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The thing that burns my ass, is that it was dear old dad's plan from the beginning. True, things didn't go the way he planned, but still.....it's bad enough when WOMEN do it. Here we have a MAN planning things so that ANOTHER man will get screwed out of his money once the marriage is over.
So things took an unexpected turn, and it looks like the woman's side of the family will have to ante up. Good! I hope they get fucked hard and deep (financially speaking). Jessica Simpson's dad is the worst scum alive and I hope he cries himself to sleep every night over the money they will lose in court.
Rock
Chocha Monger
03-08-06, 03:13
Good point Rock, Jessica's pappy was the master mind behind the plan to screw Nick. I'm sure he was having wet dreams about the piles of money he had hoped to get when his little American princess eventually divorced Lachey. It turned out to be a grave miscalculation on his part!
Most American men, unlike American women, show very little loyalty to their own sex. I can sit here and give countless examples of buddies screwing each other over a piece of pussy, but I'm sure that each of you have your own story to tell. Because of this there is no hope of men ever being able to present a united front against AW's increasing bullshit. Males will often help females screw over another male if they can benefit from it financially or otherwise.
Pappy Simpson, a typical American dad, expected his little sex-pot to marry Prince Charming and take half of the royal treasury. However, in a typical fairy-tale ending his greed got the better of him.
OwnaFord1994
03-08-06, 09:28
That is very funny. ... In her divorce papers she indicated that she did not wish to pay alimony. ... It just goes to show that American women bray about "equality" So in you divorce papers, you wish to pay alimony?
Had dinner at parents house over the weekend.
Mother informs me that freakishly tall, pudgy funny looking kid from down the street just got married to a pretty girl he met on match.com.
Match.com of course is now the "magic bullet", because they match you up to your perfect partner. Match.com must be wonderful, because it found a pretty girl for funny looking kid down the street (I'm sure the fact that he makes over 6 figures playing lawyer has absolutely nothing to do with it).
I then provided a reality check, explaining about match.com being sued for employing people to string along paying members in order to keep up their subscriptions, also fake profiles (Mom's response "You mean you have to pay to use match.com?" ) I didn't get the chance to get into most every girl that is above a 4/10 has at any given time 10-15 guys in her life that would like to meet her, date her, fuck her, and maybe eventually marry her. This leaves mostly fuglo's, weirdo's, crazies....for the internet.
Then I hear "Well I can get one of my friends from church to set you up....". At this point, I hit the ceiling. A set up is just as bad, or even worse than the fucking internet....probably worse I think as you have to bear it gracefully as someone in your life shoves a 300 pound whale at you (sight unseen) in the hopes that you the "nice guy" will marry the pathetic thing.
At this point, I informed Mother that when I get Goddamn good and ready (in other words start to make money) I will go and get a nice girl from Eastern Europe.
Mother then informs me that I haven't given American girls "a chance"-I guess 1984 to more or less the present wasn't enough.
I then recited the litany-American Women bring:
A 60% chance of divorce (and financial ruin for the man)
A 30-40% chance of female infidelity (my personal guesstimate-I extrapolate it from the following, which is documented)
A 10-15% chance of delivering a child that is not biologically yours.
At this point, Father begins screaming at us to shut the fuck up, and having flashbacks to when he was bigger than I am, I complied, before getting into greedy, materialistic, domineering, using sex as a weapon (OK I probably wouldn't have brought that up to Mom), having their cake and eating it too.....
Overall-not fun.
My parting action was trying to teach Mother how to say in Russian: "Tell me please, where is Red Square?". The look on her face when a string of Russian came out of my mouth was priceless. In other words: YES I'm serious about what I am saying
B9K
Doctor_Skank
03-08-06, 09:49
B9K:
I warn you, if you do go after EE girls you will become addicted and it is incurable... so be careful!
BTW: Russian-language dating sites in EE are great, they are full of real girls with real pictures and no issues... and although there are pros on the dating sites too, they openly advertise their intentions. Talk about having your cake and eating it too, yumm yumm!
CBGBConnisur
03-08-06, 23:06
If you want a good woman stay away from the vast majority of rich Western countries, other than a few places like Italy, Spain, Germany, and some parts of Australia, most Western women are cunts.
1) A set up is just as bad as you have to bear it gracefully as someone in your life shoves a 300 pound whale at you (sight unseen) in the hopes that you the "nice guy" will marry the pathetic thing.
2 )A 60% chance of divorce (and financial ruin for the man)
A 30-40% chance of female infidelity (my personal guesstimate-I extrapolate it from the following, which is documented)
A 10-15% chance of delivering a child that is not biologically yours.
1) A few months back my father's secretary tried to hook me up with another girl from the office. She's mid-30's and maybe 150+ pounds, and about a 4/10. I'm sure she's nice, but I said thanks but no thanks.
2) In another lifetime I worked helping people recover from bad credit. One of my customers was a really nice guy whose wife had repeatedly cheated on him and then divorced him, taking away the children and destroying his credit. When he had the blood tests done on his 5 kids to determine paternity 3 of them were from other guys.
I don't really have anything against American women, but these situations tend to be the rule nowadays rather than the exception.
The following is an article taken from Fred Reed's (excellent) website. I've edited it quite a bit, in order to shorten things as much as possible while retaining the good parts.
Here it is:
Maureen Dowd is the resentment columnist for the New York Times. She serves as newsprint megaphone for the angry, selfish, wretchedly unhappy career woman who can’t understand why she is living alone in an apartment with two cats.
In a recent column, headed "Men Just Want Mommy," Maureen tells us, “A few years ago at a White House Correspondents' dinner, I met a very beautiful actress. Within moments, she blurted out: ‘I can't believe I'm 46 and not married. Men only want to marry their personal assistants or P.R. women.’"
Here we have the eternal cry of the unhappy feminist: “The whole world can’t stand me. What’s wrong with the whole world?” If men don’t want to marry a self-absorbed menopausing ocelot, there is something wrong with men.
Maureen continues observantly, “I'd been noticing a trend along these lines, as famous and powerful men took up with the young women whose job it was to tend to them and care for them in some way: their secretaries, assistants, nannies, caterers, flight attendants, researchers and fact-checkers.” Men want to marry Mommy, she implies.
Actually, what men very much do NOT want, is to marry Mommy. The problem for Maureen is that she is Mommy: censorious, moralizing, self-pitying, endlessly instructive, and so achingly tedious that men find themselves thinking of moldy bath sponges. I have never seen her and don’t know how old she is. She may be twenty-three, radiantly gorgeous, and have seven husbands. She writes as if she were fifty, a tad overweight and, having grossly overestimated her value in the meat market, missed the train Since nothing can be her fault, that leaves men.
Now, why might a man want to date his secretary instead of some vile old pit-viperess of a lawyer, forever coiled to strike? To start with, twenty-five is more appealing than fifty. Sorry, but there it is. Second, secretaries usually lack the misandry, vanity, and abrasiveness of the viperess. Third, the secretary is likely to be lots more fun. You don’t have to spend time comparing penises with her. She won’t always be looking for discrimination, like a chicken clucking after bugs in a barnyard. You won’t get the throwaway snotty remarks about men.
I can’t imagine doing a fast double-step jitterbug in a dirt bar in Austin with a warlike partner from Dewey, Cheatham, and Howe—you know, Little Richard shrieking Long Tall Sally, skirts flying in the twirls. A secretary is likely to think it is a hell of a good idea.
Maureen pretty much answers the question of why women like her stay single. In another column she says, “When I asked a 28-year-old friend how he and his lawyer-girlfriend were going to divide the costs on a California vacation, he looked askance. ‘She never offers,’ he replied. ‘And I like paying for her.’”
Maureen knows lots of these. “Carrie, a publicist in her late 20's from Long Island, is not unwilling to dig into her Kate Spade bag. ‘He can get the jewelry, the dinners, the shoes and the vacations,’ she says. ‘I'll get the cab.’"
Who would marry that? Carrie is a parasite, like a screw-fly larva. You could find better leaning against a lamppost. Honest prostitution is preferable to dissimulated.
Maureen’s women are forever nattering about sexual equality. Maureen, speaking of some movie: “Art is imitating life, turning women who seek equality into selfish narcissists and objects of rejection, rather than affection.” Actually art isn’t doing anything. A woman who wants a man to pay her bills is already a selfish narcissist.
So little of what Maureen says tracks with the world I know. She thinks men don’t like smart women. I know a lot of bright guys, and they all look for bright women. They just want agreeable bright women.
Thing is, the times have changed. The age-old bargain was that women exchanged sex for whatever they wanted, and men exchanged whatever they had for sex. Part of the deal was that the woman would be reasonably agreeable. A career woman today, being independent, no longer has to be agreeable, and frequently isn’t. On the other hand, a man doesn’t have to commit himself to anything to get sex. So the man dates his secretary, and the career woman sits in her apartment with the cats.
It goes without saying that Maureen Dowd represents what a lot of women are like these days. Selfish, bitter, ugly inside and out, unhappy with everybody, everything including themselves. Cunts!
That's a word that needs to get used more often.
Rock
Sinanju Master
03-09-06, 03:28
RD, that article hit the target right on the money with more accuracy than an errorless gyroscope-guided missile!!
Since one can't "add" to perfection, I won't even TRY. That article is the point I have been trying to get across to my (and OUR) detractors since the inception of this subject. If the detractors STILL defend AW's so vociferously after having read that, then THEY are the ones who need to re-examine things.
If you want a good woman stay away from the vast majority of rich Western countries, other than a few places like Italy, Spain, Germany, and some parts of Australia, most Western women are cunts.What about Israeli girls?
Chocha Monger
03-09-06, 08:10
Yanni arrested on domestic battery charge in Manalapan
By Andrew Marra
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Monday, March 06, 2006
Music superstar Yanni was arrested at his Manalapan home early Friday morning after his girlfriend accused him of slapping and shaking her during a late-night argument.
The international New Age icon spent 12 hours at the Palm Beach County Jail before being released Friday afternoon. He did not have to post bond, but he is barred from contact with his girlfriend and is required to check in daily with court workers.
Manalapan police were called to the oceanfront home of the 51-year-old musician -- whose legal name is John Y. Christopher -- late Thursday after his girlfriend called 911 from a locked bathroom, according to a police report.
The girlfriend, Silvia Barthes, 33, told police that Yanni threw her clothes from the closet and ordered her to move out of his house, a $7.7 million property on South Ocean Boulevard.
Barthes, who could not be reached for comment, told police that Yanni grabbed her forearms and shook her, then threw her onto a bed. She said he also slapped her, according to the report. Yanni admitted they argued but said he only grabbed her arms after she kicked him in the groin, police said. He said he hurt his left middle finger during the confrontation but denied striking her.
When police arrived, they say Barthes' lip was swollen and bloody. She told an officer she thought she may have struck her own lip while Yanni shook her.
Police arrested Yanni on a charge of domestic battery, a first-degree misdemeanor.
Yanni's lawyer, Orlando Gonzalez, denied that the musician ever hit or harmed Barthes. He accused Barthes of fabricating the story to damage Yanni's reputation.
"He absolutely is not guilty and did not strike that woman," Gonzalez said, adding that "the last thing this man would want to do is hurt his hands."
Gonzalez said the encounter was witnessed by some of Yanni's home staff, and that they could dispute Barthes' account. He declined to provide details.
The state attorney's office will review the case and determine whether to file any charges against Yanni, an agency spokesman said.
Yanni had been dating Barthes exclusively for 1 1/2 years, and she had been living with him in Manalapan since December, according to Barthes' account to police.
She told police the couple went out to dinner Thursday night, and that Yanni asked her during the meal to move out.
Yanni, a flamboyant Greek-born keyboardist known for his meditative instrumental compositions, has sold millions of New Age albums worldwide. He achieved international fame during the 1990s and has performed concerts at the Acropolis in Greece, the Taj Majal in India and China's Forbidden City.
If you want a good woman stay away from the vast majority of rich Western countries, other than a few places like Italy, Spain, Germany, and some parts of Australia, most Western women are cunts.
If Italian women are so good why do Italian men behave as they are the most desperate sops in the world? Ever seen an Italian man in Bucharest or Moldova? It's depressing. These guys will wine, dine, and shower a STREET ***** with gifts. My Moldovan girl has some pasta eater sending her hundreds of euros each month and he has NEVER even seen her in person. When he came to Chisinau to meet her last week she was off with me in Brasov. Woops. I felt bad for Bonito and told her to go back and at least meet him. She refused. (If another man wants to buy my lady dinner cool, as long as nothing else occurs) Now for the really fucked up part: She received another 700 bucks from him via WU yesterday. Maybe the guy had something else lined up in Moldova, but to continue to woe a woman after she shits on your face is evidence of something really wrong. The guy isn't even rich; he’s a cameraman.
Italian women have to be notably more fucked up than many of you guys think AW are. If those cocksuckers could speak English, we should rename this thread the AW and IW thread and listen to them ***** as well.
Doctor_Skank
03-09-06, 13:43
dirkdingy:
i know quite a few italian guys whom i have met in russia and ukraine, and get along with them really well.. generally great guys... and they have told me the source of the problem is italian women, who might look nice until they are 25, but treat their men like shit. basically the guys told me its next to impossible to get laid in italy and that the women expect "romance, romance, romance" meaning gifts, dinner and a long courtship before anything happens and when something does happen, its a prelude to that "man trap" called marriage.
instead of finding freedom in ee however, many of them take this archaic and wasteful courtship process and apply it in ee too, especially the older italian gentlemen enjoy this. they will claim its their romantic nature, but don't realize that most ee women think they are chumps and the nature of the ee women is to "take take take" if someone is giving so readily. and as dirkdingy said, often its not rich italian guys doing this but rather guys who have to save up their cash just to through it out the window on blonde girls. it really is kind of a running joke among ee girls. obviously you cant respect a guy like that, at least not if you have an ee girl's mentality.
italians are the horniest guys in the world judging by their presence in ee... they are everywhere. and everywhere they've went they've ruined market prices and "complicated" freebie relations... odessa is the same as chisinau in that respect. i posted on it earlier in the odessan forum, but i met some girls who told me the same thing, italian guys were sending them hundreds and sometimes thousands of euros... and many of the guys werent even getting sex, and they certainly didnt have any exclusive rights over the girls. that $150 fancy underwear that francesco bought for his blonde princess was being peeled off by somebody else before he even got the bill on his credit card statement. now that's romantic.
like i said, i do get along with italian guys just fine, but just like i feel sorry for my poor american brothers in sex prison usa, i feel sorry for a lot of the italian guys making fools out of themselves in ee.
Sinanju Master
03-09-06, 17:23
Doc, first of all, thanx for steering me away from IW's. My (antiquated) past visions of bedding a hot-blooded Sophia Loren lookalike are obviously misplaced.
My bud whom I posted about a while back (the guy who was hubby #3 when he thought he was hubby #2, had (and probably still HAS) a thing for IW's. Basically, it was the only type of women he claimed he wanted to go after. Poor schmoe....
Doctor_Skank
03-09-06, 19:19
SM:
Could very well be that foreigners have better chances with IWs than the local boys... after all, IWs know that the foreign guys aren't marriage potential and they only thing they want is sex. Then again, I wouldn't know. But I do know the frustration of many Italian men is real, they were almost crying about it.
I am definitely no expert on IWs though, my experience being based on very cliquish and difficult to approach super hot younger girls... which I obviously didnt get far with, and a few FKK Italians whose quality and performance ranged from absolutely atrocious (hated her job) to smokin' hot and unforgettable.. blonde Italian from Sardinia.
If dark-haired girls are his type, maybe he should look to Slovakia or Romania. I personally really like dark-haired girls, so I understand your passion, even though Sophia Loren is a bit too much woman for me... :)
On the other hand doc I met a really hot gymastics coach some years back and she blew my mind away literally. She was married but invited me to come and stay at her home in Cuneo I think it was. " What about your man" I asked to which she replied; "I decide what happens in my house". I thought she was a little off the wall to say the least, as she also claimed to be a facist.
To cut a long story short I never did visit her in Cuneo and apart from the little tryst that we had, I never saw her again. Her flaming hot body, though, is permanently etched on my mind.
Attached is a picture of what her attributes were like (not my photo), I kid you not.She was an ex-gymnast as well which I can only assume gave her that kind of bod.
Cheers
OwnaFord1994
03-09-06, 20:57
I heard you guys loud and clear - CBGB is once again discredited big time. However you got to understand that you can use one counter example to discredit a theory or generalization, but you cannot use your few personal experiences to arrive at your conclusion.
I think this forum is the biggest public display of dirty laundry in American history. I have no interest in defending AW but I think one of the commandments is that the accused have the right to face the accuser. Bart did the right thing for a good start. So far I have gathered:
living with mother
thinning hair
beer belly
under employed
broke
fled overseas
flipping burger in Iowa
Come on guys, any more dirty laundry?
...do pathetic internet trolls fit into your scheme of things.
I thought I told you to get back in your troll hole.
And the non-sensical babbling begins.
You know you want to do it...c'mon. Here, I'll get you started.
The Asian girl third of the blue sky had sisters, never married. Her choice of prostitute was in part with not enough penis to go around, an obtaining of social prominence. She had been thinking to college, but then to walk on the street finding much fortune the condom, tickling the scrotum.
TBC
Oh by the way, I am putting you on ignore again.
B9K
This message is hidden because ownaford1994 is on your ignore list.
Sinanju Master
03-10-06, 02:29
I've seen BETTER investigative work done by Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys... and they weren't even fully adult!
Oh (whatever higher power I believe in),
Please allow me to give thanks, for although my life may not be everything that I wish of it, I have much more important, fulfilling, and potentially rewarding things to do than to spend 24 HOURS A DAY being a pathetic, making up multiple false ID's so I can role play each one, troll, pain in the ass, on the international sex guide.
B9K
Sinanju Master
03-10-06, 03:22
... you should also give thanks to that Higher Power that said troll seems to make you the center of his universe! After all, didn't Norm and Cliff from Cheers (BOTH of whom had NO LIFE WHATSOEVER) live out their lives VICARIOUSLY through Sam?
Chocha Monger
03-10-06, 05:05
Bart & Sinanju:
Perhaps we should have some pity on him and ask Jackson to create a thread for sexually frustrated trolls. Oh wait, such a thread already exists. It's called James D 2004's Opinions! :D
CBGBConnisur
03-10-06, 08:40
If Italian women are so good why do Italian men behave as they are the most desperate sops in the world? Ever seen an Italian man in Bucharest or Moldova? It's depressing. These guys will wine, dine, and shower a STREET ***** with gifts. My Moldovan girl has some pasta eater sending her hundreds of euros each month and he has NEVER even seen her in person. When he came to Chisinau to meet her last week she was off with me in Brasov. Woops. I felt bad for Bonito and told her to go back and at least meet him. She refused. (If another man wants to buy my lady dinner cool, as long as nothing else occurs) Now for the really fucked up part: She received another 700 bucks from him via WU yesterday. Maybe the guy had something else lined up in Moldova, but to continue to woe a woman after she shits on your face is evidence of something really wrong. The guy isn't even rich; he’s a cameraman.
Italian women have to be notably more fucked up than many of you guys think AW are. If those cocksuckers could speak English, we should rename this thread the AW and IW thread and listen to them ***** as well.
Actually its the low socioeconomic Italians in places like Australia and Germany that are quite good. An excellent example of a fine Italian woman was one I met in an FKK in Germany, forgot her name, she's probably drugged out by now, oh well. I also noticed that some of the best women i have met in different countries were prostitutes.
CBGBConnisur
03-10-06, 08:45
I heard you guys loud and clear - CBGB is once again discredited big time. However you got to understand that you can use one counter example to discredit a theory or generalization, but you cannot use your few personal experiences to arrive at your conclusion.
I think this forum is the biggest public display of dirty laundry in American history. I have no interest in defending AW but I think one of the commandments is that the accused have the right to face the accuser. Bart did the right thing for a good start. So far I have gathered:
living with mother
thinning hair
beer belly
under employed
broke
fled overseas
flipping burger in Iowa
Come on guys, any more dirty laundry?
Sorry prick but if you think British women are good you are a fucking retard. I am not unemployed, nor do I live with mother. I would say I am hardly broke and am quite well educated. However UK and US women are shit, so are most women in English speaking parts of Canada. Anyway I couldn't give a fuck about you, you sound like some buttfucking AIDS infected faggot from San
Francisco.
OwnaFord1994
03-10-06, 09:23
I also noticed that some of the best women i have met in different countries were prostitutes.Are you James too?
Sin Master, that's not investigative work. That's showing your own dirty laundry in public. I merely lumped what people confessed into a single list.
CBGB's catagory is broke and then fled overseas.
Poupli_Kid
03-10-06, 14:54
Are you James too?
Sin Master, that's not investigative work. That's showing your own dirty laundry in public. I merely lumped what people confessed into a single list.
CBGB's catagory is broke and then fled overseas.
ROTFLMAO!!! Still playing stupid eh dumbass?? You aren't convincing anyone. Same retarded thought process and misspellings. Go ahead, threaten everyone here with the Christmas Tree Gang like you did with me! HAHAHA
It is hilarious how the posters on this thread have you OWNED, yet you continue to come on here to get *****-slapped.
To everyone else on this thread, good job in getting JD booted from here but as you guys can see, retard here uses different handles. He does the same thing over on USG on the SoCal boards. He is a real pathetic piece of shit.
Well, finally I’m in Moscow. I’ve done all my business on Wednesday and just decided to relax on Thursday and Friday (thanx god my wife stayed at home). So I spent about 20 minutes of my priceless time to find girl for myself:
http://fate.com.ua/page/fotacom (real pics!!!)
Guys, I have to say that cold weather doesn’t affect the Russian women. These young lady were as hot as fire. This couple cost me 350$ for a night, but girl worked every cent. I recommend.
My most recent inclination was that "James" is in real life a 400 pound bitter crippled lesbian, living in her mother's basement. Then I realized that this is certainly a person who has never in life actually seen a vagina.
So the question remains. What is "James"? The clue we have to go on is that he obviously has no committments, or responsibility, and therefore no job, or social life.
He also obviously has no money, as with money one is able to purchase much higher level forms of entertainment than being an internet troll.
As Dirk pointed out a while back, he obviously lacks any kind of perspective. This indicates that he has never ever lived any kind of real life.
I'm kind of inclined to think that he is some kind of a shut in, possibly physically and mentally impaired, living off of a relative, or a some kind of a meager government check
B9k
DJ FourMoney
03-10-06, 19:04
Well, finally I’m in Moscow. I’ve done all my business on Wednesday and just decided to relax on Thursday and Friday (thanx god my wife stayed at home). So I spent about 20 minutes of my priceless time to find girl for myself:
http://fate.com.ua/page/fotacom (real pics!!!)
Guys, I have to say that cold weather doesn’t affect the Russian women. These young lady were as hot as fire. This couple cost me 350$ for a night, but girl worked every cent. I recommend.
Isn't this in the WRONG place?
last time when we were beating up on dumbshit, a "clueless guy" showed up out of nowhere and "filed" an off topic report about hookers in Vegas like 15 years ago.
Hmmmmm
I took it upon myself to do a little checking. Our little troll friend has been posting away like crazy.... that is, until he got booted out of this forum. All of a sudden, here comes troll 2.0. Suddenly posting after being completely dormant for a year and a half.
Troll 2.0 used to post mostly in the London forum. Favorite topic..... you guessed it, prostitution. Even in that forum, he was taking some flak as to the legitimacy of his reports.
My guess is that our troll friend originated in asia.... possibly Hong Kong. Went over to the UK as a student, because it was easier for him to get in since HK was a former British colony. Education finished, he's over to the USA and begins posting as JD2004. Just some guesswork mind you..... it may very well be that 100% of his postings are 100% B.S.
I still say he's more of a talker than a doer.
Rock
Doctor_Skank
03-10-06, 21:53
RD:
Sounds like a Honkie Asian to me, they are full of hangups. Their moods range from feelings of utter inferiority to boundless superiority. Most of all though, they are extremely frustrated sexually. Then again, I really don't care where he is from. I'd feel sorry for him if he wasnt so annoying and boringly repetitive. I say ignore him. If he writes or someone wants to chat with him, let him do it in his own provate James D 2004 forum. This is the last comment I will ever make on that guy.
There is a darling (I hate to sound gay, but it fits), completely guileless little jailbait girl at my job.
I was teasing her, basically treating her like my bratty little sister, when a 300 pound whale co-worker, interceded, with "YOU ARE WAY TOO OLD FOR HER".
Could it possibly be that we are just a hair jealous of the pretty little thing getting male attention?
Sadly, I'm getting to watch the older bitches indoctrinate her, encouraging her to out on dates with any guy she asks, because "it's a free meal.
B9K
Chocha Monger
03-12-06, 15:52
I have noticed that terrestrial whales and old hags consider themselves to be self-appointed advisors to young attractive women. The advice that they freely dispense is little more than things they long to do to men, if only they had the looks and the attractiveness to get a man interested in them. Since they can't attract men they grow bitter and seek to use more attractive women as the instrument of their vengeance.
If this young woman follows the advice of these women and dates every guy that offers a "free meal" she will run into some problems. There are guys out there who are real pros at playing that kind of woman. They dress sharp, drive nice cars, and hold high paying jobs. A guy like that would not bat an eyelash when the little darling orders up the fillet mignon and lobster. In fact, he would encourage her to wash it down with some expensive wine or champagne. Giddy from the expensive meal and liquor, she can't help but let Mr. Charming fuck the shit out of her. When her phone calls are not returned and she runs crying to her advisors they will be more than happy to chant the mantra that all men are dogs. Of course, there was nothing wrong with her trying to take advantage of the guy except that she had the tables turned on her.
The blubberpork co-worker was motivated by 100% pure jealousy. Not only that, but she displayed some classic female behavior...... if the guys are passing you up, try and spoil their game.
It's funny, because you weren't even really going for it. But just the thought that you might be getting somewhere was enough to spur that porculent biatch into action.
Women do this all the time. It works especially well in closed environments like work and school. I've had it done to me enough times.
Way too old for her? Whatever, by North American standards anything more than a four or five year gap and they consider you to be "an older man".
Rock
I notice the same thing from fat gross women they gain a certain status within the female community as a no nonsense chick(due to no luck with guys) and they grow testicles and become a self proclaimed lioness of the jungle.Women really dig these women because they defy the fragile female ego that is wrongfully represented and believed in our culture.I see lipstick lesbians fall for the brut female totally for insecurity reasons.
I think if you live by the game then you also die by the game and those who dont play the game are left out.
My sister is in a divorce as we speak but in her situation he is taking her to the cleaners.I'm sure your all happy with that as I would be too but she doesn't understand that her husband earned that right.He played the game he toughed it out through college dealt with his mother in law etc.He did everything he was supposed to do therefore for all his efforts he gets rewarded.Men and woman who live by these rules destroy each other and they dont seem to realize it because they've never gone through soul searching how guys like us have.They just dont see it.
i've also noticed the syndrome of the fugly whale gaining status among "the girls" by being evil, abusive, and obnoxious to men. as a guy, this really sucks because as this individual is at least nominally female (at least a couple of layers of blubber down) you are societally prohibitited against really doing much about it. i did actually tell a boss once that if a girl opens her mouth at me one more time, they are going to find her in the corner sobbing because i'm going to unload both barrels at her-in that situation, there was plenty to work with (skanky, fat, ugly, trailer trash...)
the ageism thing. per our culture, theoretically speaking, i shouldn't at almost 35 date someone who is just out of high school, or perhaps 18 and still in. my question is "why?". i know we aren't supposed to ask and just blindly obey but.....
because i want to fuck her perhaps? yes, this is true, but then so does little jimmy. however, a diffference is that should there be an "accident", i have the financial wherewithal to handle it, in one manner or the other. along a similar thought process, there is a much higher chance of finding a box of condoms next to my bed in my safe comfortable apartment, than there is in the back of little jimmy's car.
perhaps because i'm "slick", "smooth" etc, and easily able to take advantage of the poor naive girl. well, me personally, not so much, but there may be a bit of validity to this one, although i'm inclined to call having these attributes more a function of birth than a function of age.
a countervailing thought however. i had a "little thing" (we ended up going out once-it didn't go anywhere)a couple of years ago (i was probably 29-30) with a pretty 18 year old girl. i actually know most of her family, and there was a bit of disaproval (her mother was perhaps only 5-6 years older than i was at the time) around about said "little thing" and i was gearing up to make a point to them.......girl had been literally almost killed in a car accident a few months before, when she was riding with a stupid boy doing stupid boy things. i was preparing to ask her mother "would you prefer girl be with my boring ass in a nice restaurant, or drunk and stupid with little jimmy when he decides do demonstrate his ignorance of physics and center of gravity in his dad's suv, or finding the maximum speed of his '88 rx-7.
b9k
DJ FourMoney
03-13-06, 06:32
our social culture is geared for women in every respect but age. women are allowed to date much younger men and nobody is bothered by it. however when a man does it, he's ( you pick one) -
immature, unintelligent, dirty old man, etc
my favorite is we don't know how to relate to women in our own age bracket. let me refer to the countless number of milf's running around in my age bracket. how about the some of those same bitter milf that have closed the baby factory due only to their mistakes concerning birth control.
that really narrows the field down when your still interested in having your own children as i am. the ideal sitsuation of course is to marry a childless woman that's able to have children of course but that isn't always possible either.
but there is such a thing as dating too young i believe. when the gap is more than 10 years, i think its harder to relate to some things and you might find things she might like to do as unacceptable when most of her friends are doing it, just like you did it when you were her age.
the only refreshing quality about really young girls honest is they don't know how to play the game well yet and you can use that to your advantage. of course they are "new models" with very litttle to no "wear" even if they have been sexually active at an early age. so they tend to be easy to please and eager to do it without provoking.
some of the same traits i have found in women over 40 really. what really stinks about american women is we have so many sexual hangups in this country that most women aren't fully comfortable with themselves and their bodies until they are about 40.
i know alot of women in their mid 20's and early 30's claim to be freaky, but really aren't. i have found it oh so diffcult to have say anal sex with a girl in her 20's when alot of ladies in their late 30's, early 40's barely bat an eyelash and actually love to do it.
however i don't find ladies in their late 30s all that great to look at. sure there are exceptions, but the general rule is, they look weather beaten and hard by 38 usually.
so i'm going to make full use of the fact i only look about 24-25 to most people to my advantage, especially when i go to europe in a few months. the countdown has started, passport should be here anyday now.
i've also noticed the syndrome of the fugly whale gaining status among "the girls" by being evil, abusive, and obnoxious to men. as a guy, this really sucks because as this individual is at least nominally female (at least a couple of layers of blubber down) you are societally prohibitited against really doing much about it. i did actually tell a boss once that if a girl opens her mouth at me one more time, they are going to find her in the corner sobbing because i'm going to unload both barrels at her-in that situation, there was plenty to work with (skanky, fat, ugly, trailer trash...)
the ageism thing. per our culture, theoretically speaking, i shouldn't at almost 35 date someone who is just out of high school, or perhaps 18 and still in. my question is "why?". i know we aren't supposed to ask and just blindly obey but.....
because i want to fuck her perhaps? yes, this is true, but then so does little jimmy. however, a diffference is that should there be an "accident", i have the financial wherewithal to handle it, in one manner or the other. along a similar thought process, there is a much higher chance of finding a box of condoms next to my bed in my safe comfortable apartment, than there is in the back of little jimmy's car.
perhaps because i'm "slick", "smooth" etc, and easily able to take advantage of the poor naive girl. well, me personally, not so much, but there may be a bit of validity to this one, although i'm inclined to call having these attributes more a function of birth than a function of age.
a countervailing thought however. i had a "little thing" (we ended up going out once-it didn't go anywhere)a couple of years ago (i was probably 29-30) with a pretty 18 year old girl. i actually know most of her family, and there was a bit of disaproval (her mother was perhaps only 5-6 years older than i was at the time) around about said "little thing" and i was gearing up to make a point to them.......girl had been literally almost killed in a car accident a few months before, when she was riding with a stupid boy doing stupid boy things. i was preparing to ask her mother "would you prefer girl be with my boring ass in a nice restaurant, or drunk and stupid with little jimmy when he decides do demonstrate his ignorance of physics and center of gravity in his dad's suv, or finding the maximum speed of his '88 rx-7.
b9k
Chocha Monger
03-13-06, 08:27
Foreign Brides Invade Sicily
by Marilu Romano
In Sicily, the face of the New Bride, representing a growing number of Sicily's young wives, has dark brown eyes and honey colored hair. Or dark hair with blue eyes. Typically Sicilian, she is named Anna, Valentina or Nicoletta and she's around twenty-eight years old. She has a university education and a subdued European elegance. She's stylish in a sophisticated, Italian way, boasting a slender figure that seems made for a tiny black Valentino miniskirt. She speaks flawless Italian with a slight Russian accent. Wait a second! No, that last observation was not an error. Anna, Valentina or Nicoletta (or Tatiana or Svetlana) has married an Italian man she met in eastern Europe and now makes her home in Palermo or Catania. And she is part of a virtual tidal wave of foreign women --particularly eastern Europeans-- in Italy about to radically change the balance of the sexes (genders) in Italian society, where women already constitute a slight majority (about 51%) of the population. In stark contrast, hardly any of the relatively few foreign men who marry Italian women decide to live in Italy, choosing instead to return to their home countries with their new Italian wives --a trend dating from the time of the infamous "G.I. brides" who emigrated with their American husbands immediately following the Second World War, when thousands of Sicily's young women wed Allied soldiers they met in 1943 to escape terrible poverty at home. That phenomenon deprived many Sicilian men of the opportunity to marry some of the most attractive local women. This time it's the Italian men who are reaping the harvest of desirable foreign spouses, and it has made some Italian women angry as can be. Today, nearly all of the immigrants to Italy who wed Italians and remain here are women from eastern Europe, and many are remarkably well-educated compared to their Italian sisters, and certainly compared to the typical English nanny in Sicily. One cannot generalise but certain trends can be identified. Many young Romanian women, for example, work in Italy as housekeepers, while a significant number of Czech women work in entertainment-related fields.
A growing number of Italian men seem to find these foreign women more attractive or appealing than local girls, and in many cases social factors appear to be as important as aesthetic ones. (Italy, after all, has its fair share of beautiful women.) It takes two to tango, and the trend is partially explained by the willingness of well-educated, attractive eastern European women to seek better lives in "The West." Even Sicily, with its frighteningly high level of unemployment, is preferable to some impoverished regions of the former Soviet Block. For most of the women we spoke with, Italian men themselves were not a particularly alluring attraction compared to Americans or anybody else. It just so happens that immigration into Italy, with its notoriously soft borders and lax immigration policies, is far easier than getting a visa to enter the United States or Canada. Many foreign women initially enter Italy illegally.
Some Sicilian men believe that the new immigrants are less snobbish or suspicious than women who have grown up in places like Palermo or Catania. Having experienced more serious hardships at home, they seem less materialistic, "spoiled" or superficial. At first, this sounds like simple subjective bias, but such statements could be defended based on the idea that different social norms and living conditions prevail in different places. What's clear is that the opporunity to court a more flexible, less demanding foreign woman is a powerful temptation that could leave many Sicilian women husbandless. Already there are numerous stories circulating of irate local women who have lost boyfriends, and even husbands, to attractive foreign girls. As the Czech Republic and other countries join the European Union, easier legal immigration means that even more foreign women will soon be entering Italy each year, depleting the number of eligible women in those countries while increasing the number in Italy. As employment opportunities are limited even for Italian women, it is clear that marriage one of the main reasons behind this kind of immigration, though a few Czech and Albanian women work in northern Italy as prostitutes (actually a legal profession in Italy). Immigration for marriage is hardly "balanced" when the overwhelming majority of immigrants are women.
Internet matchmaking, and the increasing knowledge of English (the world's most important language) by younger Italians, makes finding a foreign companion easier than ever. It's no longer unusual to see a local man with a Slavic woman in a trendy café or elegant restaurant off Via Libertà, Palermo's stylish, tree-lined main street. Most of the women in this foreign "invasion" are eastern Europeans, but there's also an increasing, if far less evident, presence of Scandinavian and north African women married to Sicilian men. It's almost as though these Sicilian men were rediscovering their remote Norman or Arab roots.
The influx of eastern European brides is too recent a phenomenon for any credible "scientific" conclusions to be drawn about the permanence of these marriages or their wider impact on Sicilian life. Clearly, some foreign women married (in Sicily) to Sicilians have been more fortunate than others. American women married to Sicilian men report a higher incidence of marital difficulties, many resulting in divorce. The novelty or prestige of being married to a pretty blonde foreigner (not that all foreign brides are blondes but blondness is an obsession with many Sicilian men) doesn't always translate into an enduring relationship. What's certain is that perceptions have changed since the 1850s, when Emily Lowe penned her very Victorian Unprotected Females in Sicily.
Love has no universal pattern, and it knows no geographical boundaries. But people usually have at least a general idea of what they seek, or do not seek, in their hypothetically "perfect" mate. With that in mind, we asked a few Sicilian men how, after years of dating Italian girls, they so easily fell in love with foreign ones. You may be surprised at some of their direct, if slightly opinionated, observations:
Giacomo, who lives in Palermo, is 35 years old and his marriage to Ludmilla, 27, who's from northern Russia, is his first. They're expecting their first child soon. "We met in Russia through a matchmaking service," he explains. "Milli is a dream. My mother was a little reticent when she first met her, but now they absolutely adore each other. Look, I have nothing against Italian women, but they're a strange breed, even if they say the same thing about us men. When I would give a gift to my last (Italian) girlfriend, who was with me for almost four years, it's as if it was never enough. I suppose that a diamond can always be bigger... But Maria loves me, not just what I can buy her."
Salvatore, 42, also Palermitan, is married to Maria, 32, who is from Romania. Both were divorcees, but neither had children from the earlier marriage. "We got married in the Orthodox church. Initially, it was a new experience to be involved with a woman who considers spirituality important, because among 'sophisticated' Italian girls that kind of thing really doesn't exist today. But the Romanians appreciate freedom of worship because they were deprived of it for so long. I was surprised at how family oriented and traditional Maria is. Much moreso than most Italian girls. The Romanian language is a Latin tongue, and Maria already spoke Italian well when we met. In fact, she had lived in Italy for three years. She wasn't a 'mail-order' bride. It took me a long time, but I've finally found the love of my life!"
Stefano, 34, lives in Catania and is engaged to Larissa, 30, who's Russian. He had these strong (and uncensored) remarks about Italian attitudes: "It's very unfortunate that many Italian women view the Russian girls as opportunists or prostitutes. It's plain envy. The typical Sicilian girl doesn't know how to compete against a woman from a different culture. A lot of Sicilian girls I've met over the years play it coy and demure at home but will do almost anything with any foreign man when they're outside Italy. I know a pretty Sicilian tour guide in her mid thirties who has 'boyfriends' in London, Paris, New York and anyplace but Sicily. She actually hates Sicilian men, and considers us all 'pigs,' but she'd be the first person to criticise Larissa and other foreign girls who live in Italy and are happy with somebody like me. That 'holier than thou' attitude really annoys me because it seems to imply that single Sicilian women are all precious virgins while the foreigners are all worthless *****s. But Italian women often use sex or flirtation to get what they want. In Italy, even a woman being interviewed for a position as a teacher uses her nice legs and sultry smile to get the job! So the criticisms of foreign women seem hypocritical. In Russia, the role of women is a little different --in marriage but also in academic and professional life. What's important is that Larissa and I are happy with each other."
Roberto, 38, who lives outside Palermo, recently wed Sonya, now 31, who's from Belarus. "Most of my (male) friends who've met my wife envy me, not because Sonya is physically beautiful --though she certainly is-- but because she's a real person. With Sicilian women, I got tired of things like the girl who dated me three or four times before telling me she was having an affair with a married man in Catania on trial for Mafia association, and the girl who angrily accused me of being 'out of place' for sending her flowers after she had led me to think she wanted to go out with me. Then there was my longterm girlfriend, usually a really sweet girl, who got angry with me when I gave her a Christmas present --an expensive piece of jewellry-- that she didn't particularly like. That's when I began thinking about looking for romance outside Italy. Don't misunderstand me. There are good people here, but many Sicilian women are fickle or immature and it gets tiresome after twenty years. And I cannot tell you how many cheat on their husbands! I found that eastern Europe was a little different. Not necessarily better in every respect. There are cultural differences, naturally, but it's amazing how quickly my wife adapted to life in Italy."
About the Author: Marilù Romano has written for various Italian magazines. This is her first article for Best of Sicily, and it required extensive "in-the-field" research. Special thanks to the men who allowed her to interview them, and to Mira Ivanova
I hear you about the older models. I'm sure they are better in the sack, more liberated, etc, all. Some of them don't even look bad.
However, I just can't get behind the concept. Thinking long term, I don't want to bang a 50-55 year old wife when I could have a hot milf of 35 at 50. To each their own.
I was thinking about where the societal prohibition on older men/younger women came from. I'm thinking that it was backlash against the days when that was pretty much the standard (I'm a little weak in the history department...anyone else please feel free to correct me), with a pretty young daughter of 16-17 frequently married off to an established man of 30-40. Then the industrial revolution came along (again, pulling this out of my ass-feel free to correct my facts), and increased productivity allowed a young man to be paid enough to support a family.
B9K
DJ FourMoney
03-13-06, 09:27
You might be correct, with the Industrial Age came ALOT OF change in the traditional household in the US, combined with the move West from large east coast population centers.
The East Coast in general holds on to its old traditions hard, that's why alot of young easterners venture out west never to return to bitter weather and cold, closed attitudes about things like sex, interracial dating, et all.
Combine that train of thought with the Sexual Revolution and Feminist Movement and you have age lines that should never be crossed if your beyond an age group. Just like your generally looked at as some sort of failure for living with your parents, you're not allowed to mingle with women half your age, even if she's interested in you.
Only Donald Trump can get away with it, because he has enough money to bush off anything said by anybody in the media or political circles, plus his wife is hotter than yours.
Older women contact me, its not the other way around... Lonely empty nesters with College aged children from 1 or 2 previous relationships are looking to have a good time and basically do what they couldn't do when they were young and had a child hangin from each tit.
No longer interested in what people think of them, they engauge in alot of things nobody younger would even consider doing, like -
Swinging, Bi Sexuality, Anal sex, Squriting, and all the other "fun" stuff we find in Porn flicks but wish our providers or gf's did half as much, half as good.
I should also mention they give DAYUM good BBCJ's and swallowing is never an issue.
Its funny you find some of the same traits in older providers as well...
Funny, nobody mentioned how how much older GrandDad was over that "Ho" - "Feel the Burn, Biiitch" - A Pimp Named Slick Back
I hear you about the older models. I'm sure they are better in the sack, more liberated, etc, all. Some of them don't even look bad.
However, I just can't get behind the concept. Thinking long term, I don't want to bang a 50-55 year old wife when I could have a hot milf of 35 at 50. To each their own.
I was thinking about where the societal prohibition on older men/younger women came from. I'm thinking that it was backlash against the days when that was pretty much the standard (I'm a little weak in the history department...anyone else please feel free to correct me), with a pretty young daughter of 16-17 frequently married off to an established man of 30-40. Then the industrial revolution came along (again, pulling this out of my ass-feel free to correct my facts), and increased productivity allowed a young man to be paid enough to support a family.
B9K
DJ FourMoney
03-13-06, 09:41
Kinda unrelated....
But I just got this -
Thank God she realised she was making a mistake and got rid of that. Well I know the Sweedes and Dainish women and finland women like them.. I know in General Russian women will have Nothing to do with them. Thank Christ for that. Most Russian prostitutes wont fuck them. They are told by their pimps that its ok if you dont want to fuck one of them. But everything else you must. ha ha ha I dont know I guess I was raised that color folk should stick to their own this myth that they are hung, the truth is the Arabs in general are the ones that are hung.. I must admitt the color girls usually have better looking bodies. But nothing beats the Rusian women in looks. Yes there are a few Russian women that crave them (God only knows why??) But they do DARE walk down the street with one or take it home to meet Mom or Dad.. thank Christ theres still a country that has some respect (nationalism ) and pride in their own Race. To be honest theirs a lot of skin heads in Russia especially in Saint Pete.. You see I live in Canada and what really picks my ass is all them black boys think the white women want them Yes theres always some white trash that has NO respect for them selves. But in General because they are Black they think they are special. ha ha ha thank Christ every morning I wake up and the first thing I say looking in the mirror thank God I am not black
Maybe he forgot I was black?? I was kinda waiting for him to say "I hate them niggas..."
Here's the post he's talking about -
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1074
You should report that post to jackson.It's obvious the guy is an inconsiderate asshole.
The industrial revolution was part of the change. The other, major factor was, and is, education.
In a modern society, everyone needs to have a certain level of learning in order to be a useful, contributing member. That means grade 12 and hopefully some kind of further education (or vocational training) afterwards.
Guess what? That means the girl will usually be at least 20 years old before she's done with school. Otherwise, if some older guy scoops her up and they start having kids together when she's 18.... she'll be comparatively uneducated.
Also, a lot of parents and the girls themselves, want to meet a guy with good prospects. School is a good place for this to happen. We all know how much women like to keep their options open.
Plus, our society glorifies the adolescent state. It seems like everyone wants to play teenager until they're 29 and a half years old. Obviously, that wouldn't include hooking up with an older man for a long-term relationship.
Rock
I think I like your theory better than mine. "Protecting" young women against the intention of older men to turn them into a domestic slave/baby machine.
Of course these days, "domestic slavery" consists of dropping a load into the washing machine, putting dishes in the dishwasher, taking a quick spin around the living room with a vacuum cleaner, and turning up the heat....instead of scrubbing laundry in wash basin or a river, hand washing dishes, taking a dozen big rugs outside and beating them, stoking a fire, hauling in water from the well.....
And so far as "baby machine" is concerned, I personally maybe want one...like 3-5 years out. Most couples these days, assuming they aren't moronic trailer trash fucktards, have 2.
Good point about the extended adolecence.
B9K
Kinda unrelated....
But I just got this -
Maybe he forgot I was black?? I was kinda waiting for him to say "I hate them niggas..."
DJ: Can you out the guy who PMed you that racist drivel? People like that need to shamed in public.
Rubber Nursey
03-14-06, 03:36
The question needs to be asked, though: what sort of, uhhh...'research', did this racist little weasel engage in, that led him to the conclusion that Arab men have bigger dicks than black men??? :)
Rock/Bart/etc,
Don't forget that in the past, women were pretty much chattels - property to be bartered, as in 'I'll trade you that piece of land for my thirteen year old daughter'. Princesses were married off to princes of neighbouring countries to secure additional support in times of war. Young girls were even won in poker games or handed over to pay for their father's debts. Daughters were a liability; an unnecessary and unwanted expense. Why waste heard earned money feeding a daughter - who may come in handy as a bargaining tool, but will otherwise be good for nothing - when you could be fattening up your much more valuable sons? In many societies, women had no titles, no education and no money of their own. They were nothing without a man, be it their father or their husband. They had no option but to go straight from their childhood home to marriage.
These days, women have lots of different options. They have equal access to education, the law and employment opportunities. They don't NEED a man in order to function in society. And with the average life expectancy probably doubling since those days, she knows that she's got plenty of time to enjoy the single life before she needs to think about settling down and raising a family. There's also that little thing called love, that probably didn't factor too much in those earlier marriage arrangements, and with today's women being employed and so much more socially active, they probably have more opportunities to meet, and fall in love with, someone closer to their own age.
And, absolutely no offence intended, what Bart said about 'thinking long term' goes for women as well. If, in her head, an eighteen year old wants to establish her career first and doesn't plan on even considering marriage and children until she's in her mid-thirties, she's going to look at a 30 - 40 year old man and, thinking long term, realise that he could be pushing 50 or 60 by the time she's ready to settle down and start a family. There's also the fact that an older man who hasn't had children yet, might feel that time is 'running out' and perhaps put pressure on her to hurry up and give him babies, when in her mind, she has all the time in the world.
Chocha Monger
03-14-06, 04:15
Rubber Nursey,
We have a homosexual troll on the forum who is obsessed with Israeli penises. His research most likely involved being sodomized by Middle Eastern men. Also, he must have been buttfucked by numerous black guys in order for him to have any basis to make a meaningful comparison.
Anyway, this individual is in a lot of pain and is most likely at the bottom of his racial and ethnic group. Can you imagine that the only thing that he has to thank Christ for in his life each day is that he is not black? I can see him trying to argue his way into heaven based on the sole fact that he is not a "nigger", such a sight would definitely be divine comedy.
DJ FourMoney
03-14-06, 04:17
I couldn't agree more that's why alot of younger ladies in the US have shunned me. Half of them think, "yeah he prolly wants kids as soon as the ink is dry on the marrage license...". The other half thinks, what I am thinking now; why would I want to be holding an infant at 55 and have people mistaken that for being my grandchild, when its actually my son or daughter!
So I understand where they are coming from and have moved on to dating women 25 and over, who are a bit closer to the train of thought I'm looking for.
Excellent Post...
The question needs to be asked, though: what sort of, uhhh...'research', did this racist little weasel engage in, that led him to the conclusion that Arab men have bigger dicks than black men??? :)
Rock/Bart/etc,
Don't forget that in the past, women were pretty much chattels - property to be bartered, as in 'I'll trade you that piece of land for my thirteen year old daughter'. Princesses were married off to princes of neighbouring countries to secure additional support in times of war. Young girls were even won in poker games or handed over to pay for their father's debts. Daughters were a liability; an unnecessary and unwanted expense. Why waste heard earned money feeding a daughter - who may come in handy as a bargaining tool, but will otherwise be good for nothing - when you could be fattening up your much more valuable sons? In many societies, women had no titles, no education and no money of their own. They were nothing without a man, be it their father or their husband. They had no option but to go straight from their childhood home to marriage.
These days, women have lots of different options. They have equal access to education, the law and employment opportunities. They don't NEED a man in order to function in society. And with the average life expectancy probably doubling since those days, she knows that she's got plenty of time to enjoy the single life before she needs to think about settling down and raising a family. There's also that little thing called love, that probably didn't factor too much in those earlier marriage arrangements, and with today's women being employed and so much more socially active, they probably have more opportunities to meet, and fall in love with, someone closer to their own age.
And, absolutely no offence intended, what Bart said about 'thinking long term' goes for women as well. If, in her head, an eighteen year old wants to establish her career first and doesn't plan on even considering marriage and children until she's in her mid-thirties, she's going to look at a 30 - 40 year old man and, thinking long term, realise that he could be pushing 50 or 60 by the time she's ready to settle down and start a family. There's also the fact that an older man who hasn't had children yet, might feel that time is 'running out' and perhaps put pressure on her to hurry up and give him babies, when in her mind, she has all the time in the world.
DJ FourMoney
03-14-06, 04:22
When I first got that, I was like -
You can't be serious, can you???
Sorry but I don't wear the fact that I'm black on these boards TOO much, but I think its obvious if you have read anything I have said often enough, it comes out every so often...
Of course BK9 and I watch The Boondocks so there might be some confusion there too..lol
Rubber Nursey,
We have a homosexual troll on the forum who is obsessed with Israeli penises. His research most likely involved being sodomized by Middle Eastern men. Also, he must have been buttfucked by numerous black guys in order for him to have any basis to make a meaningful comparison.
Anyway, this individual is in a lot of pain and is most likely at the bottom of his racial and ethnic group. Can you imagine that the only thing that he has to thank Christ for in his life each day is that he is not black? I can see him trying to argue his way into heaven based on the sole fact that he is not a "nigger", such a sight would definitely be divine comedy.
Why hello Nursey,
It's good to have your opinon here.
Regarding your post, I hear what you are saying, and ABSOLUTELY believe that a young woman should have the right to choose whoever she wants to be with (or do anything else that she wants to so long as she doesn't believe she can "have her cake and eat it too"), as opposed to the historical treatment you quote below. I believe for example that a forced arranged marriage is more or less de facto sex slavery.
My problem however is with the societal flak I catch about MUTUALLY interested involvement with a woman who is substantially younger than I am, yet past the age of majority. I tried to examine what possible "danger" (causing society to have to protect her from me) that involvement with me exposes the girl to, relative to a younger socially acceptable suitor. I understand that some degree of backlash is reasonable given the history of the past 2000+ years, but have to assert that said backlash is now antiquated thinking due to under the worst case scenario I want to take the girl as a wife, and constrain her to child rearing, and housework while I provide family income.......the burden of which these days is perhaps 1/10th or even 1/20th of what had to be endured by modern women's "foremothers"
B9k
The question needs to be asked, though: what sort of, uhhh...'research', did this racist little weasel engage in, that led him to the conclusion that Arab men have bigger dicks than black men??? :)
Rock/Bart/etc,
Don't forget that in the past, women were pretty much chattels - property to be bartered, as in 'I'll trade you that piece of land for my thirteen year old daughter'. Princesses were married off to princes of neighbouring countries to secure additional support in times of war. Young girls were even won in poker games or handed over to pay for their father's debts. Daughters were a liability; an unnecessary and unwanted expense. Why waste heard earned money feeding a daughter - who may come in handy as a bargaining tool, but will otherwise be good for nothing - when you could be fattening up your much more valuable sons? In many societies, women had no titles, no education and no money of their own. They were nothing without a man, be it their father or their husband. They had no option but to go straight from their childhood home to marriage.
These days, women have lots of different options. They have equal access to education, the law and employment opportunities. They don't NEED a man in order to function in society. And with the average life expectancy probably doubling since those days, she knows that she's got plenty of time to enjoy the single life before she needs to think about settling down and raising a family. There's also that little thing called love, that probably didn't factor too much in those earlier marriage arrangements, and with today's women being employed and so much more socially active, they probably have more opportunities to meet, and fall in love with, someone closer to their own age.
And, absolutely no offence intended, what Bart said about 'thinking long term' goes for women as well. If, in her head, an eighteen year old wants to establish her career first and doesn't plan on even considering marriage and children until she's in her mid-thirties, she's going to look at a 30 - 40 year old man and, thinking long term, realise that he could be pushing 50 or 60 by the time she's ready to settle down and start a family. There's also the fact that an older man who hasn't had children yet, might feel that time is 'running out' and perhaps put pressure on her to hurry up and give him babies, when in her mind, she has all the time in the world.
DJ FourMoney
03-14-06, 12:07
Which is why the feminst movement will never really gain any traction.
You have too many on both sides feeling what they believe in is the right direction for women, not only here but in Western Europe and world-wide.
Fembots fear a return to the "olden" days when all they were good for is child bearing and housework, things they generally loath. Those on the more liberial side feel that women are an ideal multi-tasking group that can do both effectively.
So until they agree on something... They are nothing more than a political "noise maker".
According to people like Dirkdingy, providers should be seen and not heard from, welcome aboard Rubber Nursey
Why hello Nursey,
It's good to have your opinon here.
Regarding your post, I hear what you are saying, and ABSOLUTELY believe that a young woman should have the right to choose whoever she wants to be with (or do anything else that she wants to so long as she doesn't believe she can "have her cake and eat it too"), as opposed to the historical treatment you quote below. I believe for example that a forced arranged marriage is more or less de facto sex slavery.
My problem however is with the societal flak I catch about MUTUALLY interested involvement with a woman who is substantially younger than I am, yet past the age of majority. I tried to examine what possible "danger" (causing society to have to protect her from me) that involvement with me exposes the girl to, relative to a younger socially acceptable suitor. I understand that some degree of backlash is reasonable given the history of the past 2000+ years, but have to assert that said backlash is now antiquated thinking due to under the worst case scenario I want to take the girl as a wife, and constrain her to child rearing, and housework while I provide family income.......the burden of which these days is perhaps 1/10th or even 1/20th of what had to be endured by modern women's "foremothers"
B9k
DJ FourMoney
03-14-06, 12:28
You bring up excellent points as well....
Add to your "list of task", picking up the kids from school and shopping for the family with YOUR money, not hers. Not to mention the "free" time they seem to have between the time the kids go to school and she has to pick them up. Making it possible for said bored housewife to offer "afternoon favors" for a token fee.
Oh life is so hard for the American Housewife.... Honestly I think if your a BBW housewife or BBW single mother its because your lazy above everything. Anybody that has had to actually work hard to get to where they are tend to be much thinner around the waist, working several jobs to make ends meet and their kids fed, housed and clothed.
I met one lady that couldn't been more than mid 20's with 2 kids and "dumped" on me about how she had been working for the local hospital for the last several months, 2 days a week. I know nursing pays well, but it doesn't pay that well and she continued with yawns about how her power, gas and phone have all been shutoff several times. She's turned her oldest son into a latchkey kid, one of millions I'm sure around the US and Canada.
She wasn't hot, but workable I guess with some dental work and a few days at a day spa, but she was pretty dam skinny. Seeing she barely had money to keep her kids fed and clothed I sure that didn't leave much eating for her...
MILF's are where its at if you want to go that route... That includes I noticed Internationally as well.
Honestly that is most likely what I'll end up with, very FEW women in their late 20's to early 30's out there with no kids and that are actually attractive. Anybody single woman, unmarried and no kids over 30 there's at least ONE issue if not obvious about them...
The most popular toliet flushers -
Having too many kids (Ive seen several with quotes of 5 or more kids more than once)
Weighing more than you do, two fold.
Just flat crazy or weird
At least with MILF you have proof of one thing...
Somebody found them attractive enough to plant their seed...
I think I like your theory better than mine. "Protecting" young women against the intention of older men to turn them into a domestic slave/baby machine.
Of course these days, "domestic slavery" consists of dropping a load into the washing machine, putting dishes in the dishwasher, taking a quick spin around the living room with a vacuum cleaner, and turning up the heat....instead of scrubbing laundry in wash basin or a river, hand washing dishes, taking a dozen big rugs outside and beating them, stoking a fire, hauling in water from the well.....
And so far as "baby machine" is concerned, I personally maybe want one...like 3-5 years out. Most couples these days, assuming they aren't moronic trailer trash fucktards, have 2.
Good point about the extended adolecence.
B9K
Rubber Nursey
03-14-06, 17:52
Why hello Nursey, It's good to have your opinon here.
Thank you very much! :) It's good to be back.
My problem however is with the societal flak I catch about MUTUALLY interested involvement with a woman who is substantially younger than I am, yet past the age of majority. I tried to examine what possible "danger" (causing society to have to protect her from me) that involvement with me exposes the girl to, relative to a younger socially acceptable suitor.
I've got a few (hopefully) plausible theories...
1. For whatever reason, the young girl/older man scenario seems to be not quite so common these days. (I personally think it has a lot to do with more young women being financially independent, and therefore no longer needing a husband to 'take care' of them - a few years back she would need to find a good provider in order to live a comfortable life and the older the man was, the more likely he was to have accumulated money, property, etc). Anyway, whatever the reason is, it doesn't seem to be as common as it once was and that makes the average young woman/older man couple stand out on the street. And we all know what happens when you stand out too much, don't we...just as it is for gay and lesbian couples, interracial couples and any other people who dare to stray a little too far away from the 'norm', the Moral Minority just can't help sneering in disgust and pointing out, in no uncertain terms, the error of your ways. And unfortunately, those cheeky buggers are very good at swaying public opinion.
2. Because women in my own lifetime have always had choices and the power to create their own destiny, it's easy to forget that feminism and equality are really still quite new concepts in the grand scheme of things. Even in my mothers day (she's in her early fifties now) although women were encouraged to find a job (like a secretary or...ummm...a secretary) it was really only seen as a temporary way to support yourself until you got married. I think mothers may sometimes be living their own lives through their daughters and encouraging them to go out, get rich, travel, sleep around, not just settle down and have kids, like they did. And an older boyfriend is probably considered more likely to try and 'tie their daughter down' than a man in his early twenties.
and 3. Sometimes older women probably try to talk younger women out of it, just out of good, old fashioned concern for their emotional welfare. Parents, in particular, just don't want to see their baby girl hurt. Fact is, relationships are difficult at the best of times, without adding the extra pressure of a large age gap. I've experienced the age problem myself, from both sides. As I'm pretty sure I've mentioned at some point over the years, my oldest child's father was eighteen years older than me. I was a teenager and he was in his thirties. The age gap wasn't a factor AT ALL at first, but then the cracks began to show. And after a while, well, quite simply...I grew up and grew out of him. Over the four years that we were together, my priorities had changed and he just wasn't what I wanted any more.
Then, when I was 26, I was dating a man who had just turned 20. He was straight out of college and still living with his Mum; I was a divorcee with two children. Eventually, the relationship got pretty serious and he wanted to get married, buy a house and have a child of his own. I gave it serious consideration but, with two children and one failed marriage already under my belt, I decided I just couldn't do it again. I eventually ended the relationship and told him to find someone he could start fresh with. Basically, a big age gap often means a big gap in life experience. Both of you are at completely different stages of your lives and although every relationship should include the occasional compromise, the compromises we're talking about in these situations are often really big ones - like children and marriage and travel and education.
So there's a few of my thoughts, anyway. I'm not, under any circumstances, saying that it CAN'T work, because I know that it does for a lot of couples. I'm just saying that it can be more difficult than a relationship with someone who is at a similar stage of life to your own.
Rubber Nursey
03-14-06, 18:17
you have too many on both sides feeling what they believe in is the right direction for women, not only here but in western europe and world-wide.
fembots fear a return to the "olden" days when all they were good for is child bearing and housework, things they generally loath. those on the more liberial side feel that women are an ideal multi-tasking group that can do both effectively.
and that, i believe, is what screws women up more than anything, and may even be responsible for the 'have her cake and eat it too' syndrome. its not that women don't know what they want...they don't know what they're supposed to want. we are told to have babies, work hard in a successful career, travel the world and get a good education, all at the same time. we're told that we should be financially independent and not need a man to 'look after' us and then looked down on with pity if we, god forbid, haven't married and had kids by the time we're thirty. and then there's sex. we're told to be free and liberated and confident to enjoy our bodies and indulge in casual sex and then called dirty sl*ts when we actually go out there and do it.
and yes, it's women that do this to other women, not men.
according to people like dirkdingy, providers should be seen and not heard from, welcome aboard rubber nursey
he's not the first and i'm dead sure he won't be the last. i don't mind at all...it makes me laugh and responding to those sorts of posts gives me a chance to vent. very therapeutic. :) thanks for the welcome.
I have always maintained that American Women aren't born evil....but that our screwed up society makes them that way:) This in part does somewhat explain my predilection towards "barely legal' types-they have had less time in this society to absorb conflicting messages, unattractive girl's agenda's.....
Since you haven't been around, I will fill you in on my big issue-it kind of ties back into DJ's preferences, and why I find them unacceptable:
Our society is currently constructed in such a way so as to allow young women to use boring, dependable, hard working "nice guys" as a safety net. Girls run wild during their most physically attractive years (physical attractiveness being their greatest asset), throwing themselves at pretty boys, pro athletes, dramatic bad boy losers, rich guys, etc, who pretty much use them as a sperm receptacle. In the meantime, the nice hardworking dependable boring guy can't get the time of day from these girls. Then, the girls get to be around mid twentyish and start to find that they are gaining a bit of weight, aging a bit, wanting a child, or maybe having produced one from an inappropriate father, growing tired of supporting herself as a "liberated woman", at which time they "suddenly discover" the boring nice guy, who she wouldn't have given the time of day to a year before. The sex starved boring nice guy (prostitution being illegal, socially stigmatized, and expensive as hell in this country), gladly jumps at the opportunity, and "buys the cow" of the well worn used ass of the aging hottie, even sometimes taking on the burden of financial and parenting responsibility for children that he a few years ago, wasn't a suitable candidate for helping to produce them (That is why I don't do single mommies DJ). Compounding matters even more, after this scenario female infidelity (quite expectedly, as they aren't actually that "hot" for the poor chump they married) is rampant (as is male), and even if it (or any other reason for divorce) is discovered, the woman then gets to take the man to the cleaners in a divorce, frequently relegating him to living in poverty.
Having seen this scenario go down in real life, I must simply give a resounding "no thank you" to AW.
B9K
Sinanju Master
03-14-06, 23:26
Having a wife who would "perfectly" fit the role of a woman in the olden days isn't something I'd want. To be more specific, I wouldn't want someone who would totally live her life through me and have no thought or sense of self outside me. Getting to know a (sane) woman is part of the mystery that is alluring. What makes her heart beat faster? What is her opinion on this or her thoughts on that? Doe she see Life as something to be experienced or is she content to let is pass her by? Is she (flexible) willing to share experiences that you enjoy or is she (rigid) unwilling to venture outside her frame of reference? Does "Give and Take" to her mean YOU give and I'LL take? Is she willing to occasionally do things to make you happy JUST BECAUSE?
That's a few criteria of mine, regarding a wife, although I don't see really myself getting hitched. THAT and I got a thing for redheads.
Bart, Drew Carey uttered a line that TOTALLY echoes your message: (paraphrasing) "I'm not good enough to plant the seed, but when Harvest Time comes around, you come running to Farmer Drew". This was an episode of when he was dating a VERY PREGNANT AW. When other pregnant AW's found out about this, they flocked to him like flies to shit.
Reverend Bart says "Amen"
Hey there RN,
Here's my response to your proposed theories.... Oh yes, I enjoyed reading them!
1. True, this scenario isn't as common these days..... but DEFINITELY still out there eg. Micheal Douglas (way past his prime) + Catherine Zeta-Jones ...(prime with a capital P). Why? Probably due to economic good times.... the girls are doing it for themselves, who needs a sugar daddy? Answer, some girls.
2. Maybe this happens, but I think this one would be a pretty weak influence.
3. Bingo! Parents, especially, want to see their precious daughter get "the best deal" that she can. There's always this idea that, somehow an older guy is wiser and craftier and can "trick" a young woman into settling down with him. I've run into this one a few times myself..... minor resistance from the parents until they found out how much money I make.
I'll repeat what I said in an earlier post, we glorify youth in this culture. It seems like everyone wants to try and live like a teenager for as long as they can...... and why not? All the fun, with none of the responsibility. Also, men (and women too, it seems) have a taste for young flesh. It's no wonder nobody wants to get married until they're pushing middle-age.
Rock
ps. what's with all these schoolteachers getting caught with 14 year old boys? Has anyone else noticed this going on a lot lately, or is it just me? There was this 23 yr old blonde one on CNN and she is WAY hot!
OwnaFord1994
03-15-06, 02:57
Well put, perhaps practice made perfect. (Can't you all think of something new?)
I have always maintained that American Women aren't born evil....but that our screwed up society makes them that way:) This in part does somewhat explain my predilection towards "barely legal' types-they have had less time in this society to absorb conflicting messages, unattractive girl's agenda's.....
Since you haven't been around, I will fill you in on my big issue-it kind of ties back into DJ's preferences, and why I find them unacceptable:
Our society is currently constructed in such a way so as to allow young women to use boring, dependable, hard working "nice guys" as a safety net. Girls run wild during their most physically attractive years (physical attractiveness being their greatest asset), throwing themselves at pretty boys, pro athletes, dramatic bad boy losers, rich guys, etc, who pretty much use them as a sperm receptacle. In the meantime, the nice hardworking dependable boring guy can't get the time of day from these girls. Then, the girls get to be around mid twentyish and start to find that they are gaining a bit of weight, aging a bit, wanting a child, or maybe having produced one from an inappropriate father, growing tired of supporting herself as a "liberated woman", at which time they "suddenly discover" the boring nice guy, who she wouldn't have given the time of day to a year before. The sex starved boring nice guy (prostitution being illegal, socially stigmatized, and expensive as hell in this country), gladly jumps at the opportunity, and "buys the cow" of the well worn used ass of the aging hottie, even sometimes taking on the burden of financial and parenting responsibility for children that he a few years ago, wasn't a suitable candidate for helping to produce them (That is why I don't do single mommies DJ). Compounding matters even more, after this scenario female infidelity (quite expectedly, as they aren't actually that "hot" for the poor chump they married) is rampant (as is male), and even if it (or any other reason for divorce) is discovered, the woman then gets to take the man to the cleaners in a divorce, frequently relegating him to living in poverty.
Having seen this scenario go down in real life, I must simply give a resounding "no thank you" to AW.
The problem is, the foriegn girls that you can find is just a younger sperm receptacle.
Can't YOU think of anything new? Or maybe the only thing you know how to do is make dumb comments about someone else's posts.
BTW, since you're soooo smart, maybe you know how to use a spell-checker? Foreign is the correct spelling..... not foriegn.
Rock
Sinanju Master
03-15-06, 03:45
the guy is like Cliff and Norm from Cheers. He lives his life vicariously through the posts of others, and as a result, can only rehash experiences that are not his.
You know, we have postulated that there is something physical about james that causes him to be removed from society, and troll the internet 24 hours a day. Previously, we have been thinking that he is some kind of a morbidly obese shut in, or physically handicapped.
Here is a direction we haven't explored that may have some merit. What if james is a sawed off little shit of a guy 4'10 1/2 and 92 pounds soaking wet.
He does seem to have the air of the kind of guy who got stuffed into his locker/given swirlies, who can now blow out as much bullshit as he wants without reprecussion via the internet. He is like a little yipping chiuaua, making all kinds of noise, but of no real consequence. A "serious dog" like a mastiff, doberman pincer, or rottweiler doesn't even have to make a sound to have their presence felt.
B9k
Rubber Nursey
03-15-06, 04:28
Ok, I can totally understand where you're coming from, but I think you're seeing this scenario from only one angle. How about this one...
Girls run wild during their most physically attractive years (physical attractiveness being their greatest asset), throwing themselves at pretty boys, pro athletes, dramatic bad boy losers, rich guys, etc, who pretty much use them as a sperm receptacle. In the meantime, the nice hardworking dependable boring guy can't get the time of day from these girls.
BOYS run around during their most physically attractive years (physical attractiveness being their greatest asset), sleeping with every young hottie they can get their hands on and treating them like sperm receptacles. The more the girl gets used and thrown away, the more her self esteem is knocked, so she tries harder to 'please' these guys - sleeping with them more easily next time, being less demanding, putting up with more and more shit from them. Without realising it, she's mistaking lust for love (she doesn't know any better if this is the only way she's ever been treated). Meanwhile, the nice, hardworking dependable guy either a) wants the girl to settle down and have a family, which she's not quite ready to do yet, or b) thinks she's a complete sl*t and although he wouldn't mind fucking her, she's not really the type of girl he'd want to take home to Mummy.
Then, the girls get to be around mid twentyish and start to find that they are gaining a bit of weight, aging a bit, wanting a child, or maybe having produced one from an inappropriate father, growing tired of supporting herself as a "liberated woman", at which time they "suddenly discover" the boring nice guy, who she wouldn't have given the time of day to a year before.
In her mid twenties, after a few years of being treated like a sex toy, she suddenly realises that there must be more to life. Her priorities shift and she starts to look PAST the big biceps and see the ugly man behind the pretty face. So she goes off in search of a man with a good heart, who will truly love her and treat her with some respect. (And if, as you said, one of these macho pigs have got her pregnant and then done a runner, she will probably have come to this conclusion much more quickly. Don't forget that for every single mother out there, there's a man who may have walked away from his responsibilities and left her holding the baby - women don't get pregnant by themselves!). Enter the boring nice guy who, admittedly, she wouldn't have looked twice at last year, but now she realises what a good heart he has and how much better it feels to be with someone who loves her for who she is, not what she looks like or what she can do for him.
The sex starved boring nice guy...gladly jumps at the opportunity, and "buys the cow" of the well worn used ass of the aging hottie, even sometimes taking on the burden of financial and parenting responsibility for children that he a few years ago, wasn't a suitable candidate for helping to produce them (That is why I don't do single mommies DJ).
I'm sorry but, honestly, you can't tell me that any guy is gonna marry a woman just because he's a 'nice guy'. He loves her. He asks her to marry him and, if she happens to be a single mother, he takes on the kid too because - and I've had my own experiences of this and I've seen it with many other couples - a single Mum is a 'package deal' and if you really love her, you don't question it, you just do it. (If the boring nice guy really DID just marry her because he hadn't had sex for a while, then it would say a who lot more about HIS insecurities than hers!) And really, the idea that he 'wouldn't have been a candidate to help produce the child' a few years ago is a bit silly. What if the father of her child was a 'nice, boring guy' just like him, who it just didn't work out with? Would that make a difference?
Compounding matters even more, after this scenario female infidelity ...is rampant ...and even if it (or any other reason for divorce) is discovered, the woman then gets to take the man to the cleaners in a divorce, frequently relegating him to living in poverty.
If this is gonna happen, it's gonna happen regardless of what age the girl is. Actually, I would think that there would be MORE chance of infidelity if you're a 40 year old man (hair starting to thin a bit, beer belly expanding) and she's a 19 year old sex goddess, than if she's a single Mum nearing thirty who did all her screwing around when she was younger and now wants to settle down with the man she loves.
I know I'm playing Devil's Advocate a little, but I thought it might be interesting to put a very one-sided female account up against your very one-sided male account. :)
Sinanju Master
03-15-06, 04:37
he reminds me of a statement made by Pakistan a few years ago after their underground nuclear testing. Basically, the statement was comparable to an adolescent saying: "I now have nuclear capability, so, I can sit at the grownup table and you can't ignore me". The anonymity of the Internet (the "capability") erases fear of physical reprisal since the theory of said dipshit being a sawed off little shit of a guy 4'10 1/2 and 92 pounds soaking wet seems quite possible.
Sinanju Master
03-15-06, 04:58
BOYS run around during their most physically attractive years (physical attractiveness being their greatest asset), sleeping with every young hottie they can get their hands on and treating them like sperm receptacles. The more the girl gets used and thrown away, the more her self esteem is knocked, so she tries harder to 'please' these guys - sleeping with them more easily next time, being less demanding, putting up with more and more shit from them. Without realising it, she's mistaking lust for love (she doesn't know any better if this is the only way she's ever been treated). Meanwhile, the nice, hardworking dependable guy either a) wants the girl to settle down and have a family, which she's not quite ready to do yet, or b) thinks she's a complete sl*t and although he wouldn't mind fucking her, she's not really the type of girl he'd want to take home to Mummy.
No argument there, Doll, BUT, remember this quote: "For WOMEN, getting laid is a CHOICE, for MEN, getting laid is a A CHORE. It is (and always WILL BE) easier for a woman to get laid than a man. That being said, women have the advantage. If they sleep around with the wrong guys early in their lives, that was a CHOICE that they made.
In her mid twenties, after a few years of being treated like a sex toy, she suddenly realises that there must be more to life. Her priorities shift and she starts to look PAST the big biceps and see the ugly man behind the pretty face. So she goes off in search of a man with a good heart, who will truly love her and treat her with some respect. (And if, as you said, one of these macho pigs have got her pregnant and then done a runner, she will probably have come to this conclusion much more quickly. Don't forget that for every single mother out there, there's a man who may have walked away from his responsibilities and left her holding the baby - women don't get pregnant by themselves!). Enter the boring nice guy who, admittedly, she wouldn't have looked twice at last year, but now she realises what a good heart he has and how much better it feels to be with someone who loves her for who she is, not what she looks like or what she can do for him.
No argument there either for the most part. HOWEVER, I feel that one aspect of the self-reflection is that said woman now realizes that at whatever age she may now be, she has younger competition and doesn't turn as many heads as she used to. This self reflection is in part, an adjustment to what (whom) she can now reel in with her attractiveness. She can no longer enchant the Adonis with such ease.
I'm sorry but, honestly, you can't tell me that any guy is gonna marry a woman just because he's a 'nice guy'. He loves her. He asks her to marry him and, if she happens to be a single mother, he takes on the kid too because - and I've had my own experiences of this and I've seen it with many other couples - a single Mum is a 'package deal' and if you really love her, you don't question it, you just do it. (If the boring nice guy really DID just marry her because he hadn't had sex for a while, then it would say a who lot more about HIS insecurities than hers!) And really, the idea that he 'wouldn't have been a candidate to help produce the child' a few years ago is a bit silly. What if the father of her child was a 'nice, boring guy' just like him, who it just didn't work out with? Would that make a difference?
True, no guy is gonna marry a woman simply 'cos he's a nice guy. IF he DOES and knows that there is baggage involved, he is simply desperate for some trim and doesn't realise or care about the accompanying circumstances.
I know I'm playing Devil's Advocate a little, but I thought it might be interesting to put a very one-sided female account up against your very one-sided male account. :)
Actually, your opinion is needed to give voice to the other side and to put things in perspective. I've never told you to your face, but you HAVE made points in the past that are hard to dispute.
Chocha Monger
03-15-06, 05:10
a single Mum is a 'package deal' and if you really love her, you don't question it, you just do it.
RN:
We American men are tired of having to accept package deals for everything these days. Sometimes we just want a burger without having freaking fries and a coke shoved on us. Maybe we want a new car with a premium stereo system but not the leather seats that the dealer is trying to push on us as part of the package. It's all about choices. Not asking questions and just doing it is exactly how you get fucked when conducting business in America. That is exactly what marriage is in the USA, a business contract, a merger to be precise
If a guy wants to merge his assets with a woman, he had better be damn sure about her holdings and what liabilities she is bringing to the table because he can be sure that she has already evaluated his yields. Raising some other guy's offspring not likely to pay any dividends and reduces the number of potential offspring that a guy might have been able to support had he married a woman without children to begin with. When you add the "step-daddy" drama into the equation it just doesn't look like a good deal at all.
Love is a nice concept but it is hardly enough to base a good marriage on. There is too much at risk when legal proceedings are involved. What happens when they are no longer in love? Divorce court, lawyers, alimony, child support and division of assets. It is not wise to make such a serious decision solely on a feeling that might not be there tomorrow. Marital laws were created with a lot of things in mind but I assure you that love was not one of them.
Latina Passion
03-15-06, 05:23
What other business contract can a man sign, the business fails for whatever reason and the partner (The Man 99%) that is the most successful has to pay the loser (Woman) off?
Then if the overweight Biatch, wants she can and will take you back to court for this or that!
Any of you guys in the Furniture Business lets say CBK, so I can fuck this skank?
That's it lets start a thread on how to get back at your EX!
Sinanju Master
03-15-06, 05:26
If I were to accept a package deal, I would be accepting the fact that her child (or CHILDREN) may want to resist me and do everything in their power to SABOTAGE our relationship and try to look like angels whe the shit hits the fan.
ALSO, she would have to DIVIDE her attention BY DEFAULT because she ALREADY has someone that she needs to look after (said child or children).
ALSO, since she would already have a kid or KIDS, the amount of sex you would want to have with her is GIGANTICALLY out of proportion to what she can or will provide, since there is always the "threat" of the little one "accidentally" walking in on you during an intimate moment.
ALSO, remember that when the two of you met, she ALREADY was with a child. If she has to choose between the two of you, you're OUT of the picture.
There would be NO transitional period from couple to "family" since that stage was IMMEDIATELY bypassed the minute you accepted the "package deal". Such a quick Life Changing Event is difficult at BEST to adjust to.
Chocha Monger
03-15-06, 05:47
SM:
Step-daddying has to be one of the most thankless and difficult jobs around. I've seen guys work hard all day, go home and try to relax but the step-kids are raising hell. As soon as step-daddy tells them to calm down, the first thing he hears is, "You aint my daddy!" Never mind that he is paying all the bills.
Rubber Nursey
03-15-06, 05:48
Chocha Monger,
I totally understand. Actually, I understand now even more than I used to, as a single mother of two who is currently involved with a single father of three!
And, of course, nobody is saying that you HAVE to take on a woman with children. Obviously if you really don't want to end up with an instant family, then you just won't get involved with a single mother in the first place. All I'm saying is that if you DO get involved with a single Mum, you know from the start that her child is part of the deal and you make your decisions accordingly.
It happens to women as well, you know - once you get over a certain age, many of the men you meet are divorced and although the children don't live with him fulltime, there's always holidays and weekend access to consider, as well as a large portion of your household income going to his ex for child support and/or alimony. Isn't that exactly the same thing? Just out of interest...Do any of you guys here have children from a previous marriage - and if so, do you ever factor your OWN baggage into the equation? Would you say no to taking on a single Mum, but expect your new (presumably childless) wife to become a part-time Mum to YOUR kids?
Sinanju Master
03-15-06, 06:08
my bud who just turned 40 is (WAS) a divorced dad who married a woman who integrated into an instant family and with his baggage with his ex. I don't envy either of them, truth be told. My bud is gonna be 58 when his kid soon-to-be-born kid turns 18. I see him experiencing an early death near that anniversary, sad to say.
If I were a divorced dad, I honestly couldn't expect a woman to want to marry me what with having a kid or KIDS and having possible baggage relating to my ex. Everyone entering into a relationship WANTS perfection (rightfully so) but reality and wishes are worlds apart.
Rubber Nursey
03-15-06, 06:22
Everyone entering into a relationship WANTS perfection (rightfully so) but reality and wishes are worlds apart.
Beautifully said. :) The sad fact is that as we all get older, we all collect up more and more baggage - be it physical baggage, like an ex wife/husband and kids, or emotional baggage, like bitterness and insecurities left over from previous bad relationships. And that's pretty much what I was getting at when I said that sometimes you just have to accept your partner's baggage, without question. Because if you don't - and instead dwell on 'what ifs' and 'if onlys' - you're just gonna end up with another failed relationship behind you and all the bitterness and emotional baggage that comes with that (to take into your NEXT relationship!).
Rubber Nursey
03-15-06, 06:59
Hey Rock :) Good to see you again.
I'll repeat what I said in an earlier post, we glorify youth in this culture.... Also, men (and women too, it seems) have a taste for young flesh. It's no wonder nobody wants to get married until they're pushing middle-age.
And herein lies the problem. If all us oldies are looking for a young partner and all the young ones are ALSO looking for a young partner, the young ones are always gonna be getting all the sex and those of us considered 'over the hill'?...well, we may as well give up on the idea of ever having sex again!! lol
Nursey,
With great power (aka freedom and liberation), also comes great responsibility. Yes, some girls (roughly paraphrasing you) are young and stupid when they exhibit this behavior (I kind of think others do it deliberately). Here is the thing however. I myself did a lot of really stupid things between the ages of 18 and 25, and guess who paid the consequences for them...in fact, I'm still paying in some ways, almost ten years later. In our society, girls are able to gamble with someone elses money.
I have to disagree with you about physical attractiveness being a guy's greatest asset. The man's greatest asset is the ability and inclination to generate income which is sufficient to support himself, and dependents is. A woman once told CBGC "Muscles are nice...money is better".
I also think (in your role as Devil's advocate-you can go on my list of INTELLIGENT LEGITIMATE dissenters) that you are mischaracterizing the intentions of the "nice guy". A "nice guy" is still a guy, and "settling down" and "reproduction" are much higher on female priority lists than on the vast majority of guys. Now there may be some validity to the Madonna/Who*e thing, but these days, a girl can do a whole lot of shit before she gets labeled a "****", especially with just a bit of discretion.
Now, not every guy is as militant about this as I am, but I have to stick to my guns about the single mommies. Chocha is right, marriage is ultimately a business decision, and a kid is a big liability. I happen to know a bit about sales and marketing, and can definitely tell you that when the "bag of goods" being sold has to be done primarily on an emotional basis, it isn't any good.
No, I am certainly not asserting that any "nice guy" would straighten up after the mess of a girl's life, just because he is nice. However, should you offer a starving man, a lifetime supply of food, he probably will not be mindful of the price that he is paying for it, especially on the installment plan.
Yes, it does take two to tango, and of course I realize that legitimate contraceptive accidents do happen. However, everyone that is smarter than James D knows that pregnancy is the potential consequence of every act of intercourse, and unless the sex was unconsenual, the girl made the CHOICE to allow a cock inside her that was attached to a guy who though he may be sexy dramatic and exciting, is also a bum who won't face up to the responsibility of having procreated. Is the guy a useless piece of shit who should be taken out and shot-yes absolutely. However, given that the girl now (as opposed to the days when girls didn't have the ability to make choices) has the POWER to decide which cock gets to be inside her, the RESPONSIBILITY for taking the consequences for her action should be hers---not necessarily hers alone, but hers.
The "what if" the girl procreated with a boring (tends to come in a package with hardworking, dependable, and responsible) nice guy and things just didn't work out......I'm sorry, but it has been my experience that it usually isn't the way it goes down. I'm sure that it has happened under the sun, but as a guess for every occurence of that one, there are 999 unsuitable potential father candidates being allowed access to pussy.
Ok, I'm tired. Let's all go home.
B9K
PS I'm an advocate of a maximum 15 year spread between man's age and woman's (spread can increase as both parties get older-her 47 to his 68 for example). People should be free to do whatever they want of course, but in my opinion, a man should be aware that over the course of a long term relationship, a 19 year old girl's interest in being with you at 40, most likely is in being with your money. If all parties concerned are OK with this, then hey, more power. Personally however, even I am not that cynical.
DJ FourMoney
03-15-06, 08:43
i've never been married, have no children and the clock is running...
i haven't only considered women 5-10 years younger, but women 1-5 years older than me as well. i find it hard accepting somebody in their late 30's, early 40's when looks are going to start going down hill quickly. yeah i know that sounds shallow, but that's how i feel.
i just dread waking up one morning with me still looking mid 30's and my wife looking very much older than i do, giving the appearance of a may-dec romance not a couple that's been married for 5-10 years.
single parents just have to be considered in my case. any woman over 30 you're going to be lucky to get even one more out of them if they already have 2 or more. some women relish being "baby factories" but those women are few and far between. i have to take what's available too me and most of time they (milfs) seem to be the ones most eager to move a relationship forward at top speed, not that i'm in a hurry mind you.
alot of excellent points have been brought up as usual with the talent level around here and rn has added some much needed savy to the female side of the discussion.
one of the reasons i wanted to visit europe is because i felt i could find more single, childless women over there and that's true, but there also alot of single mothers with bi-racial children as well, so they are added to the mix...
i really can't wait to get out and go and give back to this site for all the information it has given me and give some needed insight into the non-pro action...
OwnaFord1994
03-15-06, 17:11
he reminds me of a statement made by Pakistan a few years ago after their underground nuclear testing. Basically, the statement was comparable to an adolescent saying: "I now have nuclear capability, so, I can sit at the grownup table and you can't ignore me". The anonymity of the Internet (the "capability") erases fear of physical reprisal since the theory of said dipshit being a sawed off little shit of a guy 4'10 1/2 and 92 pounds soaking wet seems quite possible.
Still thinking like an ape?
What now? Standing up, staring down at the monitor?
You know, LA is a gigantic "melting pot". I bet that just about every kind, type, variant or form of the Homo Sapien is represented there. You can certainly find Hollywood glitterati, probably gang banger wanna bees from Oaklahoma, and I bet you could even find a group of wiccans from Uzbekistan if you really tried.
All of that being said, I have to pose a question:
How big of a freak of nature must James D be that he can't find any friends there, and must instead use trolling on the internet as his sole pathetic source of companionship.
B9k
DJ FourMoney
03-15-06, 20:39
lol, its funny you mention Wiccans and Pagans..
I've ran into a few of those in my travels around here. Interesting bunch, sex to them is a non-issue, no hang ups. Just kinda strange when you have to explain a few things around the house...
You know, LA is a gigantic "melting pot". I bet that just about every kind, type, variant or form of the Homo Sapien is represented there. You can certainly find Hollywood glitterati, probably gang banger wanna bees from Oaklahoma, and I bet you could even find a group of wiccans from Uzbekistan if you really tried.
All of that being said, I have to pose a question:
How big of a freak of nature must James D be that he can't find any friends there, and must instead use trolling on the internet as his sole pathetic source of companionship.
B9k
A store that sells husbands has just opened in New York City, where a woman may go to choose a husband. Among the instructions at the entrance is a description of how the store operates. You may visit the store ONLY ONCE!
There are six floors and the attributes of the men increase as the shopper ascends the flights. There is, however, a catch... you may choose any man from a particular floor, or you may choose to go up a floor, but you cannot go back down except to exit the building!
So, a woman goes to the Husband Store to find a husband...
On the first floor the sign on the door reads: Floor 1 - These men have jobs and love the Lord.
The second floor sign reads: Floor 2 - These men have jobs, love the Lord, and love kids.
The third floor sign reads: Floor 3 - These men have jobs, love the Lord, love kids, and are extremely good looking. "Wow," she thinks, but feels compelled to keep going.
She goes to the fourth floor and sign reads: Floor 4 - These men have jobs, love the Lord, love kids, are drop-dead good looking and help with the housework.
"Oh, mercy me!" she exclaims, "I can hardly stand it!" Still, she goes to the fifth floor and sign reads: Floor 5 – These men have jobs, love the Lord, love kids, are drop-dead gorgeous, help with the housework, and have a strong romantic streak.
She is so tempted to stay, but she goes to the sixth floor and the sign reads: Floor 6 - You are visitor 4,363,012 to this floor. There are no men on this floor. This floor exists solely as proof that women are impossible to please. "Thank you for shopping at the Husband Store. Watch your step as you exit the building, and have a nice day!"
Sinanju Master
03-16-06, 01:34
that was hilarious!
ownapinto, your writing pattern mirrors that of james d with the '04 iq. are you so clueless as to think that no one caught on to your attempted chicanery? your comment on thinking like an ape was a freudian slip meant for your own self reflection. actually, you do surprise me; i'm willing to wager that since you can write/type, you have the power of speech. you also may have the (limited) ability to walk upright. however, you lack meaningful intelligence. you mimic the posts of others as an ape would in a scientific test. at least the ape has en excuse: it has evolved as far as it can in the present day. you, however, have no excuse, because you are supposed to be more evolved than the ape, but the ape runs mental circles around you with ease. now take your non-opposable thumb possessing self out of here and let the grownups converse intelligently.
Frankypanky
03-16-06, 01:52
A store that sells husbands has just opened in New York City, where a woman may go to choose a husband. Among the instructions at the entrance is a description of how the store operates. You may visit the store ONLY ONCE!
There are six floors and the attributes of the men increase as the shopper ascends the flights. There is, however, a catch... you may choose any man from a particular floor, or you may choose to go up a floor, but you cannot go back down except to exit the building!
So, a woman goes to the Husband Store to find a husband...
On the first floor the sign on the door reads: Floor 1 - These men have jobs and love the Lord.
The second floor sign reads: Floor 2 - These men have jobs, love the Lord, and love kids.
The third floor sign reads: Floor 3 - These men have jobs, love the Lord, love kids, and are extremely good looking. "Wow," she thinks, but feels compelled to keep going.
She goes to the fourth floor and sign reads: Floor 4 - These men have jobs, love the Lord, love kids, are drop-dead good looking and help with the housework.
"Oh, mercy me!" she exclaims, "I can hardly stand it!" Still, she goes to the fifth floor and sign reads: Floor 5 – These men have jobs, love the Lord, love kids, are drop-dead gorgeous, help with the housework, and have a strong romantic streak.
She is so tempted to stay, but she goes to the sixth floor and the sign reads: Floor 6 - You are visitor 4,363,012 to this floor. There are no men on this floor. This floor exists solely as proof that women are impossible to please. "Thank you for shopping at the Husband Store. Watch your step as you exit the building, and have a nice day!"
Could not have it explained better. Who's gonna tell Oprah??
And what is the news from the USA? I know that is Britain, men will have to ask for sex (with women). Otherwise it could all end up in jail!! The problem is that women will be given another tool for powerplay!!!
"Feeling sorry that that guy shagged you?? Then claim that you didnot gave permission!!"
It is getting colder and colder in Europe, guys!!!
Sumimazen-Holland
Chocha Monger
03-16-06, 04:32
in the us the women can already claim that a shag was non-consensual if they have any regrets the following day. there are many cases of women shagging under the influence of alcohol or drugs while "partying". some women set loose their inner wh*re under these circumstances, then feel the need to repair the damage the following day when having to face a judgemental society with a cold sober mind.
if the guy doing the shagging was not particularly attractive or rich, her girlfriends will be there to let her know that they can't believe she got shagged by "such a loser". she will then protest that she was intoxicated and therefore did not willfully engage in copulation. once she says that they will then say that it was not consensual and she will be forced to accuse the guy or admit she was rammed by a guy that her peers did not approve of. it is nothing personal, just a case of an american woman defending her dignity and social status among friends.
Sinanju Master
03-16-06, 04:45
if the guy doing the shagging was not particularly attractive or rich, her girlfriends will be there to let her know that they can't believe she got shagged by "such a loser". she will then protest that she was intoxicated and therefore did not willfully engage in copulation. once she says that they will then say that it was not consensual and she will be forced to accuse the guy or admit she was rammed by a guy that her peers did not approve of. it is nothing personal, just a case of an american woman defending her dignity and social status among friends.
sounds like an attempt to avoid personal responsibility to me...
another issue. american women (i hope this behavior is only theirs-probably this is just a woman thing), have abolutely no sense of "fair play". i have been told that every time that the police advertise for information about a terrible crime being committed (murder etc), there are a slew of women turning in their ex boyfriends as suspects. now let's consider this-de facto this means that some women consider the appropriate punishment for ending a relationship with them to be life in prision, or the death penalty.
bearing this in mind, there is no doubt in my mind that there are guys doing hard time over conensual sex that got labeled "[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)". unfortunately, female thought processes work like this;
(even though i was drunk off my ass, horny, and cooperated with him in the act) "that guy obviously isn't up to my standards, so he must have forced himself on me.'
b9k
The article about moder british attitudes to comercial sex.
Is america lagging behind? Surely over the ocean there must be a change of attitudes as well?
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'It's all about what you want and when you want it'
A new study shows the number of men visiting prostitutes has doubled. But should we be surprised when attitudes to sex have shifted so dramatically? By Laura Barton
The Guardian
"I have never met a working girl who is so enthusiastic in her work. She is no beauty queen, but I found her 'girl next door' looks very sexy. Read two old reports on her before I went. However, in my opinion they do not do her justice."
- 'Field report' from *********.com
Among the more surprising findings this week has been the revelation that over a 10-year period, the number of men in Britain who have paid for sex has doubled. In 1990, 5.6% of 11,000 men asked said they had paid for sex, but by 2000 the figure was over 9%. The study, published in the journal Sexually Transmitted Infections, suggests that the rising divorce rate, sex tourism and the increasing availability of commercial sex services may all help to explain the rise. However, the figures remain startling.
"I was surprised by how quickly the figure had gone up," says the study's co-author, Dr Helen Ward of Imperial College London. "Though there are more men in the potential user groups now." Ward notes that the study found the most frequent visitors to prostitutes were single men aged 25-34, men who had previously been married and were now divorced or widowed, and men who lived in London. She also suggests that the increasing popularity of foreign travel, for business, for pleasure, and for stag weekends, has meant that many men might pay for sex abroad. "Looking at the media," she says, "you do get the impression that it's much more common for men on a stag weekend to get a collective blowjob or whatever." There has also, Ward observes, been a change in the nature of the sex industry as a whole - it is bigger and better organised than ever before. Through her work in clinical services at St Mary's hospital in Paddington, Ward has witnessed first-hand the increasing numbers of women arriving in the UK to work in the sex industry. "In the mid-80s most sex workers were British," she says, "now around 80% of the women using our clinic are not British."
Build it and they will come, perhaps. However, even an increasing supply of women offering sex for money and an increasing number of men without a regular sexual partner cannot really explain why more men now feel comfortable with the idea of paying for sex. (The average price per visit to a prostitute in London is £154, according to *********.com.) "My feeling," says Ward, "is there is a general and continual increase in the way sex is presented as something continually available; it's a commodity now, with lads mags, you see it more in films and so on. In all aspects of society it has become much more about what you want, when you want it, whether it's 24-hour shopping or whatever, and sex has become part of that - this idea of 'no strings sex' just increasingly fits in with the lifestyle."
Indeed, the shift in the British perception of sex over the past decade has been dramatic. It has moved beyond Page 3 titillation and drifted down from the top shelf to encompass lads mags, ready access to pornographic films, and an increased sexualisation of TV content both pre and post-watershed, from Hollyoaks to Footballers' Wives, not to mention music videos and song lyrics. Strip clubs have became a common sight on our high streets; women learn to pole-dance; we've been introduced to Agent Provocateur, while Ann Summers has become a multi-million-pound business. Celebrities are also far more candid about their sex lives; several, including footballer Wayne Rooney and TV presenter Jamie Theakston, have memorably been caught in brothels.
Arguably the biggest change, however, has been the internet. Sex, particularly the commercialised notion of sex, is so accessible, whether you wish to download pornographic images or perhaps contribute to websites where men post reviews of prostitutes, escorts and strip clubs from around the world. Yesterday, on the UK-based *********.com alone there were 59,939 reviews, including "beerbelly's" appraisal of Debbie from south London: "Quite short and a little chubby." There is, of course, no crumb of embarrassment in such field reports; indeed it seems obvious that the reviewers get an erotic thrill from recounting their adventures.
Such websites also boast links to the homepages of escort agencies, massage parlours and prostitutes, among them Susie Swallows, based in South Pembrokeshire. "I'm 5'7" with short brown hair, hazel eyes, 36C, size 12 and in my mid-30s," reads her website, alongside a photograph of her, clad in stockings and high heels. "I cannot recommend Susie highly enough," says one of her reviews. "This lady is fun, frolicsome and super company!" declares another.
"I haven't seen a change in the number of men paying for sex," says Susie. "It's just the same, and they're just the same normal, decent men they've always been." Susie, who joined the trade seven years ago through her involvement with swingers clubs, is keen to stress the normality and respectability of paying for sex. "We're not streetwalkers," she says, "we're not those alcoholic druggies, we don't have pimps, we do it ourselves and the guys we see wine and dine us, and take us to the theatre and that sort of thing. It's not seedy. The guys are gentlemen. And we pay our taxes like everybody else."
Susie's clients range from 20- to 70-year-olds, some regular, others less so. "Some guys like to move on to a different girl each time," she explains. "They don't like to get attached." The frequency of their visits largely depends on whether their payday falls weekly or monthly. "Half my gentlemen are married," she says. "They pay for sex because their wives won't give it! A lot of the guys love their wives so much but it's physically impossible for them to have sex and so they come to us to get their relief. We're like marriage counsellors. They say, 'Please hold me, give me a cuddle.'" Other times, she says, men make requests they would feel uncomfortable making to their wives. "They ask us, we do it, and then they leave. It's a business transaction."
The plain fact is that sex with a prostitute is different from sex with someone you love. The frequent comparison is that it is the equivalent of dining out: easy, different, and you don't have to do the dishes. There is something about this idea that has the lingering and unpalatable taste of the theory that a woman can either be a madonna or a *****.
Despite the increasing numbers of women in the sex industry, despite Sex and the City, and fancy lingerie shops and the fact that more women now own a vibrator than ever before, society persists in believing the antiquated myth that men want sex more often than women, that women are more happy with a kiss and a cuddle from a Mr Darcy, and that, therefore men should be permitted this little weakness. Arguably, men are now keener to pay for sex because in a society that edges closer to gender equality, paying a woman for sex affords men a degree of the power they feel is diminishing.
An increasingly open attitude to sex should, of course, be applauded, and there is a very reasonable case for the decriminalisation of prostitution. What is dangerous, however, is that the sex industry as it exists is largely dictated by men for men. It seems preposterous that at a point in our culture where grown women readily wear T-shirts emblazoned with the word "****", men feel they "have to" visit a prostitute to play out the sexual fantasies because they are too embarrassed to discuss these things with their wives. Is it not astounding that it is less shameful to visit a brothel than to tell your partner you'd like to try anal sex or see her dressed as a cheerleader? So what has really changed in 10 years? Our perception of men's right to sex has certainly altered, as has our idea of how available sex should be. The shame, perhaps even the illicit thrill in visiting a prostitute has diminished. Alas, it seems our perception of women and sex has not.
OwnaFord1994
03-17-06, 02:03
if the guy doing the shagging was not particularly attractive or rich, her girlfriends will be there to let her know that they can't believe she got shagged by "such a loser". she will then protest that she was intoxicated and therefore did not willfully engage in copulation. once she says that they will then say that it was not consensual and she will be forced to accuse the guy or admit she was rammed by a guy that her peers did not approve of. it is nothing personal, just a case of an american woman defending her dignity and social status among friends.
there's a good point in it. whatever one night stand you do in brighton or blackpool doesn't matter, inter-racial, loser, whatever. but for a relationship, by darwin's theory it has to be a relatively good catch.
so what makes a loser a lesser loser in foreign soil? "the girls are better"? don't make me laugh!
Chocha Monger
03-17-06, 03:28
What makes the average, or less than average, American man such a great catch for foreign women? Well, his passport for one and the favorable exchange rate on his albeit few but valuable dollars abroad. In the Third World his purchasing power is increased and he offers a way out of grinding poverty or high crime areas.
It's all part of the gobal economy. Let's say that Average Joe wants his balls sucked but in America the women want too much money and commitments just for doing a half-assed job of sucking AJ's balls, so he discovers that in Asia better looking women will suck his balls for free, or for $15 dollar. Average Joe goes to Asia where the girls suck his balls based on very reasonable terms, and compared to the most of the local guys AJ is not so average anymore. His American passport, US dollars and white skin allows him to fuck a lot more women with better looks than possible in the USA.
In fact, one of the biggest complaints I've heard from Asian boys is that Asian girls only want to fuck white guys. Apparently, the girls perfer white men over their own kind.
OwnaFord1994
03-17-06, 04:19
It's hard before Internet and cell phone to do anything in London, big cities and small towns, particularly if you live in the suburbs where the money is.
OwnaFord1994
03-17-06, 05:12
What makes the average, or less than average, American man such a great catch for foreign women? Well, his passport for one and the favorable exchange rate on his albeit few but valuable dollars abroad. In the Third World his purchasing power is increased and he offers a way out of grinding poverty or high crime areas.
I couldn't agree with you more, but apart from me, you are about the only one who agree with the obvious.
Wait a minute, I thought all the guys here are black?
As for the inter-racial thing, there's little to do with race. Loser like Darkseid didn't score anything, Asian or not. The above quote explains the rest.
So Chocha, what do you think about the white girls who like black guys?
Or the black guys who only what white meat?
CBGBConnisur
03-17-06, 08:39
What makes the average, or less than average, American man such a great catch for foreign women? Well, his passport for one and the favorable exchange rate on his albeit few but valuable dollars abroad. In the Third World his purchasing power is increased and he offers a way out of grinding poverty or high crime areas.
It's all part of the gobal economy. Let's say that Average Joe wants his balls sucked but in America the women want too much money and commitments just for doing a half-assed job of sucking AJ's balls, so he discovers that in Asia better looking women will suck his balls for free, or for $15 dollar. Average Joe goes to Asia where the girls suck his balls based on very reasonable terms, and compared to the most of the local guys AJ is not so average anymore. His American passport, US dollars and white skin allows him to fuck a lot more women with better looks than possible in the USA.
In fact, one of the biggest complaints I've heard from Asian boys is that Asian girls only want to fuck white guys. Apparently, the girls perfer white men over their own kind.
There are heaps of Asian women in Australia, I went into a souvenir shop near Brisbane, a friend of mine told the Asian shopkeeper I was an American, and she started to glue to me like peanut butter. This happens to me at least several times a week. When they find out you're Yankee, they sniff $$$$. In a way I really hate this because most of us who go abroad are hoping to find a woman who will really love us or be attracted to us for who we are as people and not just our earning power. This is one of the reasons why I keep a really low profile and don't boast a lot while abroad, its one of the best ways to fish out the golddiggers. In general this is the reason why I avoid Asian women.
OwnaFord1994
03-17-06, 13:30
In a way I really hate this because most of us who go abroad are hoping to find a woman who will really love us or be attracted to us for who we are as people and not just our earning power. CBGB, take a careful look at Choca said that I quoted. The reality is not what you are hoping for. Keep hoping.
What is the difference between American women and hurricanes?
None.
When they come, they are both warm and humid.
When they leave, they take your house and cars and everything you own.
I was seated next to some ***** the other night at a dinner that happened to be a close friend of my sister(worked with her for six years) and as soon as she met me said she knew all about me.My response was "great" and privately I was saying I'm glad I dont need to entertain you.The dinner goes on and everytime I tried to engage her in conversation she kept on saying the same thing "I know all about you".I was expecting her to comment on something she heard about me so she could get a response from me but all she said was " I know all about you".Why did my sister put me next to this ****???
I also had discussions about foreign women with guys that were seated next to their spouse that didn't go over too well either but they wanted to know why a sharp dressed guy like me was at the dinner single.I also had gay guys hitting on me the whole night.What a mess!
This has nothing to do with anything I just wanted to vent.Thanks for reading.
Chocha Monger
03-17-06, 18:44
artisttyp:
the woman obviously heard all about how you have no interest whatsoever in financing some greedy aw's lifestyle and then being taken for an ass-[CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) in divorce court. therefore, she didn't think that there was anything she could gain out of talking to you. if you're not willing to spend all of your money on an aw don't expect her to be polite to you, most of them are more hardcore than a street walker with 20 years in the business.
james d:
in america, it being a free country, people have the right to freely associate with and fuck women of any race that they so desire. this doesn't make me an any richer or poorer so why should i worry about it?
i don't think that such a thing as "black men who only want white meat" exists. some blacks guys may like fucking white women but i seriously doubt that they pass up opportunities with attractive women of other races.
american white women as a group suffer mental disorders disporportionately to the rest of the population; file the most sexual harassment lawsuits; are more likely to divorce; more likely to approach government authorities with information that might be detrimental to an ex-husband or boyfriend; are more likely to be compulsive shoppers with their husband's money; are more likely to be sexually unfaithful; and file most of the false domestic violence and [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) charges against men.
rather than focusing on any particular race when searching for a meaningful relationship, perhaps you should pay more attention to how the woman treats you as an individual. i would find it hard to take any woman seriously who claims that she only fucks white, black, hispanic or asian men. after all, we are individuals not just part of a race.
of course, if someone is just looking to fuck prostitutes of a particular race then none of the above matters.
James,
Are you here as devil's advocate or here to put everyone down?
Not being facetious in any manner, just everything you write is either slamming someone or a negative comment.
The number one thing I do not like about AW is really simple...lack of manners. I hold a door open for an AW, they rarely bat an eye. I hold a door open for a guy or foreign person, the response 95% of the time is "thank you". Again, my results may be slightly skewed because I live in Los Angeles, they most difficult place in the free world to date, IMHO. I have absolutely no problems meeting attractive women of any race, let's get race out of the picture. It's the fact that the "women" in Los Angeles, in general, are not women I want to spend time or money courting.
So keep spouting how we are all losers for wanting to meet an attractive, woman from abroad. If a woman wanted to meet an attractive, smart guy from abroad, she is considered romantic, when a guy does it, we are considered losers. Go figure.
Another thing that turns me off to AW is the current male-bashing rampant in the media. Ever notice how idiotic guys are in TV adverts or in movies? And the patient wife/gf/mother comes in to save the day. Some women commented in the gym the other day " Imagine a world with no men? We would all be fat and happy women".
I replied simply, " there were no men, there would be no women, and vice versa".
Respect.
F
Chocha Monger
03-18-06, 07:16
Excerpt from: Hot Gossip by Kate Giantis
Nick and Kristin's Rendezvous
March 16, 2006
"Is 32-year-old Nick Lachey having his mid-life crisis a wee bit early? Both People and Us Weekly are abuzz over his tête-à-tête last weekend with "Laguna Beach" blonde Kristin Cavallari, who, at only 19, is an entire eighth-grade Jessica Simpson fan younger than he is.
Just days after Kristin told People that she and Nick were "just friends," the pair was reportedly spied looking cozy during a two-hour meeting at Stanley's Restaurant in Sherman Oaks, Calif..."
Bart:
Not even Lachey is immune to being bashed for having a chat with an attractive younger woman and he's only 32 yrs old. I guess AW really hate seeing guys have any fun. Perhaps, it would be less scandalous if he were seen with an over the hill 35 year old mother of two with a few extra pounds?
Furioz,
The reason James doesn't do anything except make shitty little comments is that he literally can't. He has absolutely no life experience, and thus no perspective. He has, in all likelyhood;
Never been on a date.
Never kissed a girl.
Never gotten drunk and made an ass out of himself.
Never celebrated after a great victory.
Never had to cope with crushing defeat.
You get the idea.
Again, just no life whatsoever. The only experience he has is a halfhearted passionless mechanical condom coverred fuck of a hooker.....and I think he is vastly exaggerating about his experiences there.
We have been conjecturing about the causation for this pathetic state. I'm guessing that he is some kind of severely socially maladjusted, butt ugly, acne covered, 92 pound skeevy little putz, who was raised like a veal by overprotective parent who don't want their little idiot manchild to have to deal with the harsh cruel world.
B9K
DJ FourMoney
03-18-06, 08:59
Its just amazing and AW wonder why the smart ones in general want nothing to do with them. I think I met a RARE gem of an AW today. 5th grade teacher and all. Not the hottest thing around, but alot better looking than some of the pictures of providers I have seen posted.
Seems there is some interest on her part, but of course the real test is when she finds out I live at home, etc, etc. We'll see how she replies to that and I'll continue to make my plans to visit Europe regardless of what happens between me and "I'm Hot For Teacher".
Nick can date who ever he wants, as long as she is over 18 and the female members of the media are just mad that Nick has found a replacement for airheaded Jessica so soon.
Excerpt from: Hot Gossip by Kate Giantis
Nick and Kristin's Rendezvous
March 16, 2006
"Is 32-year-old Nick Lachey having his mid-life crisis a wee bit early? Both People and Us Weekly are abuzz over his tête-à-tête last weekend with "Laguna Beach" blonde Kristin Cavallari, who, at only 19, is an entire eighth-grade Jessica Simpson fan younger than he is.
Just days after Kristin told People that she and Nick were "just friends," the pair was reportedly spied looking cozy during a two-hour meeting at Stanley's Restaurant in Sherman Oaks, Calif..."
Bart:
Not even Lachey is immune to being bashed for having a chat with an attractive younger woman and he's only 32 yrs old. I guess AW really hate seeing guys have any fun. Perhaps, it would be less scandalous if he were seen with an over the hill 35 year old mother of two with a few extra pounds?
I remember how girls in school dances or dance parties got scared of me when i tried to dance with them and they made some stupid execuses like "I have a boyfriend" or "I'm a lesbian", yet i see them dry humping(freak dancing)with random guys(and girls). Did this happen to anybody?
Another thing that turns me off to AW is the current male-bashing rampant in the media. Ever notice how idiotic guys are in TV adverts or in movies? And the patient wife/gf/mother comes in to save the day.
F
I have noticed that too and don't watch those programs or buy the products in those ads. I haven't complained because that would be absolutely ineffective; most marketing / advertising executives are now women! Call me paranoid, but I believe there is a conspiracy to degrade men generally.
In particular, there is the car insurance ad where a couple is moving into a new home and EVERYTHING the man owns is considered not good enough by the wife and is thrown in the trash. There is also a window shade ad where 2 women are discussing the virtues of these blinds and in the background a hapless man is destroying the family barbeque. I saw part of the program, "The World According to Jim". The part I saw showed the lead character, Jim Belushi, being outsmarted and outwitted and out-everythinged by his wife AND his daughters. This is the family life image many American women now have in mind when the fantasize about married life.
I have noticed that too and don't watch those programs or buy the products in those ads. I haven't complained because that would be absolutely ineffective; most marketing / advertising executives are now women! Call me paranoid, but I believe there is a conspiracy to degrade men generally.This is old news. For those of you who are old enough you may remember a comedy show during the 50's called t
"The Adventures Of Ozzie And Harriet" (started in 1952 and included the whole Nelson family including "Ricky Nelson".) Although a pretty smart guy in real life, in the show Ozzie was portrayed as clueless.
Greetings Everyone,
I have determined that OwnaFord1994 is an alias for James D 2004, and thus I have decided to relegate him to his own thread titled "OwnaFord1994's Opinions".
Those of you who wish to join him in his discussions there are welcome to do so.
Thanks,
Jackson
Chocha Monger
03-21-06, 04:39
jackson,
thank you very much for placing ownaford1994 where he belongs with his other personality james d 2004. this individual single-handedly disrupted the usa board and was hell bent on doing the same here on the isg.
ownaford posed a threat to the forum not only due to his attacks on other members and his nonsensical babblings, but due to his boasting about an act of ****philia he claims to have committed. other forum members and myself sent a strong message to him that such heinous behavior will not be tolerated nor ignored. confronting such sick individuals, i believe, is the key to preventing them from making this forum a safe haven for exchanging information on committing further crimes against the young and helpless. it is my sincere hope that the relevant authorities will catch up with ownaford1994 a.k.a james d 2004 like they did with belguel.
your swift and decisive action in this matter has put other undesirable elements on notice that there will be consequences for their actions.
best regards,
chocha monger
Hey Moloney,
Please clear up some space in your PM box. I found our message exchange amusing.
Smut Villain
03-21-06, 07:06
OwnaFord1994/James D 2004 has been pwned once again! Thank you, Jackson, for returning sanity to this forum!!!
Here's a post from an American women looking for a fool to take care of her.
I contacted her for BS sake, she wants USD3000 per month and she'll be available only twice week. Are there any takers out there.
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/ers/143895683.html
I love it. On the ad she says she's "classy......not an escort."
If it walks, looks, & quacks like a duck, it's a duck!
But then again, isn't every woman who choses/dates/marries a guy for his money a prostitute? I prefer the "pros" because they are honest about it.
Sinanju Master
03-22-06, 01:03
I sent that skank a response that will most CERTAINLY get her fired up. Basically, I told her that any man with money who has half a brain would laff in her face...
She needs some dark pussy shoved in her face.
She says she's not an escort and yet.....
The first thing she tell you is how attractive-freaky-fun she is. Then, she names her price. After that, she names her terms.
She finishes by claiming not to be an escort so don't ask for rates or availability..... right after she said she wanted $3,000/month for "her company".
This is the kind of BS that we face every single day. Some bimbo who has her reality all twisted around so that she doesn't have to accept what she really is. A wannabe high-dollar hooker with one client.
Rock
Chocha,
Is that really true? JD/ownaford was/is a pervo? Also, whatever happened with Belguel? He used to post some fairly unique photos.
Rock
Chocha Monger
03-22-06, 03:50
Rock Dog,
Visit the James D 2004's Opinions thread and you shall see where he defends fucking 16 yrs old juveniles and maintains that they are adults under the law. I shall allow his own words to speak for him on this matter.
Belguel's true identity was discovered through the photos of the Moroccan women he tortured and pissed on. He is currently doing time in Belgium after being fired from his job as a journalist with a well know newspaper. Islamic extremists have offered a reward to anyone who kills him.
Sinanju Master
03-22-06, 04:31
(celebrating OwnaPinto's "incarceration" into his own thread by breakdancing... spinning on head)
Seriously, though.... anyone hear of the female teacher in Florida who had sex with a 14 year-old boy and got off with what amounted to a slap on the wrist? The news is all about her excuse of Bipolar Disorder (lack of personal responsibility, I say). Now, reverse the sexes, and what would teacher get if he were a MAN? He'd get the feminazi masses carrying their torches and pitchforks and demanding he be put away for LIFE (and throwing away the god-damn KEY), unlike the 7-year PROBATION the FEMALE teacher got. Gentlemen, Doomsday is approaching FAST.
yea, dumbshit and i have been deliberating. i informed him that in all likelyhood, the pictures he has of his glorious, glamorous, sorority of million dollar club la streetwalkers (aka poor homeless teen runaways-i doubt he id'd them, and i am just sure they are all just precisely between 18 and 19 years old), on his hard drive very likely constitutes kiddie porn. i let him know that he has probably put out enough information on this board for le to find him if they got so inclined.
he also seems to have some confusion about the difference between age of consent, and age of majority. yes, you can, in many places (a lot of the us, great britan, inclued) have a consentual sexual relationship with a girl over the age of 16 (i understand in some places there is a limit of how many years older than she is that you can be).
however, that theoretical girl is not yet of the age of majority, and sexually graphic pictures of her are considered to be kiddie porn.
also, (i don't know this definitively, and don't feel like looking it up-i know this to be true in the czech republic), i strongly suspect that at least in the western world, in places where prostitution is legal or at least decriminalized (great britan, amsterdam) there is an age limit for prostitutes....and i doubt it is 16. actually, let me do a quick net search...age of consent.com isn't clear....looks like 18 is legal for nv....it looks like singapore and thailand are raising the minimum age to 18......here is wikipeia basically echoing my position:
"regarding the prostitution of children the laws on prostitution as well as those on sex with a child apply. if prostitution in general is legal there is usually a minimum age requirement for legal prostitution that is higher than the general age of consent (see above for some examples). although some countries do not single out patronage of child prostitution as a separate crime, same act is punishable as sex with an ****.
some ****s use sex tourism to have access to sex with children that is unavailable in their home country. cambodia has become a notorious destination for these ****s. several western countries have recently enacted laws with extraterritorial reach punishing citizens who engage in sex with minors in other countries. these laws are rarely enforced since the crime usually goes undiscovered. [2] [3] [4]"
it's 18 in the netherlands....ok i give up. i would be shocked to find out that a pro under 18 is legal in the uk (i would think it an embarassment when far less developed countries are instituting that minimum), but i can't document it.
sorry for the rambly train of thought post.
b9k
Chocha Monger
03-22-06, 06:54
sm:
yes, i heard the sad news that she will be getting off with a light touch on the wrist. frankly, i am not surprised given the history of the court's bias towards women. here you have a young blonde attractive woman who adult men, no doubt, frequently try to fuck. instead of taking them up on the offer she decides to fuck her 14 yrs old student. in a society where a woman with her looks can easily get what she wants just by suggesting that she might open her legs in return, people can't help but think that she must be crazy to fuck a little boy who has nothing to offer. beautiful young blonde fucking for free = insane. her crime of ****philia was totally lost on a large section of the public. men were too busy wishing they could fuck her, and women were too busy wishing they had her looks. the end result is that she walks free. the justice system tends to treat women like naughty children instead of the criminals they really are.
andrea yates is up for retrial, it is a good bet that her previous conviction will be over-turned. the legal system hasn't evolved to treat women and men equally in the us. it still works on the old assumption that women need to be protected by men. the truth is that men need to be protected from women. if we don't pull together and eliminate double standards for women they will never respect us as men.
first of all, stop paying for their meals, drinks and entertainment. that is the first step toward phasing out the image of men as walking atms. the second step is to stop marrying women. fuck them and throw them back into the water like fish. if men stop trying to keep women to themselves there will be more than enough pussy to go around. when men take attractive women out of the available pussy pool for long term relationships or marriage they deplete pussy resources and drive up the competition and prices for the remaining attractive women. like the ad says when men compete women win.
when guys visit many foreign countries the first thing that makes an impression on them is the large number of unattached attractive women. they try to explain it by saying that there are a larger percentage of women compared to men. the truth is that the local men are practicing good pussy resource management and female to male ratios have nothing to do with it. they practice a strict fuck and release policy regardless of how hot the woman looks. honestly, guys you don't need to fuck the same pussy twice. fucking the same pussy and pleasure is an inverse relationship where the more you fuck the same pussy the less pleasure you obtain over time.
a better way of obtaining maximum pleasure is to fuck a new pussy each time savoring the thrill of the hunt constantly. women would no longer be able to use men as a financial support system, and they would actually have to work and keep themselves fairly attractive if they want to play on the leveled playing field. such a system would be closer to man's nature.
nice post cho.
a friend of mine, a russian in his mid fifties said something to me that changed my life about three years ago:.
"woman is not the prize....man is"
granted, it is probably easier to cultivate this attitude in a country where most women are thin and beautiful, and outnumber men almost 5/4.......
b9k
adding on:
something occurred to me last night while watching a movie. my math may be a bit off, but as a guess, we are dealing with, in women **** 40, the first geneneration or two that are products of rampant divorce rates-50% plus. detrimental effects (generally speaking):
massive man bashing. mom always get kids. dad (by proxy all males) is absent and a source of funds only, either by obligation, or as he tries to "make it up" during limited visitations.
a whole lot of girls are screwed up by sexual abuse (per dr drew, it's the causation of the current bisexuality craze, as molestation causes confusion in sexual identity). i personally kind of think that a lot of causation for this is inot having a strong male presence in the house to deter sexual predators.......or even worse having them brought into the house by mom in the form of a boyfriend or stepfather.
watching mom date-mom is past her prime and loaded with baggage (kids). although there are plenty of sex starved guys out there who will take on an instant family to get some pussy, mom's first dating inclination is i'm sure going after the guys she is hot for....bad boys, cads, dramatic losers....which likely results in fucking and chucking.
Seriously, though.... anyone hear of the female teacher in Florida who had sex with a 14 year-old boy and got off with what amounted to a slap on the wrist? The news is all about her excuse of Bipolar Disorder (lack of personal responsibility, I say). Now, reverse the sexes, and what would teacher get if he were a MAN? He'd get the feminazi masses carrying their torches and pitchforks and demanding he be put away for LIFE (and throwing away the god-damn KEY), unlike the 7-year PROBATION the FEMALE teacher got. Gentlemen, Doomsday is approaching FAST.Re the hot 24 year old FLA teacher who got off from the charge of fucking her 14 year old student: the district attorney didn't want to traumatise the boy by making him testify, so he offered the teacher a plea bargain to avoid a trial. The judge rejected the deal. This happens all the time with accused males too. BTW, Mary Kay Letourneau, another hot young teacher fucked her 12 year old student repeatedly & ended up in prison for several years. The authorities are making an effort to be more even-handed after rightfully being blasted for their historical double-standard.
Sinanju Master
03-22-06, 19:52
I received a reply from Astor Bryan's poster or the ad. The eloquence of her response was limited to: "Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck you"...
This guy has been convinced by what the feminazis would like all of us to believe. I thought I share this article with you guys here.
Womenomics 101
By Joshua Holland, AlterNet. Posted March 16, 2006.
Life for women in the American workplace is far from paradise -- they face economic punishment for almost every aspect of their biology.
Women play a greater role in the American economy today than at any time since Rosie the riveter gave up making bombers for the baby boom after World War II, but American corporations -- enabled by a political class dominated by men -- continue to punish them for the high crime of being female.
The irony is that if public and corporate policies were to take the needs of working American women seriously, it wouldn't just give a boost to working families, it would also strengthen the economy; doing the right thing in this case also happens to be good for the bottom line.
The American workforce has one of the highest rates of female participation in the world. Between 1955 and 2002, the percentage of working-age women who had jobs outside the home almost doubled, while men's workforce participation fell by more than 10 percent.
That transition took place just as it became harder for a single-earner to keep a family afloat. Economist Doug Henwood showed that a worker making an average manufacturing wage had to work 62 weeks in order to earn the median family income in 1947. By 1973 that had risen to 74 weeks, and in 2001 it was 81 weeks.
So we can thank women's participation for a significant chunk of the American economy's much-vaunted "dynamism." Highly educated women entering the workforce in the 1990s added to America's "productivity miracle." Harvard economist Richard Freeman studied labor stats in 1998 and found that women moving into the workforce increased the employment rate by almost 10 percent. Forget about "business-friendly" regulatory environments and the wonders of "Rubinomics" -- that injection of fresh workers accounted for almost two-thirds of the difference between the unemployment rate in the U.S. and other advanced economies.
And women are a big part of that entrepreneurial class that we worship in this country. According to the Center for Policy Alternatives (PDF), one in four Americans now work for women-owned businesses; those firms grew at twice the rate of all new businesses between 1997 and 2002. It's part of our national edge -- American women start up almost five times as many new businesses as women in other high-income countries (PDF).
But for all they do to boost the economy, women continue to get the shaft across the American workplace. It's not just the wage gap -- which remains at around 20 percent four decades after equal wages were made the law of the land (According to the AFL-CIO, the average 25 year-old woman will lose almost a half million dollars over her working life). And it's not just the "glass ceiling" (white men make up les than a third of the workforce, but hold almost 95 percent of top corporate positions, women make up 46 percent of the workforce, but hold less than five percent). The real problem facing working women in the U.S. is that we have the most inflexible workplaces in the developed world.
According to Harvard's Project on Global Working Families (PDF), the United States is one of only five countries out of 168 studied that doesn't mandate some form of paid maternal leave. The only other advanced economy among those five was Australia's, where women are guaranteed an entire year of unpaid leave. That puts the U.S. -- the wealthiest nation on the planet -- in the company of Lesotho, Papua New Guinea, and Swaziland.
That means that women in America face a unique burden. Regardless of how enlightened we believe we are, the yoke of housework and childrearing and eldercare still fall disproportionately on women. The legendary progressive economist Marilyn Waring was the first to consider the economics of unpaid housework in the 1980s. Waring estimated that if what has traditionally been thought of as "women's work" were counted economically, it would constitute the world's single largest service and production sector.
Women haven't caught a break at home to compensate for going to work in the numbers that they have in recent decades. Suzanne Bianchi, a sociologist at the University of Maryland, studied time-use surveys and found that working mothers spent an average of 12 hours a week on child care in 2003, an hour more than stay-at-home mothers did in 1975. That double-burden constrains women's workforce participation, lowers fertility rates, and impacts the wealth of both women and two-income families in myriad ways.
Inflexible workplaces offer socially mobile women a devil's choice: they can advance in their careers or they can have families. According to BusinessWeek, female corporate execs are twice as likely to be child-free as the the female population as a whole. Those women making $100,000 dollars per year are two-and-a-half times more likely.
But more often women don't have that choice, and take the financial hit. Much of the "wage gap" is in fact a baby gap. Karen Kornbluh notes that women without children make 90 percent of what their male counterparts earn, but working mothers earn less than three quarters of what men make. A first child lowers a woman's earnings by an average of 7.5 percent, a second child by 8 percent.
It's not so much that women leave the workforce permanently to have kids, it's that when they leave their jobs for a period they can't return. That has a ripple effect across their working lives -- costing them raises, promotions and benefits. According to economist Heather Boushey at the Center for Economic Policy Studies (CEPR), "If women have paid leave they are much more likely to go back to their jobs, and much less likely to quit or switch jobs."
Leaving the workforce temporarily to have a baby or deal with a sick child or parent costs women seniority, raises and any benefits that require a lengthy stay of employment to become vested. Former Clinton advisor Gene Sperling points out that the average time a worker needs to put in to get pension benefits -- if they get them at all in our wonderful "New Economy" -- is five years. Men's average length in the same job is 5.1 years; for women it's under four. According to the AFL-CIO, "Half of all women with income from a pension in 2002 received less than $5,600 per year, compared with $10,340 per year for men."
With our uniquely inflexible workplaces, a third of women work in "non-standard" or part-time jobs with crappy benefits or none at all. All that helps explain why women over 65 are twice as likely to live in poverty than men.
And it's not just maternity leave; according to the Institute for Women's Policy Research (PDF), only half of American workers get paid sick leave and only a third get paid leave to care of a sick kid. Forget about paid leave for taking care of an ailing parent.
Pretty much every aspect of women's reproductive work is punished economically in the American workplace. And that affects all two-earner, nuclear households -- the ideal to which we're all supposed to aspire (the wage gap is estimated to cost working families $200 billion dollars per year).
But it doesn't need to be that way. We're so far behind the rest of the world (PDF) in commonsense, pro-women and pro-family policies that we don't need to reinvent the wheel to figure out what works.
In a globally competitive environment, we need expanded parental leave, universal pre- and after-school programs, more flexible work hours and time off to take care of sick kids and elderly parents. The Center for Policy Alternatives has a whole suite of measures that would help working families balance career and home (PDF).
The CEPR's Heather Boushey proposed addressing the wage gap with tax credits. A series of bills -- the "Fair Pay Act" and the "Paycheck Fairness Act" have been floated -- and defeated -- in recent years that would have enforced the fair pay laws that are already on the books.
Just about every measure to close the wage gap or mandate parental leave policies is opposed by the "dead-enders" of a cranky old patriarchy whose views are increasingly out of step with the realities of modern life and the imperatives of a global economy. When Bill Clinton managed to squeeze the Family and Medical Leave Act (FMLA) through Congress -- a brief, unpaid family leave measure for which only four in 10 workers qualify -- the late Strom Thurmond warned that similar measures in Europe had "contributed to a stagnating economy and unemployment." The Chamber of Commerce has been fighting the FMLA ever since, forming a fake grassroots group called "The National Coalition to protect Family Leave" to, well, destroy family leave legislation.
In fact, three out of four of the world's most competitive economies belong to Northern European countries with generous family leave policies, according to the World Economic Forum's annual rankings.
The truth is that family-friendly policies are also good for business. In his book, "The Pro-Growth Progressive," Gene Sperling reviewed the gains made by firms that have gotten ahead of the curve in workplace flexibility. He cited a study of 100 U.S. businesses that found that paid parental leave resulted in a 2.5 percent increase in profits. He cited another study which concluded that employees participating in one company's "work-life" programs were 45 percent more likely to say they'd "go the extra mile" for their employers than their colleagues who weren't in the program. Sperling concludes that giving employees more flexibility results in improved "motivation, making workers more productive" and ends up cutting costs by "reducing employee turnover."
The returns on investing in working families are high. The Department of Education estimates that the cost of universal after-school programs would be between $5 and $10 billion dollars annually -- the same as three to six weeks of the Iraq war. A study of a comparable program in North Carolina found that freeing up parents to work added $590 million dollars to that state's economy alone.
As is becoming increasingly common, progressives are making gains on these issues at the state level. California is leading the pack; in 2002, the state adopted a program that replaces slightly more than half of lost wages for six weeks for "any individual who is unable to work due to the need to care for an ill parent, child, spouse, or domestic partner, or for the birth, adoption, or foster care placement of a new child. According to the Institute for Women's Policy research, 21 other state legislatures are looking to follow suit. Real equal pay legislation has been introduced in at least 28 states.
It's time to nationalize the debate. Putting all these pieces together, you get a picture that puts the lie to the right's claim on "family values."
Working families have every reason to feel beleaguered by a culture that doesn't care about their values. They should have a clearly defined choice between progressive and conservative solutions; they can support the right-wingers who whine to Larry King about violence in videogames, but never do anything about it, or they can support liberals fighting for the United States to catch up with Mexico and Greece in terms of family-friendly public policy. Arguing for an economy that works for women and their families is the type of politics that once upon a time fueled the New Deal Coalition -- it's the promise of a humanist economy.
**This story has been corrected. In a previous version, the economic contribution of North Carolina's "Smart Start" program was given as $590 billion dollars.
Joshua Holland is an AlterNet staff writer.
Chocha Monger
03-23-06, 01:31
Cyberdas,
I noticed that the author attributed the childless condition of these six figure earning corporate women solely to the lack of paid maternity leave and child care etc. He failed to mention that these high paying positions more often than not require long hours on the job, lots of time on the road and very little time for a family. Obviously, the men in these positions don't get paid time off to spend with their babies, sick wife or parents, but you don't hear any complaints about that. No, men are exempt from such consideration because they don't have uteruses. Women on the other hand, women are being punished for having a pussy. Oh, the horror and injustice of it all!
It's typical women should have their cake and eat men's share fare. Apparently, these poor women don't have a choice in getting pregnant or not. Perhaps, someone held a gun to their heads and told them to make a choice between their career and having kids? I can imagine that it has nothing to do with the fact that these women enjoy competing in a high power high dollar environment and a family is only secondary to them. His argument assumes that all women want children and a family. Where are the numbers on men who don't have children, or those who have children but are absentee fathers because of all the time spent on the job.
This guy should have called his article, "Why Women Should Have It All: Equal Pay and Promotions With Less Time On The Job". I hope some woman with less time on the job walks in, gets promoted to being this guy's supervisor and bust his balls big time. Maybe then he'll pull his head out of his ass, but I doubt it.
In America women are never responsible for anything, even when they exercise free will. Deborah LaFave fucks a 14 yrs old child, she is bipolar it's not her fault. Andrea Yates chases down her children and murders them one by one with her own hands, she suffers from postpartum depression it's not her fault.
We all know who is to blame. Men.
No doubt, Cho; you nail it on the head several times (as usual). Talking about inequalities and unfairness..... yeah, right!!
I came accross the title to this book and thought I share with you fellas. Has anyone read this book?
Women Who Make the World Worse: and How Their Radical Feminist Assault Is Ruining Our Schools, Families, Military, and Workplaces
Kate O'Beirne
Here's the link to the BN.com site:
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/bookSearch/isbnInquiry.asp?r=1&isbn=1595230092
cringe to find myself on the same side of issues with sanctimonious holier than thou right wing biddies.
Of course even Michael Moore acknowleges in one of his books that the left punted it on gender issues.
Also, Chris Rock said that SANE people split the ticket on different issues. He says for example that he is very conservative on issues like crime, and very liberal in issues relating to hookers.
B9K
PS According to the guys on the Great Britan General Info board, 18 is the minimum age for a prostitute. This makes James D/Ownaford an illegal kiddyfucker.....but then we already knew this.
Member #1005
03-23-06, 18:52
B9K
PS According to the guys on the Great Britan General Info board, 18 is the minimum age for a prostitute. This makes James D/Ownaford an illegal kiddyfucker.....but then we already knew this.
Bart9000
I am not taking any sides here but you might want to check my recent Post (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=445712&postcount=78) about this subject.
I fell for a girl who lived the other side of the world - it was the start of what I thought to be a good honest relationship, now Id never ever do the same again even if she was the best thing since sliced bread. No sir.
I wasted three years in getting myself over to her and then when i was there I found a drug addicted wreck of a woman who thought that because she had this wonderful thing between her legs Id take all sorts of abuse. She was north american and one hell of a fucked up person.
Anyways I walked from that and never looked back, sometimes there are women out there that just fuck it up all the time or that life deals them the wrong cards all the time. Time to leave the casino or put a slug in the dealer.
Rugged
Bart9000
I am not taking any sides here but you might want to check my recent Post (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=445712&postcount=78) about this subject.
So James D may or may not have been prosecutable as a kiddyfucker, depending more or less on the dicretion of the judge (or whatever you have there). It was a moot point anyways...there is no way in hell that someone would bother prosecuting even the self confession of a delusional babbling idiot.
I am quite sure however, that as he is screwing teenage runaways (or per him, a glorious, glamorous, sorority of million dollar club LA streetwalkers who are PRECISELY 18 years old....."18" of course being the age that jailbait claims most often being). ,which very probably has in CA special penalties under the age of 18 above and beyond the normal solicitation charge. Also, he is snapping pictures all over the place, which most definitely constitutes kiddy porn.
Chocha Monger
03-24-06, 08:48
I wasted three years in getting myself over to her and then when i was there I found a drug addicted wreck of a woman who thought that because she had this wonderful thing between her legs Id take all sorts of abuse. She was north american and one hell of a fucked up person.
Believe it or not Hornyscot, many guys here in the US will put up with a lifetime of abuse, physical and mental, just to get a little bit of that smelly thing between her legs. Most would rather live with a b*tch from hell than go out and purchase themselves some more agreeable pussy. Then as though the abuse isn't enough they give her their last penny and thank her for calling them a bastard.
It's what a good man is supposed to do they say.
CBGBConnisur
03-24-06, 11:34
This guy has been convinced by what the feminazis would like all of us to believe. I thought I share this article with you guys here.
Womenomics 101
By Joshua Holland, AlterNet. Posted March 16, 2006.
Life for women in the American workplace is far from paradise -- they face economic punishment for almost every aspect of their biology.
Women play a greater role in the American economy today than at any time since Rosie the riveter gave up making bombers for the baby boom after World War II, but American corporations -- enabled by a political class dominated by men -- continue to punish them for the high crime of being female.
The irony is that if public and corporate policies were to take the needs of working American women seriously, it wouldn't just give a boost to working families, it would also strengthen the economy; doing the right thing in this case also happens to be good for the bottom line.
The American workforce has one of the highest rates of female participation in the world. Between 1955 and 2002, the percentage of working-age women who had jobs outside the home almost doubled, while men's workforce participation fell by more than 10 percent.
That transition took place just as it became harder for a single-earner to keep a family afloat. Economist Doug Henwood showed that a worker making an average manufacturing wage had to work 62 weeks in order to earn the median family income in 1947. By 1973 that had risen to 74 weeks, and in 2001 it was 81 weeks.
So we can thank women's participation for a significant chunk of the American economy's much-vaunted "dynamism." Highly educated women entering the workforce in the 1990s added to America's "productivity miracle." Harvard economist Richard Freeman studied labor stats in 1998 and found that women moving into the workforce increased the employment rate by almost 10 percent. Forget about "business-friendly" regulatory environments and the wonders of "Rubinomics" -- that injection of fresh workers accounted for almost two-thirds of the difference between the unemployment rate in the U.S. and other advanced economies.
And women are a big part of that entrepreneurial class that we worship in this country. According to the Center for Policy Alternatives (PDF), one in four Americans now work for women-owned businesses; those firms grew at twice the rate of all new businesses between 1997 and 2002. It's part of our national edge -- American women start up almost five times as many new businesses as women in other high-income countries (PDF).
But for all they do to boost the economy, women continue to get the shaft across the American workplace. It's not just the wage gap -- which remains at around 20 percent four decades after equal wages were made the law of the land (According to the AFL-CIO, the average 25 year-old woman will lose almost a half million dollars over her working life). And it's not just the "glass ceiling" (white men make up les than a third of the workforce, but hold almost 95 percent of top corporate positions, women make up 46 percent of the workforce, but hold less than five percent). The real problem facing working women in the U.S. is that we have the most inflexible workplaces in the developed world.
According to Harvard's Project on Global Working Families (PDF), the United States is one of only five countries out of 168 studied that doesn't mandate some form of paid maternal leave. The only other advanced economy among those five was Australia's, where women are guaranteed an entire year of unpaid leave. That puts the U.S. -- the wealthiest nation on the planet -- in the company of Lesotho, Papua New Guinea, and Swaziland.
That means that women in America face a unique burden. Regardless of how enlightened we believe we are, the yoke of housework and childrearing and eldercare still fall disproportionately on women. The legendary progressive economist Marilyn Waring was the first to consider the economics of unpaid housework in the 1980s. Waring estimated that if what has traditionally been thought of as "women's work" were counted economically, it would constitute the world's single largest service and production sector.
Women haven't caught a break at home to compensate for going to work in the numbers that they have in recent decades. Suzanne Bianchi, a sociologist at the University of Maryland, studied time-use surveys and found that working mothers spent an average of 12 hours a week on child care in 2003, an hour more than stay-at-home mothers did in 1975. That double-burden constrains women's workforce participation, lowers fertility rates, and impacts the wealth of both women and two-income families in myriad ways.
Inflexible workplaces offer socially mobile women a devil's choice: they can advance in their careers or they can have families. According to BusinessWeek, female corporate execs are twice as likely to be child-free as the the female population as a whole. Those women making $100,000 dollars per year are two-and-a-half times more likely.
But more often women don't have that choice, and take the financial hit. Much of the "wage gap" is in fact a baby gap. Karen Kornbluh notes that women without children make 90 percent of what their male counterparts earn, but working mothers earn less than three quarters of what men make. A first child lowers a woman's earnings by an average of 7.5 percent, a second child by 8 percent.
It's not so much that women leave the workforce permanently to have kids, it's that when they leave their jobs for a period they can't return. That has a ripple effect across their working lives -- costing them raises, promotions and benefits. According to economist Heather Boushey at the Center for Economic Policy Studies (CEPR), "If women have paid leave they are much more likely to go back to their jobs, and much less likely to quit or switch jobs."
Leaving the workforce temporarily to have a baby or deal with a sick child or parent costs women seniority, raises and any benefits that require a lengthy stay of employment to become vested. Former Clinton advisor Gene Sperling points out that the average time a worker needs to put in to get pension benefits -- if they get them at all in our wonderful "New Economy" -- is five years. Men's average length in the same job is 5.1 years; for women it's under four. According to the AFL-CIO, "Half of all women with income from a pension in 2002 received less than $5,600 per year, compared with $10,340 per year for men."
With our uniquely inflexible workplaces, a third of women work in "non-standard" or part-time jobs with crappy benefits or none at all. All that helps explain why women over 65 are twice as likely to live in poverty than men.
And it's not just maternity leave; according to the Institute for Women's Policy Research (PDF), only half of American workers get paid sick leave and only a third get paid leave to care of a sick kid. Forget about paid leave for taking care of an ailing parent.
Pretty much every aspect of women's reproductive work is punished economically in the American workplace. And that affects all two-earner, nuclear households -- the ideal to which we're all supposed to aspire (the wage gap is estimated to cost working families $200 billion dollars per year).
But it doesn't need to be that way. We're so far behind the rest of the world (PDF) in commonsense, pro-women and pro-family policies that we don't need to reinvent the wheel to figure out what works.
In a globally competitive environment, we need expanded parental leave, universal pre- and after-school programs, more flexible work hours and time off to take care of sick kids and elderly parents. The Center for Policy Alternatives has a whole suite of measures that would help working families balance career and home (PDF).
The CEPR's Heather Boushey proposed addressing the wage gap with tax credits. A series of bills -- the "Fair Pay Act" and the "Paycheck Fairness Act" have been floated -- and defeated -- in recent years that would have enforced the fair pay laws that are already on the books.
Just about every measure to close the wage gap or mandate parental leave policies is opposed by the "dead-enders" of a cranky old patriarchy whose views are increasingly out of step with the realities of modern life and the imperatives of a global economy. When Bill Clinton managed to squeeze the Family and Medical Leave Act (FMLA) through Congress -- a brief, unpaid family leave measure for which only four in 10 workers qualify -- the late Strom Thurmond warned that similar measures in Europe had "contributed to a stagnating economy and unemployment." The Chamber of Commerce has been fighting the FMLA ever since, forming a fake grassroots group called "The National Coalition to protect Family Leave" to, well, destroy family leave legislation.
In fact, three out of four of the world's most competitive economies belong to Northern European countries with generous family leave policies, according to the World Economic Forum's annual rankings.
The truth is that family-friendly policies are also good for business. In his book, "The Pro-Growth Progressive," Gene Sperling reviewed the gains made by firms that have gotten ahead of the curve in workplace flexibility. He cited a study of 100 U.S. businesses that found that paid parental leave resulted in a 2.5 percent increase in profits. He cited another study which concluded that employees participating in one company's "work-life" programs were 45 percent more likely to say they'd "go the extra mile" for their employers than their colleagues who weren't in the program. Sperling concludes that giving employees more flexibility results in improved "motivation, making workers more productive" and ends up cutting costs by "reducing employee turnover."
The returns on investing in working families are high. The Department of Education estimates that the cost of universal after-school programs would be between $5 and $10 billion dollars annually -- the same as three to six weeks of the Iraq war. A study of a comparable program in North Carolina found that freeing up parents to work added $590 million dollars to that state's economy alone.
As is becoming increasingly common, progressives are making gains on these issues at the state level. California is leading the pack; in 2002, the state adopted a program that replaces slightly more than half of lost wages for six weeks for "any individual who is unable to work due to the need to care for an ill parent, child, spouse, or domestic partner, or for the birth, adoption, or foster care placement of a new child. According to the Institute for Women's Policy research, 21 other state legislatures are looking to follow suit. Real equal pay legislation has been introduced in at least 28 states.
It's time to nationalize the debate. Putting all these pieces together, you get a picture that puts the lie to the right's claim on "family values."
Working families have every reason to feel beleaguered by a culture that doesn't care about their values. They should have a clearly defined choice between progressive and conservative solutions; they can support the right-wingers who whine to Larry King about violence in videogames, but never do anything about it, or they can support liberals fighting for the United States to catch up with Mexico and Greece in terms of family-friendly public policy. Arguing for an economy that works for women and their families is the type of politics that once upon a time fueled the New Deal Coalition -- it's the promise of a humanist economy.
**This story has been corrected. In a previous version, the economic contribution of North Carolina's "Smart Start" program was given as $590 billion dollars.
Joshua Holland is an AlterNet staff writer.
What a crock of shit, the usual feminazi rightwing bs, using their crusade against social injustice as a cover for their own selfish aims. An interesting report in Australia said that women are far more likely to hold racist beliefs than men. Oh and by the way, Ozzie women are good for fucking, they fall in love with your dick, but thats about it, I wouldn't marry any of them, still they are an improvement over the US females who want you to pour insane amounts of money and attention before spreading their legs. In fact, so many Australians are now marrying Asian women, luckily Australian immigration laws tend to be more migrant friendly than those in the US. Lots of fellas come back from their trips to Asia with a wife in hand.
DJ FourMoney
03-24-06, 12:18
I fell for a girl who lived the other side of the world - it was the start of what I thought to be a good honest relationship, now Id never ever do the same again even if she was the best thing since sliced bread. No sir.
I wasted three years in getting myself over to her and then when i was there I found a drug addicted wreck of a woman who thought that because she had this wonderful thing between her legs Id take all sorts of abuse. She was north american and one hell of a fucked up person.
Anyways I walked from that and never looked back, sometimes there are women out there that just fuck it up all the time or that life deals them the wrong cards all the time. Time to leave the casino or put a slug in the dealer.
Rugged
Your smarter than alot of men let me tell you...
I have started Project "Hit The Ground Running" today and more to come in the next several days and weeks before my trip to Europe.
I'm through wasting time with AW, but I'm not foolish enough to think that westernized European women will be any different. I do believe that I connect with some of them on a different level than I have here. Honestly save for 2 or 3 women, the most attractive women I have ever talked too, dated or chatted with online have been from Europe, mostly from Germany and the UK.
So I'm attacking "overseas" using the internet as my weapon of choice with both barrels blazin!
I should be getting some feedback as soon as this afternoon, we shall see.
Doctor_Skank
03-24-06, 12:32
DJ4Money:
Just a thought on your internet campaign. I usually prepare before my trips as well with a carpet-bombing internet campaign and have found that if I "overprepare" or start the campaign too early, I run into the following potential pitfalls:
1) interest wanes with time as "D-Day" is too distant
2) overscheduling. What happens when you suddenly have three dates on the same night? The fatigue factor is also involved, first dates are often draining... having 6 first dates in 3 days is mentally draining and it even becomes hard to keep the info straight
3) overexpectation. Of course your goal is sex, but if you communicate with a girl for too long and she takes the bait, she may actually get very attached to you and expect more than the holiday romp you are planning on. This may actually make her less likely to put out on a first or second date. Girls inherently understand that "boyfriend" and "husband" material doesnt want a girl that puts out too quick. This may not be true, I don't hold it against a girl if she lets passion get out of control and we bang on opening night, but many girls actually hold out longer on the guys they are serious about.
Just a couple of thoughts.
Everybody has a different modus operandi, but I prefer to start my campaign no sooner than 3 weeks before D-Day and usually actually just 1 week before, so I meet her when her interest has peaked and before she can start to think about a serious relationship.
If you have the time and energy though, perhaps your MO will be equally effective. In any case, I am looking forward to hearing your reports after your Eurotour!
I got this info from another board. This is unbelievable!!!!
Well, since I'm too wuss to have actually complained to the girl, and I wouldn't talk about it with my friends:
OMG, don't EVER call "Alley" from the Creative Loafing ads!
I don't know if you'd call me a hobbyist, but I'm just one of the desperate types who wants to get laid with an American girl. I've done the Asian spas a couple of times, and they're actually pretty good but I wanted to change things up. I probably see somebody once every couple of months, have been for like the past 8 years unless I'm dating a girl, which isn't that often. I've used Eros before too, and most of them were good experiences, but lately, every time I try calling someone, there's nobody available; and then there are the types who only want older rich guys to call, so I don't bother.
So, I called Alley, the picture in the ad describing her as a youngish brunette, with the words "busty" and something. The ad really didn't say much, but it was in with all the others, so I figured it wouldn't be too much of a gamble as far as what I'd be getting. She said to meet her at her location, yadda yadda. 250 bucks, which I thought was the standard going price for an hour. This was after work, so I had to get through all kinds of horrendous traffic, get some cash, find her place. She was staying on a high-up floor in some tower in the perimeter area, where the concierge actually asked what my business there was and made me sign in and all that shit.
When I finally met her outside the elevator, she was actually pretty hot. She looked nothing like the photo, but was blonde, very pretty face, certainly not "busty" but otherwise had a stripper body. First thing out of her mouth was "pay up", before we even got in the door. She asked if I was armed and so forth, then spent the next ten minutes trying to round up her dog, and saying "don't walk there, the dog puked on that spot". Her apartment was rather bare, so I guessed she must be just there temporarily, or just moving in town and trying to get on her feet. So, there was no music or candles or anything that the better escorts usually have, she just told me to get naked and lay down on her air mattress, so I did. She didn't though, 'except her t shirt and thong.
No massage or anything, she just put a condom on me before I was even hard, and started immediately with the HJ. I'm 31 years old, not 16, so a HJ is only good for about a minute, but after about five minutes of awkward, uncomfortable struggle, I asked her "Is this all you do?", and she replies "oh yeah, it's strictly massage only." First of all, 250 bucks is waaay too much for a "massage" where there was absolutely no massage, I don't care how much of it you have to give to an agency. Plus, the ad didn't mention an agency so I kind of assumed she was an independant, my bad.
I told her I was sorry, I should have discussed the details a little more before agreeing, and she actually said "Well, I wouldn't have told you anything because we can't discuss it over the phone", so does that mean I was supposed to talk about it outside the elevator right before handing over my money? So at this point, I don't even care anymore, there's no good time to be had, I just tried to cum so I could get some sort of money's worth, and also, like an idiot, she wouldn't feel bad or something. But, when you're too occupied about being scammed out of money, it's too hard to concentrate and cum. Nothing erotic about it.
See, I'm not looking for a total GFE, but I don't want something Cold and Clinical either. Hot as she was, she was kind of retarded, unfriendly and not outgoing.
I kind of worry for her in a way, because she could get some big a-hole for a customer sometime who would not be so nice after being told that their $250 isn't getting them anything.
Lesson learned: I know it's TS for me, 'cos I didn't find a way to work out the details beforehand, but basically, never ever use the vague ads. Total scam
Schmilblick
03-24-06, 15:44
I don't want to come back on the whole Belguel issue and his rather despicable behavior but just to get the facts straight: he did not "torture" woman (albeit morally maybe) and he is not currently "doing time in Belgium" (or anywhere else fot that matter..). The rest is accurate.
Rock Dog,
Visit the James D 2004's Opinions thread and you shall see where he defends fucking 16 yrs old juveniles and maintains that they are adults under the law. I shall allow his own words to speak for him on this matter.
Belguel's true identity was discovered through the photos of the Moroccan women he tortured and pissed on. He is currently doing time in Belgium after being fired from his job as a journalist with a well know newspaper. Islamic extremists have offered a reward to anyone who kills him.
It's not surprising at all.The american escort thing has been over since the early 90's if you ask me.I hate to say it but america is unbearable. Everything is a scam here.Have you dealt with american companies lately? If they can work you for your money and get away with it they will ie. cell phone companies,apple,bank fees .We need to realize that we are in a desperate situation there is no bright side to it.Women have a commodity they think they can up sell.I say feed the masses then eat with the classes...anycase I'd rather go foreign for pussy anyway.
I'd love for american escorts to actually read these posts and see how stupid they are handling their business.The previous post from craigs list is a classic example.
I fell for a girl who lived the other side of the world - it was the start of what I thought to be a good honest relationship, now Id never ever do the same again even if she was the best thing since sliced bread. No sir.
I wasted three years in getting myself over to her and then when i was there I found a drug addicted wreck of a woman who thought that because she had this wonderful thing between her legs Id take all sorts of abuse. She was north american and one hell of a fucked up person.
Rugged
I strongly disagree with DJ 4M that you are smarter than a lot of other men.
From what you write, it seems you spent 3 years corresponding with a woman without ever meeting her. You need to meet the women not long after starting to correspond with them. Take note of Dr. Skank's post. He meets the women within **3 weeks** of writing to them.
If you corresponded with a woman for 3 years and couldn't tell that she was a drug addict, them you cannot be smart, or you have problems as serious as hers. The vast majority of men I have met and read on these forums, can tell within **MINUTES** if a woman has her head on straight or not. Drug addicts can't keep their thoughts organized so they ramble when they speak and write. They lie but can't remember their lies so they frequently slip and contradict themselves.
That you didn't / couldn't detect these types of clues over 3 years says more about you than about foreign women.
Chocha Monger
03-24-06, 20:17
Astor Bryan,
That has to be the most expensive hand job on record. The poor bastard paid $250 dollars for a covered hand job. He should have have known that he was about to be robbed though, there were plenty of warning signs; the "pay up" before even getting into the door and the question as to whether he was armed or not. He should have walked away at the door, but he was too horny and not thinking straight. That's exactly how American women love a man because a horny bastard and his money are soon parted.
At least the guy was smart enough to realize the part his own stupidity played in him getting ripped off. However, he goes too far in making excuses for this hand job bandit. He's being blatantly robbed and he is worried about trying to cum so that she doesn't feel bad; he then postulates that she is kind of retarded that is why she has this obvious scam to take his money. To make matters worse, he is worried about her safety should some asshole decide not to be as passive as he was when she attempts to pull the same shit.
Amazing isn't it? Something has to be wrong with this picture. The woman was a con artist who just bilked the guy out of $250 dollars. She anticipated the fact that he would be unhappy with what he was getting, or not getting rather, for his money. She made sure that she got the money up front and that he was not armed before she let him know he that he wasn't getting anything. That doesn't sound like a clueless retard to me, it sounds more like smart thief. Perhaps, if he was armed with a .357 magnum she would have decided to change her game plan and fucked the shit out of him to avoid trouble.
The point is in typical American fashion this guy remained polite and considerate of this woman's feelings while she took him for a sucker. If they can get away with this behavior why would they change, especially when the person on the receiving end makes excuses for them?
Frankypanky
03-25-06, 01:40
My dearest (poor...;)) American fellow-mongers/men,
I just had a very serious conversation with a good friend (albeit being very drunk, anyway...:D). It was about women being far more hypocrite than men because of the following;
Women demand RESPECT from men, but do not SHOW/GIVE respect to men...
Agreed or not??
BTW, I asked a girl (being drunk, so what..:D) the same question and her reply was that she respected ANYONE for being human, but could not give an example of how she would show her respect to me! While woman (mostly in the West) literally want men to behave in a particular way...
Sumimazen-Holland (that's Europe..)
I strongly disagree with DJ 4M that you are smarter than a lot of other men.
From what you write, it seems you spent 3 years corresponding with a woman without ever meeting her. You need to meet the women not long after starting to correspond with them. Take note of Dr. Skank's post. He meets the women within **3 weeks** of writing to them.
If you corresponded with a woman for 3 years and couldn't tell that she was a drug addict, them you cannot be smart, or you have problems as serious as hers. The vast majority of men I have met and read on these forums, can tell within **MINUTES** if a woman has her head on straight or not. Drug addicts can't keep their thoughts organized so they ramble when they speak and write. They lie but can't remember their lies so they frequently slip and contradict themselves.
That you didn't / couldn't detect these types of clues over 3 years says more about you than about foreign women.
George,
A point of clarification-I believe the gentleman who wrote this is a foreign national. His drug addicted bimbo is one of ours. I agree with you that after that much time, you should be able to catch inconsistencies (don't ignore them when you do)....the analytical skills that allow you to do that appear to be a basic survival skill. Also, becoming educated about the culture of the person you are corresponding with can be helpful. For example, in Russian culture, the usage of the term "Dear" is HIGHLY intimate, and likely wouldn't be used at least until after you have fucked....if someone is calling you that in your third letter, alarm bells should be going off.
I will however heartily agree with the sentiment that there is absolutely no fucking reason to have a lengthy correspondence relationship (we covered this on the MFW board). In doing so, you are taking endless hours and hours of your valuable time writing to someone who you may discover in real life isn't actually a girl, doesn't exist, isn't attracted to you physically, or has a hidden physical defect you can't live with (I mentioned before-I have seen black rotten teeth on the 19 year old son of an important USSR party member).
I think that Dr. S and DJ have the right idea.
B9K
George,
A point of clarification-I believe the gentleman who wrote this is a foreign national. His drug addicted bimbo is one of ours.
B9K
I gathered that. However, I felt living on the "other side of the world" meant that the AW was living OUTSIDE the US. I assumed HornyScot lives in Scotland.
After I posted, I thought that maybe HS was really a female troll looking to disparage foreign women.
I checked his other posts. He APPEARS to be on the level.
Kind of a funny thing. I just joined a gym, in an attempt to kill the beer belly, which has unfortunately gotten a little bigger through a little bout of work stress, and a couple weeks of partial unemployment. As I already have big, but "sloppy" muscles, and as mentioned, a beer gut, I kind of tend to do a "girls workout"....lots of cardio, and maybe a little high reps, low weight on the machines (disclamer of manliness-I could at one point bench 300).....followed by hanging out in the steamroom. I used to be a little self conscious, as some gym rat would walk by on his way back to the "iron". Now I hold my head up high, as I strut back to the sauna, because I know that if these guys knew what my life was like, relative to theirs (running off to Europe to nail hot 18-19 year old girls, no screaming kids, no naging wife who doesn't put out, no honey-do list.....), they would switch places with me in a second....beer gut and all
CBGBConnisur
03-25-06, 05:46
Your smarter than alot of men let me tell you...
I have started Project "Hit The Ground Running" today and more to come in the next several days and weeks before my trip to Europe.
I'm through wasting time with AW, but I'm not foolish enough to think that westernized European women will be any different. I do believe that I connect with some of them on a different level than I have here. Honestly save for 2 or 3 women, the most attractive women I have ever talked too, dated or chatted with online have been from Europe, mostly from Germany and the UK.
So I'm attacking "overseas" using the internet as my weapon of choice with both barrels blazin!
I should be getting some feedback as soon as this afternoon, we shall see.
Western European women aren't much different than your average AW in terms of their mental disposition. On the surface they maybe slimmer and more attractive, and on inital contact they maybe nicer but they are still Western women, and laws in Europe are just as bad as in the US with regards to divorce. Eastern Europe is a different ballgame, but as Dirk Dingy pointed out, be ready to live a hand to mouth existence, which I do agree is the case having visited some parts of the CIS and EE. This is the main reason why I won't be headng out to Asia any time soon.
Western European women aren't much different than your average AW in terms of their mental disposition. On the surface they maybe slimmer and more attractive, and on inital contact they maybe nicer but they are still Western women, and laws in Europe are just as bad as in the US with regards to divorce. Eastern Europe is a different ballgame, but as Dirk Dingy pointed out, be ready to live a hand to mouth existence, which I do agree is the case having visited some parts of the CIS and EE. This is the main reason why I won't be headng out to Asia any time soon.But they are good for fucking and STRs right?
DJ FourMoney
03-25-06, 14:48
DJ4Money:
Just a thought on your internet campaign. I usually prepare before my trips as well with a carpet-bombing internet campaign and have found that if I "overprepare" or start the campaign too early, I run into the following potential pitfalls:
1) interest wanes with time as "D-Day" is too distant
2) overscheduling. What happens when you suddenly have three dates on the same night? The fatigue factor is also involved, first dates are often draining... having 6 first dates in 3 days is mentally draining and it even becomes hard to keep the info straight
3) overexpectation. Of course your goal is sex, but if you communicate with a girl for too long and she takes the bait, she may actually get very attached to you and expect more than the holiday romp you are planning on. This may actually make her less likely to put out on a first or second date. Girls inherently understand that "boyfriend" and "husband" material doesnt want a girl that puts out too quick. This may not be true, I don't hold it against a girl if she lets passion get out of control and we bang on opening night, but many girls actually hold out longer on the guys they are serious about.
Just a couple of thoughts.
Everybody has a different modus operandi, but I prefer to start my campaign no sooner than 3 weeks before D-Day and usually actually just 1 week before, so I meet her when her interest has peaked and before she can start to think about a serious relationship.
If you have the time and energy though, perhaps your MO will be equally effective. In any case, I am looking forward to hearing your reports after your Eurotour!
1) I find that somewhat true, however my attention span is somewhat longer than a 30 second tv ad, so I can keep my interested focused. However that runs directly into point 3, I'll get back to that in second...
2) Can be a problem and I'm already seeing it! Got a reply back in less than few hours and she's all over a brotha like white on rice. In fact as I write this she's still talking to me! That's number 1, number 2 should be hitting me up within the next 24 hours Im sure. That solves one problem however, where I'm staying for free in Germany....
3) In my limited sampling, I find that they still put out, regardless. I however am not cold hearted and it does bother me a bit if a women is really attached. I kinda thought it would be funny if I ended up engaged upon my return to the States. I can see that's ENTIRELY POSSIBLE...
Back to point number 2, all that smoozin can get in the way of mongering research, which I honestly do want to do while ova there. Its the least I can do for the information this board has provided.
Though I have often found that in most reports that involve both non-pros and pros, that the pursuit of the non-pros is often entertaining and interesting.
So I plan in providing an in-depth report....
I've been following your trip planning for awhile...may I add my two cents if you dont mind.
I think careful planning is extremley important so you have an idea of what your getting into and what you want out of it but I also feel it can have a negative impact.When you travel you need the ability to be flexible.I used to book my hotel for two weeks in advance so I'd have the security of knowing I have a place.Meanwhile when I got to wherever I was going I always found better options for less but I was stuck with my prior commitment.
I've learned to book a room only for a few days then venture off into the unknown which has been extremley rewarding.I suggest you do the same.
These days I grab a few notes from this board written on an index card that I carry around and I'm off..make sure to have a pen with you at all times and dont forget to learn about the culture..helps with getting women.
You must be really excited to venture off.I hope it serves you well.
Is it me or do most good looking AW who loves sex are lesbians?
Chocha Monger
03-26-06, 01:27
Western European women aren't much different than your average AW in terms of their mental disposition. On the surface they maybe slimmer and more attractive, and on inital contact they maybe nicer but they are still Western women, and laws in Europe are just as bad as in the US with regards to divorce...
CBGBConnisur,
You are quite right about Western European women, once you scratch beneath the surface their mentality is not much different from American women. Sweden is a typical example of this. The main difference between the two groups is that American women, unlike Western European women, were able to put the sexual liberation genie back into the bottle before it did too much damage.
In their quest for "equality" American women declared that they had the right to fuck anyone they wished without emotional attachment. This resulted in the free love era of the 1960's. Then women realized that men were perfectly content to fuck women without any strings attached; women had given up the one thing that gave them power over men, their pussy. They soon went back to treating pussy as a rare precious commodity that men should trade their lives and earnings for. Eventually, they fashioned a system that they were able to live with, one where they kept all of the privileges from the old system and gained all of the benefits from the new but without the added responsiblities and obligations.
Of course, there are some exceptions like Spain and Greece.
DJ FourMoney
03-26-06, 07:06
Artisttyp -
What you stress should be taken to heart by all who consider traveling abroad.
Keep your options wide open. I already have done a ton of research on hotels around where I'll be in general and while I haven't reserved a room yet, it will be only for my first couple of days over there. Make sure the hotel your staying at meet your needs. If you use this board often, I suggest you take at least a connected PDA with you or a smallish laptop, leave the 17" Media Center monster on your desk at home.
Should I mention, that same PDA can provide GPS directions to various locations in Europe? If you haven't checked out Garmin's latest offerings your doing yourself a dis-service.
You also don't have to get trapped into using public transport if your going to be there for a few weeks. I would HIGHLY suggest your first driving adventure in Europe not be ENGLAND if your from the US or anyplace where they drive on the rightside of the road and left side of the car.
I have noticed that alot of the FKK's in Germany are somewhat off the beaten path so to speak and put you several blocks away from the entry when you take public trams or buses. My days of walking miles to a place are over, I barely walk to the 7-11 two blocks from here... I walked around downtown Toronto this time last year and dispite being under 15 degrees most of my time spent there, it wasn't so bad but I know what carrying a 10-12lbs laptop now feels like and using public transport. So can't stress that enough, leave your big media center PC at home or back in your hotel. A PDA will give you all the directions, notes and even entertainment you need for a reasonable investment and slide in your pocket.
Okay enough of the travel tips, even though its not covered enough I don't think.
CBGBConnisur -
We have agreed and disagreed the time I have spent here and I value your opinion. I do agree that Western European women aren't that much of an improvement over American women, I will say that in every case that I have been in contact with women from either Canada, Mexico, Europe or even China or Japan, they respect the type of person I am. One of the first 20 questions they ask is NOT how much I make or where I live.
Maybe its because I'm black or I chase women I know date black men exclusively?? I dunno, but YMMV whenever it comes to non-pros, even more so then pro's as they are suppose to treat every customer equally.
All I can convay is my personal experience and while very, very limited internationally, it can't be THAT much different than the women I have met over the years that have traveled to visit or even stay in the US. Having had direct contact with several Germans and I met some very attractive girls from Beligum not too long ago, I can say they are different than their American counterparts in alot of respects and not just the fact they have accents. I'd say its really how much they have been speaking english. #1 called me this afternoon and if you didn't know she was in Germany you would have thought you were talking to another American....
I think some posters prefer non-english speakers for several reasons not mentioned here. That goes with the the notion that "A Women should only been seen and not heard from". I guess some men like the ideal of being his woman's interupter when she visits the States. I think that would be a drag honestly. Nothin like trying to explain to Ma what the hell your girl just said or the embrasement of not having full understanding of the newances of American English.
Obivously I might be looking at things with rose colored glasses on, but I don't fall for the "okkie-doke" so easily and I'm much more sneaky than any women thought she could be. In our click its a value to us to look at women as our adversaries and try to out think them at ever possible turn. My boy S**** had an ex that was of HIGH IQ caliber and she really had a handle on how men think. It was very hard to tell her stories or outwit her and it rarely happen, but we relished such victories.
She's a porn star now actually and a well-known one as well. Not one of the drug addicted drama Queens out there that populate the industry. Just ask Semore Butts.
But I digress... :D
If I have a bad time in Europe or anyplace else its entirely my fault. Not the fault of the women I met or the places I travel... P4P or not.
DJ FourMoney
03-26-06, 07:09
Is it me or do most good looking AW who loves sex are lesbians?
Its you.. You should get out more.
Is it me or do most good looking AW who loves sex are lesbians?
It's you. You should do as DJ 4M suggests. It seems to me that you are taking porn movies FAR too seriously! LOL!
All I can convay is my personal experience and while very, very limited internationally, it can't be THAT much different than the women I have met over the years that have traveled to visit or even stay in the US.
DJ 4M,
I think you are incorrect. It CAN be THAT much different! I perceive an error in your thinking. Your experiences with foreign women, by your own admission, are primarily with visitors to the US. It has NOT been you visiting the foreign woman's country and interacting with her there. Consequently, there are 2 logical errors in your post to CBGB below.
The first is that those women who have the means and the inclination to travel to the US are NOT a representative sample of the women in their home countries. You seem to believe they are. Regular inter-continental travelers generally have more disposable income and fewer financial responsibilities than non-regular intercontinental travelers. They, generally, also are willing to take more risks, or are capable of better evaluating risk, than non-travellers.
The second logical error is that the behavior of a person outside his own country is NOT identical to his behavior within his own country. You seem to believe that it is. I will use us men as an example. We go to other countries and engage in monger behavior. Do we, would we, could we, engage in identical monger behavior here in the US in the cities we live in ???? NO!!! The same applies to the foreign women you are meeting here in the US. Their behavior as tourists/visitors to the US is very different from what their behavior is in their home countries. To see what that is you must go to their home country and observe it directly.
To sum, your interactions with foreign women here in the US are not representative of foreign women generally because the women you are meeting are not representative of foreign women generally, and their behavior here is not representative of their general regular behavior. When you go to their countries and interact with them there, you will see a much more representative behavior towards you. You will see what proportion of the travelling woman are to the general poulation. You will see what proportion the risk-takers / better risk evaluators are to the general poulation. You will see how the general population treats Americans when they are visitors to their own countries. You will see how the general population treats Blacks. You will see how the general population reacts to you when you are mongering for sex and when you are looking for a girlfriend / wife. Remember now, they will KNOW that you will be ogling THEIR daughters, THEIR sisters, THEIR cousins, THEIR nieces, THEIR friends in THEIR country!
Lastly, local women have their reputations to guard. They will be MUCH pickier about the men they have sex with or are even seen with, because they might need to explain it to someone they know. Visitors have no such constraints. What happens in Vegas, STAYS in Vegas!!!
Also remember that Europe is having a crisis of racial/religious/ethnic identity right now. There are slews of African immigrants in all European countries, many working as prostititues or in organized crime gangs. There is a flood of immigrants from the recently admitted EU countries and applicant countries, such as Turkey. Muslims are angry over the recent cartoons of Mohammad and the anti-terror security measures directed at them. France has had difficulties with the enforcement of rules prohibiting religious clothing in public schools (ie head wear). Jean-Marie Le Pen is popular again. There was the murder of a filmmaker in the Netherlands 2 years ago over a religious film. Germany still has problems with racist skinheads. This is the cauldron that you, a Black American, is plunging into in search of pussy. Those European women are going to use it and you to get the security they want the same way that AW use it and us to get the security they want.
I think your upcoming trip is going to be a real education for you!
Sinanju Master
03-26-06, 17:22
your last post told me nothing I didn't already know (not bashing you, BTW). Whenever I travel overseas, I never get my hopes up, but I DO take unexpected surprises as the gifts they are. Regarding the xenophobic behavior you described, that can also be seen here in the US, but on a much subtler level where race is concerned. Being a black American overseas is at times, doubly pleasurable or perilous, depending upon where you are. It is an INSTANT way to weed out those that you don't wanna hook up with (short term fuck or long term relationship). DJ4M, just relax on your travels and don't EXPECT your goal to drop into your lap. I've found that trying to force your goal to happen is like trying to punch smoke. Sit back, relax, and the smoke will "envelope" YOU.
Chocha Monger
03-26-06, 19:56
DJ4M:
All mongers, regardless of race, class or creed, accept a certain level of risk when on an excursion in search of pussy. Depending on your destination specific threats may vary in prominence; however, disease, violence and theft are always real possibilities.
Racist attitudes in Europe are not greater than those you can find in the deep Southern states of the USA. Slavery has left a legacy of acrimony and distrust between black and white in this country. Since racism was not institutionalized in Europe to the degree that it has been here you will most likely find the women more open to being stuffed by some black balls.
Take Sinanju Master's advice and leave any preconceived notions that you might have about your destination at home. Give the people you meet a chance to be judged on the way they treat you and not according to media reports and rumors about their countries.
Doctor_Skank
03-26-06, 20:20
"Take Sinanju Master's advice and leave any preconceived notions that you might have about your destination at home. Give the people you meet a chance to be judged on the way they treat you and not according to media reports and rumors about their countries"
That is great advice.
G90 is also right about women behaving differently on holiday than they would at home as well, however German women really are pretty laid back about interracial dating, at least superficially I regularly see interracial couples when in Germany. There is also a certain degree of reverse trophy hunting going on, as within certain social circles having a black boyfriend is considered pretty cool, or at least something to be tried out of curiousity... the same goes for German guys who lust after Brazilians, Cubans and their perception of "exotic fruit".
One comment on the GI effect...
Around US bases, or where US bases used to be, there are white German women who exclusively date black guys... whether or not you want anything to do with them is up to you. These girls are called "mud sharks", its what the black GIs called these girls anyway, and they do get around. If your female contacts speak English too well, or with a black accent, and comes from the areas of Frankfurt, Stuttgart, Wuerzburg or Kaiserslautern, I'd at least be "cautious" of her past, especially if she has kids. There are plenty of "fatherless" mulatto kids in Germany, which is just as much a result of GI "fire and forget "attitudes as the German's religious belief in social welfare and feminism. I'm not demonizing these girls, but it is a real phenomenon in certain parts of Germany.
If you come to Germany with an open attitude, chances are you'll be very well-received. Germans aren't as cold or xenophobic as often perceived and there certainly aren't many skinheads in WESTERN Germany. In bigger cities being black isnt such a novelty anymore at all actually. American blacks (or UK blacks for that matter) will generally be much better received than off the boat Africans, who are generally viewed as drug dealers, freeloaders and troublesome... stereotypes they seem to have no problem living up to.
As for pros treating every customer equally, I wouldnt count on it. I've been to FKKs and seen some black guys being purposely avoided by certain girls, especially Russians and Ukrainians. This doesnt mean all EE girls are going to avoid black guys, but dont be surprised if some do. Germans and most other girls, such as Dominicans or Brazilians, are considerably more liberal.... but I doubt you are coming to Europe to bang sistas... :)
You sound like you are going to mix both non-pro and pro pursuits, which is definitely the best way to go.
DJ FourMoney
03-27-06, 03:54
DJ4M:
All mongers, regardless of race, class or creed, accept a certain level of risk when on an excursion in search of pussy. Depending on your destination specific threats may vary in prominence; however, disease, violence and theft are always real possibilities.
Racist attitudes in Europe are not greater than those you can find in the deep Southern states of the USA. Slavery has left a legacy of acrimony and distrust between black and white in this country. Since racism was not institutionalized in Europe to the degree that it has been here you will most likely find the women more open to being stuffed by some black balls.
Take Sinanju Master's advice and leave any preconceived notions that you might have about your destination at home. Give the people you meet a chance to be judged on the way they treat you and not according to media reports and rumors about their countries.
My expectation have always been low as to not be disapointed by something unless it was REALLY disapointing and out of control.
My slate is clean, its a new experience and I'm looking forward too it.
Sinanju Master
03-27-06, 04:03
Then, prepared are you, young Padawan to undertake the mongering journey! May the Force be with you!
DJ FourMoney
03-27-06, 04:24
Then, prepared are you, young Padawan to undertake the mongering journey! May the Force be with you!
I shall not disgrace the family honor....
The only acceptible way to uphold your family honour is .....
Have a ton of fun AND take a lot of pictures!
Rock
A successful man is one who makes more money than his wife can spend.
A successful woman is one who can find herself such a man.
Rock
CBGBConnisur
03-28-06, 05:14
German women are probably the most open Western women when it comes to mixed race dating. Canadian and Australian women might come up to close to them. Dutch women seem to have similar patterns. Still if you want a woman who will really wait on you, the best place is the former Eastern bloc, Latin America, and Asia.
Europeans would see other races as a novelty and they would love to sample a person of another race. Here, in the US, not only is racism deep rooted in AWs, but they ar tired of seeing so many people of other nationalities flock to the US for opportunity. There are much more unwary people from other lands that come to the US because it is overhyped by their media and Europe and other lands are less popular. Since fewer people of other races go to Europe, Europeans don't have enough foreigners and it is easier for a person of a different race to hook up with their women. However, there are exceptions that are similar to the US attitudes. Tirks are disliked in Germany because there are so many of them. Same problem as the blacks and Asians in the US. There are so many that American Caucasians are tired of them! Also American Blacks and Asians are tired of each other. The Jews were many in germany back during World War II so the Germans also got tired of them and hated them to the point they wanted to kill them. We have the same problem here in the US with the KKK because they see minorities as a threat of domination in the US because they think there are too many of us.
I'd say feminism is also the cause of Sex Prison in the USA.
Growing Up to Be Boys
By Lakshmi Chaudhry, In These Times. Posted March 23, 2006.
When CBS unveiled its short-lived series "Love Monkey" in January, leading male television critics could barely contain their enthusiasm. The New York Times' Alessandra Stanley was far less impressed, especially with its lead male character, thirty-something music producer Tom Farrell, whose "endearing foibles" included "self-absorption, wanting what he cannot have and an inability to commit."
Based on the eponymous 2004 novel by Kyle Smith, "Love Monkey" offered the latest iteration of "lad-lit," a genre popularized by the likes of Nick Hornby, whose novels inevitably featured a confused, neurotic, discontented man-boy being dragged kicking and screaming into adulthood, usually by his girlfriend.
But where "lad lit" authors disguise the dumbing-down of adult masculinity with witty prose, advertising executives are less subtle. Commercials for cell phones, fast food, beer and deodorants offer up an infantilized version of masculinity that has become ubiquitous since the rise of "lad" culture in the '90s. These grown men act like boys -- and are richly rewarded for it. A recent cell phone ad, for example, features a guy who responds to being dumped by his girlfriend -- because "you're never going to grow up" -- by playing, on his cell phone, an '80s pop song that tells her to get lost. Of course, this immediately earns him the attention of a younger, prettier woman walking by.
While these ads pretend to mirror a male fantasy -- say, of walking down the wedding aisle armed with a six-pack of Bud Light -- they in fact reflect a corporate executive's dream customer: a man-boy who is more likely to remain faithful to their product than to his wife.
This shift in the dominant image of manhood is most evident in the evolution of the so-called "Family Man." The benevolent patriarch of the '50s has been replaced by an adult teenager who spends his time sneaking off to hang out with the boys, eyeing the hot chick over his wife's shoulder, or buying cool new toys. Like a fourteen-year-old, this guy can't be trusted with the simplest of domestic tasks, be it cooking dinner for the kids or shopping for groceries.
These pop culture images are all the more striking because they directly contradict the experiences of men in the real world. Women may still bear the greater burden of domestic work, but American males today do more at home than their fathers, and are happy doing it. According to the Families and Work Institute, the percentage of college-educated men who said they wanted to move into jobs with more responsibility fell from 68 percent to 52 percent between 1992 and 2002. A Radcliffe Public Policy Center report released in 2000 found that 70 percent of men between the ages of 21 to 39 were willing to sacrifice pay and lose promotions in exchange for a work schedule that allowed them to spend more time with their families.
Yet popular culture continues to fetishize the traditional, '50s model of masculinity, but in a distilled form -- kick-ass machismo stripped of the accompanying values of honor, duty and loyalty. We seem to have carried with us the unreconstructed sexism of the past -- the objectification of women, inability to connect or communicate -- but discarded its redeeming virtues. Where traditional masculinity embraced marriage, children and work as rites of passage into manhood, the 21st century version shuns them as emasculating, with the wife cast in the role of the castrating mother. The result resembles a childlike fantasy of manhood that is endowed with the perks of adulthood -- money, sex, freedom -- but none of its responsibilities.
At least part of this image is rooted in a real cultural trend, according to State University of New York at Stony Brook sociology professor Michael Kimmel. His upcoming book, Guyland, argues that men "are resisting becoming men longer and longer," doing their best to postpone all the decisions that mark the passage into adulthood -- getting a job, moving out of their parents' home, getting married, and having kids -- in order to enjoy the lad lifestyle of "online porn, drinking, and poker." This trend has its big-screen avatar in the hero of the film "Failure To Launch," which stars Matthew McConaughey as a thirty-something slacker whose desperate parents "hire the gorgeous and talented girl of his dreams to get him to move out of the house."
More significantly, however, this resistance to adulthood is closely associated with a market-driven consumerist culture that feeds and sustains a Peter Pan version of masculinity. "To be grown up is to be settled, comfortable, stable, responsible, and secure," Kimmel says. "Those are bad conditions for advertising, which depends on our sense of insecurity, anxiety, and incompleteness."
The market also has little time for the old-fashioned male virtue of self-denial, the imperative to do the "right thing" at the expense of pleasure. A stoic John Wayne has been replaced by the "metrosexual," a man who is all about self-indulgence and defined almost entirely by his wallet. At the beauty salon, designer boutique or exclusive health club, a metrosexual spends, therefore he is.
Susan Faludi foreshadowed the rise of the metrosexual in her 1999 book, Stiffed: The Betrayal of the American Man, which describes an "ornamental culture" that tells men "manhood is displayed, not demonstrated. The internal qualities once said to embody manhood -- sure-footedness, inner strength, confidence of purpose -- are merchandised to men to enhance their manliness. What passes for the essence of masculinity is being extracted and bottled and sold back to men. Literally, in the case of Viagra."
Before it was hijacked by marketing gurus to peddle body lotions and pedicures, British author Mark Simpson coined the word "metrosexual" in 1994 to connote an "epochal shift" to a narcissistic form of mediated masculinity; a man who "has clearly taken himself as his own love object and pleasure as his sexual preference."
Contrary to popular understanding -- fueled by conservatives who are fond of caricaturing liberals as well-coiffed and manicured wimps -- Simpson does not define the metrosexual as particularly feminine or even gay, but as "a collector of fantasies about the male sold to him by the media." Thus George W. Bush strutting around on an aircraft carrier is every bit as metrosexual as a teen idol like Orlando Bloom. In a media universe ruled by marketing gods, "the traditional forms and sufferings of stoic, self-denying, self-sacrificing old-fashioned masculinity are merely cutesy, quaint props for the new, aestheticised, moisturized self-regarding variety." In the new millenium, it's more important to look like a hero than act like one -- as John Kerry could well testify.
That this market-driven narcissism finds expression in an adolescent version of masculinity should be no surprise. "In males, narcissism is something that has been associated with immaturity. Classically, it's something men are supposed to abandon to become adult males," Simpson says. "Today, consumerism tells all males that … they never need abandon their narcissism. That they never need grow up. Just so long as they buy the right products."
This isn't good news for either men or women. By defining domestic chores literally as "homework," the teen slacker version of masculinity offers no respite for working women struggling to balance their lives. And if adult responsibilities are defined as emasculating, then it's no wonder that popular culture now defines "commitment" solely as a woman's goal.
Domesticity may have always been a feminine realm, but marriage and children were once defined as integral to the traditional gender roles of both men and women. Today, it's the woman who is cast in the role of caveman, eager to club some unsuspecting, reluctant male on his head and drag him to the altar. While progressives and feminists have rightly championed a woman's right to reject marriage and motherhood, they rarely address the consequences of living in a culture where pair-bonding and parenting -- the basic processes that form the foundation of all societies -- are constructed as the antithesis of masculinity.
As Neil Chethik, author of the newly published book VoiceMale: What Husbands Really Think About Their Marriages, Their Wives, Sex, Housework, and Commitment, found, most American men -- the flesh-and-blood variety -- embrace their roles as fathers and husbands. "I found in my research that the values of duty, honor, and taking responsibility are far from forgotten by men in our culture," Chethik says. "Certainly, most men struggle to fulfill the ideals they set for themselves in this area. But they recognize that being a 'real man' requires that they are honest and respectful and willing to sacrifice. I saw this among men who worked at jobs they didn't love, who took care of an ill spouse or child, who helped in their communities without recognition or compensation. There are millions of such men."
American men may be doing their best to figure out what it means to be a man in the 21st century, but it's no accident that these men -- and more importantly, their sons -- aren't getting much help from the larger culture. "Consumerism wants to make us as atomized as possible -- because the more individualized we are the better consumers we are," says Simpson. "This is why masculinity is so fragmented today and incoherent -- and irresponsible. It used to be the tradition. Literally passed down from father to son. But we live in a society where tradition stands in the way of profit. So bye-bye daddy."
Discussions of masculinity on both the left and right inevitably circle around women's equality, either as a curse or boon to men. Where some argue that the women's movement has freed men from the straightjacket of traditional machismo, others have blamed it for depriving them of their identity. Yet the greatest threat to modern manhood may lie elsewhere -- in the flickering images on our television screen, bought and paid for by corporate America. Feminism may have sparked the battle over gender roles, but its outcome may well be determined by market forces determined to make voracious consumers of us all.
Lakshmi Chaudhry is a senior editor at In These Times and a former senior editor of AlterNet.
Europeans would see other races as a novelty and they would love to sample a person of another race.Hahaha, what a bunch of garbage! No races are "novelty" to Europeans and no women are interested to mix for sake of mixng. Someone on the forum mentioned German women and black GI. I bet there exist inter-racial relationships in the U.S too, but what kind of women are we talking about? Europe is not much different that the U.S in this case.
Since fewer people of other races go to Europe, Europeans don't have enough foreigners and it is easier for a person of a different race to hook up with their women.Ok Sherlock, let me enlighten you. A LOT of "other races" come to Europe, but just as the U.S, most come from neighbouring regions, that is Mideast and northern Africa. Moreover, south Asians prefer emigrate to the UK, because they for most part already speak some English. Corresponding goes for former French colonies.
Finally, your conculsion is very naive, but fairly amusing. It's NOT easier for you to hook up with European women because you are of "other races". And you are not a rarity because you are non-white. Sounds like you have never been to Europe.
However, there are exceptions that are similar to the US attitudes. Tirks are disliked in Germany because there are so many of them. Same problem as the blacks and Asians in the US. There are so many that American Caucasians are tired of them!With this analogy, Europeans should be sick and tired of Germans, because Germans are most numerous nation in Europe, and they are crowding Mediterranean beaches. First of all, Turks are less popular among Germans because they are different, and don't live German lifestyle. Many are out of work and prone to be involved in shady business. At least this is what avergage German believes. Again, you can see the very same socio-economic pattern in the U.S. Exchange Turks for... [whoever unpopular]. You can blame it on failed intergration policy, or on human intolerance in general.
The Jews were many in germany back during World War II so the Germans also got tired of them and hated them to the point they wanted to kill them.There lived more Jews in countries like Russia or Poland and it neither Russians or Poles started the genocide. There were other reasons why Nazi-Germany acted like it did, but that's different story.
We have the same problem here in the US with the KKK because they see minorities as a threat of domination in the US because they think there are too many of us.The majority of Americans consists of minorities in first place, so the KKK must catch up in today's fast-paced world.
Cyberdas: "I'd say feminism is also the cause of Sex Prison in the USA."
I give up. Probably a true statement, but what part of your attached article has anything to do with it?
I guess he means that today in the USA, women call the shots and ration the sex supply whereas in other countries, men can get it almost anywhere. If it is not available for free, they can always pay for it. Hence the prohibition of all brothels in the USA because the moral majority are mostly women and the men they control such as our "beloved" president George W. Bush. Thus, the USA has become a sex prison!! We have been castrated by metrosexualism by the feminist dominated media and have forgone manhood.
I thought the article was intresting .The "man/boy" modern man label really stood out to me although I didn't quite agree with how it was explained.I guess I could consider myself one of those guys.... single 36 years old into nice clothes likes to work out etc. but to me it's my liberation and freedom from being tied down to womens expectations...a horrible way to get laid in america.
My philosophy is if your not really going to be into the women your with it's not worth trying to maintain a "manly" lifestyle of supporting her and a family and things you may have to give up.Keeping a good looking body might be hard work for women but men have brutal expectations too.I think it's getting harder for guys and sometimes not possible and we realize this thats why we are giving ourselves a prolonged adolecensce(*different way at looking at our lifes).It's the least we can do for ourselves.
DJ FourMoney
03-29-06, 18:42
I thought the article was intresting .The "man/boy" modern man label really stood out to me although I didn't quite agree with how it was explained.I guess I could consider myself one of those guys.... single 36 years old into nice clothes likes to work out etc. but to me it's my liberation and freedom from being tied down to womens expectations...a horrible way to get laid in america.
My philosophy is if your not really going to be into the women your with it's not worth trying to maintain a "manly" lifestyle of supporting her and a family and things you may have to give up.Keeping a good looking body might be hard work for women but men have brutal expectations too.I think it's getting harder for guys and sometimes not possible and we realize this thats why we are giving ourselves a prolonged adolecensce(*different way at looking at our lifes).It's the least we can do for ourselves.
I never thought it was hard for women to keep their weight down.
The majority of women don't do a DAYUM thing. They eat and work, that's it and from there it depends on your metabolism. If have a naturally slow metabolism then your gunna be THICK at best and OBESE at worst. For those lucky enough to have a really high metabolism or no strange weight gaining ganular problems, then you'll be skinny in your clothes but sport a "pouch" when your nube. I see it ALL the time...
Alot of people view light weight training and cardio work liberating and vigor building. That is a good trat to have and would lead to less obesity in North America, because this isn't sloley an American problem if you see all the FAT Canadians and Mexicans when you travel to those areas...
Many men don't do much more than women in most cases because they are forced to work longer hours and get into a cycle or just working and not doing much else. We are expected to be the bread winner and looked as lesser than a man if we decide to be Mister Mom. A father is more important to a child's general well-being and development when the nutruing part of child bearing has been done by the wife/mother. So actually it would be a good idea to be at home more or work from home as a father to be more involved in your child's life and I honestly am trying to set myself up just like that.
I want to retire early and be out of the truck daily by age 46. That gives me 10 years to stablize my income or create a fixed income stream that will allow for a cost of living increase as the children get into their teenage years.
Sounds like Pie in the Sky to some I'm sure, but I think it makes sense and the only thing you can do with children is to make sure they don't make the same mistakes that you do and contribute to the community in a positive manner.
American men have two choices -
Taking FULL CONTROL over their sexual, social and economic lives
or let others dictate how you live your life.
Thanks for the clarification, darkseid, that's exactly what I meant to say by "I'd say feminism is also the cause of Sex Prison in the USA."
I don't know, but the way things are going and as bad as they already are, why not remain a "man/boy" (adolescent) for as long as you can? Why hurry into marrying an Ameriskank/ Ameriskanked Woman only to be tied down into a vicious cycle of work/debt-ridden/limited or no sex lifestyle?
Hahaha, what a bunch of garbage! No races are "novelty" to Europeans and no women are interested to mix for sake of mixng. Someone on the forum mentioned German women and black GI. I bet there exist inter-racial relationships in the U.S too, but what kind of women are we talking about? Europe is not much different that the U.S in this case.
I have visited Europe but did not live there for a period of time but I did find European women friendlier to talk to than American women in my area. I also find that the more concentrated my race is in an area, the less likely I meet a woman and that goes for New York City and San Francisco. That is just my personal experience and I am not saying this is true for everyone. Most European women have dated someone of another race in their lifetime or would date one just out of curiosity. In New York City, there are some women that would swear never to date a guy of another race and they have access to all different types of men.
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Ok Sherlock, let me enlighten you. A LOT of "other races" come to Europe, but just as the U.S, most come from neighbouring regions, that is Mideast and northern Africa. Moreover, south Asians prefer emigrate to the UK, because they for most part already speak some English. Corresponding goes for former French colonies.
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then again, a lot of these people WOULD come to the US if they are ABLE to go across the oceans. And more of them would die trying coming to the US than to Europe. A lot of them even come to the US illegally. Why do they not settle for Europe? The US has a better advertising committee obviously.
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Finally, your conculsion is very naive, but fairly amusing. It's NOT easier for you to hook up with European women because you are of "other races". And you are not a rarity because you are non-white. Sounds like you have never been to Europe.
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I have been to Europe 5 times and did find it easier to talk to their women. In fact most are even willing to speak English. I dated a few that visited America and they are much better dates than AWs. They were also open to my Chinese culture and wanted to try authentic Chinese foods in New York City's chinatown.
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With this analogy, Europeans should be sick and tired of Germans, because Germans are most numerous nation in Europe, and they are crowding Mediterranean beaches. First of all, Turks are less popular among Germans because they are different, and don't live German lifestyle. Many are out of work and prone to be involved in shady business. At least this is what avergage German believes. Again, you can see the very same socio-economic pattern in the U.S. Exchange Turks for... [whoever unpopular]. You can blame it on failed intergration policy, or on human intolerance in general.
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Unlike the situation in Europe with Germans, people in NYC accuse the Asians of dominating New York City and feel threatened by it. Yes, and it is because we are different. Turks in Germany are different and numerous in numbers and in the same way as the Asians in Chinatown are accused of gang activity and crime syndicates. this goes for any unpopular race in any territory. Blacks are unpopular in the midwest and Long Island and are often persecuted with burning crosses on their lawn.
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There lived more Jews in countries like Russia or Poland and it neither Russians or Poles started the genocide. There were other reasons why Nazi-Germany acted like it did, but that's different story.
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Again, Hitler acted on the economic downturn by accusing the Jews of dominating the jobs and taking opportunities from the Germans. Same way, I hear people accusing the Blacks, Asians, and Latinos take away jobs from the Caucasian Americans. Russia and Poland embraced the Jews.
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The KKK has as much opportunities as they do without the minorities, unless they want to clean toilets which are the jobs they don't want to do in the first place and the minorities take. A lot of them are underemployed because they are slackers.
Chocha Monger
03-30-06, 00:29
The majority of Americans consists of minorities in first place, so the KKK must catch up in today's fast-paced world.
This poster shows his obvious ignorance on matters concerning the United States of America. The people in the KKK are the weak minded uneducated failures of white society and give the race a bad name. Successful white men have power and social status. They do not need to run around like idiots with a white sheet over their head in an attempt to intimidate minorities. If members of the KKK have to catch up then they must do with the white college educated males, not with minorities who have a harder time getting into positions traditionally held by whites.
European women, regardless of class, love American cock irrespective of ethnicity because they know who kicks ass in the world. American culture dominates the world today like it or not, so get used to it because it's not about to change anytime soon. Europeans have been taking cheap shots at Americans and predicting our downfall since 1776, but we're still here and we'll still be around long after the EU falls apart. We kicked the Germans asses in WWII and they need to get over it and move on. We could have handed their asses to the Russians but we didn't, and we rebuilt their country even though they didn't deserve it.
Don't begrudge our black G.I.'s getting their dicks sucked by white European and Asian women, they earned that privilege by safeguarding freedom.
Americans of all races and ethnicities, as long as we keep our country strong and united, we can continue fucking women all over the world.
Darkseid,
Believe me, most European women have NOT "dated someone of another race in their lifetime or would date one just out of curiosity". Asians, latinos, blacks are not that numerous (though not rare) and often concentrated to certain areas. None of my female friends has ever dated someone non-Caucasian. I'm not saying they have reservations against doing so, but still a fact.
Race as such is a very superficial property, and of little importance once you proved someone wrong regarding his/her prejudices. Still, stereotypes may play a role in convincing a third part (friends of your girlfriend), of your eligibility, so to speak. Given a woman with high integrity, the latter becomes a non-issue. The outcome depends on which league you are playing in and who you are, beyond colour of your skin.
]then again, a lot of these people WOULD come to the US if they are ABLE to go across the oceans. And more of them would die trying coming to the US than to Europe. A lot of them even come to the US illegally. Why do they not settle for Europe? The US has a better advertising committee obviously.
This is no competition, and I couldn't care less if refugees would prefer the USA than EU. Human rights organizations accuse EU of building a wall around Europe and the expression "Fortress Europe" (http://212.58.226.40/1/hi/in_pictures/4287330.stm) (image set) is already coined.
BBC has summarized differences in immigration between EU and USA like this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2042779.stm#graph):
If the cry, though less loud these days, in the United States is: "Give me your tired, your poor", in the European Union it is: "Give me your qualified, your educated".
As you see poor refugees "WOULD come" to just any wealthy nation, but you certainly can't afford to choose from an a la carte menu under such circumstances. Besides, one thing about recent immigrants never stops puzzling me, namely their destination in EU. What makes the Netherlands, Germany, Sweden or Norway so popular? Climate? I doubt it.
Yet, we have received millions on humanitarian grounds, and more are literally dying crossing the Mediterranean (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3712696.stm) or shot on fences of Ceuta (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4316702.stm). Europe can't jeopardize national social security systems which have been built up by Europeans because there is poverty elsewhere in the world. You can't help them all by granting every refugee the right to stay in EU.
Have you asked yourself why there are so few, if any, refugees in Japan? Hint - Keywords to look for are: Expats, language, immigration policy.
Russia and Poland embraced the Jews.
DS,
The gist of your post was right on. But, your above statement is VERY inaccurate and VERY incorrect. Russia, and the part of Poland controlled by Russia, NEVER embraced Jews. They were as persecuted by the Tsars and Stalin as by Hitler. There were deadly persecutions of Jews in Russia for most of the 18th and 19th centuries.
It is not well known, (I think because it is not very politically correct these days.), that the genesis of modern-day Israel started in the mid 1800's by Russian Jews who were escaping the persecution of the Tsars. I don't remember his name off-hand, but in the 1830's or 40's a Russian Jew began advocating that Jews should, and encouraging his Jewish countrymen to, leave Russia and settle the land that God had promised them. He was like a modern-day Moses leading his enserfed people to freedom.
He and his followers bought land, in the then Ottoman empire, along the Mediterranean coast, in modern-day Gaza, Israel, and Lebanon. Over the next several decades, a steady stream of Jews fled Russia and settled in the Mid-East through land purchases from wealthy Arabs. Poor Arabs noticed the immigration and resented it. They resisted what they perceived as their displacement by Jews. When WWI did away with the strong central authority of the Ottoman rule and was replaced by the much weaker provisional authority of the British in Mandatary Palestine, open fighting broke out between Arabs and Jews. They have been fighting ever since.
The few posts about P4P action in Israel remark that no native Israelis work in the brothels of Tel Aviv. They are filled with Russian ladies who left Russia and were permitted to enter Israel because they are Jews. The one problem is that they are not really Jews! The Russians run a scam that provides fake Jewish heritage so they can leave Russia and go to Israel. Once in Israel, the Russians try to get into the US.
Ooops, sounds like I stepped on somebody's toes.
Apparently you have better knowledge about the KKK, and I'll not dispute it, but the majority of Americans consists of minorities, like it or not. For example:
- Paul Wolfowitz' father was "Polish national of Jewish descent" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wolfowitz#Personal_life)
- Colin Powell's parents "immigrated to the United States from Jamaica" (http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/powell-bio.html)
- Donald Rumsfeld has "German relatives" (http://talkleft.com/new_archives/001720.html)
Now, what about yourself? I have read some of your posts and aren't you Polish, or is it Polish-American nowdays? No offence, but I had to demonstrate a pattern how minority becomes majority, "like it or not".
]European women, regardless of class, love American cock irrespective of ethnicity because they know who kicks ass in the world. American culture dominates the world today like it or not, so get used to it because it's not about to change anytime soon. Why don't you start a society for mutual admiration? Don't count on my participation though.
There is no such thing as "American culture". What you probably refer to is popular culture, often abbreviated "pop", like in pop music. Neither pop music nor other music styles are an exclusively American products. If your perception of media in western world is "American", well, then you are just ignorant.
]Europeans have been taking cheap shots at Americans and predicting our downfall since 1776, but we're still here and we'll still be around long after the EU falls apart. We kicked the Germans asses in WWII and they need to get over it and move on. We could have handed their asses to the Russians but we didn't, and we rebuilt their country even though they didn't deserve it. Spare this political bullshit for some hooker you hook up with. Perhaps she will listen if you pay her extra. Besides, if you finished highschool maybe you would know that the U.S joined WWII on European soil after the turning pointat Stalingrad October 12, 1942 when Wehrmacht was finished and colapse of Nazi-Germany was question of time. Soviets fought most of the war on their own. This version has never been politically correct since Soviets were commies and almost as bad as the Nazis.
"The toehold established at Normandy was vital for the Western Allies (largely the British Commonwealth and the U.S.) to bring the war to the western border of Germany. By this time the Soviet forces had the capacity to crush Germany in Europe on their own, and therefore a western invasion was not strictly required to defeat the German Reich. On D-Day, the Red Army was steadily advancing towards Germany and four-fifths of the German forces were in the East. In France, the Allies faced only about 20% of the German army."
Source here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Overlord).
Don't make any illusions the U.S joined the war of pure courtesy. It was forced to join when Japs attacked Pearl Harbour and German submarines sunk American ships from Mississipi delta in south to New York in north. In Miami you could see Nazi u-boots from the beach. Only a fool thinks nations join war of courtsey. If Europe was lost to Soviet Union, (Soviet back then with numerous population than the U.S), today your nick name would be comerade Chochaski Mongerski. Ponyemayet?
And don't worry, Germany moved on (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2005/09/05/do0502.xml):
"Barely noticed, Germany has overtaken America to become the world's biggest single exporter, shipping the hardware that powers the rising economies of Asia and eastern Europe. Its trade surplus is now greater than that of China, Japan and India combined, reaching a staggering 16.8 billion euros in June alone."
And once in the US, they try find some sucker with a good job to get them all the shit they want to have once they've become Americanized.
After the Divorce, the sucker learns his lesson and heads off to Russia to find himself "a good one."
Ironic, or maybe just crazy?
Rock
Chocha Monger
03-30-06, 05:56
And once in the US, they try find some sucker with a good job to get them all the shit they want to have once they've become Americanized.
After the Divorce, the sucker learns his lesson and heads off to Russia to find himself "a good one."
Ironic, or maybe just crazy?
Rock
Rock,
It's just bad socialization. North American men are thought that all women are inherently good; hence they keep looking for the "good one" despite the fact that they stand a better chance of finding a unicorn.
Now in other countries men know women are inherently evil, and they have no problems finding the prettiest one they can get their cock into and knocking her up then moving on to the next gene pool. It's what nature intended. Men can get the best deal propagating their DNA using this method. Women, on the other hand, must do their best not so much to keep the man around but to keep his resources. The more resources she has the more little bastards she can spawn with her DNA. She'll move heaven and hell to get her claws into a man with a huge amount of resources in order to realize her full reproductive potential. If she is really lucky she'll find good genes and abundant resources in a one man package; if she is not then she'll have to do a little cheating to get it just right.
you seem to have a big deficit about european history.
it was not the usa who kicked the german asses in WWII, more correct would be, that together with brits, canadians and australians they need nearly one year from normandy to torgau, fighting against the rudiments of german army, which consisted more and more of teenagers and old men in uniform. same for the 2-3 years climbing up from sicily to north italy.
it was the usa who built up germany after WWII? never heard about. yes, there was the marshallplan plus installation of early democratic structures, which was a big help in the very beginning. but the real fact is, that it was the generation of the todays 70-80 years old women who built up their houses again cleaning one brik after the other.
and yes, don´t forget, that the majority of the today us-population has german ancestors/roots.
and if you really believe, that any war, in which the us-army was involved after WWII, was a war for defending freedom, than you are naive. wars are nothing else than a struggle for more influence and/or more economical power.
just ask yourself why no GI is fighting in sudan or congo - hhmm, maybe less oil than in the irak?
i don´t want to be misunderstood: i am more than thanksfull, that the alliance freed germany from nazi-rule. but such a ignorant and mega-patriotic crap from chocha is just "nasty".
and by the way: one of my best friends in germany is a black guy from africa. got it?
larsca
Doctor_Skank
03-30-06, 10:58
CM:
Didnt really expect such a knee-jerk reaction from you as you are obviously very well-read and provide very well thought out and concise posts. Some of your points in the most recent post seem pretty far-fetched to me however, even reactionist. European attitudes towards America, even in these troubled times in the trans-Atlantic relationship, are probably more positive than American attitudes towards Europe, which are largely based on century old prejudices and ignorance. Fact is, Europe knows a lot more about America than America does about Europe.
WWII history:
The US did have a huge effect in defeating Germany. Without US economic support (lend-lease) both Britain and Russia would have a much harder time holding off the Germans, not to mention the effect the second front (Africa/W.Europe/Italy) had in expediating Germany's fall. That said, the bulk of the European war from 1939-1943 (before America actively became involved 1943-45) was fought by others, most notably Russia and the UK. 75% of the German war effort went into fighting the Russians and the Russians can rightfully claim that victory over Germany was 75% theirs. If you analyse statistics you'll find that the scale of war on the eastern front dwarfed that of the war on the western front.
The US did contribute significantly to Germany's rebirth, a fact which Germans still recognize and appreciate today. Clumsy heavy-handed people like Bush/Rumsfeld are doing all the can to destroy this legacy of goodwill left by Truman/Marshall etc., but I hope time will heal the wounds recently created. In the end though, it was Germans who rebuilt Germany, albeit with American support and American investment. We gave them the opportunity, they took it.
As for European women loving American cock, that's relative. Showing up in Europe and saying "hi, I'm American!" won't get you laid, black or otherwise. I've found that people are generally open to Americans, especially literate and culturally aware Americans. It really is a good nationality to be, and one to be rightfully proud of, despite the recent unpopularity of our government. But telling the Europeans "we saved your ass, now suck my cock!" certainly isnt going to make you any friends... :)
Leeuwen:
Its no secret that almost all Americans are from backgrounds other than American Indian. When speaking of minorities, the Klan, or anyone else for that matter, are generally refering to non-white people. The majority of Americans are, believe it or not, white. Blacks may be underrepresented in the American business world, but they are overrepresented in popular culture. It's a testament to their talents as musicians and entertainers, but also a testament to clever marketing and big business. Its been discussed before by black forum members, so I dont need to get into it further, but the measure of success in America isnt necessarily who is on the cover of Rolling Stone or SI, but rather who is on Forbes.
Darkseid:
Race relations in Europe vary wildly, just as they do in the US. Mixed race couples in California are fairly common and accepted, but in Alabama they aint. In German cities mixed race couples are also common, but somewhere in Bavaria they arent, not to mention other places like Poland, Sicily or wherever.
Larsca04:
American global military involvement worldwide has been conducted in America's self-interest, but what makes that wrong? The military is an expression of a nation's political will. Vietnam, the Balkans, Somalia etc. were not primarily economicaly motivated conflicts, but were all led by the US. Fact is, Europe is incapable of conducting any sizable military operation without American support. Until they are, America will be able to express their political will more dominantly than Europe.
American culture:
American culture is often perceived as purely being popular culture, which makes up a significant amount of American culture. But for those who claim America doesnt have a culture, doesnt know America well, nor understand the social and cultural developments of the last 300+ years. American culture is more than Coca-Cola and Andy Warhol. There are plenty of excellent (and lovingly written) articles on American culture written by prominent European (usually French curiously enough) intellectuals.
CBGBConnisur
03-30-06, 11:40
Europeans would see other races as a novelty and they would love to sample a person of another race. Here, in the US, not only is racism deep rooted in AWs, but they ar tired of seeing so many people of other nationalities flock to the US for opportunity. There are much more unwary people from other lands that come to the US because it is overhyped by their media and Europe and other lands are less popular. Since fewer people of other races go to Europe, Europeans don't have enough foreigners and it is easier for a person of a different race to hook up with their women. However, there are exceptions that are similar to the US attitudes. Tirks are disliked in Germany because there are so many of them. Same problem as the blacks and Asians in the US. There are so many that American Caucasians are tired of them! Also American Blacks and Asians are tired of each other. The Jews were many in germany back during World War II so the Germans also got tired of them and hated them to the point they wanted to kill them. We have the same problem here in the US with the KKK because they see minorities as a threat of domination in the US because they think there are too many of us.
There is definitely a lot of underlying racism in the US with regards to women marrying or dating outside their own ethnic group. I am seeing a similar pattern develop in Australia these days. Many AWs can be feminist and racist at the same time. Makes you wonder. German women seem to be the best among the rich countries, especially in terms of their intelligence. Aussie women tend to be dumb.
despite the fact, that this part of the forum is called "american women" lets do some politics :-)
i appreciate very much your more or less neutral way to describe history.
you mention on the other side, that europe is incapable to conduct any bigger military operation.
i agree with you. but: the enormous expenses on military of the us government is financed by the rapidly growing numbers of poor people in the us.
you mention vietnam, somalia and the balkan - both vietnam and somalia were a "wargame" between the usa and ussr in the cold war periode. both ended in the GIs kicked out of country. in former yougoslavia you have now a situation of enourmous shadow economy, criminality and political disharmonies. it took longer time for the us government to understand, that the albanians made an enormous profit of this war with "using" american military.
and same will happen/already happens in the irak.
whereever the usa believes to have the right to conduct war, then mostly after there is complete chaos remaining back (unfortunately).
maybe you should start to think about, that some european governments are more clever in the prognose, if there is any international right or clear reason to make war.
i agree with you, that war is basically nothing than to increase the individual power. i have nothing against it. but what makes the usa-wars so stupid and untrue is, that they are covered with the label "fighting for freedom and democraty". this is, why nobody outside the usa believes in your intentions of "honour".
this includes the support of dictators by usa-government, dictators who kick the word freedom in the ass.
sure you know about the morgenthau-plan, means to bomb germany into middle-age quality as a agricultural country. yes, the usa supported germany very much, with finance, care-pakets and democracy. but you may also be sure, that a big reason for the support was, that in germany anarchy could grow and/or westgermany could come closer to the ussr.
if you define success as to be listed in forbes, than you are right on watching only the surface. sure you know the amount of debts per capita in the usa. you have the most of the super-wealthy persons in the usa, but you also more million poor people than any other industrialized country.
if forbes is for you the expression of american success, then i prefer the european way of success.
by the way: andy warhol was born in slovakia.
now back to american women :-)
larsca04
despite the fact, that this part of the forum is called "american women" lets do some politics :-)
i appreciate very much your more or less neutral way to describe history.
you mention on the other side, that europe is incapable to conduct any bigger military operation.
i agree with you. but: the enormous expenses on military of the us government is financed by the rapidly growing numbers of poor people in the us.
you mention vietnam, somalia and the balkan - both vietnam and somalia were a "wargame" between the usa and ussr in the cold war periode. both ended in the GIs kicked out of country. in former yougoslavia you have now a situation of enourmous shadow economy, criminality and political disharmonies. it took longer time for the us government to understand, that the albanians made an enormous profit of this war with "using" american military.
and same will happen/already happens in the irak.
whereever the usa believes to have the right to conduct war, then mostly after there is complete chaos remaining back (unfortunately).
maybe you should start to think about, that some european governments are more clever in the prognose, if there is any international right or clear reason to make war.
i agree with you, that war is basically nothing than to increase the individual power. i have nothing against it. but what makes the usa-wars so stupid and untrue is, that they are covered with the label "fighting for freedom and democraty". this is, why nobody outside the usa believes in your intentions of "honour".
this includes the support of dictators by usa-government, dictators who kick the word freedom in the ass.
sure you know about the morgenthau-plan, means to bomb germany into middle-age quality as a agricultural country. yes, the usa supported germany very much, with finance, care-pakets and democracy. but you may also be sure, that a big reason for the support was, that in germany anarchy could grow and/or westgermany could come closer to the ussr.
if you define success as to be listed in forbes, than you are right on watching only the surface. sure you know the amount of debts per capita in the usa. you have the most of the super-wealthy persons in the usa, but you also more million poor people than any other industrialized country.
if forbes is for you the expression of american success, then i prefer the european way of success.
by the way: andy warhol was born in slovakia.
now back to american women :-)
larsca04
Larsca04 I appreciate your comments which make alot of sense!!! ......thank you!!!!!
Doctor_Skank
03-30-06, 15:35
Larsca, see below my comments to your replies:
"i agree with you. but: the enormous expenses on military of the us government is financed by the rapidly growing numbers of poor people in the us."
Relative question. The military industrial complex does fuel certain aspects of the economy as well, employs many of America's poorest social groups and isnt purely to be seen as expenditure. Just look at the European's clumsy and failed attempts to build up their own military structures (Eurofighter, Transall, Eurocorps etc.). In the end, its more expensive to build a new military than to improve and maintain a technically sound one. America's military is the right size, just improperly applied. The world would be much worse off if America had the attitude of much of Europe and said "who cares, not our problem". Interesting exceptions are the UK, France and Italy, whose military I respect. Even they however are dependent on American logistics if they are to operate anywhere with more than a regiment of men for longer than a few months.
"Vietnam and Somalia were a "wargame" between the usa and ussr in the cold war periode."
Vietnam was a failed political ploy to control communism, based on a flawed containment doctrine. It wasnt a wargame between the US and USSR but rather between capitalism and communism, communism in the 60's wasnt exclusively Russian.
Somalia was a UN-initiated fiasco burdened by poor planning and UN politics, for example the prohibiting of armor (tanks) being used in force because it would "draw too much attention". A perfect example of why the US doesnt like multi-national military operations.
"both ended in the GIs kicked out of country."
Kicked out is an exaggeration, the US could have stayed as long as they wanted. Their goals however were no longer able to be achieved and sensibly they left. Vietnam was a humbling defeat nonetheless, Somalia merely an example of why war in the third world is never black and white and why "humanitarian mission" and "war" don't mix.
"in former yougoslavia you have now a situation of enourmous shadow economy, criminality and political disharmonies."
And is in Europe. Europe, as always in recent history, totally incapable of keeping its own politics in order. Genocide was taking place within European boundaries and all Europe could think of to do was say "Hey, stop doing that!".
"whereever the usa believes to have the right to conduct war, then mostly after there is complete chaos remaining back (unfortunately)."
"Cry havoc and let loose the dogs of war"... any nation that goes to war should be aware of the long-term consequences, you are quite right in stating that the US and the US public doesnt understand this. Its something I bemoan before any US military involvement.
"maybe you should start to think about, that some european governments are more clever in the prognose, if there is any international right or clear reason to make war."
Which generally ends up in the European governments doing nothing. The question is, when does something have to be done. Not my question to answer.
"what makes the usa-wars so stupid and untrue is, that they are covered with the label "fighting for freedom and democraty""
I agree that this is stupid. The current US government is a disgrace. It does damage US credibility and distracts from all the humantitarian activities that the US does participate in. Never forget that the primary goal for a US government is to get reelected and they will do anything to do it. The US government (and not just the current administration) is almost always speaking to the American people and hoping to convince them of the righteousness of their intentions. They really don't care much what the rest of the world thinks. Sad but true.
"this includes the support of dictators by usa-government, dictators who kick the word freedom in the ass. "
That's global politics. Sometimes a dictator you can control is better than a radical you can't. If you can't play that game, you need to get out of the sandbox. Global politics isnt ice cream and paddy cake.
"sure you know about the morgenthau-plan, means to bomb germany into middle-age quality as a agricultural country."
At the time, nobody argued with this reasoning.
"that a big reason for the support was, that in germany anarchy could grow and/or westgermany could come closer to the ussr."
Again, politics. Or would you have prefered a Soviet Germany?
"...but you also more million poor people than any other industrialized country.
if forbes is for you the expression of american success, then i prefer the european way of success."
American capitalism is brutal, its true. European socialism is struggling to survive. Which large economies are doing best in Europe? The ones that are moving away from traditional socialist models and more towards American capitalism. There is no perfect economic system, but I still prefer one where success is still achieveable. In America you can still achieve something with hard work. In Europe its much more difficult when you are paying 40% taxes financing the bums drinking their sad lives away and the immigrant family and their 13 kids.
"by the way: andy warhol was born in slovakia."
And smart enough to leave and come to America.
"now back to american women :-)"
Oh no, must we? :)
Dr Skank, you are right in that Americans aren't getting laid because we are the strongest military that kick ass but Americans are appreciated for their culture. American music is played all over the world and in Europe there is at least 2 radio stations devoted to American music and other stations may play an American song once mixed with songs of their native language. Europeans appreciate cultures of all nationalities which is apparent in American culture. They play a lot of hip hop which started in America. Some Germans even try to make their own hip hop. Even techno has its roots in America and today a lot of techno and dance is played in Europe. The Europeans just take the elements and make it their own as with other countries. There is even japanese rap artists! Asians are appreciated for martial arts and my martial arts background enforces that because I can rightfully say I am part of that culture instead of being just a regular pedestrian Asian no-trick pony. Foreigners can ask me to do a martial arts form and I can demonstrate it. I can even brake boards and they get entertained by it.
Since Americans have these talents in their country every day, they take the talents for granted and don't get amused by it. I am never asked to do a stunt here in the US. Instead of seeking entertainment they seek food. American women are so bored of the entertainment industry that they already have that food is their entertainment. The food industry makes 10 times more money than the entertainment industry but in Europe or other countries, entertainment makes more than food. The commercials on ours and their televisions say it all! I would say 70% of our commercials are all about food. You can't pass a commercial brake without seeing a Taco Bell or Burger King commerical. In Europe, when I watch TV, I feel like I am starving because they don't advertise food as much. They advertise more services. Go to another country and see for yourselves. No wonder American women are so fat!
I do see more interracial dating with Asian guys in the west coast than there is in the East coast or Midwest. One woman I dated said that the west is more liberal than the East. The East coast is more into tradition and therefore sticking to their own race and their own traditions rather than being open to other cultures or just forsaking traditions altogether. It is the traditions that causes people not to date outside their race. It seems in the US, areas of tradition or usually larger than areas of tradition in Europe. A Chinatown in the US is an entire neighborhood while Europe may have a China block. Yes, there are areas of tradition in Europe but you can avoid these and go to non-traditional areas. In the west coast, you also have less tradition and they are therefore willing to date outside their race. Traditionalism is caused by people of the same race who are unopen-minded and who gather together and form a giant group that may kick out outsiders. This is apparent in New York City and most East coast cities. New York City is not a true melting pot. A real melting pot I've seen is Amsterdam. This city has a mix of all cultures in one big city and they are open to pot! I have also been able to date a dutch girl with no problem because I made her laugh and she found me entertaining. I never had this luck in NYC.
Sorry but american pop culture is at it's worst in years.The music we are "donating" to the world is without soul and creativity it even turns people into conceited beings.We've seen way better entertainment come our way...look to hollywood for the worst of the worst.
Nick Danger
03-30-06, 19:16
DS,
The gist of your post was right on. But, your above statement is VERY inaccurate and VERY incorrect. Russia, and the part of Poland controlled by Russia, NEVER embraced Jews. They were as persecuted by the Tsars and Stalin as by Hitler. There were deadly persecutions of Jews in Russia for most of the 18th and 19th centuries.
It is not well known, (I think because it is not very politically correct these days.), that the genesis of modern-day Israel started in the mid 1800's by Russian Jews who were escaping the persecution of the Tsars. I don't remember his name off-hand, but in the 1830's or 40's a Russian Jew began advocating that Jews should, and encouraging his Jewish countrymen to, leave Russia and settle the land that God had promised them. He was like a modern-day Moses leading his enserfed people to freedom.
He and his followers bought land, in the then Ottoman empire, along the Mediterranean coast, in modern-day Gaza, Israel, and Lebanon. Over the next several decades, a steady stream of Jews fled Russia and settled in the Mid-East through land purchases from wealthy Arabs. Poor Arabs noticed the immigration and resented it. They resisted what they perceived as their displacement by Jews. When WWI did away with the strong central authority of the Ottoman rule and was replaced by the much weaker provisional authority of the British in Mandatary Palestine, open fighting broke out between Arabs and Jews. They have been fighting ever since.
The few posts about P4P action in Israel remark that no native Israelis work in the brothels of Tel Aviv. They are filled with Russian ladies who left Russia and were permitted to enter Israel because they are Jews. The one problem is that they are not really Jews! The Russians run a scam that provides fake Jewish heritage so they can leave Russia and go to Israel. Once in Israel, the Russians try to get into the US.I believe his name was Theodore Herzl and I think he published" Der Judenstat.'
I read here about the US being a sex prison, and I've had my own problems with US women that make it way too difficult to get laid, but not everyone seems to have that problem with American women.
I have been reading a bunch of backpacker websites and since backpackers are usually horny young people the conversation often is about sex on the road. According to polls and threads on these sites American women are easy, and only slightly less likely to put out than Australian girls, who have the reputation as the horniest backpackers.
How crazy is it that if you want to have sex with girls from your own country you have to go to another country?
DJ FourMoney
03-30-06, 21:09
Give that man a cigar....
Sorry but american pop culture is at it's worst in years.The music we are "donating" to the world is without soul and creativity it even turns people into conceited beings.We've seen way better entertainment come our way...look to hollywood for the worst of the worst.Don't forget that we responsible for exporting feminism as well.
Don't forget that we responsible for exporting feminism as well.Who told you? So far you are "responsible" for desinformation.
"Feminism as a philosophy and movement in the modern sense may be usefully dated to The Enlightenment with such thinkers as Lady Mary Wortley Montagu and the Marquis de Condorcet championing women's education. The first scientific society for women was founded in Middelburg, a city in the south of the Dutch republic, in 1785."
Feminism in recent decades is a global phenomenon, focused to Western world. Please, don't be so eager to take credit.
CBGBConnisur
03-31-06, 09:04
Larsca, see below my comments to your replies:
"i agree with you. but: the enormous expenses on military of the us government is financed by the rapidly growing numbers of poor people in the us."
Relative question. The military industrial complex does fuel certain aspects of the economy as well, employs many of America's poorest social groups and isnt purely to be seen as expenditure. Just look at the European's clumsy and failed attempts to build up their own military structures (Eurofighter, Transall, Eurocorps etc.). In the end, its more expensive to build a new military than to improve and maintain a technically sound one. America's military is the right size, just improperly applied. The world would be much worse off if America had the attitude of much of Europe and said "who cares, not our problem". Interesting exceptions are the UK, France and Italy, whose military I respect. Even they however are dependent on American logistics if they are to operate anywhere with more than a regiment of men for longer than a few months.
"Vietnam and Somalia were a "wargame" between the usa and ussr in the cold war periode."
Vietnam was a failed political ploy to control communism, based on a flawed containment doctrine. It wasnt a wargame between the US and USSR but rather between capitalism and communism, communism in the 60's wasnt exclusively Russian.
Somalia was a UN-initiated fiasco burdened by poor planning and UN politics, for example the prohibiting of armor (tanks) being used in force because it would "draw too much attention". A perfect example of why the US doesnt like multi-national military operations.
"both ended in the GIs kicked out of country."
Kicked out is an exaggeration, the US could have stayed as long as they wanted. Their goals however were no longer able to be achieved and sensibly they left. Vietnam was a humbling defeat nonetheless, Somalia merely an example of why war in the third world is never black and white and why "humanitarian mission" and "war" don't mix.
"in former yougoslavia you have now a situation of enourmous shadow economy, criminality and political disharmonies."
And is in Europe. Europe, as always in recent history, totally incapable of keeping its own politics in order. Genocide was taking place within European boundaries and all Europe could think of to do was say "Hey, stop doing that!".
"whereever the usa believes to have the right to conduct war, then mostly after there is complete chaos remaining back (unfortunately)."
"Cry havoc and let loose the dogs of war"... any nation that goes to war should be aware of the long-term consequences, you are quite right in stating that the US and the US public doesnt understand this. Its something I bemoan before any US military involvement.
"maybe you should start to think about, that some european governments are more clever in the prognose, if there is any international right or clear reason to make war."
Which generally ends up in the European governments doing nothing. The question is, when does something have to be done. Not my question to answer.
"what makes the usa-wars so stupid and untrue is, that they are covered with the label "fighting for freedom and democraty""
I agree that this is stupid. The current US government is a disgrace. It does damage US credibility and distracts from all the humantitarian activities that the US does participate in. Never forget that the primary goal for a US government is to get reelected and they will do anything to do it. The US government (and not just the current administration) is almost always speaking to the American people and hoping to convince them of the righteousness of their intentions. They really don't care much what the rest of the world thinks. Sad but true.
"this includes the support of dictators by usa-government, dictators who kick the word freedom in the ass. "
That's global politics. Sometimes a dictator you can control is better than a radical you can't. If you can't play that game, you need to get out of the sandbox. Global politics isnt ice cream and paddy cake.
"sure you know about the morgenthau-plan, means to bomb germany into middle-age quality as a agricultural country."
At the time, nobody argued with this reasoning.
"that a big reason for the support was, that in germany anarchy could grow and/or westgermany could come closer to the ussr."
Again, politics. Or would you have prefered a Soviet Germany?
"...but you also more million poor people than any other industrialized country.
if forbes is for you the expression of american success, then i prefer the european way of success."
American capitalism is brutal, its true. European socialism is struggling to survive. Which large economies are doing best in Europe? The ones that are moving away from traditional socialist models and more towards American capitalism. There is no perfect economic system, but I still prefer one where success is still achieveable. In America you can still achieve something with hard work. In Europe its much more difficult when you are paying 40% taxes financing the bums drinking their sad lives away and the immigrant family and their 13 kids.
"by the way: andy warhol was born in slovakia."
And smart enough to leave and come to America.
"now back to american women :-)"
Oh no, must we? :)
The only two major Western European countries that are movng towards US style capitalism are the UK(Australia former appendage of the UK and now the US is doing the same) and Ireland, both of which are appendages of the US rather than foreign countries. Much of Ireland's growth has been attributed to US investment. The UK has done something similar. Most of the major European countries are struggling, interestingly in the countries that have economic difficulties the women are nicer. Compare a German to a Pommie ***** and you will see what I mean.
following your thesis the american women must be very nice.
why:
in the USA 38 million people live below the official poverty level.
the USA have an enormous trade defizit.
every year the USA need 800 billion dollars to finance this deficit. this amount of money comes mainly from japan, china and europe.
the debts per capita are the highest of western countries.
internal consumption in the USA is financed to a wider extent by overrated value of real estates.
this are official datas. actually published also in a book from ravi batra in controverse to alan greenspan.
and you talk about economical difficulties of core european countries?
i may remember you, that germany had to refinance and rebuild former east germany nearly completely. a population of 17 million people.
that was not for free.
i will answer on doc skank´s post later.
larsca04
nick danger,
theodor herzl was born in budapest. a jew of hungarian/austrian/german roots. he initiated the first plan of rebuilding a state for jewish people. this happened in the end of 19th century.
the city of tel aviv is named after a book from theodor herzl.
thats about american women :-)
larsca04
following your thesis the american women must be very nice.
why:
in the USA 38 million people live below the official poverty level.
the USA have an enormous trade defizit.
every year the USA need 800 billion dollars to finance this deficit. this amount of money comes mainly from japan, china and europe.
the debts per capita are the highest of western countries.
internal consumption in the USA is financed to a wider extent by overrated value of real estates.
this are official datas. actually published also in a book from ravi batra in controverse to alan greenspan.
and you talk about economical difficulties of core european countries?
i may remember you, that germany had to refinance and rebuild former east germany nearly completely. a population of 17 million people.
that was not for free.
i will answer on doc skank´s post later.
larsca04
as Dick Cheney famously opined, "Reagan proved that defecits don't matter."
I read here about the US being a sex prison, and I've had my own problems with US women that make it way too difficult to get laid, but not everyone seems to have that problem with American women.
I have been reading a bunch of backpacker websites and since backpackers are usually horny young people the conversation often is about sex on the road. According to polls and threads on these sites American women are easy, and only slightly less likely to put out than Australian girls, who have the reputation as the horniest backpackers.
How crazy is it that if you want to have sex with girls from your own country you have to go to another country?
See, this just reenforces my theory of foreigners getting more pussy in other countries than their own native land and the fact women in general like different flavors of guys. In another country, we would be the foreigners and the women would prefer us over their own as long as there is no tradition in that area.
cbgbconnisur, in what way are the uk and ireland "appendages" of the u.s? because the u.s was colonalized by the british three centuries ago and because every o'reilly bloke is of irish descent? you have to be kidding about the "appendage". the uk and ireland are foreign countries from u.s perspective seen.
neither the uk or irish economy is "moving towards us style capitalism". these two have always been more liberal economies than other eu countires, and none eu country is "struggling". i'm aware how keen american right-wing media is to depict eu and how facts are obfurep001ed or carefully filtered. i guess the reason is the u.s can't stand competition and get used to new world realities. let me quote (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2005/09/05/do0502.xml):
"barely noticed, germany has overtaken america to become the world's biggest single exporter, shipping the hardware that powers the rising economies of asia and eastern europe. its trade surplus is now greater than that of china, japan and india combined, reaching a staggering 16.8 billion euros in june alone."
germany is one of the "struggling" countries in your imagination, i bet. worth noting is that eu economy has surpassed u.s economy and that eu gives 7 times more (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/trade_war_over_genetically_modified_food) in development aid than america. not bad for a bunch of "struggling" countries.
the usa did well from wwii till the rise of china and introduction of euro, but dollar as currency is weakened and it's hard to verfify it's actual value. no wonder russia denominates oil in euro. apparently iran is also about to shift (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewarticle&code=cla20060210&articleid=1937). the sky rocketing u.s trade deficit bothers stock market and denying its undermining role is irresponsible. yet, there is calm before the storm.
as as foreign investments go read what the u.s department of state has to say (http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2006/63553.htm):
"european firms account for 70% of direct investment in the u.s."
in 2003 eu invested €731 billion of which uk's share was 16%. yet i don't post insinuations that americans can afford a comfortable life due to european generousity.
by the way, you are comparing german women to a "pommie*****". what is a "pommie*****"?
DS,
The few posts about P4P action in Israel remark that no native Israelis work in the brothels of Tel Aviv. They are filled with Russian ladies who left Russia and were permitted to enter Israel because they are Jews. The one problem is that they are not really Jews! The Russians run a scam that provides fake Jewish heritage so they can leave Russia and go to Israel. Once in Israel, the Russians try to get into the US.
George, I have no idea where in the world you get your info from but you are seriously off the mark.
Doctor_Skank
03-31-06, 22:10
Leeuwen:
The German economy averages 10% unemployment according to very conservative and manipulated estimates. Haven't been to Gelsenkirchen-Buer or Gera recently have you?
The German economy has SUCKED for the last 6 years. Export is world-class, but the domestic economy is in shambles, largely due to the socialist welfare system which is a self-serving parasite. There is widespread poverty in many parts of Germany, particularly the east and the Ruhr area. It may not be American-style poverty, but it is the worst it has been in Germany since the 60's.
France has 15% unemployment in deveoped areas, in areas populated by minorities it is as high as 80%. Miss the recent riots in which the French government admitted they had no control over the country? That economy is a mess.
And France and Germany are the central powers of Europe. So much for a strong economy. The strongest economies in Europe are UK/Ireland, which are looking more and more like a US-style capitalism than ever before, as well as Spain and Northern Italy (southern Italy is hopeless). Particularly Italy is adopting more liberal economic policies to boost its economy.
EU may look strong on paper, but the individual countries suffer individual fates, and the overbearing EU government in Brussels (please note that Europe is governed by a government that WASNT ELECTED but rather APPOINTED, so much for democracy) does its very best to suck the life out of its supposed economic engine Germany through over-stretching their ability to support such dead patients as Greece and Portugal, not to mention the new EE EU members.
I'm not saying the US is in great shape, but much of the EU is hurting as well.
Sinanju Master
04-01-06, 04:06
my bretheren, much of the previous posts have really intrigued me and I've made the posters aware of that, but it has been off-topic, sort of... let's get back to the subject of the board and cease the literary open warfare please...
CBGBConnisur
04-01-06, 04:08
In the next 2 decades no one is going to give a damn about the US vs. Europe, because Chindia is pretty much on its way to world domination, obviously most of China and India are relatively poor compared to the US and North America but dramatic change is on its way, jump ahead two decades, a long time, but these two countries will be considered "First World" by then. As far as that is concerned, having traveled to some of the more developed parts of Asia I have been noticing that Asian women in certain regions are "Americanized", America's way of life is being replicated all over the planet, China, India, and even Brazil will look like clones of the US by the time I am in my mid 50's. They want to have it all just like the women I knew back in the States.
One must think: Is there any hope in any of this?
Sinjau Master hopefully forgives me, but I feel obliged to make last comment. Truth deserves to prevail. Ok, this is between me and Doctor Skank :-)
Doctor Skank, I appreciate a sensible exchange of opinions, now and then, but your way of thinking in this particular case is neither logical nor coherent. Take for example when you blame German social security - You call it "socialist welfare system which is a self-serving parasite" (wow, Joseph R. McCarthy would be proud of you). In next sentence you are talking about poverty. How can there be poverty if there is a strong social security? It doesn't make any sense (neither did Joseph R. McCarthy).
Then you make a reservation - "It may not be American-style poverty, but it is the worst it has been in Germany since the 60's". Fist of all, in the 60's German economy boomed. Also in the 70's and 80's economical growth was way higher, and unemployment basically nonexistent. Germany imported labour force from Turkey, Italy, Greece among others. Average German enjoyed life to its fullest. Paradoxically (for you), yet you pontificate "the worst it has been in Germany since the 60's". The 60's were good, not bad.
Since you seem to enjoy statistics and are concerned about German unemployment while not fully understanding real unemployment rates in the U.S I will summarize for you.
In the USA, after a period (I think 6 months) of unemployment you are removed from the unemployment statistics and hence not unemployed. What a brilliant idea! Now we can bash the Europeans even more for their manipulated" unemployment rates. :-)
Fortunatley there are Americans who demand truth, like on this website (http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/371840291?ltl=1143862356):
"This nation is completely full of Bull capital S with a hit and I'm tired of it. Americans will glady consume whatever garbage they are told and do nothing no matter how bad. At least the unemployment rate should be true."
In EU statistics are handled with more respect, because shaping figures (hint Enron, Worldcom) is nothing but fooling oneself. So what does the unemployment situation look in Germany?
In Germany you are registered as unemployed as long you are unemployed. Meanwhile you receive unemployment benefits, and if you still dont find a job after 12 month, the state will provide you income anyway. It's called Einsatz von arbeitsmarktpolitischen Maßnahmen. Ok, but is still bad for German economy, right?
Of course it's not good if 10% Germans prefer to be unemployed and drink beer paid by tax payers. Oh, did I say prefer? Believe or not, but there is plenty of jobs in Germany, but with current social security many Germans rather stay home than take a job they don't like. If you recently were in Germany, I bet you have seen a lot of eastern Europeans who temporarily work in Germany. Odd, isn't it? 10% unemployment and yet herds of guest workers.
Everything is relative, and if we assume German economy sucks, then we have to be fair and claim that American economy is a complete disaster, right? I have already posted about it.
Next logical error - "EU may look strong on paper". Read my previous post (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=448582&postcount=3981) where I quote the U.S Department of State. 70% of FDIs in the U.S are from EU. Looking strong on paper won't buy you €731 ($877) billion of annual (2004) investments.
"Particularly Italy is adopting more liberal economic policies to boost its economy." Contrary to your beliefs Italian job market is more rigid than German or Dutch. Silvio Berlusconi have said "In Italy it is easier to divorce your wife than to fire a worker." Italy also has a quite powerful communist party, yes, communist party. Yet you have such respect for Italian economic policies.
The state sector in the UK, the one consuming tax payers money, takes 45% of British GDP. Figure for Germany is 46%. In which sense does UK economy bloom and German suck? You are cultivating myths.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have had this feeling before during discussions with Americans, namely flagrant attempts to convince one about general excellence of EU countries supporting U.S foreign policy. When you pointed out the UK and Italy as exemplary, and bashed Germany and France, the thought crossed my mind. I don't believe two parts can have a healty discussion if one lets (hard) feelings take over.
please note that Europe is governed by a government that WASNT ELECTED but rather APPOINTED, so much for democracySo was GW Bush.
Al Gore was elected by the people, GW Bush was appointed by the Supreme Court. Go buy a t-shirt (http://bushandcheneysuck.com/appointed-president.htm)
CBGBConnisur China is a communist state with enormous social and enviromental problems and India has institutionalized poverty (the cast-system). Natural resources worldwide become scarce and people panic because the poorest are getting little better off. There will undoubtly be a relatively small middle class and few extremely wealthy people, but the broad masses will remain in misery. So you think China and India will take over EU and the USA? Learn from the history and present time - Rich gets richer, poor gets poorer.
This may sound completely wacko but......
China and India will NEVER gain the kind of material affleunce the the western countries currently enjoy. Why? Because the level of global warming and associated climactic changes is going to cause massive disruptions in food production. Droughts and desertification will render much of the worlds farmland unproductive.
They will starve by the millions, if not billions, long before they all get their Sony and satellite TV. There will be social upheavals, wars and plenty of epidemics to go around as well. Sounds crazy? It's happened before, albeit on a smaller scale, to many civilizations. Take a look at the middle east. All those empires... Sumeria, Babylon, Assyria, Akkadia. That part of the world was called the fertile crescent because it was a great place for agriculture. Now most of it is a desert.
The same thing can easily happen to China, India and even the US is not invulnerable to mother nature. We probably still have a couple of good decades left, but I do wonder what kind of a world my kids will have to live in.
Rock
CBGBConnisur
04-01-06, 14:02
This may sound completely wacko but......
China and India will NEVER gain the kind of material affleunce the the western countries currently enjoy. Why? Because the level of global warming and associated climactic changes is going to cause massive disruptions in food production. Droughts and desertification will render much of the worlds farmland unproductive.
They will starve by the millions, if not billions, long before they all get their Sony and satellite TV. There will be social upheavals, wars and plenty of epidemics to go around as well. Sounds crazy? It's happened before, albeit on a smaller scale, to many civilizations. Take a look at the middle east. All those empires... Sumeria, Babylon, Assyria, Akkadia. That part of the world was called the fertile crescent because it was a great place for agriculture. Now most of it is a desert.
The same thing can easily happen to China, India and even the US is not invulnerable to mother nature. We probably still have a couple of good decades left, but I do wonder what kind of a world my kids will have to live in.
Rock
Maybe they won't have the same things we have today, but the more realistic scenario is that Asian countries will undercut more developed Western countries by producing cheaper products and services for less money. Every major Western multinational is scrambling for a piece of Asia. New world order is going to change things forever, nations as we know it won't exist. The most real scenario is that the wave of outsourcing will cause deflation in more developed countries in Europe and North America. These days because of communications, you can find someone in Bangalore to do the work of a programmer in San Jose for one tenth the cost.
Anothers news flash much of Western civilization is looking more and more third world. Look at whats been going on in Paris, New Orleans, London, and gulp.. Sydney(Cronulla riots). Even in the US, I was in NYC last December and things are going downhill there too. Yes we can blame Western women and their bitchiness for the destruction of civilization.
Could the fact that he has two kids and he wants to save his marriage fit anywhere in the equation? Sounds like he loves his family and is not just pussy whip, more power to him.
Guys
I have been trying to mostly rid my life of aws but they are still haunting me.
I have this friend from britain who is a little older than me. He is about 35 and has 2 kids.
The problem is that his wife told him she wanted to seperate, took the kids and moved 5 hours away closer to her family in Michigan. He is not happy about this.
Meanwhile, Im sure if the wife took him back, hed come crawling. Pussy whipped friends suck.
Could the fact that he has two kids and he wants to save his marriage fit anywhere in the equation? Sounds like he loves his family and is not just pussy whip, more power to him.
Roger that. man's taking care of his responsibilities and providing for his wife and kids.
Sinanju Master
04-01-06, 15:54
I have no prob about a couple wanting to separate if things aren't working out. However, for her to move five hours away from soon-to-be-ex hubby, is, in my view, treachery on her part. IF she wants her kids to have as normal a life as is possible under the circumstances of separation, do you think she'd uproot the kids and move FIVE HOURS AWAY, thereby making it more difficult for their father to be a significant part of their lives? She's only thinking of herself, and the outcome didn't surprise me in the least when I read the post. Now, she's in the driver's seat and while she's with the kids, she can bash daddy all she wants. If he has ANY problems whatsoever reaching the kids during what visitation may have been granted to him (inclement weather, traffic, car problems, inability to get time off work, other obligations) Mommy Dearest will say to the kids: "See, dears? Daddy doesn't love you, otherwise he would have been here when he said he would". All this is due to her throwing up a roadblock to try to help raise a family in difficult circumstances.
A friend of mine got divorced about 6 years ago. His ex-wife is actually too stupid to cause him any serious problems. But her mother is another story. She's been dreaming up crap so that they can keep fighting in court ever since the divorce.
The latest? Well, he has since remarried. He works and gets paid under the table.... so now the ex-mother-in-law is trying to see if they can get support payments from his new wife. Unbelievable but true.... not only that but he has to pay his own legal bills while they, as women, get their lawyer paid for. That way they can create never ending legal problems and court battles for my friend until he goes broke and can't fight anymore. If those b*tches had to pay their OWN legal bills, this would have been over a LONG time ago.
It sucks.
Rock
CBGB,
Much of what you said is true. It's already been going on for the last 10 or 15 years, but only now are people starting to realize how much of an effect it's having.
We are on a downward spiral towards the lowest common denominator. The western model (traditionally) has been to pay the workers a good wage in return for high productivity. That creates a well-off middle class between the rich and the poor. The third-world model is for a few rich people to control virtually all the wealth and pay the workers the bare minimum necessary for them to stay alive and keep working. This creates a society of about 2% rich and 98% poor people.
The riots you spoke of are the result of too many third-world immigrants being let in to those countries without any decent employment for them. Any time you get a pile of poor people together with no real hope for the future, that's just a riot waiting to happen.
We are trending more and more towards the third world type of society each year. Fred Reed has made some excellent observations on this very fact at his website.
Rock
Chocha Monger
04-02-06, 00:26
Cited from The New West Indian. N 5. Mar 2001:
Sex Tourism
Jamaïca, the Dominican Republic and Cuba, like other economically underdeveloped holiday destinations, are marketed as culturally different places and all tourists are encouraged to view this 'difference' as a part of what they have a right to consume on their holiday. The construction of difference takes place around ideas such as ‘natural’ vs. ‘civilised’, leisure vs. work and exotic vs. mundane, rich vs. poor, sexual vs. repressive, powerful vs. powerless.
Western, white, male sex tourists have been travelling to ‘Third World’ countries for many years and there is nothing new about the sexual exploitation of local women in this context. Indeed, there is long history of sexual exploitation of women under colonial rule and western men have long projected racist fantasies onto the ‘primitive’/natural Other. But the long haul tourist industry is turning this kind of post-colonial fantasy into an item of mass consumption. Sex guides written by white western men, such as Travel and the Single Male by Bruce Cassier tap into the idea of ‘difference’ to justify the sexual exploitation of Black women in these countries. They tell tourists that prostitution does not have the same meaning in the Caribbean as prostitution in the West. The sex guides say that Caribbean women are not really prostitutes but ‘nice’ girls who like to have a good time. A key component of sex tourism is the objectification of a sexualised racialised 'Other’. As author and self-confessed sex tourist Bruce Cassier says: "You think of those incredible....women, ranging in colour from white chocolate to dark chocolate, available to you at the subtle nod of your head or touch-of-your-hat." The racist stereotype of the exotic and erotic Black woman is also an image that is used to sell sex tourism in countries like the Dominican Republic and Cuba. ‘Blackness’ and the ideology which constructs it, is part of the commodity that sex tourists are buying.
Sex tourists are not an homogenous group: they may be women or men, Black, Asian or white, homosexual or heterosexual, middle class or working class. Numerically, the main group of sex tourists are Western, white, heterosexual men. However it is important to recognise that even amongst this group, there is diversity in terms of sexual interests and attitudes towards prostitute use. Although it is necessary to recognise differences between sex tourists in terms of their sexual practices, I want to tentatively suggest that sex tourism offers all of them opportunities to affirm a particular ‘racialised’ and gendered identity. So far as white male sex tourists are concerned, it is not just cheap sex that they pursue. They also like travelling to ‘Third World’ countries because they feel that somehow the proper order between the genders and between the ‘races’ is restored. Women and girls are at their command, Blacks and Hispanics and Asians are serving them, shining their shoes, cleaning their rooms and so on. All is as it should be.
Back home, Black political activism and feminist politics have challenged and undermined the unquestioned power which gave some white men a sense of self from their gender and racialised identity. In this sense, sex tourists find that their masculinity and racialised power is affirmed in ways that it is not at home. For example, sex tourists described how they loved the Dominican Republic because as white Westerners, they were placed at the apex of the social, economic and racial hierarchy. Two Canadians explained that in Canada, the welfare system penalised hard working individuals like themselves and rewarded the idle and "lazy" Blacks who lived off the state.
As we talked, two shoeshine boys aged eight and ten, approached offering to shine their shoes. We were in a bar and it had gone midnight, yet these children were walking around barefoot looking for tourist shoes to shine in order to earn money for their families. One of these sex tourists said: "In Canada, those kids would be sat in front of cable TV. Their parents’d be on welfare, and the whole family would be just watching TV. I know. I’m a real estate dealer, I see those people, how they live. They don’t want to work. They just get their welfare, and it’s the tax payer who gets the bill." Like many other sex tourists, these men were resentful of Blacks having even basic rights in Canada and prefer to see women and children prostituting themselves instead of "sponging" of the state. "At least they do something in return," they remarked.
But sex tourists can also give expression to more subtle forms of racism. Some also want to believe that they are inverting the hostile ‘race relations’ in their own country by mixing with Blacks in Cuba and the Dominican Republic. Their sexual relations with prostitutes become part and parcel of learning about the ‘real culture’, promoting racial harmony and reversing fears about ‘race’ conflict. While in their own countries they feel unable to approach Black men and women, when they travel they ‘get close’ to ‘Others’ and really bridge differences. A photographer from London complained that in London, "Coloured people keep to themselves," and that Black girls "won’t go out" with him. However in Cuba his economic power meant that he was approached by Black people, something which he took to imply that in "Cuba there is no racism."
It is not only anxieties about racialised power that are calmed, but also anxieties about gender. Sex tourists are also very resentful of women’s perceived power in the West. They fear Western women’s ability to reject their sexual advances and are alarmed by their demands for equality. A 37 year old market trader in Cuba argued that British women demand too much from men:
"It's funny, but in England, the girls I fancy don't fancy me and the ones that do fancy me, I don't fancy. They tend to be sort of fatter and older, you know, 35, but their faces, they look 40. But in Cuba, really beautiful girls fancy me. They're all over me. They treat me like a star. My girlfriend's jet black, she's beautiful. She's a ballerina. She's so fit it puts me to shame really. I don't get much exercise... Women in England want too much nowadays... I'm a market trader, but I've done quite well for myself. I bought a house on the Isle of Dogs before the property boom, and I made a lot of money on that. So I'm residing in Wimbledon now. But English girls, they want someone with a good job as well as money. They don't want someone like me. They want a lawyer or a doctor or something, they want to move up in the world, and I can't blame them... Cuban girls don't expect so much. If you take a Cuban girl out for dinner, she's grateful, whereas an English girl, she's grateful but she wants more really."
Prostitute women in the Hispanic Caribbean, by contrast, neither challenge nor demand anything very much from male sex tourists. Another sex tourist, a policeman from the US told me he liked going to the Dominican Republic because there he became a desirable object much in demand. "In the States," he said, "there are 20 men for every girl, here there are 20 girls for every man, and all of them eager to please." A couple of Yorkshire miners also enthused about how the girls they were with had not only had sex with them, but also washed their feet on the beach, put sun tan lotion on their backs, cleaned their rooms and fought over them, all for a mere $US25.
Having conducted interview research with male sex workers in Cuba, the Dominican Republic and Venezuela, in August 1997, I conducted preliminary research on female sex tourism in Negril, Jamaica. Semi-structured interviews were conducted with 45 individuals involved in the informal sex industry and female sex tourists. Data was also gathered from a questionnaire administered to an opportunistic sample of 86 tourists. The survey found that almost half of single women had entered into one or more sexual relationship with Jamaican men while on holiday. Although this was a non-random sample, and generalisations cannot be advanced on the basis of it, what one can conclude is that some women travel for sex in much the same way that some men do.
Moreover, it seems that female sex tourists are very similar to male sex tourists in terms of their attitudes and motivations and the narratives they use to justify their behaviour. Just as male sex tourism can be understood as an attempt to affirm a given racialised and gendered identity, so female sex tourism appears to reflect a concern to reverse and restore a particular order and to ensure their own position and power within that order.
Women have traditionally used travelling as a way of masculinising their identities rather than as a way of affirming their femininity. Today, some female sex tourists are travelling in order to penetrate traditional male domains, claiming traditional male powers to reaffirm their femininity. It is important for many female sex tourists to affirm their sense of 'womanliness' by being sexually desired by men. Women who feel rejected by men in the West for being ‘sort of fatter and older, you know, 35, but their faces, they look 40’, find that in Jamaica all this is reversed. Here they are chased and ‘romanced’, sweet talked and 'loved' by men and once again find that they exist as sexual objects. Sex tourism allows some Western women to sexualise their bodies in ways that would be difficult to achieve back home and to be desired by highly desirable men .
When asked to describe 'boyfriends' in the questionnaire most of the female sex tourists emphasised how for them Black Jamaican men possessed bodies of great sexual value. One woman described her lover as ‘sweet, friendly, gorgeous-great body’, and another as ‘Handsome, physically fit, 27 year old, honest, proud, serious, family man, excellent lover’. Black bodies become commodities which allow affluent Western women (both Black and white women) to experience an alternative form of embodied power. In this case they are allowed to be in control of masculinities which are ‘Black’, ‘hypersexual’ and ‘dangerous’. This type of female sex tourist does not want to establish a loving relationship with a Jamaican man and take him back to meet her parents nor does she challenge racism back home. Rather such women accept the notion of a racial hierarchy and welcome their position in it. Tourist destinations become a safe environment within which female sex tourists can enact control over a masculinity which is imagined stereotypically as aggressive and violent.
Even Western women who live up to Western ideals of beauty participate in sex tourism because they can use their greater economic power and/or racialised identities to exercise control over the relationships into which they enter with Jamaican men. One Jamaican in his 20’s who sold tour boat rides to tourists and also approached tourist women for ‘friendships’ told me of one relationship he had with an older, attractive white American divorcee in her 40’s: "Well, she tell me straight up front she start that she have three kids and she don’t want to get involved. We could do this, we could do that. She don’t want no personal relationship. One day you don’t hear from me, things happen, you must take it just like that because it’s not a long term relationship, ya know."
Such control means these women can limit the risk of being rejected or humiliated. As a woman remarked about the end of one such relationship "I got more out of him than he got out of me." They can also transgress sexual, gendered, racialised and age boundaries. Where at home they would be stigmatised for having legitimate or casual relations with Black men, younger men, ‘womanisers’ or for having many sexual partners, in holiday resorts such as Negril they are permitted to ‘consume’ the Black male, the younger boy, the playboy or as many men as they desire while maintaining their honour and reputation back home. Their sense of racialised superiority in Caribbean countries, together with their economic power also puts them on a level with white men and for once they can experience feeling more powerful than a man.
At a theoretical level, the most interesting feature of sex tourism is how locals involvement rests on using their ‘Blackness’ as part of the commodity that they are selling. For along with the actual services, whether it be acting as a guide, fruit seller, artist, or gigolo/prostitute, they are selling part of their personal self.
So long as it remains acceptable to use 'difference' as the Caribbean's unique selling point, the tourist industry will continue to provide a framework which permits (even encourages) sex tourism. This in turn serves to entrench not only inequalities between the West and developing countries, but also the very forms of racism and sexism which structure patterns of exclusion and exploitation...
Sinanju Master
04-02-06, 01:24
I had many of the same ideas in CM's post, but never voiced those observations, not thinkng they were very significant until I saw it in black and white and written by someone else. As for western women doing the same thing we do, I wasn't totally surprised, since Tony McMillan wrote the book: "How Stella Got Her Groove Back". As for the "subservient native" thing, I was never really comfortable with that (I never got into the role that some men would find alluring by "lording" over the help). I feel for Third Worlders and their plight, but I'm not gonna patronize anyone in any such country (as Christian missionaries did centuries ago) by being "magnanimous" and offering "help" and expecting to be viewed as some savior. I'll 'help" a local honey in ways that she is currently plying and contribute to her making a living.
It's obvious to us why we travel for sex/companionship but I believe I also travel for opportunity just like immigrants who come to america.Immigrants that are doing well here would be suffering in there country the same way we suffer from gender relations and other western culture related issues here.We immigrate for different reasons and I resent being identified as a sexual predator traveling to fulfill my needs(although I do).I'm not only looking to fulfill my needs but I'm looking for a better life and more opportunities.I would have more worry for myself if i just accepted "the way it is" which is what too many men do. I get reminded of this everyday.
We have this attitude that you have to accept your position in the western game or your doing wrong.Our society is stuck on the winners and losers theme I believe alot of winners would not feel like winners if there was no losers to verify their position..just a thought.
Sinanju Master
04-02-06, 02:47
there must ALWAYS be winners and losers, or it would upset the natural balance of things. There are those that will never realize their potential, and thereby occupy the bottom rungs of society. Then there are those that occupy the top rung either through sheer determination, luck or privilege. Each rung has its place and purpose and to disrupt that would throw things out of balance. I'm not advocating holding another human being back in order to make life better for those who enjoy better advantages, but helping them without their desire to do so is artificially altering whole. The helpers efforts would be for naught. If things go as I have planned, in a few months, I will be MUCH HIGHER on the rung, but I will also have retained my perspective regarding where I came from and how much I DON'T want to go back to that situation.
Thats why women get pissed off when guys go to other countries to get laid or pay for it...because they dont get the security of knowing someone else is suffering while they spread for their well being.
They get pissed off, or act disgusted, because deep down inside they are realizing what we have done. We have bypassed their social pussy barrier and set an absolute limit on how much that pussy is worth.
Instead of some magical thing of almost limitless value, it becomes an easily accessible commodity worth maybe $50 bucks a shot. They are pissed off the same way a store owner would be if someone else set up shiop right across the street and offered the same goods for a small fraction of the price.
Rock
Sinanju Master
04-02-06, 18:20
think of DeBeers and the diamond industry. Diamonds aren't NEARLY as valuable as the public thinks, but since their vallue is artificially maintained, the public is mostly clueless.
DeBeers = Diamond cartel.
North American Women = Pussy cartel.
They both work on the same principal.... inflate the perceived value of a commodity by maintaining a strict monopoly control over the supply.
Rock
Chocha Monger
04-04-06, 07:48
“Diamonds are a girl’s best friend.” How many times have you heard that? American and other women are crazy for diamonds. Yes. They will trample each other for the chance at digging a diamond ring out of a cake. A big diamond ring is an indication of a woman’s position in the henpecking order. Her friends and co-workers gather around to oh and ah at it. They all marvel at the number of carats and wish that they could get a bigger fool to buy them one with even more carats. It’s just a girl thing, right?
Well, actually it represents more. It is the symbol of women’s greed and the power they wield in getting men to murder each other. That diamond may just be a blood diamond, also known as a conflict diamond. These diamonds are mined in war zones and sold to finance insurgents and armies in African nations such as Sierra Leone and Angola. Thanks to the money that some American man paid for that diamond an African had their sleeves shortened, meaning their arms were hacked off with a machete by rebels.
Yet, women will tell you how much better the world would be if they were in charge, while wearing that big diamond ring or necklace. I guess the blacks in the Third World with no arms or legs to farm their lands are not part of the world. Perhaps, they don’t count as human beings. I warn you guys about listening to feminist propaganda. You hear it everyday and it blinds you to the true nature of women. They tell you that we should take away guns from men because it makes them dangerous, but what about diamonds? Shouldn’t we ban the use of diamonds in jewelry because it turns little black boys into child soldiers and finances atrocities committed against little black girls in Africa? Why aren’t these women refusing to wear diamonds? Why don’t they help stop genocide? Don’t they know that these diamonds helped finance the September 11 attacks upon their nation?
What about gold? Yes, women love lots of gold jewelry. Is anything wrong with that? If you don’t give a shit about the environment or robbing indigenous peoples then it isn’t. Gold mining: creates 96% of US arsenic emissions; 50% of newly mined gold is taken from native lands; makes ground water thousands of times more acidic than battery acid; is implicated in human rights abuses; produces 79 tons of mine waste for every ounce of gold; employs only 0.09% of the global workforce; and accounts for up to 10% of the world’s energy consumption. Think about that the next time you see your girlfriend or wife eyeing that gold bracelet. Gentlemen, please open your eyes and stop believing the lies these women tell you. If they are so sensitive and nurturing why are they proudly contributing to the demise and suffering of people in Peru, Indonesia and Ghana. They are swift to have you condemned and thrown in jail because you dared to buy pussy in those places. Yes, you are a mean evil man and you should go to hell for it. Never mind the gold she has around her neck, wrists, and hanging from her ears and even nose.
Women say that we men are animals, savage beasts always spoiling for a fight. They are against the war in Iraq, no blood for oil. However, I still see these women driving SUVs. Don’t they know that their H2 Hummer or Chevy Suburban is needlessly guzzling fuel and contributing to America’s dependence on foreign oil, hence our current involvement in the Middle East? Men, by buying these vehicles to impress women or to content them you are contributing to your brothers’ deaths on foreign soil. It is true that you will not get any pussy in America if you drive a fuel efficient vehicle, but would you prefer to have another man’s blood on your hands just so that you can have a shine on your wick?
I know that my detractors will attack me because they are feminist sympathizers. They are weak minded fools brainwashed by anti-man propaganda. Let them go home to their wives and girlfriends and beg for sex like the well trained dogs that they are. If they do not want to hear the truth they can put me on ignore. It shouldn’t be necessary in any case because they should be too busy fucking the women that they defend so much to be reading my posts. One day they will wake up and discover that they are the ones who need to be defended from these very same women. Women have the courts and the police to protect them. What do you have to protect yourself from her when she decides to hand you your ass?
Are you so foolish to believe that a foreign woman would still let you come in her mouth after she gets to the USA? Try it and let me know in three years time. Women are so good at deceiving men. She will appear unconcerned about getting a visa; she will convince you than her only concern is being with you because you are such a good and handsome man. How can you not believe her? Who is to blame, Delilah for her deceit or Samson for his stupidity? Women cannot help being what they are, they follow their nature. In her country she is weak and you are strong, in your country you are weak and she is strong. The strong lioness will feast on the carcass of the kind wildebeest.
If she comes from a culture that only respects force then in America she will know that you are nothing more than her slave. Look at her cross eyed and she will have the cops beating you silly. You will blame her and call her ungrateful, but you should be blaming yourself. You were the stiff necked fool who turned away from reason and gave in to your loins. The power to be exploited is in your hands.
CBGBConnisur
04-05-06, 00:27
Very interesting report Chocha, I honestly don't think the world would be any more better off if women were in charge in fact some of the most vicious politicians and leaders in our world are women. Hilary Clinton authorised the war in Iraq by the way. So did several other female senators. Condoleeza Rice is touring the world to get people ready for the US invasion of Iran.
Anybody here remember Margaret Thatcher? Now there was a real cast-iron ****!
If memory serves, she was the one told George Bush senior not to be such a pussy and go kick Saddam's ass.
Rock
CBGBConnisur
04-05-06, 02:51
Condi Rice is trying to convince all US allies that Iran must be turned into a parking lot. So much for women promoting peace. Oh by the way Hilary Clinton vote FOR military action in Iraq.
There was something I read about Lyndie England of Abu Gharib fame, it seems as though she had a childhood beef against men, and used her position in the prison to take out her frustrations on Iraqi prisoners.
A FEMALE (lest anyone think this propaganda-well probably not on this board) marketing professor lectured that the biggest factor driving phenomenal SUV sales was that they meet a female need (paraphrased) for overcompensation against superior physical power possessed by others (males). In other words, I am furthering the need to spill blood all over the middle east because I can't handle that a man has superior physical power.
The meeting of this need is typically rationalized in some way....."It keeps my family safe." I personally laugh my ass off every time I hear about some dumbass kid getting killed rolling Mommy's expidtion....or every time I see one run off the road in bad weather because the dumb fuck driving it gets delusions of grandeur and thinks they are unstopable.
B9k
Sinanju Master
04-05-06, 03:24
if women are the smarter of the species, then WHY do they not understand that such vehicles consume ENORMOUS amounts of gas, taking away money that could be better spent on the improvement of their families? It reminds me of a newscast I once saw where a woman was bemoaning the high cost of gas, YET she possessed a LAND ROVER and more than likely NEVER took the vehicle OFF-ROAD!
Chocha Monger
04-05-06, 03:57
Gentlemen, I know that some of you come to this site for nothing more than to look at the pictures, read titillating stories and to make a quick wank. If that is all that interests you then please feel free to skip over this post and head to the photo gallery. If you are a feminist sympathizer there is also more suitable fare in other parts.
Brothers, I am sure that you all have heard the news in the media about the horrible murder of the Reverend Matthew Winkler. He was brutally shot in the back by his murderous wife Mary Winkler. There were no signs of a struggle, nor did this man have any history of involvement in domestic violence. His children bear no signs of ever having been abused by him.
Yet, the feminists and their lackeys have been spreading speculation that this man, a good man, was most likely an abuser of his wife or children. Even after his wife confessed to the murder, they are seeking ways and means of declaring her innocent of her heinous crime. This man’s spotless reputation is being smeared by vicious feminist innuendo of child molestation and spousal abuse. All of this was being done before this man was even given a decent burial. Rev. Winkler’s only crime was that of being male in America.
The war of gendercide against men in this country has commenced. This woman fatally shot her husband in the back in cold blood, took his children and fled across multiple state lines. She was only caught hundreds of miles away after an amber alert. She admitted that she murdered her husband. If this was a man it would be an open and shut case, and the feminists would be screaming, “Hang him high!”
This woman is as guilty as sin, but the media is already colluding with the feminists to justify setting her free. There is already talk of a “jury pardon” where the jurors will find her “not guilty” because they sympathize with the fact that she is a woman with three kids. Men, not one of us will be safe from cold blooded female assassins; they will kill us as we sleep and concoct vicious lies to justify it.
Reject foolish notions of love and marriage for it shall be the end of us. Pay for your meat if you must and then be on your way. They are more noble pursuits in life than that of hanging a beautiful murderess off your arm. If you want to be admired by society there is science, art, business, politics and more; surely you can find your niche somewhere. Marriage is a choice and a foolish one at that.
CBGBConnisur
04-05-06, 04:27
Traveling around the world, I pretty much feel Western civilization is about to collapse, maybe not overnight, but the writing is on the wall, and we can attribute this primarily to Western women and feminism. The birthrate in all of the industrialized nations have dropped considerably due to feminism and the fact that many Western nations including Australia have generous social benefit systems which benefit women but screw working men over, so in essence an American, German, British, Ozzie, Canadian female doesn't need a husband to survive, which is essentially why women get married, in traditional times the man was the center of the household and pillar. Families are therefore breaking apart and many people are becoming discouraged from marriage and having children. Birthrates in every industrialized nation have fallen. Anglosaxon countries like the US, Canada, Australia, and the UK have addressed this fall with increased immigration from mostly third world countries which has created a host of new problems. Countries in Europe are pretty much trying to manage with their own resources but to little avail. Unfortunately feminists reign free on the continent too. Many European nations have struggled because of aging populations. Large corporations facing falling profits and growth are now looking to relatively poor countries particularly in Asia and Latin America(to some degree Eastern Europe and Russia, ever notice how German exports are climbing but local Germans can't find job in their own country?) to make up for this slack, you don't have as strong an anti-male atmosphere as you do in the West, so hence they have young and healthy populations, the perfect market for your average multinational. Jobs are being outsourced at an alarming rate, in the short run it makes things cheaper for those of us in the West, but in the long run our wealth, technological advances and knowledege will go to poorer nations and make them "rich". All of this can be attributed to the fact that women in the West no longer see themselves in their traditional roles as mothers and wives.
I agree with CB, the United States will not be the shining star in the sky in 25 years. I know that I am working hard to get out. A couple things are scaring the shit out of me. Although the overall birth rate is appearently down, idiots are radically outpacing others in reproduction. An observation: Every educated, couple I know who has their shit together has a maximum of 2 kids. Conversely, almost every train wreck of a single mommy I know has at least 3. In my estimation, that means that in 20 years, there will be (assuming equal numbers now) 30% more idiots. We have enough of them now, thank you very much.
I have a declaration: Henceforth, SUV's will be known as TFB's=Tanks For B*tches.
Sydnicate talk radio guy Tom Leykis had me rolling tonight. He started in on Basic Instinct II being made due to PC bullshit-more or less Sharon Stone saying "I (by proxy American Woman), am at 48 all that I ever was at 24. I am hot, I am sexy, and I am beautiful. People will flock to the theatres to see my naked body again 14 years later"
The film did like 3.2 million it's opening weekend, on over 1000 screens. Tom did some math-it works out like 200 tickets sold per theater-figure 10 shows between Friday AM and Sunday PM-average of 20 attendees per show-wouldn't even fill up the first two rows.
Also notable was Bill Maher. HBO this week is playing his 2003 special "Victory Begins at Home". I was rolling on the ground laughing as he sniped at the results of the 2000 election-(roughly paraphrased) "Women put a simplistic moron and a bunch of greedy corporate interests in charge of the free world because THEY ONLY FUCK THEIR WIVES. OH NO, we can't have any more of that horndog wildman business.............Bill does it a lot better than I do-trust me.
B9K
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04-05-06, 18:18
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A FEMALE (lest anyone think this propaganda-well probably not on this board) marketing professor lectured that the biggest factor driving phenomenal SUV sales was that they meet a female need (paraphrased) for overcompensation against superior physical power possessed by others (males). In other words, I am furthering the need to spill blood all over the middle east because I can't handle that a man has superior physical power.
The meeting of this need is typically rationalized in some way....."It keeps my family safe." I personally laugh my ass off every time I hear about some dumbass kid getting killed rolling Mommy's expidtion....or every time I see one run off the road in bad weather because the dumb fuck driving it gets delusions of grandeur and thinks they are unstopable.
B9k
More than just that professor claim that. Women believe that larger cars are safer in an accident. Most buy the biggest ones they can afford. My own mother was that way. She always convinced my father to buy big cars.
I noted to a former colleague, who loved driving a huge SUV, that if everyone is driving an SUV then there is no increase in safety. The safety only comes from an SUV being hit by a small sedan. Two expeditions is a MAJOR accident. She replied that I just gave a good reason to get an even bigger SUV!
I wish I could manipulate women, using their own reasoning, as expertly as product marketers!
Chocha Monger
04-05-06, 21:19
On the subject of American women and SUVs check these out:
http://www.chevyapprentice.com/view.php?country=us&uniqueid=bfb059fc-1230-1029-98eb-0013724ff5a7
http://www.chevyapprentice.com/view.php?country=us&uniqueid=f674c6e2-10bb-1029-98eb-0013724ff5a7
I think feminism is the biggest threat to humanity IMO in next 10-50 years unless the next generation of men rise up and take them down.
I noted to a former colleague, who loved driving a huge SUV, that if everyone is driving an SUV then there is no increase in safety. The safety only comes from an SUV being hit by a small sedan. Two expeditions is a MAJOR accident. She replied that I just gave a good reason to get an even bigger SUV!This is virtually true. However total cost for a driving a SUV is can be pretty high, so the spectrum of car owners gets polarized. You may be an idiot, but still must be able to afford driving a SUV.
For my part, I have to admit that whenever I visit the USA, I rent a SUV too. Why? I would be to afraid sitting in a Honda Civic on a four lanes highway, surrounded by angry looking SUV and terribly bad drivers. As others pointed out, most of those drivers are houswives, carelessly steering the monsters from hell. Check out (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?o=7&f=/c/a/2006/03/12/MNG9BHMTS51.DTL) how a smaller car accident affects a SUV vs. compact car.
CBGBConnisur
04-06-06, 01:21
Western women in general are just bad news, bring a woman from a developing country into a rich one, and you will notice the difference. I have started to notice that Asian women in Australia are not much different than your average AngloCeltic Australian female.
It's a difference in perception/world view that is caused by the difference levels of wealth.
In a so-called poor country, a man with a good job is considered to be a real prize, the path to security and stability. He is looked at as someone to be loved and supported.
In a so-called rich country, a man with a good job is nice to have, but not all that neccessary. More often than not, he will be viewed as a competitor, someone the woman should keep an eye on... to make sure he doesn't get out of line or try to take advantage of her. He is a potential source of revenue that is easily accessed through the legal system in the event that the relationship doesn't work out.
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DJ FourMoney
04-06-06, 08:57
this is virtually true. however total cost for a driving a suv is can be pretty high, so the spectrum of car owners gets polarized. you may be an idiot, but still must be able to afford driving a suv.
for my part, i have to admit that whenever i visit the usa, i rent a suv too. why? i would be to afraid sitting in a honda civic on a four lanes highway, surrounded by angry looking suv and terribly bad drivers. as others pointed out, most of those drivers are houswives, carelessly steering the monsters from hell. check out (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?o=7&f=/c/a/2006/03/12/mng9bhmts51.dtl) how a smaller car accident affects a suv vs. compact car.
i'll let the driver off the hook a bit in that accident as the people in the other car where following too closely for the speed and weather conditions allowed.
notice the damp pavement, that's not optimal for braking or steering.
but i have seen far more suv's that have been in accidents or flipped over on the freeway belonging to female owners. the problem is they learned how to drive in a sedan or coupe. they don't quite understand they are driving a high-profile automoblie with a high center of gravity. any sudden motion over-burdens the suspension and tires and you loose control. if you just have to drive an suv, get one that really drives like a car like the benz and bmw models do. i know that doesn't excite alot of women because they rather drive those huge road tanks and proclaim its protecting their children.
i don't see any ads about suriviving accidents. the one ad that does stand out is country music star barbara mandrell's accident she had, head on my might add in her benz 500 sedan. if there's a link online, you'll see that the benz was a crumbled mess, but her and her kids survived that and her husband sent a letter to meredes-benz thanking them for building such a strong car.
90% of the people that buy suv's, don't need them, and would be just as safe on the road in a volvo, bmw, audi or benz.
CBGBConnisur
04-06-06, 10:51
Standard of living? Come on, I know people across the pond are obsessed with taxes, but taxes are fine, as long there is a value, like free health care and so much other services. I have little desire in getting involved in quasi-economical debates on a mongering forum, but please don't compare apples and oranges. Somebody mentioned three cars in front of the house. Where? Manhattan? Europe is much more dense populated and some 'luxuries' get automatically very very expensive. Standard of living, my a**. This is more scientific data from the UN Human Development. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Human_Development_Index)
1. Norway
2. Iceland
3. Australia
4. Luxembourg
5. Canada
6. Sweden
7. Switzerland
8. Ireland
9. Belgium
10. United States
I have actually lived in the Number 3 country on the list for the past 6 years, guess what? The standard of living in the US is far superior to Australia. The bottom half of Swedes would rank in the bottom 5 percent of American households in terms of income. The UN is the biggest America hating organization in the world. Fuck them.
I have never quite figured out why the sexual urge of men and women differ so much. And I never have figured out the whole Venus and Mars thing. I have never figured out why men think with their head and women with their heart.
FOR EXAMPLE
One evening last week, my girlfriend and I were getting into bed. Well, the passion starts to heat up, and she eventually says "I don't feel like it, I just want you to hold me."
I said "WHAT????!!! What was that?!"
So she says the words that every boyfriend on the planet dreads to hear..."You're just not in touch with my emotional needs as a woman enough for me to satisfy your physical needs as a man."
She responded to my puzzled look by saying, "Can't you just love me for who I am and not what I do for you in the bedroom?"
Realizing that nothing was going to happen that night, I went to sleep.
The very next day I opted to take ! the day off of work to spend time with her. We went out to a nice lunch and then went shopping at a big, big
unnamed department store. I walked around with her while she tried on several different very expensive outfits . She couldn't decide which one to take so I told her, "We'll just buy them all". She wanted new shoes to compliment her new clothes, so I said, "Lets get a pair for each outfit". We went onto the jewellery department where she picked out a pair of diamond
earrings. Let me tell you...she was so excited. She must have thought I was one wave short of a shipwreck. I started to think she was testing me because she asked for a tennis bracelet when she doesn't even know how to play tennis. I think I threw her for a loop when I said, "That's fine, honey."
She was almost nearing sexual satisfaction from all of the excitement. Smiling with excited anticipation she finally said, "I! think this is all dear, let's go to the cashier."
I could hardly contain myself when I blurted out, "No honey, I don't feel like it."
Her face just went completely blank as her jaw dropped with a baffled "WHAT???!!!" I then said, "Really honey! I just want you to HOLD this stuff for a while. You're just not in touch with my financial needs as a man enough for me to satisfy your shopping needs as a woman."
And just when she had this look like she was going to kill me, I added, "Why can't you just love me for who I am and not for the things I buy you?"
But I have seen FAR more SUV's that have been in accidents or flipped over on the freeway belonging to FEMALE OWNERS. The problem is they learned how to drive in a sedan or coupe. They don't quite understand they are driving a high-profile automoblie with a high center of gravity. Any sudden motion over-burdens the suspension and tires and you loose control. If you just HAVE to drive an SUV, get one that really drives like a car like the Benz and BMW models do. I know that doesn't excite alot of women because they rather drive those huge road tanks and proclaim its protecting their children.
The reason US females need SUVs is because as they get older, heavier and more feminist, they can no longer fit in their old beginner sedan or coupe because most AWs weigh 200+ pounds. High center of gravity? Well, their heavy weight in itself topples the SUV to one side and since the SUV is already top heavy, the AWs weight adds to this problem. Protect the children? Well, AWs often use the children as a poor excuse for their stupid actions like censorship because they don't want us American men to have all the fun.
Sinanju Master
04-06-06, 16:54
Astor Bryan, before I got near the end of your story, I was saying to myself: "Oh my god! The dude is wussing out on us!" Then when I saw that you turned the tables on her, I laffed out loud.... HARD!!! At the moment, I have a grin on my face that a plastic surgeon can't get rid of! Brilliant fucking move,man!
And if the fat girls think they deserve me, what do the girls that are actually attractive think they deserve? Probably movie star looks, big time money, and the list goes on and on I bet.
Its pretty funny.Yes you are dead-on. Most AW's are deluded. I gave up on the online thing for AW's long ago. I was both amused & nauseated by all the porkers who thought they were good enough for me. I'm slender, educated, polite, in great shape, make decent money, come from a good family, yet my AW counterpart believes her only match makes over $300k.
However, I did meet my current (and hot!) GF on a Japanese penpal site. I'll use the internet only to find foreign women.
I've been playing that game for awhile and when it first came out I had some pretty good times but with way below average meat . These days in new york people are looking for a sex in the city espisode to come to life so you have all these idiots online with no intention to meet anyone or screw just to play little dating oriented mind games like they do on sex and the city *and to keep themselves busy at work.
Guys are on it to get laid and women are on it to play.I always go for the grosser looking girls because I know the good looking ones will go on date after date leeching from suckers.
I swear I cant smell the stench of another fat chick unless shes a plump latin mamita..for some reason I dig the plumpish latin ladies.
Fat chicks are the coolest women you will meet in america because they face the same thing guys do.Also remember that there are a ton of guys who would unload into some fat chick and online is a haven for them to fulfill these desires because guys can do it without anyone knowing it. The way it works in our society is you earn your pussy and if your not up to par you just settle for what you get or you work harder till you get what you want...in the long run all anybody gets is trouble.My sister and alot of her friends are going through ugly divorces right now.I'm glad I'm the odd man out on this one.
Has anyone tried using this site?
http://adultfriendfinder.com
I have been thinking about giving it a try in the hopes that it isn't another one of those rip-off sites.
My oh my!!!!! What kind of monsters have we created???? Here's an AW posting on CL. Are there really any AM out there that would pay this much.
oh yea - w4m - 23
Reply to: pers-148886238@craigslist.org
Date: 2006-04-06, 7:20PM EDT
im so horney make me cum on your face and i will return the favor, upscale gentlemen need only apply. $1,000 for bbbj, massage,69, aromatherapy, daty, and russian. im 5'6 135lbs strawberry blonde hair no pics though sorry. light screening req. send me your local phone number and let me make you feel good.
Yes, It is!
Has anyone tried using this site?
http://adultfriendfinder.com
I have been thinking about giving it a try in the hopes that it isn't another one of those rip-off sites.
Has anyone tried using this site?
http://adultfriendfinder.com
I have been thinking about giving it a try in the hopes that it isn't another one of those rip-off sites.
It was knee deep in bullshit 8 years ago and I don't think it's gotten any better. Don't make me tell the story about the "big titted hotty, 38 " who was more like "bag lady, 53" again. She was from AFF. Trust me dude, don't give them money.
B9K
Ditto adult friend finder is one of those over produced websites.It seems they also run asian friendfinder and so on....I wouldn't doubt if it was run by a blue chip company.
I find the best ones to join are websites started by normal everyday people like the gen X crowd.I've been messing around with a site called friendster which is really just to keep in touch with friends but I send emails to girls and its the usual bullshit but at least I'm not paying for it(it's free).I'm over match.com etc. usually the women are really lame in terms of everything or its just women going out on numerous dates.I've had a few girls brag about the # of responses they have gotten next to my 2 or 3 its out of control.
Maybe try yahoo personals for a month which seems to have more of an edge for some reason than match.com or I've heard of myspace.com through the news.
DJ FourMoney
04-07-06, 11:31
I have on and off success with online dating. I'm on a bit of a streak now since I started getting serious about my upcoming European Tour. The German ladies are starting to line up...
I also met a Hungrian girl that has been in the US 6 years and TOTALLY uneffected by the typical thinking of American women, which she finds stupid and almost funny. Totally refreshing. What's even better she lives less than 5 mins from where I'm posting this...
I'm not going to put my eggs in one basket and she has some "green card" issues she needs to take care before anything serious happens between us. So currently the phyical part of the relationship is on hold, but you should see the SMS she sends me 4-5 times a day. She's gunna crack and when she does, I'll be there to catch her, but I will still go to Europe and enjoy myself, just to confirm she is worth and honestly I know its been only a few days, I can say she is 100% worth it.
I would suggest sites you all can use, but the sites I use are rather specific in the type of women I want to meet.
But for the brothas on this board, start tapping into loveiscolorblind and interracial match. Love Is Colorblind is apart of the Tango Network, where they host about 2-3 other IR Datng sites so doing an entire network search gives you profiles you wouldn't see in a normal search of the site your on.
If you seek foriegn women, then start in Germany... I count at least 70-80 profiles, its prolly higher, most of them in the 25-35 & 35-45 age bracket and about 1/3 of them real stunners on any level. Quite a few MILF's on there if you like leftovers, as most of these Single mothers have children fathered by US servicemen or just regular Americans living abroad.
The UK also has alot of profiles, but far more BBW's or just flat ugly. Of course their culture is directly connected to ours, so YMMV with them...My luck has generally been good with UK women.
So far I have the interest of 2 German ladies, both with 3 kids a piece. I haven't heard back from the other ones yet, but its only been a 2 weeks or so. #1 I talk to everyday and she SMS's me almost daily. The second one finally got settled from moving and she's free to start talking to me and we haven't even got to the profiles I have saved on the Tango Network yet, which has the strongest talent level on it by far.
I have contacted 10 total on IR Match, heard back from 6 of them. One is the girl from Hungry, and 3 of them are from Germany. I also have gotten a postive reply back from another childless lady in Utah and I'm seriously considering going their before going to Europe, she has amazing light blue eyes...
So generally the going is good, but I have been a member of some of these sites since 2002 and my sucess overall is pretty bad actually. But I do go on hot streaks like this every so often.
I'm waiting on some new pictures I had taken of myself to post on the Tango Network just to give the ladies some eye candy to look at when considering to reply to me and maybe prompt any new members to contact me.
My roster should be full as I prolly only have room for maybe 4 total given that German lady #1 is on me hardcore and I'm formulating my plan around her actually but that's only until I have a FULL idea of who, what, when and where.
The Hungrian really threw a Monkey Wrench into it because she's HOT, childless and undersexed at 31 years of age. Have I mentioned she's local?
:D
If we have sex, I really don't know what will happen because my desire to spend all that money to go to Europe would pale to chillin with this hottie as I haven't been contacted by anything better so far, but like I said, Im going to give the other sites a shot first, because I know of at least 10 stunners, 4 from the UK, 2 from Sweden (though one is only 22, but really, really cute) and the rest come from Germany. There's one stunner from Prague, but she's only 18 and I'm not totally sure how European, even Eastern European women feel about much older men, even though I can pass for 25 with ease.
I got my passport yesterday and a USB Handset to talk to these European hunies dirt cheap on Skype.
So there's my helpful hint(s) and an update on my trip all in one...
I signed in with AFF before my foreign travel adventures and giving up on AWs and yes, the ONLY responses I got WAS from BBWs and ugly bagwomen. The attractive ones post their porn paysites on their profile hoping to get customers to "view their kinky pics for $39.99 a month". After wadiong through ugly chicks and fake responses, I finally did get a date with one of them and she was a BBW. On top of that, she gave me a friend's number and decided to be "fashionably late" (about 1 and a half hours late but I waited anyway until she showed). Then a BBW appeared instead of the girl on the pic that was slimmer. It turned out that was an old pic BEFORE she had a daughter that she didn't list on the profile. Sheesh! at least tell the truth. I didn't want to marry into a pre-made family and have top support a kid that is not mine so I didn't want a single mom.
In all ways, these ads are flat out lies. I then tried match.com. There were fewer pay ads from attractive girls profiles but I only got responses from BBWs and there didn't seem to be a single attractive woman responding to me. I also saw more honesty in that they at least admitted they only date within their race rather than say they date outside but skip over my profile seeing I am Asian and not white, black, or Latino. I scratched that site.
A site that my co-worker used that did hook him up with a good looking girl is J-Date (J stands for Jewish) but unfortunately I am Chinese so that leaves me out in the dust. Those of you who are Jewish can find what you want on this site. Even a geek like my co-worker can get laid using that site and he didn't have to travel half way around the world like I have to being Asian in New York where the dating scene is most unfavorable.
I haven't found a good asian site yet. I even tried adultfriender''s sister site "Asian friendfinder" and it was a sausage factory there - about 5000 guys to 200 girls when I joined. Geez, China's one child policy REALLY screwed up this eco-system. That why I HATE my so-called "homeland" -as people suppose I came from or want me to come from but I was born and raised in Brooklyn. Don't get me wrong, I am not at all ashamed of being Chinese, but yes, the government can ruin things. It is like I am proud of being American but I hate Bush.
plentyoffish.com is an ok dating site, but the best part is that it's free.
Typical ratio is 3-1 guys to girls.
DJ FourMoney
04-07-06, 20:29
DarkSeid -
Check it:
Try Interracialmatch.com
There a few girls on there, attractive ones that want to date Asian dudes. Granted there aren't a ton of them, but they are out there. Its fairly cheap, I re-join whenever there enough women for be to be interested in.
Good Luck - www.interracialmatch.com
I signed in with AFF before my foreign travel adventures and giving up on AWs and yes, the ONLY responses I got WAS from BBWs and ugly bagwomen. The attractive ones post their porn paysites on their profile hoping to get customers to "view their kinky pics for $39.99 a month". After wadiong through ugly chicks and fake responses, I finally did get a date with one of them and she was a BBW. On top of that, she gave me a friend's number and decided to be "fashionably late" (about 1 and a half hours late but I waited anyway until she showed). Then a BBW appeared instead of the girl on the pic that was slimmer. It turned out that was an old pic BEFORE she had a daughter that she didn't list on the profile. Sheesh! at least tell the truth. I didn't want to marry into a pre-made family and have top support a kid that is not mine so I didn't want a single mom.
In all ways, these ads are flat out lies. I then tried match.com. There were fewer pay ads from attractive girls profiles but I only got responses from BBWs and there didn't seem to be a single attractive woman responding to me. I also saw more honesty in that they at least admitted they only date within their race rather than say they date outside but skip over my profile seeing I am Asian and not white, black, or Latino. I scratched that site.
A site that my co-worker used that did hook him up with a good looking girl is J-Date (J stands for Jewish) but unfortunately I am Chinese so that leaves me out in the dust. Those of you who are Jewish can find what you want on this site. Even a geek like my co-worker can get laid using that site and he didn't have to travel half way around the world like I have to being Asian in New York where the dating scene is most unfavorable.
I haven't found a good asian site yet. I even tried adultfriender''s sister site "Asian friendfinder" and it was a sausage factory there - about 5000 guys to 200 girls when I joined. Geez, China's one child policy REALLY screwed up this eco-system. That why I HATE my so-called "homeland" -as people suppose I came from or want me to come from but I was born and raised in Brooklyn. Don't get me wrong, I am not at all ashamed of being Chinese, but yes, the government can ruin things. It is like I am proud of being American but I hate Bush.
Chocha Monger
04-08-06, 00:32
DJ,
Don't get bogged down with any particular woman. If you want the best value for your dollars, fuck and flee! Getting too emotionally connected with these women before you really know them is bad business. A lot of European women are players and fucking you is no big deal to them, especially the Swedes. Be careful or you just might end up being someone's chocolate fix and end up pulling up the sheets the next morning with some money on the night stand like Eddie Murphy in Boomerang.
3F those skanks and yell out, "Next!"
Okay, I'm off to finish packing for my trip.
CBGBConnisur
04-08-06, 05:40
Australia is now becoming too much like the US thanks to globalization, Oprah is now showed here on TV. I plan on packing my bags for Eastern Europe in about 5 years, hopefully I plan to wind up in Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic or somewhere else with some fine Eastern Euro females. I do like America and what my forefathers did to bring democracy around the world, but it seems as if our great country has been snatched by the feminazis who are looking to spread their ideology around the planet.
I don't know why, or how, relative to gentile online dating, but I have seen both men scoring dates, and also actual attractive females (I know them in real life-they use it) on it.
B9K
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