American Women

[Sinanju Master]

It's good to occasionally have the voice of eloquence chime in and further clarify what one of us didn't at first.

To get only slightly off-topic, I wanted to mention the actual ceremony (marriage). I often see in the media American Women obsessing over even the tiniest details and turning from mild mannered Bruce Banner into a raging Incredible Hulk if things don't go their way. I don't ever hear about such outrageous behavior regarding marriage ceremonies overseas. Also, does anyone remember Courtney Thorne-Smith (formerly of "Melrose Place", presently of "the World According to Jim")? She had an incredibly pricey wedding and she obsessed over tiny details, only to get DIVORCED 8 MONTHS LATER! That tells me that AW's are concerned MORE with the ceremony than the actual union of two (allegedly) loving people. Just think, they have this big ceremony and reception bash afterwards, and then the hard work begins. Kind of anticlimactic, wouldn't you think? Add that to the possibility of her FRIENDS one-upping her if they get married AFTER her, then the cauldron is further stirred.

[Voyajer1]

In all fairness, AW have forgotten a long, long time ago that they are......Are you paying attention? That they are WOMEN!!! It's a sad thing to see how they try and take over complete control of every aspect of a gentlemen's life to the point of complete emasculation. I've lived all over the world, so I speak from an educated and informed point of view on this matter: American Women: You can't marry them, but they are a lot of fun once they give in. Take them out, screw them, tell them you love them if you must (Cross your fingers!), but do not, ever think of getting serious with them. Now, if you travel around a little, you will observe women, enjoying the fact that they are...women. They appreciate who you are, they know what you want, and are usually willing to take care of your needs. They may have hidden agendas, but are willing to go home without circling the bases if you know what I mean. It's astounding how much time, money and energy it takes to get anything from our AW. Life is too short and time too valuable to waste it trying to play the game AW set up for us. They take, take, take and sometimes give just enough to keep you around. You travel, and women are available like food at an all you can eat buffet. It's up to you to decide if it's worth your time.


I'm caught in a bind here having to choose between dealing with and taking my chances on AW/ Americanized foreign women in sex prison, USA or foreign/ non-Americanized women abroad. In all fairness to what has been posted here lately and in trying to strike a balance between what One Wing Low and Dirkdingy have stated and what Sinanju Master, CBGBConnisur and the majority of the posters here usually have to say - I'm stuck in a rut. Maybe you fellas can provide with some substantive and useful advice.

I agree that most AW/ Americanized foreign women in sex prison, USA suck but at the same time, my limited experiences with foreign/ non-Americanized women abroad has only been slightly better. Maybe it is because I'm seen as a walking ATM or U.S. visa opportunity or because they become attracted to the fact that I don't live there and that I'm different or treat them in a different way. Or perhaps, because I don't really know them, they can get away with more. Yes, outside sex prison I'm able to talk to and go out with women in their early twenties (a decade younger than me) where as in sex prison, my choices basically range from late, late twenties and beyond. Nothing wrong with this only that women in that age group tend, for some reason or another, to have been previously married (one or more times) and with kids. Meaning baggage and not only in the physical sense, but in the emotional and mental senses as well.

For some odd reason also, women in this age group in sex prison tend to be overweight / obese. Perhaps due to the bad eating practices we all tend to engage in (i.e. McDonalds, the lack of regular or any exercise, etc..) in comparison to foreign/ non-Americanized women abroad. Unfortunately this also applies to us guys (in terms of being overweight and obese - in all fairness here). I also notice how much more demanding AW/ Americanized foreign women are and how devoid of reality they can get to be. This in spite of the aforementioned issues (baggage, obesity, etc..) which strike an amazingly contrast to what's fantasy and what's reality.

My point is, I'm stuck between having to live in a fantasy/ alternate reality myself by boycotting dating in sex prison, USA and resorting to emails, letters, MSN Messenger, long distance phone calls with possible candidates abroad. Not to mention having to shore-up enough cash to be able to go overseas for a couple of weeks at a time (once or maybe twice a year due to vacation rules, schooling and monetary issues) or taking my chances here at home daring the shark-infested and shallow waters of dating AW/ Americanized foreign women. I just hate living a celibate lifestyle 95% of the time in order to be able to experience a short-lived, but pleasant lifestyle that our ex-pats experience year-round abroad (kudos to CBGBConnisur and his ilk). Maybe I should invest my hard-earned cash here at home for a while and test the waters and take my chances in finding that diamond in the rough by dancing to the dating tunes and jumping through the razor-coated hoops in the possibility of getting some snatch without having to travel so far. What do you guys think? All answers will be sincerely appreciated.

[Bart9000]

I'm glad this came up. Been meaning to rant on the subject for awhile. Although I, like Cy am kind of kicking around the idea of "settling down", I consider "The Wedding" alone to be justification not to take an American girl. Spending a healthy five, or even SIX figure sum for the express purpose of showing off and one upping her girlfriends, in a game of materialistic stupidity.

I've seen guys marry Russian girls in a documentary. They go out to the banks of a whatever river runs through St. Petersburg, have the priest, conduct a ceremony, with a witness or two, and then run off somewhere to bang their pretty young hot new wife.

Now, I'm not quite so crass or whatever, as to do that exactly....only for fear of offending my own family by excluding attendance. But I think they have the right general idea.....Priest, scenery, a big tent, a band, and maybe a grand worth of booze. But you would never get away with that with an AW, who has been fetishizing "the day" since she was 6

[DJ FourMoney]

now, i'm not quite so crass or whatever, as to do that exactly....only for fear of offending my own family by excluding attendance. but i think they have the right general idea.....priest, scenery, a big tent, a band, and maybe a grand worth of booze. but you would never get away with that with an aw, who has been fetishizing "the day" since she was 6

only if she's been down that road before.... its kinda like a used car, once you drove it off the lot its not worth the same, so the cost of getting married goes down quite a bit.

in fact, alot of them settle for a quickie at city hall or combine it with a trip of vegas and be content with a few days in a hotel, so they could be away from their children...

i've said it before and i'll keep saying it -

there plenty of nice ones out there, the problem is the nice men out number them like 10-1. i shouldn't have to low ball myself just to get laid or have a relationship and my skillz aren't so bad that i need to go outside of the us and pay to get laid.

my trip is more of a fact finding mission than anything else, but since mongering is accepted behavior, i would like to experence getting some booty and paying for it and getting more than a peck on the cheek, lips, warm handshake or even less.

my grapes aren't sour, i'm just tried of playing in the minor leagues when i should be playing in the majors, and the girls won't knock me for not achieving the "status" they need to present their friends and family with.

that's where i'm at..

[DJ FourMoney]

I'm glad this came up. Been meaning to rant on the subject for awhile. Although I, like Cy am kind of kicking around the idea of "settling down", I consider "The Wedding" alone to be justification not to take an American girl. Spending a healthy five, or even SIX figure sum for the express purpose of showing off and one upping her girlfriends, in a game of materialistic stupidity.

I've seen guys marry Russian girls in a documentary. They go out to the banks of a whatever river runs through St. Petersburg, have the priest, conduct a ceremony, with a witness or two, and then run off somewhere to bang their pretty young hot new wife.

Now, I'm not quite so crass or whatever, as to do that exactly....only for fear of offending my own family by excluding attendance. But I think they have the right general idea.....Priest, scenery, a big tent, a band, and maybe a grand worth of booze. But you would never get away with that with an AW, who has been fetishizing "the day" since she was 6

Too bad I don't speak Russian and most Russian women aren't "down for the brown" if you know what I mean, otherwise I would have made the trip out there and come back with some "vodka" of my own.

" I really should have more control over things like this...." - Dr Martin Luther King on The Boondocks [adult swim]

[Capt Ajax]

Too bad I don't speak Russian and most Russian women aren't "down for the brown" if you know what I mean, otherwise I would have made the trip out there and come back with some "vodka" of my own.

" I really should have more control over things like this...." - Dr Martin Luther King on The Boondocks [adult swim]

With Romanian and especially Russian women, color has nothing to do with whether they'll go out with you, it's also about the big green(cash money).

[Rock Dog]

Some recent comments have been made for, and against AW's. One guy said he'd met many that were kind, thoughtful, caring and just overall nice wonderful people...... blah blah blah! Whatever!

Of course there's lots of nice ones out there. I'm sure some of them are even fairly attractive as well as being fun to hang out with. But, under what circumstances....... and for how long? A lot of women are good looking when they're young. A lot of them are nice to young when things are good. But just wait 'till things start going wrong. Guess what? It's always the guys fault! I guarantee you that's how your "nice girls" will see things. We'll see how nice they seem after a year or two...... that's the real test.

As for getting married..... don't do it unless you absolutely want to settle down and have kids. Otherwise you're taking a really big chance with years of your life and piles of your money.

My own experience with marrying a foreign woman has been positive in an overall sense. However, it's been tough cutting back ( WAYyyy back) on my mongering activities.

I'd estimate your chances for success as follows:

Finding an average looking local girl and staying happily married....10 - 20%.
Finding a good looking local girl and staying happily married....10% or less.
Finding a good looking foreign girl and staying happily married.... 50% or less.

It's a crap shoot no matter what.... no 100% certainties no matter where you go. If you think that Russian women, or any other women are gonna be some kind of magic solution, you're wrong. Women are women everywhere. No matter which country you choose, your best bet will be to find one from a small town. Big City girls are usually a lot more spoiled and materialistic.

Rock

[Artisttyp]

Russian women might be pretty but man are they bruts.I've never dated one but I have been around a few (went to a russian owned barbering school) .Way too much man juice for my blood but your right they dont give a crap about you just your money.

[DirkDingy]

With Romanian and especially Russian women, color has nothing to do with whether they'll go out with you, it's also about the big green(cash money).

I just left Romania about a week ago and have spent a tad more than a year in Russia and I can't agree with you. Russians are very nationalistic and quite racist. The men much more so than the women, but most of the women will not date a black and the vast majority of them won't be seen with you in public. They have a very low opinion of blacks in general...they also call blacks niggers and don't realize that it's offensive...Moscow is big enough where you can go to black clubs and find pretty girls though; however, that place is not safe for blacks. If you get caught in subway after a soccer match lets out you can easily be beaten and stabbed to death while the cops watch.

Romania isn't a whole lot better, but they will kiss your ass if they think that you are someone important. They are not violent and will rarely say anything to your face either. We have a base in Constanza and some of the black guys get an awkward reception when they romp around town with local girls. The Ramonkas don't say anything, but if looks could kill.

That being said, both Russian & Romanian students and Romanians abroad seem to be very open to interethnic dating.

Nevertheless, it seems like every Romanian chick who worked on a ship fucked with a brotha or three.

Belarusians seem to be a bit more open than Ukrainains and Russians. Also, in Russia, the Russian girls that are mixed (Jewish, Georgian, Kazak, etc) are sometimes more open-minded (and prettier) than the straight Slav Russians. Siberians are more open as well as Slavic Russians from Central Asia.

Of course, there are always exceptions.

Just my humble take.

[Doctor_Skank]

JD2004:

You wrote:

"There are lots of misleading generalizations presented here. For example, AW are fat. But this is at most arguable. The BMI measure of obesity in USA is between East and West Germany. The well off Middle Eastern countries is way more heavier. And Eastern Europe isn't far behind than USA. South America doesn't have statistics. If you really want thin women, Asia is the place as the percentage is in the low single digits."

Your statistics are worthless. The only thing that matters to the mongering public is the relative shape or obesity of girls between 18-30.... and in this category, US women lose badly. Sure there are plenty of hotties in the US... but they are statistically relatively few and for many guys "out of reach".

As for Eastern Europe not being far behind the US in terms of obesity, you obviously havent been there... or of you were, your eyes werent open. Trying to find a fat young girl im EE is really a difficult task... I am not kidding. If anything, the girls there are too skinny for many guys taste.

German girls are fatter than EE girls, but still comparitively thinner than US girls.

I had a chance to observe a group of US high school students on exchange in Germany.. the US girls were in an utter state of shock at how poorly they compared to the local girls. The local girls were much thinner, much better dressed and much more clued in to the ways of the world than their US counterparts.

Never forget that the US is an island. :)

I've travelled the world extensively and although generalizations and prejudices are often unfair or exaggerated, they are usually rooted in some common truth. As for American obesity... I am afraid that it is true.

[DirkDingy]

I'm sure that your stats are accurate but I've seen more fat women in America than anyplace else I've been in the world--45+ countries. My gut also tells me that American women don't try as much to impress people where their counterparts in poorer countries do. Thus: Foreign women let themselves go after marriage compared to American women that stay fat if they were fat prior to marriage. The gym bunnies remain gym bunnies after marriage. Like this partner at my company that goes bezerk if she doesn't get in her 45 of cardio and 40 minutes of weights each day. Literally, she'll start rocking back and forth and begin twitching if she doesn't work out. When we travel she'll get up at like 4am before our flight and workout. Fuck that. I'm still sleep. My days of regimented strength & conditioning are luckily over.

[Ezinho]

and my skillz aren't so bad that I need to go outside of the US and pay to get laid.


DJ, this quote sounds like a lot of what my buddies in the States say, or would say to me. I´m assuming maybe you´re around my age (late 20´s-early 30´s) so maybe I can relate. I know guys in the US that would rather bludgeon someone to death than pay for pussy, because they have `game´, or because paying for pussy is only for `losers´. These are the same guys that spend 100´s of dollars to take some fat american girl out to dinner, shopping, movies, all that crap, and get NOTHING in return. Yet I told a buddy of mine in the States that I banged a hot Colombian chica yesterday here in Quito for $20, and I get an e-mail from him giving me shit for paying for pussy!

Is it just me or is something wrong with this picture?

[Doctor_Skank]

Russian women and brothers:

I am not black, so take my account with a grain of salt.

I agree with DirkDingy. Some black guys may do well in Eastern Europe or Russia, some may even do very well... but it isnt necessarily because Russians are so keen on black guys or want their money... its because there are so many great women in Russia that pretty much anybody can do well if they apply themselves correctly. And black guys, if they play to their strong points, can get play anywhere.

Even at that, 90% of Russian girls wouldnt even think of dating a black guy, let alone fucking him. They are xenophobic.

Still, black guys might be very happy with the 10% that do go for a brother.

Also, everybody who thinks they know Russian girls based on the *****s and students they met somewhere other than Russia doesnt know Russian girls. You'd be surprised about how little most of them care about your money... its not the money per se that attracts them... its your relative success in life. They adore strong successful men.... and they want passion and fun and if you can give them that, you've won them over. Just my 2 cents.

Ezinho:

You are right on. I get play for free all the time, but still love to pay for it at times because there is some seriously hot pussy out there for the paying public. I find paying for it sometimes actually helps my game when chasing freebies. I rarely have the look of desperation that will doom any chance to get laid. When I am desperate, for whatever reason, I usually fail miserably.

Many guys thinking paying for pros is an act of desperation. Its not, its an act of FREEDOM.

[Bart9000]

DJ-Your comment about the "second time through" cheaper wedding (and easier as a whole to obtain women)is I'm sure true (I'm looking at settling down by the way, like Cy). However that brings up a second point-all statement of opinion of course.

Being mid 30ish, there is an outside possibility that if I drop the last 20 pounds and make my beer belly go away, get a nice job/have success with my little business, upgrade my wardrobe, and buy a shiny new car, etc (I am working to improve all, except the car-we've had this discussion), I could get some sweet little thing, fresh out of college and ready to settle down.

However, in this country, the percentages are stacked against me. Ballpark estimate, 95% of the women available to me for settling down or dating are the members of one or more of the following classes:

1. Divorcees-I'm not an expert on divorce, and could certainly be wrong, but (speaking in generalities-there are always exceptions) I'm of the opinion that most of the causative factors in essence boil down to (possibly a combination of) one of two factors : A-she was too big of a bitchy, psycho, greedy, demanding, sex-depriving, whatever for a man to live with and why should I take up where he left off....B-she was stupid and married (in essence) a (I'm sure sexy, dramatic exciting) loser/scumbag who beat her, ran around,was a drunk,wouldn't hold down a job et all...my job as a boring "nice guy" is to pay for her previous mistake, by accepting her past her prime, aging widening ass, and elevating her back to the status of a "provided for' married woman.

2. Single mothers-personally, I'm not overly fond of children, although I am sure I would like my own well enough (I understand biology takes over in these situations), which I do want to have sometime in the next few years. What I personally won't abide is providing up to 18 years of financial support for children that that I wasn't given the good fortune in being able to assist in their creation. Plus, marriage is difficult enough without having to deal with the intrinsic involvement or non-involvement of the biological father.

3. Fat, ugly, weird, crazy, whatever.....otherwise undesireables or leftovers-self explanatory. While I am no pinnacle of physical/mental/emotional perfection, I feel entitled as the primary breadwinner to demand better of the woman. I'm a man. Men are shallow in this regard. End of story. I kind of went through a phase, there where people were shoving these at me left and right.....Best friend and wife paired me with a bizarre little troll in their wedding party, instead of brides hot youger sister. ...6 months later, I caught hell for not "keeping in touch with her'. I have a smoking hot gorgeous ex-model mid-30ish cousin, who set me up with her best friend of years and years....friend turned out to be a (very nice of course) 300 pounder. I guess I am supposed to overlook this because I'm "nice" and "a gentleman".

I may be accused by of being a hypocrite (after all, I have done many stupid things in my life, as mentioned, am not a pinnacle of perfection by any means). However, the difference is that I am not asking anyone to effectively shelter and provide for me (oh I know, your "work"....25 hours a week as a receptionist at a tanning salon really compares to fighting traffic an hour each way into the city so I can put in a 12 hour day at the office, or do physically demanding dangerous blue collar work)

All of the above being said, I'll take my chances with the foreign honeys. Absolutely, they aren't a panacea, having their own problems (VISA Hounds, golddiggers, becoming "Westernized", sometimes coming from a poverty-ridden cut-throat background), but at least with them you have at least a "fighting chance" of getting a diamond instead of a lump of coal.




"I cannot believe that I took all those ass-whuppins for this"-"MLK" , Boondocks, 2006

[Doctor_Skank]

JD2004:

I agree that the forum shouldnt be a place where people say "I'm all that" etc., however I havent seen that happening here. Posters do have to explain a bit about themselves in order for their perspective to be understood within the context it is intended.

In any case, I am not nearly as negative of American Women as many people are, my experience has generally been positive. The thing I like most about American women are the common cultural aspects we share, their sense of humour, their intelligence and their ability to love in ways I fully comprehend and understand.

Different cultures do, believe it or not, love differently. Since you are Asian (I assume) you likely understand this very well. I find Asian girls love differently than European girls for example. Intercultural marriages certainly benefit from the excitement and attraction of opposites that draw dark-skinned guys to blondes, white guys to latinas, asians to white girls etc. They are however often tested by lacking cultural understanding... for example if you marry a Brazilian girl there are certain aspects of her cultural heritage you'll never fully understand and vice-versa. I've seen that happen to a lot of Brazilian, Slavic or Asian girls in Germany, whose marriages didnt last longer than a couple of years. Many of these girls ended up being prostitutes in Germany, although admittedly many of them were "war brides" from Recife or Pattaya, many of them are actually normal girls who suddenly got stranded in Germany and didnt know what else to do except sell their bodies.

That said, and particularly after my travels and experience abroad, I find women of other cultures more attractive than most American women. I prefer thin girls to thick, well-dressed stylish girls to "buddy-type" sweatshirt wearing girls and true passion to giggling adolescent flirtation.

I find Slavic, European and even Arabic women in general more attractive than American women since I find they more often meet my personal criteria on body type, facial features, intelligence and demeanor. And as for statistics on the relative thinness/obesity of American Women vs. European and Slavic women, for the most part European and Slavic women win hands down, not even close. German girls are definitely getting fatter and Slavic girls may follow suit as their diets change for the worse, but they are still leagues ahead of US women in maintaining their appearance. Of course you have hyper-fit body-obsessed women in the US... but I find these girls to be some of the least attractive of all.... impressive bodies to look at, but they lack in most other areas.

As for generalizing about EE girls being thin, they are.... how could you have missed that in all your travels? :)

[Bart9000]

I'm the bottom five percent. I must be hideously ugly, morbidly obese, lazy, stupid, uneducated, ignorant, unsophisticated, low class, have next to no earning potential, be obnoxious, toothless with bad body odor, have a really bad personality..........


Yea, that must be it

[DJ FourMoney]

DJ, this quote sounds like a lot of what my buddies in the States say, or would say to me. I´m assuming maybe you´re around my age (late 20´s-early 30´s) so maybe I can relate. I know guys in the US that would rather bludgeon someone to death than pay for pussy, because they have `game´, or because paying for pussy is only for `losers´. These are the same guys that spend 100´s of dollars to take some fat american girl out to dinner, shopping, movies, all that crap, and get NOTHING in return. Yet I told a buddy of mine in the States that I banged a hot Colombian chica yesterday here in Quito for $20, and I get an e-mail from him giving me shit for paying for pussy!

Is it just me or is something wrong with this picture?

Sup Ezinho, you would be correct. We are in the same age bracket...

I'm open minded to the highest degree, I never, ever disagreed with P4P because I learned early in life that theres a price on everything.

I've had it up to ____ <---here with AW's attitudes about my career choice, and where I live. I'm tired of fuggly, old and tired women sending me email and smiles on dating sites, while the mid 20's single mothers play games in real time or online, it doesn't matter.

What your friends and most North American Males don't realize that they are paying for it. There's no such thing as "freebies" there's always a payment, weather socially, morally or monetary.

I just feel my money is better spent when I have control over what happens after a movie or dinner. That doens't have to detract from my desire to meet somebody worthwhile.

My grand plan however is about to get started in the next week or so. I just hope I have something to report soon and finally add some reports worthy of this board.

[DJ FourMoney]

I'm the bottom five percent. I must be hideously ugly, morbidly obese, lazy, stupid, uneducated, ignorant, unsophisticated, low class, have next to no earning potential, be obnoxious, toothless with bad body odor, have a really bad personality..........


Yea, that must be it


Actually that's the upper 10%... of the lower 5%

A few post back, a poster said that if you're not good at selling yourself to North American women, they are usually on to the next prospect in as little as 10 mins. I haven't watched the MTV dating show "Next" but I hear that's pretty much how it works, just being played out in a reality show with the cameras on.

I really hope Im not setting myself up to be dispointed, but I just have this adsured feeling that it will be the best thing I have done social in my life so far and I really have to thank this board for sharing the insight not only into the world of P4P, but finding out that I'm not alone in my struggle to find somebody to connect with.

"..... And now I must talk about the movie Soul Food..." - MLK: The Boondocks [adult swim]

[CBGBConnisur]

DJ, this quote sounds like a lot of what my buddies in the States say, or would say to me. I´m assuming maybe you´re around my age (late 20´s-early 30´s) so maybe I can relate. I know guys in the US that would rather bludgeon someone to death than pay for pussy, because they have `game´, or because paying for pussy is only for `losers´. These are the same guys that spend 100´s of dollars to take some fat american girl out to dinner, shopping, movies, all that crap, and get NOTHING in return. Yet I told a buddy of mine in the States that I banged a hot Colombian chica yesterday here in Quito for $20, and I get an e-mail from him giving me shit for paying for pussy!

Is it just me or is something wrong with this picture?
Something is wrong, your friend who paid several hundred bucks to go out with a fat AW is seriously brainwashed. If you paid a ultrahot Colombian chica 20 bucks no biggie, but if you're talking economics, 20 dollars US in Colombia has the buying power of 100US Dollars,still a fair price considering the fact that quality chicas in the US will accept no less than 300 to 500 bucks.
Doctor Skank made a solid assumption, the most relevant group for those of us meeting women is females aged 18 to 30, in this category most American women are obese. Even other countries with obesity problems fare better including rich countries like Germany and Australia.

[Doctor_Skank]

DJ4$:

Not sure where you are headed figuratively or literally, but wherever it is I advise you to not only date normal girls, but also hit the local p4p scene. In most places you can do this very discreetly, relatively cheaply and without much hassle.

When I am on one of my tours hitting a p4p option no later than day 2 takes off the pressure to score and relaxes me... makes me feel better and more often than not, increases my success rate. Power dating... like three dates a day with different women... can be really draining mentally and physically. Putting points on the board, even if you paid for them, will definitely boost your game.

Like they say in the army, "if you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'!"

Good luck!

[Freedick]

Male feminists are a curious bunch. They want the rest of us men to believe that they can liberate us from the prisons of our own device....


http://faithandsociety.typepad.com/faith_and_society/

[Sinanju Master]

I REALLY tried to read a lot of the blogs, but I think I've found an outright CURE for my insomnia. To comment on one of them (and a slice of some others) it seems that some of these bloggers don't understand that men and women complement each other as Yin does Yang and vice versa. One can not be the other, as the two parts make the whole. Anything else will upset the balance and disharmony will result.

As for marriage, if there were a guarantee that one party would not enter into the union with a facade, the purpose of which was to secure a lifestyle without having to work at the union after the deal is sealed, then I think that such strife would be greatly reduced, if not eliminated.

The institution is legalized prostitution in a way, with the power being in the hands of the provider of sex, since any action taken to break the contract (for whatever reason) will result in the payor paying DEARLY. UNLIKE prostitution, ultimately, it is not a union of equals.

[Smut Villain]

What your friends and most North American Males don't realize that they are paying for it. There's no such thing as "freebies" there's always a payment, weather socially, morally or monetary.


The institution is legalized prostitution in a way, with the power being in the hands of the provider of sex, since any action taken to break the contract (for whatever reason) will result in the payor paying DEARLY. UNLIKE prostitution, ultimately, it is not a union of equals.


Something is wrong, your friend who paid several hundred bucks to go out with a fat AW is seriously brainwashed. If you paid a ultrahot Colombian chica 20 bucks no biggie, but if you're talking economics, 20 dollars US in Colombia has the buying power of 100US Dollars,still a fair price considering the fact that quality chicas in the US will accept no less than 300 to 500 bucks.

I don't know what more I can add to these statements, for they illustrate a fundamental truth: these hypocrites who claim they'd never pay for pussy are absolutely clueless. It doesn't matter whether you take some fat AW pig on a date costing $$, hire an escort at a motel room, or get married to the love of your life. One thing is certain: you ARE paying for it, schmuck! If you don't believe this then here's a test: permanently quit your job, then tell your wife. Now let's see how long she stays around.

I learned some years ago that wives/girlfriends and prostitutes are both doing the same thing for the same reason: the difference is that only one of them is being honest about what she's doing.

[Sinanju Master]

I learned some years ago that wives/girlfriends and prostitutes are both doing the same thing for the same reason: the difference is that only one of them is being honest about what she's doing.[/QUOTE]

Smut, how can you say that you can't add MORE when that brilliant comment comes along? LOL

[Hardbarg]

Male feminists are a curious bunch. They want the rest of us men to believe that they can liberate us from the prisons of our own device....


http://faithandsociety.typepad.com/faith_and_society/
Interesting link. Take a look at another link from that page.

http://mercurior.********.com/2005/07/transcript-of-gender-wars.html

[DJ FourMoney]

DJ4$:

Not sure where you are headed figuratively or literally, but wherever it is I advise you to not only date normal girls, but also hit the local p4p scene. In most places you can do this very discreetly, relatively cheaply and without much hassle.

When I am on one of my tours hitting a p4p option no later than day 2 takes off the pressure to score and relaxes me... makes me feel better and more often than not, increases my success rate. Power dating... like three dates a day with different women... can be really draining mentally and physically. Putting points on the board, even if you paid for them, will definitely boost your game.

Like they say in the army, "if you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'!"

Good luck!

That would be the plan, I'm already of ahead of ya...

:D

[CBGBConnisur]

Whether you are paying for sex directly from a prostitute or paying indirectly in terms of your valuable time and money to court a woman, you are taking a hit financially either way. If you really think an American woman will love you for you and not your wallet, you are sadly mistaken. A lot of foreign women are like this too but in my experience its a lot easier to weed out the shit. The post on this thread about the Korean woman and her husband's dissappointment that she only loves his money speaks volumes. The idea that a woman who comes from a foreign country is better has a lot of merit but only if you keep her where she came from, bring her back to America, don't be surprised if she changes(gets an attitude, gains weight, no longer takes care of you).

[Artisttyp]

I see it all the time in new york.Alot of south americans and mexicans lose their charm here which is really sad to see since it's the people that always brings me back to those countries.It's almost like if they graduate to prosperity by acting like a smart ass rude fast talking american.I can get them to tone it down once I discuss my past travels to their countries which really throws them for a loop.Americans are ignorant remember. lol
I find foreign women who come here to be worse than their american counterparts.Most of them are really confused and disoriented to begin with by being here then they try to find identity within the most obvious com***ities "american bitches" It's way too much for these girls to handle and they wind up falling by the waste side.The ONLY way to do it would be to live in their country but then that poses alot of rearranging in our lifes.I'm sure alot of us would love to at least try it out but then you think medical,job,citizenship...it's not an easy move. I'm currently reading a book called "the new american expat post 9/11" which offers alot of advice but you need to find the right situation.Someone I know recommended I might want to spend 6 months in her country then 6 in mine that way she wouldn't lose her values.I dont know sounds like a dollar and dream lottery scenario to me.If only I could win.
No offense to someone who posted previously but I think the asian girls win the about face turn around hands down which has always left me little desire to visit asia.I hope I'm wrong.

[Sinanju Master]

Two of my coworkers today were talking about how the sex decreases in quantity, quality and variety after getting married. One, a 40-year old, pretty much gave me the impression that it's almost like necrophilia these days. He illustrated this fact by doing an impression of his wife by lifting up his leg and saying in a bored, bland voice: "Just go for it". He was also lamenting the fact that he no longer receives oral sex, BUT his wife is keen to insist that HE pleasure HER that way. Pretty much a '68'; "you do me and I'll THINK about owing you one". The other coworker, only 27 and a relatively new father, echoed this sentiment, but he didn't go into detail like the older coworker. I told these guys that they are my "living classroom" and that they reinforce WHY getting married would NOT be in my best interests. Just MY opinion...

[Rock Dog]

Boring, necro-style sex is no problem at all. Play nice and behave yourself most of the time.... then, let's say once or twice a month, go out for a little "variety". The boring sex you get at home will make that extra on the side seem like the fuck of a lifetime.

Just don't get caught.

By the way, I completely agree that getting laid is getting laid whether you paid $$ for it or not. The only real question is ... did you pay for it directly, or indirectly. In my experience, indirect payment tends to be the far more expensive variety.

Also, the guys out there who think that you're a loser if you pay for sex..... these guys are the real losers. That's because they get that pussy-whipped idea implanted into their brains by women and they don't even know it.

Rock

[Only Looking]

While I often agree that you pay dierctly or indirectly for women, especially for girlfriends and wives, the occasional one night stand is the exception. Just last weekend I picked up (or more truly I was picked up) by a girl in a bar in Las Vegas. Great sex and I may have just spent 10 dollars on a couple of drinks for her. No commitments and I'll never see her again. So Free Sex is totally possible in that situation.

[Paddy]

A good friend of mine recently retired on about 75K/year. He also has about 350K in investments, etc. He also has a great townhouse a really nice suburb of Chicago. He also has two cars, a cycle, etc.

In any event, the girl he's been dating (who is no Helen of Troy IMO) broke it off because she said that he doesn't make enough money. Apparently, her family was quite wealthy. She said that she's only interested in guys who make above 200K/year. Has anyone else caught this syndrome before??? Personally, I would guess that not too many guys out there pull over 200K per year.

[DirkDingy]

A good friend of mine recently retired on about 75K/year. He also has about 350K in investments, etc. He also has a great townhouse a really nice suburb of Chicago. He also has two cars, a cycle, etc.

In any event, the girl he's been dating (who is no Helen of Troy IMO) broke it off because she said that he doesn't make enough money. Apparently, her family was quite wealthy. She said that she's only interested in guys who make above 200K/year. Has anyone else caught this syndrome before??? Personally, I would guess that not too many guys out there pull over 200K per year.

Sometimes people make up bullshit and /or phony reasons why they don't like people when in actuality they just don't fancy them (no chemistry, not interested, etc). i think people do this for both internal and external justification. how many times have you gone out on a date and just not plain not liked someone when you have no real articulable reason to?

also, if this lady is approaching or in her retirement years like your mate she should be seeking more important things than a few extra dollars. the only thing she should care about is being comfortable, which 75K a year in retirement will allow her to do. and being that she comes from a wealthy family she has an extra layer of financial security. the older you get the less likely you are to care what others think--even if your friends and family are still alive.

My guess is that she just didn't like him for whatever reason and used another excuse to part ways.

[CBGBConnisur]

I see it all the time in new york.Alot of south americans and mexicans lose their charm here which is really sad to see since it's the people that always brings me back to those countries.It's almost like if they graduate to prosperity by acting like a smart ass rude fast talking american.I can get them to tone it down once I discuss my past travels to their countries which really throws them for a loop.Americans are ignorant remember. lol
I find foreign women who come here to be worse than their american counterparts.Most of them are really confused and disoriented to begin with by being here then they try to find identity within the most obvious com***ities "american bitches" It's way too much for these girls to handle and they wind up falling by the waste side.The ONLY way to do it would be to live in their country but then that poses alot of rearranging in our lifes.I'm sure alot of us would love to at least try it out but then you think medical,job,citizenship...it's not an easy move. I'm currently reading a book called "the new american expat post 9/11" which offers alot of advice but you need to find the right situation.Someone I know recommended I might want to spend 6 months in her country then 6 in mine that way she wouldn't lose her values.I dont know sounds like a dollar and dream lottery scenario to me.If only I could win.
No offense to someone who posted previously but I think the asian girls win the about face turn around hands down which has always left me little desire to visit asia.I hope I'm wrong.

In the post 9-11 era, especially with Bush's unilateral actions, don't be surprised if you become a target of hostility or suspicion when you leave America's borders. The world's attitude towards Americans is changing drastically. I live in a country that is one of the most friendly to the US, and I read in the paper about an American student who was shouted out of the country, this student packed his bags and went home within 6 months. But as I said, don't bring a foreign woman into the USA, expecting she won't dump your ass.

[DirkDingy]

In the post 9-11 era, especially with Bush's unilateral actions, don't be surprised if you become a target of hostility or suspicion when you leave America's borders. The world's attitude towards Americans is changing drastically. I live in a country that is one of the most friendly to the US, and I read in the paper about an American student who was shouted out of the country, this student packed his bags and went home within 6 months. But as I said, don't bring a foreign woman into the USA, expecting she won't dump your ass.

oh, i don't know. most people differentiate between american foreign policy/president bush and the American people. Americans have a reputation abroad as being rich, generous, and gullible.

Voice of America was a beacon of hope too many behind the iron curtain. Even in places that we fucked up. Take the Philippines: they still support us, even if meant giving many lives to save one POW or resistance fighter during WWII. When Americans, especially black ones go to most of Africa they are treated like kings...free meals, pussy, etc.

I thought that most Iraqis would hate us; they don't. They are upset that we don't provide security as it should be provided but can they genuinely blame an American if an Iraqi or an Arab Jihadist blows himself up in an Iraqi store? yea, sometimes the kids or the security contractors get a little trigger happy, but they are just are 50x more often to give the locals plates of food from the d-fac, goods from the px, or medical supplies from the dispensary. Granted, the iraqis I met were likely to say the right things, but even of the shady characters I met they said that Americans were generally good and humane people. Insurgents would do anything to get captured by an American as opposed to the Iraqi Police or National Guard. Whatever happened in Abu Gahrib was NOTHING compared to how an Arab treats another Arab.

Even in Vietnam the people were cool. One guy bought me dinner because he swore that my dad was an MP at his detention center during the conflict.

Although I wouldn't go to Serbia looking for trouble, the police and people there are respectful as long as you don't talk politics...and you can still see the damage today from when we lit their ass up.

Oui Oui the French are dicks, but they don't really like anybody.

Also, aside from some soldiers i know, most Americans abroad are very very liberal; they dislike Bush more than the euro liberals.

Americans are received well abroad because they are either genuinely liked or because they are very good for business.

[CBGBConnisur]

oh, i don't know. most people differentiate between american foreign policy/president bush and the American people. Americans have a reputation abroad as being rich, generous, and gullible.


The rich, generous, and gullible thing is usually the issue that gets me stuck with the gold digger visa hunter types, I am usually able to weed them out. A really gorgeous bank teller in a small town in Germany literally jumped on me and wanted straddle me in the middle of the bank, it was quite flattering but I get real suspcious of things like that, these are the types American dude = Big Wallet + Easy Immigration to the USA. People like you for your wallet, not you, it pretty much defeats the point of finding a woman abroad, since you are pretty much valued by the size of your bank account, not you as an individual human being. They will act nice to your face, but its a charade to get something out of you, once they got what they want, Adios!! Announcing that you're a Yank makes everything a bit more expensive, and you attract more conartists this way. From what I have seen is that people aren't as warm and receptive as they were in the past. Certain parts of Russia, you are guaranteed to get robbed, mugged, or beat up but Russians are hostile to all sorts of Westerners including Western Europeans and Australians. You definitely have to keep your wits about you.

[Lennox]

In the post 9-11 era, especially with Bush's unilateral actions, don't be surprised if you become a target of hostility or suspicion when you leave America's borders. The world's attitude towards Americans is changing drastically. I live in a country that is one of the most friendly to the US, and I read in the paper about an American student who was shouted out of the country, this student packed his bags and went home within 6 months. But as I said, don't bring a foreign woman into the USA, expecting she won't dump your ass.CBGB, I'm not sure what you mean about hostility toward individual Americans. I've travelled all over the world since 9/11 and never once has anyone said anything 'anti-american' to me. I went to France, all over south America, Eastern Europe, many places that one would think might have some issues with American foreign policy and a young guy staying in a 5 star hotels and having a good time. But I found if you are polite and respectful to people they generally treat you the same. Maybe I have just been lucky.

[Lennox]

One other thing I forgot to add, is that most Americans travelling abroad have far more disposable income than many other groups. Americans get less vacation time, but the rich and upper middle class in America lower taxes than places like Australia and can easily afford international trips. Americans have the highest per capita income in the world, and the ones who travel abroad often do it with frequent flier miles and are successful business owners who can expense the travel. Mongers who travel internationally tend to be a different breed than the typical monger. They seek out interesting locales that offer unique cultures, interesting cuisine and beautiful women.

One thing that is important to realize is that Well heeled educated white women are of course harder to come by in impoverished places so in most cases the guys who marry girls from these places basically want to "save" a girl from a tough life. There is a tremendous imbalance and finding a person who is on equal footing is not as likely. Beyond the physical allure of developing world beauties, they are at a tremendous disadvantage to a well off American girl who in some cases makes more money than the guy. If you truly love the girl and can overcome the cultural difference then go for it. Of course if you are just looking to monger the rest of your life then none of this matters, but if you plan to ever settle down then its something worth taking into consideration.

[Capt Ajax]

CBGB, I'm not sure what you mean about hostility toward individual Americans. I've travelled all over the world since 9/11 and never once has anyone said anything 'anti-american' to me. I went to France, all over south America, Eastern Europe, many places that one would think might have some issues with American foreign policy and a young guy staying in a 5 star hotels and having a good time. But I found if you are polite and respectful to people they generally treat you the same. Maybe I have just been lucky.

Yep you've been lucky so far. There are parts of the world that I'd never let on that I'm was an American.

[CBGBConnisur]

One other thing I forgot to add, is that most Americans travelling abroad have far more disposable income than many other groups. Americans get less vacation time, but the rich and upper middle class in America lower taxes than places like Australia and can easily afford international trips. Americans have the highest per capita income in the world, and the ones who travel abroad often do it with frequent flier miles and are successful business owners who can expense the travel. Mongers who travel internationally tend to be a different breed than the typical monger. They seek out interesting locales that offer unique cultures, interesting cuisine and beautiful women.

One thing that is important to realize is that Well heeled educated white women are of course harder to come by in impoverished places so in most cases the guys who marry girls from these places basically want to "save" a girl from a tough life. There is a tremendous imbalance and finding a person who is on equal footing is not as likely. Beyond the physical allure of developing world beauties, they are at a tremendous disadvantage to a well off American girl who in some cases makes more money than the guy. If you truly love the girl and can overcome the cultural difference then go for it. Of course if you are just looking to monger the rest of your life then none of this matters, but if you plan to ever settle down then its something worth taking into consideration.

This is very true, Australia is a beautiful place, but the taxes are astronomical. Taxes on automobiles and electronics could be as high as 50 percent of the actual value. I'm self employed down under, recently they lowered the tax rate for business owners, so I actually pay only a bit more than I did in the US when I was working a regular job. Thinking about everyday feels like a vacation here anyway. Finding women for short term fun is fairly easy in Oz, getting their panties off is a cinch. Although I have a smaller TV set and a smaller car, I think its worth it. The quality of women I have met in Oz and in some European countries is way above what I would hook up with back home in NYC.

[Smut Villain]

While I often agree that you pay dierctly or indirectly for women, especially for girlfriends and wives, the occasional one night stand is the exception. Just last weekend I picked up (or more truly I was picked up) by a girl in a bar in Las Vegas. Great sex and I may have just spent 10 dollars on a couple of drinks for her. No commitments and I'll never see her again. So Free Sex is totally possible in that situation.
Winning lottery tickets exist, too - but I don't see anyone planning their retirement around getting one.

"Free" sex ("free" meaning no con games, tricks or head games) does indeed exist, but it is so rare that it's hardly worth mentioning.

[Lennox]

Yep you've been lucky so far. There are parts of the world that I'd never let on that I'm was an American. LOL you remind me of the Mexican guy who told me in a bar that I shoudn't go to Argentina because they don't like Gringos and they were angry at the World Bank and IMF. I spent about two weeks there and had one of the best trips of my life.

I just got back from a couple of trips to Colombia which a lot of people are afraid to go to also, never had a problem there either.

[Bart9000]

to get some points on the board in my late 20's-it was the first time, to end an EXTREMELY long "dry spell". What followed was the greatest run of girls of my life. I in short order slept with/fooled around with/ made out with, a hot 22 year old cocktail waitress, a six foot 21 year old blonde who later became a stripper, a pretty 31 year old doctor (see, not all bimbos), also, I had a very cute little 21 year old quite open about being interested in me, despite having boyfriend.

I highly recommend "cheating".

Regarding recent discussion about the US's rep in the world, I can only contribute the perspective I encountered in Eastern Europe, where they still like us, a lot. Of course the common perception of us there is that the streets in the US are paved with gold, but.....

Let me again mention my "trick" while traveling. Avoid mentioning where you are from, but if asked directly, instead of lying (which probably won't end well), or saying "The United States", instead claim the nearest major metropolitan area.....When I say "Chicago", what seems to come into the mind of other country nationals is "John Dillenger, Bang Bang, Michael Jordan, Sears Tower"...you get the idea. This is infinitely preferable to (well deserved) images of unilateral action, civilian "collateral damage", et all.

B9K

[DirkDingy]

Yep you've been lucky so far. There are parts of the world that I'd never let on that I'm was an American.

everyone likes american tourists and expats but a few former dumb mid-sr level fsu com***ist officials/military men. the smart ones used their previous positions to get rich.

[Brian Moloney]

This is very true, Australia is a beautiful place, but the taxes are astronomical. Taxes on automobiles and electronics could be as high as 50 percent of the actual value. I'm self employed down under, recently they lowered the tax rate for business owners, so I actually pay only a bit more than I did in the US when I was working a regular job. Thinking about everyday feels like a vacation here anyway. Finding women for short term fun is fairly easy in Oz, getting their panties off is a cinch. Although I have a smaller TV set and a smaller car, I think its worth it. The quality of women I have met in Oz and in some European countries is way above what I would hook up with back home in NYC.I love my Country but the taxes are the 2nd highest in the world, Astrailia is nothing compare to Canada. Try this First I pay 42% of my total earnings in income tax now the killer when I buy something in Canada I pay 7.5 % in provincial tax, and another 7% GST (goods and service tax) lets see, 42+ 15.5 =57.5 Tobacco alcohol gas is tax out of this world in Canada too. Just ask any American visitor that comes to Canada. Another thing comes off my pay check HUGE amount of money for Canada pension and unemployment in surance, roughly I have 30 cents spending power for every dollar I make. Only Sweeden taxes higher I heard. But in Canada we have socialist liberal government and Canada has the 3rd highest standard of living in the world, USA is 16th. Yes we are tax heavy but I am all for it. The people in Canda live better lives than most of the world. Yes if you are money hungry and are a professional and have the fuck you Jack, me first, fuck every body else I want low TAXES then the USA is the place for you. I put compassion first to greed so I dont really mind paying the 2nd hihest taxes in the world. LOL

[Brian Moloney]

oh, i don't know. most people differentiate between american foreign policy/president bush and the American people. Americans have a reputation abroad as being rich, generous, and gullible.

Voice of America was a beacon of hope too many behind the iron curtain. Even in places that we fucked up. Take the Philippines: they still support us, even if meant giving many lives to save one POW or resistance fighter during WWII. When Americans, especially black ones go to most of Africa they are treated like kings...free meals, pussy, etc.

I thought that most Iraqis would hate us; they don't. They are upset that we don't provide security as it should be provided but can they genuinely blame an American if an Iraqi or an Arab Jihadist blows himself up in an Iraqi store? yea, sometimes the kids or the security contractors get a little trigger happy, but they are just are 50x more often to give the locals plates of food from the d-fac, goods from the px, or medical supplies from the dispensary. Granted, the iraqis I met were likely to say the right things, but even of the shady characters I met they said that Americans were generally good and humane people. Insurgents would do anything to get captured by an American as opposed to the Iraqi Police or National Guard. Whatever happened in Abu Gahrib was NOTHING compared to how an Arab treats another Arab.

Even in Vietnam the people were cool. One guy bought me dinner because he swore that my dad was an MP at his detention center during the conflict.

Although I wouldn't go to Serbia looking for trouble, the police and people there are respectful as long as you don't talk politics...and you can still see the damage today from when we lit their ass up.

Oui Oui the French are dicks, but they don't really like anybody.

Also, aside from some soldiers i know, most Americans abroad are very very liberal; they dislike Bush more than the euro liberals.

Americans are received well abroad because they are either genuinely liked or because they are very good for business.I speak for most Canadians. Well it is not NEWS that Canadas Government and the USA Government foreign policy don't agree (just like 90%) of the world. My best friends are from the USA. I can honestly say the people in the USA are great friendly and curtious They in my eyes are the best in the world. But the US foregin policy is written in blood (Bullies) and that most Canadians will not except. I do not cross the border to USA any more my friends from the USA come to visit me. They love Canada little crime, no pollution, or Toxic waste, (sorry New Jersey) CLEAN WATER . Canada does not over throw Governments in 3rd world countries for there natural resources. Plus Canada follows the NAFTA agreement that the USA wrote, to bad the US trade commerce dis-obeys the contract they wrote. One more thing in the Province of Alberta in Canada they found more oil reserves 2nd most in the world to Saudia Arabia. The USA better smarten up and obey the NAFTA agreement because they want that oil. And Canada will gladly sell it to the USA. For over 125 years Canada and the USA have been GOOD FRIENDS and I hope we can mend those bridges. Looks like Canada will be tradeing more with CHINA, (softwood lumber) they have no illeagal Tarriffs Duties etc. We are a little nation 30 million population, we are tired of being bullied and treated like shit from the USA. we will trade with China at least they are honest and dont change and break the rules so they come out on top. As for the American people I still love them, my best friend in Russia is an American I love him like my brother. LOL

[Artisttyp]

I've done alot of traveling in these past few years and I must say I haven't had alot of trouble.The only few times that I've had a sense of discrimination is in costa rica and from some of the indian people of chiapas mexico but they dont even like mexicans who conform to european standards.I just look at it as a lack of education.
Costa rica really left a bad taste in my mouth and there are so many other countries besides costa rica that it's like whatever.I'm not into the eco tourists on a religous mission crowd anyway...so they can have it.
Berlin Germany was really friendly.I think it was so wrong to be anti german in the US for not participating in the iraq war.The younger people were really nice and gave me directions with a huge smile on their face.Some of the older people who were like really old were a little cold but I thought nothing of it. They were just a little cranky...bottom line germany really showed their colors to me.I was impressed.
Amsterdam I felt a little "so what" but they have people going there to do drugs and screw so you cant blame the conservatives who get tired of it and for legal weed I'll take just about any abuse you want to give me.
It depends on how you act your experience and your general ability to deal with all kinds of people.Sometimes you have to be strong enough to pick up the slack and show them the way as they did to me in germany.
Oh one country I have to complain about was puerto rico...yuk but I'm an american so that said alot...too bad since I live for salsa.

[Cebu Local]

oh, i don't know. most people differentiate between american foreign policy/president bush and the American people. Americans have a reputation abroad as being rich, generous, and gullible.

Voice of America was a beacon of hope too many behind the iron curtain. Even in places that we fucked up. Take the Philippines: they still support us, even if meant giving many lives to save one POW or resistance fighter during WWII. When Americans, especially black ones go to most of Africa they are treated like kings...free meals, pussy, etc.

I thought that most Iraqis would hate us; they don't. They are upset that we don't provide security as it should be provided but can they genuinely blame an American if an Iraqi or an Arab Jihadist blows himself up in an Iraqi store? yea, sometimes the kids or the security contractors get a little trigger happy, but they are just are 50x more often to give the locals plates of food from the d-fac, goods from the px, or medical supplies from the dispensary. Granted, the iraqis I met were likely to say the right things, but even of the shady characters I met they said that Americans were generally good and humane people. Insurgents would do anything to get captured by an American as opposed to the Iraqi Police or National Guard. Whatever happened in Abu Gahrib was NOTHING compared to how an Arab treats another Arab.

Even in Vietnam the people were cool. One guy bought me dinner because he swore that my dad was an MP at his detention center during the conflict.

Although I wouldn't go to Serbia looking for trouble, the police and people there are respectful as long as you don't talk politics...and you can still see the damage today from when we lit their ass up.

Oui Oui the French are dicks, but they don't really like anybody.

Also, aside from some soldiers i know, most Americans abroad are very very liberal; they dislike Bush more than the euro liberals.

Americans are received well abroad because they are either genuinely liked or because they are very good for business.As a Canadian living Abroad for the last 15 years,I agree most people can draw the line between the US government and the American people.But regarding the US governtment thats a different story,I believe I saw a Time/CNN poll where the majority of people in 57 countries Hate or dislike the US government.Just my 2 centavos opinion

[Bart9000]

I happened to be speaking to this older gentleman of about 65....well by speaking, I mean listening to him rail about smokers rights being infringed for 20 minutes....pushed us outside....smoking sections going away........going to start up a legislative action committee....et, all.

When I finally got a word in edgewise I told him that although I don't smoke, I have sympathy for having his freedom infringed upon. I happened to mention that I have an issue with censorship, and mentioned that the FCC is now looking at regulating content even on pay services like HBO.

He looked at me funny, so I had to further explain that I was referring to "Adult Content" (Violence, profanity, sexual situations, nudity)......to which he declared "Well I don't want my kids and grandkids watchin' none of that....

I thought to myself 'Basically what you are saying to me is 'My freedom do do what I want is very important, but fuck everyone elses'"

Like I said, fascism...it's coming

[DJ FourMoney]

I happened to be speaking to this older gentleman of about 65....well by speaking, I mean listening to him rail about smokers rights being infringed for 20 minutes....pushed us outside....smoking sections going away........going to start up a legislative action committee....et, all.

When I finally got a word in edgewise I told him that although I don't smoke, I have sympathy for having his freedom infringed upon. I happened to mention that I have an issue with censorship, and mentioned that the FCC is now looking at regulating content even on pay services like HBO.

He looked at me funny, so I had to further explain that I was referring to "Adult Content" (Violence, profanity, sexual situations, nudity)......to which he declared "Well I don't want my kids and grandkids watchin' none of that....

I thought to myself 'Basically what you are saying to me is 'My freedom do do what I want is very important, but fuck everyone elses'"

Like I said, fascism...it's coming


It most likely is, not much we can do about it either. I just hope the worst of it bypasses a couple of generations so I don't have to see my grand children suffer...

[DirkDingy]

funny how you generalize, despite generalization being (one of) reason(s) you posted this in first place.

wow, you are definitely not going to win any popularity contests with such attitude. let me remind you that chasing women is all about being popular, unless you don't mind get involved with women on money basis. the latter undeniably leads to plain divorce, even if you suggest some kind of foreign women's emancipation, once they get to the u.s.


obviously just like in any arbitrary shithole in the south or midwest. check out this set of images (http://www.drbukk.com/gmhom/park.html).
honestly, romania is europe's by far, poorest country with exception of god forgotten spots like albania and moldova. it's also a so called 'candidate country' and and none of them is known for prosperity and abundance. not even across the ee spectrum. however, these countires change a lot, and after completed negotioations and gained membership, things get better, which is also reflected in prices. remember when mongering was cheap in czech rep. ?


since you refer to logic, you basically say that the "best and brightest" graduates from u.s universities are good for nothing else but "regurgitation and presence". while their ee counterparts are "utterly incapable of analysis and defending a position based upon logic". and apparently you are a genius graduated from.... the academy of outer space?

so the dumbass japanese have to come to america and learn from genius americans how to "make a tv"? are you out of your mind or what? japan is number one in home electronics no matter your low regard for japanese engineers. besides, if the japanese had to learn how to "make a tv" they would come to germany, since germany was first to manufacture electronic television sets back in 1934 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/tv#broadcasting). and if not for defected german nazi scientists (see wernher von braun), there would be no american rocket and missile program. who knows, maybe no trip to the moon either.

you say foreign, i say both american and foreign. more than half of the women in my neighbourhood in s.f were housewives. during my time there, i learned that families where women were housewives, especially in upscale neighbourhoods, were considered more well off than families with working wives and husbands. assumption of their husbands making shitloads of money, intended, of course. the vast mojority of these women were bimbos who fortunately got married up and were busy looking good while their husbands either worked their ass off or were "working late tonight". and ironically the more hours they work, the harder it gets to keep the marriage hot. actually i don't blame women for being lazy or whatever we want to call such lifestyle. hey, i would be more than pleased to stay at home if someone brought me money. why not play some golf, or go sailing with buddies? work? work is for losers.

haha, you are living in a bubble. ever heard of [http://www.urbancougar.com]urban cougars? no, they are not a band and they are not god-fearing, neither are they honest. they are american women though.

boredom, a lost jacket, and the fact that i hate it when people dissect my writings compel me to respond.


1. i wasn’t generalizing, at least not to the determent of my argument. i was simply stating that however bad american women are foreign women are not necessarily better, or, more accurately, most foreign women in america will behave worse than a native born american will if given the chance. thus your choice is to move to a shithole or be stuck with an aw. i also implied that the attorneys in america have a professional obligation to be “vigorous and enthusiastic advocates for their clients’ interests.” essentially, it’s the divorce attorney’s job to ass [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) people. if a man makes less than his woman—infrequent but by no means rare—he can screw over his x too.

i still stand by my statement/generalization that americans are more honest than most…it really is a stuffy, uptight, rigid, religious nation. shit like bribes to law enforcement, fucking for jobs, rampant corruption to the determent of public safety, buying of medical degrees, etc, are all relatively common in the world but alien to america.

2. who said i was trying to win a popularity contest? i know what you are getting at though. unfortunately, your assumption is incorrect. i don’t wear my heart on my sleeve. no one likes a complainer, especially a foreigner who makes 5-12 times the salary of his local co-workers. people may know that their home is a shithole and that they’d give their right pinky to leave but they certainly don’t want you to tell them that.

i usually walk around with an archaic smile permanently etched on my face that few people are able to divine the true patronizing nature of. contrary to my online persona, i’m actually quite charming in person and have no problems dating high quality women wherever i’m at. more importantly, my attitude is wholly irrelevant to my op..

3. how does any of the aforementioned assail my argument? it actually buttresses it. if romania has advanced itself into soon-to-be eu membership then it’s certainly a relatively prosperous nation—and it’s still a shithole. i’d say that only 20-30% of the countries in the world are kosher and that the rest are shitholes for 85% of their inhabitants.
i would rather be a rich man in ee or la than a rich man in american though. money in those places buys impunity. money in america buys you a cheap lux car and a nice house.

btw, i’m guessing that romania isn’t the poorest country in europe “by far” sans rom and albania as you claim. i think that some of the fyrs are pretty poor too and that many of the other places in central and e.europe all have similar gdps. but i’m not normally into factual nitpicking. most of the cities in these places are ok to live but the smaller places may still lack basic amenities—they are shitholes. anyway, europe’s only a small portion of the world.

yes, there are some shitholes in the us, but most people can make it into the midlle class or higher if they have atleast one of the following qualities: hardworking, persistence, intelligence, and ambition. it’s much harder to start from scratch and then “get paid” in other countries. if you live in a shithole in the us it’s largely your own fault unless you are a kid.

4. hmm, you’re not a native english speaker so i’ll cut you some slack—but you need to read more carefully within the context of the passage even if you couldn’t figure out that “here” meant not the us. i actually referred to my present location, romania, in either the quoted post or another one. you still should have been able to deduce from the general theme of my post—“america good, most other bad”—that i was commenting on ees.

btw, i’m actually a cum laude ivy league graduate. i didn’t go to the academy of outer space. but so what? it’s the internet. anybody can say anything they want. why don't i just become a magma cum laude graduate? i also think that iintelligence and the prestige of a college are not necessarily positively correlated.

5. maybe, but likely our trip to the moon would have taken place a year or two later and cost a few million more in r&d. i guess what i’m referring to is that most top foreign students, including the japanese, would give anything to go to grad school in america. indeed, most top foreign scientists/tech folks were educated in america. as well as the children of the foreign elite. didn’t ubl’s bomb man attend school in jersey or something? aside, from a few guys going to lse or oxford, no top-notch american student is getting a degree from a foreign school. i agree that germany’s jewsih scientists did wonders in ballistic missile development—v1 and v2.

6. maybe. i still think you’ll find more ambitious women in the west than you will in a developing nation. i need a hillary clinton type woman to compliment me. it’s kinda sick, but on wall street you’ll find more than one story like that of the lt.gov of mass who had a baby and was back to work a few days later. i haven’t found that type of woman in ee—not to say they don’t exist though.

i think marrying up is rarer than you may think. americans, like all others, marry people of the same race and socioeconomic class more than 3/4ths of the time.

7. we can all find the exception, but i believe that in places where the rule-of-law normally prevails the people will be more honest and law abiding than the people in corruption ridden nations will be.

[CBGBConnisur]

In all honesty the US economy is not going to dominate a unipolar world economy forever, although we will remain number one for at least two more decades, many parts of the world, particularly Asia are growing rapidly. Personally I have made some investments and now I don't have to work for a living and it was mostly through investing in Asian companies. The US dollar lost about 45 percent of its value over the last four years, this has never happened before and it is unprecedented in history, in the past everyone was always forecasting how high could the US dollar go and no one expected such a fast depreciation. Hotshots at big US Wall Street firms are even talking about Asia, so are the academics at the top US business schools like Wharton and Harvard, the basic gist is that the good old days are gone.

[DirkDingy]

Asia’s on the rise largely because of China and India. I believe that the latter may be obliterated by a nuclear exchange within the next ten years. Both Pak and India have the bomb; however, Musharaf has about as much control over his country a as middle aged mother does over her 13 yo son’s access to porn over the internet. While Musharaf is one of the better dictators of the last 100 years, the rank and file of his country as well as the security services are all hard-line Pro-Taliban Muslims. Some of his Generals are truly nuts and will prefer death over humiliation from India. It’s only a matter of time before a border skirmish results in Pakistan responding with nuclear artillery and then…..the world’s population shrinks by a billion +.

China. I don’t know so much about economics (one class, P/F, as an ugrad) or China but their ecoonomy seems a bit artificially inflated to me. I also don’t think it’s a given that they will successfully navigate the eco-political landscape. Do they have gas? I never bet on a country that doesn’t have guns and gas as their prosperity is dependant upon the largesse of others.

The EU? What is the EU? Is it a US like entity under the Articles of Confederations type deal or is like a euro NAFTA. Perhaps I’m an idiot, as I took two classes on the EU and still don’t know what it is. If it’s more like NAFTA it can work, but if it’s anything more I don’t think it will. America has done more for Poland than the Germans ever will. I still don’t see the benefits to the richer countries (majority populations). To me it looks like a poor EE goes to Ireland and works in construction for a little less than the Irish guy and the Irish guy gets pissed at the poor EE because he’s lowering his wage and taking his mate’s job. The poor immigrants sends their wages home, and soon wants to leave too to see his wife and family as they understandably can’t stand Irish food and can’t understand what the Irish are saying. The EEs get even more lazy than they already are because one or two bread winners support the whole extended family while the family back home spends time having “coffees” all day. All the while it increased the fissures between classes as the rich get really richer instead of just getting richer while the poor get poorer. Soon populist demagogues come to power in the West and the shit hits the fan, or tough immigration laws are enacted and the poor countries are even worse off than they were prior to entry into the EU family.

USA. I’ve been reading a lot of Pat Buchanan lately and find myself agreeing with most of what he says. If we can curb immigration and penalize countries for outsourcing before it gets too late we will be good to go for a while. We also need to stop starting wars for fun and get the hell out of the ME. Why the fuck did we bomb Serbia? To test out our weapons platforms?

[CBGBConnisur]

China and India's economies look massive when you measure them in terms of PPP, but measured in actual exchange rates they are much smaller. Most people think PPP is a more realistic measure of a country's economy since currency markets are always in state of flux, that being said both India and China's currencies are 1/6th of their true value. The Euro is probably one of the most ridiculously overvalued currencies out there. I wouldn't bet on Europe to be a major economic power for much longer, from what most people say, its going to the the US, China, and India around 2035, the EU is going to be much smaller than. The biggest European countries are struggling, I even thought about opening a business there, thinking with my dick, lots of good pussy in Europe and I have an easy time with Euro babes but thinking with my brain, Europe's economy as a whole is in the shitter and not being able to speak any other language except English I would be a pimple on a donkey's ass. Plenty of Eurobabes go down under so I can get them here.

[Bart9000]

Although I generally believe that "reality TV" is a harbinger of the apocolypse, I did find something interesting.

The Sundance channel is showing a British show "Ladette to Lady". The premise is sort of a "Survivor" format with periodic eliminations of less successful players.

10 girls, who as the "Lad-ette's" (apperently British slang for girls who act like 'the lads'-belching, beer swilling, screaming, generally acting trashy), are taken to a contrived "finishing school" run by 3-4 "Old Pro's" at that business.

It is kind of interesting, both to see the extremes of "unladylike" behavior, as well as what I am sure the "end result" will be.

B9K

[Sinanju Master]

This discussion of asian economics is a bit interesting, particularly because I always read about the rapid expansion of China's economy at the expense of the peasant farmers. I keep reading about peasant revolts because of illegal land seizures and it makes me think that a repeat of the 1949 takeover will repeat itself, again with the farmers/peasants storming the capital and making radical changes. THIS TIME, since the world is more financially interconnected and sensitive to politcal events, such an upheaval in China would wreak HAVOC on the world markets.

[CBGBConnisur]

China has been keeping a solid lid on its country for a very long time but its mostly thanks to big blue chip US companies as well as a few European and Japanese multinationals. The yuan has been increasing in value lately, still its undervalued enough to make their exports cheap, still in thirty years they will look more like a high wage economy and their PPP and OER will be roughly equal, right now they are making a shitload of money because big multinationals are outsourcing like crazy over there, shit I looked under my notebook pc and it says made in China, almost half the shit I own was made there. As far as its relevance to AWs, one poster who visited Hong Kong and Taiwan commented that a lot of Asian women from these parts are arrogant as hell, materialistic and bitchy, I met a few women from HK, most of Asian origin, and I have to agree, since they have a lot of money they expect to be treated like princesses. So its the underlying issue of money empowers women and then that makes women crap, AWs are still by far the worst, especially over the last decade and a half. In some Western Euro countries like Germany and the Netherlands I have had an easy time picking up women while in the big cities in the US I am usually empty handed, maybe there is more social mobility in Europe, which I am guessing is the case in the two Euro countries I mentioned. Then again Europe has a much lower standard of living than what is present in America, having spent some time there, even in the richer Euro countries people have a lot less. I am also able to watch some Indian TV sitcoms, and just from seeing them, a lot of Indian women, the more modern ones, behave just like American women. That being said, maybe for most of us, we are just better off staying in America, compared to most of the world we live a very charmed and privileged life, why live in a country where you have pay to take a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in a public toilet?

[Rock Dog]

CBGB,

That's an interesting report. I've had many of the same thoughts regarding these countries and what happens to the women when the standard of living increases.

Now comes a really crazy idea........ poverty is good. That's right, I said it. For guys like us, poverty is good because it's keeps those women from getting arrogant, spoiled and demanding. Just think about all the countries that have a reputation for having the best women. What do they all have in common? That's right, poverty...... about the only exceptions might be Argentina and maybe Australia.

Whenever the perceived standard of living goes up, womens expectations go up right along with it. Guess what happens next?

I know it's not a nice thing to hope that someone else will be poor so that I can benefit from it. I'm just saying that there's something about being from a poor country that makes women a lot more appreciative.

Comments?

Rock

[Artisttyp]

Absolutely right on the money.

[Member #4351]

Argentina has poverty, and plenty of it.

[Bart9000]

I don't think that poverty is necessarily the major correlating factor. There are also plenty of women in poverty here in the US....I wouldn't recommend looking for a wife among them.

[DirkDingy]

CBGB,

That's an interesting report. I've had many of the same thoughts regarding these countries and what happens to the women when the standard of living increases.

Now comes a really crazy idea........ poverty is good. That's right, I said it. For guys like us, poverty is good because it's keeps those women from getting arrogant, spoiled and demanding. Just think about all the countries that have a reputation for having the best women. What do they all have in common? That's right, poverty...... about the only exceptions might be Argentina and maybe Australia.

Whenever the perceived standard of living goes up, womens expectations go up right along with it. Guess what happens next?

I know it's not a nice thing to hope that someone else will be poor so that I can benefit from it. I'm just saying that there's something about being from a poor country that makes women a lot more appreciative.

Comments?

Rock


The less money you have the less choices you have; the more money you have the more choices you have. In many parts of the world the man puts food on the table. All the women look for is a bread winner--everything else is superfluous. And if she is lucky, her man won’t beat her. If a man beats her in the USA he goes to jail. In 80%-90% of the world if a man beats a woman nothing happens.

In America, women can take care of themselves so they can do as they want for the most part. If a woman is divorced in many parts of the world her life sucks, as she has a hard time making ends meet with csup being unenforceable. If a woman is divorced in the States she can still be ok...it's still hard though.

This ain’t so Freudian.

GBGB,

I'm guessing the reason why there is a lower standard of living in western europe is because they are socialist countries with ungodly tax rates. This leads to less disposable income and expensive goods. Only in America will you see middle class people owning their own home with three cars in the driveway, two of which are late model. I know a (young) western european girl working in a professional position at deloitte who cant afford to live on her own in Stockholm—she lives with her parents in a“flat”. Maybe this is the extreme, but you get what I mean.

i think euros enjoy life more though--they have to take the bus and live in a flat but they have more vacation time than americans do. dont the italians get 2 months off each year?

[CBGBConnisur]

Excessive affluence is what spoils women, take a look at Canada, the best province for meeting women happens to Quebec, and I have found it easy to pickup French Canadian women, from what a lot of Canadians have told me its also one of the hardest places in Canada to find a job, I heard wages in Quebec are nearly half of what they are in places like British Columbia and Ontario which are the two most capitalistic and wealthiest regions of Canada. Women in these affluent parts of Canada are just as bad as your average American woman, in some ways I found them even more stuck up, but go into Quebec and its like a breath of fresh air, French Canadian women are easy as hell to pickup.
When I compare Australia to the US, Australians make lower incomes than Americans, they tend to drive smaller cars and have fewer electronic gizmos in their homes, but Australian women tend to be less arrogant than their American counterparts, I have rarely gotten pokey questions from Australian women as to how much I earn or what I do for a living, probing questions that a lot of North American women often ask to get an idea of how much guy makes.

Divorce laws favor women in all developed countries, Western Europe and Australia are not much different. In fact, the Australian goverment gives women money to get pregnant, the result is a lot of women are getting knocked up to get some handouts by the government here.

[DirkDingy]

but i prefer my xbox360 to a woman any day....it even plays porn.

[Chocha Monger]

There are a lot of interesting comments here and I think that the general idea concerning poverty and women is largely correct. On my recent trip to Latin America a girl told me that the reason many of the poor girls had nice tight bodies was that they could not afford to eat more food than necessary to get by and they had to do a lot of walking since they had no personal transportation and could barely pay a taxi. Ironically, the conditions of moderate poverty obligated these beautiful women to follow a low calorie diet and exercise resulting in stunning figures that North American women dream about having.

However, if you take one of these remarkable Latin beauties and place her in the typical US environment filled with cheap high calorie high fat foods and car rides from door to door she would soon grow quite plump.

In an environment where many women need a man to help bring in the food and to provide a degree of protection against criminals the average non-alcoholic unabusive man with a steady income is worth more than his weight in gold, for a Latin American woman giving BBBJ on a daily basis is a small price to pay to keep such a man around.

In the US where conditions tend to be better in general women don't really need men to increase their odds of survival. They don't have to give BBBJ especially if they are married. AW can exploit men for meals, money and entertainment just but creating the illusion that the possibility of getting a BBBJ exists. In the US only the most wealthy and famous men can turn the tables by allowing AW to believe that they have a shot at marriage and 50% of their net worth by giving regular and vigorous BBBJs.

[Capt Ajax]

Unfortunately folks it is American men who have created these American women monsters. Here's a post from an American women I copied off craigslist. This ladies keeper has got to be the biggest dumbass!!!!!!!! $8,000/month please gimme a break!!!!!!!!!

All Ladies, Please Read


Hi, my name is Victoria. I have been a sugarbaby going on two years now. I am given a donation of $8000 per month...this doesn't include my occasional gifts.
And the wonderful thing about this is I only have one benefactor. No more hosting multiple men. Instead I have one man who's company I enjoy, and spend a maximum of about 20 hours a month with.
Don't get me wrong, I didn't just luck into my situation. It took plenty of trial and errors to get it right. I have written a book called HOW TO BE A KEPT WOMAN. It takes you through step by step process on how you too can become a kept woman.
Trust me when I say that this will be the best $15 you will invest in yourself.
If interested, feel free to contact me with any inquiries, and interests

[DirkDingy]

Unfortunately folks it is American men who have created these American women monsters. Here's a post from an American women I copied off craigslist. This ladies keeper has got to be the biggest dumbass!!!!!!!! $8,000/month please gimme a break!!!!!!!!!

All Ladies, Please Read


Hi, my name is Victoria. I have been a sugarbaby going on two years now. I am given a donation of $8000 per month...this doesn't include my occasional gifts.
And the wonderful thing about this is I only have one benefactor. No more hosting multiple men. Instead I have one man who's company I enjoy, and spend a maximum of about 20 hours a month with.
Don't get me wrong, I didn't just luck into my situation. It took plenty of trial and errors to get it right. I have written a book called HOW TO BE A KEPT WOMAN. It takes you through step by step process on how you too can become a kept woman.
Trust me when I say that this will be the best $15 you will invest in yourself.
If interested, feel free to contact me with any inquiries, and interests


as bad as this looks, it is much worse abroad. more women do this abroad for less money. it's somewhat acceptable in ee, la, and afr where in america it's frowned upon.

i never have too many problems with aw--they like a man who has something going for him but all women want that.

[CBGBConnisur]

There are a lot of interesting comments here and I think that the general idea concerning poverty and women is largely correct. On my recent trip to Latin America a girl told me that the reason many of the poor girls had nice tight bodies was that they could not afford to eat more food than necessary to get by and they had to do a lot of walking since they had no personal transportation and could barely pay a taxi. Ironically, the conditions of moderate poverty obligated these beautiful women to follow a low calorie diet and exercise resulting in stunning figures that North American women dream about having.

However, if you take one of these remarkable Latin beauties and place her in the typical US environment filled with cheap high calorie high fat foods and car rides from door to door she would soon grow quite plump.

In an environment where many women need a man to help bring in the food and to provide a degree of protection against criminals the average non-alcoholic unabusive man with a steady income is worth more than his weight in gold, for a Latin American woman giving BBBJ on a daily basis is a small price to pay to keep such a man around.

In the US where conditions tend to be better in general women don't really need men to increase their odds of survival. They don't have to give BBBJ especially if they are married. AW can exploit men for meals, money and entertainment just but creating the illusion that the possibility of getting a BBBJ exists. In the US only the most wealthy and famous men can turn the tables by allowing AW to believe that they have a shot at marriage and 50% of their net worth by giving regular and vigorous BBBJs.

This is very true, my current woman is Bulgarian and is very fit, she told me that she worked for a casino in Las Vegas for a couple of months as a bartender, while she was there she liked to eat out at TGI Friday's and she loved BBQ Ribs and other junk foods that were cheap, consequently she told me she gained 10 Kilos or 22 pounds during that time, I was surprised because when I met her she had a tight body. I have noticed in some countries, even rich ones, certain kinds of junk food are taxed like crazy, a coke in a restaurant in Europe can cost 6 bucks, therefore fewer people drink soft drinks than they do in the States. TVs, Xboxs are a lot more expensive in Australia, but visiting a gym is generally a lot cheaper, combined with the more pleasant outdoor environment and generally much safer living conditions(Sydney is kind of like LA without the smog and gangbangers fucking things up for everyone else), people excercise more, hence obesity is much lower in Oz than in the USA and even most of Canada(except for Quebec).
Latinas in South America are for the most part stunningly beautiful, the ones I knew back in NYC were plain disgusting and had the attitude as well.

[Bart9000]

A "kept woman" isn't an AW, she is an AP-American Prostitute.

The "kept woman" is at the top of the prostitute food chain (I studied this in sociology class). She may in fact be from a relatively high level background, and highly educated-even to Phd level.

The levels of compensation seem absurd (healthy five figure to six), but the person paying this salary is likely a high profile, highly compensated executive....who would lose said position were they caught getting "a little on the side" from a call girl, brothel or streetwalker. Conversely, to the casual observer, the "kept woman" could easily pass as "an affair", or "a girlfriend". Protection from career ruining scandal while getting a little ass is certainly worth a measley 100K a year to someone who makes 10 Million.





Unfortunately folks it is American men who have created these American women monsters. Here's a post from an American women I copied off craigslist. This ladies keeper has got to be the biggest dumbass!!!!!!!! $8,000/month please gimme a break!!!!!!!!!

All Ladies, Please Read


Hi, my name is Victoria. I have been a sugarbaby going on two years now. I am given a donation of $8000 per month...this doesn't include my occasional gifts.
And the wonderful thing about this is I only have one benefactor. No more hosting multiple men. Instead I have one man who's company I enjoy, and spend a maximum of about 20 hours a month with.
Don't get me wrong, I didn't just luck into my situation. It took plenty of trial and errors to get it right. I have written a book called HOW TO BE A KEPT WOMAN. It takes you through step by step process on how you too can become a kept woman.
Trust me when I say that this will be the best $15 you will invest in yourself.
If interested, feel free to contact me with any inquiries, and interests

[Leeuwen]

I'm guessing the reason why there is a lower standard of living in western europe is because they are socialist countries with ungodly tax rates. This leads to less disposable income and expensive goods. Only in America will you see middle class people owning their own home with three cars in the driveway, two of which are late model.Standard of living? Come on, I know people across the pond are obsessed with taxes, but taxes are fine, as long there is a value, like free health care and so much other services. I have little desire in getting involved in quasi-economical debates on a mongering forum, but please don't compare apples and oranges. Somebody mentioned three cars in front of the house. Where? Manhattan? Europe is much more dense populated and some 'luxuries' get automatically very very expensive. Standard of living, my a**. This is more scientific data from the UN Human Development. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Human_Development_Index)

1. Norway
2. Iceland
3. Australia
4. Luxembourg
5. Canada
6. Sweden
7. Switzerland
8. Ireland
9. Belgium
10. United States

[Capt Ajax]

Bart & Dirk since you love these AW so much you can keep 'em.....I don't plan on dating or marrying any of 'em. I intend to take my time and find a nice European, Asian, latina or Brazilian woman and MAYBE hook up with her for the rest of my life.

[Hardbarg]

Yep, wherever you are, it's good to be king. That is, to have more money/power than those around you. I wish you guys would stop restating the obvious.

[Member #4351]

If she is making so much money, why is she in the book selling business?

[Bart9000]

Do either of you actually READ posts before commenting on them.

Astor-the only thing I said was that the "kept woman" is a type of highly compensated prostitute. There was no defense of AW there except perhaps an assertion that the behavior displayed by this individual (as a full blown prostitute) was not indicative of general AW behavior. For an example of my general feelings on AW, see my last 70 posts on this board.

James-where in that post is there any assertion whatsoever of the "kept woman" being a foreigner..........I'm waiting........did you find it...No? I know you didn't find it because you delusionally imagined it just like everything else you post about.

You kind of remind me of this guy who used to come into my restaurant (we called him "The BBQ Burrito guy"). He once had with him a statistics textbook (an attention getting device), which he purportedly was using to help him win at blackjack. He had all kinds of (very nicely drawn I must say) graphs of the "normal distribution", some with the "tails" shaded in, others without......however, he began to rattle on for all of about fifteen seconds, and I, having mightily completed an undergraduate course in statistics, was able to determine that he had NO FUCKING IDEA WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.

[Capt Ajax]

Here's another post on CL by another pathetic AW. Perhaps those of you in love with these AW can give them a helping hand.


Help a HOTTIE! college is costly - w4mm - 20

Hello everyone I need to make some cash, i have some pictures of me and my friends playing around and me doing dirty things. If u like girls gone wild...then u'll love me! I'm only selling some pictures..thats it tho. Thanks!

[DirkDingy]

Here's another post on CL by another pathetic AW. Perhaps those of you in love with these AW can give them a helping hand.


Help a HOTTIE! college is costly - w4mm - 20

Hello everyone I need to make some cash, i have some pictures of me and my friends playing around and me doing dirty things. If u like girls gone wild...then u'll love me! I'm only selling some pictures..thats it tho. Thanks!

i actually posted this in order to fleece lonley american men into paying for my whoaring trips to china. $612 so far in less than a week...not a bad job if you ask me.

[Capt Ajax]

Do either of you actually READ posts before commenting on them.

Astor-the only thing I said was that the "kept woman" is a type of highly compensated prostitute. There was no defense of AW there except perhaps an assertion that the behavior displayed by this individual (as a full blown prostitute) was not indicative of general AW behavior. For an example of my general feelings on AW, see my last 70 posts on this board.

Bart, what would you call this pathetic AW on CL


MIXED RACE Sugar Baby for Sugar Daddy ~~~~~~~~~~ - 34
Relocating to the area. I am seeking something long-term and exclusive. Please repond with pics and what you are seeking. I will reply with same.

*** I am seeking one special selective gentleman to have a mutually beneficial NON SERIOUS companionship with. I AM NOT A PROVIDER, I DO NOT GIVE SESSIONS, I AM NOT HERE TO SERVICE THE CITY, STATE, OR COUNTRY. I am new to this and seeking ONE SPECIAL VERY GENEROUS SELECTIVE GENTLEMAN TO HAVE AN EXCLUSIVE (on my part) MUTUALLY SATISFYING RELATIONSHIP WITH ***

Please respond with photos and what you are TRULY seeking. If you are looking for hookers, escorts, providers, out/in call girls, "PROS" or anything of that nature, THEN WE ARE NOT COMPATIBLE.

Please be attractive, clean, selective, honest, SANE, disease free, over 25 and under 50, and very well established. (Prefer non-smoker).

Where are you Daddy ???

[CBGBConnisur]

Wow I have singlehandedly fucked up this thread, my point about the economics is that in places where there is a lot of wealth, some of the unsavory aspects of AWs can go global.

[DirkDingy]

Standard of living? Come on, I know people across the pond are obsessed with taxes, but taxes are fine, as long there is a value, like free health care and so much other services. I have little desire in getting involved in quasi-economical debates on a mongering forum, but please don't compare apples and oranges. Somebody mentioned three cars in front of the house. Where? Manhattan? Europe is much more dense populated and some 'luxuries' get automatically very very expensive. Standard of living, my a**. This is more scientific data from the UN Human Development. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Human_Development_Index)

1. Norway
2. Iceland
3. Australia
4. Luxembourg
5. Canada
6. Sweden
7. Switzerland
8. Ireland
9. Belgium
10. United States


Free health care? It’s not free, you pay for it via taxes. Health Care is like pussy...you either pay for it directly (ala p4p) in America or you pay for it indirectly via taxes in most other places (regular dating scene). It should be noted that only in wealthy nations are individual contributions to healthcare providers limited. In most other places frequent “tips” are required to the medical staff for services within nations with subsidized medical care.

Personally, I’m not into subsidizing the well-being of others, and socialized healthcare definitely accentuates the free-rider problem. America isn’t a socialist country and its (fed) government was designed to serve a very limited purpose. If one wants to pay 50%+ taxes and get good com***al healthcare then move to a small scandanavain nation. Many foreigners and too many Americans haven’t a clue about the why our nation was constructed and its underlying philosophies. The same confusion is abound in international relations. Nations have an obligation to act in their OWN national interests to benefit their OWN citizens—if there are ancillary humanitarian benefits to a nation’s foreign policies then cool, but this should be a tertiary consideration.


“I have little desire in getting involved in quasi-economical debates on a mongering forum, but please don't compare apples and oranges.” This statement is quite erroneous; the facts speak otherwise. You have three posts on this board and two of them are related to my posts which concern quasi economical/political debates. I’m assuming you are not operating under a second moniker. Where are your posts about the bitches at? At least I gave a bit if intel about three countries. I even posted the only pics on WSG of an Iraqi hoe that I shagged in Baghdad—although this was taken down as I didn’t want to put her at risk.

I’m no Dr. Skank, but I’m more a contributor to the WSG than many guys on this thread who sit in their American living rooms and ***** about American woman because they can’t score with them, and, who, naively think that the women who the inhabit the various shitholes of the world are any better, or that they are not even bigger gold diggers than the AW.

The reoccurring theme inbedded througout my posts follows along the lines as someone who says my job sucks, but it doesn’t mean that your job doesn’t’ suck more; however, this does not diminish the fact that my job sucks

“ Somebody mentioned three cars in front of the house. Where? Manhattan? Europe is much more dense populated and some 'luxuries' get automatically very very expensive. Standard of living, my a**.”

Dude, I spent 4.5 years in NYC and never saw a house in Manhattan. Granted, I only left campus a few times a semester, but one would be hard-pressed to find a house with three cars in NYC—queens and the Bronx may have houses, but I don’t know for sure. My three car example referred largely to suburbia or non east coast urban environments. Dad has a car to get to work, Mom has a car to get to work, and Junior dives his mom’s car from a few years to high school. Junior pays for gas and insurance on his car with his $400 a month from his part-time job. That’s another thing about America….kids, even upper middleclass ones, work during school (if they are not jocks) and in the summer.


“Europe is much more dense populated and some 'luxuries' get automatically very very expensive.” So is LA and everyone and their mom has a ride. What are you getting at? What I was getting at, and I’m not sure that standard of living is the “proper term”, is that in America people own a house, have multiple cars, have cool big ass tvs, and can call anywhere in the country on their phone for 30-45 bucks a month. In W.Europe, people are more likely to live with the mommies longer, move to a flat when they leave the nest, take the bus/trolly or have one car per family, have smaller tvs with less channels, and get arthritis sending fucking SMSs all day because phone bills are so expensive. They also get more vacations and holidays than Americans do.

I don’t really know which lifestyle is better.

[Chocha Monger]

European weight gain linked to American food
High-sugar, high-fat trend affecting populations with different eating habits


Updated: 8:53 p.m. ET Feb. 7, 2006
WASHINGTON - Weight gains among Europeans have been linked to consumption of more American-style fast foods like hamburgers, pizza and sweetened soft drinks, according to a study released Tuesday.

“High consumption of sugar-sweetened drinks has been associated with weight gain and obesity in the United States,” wrote the authors of the study, published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition.

“This trend may also be affecting populations with different eating patterns who increasingly are adopting typical U.S. dietary patterns.”

Investigators explored the effects of soft drinks and other fast foods on more than 7,000 middle-aged and well-educated Spanish men and women. Questionnaires on total daily calorie intake, frequency of consumption of multiple food items and alcohol, smoking, physical activity and other lifestyle variables were collected over two years.

Approximately half the group gained weight over the period, the study found. It also showed significant but weaker links between weight gain and consumption of red meat and sweetened fruit juice.

“During follow-up we observed that 49.5 percent of our study population experienced some increase in their body weight,” the study found.

The authors emphasized that fast foods are generally fiber-free and consumers ultimately lose the benefit of a traditional Mediterranean diet to prevent weight gain.

“A wide array of evidence suggests that fiber may exert this beneficial role through several mechanisms, which include effects on satiety, glucose metabolism, energy density and the rates of ingestion and gastric emptying,” the study found.

Copyright 2006 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters.

[Chocha Monger]

I think the whole point of the heated debate on economics is an attempt to show that the type of environment that women live in has a lot to do with their behavior and attitudes toward men. Actually the I've seen women in Latin America who divorced their gringo husbands back in the USA. These women were back home on vacation running around in rental cars and giving electronic appliances as gifts to their family members during the Christmas holidays. At first I wondered how they could afford it since they worked as waitresses or housekeepers back in the US, upon enquiring about it I discovered that many of them were getting alimony from the gringo ex-husbands. In fact, one in particular was getting 50% of the income brought in by her ex-husband's rental properties and this was only after 2 yrs of marriage.

The other women back home didn't think this was unfair or that the women were being greedy. Of course not, all gringos are rich and rotting with money and that is just the way things are in the USA, the woman sues for divorce and takes half of everything. Some women even voiced the opinion that it should be the same in their country.

One would have to be very stupid to think that a foreign woman would be any less greedy than an American one once she hits the USA and gets a really good ass-reaming divorce lawyer. Her divorce lawyer will make sure that you pay as much as possible for that piece of exotic ass that you imported. Who you marry probably has less importance than where you marry and reside. A king in one country is not necessarily a king in another country. If you don't like the idea of being Greeked by a sleazy American divorce lawyer then don't bring your bride back to the US. Enjoy that hot piece of young ass in whatever shit-hole you happen to find it in.

[One Wing Low]

When you bring any woman into the US as your bride.

My ass is still bleeding.



One would have to be very stupid to think that a foreign woman would be any less greedy than an American one once she hits the USA and gets a really good ass-reaming divorce lawyer. Her divorce lawyer will make sure that you pay as much as possible for that piece of exotic ass that you imported. Who you marry probably has less importance than where you marry and reside. A king in one country is not necessarily a king in another country. If you don't like the idea of being Greeked by a sleazy American divorce lawyer then don't bring your bride back to the US. Enjoy that hot piece of young ass in whatever shit-hole you happen to find it in.

[Bart9000]

Bart, assuming you don't even have high school economics, which part do I need to explain more?


Actually, I have completed at the undergraduate level:

Microeconomics

Macroeconomics

Economic Forecasting

and an additional course at the graduate level which is an overview of the discipline. I took this course in the process of completing a masters degree in Finance-a closely related discipline.

Actually, now that I am thinking about it, I also took a class in financial derivatives, as an undergrad, which doubled as a 600 level econ class. Let's see, that's 15 hours.....I would only have to take another two classes to have the 21 hours required to WORK as a low level economist for the Federal government.

I'm not going to take the time to pick apart all of your ignorance (you are of course just going to reply back, and say you meant something else-your nonsensical babbling allows you a great deal of lattitude in posthumous interpretation)....let's just see-a little sample ....you make appearent reference to $41,000 generated by an average family, and label it "GDP". GDP stands for "Gross Domestic Product", and is a measure of the economic output of a COUNTRY, not a FAMILY.

Why don't you measure the body length of a cockroach in light years while you are at it?

So you just go right ahead and throw those big fancy words and concepts you don't actually understand all over the place. I assure you that you are at the lowest level of ignorance-the point where you know so little that you don't realize how ignorant you are.

And you are back to babbling about streetwalkers again. I don't doubt that some lower grade American prostitutes can and do make over 100K a year....however there is more to a decision than just cash compensation....just as I choose (despite the highest wages in the area) not to work in the steel mills near my home because of the dangerous work conditions and co-workers I wouldn't particularly want to be around, most prostitutes (sane, non-junkie, non-fuckup.....type) would pass up even 200K a year, if they could instead make 100K by occassionally sleeping with one man, who is most likely disease free, clean not smelly, and most probably treats her well and is not going to hurt her....as opposed to enduring social stigma, risking arrest, risking VD, risking a jail sentence, and taking her life into her hands by getting into a vehicle alone with any scumbag who has $50.

Astor-Admittedly, the line between prostitute and "normal" woman can get a little blurry.......even a "good clean honest" traditional marriage to a good woman could be considered a type of prostitution...basically (viewed very cynically), the woman is exchanging sex, and companionship, (as well as domestic services, and child production/rearing) for food, shelter and protection. There is also all kinds of funny stuff going on out there, such as the rural divorcee who is fucking the man who very kindly mows her lawn, fixes her roof, handles pluming emergencies. No cash is changing hands, and she does kind of like him, and might be inclined to fuck him even if he didn't help her out....Is she a prostitute? I hope you get my point-the situation can be a little blurry.

Getting to your question, what would I call this:

*** I am seeking one special selective gentleman to have a mutually beneficial NON SERIOUS companionship with. I AM NOT A PROVIDER, I DO NOT GIVE SESSIONS, I AM NOT HERE TO SERVICE THE CITY, STATE, OR COUNTRY. I am new to this and seeking ONE SPECIAL VERY GENEROUS SELECTIVE GENTLEMAN TO HAVE AN EXCLUSIVE (on my part) MUTUALLY SATISFYING RELATIONSHIP WITH ***

I would call this girl a prostitute. Right, wrong, pathetic, annoying or whatever, there is appearently a market for the type of service she wants to provide. If this girl lacks whatever it takes (youth, physical attractiveness, charm, decorum....) to do this kind of "work", she won't be "employed" in this capacity, at least at the rate of compensation she feels she is worth.

B9K

PS Astor, kindly do look at my other posts before you accuse me with "fraternizing with the enemy". I have written several very long posts about what is wrong with AW.

[Mike12]

What's up with these women dropping hundreds of pounds almost over night? Star Jones is almost unrecognizable right now. That big biatch lost a lot of weight. Did she have some stomach reduction surgery like Carnie Wilson? A couple thousand can get you all kinds of new body parts and looks nowadays. Oprah goes up and down all the time. Was talking to a friend today and could not believe how skinny she was, as 3 years ago she was borderline fat. One co-worker got a man and gained so much weight that she looked like a different person. Lucky guy there..... don't have anything against overweight people as I know some real great folks male and female, but the thought of meeting a broad and getting serious and a year later she balloons up with the quickness is not a pleasant thought.

[DirkDingy]

street hoes making 100k a year??? all this econ and math stuff is over my head, but, it seems to me, that that's 2000 tricks a year... most street hoes have pimps so they don't keep any of it though.

100k for a mistress. that's absurd.

[CBGBConnisur]

100K a year tax free is not an exaggeration, also with the fact that their income is unreported they can apply for medicaid and public housing, which many of them do. Some of them become "kept women" if they can find a sucker to avoid the social stigma of being a real hooker. For the mongerer who needs time to travel, I would say the more laid back European and Ozzie way of life is much better than what most experience in the US, unless your famous or ultra rich its going to be hard for the average American to travel the world, most folks work longer hours with fewer vacations and make less money.
My own personal story, I was nearly in debt in New York City, by far the most expensive city in the US, not earning enough to be a player. I got fed up and moved down under, now I am a home owner and actually live better in Australia than I do in the US, I also work about half the hours(30 versus 60 for my big corporation in the US of A). Unique experience yours may vary.

[DirkDingy]

[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]100K a year tax free is not an exaggeration, also with the fact that their income is unreported they can apply for medicaid and public housing, which many of them do.QUOTE]

that's like odb (old dirty bastard) making dough with wutang and still collecting foodstamps and living in the projects. i think he did time for welfare fraud, if i can recall correctly. lol.

[Bart9000]

the "post-mortem" reinterpretation of senseless babbling. It is really easy to change what you "meant" earlier when what you said didn't make any fucking sense in the first place.

Hey watch this:

The triglycerides, from the scalpel, lipids, and platelets dervived from the arterial vena cava, neurotransmittters. Therefore, the scapula, having received a transfusion, led to the anterior nerve.

Those are some mighty big impressive words aren't they. After all, I'm a medical expert and a genius.

What do you mean I don't know what I'm talking about?

You must not be high level enough to undersand what I am talking about. Any idiot can see that I meant "Big Macs will kill you".

[Leeuwen]

...lower standard of living in western europe is because they are socialist countries with ungodly tax rates.oh dear, i had not idea it would cause such controverse. people get so upset when proved wrong. main reason why i posted was to correct misconceptions and pure inventions, not to change someone's political beliefs. i have spent four years living and working in california and therefore in position for a qualified comparision between europe and the u.s. the aforementioned claim "lower standard of living in western europe is because they are socialist countries with ungodly tax rates" is either nonsense or perhaps falsehood with deliberate intent to deceive. actually there are two errors in that statment:

first, the lower standard of living you claim is apparently what you perceive, since reports claim opposite

(un development index (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/un_human_development_index)).

secondly, you seem to be under impression that europe consists of "socialist countries". dead wrong. there are countries ruled by either a social-democratic party (the uk, spain, sweden) or a conservative (the netherlands, germany, italy) party. lower standard of living in the usa is because they are republicans with ungodly late office hours, would sound equally absurd.

before you categorically condemn european taxes and half of its political spectrum, bear in mind that here, taxes also pay for kids' college, a significant expense in the states. say you have two or three kids and each of them wants to attend a decent college. say you wish to live in an open society, relatively free form crime and ghettos. say you don't want to live in a society where an ambulance leaves people needing health care on the sidewalk, because they have no valid health insurance. non-exitstent to very low tax is great, but it will bite you in the other end.

canada beats usa - but loses gold to sweden (http://www.ccsd.ca/pubs/2002/olympic/indicators.htm) proves much of it, and gives a hint what ingredients are necessary for a functional modern society. how do you explain the 22,4% child poverty rate in the u.s vs sweden's 2,6% documented there? is this what higher standard of living is all about? from the same source:

"american families have to pay much more out of their own pockets for health care and education, which wipes out a lot of the benefits of those vaunted lower taxes."

interestingly, you emphasize importance of big tv sets and number of cars in the household. these attributes are symbols of status and prosperity in russia and many ee countries. people there spend considerable part of their savings on the car, preferably a german premium one. it's hard to believe, but i have seen more luxurious mercedes, bwm and audi in russia than in the netherlands. does this phenomenon make average russian wealthier than average dutch, german or swede? no, but your argumentation suggests it's the case.

hey, my peers can easily afford two cars, and yet unamrried, but for what reason? even the one i own is rarely used due to completely different city layout in europe compared to the u.s. while i would have serious doubts about using public com***ication in the u.s (crossing bad neigbourhoods, homeless people), given there is bus or subway in your residential area, i don't have to think twice when i jump a late night on the tram in amsterdam. these difference stretch beyond ***icipal transportation services and illustrate distinctive cultural characters. for example in the netherlands and sweden, taking bike to the office is very common and encouraged, but highly unusual in the u.s, maybe due to absent of bicycle lanes there, separating bikers from car traffic.

regarding big tv sets, what i have observed is following: the lower social class the bigger tv set. there is a category of people who enjoy watching tv and movies more than anything else, and thereby are more interested in big tv sets. lacking of rich social life or interesting job leaves the tv set as last resort of having good time. after eight hours in the office and several hours in front of the computer monitor, i'm not seeing forward to go home and keep staring at yet another screen. no wonder people complain about aw when cars and tv sets are glorified. if obesity wouldn't be enough, she gets dumbed down by tv shows as well. computer games... here we come, fat kids.

[CBGBConnisur]

I one time met a woman whose father is a US Army officer and mother is German, she was raised in Germany and lives there, her attitude is much different than one of a woman raised in the US. It proves a couple of things, that race isn't the issue, some of the anti-caucasian female is rhetoric is BS. Second its more of an issue of environment in shaping one's world view and disposition. Just some food for thought.

[Bart9000]

COMMENT (not "pass judgement"-nice try, with emotionally evocative language to counter logic and reason) on these subjects is a reasonably strong grasp on reality (something you most definitely lack), a fairly high degree of expertise on human behavior with money (also known as the study of finance and/or economics), and a bit of knowledge about prostitution gained by taking a class from a sociologist who was an expert in prostitution (he actually brought in a gentleman with severe cerebral palsy, who used the services of prostitutes to answer questions on his viewpoint of the subject).

Yes, I am aware, as well as is anyone with half a brain parts of California (as well as NYC, London, Paris, Tokyo.....) have a very high cost of living...and generally subsequently high wages, or otherwise, no one would be able to afford to live there. Yes, an entry level "starter house" costs 700K there, but I have heard (I don't have definitive confirmation on this) that Best Buy employees in some parts of California make 50K a year. Where I live, Best Buy employees make about $12,000 a year, and a decent starter home costs about $100,000....more or less it is the same game, just on a different scale.


That being the case, yes, a $100,000 isn't that much money in a "high rent area", and you probably wouldn't be able to "keep" much of a woman for that amount. As a guess, in the "high rent" areas, the going rate could be as much as $300-400,000.

You seem to be making a very naive uninformed assumption that people simply choose to do the work that has the highest monetary compensation. In reality, what someone is willing to do for a given level of monetary compensation is highly dependent on their individiual circumstances (this is known as an "opportunity cost"-do yourself a favor, look it up and learn something). Take a theoretical example. Hot party girl Stacy age 27 graduates with an Phd in Art History. Her academic achievement was less than impressive, and she had only entered the program as an excuse to stay in college and not enter the "real world". Finding the avenues traditionally open to someone with her education (academia, and I guess being the curator of a museum) closed to her due to her marginal academic performance, she is likely looking at employment in some kind of mopey whitecollar job. Now this hot girl probably could make a pretty healthy six figure sum turning tricks in the street (or enduring the less than pleasant life of a brothel girl), but why would she risk her life, health and reputation for that sum when she can have a reasonably comfortable existence enduring the drudgery of the mopey whitecollar job, or move home with her upper middle class parents....both until she snares an investment banker husband, and lives comfortably on his income. However, should this girl encounter theoretical art loving head legal counsel (fat, ugly and creepy at age 54) for Merrill Lynch (net worth 38 Million), who really wants to fuck her....she just might give up some ass to him if he "lets her stay" at a ritzy condo he owns downtown as an investment property, lets her drive one of his Jaguars, and eventually comes around to giving her an "allowance"....she becomes "kept". and a type of prostitute, even though she may in fact be able to earn more money turning tricks on the street or in a brothel.

Conversely examine the opportunity cost of Brandy a homeless teenage runaway in LA......whose "opportunity cost" is constantly enduring borderline starvation, and the rigors of the street. Making a lot of money for fucking guys she doesn't find attractive (she is already enduring a lot of the discomfort and risk assumed by a streetwalker-those costs are "off the table"), may well be preferable to starvation, plus she can then support a drug habit to help her cope with that lifestyle.

And I see below that you still don't know what "GDP" means, despite me telling you. Don't believe me? Here:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_domestic_product

http://economics.about.com/cs/economicsglossary/g/gdp.htm

http://www.investorwords.com/2240/Gross_Domestic_Product.html

[One Wing Low]

if you wanna talk economics.

This forum here is for the bros talking hoes and sex!

[Bart9000]

Many are laughing their ass out. Taking class from a sociologist who was an 'expert' in prostitition - and you call that reality? 1 Hr, 10 Hr class?



So the logical, learned, analytical well researched findings of a professional scholar mean nothing to you. That says a lot about you there-I guess we know you prefer random illogical babbling.. By the way, this gentleman actually went along on police "ride alongs", and once in that capacity happened on a bust of one of his students in engaging in an act of prostitution. It sounds like he is really isolated from reality.




'Lower grade' in my book is judgement. I wouldn't say that a steel worker is lower grade than your job, or vice versa. The same reason that I wouldn't say a street walker is lower grade than a kept woman, or vice versa.




Well, we know about your judgement-it is ignorant, uneducated, random, and illogical. By the way, I never claimed to be "higher" than a steelworker-I only stated that the risks associated with and the company kept were not worth the additional pay to me, so I don't do that kind of work.



It is you who like to judge high or low grade. You can compare income, some street walker can earn well over $300K pa. If you compare physical, there are plenty of pretty 18 year old street walkers in good shape. By the time some girl have an education, they are old bag by comparison regarding age, and a few years of dorm sex cause lots of wear and tear.

Hmmm...we now seem to be attacking me, attempting to paint me as classist and judgemental.....very interesting that you are resorting to personal attacks instead of defending the merits of your "assertions".

Also,! notice your figure of how much money a streetwalker can make gets bigger and bigger as you have to stretch more and more to make your argument. Let's do a bit of math here....generously say, $100 a fuck, that is 3000 fucks......No vacation, no time in jail, no sick days, no payments to a pimp, working 6 days a week....works out to just under 10 fucks a day-I guess that is possible. However, I know girls who work in a high turnover brothel in Prague, that have about 70% of that workload......and they aren't happy campers. Also, these are girls who get to lounge around on couches in a climate controlled environment when they aren't servicing clients. Do you think that standing on a street all day (in high heels no less) in the head and or cold watching over your shoulder is a pleasant work environment. Also, how many 18-20 year old girls do you know that if self employed, (if not they have a pimp who must be paid, up to 100%), keeping their own schedule, with say $1500 iin their purse would go to out and hit the streets. Most of the 18-20 year old girls I know would under that circumstance go out and blow the money shopping, shopping, drinking......until the money was gone and then they would go back to work.

The "dorm sex" thing is just ignorant. In Prague, in just 3 short months, I saw a hot 19 year old Italian prostitute go from being about an "8.5" on the scale of 10 to about a 6. And again as more or less a "brothel girl", with a much cushier life than a SW. College conversely has a built in constraint...if you do to many unhealthy things (drink, smoke, drugs, stay out all night......) you eventually begin to fail academically and get removed from that environment.


I wouldn't judge which kind of prostitution is higher grade. It's personal choice and circumstances. If you count making the most money per fuck, many will agree that Bart's wife is the best!


Again, personal attack, in leiu of reasoned defense.



The reality is, you are lucky if someone will keep you for $300K. You don't know who are potential employers, and if you know you may not be able to meet them. There's no place to submit aplications. By all means if you can do it for $100K, provided you have something to fall back on your retirement. For most girls in their prime, simply I would suggest that if they do it, it have to be big time, at least securing a decent house in a year or two. Otherwise it's not worth it to go in - opportunity cost.


Hmmmm....I wonder how many girls walking the streets manage to save all their money, and go out to buy real estate. It has been my experience that people from rough backgrounds (teenage runaway) live day by day, without even a thoght to next week, let alone a couple of years out.

Judging from what you get from your 'prostitution' course, I would say the course fails miserably. My qualification is that I fucked them all, like many people, I have done many nationalities in several continents, easy. With the tech boom, I have done quite a few leggy blond with blue eyes as long as they ask for less than 1K. Some agents will call me up when someone new comes to town. Many aren't listed on the internet. By referral and buy into client lists, they get better, safer clients.
I have spent the whole season doing 'field research' on SW. I hunted for the best and tracked them day and night. To understand why they do it that way.
Of course I fucked kept woman, but I'm not the one keeping them at the time, while they were supposed to be shopping. That's the reality, stupid. Exclusive my ass. If you don't give them enough extra gift, they can get cash anytime.
And I even fucked a girl with a rich boy friend. He got her excellent genes. She gets her cash so she can do whatever she wants, while using her boy friends 'blank check' card leave records. I got to fuck a low volume provider when she wants cash, who like many AW kept sex with their future husband to a minimum. Everybody were happy.




I'm sure that if you gave a mentally retarded guy a wallet, he could duplicate all of your "accomplishments"....I'm sure that he would develop opinions also.....with just about as much valididy as yours.

By the way, assuming you aren't delusional/lying (unlikey) about "low volume" et, all, my take was that they were prostitutes, as opposed to "normal girls" (in response to Astor's assertion that they were "normal girls".). That being the case, it wouldnt surprise me too much if some of them used their copious free time to screw for money.

[Bart9000]

So you listen to a guy who can't even walk and think that you understand the risk in the streets?

You are referrin to the gentleman with cerebral palsey, who has a physical disability. That isn't very politically correct James...I thought I was the bad person who liked to judge others.



Many risks don't apply to those under 20 year old pretty white girls.

Bullshit.


That's why some of them went into the industry in the 1st place.

Also Bullshit. Becoming a streetwalker is a desperation move, to avoid starvation, homelessness, or support a drug habit.



For their good looks, it's an advantage to work in day time so the potential clients can see them clearly. And many escorts, say most girls listed on the internet in LA, will do poorly if their clients can watch them for a few minutes before deciding.



.........These girls pick clients carefully. It's like a factory line of clients and you stop the ones that you fancy. It helps to have a flashy SUV or clean sedan. So is an apparent honest simply hard working man. Having superior BMI also helps to be seen as less risky.



What you are basically describing is a "sellers market", where demand exceeds supply-buyers are lined up, and girls can actually pick and choose among them. This, an illegal activity (subject to public complaint, punishable by loss of your car, public humiliation, and possibly loss of your job, and also easily "stung" by vice cops looking to make a quick arrest) is supposedly taking place in the daytime, on a public street. I don't buy it.




They have systems and often work in pairs or packs. While they are at it, someone will be watching near the car or the motel room. Most of them have walkie talkies.

Ummm OK, I guess the concept of a little cooperation isn't as completely ridiculous as some other assertions.

Traditional incall or outcall are just blind dates by comparison. For the money these girls are making, they are actually paying a female body guard to watch over them when they feel they need it.


Female body guard-these girls "situation" changes minute by minute. Do they have the bodyguard "on call", and able to arrive within 2 minutes of being summoned. where do they stay? Do the girls only turn tricks outside the bodyguard's office or home? Or is the bodyguard kept around all the time? How much does a bodyguard cost in LA-$100 an hou as a guess? Being party to an illegal activity that could result in arrest as an accessory probably demands a premium of say $50 an hour just to pull a number out of the air.

Let's see, $150 an hour X 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year is about $300,000 an year, I guess the girl could theoretically pool their resources and do this but.....I'm inclined to call yet even more bullshit.

[Capt Ajax]

I one time met a woman whose father is a US Army officer and mother is German, she was raised in Germany and lives there, her attitude is much different than one of a woman raised in the US. It proves a couple of things, that race isn't the issue, some of the anti-caucasian female is rhetoric is BS. Second its more of an issue of environment in shaping one's world view and disposition. Just some food for thought.

CBGBConnisur - IMHO some of the most screwed up women I've met in the US are Black American women....especially the ones from the ghetto. This may also apply to other races of women living in the ghetto. I've had no problem with black women from other countries.

[CBGBConnisur]

GDP doesn't mean shit, James is a freakin idiot, no wonder Pauline Hansons and other xenophobes became popular in Australia and other Western countries. The real number of substance is the GINI index which is the distribution of income, in that measure a larger percentage of the population is better off, there are a few rich people in the US these days and most people are getting poorer, all the gains from economic growth only went to the upper 20 percent of the population. The USA has a GINI index of a third world country, while most of Western Europe, Japan, and Australia have a more fair distribution, frankly I earn more money down under, even adjusted for exchange rates in Australia than I did in the US.

[One Wing Low]

cbgbconnisur - imho some of the most screwed up women i've met in the us are black american women....especially the ones from the ghetto. this may also apply to other races of women living in the ghetto. i've had no problem with black women from other countries.

black men and women in other countries behave like good, honest people. i know quite a few non-black americans who live with respect and dignity in poverty.

oth most black people in america have not made it out of the ghettos yet and generally behave like a bunch of stupid assholes 24 hours a day to everyone. even quite a few top black executives act like a bunch of dumbest bastards. i am an easy-going and tolerant guy, yet i cannot stand them.

it's very strange. like that famous singer, who turned into a weirdo, his entire family, sons and daughters were raped by their asshole dad when they were young. that's how evil they are. these black people in america are just stupid, evil and spoiled fucking rotten. no wonder a lot of people just avoid them.

the rest of the people in america do not behave like the blacks. do not treat americans on basis of how the blacks behave.

[Bart9000]

this is just a little racist. there are plenty of hardworking, proud honest succesful african americans in this country. yes, a segment of their society does behave as you are detailing below, but there are plenty of white people who are total fucking idiots too-stupidity, foolishness, and being an asshole aren't functions of race.





black men and women in other countries behave like good, honest people. i know quite a few non-black americans who live with respect and dignity in poverty.

oth most black people in america have not made it out of the ghettos yet and generally behave like a bunch of stupid assholes 24 hours a day to everyone. even quite a few top black executives act like a bunch of dumbest bastards. i am an easy-going and tolerant guy, yet i cannot stand them.

it's very strange. like that famous singer, who turned into a weirdo, his entire family, sons and daughters were raped by their asshole dad when they were young. that's how evil they are. these black people in america are just stupid, evil and spoiled fucking rotten. no wonder a lot of people just avoid them.

the rest of the people in america do not behave like the blacks. do not treat americans on basis of how the blacks behave.

[CBGBConnisur]

There are tons of white Americans that are complete morons, I can name one wing as being one of them. Most of the people who buy into the hip hop thing are actually white.

[DirkDingy]

black men and women in other countries behave like good, honest people. i know quite a few non-black americans who live with respect and dignity in poverty.

oth most black people in america have not made it out of the ghettos yet and generally behave like a bunch of stupid assholes 24 hours a day to everyone. even quite a few top black executives act like a bunch of dumbest bastards. i am an easy-going and tolerant guy, yet i cannot stand them.

it's very strange. like that famous singer, who turned into a weirdo, his entire family, sons and daughters were raped by their asshole dad when they were young. that's how evil they are. these black people in america are just stupid, evil and spoiled fucking rotten. no wonder a lot of people just avoid them.

the rest of the people in america do not behave like the blacks. do not treat americans on basis of how the blacks behave.

owl.

i’m sorry that you feel the way that you do about american blacks. did you have a bad experience? many of the white guys that have a problem with blacks in places like california were either victimized or had their woman “stolen” by a black person.

not all blacks live in ghettos, although, unfortunately, there is a disproportionate number of blacks that belong to america’s forgotten underclass. however, there are just as many, if not more, whites that exhibit similar anti-social behavior in the trailer parks, ozarks, and backwoods of america. as bart stated, there are a lot more successful and middle class blacks that the mainstream media would lead you to believe that there are. however, if you are and out-and-out racist no amount of logic or argument will change your opinion.

i though you were a guy that i saw eye-to-eye with. i guess i was wrong. i am disappointed.

best of luck.

[Sinanju Master]

You have an experience with one or a very FEW black people and you form a negative opinion about them ALL! First of all, OWL, I'M Black. Talking to me on the phone, you would never guess that. Another thing; almost DAILY, I encounter whites whom I find are less educated than me, yet they still look down on me as less than a second class citizen, because they cling to their ignorance like Linus does to his security blanket. Many times while in conversation with whites, I find that where it comes to history, current events, use of language, travel, cultural exposure and life experience, I see evidence of deficient schooling and a lack of a refinement and worldly outlook. YET, the only thing that matters to them is an ACCIDENT OF BIRTH regarding the color of their skin! It's almost as if their defense for their lack of refinement and education is: "Yeah, you may be well-rounded and educated and all, but I'm WHITE". It's almost as if THAT statement is an excuse for being and STAYING ignorant! If THAT'S all you have going for you, then God help you.

Before anyone decides to nuke me with negative responses, most of my friends are WHITE and it is THEY who eventually came to understand that judging a book by its cover was a COLOSSAL mistake...

[Sinanju Master]

“AM are most dangerous as they can buy heavy assult weapons legally and easily.”


What about Muslim males in Afghanistan? Especially the Taliban? Or Muslim (insurgent) males in Iraq? By YOUR logic, JD2004, these males are far less dangerous than AM’s, even though they actually KILL instead of just LOOKING threatening.

“AM has serous drug problems compared to rest of world.”

What about the Somali Rebels who chew KHAT? Khat is a drug much like marijuana and these soldiers chew it like chewing gum, since it is so readily available. What about Afghan, Iraqi and Iranian males who are opium junkies because of the readily available and LEGAL supply of that drug?

"Since the (homo) sexuality of their colonial master is often the subject of jokes, AM often try to prove their manhood by, laughingly, driving monster trucks on the road, or Hummer."

What about the young Jihaddis who carry around rocket-propelled grenade launchers hoping to use it in battle for the simple fact that they feel it will prove that they are a MAN? Or the Asian gangsters who flaunt their wealth by driving comparably sized vehicles as you described?


"Now for the feel good factor. How much it cost to entice an AW lounge lizard to serve you? As I explained in the Price forum it ain't worth it. For some $300 to $400, it's better to pay somebody with a good track record, or to get a better car."

And just HOW would you find someone with a good track record? The Better Business Bureau? Yeah… right…, keep dreaming. The opinion of another monger? Maybe but THAT is subjective at best. Also, you have to remember that since P4P is ILLEGAL in the US, she can take your money, claim to the authorities that you are trying to assault her and you look like a fool who is out $300-$400.

"American high schools are rather good. "

Do you even READ a newspaper or watch the news on television about America’s high schools? They are becoming a LAUGHINGSTOCK to the rest of the world.

I have held my tongue for far too long, JD '04, but I think your logic comes from BEYOND left field at times and just reading your posts makes me feel like I have to dumb myself down in order to stay with it....

[Latina Passion]

an asswhole is an asswhole, in any race, regligion, or part of the world!

i have a daughter with bleach blonde hair, i have cousins that are half japanese, my sir name is english, my mother's sir name is italian, my uncle was a speech writer for dr. king!

so what am i? and who really cares? i'll give you a hint, i'll give you a clue hell i'll even throw you a life line! whenever i'm asked what race i am, i always put down human! now imagine that!

now what member of the rat race started this to begin with and why? lmao

i almost forgot i was married to a lazy ass white puta, but hell that could happen to anyone!

[Doctor_Skank]

Ya'll are writing some really dumb shit lately. Get with the program... here we write about fucking. If you havent figured out that all races are created equal, then go back to school. Our enemy is the state, religious freaks of ALL persuasions and women that are schooled by society to hate and manipulate men.

Men, let's stick together. Behave like true men, respect women, behave as decently possible and respect one another.

[Chocha Monger]

Dr Skank,

I have to agree with you on that, this thread has hit some serious lows lately.
This is possibly the lowest point since the "American Women" thread was created. Feminists all over must be laughing their asses of watching American men turning their frustrations and prejudices against each other.

[Furiouz]

Ya'll are writing some really dumb shit lately. Get with the program... here we write about fucking. If you havent figured out that all races are created equal, then go back to school. Our enemy is the state, religious freaks of ALL persuasions and women that are schooled by society to hate and manipulate men.

Men, let's stick together. Behave like true men, respect women, behave as decently possible and respect one another.Dr. Skank, you are my hero.

One Wing Low - Wow. You are not overtly racist are you? How many blacks have you met in your lifetime? I sure know it was no one I knew, or from my family.

Guys, I work in a gym in a wealthy city, San Marino. Some of the nicest women that come in are single American women. Some of the BIGGEST bitches are married foreign women. However, in general, women who come in the club are less polite and more self-centered then men. The men will chat about anything, ask how the day is going, etc. A lot of the time the women are on the phone, will not say hello, will pretty much treat you like a servant. This attitude goes beyond nationality or color (we are all homo sapiens). Women, in general, treat men like shit. This is not a whine or complaint, this is an observation after working 3 years as a cashier. And in general, AW are way more self-absorbed and bitchy then foreign women. Period.

I heard the best comment on 97.1 the other day " too many men kiss the ass of mediocre women, which makes it harder for the rest of us"

Respect.

F

[Bart9000]

you forgot the greatest james post of all time (doubles as the stupidest fucking thing ever said on this forum):


"there's not enough penis to go around."


james,

your insistence that you have deep knowledge and insight into the world of prostitution because you have fucked a couple of hookers is analogous to driving 100,000 miles and then declaring yourself an expert in automotive engineering.

you dismiss the knowledge imparted to me in a classroom, by someone who has in an unbiased and scholarly manner interviewed prostitutes, mongers, and law enforcement officers in order to advance the body of human knowledge in social science research. that class was 13 years ago. i happene to look up the gentleman teaching it last night. these days he is conducting research (using i'm sure the same data gathering methodology) into children released from orphanages into russian society at the age of majority. by your logic, anything he discovers in the course of his research is invalid because he didn't fuck his research subjects.

i can determine, from the from my educated, somewhat experienced viewpoint that the things you are saying do not reflect actual reality. although i won't take the time to delve into all of them, let me just address one little thing. you describe a hyper organized, disciplined motivated, goal directed army of attractive 18, 19, and 20 year old girls. i may have never picked up a streetwalker in la, but i know have known probably 3-400 pretty 18-19 year old girls over the last 20 years of my life. as a class, they tend to be flighty and irresponsible. furthermore, i have known a lot of fucked up girls-[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) and [CodeWord130] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord130) sexual abuse survivors, people with substance abuse problems (this is the background of your sw's whether you believe it or not)......even moreso than your typical girl previously described, girls like this live not even day by day, but hour by hour. they do things like, upon receiving an unexpected cash windfall, using it to buy a round of drinks in a bar instead of paying off their landlord who is on the verge of kickin her our of her apartment. what they don't do is act en masse in the ways you are describing....at least not of their own accord. if you told me that there was one girl (an "outlying variable") like that it might be a little more credible.

as the things you are saying do not accurately reflect reality, there are two posibliities. the first is that you are stone lying and making shit up. i don't know your motivation for doing so. maybe it's to be a troll, and maybe it's to get attention. i don't know. the other possibility is that you actually do believe the bullshit you are spewing. it is strongly possible that this line of crap was born in the delusions of a fucked up teen age runaway turned streetwalker(hopefully of the age of majority). i was recently informed by a friend who is an occupational therapist (i suppose his knowledge and opinion are invalid also) that certain mental disorders (bi-polar) are characterized by exagggeration, flamboyance, and deluions of grandeur. many people on the streets suffer from untreated mental disorders, and i could easily see this picture being painted by a fucked up girl.

of course there is a compounding factor. you are appearently at least born into another culture (i"m not bashing this), and don't completely understand what is happening in front of you, apearently possess a lower than average iq (or at least lack the capacty for logical and analytical thinking-possibly this also is part of a mental disorder), are undereducated, and are from a very "sheltered" background. i suspect for example (this is conjuecture) that you currently live with or did live well into adulthood with your parent. the effect of the afore mentioned (if you aren't just making shit up to get attention), is that you are very naive, gullible, and don't have a "bullshit filter"-believing and regurgitate crap you have been told by the poor victims of society that these girls actually are.

also, you insist on holding forth about, at length about things you don't have any knowledge of. this is really fucking annoying. as previouly mentioned, your knowledge level of some of the things you are posting about is so low that you don't realize that you don't know what you are talking about. there are things that i myself am incompetent with like for example auto mechanics. the difference is however, that i know that i am not enough of an expert in this area to discuss it knowledgeably and in depth, so i don't do it. you don't appear to be subject to any such constraints

why have i chosen to criticize you? the same reason that i clean bird shit off my windshield. yes, i could probably see what i need to without doing so, but i would vastly prefer not to look at it.

b9k

ps here is an article i found-appearently published in a toledo newpaper. i do not know anything about the author.
http://www.toledocitypaper.com/cover021005.html


prostitution
by michael brooks

in films such as “pretty woman” hollywood producers have sought to glamorize the lives and work of prostitutes. beautiful, collagen and silicone-enhanced women walk seductively on a tree-lined boulevard waiting for a modern-day prince charming to come along and drive off in a ferrari to an 8,000-square-foot mansion.
the reality, according to university of toledo social work professor celia williamson, does not resemble a julia roberts fantasy or an eminem video.
“ violence in street prostitution is frequent, pervasive and heinous,” said williamson. “every day in toledo violence is committed against women in prostitution.”
prostitutes, however, rarely report [CodeWord124] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124), beatings and other abuse.
“ these women are not going to call police themselves,” she said. “they realize that it is difficult to present themselves as credible victims.”
while unable to provide hard numbers of the prostitutes who came forward to file complaints of violence, the spokesperson for the lucas county prosecutor’s office did acknowledge that “it does happen, and it is a problem.”
one of the predominant myths about prostitution is that women who enter the sex trade choose their fate. according to williamson, this statement contains only a nugget of truth.
“ the choices, however, are sometimes between starvation and prostitution,” she said. “there are barriers to poor women in the conventional economy; prostitution is a wide open market for them to survive.”
another myth is the adage that prostitution is a victimless crime.
“ in addition to the violence against women, many people do not recognize the hidden victims, such as the neglected children of prostitutes, or the young teenage girls who are lured into the business,” said williamson.
there is also a misperception of prostitution as being limited to streetwalkers. williamson estimated that street-level prostitution accounts for only 30 percent of the trade.
“ there is a hierarchy in prostitution,” she said, noting that women can ply the trade through fronts in businesses such as massage parlors, lingerie modeling and strip clubs, as well as high-priced, out-call services.
“ as a society, we focus on streetwalkers because they are highly visible, and their vulnerability makes them the targets of vicious crimes,” said williamson.
finally, many people mistakenly believe in the idea that prostitution is a crime in which there is “no harm done” and that the private negotiations between the prostitute and the john should be the business of no one else.
“ everyone pays for the costs of women trapped in the cycle of prostitution,” she said. the hidden costs, which she estimated at $2.2 million annually for lucas county, involve such factors as prosecuting and incarcerating prostitutes, providing services to abused and neglected children and costs for substance abuse and mental health services.
according to williamson, as many as 60 percent of women in the nation’s prisons have their first contact with the criminal justice system through prostitution-related crimes. at any given time, one-third of all female inmates nationwide owe their incarceration to the sex trade.
williamson’s research on toledo prostitutes demonstrated that 81 percent of all women involved in prostitution have not completed their high school diploma, and 48 percent had no previous work history prior to entering the profession. more strikingly, every woman interviewed was eligible for welfare benefits, and every interviewee came from a home that experienced poverty.
street prostitution is largely representative of the poor, single and less educated,” said williamson. “eighty percent of women in transitional housing have turned, at some point, to prostitution in order to survive.”
williamson’s research indicates that the average toledo streetwalker is arrested 27 times in her career and averages 2.5 arrests per year for prostitution-related crimes.
“ in addition to the legal problems, prostitutes face increased risk of hiv, drug addiction and mental health problems,” she said, noting that 68 percent of toledo street prostitutes have suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder from the violence they have encountered on the streets. williamson’s interviews with prostitutes have revealed a world of appalling cruelty heaped upon women who have already faced lifetimes of abuse.
toledo’s streetwalkers live in a world far removed from the glitter of rodeo drive and the charm of richard gere

well, who's attacking who? me ignorant? it's you who confess that the only knowledge you have about street walkers is from a class. what you said about prostution doesn't even appear to be learnt from the class. that makes you ignorant based on facts. so you know who i'm and what my education is? like anything you said, it's guess work.

[James D 2004]

You forgot the greatest James post of all time (doubles as the stupidest fucking thing ever said on this forum):

"There's not enough penis to go around."
Did I say that? Great indeed. It just sound great in a sound bite. As for the truth, American has more women than men. And for 300 mil people, a slight mismatch in ratio will generate lots of women that have no hope to pair up. And even with Viagra, women can have a longer sex life with less problem. Have you seen the desperate house wife on TV? If they are far from reality nobody will watch. And there are lots of overweight single moms that DJ won't touch.

If you don't realize it yet, it's your signature, attacking without any facts and analysis to back it up.

[One Wing Low]

They are a lot of fun to goof around with. I had some serious good fucks with a few black girls.

A lot of my Mexican 'friends' are the chicas in TJ. They are very nice and sweet.

I have a lot of respect for gen. Colin Powell, the commander of allied force in the Guld war in 1991, and former Secretary of State. He's a capable and principled man, who made it to the top leadership positions in the US, despite the fact that he's black and was born in Jamaica. He's the only cabinet-level person who had the courage to object the hasty and ill-reasoned war against Iraq. He resigned his cabinet post because of it. We could all follow the examples set by gen. Colin Powell.

I have a few black friends from Jamaica and am always impressed by the impeccable manners they conduct themselves.

Come to think of it, I know a few Caucasian and Asian folks in America who behave like stupidest assholes. I can think of a few who act like trash. I could not believe people in the Arizona desert who shot to kill illegal Mexican immigrants, who went into their properties begging for water. Damn, what this world is coming to with crude, uncaring, nasty people.

I know a disproportionately high number of black guys/girls in corporate America who learned it the hard way after losing their jobs, or getting demoted for attitudes they hold, things they did, decisions they made, that did not fit in with the norms, or outright violated work place laws.

I always judge people carefully and individually by their deeds regardless of their skin colors. Since I have no problem with black people in Canada, England, France and the Carribean, I am not a racist. In fact, I even enjoy their fun, happy, easy-going disposition.

Read the popular press. It is widely recognized that whites, blacks, Mexicans, Asians in America are spoiled and tend to behave much worse than people in their native countries.

[Furiouz]

Please take it to PMs.

[Bart9000]

The fact that you spew some randon nonsensical crap (subject to easy re-interpretation later becaue it didnt' make any fucking sense in the first place), and put it next to my writing does not mean that you have refuted my assertions. Consequently, I'm not going to bother answering you point by point-you will just go back and say "That isn't what I meant"

You bring up that you have degrees. Degrees don't make you not a moron. Not being a moron makes you not a moron. There was a woman in one of my graduate classes who when called upon to make a reasoned argument for or against an issue was able to do nothing more than spout propaganda ("Let's do it for the children"). For that matter, having some skill in some area (assuming you aren't full of shit), such as technology doesn't make you not a moron. An old boss of mine was actually one of the pre-eminent national authorities over a specialized corporate finance function but he was almost as much of a backwards ass fuck as you are.

The "there isn't enough penis to go around" thing is pretty typical. You hear one little bit of information-there are more women than men, and draw an erroneous conclusion from it. The reason that there are more women than men is that women live longer than men. This means that there are more elderly women than elderly men. I don't want to fuck an elderly woman. Most older men don't want to fuck an elderly woman. Do you want to fuck an elderly woman? In fact, the genders are more equally balanced in youth, and middle age.

So, your "common sense" method of determining that these girls are becoming independently wealthy is watching how many get into cars. Tell me, do you then follow them and make sure that they aren't giving (as per tradition) 100% of their money to their pimp.. Have you then noted and taken into account the next day that one who made $1200 the previous day isn't around for a week because she took a beating and had to spend the night in the hospital @ $500, and then another week off the street "healing up". Or seen her blow it all on subtance abuse (which could be in this case considered a "business expense", effectively making "Net Income" zero) attempting to cope with the difficulty of her life.

Your "common sense" methods of gathering and interpreting information are ignorant, simple, minded, and also erroneous. But again, you don't realize this because at the lowest level of incompetence, you don't realize how incompetent you are.

Oh by the way, try sometime just summarily dismissing contradictory valid supporting evidence (the article I posted, citing learned and experienced opinion) as "just bullshit" in say a criminal court. Then you would actually have some expert knowledge about "tossing the salad" and being cornholed.

One final thing. You put up a picture of an attractive young girl as "evidence" of something or other-presumably that she is hot. What does this refute that I have said. Yes, this girl probably does turn tricks on the street when her escort business is slow-I have heard of this practice. So? I acknowledged in a previous post that some streetwalkers are young and attractive, particularly in California, "The Promised Land". Interestingly, you assert that using an esort is about the same price as an escort. You have said that you can sleep with a streetwalker for "under $100". Can you document, 3-4 advertised examples of a young and attractive escort that will work for this price?

B9K

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[DirkDingy]

They are a lot of fun to goof around with. I had some serious good fucks with a few black girls.

A lot of my Mexican 'friends' are the chicas in TJ. They are very nice and sweet.

I have a lot of respect for gen. Colin Powell, the commander of allied force in the Guld war in 1991, and former Secretary of State. He's a capable and principled man, who made it to the top leadership positions in the US, despite the fact that he's black and was born in Jamaica. He's the only cabinet-level person who had the courage to object the hasty and ill-reasoned war against Iraq. He resigned his cabinet post because of it. We could all follow the examples set by gen. Colin Powell.

I have a few black friends from Jamaica and am always impressed by the impeccable manners they conduct themselves.

Come to think of it, I know a few Caucasian and Asian folks in America who behave like stupidest assholes. I can think of a few who act like trash. I could not believe people in the Arizona desert who shot to kill illegal Mexican immigrants, who went into their properties begging for water. Damn, what this world is coming to with crude, uncaring, nasty people.

I know a disproportionately high number of black guys/girls in corporate America who learned it the hard way after losing their jobs, or getting demoted for attitudes they hold, things they did, decisions they made, that did not fit in with the norms, or outright violated work place laws.

I always judge people carefully and individually by their deeds regardless of their skin colors. Since I have no problem with black people in Canada, England, France and the Carribean, I am not a racist. In fact, I even enjoy their fun, happy, easy-going disposition.

Read the popular press. It is widely recognized that whites, blacks, Mexicans, Asians in America are spoiled and tend to behave much worse than people in their native countries.

No offense mate, but fucking black prostitutes and being amused by a minstrel show or two doesn’t mean that one is not a racist. In fact, I have often noticed that the first thing racists do when given the opportunity is to find the blackest prostitute they can find and fornicate with her. I certainly observed this in both Haiti and Liberia.

The reason why American backs proportionately exhibit more ant-social behaviors than Canadian, British, and West Indian Blacks is because of the legacy of slavery. Canada was an outpost for free blacks and England never really had slavery. The West Indies had slavery, but because of the high proportion of blacks on the islands the colonial masters were forced to employ some blacks as “professional” slaves; e.g., accountants, clerks, boat captains, and even doctors. The successful West Indian blacks, like Colin Powell, are largely descendants of these “professional” slaves.

Even in America, many successful blacks are the descendants from the more domesticated slaves.

America is quiet hypocritical when it comes to race. People like yourself, readily admit that you “can’t stand blacks” yet you have no qualms about bedding down with them. Strom Thurmond, a man who single-handedly denied hundreds of thousands of blacks their constitutional rights while advocating the supremacy of the redneck, had a black daughter that he…provided for…well into her adult life. In fact, he paraded her around Capital Hill. FYI, the average American black has 20% Caucasian ancestry. A helluva lot of white dudes couldn’t stand blacks huh?

Please tell me about these black executives who have run amuck of bizz norms. I would like to know more.

[CBGBConnisur]

Most of the AW bitchiness is pretty much a North American problem. Outside of the US and Canada, most guys have an escape hatch, a good window of time to get out and see the world. Some British guys have told me horror stories about their women, but across the ocean, on the continent they have an excellent place to escape, Brits get about 4-5 weeks off a year which is a very generous time allotment for someone who likes to travel to meet foreign women. I have know quite a few guys from the UK who came back with girlfriends and wives on trips to Eastern and Southern Europe, as well as other places. Australians have a similar hatch as well, most people here get longer vacations than the average working stiff in the States, and Australia is pretty close to Southeast Asia, so there is ample opportunity for the average Australian to get some international punani. Most friends of mine back home in the States rarely take vacations and because of the hire and fire policies at most US companies so they are afraid of taking a vacation, and even if they do they get a measly 2 weeks, some these guys make a really good living so I really don't feel sorry for them, but what good is money when you don't have the time to enjoy it??
The lack of access to regular travel in general makes it easy for your AW to manipulate the average American male. A few years ago when I started going international, I was literally blown away by some of the women I met abroad and kept boasting to my friends about the fine foreign pussy that exists outside of America's borders, most of them didn't buy it because they have never been abroad, and the current climate seems to enforce their attitudes, their loss is my gain as I get plenty of time to see the world, and despite what you seen on the news there are a lot of good things out there.

[Bart9000]

i realized something. i few posts back, i hypothesized that part of the pathology that is causing jame's behavior was a low iq. he responded something to the effect of "you can't give me an iq test". i realized yesterday that i inadvertantly did give him one.

some tests of mental aptitude, use the "ability to comprehend analogy relationships" as a measure of aptitude. see below:


"your insistence that you have deep knowledge and insight into the world of prostitution because you have fucked a couple of hookers is analogous to driving 100,000 miles and then declaring yourself an expert in automotive engineering."------me

jd - no, it's your brain that's so screwed up as to provide such a analogy. the correct analogy is that - i drive enough. and offically i'm qualify as an experienced driver for insurance purposes, and i get discount for it. so do many people too. you never drive. you take a few class in automotive engineering. but want to debate highway code with me or how to avoid getting speeding tickets. understand?


now had i asserted that i learned in the classroom, the practical "skills" of using streetwalkers, such as (i guess-i am pulling these out of my ass) avoiding the cops, making sure that hot girl isn't a tv, negotiating...whatever, then james's analogy would be valid. however, i didn't, and his assertion is therefore invalid.

what i did say was that banging streetwalkers doesn't make you into whatever kind of all knowing expert he perceives himself to be any more than someone who drive a car 100,000 miles is an automotive engineer....or someone who eats every day is a master chef, or someone who watches a lot of tv is a screenwriter......these are all valid analogies, accurrately reflecting the relationship between the two "variables"

as our friend here obviouly doesn't have the ability to grasp analogy relationships, i put this forth as further evidence that he may be slighty smarter than your average pile of dog shit.

b9k

[Bart9000]

I have become friends with a Mexican family-I work with most of them.

I was admiring how they all work together towards the common good for all, and generally have a good thing going

Son age 27 is the primary breadwinner. He works hard 60-75 hours a week at a physically and mentally draining job,

His mother and father live with them. I don't think his mother works. His father does still work, but not like son....he is (after I'm sure many years of 75 hour work weeks supporting his family) taking it relatively easy in his late forties early fifties (unless he has another job that I don't know about).

Son and girlfriend have two young children. Girlfriend has a full time job.

Son's two younger sisters age 21 and 18 also live with them. They work more or less full time.

This would sound like hell on earth to a typical American, family existence with more than your own spouse and children.

However, there are most definitely advantages.

Yes, son works very hard. However, when it is his time to relax, he can actually take it easy because his father is around to handle the things that typically turn into a "honey do" list (mowing the lawn, household repairs, etc)-or at least help him with them.

He doesn't have to pay $400+ a month paying for childcare....there is always someone (and a trusted family member at that, instead of some mook with a daycare) around to watch his children.

I strongly suspect that he is always served a good home cooked meal, by his mother or his girlfriend, made "from scratch", and is not paying out big money for unhealthy overpriced processed crap, or takeout food like many of us (myself included) live on.

He has substantive financial resources he can draw on. I was trying to talk him out of taking out subprime 100% financing on a house with a ridiculous payment (he can refi in 2 years), but he told me "Is OK, If there is trouble, father, sisters, and girlfriend will help pay."

His sisters appearently get some degree of a "free ride", but they I'm sure also contribute with domestic help, child care, and assistance in paying for some household expenses. They are happy because most of their income is discretionary (unless there is an emergency).

Again, most Americans would in my opinion have a hard time living with their parents...however, I am sure that the relationhip is a whole different ballgame when you are the primary breadwinner, and your father has to work only 25 hours a week instead of 75-80 because you have taken over the burden of financial responsibility. I suspect that son's "word is law", but that he treats his parents with great respect and deference.

Now, I'm not saying that I want my whole extended family to move in with me, but it is interesting to see....I think we lost something in this culture when we stopped living like this.

B9K

PS It appears that there is good "balance" in this arangement. Son makes the money and wields decision making power. Father worked hard to suport family, and is now apearenty being "paid back" with an appearently easy life while he is still a fairly young man. Sisters have no power (they will eventually marry off into other families I'm sure), but they have only a little reponsibility. I don't know for sure, but I doubt that the girlfriend uses sex as a weapon (something that unbalances gringo family life)....she was probably culturally conditioned otherwise, and also, (This is conjecture. I may be mistaken in this-I'm not an expert in Mexican culture) as I'm of the understanding that their culture has a well established tradition of the men sneaking off to get a bit on the side, she probably knows that if she doesnt put out, he will find a girl that will, and may take some of the families resources to do so.

[DJ FourMoney]

Bart as usual you know your shhh homie...

I have more than a few latino friends and its very common for them to stay with familes of extended beyond the usual early 20's that most othe American seem to want out of the parents home and struggle for generally no reason.

If you live at home (like I do) then shhh we should make focus on dating Latinas in LA, wouldn hurt, would it?

Anyway carry-on about host of interesting subjects here...



I have become friends with a Mexican family-I work with most of them.

I was admiring how they all work together towards the common good for all, and generally have a good thing going

Son age 27 is the primary breadwinner. He works hard 60-75 hours a week at a physically and mentally draining job,

His mother and father live with them. I don't think his mother works. His father does still work, but not like son....he is (after I'm sure many years of 75 hour work weeks supporting his family) taking it relatively easy in his late forties early fifties (unless he has another job that I don't know about).

Son and girlfriend have two young children. Girlfriend has a full time job.

Son's two younger sisters age 21 and 18 also live with them. They work more or less full time.

This would sound like hell on earth to a typical American, family existence with more than your own spouse and children.

However, there are most definitely advantages.

Yes, son works very hard. However, when it is his time to relax, he can actually take it easy because his father is around to handle the things that typically turn into a "honey do" list (mowing the lawn, household repairs, etc)-or at least help him with them.

He doesn't have to pay $400+ a month paying for childcare....there is always someone (and a trusted family member at that, instead of some mook with a daycare) around to watch his children.

I strongly suspect that he is always served a good home cooked meal, by his mother or his girlfriend, made "from scratch", and is not paying out big money for unhealthy overpriced processed crap, or takeout food like many of us (myself included) live on.

He has substantive financial resources he can draw on. I was trying to talk him out of taking out subprime 100% financing on a house with a ridiculous payment (he can refi in 2 years), but he told me "Is OK, If there is trouble, father, sisters, and girlfriend will help pay."

His sisters appearently get some degree of a "free ride", but they I'm sure also contribute with domestic help, child care, and assistance in paying for some household expenses. They are happy because most of their income is discretionary (unless there is an emergency).

Again, most Americans would in my opinion have a hard time living with their parents...however, I am sure that the relationhip is a whole different ballgame when you are the primary breadwinner, and your father has to work only 25 hours a week instead of 75-80 because you have taken over the burden of financial responsibility. I suspect that son's "word is law", but that he treats his parents with great respect and deference.

Now, I'm not saying that I want my whole extended family to move in with me, but it is interesting to see....I think we lost something in this culture when we stopped living like this.

B9K

PS It appears that there is good "balance" in this arangement. Son makes the money and wields decision making power. Father worked hard to suport family, and is now apearenty being "paid back" with an appearently easy life while he is still a fairly young man. Sisters have no power (they will eventually marry off into other families I'm sure), but they have only a little reponsibility. I don't know for sure, but I doubt that the girlfriend uses sex as a weapon (something that unbalances gringo family life)....she was probably culturally conditioned otherwise, and also, (This is conjecture. I may be mistaken in this-I'm not an expert in Mexican culture) as I'm of the understanding that their culture has a well established tradition of the men sneaking off to get a bit on the side, she probably knows that if she doesnt put out, he will find a girl that will, and may take some of the families resources to do so.

[DirkDingy]

yes, you will save money; you will also save yourself from getting any pussy. fucking in the car is cool when you're in high school, but no so neat as an only option after.

also, mexicans don't seem to mind fucking with their parents and uncles in the next room. i would feel really weird fucking some chick at my mom's crib at 27. some may even say that it's disrespectful.

in america, no car and no crib=no pussy.

[Doctor_Skank]

Ever seen the film Amores Perros ?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0245712/

Fantastic film if you like art films... I loved it.

Takes place in Mexico City and is fascinating both in story and picture... especially fans of chicas and latinas who rarely or never get south of the border will find it fascinating... I did.

Anyway, there are a couple of scenes filmed in the home of where some of the main characters live, packed like sardines in a two-room apartment. When the brother fucks his wife in the next door room, the whole family is forced to listen in through the paper thin walls.... :)

I for one never minded making a show for the neighbors, but cant imagine banging a chick while she screams her lungs out while next door my mom is knitting sweaters on the couch and while dad reads Guns and Ammo... :)

BTW: the film isnt particularly sexy, although there are some nice women in it, so if you are hoping for lots of t and a maybe you should check out something else instead, like Jamon, Jamon... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104545/

[Capt Ajax]

Most of the AW bitchiness is pretty much a North American problem. Outside of the US and Canada, most guys have an escape hatch, a good window of time to get out and see the world. Some British guys have told me horror stories about their women, but across the ocean, on the continent they have an excellent place to escape, Brits get about 4-5 weeks off a year which is a very generous time allotment for someone who likes to travel to meet foreign women. I have know quite a few guys from the UK who came back with girlfriends and wives on trips to Eastern and Southern Europe, as well as other places. Australians have a similar hatch as well, most people here get longer vacations than the average working stiff in the States, and Australia is pretty close to Southeast Asia, so there is ample opportunity for the average Australian to get some international punani. Most friends of mine back home in the States rarely take vacations and because of the hire and fire policies at most US companies so they are afraid of taking a vacation, and even if they do they get a measly 2 weeks, some these guys make a really good living so I really don't feel sorry for them, but what good is money when you don't have the time to enjoy it??
The lack of access to regular travel in general makes it easy for your AW to manipulate the average American male. A few years ago when I started going international, I was literally blown away by some of the women I met abroad and kept boasting to my friends about the fine foreign pussy that exists outside of America's borders, most of them didn't buy it because they have never been abroad, and the current climate seems to enforce their attitudes, their loss is my gain as I get plenty of time to see the world, and despite what you seen on the news there are a lot of good things out there.

CBGBConnisur I agree!!!!!!!

I really believe the feminism movement has screwed up AW bigtime. The
US is the only country in the world where women think their pussy is POWER and will use it without hesitation. If American Wifey or girlfriend has a disagreement with you, she uses her pussy to withhold sex for a week, month or a year or forever. French Canadian, Eastern/Western European, Brazilian, Latina and African women would hardly ever let an argument or disagreement affect the sex activity in the bedroom. This problem is only unique to American Women.

[CBGBConnisur]

I also think in other industrialized and affluent countries, its easy for men to find a subsitute, Western Europeans can visit Eastern Europe and elsewhere with regularity, its also a lot cheaper for people in Australia, Europe, and Japan to go international than it is for Americans. International travel in the US seems to be marketed primarily towards the upper classes.

[Artisttyp]

I hate to add fuel to the fire but nobody has really discussed the gay issue and how it ties into all of this.I think people should be able to do what they want with whomever....just look at us but I also think the gay MARRIGE issue just leads the whole idea of nobody needing anybody anymore into a choatic downward spiral of western culture.I want to stress that the act itself is fine but all the political attention that goes with it only makes the situation for people like me more difficult.
Again if things dont work out your choices are be a loner,settle for something not compatible,monger or be gay.
I'm not thrilled with any of these choices but I tend to be more comfortable with being a monger.

[Chocha Monger]

Valentine's Day boon for spies tracking infidelity



WASHINGTON (AFP) - For many, Valentine's Day conjures up images of love, romance, flowers and chocolate.

But for detective agencies across the United States, the romantic holiday is a boon for business as it is the ideal time for a spouse to catch a cheating mate.

"Valentine's Day is the biggest day of the year for private investigators," Tony Delorenzo, of Private Detectives of America, a New Jersey-based company, told AFP.

"This year we're doing surveillance Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday because if somebody has a lover it will be on one of those days to catch him."

Delorenzo and several other sleuths contacted said that in the run-up to the February 14 holiday, they had been overwhelmed with appeals by men and women seeking to find out whether their partner was unfaithful.

"Let me put it to you this way," Paul Dank, co-owner of Advanced Surveillance Group, a detective agency based in Michigan and with offices in 14 other states, told AFP.

"We're having a real, real difficult time finding anybody else that can assist us with surveillance right now and we are referring cases to other companies."

He said Valentine's Day was an opportune time to catch a cheating partner as it was the one day lovers would battle all odds to be with each other.

"People involved in a relationship tend to make a big ceremonial meeting on or near Valentine's Day to celebrate it," Dank said. "They feel they have to do something new, special so they go out and buy new underwear, flowers, candy and they get a hotel room with a Jacuzzi."

Telltale signs of a cheating spouse is the surprise "business trip" or late office meeting, unexplained gifts and the depressed friend who needs a shoulder to cry on.

"This is the one day when infidelity and extra-marital affairs reach their peak," said Ruth Houston, author of "Is He Cheating on You -- 829 Telltale Signs".

"Any man who is cheating has to buy his mistress a gift, there's no way he can get around that if he wants to stay in her good graces and in her bed."

She said men or women who suspect their partners need to be extra alert on Valentine's Day and look for credit card receipts, new jewelry or lingerie, and unusual appointments so as to nail their partners.

"If she's wearing a red lace bra and panties don't believe it if she says her girlfriend bought them for her," she advised. "And if he shows up wearing a Rolex, the guys down at the sports bar did not take up a collection to buy it for him."

Jeanine Davis, 41, said she nabbed her husband with another woman on Valentine's Day last year after hiring a private eye to track him down that evening.

"They followed him and found him having dinner with her at a restaurant and then they took pictures of them kissing in the parking lot and he spent the night at her place," Davis, who is in the process of getting a divorce, told AFP.

Private Detectives of America's Delorenzo said he was working on about 50 infidelity cases this year. He charges between 500 and 1,000 dollars to confirm to a client whether a spouse is cheating and 650 dollars for five hours of surveillance.

One spouse who may be in for a Valentine's Day surprise this year is a Michigan man whose wife spotted an email confirming his hotel reservation for Tuesday, when he was supposed to be undergoing a special training session at work.

"The job is booked and he'll be under surveillance Valentine's Day," Dank said.

[Chocha Monger]

Bart9000:

American women tend to look down on a man who lives with his parents. The first idea that they get in their head is that his is a financial failure and cannot afford to support himself. Even in cases where the guy is making a lot of money AW would still see him as a less than appealing target. The whole goal of an AW is to rule the roost and with the guy's parents living and most likely owning the house that makes it impossible for her to do so. She would also take into consideration that there is no house to acquire in the event of a divorce. Major decisions in the household are likely to be a family affair with the parents having some input and this would negate any veto power an AW would otherwise have due to controlling the pussy supply.

Relationships with AW usually follow a pattern, first they begin to distance the man from his friends gradually monopolizing his free time. Once they get rid of the guy's friends they then move into the nesting stage where they try to move in with the guy and work on distancing him from his family. The idea is to establish themselves as the guy's sole source of social contact and support, once this has been achieved they then begin applying pressure for marriage. An AW's worst nightmare is a guy who has a close relationship with his parents and siblings because it subjects her intentions to review by persons who aren't thinking with their dicks. Hence few things will send an AW running faster than the fact that a guy lives with his parents.

I agree that leaving home early does deny young men of a family support network and probably influences their choice of careers and time spent in academic preparation due to having sole responsibility to pay the rent, utilities and other living expenses. Moving away from home early to chase AW pussy is a bad idea for young men, especially with all the options available now.

[Capt Ajax]

Bart9000:

American women tend to look down on a man who lives with his parents. The first idea that they get in their head is that his is a financial failure and cannot afford to support himself. Even in cases where the guy is making a lot of money AW would still see him as a less than appealing target. The whole goal of an AW is to rule the roost and with the guy's parents living and most likely owning the house that makes it impossible for her to do so. She would also take into consideration that there is no house to acquire in the event of a divorce. Major decisions in the household are likely to be a family affair with the parents having some input and this would negate any veto power an AW would otherwise have due to controlling the pussy supply.

Relationships with AW usually follow a pattern, first they begin to distance the man from his friends gradually monopolizing his free time. Once they get rid of the guy's friends they then move into the nesting stage where they try to move in with the guy and work on distancing him from his family. The idea is to establish themselves as the guy's sole source of social contact and support, once this has been achieved they then begin applying pressure for marriage. An AW's worst nightmare is a guy who has a close relationship with his parents and siblings because it subjects her intentions to review by persons who aren't thinking with their dicks. Hence few things will send an AW running faster than the fact that a guy lives with his parents.

I agree that leaving home early does deny young men of a family support network and probably influences their choice of careers and time spent in academic preparation due to having sole responsibility to pay the rent, utilities and other living expenses. Moving away from home early to chase AW pussy is a bad idea for young men, especially with all the options available now.

I agree with Chocha Mongers comments completely.....it's right on target.

[Buzz00]

Dunno if this is the right place for this but I think it says it all :

American singles cold shoulder romance: survey

WASHINGTON (AFP)Most single Americans are playing hard to get and are happy to dodge Cupid's arrow,new research says, despite the annual Valentine's Day splurge on chocolates and flowers.


Forty-three percent of adult Americans, or 87 million people, describe themselves as single -- but only 16 percent are looking for love, the survey by the Pew Internet and American Life Project found.

Fifty-five percent of US singles say they have no interest in looking for a romantic partner. That feeling is especially pronounced among women, or those who have been divorced or widowed.

Surprisingly, and despite the dominance of dating images in popular culture, younger singles aged between 18-29 seem to be able to take romance or leave it: 51 percent said they were not in the market for a soulmate.

The survey also lifts the lid on the barren dating scene even for those Americans singles who are playing the field.

Thirty-six percent of those "active" on the dating scene said they had not had a date in three months, 13 percent had one. Twenty-two percent had been on between two and four dates, while a lucky quarter had been on five or more.

Where is the best place to meet a partner? : according to the survey, which sampled Internet users on the question, 38 percent of those in committed relationships hooked up at work or school.

A third met through family and friends, and 13 percent met their match at a nightclub, bar or cafe.

Surprisingly, given the proliferation of online dating agencies and matchmakers, only three percent of happy couples who are also online met through the Internet.

The study, part of larger research on online matchmaking yet to be published, was conducted late last year.

[Bart9000]

..you are correct. I did a stint "back at home" in my early twenties, when my parents pulled my financial support from a traditional college environment essentially because they didn't approve of my drinking and girl chasing habits.

Under these circumstances a girl (granted, a bizarre mentally unstable little troll) was asking me "Do you have a girlfriend?". I said "No". She then asked me in succession "Do you have your own apartment?" "Do you have a car?" The answer again, both times was "No"....to which her "cutsiely" delivered response was "Well that's why you don't have a girlfriend"

This is appearently an early test of how willing you are to "play the game" and kowtow to the gods of materialism.

I'm of the understanding that in Europe, young people are able to meet, date, fuck, and eventually marry, and frequently they don't have even their own, or a shared apartment until they generally well into their twenties. I also understand that the Italian government recently gave legal protection against prosecution to persons having sex in cars in that it is viewed as an intrinsic part of the Italian courtship process. "That's Amore!"

All of the above being said, I assure you that I don't think that in our society, living with your parents is desirable. Towards the end of my "brief stint", I had to have a dental procedure to have enamel bonded to my teeth because I had been grinding them.

By the way, your also have a good point about how close family connections can shut down the scheeming of an AW. Unfortunately, most of us (myself included, except for a sibling) don't have them.

B9K


Bart9000:

American women tend to look down on a man who lives with his parents. The first idea that they get in their head is that his is a financial failure and cannot afford to support himself. Even in cases where the guy is making a lot of money AW would still see him as a less than appealing target. The whole goal of an AW is to rule the roost and with the guy's parents living and most likely owning the house that makes it impossible for her to do so. She would also take into consideration that there is no house to acquire in the event of a divorce. Major decisions in the household are likely to be a family affair with the parents having some input and this would negate any veto power an AW would otherwise have due to controlling the pussy supply.

Relationships with AW usually follow a pattern, first they begin to distance the man from his friends gradually monopolizing his free time. Once they get rid of the guy's friends they then move into the nesting stage where they try to move in with the guy and work on distancing him from his family. The idea is to establish themselves as the guy's sole source of social contact and support, once this has been achieved they then begin applying pressure for marriage. An AW's worst nightmare is a guy who has a close relationship with his parents and siblings because it subjects her intentions to review by persons who aren't thinking with their dicks. Hence few things will send an AW running faster than the fact that a guy lives with his parents.

I agree that leaving home early does deny young men of a family support network and probably influences their choice of careers and time spent in academic preparation due to having sole responsibility to pay the rent, utilities and other living expenses. Moving away from home early to chase AW pussy is a bad idea for young men, especially with all the options available now.

[Bart9000]

James

You are like "The Black Knight" in Monty Python's Holy Grail. I have chopped off both your arms and legs, and you are insisting that "It's only a flesh wound". Of course I know that analogies are beyond your limited capacities, so you probably won't get this.

You assert that I am insecure about my education. Well, quite frankly, I didn't bring it up-you did when I called out your stupidity in incorrectly using a fairly simple concept-"GNP".

The only way that you have a higher degree level than I do is if you have a PhD. I cannot imagine that is the case, because to the extent of my knowledge no ACCREDITED PhD program in the world will allow you to graduate when you lack the ability to make assertions and back them up with logical supporting evidence....not pointless babbling

"Exceptionally high IQ don't pick economics"-I won't even dignify that with a response.

Now obviously, you have an infinite supply of pointless babbling, and live in enough of a delusional reality to "claim victory", or at least believe that you have effectively countered my assertions. Also, I realize that there are readers on this board who are tired of watching the "back and forth". That being the case, let me put this forth:

Does any Senior Member (nothing against regular members, but I don't want him making up an ID to defend himself), believe any scenario other than that James is an idiotic delusional, attention starved moron? Go on now...speak up.

Those of you who find his delusional ranting amusing, feel free to defend him on that basis, but please do make it clear that you in no way believe his narratives reflect reality if that is the case.

B9K







So you are not accepting that you cannot have a higher degree than me? And as far as my IQ score goes, it's highly unlikely that you are even close. Exceptionally high IQ don't pick economics. If you can prove it, that's good.

You quoted yourself, then you said "What I did say was ... " something different. If you keep moving your mouth, nobody can shoot a load into it.

So what did I claim? Did I ever claim I'm an expert on prostitution? I usually leave this deduction for readers to make. I beat you up because you think SW are lower grade, runaways, starving. How much can an embeded journlist see in Iraqi? At most he gets shot and bombed at the road side. But every soldier can tell you that, and a lot more. When the twin towers got hit, I bet few remembered they heard Al Qaeda before.

If you really want to grade, you have to pick some criteria, age, looks, income. So I can tell you that there are some top dogs SW that are top of the food chain no matter how you grade. And they prefer SW than other forms of prostitution, and many do more than just walking. As they are high profile, you can't miss them when they are in town.

Making so much effort to defend your ignorance is typical of people feeling insecure with their education level and intelligence. So what did you actually learn in class? About SW from a guy who cannot walk?

[Rock Dog]

JD2004,
here is an example of what we have been talking about.
You start off with something about relative wealth and incomes in different nations.....

QUOTE:
Rich and Poor
The income gap is greater in the US than in Japan, but its easier in America to amass a fortune.

Country.........Gini index............Per capita GDP 2003............billionaires
Canada............31.5......................$22,379............................15
France.............32.7...................... 21,751............................13
Germany...........30.0.......................23,098............................43
Hong Kong........52.2........................24,010............................11
Italy................27.3........................18,730............................11
Japan...............24.9........................37,567...........................19
Mexico..............53.1..........................5,817..........................11
Russia...............48.7..........................1,697..........................17
Sweden.............25.0.........................25,705...........................5
United Kingdom....36.8........................23,688...........................14
United States......40.8........................36,144..........................222


And then you go off on a (to me) completely unrelated tangent about what you did when you were back in school..........

QUOTE:
When I was at school, I looked after a property for my parents, who is responsible for the mortgage, and those who have a job in the family actually pay for the mortgage. So I was kicked out of the family home to leave some more space for those who need to travel to work closer.

Of course that flat is party central. It was so popular that I have to unplug the phone when I want some peace and quiet to do some work. As far as I remembered, guys don't bring their sisters, but girls, attached or not, have no problem bringing their little sisters. Do you have to discuss such natural things?

Then, without any connection, transition or apparent reason...... you're back onto the economics lesson.

QUOTE:
According to Forbes, an unequal society may lead to social tension, or in the case of USA, and HK, it's easy to move up so people are too busy making money or thinking about it to have time for politics.

If you want anyone to listen to what you're trying to say, you're going to have to learn how to say something that makes sense in the first place. Sorry, but most of your posts are rambling, disjointed and chaotic.

Rock

[Sinanju Master]

Rock Dog, what can you expect from a guy whose most meaningful reading material is that of Dr. Seuss?

[Sinanju Master]

JD with the 04 IQ, your posts seem as if you are submitting them while you are in the middle of a stroke. In that case, I can't decide if you are truly a clueless dipshit who truly doesn't know how lacking his mental capacities are, or if you ARE truly suffering a stroke with each post and need to be pitied. In EITHER case, I will no longer beat a dead horse. Responding further to your posts will go against my policy of acknowledging lower life forms devoid of intelligence. Consider yourself FLUSHED like the stool sample you are.

[Bart9000]

I'm was using GDP per capita in my discussions. High school students should have a fair concept about that. But you seemed to confuse GDP with GDP per capita and now bring out GNP for nothing. It's you who say I'm wrong but never say why I'm wrong. You can say what you want. If you have chopped off my fingers, why am I still typing?



OK, we will add unable to comprehend metaphor to the low IQ list.




USA have too many people like you. Too many Englsih/Economic majors making illogical deductions. That's why they need to bring me here. Clear to you now?



Where the fuck did you get the impression (I probably shouldn't bother asking this) that I have an English degree. I have an MS and BS both in Finance.

Asking for help now? I don't understand that anyone is still talking to you. According to you, using prostitutes are losers. There are many surveys around about the reasons. Simply, for variety and just because I can are pretty good reasons.


Ummmm I just made an appearently interesting and insightful post that generated 7-8 responses discussing the issue in a meanigful manner. "Calling for help"...I wanted you to see that no one even thinks your stupidity is even funny anymore.

The closest thing I ever said 5o 'using prostitutes is for losers" was asserting an opinion that utilizing STREETWALKERS isn't worth the risk of VD, theft, scams, being arrested, publicly humiliated (and possibly losing your job as a result), and even having your CAR seized. I personally am rather fond of the brothels in Prague. .



Do you claim to have double six figure income too? Anybody living at home with their parents would find it wasting their time talking to you sooner or later.

Actually, no.

1. I do not live with my parents. I never said I live with my parents (except for a brief period over 12 years ago in my early twenties). I made a post examining a family structure and lifestyle that is distinctly different from that of most Americans. I live in a fairly nice reasonably priced apartment that i share with my brother. And no, it isn't owned by my parent

2. No, I don't have a double six figure income. I have been very honest and forthcoming on this board about what my life is like in the context of making points about American women. Here watch this: I do fairly menial, but reasonably well paying work to keep the bills paid while I am working on an entrepreunereal venture. I need to lose another twenty pounds. I drive an old beat up European sedan because I refuse to play the game of bullshit materialism See, that is reality...you should try it sometime.



B9K

PS Would you possibly be referring to a beautiful piece of "abstract art film" like "Mulholland Drive". David Lynch is a creative genius who "speaks directly to the unconscious". You are just a guy with an 87 IQ, a big mouth, and delusions of grandeur.

[Bart9000]

the "post-mortem" reinterpretation of senseless babbling. it is really easy to change what you "meant" earlier when what you said didn't make any fucking sense in the first place.

hey watch this:

the triglycerides, from the scalpel, lipids, and platelets dervived from the arterial vena cava, neurotransmittters. therefore, the scapula, having received a transfusion, led to the anterior nerve.

those are some mighty big impressive words aren't they. after all, i'm a medical expert and a genius.

what do you mean i don't know what i'm talking about?

you must not be high level enough to undersand what i am talking about. any idiot can see that i meant "big macs will kill you".

i apologize for repetitiveness, but in light of things like.......



" dog, you bunch of cultural low life, if you never read any literature after high school, at least see some movies with non-trivial presentation. haven't you read something that wasn't presented in linear order?

anyway, the 1st table is obviously copied over to be referred to in the context. if you want to argue about the order, well, i can only say that in your books you never have any tables in it.

well if you do a little bit of speed reading and knows how to make summary, it's like this.

if you have your own place you get pussy.
also in places like usa people think about money all the time.
aw looks at whether you have a place, either you are successful or you family have money.

it doesn't matter if you rearrange the sequence of these points because they are related and independent of each other."

i thought it was worth repeating.

b9k

[Rock Dog]

JD2004,

QUOTE:

If you have your own place you get pussy.
Also in places like USA people think about money all the time.
AW looks at whether you have a place, either you are successful or you family have money.


I believe this is the first time you've written something that is organized and meaningful. Continue with this style and you'll probably get a better response to your posts. Even a "bunch of cultural low-life" like myself appreciates reading something that makes sense.

Rock

[Chocha Monger]

Inside the case files of ‘cheating season’
Private eyes are booked solid on Valentine’s Day

Updated: 10:31 p.m. ET Feb. 13, 2006
Ah, Valentine's Day, memorable for heart-shaped chocolates and rose bouquets arriving at the door -- memories that can take a painful twist when they're recorded by a private eye's spy camera, bugging device or telephoto lens.

It's the day most cheaters dread and the day many cheaters get caught. The spouse and the side dish both want attention, and, during the juggling act, the two-timer slips, right in front of a private eye's camera lens.

Most private investigators are booked solid today. They probably worked all day yesterday and will be catching up on work tomorrow. It's the time of year most of their cases begin or end.

Take the Georgetown wife. She was as cool as the February day that brought her to the Progressive Security Consultants detective agency. Attractive, confident and calculating, the lady had the goods on her cheating husband.

"I know he's meeting her here. On Valentine's Day," she told the private investigators, handing them a slip of paper with the address of a swanky District restaurant. "He has reservations for two that night. And they're not with me."

It was exactly the kind of case that investigators Joe McCann and Dwayne Stanton like: tidy, neat like Scotch. The romance was gone; the drama, minimal. The lady was sharp and detached, and she knew her husband had been seeing this other woman for a while. All she needed now was proof for the divorce. She wanted to keep the Georgetown townhouse, after all.

The junior investigators who work for Stanton and McCann all wanted the day off to keep their relationships from going the way of the affairs they document. So the former D.C. homicide detectives who usually take bigger cases -- slain intern Chandra Levy's disappearance, white-collar bank crimes, security for the stars walking the red carpet -- took the Valentine's Day case themselves.

This was their story.

View through the telephoto
McCann went first. He has most buildings on that block wired, so someone on the inside let him onto the roof across the street from the restaurant. "It gives me the best view, and nobody sees me. I've got the telephoto," he said. He shrugged into his cashmere overcoat, pulled up the collar and took his position.

The cheating husband was there, right on time. The woman was there, too, just as classy as the Washington mistress of a high-powered lawyer should look. They kissed. Click. Click. Click. It was on film, and McCann's work was done.

After dinner, Mr. Unfaithful dropped off the mistress, but he didn't go home. He took some wild turns left and right, with Stanton behind him trying to keep up, then pulled up in front of an apartment building in Mount Pleasant. A much younger woman dressed in a funky, sexy bar-hopping tank and low-rider jeans came outside and slipped into the car. They went to a crowded bar nearby. With the live music blaring and the shots lined up on the bar, the lawyer had his second assignation of the night. Neither the wife nor the classy mistress knew about that one.

Sometimes, it's inaction on Valentine's Day that's the tip-off. Take the case of the 80-year-old cheater. He spent a lot of time at his country club, playing golf. He was there more than his girlfriend would have liked. She was also in her golden years and admired the athleticism of her octogenarian, so she didn't ride him about it.

One Valentine's Day, she found a receipt for a necklace. All day, she waited and waited for the present, preparing to act surprised. But the necklace never showed. The long days on the links were beginning to look a little more suspicious. She took the case to Fred Owen, a private eye for the Maryland branch of Capitol Inquiries Inc., a D.C. investigations company.

A day or so later, Owen tailed the man after he left his country club. "He took us on a crazy, 70-miles-per-hour trip around the Beltway," Owen remembered. After an exit and some turns, he slowed and pulled in front of a small single-family home. He opened the garage door and pulled in. A much younger woman greeted him inside. They kissed.

Owen raced back to the office to run the property records on the house, wondering who this younger woman was, figuring he was close to nailing the case.

But the house was in the man's name. After more digging, he finally found out who the younger woman was: his wife.

"Turns out, the older woman who hired us was the mistress. Boy, she was mad when she found all that out," Owen said

Most investigators spend Valentine's Day hunkered in their cars, chasing their targets at lunch hours and after work, ducking, laying low. But Robert Hoffman and Kathleen Robinson, investigators at Checkmate Inc. in Maryland, have a different shtick. Working as a pair, they don't stand out among the canoodling couples in fancy restaurants and hotel lobbies, the way their trench-coated counterparts do. They dress up, don the starry-eyed gazes of lovers and head out on the town to catch their prey, up close.

Last Valentine's Day, Hoffman and Robinson were ready to head somewhere chic. Their target was a lawyer with money. His mistress was a high-powered career woman who was also known as a big spender.

Robinson knows how to dress for these nights. For years, she worked as the decoy for private eyes who staged setups, the tantalizing, short-skirted bait laid in a cheating trap. So when the fancy restaurant is booked solid on these big nights, Robinson the private eye turns on that old charm to try to get a table.

That night, the dark Mercedes Benz SL pulled out of the lawyer's building and went to the woman's office. The mistress slipped into the car, and they pulled off. Robinson checked her makeup. The private eyes wondered whether they'd be eating steak or lobster that night.

‘The cheapness of it all’
They tailed them for just a few blocks until the Benz unexpectedly pulled into a dark parking lot behind a nondescript building. The engine was cut, and the luxury German car began to shake. Click. Click. Click. The photos were done, the case closed. No appetizers, no cocktails.

"We were thinking, maybe a romantic, nice dinner. Maybe a nice hotel," Robinson said. "It was cold that night. And it was just a parking lot. The cheapness of it all, that got me. The wife was lucky to get rid of this guy."

The lunch hour on Valentine's Day is when private investigator Viola Russell works her best cases. "It's always between 11 and 2 that they take care of business," said Russell, who moonlights as a security guard from October to February, the dry period outside the "cheating season."

"I can see it in my books. Business dies down around Thanksgiving, when they all have to spend time with their families. And Christmas and New Year's. That's when they can't cheat. They've got to put in time with the family," she said. "But here it is, Valentine's Day. For me, it's the first day of the cheating season."

In 15 years of working cases, most of them unfold like the one a few years ago, when a woman discovered her man's cell phone records burning up with his old flame's number and found Russell's name in the yellow pages.

"The wife wanted to stop by her husband's office for lunch on Valentine's Day. But he told her he'd be busy, he couldn't do lunch. He had a meeting," Russell said. "She knew what was up. She hired me to follow him."

‘Something in her back pocket’
Sure enough, the meeting happened right at the lunch hour, not in a boardroom but at the Courtyard Marriott on Connecticut Avenue NW. The man left his office, picked up the woman at the Dupont Circle Metro station and headed to the hotel, where they walked past the green awning and into a marble lobby. They checked in under her name. Whirrrrrr. It was all on video. The lunch in the hotel lasted three hours, Russell said.

Russell delivered the video to the wife and waited for the call from a divorce lawyer that usually follows these cases. "Turns out, it never came. The woman didn't want a divorce. See, she had a boyfriend of her own," Russell said. "She just wanted something in her back pocket, in case she ever got caught."

© 2006 The Washington Post Company

[CBGBConnisur]

please stop responding to this dipshit.
My sentiments are the same about this fucking bullshit artist.

[Bart9000]

I have prior to this time, refrained from putting dumbshit (who is now an appearently an abstract artist, although he cannot comprehend analogy and metaphor) on my "ignore list" because I didn't view it as viable-I would still have to view people (even those who know better, which should include myself) ocasionally losing it and responding to his idiocy.

My suggestion is this....everyone and by this I mean the 7-8 of us that generate 95% of the posts put him on the "ignore list". That way he will just be railing away into the air with no one reading his shit.

Granted, he will still be damaging the board because any "newbie" (who may have interesting fresh insight) tuning in will look at it, say "What the fuck?" and go away but.........

What do you guys say? I'm in if you are.

B9K

[Bart9000]

This kind of suppports somthing that I maintain-that AW frequently don't marry/get into LTR with the guys that REALLY make them drip wet. No wonder they don't want to fuck unless it is absolutely necessary. Unfortunately for them, the sexy exciting, mysterious chaotic loser, drunk, drug addict, thug....types aren't so good with the creating stable income and handling responsibility as is boring beer bellied George the accountant who lets them spend his nice bi-weekly paycheck.

Something I am fond of saying is that men want to be James Bond.

Conversely, American women want to be the heroine of a romance novel, the essential plot of most (so I have been told having never read one) being "heroine tames the rough cad with her charms and they live happily ever after"

Say what you will (those of you who are intelligent legitimate dissenters) about the foreign honeys (Visa Hounds, cutthroat background, etc), but from what I have heard, even though they might also marry someone they are not that attracted to, they at least understand "the deal"-man gives you shelter and a comfortable existence, and you give him sex. American Women have been told "they can have it all", and think "they can have their cake and eat it too".






I was just parking my car and flipped to the adult contemporary station morning show for about 3 minutes. During that time, they took about 5 calls from women who were under "so much pressure" to put out for their significant other on valentines day. This just did not make sense to me. Is it really that big of a chore for AW to give sex? These women seemed very repulsed by the idea of sex - with their boyfriend/husband and on Valentines Day??!?!?!

Also, it must mean that so many guys out there are stuck with these bitches, giving time, attention, money to them, and these bitches still complain about sex on valentines day? The host of the show said his life is the same. "I get it on my birthday and valentines day."

Unreal.

[Sinanju Master]

Say what you will (those of you who are intelligent legitimate dissenters) about the foreign honeys (Visa Hounds, cutthroat background, etc), but from what I have heard, even though they might also marry someone they are not that attracted to, they at least understand "the deal"-man gives you shelter and a comfortable existence, and you give him sex. American Women have been told "they can have it all", and think "they can have their cake and eat it too".

That's pretty much my sentiment, B9K. HOWEVER, if one DOES get hitched, do NOT give them the advantage by moving her to the the US. I can understand that not many guys here can afford to live overseas on a semi-permanent basis, so doing the (relative) LTR seems (to me) to be the next best thing...

[Artisttyp]

Look under yahoo news headlines for today feb 14.They did a survey of those looking for love etc. in all demographics.I dont have the exact numbers but the majority of those surveyed were not looking for a soul mate and of course woman mainly widowed or divorced led the pack while the other demographics were just not intrested period.
The younger generation mainly was quoted as saying "whatever" and online romances that worked were at a startling 1 to 3% success rate.
Of course we dont know who exactly was questioned in the survey but for something as mainstream as yahoo news it's got to mean something...also in the news today was how japanese woman resent valentines day and having to buy chocolates for men and on "white day" japanese men also resent having to buy women chocolates .
Happy valentines day to all.I'm glad my little niece still appreciates the candy I get her.

[Rock Dog]

Gentlemen,

I did it. So far it's been working out quite well..... I have a good looking, 15 yrs younger wife who is trustworthy and has a good attitude. Granted, I may be a lucky exception. However, I would have had zero% chance of getting a woman like this if I'd only considered my "local" options.

Even a 5 % chance beats zero %. It's a choice like everything else in life. Each must choose their own path. I'll be taking my path of to my wife's country in another 12-15 years when I retire. No way I'm freezing my ass off every winter when I'm 55.

BTW, if you think you don't want to move somewhere else full time, why not do a 6 month split? The money you save on living expenses (not to mention mongering) would more than pay for the airfare. Plus, you retain the benefits of your citizenship, western health care etc.

Comments?

Rock

[Sinanju Master]

RD, you just further clarified what I was thinking out loud. I was thinking along the lines of lining up an EE honey for a relationship for a few months while we stay at my place, preferably in a Mediterranean locale to enjoy the warm weather. She gets what she wants, I get what I want, and all parties are satisfied. After the arrangement comes to a close, do it all over again. What's sweeter than that?

[Chocha Monger]

Guys,

I was hoping that James D would eventually allow peace to be restored on the AW thread, since that does not appear to be happening I have added him to my ignore list for the sake of the greater good.

Thank you,
CM

[Bart9000]

"This message is hidden because James D 2004 is on your ignore list."

It is a beautiful thing

Those of you who follow suit, please announce it as you do so

[Rock Dog]

I wasn't talking about leaving the woman in her own country for 6 months at a time. The plan was for her to be here for half the year (making me look good). Then, we spend six months of the year in HER country (making her look good).

No time apart, and it helps keep the woman from becoming fully westernized. If she starts getting any ideas or making any plans, there'd be an interruption every six months as we travel back and forth. I also suspect that few women would want to give up having a nice house in their own country. This, of course is assuming they have more fair and reasonable divorce laws.

I also suspect that regular competition from the local girls would keep your new wife in line wherever she's from.

Rock

ps. If anything ever did screw up, replacement would be pretty easy seeing
as you'd already have established a home base to operate from.

[Angus Magee]

Local news had a filler story about a Salt Lake City radio station who held a contest where women could win a diamond ring. Like most contests of this type to win the prize you had to be prepared to leave your dignity and self respect at the door. They buried the ring in a big wedding cake and then let all 97 women dive in and go


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[Bart9000]

The jokes about feeding time at the pig farm just make themselves

Addendum: Oh, sorry, I guess Angus said that already in his subject line-I didn't notice


Local news had a filler story about a Salt Lake City radio station who held a contest where women could win a diamond ring. Like most contests of this type to win the prize you had to be prepared to leave your dignity and self respect at the door. They buried the ring in a big wedding cake and then let all 97 women dive in and go


http://www.971zht.com/timages/photo/KZHT-FM_129716_16.jpg

http://www.971zht.com/timages/photo/KZHT-FM_129716_25.jpg

http://www.971zht.com/timages/photo/KZHT-FM_129716_38.jpg

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[Sinanju Master]

B9K, when I saw those pics, I was thinking that if that wedding ring were alive, it would have felt like a swimmer off the coast of South Africa or the Great Barrier Reef who had just suffered a minor cut -- then the sharks came in to feed. That is truly scary

[Rock Dog]

Marak5,

Thanks for the positive response on my idea! So far, everything has been working out like I planned. You will find that a lot of the girls in Argentina will prefer a guy who wants to live locally..... even if it's for just part of the year.

Most girls don't much care to leave their friends and family behind. It will be a major selling point in your favor if you live there part-time.

BTW, the fact that a certain someone else DOESN'T think it's a good idea also confirms that it IS.

A frog's life? Hmmmmm, let's see...... I'm over 40, my wife is 27, with perfect tits, perfect ass, long legs, beautiful face, smart, hard working and dependable. She cooks, cleans, does the laundry, rubs my feet, scratches my back and gives hardcore sex without hesitation anytime I ask for it.

Did I find her here in Canada? Not a chance! Had to fly ten thousand kilometers just to meet her. Was it worth it? Fuckin A.

I wonder if a certain someone has actually DONE anything? Or is he just full of air........ after all the empty can makes the loudest noises.

Rock

[Sinanju Master]

RD, your plan seems good, because it seems to be working for you, and I can respect that. Myself, I'd be paranoid about even the SLIGHTEST incursion of AW attitude into a honey's mind if I let her stay in the US for 6 months.

In MY PLAN, I see myself as willing to stay in her country (or at least on her CONINENT) to present the view that I am willing to be flexible. In that scenario, I may be showering her with gifts (relatively) but she won't be exposed to the outrageously GREEDY attitude that exists here... just an opinion....

[CBGBConnisur]

I just saw the photos that Bart posted, then I began to think about Morgan Spurlock of Super Size Me fame(since seeing that I have never gone into a McDonald's), he called Australia the second fattest country in the world, I wouldn't say that because its more like a continental Western European country, for the most part I have not seen the whales that are ever so typical in the US and Canada. In all honesty the women at my gym which is fairly dingy by US standards look like they came from Baywatch but a lot more friendly.

[Bart9000]

While I absolutely do not doubt the effect, I can comment that I have seen what I believe to be the effects of growing up in another culture. A while ago, I made a post about a girl I know who grew up in Croatia until the age of 14-15, when she moved to a bluecollar area of the midwest. She is now probably around 30 and is kind, polite, humble, nice, hardworking, non-materialistic.....pretty much the opposite of the things we complain about. This of course may be more of a function of her personality than cultural influences-I know fullblown American girls who demonstrate these qualities also, but they are of course RARE.

Speaking of "early influences", I happened to remember something that happened almost twenty years ago. At 17, I attended a post football game high school dance, having come straight from Tae Kwon Do practice (I just got out the shower and had wet hair-just like the guys who had been playing). I was sitting with a friend (he was a football player), when I somehow ended up meeting a very pretty little freshman girl. We ended up dancing together, and she was pretty much all over me, swaying, rubbing tits and hips against me, stars in her eyes, etc. This continued (as I'm thinking WOW, I just found a hot little girlfriend) until she happened to mention something about me playing football, at which time I told her "I'm not on the team, I just came from Tae Kwon Do practice." No exaggeration, three minutes later she was GONE.

This behavior was interesting for a couple of reasons. First, this girl obviously had absolutely no interest in WHO I was, but instead WHAT-presumably her ticket to social prominance as the girlfriend of a upperclassman football player. Also, she was demonstrating this behavior at the ripe old age of 14, and that was almost 20 years ago-I'm sure that things overall have gotten worse since then.

[Rock Dog]

Dirkdingy,

Dude it's called curling. Believe me, you won't meet any hot chicks at a curling rink. But then again, who knows?

I've tried it a few times...... any sport where you can drink a beer while you're playing is fine by me!

Rock

ps. to our little attention-seeking troll, if you actually READ my posts, you'd know that It's my FUTURE plan to split residency.

pps. I have, with great pleasure, been reporting your insulting, loser posts to the moderator. Have also been encouraging others to do the same with the goal of getting you banned from this forum.

[CBGBConnisur]

Rugby has been a great way to meet cute women in Ozzie, the gyms are another place, or just about anywhere outdoors.

[DirkDingy]

Dirkdingy,

Dude it's called curling. Believe me, you won't meet any hot chicks at a curling rink. But then again, who knows?

I've tried it a few times...... any sport where you can drink a beer while you're playing is fine by me!

Rock

ps. to our little attention-seeking troll, if you actually READ my posts, you'd know that It's my FUTURE plan to split residency.

pps. I have, with great pleasure, been reporting your insulting, loser posts to the moderator. Have also been encouraging others to do the same with the goal of getting you banned from this forum.

thanks rock.

i bet an olympic medal could get you laid.

[CBGBConnisur]

In all honesty, except for the basketball, hockey players, and boxers, the Olympics is pretty gay BS. I heard American Idol is completely thrashing the games on the TV ratings in the States. That international brotherhood thing is a big crock of shit. Teams sports athletes in the US, particularly baseball players seem to get the most punani. On the international scene it seems to be soccer(futbol) players. I was watching something about Pele and he's a big time player, getting all sorts of pussy.

[Bart9000]

I have heard of even the most tangential brushes with it can create "play". There was a case of a very overweight man, not only getting play, but actually conning women for money. His "riff"-claiming to be the son of actor Dom Deluise.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001123/

B9K




In all honesty, except for the basketball, hockey players, and boxers, the Olympics is pretty gay BS. I heard American Idol is completely thrashing the games on the TV ratings in the States. That international brotherhood thing is a big crock of shit. Teams sports athletes in the US, particularly baseball players seem to get the most punani. On the international scene it seems to be soccer(futbol) players. I was watching something about Pele and he's a big time player, getting all sorts of pussy.

[Rock Dog]

A couple of weeks ago, I was having a chat with one of my clients. He had noticed my wife out front sitting next to the receptionist. He asked me where we met, so I started in on how I'd gone off to Africa to meet her. Then I told him how I'd never trust any of the local women.... what with the divorce rate being so high these days.

His reaction to that comment said it all. He started in on how he'd gotten burned by his ex. George (not his real name) happens to be Greek. I always enjoy talking with him, because he's pretty direct with his opinions and he always has interesting points of view. So, partly as a joke, I said the best way to avoid all that divorce BS would be to hire a maid to do the cooking, cleaning, laundry etc..... and then pay her extra for sex.

George's eyes lit up, and he's says "I've got this hooker." "At first, I just had her come over to do it, but now she hangs around and cooks me dinner."

He told me that basically, the relationship has evolved into a deal where she took care of his needs emotionally/sexually/domestically..... and he took care of her needs for security/financially. Without, I may add, any unfair legal liabilities or obligations.

I thought about it later. Isn't this the way things are supposed to be? Isn't it a twisted, fucked up world where you have to go to a hooker to get a normal relationship?

Rock

[Artisttyp]

I'd seriously like to know the exact number$...what is he getting for what price?The rest sounds great.I ask this because I know that most woman get an allowance (budget) of some sort.
Still unfortunately you need "money" to play that game too but with less chances for losses.
The more I read the posts on this site the more flexible my thoughts are towards this whole thing.I really appreciate hearing all of this.

[Bart9000]

upon getting to "I've got this hooker".

I had a moment of weakness last night after two martini's and a Guinness, and dropped $100 at the local trashy gentleman's club. I found a nice latina (hot and 21), who was amenable to being a slightly naughty girl, given sufficient financial remuneration.

One disturbing thing-I saw that she got a text message from a guy. I asked her "Estas su novio" (more or less "Is your boyfriend?"-hopefully my spanish grammar was correct, as I'm self taught). She answered me "Is insulting to me....man is good for nothing but fixing things in the house."

Granted of course, this is a screwed up exotic dancer (they as a class are typically at least 1/2 to 3/4 gay, severely emotionally damaged, abuse survivors, chaos addicts), but on the other hand, this girl has only been in the United States for a only couple of years, and has developed this attitude before even obtaining reasonable fluency of Englais.

[Chocha Monger]

"Thechisa theorizes that ITPD is a mutant strain of the otherkin fixation, and on some subconscious level its rabid afflicted believe themselves to be actual mythical trolls. There may be some truth to this, as their tendency to also be basement-dwelling nerds approximates the living conditions found underneath a bridge...

Researchers have experimented with everything from shock therapy to furry porn to castration to treat Internet troll personality disorder with no success. The psychodynamics of this personality disorder indicated that constant asswhooping may be the best treatment. Getting the research sample group out of their respective mothers' basements was difficult, and removing the hamburger and french fries from their hands and mouths was nearly impossible, but a little sunshine and exercise did these creatures good. After being taught the essentials of hygiene and manners, the trolls were ready for the treatment: women who really like to have sex. Within one week, the severity of the disorder was diminished for every patient, and within three months the patients were all symptom free. But once the ex-trolls looked up from their cubicals saw how boring they had become, they all committed hara kiri, the Japanese form of suicide designed to restore one's honor after shame.

Current research is investigating the possibility of a relapse into disordered personality function if the patient does not get laid in the ass, furry-style. For those pitiful cases who cannot keep a girlfriend, researchers are considering the role prostitutes may play in treatment."

[Rock Dog]

The following is pure speculation.

I think that someone here was abused as a child. This is my evidence.

1. They have zero social skills.
2. They have a habitual, almost pathological need for attention.
3. Any attention will do, even hostile attacks by others are preferable to being ignored.
4. This individual continues to behave this way in order to attain the desired reponse (hostile attacks).

Sometimes, mistreatment was often the only source of attention abused children ever got. They often come to confuse their mistreatment with love.

If our little troll friend is reading this...... maybe he will understand how deeply messed up he must be.

Rock

[Rock Dog]

Maybe, for a change, you might actually post something worth reading instead of choking the forum with your insults and attacks.

Do you ever wonder why you're getting this treatment? Do you think we all spontaneously decided that we didn't like you? NO. It's because you annoy people with your bullshit.

When you quit making antagonistsic, bullshit posts...... you will no longer annoy people. Then, and only then, you might even make a few friends.

Rock

[Buzz00]

Rock Dog : if you just ignore the person that is causing you grief believe me he will lose interest very quickly.

Your reactions only fuel his diatribe.

Are'nt we here to discuss those delectable creatures that are women? Your energies would be better spent on some lovely lass.

Cheers

[Bart9000]

My inclination is just the opposite. He obviously has a vast abundance of free time, and appearently some money (assuming he isn't lying about travel, hookers, escorts), which implies that he has an income that doesn't require work.

Having an income that is not work intensive generally requires capital. Obviously, James lacks the capacity to do any type of knowledge work, so it is very likely that he did not raise said capital on his own. This implies that he was given the source of income, most likely by a parent or other family member.

It is my guess that his father gave "The idiot manchild" a little block of apartment buildings to "manage" (collect rent, call plumber-basically a peprpetual allowance), so as to protect him from having to deal with hard nasty reality

[Rock Dog]

Bart9K and Marak5,

I agree with you guys. He's pretty much an idiot. Most of those posts are weak attempts to get attention. I'm sticking with the abused child theory for now, since it seems to be the best explanation for his attention-seeking behaviour.

Rock

[Admin]

Greetings everyone,

I have received a number of complaints about "James D 2004". I can appreciate that a number of forum members do not like his argumentative demeanor or his writing style, but I don't see where he's specifically violated any Forum Rules, so I'm going to offer this advice to everyone:

If you don't like another Forum Member's reports, then simply add them to your "Ignore List" and you'll never see their reports again.

You can access your personal "Ignore List" under your User CP. Just login, select "User CP" from the top menu bar, then select "Buddy / Ignore Lists" from the left side column.

Thanks,

Jackson

[DirkDingy]

My inclination is just the opposite. He obviously has a vast abundance of free time, and appearently some money (assuming he isn't lying about travel, hookers, escorts), which implies that he has an income that doesn't require work.

Having an income that is not work intensive generally requires capital. Obviously, James lacks the capacity to do any type of knowledge work, so it is very likely that he did not raise said capital on his own. This implies that he was given the source of income, most likely by a parent or other family member.

It is my guess that his father gave "The idiot manchild" a little block of apartment buildings to "manage" (collect rent, call plumber-basically a peprpetual allowance), so as to protect him from having to deal with hard nasty reality

james seems to have a wealth of knowledge without an ounce of perspective. As if I’m flipping through the New Yorker reading an opera review penned by a deaf mute. The author can know everything about the opera while simultaneously knowing nothing about the opera. The former criminal investigator in me wants to call bullshit, but I won’t definitively pronounce due to the language caveat—the Eastern mentality, thought process, and way of expression is markedly different the Western one. While a Westerner would not relegate him to braggart status an Easterner would. It’s been my experience that those who boast of their accomplishments on the internet are usually Pinocchios or suffer from massive inferiority complexes. Something tells me that James may be physically disabled and largely sedentary, and that his escape is habitually reading and the internet. If his disability occurred stateside its likely that he received a large settlement for his predicament; however, I’m not necessarily convinced that he’s as comfortable as he intimates. He may not even be in America—again, he demonstrates a plethora of knowledge about life in America but proffers no intimate perspective.

It’s also possible that James is bullshitting around for his personal amusement. I have also engaged in such perverse entertainment due to my incessant boredom and recent reclusiveness attributed to my location. For the past nine months I have taken the namesake of a particularly nasty member of the third reich and have adopted the persona of a white supremacist who is currently employed by an elite eastern college. My extensive knowledge of Nazi Germany and cursory command of white supremacist literature has led me to be one of the more popular members of several large right-wing bulletin boards. My PM boxes receive 10+ messages a day concerning everything from advice on furthering the cause, aryan marriage proposals, and invitations to lecture at clandestine neo-nazi rallies. In the past, I have participated in on-line operations to gather evidence on men who travel abroad to molest children by using a similar strategy as described above.

There is a large chance that james is simply fucking around. I actually hope he is. As possessing true delusions of grandeur and creating alternative realities does not bode well for his mental health.

For the record, I am sometimes humored by his posts and find his IT prowess to be legit. There are certainly more destructive posters lurking on this board. No harm no foul in my book.

[Bart9000]

That is hysterical. I have been laughing for no exageration, two minutes straight.

For anyone who does not get the joke by the way. Dirk is African American.

I'm reminded for some reason of an something that happened about 12 years ago.

I was working as a cook in a restaurant with a little guy who imigrated from Africa. He was a nice enough guy, and I didn't have any problems with him, but he decided after watching an Oprah show on American Racism that I was being racist as I was joking around with my friend the dishwasher, who was a real congenial, happy go lucky guy, who once brought me in a piece of his Mother's sweet potato pie.

Little African guy, complained to the manager. Manager "had a talk" with me. I told manager to fuck off. End of story.

Here is the funny. Redneck was also working there, and tried to get me to go to KKK meetings in Michigan with him (no really, I'm serious). While little African guy was reporting me for being racist, as I was joking (there was a certain line out of "Pulp Fiction" we would yell back and forth at each other) with my African American friend, he was buddies with Redneck.

It gets even better. There was a little turnover, and Redneck and a couple others went away. They were replaced by a bunch of "Thuggy" African American guys, who didn't especially like "the brotha from thu muthaland", and gave him a lot of shit. I then, found myself (I'm big, he's little) actually PROTECTING from thuggy black guys, the guy who had accused me of racism.

Hello Irony.

Back to James, my way of describing his behavior in a previous post was equating his behavior to "reading a couple of newspaper articles, and attempting to prescribe remedy to complex foreign policy issues"

[Piper1]

James is okay - he's contributed nicely to this site in the past, but like many of us, he gets dragged into inane and irrelevant debates - he's pretty articulate for an ESL guy. Put yourself in the same position - e.g., you're debating with someone but you must do it in Chinese. I've had a dig at James (and others) in the past, when I was bored or not getting laid enough (I hate that). This is a sex site not a debating site, but the digs at fellow members serve their purpose - let off a bit of steam, have a laugh.

BTW - I like the fact that this site is color-blind.

cheers

Piper

[Capt Ajax]

This is from a German women who has visited the US.

I am not sure,but I feel like the only German women in here.....I as a German women have to say that there is a definite difference between American women and European women. Of course not all AW and not all EW, but most. We grow up different, we are way more educated knowing that in Europe a women has to be able to survive on her own or as a part of a family income. Where in America, women are thriving to find a guy with a lot of money who will support them. Girls in America are 13 and look like 25. The average European girl has to start apprenticeship with 15 and has a Associating degree by age 18. And everybody has to do that with NO exceptions. We also have respect for men. We don't over rule a mans decision. We have a different look on life from eating to appearance to life and health.
Maybe I am talking to way to young people in here who are still growing up. Whatever I said, does not go for all American women white or black and is not to hurt anybody. All I say is, YES there is a definite difference between American and European women.

[Rock Dog]

Dirkdingy, Bart, and Piper,

A new(old) tone has settled in over the forum. Once again we find ourselves engaged in good-natured discussion and commentary over a variety of topics.

This is how it should be.... not the hostile BS that's be going on for the last month or so.

Piper, it's true that someones' earlier posts weren't so bad. But they weren't that great either..... they usually made no sense. Furthermore, when criticized on that point.... someone reacted in a childish, taunting way. I could care less if he wants to keep posting or not..... but there's a difference between saying what you have to say, and saying something just for the sake of getting attention.

I can only speak for myself, but I've always felt there should be a certain level of respect for the other forum members. I remember back when I was a new guy with a single digit number of posts. I would have never dreamed of mouthing off to any of the more senior members. The forum tends to take on a flow, a course of it's own. There are times when I'd love to make a post on a topic, but I'll wait until the current discussion winds down because I don't want to "butt in".

A little mutual respect, cooperation and some level of maturity..... is that so much to ask?

Rock

[Bart9000]

was "American Beauty", because of the way that protagonist Lester Burnham came "back to life" (I was kind of "Dead Inside" at the time myself), and stuck it to "the man" ("I retire to the bathroom to jerk off and fantasize about a life that doesn't so closely resemble hell"). However, a I am viewing my DVD of it for the first time in a while, and I am seeing it with the new eyes of someone who now understands American women. I cheered anew watching Lester throw off the opressive yolk of his unfaithful, materialistic witch wife (I got this on earlier viewings of course, but it is now much more meaningful), and repossess his testicles..

Also intereting recently was "Kinsey" starring Liam Neeson. There is some examination of the puritanim that is still affecting American society.

B9K

[Rock Dog]

Bart9000,

Thanks for the tip. I'll pull Kinsey on my list of movies to see.

Interesting that the word puritanism was used, because I've always noticed a kind of split personality in society. I call them the puritans and the swingers. Many people seem to fall into one category or the other.

There's a lot of small towns that fit this description..... go to church every sunday, do what the bible says, sex is evil and anything that feels good must be evil.

I'd say New York or Las Vegas would both be fair examples of the swinger outlook on life. Go for it, have fun, make money and get laid.

Hmmmmm, I wonder which category the average ISG member would fit into?

Rock

[CBGBConnisur]

This is from a German women who has visited the US.

I am not sure,but I feel like the only German women in here.....I as a German women have to say that there is a definite difference between American women and European women. Of course not all AW and not all EW, but most. We grow up different, we are way more educated knowing that in Europe a women has to be able to survive on her own or as a part of a family income. Where in America, women are thriving to find a guy with a lot of money who will support them. Girls in America are 13 and look like 25. The average European girl has to start apprenticeship with 15 and has a Associating degree by age 18. And everybody has to do that with NO exceptions. We also have respect for men. We don't over rule a mans decision. We have a different look on life from eating to appearance to life and health.
Maybe I am talking to way to young people in here who are still growing up. Whatever I said, does not go for all American women white or black and is not to hurt anybody. All I say is, YES there is a definite difference between American and European women.
I definitely noticed a difference between German chics and American women. You guys have to visit an FKK club over there at least once, the experience will blow your mind.

[Doctor_Skank]

Interesting comments AB. I like the way the German girl was almost apologetic in her criticism. When I meet American girls in Europe usually their most intelligent comments are things like:

They call Diet Coke "Coke Light" here!

The toilet paper isnt as soft as it is back home.

Why does everybody wear dark colors?

And the best are the stereotypes that have existed since before World War 2, stereotypes that refuse to go away... like Europeans not showering daily or not shaving their legs. Both of which are really moronic. Euro women are much better maintained the American women. Go shopping in America and watch the whales push around their shopping carts wearing sweatpants... one of the most disgusting sights I can imagine. A woman who cant even make her self look half way presentable before going out in public is a woman who has already surrendered to life and is letting life run her over. Its sad. I dont hate them in any way, I just feel sorry for them and know I could never be with such a woman. I think it is a fundamental difference in mentality and that fat American women, although obviously frustrated, really dont know what they miss out on in life through their lack of self-discipline. It is possible to maintain a decent body in America, if you make an effort.

There are definitely a lot of differences between European women and American women... and also a lot of differences between Southern European women and Northern European women, Eastern European women and Western European women etc....

One thing I DO like about American women is their sense of humour... I always was attracted to American women with a great, often sarcastic, sense of humour. They weren't always easy to find, but when I did find one, she was golden...

They also make great buddies... but do you really want to fuck your buddy?

In most matters I am afraid I would have to say I prefer European women... and also prefer a lot of the European lifestyle and European outlook on life.

You can talk openly about sex with European women. Most of them dont have sexual hangups.

They dont diet, but still look better. They simply have eating discipline and are more active.

They dress better. They can dress sexy without looking slutty.

They can carry themselves. Invite 20 equally beautiful women to a party, have them all wear nice party or cocktail dresses. Pick out the Americans. They are easy to spot, they look uncomfortable and out of place, or at the very least overly made up.

Euro women have a more natural relationship to their bodies and their sexuality. Its a silly example, but notice how American perfumes, shampoos and even tampons are scented with sickenly sweet smells? Sweet = sex to the American girl. Euro girl perfumes are more erotic, more naturally musky... pheromonic.

CBGB:
As for FKK girls... they are great, although German FKK girls are not favorite... EE girls are often better... and German girls working FKK are not really representative of normal Euro girls IMO. German girls at FKK may look hot, but are too professional... more so than the more fun-loving girls of other nations.

[Artisttyp]

I'd still like to know what kind of dough the greek guy(a few posts back) is paying for the maid,sex,chef,buddy service? It may not be relevant to the current topics being discussed but if anyone has any experience with this I'd like to read some posts on it.
I also would like to add that those kind of experiences make good stories for daytime tv.They are always about a twisted realationship and the woman finds out too much personal stuff about the guy ie. finances etc.
I would also like to remind people first hand about the dangers of picking up bacteria from water and food in other countries.I've been sick for over a month with head spins and nausea from bad water I had in jamaica.I went to visit someone in the mountains whose only source of drinking water was collected rain water.I would never drink anything like that but he cooked with this water and it's been brutal.The worst thing about it is alot of times these things dont show up in blood tests etc. so you have to let it run it's course.Don't act like a local when you eat and drink it's better to be seen as a gringo.

[CBGBConnisur]

Interesting comments AB. I like the way the German girl was almost apologetic in her criticism. When I meet American girls in Europe usually their most intelligent comments are things like:

They call Diet Coke "Coke Light" here!

The toilet paper isnt as soft as it is back home.

Why does everybody wear dark colors?

And the best are the stereotypes that have existed since before World War 2, stereotypes that refuse to go away... like Europeans not showering daily or not shaving their legs. Both of which are really moronic. Euro women are much better maintained the American women. Go shopping in America and watch the whales push around their shopping carts wearing sweatpants... one of the most disgusting sights I can imagine. A woman who cant even make her self look half way presentable before going out in public is a woman who has already surrendered to life and is letting life run her over. Its sad. I dont hate them in any way, I just feel sorry for them and know I could never be with such a woman. I think it is a fundamental difference in mentality and that fat American women, although obviously frustrated, really dont know what they miss out on in life through their lack of self-discipline. It is possible to maintain a decent body in America, if you make an effort.

There are definitely a lot of differences between European women and American women... and also a lot of differences between Southern European women and Northern European women, Eastern European women and Western European women etc....

One thing I DO like about American women is their sense of humour... I always was attracted to American women with a great, often sarcastic, sense of humour. They weren't always easy to find, but when I did find one, she was golden...

They also make great buddies... but do you really want to fuck your buddy?

In most matters I am afraid I would have to say I prefer European women... and also prefer a lot of the European lifestyle and European outlook on life.

You can talk openly about sex with European women. Most of them dont have sexual hangups.

They dont diet, but still look better. They simply have eating discipline and are more active.

They dress better. They can dress sexy without looking slutty.

They can carry themselves. Invite 20 equally beautiful women to a party, have them all wear nice party or cocktail dresses. Pick out the Americans. They are easy to spot, they look uncomfortable and out of place, or at the very least overly made up.

Euro women have a more natural relationship to their bodies and their sexuality. Its a silly example, but notice how American perfumes, shampoos and even tampons are scented with sickenly sweet smells? Sweet = sex to the American girl. Euro girl perfumes are more erotic, more naturally musky... pheromonic.

CBGB:
As for FKK girls... they are great, although German FKK girls are not favorite... EE girls are often better... and German girls working FKK are not really representative of normal Euro girls IMO. German girls at FKK may look hot, but are too professional... more so than the more fun-loving girls of other nations.

I have been in a short term relationship with an EE woman who has lived in Germany, in all honesty she has a great body but only exercises once a week. She also cooks :) something rare for women these days!! A lot of the food she makes tends to be kind of fatty but the catch is that we wind up eating smaller portions because we feel full faster. German, EE, and other continentals tend to consume more fat than your average AW as a percentage of their caloric intake, I have seen the fat filled foods in European supermarkets, yet the people who buy them are thin.
Some European women might seem cold at first glance, but if you grow a pair of balls and walk up to them, you can get a big flirty smile, which is what I get. I had a few experiences where I would meet a strange woman in Europe and she would seem a bit cold but then after a while she would start warming up like anything. I noticed this with a cashier in a store in Germany, the first couple of times she had the typical cold demeanor of someone who works in a service sector job in that country, but then after a couple of days she would be eye fucking me while treating the other people like cattle. I had the same experience with a bank teller in small town, she was about 16 years junior to me at the ripe age of 20, but became suddenly flirty with me in front of her boss when she found out I was an American from NYC.

I also noticed Diet Coke is Coca Cola Light in Germany and other Western countries. Diet Pepsi is Pepsi Max in Ozzie.
Doctor Skank: As far as fat American women having little self respect or self esteem, this is hardly the case, the fatter the AW and the more horribly dressed she is the more obnoxious. Years of living in New York City, I have always known that the most obnoxious and arrogant egotistical women tend to be very fat.

[Cyberdas]

Here's the link to the site:
http://steakandblowjobday.g-spotting.net/

Celebrate March 20th - Steak And Blowjob Day


Guys, you know the drill. Every 14th of February you get the chance to display your fondness for a significant other by showering her with gifts, flowers, dinner, shows and any other baubles that women find romantic.

Every Valentines day you rack your brains for that one special, unique gift that will show your wife or girlfriend that you really do love them more than any other. Now ladies, I'll let you in on a little secret; guys really don't enjoy this that much. Sure seeing that smile on your face when we get it right is priceless, but that smile is the result of weeks of blood, sweat and consideration. Another secret; guys feel left out. That's right, there's no special holiday for the ladies to show their appreciation for the men in their life. Men as a whole are either too proud or too embarrassed to admit it.

Which is why a new holiday has been created.

March 20th is now officially "Steak and Blowjob Day". Simple, effective and self explanatory, this holiday has been created so you ladies finally have a day to show your man how much you love him. No cards, no flowers, no special nights on the town; the name of the holiday explains it all, just a steak and a BJ. Thats it.

Finally, this twin pair of Valentine's Day and Steak and Blowjob Day will usher in a new age of love as men everywhere try THAT much harder in February to ensure a memorable March 20th. Its like a perpetual love machine!

The word is already beginning to spread, but as with any new idea, it needs a little push to start the ball rolling. So spread the word, and help bring love and peace to this crazy world. And, of course, steak and BJs.
steakandblowjobday.g-spotting.net (c) Carlo Zottmann. Original content & idea (c) Storm & Birdsey @ FNX Radio Network Boston, MA, USA. (Thanks to Cindy of derangements.com for the info.)

[Cyberdas]

Here's the link to the website:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0217062contract1.html

Can you imagine something remotely similar to this marriage contract being agreed upon by AW? je..je..je... Parts of this contract are amusing and others are contemplatable. Enjoy!!

[Sinanju Master]

Steak and Blowjob Day! I LOVE IT!! Call it the "reciprocation" of Valentine's day (which is almost ALL about women anyway)!

Doc Skank, everytime so far, you have been right on the money except for this ONE small point: I was in Germany a long time ago in the military and my folks came to visit me for their vacation. I took my mother and sister shopping in the small town where I was stationed and inside this one souvenir shop, I spied this lovely blonde honey who instantly made a part of me act like a weather vane. I was about to approach her to chat her up, when all of a sudden, I caught a whiff of body odor. I put two and two together and detrmined that it came from the object of my desire. I was crushed and broke off my pursuit. However, that was the only time I came across that situation with a female. I encountered a German male in close quarters about a year later when I was in a video store. The guy's B.O. nearly knocked me on my ass.

[Smut Villain]

as far as fat american women having little self respect or self esteem, this is hardly the case, the fatter the aw and the more horribly dressed she is the more obnoxious. years of living in new york city, i have always known that the most obnoxious and arrogant egotistical women tend to be very fat.
funny you say that, i've often noticed the same thing over the years. but i don't think it has much to do with an over-inflated ego, but the opposite; they know they're fat, disgusting, and undesireable so the over-the-top attitudes they are displaying are just a facade (to cover up their insecurities). kind of like that fable about the fox and the "sour grapes"; he "considered" the grapes to be sour only because he couldn't reach them.

[CBGBConnisur]

Steak and Blowjob Day! I LOVE IT!! Call it the "reciprocation" of Valentine's day (which is almost ALL about women anyway)!

Doc Skank, everytime so far, you have been right on the money except for this ONE small point: I was in Germany a long time ago in the military and my folks came to visit me for their vacation. I took my mother and sister shopping in the small town where I was stationed and inside this one souvenir shop, I spied this lovely blonde honey who instantly made a part of me act like a weather vane. I was about to approach her to chat her up, when all of a sudden, I caught a whiff of body odor. I put two and two together and detrmined that it came from the object of my desire. I was crushed and broke off my pursuit. However, that was the only time I came across that situation with a female. I encountered a German male in close quarters about a year later when I was in a video store. The guy's B.O. nearly knocked me on my ass.

Ever fly on Air France? I noticed a strong fart like odor when I flew on that carrier. Absolutely disgusting, not being racist but most French and a lot of Europeans don't like to bathe regularly. A really beautiful German woman I knew who was an Eva Longoria lookalike had some really bad smelling feet, she was Goddess cause a ten car accident beautiful.

[Doctor_Skank]

Maybe I missed something on the European BO issue, or have spent so much time in Europe that I have gotten used to it... :)

Honestly though, at least in Northern Europe and particularly Germany, people generally do shower every day, especially anybody under 40 years old. If someone is really rank smelling, it is usually the older generation, 40+ (I'm almost there too...in age, not rankness...) who grew up in the 60's and 70's when hippie culture was the thing... or the even older generation, 50+, who grew up in Germany in a time were running water or daily hot water was not a given and they got used to showering/bathing maybe 2-3 times a week.

As for Euro girls between 18-30, I've banged numerous freebies (mostly Germans) in the last few years and cant recall any which were either smelly or unshaven. Most shave their bush too, usually in the landing strip style. Most also go to tanning salons, which is nice (as long as they dont overdo it) as it gives their skin a nice color and feel. But maybe I've just picking the wrong girls in my quest for smelly, hairy women... I've never had a French or Greek girl... :)

As for Air France, its the worst airline in the industry... guaranteed to purposely lose your yankee luggage if you fly through CDG. I seriously hate that airline.

But the BO issue is a silly point anyway... back to sex-oriented topics.

[Rock Dog]

You can take 2 girls. A pretty one with Bo and one who's fat and has a nasty attitude.

The pretty girl with the BO can smell as fresh as a rose after a 5 minute shower..... easy!

The fat, nasty one will still be fat and nasty no matter what you do. There might be a cure for fat/nasty, but I suspect it would be easier to cure cancer.

Rock

[Doctor_Skank]

"When did Germany move to Northen Europe?"

Germany as a country is generally considered central Europe, you are right in that sense. I am referering to cultural aspects, which is also where the showering issue comes in. Northern Europe isnt defined by borders, but rather geographically and culturally. Culturally, northern Germans are closer in several aspects to Scandanavians than they are to southern Germans (Bavarians) or eastern Germans (Saxons).

Wikipedia defines it as such:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Europe

I would even go so far as to include northern France into northern Europe, as their behavior varies greatly from that of southern France. I seem to be alone in this definition though, so I'll happily drop that.

"Actually, French women are particularly endowed in the body odor department, leading to the early dominance of the French fragrance industry."

So that's why. I like that theory and will be sure to bring it up next time I am having an argument with my French friends... :)

By the way, the bidet is a great thing and used in much of Europe, not as a substitute for a bath but just generally to keep things clean down under...

[CBGBConnisur]

Most people would classify Germany, France, the UK and Ireland, Benelux, and Scandinavia as "Northern Europe" these tend to be the richest European countries as a whole and the most modern. Interesting read on BW about economic decline in Europe focusing mainly on Germany, France, and Italy, it said the average citzen's(of these countries) income would be half of the average American or Brit by 2025.

[Doctor_Skank]

Many Germans do refer to themselves as "Nordeuropaer"... even on the news. Usually Europe is culturally and physically divided between northern Europeans and southern Europeans... northern Europeans being blonde, blue-eyed and pale and southern Europeans being darker-skinned and dark-haired with brown eyes, such as Italy., Spain, most of France etc. But whatever.

Bidet is not a substitiute for bath and shower and only really low-class or uneducated people would use it to wash the tits. Other countries with bidet? In high class homes you'll find the bidet in Germany, UK, Russia, Ukraine etc. etc.

[Rock Dog]

Here are some comments by Dr. Laura Schlessinger in a recent magazine article re: career women.

Dr Laura's response when asked about women's career/motherhood choices.

"I have absolutely no compassion and no patience for women who whine about how difficult it is, because basically, they are choosing their career over their kid and they are trying to justify it.
You make choices every day. If you make the wrong choice: own it. And your kid will pay the price."

Question by the interviewer: "so unless a mother is home with her child before and after school, she is not doing a good job?"

"Absolutely, that's child neglect, unless daddy's there. I was on the Phil Donahue Show 13 years ago when my first book came out. And I said to all the feminists in the audience, "tell you what, you are going to die tomorrow..... then you're going to come back the day after tomorrow. You can choose to come back to a mother, or a daycare centre, or a nanny, or a babysitter. Now, how many of you want the nanny, the daycare centre or the babysitter? Stand up." Nobody got up. Later I said the same thing to a group of 5000 professional women. Nobody got up. And I said "OK ladies, don't do to your kids what you wouldn't want done to yourself."

Statement by the interviewer: "Of course every woman wants to be there for her children as much as possible but, as women, we also need meaningful work in our lives."

Dr. Laura "Oh give me a break! Oh please! That's just self-centeredness. I never said that women shouldn't work. I just said that their kids shouldn't pay the price. There's a huge difference, but a lot of people don't want to hear that."

There you have it.... Dr. Laura saying the words that no man would dare to utter. That today's career women are SELFISH AND SELF CENTERED. Can you imagine the reaction if those statements were made by a man?

Rock

[Doctor_Skank]

I mention blonde hair, blue eyes and fair skin and now I am a nazi. Uh huh.

I give up, got to go back to my shitty life banging all those unbathed, unshaven Euro women. It sucks, but somebody has to do it.

[Sinanju Master]

Rock, when I read that post, I could scarcely believe my eyes! A WOMAN (an AMERICAN WOMAN at that!!) telling women like it is without the bullshit excuses and justifications that they toss out at the drop of a dime! I LOVE IT!!

Marak, I haven't looked at the link you sent yet, but I'm sure one of the guys you are referring to is Ross Jeffries. I'd heard about him way back in the late 80's, and to see a nerdy schmoe like him score with babes left and right makes me ashamed that I haven't studied from him like some Shaolin disciple!

[Admin]

Greetings Everyone,

After receiving numerous complaints regarding James D 2004, I have decided to move all of his "reports" to a new thread titled "James D 2004's Opinions".

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2307

Those of you who wish to continue engaging in a dialog with James D 2004 are welcome to join him in his new thread.

Thanks,

Jackson

[Sinanju Master]

Zeus has spoken!

[DJ FourMoney]

To fellow mongers

Today is a very special day. We are finally rid of that worthless sob James D 2004 once and for all. I would like to send a special thanks to bart9000 and rock dog who joined me in this fight. We persisted and came out victorious. Congratulations everyone.

Marak5

I really didn't have a problem with him, his shh was just hard to read and understand sometimes, check that, most of the time.

I guess we can get on with the subject at hand? Complainin about American Women?? lol

[Paddy]

As a senior member and one of the oldest guys on this forum, I want to sincerely thank all of you for returning some sanity to this thread. Honestly, I gave up on the AW forum because of James' incoherent and overwhelming number of postings. He almost destroyed this forum and nobody was being served in the final analysis.

Moving on, I've always wanted to pose a question on the AW forum. Is there anywhere and I mean anywhere in America where the women are decent and I'm inquiring about non-working girls? I know that the women of Montreal are exceptional from personal experience. I've "heard" that women in some cities in Texas are OK along with some other cities in the south. I'd like to hear your nominations and thoughts. I'd like to think that there are some hamlets or cities somewhere in America or Canada where the women aren't ballbusters with major league control agendas. Thanks in advance for your nominations.

[Bart9000]

Hi Paddy,

(Pause for a moment to do the happy dance over Big J's removal from board)

My pet theory on this has always been the
areas bordering Canada and Mexico, where prostitution is inexpensive and de facto legal by just a quick jump over the border.

Aside from that, I wouldn't look too far for what you are describing. Technology has made us mostly homogenous...all are watching Oprah, Sex in the City, and other undesireable influences. All are also in a position (except for mentioned border areas) holding a monopoly on pussy, and have become accostomed to getting anything they want because of it, which is a major causative factor. in undesireable behavior.

B9K





As a senior member and one of the oldest guys on this forum, I want to sincerely thank all of you for returning some sanity to this thread. Honestly, I gave up on the AW forum because of James' incoherent and overwhelming number of postings. He almost destroyed this forum and nobody was being served in the final analysis.

Moving on, I've always wanted to pose a question on the AW forum. Is there anywhere and I mean anywhere in America where the women are decent and I'm inquiring about non-working girls? I know that the women of Montreal are exceptional from personal experience. I've "heard" that women in some cities in Texas are OK along with some other cities in the south. I'd like to hear your nominations and thoughts. I'd like to think that there are some hamlets or cities somewhere in America or Canada where the women aren't ballbusters with major league control agendas. Thanks in advance for your nominations.

[DJ FourMoney]

I think, while your choices will be limited overall, I think you can find some decent and well mannered women where you don't expect to find them, in the middle of the country or down in the deep south. Those surroundings tend to keep the women there humble because there isn't much uppward moblity going on in those areas.

The downside is they don't tend to be as "polished" as women from the 4 or 5 major metro areas and your selection is very limited if you desire thin women, as these women tend to be more "meaty" as well.

But they still have the general views on sex and relationships that are common in most American women. That's why Im taking a flyer on Europe instead of spending my energy in the US.




Hi Paddy,

(Pause for a moment to do the happy dance over Big J's removal from board)

My pet theory on this has always been the
areas bordering Canada and Mexico, where prostitution is inexpensive and de facto legal by just a quick jump over the border.

Aside from that, I wouldn't look too far for what you are describing. Technology has made us mostly homogenous...all are watching Oprah, Sex in the City, and other undesireable influences. All are also in a position (except for mentioned border areas) holding a monopoly on pussy, and have become accostomed to getting anything they want because of it, which is a major causative factor. in undesireable behavior.

B9K

[Smut Villain]

As a senior member and one of the oldest guys on this forum, I want to sincerely thank all of you for returning some sanity to this thread. Honestly, I gave up on the AW forum because of James' incoherent and overwhelming number of postings. He almost destroyed this forum and nobody was being served in the final analysis.

Moving on, I've always wanted to pose a question on the AW forum. Is there anywhere and I mean anywhere in America where the women are decent and I'm inquiring about non-working girls? I know that the women of Montreal are exceptional from personal experience. I've "heard" that women in some cities in Texas are OK along with some other cities in the south. I'd like to hear your nominations and thoughts. I'd like to think that there are some hamlets or cities somewhere in America or Canada where the women aren't ballbusters with major league control agendas. Thanks in advance for your nominations.
Paddy, Bart9000 pretty much took the words from my mouth. When women know they hold a monopoly on pussy they can get pretty overbearing. But in places like San Diego and Laredo they tend not to be as screwy (in my experience) for the very reasons stated by Bart9000. Women hate it when we have options because it totally fucks up the "sexual blackmail" racket they've got going; and you'd better believe that in a lot of border towns a man really does have options. I'm speaking from experience here.

[Bart9000]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060554738/qid=1140886075/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/002-7519576-8119215?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

I just read this book. It's about average looking guys, scoring with a lot of aw in bars, clubs, etc, in Los Angeles. And they're not spending money on them. They are studying nlp, hypnosis, magic tricks, and various other tactics. Seems like a lot of effort just to keep the attention of a aw.


I read a lot of these books in my twenties. Even the ones that aren't bullshit (see me for list-Ross Jeffries isn't on it), detail things that are basically way too much effort for what are in most cases overly demanding psycho fuck fatties.

[CBGBConnisur]

There you have it.... Dr. Laura saying the words that no man would dare to utter. That today's career women are SELFISH AND SELF CENTERED. Can you imagine the reaction if those statements were made by a man?

Rock

I believe this has been the case for at least 25 years in the USA.

[Bart9000]

Just for the record, for those not familiar with her, Dr. Laura (not an MD or shrink by the way, but Phd in like Kinesiology or something like that) IMHO is a sanctimonious holier than thou, self righteous, hypocrite. (as I recall, Dr. Moral and Upstanding, had some softcore pornish material turn up from her early twenties).

I believe that Dr. Laura advocates absolutely no sex outside marriage (that is an easy perscription to make, when you are married, to those who are not).....and I'm sure you don't want to know what she would probably say about some of the sentiments on this board.

This isn't to say that there are not some valid point below but.....

The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend.

B9K


Here are some comments by Dr. Laura Schlessinger in a recent magazine article re: career women.

Dr Laura's response when asked about women's career/motherhood choices.

"I have absolutely no compassion and no patience for women who whine about how difficult it is, because basically, they are choosing their career over their kid and they are trying to justify it.
You make choices every day. If you make the wrong choice: own it. And your kid will pay the price."

Question by the interviewer: "so unless a mother is home with her child before and after school, she is not doing a good job?"

"Absolutely, that's child neglect, unless daddy's there. I was on the Phil Donahue Show 13 years ago when my first book came out. And I said to all the feminists in the audience, "tell you what, you are going to die tomorrow..... then you're going to come back the day after tomorrow. You can choose to come back to a mother, or a daycare centre, or a nanny, or a babysitter. Now, how many of you want the nanny, the daycare centre or the babysitter? Stand up." Nobody got up. Later I said the same thing to a group of 5000 professional women. Nobody got up. And I said "OK ladies, don't do to your kids what you wouldn't want done to yourself."

Statement by the interviewer: "Of course every woman wants to be there for her children as much as possible but, as women, we also need meaningful work in our lives."

Dr. Laura "Oh give me a break! Oh please! That's just self-centeredness. I never said that women shouldn't work. I just said that their kids shouldn't pay the price. There's a huge difference, but a lot of people don't want to hear that."

There you have it.... Dr. Laura saying the words that no man would dare to utter. That today's career women are SELFISH AND SELF CENTERED. Can you imagine the reaction if those statements were made by a man?

Rock

[Rock Dog]

Bart9000,

I have to admit, I don't know a whole lot about Dr. Laura's positions on most issues. The most striking thing was that anyone would dare to accuse so-called "modern women" of being selfish in their desire to advance their careers.

No one would ever say that about a guy because that's what we're expected to do. By making this criticism of career-women, Dr. Laura implies what we all know deep down inside....... men and women are DIFFERENT and NOT equal. Therefore, women cannot have the same expectations, careerwise, as men.

Any man (eg. politician, univ. prof, judge etc.) making that kind of statement would immediately find himself under attack by hordes of feminazis. Chances are he'd be expected to make some kind of public apology and would probably even lose his job.

Rock

ps. It's great having JD2004 out of here. He was literally choking the forum
with his BS. I think he had FIVE posts in a row at one point.
pps. Thanks to Sinanju, Bart, Marak5 and the others who helped make this happen

[Yogin]

Don't make a hero of this charlatan. She harshly denounces gays, porn, birth control, abortion, and any and all sex outside of marriage. She certainly would label all of us perverts simply for being on this forum.

Her fear & hatred of sex are at the heart of what's wrong with the US. She's part of the problem. Please don't glorify her. And it's true, she has no degree in counseling, therapy, sex research, psychology, or medecine.

[Sinanju Master]

I DO remember Dr. (hah!) Laura as being a conservative to the point that I would tune her out. However, the post in question had me raising my eyebrows. I THINK the idea on this forum is that a WOMAN voiced and espouses those ideas and is beyond the "punishment" that would be surely and swiftly imposed upon a MAN. The OBVIOUS idea that AW's don't want to acknowledge is that men and women are DIFFERENT.

[OwnaFord1994]

I just noticed the new thread, which led me here.

It's amusing that Canadian and Australian residents are active here. Once I became a UK resident for a couple of years, I doubt very much if I'm still qualified to discuss the popular culture back home.

No Britons will think about themselves as Northern Europeans. The percentage of people here with blonde hair blue eyes should be the same as our close tribes, the Germans, which is considered to be rarer than one would like.

We have no choice about wine and perfume, but to put a quintessential piece of French furniture in our bath room is out of the question, even though I don't take a bath everyday in winter.

I hope you North Americans, minus Mexicans, plus Australians, can handle the truth.

Is the sun and earth survey true?

[NoCBJ4Me]

These shots were taken with by a boyfriend while she was a married 28 year old. Now thats moral hgh ground! She did have nice tits though!

[Wanderer1000]

I have known a lady from Argentina for almost three years. She's originally from Brazil. She worked as a pro for about three years in B.A. before moving to the States last summer.

I love talking to her about her impressions of the U.S. This past week we got on the subject of American women. She said they are much colder than S.A. women. She was talking about her gym when she commented on how much fatter American women are. Some of them that work out are thin, but they seem more of the exception here.

She said they seemed in competition with men. I agreed with her and told her they are also more masculine. She agreed and said they are not very feminine -- and when they flirt, they are doing it for their ego, not with an interest for sex. She went on to comment on the younger women having nice cars and seeming more spoiled and arrogant.

I asked her how she came to these conclusions. "Because I am sensitive, I notice these things", she said with a little indignation. I finally laughed at the clarity that was coming through her innocent statements. When she asked what was so funny, I told her that American men that have travelled a lot to other countries generally have the same impressions of AW.

She had mentioned to me on several different occasions when she worked in B.A. that American men seemed to really need affection (as if they were starved for it). I reminded her of these comments she had made in the past, and asked her if she understood now. "Yes, I understand now" - with a sense of firm clarity.

[Bart9000]

It is nice to see someone getting away with taking those well deserved shots. I just wanted to let you know that this bim is the Rush Limbaugh of women and gender issues, hipocracy included, catering to the idiotic puritanical biddies of the right with overly simplistic unrealistic solutions to societal problems. She is (in my opinion) correct sometimes, but the underlying theme is one of the above mentioned.

B9K

[JadedMD]

Dating American women is pretty tough. On some level most of them are fucking bitches. But if you're like me, stuck in the states and interested in dating one and having tons of sex, I suggest you read the Double Your Dating Ebook by David Deangelo. Basically, if you want to Date American bitches you really have to know the "right way" to do it. At each step from meeting them for the first time, getting their email (instead of phone number), meeting for coffee (or beers), getting them to bed, you have to follow a certain almost ritual protocol and know the RIGHT way to do things and bring the girl to the next stage. If you screw up she'll bail on you. I think you can buy the ebook on Ebay (he has his own private store). David Deangelo's advanced Dating techiques DVD series is probably worth looking at as well. There is basically 2 ways to learn the dating protocols - the HARD way like me (crash and burn tons of times until you figure things out) or the easier way (read the ebook by deangelo.) Believe it or not American women are attainable even for ugly guys or foreigners, but they're not easy to deal with.

Personally, I think going to Brazil or Argentina and hooking up with foriegn *****s is preferable to dating American bitches but if you don't have a choice (like me most of the time), get the ebook and practice the techniques on tons of chicks.

[DJ FourMoney]

No wonder I find alot of personal ads from San Diego based women and prolly should have married one or two of them by now..lol



Paddy, Bart9000 pretty much took the words from my mouth. When women know they hold a monopoly on pussy they can get pretty overbearing. But in places like San Diego and Laredo they tend not to be as screwy (in my experience) for the very reasons stated by Bart9000. Women hate it when we have options because it totally fucks up the "sexual blackmail" racket they've got going; and you'd better believe that in a lot of border towns a man really does have options. I'm speaking from experience here.

[DJ FourMoney]

B9K you couldn't be more right. Just because Dr Laura isn't trippin today doesn't mean she supports what we do with our free time either and prolly has a few choice comments for some in here.



Just for the record, for those not familiar with her, Dr. Laura (not an MD or shrink by the way, but Phd in like Kinesiology or something like that) IMHO is a sanctimonious holier than thou, self righteous, hypocrite. (as I recall, Dr. Moral and Upstanding, had some softcore pornish material turn up from her early twenties).

I believe that Dr. Laura advocates absolutely no sex outside marriage (that is an easy perscription to make, when you are married, to those who are not).....and I'm sure you don't want to know what she would probably say about some of the sentiments on this board.

This isn't to say that there are not some valid point below but.....

The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend.

B9K

[DJ FourMoney]

Marak5 -

The blind lead the blind all the time....

The only way to keep your head on straight is to get out of the US and cutoff AW in general. I haven't totally cut them off, but I'm often reminded why I want to start traveling internationally...

The youngins on that board will "get it" someday, maybe some of them won't and end up being sad and lonely only to be actually married to some raving b*tch AW.

Your doin the right thing....


http://www.ufck.org********showthread.php?t=145291&page=5

Some of you guys may see the same in this that I do. This is a thread from another board I post on, mostly kids my age, mid 20s or so. Guys come on there posting all the time about girlfriend issues, and they are the biggest pussies ever. I havent dated seriously in the USA for awhile now since I started going to South America, but I feel so bad for these suckers. The prevailing attitude pretty much is, you gotta kiss your girlfriends ass, or else she will take the sex away. A lot of these guys posting arent bad guys. Young, grad students, smart enough, normal enough. Yet the shit I read about them dealing with their girlfriends are things I would never accept.

This is one example. The subject of a "break" in a relationship comes up - initiated by the girl, and whether it is OK for a guy to sleep around WHILE THEY ARE ON A BREAK THAT SHE INITIATED???

USCJEFF: VEry true. I made that mistake when we had a break 6 months into what turned into a 2 year relastionship. We were able to get back together, but she NEVER let me forget about it

Amanada: BUT... if you fuck another chick. it's over between you and your girl. chances are she wont forgive you, even though she suggested the break.

For me, if a girl in Argentina or the USA told me "let's go on a break" the first thing I would fucking do is buy a plane ticket to Rio or Buenos Aires and head straight for help or the cabarets. I'm not going to fucking sit around while some girl tells me "let's take a break" which means she's pretty much free to go out and do whatever, yet I get to sit around and wait for her to make up her mind, and even if I DO get with someone else, it will be held against me? And this USCJeff guy still thinks he made a mistake? And this Amanda girl pretty much comes in and says "yep, that's the way it is, take it or leave it." FUCK THAT.

And the next comment by this Amanda girl gives more insight into the accepted mindset of the AW.

Amanda:yeah. we think we want a break. but we don't. if we wanted a break we would break up with you. she probably was starting to wonder how serious and how long yall are going to be together... or maybe she got scared... or hell maybe she did fuck another dude. we change our minds at the drop of a hat. lol.

Basically the message here is, obey all that the AW wants and needs, and if you dont, you will get no sex. Hell, maybe your girlfriend did cheat she says, who knows, isn't it so cute that aw are completely shitty girlfriends and can go from in love to cheating at any time?

Sadly these guys would never think to monger, or even step outside of the usa for pussy, so they are stuck with this shit.

[Artisttyp]

I was at a family gathering the other night where all the guys in my family are stuck in meaningless realtionships besides me.I was having a talk with one of their wifes and told her I wasn't into american women anymore and more or less spelled out why.She just kind of looked at me with a scolding dubious look like I'm hiding from the real situation and that I was up to no good.
American women feel so second rate to foreign women then they turn it on the guy that he is not able to deal with a modern women and that he goes below standards to trick women in underdeveloped countries.I noticed this when I was in the dominican republic and took a girl to the bars that AW's go.All those girls gave me dirty looks like I was robbing the poor.
Unfortunately I spend alot of time here in america and feel so helpless.What to do when you are here.... dont bother dont go out etc. it makes things so unbearable.I used to have smut available to me in new york city but now thats been screwed.I'm really having to alter my personal life but I think it will all be worth it in the long run when I spend more time out of the usa.

[Bart9000]

Yea Buddy, I hear you. I have caught a fair degree of crap about my intentions in that direction.

A couple of my managers (yes 40ish married GUYS), who should be in awe of me getting mad 20 year old ass in Prague, instead gave me a ration of crap about it asking "Can't you get a girlfriend here", to which I replied "I don't want one"...I didn't bother explaining to them that I don't really want to be with a woman who has been socially condidtioned to using sex as a weapon.

My mother, when I explained to her that American girls are in many cases, are spoiled, unfaithful, over demanding, bitchy mental cases, boldly delared "Well they can't ALL be". She is probably technically right, but in my estmation, why go to the beach looking for a single grain of sand, when I can (relatively speaking of course, these things are never easy), shoot fish in a barrel in Eastern Europe. Mom thinks I should take up with one of the dumpy leftovers who are strangely unmarried into their late twenties or early thirties.

A friend (former roomate), who is in fact a "30 Year Old Virgin", having never been on a date, kissed a girl, and sure as hell not had any sex, rejected the "gosphel" as I was explaining to him about foreign honeys. He has recently moved ot a moderate sized city, and believes that the local girls are vastly superior to those we had been dealing with in the "rustbelt".

Surprisingly, my Grandmother and her "boyfriend" (both in eighties), like the idea. He nodded understandingly, when I explained "these girls think that I should earn the money, and they should wear the pants". Grandmother thinks girls today are "crazy", and thought it would be a great idea to bring back a humble polite, mentally stable girl from Eastern Europe.

B9K

[Jaimito Cartero]

Surprisingly, my Grandmother and her "boyfriend" (both in eighties), like the idea. He nodded understandingly, when I explained "these girls think that I should earn the money, and they should wear the pants". Grandmother thinks girls today are "crazy", and thought it would be a great idea to bring back a humble polite, mentally stable girl from Eastern Europe.

The only thing about bringing them back is that they will generally become americanized before too long, and then what do you have?

[Artisttyp]

I think alot of the issues I face is because I live in new york city where people come to be someone else and strive towards living a fantasy life.I was born here and will probably always have a base here and a connection to this city.I've stayed in other parts of the country while I was still in school so I know what america has to offer but to someone like me it's not much since I've done alot of traveling in my life.My mother used to tell me I should meet a nice girl from middle america with simple values but in this decade I dont know if thats true anymore since self involved bling bling culture has reached them there parts as well thanks to mtv and other pop culture me me me americana crap.I also dont think I'd relate with their intelect although I am turned on by the exotic trailer park girl with outrageous hair.I see them all the time in new york city.
All in all I think I would get alot more play in more remote parts of america but it's not worth living a life of mediocracy for it.I'm just going to keep searching for that place in the world more than likely a latin country and work out the logistics.

[Bart9000]

The only thing about bringing them back is that they will generally become americanized before too long, and then what do you have?


Dude,

Believe me, we've been over this ground, about 6 times. I personally am working on an expatration, if possible. In the meantime, if I bring back a girl...NO Oprah (and clones), NO Sex in City, No soap operas (I think I will just shut off the cable), . Also, making a good selection is important...if the girl is already in EE a wild party animal shopaholic, you are going to have problems with her.....a simple girl from the country who likes reading and sewing on he other hand.....

B9K

PS What other corruptive societal influences are out there...The biggest one is AW themselves, but what else? Constant bombardment of solicitation for material goods?
-

[Sinanju Master]

I was watching Dr. Phil at work one day and the topic was dating. The women featured on the show were incredibly superficial and one or two of them even went so far as to admit it on national TV. I kept listening to these selfish "queens" about what they wanted (incredibly narrow and difficult-to-achieve field of attributes) but never ONCE did any of them state (in depth) what it was that they could bring to the table regarding THEIR attributes. Basically, it was: "I WANT... I WANT....I WANT".

A while back, I posted about a woman who was the friend of a Czech acquaintance of mine. The Czech chick and I were talking and she told me: "Elizabeth is too picky. She wants a guy who is a CEO of his own company, who drives an Italian car, and is rich". I took all this in and thought to myself: "Man, she's gonna end up with a cold bed, if that's her outlook". While not fugly, she's not even a lower rung model and she has this unrealistic expectation.

Back to Dr. Phil.... It's no wonder that jerks don't want to hang around AW's for too long and be tied down: the AW's lists of demands would eventually drive them away, and what self-respecting guy (non-bad boy) of decent fibre would want to accept the scraps that are left? When I look at couples nowadays, I look beneath the surface (as far as I can) and determine if or not, the guy is in a living hell. My bud is an example: he's on his second marriage and already has two kids with a THIRD on the way from his new wife. He just turned 40 and can expect to be 58 before the new kid even THINKS of leaving home for college, if he so chooses. Oh yeah, he'll probably kill himself working to save for tuition and having to support a family of FIVE. Poor bastard....

[Rock Dog]

Expatriation is an excellent way to go.

The best part is that you can always return to the US (or wherever) for a visit..... even for a few months of the year. You retain the healthcare and citizenship benefits without the legal drawbacks. What's even better, the girl keeps her own culture/character.

Even if you bring her back to the States and she becomes "americanized" at least you got the chance to get a beautiful one to start with. There are so many guys who settle for some homely ho-hum looking women, and they still get burned later.

Guys like Jaimito who are too worried about taking a risk should stick with p4p and stay single.

Rock

[Artisttyp]

Just curious if anyone has been watching this show on mtv with the rapper flavor flav from public enemy? It's a show where they set him up in this mansion with 15 live in girls then 1 or 2 get eliminated every week.It's a really stupid show but I used to listen to public enemy so thats how I became intrested..anyway the women are so insane it's wild they are all going at each others throat to hook up with this guy who is attractive as an old gym sneaker.The main thing is this guy has no money at all he was a mascot for an 80's rap group think of any mascot in costume for a football team and you'll understand flavor flav.Even sadder they dont even realize that the mansion is something mtv set up for the show and they think they are really going to live there.I dont think reality TV does anybody any good except to laugh at ourselves.
The worst is sex in the city it's ruined internet dating for ever.I used to get laid every now then by some older sluts but now all those sites are geared towards the pretty people crowd so they dont go on there anymore.
We are rotting in our own success.
I think jamie makes a good point I've met him before and he's experienced the situation first hand so I listened.Maybe he is better off single but I doubt he cares at this point as long as he gets what he needs..would any of us care if we got that?

[Nick Danger]

Just curious if anyone has been watching this show on mtv with the rapper flavor flav from public enemy? It's a show where they set him up in this mansion with 15 live in girls then 1 or 2 get eliminated every week.It's a really stupid show but I used to listen to public enemy so thats how I became intrested..anyway the women are so insane it's wild they are all going at each others throat to hook up with this guy who is attractive as an old gym sneaker.The main thing is this guy has no money at all he was a mascot for an 80's rap group think of any mascot in costume for a football team and you'll understand flavor flav.Even sadder they dont even realize that the mansion is something mtv set up for the show and they think they are really going to live there.I dont think reality TV does anybody any good except to laugh at ourselves.

The worst is sex in the city it's ruined internet dating for ever.I used to get laid every now then by some older sluts but now all those sites are geared towards the pretty people crowd so they dont go on there anymore.

We are rotting in our own success.

I think jamie makes a good point I've met him before and he's experienced the situation first hand so I listened.Maybe he is better off single but I doubt he cares at this point as long as he gets what he needs..would any of us care if we got that?I've been watching the show too.You have to remember that Flav is on T.V and goes to exciting places.Women love this.It's a far more exciting lifestyle than some ordinary schlub can provide.I didn't think that most of the girls in that show were attractive anyway. However, Smiley, Hoopz and Pumkin were fine.The moral here make your life look interesting and women will swoon over you.

[Artisttyp]

Hoopz was my favorite hands down but not one of those idiots figured out the guy wasn't worth a penny.It just shows you how easily american women get swooned into action.

[DJ FourMoney]

The moral here make your life look interesting and women will swoon over you.

Which explains why so many women marry Firemen, Police Officers and Armed Servicemen...

Can we help it if our lives are a bit boring and normal? Like women are doing something interesting. More than 2/3rds of them aren't doin a dayum thing but going to work, maybe the gym and maybe out for drinks a couple of times a week.

Furthermore, why are we responsible for giving excitement to a woman? That's the dumbest thing I have every heard in my life! I can entertain myself, how come women can not seem to be able too? They barely entertain me and I don't care if they never do (how many even KNOW HOW?).

Again its just the sorted mess than dating in America is today...

[Doctor_Skank]

"The moral here make your life look interesting and women will swoon over you."

Word.

Excitement is something that almost all "girls" love... women 30+ often have other primary motivations, like financial stability, family etc. Frankly, I prefer girls 18-25 to women, so...

I think even better than making your life look interesting is actually making your life interesting. I know its not always possible to shake off the 9 to 5 shackles and make the normal life adventurous and certainly we dont all have to start river rafting and snake charming, but even if your life isnt as interesting as it might be, you can still make it sound more interesting. I think a lot of opportunity is lost here, as in my experience you can definitely climb a rung or two on the ladder of sexual opportunity if you can communicate well. Having some adventures or experiences to draw back on will help you create some interesting stories to tell. A while back it was commented on that women dont like it when men only talk about themselves on a date... well that is only partially true. If you are good at telling stories you can make progress rather quickly... women love to hear stories, especially funny or interesting stories... at least that has been my experience. I really think working on your communication skills is a key element in succeeding with women.

Confidence in communication is also a key factor in impressing a girl... at least one that isnt only looking at your car, your muscles, your skin color or the color of your credit card.

If you meet a decent and open-minded girl though... and chances are if you get at least a date you have a chance... you can also get her hooked with clever compliments, not overdone, but subtle. Women like to look and feel beautiful... if you can make them feel that way, they soon get addicted to that feeling, and you.

As for dating, what works well for me (admittedly lately in countries outside the US, but when in the US it also worked) is to avoid the traditional date completely. The traditional date isnt the best platform for getting a girl to want you. Putting yourself in more comfortable positions with the girl, places where you can get some physical contact or cuddling without it being too obvious or where she is not expecting it, can be the better option. Break the rules and dont just stick to the movie/bar/restaurant routine.

For example, we all have experienced that dreaded moment in the movie theater on a first date where you have to do the "reach", trying to put your arm around your girl... easy for her to block and if she does, your evening is often over before it began. Take her to the park instead, give her your arm. Let her get comfortable with your touch. Women like to be touched, but are restrictive on who gets to do it. You can get to first base really quickly this way. Restaurants can be a good bet, but can also be awkward as hell. Try a coffee house first, atmosphere is more relaxed... or at least find a cosy restaurant where physical contact is possible. My favorites are cosy cocktail bars... much better than a raucous bar, where it is not only loud but you also will have tons of competition around vying for the attention of your female... and if you are on a first date with a shaky candidate, high-competition environments should probably be avoided. The cocktail bar is fun and your girl is going to get tipsy whether she likes it or not.

But back to the adventure part, I often get girls who tell me "surprise me", "dazzle me" or "excite me". It shouldnt be taken as an insurmountable challenge, but rather as an opportunity.

[Artisttyp]

You bring up a really good point.My father god bless his soul used to tell me the same thing but in favor of women."What have you got to offer a woman?" I always responded what do they have to offer me? I was only a kid but I new better...like I'm supposed to go through high water to prove myself to a women.What about what could you ... offer to each other that could make you grow togther.
I also agree with your comment that most women are NOT exciting.They dont do anything.If you look at these online dating sites their all looking for a man of the world and their intrests are traveling,good movies,good food etc. Is this what they do for themselves...no they look for someone else to give that to them and I'm supposed to do a song and dance routine to entertain them????
I think alot of guys fall for that crap and make themselves look like complete idiots and when women realize you are a guy who realizes this it's a complete turn off to them.Some guys I've discussed this with are so brainwashed they think I'm a sore loser and that I dont have a clue about woman.What bullshit.

[Suave Gato]

"The moral here make your life look interesting and women will swoon over you."

Word.

Excitement is something that almost all "girls" love... women 30+ often have other primary motivations, like financial stability, family etc. Frankly, I prefer girls 18-25 to women, so...

I think even better than making your life look interesting is actually making your life interesting. I know its not always possible to shake off the 9 to 5 shackles and make the normal life adventurous and certainly we dont all have to start river rafting and snake charming, but even if your life isnt as interesting as it might be, you can still make it sound more interesting. I think a lot of opportunity is lost here, as in my experience you can definitely climb a rung or two on the ladder of sexual opportunity if you can communicate well. Having some adventures or experiences to draw back on will help you create some interesting stories to tell. A while back it was commented on that women dont like it when men only talk about themselves on a date... well that is only partially true. If you are good at telling stories you can make progress rather quickly... women love to hear stories, especially funny or interesting stories... at least that has been my experience. I really think working on your communication skills is a key element in succeeding with women.

Confidence in communication is also a key factor in impressing a girl... at least one that isnt only looking at your car, your muscles, your skin color or the color of your credit card.

If you meet a decent and open-minded girl though... and chances are if you get at least a date you have a chance... you can also get her hooked with clever compliments, not overdone, but subtle. Women like to look and feel beautiful... if you can make them feel that way, they soon get addicted to that feeling, and you.

As for dating, what works well for me (admittedly lately in countries outside the US, but when in the US it also worked) is to avoid the traditional date completely. The traditional date isnt the best platform for getting a girl to want you. Putting yourself in more comfortable positions with the girl, places where you can get some physical contact or cuddling without it being too obvious or where she is not expecting it, can be the better option. Break the rules and dont just stick to the movie/bar/restaurant routine.

For example, we all have experienced that dreaded moment in the movie theater on a first date where you have to do the "reach", trying to put your arm around your girl... easy for her to block and if she does, your evening is often over before it began. Take her to the park instead, give her your arm. Let her get comfortable with your touch. Women like to be touched, but are restrictive on who gets to do it. You can get to first base really quickly this way. Restaurants can be a good bet, but can also be awkward as hell. Try a coffee house first, atmosphere is more relaxed... or at least find a cosy restaurant where physical contact is possible. My favorites are cosy cocktail bars... much better than a raucous bar, where it is not only loud but you also will have tons of competition around vying for the attention of your female... and if you are on a first date with a shaky candidate, high-competition environments should probably be avoided. The cocktail bar is fun and your girl is going to get tipsy whether she likes it or not.

But back to the adventure part, I often get girls who tell me "surprise me", "dazzle me" or "excite me". It shouldnt be taken as an insurmountable challenge, but rather as an opportunity.

You are entirely correct. I used this exact approach two weeks ago at a Valentines Day party in Lima, Peru. I have found that the best scenario's for meeting women in a foreign country are to first get to know the top local monger's and their friends and then get invites to the private parties. Being the attractive worldly foreigner is irresistable bait to most women. Some girls may not want you except to win the competition.

[Chocha Monger]

American women don't marry members of the Armed Forces because of the excitement. The real reason more likely has to do with the fact that they receive generous medical and dental coverage, housing allowance, tax free shopping, cheap airfare and their kids get to attend Department of Defense schools which are a lot better than public schooling. They also get get plenty of free time to fuck around on their husbands when they're deployed or away on training. The military system also gives them ways of controlling their husbands which is non-existant in the civilian world. If their husband gets wasted in a war its payday for them starting at $400,000. In other words there is not a more attractive target for a greedy scheming AW than a man in uniform, except perhaps a the usual fantasy targets like doctors, lawyers and millionaires.

American women expect us to provide a large income, big house, and nice SUV, yet still that's not enough they want entertaiment too. However, it's not easy to provide financial stability and the exciting life of a bad boy simultaneously. Most, if they are good looking enough will have an exciting person to fuck and a successful husband to bring in the money and confer social status. This is only one of the reasons why I say fuck off to American women. I don't feel like being someone's financier, clown and entertainer all rolled into one just to get a lousy fuck at the end of it all and some bitchiness thrown in for good measure.

Here is a an idea for American women, instead of publishing a list of demands and then sitting back on their asses waiting for some poor sucker to attempt to meet those demands, why don't they market themselves to us for a change. Yes, why don't they tell me how they can be exciting? Tell me how they can give me the BBBJCIM of my life. Tell me how they're going to ride my dick till it's sore. And I don't want them to just tell me. I want them to follow through on the sales pitch too, and I want them to keep doing it after they get married. How about them giving some moral support or financial support when the chips are down for a change. Maybe, if they did those things I wouldn't mind giving them what they want and I wouldn't be searching for a plane ticket abroad.

Until AW learn to market themselves by bringing something to the table other than a half-hearted fuck my money and time would not be going their way. I rather give my money to the airlines, hotels and chicas who know how to make me holler. My ball sack is very interesting but AW wouldn't know that unless they're willing to get down there and give it a few licks. It just takes way too much time and effort to get pass the bitchiness and bullshit games only to end up regretting ever having done so at all.

[Brian Moloney]

American women don't marry members of the Armed Forces because of the excitement. The real reason more likely has to do with the fact that they receive generous medical and dental coverage, housing allowance, tax free shopping, cheap airfare and their kids get to attend Department of Defense schools which are a lot better than public schooling. They also get get plenty of free time to fuck around on their husbands when they're deployed or away on training. The military system also gives them ways of controlling their husbands which is non-existant in the civilian world. If their husband gets wasted in a war its payday for them starting at $400,000. In other words there is not a more attractive target for a greedy scheming AW than a man in uniform, except perhaps a the usual fantasy targets like doctors, lawyers and millionaires.

American women expect us to provide a large income, big house, and nice SUV, yet still that's not enough they want entertaiment too. However, it's not easy to provide financial stability and the exciting life of a bad boy simultaneously. Most, if they are good looking enough will have an exciting person to fuck and a successful husband to bring in the money and confer social status. This is only one of the reasons why I say fuck off to American women. I don't feel like being someone's financier, clown and entertainer all rolled into one just to get a lousy fuck at the end of it all and some bitchiness thrown in for good measure.

Here is a an idea for American women, instead of publishing a list of demands and then sitting back on their asses waiting for some poor sucker to attempt to meet those demands, why don't they market themselves to us for a change. Yes, why don't they tell me how they can be exciting? Tell me how they can give me the BBBJCIM of my life. Tell me how they're going to ride my dick till it's sore. And I don't want them to just tell me. I want them to follow through on the sales pitch too, and I want them to keep doing it after they get married. How about them giving some moral support or financial support when the chips are down for a change. Maybe, if they did those things I wouldn't mind giving them what they want and I wouldn't be searching for a plane ticket abroad.

Until AW learn to market themselves by bringing something to the table other than a half-hearted fuck my money and time would not be going their way. I rather give my money to the airlines, hotels and chicas who know how to make me holler. My ball sack is very interesting but AW wouldn't know that unless they're willing to get down there and give it a few licks. It just takes way too much time and effort to get pass the bitchiness and bullshit games only to end up regretting ever having done so at all.Could not of said it better myself Nice report.

[Rock Dog]

Chocha, you asked the following....

Here is a an idea for American women, instead of publishing a list of demands and then sitting back on their asses waiting for some poor sucker to attempt to meet those demands, why don't they market themselves to us for a change. Yes, why don't they tell me how they can be exciting?

Why don't they? Because they don't have to.... that's why. And the reason is because there is a virtually endless supply of poon-starved losers out there who cave in and give them what they want.

Does that suck? YES. Do we as individuals have to put up with it? NO, there ARE alternatives.

Rock

[Chocha Monger]

Rock,

You're absolutely right, they don't have to market themselves there are lines of guys willing to back-stab their best friend over some pussy in this country. These guys will turn over their last penny for some butter-face poon and American women know that only too well. Listening to AW [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and moan about not being able to find a man (more like THE man) one would be lead to believe that cock is a rare resource in America. When they complain about not being able to find an exciting man, what they really mean is that they can't find one rich and stupid enough to pay their way through the Caribbean and Europe. However, there are tons of American men willing to fuck an AW cadaver.

I am not obligated to put up with them and I don't. I just hope that they have something to fuel jets after oil runs out because it would really suck to have to take a sail boat to South America or elsewhere. Then again no SUVs and having to work long hard hours in fields and factories in the post-oil age just might change some AW attitudes.

[Bart9000]

American women don't marry members of the Armed Forces because of the excitement. The real reason more likely has to do with the fact that they receive generous medical and dental coverage, housing allowance, tax free shopping, cheap airfare and their kids get to attend Department of Defense schools which are a lot better than public schooling. They also get get plenty of free time to fuck around on their husbands when they're deployed or away on training. The military system also gives them ways of controlling their husbands which is non-existant in the civilian world. If their husband gets wasted in a war its payday for them starting at $400,000. In other words there is not a more attractive target for a greedy scheming AW than a man in uniform, except perhaps a the usual fantasy targets like doctors, lawyers and millionaires.

American women expect us to provide a large income, big house, and nice SUV, yet still that's not enough they want entertaiment too. However, it's not easy to provide financial stability and the exciting life of a bad boy simultaneously. Most, if they are good looking enough will have an exciting person to fuck and a successful husband to bring in the money and confer social status. This is only one of the reasons why I say fuck off to American women. I don't feel like being someone's financier, clown and entertainer all rolled into one just to get a lousy fuck at the end of it all and some bitchiness thrown in for good measure.

Here is a an idea for American women, instead of publishing a list of demands and then sitting back on their asses waiting for some poor sucker to attempt to meet those demands, why don't they market themselves to us for a change. Yes, why don't they tell me how they can be exciting? Tell me how they can give me the BBBJCIM of my life. Tell me how they're going to ride my dick till it's sore. And I don't want them to just tell me. I want them to follow through on the sales pitch too, and I want them to keep doing it after they get married. How about them giving some moral support or financial support when the chips are down for a change. Maybe, if they did those things I wouldn't mind giving them what they want and I wouldn't be searching for a plane ticket abroad.

Until AW learn to market themselves by bringing something to the table other than a half-hearted fuck my money and time would not be going their way. I rather give my money to the airlines, hotels and chicas who know how to make me holler. My ball sack is very interesting but AW wouldn't know that unless they're willing to get down there and give it a few licks. It just takes way too much time and effort to get pass the bitchiness and bullshit games only to end up regretting ever having done so at all.


Let me jump in with a big "Amen" on this. This correlates into my favorite refrain "They love to give it up to the 'Bad Boy Loser'.". No entertainment is more valuable to an AW than human drama (losing jobs, cheating, running around, being a drunk, drug addict/dealer). I personally am too tired to manufacture (drama) any by the time I get finished making a living.

Being charming/entertaining used to be the function of the woman (anyone ever hear of a man being sent to "charm school"). Quite frankly they are better suited to it with neurophysiology geared toward being vocal, and understanding social dynamics. But, as Rock just stated, this, due to supply and demand is something that has gotten pushed off onto men in our screwed up culture.

[Sinanju Master]

I remember listening to the cousin of my best friend a while back, and she was talking about her ideal man. She said that her ideal man would be Tom Cruise with a 9" cock. What? There are only a FEW guffaws from my bretheren? Wait... it gets BETTER... this same woman looks as if her second job is being the main attraction at SEA WORLD! This woman has more cottage cheese-looking cellulite than Sam Breakstone's factory! I weigh close to 240 and I'm willing to bet that at about 5'6", she weighs as much as I do and I'm over 6'. AND she's married to a poor schmoe that has (relatively) lots of money (in his pension) and she's overly demanding and has a major-league attitude. Thinking about the two of them engaging in sex almost makes me wanna run to the toilet to empty the contents of my stomach!

THIS is the fate of a man who doesn't stick to his guns and demand that a woman bring attractive (long term) attributes to the table!

[Furiouz]

Good discussions, gents. Keep em coming.

I was in the Navy 91-95. I went to Italy, Spain, and Israel on a Med cruise. I got to experiance European women on a seriously personal level. When I returned from my cruise and visited family/friends for the holidays, I told my male friends how really screwed up women where. Of course, all of us only being 23 at the time, they would let the women run all over them....happily. They thought that was how life was to be. I tried to tell them how bad it's getting for men, what with the constant male-bashing, manipulating, etc, etc. No dice.

Fast forward to 2006. We are all 34-35 now. All my friends almost to a man hate women. I mean really really do not like women. And almost non of them are married or have kids. Why?

The most common reason: women don't have much to offer except sex. In my generation, women don't cook, don't clean. I just read a report <can't find the frikkin link> that stated the average american man weighs 205lbs average american woman weighs 180lbs! Uhmm...what?

Anyways, whenever I see a hot AW that exudes nothing but attitude, I think " I can't wait to get to Europe!"

[Bart9000]

I remember listening to the cousin of my best friend a while back, and she was talking about her ideal man. She said that her ideal man would be Tom Cruise with a 9" cock. What? There are only a FEW guffaws from my bretheren? Wait... it gets BETTER... this same woman looks as if her second job is being the main attraction at SEA WORLD! This woman has more cottage cheese-looking cellulite than Sam Breakstone's factory! I weigh close to 240 and I'm willing to bet that at about 5'6", she weighs as much as I do and I'm over 6'. AND she's married to a poor schmoe that has (relatively) lots of money (in his pension) and she's overly demanding and has a major-league attitude. Thinking about the two of them engaging in sex almost makes me wanna run to the toilet to empty the contents of my stomach!

THIS is the fate of a man who doesn't stick to his guns and demand that a woman bring attractive (long term) attributes to the table!


.....what I tend to refer to as a "dumpy leftover". Notice that despite any initial ease in dealing with them, relative to young hot AW, they are no less in the longer term, spoiled and unrealistic (as evidenced above), psychotic, demanding, bitchy, materialistic, greedy, prone to withold sex.......pretty much you end up paying the same dues as you do with a hottie,

[Rock Dog]

Bart9k,

Yep. It's 100% true.

No entertainment is more valuable to an AW than human drama (losing jobs, cheating, running around, being a drunk, drug addict/dealer).

What better proof of this than the entertainment form known as the chick-flick? I've noticed that girls just seem to get sucked in by these movies....... and it's always the same kind of crap, relationships and such. The same idea explains why women enjoy gossip so much. If there's nothing going on in your own life, just talk about somebody else's.

I laughed (but just a little) when Sinanju gave the Tom Cruise/9 inch example. A classic example of an ordinary/homely/fat girl who still dreams big. Nothing wrong with that really, but it seems like there's an awfully large number of women out there passing up decent guys like us because they think there's some chance those dreams might come true.

Rock

[Yogin]

My current GF is from Japan. Growing up the only child in a well to do family, she wanted for nothing materially. Nice house, exclusive private schools. Is she spoiled? Not by a longshot. She readily cooks, cleans, loves to fuck frequently with great enthusiasm, is humble, affectionate, generous, grateful, and enjoys the simple things of life. Doesn't care that I don't have a huge garish house in the suburbs or drive a monster size SUV. She works hard at her job and doesn't expect me to support her or shower her with expensive gifts. She takes great pains to not be a burden on me. She's well-traveled and worldly, so I don't anticipate her changing radically after ten years in the US.

Every AW I've ever known with the same privileged background as she has been fat, demanding, and obsessed with collecting material status symbols. Sex to those princesses was a necessary chore in order to hook me into their BS. I've been dumped three times by AW's because I didn't make enough money. Never again! So true what others here say: they do it because we let them get away with it. American guys who believe this is as good as it gets are truly pitiful, and need to wake up & travel outside of Sex Prison USA.

[Chocha Monger]

You have to be careful with these women who seek excitement and drama. If they think that you have a lot to offer but your life needs a little drama then it will only be a matter of time before they turn your life into a Greek tragedy. One of the most dangerous species of AW is "the victim". The victim uses these sad stories about how her ex-boyfriend, ex-husband or father was a real asshole in order to get close to her target. One she gets her hooks into you the tears, screams, lies and other theatrics begin. It is also very hard to get rid of victims because they tend to be stalkers. Be careful who you fuck because these chicks are usually attractive enough to draw you in and do a good job of hiding their psychotic nature until it's too late. Too late meaning after you've fucked them. If you try to separate yourself from them after you've fucked them and realized that they have issues it will only feed into their objective of being viewed as a victim, then they go into vindictive psycho mode. Distance yourself from any AW who seems overly interested in your personal life, especially if you've just met her.

[Nick Danger]

You have to be careful with these women who seek excitement and drama. If they think that you have a lot to offer but your life needs a little drama then it will only be a matter of time before they turn your life into a Greek tragedy. One of the most dangerous species of AW is "the victim". The victim uses these sad stories about how her ex-boyfriend, ex-husband or father was a real asshole in order to get close to her target. One she gets her hooks into you the tears, screams, lies and other theatrics begin. It is also very hard to get rid of victims because they tend to be stalkers. Be careful who you fuck because these chicks are usually attractive enough to draw you in and do a good job of hiding their psychotic nature until it's too late. Too late meaning after you've fucked them. If you try to separate yourself from them after you've fucked them and realized that they have issues it will only feed into their objective of being viewed as a victim, then they go into vindictive psycho mode. Distance yourself from any AW who seems overly interested in your personal life, especially if you've just met her.Wow! You just described my last girlfriend.She went on and on about her her last guy dumped her and father was booted out of the house and I find out that she talking to the dick several times a week.These are the chicks that I want to fuck and dump.

[Sinanju Master]

You just reminded me of a scary episode I experienced in college. I was on the bus heading home from my classes when some chick sitting a couple seats away from me struck up a conversation. We found out that we went to the same college and had some of the same instructors, but at diff times of the day. She invited me back to her place and we fucked on the first date. I saw her for a few more weeks, but started to notice that she was getting REAL POSSESSIVE, REAL FAST. One morning (the night after I drilled her) she called my apartment and I let the phone ring 26 times... during the FIRST attempted call. I left the apartment for the rest of the day to get the hell out and away from her calls. The next week, she appeared outside my class and gave a note to a classmate that I occasionally partied with. I won't get into the specifics of the note, but it was evidence that her possessiveness was WAY past what I had thought. Later that same week, I was about to get off at my bus stop near my apartment and I saw her WAITING THERE! I hid down in my seat, got off at the next block and stealthily made my way home. I was finally able to break it off after she sent me back my shades to my place of work on a Sunday morning in a box. My coworkers (who knew of this chick) thought it may have been a bomb, so I went into the manager's office to open it. Much to my relief, it was only my shades and a note "dumping" me. My experience with the Greek Tragedy....

[Rock Dog]

It's always a major warning sign for me when a woman complains about the guys from her previous relationships. For one thing, it shows a lot of negativity on her part. For another, it says she'll probably be complaining about ME to the next guy who comes along.

Not my kind of scene.

Rock

[Chocha Monger]

You're lucky that chick didn't boil your cat! At least she returned your shades and in one piece to boot. I had an encounter with a psycho chick in college, she dropped out of school to dedicate more time to stalking me. My room mates would always forget to lock the front door and one day she got into my room and tore every textbook she could get her little psycho hands on, then she proceeded to take a scissors to my closet full of clothes.

I knew it was a bad sign when she started to cry after I fucked her the first time. She said that she was crying because I was going to leave her now that I got what I wanted. At that point it was obvious that she had been fucked and chucked many times, and it wouldn't take me long after that to find out why.

[Sinanju Master]

Chocha Monger, the Irish chick with whom I had a long-distance relationship a few years ago also cried after the first fuck! Hm... After we broke up, she told me point blank that she had thoughts of stabbing me in my sleep if I ever visited her and slept in her bed or the guest bed.

[Rock Dog]

Hee hee....

Maybe you two were doing the same girl! :D

Rock

[Bart9000]

for a moment, let me bring up something that occurred to me about "drama'. 12 years ago, I got arrested for DUI, and consequently, overnight dropped my wild psycho drunken idiot type behavior, and stopped jumping up and down on the edge, because I knew that another fall in would have lifetime consequences (the DUI on record cost me a really nice job at a major bank like 7 years afterwards-a second alcohol offence is frequently construed as definite confirmation of a drinking problem).

So overnight, I stopped being an (exciting and dramatic) drunken wildman, and started working very hard at doing the things that should result in a successful life, like finishing college, working hard..... Interestingly however, despite the fact that I was doing things that generally result in success, my supply of poon dried up like a teardrop in the desert.

[Chocha Monger]

RD:

Negative. My little American psycho was from New York and was of Italian descent not Irish.

Bart:

You fucked up big time! If you want to score AW pussy quit your job and become a street pharmacist. Contrary to popular belief crack hoes are not the only ones who need medication. Lots of young attractive AW need a fix every now and then to make up for the lack of excitement in their lives. Just let them know that in order to get their prescription filled at the "discount" price they have to give you some pussy as a sign of good faith that they're not LE. As an added benefit you get to hang out in the popular night clubs where you clients burn off the therapuetic effects of their prescriptions.

Even Shakespeare was aware of the reason why men marry.

Countess: Tell me the reason why wilt thou marry.
Clown: My poor body, madam, requires it; I am driven on
by the flesh, and he must needs go that the devil drives.
All's Well that Ends Well 1.3.27-30

[Bart9000]

My current GF is from Japan. Growing up the only child in a well to do family, she wanted for nothing materially. Nice house, exclusive private schools. Is she spoiled? Not by a longshot. She readily cooks, cleans, loves to fuck frequently with great enthusiasm, is humble, affectionate, generous, grateful, and enjoys the simple things of life. Doesn't care that I don't have a huge garish house in the suburbs or drive a monster size SUV. She works hard at her job and doesn't expect me to support her or shower her with expensive gifts. She takes great pains to not be a burden on me. She's well-traveled and worldly, so I don't anticipate her changing radically after ten years in the US.

Every AW I've ever known with the same privileged background as she has been fat, demanding, and obsessed with collecting material status symbols. Sex to those princesses was a necessary chore in order to hook me into their BS. I've been dumped three times by AW's because I didn't make enough money. Never again! So true what others here say: they do it because we let them get away with it. American guys who believe this is as good as it gets are truly pitiful, and need to wake up & travel outside of Sex Prison USA.

Yogin,

Thank you for bringing this up. It supports something I generally maintain, which is that although "imports" do get Americanized, in some/many cases you are still better off than if you had a domestic model. With an import, I believe that you at least have a fighting chance, as they were not raised (during the all important formative years) under the condition of men as a homogenous and easily replaceable asset, and having the ability to access most anything they want simply by virture of having a vagina.

B9K

PS For information and commentary (by me-OK so I'm an egotist) on the new "mail order bride" law:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=439675#post439675

[OwnaFord1994]

Have you AMs thought of this? Some girls cannot get decent dates in their country just as you AMs, and have to go abroad.

Nordic women here in Europe is a good example. Nobody in Europe having a blonde hair blue eyes good looking Nordic girl friend will be too proud of it. There must be some catches one way or the other.

Japan is another. It's more economically advanced than many European countries, what do you expect?

Japanese men are spoiled by their sex industry and custom. But for girl friends and wives they have to be pretty and traditional.

So a spoiled rich girl is likely to be too sexually active for their own men to take seriously. Especially if they aren't that great looking, their only chance is abroad.

I know this Japanese girl, who is highly educated, in not so demanding courses, very typical. They just enjoy the time hanging abroad rather than going home. She hooked up with a married Asian men, who left his family back home while persuading advanced studies. She told us this. Since he is rather poor, they travel on budgets. Once a buddy of his shared a twin bedroom motel with the couple. They made love. The buddy was aroused. He asked to have sex with the girl. He agreed and she agreed. So the two guys swap beds.

When the guy went home to his family, the Japanese girl met a Canadian. She got him within a few months, and followed him back to Canada as his wife. He thinks she's a highly educated traditional Japanese girl who cooks and is submissive to his husband's sexual desires. But she's much more.

[Bart9000]

James,

Get back in your troll hole where you belong. The grown ups are talking.

B9k

[Rock Dog]

Actually no, keep it up.... that way you can [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off Jackson and get booted off the entire site for good.

Most of us would be OK with that. Either way, you're going to stop soon.

Rock

[Rock Dog]

Poor Jessica Simpson!

Looks like she never signed a prenup. Seems like, when her and dreamboy Nick first got married, she was making a lot less than him. So, on her DAD'S advice, she never bothered with the prenup.

It turns out that her career, and earnings, skyrocketed after they got married. Now, dreamboy Nick is suing for spousal support. HAH! From Jessica... and I quote "It's so unfair!"

Well, well, well, too fucking bad for you...... sez I. Now you know how we all feel when you women try the same shit on us. The only thing that pisses me off more, is that her ass-mook of a father was obviously aiming to take Nick for a ride by opting out of the prenup. My guess is he thought Lachey's earnnings would continue to be higher and that, when the marriage went south..... they'd be going after HIS money.

Rock says........ fuck 'em both!

[Chocha Monger]

Rock,

That is very funny. I think Jessica and her dad's little scheme did not work out as anticipated. In her divorce papers she indicated that she did not wish to pay alimony. I bet if Nick was earning more than she did she would demanding alimony. It just goes to show that American women bray about "equality" but what they really want is preferential treatment. They talk a good talk about equality until it is inconvenient for them to make good on it. This is not unlike situations where they earn more than their date but still insist that he pay for their meal.

Anyway, under California law it looks like little Jessica can foam at the mouth, but she will have to pay up 50% to pretty boy Nick. Now, that is a marriage to an AW that is worth every penny. I hope American women sit up and take notice.