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This article is about 30 men who were interviewed regarding their preference in women, looks versus attitude. So given a choice we(men) will choose an attractive woman with a crappy attitude than a bbw or chubby woman with a nice personality. So, in other words, we have created these monsters.
"We interviewed 30 men, ranging in age from their early 30s to late 40s. Rating them on a scale from 1 to 10 (10 being the highest), on their overall appearance (athletic physique, appeal, style), only one-third of them hit the top of the scale. Now, when it came to the looks department, even with the protruding guts (beer bellies), more than half of the men we considered to be yum-yum chocolate eye candy.
Setting aside the perfect 10, we added another 20 who did not know we selected them based on the size of their waistlines. In choosing 30 candidates for the survey, we eliminated any men who were admitted women bashers, who were recently divorced, men who preferred same sex partners, and those who took pride in announcing that they were “pretty boys.”
We did keep both professional and blue-collar workers, single and married, average-looking men.
To see if responses were strictly out of the melting pot of the male brain, or were affected by what was in front of them, 15 were interviewed by Cheril, an attractive, size six, single woman with an arrogant attitude. The last 15 were interviewed by Shannon, an attractive, statuesque, size 14, single woman, with a pleasant personality and a Ph.D. at the end of her name tag.
Each man was asked a question that required they choose between two types of women, (A) or (B). Then, we opened up a forum and asked them, collectively, to tell us what they disliked and appreciated about women. They were free to make comparisons (to other races, sizes, looks), provocative comments, complaints or compliments.
Here is how the survey went. Every man was shown pictures that represented two types of women, and were told what their personalities were like. They were then asked which type would be their preference. The choices were purposely designed to be opposites in physical appearance and persona.
The (A) type woman was a gorgeous Halle Berry type and small (size 6), but she had a crappy attitude.
The (B) type woman was overweight but with a loving personality.
Surprisingly, 25 out of 30 men chose the type (A). Cheril, the size 6 woman with the arrogant attitude, was asked if she was single, handed a business card and asked out by 12 of the 15 men that she surveyed. Three of them were married.
On the other hand, Shannon, the attractive 25-pound overweight woman with a pleasant personality and a Ph.D. on her nametag, was asked if she was single by only one man. But she was complimented by almost every man that she surveyed, on her beautiful smile.
DJ FourMoney
12-06-05, 15:19
This article is about 30 men who were interviewed regarding their preference in women, looks versus attitude. So given a choice we will choose an attractive woman with a crappy attitude than a bbw or chubby woman with a nice personality. So in other words we have created these monsters.
"We interviewed 30 men, ranging in age from their early 30s to late 40s. Rating them on a scale from 1 to 10 (10 being the highest), on their overall appearance (athletic physique, appeal, style), only one-third of them hit the top of the scale. Now, when it came to the looks department, even with the protruding guts (beer bellies), more than half of the men we considered to be yum-yum chocolate eye candy.
Setting aside the perfect 10, we added another 20 who did not know we selected them based on the size of their waistlines. In choosing 30 candidates for the survey, we eliminated any men who were admitted women bashers, who were recently divorced, men who preferred same sex partners, and those who took pride in announcing that they were “pretty boys.”
We did keep both professional and blue-collar workers, single and married, average-looking men.
To see if responses were strictly out of the melting pot of the male brain, or were affected by what was in front of them, 15 were interviewed by Cheril, an attractive, size six, single woman with an arrogant attitude. The last 15 were interviewed by Shannon, an attractive, statuesque, size 14, single woman, with a pleasant personality and a Ph.D. at the end of her name tag.
Each man was asked a question that required they choose between two types of women, (A) or (B). Then, we opened up a forum and asked them, collectively, to tell us what they disliked and appreciated about women. They were free to make comparisons (to other races, sizes, looks), provocative comments, complaints or compliments.
Here is how the survey went. Every man was shown pictures that represented two types of women, and were told what their personalities were like. They were then asked which type would be their preference. The choices were purposely designed to be opposites in physical appearance and persona.
The (A) type woman was a gorgeous Halle Berry type and small (size 6), but she had a crappy attitude.
The (B) type woman was overweight but with a loving personality.
Surprisingly, 25 out of 30 men chose the type (A). Cheril, the size 6 woman with the arrogant attitude, was asked if she was single, handed a business card and asked out by 12 of the 15 men that she surveyed. Three of them were married.
On the other hand, Shannon, the attractive 25-pound overweight woman with a pleasant personality and a Ph.D. on her nametag, was asked if she was single by only one man. But she was complimented by almost every man that she surveyed, on her beautiful smile.
That sounds about right.
I would have taken the 25lbs overweight woman in heartbeat. 25lbs ain't shhhh compared to what used to have to deal with. My ex-gf at one point was 270lbs@5'9. When she finally tried to loose weight she got down to about 190lbs. She looked alot better, but would have looked even better around 160-170lbs. She had a big frame and she would have never gotten down to say 130-135lbs that some taller women are.
I don't mind a little weight at all. I rather have thin to average because I'm thin to average in weight. I'm taller than average at 6'0 1/2.
I don't believe myself to be all that hot, just look at the women I pick up. Most of them fall between 5-6 and the occasional 7-7.5-8, but usually those women are single mothers (one demerit, lol)
But those types of studies never shock me. Face it fellas beer guts are not attractive and no hot looking woman wants you jumping up and down on them in bed, its hardly a sexy look. Just like I would be offended if my wife started to balloon, if was a woman and my husbands weight got out of hand, I'd call him on the mat in a second.
Then people have the nerve to bring up Henry the 8th or something. He was a fat-ass, but he was rich so that's why he had a fine wife like Marie... Women do the same thing and bring up classically attractive women like Jane Russell, Rita Hayworth, Marylin Monroe and Jane Mansfield. Yes they aren't as thin as Kate Moss, but they aren't fat-asses either so get a grip.
Men like curves like an hour glass or coke bottle, not the Liberty Bell...
Thanks for posting that I found it informative, but not suprising.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]
That was 2001 and I have been back ever since and honestly Im not going anywhere until I'm ready to buy property for myself or I get seriously involved with somebody and need my privacy.
It may have an impact on my social life, but so what. I've even had American women I don't know argue with me about it. I mean if I moved out tomorrow would they still date me? Why would I do something like that anyway?
Its just a pointless arguement.
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I give you props, DJ. Staying with parents until you get a house is the way to go here in America. Besides, if you get tired of living in the US you could always sell the house and gain equity. I myself moved back with my parents and am saving up for a hefty down payment to move to Las Vegas and buy a house there. I have lived with my parents and followed a strict savings regiment that earned me 4 years out of the United States in Brazil (but thanks to our moron president, I had to move back here with my parents in NYC and get my job back). Living with parents is one way I saved thousands of dollars. In case you guys didn't get my savings plan the first time here it is:
1) Live with parents: Savings in rent or mortgage: $1000-$1500 a month or $12000 a year! Who needs privacy with a prude AW anyway! They won't even strip for you and they just want to be your "friends" until you are sucker enough to marry them and they will make it "worth your while". I consider dating an AW "G-rated". My parents can watch me date an AW anyway because there will be no nudity!!!
2) Brown bag Lunch: Savings of $15 a day ($5 for breakfast, $7 for lunch, $8 for dinner to be conservative and provided you eat at McDonald's minus what you would have spent cooking food for all 3 meals a day -$5- That's $20-$5=$15 a day or $5475 a year!! Who needs to eat in the same feeding vat as those pig AWs anyway and become just like them. Eating at home is cheaper and healthier!!
3) Buy ONLY the clothing you WILL wear!!!! Some people buy a new outfit once a month but an outfit lasts for 5 years before it rips and you have to replace it. A shirt costs $35, pants $50, tie:$20, socks $5, underwear $5=$115 a month or $1380 a year plus a suit for $300 is $1680. If you buy a new outfit once a year instead of 12 times a year, you save $1265 or if you have to replace the suit after 5 years, you save $1205. "Clothing makes the man" BULLSHIT!!! Just another trap AWs lay for you to spend all your hard earned money on crappy outfits you won't even wear!!! And even if you wear expensive flashy clothing and jewelry, you'll attract an AW that thinks you'll spend your paycheck on them!!! You have dug yourself a hole in making that AW think you have more money than you really have.
4) Give up the car! Some of you may not have this option if you live in a sprawling community but those who live in big cities, use mass transit. The car is a big liability because not only do you pay leasing costs or payments let's say $300 a month or $3600 a year, but you also have gas costs, insurance, and maintenance. Not to mention traffic and parking tickets and liabilites for accidents. Let's see- Gas costs $60 a week or $3120 a year, Auto Insurance for a single dude $2400 a year, and repairs -varies. And if you are in New York- Average costs in tickets $2000 a year.
That's $11120 a year!!!.
Who needs a car in this pighole? Are you going to drive around to see pig farms called shopping malls with buffalo ranches called McDonald's or fast food restaurants? Get your wheels when you retire in the Phillipines or Europe.
5) Give up bad habits whether it is
cigarettes- $6-8 a pack per day or $2920 a year- "Oh, I'm hooked!" Addiction is ALL in your head bro! QUIT COLD TURKEY!! JUST STOP!!! THERE's NO SUCH THING AS NICOTINE ADDICTION!!!! NO MORE LAME "ADDICTION" EXCUSES!!! I've bummed cigarettes off of friends and still didn't get hooked. Cigarettes are just as much a habit as buying a newspaper. A habit can be stopped. Just stop buying the newspaper! Just stop smoking!! This "nicotine" is just a ploy to get you to buy more cigarettes. It is a magic feather for repeat business and is accentuated through the media- another feminist ploy.
candy bars- $.50 a day or $182 a year, This is what the AW pigs eat, Why eat the same slop they do? Just think of Candy bars as dog poo because when you step on it, chocolate looks the same as dog poo. Stop eating them and save!!
Starbucks -$5 a day or $1825 a year- Crappucinos, Eckspressos- yuck. Why put this crap in your body and pay $5 for it. Think of these things as diarrehea. Let the AWs drink diarrhea!!
Nightclubbing-$25 a week entry or $1300 a year, Go to a club- to what? Meet some buffaloes in this ranch in the city? Last year a club called Webster Hall in the Village collapsed and underwent reconstruction because all the behemoths were over 200 pounds. Yes, they followed the People limit of no more than 2000 but that did not account for the fact that these buffaloes in the hip hop section were BBWs and 6 feet tall also over 200 pound basketball playas.
Drinking-$7 for one drink a week or $350 a year- Get drunk and accidentally sleep with a dog or pig!!! This happened to me a few times-yuck!!!
Okay let's add all this up.... That's $36377 a year!!. You have been taking that home AFTER TAXES haven't you? And you haven't a penny saved from that. Now you know where the money went.
Let's face it. You won't make any more money than you are making now but let's cut back on what we HAVE BEEN spending on!!!! Remember: a penny saved is a penny earned and I have earned lots of money by cutting back!! Follow this plan and you'll earn your freedom from the US. Spending money is another ploy from AWs to make you broke so you stay in this hellhole.
The experiment is also inaccurate because the fat women here are also put on pedestals and act just like the skinny *****. You'll see mean stubborn BBWs as traffic agents, meter maids, Dept of Motor Vehicles Personnel, Secretaries, Postal Workers, and they're ALL bitter mean bitches!!! Here in America, there are no such things as the jolly fat woman with the nice smile!
I give you props, DJ. Staying with parents until you get a house is the way to go here in America. Besides, if you get tired of living in the US you could always sell the house and gain equity. I myself moved back with my parents and am saving up for a hefty down payment to move to Las Vegas and buy a house there. I have lived with my parents and followed a strict savings regiment that earned me 4 years out of the United States in Brazil (but thanks to our moron president, I had to move back here with my parents in NYC and get my job back). Living with parents is one way I saved thousands of dollars. In case you guys didn't get my savings plan the first time here it is:
1) Live with parents: Savings in rent or mortgage: $1000-$1500 a month or $12000 a year! Who needs privacy with a prude AW anyway! They won't even strip for you and they just want to be your "friends" until you are sucker enough to marry them and they will make it "worth your while". I consider dating an AW "G-rated". My parents can watch me date an AW anyway because there will be no nudity!!!
2) Brown bag Lunch: Savings of $15 a day ($5 for breakfast, $7 for lunch, $8 for dinner to be conservative and provided you eat at McDonald's minus what you would have spent cooking food for all 3 meals a day -$5- That's $20-$5=$15 a day or $5475 a year!! Who needs to eat in the same feeding vat as those pig AWs anyway and become just like them. Eating at home is cheaper and healthier!!
3) Buy ONLY the clothing you WILL wear!!!! Some people buy a new outfit once a month but an outfit lasts for 5 years before it rips and you have to replace it. A shirt costs $35, pants $50, tie:$20, socks $5, underwear $5=$115 a month or $1380 a year plus a suit for $300 is $1680. If you buy a new outfit once a year instead of 12 times a year, you save $1265 or if you have to replace the suit after 5 years, you save $1205. "Clothing makes the man" BULLSHIT!!! Just another trap AWs lay for you to spend all your hard earned money on crappy outfits you won't even wear!!! And even if you wear expensive flashy clothing and jewelry, you'll attract an AW that thinks you'll spend your paycheck on them!!! You have dug yourself a hole in making that AW think you have more money than you really have.
4) Give up the car! Some of you may not have this option if you live in a sprawling community but those who live in big cities, use mass transit. The car is a big liability because not only do you pay leasing costs or payments let's say $300 a month or $3600 a year, but you also have gas costs, insurance, and maintenance. Not to mention traffic and parking tickets and liabilites for accidents. Let's see- Gas costs $60 a week or $3120 a year, Auto Insurance for a single dude $2400 a year, and repairs -varies. And if you are in New York- Average costs in tickets $2000 a year.
That's $11120 a year!!!.
Who needs a car in this pighole? Are you going to drive around to see pig farms called shopping malls with buffalo ranches called McDonald's or fast food restaurants? Get your wheels when you retire in the Phillipines or Europe.
5) Give up bad habits whether it is
cigarettes- $6-8 a pack per day or $2920 a year- "Oh, I'm hooked!" Addiction is ALL in your head bro! QUIT COLD TURKEY!! JUST STOP!!! THERE's NO SUCH THING AS NICOTINE ADDICTION!!!! NO MORE LAME "ADDICTION" EXCUSES!!! I've bummed cigarettes off of friends and still didn't get hooked. Cigarettes are just as much a habit as buying a newspaper. A habit can be stopped. Just stop buying the newspaper! Just stop smoking!! This "nicotine" is just a ploy to get you to buy more cigarettes. It is a magic feather for repeat business and is accentuated through the media- another feminist ploy.
candy bars- $.50 a day or $182 a year, This is what the AW pigs eat, Why eat the same slop they do? Just think of Candy bars as dog poo because when you step on it, chocolate looks the same as dog poo. Stop eating them and save!!
Starbucks -$5 a day or $1825 a year- Crappucinos, Eckspressos- yuck. Why put this crap in your body and pay $5 for it. Think of these things as diarrehea. Let the AWs drink diarrhea!!
Nightclubbing-$25 a week entry or $1300 a year, Go to a club- to what? Meet some buffaloes in this ranch in the city? Last year a club called Webster Hall in the Village collapsed and underwent reconstruction because all the behemoths were over 200 pounds. Yes, they followed the People limit of no more than 2000 but that did not account for the fact that these buffaloes in the hip hop section were BBWs and 6 feet tall also over 200 pound basketball playas.
Drinking-$7 for one drink a week or $350 a year- Get drunk and accidentally sleep with a dog or pig!!! This happened to me a few times-yuck!!!
Okay let's add all this up.... That's $36377 a year!!. You have been taking that home AFTER TAXES haven't you? And you haven't a penny saved from that. Now you know where the money went.
Let's face it. You won't make any more money than you are making now but let's cut back on what we HAVE BEEN spending on!!!! Remember: a penny saved is a penny earned and I have earned lots of money by cutting back!! Follow this plan and you'll earn your freedom from the US. Spending money is another ploy from AWs to make you broke so you stay in this hellhole.
The experiment is also inaccurate because the fat women here are also put on pedestals and act just like the skinny *****. You'll see mean stubborn BBWs as traffic agents, meter maids, Dept of Motor Vehicles Personnel, Secretaries, Postal Workers, and they're ALL bitter mean bitches!!! Here in America, there are no such things as the jolly fat woman with the nice smile!
Darkseid, this is really funny and right on the money!!!!!!
CBGBConnisur
12-06-05, 19:05
Frankly I have found Australia to be a heaven on Earth compared to the US for finding women for sex. The people here tend to be the outdoor type as this is the best outdoor country on the planet. The majority of the population lives near the ocean, and considering this country's performance in the Olympics, number four for a country of only 20 million people is an awesome feat. The country is becoming more multicultural with many migrants coming from Asia and Eastern Europe.
I would definitely agree with Astor that Montreal is a great city, but I love being 9000 miles away from the USA.
DJ FourMoney
12-07-05, 00:14
Darkseid -
Not only funny as hell, but little too extreme for me...
I still eat out, mostly fast food, but the key is MODERATION! On average about $5, or $20 a week, usually only eat lunch out - $1200 a year
Car, HA! I live in the San Fernando Valley and unless you REALLY want to get clowned by women here, don't buy a car. You'll almost never date! lol
I have a POS '95 Dodge Neon, that I'm restoring and upgrading at the same time. Paid $1200 for it, makes about 150hp at the wheels (132hp is stock). Yeah its lowered and all that BS, but I'm into that. Its not a car I use for dates anyway. Its $65 a month to insure it. I mostly use my stepfather's '94 GMC Sonoma SLE pickup (loaded) or I just rent a car ($35 and refill from Enterprise)
I don't drink, smoke, use drugs and because my mother didn't allow me to grab a candy bar anytime I wanted to or over-eat Halloween candy, I don't eat alot of candy bars and chocolate is an anti-oxident so again MODERATION is the key.
Since 1989 I have hardly paid to get into any nightclub, see my screen name. It's never what you know its who you know. That being said, I haven't been clubbing as much because I always felt clubbing was a "team" sport. You need a wingman as your correct in most AW' travel in packs or "herds" at nightclubs.
I haven't offically started saving, but I will this year as I really have everything I want already. I do want a new car (im a car guy) and an LCD TV and few other odds and ends, but mostly I'm content and I'll be able to save at least $1,000 a month between my travel plans for 2006 and beyond.
CBGB -
The cost of traveling down there has it on my list of places to go in maybe 2007. As understand US servicemen do extermely well since our Navy makes that trip on a regular basis. I have also spoken with vistors and people online from both NZ and AU and I have to agree for such a small country I think they enjoy life a bit more than say with do. I just couldn't get used to driving on the right side of the car, however I would love to own a Holden or a Ford Falcon...
Sinanju Master
12-07-05, 00:33
I can sorta understand why the guys chose the visually more attractive chick over the lesser visually attractive one. Men are visual where women are more auditory, AND it's in our biological makeup to choose the more attractive potential mate. HOWEVER, if the more attractive chick surveyed ME and gave me shit, I'd instantly treat her as if she were a lower life form and that acknowledging her very existence was a labor I would rather do without. If the lesser attractive chick with the pleasant personality surveyed me and worked her charm, she'd have my attention at the very least. There's a possible added bonus to hooking up with the lesser attractive chick: if she's really into you, she would move mountains to make you happy. That could lead to a positive lifestyle change where she may go so far as to lose the added weight and to take steps to ratchet up her cosmetic game. SHAZAM! You now have a woman who can be categorized as a babe, AND she turned INTO that due to your flexible taste in women and your foresight. Just goes to show you that Christmas CAN come early, my bretheren!
DJ FourMoney
12-07-05, 02:01
I can sorta understand why the guys chose the visually more attractive chick over the lesser visually attractive one. Men are visual where women are more auditory, AND it's in our biological makeup to choose the more attractive potential mate. HOWEVER, if the more attractive chick surveyed ME and gave me shit, I'd instantly treat her as if she were a lower life form and that acknowledging her very existence was a labor I would rather do without. If the lesser attractive chick with the pleasant personality surveyed me and worked her charm, she'd have my attention at the very least. There's a possible added bonus to hooking up with the lesser attractive chick: if she's really into you, she would move mountains to make you happy. That could lead to a positive lifestyle change where she may go so far as to lose the added weight and to take steps to ratchet up her cosmetic game. SHAZAM! You now have a woman who can be categorized as a babe, AND she turned INTO that due to your flexible taste in women and your foresight. Just goes to show you that Christmas CAN come early, my bretheren!
100% Agree!
Thought "projects" can be troublesome...
There's an story on AskMen.com that relates to what your saying. It uses Strippers as an example, but it jives with really attractive women don't know how to earn your attention because they are use to getting it by default and lesser attractive women will work for it knowing they aren't up the visual standards of the attractive woman.
That explains alot of really attractive women and I would think HIGH divorce rates. I think if you broke it down, "cute" girls stay married longer than "hot" girls because like you said the cute girl will move mountains, heaven and earth to earn your love and once she has it she cherrishes it longer.
That's not to say every hot woman, nature or self-made isn't good LTR material but that's what DATING is for to find out those things. I just feel AW are a tainted bunch...
CBGBConnisur
12-07-05, 03:33
I think physical attraction is a factor in any male female relationship, its just nature. This goes for men and women, I remember the show Average Joe, the woman had a choice between an intelligent Average Joe and a male model who lived at home with mom and dad, she basically dumped the average joe because she wasn't attracted to him physically. If someone tells you going to the gym and working out as well as doing other things to enhance your appearance are not going to enhance your currency with the ladies they are full of it. Also on that show I remember how the lady dressed up as fat and ugly, people on the street completely ignored her, she also did this to test the men's motivations, a lot of men said some nasty things.
My own story, I met a beautiful woman a few years ago in central Europe, I met her again after a few years. I noticed she was not as attractive as she was in the past, and I pretty much broke it off from there. Of course as men, we have more ways of getting into a woman's pants than our looks. That's why a not so handsome guy like the eBay founder gets the ladies.
Chocha Monger
12-08-05, 03:55
Undertaking projects in the US is a dubious proposition, there is no guarantee that all the energy put into a transformation would pay off. If you are successful in bringing about a dramatic physical transformation there might also be some unforeseen psychological changes too. Your plump sweet natured little caterpillar might undergo metamorphosis only to emerge out of her chrysalis as a sexy slender queen b*tch who then proceeds to devour her creator.
American women who lose weight and undergo make-overs are only too eager to go running to the pack of beauty queens that did not accept them when they were fat and homely. They quickly forget how to be nice because it is no longer required to get attention from men. In fact, they might feel the need to bust men's balls because they were ignored for a long time while the boys chose to fawn over the cheerleaders. Niceness is nothing more than compensation for lack of good looks in American chicks. You would know what I mean if you've ever had the chance to observe the behavior of an average AW before and after having breast implants. Don't expect gratitude for any part which you may have played in improving her life. What does a man get in return for marrying and improving the standard of living for a woman in America? He gets to pay alimony to maintain that standard of living after she divorces him.
Screw trying to raise these women up out of their physical, social, educational or economic squalor. All you will get in return for your troubles is a good hard fuck! And it will not be the pleasurable kind of fucking. There are better ways to spend your time, perhaps you can use the extra time earning more money, learning a new language or working out. It is laughable that successful men in this country must spend their time trying to win the favors of women who often have little more to offer than the promise of mediocre sex. In my travels in Latin America I've met many beautiful educated women who are very open to having an intelligent conversation with a gentleman without any need of being sarcastic or rude in order to prove her wit or lack there of to her friends.
An AW will give you her number and then say that she's busy when you call her and then not return your call expecting you to stalk her by phone. I have seen guys with great jobs and high incomes chasing after waitresses and sales girls. I'm sorry but I simply refuse to do that when there are much better options available for guys who have their act together. For the price of a plane ticket I can have much better company than some average debt ridden AW looking to marry up the economic ladder. It's not just about pussy guys, if you take the time to cultivate some relationships abroad you can have a place to stay, meals provided, entertainment and great conversation in between blowing your load.
If you still want to score the occasional AW, just be a real dickhead they can't seem to get enough of those.
How many of you would still have sex with Ameircan women? I'd like to take a poll, but you cant do that with a post from within a thread. I figure a breakdown might be as follows:
I would like to have sex with an AW but/and:
-I will approach one in order to get her, and I am willing to do ALL the work
-I will approach, and from there she has to meet me halfway
-Only if she approaches me and asks for my number
-Only if she is 21 yr old Cindy Crawford hot (my personal fav and choice)
-through friends/acquaintances
I would never again approach or consider having sex with an AW.
Cant wait to read the responses guys.
Angus Magee
12-08-05, 09:44
Thought this short film might be appreciated here:
http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2410176
Synopsis
How can you really get back at a girl who cheats on you with your boss, then dumps you? Jump in the sack with the last person she can even imagine having sex: her mama.
Funny.
DJ FourMoney
12-08-05, 11:15
Argeed
I will say this though -
Single Mothers are interesting if they don't provide alot of problems.
There alot of "MILF" out there and are worth the trouble in limited cases.
You just want one with her shit together, its just that simple.
What you earn, how much of it and how you go about doing it should be of little concern if its stable and LEGAL. That's what AW, the majority of available, attractive and childless ones don't seem to understand.
That makes mining for a good LTR very hard, troublesome and time consuming.
To Answer Tyhigs77 -
I'd go with #2
My attention span for AW is very short however. Any nonsense and you get cut-off.
I would not hesitate to have sex with an AW in the least - apart from the shite that they sometimes sprout some of them are hot and no bars held sex to be had.( read my report) The fact that they are for the most messed up and on the whole need their heads read, does not detract from great sex to be had from some of them, especially from horny unloved divorcees.
As conservative as the USA seems to be sometimes, if you meet the right AW she can totally blow your mind away with mindless sex.
If things become too complicated I cut my losses, meaning that if there is too much work involved and I see that the AW might be a cock teaser(I have met those as well) then thats it, game over.
During my sojourns to the USA mainly NYC I have always tried to organise a few possible ladies to meet. I have used dating sites mainly and its worked so far, mostly on the pretext that I am relocating - in fact I once had MILF but a little older and she absolutely screwed my brains out. If you strike lucky like myself sometimes, you can find women that are so horny that they will literally rip off your clothes.
There are many single bars in NY that are fair picking grounds, especailly after the AW has had a few drinks, but I have not really gone that route. Semi-smart dressing, being in shape and talking funny(accent) cetainly helps the cause.
Cheers.
I would not hesitate to have sex with an AW in the least - apart from the shite that they sometimes sprout some of them are hot and no bars held sex to be had.( read my report) The fact that they are for the most messed up and on the whole need their heads read, does not detract from great sex to be had from some of them, especially from horny unloved divorcees.
As conservative as the USA seems to be sometimes, if you meet the right AW she can totally blow your mind away with mindless sex.
If things become too complicated I cut my losses, meaning that if there is too much work involved and I see that the AW might be a cock teaser(I have met those as well) then thats it, game over.
During my sojourns to the USA mainly NYC I have always tried to organise a few possible ladies to meet. I have used dating sites mainly and its worked so far, mostly on the pretext that I am relocating - in fact I once had MILF but a little older and she absolutely screwed my brains out. If you strike lucky like myself sometimes, you can find women that are so horny that they will literally rip off your clothes.
There are many single bars in NY that are fair picking grounds, especailly after the AW has had a few drinks, but I have not really gone that route. Semi-smart dressing, being in shape and talking funny(accent) cetainly helps the cause.
Cheers.
I totally disagree with the NYC being picking grounds. I have not in my lifetime scored with a local New York City girl. Every girl I scored with here in NYC are girls from other countries or states. I tried dating sites with the truth- 5'6", male, asian, muscular build (the truth because I keep fit and lift weights plus I provide a pic), Bachelor degree earning $70,000 a year as an engineer, etc, and I still get NO hits whatsoever. I tried like match.com, yahoodating.com, and adultfriendfinder.com, but I would not get responses. I am not ugly because I score with the out of towners but when I try to ask NYC women out, they either flat out reject me calling me a short dicked man or they play games. But then again, maybe it is what race or how much you make that counts in NYC. Asian guys are like cockroaches here in this crummy city and they are too pedestrian. New York City has a third Asian people BUT Asian people make up less than 1% in the United States AS A WHOLE!!! This means that New York City (and San Francisco) takes almost ALL the Asian immigrants in this country and we do get forced to live here due to the lack of opportunities for Asians elsewhere.
Buzz is spot on (but hey, I wouldn't hesitate on any nationality). I've been to the States a number of times, but my fave place was good ole conservative Boston (and Cambridge). Conservative places tend to have a wild underbelly. I stayed there a month, but started some on-line flirting a couple of weeks prior. By the time I arrived, I had about 8 dates lined up over a few days (mostly "let's meet over coffee").
I hit it off with a couple of gals (both late 20s, and cute), and they kept me a happy man indeed. Tricky part was juggling them. Both wild. Like Buzz says, they liked the accent, plus my country (Oz) was flavour of the month at the time. Oh, they also liked me. Both were very clingy. That was okay, as I knew I was there for a limited time, while they were hanging onto the possibility of my returning for a longer contract (I know, I'm a bad man).
Tried some of the local clubs, but no luck - full of teen students, and I was old enough to be their dad, and lots of athletic young guys for their pleasure.
I also walked home from the office every night, and would sometimes stop in at speak-easy bars for a drink and a look around if it was late enough. Managed only one pick-up that way, but she was great.
One gal I "met for coffee" turned up early and must have seen me with another gal earlier. She sat with me with a frown for 5 minutes before saying she had to leave, in case the next gal turned up early. Pity, she was a stunner. Can't win 'em all.
cheers
Piper
CBGBConnisur
12-08-05, 15:47
As a New Yorker in Australia I pick up lots of Australian women with virtually no effort.
Chocha Monger
12-08-05, 18:13
when I try to ask NYC women out, they either flat out reject me calling me a short dicked man or they play games.
Darkseid,
I couldn't stop laughing when I read that line. Damn! I know that AW can say some fucked up shit but do they really say that to your face? I know that New York women are very obnoxious but now they seem to be worst than I thought. If you're dating across racial lines in the US though you can expect a fair amount of bullshit. Face it, the US is still a very racist country in spite of the fact that we go around the world trying to tell everyone else how to live. Many people claim that they are not racists but they are opposed to inter-racial relationships. The Civil Rights movement did not defeat racism in America, it just drove it underground. Therefore, if you're asking caucasian women out don't be surprised at the negative responses.
Some people say things are getting better because different races now listen to the same music and work together and such. However, people of different races in this country rarely associate with each other outside of the workplace or school. Once you accept that this is most likely to remain true during your lifetime many of the behaviors that you deal with today will no longer annoy you. See this country for what it really is, a place to make money nothing more. In your travels you've seen that you can find happiness elsewhere, so don't let the ignorance that you encounter here perturb you in the least bit.
Not all AW are bad but most are a waste of time and they will waste your time. For the average AW it's all cock pulling and games. When they do decide to fuck on their terms alcohol is usually involved which is not my idea of good sex. A woman who has to drink herself silly to fuck obviously has some serious underlying mental problems. As you already know it's not you, it's them.
CBGBConnisur
12-08-05, 20:17
I have seen a lot more mixed couples outside of the Northeast than anywhere else in the US, most people from the NE claim to be "open minded" whatever that means. Its becoming a big thing in Australia, which has often been accused of racism and it certainly does exist but I have yet to see a serious incident in the six years I have resided here, yet a good percent of the people I see in Sydney and other Australian cities seem to look like they come from different ethnic backgrounds(most common being Asian and Pacific Islander) Despite the fact that the US has become very multracial people rarely interact with different groups outside of professional and academic venues. I have friends in Australia think there is no racism in places like New York because so many different people live in one place but they don't live there. The media's spinned the race issue so many times its not even funny, after Katrina there's talk about division in the US and then after the Paris riots, the US looks real good next to France. The issue with NYC women seems to be money above all else, if you have it, or you look like you have it, then women seem to come to you, otherwise unless your some kind of romantic Australian, Brit, Italian, they couldn't care less. A few years ago, I started a new job, and met an attractive Italian American woman who seemed to like me, one day she asked me where I worked before, and I told her I used to earn more at my previous employer she stopped talking to me. Another time there was this other woman who was real nice to me but then one day I took the bus to work, I ran into her in the parking lot and she pretended she didn't see me. I stopped taking it personally when dealing with AWs who are not all that anyway.
One of the best ways to turn the tables on your AW is to open a business that allows you absentee ownership, I have seen real simple businesses that have made friends of mine money while they spend their time traveling around the world. A cousin of mine bought some kind of franchise and he pretty much collects a check each month, and drops in from time to time. The business is an ice cream store that ironically sells primarily to AWs.
DJ FourMoney
12-08-05, 20:47
I totally disagree with the NYC being picking grounds. I have not in my lifetime scored with a local New York City girl. Every girl I scored with here in NYC are girls from other countries or states. I tried dating sites with the truth- 5'6", male, asian, muscular build (the truth because I keep fit and lift weights plus I provide a pic), Bachelor degree earning $70,000 a year as an engineer, etc, and I still get NO hits whatsoever. I tried like match.com, yahoodating.com, and adultfriendfinder.com, but I would not get responses. I am not ugly because I score with the out of towners but when I try to ask NYC women out, they either flat out reject me calling me a short dicked man or they play games. But then again, maybe it is what race or how much you make that counts in NYC. Asian guys are like cockroaches here in this crummy city and they are too pedestrian. New York City has a third Asian people BUT Asian people make up less than 1% in the United States AS A WHOLE!!! This means that New York City (and San Francisco) takes almost ALL the Asian immigrants in this country and we do get forced to live here due to the lack of opportunities for Asians elsewhere.
Dark -
If that's the case, your on the WRONG side of the country....
Come to the west coast brotha you'll have more than you can handle with your shh together like that. That's on the real, especially down in Orange County. Your competition is about equal (college educated, good job, stable family life, childless, never-married), however you would do well.
Get your arse out of NYC, its cold out thurr anyway, its 66 and overcast here...
DJ FourMoney
12-08-05, 21:07
I like this forum alot because we get honest speak here. People that have been through the war and know what were up against.
I have never said AW are worthless. That's not even remotely true.
It just takes more work than it should and you have to filter through someling like 1 million women. You should take it international, your a fool if you think you'll find what your seeking just here.
We have the advantage here, not the women. We are only outnumbered and for them it takes alot of filtering to get to us as well.
But they would go alot farther if -
a) They didn't use sex as a tool
b) Didn't focus so much on your career choice or level of education
Those I see are their major tactical faults. These things don't matter to most women elsewhere on the planet and you should use that to your advantage. Just as you use mongering to your advantage.
Men are visual and sexual creatures, we shouldn't be ashamed of it.
If you want to find that one woman, you have to use all the tools available to you.
I'm going to embark on my project soon of taking complete control over my social life, fix what I feel are minor flaws in my game, looks and attitude. That also is why that less than GFE/PSE sessions with a provider are unexceptable. Practice makes perfect. Improving your skillz on a provider can only help and doesn't hurt.
Use the information and tools to your advantage friends.
Given all the race-related talk taking place here I figure I give my two cents worth.
darkseid, DJ FourMoney is correct in saying that you're in the wrong side of the country - you defintely are dude!! Seriously, you should consider moving to California for all the right reasons. One, being Asian here is a big deal and believe me, you will not be looked down upon, au contraire, you will be standing high in the scale of preferences for AW (White and Asian). Second, You're only 4 to 5 hours away driving time to Vegas where I admit chances of scoring seem to be slightly better than what they are here in CA (or NY for that matter). Perhaps we should swap places given that my being a South American salsa dancer would probably help me some in NY and you're being Asian would definitely do it for you down here man.
Again, given that we're all talking about race here (a very sensitive issue indeed) I'm giving my imput not in a sarcastic manner but in a way to offer some information that might be useful to you - my fellow mongers.
I'm not trying to be funny or smart here, but white dudes really have it made in CA because of several reasons. Bare with me, please. For one thing, race relations here continue being that what they were accross the U.S. 30 and even 40 years ago. Being white will open so many doors to you out here in terms of everything including jobs, education, opportunities and women that it's not even funny. Yes, you read correctly, women, all women regardless of race and/or ethnic backgrounds.
White women will only date white men and Asians ( heads up darkseid) as Asian women will do the same. As for the rest - latinas, middle-easterners, etc.. their first preference will always be a white man (due in part to the racial pressures that exist in this place) over their own kindred and followed very closely by their own kindred - strictly. True to the bone, y'all!! The parents of a latina, filipina, korean or armenian woman will be more than proud for their daughter to bring home a white man for them to meet over say a latino or brother (regardless of them being latinas or sisters themselves). I kid you not!! White men can think of themselves out here as the most suitable candidates for inter-racial dating. Period. This definitely gives you guys an enviably wide selection of femmes to choose from any given moment.
Also, you won't find on an average basis as many buffalos out here as you might in say, dunno, Michigan, South Carolina or NY, given that for the MOST part, AW tend to keep up with the Hollywood image here. This is not to say that there aren't any fat ones, sure there are, but you also find many fit and slim ones around. Their attitudes need to go without saying but if you're of the right race (White or Asian) you're 50% in the door. And if you're not, then you're totally F*****. Peace out!!
Suave Gato
12-09-05, 00:00
Having lived in and around NYC for the past 50 odd years,My experiences seem to be different from most. I am a white male who has dated women from around the world most of them 1/2 my age and as a white male I have always found black women and first generation asians and Indians the most difficult market to crack. Eastern europeans recently transplanted here are definetly the easiest. I do not believe the Asian male's problem has to do with dick size, but rather size in general. I also think a well educated/dressed Black man has no problems here.
Going back to my college days in bumfuck, Indiana, I quickly realized the magic of saying you were from NYC. In every part of the world I have visited this has always been a door opener,if you do not speak or act like you are from Brooklyn or the Bronx.
I think the bigger problem is age not race. Even in NYC a 50y/o guy and a 20 something girlfriend draws looks. I find it incredible that what is commonplace in most of the world is frowned upon in one of the most cosmopolitian cities.
Now one must focus his search in the different ethnic communities that abound this great city. Here it is possible to find a young women who loves you, does not need a visa and family is not in a state of poverty.
It is in these areas around the country that I would advise the young man to look. Older guy's such as myself should be getting there houses in order(to sell) and plan your escape from the USA before prices collaspe. You will be amazed at how well you can live in other parts of the world with under a million in the bank(not actually the bank, I am sure you understand). With internet access it is easy to manage your money anywhere in the world and generating 40k-50k is a no-brainer.
ALP
Sinanju Master
12-09-05, 01:16
LOL This thread is like one of those sunday morning political talk shows. The DIFFERENCE is that I ENJOY this tossing back and forth of ideas and experiences. As for race, Darkseid is right. Many people in this country wear two faces; the one they want you to see, and their TRUE face regarding race. Oh well, you can't fix that shit overnight, but you CAN work it to your advantage overseas. Me, with my American accent, big build (only a few more pounds of spare tire to lose), extremely close-shaven head and dark skin have made me a visual fixation whenever I've left these shores. Hell, I recently had several chicks thinking I was a bodyguard. Personally, when I get my financial game going (B9K and I have been discussing this) my focus will be Eastern Europe, Latin America and parts of Asia. Looking at Kylie Minogue has me thinking of Oz for a short duration, but I digress.
Not all AW's are shit, BUT do you TRULY want to spend your valuable time looking for a SPECIFIC GRAIN OF SAND in the middle of the Sahara? Doing my TAXES is more fun.
Dr. Chocha (hehehe, I like that title) I didn't say that I would DEFINITELY take the route of building up the less-attractive AW into a babe. I only meant that IF that previously mentioned survey took place (that specific situation) and that happened, I'd take that route with my eyes and ears open. The INSTANT she would try some shit like jumping ship to get more ego-boosting male attention, I'd cut my losses and be grateful I didn't stick around to have her suck out my soul and the contents of my wallet.
White women will only date white men and Asians ( heads up darkseid) as Asian women will do the same. As for the rest - latinas, middle-easterners, etc.. their first preference will always be a white man (due in part to the racial pressures that exist in this place) over their own kindred and followed very closely by their own kindred - strictly.
lol what have you been smoking?
lol what have you been smoking?
I too was wondering the same thing.
I'm a transplanted Jamaican male, I've dated many more White American Women than African American Women. White women have less drama and are generally more approachable than AA women. This is just my experience
Darkseid,
I couldn't stop laughing when I read that line. Damn! I know that AW can say some fucked up shit but do they really say that to your face?
Yes, the New York Women DO say that to my face. When these cold bitches hate you enough they are flat out blunt! And I am hated here just for being Asian!! There are SOOOO many anti-Aisan steretypes out there that I can't even fit the numbers on all my digits. The worst ones are- Asians have small penises. False, I happen to have a 7 inch one and it is a pity that only prostitutes who none of these bitches would associate with or foreigners who can't speak english to these bitches will know that. These New Yorkers are the most ignorant of all and I would be more than happy if they would pull my pants down to see the truth but that won't happen with these ignorant skanks. Asian eat dogs and cats: Got into many fights with this one! One Black woman egged her boyfriend to beat me up because she said that I might steal her cat, cook it, and eat it. She told him a false story of how a Chinese restaurant took her cat that strayed into the alley of the restaurant and the restaurant owner chooped it up and made beef and brocolli with "Snuggles" the cat. The boyfriend started approaching me and swinging at me. I blocked and returned punches to him and beat him down and kicked him to the floor. What a mangina, letting a racist ***** control his mind like that. Asians can't drive- got pulled over almost as much as the blacks for this one and didn't violate even a single traffic law. A reason I stopped driving and decided to save my money instead of owning a car! Asians take all the white collar jobs- on the contrary, they take jobs no one else wants like cleaning toilets. Asians are good at math- Seems like a positive stereotype and true for me becasue I am good in math but this stereotype has locked me out of the racist ivy leagues or some jobs because when I did score a great math score, they expect it and they even ignore my math score and focus more on my mediocre verbal SAT score. Asians are taking over the US- No, it's just Asians gather in New York where almost ALL of them end up because of the language barrier. Most only hang out in New York with more to come because they can't speak english and they can only find Chinese speaking Asians in New York. Europeans learn English in school and can go anywhere in the US. No part of the US has Chinese as a second language. Spanish is offered at ATM machines or phone options so that gives Latinos more options and allows them to spread out more in the US but Asians are stuck only in these pocket communites- one reason why my mother won't move out of New York and I am stuck here if unemployed.
There are many others like we are nosepickers, hoggers, etc but I could write a book about these.
I am a freak here and I am only stuck here because I couldn't get job opportunities elsewhere at this time of telecommunications company mergers. There are 3 major mergers -Verizon and MCI; Sprint and Nextel, and AT&T and Cingular! I tried applying out west but nobody is hiring because of these cursed mergers. I have already moved my brother to Las Vegas by buying a cheap house there. I have closed the deal recently and the house costed me $176,000 for a 1500 square feet 3 bedroom ranch style house. I still live with parents here in NYC but at least my brother doesn't have to suffer with me. He will have to search for work so he can take over the mortgage then if there are layoffs, I can volunteer for it and collect unemployment and use that money to support myself until I find a job there while my brother pays the mortgage. For now, I am still saving my money to make this happen. I don't want to move West without money to support myself for a few months or else I might be forced to move back here in NYC back with my parents. My parents are STUPID in this way in that they LOVE this hellhole. It would be great if they lived West so that I could live jobless there but that isn't going to happen. Basically, I am screwed until the telecomm companies start hiring again. If I leave without getting laid off, I get nothing and I am screwed with no money at all. Then I am forced to live with parents in NYC or penniless in the West coast.
CBGBConnisur
12-09-05, 16:09
When I jumped ship from the USA in 99' just before the Millenium bug shit, 1 Aussie dollar bought 55 US Cents, since all the craziness after 2001, the Aussie dollar is around 75 to 80 US Cents. My move abroad was a lot more affordable back then and the economy and stock market were doing much better in those happier times. I bought an apartment in Sydney which costed me even less than what darkseid just paid for his place in Vegas. I feel him, my whole family LOVES the shithole that is NYC, so it was pretty much keeping the family happy versus my own happiness. I'm the more selfish type so it was my happiness that was more important. My parents think I am an asshole for leaving the States. There is a big time shortage of hair dressers in Australia, darkseid man take a hair dressing course here and you can stay here for life, its a great way to meet soe find fuck buddies down under.
Yes, the New York Women DO say that to my face. When these cold bitches hate you enough they are flat out blunt! And I am hated here just for being Asian!! There are SOOOO many anti-Aisan steretypes out there that I can't even fit the numbers on all my digits. The worst ones are- Asians have small penises. False, I happen to have a 7 inch one and it is a pity that only prostitutes who none of these bitches would associate with or foreigners who can't speak english to these bitches will know that. These New Yorkers are the most ignorant of all and I would be more than happy if they would pull my pants down to see the truth but that won't happen with these ignorant skanks. Asian eat dogs and cats: Got into many fights with this one! One Black woman egged her boyfriend to beat me up because she said that I might steal her cat, cook it, and eat it. She told him a false story of how a Chinese restaurant took her cat that strayed into the alley of the restaurant and the restaurant owner chooped it up and made beef and brocolli with "Snuggles" the cat. The boyfriend started approaching me and swinging at me. I blocked and returned punches to him and beat him down and kicked him to the floor. What a mangina, letting a racist ***** control his mind like that. Asians can't drive- got pulled over almost as much as the blacks for this one and didn't violate even a single traffic law. A reason I stopped driving and decided to save my money instead of owning a car! Asians take all the white collar jobs- on the contrary, they take jobs no one else wants like cleaning toilets. Asians are good at math- Seems like a positive stereotype and true for me becasue I am good in math but this stereotype has locked me out of the racist ivy leagues or some jobs because when I did score a great math score, they expect it and they even ignore my math score and focus more on my mediocre verbal SAT score. Asians are taking over the US- No, it's just Asians gather in New York where almost ALL of them end up because of the language barrier. Most only hang out in New York with more to come because they can't speak english and they can only find Chinese speaking Asians in New York. Europeans learn English in school and can go anywhere in the US. No part of the US has Chinese as a second language. Spanish is offered at ATM machines or phone options so that gives Latinos more options and allows them to spread out more in the US but Asians are stuck only in these pocket communites- one reason why my mother won't move out of New York and I am stuck here if unemployed.
There are many others like we are nosepickers, hoggers, etc but I could write a book about these.
I am a freak here and I am only stuck here because I couldn't get job opportunities elsewhere at this time of telecommunications company mergers. There are 3 major mergers -Verizon and MCI; Sprint and Nextel, and AT&T and Cingular! I tried applying out west but nobody is hiring because of these cursed mergers. I have already moved my brother to Las Vegas by buying a cheap house there. I have closed the deal recently and the house costed me $176,000 for a 1500 square feet 3 bedroom ranch style house. I still live with parents here in NYC but at least my brother doesn't have to suffer with me. He will have to search for work so he can take over the mortgage then if there are layoffs, I can volunteer for it and collect unemployment and use that money to support myself until I find a job there while my brother pays the mortgage. For now, I am still saving my money to make this happen. I don't want to move West without money to support myself for a few months or else I might be forced to move back here in NYC back with my parents. My parents are STUPID in this way in that they LOVE this hellhole. It would be great if they lived West so that I could live jobless there but that isn't going to happen. Basically, I am screwed until the telecomm companies start hiring again. If I leave without getting laid off, I get nothing and I am screwed with no money at all. Then I am forced to live with parents in NYC or penniless in the West coast.
You know I like your advice about saving money. But I swear, you have the most self-defeatist, victim mentality Ive ever read from a man.
I dont think there is an overwhelming hatred for Asians per se. But you choose to blame racial stereotypes. That is certainly true in the case of the black woman. But I dont think everyone hates you or discounts you because you're Asian. I bet white men who are less than 5'7'' have just as many problems with women as Asian men under 5'7''.
If you were a 6'4'' 250lbs rocksolid Asian with a square jaw, broad shoulders driving a brand new mercedes, believe me, the jewish girls would come out of the woodwork begging to suck your cock.
Then you go on to say how you have it so hard because you didnt do well on your verbal. You should be happy with your position in life. Didnt you say you make $70k? Median income is only around 55k.
[QUOTE=Cyberdas]Given all the race-related talk taking place here I figure I give my two cents worth.
darkseid, DJ FourMoney is correct in saying that you're in the wrong side of the country - you defintely are dude!! Seriously, you should consider moving to California for all the right reasons. One, being Asian here is a big deal and believe me, you will not be looked down upon, au contraire, you will be standing high in the scale of preferences for AW (White and Asian). Second, You're only 4 to 5 hours away driving time to Vegas where I admit chances of scoring seem to be slightly better than what they are here in CA (or NY for that matter). Perhaps we should swap places given that my being a South American salsa dancer would probably help me some in NY and you're being Asian would definitely do it for you down here man.
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I agree. New York has a strong Afro dance/Hip Hop and Latino Dance culture. Also, Spanish is a second language in New York City. ATMs offer services in Spanish. Banks and mortgage companies even allow you to press "numero dos para espanol". 4 of NYC FM stations play Hip Hop and there are also 3 Salsa stations. There is ONLY 1 Rock station, 1 mixed station (pop, dance, classic, and Hip Hop), and 1 easy listening station. NO COUNTRY MUSIC STATIONS!!!! This shows that NYC women are into the Latino and Afro Dance culture over western. They also would date a Black or Latino brotha over an Asian or White guy. There are also numerous Hip Hop or Salsa clubs here in New York and many White women or Asian women besides the Blacks and Latinas frequent these clubs over techno music clubs. In fact, techno music clubs convert one floor for Hip Hop and/ or Spanish music!!! This trend started in the late 90s. CBGBs which is a club for grunge or rock has become less popular now than it was in the early nineties. Attendance in this club has fallen drastically so much that they could not pay the rent and almost had to close up.
If you are Black or Latina here in NYC, you'll get a lot of pussy. However, the women here are not really into the hollywood culture and they are fat pigs. However, you may also get the occasional workout or Broadway dancer girl. You will get quantity but not quality. If you don't mind having lots of sex with BBWs then this is the place for you. I wish we could have an exchange program so I can go to California and you could come here. Maybe you may like it here better and I might like it in Cali. My brother is already raving about how much Las Vegas is as opposed to New York and bragged about how he has gotten laid in the first month I moved him there.
You know I like your advice about saving money. But I swear, you have the most self-defeatist, victim mentality Ive ever read from a man.
I dont think there is an overwhelming hatred for Asians per se. I just think it might be you personally that women arent attracted to. Im not saying it's your fault. im just saying thats just the way it is. But you choose to blame racial stereotypes. That is certainly true in the case of the black woman. But I dont think everyone hates you or discounts you because you're Asian. I bet white men who are less than 5'7'' have just as many problems with women as Asian men under 5'7''.
Then you go on to say how you have it so hard because you didnt do well on your verbal. You should be happy with your position in life. Didnt you say you make $70k? Median income is only around 55k.
I just wish I had this income somewhere else in the US. Actually, it's true that AWs are as hard on short white guys as they are on Asians. this was reported in the show 20/20 and some other polls of guys women prefer. Asians are the first most hated here in the East Coast but short White guys are the second. The most favored are the Latinos and Blacks (any height) and tall White Guys.
I remember watching that 20/20 episode.
I have a friend who's a white latino (parents from Argentina). He is only 5'6'' or so. For some reason, women love him. He stole a girl from me actually. This girl is about 5'8'' and adores him. He has a gF who's probably 5'2'', a beautiful girl from Quebec. He isnt goodlooking either, and no accent. he is probably 145lbs with manboobs. I guess some guys are just lucky like that.
I do think it is more about height than race though. And I do believe you when you say that people here in the NY area are rude as fuck, especially those "strong independent black women." I just cant believe there is such huge racism against Asian men preventing American sluts from sleeping with them.
But you arent any worse off that most of us. Think about it. Some of us are tall, muscular, etc., and still dont get attention from these witches.
When you have the most spoiled, superficial bitches in the planet in the USA, and the worst of the worst in the NY metro area, then guys who deviate from the ideal standard of masculinity are going to have a hard time.
The fact of the matter is, you cant make American women happy, for the most part. They expect perfection (even when carry baggage).
I think the few experiences you've had where women commented on your size (height and otherwise) and "dog and cats" really skewed your viewpoint of how Asians are regarded.
I am sure people in general are much nicer and a tiny bit less superficial in other parts of the country. Go for it.
CBGBConnisur
12-09-05, 17:35
There is though an unspoken rule that if you're under 5'10" tall, life with the ladies can be hard, in the States. A good AW, if they actually exist want perfection, a guy that is tall, good, looking and earns a double six figure income(a minimum of 200K a year). African Americans have an easy time with the ladies in NYC but those that score with white women are often tall and athletic. I don't know if its that bad against Asians, the Indian guy on the Apprentice was picking up a lot chics, including Donald Trump's receptionist. The Northeast US and English speaking Canada are some of the most uptight places in the world, in a lot of other places in the world, Scandinavia being one, being Asian might be an Ace in your deck.
With your Asian background, you should check out Singapore and Hong Kong, you would definitely get a lot more play there than in NY. Also quit taking the shit you get from NYC women so personally because they are all BITCHES no matter what color you are, all they want is $$$$.
Most Newyork CITY women are only interested in guys with MONEY and could care less about the color of skin or your racial make up. These women would date a FROG with MONEY without batting an eye. If you have lot's of MONEY and it shows by the way you dress, where you live, and the car you drive, then you'll have women of all stripes falling all over themselves to get to you. Newyork city women are the worst and you should think about making a trip up to Montreal to meet North America's most attractive women without the BS.
CBGBConnisur
12-09-05, 19:23
I have to agree with Astor, Montreal is the only place in North America where you will find a real woman. Too bad I can't speak French, you need to speak French fluently in order to migrate to Quebec and work there.
I grew up as a kid in NYC, moved out of there when I was 14, lived in southeastern US for most of my life and have now been in CA for 6 years. I had no idea how bad NYC has become until I heard it from you guys here in this forum and from a new temporary employee in the office. She's the exact prototype of the white AW NYC b**** you guys refer to so much here. Pretty incredible and amazing. I guess I don't have to travel to NYC to get a taste of how AW are over there since I'm already getting that taste over here.
darkseid, CBGB is right about recommending you check out Singapore and Hong Kong. Hell, in any other place one gets more play than in the U.S. hence SEX PRISON. I've come to the same conclussion that its all about $$$ and lots of it over race (thought this helps a lot!!), looks, physique, education, talent and all other factors.
Great news for me to hear that "Montreal is the only place in North America where you will find a real woman" since I've been learning French and have become better at it. I have also learned how Australia offers so much in terms of everything including sex with beautiful women without the games and bs one encounters in Sex Prison USA. Now I have added two more destinations to my wishlist of vacation destinations. Cheers!!
Hi Guys - don't know why I'm following this thread - it must be interesting. (Also CBGB Conn - don't know why you're following it. As as a good-looking tall dark handsome American academic with your own apartment in Sydney and a thrifty beautiful Eastern European lover, you've got it made. I'm almost jealous! :) )
I am curious as to why there is so much angst about AWs - I have limited experience with them. Could the problem be the remnants of feminism? As a younger guy I was a feminist (a 60s child). Now, I'm starting to change my mind. Not sure if it's age/wisdom, or pure selfishness.
cheers
Piper
DJ FourMoney
12-09-05, 20:19
I too was wondering the same thing.
I'm a transplanted Jamaican male, I've dated many more White American Women than African American Women. White women have less drama and are generally more approachable than AA women. This is just my experience
Can I get an Amen?
DJ FourMoney
12-09-05, 21:04
Hi Guys - don't know why I'm following this thread - it must be interesting. (Also CBGB Conn - don't know why you're following it. As as a good-looking tall dark handsome American academic with your own apartment in Sydney and a thrifty beautiful Eastern European lover, you've got it made. I'm almost jealous! :) )
I am curious as to why there is so much angst about AWs - I have limited experience with them. Could the problem be the remnants of feminism? As a younger guy I was a feminist (a 60s child). Now, I'm starting to change my mind. Not sure if it's age/wisdom, or pure selfishness.
cheers
Piper
Remnants? Its in FULL SWING...
You should listen to talk radio they fight among themselves! Get Siruis or XM, its a hoot!
Seriously women's issues aren't important to the mass media so they get no play if your mainly watching CNN and eh Fox for any news on the US.
On one side you have the women that feel they can be career woman and a responsible housewife/mother and not hold against men for past mis-doings.
On the other side you have those with penis envy and I think I don't need to tell you about that.
On top of all of that NOW is firmly split down the middle on choice vs. life.
And if that didn't make things worst the mantra said earlier is pounded into young females by the 100's every single day on every major and minor college campus.
I don't think its anger at all, its frustration.
Like another posted said, do you wanna search in the desert sands for the perfect gain of sand?
Dark, check it -
If you have any sort of computer experience I'd say cut your losses and relocate. I'd say you would do best either in Southern or Northern California. According to the 2000 Census IR relationships have increased the most in the Southwestern US than any other part of the country (if your talking about marriages where one of the couple was Asian). You're just not in the place to be for ideal dating.
Cyberdas -
Your entitled to your opinion, even its not totally correct.
I too haven't had problems with any ladies parents or extended family. Honestly the only thing parents should be worried about is if their children are happy with whomever they pick, as long as that person isn't irresponible or destrutive to a relationship.
Race is such a hot button topic in his country, it gets eye balls on the TV and makes people pick up magazines and newspapers. Its a shame really because as soon as the media can't get any more mileage out of it, they'll move on to something else.
Specifically Black Women are being more open to a larger dating pool, as they should. When you take away all the brothas that are criminals, wanna-be thugs, playas, downlow or just flat out gay, that doesn't leave alot leftover and when more and more brothas are dating outside of just black women, that narrows it down even further.
I dunno what took them so long...
That is actually the truth and not some grandiose statement you said. Our cultures are different, we just live different lives in general. What appeals to one woman may not appeal to another one. Media has some input but its generally very small. Its what your parents have taught you to believe in, has alot more to do with the person you pick to date and ulimately marry.
I'd be lying to you if some of the sexual attraction between white women and black men wasn't contrast of skin color.
I could go on and on here, but basically some countries had embraced urban/black culture LONG before the US did so. Alot of black GI's from WW1/2 did NOT come back to the US after the war and with the US being what it was at the time, do you blame them? So actually they are more comfortable with black people than alot of Americans are and we've been together longer, its a shame really.
IR dating is more acceptable in Western Europe than the US and its not even close. Its even more acceptable in Canada. That's not to say I can't find anybody here, but I'd be a fool if I didn't look elsewhere on this planet.
DJ FourMoney
12-09-05, 21:05
I have to agree with Astor, Montreal is the only place in North America where you will find a real woman. Too bad I can't speak French, you need to speak French fluently in order to migrate to Quebec and work there.
You would do just as well in Toronto.... and french isn't needed.
DJ FourMoney
12-09-05, 21:13
I remember watching that 20/20 episode.
I have a friend who's a white latino (parents from Argentina). He is only 5'6'' or so. For some reason, women love him. He stole a girl from me actually. This girl is about 5'8'' and adores him. He has a gF who's probably 5'2'', a beautiful girl from Quebec. He isnt goodlooking either, and no accent. he is probably 145lbs with manboobs. I guess some guys are just lucky like that.
I do think it is more about height than race though. And I do believe you when you say that people here in the NY area are rude as fuck, especially those "strong independent black women." I just cant believe there is such huge racism against Asian men preventing American sluts from sleeping with them.
But you arent any worse off that most of us. Think about it. Some of us are tall, muscular, etc., and still dont get attention from these witches.
When you have the most spoiled, superficial bitches in the planet in the USA, and the worst of the worst in the NY metro area, then guys who deviate from the ideal standard of masculinity are going to have a hard time.
The fact of the matter is, you cant make American women happy, for the most part. They expect perfection (even when carry baggage).
I think the few experiences you've had where women commented on your size (height and otherwise) and "dog and cats" really skewed your viewpoint of how Asians are regarded.
I am sure people in general are much nicer and a tiny bit less superficial in other parts of the country. Go for it.
I agree....
The double standard is alive and well in the US and its not just for women.
Women can have Baby Daddy drama and that's okay, but we can't have Baby Momma drama, in fact we better not have children at all or our selection really goes down.
I honestly give women a demerit for having at least 1 child because 9 times out of 10 its was unplanned and the father is NO WHERE TO BE FOUND. All too often women use children as a tool to keep men that clearly don't want them around.
That is a error in judgement. IE: Red Flag (especially if its happen twice or three times!)
All you really have to do is talk to women and boy ol boy you'll find alot more than you needed to know.
Like I said MILF's are an interesting bunch...
I agree....
The double standard is alive and well in the US and its not just for women.
Women can have Baby Daddy drama and that's okay, but we can't have Baby Momma drama, in fact we better not have children at all or our selection really goes down.
I honestly give women a demerit for having at least 1 child because 9 times out of 10 its was unplanned and the father is NO WHERE TO BE FOUND. All too often women use children as a tool to keep men that clearly don't want them around.
That is a error in judgement. IE: Red Flag (especially if its happen twice or three times!)
All you really have to do is talk to women and boy ol boy you'll find alot more than you needed to know.
Like I said MILF's are an interesting bunch...
Dont you love it? First they'll say they planned to have this child at the age of 17. Now if thats true, then it shows just how STOOOOPID they really are.
Or they'll say the pill just wasnt working AND the condom broke. Yeah, both of those events happen on the very day you ovulated. You got to be kidding me.
Or it will be some skank who says she didnt want to become fat from the pill, despite the fact that the IUD exists, the diaphragm, spermicidal foam. This type of woman doesnt think twice about the 40lbs she'll gain from pregnancy along with the stretchmarks.
Then there is the complete airhead who "forgets" to take the pill for 7 days in a row. For those of you who dont know, when a woman is on the pill, her eggs are essentially 'building up' in her ovaries. So when she gets off the pill, the number of eggs she releases will be close to the number of months she was on. So she could release 12 eggs at once because she "forgot" to take the pill.
We really do need a male form of birth control.
If you want to avoid this type of trash that is more likely to trick you into fatherhood, my suggestion is to not date women who didnt live with their fathers til they were 18. Most teenage pregnancies are to girls who didnt have a father to guide them in life. Of course this will eliminate large numbers of women. Just goes to show how Aw are worthless.
I just found out something disconcerting.
Oprah is broadcast on Sky1 which is seen as I understand it across the world, including Eastern Europe, and Asia.
DJ FourMoney
12-10-05, 02:58
Dont you love it? First they'll say they planned to have this child at the age of 17. Now if thats true, then it shows just how STOOOOPID they really are.
Or they'll say the pill just wasnt working AND the condom broke. Yeah, both of those events happen on the very day you ovulated. You got to be kidding me.
Or it will be some skank who says she didnt want to become fat from the pill, despite the fact that the IUD exists, the diaphragm, spermicidal foam. This type of woman doesnt think twice about the 40lbs she'll gain from pregnancy along with the stretchmarks.
Then there is the complete airhead who "forgets" to take the pill for 7 days in a row. For those of you who dont know, when a woman is on the pill, her eggs are essentially 'building up' in her ovaries. So when she gets off the pill, the number of eggs she releases will be close to the number of months she was on. So she could release 12 eggs at once because she "forgot" to take the pill.
We really do need a male form of birth control.
If you want to avoid this type of trash that is more likely to trick you into fatherhood, my suggestion is to not date women who didnt live with their fathers til they were 18. Most teenage pregnancies are to girls who didnt have a father to guide them in life. Of course this will eliminate large numbers of women. Just goes to show how Aw are worthless.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that notices this "PATTERN" of behavior.
I know girls that have turned to anal sex just to avoid getting pregnant. Of course that's a good thing in my book... But these kinds of girls weren't around when I was in high school so I'm missing out.
Single mothers generally don't like me, because I'll call them on it. Its not the fact that your a mother now, its the fact you'll just make another stupid decision down the road. Not only that, instead of being independant your being dependant. I don't recall alot of single mothers being college educated by age 25, it just doesn't happen. You have a remote case or two, but that explains why so many are in the adult entertrainment industry and other jobs that take little to no skill or education.
These factors make them easier to date, however you have to deal with all the garage it can entail. You can't be spontaneous with young children and that's the time to "get in" so to speak with single mothers, especially if the father isn't a factor. That kills any of your "game" if that's one of your good angles. So you spend alot of time at home and if she claims she's bored, POINT right at Junior.
MILF's love any sort of attention, there so used to not getting any. So the sex is pretty dayum good for awhile. They are not only getting what they want, they are putting in a bid to keep you around.
Under the right conditions it could be a blessing because you find a real princess that had her life derailed by a bad decision.
The key is to give her life direction because she's had such a bad time managing it herself.
That goes right along with no father figure being around to teach them rules and give them boundaries. You'll find alot of MILF are products of single parent homes themselves...
Nothing more to say other than, not all AW are worthless....
DJ FourMoney
12-10-05, 04:23
I'm in the middle of research for my assault on dating sites in about two weeks.
I have selected 148 profiles from Canada, America, Argentina, Western Europe, New Zealand and even Eastern Europe.
Ages run from as young as 18 (almost half my age) to 41. I haven't broken it down any further than that. The reason for targeting those under 21, no reason other than I past for 25-30 (thought I have to shave more often now..).
26 of the of the 66 North American Profiles have children.
18 of the 80 European/NZ/South American profiles have children.
Kind of underlines the theme of the past several post here.
Notes:
I have a LOCK in England already, but I'm not sure if I'm going to let that go any further than it has. This is going to sound really shallow, but I feel I can do better and she has 2 kids which is instant family. She is willing to have another one, so she gets points for that. I'm just not "floored" by her appearance.
We shall see...
Geezus, Im going to have to really narrow the German profiles down. I haven't counted but I know its around 50-60. I have 4 profiles in Prague alone, so that sounds promising. I just didn't want to spend all 10 days in Germany trying to juggle maybe as many as 10 women. That's based on hitting on 20% of those I contact, which I think is a fair number. If its more I'll be suprised and that will make the narrowing down process alot harder.
Lucky for me the site can keep track of who I emailed...
When I'm closer to actually emailing ladies I'll give an update on the progress. This is just one site, I have to start on the other four I have memberships at.
Disapointments:
Only one profile from BsA and none (that I found attractive) from Brasil.
Interestingly what I'm finding from Brasl, is the regular girls aren't nearly as good looking as those in the sex trade. That alone might delay my visit to South America to later in 2006, which is kinda of disapointing.
What's more important?
Mongering with the expectation of nothing in return but some memories and a few phone numbers or finding that "one" girl?
Hmmmm
Right now I'm leaning towards the latter because I can go to Brasil/BsA later no matter what happens, unless she lives down the street (one profile is right in town here). My lucky locally has been horrible, so Im not counting on it but with my luck... I will still go however, no matter what happens.
Not sure how much morgering I would get done in Europe or would I even need too...
I just found out something disconcerting.
Oprah is broadcast on Sky1 which is seen as I understand it across the world, including Eastern Europe, and Asia.
I wonder if we can find out how many people in E.E. actually subscribe to the Sky1 service.
Chocha Monger
12-10-05, 08:24
What's more important?
Mongering with the expectation of nothing in return but some memories and a few phone numbers or finding that "one" girl?
Monger or die trying. Any girl can be the one, it's just a state of mind. It all depends on how much you want to compromise on your ideals and how much shit you can put up with.
CBGBConnisur
12-10-05, 16:06
I'm in the middle of research for my assault on dating sites in about two weeks.
I have selected 148 profiles from Canada, America, Argentina, Western Europe, New Zealand and even Eastern Europe.
Ages run from as young as 18 (almost half my age) to 41. I haven't broken it down any further than that. The reason for targeting those under 21, no reason other than I past for 25-30 (thought I have to shave more often now..).
26 of the of the 66 North American Profiles have children.
18 of the 80 European/NZ/South American profiles have children.
Kind of underlines the theme of the past several post here.
Notes:
I have a LOCK in England already, but I'm not sure if I'm going to let that go any further than it has. This is going to sound really shallow, but I feel I can do better and she has 2 kids which is instant family. She is willing to have another one, so she gets points for that. I'm just not "floored" by her appearance.
We shall see...
Geezus, Im going to have to really narrow the German profiles down. I haven't counted but I know its around 50-60. I have 4 profiles in Prague alone, so that sounds promising. I just didn't want to spend all 10 days in Germany trying to juggle maybe as many as 10 women. That's based on hitting on 20% of those I contact, which I think is a fair number. If its more I'll be suprised and that will make the narrowing down process alot harder.
Lucky for me the site can keep track of who I emailed...
When I'm closer to actually emailing ladies I'll give an update on the progress. This is just one site, I have to start on the other four I have memberships at.
Disapointments:
Only one profile from BsA and none (that I found attractive) from Brasil.
Interestingly what I'm finding from Brasl, is the regular girls aren't nearly as good looking as those in the sex trade. That alone might delay my visit to South America to later in 2006, which is kinda of disapointing.
What's more important?
Mongering with the expectation of nothing in return but some memories and a few phone numbers or finding that "one" girl?
Hmmmm
Right now I'm leaning towards the latter because I can go to Brasil/BsA later no matter what happens, unless she lives down the street (one profile is right in town here). My lucky locally has been horrible, so Im not counting on it but with my luck... I will still go however, no matter what happens.
Not sure how much morgering I would get done in Europe or would I even need too...
That is a big red flag if the woman already has children. A BIG one.
American Woman
Yesterday evening I got a call from an White American lady I've been seeing for almost 6yrs, she was calling to find out how I was doing and so I scheduled a session.
She's your typical AW model lookalike, White, 32yrs old, 34b-24-32, blonde hair, brown eyes , 120Ibs, 5'3" and petite. I guess because I'm foreign born she talks to me alot about things on her mind. Anyway, I walk in and she leads me to her bedroom and begins to complain about Atlanta men being so cheap(I guess that includes me) and that's why alot of Atlanta ladies now travel to other cities and get $300-$400 per hr easy. Not only are these ladies making out like bandits, but they can make these guys drop a load in under 20mins and kick em out the door in 30mins.
I pay her $100 per session, since I've been a regular for so long. My intial session with her 6yrs ago was out of this world, since then she has steadily gotten lazy. Not willing to try new positions, just your basic missionary and doggie style, and the ocassional cowgirl. I call my sessions with her a MWE(married wife experience), but for the unbeatable price and the fact that she's a good looking woman, I will continue to see her. Unfortunately the sex is very boring which I'm sure is typical of alot of Model type American Women.
Eastern European lady
As soon as the session was over I got a call from another lady who is an Eastern European transplant. She's an attractive model look alike with strawberry blonde hair and blue eyes, 26yrs, petite 5'4" 32b-24-34, 125ibs.
She was also calling to see how I was doing and wanted to see me as she had not seen me for a while. So I scheduled a session for later that evening. I arrive at her house and she hugs and kisses me at the door and we stumble towards the kitchen area where she asks me if I want to try some of the different herbal teas she had bought and also a carrot cake and chocalate candy she had baked. We talked for a little while and we ended up in the bedroom where we made passionate love in all kinds of positions. We finished and we just lay there cuddled together and talking for a awhile. After this, we both got up and she had the shower running and we were both fondling, kissing and soaping each other. Anyway we towelled each other off, put on our clothes and we both kissed again and I left. She asked me to call her soon.
Folks, in one evening, I've been able to see for myself the difference between AW and Eastern European women. The attitude difference between the two is like night and day. I'm not posting this to claim that I'm some kind of stud because I'm NOT.
I just treat the ladies the same way I want others to treat me. Plain and simple. My only regret is that If I'd known the Eastern European lady was going to call me I would not have seen the Blonde american woman.
I've been following this forum for a few weeks now and have had a minor discussion with darkseid etc. I'm from new york city so I know what kind of bullshit goes on here.Basically there's no hope....the other ny's on this forum understand the situation etc. I've been paying for pussy since I was 13 here in new york(it used to be available!) and in the past few years have started to travel to get laid.I'm looking into moving or spending at least 6 months out of the year in a foreign country etc.I love latin women.
My situation is I'm 36 good looking and girls flirt with me all the time BUT I STUTTER!! as soon as my mouth opens it says...if we have kids they might stutter.I have a ***** of a time getting jobs,I'm a loner blah blah all within 3 minutes..in america I'm screwed!
I've met alot of sweet women in latin countries but the latin guys tell me the women are bitches too.It's just that I'm the big fish in a small pond in those countries and the opposite in america.Don't you guys feel it's just the same game but we just have the advantage? Now I'm getting a little confused about how to deal with it.These women could be just as shallow and sneaky as AW's and I might be swindled into a trap thinking it is for real.Hey guys who are getting play here in america would disagree with alot of us here and just call us sore losers.There are AW's who are sweet but only to a select few guys(providers). I've been with sweet latin ladies that I could tell by her actions with other men that latin guys didn't think so.
I just dont trust women on any continent they all need the same thing(support).I'm thinking if I did live in one of these countries I could easily turn into a player but then how real would I be to myself and what kind of energy would I be putting out(maybe negative).
At 36 years old I'm asking myself do I support someone and play the game knowing Im getting laid for support or just have endless girlfriends which would be great at first but then eventually I'd wind up with a shallow life of meaningless relationships which in the end wouldn''t serve me or anyone else.I'd just be adding to the dillema between the sexes.
I'd like to get laid alot but I'd also like to make something positive of an opportunity I wouldn't get here.
Any thoughts?
DJ FourMoney
12-10-05, 22:17
i've been following this forum for a few weeks now and have had a minor discussion with darkseid etc. i'm from new york city so i know what kind of bullshit goes on here.basically there's no hope....the other ny's on this forum understand the situation etc. i've been paying for pussy since i was 13 here in new york(it used to be available!) and in the past few years have started to travel to get laid.i'm looking into moving or spending at least 6 months out of the year in a foreign country etc.i love latin women.
my situation is i'm 36 good looking and girls flirt with me all the time but i stutter!! as soon as my mouth opens it says...if we have kids they might stutter.i have a ***** of a time getting jobs,i'm a loner blah blah all within 3 minutes..in america i'm screwed!
i've met alot of sweet women in latin countries but the latin guys tell me the women are bitches too.it's just that i'm the big fish in a small pond in those countries and the opposite in america.don't you guys feel it's just the same game but we just have the advantage? now i'm getting a little confused about how to deal with it.these women could be just as shallow and sneaky as aw's and i might be swindled into a trap thinking it is for real.hey guys who are getting play here in america would disagree with alot of us here and just call us sore losers.there are aw's who are sweet but only to a select few guys(providers). i've been with sweet latin ladies that i could tell by her actions with other men that latin guys didn't think so.
i just dont trust women on any continent they all need the same thing(support).i'm thinking if i did live in one of these countries i could easily turn into a player but then how real would i be to myself and what kind of energy would i be putting out(maybe negative).
at 36 years old i'm asking myself do i support someone and play the game knowing im getting laid for support or just have endless girlfriends which would be great at first but then eventually i'd wind up with a shallow life of meaningless relationships which in the end wouldn''t serve me or anyone else.i'd just be adding to the dillema between the sexes.
i'd like to get laid alot but i'd also like to make something positive of an opportunity i wouldn't get here.
any thoughts?
1) you can fix studdering. i saw something on the history channel that was from say 2003 about a guy that studdered uncontroled when under pressure or nervous. http://www.rickywburk.org/speech/therapy.htm
check that out, basically you talk back to yourself the way it suppose to sound because this machine fixes timing of the sound to your ears basically fooling your brain into thinking its not studdering anymore.
it works...
2) don't be defeated. you can find what you need here if you willing to put the time into it. the problem is too many people rush into ltr and get burned. you'll never know somebody until you live with them. you have to live with somebody for a set amount of time to see how they act. yes, some ladies will put up a front until they get what they want and change the minute you put the ring on. at that point you get the marriage annulled, don't mess around.
i just desire to find a woman without baggae and that's fairly thin. its just to hard to find that in the us. combined with my choosen profession it just makes it harder because of stereotypes and the fact that alot of women are dependant and needy.
nothing ventured, nothing gained, so you can't sit on the sidelines wondering if some woman is going to burn you. you have to be selective. while your being selective, monger until you find that somebody. if your true to yourself you can quit mongering and never return.
ask yourself what do you need from a woman to make a ltr work.
for me attractiveness is near the top of my list. i don't want my eyes to wander, i don't want my attention taken away by another woman, i don't want to feel like i can do better than what i already have. after that, i need personality, i need independence, i need somebody with actitivies and desires herself outside of the marriage. she can't be wrapped up just in having a family and being married, what happens when the kids are grown? we have to have things in common, that is crucial, i can't stress that enough and i'm not just talking about things in popular culture. do you have the same moral desires and beliefs? you have to have those things.
all i can say is to look deep within yourself and don't let people tell you bs like your swallow. i could care less, this your life and not theirs.
i said i had 148 profiles on one site alone and i haven't edited the other sites yet. alot of those women are right here in the us. i don't think every last one of them are messed up so bad you can't help them evolve as people and learn the difference between needs and desires.
milf by and large already understand that because they are now 2nd tier selections in the process and they know it.
that's why you can't just eliminate them. i just rather have a childless woman, so that's my focus. but there are some milfs on that list, who knows what will happen. i'm mindful and postitive traveling will be the best thing i could have done for my social life and allows me to be in complete control of my dating and who im dating and doesn't leave me dependant on getting sex only from less desirables or just us based women only.
that's what im saying to you guys, don't let the fact your in america stop you from running around the globe to find what you want, there is no perfect place for women, that's foolish thinking. there places that you might have better luck, that's just how it is.
stay postitive fellas...
DJ FourMoney
12-10-05, 22:22
That is a big red flag if the woman already has children. A BIG one.
Usually, but alot have learned from it... Some haven't those are the ones with 3 or more... I know one with 6, count them 6 and she's in Germany...
DJ FourMoney
12-10-05, 22:34
Monger or die trying. Any girl can be the one, it's just a state of mind. It all depends on how much you want to compromise on your ideals and how much shit you can put up with.
Ride or Die, wooo
You can find a girl with no BS, its just tough man. You have a better shot of winning the lottery, maybe we should play more.
Don't worry I'll get some mongering in thurr... Then I won't be trying so hard to bang them, I can let them jump me and they have nobody to blame but themselves.... - :D
Sinanju Master
12-10-05, 23:13
American Woman
Folks, in one evening, I've been able to see for myself the difference between AW and Eastern European women. The attitude difference between the two is like night and day. I'm not posting this to claim that I'm some kind of stud because I'm NOT.
I just treat the ladies the same way I want others to treat me. Plain and simple. My only regret is that If I'd known the Eastern European lady was going to call me I would not have seen the Blonde american woman.
Astor, the description of your session with the AW made me envision her either doing her nails or yakking on the phone to a girlfriend while you were doing her. It amazes me that this broad wants a guy to pony up $300-$400 per hour in order to participate in what amounts to necrophilia. It's that sense of entitlement in AW's that makes me look down on them. The only give and take they know of is: you give, they take.
dj four money...thanks for the pep talk! i actually have something similar(and done therapy) to that speech machine and it's helpful sometimes but for sure not a cure.it's not that the stutter is that bad ...even when im doing good it's not enough to get pussy...all it takes is a little something and neurotic women freak.i've got that potential.i can get laid here in new york but to what and would that even be considered sex? fat and ugly dont mind me at all...and i've done it but i cant smell another gross hole again.i always get the i'll bang them once if i never have to see them again women and mind you i like a big sloppy ass on some woman but the smell (no joke) i cannot deal with also knowing i bust my ass at the gym to stay fit works on me.i would rather pay!!!
i just hope i do the right thing in other countries and not be too much of a pig and use it positively to my advantage..rather i'm talking aloud.alot of americans dont even have passports or the ability to travel.these days i have a huge advantage since i travel.it's just been such a culture shock going from bitches to woman that its still all a little baffling.
yeah dj four money i agree with living with them first....
DJ FourMoney
12-11-05, 02:01
dj four money...thanks for the pep talk! i actually have something similar(and done therapy) to that speech machine and it's helpful sometimes but for sure not a cure.it's not that the stutter is that bad ...even when im doing good it's not enough to get pussy...all it takes is a little something and neurotic women freak.i've got that potential.i can get laid here in new york but to what and would that even be considered sex? fat and ugly dont mind me at all...and i've done it but i cant smell another gross hole again.i always get the i'll bang them once if i never have to see them again women and mind you i like a big sloppy ass on some woman but the smell (no joke) i cannot deal with also knowing i bust my ass at the gym to stay fit works on me.i would rather pay!!!
i just hope i do the right thing in other countries and not be too much of a pig and use it positively to my advantage..rather i'm talking aloud.alot of americans dont even have passports or the ability to travel.these days i have a huge advantage since i travel.it's just been such a culture shock going from bitches to woman that its still all a little baffling.
yeah dj four money i agree with living with them first....
30% of americans have passports...
as a black man, i shouldn't have too much problem not waving the red, white and blue, however i am an american and there's no place i rather be.
that being said, its a daunting task to find a woman here if you have any sort of flaw. of course ugly women and fat women have no problem giving it up, they never have. i could keep screwing fat chicks too, but i rather not and i have put my foot down and stopped. its easy, do a short search on the bbw web sites for somebody local and bang there you are. i have the addtional advantage of bbw friendly nightclubs here in southern california. there about 3-4 of them and they are loaded with all the chubbness you can stand.
its just not for me...
glad the pep talked help, lord knows some of us need it after aw beat us to a pulp in the media, painting am as bumbling idoits that couldn't even tie their own shoes without their wife or gf's help.
american women making millions of dollars of singles like "baby mama" get the fugg outta here! it takes two to tango, what happen to taking the pill? what happen to making him wear a condom? what happen to taking the shot, what happen to choice?
its not all our faults, that's what they would like you to believe.
CBGBConnisur
12-11-05, 03:46
30 percent is really high most statistics state around 7 to 9 percent of US citizens own one, and only about 5 percent of the traveling public go outside of the US each year. This is due to a lot of factors, primarily the fact that most Americans don't get more than 2 weeks off a year.
DJ FourMoney
12-11-05, 05:41
30 percent is really high most statistics state around 7 to 9 percent of US citizens own one, and only about 5 percent of the traveling public go outside of the US each year. This is due to a lot of factors, primarily the fact that most Americans don't get more than 2 weeks off a year.
I haven't had paid vaction in 10 years....
I take time off anyway, because I need the break. Let somebody else work themselves to the bone. They'll have little to show for it in the end.
CBGBConnisur
12-11-05, 05:58
I haven't had paid vaction in 10 years....
I take time off anyway, because I need the break. Let somebody else work themselves to the bone. They'll have little to show for it in the end.
10 years??!!! Shit, people where I live get a minimum of four weeks if they work full time, and this increases. The only people who get four weeks in the States are higher up executives, people who own a business travel a lot more too. The arrange I have is four weeks plus 25 percent of my month salary, I usually wind up taking 6.
DJ FourMoney
12-11-05, 08:09
10 years??!!! Shit, people where I live get a minimum of four weeks if they work full time, and this increases. The only people who get four weeks in the States are higher up executives, people who own a business travel a lot more too. The arrange I have is four weeks plus 25 percent of my month salary, I usually wind up taking 6.
Well part of it is I change jobs too much to get paid vaction.
I worked a W4 job the 3 out of the last 5 years, so no paid vaction useless I pay myself, so basically just kept working. But I was never questioned when I took time off. I usually never took more than a week and a few times I would take off the end of the year from Christmas Eve till after the 1st.
I normally don't have any where to go. That's why Im going to find a place to go this year. So far its Europe and South America but Im also going to go down to Mexico and into Canada since I didn't stay very long the first time (about 48 hours).
I also always felt I needed a wingman but no more. I don't think it will be so bad on my own, I'll actually have a better time I think anyway.
Usually, but alot have learned from it... Some haven't those are the ones with 3 or more... I know one with 6, count them 6 and she's in Germany...
I worked with this Puerto Rican chick a few years ago. She started popping out kids at the age of 15. I met her at age 30 and she had 5 kids. No I didnt date this woman, cause she had an attitude from hell, and she obviously doesnt believe in birth control, although not religious. I DONT THINK SO! She was cute though.
Dj four money,
You dont need a wingman take it from me.Traveling solo will make you more accessible to people and you will meet others just like you.Every trip I go on I meet really intresting people and usually wind up doing something with them or exchanging information.I meet alot of british and canadian people who are very accomodating and fun to be with.I also find the locals have more respect for you....I've done mexico by myself a month at a time and have met alot of cool people and found about off tilt smut places etc.
My advice is to research and take notes before you go and join something like www.virtualtourist.com and read other peoples experiences.Go to a book store and take notes from travel books.www.frommers.com has useful info as well.
Never book a hotel for more than 3 days from america...you can always find a nice hotel for 1/2 the price if your not hung up on absolute luxury.
PM me if you need more info.Im going to jamaica "solo" tommorow .If anything is worthy to write about I will post.
Doctor_Skank
12-11-05, 17:32
Artisttyp has valid points, and although I do just fine without a wingman and though you certainly dont need one when you are one on one with your girl, IMHO having a wingman has a lot of advantages.
1) you can talk shop during your down time. If you are doing some serious prowling over an extended period of time you will get tired of only dates, dinner, sex etc... especially if you are communicating in a language that is foreign to you... have someone fun to talk about and share information and impressions with can greatly improve your level of entertainment.
2) going to clubs can be a real drag alone. I do it all the time out of necessity, but it really is more fun for me if I am going out on the prowl with a guy I like hanging out with. Its of course even more fun if he is an outgoing type of guy that is skilled with the ladies... if he is doing better than you on a particular night you can even sometimes pick up the girlfriend of his target. A good wingmen is willing also to "take one for the team", just as you should be. Beyond that, if you are going for freebies sometimes a solo guy will appear too predatory... two guys having fun is more attractive to girls than a single guy looking for targets. A good wingmen will always leave you alone to pursue your best option if it should turn out that you're better off alone. And often girls are out in pairs or groups as well.
3) although I am not paranoid at all, in some areas of the world having a wingman can be a safety factor. Two guys are never an easy target for scams or violence. One guy, no matter how tough, is always vulnerable to a degree.
Lustforthrust
12-11-05, 17:55
A HK Chinese woman would have no problems with turning on the b*tch shield when sitting across you at a dinner table (tables here hold 15), just before you are to be introduced to each other. Ofcourse, most men here know this and will have no effect on them - so, she'll stare and force you to look at her flared b*tch-shield.
She would go out of her way to avoid getting into the same elevator with you and if 2 elevators should happen to be available, she would wait until you got into one of them before she takes the other.
Although it's very safe at all hours of the day, after 10 pm, she'd stare at you and when you look to see who's staring, she run to wherever she was headed. These are short, ugly bitches that would be breathless after 10 paces.
I have seen HK Chinese women bash/slap men in the subways during the peak hours; anyone holding the "they are submissive" view, is best advised to dismiss that notion.
I have experienced this in Shanghai too. A short ugly b*tch on her boyfriends arm, playing silly games pretending to avoid my advances - her pussy b/f puts up with this shit; no she's not fooling him, he clearly sees I have no interest in her.
Now don't be under the illusion that Chinese women are all sexy or dutiful or homemaker type. Obesity is here, many are hooked onto gambling, many others are obnoxious pigs.
Many times it's hard to tell Chinese men/women apart. Nearly the same size, pretty similar garb and mannerisms. Also, a lot of women were no make-up and sport short hair, and ofcourse no hips/ass/tits; then it's really hard to tell.
CBGBConnisur
12-11-05, 18:37
A HK Chinese woman would have no problems with turning on the b*tch shield when sitting across you at a dinner table (tables here hold 15), just before you are to be introduced to each other. Ofcourse, most men here know this and will have no effect on them - so, she'll stare and force you to look at her flared b*tch-shield.
She would go out of her way to avoid getting into the same elevator with you and if 2 elevators should happen to be available, she would wait until you got into one of them before she takes the other.
Although it's very safe at all hours of the day, after 10 pm, she'd stare at you and when you look to see who's staring, she run to wherever she was headed. These are short, ugly bitches that would be breathless after 10 paces.
I have seen HK Chinese women bash/slap men in the subways during the peak hours; anyone holding the "they are submissive" view, is best advised to dismiss that notion.
I have experienced this in Shanghai too. A short ugly b*tch on her boyfriends arm, playing silly games pretending to avoid my advances - her pussy b/f puts up with this shit; no she's not fooling him, he clearly sees I have no interest in her.
Now don't be under the illusion that Chinese women are all sexy or dutiful or homemaker type. Obesity is here, many are hooked onto gambling, many others are obnoxious pigs.
Many times it's hard to tell Chinese men/women apart. Nearly the same size, pretty similar garb and mannerisms. Also, a lot of women were no make-up and sport short hair, and ofcourse no hips/ass/tits; then it's really hard to tell.
That title seems to hold for Southeast Asian women not East Asian or South Asian females, who are "modernizing" at a rapid rate.
DJ FourMoney
12-11-05, 19:40
Dj four money,
You dont need a wingman take it from me.Traveling solo will make you more accessible to people and you will meet others just like you.Every trip I go on I meet really intresting people and usually wind up doing something with them or exchanging information.I meet alot of british and canadian people who are very accomodating and fun to be with.I also find the locals have more respect for you....I've done mexico by myself a month at a time and have met alot of cool people and found about off tilt smut places etc.
My advice is to research and take notes before you go and join something like www.virtualtourist.com and read other peoples experiences.Go to a book store and take notes from travel books.www.frommers.com has useful info as well.
Never book a hotel for more than 3 days from america...you can always find a nice hotel for 1/2 the price if your not hung up on absolute luxury.
PM me if you need more info.Im going to jamaica "solo" tommorow .If anything is worthy to write about I will post.
Thanks man, really... (as I watch the Ohio Bowl and Raider game)
Ever since I have been here, I had tried to get people interested in going with, but they have no desire to go and as one put it "chase tail in another country". That's fine with me, nobody to spot when they are short, nobody to think of when you hooked up and they didn't, etc, etc. I have seen the light and I've always wanted to travel anyway. I'm just going to get out and go, life is way too short.
Jamaica is on my list, maybe a short trip in '07, have a good time!
Thanks man, really... (as I watch the Ohio Bowl and Raider game)
Ever since I have been here, I had tried to get people interested in going with, but they have no desire to go and as one put it "chase tail in another country". That's fine with me, nobody to spot when they are short, nobody to think of when you hooked up and they didn't, etc, etc. I have seen the light and I've always wanted to travel anyway. I'm just going to get out and go, life is way too short.
Jamaica is on my list, maybe a short trip in '07, have a good time!
DJFourmoney, You can always find friendly tourists from Europe, USA, Canada etc who will share info about the best spots to score with the ladies, best lodging, restaurants, etc.
DJ FourMoney
12-11-05, 23:22
DJFourmoney, You can always find friendly tourists from Europe, USA, Canada etc who will share info about the best spots to score with the ladies, best lodging, restaurants, etc.
I understand that now. Its a specialized group that travels and even more specialized that travels to monger and seek non-pro talent.
Its a great group guys so far here...
I'm just excited to get out there and can't happen soon enough.
Astor, the description of your session with the AW made me envision her either doing her nails or yakking on the phone to a girlfriend while you were doing her. It amazes me that this broad wants a guy to pony up $300-$400 per hour in order to participate in what amounts to necrophilia. It's that sense of entitlement in AW's that makes me look down on them. The only give and take they know of is: you give, they take.
I think the blonde AW I see occasionally knows if she did not call me she probably would'nt see me again. She does just enough to keep me interested. With AW there's an inverse relationship between their attractiveness and their attitude in the bedroom. The prettier they are the more lousy they are in the bedroom coupled with a nasty attitude.
For dating purposes I avoid the model type women and concentrate on the more normal or average women. I'll take a below average to average looking face(must have white straight teeth) and an awesome looking body over a model with a perfect face and perfect body.
I remember last year I had a session with an African American lady who thought she looked like the Queen of Sheba. She had stretch marks across her midsection and fake breasts that felt like bricks. Anyway at my most vulnerable moment, midway in a session, she tried the dreaded upsell. I told her I was not falling for that BS and started to put on my clothes. I left and swore to myself I would never see her again. Do you know, this lady called me every month for the next year offering me all kinds of discounts to get me to return. Folks, in the mongering world we(men) have all the power, in the real world unfortuantely this power is reversed.
Here's a posting of an ad I've just seen on CL Atlanta. She's 350IB and wants us to pay $150 for her services. Her pics look so hideous that I almost threw up.
Hello I am Kabani. I am a full figured 350lb Ebony Empress. I specialize in the art of facesitting. I will take all that I have to satisfy that craving for a big gorgeous woman to control you. A woman of My size to crush you with all of Her glorious weight. Look no further. I am here. I am d/d free. If you decide to come visit with me you will leave fullfilled and satisfied. My location is clean and discreet and extremely comfortable. I am open for special requests. I love $$Gifts of 150.
DJ FourMoney
12-12-05, 05:44
Here's a posting of an ad I've just seen on CL Atlanta. She's a 350IB hefer and wants us to pay $150 for her services. Her pics look so hideous that I almost threw up.
Hello I am Kabani. I am a full figured 350lb Ebony Empress. I specialize in the art of facesitting. I will take all that I have to satisfy that craving for a big gorgeous woman to control you. A woman of My size to crush you with all of Her glorious weight. Look no further. I am here. I am d/d free. If you decide to come visit with me you will leave fullfilled and satisfied. My location is clean and discreet and extremely comfortable. I am open for special requests. I love $$Gifts of 150.
Its a feitsh I guess the problem I have is...
Why in the world would you have to PAY for it?
You can find a 300lbs woman that would be willing to sit on you for free I would hope...
Sinanju Master
12-12-05, 05:50
In what general area of Atlanta do you stay? The reason I ask, is 'cos I used to live in Stone Mountain. After classes, I would hang out and party in Buckhead or Midtown. Have you ever been to Duggan's on Ponce De Leon Ave? How about Good Old Days (now called the Atlanta Beer Garden) or American Pie in Sandy Spring? Have you ever hung out in Little Five Points? Man, I haven't been to Atlanta since early '91 and I wanna see how it's changed....
40-ish.............................................49
Adventurous.................................Slept with everyone
Athletic..........................................No tits
Average looking..........................Moooo
Beautiful.......................................Pathological liar
Emotionally Secure......................On medication
Feminist..........................................Fat
Free spirit....................................Junkie
Friendship first..........................Former ****
New-Age....................................Body hair in the wrong places
Old-fashioned........................! .....No BJs
Open-minded.................................Desperate
Outgoing........................................Loud and Embarrassing
Professional....................................*****
Voluptuous...................................Very Fat
Large frame.................................Hugely Fat
Wants Soul mate...............................Stalker
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WOMEN'S ENGLISH:
1. Yes = No
2. No = Yes
3. Maybe = No
4. We need = I want
5. I am sorry = you'll be sorry
6. We need to talk = You're in trouble
7. Sure, go ahead = You better not
8. Do! what you want = You will pay for this later
9. I am not upset = Of course I am upset, you moron!
10. You're certainly attentive tonight = Is sex all you ever think about?
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MEN'S ENGLISH:
1. I am hungry = I am hungry
2. I am sleepy = I am sleepy
3. I am tired = I am tired
4. Nice dress = Nice cleavage!
5. I love you = Let's have sex now
6. I am bored = Do you want to have sex?
7. May I have this dance? = I'd like to have sex with you
8. Can I call you sometime? = I'd like to have sex with you
9. Do you want to go to a movie? = I'd like to have sex with you
10. Can I take you out to dinner? = I'd li! ke to have sex with you
Sinanju Master
12-12-05, 18:22
Now THAT'S what I call an accurate translation manual!
to the list below.
On the online dating sites, the more poetic, ornate, etc a girl's handle is the bigger a fuglo.
For example, "Morning Dew on Butterfly Wings", is most likely attached to 5 foot tall, 320 pounds, butt ugly (she would be anyways if that fat)
Conversely, the (relatively-actually hot online is a rarity), better looking girls tend to use almost no imagination, as none is required from them in dating in real life. They tend to be things like "Sexy Staci", or "Hot Natalie"
Doctor_Skank
12-12-05, 19:35
Shame US online dating seems such a sham. In Europe and particularly EE, its a largely legit way for people to meet. Every girl I've met looked either just as good as her picture or in many cases, better.
Its a feitsh I guess the problem I have is...
Why in the world would you have to PAY for it?
You can find a 300lbs woman that would be willing to sit on you for free I would hope...
Daaammmnnn!! 300 lbs? My head would be roadkill or a flat pizza pie with that and I would suffocate under all that blubber. At least if a skinny Eastern European chick sits on my face, there is room to breathe because there is no blubber to cover your nose (where air supposed to come in while you're dining at the Y. These paople must have a "fattish" or must be hip hopper that like "thick" women to have this fat sumo chick sit on them.
If I had a fattish, I would go to Spanish Harlem where 90% of them eat MsDonalds and weigh over 200 pounds. There are plenty of fat chicks (all races) there. Or I would go to Texas where there is all white fat chicks. If you want fat Asian chicks, go to Chinatown Manhattan or Brooklyn. I avoid New York City Asian chicks because most of them are from Hong Kong or Shanghai- the bitchiest of all Chinese women! They DO act like needy bitches that their mangina boyfriends put up with (hate to say this but this includes my mother who was from Hong Kong and she was abusive but does warn me against marrying an AW). Yes, HK DOES have McDonalds' and they DO cook with the same artificial veggie oil as the Americans (unlike the European pig oil which is more digestable) and yes, it does stick to their hips and there is much more obesity in HK than the rest of China. They also have the AW attitude to boot!! (unlike the European pig oil which is more digestable). They midas well move to Japan and enter Sumo tournaments because these things they call ladies have the form of a beachball. My wicked aunt from Hong Kong also is much meaner than my mother and also have the beachball figure at 4 feet tall weighing 200 pounds! She manipulates my biological uncle using the arm petting to do her bidding!! She is like," Billy,(pet pet) buy me this jewelry and bracelet" Uncle Bill responds, "Uh, okay dear" and buys her the jewelry. By the way, NO SEX until marriage!! Just like the AWs! Avoid HK and any strong Asian Women! Japanese women are the exception because Japan is more traditional than HK China. Other girls from other parts of China that are NOT Westernized are okay to date and marry.
Young at heart: toothless old crone
Happy: the anti-depressants have kicked in
Educated: took one Women's Studies course, so knows that men are the cause of all the world's evils
Wise: embittered
Good listener: comatose
Gentle: during sex, lies like a corpse
Full figured, average size, height-weight proportionate, thick,
Healthy: fat, fat, fat, fat & fat!!!
Whom She's Seeking:
Man of means, financially secure, successful: makes over $300k
Kind: obediant
Family-oriented: Will instantly love/nurture/provide for my 5 kids
Re internet dating sites: in the US I've totally struck out, they were all fat or ugly or scary. On Japanese sites I've met some total babes who were great for friendship and/or sex. Of course by Japan standards they'd be considered only average-looking, which is fine by me.
Chocha Monger
12-13-05, 09:47
At 36 years old I'm asking myself do I support someone and play the game knowing Im getting laid for support or just have endless girlfriends which would be great at first but then eventually I'd wind up with a shallow life of meaningless relationships which in the end wouldn''t serve me or anyone else.I'd just be adding to the dillema between the sexes.
Hmm... would getting laid occasionally by a fat sow in return for supporting her and her offspring be more meaningful than a lifetime of banging hot chicks? Typical AW propaganda would have you believe that any man over 30 yrs of age who hasn't committed to marriage and child rearing leads a meaningless existance and contributes to strife between the sexes. However, the only strife that such a man brings to American women is a profound sense of frustration, they are frustrated because you refuse to make your money available to them and you refuse to spend the rest of your life serving an aging increasingly unattractive woman.
You have the right to pursue happiness and if that means an endless stream of beautiful young women through your bedroom then you don't have to give up your liberty to do so for some imaginery greater good. Women would eat your ass alive if they feel that it would serve their purposes. How many women actually ask men if they want to become fathers before deciding to get pregnant? Many guys have to change their goals and plans in life because their wife/girlfriend decided to have a baby without consulting them first. Of course, unintentional pregnancies do occur but many times women make unilateral decisions to become pregnant via deceitful means for unscrupulous purposes.
A divorce and kids you hardly ever get to see will not make your life any more meaningful, neither will memories of a nagging wife or kids who turned out to be total disappointments. Whatever you decide to do with your life in the end all that you'll have left are memories, better make them real damn good ones.
I know of a case where this divorced guy went out and married a fat AW for a second time. His new wife wanted kids even though he had told her before the marriage that he had a vasectomy and she said that it was okay if they couldn't have kids. She pressured this poor bastard into having a reversal. Can you imagine the horror of submitting your balls to the knife for a second time? Anyway, apparently the procedure was not successful and not surprisingly the marriage headed south. She recently cheated on him and it appears that a divorce is coming soon. Now this guy is still paying alimony and child support for two kids from his previous marriage. I guess some guys just need to feel needed no matter what the cost. It's a tragic way to go through life.
Frankypanky
12-13-05, 17:53
Guys,
I am from Holland, so no experience with AW's...but how about Oprah Winfrey??
That stupid thing about men being no good at all. And complaining that women do not get enough respect!! Forgive me for being (possible) naieve, but that is not commom for AW I hope??
But I must agree that women in the the socalled civillised West, are very single minded. Unfortunally in Holland too. We don't call our women 'refrigerators' for nothing...
Sumimazen,
Refrigerators........I heard that! Bad attitudes all round..... everywhere you turn the sickness is spreading. I think Oprah is one of the symptoms, if not a contributing factor to this situation.
The overall theme of her show is that men are bad guys and women are victims. Of course, one might observe that this was pretty much her life's experience before she became a "success".
Rock
Yes, so true, except that AW are no longer "victims", they are "survivors"! This way, they can mythologize themselves into being something heroic. Yes, they are so so so oppressed, never mind the life they'd be leading in some backwater country in Africa.
Frankypanky
12-14-05, 22:10
Sumimazen,
Refrigerators........I heard that! Bad attitudes all round..... everywhere you turn the sickness is spreading. I think Oprah is one of the symptoms, if not a contributing factor to this situation.
The overall theme of her show is that men are bad guys and women are victims. Of course, one might observe that this was pretty much her life's experience before she became a "success".
Rock
Strange enough, successfull men like Tom Cruise, Jamie Foxx or that rich guy (whom was looking for a lady for a trip around the world) are not a problem?? So famous men are better...$$$$...If you call a woman a wh*re because of that, you'r in big trouble.
You know, what would Oprah Winfrey say if I would compair her behaviour (& show) with the far-right "Whit Power"-organisation (Arian something) ???
Look, I am not saying that woman sould obey us. Off course, I would support woman to fullfil their goals, but show us men some respect too!!!
In a Shift, Anti-Prostitution Effort Targets Pimps and Johns
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/14/AR2005121402539_pf.html
Excerpt:
A national campaign against prostitution has intensified in political, nonprofit and law enforcement circles, so much so that yesterday the House unanimously passed novel legislation, with the Senate expected to follow.
In the past, police sweeps have focused on the women. The new federal law would grant state and local law enforcement agencies funds to investigate and prosecute the men -- brothel owners and pimps. It would also target for arrest customers like the one at Kim's parlor lurching toward a girl in a bikini.
Behind the scenes, an unlikely coalition of evangelicals, feminists, liberal activists and conservative human rights advocates are pushing the issue. They are trying to reframe the way people talk about prostitutes, calling them "survivors" and signing off e-mails with the slogan "Abolition!"
CBGBConnisur
12-15-05, 14:25
Well I live in Oz, despite the media's twisting of the events on Cronulla, this is an open and welcoming society accepting of many different people. Yes we do have perfectly legal prositution and brothels, which were once a very good bargain when the US dollar was strong.
I'm not at all surprised by the disturbing alliance of feminists, right wing religious wackos, and mainstream liberals against mongers. The US is at its heart afraid of any and all sexuality. The same coalition is out to stamp out porn.
Found this on CL and thought I'd post here.
BBW = fat
Voluptuous = fat
Curvy = fat
Curvaceous = fat
Thick = fat
Rubenesque = fat
Womanly = fat
Gives bra size only? = fat
Busty = either saggy or fat
Naturally busty = saggy and fat
Real woman = saggy, fat and ugly
Slim = no boobs
Svelte = no boobs
Slender = no boobs
Dancer's body = no boobs
Bombshell = fake boobs
Baywatch = fake boobs
Playboy = fake boobs
Model = fake boobs
Brazilian = black
Caramel = black
Chocolate = black
Cuban = black
Ebony = black
Egyptian = black
Ethiopian = black
Exotic = black
Hawaiian = black
Mocha = black
Mulatto = black
Nubian = black
Mixed = black
Mature = old
Courtesan = old
Gracious = old
Refined = old
Elegant = old
Classic = old
Age = generally add a few years, here are some frequent exceptions:
College Student = late 20's
Just turned 18 = mid 20's
19 = possible jailbait
21 = late 20's
28 = late 30's
Intelligent = brunette
Sorority Girl = blonde
Selective = overpriced
Exclusive = very overpriced
Classy = can't afford lingerie
Freaky = doesn't shower between clients
Upscale = snooty personality
All American = trailer trash
Princess = I have an attitude problem
Las Vegas = Bellagio prices, Motel 6 service
coed = plain looking with acne problem
girl next door = looks like the boy next door
Goddess = If you believe this is me in the pictures...
Real Doll = Bubba brings you an inflatable doll, no refunds
Energetic = methamphetamine addict
Down to earth = boring
College graduate = sleeps with professors
open minded = openly accepts tips
New to business = changed name
New to area = changed name and moved across town
Up to an hour = 1 shot and she's gone.
Discreet = I check your ID
Discrete = I can't spell
Advance notice required = you'll never get a hold of me
Seeks generous gentleman = robs the elderly
Seeks generous businessmen = robs out-of-towners
Once in a lifetime experience = you won't repeat
I love what I do = I'm desperate for clients.
Satisfaction guaranteed = I guarantee I'm getting your money
Available 24/7 = my pimp never sleeps
What an ad DOESN'T say, is also a source of information. Unless specified, you can assume:
hair color = brown
hair length = to shoulder
eye color = brown
age = mature
height = short
weight = heavy
cup size = small
measurements = large
BE FOREWARNED!!
Cebu Local
12-18-05, 04:37
I was just watching a documentary on National Geographic Channel about this couple from Rio Grande in Southern Texas,The couple were both chemists working for Chevron earning good salaries at Chevron in Alaska.But the guy suddenly decided his passion was more into protecting endangered plants species of Southern Texas.So They moved back to Texas,With both of them quitting their high paying jobs,She took a job a in Houston to support him,while he was hundreds of miles away setting up a nursery to protect endangered species.She supported him for 6 years until the nursery was on its feet.Folks there are still good American women out there,unfortunately they tend to come from the rural areas,where there are traditional values,such as standing by your man
Chocha Monger
12-18-05, 06:51
Cebu Local,
I'm sure that there are a few diamonds in the rough to be found in the forgotten parts of the US, I don't doubt it at all. However, that is an awful lot of rough to sift through in the hopes of finding that one diamond. Many prospectors spend lifetimes and fortunes in search of that one gem only to die sad lonely paupers. I think most guys would say that it's pure madness to go on such a quest in this country these days. Many a love struck fool have met their end in these wastelands mistaking glass for diamonds.
On another note, the AWs are acting very very friendly these days and I'm sure it's not because my cock has grown a few more inches. This cycle repeats itself each year, Christmas comes around and the single girls start trying to snag a boyfriend before 25th December and 1st January. I noticed the trend a few years ago and figured out that AWs were trying to get someone to buy them presents and to spend on all those expensive holiday parties. These *****s hold nothing sacred! One waitress was extra friendly today, she must have asked me if I needed anything else about 20 times during the course of my meal. I almost wanted to tell her to get the hell away and let me eat in peace, instead I gave her a generous tip due to being in shock at actually receiving some good service for a change. Under other circumstances I might have even been tempted to ask for her number, however I already had a ticket booked for friendlier shores during the holidays so there was no way I was going to fall for that. Isn't it strange how a pending or past trip to a hospitable destination can sharpen one's abilities to see right through AWs and their bullshit attempts to pull your cock with one hand while slyly slipping your wallet out of your pocket with the other?
If you guys pay attention you will notice what I'm talking about, then note the abrupt change back to cold bitchiness on 02 Jan 06. Oh well, I'll leave the gift giving, cover charge paying and drink buying to my fellow American men who insist in pissing their money in the wind with women who wouldn't give anything in return.
David Friedma
12-18-05, 09:55
Daaammmnnn!! 300 lbs? My head would be roadkill or a flat pizza pie with that and I would suffocate under all that blubber. At least if a skinny Eastern European chick sits on my face, there is room to breathe because there is no blubber to cover your nose (where air supposed to come in while you're dining at the Y. These paople must have a "fattish" or must be hip hopper that like "thick" women to have this fat sumo chick sit on them.
If I had a fattish, I would go to Spanish Harlem where 90% of them eat MsDonalds and weigh over 200 pounds. There are plenty of fat chicks (all races) there. Or I would go to Texas where there is all white fat chicks. If you want fat Asian chicks, go to Chinatown Manhattan or Brooklyn. I avoid New York City Asian chicks because most of them are from Hong Kong or Shanghai- the bitchiest of all Chinese women! They DO act like needy bitches that their mangina boyfriends put up with (hate to say this but this includes my mother who was from Hong Kong and she was abusive but does warn me against marrying an AW). Yes, HK DOES have McDonalds' and they DO cook with the same artificial veggie oil as the Americans (unlike the European pig oil which is more digestable) and yes, it does stick to their hips and there is much more obesity in HK than the rest of China. They also have the AW attitude to boot!! (unlike the European pig oil which is more digestable). They midas well move to Japan and enter Sumo tournaments because these things they call ladies have the form of a beachball. My wicked aunt from Hong Kong also is much meaner than my mother and also have the beachball figure at 4 feet tall weighing 200 pounds! She manipulates my biological uncle using the arm petting to do her bidding!! She is like," Billy,(pet pet) buy me this jewelry and bracelet" Uncle Bill responds, "Uh, okay dear" and buys her the jewelry. By the way, NO SEX until marriage!! Just like the AWs! Avoid HK and any strong Asian Women! Japanese women are the exception because Japan is more traditional than HK China. Other girls from other parts of China that are NOT Westernized are okay to date and marry.Mr. Darkseid,
I am a 58-year old Jewish man from NYC, currently living in Costa Mesa, California. I've studied extensively at More University, located in an enclave of sex-positive individuals near San Francisco. I've learned many advanced sex techniques and have put them into practice whenever possible. In fact, many women have told me that I was the best lover they've ever had. In addition, I've perfected a number of personal magnetism techniques that cause women to be drawn to me like moths to a flame, and experience hightened sensations of infatuation and desire towards me that they are often unable to control. I don't mean to brag here; rather, I want to share the knowledge that I have been given in hopes that it can help others, and perhaps you as well.
I'm fortunate that I have had the opportunity to travel all over the world. As a young man, I was a member of the Israeli army and was involved in the Six Day War in 1967. Later, after I completed my studies at More University, I continued my travels to far-off, exotic locations where I left dozens of well-satiated women in my wake. I have been to Montreal, Thailand, Brazil, and most recently, Germany. In fact, I met my current love at an FKK club located in a small town near Bonn. She goes by the name of "Mina," and she is a tall, slender 20-year old sweetie with a great smile from the former East Germany. She is insatiable in bed and really enjoys swallowing my fluids. I was able to convince her to stop using the red hair dye and stick with her natural color. Just recently, she flew in from Germany to spend the winter with me.
Darkseid, you need to learn how to lie to these women and get them to believe what you want them to believe. You also need to learn to play the angles as you find them. For example, some guy sent her a package with a stuffed animal, money, and a card. I was able to convince her that the package came from me, and that, combined with the personal magnetism techniques I have perfected, caused her to melt. The end result: she is spending her vacation here with me in Cali. I was lucky in the sense that the package got wet enroute to the club, due to the weather, and the name of the guy who sent it to her had gotten smudged.
My point here is that a lot of honey and cream poured down a woman's throat at just the right time will always get you where you want to go. You may be short. That doesn't matter, as long as you project a sense of male power and dominance in a woman's mind. She will then have no choice but to follow you.
I suggest you try the same thing in NYC. First, it's about believing in yourself. Keep telling yourself that you are indeed the man you want to be, and you will invariably become that man. It's that simple.
Second, it's about being at the right place at the right time. Observe all those poor schmucks out there as they fumble and stumble in their quest to impress the opposite sex. Let them do all of your work for you. Then, when they get careless, swoop in and take control of the situation, like I did with the package. Remember: always be the swooper. Never get swooped.
Put these two concepts into play and you can't help but be successful.
Astor Bryan,
Don't go to Thailand's garden of Eden. Back in the US, you kill yourself.
This AW dialogue reminds me of that hillbilly joke of a couple Brittney Spears & Kevin Federline. While I'm no fan of hers, at least she's made her own fortune on her, um, "talents" & hard work. But people mercilessly make fun of hubby as a layabout, freeloader, & n'er do well. If the shoe were on the other foot, were he the success & she the couch mushroom, no one would raise an eyebrow. Why? Because that's the natural order of things, what is expected.
CBGBConnisur
12-18-05, 22:14
You can find some nice American women, but your chances are as good as wining the lottery, very slim. Guys who get the "Right" woman in the States, usually have a lot of the green stuff, money.
A Haitian friend of mine lost his job because an AW screamed sexual harassment. She claimed he said something about wanting to bang her in the !@#. Now this guy is religious, nice guy, just got married, started working here in the US from the countryside in Haiti, but is very naive. I had to knowledge him on a couple of things. The AW is ghetto trash from one of the five boroughs. Enough said.
In the building I work in new security procedures have been instituted on a certain elevator bank due to a bike messenger getting off on the wrong floor and scaring some of the women by asking for directions in an aggressive tone of voice. No doubt his company was notified. (have seen this happen already)
Another guy I know got reprimanded for allegedly looking at a AW funny, it was her first day on the job and she complained about him, so he got chastised.
CBGBConnisur
12-19-05, 18:03
That is so funny, I can't believe how screwed up the scene in the USA is these days. At least in Sydney I can go to a nice gentlemen's club and get release for a hundred bucks.
Member #4351
12-19-05, 19:31
Mike12
That is why I love living here in Peru. When I interview a girl for a job I can ask her to stand up and turn around. I can put "attractive" in the want ad. I can tell my secretaries that they:
a. Look nice
b. Look sexy
c. Look like their boobs have grown
etc., without getting sued.
Doctor_Skank
12-19-05, 19:43
From a male point of view it's great to be able to tell women you are fond of them, find them attractive or whatever. I also do it all the time. I like to think I do it in a way that women don't find offensive and in most cases, actually enjoy.
But I have also made the occassional compliment or even advance that obviously was unwanted. I backed off.
As a woman, being harassed by guys you neither like or whose harassment embarasses you or makes you feel uncomfortable must really suck. Put yourself in their position.
Would you want some fat AW pig flirting with you all the time, in front of your friends?
Or what about a married women hitting on you, when you know everybody else knows she's married?
Or your direct superior, who has power over you? Or a teacher who controls your grades?
What if your job depended on not resisting her unwanted advances?
Sure I am hypocritical because I enjoy a world where men can flirt with women and not really fear any negative effects beyond a simple rebuke... but even I can tell when a woman doesnt like it and I stop.
Lots of guys can't or dont want to tell the difference. And don't stop.
There are many cultures around the world where this kind of flirtation, if not exaggerated, is even welcomed by the women. Its just a matter of tact, charisma and timing and the ability to stop at the right time. Unfortunately a lot of guys have none of that.
Ask any girl who works in the service industry about what kind of shit they have to deal with everyday. It'll shock you. Living in Europe, girls working as waitresses get hassled all the time... and no, they don't enjoy it at all.
AW women may be evil in many ways and certainly America's exaggerated anti-harassment laws go too far, but malicious sexual harassment of women is just wrong, period.
CBGBConnisur
12-19-05, 21:00
Your friend should file a countersuit, on racial discrimination. I have noticed that feminists are often very racist as well. Land of the "free", only for feminist females. The poster from the Netherlands shouldn't worry, at least there are hordes of EE women running around Germany and Benelux. I am glad I don't live in the USA.
Sinanju Master
12-19-05, 21:36
I used to work in a fast food restaurant a long time ago in a galaxy far, far way. Once, during the morning rush, a co-worker (a bulldyke whom I found more resembling a man than woman) palmed my ass like LeBron James would palm a basketball. I was shocked and put off (naturally 'cos I found her unattractive and overly aggressive) and let my boss know about it, in order to take it through the proper channels. Another coworker at the same restaurant (not dykish, but still unattractive) literally hung on me before the start of the morning rush and I uncomfortably, slowly squirmed away from her. A few years before the aformentioned incidents, ANOTHER fugly AW attempted to BLACKMAIL me into having sex with her (I hadn't popped my cherry yet) and I freaked! Thankfully, she eventually backed off. Whenever I hear about the PERCEIVED harrassment of American Bitches by ANY MAN, I wanna laff out loud IN THEIR FACES! It's not a one-way street, you fucking cows! So, STOP playing the helpless victim... that role is old and tired and PLAYED OUT!
Sorry for the rant my bretheren (and I wasn't at all directing it to you, Doc Skank), but I wanted to shed some light on this overused sacred cow by the castration-loving feminazis.
Doctor_Skank
12-19-05, 21:49
That's scary stuff Sinanju Master... :)
In all fairness though, even if its a two way street, most of the traffic is on one side.
I really just felt sorry for the girls I knew working in the service industry always getting harassed, especially late at night.
Sinanju Master
12-21-05, 03:52
If the situation is where a guy is holding a woman's career over her head, he has the power to ruin it, and he presses on, sure, it's wrong. If it's where a woman is asked out and the "offender" made his request in a manner that wasn't disrespectful, THEN I have a huge problem with it when said female decides to report the poor schmoe for sexual harrassment simply because she CAN. Back in September '97, I was training for a job and my trainer was an attractive woman from New York (Darkseid, are you paying attention?). I asked her VERBATIM: "If you're in the DC area, maybe we could play some pool if you want". Within the next few minutes, our supervisor comes out to me and tells me that my trainer had reported me for sexual harrassment!! While my supervisor is grilling me on why I SHOULDN'T have done what I did, I was in another world wondering what in the Hell I did that warranted being drawn and quartered like that. When she came back on the floor to resume my training, I was so disgusted with her that I didn't even acknowledge her presence. I have NO FUCKING SYMPATHY for bitches that go on a power trip like that.
About 12 years ago, I had some socially inept, but very innocent puppydoggish behaviour result in me having to endure a sexual harassment witchhunt. I was interrogated by an HR exec for almost two hours, and then humiliated as friends and co-workers (including one that I had a very big crush on....she, a good girl, actually helped get me out of trouble), were called in as witnesses. I was eventually completely exonerated, but get this, still written up and cautioned that upon even the report of another incident, I would be dismissed without investigation......kind of interesting, in that it was discovered that I hadn't actually done anything really wrong.
I've said this before-Sexual Harassment is the ultimate multi purpose ***** weapon. Drew Carey and Brad Pitt can do the exact same thing, and a woman will choose to perecute only Drew. The problem isn't the action....if it were, then Brad would be in trouble. De Facto, Sexual Harassment laws and policies make it possible for a woman to persecute a guy for not being someone she considers attractive (Hello arbitrary, and whim driven), and having the temerity to try and have a relationship with her.
I find it interesting that all kinds of obnoxious behaviour is acceptable in the workplace. One can be bitchy, moody, intrusive, nosy, megalomanical, arrogant, loud, egocentric,.....however, should one be SEXUALLY obnoxious, our culture has deigned that you are subject to dismissal and civil penalty. Why is it that SEX is given special treatment. Could it be that we are a country of regressive puritanical assholes?
Also, as my buddy Sin, I have, over the years, been the recipient of aggressive obnoxious unwanted sexual advances, mostly from fugly girls, but also from a male bi-sexual boss at a shitty job that I wasn't in a position to lose at the time. In all cases, I IGNORED IT, and eventually, the problem went away. And GUESS WHAT...............I didn't suffer any permenant damage from doing so.
If the situation is where a guy is holding a woman's career over her head, he has the power to ruin it, and he presses on, sure, it's wrong. If it's where a woman is asked out and the "offender" made his request in a manner that wasn't disrespectful, THEN I have a huge problem with it when said female decides to report the poor schmoe for sexual harrassment simply because she CAN. Back in September '97, I was training for a job and my trainer was an attractive woman from New York (Darkseid, are you paying attention?). I asked her VERBATIM: "If you're in the DC area, maybe we could play some pool if you want". Within the next few minutes, our supervisor comes out to me and tells me that my trainer had reported me for sexual harrassment!! While my supervisor is grilling me on why I SHOULDN'T have done what I did, I was in another world wondering what in the Hell I did that warranted being drawn and quartered like that. When she came back on the floor to resume my training, I was so disgusted with her that I didn't even acknowledge her presence. I have NO FUCKING SYMPATHY for bitches that go on a power trip like that.
Sin, that's a really scary situation. Also sometimes a woman in power may "test" you by asking you out then if you accept, she can report you for sexual harrassment and the burden of proof today is no longer on the woman reporting it but it is now on the man. My friend left a job in New York and is now doing contracting work because this power trip witch was really on top of him just for being a man! She constantly tested him by making advancing on him on a weekly basis then when he accepted after the 5th time being asked by his boss, he was lectured by her about sexual harrassment. Confused, he argued with her telling her it was SHE that kept asking HIM out. After more tests, he left the job. Now he is traveling the country doing contracting work.
I saved this letter-to-the-editor back in '02. Interestingly, it was submitted by a woman.
"This was included in one of my papers written on teaching using the Socratic method.
Instructor: OK, we were talking about sexual harassment laws in the workplace. So, tell me, why do women wear makeup to work?
Student: Because we want to look good.
Instructor: Why do we want to look good? Do we want men to pay attention to us?
Student: Of course... to a point.
Instructor: Wait a minute, isn't this a contradiction? Why do we have workplace sexual harassment laws if we are encouraging men's attention?
Student: To keep men from getting carried away and behaving in ways we don't want.
Instructor: Oh, I see, sexual harassment laws are women's way of letting men know what type and amount of attention is acceptable to us. In other words, sexual harassment laws are a way of letting men know women maintain control.
Students: Wait a minute!
Instructor: OK, fair enough, think about what was just said and tell me where my conclusion was wrong ...."
my friend who is a professor at a west coast us univ. was the object of a sex discrimination witchhunt. it all stemmed from a simple conflict & power struggle with a woman professor. the conflict & disagreements had nothing to do with gender, but this b****made it out to be the case! so he was relentlessly pursued, considered guilty until proven innocent, but so many came to his defense (other women professors) that he was able to beat the rap after much time & anguish. and no, he wasn't even her boss; they were peers.
long ago i worked in a record store. there was an anonymous customer complaint that i had "sexually harrassed" her. she claimed i had given her a "knowing look"! huh? what does that even mean? i couldn't even confront my accuser.
there was a us senator who was forced to resign out of sex harrassment. he was groping chicks while standing on their feet so they couldn't escape. pretty creepy. he threatened them ("you'll never work again") if he thought they would tell. but you know what? had he been handsome, suave, charming, smooth, and debonair, and had just laughed it off when they rejected him, we would've gotten away with it with no scandal. but because he was reptilian and tried to cover it up with intimidation, he was taken down.
my point is that sex harrassment & discrimination are real. but it gets called far too often at the drop of a hat, thus devaluating and making meaningless the true instances of it.
Chocha Monger
12-29-05, 15:36
The following are all replies that Dallas women have written on Child Support Agency forms in the section for listing father's details. These are genuine excerpts from the forms. Scary to think these women are breeding ..
1. Regarding the identity of the father of my twins, child A was fathered by Jim Munson. I am unsure to the identity of the father of child B, but I believe that he was conceived on the same night.
2. I am unsure as to the identity of the father of my child as I was being sick out of a window when taken unexpectedly from behind. I can provide you with a list of names of men that I think were at the party, if this helps.
3. I do not know the name of the father of my little girl. She was conceived at a party at 3600 Grand Avenue where I had unprotected sex with a man I met that night. I do remember that the sex was so good that I fainted. If you manage to track down the father, can you send me his phone number? Thanks.
4. I don't know the identity of the father of my daughter. He drives a BMW that now has a hole made by my stiletto on one of the door panels. Perhaps you can contact BMW service stations in this area and see if he had it replaced.
5. I have never had sex with a man. I am awaiting a letter from the Pope confirming that my son's conception was immaculate and that he is Christ risen again.
6. I cannot tell you the name of child A's dad as he informs me that to do so would blow his cover and that would have cataclysmic implications for the economy. I am torn between doing right by you and right by the country. Please advise.
7. I do not know who the father of my child was, as all blacks look the same to me.
8. Peter Smith is the father of child A. If you do catch up with him, can you ask him what he did with my Alan Jackson CDs?
9. From the dates it seems that my daughter was conceived at Disney World; maybe it really is the Magic Kingdom.
10. So much about that night is a blur. The only thing that I remember for sure is Delia Smith did a program about eggs earlier in the evening. If I'd have stayed in and watched more TV rather than going to the party at 146 Miller Drive, mine might have remained unfertilized.
11. I am unsure as to the identity of the father of my baby, after all, when you eat a can of beans you can't be sure which one made you fart.
While I know there are women like that out there, I highly doubt these are "geniune" forms they have filled out. It's internet folklore.
Besides, I reserve just as much ire & contempt for men who have six kids by six different women to whom they offer no support.
Sinanju Master
12-29-05, 23:37
CM
That reminds me of a showing of the Maury Povich Show I saw today at work(which I now feel has degenerated into a Jerry Springer-esque like copy). It was about some skank hooking up with a thug, doing the nasty, and then coming onto the show to stake her claim (paternity) to this dirtbag badboy. He claimed up and down it wasn't his and DNA evidence supported his claim. She made a total and utter fool of herself by having the audacity to refute the evidence, KNOWING she had slept around a lot. I am at a total loss when "conventional wisdom" says that women are the smarter of the two sexes, and then I see and hear shit like THIS! With boneheaded logic like that, I hope I've LONG since turned to dust if a woman becomes PRESIDENT! Whenever I hear a woman say that she's a good judge of character, I want to inerject and tell her that she just hasn't been tested properly. What scares me is that dipshit bitches like this will eventually snooker a guy into getting married and then lay claim to all that is his, employ double standards and ruin his life for the REST of his life.
DJ FourMoney
12-30-05, 07:53
CM
That reminds me of a showing of the Maury Povich Show I saw today at work(which I now feel has degenerated into a Jerry Springer-esque like copy). It was about some skank hooking up with a thug, doing the nasty, and then coming onto the show to stake her claim (paternity) to this dirtbag badboy. He claimed up and down it wasn't his and DNA evidence supported his claim. She made a total and utter fool of herself by having the audacity to refute the evidence, KNOWING she had slept around a lot. I am at a total loss when "conventional wisdom" says that women are the smarter of the two sexes, and then I see and hear shit like THIS! With boneheaded logic like that, I hope I've LONG since turned to dust if a woman becomes PRESIDENT! Whenever I hear a woman say that she's a good judge of character, I want to inerject and tell her that she just hasn't been tested properly. What scares me is that dipshit bitches like this will eventually snooker a guy into getting married and then lay claim to all that is his, employ double standards and ruin his life for the REST of his life.
Those show has really lost it. Its like they do a show like this every week or couple of times a week between the "Is this a Man or a Woman" Guest who's a TS show.
Judging by some of the dumb things women do, how could somebody even say they are the smarter of the two sexes?
Shadow Lance
12-30-05, 09:44
For several years I was a HR Director for a fast growing tech company. During this period I handled 6 accusations by women employees claiming that they were "victums" of sexual harrassment by male co-workers.
After thorough and thoughtfull investigations, in each case the woman were either lying or mistaken--in each case however, I had to personally conclude (ie this view was not stated, even casually to trusted co-workers) that EACH of these woman were PSYCHO.
In the most blatant case, after being terminated for ample cause, one of our CEO's Administrative Assistants (it is sexually discriminatory to call them secretaries) indicated to me in her termination interview that she believed she was being terminated because she would not service the CEO sexually (a blatant lie) and by the way, she thought after all of her "dedicated" service to the company (i.e. being the bitchy back-stabing gatekeeper to signer of all paychecks) only getting 2 weeks severance in lieu of notice was terribly unfair.
Yes guys, I know its hard to believe, but this American Woman, used the spector of a sexual harrassment lawsuit in order to Extort money from the company in the form of increased serverance. She succeeded. We were in the process of comming out with our IPO and it was much easier to give her an extra 6K to get rid of her than to have to deal with the PR ramifications as a company must disclose all of its litigation to the street during an IPO. Magically, when she had the check in hand the sexual harrassment ceased to have existed.
(The funny thing about this to me was that the silly twit could have gotten alot more. Her mistake was not naming a figure. Since she did not do so, I recommended 6K to our CEO as I thought this would make her happy, which it did. The fact is she could have asked for 3 or 4 times that amount and would have gotten it without a blink as our CEO really didn't want that kind of problem at that time. Moreover, she could have demanded that her all her stock options vest upon termination instead of losing them all due to not meeting the length of service requirements under the general plan. These options would have been worth HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS to her in a couple of years!)
Being an HR Director in corporate America was very educational. I can tell you that with out a doubt a male in the corporate jungle is definately a second class citizen as the most innocent of behaviors (not to mention outright fabrications) can be intererperated by a female to have sexual overtones if she so chooses and have dire consequences to a guy's employement. We have developed as a society a rather Soviet style environment. Most women in the work place are wonderfull poeple to work with and will NEVER accuse a man without there being a real offense.
But the truly vicious minority, as well as the not quite bright or emotionally unbalanced, can use the current system to bring down any man they don't like or to extort for some particular benefit, and in my experience the vast majority of all accusations are patently invalid.
Glad I don't live in America anymore, people in the island paradise where I now reside wonder why I would leave the most "exciting" city in the world to be in the South Pacific. They don't have a clue. Without any real emotional or personal attachments in the States, there is little reason for me to return. I wouldn't listen to any Australian who thinks negatively of his country, he is the luckiest bastard on the planet to live in such a place.
Isn't Australia becoming more like the US these days?
CBGBConnisur
01-02-06, 17:13
They still have legal brothels, an average of four weeks off a year for those who work a full time job, so I can actually visit other places. 300+ days of sun a year and clear blue beaches are another plus. You need a good month off to really meet a foriegn woman. Its almost impossible to do this with two measly weeks off that most US workers get, it doesn't apply to the CEOs who often go away for a month. True there are some similarites to the US but its still a more easy going place to live.
DJ FourMoney
01-05-06, 10:29
Cali has GDP and larger state budget than some countries.
As much has people have tried to make their money and give nothing back, there's still money to be generated here if your desire is enough and your at the right place at the right time.
We do have the best univ system top to bottom, 3 of the safest cities in the country (1 in LA County and 2 other in nearby Ventura County) and those are just some of the positives.
You can find your niche here and make it work. Just from reading some of the exPat web sites, it doesn't feel that secure to me, with most jobs being "white colar" or teaching English to those that want to learn.
We all know how many white colar jobs get eliminated every week in this country. If your an IT guy, have an MBA and are willing to work overseas, more power to you.
Yet, all trucking companies, big and small need drivers. Yeah its blue colar but you can generate over 70K in less than 10 years, be home everyday if you want, 99% of all loads are NO TOUCH (you don't unload it) and as long as consumers demand product NOW, trains are too slow and planes are too expensive. That leaves you PLETY of job security for the next 10-15 even 20 years, if not longer.
I mean even the training is short -
1 month, 2 weeks (learning how) and 2 more weeks on the road with a trainer (to make sure you don't wreck the thing and show good habits).
Name one job where you can come out of the gate making 30-35K a year in less than 60 days?
You'll make 50K inside of 5 years...
Save your money, own your own business, buy a new Volvo for $120,000 fully optioned out for an owner-operator. You can make at least 70-75K depending on the cargo. Depending how much of a social lepper you are, you can have only a mailing address and not a phyisical address, make your own food and save a TON of money.
I have a CDL so I know more than a little bit about it.
Thats just one of the examples somebody can do. Making alot of money isn't always tied to a college degree. But honestly I think AW drive alot of what men tend to pick for a career, thinking that will be one more positive thing for them to show ladies. I say the hoe should be lucky your even working considering alot of these women support complete bums.
I could most likely drive a truck anywhere in the world...
If you have to be in America, this is one of the better places to live, despite the expense.
CBGBConnisur
01-05-06, 18:20
California has a bigger GDP than Australia, still I think Australia has a better quality of life and living atmosphere, the level of pollution is much lower, even in larger places like Sydney. I can see Sydney clear as day when flying to LA, in LA all I see is smog.
An income of 300K+ would put you in the top five percent of incomes in the US. Most people who make that level of income are doctors, lawyers, dentists, business executives and owners. The average income for average workers has not increased by much. I was nearly dead broke in NYC, and now I am a homeowner in Oz, the big difference is that I own a business in Oz, the growth of the Asian countries has been helping me a lot as most of my clientele are coming from Asia, and I honestly don't see this winding down for a very long time.
That being said, expating is not for everyone, Australia is very US like in many ways, so it was an easy transition.
Traveler1234
01-05-06, 19:02
The following are all replies that Dallas women have written on Child Support Agency forms in the section for listing father's details. These are genuine excerpts from the forms. Scary to think these women are breeding ..
1. Regarding the identity of the father of my twins, child A was fathered by Jim Munson. I am unsure to the identity of the father of child B, but I believe that he was conceived on the same night.
2. I am unsure as to the identity of the father of my child as I was being sick out of a window when taken unexpectedly from behind. I can provide you with a list of names of men that I think were at the party, if this helps.
3. I do not know the name of the father of my little girl. She was conceived at a party at 3600 Grand Avenue where I had unprotected sex with a man I met that night. I do remember that the sex was so good that I fainted. If you manage to track down the father, can you send me his phone number? Thanks.
4. I don't know the identity of the father of my daughter. He drives a BMW that now has a hole made by my stiletto on one of the door panels. Perhaps you can contact BMW service stations in this area and see if he had it replaced.
5. I have never had sex with a man. I am awaiting a letter from the Pope confirming that my son's conception was immaculate and that he is Christ risen again.
6. I cannot tell you the name of child A's dad as he informs me that to do so would blow his cover and that would have cataclysmic implications for the economy. I am torn between doing right by you and right by the country. Please advise.
7. I do not know who the father of my child was, as all blacks look the same to me.
8. Peter Smith is the father of child A. If you do catch up with him, can you ask him what he did with my Alan Jackson CDs?
9. From the dates it seems that my daughter was conceived at Disney World; maybe it really is the Magic Kingdom.
10. So much about that night is a blur. The only thing that I remember for sure is Delia Smith did a program about eggs earlier in the evening. If I'd have stayed in and watched more TV rather than going to the party at 146 Miller Drive, mine might have remained unfertilized.
11. I am unsure as to the identity of the father of my baby, after all, when you eat a can of beans you can't be sure which one made you fart.
Absolutely classics!
Suave Gato
01-05-06, 22:55
Found this on a expat website, As some of you are and others (myself included)are thinking about it, thought you might be interested. There is even a mention of Aussies, for the benefit of CBGB.
What a jerk! Here I am, running around calling myself and my gringo friends expatriates for the last umpteen years, head high, even bragging about it at times, until I decided to look it up in the dictionary.
I have been going along with this game of being an “expat,” part of a select group of people who are usually considered daring, adventurous, bearing a foreign accent, apparently willing to put up with dodging moto taxis and black smoke, and at the same time relishing all the goodies Peru has to offer in the way of gourmet delights and casual living. The “others” even show sorrow for us occasionally: “Poor gringos, so far away from home; they must be homesick. We must make them feel at home!”
Much to my chagrin, I finally resorted to the dictionary, not one, but several, to see what an expatriate is. I was shocked! According to my heavy set of Oxford dictionaries I cherish, expatriate means to “drive a person away from his native country: BANISH. To withdraw from one's native country; to renounce one's allegiance to his country.” Miriam-Webster is a bit milder and more diplomatic: “to leave one's country to live elsewhere.” What a relief!
Is that what happened to all of you…driven away from little old Wisconsin, cold and miserable Saskatchewan, lovely Liverpool, or witch-crafted Salem, Massachusetts? Did you get a free one-way flight as your government banished you from your homeland and shipped you off to Peru?
I don't know about you, but I fall under the Miriam-Webster definition. “To leave one's country to live elsewhere.” How dare they accuse us of being driven away or having been banished from our native land! Not only that, but many of us banished individuals still pay taxes, hope to get retirement benefits, Medicare, Disneyland, Home Depot, and all that good stuff the homeland offers to the natives, including Homeland Security. Many of you people driven away from your native land still sneak back in once in a while to visit relatives, hit the shows, and languish on the latest fast food outlets, not to mention the between season bargains at K Mart (now under Chapter 11) and Lord & Taylor's. (Try the bathrooms… they are extremely clean!).
Once I got into this theme, I started nitpicking. The dictionary defines “ex” as going out, exiting, getting away from something. For many years, I was able to avoid the “ex” prefix. I used to enjoy being President, Member, General Manager, Director, etc. Now, they all refer to me as the ex-President, the ex-General Manager, the ex-Director, etc., which instead of instilling pride and provoking invitations, puts me into the “has been” category. “Oh yeah, he used to be the Director, etc.”
Now they want to make me an ex-patriot. I've gone out of my native land, I am no longer one of the normal folks that go by the Seven Eleven after church to buy the Sunday paper, and I am now some freak that wanted to get away from it all! It ain't fair! As far as an expatriate is concerned, my Microsoft Word corrector says there is no such a word, and that I should be using “patriot.” I have always considered myself a patriot; perhaps not a Ben Franklin or Patrick Henry, but hey, I was a Cub Scout, a Boy Scout, sang in the choir, sold magazine subscriptions for my class trip, marched in the 4th of July parades, rode around with a tiny American flag on my bike on holidays, and even served in the Marines, of all things! Talk about patriots, how patriotic do I have to get to avoid the term “expatriate.” I even put up with the natives calling me “gringo,” fortunately in a complimentary way, with affection.
Again I went back to my dictionaries and in Webster's it says, “PATRIOT is a fellow countryman; a lover, an amateur,” but clarifies that these definitions are now obsolete. Thank God! The valid definition appears to be “one who remains loyal to his country when occupied by the enemy; a member of a resistance group.” Well, now you know where we “ex-patriots” stand: we are no longer fellow countrymen, not even amateur lovers, nor are we loyal to our country when occupied by the enemy, and we no longer belong to a resistance group!
Only once was I insulted back in the days of Peruvian dictator Juan Velasco. I had just finished the Peruvian Independence Day march with Boy Scout Troop 55 of San Isidro in front of the Lima Sheraton Hotel and we were headed back to the bus. We crossed on the sidewalk with another troop known to be rather leftist from La Victoria, a rough blue-collar neighborhood, and one of their leaders exclaimed as he passed, “Gringo Go Home!” I almost retorted, but decided to swallow my pride. Otherwise, I have had a wonderful experience all these years outside of my native soil. Now I'm an expatriate!
With all the protesting going on nowadays, it may be the opportune moment to all get together and protest in front of the U.S. Embassy. “George, help us get the “ex” off of expatriate, we are your overseas ambassadors!” We must do something about this belittling title that makes us all look like a bunch of criminals shipped of to some country that was willing to put up with undesirables, like the British did with the first Australians. Now they call them Aussies, not expatriates.
Take the word “grin-go.” It's much easier to pronounce and is rather melodic. “Hola, Grin-go, como estás?” Now try, “Hola, expatriado, como estás?” What a difference! Now mind me, “gringo” is also a rather sensitive term. According to legend, gringo stemmed from slang term used by the Mexicans that used to cross the borders to labor in the fields and return home with their sweat-laden shirts (the wetbacks). They say the Mexicans heard their northern neighbors singing a song entitled, “Green Grow the Lilacs,” and hence “gringos.” Who knows?
In my years exporting Peruvian handicrafts, I had many rich experiences. One of my most popular items was a small hand weaving from Ayacucho made by a leading weaver. It depicted a flying ancient Paracas god with a staff in his hand featuring the U.S. stripes in the background, all in red, white, and blue, and below was written, “Gringo go Home.” At first I was a bit set back by it, but tourists who understood the culture used to come into my shop and buy me out. I took a few samples to New York once, and in Chinatown, of all places, a Chinaman wanted to place and order for 4,000 tapestries. I returned home elated to find my weaver could only put out 100 a month. As to the _expression, he didn't even know what “Gringo Go Home” meant. A Peace Corps volunteer had given him a sketch to weave a surprise gift for her husband and he had just copied her drawing.
Whatever the circumstances, I think we definitely have to look for a substitution for expatriate. Maybe we can have a contest for the best suggestion. How about the New England Patriots, Little Diplomats, Homelanders, Beautiful Misplaced People, Friends From Overseas, Inoffensive Immigrants, Temporary Invaders, Long Term Tourists, etc., etc.? Amen.
Smut Villain
01-06-06, 02:17
Cali has GDP and larger state budget than some countries.
As much has people have tried to make their money and give nothing back, there's still money to be generated here if your desire is enough and your at the right place at the right time.
We do have the best univ system top to bottom, 3 of the safest cities in the country (1 in LA County and 2 other in nearby Ventura County) and those are just some of the positives.
You can find your niche here and make it work. Just from reading some of the exPat web sites, it doesn't feel that secure to me, with most jobs being "white colar" or teaching English to those that want to learn.
We all know how many white colar jobs get eliminated every week in this country. If your an IT guy, have an MBA and are willing to work overseas, more power to you.
Yet, all trucking companies, big and small need drivers. Yeah its blue colar but you can generate over 70K in less than 10 years, be home everyday if you want, 99% of all loads are NO TOUCH (you don't unload it) and as long as consumers demand product NOW, trains are too slow and planes are too expensive. That leaves you PLETY of job security for the next 10-15 even 20 years, if not longer.
I mean even the training is short -
1 month, 2 weeks (learning how) and 2 more weeks on the road with a trainer (to make sure you don't wreck the thing and show good habits).
Name one job where you can come out of the gate making 30-35K a year in less than 60 days?
You'll make 50K inside of 5 years...
Save your money, own your own business, buy a new Volvo for $120,000 fully optioned out for an owner-operator. You can make at least 70-75K depending on the cargo. Depending how much of a social lepper you are, you can have only a mailing address and not a phyisical address, make your own food and save a TON of money.
I have a CDL so I know more than a little bit about it.
Thats just one of the examples somebody can do. Making alot of money isn't always tied to a college degree. But honestly I think AW drive alot of what men tend to pick for a career, thinking that will be one more positive thing for them to show ladies. I say the hoe should be lucky your even working considering alot of these women support complete bums.
I could most likely drive a truck anywhere in the world...
If you have to be in America, this is one of the better places to live, despite the expense.
DJFourMoney makes an excellent point. I don't have a CDL and have never driven a rig, but I've been looking at the industry for years now as a backup career (I'm presently an electronics technician). Much of what he says is true and verifiable; many owner-operator truckers can compare paychecks with some doctors and lawyers (even after the overhead). It's one of the few professions left where one doesn't need a college degree to pull down a decent salary. Sure, you might have to sacrifice a bit of your social life to make any real money, but how many white-collar professionals make any real money without spending 60+ hours a week at the office/on the job (answer: not many). Electronics isn't working out for me, so I may just have to make a move within the next couple of years.
CBGBConnisur
01-06-06, 03:31
Australia has a population roughly equal to Texas at 20 mil, and mostly concentrated in Sydney, roughly equal to 2 Houstons at 4 mil. If you want clean air, of course not LA, but we have Nebraska and Alaska, a lot closer than Sydney. The county around LA are the more desirable places to live.
Average 3 bedroom house in Orange County suburb is above 700K. Desirable house near town center can easily be over 1 mil. Go figure how many bad teeth can there be. Many doctors quit surgery, like OB's, as the insurance premium made it not worthwhile. The only way to make decent money is to get a good reputation, so that you don't need to accept patients using any health insurance policy. So you can charge whatever you like. And of course plastic surgeons make big money. Even rogue dentist try to be plastic surgeons.
The absolute figure isn't the main point. Say a lawyer from a good law school starts at 100K, a senior associate say 300K. Does a person with many years of experience worth only 3 newbies? Business is the word. If you developed a successful formula, owning one or 10 restaurants is about the same for your efforts. But you need opportunity. A rather unsuccessful big restaurant in OC has a revenue of 4 mil, while the target is 6 mil. Say if it's successful, you can drive 30 miles in any direction and think of starting another one. If not, LA, the states next door, or the East Coast. But if you have a 6 mil restaurant in Sydney, what's next?
25% Australian population are foreign born. Biggest group with Asian ancestry are Chinese at roughly 0.5 mil, or over 3% of the population, with the other Asians far behind. But many are Australian born. The biggest Asian foreign born are Vietnamese, with Chinese from PRC behind. The non Asian foreign born populations are sort of dying. The biggest group from UK are retirement or early retirement age.
So the recent Asian immigrants are mostly Vietnamese, while the total Viet population is less than 1%. So I don't think Australia is being flooded with Asian immigrants. While new immigrants from New Zealand are more than the Vietnamese. I would say that's a volatile situation. Like New Zealand could be abandoned and leave it to the sheep. Adding to that, the Australian nationalist movement are already talking about European culture genocide on their website. Or if not for the now history white Australian policy, they could have a nice head start and overtaking Canada.
The projection of population is still 20's mil in 2020 or even 2030, and Sydney is still less than 5 mil come 2020 or 2030. Canada is a rather liberal country welcoming immigrants. USA may successfully control the border and hence illegal immigration. Then they may ease their quota on Chinese and Indian immigrants for fairness and balance. All the Asian immigrants are thinking about business opportunities when they pick where to set up shop when they have money.
I have seen Asian professionals trying their luck in Australia for two years to get the citizenship. They leave after that. Banking, finance, building, there's just no place for them. Car dealership in Canada also sucks - probably again due to 30 mil people spreading all over.
If Australia is flooded with Asian immigrants, it's a mixed blessing. Look at South East Asia, the minority Chinese immigrants became the richer class. 30% in Malaysia, and they are so successful that by law you have to include a Malay business partner. The 1% Chinese in Indonesia are often hated and even slaughtered in riots as they control 90% of the economy. Nowadays if you want a top end piano in LA, you better drive to the North LA, where the Asian community stretches across LA from east end to west end. The top brands are there for a very good price. Well if you teach English that's different. But who couldn't teach English?
Most predictions say Australia wil grow to the 30 million mark in 2025. By then it might be the 51st US State, even further away than Hawaii(HI is actually closer to Australia than the US), I am not kidding. The Asians that seem to adjust well here are Chinese, Korean, Malaysian, and Indian, but the Vietnamese don't seem to do so well. My dentist is Indian.
Sinanju Master
01-06-06, 04:19
Making your "fortune" by driving a truck is a viable option IF you keep your nose to the grindstone. So is plumbing, if you have the fortitude to keep at it and build your own business. That produces the means for wealth management. However, look at it from the viewpoint of an AW; she can't brag to her g/f's about her b/f's (choose either aforementioned) profession. It would look like she is lowering her standards and you KNOW how competitive they are. Her b/f must be better (professional-wise and status-wise) than that of her friends. Can you imagine her in a conversation with her friends? "Hi Kelli! I saw you have a new b/f! What's he do for a living?". "Oh he drives a tractor trailer transporting chickens for Purdue Farms". Yeah... THAT would go over like a fart in church.... If a guy is a hard worker (at a less-than-glamorous job), knows the value of a dollar, has qualities that a mother hopes a daughter values, but DOESN'T look like Clooney or Pitt, count on being the last kid picked for a team on the playground.
CBGBConnisur
01-06-06, 04:40
An AW wants a boyfriend who is a doctor, lawyer, dentist, banker, corporate executive, internet entrepreuner, sports star, etc. at least the real good ones. Being a truck driver is not going to make an impression. I knew guys who were pulling over 250K a year in good managerial corporate jobs, they still had dogs for girlfriends. Jimmy D I got your point about LA restaurants, the restaurant industry is worth 500 Billion + in the US, easily beating out automobiles. From what I know, restaurants don't last long before they start going downhill. A Mc Donald's in any locale can gross 2 million a year plus, but you need that kind of money to buy a franchise. US style restaurant franchising is growing in Europe as well as Ozzie and Japan, I actually know an American who has opened a few Subway shops in Germany. I saw some kind of fast food outlet in Sydney that was grossing 50K+ a week.
Chocha Monger
01-06-06, 07:47
Alpine Prince:
Yes, many American men have been expatriated, banished, driven out of their native land by cold fat bitchy women with greedy snatching fingers. These ever burgeoning sex starved masses are driven to find new lands where they can escape the sting of post-divorce financial castration at the hands of rabid feminists. I'll will be joining these poor souls within the next 48 hrs in the hopes of forgetting my miserable existance in The Land of Plenty. A few weeks of orgasmic joy should blot out the list of reasons why I should remain in this perpetual rat race.
Sinanju Master:
I agree. Anyone trying to earn a living hauling chickens would be condemned to fucking said chickens or some really rough looking lot lizards at best. AW would rather fuck a starving med student than a truck driver making 100K/yr. It doesn't make much sense but that is just the way things are in this country. If someone wants to save up money to leave this country then haul them chickens by all means but that is all the pink meat that you'll be seeing unless you pay for it.
DJ FourMoney
01-06-06, 08:11
That is the only downer to driving trucks actually.
It really narrows down your pool of women to date from. That is what I have to investigate Europe, because in the past, that has never been an issue (what I did for a living). Its always up to some debate with an AW. Funny, but not even Canadian women generally have a problem with it.
Its the sense of status that women get from their husbands working a respectable position somewhere in the corp. world.
Its an utter joke...
If women wanted to be equal so bad, not when it suits them, they shouldn't worry about what their other half does for a living as long as it isn't dangerous or illegal. But there's plenty of women you day drug dealers, gangbangers and other "bad boy" types that could get them killed or jail time. Yeah they can't date me because I can't be in the bed every night.
If any of you are serious about driving let me know, I'll point you in the right direction. I have driven for the 2nd and 3rd largest carriers in the country.
Your not kidding about Mickey D's, its takes a fortune to make a fortune with McDonald's. There other (companies) you can get into for less, but you really have to be ready to work long and hard to own your own business.
DJ FourMoney
01-06-06, 08:20
Alpine Prince:
Yes, many American men have been expatriated, banished, driven out of their native land by cold fat bitchy women with greedy snatching fingers. These ever burgeoning sex starved masses are driven to find new lands where they can escape the sting of post-divorce financial castration at the hands of rabid feminists. I'll will be joining these poor souls within the next 48 hrs in the hopes of forgetting my miserable existance in The Land of Plenty. A few weeks of orgasmic joy should blot out the list of reasons why I should remain in this perpetual rat race.
Sinanju Master:
I agree. Anyone trying to earn a living hauling chickens would be condemned to fucking said chickens or some really rough looking lot lizards at best. AW would rather fuck a starving med student than a truck driver making 100K/yr. It doesn't make much sense but that is just the way things are in this country. If someone wants to save up money to leave this country then haul them chickens by all means but that is all the pink meat that you'll be seeing unless you pay for it.
Its not quite that bad...
You can find some understanding women that are truely independant. That's the kind of woman you need to have if your not going to be around alot. You can say that about any job that takes you away from home for extended amounts of time. Its not just trucking, but long shoremen, people on an oil rig, international sales, etc, etc.
The problem with trucking is its own worst enemy and the larger companies have been trying to distance themselves from the heavy country music video theme that the industry has. Honestly though, alot of them do look like they came right out of Smokey and the Bandit and all too often those types are picked to represent the industry.
You would think women would relish not having their husband around and being able to spend the money as they see fit....
Like I have said before, the search is way harder than it needs to be.
CBGBConnisur
01-06-06, 13:47
James with your shit($$$) money obsessed attitude your not getting nothing. DJ if you're AA you would love it in Oz, the women are definitely a lot more open than the AW bigots, even most European women are the same.
DJ FourMoney
01-06-06, 21:07
James with your shit($$$) money obsessed attitude your not getting nothing. DJ if you're AA you would love it in Oz, the women are definitely a lot more open than the AW bigots, even most European women are the same.
That I am (African-American, I prefer black tho... AA is too PC)
I have heard that and maybe that's a hint, I got a Quants (sp?) link in my email... Its like $999 to fly out there mid season.
It's just a long way to go for the amount of time I'll have off.
I want to go, we shall see.
CBGBConnisur
01-07-06, 16:26
I would avoid Australia during June through August, that's winter time over here, although its nothing like a North American winter, the beaches and resort areas are empty. December through February is the best.
I have never been to the American continent and have only met a few women from the same, so I am not an expert by any stretch of the imagination - just passing on something said on a Channel 4 television programme "Celebrity Big brother" here in the UK, quote - unquote "American woman are only interested one thing -money"
Therefore, if I can extrapolate that theory/opinion, the bigger the bank balance the better the screw/bang/dirtier they get?
If you aint got much money then you'll have to beg or actually pay by some other means! Or, as some here do, go without....:(
I can now see why our USA brothers travel the world mongering!
Happy New year to all you *****masters!
For those who visited Argentina recently: Is it great as other people say it is for mongers (pro and non-pro action) because I read Argentina girls are as bad, if not worse, than AW. Is that true?
Hi Helios X,
I could live anywhere in the world, but I choose to moved to Buenos Aires foru years ago.
Do I need to say anything else?
http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/
Here's what I suffering with every day:
http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2474
Thanks,
Jackson
Sinanju Master
01-07-06, 20:40
You hit the nail on the head! From the time they are very young, American Women are brought up to believe they are princesses. A great many of them are daddy's girls who twist him around their fingers and then do the same thing in the dating arena. The overwhelming majority of the time, an AW's mindset in general will be: "What (and how much) can I GET from this guy without having to put forth too much effort?" They will TAKE without giving a THOUGHT to what they can give or bring to the table regarding a relationship. Because they encounter so many men in their lives who commit the heinous crime of being attracted to them and then try to be a part of their lives, they become jaded. They then make it a sport out of making a guy look like a total and utter fool in front of their friends because THEY CAN. On the other side of the coin, they would have you believe they are just as afraid of rejection as men are. OK, lemme see... you are approached MANY times in your life by men who are attracted to you; MEN, who are the ones risking rejection and the possibility of being the butt of your future jokes, and they want us to believe THEY are afraid of rejection?? I'd sooner believe a snake oil salesman than some AW who tries to drop a line of bullshit on me like that!
Ross Jeffries said it best: "For MEN, getting laid is a CHORE. For WOMEN, getting laid is a CHOICE".
THINK about that phrase, my bretheren
CBGBConnisur
01-07-06, 21:10
I left the US in late 99' have not been back since, and am not coming back, ever.
Chocha Monger
01-08-06, 03:01
On my way through the airport today I noticed quite a number of fat AW with kids some even had diamond rings on their fingers. I found it hard to believe that men were actually copulating with these animals but the off-spring provided the hard evidence that this was in fact occuring. American men need to realized that everytime they poke one of these sows they are sending a message saying that they accept them the way that they are. Guys please stop doing this. No pipe for porkers!
Sinanju Master
01-08-06, 03:18
CM,
I suspect that at one time, these cows looked fairly attractive, BUT after the rugrats were born and they didn't even BOTHER to try to lose the fat, they switched to the "mother" role, and left the poor schmoe that married them out in the cold. Now, for the next 18 years, most if not ALL their attention will be directed toward the kids. If the husband commits the crime of actually wanting SEX from his wife, she will lay the guilt-laden, overused excuse of having to focus her attention on the kids, being tired, working or what have you. She will have time for EVERYTHING ELSE, except for the man she married. His ONLY functions now are: handyman, chauffeur and ATM. I was watching Dr. Phil one day (yeah, I find his show mildly fascinating) and a woman who was interviewed was actually SHOCKED that her husband wanted a divorce after 14 YEARS of being neglected in favor of the kids. This CLUELESS cow was actually IN TEARS and wondering what happened. At the very end, she tried to make things better by focusing more of her attention on him, but by then, it was far too late. Only after he dropped the bomb on her did she realize that she practically IGNORED him for over a decade. Now, she's a fat, lonely divorcee whose chances of success in the dating arena are about the same as that of Osama bin Laden eating a ham sandwich and swearing allegiance to America.
you are so correct. I left a wife who once was attractive enough to catch my eye, then she retired and gained weight.
I had no interest in sex with her. There were other girls available.
The decision was very easy and I am glad I made it.
no fault divorce is here, so its very easy to get another one.
I tried to start a discussion about this a while back. Absolutely, AW bullshit starts in childhood with having daddy wrapped around her little finger. To the extent of my knowledge, this is a unique and recent (last 40 years or so)American, or at least western phenomena. In some other parts of the world, while daughters are tolerated (except in China where they kill them), son's are revered and treasured. You can even see that type of behavior here in ethnic (EE, Mediteranian, some latin) families....the first born son is king of the house.
I saw a guy around the other night. Not my best friend by any stretch of the immaination, but a nice guy...he had since the last time I saw him acquired a slightly biggish new wife, and two 9-10 year old children......again, no matter how much a chick screws up (makes babies with a scumbag who doesn't stick around), there is always a sucker there to take the fall for them.
Sexual Harassment-When I was last in Prague, I saw a big heavy middle aged man (probably the boss)working in a food stand attempt to do a "radio Tokyo" on the tits of the fairly attractive late 20ish woman he was working with. Although she did struggle, squeal, protest, and move her hands to protect them, it was obvious that doing that was nothing more than a playful annoyance to her, roughly analogous to here, pulling on a pony tail, or whatever. That was really refreshing to see.
CBGBConnisur
01-08-06, 14:58
I saw Wedding Crashers, big time AW chic flick, but the type of women in the movie are stereotypical of a lot of AWs, hanging on to daddy, and despite having every advantage in life, they are psychos.
CBGBConnisur
01-08-06, 20:26
That's why travel was invented, unfortunately, the labor laws in the US make it next to impossible for the regular person to see the world. I worked five years straight during my time in NYC without a vacation.
Sinanju Master
01-08-06, 22:30
JD04, laying an AW is POSSIBLE, but since most of us are NOT foreigners with a seductive accent, or wealthy or cunning enough to talk 9 out of 10 AW's out of their pants, we combat that dilemma other ways. AW's ALREADY have their guard up when a guy approaches them, so your job is made that much more difficult. I approach the matter the same way I'd fight on the street: if the guy is clearly a grappler and he's looking to take me to the ground, I'd take him out of his element by defending against a takedown and strike vital parts of his body. On the other hand, if he was a striker, I'd strike vital parts of his body, disrupt his balance, then either choke him out or get him in a joint lock and break some bones. In my view, trying to lay an AW is fighting the STRENGTH of my opponent toe-to-toe. Going overseas and finding honeys there is the way to go for ME. Allow me to elaborate. When I go to foreign shores, I'm ALREADY exotic, being a black male being possessed of a shaven head and being 6'2". My American accent is ANOTHER positive element. Telling foreign babes I'm a bodyguard (which isn't too far from the truth at times) also intrigues them to no end. I took the opponent (the issue of getting laid) out of its element and tailored the contest to MY strengths. Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to have the cunning to talk 9 out of 10 AW's out of their panties, but those guys are extremely RARE, and I admit I'M not one of them. So, like I said, I don't go toe-to-toe with my opponent's strengths.
Not a bashing, just elaborating on MY viewpoint.
CBGBConnisur
01-08-06, 23:52
Its kind of ironic, being a regular American guy outside of your country makes it easier for you to pick up women.
Member #4351
01-09-06, 15:58
I think that it is harder to get a GFE in Argentina than in say, Peru or Colombia. That said, the girls are more European looking, and still give a much, much better bang for your buck than you will get in the States.
Member #4351
01-09-06, 17:54
Both, but more from non-pros. The pros that I spent time with in Arg. were quite nice and affectionate and obviously MUCH more GFE than a pro in the U.S. However I felt that they were somewhat colder than than the girls I met in Colombia and Peru. The fact that I live in Peru may bias my opinion.
CBGBConnisur
01-09-06, 18:17
From my experience, I have met a lot of women who are perfectly happy with where they are and are not always looking for someone to bring them back to the States. Their perceptions of Americans can vary from country to country, some might have a positive one and others would not be so favorable.
If Colombian women typically provide GFE, why do so many act like mercenaries in San Jose, CR? I wouldn't mind travelling to Cali, Bogota, or Medelin, but I fear that the girls there won't be so nice, so what is the point in doing so.
Smut Villain
01-10-06, 04:05
If Colombian women typically provide GFE, why do so many act like mercenaries in San Jose, CR? I wouldn't mind travelling to Cali, Bogota, or Medelin, but I fear that the girls there won't be so nice, so what is the point in doing so.
Short answer: gringos. Too many gringos paying more than the going rate will do that to a scene - just ask any monger in Tijuana.
Just dealing with women in Argentina, and all around the globe for that matter, puts a man on a whole other level. Some differences in BsAs for me last visit were attractive women that actually stop, talk, look you in the eye, and don't try to run off talkin over their shoulder at you as if their time is too golden- unlike where I live in the US. Salesgirls very friendly-even unattractive ones, to the point of being attractive because of them just being them. Hot waitresses remembering you with a kiss, women walking around at midnite with no fear, and a promotion girl in Recoleta Mall giving me a free box of chocolate. In Brazil the females signal and proposition you and they are all not on the program either.
One weird incident happened after a visit to a casa de chica. Had just left the fine establishment after getting busy with two busty paraguayas and was walking down Avenida Callao. I was really feeling good, kind of floatin after an hour of amazon sex when a big group of people comes in my direction so I make way as I am quite big and brush up against one guy and a telephone. Immediately a loud abrasive young American female voice (as only they can be) says "did he just take a picture of us blah blah blah," I just kept steppin and was like WTF to myself was that all about but lemme not let it ruin the nite.
It really takes time getting used to being in a mans world, (outside the US) and is a genuine high for me as here in America AW behavior just bounces off and nothing really surprises me anymore. Try to tell all the fellas how it is outside of the BS here but you can't lead a horse to water... Most guys I know go lookin for action in Jamaica, Aruba, Miami, Cancun, and two even went on a singles cruise around the Carribean on a ship with all AW's of course..... I just shook my head at that one.
James,
Let me again, provide you with a dose of reality. Yes, there is an appearent dichotomy...American girls are easy sluts, and also they are unapproachable sexless bitches.
American Girls are absolutely easy sluts...provided that you look like a Calvin Klein model, are rich, or can be a sexy exciting mysterious bad boy...which eliminates 95% of the population of men. I know guys who can walk through a shopping mall, and have a hot new girlfriend by the time that they exit.
To the rest of us, they are overall (I'm speaking in generalities here) unapproachable sexless bitches. There is your dichotomy. This includes the girl's "equal", or "better' in terms of attractiveness, wealth, social class, education, etc. This behavior continues until the girl gets herself into an untenable position (aging, wanting kids, not wanting to work anymore, getting fatter, becoming pregnant with the biological father unwilling or unable to care for the children......), at which point, the woman chooses and "reels in" a ordinary, average, poor sex starved "nice guy" who will gladly come in and use the nice stable income he developed not being a "loser bad boy" to make everything better for the girl, and will do so gladly as he is finally "getting some".
You can no more, read shit on this board, and other sources and then prescribe remedies than I can read a few newspapers and editorial sections of the newspaper and then go to negotiate sophisticated sensitive foreign policy matters at an international summit.
B9K
JD2004,
Where did you get the idea that nobody reads anyone else's posts? Most of us do. Of course there are the few exceptions who are so wrapped up in their own ideas, but that's definitely the minority.
A few thoughts on the topic at hand. When a woman isn't interested in us, she gets called a cold frigid biatch. If She's not interested in us, but fucks someone else, she gets called a sl*t, ho or whatever else. There's definitely an element of sore loser at work here.
That being said, most women who live in the same countries as we do will always be less interested in us. As a Canadian, or American or whatever, I always find it easier to approach and talk to women when I'm in a foreign country. Am I any different? No, of course not, but to them I'm interesting, special and exciting because I'm from "somewhere else".
There's a lot of guys here who'd say it's because they think I"m rich...... fair enough, and point taken. However, I make a double six figure income and have found that it doesn't help at all when it comes to making my approach. In fact, just the opposite, because I have to be suspicious of all women as potential gold diggers.
Bart9000 is 100% right about what he said. Any women will put out if they think it's gonna help them land themselves an exceptional guy. The number one thing seems to be looks, with big money a close second. This is most true for the younger women..... although money seems to gain in importance as they get older (30's and up).
Anyways, if you're not young, handsome and/or rich..... you probably won't be able to score with all kinds of hot young babes. It's a myth, it just doesn't work that way for average guys..... unless you're willing to pay for it.
Rock
I saw that you got onto streetwalkers.....wasn't really following your logic and flow of thought there.....I do understand that english isn't your first language. I took the first part of your posting as an independent section, and commented on it.
I thought I would just leave the part about streetwalkers alone. It is my OPINION that as the lowest level of the prostitue "food chain" they are "bad news" and should be avoided as having a high degree of potential negative consequence associated with them, such as theft, disease, scams etc.
Rock, as I was writing that, the old joke was in my mind....What do you call a girl who sleeps with everyone...A ****. What do you call a gir who sleeps with everyone but you....a *****.
"dog and fart"...are you 10 years old? I know that is the kind of wit and sophistication I expect from a pre-pubescent.....as an encore will you do the old "What's the capital of Thailand...BANG COCK" gag?
So your solution for dealing with AW bullshit is to....go out and fuck a US streetwalker......For the moment disregarding all of the potential legal, health and safety issues of this grand plan, I have only one thing to say......"HELLO CAPTAIN OBVIOUS".
And I wasn't bashing you for not being a native english speaker. I'm working on an expatriation(very likely to someplace where english isn't the native lanuage), and have taken the time and trouble to learn a lot of Spanish, basic Czech, and now I'm working on Russian with a Pimsleur course. Yea, don't I sound like some kind of neocon protectionist "minuteman" jag off?
DJ FourMoney
01-11-06, 09:28
the only thing i can add is this -
i try really hard to pick women i feel i have a shot at and since its mostly based on looks, i start with average to cute looking women (5-7). some of them won't be interested in me because i'm not attractive to them, that seems fair to me. there's suppose to be a level of animal attraction for their to be some sexual response.
from there, conversation is where things are usually made or broken. if you can't converse with the woman, chances are she won't be interested in you and that is the common theme in any part of the world i would think.
but seldom does a woman diss me based on conversation or even how i look, its how i live my life (over 30 and at home) and what i choose for a profession (truck driver) that usual turns off aw women.
that leaves me desperate older women, bbw's, single mothers and the occasional 6-7 that lack self confidence, has other social or physical issues.
not a great selection if you ask me...
that's not to say you can't run into the same type of women aboard, in fact the more westernized and honestly the more our military is involved in a county the more it takes on typical american issues, like single parenthood. some parts of germany and some asian countries can link some issues directly back to our armed forces.
but generally most populations aboard are untainted for the most part. they just take what they seem to enjoy from our culture and intergate it into theirs.
so i have found so far in my dealings with women from other countries are more accepting of what i do for a living and where i live, since its not uncommon for herself to live at home or known men in her area that also live with their parents.
in otherwords, not being a hypocrite...
i've had single mothers recently divorced and living with their parents try and clown me for living at home, when i earn more than they do! us women have lost their collective minds and its not about sour grapes for me at all. i just see them for what they are.
if you have social issues with women here beyond where you live or what type of job you have, then your going to stuggle aboard also, especially if the native language isn't english.
i don't have to be a world traveler to understand that "game recognizes
game" and as riley freeman said "if game recongnizes game, i'm having trouble recongnizing you grand dad..."
Sinanju Master
01-11-06, 19:43
JD '04, I THINK I understand what you're trying to convey (if I don't understand, I apologize in advance), BUT soliciting the services of a SW in this country can A] land you in jail or B] get your pic plastered on a billboard in the US city where you live, or BOTH. Getting even with AW's (as I believe you put it in an earlier post) is difficult in the US, because the cards are stacked in the AW's favor (from maintaining a stranglehold on the pussy supply to having the power of metaphorical Life and Death regarding careers and sexual harrassment). In my earlier post, I mentioned that (paraphrasing) that many of us here are in the AW's element, and are at a disadvantage in the dating arena. Don't tell me you've never noticed a FUGLY bow-wow get even SLIGHT attention from men. It's the equivalent of shoppers at a deli competing over a rancid, rotting, fly-covered slice of ham. When the OVERWHELMING amount of the delis are like that, how are you going to get even when that is the NORM? Getting back to your "solution" of soliciting SW's: how comfortable would YOU feel if your pic was on a GIANT billboard stating that you attempted to solicit a SW? The brownshirt Feminazis would have a FIELD DAY, saying that you are contributing to the oppression of women (give me a fucking break! SW's are grown women who can make decisions for themselves, so, I don't buy it) and they would say that you are a LOSER for paying for sex. Let me see, would I rather have a FREE necrophilia experience (where my partner would feel that simply being in her presence is ENOUGH, and she would seek to do as little as possible, while the onus is on ME to give her MY ALL) or would I rather PAY for a hot young, willing honey who hasn't had the sexual enthusiasm indoctrinated from her by the "sexual wardens"?
DJ4$ is right... travel to other countries in order to use your relative exotic-ness to your advantage.
Can I have an A-MEN?
Unfortunately in the US we are so desparate for pussy that the ladies know they have us hooked. To really see this desparation, a guy recently posed as a women on CL and posted an ad without a pics and was stunned at the number of male responses he received in an hour. Almost 150 male responses!!!!! My friends the only way to deal with this bullsh#t is for us to date women from other countries.
Unfortunately in the US we are so desparate for pussy that the ladies know they have us hooked. To really see this desparation, a guy recently posed as a women on CL and posted an ad without a pics and was stunned at the number of male responses he received in an hour. Almost 150 male responses!!!!! My friends the only way to deal with this bullsh#t is for us to date women from other countries.That's just sad.
CBGBConnisur
01-12-06, 02:21
James D 2004 is confusing monetary gains with women. From his English, he is not a native speaker, I am guessing he is Asian from his knowledge of Asians in Australia. I honestly would not listen to him on opinions about American women since he is not in the US nor has ever actually been there. He as absolutely no credibility. As far as Bart's description about American women only looking at the top 5 percent of the male population, only about 5 percent of the female population is actually worth going after. For the most part American women suck, even the best of us have gotten whipped. Ever read about all the high profile divorce cases concerning the rich and famous. Being rich and famous doesn't make you immune from the wrath of the AW.
ok, let's deconstruct this brilliant piece of literature shall we?
"
if you have been following this thread, aw are trashy, slutty, indiscriminate. on the other hand, hard to get them laid, bitchy, unapproachable, princess. that couldn't be all right.
the two faces of aw are touched upon in some posts. if nobody is checking, they go wild easily. spring break, backpacking etc."
ok so "this couldn't all be right"....as i explained in original reply post, it is, but let's leave this alone for the moment.
"i'm talking about something different. how to get laid with bitchy aw, money obsessed aw. how to get even without going overseas and bringing in non-aw. i'm not proposing big solutions, just for fun sometimes, better than repeating how bad aw's are all the time."
so he is going to tell us how to get laid.
"and aw syndrome isn't really limited to aw. as darkseid has already experienced the bitchiness of asian girls from hk and taiwan. how to get even is about the same, but since that happened in america so i stick to aw discussion."
asian girls are bitchy too....ok. what is the point?
"aw are fully aware of sex at ****. my provider friend is very worried
about her niece, who has a rich father, in private school. but she is worried about her sister dropping her niece off at the mall on her own for hours."
ok, so american girls become aware of sex at an early age and your friend is worried presumably that affluent young niece will become sexually active when she isn't supervised at the mall.
it's well known that aw provide bj at 13, group sex later etc etc, across racial and class lines. who doesn't like sex or curious about it?
ok, so these days girls are giving out blowjobs at 13, more or less as part of "making out"......basically true as far as i know, but how this does me an adult male any good is basically beyond me. we are getting heavily into aimless babbling territory.
"there's not enough penis to go around."
this may in fact be the stupidest fucking thing that has ever been said on this board. i shouldn't even bother explaining this, but for the sake of whatever.......basically just about every girl who is more attractive than "slightly below average" has at least 10-15 guys in her life who would like to fuck her. there is an oversupply of penis, which makes it's value effectively zero in this country.
but if you are not yau ming, don't play basketball. everyone has their moments, the right time, the right place. if the home coming queen doesn't look at you, you are not alone. may be try the geek. your time will come.
essentially he is saying "every dog has it's day". ok, i can go along with this....when i was 15 i was fucking a smoking hot 18 year old korean girl, and when 17 i had a big titted pretty faced "princess" type. of course those days are long gone. what about the next 35-65 years of my life.
"then the college sluts. when they leave college, they are respectable again and behavior like a bitchy virgin, find a husband to treat her like a virgin queen, ration sex to control him and take advantage of him, even thought the whole football were entertained whenever the need arisen, sometimes together."
ok, i think he is saying here that some girls **** around during college, and then turn into "virginal" prudes after landing some schlub to foot the bills for him. basically what i have been complaining about for the last year plus, but......
ok, if you are pissed off by blond cheerleaders, daddy's little princess, it's pretty easy to get even, like therapy. they are a dime a dozen. the junkies. this is the least i wanted to talk about. but i include it anyway; rather relevant to this site.
ok, so now we have jumped from "daddy's little princess" to junkies. is he saying that "daddy's little princess", blonde cheerleader types become junkies?
"blond, white, barely 18. if they are any younger they are hidden underground instead of parading on the streets."
ok, i guess we are still talking about junkies.
" most sw are fucky."
what is "fucky"? i assume he means something derogatory like "fugly". wait a minute, wasn't he just saying that "blonde cheerleader types" become junkies, and presumably sw's ala "parading the streets".
" but depend on where you are, and the price, there are still many beautiful sw among the numerous fucky sws. with drugs, they are very slim. walking around all night, i've seen very gorgeous legs. at the outside, very cute. very good genes, tall, slender, cheerleader material. they talk as if they have a very good family, like rich daddy's little girl."
we have confirmation....he is in fact asserting that some streetwalkers are in fact fallen "daddy's little princess types", who are not "fucky".
"but when the clothes are off, you can see some effect of drug use on the body. the effect is light for early stage of addiction, but i like flawless, that's why i avoid junkies."
ok, so now junkie streetwalkers are not good, even though they may in fact be fallen blonde cheerleader "daddies little princess" types. hey, i thought he was going to tell us how to get laid? could it possibly be that we are back in pointless babbling territory here?
"with experience of pimps and drug craving, they behave extremely well like having gone to finishing school."
this sentence doesn't make sense. perhaps if we assume in a kind and not bashing him for not having complete command of english, manner that he meant "despite experience of pimps and drug craving, they behave exteremely well like having gone to finishing school". however, this seems to contradict his previous sentence, where he was just asserting that blonde cheerleader daddies little princess junke streetwalkers are a less than ideal solution. as, under this scenario, he is putting forth one assertion, and then in the next line, presumably putting forth not a supporting, but a contradictory point, i am again calling pointless babbling.
with under $100, your getting laid fantasy with whoever in the past are fulfilled and i doubt if you will repeatedly complain about how bitchy aw are here again.
ok, so here we should appearently go fuck blonde cheerleader daddies little princess type junkie streetwalkers, even though they appearently aren't up to his standards. i guess this is the "how to get laid" part. of course, we have all the problems of disease, theft, law enforcement, potentially having your car confirep001ed, public humiliation in the newspaper and on billboards...........
many more to come about drug free, disease free blond cheer leader types and others.
ok, so now he is going to tell us how to find and fuck non-junkie, disease free cheerleader type daddies little princess streetwalkers.....unlikely but...
another reason i avoid junkies is that, money cannot buy happiness, but you can buy smile as the asian will say. junkies just make me sad. look at this recent story (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=7076931).
again, junkies bad. the link leads to some goofy profile on a "friendster" type site, which is probably more or less a joke. i have no idea what the relevance is to that, except that it has the picture of a fairly attractive blonde girl. i did not notice any assertion that the girl is a prostitute, or anything else to make it relevant to his "points".
"in addition, junkies are desperate at times, so just the fact that they remember you and having your phone number can be big trouble, even you just met them once."
yet even more "junkies are bad"...wait a minute, i thought this was supposed to be our solution to the aw problem.
"ps if they see the light before too late and with a successful rehab, they became daddy's princess once again. with some plastic surgery, her history is erased."
ok, apperently here he is asserting that we should out, get a blonde cheerleader daddies little princess junkie streetwalker, dry her out, and take her for enough plastic surgery that she is unrecognizeable to her former life (to the extent of my knowledge, that is beyond the limits of current technology). even if this were theoretically feasible, it sounds like a hell of a lot of trouble and expense, for a really shaky potential result. anyone know what the relapse rate is for junkies.......a what 90%-98% that she would steal all of your stuff and hit the streets again? i personally think i would much rather go and bring back a nice girl from asia, eastern europe, or south america than go to this trouble.
it's easy to find a bf with a trust fund etc.
probably not so much for someone who gives blowjobs to get money for smack or crack.
they may be indifference to sex and jumpy sometimes, but that became class.
this makes no sense.
once in a blue moon they may give a slurpy blowjob under the influence of alcohol.
and this was desirable why? i thought we were getting the grand plan for how to make our lives better.
there is nothing worse than a clueless dipshit who thinks that knows "the score"
b9k
ps hey dj...."my name is "a pimp called slickback""....nooooooo....not "slickback"...."a pimp called slickback"....like "a tribe called quest".......lord, guide my pimp hand......
It occurs to me that I MAY have been a bit harsh with James.
Obviously, he is clueless, but despite this he is holding forth in a pseudo-authoritative manner on a subject he knows nothing about. This is something that I have a personal issue with. However, in this context, it isn't a shooting offense.
It occurs to me that James could be a poor immigrant, the product of a deficient education, who was never instructed in logic, or the proper way to analyze a subject, come to a conclusion, take a position, and support it in writing. Having myself recieved an elementary and high school education that was relatively deficient, I can sympathize with this.
Also, it occurred to me that his post that I just ripped apart could in fact be a very lame and inept (possibly fueled by cultural differences, although that is a stretch) attempt at humor.
If any of the above does apply, I do apologize....In the future however, do kindly attempt not to hold forth about subjects that you have a less than reasonable grasp on.
DJ FourMoney
01-12-06, 20:01
I couldn't agree more...
Sinanju Master
01-12-06, 21:49
I think James' post(s) were a bit misinformed but perhaps well-intentioned. For one, I was wondering where he got the "95%" stats from (regarding women and men), and the second, I was wondering if he truly knew of the Puritanical and legal climate in the US regarding "getting even" with AW's through the solicitation of SW's. Some of the stuff he said, he got right, but that last particular point is one I had a hard time accepting.
CBGBConnisur
01-13-06, 03:37
James is a putz, a troll, crashing this board. A grand for some overrated Ameritwat??? I could pick up a hot blonde outside of Kings Cross and pay her 100 Aussie dollars for two good hours.
I am leaning away from the "poor attention starved under educated imigrant" theory and more towards my original assessment.
For one thing, to the extent of my knowledge (and I could be mistaken), a "mutual support network" of persons involved in an illegal activity and who do so crossing state lines, are in violation of the RICO statutes. That is risking a lot of heat for a bit of misdemeanor level bail money.
Also, even if "Daddies Little Princess" were to want to turn some tricks, why the hell would she expose herself to the dangers of the street, when she could in this day and age very easily get a computer, an internet connection, and a web page and screw two carefully screened and verified clients a day @ 4-600 a pop, in a relatively safe comfortable hotel room.
I am calling complete and total Bullshit.
Doctor_Skank
01-13-06, 07:39
I cant agree with everything that JD2004 said either, but I enjoyed his posts... so I hope we ladies can keep from getting our skivvies in a knot.
Its all good, the discussion from any side is welcome.
Keep it coming guys, all of you... all of us.
heres a link to a story about dinner *****s. these girls brag about using guys for expensive dinners with one saying she has had about $30,000 worth of free meals and she's only 26. disgraceful.....
http://www.nypost.com/living/61368.htm
watched "blind date," a dating tv show and on this episode right out of the box, the blonde (4 out of a 10) starts giving the guy an attitude. the guy was real cool and a gentlemen the whole way and all she could do was be a nasty biatch the whole date. thought i missed something and there was a reason for the rude behavior of the female but it was just her being a typical aw i guess. oh yeah she was a single mom too and not at all attractive so it was even all the more unbelievable and the guy was nice lookin, dressed nice, and had a good personality.
not that i watch tv all day but on mtv's "next" one girl dated the guy and pissed her pants right at the table with [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) drippin on the floor like a waterfall, he nexted her immediately and she acted like it was a normal thing with the other girls high fiving and laughing like it was cool.
Doctor_Skank
01-13-06, 13:25
Mike12:
Great link... that hurts. I guess its just girls playing the game as we like to think we are... but still hurts.
I spend most of my time in Europe and EE, but "American dating" exists there as well, even though it obviously isnt as pervasive as in the US.
Personally if I dont get laid by date 3 the girl gets a write off, period. If it hasnt happened by then, its not worth my time, cash and effort. I tend to think that if the sexual energy between us hasnt reached the boiling point by then, then it probably will never get above a simmer.
I fucking hate the system too... boring dinner dates as some sort of admission ticket to a kiss, some poon or... another date.
In fact I have pretty much given up on the dinner date, and instead try to arrange coffee dates, cocktail dates or basically anything that is going to count as a date without denting my pocketbook too much. Its not that I am particularly cheap, but I hate blowing $150 on dinner that neither party particularly wants or enjoys. A cocktail date gets you a lot closer to home plate than dinner anyway.
Doctor_Skank
01-13-06, 14:54
JD2004:
These SWs you are writing about, which city or area? NY?
JD2004:
These SWs you are writing about, which city or area? NY?My guess is the City of Angels.
CBGBConnisur
01-13-06, 16:52
James is a nutter, ignore him.
It appears that our friend here, who may be well intentioned has been gullibly listening to fucked up girl bullshit, and is repeating it here for our benefit.
Let me lay out two terms to keep in mind. "Rationalization", and "Delusions of Grandeur".
Rough overview-I don't have time to get into exact details here:
1. Blah Blah Blah...gorgeous, cheerleader type...Daddies Princess...etc.
Reality-delusions of grandeur: Some streetwalkers are young and attractive. Particularly I would imagine this is especially true in California, "The Promised Land". Regarding upper class upbringing, social prominance, et all, it has been my experiece that people from fucked up backgrounds LIE about it. Instead of "I ran away from the trailer park outside of Santa Fe at 14 because Mom's crack addict boyfriend was trying to fuck me", they may say "My Daddy is rich, we had a stable, and a guest house, Daddy drove a Caddilac, I was a cheerleader and the Quarterback was in love with me......"
2. Blah Blah Blah....intricate network, traveling, etc, mutual assistance.
Reality-Delusions of Grandeur: Streetwalkers drift from city to city, for a variety of reasons, such as as weather, excessive competition, and becoming too well known to Law Enforcement. Sometimes they are friendly with each other and might help one another out on an informal basis. There is no organized network
3. Blah Blah Blah (obviously paraphrased) doing business as an escort is inferior to turning tricks to the street because.........
Reality-Massive Rationalization: In actuality it is more likely "Despite in some cases making hundreds of dollars a day, I can't get my shit together enough to get work with an escort agency (this requires keeping apointments, and maintaining a phone line), let alone being "self" employed with an internet connection, a PC, and a self-designed webpage.
That is all,
B9K
DJ FourMoney
01-14-06, 07:44
Just to add -
Not to mention all the women that come from all over the WORLD, not just the US to work legally in Nevada...
Street Walkers are just that. They are mostly on drugs or involved in other things that prevent them from being employed by a escort service, going to Nevada, having your ad on Eros.com or any other web site they could list their services on.
Reality continues to say that James is either clueless or joking.
Sinanju Master
01-14-06, 15:28
... don't you think that the established SW's of any city would kick the SHIT out of any newcomers that they would perceive as horning in on their territory/livelihood? They're not just gonna swoop in and start cutting out a piece of the market of the established SW's.
JD2004's posts have a disjointed, unreal quality about them. But, as long as we keep on giving him the attention he wants, he'll keep on posting.
Just ignore him, sooner or later he'll go away.
Rock
CBGBConnisur
01-14-06, 18:47
Good looks rarely last forever, some women who looked beautiful when they are young, their looks fall apart fast. Kelly LeBrock used to be hot, now she is a 45 year old overweight has been. The same with the woman who played Daisy Duke. This is endemic to women everywhere not just the US.
Sinanju Master
01-14-06, 20:30
I agree about the Kelly LeBrock comment. In a post I submitted a long time ago, I stated that as a guy ages (if he still looks reasonably well) he can still get laid because he can manuever through the dating arena with CURRENCY. As a WOMAN ages, the "currency" she uses to get through life (her body) becomes LESS valuable and she can not leverage as much with it as she used to. The balance of power for smiliarly aged sexes shifts to the guy. In general, women the WORLD OVER are ALWAYS gonna put out for cash for an older man if he looks reasonably well. HOWEVER, not many guys are gonna want to fuck a sun-dried has-been unless she's a WELL-PRESERVED MILF. Quoting Frazier Crane: "I don't make the rules, I just enjoy them"...
CBGBConnisur
01-15-06, 02:06
Age is not a serious issue for men as it is for women. A lot of women I have met, even those who are in their 20's aren't as age biased as they might have been in the past. Women will largely go to a man if he is seen as responsible, mature, and stable. Older men tend to have those qualities. Signs of age such as hair loss are not as serious for men. In fact, I saw a knockout Asian woman yesterday with a middle aged guy that had a receding hair line. I am 35, and most women I date on average are much younger, my most recent girlfriend was from Bulgaria, and she was 23.
Kelly LeBrock was kind of the equivalent of Angelina Jolie today.
...is that there is parity in all things (aka yin and yang for those of us oriented towards eastern philosophies). Yes, the world will break it's own back to give an attractive young woman her way, but conversely,, if that woman moves past "MIlf" into "motherly' and on into mature, in most cases, the woman loses all power, except that which she holds over her own family.
Moving this toward my favorite subject "bad boy losers", there is also parity there. Yes, women are partially insulated against paying the consequences making of bad decisions in men, by the legions of sex starved "nice guys" thrilled to finally be the recipient of positive attention by Suzy Screwup and her 2 father absent illegitimate children. However, these women are in many cases, punished as a part of the process, when they throw themselves at pretty boys, rich guys, bad boys, pro athletes, rock stars etc, only to find themselves being fucked and discarded (sometimes with a 9 month present), which probably isn't especially pleasant.
The one who we are now ignoring mentioned "getting even". I don't need to get even, as life does this for me.....I just need a source of female companionship that doesn't carry a high likelyhood of throwing my life into chaos.
B9K
CBGBConnisur
01-15-06, 04:25
Kelly LeBrock played the hot science project chic, she was also in a lot of Steven Seagal movies. I saw her on Vh1's weight loss challenge, she was porked at 5'8" and 180lbs. Man she looked so messed up, Kelly used to be the woman of my dreams almost two decades ago(she grew up in Europe but moved to the US as an adult). The years can change a lot of things as well as pack on the pounds. Men for the most part don't fall apart as easily as a female, and have many aspects that can make themselves desirable to the opposite sex. Brigitte Nielsen used to be smoking hot, she was on Vh1 with Flava Flave and she looked like an old hag. Very few women age well.
CB is referring to John Hughes film "Weird Science" circa about '87 or so.
The bad aging may be an AW phenomena. This may be an isolated example, but, do you guys remember the film "Gorky Park" from the early eighties? It was on Skinemax about 15 times a week while those of us in our mid thirties were in high school. The hot Polish girl, who played the hot Russian girl, age was 23-24 when "Gorky" was filmed (really fucking good movie for those of you who haven't seen it by the way). Check her out now, circa 2000, when she was 43
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001586/photogallery
...she pretty much looks the same way she did back in 83. Granted, this is also someone who, like kelly le brock, emigrated here, but something is obviously different.
Something kind of funny. Here in the US, I am very commonly mistaken for up to a decade less than my actual age, particularly by young girls...I have had several 20 year old girls think I am maybe 24, 27 at most.
I found out on my last trip to Prague that I'm not fooling anyone in Europe. a pretty 18 year old, looked at me and said...."34" right on the nose.
I'm inferring from this that I am aging phenomenally well for an American, but about average for a European, which implies that their culture is condusive to healthier ageing.
B9K
Sinanju Master
01-15-06, 06:25
Weird Science - 1985... Anthony Michael Hall (one of the the two geeks)
the inaccurate age-guessing - I don't know if it's only an American phenomenon, but in '99 a female coworker tried to guess my age and was 8 years off (guessed 28, was 36)... two weeks ago in my PRESENT job, a female coworker was 12 years off (guessed 30, am 43)...
DJ FourMoney
01-15-06, 09:11
African-Americans and other of African decent tend to age very well....
Jane Kennedy comes to mind... She was hot young, porked up as a 2nd time married woman, slimmed down as a middle aged, wannabe talk show hostess.
But she still looked around late 20's, early 30's at the most when I last saw her in public.
Life in general can be hard on some people. Drinking alot and smoking effect skin tone as well.
People are off my age at least 7 years (im 35).
Today's guess - 28
Thurs' guess - 24-25
DJ FourMoney
01-15-06, 09:18
...is that there is parity in all things (aka yin and yang for those of us oriented towards eastern philosophies). Yes, the world will break it's own back to give an attractive young woman her way, but conversely,, if that woman moves past "MIlf" into "motherly' and on into mature, in most cases, the woman loses all power, except that which she holds over her own family.
Moving this toward my favorite subject "bad boy losers", there is also parity there. Yes, women are partially insulated against paying the consequences making of bad decisions in men, by the legions of sex starved "nice guys" thrilled to finally be the recipient of positive attention by Suzy Screwup and her 2 father absent illegitimate children. However, these women are in many cases, punished as a part of the process, when they throw themselves at pretty boys, rich guys, bad boys, pro athletes, rock stars etc, only to find themselves being fucked and discarded (sometimes with a 9 month present), which probably isn't especially pleasant.
The one who we are now ignoring mentioned "getting even". I don't need to get even, as life does this for me.....I just need a source of female companionship that doesn't carry a high likelyhood of throwing my life into chaos.
B9K
Bart you are on point as usual...
Life does have a funny way of evening the odds later in life. So many AW think career first and happiness on the back end. Only to find themselves 30 something, childless, unmarried and lonely.
But as stated several times already -
The AW dating scene is a battleground when it shouldn't be so. Not saying that dating elsewhere is perfect but it can't be any worst...
Weird Science - 1985... Anthony Michael Hall (one of the the two geeks)
the inaccurate age-guessing - I don't know if it's only an American phenomenon, but in '99 a female coworker tried to guess my age and was 8 years off (guessed 28, was 36)... two weeks ago in my PRESENT job, a female coworker was 12 years off (guessed 30, am 43)...
A few providers I've see think I'm 15 years younger than my actual age of 40.
Generally Asian(Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Thai, Cambodian, Malyasian, Indonesian, Indian, Pakistani etc) Black & latina as well as Brazilian women look younger than their actual age.
Was watching TV the other night and they were advertising some hotel in Las Vegas. They had Jenny McCarthy as the host because they wanted to play up the sexual angle.
I quickly realized a couple of things....... Jenny is really fake, as in fake eyelashes, fake hair color, fake tits, fake attitude etc. The other thing I noticed is that Jenny is NOT aging very well. Her body still looks nice, but her face is showing some hard mileage..... even with tons of makeup and studio lighting.
My guess is too much party life in general. Too much smoking, drinking and suntanning in particular.
I've got to disagree with some of the comments made recently. Guys might age better than women, but this (in my experience) does not mean that women don't prefer a younger guy. This is especially true if all other factors are equal. The advantage for an older guy is that he's usually moved further up in the world in terms of job, money and possessions. For some women, this compensates for his being older.
Women from other countries and cultures just tend to be a little more practical in their choices. But if you think that a beautiful 21 yr old woman is gonna pick some guy who's 45 over one that is 25 (who has same job, height, looks etc) you're dreaming.
As a matter of fact, I dated a 20 yr old when I was 40. She was born here, but from an Indo-caribbean background. She was good looking with very large tits. The thing is, I didn't tell her how old I was until we'd gotten fairly involved. I did this because A: I wanted her to get to know me without being influenced by any ideas about my age.... and B: I knew if I told her my age at the beginning it would have been no go. She later told me the same thing, so I was right.
Young guys get laid because they are young, older guys get laid because they can afford it.
Rock
CBGBConnisur
01-15-06, 18:15
There was a website that showed what famous celebrities looked like without all the makeup and camera trickery. I will try to find the link but it showed what J Lo, Britney Spears, and Julia Roberts look like on a normal day but they did not look so great without all the makeup.
As far as the age thing if all things are equal of course a woman is going to take a younger guy.
Sinanju Master
01-15-06, 19:07
RD, when I said it was easier for an older guy to hook up with a younger honey, I wasn't talking about LTR, just hot nasty sex. I HAVE known instances OUTSIDE the celebrity arena where the guy was much older than the woman and they were MARRIED for quite a while. Getting back to the May/December issue, it's MUCH LESS common for an older woman hooking up with younger man... not saying it DOESN'T happen, but it is MUCH LESS COMMON
The aging thing is definately an AW phenomenon. I attribute this to a number of things. If they are married, the answer is obvious: the race is won, target is caught, so it's now time to let herself go. Also, the prevailing belief in the US is that as one ages one becomes fat sickly & ugly, and we become what we believe. I see this among Asian Americans and African Americans if they were born here or came here at an early age (contrary to what some believe). They get as fat & icky as anyone here, eating junk food & overeating in general. Blacks have severe obesity rates.
In any case, I've done many Asians (not Asian American, as they have as much BS baggage as any AW), women in their 30's-50's who had incredibly hot bodies that would be on par with the top 10% of AW 18-year-olds.
Sinanju,
Did'nt Demi whats her face marry a guy half her age she being 42 and he 27... ok excuse me not exactly half her age but still - thats Holloywood so it does not count, or does it.....does it ??
I'm sure she will still be hot as hell at 50.
Cheers.
Sinanju Master
01-15-06, 23:36
I never said that it DOESN'T happen, only that an older woman/younger man combination is MUCH LESS COMMON than an older MAN and YOUNGER woman... hey, if Demi Moore is THAT smokin' at 40+ then God Bless her! She's a role model for millions of women her age and older and she dispels the EXCUSES that MANY women her age will toss out at the drop of a DIME Hollywood or not!
St Stephen
01-15-06, 23:48
Fuck 'em. Give me an Asian. American women are spoiled little cunts for the most part. Lived in the U. S. All my life. Not only do they have the pussy, we've given them way too much power. The goal of the women's movement has been to neutralize our physical superiority and silence us with sexual harassment. Again fuck 'em, let them wear out vibrators.
CBGBConnisur
01-16-06, 04:08
Younger men with older women type couples are extremely rare. The opposite is somewhat more prevalent, though usually the older fellow has some qualities to make up for the age difference, usually a lot of money. It is not too uncommon for a man to have a partner who is 5 to 10 years younger than he, that is still a considerable age difference. Donald Trump is over 30 years older than his current wife. As someone who has visited Europe, and goes there every year, its not hard for me to run into Melania quality women at all.
CBGBConnisur
01-17-06, 04:46
Before the next topic, this happens to be related.
Question about my wife...
Posted by Pink Freud, 1/16/2006 12:38:48 PM
Ya, this is gonna sound weird, but bear with me...
I need some advice...
I make about $400,000 a year net after taxes, and that is why my wife loves me. Im a good looking guy, but i am starting to realize after 5 years of marraige that my wife loves my money, not me. I tried to overlook all her love of shoes, cars, clothes, fancy restaurants, etc,because she is just damn hot. Shes a past korean import model, but i also fell in love with her cute ways, her mannerisms, etc...Now, all I see in her eyes is the passion for more money, more money, more money. I have never felt worse about myself in my life...I considered suicide a few times because, I thought she might grow to love me, but its clear she loves my money. I started seeing korean providers recently, mostly in San Francisco, and the experience is like with my wife...FAKE, FAKE, moan, moan, give me the donation, get lost. I know i shouldnt be looking for love at AAMPs or MPs, but I thought Id try.
Can someone help me understand why women love money so much, and why its almost always the most shallow girls who like the money? Do women grow out of that like a phase in life? DO they grow out of their love of money and start to appreciate the better things in life? For example, i know a few good girls, who have dirt poor boyfriends and they are so happy in their lives, with their strong relationships. Why are korean girls so money hungry? seriously, i hate to make it sound racist, but ive been with many vietnamese and chinese girls and the predominance of money-hungry girls is not as high as with korean girls. Should i stay with my wife, who is beautiful and who i love, but will never grow to love me? i have to be honest, great sex is important, but I feel empty the rest of the time we arenot having sex...
the absurdity of life....
Proof that non-American women can be just as mercenary as their US counterparts. Its actually not hard to find someone who really loves you but judging someone because of their appearance is complete stupidity. If I met someone who is very attractive with a good personality versus a knockout with an attitude I would choose the former.
...don't usually quote it in "net after tax" terms. The only person with "big money" that I have ever seen do this is a dumb hillbilly that has owned a little chain of tire stores for about 50 years.
If they intend to dazzle you, saying "I make 750K " is substaintively more impressive than saying "I take home over 400K".
If they wish to remain modest or ambiguous, they will say something like "I make a six-figure income", or even "I make a fairly healthy income", if answering at all.
Eau de bullshit.
B9K
Doctor_Skank
01-17-06, 08:05
If you bait a girl with money and she bites, becoming your wife, lover or girlfriend why should it be a surprise if she loves the money at least as much as she loves you?
If I had so much money and was good-looking as the guy describes himself and was simultaneously looking for a real loving and caring women, I would downplay the money, not even mentioning it, and try to meet girls who liked me for being me. I realize it is a problem for the wealthy avoiding these money-hungry wenches... but having your cake and eating it too takes talent.
And beyond that, making 400k a year and then marrying... now that's foolish.
In general, American Women suck. Of course I live in Los Angeles, one of the toughest cities to date in the world. Let me put it to you this way: I have never ever had a girlfriend from Los Angeles. All my GF have been from other cities or countries. All my best girlfriends have been from Europe, hence my interest in going. I know I know, there are gems out there, but I really don't think it's worth the investment, time and effort wise. Why not go to countries where I am wanted, versus staying here and competing for scraps, as I see it.
CBGBConnisur
01-17-06, 12:08
The guy in the post is a *******, marrying someone for looks is absolutely moronic. Get to know the person, if there is no personality, why would you want to spend your life with this skank?? Honestly this is the reason why I would never get married and I am opposed to most LTRs because they fail and are often a cause of misery.
No one should not underestimate the power of money in changing one's perceptions. If you really think all those Asian and South American women in various resort cities cavorting with foreign men past their prime are in it for love you are mistaken. Most likely its for a chance to get out their countries. I would admit that they will be a lot nicer about it.
DJ FourMoney
01-17-06, 19:48
In general, American Women suck. Of course I live in Los Angeles, one of the toughest cities to date in the world. Let me put it to you this way: I have never ever had a girlfriend from Los Angeles. All my GF have been from other cities or countries. All my best girlfriends have been from Europe, hence my interest in going. I know I know, there are gems out there, but I really don't think it's worth the investment, time and effort wise. Why not go to countries where I am wanted, versus staying here and competing for scraps, as I see it.
Tell me about it...
Average distance to travel to see GF or fug some random girl I met online:
About 100 miles!
Let's see, the last two women I took on a date locally (meaning LA area proper or Eastern Ventura County)
1) Had the "I like money and fame" complex
She was name dropping unlike anything I have experienced in the last 10 years.
Talking about driving a Range Rover but couldn't afford to fix it when it broke down (it sat in her driveway when I picked her up). Claimed to not like the "vibe" of LA. I took that; because she wasn't super thin (she wasn't fat at all) that "Hollywood" types wouldn't mind having sex with her, which was clearly the case as she talked in such "glowing" terms about some people she mentioned. She wanted to move to Chicago or some other BS...
2) Thought I was corny
Read: Whitewashed! In otherwords, she thinks that black people all act, speak and have life the experiences of a rap star. Nevermind that more than half are "Studio Gangstas" and all too frequently some black folk are proud of their "ignorance" and wear it proudly like a merit badge or something.
Nevermind this chick was a falling down DRUNK single mother!
Argh!!!
CBGBConnisur
01-17-06, 19:53
With the kind of money in the Bay Area, I am surprised he got a hottie with even a 400K a year income. I know a few people in that income range in NYC, one owns a restaurant and other his own real estate office. Both of them date women I wouldn't even look at. Finding a woman in the US who loves you for you and not for what you can do for her is pretty much impossible.
American women are spoiled and have a luxurious life. In most of the countries that men find the women are so much nicer, there is desperate poverty and miserable conditions. Mongers love it in places like Russia, Thailand and South America because women are available for cheap who are beautiful. In places like Russia and Colombia there are dozens of websites devoted to women who want to marry men from other countries so that they can be taken away from the place. That tells you right there the places are seriously troubled.
I've actually had a couple of 3rd world women ask me when I would marry them after only a few days. There ARE some men who would marry a woman with such limited time, but they are few, and they are probably idiots. My friends have told me about some fools in the military who have married girls like this. By contrast, can you imagine an American or European woman talking about when are you going to marry me on basically the early stages of a relationship. Maybe some mentally disturbed girl but not your typical one that I've ever known or dated.
American women have their drawbacks and I sympathize with the guys who are forced to travel outside the country to find nice companionship. Ideally if you can find a nice intelligent American girl, that was well brought up, at least you know they aren't just interested in you because you are an American or wealthy. Wheras with someone from a 3rd world woman who wants an American that is what you're getting much of the time.
If someone is just looking to monger the rest of their life AW are the worst for that, and its better to ply our trade in the 3rd world.
Smut Villain
01-18-06, 02:50
...don't usually quote it in "net after tax" terms. The only person with "big money" that I have ever seen do this is a dumb hillbilly that has owned a little chain of tire stores for about 50 years.
If they intend to dazzle you, saying "I make 750K " is substaintively more impressive than saying "I take home over 400K".
If they wish to remain modest or ambiguous, they will say something like "I make a six-figure income", or even "I make a fairly healthy income", if answering at all.
Eau de bullshit.
B9K
I usually take these posts with a grain of salt. The funny thing about the internet is that the relative anonymity allows you to assume any persona you like. Of all these guys claiming to make a gazillion dollars a year, I'll wager that more than half are lying through their teeth (or their keyboards...). Besides, in most cases the truly wealthy (in my experience) either don't care or don't feel the need to announce their financial status; having everyone know you're loaded can come with its own set of problems.
CBGB said...
Proof that non-American women can be just as mercenary as their US counterparts. Its actually not hard to find someone who really loves you but judging someone because of their appearance is complete stupidity. If I met someone who is very attractive with a good personality versus a knockout with an attitude I would choose the former.
Very true. Just keep in mind that the woman in the post is in America at the moment. Once they enter the US it is a whole new ballgame. Maybe their friendly personalities disappear a little bit as the AW's here clue them in to the fact that the system is set up in their favor, everything revolves around their twat, and men will jump through razor coated hoops for their attention. In the past couple of years I've dealt with women that are not US citizens giving me every game in the book and flaking out like frosted flakes and for what reason I dont have a clue as all of them dont have a pot to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in, much less a decent man.
Just think, when you leave the US and go most places around the world after a couple days you realize life is on a whole different level/matrix for a man. Getting pussy morning noon and nite gives you that no bs aura and foreign females do not even attempt to run game on you. Once you get with the program you feel invincible and are able to call all the shots in your favor as far as woman go. In America thats how the woman have it.
I usually take these posts with a grain of salt. The funny thing about the internet is that the relative anonymity allows you to assume any persona you like. Of all these guys claiming to make a gazillion dollars a year, I'll wager that more than half are lying through their teeth (or their keyboards...). Besides, in most cases the truly wealthy (in my experience) either don't care or don't feel the need to announce their financial status; having everyone know you're loaded can come with its own set of problems.
I agree with this statement..... for the old money guys that have worked hard and are very wealthy, they generally have nothing to prove to anyone.
CBGBConnisur
01-18-06, 17:35
If you bring a foreign woman into the US, and if she is beautiful and exotic, the circumstances and ball game change completely. You might have been worth something to her in her home country, but now back home she has the ability to play the field, in your ballpark. The biggest red flag is if the lady wants to marry you after a couple of days. I have actually known guys who have met the lady of their dreams, brought them back home, only to see them change(develop an attitude, become fat and lazy, etc.). The real downside of the US dating scene is that the US attracts international gold diggers, people tell me women are difficult to figure out at least in the context of the modern dating scene, BULLSHIT. If you look like Brad Pitt, have a seven to eight figure bank account, live in a mansion or penthouse, you can literally tell the top 3 percent of American women "You come here and suck my dick."(although guys like Pitt don't have to say it out loud). There was an interview on channel 2 with Derek Jeter, the reporter was walking with Jeter around NYC, and everywhere gorgeous women would approach Jeter, for someone who lived in New York this is a near impossible feat for the average Joe, I've never had strange women approach me in public places in New York.
I have met a lot of hot foreign women from some pretty remote areas of the world, Eastern Europe, Asia, Latin America, etc. who moved to the US, they all wound up with rich spouses. That is certainly not an accident.
http://www.blowmeuptom.com/
I happened to catch a bit of this guy's syndicated radio program.....he was "preaching the gosphel" knocking on AW game playing, using sex as a weapon, counseling guys to "ditch the b....h, and taking on AW bitches who call in to attack his "chauvinistic" and "mysoginist" views.
I have been reading this thread with interest & realise of course it centers around American women, but it could easily be western women as a whole, its absolutely no better over here in UK / Europe, worse in fact. The whole system, social & judicial, is wieghted in there favor & the biggest mistake a man can make is getting married. Pre-nuptual agreements are not worth the paper they are written on, once you are legally married. 365days after the legal marriage date they are legally entitled to a minimum of half / 50% of your estate regardless. Any male who enters into that kind of a contract needs there heads testing.
The much publicized CSA in the UK was created for no other purpose than the state to profit, they of course have the so called moral high ground, which they use to justify the CSA's existance. However in truth, it has not gone after absent parents, only men ( they cannot supply a list of absent female parents persuede !! ) who are already known about & easily "caught", in other words least amount of outlay for maximum profit. What they actually take off there victims financially is NOT what is given to the other parent, the governement takes a cut, BEFORE, it reaches them. Therefore the motive is for ludicrously high monthly payments because there % will be higher & once they have secured there cut, there interest vanishes, the other parent may or may not receive the remainder, depending on what sort of a farce is made of the payments.
They are not chasing any actual absent parents, there's no profit in it.
If all this goes to the courts, the chances of the father getting custody are virtually nil, these decisions are made on a financial basis only, not the good & benefit of the children involved or who might be the best parent to have custody. 99% of the time the father will be the major provider ( highest wage earner ) therefore the courts decision will be made on the basis of greatest % for the state. There are no other factors, despite the CSA, courts, & state representatives trying to say otherwise.
On top of that the women can make a career out of CSA payments, marry have children as early as possible, divorce, claim, then start the process again, do this 4 times & the income she gets will be quite satisfactory. The CSA, courts & state will not bother taking into consideration what the receiver of the present benefit my be getting in total, only the case in hand will be considered. That way the state makes more money.
Western women don't marry the person they love, or the person they like to have sex with, they can get sex anywhere, anytime, with anyone they choose. They marry the best providers who have an acceptable estate which they can have 50% of with a little administrive inconvenience when the divorce comes. Not if, when, that was in the plan from day one !!
Then of course you have to get to the point where you might actually get a sniff of beaver, before you fall into the marriage trap. This will either be made fairly easy, if she isn't that attrative or popular, or, as difficult as possible if they are attractive & sexy. But whatever they are, come the 365th day of legal marriage the sex will start to dry up, the BBBJ's will stop, the anal will stop & generally they will make themselves as sexually unattractive as possible, so that they can blaim you for loosing interest in them.
For those who have had to endure the dating game, but are not "flex crush", don't look like the latest female heart throb, & are not loaded, this will be an up hill struggle to say the least. Once western women understand how much pleasure they can derive from there beaver, there interest level in using it increases a great deal, but in the early 20's they suddenly realise it can be used as a weapon, bargaining tool & money maker. This is the point you can hear there legs bag shut alover the western hemisphere. Then the real scam starts. You will be expected to provide the following prior to any affection / beaver contact being delievered. Free safe taxi service to all & sunder, free drinks at the bar, nightclub, restaurant etc, free entry to the cinema, nightclub, free food everywhere & anything else they can rip you off for. If you don't pay out, the old cherry "your selfish" statements flow fourth, funny how that does not apply the other way round. But you will pay, because there's always the hint of a sniff of beaver in the back ground. But don't think just because you have paid, you are going to get something for it, other than the privelage of there company. As they knew the evening was going to a free night out for them, of course they are going to go out, but it may only be a "scouting party" to allow them to see whats available in another area / place / club / bar etc free of charge. Your just the soak who is providing the free services, transit, food, drink, entrance fee's etc. At the end of the evening, when you were hoping for that sniff of the beaver, out will come some patronizing statement / comment & a little peck on the cheek, & bye bye. ( Cheers easy !! ) If you do get to the beaver stage, they either don't know what they are doing, won't let you do anything, or simpley make you feel like they are doing you a massive favor, & hurry up, .... have you finished yet !! You paid out & got precious little in return, & what you got was probably begrudged. Someone once said to me, "all western women are prostitutes, its only the currencey & media that changes". I initially dismissed the comment, but the more you think about it the more truth there is in it.
Western women have but one agenda, themselves, at someone elses expense !!
It is unfortunate that the majority are ruining the image of the few genuine western women around, the chances of them finding a genuine bloke reduce almost daily as the "scam" becomes more & more common knowledge amoungst the male community.
Is it any wonder there are so many mongers about, the latest news on brothel legalization / legislation in the UK sparked off up-raor amoungst the "FemiNazi's" & an absolute tidal wave of ludicrous remarks made by various women interviewed. They just don't get it, remarks like "I don't understand why so many men need to use prostitutes", merely serve to underline the fact they have lost the plot. If alot of these stood in front of a full length mirror in the nude, it might just occur to them why. If they dropped the attitude & freeloading, opened there legs & enjoyed sex more instead of using it as a weapon, they might just find rewards more valuable than money.
I have been mongering around the world for 27-28years, while my outlay has been considerable, it has all been on a pay as you go deal, & I have probably sampled over 1000 GG's in ( & a few TS & LB's ) P4P worldwide. In the long run I will be better off financially, but probably very lonely in my old age, big deal. Most western women will have jumped ship way before you have reached old age & took half your pension & assets with them.
Having sampled such a large selection, I can safely say some of the nicest females I have ever met are in Asia & South America. I would expect relocating them into our western societys will allow the rot to set in & you may end up no better off, but its a chance that might just be worth taking. Its easy to say poverty breads this type of nicer women, but so does a culture. I find myself much more relaxed & enjoying being with women in these destinations & I actually enjoy taking them out & trying to be Mr Nice & treating them like a lady, because they still are. The whole go out together, dine, wine, 69 deal seems to be so much more fulfilling. I am not under any illusion that I am paying someone to be nice to me, & its a complete charade on there behalf. But thats no different to taking a western women out, except they produce considerably less in return, In fact I would say they actively try to produce as little as possible in all respects of going out, money, attention, affection etc.
Long live the monger, for he has seen the light !!
Angus Magee
01-20-06, 15:37
American Women vs Euro Women jpeg
http://www.funnyjunk.com/p/euro_vs_america-jpg.html
CBGBConnisur
01-20-06, 19:22
A very true comparison, another thing, a lot of European women often have an "odor", they don't bathe regularly. One good thing about Europe is at least you can flee to Russia or the Mediterranean countries. For those of us in the US, our government has completely fucked up relations with South America that its really hard for us to flee to those locales.
Robin,
Damn, that was great report. I thought that things were better for guys in the UK but I guess not.
When it comes to the economics of marriage vs. mongering, I agree that you're far, far ahead with mongering. Just ask any guy who has been through a divorce here in America.
There's a classic movie here called "The Last Detail" where Jack Nicholson told Randy Quaid, "Kid, pussy costs and you pay for it - one way or the other." That line kind of sums it up for me.
Sinanju Master
01-21-06, 15:42
women have HALF the money and ALL the pussy
Guys
Take a second and report this james d 2004 to jackson. His posts dont make any sense and he wont stop with them. Hes completely cluttering up this thread and it pisses me off when I read this thread every day.
I totally agree with you. I get a migraine just trying to read his posts. I've bannished him to my ignore list.
I agree,
If one tries to read his posts (which are virtually unreadable) it becomes obvious that he's off in his own strange fantasy world.
I still think the best thing would be for everyone to ignore him. Eventually, he'll get bored and quit making his goofy posts.
Rock
JD2004,
Please try posting somewhere else...... otherwise.
pokayah ......jue lei lo moh!
Rock
Member #4351
01-22-06, 15:46
What did you do with the rod?
CBGBConnisur
01-23-06, 03:19
one thing i have noticed about a lot of women outside of north america is that they have better listening skills. its so much easier to communicate with them even without knowing their language. over the course of thousands of conversations with women around the world, its much easier to get your idea across to someone outside the us or canada. aws and cws tend to have louder voices than their counterparts elsewhere. i have had the experience of having a group of women in a room, both european and american, i have said some things to the aws, and it goes straight through their ears. with the euro women, they really listen and keep their eye contact. maybe european women watch less tv and all that other shit. being "loud" seems to be a good thing for most aws. women in a lot of other places don't tend to be in a big rush as well, so i often have more time to make a pick up. with your typical aw, she wants a 30 second pitch or get lost loser. i have even talked to an american woman who is a sex therapist and she admitted that aws are like this, sell them or they will drop you, most of us are lousy salesmen. the same lady also admitted that european women were a lot more open about sex than their american counterparts.
James, perhaps you can approach Jackson about getting your own thread. That way we can read your writings in a more suitable atmosphere. I, for one, enjoy in your posts; however, I would enjoy them more in another location. Just a small suggestion.
yo,
http://www.nomarriage.com
if you do it, be sure to have a prenup that's in your favor. if she refuses, then she just wants some power and control over you. just bite the bullet and dump her. i hope that she agrees to the prenup for your sake. married sex is safer and better... if she does it with you regularly, which most married men will tell you it doesn't happen! make sure that the prenup says she will have sex with you daily. if it's not in the prenup, then she is not obligated to do it and divorce will mean an ass-[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) for you! i wish you the very best.
good luck,
drjoker69.
guys,
here is a fairly young monger... i'm 29 y.o. i traveled to thailand, russia, and cyprus to practice the hobby. currently i'm not practicing the hobby because i am involved with a wonderful woman. i am seriously torn inside. on the one hand, i like the company of this woman and feel that i can have a future with her. on the other hand, i know, if i marry her i'll miss activities like picking up gorgeous women from moscow nightclubs or fucking thai go-go girls. when i do a reality check, i have only four weeks of time for the hobby, the rest of the year i live my ordinary life with friends, family etc. it doesn't seem very reasonable to sacrify an entire life for a few moments of wild fun. but, then marriage... is it any good? people who've seen more of life, i appreciated your input. how was your marriage experience like? would you prefer a stable ok marriage to the hobby? why- why not? people who are older than 35, single and committed to the hobby- how do you feel inside? is the hobby sufficient for your satisfaction and happiness or are you craving for a deeper connection with a special someone? and those of who are cheating on your wives- how do you guys feel? lots of questions... i appreciated if you would offer your two cents...
...Make sure that the prenup says she will have sex with you daily...Good one! Dr. Joker, you've lived up to your name.
There is a USA Sex Guide link on the main page of this site.
No offence, but although we do have one ******* babbling about his (delusional and fantasy) reports about encounters with USA prostitutes, this is not the appropriate place to post those accounts.
The general topic of discussion on this forum is relating to, understanding, and coping with "normal", or at least non (overt)-prostitute American Women.
Jimmy,
May I suggest a long, private chat with Nibu Raphael. You guys have a lot in common.
. . . But just don't make me read it.
Thanking you in advance, -P
My apologies to whom it might concern for posting on the wrong thread.
I did not mean to upset anybody. As for the term "*******" ( same to you).
Now, fuck off, BASTARD!
Why don't you actually READ my post. It wasn't very long
You may have missed the parts where I said:
"NO OFFENCE"
And also "ONE *******", which was NOTreferring to you, but the schmuck who is clogging up this board with his delusional, irrelevant bullshit.
Doctor_Skank
01-24-06, 21:18
CBGB:
You are right on about the loudness of AWs...
One basic thing most of them lack is eroticism... they simply arent erotic. You dont get the kind of erotic vibe from most AWs... even the top drawer kind... that you do out of even average European and EE girls. It is like they are taught to be either non-sexual or sexual in the most basic way. A bore. No wonder they are drawn like a moth to a flame to basic modern American symbols of male sexuality... car, clothes and cash.
American women get so jealous when they witness really feminine women of a foreign origin.They tend to look at them as lower class or cheap for flaunting their beauty.
Another look I love to see is western women in dark skinned countries absolutely confused when the average clerk in a store is way more beautiful then she is.I've noticed women immediately talking down to the store clerk.Western women are way too pampered and spoiled...too many facials...too many massages...and way too much credit for what most of them really are.
On my last trip to peru I became friends with a scrawny australian backpacker who made it known she had a boyfriend (in the first 20 minutes) who asked me what kind of women I like.I pointed to an average peruvian women who was obviously of low income status but so well put together and oozing with pride.The australian girl gave me a gross and confused look and said "really" .
They have no idea about style or personal pride. Anorexia and gucci doesn't make you beautiful! You cant buy style nor can you buy pride.I love the way little round latin women still work it to the T I have no problem going a little chunky in the latin world in america they have no style no flair and no self pride..all of which make you beautiful.
Last point..." I love to see women of minorities out do well funded white women" the look of confusion is priceless.If they would only realize the attitude has so much to do with beauty.You either have it or you dont.
Suave Gato
01-25-06, 01:03
Art,
I have to say you are right on most points. I am headed to Peru tomorrow. I have been many times in the past, but for some reason I can not get them out of my system. A friend of mine has a hot Danish chic who wanted to share the apartment I am renting (I told him no way) Danish chics are probably worse then their American counterparts.
Erotic or Exotic?
I often confuse confuse these terms. As a rule SA women are among the most erotic to be sure, when you add in a little blood from a "Peruvian Amazon girl" or "Charapita" is when I find i have discovered a whole other experience.
I would strongly recomend the guys crying in their beer over AW, Take a trip to one of the worlds most amazing countries and experience some of the worlds most amazing women!
CBGBConnisur
01-25-06, 02:18
American women get so jealous when they witness really feminine women of a foreign origin.They tend to look at them as lower class or cheap for flaunting their beauty.
Another look I love to see is western women in dark skinned countries absolutely confused when the average clerk in a store is way more beautiful then she is.I've noticed women immediately talking down to the store clerk.Western women are way too pampered and spoiled...too many facials...too many massages...and way too much credit for what most of them really are.
On my last trip to peru I became friends with a scrawny australian backpacker who made it known she had a boyfriend (in the first 20 minutes) who asked me what kind of women I like.I pointed to an average peruvian women who was obviously of low income status but so well put together and oozing with pride.The australian girl gave me a gross and confused look and said "really" .
They have no idea about style or personal pride. Anorexia and gucci doesn't make you beautiful! You cant buy style nor can you buy pride.I love the way little round latin women still work it to the T I have no problem going a little chunky in the latin world in america they have no style no flair and no self pride..all of which make you beautiful.
Last point..." I love to see women of minorities out do well funded white women" the look of confusion is priceless.If they would only realize the attitude has so much to do with beauty.You either have it or you dont.
And Australian women are actually an improvement over their US counterparts, tells you how bad American women really are. Oh yeah, I hate to get into race arguments, but women of any ethnic group in the US are all the same, I used to live in a culturally diverse city, any women Asian, African, European, South American, etc. who lives in the USA for a while is pretty much an AW no matter that she has an accent or a darker skin tone.
CBGB:
You are right on about the loudness of AWs...
One basic thing most of them lack is eroticism... they simply arent erotic. You dont get the kind of erotic vibe from most AWs... even the top drawer kind... that you do out of even average European and EE girls. It is like they are taught to be either non-sexual or sexual in the most basic way. A bore. No wonder they are drawn like a moth to a flame to basic modern American symbols of male sexuality... car, clothes and cash.Ding Ding DIng! Winner winner winner!
Well said, brother. American Women are not sensual at all. Not naturally, like European or South American wimmins. There are a couple of European women that come into my gym. You can almost tell them off the bat, they actually make eye contact and smile. And not the fake smile AWs posses, a real genuine smile.
Best statement ever!
F
CBGBConnisur
01-25-06, 22:53
Judging someone by race or ethnicity is completely foolish and shallow. Making a judgement about someone based on the place where they live and their surrounding culture might be more accurate. I knew a lot of Asian women in New York, most of them grew up or spent a considerable amount of time in the USA, culturally they have nothing in common with women from Asia. I have met other ethnicities as well, the American women mentality is infused into these women as well, I read an interview with an Indian-Canadian model and some of her views were absolutely arrogant. Society plays a major part in a shaping a person's views. One of the most nasty examples of American woman that I knew was a Korean American girl in high school who told me her jacket was worth more than my life when I asked her out for a date. The best thing is just to get out of the USA, the only decent enclave in North America for meeting fun women in my experience has been Quebec, particularly Montreal.
I have had amazing experiences while on vacation in Europe, so obviously this is a cultural issue. If you look it up the European Union's economy is roughly the same size as the USA, but despite living in affluent and prosperous societies, European ladies don't seem to have the same arrogance and obsession with material desires as their American counterparts. You could go to Germany, visit an FKK brothel, and have sex with a playboy quality woman for less than the cost of a lap dance at a dumpy titty bar in the USA.
Cebu Local
01-26-06, 00:45
I agree with CBGB that you cannot generalize on ethnicity.I am friends with an American woman who was born in the PI,Went to school in the PI and she is very Filipina in her outlook on life.She has a totally UnAmerican attitude and She finds that her Stateside Sisters "maltreat"their men from her point of view.She regularly cooks,Does Massage and helps her boyfriend.Enviroment has a role too.
A vague article that touches on the surface of $$ and divorce with AW:
Demystifying the Power of Moolah
By Sheerly Avni, AlterNet. Posted January 24, 2006.
In her new book, 'Money: A Memoir,' Liz Perle argues that when it comes to their wallets, women still have a long way to go.
"Women, emotions and cash." This is the subtitle Liz Perle chose for her new book, Money: A Memoir, a brutally honest look at how women's conflicted relationship to money holds them back in love and life. We know more about our friends' sex lives, she says, than we do about their pocketbooks, and women are still caught in a push-pull of desire for cash and shame over that desire. Perle doesn't offer any easy answers, but she forces us to ask hard questions about one of our deepest taboos. And asking the questions is the first step.
AlterNet met with Perle in her San Francisco office and asked her all about sex, love, divorce court, double-ovens, and how to decide who should pick up the check.
In this book, you argue that money is always a fraught symbol.
Yes, it always carries the weight of something else. Money for men is power, it translates into sexual power. And for women, it's an aphrodisiac, because for centuries, women could only survive by attaching themselves to people who had money.
So I'm reducing here, but it seems that in the first half of the book you say that for men, money means power, and for women, money means love and security. But then at the end, you reinterpret that formula and say actually that for women too, money means power, which is why our relationship to it is so problematic. But when you say "power," what exactly do you mean?
Power: independence, freedom, the ability to make your own decisions.
Why wouldn't we want that? Why would women have a hard time embracing it? Isn't that exactly what women have been fighting for?
OK, you've got to look at how fast this has all happened. This is where the women's movement to me, is alive and well.
Move back a few generations: My grandmother's relationship to money was indirect. She didn't work. My mother, she went to college and she worked, but then she met my father and stopped working. Now, she died, so I don't know what would have happened, she might have gone back to work. That was a shift, but the money was still expected to come from the husband. The image of nirvana that was being broadcast was still the idea that the husband brought home the money.
Remember that the media creates norms. The Cleavers never existed, but how many people do we describe as Eddie Haskell? The media images are archetypes for us, so my mother felt perfectly secure depending on my father.
Now, today society will judge me on two different scales when they weigh my worth: 1) the amount of money I make and the prestige of my position, and 2) my ability to attain the womanly arts: to marry, to reproduce, to keep a nice home.
What about attractiveness?
Oh, that's part of the womanly arts. Implicit in that is that you've got to look good enough to get there in the first place -- and then keep yourself there.
So here I am: I have both those values systems inside me, I'd have to be the girl in the bubble not to. Each of those value systems contains a specific relationship to money. ... One is direct, the other is indirect. And I've spent my life ping-ponging back and forth between the two.
So you are in this constant state of turmoil between two ideals, two archetypes, and when you have two ideals that are discordant, it makes for a lot of conflict and ambivalence. It's these two different value systems that operate in our society, whether or not we accept them, and they pull us apart.
In your book, you say that the younger generation is different from your generation. What's the difference? Are the conflicts resolved? You found the younger women to be less conflicted.
Yes, I think younger women are more comfortable with their material sides And I'm not sure that's all to the good. The person who reflected the healthiest relationship to money was this one woman, Anna. She knows that cash is just cash. I admire her, because she's got a very clear sense of what cash can and can't do. What they don't have is a sense of fiscal responsibility, they've been raised in a society of credit card debt. That will be their challenge.
It's also more expensive to be middle class than it used to be.
[Laughs] Ah yes, the poor middle class. First of all, what constitutes the range of what we call middle class these days is huge. And I call it an emotional state more than just a financial one. It's an emotional middle class because it's about belonging to a group of people that has enough money to satisfy their material needs and yet feel secure.
Now most of this has been financed by debt, which is not a good development. When I first started writing this book, the average debt of an average family was $8,000. A year later, when I finished, it was $9,000. People save less than 1 percent of their earnings. Look at our country! The fish stinks from the head down.
Photo credit: Steven Pressman
So we may be more comfortable with our material expression, but we sure haven't figured out how to live within our means. And part of that is because we still get confused between what we need and what we want.
Can you give me an example of something you think you need, when really you just want it?
Oh my god. A double oven. All I want is a double oven. And to get that double oven I would need a new house! I have this tiny kitchen, I'd have to get rid of a bathroom to make room for the oven. So I know I just want it, but I tell myself I need it. How am I gonna cook this pot roast, and dessert!
But you know, people have managed this crisis for thousands of years.
OK, so to take the bigger issues of how money plays out in a marriage to something smaller, like a date. What would be the ideal way to handle the dinner check?
I think the healthiest thing is if people don't even make it an issue. Look what it's doing, it's carrying all this emotional freight. What is it, for real? It's a dinner check, it's not anything else. There is a whole industry that has built itself around the idea the fact that we are all too happy to let gifts do the talking when it comes to love. Or sex. Or lust. The ideal thing for a dating situation is to see that dinner is dinner and it costs something, but that's it. There's nothing else to say.
You wrote this book for women. If you were to write a version of Money: A Memoir for men, what would you have to say?
You are more than your wallet. Start valuing yourself by contributions that have nothing to do with what you earn.
You know if I were a man, I'd have an answer for that: "Easy for you to say -- every woman I meet wants to know how much I make."
Sure, and you'd be right, but this is where social change comes in, with the awareness that there is a social prism. Gloria Steinem said, "No social change without men, too." And money is definitely a man's issue as well.
I think men's ambivalence comes from the fact that on the one hand they want to be evaluated by the money they make, because it creates a very clear hierarchical goal which is comfortable and easy to tell where you stand in the pecking order. And also they are very aware of being short-changed because they don't get honored for other things, things that they don't get compensated for. You need a lot of inner strength to make a lot less than your wife. You've got to think well of yourself.
So men are split in two different directions as well, but the conflict plays out differently?
The point is that we all need money to survive. We all want money to be comfortable and secure. And we all desire money because it creates social mobility, power. I would like to see that desire go gender-blind.
How relevant do you feel arguments like this are to women who are not members of the middle class? In lower-income, inner-city com***ities, for example, where the woman is usually the primary breadwinner?
Well here's the thing, when you're writing about money, there is not one truth, except that we all need it. But you're right, and that almost stopped me from writing the book. I called my agent and I said, "You know, I can't do this. I'm giving the advance money back, I'm writing this middle-class book "
And my agent said, "AND? These people don't need to wrestle with these issues?" He was right. The middle class are the people going into debt. They're not planning for their old age, they're raising children on credit. Basically, just because you're middle class doesn't mean you're not fucked up.
And if you're working class, you don't have a lot of these problems, you have other problems, which trump them. There's a food chain of issues. If you're working for survival, you're not going to be dealing with guilt. You're going to be dealing with sustenance. So there is a hierarchy to these demands. And maybe it was self-justification, but finally I realized that my feeling so guilty about writing a book about self and women, was just another form of guilt about money.
Sure -- the first thing you were going to do was give the publisher his money back.
There you go, and what was it? Guilt over being a member of the class of disposable income.
You write a good deal about how questions of what you were entitled to played out in your own divorce. And of course this goes directly to the way we do or don't value child-rearing and taking care of a home as work. Not on the level of feelings or self-respect, but literally on the legal level, when you start talking about divorce settlements.
It really varies state by state. We live in a country that has a very uneven playing field regarding divorce. If I had gotten divorced in California, I'd be a very wealthy woman. California, and the other equal property states come closest to recognizing that you don't need a pay stub to work, that the assets which accumulate in a marriage are the product of everyone in that marriage.
I know many wealthy women -- there's one woman I interview in my book -- who got divorced a couple of times, who will be paying huge amounts of alimony to her ex-husbands. It cuts both ways: Very fair, gender-blind makes sense. Not always fairly meted out, but in principle it makes sense.
But then you go to a place like Connecticut, or New York, or other states which are not equal property states, and you have to prove that what you do is work. Because we're still on the gold standard. We only accord the appellation "work" to something we pay taxes on.
But look, I work as hard at home as I do in the office. I'm not paid for it, but in a divorce I'd better look at what I'm doing as work, and not be ashamed of saying so and asking for it.
Where does that shame come from?
Well, as I said, it's this very schizophrenic feeling about money, where they feel ashamed to ask for it, where they feel that it's a handout in some way -- because someone else has the pay stub. But the fact of the matter is that frequently the person wouldn't have that pay stub without your hard work. And until you can look at that without guilt or embarrassment, you're not gonna be paid for what you do.
Sheerly Avni is a San Francisco-based writer.
Here's a link to an article that feeds on more of the feminists bs about AW being underpaid and under-represented:
http://www.motherjones.com/news/exhibit/2006/01/limited_ambitions.html
One Wing Low
01-26-06, 05:56
I am appalled at all the bashing of American women in this forum. I am pretty sure majority of American women are not spoiled, greedy, demanding, materialistic, rude... Every country has good and bad people. What is significant is the relative ratio of the 2 populations.
Perhaps the bad attitudes are associated only with the specific population you gained exposure to. It should not be generalized to the entire population. It seems to me that people with less education, or come from disadvantaged backgrounds, are more likely to be self-centered and abrasive to others.
The vast majority of American women I know are fair, polite, humble, loving, caring, sharing, giving... They are generally taught to be independent and self-reliant, but fair and reasonable to everyone. If you have differences with them, just give them good, calm arguments, you will be surprised how flexible AW can be, and how quickly they can change their minds and manners.
My favorite nationalities, in personal interactions, are in this order: English, American, Dutch, Swedish, Argentinian, Japanese, South Korean, Spanish, French, German, Italian, Portuguese, Brazilian, Mexican...
Of course my fluency in respective languages and my personality are major factors, so my experience is completely personal and probably different from everybody else. Also as I gain more exposure and experiences, my preferences may also change.
Just be level, fair and reasonable with the people. Try to have some fun with them. You'll be surprised of the good nature of humans.
One,
No one is saying that all American women are 100% bad to the core. It is not reasonable to make a 100% generalization about a large group of people. I know some real sweethearts, although they are outnumbered by bitches about 10-1.
However, in the last 50 years, American women have attained a disproportionate amount of power, and this has thrown gender relations into chaos.
Prostitution in the US is illegal. Women have a near complete say in whether or not men can have access to the satisfaction of a basic biological need.
The relative ease with which one can live here in the US makes seeking the shelter and protection of a good man optional. In other societies, men are treasured because of this. Here we are if one is to believe the media, feminists, etc all, we are "the stupid gender", and the butt of jokes.
The ease with which a woman can get a divorce (no fault), compounded with heavy legislative bias towards women, has turned marriage into a big lottery ticket for women. Married men are now held hostage by their wives ability to cause them financial ruin by not acquiescing to her wishes and whims.
In the workplace, ambiguous definitions of what actually constitutes sexual harassment, has resulted in an environment where a woman can ruin most any man's career given even the slightest provocation....innocent and intentional or not. The burden of proof in this situation falls upon the man....and it is extremely difficult to prove a negative.
This is just a quick overview. Women basically now have ALL the power, and act accordingly.
Men, to the perception of the average moderately attractive American woman are a resource with an infinite easily accessible supply, and therefore zero value. They can be, and are heartlessly exploited. Women, are in this country able to access everything from drinks at a bar to her monthly rent (Ok, this is extreme, but it does happen-not every woman is that cutthroat) by the slightest indication that they will be amenable to giving out sex (or love, companionship, etc)...and they feel no remorse whatsoever for failing to uphold their end of "the bargain"...they view it as just "the way of things".
For more additional examples, search Chocha Mongers posts....a few months ago he posted an article about "Female Players"....perhaps he would be so good as to re-post it.
That is all,
B9K
PS .56 for every 1.0 for AW is bullshit. As I recall, the actual statistic (possibly controlling as I recall for high paying but nasty dangerous work that most women don't want to do, and also for "time out" for "the Mommy track" ) is 1.01/1.0.
i agree with you…… the habitual bashing of american women on this board is often unfounded. although much of it can be attributed to just blowing off steam, few of the men who advance such arguments have actually resided long term as an expat in another country and then brought their imported woman back to the usa. perhaps more importantly, some of these fellas have been burned by aw and then raped by the legal ramifications of a divorce. but most all women are vindictive creatures; it’s just that in america and a few other nations the courts allow that vindictiveness to manifest itself punitively with respect to the man’s wallet. whose fault is that though? it’s our fault for allowing such laws to be created. like natasha, su yang, or azalea wouldn’t do the same if the laws in their countries allowed them to. and once they get to the west they seem to absorb the worst that american has to offer (unbridled materialism) without retaining our values (solid protestant work ethic, ambition, morality, and respect for the rule of law). that’s a combustible combination man: wanting it all but not willing to work for any of it.
i lived 75% of my working life abroad and have come to the final conclusions. aside from a handful of countries: the rest of the world is a shithole, many people in the rest of the world live a hard life (almost hand-to-mouth existence), the people are fucking idiots, the people have no real ambition, and they are inherently dishonest.
take for example romania, a country on the verge of eu membership. while bucharest is great, if you drive 25 minutes west you can come to towns with no running water, no flushing toilets, and electricity only provided by a gas driven generator a few hours each day. fuckin’ medieval.
the main reason why the girls spread their legs for men they consider to be effeminate suckers masquerading as walking atm machines is because they know we are unlikely to beat them and likely to feed them.
every third person in ee is a lawyer, economist, or real estate agent with a graduate degree. yet, they are utterly incapable of analysis and defending a position based upon logic and supported by facts. give these people a lsat in their own language and they’d fail miserably-- unless they stole the test the night before or bribed the proctor. my company hires the best and brightest of the universities here and most of them are only good for regurgitation and presence. yea a jap can make a tv do the running man across the room but he learned to do it while in america. he wouldn’t build jack if we didn’t give him the direction to. many foreign women have no ambition but to make babies and look pretty—even the upper-class and educated ones. fucking, cooking, and cleaning is the extent of their career plans—they just want to do it in a luxurious environment. once they are married they don’t further themselves anymore. conversely, many american women take pride in their careers and constantly seek to improve their lot in life. my first job out of college was as an analyst on the street. i thought i was rich with my total comp being about 80k a year. negative ghost rider. after uncle sam, pataki, and bloomberg got their cut i couldn’t afford the new bmw i always wanted. and i even lived in my old room on 116th street for half of the year!! the fact is that you need a double income nowadays to live good. and if you import some foreign chick she’s a financial liability because her degree and skill-set is useless in america unless she’s a nurse.
say what you want about america but we are a god fearing and honest people. these ee, la, and sea, and afr women lie, bribe, and cheat since the day they are born; it’s a necessity of life there. but once your values are formed as a child it’s hard to abandon them. do you really want a liar, morally-- well, ethically-- bankrupt person living in your home? i worked briefly in law enforcement too .do you know who perpetuated most of the complex scams and frauds? ees and las. and these people were educated and well off.
foreign women have a ghetto materialism about them. they are showy, ostentatious, and constantly seeking to one up the next girl. american women are not like that… as much.
the grass is always greener on the other side, especially for someone from a richer nation going to a poorer nation for snatch. also, if one is retired and not looking to play the game of lfe any longer then living in some developing shithole is ok with the internet and a sling box—as long as you don’t need advanced medical care. my pops found that out the hard way, but i guess he was never happier frolicking around the philippines with girls a third of his age.
conclusion: american women are not so bad if you have your shit together and want to foster success. however, it is wise to get a prenup.
bart: before i posted my diatribe i didn’t read you message. i can’t refute what you are saying, but the only alternative is to reside in a country much poorer than the one we currently live in. (although someone may say that australia doesn’t involve much of a negative tradeoff.). are most men willing to do that? i also destet the fact that aw use pussy as a crutch to get what they want after they have already committed to a relationship. funny, i actually had a terrible fight with my x-russian wife because she has bad migraines and didn’t tell me when she had them when i came home drunk and horny. she said that it was her “duty” to be with me when i wanted her. no aw would be such a trooper. but she made me feel very awful when i found out her migraines.
I watched a documentary on CNN and dateline earlier this week about an AW who dressed as a man to explore the man's world. She was shocked at how alot of AW women treated men....she stated that women had all the power. On more than a few occasions she tried to pick up a few ladies and was rejected or completely ignored. It's just a fact of life that alot of AW are just plain nasty. Unfortunately it's the men(AM) who have created these monsters.
Well written post but I'd like to add to it if I may.You talk about people living hand to mouth which is an uffortunate situation and does not create a stable enviorment. However these guys are still in the game they still date and they still get pussy regardless of their financial status and position in the world .Hell I see immigrant workers on the subway with girls I'd like to sleep with who have nothing but they still get acceptance and love from their female counterparts.
My argument is that here in western culture you dont have that compassion there are way too many men who are just forgtten about who aren't even close to being in the game and never will be and it's just an accepted part of our culture.It's almost understood from an early age "you'll never find a girl if you dont...." these guys aren't in the game because of x amount of dollars or position(quote"american women want to better themselves") etc.etc. So what do you make of your life when you dont add up and the chances of you finding someone to share your existence with are null and void unless you want to bang left over scrap meat and you see your fat ugly abusive snotty counterparts with goo on their fingers.It says you lose in this game go fend for yourself and to add insult to injury you have no outlet to pleasure yourself except $500/1000 greedy hoes who cant even perform like a $25 coma striken streetwalker from TJ.
It doesn't add up you just can't say good riddence to more than half of the male population and god bless the guys who settle and stick it out with the less than average but your getting played again.
* I've always wondered how I would get medical attention while living in a thirld world country if I really needed it.
One Wing Low
01-26-06, 16:04
hi dirkdingy,
thanks for your support. i am just trying to be honest and fair to all involved.
the laws in most us states aim to protect the interests of both parties and their children in cases of divorce. once the parties are divorced, all is fair for them to exploit the laws to their maximum advantage. i've known a few high-achieving women who pay big chunks of their income for child support and to their men who earn less.
it's unfortunate that a lot of people treat their mates better when they were dating, and lot worse after they entered into marriages. with all the talk about nasty divorce fights and legal obligations, a lot of people are just afraid of the messy consequences, so they never get married at all, or they marry with big prenup agreements. a lot of upwardly mobile women that i know end up living with the men they love without marriage. the law cannot intervene in those cases.
in fairness to all, i am fortunate to have known a few american women who were and are some of the sweetest, gentlest, kindest, fairest, loving and fun creatures on earth. like in all countries, it's a matter of actively looking, trusting your instincts, finding compatible mates, then treat them with fairness, sincerity and honesty to prevent heartaches and headaches.
business-wise, i found the majority of americans tend to conduct themselves with much higher standards of ethics, fairness and respect for the laws, compared to most other peoples.
i would rather read stories of good human relationships in all countries than those that focus narrowly on personal failures.
i agree with you…… the habitual bashing of american women on this board is often unfounded. although much of it can be attributed to just blowing off steam, few of the men who advance such arguments have actually resided long term as an expat in another country and then brought their imported woman back to the usa. perhaps more importantly, some of these fellas have been burned by aw and then raped by the legal ramifications of a divorce. but most all women are vindictive creatures; it’s just that in america and a few other nations the courts allow that vindictiveness to manifest itself punitively with respect to the man’s wallet. whose fault is that though? it’s our fault for allowing such laws to be created. like natasha, su yang, or azalea wouldn’t do the same if the laws in their countries allowed them to. and once they get to the west they seem to absorb the worst that american has to offer (unbridled materialism) without retaining our values (solid protestant work ethic, ambition, morality, and respect for the rule of law). that’s a combustible combination man: wanting it all but not willing to work for any of it.
One Wing Low
01-26-06, 17:29
..., expect to be spurned by the majority of straight people.
I watched a documentary on CNN and dateline earlier this week about an AW who dressed as a man to explore the man's world. She was shocked at how alot of AW women treated men....she stated that women had all the power. On more than a few occasions she tried to pick up a few ladies and was rejected or completely ignored. It's just a fact of life that alot of AW are just plain nasty. Unfortunately it's the men(AM) who have created these monsters.
Sinanju Master
01-26-06, 17:29
First of all, I'm not posting this to bash anyone, BUT it appears that a couple of you have not read certain past posts that put this in perspective. Allow me to regale you with the most heinous example: A bud of mine met an AW in December '95, proposed on Valentine's Day '96 and got married that following May. I was the best man, and at the wedding, away from earshot of the groom, I made a bet with his sister that the marriage wouldn't last six months. I won. Here are the nasty details. After the marriage, his blushing bride turned into the Wicked Witch of the West. My bud found out that he was hubby # THREE, not # TWO (which he stepped in when he married her) AND she attempted to sue him in order to have HIM pay off debts she incurred BEFORE they got married. ALSO, she attempted to make HIM pay for the removal of her breast implants. After the divorce was FINAL, she had one ace up her sleeve: she sent her daughter (from a previous marriage) over to his house to "say hello" and to make it look like there were no hard feelings. This daughter, who was already experiencing puberty and looked nice for a girl her age, inherited the devious nature of her mother and my bud knew it. He knew that if he let her in the door, she would claim he tried to molest her, so he slammed the door in her face. I have other, less outrageous examples regarding other friends, but I feel THIS story has made my point. Once you get married to an AW or an AMERICANIZED foreign woman, you can kiss your life as you once knew it, GOODBYE! The courts are biased in favor of women and they KNOW IT! The courts OVERWHELMINGLY see the woman as the more qualified caregiver, even if said woman has qualities that state otherwise. OF COURSE AW's are gonna appear sweet to you before they are married, because they are like the Venus Flytrap: sweet-smelling and personable until their true nature arises, and then SNAP! Poor schmoe is locked in her clutches until he agrees to divorce with the stipulation that he "support her in the lifestyle to which she became accustomed" which, loosely translated means that she can sit on her ass and get fat while she goes out to fuck other men while her ex finances her lifestyle. Prenups? I'm hearing more and more all the time that after a while, they are tossed out or later invalidated for various legal reasons. Dirkdingy, if your pops was happy frolicking after young honeys, why are you criticizing his decision? I hope I'M doing the same when I get a lot older. I can make one of two decisions: marry and eventually find out that my bride had an agenda that is detrimental to my well-being (financial or otherwise), have kids and accelerate the taxing of my mental and physical well-being, OR I can make MORE than enough to retire on and chase young honeys and have them WHEN I want, for as long as I want and be done with it, removing the emotional and sexual BLACKMAIL that AW's are so skilled at. The grass may be greener as many see it, BUT at least if you don't get married, you don't have the roots fastening you to the ground with no hope of escape when things turn sour for the long run. Also, never in any of my posts have I said that 100% of AW's are not worth being given the time of day, BUT I DID say that seeking a specific grain of sand on the beach is a waste of time.
In closing, yes, we American Men have created a monster regarding this dilemma of the balance of power. A couple years ago, I DISAGREED strongly with this idea and flamed a guy (Miller2K) for it to no end. He was right and I was WRONG. Too bad he's not here to accept my apology... again this is not a flame to you, Dirkdingy or One Wing Low, BUT I feel you two are missing a LARGE part of the picture.
Little off topic perhaps, but it might help cool things off a little.
Has anyone read the book "The Game" by Neil Strauss?? It's a great read (entertaining) but also if you are into picking up women (the "non-pros"; AW or otherwise) it has much to offer. Would like to hear other people's opinion of the book (if they have read it ;-))
Cheers.
Like Natasha, Su Yang, or Azalea wouldn’t do the same if the laws in their countries allowed them to. And once they get to the West they seem to absorb the worst that American has to offer (unbridled materialism) without retaining our values (solid Protestant work ethic, ambition, morality, and respect for the rule of law). That’s a combustible combination man: wanting it all but not willing to work for any of it. Funny how you generalize, despite generalization being (one of) reason(s) you posted this in first place.
I lived 75% of my working life abroad and have come to the final conclusions. Aside from a handful of countries: the rest of the world is a shithole, many people in the rest of the world live a hard life (almost hand-to-mouth existence), the people are fucking idiots, the people have no real ambition, and they are inherently dishonest.Wow, you are definitely not going to win any popularity contests with such attitude. Let me remind you that chasing women is all about being popular, unless you don't mind get involved with women on money basis. The latter undeniably leads to plain divorce, even if you suggest some kind of foreign women's emancipation, once they get to the U.S.
Take for example Romania, a country on the verge of EU membership. While Bucharest is great, if you drive 25 minutes west you can come to towns with no running water, no flushing toilets, and electricity only provided by a gas driven generator a few hours each day. Fuckin’ medieval.Obviously just like in any arbitrary shithole in the South or Midwest. Check out this set of images (http://www.drbukk.com/gmhom/park.html).
Honestly, Romania is Europe's by far, poorest country with exception of God forgotten spots like Albania and Moldova. It's also a so called 'candidate country' and and none of them is known for prosperity and abundance. Not even across the EE spectrum. However, these countires change a lot, and after completed negotioations and gained membership, things get better, which is also reflected in prices. Remember when mongering was cheap in Czech Rep. ?
Every third person in EE is a lawyer, economist, or real estate agent with a graduate degree. Yet, they are utterly incapable of analysis and defending a position based upon LOGIC and supported by facts. Give these people a LSAT in their own language and they’d fail miserably-- unless they stole the test the night before or bribed the proctor.
My company hires the best and brightest of the universities here and most of them are only good for regurgitation and presence.Since you refer to LOGIC, you basically say that the "best and brightest" graduates from U.S universities are good for nothing else but "regurgitation and presence". While their EE counterparts are "utterly incapable of analysis and defending a position based upon LOGIC". And apparently you are a genius graduated from.... the Academy of Outer Space?
Yea a Jap can make a tv do the running man across the room but he learned to do it while in America. He wouldn’t build jack if we didn’t give him the direction to.So the dumbass Japanese have to come to America and learn from genius Americans how to "make a tv"? Are you out of your mind or what? Japan is number one in home electronics no matter your low regard for Japanese engineers. Besides, if the Japanese had to learn how to "make a tv" they would come to Germany, since Germany was first to manufacture electronic television sets back in 1934 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tv#Broadcasting). And if not for defected German Nazi scientists (see Wernher von Braun), there would be no American rocket and missile program. Who knows, maybe no trip to the Moon either.
Many foreign women have no ambition but to make babies and look pretty—even the upper-class and educated ones. Fucking, cooking, and cleaning is the extent of their career plans—they just want to do it in a luxurious environment.You say foreign, I say both American and foreign. More than half of the women in my neighbourhood in S.F were housewives. During my time there, I learned that families where women were housewives, especially in upscale neighbourhoods, were considered more well off than families with working wives and husbands. Assumption of their husbands making shitloads of money, intended, of course. The vast mojority of these women were bimbos who fortunately got married up and were busy looking good while their husbands either worked their ass off or were "working late tonight". And ironically the more hours they work, the harder it gets to keep the marriage hot. Actually I don't blame women for being lazy or whatever we want to call such lifestyle. Hey, I would be more than pleased to stay at home if someone brought me money. Why not play some golf, or go sailing with buddies? Work? Work is for losers.
Say what you want about America but we are a god fearing and honest people. These EE, LA, and SEA, and AFR women lie, bribe, and cheat since the day they are born; it’s a necessity of life there. But once your values are formed as a child it’s hard to abandon them. Do you really want a liar, morally-- well, ethically-- bankrupt person living in your home? I worked briefly in law enforcement too .Do you know who perpetuated most of the complex scams and frauds? EEs and LAs. And these people were educated and well off. Foreign women have a ghetto materialism about them. They are showy, ostentatious, and constantly seeking to one up the next girl. American women are not like that… as much. Haha, you are living in a bubble. Ever heard of [http://www.urbancougar.com]Urban Cougars? No, they are not a band and they are not god-fearing, neither are they honest. They are American women though.
One Wing Low
01-26-06, 18:42
What came to my mind are the flight attendants on American Airlines flights on Sept 11, 2001 out of New York and Boston. They were of Caucasian, Asian, African descents. They all struggled heroically and died their gruesome deaths at the hands of the bastardly terrorists in protection of their passengers.
Or the flight attendant in the Air Florida crash in the 80's, who was freezing to death in the Potomac river, but struggled to give the helicopter lift to her male passengers.
Or Melinda Gates, who gave away half of her family net worth (probably her half) to the tune of $30 billion, to improve the health of poor countries.
These incidents were well documented. I am sure there are many other American women in other professions who have similarly high standards of responsiblities and ethics. These American women are fine examples of how humans of different ethnic origins can be educated and developed by their culture to act responsibly, even to care for others before themselves.
If anyone knows of any such fine examples from other peoples, please share them with us.
If you like 'em you can have them all, they don't interest me at all. Have you watched divorce court recently??? Try watching it and tell us what you now think about AW.
What came to my mind are the flight attendants on American Airlines flights on Sept 11, 2001 out of New York and Boston. They were of Caucasian, Asian, African descents. They all struggled heroically and died their gruesome deaths at the hands of the bastardly terrorists in protection of their passengers.
Or the flight attendant in the Air Florida crash in the 80's, who was freezing to death in the Potomac river, but struggled to give the helicopter lift to her male passengers.
Or Melinda Gates, who gave away half of her family net worth (probably her half) to the tune of $30 billion, to improve the health of poor countries.
These incidents were well documented. I am sure there are many other American women in other professions who have similarly high standards of responsiblities and ethics. These American women are fine examples of how humans of different ethnic origins can be educated and developed by their culture to act responsibly, even to care for others before themselves.
If anyone knows of any such fine examples from other peoples, please share them with us.
I'm caught in a bind here having to choose between dealing with and taking my chances on AW/ Americanized foreign women in sex prison, USA or foreign/ non-Americanized women abroad. In all fairness to what has been posted here lately and in trying to strike a balance between what One Wing Low and Dirkdingy have stated and what Sinanju Master, CBGBConnisur and the majority of the posters here usually have to say - I'm stuck in a rut. Maybe you fellas can provide with some substantive and useful advice.
I agree that most AW/ Americanized foreign women in sex prison, USA suck but at the same time, my limited experiences with foreign/ non-Americanized women abroad has only been slightly better. Maybe it is because I'm seen as a walking ATM or U.S. visa opportunity or because they become attracted to the fact that I don't live there and that I'm different or treat them in a different way. Or perhaps, because I don't really know them, they can get away with more. Yes, outside sex prison I'm able to talk to and go out with women in their early twenties (a decade younger than me) where as in sex prison, my choices basically range from late, late twenties and beyond. Nothing wrong with this only that women in that age group tend, for some reason or another, to have been previously married (one or more times) and with kids. Meaning baggage and not only in the physical sense, but in the emotional and mental senses as well.
For some odd reason also, women in this age group in sex prison tend to be overweight / obese. Perhaps due to the bad eating practices we all tend to engage in (i.e. McDonalds, the lack of regular or any exercise, etc..) in comparison to foreign/ non-Americanized women abroad. Unfortunately this also applies to us guys (in terms of being overweight and obese - in all fairness here). I also notice how much more demanding AW/ Americanized foreign women are and how devoid of reality they can get to be. This in spite of the aforementioned issues (baggage, obesity, etc..) which strike an amazingly contrast to what's fantasy and what's reality.
My point is, I'm stuck between having to live in a fantasy/ alternate reality myself by boycotting dating in sex prison, USA and resorting to emails, letters, MSN Messenger, long distance phone calls with possible candidates abroad. Not to mention having to shore-up enough cash to be able to go overseas for a couple of weeks at a time (once or maybe twice a year due to vacation rules, schooling and monetary issues) or taking my chances here at home daring the shark-infested and shallow waters of dating AW/ Americanized foreign women. I just hate living a celibate lifestyle 95% of the time in order to be able to experience a short-lived, but pleasant lifestyle that our ex-pats experience year-round abroad (kudos to CBGBConnisur and his ilk). Maybe I should invest my hard-earned cash here at home for a while and test the waters and take my chances in finding that diamond in the rough by dancing to the dating tunes and jumping through the razor-coated hoops in the possibility of getting some snatch without having to travel so far. What do you guys think? All answers will be sincerely appreciated.
Sinanju Master
01-26-06, 23:19
Cyberdas, you laid out yourself in your post, the options that are before you. That shows me you have been giving it some thought. I am not telling you what decision to make. HOWEVER, realize that IF you do get married to an AW, YOU CAN NEVER GO BACK. Once you get married, even if you are initially happy, you will one day look at another woman and dream of what could have been. Not saying that your betrothed is in any way shape or form a HOG, but, being a guy (and depending upon the power of your sexual desire/drive) you WILL LOOK. What happens if the sex goes bad due to the actions or inactions of one or BOTH of you? That will start the long decline in a soul-robbing marriage that could have been avoided by observing your compatability for a longer amount of time BEFORE getting hitched. At times, I've read articles where even the seemingly HAPPIEST couples wouldn't get married to the same spouse if they had to do it all over again. I think that a hybrid situation is best for you: a LTR WITHOUT the "ring". My 2 cents...
Sinanju Master
01-26-06, 23:31
If one looks in on this board for the first time, he/she would think that this is just small minority of guys who are bitching about AW's without justification. However, MANY of us here have had bad experiences with them, and we're just a small sampling of the MILLIONS of men who DON'T even KNOW about this site. Try multiplying the number of experiences of ALL guys who have had the unfortunate experience of being on the wrong side of a rude, unmannered, overly self-important, selfish AW. The numbers are staggering...
One Wing, but this is kind of silly.
Let me flip this on it's head. There are accounts of the heroics of men, dating back to earliest records of civilization.
However, some percentage of men (of the same gender that has been heroic since the beginnings of civilization) are logically suboptimal (yet AW are still drawn to them like a moth to flame) to have a relationship with...alcoholics, druggies, players, irresponsible, immature (I can't throw too many stones at that one:) ), cheaters, self-absorbed, lazy, cruel, abusive........
Now, since a percentage of men are (by logic)severely suboptimal for purposes of relationship, isn't it logical, and reasonable that a certain percentage of women in this country are also suboptimal. All that is left is to argue about the percentages, which I personally maintain is about 10-15% of the men, and 85-90% of the women.
Adding on to Sinanju's point, by the way, a lot of guys, not having been abroad, don't aren't even aware that there is a problem...they grew up with American Women, and haven't known anything else.
What came to my mind are the flight attendants on American Airlines flights on Sept 11, 2001 out of New York and Boston. They were of Caucasian, Asian, African descents. They all struggled heroically and died their gruesome deaths at the hands of the bastardly terrorists in protection of their passengers.
Or the flight attendant in the Air Florida crash in the 80's, who was freezing to death in the Potomac river, but struggled to give the helicopter lift to her male passengers.
Or Melinda Gates, who gave away half of her family net worth (probably her half) to the tune of $30 billion, to improve the health of poor countries.
These incidents were well documented. I am sure there are many other American women in other professions who have similarly high standards of responsiblities and ethics. These American women are fine examples of how humans of different ethnic origins can be educated and developed by their culture to act responsibly, even to care for others before themselves.
If anyone knows of any such fine examples from other peoples, please share them with us.
One Wing Low
01-27-06, 07:06
It's really hard to dispense advice without knowing the people involved and background information. The only people who like to give advice are consultants who charge a lot of money for ideas you already have and convince you they are best for you. It's really up to you to have the courage to make the right decisions, the willingness to do hard work to make things work, and the toughness to face failures, adjust, then try again.
You should define what you want out of your relationships with women, considering your personality and lifestyle, then target the women most likely to suit your needs. That way you would more likely succeed.
My own experience is that women in US and Western Europe are more secured economically and socially, and are usually more capable of doing things without strings attached. Women in third world are less secured and usually have, or feel, lots of family obligations. Sooner or later they will put a lot of strings on their relationships. The differences in language, values, attitudes ...can also bring on a lot of strains.
American women are indeed a tough breed. They will challenge their mates in many ways. They do play some tough games in the dating scene. They want to be won over by strong and smart men, not given away free to pushovers. It's just inherent female instincts to make sure they select the best mates to perpetuate their genes. To strong men, those character straits are just fun and interesting. To weaker men, the challenges may be too intimidating.
You have to truly believe you are smarter, tougher, more flexible than your opponents, and decide and act accordingly, to win. You'll be surprised how easy it is to conquer and score with American women.
If you are serious about someone, test out their values and their attitudes for compatibility with yours. If they don't match yours, find someone else. There are plenty of fish in the sea. You just have to practice building up your tough skin and not let the rejections bother you.
It's much more fun to have loved and lost than not loving at all. Engage every woman you meet with your lively personality. Have fun with your life and give no shit about the rude and nasty trash. Be rude and nasty back at them to teach them good lessons.
I'm caught in a bind here having to choose between dealing with and taking my chances on AW/ Americanized foreign women in sex prison, USA or foreign/ non-Americanized women abroad. In all fairness to what has been posted here lately and in trying to strike a balance between what One Wing Low and Dirkdingy have stated and what Sinanju Master, CBGBConnisur and the majority of the posters here usually have to say - I'm stuck in a rut. Maybe you fellas can provide with some substantive and useful advice.
I agree that most AW/ Americanized foreign women in sex prison, USA suck but at the same time, my limited experiences with foreign/ non-Americanized women abroad has only been slightly better. Maybe it is because I'm seen as a walking ATM or U.S. visa opportunity or because they become attracted to far. What do you guys think? All answers will be sincerely appreciated.
Cebu Local
01-28-06, 00:31
What came to my mind are the flight attendants on American Airlines flights on Sept 11, 2001 out of New York and Boston. They were of Caucasian, Asian, African descents. They all struggled heroically and died their gruesome deaths at the hands of the bastardly terrorists in protection of their passengers.
Or the flight attendant in the Air Florida crash in the 80's, who was freezing to death in the Potomac river, but struggled to give the helicopter lift to her male passengers.
Or Melinda Gates, who gave away half of her family net worth (probably her half) to the tune of $30 billion, to improve the health of poor countries.
These incidents were well documented. I am sure there are many other American women in other professions who have similarly high standards of responsiblities and ethics. These American women are fine examples of how humans of different ethnic origins can be educated and developed by their culture to act responsibly, even to care for others before themselves.
If anyone knows of any such fine examples from other peoples, please share them with us.
Yes,There are Fine American women.But they are a SMALL MINORITY.Congratulations for those who have gotten partners from this minority.But what about the bitchy MAJORITY??????10-20% of AW for 70-80% of AM does not compute
Thanks Sinanju Master and One Wing Low for your much heeded advice. I'll try my best and my darnest in overcomming the endless obstacles and roadblocks that exist in the uneven, unrealistic and usually unrewarding world of dating AW/ Americanized foreign women. I'm taking the plunge to see if I am able to at the very least get to meet them - make their acquaintance per se. I would have to be able to meet them first and then take things from there but doing that seems like a herculean, near impossible feat.
In general, American Women suck. Of course I live in Los Angeles, one of the toughest cities to date in the world. Let me put it to you this way: I have never ever had a girlfriend from Los Angeles. All my GF have been from other cities or countries.
I agree with the following quote from one of Furiouz' post. Since I also live in Los Angeles, I can say the same thing. And I thought I was the only one thinking like this. IMHO, Los Angeles is probably worst than NYC for dating. It is virtually impossible getting to meet AW here let alone dating them. The one good thing about this place, though, is the 2 hours drive from Tijuana, Mexico. But after a while, that could get old and quite honestly, I feel burned-out from the trips and the emptiness of mongering. Yeah, sure, I get to fulfill my physical pleasures, but emotionally I'm no better off. I also suspect that getting involved in a LTR with an AW and marrying one will not be any better either, especially in the long run. I'm so confused........
Sinanju Master
01-28-06, 03:45
Cy, if by some incredibly lucky roll of the dice, you hooked up with a SANE, loving, giving, thoughtful AW who doesn't have some hidden agenda that will lead to your detriment, then by all means, keep her like the jewel she is. I'm not telling you NOT to get hitched, BUT work out any issues you may have. If you're totally into this chick and KNOW that she's of sterling character, and you have your mongering desires out of your system, then your path is clear. REMEMBER, though, that if you get hitched and soon find out that you are having doubts, you can't treat the marriage like an unwanted gift that you want to return. It wouldn't be fair to her. Did I just SAY THAT? LOLOL Seriously though, before you take the matrimonial leap, be ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN!
Astor B
Maybe the show on TV featured the author of the book "Self Made Man." It is by lesbian author Norah Vincent and details how she passes as a man for a year to male friends, joins bowling leagues, and works at male jobs. The book reviewer says "amusingly, Vincent is utterly astounded by the amount of rejection and hauteur that heterosexual men put up with."
There must be at least one million nice, kind, considerate, pretty, intelligent and fun loving women in America, who may even be slim, and good company. As there are an estimated 150 million females in the US, that group of 'nice' American women accounts for less than one percent. I like America, and always enjoyed my time there while visiting. But not seeking any companionship from either SWF or SBF, for that I will head East where the girls are prettier, slimer, kinder, more gentle, certainly more fun to be with, as PC has not reached there yet, but mutual respect has (yes, that applies to the 'bar girls' as well). Of course each to his own, there is nothing to stop anyone to spend a small fortune and get almost nil return in America (may be just an ear ache!), or in Western Europe (where you may get more than just an ear ache!). GFE?! Wot?!!
Doctor_Skank
01-28-06, 20:10
Only in America would a woman like this sue for sexual harassment... you'd think she'd be happy to get any play at all...
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=nyr10101271308.knicks_thomas_harassment_suit_nyr101&prov=ap
Or do you think maybe Isiah Thomas mistook her for ex-Knicks forward Charles Oakley?!
Sorry if I am being mean and I dont mean to underplay sexual harassment, but my goodness! Either she's the money-hungry wench that cried wolf as Isiah says, or Isiah needs to seriously consider some therapy.
Doctor_Skank
01-28-06, 20:37
Cyberdas:
IMHO, unless you are going to found a family, there is absolutely no reason to get married. There is NO advantage whatsoever for the man, essentially he is emasculated by marriage and voluntarily surrenders 50% of his future income to a person whom he may love at the time, but whom he cannot entirely trust. Its a sensitive issue of course because when in love it always seems permanant and one wants to give 110%... we've all been there.
But people can change over time... and not just the girl... and love isnt inherently a permanant condition.
Love and marriage can work, but in today's times it is much more difficult to keep a marriage together than it was 30 years ago. If the culture had been different 30 years ago, a lot of the seemingly happy marriages that our parents' generation enjoyed would have failed and ended in divorce.
I am not making a moral judgement on the issue because I understand the longing for a monogamous, secure and loving relationship that many men harbor... but also caution at taking that "gigantic" step without really knowing what it means.
Love and marriage are more than just expressions of affection and love, they are commitments that bind in ways most men dont even consider or comprehend when uttering "yes, I will" at the altar. I think most women have a much more realistic stance on this, even though it may not be superficially apparent. They certainly understand the financial security aspect of it though and even though ideally their primary motivation is in fact love, they also know that a girl has to get the best "package"* she can when getting hooked.
* no pun intended
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