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This is what an AW expects when dating: http://msn.match.com/msn/article.aspx?articleid=6056&TrackingID=516311&BannerID=544657&menuid=6>1=8233
With all due respect, CM, aren't most of us here to STOP dating AWs??!!??!!??!!?? Most of us already know, from painful experience, what AWs expect. We are tired of trying to give it and have moved on.
Deal Seeker
06-05-06, 00:15
Movies
In all those Tracy-Hepburn movies more than a half-century ago, it was the snap and crackle of a romance between equals that was so exciting. You still see it onscreen occasionally - the incendiary chemistry of Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie playing married assassins aiming for mutually assured orgasms and destruction in "Mr. and Mrs. Smith." Interestingly, that movie was described as retro because of its salty battle of wits between two peppery lovers. Moviemakers these days are more interested in exploring what Steve Martin, in his novel "Shopgirl," calls the "calm cushion" of romances between unequals. I just viewed "Shopgirl". To me it paints the picture that an older man is an exploiter of young women AKA the bad guy. Nothing could be further from the truth. Martin's character did pay off the balance of Dane's character's loans. But I did enjoy the not-at-all-unrealistic blonde that gave Dane's character advice and how to manipulate men.
I recommend forum members watch this movie.
Damn I am back and still on a high from this playboy material type girl I had in argentina. I loved it! She was very high end and cost 200usd, but this type of high class escort could go for 1000usd in nyc so I thought it was worth it.
Anyways now that I had a women of that quality, thats all I want. I want to date hot women only. Not fat chicks allowed. No average chicks allowed for that matter either. Of course I figure I should hold up my end and make some decent cash to deserve this type of woman. But hey, thats what I want.
I am telling some of my guy friends about this new attitude I have and they are the biggest pussies. One guy, a dentist making like 200k a year is dating some ratty 33 year old because of her cool personality. This guy is young and good looking, with a nice house in an affluent suburb. And he cant even pull hot tail, and Im just like man. Hes telling me about how a personality in a women is more important. Does any man truly believe this? Yeah a good personality is ok, but Ive seen the light. T&A is way more important.
This other guy is telling me the same shit. About how you gotta find someone you can get along and just live with. Its all bullshit about how marriages are supposed to be some kind of equal partnership. Fuck that!
How about, Im the man, I make the money, and I got a hot wife who gives me good sex. Fuck the partnership. Fuck equality. Cool personality and getting along is secondary to the bedroom. I need sex from a hot chick more than I need a friend.
ok thats my rant.
Why Marak,
You OBVIOUSLY just don't understand that our role as hardworking, honest, boring nice guys (like your friend the dentist)is to work hard to develop wealth and an income stream while pathetically stroking ourselves at home on Saturday night as the girls throw a big party for the dramatic fuckups and losers, players, pretty boys, rock stars, pro athletes.....you just have to wait until after the party is over for them to drag their exhausted, hungover, well fucked asses over to the phone to call you and offer you some of the leftovers in exchange for helping them clean up the mess.
Now there is a need for balance in all things, and it would be better to have a cool, well adjusted, funny charming "8" than a psychotic, high maintenance prozac princess of a "10". But still.....
..........the people who think that a "modern western marriage" is "equal" can go and fuck themselves. "The previous arangement" was at least EQUITABLE.....men made decisions and bore the brunt of harsh reality....women deferred, but were sheltered, provided for, and protected. Now, women believe that they should have all of the privleges that they had before, PLUS decision making power--basically making the husband into a work horse.
B9K
Sinanju Master
06-05-06, 05:35
Now, women believe that they should have all of the privleges that they had before, PLUS decision making power--basically making the husband into a work horse. B9K
they want the privileges and decision-making power WITHOUT the responsibilities that come WITH IT!
Jelly Donut
06-05-06, 23:17
This is what an AW expects when dating: http://msn.match.com/msn/article.aspx?articleid=6056&TrackingID=516311&BannerID=544657&menuid=6>1=8233Giveaway #1: He wants less sex.
What it reveals: Believe it or not, less action means has lost interest in having sex with you or, possibly, he is dead.
Giveaway #1: He wants less sex.
What it reveals: Believe it or not, less action means has lost interest in having sex with you or, possibly, he is dead.It's INSANE if he is less interested in sex and more interested in filling air in her tires. She must have driven him insane. From the article it's clear that's the kind of man an AW wants. Yet there are so many pussy wimps out there who would try to act accordingly in hopes of getting a bit of action.
http://nomarriage.com/ is a great site
http://nomarriage.com/perfectguy.html
Too bad these guys wake up when they have no choice but to pay 1 or 2 alimony and child support
Giveaway #1: He wants less sex.
What it reveals: Believe it or not, less action means has lost interest in having sex with you or, possibly, he is dead.
Or maybe a closet homo
Sinanju Master
06-06-06, 22:06
I saw that list of Rachel's and I predict she's either gonna end up ALONE and bitter, living with MANY CATS, or she's gonna have a "Will and Grace" relationship, 'cos the guy she's describing swings on the other side of the fence, with NO hope EVER of being her bedmate! This broad (and others like her) need to pull their faces AWAY from the crack pipe!
Re: What AW's expect when dating,
I checked out that page BRIEFLY. Got about 2 items down the list before I started getting bored. Then I realized why...... Cuz I don't give a half a fuck what they want! Those cunts always KNEW what I wanted, and seldom (but sometimes!) let me have it.
Any attractive female is fully aware of what a normal, healthy young man wants to do with her. The problem, from the man's point of view, is that they usually use this as a form of leverage to get what they want first. So of course, the natural end result was that I completely quit caring what they wanted. I now view pretty much every local single woman I see as both a disaster waiting to happen, and as someone to be kept at arm's length.
Why would I bother with them anyways? My wife (5'9" 128 lbs, long legs and perfect tits/ass....and 15 YEARS younger, foreign born) is hot, and anytime I HAVE to have some variety, the local MP is there.
Life is good.
Rock
Regarding that first item about the guy wanting less sex.... and somehow that's supposed to be good news.
Honey, that probably means he's already gotten so bored with you that a.) he's getting some on the side or b.) he'd rather jack off.
Rock
Hung Man 1808
06-07-06, 18:34
Well it is not just in America that women are getting picky, fussy and complaining.
An Australian news site published an article stating there is a 'man shortage' along with a blog for comments. And the comments from the guys (and also some women I might add) were eye opening! I think every comment made in this thread bad about American women surfaced in the comments sent in.
The one from the women who noticed other women checking out the labels her male friends were wearing before deciding whether to bother with them, and the guy who couldn't get the time of day from a friend's friend until she saw him a few days later in a hot car - upon which she was all over him trying to figure out his income, are worth the time browsing. Check it out here:
http://blogs.news.com.au/news/yoursay/index.php/news/comments/man_drought/
Sometimes the venom against women can go over the top here. Sometimes I think 'maybe it is me' when I don't get much response from women. Then I read something like the responses in this blog (centred mostly around one of CBGB's fave places, Sydney) and I realise, it is NOT just me, and it is NOT all over the top venom.
Then I go overseas and have a blast with the women I meet. Literally.
Rubber Nursey
06-08-06, 04:15
Hung Man - you need to come to regional WA, where the only 'labels' we recognise are Stubbies, Blundstone and Hard Yakka, and 'cultured' means he uses a knife and fork. :)
What I saw in that blog was the same thing I see in this forum and in real life. Neither sex really gives a damn about what the other wants. They only care what THEY want. It seems to me that when people go out and meet people of the opposite sex, they are so busy sizing each other up and questioning each others motives, that they wouldn't notice a good thing if he/she walked up and bit them on the arse. Ever considered that this suspicious and bitter attitude - in both men AND women - might be making the person you're talking to respond in kind?
I don't believe for a second that 'every woman' is obsessed with money and power and status, especially when you're talking about casual sex, not marriage. If I'm out looking for casual sex, I have ONE prerequisite - that he turns me on. (And I'm not necessarily talking about looks; I'm talking chemistry). Why would he need to prove he has a good job and own his own home just to shag me for the night?
If we're talking marriage potential, then yes, I can understand why SOME women want to know about money, particularly those women who are currently financially independent themselves. Simple fact is, when you get married and start talking children, SHE will be the one who will have to give up working to pop out the babies. Unless she has huge assests behind her that she can start selling off when the time comes, she will eventually be forced to become totally dependent on YOU for money. As much as I don't necessarily agree with it, it makes sense to me that a woman who has grown accustomed to living at a certain 'level', especially when she's worked hard to get herself to that level, would like to think that YOU could earn enough to keep BOTH of you living at that level after she stops work. (And this is where your 'women from other countries aren't so obsessed with money' theory tends to lose a little ground - you could work parttime at KFC and still earn more money than a Third World woman is accustomed to having, so of course she's not gonna expect quite as much as a Western woman would).
You guys get annoyed when women are interested in how much financial security you can provide them - but you also say that you want a 'traditional' woman who will cook, clean, raise the kids and cater to your every need (so, presumably, she won't have her own income). So, guys, I have a question. We keep hearing about what you hate about women and what you DON'T want...but what DO you want in a woman and/or relationship?
Chocha Monger
06-08-06, 05:46
It has been said many times and I’ll say it again. Marriage has become little more than a tool for women to separate men from their hard earned cash, house and other assets. A husband is little more than a provider and donor. He is like the mantis that gives up his body for the consumption of the female mantis after mating so that she has enough protein to lay her eggs. She eats him alive shortly after, or even during, the consummation of their union.
Today, the Republican Party in the US is trying to drum up support for a ban on gay marriage but no one is listening. Why is that? It is because most Americans know that marriage is no longer some mystical union between the spirit of a man and woman. They know that it is nothing more than a business contract where the man invariably gets the shitty end of the deal. Even the people who don’t approve of homosexuality can’t delude themselves enough about the true nature of marriage to support the ban. They know that all the talk about the sanctity of marriage in America is a crock of bullshit. Marriage is all about getting taken to the cleaners and being denied visitation with your kids; so who cares if the gays want to get a taste of divorce court?
Anyway, with hard economic times on the horizon, who wants to support some woman in the manner in which she would like to become accustomed to while she pops out a bunch of kids; allows her ass to widen progressively; withholds sex to get her way; nags incessantly; and drives one into bankruptcy in her quest to keep up with the Joneses?
I have heard all the arguments as to why a woman should have as much as two thirds of my net worth upon divorce. I hear the old housework isn’t easy theme beaten to death over and over again. No one mentions that over the years housework has gotten progressively easier with washing machines, dishwashers, vacuum cleaners and no-scrub bathroom cleaners. My Mexican housekeeper gets it all done, including the cooking, and she never complains though she costs me much less than an American wife would. I’m beginning to think that illegal immigration is a blessing in disguise for young professional men who realize that remaining single is the best option for achieving financial success and a comfortable retirement.
So, do I care what American women want? No. They want it all and I’m not going to give it to them. I can easily get what I want without them. If I am selfish they made me that way. They got too greedy and I decided too use cheap labor and to contract offshore services to take care of my needs. If they want to be supported in a manner in which they would like to become accustomed to, they can do it the way I did, through hard work.
.....again fall for the wedge issue of gay marriage and keep a bunch of self serving scumbags in power, I am going on a killing spree. I'm hoping for the current administration to leave office in handcuffs after power changes in the house and senate this November.
I was also MADE into what I am, looking out only for my interests in the dating arena, by YEARS of being USED, by American bitches ("Thank you for X you're a great FRIEND"). I used to be a sweet little puppydog, willing to give gladly without receiprocation.
What do I WANT in a woman-in no particular order:
1. MAINTAINED physical attractiveness-"she let herself go after the wedding" is actually a cliche' now.
2 Perform the function of "handling" me-regulate my mood, regulate my diet, remember birthdays....basically take care of the little things so I can handle the big stuff like making a living (American girls toss their baby to the husband as he walks in the door from work, so she can run off to go shopping or have coffee with her girlfriends). Keep my wardrobe under control, and the house a reasonably pleasant environment.
3 Produce a child or two for me....act as primary caregiver to that child, don't dump that responsibility off on some mook who runs a day care so you can go do some little nothing of a job and claim to be a financial contributor with a full share of decision making power.
4 Maintain a REASONABLE level of materialist desire. I like nice things too, but know that they won't make you happy, and expect you also to know the same thing (within reason). I don't give a fuck if Mrs. Jones down the street got a new SUV.....when I get 3 million in the bank, we can retire to a tropical island where you definitely won't need one..
5. Give me sex when I want it. Don't use sex as a weapon to get what you want.
6. Be faithful.
7. Recognize that I am steering the ship, and abide by my decisions. Yes, your input is important, and I should give your opinion strong consideration, but the final decision is MINE. If you really want to be in charge, FINE, but then I get a life of light housework, daytime TV (I cringe at the thought), and playing with the kids......you can handle a 90 minute commute on top of ten hours a day of,my idiot boss, sociopathic co-workers, and corporate stupidity.
8. Don't USE me, CHOOSE me....Don't make me, the responsible hard working "nice guy" your backup plan for a nice life after you have failed to snag a rock star, pro athlete, rich guy, male model, or failed to "change" that dramatic loser. Again the metaphor....how would you feel if someone threw a big party, didn't invite you, and then offered you some leftover food and drinks if you would help them clean up afterwards
B9k
Happy Chappy
06-08-06, 10:19
Well it is not just in America that women are getting picky, fussy and complaining.
An Australian news site published an article stating there is a 'man shortage' along with a blog for comments. And the comments from the guys (and also some women I might add) were eye opening! I think every comment made in this thread bad about American women surfaced in the comments sent in.
The one from the women who noticed other women checking out the labels her male friends were wearing before deciding whether to bother with them, and the guy who couldn't get the time of day from a friend's friend until she saw him a few days later in a hot car - upon which she was all over him trying to figure out his income, are worth the time browsing. Check it out here:
http://blogs.news.com.au/news/yoursay/index.php/news/comments/man_drought/
Sometimes the venom against women can go over the top here. Sometimes I think 'maybe it is me' when I don't get much response from women. Then I read something like the responses in this blog (centred mostly around one of CBGB's fave places, Sydney) and I realise, it is NOT just me, and it is NOT all over the top venom.
Then I go overseas and have a blast with the women I meet. Literally.I live in Australia and when I read this American women thread I believe nearly everything mentioned here also applies to Australian women. When I occasionally come across CBGB's posts that paint Australian women in a positive light I am puzzled, it must mean American women must be so bad I can not even imagine! I put it down to him being a foreigner perhaps as an advantage for him with the Aussie women?
I have given the dating sites a real go over here. Believe me I am in a strong finanical position, but the problem is I don't flaunt it. I do far better with my money investing it rather than owning my home so choose not to. I rent in the inner city and choose not to own a car given I would hardly ever drive it or look after it properly, together with the fact the $50000 I avoid to spend on a car I can probably double it in a few years, instead of halving it in depreciation. I rent good cars when I need as literally metres away is a car hire place, and have even taken women away on weekends to nice places in very nice cars. But all the women see is a guy who can't afford his own car or own home. Their loss I say. Some other bloke can marry these obese women and have them whinge to them about the screaming kids whilst they bust their gut working 60 hour weeks until she runs off with half his assets. When I am 40, I will spend half the year in some Asian country with a geourgous 20 yo watching my portfolio sipping a cold beer, reflecting on what a loser I am because no Aussie woman wanted me. How terrible it will be for me.
Hung Man - you need to come to regional WA, where the only 'labels' we recognise are Stubbies, Blundstone and Hard Yakka, and 'cultured' means he uses a knife and fork. :)
What I saw in that blog was the same thing I see in this forum and in real life. Neither sex really gives a damn about what the other wants. They only care what THEY want. It seems to me that when people go out and meet people of the opposite sex, they are so busy sizing each other up and questioning each others motives, that they wouldn't notice a good thing if he/she walked up and bit them on the arse. Ever considered that this suspicious and bitter attitude - in both men AND women - might be making the person you're talking to respond in kind?
I don't believe for a second that 'every woman' is obsessed with money and power and status, especially when you're talking about casual sex, not marriage. If I'm out looking for casual sex, I have ONE prerequisite - that he turns me on. (And I'm not necessarily talking about looks; I'm talking chemistry). Why would he need to prove he has a good job and own his own home just to shag me for the night?
If we're talking marriage potential, then yes, I can understand why SOME women want to know about money, particularly those women who are currently financially independent themselves. Simple fact is, when you get married and start talking children, SHE will be the one who will have to give up working to pop out the babies. Unless she has huge assests behind her that she can start selling off when the time comes, she will eventually be forced to become totally dependent on YOU for money. As much as I don't necessarily agree with it, it makes sense to me that a woman who has grown accustomed to living at a certain 'level', especially when she's worked hard to get herself to that level, would like to think that YOU could earn enough to keep BOTH of you living at that level after she stops work. (And this is where your 'women from other countries aren't so obsessed with money' theory tends to lose a little ground - you could work parttime at KFC and still earn more money than a Third World woman is accustomed to having, so of course she's not gonna expect quite as much as a Western woman would).
You guys get annoyed when women are interested in how much financial security you can provide them - but you also say that you want a 'traditional' woman who will cook, clean, raise the kids and cater to your every need (so, presumably, she won't have her own income). So, guys, I have a question. We keep hearing about what you hate about women and what you DON'T want...but what DO you want in a woman and/or relationship?
The thing is that despite mondo lip service to the contary, most women WANT to be in the position of being sheltered from reality, bearing children, etc. Even a large portion of Ivy League educated women CHOOSE to live this kind of life, despite having world class oppotunities available to them. .Now these days, due to feminism bullshit, women believe that they should be able to live this kind of life without paying the price for it which is keeping up the house, taking care of husband and kids, and being subordinate to the husband
It seems ironic that we as men ae PUNISHED for giving women what they WANT when the relationship ends. It's late, and my logic may be flawed, but it seems that this is analogous to someone giving me a job traveling the world, (something I want to do), and when I wish to not do the job anymore, sue the person who gave it to me because they denied me the oppotunity to work in a coal mine, something I don't want to do.
B9K
Frankypanky
06-11-06, 20:06
...You guys get annoyed when women are interested in how much financial security you can provide them - but you also say that you want a 'traditional' woman who will cook, clean, raise the kids and cater to your every need (so, presumably, she won't have her own income). So, guys, I have a question. We keep hearing about what you hate about women and what you DON'T want...but what DO you want in a woman and/or relationship?
Quite simple for me;
1. Be nice, stay nice!
2. Respect me as who I am.
3. And (indeed) choose me, not my money!
Frankypanky-Holland
Chocha Monger
06-12-06, 06:04
More good stuff for you guys out there who like to date American or Americanized women that you meet using an online dating site.
http://msn.match.com/msn/article.aspx?articleid=5986&TrackingID=516311&BannerID=544657&menuid=6>1=8233
Can it get any worse? I say the bear market is just getting started. Time to dust off the passport boys.
Happy Chappy
06-12-06, 09:39
More good stuff for you guys out there who like to date American or Americanized women that you meet using an online dating site.
http://msn.match.com/msn/article.aspx?articleid=5986&TrackingID=516311&BannerID=544657&menuid=6>1=8233
Can it get any worse? I say the bear market is just getting started. Time to dust off the passport boys.Fortunately I was wise enough to give up internet dating years ago. If ever there was an advertisement to give up then this is it.
Let me try and summarize.
1) The girl your after must get married and soon. ( I wonder why..)
2) You have to do ALL the courting and put in all the effort.
3) No chance of sex anytime soon.
4) As all this occurs she is freeloading , oops "dating" at least another 2 guys.
5) She will freeload off you , oops date you, more than once even though its unlikely she actually likes you.
6) If she does like you she still forces you to committ to marriage before you get any sex.
7) If you promise to marry her to get sex because of step 6, and don't propose, she will again shut up shop and withold sex until you make marriage plans.
Choca if the bear market in dating american women from the internet is starting, the bull market in mongering offshore will be huge.
I prey that gullable guys continue to hook up with the sort of women such as in that article, then it means mongering is a "no-brainer" and the prices remain low.
My biggest fear is men wake up and all start to read ISG. But then again if that happened American women would probably lose their bargaining power and become easy prey.
...to AW in this:
"Many women toss out great prospects because they aren’t swept off their feet instantly. Remember that men who sweep you off your feet right away might be a little too practiced in the art. You’ve got to wonder who else he’s swept away that week. Look for substance. I went out with several men multiple times whom I didn’t feel terribly attracted to initially but liked for one reason or another. It was good discipline. I fell in love with my husband by getting to know him gradually (although, after our first date, I did catch myself telling friends that I might marry him). "
This paraphrases something I have said on this board repeatedly to AW-STOP THROWING YOURSELF AT the 20% of guys who are (again a variant of the litany) smooth, slick, dramatic, pretty, (born, or at least early achiever of) weathy, high profile (pro athletes and rock stars) etc, ad nauseum....what you look like to them is tommorow nights fuck , NOT the future Mrs. Pretty boy, Rich Guy etc.
Further commentary:
"Just over four years ago, I signed onto Match.com with the intention of finding my husband. Six months and more than 100 dates later, I did. (As you might have surmised if you just did the math, I was between jobs at the time and had a lot of free time on my hands.) Given the sheer number of dates I experienced, out of necessity......."
Translation-it got too difficult for me to make a living as an "independent woman" so I decided to find a guy to foot the bills for me. However, I wil still retain all rights and privleges of a financially independent entity. Typical.
"Step 3: Don’t get physical until you’re sure he’s The One
Whoa! This is a counter-cultural message! You’d never hear the characters on Sex and The City acting this way (if they did, of course, there wouldn’t be a show). But I figured that the fastest way to find your mate online is by dating a lot of people. The only way to date many people simultaneously and not lose your mind is by not getting physical with anyone. That’s because having sex, I learned, floods your system with a neurotransmitter called oxytocin, which bonds you to that person whether you like it or not. But by not bonding prematurely, your head stays clear. Incredibly, I didn’t even kiss anyone (yes, I was tempted). If asked, I would tell a date that I was holding off on anything physical until I knew I was in a committed relationship—one leading to marriage. I don’t know if saying this scared anyone off. If it did, then that was a good thing! "
Hmmmm...this is interesting in a couple of respects. I like to see a slam on the "Sex in the City" school of thought, which is "go right ahead and jump anything that your pussy aches for", regardless of the prospective consequences.......also, an assertion that (disguised in medical jargon) IT ISN'T GOOD TO MAKE DECISIONS EXCLUSIVELY ON THE BASIS OF FEELINGS.
"Step 4: Date at least three people at a time
“Dating one person is over-focus. Two is either-or. And three is balance,” says psychologist Pat Allen, author of Getting To I Do. That way, if a seeming prospect suddenly disappears, which happened to me several times, you won’t feel as crushed knowing you’ve got several new dates lined up. Because you aren’t getting physically involved with anyone, your dates will be much more accepting of your seeing other people should the subject arise. If it does, you can honestly say, “I plan to continue dating several people until I find the right one and am ready to commit.” Stick to it. When dating online, especially, finding a mate is a numbers game. By dating several men at once, I met more men more quickly and, being able to compare them to each other, I felt more sure I’d met the right guy when I did. "
I actually don't have a problem with this as long as the girl drops the other two, after choosing one. This is preferabe to the prototypical arangement where a girl has one "chosen", with at least three replacements (maintained with flirting, and possiby other activities up to and including sex) cooling their heels on her back burner in the event that number 1 doesn't work out for her.
OK, that's all that I have....I couild probably be justifyably accused of holding a belief system, and then looking for evidence to suppot it, but....
B9k
The other day at work, a 21 American girl with a SEVERE case of "princess syndrome" (DD-E-cup tits and an OK face get her mostly whatever she wants, and she KNOWS IT) was running around more or less extolling the virtues of "HOT BOYS, HOT BOYS".
Depressedly, I thought back to last December in Prague when I had a 19 year old Ukrainian goddess rubbing my beer belly saying "Is what MAN should look like" (and repeatedly "vhy I like you soooo much).
Damn I wish I could afford to travel during the high season.
B9k
Choca if the bear market in dating american women from the internet is starting, the bull market in mongering offshore will be huge.
Not only mongering for sex, but also looking for wife material. US men should really and seriously look for wives from abroad.
got in a bit of a debate this afternoon at work, with my assistant. she was saying, somewhat sarcastically, how i "must really like it" because my wife is at home keeping the house clean, doing laundry and cooking the meals. we had gotten on the domestic subect after i stated that there was no way i'd be changing any [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131) once we had kids.
so anyways, i said sure i like it, that's the way things are supposed to be. to which she replied, not if the girl is smart and independant. what's that supposed to mean anyways.... i asked her. she said something about girls going out and making their own money and how that was a good thing in case the marriage didn't work out.
bingo! right there she basically admitted what i've known all along..... western women pretty much plan ahead for a marriage to fail, and "smart and independant" is just code language for .....single and alone. i then told her that was the exact reason why i would never, ever marry a canadian woman. they, and most other western women, are just walking divorces, waiting to happen.
this is from my assistant, a 26 yr old female employee who i get along with quite well. we weren't arguing or anything like that, but i've long detected a low level vibe from her that i'd somehow broken some kind of unwritten rule by leaving the country to find a wife. for some reason, today's "smart and independant" women just hate it when we go out and find ourselves a good-looking, traditional housewife.
rock
Sinanju Master
06-14-06, 03:15
I occasionally hear about AW's being pissed off that they can't have it all (super job, super home, super kids, doting hubby, fantastic sex life, great finances, etc). It amazes me that allegedly intelligent women DON'T realize they can't have it all. It's akin to Thor lifting Jormungand, the Midgard serpent. As mighty as he was, he could only lift a portion of him due to the fact that Jormungand encircled the whole world. AW's can't lift it (maintain the super life) without SOME portion being sacrificed and let down.
As for your point, RD, if they have the independence and money they see as a means of a failsafe in case of a bad marriage, it tells me that they weren't concentrating on that area of their lives as much as the aforementioned subjects. They didn't fail to plan, they planned to FAIL.
There's still one small benefit to being a guy. This was touched on briefly by another poster a couple of weeks ago.
We can choose NOT to get married. No marriage, NO co-habitation or common-law or anything like that. Therefore no divorce, divorce lawyers, spousal or child support. Any man with a half-decent job will find himself accumulating capital at a surprising rate. Invest wisely and with a little discipline you can find yourself in retirement territory as early as your 40's.
This is where being a guy starts to pay off.
A woman in her 40's is usually shiotot. (Demi and Halley aside). There are only a small percentage of women over 40 that can still expect to attract hot, younger men.l But when you're a guy, all you need is few to be in the right place with a little cash and you can have all the hot young pussy you can handle.
If I was in my 20's and just starting out, I think this would have been a good way to go. Hit 45, go somewhere nice and sunny, and become an ex-pat. No, make that a sex-pat!
Coining a new term.
Rock
This has been on CNN a lot for the last few days. Seems that this guy, Darren Mack shot through a window at a Judge and nearly killed him. He'd also killed his wife sometime earlier by stabbing her.
OK, this guy is another crazy running loose..... but that wasn't the whole story either. Apparently, she was in the process of divorcing him and this was the judge that was overseeing the case. UH-oh! Now I don't advocate going around shooting people....... but, suddenly I starting seeing this guy in a different light.
There are so many angry men out there who are TIRED of working to build up their fortunes, only to have some woman (aided and abetted by the legal system) take it away from them. What pisses me off even more is that they have a whole bunch of female experts on the Nancy Grace show (CNN) where these so-called experts analyze him. They inevitably come to the conclusion that all his problems are internal before dismissing him as some kind of psycho.
Maybe he is, but I find it funny that nobody has mentioned anything much about how maybe it was Mack deciding that he wasn't going to let them fuck him over in court. Again, I don't think it was right for him to kill his wife or shoot the judge, but I do understand WHY he did it...... and there are a lot more pissed-off ex-husbands out there who have dreamed of doing the exact same thing.
Of course, nobody's going to talk about THAT........ not in todays feminist-censored world.
Rock
Sinanju Master
06-17-06, 19:14
I'd heard a little about that case, but I didn't stay with the channel long enough to get the whole story. If I were EVER stupid enough to get married to an AW, you can bet your ass that I'd have a (HUGE) SECRET bank account(s) and an updated passport and living arrangements overseas as a safety measure in case she decided to suck the financial life outta me simply because she CAN. Maybe I'd move to one of those lonely outposts in Oz with a grain silo as the tallest edifice that RN told me about! LOL
Chocha Monger
06-17-06, 19:34
Rock,
Apparently, the judge ordered the guy to pay ~ $12,000 per month in child support. The judge was also suspected to be corrupt; allegedly he allowed campaign contributions from lawyers to influence his family court decisions. Mack believed that his wife was trying to drive him into bankruptcy with the aid of the legal system.
It is not the first time that a tragedy like this has played out in this country; this particular case is receiving a lot of attention because a judge was shot usually people of a lower status end up as the casualties.
Anyway, note the difference in the way the media is treating Mrs Winkler, the murderess who gave her husband a fatal shotgun blast to the back and then fled across several state lines. The feminists are speculating that he was an abuser or molester in order to justify his murder inspite of the fact that no evidence points to anything of that nature.
When a woman murders a man in America she is immediately presumed innocent or, at most, guilty of justifiable homocide. Men, on the other hand, are always considered to be guilty of being violent murdering bastards.
Chocha,
That's standard operating procedure for women. Case number one, if a guy does something..... he's the bad guy and she is the VICTIM. Case number two, if a woman does something..... it's STILL the man's fault because he's the bad guy and somehow drove her to do it.
I am sick of this theme. You see it over and over in the media. Oprah and Nancy Grace are 2 the worst offenders but the list is virtually endless.
What to do? For me, I'm going to endure the madness until I have enough saved up to move to someplace where life still makes sense.
Brazil is looking pretty good right now.
Rock
Sinanju Master
06-17-06, 20:56
What to do? For me, I'm going to endure the madness until I have enough saved up to move to someplace where life still makes sense.
Brazil is looking pretty good right now.
Rock
Hmm... I dunno about taking up PERMANENT residence in Brazil, my brother. I occasionally read stories about how the wealthy have to live in fortified enclaves and hire ARMED guards just to live any semblance of a normal life. Also, the crime is rampant near the favellas and the police have their hands FULL most of the time. Unless you're skilled with weapons and possibly a well-trained Brazilian Jiu jitsu practitioner, I would think TWICE about Brazil. If my assessment is WRONG, no one would be happier than me, since I often read that Brazil has some of the FINEST honeys to walk the face of the earth.
Been meaning to mention this one for a while. I happened to catch a bit of reporting where "someone" (most likely the wife in order to get ammo in the divorce proceedings) in one of the prominant celebrity divorces (I think it was Alec Baldwin and Kim Basinger) had released a voice mail of one of the husband "venting"......it was as a I recall "Fucking *****, I can't believe you, etc...." mostly bleeped out. The news report then carried in with a female reporter "....and how is it that Kim has endured being married to a man such as this...". Not the slightest indication that just possibly, Kim could have DRIVEN him to this behavior, or that there could be two sides to the story. Nice fucking job with the fair and balanced there *****.
B9k
Chocha Monger
06-17-06, 22:56
From the beginning.
Sinanju Master
06-18-06, 22:49
i may have been dreaming, but i swore i saw two aw's running toward each other in a forest at top speed, only to collide with each other's bellies with a skinny guy's head in between. one was colored green and the other yellow...
Chocha Monger
06-19-06, 07:57
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/africa/05/24/women.Gambia.reut/
The best way to handle American women is:
1) Do not interact with them, life is too short, let some one else deal with their neurotic problems and hyper consumptive patterns.
2) If you must interact. Do not play their game. Be humble and soft spoken and polite.
If any one else has any other strategies for interaction with American women I would be open.
Organicgrowth
06-19-06, 14:12
I'm going to become a "bumsters" when I retire. LOL
Regards, Havanaman
Chocha Monger
06-20-06, 02:48
the big bamboo
american and other western women disapprove of prostitution in their home countries while traveling abroad in search of the “big bamboo” in caribbean islands such as jamaica and barbados. female sex tourism hotspots include bali, the caribbean, gambia, morocco and tunisia. these women are the same ones filing sexual harassment complaints against men back at their corporate jobs; they’re the same ones that think that men back in their home countries should be locked up for using the services of female prostitutes. do these feminists really believe in equality between the sexes or are they on a sinister campaign to bring western men down and keep them face down in the dirt with a stiletto heel planted firmly in the back?
not surprisingly, none of these women consider themselves to be patrons of prostitution. according to female logic, they are just helping the local “bumsters” escape momentarily from the grind of poverty found in their squalid tropical shacks. everyone knows that only dirty old men traveling to bangkok or the philippines can be considered sex tourists. perhaps, the fifty-something heavy grandmother with the young muscled beach bum just enjoys conversing about all the things that they have in common. the jumbo tube of ky jelly© that she bought from the local pharmacy isn’t really for greasing the “big bamboo”; it’s actually meant to repel those pesky mosquitoes that tend to harass tourists on the tropical coasts.
on the other hand, their fellow western countrymen should only be so lucky to be considered as altruistic donors of economic aid to impoverished women abroad. after lobbying by feminist human rights groups, big apple oriental tours of new york was prosecuted for “promotion of prostitution” by the new york state attorney general. though the case was thrown out twice, most likely, it is just the first skirmish in an emerging war on sex tour operators and eventually individual male sex tourists.
not all of these women are older or unattractive and can easily find sexual companions among their male peers in their homeland. this observation is cause for suspicion regarding the motives of these women. can their trysts with these local men be a form of exerting a degree of control over men yet unattained in their countries of origin? the fact that oral sex is highly sought after by these women in places where it is considered taboo by local men, such as in jamaica, points to possibility that these women get their thrills from coercing the “bumsters” into cunnilingus via the use of an economic stick and carrot.
indeed, the prospect of giving oral service to a corpulent or 50 yrs old woman would be enough to make most western youths hurl their stomach contents. it would be unimaginable to think that these women are not fully conscious of that fact. having to eat a postmenopausal grey bearded shriveled pussy is a terribly hard way for a young man to make a living. however, you wouldn’t see any cbs 60 minutes or cnn special segment on this story; you will see several stories about men who travel for sex though.
the behavior of these women can often take forms that would draw their wrath had it been men engaging in a similar fashion. in one case after utilizing the sexual services of the dive instructors at one resort, the women proceeded to rate the men’s size and performance with one fellow receiving rep001hing reviews on his less than impressive endowment.
the women also indicated that back home they usually sit back and await the men to approach them but when they were abroad they were not averse to aggressively pursuing the hotel staff member or beach bum that tickled their fancy. this indeed may be shocking for many western men who are routinely shot down when they approach these women in singles bars or clubs. these guys might want to think about things before they offer to buy these women a drink while out on the town. after all, the bumsters don’t buy them drinks and they get paid in cash and gifts for their services, so why shouldn't you?
references
1. http://www.caribvoice.org/travel&tourism/sextourism.html
2. http://www.gadling.com/category/gambia/
3. http://www.mangosauce.com/travel/female_sex_tourist_bali.php
4. http://www.cdnn.info/news/article/a030830.html
5. http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/07/11/1057783358449.html
Sinanju Master
06-20-06, 03:57
Helping out the local economy my ASS! These dried up skanks are as depraved as they accuse US to be. I'd LOVE to watch 60 Minutes with Ed Bradley grilling some roly-poly wrinkled assed broad trying to explain away why she's keeping such YOUNGER male company abroad when there are plenty of young men in her own country. I'm sure he'd give her a look that would say: "Beeyatch PLEASE! Save the bullshit for planting season". Reading about the prospect of dining on a dusty, graying, shriveled, long-out-of-use goonyah makes ME wanna hurl too!
Interesting article with some surprising information.
http://www.alternet.org/sex/37642/
"Advertisement Two: A young man repeatedly chooses a big juicy taco over the invitation to score with willing and available girls."
What is this world coming to??? Maybe it's AW these young men are turning down (and rightly so). Now, all they need to learn is the insights of the mongering trade abroad and they'll be well on their way to becoming the next generation of successful "sexpats" he..he.he......
Chocha, I read your report but it didn't surprise me one bit. I saw plenty of that stuff going on when I was in Cuba and especially in Jamaica.
In one of those articles they said ....."A lot of the women who come here, they're good girls the rest of the time, then they come down here and the moment their feet hit the sand, bam! They go buck-ass wild. Then they go back to their business-suit lives in the city, and no one's any the wiser. There's a certain protection in it for them. We have a saying: 'Whatever happens on the island stays on the island'."
Well this is the way AW's and Cdn women operate. Deep inside, they WANT to fuck around like little wh*res. Of course they can't, because they've got their precious reputations to think about. It's interesting to see how they behave when they think they get away with it because nobody's watching.
This is the exact same thing that men like to do..... and this is the exact same thing that they give us crap for doing. And that, my friends, is the very definition of hypocrisy.
Rock
Chocha Monger
06-21-06, 04:57
Interesting article with some surprising information.
http://www.alternet.org/sex/37642/
"Advertisement Two: A young man repeatedly chooses a big juicy taco over the invitation to score with willing and available girls."
What is this world coming to??? Maybe it's AW these young men are turning down (and rightly so). Now, all they need to learn is the insights of the mongering trade abroad and they'll be well on their way to becoming the next generation of successful "sexpats" he..he.he......
Perhaps the young guys have finally figured out that when American women act horny it is usually a trick to get their cash or something else, but they rarely ever deliver on the sex that they seem to promise. What a cold beer, juicy cheese burger and a stuffed taco all promise is genuine honest to goodness satisfaction without the tease. Not to mention that good food and drink wouldn't take off with half to two thirds of everything that you ever worked for, leaving you to face a dismal future in an age of scrapped pension plans and uncertain employment.
Rock Dog, mentioned how easy it was for a single man to earn wealth over a lifetime by avoiding marriage in a previous post; now, imagine how difficult it would be for that same young man paying child support and alimony. The chance of a divorced male managing to save enough for retirement is not very good. I am sure that as the new economic realities become more apparent even more young men will realize that sex in America is something not worth fucking with.
AW have long been able to have their cake and to eat men's cake; that may be coming to an end soon as times are proving that their is less cake to go around. Men may opt to forego sex at home in the interest of retaining their creature comforts. Sex is highly over rated, especially when you're expected to give up your privacy, personal freedom and income to get it.
I watched "Shopgirl"....it dragged a bit, and was trying just a hair too hard to be "Lost in Translation", but still worth seeing.
The portrayal of Mirabella's friend from the store was a very accurate portrayal of how girl's try to both sabotage each other, and encourage each other to act in a manipulative fashion "Act like you can't get enough of giving him fellatio"......"this is how you can test him"
I do really like to see the trend in film of displaying an older man with a young woman. This contradicts against our overriding cultural message of the cute little couple "Jimmy and Stacey together forever".........even when it becomes appearent that Jimmy is a gigntic loser.
B9k
Actually, this idea occurred to me a week ago but anyways...
As we all know (all too well), women have absolutely NO problem holding back on sex as a strategy to get what they want. For the longest time, we men have had no strategy of own own that we could use to counterattack.
Well. I think I may have an answer. First you must ask the question..... what is it that women want? What do they want the same way we want sex? Answer: they want to get married, prefferably to a guy with a good job so they can live on easy street.
Therefore, we as men should with-hold MARRIAGE from them. You don't really need to be married anymore anyways. What good is it? Kids? Nope.... nothing but noise, stress and loss of personal freedom. Sex? Hah, we all know where we can go anytime we need some. Security? Please! With the legal system the way it is, you're more secure staying single.
Work for your OWN dreams, save up and sex-patriate to your favorite destination where you can get married to a REAL woman.
Everything works on supply and demand, so I figure if a significant enough percentage of men start choosing this option, the women might start changing their ways...... maybe.
Rock
Sinanju Master
06-22-06, 02:41
I chat a lot with B9K about the same thing, but instead of marriage, I'll take the route of "seasonally leasing" a honey. That way, when the mileage gets too high (gradual/eventual creeping in of her high-maintenance attitude, MY need for variety, etc) I'll trade in for a better model. My locale of choice is the northern Med anywhere from Spain to France residing in a rented villa. I won't fall prey to a matrimonial bait and switch simply because I have some cash and she has a gash.
Chocha Monger
06-22-06, 19:17
An interesting study on marriage:
http://marriage.rutgers.edu/Publications/SOOU/TEXTSOOU2002.htm
i was just in el salvador and discussed the whole issue with this local guy.its basically pretty simple women are just spoiled in america and they take advantage of the situation just like guys do in third world countries.
i would just peel and fall over if laws started affecting my mongering trips.its the only thing giving me hope.
artisttyp
ps. great service in el salvador.i did my first 2 on 1 experience and it was so worth it...just like in the movies.
Rock and Sin touched on something important. My vision of my ideal future involves early comfortable retirement to either someplace cool and urbane (cool condo in Prague, Buenos Aires, Rio, Odessa......whatever) or fairly isolated (maybe a South American or Easten European winery, or a private island-not as expensive as you think)...I know, I tend to deal in extremes.
I know damn well that if I had a moment of insanity and slipped a ring on an American girl's finger that my vision gets immediately co-opted into a "shared" (in other words HERS) one, consisting of embracing mediocrity by spending the next 30 years paying (with my likely 2 hour round trip commuting) for an overpriced house in some boring assed suburb, her SUV ("we just must have one to keep the children SAFE"), and whatever other shit Madison avenue convinces her she "must have"...the highlight of my life would then consist of weekends, spent engaging in "honey-do" projects, and hanging out with other dorky boring assed suburban couples, and an annual "vacation" very likely spending 18-36 hours fighting traffic with two whiny kids in the backseat for the plastic thrill of DisneyWorld or whatever....and that is if you are part of the "lucky" 40% who stay married, and you don't end up just PAYING for the afore mentioned scenario with the added bonus of "enjoying" it.
I think that Dante missed a level in "Paradise Lost"..or was that "The Inferno"
B9k
Chocha Monger
06-22-06, 23:32
Okay guys,
I found a real gem for you, a site used to petition for the International Marriage Broker Act. After reading a few thousand comments on the forum discussing IMBRA it was clear to see that AW are like mindless sheep. Someone yells, "Wolf!" and the flock screams, "Baaaaaaa!" as they rally around the flag. That pretty much summarizes their reaction to any cause presented as pro-female (anti-male).
Yes, all foreign women who marry an American man are poor misguided slaves who must be protected by law according to the AW supporting the petition. A few even went so far as to suggest that AW need similar protections and American men should be subjected to similar background checks, and so forth, before being allowed a date at home.
Interestingly, inspite of all the protests from these AW about women being treated as slaves and property none of them addressed the underlying cause of all the alleged abuse. That is correct gentlemen, not one of these women denounced marriage as an institution that enslaves women. How can one make a cogent argument for the protection of women from animalistic exploitive men without addressing an ancient ritual where a woman is limited to bearing the children of one man?
If these women support and engage in marriage then their entire argument falls apart and then the real issue becomes glaringly obvious, foreign women. Perhaps, if they started discussing marriage it would become clear that the real slaves who need some protection are men. Maybe, these women are not as stupid as they seem upon closer examination. They certainly seem to know how to limit their argument to popular feminist slogans rather than making any real case for their opinions.
Anyway, I say abolish marriage in America; it would put an end to all these women being abused and treated like slaves, not to mention it would put an end to the gays fighting for the privelege. Sure we can't put an end to marriage ceremonies, and such, but the government and legal system can surely cease to recognize it as a legally binding contract. If couples can't decide how to support and raise their children then the court can charge both parties an equal fee to arrive at a determination while obligating both to pay child support to the state which will decide how to disburse said funds. The state would reserve the right to conduct audits on the person receiving the support monies to ensure that the children are indeed benefitting from the funds, much like the IRS conducts tax audits.
There it is, no more slavery for thousands of American and immigrant women who are forced into marriage each year; no more marrying for benefits or economic advantage. After all, why stop with putting the international marriage broker agencies out of business when we can do the same to bridal shops and divorce lawyers?
Please click on the link to site below, read the posts and share your thoughts here with us.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/763669991?ltl=1151012396
Please click on the link to site below, read the posts and share your thoughts here with us.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/763669991?ltl=1151012396
Thank you very much for posting this link, Chocha, just one more reason why I need to permanently ex-patriate from this fucked up country I live in. Like I needed anymore reasons...
Anyways, I am lucky enough that I am self-employed, and so I spend 3-4 months a year out of the country, in Latin America, and I hope to permanently ex-pat before I am 35 (lofty goal I know, but it's possible). But for you guys that live in this country year-round, umm....how the hell do you do it??? If I had to live in this sex prison year round, I would want to blow my brains out!
But seriously, what keeps you guys from just giving up on life here in this sex prison, buying a one way ticket to Rio, and spending the rest of your life selling beers on the beach to tourists, and banging a different girl every week? I can't be the only person here who's fantasized about a life like this, can I?
Anyways, thanks for letting me vent. I've been back in this country for barely 2 months, and I'm already checking out airline tickets for next year!
Oh yeah, I have a message for Jane McGuire of Maine, the woman that suggested "all American men looking for a date, should have their background info and a search through sex offender registry results in hand before asking any woman out."
FUCK YOU, C*UNT!!!
Rubber Nursey
06-23-06, 04:27
Chocha Monger: For once, I'm almost in agreement with you! :)
These people are among the same people who are responsible for the type of legislation/policy discussed recently in the Morality section. However, these women are NOT feminists. They are what I would classify as 'feminazis' - in fact, I would go as far as calling them ANTI-feminists, as their ideology is at best patronizing to women and at worst, bordering on misogyny.
Of COURSE they haven't addressed underlying causes, just as they would never offer up two sides of the story and encourage INFORMED debate. Because, like all zealots and fanatics, there IS no reasoning with them. There IS no discussion to be had. They are right, we are wrong, end of story. And of course there are always sheep willing to jump on the bandwagon and lend their support, because most people are TOO DAMN LAZY AND SELF-ABSORBED to bother searching for background info on a petition's creators or, God forbid, actually read an entire piece of proposed legislation. Instead, they glance at the sensationalist summary at the top of the petition and like the good little sheep they are, give themselves the warm and fuzzies by signing it and doing their bit to 'protect' those 'poor women'. Hey, abolishing sex slavery and preventing violence against women seems like a pretty darn noble cause, doesn't it?
Unless you've been on the receiving end of their brand of 'protection' and can see it for what it really is. These groups don't want to protect vulnerable women from MEN - they want to protect those women from THEMSELVES.
There are two main types of feminazi: the rabid, man-hating lesbians and the white, middle class do-gooders. They often work together because they are fighting for the same ultimate result, but they have very different motivations. The hardcore lesbian feminazis (Sheila Jeffreys - an Australian 'feminist' and anti-prostitution campaigner who claims that "Male supremacy is centred around the act of sexual intercourse" - is a prime example) believe that there is something fundamentally wrong with ANY woman who would seek out a sexual relationship of ANY kind, with a man. In their eyes, prostitution, pornography and even marriage and heterosexual sex itself, are acts of male dominance and exploitation of women. These women certainly have their supporters, but (thankfully) the idea that all heterosexual sex is violence against women is a little difficult for most people to swallow, so (aside from those aforementioned morons who just read the petition summary and sign it) they don't attract quite as many followers as the other group does.
The other group is much more dangerous, because it's easy to believe that they are really trying to do the right thing - and, in fairness to them, most of them honestly believe that they ARE. These (usually) white, middle-class soccer mums proclaim to be upholding the feminist values of equality and freedom of choice, but they are actually doing the complete opposite. They are not protecting women from exploitative situations - they are protecting women from making (what the feminazis perceive to be) bad choices and putting THEMSELVES in exploitative situations. These do-gooders seem to think that feminist ideals only apply to certain 'types' of women. Women who are sex workers/foreigners/single mums/black/uneducated/poor/etc, are automatically assumed to be 'victims' and as such, do not qualify as strong, independent thinking women. We apparently need THEM to think FOR us. Can't they see that the whole ESSENCE of feminism is a woman's right to speak for herself and have her voice heard in the political arena and that these feminazi groups are ERODING THOSE RIGHTS every time they speak FOR us, AGAINST our wishes??? These soccer mums are giving us ONE choice - to be like THEM. They can't, for one second, imagine that a woman may choose to live her life any way but THEIR way. The RIGHT way.
In my opinion, neither the prostitution debate, nor the Marriage Broker Act, has anything to do with protecting women from men. This is not even about protecting 'vulnerable' women from making decisions (such as marrying a foreigner or working in a brothel) that they might later find intolerable. This is about stopping women from making life decisions that the FEMINAZIS find intolerable. I don't know whether they do this out of genuine concern, religious zeal, fear or just plain jealousy, but I wish they would just MIND THEIR OWN FKN BUSINESS, get on with their own lives and leave us to live ours the way we see fit.
Excuse the rant, but these selfish b*tches really make my blood boil.
Nursey showed up to agree....it must be a cold day in suburbia I mean hell :)
There are few things more dangerous to the ongoing safety/liberty of the word than the biddy/hausfrau/oprahzombie/middle class housewife/soccer mom.
As touched upon previously they:
Vote/support/donate to-any organization or individual that they percieve as being "good"-having tremendous free time and financial resouces makes them a force of nature. in regards to inflicting change..
Don't delve any further than the superficial level into issues (The T-shirt answers-"Do it for the childen"...."Potect the helpless women")-most of them, having needed little more than a vagina to secure a comfortable existence, didn't need to develop any critical reading or analytical skills. They tend to hear what they want to hear, and believe without question anything that is fed to them through a "credible" source......and disregard anything coming in from a "bad" source despite that source having a perfectly reasoned logical argument, with valid supporting points.
Generally are big believers in controlling the world through rules and laws at the expense of freedom........some things just shouldn't be allowed you know....
B9k
PS I'm sure that everyone knows that I think the current US president, VP, and several other cronies should be removed from the White House in handcuffs, but something that scares me almost as much is Hillary.....now I'm basically a big leftist, but given the state of things (and I could be wrong-she is very intelligent, and does have the ability to see past the stupid superficial levels of issues, unlike the biddies who would be her constituency), putting her in the White house will likely put nails into some coffins.
Rubber Nursey
06-23-06, 06:49
They tend to hear what they want to hear, and believe without question anything that is fed to them through a "credible" source......and disregard anything coming in from a "bad" source despite that source having a perfectly reasoned logical argument, with valid supporting points.
My point exactly - and those 'bad' sources include the very women that they supposedly care so much about. Sex worker advocates have been dealing with this for decades. Feminazis claim that sex workers are being victimised by prostitution. Wh*re activists say that THEY know better than anyone else what it's like to be involved in prostitution and that they are NOT being victimised. Feminazi response: "These 'poor women' have been so beaten down and degraded by the sex industry that their self-esteem is low enough that they BELIEVE they aren't being victimised...which is (of course) irrefutable proof that they ARE being victimised. We need to defend them because they are obviously in no condition to defend themselves!"
(Strangely enough, hookers who HAVE been victimised and abused and are willing to share that horror story with the world ARE SUDDENLY ENTIRELY CREDIBLE WITNESSES).
The same theory applies to Third World women marrying Westerners. If the woman claimed that she was truly happy taking care of the home and her loving husband, the feminazis would consider that proof positive that she was being 'brainwashed' into being a Stepford wife by an abusive mysogynist. Her opinion can't be trusted because she has been manipulated and exploited and is unable to see her own situation clearly.
It seems the only REAL authorities on what its like to be a hooker or a 'mail order bride' are white American soccer mums - who have probably never even SEEN a foreign bride or hooker in their entire sheltered, middle class lives.
part of all of that is puritanical bullshit too. i'm under the understanding that some parts of the world don't consider the work of accepting a strange man't penis into the mouth, or vagina to be any different than any other type of work.
the feminazi would say:
"doing this can cause emotional scarring"-to which i would have to reply "yea, but so can lots of other kinds of work....i have literal nightmares, and am sometimes prompted to get up and punch walls in response to things that have happened to me doing fucking restaurant work.
"but it is dangerous"-again, so is a lot of other kinds of work. i have heard stories about men being literally vaporized by molten steel in the steel mills near my home. my next door neighbor caught a shot to the head from something swinging on a crane boom, and died at 38. men do all kinds of dangerous work, why isn't this an issue with them?
sometimes the women are enslaved.....in the event that someone is actually kidnapped or deceived into forced sex work, being held against their will, i personally would (given the ability to do so) gladly lead the raiding party to arrest and prosecute the slimy predators engaging in this behavior. however, other times, women do voluntarily contract to provide sex services in a brothel for a fixed period of time in exchange for accomodations and transportation out of their poor country...sometimes they do this as desperation from not having any other options.....and in other cases, they do it because they want to make "big money" and go shopping a lot. i'm sure that some feminazi's would say that it is wrong to be held in such a contract, but there is prescedent elsewhere for this type of thing....for example in miliary service, utilized by most evey government in the world....you can enter service, and deprive yourself of the liberty to go wherever you want, and to not be sent into environments where you could lose your life....there are certainly other examples, for example, signing yourself up as a crew memberr of a fishing boat. in that situation, you are certainly voluntarily deprived of your liberty for the duration of the voyage, and may in fact be risking your life on a daily basis.
"but it's still just wrong for a woman to have to sleep with a man she isn't attracted to" aaah now that logic and reason have failed us, it's time to just make arbitray judgments and proclamation.....let me bring up the hypocisy now of marriage (i think cho covered this a few days ago-maybe not this exact perception).......there are all kinds of women married and (ocassionally) accepting cock into their bodies that they aren't especially attracted to.....perhaps these women underneath it all feel that the sex workers just aren't charging enough and scewing with their market share.
by the way, i encountered the simplistic identification of "good" and "bad" in brain dead hausfaus while i was a financial advisor. my boss, rep001hinly incompetent as a money manager made a half mill a year shifting around the investments of about 400 brainless oprahzombies......they let him do pretty much whatever he wanted to do because he is a nice man who talks to them about their children, grandchildren, fishing, health ailments....etc
b9k
ps i wish that petition forum were still open....we could have some fun with it...there were a few rep001hing comments up there pertaining to the collective idiocy. does anyone know of anyplace else on the net that we could go and fuck with people like this?
I saw this on other board and thought I'd it post here. It's about an American Guy and his American wife.
I had plenty of BJ's in the year and a half we dated. Not one since the wedding band went on. We also had sex 2-3 times per week while dating. On our wedding night, my wife told me she was too tired for sex. The following honeymoon week at a romantic resort in the Bahamas, we had sex only once. After I begged for it.
In the first few years of marriage had sex maybe once every 2 weeks, and only in missionary position. It was obvious it had become a chore to my wife. As soon as she became pregnant with our first child, sex stopped completely. No medical reason, she just flat out said she didn't want to until after the baby was born. After pleading for 6 months after that birth, she finally said O.K. Wouldn't you know, that one time was all it took, and she was pregnant again. That was 14 years ago, and also the last time we had sex.
We talked about it several times, until she admitted she just plain didn't like sex. She said it had nothing to do with me (I'm still fit and not unattractive), and she wasn't lesbian. She just didn't enjoy sex, never had, and never will. But said she would occasionally go through the motions if I insisted. Don't know about you guys, but pretty hard for me to get and keep a woody up (even tho my wife is very attractive) when I know my partner is not interested. So I never insisted.
About a year ago, my wife told me she suspected I was cheating on her, and that if she ever found out for sure, she would leave me. I had never cheated (paid or unpaid). But the whole threat thing pissed me off, especially being falsely accused.
That's when I decided to start hobbying. Haven't regretted it since.
When will men generally realise......only about 5% of women enjoy sex.....for what it is, what it gives back etc....a further 5-10% will enjoy it in the right circumstances....ie..holidays, alcohol on the go..a guy they really...really fancy.......so that leaves......85%...to whom sex ...means little or nothing....
If it meant anything to a woman.......they would do the chasing, regardless of social/religious mores and morality...believe me.........so guys get up on your hind legs and beg.......like the lap dogs you are............:(
Whats the one food that puts a woman completely off sex......?
Wedding cake....
Why does the bride smile so much on her wedding day?
Cos thats the day after which, she will never ever have to give another blow job............go figure.....
Regarding the fellow in Astor's recent post:
"I had plenty of BJ's in the year and a half we dated. Not one since the wedding band went on." Dude, if you're getting that kind of satisfaction why spoil things by getting married?
"We also had sex 2-3 times per week while dating." Again, keep on dating!
"On our wedding night, my wife told me she was too tired for sex." UH-OH!!!
Red flags going up all over the place. At this point, you should have come to this full realization that something is terribly wrong.
"We had sex only once. After I begged for it." Married less than a week and already we can see who's in charge.
"14 years ago, and also the last time we had sex." You should have started getting some on the side..... a good time to start would have been about 14 years ago :) .
That was my policy even back in the days when I was dating. There's always going to be these girls who don't put out right away. Most of them are good to go after a few weeks. However, some of them test a guy by making him wait for it for months. This is also a strategy they use to get the upper hand in a relationship..... they are showing the guy that they don't need him as much as he needs her.
When I found myself dating a girl like that, I'd see her maybe 2 or 3 times a week. On the other nights, I'd spend some quality time with women who were a bit more "easy going". Of course women don't like it when a guy does that. They call it cheating. The real reason they don't like it is because there's no way they'll maintain the upper hand if the guy has his other options available.
Last quote:
"About a year ago, my wife told me she suspected I was cheating on her, and that if she ever found out for sure, she would leave me. I had never cheated (paid or unpaid). But the whole threat thing pissed me off, especially being falsely accused. That's when I decided to start hobbying. Haven't regretted it since."
Amen brother, amen.
Rock
Oh yeah, I have a message for Jane McGuire of Maine, the woman that suggested "all American men looking for a date, should have their background info and a search through sex offender registry results in hand before asking any woman out."
FUCK YOU, C**T!!!I don't see Jane McGuire on page one, so Good Lord, man! You actually read past the first page of this drivel? I can't even get past the first page of a sensationalist political tabloid, oops I mean newspaper, without laughing my ass off about intentional omissions and biased reporting.
Well, anyway, at least Jane here has all but admitted her seething distrust of men who talk to foreign women, and isn't wrapping her statment in a gold-fringed flag like damn near every TV talk show host, oops I mean "cable news reporter."
Giggity,
It looks like you are new to this forum. Welcome! Here you will hear the TRUE opinions from those who aren't afraid to speak their minds.
The truth is, there are women who absolutely hate what we do. They hate us for buying sex, instead of begging for it.
They hate us for daring to look for a wife outside the national border. They hate us even more when they see how young, beautiful and easy-going she is...... especially compared to them. They even hate women.... any woman who breaks ranks and makes a man happy without first negotiating the ultimate price.
What's more, they don't just hate us and leave it at that. Many of them actively seek to punish us for doing these things. They agitate, mobilize and try dreaming up new regulations and passing laws that are purposely designed to keep us on our knees.
Think I'm paranoid? Look at what happens to the average guy in divorce court. Look at the laws here regarding prostitution..... then compare how things are in other countries. Look at IMBRA...... designed to make it far more difficult for men to meet and marry foreign (ie. better) women. Imbra was cooked up and introduced by 2 middle-aged FEMALE politicians.
Jane McGuire, and others like her, have an agenda. We should keep an eye on them and oppose them whenever and however we can.
Rock
Rubber Nursey
06-26-06, 00:24
part of all of that is puritanical bullshit too. i'm under the understanding that some parts of the world don't consider the work...to be any different than any other type of work.
not entirely true - even in other parts of the world, such as mine, where sex work is considered 'legitimate' (if not entirely 'legal') in most parts of the country and sex workers are taxed, unionised and (in theory) covered by industrial and oh&s law, sex work is still not considered to be 'normal' work and sex workers themselves are still subject to all the same stigma, discrimination and outright hatred from society, that they are in any other part of the world. (but you're right in blaming a lot of that on "puritanical bullshit").
"but it is dangerous"...men do all kinds of dangerous work, why isn't this an issue with them?
ah...because in the other types of work that you're talking about, other men are not the danger! this is not about whether or not men are the victims. this is about men being the perpetrators. i know most people see sex work as a 'women's issue' - and with 90something percent of sex workers being female, it largely is - but if you have a closer look at the other 10ish percent, you'll notice something very interesting. male and transsexual sex workers, who see male clients, are treated exactly the same way by society as female sex workers. they are seen as abused, victimised, at risk and in danger, just like the girls are. just as female sex workers are painted as being drug dependent, uneducated and sexually dysfunctional (generally assumed to have been abused as children or treated badly by men in adulthood), men and transsexuals who have sex with men for money are also assumed to be drug addicted, uneducated, abuse victims with sexual identity issues - unlike men who have sex with women for money.
compare the images associated with the words 'rent-boy' or 'male prostitute', to the word gigolo. a rent-boy is a junkie standing on a street corner looking for a man to give him a bed for the night in exchange for a blow job - a gigolo is a suave, intelligent handsome man who is an expert in sex (female sex workers are rarely ever considered 'experts' in their field!!), who does the job for the glamour and excitement it provides. compare the movies working girl and pretty woman - where the hooker with a heart of gold is 'rescued' by her night in shining armour - to the comedy deuce bigolo. the fact that it is a comedy says something about how society perceives men who charge women for sex. compare the gigolo's sprawling home to the cheap, nasty flat that julia roberts' pretty woman lives in. compare the romantic dinner dates that deuce goes on, to the violence and abuse that julia experiences. compare the gigolo's jetsetting lifestyle (why he needed a housesitter in the first place) to julia hocking her arse on a street corner.
to me that says that when it comes to sex, men are powerful and in control of their own bodies - women are submissive and not in control and therefore at risk of exploitation and abuse at the hands of men. men and transsexuals, for some reason, suddenly fall into the 'female' category as soon as they charge for sex. (oh, hang on, we don't charge men for sex - that would suggest some element of control. men buy us and use us for sex!)
as to your other points...
yes, some women are enslaved and 'forced' to pay off debts, contracts, etc. that is because in most countries - even where prostitution is legal - sex workers cannot enter the country legitimately as a sex worker (that is, they cannot apply for a working visa to work in the sex industry). if they could do this legally, there would be no need for traffickers or middle men to falsify documents and smuggle them in. the women could enter the country (and leave) of their own accord. why can't they do this? because moralists/feminazis/religious zealots refuse to allow sex work to be seen as, and treated as, a legitimate occupation. (this very topic is the current discussion in the morality section).
yes, the job is dangerous. even in the safest of sex working environments (like australia), sex workers are robbed, beaten, stalked and raped, all the time. we are ripped off by clients and brothel owners and (believe it or not) the tax dept. we are harassed by police. isn't this, in itself, a good argument to criminalise the sex industry? no! this happens because the industry is criminalised! by forcing us to operate illegally (or at best, in a legal 'grey area') we have no support from police and no legal recourse when we are mistreated. so why is sex work not decriminalised for sex workers' safety? because moralists/feminazis/religious zealots refuse to allow sex work to be seen as, and treated as, a legitimate occupation.
and as for 'emotional scarring' - there have been surveys carried out all over the world that ask sex workers what is responsible for any emotional scars they may have from their time in the industry. their answer is always, overwhelmingly, the stigma associated with being a wh*re. its the opinions and attitudes of society that hurt us the most. its the way they portray us on the tv and in the newspapers. its the way judges let off serial killers and [CodeWord127] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord127) who 'only' targeted prostitutes. its the fear that you live with, every day of your life (even once you stop working) that someone may find out about your past and you could lose everything. its the myths and lies about sex workers and the sex industry that are accepted as fact by most of society. and who perpetrates those myths? the moralists/feminazis/religious zealots who refuse to allow sex work to be seen as, and treated as, a legitimate occupation! (are you starting to see a pattern here? :) )
apologies for continuing this discussion in the aw section, when i really should have moved it to the morality section, but i figured that this topic does go some way to describing some women's prejudices and attitudes towards other women and the sexual power dynamic between women and men.
ps. bart: i don't think it's that hookers aren't charging enough - i think its that we are doing it too blatantly. that is, too honestly. the 'average' woman might be thinking "if he wants my pussy, i'm gonna slowly manipulate him into buying me dinner, then jewellery, then the house and car". a hooker says "if you want my pussy - give me 200 bucks!" :)
I see that you have adopted one of my favorite tools, exposing hypocrasy through reversing the genders in a given situation:
A couple of observations:
1. It's been said here before-Prostitution....it's the only honest way to get laid.
2. This board is pretty flexible as you know....we go all the way from Bush Bashing to expatriation issues (two closely related isssues in fact).....the only time I have ever seen anyone call "off topic" is when we are beating our troll.
3. In addition to the paternalism (more on that in a moment) as have pointed out before, the prohibition (it's well established that they don't work by the way, leading back into you crim/decrim points) is about POWER...the more that men want sex and can't get it, the more power women have, which manifests all over the place.....just the other day, I met a hot little 22 year old piece of ass who has a SEXY finance job (one that I would give up a testicle to get-I have an MS in that field)....her qualification..a BS in psychology.....plus somewhere, a hiring authority who wants to fuck her. I can't help but think that if the market price for hot young pussy were established, and supply was available, the hiring authority in that case would have been less motivated by his dick, and more prone to say hire someone who can tell him what a correlation coeficient is.
(Going to watch Deadwood....more later......Calamity Jane rules all!!!)
OK I'm back....Damn no Calamity Jane this week.
4. The paternalistic bulllshit (major perpetratorrs being white middle class biddies, along with religious fucks) goes far beyond sex workers.....I find it quite patronizing (the same way that you do) that some of these people feel a need to determine what literature, film and radio broadcasts I should be consuming as I am most certainly incapable of making these determinations on my own........I REALLY need some simple minded, ignorant, dumb as fuck housefrau to decide that I can't handle watching "The Shield", reading "Catcher in the Rye", or listening to "Howard Stern", without suffering personal harm or engaging in socially destructive behavior.
5. On a completely different subject.......there is a girl at my job....17 years old (18 in a few months), she is smoking fucking hot....she literally looks like a petite little pornstar, but is just a hair geeky, which makes her even hotter, because it makes her seem "gettable".......she is smart, funny, and cool as hell. And I am so proud of her. Her long standing boyfriiend is NICE, very smart, responsible studious, hardworkinig, somewhat geeky and insecure, and treats her like a princess, is crazy about her and faithful,..........basically about the furthest fucking thinig that one could be from some the "bad boy loser"/jerks/smooth talkers/"alpha males" (quotations because from high school, those are the guys who often end up wth a glamorous career working for the local oil change place) that most of her hot little contemporaries pine over. This is the way that the fuckinig world shoulld be.
B9k
Rubber Nursey
06-26-06, 03:30
To those of you incensed by the pro-IMBRA petition that Chocha posted the other day - I found a (much more rational, level-headed) anti-IMBRA petition you might be interested in.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/174725004?ltl=1151287024
We love you Nursey!!!
B9k
Rubber Nursey
06-26-06, 18:30
We love you Nursey!!!
Awww shucks, babe. Much appreciated. Although you might regret saying that in a minute - I'm about to go all feminist on your ass... :)
POWER...the more that men want sex and can't get it, the more power women have, which manifests all over the place.....
This is a statement that's been made in this section, over and over, since Adam was a boy - I had a problem with it then and I still do now. I don't get it! Are you honestly suggesting that the whole power dynamic between women and men is shifting because men don't have ready access to pussy? Do you really believe that the unfulfilled sexual desires of men, as individuals or collectively as a gender, are a force of such significance in the grand scheme of things, that men will eventually crumble under the pressure and be forced to submit to the whims of a matriarchal New World Order, just to get a root? Isn't a wee bit insulting to to men? I mean...you're basically accusing mankind of thinking with their dicks. ;)
I too have a theory about the power dynamic in today's political climate. Many years ago, the Church stomped all over the world's matriarchal societies and installed a man at the head of every family dinner table. Over the centuries that followed, a man was free to drink, gamble, vote, travel, be educated and indulge in pleasures of the flesh. His wife existed solely to serve him, as maid, cook, nanny and wh*re. Every man was a king and the whole world was their kingdom. Their power was absolute.
Then, a few decades ago, the Women's Movement arrived on the scene and to cut a very long story short, men were eventually forced to concede that women were actually human after all and, as such, we probably deserved a few more rights than the right to pop out your babies, cook your eggs and wash your dirty underpants. By the 60s and 70s we had discovered a new right that you guys had been hiding from us for centuries - the right to have indiscriminate casual sex with strangers, without having to marry them first. We also discovered employment and then we could have financial security, as well as sex, without needing to get married. And so the sexual revolution began.
Over the next few years, women gained more and more independence, power and political clout. Women voted for things that would improve women's health and social status, such as making abortion and the contraceptive pill accessible and changing divorce laws so that a) women could leave domestic violence situations and b) when they did leave, they didn't walk away with nothing but the clothes on their back. (I know this eventually went overboard, but their original intentions were good). More childcare centres were opened so that mothers could return to the workforce and affirmative action plans gave women more diverse occupations to choose from. And in many countries, prostitution was decriminalised and/or legalised, with feminists supporting sex worker activists' claims that it was a woman's right to use her own body as she sees fit.
Ok, that brings us to today. Today, I DO see the power dynamic beginning to shift, but not towards women. What I see is men trying to claw that power BACK. In the last couple of years (and this is why I just summarised the entire history of womankind - not to be a pain in the ass, but so I can demonstrate the rise and fall :) ) our Governments have been slowly stripping away many of the rights that feminists fought so hard to secure.
There are moves all over the world at the moment to REcriminalise abortion. Many countries are reviewing their prostitution laws, with some who used to have a liberal approach now turning towards outright abolition. A few years ago, teenage girls were being told that condoms were not only the boys responsibility and that they should be carrying them as well - now total abstinence is being preached at schools. Here, there are currently attempts to raise the age that girls can access the Pill without their parents consent and teenagers are being denied access to the morning-after pill. Actually, the morning-after pill was only made available over the counter a couple of years ago, but now there is talk of withdrawing it again and returning it to prescription-only. The Federal Government is in the process of slowly changing the divorce laws with the aim of make them harder to obtain. They are also offering financial incentives to married women to encourage them to stay in the home and pop out more children. Childcare has become inaccessible to many and unaffordable to most, but despite Govt promises to fix it, nothing has been done. Welfare payments to single parents are being cut (are they trying to make us single parents get married, or are they trying to discourage single childless women from making the decision to have a baby alone?)
What I see is a push towards 'traditional' families and 'traditional' gender roles (read: putting the man back at the head of the dinner table) and a really big blow to women's sexual and reproductive freedom. HOWEVER, if the Government takes away all our freedoms and forces us back into subservience - but unlike in the old days, we'll know what we're missing out on this time - women are REALLY gonna be wanting some sort of reward in exchange for the only bargaining tool that we'll have left. Pussy is gonna be worth more than gold and I can see you guys having an even harder time than you're having now.
Sinanju Master
06-26-06, 18:52
unless the entire planet converts to fundamentalist islamic ways of thought, i don't see this reversal of power actually occuring. i'm all for women having the rights that men have, but for them to complain about being oppressed for the last five millenia and to try to "balance the scales" by augmenting those rights (in other words penalizing men and putting us at a higher/tighter standard than women) is the same bullshit that they accuse us of having done since before the dawn of recorded history. some crude examples would be: when a woman accuses a man of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), the public instantly assumes she is right and he is wrong. sexual harassment: same thing. employment: i'm not certain that affirmative action would be the best course of action if you are going to hire the best applicant for the job instead of fulfilling a quota set by a government that is slowly being worn down by the relentless feminazi agenda that will not end at equality for the sexes, but our (men's) eventual subjugation. remember, the squeaky wheel gets the grease, and as long as they are around to vociferously promote their argument to an unwitting (and/or uncaring) audience, they will gain ground, like kudzu. for a specific argument, divorce: if a woman stays at home and takes care of the "king's" kids and upholds the maintenance of the house, i have no prob with her getting a sizeable settlement from the divorce, since she invested a sizeable chunk of her life and effort toward the union. however, if said woman tries to drain the last drop of financial blood from a guy simply to satisfy a craving for revenge, then i have a huge prob with that. women have it better now than in the past and i don't see the sentries of feminism ever letting it go backward.
Nursey,
I can speak only for myself that despite musings to the contrary, am not looking for the day that women are returned only to having the rights of children....or the rights of the family pet. Those days were an imbalance of fairness and equity.
The "pussy power" that you do not believe in is making an affect much more on a micro level than the macro, which you seem to be asserting.....you don't think that women have power in this country? I have to point to consumer spending....near my home on the commercial strip, there is on average, every half mile, a 10,000-20,000 square foot furniture superstore......and I really don't think that it is men as a whole who are driving the demand for $10,000 new living room sets......then we have SUV's also.....often 30-50K to run back and forth to the corner grocery store, tanning studio, and kid's soccer practice.
Women don't have power? You along with us were maligning paternalistic "biddies"....who are politically powerful due to having copious free time and financial resources.....Why do they have these resources? Is it because they work endless hours under dangerous conditons? No. Is it because they have developed high level skills in medicine, law, or business? Not so much, they are generally ignorant and isolated from reality....the money and comfortable lifestyle comes primarily from the work of men, who's primary motivation in getting married is to "buy the cow"
Divorce is now, again, an imbalance...... I agree with you that a MOTHER and her children should not be cast into the streets for failing to please her husband......this is unconsciounable. However, on the other hand, it is also unconsciounable that a man now who can easily be divorced at the whim of his wife, has to then support her and the kids in the big luxurious suburban house and keep up her SUV payments ("the style to which she is accostomed").....while trying to stil support himself, and toss together a few dollars for his retirement after he has been cleaned out by the divorce.....yes, he has a responsibility to his children....would it be so terrible to have to move to a safe clean, but plain 3 bedroom apartment (partially underwritten by the ex-husband), and ride the bus to your little job......not "the style to which you are acustomed" but still hardly being tossed into the streets.....and under that scenario, the husband has a fighting chance of making a new life for himself.
And yes, women are over powered in other ways, such as what Sin mentioned in the ability to have a man guilty until proven in sex related allegations. A woman can literally end a man's career with an allegation of sexual harassment, and the burden of proof is on the man to prove himself innocent. I have seen it(in actual response to something having nothing to do with sex) happen.
And yes, as Sin asserted, the trend is towards not equalization, but instead towards subjugation. Western society is becoming increasingly feminized, and males and male behavior are being progressively made into the underclass....a recent trend has been to push males out of the education system (controlled by women hmmmmm), for basically not acting like girls........male enrollment in college is I believe on a percentage basis at an all time low, and in a few years, there should be an interesting collision of trends as a lack of educated skilled males to be strong providers collides with women's propensity to drop out of the "real" workforce and be homemakers.........women may find themselves in a position of being forced to be the "breadwinner" as their lesser producing husbands keep little nothing jobs, attend to the children, and maintain the household.........and threaten to take away the wealth that they have accumulated in a divorce.
B9k
Oh, and regarding the bible thumping morons who are against contraception, abortion, and REALISTIC sex education plans et, all, I will laugh my ass off when that one comes home to roost....hopefully while safely ensconsed in a pimp daddy condo in Eastern Europe, or a private island in the Carribean.
Rubber Nursey
06-27-06, 02:05
women don't have power? you along with us were maligning paternalistic "biddies"....who are politically powerful due to having copious free time and financial resources...
and i will continue to malign feminazis and religious zealots and anyone else who aims to create one rule for one part of society and another rule for the other. i don't care whether its about black and white, rich and poor, male and female or wh*res and saints - i believe in equality. i believe that everyone should have equal access to employment, health services and the legal system. i certainly don't believe that women deserve more rights than men, just as i don't want to see a return to men having more rights than women. i am absolutely on your side when it comes to alimony payments (not usually a factor in aussie divorces, unless you're a hugely rich megastar), 70/30 property splits and automatic placement of children with mothers. i, personally, don't believe in 'affirmative action' of any kind (whether it's about gender or colour) if it means that some moron will get the job over someone more qualified, just because their skin is black or they have a vagina. i also don't believe anyone has the right - male or female - to tell us what we can and can't do in our own bedrooms (sex workers and the gay and lesbian community) or to our own bodies (abortion, contraception and casual sex) or censor what books we can read or what movies we can watch, blah, blah, blah. the list of civil liberties violations, mostly made in the name of radical feminism and/or religious zealotry, is endless.
and i am definitely not saying that women don't have power. women are very much the target demographic for most advertising and it's not just for the fridge and washing machine any more. i used to work in real estate and as much as you had to impress the husband (because he was the one signing the cheque, so he had to at least trust you with his money) ultimately, the decision on which home to buy was usually made by the woman. same goes for the family car. to me, that makes a degree of sense, because she will be the one spending the most time there and she is more able to assess whether it's 'child-friendly', etc - but i can't see men ever having allowed women to make such huge financial decisions in the past. and women still have a fair degree of clout in the political arena, with more and more women becoming strong political figures - however, i actually see that being to the detriment of women. as i have said many times before...women are our own worst enemies. between the tendency to 'behave like men' to prove themselves in politics and the jealous/judgemental way that some women treat other women, things like sexual and reproductive freedom seem to suffer when placed in the hands of female politicians. women can be very cruel to each other. but i digress... :)
the point you made about less men entering college was a very interesting one. if that is indeed the case and there will eventually be less skilled/qualified men entering the workforce than there are women, it has the potential to really alter the power dynamic in middle to upperclass families. even without the (somewhat dated) notion that men should be the breadwinner just because he's the man of the house, men are generally the ones who keep their jobs after the kids are born because they have always had a much better capacity to earn than women do. wouldn't it be an interesting 'social experiment' to see what happens when women are the leering, sleazy ceos pinching the mail boy's arse and the men are at home with the kids and dr phil. how would workplace sexual harassment laws change? how would divorce courts deal with the property settlements and custody issues? would women eventually spend their free time in bars and brothels looking for younger men, complaining loudly that their fat house-husband has 'let himself go' and is too tired for sex any more? hmmm very interesting indeed!
i do have a comment to make about the [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)/sexual harassment issues that both of you mentioned, but i'll have to come back to that later. it's my son's birthday today and i've gotta go make him a birthday cake. :)
Sinanju Master
06-27-06, 02:26
i do have a comment to make about the [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)/sexual harassment issues that both of you mentioned, but i'll have to come back to that later. it's my son's birthday today and i've gotta go make him a birthday cake. :)
wish your son a happy 16th b-day for me, doll!
Rubber Nursey
06-27-06, 02:48
It's the other one...my 'baby' turns 10 today. Oh my God! When did I get so OLD??!!! LOL
But thank you, babe! :)
Sinanju Master
06-27-06, 02:53
Doll, the day I don't wanna do naughty things to you (I never mentioned I have a thing for redheads) is the day you can call yourself OLD, not a DAY before!
Sinanju Master
06-27-06, 03:12
M5, the fact that RN is a woman, she's gonna ALWAYS present a view that is central to a woman (a woman who actually sees both sides, mind you), but I gotta hand it to her that she DOES present some facts that ARE irrefutable. I'll never begrudge her the desire to try to make the plight of women BETTER than it is. I don't think she wants to make a world where subjugation of men is the norm, but merely to make it more equitable. I have more dealings with her than most of you here, dating back several years, so, my endorsement of her is not something I do lightly.
Rubber Nursey
06-27-06, 03:59
marak - i would much rather you were 'open in your disdain' than sucking up my arse on the board and then slagging me off in private. i respect both your honesty and your opinion.
my opinion, as sin said, is always gonna come from a female point of view - as a woman, it's the only frame of reference i have. but as a woman, i experience the world differently to you and your experience of the world is different to mine. bart and i are not so much presenting undeniable facts of how the world is - we are essentially describing how the world is for us, as individuals of opposite genders. and i am not necessarily addressing every point that he makes because either a) it's not how i see the issue and i am presenting how i do see the issue for his assessment, or b) i agree with him. as a matter of fact, i have agreed with almost everything he's said in his last few posts, but on some issues i don't agree with his perception of what causes the particular issue. for example, i completely agree with his statements on female consumer spending...what i don't understand is the correlation between that and the amount of sex that men are getting. are we really saying that a man is willing to spend half a million dollars on a house and an suv, just so his wife doesn't withhold sexual favours from him? wouldn't it be soooo much easier, if sex really is the primary goal, to just have an affair? go to a hooker? does withholding sex really make a woman that powerful? as i said before, i find that concept just a wee bit insulting to men, but that could be because i genuinely don't understand the issue - which is why i am genuinely asking for bart's opinion on it.
for the record, i said 'if that's the case' with regards to less men entering college, for two reasons. one, because i am not an american and would have no clue what the gender balance in american colleges is (nor australian colleges for that matter, because i don't move in those circles). and two, because bart used the qualifier "i believe", which i took to mean that he wasn't sure of the exact facts.
and i also stated that i would get back to address the sexual harassment issue when i was finished playing housewife and mother. :)
i'm not excited by the prospect of any part of the community being forced into subjugation, and that includes men. i believe it's bad for men and women when one party has more power than the other, just as it is when one race has power over another. this is absolutely not about bart being wrong and me being right, or vice versa. this is me sharing how i view the world - as it affects me, as a woman - and hearing about how bart (and others) experience the world as men. you can't claim, with authority, that the grass is greener on the other side, unless you take a peek over the fence.
Chocha Monger
06-27-06, 05:37
I seriously doubt that men and women will ever swap roles to any significant degree, at least in the US. I have female friends who have good incomes but they still blatantly state that they're looking for a man to pay the mortgage.
Despite the religious right's success in lobbying the president to deny naughty NGO's Federal dollars for family planning programs, the average American male does not support such initiatives, so it is rather unfair to claim that men in general want to reverse the progress previously made in this area.
When it comes to marriage, it is usually the woman who aggressively markets the cow and demands a purchase contract. Most men seem perfectly to content to fuck the pussy with no commitment until the woman pressures them into marriage through threats to cut off access to the pussy, an "unplanned pregnancy" or numerous other tactics to get her man.
I don't think women ever need to worry about men forcing them to stay at home and bear children while they go out to work as it was in the past. The new economic reality pretty much requires both parties to a marriage to work outside the home in order to maintain a good standard of living. Less college educated men means that more women will have to work full time if they don't want to end up living in a trailer. That in turn means they are less likely to have many, if any, children. The birth rates for many industrialized are low or negative. The US is the exception due to the fact that hispanic immigrants tend to have more children than if they had remained in their own countries.
Feminists did some good things for women's rights, however, like all good things it can be taken too far when it gets to radical extremism. Moderation is key. Now, if America loses the Gobal War on Islamic extremists then women can forget about driving SUVs, going to school or making decisions. Perhaps, the best thing a feminist can do to protect women's rights to go see her friendly Army recruiter.
Rubber Nursey
06-27-06, 07:22
...the average American male does not support such initiatives, so it is rather unfair to claim that men in general want to reverse the progress previously made in this area.
I was talking the men currently in power - the Bush Administration and the Australian Federal Government in particular. No offence to the Americans amongst us, but that Dubya is one scary sonofabitch. And my own Prime Minister has his head planted so far up your President's arse, that he has no choice but to follow him around on his knees, like the snivelling little toad that he is. No offence to the Christians amongst us either, but I consider a Christian extremist just as dangerous as any Islamic extremist. A zealot is a zealot; there is just no reasoning with them. The thought that one of those zealots is also one of the most powerful men in the world, is really quite frightening to me.
I should mention that it's also rather unfair to claim that women in general support some of the outlandish so-called 'feminist' policies that have been discussed so often in this section. :)
I'm not sure I agree that marriage is usually demanded by the woman. Sure, many women want to get married, especially if they want to have children. Women are also very insecure and yes, its nice to know that your man 'belongs' to you and he's not (hopefully) still running around sowing his wild oats. But many men think the same way. Men still want to have a family and raise children. Men also like to put the ring on a woman's finger to show her (and other men) that she now 'belongs' to him. Surely the decision to get married should be based on a desire you BOTH have to take your relationship to the next level. I guess sometimes one party may want it more than the other, but short of the 'unplanned pregnancy' type scenario you mentioned, nobody can really be FORCED into getting married.
But I do agree with what you said about both parties being forced to work and less couples having children. I think it's sad that we've become so money hungry and possession-driven, that we would choose working towards a condo and a Mazerati over a having children. People used to save for a home that they could raise their families and grow old together in - now people save for an early retirement so they can travel the world staying in 5-star resorts and sleeping with exotic hotties. Very sad.
Happy Chappy
06-27-06, 10:54
People used to save for a home that they could raise their families and grow old together in - now people save for an early retirement so they can travel the world staying in 5-star resorts and sleeping with exotic hotties. Very sad.[/QUOTE]
I don't see the sad part in the above statement. It is what I intend to so, I believe I am the best person to know what makes me happy, and I also believe such plans shall not hurt anybody else.
What do I find sad? Children being raised by couples constantly fighting, often over family finances. Also couples becoming parents without thinking long and hard about whether that is right for them or the children, but jumping in without much thought because that is what all their friends are doing, or the wife is bored at her day job. Also is having children that generous? It is usually considered selfish when someone decides not to have children, but if we are really becoming parents purely because of the care we have for children, shouldn't we be helping the poverty stricken children in the world first before we decide to introduce our own into the world? Of course if a couple decided not to have children, and instead use the money intended to raise them on sponsoring children in poverty stricken countries in desparate need ,that may not work. That couple would miss out on the unconditional day to day love you usually receive from your own children, you wouldn't "fit in" with all the mother's group discussions about kids, and the wife would have plenty of spare time in the day to do what? maybe search for paid employment?
What is sad and what is selfish?
Sinanju Master
06-27-06, 21:21
There are 50,000 people born into this world every day, many of whom will never live to see their teen years due to disease, malnutrition, war, etc. On one side of the coin, bringing another human being into the world WITHOUT a lot of thought is plain stupid and selfish. A former coworker of mine suffered this dilemma. He and wifey ALREADY had a kid (who has anger management issues, it seems, AND is very strong for his age. I fear for their safety when he gets to be a teenager and DOESN'T get his way) and when wifey heard that her friend recently gave birth, she pressured her poor schmoe of a husband to have ANOTHER child (she wanted a girl but got another BOY) even though she has hypertension AND the medicine COULD have created problems with the birth. The kid came out fine through C-section. On the OTHER side of the coin, if I had a kid, I'd admittedly have an ulterior motive of my own: to pass on the martial art to HIM that will one day be passed on to ME by MY master. I'll admit to not being a kid-friendly adult, but interacting with one of my very own (biological or adopted) and passing on my life's experiences and watching him create his own would form a bond between us that I'd never known I was capable of. That being said, I wouldn't have a kid (okay, I can't "HAVE" a kid like say, RN can "HAVE" a kid) JUST BECAUSE my friends are having them. In my current situation, I'd be more likely to adopt a kid (IF I wanted one), or foregoing that, I'd meet Miss Right (and incur the ridicule of my bretheren from this board for swearing off my skirt-chasing ways), fall in love and make one with her AFTER a loooooong conversation about the pros and cons.
Rubber Nursey
06-28-06, 01:48
Very well said, Ozzie Trader and you're absolutely right. Looking back at my post, it does sound like I was concerned that more people weren't having children and playing happy families, but that isn't really how I meant it to come across. I have absolutely no problem with people retiring early and travelling the world, etc - I'm all for people doing what makes THEM happy.
It doesn't really have anything to do with having children. I guess what I find sad is modern society's obsession with money and 'things'. Have a look at what most of the relationship complaints on this forum are based on. Men don't want to get into relationships because dating means forking out lots of money to impress a woman (flowers, dinners, jewellery) it may lead to marriage (in which he will be expected to provide the house, car, etc) which may, in turn, lead to divorce (which could mean losing everything and starting all over again from scratch). Women apparently only care about how much money and power a potential date has and would only consider marrying him if she thinks he can keep her in the lap of luxury and elevate her social status. Even those women who DON'T care so much about a man's earning capacity, and are wealthy and/or successful in their own right, will avoid marriage because marriage could mean babies and babies could mean giving up their career and financial independence to play housewife and mother. (REALLY successful women also have the same concerns that men do about their less successful partner screwing them over and taking everything after the divorce).
That's what I find sad...that our obsession with money and material possessions could be so great that it stops us from even SEEKING happiness and emotional fulfillment with another person, let alone actually finding it.
Sinanju Master
06-28-06, 02:45
keeping up with the Joneses. I remember reading an article about how a circle of women friends (okay, AW's to be specific, in defense of Rubber Nursey, 'cos I don't know if ladies in Oz do this) obsess about weddings and secretly envy the current bride-to-be, wondering if HER wedding will outshine THEIR wedding... if HER rock will outshine THEIR rock... if HER honeymoon will outshine THEIR honeymoon... etc. It's no longer focused upon the life journey the bride and groom will take after the celebration of the big day is over, but upon the BLING of the wedding day. Yes, sad indeed...
One Wing Low
06-28-06, 05:29
That's why we are in Iraq, and actively looking for ways to be in Iran, North Korea, China, Russia.... We are gonna love them to death, whether they like it or not.
When we are sick and tired of them, hell, we are just gonna divorce them, and liberate all their wealth. We will also try every trick in the book to drive them insane, leaving them with brain-splitting migraine headaches for the rest of their short and miserable lives...
What do I find sad? Children being raised by couples constantly fighting, often over family finances.
Here's an idea,
Let's send all the lawyers and feminists over there to the countries we don't like. On the one hand, they might all get shot.... in which case we win. On the other hand, the lawyers and feminists so completely fuck things up in those other countries that they all go crazy.... in which case we win!
Rock
Happy Chappy
06-28-06, 10:58
Very well said, Ozzie Trader and you're absolutely right. Looking back at my post, it does sound like I was concerned that more people weren't having children and playing happy families, but that isn't really how I meant it to come across. I have absolutely no problem with people retiring early and travelling the world, etc - I'm all for people doing what makes THEM happy.
It doesn't really have anything to do with having children. I guess what I find sad is modern society's obsession with money and 'things'. Have a look at what most of the relationship complaints on this forum are based on. Men don't want to get into relationships because dating means forking out lots of money to impress a woman (flowers, dinners, jewellery) it may lead to marriage (in which he will be expected to provide the house, car, etc) which may, in turn, lead to divorce (which could mean losing everything and starting all over again from scratch). Women apparently only care about how much money and power a potential date has and would only consider marrying him if she thinks he can keep her in the lap of luxury and elevate her social status. Even those women who DON'T care so much about a man's earning capacity, and are wealthy and/or successful in their own right, will avoid marriage because marriage could mean babies and babies could mean giving up their career and financial independence to play housewife and mother. (REALLY successful women also have the same concerns that men do about their less successful partner screwing them over and taking everything after the divorce).
That's what I find sad...that our obsession with money and material possessions could be so great that it stops us from even SEEKING happiness and emotional fulfillment with another person, let alone actually finding it.I see your point now RN and agree with you. I know that my own plans to retire early are not driven by money or any material possessions. For me the money is not a way of accumulating material possessions. I plan on living in a very modest small apartment, drive a basic cheap car, and spend many months of the year overseas , and 2 or 3-star hotels well do me. It is all about freedom and choice. Whilst as far as employment goes I feel I am pretty lucky with my current job to be doing something I enjoy, I wish to get to the stage that if I go to work each day it is because I choose to , rather than have to. I want to spend my time doing exactly what I want to do, when I want to. And I also have a passion to travel, something that is limited with most available jobs.
But my current goals and attitudes make it very difficult dating in Australia at the moment. For example I meet up with a girl for a date they will ask how did I travel here (that is a cunning way of finding out what car you drive). Then the discussion can quickly turn to where I travelled from or where I am living ( a cunning way to find out if I have purchased a home, what suburb, how big etc). Then it will turn to how was work during the week (cunning way to sus out what industry and how senior you are, i.e. what salary you are on without actually asking). This seems to be how every date starts, a quick summary of balance sheet and income!
Now although I consider myself doing pretty well finanically for my age, given my goal of retiring relatively early, I drive a cheap car, and live in a cheap apartment in order to maximise my investments outside of these assets as that is where I plan on drawing my income from in the future. Also my personality is such that I am just not one to exaggerate what my job is. I know many other men who will dream up a long-winded title for their job to sound impressive but I am just a person with an honest attitude and am about being myself. There is no point putting on a fake act on the first date as it would get pretty tiring keeping it up in a long term relationship, you should just be yourself.
So after 5 minutes of a date, the girl will likely see me as someone with an average job that can't afford a decent car or house. Not all girls of course, but I have often detected some disaapointment in their reactions when I answer such questions. Of course there are some great girls who aren't superficial like that, but I have been on plenty of dates where it feels like you are starting a 100 mtr race with a handicap start of 50 mtrs. Remember when the girl's friends ask them how their date went, the first questions will often be what does he do for a living, where does he live etc. And most girls like it when their friends approve of who they are dating. If as a guy you haven't got great answers for such questions it's not that you haven't got any chance, its just that it makes things a lot harder and quite tiring to be honest.
I could easily go through many such dates where I just get nowhere, don't particularly have any fun either, many can be compared to a job interview to be honest. Then there is the cost involved which adds up over time. Once the decision to give up on such dating is made, the money saved can be put to an overseas trip. And at the end of the day financially there is probably not much difference between dating, or not dating but going on a couple of mongering trips a year. But one is not much fun it all. The other is a beautiful country, pretty girls, and lets say you have 2 overseas trips a year of 2 weeks at a time. 28 days, lets say the old fella is holding its own and sex twice a day means 56 times a year. I think I read a recent survey the average couple had sex less than 70 times a year anyway. But remember variety is the spice of life that the couples can generally never have.
So there you go, I reckon I could battle through the dating scene for a year, spend plenty of money, maybe have sex with 3 different women, all relatively un-attractive to me, and soon as I do sleep with them I will get a splitting headache about where the relationship is heading over the next 10 years, why do I have to spend time with my own mates occasionally rather than her, and if I don't give her an immediate sign that the chances are I am looking for marriage and kids, well most likely she will look elswhere pretty quickly anyway.
Then there is the mongering option I described above. Not a difficult choice really..
There are, in my opinion, only 2 valid reasons why a man should want to get married (and stay that way).
1. Because you really, REALLY want to have children. You're going to need a woman, and you're going to want to stick around in order to support your kids and give them the proper family environment. Marriage is the best way to do this.
2. For social appearances. I'm not kidding! A lot of positive things are assumend about a guy when he's married.... people tend to assume that you are stable, mature and responsible. Often, career advancement goes hand in hand with being married.
That's about it. If you don't care to have kids and you're doing allright with your job, there's not a lot of reasons why you'd want to get married. On the other hand, there's a whole list of reasons NOT to, such as the legal/financial risks, emotional stress and loss of personal freedoms.
Ozzie Trader has a pretty good grasp of the big picture. At age 50, he should be experiencing the best years of his life, living at a leisurely pace in some exotic locale while he enjoys quality sex with a variety of attractive women. At that same age, most men are heading into their senior years, having sex once a month with the same middle-aged woman they've been banging for the last 20 years. They will have finally paid off that expensive suburban home and maybe they can retire before they turn 60.
I like Ozzie's plan better. RN says a lot of people are obsessed with money and possessions, but I think they're really more obssessed with lifestyle. The money and other stuff are only indicators, or a means of achieving that lifestyle. Most people like the idea that someday they can live comfortably without having to go to work anymore. It's the same thing with most ISG members except we want to retire, live well..... and get laid, preferably by someone we just met.
Rock
Stinky Pete
06-30-06, 19:47
I have been thinking about the following:
According to post 4272
Originally Posted by George90
I hope EVERYONE knows and fully understands that it is against US law for a US citizen or US permanent resident to travel abroad for the purpose of engaging in prostitution. The law is rarely enforced, so far only for sex with minors. But it is INSANE to have one's coworkers gossiping about your having sex with prostitiutes in Thailand. It WILL get to someone in LE, via a feminist, and you will have to explain a HIGHLY exaggerated story to a detective threatening you with arrest.
My question: can anyone provide a link to a website that discusses specifically the illegality of travelling overseas for paying for sex with non-minors? I have been unable to find discussion on this specific issue, despite my efforts with google (although lots of discussion about the law regarding minors).
I wonder if action in (for example) German FKK clubs really counts as prositution, since technically prositution is sex for money and what goes on in German FKK clubs is an exchange of time for money (with sex thrown in, but no essential; i.e. what the man and woman do with their time is not necessarily part of the financial transaction). I may be splitting hairs and I suppose that a jury would have to decide, if it ever came to that. But money for time in an German FKK club can't be much different from the exchange of money for time with a legitimate American escort, or a legitimate prositute in the counties of Nevada where that is legal.
Anyway, even on internationalsexguide.org I do not find much discussion on the illegality of international mongering (with non-minors) for citizens of the USA. This issue may be very important to some people, and perhaps deserves it's own thread. Am I missing something?
i've got my doubts that anyone is going to get into trouble anytime soon for mongering overseas.
who would press charges? where would they get their evidence, or witnesses? what would be the purpose or benefit of such actions? is there even a precedent for such a case (apart from ****d)?
if they ever did start prosecuting, they'd have to charge at least half of all male us military personel based overseas. imho, not gonna happen anytime soon.
rock
Jelly Donut
06-30-06, 22:27
... it is against US law for a US citizen or US permanent resident to travel abroad for the purpose of engaging in prostitution.I'm not a lawyer. If you check out the US Code it might help. I was looking there and did not find anything explicitly saying an adult can not travel outside the USA for the purpose of having sex with another adult.
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/uscode/search.html
There are parts of the United States where prostitution is legal, so I'm not sure there are federal laws against it.
It is illegal to have sex with a child anywhere under any circumstances, which might be where that quote is coming from...
http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/ceos/trafficking_faqs.html
Sinanju Master
06-30-06, 22:34
that such intereference could negatively impact said country's economy. Also, I'm rather certain that said countries have more immediate and bigger problems to deal with than an issue that generates a wink and a nod from those in authority who may very well engage in the SAME behavior. Monger to your heart's delight!
i've got my doubts that anyone is going to get into trouble anytime soon for mongering overseas.
who would press charges? where would they get their evidence, or witnesses? what would be the purpose or benefit of such actions? is there even a precedent for such a case (apart from ****d)?
if they ever did start prosecuting, they'd have to charge at least half of all male us military personel based overseas. imho, not gonna happen anytime soon.
rockthe department of justice or maybe the department of state would press the charges, and it would get evidence and witnesses from high-and-mighty-for-i-art-holier-than-thou citizens who travel overseas simply to collect such evidence. besides, evidence and witnesses are becoming less and less necessary in our "justice system".
Happy Chappy
07-01-06, 01:28
I apologise in advance if this seems the wrong area for such a post, but it is something I have been curious about and just not sure of the most relevant area to post it.
I see some very regular posters with their experiences and for some it seems as though they are at it full time, what a lifestyle!
Of course this makes me wonder how they do it? Did they build up a fortune early and retire? Were they lucky and inheritied it? Do they have their own business overseas? Do they have some sort of business, maybe online, that they can run from overseas? Do they work for a large multi-national corporation that allows them many business trips?
So if anyone is interested in replying, I am curious to know...
How often you monger o/s? How your employment status allows for this? How old you are? And lastly how you explain your trips to others, for example we all know regular trips to certain parts of the world can be looked upon and judged in a certain way, so do you make up excuses, lie, or just not care about what others think!
For what its worth I work in the finance business, I am 30 y o, being in Australia get the opportunity for 4 weeks holiday a year. At this point the last few years at times I have mongered in various places each time, including some destinations not particularly renowned for this, so have went the tourist sort of angle and not shared my sexual exploits to others. Some trips I have known friends who were expats in the country so have been visiting them. Then there have been a couple of times I said I was travelling somewhere completely different.
Once again if you think this post is more relevant to another area can you tell me where? If not would love to hear some of the backrounds, particularly those who seem to engage in our beloved past time every week of the year! Even if you know about the other well known regulars and how they are at it so often I am intrigued to know.
Cheers
Ozzie Trader,
I don't monger like I used to, where I was going on trips every two months to Latin America. Now, if I ever go on a trip ( I still do one trip every two months, but they range from one day to 7 days, as I only have 3 week vacation for the entire year) On my trips, I tend to hook up with 2 or 3 women, and just do normal touristy stuff - that's all ! Mongering is an expensive addiction !
Why ? I have a woman where I live and one in DR - I'm happy !
If you really want to have an excuse for people who question your trips, just refer them to 2 website - flyertalk.com and airliners.net
On both websites you'll find mileage run addicts (just look it up and you'll see what I'm talking about) and people who make random trips to different parts of the world to meet up with fellow online members ( and perhaps you can also monger on the side).
Some of my close friends know that I hook up with different women frequently, and they mostly envy me ! However, most of the people I know just think I'm living my life by traveling and having fun. If any woman critiziced that I was traveling to another country to get pussy then I'd move on, you don't need that kind of b.tching - seriously!
I apologise in advance if this seems the wrong area for such a post, but it is something I have been curious about and just not sure of the most relevant area to post it.
I see some very regular posters with their experiences and for some it seems as though they are at it full time, what a lifestyle!
Of course this makes me wonder how they do it? Did they build up a fortune early and retire? Were they lucky and inheritied it? Do they have their own business overseas? Do they have some sort of business, maybe online, that they can run from overseas? Do they work for a large multi-national corporation that allows them many business trips?
So if anyone is interested in replying, I am curious to know...
How often you monger o/s? How your employment status allows for this? How old you are? And lastly how you explain your trips to others, for example we all know regular trips to certain parts of the world can be looked upon and judged in a certain way, so do you make up excuses, lie, or just not care about what others think!
For what its worth I work in the finance business, I am 30 y o, being in Australia get the opportunity for 4 weeks holiday a year. At this point the last few years at times I have mongered in various places each time, including some destinations not particularly renowned for this, so have went the tourist sort of angle and not shared my sexual exploits to others. Some trips I have known friends who were expats in the country so have been visiting them. Then there have been a couple of times I said I was travelling somewhere completely different.
Once again if you think this post is more relevant to another area can you tell me where? If not would love to hear some of the backrounds, particularly those who seem to engage in our beloved past time every week of the year! Even if you know about the other well known regulars and how they are at it so often I am intrigued to know.
CheersHow they do it? It takes a lot of money, I not a cheap hobby, have lots of discretionary (extra) income. Hidden from wife!
Did they build up a fortune early and retire? I'm trying to.
Were they lucky and inheritied it? No.
Do they have their own business overseas? Not a good idea.
Do they have some sort of business, maybe online, that they can run from overseas? I'm researching how.
Do they work for a large multi-national corporation that allows them many business trips? I trying for that, its a good way to get it cheaper.
How often you monger o/s? Every 12 weeks
How your employment status allows for this? Vacation time, also three weeks. Best if you own your own business.
How old you are? 41
How you explain your trips to others? Lie, I go to the same place, but say a different destination every time.
Chocha Monger
07-01-06, 07:56
If they ever DID start prosecuting, they'd have to charge at least half of all male US military personel based overseas. IMHO, not gonna happen anytime soon.
Rock
Actually, about a year ago they passed a law making it a crime for military personnel and defense contractors to use the services of prostitutes. The law was drafted after some sensational stories about EE women in Bosnia and Filipinas in Korea being "sold as sex slaves" made it into the US media. Apparently, the brass got tired of soldiers trying to marry these women in order to rescue them and take them back to the US, so they supported the law.
Of course, none of these women ever choose to become *****s. They're all forced or tricked into the business, at least that is what they tell the G.I.s.
I apologise in advance if this seems the wrong area for such a post, but it is something I have been curious about and just not sure of the most relevant area to post it.
I see some very regular posters with their experiences and for some it seems as though they are at it full time, what a lifestyle!
Of course this makes me wonder how they do it? Did they build up a fortune early and retire? Were they lucky and inheritied it? Do they have their own business overseas? Do they have some sort of business, maybe online, that they can run from overseas? Do they work for a large multi-national corporation that allows them many business trips?
So if anyone is interested in replying, I am curious to know...
How often you monger o/s? How your employment status allows for this? How old you are? And lastly how you explain your trips to others, for example we all know regular trips to certain parts of the world can be looked upon and judged in a certain way, so do you make up excuses, lie, or just not care about what others think!
For what its worth I work in the finance business, I am 30 y o, being in Australia get the opportunity for 4 weeks holiday a year. At this point the last few years at times I have mongered in various places each time, including some destinations not particularly renowned for this, so have went the tourist sort of angle and not shared my sexual exploits to others. Some trips I have known friends who were expats in the country so have been visiting them. Then there have been a couple of times I said I was travelling somewhere completely different.
Once again if you think this post is more relevant to another area can you tell me where? If not would love to hear some of the backrounds, particularly those who seem to engage in our beloved past time every week of the year! Even if you know about the other well known regulars and how they are at it so often I am intrigued to know.
CheersHow they do it? Discretionary income. (Wife can't know of)
Did they build up a fortune early and retire? No, but that's my plan
Were they lucky and inheritied it? No
Do they have their own business overseas? No
Do they have some sort of business, maybe online, that they can run from overseas? That's my retirement plan.
Do they work for a large multi-national corporation that allows them many business trips? That's what I'm trying to do.
How often you monger o/s? Every 3 months at least.
How your employment status allows for this? Vacation time, a couple of days ans the weekend.
How old you are? 41
How you explain your trips to others? Lie, alternate cities.
Chocha,
That's just more typical bullshit when you come right down to it. Some un-neccessary, intrusive, interfering law gets supported. Because it's the right thing? Nope, because they (military) had ulterior motives. More hypocrisy.
Also, very interesting to note the source of the problem.... too many guys falling in love with so-called "sex-slaves"! Because they want to rescue them.... or maybe because they found there was something about these girls that they really liked? Something about them that was better than what they were used to back home.
Rock
There comes a point when traveling educates yourself about yourself and the culture you come from and you see other possiblities.Its the same sort of reasoning that immigrants who flee to other countries aquire.Once you see the big picture you cant possibly be satisfied with staying in the same position when you know there is something better out there for you.Its called the will to live and once you give up on that you give up on yourself and you are in acceptance of your limitations.
How do people get to travel all the time? I consider myself lucky.My downfalls in my life has given rise to new opportunities.I settled a discrimination lawsuit a few years ago which was ruining my life here in the states.I didnt ask for it .It just happened. Im also a real cheapskate here in nyc.I cook all my meals at home and I dont waste $ on stupid things.I must admit I put myself in an uncomfortable situation while I am here but I know in a little time I will be living it up somewhere foreign getting double the bang for my buck so it evens out.Here I focus on my work and my travel plans and my future.I look at it as a commitment to my future and the work I need to do to get ahead.I havent found my country yet but I'm looking and because of this Ive opened up my own doors that I would not be able to do here.Its university all over again but with better perks once I graduate.
How they do it? It takes a lot of money, but I work my ass off in the US and make a six figure income due to working overtime, working as a charge nurse, and having holiday, weekend and night differentials. Plus it helps that I'm single and don't have any children.
Did they build up a fortune early and retire? I'm trying to, hopefully will be able to retire overseas in my mid 50s.
Were they lucky and inherited it? No.
Do they have their own business overseas? No.
Do they have some sort of business, maybe online, that they can run from overseas? No.
Do they work for a large multi-national corporation that allows them many business trips? No.
How often you monger overseas? Monthly to every other month
How your employment status allows for this? As a registered nurse, one only has to work 3 days per week, so I can go mongering every other week if I want to, provided that I work 6 days in a row. However, I choose to work overtime and get paid beaucoup money which I save to go overseas. If I were to work as a registry nurse, I can choose whenever I work. I'll probably do this sometime in the future, but I hate commuting to different hospitals right now.
How old are you? Late 20s
How do you explain your trips to others? I tell my colleagues that travelling is my hobby, which it is, although not all of it, LOL.
My question: can anyone provide a link to a website that discusses specifically the illegality of travelling overseas for paying for sex with non-minors? I have been unable to find discussion on this specific issue, despite my efforts with google (although lots of discussion about the law regarding minors).
I am going to look for a specific quote. I looked into this when I first started mongering in the early 90s. What I remember reading at that time was that it is in general illegal to travel abroad to *specifically* do something that is illegal in the US, such as engage in prostitution. Another recent application is going to Canada or Europe to get prescription drugs that are unavailable in the US, such as RU486 before it was authorized by the FDA. I believe the law was passed in response to people in Miami going to pre-Castro Cuba *JUST* to gamble and use prostitutes, and people along the Mexico border going to Tijuana etc. for the sex and other fun.
Sinanju Master
07-03-06, 21:45
I am going to look for a specific quote. I looked into this when I first started mongering in the early 90s. What I remember reading at that time was that it is in general illegal to travel abroad to *specifically* do something that is illegal in the US, such as engage in prostitution. Another recent application is going to Canada or Europe to get prescription drugs that are unavailable in the US, such as RU486 before it was authorized by the FDA. I believe the law was passed in response to people in Miami going to pre-Castro Cuba *JUST* to gamble and use prostitutes, and people along the Mexico border going to Tijuana etc. for the sex and other fun.
What about people who go to Amsterdam to smoke weed in the smoke houses? I'm sure there is a lot of other similar behavior that is outlawed in the US that is tolerated in other countries and is not acted upon in a detrimental manner. IF such conditions exist, I'd be happy to hear about it from anyone in order to watch my ass when need be. Thanx in advance...
My question to all of this:
Why are we bound to US sex prison laws when outside the US? Its ridiculous!! All of us in this board would be criminals.
What about people who go to Amsterdam to smoke weed in the smoke houses? I'm sure there is a lot of other similar behavior that is outlawed in the US that is tolerated in other countries and is not acted upon in a detrimental manner. IF such conditions exist, I'd be happy to hear about it from anyone in order to watch my ass when need be. Thanx in advance...
uummmmmm if there is a law of this nature on the books, it sounds unenforceable (over "exclusively for") and would probably be struck down unconstitutional if they ever tried to prosecute on it.......just my uninformed opinion.........some rules are in place just so for the purpose of having them and maybe putting in a "chilling effect".
B9k
Sinanju Master
07-04-06, 22:38
I casually glanced at some reports on other boards just to get a feel for come countries and it gave me pause. Many posters report that native citizens from other countries complain about the native women living in their country (names of specific countries are unimportant) as WE do about AW's. I didn't want to admit it before, BUT the common denominator to ALL this may be the saying: "Familiarity breeds contempt". A taste for the exotic may be the overwhelming cause that fuels our urge to take flight to other shores. However, I still won't renounce my posts about my observations of AW's. I'll just put them into perspective, step back and look at the bigger picture.
Chocha Monger
07-05-06, 02:30
Sinanju,
It is true that women from all over the world have the same basic thinking when it comes to men; that is they're good to have around to provide financial resources, protection and manual labor. The difference from country to country is just how much women can get away with, whether the laws allow them to get away with it and the degree to with they use sex to get what they want from men.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,201755,00.html
Thats why I dont understand the GFE experiences that guys go after from pfp .Unless its got added advantages like shes a good tour guide or you get freebies (but is it really a freebie). When I first began going overseas I was smitten with the attention I got then you put everything into perspective and it still boils down to its the same shit but your just a little higher up in the food chain but now that I know this it comes back to where and when will you find the real deal?At least I now have a better idea of how to kill time in between.
all of them are difficult to deal with to some degree at some point or another....having to cope with them is just part of being male.....and of course they as a gender also have plenty to complain about with us....i personally don't pick up after myself very well.......some degree of friction is natural and inevitable
that being said, we here in the us have the unique pleasure of having women that are the biggest complainers while having the very least to complain about. they cannot be beaten or raped with impunity (obviously i'm not advocating this-making a comparison to historical contest, and current rough situations for women), have in the opinion of some, "superior" rights, have a social structure that is designed to insulate them from paying heavy consequences for bad decisions, and have men that are for the most part turned into sissyfied workhorses (i'm speaking primarily of the middle class incidently).......all of this, and a good number of our women still believe they are opressed, downtrodden and put upon....
b9k
Rubber Nursey
07-05-06, 13:33
Now, definitive proof of what I've been saying all along - that West Aussie women are hornier than any other women in the country!!
http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21498,19683361-2761,00.html
**Today's orgasm tally for the 8 hours from 7am to 3pm - Him:4, Me:3. (He managed to get one up on me thanks to a 'Highway Special' on the way back from grocery shopping). So for the record, I am not one of the 28% of women in my age group suffering a 'sexual drought'. :)
Does anyone know of a similar study on American women?
Does anyone know of a similar study on American women?
LOL.......If we're lucky, maybe twice a year.
Bart9K,
You speak of the eternal tension between men and women. It has existed since time began. Men have always sought to spread their genes far and wide with as many women as possible. On the other hand, women have always sought a mate who would stick around to help care of her offspring... thereby increasing the chances of their survival. Let's skip the rest of the evolution lecture and get to the good stuff.
Men want it. They want it often and (I can attest to this) they absolutely THRIVE on variety. Women are, by nature, opposed to this. The last thing they want is to give it up for some guy who's going to bugger off on them the second he gets bored.... which can happen after a year, a month, a week or even a couple of days. Let's face it, most of us here have that exact goal in mind when we meet the average woman. They know it and we try to convince them otherwise.
Here's the big problem.... the balance has been lost. Things have tipped quite a fair ways towards the female side when it comes to getting laid. There's probably a lot of reasons why, but that's how things are. Sure there's exceptions..... if you're one of the lucky few men at the top of the food chain, pussy is always available. But those guys are the exception. What's the rule? Decent looking guys dating chubby/fat chicks for 2 or 3 months hoping to eventually get laid!
It would be a lot better of there were domestically available, legalized alternatives. Something along the lines of the FKK clubs or the Brazilian termas. Something that DIDN'T cost 500 bucks a pop.
Things could be even better than that if we as men got together and stopped going along with all this PC bullshit, if we stopped getting married and started keeping our money to ourselves.
It all comes down to bargaining. Women want us to take care of them and support them. We like their company and we want to get laid. All this talk of being oppressed, downtrodden and put upon just sounds like a bargaining tactic to me.
Rock
Rubber Nursey
07-06-06, 03:04
Men have always sought to spread their genes far and wide with as many women as possible. On the other hand, women have always sought a mate who would stick around to help care of her offspring... thereby increasing the chances of their survival.
...Men want it. They want it often and (I can attest to this) they absolutely THRIVE on variety. Women are, by nature, opposed to this. The last thing they want is to give it up for some guy who's going to bugger off on them the second he gets bored.... which can happen after a year, a month, a week or even a couple of days. Let's face it, most of us here have that exact goal in mind when we meet the average woman. They know it and we try to convince them otherwise.
Rock (and others) can I ask...what is your opinion on WOMEN who crave variety? Would you be satisfied in a relationship where you BOTH indulged in extra-marital sex? According to most of you guys, it's in a man's 'nature' to want frequent sex with lots of different women - what if that same compulsion is part of your WOMAN'S nature? Does she have the same freedoms that you expect to have in a relationship? Do you allow her to visit hookers or go out looking for a bit of strange, even if your sex life at home is satisfying, on the basis that SHE needs variety to 'thrive'?
PS. By using the 'nature' argument, you're not only excusing men for their womanising ways, but you're also excusing women for all the things that you guys so often accuse us of. Women are genetically programmed to find the best looking and most powerful lion in the pack, ensuring her offspring will not only be strong and healthy, but will also be protected and provided for as they grow up. Survival of the fittest. It's a wee bit hypocritical to assert that men should be allowed to sow their wild oats because it's in their genes - but at the same time condemn women for only sleeping with guys who have good looks and/or money.
Sinanju Master
07-06-06, 03:30
if the two of us were seeing each other on a "fuck-buddy" basis (no powerful emotional attachments) and she didn't expect me to support a lifestyle that she would LIKE to be accustomed to (lots of jewelry and clothes and shoes, etc) I'd have no problem with her seeing other people. I'd ride it for as long as it lasts (YES, pun intended! LOL). In that situation, the two of us wouldn't demand a commitment from the other while secretly abrogating our agreement in order to have our cake and eat it too. HOWEVER, if we were in a monogamous relationship (the two of us agreeing to see NO ONE ELSE) and she fucks around after I give a part of my soul to her and she's enjoying my attention and gifts every now and then IN ADDITION to sampling sausage OUTSIDE the relationship, I'd walk through Hell wearing gasoline underwear in order to get the chance to make her life a living Hell on earth. So, Doll, in answer to your question, it depends, but, since you know me better than any poster here, you KNOW I'd go about it fairly. By that, I mean there would be no double standard.
Chocha Monger
07-06-06, 06:47
Has anyone here dabbled in ecommerce as a means of earning a living in the US, while living or spending a considerable amount of time enjoying the pleasures of warmer climes? This could possibly be the answer to escaping AWs without having to go tribal.
I've been endeavoring up that way.........yet to earn dime one after a somewhat healthy investment, but I have hopes that a reasonably healthy five figure check is on it's way.....as well as possibly one or two others, probably in the low five figure range.
My first goal is to quit my little shit job to concentrate on doing this full time.........
B9k
Chocha Monger
07-07-06, 01:10
Bart,
If you can make it work successfully, you'll have the option of being in your own "mansion" banging vixens thousands of miles from the old sex prison and still earning green. It can be a means of earning your cake and eating it too, and the extra toppings would certainly be a bonus. Showing up with a brief case of money and bribing the local mayor and police chief at your chosen destination is not an option for the average guy, so we have to come up with workable alternatives if you don't have a skill in high demand at your intended destination that actually pays a living wage.
Streetlooker
07-07-06, 19:51
Hello everyone,
Just thought I write a piece to contrubute. I have been single for 10 yrs and never really ever dated any other women here in the US cause of all the various things discussed on this part of the forum. I monger in thailand and the Phils mostly with future trips always in the works The other day while getting my car repaired I was in the waiting room and a show called divorce court was on. In this case it was a dispute between a women that was married NINE TIMES. WOW 9 times are you kidding me? Now this women had a teenage girl who had to grow up in a home with men coming in and out of it like a Brothel. The Judge was a female of course and guess what. The whole show the women got to bash the guy accusing him of all sorts of things Like cheating, abusing her child, borrowing money from her kids savings account to buy a truck and over all being a lazy bum without a Job. During the very brief time He was allowed to speak (I say it was 2 minutes for him and 25 minutes for her)He produced payroll stubs that had proven he had been working for the last 5 years, but just recently got layed off Hotel room purchases on there joint CC account that he never recalled going to. Said he didn't know she was married 8 times before him.(THIS was his 2nd marriage) and overall gave the impression he was trying very hard to help out her kid with some disiplinary rules (CURFEWS and the Like)that her mother never got around to inforcing ect ect. Well anyways The women continued to bash this guy merciless till finally at the end the Judge orderd him to pay her for the money she borrowed from the kids saveings account to buy him a car to get to work in. What up with that crap LOL. I Thought to myself THANK GOODNESS I done with these american money grubbing women forever and I am now totally commited to booking a trip to Thailand very soon.
Thanks for letting me get this off my mind Its and SEE you in Pattaya guys.
I happened to be reading somewhere that the president is not by nature a reader....he basically tends to rely on those around him to become informed on issues, and then while they are making their cases to him, he instinctually judges on their level of CONFIDENCE AND SELF ASSUREDNESS how correct the information and opinions that they are feeding him are, and acts accordingly. Right off the bat, I can see one major problem with this tactic......there are two major groups of people who just REEK of confidence and self asurance-IDIOTS (who lack the capacity to entertain the possibility that their take on a situation may be incorrect, or realize that other points of view may have validity) and FANATICS (frequently one in the same, but more prone towards choosing to dismiss information not in tune with their worldview).
Moving back on topic a bit, there are a tremendous number of romance novels sold in the US....the genre is huge. Per the Romance Writers of America website (www.rwanational.com): "More than 2,000 romance titles are released every year, and the genre generates more than half (55%) of all paperback fiction sales in America." That's a pretty big piece of the pie. There's got to be a reason for that.......asserted by an author "we have over 50 million readers and romance novels are 35.6% of all popular fiction sold in North America (more stats. available at http://www.rwanational.org/statistics.stm)." Per http://www.storyforu.com/stats.htm, 93 % of romance novels are read by women (presumably the rest are gay men:) ). That this market exists, makes a statement about our women;
The following is an examination of themes prevalent in those novels (http://thediagram.com/2_5/romancethemes.html):
"Two basic elements comprise every romance novel: a central love story and an emotionally satisfying and optimistic ending.
* A Central Love Story—In a romance, the main plot concerns two people falling in love and struggling to make the relationship work. The conflict in the book centers on the love story. The climax in the book resolves the love story. A writer is welcome to as many subplots as she likes as long as the relationship conflict is the main story.
* An Emotionally Satisfying and Optimistic Ending—Romance novels end in a way that makes the reader feel good. Romance novels are based on the idea of an innate emotional justice—the notion that good people in the world are rewarded and evil people are punished. In a romance, the lovers who risk and struggle for each other and their relationship are rewarded with emotional justice and unconditional love.
Once the central love story and optimistic-ending criteria are met, a romance novel can be set anywhere and involve any number of plot elements. These settings and distinctions of plot create specific sub-genres within romance fiction."
It can be reasonably inferred from the above stated, that what our women WANT (and probably lie in bed fantasizing about) is a "struggle with a happy ending". This assertion goes a LONG way towards explaining AW behavior. Let me put it this way....in entering into a relationship with a 'boring nice guy', like say myself, there aren't so many obstacles that must be overcome, like dealing with my violent and abusive nature (got a temper, but generally keep it under control-realize that being driven by emotion is for losers), my substance abuse problems (never big in the drugs, and can't take the hangovers anymore), financial chaos (at present I don't make a lot of money, but habitually stay employed, and live comfortably), and having to fend off innumerable competing females to win my love (while not completely socially inept, and not too unpleasant to look at, I am far from the pretty boy or smooth talker that would cause masses of young AW to swoon).........unfortunately, real life isn't like romantic fiction with that cad safely tamed by the love of a good woman...............
To be fair, the same books sell very well internationally, from Scandanavia to Japan, which tends to indicate that ALL women want these things. The difference however is the underlying cultural message that has been broadcast to women in this country that they can have any and all things that they desire simply by virtue of owning a vagina. I can't help but think that women in Eastern Europe, South America, and the poorer countries of Asia are just a bit more realistic.
B9k
Streetlooker
07-08-06, 08:02
I wonder what all these BUSH BASHERS will do with themselves in 2 1/2yrs when he is no longer the president. The guy can't win.
RN, since you asked...."what is your opinion on WOMEN who crave variety?"
It's the same thing as for the men who crave variety. At some primal level, women want to get the best DNA for their offspring.
This often adds up to the following:
1. Screw around with whoever you fancy while you're young. Then "settle down" with a nice guy who will stick around to support you. You get the alpha male DNA for your first children. Nice guy gets the reward of sex in return for taking care of them.
2. Settle down first, then screw around secretly. This way the woman is assured of support for her offspring without being limited in the variety of genetic contributors. It happens quite a bit too. We've covered this ground extensively several months ago. Stats indicate that btw. 2 and 10% of guys have children that, unknown to them, were fathered by someone else.
So, women seeking variety fits in with my theory quite well..... and is no surprise at all. This theory goes a long way towards explaining the so-called Badboy phenomenon.
To answer your other question " Would you be satisfied in a relationship where you BOTH indulged in extra-marital sex?" the answer is YES, with two provisions. First, we both follow the strictest precautions regarding safe-sex with any extramarital activity. Second, Don't go having kids with (or by) anyone else. That would be a fair deal. I have my fun and she has hers.
I think it would be nice if guys could go out and enjoy the variety that most of us crave. I also think that if more women would be honest with themselves and do the same thing, everybody could get laid a whole lot more often.
In fact, there was one time when I found out that a girlfriend(long-term) had been with another guy while we were going out. I was pissed off briefly, but chose not to say anything about it. What I DID do was to keep that bit of info in my back pocket. That way if I wanted to have a little fun of my own, she couldn't give me crap for doing the same thing she did.
That's the main problem.... people are selfish in most things and especially so when it comes to sex. Men want to get it on with multiple partners while expecting the woman to be 100% faithful. Women like to sneak around fulfilling their fantasies while trying to maintain a "Nice-girl" image. Fucking isn't what fucks things up.... it's the selfishness and jealousy that goes along with it.
Rock
I wonder what all these BUSH BASHERS will do with themselves in 2 1/2yrs when he is no longer the president. The guy can't win.
Don't worry, we will be feeling the effects of his presidency LOOOONNNNNGGGG after it is over- one US dollar used to buy about 50 Czech Koruna....now it buys 22 (want to live abroad, but get paid or have wealth in dollars-it's now twice as hard)....six years ago, a Euro was about 80% of a dollar, now it is now about 125%. Energy prices have more than doubled , the national debt has skyrocketed (you realize that WE get to pay for that don't you...at least those of us not smart enough to get out), , BILLIONS of dollars have been transferred (through taxation) to the military industrial complex through the war effort, Saudi's and other energy producers (through high energy prices-"Oh my, we seem to have disabled Iraq, a major oil producer-what a coincidence"), and other prick friends of "dubya" through tax cuts......I suppose that it was just an accident how things worked out that way.
Regarding the variety issue, once someone-note gender neutrality- decides to ride on another person's dime, their WANTS get subordinated. If they don't desire to have their wants subordinated, they shouldn't enter into an arangement whereby someone else is subsidizing their lifestyle.
Conversely (yes this is treading on hypocrasy), the breadwinner in my opinion does have a little more lattitude, although they should not do anything that seriously jepordizes their ability to underwite the other parties lifestyle (like produce children with other partners).
b9k
Women who travel for sex: Sun, sea and gigolos
The men are young, gorgeous and up for it. No wonder Western women see a Third World holiday as the gateway to casual sex - sometimes in exchange for cash. But as a new film highlights female sex tourism, Liz Hoggard asks who really pays the price
Published: 09 July 2006
An attractive woman sips a cocktail under a bamboo shade. The sand is dazzlingly white, the sea aquamarine. A handsome young man approaches her and showers her with compliments: she is the most beautiful woman he has ever seen, he says. For the first time in years, she truly believes she is desirable.
But this holiday romance is not all it seems. The woman is white, in her late 50s; the man, black, 18 - and paid for his attentions. The scene - from the controversial new French film, Heading South, which opened this weekend, starring Charlotte Rampling, makes us confront uncomfortable truths about sexuality in a globalised world, and the legacy of colonialism.
In the film, an intelligent, provocative take on sex tourism in the late-1970s, Rampling plays Ellen, an American professor, who spends every summer at a private resort in Haiti, where beautiful, muscled black boys are available to the female clientele, mostly affluent single women in their forties, who despair of finding mates through more conventional means. "More than sex, they are seeking a tenderness that the world is refusing them," the film's director, Laurence Cantet, explains.
Fast-forward 30 years, and the reality of sex tourism is anything but tender. Today beach resorts in developing countries such as Kuta in Bali, Negril in Jamaica and Boca Chica and Sosua in the Dominican Republic have become Third World pick-up spots for women tourists. Tour companies even market package deals as sex holidays for single and unaccompanied women. Forget Shirley Valentine, these women - who range from grandmothers to teens - don't want a long-term relationship. And there's plenty of live flesh on sale.
Take Jamaica, where 17 per cent of the population lives below the poverty line. Hustling on the beach is the only way that some young men can feed themselves and their families. No wonder they choose older women who pay better than younger ones. InNegril, the men can earn $100 (£60) for sex with a female tourist, £90 for oral sex, which Jamaican men usually regard as taboo. Many others are hired as a guide to the island and throw in sexual services, often just for as meal or a place to sleep.
The definition of a sex tourist is an adult who travels in order to have legal consensual sexual relations with another adult, often for the exchange of money or presents. We still assume that a sex tourist will be male - indeed many regard the relationship between beach boy and female tourist as harmless fun. The woman gets guilt-free sex while keeping a firm hold on the purse strings. Where's the harm?
Jane, 67, a divorcee, has spent the past 10 years holidaying in West Africa. She loves the climate and the people - and she especially loves the men. "They are so wonderfully flattering. They make you feel like a real women. I don't mind paying for their drinks and meals if they stay the night." Divorced, with two grown-up sons, she explains, "White men my own age are so set in their ways; they just want another wife."
For others, this is exploitation pure and simple. Even where no money is exchanged, this sort of behaviour destabilises local communities and families. Ignorance and lack of concern about the abject poverty and lack of choice that characterises the men's lives leads the women to romanticise their actions. It is true that women sex tourists are still outnumbered by the legions of men who travel to Thailand and the Philippines for sex with prostitutes. Charities such as Amnesty and Unicef have no official policy on female sex tourism, preferring to focus on protecting trafficked women and children. Chris Beddoe, director of Ecpat UK, the children's rights organisation that campaigns against child sex tourism, believes: "If both adult partners are open and honest about what they're getting out of it, that's one thing. But it's another thing to continue the fantasy when there's a denial of the power that money brings to that relationship that creates a culture of dependency and exploitation.'
Nirpal Dhaliwal, author of the recent novel, Tourism (which satirises older white women turned on by young brown flesh), takes a tougher view. "Women enjoy casual sex and prostitution, too, but with far more hypocrisy. They help themselves to men in the developing world, kidding themselves that it's a 'holiday romance' that has nothing to do with the money they spend. Go to any Jamaican beach and you'll find handsome 'rent-a-dreads', who get by servicing Western women - lots from Britain. I've seen similar things in Goa."
Next month a new play, Sugar Mummies, about the pleasures and perils of sex tourism opens at London's Royal Court Theatre. Set in the Jamaican beach resort of Negril, it centres on a group of British and American women, seeking sun sea, sand ... and uninhibited sex with a handsome stranger. Sexually frank and often very funny, the play doesn't pull its punches. The playwright, Tanika Gupta, travelled to Jamaica to research the subject first-hand, and says she was shocked to find how female tourists objectify the black male body. "A lot of women talk about how 'big' black men are and how they can go all night. It becomes such a myth that even the men now use it. There is this terrible mutual delusion going on. And you do find yourself thinking, 'We're not a million miles from slavery.'" The older female tourists even confided to Gupta that although Jamaica was lovely and laid-back, the Dominican Republic and Cuba were "dirt cheap". "You can go as young as you want in Cuba," one woman boasted.
For all the talk of romance, the language of sex tourism is pretty basic. In Jamaica the men are called "beach boys" or "Rastatutes". The women are called milk bottles by the men - partly because of their ultra-white skin, partly because they are seen as vessels waiting to be filled.
Another myth the play explodes is that sex tourism is only perpetrated by white women. In Jamaica, Gupta met many black American women hiring beach boys. "They might be going back to their roots, or feeling more powerful because they had money, but they were still buying the same services."
In Bali, South-east Asia, Beddoes encountered wealthy Japanese women paying local boys for sex. The boys themselves claimed they found it less degrading because they saw the Japanese women as smaller and more childlike.
Gupta was inspired to write Sugar Mummies after reading the research by UK sociologists, Jacqueline Sanchez Taylor and Julia O'Connell into female sex tourism in the Caribbean. They decided to carry out their own research when they found that the usual analysis of sex tourism does not consider women as buyers of sexual services, because prostitute-users is seen as, by definition, male.
They interviewed 240 women holidaying in Negril, and two similar resorts in the Dominican Republic. Almost a third said they had engaged in sexual relationships with local men. Though 60 per cent admitted to certain "economic elements" to their liaisons, they did not perceive their sexual encounters as a prostitute-client transaction. Instead they insisted they were helping the men, and the local economy, by giving them money and gifts. When asked to describe "boyfriends", most emphasised how for them black Jamaican men possessed bodies of great sexual value. One 42 year-old English woman who travelled at least three times a year to Boca Chica in the Dominican Republic said: "I'm not naïve. I've been around the block. I come for sex - of course the sun, but mostly the sex. I'm not coming to live and set up house with a guy. I just want some fun and good sex."
"Female sex tourism is much more informal," says Sanchez Taylor, a lecturer in sociology at Leeds University. "It takes place in bars. There's no way for women to go into a brothel and say, 'I want a blow job.'
"Women who feel rejected by men in the West for being fatter and older -you know, 35, but they look 40 - find that in Jamaica all this is reversed," says Sanchez Taylor.
"There's a poetic lyricism to the gigolo's chat-up lines," agrees Gupta. "You very quickly understand why the women are buying this. On the first day, this baby aged 18 came to chat me up. At first I thought, this will be good for my play. But then he got a bit fast, so I suggested he move on to some younger women, And he said, 'Me no want the kitten, me want the cat.'"
The problem comes, she says, when the women start believing the men they have hooked up with are in love with them. "They confuse what is actually a financial transaction with real love. If you have low self-esteem, if you've not had much luck, if you're older ... you are likely to be more susceptible," says Gupta.
Some women even marry their boyfriends and take them home to the UK, although few relationships survive the cultural difference. Jamica's most famous holiday romance has recently come crashing down. Female tourism boomed after Terry McMillan's hit novel, How Stella Got Her Groove Back was made into a Hollywood film. The novel, in which Stella, a divorced black woman in her forties, takes a holiday to Jamaica, where she meets and falls in love with Winston, a local man half her age - was a fictionalised account of McMillan's own marriage to Jeremy Plummer, 23 years her junior. This year, McMillan, 53, filed for divorce, claiming that the marriage was based on a "fraud'' because Plummer lied about his sexual orientation and married her only to gain US citizenship. He denies it.
It is a nasty twist that the countries where this sort of tourism is most rife are ex-slave colonies. Many are still dealing with the fallout of colonialism. All the hotels, restaurants, cars and glass-bottomed boats in Negril are owned by Americans. The urban economy doesn't even belong to the local people.
Yet the women who sleep with the beach boys insist they are helping race relations. They flatter themselves they have gone native. "In my play there's a scene where a white woman is taking about how she loves R&B and reggae and what she calls hip and hop," says Gupta.
It is the female tourist who books the flights and determines the length of time she will spend with their boyfriend, as well as making day-to-day decisions when they are together, such as when and where they eat. One 21-year-old migrant from Haiti who had been working in Sosua, told Sanchez Taylor that he even had to "snog" his tourist client despite a bad toothache and a swollen face. If he did not, he would not be able to afford the antibiotics to cure it.
In Sugar Mummies, Gupta deliberately allows herself one relationship that might just work. "I'm not saying anything about mixed race relationships, I'm talking about these specific kinds of sex-tourist relationships where women go out there specifically to have sex. It will probably backfire and a whole load more women will go off to Jamaica."
'Sugar Mummies' opens at the Royal Court, London SW1 on 5 August (020-7565 5000)
For all the talk of romance, the language of sex tourism is pretty basic. The women are called milk bottles by the men - partly because of their ultra-white skin, partly because they are seen as vessels waiting to be filled.
Did anyone else here, after reading this, feel physically ill? I don't know about you guys, but I think I'm going to be hunched over my toilet for the next few hours dry heaving! Thanks a lot, Astor, lol.
Sinanju Master
07-09-06, 17:45
Helping race relations? Helping out the economic situation of a pleasant young man that an older woman fancies? What I find INSULTING is that these broads BELIEVE their own bullshit and get an industrial strength ATTITUDE if you expose it for what it is: engaging in the same behavior for which they bash men about. I guess my BIGGEST issue with AW's (or maybe I should say WESTERNIZED women) is HYPOCRISY.
PanamaJack
07-10-06, 06:09
Anyboby ever watch BRIDEZILLA, my god I hope thats not a real depiction of how aw behave.......every young guy should be made to watch that show, increadable stuff, thats some scary sh!t.
Chocha Monger
07-10-06, 07:55
Did you guys know that Paypal, 2Checkout and several other online credit card processing services have stopped doing business with adult content/product vendors? Apparently, money is now being used to enforce morality in America. The day that we move to a cashless society would be the end of freedom; just think about it, if the government or "moral" majority didn't want you to buy condoms or risque items they could pressure the credit card processors to decline purchases of such items.
Eventually, they could cut off payment for travel to certain sex destinations like Thailand unless you could prove the need to go there on business. Sounds crazy? Try paying for adult oriented material with Paypal and you'll see that it's not so far-fetched.
One Wing Low
07-10-06, 09:57
...probably want BFE with multiple positions and multiple orgasms before they let you pay for porn with Paypal....
Did you guys know that Paypal, 2Checkout and several other online credit card processing services have stopped doing business with adult content/product vendors? Apparently, money is now being used to enforce morality in America. The day that we move to a cashless society would be the end of freedom; just think about it, if the government or "moral" majority didn't want you to buy condoms or risque items they could pressure the credit card processors to decline purchases of such items.
Eventually, they could cut off payment for travel to certain sex destinations like Thailand unless you could prove the need to go there on business. Sounds crazy? Try paying for adult oriented material with Paypal and you'll see that it's not so far-fetched.
Sukhumvitter
07-10-06, 10:17
An interesting article about female sex tourists:
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article1168172.ece
Bridezilla is all too real. I used to play music for weddings. The younger they were the worse. They've been planning their wedding since age five, and if every detail is not precisely as they envisioned it, they throw a fit. I've had them micromanage me, calling me every day for the two months leading up to it, even though on the day they probably won't hear one note of my music. On various court tv shows such as People's Court, they sue the dj/caterer/musician/cake maker if something is not absolutely perfect. Not only do they want a refund of what they paid that specific vendor, they want vendor to pay for the ENTIRE wedding, because the whole affair was "ruined".
Chocha Monger
07-10-06, 18:49
One Wing Low:
Hmm... there might actually be some good money in servicing those old dusty hags. Perhaps, American young men should reconsider spending tens of thousands of dollars to go to college when they can make a lucrative living servicing dusty rugs who've already cleaned out one or two ex-husbands. All they need is a signed disclaimer to indemnify them against osteoporotic bones that may fracture during multiple position BFE.
Regards,
CM ;)
is kind of interesting. I believe that they are a subsidiary of Ebay, who last time I checked does deal in adult items.....
According to this link, the ban is on "intangible items", including those of a sexual nature.
http://www.boingboing.net/2003/04/30/paypal_to_stop_offer.html
I could be mistaken, but it sounds like this is a business decision, choosing to not help in the dissemination of intangible items that can be easily copied and "returned" or otherwise have payment denied, as opposed to kowtowing to puritanical biddies and bible fucks.
B9k
ps Regarding being cut off from sex tourism destinations, just remember where there is a will, there is a way....lots of American go to Cuba every year.....at very worst, you could fly to someplace "innocent", and then buy a ticket from there......the credit card companies I believe are all multi national, so i don't think that laws in the US would prohibit buyin a ticket to Singapore from Kyoto or whatever
DJ FourMoney
07-11-06, 03:42
Bridezilla is all too real. I used to play music for weddings. The younger they were the worse. They've been planning their wedding since age five, and if every detail is not precisely as they envisioned it, they throw a fit. I've had them micromanage me, calling me every day for the two months leading up to it, even though on the day they probably won't hear one note of my music. On various court tv shows such as People's Court, they sue the dj/caterer/musician/cake maker if something is not absolutely perfect. Not only do they want a refund of what they paid that specific vendor, they want vendor to pay for the ENTIRE wedding, because the whole affair was "ruined".
I stop doing weddings when my nights at some Hollywood hotspots increased and I would NEVER go back. I hate the micomanaging!
Yeah its real, some hookas are straight crazy and the guys deserve them, because they want to be bossed around. I don't feel sorry for them ONE BIT.
Que Ladilla
07-11-06, 19:43
In response to the Independent article on female mongering, I haven’t seen “Heading South”, but it's gotten great reviews. Would a movie about male mongering fall on such sympathetic ears?
I've observed a great deal of female mongering during many visits to Negril. There, I’ve had the great pleasure of witnessing the shock and indignation of numerous young, attractive American twats as they realized that they were either going to have to hunt for free action, settle for undesirables, or open their wallets. The older gals know how to play the game.
Treasure Beach on the south coast exclusively featured female mongering as of my last visit.
women: the best troops around
take all american women who are within five years of menopause. train them for a few weeks, outfit them with automatic weapons, grenades, gas masks, moisturizer with spf15, prozac, hormones, chocolate, and canned tuna - drop them (parachuted, preferably) across the landscape of iraq, and let them do what comes naturally.
think about it. their anger quotient alone, even when doing standard stuff like grocery shopping and paying bills, is formidable enough to make even armed men in turbans tremble.
they've had their children, they would gladly suffer or die to protect them and their future.
they'd like to get away from their husbands, if they haven't left already. and for those of them who are single, the prospect of finding a good man with whom to share life is about as likely as being struck by lightning. they have nothing to lose.
they've survived the water diet, the protein diet, the carbohydrate diet, and the grapefruit diet in gyms and saunas across america and never lost a pound. they can easily survive months in the hostile terrain of iraq with no food at all!
they've spent years tracking down their husbands or lovers in bars, hardware stores, or sporting events...finding bin laden in some cave will be no problem.
uniting all the warring tribes of iraq in a new government? oh, please ... they've planned the seating arrangements for in-laws and extended families at thanksgiving dinners for years ... they understand tribal warfare.
between them, they've divorced enough husbands to know every trick there is for how they hide, launder, or cover up bank accounts and money sources. they know how to find that money and they know how to seize it ... with or without the government's help!
let them go and fight. imagine their terror as they crawl like ants with hot-flashes over their godforsaken terrain.
i'm going to write my congresswoman. you should, too!
Geeshhhhh........what kind of monsters have we created. I saw this post on craigslist and thought one of you guys with alot of $$$$ to throw away might be interested.
Help our daddy cut us off!!! - w4m - 28
If you are a man of enormous wealth, who likes the playboy lingerie type, and are willing to adopt two abandoned playmates then look no further you are in the right place! We had a dad but he went astray, or broke...we're still scratching our heads about that. Anyway we miss him, and wish he would return....but maybe he found some cheaper pets....(damn dogs!) Regardless it is what it is, and we have already been ruined, and can't even fathom a life of mediocrity, so if you are looking to spice up your portfolio, and need a couple of big losses to claim...we can help you with that. We are looking to be your charity! A little about us, two vivascious sexpots, wild, adventurous, and very easy on the eyes. We are looking for the exclusive hugh hefner type, that is used to accomodating large requests without the bat of a lash. If you find yourself counting more money than friends.....we are right up your alley.
We will send pics upon request.
See you soon!
The Babes
Sinanju Master
07-15-06, 15:29
AB, I couldn't have said it better myself! That is the PERFECT example of an AW wanting something for NOTHING! I would bet a year's salary that they would express indignation that they could be equated to leeches!
Those are nothing more than a couple of hookers. Extra-high price and maybe really good looking, but still hookers.
Rock
Chocha Monger
07-15-06, 19:23
Those two AW vultures are seriously delirious. Their previous sponsor obviously figured out what a raw deal he was getting and fled before he loss the shirt off his back, perhaps he discovered ISG and international mongering. Still, you'd be amazed at the number of guys who actually subsidize these *****s' lifestyle.
Anyway, in a few more years they'll have to get jobs, marry a sucker or work the streets because very few thirty plus American *****s are easy on the eyes.
Sinanju Master
07-15-06, 19:54
I vaguely remember seeing several AW's on the tube who would troll for rich suckers to subsidize their lifestyle (even if only temporarily for example, a single date). These bloodsuckers would require the most expensive items on the menu, champagne, nights out on the town in the most exclusive places, etc., and guess what they said the guy's reward would be in return? To be seen with a hot woman. I'm sorry, but even if I were rich NOW, that would seem to me to be a foolish, temporary investment. Any AW with half a brain is gonna KNOW that said babe is with the guy simply 'cos he has boatloads of cash, NOT 'cos he has a vibrant, magnetic personality or Hollywood looks that reel chicks in like a professional at a bass tournament.
CM, as for the AW's approaching the end of their functional shelf-life, there are plenty of suckers out there who are gonna JUMP at the chance to snatch up a less-than-prime morsel tossed out of the pile from the dating/feeding frenzy. I just know that I'm not one of them.
Absolutely the below status women are super tricky and if you go for them thats half the problem.You think there easy and dickless then you realize everyone is thinking the same thing and they have your weakness figured out immediately not to mention you put yourself into a sub par level for future hook ups.I think they get more play and are full of more games than the A list women.
Too be honest Ive done it and I can get off to it but I cant smell the scent of it anymore.I need to be with someone that I want to immerse myself in not only let them suck me off.Once it gets to sex on those levels your not having fun anymore and you need intervention therapy.
The bottom line is women in america and western culture are spoiled and its stems from equal rights that went astray and pussy whipping men from childhood into a certain way of thinking.
Hey guys take advantage in the third world.Id rather have women who are spoiled than discriminated against but what about men? The single straight male gets no respect anymore and is more or less an undesired item....book a plane ticket to where women appreciate you more.
At my job, I supervise some of our company's mall locations...just today I noticed an outrageous number of ugly pregnant women at the mall. I am not saying not-so-hot, a little frumpy women, plain-Jane girls. No. I am talking about women who on a scale of 0 to 100 (0 being a bullfrog, 100 being Shakira) are easily a negative 50. Hideously fat, missing teeth, vulgar, no manners, annoying twangy voices, dressed in clothes three sizes too small, screaming at the other two already obese kids they have in tow....
Obviously, some guys are fucking these toads, doing it bareback, and impregnating them. Have the men here been pussified to such an extent? Have they lost all their pride? This just reinforces the message the AWs are getting that being an ugly vulgar fat cow is OK just because they have a vagina....
I vaguely remember seeing several AW's on the tube who would troll for rich suckers to subsidize their lifestyle (even if only temporarily for example, a single date). These bloodsuckers would require the most expensive items on the menu, champagne, nights out on the town in the most exclusive places, etc., and guess what they said the guy's reward would be in return? To be seen with a hot woman. I'm sorry, but even if I were rich NOW, that would seem to me to be a foolish, temporary investment. Any AW with half a brain is gonna KNOW that said babe is with the guy simply 'cos he has boatloads of cash, NOT 'cos he has a vibrant, magnetic personality or Hollywood looks that reel chicks in like a professional at a bass tournament.
CM, as for the AW's approaching the end of their functional shelf-life, there are plenty of suckers out there who are gonna JUMP at the chance to snatch up a less-than-prime morsel tossed out of the pile from the dating/feeding frenzy. I just know that I'm not one of them.
I think that Cho posted that....it was his article about "female players" a while back.....it featured some bim having a guy spring for "romantic" spa weekend with is "reward" being allowed to see her in a towel.
B9k
Was in a large department store today and decided to try on a couple of shirts. Big mistake. In front of the mens dressing room was a large disorderly crowd of women, kids, strollers, and assorted men milling around. Got over there and pushed my way through the crowd (womens dressing room is on the other side of the store btw) and entered the dressing area. While I was trying on clothes various women were shouting/yelling directions/instructions to their respective husbands/boyfriends about clothes to the point of entering the room. The attendant had to shut the door.
When I left the room it reminded me of clearing customs in an airport and going past that magic high wall where everyone is in your face with a sign or shouting and trying to get your attention and you gotta push past.
This seems like a common activity because its happened at a couple different stores and one time a woman actually went from stall to stall looking/yelling for her man. Fellas, you need to put your woman in her place and not be so whipped. I'm not even gonna get into the issue of woman shopping in the mens section either.
Now we all know what would happen if a guy was to attempt to enter the womans dressing room.....
Sinanju Master
07-16-06, 14:14
I think that Cho posted that....it was his article about "female players" a while back.....it featured some bim having a guy spring for "romantic" spa weekend with is "reward" being allowed to see her in a towel.
B9k
No, it wasn't that, although I DO vaguely remember him mentioning it. It was some sorta Entertainment Tonight kind of story that focused on a facet of the dating trend. The broad was so matter-of-fact about it that I was almost impressed by her soulless professionalism.
This is regarding a post of mine from yesterday or the day before. It was a comment on those two overpriced B*tches looking for a sugar daddy.
I said the following: Those are nothing more than a couple of hookers. Extra-high price and maybe really good looking, but still hookers.
The first thing I want to say is that I don't have anything against hookers. Not at all, not one bit.
What I DO have a problem with is the way so many women out there try and portray themselves. They always try and put a spin on things so they can basically be a prostitute without having to admit that fact. It's just yet another example of hypocrisy.
There's only two things separating hard-core prostitutes from the soft-core ones. The soft-core pros try to maintain an indirect connection between their services and payment for those services. Also, the soft-core pros are never honest enough to admit what they are....... and THAT is what pissed me off about those 2 from AstorBryan's post.
Rock
Chocha Monger
07-17-06, 04:27
I really don't care if *****s want to pretend that they're not *****s. However, US *****s often try to fleece guys WITHOUT delivering on the promised or implied services. Terms like: playboy lingerie type; playmates; spice up your porfolio; big losses to claim; and charity all are subtle messages that you should not expect sex in return for all that money they expect you to dish out "without the bat of an eyelash."
Most likely, Sugar Daddy got tired of investing in those two bitches while his cock received no returns. He finally decided to go elsewhere and invest in some stocks that paid him dividends.
Haha,
He got tired of paying good money for a pair of depreciating "assets".
Hey, on a completely unrelated subject....we, as mongers, should try to turn this whole political correctness thing to our own advantage. The way we can do this is to claim that our lifestyle qualifies as an alternative sexual orientation. We need the hunt, the excitement of negotiation, the thrill of the selection and the feeling of empowerment that comes from paying for sex in order to be fully satisfied.
What could we call ourselves? The P4P club....nahh! Wait, I've got it.....
Buy-$exuals! :D
Rock
Starchild2012
07-19-06, 09:52
At my job, I supervise some of our company's mall locations...just today I noticed an outrageous number of ugly pregnant women at the mall. I am not saying not-so-hot, a little frumpy women, plain-Jane girls. No. I am talking about women who on a scale of 0 to 100 (0 being a bullfrog, 100 being Shakira) are easily a negative 50. Hideously fat, missing teeth, vulgar, no manners, annoying twangy voices, dressed in clothes three sizes too small, screaming at the other two already obese kids they have in tow....
Obviously, some guys are fucking these toads, doing it bareback, and impregnating them. Have the men here been pussified to such an extent? Have they lost all their pride? This just reinforces the message the AWs are getting that being an ugly vulgar fat cow is OK just because they have a vagina....
This is ridiculous, Have you guys lost your mind in mindlessly attacking american women.
Ohh ! I hate american women too and so too the women from my own country.
BUT, downright degrading the women is just plain too ugly and unnecceasry.
Your expression is in very bad taste...Tell me..was there any man or women who was born with the choice of their parents and surroundings.
NO.we are born into our parents, we did not had any choice in selecting our parents, we are born as male or female or to put it as american men and american women.....Do we have a choice when we die or how we die..oh yeah !!..some would argue about suicide but that too is not a choice..it's just happens as it were 'cos of circumstances...'cos we could not say right now, if we ever commit suicide or just die naturally ...the cause of death is not in our hands.
Likewise..Do we have a choice how we are born with a certain face and character. given a choice everyone on this planet earth would love to have godly manner's and looks. Is it ever possible ?
The least we should know is its all mother nature's play. she is incharge of our life..call god in heaven or nature...we are being created by forces in nature and we are at mercy of them. We are born with certain karma and express it when we are born in a perticular environment.
We all agree, Love is far more powerful than any looks, size and weight.
If we ever fell in love, the girl we love may be the most hated by our parents and friends sometimes. ...is their any explantion to that...
The women that you called flumpy, plain jane, bull frong, Hideously fat, missing teeth, vulgar, no manners, annoying twangy voices, dressed in clothes three sizes too small, screaming at the other two already obese kids they have in tow.... etc.....
.......are being loved by men who you do not have your point of view...it is perfectly normal for this world to function without what we think or not..who are we to critisize and catogorise men and women...
We all think that we get surrounded by playboy bunnies all the time..BUT is it possible that we get get rid of all ugly women from this planet earth and seed this world with angel beauties....
Dude...You will feel lot lighter and less frustated...if you take the world as it is......having a point of view is ok..but downright degrading women into the level of animals .......ha !!
This is ridiculous, Have you guys lost your mind in mindlessly attacking american women.
Ohh ! I hate american women too and so too the women from my own country.
BUT, downright degrading the women is just plain too ugly and unnecceasry.
Your expression is in very bad taste...Tell me..was there any man or women who was born with the choice of their parents and surroundings.
NO.we are born into our parents, we did not had any choice in selecting our parents, we are born as male or female or to put it as american men and american women.....Do we have a choice when we die or how we die..oh yeah !!..some would argue about suicide but that too is not a choice..it's just happens as it were 'cos of circumstances...'cos we could not say right now, if we ever commit suicide or just die naturally ...the cause of death is not in our hands.
Likewise..Do we have a choice how we are born with a certain face and character. given a choice everyone on this planet earth would love to have godly manner's and looks. Is it ever possible ?
The least we should know is its all mother nature's play. she is incharge of our life..call god in heaven or nature...we are being created by forces in nature and we are at mercy of them. We are born with certain karma and express it when we are born in a perticular environment.
We all agree, Love is far more powerful than any looks, size and weight.
If we ever fell in love, the girl we love may be the most hated by our parents and friends sometimes. ...is their any explantion to that...
The women that you called flumpy, plain jane, bull frong, Hideously fat, missing teeth, vulgar, no manners, annoying twangy voices, dressed in clothes three sizes too small, screaming at the other two already obese kids they have in tow.... etc.....
.......are being loved by men who you do not have your point of view...it is perfectly normal for this world to function without what we think or not..who are we to critisize and catogorise men and women...
We all think that we get surrounded by playboy bunnies all the time..BUT is it possible that we get get rid of all ugly women from this planet earth and seed this world with angel beauties....
Dude...You will feel lot lighter and less frustated...if you take the world as it is......having a point of view is ok..but downright degrading women into the level of animals .......ha !!
I see you've been drinking alot of that bullsh*t AW Koolaid.
Wanderer1000
07-20-06, 01:48
Just checked your post history. Within a couple hours of your American Woman post, you posted in the American Politics section. You blame American politics and the American people - including the women - for 90% of the world's problems. You go on to bash America for the last 200 years.
According to your warm and understanding post of American women, are you saying that American men are responsible for 90% of the world's problems?
If so, you sound ridiculous and can't be taken seriously. Your first line is, " have you guys lost your mind in mindlessly attacking American women?" Your mindless post that also seems contridictory within a few hours of each other make me question where your mind is operating.
BL5,
You said the following:
we are born into our parents, we did not had any choice in selecting our parents
Then you asked:
Do we have a choice how we are born with a certain face and character. given a choice everyone on this planet earth would love to have godly manner's and looks.
Well, to answer the first I would agree with you. No one gets to choose their parents. To answer the second, I will say that part of how we look is genetic.
However, as we get older (past our childhood years) our choices in lifestyle have a great impact on how we look. I can use myself as an example. Thanks to my parents, I'm not the most handsome guy in the world. But, I watch what I eat, exercise regularly, don't drink excessively and don't smoke. The result? Now in my early 40's, I still look pretty good, and have lot's of energy for mongering adventures.
I've watched young girls go from early teens through to their 20's and on into their 30's. Lot's of these girls were stunningly beautiful at the age of 14 or 15....... only to run to fat by the time they turned 20. By the age of 30, smoking, alcohol, childbirth, lack of exercise and rampant weight gain had turned some of them into the unattractive creatues described by Tbird.
Could they have turned out otherwise? Maybe not, but probably they could have kept their looks a lot longer and a lot better than they did. Remember, we're just talking about looks too..... other things like manners, dress and attitude are completely under a woman's control.
Rock
Rubber Nursey
07-20-06, 02:58
I think you guys may be missing the point a little bit. BL5 was pointing out that whether YOU find them attractive or not, those ugly, fat, nasty women are (obviously, coz they keep getting pregnant) LOVED by their men - just as there are a whole lot of fat, old, balding men out there being LOVED by their women.
You can't just assume that the husbands of these women are 'pussy-whipped' or that they were bullied/manipulated/conned into marrying them. Maybe these guys looked past the fat ass and whiny voice and saw a beautiful person inside? Maybe she used to be a sexy woman but has 'let herself go' since marrying, but he doesn't care coz she's a great wife and mother? Or maybe she's just a total fox in bed!
Remember: Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. :)
Sinanju Master
07-20-06, 03:39
it could be that said husband doesn't see a way out and HAS to see wifey as a fox in order to see the best of a hopeless, bad situation. Yeah there are "Fatty chasers" and "bald-seeking" babes, so that would prove your point of the "eye of the beholder". If BL5 WANTS to find happiness in the arms of a greasy, ever widening, entitlement-seeking harpy who thinks that the sole purpose of HIS existence is to kowtow to HER, then let him be. Who are WE to intervene with our views on behalf of a MASOCHIST who has found his "happy niche"? I know what I like, and it ain't a demanding, slovenly "Queen" who feels comfy giving orders like a potentate, while not expecting to reciprocate in the least...
I've been reading the AW forum for many years now. The vast majority of guys have expressed nothing but disdain, disrespect and contempt for AW. As an American guy who has met women on every continent except Antarctica and Australia (OK, RN, you've got me there), all I can say is that AW have EARNED their well deserved reputation. They are fat, greedy, obnoxious, rude, narcissistic and seem to be hell bent on looking like men. Honestly, I look at them at times and cannot ascertain what sex they are. Women from Paris, Prague, etc wouldn't dare come out in public looking like the majority of AW.
Tbird is right on in his views and assessment of AW. As many American guys know, if an AW happens to look nice and is fit, she will be atacked by other AW and referred to as "Barbie" and a type of sell-out to the "sisterhood." OK, I'm done. Sorry.
Paddy
If you guys really want to incur the wrath of AW and provoke them WITHOUT exception, just tell them that you go overseas to meet Czech, Russian, Argentine, Dutch women, etc. Man, they almost have a seizure. They are sooo threatened it's almost comical. AW women have had a monopoly on sex and realtionships in our culture for a long, long time and they don't want competition of any kind. Hey, let's face it. AW have had a good thing going for a long time and they don't want to give it up.
Paddy
Starchild2012
07-20-06, 06:19
Rock,
Dude, Agreed that 50 percent or more of our looks could be controlled and well maintained.
BUT, what if a women decides not to :). Is there any constitutional amendment in america that says, all women should be like play boy bunnies else they would be degraded to the level of animals.
Just Imagine the state of muslim women around the world, many of them are very beautiful but unfortunately, they aren't allowed to show their beauty, all thorugh life they are cursed in "black burkha" by the male chauvanist of their soceity.
Are we any different, thank god we are still a democracy and freedom of expreesion is still relevant....If given a chance like the muslim nation....Men as we are power mongers...and going by the tone here..we would very well pass a law banning all frumpy, ugly women to be in burkha for ever.
On a different note, many would agree here that we always got a better service in hospitals, banks, hotels, institutions, front desk etc from women who are fat, uglier and frumpy compared to curvy and new age women.
They have better customer service and manners than our usual babe's in office, 'cos not many guys are after them and they tend to expect the world as it is and behave in a balenced way..on the other hand..the playboy bunny types have this attitude and hang over as if they just arrived from angelic planet :)
Rubber Nursey,
Yeah..I agree...LOVE is actually in a different plane totally irrespective of any looks and charecter.
When I was in my college, Our family friends used to visit our house, and looking at the wife's of some of them, made me think of uncle's as soo low, brain less, how can he get this deal etc etc..BUT as I left college, I had a
totally different view on relationships...now as I get older..I understand....what were the circumstances that led to the marriage.....It isn't always Looks..BUT most of the time compatibility.
JAK,
Even If I blame American people and American policies for the world problems...I do not wish to have the licence to kill If some one disagrees with me....I believe in Live and Let Live and also I do not believe in degrading women to the level of animal in which ever country they are born to...
I know that you are in India, and although you have similar problems with the local women, you don't understand the situation here. Women in the US effectively have many more rights and privleges than do men, and take great glee in holding them over our heads. Hence the frustration on this forum.
Please understand that being foreign, you don't have a grasp on the actual situation here. I assure you that no one could in the slightest way impede these 300 pound whales from doing anything that they want. Even guys who visit or live here for a time, don't get the full picture because they are to some degree (varies by country of origin) treated deferentially because they are exotic to American Women.
B9k
Chocha Monger
07-20-06, 07:09
If given a chance like the muslim nation....Men as we are power mongers...and going by the tone here..we would very well pass a law banning all frumpy, ugly women to be in burkha for ever.
While not usually given to extremist ideas, I must admit that Born Loser has put forward a good case for the introduction of the burkha as a mandatory item for many AW. We men would be much happier in the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness if we didn't have to endure such loud ugly rude creatures. If their husbands find them beautiful then let them gaze upon their hideous faces and bodies in private. The rest of us should be spared the pain of seeing these Gorgons in public.
Starchild2012
07-20-06, 07:41
Bart,
Yes, I'm from India..BUT I come and go to America quite often, for BPO related works very frequently and one of my main Job is to learn american culture and phyche to thrash our third world products into the first world nations :)
You can imagine, How hard work it is to do this the other way around ;) So I try to interact with as many people as possible ....
Trust me, I feel it how AW women treat the guys in America....I'm a victim too not only in America but also in India :(
I have come to a conclusion that due to rapid Globlization...women are acting in the same way more or less any where on the planet...
I have experienced increasing behavior from women here who acts like men ...NOT a cent of feminine quality...
I have come to America to start a new relation having got bruised and battered back home..BUT here too I got the same treatment not from women of the first grade....Im aware that a guy from third world country can only assume to get a women in the class of third or fourth level. I did not expect a fresh meat....YET....I was treated exactly the way I got treated back home....I had lost all my self respect and dignity across the continent :(
With that in mind, I can imagine, How you guys having being born in america gets treated by women folks...Its bad !! really...
AND that is the very reason, Im here in ISG....I love mongering, No commitments and No relations...Just money does the talking....
Having said all that...I felt that post was a total degradation of women as a whole....I have a very good relation with an escort how ever it may be for money..BUT I feel good when I go to her and she is ugly......Folks..For Lessar mortal...Man needs a Women...thats why this ISG is still around, inspite of how women and men treat each other....BUT we still need each other !!
Starchild2012
07-20-06, 07:46
Chocha Monger,
Great Idea...We got to go with the majority..:)
I'm with you, Only if we agree that the first women to ever put burkha on american soil be the great feminine rightist "Oprah" :)
While not usually given to extremist ideas, I must admit that Born Loser has put forward a good case for the introduction of the burkha as a mandatory item for many AW. We men would be much happier in the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness if we didn't have to endure such loud ugly rude creatures. If their husbands find them beautiful then let them gaze upon their hideous faces and bodies in private. The rest of us should be spared the pain of seeing these Gorgons in public.
There is already a US style burkha. It is called a 'mumu'. I have seen many obese AWs wear them. Often they have a matching headscarf.
recently, a hungarian guy who owns a townhouse blew it up with himself in it because his wife who is a dutch jewish woman who lived in new york for 40 years and was assimilated as an aw sued the poor guy for alimony and the courts forced him to sell the $4 million townhouse to pay her off. the townhouse was the home and doctor's office. when you look at the before and after pics of the wife, she does not resemble her former self at all! after waking up next to that gorgon and then having to pay her off with everything you own would drive you to do what he did. also on the howard stern show, aws say that the ***** should get the 4 million at the expense of that poor doctor. they also say that a man should accept a fat ogress for who she is and not how she looks. give me a break, oprah clones! i work my butt off in the gym so i can meet quality women and be with quality women not fat slobs. that is why i love mongering and am on this forum. the way these women are in the us, they should where burka. they can't where anything else because they could not longer fit dresses because they overeat.
also, once an aw lets herself go, everything else goes a downward spiral. she can't reach around herself to groom herself or bathe. she also stinks like feet and she becomes more unkempt. lately, i threw up after seeing the fugliest hippo feet with ugly black and long toenails that couldn't be pedicured, with peeling skin because the weight causes too much pressure on their swollen feet. on the beach, i saw a scene from "big momma's house 2" where martin lawrence was running with the fat woman's suit hundreds of times. i've seen so much cottage cheese that i should have opened a factory.
Sinanju Master
07-21-06, 03:10
As someone mentioned before, maybe the guys who hook up with the fat, greasy unkempt AW actually finds her to be a fox in and out of bed. So be it. It's not my job to proselytize another guy in order to make him see that his situation could be better. HOWEVER, if it gets increasingly difficult to elicit the the positives from his honey while she gives less and less reward for his efforts while he GIVES more and more for the same amount of affection or LESS, then an intervention is needed. He should NOT settle for a can of dog food and a plastic cup of grain alcohol, but at the very least, TRY for a tin of Beluga caviar and a bottle of Bollinger's. A similar situation is Odysseus falling madly for the song of the Sirens. They would have ended up getting him killed, but he had the forethought of making his crew subdue him while he listened to their song.
DJ FourMoney
07-22-06, 06:55
As someone mentioned before, maybe the guys who hook up with the fat, greasy unkempt AW actually finds her to be a fox in and out of bed. So be it. It's not my job to proselytize another guy in order to make him see that his situation could be better. HOWEVER, if it gets increasingly difficult to elicit the the positives from his honey while she gives less and less reward for his efforts while he GIVES more and more for the same amount of affection or LESS, then an intervention is needed. He should NOT settle for a can of dog food and a plastic cup of grain alcohol, but at the very least, TRY for a tin of Beluga caviar and a bottle of Bollinger's. A similar situation is Odysseus falling madly for the song of the Sirens. They would have ended up getting him killed, but he had the forethought of making his crew subdue him while he listened to their song.
I'm going to give you a small insight into who I am as a person...
Personally I don't like overweight women in general. There's several reasons for this, some personal & some sociological.
I'll visit the sociological one first -
There is a running stereotype that Black men only have access to the bottom of the pile with Caucasian American women. Honestly when you look at it, it might be somewhat true. How many good looking brothas do you see with equally attractive white women?
I'd say California is not a good place to base your opinion on. We have fat people too, but our culture puts pressure on people to look good or be an outcast if you don't socially fit in, unless you run around with your "crowd" that doesn't care about outward appearance.
IE: those grungy looking dudes with long unkept hair, long breads, shirt off (unsightly) and many tats (prolly from the Deep South) and those into Rat Rods, Tats and Betty Page and still others with Blue hair, fetishes and still listen to punk and ska.
The Hugarian women I mentioned several post back is "fat", but not in a bad way. She keeps herself up, tans and is quite sexy actually. Sure having sex with her is not like having sex with thinner women, its all about visuals, because the phyiscal is THE SAME. If she's REALLY big, okay I agree that getting good penatration if your not so well endowed can be a problem (I speak from personal experience), but if your knocking it right, the results are the same.
Now for the personal side -
Its when your move into the "public" arena is when things change, at least for me. I don't want to be viewed as "That brotha that dates fat white women because thin ones will have nothing to do with me". That couldn't be further from the truth actually. I have dated several thin women and prolly should have left relationships for very attractive thinner women, but for some reason I didn't and I missed out on opertunties.
I made a choice about 2 years ago to stop "shagging" chubby women, period and outside of the Hurgarian girl, I have keep that promise to myself.
That has actually SLOWLED my sex life down by quite a bit and that is one reason why I looked to P4P and first signed on to the WSG about 2 years ago.
If I can't get what I want through normal means, then maybe I have to look elsewhere and into unconventional areas.
I have also known for a long time that I have better success with European and Canadian women. I'm going to give Canada a break and focus on Europe since I haven't been there before. The contacts I have made have ensured at least a min amount of action, but locks me into uncomfortable sitsuations with my "free time", making P4P vitrually impossible, but honestly that isn't so bad. I actually wanted to do some P4P just to give something back to the board that has given me plenty of information over the years, especially in places where I would have never thought of visiting, like Argentina.
But this mission is more about finding a life-partner, no matter how unpopular that is around here. Okay, so I have to make some compermises as well especially when I try and date in my age bracket. Looks like the only single and childless women I will meet in Europe will be providers and women under 25 generally.
Sinanju -
I totally agree with you. Its like owning a Toyota Camry when you can afford a BMW. Its not the same... They are both cars, but are for totally different types of drivers.
I say if you can't find what you want here, LOOK elsewhere. I don't understand why some American men feel they have to kowtow to the women in America. You don't have too, as was said in the Matrix -
"The problem is choice..."
There is a running stereotype that Black men only have access to the bottom of the pile with Caucasian American women. Honestly when you look at it, it might be somewhat true. How many good looking brothas do you see with equally attractive white women?
This is not true......It just so happens that alot of these fat American White women are pretty open about their interest in fucking or dating Black men. Good looking White guys are picky about the types of women they want to meet. So Black guys never willing to let an easy fuck oppportunity pass them by are only too willing to oblige these women.
For the professional Black male with alot of disposable $$$$$, including professional Black Athletes the field is pretty much wide open in terms of finding attractive White American women. I've dated a few of these so called White Amercan "model" types and all have been complete DUD's in the fucking department. They have nice bodies to look at while fucking but are complete DUD's in the sack. I'll take a woman next door type White woman any day over them.
Pleeeeease don't even get me started about the sistas i.e. Black American women because we could be here all day. Most are really fucked up.
I've had my best experiences with East/Western European White women. They wear less makeup, look fit and are really down to earth no matter how good looking they are.
AstorB and DJ4,
There are lot's of white women who will go out with black men. They seem to fall into 2 main categories..... the first and largest(no pun intended) category is Fat/Chubby. They seem to select black men as a means of getting with a more physically attractive guy. It's like Astor said, most good-looking white guys wouldn't consider one of these chubbies.
The second category is a bit more interesting. These women are generally very good looking. I suspect that they consider themselves to be superior physical specimens and that's what they're looking for in a man. Now, I live in Canada, so things might be a bit different up here. But, it's no big deal to see a really fine, fit white girl who dates black men exclusively. It's actually become something of a cliche.
Interestingly enough, the reverse (white guy-black girl) is a fairly rare sight. I'd say the most common inter-racial couples would be a white guyasian girl and the white girl/black guy.
Rock
White women dating black guys is now a fashion statement.You see all these yuppie types like paris hilton hanging out with the russell simmons crowd and now everybody wants in.If I was black Id be playing that card too.
I think blacks are getting used alot in pop culture and again whether they agree or not they are getting used for entertainment purposes to the extent where they hurt each other which alot of the times results in death and violence.Its amos and andy and black face all over again.The difference is that if your bright you can play your cards right and make money out of it.The challenge is to keep your head on straight and get out of it in one piece with a future.
Artisttyp
DJ FourMoney
07-23-06, 20:47
Rock Dog -
Canada is funny like that. For all the negatives you hear about Canada, I like it! I'd have to live on the BC side though, I can't stand snow... Rain isn't much of an improvement but I can live with it and have been "offered" to relocate to Vancuver more than once.
It is different and mixed couples are NORMAL up there. If you just take out the last 200 years of World History when it involved Anglos, it would be very interesting.
But then again, we reap the benefits of the "Master bangin the cute slave girl" with literly millions of hot looking women the world over.
Astor Bryan -
HA! I won't lite a fire under you.
We've been down that road before... But I agree with you, its not totally true. Some "great" examples out there. I don't include Hedi Klum and Seal however. Both are Europeans, who live here full time. Funny but what seems normal to them (at home) is somewhat out of place here, less so in the liberal western US, but still it doesn't go UN-noticed.
ArtistP, Aston Bryon & Sinanju Master
We're all going to have to have a Summit someday. I don't drink, but dinner is on me as long as its Sizzler, Ruby Tuesday or something. I can't afford 5 star food and still keep my car...lol
(Doing the Cabage Patch) "We goin to Sizzla" "We goin to Sizzla" - Kadeem Hardison from "White Men Can't Jump"
Sinanju Master
07-23-06, 21:05
ArtistP, Aston Bryon & Sinanju Master
We're all going to have to have a Summit someday. I don't drink, but dinner is on me as long as its Sizzler, Ruby Tuesday or something. I can't afford 5 star food and still keep my car...lol
(Doing the Cabage Patch) "We goin to Sizzla" "We goin to Sizzla" - Kadeem Hardison from "White Men Can't Jump"
It's oK you don't drink. More shots of Ouzo for ME. Also, I'm not above pizza WITH anchovies.
Free food without any commitment...Im in.
AstorB and DJ4,
There are lot's of white women who will go out with black men. They seem to fall into 2 main categories..... the first and largest(no pun intended) category is Fat/Chubby. They seem to select black men as a means of getting with a more physically attractive guy. It's like Astor said, most good-looking white guys wouldn't consider one of these chubbies.
The second category is a bit more interesting. These women are generally very good looking. I suspect that they consider themselves to be superior physical specimens and that's what they're looking for in a man. Now, I live in Canada, so things might be a bit different up here. But, it's no big deal to see a really fine, fit white girl who dates black men exclusively. It's actually become something of a cliche.
Interestingly enough, the reverse (white guy-black girl) is a fairly rare sight. I'd say the most common inter-racial couples would be a white guyasian girl and the white girl/black guy.
Rock
I agree with you Rock Dog. DJ, Free Food, I'm in Bro.
Here's an ugly old fart who charges $250 per session. She can't get anyone to come and see her so she blames Atlanta hobbyists for the non responses to her ad. I would not even see her free!!! Atlanta mongers have finally woken up and refuse to pay an exorbitant amout for someone so old and fugly. Poor guy was trying to help her out by negotiating a reasonable rate and she insulted him.
Her post.
I have not had any interest from the gentlemen down there outside of the one man (yes I left out the gentle part for a reason) whom seems to think I will negotiate prices based apon his preferences for the styles of art he would wish to practice.
I must say I am disapointed at this due to in the past I have had a much better reception down there. I do not know if I will try to make any other trips down there especialy as I may be moving out to the left coast around the first of next yr (give or take a few months)
Party safe Atlanta it is still a beautiful city.
http://www.georgia4u.com/
Sinanju Master
07-26-06, 22:15
i saw those sagging mammaries and thought she must be from a planet whose gravitational field dwarfs that of earth. what baffles me is that there is some fool out there who will pay good money to be cheated by this sea world escapee. i can understand a longtime prison parolee having an interest in her, but any other human male, hell no!
Her post.
I have not had any interest from the gentlemen down there......
I must say I am disapointed at this......
http://www.georgia4u.com/
WTF ? The nerve of this ***** ! I cant imagine anybody other than desperate crack heads doing her for a free hit of the rock pipe.
This is not true......It just so happens that alot of these fat American White women are pretty open about their interest in fucking or dating Black men. Good looking White guys are picky about the types of women they want to meet. So Black guys never willing to let an easy fuck oppportunity pass them by are only too willing to oblige these women.
For the professional Black male with alot of disposable $$$$$, including professional Black Athletes the field is pretty much wide open in terms of finding attractive White American women. I've dated a few of these so called White Amercan "model" types and all have been complete DUD's in the fucking department. They have nice bodies to look at while fucking but are complete DUD's in the sack. I'll take a woman next door type White woman any day over them.
Pleeeeease don't even get me started about the sistas i.e. Black American women because we could be here all day. Most are really fucked up.
I've had my best experiences with East/Western European White women. They wear less makeup, look fit and are really down to earth no matter how good looking they are.
Ive seen a lot of bottom of the pile white women with brothers here in Toronto. What I have noticed is that those brothers are usually bottom of the pile as well. The reason the sea whales date them guys is because, just like the animation team workers at the all inclusive hotels in the Dominican Republic, these guys will screw anything that moves ! Doesnt matter how fat, old or ugly, if it has a pussy, they will fuck it.
I see alot of the career welfare sea whales with some low brow riff raff wannabe thugs. For the less desireable white chics, its about going where you are appreciated.
Now the more sophisticated and educated brother is a lot more selective. I usually see them with the bikini ready attractive type white chic.
Astor,
I checked out that link.... purely from curiosity. Oh man, she seriously wants $250? That's funny. Maybe she used to be better looking 10 or 15 years ago and that's what she was asking back then!
Sylvester, that's pretty much the same thing I've noticed. The sophisticated and educated brother can definitely be more selective...... but that's only if he's lucky enough to be the 6 foot plus, wide-shouldered and handsome type. If you can show me an example of a short/chubby/goofy looking black guy being able to hook up with the attractive women, I'd be fairly surprised. Remember, I make all my statements based on what I've observed over and over again.
Being educated and sophisticated is all well and good, but it's up to the women whether things ever go past first base...... and the vast majority of guys getting past first base are the big strong masculine looking ones.
Rock
I have a theory to explain why things might be the way they are (regarding the previous post).
I think that men and women tend to be a lot more discriminating, picky and generally harder on members of the opposite sex when they are both from the same ethnic/racial background.
Maybe familiarity breeds contempt, maybe we are more slective about facial features, maybe it's something else. However, I've seen girls put up with stuff from men they'd never allow if he was from the same background as them. I've seen guys go ga-ga after the most average looking girl, simply because she was asian. I've asked asian guys if they thought a particular asian girl was pretty... and they'd say no, even if it was a girl I thought was really hot. Then there'd be some white girl that I thought was just ok....and these same asian guys would think that she was beautiful.
I could go on with a lot more examples, but that's my overall theory to explain what I've observed. Comments?
Rock
If you can show me an example of a short/chubby/goofy looking black guy being able to hook up with the attractive women, I'd be fairly surprised. Remember, I make all my statements based on what I've observed over and over again. Being educated and sophisticated is all well and good, but it's up to the women whether things ever go past first base...... and the vast majority of guys getting past first base are the big strong masculine looking ones. Rock
Rock, there are lots of short/chubby/goofy looking black guys who are hooked up
with attractive women. Have you seen Janet Jackson's boyfriend/SO, he is a short goofy looking gangsta rap artist. Russel Simon looks also goofy check out his ex wife. Dennis Rodman..not sure what to make of him and Karmen Elecktra . Also Heidi Klum a German supermodel married to Seal a black singer and the list goes on. It's all about the $$$$$$$$
I''ll make an exception for Heidi Klum, I think she married Seal out of true love and not for the $$$$$$, after all she's European. European women are not materialistic.
DJ FourMoney
07-27-06, 12:01
Rock there are lots of short/chubby/goofy looking black guys who are hooked up
with attractive women. Have you seen Janet Jackson's boyfriend/SO, he is a short goofy looking gangsta rap artist. Russel Simon looks also goofy check out his ex wife. Dennis Rodman..not sure what to make of him and Karmen Elecktra . Also Heidi Klum a German supermodel married to Seal a black singer and the list goes on. It's all about the $$$$$$$$
Simmons - He had money, she was a young model with no money, cha-ching! He had a fine-arse wife, she came up. Now they are divorced, still friends, but she's now rich for life with her own business. You can't get better than that can you?
Rodman - Stagged, Stagged and Stagged again. Now DR might have banged Carmen and they even dated for a minute. But tends to date, uh interesting guys. B-Real from Cypress Hill is one of her ex's. She just don't date normal dudes...
Klum - Is understandable. Look at Mic Jagger... Like Jerri Hall would even consider him if he worked at Walmart... Seal can sing, he wooo'ed her, that's how he got those panties wet and now she's sprung. One child, another on the way. He must be knockin it out, I know I would...
It just so happens Im friends with a russian lady(who is a knockout) who is married to a succesful black guy that works on wall street etc. I saw her a few days ago by chance while this topic was coming back into play...well she now has a baby from him and has opened up her own medical practice.He on the other hand is wanting to leave wall street to run some kind of educational foundation in africa.She told me she would never just leave her private practice and that she would be ok if he followed his "dream" in africa.
Of course my friend wouldnt give a shit she will have a check coming to her for life a child and her own medical practice.
By the way they met at tango classes and she suggested to me that I try it." There are alot of WOMEN wanting to meet guys there."
Many things are wrong with this story see if you can count the mistakes.Number one why is a brother taking tango lessons lol
Joined a couple of online dating agencies a few weeks ago and was immediately swamped by marketting emails where guys are trying sell everything from condoms to hairbrush to computers. I basically needed to shut down that email address.
Amazing how marketting people will take this route to promote their goods. They know how bad the women situation is in this country. With over 50% outright fat women and the rest having a zillion problems, all a marketting guy needs to do is to put up a fake photo of a hot female and all the men would go on a limb to send their email addresses.
Never again. I am off to Asia for a few months.
DJ FourMoney
07-28-06, 11:21
It just so happens Im friends with a russian lady(who is a knockout) who is married to a succesful black guy that works on wall street etc. I saw her a few days ago by chance while this topic was coming back into play...well she now has a baby from him and has opened up her own medical practice.He on the other hand is wanting to leave wall street to run some kind of educational foundation in africa.She told me she would never just leave her private practice and that she would be ok if he followed his "dream" in africa.
Of course my friend wouldnt give a shit she will have a check coming to her for life a child and her own medical practice.
By the way they met at tango classes and she suggested to me that I try it." There are alot of WOMEN wanting to meet guys there."
Many things are wrong with this story see if you can count the mistakes.Number one why is a brother taking tango lessons lol
Actually it kinda novel....
I have heard of brothas and other men taking Salsa lessons for the same reason, to meet single ladies. Tango? Hell why not, it worked didn't it?
DJ FourMoney
07-28-06, 11:22
Joined a couple of online dating agencies a few weeks ago and was immediately swamped by marketting emails where guys are trying sell everything from condoms to hairbrush to computers. I basically needed to shut down that email address.
Amazing how marketting people will take this route to promote their goods. They know how bad the women situation is in this country. With over 50% outright fat women and the rest having a zillion problems, all a marketting guy needs to do is to put up a fake photo of a hot female and all the men would go on a limb to send their email addresses.
Never again. I am off to Asia for a few months.
I don't know...
People sell Email list all the time, is not unusual...
All the sites I'm on, I don't get false emails.
It just so happens Im friends with a russian lady(who is a knockout) who is married to a succesful black guy that works on wall street etc. I saw her a few days ago by chance while this topic was coming back into play...well she now has a baby from him and has opened up her own medical practice.He on the other hand is wanting to leave wall street to run some kind of educational foundation in africa.She told me she would never just leave her private practice and that she would be ok if he followed his "dream" in africa.
Of course my friend wouldnt give a shit she will have a check coming to her for life a child and her own medical practice.
By the way they met at tango classes and she suggested to me that I try it." There are alot of WOMEN wanting to meet guys there."
Many things are wrong with this story see if you can count the mistakes.Number one why is a brother taking tango lessons lol
So......Let me get this straight, this guy is going to leave his pretty Russian wife to go run an educational foundation in Africa. Collectively corrupt African leaders have looted more than $700 Billion from their respective treasuries during the past 20 years. This is really a fucked up mentality when you realize that alot of inner city schools in the large cities, and rural parts of TN, NC,MS etc, are in dire straits.
Can someone please explain to me what all those seemly attractive ladies saw in
Flavor Flav......remember his reality show?? Was it the $$$$ or just the fucked up mentality of American women????
I would catch bits and pieces of the show here and there. The show never impressed me. IMHO, it showed a brother making a total ******* of himself....which holly wood loves to do.
Sinanju Master
07-28-06, 18:22
Can someone please explain to me what all those seemly attractive ladies saw in
Flavor Flav......remember his reality show?? Was it the $$$$ or just the fucked up mentality of American women????
Your answer is Yes...
1. My friend said they havent decided as of yet who goes where.My point was that is should be obvious.You would think a couple thats only been married for three years would like to stay together.Im sure he does but shes hooked up either way so who cares.
Why help africa and not the US? Americans dont do for americans what they would do for other countries.I dont know why its just our policy.I wind up watching my back more in america than I do in third world countries.
I agree africa is a mess with no hope in sight and very few resources to intrest anyone else to help.
2. I saw almost every episode of flavor of love.Hoops was my favorite from day one.Her thighs drove me nuts.Flav is foolish for doing it but Im sure he needed money and he put his tounge down a few throats.There are worse gigs to be had in hollywood.
I thought the funniest part was that they believed it was his mansion.The guy was a mascot for a rap group in the 80's.He probably only got a scrap of the scrap that chuck D got.All those guys got robbed by the labels back then.
All in all it showed you how stupid these women are and they would sell themselves to anyTHING that could offer something.
The reunion show was nothing special.After all that bullshit hoops didnt want flav. I loved public enemy but flav doing reality TV for the man is very un public enemy and ruins the militant appeal.
Astor B,
My theory was about white girls and handsome black men getting together.
Janet Jackson was black, last time I checked..... so my theory doesn't apply to that example.
Russel Simmons... was his ex-wife Kimora Lee or someone else? I don't know so I can't say.
Rodman and Electra.... perfect example of my theory! Wide shouldered pro athlete, stands around 6'7. What more could a pretty white girl ask for? He might be goofy looking but definitely left some "big shoes" for Dave Navarro to fill.
Seal and Heidi Klum, another good example of my theory..... supermodel type goes for well-built black male. Again well over 6 feet in height and very masculine looking. Extra props to Heidi for looking past the facial scars and seeing the man INside.
If there WAS a black guy that was short, goofy looking, or fat...... and he hooked up with a good-looking woman of any other race, it would be a very rare event unless a lot of money (his) was involved. In that case, the prostitution principle takes effect and overrides my theory.
For anybody who's wondering what the Prostitution Principle is......here is my own definition. Most, if not all, women can be induced into doing things they'd never do otherwise, as long as there is a great enough reward for them to do so. Notice that I didn't mention money, or that the reward had to be immediate.... or even directly connected to the action.
This is the principle that helps explain why a goofy looking guy like Jermaine DuPris can get next to Janet Jackson.... and it explains why guys like Russell Simmons and Donald Trump will never go lacking for attractive female company.
Rock
Astor,
I checked out that link.... purely from curiosity. Oh man, she seriously wants $250? That's funny. Maybe she used to be better looking 10 or 15 years ago and that's what she was asking back then!
Sylvester, that's pretty much the same thing I've noticed. The sophisticated and educated brother can definitely be more selective...... but that's only if he's lucky enough to be the 6 foot plus, wide-shouldered and handsome type. If you can show me an example of a short/chubby/goofy looking black guy being able to hook up with the attractive women, I'd be fairly surprised. Remember, I make all my statements based on what I've observed over and over again.
Being educated and sophisticated is all well and good, but it's up to the women whether things ever go past first base...... and the vast majority of guys getting past first base are the big strong masculine looking ones.
Rock
My mistake, I forgot to mention that the educated/sophisticated brother does would have to be attractive as well. The short/chubby/goofy black guy would have to be a celeb or have lotsa $$$ to pull in the hot white chics
Would things have gone so well with Seal and Heidi Klum if her Italian tycoon ex-boyfriend Flavio Briatore had not dropped out of site when she became pregnant? From what I recall, Seal met her afterwards when she was carrying the other dudes baby.
Was reading in the New York Post recently about football player Michael Strahan and his big divorce battle with his ex-wife. She wants some ridiculous figure like 30k to 100k a month because her kids are becoming spoiled with the 3 year old accustomed to Fendi and Prada bags.
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Was reading in the New York Post recently about football player Michael Strahan and his big divorce battle with his ex-wife. She wants some ridiculous figure like 30k to 100k a month because her kids are becoming spoiled with the 3 year old accustomed to Fendi and Prada bags.
That guy made the one worst and most common mistake.... he married that b*tch in the first place. Now he's going to be paying for it. Either he pays her alimony every month (which is like welfare for rich b*tches), or he's got to pay the uncounted thousands in lawyers bills.
Someone should do a reality show where these spoiled women get cut off from the money for a few months. It would be entertaining to see them scrambling around trying to take care of themselves for a change.
Rock
ps. Fendi and Prada for a 3 yr old...... what the FUCK is with that anyways? Now AW's are being trained from birth.
Now AW's are being trained from birth.
Well, lets face it, the type of behavior AW exhibit is something that they are conditioned for throughout their entire lives, starting from birth. No one is actually born the way AW act. When they first come out of the womb, IMHO, they have the potential to be just as feminine as women anywhere else on the planet. It's their upbringing in American society that causes them to act the way that they do. That's why I've always felt that only so much anger and frustration can be directed towards AW; American society, and even us American MEN are, in many ways, just as responsible for AW behavior as AW themselves.
I guess the same could be said for AM as well; the U.S. may have more pussy-whipped men per capita than any other country in the world. Why is that? We weren't born that way, I can tell ya that...
Joined a couple of online dating agencies a few weeks ago and was immediately swamped by marketting emails where guys are trying sell everything from condoms to hairbrush to computers. I basically needed to shut down that email address.
Amazing how marketting people will take this route to promote their goods. They know how bad the women situation is in this country. With over 50% outright fat women and the rest having a zillion problems, all a marketting guy needs to do is to put up a fake photo of a hot female and all the men would go on a limb to send their email addresses.
Never again. I am off to Asia for a few months.
BB, you joined the wrong agencies. There are loads of agencies that do not sell your information to anybody so you don't get swamped with spam. READ THE FINE PRINT!
Sinanju Master
07-30-06, 00:41
I guess the same could be said for AM as well; the U.S. may have more pussy-whipped men per capita than any other country in the world. Why is that? We weren't born that way, I can tell ya that...
You should watch the comedy concert film: "Raw" with Eddie Murphy. He describes a typical guy who hooks up with a woman (in the initial stages of a relationship) and the guy will act like someone who has been on a deserted island for a year and has just been tossed his first morsel of food, acting like it's of gourmet quality. THEN he describes the SAME GUY who now, after a year of banging the same pussy, sees it for what it really is: the same old shit after a year.
They KEY is in NOT acting like it's your first piece after getting out of lockdown.
......but I think it bears repeating. Online dating is a waste of time and money in the US. With all of the pussy starved guys out there, even a plain Jane gets hit on at least a couple times an average day, and none too pretty big girls get more action than you can shake a stick at because guys think they are actually achieveable. Under those conditions, what kind of girl needs to use her computer to get fixed up on dates? Answer: Some combination of the morbidly obese, hideously ugly, out in outer space weird, and bugfuck crazy.....tend to have a few thousand extra miles on them also.
B9k
Here are two PM's I received from one brian maloney. I can't make any sense of his BS tirade. maloney you pri*k, stop sending me PM's. OH and by the way, I don't have any pics anywhere you can access, you lying piece of shit. I could care less about who you've dated. Yea.....you were married to a Black woman for 15 years and she divorced your ass after she found out you were on the down low.
brian maloney
Let the brothers have the skinny white trash
Astor Bryan I have seen pics of you. You are GORGEOUS AND EATABLE. I once sent an e-mail to one member and he got upset. Maybe because I hit a NERVE. I love Black women myself I was married to a Black woman for 15 years. I was shock and surprised myself as I told DJ for the money. About 2 years ago I was in Vancouver and I met up with Miss Jamaica SHE WAS BEAUTIFULL after spending the night with this FANTASY woman I still DREAM of her till this very day. When I finish making LOVE to her FIRST thing in the morning, I like that time best. I wore NO protection and NO protection all night. I said I am sorry I am not big down there in that department like I guess you are use to. She stood up and said, "Look honey lets get one thing straight right now! I dont FUCK BLACK only WHITE. I said if I get you pregnent what would you do. She said we would have a beautifull Molato child. I said sounds good to me. She then told me the brothers are worth shit and irrisponsible dogs. The GOOD brothers that are educated and famous or pro Athletes they want WHITE meat. She then told me that black people descriminate against themselves. I could not believe what I was hearing. She said she is 1/2 white and a light skin Black woman . She told me that dark black never marry light black Fuck I was shock to hear this comming from Miss Jamaica but I believe her because she is light skin black and knows more about this kind of stuff than I do I never knew this kind of shit exsisted.
Why are Black PEOPLE so defencive
Just like the OTHER member ALWAYS on the defencive calling the RACE CARD, Please READ my E-mail again. It was not me that was a racist or prejiduce, it was MISS JAMAICA that was a racist. And I believe her, WHY would she LIE. How can I be prejiduce I slept with her ALL NIGHT LONG. I guess in this case it wasnt becuse I was rich or good looking just the right colour I guess. I live in Canada NOT THE USA. reading back in history canada never believed in slave trading and we are not a racist nation like the USA. The black people that could exscape from slavery came to Canada. OUR Country NEVER had segregation laws like the USA. So I guess thats why Black people in the USA have chips on their shoulders, But they ALWAYS treat Canadians well.
Ezinho, Sinanju,
It's one of those things.... like the chicken or the egg, which came first? Somehow things have evolved over the last few decades to the point where women really do have the upper hand.
I've made many posts to this effect so I won't go on covering the same ground.
You can't honestly go blaming women for everything. I think a lot of this stuff that's going on these days can be traced all the way back to the 60's.... when people started challenging the establishment, and established ideas of how things should be. I can remember how the 70's came next.... with women's liberation. Of course that whole "liberation" part of the phrase seemed to imply that they had been imprisoned or enslaved previously.
Mostly I think they started out just wanting to have the same job opportunties as us. After they got a little bit of success, they just kept going and going.
Now what you have, are millions of women out there who don't really need a guy for anything except to get laid..... and that's only if they aren't bi.
There's always a few nice, normal ones out there who aren't in it for the money or trying to uase their pussies to power trip on us. However, those ones are guaranteed to be in nice stable relationships. That's why we are so down on AW's and western women in general...... because it's the ugly/psycho/gold-digger types that are always available. Those are the ones we keep running into over and over.
There sure are a lot of pussy-whipped guys out there, but that doesn't mean we have to be one of them. Not sure exactly where I'm heading with this post so I'll just summarize and end it here.
1. Women in general are worse than they used to be... also seem to be getting more so as time goes by.
2. Not sure how things got this way, causation is surely multifactorial.
3. As bad as things are, don't make things worse by surrendering your honor for a piece of ass.
Rock
Sinanju Master
07-30-06, 17:52
Rock, actually, you (WE) DO need to cover the same ground from time to time in order to keep focused on what the problem is and to educate those who are in the dark without so much as a candle to light the way. Myself, I never said that there is not even ONE good AW in the US, but you can damn sure bet your annual salary several times over that she has been taken by someone else before you can get to her. With the rest, it seems that if you give them some rope, they want to be a cowboy.
Astor, you seem to have attracted a nutcase. I just hope it's not on the same level as Ownaford1994 or JamesD2004 or any of his other aliases.
I've spoken to Brian before. He's a nice guy.....just a bit different in his way of expressing himself.
b9k
Chocha Monger
07-31-06, 03:21
Astor,
I tend to agree with Bart. Perhaps, you just misunderstood Brian. I've never had any reason to believe that he's inclined to the alternative lifestyle though he writes in a fairly unique manner. There is no reason to let the matter erupt into a flame war.
Ezinho, Sinanju,
It's one of those things.... like the chicken or the egg, which came first? Somehow things have evolved over the last few decades to the point where women really do have the upper hand.
I've made many posts to this effect so I won't go on covering the same ground.
You can't honestly go blaming women for everything. I think a lot of this stuff that's going on these days can be traced all the way back to the 60's.... when people started challenging the establishment, and established ideas of how things should be. I can remember how the 70's came next.... with women's liberation. Of course that whole "liberation" part of the phrase seemed to imply that they had been imprisoned or enslaved previously.
Mostly I think they started out just wanting to have the same job opportunties as us. After they got a little bit of success, they just kept going and going.
Now what you have, are millions of women out there who don't really need a guy for anything except to get laid..... and that's only if they aren't bi.
There's always a few nice, normal ones out there who aren't in it for the money or trying to uase their pussies to power trip on us. However, those ones are guaranteed to be in nice stable relationships. That's why we are so down on AW's and western women in general...... because it's the ugly/psycho/gold-digger types that are always available. Those are the ones we keep running into over and over.
There sure are a lot of pussy-whipped guys out there, but that doesn't mean we have to be one of them. Not sure exactly where I'm heading with this post so I'll just summarize and end it here.
1. Women in general are worse than they used to be... also seem to be getting more so as time goes by.
2. Not sure how things got this way, causation is surely multifactorial.
3. As bad as things are, don't make things worse by surrendering your honor for a piece of ass.
Rock
This kind of goes along with something I'm fond of stating....Rock is essentially saying here that women have thrown out the baby with the bathwater, and I certainly agree. I've made several posts examining some things that modern society has discarded (dowries, arranged marriages, paternal approval of suitors), partially in response to the women's "liberation", and what the detrimental effects have been (girls choosing to give themselves to the suitor who provokes the maximum EMOTIONAL response----which has a high correlation to being undependable, unstable abusive)......now they are really out on a limb with all of them expected to be "independent women", get out there fighting on the front lines to take over the world...when in actuality, most really just want to get knocked up and stay home playing with the kids, while one of those terrible MEN protects them from reality.
I'm in partial agreement with Rock, that some are certainly better than others. However, I have to say, that ALL are at least to some degree corrupted by the influences of our society. Now I'm sure that somewhere out there is a girl who would prove me absolutely wrong by being the exception to my "rule", but I'm not willing to spend my time and money digging through the proverbial haystack to find her, especially when as frequently pointed out on this board, we have other options.
B9k
DJ FourMoney
07-31-06, 09:31
okay maybe he should look at his writing and i don't get offended often, but he's not allowed to pm me. i made that crystal clear to him...
then again some canadians are genuinely strange.. ay?
bart -
it is a waste to trying dating online women from the us. but not so pointless when you focus on canada and europe. in fact, im just not sure how much "mongering" i'll get done with so much "free" german punai that i have cultivated so far :d
plus my female friend from norway asures of me that i'll have no problems pullin and even the german women say that (they tell me that in an in-direct sort of way)
if all this turns out to be true, "darlin, put mommie on the phone..(pause). "hey marsha, i aint ever comin home!" "have a nice life..."
well, i don't think i can actually live in europe (you never know...) but we'll just have to see how this all turns out.
rock -
its funny, im a hardcore follower of motorsports and i only found out recently that hedi used to date flavio who is the head of renault's formula 1 team. seems some black men don't mind picking up where some guys left off. i was never a "hit it and quit it" kind of guy, so i'll prolly end up doing the same thing, being a father to somebody else's children. of course all the above parties know im childless and are willing to have at least another one or two...
life is good (some ladies invited me on their ski boat which i'll cash-in over the next couple of weeks), just wish i made more money at this magot-[CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134)-on job i currently have, but im trying to get back into a truck to accelerate my income earning and provide me with more "freedom" when i make my trek over to europe.
That I specifically said online dating is a waste of time "in the US"
That I specifically said online dating is a waste of time "in the US"
I agree online dating of AW is a complete waste of time. You're better off with p4p.
Just a quick line form someone who has been lurking for awhile. If one has some game in New York... I'm sure L.A. and other places for that matter. On a good day one can often meet a lady from overseas who would love to spend some quality time with a nice gent. I'm 51 and in good shape. one of my friends was 21, delightful and from Poland. Recently I have been seeing a lovely 28 year old gal from Trinidad. When you add up the airfare and the hassle. Nothing in this life is free. As the service writer said to me one at the dealership "if it has tits or wheels and is nice it' not cheap".
You guys in the big cities open your eyes. Nothing wrong with a new friend spending a couple of nights a week after a good meal and perhaps a "little help" offered dicretely of course.
Sinanju Master
08-01-06, 10:13
Yesterday, near the end of the workday, some coworkers and I were talking about our receptionist. She's a redhead (I got a thing for redheads) and had just 4-5 months ago dumped her live/in bf to whom she was engaged and HAD PLANNED THE WEDDING. NOW, I hear she's ENGAGED AGAIN. This was after she very briefly dated a guy who is friends with my coworkers (led him ON is more like it, since she milked him for several dinners etc) and told him over the phone that she was now engaged. He said: "WHAT? Where did you meet THIS GUY"? Apparently, she met this guy (her new intended-to-be) while she was dating the poor guy she suckered. Now, this broad is either extremely single-minded or just plain NUTS to be engaged THAT QUICKLY after recently dumping someone whom you were gonna live the rest of your life with. I'll keep you apprised, my bretheren.
Doctor_Skank
08-01-06, 11:27
DJ4Money:
First of all, I agree that online dating outside the US is a goldmine... I really wonder how that got so screwed up in the US. Apparently "myspace" works well in the US though, although I never personally tried since I dont live there. When is your long-awaited Euro-vacation gonna happen? Those poor German girls seem pretty keen for you to show up!
The Heidi Klum story:
The Heidi Klum story is really one of a girl getting passed around... after she got dumped by her former boyfriend, she hooked up with Anthony Kiedis (Red Hot Chili Peppers) for awhile and after he dumped her (he still raves about her, but said he was too immature to stay with one girl.. that's my boy!) she ended up shacking up with chubby aging Italian playboy super stud Flavio Briatore, who is famous for banging literally dozens of top models such as Naomi Campbell etc. Flavio poked her rotten for awhile and got her pregnant, at which point he literally said "I can't see myself pushing around a baby carriage" and unceremoniously dumped her just after their baby girl was born.
I ask myself why Heidi couldnt seem to keep a boyfriend, but if you have ever seen her interviews, she's pretty fucking stupid. Not that one would expect much from a model, but she really is pretty dumb.
Seemingly destined to be a single mom, Heidi was back on the market and lucky enough to meet up with Seal, who has a thing for German models (he used to be with Tatjana Patiz, even hotter than Heidi in my opinion) and very family-oriented... and now she is cranking out little baby seals and reportedly very very happy. Seal also seems to be somewhat of a dream husband, at least from the very positive press he's getting in Germany.
Rock Dog:
There definitely is a lot to the theory that opposite races attract, which may even by genetically motivated. After all, "injecting" new genetic code into the racial bloodline is essential for races to survive over time.
"Yellow Fever" is what they call it when white guys (or black guys for that matter) go crazy for anything Asian. We've all seen non-Asians parading around with the most unattractive Asian chicks, at least from an Asian standpoint. Asians laugh about it and I think anybody who has been to Thailand or whereever has seen it... and probably been guilty of it as well. I know that years ago I banged some real skanks in Pattaya before figuring out which ones were truly pretty and improving my screening process. What was I thinking? I was only looking at their skinny tight bodies and didnt even notice the faces until the next morning.
The same goes for white guys who are into black chicks... they are often attracted to the body and dont even look at the face. And the stereotype of black guys with white chicks most decent-looking white guys wouldnt touch is well-known.
When it comes to banging girls from other races, it seems that the attraction is rooted in factors not entirely determined merely by traditional definitions of attraction.
Personally speaking, I banged a black chick in airborne school in the army that most black guys probably wouldnt have given a second thought too... body was fine but her face could have stopped a runaway train. I felt no shame about it though, at least I got some... :)
By the way, I just got back from the US and was getting a whole different vibe from black girls (I am white). Its well-known that interracial dating/sex is less taboo than before and that white girls with black guys is more common than ever, but what about the other way around? Years ago I didnt often get far with black women but on this recent trip I had black girls giving me some serious flirting action. Didnt have a chance to pursue it as I was otherwise "occupied", but is there more acceptance for white guys among black girls? I also saw a lot of white guy-black girl couples, which was less common even just 10 years ago. Thoughts?
Yesterday, near the end of the workday, some coworkers and I were talking about our receptionist. She's a redhead (I got a thing for redheads) and had just 4-5 months ago dumped her live/in bf to whom she was engaged and HAD PLANNED THE WEDDING. NOW, I hear she's ENGAGED AGAIN. This was after she very briefly dated a guy who is friends with my coworkers (led him ON is more like it, since she milked him for several dinners etc) and told him over the phone that she was now engaged. He said: "WHAT? Where did you meet THIS GUY"? Apparently, she met this guy (her new intended-to-be) while she was dating the poor guy she suckered. Now, this broad is either extremely single-minded or just plain NUTS to be engaged THAT QUICKLY after recently dumping someone whom you were gonna live the rest of your life with. I'll keep you apprised, my bretheren.
I've spoken about this before. It's very very common for girls to keep one or two guys on the back burner.....while she's saying that you are the the one and only she very well could have a couple backups on the side that she keeps around with everything from flirting to full blown fucking.
I'm on a girl's back burner right now....believe if her live in boyfriend fizzles out on her, she'll be wanting onto my dance card. I've actually been in the past called up from the minors, and then sent back down two or three days later after a reconcilliation.
B9k
PS I did want to point out to everyone that the preceding is Dr. Skank's 1000th post. While several of the Domino's and Nibu Raphael types have gotten to that level and a ways beyond, it is a rare individual who has provided good information, great photo's and solid opinion commentary to that degree.
Sinanju Master
08-02-06, 21:56
I came to work this morning and saw a strange car in the parking lot. Apparently, Red and her newly betrothed are driving EACH OTHER'S cars. This is an interesting turn of events and I'm definitely gonna keep my ear to the ground. I just hope the poor schmoe knows what he's getting into.
DJ FourMoney
08-03-06, 12:00
DJ4Money:
First of all, I agree that online dating outside the US is a goldmine... I really wonder how that got so screwed up in the US. Apparently "myspace" works well in the US though, although I never personally tried since I dont live there. When is your long-awaited Euro-vacation gonna happen? Those poor German girls seem pretty keen for you to show up!
The Heidi Klum story:
The Heidi Klum story is really one of a girl getting passed around... after she got dumped by her former boyfriend, she hooked up with Anthony Kiedis (Red Hot Chili Peppers) for awhile and after he dumped her (he still raves about her, but said he was too immature to stay with one girl.. that's my boy!) she ended up shacking up with chubby aging Italian playboy super stud Flavio Briatore, who is famous for banging literally dozens of top models such as Naomi Campbell etc. Flavio poked her rotten for awhile and got her pregnant, at which point he literally said "I can't see myself pushing around a baby carriage" and unceremoniously dumped her just after their baby girl was born.
I ask myself why Heidi couldnt seem to keep a boyfriend, but if you have ever seen her interviews, she's pretty fucking stupid. Not that one would expect much from a model, but she really is pretty dumb.
Seemingly destined to be a single mom, Heidi was back on the market and lucky enough to meet up with Seal, who has a thing for German models (he used to be with Tatjana Patiz, even hotter than Heidi in my opinion) and very family-oriented... and now she is cranking out little baby seals and reportedly very very happy. Seal also seems to be somewhat of a dream husband, at least from the very positive press he's getting in Germany.
Rock Dog:
There definitely is a lot to the theory that opposite races attract, which may even by genetically motivated. After all, "injecting" new genetic code into the racial bloodline is essential for races to survive over time.
"Yellow Fever" is what they call it when white guys (or black guys for that matter) go crazy for anything Asian. We've all seen non-Asians parading around with the most unattractive Asian chicks, at least from an Asian standpoint. Asians laugh about it and I think anybody who has been to Thailand or whereever has seen it... and probably been guilty of it as well. I know that years ago I banged some real skanks in Pattaya before figuring out which ones were truly pretty and improving my screening process. What was I thinking? I was only looking at their skinny tight bodies and didnt even notice the faces until the next morning.
The same goes for white guys who are into black chicks... they are often attracted to the body and dont even look at the face. And the stereotype of black guys with white chicks most decent-looking white guys wouldnt touch is well-known.
When it comes to banging girls from other races, it seems that the attraction is rooted in factors not entirely determined merely by traditional definitions of attraction.
Personally speaking, I banged a black chick in airborne school in the army that most black guys probably wouldnt have given a second thought too... body was fine but her face could have stopped a runaway train. I felt no shame about it though, at least I got some... :)
By the way, I just got back from the US and was getting a whole different vibe from black girls (I am white). Its well-known that interracial dating/sex is less taboo than before and that white girls with black guys is more common than ever, but what about the other way around? Years ago I didnt often get far with black women but on this recent trip I had black girls giving me some serious flirting action. Didnt have a chance to pursue it as I was otherwise "occupied", but is there more acceptance for white guys among black girls? I also saw a lot of white guy-black girl couples, which was less common even just 10 years ago. Thoughts?
I echo Bart, congrats on your 1,000th post -
This is why YOU are the "Good" Doctor...
I'll start with you last comment:
I think its becoming more common place and I say its about frickin time! Now they can leave us brothas that rather not date them alone.... My mother was a forerunner to this as one of her BF's while I was growing up was a white fellow. We were about this " " close to have an intergated family as the children from his previous relationship were white. Just for the sake of interest, I would have liked to see that happen.... He was a very nice guy.
Once all the races are fully mixed, they'll find something else wrong with you...
I personally don't have a problem with it. You should be able to date whomever you want.
My trip -
Ha! I just talked to the travel agent this morning... His price was about $75 higher than I found online.
My main problem now is narrowing down the field or finding out a way to spend time with each without them getting curious to where I'm going, etc, etc.
As it stands there 4 interested parties -
One I have been talking too since March and the other three I picked up in May.
The lady from Heillbronn is REALLY on it. I think her effort has pushed her up to first visited status. Second place belongs to blonde from Asnbach, Third to the brunette from Wurzberg and bring up the rear is the first one I came into contact with, from Monchengladbach.
I also have a another lady friend I would like to visit up in Norway.
I'm really trying to get a gauge on Norway. My friend has a rather "manly" look to her and from some pictures I have seen of other female Norwegians, that seems to be the case more often than not. Maybe its the lingering Viking effect or something... No offence to any Norwegians on the board, I know there some hot women in your country I just haven't found an acturate source of photographic "proof" yet. If you can point me in the right direction, PLEASE do so, as she has told me I would have NO PROBLEM pulling in Bergen where she lives and YES I will see the Fjords...
Skank, I will make my way to the EE before anything serious happens tho, because the Hungrian told me it would be a good idea for me to go to some places in the EE, not all and I have heard some postive feedback from former GI's and other "brothas" that find themselves overseas for an extended amount of time and have spent time in some areas.
This trip promises to be the best thing I have done so far in life and Im treating it as such...
PM me.....I can help you with your travel arangements. I always have an eye on fares.
Travel agents like most stockbrokers, realtors, etc are useless middlemen. I had one quote me a $1500 airline ticket to Prague...On my own I found a deal including the flight and 4 days in a decent hotel for like $1000.
B9k
Huitzilopoch
08-04-06, 12:06
I've been tossing the idea around with some friends of mine, wanted to get seasoned travelers opinions.
There are ways around certian laws in the United States, I've personally become a wizard at such things. I was wondering if there would be a market for an american fkk stocked with women from around the world? Prices would be insanely high, but would be a much easier trip. Is there a market for such a thing?
Organicgrowth
08-04-06, 17:27
Huitzilopoch,
Lovely idea and I admire your courage.
Market: yes, a very big one indeed.
HOWEVER: think media, think publicity, bible-bashers, naming & shaming tactics…. Think conservative, closed minded, hypocritical government… Conclusion: probable failure, unless it was in Texas and the right people were very well bribed… Even then, I would bet that being in Arbusto heartland it would fail. The average Jo is just too scared...
Regards, Havanaman
Huitzilopoch
08-04-06, 19:10
Actually, if we made it public I think it would only be legal in nevada. Even then, it would be impossible to maintain; nevada is a desert and profit margins would dictate a low profitability rate given the competition.
I was thinking strict secrecy, like the gambling houses always do... I mean, im sure a lot of us have been to a place that was basically a casino run in absolute secrecy, right? You got there by word of mouth. Same goes here.
Maybe buy a place in an area that is needed for business(Los Angeles, or Miami, maybe Houston) put up a huge ass wall, make it a private resort type deal. Bring in 20 girls from around the world, have them live there, and charge admission for the guests who have a hard as hell pre-screening. Drive guests in a limo to and from the resort, all that jaz.
In the escort industry we had really tough pre-screening, but we also had an alibi system; If a client wants to take a girl out for the weekend, we schedule it with him, then send him a letter in the mail for a convention that goes along with his profession. He takes the convention, and when he gets to his hotel, he calls us and gives us his number. We then have a pre-arranged 1800 number for him to give his wife, when she calls it shows us his access code, we answer as the clerk for the hotel, and say he's sleeping please leave a message. We call him at his hotel, then do a three-way for him to talk to his wife.
This was of course only for clients who shelled out 10k a pop, but hey, it's a nice feature.. With VOIP and stuff now a days, i've been dying to test my skills. We could have a whole network setup for such things.
Anyhow, thank's for the comment. I would never make it publicly known, but it is an interesting take. I know la cops are easy as hell to bribe, so if i ever needed a place to bribe them at it would be here. Funny story, i was at a friends jack shack in alhambra. basic asian massage parlor in a house, 5 girls, all FOB's. I am playing chess with the owner, and of course had to partake the newest japanese girl he got in. I get finished, and go to get a pastrami from the HAT(Good food place.) Some cops come up, and we start talking. Cop's order their food, I order mine, so we both go sit down. They look at my car, look at me, and say "How was she?"
"Excuse me?"
"You obviously don't belong in this area, in that car, with those color eyes and that skin tone. How was she?"
"Sir, I am sicilian/russian. My eyes and skin tone have absolutely nothing to do with where i choose to eat at."
"Look, here are around 15 asian ***** houses here. We know most of them, we get comp's. I just want to know how the new talent is, don't get all defensive."
Cops partner, a japanese american named kim, was getting really pissed at the white cop for saying that, but it made me feel a hell of a lot better, lol. Come to find out from my friend there, they have to pay $10 per every client that comes in a day to a special fund that is collected by a certain cop every week. They do that so they don't get raided, but he said they have to give a place to be raided once every 3-6 months so they set up a patsy house, run it real public like for a while, then have the cops go bust it. I love los angeles.
Chocha Monger
08-04-06, 19:55
We all know that sex is considered to be a very bad and nasty thing in this country though exceptions are made when significant amounts of money are involved; these exceptions involve things like porn and psuedoporn used in marketing by corporations.
However, the latest breastfeeding outrage illustrates the widespread hypocrisy concerning any kind of skin exposure that is not part of the generally accepted canned commercialized sexuality that we are fed everyday. What is even more astounding is how a natural maternal function has been sexualized by the culture. The main biological function of the mammaries is to undergo lactation to feed the young, not to make money at strip clubs or to sucker men into marriage though that well may be a secondary function. Read the article at the following link.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060804/od_afp/afplifestyleussocialbreastfeeding
Sinanju Master
08-04-06, 20:48
I love your idea, but in addition to the CONSERVATIVE whackos mentioned by Havanaman, you would also have to worry about the rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth ultra-left wing feninazis who would "shine a light" on the oppression of the women who would be in your employ. Also, a combination of the two groups would more than likely post the photos or videos of the guys patronizing the place for the general public to see. In my opinion, as far sex is concerned, this country is like a village of ignorant fucks who gather with their pitchforks and torches in order to storm the castle of those who are not like THEM. Also, can you imagine if your establishment got off the ground and the media network of Pat Robertson decided to latch its fangs into your little gold mine? That would be the kerosene he would need to keep his fire and brimstone going.
DJ FourMoney
08-05-06, 07:36
hey guys
just wanted to drop in and say hi. no trips for me anytime soon. maybe in a couple more months.
djfourmoney - thanks for some help you given me but please just take this damn trip already. youve been planning this damn thing for like 8 months now. just take the plunge.
keep well guys.
As with anything its a MONEY issue. I will buy my first of at least 2 tickets (one to get there, one once inside Europe) at the end of the month come heim or high water.
Its a done deal.
Details to follow as my it becomes closer to me actually leaving... Alot still up in the air.
DJ FourMoney
08-05-06, 08:25
I love your idea, but in addition to the CONSERVATIVE whackos mentioned by Havanaman, you would also have to worry about the rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth ultra-left wing feninazis who would "shine a light" on the oppression of the women who would be in your employ. Also, a combination of the two groups would more than likely post the photos or videos of the guys patronizing the place for the general public to see. In my opinion, as far sex is concerned, this country is like a village of ignorant fucks who gather with their pitchforks and torches in order to storm the castle of those who are not like THEM. Also, can you imagine if your establishment got off the ground and the media network of Pat Robertson decided to latch its fangs into your little gold mine? That would be the kerosene he would need to keep his fire and brimstone going.
It can be done. All I can say is, it can't be all high and mighty. It has to be down, dirty and ghetto.
Keep it street and while you might not have the polished imagine you want to project in the media, your clients will know the truth.
Sinanju Master
08-06-06, 00:58
I found out this broad was already married once when she was 18. She's 27 NOW and the wedding is planned for November 11.
Streetlooker
08-10-06, 19:46
The USA already has there form of FKKs. There called strip clubs. Now it seems that a lot of american men are content with spending huge amounts of money on no touch, semi nude lap dances at strip clubs in most cities around the country. Millions of male patrons crowd these places every night and all seem rather content. I mean these places are makeing millions and they don't offer anything but a tease. I don't get it? Why the hell do these guys spend 100s if not 1000s of dollars on a tease. The american male needs to wake up and stop being content with lap dances from girl who care nothing for you and demand that places excist for them to get sexual relief Like our european and asian brothers. Its not going to happen though But I don;t give into the lap dance fund.
Sinanju Master
08-10-06, 22:54
Many of the guys that have you scratching your head don't know any better. They don't know that on other shores exists MUCH BETTER pickings and that they don't have to be slaves to the hypocrisy of American Women or to put up with the stranglehold on the pussy supply that they have created and enjoy to our detriment. Welcome aboard!
DJ FourMoney
08-10-06, 23:25
Many of the guys that have you scratching your head don't know any better. They don't know that on other shores exists MUCH BETTER pickings and that they don't have to be slaves to the hypocrisy of American Women or to put up with the stranglehold on the pussy supply that they have created and enjoy to our detriment. Welcome aboard!
What's even better is these guys also think you being a monger, sex tourist, international traveler that bangs overseas honeys, et all; that your desperate and have "no game".
I gave up on US strip clubs frankly when the talent level started to go south. Since these are often breeding grounds for up and coming porn vid talent, the influx of women that move to Cali in hopes of directly going to porn and bypassing the "dancer" stage of their careers has had an effect on the quality of woman being employed by such establishments.
Last time I went several years ago, the talent was horrible compared to the late 90's IMHO. I could pick up these girls at the local mall if they didn't have their noses so far up in the air and that's when it all hit me that even the average looking women demand "princess" treatment from men and often get it...
An American FKK could work, somebody just has to have the nutz to do it.
Sinanju Master
08-11-06, 00:03
Back in early to mid '98, I was doing a LOT of research into the possibility of actually opening a strip club in my metropolitan area, but the close-minded Bible-thumping peasantry was a HUGE factor that entered into the equation. The god-damned MAYOR even killed the possibility of an already established New York strip club from setting roots down here, 'cos he HEARD RUMOR of mob ties. I'm certain he didn't even actually look into it, but that was enough to bring down the guillotine on the idea. To add to THAT, there are a couple of popular strip clubs on a very popular (an actually upscale and civil) street that have had their renewal requests denied for their leases. I can hear the marching of the boots of the feminazis even as we speak... To pull it off, one would have to have a LOT of luck and a LOT of lawyers willing to go to bat for you. Battling the forces of the Anti-Sex League (a little "1984" reference for those of you who have taken the time to read said book) would be taxing upon even the most SUCCESSFUL enterprise. What citizen sitting on his ass at home is gonna deny a little girl crying (on cue) about the "evil" that such an establishment could bring upon their neighborhood? I saw such a telecast a few years ago and the acting by this little faker was hilarious! That's how LOW the Religious WRONG is willing to go. Instead of arguing the point on merit, they will circumvent that and use their kids to GUILT you into denying said enterprise. Don't get me wrong; if such a venture succeeded, I'd be a regular customer. However, I enjoy my anonymity and I don't want it compromised by some fucker who wants to bash a bible over my head and tell me I'm wrong and he's RIGHT.
I mean these places are makeing millions and they don't offer anything but a tease. I don't get it? Why the hell do these guys spend 100s if not 1000s of dollars on a tease. The american male needs to wake up and stop being content with lap dances from girl who care nothing for you and demand that places excist for them to get sexual relief
I agree.......I just can't understand the American fascination over Strip Clubs. These strippers often call the guys who frequent these clubs walking ATM machines i.e suckers. It's all one big tease and in the end you end up going home with nothing to show except a much lighter wallet.
DJ FourMoney
08-11-06, 00:58
Back in early to mid '98, I was doing a LOT of research into the possibility of actually opening a strip club in my metropolitan area, but the close-minded Bible-thumping peasantry was a HUGE factor that entered into the equation. The god-damned MAYOR even killed the possibility of an already established New York strip club from setting roots down here, 'cos he HEARD RUMOR of mob ties. I'm certain he didn't even actually look into it, but that was enough to bring down the guillotine on the idea. To add to THAT, there are a couple of popular strip clubs on a very popular (an actually upscale and civil) street that have had their renewal requests denied for their leases. I can hear the marching of the boots of the feminazis even as we speak... To pull it off, one would have to have a LOT of luck and a LOT of lawyers willing to go to bat for you. Battling the forces of the Anti-Sex League (a little "1984" reference for those of you who have taken the time to read said book) would be taxing upon even the most SUCCESSFUL enterprise. What citizen sitting on his ass at home is gonna deny a little girl crying (on cue) about the "evil" that such an establishment could bring upon their neighborhood? I saw such a telecast a few years ago and the acting by this little faker was hilarious! That's how LOW the Religious WRONG is willing to go. Instead of arguing the point on merit, they will circumvent that and use their kids to GUILT you into denying said enterprise. Don't get me wrong; if such a venture succeeded, I'd be a regular customer. However, I enjoy my anonymity and I don't want it compromised by some fucker who wants to bash a bible over my head and tell me I'm wrong and he's RIGHT.
This is the wrong forum for the reply I have, go over to the Mortality Of P4P board and check out my reply there...
There is a young lady I work with. She's 21, and pretty with big whopping monster tits. Consequently she has had every man in her life throwing themselves at her feet, and she has an unbelieveable princess mentality.
She also has a severely overdeveloped case of the "hot boys, hot boys" thing. Guys who she doesn't consider "hot" (pretty, rich, sexy, "bad and exciting"), barely register with her as HUMAN, let alone as potential dating partners.
I'm very glad to report that she today got shit on and DUMPED, Some guy (doubtless a rich prettyboy asshole, who can pick and choose among 20 girls at any given time) literally told her that he was deleting her phone number, and she couldn't call him anymore.
I'm sure that after throwing her little snatch at these guys for a couple of years, she will decide that "men suck".....it's all our fault as a gender after all
B9k
Back in early to mid '98, I was doing a LOT of research into the possibility of actually opening a strip club in my metropolitan area, but the close-minded Bible-thumping peasantry was a HUGE factor that entered into the equation.
Well, I've never looked into opening a strip club myself, but am curious about how one goes about doing it (not going to do it myself though!) Instead of posting a report, I think I'll just ask a couple general questions that no one's ever really been able to answer for me:
1. Obviously, trying to open up a strip club in a bible-thumping section of the U.S. is not the way to go. And even though this country seems more puritanical than ever, there are still "pockets of resistance". Just to prove my point, the first strip clubs I ever went to in this country were in San Francisco, the most frequented being Mitchell Brothers O'Farrell Theater. There, one could grab ass and fondle tits without having a bouncer throw you out, and once inside the private rooms, negotiations for hand jobs, blow jobs and sex began (depending on the dancer, of course). Haven't been back in a few years, but I've heard it's still more or less the same. So, my point is it all depends on where you're located. Now the question I have for the entrepreneurs on this board is this: has anyone ever looked into what it takes to open up a brothel in the one state where you actually can? Why hasn't an establishment like an FKK or a Termas (Rio) opened up somewhere in NEVADA? Just put the money issue aside for a second, and focus on the possibility of it for now (pretend you have an unlimited amount of cash if you want). Again, sorry if this is a stupid question, but I'm genuinely interested in any answers guys may have on here...
2. Now lets assume my plan for the Terma-style club in Carson City doesn't work out. Luckily, the U.S is not an island; and those of us that are lucky enough, depending on where we live, can make a drive to either Canada or Mexico. I'm not going to ask about Canada, since I've never mongered there, but I have been to TJ, and am familiar with the P4P down there. IMHO, it's pretty disappointing, but still better than anything in the U.S. So, why hasn't someone opened up a quality club there (again, like a Terma, for example), or anywhere else on the US-Mexico border? Obviously, prostitution is allowed in designated red light areas, so that's not the problem. It seems like a business savvy American (or Mexican, I guess) could really clean up with a high quality club, and flying to San Diego is a lot cheaper and easier than flying to Rio or BKK. Again, let's leave out money for a second and just focus on whether it's even viable. And if this is a stupid question, again, I apologize...
Not sure if this is the right thread for this post, but since I'm replying to one of Sinanju's posts I guess I'll just leave it here. If Jackson thinks it should be put somewhere else (Prostitution business ideas, perhaps lol), he can move it if he wishes...
Sinanju Master
08-11-06, 02:37
SF is and always HAS BEEN apart from such religious nonsense. It's pretty much an area of free thinkers and a "live and let live" attitude. However, there are pockets of the country (the SOUTH, for example) where if you are not of the prevailing religion, then you are suspect.
Money must ALWAYS be an issue because you will have to defend yourself in court against some ******* who feels it is his civic duty to rid the community of the "filth" that your enterprise represents. Defending yourself means LAWYERS. They are sharks in and of their own right and will represent a SUBSTANTIAL portion of your operating expenses in order to STAY in business.
A strip club would be easier to operate and keep open than a FKK, because if ONE customer decides to be an asshole, he could alert the constabulary and they would send in someone undercover to bust it up. I've kept abreast of such activity occurring in Florida. The owner of the club in question is slipperier than an eel and has always prevailed, but that doesn't dampen the resolve of the RELIGIOUS WRONG. You wouldn't BELIEVE the bullshit rules the city in question have imposed upon the club. Also, GET THIS; in a meeting of the public and city council, a stripper of said club once busted on a member of the city council, stating specifically that he was a regular customer of the club he was attempting to shut down.
DJ FourMoney
08-11-06, 02:49
Well, I've never looked into opening a strip club myself, but am curious about how one goes about doing it (not going to do it myself though!) Instead of posting a report, I think I'll just ask a couple general questions that no one's ever really been able to answer for me:
1. Obviously, trying to open up a strip club in a bible-thumping section of the U.S. is not the way to go. And even though this country seems more puritanical than ever, there are still "pockets of resistance". Just to prove my point, the first strip clubs I ever went to in this country were in San Francisco, the most frequented being Mitchell Brothers O'Farrell Theater. There, once could grab ass and fondle tits without having a bouncer throw you out, and once inside the private rooms, negotiations for hand jobs, blow jobs and sex began (depending on the dancer, of course). Haven't been back in a few years, but I've heard it's still more or less the same. So, my point is it all depends on where you're located. Now the question I have for the entrepreneurs on this board is this: has anyone ever looked into what it takes to open up a brothel in the one state where you actually can? Why hasn't an establishment like an FKK or a Termas (Rio) opened up somewhere in NEVADA? Just put the money issue aside for a second, and focus on the possibility of it for now (pretend you have an unlimited amount of cash if you want). Again, sorry if this is a stupid question, but I'm genuinely interested in any answers guys may have on here...
2. Now lets assume my plan for the Terma-style club in Carson City doesn't work out. Luckily, the U.S is not an island; and those of us that are lucky enough, depending on where we live, can make a drive to either Canada or Mexico. I'm not going to ask about Canada, since I've never mongered there, but I have been to TJ, and am familiar with the P4P down there. IMHO, it's pretty disappointing, but still better than anything in the U.S. So, why hasn't someone opened up a quality club there (again, like a Terma, for example), or anywhere else on the US-Mexico border? Obviously, prostitution is allowed in designated red light areas, so that's not the problem. It seems like a business savvy Mexican (or American, I guess) could really clean up with a high quality club, and flying to San Diego is a lot cheaper and easier than flying to Rio or BKK. Again, let's leave out money for a second and just focus on whether it's even viable. And if this is a stupid question, again, I apologize...
Not sure if this is the right thread for this post, but since I'm replying to one of Sinanju's posts I guess I'll just leave it here. If Jackson thinks it should be put somewhere else (Prostitution business ideas, perhaps lol), he can move it if he wishes...
Lack of knowledge is mostly the reason. The brothel industry in Nevada hasn't had a new idea since the Hover Dam was built. Basically the thought is - "If it ain't broke..."
They get an influx of women from Southern California usually those that wouldn't do well vs. the high priced talent in this area. Or women from markets with plenty of providers but hardly any high paying consumers.
How Dennis got the powers that be at HBO to have an actual SERIES about his brothel is beyond me. That is the new puritan thinking you have in America at work.
Anyway, a Terma style brothel in Nevada would blow the lid off its competition in minutes!
When word got out that you didn't have to fly down to Brazil or out to Europe or Thailand to get PSE and GFE at reasonable prices and the girls make PLENTY of money and are happy, you couldn't stop the men from coming in and the women from trying to work there...
Why somebody hasn't done it is beyond me and like I said, I think its safer to just copy what others are doing, instead of striking out on your own and putting monster money into your brothel and being unsure of your return if you do so.
That's what stops the current brothels from being 4 star resorts they could be given the money available in America...
Chocha Monger
08-11-06, 02:53
So, why hasn't someone opened up a quality club there (again, like a Terma, for example), or anywhere else on the US-Mexico border? Obviously, prostitution is allowed in designated red light areas, so that's not the problem. It seems like a business savvy Mexican (or American, I guess) could really clean up with a high quality club, and flying to San Diego is a lot cheaper and easier than flying to Rio or BKK. Again, let's leave out money for a second and just focus on whether it's even viable. And if this is a stupid question, again, I apologize...
There is usually a lot more beneath the surface than it seems. In places like Mexico it not simply a question of the law saying that you can open a club and then doing it. In order to get the legal wheels turning you must grease them first, and that means paying a number of corrupt officials tamales/mordidas (bribes) just to get them to do their jobs in the first place.
Competing establishments have been there longer than you and therefore have better connections. They have no interest in seeing you succeed and will likely make it difficult if not impossible for you.
Then there is the security issue. The narcos might think that your establishment is a good retail outlet for their wares and you will have to find a way of keeping them out without getting caught up in one of their wars.
There are also chica management and liquor license issues. I guess guys with enough money to start a venture like that figure that there are easier ways to make money without all the headaches.
Sinanju Master
08-11-06, 03:50
Opening and running a strip club comes with a lot of problems. Among them are:
- Dishonest employees who will rip you off.
- Prima Donna dancers who may be unreliable
- Competition who will try their best to destroy you
- the Public (as discussed before)
- Law enforcement
- the infiltration of drugs into your club,
which will give the public the excuse to get LE involved
The average strip club (as of 1998) pulls in about $5M a year. One VERY successful strip club was the Gold Club in Atlanta. I went there before it was raided because of prostitution issues (with a LOT of sports celebrites) and a host of other problems. The Gold Club raked in $20M a year. The owner was incarcerated (for tax issues, also, I believe) and it is now under new management. There are other successful clubs in Atlanta (the South, mind you), but they all have access to quality legal help. They seem to have worked out the bugs inherent to the business, BUT remember, if you are the new kid on the block, THEY are your competition. They will have the advantage of reputation, length of time in the business and resources. DON’T get me wrong guys, I’d LOVE to see a small, upstart club make it big on the merit of their service, but KNOW what you’re getting into before the business sucks your money faster than an AW intent on making you pay for the lobster dinner without the intent of reciprocating.
Streetlooker
08-11-06, 08:17
The other day I was at a strip club for the 1st time in a long time. I just walked in to have a beer. I still like to look at a good lookin gal and have a beer every once in a while so I go on happy hr when theres no door charge. I like to go in and check out all the guys spending money for dances a LOL at them thinking none of them could ever have been to any decent mongering destination.(THAILAND,PHILS, COSTA RICA or BRAZIL) If they have theres no way they spend 20 bucks on a 3 min Non touch, sit on your hands LAP tease. I really have to feel sorry for them in a way cause they know nothing better. We have a club here near where I live thats 40 bucks US for a total nude VIP ROOM lap tease and this place is always packed. This strip club obsession is the reason why no FFK type clubs will ever make it to the US shores. Theres no reason to FUCK a guy for 100 when you can just dance for him with limits on any touching for 10 minutes for a 100. And these gals are total stuck ups most of them. Fact is in the 25minutes I was there in the club I had 3 gals walk right up to me and ask point blank. WANT A DANCE??? No HI My name is so and so how are you? whats your name?? I thought you know these girls know nothing about selling a GFE to you and they hit you right at your money. All 3 without fail when I said Thanks but no thinks just walked away and that was that. WOW
Criminalization of prostitution in the US is a relatively recent development. Until approx 1910 it was generally treated as no more than a misdemeanor, and more often than not simply ignored. Between 1910 and 1920 every state passed laws regulating, mostly banning, sex for hire. This coincided with the successful campaign to allow women to vote, passed in 1920.
I'd say that coincidence is exactly the kind of thing this forum is all about.
Strip joints, massage parlors, escort services, etc. are all second rate attempts to circumvent the law prohibiting the plain old brothel. As is always the case with making something illegal, the price goes up and the quality goes down.
In case you hadn't noticed, America is a very strange place.
Hardbag,
You touched on the KEY point why there are no legal FKK style clubs in the US. It's because women don't want them. They oppose anything that even sounds like prostitution...... and when there's some man opposing it, you can bet he's got a woman standing behind him making sure he says what she wants to hear.
That's why P4P is where it is. It's hard to get any benefit by supporting the idea, but it's easy to benefit (socially and politically) by opposing the idea.
I don't think it will ever be completely eliminated, because there is simply too much demand by men with money to spend. Even with strip clubs siphoning off a lot of the money, there's still a lot of guys that want full contact and are unwilling to settle for such an unsatisfying substitute as a strip club.
Rock
Ive said it a few times that strip clubs are degrading to men.The reason they still exist is because women can benefit from them.Maybe not all women agree with this but too many make a good living at it.Besides the money there is no contact and full time security watching their back thats something any ***** would appreciate.I assume some might have to give it up to the bouncers or club owners but what a small price to pay for a cash business.I dont hear too many stories of women being forced to stay.More than likely they would only need to service one or two men compared to several as a full contact prostitute.
I have heard there are still sleazy strip clubs in the deep south with mainly a black clientel.Can anyone verify this? 10 years ago in south florida I used to go to a few sleazy biker bars with chunky sluts that would work your bone for $10 they all had vanished or super sized the last time I was there.
Hardbarg,
All that also coincides with Prohibition, the federal laws outlawing alcohol.
CBGBConnisur
08-14-06, 07:54
If you live in North America, you don't have to go very far to get off, our northern neighbor, Canada, has some fine places for p4p, Montreal is the sex capital of North America, and is consistently ranked among the top ten cities in the world to meet beautiful women. Vancouver is another good spot. There is also the Caribbean and Mexico. Spending the last half a decade in Australia, for the long run Aussie women are just as bad as their American counterparts, they will rarely commit themselves to a relationship, although some might be fun in the beginning, in the long run, they get old, fat, ugly, and nasty after a while.
Chocha Monger
08-14-06, 15:20
CBGB,
It's been a while since you posted. The guys were beginning to think that one of those Aussie sharks, the terrestrial kind, got you. It's pretty much like when you buy that new car; the flawless paint and the distinct fragrance of new upholstery can be estatic. However, a few years down the road you can be left feeling cheated, wondering why you shelled out all that loot for such a heap. :D
Chocha Monger
08-15-06, 09:00
"What you get: Delicious wet panties - Used panties that have been worn and then rubbed into me while I'm wet. These will be vacuum packed then sent to you in a plain looking envelope. Your privacy is always respected. Cost: 35.USD"
WTF? I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw this one. Thirty-five dollars to smell some old bird's yeast encrusted drawers! Yes that's right, an old buzzard. I hope you didn't think that you were going to get to sniff some 18 yr old skank's drawers for $35 because it would probably cost $200. No dear fellows, Connie is pushing 50+ yrs and still thinks men should pay just to get a whiff of that postmenopausal poon. Hey this is America!
Angus Magee
08-15-06, 09:38
WTF? I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw this one. Thirty-five dollars to smell some old bird's yeast encrusted drawers! Yes that's right, an old buzzard. I hope you didn't think that you were going to get to sniff some 18 yr old skank's drawers for $35 because it would probably cost $200. No dear fellows, Connie is pushing 50+ yrs and still thinks men should pay just to get a whiff of that postmenopausal poon. Hey this is America!
Hey-as you say-This is America-land of free enterprise. If Connie can fetch that price for her used panties who are we to complain.
But really Japan is the driving force behind the used panty market.
http://www.kontraband.com/show/show.asp?ID=1259&rtn=main-topten
In light of this I would settle for Connie's product...
Sinanju Master
08-15-06, 09:56
<Falls to knees vomiting VIOLENTLY>
I happened to be on a metro train headed for the airport when this ugly, fugly AW hefer jumped on board the train with her three loud kids in tow (age range 3-5yrs). I don't like calling people ugly, but she looked hideous, she must have weighed close to 300#.. Her upper arms were bigger than my thighs. I had to ask myself what guy in their right mind would want to do the bedroom lambada with this woman. Unfortunately it seems that alot of American guys are so desparate that they will settle for any thing that walks thru' the door pussy wide open. Folks we've got to start thinking with the main head and not the small head down below. I have no doubt this woman's SO will be in a world of hurt for the rest of his life.
There's something that I've noticed a lot of lately. There seems to be a lot of younger guys dating older women. We're not talking cougars here. These are guys in their early 20's up to maybe somewhere in their 30's. A lot of them seem to be dating women that are between 3 to 7 years older.
That's not really a very big gap.... but it used to be that the guy was ALWAYS at least the same age or a couple of years older. Many of these women have one or two kids already and not many of them are that attractive. The one common thread that seems to unite the guys in these relationships is that none of them are making very much $$$.
My guess is they just want to get laid. The women aren't getting a guy who's making very much, but this is partly compensated by the fact that he's younger than the other guys they were with before. Chances are, quite a few of these party mamas are divorced and collecting support from the ex. Therefore, the only thing they want from their current relationship is a good fuck..... marrying the new guy would mean the end of the free money supply from the ex.
Kind of sad to see the kind of twisted male/female relationships that are evolving in today's warped social environment.
Rock
Sinanju Master
08-17-06, 02:09
that means that she's fucking TWO guys instead of just ONE... While I'd be happy to be enjoying the benefits without the responsibilities, knowing that my fun comes at the expense of another guy who may be an innocent schmoe who's simply trying to maintain a relationship with his kids while the situation is being held hostage by the broad would trouble my conscience somewhat...
I have a counter-offer for Connie.
Instead of money, I'll trade her some of MY used underwear. I'll make sure she gets the pair with the big ole skidmark!
Whattya say Connie....Even trade?
:D
Rock
Chocha Monger
08-17-06, 03:32
Rock,
You can check out Connie at Conniespanties dot com and send your counter offer. I'm sure she'd be thrilled to whiff some relatively young manflesh. Like you said, these old birds love young hard cocks. They can't get enough of it while the older ex-hubby gets to pay the bills.
The older woman deal is not too bad for the younger guy providing he gets the following:
1. An older woman who doesn't try to pressure him into marriage and adopting the kids.
2. He is not expected to support her and her kids.
3. Pussy is still usable with a bit of KY Jelly, Astroglide or Stay Wet.
4. She sucks a mean cock after having spent many years in the trenches.
5. He isn't expected to play the role of surrogate father.
6. She doesn't carry too much bile and venom from her previous marriages.
7. The relationship doesn't preclude hot young action on the side.
8. She doesn't go all clingy and pscho on him (boiling his rabbit, pouring acid on his car and such).
9. She doesn't want, or better yet can't, have more kids.
10. The titties aren't too torn up from suckling the young.
It isn't uncommon to find younger guys with older chicks in Latin America. Why? Well, hot young pussy is easy to get, usually poor and ready to bolt when a better deal shows up. Older Latin chicks are a bit more predictable and loyal; plus with P4P and mistresses readily available in the culture the younger guys probably don't feel like they're missing out on anything.
Compare that to the US where the piece of ass that you marry is the only piece you're expected to get until death or ruinous divorce. The little P4P available is expensive, hit and miss, and very risky; not to mention if you get caught screwing a hooker the judge will bludgeon you to death with the book instead of just sodmozing you with his gavel in divorce court.
Chocha Monger
08-18-06, 18:11
Here is an interesting article from an American who went to Brazil but supposedly did not monger. http://www.slate.com/id/2147712/entry/2147710/?GT1=8483
Chocha,
I always get a big laugh when I read one of those "News Stories" where some guy goes off to report on the "terrible and shameful things" that are going on out there in the world. The best part is how they always have to make the disclaimer as to how they didn't ever partake of said activities.
Yeah right! A healthy heterosexual man on the loose in Brazil with his significant other back home 2 thousand miles away...... and he kept it in his pants the whole time? Naw man, any man that has a pair of functioning testes would be all over that situation!
There's a local paper here called the Winnipeg Sun. About a year ago, the parent company of the paper sent a couple of guys to the Dominican Republic for a week...... to do that same old story. They showed pics of 40 and 50 year old white guys hooking up with beautiful young Dominican girls. They even tried to work some kind of child prostitution angle with the headlines but, after reading the articles carefully, one noticed that they never came up with even a single example. I guess scandalous headlines sell more papers.
The funniest part was where these guys said they went to a bar, met some girls before they even got inside. Then they went to the girls place, negotiated a price........ and backed out!!! Explaining to the girls that they were merely there to do REPORTING. It gets even better.... they claimed to have paid the girls the negotiated price just for telling their story. HAW!
Here's what I think REALLY happened. 2 Canadian reporters land in DR. The trip and hotel are paid for.... and these 2 no doubt brought a little "spending money" of their own. They then meet up with some girls, exactly as reported. They then take them back to the hotel where they proceed to fuck their brains out. This is only natural since these guys probably never experienced quality pussy of this sort. After a satisfying, life-changing, mind-altering all night session..... they take the girls story down the next morning. This series of events probably gets repeated a couple more times before our 2 "heroes" return home.
The point of this post? I guess it all comes down to my intense dislike for hypocrisy, which I feel is one of the worst forms of lying.
Rock
ps. This guy goes to Brazil, ends up in HELP.... and then tells a hot young babe that he can't be unfaithful to his AW girlfriend back home? Yeah right.
all over the media about this (i must admit) creepy looking guy who claims to have raped drugged and killed her. has a history in possessing kiddie porn, getting fired for inappropriate behavior to the girls etc. i don't know about his guilt in this; my comments are on the media.
he was arrested in thailand where he was working as a teacher. the media is using this sensationalized story as a springboard to "investigate" all about the sex tourism industry, of course with the assumption that it's all about finding **** girls. so their desire is to paint any guy going to a place as los as a child molester and exploiter. notice not a word about the fat ugly old cows going to haiti, cuba, or jamaica to score some young flesh.
about jonbenet ramsey: she was a 5 y.o. "beauty queen", her parents obsessively entering her in all those disgusting pageants. videos show her prancing around sexually suggestively in showgirl outfits. i see no difference between this and kiddie porn, as to the harm it does to those involved and the society in general. kinda ironic, as the hotbed for these contests is in the south, the bible belt.
Was scoping out some of the local escort ads when I came across this one. At first, it looked like some kind of a joke.... and then I realized how high some people's expectations can go.
Here, if you can believe it, is the ad for an escort named Chanel:
I'm a young, drama-free, classy, athletic, intelligent lady who loves to cuddle, be affectionate, and give you the full GFE -girlfriend experience you deserve.
RATES:
My rates are non-negotiable and non-refundable for time and companionship. (Serious inquires only, please respect my time as I will respect yours & have pre-counted donation in an unsealed envelope placed on table or in glass candy dish before pleasure within the first few minutes of our meeting.
---IN WINNIPEG---
**ADDITIONAL $50.00 FOR GREEK**
**ADDITIONAL $100.00 FOR BBBJ MUST BE VERY CLEAN AND NO INTENSE ODOUR (NO CIM & FACIALS)**
**ADDITIONAL $150.00 FOR BONDAGE & DOMINATION**
10-30MIN QUICKES ONLY---$200.00CAD/USD
1.0 HOUR-----$250.00CAD/USD
1.5 HOURS----$350.00CAD/USD
2.0 HOURS----$450.00CAD/USD
2.5 HOURS----$600.00CAD/USD
3.0 HOURS----$750.00CAD/USD (GREEK/BBBJ/BON&DOM FREE ONLY FOR 3.0+ HOUR APPOINTMENTS)
3.5 HOURS----$900.00CAD/USD
4.0 HOURS----$1,050.00CAD/USD
4.5 HOURS----$1,200.00CAD/USD
5.0 HOURS----$1,350.00CAD/USD
5.5 HOURS----$1,500.00CAD/USD
6.0 HOURS----$1,650.00CAD/USD ($150.00CAD/USD FOR EACH ADDITIONAL 30MINUTES & $250.00CAD/USD FOR EACH ADDITIONAL HOUR)
12.0 HOURS OR OVERNIGHT----$3,000.00CAD/USD
1 DAY----$6,000.00CAD/USD
And..... just in case you felt like Chanel wasn't being fairly compensated for her time, she gives the following hint:
Gifts and surprises are always appreciated. Here are a few hints for gifts:**
- Workout clothes
- Lingerie and undergarments
- Scented oils, lotions, soaps, bubble bath, and gift certificates from the Body Shop and LUSH
- Gift certificates for online shopping at Victoria Secret, Fredricks of Hollywood, Venus Swimwear, La Senza, La Vie En Rose, LuLu Lemon, Foot Locker, The Running Room, Under Armour.ca, Chapters, Coles The Book People, and McNally Robinson.
- House of Dereon, Dolce&Gabbana, Prada, Gucci, Louis Vuitton, Versace, Hugo Boss, Marc Jacobs, Chanel, La Perla.
Oh by the way...... Chanel doesn't want guys in other countries to be deprived of a chance to spend a little time (and a lot of money) with her. For guys in USA, Asia, Europe and Australia she gives the following offer:
---FLY ME TO YOU IN OTHER USA/TROPICAL LOCATIONS---
1 DAY-----------------$12,000.00USD
2 DAYS/WEEKEND--------$18,000.00USD
3 DAYS/LONG WEEKEND---$24,000.00USD
4 DAYS----------------$30,000.00USD
5 DAYS----------------$36,000.00USD
7 DAYS----------------$42,000.00USD
---FLY ME TO YOU IN EUROPE---
1 DAY------------------$6,000.00GBP
2 DAYS/WEEKEND---------$12,000.00GBP
3 DAYS/LONG WEEKEND----$18,000.00GBP
4 DAYS-----------------$24,000.00GBP
5 DAYS-----------------$30,000.00GBP
7 DAYS-----------------$42,000.00GBP
---FLY ME TO YOU IN ASIA---
1 DAY------------------$6,000.00GBP
2 DAYS/WEEKEND---------$12,000.00GBP
3 DAYS/LONG WEEKEND----$18,000.00GBP
4 DAYS-----------------$24,000.00GBP
5 DAYS-----------------$30,000.00GBP
7 DAYS-----------------$42,000.00GBP
---FLY ME TO YOU IN AUSTRALIA---
1 DAY------------------$20,000.00AUD
2 DAYS/WEEKEND---------$30,000.00AUD
3 DAYS/LONG WEEKEND----$40,000.00AUD
4 DAYS-----------------$50,000.00AUD
5 DAYS-----------------$60,000.00AUD
7 DAYS-----------------$70,000.00AUD
Has anybody else here ever seen anything like this? Are there actually guys out there who would blow that kind of coin on some pussy? Is there any pussy in the whole wide world that is worth that much money?
Comments?
Rock
Sinanju Master
08-19-06, 23:46
This beeyatch must be fucking CRAZY! What's so sad is that an AM is gonna take her up on it. Like Eddie Murphy said in "Raw", if the oceans roared, if the mountains crumbled, etc. NO PUSSY is worth THAT MUCH". (Just a LITTLE parahrasing, since I don't have the vid on my person). I must say that I was astonished at how much she valued herself. Or shall I say how FULL of herself she was? IF I found out the identity of the guy caving into this bullshit in order to be with her, I'd be tempted to smack him upside the head, kidnap him and force him to read the posts on this site until he saw the light.
yogin: yeah, that's strange shit with kiddy beauty contests. hard to know what to make of it. turns out i stayed in blooms where that guy was holed up. there are lots of transients in places like bangkok and pattaya where i went afterwards.
i spent my time in pattaya drinking in the dogs bollox, a good spot to watch football. every time pattaya makes the uk papers, numbers go up as the word goes out on the street that cheap pussy is available.
i commuted between the dogs bollox and lek hotel. some birds drink too much like the uk roses but overall after being in thailand, uk birds are for the birds. fat, drink and eat too much, fucking disgusting inside and out.
one of the birds i banged told me she had plenty of lady customers. strap ons, [CodeWord101] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord101) and tight purses (pussies the size of the grand canyon like their arses). hard to appreciate western women after that.
Here, if you can believe it, is the ad for an escort named Chanel:
I'm a young, drama-free, classy, athletic, intelligent lady who loves to cuddle, be affectionate, and give you the full GFE -girlfriend experience you deserve.
RATES:
My rates are non-negotiable and non-refundable for time and companionship. (Serious inquires only, please respect my time as I will respect yours & have pre-counted donation in an unsealed envelope placed on table or in glass candy dish before pleasure within the first few minutes of our meeting.
---IN WINNIPEG---
**ADDITIONAL $50.00 FOR GREEK**
**ADDITIONAL $100.00 FOR BBBJ MUST BE VERY CLEAN AND NO INTENSE ODOUR (NO CIM & FACIALS)**
**ADDITIONAL $150.00 FOR BONDAGE & DOMINATION**
10-30MIN QUICKES ONLY---$200.00CAD/USD
1.0 HOUR-----$250.00CAD/USD
1.5 HOURS----$350.00CAD/USD
2.0 HOURS----$450.00CAD/USD
2.5 HOURS----$600.00CAD/USD
3.0 HOURS----$750.00CAD/USD
Has anybody else here ever seen anything like this? Are there actually guys out there who would blow that kind of coin on some pussy? Is there any pussy in the whole wide world that is worth that much money?
Comments?
Rock
To answer your questions, unfortunately the answers are yes.
Let me first say that I would probably never deal with this woman. Way to much attitude, and I also agree she is overpriced - but I know where to do better. That being said, I'm afraid your shock is a little misplaced.
First, for what it's worth, I don't think she's very bright. Current rates:
1 Canadian Dollar (CAD) = 0.88803 US Dollar (USD)
So if you pay in CAD you're getting an 11% discount. That brings her price down to $222 US / hr. Find an ATM. If she knew what she was doing she'd never quote both currencies the same.
I did a quick internet search and found this on one of the Nevada web sites, just as an example.
View Poll Results: My last party, I paid per hour:
$200.....................7....11.11%
$300...................13....20.63%
$400...................16....25.40%
$500.....................6.....9.52%
More than $500....18...28.57%
$1000 or more.......3.....4.76%
Amazingly enough, she's actually a bargain. You should never underestimate how desperate and stupid American men can be, at least the one's in Vegas.
Hardbag,
It's true that, by the hour, her rates aren't completely mad. However, if you look at the whole post and see the "hints" for gifts..... and her weekly rates. 42,000 GBP? Last time I checked, that worked out to around $80,000.
For $80k I could take 6 months off of work and shag dozens of women in different countries all over the world. A years pay for one week of access to one womans pussy?
Insane.
Rock
Rok:
I'm not arguing with you. My take is that publishing such an extensive price list makes this bimbo seem just a bit self-absorbed, and kind of tightly wound, to put it gently. But - she is priced competitively for the US, on the short end anyways. The problem is she's gonna get takers.
Streetlooker
08-21-06, 06:10
For 80,000 US Dollars I could live about 2-3 years in Thailand or the Phils or Brazil I am sure of it.
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