, professor mark bellis.

“if, for example, someone knows that their father had a history of hereditary heart disease, they might be tempted to alter their own diet,” he told reuters.

“obviously they need to be making that decision on the basis of accurate information about who their father really is.”

bellis said that while mix-ups of semen during artificial insemination accounted for some cases of paternal discrepancy, the majority were due to a woman having sexual relationships outside marriage.

he said in britain, 20 percent of women in marriages or long-term relationships have had affairs, adding that the figures for other developed countries was similar.

around a third of pregnancies in britain are unplanned, increasing the risk of paternal discrepancy.

writing in the british medical association’s journal of epidemiology and community health, the scientists called for further research in the area.

“(we) cannot simply ignore this difficult issue,” they said.

copyright 2005 reuters limited

[Travis Bickle 2]

"I'll spend some time this evening trying to track down the site I read the post on."

More bullshit from the bullshit specialist.

Dickhead, If he were a "bullshit specialist" as least he'd be convincing. I think, rather, he's just full of #@%.

Travis

[CBGBConnisur]

He's a faggot working for some American bi*tches. One point I can agree with Travis on is Asian women, I don't trust those slant eyes at all. They're all looking for a Western man with money and are very aggressive golddiggers. I prefer good European women who are more honest than those scheming Asians.

[Domino]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/11/teen.escort.death.ap/index.html
Some dude, not the Traveler, paid $600 for this piece of dead meat. This has never happened to Domino or Freeler. We shop right.
CBCG seems to have faggots on the brain.

[Chocha Monger]

What a shame the old dude over paid and then she died on him costing another $2000. Some companionship from an American woman cost him $2600 and a police investigation. I hope that the escort agency had the decency to refund his money. It's so hard getting good help these days.

That guy was definitely not a WSG member. No one on this board would drive up prices like that while being so indiscrete. ;)

[CBGBConnisur]

Most of Western Europe, Australia, and Canada have passed legislation that keeps the criminal element out of the prostitution trade or to a minimum. In many of these places a woman working in a brothel has the same status as someone working in a fast food joint, not respectable, but at least legitimate and instead of being hounded by the law she is protected.

[Domino]

What a shame the old dude over paid and then she died on him costing another $2000. Some companionship from an American woman cost him $2600 and a police investigation. I hope that the escort agency had the decency to refund his money. It's so hard getting good help these days.

That guy was definitely not a WSG member. No one on this board would drive up prices like that while being so indiscrete. ;)
:):);)
Where is your heart? keep love in everything. I am stuck in Mindanao Philipines right now and they are bleeding me dry. They are having a feast and Domino is the prize pig they are roasting. So AW have plenty of comrades in arms. So far I am up for a house, a half a house and, I am sure, a few paternity suits. But hey, all we need is love.

[Chocha Monger]

Paternity suits! Domino don't tell me that you're screwing the skanks in Mindanao skinless? What is all this talk about buying houses? Has your kind American Joe heart allowed you to be pussy whipped right into the Philipine real estate business? Remember that you're over there to get head not to lose your head. If you're not careful those Filipinas will make that $2600 deal for an AW look like a steal.

How many times must we repeat this mantra? Don't drive up prices! If you go around purchasing houses for these skanks you'll ruin the market for other mongers. First it will be a house, then a water buffalo, and next a rice paddy. Now get to haggling the lowest price for love on the market. And if you insist on going skinless make sure that you lubricate your peck peck with liberal amounts of coconut oil, according to Dickhead it's very effective as an propyhlaxis against AIDS. :p

P.S. I don't have a heart because AW ripped it out a long time ago. ;)

[CBGBConnisur]

I have never trusted slant eyed Asian women, they're always working something out and trying to fuck you over. Hispanics and Eastern Europeans are the best, often far more honest and less decieving than Godless Asians.

[Chocha Monger]

CBGB,

Well it seems like they got pizza man. What a shame! :(

[Domino]

My Asian hooker babe believes in God and sends our(!) kids to a Catholic school for that reason. She is a good mother and she tells me I am a good man as I let her sleep a lot and I pay well. Last night, when she took my emply plastic bottles away to reuse, she lamented that I had no more water. Wasn't that nice? She also says I can fuck her any time as long as I pay.
There is a big festival on this week and she is devoting a lot of her time t helping her daughter in it. That IS sweet. Also, when I offered to give her 3 condoms last night in case she meets any potentiasl custimer, she indignantly refused. And when I put money into the Gideon Bible one night for her, she got very upset and TOLD me not to do so again. Godless? Not my little sweetie.
She needs maybe $500 to finish her house. Can any of you guys help? She is a deserving cause and a good woman playing a weak hand when she is not playing me:)

[Rock Dog]

Domino,

Your posts have been getting kind of weird lately. What's up with that anyhow?

Rock

[Domino]

My posts have been weird for a long time. This place, Mindanao, is just particularly weird. And when your humble correspondent is surrounded by skanks who are trained in cultist shakedown tactics, he has to think fast. Does not mean he will win every time. This place is so hopeless it defies belief, It is funny seeing the Japanese and American mongers being led about.
It was not funny skank Christine telling Domino that he was the biggest pushover of a customer she ever had. Just shows: we are not as smart as we think we are.
Have no fear for Domino. He is on his way with some death squad goons to Zamboabga and thence to Sulu where the Abu Sayef Muslim dickheads hang out. Domino will be with the other crew: Christians and animists who have forsaken kidnapping for massive smuggling. They rule the roost in the non Muslim areas and Domino feels safe with them. He also hopes to see some big game hunting, as long as he is not the game. Headhunting sounds fun.
So my friends, if this is your thing, feel welcome. If not, feel AW.
Domino is also getting all kinds of weird business proposals, ranging from making gas masks out of coconuts to environment reconstruction. In the middle of a semi war zone. Oh well.
Anyway dudes: relax and be like Chocha MOnger and enjoy the circus. I know I am. See you in a few weeks.

[Organicgrowth]

May I recommend Ginkgo Biloba & Ginseng twice daily and complete one “hard” Sudoku every day.

It straightened me out!

Regards, Havanaman

[Rock Dog]

Havanaman,

Can you tell me...... what's a sudoku?
Never heard of that before.

Rock

[Organicgrowth]

Rock Dog,

I’m going to assume your question is serious…

Sudoku is a kind of mathematical puzzle: brain teaser. Such puzzles are known to help brain function… In fact there is considerable research showing that mental “sharpness” is maintained into extreme old age in people who like doing puzzles, crosswords etc…

Anyway, I thought to myself that if I stay physically and mentally fit, I can monger till the day I die…

Regards, Havanaman

[Mike12]

22 year old call girl on the cover of New York magazine for being NY's most highest priced hooker. Claims to make $2000 a trick working around Wall St. Probably does. She looks like a school librarian I wouldn't give $20 to for a BJ. She is talking to producers about having her own reality show.

Su Doku is the latest rage in crossword puzzles BTW.

[Chocha Monger]

I have spent some time reviewing the posts in the Filipina Advice thread. Some of the posts made me cringe as I read about old and young fools alike being separated from their hard earned cash. It's true that those Filipinas have the art of conning refined to the highest degree. Some of the guys' behavior in the chronicles was totally hilarious. "Gee Bubba, I don't understand what happened. She was a great LBFM in the Philippines and now that I have married her and brought her to the USA she has turned into a jealous greedy controlling conniving little ho bag."

Sinister forces seem to be at work causing otherwise reasonable men to marry destitute women and hookers; punters rush headlong into marriage ignoring the admonitions of friends to stop and think it over. Men who haggle over a price difference of a dollar suddenly find themselves signing affidavits of support for women with four kids. Stipends are being paid to bar girls as an incentive to give up hooking. Houses are given as gifts. North Americans and Europeans discover a degree of generosity which they never knew they had.

What is it that causes these men to suffer from temporary insanity? Is it love that causes them to propose marriage with its accompanying ruin within a week of meeting a foreign girl, or is just incredible horniness? I think that there are number of factors at play in this interesting phenomenon:

1. A man on parole from Sex Prison is a dangerous man (to himself). After seeing a high percentage of chunky androgenous women while on lock-down, he suddenly finds himself surrounded sexy sirens much like Odysseus on the island of Calypso and his ability to reason is somewhat diminished.

2. He has never had it so good, 8s,9s and 10s willingly give into to his lust. The drunkness caused by beautiful women sucking him, swallowing, and taking it up the ass while begging for more is too much for him. He does not want the fantasy to end, and he thinks that the best way to keep it going is to take one of those women back home with him.

3. He starts thinking, "Boy, if only the folks back home could see me fucking this hot piece of ass!" Then he takes his pride and joy back home so everyone can be jealous. What was that saying about pride being followed by a hard fall?

4. Limited pussy supply. Back in Sex Prison there is a limited supply of hot fuckable women. The parolee has not learned to think in terms of unlimited pussy and his drought mentality follows him overseas. He thinks that he needs to snatch and hoard the hot pussy through marriage or by means of a generous stipend instead of practicing a catch and release policy.

5. Poor knowledge of zoology. He operates under the false premise that a creature removed from its original habitat and transplanted to different one will continue to behave in the same manner. More often than not a woman's behavior is dictated by the culture, laws and circumstances in her society. Therefore, it does not matter whether she is from Asia, Eastern Europe or Latin America, her behavior will adapt to her new habitat where the laws favor women.

6. She is different from the others. He forgets that a woman will always be a woman. Sure she might be more beautiful than most but there will always be one far more lovelier. There are other tight wet pussies, perfect asses and pert breasts to be found. She will age, gain weight, nag and become jealous like all the others. However, she will do her best to market herself and stand out from the crowd in order to be the one chosen to live in better conditions abroad. These women are really good at being whatever you want them to be, if they have to do so to get what they want. It's feminine wiles at its best.

7. He under estimates the power of hard currency. Most guys just have a hard time seeing themselves as a walking ATM after spending a lifetime being a wage slave in their home country, therefore it's incomprehensible to them that a foreign woman might possibly see them as a cash cow.

8. Misinterpretation of natural affection for true love. Other cultures are often warmer, and permit more touching and closeness than in the USA. This can often be misleading, for example in Puerto Rico girls kiss their male friends on the cheek when greeting them. However, Puerto Rico is one of the worst places to get laid.

[Rock Dog]

Chocha,

That was one quality post! It should be required reading for ANY guy before, during, and immediately after a mongering trip abroad.

Rock

[Domino]

CM: Good to see I am not alone in liking the classics. Odysseus survived the sirens remember. The journey is half the fun. I have no problem with the women. Good luck to them I say. Little Christine collected my empty plastic bottles which meant she never spent 20 plus pesos on a bottle of water.Christine's shoes I would be ashamed to put them in my garbage they are that worn. I admire her and women like her. Shit, what thePanthers could have done with raw material like that. They fuck to put rice in their kids' bellies and to send them to good schools. And they live in fear, as Christine does, that one day her motherly love will be ruined by her secret profession becoming common knowledge.
America is simply a fucked up country. Why should anyone act normnally there? http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050817/sc_nm/usa_wild_dc

[Prokofiev]

Domino,

Thanks for that link. At first I was confused as to it's true relevence here until I read . . .

"Establishing Asian asses in North America might help prevent the extinction of these endangered species. They admitted the plan would be controversial but said it was a far better option than simply accepting the terminal decline of some of the world's most impressive species "

Thanks for thinking about us. I would visit that game reserve early and often.

-P

[CBGBConnisur]

The one major thing that made the US better than the rest of the world seems to be quickly disappearing. Despite all the economic progress made, I think life in the US was better 20 to 30 years ago for the average person than it is today. A good percentage of people who were middle class in the last decade now live in poverty, in the next 20 years, most economists say at least 25 percent of the middle class will slip into poverty despite the fact that US economy overall will experience solid economic growth surpassing Europe. The small 5 percent at the top will reap most of the growth. Despite all the talk about bringing democracy to far away foreign lands we are forgetting about the home, charity begins at home. Economics has been the main root of the problem with AWs. I noticed women in countries where the gap between rich and poor is less tend to behave differently from American females and treat men more equally, I have noticed this in Australia and in Europe, which have high standards of living but more even income distribution than the US. In America, its a race to get to higher ground($$$) each day. In a lot of other places, women never ask you what you do for a living or how much money you make, and its not because they assume that you are rich because you are American and are in their country. These women approach the local guys in the same manner.

[Dickhead]

These guys of whom Chocha Monger speaks need to become Dickheads. A Dickhead can fuck an endless stream of hot, tight pussy and never become subject to thoughts of marriage, stipends, getting women out of "the life," or anything else. Yet, a Dickhead can be, or pretend to be (it is unclear which), very loving and tender towards these basically fine creatures. A Dickhead can cook for these women, get to know their families, travel with them, and lend a sympathetic ear to their troubles without ever letting their problems become his own. One secret is to learn their language selectively. I speak Spanish quite well but somehow have never learned the words for "gift," "shopping," "tip," "family emergency," "Western Union," "taxi money," or "restaurant." This helps immeasurably.

Another piece of basic advice: go live in their country; don't bring them to yours. If I never see another American woman, and if I never return to the United States, that is just fine by me as long as I keep my blue passport.

[Bart9000]

As much animosity as I have towards some of the US of A's actions and attitudes, it is something of a relief to know that you can always call Uncle Sugar for help in a foreign country. It almost makes the taxes worthwhile.

[Moore]

22 year old call girl on the cover of New York magazine for being NY's most highest priced hooker. Claims to make $2000 a trick working around Wall St. Probably does. She looks like a school librarian I wouldn't give $20 to for a BJ. She is talking to producers about having her own reality show.

Su Doku is the latest rage in crossword puzzles BTW.Whats wrong with a 22 yo school librarian? Sounds great to me.

[Domino]

Prokofiew: In the minds of almost all our AW Thread posting friends, the USA already has herds of elephants (female humans) wandering around. They are called AW. It would also make sense to develop Africa or somewhere and bring American kids/women there if they want to see elephants in non zoo environments. Imagine being a US high school teacher bringing a bunvh of horny 16 year old guys on school trips via Bangkok, Manila and Buenos Aries.................

[CBGBConnisur]

Australian passport holders can go just about anywhere without a visa, although I heard of a few being kicked out of the US. I would say the same for Canadians and Western Europeans. As of late I have discovered that its easier to immigrate to Europe than it is to the US, I have been spending some time in Europe and seeing people I know who wouldn't make it into the States.

Speaking of Africa, scientists want to bring lions, giraffes, zebras, hippos, and elephants into North American national parks. These species existed in North America almost 10,000 years ago. Honestly, I think if the US stops playing global police officer a lot of people all over the world including those in the US will be much better off.

[Domino]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4165432.stm
I wonder could the US adopt Swaziland's mo. Interesting that the ladies object: guess they just like fucking around. Strange how AW (Africans) like it up the ass and AWs and AWs (Asian and American) are less accommodating. The world is an interesting paradise. Pity we only have one dick.

[Dickhead]

"As much animosity as I have towards some of the US of A's actions and attitudes, it is something of a relief to know that you can always call Uncle Sugar for help in a foreign country. It almost makes the taxes worthwhile."

I don't have to pay any taxes to the United States.

[Chocha Monger]

I have no rice to cook or beans to refry.
I swear sweet monger I do not lie.
Without your money my daddy will die.

You will always be my boyfriend.
Please don't forget my stipend.
When I see Ben my love has no end.

For you I give bare back blowjobs galore.
I see in your eyes that you want more.
Take me with you to that yonder shore.

[CBGBConnisur]

American women have become such an afterthought I readily consider them asexual. As far as living abroad, it has its risks but these days, there are places as politically and economically stable as the US, you can thank the lone superpower status of the US for this. The European Union and Australia mirror the US in myriad of ways, but I think the women in both places are a cut above US women, a cut way above, in fact. Although locals won't agree, they are desensitized to their own women, looking at the other pasture of grass. I was in a gentlemen's club in Germany, full of voluptuous nude women, and a German guy who discovers I'm American asks me about American women, in a strange way, the mere mention of AWs got me in a bad mood. Calmy, I told him that he wasn't missing out on anything, and to save his money for better things.

I actually found a list of the best countries in which to make a living, guess what? The US is not on top. Most experts say that China will have a larger economy than the US around 2025.

[Chocha Monger]

war means action for women, too
by *****lla published august 3, 1999 in scope

war. what is it good for? it's good for getting rid of your man. say it again. sure, he may not come back, but if you're honest with yourself you know that he might not return every time he walks out the door. except now you can be sure of it -- at least for a little while. here's your chance to go out and do all the things you dreamed about doing each night he slept next to you.

let's start with that, sleeping -- with anyone you want (and you all have your eye on someone, you can't lie to *****lla). to assuage your guilt after you've done the deed, just hire a therapist -- any therapist will do -- who will blame your "vulnerability" on "stress" after you confess that you went and "found comfort in another man's arms" because you miss your own so badly. it's beautiful.

we have come a long way, baby. this is a war after the second wave of feminism. we dames are free from having to be decent to you men, who have been such dicks to us since the dawn of misery. so ladies, while your boyfriends/husbands are off in europe, you officially have permission from *****lla to bed any guy (or gal) you want.

but why stop there? charge up his credit cards, redecorate the house, get a tattoo, or, if you wanna see if he really loves you, put on some weight. start working on gaining 50 pounds so there's more of you to love when he gets back. "oh, the stress of missing him so... why, yes, i will have another bonbon."

sorry. this isn't funny. what's a soldier's worst nightmare? that his sweetheart is back in the states living the good life, balling every guy in town while he's up to his eyelashes in blood and mud. so, to you "good" women, who are fuming right now, thinking that i've included you with the typical female swine, don't worry. i know you would never dream of cheating on your lover in such perilous times. absence makes your precious heart grow fonder.

right! just wait until he's back home and you realize you've missed your chance, good lady! and suppose your man has to stay over there for six months or a year. you think married gis don't hump poontang to prove to the boys what big men they are? if not, you watched way too much m*a*s*h, sister.

sure, there's no sex in war.

i watched soldiers being interviewed about whether women should be allowed in combat. they said they thought not, because women would be too much of a distraction -- because they'd be thinking about having sex with them all the time. in a tank.

too bad women can't serve in other ways. we could volunteer to be in the u.s. ***** corps. (i hear the foreign legion has such a thing, but that's the french for you.) women could go over and make a little love to these boys; give them something to live for. you could line up all the men and we'd pick the ones we wanted -- sort of like picking teams in gym class.

just dreamin' out loud. sorry.

war. horrible, isn't it? sending your lovin' man off to a strange country, wondering if you'll ever see him again. how horrible it is all depends on your man, eh? but if he's like any i've known, you won't be missing him for too long. or her. women are reservists, too. i assume they suck in equal proportion to men. in fact, boys, if your woman is going off to war, drop *****lla a line. i know some war games they've never heard of, even in the military.

*****lla is a high school dropout, convicted felon, former junkie, mud wrestler, welfare mother, mensa member and award-winning writer from pittsburgh.

[Domino]

Chocha: Interesting. But this has been going on for a long time. Look at all the war time brides the Yanks left in Britain after the War, and the amount of war brides they took with them. Japan was even more extreme. On of Hitler's biggest setbacks was when he was going to get SS grunts to fuck frauleins to increase the gene/war pool. The guys at the front objected to having their wives done over and he had to abandon the plan.
Where was the biggest battle in the Pacific theater? Midway? Cral Sea? Leyte? No. The biggest battle was in Bribane between US forces and Aussies with the Aussies whinging the Yanks are "over paid. over sexed and over here". And, as many of us are going into Classical mode, Odysseus had the same problem when he went off to Troy.

[CBGBConnisur]

domino its brisbane, you left out the "s", as a yankee living in australia (no big deal no one knows what brisbane is everyone thinks of sydney or melbourne when talking about australia), i can tell you that most australian women think i make a very big deal out of sex. i spent time in the service myself, got to visit some exotic locales, my time there was the inspiration to move abroad, because i got more pussy as an enlisted man in the military than i did making a six figure salary in the us. about the china thing, a friend of mine got laid off from his job of ten years, to find out it was going to some guy in beijing for a fraction of what he earns in the us. a coworker of mine in new york had to go to india to train his replacement, what a fucking insult, this guy is married with two small children, and he's going to be out of a job in a few months. i have no idea what i would do if i was put in such a position. globalization is a b*itch, i'm glad i got smart by getting into my own business ventures.

many troops abroad have left children all over the world, britain wasn't the only european country. there was book written about american gis and german women, it got to a level that the germans got jealous and even complained to the us government about it. i even remember when i spent some time there, i was treated like elvis by the local frauleins, some of whom were absolutely gorgeous. us troops were concentrated in north african arab countries during world war 2, and there are many people from those areas with very western features.

i would say in a decade, with the ever increasing pace of global economic integration, the idea of labeling american women will be outdated. in this ever increasingly digital world, we are becoming more interconnected and ideas and beliefs pass through borders at ever increasing speed. the more likely term in the near future will be "modern women", i was flipping channels and saw this chinese drama and the women in it act just like aws. so this is not just limited to the us.

[Chocha Monger]

Domino,

Odysseus' wife Penelope, demonstrated much more virtue than most skanks though she was confronted by a mansion full of suitors. Skanks like *****lla openly advocate cheating on their military husbands the minute that they embark upon a campaign.

The Trojan War lasted for ten years and then Odysseus was lost on his journey home for many years following the fall of Troy. AWs would not hold out for ten days after their man leaves for battle. In fact, many can be seen on CNN whining about the one year tours that their spouses must complete in Iraq while the divorce rate for the military soars.

In the old days of the Greeks, pussy was taken as part of the spoils of war. These days this is not the case in the US military at least, having sex in a war zone is punishable by court martial. Besides would you risk your head (big and small) for a piece of Iraqi or Afghan pussy? This is probably the one war where there is no sex available.

The Aussies are our allies up to this day precisely because of our servicemen servicing their women, not in spite of it. :D

[CBGBConnisur]

Who knows about the Iraqi and Afghani women, I'm sure US servicemen are getting something over there in terms of ladies, but it is much more lowkey than elsewhere. Yes as far as the US versus previous major powers, getting into relationships with locals in a sexual way can get you into a lot of trouble. A lot of previous major powers, the British and French, their troops had a lot of sex in their colonies. If you travel to some of their former colonies you will notice that a good number of people there have some Western features. Look at India, all those Bollywood chics have at least a few European features( women who look completely Indian never make it in the Indian film industry), where do you think they got it from?

[Domino]

Please lay off this racist shit. Beauty is about symmetry: the nose, breasts, dick etc being in perfect alignment size wise. Read The Da Vinci code to find out what I mean. Skin color has nothing to do with it but is a genetic evolutionary reaction to the environment. Bring your pale ass skin to the Aussie outback where whiteys have the highest skin cancer rate in the world to see what I mean. The whites are only Indian rejects anyway and they were booted out of there a long time ago.
I am probably the fittest, best looking, sexiest, most tolerant guy who posts here. But in the Philippines it really pisses me off to see all the skin whitening cream for sale. The women buy this because they are being fed non stop shit about how being Albino makes them prettier (and poorer as they buy the shit). American, European and Ausise women are no different worrying about the size of their breasts, teethm my big dick etc.
People are the same world wide, though richer Americans, Aussies and Europeans tend to have major weight problems. Please lay off this Nazi drivel. Hitler, who espoused similar shit, was a wrinkled little man who could not get it up. I am tolerant and have no such problems. Three million Asian women cannot be wrong. Live life or put a 44 in your mouth.

[Chocha Monger]

Race is always a dicey subject and the most simple statement can often lead to righteous indignation. It is indeed such a contentious topic that most would rather ignore it altogether. Sometimes you cannot escape it.

The truth of the matter is that many of the other races of the world suffered colonization by the Caucasoid races. This has undoubtably left its mark in former colonies, it would be suprising if it did not. The invaders brought a white Jesus, white angels, white dolls and white models and actresses in the media. They controlled the government and the military at the highest levels. Beauty products were sold and promoted using depictions of porcelain white ladies with rosy pink cheeks, delicate noses, blond hair and blue eyes.

The little yellow, brown, black and red girls were given white dolls to play with which surely helped shape their idea of what beauty was supposed to look like. Those who were converted to Christianity spent their lives trying to get to a heaven where everything was white, while fearing a hell filled with black devils, demons and darkness. Whiteness became synonymous with wealth and power because that was more often the case than not.

True, science tells us that symmetry is nature's definition of beauty but women don't often choose a handsome man over a plain one with wealth and power. The media and society also has a big role in saying what is desirable and what is not. Therefore, the Filipina girls will continue to believe that bleaching their skin will make them more beautiful.

Indeed if one were to look at the media in Latin America, India and a number of other places one would get the impression that the demographic majority is light skinned with mostly caucasian features, although the truth of the matter is the exact opposite. Though many would deny it, being white with blue eyes and blond hair in regions other than North America, Europe and Australia often enables a lot of "free" amateur action from the local girls. This may be due to the novelty of the experience, perceived socio-economic status or attractiveness.

Sadly, the miscegenated off-spring of the former colonial masters often regard themselves as the rightful heirs to seats of power and wealth in the ex-colonies long after the imperialists have departed taking as much as they can along with them. Conquest is a nasty thing with lasting effects, whether it is a Filipina trying to bleach her skin white or the word "indian" being considered an insult in Latin America.

[CBGBConnisur]

I was not talking about my own preferences but when I traveled to India I was surprised at the attitude that many people had about skin color. You would think that in a country where most people are dark, that would be the preference, but among many in that country there is a very Eurocentric attitude among them no doubt a product of British colonialism, all over Asia and the Middle East this attitude exists. I think it will eventually change, I thought it was a major surprise. Many of these Asian countries where this Eurocentric attitude exists are in Thailand, Singapore, The Phillipines, Malaysia, South Korea, Japan, Mynamar, India, they are all countries aligned with the West politically. The lone exception is China, the Chinese have an attitude towards their people and culture that is similar to Europeans within Europe and Americans within America, the idea that they are best country and best people on Earth, so you won't find mainland Chinese involved in this bleaching game.

As far as the whiteness issue, most Asians are pale skinned. Even ethnic North Indians, Iranians, and Arabs, many of them have a fair complexion. Many of these societies were once colonies so much of this attitude is legacy of colonial times. I have an Indian friend who has an Arab girlfriend, from looking at her you would assume she is of Scandinavian origin, she has blonde hair and blue eyes, but she is 100 percent Lebanese. Interesting this woman's brother had a serious problem with having an Indian date her sister. I thought it was fucked up, a close relative of mine married a hispanic, and I had no problems at all with it.

Being blonde and blue eyed in a region outside of Europe, North America, Australia/NZ will make you "unique". Being dark skinned in these afforementioned places will also make you unique. I knew a lot of guys who got hit on in Germany and Australia. Its mainly an issue of exoticism, you won't find too many blondes in Asia or in SA, on the opposite side of the coin, in the Western world its vice versa.

BTW, Domino, I am not pale at all, quite tan due to being half Southern Italian, I brown pretty good in the Australian sun and look Mediteranean, and its gotten me into some strange situations in Asia but not in Europe. I am quite good looking and do well in places where Nordic blondes roam, but somehow the Asians didn't dig me so well, and was confused because they think all Europeans and Americans have blonde hair and blue eyes, so I was on the receiving end of Asian racism. Hitler? What about Bush?? There are so many parallels between Bush and Republican party and Hitler and the National Socialists, they are so similar its frightening. Oh yeah and go fuck yourself Domino, when your in Sydney tell me where you are so I can kick the living crap out of you and put your redneck ass in a wheelchair. Fuck you.

[Sinanju Master]

Chocha, I remember reading waaaaaaaaaaay back in elementary school about the Catse System of India. To put it simply, the lighter the skin, the higher your caste, and the better off you were in Life. The reverse was true for darker-skinned people. At the very bottom of the Caste, the darkest skinned peoples were often the Untouchables. Given the name, I need not elaborate upon the views of the lighter skinned higher-castes upon these unfortunate souls. ALSO, if you look closely at ancient Indian art depicting humans, you will find the idealized version of a man or woman with very light skin (not necessarily pale) but very light in comparison to what may be the MAJORITY of the country. To further prove your point and that of CBGB, the woman titled "The Most Beautiful in the World" is a light-skinned Indian Woman (an actress who landed a VERY lucrative contract with Oil of Olay) who would more than likely (if she strictly observed the caste System) be at the very top of the ladder. Don't worry, my bretheren, this is no tirade, but simply an objective observation.

[Paddy]

Hey Guys,

It's been over a year. Have had a lot of weird stuff coming down in my life and when the old site went down I lost interest. Thanks to Bart 9000, he directed me to the new site or address. Greetings to Bart 9000, DH, Sinju, etc. Have missed you guys.

Had a real "American girl" girl experience a few weeks ago that I wanted to bounce off you. Was hanging in a bar with my tennis buddies and there were some cute but kinda heavy women near us. The guys struck up a conversation with them (after quite a few beers I might add). One of the girls started talking with me and being a gentleman I was polite and responded back to her. After a while she pulls out her cell and asks for my phone number. I gave her a fake one of course. She's then shocked that I don't ask for hers. She then starts to make cracks to the effect that I'm "gay" to her friends. In her egocentric delusional way she could only conclude that a man who isn't interested in a babe like her must be gay. Has anyone else caught this routine from American women?

Paddy

Paddy

[Chocha Monger]

Paddy,

You're lucky that she only attacked you verbally by accusing you of being gay, she could have done something much worst like slapping you hard in the face or throwing a drink on you. You see many American guys in your situation would have not only asked for her number, they would have rolled over and begged along with performing a few tricks. You were no doubt expected to do the same after purchasing her several expensive drinks.

Things are so bad in the US that even fat sows like that expect guys to leap at the mere prospect of getting their number. She was no doubt surprised and offended that you were not frothing at the mouth to bone her ample folds of flesh. American women will never give pause to the thought that any man would not desire them because they're fat, ugly, obnoxious or whatever flaw they may possess. If you're not begging to get shot down then they will try to humiliate you.

Your experience reminds me why I decided to stay out of bars and clubs a long time ago. From the time I discovered that one could actually get pussy for price of admission to a club I saw no point in frequenting bars to buy strange women drinks or to put up with their psycho bullshit. I have no interest in doing AWs, even the occasional decent looking ones.

CM

[Bart9000]

Hey Paddy,

You have already heard this story, but I will share it with the guys. I had a similar experience to what Paddy is describing a few years ago. A somewhat attractive middle aged woman accused me of smuggling the bone a few years ago because I failed to kiss her ass like all the other guys do. I was highly offended by this of course. God forbid that I happen to prefer (and did get at that time-I was 29ish) girls half her age, and that she is only "OK" to me-I would probably nail you if you laid down and spread, but I'm not putting effort into it. But I digress.

Then, I discovered Eastern Europe, and it was all over with.

"Bart"

[Domino]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050823/ap_on_he_me/obesity_state_rankings
Let's all go to Oregon.
Chocha: Maybe Chavez should call for the assassination of Robertson. http://ihatepatrobertson.com/


Paddy Amazing! Why not go to Wikipedia etc and make a few "entries" along the lines of the following: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050822/ap_on_re_us/thesaurus_arab

[Smut Villain]

Chocha, Paddy, Bart:

Reading about your experiences kind of reminds me of why I got into P4P. After having sampled the world's delights (pro and non-pro allike) by way of port-of-calls in the Navy, AW were a huge letdown for me. Besides, after looking at what a Western guy typically spends on trying to land a female who MAY put out (if he's lucky) one finds he could have easily hired the pussy for the same amount (sometimes less) and gotten a sure thing instead.

Trolling for AW is not cost effective.

[Cyberdas]

It's a good thing we're not teenagers and definitely know better!!

U.S. Cuts Off Abstinence Program Funding
NewsMax.com Wires
Wednesday, Aug. 24, 2005

PITTSBURGH -- The federal government has cut off funding to a nationwide program that promotes abstinence to teens through skits and music videos, saying the group in charge of the campaign did not adequately separate religion from its message.

The Silver Ring Thing program, related to a Christian ministry based in the Pittsburgh suburbs, puts on shows at churches nationwide that include "Saturday Night Live"-style skits, music videos and a message of abstinence. Young people are given a silver ring and decide whether they want to pledge to abstain from sex.

Department of Health and Human Services regulations state that groups receiving department funding "may not engage in inherently religious activities, such as worship, religious instruction or proselytization."
The department said in a letter dated Monday that if such activities are offered, they must be held separately from programs or services funded by the government.

"Our review indicates that the (Silver Ring Thing) may not have included adequate safeguards to clearly separate in time or location inherently religious activities from the federally funded activities," said the letter, signed by Harry Wilson, associate commissioner of the Family and Youth Services Bureau.

The department said it was suspending funds until the group submits a plan detailing how it plans to remedy the issue.

Since 2003, Silver Ring Thing has received $1.2 million from the department as part of the Bush administration's initiative to expand abstinence-only education.

Messages left for Denny Pattyn, Silver Ring Thing's founder and president, and Health and Human Services officials were not immediately returned Tuesday.

The department's decision follows a lawsuit that the American Civil Liberties Union filed in May, claiming that the federal government improperly used taxpayer dollars to fund the group's religious activities.

Julie Sternberg, an attorney with the ACLU's Reproductive Freedom Project, said the group was pleased the government recognized that the Silver Ring Thing's road show was improper.

The Silver Ring Thing has said that more than 30,000 young people have committed themselves to abstinence after attending the program's three-hour presentations.

© 2005 The Associated Press

[Sinanju Master]

Cy, I remember seeing a news show (Dateline, I believe) that featured some of these same crazies. These clowns DELIBERATELY skewed info that would be helpful to teens who were more than likely gonna do the "nasty". Specifically, they would always quote inaccurate stats of the "failure rate" of the protective ability of condoms. They quoted a "failure rate" of 70% in order to scare these young people into NOT having sex until marriage. In the SAME program, a woman who worked with the CDC said that PROPERLY USED, a condom can protect the user and the partner about 98-99% of the time. Of course, the fork-tongued religious-based role model didn't mention that. Yes, abstinence works 100% of the time, BUT when you're 16 and you're exploring your body and you see members of the opposite sex that turn your hormones into Vesuvius circa 79AD, abstinence vanishes quicker than cigarette smoke in front of an industrial sized fan. It makes me laugh when I think of the things the parents of these church-going teens must tell them. I feel that it must amount to a fairy tale where the birth of a child is "magic". What happens when the 18 year old woman marries her sweetheart and stays with him for a while? She eventually gets bored with the lack of sexual knowledge of her partner and then hears from a friend, or reads from a book, the world of sexual experiences she knows she will never get to encounter, because she swallowed the lies of those who seek to control her life through religion. To make the story short, the happy god-fearing couple eventually get divorced. Preaching practicalty to teens would mean losing their (the zealots) grip on power.

[CBGBConnisur]

The biggest change that will occur over the next 20 years is that nearly 25 percent of the US population will be put into poverty due to globalization. Like it or not the US is becoming a third world country. The biggest excuse for many posters on this board to stay is the money, well things aren't going so well in the States anymore. Ever notice how the Euro is trouncing the US dollar and has been doing so since its been in circulation? The value of a nation's currency is a good indicator of its economic health, and in Europe, the US Dollar is worthless. Try buying something over in Europe in US dollars, they will not take them.

[Chocha Monger]

CBGB,

I checked the statistics and you are correct, the American middle class is shrinking. Among other things to consider besides the weakening dollar:

1. Rising home prices.

2. Loss of jobs to overseas locations.

3. Erosion of job benefits for remaining jobs.

4. Increasing health care costs.

5. Loss of privacy and freedom due to War on Terror.

6. Feminism continues to grow more radical.

7. American females continue to grow to plus sizes.

8. AW demands have continued to grow in direct proportion with the size of their asses.

9. Rising energy costs.

10. Blurring of the lines between religion and state.

11. Social security. What social security?

Money is not a factor for remaining in the U.S. unless you're earning 75K or more, otherwise you lose relatively little by emigrating in terms money and sex.

But look on the bright side, after the U.S. becomes a Third World country we can all return home in twenty years to fill the bars and wh*rehouses with prime hamburger fed American pussy. The Australian, Chinese, European and Japanese punters can pay us top dollar for the abundant amounts of loving our AWs will provide.

P.S. I can see it now, "Chocha Monger's All American Ho House". :D

[Moore]

The biggest change that will occur over the next 20 years is that nearly 25 percent of the US population will be put into poverty due to globalization. Like it or not the US is becoming a third world country. The biggest excuse for many posters on this board to stay is the money, well things aren't going so well in the States anymore. Ever notice how the Euro is trouncing the US dollar and has been doing so since its been in circulation? The value of a nation's currency is a good indicator of its economic health, and in Europe, the US Dollar is worthless. Try buying something over in Europe in US dollars, they will not take them.Although its middle class may be shrinking, USA will continue to lead the world economically and technologically. Socialistic and lazy western-Europe will continue towards its second-tier status while more entrepreneurial China and India step up. Then we will have a G-3 instead of a G-7. 25 years from now I´ll withdrawl 500 euros (US$100) from a cash machine in Barcelona, Nice, or Prague and nail 10 local *****s for that amount. All the while snobby Euro-Peons (and Brits and Australians and even Canadians) will be predicting the demise of the USA as they have been during the last 200 years.

[Bart9000]

Let me add one to Chocha's list:

The replacement of the defined benefit pension plan with a 401K---this is a travesty. As a former financial advisor, I can definitively state that "Joe-Six-Pack" isn't equipped with the capacity to adequately manage an investment portfolio. Couple this with the ageing of the population, and we have another disaster heading our way-or at least a lot of retirees supplementing their incomes working as a greeter at Walmart.

[Domino]

I have been perusing the protest photos on this site and I wish to attract comments on the following: they protested outside a church atended by old Presbyterians and told them they were all shit eaters etc; and they protested outside the Idaho church where Brian Rominez was being buried from. He was killed by an IED in Iraq.
Now I know Jackson is a StarsnStripes man and many of us, me included, are not. I certainly thought from day 1 that the war in Iraq was totally wrong. But I do know that if Rominez and his family were any way connected with me, I would be tempted to do serious damage to these people on behalf of his family.
Maybe they have that figured in as I am sure the friends and comrades of Rominez must have been very upset by these lunatics.
I cannot see how anyone could be that insensitive and could bring their children along to gloat over a stranger's death. Maybe the Ku Klux Klan did shit like that in the 1920s. These people seem to do it a lot.
What relevance has this to this thread? If idiots like this are allowed do shit like this in America, then there is no hope for America. This is not a pro or anti Iraq war post but very much an anti people like that post. I can't figure them. Maybe you can.

[Darkseid]

i have returned back to new york (big mistake but my parents live here) after a 4 year stay in brazil and i notice a trend towards some guys (mostly hip hoppers) liking plus size women. i see lots of fat behemoths actually getting a thin as a rail guy. i went to a club called "speed" which is an all hip-hop music club and 90 percent of the women were all fat so i left repulsed. it is the fact that plus sized women are more accepted by american society today than in the past. if thin women is old fashioned then i am proud to call myself "old-fashioned" because i want thin and fit women. i also see more ads with "plus-sized models".
after seeing this acceptance of porkers, i will return to brazil after making more money. at least thin and fit is encouraged there instead of gross and fat. on top of that, the women in new york have not gotten nicer either. now i face fat and mean women. at least in the midwest, they are nicer but some still fat.
the job market here in new york is not any better either. i am making less money in my current job than in my last job i had before i left. in fact, the income level in this city is getting lower and the lower class is growing tremendously. i unfortunately joined this lower class.
my us dollar is now worth a third of what it was worth 4 years ago. i thought i could get away with not working in brazil with the 4.5 reais to 1 dollar exchange but now it is worth 2.1 to 1 today. with the dollar shrinking in value and the prices of goods in brazil staying the same, i had to return to the u.s broke.
i would have to blame president bush for this. when he got into office, he pushed the value of the currency down so he could benefit from his domestic gains in his oil companies. when our currency goes down, we pay more at the gas pump, the gas companies make money, and bush collects more us currency. we also have to pay more us currecncy out towards opec and since bush has shares in opec, he also makes more us currency there. bush could care less about foreign currency beating the dollar. he doesn't even care if the dollar is worth a penny to the euro dollar. he only cares about his spending power here in the us. if the us becomes a third world country, bush would still have the same spoiled lifestyle as he would now. it is sad that brazil's third world economy is catching up to the us.

[Chocha Monger]

The ups and downs of dating a female player
By Jonathan Small

Listen in as one man shares what it's like to go out with one of these irresistible but dangerous creatures: The female player.

Tonight would be the night, my friend Johnny told himself.

He'd dated the lovely Sarah off and on—flirting with her over $15 cocktails at swanky clubs, trying to get closer and being pushed away. He finally decided to go for it—to show her how he really felt and pull her into his orbit once and for all. Off they went to New York for the weekend and all was going well. They laughed and kissed over dinner at a hip Japanese restaurant... that is, until a guy named Brad happened to appear.

Sarah had mentioned to her "friend," as she called Brad, that she might be in town for the weekend, and let slip the name of the place where she and Johnny would be dining. Since Brad knew the hottest parties in town, Sarah thought the three of them could team up to hit a few. Before Johnny could raise any objections, his romantic date was co-opted into a group outing—one where he was forced to watch Brad and Sarah bump and grind all night. The kicker? She ended up spending the rest of the weekend with Brad. And Johnny? He was devastated. He had no idea women acted that way. He'd been used... and it wasn't a pretty sensation.

Players. Long a label associated exclusively with men (James Bond, Mr. Big, and Alfie, to name a few), this term has increasingly become all too fitting for a growing number of women as well. Like their male counterparts, female players are always stringing along numerous suitors and thriving on all the attention—not to mention the flower deliveries. What makes her tick? And can we guys stop ourselves from falling for her? As someone who's dated one or two of these ladies (and recoils at the memory), let me share what I can on the subject. First, the good news:

Female player fact #1: There's a definite ego boost that comes from dating her.
These women don't get all this attention from guys because they're wallflowers or plain Janes. They are dazzling conversationalists, well-dressed, and very capable flirts. Says Paul, 37, "I've dated a couple of women like this, and, I have to say, they present themselves in such a great way. It's like dating a character on Sex and the City. They're full of funny stories, and they always have beautiful hair, beautiful nails, great clothes. When you're out with one of them, you feel like a clever, Hugh Grant type out on the town." That's part of what keeps a guy coming back to these women—they feel as if they're part of a rarefied, fabulous world when they're with her. Oh, and there's one more specific way in which they dazzle a guy, as you'll see in my next point.

Female player fact #2: She has incredible lingerie.
All of the guys I interviewed who had dated a female player said the same thing (looking rather dreamy-eyed): Great lingerie. "This is not the kind of girl who's going to be caught dead in plain cotton undies," says Tony, 41. "The woman I dated? She toyed with my emotions, that's for sure. But I can't help but be nostalgic for her lingerie drawer. I'd never seen anything like it. Talk about a kid in a candy store. I guess she'd accumulated that wardrobe to keep her different suitors enticed."

Now, the less-than-good news:
Female player fact #3: These women are on a power trip.
These women believe the pleasure of their company is a treasure men should work for. One player named Christie, 28, explains it this way: "I don't throw myself at guys; I see dates as a trade-off: The guy gets to be seen with a hot girl at a restaurant, and I get to eat sushi for free," she says. "I had a male friend take me to get a couples massage. He got to see me in a towel and I got pampered at a nice hotel. Sounds fair, don't you think?"

Obviously, a guy's ego can take a real butt-whupping from this kind of treatment. I don't know about you, but feeling like a doggie chasing a premium biscuit isn't exactly a sensation I cherish in my personal life. Knowing that these women see themselves as "above you" is a real cold shower in my book.

It goes without saying that guys love the thrill of the chase—and that's exactly what a female player gives them by keeping the relationship casual. "Guys don't like it when you're too eager and available, so I keep my schedule booked," explains Mary, a chic blonde who usually juggles a handful of suitors. "When you make a guy work for it, he really ramps up the romance—he's doing everything he can to impress you and be the last man standing. I'm really amazed by how hard a man will try to win me over: Orchids, dinner at the most in-demand restaurants, incredible love notes—sometimes even jewelry. It's almost embarrassing what a guy will do to get the girl."

Embarrassing, yeah. A female player's way of remaining cool, coveted and non-committal can drive a guy crazy. The prophet Jay-Z once said, "Don't hate the player, hate the game," but that's a tall order. My best advice? If you find yourself drawn into the web of one of these women, set your pride aside—and bring your checkbook.

Jonathan Small has been played like an Xbox by several women. A freelance writer based in Los Angeles, he's also co-author of the new book, The Best Places to Kiss in Southern California.

[CBGBConnisur]

Brazil isn't the only third world economy catching up with the US, the two most prominent are China and India. China's nominal GDP will surpass Japan's in ten years and surpass the US in 2035. You also have to consider the PPP GDP measure, and by that measure a dollar buys five times in China what it would in the US, in other words they will be able to have the same amount of products at lower cost. If 25 percent of the population are going to wind up in poverty, what kind of future can America expect? I don't think the Europeans are lazy Moore, you obviously haven't been to Europe. Ever notice how much better European automobiles are, the difference in quality between an Audi and a Buick is substantial.

Darkseid, New York is a shithole, I am glad I no longer live there. People in Australia think New York is all money and glamour. While Australians can be cool, they are also the most naive idiots you can meet, the product of living in a sheltered society, they have no clue how easy their lives are compared to just about everyone else, the last time I checked no major disaster or calamity affected Australia. The place is as good as it gets. I was recently visiting New York and saw a group of Australian tourists walking around Long Island City in Queens, and they looked puzzled, they had the idea of a city with streets lined with Ferraris and Benzes, that couldn't be further from reality, even in the richer parts of the city its not like that at all. They got to see what a ghetto in a US city looks like and it sobered them up to reality.

The USA can be a heaven on Earth, unfortunately the powers that be in our government are determined to stuff their selfish ass pockets with money at the expense of the working and middle class American worker. That is fucking bullshit. Like it or not, in history when large numbers of workers are left out and alienated, a political shitstorm occurs, think about the US today and then look at Germany circa 1930, the similiarities are striking.

[Bart9000]

Chocha's "Female Players"-It is exactly this type of behavior that turned me from a naive sweet, generous, flower/drink/present buying, faithful, kind, caring puppydog of a guy into a cynical European prostitute chasing tightwad (towards the AW's anyways-I gladly open my wallet to girls of the rest of the world). There was a young girl the other night who upon some discussion of her coming to my house, started to instruct me in how to please her in terms of providing alcohol (I like X, I like Y etc)-I laughed in her face and told her "you will take what I give you and like it.

The ironic thing is that now I know that being a jerk like that goes a hell of a lot farther towards getting to the wet spot than being a sweet guy who gladly accomodates her wishes.

One thing the posted article failed to mention is that "Brad" is most likely a self absorbed, useless scumbag loser who could't care less if she is live or dead. AW's are basically just "wired backwards". After I returned from my last trip to Prague, I actually walked around saying "Dammit, I have to start being mean to girls again!"

Regarding the Hip Hop fetish towards "thick" women (however it was phrased", I have only one thing to say:

Yo Yo Yo Yo they can have them.

Bart9K

[CBGBConnisur]

From my travel experiences, I have met more people who speak clear English in a large European city than in most US cities. A common joke in Australia, is that the Spanish speakers are going to outnumber English speakers in the US, unless they put a law into effect that you have to read, write, and speak English to live in the US. On a recent trip, I met a Bulgarian brunette who looked better than Angelina Jolie and spoke perfect English with a sexy Eastern European accent, I was wondering why I can't run into a woman like this back home in the US. Anyway decided to stay permanently in Australia, they give me a choice of having 5 weeks or 8 weeks of vacation here.

[Hardbarg]

do looks or likeness count most?

by faye flam
knight ridder news service
august 25, 2005

is dating really a search for that special match, or is it more like a commercial venture – a meat market with the hottest-looking holding all the capital?

science has found an answer using "speed dating," a singles event in which opposite sexes are matched up for a series of encounters of three to four minutes.

psychologist robert kurzban of the university of pennsylvania says his goal was to distinguish between two possible models of mating behavior. one, called the "matching hypothesis," suggests people seek partners like themselves. if you're an ugly green ogre, for example, you'd choose an ugly green ogress over a beautiful princess. "it's kind of the disney model," kurzban says.

the other possibility is the "market model." everyone agrees on who's most attractive, but in the end we're forced to settle for the best we can get. cyrano wants pretty roxanne, not a woman with a huge proboscis. failure to settle ends tragically.

to determine which scenario most closely resembles the real world, kurzban turned to hurrydate, a speed-dating provider. he and colleague jason weeden got 2,650 participants to fill out surveys revealing weight, height, age, number of children, previous marriages and attitudes toward premarital sex. it also asked participants to rate their own faces, bodies and personalities on scales from 1 to 7.

the mechanics of speed dating gave the psychologists a chance to see which participants were chosen most often and by whom. in hurrydate, you rotate through a series of three-or four-minute conversations with each of about 25 possible suitors. after each encounter, you mark a card "no" or "yes." on average, men got a "yes" from 34 percent of the women, while women got the approval of 49 percent of the men. if two yeses match up, the pair can exchange e-mail or phone numbers.

the most important factor determining how many "yeses" you got was your weight in proportion to your height. it made the biggest difference for women, but looks and fitness mattered for men, too. what didn't seem to matter much were personality, religion, education, income, drinking, smoking or children.

in the end, the market model won. the same people were consistently deemed desirable. when it comes to first impressions, at least, beauty is not in the eye of the beholder but in the body of the beholdee.

florida atlantic university psychologist todd shackelford puts it bluntly: people who are 1s and 2s (on a scale from 1 to 10) don't want other 1s and 2s. if you're a 6, say, your partner would rather have a 10, but has to settle for you.

what a cold, calculating world it is.

"i don't see why more people don't go to a gym," says kurzban, that being the most obvious way to boost your market value. still, he says, the extreme emphasis on looks characterizes only the first phase of mate-selection – a "first-pass filter." at this stage, we're driven by animal instincts to find fertile and healthy mates.

[CBGBConnisur]

It might be a cold world, except where I live, there are plenty of good people out there. Frankly, I think over the next couple of decades things will improve abroad economically to create opportunities for living around the world.

As far as Europe is concerned, the Eurochics don't seem to like fast men, maybe the MTV crowd, but the fact that I get ample vacation time to slow down makes it easy to build resonance with European women who prefer men to slow down a bit. I got sandwiched next two Russian 20somethings just yesterday on the plane to Barcelona, one seemed to like me and wanted me to tutor her with her English :). That's one issue, I don't think European women will adjust well to the frenzied pace of life in North America without undergoing changes to their personality and appearance, usually these changes are mostly bad. The issue for Asian and South American women will be different due to mostly to economics. Running water and decent plumbing is a luxury in many parts of Asia and SA. When you take a European/Australian women to the US, a lot of them live in countries that have standards of living comparable but not exact to the US, they live in more sheltered societies, so adjusting to a more cosmopolitan and ultra urban US might be difficult.

[Darkseid]

Do looks or likeness count most?

Florida Atlantic University psychologist Todd Shackelford puts it bluntly: People who are 1s and 2s (on a scale from 1 to 10) don't want other 1s and 2s. If you're a 6, say, your partner would rather have a 10, but has to settle for you.

What a cold, calculating world it is.

"I don't see why more people don't go to a gym," says Kurzban, that being the most obvious way to boost your market value. Still, he says, the extreme emphasis on looks characterizes only the first phase of mate-selection – a "first-pass filter." At this stage, we're driven by animal instincts to find fertile and healthy mates.

This study proves my experiences in Hip Hop clubs the big ugly behemoths (all races) gravitate towards them because they hope to find thin hip hop men who have the fetish for fat or "fattish" as I call it. These women are the 1s or 2s in my standard and yet they hook up with these men.

This is another way American men are castrated. We are no longer the bigger sex but now the American women are bigger and heavier species. This looks like the insect kingdom where the female praying mantis is bigger than the male. After they mate, the female has the male's head. Same thing with marriage, the bigger, fatter, behemoth woman gets almost all of the thinner man's money. American men have become the insect kingdom because of these palimony makers. Women have the driver's seat if they are allowed to become fat and we have to select among these fat women and forced to keep them in marriage or else go broke through divorce. This is really sick!!! More incentive to stay single here and enjoy foreign travel.

Bart9000, I like the way you put it- yo yo yo yo, they could have them. (LOL)

[CBGBConnisur]

I'm in Spain right now and some people here think the typical American woman looks like Angelina Jolie. They should go to the hip hop club you were hanging out at Darkseid. The hip hop pricks could have their lardasses for all I care. I'll fuck Australian surfer chics in the meantime.

[Bart9000]

My friend in the Czech Republic told me that her mother went into shock when she came to visit the US-her image of everyone's life here as more or less "Melrose Place" and "Baywatch" (derived from imported TV of course), was shockingly transformed into "Free Willy".

Something I have been meaning to post about for awhile is that I have seen a lot of recently is much less than desireable (low IQ, morbidly obese, low class, etc) women getting married to "fresh off the boat" type hispanic imigrants who are more or less "normal guys" (average looking, height weight proportionate, etc). Among other things, this demonstrates is that the behavior of optimizing mating prospects through crossing national borders is not exclusively demonstrated by American men. I won't be bringing that up in any arguments however, because I don't want to be lumped into a category with a bunch of "slug" type AW.

"Fattish"-I love it. Right back at you Darkseid!

[Paddy]

Darkseid,

Can only agree with your observations about AW and the fat issue in particular. What's really, really bizzare is that American guys still go after those whales. I guess that we're acclimated to them or something.

Another thing I've noticed where I live is that these "thunder thighs" women almost always have their kids in tow. I mean, guys are actually screwing these fat, ugly bitches! Wow. We American guys have it rough.

Bart and I discovered Eastern European women and that was it for us. If a Czech woman looked like a lot of the women in America, they wouldn't even come out of the house.

[Mike12]

In defense of big woman in the US, alot of them might be fat but they make up for it in personality without being stuck up and having that "I'm a hot ***** and you are just after my pussy attitude". They can be cool people unlike hot AW's who can't get out of their own way. Now I like slender woman, but a J-Lo body type or Minnie Driver will get my attention. What you have to watch out for is when you meet a chick that just lost some weight and thinks she has you for good. Little while later she gains the weight back and more. Happens all the time.

[CBGBConnisur]

You will find fat women everywhere on the planet. Even in places where people tend to be trim you will find them. Its all relative, in the US 80 percent of women are either overweight or obese. J Lo is an attractive woman in an exotic way, women like her in my experience are the most unapproachable ones. The more "common" attractive women tend to be easier. I was hanging out on a beach here in Spain, and saw a group of blonde German women, had no problems whatsoever hooking up with them, but then I saw a very exotic tanned Spaniard, Jessica Alba looalike, and couldn't hit it off with her. A few days earlier
I saw a an exotic Asian woman at Sydney airport and was able to speak to her, she was from Malaysia, she was really tall and had a very exotic look, her eyes were unbelievable.

[Rock Dog]

CBGB,

It's true, there are fat women all over the planet. The problem is that most of them are concentrated here. Just like Saudi Arabia has most of the oil, North America has most of the fat women.

It also seems that the poorest and most uneducated are also the fattest. Has anyone else noticed the same thing? My wife (from Africa) didn't believe me when I told her that all those fat people were mostly poor. This must be the only part of the world where this is so.

Rock

[Bart9000]

Our poor subsist mostly on a diet of incredibly fattening highly processed crap. It's cheap to make, cheap to sell, and has the biggest profit margin for the corporate scumbags make and sell it. Also, it makes them lethargic and less likely to stir things up.

[CBGBConnisur]

I have to disagree with Mike about fat women, I have seen a lot of plus size women in NYC, and many of them aren't friendly, in fact they are nasty as hell, arrogant, and many are obnoxious with silver tongues. Many times when I travel around the world, I see the epitome of class. On a connecting flight from Singapore to Frankfurt, I met a lovely Austrian woman of Turkish origin, she was absolute class and beauty and made a 20 hour flight feel like an hour. She was only a modestly paid flight attendant with an income that is a fraction of women I have met in New York, yet she had ten times more class, and reminded me of a young Jackie Kennedy. Some people from NY might know the anecdote about fat Long Island women. Long Island happens to be one of the wealthiest areas of the United States, and the entire world, and I would say the majority of women I have met there are fat not to mention nasty and obnoxious. I could go to a more working class city like Minneapolis and see that the women there are far more attractive than those in the Northeast, then again a lot of women in Minnesota there trace their roots directly to Scandinavia and Germany.

As far as the issue of poverty is concerned, most Europeans would be considered "poor" by US standards, yet European women are on average slimmer and more attractive than their US counterparts. Germany is the richest country in Europe, but more than half of Germans live in cramped apartments and don't own a home or their own car. They don't seem to indulge in buying unecessary junk food and going out to eat fast food, not as much as American women, since they have less disposable income, and European women are very budget conscious. One Bulgarian lady I met in Germany even refused some rather nice presents I got for her, she loved to cook, and I bought her a set of cooking pots, rather nice, but she turned it away flat.

[Ngp477]

Fact 1. 65% of all Americans are obese by medical standards.

Fact 2. People from New York city or New Jersey are unfriendly, rude, self-centered and arrogant.

Fact 3. People from Minneapolis may be more friendly, but they are also fat. The best place to go for friendly people is Montana or North Dakota. I know from experience because I lived in Mpls for 23 years.

Fact 4. Younger people are slimmer. The women have not had babies yet and once they have babies they get fat.



I am going to the gym right now to do my part and I stay away from New Yorkers. I have in the past been friends with a person from New Jersey, she was nice. But no New Yorkers.

[Sun Devil]

I just got back from a two week trip to Europe and realized afterwards how truly fat Americans, both men and women, are. I could not believe how slim Europeans were, no matter what age. I attribute this to their diet and way of life.

Driving a car is not economically feasible there and the sight of hot Europeans chicks, dressed up fabulously, and riding bicycles was something to behold. There were a numbers of times that I had to take pictures of them riding their bikes on the streets of Amsterdam and Copenhagen because I had to show this phenomena to my pals back in the US.

A great thing about European women, no matter how good looking, is how friendly they were. I was able to talk to attractive total strangers in Spain, Denmark, Germany and the Netherlands quite easily. All one has to do is to act like a gentleman and be nice. I offered my seat in a crowded tram to an attractive German girl in Amsterdam and the next thing you know I had her phone number and a date that night. I think they appreciate that moreso than in the US, where arrogance seems to be a virtue.

I can't wait to get back and going there via Iceland Air is as cheap as going to Costa Rica. Next time, I'll try Eastern Europe. I met some Croatian women on my last trip and they were gorgeous.

[Darkseid]

Mike, I have to disagree with you about obese women being friendly. They are in fact the most arrogant pieces of shits I ever met. They are the meanest sanitation cops, meter maids, and DMV personnel I ever encounter. I don't mean to generalize but EVERY ONE OF THEM were like that and that is because of the feminist -"You go girl", snake-head culture in the big cities such as NYC, Detroit, and Chicago. There might be a few exceptions but there are so few of them that I haven't found any. And this is not because they can't get laid. I'm sure with all these guys with "fattishes" can hook up with them and they get some at least once a week. Also guys that don't travel also think they are the only game in town and think they are doomed to be with these women so they also hook up with them.
These buffaloes are also the worst bitches to break up with. I had a Cuban girl that turned fat because her friend she met at the cursed New York University corrupted her with the feminist behemoth culture and told her to make my life a living hell any way possible. She listened and did that for 2 years before she found a new guy who was into "thick" women. Imagine if I had gotten married, I would have been broke because they are very spiteful and want to make you suffer. As they say about marriage there are 3 rings- engagement ring, wedding ring, and suffer-ring. Divorce from one of these fat AWs is like a Financial Venereal Disease. You suffer financial deterioration for the rest of your life.
The most unfortunate scenario about AW today is that their children are becoming miniature piglets. Gyms and athletic recreational facilities are being replaced by fast food eateries and restaurants. The gymnastics gym I used to work out in was replaced by an eatery with a Burger King, Wendy's, Chinese take-out placed called Panda Express, and a Dunkin Donuts. This location used to be filled with "fit" tumblers, now it is filled with "fat" whales. New York City is becoming a cesspool full of junk food. I could hardly find a place to work out here anymore. There are a few gyms left but they charge $75 a month and I have to bite the bullet and pay that because I can't fit a home gym in my parent's small apartment. I still can't figure why my retired dad won't leave this hellhole but I was forced to move back in with my parents because of Bush and his effect on my financial situation.

[CBGBConnisur]

Fact 2. People from New York city or New Jersey are unfriendly, rude, self-centered and arrogant.

That's the reason why I left, and its also part of the reason why the US is seen negatively in a lot of places. To most people around the world, New York is representative of America, living abroad, I noticed that its the most common destination for a lot of people to visit. I have met people from New York abroad and they perputuate the stereotype of nasty people but then I see someone from the Midwest or West coast and they behave totally different. Australians I know meet mostly Californians who tend to be very laid back so California is Australia's image of the US. Even though I'm from New York, most people don't believe it because I tend to be quiet and mellow.

Life in the Northeast US is a depressing hell on Earth. The interesting thing is that physically northern European countries like Holland, Germany, and the Scandinavian countries resemble Northeastern US cities to some degree but they don't depress the shit out of me, its because of the women.

The WHO did a report about obesity worldwide, it was interesting to read, not surprising the US has the most obese population in the world. The United Kingdom and Ireland ranked second and third. Some of the other countries surprised me, Germany and Russia are considered to be fat countries as well. That beats me because every German or Russian lady I have met seems to be a stick figure. The countries that are moderate included Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Denmark, Japan, Italy, Sweden, and the Netherlands. France is considered to be the skinniest country in the industrialized world according to the report.

[Chocha Monger]

I have asked a number of guys who fuck fat women what do they see in them? The answer always seems to be that the fat women have tighter wetter pussies than the average skinny women. Can anyone here vouch for that? Since I spoke to these guys face to face I suspect that they might have been trying to justify whale fucking in order to avoid being the butt of jokes, so I am looking for an honest answer via the forum.

I have noticed that fat women are a lot more aggressive when it comes to trying to pick-up guys. I have been hit on by many a porker but I have always declined being the prey. The last thing I need to is to be stalked by a plus-size AW, in fact make that any American woman fat or skinny. Their appetite for vengeance after rejection is unsatiable. I question the motives of any AW who appears to be too eager to fuck because it is not their usual nature. Too many AWs are on anti-depressants and other psycho-active meds.

When in Latin America I find it much easier to accept the women being a bit aggressive. I have always heard sex researchers say that the eyes become wider and the pupils dilate when a woman sees a man that she likes, but I never really saw this physiological reaction until I started travelling to Latin America. One can literally see this reaction as you pass attractive women on the side-walk who make eye contact with you. They really give you a little glimpse of the genuine raw passion on the inside. It is almost like you are engaging in foreplay on the street. You will not have any doubt as to what is going on because they behave like that even when you're not dressed up.

Don't try to make eye contact like that in the US unless you want to get maced or locked up. The only way you'll see some obvious pupil dilation here is by pulling out a crisp stack of C-notes while wearing an Armani suit and a diamond encrusted Rolex.

I tend to agree with the concensus that AWs are not necessarily any friendlier when they are fat. Geographic region seems to have a bigger role in civility, with the Northeast being renowned for loud mouthed rude and vulgar people and the Southeast having a reputation for more courteous friendly folks. Coincidentally, the Southeast has a large proportion of fat people and that may be why fat is equated with friendly.

[CBGBConnisur]

Economics is another factor in a woman's behavior, not her appearance. European women on average and many other women around the world live a fairly modest lifestyle compared to US or most Canadian women. I would say only Australian ladies seem to live and shop like American women, but at least they are better in the sex department. I have met a lot of extremely attractive women in Europe doing some rather modest jobs, working in a sandwich shop, a teller in a bank(I met one in Germany who was a total knockout who completely digged yours truly :) ), a train usher, hotel desk clerk, flight attendant, these women in modest positions have more class than American women with MD, CPA, Vice President, JD, or Phd behind their names in high powered positions. Economics is largely an issue of power, the more money you have the more you can do in life, and hence the more power you have. In other words women elsewhere are less "powerful" and therefore nicer.

[Sinanju Master]

CBGB, what the Hell are you complaining about? You lived in the Northeast (NYC specifically) and found it a hell hole? At least YOU were in a cultural, happening hub of activity, even if it WASN'T the best place in the world, chick-wise. Try living in CONNECTICUT! Hartford was BY FAR, the dullest, unfriendly matropolis I have EVER inhabited! I swear, when I transferred to there from the South, it was like living in the book:"1984" . The place and the women were soulless to the point of seeming like it would suck the soul out of ME! MY high points of living there (IF you can call it that) were the two times I traveled on day trips to NYC. No, I didn't find a single pleasant chick THERE, either, but at least YOU lived in the more POPULAR location of the nation's colon...

[Cyberdas]

I thought I post this long article here since it talks about a couple of things that have been posted in this section of the forum recently (i.e. obesity, economy, etc..).

Never Enough

By Laura Barcella, AlterNet. Posted August 26, 2005.

In American Mania: When More is Not Enough, renowned psychiatrist Dr. Peter C. Whybrow skillfully and sensitively critiques the mess America has made of its consumer culture.

What have we become? According to Whybrow’s scientific and philosophical analyses, we’ve devolved into a nation of overindulging, overstimulated flakes addicted to easy access and instant gratification.

Dr. Whybrow argues that our seemingly interminable quest for more -- more money, more power, more toys, more cars -- has in fact become a form of clinical mania marked by symptoms such as anxiety, depression and obesity.

To avoid suffering a collective mental breakdown, Whybrow implores us to stop focusing on things and instead turn our attention to people -- family, friends and community. It's a familiar refrain, but one that clearly needs repeating: If we are to be happy, Americans must stop superficially striving, and learn to prioritize people over products.

Dr. Whybrow spoke with AlterNet from his office in Los Angeles.

AlterNet: In your book, you write that America's "migrant spirit" plays a key role in the development of our culture's mania. Can you explain that idea for those who haven't read the book?

The idea of American mania is that we are drawn into frenzied activity largely by instinctual strivings. This is very natural, and keeps us alive. But the migrant has this striving to an even greater degree than the average person -- if you think about what it is that drives most of us, it's curiosity, it's self-preservation, and also social ambition. These are the three fundamental aspects of what drives individuals and what drives all market societies.

In America, one of the reasons we find the market so compelling and why we're so good at it is that most of us came from somewhere else. Only 2 percent of the world's population actually moves hundreds or thousands of miles away from where they were born; most people die within 50 miles of where they were born, believe it or not.

We're a collection of survivalists; we're a collection of people who are very curious, very assertive, able to figure out what to do with little, to make the best of things, and so on and so forth.

We've built ourselves this wonderful culture -- this wonderful material pleasure palace -- and we're not quite sure how to stop. We've discovered an aberration of the human spirit a little earlier than most other countries -- but everybody's catching up, slowly.

What do you think is the scariest symptom of America's collective frenzy for more, more, more?

I think the scariest part is that we have not started to question it as a nation. Lots of individuals have started to question it, and that's partly why the book has become so popular. But we have to think through what it is that we're doing to ourselves.

Take food, for example -- instinctually we love to eat ... salt; we love fat. And much of the food that we have available to us contains those things; we just overeat and do very bad things to ourselves.

The same is true in terms of our curiosity for information. We can inundate ourselves 24 hours a day now with electronic systems, and all of these things tend to actually push us to the edge of our sociological tolerance.

People are not supposed to eat all day and take no exercise. It's very bad for the human body, and you eventually end up developing Type II diabetes. And if you don't know how to control your time and the technology in your life, you can rapidly become anxious because you worry that you're missing something.

The other thing which is very evident, though some people don't even see it as a behavioral problem, and which you read about everyday in the newspapers, is that people become essentially seduced into engaging in practices which are not good for them.

I just got an email the other day from a person that'd been caught up in the whole dot-com craziness, and [he had] done some "creative accounting" in one of the companies. He realized later -- when he was caught, and with terrible remorse -- that he'd destroyed his life.

But the idea that one needs more -- which is driven in part by social ambition -- makes many people forget the reality of the world, which is, of course, that happiness doesn't come from just material acquisition, whether that means more food, or more information, or more money. It comes from a totally different source: the way in which you spend your life with other people.

What would be the worst possible outcome if Americans continued down the path we're on right now?

Well, on the individual level, which is the way the book is pitched, we will find a rising level of these sorts of disorders that I was just talking about. But I think the greed that we see will become much more individualistic, and much less socially involved. That will begin to slowly destroy the next generation of people, because the way we learn how to live in a society is from others. And if everybody is totally individualistic, we're not going to learn.

But perhaps even more importantly, [we] will find that the economy will begin to collapse, because the signs are already out there. We are consuming too much; we're going well beyond our ability to finance it. We're the biggest debtor in the world now, and a lot of the world economy is based on American consumerism.

That can't last forever. So one of the most painful course corrections could be something very similar to what happened in the 1930s, only it would happen more slowly at the beginning.

For example, as the housing market bursts -- which everybody is beginning to think will happen soon -- most people who have high costs on their mortgages now will find that their houses won't be worth as much, and they won't be able to afford the mortgage. So there's going to be a major economic crisis in that regard. That could be a course correction that will be painful and very unpleasant for folks.

And what do you think we can do to help people understand that this consumer-mania is dangerous?

First of all, the sort of intelligent information-gathering that AlterNet provides with your website will be very helpful, because I think people do read. Americans are intelligent folks. We're not greedy, if we begin to realize that we're harming ourselves. Just as we did with smoking, we will decide to take a different course. The question is, how painful must it become before that happens?

For some individuals it's already happening. For other people, it will probably take evidence -- within their family or within their own economic circumstances -- that things have changed, before they start changing their behavior.

What I would like to see is a growing movement -- which is starting in some parts of the country -- where people realize that they can actually be much happier by living within their means. One of the ways in which we tend to go to extremes now is by purchasing things that we can't really afford and then we mortgage ourselves into the future.

There are a lot of people who are beginning to say, "You know, I don't really want to work two jobs; I don't think I need that second car." It's starting at the individual level, and once that really begins, then it will take hold.

Just let me say, parenthetically, one of the most important things about this country is the entrepreneurial spirit, and the fact that we're very creative, and we're very willing to take risks and so on and so forth. But we have to preserve that space for the seed corn of our culture, and it can only be preserved if we're prepared to have a social infrastructure that allows people to take risks and doesn't persecute them when they fall foul.

If you have an economy that is so stretched out that nobody has any savings, and everybody is busy working as hard as they possibly can just to pay the mortgage, then that is not the social infrastructure that one needs to maintain curiosity and excitement. I think that we need to do this from the standpoint of the health of the culture, and there are some people who are beginning to realize that.

For example, there's a whole movement in Vermont now to secede -- believe it or not -- from the U.S., because they believe that the lifestyle that we are perpetuating in many urban areas is destructive to the rural life. Whether this debate will go anywhere I don't know, but the fact that the debate is beginning is fascinating to me.

What is the connection there between urban vs. rural life? Do you think that this frenzy is more common and more prevalent in urban centers?

Well, the seduction is greater in urban centers. There are two things that occur to me. One, for example, is the commercial drive. It's all, of course, brought back to Wal-Mart, which happens to be the biggest commercial enterprise for the consumer in the country; in the world.

There's overwhelming evidence now that when a Wal-Mart store comes into town, that although the prices at the Wal-Mart stores are lower, it forces out so many businessmen that the local economy is actually worse off at the end, and the taxpayer is worse off at the end.

Many of the jobs provided by Wal-Mart actually end up being without benefits, so employees end up on the public purse... Somebody calculated that the average person saves $58.48 a year by shopping at Wal-Mart.

Another aspect of how our lifestyle tends to erode our culture is that people are trying extremely hard to keep up -- not only with their neighbors, but also just the two jobs they have.

There's an amazing outbreak of amphetamines across the country that you've probably heard of. It's rampant across the country now. Everybody talks about marijuana being the problem. That's not the problem -- it's individuals who are essentially hijacking their pleasure centers, trying to stay awake.

Those types of erosions will, within a generation or two, have a massive effect upon what I consider to be the crucible of the culture: the stable family and community structures, which enable people to grow up and learn how it is to behave in a normal, balanced civil society. When you begin to get large numbers of people who are addicted to amphetamines or to material goods, this fragments families.

And once the family is fragmented and the community is fragmented, the next generation grows up with no real awareness of what it is that they need to do in order to be happy. So you get onto this strange treadmill situation -- it's even a slippery slope really -- where they fall into something without even realizing it's a genuine addiction.

So for all these reasons American Mania's subtitle, When more is not enough, tries to point out that more of what we're doing is actually not going to bring us what we want.

In mania, what happens is that you shoot right past happiness into this terrible disorganized fireworks display which you have no control over. But happiness lies somewhere behind us.

You can be happy with much less information, fewer material goods, much less of the stuff that we have now. But nobody really looks in the rearview mirror -- they're all driving ahead. In fact, we need to do a U-turn, because happiness lies somewhere behind us, not down the road. More cars, more houses, etc., are not going to do it for us.

In the book you wrote about a cultural and biological mismatch that has been actually making us sick. Could you explain that?

The human genome was developed essentially over millions of years, and the only thing that distinguishes us from most other mammals is that we have much greater intelligence. The rational part of the brain that balances the instinctive part is much more developed in us than it is in other animals. That is our great advantage.

Unfortunately, we have used that advantage to create ourselves an environment, inadvertently, which actually is so pleasurable to the instinctual side of our behavior that we now are doing many things which we're not physiologically cut out to do.

Let me give you an example. People who have the most problems with weight gain here in the U.S. are people whose ancestors migrated here long before the Europeans came. So the people who have American Indian blood in their veins, particularly in South America where the Indian-European mix is greater, are the ones who, when they get onto a high-carbohydrate diet, have much more trouble maintaining normal weight, because they're used to very frugal circumstances.

In other words, their particular inheritance is that they can survive on almost nothing. And so when you then give them a high-calorie diet, there's a mismatch between the environment, their diet, and their genome. The genome hasn't changed.

We used to be in a situation where we would run for our supper and if we caught it, we'd eat it. And we had to wait until the next day [to eat again]. So we were much leaner and fitter before our present environment.

So nothing has changed in the genetics of the human being, but the environment we've created, this extraordinary affluence -- we don't really know what to do with it.

We have no experience with it; we're much better at living with scarcity than we are affluence. So the mismatch is the affluent environment with this ancient genome that grew up under scarce circumstances. Only our intelligence will help us understand how to repair that, because the genetics are not going to change fast enough to save us.

But this propensity for affluence and extravagant lifestyles depends on class, education and where you live. What other factors are involved?

All of those things, I think. The people who are more affluent and have better educations recognize many of these things, and because of their resources they're able to step back from the treadmill. But that's not true of all affluent folks. Many affluent families, in fact, drive themselves because they are highly competitive, and they drive their children in a way that schedules them and makes them "little adults," much too young.

There's a lot of evidence, for example, that anxiety in families who earn over $150,000 a year is much greater in the adolescents than it is in those families that earn the average, about $50,000 a year. So affluence does tend to produce these things, but fortunately many people who are wealthier can avoid them once they become aware of them.

The other problem is people who are not as well off. As you know, America has an extraordinary spread of riches, the broadest spread from the poorest to the richest in the world. The poorer people are those who are much more open to eating a very high carbohydrate diet and taking no exercise, and they're the ones who're getting Type II diabetes and hypertension and all the difficulties which go along with overeating. So I think there is a social difference there.

There's also something of a difference, in terms of the way people live, between the coasts. I mean, [people] in Los Angeles are much more frenetic than [people in] Vermont and New Hampshire, for example, as I try to explain in the book. So I think that where you live does tend to influence demand.

When a lot of people around you are affluent, it's natural human envy to want to be like them. And this tends to be homogenized by the way television has created this whole mythology about how people live, which of course is not the way people really live. But in the urban centers, we're constantly bombarded by advertisements for new cars, new clothes, new cell phones, new electronic gadgets. It's very difficult to resist!


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[Dickhead]

I probably wouldn't do too well with women, either, if I still lived with mommy and daddy.

[CBGBConnisur]

I used to live in the outer boros, hardly the Hollywood image of New York cool, lived in a pretty working class area, and wasn't earning enough money to put up with being a pillar for rich folks. Growing up I actually kept away from the window of the apartment building I lived in to avoid getting hit by a stray bullet. All that art and culture is meaningless when you might not have a place to the sleep the following night. The biggest worry I had was winding up hungry, its a dog eat dog city, heartless and brutal, a third world city in a first world country. The good thing about globalization is that now those of us who want to explore the outside world have a chance, economic opportunities are creeping up abroad all over the planet(particularly South and East Asia, Eastern Europe, and South America).

[Le Dragueur]

I'm a new member here, Asian, even though I have a French-sounding handle. Anyway, I'm in the NE US - Mass. to be exact - and it really sucks here. I mean, I'm not even trying to monger or anything, and the attitudes and personalities are pretty much unfriendly all around. Funny thing is, I see a lot of guys who seem right at home with these American women and their mean, cold attitudes. I really can't wait to move out of here. Is it any better in S.California? - cause that's where I was thinking about heading towards. I'm going on a trip to Rio soon. I'll let you know how well I do. Man, this trip is going to wipe out my bank account. It's such a damn shame American women are they way they are.

[Soujourn]

At giving you enough incentive to get the hell out of the states and to a country where you can enjoy! South America, Europe, Asia, etc. After living more than 5yrs away from US -- I'm never homesick or missing the thunder-thighed,flabby assed, loud mouth, quacking, self-rightous, overbearing, snipey, whiney, bitchy, PMS-every-day American females.

[Chocha Monger]

Cyberdas,

I can relate to some of the things that Dr. Whybrow spoke about, not the materialism or the social status part though. You see I really couldn't give a shit about being rich and well known within my community. I am quite content having somewhere modest to keep me dry when it rains and warm when it's cold outside. As long as I can earn a decent enough wage to be able to pay the ex-wife off and avoid getting tossed into prison for default, I am happy as a proverbial clam.

What I do identify with is a drive to get more and more pussy of a higher and higher quality. I can't get enough of fucking beautiful women, just when I think that I have fucked the perfect piece of Latin ass along comes another to prove me wrong. It is not an addiction; it is more like a quest for that perfect gem. While I am here at home I can focus on slaving away at my job without even giving a thought to my next expedition. Abstinence for a few months is not a great challenge for me even though I find some American women physically attractive and maintain platonic relationships with several. I have no sexual interest in them at all.

However, if my passport was to be taken away and I had no means to go hunting for exotic pussy I'd probably die of a heart attack! Anyway, I see a positive side in this, since I do not indulge in AW pussy this means that there is a lot more of it to go around for the guys who do. Everyone wins. As far as, I'm concerned people can continue to impress me with their massive mortgages in the suburbs, their SUVs and their designer clothes. If the economy collapses I'll move abroad and go native. I figure if I'm going to go through hard times I may as well do it surrounded by hot pussy in a warm climate. :D

[Domino]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050901/ap_on_re_as/hong_kong_milkshake_murder
This AW was found guilty in HK of bumping off her millionaire husband with a milkshake and pounding the repairman because the husband butt fucked her. Lucky repairman, unlucky husband, poor wife who will now have to dyke it inside.
Seems Fats Domino got washed away in The Big Easy disaster. Another little piece of heaven vanishes.
postscript: Fats Domino was lost but now is saved. Anyone else remember then Getting Tang saw Mel Gibson's passion of the Christ movie and was converted, for all of about 24 hours?

[Chocha Monger]

That's a stiff price to pay for butt fucking an AW. Interestingly enough she claimed self defense. Maybe having his multi-million dollar dick jammed up her ass felt like being attacked with a baseball bat. She didn't mind having the repairman stick his plunger up her ass though.

The sad part about all this is that the guy could have been in Brazil butt fucking eager hot garotas, instead he ended up bludgeoned to death and wrapped in a carpet. If there is one thing I learned about divorcing American women it is that you must get as far away from them as possible before even showing any intention of filing for divorce. Hell hath no rage like a butt-fucked AW.

This is why we must stay the course at the ISG until all of our brothers know that there are alternatives to AW.

[CBGBConnisur]

A friend of mine got back from a long trip around South America, he had some photos and videos of the women he saw in Costa Rica, when I got a look at some of those beauties I couldn't believe what I was seeing, these women are top rate. I think I might plan a stopover in Costa Rica on my way to Buenos Aires this December.

[Darkseid]

Geez, having anal with that woman wasn't worth it. He could have had anal with a gorgeous German FKK girl or a pretty garota in Brazil. Or since he is in Hong Kong, he could have done an AMP girl that looks like Lucy Liu anally. He's a millionaire but unfortunately he probably doesn't like the idea of paying for sex like most American men.
Most of my co-workers make fun of that idea and that is why our idea of a prostitute is not a stunning young thin chick but it is the trashy messed up looking drug addict like Courtney Luv dressed like Madonna. You see the difference when you go to a Nevada brothel as opposed to going to an FKK or a Terma. The Nevada women are trashy, old, or fat and the leftovers of women from society. The German FKK ot the Termas are top-notch because the owners know you are paying for that tang.

[CBGBConnisur]

I was watching the devastation in New Orleans and I it was eery to see that it reminded me of the scenes in Asia after the Tsunami. I was in disbelief that the victims of the hurricane have been all but ignored, looting, children without food or drinking water, c'mon this is the world's wealthiest and most powerful country!! Jesus Christ!!!

[Moore]

CBGBConnisur,

I think you should start a new thread titled "Why I hate the USA". You seem to be obsessed with it.

I remember a few years ago I was working with a group of about 5 Australian software consultants that were on a 6-month project in the USA. Like most Australians Ive met, they were personable, positive, and fun to drink beer with. For some reason I believe you wouldnt fit in so well in Australia. Sure, they had some criticisms of the USA, but no country is perfect. One of their complaints was that local American software consultants were making 2 or 3 times what they made. I do remember how impressed they were with our standard of living - the cars they had, the apartment complexes they were housed in, the shopping, the prices, etc. I remember that one of the girls thought the automatic icecube maker in her freezer was great - she had never seen one before. Maybe I remember that because I could imagine someone from Russia or North Korea being impressed something like this, but an Australian commenting about such a simple gadget that we all have really surprised me. Most of the consultants intended to stay in the USA, mainly because the job opportunities were so far superior to those of their home country.

[CBGBConnisur]

I did notice Australians get amazed by things we Americans take for granted. The prices of consumer electronics and cars can be astronomical, but at the same time I bought a very comfortable home that would have costed me six times as much in a comparable US locale. I certainly don't dislike America but I do think the current leadership is pretty much ruining a lot of the progress made in the US during the 1990's and I certainly don't like the changes that are occuring there these days. The IT industry in the US today is changing, you have no job security whatsover because of globalization. As far as finding women, Australia is a considerable improvement over the US and Canada, its not Eastern Europe or South America but its a big improvement. If you really think about it, that corporate rat race is all about being able to get a place near a white sandy beach and getting pussy, I have found both to be easy to find in Ozzie.

One of my friends worked at a top company in Silicon Valley, he has two master's degrees, and wound up unemployed for 2 years after the dotcom crash. Last I heard he was an assistant manager of a Dunkin Donuts in Santa Clara.

Who the hell said I hate America? I voted for Kerry who ACTUALLY FOUGHT IN VIETNAM unlike the two draft dodgers in the White House today. People who hate America as in the American people voted for Bush II.

Actually there is a country I HATE, its CANADA, I hate Canadians.

[Going To China]

I was watching the devastation in New Orleans and I it was eery to see that it reminded me of the scenes in Asia after the Tsunami. I was in disbelief that the
victims of the hurricane have been all but ignored, looting, children without food or drinking water, c'mon this is the world's wealthiest and most powerful country!! Jesus fucking Christ!!! It largely solidifies my belief that the US is becoming a third world country.From politics to anything, you will cry about it. Same as I was reading YOU voted for Kerry. Let me think this out loud for YOU.

What did Kerry get purple hearts for:

1. Piece of rice stuck in his ass.

2. A little piece of metal that he pushed to have the doctor cut out, something anyone would have taken out themselves.

3. Saved someone's life, NOT EVEN. He heard gun fire and turned his boat around, when the firing stopped he saw a guy in the water.

HOW to leave a war zone as fast as you can, fake something 3 times and get purple hearts for things YOU DON'T deserve.

And YES, I was in the Vietnam war so can say this.

NOW on to New Orleans you dumb son of a B.

They have known of the problem for over a 100 years and the water coming into the
city was who's fault, KATRINA was her name. Katrina Hit on Monday, Still in area on Tuesday and by Wednesday supplies have been coming into the city.

We heard some black man say it was because they are black is why no one is there. Truly amazing, I could see YOU saying same thing.

Lets think this out for you since you don't think well we have noticed.

Black Mayor was first to get out of town.

Black Police

In fact, almost all Black City that knew if a storm like this hit, the city would be gone.

There are other parts of the South that were hit hard also.

SO next time you are about to write something, don't have gum in your mouth, you cant think and have gum in mouth at same time.

Dumb dumb dumb, NO ONE is ignoring them. I wasted way to much time on YOU.

ONE last Question, Have you ever sent money or done anything to help either group. I was in Thailand when it hit for xmas, SO DONT Fucking talk about something you dont know but for watching TV on your chair you fat ass.

[CBGBConnisur]

Well go to China I have a Fat ASS?? Me? I spend over 30 hours a week lifting weights. I was actually even considered to be the new Superman but a younger guy got it. I could pop your fat head if I placed it between my bicep and forearm. You can stay in China with them "Give me 10 Dolla and me love you long time" dolls. I visited Hong Kong once and didn't like it at all, I don't think I would like a place where people eat cats and dogs and don't believe that people don't have a soul. Anyway I wouldn't feel right about getting with a woman that seems to have a financial incentive.

The area where my mother lives used to be predominantly Irish and Italian, now its Mexican and Caribbean, and the neighborhood is going to hell. When I was there recently, people were blaring their rap, salsa, reggae, and other crud music in the street. I don't got nothing against minorities, but I think they should integrate better. If these people want to live in the US they should speak English and learn to accept our Anglo-European culture, otherwise they are going to create problems.

[Domino]

You can stay in China with them "Give me 10 Dolla and me love you long time" dolls. .... Anyway I wouldn't feel right about getting with a woman that seems to have a financial incentive.
The area where my mother lives ... When I was there recently, people were blaring their rap, salsa, reggae, and other crud music in the street. I don't got nothing against minorities, but I think they should integrate better. If these people want to live in the US they should speak English and learn to accept our Anglo-European culture, otherwise they are going to create problems.
Dude:
1. This is a board about fucking cheap women, prostitutes, skanks, tarts with hearts. Do Ocker skanks fuck you for the financial incentive of money? Or are they all jacked up on smack?
2. Why do you not like salsa and reggae, the music they play in heaven? You think it is crude? Are you happy Fats Domino survived the Flood?
3.In suggesting that Fats Domino "should accept our Anglo-European culture", are you suggesting he abandons jazz for the Ku Klux Klan?

Peace to everyone. I am looking forward to a Prokofiev update.

[Chocha Monger]

isn't strange how everything in america comes down to race or ethnicity? when people get frustrated they are always quick to say that it's because they are of this or that race, or they are quick to say that others have problems because they are of this or that race. it is sad that this country is divided. people like to pretend that the divisions don't exist but when there is stress it shows.

at first i was shocked by what i was seeing on tv, the footage reminded me of somalia. the fact that there were people trying to shoot down military helicopters angered me in particular, perhaps because it could have been me on that bird trying to help them and taking fire for it. i have see desperate people fight over our discarded food abroad as we tried to burn it because it was not considered fit for human consumption. it was terrible seeing such things and one never imagines that a similar level of desperation and lawlessness can be reached back home given the right set of circumstances.

after getting over the initial effects of the footage i realized that i was just seeing american society at its worst. the very things that make us successful under normal circumstances act against us during a disaster, namely our individualistic and opportunistic nature, and a sense of being invulnerable. we are the only super power, right?

if you look at the footage you will see that a lot of the people who remained in new orleans were elderly, sick, poor, etc. a few had the means to leave before the hurricane struck but were overly optimistic and chose to "ride it out". then beneath all of this are the wolves among the sheep, the people who stood behind with the intention of taking advantage of the resulting chaos to steal, [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) and kill. these wolves exist in all societies and would prey upon the weak if there was a break-down in law and order. let no one assume that this behavior cannot occur in any other metropolis anywhere in the world.

as usual the media and the politicians will exploit this disaster to the fullest extent for their own personal gains. so, i am not surprised that a natural disaster is being given a political and racial spin. the same thing happened among different ethnic and political factions in tsunami struck regions, accusations will abound.

now, lets leave the flaming behind and get back to topic on this board, skanks. with rising gas and heating oil prices aw will no doubt be feeling a bite in the purse and will be looking for some sponsors to give much needed cash infusions for xmas. this could very well turn into a buyer's market for us mongers.

[Bart9000]

I'm going to throw in with my buddy CB. Although there are some great things about the United States, particularly in past accomplishments, it's state and actions today are an absolute travesty.

The last election validated that more or less half of the country is hypocritical, puritanical, paternalistic, bible thumping, nascar loving, assholes who made a man who has the two dimensional intellect of a public school PE teacher, and his puppet masters to the most powerful men on the planet.

I actually used to be an (economic issued oriented-I've always been pretty much a social liberal) right winger, who made fun of "kooks". I now believe that there is a far reaching conspiracy on the parts of those in power to transfer money into their own pockets. For example (all political posturing aside), a sneaky side effect of the incapacitating Iraq was that it's oil production nearly ceased (economically a reduction in supply). This of course increased it's market price, and put billions into the pockets of other oil producers-Bush friendly Saudi's, and Texas oil concerns for example. Oh, but that must just be a coincidence. Same thing with throwing a war that is catered by Halliburton. Hmmmm.

I'm out of here, as soon as I get a portable income source up and running. I'm sure that some on this board will be joining me.

One last thing-CB may be overstating a bit when he says the US will be a third world contry, but he is on the right track. History validates that civilizations rise and fall. At different periods of time, the people of Italy, Hungary, Great Britan, Turkey, etc would have found it inconceiveable that they would not be the world leaders.

[Moore]

Absolutely lets get back to the topic of this board, which is AW. That is why I made my last post asking CBGB to stop posting irrelevant and consistently anti-American opinions.

So you want to kick the shit out of us neocom pinko faggots for disagreeing with you, eh CBGB? And you represent the small percentage of civilized, educated Americans? Scary. I believe the reason you hate the white/black trash you see on American TV is because you see yourself. You post about the poor English Americans speak but you write that you "would love to kick your asses in real good." You have the English of Shakespeare my friend. Again you´re simply projecting your own shortcomings on other people with the same shortcomings.

Enough of that, lets get back to AW...which still suck.

[Bart9000]

I happened to meet a girl from Columbia this evening. WOW. She was "muy bonito", and just shy and sweet as you could imagine. If they all look like that down there, I may have to book a trip to South America. Also, I noticed that she looked at 24, like a girl of 16 (is that typical?-I know that American dietary habits and lifestyle rush maturity and aging)

By the way, I made a grammatical error in my last post-an "is" should have been an "are". Happens to the best of us.

[Monger#77]

i have found that american women are the most reverse sexist women in the world. they think their rep001 doesnt stink; it smells like ice cream. they expect men to pay for the privilege of being in their presence. they have the most rights of any human beings to ever live on the planet, yet they are still unhappy. they believe men conspire to pay them 76 cents on the dollar, [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) them, sexually harass them. they think that cooking or doing anything else nice for a man is slavery. so they will refuse to do it. they believe being argumentative and confrontational is what makes a strong woman. they prefer the frat boys, rich kids in bmws, and bad boys while theyre young and in their prime, then when they have 3 kids, sagging breasts, stretchmarks, varicose veins, they expect the nice men they ignored in their youth to come be a surrogate daddy to kids who arent his. american women complain that men are too aggressive in their approach. but if american women actually did their half of the work (initiating a conversation every once in a while or asking men out); if american women knew how to flirt (and meant it instead of flirting for attention then turning the guy down); if american women actually knew how to flirt instead of acting like cowards, then men wouldnt have to jump at the slightest sign of interest.

american women think their sexuality is worth more than men's. i know cause ive been to europe where women exchange sex -in- exchange for sex. here the women want to be impressed with both social and financial status before they will have sex with a man. their ideal man is a rich excon/thug. they dont realize that these two are polar opposites. you hear women saying "i like bad boys", and in the same breath they will say "i just want a man who wont treat me like crap." newsflash, sister. a bad boy will treat you like crap.

basically women dont have any social constraints on their behavior, because that is "oppressive", but it was for the good of everyone that women's behavior was regulated. men have violence, and there are laws against it. women have emotional terrorism, attention-whoring, acceptable prostitution, etc. these can not be legislated against. there must be social constraints against them. american society has convinced women that they are always right; that anything bad is a man's fault. so women will act free to do as they wish, with no consideration for anyone else.

i've come to realize that most american women have a princess mentality. this manifests itself when they need their "attention fix." their parents fully convinced them that they were entitled to everything, and that few men are good enough for what they have. american women will stare at you from across the room, smile, and gawk at you for hours. then when you approach one they will say they have a boyfriend. they will come up to you on a daily basis, rub your arm, smile and say hi. then when you ask them to hang out they will say you got the wrong idea. they will initiate a conversation with you every time they see you for weeks, as if they're interested (yes im aware that it doesnt always mean theyre interested). they will exchange numbers with you and say "call me anytime." then when you call and leave messages they wont answer. they wont call you either. or they will talk to you or date you a few times and you'll think everything's fine. then she will stop taking your calls. the next time you see her she's got her fat nose up in the air, laughing at you, as if she were some highly sought after prize.

since the victorian age, in anglo societies (us, uk, canada, oz, nz), women were put on a pedestal because they were the mothers of future generations. this was a probably a good idea at the time, because up to one-third of women died during child birth. so this inspired men's natural chilvarous nature to protect women. it is ok to put women on a pedestal as long as they are going to adhere to the rules of sexual constitution - not sleeping around. once a woman starts to sleep around, then her sex isnt of higher value than men's. the whole reason for putting women on a pedestal was because they would be mothers and they werent having sex with many men. the moment that women became sexually liberated, putting women on a pedestal should have been eliminated. but unfortunately women still hold onto the old notions that their sexuality is worth more than men's simply because theyre women. so they arent interested in a man who's on their level. no, a normal man is invisible. women want men who are many levels above them. but the women dont want to provide anything in return except for sex. this is in no way an equal partnership if one person brings more to the table and does most of the work while the other brings nothing and does no work.

as a result, women have almost nothing to offer men - except sex. they are no longer women, but instead walking caricatures of men in women's bodies. women are fully convinced of their moral superiority. just try disagreeing with one, especially if your opinion is not politically correct. you will find that you are no longer entitled to your own opinoin. in fact, you're an ignorant bastard, and you'd better change your opinion to fall in line with hers. these women have no problem with nagging, shaming, guilt tripping, insulting, withholding affection, etc to get their way. this is what happens when you convince women that they are always right; that women can do no wrong; that women are the ones who are really 'fair, just' etc.

the whole concept that a man should buy a woman a ring worth two months of his salary is further evidence of how degraded society is and how spoiled women are. in every other society, the father has to pay a dowry for the husband to accept his daughter. in america, women expect some diamond so she can impress her friends. that's fine, but is she going to spend $12,000 on her husband? is she going to put $12,000 down on the house?

i know some guys think certain western women are just as bad as american women. but in europe, being male isnt seen as being a crime as it is here in the states. women will automatically become more materialistic when their nation acculumates wealth (even in eastern countries, women's number one past-time is shopping). what is not natural is women thinking they are entitled to something just because they're women; that they are morally superior; that they should be catered to; that the man should always pay; that they are entitled to all the benefits of equality with none of the responsibilities and men should treat them in an old fashioned manner while the women snub that role.

i could go on forever.

[Rock Dog]

Tyhiggs77,

There's a simple principle that explains everything that you've noticed. It's called supply and demand. They make the demand, then they supply the pu**y. I'd like to mean that as a joke, but that's pretty much how it works.

Since women in these parts are geberally unwilling to put out, the effective supply of p*ssy is quite low. Since the demand is constantly high, the p*ssy value has to remain high.

Women know this and make full benefit from the situation.

Socially speaking, things are up in the air right now and will likely remain this way for at least a couple more decades. Contraceptive use, female employment, political correctness and the resulting female empowerment have thrown the tradtional genders roles for a loop.

In plain english, that means that women are in a confused, uncertain state while men are pretty much still men.

I disagree with what you said about equal value for sex. Even in Europe, where the situation may not be as bad. Since the beginning of time, men have been giving dick away for free. Therefore, p*ssy will always be "worth" more.

Rock

[Monger#77]

Tyhiggs77,

There's a simple principle that explains everything that you've noticed. It's called supply and demand. They make the demand, then they supply the pu**y. I'd like to mean that as a joke, but that's pretty much how it works.

Since women in these parts are geberally unwilling to put out, the effective supply of p*ssy is quite low. Since the demand is constantly high, the p*ssy value has to remain high.

Women know this and make full benefit from the situation.

Socially speaking, things are up in the air right now and will likely remain this way for at least a couple more decades. Contraceptive use, female employment, political correctness and the resulting female empowerment have thrown the tradtional genders roles for a loop.

In plain english, that means that women are in a confused, uncertain state while men are pretty much still men.

I disagree with what you said about equal value for sex. Even in Europe, where the situation may not be as bad. Since the beginning of time, men have been giving dick away for free. Therefore, p*ssy will always be "worth" more.

RockYou are quite correct with your supply and demand explanation.

Pussy is always worth something. I was in Germany for a year. I was not mongering, but I was slutting around to the best of my ability, and I lived with a few different women during that time. I was taken care of to say the least. Many men have no idea how good it feels to have a woman say "I think you need a good woman to take care of you," and the proceed to cook you a good dinner everynight or buy you a good German beer. The only thing I ever had to pay for was half of the price of gas, because the cost of gas over there is higher than it is here. But other than that, I had gfs that were willing to drive me 100 miles out of their way because they knew I had to return my rental car. I never specifically asked for anything. Everything they did for me was voluntary without coersion. All they wanted from me was for me to appreciate them. And it isnt like they wanted me to bring them back here. i actually brought it up with a couple of women. Most of them said no. Of ocurse over there they can milk the system for welfare, kindergeld, child support from the ex, and never have to work a day in their lives. Here, they'd have to work to have the same lifestyle.

When I went to clubs, I'd have women come initiate conversations with me, and 4-5 hrs later we'd be in my room having sex. I met other women who would say "would you like to meet me at club x tomorrow?" or "Can we see us tonight?" I guess 'each other' doesnt translate well. I would often say, "Sure, you can come over tonight. Just bring me something to eat." They'd bring me food, juice, beer.

If anything, those women were paying me, and not the other way around. My next trip will be to either Romania or Czech Rep.

[Deal Seeker]

Tyhigs77,

Amen, brother.

[Sinanju Master]

The concept of a dowry has been around almost since the beginning of recorded history. The concept of giving a woman a ENGAGEMENT ring (in the modern context), however, has been around only since Colonial America. If I remember correctly, the ring was insurance against the perceived "devaluation" of the woman if the marriage didn't occur. I could be slightly wrong on this, but not much, I believe.

And speaking of engagement rings, my bud, with whom I now have almost NO contact since his marriage in November, '03, was confronted with (and eventually married) a problem. His now-wife wanted an engagement ring of AT LEAST 1 KARAT! She told him this AFTER knowing that he was paying his ex-wife child support, and that he was up to his eyeballs with other financial obligations. ALSO, when they were dating (she made close to $20,000 MORE than he did at the time) she would expect him to pay for EVERYTHING even though she KNEW of his financial difficulties!! I know one thing; that pussy had BETTER be more awe-inspring than the BIG BANG itself, for him to enter into that marriage KNOWING what was likely ahead for him.

[Monger#77]

Tyhigs77,

Amen, brother.
;) You got that right!



And speaking of engagement rings, my bud, with whom I now have almost NO contact since his marriage in November, '03, was confronted with (and eventually married) a problem. His now-wife wanted an engagement ring of AT LEAST 1 KARAT! She told him this AFTER knowing that he was paying his ex-wife child support, and that he was up to his eyeballs with other financial obligations. ALSO, when they were dating (she made close to $20,000 MORE than he did at the time) she would expect him to pay for EVERYTHING even though she KNEW of his financial difficulties!! I know one thing; that pussy had BETTER be more awe-inspring than the BIG BANG itself, for him to enter into that marriage KNOWING what was likely ahead for him.Isn't it funny how women claim to be strong and independent until they need something? Women want the best of equality and chivalry. When it comes to the bills, women want men to be chivalrous. But if a man were the ask a woman to make him dinner or stop being argumentative, she'd gladly remind them that men and women are equals now, that she isnt going to cook for him, and if he doesnt like it, it means he cant handle a strong independent woman.

It is my position that American women are simply making the lives of their men unbearable. Men simply dont know how to treat women, and women dont want to be held to any kind of standard. The same standards they hold on men are the same ones they'd never want to be held to.

For example, most women want a tall man -6'1'' or taller - who is muscular. OK thats fine. I dont knock anyone for their preferences (nevermind the fact that less than 20% of men will fall into this category). The thing is, if you are a 6'1'' 225lbs of rockhard muscle man and you make it clear to the average 5'5'' 170lbs American women that you only date woman who take care of their bodies, eat right, and workout (i.e. the ones who are not fat like them), they will call you a superficial jerk. They will say "why cant the inside matter?" blah blah blah. My answer for that is this: Everyone is attracted to the outside first, and from a biological point of view, obesity is not attractive because it signals ill-health. And as for the inside, if the person actually had self-respect, they'd diet and exercise to stay within the healthy range. So their insides are just as messed up as their outside if they dont have the self respect to stop eating junkfood. Their retort? The woman could have diabetes. Sure she could. Adult diabetes is brought on from gorging on sugary foods. So I still have no sympathy. The fact of the matter is that 66% of American women cant have some metabolic imbalance. It is simply impossible. Women just want men to excuse women for their self inflicted problems, but lets assume a man was 5'5'' and 125. That is not a problem of his own creation. Do you think those very same fat women would give a shorter man a chance?

For me, it was only after travelling that I realized that this isnt the natural behavior of women. It is the result of women being above all criticism. If you cant criticize women when they act up, then when women do act up, there's nothing to prevent them. Add this to the fact that women still think they are always right because they believe they have some gynocentric sense of fairness passed down to them from the ages, and the fact that the price of sex is inflated in the states by puritanical and victorian leftover attitudes, and you will see that this is a recepie for disaster.

[Ngp477]

I think the diamond engagement ring is to show a sign of sincerety and investment in one's future with his wife. It also gets noticed by other men, as a sign that she is off the market.

I had dated a well-shaped young blonde haired lady, college grad and 10 years my junior, who told me she wanted a 3 carat diamond ring for her engagement. My ex-wife called her the blonde bimbo.

The girl would periodically make remarks that we would make a good team, and that she wanted to settle down. She had also said she wanted a BMW convertible. Of course I would not comply with her status symbol demands. Every 6 months or so we would date for a while until her drinking ended in a scene. Then 6 months later I would hear from her, she would offer me her pussy again, and we would date for awhile again. Her drinking and mouth kept me from commitment.

She died a couple of years ago from liver\drinking problems at age 38, still no takers, and single.

[Sinanju Master]

Ngp477, her remark: "we would make a good team" really was meant to say by HER: "I think YOU could do well to provide for ME". In your post, it seemed like SHE was the vulture circling YOU, waiting for an opening she could exploit. NOWHERE in your post did you mention what SHE could bring to the table to make it an EQUITABLE relationship. Before marriage, BOTH parties have to work to make themselves presentable to the other in many ways, BUT after the wedding, she can coast and get fat, mean, vindictive, greedy etc. and Society will IMMEDIATELY blame the MAN for the failure of the relationship. I'm sorry for your loss, but that was a disaster waiting to happen.

[Moore]

Thank God that most of us have experience outside of the USA, where it is much more common for the man to call the balls or at least be on equal footing as the woman. I believe that American men, most of whom know little to none about life outside of the USA, strongly contribute to the AW problem simply by putting up with their BS.

[Smut Villain]

i have found that american women are the most reverse sexist women in the world. they think their rep001 doesnt stink; it smells like ice cream. they expect men to pay for the privilege of being in their presence. they have the most rights of any human beings to ever live on the planet, yet they are still unhappy. they believe men conspire to pay them 76 cents on the dollar, [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) them, sexually harass them. they think that cooking or doing anything else nice for a man is slavery. so they will refuse to do it. they believe being argumentative and confrontational is what makes a strong woman. they prefer the frat boys, rich kids in bmws, and bad boys while theyre young and in their prime, then when they have 3 kids, sagging breasts, stretchmarks, varicose veins, they expect the nice men they ignored in their youth to come be a surrogate daddy to kids who arent his. american women complain that men are too aggressive in their approach. but if american women actually did their half of the work (initiating a conversation every once in a while or asking men out); if american women knew how to flirt (and meant it instead of flirting for attention then turning the guy down); if american women actually knew how to flirt instead of acting like cowards, then men wouldnt have to jump at the slightest sign of interest.

american women think their sexuality is worth more than men's. i know cause ive been to europe where women exchange sex -in- exchange for sex. here the women want to be impressed with both social and financial status before they will have sex with a man. their ideal man is a rich excon/thug. they dont realize that these two are polar opposites. you hear women saying "i like bad boys", and in the same breath they will say "i just want a man who wont treat me like crap." newsflash, sister. a bad boy will treat you like crap.

basically women dont have any social constraints on their behavior, because that is "oppressive", but it was for the good of everyone that women's behavior was regulated. men have violence, and there are laws against it. women have emotional terrorism, attention-whoring, acceptable prostitution, etc. these can not be legislated against. there must be social constraints against them. american society has convinced women that they are always right; that anything bad is a man's fault. so women will act free to do as they wish, with no consideration for anyone else.

i've come to realize that most american women have a princess mentality. this manifests itself when they need their "attention fix." their parents fully convinced them that they were entitled to everything, and that few men are good enough for what they have. american women will stare at you from across the room, smile, and gawk at you for hours. then when you approach one they will say they have a boyfriend. they will come up to you on a daily basis, rub your arm, smile and say hi. then when you ask them to hang out they will say you got the wrong idea. they will initiate a conversation with you every time they see you for weeks, as if they're interested (yes im aware that it doesnt always mean theyre interested). they will exchange numbers with you and say "call me anytime." then when you call and leave messages they wont answer. they wont call you either. or they will talk to you or date you a few times and you'll think everything's fine. then she will stop taking your calls. the next time you see her she's got her fat nose up in the air, laughing at you, as if she were some highly sought after prize.

since the victorian age, in anglo societies (us, uk, canada, oz, nz), women were put on a pedestal because they were the mothers of future generations. this was a probably a good idea at the time, because up to one-third of women died during child birth. so this inspired men's natural chilvarous nature to protect women. it is ok to put women on a pedestal as long as they are going to adhere to the rules of sexual constitution - not sleeping around. once a woman starts to sleep around, then her sex isnt of higher value than men's. the whole reason for putting women on a pedestal was because they would be mothers and they werent having sex with many men. the moment that women became sexually liberated, putting women on a pedestal should have been eliminated. but unfortunately women still hold onto the old notions that their sexuality is worth more than men's simply because theyre women. so they arent interested in a man who's on their level. no, a normal man is invisible. women want men who are many levels above them. but the women dont want to provide anything in return except for sex. this is in no way an equal partnership if one person brings more to the table and does most of the work while the other brings nothing and does no work.

as a result, women have almost nothing to offer men - except sex. they are no longer women, but instead walking caricatures of men in women's bodies. women are fully convinced of their moral superiority. just try disagreeing with one, especially if your opinion is not politically correct. you will find that you are no longer entitled to your own opinoin. in fact, you're an ignorant bastard, and you'd better change your opinion to fall in line with hers. these women have no problem with nagging, shaming, guilt tripping, insulting, withholding affection, etc to get their way. this is what happens when you convince women that they are always right; that women can do no wrong; that women are the ones who are really 'fair, just' etc.

the whole concept that a man should buy a woman a ring worth two months of his salary is further evidence of how degraded society is and how spoiled women are. in every other society, the father has to pay a dowry for the husband to accept his daughter. in america, women expect some diamond so she can impress her friends. that's fine, but is she going to spend $12,000 on her husband? is she going to put $12,000 down on the house?

i know some guys think certain western women are just as bad as american women. but in europe, being male isnt seen as being a crime as it is here in the states. women will automatically become more materialistic when their nation acculumates wealth (even in eastern countries, women's number one past-time is shopping). what is not natural is women thinking they are entitled to something just because they're women; that they are morally superior; that they should be catered to; that the man should always pay; that they are entitled to all the benefits of equality with none of the responsibilities and men should treat them in an old fashioned manner while the women snub that role.

i could go on forever.

tyhigs, as a fellow niceguy's forum member let me be the first to welcome you here. you'll find that a lot of these guys have also become "unplugged" from the "feminatrix" :)

[Harimau Malaya]

I would like to add on something to Rock Dog's assumption. If you guys have ever noticed the media, TV shows and ads in the United States you can see how Americans are so obsessed with blond women. It seems that so many American men want their women to be blond. Even blacks, asians and hispanic women are dying their hair blond and it seems that blond women have the highest value in America even if she is ugly and fat by world standards. Suprisingly many Americans see women with 150 lbs with proportional height as ok.

Besides that, I would like to touch on the very sensitive racial issue. Every men of all races wants to date and fuck a white women, so the value of white women in the USA goes up like the price of gas over time. So many guys want them even the heavyweights. No offense here, I'm not a white person myself.

In addition, white American males can date asian and hispanic women are dying to sleep with them. Many asian women want to date white men so their offspring can be light skinned and climb the social ladder. I also have noticed how hispanic women also trip over themselves to date white men. They also want light skinned offsprings and a chance to climb the social ladder. Light skinned Hispanics also generally discriminate other dark skinned hispanics. Its all about supply and demand in different categories. My hyphothesis may not be true in all cases, but I think generally this is how it is.

[Hardbarg]

Socially speaking, things are up in the air right now and will likely remain this way for at least a couple more decades. Contraceptive use, female employment, political correctness and the resulting female empowerment have thrown the tradtional genders roles for a loop.

In plain english, that means that women are in a confused, uncertain state while men are pretty much still men.


Well said RD. Glad someone has finally made this observation. We are in the early stages of a profound sociological upheaval. I doubt there has ever been anything like it before. The changes overwhelmingly advantage women, and they are not reacting very well, especially in the US.

The new reality for women is in exact opposition to their most basic biological instincts. They are blundering around and lashing out. Us guys are pretty much just along for the ride. Decades is a conservative estimate of how long before a new equilibrium develops.

[Monger#77]

Well said RD. Glad someone has finally made this observation. We are in the early stages of a profound sociological upheaval. I doubt there has ever been anything like it before. The changes overwhelmingly advantage women, and they are not reacting very well, especially in the US.

The new reality for women is in exact opposition to their most basic biological instincts. They are blundering around and lashing out. Us guys are pretty much just along for the ride. Decades is a conservative estimate of how long before a new equilibrium develops.You are largely correct. When women become educated and hold higher paying jobs, they are 4 times as likely to divorce their husbands as a woman who has only attended high school. This is simply because they dont need the husband around and because American women have been trained to be ever more demanding than is reasonable. Plus they think a man is going to make them happy, be their white knight/prince, and solve all their problems. After they have kids, these women realize that they're no happier than they were before, and they blame the husband for this.

At the lower and middle socioeconomic levels, it is the institution of child support and welfare that enables women to choose the cads. (Note: I am not saying men should not support their children). If women knew they would never get welfare for those illegit kids, they would think twice before they had sex with the excon/thug/badboy/biker. She wouldnt get a dime for the support of those children. She would be forced to find a decent man to take care of her.

The same goes for child support. If women knew that if they decided to leave the marriage that they couldnt take the man's money with them, then many women simply wouldnt leave their husbands.(70-80% of divorces are initiated by women for any given year) Giving women child support (which is really adult support because it is a percentage of the man's income, not one-half the actual expenses of the child) gives women the incentive to leave men - she can cash out - especially knowing she IS going to get custody.

Women's financial independence, child support, and welfare undermine the role of the father. For more information: http://www.mugu.com/cgi-bin/Upstream/Library/Amneus/garbage/index.html

[Chocha Monger]

The same goes for child support. If women knew that if they decided to leave the marriage that they couldnt take the man's money with them, then many women simply wouldnt leave their husbands.(70-80% of divorces are initiated by women for any given year) Giving women child support (which is really adult support because it is a percentage of the man's income, not one-half the actual expenses of the child) gives women the incentive to leave men - she can cash out - especially knowing she IS going to get custody.

As long as the laws and the courts are skewed in favor of women you can expect them to continue acting like bandits. A few simple changes can end their foolish behavior. One such change would be to tie the woman's compliance with visitation to child support. No visitation for the man = No child support or alimony for the woman. Women who deny fathers court ordered visitation with their kids should be thrown in jail in the same manner that fathers who default on child support are thrown in jail.

What is needed is true equality, not radical feminism masquerading as equality between men and women. Women have welcomed the benefits of having the same opportunities as men while refusing to let go of the benefits of traditional gender roles. They have decided that they can have their cake and eat it too. So far, most men are too afraid to tell women that they cannot simply choose to have the best of both worlds with none of the responsibilities. A growing number of men have realized that women will not give up their perks under the current system. Therefore, they have decided to avoid marriage and having kids. This may force some sort of reform in the distant future if enough women realize that men are no longer to play the role of breeder and financier to increasingly unattractive women.

[Cebu Local]

Thank God that most of us have experience outside of the USA, where it is much more common for the man to call the balls or at least be on equal footing as the woman. I believe that American men, most of whom know little to none about life outside of the USA, strongly contribute to the AW problem simply by putting up with their BS.Firstly introductions are in order,I am a CANADIAN,living in Cebu,Philippines.I wanted to point out that American women who grow up overseas generally do not share this attitude.I personally know many American women who were born and RAISED in the Philippines and Thailand.They realized very early if they were competing against Locals,they had to improve their attitudes.My good friend in Malaysia is married to a Thai born American.She runs a stable, Always cooks great Thai and American Food and gives her husband regular massages after a long day at the office.She complains other American women are too self centered,spoiled etc.This is what growing up in a third world male dominated country can do.So there are great American women out there,but unfortunately many of them live OUTSIDE the United States

[CBGBConnisur]

My two favorite types are Latinas and Eastern Europeans, I'm not fond of Asian women at all who I know for a fact look at Western men as meal tickets and walking VISAs. That is the same central issue with American women, they are looking for a guy with cash, a long time ago I was stuck in a really bad job and this AW really liked me a lot, it paid me good money but I hated the job, I was talking with a friend about quitting and becoming a bartender/bouncer, this AW heard me and immediately she started getting less friendly. I guess she realized I wasn't going to become some hot shot executive. An Asian woman will always accept a present if I offer it, in fact they expect them.
Speaking of presents, a lot of European women I met don't like it if I offer to pay for a meal or buy them something, they think its as if I am trying to buy them, most American women I knew had no problem with getting presents and most expect them. Just to illustrate, last fall, I met a beautiful Bulgarian brunette who loved to cook, and wanted to buy her a nice set of cookware. She turned away my present politely and said I didn't need to bother. Believe it or not a lot of the European women I have met wanted me to move to their home countries, so immediately I figured out that they weren't in it for a green card, even many EE types are like this. Even some women I have met in South America are like this, they are confident in themselves and are content enough with their lives.

[Bart9000]

Regarding the "safety net" allowing women to chase after the cads / thugs / losers that make them drip wet, instead of making more reasonable choices in men. An interesting thought is that although Europe for the most part also has a very developed "safety net", that behavior doesn't seem to be so prevalent there. Possibly it is just because the "bad boy" behavior isn't fetishized there like it is here.

That site you put up is interesting too-"The pathology of the female headed household" (I haven't read all of it yet-just skimmed). Although I am no neocon asshole shilling "family values" (obviously from a few posts back), I absolutely agree with this type of thinking. My rationalle is simple-When I was growing up in the late eighties, the biggest "train wreck" of a potential screwed up life was the kid whose father was out of the picture (substantively rarer in those days). It was a simple matter of the fact that he became bigger than his mother at age 12, and she couldn't discipline him. Consequently, he ran wild, and last I heard, has been in jail at least a couple of times. I cringe when I think of this situation repeated over and over and over with "babies mamas". This is of course weak anecdotal evidence, but still.