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Brain666

08-26-06, 02:17

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5 DAYS-----------------$60,000.00AUD
7 DAYS-----------------$70,000.00AUD

Comments?

Rock

There are some extremely high class agencies available for CEO's etc, where as well customers and the girls get an extreme screening by an agency (outside US), and probably the girls get even trained.

In this high end circle the newcomers start with about 1500-2500 $ and the top end can reach for about 5000 $ on daily rates and only certain exceptions might get more. In this top class there are only daily rates and there is always a discount the longer the stay is.

All financial transfer is going discretely and anonymous by swift transfer outside US (the best is from outside to outside). So no risk for getting involved with anti prostitution laws. If you are a newcommer, cash transfer is even in advance.
But the girls will be reliable and will deliver extraordinery sex services as well as they are top educated women, beeing able to manage every public or social event and nobody would ever assume a prostitute behind.
You would get your money back in case of trouble. But agency will avoid any of that trouble by girl selection. But you have to qualify as a customer as well as the girl.

The girl here is just fishing for some idiot, probably with no intension to deliver appropriate services and no High class customer (hey the guys with that much money are no idiots and know and expect value for money in this class as well) would ever consider a longer stay, having much better opprtunities as described above..
- No serious top provider from a top agency would ever offer a quicky rate 10-30 minutes for whatever price.
- No serious top provider would ever write a menu card for optional sex services on a webpage. This is a deal with the customer and if the girl e.g. doesn't provide anal, then it's simply mentioned by the agency during the booking process.
- completely bullshit that a more then 1 day sessions is still counted in 30 min slots. She will watch only the time instead of delivering services.

So with this add she will only get customers in the 30 min to 2h quickie's sessions.
High class is a different environment and will not work without a professional discretional agency.

Somebudy out there who risks the 200 $ to prove her?

regards

Brain666

CBGBConnisur

08-26-06, 10:01

There are some extremely high class agencies available for CEO's etc, where as well customers and the girls get an extreme screening by an agency (outside US), and probably the girls get even trained.

In this high end circle the newcomers start with about 1500-2500 $ and the top end can reach for about 5000 $ on daily rates and only certain exceptions might get more. In this top class there are only daily rates and there is always a discount the longer the stay is.

All financial transfer is going discretely and anonymous by swift transfer outside US (the best is from outside to outside). So no risk for getting involved with anti prostitution laws. If you are a newcommer, cash transfer is even in advance.
But the girls will be reliable and will deliver extraordinery sex services as well as they are top educated women, beeing able to manage every public or social event and nobody would ever assume a prostitute behind.
You would get your money back in case of trouble. But agency will avoid any of that trouble by girl selection. But you have to qualify as a customer as well as the girl.

The girl here is just fishing for some idiot, probably with no intension to deliver appropriate services and no High class customer (hey the guys with that much money are no idiots and know and expect value for money in this class as well) would ever consider a longer stay, having much better opprtunities as described above..
- No serious top provider from a top agency would ever offer a quicky rate 10-30 minutes for whatever price.
- No serious top provider would ever write a menu card for optional sex services on a webpage. This is a deal with the customer and if the girl e.g. doesn't provide anal, then it's simply mentioned by the agency during the booking process.
- completely bullshit that a more then 1 day sessions is still counted in 30 min slots. She will watch only the time instead of delivering services.

So with this add she will only get customers in the 30 min to 2h quickie's sessions.
High class is a different environment and will not work without a professional discretional agency.

Somebudy out there who risks the 200 $ to prove her?

regards

Brain666
Escorts always market themselves as upscale *****s, personally speaking in countries with legal brothels and prostitution plenty of inexpensive and high quality services are available and easy to find. I have used escorts and incalls in Montreal, and found it to be an exception to the rule of being a rip off. In fact, for those who cannot afford international travel this city is a great place to find amazing sexual services that you cannot find anywhere else in North America.

Rock Dog

08-27-06, 17:39

Brain666,

You made some good points there. A little more about this particular girl.... in her ad, it says she's originally from Jamaica but the picture of her looks like a white girl or VERY light-skinned.

My guess is that she put the last section in her ad in an effort to make her look special. Or like you said, it's a " Hail-Mary " shot at scoring big with one lone idiot out there who might actually be inclined to take her up on that kind of offer.

Personally, I think it might be fun to send her an email asking if she really thinks that anyone would ever pay that much $$$ for a few days with one woman.

Rock

Sinanju Master

08-27-06, 19:46

RD, sending this broad an e-mail telling her she isn't worth such a king's ransom is only gonna result in her indignation and it's a waste of time. However, it COULD be fun, like teasing the monkeys at the zoo. Her over-inflated sense of self won't easily be overcome. I did the same thing to a broad in Atlanta after one of the posters to this board gave details. I told her that she must be on crack and that her shit ain't worth NEARLY that much. Her very eloquent response was: "Fuck you". These skank specimens are ALWAYS gonna find suckers.

On another note, I hope I'm only paranoid, but I sense impending doom regarding the following article. "Guilt by association" will be the mantra of AW's.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/Perspective/27Aug2006_pers001.php

Rock Dog

08-27-06, 21:17

Sinj,

That EXACTLY the reason why I would email her! It's like teasing monkeys at the Zoo.... hahaha I like that.

Rock

Natik27

08-28-06, 22:05

Hey, guys,

I have been reading this section for some time now, going through almost all of the backdated reports, and of course having my own opinion, agreed with some points and disagreed with some. Thought I might introduce myself rather than just lurk around.

Just a bit of background: I am an Indian guy (from India, not American Indian :) ) have lived across Europe as a child thanks to my Dad's job and have spent 5 years in the US, came back 4 years back, have travelled a bit more on my own, a little bit of EE and South-East Asia thrown in, so I guess for my age, I count myself more travelled than most people (at least Indian).

I feel I have to agree with most of the people here in general, about the attitude of American women being pretty disgusting towards men as compared to most other countries' women, but i would add, and this has been discussed before, that with a lot of westernisation of not just developing nations but of most countries outside of the US, the women of the cosmopolitan cities are becoming more and more like what is being termed here as American women's attitudes. Especially with Oprah and stuff being shown at least here, in Delhi, I find a lot of women discussing topics on that behaving like that even though the culture, circumstances and atmosphere is nothing like that in the States. It's sad to see this.

Anyway, I was actually going to write a lot more and bring up a couple of discussion points, but I got to run so i guess I will have to do that later.

But do keep this discussion up guys, and hey, remember, don’t forget to keep the mongering up too, lets all just not get near these women with them attitudes, I know I catch my fair share of non-pros too despite the advent of “Oprahism” in urban India, where I am right now.

Catch you all later

Hey, guys, I have been reading this section for some time now, going through almost all of the backdated reports, and of course having my own opinion, agreed with some points and disagreed with some. Thought I might introduce myself rather than just lurk around.

Just a bit of background: I am an Indian guy (from India, not American Indian :) ) have lived across Europe as a child thanks to my Dad's job and have spent 5 years in the US, came back 4 years back, have travelled a bit more on my own, a little bit of EE and South-East Asia thrown in, so I guess for my age, I count myself more travelled than most people (at least Indian).

I feel I have to agree with most of the people here in general, about the attitude of American women being pretty disgusting towards men as compared to most other countries' women, but i would add, and this has been discussed before, that with a lot of westernisation of not just developing nations but of most countries outside of the US, the women of the cosmopolitan cities are becoming more and more like what is being termed here as American women's attitudes. Especially with Oprah and stuff being shown at least here, in Delhi, I find a lot of women discussing topics on that behaving like that even though the culture, circumstances and atmosphere is nothing like that in the States. It's sad to see this.

Anyway, I was actually going to write a lot more and bring up a couple of discussion points, but I got to run so i guess I will have to do that later.

But do keep this discussion up guys, and hey, remember, don’t forget to keep the mongering up too, lets all just not get near these women with them attitudes, I know I catch my fair share of non-pros too despite the advent of “Oprahism” in urban India, where I am right now.

Catch you all later

Rock Dog

08-29-06, 05:57

This is the article from Forbes that has all the feminazis so pissed off!

Don't Marry Career Women
by Michael Noer
Forbes.com
August 21, 2006

Guys: A word of advice. Marry pretty women or ugly ones. Short ones or tall ones. Blondes or brunettes. Just, whatever you do, don't marry a woman with a career.

Why? Because if many social scientists are to be believed, you run a higher risk of having a rocky marriage. While everyone knows that marriage can be stressful, recent studies have found professional women are more likely to get divorced, more likely to cheat, less likely to have children, and, if they do have kids, they are more likely to be unhappy about it. A recent study in Social Forces, a research journal, found that women--even those with a "feminist" outlook--are happier when their husband is the primary breadwinner.

Not a happy conclusion, especially given that many men, particularly successful men, are attracted to women with similar goals and aspirations. And why not? After all, your typical career girl is well-educated, ambitious, informed and engaged. All seemingly good things, right? Sure…at least until you get married. Then, to put it bluntly, the more successful she is the more likely she is to grow dissatisfied with you. Sound familiar?

In Pictures: Nine Reasons To Steer Clear Of Career Women
Many factors contribute to a stable marriage, including the marital status of your spouse's parents (folks with divorced parents are significantly more likely to get divorced themselves), age at first marriage, race, religious beliefs and socio-economic status. And, of course, many working women are indeed happily and fruitfully married--it's just that they are less likely to be so than non-working women. And that, statistically speaking, is the rub.

To be clear, we're not talking about a high-school dropout minding a cash register. For our purposes, a "career girl" has a university-level (or higher) education, works more than 35 hours a week outside the home and makes more than $30,000 a year.
If a host of studies are to be believed, marrying these women is asking for trouble. If they quit their jobs and stay home with the kids, they will be unhappy ( Journal of Marriage and Family, 2003). They will be unhappy if they make more money than you do ( Social Forces, 2006). You will be unhappy if they make more money than you do ( Journal of Marriage and Family, 2001). You will be more likely to fall ill ( American Journal of Sociology). Even your house will be dirtier ( Institute for Social Research).

Why? Well, despite the fact that the link between work, women and divorce rates is complex and controversial, much of the reasoning is based on a lot of economic theory and a bit of common sense. In classic economics, a marriage is, at least in part, an exercise in labor specialization. Traditionally men have tended to do "market" or paid work outside the home and women have tended to do "non-market" or household work, including raising children. All of the work must get done by somebody, and this pairing, regardless of who is in the home and who is outside the home, accomplishes that goal. Nobel laureate Gary S. Becker argued that when the labor specialization in a marriage decreases--if, for example, both spouses have careers--the overall value of the marriage is lower for both partners because less of the total needed work is getting done, making life harder for both partners and divorce more likely. And, indeed, empirical studies have concluded just that.

In 2004, John H. Johnson examined data from the Survey of Income and Program Participation and concluded that gender has a significant influence on the relationship between work hours and increases in the probability of divorce. Women's work hours consistently increase divorce, whereas increases in men's work hours often have no statistical effect. "I also find that the incidence in divorce is far higher in couples where both spouses are working than in couples where only one spouse is employed," Johnson says. A few other studies, which have focused on employment (as opposed to working hours) have concluded that working outside the home actually increases marital stability, at least when the marriage is a happy one. But even in these studies, wives' employment does correlate positively to divorce rates, when the marriage is of "low marital quality."

The other reason a career can hurt a marriage will be obvious to anyone who has seen their mate run off with a co-worker: When your spouse works outside the home, chances increase they'll meet someone they like more than you. "The work environment provides a host of potential partners," researcher Adrian J. Blow reported in the Journal of Marital and Family Therapy, "and individuals frequently find themselves spending a great deal of time with these individuals."

There's more: According to a wide-ranging review of the published literature, highly educated people are more likely to have had extra-marital sex (those with graduate degrees are 1.75 more likely to have cheated than those with high school diplomas.) Additionally, individuals who earn more than $30,000 a year are more likely to cheat.

And if the cheating leads to divorce, you're really in trouble. Divorce has been positively correlated with higher rates of alcoholism, clinical depression and suicide. Other studies have associated divorce with increased rates of cancer, stroke, and sexually-transmitted disease. Plus divorce is financially devastating. According to one recent study on "Marriage and Divorce's Impact on Wealth," published in The Journal of Sociology, divorced people see their overall net worth drop an average of 77%.

So why not just stay single? Because, academically speaking, a solid marriage has a host of benefits beyond just individual "happiness." There are broader social and health implications as well. According to a 2004 paper entitled "What Do Social Scientists Know About the Benefits of Marriage?" marriage is positively associated with "better outcomes for children under most circumstances," higher earnings for adult men, and "being married and being in a satisfying marriage are positively associated with health and negatively associated with mortality." In other words, a good marriage is associated with a higher income, a longer, healthier life and better-adjusted kids.

A word of caution, though: As with any social scientific study, it's important not to confuse correlation with causation. In other words, just because married folks are healthier than single people, it doesn't mean that marriage is causing the health gains. It could just be that healthier people are more likely to be married.

Interesting...... any comments?

Rock

Bart9000

08-29-06, 07:27

This article to some degree supports one of my primary assertions:

Women as a whole, don't really WANT to be a "co-provider". Feminism got them equal (in practice "superior") rights, and they (particularly the middle and upper middle class) went out, hit the workforce, and found out that IT SUCKS OUT HERE, AND THEY HAD THE BETTER END OF THE DEAL ALL ALONG.

One of my pet theories is as follows. Sociology dictates that traditionally, the holder of economic power (the provider-either male or female) has the power to make decisions in a relationship. Now, women in most cases demand or believe that they are entitled to equal or superior power in the relationship, but are usually not holding up their end of the "breadwinning".....or if they are at least coming close to it, they fucking resent it. This obviously is a big, nasty obnoxious imbalance in the yin/yang of relationships......no fucking wonder that the divorce rate is 50-60% (I actually maintain that the figure is being held down by heavily Catholic hispanic immigrants...I'm guessing that among the middle and upper middle class it is or will soon be 70%)

B9K

Natik27

08-29-06, 14:23

I really agree with the point Forbes makes about that most women, even professional women. are happier when the primary breadwinner is the male and by extension bart9000's assertion that the women then realise they have the better end of the deal.

For example, my ex-fiance, not really ex, since we are on and off, an American citizen, has been running a small business setup by her Dad who ran it with her, but as soon as our talks about marriage started, she was like, i dont want to work after marriage, other than maybe a hobby or two which may or may not make money. Guess she realises that that would be the sweet end of the deal.

This also reminds me of a friend of mine and one of his favourite stories. He was working hard to afford a vacation his new wife really wanted to go to, and one day came home really late, hungry and tired after working overtime; however, his wife made dinner late since she was watching some movie on television and she said she didnt feel like it at the time, and hence, becasue he slept late, he wanted to wake up late, reaching one hour later to work. So his wife woke him up and started complaining that he doesnt get to the office on time and he should because they want the money etc., he kept his mouth shut and in the end just told her, well if you would do your job and give me food on time, maybe then I can get enough rest to get to my job on time. That shut her up real good. Needless to say, he wisened up real quick and left her, though he is still paying alimony.

This is very true in urban India too, (its the same almost everywhere now) where the male is still supposed to be the primary breadwinner, and can't take a break because he doesn't feel like it or doesn't like his job. But the female, she can take a break when she wants quoting "I don't feel like cooking tonight, lets eat out". I just think about that and wonder - is it really a man's world, what all the feminists are still keep claiming it to be?

Makes me laugh at their Idiocy, its like having their cake and eating it too. They want to be professionals, want to work and "become something" but they want their husbands to be the primary breadwinner still and if they aren't, and since most husbands won't take the deal of being house-husbands, which leaves their homes in a mess, these professional women just leave them! I have nothing against professional women, its just their arrogance that they want to have their professions, have a guy who is more sucessful than they are, but dont want to take care of the home or give up their professions to help out in raising kids.

Rock Dog

08-30-06, 02:38

Khunk

08-30-06, 03:02

Of course the Forbes article is getting a big reaction. All the Femmies have gotten so used to playing victim and hiding behind their gender as they take endless potshots at men.

Now someone comes along and points out what everyone pretty much knows is true..... self-centered, career-minded hemisexual b*tches don't make the best wives. The article didn't even say they made BAD wives, it just dared to suggest that men might be better off going for a regular, stay-at-home traditional kind of woman.

What happens? Endless discussion on blogs and feminist websites. I say "When someone starts squawking, you know you toughed a sore spot."

RockI just have to say, being born and raised in America, that anyone who wants to or has an inkling to date/marry an American woman needs to be beat about the head with a heavy object. American woman are the most self centered, selfish, arrogant, conditional, pompous women anywhere and it's because of the media and the whole femme movement. Women in the USA forgot what is all about being a woman. None of them give 100% in a relationship because they are afraid to get hurt, be used, or taken advantage of. I will never date another american woman in my life. Asian women, by far, are the best. There is no substitute. Culturally they are much better at knowing what men want and need. Thank God for SE Asia.

Ezinho

08-30-06, 03:41

Have you guys seen the response to this article from Forbes? The feminists are going ape-shit over it! I don't know who this Michael Noer guy is, but I gotta give credit where credit's due; this is one AM who hasn't yet surrendered his testicles to the Femi-nazis. Here's another article he wrote earlier this year:

The Economics Of Prostitution
Michael Noer, 02.14.06, 12:00 PM ET

Wife or *****?

The choice is that simple. At least according to economists Lena Edlund and Evelyn Korn, it is.

The two well-respected economists created a minor stir in academic circles a few years back when they published "A Theory of Prostitution" in the Journal of Political Economy. The paper was remarkable not only for being accepted by a major journal but also because it considered wives and *****s as economic "goods" that can be substituted for each other. Men buy, women sell.

Economists have been equating money and marriage ever since Nobel Prize-winning economist Gary Becker published his seminal paper "A Theory of Marriage" in two parts in 1973 and 1974--also, not coincidentally, in the Journal of Political Economy.

Becker used market analysis to tackle the questions of whom, when and why we marry. His conclusions? Mate selection is a market, and marriages occur only if they are profitable for both parties involved.

Becker allowed nonmonetary elements, like romantic love and companionship, to be entered into courtship's profit and loss statement. And children, in particular, were important. "Sexual gratification, cleaning, feeding and other services can be purchased, but not children: Both the man and the woman are required to produce their own children and perhaps to raise them," he wrote.

But back to *****s: Edlund and Korn admit that spouses and streetwalkers aren't exactly alike. Wives, in truth, are superior to *****s in the economist's sense of being a good whose consumption increases as income rises--like fine wine. This may explain why prostitution is less common in wealthier countries. But the implication remains that wives and *****s are--if not exactly like Coke and Pepsi--something akin to champagne and beer. The same sort of thing.

As with Becker, a key differentiator in Edlund and Korn's model is reproductive sex. Wives can offer it, *****s can not.

To be fair, Edlund and Korn were merely building an admittedly grossly simplified model of human behavior in an attempt to answer a nagging question: Why do hookers make so much money? Prostitution is, seemingly, a low-skill but high-pay profession with few upfront costs, micro-miniskirts and stiletto heels aside.

Yet according to data assembled from a wide variety of times and places, ranging from mid-15th-century France to Malaysia of the late 1990s, prostitutes make more money--in some cases, a lot more money--than do working girls who, well, work for a living. This held true even for places where prostitution is legal and relatively safe. In short, streetwalkers aren't necessarily being paid more for their increased risk of going to jail or the hospital.

Notwithstanding Jerry Hall's quip when she was married to Mick Jagger, about being "a maid in the living room and a ***** in the bedroom," one normally cannot be both a wife and a *****. "Combine this with the fact that marriage can be an important source of income for women, and it follows that prostitution must pay better than other jobs to compensate for the opportunity cost of forgone-marriage market earnings," Edlund and Korn conclude.

Ouch.

Another zinger: "This begs the question of why married men go to prostitutes (rather than buying from their wives, who presumably will be low-cost providers, considering that they can sell nonreproductive sex without compromising their marriage)." Guys, nothing says "Happy Valentine's Day" more than "low-cost provider."

Of course, it's easy to pour cold water on some of the assumptions made in Edlund and Korn's mathematical model. But these so-called "stylized facts" are supposed to predict human behavior; they don't necessarily pretend to mirror it.

In particular, the assumption that there is no "third way" between wife and ***** is problematic, if not outright offensive: "The third alternative, working in a regular job but not marrying, can be ruled out, since we assume that the only downside of marriage for a woman is the forgone opportunity for prostitution."

Be sure to let all your married friends know what they're missing.

Also, the emphasis on the utility of children is puzzling. In most Western democracies, fertility rates have plummeted as wealth has increased. Empirically, men not only buy fewer *****s as they get richer, but they have fewer children.

Still, the economic analysis of marriage explains one age-old phenomenon: gold digging.

"In particular, does our analysis justify the popular belief that more beautiful, charming and talented women tend to marry wealthier and more successful men?" wrote Becker. His answer: "A positive sorting of nonmarket traits with nonhuman wealth always, and with earnings power, usually, maximizes commodity output over all marriages."

In other words, yes, supermodels do prefer aging billionaires. And Gary Becker proved it mathematically decades before The Donald married Melania.

http://www.forbes.com/entrepreneurs/2006/02/11/economics-prostitution-marriage_cx_mn_money06_0214prostitution.html

Sinanju Master

08-30-06, 04:03

Man, this shit is like the fable "the Emperor's New Clothes". Someone decided to call the shit for what it is and those in power go apeshit because of said fact. Heh heh heh! It's like someone pressed a hot branding iron against he flesh of the Feminazis and ENJOYED IT! Yes, my bretheren, while enjoying this spectacle of revelation, I'm kicking my feet up on the desk while downing a large Coke and a bucket of popocorn!

Chocha Monger

08-30-06, 05:59

I think that the American male in general has become more submissive and accepting of playing female gender roles. The stay at home dad is resented but increasingly common; and pegging is growing in popularity. Indeed it is not uncommon to overhear groups of women discussing how they pegged their husbands or boyfriends. So, the next time you see some guy with his wife or girlfriend and a pained expression on his face, there's a good chance that he is being pegged not only in the bedroom but in his wallet too!

Yogin

08-30-06, 17:41

...american male .. more submissive and accepting of playing female gender roles. .. and pegging is growing in popularity. ..not uncommon to overhear groups of women discussing how they pegged their husbands or boyfriends. so, the next time you see some guy with his wife or girlfriend and a pained expression on his face, there's a good chance that he is being pegged not only in the bedroom but in his wallet too!

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=peg
this is a term coined by sex advice columnist dan savage and his readers, referring to when a woman straps one on and buttfucks a guy.

savage also coined "santorum", the frothy mix of [CodeWord113] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord113) and lube that is sometimes the product of anal sex. named for senator rick santorum, a religious conservative wacko, charter member of the american taliban anti-sex league.

Rock Dog

08-31-06, 01:48

There've been lots of posts on this exact topic.

I remember one that was really good, where a member did some financial calculations based on a typical 10 year marriage ending in divorce. What with lawyers bills, losing half a house and support payments, it was calculated that you'd actually SAVE money if you paid $250 a pop for twice weekly visits by the sex-provider of your choice.

I've written plenty of posts myself as to how men and women's actions can be explained in simple economic terms such as supply + demand + competition. Edlund and Korn's analysis is interesting for sure, but they are simply expounding in technical terms (and greater detail) what most of us already knew a long time ago.

Women are not the emotional romantic creatures that they try to portray themselves as. They are very practical, calculating and pragmatic. The only reason they even bother to put this romantic spin on things is because.....
A. It serves their purposes.
B. It makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside while going after what they want.

I USED to think that it was us guys that were calculating. But that was back when I was young and naive.

Rock

Sinanju Master

08-31-06, 02:26

Well done, young padawan! Revealed, the Dark Side you have. Forever vigilant must you be, or fall to its influence you will!

Chocha Monger

08-31-06, 04:32

Hey Rock,

All along you thought you were the one doing the screwing but you were getting pegged, and hard! Ironic isn't it? Spent your whole life believing that boys were nasty scheming little creatures who passed every minute thinking about the best formula for pulling down the nice girl's panties. Dad was the bad guy keeping horny little Johnny away from his precious Peggy because he didn't want her getting knocked up. In reality he was just saving Johnny's little clueless ass from starting out his adult life paying child support.

I'll tell you something. In college the girls only talked about one thing during class breaks or group work, and that was getting married and knocked up but not necessarily in that order. More than half were preggers by the third year of school.

Martians

08-31-06, 05:39

Chocha Monger

09-01-06, 00:32

Guys

I am off to Pattaya in a few days. Maybe ye can help me with this question. Pattaya has more slappers per square inch than anywhere else in the world. The young hookers love all those innocent, kiddy type clothes, light pastels, teddy bears, Hello Kitty, Harry Potter stuff. Why do the world's most hardened hookers wear the world's most innocent clothing? What is in the female gene that gets them to camoflage their obvious fangs so much? Are they dreaming of a lost innocence? Is it a woman's thing or what?
Actually, it's a combination of things. One being that mongers tend to avoid hardened pros so a little sheep's clothing is necessary to draw them in to what they perceive to be an innocent lamb; once the she-wolf sets her fangs in the neck of the unsuspecting monger it's too late to attempt an escape. It's biological mimicry at it's best. Remember that females tend to be more efficient predators because they need more resources to feed the young. Pattaya is an environment rich in prey; herds of clues sex tourists provide much needed resources. One can pretty much call Pattaya the Asian Serengeti.

Another reason is that females are all fascinated with anything having to do with the young. It doesn't matter how hardened they happen to be kiddie stuff always gets oohs and aahs. Women don't fully grow out of certain aspects of their childhood mentality, perhaps it helps them relate better to the young during child rearing. Observe the similarity in a woman's behavior to that of a child when you tell her that she cannot have something she wants.

One Wing Low

09-01-06, 01:33

There've been lots of posts on this exact topic.
I USED to think that it was us guys that were calculating. But that was back when I was young and naive.
Rock

...who are intensely focused on controlling and manipulating their husbands to stick with them, giving them lots of love, sex, happiness, and of course, money and material things.

Most husbands feel like a butterfly, caught in the strong web of a black widow, unable to get out, being eaten alive, piece by piece, everyday.

The black widow would never understand why the butterfly is resentful and deadly fearful of her. She feels strongly that she has the rights to entrap and to carve up her prey to fill her stomach, and she doesn't give a flying shit who's hurt and who will die.

Chocha Monger

09-01-06, 03:53

One of my dear friends is caught in the web for a third time. However, this time there will be no escape. This black widow is more proficient than the others. She throws coil after coil of strong sticky silk around him binding him tightly as he trashes wildly to no avail like a common housefly.

I swear that I can hear his screams and desperate pleads for mercy above the crunching sound of chitin as her mandibles snip off pieces of his exoskeleton. Poor bastard! I told him he was flying too close to the web but he thought this one was different and grew over confident.

Two jobs, one day one night in order maintain her and the new kid in a gated community, new SUV, premium health coverage, full cable package, designer furniture, trips to theme parks etc.

George90

09-01-06, 19:57

...who are intensely focused on controlling and manipulating their husbands to stick with them, giving them lots of love, sex, happiness, and of course, money and material things.

I feel your generalization is most appropriate for North American women. It is nonsense for the majority of foreign women. I mostly know Latin women. I monger in Latin America and have had Latin girlfriends. There are LOTS of good, decent Latinas very available for marriage. Even the pros are decent women, at least the ones that I have been with.

There is another thread on marrying foreign women. I have mentioned this before a few times. Foreign women, on average, make much better wives than American women, on average. We KNOW this!!!! Complaining about AWs is not the proper, intelligent response to the woeful lack of marriage material in the US. Seriously looking for Latinas to marry IS the proper, intelligent response.

There are many agencies that cater to men looking for foreign, or specifically Latin, wives. Some are Latin Social Network, Latin Euro, All Colombian Girls, My Latin Rose, My Latin Flame, My Foreign Bride, Cali Charm, A Foreign Affair, Brazil Romance, Latin Encounters. I could go on.

Let's talk more about alternatives to AWs as wives and lovers, rather than continuing to harp on how awful they are. That horse is dead and stinking. It is time to get on and ride a better one.

Rock Dog

09-02-06, 16:10

George90,

You're right, we do a lot of complaining about AWs in this forum. But sometimes, it just feels so GOOD to vent all that resentment that builds up.

Don't sell the forum short! We cover a lot of topics as the weeks go by. There have been a ton of posts on the exact one you mentioned. Foreign wives ARE a superior option to the local girls. In fact, I went and got one for myself a while ago.

If you know what to look for, you'll probably see that tons of guys are doing this. Look around and, after a while, you will see what I like to call "The Disproportionately Hot Woman". That's what I call it whenever I see an ordinary guy with a reall hot woman. Often, there will be a noticeable age difference.... 10, 15 even 20 years or more. Also, these girls can be asian or latinas. Eastern europeans such as russians or ukrainian girls are a bit harder to spot be they're there. Just look for the tall slim blonde ones.

It's not always the case. Sometimes it's an AW who's still young enough to get suckered in for the Badboy/Rebel/Player type (yet another topic we lover to discuss). But lot's of the time it IS the case.

You mentioned LatinEuro. They have a section in their site complaining about IMBRA..... any new developments there?

Rock

Sinanju Master

09-02-06, 19:25

at times, it can seem like beating a dead horse, but then again some stories come along that must be told. a case in point is the list of attributes one woman demanded must be met in order for a man to be to her liking. i won't go over it again, unless some of the fellow posters didn't catch it, in which case, i'll post it again and entertain them. it is a way to vent, and as long as it stays here and doesn't spill out into public where it can cause problematic interaction, then it's harmless. also, you may have noticed there are a lot of new posters to this particular board who find a common bond established by those of us who have been here for a while. it relieves them of the burden of reinventing the wheel, when all they have to do is to jump into an already established conversation and contribute their input. it's a matter of one's point of view; if you feel it's a dead horse being beaten, no biggie. gravitate to other pastures and godspeed. also, notice that there are times when someone offers one of many possible solutions that are quite valid, so, it's not all about carping about aw's.

Artisttyp

09-02-06, 20:26

I agree this thread has been very helpful to me in understanding the situation. Since I've been doing alot of traveing I can see first hand how all this information relates.
Plain and simple it's a good way to vent with people who have the same issues.

Chocha Monger

09-03-06, 16:09

Yes, the horse is dead and the carcass is stinking to high heaven which is why we've got to keep putting the word out. Frustrated and disgusted American men are not a minority just a terrified non-vocal majority. Many more tales of horror abound on the net and many of these guys haven't even considered an alternative. Take for example the experience of a poster by the handle of CleanStarving, from Madison, WI. His story follows below in his own words:

"I am a 36 year old male experiencing the same issue. I like to be fair with both women and men.

I had been married for 8 years. Initially my wife and me had intercouse every day. Then I realized that she don't want it every day. In One year it reduced to once or twice in a week. Then I started jerking off when she is not available. Until she got employed we did it once or twice every week. After she got employed it became once every week.

Three years back we had our first baby. She didn't ask for an intercourse for three months. Then I encouraged and lured her into it. But she wants it only once in one month now. If I express my desire she will tell she will give it in the evening. In the evening she will tell she is so tired..can we try tomorrow?...and I got satisfied once in a month..no complaints from my side still...but I tried to lure her more which she took it as forcing and started threatening me...

She cut off me saying that I don't have any right to touch her without her agreement... I was little bit confused but still we had intercourse once in every 6 weeks...but I didn't had much freedom ---because she just wanted to do the things she wanted... she liked only one position and no explorations or variety were allowed...

But every time we had an intercourse she enjoyed it and I could feel it from her sound and her desire for more orgasm... But around 8 months back in october 2005 she started avoiding me totally... After three months of waiting I turned towards porn movies for satisfaction.. still being faithful for her...
One month back she started pulling things from past and started threatening me for the porn movies I am seeing. She didn't like it at all.

I wanted to be faithful to her. I haven't fucked anybody other than her in my life... now she wouldn't allow me to touch or even express my desires. She is OK otherwise... and she don't like me spending time with my baby...she comes and snatches the baby...The baby is doing healthy.. but I had to separate from my wife to avoid more problems. The seperation is for 6 months which my wife wanted. She says if I want to see the baby more than once in two weeks I can go to court and get permission.
But there is no legal separation..

I don't hate my wife. not even surprised... but everything happening here is a mystery for me... my wife is not telling me why I need to separate from baby and me... she says she needs 6 months to think whether she needs to continue marriage or not... meanwhile her conusellor contacted me and told me to work on my anger..."

George90

09-03-06, 17:37

I can understand the desire to vent. It DOES feel very good. But it doesn't accomplish very much. After we have vented, we may feel better for a little while but we are still stuck with hostile AWs. The only way to BE better for a LONG while, as opposed to FEEL better for a little while, is to get the alternative to AWs, foreign women. We haven't been doing enough of that.

I also understand the need to get the word out. Only a few non-military AMs, appreciate the benefits of foreign women as wives, and they (we) are too afraid to speak out much due to the feminists who portray AMs seeking foreign wives as sex offenders.

I just feel that carping on how bad AWs are, without offering any solution, makes us look exactly like AWs. How may times have we borne the brunt of a complaining AW, who then makes us GUESS at what she wants, and finally complains more about our attempt to resolve the issue? I, and we, do not want to give of THAT vibe!

Mick Jagger sang, long ago in 1978, that "American girls want everything in the world you can possible imagine". 25+ years later not much has changed. But we men can change discussing better alternatives, foreign women. There are hundreds of marriage agencies that introduce western men to ladies from Latin American, Asia, and Eastern Europe. I am not a shill, so I name several competeing agencies when I talk about this. There are other threads for "Marrying Foreign Women" and "Dating Agencies" so maybe I should encourage more posting there. It just seems that this thread is most active. I hope that's not because we are only interested in venting and not in improving our sex/love lives.

George90

09-03-06, 17:47

George90

09-03-06, 17:54

George90,

You mentioned LatinEuro. They have a section in their site complaining about IMBRA..... any new developments there?

Rock

An immigration attorney who has a petition against IMBRA says that IMBRA is in full effect. The INS has a huge backlog of visa petitions because they didn't get the new forms ready in time and had to send out the new forms to men who had already sent in petition on the old forms. A judge in Atlanta does have a restraining order against the Federal government from enforcing IMBRA but this lawyer says that RO is ONLY for the agency (Russian Encounters) that filed it.

In addition, NOW and others feminist groups have succeeded in extending IMBRA. In June, a law was passed that takes away the right of any man convicted of a sex offense from EVER petitioning for a visa for his foreign wife. That means that if you were ever arrested in the US for using a prostitute, you would not be allowed to file for a fiancee or spousal visa for the rest of your life!

There is an IMBRA III in the works. Rumor has it that it would require US men to disclose IMBRA I stuff to American women too.

Sinanju Master

09-03-06, 18:01

point taken.... however, remember that IF one is not cautious about marrying foreign women (making as sure as possible that her character is a sterling one) and ends up letting his little head do the thinking for his big head, he could end up in a situation that would prompt him to post to this very board and going back to Square One.

Myself, I already have my road map plotted and it involves a foreign woman. While I wouldn't TOTALLY refuse the long-term relationship possibilities with an AW (I'm sure that there is a specific grain of sand on a gargantuan beach to be had) The stars would have to be perfectly aligned.

Furiouz

09-03-06, 18:25

In addition, NOW and others feminist groups have succeeded in extending IMBRA. In June, a law was passed that takes away the right of any man convicted of a sex offense from EVER petitioning for a visa for his foreign wife. That means that if you were ever arrested in the US for using a prostitute, you would not be allowed to file for a fiancee or spousal visa for the rest of your life!

There is an IMBRA III in the works. Rumor has it that it would require US men to disclose IMBRA I stuff to American women too.So, in essence, the deeds of a very few has put all men on the America's Most Wanted list? What happened to innocent before being proved guilty? This law basically states that being a man who is interested in women from other countries makes us evil. Hmm.

I , for one, am very very tired of the loud, obnoxious hefers I see in general. Yes even Los Angeles has it share of obese women, thank god this is not Nebraska.

And the story of that chap with the insane wife is heart-wrenching. How the hell can the wife get mad if the guy is watching porn? That means he is not cheating on her, even though she is withholding the goods.

G90, what do you think of latineuro.com?

Chocha Monger

09-04-06, 02:54

"I've been waiting for you, Obi-Wan. We meet again, at last. The circle is now complete." Remember when Darth Vader said this to Obi-Wan Kenobi? Well, you just might be hearing something similar from the judge at divorce court if you run off and marry a foreign woman and bring her back to these shores without doing some in depth, lengthy and time consuming ground work.

I hesitate to recommend foreign women as the panacea for the AW ills because it only applies when certain conditions are met. Take the best foreign woman you can find and turn her loose in our society and it will only be a matter of time before she is seduced by the powers of the dark side. What else can you expect? Each day she will be bombarded by the media and her new AW friends who tell her that she deserves to have it all and that you are an oppressive swine that she'd be better off without. You can hardly blame the poor girl for cashing in and taking off. That's just the way things are in America.

Once she finds out that as a man you have no rights, not even the most basic of human rights, and oh yes guilty until proven otherwise; how can she resist? Guys, Rufus the family dog holds more of a valued place in the family than you do. It sucks but it's the truth. If he isn't fed he has recourse under the law for cruelty to animals. And you? Well, you better find your way down to McDonald's.

It doesn't take long to figure out the contented fellows on here are the ones who fled for brighter shores or simply learned to live without much to do with AW. Now we hear talk of an IMBRA III. I really hope they pass this one too. I'd vote in favor of it if they had a referendum. It would be one more reason not to even speak to an AW outside of work or essential day to day transactions. Really, they couldn't come up with a more ingenious plan for driving a stake through the heart of marriage in this country. The Land of the Free would soon be the Land of the Old Maids.

Sinanju Master

09-04-06, 03:19

Mastered the Force you have! Pierced the veil of the Dark Side have you! Adherence to NOT caving into the demands of AW's is the way OUT! Getting the word out is the only way....

George90

09-04-06, 13:15

I hesitate to recommend foreign women as the panacea for the AW ills because it only applies when certain conditions are met. Take the best foreign woman you can find and turn her loose in our society and it will only be a matter of time before she is seduced by the powers of the dark side. What else can you expect? Each day she will be bombarded by the media and her new AW friends who tell her that she deserves to have it all and that you are an oppressive swine that she'd be better off without. You can hardly blame the poor girl for cashing in and taking off. That's just the way things are in America.

Once she finds out that as a man you have no rights, not even the most basic of human rights, and oh yes guilty until proven otherwise; how can she resist? Guys, Rufus the family dog holds more of a valued place in the family than you do. It sucks but it's the truth. If he isn't fed he has recourse under the law for cruelty to animals. And you? Well, you better find your way down to McDonald's.

You are not entirely wrong, CM, but not entirely right either. I agree that a man must be very careful of ANY woman that he may marry. Yes, a foreign woman may become fully Americanized and lead a man into to a US style marriage and divorce.

I disagree that such a fate is inevitable. If a man evaluates potential wife-material with his big head, then he is less likely to err and marry a disaster. If he just wants a trophy wife, then he will pay for it.

Men who have married foreign women and brought them here have reported that Asian women, specifically Filipinas, are the least likely to to become fully Americanized and so resist the influence of AWs and the materialistic, anti-man aspects of US culture. They said there are strong Philipine communities here in the US that help the new wives aculturate. While they inform the ladies of their legal rights in case of abuse, they also STRONGLY discourage ladies from screwing over AMs. Exporting wives is an industry in the Philipines. Having a US husband and living here enables a lady to help her whole family survive, go to school, get good medical care, etc. Many want to hook up sisters, cousins, and friends with other AMs. If they get a bad reputation of screwing us over, they lose out on a great opportunity to improve their and their family's lives. Latin women are second best. Russian women are third.

Provided you choose a woman with good values, not materialistic, appreciates and values a good man in her life, and you keep strong ties to her culture, she will be able to resist the AW onslaught.

George90

09-04-06, 13:26

G90, what do you think of latineuro.com?

I have used Latin Euro in past years. I have met many nice ladies using them, including one that dated for a while. The response rate I had was very low. I found that many women had moved, were no longer interested, had married, without LE removing their profiles. Most just did not respond. Some ladies asked for money very quickly. Now, I just look at the pictures!

I do not suggest not using LE. I do suggest using a variety of agencies. Others that you should look into are Latin Social Network, My Latin Rose, My Latin Flame, Brazil Romance, Brazil Exterior, A Foreign Affair, Cali Charm, Continental Romance.

Artisttyp

09-04-06, 16:24

I'm looking for a latin lady myself and you would think that living in new
york city would be an advantage but it's not. There are tons of "pueblo"
looking authentic types here but they dont act the same. Most of the time
you cant even look at them let alone start up a conversation without them
giving you a freaked out look or even more of a brush off than AW's.

After I come home from a trip to latin america I try to keep the same open
friendly energy towards them but it just doesn't go over too well. The
majority of women minus the few exceptions get tainted once they get here.

I'm very upset that the whole immigration issue is focused mainly on latin immigrants this will ruin any chance of a possible connection. I agree that phillipinas are more open when they arrive to america. I just dont vibe that well with asian culture.

Alot of americans dont have the ability to make that move to another country or let alone vist one so what is to become of them and the men after them?

Our society is quick to nail a man for his percieved faults but yet wont address his needs. We have a really warped view of the modern man.

When will this change and what will it take to make that change?

The clues are all right here in this thread. The longer this continues the more our society will have to deal with the consequences.

George90

09-04-06, 17:21

I'm looking for a latin lady myself and you would think that living in new
york city would be an advantage but it's not. There are tons of "pueblo"
looking authentic types here but they dont act the same. Most of the time
you cant even look at them let alone start up a conversation without them
giving you a freaked out look or even more of a brush off than AW's.

I lived in New York City from the mid 80's to the early 90's. I had several friends from Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic. I know exactly what you are talking about. I was not looking for action then but I saw many guys get shot down and obliterated by some of the New York City Latinas.

As you have travelled to LA, you know that Latinas come in all shapes, colors, and nationalities. A Colombiana is not the same as a Borriquena (from PR) who is not the same as an Venezolana. Even within NYC, Latinas from Washington Heights, are not the same as Latinas from the Bronx, who are not the same as Latinas living in Queens.

If you get to know her well in her country, if you learn of her ambitions for life in the US, you will get a very clear picture of what she will be like when she actually gets here. People do not change their core personalities very much very quickly. A woman with a sound, down-to-earth outlook on life in Colombia will continue to be like that in the US. You just need to choose wisely and carefully. I concede that is easier said than done.

George90

09-04-06, 17:33

Alot of americans dont have the ability to make that move to another country or let alone vist one so what is to become of them and the men after them?

Our society is quick to nail a man for his percieved faults but yet wont address his needs. We have a really warped view of the modern man.

When will this change and what will it take to make that change?

The clues are all right here in this thread. The longer this continues the more our society will have to deal with the consequences.

I agree! It won't change until the consequences are too unbearable for women. I don't think that will be in the near future. What is likely to happen society wide has already happened in the Black community. As of 2002, close to 70% of children are born to single-mother households. There are more never-married Black men and Black women than ever before in US history. The divorce rate for those Black who do marry is much higher than for Whites, (I don't want to look up the precise statistic right now). A consequence has been that women are raising Black children with almost no male input. Most want to be "friends" with their children instead of parents and so do not instill discipline and respect for rules and order. The result is a generation of young Blacks with little meaningful education, little foresight and ability to plan for the future, and a willingess to revert to crime as a profession.

Bill Cosby and, more recently, Juan Williams have spoken out publicly about this. That is what is in store for the whole US in 20-30 years. I think it is a more serious problem than Iran, Iraq, Al-Quaeda, and Afghanistan combined.

Artisttyp

09-04-06, 17:35

You make some good points and just think you were here during the good days. Imagine what goes on now.

I used to be so in love with puerto rican women UNTIL I went to puerto rico. Dominicans tend to stay true to their culture at least those born in DR but alot of their american offspring have horrible attitudes and adopt a thug mentality.

Los Angeles is a mess.

Bart9000

09-06-06, 01:38

Yea, we do a lot more than bash on this thread. I personally rather enjoy analyzing the inscrutable young female behavior and societal "free pass" that women get when they are young and attractive with 4-5 smart guys. Groupthink is generally smarter than individual.

Had a new insight into my favorite topic by the way, the "bad boy loser phenomena"........as I have previously mentioned, a lot of girls date not necessarily "Billy Badass", but instead "Brody Bruce" (see "Mallrats" by Kevin Smith)......19-23+, living with divorced mother, video game addict, not going to school, works just enough to keep in weed, beer and cigs.....I recently came to realize WHY........these guys are FUN.....with the societal freedom and the "pussy resource" availble to "trade up" to a boring dependable income earner at any time, girls CHOOSE to while in their "free pass" (while they are the hottest) years, to run around with these guys, essentially rewarding them for being fuckups....and de facto punish guys who work to accomplish something by depriving them of young hot pussy...until it's time to saddle someone with the bullshit marital bag of goods. Fuck Man this shit pisses me off. I would be FUN too, if I worked fifteen hous a week and spent the rest of the time drunk and stoned.

B9k

Rock Dog

09-06-06, 02:40

Bart9K,

That's all part of the "youth worship" thing I mentioned a while back. Basically, it boils down to this..... teenagers have the best of all possible worlds. They are old enough to enjoy all the "adult fun" (you KNOW what I mean). Also, they are young enough to have none of the responsibilities.

What could be better than that? The only thing that would come even close would be a guy who's made his money, never gotten married, retired at 45 and gone off to get laid ever night in some tropical sex paradise. It's close, but at 45, it's not the same as being 17, or 18 years old.

That's everybody's dream.... take it easy, play games, drink, party, fuck and watch TV while you rest up so you can do it some more. No job and who cares? You've got no kids, rent or bills to pay anyways. It's no wonder people seem to have this idea that being a teenager, or trying to imitate one, is the highest ideal one can achieve.

These young girls are really living in a fools paradise, because it's temporary! The "Brody Bruce" types you mentioned have it even worse.... I know because I spent a lot of my teens and 20's like that (exc. I always did have SOME kind of job). What happens to them is, they score like crazy for a few years...... then as they get further into their 20's, it starts getting harder and harder to get laid. That's because, to these younger girls, any guy over 21 or 22 is pretty much an older man..... and they mostly like guys that they already know from somewhere.

Now "Brody Bruce" finds himself relatively uneducated, with little or no job experience..... and Waaaay behind interms of getting established. Unfortunately, the girls have it a lot easier, because they can always switch targets, wave a little pussy around and get what they want that way.

Rock

Artisttyp

09-06-06, 02:51

I agree why waste the best years of your life when you could be partying
with a care free type rather than helping your boyfriend study for an exam.

However to make you feel better alot of these girls that look really slutty and hot are complete idiots and are not always so open in bed. Alot of them are more concerned with how they look and how their man looks on their arm. Its all about being cool until they find out being cool without any money is very not cool.

Those types of guys burn out really easy and by their early 30's have nothing to show for it. I had a friend for 15 years who was this puerto rican ladies man long hair good moves on the dance floor etc. He couch surfed for a living and is still doing it at 40 but now he's doing it with a 4ft. chinese girl he met working at an internet cafe.

Bart9000

09-06-06, 05:47

I don't resent the guys like this.....they choose their beds, then they lie in them paying the consequences for their actions.....or inactions as the case may be. What I resent is that our society is set up so that the females escape paying consequences for their choices......they get to have what they want (Fun/money, material things, stable income, children, nice house in the suburbs) when they want it, regardless of the merit of their previous choices......and it's the times of my life like a good part of 2000 when I worked all day at a crap office job, went to school for my MS at night, and spent all weekend studying that was de facto (theoretically -It thankfully didn't work out that way, but well could have, and has for innumerable other guys) subsidizing some little bimbo fucking and sucking "cool, fun" stoners PS2 heads, party boys etc. If they want me now (and some do for purposes of settling down), they should have been making MY life more pleasant while I was busting my ass in hopes of getting somewhere.

B9k

Hardbarg

09-06-06, 09:43

Yeah, we do a lot more than just bashing here, though to what purpose I’m not sure. Anyways, I’ve been waiting for a spot to introduce this. The “lack of consequences” complaint seems like as good a place as any.

Whether or not anyone else does, I find it interesting to look at the war between the sexes in a larger context. I don’t think many here have considered just how unique the current situation is. For the 150,000+ years of human existence the consequences for women were direct and profound - motherhood. This dictated their behavior and molded their biological instincts (natural selection). An equilibrium between men and women resulted.

1960 - the pill. Everything changed, literally overnight. Where there used to be unavoidable consequences, now there were none. I’m not even going to try to list all the implications, but quickly - a feeling of goddess like power and control, and with it a massive sense of entitlement.

(The industrial revolution in general has had some of the same effect, but that’s for another discussion.)

What’s going on now is unique in human experience. The equilibrium is gone. Women still have all the reactions and advantages they’ve always had, but with few of the natural restrictions. Us guys have lost ground just by not changing. Our bad luck. Much of the complaining going on here is the result of conditions no one has ever had to deal with until about 40 years ago.

If it makes you feel any better (it doesn’t make me), the girls are at least as confused about all this as we are.

Bart9000

09-06-06, 19:52

This ties into something I was going to mention. As recently as our parents generation (not too far into the sexual revolution), men and women, very young, just paired off, and got married....and the girl who made a bad choice, got (speaking in generalities).....paid consequences for her decision in the form of having and raising kids with someone who isn't shall we say inclined to be a good provider. This was parity. Now, we have basic EXPLOITATION of "provider" types as previously mentioned.

I'm having none of it.

B9k

Rock Dog

09-07-06, 01:38

Bart9k,

It's not true, there ARE consequences for a lot of those AWs who fucked away their teens and 20's.

Many of them wind up with STD's like herpes or venereal warts..... something that never goes away. Some of them are infertile due to pelvic inflammatory disease (oftem caused by longstanding asymptomatic chlamydial infections). They fuck up their endocrine/hormonal balance by spending all their best, fertile years taking birth control ie. the pill.

Even if they got off clean in a physical sense, a lot of them have what I like to call "Sex in the City Syndrome". That's where they've been with so many guys, they can never be satisfied by any one man after experiencing such a wide variety of sexual partners.

It's not just the women who are adapting to these social shifts...... there's an Australian study that indicates that fewer and fewer men are opting for marriage. I've got a feeling that the same trend is going on in Canada and the US as well.

Why? Hey, that's an easy one...... any guy with one good eye can see what his prospects are like if he marries an AW (or any western equivalent). This goes double for those men with decent jobs.

I can see a day in the not too distant future where the only men getting married are those who work at such a shitty, low-paying job they've got nothing to lose. And the AWs will be marrying them because those will be the only guys available who are still interested in getting married.

The only other alternative is that the whole concept of marriage is going to have to be reworked into something more reasonable to both sides. No more of this "married for 2 or 3 years.... pay for it the rest of your life" bullshit.

FYI, before I got married to my foreign born wife, these were the probabilities.

Marry a white girl AW type. LESS than 1 %
Marry any kind of girl born and raised here (westernized) Less than 5%.
Marry an Eastern Euro/Russian girl maybe around 5%
Marry an Asian girl (thai Philipina etc.) at least 20%
Marry a Latina maybe around 30%
Marry some kind of Afro-Carribean girl around 50% (Mainly cause I like black girls!)

My guess is, the only reasons any AWs are getting married at all are because:

A. Most guys are ignorant..... they don't know what they're missing.
B. These women try and make guys feel like losers if they go for an overseas wife.
C. The feminazis have worked hard, behind the scenes, to make it ever more difficult to actually go out and get one of these girls.
D. A lot of guys plain don't care enough, or they're too lazy, or too chicken to take a chance and try go meet the woman of their dreams.

Rock

Sinanju Master

09-07-06, 01:58

That's what happens in a marriage, as was described in a recent post by a newbie. An idea of the bait and switch tactic that can be used on AW's should an AM fall prey to lunacy and actually get married to an AW is to have an ENTIRELY SEPARATE financial world not known to the bride. It will serve as an escape hatch after the bride decides to gut the groom like a felled wildebeast on the Serengeti. This undertaking is not hard, but it must be maintained and kept with greater secrecy than movies of Dubya wearing Victoria's Secret. That way, when the inevitable "real bride" surfaces after several years of marriage (when she decides to act her true self) the shock of the circumstances WON'T be such a shock.

As for marrying ANYONE, AW's would be held to a HIGHER standard than any other group, because of the possibility of things going wrong.

George90

09-07-06, 06:03

If they want me now (and some do for purposes of settling down), they should have been making MY life more pleasant while I was busting my ass in hopes of getting somewhere.
B9k

I resent the ladies who expect men (me) to rescue them for their mistakes NOW after rejecting me BEFORE. I had a part-time job and went to college full-time. I had no time and little money for dating and couldn't comlete with the thugs and their bling-bling. For the past 10 years, overweight 30 somethings with 1-3 kids have been smiling at me. Why? Because the babies they made with the thugs, who are now long gone, now need clothing, schooling, guidance, and discipline. They hope to find decent, stable, successful men to raise their kids for them. As if we have no ambitions of our own or nothing else better to do.

The Latinas I am now pursuing make my life more pleasant now and appreciate the fact that what I have now came from the sacrifices and hard work I did before.

George90

09-07-06, 06:09

Bart9k,
My guess is, the only reasons any AWs are getting married at all are because:

A. Most guys are ignorant..... they don't know what they're missing.
B. These women try and make guys feel like losers if they go for an overseas wife.
C. The feminazis have worked hard, behind the scenes, to make it ever more difficult to actually go out and get one of these girls.
D. A lot of guys plain don't care enough, or they're too lazy, or too chicken to take a chance and try go meet the woman of their dreams.
Rock

I think there is still another reason. Many guys are career/money driven. Married guys get a bit of a pass in corporate America. So real ambitous guys get married in their 20's to anyone who will help them and their careers. As soon as he gets good promotions and earns good money, she turns onto Easy St. and his home life is downhill from then on. BUT she still helps his career so he keeps her around.

George90

09-07-06, 06:16

Whether or not anyone else does, I find it interesting to look at the war between the sexes in a larger context. I don’t think many here have considered just how unique the current situation is. For the 150,000+ years of human existence the consequences for women were direct and profound - motherhood. This dictated their behavior and molded their biological instincts (natural selection). An equilibrium between men and women resulted.

1960 - the pill. Everything changed, literally overnight. Where there used to be unavoidable consequences, now there were none. I’m not even going to try to list all the implications, but quickly - a feeling of goddess like power and control, and with it a massive sense of entitlement.

Very interesting post, HB. I think I agree with it gemerally. I am a bit frightened of its implications though. If the consequences to women for mating badly have diminished, what does that imply about future evolution of humans? De-evolution of some sort?

If both men and women are confused about who we should be mating with, then what is going to happen to the family, in particular, and society, in general. There is substantial research showing that when an activity becomes riskier, we engage in it less. Our confusion makes mating riskier for us. If we mate less, what happens to families? Very interseting indeed!

Hardbarg

09-07-06, 10:28

Very interesting post, HB. I think I agree with it gemerally. I am a bit frightened of its implications though. If the consequences to women for mating badly have diminished, what does that imply about future evolution of humans? De-evolution of some sort?
That's the point. We're in the midst of a dramatic social, possibly evolutionary, upheaval. Having to deal with strident feminazis may very well turn out to be the least of our problems.

DJ FourMoney

09-07-06, 12:43

I feel I have to add something here...

I have been talking to several German and Norwegian women here lately in preparation for my trip next month, finally.

There are several US bases around Germany and many of the soliders are foolish and irresponsible. I'm going to focus mainly on African-American soilders because the women I have been talking too only have contact with them. That's not to say other nationalities in our military are not doing the same thing...

American men are not totally without blame and I'm not going back on anything negative I have said about American women, but we can't generalize about all westernized women.

4 out of 6 girls I have talked too have had previous relationships with black soliders.

All of them have at least 1 child by those soliders, one with 2 and about to have another 1. The others have 1 or 2 kids.

Now that last one, I kicked her to the curb. Obivously she didn't learn after the 1st or 2nd one, so she's aint all that smart. I don't need to deal with that.

The others have been victims. I say victims because these soliders tell them anything they want to hear, they (the girls) fill their lonelyness with a relationship with a local girl and he dumps her just before getting released and moves back to the US. Leaving her with kids and no formal support and the military won't help them

Now it looks like only a few of these children were planned and I'm only getting 1 side of the story. However, none of these women know each other and I hear the same exact story almost word for word -

They hook up with a brotha, they get married (sometimes), have 1-3 children while he's stationed there. Once he's able to leave the army or whatever, many times these men have wives, girlfriends & children back in the states.

Of course the women don't know these things...

One in peculiar quit her German Gov job to be with a solider. Moved out to the US to be with him, when it didn't turn out like promised and he was lured back into the military, she went back to Germany to live with her folks and she cuts hair now. A far cry from her postion before. He fathered a terminally ill child with her, he's only seen once and doesn't pay any support.

Now I understand you can't have every local girl in germany comin up to the base to speak to the base commander about the "mistakes" of our own. But after all, the military does "clean up" after its own.

That's leaving alot of single parent households in Germany with children from American fathers, some who have never seen their father.

That's sad commentary about not only American men, but Black Americans. As a culture we do the same thing to American women, white, black, latina or asian.

So for "us" its a cultural thing. But its not like all men are responible for the things they do.

Im not here to rain on the bash women parade, but these are some very nice women that have been burned by a few tactless men and its going to be a hard decision narrowing it down to just one woman when that time comes.

Its not a game and they are being honest, and never asked me for anything and aren't looking for a free ticket back to the US, though universally they would like to come here as 100% have been here at one time or another and they almost always tell me I wouldn't like it in Germany anyway to live for several reasons.

I just felt I had to clear the air a bit. My trip is going to be the best thing I have ever done and I got some cuties. Should I add to VinceVoyeur's post that none of the girls Im talking too are heavier than 140lbs???

I would share pictures, however these are not part timers or anything like that and we don't know who reads these things.

Paradise is found overseas...

Most American men are too lazy to travel. Im serious, I couldn't get ONE person interested in going with me to Europe to be my wingman. When they ask why, I tell them American women aren't worth the effort. Some agree, some don't say anything but "oh" or "sounds like fun".

They are morrons.... Another thing these women tell me, now this might apply to only brothas, but that some of the local women in Germany literally "throw" themselves at the brothas in the clubs (there some negitives and positives to everything...). Now since Germany has become multicultural, its not just German girls, but Russians, Polish, Czehs, Turkish, etc, etc.

Maybe Im being foolish by doing my ground work before hand, but I'll find a way to get my mack on...

I have serious doubts that I will not be "forced" into any mongering duty on my trip, but as re-payment to the boards in general I will spend some time in some places to give a "newbie" report to those maybe too timid to try. I am from the school of thought that, if I can do this, so can you.

Artisttyp

09-07-06, 20:09

I dont know your friends but what you wrote about them concerns me. I feel really fortunate to be able to travel and meet different kinds of women and would hate to spread our problems from america somewhere else that has yet to be tainted.

Leaving someone behind with a baby knowing the army wont pursue the matter is not cool.

I've caught myself letting my ego get the best of me on monger trips but then I tone it down really fast knowing I could be stuck with AW's . Do the right thing when you travel have fun and try a few different samples for sure but keep it real and you'll leave yourself alot more room for opportunity.

I hope this makes sense.

Sinanju Master

09-07-06, 23:22

dj4m, what you described has been going on in the american military since around the inception of this country. i witnessed it by whites and blacks when i was a kid (i'm an army brat) and i saw it for myself as a soldier, again by whites and blacks. am i excusing black soldiers? nope! however, black soldiers have no monopoly on the game, as i have witnessed. many of these chicks who hang out with the soldiers do so to be with a new "in" crowd to seem cool to their friends. the lure of "life in america" is a powerful one and they get sucked into it. i saw it for myself in panama with a white soldier and a panamanian woman who quickly acclimated to the american woman way of life. anyway, in the respect of seeking a better life, i don't blame the foreign woman for believing in what the american g.i. tells her. it's a leap of faith better not taken, because most likely, she doesn't know gi joe well enough to determine if he is on the up and up. that is one of the pet peeves i have about american soldiers; promising something substantial and leaving the poor chick holding the bag (or shall i say [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131)?).

Chocha Monger

09-08-06, 01:42

DJ4M, you really tore those military boys apart. I mean you ripped them to shreds! I'm surprised that you feel so strongly given that you admitted to not knowing both sides of the story.

Just to add a little to what Sinanju Master said, it certainly isn't racial so don't stereotype. I know good black officers who married German women with bastard kids fathered by local German men. Some of them don't even refer to their blonde hair blue eyed stepchildren as stepchildren. They will go on talking about their son or daughter and you wouldn't have the slightest clue until you meet the kid in person.

Now, there is a certain segment of the female population in European countries that target black US servicemen for their own purposes. Sometimes it's just a fetish, other times it's because they know soldiers can be easily controlled by calling their command. Just think about that for a moment. What other job allows women to call your supervisor and have you send them money without even so much as a DNA test?

The military makes these guys pay especially when presented with proof of paternity. However, once they get out of uniform they're just like any other civilian. What about these women's lack of responsibility in letting these guys bareback them and cum in their pussies knowing full well that they'll be leaving in a year or two? They don't sound very bright do they? Condoms and birth control are more widely available in Northern Europe than the US even for teenagers.

"Baby mama drama" women always b*tch about their "baby daddy(ies)" it's just a fact of life. After you're gone they'll be bitching about you too. There's a reason why these women are in their particular situation. They love certain aspects of the culture and they actively seek it out though they complain.

Isn't there a German member who can give some input on these women?

Bart9000

09-08-06, 06:29

While I absolutely do not advocate making children and then abandoning them, I have to point out to you that these women (German and Norweigan) are citizens of very wealthy countries with high education levels and high standards of living....they aren't innocent, naive, uneducated peasant girls from the countryside of Moldova, Uzbekistan, or Romania. They are smart enough to know what causes babies, and whether or not they have the means to coerce the man to care for his offspring.. As they have this capacity, they are not innocent victims, but instead fully(but not exclusively) culpable for the decisions that shape their lives.

Quite frankly, if I were a German or Norweigan woman, I would be insulted by your perception of the lack of capability to not be victimized by the desires of a horny guy. I strongly suspect you are going to find out the hard way how canny and cagey these "innocent victims" can be.

B9k

DJ FourMoney

09-08-06, 09:19

I have a reply coming...

I do understand what your all saying.

I also want to thank you guys for talking to me like a guy you know down the street.

Watching a football game.. BBL

DJ FourMoney

09-09-06, 07:51

Well here it is -

There really isn't one...

Thank you all for sharing your opinion. If Im wrong about anything I said, then let's share the correct answer.

Are any of these woman, sharks? Maybe, we shall see. Nothing ventured right? and honestly I'll take my chances. I feel its worth my time to investgate this, rather than plan my trip around visiting various FKK's, Partytiffs, and other houses of pleasure in and around Germany and we know P4P isn't exactly "popular" in Norway.

Those are my two destinations....

First mission is to find or at least set in motion - LTR

I was mainly attracted to these boards to find out more information about the brothels I found in Elko, Nev. via another message board. I already "knew" about Rio, but I really didn't "know" until I got on these boards. I knew about Thailand and various other places, but I really didn't understand how deep it went until I got on these boards.

Now after making the decision to travel, I really don't have a ton of interest in P4P outside that its a nice option when other things don't work out.

Will I learn a valuable lesson out of all this? Maybe, maybe not.

Thanks

George90

09-09-06, 16:39

Well here it is -

There really isn't one...

DJ,

I am a little disapointed at your "non-response". I didn't see a big problem with your previous post as male soldiers have been planting their seed in local females since we became humans. Ghengis Khan is reputed to have had hundreds of wives/concubines and thousands of children.

You seem to be a little confused about whether to pursue a wife or sex. My suggestion is to not mix the two. Do not look for sex where wives are to be found. Do not look for wives where sex is to be found.

I am an advocate of marriage/dating agencies and suggest you use a few to find marriage material women in Europe or wherever your preference lies. So long as you know what you are looking for in a wife, know what you have to
offer a potential wife, and can articulately express the two to a woman you should fair very well.

Good luck on your trip.

Rock Dog

09-09-06, 17:15

DJFourMoney,

May I offer you some advice on getting married?

It's not exactly the promised land of relationships..... and we're talking from personal experience here. There's really only a couple of good reasons why you should do it..... and a fair number why you shouldn't.

Reason #1. If you're a social conformist, or you need to be married because you'll get ahead faster in business..... or even because you just feel like that's where you need to be at by a certain age.

Reason #2. You REALLY want to have some kids. This one applies more strongly to women, but still.... some guys get that feeling as well.

That's about it as far as I'm concerned. I do agree with you that getting sex exclusively from pros has kind of an empty feeling to it sometimes. It's a nice feeling to get some love from a woman because she likes you that much.

The thing is, after a while, most guys get bored doing it with just one woman. Try find someone you really like, that likes you in return and keep things that way by NOT getting married...... unless reasons #1 or #2 apply to you.

Rock

George90

09-09-06, 18:25

Rock,

I think that is excellent advice for a man!

Do you have an insight on the reasons why a woman should or should not marry?

Flood800

09-09-06, 18:34

DJFourMoney,

... It's a nice feeling to get some love from a woman because she likes you that much...

Rock

Please remember that "loving” feeling may not last forever, may not even last a year... It may even turn to hate... and becomes VERY expensive

But there again, some people do live happily ever after, normally the boring kind, uninspired, not normally found in ISG

Flood800

09-09-06, 18:41

Rock,

I think that is excellent advice for a man!

Do you have an insight on the reasons why a woman should or should not marry?

Women should not merry men (she could merry another woman!) the reason is that the “gentle sex” should be kind to all God's creatures, including men. So please, leave us alone, so that we are free to roam the world in search of everlasting youth, especially of female kind.

Bart9000

09-09-06, 19:13

You seem to be very subject to the western societal programing, which dictates that you as a boring dependable income producer are a homogenous commodity with no value, and need to bring something extra (providing a "rescue" to a woman who has previously made poor choices) to the table in order to have a woman......

I assure you that this isn't the case. You CAN, if you look in the right places, have and keep a woman who is young, attractive, and who hasn't made a mess out of her life with poor choices....it isn't necessary to be the janitor of relationships.

B9k

Sinanju Master

09-09-06, 21:45

In the beginning, you seemed to be in the P4P camp, and all was good. Lately, you seem to be be defecting (relatively from out of the blue) and going into the marriage camp. If that is your intent, so be it, BUT if you meet Ms. Right and exhibit the same lack of certainty that is evident from your recent posts, she will pick up on that quicker than a crooked politician seeing a "60 Minutes" van in front of his house, and VAMOOSE!

MY take on the institution of marriage is that it CAN be like a Venus Flytrap. Alluring in the beginning, but after you have been there for a while and see things for what they really are, there is no escape. Love is a wonderful thing, but it does NOT last forever, AND many marriages (after a while) MAY have love AND sex, but not BOTH in ideal quantities. What happens when you STOP discovering that woman who so bewitched you with her wiles in the beginning of your relationship? You lose interest and start looking at OTHER women. What happens when you've discovered every single curve, nook and cranny of the body of the woman you've married? The exciting "newness" of it all evaporated long ago. Either you or her or BOTH of you fall into predictable routine and stop doing for each other what it was that made you HAVE to have one another. How long will she do things for you JUST BECAUSE she loves you and likes to be the cause of a smile appearing on your face? How long will YOU be willing to massage her back or rub her feet because she's had a hard day (or just simply BECAUSE YOU LOVE HER) and be her knight in shining armor?

These questions were meant to make you engage in self-reflection and THINK about what it is you want to do BEFORE you make an irrevocable choice.

This is not a flame at all. I am not curious about the outcome of your decision, nor do I have any stake in it whatsoever, but your indecision was becoming mildly maddening...

Chocha Monger

09-10-06, 06:44

After reading DJ4Money's post and the responses, I felt like Master Yoda sensing the growing strength of the dark side of the Force and the return of the Sith.

DJ FourMoney

09-10-06, 11:15

actually i just didn't know how to respond -

i do like the advantages of p4p...

this might be a longin, so bare with me.

p4p locally would make more sense, than traveling all over god's green earth for it. now i understand that basically you’re killing two birds with one stone when you combined travel with your sexual activities.

locally only makes sense if:

1) your made of money
2) foolish and lazy
3) fat and all the above

why would i wanna pay $500 for the company of a local ho? i just have a deep problem with that. i don't have a problem parting with money, far from it as i have a hard time actually saving money, but spending $500 for "robotic" sex?

no way and frankly most of them don't look that hot, i have seen a few in person.

i fully understand you have to pay top dollar for top pussy, which is not lost on me. but that seems that only applies in america. that doesn't even apply in canada from what i have read.

going to canada would kinda make sense in a way, its closer, the exchange rate is better. but after being there, seems canada has a serious case of the "average" looking woman. they also aren't immune to the chubbiness problem we have down here. i dunno if i can stand somebody saying "aa" either.

brazil requires visas and the language is a barrier i wasn't willing to deal with. after adding it all up, the cost to travel and monger since that's about all i would be doing in sao palo. i mean besides "site seeing" and dancing to music i can't understand the lyrics too, i wouldn't be doing much else and the cost of company with somebody that spoke english is quite pricey in its own right.

sorry sampa guide...

argentina after further review doesn't seem to be the ideal place for newcomers. sure i could go the mansion and this is no dis to jackson or anybody else that hangs out down there. but c'mon, i’m a mid 30's dude that looks about 25 still and most of my friends are under 25 as well, with a few around my age sprinkled in.

somehow i don't find it all that appealing to hang around a bunch of harden older men.

the prices are reasonable like sampa and rio, but even cheaper in most cases. but again, because of the education level of most of the people in ba, spanish is the main spoken language and again it’s a barrier as i can't even understand the people looking for things at work...

i'm not interested in "crash courses" on anything.

i really don't like asian women. i'm a t&a guy; they usually have none unless they are eurasian or paid for it. i also maintain that the best looking ones are already here (i.e.: in the us). but i don't drive a benz (my thai homie does), so that leaves low brow filipinas and koreans mostly, not ideal at all.

now i will venture to both mexico and british columbia in early '07

my dawg at work has an aunt that owns a nice house in mexico city. we are welcome to visit. i’m down and i'm gone... once the weather warms up a little down there.

the thai dude along with a few other asian dudes and me one black guy are going to go to seattle and bc for about a week once the snow melts up there.

that should prove interesting, but not really.

so now that i have updated everybody on my travel plans...

in search of... (in my best impression of leonard nimoy)

a long term relationship.

rock dog

its actually reasons 1&2

i love kids, i want kids. i have always wanted all the positives that come with having a ltr and kids. i believe its picking the correct one that is the hardest thing to do in life because one slight miscalculation and you’re hatin fo life.

don't worry i am probing deep and i will probe even deeper. i can only do so much online and on the phone.

i'm not just limiting it to just these girls. i hope to meet some other women along the way. most of that will be focused in norway. i can more than likely do more damage in germany but i don't have a "base" of operation in germany yet to really get that done. i can always go back when i have a larger budget anyway, just not this trip.

bart

you know i don't wanna be like "grandpa". both ways -

play capt save a hoe or desperate old man

i fully understand what you mean and no i haven't fallen prey too it. i can get what i want in a woman, i just have to be smart about it. trust me, i am not looking forward to going from being single at home, with a cat to feed, to providing/caring for a woman and her children.

that's a big jump in responsibility bee... that's something i don't need to happen at the speed of sound. being a first time parent is actually very important to me.

but i would accept it if i found she was ideal otherwise.

cm via master, i am truly sorry.

i don't mean to ignore your teachings; i just need to make these decisions on my own.

i think i can do both. after all europe is open to both. however this trip my budget dictates alot of my activities. luckily for me, in return for lodging, i give up some of my personal freedom (and i get to hit it...). so the plan is to get some "playtime" in before i "officially" hit town, if you know what i mean.

i'm in the process of narrowing it down and i have a single and childless yougin (27) on the radar now and i'm kinda focusing on her and not the others so much, but it’s not like they can tell that ;)

this yougin is already planning to return the favor by coming out to los angeles to visit me.

so that brings you all up to date and i hope i didn't disappoint anybody.

George90

09-10-06, 14:43

Normally I cringe when guys shoot down another guy's thoughts as "paralysis of analyis". I am an analyzer and see a great deal of value in in thinking with your big head before you go into a situation where your little head is going to see a lot of action or is hoping to see a lot of action. However, DJ's post seems to be well described by that phrase.

This is not a flame or meant as an insult to DJ. I want to point out that DJ listed several reasons why one or another country didn't have women suitable for him, listed several reasons why marriage or P4P might be good or bad for him, and finally wrote that his budget dictates his actions. In the end, there is a tentative short-term plan but no concrete long-term plan. (Not that there needs to be any plan, but then why write such a post.) To me this reflects a mid-30's guy who is deeply confused and indecisive about the role that a woman partner, or women partners, will play in his life.

DJ is not the only man who may be experiencing that kind of ambivalence. US society and AW have made themselves much less attractive to US men. That leaves a serious void that we MUST fill but often don't know how. The best way to fill that void is to examine ourselves to determine exactly what kind of void we have and exactly what we want to fill it with. That is what the term "check-up from the neck up" refers to. Many men in this forum have done their check-up and decided to fill their voids with foreign P4P. That is part of what this forum is for.

DJ has not really done his check-up. I hope he does before he goes on his trips.

Ezinho

09-10-06, 17:13

All of the responses to DJ4M have been right on I think, so I'm not going to pile on anymore, just wanted to add some insight...

I think you just need to go on this trip and let whatever happen, happen. I've been reading about your travel plans since January I think, while I was living in Ecuador. I've now been back in the States for four months, and you still haven't gone! Dude, just go already. I have the same reservations about this trip as probably everyone else on this board, but I think at the very least, it will be a good learning experience for you. And as George90 mentioned, you do sound confused about what you want, but that's not all your fault; who can blame you? Relationships in this country are so messed up right now, especially with guys our age (late 20's-early 30's). Our dicks are telling us one thing (find hot pussy) and society is telling us something else (be a wage slave and let women be the boss). So women are wearing the pants and more and more guys are surrendering their balls. I can't tell you how many buddies I have who haven't been married for even a few years, and are already looking for a way out of their self-made prison. Just wanted to add a few things:

1. If you don't want to learn another language, that's fine, but I really think you're holding yourself back, and missing out on some awesome opportunities. Besides, Spanish really isn't that difficult (ok, the verbs can be a pain in the ass, I agree), and you don't need to be fluent to pick up women; basic knowledge works. And once you are in a LTR with a latina, you will be suprised how quickly she will help you pick up the language.

2. As far as going to Germany and Norway, I have no info on either of those countries. I just have to assume that you like aryan-type women, and that you know what you're doing. If the non-pro's fail in Germany, like you said, there are P4P options, but what are you going to do if things don't work out in Norway?? I'm not saying they won't but I think it's good to have a back-up plan, that's all. Again, you probably know what you're doing, just wanted to make sure.

3. I can kind of understand your desire for a LTR (*kind of*), but if you are successful in finding that, are you willing to relocate to Europe? Both countries you're visiting are very wealthy, and I can't imaging that there are hordes of Nordic girls looking to escape their state-run welfare system. Also, the argument has been made before by European men that their women are just as bad as AW, and that it's not just the U.S., but the entire Western world that is affected by feminism. It would suck for you to leave the States only to find the same type of women in Europe as well. Have you looked into what type of laws they have on the books regarding marriage/relationships there? How much does the woman get if she decides it's "not working out" etc?

I could go on and on, but I think I'll just leave it at that. Like I said, just go and do what you gotta do, and regardless of what happens, I think this will be an excellent experience for you. At the very least, I'm sure this will be your first of many overseas trips. Suerte (good luck!)

Flood800

09-10-06, 17:41

[QUOTE=Ezinho]All of the responses to DJ4M have been right on I think, so I'm not going to pile on anymore, just wanted to add some insight...

Same here, not piling on advice, just some observations.

As for women from Norway and Germany, or any western nations, they are changing, become more like AW by the day, they are taking tips from magazines, US TV chat shows and reading books in the art of ball crushing. There are two kinds of woman in Europe, the stupid and the shrewd. The stupid one will fuck anyone with a dick and have endless children, not much in the way of (meaningful) conversation, so language should not be a problem! The shrewd ones will make you in to the man of her dream, so you will do as you are told.

There still places in the Orient where you could find girls/woman who you might like/can to live with, who knows it may even turnout to be a long term happy relationship. In most cases, the children will be beautiful, as Eurasians – American-Asians of then are. They also likely to be clever and do well in schools. With the mixed genes, they are normally physically stronger.

Just a thought

The important thing is to enjoy, whatever you decide

Sinanju Master

09-10-06, 17:46

actually i just didn't know how to respond -

brazil requires visas and the language is a barrier i wasn't willing to deal with. after adding it all up, the cost to travel and monger since that's about all i would be doing in sao palo. i mean besides "site seeing" and dancing to music i can't understand the lyrics too, i wouldn't be doing much else and the cost of company with somebody that spoke english is quite pricey in its own right.

sorry sampa guide...

argentina after further review doesn't seem to be the ideal place for newcomers. sure i could go the mansion and this is no dis to jackson or anybody else that hangs out down there. but c'mon, i’m a mid 30's dude that looks about 25 still and most of my friends are under 25 as well, with a few around my age sprinkled in.

somehow i don't find it all that appealing to hang around a bunch of harden older men.

the prices are reasonable like sampa and rio, but even cheaper in most cases. but again, because of the education level of most of the people in ba, spanish is the main spoken language and again it’s a barrier as i can't even understand the people looking for things at work...

i'm not interested in "crash courses" on anything.

translation: i want things handed to me on a platter because making an effort to seize the things i want is unpalatable.

now i will venture to both mexico and british columbia in early '07

my dawg at work has an aunt that owns a nice house in mexico city. we are welcome to visit. i’m down and i'm gone... once the weather warms up a little down there.

just a few short sentences ago, there was a language barrier, but now there's not?

cm via master, i am truly sorry.

i don't mean to ignore your teachings; i just need to make these decisions on my own.

i think i can do both. after all europe is open to both. however this trip my budget dictates alot of my activities. luckily for me, in return for lodging, i give up some of my personal freedom (and i get to hit it...). so the plan is to get some "playtime" in before i "officially" hit town, if you know what i mean.

i'm in the process of narrowing it down and i have a single and childless yougin (27) on the radar now and i'm kinda focusing on her and not the others so much, but it’s not like they can tell that ;)

this yougin is already planning to return the favor by coming out to los angeles to visit me.

so that brings you all up to date and i hope i didn't disappoint anybody.

yes, the decision is yours, as will also be the (relatively) permanent results. life is not perfect, and nether will be the choices from which you will have to make your decision(s). if life were perfect, i'd marry a sane wonderful aw who loves making me happy as much as i do her. she would love sex and never let herself go simply because she obtained her goal and landed the big one. she would never try to engage in power plays to subjugate me. she'd work as hard at the union as i would and we'd have kids that were a joy to behold. however, i don't possess the lamp containing the genie, so that's not going to happen. i made my decision based on what would be best for me, now and in the long run. each side has its positives and negatives, but i chose the one with the least negatives and that will allow me to still enjoy the positives. positives that many married men will only be able to live vicariously as we engage each other in conversation. getting back to my translation, if i waited for things to be absolutely perfect and for things to be handed to me, the wind would have rep001tered my dusty remains long before that happened.

Rock Dog

09-10-06, 18:05

dj

you mentioned that you "were in your mid-30's, but still looked 25". my friend, just take a few more years and keep saving your money. you could retire at a very early age to the destination of your choice. someplace where it's cheap to raise kids and the women won't have an impossible legal advantage over you in case anything goes wrong.

yeah, it's true that language can be a barrier. but it's not hard for them to learn a little english..... and you can learn a little of their language too. that's pretty much the way i learned a lot of my spanish. i find that pussy truly is the great motivator of all mankind!

george90,

i generally try not to think about reasons why a woman should or shouldn't do something. i have a hard enough time understanding their thought processes to begin with. that being said, i guess the same 2 reasons i gave should apply to women as well. 1 reason a woman should not get married is for mostly financial considerations (ie. marry a guy bc he makes a lot of $$$). this is analogous to a man marrying a woman solely for her looks.

in both cases, the same thing happens..... you quickly get used to their main attractive quality (the man's $$ or the woman's looks) while all their undesirable characteristics continue to annoy the hell out of you!

it seems like a lot of women are convincing themselves that these guys with the good-paying jobs are "ok". divorce usually follows in short order...... with the attendant financial [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) of the husband in divorce court.

so, i say again, don't get married for silly reasons or for financial ones.

rock

Wheels And Legs

09-10-06, 19:57

Hello All,

Man I can't believe that any one living in Wpg. Doesn't know about the stock exchange. It's at the corner of Logan and Arlington and has been for ever. The bar itself has under gone many changes, but today it is called Teddy Bob's. The facts are the facts and yes there has been an ongoing "operation" there for years. One very strong word of caution though, PLEASE BE CAREFUL! I think the location speaks volumes but, the place is full and sometimes over run by our "red brothers" I have seen some very, very fine ladies there though and without doubt the day time is the right time if you plan an adventure there. Don't worry about finding the ladies, after you order a beer and set a spell and after they have checked you out, they'll make themselves known. It can be a blast and if you don't want the first one to come alone there will be others. Just be polite and wait, remember they are all in this together so, if you tick off one, you've ticked them all off and will no doubt be asked to leave by a very unfreindly and uncommanly large "waiter". All in all though if you are politel and take care once the ladies have you scoped out as a "client", you are as safe as you can be in that situation, LOL Just keep your wits about you and Keep Pumpin'

Rock Dog

09-11-06, 01:20

W+L,

Whoops! You totally posted that in the wrong forum.

As an explanation to the AW regulars, I make some fairly regular posting in the Winnipeg Forum (since that's my hometown). I think Wheels saw my name on the most recent post and made his post in response.

Maybe Jackson could move these posts over to where they belong, but I'm sure this isn't the first time it's ever happened.

Rock

Artisttyp

09-11-06, 04:41

DJ FourMoney

09-11-06, 08:57

i am leaving actually ezinho. the price drops by $50 after oct 25th, that's the only thing that's holding things up at the moment. once i figure that out, i will have dates

right now its after oct 11

or right after oct 25th

i'll be away for 3 weeks or the better part of 21 days.

i have set it all up. bills are paid all the way out to nov and if i decide to leave later, then i might have everything paid out to jan '07.

i may fall on my face, that doesn't bother me.

now if was going to jump off the plane and shout "here i am!" my reception would be lukewarm to say the least.

c'mon give me some credit, i have investigated my options and while i might seem to be lazy, i'm not. i work when told and work overtime when asked, i do my task, complete them and stay over if i need too. now personally yeah there long over due projects, but who doesn't?

don't get me wrong masta, i like bunda, i really do. i'll get down there, just not this trip and reguardles of what happens, i'll be traveling alone or with a wingman for at least another 1-2 years.

mexico would be a challenge if i didn't know spanish right? well i know a bit, but my boy antonio is fluent and he's down like two flat tires! we're going "hynas huntin" and that should be very interesting. he's not even 21 yet, so his options for traveling are a bit limited.

flood800 -

my buddy mike is flip and he's always suggesting i go down there, find me one, sit back and let her work. i dunno, that just doesn't seem appealing. i just feel asians are 3rd on the depth chart just ahead of black women. i am not closed to the idea, but i haven't ran across any i just had to meet.

not say i won't ever make it down to thailand or the "islands" either. i actually want to see malayasia. when? i dunno, its on the list.

i think we're all a bit pessimistic on these boards.

i shall forge ahead, full speed...

http://www.moviefreak.com/dvd/images/swaotc3.jpg

DJ FourMoney

09-11-06, 09:06

I agree 100%. Sometimes I stay away for 3 weeks and even that is not enough.

Why not map out a few pfp encounters then make time for your other missions? Dont pay all this money without getting the most out of it.

Dont forget to pack a lunch....no liquids.

Artisttyp

Its planned out somewhat... I've been investigating the Frankfurt. I can afford to make only 1 inter-european R/T during my stay on this trip. Looks like I'll make an appearance at one of the many places in that area.

I wanted to hit Prague, but I'm not sure I can do that. We'll see, I might have more money available.

Here's a hint, I went 4-0 today, got the under on the Buc/Ravens game, the outright victory with the Falcons, Victory on the road with the Bengals and got the ATS victory with San Fran.

This weekend: 7-3 ATS and 9-1 ST (Dayum it Texas!)

This was a plan all along so that's why I have limited my scope. If I have more money available, I'll have more options, but I can't plan around what I don't have....

:D No negitive post about betting on Football either, been at it 10 years...

Rock Dog

09-12-06, 05:00

DJ,

I really can relate to what you said about falling on your face. Don't worry about the possibility of failure. Even if things totally go wrong, it's better to have failed trying than to have never tried at all.

Don't get me wrong, chances are your trip will be a success!!

Rock

DJ FourMoney

09-12-06, 09:06

I didnt mean to be down on your trip, just regurgitating what I have heard from quite a few guys with tons of experience and have found to be true myself.

Definitely hope you get laid whatever happens.

I will share anything that is of interest to you all. This is a brotherhood and we're bound to have disagreements over alot of things. But this is a general support network I enjoy being involved in.

Furiouz

09-12-06, 19:56

ah I read back a few pages and came onto this post.

from the one and only jamesd2004.

I remember his trolling days quite fondly.

ps I kind of like this postBlasphemy! Sinner!

LOL

CBGBConnisur

09-13-06, 07:10

Its planned out somewhat... I've been investigating the Frankfurt. I can afford to make only 1 inter-european R/T during my stay on this trip. Looks like I'll make an appearance at one of the many places in that area.

I wanted to hit Prague, but I'm not sure I can do that. We'll see, I might have more money available.

Here's a hint, I went 4-0 today, got the under on the Buc/Ravens game, the outright victory with the Falcons, Victory on the road with the Bengals and got the ATS victory with San Fran.

This weekend: 7-3 ATS and 9-1 ST (Dayum it Texas!)

This was a plan all along so that's why I have limited my scope. If I have more money available, I'll have more options, but I can't plan around what I don't have....

:D No negitive post about betting on Football either, been at it 10 years...

DJ, besides Prague, check out Talin Estonia, the Bangkok of Eastern Europe. Anyway, I am leaving Oz and going back to the States, but will reappear somewhere in Central Europe.

Doctor_Skank

09-13-06, 07:46

"Talin Estonia, the Bangkok of Eastern Europe"

Its not. Read the forum reports on Talinn, much of it is negative. There certainly isnt a truly developed p4p market there and freebie action has been much reduced since tourists started flooding there a few years ago.

It terms of pro action, easy access, relatively affordable pricing and quality service, IMHO Germany is the top address in Europe... especially in the Frankfurt and Ruhr areas. If your interest is pro sex, places like Prague or Talinn are merely sidetracks. I've been going to EE for years and still find that some of the hottest EE girls I have had were in German FKKs.

In terms of freebie/dating action, I think the black man will find that Germany is one of his better markets, better than Czech Republic or Estonia in any case.

DJ FourMoney

09-13-06, 08:35

"Talin Estonia, the Bangkok of Eastern Europe"

Its not. Read the forum reports on Talinn, much of it is negative. There certainly isnt a developed p4p market there and freebie action has been much reduced since tourists started flooding there a few years ago.

It terms of pro action, easy access, relatively affordable pricing and quality service, IMHO Germany is the top address... especially in the Frankfurt and Ruhr areas. If your interest is pro sex, places like Prague or Talinn are merely sidetracks.

In terms of freebie/dating action, I think the black man will find that Germany is one of his better markets.

I have no problem finding enough German ladies to talk too that's for sure...

I'd have to show AM my bank statement and the keys to my apartment (I don't have one) for them to even consider me!

Thanks for the support Skank, the good Doctor has made his presents felt.

Bart9000

09-15-06, 06:31

The question: Is American TV a reflection of the American populace, or is the American populace a reflection a it's TV. I'm inclined towards the former.

I once tried getting online and found that I couldn't. At the time, I had DSL and thought that I may have forgotten to pay the phone bill. I drove to a pay phone to call the phone company.....and discovered that the phone system had crashed due to being overwhelmed by calls to "American Idol". I thought to myself "I am sooooo living in the wrong country"

Interesting dramas with original concepts tend to get cancelled (an exception-"Lost")......mostly it's the same brainless crap over and over. American Television is to entertainment what Mickey Dees is to the culinary arts......sort of just "filling" in the empty holes of our time without any real merit.

B9k

Chocha Monger

09-15-06, 07:31

the other was the host. she was a decent looking american. so of course they show all these men talking to her in the streets. its just sickening. her instinct is to just close off, kind of reject them, it seems as if shes disgusted by men to her core. they show her doing tango. all the other couples look very romantic, fluid, enjoying the moment of male female closeness, and its awesome. this ***** is like acting all too cool for her dancer. disgusting.
marak,

you have to understand that american women generally regard any male outside their immediate family as a potential [CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126), hence their unapproachable manner. they are obsessed with the thought of being raped, taken by force and violated. this first occurred to me in college where girls constantly jabbered about the latest rumor about prowling [CodeWord127] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord127) on campus or the sorority girl who got "slipped a mickey" only to find out that she was gang banged by the basketball team the next day.

approaching a strange aw means being labeled a "potential [CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126)" until proven otherwise. this proud tradition has been embodied in imbra, now foreign brides can presume their american husbands are violent [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) scumbags until proven otherwise.

american women see sex as something valuable, a thing not given freely but traded for a large sum of money, status or other advantage. therefore they are always preoccupied that someone may try to "steal" sex or take it by force. it is like the guy walking around a bad neighborhood with too much cash in his pockets.

you can barely ask an aw for directions or other general information without her presuming that your real intention is to fuck her. at some point it gets tiring for american men being regarded in this fashion that they too try to avoid speaking to strange women, unless of course they want to fuck them. in the end it all becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

Capt Ajax

09-15-06, 12:28

Furiouz

09-15-06, 19:04

Here's a sorry ass ad I clipped off CL. If any of you guys have a spare $7,000 lying around this college b!tch needs you ASAP. What a load of crock!! It would not surprise me if some a$$hole out there offered her the $$$.

college girl needs you - w4m
Reply to: pers-207568657@craigslist.org
Date: 2006-09-15, 4:57AM EDT

I need a man who can help me with 7k that I need by 12 noon, I am a college kid who is serious where are you?

This chick needs to go do some porn..$1000 a shoot they are up to now.

RE: American TV...it's junk. Violence, drug use, murder are all the prevalent themes in the most popular shows. Oh, but don't show any breasts or couples making love, that's a sin. Every sit-com or commercial is a demonstration in male-bashing. Hot wife, smart-alecky kids always showing up Dad. Let us not get into how every woman on TV is blond, even the Asian reporter on my local news channel is blonde with big boobs. Hey, I thought America was about diversity?
And the sad part is, THE WHOLE WORLD watches what's on American TV. I was chatting with a cute little 18 year old from Romania last night. Her favorite show is CSI:Wherever. Americans (in general , of course) are mentally lazy and really do not wwant anything new or thought provoking on the telly. Otherwise PBS would kill every other station. Oh..PBS rocks hard. I love it.

RE: American Women...(pulls out a stick and beats the dead and decaying horse)

RE: Sports. Sports are the only true drama left up to chance. We don't know how the outcome will be. The upset is one of the sweetest things in our lives. Sports matter because they don't matter. The Chiefs vs Broncos will not have any effect on gas prices, will not add taxes, will not put food on or take food off our tables. But it will bring people together for 3 hours, to laugh, talk and enjoy company. That's the importance of sports.

Cheers, my brothas.

F

Tallguy2004

09-16-06, 14:53

I am President of a company in the U.S. Early this year, I hired a new Accounting Manager, partly for her skills, partly because she is a knockout. She is not a slutty-type knockout, but a beautiful Midwestern girl 29 years old.

This week she seemed down so I asked her what was wrong. She said she is looking for a new place since she is leaving her boyfriend of two years.

Friday we went to lunch together (pre-scheduled, I have lunch with each of my directs every 6-8 weeks.) We talked about business. She also volunteered that she was trying to get the BF to go to therapy, but expected she would still be moving out in to months. I asked if she would buy a place, and she answered she still had some work to do in order to "save enough" to buy a house. She has kids so this seems important. I also know that her ex-boyfriend-to-be makes less money than she does.

We talked a little shop, but mainly I counseled her that over the next few years the company should grow significantly and I may move the facility, and would she be interested in being the Accounting Manager of a larger, multi-facility company, of course making a much better salary. She answered emphatically that this is what she wants. I added that I want to be he career advocate and that we need to work together to grow her career. (Aside from her physical appearance, she is actually a good Accounting Manager.)

I then asked if I could offer some personal comments and ideas, and she answered, "Of course."

I told her a story of a woman with whom I had worked years before. The woman had found herself in a similar situation in her late twenties (suddenly single with kids, etc.) I told her that this woman, my close friend years later, had told me of something she did after her sudden break-up that had turned out to be the best thing she could have done at that time. I said she had gotten a "Sugar Daddy."

I awaited her reaction. Rather than one of disgust or, "I'd never do that," her facial expression changed to one of pleasant contemplation, and she said, "Not a bad idea." Seeing a "proceed with caution" signal, I added some details - that this woman stayed alone with her sugar daddy only once or twice per month, that she had gotten everything she had wanted out of the arrangement and had been able to save enough to buy a house, had been able to truly focus on herself and her kids since she was freed of relationship worries, and that after three years she met the man of her dreams and ended the sugar daddy relationship amicably. I added that later, the sugar daddy even came to her wedding as they had remained friends. Seeing a continuing friendly ear, I closed that the sugar daddy was the woman's boss.

My guest responded that she and her sister had just had a conversation in which my guest had shared with her, sister "I really want to take some time out of serious relationships for awhile," and later added from the same conversation, "Maybe I just need someone to take care of me."

OK, we're 3 ball and no strikes, 2 men on base and the pitcher is tiring. I go for a base hit. I added in a passing but direct way, "Of course that woman was nowhere near the stunningly beautiful woman you are..." No reaction from my guest. Not a frown, not a smile, just a continued pleasant facial expression while listening to me, as if I had not uttered a word. I later made a similar passing but strong comment about her beauty, but with the same result from my lovely guest. I am not sure how to gauge this part of the exchange.

We finished lunch, talking only business and went back to the office.

At this stage, I am very interested in making an arrangement with this woman. I am married so plan to of course be extremely careful.

Here's my question for the brethren: Is this a green light, a yellow light or a red light? What should be my next steps?

Sinanju Master

09-16-06, 20:19

Tallguy2004, this smells of a TRAP! Let me tell you why: this is a BUSINESS setting in which you volunteered the info about the Sugar Daddy and of YOUR desire to do the same. She now KNOWS that she has something YOU want and that you are willing to "go for it". Remember, this is AMERICA! Translation: if you get accused of sexual harassment, the burden of PROOF is upon the ACCUSED (overwhelmingly MALE) and PROVING your innocence beyond a doubt will be an uphill battle. Even if you DO, there are those out there that will say the justice system did NOT do it's job (metaphorically tarring and feathering you, and draining your financial resources dry) and that you got off scot free. This woman seems like a calculating shark since her reaction was not one of SURPRISE at either end of the spectrum. You said that her reaction was one of pleasant contemplation. The wheels in her head INSTANTLY started turning to CONTEMPLATE how much it is that she can sue you for. I can NOT emphasize STRONGLY ENOUGH that this is a BAD IDEA!! When she hauls you into court, you will AMAZED at how quickly her demeanor changes from the time when the two of you had lunch. Her attorney (who will ALREADY be making arrangements to purchase his next Benz) will portray her as a helpless victim who was under duress to acquiesce to her boss' demands for sex or lose her job. Add THAT to the fact that she's a single mom trying to support a kid, and the attorney's job of making YOU seem like a sex-crazed monster will be complete. You will spend YEARS (possibly DECADES) repairing your professional and personal life.

BEWARE THE DARK SIDE OR FOREVER WILL IT RULE YOUR DESTINY!

Bart9000

09-16-06, 21:36

My time is limited, and I have some things going on. However, let me make a brief suggestion.

First go out and get an escort who is better looking than this girl. Fuck her for as many hours as is necessary to gain clarity in your thinking.

Forget that this conversation occurred. Take great pains to treat this woman neither any better nor any worse than your other subordinates. Either will expose you to being bent over and fucked with no kiss.

This may sound freaky and paranoid, but were I in your position, I would invest in some covert surveilence equipment (check local laws too) and find a way to document the date and time of what is being surveiled. $1000 for a couple of "bugs" and video taping setups for your office, and any other place you might encounter her privately could save you a $30,000 lawsuit payment, plus likely expensive as fuck divorce.

B9k

AHornyGuy

09-16-06, 22:36

Is this a green light, a yellow light or a red light? What should be my next steps?This is a bright red light as far as whether you should take pursue this arrangement.

As the president of the company, I am actually surprised that you would even think of contemplating a relationship with an employee. It boils down basically to being exposed to legal jeopardy on more than one front. At best, she might get pissed at some point and tell your wife what is going on; if she does not tell her directly, she could tell other co-workers of the arrangement she has with you and one of them could tell your wife.

Finally, as others have pointed out she could accuse you of sexual harrassment and you would not have a leg to stand on. Don't even have another conversation with her about this subject and if she brings it up tell her that she misunderstood what you were saying. You would not know at what point she is recording conversations with you.

Think with your head - and especially not with the little head. There are lots of other fish in the sea. Why go for what could be a barracuda?

Member #4351

09-16-06, 23:39

I agree with Bart and the Master. This could end up costing you much, much more than you can imagine. I suggest you PM Lima Busy (posts on the Peru forum) who was in your shoes, and followed through. Ask him what happened....

George90

09-17-06, 00:45

I am President of a company in the U.S. Early this year, I hired a new Accounting Manager, partly for her skills, partly because she is a knockout. She is not a slutty-type knockout, but a beautiful Midwestern girl 29 years old.

I agree with Sinanju Master. This is a trap. BUT, it is not a trap for TAllGuy. IT IS A TRAP FOR US!!!!!!!!! This scenario is completely false. There are several clues.

First, VERY few men or women who become professional accountants are "knockouts". The work to become a CPA is far too demanding and anyone who is really good looking will end up doing something else that capitalizes on their looks.

Second, presidents/owners of businesses are far too busy to lurk on these forums. Maybe if someone is the sole employee of his own small business he may have down time and relax lurking here for an hour or two. No owner or company president with employees has that much free time to lurk here.

Third, no one with anything to lose, such as a large salary, will risk it all by sharing the contemplation of an illegal act (sexual harassment) on a public forum. That is called conspiracy.

I believe this is a setup by a feminist writer trying to fabricate a story based on our reactions to her false scenario.

I recommend we put this thread to rest by not responding any more.

Satellite

09-17-06, 01:13

David, Bart, Master pretty much said it all. Definitely a case to step back and look at what you want and got. If a simple case of nooky with a beautiful lady, go out of town and get an Escort. It can be exciting to be in another relationship but the penalties are on the large side for playing Sugar Daddy as a married man.

I'm in China now and here, having a $300-$400/mo. pretty young assistant to "play" with is the norm (whether either is married or not).

Since it is so common here, I hear many stories about the "endings" between a Sugar Daddy and a lady. The "endings" HERE can be grouped in a few classic cases.

1) The lady walks away or is paid several $ k (in China) as the lady is just happy to get their freedom and find someone who "loves" them. Theoretically, they can not date while being taken care of.

2) The lady tries to break up the marraige to get the daddy (most common as there is few other longterm future for them).

3) The lady or Sugar Daddy ends it. Many cases include a violent ending (applicable in most 3rd world countries including my current one) to either the Sugar Daddies Wife, the Lady or Daddy.

Note: In front of my apartment, there is a flier of a picture of a graphic beheaded lady as the police are asking for any info. There is a good chance playing this game is a reason.

Just be careful. Pay for play "with someone you do not know" maybe the easiest way to get rid of an idea of playing a Sugar Daddy.

Is anyone in this group having longterm success as a Sugar Daddy in the USA (being married)?

Sinanju Master

09-17-06, 01:23

That's a very real possibility. What with the amount of spirits I've imbibed today and yesterday, my investigative abilities are limited. HOWEVER, I noticed that the SN ended in the digits "2004". That made me a bit suspicious that it may be a certain troll reincarnated. If it IS a sneaking, man-hating feminist, then she must have gotten her source from some heavy investigative work, since more people DON'T know about this site than people who DO. If the latter is true, I can see some of the contents of this site turning up in college newspapers in order to vilify men.

Chocha Monger

09-17-06, 02:45

Quid pro quo is a crime in the US and Tallguy2004 broke the law period. I think he should be consulting his lawyer because I'm pretty sure this woman already has consulted with hers. When he issued the proposition the glazed look in her eyes was due to the visions of the candy canes dancing pass the windshield of her new Jaguar.

Anyway, the damage is done. All he can do now is to sit back and wait for this woman to call up the ex-boyfriend and tell him about her jackpot. It's going to be payday because judges don't like married bosses who want to fuck single mommies who just got dumped by their boyfriend.

This is a highly unusual case, I can't imagine why anyone would want to throw away a career, family and money over some washed up broke single mommy from the Mid-West.

As for "2004" it does bring me fond memories of a little troll who once frequented these parts until Jackson banished him to a cold dark corner of ISG.

Hardbarg

09-17-06, 03:25

Well, at this point it's a case of he said, she said. Hard to prove in court. Unless she was wearing a wire.

Feminist plots aside, it's hard to believe there is a male executive in the US who wouldn't be aware he was putting his future in this woman's hands just by raising the issue, let alone actually getting involved. Something odd about this whole story.

Paddy

09-17-06, 04:32

Tall Guy,

A very real problem with these girls is that after you screw them they suddenly want MORE and become disenchanted with being just a "fuck buddy."

This happened to a friend of mine and after a period of time she was threatening to contact his wife unless he spent more time with her, spend a lot more money on her, etc. She was also demanding that he divorce his wife for her, leave his kids and lose over half of his assets in the divorce proceeding. These types of arrangements are very messy and potentially very destructive for everyone - particularly YOU! As one of the older guys on this forum I would advise you to drop this whole affair before you get in even deeper.

Paddy

Brain666

09-17-06, 06:12

Here's my question for the brethren: Is this a green light, a yellow light or a red light? What should be my next steps?

I can only follow others advise.

There will be never a green light so to speak. You already passed an important red light by talking to her this way.

Its even hard to believe that thought from an executive. You must be in a small company. Remember that even in Boeing corporation the executive had to retire. Why putting your future so at risk?

If you need erotic compensation, there are much smarter ways to get a stunny body fucked. As other mentioned already. Spend what ever it costs on a luxury escort with a stunny boddy better or at least equal to her and satisfy your needs as 'compensation'.

Stop your desire in that girl right now.

regards

Brain666

Rock Dog

09-17-06, 17:45

Guys,

I have a feeling that this Tallguy2004 is a questionable figure. I read his post, and all the responses to it. Then, I noticed he's only made 3 posts..... so I went and looked at those as well.

These posts don't seem to match up. He's got one where he talks about P4P in Beijing China, then another post with the same thing in Tel Aviv Israel. Now comes a post where he wants to set himself up as a Sugardaddy to one of his female (AW) employees? NAWW! I agree with George90, the whole thing just doesn't make any sense.

If this guy is smart enough to be president of his own company, he's smart enough to know the HUGE risk (and potential consequences) he's taking by even having that conversation. Also, from his other (supposed) posts, he's already into P4P, so why would there even be a need for sex with this employee when he gets access to so much variety as it is?

With so few posts to his credit, anything he writes shouldn't be trusted or taken too seriously.

Rock

Sinanju Master

09-17-06, 18:01

I have the one-time excuse of being hammered regarding my investigative abilities, so, I hope my bretheren can let that slip. From what my Northern bretheren found out (RD) it seems maybe this dude is just someone who likes to post for its own sake, no matter the merit... So, I defer to RD when he suggests taking Tallguy with a grain of salt

El Austriaco

09-19-06, 01:53

I am President of a company in the U.S. Early this year, I hired a new Accounting Manager, partly for her skills, partly because she is a knockout. She is not a slutty-type knockout, but a beautiful Midwestern girl 29 years old.
This is one of the most overlooked benefits of P4P: that as a sexually satisfied man, you are actually able to think with your real head for a while. And instead of thinking about sex every 20 seconds or so like any other sexually frustrated male, regardless of where and with whoever you are, you actually might think rationally for a while in other aspects of your life that are just as important as sex. Like hiring the best possible person to do a key job for you professionally, rather than pick candidates (even partially) based on how their looks are going to cheer up your drab day and allow you to fantasize about sex with them. Rather than focusing on what you should focus on: your job.

Here are my step-for-step instructions for you: Book a trip to Rio. Fuck your brains out until you can not see any pussy anymore and your member is raw. Come back. Remember that whenever you want, you can go back to Rio. Check how much you spent. Compare it to the cost of a potential lawsuit.

Then read your post again, and you will have your answer. If you don't, nobody can help you... or your company.

I really hope you are not real. No, you can't be. It usually takes a very experienced, conniving woman to turn a guy into a sugar daddy, while your post sounds like you are actively asking for help to become one.

EA

Rock Dog

09-21-06, 01:44

DJ FourMoney

09-22-06, 12:44

Something I've noticed.

When you go into a place like a restaurant, you'd think that grabbing a seat might be a random process. But it's not..... and I don't just mean trying for the nice seats by the window.

Next time you're sitting in a restaurant, watch what happens when some girls come in. If it's a girl with a guy, she almost always sits down with her back towards you. If you go in with a girl and there's some girls already seated, your woman will usually sit down facing them.... and you end up sitting with your back to them. Sometimes, when a couple of girls come in, and only one of them is cute and the other one is homely..... the homely one almost inevitably sits facing you while the cute one shows her back.

There's a whole bunch of other possible variations on this theme, but the point is this..... Women's behavior is ALWAYS being guided, whether it's consciously or unconsciously. I suspect this guidance has some kind of biological, probably sexual, basis. Or maybe it's all imagined and I'm completely full of crap.

Anyone else noticed something similar?

Rock

I won't say your nutz...

I think men when out with a woman they are interested in, make sure they are focusing on the woman and not other women. The first task to that goal is to sit facing the woman your interested in, not potentially women you COULD be interested in, especially if things go south in a hurry.

I just do it out of courtesy.

But that's because American women as a whole feel threaten when other attactive women are present. Like I have always said, women seem to be way more competitive around other women. If you could bottle that up and sell it to sports team, you could make a fortune.

But like I said, I don't think your madd because you seem to notice this.

Yogin

09-22-06, 17:04

This reminds me of a topic on this thread a few months ago. There's a fascinating book "Self-Made Man" by a (formerly) man-hating radical feminist lesbian. For over a year she dressed and lived as a man. She gained great insight and empathy for men and parted with many of the BS and illusions about all the doctrine she had swallowed her whole life.

One truism she'd always believed without question is that "women cooperate/men compete". She joined a mens' bowling league, serious stuff, as they were playing for big prize money. She sucked at bowling bigtime. Yet guys helped her with technique, even guys on COMPETING teams. She admitted women would never be so kind & generous in such a situation.

Rock Dog

09-23-06, 15:56

I've heard of that book before. It must have been a real eye-opener for her!

Just imagine the understanding of each other that men and women could gain if they could spend a year like that. Think of all the possibilities! A bad-boy loser could spend a year as one of the girls he's used to finding fucking and forgetting. A beautiful but spoiled woman could spend a year as one of the guys she never gives a look to.

For that matter, all beautiful women should have to spend a year being completely homely so they could appreciate what they've got instead of taking things for granted.

Of course that's just wishful thinking, but still.... I imagine there'd be some real change of heart if it was possible.

Rock

Artisttyp

09-23-06, 17:31

George90 made an intresting point along those lines. It has to get miserable enough for women to appreciate their situation in the western world. Going out on endless free dates without having to compensate isn't enough.
I dont believe it will get better until the next generation will realize all these "rights" are actually wrongs and self involvment has nothing to do with progress.

Sinanju Master

09-24-06, 19:00

DJ FourMoney

09-29-06, 09:17

George90

10-01-06, 00:18

I was sitting at the comp and watching the game at the same time when I see a Ford commercial. It depicts a woman driving along a country road with her kids in an SUV. She smiles back at them and continues driving. They then get to their destination, which happens to be dad’s place. They enjoy a day in the country. Near the end of the commercial, the two kids hug dad at the same time and after they get in the SUV for the trip back home, dad says to his ex: “Thanks for inviting me along”. The look on his face is one of happiness (because he got to see his kids) and emasculation (because his life is at the behest of his ex-wife). The guy looked like a SHELL of a man and it reinforced the image I’ve been reading on the board of the incompetent, less-than passably intelligent, feminized male. It almost ruined my Sunday afternoon…

I have seen that same ad several times. I am very offended by it. But now there are SO MANY ads that ridicule and degrade men that if I complained about them all, I wouldn't have time for anything else. My revenge is that I do NOT buy the product that such ads are promoting. If I ever get chosen for a focus group regarding advertising, I will give the researchers an earful.

George90

10-01-06, 00:49

I have been listening to Playboy Radio on Sirius lately. Specifically, Nightcalls with Christy Canyon and Ginger Lynn. I have emailled them a couple of times and they have read it on-air.

But anyway, this post isn't about that. Its about something else I have discovered.

On another Playboy show, Adult DVD Review, with Maria Menendez and some other guy :D. Now as I understand it, Maria isn't a peformer, she used to work for KSEX here in LA. But anyway, the point is she was complaining last week about not having regular sex partners.

Now she's not a bad looking women, not at all. Have a look on Playboy.com offical Playboy Radio page and you'll see what I mean. In fact I'd rate her at least an 8.

But I have also discovered those that aren't married or complete sluts like Lisa Sparxxx do have trouble finding reliable "booty" calls.

Why is my arse sitting here counting the days until my trip if this is the case?

What could be better than a freebie from a Porn Star? No strings and if you tear it up right, she'll be calling you for another session.

This has been buggin me all week, so I thought I would share to see what kind of replies I got.

I know for most of us, A list girls are out of most poster's budgets. Speaking of Lisa Sparxxx, she runs $750 with $150 upfront non refundable if you flake.

On a related subject, speaking of Ginger Lynn... She's on Myspace (So is Flower Tucci....)

Appearantly she hooks up with guys she meets online. Now let's be honest, she may have some miles on her, but she looks good to be in her early 40's. Sometimes I don't understand this infactuation with young nubile women, especially those with no experience. Sure you can get a young provider that might like anal, but what about squirting, CMI, etc? Any other elements of PSE?

I'm fairly sure Ginger would bang you crazy and she's truely nasty (in a good way), if she found you attractive.

So for those of us on the west coast, how come we aren't putting as much effort into "star fucking" as we are into regular women? My rastional is that if you can pick up regular girls, you shouldn't have any problem picking up porn stars and maybe a hollywood "hoe" every once and awhile. Its all about having access to "spit your game" right?

I dunno maybe Im stupid, but hmmm I know way too many people that have fucked, are fucking or have fucked somebody well-known. Instead of looking for a woman that "might" be open to exploring different "flavors" of sex, you already know what your getting with most porn stars and frankly some are beyond what we would expect from them anyway. Quite a few are swingers as well.

Am I totally offbase?

One more thing, if you have some strange notion about providers over porn stars, I wouldn't understand it, so don't even try to post about it. You have no idea how many people that provider your with has fucked and I'd say the ratio is about the same between the two. I'd even say that porn stars are safer to fuck, just harder to fuck for free (especially if you don't live in LA).

DJ, I don't know where to start. But you are scaring me, man.

You wrote a rambling post a while back, and now another rambling post about whether to run after stars instead of non-stars. Why? Because you are lonely? Don't like travelling?

Most hot women, not just porn stars, have trouble finding stability in their relationships. Have you ever thought seriously about why that is so. The reasons have been discussed in this thread. It not because the vrey large number of men who run after those women, such as yourself now, are such losers that these women can't stomach them.

It is because really hot women have been lead astray by the people in their lives, and believe that they deserve a true prince and that they can find one if they are choosy enough. Well, that prince doesn't exist. No man ever measures up so these women dump him and move on to the next man on their list. They end up never developing a healthy long-term relationship.

Mature, intelligent men realize this and do not bother chasing after them. You are now coming across (at least to me) as a man who has an unrealistic fantasy woman in mind and wants to find her. Please drop this idea of running after porn stars. Their complaint that they can't get a steady boyfriend is probably a scam to get the gullible hooked onto the radio and cable programs they host. I do not want to read about you getting arrested for stalking some actress. Get some help.

Sinanju Master

10-01-06, 02:25

On another Playboy show, Adult DVD Review, with Maria Menendez and some other guy :D. Now as I understand it, Maria isn't a peformer, she used to work for KSEX here in LA. But anyway, the point is she was complaining last week about not having regular sex partners.
Maybe the possibility of being compared (more than likely NEGATIVELY) against male pornstars is a HUGE obstacle to that, don't ya think? I mean c'mon... if I'm in bed with a chick that is constantly bedding the likes of guys like Peter North, Lex Steele or Shane Diesel, do you THINK she's gonna have one of THEM in the back of her mind while I'm whipping out my bag of tricks and TRYING to make it a meaningful experience for us BOTH? She's gonna more than likely just go through the motions and say: "Next"! Fuck that!

Why is my arse sitting here counting the days until my trip if this is the case?

What could be better than a freebie from a Porn Star? No strings and if you tear it up right, she'll be calling you for another session. FREEBIE?? What planet are you FROM?? I have a feeling that you have a lot in common with characters Dan Aykroyd and Jane Curtain created, if anyone here is sharp enough to catch onto that.

This has been buggin me all week, so I thought I would share to see what kind of replies I got. Ask and Ye shall receive...

I know for most of us, A list girls are out of most poster's budgets. Speaking of Lisa Sparxxx, she runs $750 with $150 upfront non refundable if you flake. A] No SHIT! [B No pressure THERE with the nonrefundable deposit!

One more thing, if you have some strange notion about providers over porn stars, I wouldn't understand it, so don't even try to post about it. You have no idea how many people that provider your with has fucked and I'd say the ratio is about the same between the two. I'd even say that porn stars are safer to fuck, just harder to fuck for free (especially if you don't live in LA).

Pornstars merely get TESTED instead of PREVENTING STD's, so your premise is WHACK! Do you know how many guys said pornstar has fucked OFF-SCREEN? I thought so...

DJ4M, that pipe ain't good for you, man... PLEASE quit it

DJ FourMoney

10-02-06, 10:53

DJ, I don't know where to start. But you are scaring me, man.

You wrote a rambling post a while back, and now another rambling post about whether to run after stars instead of non-stars. Why? Because you are lonely? Don't like travelling?

Most hot women, not just porn stars, have trouble finding stability in their relationships. Have you ever thought seriously about why that is so. The reasons have been discussed in this thread. It not because the vrey large number of men who run after those women, such as yourself now, are such losers that these women can't stomach them.

It is because really hot women have been lead astray by the people in their lives, and believe that they deserve a true prince and that they can find one if they are choosy enough. Well, that prince doesn't exist. No man ever measures up so these women dump him and move on to the next man on their list. They end up never developing a healthy long-term relationship.

Mature, intelligent men realize this and do not bother chasing after them. You are now coming across (at least to me) as a man who has an unrealistic fantasy woman in mind and wants to find her. Please drop this idea of running after porn stars. Their complaint that they can't get a steady boyfriend is probably a scam to get the gullible hooked onto the radio and cable programs they host. I do not want to read about you getting arrested for stalking some actress. Get some help.

I think you read that wrong...

I bought my ticket last night, Im virtually gone - Oct 25th

Like I said this is nothing new to me. I live in Porn Valley, uh San Fernando Valley. In fact I live in the very corner most of the bigger companies are based.

I would have done somethin like this a long time ago, im not alone, or lonely. I'm just looking for cheap ways to have sex without comin out of the pocket before hand.

Eh, like I said, I just thought I would post my thoughts.

Marak -

Nothing personal... But

I have been a DJ since 1986. I have done just about ever major venue in Los Angeles. I have met just about everybody from Def Mix (which is the remix company run by David Morales and Frankie Knuckles among others) among plenty of others in the DJ biz. Been to the Winter Music Convr and even Jack The Rapper.

I have plenty of street cred in LA, no need to floss it.

If there is one thing besides Racing and DJ'in/Music I do know is other DJ's

I don't have the time to chase porn stars anyway. Way too much trouble.

Marak, you're welcome to PM me. I wasn't sure if I wanted go to the AVN's in Jan, but if your down to go. Let me know.

I am not fake...

and I can be found all over the net if you bother to look, not that nobody hasn't done that before... Look for that post.

Bart9000

10-02-06, 18:03

Although I have been wondering where his head is, I can attest that Dj has become knowlegable about the airfare market "across the pond"

B9K

Rock Dog

10-02-06, 21:55

DJ FourMoney

10-03-06, 06:52

DJ,

I'm starting up my own record label. The plan is to only hire straight up G's, thugs and ex-cons fresh out of jail. I want all my artists to have maximum street-cred. We're gonna call our label...... "Criminal Recordz." :D

Rock

Could do that...

Though my ghetto card has "questionable" stamped on it mainly because I don't visit the hood much and that's by design.

I live the very much urban, middle-class, suburban life style and don't "front" I am what I am. Some might even called it "white washing" but eh, it doesn't bother me.

But actually that might be more headache than its worth, running an urban record label. Have you seen the police blotter lately?

Bart -

We don't talk enough homie! lol

You know The Boondocks is returning in Dec?

We should have plenty of new quotables from the show just in time for Christmas...

Thanks for the tips on traveling. Its Air India I am taking. Cheapest price I could find. I used Yahoo travel.

I'm just trying to earn more spending cash.

Marak -

I only went over to the Romania board to learn more about the scene there, mainly caused by spending time with that Hungarain girl, as seen elsewhere on this board. I found that part of the thread and felt I should post.

All of the information I spit on there is easy to find on the net actually, though I knew it without it since I have about 20 records remixed by David Morales alone.

Oh one more thing Marak, your research hasn't gotten you far because I'm easily identified. Though DD and myself didn't see eye to eye, short of giving my exact location I can assure you that I am black and have been pulled over by Simi Valley PD for all the WRONG reasons.

I would give you a hint, but that's too easy.

Rock Dog

10-07-06, 17:40

Deal Seeker

10-07-06, 20:01

What happened?

4 days gone by and not one single post?

Here's one for your consideration. My wife says she wants me to watch something on TV a couple of days ago. I figured that she had taped the last nights showing of Next Top Model.... so I said sure.

It was a total ambush! It was a taped episode of Tyra Banks talk show. There was this woman complaining about her husband. Who even I would agree, is totally addicted to porn. He has mags all over the place. Spends hours and hours looking at it on his computer. Then he usually goes out to the strip clubs in the evening.

Now I'm not stupid so I can see what's coming. Sure enough the wife starts up on how someone else's marriage is being affected by porn addiction. But here's the kicker..... I'm NOT having any kind of porn addiction! I threw out all my old movies at her request, when we got married. I never go out to those clubs (waste of time and money) and I haven't had any porn mags around since I was a teenager.

About the only thing I do is look at it on the computer a few times a week and even then it's when she's not around the house. What the fuck is it with women and porn? They just can't seem to tolerate it. And, I know I don't appreciate being bushwacked like that. Things had been going really well for the last couple of weeks, then this stupid goddamn topic comes up on Tyra.

It's always the same shit. The woman says there's a problem we need to work on. Of course, when she says "we", she really means me.

Long story short, I told her I wasn't anywhere even close to that guy they were showing on TV. And If she can't put up with some of my bad habits once in a while that's just too fucking bad.

Comments?

RockWomen believe that looking at porn = cheating on her. Even if that wasn't the case, women are insecure, hell, you're married to her, and she still feels insecure. My policy is "no oprah" or oprah-like. Because it ends up being aplologist crap for why women are victims. Why women go back to the men that beat them and their children. It ends up being the same, all the fault of men.

I think if "you AND your wife" were to be "working" on this. Her part would be, she would work out more often to be smoking hot looking, and she would study porn so she could deliver something more along what tickles your fantasies.

I work in an old female office (save for this rooster), and if men invented a double standard, women have perfected it. The go on about how women are oppressed in this country, and discriminated against. But I'm the only male in my office, and I'm not the boss by any stretch of the imagination, and I hear bigoted, anti-male drivel all the time.

Also, my co-workers all complain about their husbands/boyfriends. I do notice without an exception in my office, that the women all marry men that have less education than they do. Then complain about how stupid their husband/boyfriends are. So, does that mean smarter men avoid women like my co-workers, or does it mean that women like my co-workers only seek out men "stupider" than they, or does it mean only men like my co-workers's husbands/boyfriends are stupid enough to marry (in the first place) women like my co-workers?

My own opinion, is my co-workers' husbands aren't stupid, they are tradesmen, and managers (far from stupid). But they got suckered into getting married.

Sinanju Master

10-07-06, 20:28

RD, to answer those who feel that we ***** aimlessly and constantly about the underhanded tactics and double standards employed by western-IZED women, I say "Look at RD's post". If the problem is not addressed, or if it's addressed ONCE and left to fester thinking that it's SOLVED, it'll come BACK and the same people asking the stupid question: "WHY do you keep beating a dead horse?" will say "Here's a problem that must be addressed". ADDRESS IT and KEEP ON TOP OF IT!

Sorry for the rant, my Northern brother, now here's my two cents: she sees it as her god-given RIGHT to change you, NOT seeing that SHE may have some idiosyncracies that may be a pain in the ass. You probably already know this, but mark my words, IF you change FOR HER, the demands for change will NEVER STOP. The MORE you change for her, the MORE her respect for you will ERODE. A relationship is about acceptance of your partner as a whole. SHE can't have it like a god-damned buffet where she can fucking pick and choose to her liking. IF the tables were turned and you demanded that SHE change, she'd accuse you of being a controlling, knuckle-dragging Neanderthal. However, when SHE does it, it's perceived (by man-hating, emasculating harpies) that she's trying to bring out the "best" in you. RD, STAND YOUR GROUND. Don't be inflexible, but on important issues such as the possibility of acquiescing due to the lack of a spine, STAND YOUR GROUND INSTEAD!

Yogin

10-08-06, 02:23

Your first mistake was agreeing to throw out the movies upon marriage. That set the tone & precedent. Stand your ground, bro. Tell her all men look; that's how we're programmed. Any guy who says he doesn't look at porn is a liar. As long as it doesn't interfere with your life, work, "real" sex life, etc., there's absolutely no harm in it. No compulsivity, no addiction, no problem. If she persists, give her a list of things she must change about herself. And if she's insecure about her looks vis a vis porn, tell her "So am I...I got over it...so can you. But it won't stop me from viewing porn. Please remember that when I do, it says nothing about how I see you. I'm not comparing."

Tyra = Young Skinny Oprah

Sasha Coffee

10-08-06, 03:01

Its not that we mind you looking at porn. If the truth be told we look as well.

What bothers us is the comparissons. Will he notice my fat ass. Will he notice my breasts have sagged. Will he notice I haven't made it to the hairdresser for 2 month and my regrowth is showing.

Its not the porn its our insecurity at not being viewed as attractive by our mate.

I know its ridiculous but thats what it really comes down to.

Its just a pity that women don't see porn for what it is. A wonderful sexual aid to enhance their sex lives.

Don't give up men, one day we will learn

Sinanju Master

10-08-06, 04:50

as a woman posting, I had expected vilification from a female point of view, but you actually gave ME a point of view I had never experienced through posts. The insecurity you laid out in your post is experienced by MEN also. However, it's EASIER for a WOMAN to find a new partner than for a MAN to do the same if things go WRONG.

Because of your insight, I will give some forethought to viewing porn when in a relationship.

A rare "thank you" is extended.... welcome to the board

Hardbarg

10-08-06, 05:04

Whether or not women can get over their insecurities, or specifically, deal with porno more rationally is interesting, but not the important point. Translating her issues into asserting the right to demand changes in his behavior is the problem. That, and the sneaky way she went about it is the kind of thing that gives women the reputation of being manipulative, controlling beaches. I don't think they'll be getting past that any time soon.

Sasha Coffee

10-08-06, 19:18

Totally agree hardbag.

There is no point in trying to change your mate, either through sneaky manipulation or full frontal warfare. What attracts you in the start is still there and what annoyed you in the start is still there, its about wether you can work around each others bad points.

Hahahaha. I have to laugh, here am I the ultimate tart, dispensing my view on relationships. All my relationships are in time slots. Maybe that gives me an insight into them. Who knows.

As for the porn thing I have given this much thought and come up with the conculsion if you want to watch porn you need to train your women to like it as well. Perhaps starting off with some light porn (playboy channel) then slowly progress. It might work. Either that or start throwing a tantrum of your own that shes trying to change you.

Rock Dog

10-08-06, 19:47

Guys, and SaschaC,

Thanks to everyone for the variety of opinions offered up in the last day or so. Especially interesting was the insecurity concept offered up by a couple of posters.

That is definitely not the reason she doesn't like me watching porn. She actually has a way nicer body than most of the girls I see on the internet.

It's a purely religious thing. It's funny because I've know lots of other girls from various african countries who were indifferent to, or even enjoyed porno.
Once, I went out with a kenyan girl who actually watched the porn video on TV while I was fucking her from behind.

What bugs me is, she'll seek out others who share her opinion and use that as evidence that her position is right. If one of her friends doesn't offer up a "reinforcing opinion" I just fdon't hear about it. Case in point, her friend that works at the local MP (my wife doesn't know this). Her friend told me how she was asked how she felt about the whole porn issue. Se said it was better than having the guy go out and try and get it from other women. To which my wife told her..."wow, you are very open-minded". Coming from her, that's a very subtle criticism..... and of course I never heard THAT opinion, because it didn't back up her position.

The really funny thing is, porn isn't that big of a deal for me. How could it be, when I can go get the real thing at the MP anytime I want? Now if my wife ever wanted to complain about THAT....

Rock

Sasha Coffee

10-08-06, 21:15

Well Rock Dog

Sorry to say but you between a rock and hard place (excuse the pun).

If your wife has religious issues regarding porn it doesn't matter what you say or do. You have lost this battle. Sadly for you, your porn stash will have to stay hidden and your watching will have to be kept secret.

Rest assured you are not the only husband that suffers in silence. The only sad thing is that she doesn't realise that by being closed minded to these sexual aids she is actually driving you to experience sexual satisifaction elsewhere.

Long live the uptight wife, they keep me employed.

Good luck

Yogin

10-09-06, 00:49

So she's of a religious conservative bent? OK, in that case find all the porn that's in the bible. Of particular note is the rather humorous passage that describes two sisters vying for who can don the best disguise in order to trick dad into having sex with one or the other.

"Open-minded"...sheesh...that's a polite term for "liberal", which unfortunately has become a dirty word.

On occasion I do a Chinese friend from behind while we watch porn. It's always at her suggestion too.

George90

10-09-06, 02:48

Rock Dog's report depressed me, for two reasons. One is that this is another example of a woman feeling she has the right to control a man's sexuality and how he expresses it. The second is that this is another example of a man caving into a woman's unreasonable requests (ie. orders), thus encouraging her, and her like-minded friends, to behave like this even more.

Sinanju feels it is beneficial to go around in circles, going over the same old ground (and what have we found?), without developing a plan of action to remove such women and such thinking from our lives.

RD, if you knew she was religious BEFORE you married her, and you knew she was against porn BEFORE you married her, then the situation you find your self in right now is ENTIRELY your responsibility. You made your bed when you married her and now you are lying in it.

If she changed on you soon after the marriage and you accepted it, then same thing. It is your fault for having married her, either without knowing her well enough or believing that you could deal with her crap over the long term.

If you love her and want to stay married to her then stop complaining and accept your lot in life. The lot you chose. If you don't want to accept it, and you are falling out of love with her, then take action and divorce her. Stop complaining and create a more pleasant life for yourself.

George90

10-09-06, 02:53

Long live the uptight wife, they keep me employed.

If I had my druthers, you'd long be out of business because we men would have married women from other cultures that are less sex-phobic. We would get the sex we need from our wives and not substitutes.

There is a poster who is married to a woman from Colombia. He knows what I am talking about. He has no sex problems in his marriage, unlike his brother that he mentioned once.

We need to be looking overseas for wife material, not moping around.

Sasha Coffee

10-09-06, 04:22

Somehow or another I ended up posting on the American woman board. mainly because the posts stirred me to comment.

This does not mean I am an american woman. On the contrary I am proudly from New Zealand. Home of Lord of the Rings and Nuke Free. proudly pro American having shagged half of the Air Force as they deploy to Antartica.

Please don't wish me unemployment, I would hate a life on welfare or the average weekly wage. Remember that no matter how good the sex life at home for some reason men will still get the apetite filled elsewhere, in fact everywhere from the beach to strip clubs to working girls. This is not a bad thing its a wonderful thing. I was just enterprising enough to realise I could make a living out of it, bring up my child in private schools, buy myself nice sports cars and lovely home, travel the world and have fun doing it.

I don't see the problem.

Martians

10-09-06, 04:44

you need to train your women I agree with this. Cebu Local posted recently on a hooker's customer who did her doggy style and made her bark like a dog. I did that last night and quite enjoyed it. Perhaps the area of new age man is finished?

Actually, fucking hookers makes many of us put our relationships into time slots. I guess that's the way the world is now. We're like the soccer mums. We do the school run, hit the mall, hit the AMP, fil up the engine, go home, watch South Park and get the wife to run the bath.

Hardbarg

10-09-06, 05:08

Rock:
I made one of the comments here earlier. Maybe that was a mistake. I think I'll go back to my first instinct when I read your situation.

This may well be the absolute worst place in the galaxy to look for marital counseling.

Sinanju Master

10-09-06, 05:24

Sinanju feels it is beneficial to go around in circles, going over the same old ground (and what have we found?), without developing a plan of action to remove such women and such thinking from our lives.

Thank you for your opinion and MIS-interpreting me. IF I were going in circles and doing the same thing without offering a solution, you'd have a valid point, but you DIDN'T and you DON'T. If a new poster comes to the board and has a problem that has been addressed BEFORE, it seems that YOU advocate him reinventing the wheel and banging his head against the wall innumerable times instead of getting the opinions of those who have BEEN THERE. So, in effect, George90's solution is to STOP discussing the problem altogether, THINKING that it's solved. I'm glad he's not an elected official, because HIS action would get his ass tarred and feathered and run out of town. He'd have job security in the Bush administration what with the day to day denial.

I'm certain George90 is gonna lambast me, but hey, I get pestered by pests all the time.

PS
Nice try to insert a Pink Floyd quote without anyone else knowing... go back to the drawing board

Rock Dog

10-09-06, 09:50

Ok, lets just set the record straight.

I'm most definitely not pussy-whipped. After getting bushwacked with that taped show about the porn addict, I made sure the wife knew in no uncertain terms that I didn't care for that kind of criticism. I then proceded to give her the silent treatment for the next day.

Basically she knows that it's for better or for worse. I'm not gonna change the way I am just because every little thing about me isn't perfect and my wife knows this as well. Of course that doesn't stop her from trying, but oh well.

Today, after eating the delicious lunch she cooked for me, I went to the gym for a workout. She waited for me and then we did a bit of shopping, played a few games of pool and came home. I got her to give me a massage and then a nice bit of fellatio before I gave her a good fucking.

Are things perfect? Not by a long shot, but still light years ahead of where I would be of I'd married a local AW type.

Rock

ps. I'm attaching a pic for anyone who might be inclined to think I'm a bullshitter.

Hardbarg

10-09-06, 09:54

Marak5:
I think you just made my point. I can't imagine that anyone would want to get advice about their family relationships from a mouth-breather like you. Get a life.

Almotu

10-10-06, 17:33

This **** should rot in jail - hard time! ! !

http://people.aol.com/people/article/0,26334,1544459,00.html

Giggity

10-10-06, 21:29

This **** should rot in jail - hard time! ! !

http://people.aol.com/people/article/0,26334,1544459,00.html

After her widely publicized flight last year, Mason quickly took Wilbanks back, with the couple even moving into a large new home in an Atlanta suburb and talking about taking a second run at marriage.I have no sympathy for this dumbass. If he doesn't lose everything to that psycho-grinning hoe this time around, he'll find a way to fuck it up later. He's just that stupid.

Sinanju Master

10-10-06, 23:29

This level of audacity sadly, is the norm for MANY AW'S... community service was a slap on the wrist for this baracuda. Broads like her make it bad for the rare AW who is sane

Sasha Coffee

10-11-06, 04:28

Only in America.

No wonder most American men are marrying woman from other cultures and countries.

The woman there are most spoilt pathetic gold diggers I have ever met.

Long Stroker

10-11-06, 19:30

..like so many we've heard before. But this AW takes it to a new level.

False Child Support Case Exposes System's Failures

Tuesday , October 10, 2006

By Wendy McElroy

Viola Trevino is a walking-talking explanation of why the family court and child welfare systems across North America are widely accused of being part of the problem, not part of the solution, in resolving custody issues and protecting children.

The Trevino case spun out in New Mexico, but there is nothing unique about the laws or procedures of that state.

Trevino's fraud began in 1999 when she and her former husband Steve Barreras divorced. Trevino claimed she had given birth to a child after the divorce and sued Barreras for child support, claiming he was the father. This fraud dissolved in 2004, when it was finally discovered that there was no such child. But Barreras, who works as a corrections officer in law enforcement, was forced to spend the ensuing years trying to make the New Mexico courts and child welfare service even look at evidence that the child for whom he was paying support did not exist.

More than $20,000 in payments later, a judge finally did the obvious. Trevino was ordered to produce the disputed child, then supposedly 5-years-old. On her way to the court appearance, Trevino snatched a 2-year-old off the street to pass off as her own daughter; the ruse collapsed when the infant's distraught grandmother trailed Trevino into the courtroom.

With such high drama, the media took notice…and politicians followed suit. New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson called for a full accounting. At issue: how did several government agencies act as unwitting partners in a sustained and outright fraud? Why did they resist correcting the error?

New Mexico's official response to the accounting was remarkable. In April 2005, it became state policy for child welfare workers to sign affidavits saying they had actually seen the children with whom they work. This is like asking public school teachers to sign affidavits saying they have met their students. Or doctors averring they have seen the patients for whom they submit bills.

Such affidavits are an admission of a system's failure, not a guarantee of its diligence. They are an admission that families are being processed as paperwork, not as people.

Meanwhile, as of Oct. 5, Trevino is finally in prison…not for kidnapping or any other charge related to bilking Barreras. She was sentenced to 16 months for filing a false federal income tax return in which she claimed exemptions and credits for the imaginary child. A court has also ordered Trevino to reimburse Barreras for more than $26,000 in false child support and other costs he paid.

When a case is so egregious, it is tempting to view it as "the exception" and not an indication of endemic problems. A litmus test of whether a case indicates a problem is the ease with which you can correct an obvious error. A system that works rectifies errors; a system that doesn't perpetuates them.

How did the New Mexico system address errors in the Trevino case?

On June 14, 1999, the two parties filed a divorce agreement by which Barreras paid $300 per month in spousal support. Their two children were adults and no child support was ordered. Somehow the dollar amount on the court document was altered to $800. On Aug. 26, Judge Deborah Davis-Walker reviewed the alteration but did not act on accusations that Trevino had altered the document; she merely reinstated the $300 amount.

(Trevino had a prior conviction on three counts of forgery in the same court district: case D-202-CR-7932664.)

On Dec. 3, Trevino told the court she had given birth to Barreras' daughter in early September and requested child support. Among the facts Barreras tried but failed to admit into evidence was Trevino's tubal ligation in 1978 and Barreras' vasectomy in 1998. Instead, Judge Davis-Walker ordered a paternity test.

In January 2000, the Mobile Blood Services compared a DNA sample of Barreras with one from the alleged child; the test indicated he was the father. When Barreras received a bill for the test, it stated "balance due on account of Eve Barreras" -- the name of his adult daughter -- he hired a private detective. As a matter of prudence, he also paid the court-ordered child support.

In phone calls and letters, he urged New Mexico's child support agency to verify his daughter's physical existence. A child enforcement worker replied, "your daughter does exist, as I am sure you already knew."

Eventually, it was discovered that the DNA test -- as well as a subsequent one -- was performed by a friend of the adult daughter who apparently skewed results by providing a sample of her own DNA.

Meanwhile, Trevino forged documents to produce a Social Security number, a Medicare card, birth and baptismal certificates for the non-existent child. The web of lies spun for years because several agencies -- the family court, child services, Medicare, welfare -- did not ask the obvious. They only had to listen once to Barreras' evidence-backed plea: check for a physical child.

Without Barreras' incredible persistence and the luck of media attention, Trevino may well be collecting child support today.

Paper can be processed neatly; people cannot. Any system that treats people like paperwork is part of the problem. And signing yet another piece of paper -- an affidavit that says an agent has seen a flesh-and-blood human -- does not solve the problem. It is just another piece of paper.

For those who find the Trevino case alarming, consider this. What of the cases who never receive the light of public scrutiny and, so, never become nothing more than paperwork? Who checks if they have been incorrectly folded, spindled or bent?

Wendy McElroy is the editor of ifeminists.com and a research fellow for The Independent Institute in Oakland, Calif. She is the author and editor of many books and articles, including the new book, "Liberty for Women: Freedom and Feminism in the 21st Century" (Ivan R. Dee/Independent Institute, 2002). She lives with her husband in Canada.

Yogin

10-11-06, 22:16

No wonder most American men are marrying woman from other cultures and countries.

Don't be fooled by the Am. men you meet in NZ or on this board. They are not representative of the population as a whole. The vast majority (97%?) of Am. men are deluded, whipped, brainwashed, and/or miserable, mostly marrying AW's.

The "runaway bride" sounds like a manic-depressive who needs massive meds. This guy is an idiot who deserves what he gets. He full knew what he was getting when he took her back after the faked kidnapping.

PanamaJack

10-15-06, 09:08

Rock Dog

10-16-06, 04:18

Was watching an episode tonight.... actually the wife and her friend were watching and I happened to be sitting there.

Anyways, there comes this part where the ex or soon to be ex-husband of Eva Longoria busts through the living room window to get inside his own house. She calls the police to have him busted as an intruder. He complains to the cop that it's his house and he's not an intruder but her husband. When the cop asks her she admits it and then adds the following comment....
We're getting divorced, the wife is supposed to get the house and the guy gets a crappy little apartment, that's the American way."

Wow, it might not be 100% true, but this whole idea that the woman gets more than her fair share after a divorce is really becoming deeply ingrained in todays culture.

It just pissed me off. I'm hoping that more guys start paying attention to this and learning some important lessons BEFORE they go out and get married.

Rock

Sinanju Master

10-16-06, 04:52

shouldn't it be "Calculating Housewives"? The thing that got ME is the fucking omission. That could have got his ass locked up, and she would have had him by the short curlies. Where is it written that a guy has to give up his god-damn DOMICILE so that the woman can live in it comfortably while she has a ready-made pad to fuck the next sucker? That shit makes my blood boil... If the law was written that a guy has to FINANCE a woman's lifestyle (after the divorce) simply because she's too fucking LAZY to get off her ass to EARN a living, I'd simply gripe about it silently. No, this is a fucking LOTTERY that American Women successfully roll the dice on nine times out of ten!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!

Allen Eire

10-16-06, 07:03

gents,

i normally post on the usa board but yeah it was everything i could do to keep my cool, as i was watching the program with the wife.

i don't watch every week but the way it started out 3 seasons ago, this beotch gabby (eva l) was f-ing the ****d lawn boy!!! while carlos was out busting his ass and now this ingrate wants to remove him from his home!

i told my wife i am not living in a crappy apartment while she kicks it at our home.

Rock Dog

10-18-06, 01:47

there aren't any more sex offenders now than there were before.
here's my line of reasoning....

back in the 50's 60's and even the 70's, if an adult guy 18, 19 or 20 (let's limit our discussion to men for this post) went out with teenage girls around 13, 14, or 15.... it wasn't an admirable thing, ut it wasn't that big of a deal. now the same guy is arrested and branded as a ****. so, you get a harsher reaction for the same thing that's been going on forever.

secondly, ****philia is about the only taboo left, besides maybe [CodeWord128] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord128), that still gets a "shock reaction". the tv networks need shocking things to shock people with.... it's a matter of ratings. just look at nancy grace (the biggest **** ever hired by cnn), her entire show absolutely thrives on shock topics. everything is about poor little victims and brutal evil abusers who should be thrown in jail for 10 thousand years never to be seen again. all she really does is exploit these victims in order to get ratings for her show.

if she actually gives a fuck about anybody else, it's only inasmuch as they can provide the ratings she craves for her show.... btw oprah might be a little better, but she works on the same basic principles.

**** sex is still somewhat shocking to some people. so the networks over-report any story that involves adults having sex with minors. this is the reason you keep seeing it on tv over and over. the networks might not be able to broadcast footage of the act itself, but they still use it any way they can in order to get ratings.

rock

ILoveAnalSex

10-19-06, 21:22

I've always felt that the mission of government agencies in the US is to perpetuate their own existence. This case is a perfect example of that. Rather than scrap a child support case & lose the menial fee attached to each child support payment, the system would rather ignore obvious red flags & screw over another citizen - and in this case, the citizen was himself a “Law Enforcement Officer." Talk about cannibalism.

I cannot really say that I want democracy to spread to other parts of the world. I'm not too thrilled with what it has produced within our own government. And the idea of an entire planet conforming to the ideals, mores & practices we espouse here in the US is more frightening to me than any nuclear weapon they could develop in N. Korea.

-ILAS

ILoveAnalSex

10-20-06, 01:18

about 45 minutes ago i was in wal-mart’s parking lot walking into the store when 3 ladies pushing 3 baby strollers rushed up to me (now, i was not wearing name-brand clothing or any jewelry, so i did not look like someone with tons of money). the mother/grandmother proceeds to give me some story about how they cannot get any welfare/w.i.c. benefits for several more days & asks if i could help them out with milk & [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131). i said, why not.

once in the store, the daughter with 2 of the children asks if i have a spending limit, to which i answer yes. i told them i could spare about $25.00 because i have to do my own shopping - obviously. this girl starts talking to me about her ordeal with the welfare/w.i.c. people here in las vegas & telling me about how different the system is in canada. i then ask the obvious, you’re from canada? she replies, yes, i’ve been here for only 5 days. she starts asking me about my job, telling me about her brother who does auto work & other general chit chat.

well, once we get to the checkout line, the bill rang up to $76.82. grandma, the two daughters & the 3 babies in the strollers all look at me in unison with this pitiful oh pleeeeeeeze look on their faces (kind of funny now that i think back on it). i respond, “oh no” & i remind the girls that i agreed to contribute $25 to help them out & that i have my own shopping to do. immediately their faces drop as they have to unload all of the baby shit they were trying to purchase.

the cashier got the formula, [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131) & bottles to about $29 & some change, which i agreed to pay. but what pissed me off was that after the transaction, the two ungrateful daughters didn’t even thank me. grandma did thank me for my kindness, but the other girls left as though they were disappointed.

now, i usually feel good when i can help a person out. but for some reason, this time is different. i have just helped out 3 hungry kids, but yet this act today has left a bad taste in my mouth.

i tell you, women have a way of ruining even a charitable act because they are always trying to be so damned slick. 5 days in the united states & these girls are already trying to take advantage of the men in this country as well as our social services. i agreed to donate $25, why try to bilk me for 3 times that amount?

i could halfway understand it if i were fucking these tramps – women often use their pussy for leverage, especially financial leverage. but to walk up to a complete stranger & think that i would fork over $76 just because you want it? hell, they didn’t even introduce themselves, nor did they ask for my name.

there must be something in the air in the us that makes women feel that men here are supposed to satisfy their every whim. has it gotten so bad that 3 women pushing 3 baby strollers can expect any random man in a parking lot to support their children without so much as a formal introduction, handshake, smile or a thank you?

i thought i’d seen it all. actually, i hope i’ve seen it all; it scares me to think that i may not have.

-ilas

Npaul1

10-20-06, 01:21

I had a girl in Cali Colombia pull the same shit on me, I took her to the movies, then afterwards we walked in the mall. She said she wanted to see how she looked in some clothes and walked into a women's store. Next she was trying on 3 outfits.

Then she went to the checkout and asked me for my credit card!

Women are like that all around the world! BTW I only bought her a pair of jeans and a shirt. I tried to cut my losses, and yes we did not go out again.

Sinanju Master

10-20-06, 01:26

Your story made me laff! I can't say I was too surprised that these money-sucking vampires tried to work you. I'd like to tell you that you were somehow transported to the Twilight Zone, but I think being in the Twilight Zone would actually have resulted in meeting a sane, pleasant group of women. Welcome to the board!

CBGBConnisur

10-20-06, 04:39

The worst women are often found in Anglophone countries, most of these countries are rich and most have very generous social welfare systems, in other words in countries like the US, UK, Australia, NZ, and Canada, a woman doesn't need a husband to eat. This goes in richer Western Euro countries as well. When you go to Eastern Europe, Latin America, Asia, the attitude changes, there are pockets of westernization in these places, but I have to say that better women tend to found in these regions than in more economically developed ones.

Hardbarg

10-20-06, 10:03

Iloveanalsex:
It sounds to me that it's very possible you ran into a band of pro grifters rather than a random bunch of nasty bimbos. Not long ago there was a flourishing black market in baby formula. Almost as good as cash. Long way from Canada to Vegas with 3 kids, no money & no food. Pretty fishy story.

Hardbarg

10-20-06, 10:26

Unfortunately, the "starving children" scam is universal. Always works best by women on men. We all fall for it. Here's an excerpt from an '05 trip report I made on Sosua, DR.

Early on I ran into a girl more persistent than most. I kept saying no, but she kept following me - finally to the entrance of my hotel. I stopped and sat on a bench, she sat down with me. I didn’t want her trying to follow me into the place, so I just sat there. It was late, and pretty quiet, so it took about 10 minutes before another guy came by and she finally took off after him. A couple of days later I ran into her on the main drag. (It’s a smaaaal town.) She attached herself to me again. Same kind of persistence. I finally just sat down again to wait her out. She kept whining, cutting the price, asking why not, and telling me she had to get money to feed her babies. I kept saying no. Eventually she resorted to straight begging. By this time I wasn’t bothering to answer, just ignoring her. Finally she asked (begged) me to go to the bodega with her and buy milk “for her babies”. I can ignore beggars that want money without a thought, but I’m not yet callous enough to refuse to buy milk for starving children, so off we went. When we got there she walks up to the clerk and says something I can’t understand. The clerk hands her a pack of cigarettes, rings it up and then they both just stand there looking at me. I inform her that if her children are starving, she probably shouldn’t be buying cigs, then turn and walk out. A couple of days latter I run into her on the street again (Did I mention this is a VERY small town). If looks could kill.....

ILoveAnalSex

10-20-06, 22:24

Hey guys. Thanks for your input. I must say I get so sick of these chicks trying to pull silly shit like this on men. Yet women are always complaining about how MEN are dogs & are always taking advantage of THEM.

I kind of expect some possible shenanigans when I’m out on a date or on a mongering adventure. I just couldn’t believe that these 3 chicks with their infants in tow would have the gall to try some crap like this on a stranger in a parking lot.

I did not know about the baby formula scam thing. That’s a new one on me. If they did not use the formula for the purpose intended, then that’s on them. I was trying to help out the 3 kids, so I’m OK with that aspect of it all.

I just hate feeling like a fool. I felt that way with my 2 ex-wives (yes, my dumb ass did not learn from the first marriage) & I swore that I’d never let some tramp take advantage of me again. I guess there are treacherous women all over & we just have to be careful with women everywhere anymore – even the ones we aren’t trying to fuck.

-ILAS

Rock Dog

10-21-06, 02:02

There are a lot of welfare cases where I live. They all have the same shitty attitude.... which is basically do nothing and expect "the system" to pay for it. The system in this case means people like us who work for a living and pay taxes.

What happens next is they get used to the level they're at, then they want more. That's when they start whining about how crappy it is to live on welfare. They have only one talent.... their ability to dream up excuses. Excuses why they have those kids in the first place, excuses why they can't go back to school, work, find a guy to support them etc, etc.

I wouldn't haven't given those slackers a nickel of my hard-earned, after-tax money.

Rock

Sasha Coffee

10-21-06, 05:19

I don't think its fair to blame the women these westernized countries for being able to feed themselves.

After all, surely it is a government policy of social welfare states that leads to this. It is not only women that take advantage of a benefit system to feed themselves. Plenty of men do it also.

The sad truth of the matter is a benefit system is a way of controlling the masses. Similar to the way religion was used not so long ago.

I agree with you in principal that the westernised women expect everything and give nothing. But we are all a product of the society we are born into and teaching of our parents.

Perhaps its time for compulsory military training, teach the youths of today some respect (both male and female).

I can remember my grandparents telling me, if you can't get a job its because its you don't want one. I think is really the truth of the matter. Our governments have made it to easy not to have a job, therefore there is no incentive to look after your mate. Before the systems of governement made it easy to divorce, bring up children as a single parent etc. People worked alot harder on their marriages, but then again there were many women and men trapped in especially bad unions. So its catch 22. We're damned either way.

I know that I wouldn't want to live in a country where my husband can burn me to death, or leave me as a beggar just because I burnt the dinner. ( I would of died long ago). You could blame it on the second world war where the female work force became a necissity and began the womans bra burning episodes of the sixties.

Or you can blame my home country New Zealand for being the first country in the world to give women the vote.

Who knows but it doesn't matter which system you believe in whether it be womens lib, or the old fashioned way. There are pros and cons to both systems.

CBGBConnisur

10-21-06, 15:09

Female bitchiness is a common characteristic in any Anglophone country, the UK, Anglo Canadian, Australia, and NZ females are just as mercenary as your typical American female. I recently found out from a friend that French women tend to among the most loyal women on the planet. I hate using the blanket term "Western" women because I have met women who happened to be from rich countries like Germany, Spain, Japan, Netherlands, Switzerland, and France, among others who were a sharp contrast from their Anglo counterparts. Man bashing is a characteristic of pretty much every contemporary English speaking country.

My experiences in Germany were interesting to say the least. For a country famous for producing $100K+ land yachts and the financial heart of Europe, German women don't come accross as aggressively materialistic as women in English speaking countries. German women are used to having a very high standard of living but are more realistic about things than most women in the English speaking world. While they are not Filipinas or Thais that bend over to the every wish of a man, most German women seem to act like women.

Lustforthrust

10-21-06, 15:17

high rate of infidelity fueling rise in paternal discrepancy, researchers say.

updated: 7:32 p.m. et aug. 10, 2005
london - one in 25 fathers could unknowingly be raising another man’s child, british scientists said on thursday.

researchers at liverpool’s john moores university examined the findings of dozens of studies, published over the past 54 years, on cases of paternal discrepancy — where a man is proved not to be the biological father of his child.

the studies, most of them peer reviewed, came from countries as varied as the united states, finland, new zealand, south africa and mexico.

the findings of the studies varied dramatically — some concluded that only one man in 100 is not the father of his child while others put the figure as high as 30 percent.

the liverpool researchers calculated the median figure at around 4 percent, suggesting that as many as one in 25 men worldwide is not the biological father of a child he believes to be his.

“the importance lies not so much in the figure itself but in the implications, given that as a society we are increasingly making our decisions on the basis of genetics,” said one of the researchers, professor mark bellis.

“if, for example, someone knows that their father had a history of hereditary heart disease, they might be tempted to alter their own diet,” he told reuters.

“obviously they need to be making that decision on the basis of accurate information about who their father really is.”

bellis said that while mix-ups of semen during artificial insemination accounted for some cases of paternal discrepancy, the majority were due to a woman having sexual relationships outside marriage.

he said in britain, 20 percent of women in marriages or long-term relationships have had affairs, adding that the figures for other developed countries was similar.

around a third of pregnancies in britain are unplanned, increasing the risk of paternal discrepancy.

writing in the british medical association’s journal of epidemiology and community health, the scientists called for further research in the area.

“(we) cannot simply ignore this difficult issue,” they said.

copyright 2005 reuters limited

i know it's old, but does anyone have a link?

Rock Dog

10-21-06, 19:16

CBGBConnisur

10-22-06, 04:15

Dude, what gives?

You used to go on and on about how great things were in Australia. I remember quite a few discussions where you extolled the numerous good qualities of Aussie women and how favorably they compared with women from other countries.

My guess is that something major must have happened for you to change your opinion like this. Care to share any details?

Rock

One of my ex-girlfriends has sued me for alimony in Oz. We weren't even married but legally she is entitled to money because she lived with me for more than 6 months. Australia used to be a good country for women, mostly because of open immigration from around the world, the government has been tightening rules on migration over the past couple of years. Rather than pay her I am leaving the country, hopefully going to greener pastures in Poland or another Central European country.

A few mates of mine told me that a lot of women like a guy to get them pregnant so they can get some nice welfare payments from the government as well as money from the father. It turns out in Australia that a single female with a child could get about A$4000 a month to sit on her rear end from the Australian government. With Australian tax rates, to get that money by working she would have to earn over $100K a year.

In the beginning, Aussie women approach you nicely, but once they get entangled in your business and life's problems things change dramatically. If you like short term engagements Australia is okay, but don't expect to find the love of your life here. In the long run they aren't much different than your average American or Anglo Canadian female.

Dolphin12

10-22-06, 07:33

One of my ex-girlfriends has sued me for alimony in Oz. We weren't even married but legally she is entitled to money because she lived with me for more than 6 months. ......, but don't expect to find the love of your life here. In the long run they aren't much different than your average American or Anglo Canadian female.

Good "eye-opener". You see, there is no free pussy. We have to take out that " they are free" - illusion off everybody. They are not !!! No pussy is ! Some take their money straight away after the pop, the otheres play the love fiddle and go for longterm income. Last group is far more dangerous !

Rock Dog

10-22-06, 17:59

Yeah, that doesn't surprise me one bit.

We see the same thing happening all the time here in Canada. women don't even bother to get married anymore.... they just "cohabitate" with you for more than 6 months. Then they have you by the short and curlies.

The more money you make, the worse it gets. I have a suspicion that there is a fair bit of jealousy that comes into play when a guy becomes successful and does well for himself. Everyone out there gets mad that they don't have as much so they try dream up a way of getting something for nothing.

There are large numbers of women who are doing this. Where I live, the birthrate amongst the losers on welfare is TRIPLE the normal rate. Something is very wrong here. If it was up to me, I'd put a cap on the system. No new cases, any woman getting pregnant AFTER going on welfare should automatically have the kid taken away for adoption. Why? To protect the kid from being raised by such a loser. If they really want to keep the kid, fine.... but NO extra money! They can fucking well go out and earn the extra money to support the kid themselves.

I also happen to think that mandatory birth control for welfare recipients is not unfair. They do NOT have the right to go out and reproduce while expecting everyone else to foot the bill. Of course, all the politically correct/women's rights/social activist types will prevent this from ever happening until things get intolerable.

It sounds like things are really soft in Australia. If what CBGB described is accurate, they are actually rewarding people for being losers. Chances are they have a much higher than average "loser birthrate" as well. At least here, welfare would only come into play as a supplement to monies from the father.

One last thing..... let's all give 3 cheers to CBGB for standing his ground! Maybe he's just one guy, but by refusing to pay, he's sending out the right message to these slacker b*tches.

Rock

Martians

10-23-06, 01:29

I am reading The God Delusion. Dawkins makes a good point on pages 184/5 about polyamory, simultaneously loving more than one person of the opposite sex. We can love more than one child, parent, sibling, teacher or pet. But only one woman. He poses the question that spousal love is positively weird. This opens up a lot of possibilities and answers a lot of questions. Maybe we are ending the need to procreate ourselves and to fall uniquely in love. Maybe mindless, mind blowing sex is the way of the future. Ergo, maybe AW types have no further need to supply the service.

Rubber Nursey

10-23-06, 01:44

CBGB said: It turns out in Australia that a single female with a child could get about A$4000 a month to sit on her rear end from the Australian government. With Australian tax rates, to get that money by working she would have to earn over $100K a year.

That is complete bullshit. I am currently receiving the single parents pension (I'm temporarily unemployed - long story, but it certainly wasn't by choice). I have TWO children and receive around $400 a week ($1600 a month). A mother with one child gets about $35 per week less. Additional children are worth about an extra $140 per month, so the more babies you pop out, the worse off you are financially (contrary to popular belief).

Oz welfare payments ARE affected by child support payments - if you're lucky enough to get money from the selfish, loser father, your welfare payments go down. If he's paying a large enough amount, welfare payments will be cut off completely.

'Alimony' payments are not really a common phenomenon in Australia, so if you are in fact being sued for alimony, you must have found yourself a very rare Australian woman indeed. If you're actually talking about defacto asset division, that is a very different situation. What concerns me is your post then focuses on women getting pregnant and demanding child support payments. Is that what you're really talking about? That you got this woman pregnant and now you're taking off overseas to avoid your financial responsibilities as a father?

I've read a number of your recent posts and I've had a gutful of you slagging off ALL Aussie girls just because you couldn't make your relationship work with ONE particular Aussie girl. You slagged off American women after shit relationships in your home country and now you're doing the same thing to the women in mine. I'm sure the girls in Europe will have their turn when you have another relationship fuck up over there. But of course that won't be your fault, either - you'll come up with every misogynistic reason under the sun to explain why you can't sustain a meaningful relationship with a woman. Maybe you're just a complete dickhead - have you considered that?

Petemcc

10-23-06, 02:18

CBGB said: It turns out in Australia that a single female with a child could get about A$4000 a month to sit on her rear end from the Australian government. With Australian tax rates, to get that money by working she would have to earn over $100K a year.

That is complete bullshit. I am currently receiving the single parents pension (I'm temporarily unemployed - long story, but it certainly wasn't by choice). I have TWO children and receive around $400 a week ($1600 a month). A mother with one child gets about $35 per week less. Additional children are worth about an extra $140 per month, so the more babies you pop out, the worse off you are financially (contrary to popular belief).

Oz welfare payments ARE affected by child support payments - if you're lucky enough to get money from the selfish, loser father, your welfare payments go down. If he's paying a large enough amount, welfare payments will be cut off completely.

'Alimony' payments are not really a common phenomenon in Australia, so if you are in fact being sued for alimony, you must have found yourself a very rare Australian woman indeed. If you're actually talking about defacto asset division, that is a very different situation. What concerns me is your post then focuses on women getting pregnant and demanding child support payments. Is that what you're really talking about? That you got this woman pregnant and now you're taking off overseas to avoid your financial responsibilities as a father?

I've read a number of your recent posts and I've had a gutful of you slagging off ALL Aussie girls just because you couldn't make your relationship work with ONE particular Aussie girl. You slagged off American women after shit relationships in your home country and now you're doing the same thing to the women in mine. I'm sure the girls in Europe will have their turn when you have another relationship fuck up over there. But of course that won't be your fault, either - you'll come up with every mysogynistic reason under the sun to explain why you can't sustain a meaningful relationship with a woman. Maybe you're just a complete dickhead - have you considered that?Hear hear!

Martians

10-23-06, 02:22

Rock Dog: The poor tend to have more kids. The stable poor regard them as a retirement plan. The Philippinnes, for example, is awash with kids, all trying to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Winning and losing is not a funciton of having a job and income or not. Shit happens.

I have some experience of Australia, where I knew several women who deliberately got impregnated to get an allowance from guys they knoew would not walk away. Other Ossies I knew were really pissed off at the Family Courts for shaking them down and giving their ex wives the entire pot. I have known similar in Europe and the States.

The moral is ismple. Be a Mick Jagger not a Paul McCartney. Paul really fucked up after Linda died and now he will pay for it.

Anyway, the poor and the dysfunctional have a hard enough time without you beating up on them. Your taxes go on a million silly things. Helping the poor is not the silliest of them.

Sinanju Master

10-23-06, 02:52

Clean out your PM box, I can't send you any until you clean house

CBGBConnisur

10-23-06, 03:44

Rubber Nursey

10-23-06, 04:06

The unemployment rate in Australia is around 4.8 percent, there is absolutely no reason for you to sit on your fat ass collecting money from Centrelink. See fellas, RN(big time nurse shortage in Oz, you should have no trouble finding a job) is your typical Aussie female.
I will have a much better time in Eastern Europe, there is no ultra generous social welfare bullshit over there. I didn't make any sexist comments, in fact, I have nothing against a woman who gets off her ass to work.

After all these years on this site, you should know that I'm not a real nurse - I've always made that perfectly clear. (I'm trained as a sexual health educator, but have no formal nursing qualifications).

I have been a single mother for most of the last 13 years. If you added up all the SHORT periods of unemployment I've had over that time, I would have spent perhaps 2 out of those 13 years out of the workforce.

My most recent foray into dolebludgerdom was a result of a life-threatening illness - the debilitating side effects of which I am still suffering from, months after (successful) treatment ended. I hope that's a good enough 'loser excuse' for you all. Even so, I still take on casual paid work whenever I can get it and volunteer for two organisations, totalling up to 30 hours a week.

But this isn't about me. This is about your complete backflip on the virtues of dating Aussie women, just because one of them screwed you around (or so you say - its not like you're going to come on here telling us all the things YOU did wrong in the relationship).

So why the big attack on single Mums, huh? CSA after you?

Martians

10-23-06, 04:16

Rubber Nursey: "My most recent foray into dolebludgerdom was a result of a life-threatening illness - the debilitating side effects of which I am still suffering from, months after (successful) treatment ended. I hope that's a good enough 'loser excuse' for you all."

I strongly object to this recent post as, if you read my previously post which will come up with this, I and, I hope, the vast majority of enlightened people here, do not differentiate between others in such a reactionary and retarded way. Although your own private life is none of our concern, a few real losers coming on here and ganging up on those more unfortunate than themsleves speak for no one but themselves.
As you are an Australian citizen, you are entitled, as a right, to whatever you are entitled to, plain and simple. And if others object to people claiming their rights, well f--k them. Let them join a political party, set themselves on fire in protest, jump off a cliff, trawl Odessa for compliant gypsy babes, whatever.

I felt I had to post this to emphasise that retards speak only for themselves.

Frequent Flier

10-23-06, 04:20

Long Stroker,

Thats fucking ridiculuos, so many guys are being straight up fucked by this courts, shit by the hole system, I guess the way it looks for men in this country, "your guilty until proven innocent".

Co-Worker married his girlfriend when she became pregnant about 6 years ago. I'll call him Fred. It did not work out and she left him when the baby was less than one year. Now I admit that Fred is not the sharpest tool in the tool box, but the girl runs off with an old friend she used to date and has kept in touch with since before She and Fred were dating or got married. He is never able to see the child, but the payments keep coming out of his check. When he complains about this the courts do nothing.

One of the ex-wives girls friends, who is nice and honest I guess, finally tells Fred that she cannot stand to see him being taken to the cleaners.

Tells Fred that the baby is not his, and his ex-wife has always known that it was never his. She had been fucking this old boyfriend she lives with now all the way through her relationship with Fred. Now his ex-wife and her boyfriend are supplementing their life style off the child payments for the child he is supporting...their child

When he petitioned the court to have a DNA test, because the mother of course would not agree to take one, they refused and told him that he had already signed on the birth certificate that he is the father and they are not willing to let him have it removed for any reason. He can't afford an attorney so he is stuck.

That is the legal system in the USA. Not about justice.. right or wrong..not at all

Paddy

10-23-06, 04:26

I thought that this forum dealt with that scary and quixotic creature called the American woman. How did the topic of WELFARE work its way in here???Welfare is a very emotional and wildly misunderstood topic that everyone is an "expert" on. The whole topic of welfare makes me comatose. Let's get back to AW.

CBGB,

Dude, I would not tangle with RN. She knows her stuff and has this sassy, rapier like wit. She's a legend around here and anyone who takes her on is looking for a major league ass whipping - metaphorically speaking.

Everyone have a good week.

Paddy

CBGBConnisur

10-23-06, 07:07

i thought that this forum dealt with that scary and quixotic creature called the american woman. how did the topic of welfare work its way in here???welfare is a very emotional and wildly misunderstood topic that everyone is an "expert" on. the whole topic of welfare makes me comatose. let's get back to aw.

cbgb,

dude, i would not tangle with rn. she knows her stuff and has this sassy, rapier like wit. she's a legend around here and anyone who takes her on is looking for a major league ass whipping - metaphorically speaking.

everyone have a good week.

paddy
let me guess, you're another butt licking aussie/red coat male?? to my fellow americans looking for greener pastures, forget australia. you have the verdict... australia is a dessicated, cultureless, former penal colony... in other words a shithole. there are better places in the world to spend your hard earned money. retards(especially asian tourists) from around the world flock to see the opera house and sydney harbour bridge, whoooopeeeee.

Rubber Nursey

10-23-06, 09:51

let me guess, you're another butt licking aussie/red coat male?? to my fellow americans looking for greener pastures, forget australia. you have the verdict... australia is a dessicated, cultureless, former penal colony... in other words a shithole. there are better places in the world to spend your hard earned money. retards(especially asian tourists) from around the world flock to see the opera house and sydney harbour bridge, whoooopeeeee.

hahahahaha that's right- retards from around the world flock to our country. ;)

and it's over two hundred years since we were a penal colony. couldn't you come up with a more modern and relevant excuse to hate us? oh, that's right - our women get pregnant and then expect men to face up to their financial responsibilities as fathers. can you believe the audacity of those money-hungry b*tches!!!

Martians

10-23-06, 10:08

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=446054&postcount=3916

An interesting report in Australia said that women are far more likely to hold racist beliefs than men. Oh and by the way, Ozzie women are good for fucking, they fall in love with your dick, but thats about it, I wouldn't marry any of them, still they are an improvement over the US females who want you to pour insane amounts of money and attention before spreading their legs. In fact, so many Australians are now marrying Asian women, luckily Australian immigration laws tend to be more migrant friendly than those in the US. Lots of fellas come back from their trips to Asia with a wife in hand.CBGB: Your many talents must not be fully appreciated. Maybe Asian women would fall for your charms. If they are small enough, you could carry a woman in each hand and post them back, mail order bride like, when finished.

I will soon be off to the Philippines. I will pack my ruler and tape and fill you in.

Piper1

10-23-06, 10:40

Hahahahaha that's right- retards from around the world flock to our country. ;) Including New Yorkers in search of Eastern European women who hand-wash the laundry! LOL

CBGBConnisur

10-23-06, 13:18

Centrelink girls, the world can't get enough of them.

Rubber Nursey

10-23-06, 14:29

I'm hearing a whole lot about my Aussie sisters, my country and my fat, lazy arse - but one thing I haven't heard so far is a response to my comments regarding your 'alimony' issues. I straight out called you a liar in my post and you didn't respond to the accusation at all. Not a whimper. I don't believe for a second that your ex is suing you for 'alimony' - not in this country. You only used that word because you knew you'd spark moral outrage amongst the AW boys and get yourself some sympathy.

MAYBE you're actually getting taken to court to divide defacto assets, but even that's hard to do when there are no children involved. The only way she's gonna get anything is if she sold her own assets to prop your business, or you bought assets together, etc - in which case, she deserves to have her share back when the relationship dissolves.

OR....she got pregnant and you didn't want her to have it and she decided she was keeping the baby anyway, knowing she had the "overgenerous Australian welfare system" to fall back on. Now she's threatening to dob you in to the Child Support Agency - or, if all this happened a while ago, you're already being chased by the CSA - and you're planning to do a runner overseas to escape paying child support. That scenario would much better explain your sudden venom towards Aussie women and the Oz welfare system.

Hey, maybe I'm wrong - but you've had four posts to tell me that and as yet, you haven't.

Sasha Coffee

10-23-06, 19:51

You think you got it bad in Aussie,

You think you had it bad in the States

So now you off to Europe to greener pastures.

Trust me sweetie, I'd trade that yankee accent for a Aussie or Kiwi one anyday over there.

There are good and bad women in every country and good and bad men in every country. Its unfair to judge and entire population on one person.

My god do we judge all american on George Bush. Lucky for them we don't, or we would think them all complete fools with a silly grin.

Sinanju Master

10-23-06, 23:22

THEN

After my years of travel I am happily living in the land down under in Sydney, Australia, and yes the women here are gorgeous.

NOW

Per capita, most Anglo Aussie women are average, if you find a real looker here she is usually of Italian, Greek, or Lebanese origin. Europe this past summer was far better than anything in Oz as far as finding beautiful women both pro and non pro. I reside in Sydney and have been stuck here for the past 5 years. The city is beautiful but I don't think its women are as picturesque as the surroundings. Then again the South and the West of Sydney frankly are shitholes.

Hollywood and the English speaking (Mostly US) mass media's recent love affair with Australia seems to hype up the beauty of Australian women to a very unrealistic degree because outside of certain posh Sydney neighborhoods(as well as bits of the Gold Coast) I have yet to meet FHM or Zoo quality babes in fair numbers as I would see in continental Europe. Few Aussie women look like Elle McPherson, Nicole Kidman, or Naomi Watts. Most remind me of down under versions of Roseanne Barr. Continental European women have always been more attractive than their Anglo counterparts.

THEN

Australian ladies have a number of advantages that make them better than European women. First, they speak English and for an American guy this makes it easy to socialize with them. They have British style sophistication and etiquette yet at the same time lack of the snootiness of British women and are very down to Earth. They are also very upbeat and very active, these girls love sports which is something rare for women. And most importantly they love sex and have sex appeal to keep a guy going.

I nearly kissed the ground when I landed in Sydney, this place is beautiful and much safer than LA.

I bought a gorgeous brand new property on the outskirts of Sydney near a beach area that costed me $150,000US with 2900sq ft. of living space, that amount couldn't get me a coop even 30 miles outside of Los Angeles. A property similar to the one I purchased would be ten times more expensive in LA. With regards to your statement that women everywhere want something out of a guy, this is true but in many countries women aren't as demanding as those in the US especially when you go to other developed countries with a similar standard of living like in Europe or here in Australia women aren't as materialistic. Also when I have traveled, going out to downtown areas, shopping centers, bars, nightclubs, basically places of public gathering I always see a lot of stunning everyday women doing everyday jobs. Good looking international women tend to be a lot more friendly the reasoning for this is that there are a lot more of them so they don't make a big deal out of themselves that and there aren't a lot of local guys that are rich.

I bought a gigantic four bedroom home just outside Sydney for only $150,000US. Actually Sydney is expensive relative to other Australian cities but compared to New York or Los Angeles it is nothing like LA or New York. Apartments in downtown Sydney are generally more expensive than private homes in the outskirts.

NOW

Australia is in no way a sex paradise, in fact its probably the worst country in the developed world for p4p, even the overpriced USA is better. Don't waste your time coming to Oz, its not worth the 23+ hour flight. I have had much better experiences with Kiwi women. Repeat don't visit Australia, it is a shithole. If you do get the chance to visit, if you notice all those anti-domestic violence ads, you will soon find out why Australia has such a big problem with this, Aussie women are C-U-N-T-S, you will have a greater urge to punch a woman in the face rather than get the urge to have sex with her, the personalities of the women here are that bad.

I am from the US myself, used to think American women were bad but recently met a fellow American girl in Sydney a few weeks ago and realized how much better I get along with American girls than with Aussies.

I have a lot of Australian male friends, and from very lengthy conversations most have stated that Australia is no paradise for meeting women, men outnumber women in Oz btw.

Its not uncommon to see a fat wench in Oz with a fit guy.

THEN

As for Australia a lot of American guys should really visit this country and see how the local Australian men treat the women here, its quite shocking, because despite the fact that Australian women are some of the most attractive and charming in the world, they are often treated harshly by the local Australian men. There is a lot of chauvinism down under and a more a guy from North America who is generally more gentlemanly towards women is going to do a lot better than the local Aussie guys. The other issue is the exoticism factor, where an American male accent will be seen as interesting, sexy, and exotic.

There is definitely a difference in the behavior of most Australian women versus their US counterparts. One of the biggest is that they don't ask what I do for a living, the car I drive, where I live, where I went to school, which are basically probing questions to determine my earning capacity. An American woman often sees a new guy as a potential piggy bank. I really don't see this attitude with Australian ladies in fact some women I have ran into here are turned off by greedy corporate types. Things that Australian ladies generally value more are personality, attitude, and looks. The Bondi Beach area though is the happy hunting ground for lovely ladies.

NOW

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Bart9000

10-24-06, 00:30

I believe that I am going to have to pile on.

CB's accounts just don't add up.....and as far as I can tell, they never have. `

Working strictly from memory as I'm too lazy to do research like Sin has:

CB made a post once about easily picking up hot Aussie beach bunnies on the beach.....like a month later he was talking about getting handjobs at the titty bar for $100. Generally speaking, when one lives in a cornucopia of pussy, one doesn't spend hard earned money overpaying for what is purportedly being received for free.

CB owns his own business....yet he RECEIVES vacation. That isn't usually the way that a business owner would refer to taking time off.

CB claims to have an Ivy League education. This is a statement of opinion of course, but I don't 'hear" a high level educated perception in his "voice".

It seems like I saw an old post of his talking about moving out of the US, having not done so yet. I could be mistaken, and don't remember where I saw the posts, but as I recall, it's date didn't match the time frame that he claimed to have been living in Oz.

This is looking unlikely, given the alteration in tone about Australia (which it doesn't appear that he is accurately explaining the reasons for), but for a long time, I have considered it a strong possibility that his whole "deal" is contrived, and he has been posting this whole time from his mother's basement in Cherry Hills NJ or wherever (I say NJ, because someone from there would be more inclined to fake being someone big and important in NYC, than say LA or whatever). Given the contradictions above, plus others, such as the recent "Tallin Estonia" incident, makes even what I describe within the realm of possibility.

B9k

Martians

10-24-06, 00:33

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2006/10/23/state/n103536D78.DTL

In this case, the Navy did swallow it. Or at least one sailor who killed a Marine because of a woman cyber baiting him.

Rubber Nursey

10-24-06, 00:51

Martians,

Thank you so much for your kind and compassionate message. :) (As you know, your post hadn't appeared when I gave my response to the 'welfare losers' comments).

Like you said, my private life is of no concern to anyone and I probably shouldn't have got quite so defensive. I felt compelled to defend the millions of us around the world who are not just 'dole bludgers' or baby-making machines, by choice. You're right though - I shouldn't have to do that at all. If you're entitled to something, then you have every damn right to access it. Either way, I paid way more tax in the last few years than I will ever receive in sole parents pension, so I guess I'm effectively just getting my own money back.

I only mentioned my own situation in the first place to demonstrate that CBGBs comments were complete rot. I mean, really - $1000 a week for welfare? Could anyone really believe that? Especially considering the average weekly wage for a woman in my state is less than $700!!

Anyway, thanks again for your comments and your understanding, Martians. They were very much appreciated. :)

Rubber Nursey: "My most recent foray into dolebludgerdom was a result of a life-threatening illness - the debilitating side effects of which I am still suffering from, months after (successful) treatment ended. I hope that's a good enough 'loser excuse' for you all."

I strongly object to this recent post as, if you read my previously post which will come up with this, I and, I hope, the vast majority of enlightened people here, do not differentiate between others in such a reactionary and retarded way. Although your own private life is none of our concern, a few real losers coming on here and ganging up on those more unfortunate than themsleves speak for no one but themselves.
As you are an Australian citizen, you are entitled, as a right, to whatever you are entitled to, plain and simple. And if others object to people claiming their rights, well f--k them. Let them join a political party, set themselves on fire in protest, jump off a cliff, trawl Odessa for compliant gypsy babes, whatever.

I felt I had to post this to emphasise that retards speak only for themselves.

CBGBConnisur

10-24-06, 09:28

Looking forward to a great time in Europe.

Sinanju Master

10-24-06, 10:06

Looking forward to a great time in Europe.

Dude, after compiling my research the conclusion is that: you can run away from the US and Oz, but you can never escape the mirror...

Martians

10-24-06, 15:22

I strongly regret my recent use of the word retards to describe losers who trawl the world looking for unicorns and the perfect woman. I also regret using the word losers to describe these dysfunctionals.

The Gods of Goodison apart, one of the great things about Liverpool and where the all conquering Toffees go is to see the Polish, Slovakian etc women out enjoying freedom, walking the Queen's own Highway like it was their own. It is fucking great to see the look on their faces, some of them with good jobs, some with bad and others with none.

And guess what comes with the package? These women want it, if not it all, at least some of it. This includes a good, stable man, most preferably from their own place and if not, someone who can give them real heaven on earth in places such as this http://www.evertonfc.com/splash.php

Cyberdas

10-24-06, 19:04

i thought i share this article with you guys:
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is it so wrong to want a man?

by christina bryza, sirens magazine. posted october 21, 2006.

i do not need a man. i do not need a man. i do not need a man.

i have a great job, financial independence (complete with debt), fantastic friends, a supportive family. my future is downright dazzling.

i do not, do not, do not need a man.

but man do i want one, and i am tired of feeling guilty for doing so. there is something about a male presence that is unlike any other comfort, and his absence is unsettling. i appreciate my roommates immensely, but they cannot salve the stresses of my day with a long, slow hug and a reassuring pat on the ass. my roommates will not pull me to the couch and rub my feet as we zone out to a basketball game. i do not watch sports when i am single. no one but my man can get away with tickling me, and he is the only one besides my teddy bear with whom i can cuddle at night. not to mention my vigorous sex drive and the fact that vibrators, while handy, cannot kiss.

i have gotten good at listing the reasons why i want a man. for years i have defended my choice to have boyfriends. my mother and sister have long observed—with a hint of accusation—that i always seem to have one. i used to object—i have rarely been in love. but when i look at the timeline, it is true that i tend to keep guys around: the total numbers in double digits. clearly, i prefer male companionship.

but why, dammit? i have been single now for a record two months, and i really wish i did not mind. i am a fully functioning adult. i am not looking to find myself in a man; i have already learned the futility of that endeavor. i have self-confidence, and i am not co-dependent. even if i were, i have roommates. i know i want to get married, but i am not anxious to do it soon. by all logic, there is no reason i cannot be happy and alone.

yet, at the end of the day, i still want a warm body next to (and inside of) me. i decided to find out why.

henry makow was a feminist in his first marriage, which was long before he started his website, www.savethemales.ca. i found him while googling around, looking for intelligent posts regarding woman’s need for man. and while he’s got plenty of questionable beliefs—like, oh, that feminists are working for the government to destabilize society—makow is a doctor, in the sense that he got his ph.d. in english literature. the canada-based theorist has been writing for a long time, has taught at the university level, and he makes a good argument that my troublesome urges to play the role of sweet, loving girlfriend are right on target with the natural way of things. he says men and women are complements, and so it is no wonder i feel incomplete without mine. he believes it is only right that i should crave a man's comfort. happily settled in his third marriage, he is, obviously, no longer a feminist. but after a good, long chat with makow, i learned that conspiracy theorists can also make some excellent points (and also that phone calls to canada do not qualify for free nights and weekends).

despite his passionate anti-feminism, makow is by no means a misogynist. "women provide the intangible that makes life worth living," he tells me. (go on, i'm listening … ) the intangible to him includes qualities like love, beauty, laughter, and other stereotypical notions of the feminine spirit. yet i am flattered, because he is right. i can admit that it is generally the ladies who arrange the flowers, wear the flouncy skirts, and bat the eyelashes. and aside from those superficial "girl things," we know that guys need us—something about our womanly wiles turns them to mush behind closed doors. the power of my come-hither smile is exhilarating. i am proud of my femininity, and i was pleased to hear makow acknowledge its significance.

i was less pleased to acknowledge his accompanying assertion—that because women have such distinctive abilities in the realms of charm and domesticity, we should not be competing with our male counterparts in arenas like breadwinning. at heart, he says we desire a protector and a provider, and that is what men are for. simply put, the boys are supposed to take care of the girls. we like to be pampered, and they like to make us happy. (um … duh?) in his book, stern goes on to define a lot of what women are in the process of vehemently disproving: the idea that men are best suited to have power in the physical and social environment, and that women flourish in loving relationships (a thinly veiled suggestion that we belong barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen). i want to tell makow that he is wrong, wrong, wrong. i am well-suited to have a career, and not a woman i know would be content to bake cookies all day. well, maybe one woman, but she really, really likes cookies.

before i can interject, makow continues: "women balance men." if women let men fulfill their roles as providers and protectors, men will make us feel safe and loved. in return, our safe-and-loved selves will be content, cheerful and productive. this harmony between man and woman does not necessitate strict gender roles, says makow. in his marriage, he does the cooking and she mows the lawn. i take this to mean it is okay to keep my job as long as i do not brag about making more money than my theoretical boyfriend. the key, he says, is to respect our instinctive strengths.

sure, he’s a little out there. but at a gut level, i not only understand his logic—i agree with it.

but i needed proof beyond some canadian who launched a website to espouse his ultra-traditional views. so i tracked down evolutionary biologist jay phelan. he would say that i agree with makow at a gut level because of the dna in my gut. when he told me that my desire for a boyfriend was "fairly unavoidable," i had to slap my hand over my mouth to keep from screeching in triumph. even so, i pumped my free fist up and down, and for the rest of the day sporadically muttered, "i knew it!" phelan is a doctor, in the sense that he received his ph.d. in biology from harvard in 1995. he is a biology professor at ucla, and he specializes in evolutionary genetics. he would perhaps find fault with makow's beliefs. but he does agree that many of our natural desires pre-date modern society.

whether you want children or not, your body is wired to bear them. and success, in evolutionary terms, is defined by your ability to produce offspring and raise them to reproductive age. personally, i would have been one hell of a success as a cave woman, but my urges to carry the children of every man i date seem out of place in the 21st century. eventually, however, i will need a man to have kids. (preferably, a respectful, high-earning, laugh-loving man who will not ditch me when my tits start to sag.) so maybe that solves the puzzle for me: i crave a man because my reproductive organs quiver every time i see a stroller. but there are plenty of women who want men, yet do not want to sacrifice their minds, bodies and bank accounts to offspring. so what gives?

sex gives. it gives, and gives, and gives, and we all want to get laid. turns out, you do not need to want kids to have this urge (again, duh). as phelan explains, "the biggest factor in accounting for the 'need' women feel for men (and vice versa), even when it would seem that they oughtn't 'need' them, is the fact that our brains and emotions evolved in a world that was different from today's modern world." (take that, maureen dowd.)

what worked then, works now, no matter how much we wish otherwise.

i am not a doctor. i have gotten pretty good at healing my heart, but that is about it. what i heard from makow and phelan confirmed the lessons my heart has already learned: i want to be loved, and i want to be laid. two guys, telling me why i feel like a girl. so what do my female peers have to say? some women find it traitorous for me to verbalize these desires. i am encouraged to plan my career: i get enthusiastic approval when i outline professional goals. but mention marriage, i.e., my long-term plan for being loved and laid, and it is rolled eyes all around.

why don’t these bitches want me to be happy? perhaps they lack the pesky genes that push me onto craigslist, or maybe they buy the idea that professional success can be as fulfilling as raising a family. i don’t know.

what i do know is that i need a man. maybe not yet — maybe now i merely want him. but it is only a matter of time till the need kicks in, and there should be no shame in a need that is natural.

christina bryza moved from texas to write and live in new york city, where no one is supposed to need anyone.

Sinanju Master

10-24-06, 21:04

I can live with that! A nice, logical, equitable compromise! I can't believe I said that!

China Lily

10-25-06, 10:25

Lots of older guys who are losers in America come to China to find girls and then a wife. Many American guys are gentlemen but some are not normal. They are older, never had married, don't shave and can be rough. They come to China and want different girls every night. Sometimes they treat the girls very bad. Sometimed they think they can treat girl bad because they pay.

After having sex with lots of girls, then they decide to find a wife and go on internet, choose 10, then 5, then spend a week with each one then choose winner to be his wife. Some guys are nice, some are buying a poor girl. A sixty five year old guy married a 22 year old girl, which he could never do in America.

I met a nice 22 American girl in a bar, she is a student. She hates the American boy students because they get so many Chinese girls chasing them, they act arrogant and make the American girls feel bad. Many of these guys are like retards but they treat girls vey badly.

Sinanju Master

10-25-06, 23:18

China Lily, I have seen some of the examples of the very older man with a MUCH younger woman in the Philippines. It's an uncomfortable sight even for a guy like me who likes younger (but very legal) babes. Myself, I've never been married, because I never had my act together. I'm still a bit of an adolescent in some ways (I like to party and there are some areas of my life where I can be irresponsible. Thankfully, those areas are not ultra-important, and when I DO need to step up to the plate on VERY IMPORTANT ISSUES, I always HAVE). I almost got married back in early '90, but I couldn't give her the life she deserved and she wanted to have a LOT of my babies (her words). I had to break it off in order for things not to get messy. Anyway, when I go overseas to meet women, it's becasue living here in the US and meeting jaded women EVERY SINGLE DAY makes a guy feel burnt out. I feel it's more likely that George Bush and Osama bin Laden will hold a barbecue in Tehran with pork chops on the menu before I get married to an American Woman. I'm just so fucking TIRED of the: "What can you do for me/give me?" attitude. Whenever I hear American Women elaborate about relationships, it's always what THEY want, NEVER what they have to GIVE. I KNOW what the fuck they want! I hear it EVERY GOD-DAMNED DAY! Tell me what it is that you (not specifically YOU, just AW's in GENERAL) will bring to the table to complement the other half of the relationship. My experiences OVERWHELMINGLY are positive when I chat with (or bed) women who are from foreign shores. I get to act myself and be a polite gentleman who can also make a woman laugh. I don't feel pressure to be an all-entertaining jack-in-the-box who has to keep a woman starry-eyed and hanging on my every word. I don't have to AUDITION like I'm on 'American Idol'. Sorry for the rant. It's not directed at you at all. I just came home tired from a day of hard work at a job no American Woman would even consider acknowledging on a man's relationship resume. Thankfully, I won't be doing this shit forever...

Yogin

10-26-06, 02:31

China Lily: whether I pay or get it for "free" (no such thing really), I am always polite, respectful, cleanshaven, gentle, and appreciative. In return, I expect to be treated the same way. With American women, all I get in return are demands for material goods, obesity, mannish aggressive behavior, complaints, manipulative behavior, faint or feigned interest in sex, inability to enjoy sex, attempts to change & control me, and a huge sense of entitlement. What's mine is hers, and what's hers is hers. You've not been here I presume, so you just don't know the whole story. Those jealous angry American girls you meet who are "made to feel bad" should take a look at themselves and their sisters to see why they are driving men away. But I too think it's kind of gross to see some fat ugly old geezer with an 18 year old schoolgirl. By the way: please don't judge a man harshly just because he's never been married. Would you prefer he had been divorced five times? That's what I call a loser and a fool.

Rock Dog

10-26-06, 03:44

China Lily,
you said the following in your last post.....

I met a nice 22 American girl in a bar, she is a student. She hates the American boy students because they get so many Chinese girls chasing them, they act arrogant and make the American girls feel bad. Many of these guys are like retards but they treat girls vey badly.

So, the American FEMALE student HATES the male students. Why? Is it because they did her wrong? No, it's because they have access to a supply of eager, attractive asian females. Because they have it too easy (in her opinion).

They feel bad about it? Gee, I wonder why. B*tchy, arrogant, american female with all kinds of attitude and she gets pissed off because the guys prefer the chinese girls. What's really going on is she's mad because the ecomonmics of the situation have changed. No longer is the young western girl in control of the pussy supply. All of a sudden she finds herself in an environment where there is COMPETITION from another group of women. A group who some might consider to be superior in many ways.

Those guys aren't trying to make the girls feel bad. They feel bad because they're in an unfamiliar situation where they no longer enjoy the advantages they always took for granted. I doubt if any of them will choose to make the adjustment and start competing. More likely they will pass the remaining time finger-blasting themselves to get by until they can get back to the US....... where they will, once again, be sought after by guys who are desperate for any piece of tail.

Rock

Rock

Bart9000

10-26-06, 06:50

I'm going to cut AW just a little slack in regards to them being ridiculous biaches when you approach them.

I've become friends with a girl who LOOKS like a barely legal petite little sexpot. In actuality, she is pretty much a slightly geeky innocent little thing who messes with rabbits at 4H club, and is in the marching band.

The amount of unwanted (she actually purposefully wears "birth control glasses" to cut it down) male attention that she has to deal with is absolutely ridiculous. She literally can't pump gas in her car at 6:00 AM without a dirty old man of 55 next pump over, making fairly overt overtures at her. No exaggeration. I left her alone in a coffee shop for two minutes so I could go take a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and when I came back, there was a fucking TWELVE YEAR OLD trying to score her number. It is non-stop, all the time. And some of these guys are ridiculously persistent and obnoxious.

I have to say that it is ridiculous to the point where ----I----- as an observer am disgusted with it. I actually came out and told her "you need to be more of a *****".

I can understand why our women become vicious bitches when approached after a few years of this sort of thing. We, as American men, as a whole are pathetic sex starved leches. On the other hand, what made us this way? To some degree, our women. The dirty old man of 55 referenced above has probably only been giiven sex by his wife on Valentines day, and maybe his birthday for the last 5 years. It appears to be a vicious perpetual cycle. Unfortunately, the effects of it are borne by both us nice guy.....and in this case, innocent teenage girls.

Paddy

10-26-06, 13:55

Capt Ajax

10-26-06, 14:39

Sad but true........American men are mostly to blame for the attitudes of AW.

I'm going to cut AW just a little slack in regards to them being ridiculous biaches when you approach them.

I've become friends with a girl who LOOKS like a barely legal petite little sexpot. In actuality, she is pretty much a slightly geeky innocent little thing who messes with rabbits at 4H club, and is in the marching band.

The amount of unwanted (she actually purposefully wears "birth control glasses" to cut it down) male attention that she has to deal with is absolutely ridiculous. She literally can't pump gas in her car at 6:00 AM without a dirty old man of 55 next pump over, making fairly overt overtures at her. No exaggeration. I left her alone in a coffee shop for two minutes so I could go take a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and when I came back, there was a fucking TWELVE YEAR OLD trying to score her number. It is non-stop, all the time. And some of these guys are ridiculously persistent and obnoxious.

I have to say that it is ridiculous to the point where ----I----- as an observer am disgusted with it. I actually came out and told her "you need to be more of a *****".

I can understand why our women become vicious bitches when approached after a few years of this sort of thing. We, as American men, as a whole are pathetic sex starved leches. On the other hand, what made us this way? To some degree, our women. The dirty old man of 55 referenced above has probably only been giiven sex by his wife on Valentines day, and maybe his birthday for the last 5 years. It appears to be a vicious perpetual cycle. Unfortunately, the effects of it are borne by both us nice guy.....and in this case, innocent teenage girls.

China Lily

10-26-06, 18:37

Many american customers are nice clean guys. Some are married some are not. I wont go with a customer if he looks dirty or rough not matter how much he pays. American women in China do seem to dislike Chinese girls, but most dont seem to try to look sexy or act sexy with their husbands. The same nice guys who are my customers and I see often would be the perfect husband for many Chinese girls, even if they say they love their wives and show their pictures, they need sexy women of different types. SOme Chinese girls can be bad though. Even if they dont love a guy they can act really sexy and flirty to get him to give gifts or give up his wife.

But even if a CHinese girl doesnt love her husband her culture and her tradition mean she will give her husband face, look after him and give him sex. Chinese girls know men need sex often and it is not something to be mad about. In old China, not really long ago it was normal for man to have several wives. Sometimes one or 2 wives and one or 2 concubines. The first wife can be happy if the 2nd wife or other concubine give sex to her hsuband.

I think it is the church or schools or mothers that make some American woment think they dont need to be sexy, not the american men

Cyberdas

10-26-06, 23:08

Aww come on now you guys are we entirely to blame for the attitudes of AW??

I don't mean to start a war here or anything like that, but to say that we, AM, are entirely responsible for the vile, arrogant, "me, me, me..." etc.. attitudes of AW is a misstatement all together.

No doubt a lot of the blame falls squarely on us (more on our predecessors, if you asked me) for having allowed and continuing to allow such out-of-place, uncalled-for, unjustifiable and unfair behavior to take place. But by the same token, with the feminist movement making headway in their struggle for equal practices in this country (fair pay, equal opportunities, etc...) thing for some reason went entirely out of control to the point of lunacy. I do strongly believe that it is how AW have been brought-up in recent years and the environment which so much endorses, and in many cases demands, such attitudes from them – that makes them be the man-hating, hemi-sexual trolls that they are.

I suppose most AM at the time( from the 60’s onward) were allowing such needed changes to take place – and rightly so – but when things started going overboard with the tilting of the balance going entirely in favor of women, even to the point of abuse, this is what I do not understand where contemporary / modern-day AM were.

Someone with more experience than me should be able to answer my questions:

What were AM doing to a) prevent such BS from taking place and becoming engrained in our everyday life here in the US and b)why does it seem like they were not doing anything to curtail such craziness?

CBGBConnisur

10-27-06, 04:17

Yogin

10-27-06, 05:34

i've had great experiences with japanese women, even though it's a rich country. there are no f'd up stigmas about sex, for starters. and women aren't afraid to be women, are joyful about about it, as a matter of fact.

here's some correspondance i had with the author of the asian mystique, a book that deals with stereotypes, misunderstandings, and cross-cultural relationships with east asia:

dear ms. prasso,

i just finished your book. while i found the grand portion of it illuminating and helpful, there is much with which i have issue.

about me: i’m slender, fit, healthy, professional, educated, cultured, from a good family, many interests, and with a happy positive attitude about life. i’ve traveled thrice to japan and once to hk & guandong. i’ve no interest in being a sex tourist or finding a mail-order bride from an impoverished desperate situation. i’m very much in love with my japanese girlfriend of fourteen months.

on to “rice queens” or whatever offensive labels that some may attach to me:

i’ll never apologize or hide my strong preference for asian (not asian-american) women. i won’t give some lame rationalization that it’s no different than a preference for blonds, as that just doesn’t suffice as to the depth of my feelings. i’ve had many girlfriends and one ex-fiancée who were from japan, taiwan, china, and vietnam. it’s been my experience that they are hardly weak and submissive. as a matter of fact, in their own individual ways they were all strong, brave, fearless, and almost always got their wishes. asian women can be strong, smart, successful, and at the same time still be women, i.e. soft, feminine, etc. and yes, i can’t deny their physical attractions: minimum body hair (don’t ever need to shave their legs), petite, obesity very rare, and (it’s true!) tight pussies. in japan sex and bodies are approached fearlessly as natural positive aspects of daily life. only when westerners came in the 19th century did censorship, segregated baths, and general prudishness arise to please the gaijin, to prove that japan was “civilized” enough to be respected in the west. but that is just for show. fortunately, under the surface is something else entirely. it’s refreshing to find so many women who approach sex freely with great joy and without guilt.

what is the difference with my experience with western (including asian-american) women? i’ve found too many western women who believe that in order to be successful they must replicate men. sex is a chore for the purpose of attracting or keeping a man. (ne journal of medicine, april 6 2006 reports 33% don’t even enjoy sex.) i’ve been dumped three times because i don’t make $300,000 a year. way too many are fat, loud, and impolite. the small numbers of women who are single, childless, educated, and not fat seem to be holding out for paul allen. i find it especially disturbing and telling that feminists are in league with the religious right in the war on sex: outlawing porn and prostitution. to make matters worse, i feel a sense of genuine anger, victimhood, and oppression, whereas american women are among the most privileged people on the planet. perhaps it stems from girls being spoiled as princesses from birth and they begin planning their weddings at age five. no wonder there’s such a feeling of entitlement and resulting bitterness and disappointment when adulthood is reached with no rich prince charming in sight who is six feet tall, with a full luxurious head of hair, and rich beyond belief. do you know how many women have asked me, one of the first things upon meeting, what car i drive?

i am familiar with the world sex guide-type forums you mention in your research. you have a point that such group-think tends to feed on and encourage itself to flourish and go over the top at times. however, i had come to many of their conclusions long before i had stumbled upon these sites. i reject the simplistic notion that dismisses it all as anti-feminist backlash. rather to my view, it’s more a larger rejection of american materialism, obesity, uptight christian values, and the general hate/fear of sex that has pervaded our country since its founding. some of the most oppressed women in asia are filipinas, not surprisingly, mostly as a result of their spanish/american and catholic history. i agree with the widely-held notion that american women won’t change until far more men wake up and search elsewhere for a partner. maybe then they will get the message.

you make valid points with your japan-american marriage case studies. it’s true that for many who’ve had bad experiences, it’s tempting to think the grass is greener in another culture by having unrealistic expectations. so we idealize our notions of “the other”, believing that’s the answer to our disappointments. you are so right that we must approach everyone as individuals, while at the same time acknowledging and celebrating cultural differences.

thank you for writing your book. i must admit that i had expected an angry feminist screed consisting of blaming men for everything wrong in the world, a familiar theme these days. it is clear that my fears were unfounded. it was sober, fair, and even-handed. i’ll recommend it.

dear mr. ....

thank you for taking the time to write to me... i appreciate all the points you have made...i am sorry to hear that you have had some bad experiences with american women in the past, but i hope you don’t think that we are all this way – as i hoped to say with my book, and which you echo in your own comments, it’s unfair to generalize broadly about any groups – men, or women, asian or western – and that i hope that in this crazy world with so many other problems and concerns that we can all approach each other as respectful individuals, as you clearly do.

with best regards,

sheridan

dear ms. prasso,

i never meant to paint all american women with a negative brush. i was merely relating my personal experience and what i have observed. my position is only that it is a numbers game. in japan i find far more women who are physically attractive to my taste and who have beliefs, attitudes and values which i share. of course there are such women here, but their numbers appear to me to be a relative few. i’ve never had a problem getting a date here, so my beliefs and attitudes are not simply sour grapes.

thank you again for your work....

Bart9000

10-27-06, 05:45

Starchild2012

10-27-06, 20:58

Sinanju Master,

Salute....You rock dude..that little research on CBGB was great...it just shows how empty we all really are....we can't get satisfaction anywhere in this world..where ever we go...the same mother nature is behind us...

Nothing against CBGB, I followed his reports from past three years and it was quite entertaining and informative..he describes his mind..i guess and now its quite startling to find the 180 degree turnaround....it happen to us all..its the eternal truth ...the grass is always greener on the other side..be it LA or Sydney...its all same..

Thanks for taking time in doing the research and opening up the truth...it was funny and i laughed my a** off...

CBGB no not you...common we want a reasonable explanation...and also you haven't replied to that post.....

Sinanju Master

10-27-06, 21:07

I regret that the source for my research was limited to 100 posts. If every post he ever wrote was available, I would have delved DEEPER and my exposé would have been much more thorough. Thanks for the pat on the back, though.

Piper1

10-27-06, 21:15

I agree - good research Sinanju (where did you get the time?)

CBwhatever has actually done the right thing by not defending himself, otherwise it would be just another flame war. He says his bit, gets it off his chest and moves on. Surprising for a guy who's pretty angry at the moment. Good for him.

BTW - someone copied your research post onto the Sydney thread. Someone you know?

Hardbarg

10-27-06, 21:25

I think it is the church or schools or mothers that make some American woment think they dont need to be sexy, not the american men
Why are American women the way they are (and men for that matter)? The short answer is St. Augustine. The long answer is, well, a lot longer.

Sinanju Master

10-27-06, 21:37

Thanx! I MADE the time because it appeared that he was going unchallenged with his posts and I decided to metaphorically step into the ring without the gloves. He used to sing the praises of Aussie Women with a frequency and intensity that made me suspicious. I felt that he was doing it in order to rationlize a decision he was now having second thoughts about -- moving to Australia. I noticed that this praise-singing stopped around February this year, THEN it turned to BILE. RN unknowingly gave me an opportunity to land an uppercut to CBGB's posts that eventually exposed the entire charade. Think about it: if someone attacks the authenticity of your posts (calls you a bullshitter), you fire back (in whatever manner you deem fit, civilized or otherwise) and defend yourself. CBGB DIDN'T. That in itself tells me that the towel was thrown into the ring, because defending the indefensible is a wasted effort. I never thanked her for setting up the knockout punch for me, but I'm sure she's gonna have a VERY LIMBER arm from patting herself on the back! LOL Shout-out to RN! I was glad someone else in the Sydney board RE-posted my research. That way, more people cann be aware of what they're dealing with.

Piper1

10-27-06, 22:26

Sinanju - Rubber Nursey is a great poster, with a lot of good experience and insights from an ex-WG's point of view. Clearly a smart woman. CBwhatever (he cannot spell his name, so why should I? ;) ) has his hang-ups, but who doesn't?

In the end we all have the same point of view, from slightly different angles - we're all in this game together.

I'd love to get together with a bunch of people who disagree/fight on this site one night. Have a few drinks and a few laughs. Could be fun!

China Lily

10-28-06, 05:32

Many American customers are nice who say theyre wives are nice but too conservative, so the men really want to come to pay girls for excitement they don't get at home. I dont know I should compare but I have brazilian and cuban girlfriends who are very sexy - their boyfriends or husbands dont go with working girls so often and if they do, latino girls seem more liberal about it.

I've never been to America so I dont know what its like for working girls there. Do american wives means business is better for working girls? or does the attitude of police and other people mean business is worse for working girls?

CBGBConnisur

10-28-06, 12:28

RN was once a ***** and now a Centerlink jockey??!! Wonderful career. I might have some words for China Lily, but my posts about American women being crap are very true. Since the UK and Australia are US copiers along with Canada and New Zealand, the women in these countries are the same as US skanks.

Beckenbauer

10-28-06, 13:04

Sorry OOT,

What is your opinion about German girl? I've heard that they are cold sometimes. Any experience with the Germans ?

Regards,

B

Ezinho

10-28-06, 17:11

i can understand why our women become vicious bitches when approached after a few years of this sort of thing. we, as american men, as a whole are pathetic sex starved leches.
i agree that american men are sex starved, but here's the problem i have with this posting by bart9000. guys in latin american countries, for example, do this kind of stuff all the time as well. there are many places where if a woman goes somewhere by herself, she's going to be hit on like you wouldn't believe it. latin men are not shy about letting a woman know they want to screw her. and this happens in countires where prostitution is widely available to the men. and the women there aren't bitchy like in this country (well, a few are, but most aren't).

look it, my point is men are men all over the world, and we all want the same thing; pussy! the story you described about your hot friend is not exclusive only to this country. it happens everywhere. what *is* exclusive to this country is the way the women *respond* to this behavior. instead of taking it as a compliment, instead of saying "wow, this guy's checking me out, he must think i'm hot!", aw think "wow, this guy's checking me out, he must be a [CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126), let me grab my pepper spray from my purse!"

we have a major problem in this country, gentlemen. there is, obviously, a war against men in this country right now, but it's more than just that. there is a war against hetero men. it is no longer appropriate in this country to find a woman attractive; that's considered a crime now. where's the proof, you ask? i'm including an article with this post from a certain newspaper here in california from last year, regarding a prostitution sting, along with a picture of the decoy "officer". now, honestly, which one of us here would not want to bang a woman that is walking around town, looking like officer misty smith?!? it's human nature, it's in our blood, and to try to entrap men like this is a direct assault on every red-blooded man in this country. there is something wrong with american culture to have this kind of shit go on.

anyways, to go back to my point about latin men (and to make this article relevant to the conversation) many of the guys that are caught in the stings here in california are day laborers, a high percentage i would say. now why is that? because, in their countries, being a man and wanting sex, is not a crime! they can look at bart's friend, appreciate her beauty, think in their heads, "damn, i'd like a piece of that", and then go on their way. they don't have the puritanical hangups and feminist mindset that we have in this country. that's why women here are bitchy. it's not because men hit on them and find them attractive; that happens everywhere in the world.

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last updated: thursday, sep 08, 2005 - 06:50:08 am pdt
some men were day laborers. one was a private security guard in a company truck. almost half were driving with suspended licenses. two were in a convertible, one drove a lexus and one came by bicycle. but the 13 men had one thing in common wednesday: all were arrested on suspicion of solicitation for prostitution in an undercover lodi police sting.

the five-hour operation, which was carried out first in downtown lodi and then on cherokee lane, netted nearly three times the number of arrests during an almost identical operation in april 2004 when five men were arrested.

an undercover lodi police officer hangs out at the corner of cherokee lane and maple street as she waits for solicitation for sex wednesday during a prostitution sting. (jennifer m. howell/news-sentinel) [subtext from pic]and the actual number of drivers who slowed down and spoke to the undercover female officers was much higher, said sgt. chris piombo.

"for every arrest, we probably had five guys inquiring" he said.

sometimes, the deals were almost humorous and perhaps pathetic. one man offered to exchange a vcr for a sexual act with officer misty smith, who was wearing a pink top, matching flip-flops and a pair of jeans cut into very short shorts specially for the occasion.

another man, who generated laughter among officers listening in unmarked vehicles nearby, asked if he could use a credit card. one inebriated man offered his inheritance, though it wasn't clear if he actually had one.

and one offered to make officer shana lopez a spaghetti dinner.

many of the men who expressed interest were never arrested, because they didn't follow through with the deal. it's legal to talk about such acts of prostitution, but once a deal is made and the suspect follows through with it by going to a specific place, the crime has been completed, police said.

the afternoon part of the operation was carried out on cherokee lane near maple street, where smith leaned against a stop sign with a bottle of water. once a driver made a deal -- usually for $20 -- and pulled into a nearby motel parking lot, detectives moved in.

several police vehicles, with lights flashing, came from nearby streets and parking lots, where they had been watching the undercover female officer and recording her conversations with the suspects.

don rice, a member of the lodi police partners, writes up a vehicle report after a convertible ford mustang is confirep001ed during a prostitution sting wednesday. (jennifer m. howell/news-sentinel)in no time at all, the suspects were handcuffed, placed in a marked police car and booked into jail. their vehicle was moved to a nearby parking lot, searched and inventoried, then towed. within minutes, all sign of action was gone.

"way to go, guys!" called sharee phillips, who happened to see two men arrested at once.

the 30-year lodi resident has raised two children in the city and said she wants to see police continue such crack-downs while she raises her 7-year-old.

"they need to do a lot more cleaning up," she said.

phillips said she doesn't see a lot of prostitution in lodi, but that it seemed to have been picking up in the past year.

the operation was partly a proactive police measure, piombo said.

"a majority of prostitutes are addicted to drugs. this is only part of their day; the rest of the time they're shoplifting and breaking into vehicles," he said.

one goal of wednesday's sting, piombo said, was to show future solicitors that prostitution won't be tolerated.

police typically target the solicitors because the laws concerning male officers approaching prostitutes are more strict, piombo said. additionally, arresting a number of men compared to two or three prostitutes usually sends a louder message to the community.

"we don't want them in lodi looking for this business," he said.

for smith, who joined the police department two years ago and was also undercover in last year's sting, the experience is not typical.

"women are driving by and giving me looks," she said while taking a brief break.

on her usual patrol duties, smith occasionally sees prostitutes, though she wouldn't have thought lodi attracted them very often. her previous undercover stint changed that opinion.

"now, i can pick them out," she said.

all men arrested wednesday were booked at the lodi jail, then released and given court dates.

unlike last year, when one man was found with a loaded gun and brass knuckles in his car, no weapons were found, detective scott bratton said.

contact reporter layla bohm at layla@lodinews.com.

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Yogin

10-28-06, 19:00

agree totally. it's the culture, a depressing mix of feminist dogma & puritanical repression. don't blame police; they're just doing what is dictated by law, policy, politics, and pressure groups.

and don't blame men. men are men, the same everywhere. only here is it a crime to want sex. whether it's to look at porn, hire a girl, come on to a girl, tell a co-worker she looks nice today, hell, even referring to women as "girls", pin up a bikini calendar in your cubicle, etc, they have all become crimes or will be soon. most women now regard all men as potential [CodeWord127] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord127), and hetero sex by definition as [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). 40 years ago these were views held only by a few radical feminists, but now they've become very mainstream.

Bart9000

10-28-06, 21:27

You guys absolutely have some valid points that I pretty much agree with.

I'm just saying that our view on this isn't the only way of looking at this, and there is some validity to complaints about men's behavior, even in our feminized wussiefied society. Granted, there is compensation for this (my friend will probably get her first break into a "real job" because her potential boss wants to fuck her) but still, it can be unpleasant to have to deal with, which reasonably results in some unpleasant behavior on their part.

I hear you about the Latin (and Asian, and Eastern European)cultures. However, there is a big difference. One girl there is GENERALLY to SOME degree (yes of course they have dogs and super hotties) just like another, as they generally don't have a proliferation of morbid obesity like we do here. The 20% or so of women we have who are actually physically attractive must bear the brunt of ALL male attention.

B9k

Elberto

10-28-06, 23:59

The 20% or so of women we have who are actually physically attractive must bear the brunt of ALL male attention.

A while back I was messing around on AdultFriendFinder. Many of the local chat rooms have get-togethers at a local bar. I went to one in my area and not one of the women would I have sex with for any reason. They were friendly and nice in person, but all were fat and unattractive.

What's crazy is that men are so desperate for sex that even these incredibly unattractive women are flooded with interest from men wanting them for sex.

If American men are so desperate to stick their dick in ANYONE female that they will throw themselves at fat, ugly women, it is unimaginable what kind of interest attractive women get.

No wonder they think they are God's gift to men, and do all the crap that women do to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off men.

Neon Noodle

10-29-06, 00:21

Rock,

Yes, you're correct. AW are intensely resentful of American men who opt for foreign women. They are also very resentful of foreign women. American women have had it their way for a long time now and they are very threatened by competition.

Several years ago a female colleague of mine (who I thought was a friend) came into my office upon learning that I had an ongoing realtionship with a Czech woman that I went to see about 4-5 times per year. This colleague went on and on about how I only like foreign women because they're "subservient" and that what I was doing was tawdry, etc. I got the same static from my sister-in-law and virtually every other female who found out about my ongoing realtionship. They always infer that foreign women are inherently inferior to AW. American guys who have never been overseas also think the same thing. It's like foreign women are of a lower class because they're not American women. Having experienced women on both sides of the Atlantic, I can assure everyone that Eastern European and American women are anatomically identical and a lot more feminine.

Interestingly, the colleague who confronted me drives a Volvo. As you said, everything comes down to economics and choice it seems.

PaddyI know what you mean. I went to Hong Kong this year to meet a Filipina I had met online. My first experience with a foreign woman ever and let me tell you I ain't looking back,,lol. I also noticed a general good nature to the women there as I have never seen before, the whole time I never saw any fat women either, lol.

I also got alot of flack from guys here,, most thought I was nuts to go so far to meet a woman or travel alone for vacation. None of them have traveled outside U.S. before, Although this was my first trip also and I claim in no way to be an expert, it opened up my eyes though and I liked what I saw and experienced.

I am 35 and never married yet decent looking, decent blue collar job and,, I seen too many of my friends get married quick and then taken to the cleaners, of all my friends only about a good handful I think will make it. So I have decided to take a different route.

Bart9000

10-29-06, 07:17

A while back I was messing around on AdultFriendFinder. Many of the local chat rooms have get-togethers at a local bar. I went to one in my area and not one of the women would I have sex with for any reason. They were friendly and nice in person, but all were fat and unattractive.

What's crazy is that men are so desperate for sex that even these incredibly unattractive women are flooded with interest from men wanting them for sex.

If American men are so desperate to stick their dick in ANYONE female that they will throw themselves at fat, ugly women, it is unimaginable what kind of interest attractive women get.

No wonder they think they are God's gift to men, and do all the crap that women do to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off men.

Glad to see that you get what I'm saying.

When 70% of your women are 7's or 8's, the appearance of the odd 9 doesn't rock your world.

Conversely, when 60% are say below a 6, and 80% below a 7, a 9 practically need a bodyguard.

There was a post on the Odessa board to the effect of a guy saying to a local girl: "You are pretty, blonde, thin, and well educated....you should be having no problems getting a man to take care of you". She replied "We are ALL pretty, blonde, thin and well educated...here, I am nothing special."

B9k

Alex Rock

10-30-06, 17:32

C'mon guys, I think there is a huge variety among American Women. On a Saturday night in clubs in New York, it seems easy to find well lubricated willing women. Texan single women can be real fun and hospitable.

I've met some real fun women on business trips in Detroit.

It seems the AW most of us complain about here are the stereotyped middle class, middle aged, conservative type. I guess if you're married to one, then life can be miserable.

Sinanju Master

10-30-06, 17:56

it seems the aw most of us complain about here are the stereotyped middle class, middle aged, conservative type. i guess if you're married to one, then life can be miserable.

no. since about '83, i started listening to aw's and their expectations/gripes and whatnot regarding men, and class and age have nothing to do with it. this is pretty much an issue that can be painted with a broad brush, with few exceptions.

you said you met some real fun women in detroit on business trips. were these meetings temporary (a few hours)? if you dated these women, (from what you said, it doesn't seem you did, but only chatted with them at length) then i'm sure it wouldn't have been very long before their true selves began to show and you would sour on them.

on a saturday night in clubs in new york, it seems easy to find well lubricated willing women.
sure there are lubricated women, but you gotta remember that in groups, they are subject to peer pressure. how many times have you seen a woman out alone in a club? not very often. you have to be like the tiger and get them when they are away from the safety of the disapproving herd. in a club, a woman is gonna have her shields fully powered, because she expects a guy to walk up to her with the purpose of geting into her pants. d-uh! make your approach when they are not expecting it: while doing everyday, mundane things like running errands or shopping, etc....

Artisttyp

10-30-06, 22:54

I live in new york and I can tell you forget about it. Girls go out in packs to save themselves from drooling men and most of them dont go out to meet anybody . Girls night out is very diffferent than a guys night out.

Also keep in mind the recent violence that has been surrounding whats left of new york city nightlife.

A single guy looking to get laid will be feared....not to mention an average of $20 to get in the door and $6/7 for a beer. Girls dont drink beer they want the $10 and up drinks.

The only way to do nightlife is to go out with a pack of people buy a bottle at a table and so on. I'd rather not nor would many people on this forum.
Sounds like you would just love miami.

Rock Dog

10-31-06, 03:51

I just laugh when I hear younger guys bragging about how "They never pay for it because they've got game." Ironic, beacause game really is a good description of what's going on.

Let's see, drinks at $10 apiece. That's after you've paid cover to get inside. Oh yeah, the ride to the club means you'll be paying for parking.... or a cab. Geez, these guys with the "game"....... they're already out $50 or $60 and that's only the first drink.

Not only that, but what is someone's time worth to them? Do I really WANT to be in some noisy club, losing my hearing while I try and convince some woman that I'm an OK guy, and it's OK for her to have sex with me? So, if you make 60k/ year your time should be worth around $30/hr since that's what you make at work. Therefore, someone wasting 4 hours of their time trying to get laid in some club has just used up $120 of their time. I make a lot more than that, so my time is worth even more to me. I don't have to think about spending $$$ on trendy clothes, shoes and expensive haircuts either.

My way? Spend five minutes picking out the girl of MY choice at my local MP, or even an escort with an online ad. I'm looking at maybe $120 at the MP up to $200 or so for the escort. I can go get laid at the time and place of my choosing, then I have the rest of the evening free to do whatever I like.

There's no such thing as getting laid for free, not after you turn 20 anyways. Guys that think they're getting laid for free because they've got "game" are just kidding themselves. If you showed them how much of their income actually goes towards getting laid, they'd probably find it's a lot more than they thought.

Rock

Alex Rock

10-31-06, 04:31

Maybe that is the point - When I've been out looking for a woman, I seem to fail but when I've not been looking for it, it happens. Maybe that's what AW need?

In Detroit, 4 times, I got talking to women on business trips and ended up in the sack. They weren't Detroit Women though. In Houston, a client's secretary took me around town, met some of her friends, then one night "would you like to come up for a coffee?". Common theme was that I don't think either side was looking for sex , then it happened.

In New York, it does seem women go out in groups for security, but I'm convinced over half are hoping they get laid. Sure, they get approached by all kinds of guys and they get to do the choosing. BUT, I've found taking a girl for dinner or a movie, sometimes not intending to - 90% of the time means they will be more than willing to hit the sack. Again - I think it's when you seem not to be looking for it it comes. Then from my very limited experience, I've overheard New York girls I've been with called their friends the next day to tell them all about it. I don't know whether that is good or bad?

Rock Dog - your approach is exactly why we like Escorts or Call girls, no baggage and we get to choose the time.

Bart9000

10-31-06, 07:38

All of the encounters you describe have an element of either yourself or the girl not belonging in the area where you are. This is "spring break syndrome" where a girl can get laid without getting the approval of her girlfriends on his worth as a potential boyfriend, judgement about her being slutty....It's one reason that we clash with the foreign guys now and then on here because our women go to their country and act approachable and give out the ass. all over the place ......THEY think, after seeing this that our women are great and we are a bunch of bitter assholes

B9k

Alex Rock

10-31-06, 08:31

B9k, I never thought of it that way. I think you're right. One of my best friends always says the best aphrodisiac is a business trip.

A woman I went with said the same thing, but in a different way. She said she'd never do anything in her home town because he consequences would be too high, but on a business trip, (read "spring break"), there are no consequences and women like to screw around as long as nobody finds out.

ILoveAnalSex

11-01-06, 01:26

There may be something to this Spring break Syndrome.

I moved to Las Vegas about 3 months ago. About 10 days ago, I started working on the Las Vegas Strip. In the past week, I slept with 2 women who were visiting Las Vegas on Vacation: One from Australia, the other from near Cincinnati. These girls approached me, started flirting, grabbing, teasing & then invited me to hang-out with them.

Now, the two girls I slept with each had a girlfriend with them on the trip & their girlfriend was equally touchy feely. They each took me to their hotel, bought me dinner/breakfast & I never spent a dime. Unfortunately, I couldn't pull off the menage-a-trois with either set of girls.

And I've lost count of how many times in the past 10 days I've been groped, had my ass slapped, been kissed, had some lewd comment or suggestion made to me, photos, hugs, etc., all while I’m minding my own business – I’m a work for Christ’s sake. And it seems that the more women there are in the group, the raunchier the women are; they feed off of each other. These are women from all walks of life, every race & every age group.

Now, I am no different here than I was in Florida or Chicago. In fact, I'm a little bit older, 36yo now. So it must be Las Vegas, or the fact that many people in Vegas are tourists. I’m sure this behavior is not relegated to just Las Vegas.

-ILAS.

Sinanju Master

11-01-06, 01:42

"What happens in Vegas STAYS in Vegas" isn't necessarily isolated to Vegas, but I'd be willing to name it the 'Vegas Syndrome'. Think about it: you can indulge your ID (pay attention, you Psych majors) and cut loose like there's gonna be a catastrophic asteroid collision the very next day. After your ID is sated, you can go back to where it is you live with no one the wiser.

Man, I'm getting SO MANY IDEAS from this! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Excuse me while I sit in my high-backed chair and thoughtfully stroke the fur of my cat while I plan and plot!

Yogin

11-01-06, 02:18

So true.
My only experiences when AW's have been free & easy with sex, no worries, guilt or BS, were either when I or they were traveling, or on or right after 9/11. I know it sounds sick, but I did it on 9/11 while traveling on biz with someone I'd met on the internet and met in person that evening for the first time. "End of the world sex" I guess.

Otherwise, AW's treat sex as a chore or means to an end, such as marriage, money, jewelry, other gifts, etc.

Alex Rock

11-01-06, 03:23

Sounds like AW on spring breaks or in Vegas are in a different mode - liberated, unafraid of social consequences. It's the same with Japanese women in Guam. Is there a way to enable them to be like that at home?

Sinanju Master: Can you tell us more about what went through your head as you thoughtfully stroked the fur of your pussy?

Excuse me while I sit in my high-backed chair and thoughtfully stroke the fur of my cat while I plan and plot!

Sinanju Master

11-01-06, 03:35

is to bartend at a tropical locale during spring break and the story I would give to any inquisitive AW is that I have friends in said country and they let me stay at their place out of the kindness of thheir hearts as long as I take care of the place. I earn my money by bartending in addition to what savings I have brought with me. I'll be lubricating my potential partner(s) during their foray into said country. Being an AM, we'd already have something in common and I'd spin my web from that...

Bart9000

11-01-06, 07:10

maybe that is the point - when i've been out looking for a woman, i seem to fail but when i've not been looking for it, it happens. maybe that's what aw need?.

there is something to this. women generally want to fuck men who are "cool", masculine, self confident, nicely put together etc.....something that i have found out over the years. is that it is extremely difficult to be these things while you are chasing them around on your knees begging them for sex. so don't. maintain yourself in a somewhat friendly but cool and aloof manner (you don't want to become "friends" with her.....next thing you know, she will be regaling you with tales about the exciting guys she is fucking. use the telephone only as a tool to plan meetings. don't "chat" with her like her girlfriends). if you have any chance at all, she will notice, and believe it or not, maybe even start "crushing" on you as a "real man", not like the million pathetic chumps (per my previous posts) who hit on her daily. she will, if interested, start dropping hints.

the proper way to ask her out at the appropriate time is:

"i'm going to cafe bon femme tonight to get some beef burgoneisse (sp). do you want to come?" (note: don't try to impress her or buy her off with the restaurant or the event. filling her tummy with lobster makes you into a used tool if she decides not to put out.....and if going to bennigans to watch the game is more your speed, go with that)

her: mmmmmm i love french food.

you: ok meet me (notice that this is a command, not a request) at the nice bar around the corner at 6:00. we can grab a drink before dinner.

her: i don't get off work until 6:30.

you: i guess that's ok. we can go a little later. meet me at the bar at 7:00 then. here is my cell number. call me if you are running late. (she may reciprocate with her number)

a closing bit of wisdom. the attractive young woman is like a cat. if you chase it, it will run away. if you ignore it however, it will end up on your lap.

b9k

Lomusa

11-01-06, 08:47

I definitely agree with Bart9000's comments. Checkout a movie entitled "The Tao of Steve" for further insights on dealing with women.

CBGBConnisur

11-01-06, 11:25

In English speaking countries the media is a big culprit to ruining the attitudes of women. Sitting in a dentist's office in Sydney earlier today, all of the reading material were celeb tabloids talking about Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, Paris the *****, etc. Being the only male in the waiting area, it seems as if the reading material was aimed at females. Its amazing to see all the crap that women in English speaking countries read. All bullshit about how miserable celeb A is and how they use their millions to deal with it. Crud like this is the reason most women in English speaking countries are the way they are. Some women who read this shit talk about Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise like they are friends. These women have a better chance of winning the lotto than Brad Pitt even giving them one thought. Its not uncommon for women in countries like the US, Canada, UK, and Australia to have in their posession some of these publications. Some of these types of magazines exist in continental European countries but they seem to be not as prevalent, and I haven't seen as many women in these parts of the world read this shit. Your average German or Italian lady knows who Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise are but that they don't seem as obsessed with what celeb A or B does or does not do.

Petemcc

11-01-06, 11:40

Dare I say it guys, women appreciate something different. I have loads of experience of beautiful women being with completer cunts, armed robbers and the such, and for many years I thought they liked bad boys. But it is not that. They like guys who are unpredictable, spontaneous. That's why shit heads are succesful, because the girl has no idea what the fuck will happen next. He may rob a store and then buy her a $20,000 necklace, or he may act tough and intimidate some other ordinary person. To them, it's excitement, it's nature. The steady, predictable breadwinner is an artifact of the last century. These days, women work and want fun. Yeah, they want money, from the predictable husbands/boyfriends, but they want fun as well.

If you want a woman, be funny, unpredictable, and not a pussy!

Sasha Coffee

11-01-06, 19:11

Reading your post about magazines. You are so right. I watch the girls I work with run down to the newstand and buy every magazine they can get their hands on, first thing Monday.

I wonder why. You have just told me. Its living vicariously.

I must be a man, I don't own any magazine of this type but my subscription to playboy and Rugby is due for renewal. I think after so long working with men so closely I have lost that female side of my brain. In fact the only female magazine I purchase is Fashion Quartely.

You are right, these magazines are filled with dribbles about Nicole Kidman, Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt etc and never once is good news, Never are they happy, they are all heading for divorce, miserable etc. The headlines are misleading, and we wonder why woman are behaving spoilt and want more more more. they are tuned from a very young age, shop shop shop, buy buy buy, lie lie lie.

Its not only American Woman who behave like this, sadly as America has more and more effect on the cultures of all countries the woman are slowly changing into spoilt, whinging, obnoxious, rude horrible creatures, and most of them have fat asses, that they think makes them look like J-Lo. Well I am sorry but that just delusion, When a superstar has a fat ass its curvy, when the average woman on the street has a fat ass, its just a fat ass.

Men I say stand strong and treat yourself with respect don't look desperate and don't spend money buying girls drinks, Save your money, she'll just wander off drunk and you won't get anywhere anyway.

Elberto

11-01-06, 19:43

The attractive young woman is like a cat. If you chase it, it will run away. If you ignore it however, it will end up on your lap.

About the time I got tired of messing with American women is about the time I noticed that more and more I was getting "the eye" from various women. Even at dinner the other night my brother's girlfriend was pointing out the women at the restaurant who were checking me out.

The ironic part is that they are looking at me now, but I don't want anything to do with them. I try to get interested, but I find I can't even pretend I care anymore.

I've got my plane tickets bought for my next international trip and I need to save my leche for my latina lovers.

Artisttyp

11-02-06, 01:10

I'm tired of men catering to womens needs. Western women have many issues to deal with and it's not the job of men to fix them. If prostitution were legal or more available I think you would see more men shying away from putting up with it.
I dont even need to talk to most western women to figure them out all I have to do is watch their body language and a few interactions with other people.

What really throws me for a loop is when I go to other countries and woman respond to my flirting.

About woman wanting someone spontaneous...Woman are just as scary as the guys they date. They may not look it but they relate to it. This type of attraction happens quite often. They are both feeding off each others insecurity. Most men who have their act together couldn't afford to think like that at the expense of their livleyhood.

People connect with each other for a reason. You may be upset that you are not connecting with this person but in the end it might be the better end of the deal.

CBGBConnisur

11-02-06, 03:23

Western is going to become a very vague term in the near future. Within a decade, China is going to have a bigger economy in PPP terms than the USA. I recently saw a movie about "modern" Chinese women and they are really no different from your average AW, the guy in the movie cleans up the chic's house which is absolutely filthy and cooks for them both, it also turns out her ex is in some gang and is a big trouble maker. Many of the behaviors of the females in the movie are quite Western, going for money and screwing around etc. A lot of what we know as the "West" might turn into the East in the next 20 to 30 years and vice versa. Strange but its really happening.

China Lily

11-02-06, 04:29

CBGBConnisur, of course Chinese girls will behave different as they get richer but we have a much longer history and culture. Chinese emperors and rich men had many wives and concubines and Chinese women expect men to like sex with other women so they are more liberal. It doesnt mean they are not good wives.

Famous Chinese prostitutes were rich ladies and brothels in old China were places where some men might find a wife or mistress.

We prefer western guys because they usually treat us better than Chinese guys who are male chauvenists.

ILoveAnalSex

11-02-06, 05:07

Sounds like AW on spring breaks or in Vegas are in a different mode - liberated, unafraid of social consequences. It's the same with Japanese women in Guam.

Japanese women in Guam? I did not know this. I may have to plot, too.

-ILAS

Alex Rock

11-02-06, 05:29

I must be a man, I don't own any magazine of this type but my subscription to playboy and Rugby is due for renewal. I think after so long working with men so closely I have lost that female side of my brain. In fact the only female magazine I purchase is Fashion Quartely

Sasha, Could you be a more attractive female because you are more in tune with guys? What do you like about Playboy and Rugby?

When I was about 10 or 12 my mother suggested I read her womens magazines to see how women think. Her idea was that I'd be more sensitive and a better guy. I liked looking at the pics of short skirts. One time she asked what I was reading and I told her - "this girl's knees" - she flew off the handle - her son shouldn't be looking at those pictures !!

At times women's magazines have catchy covers which make you open it but - shit, I find them so boring. "100 ways to better sex", "50 sex secrets", "My best friend slept with my boyfriend" and the ads !!!! Men's magazines are much more fun. Give me Stuff, Maxim or FHM anyday. I don't think it's because I'm a guy.

I think its good you dont pollute yourself with womens magazines. They'll make you insecure and prissy.

Capt Ajax

11-02-06, 14:44

China Lily, I met a very attractive Chinese woman about a year ago. She's much nicer than all the AW I've ever met. She's also a little firecracker in the bedroom and is a very giving person. She tells me that alot of Chinese women are very money oriented and finding a good woman is very difficult. She treats me very well and hope I'll be seeing her for a while.

LoveAsia

11-02-06, 18:13

By the way: please don't judge a man harshly just because he's never been married. Would you prefer he had been divorced five times? That's what I call a loser and a fool.

I call a guy that has been married 5 times an optomist.

AHornyGuy

11-02-06, 21:32

This was posted on Craigslist so I am not the author but it does capture a lot of what posters here have been saying rather well. It appears to be a response to a single mother's griping about her tough life.

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"We're our own worst enemies a lot of the time, but I still blame men."
- Janeane Garofalo

First of all, I wouldn't pick on single mothers. Anyone trying to do their best and raise a proper kid is fine by me. It's a tough job, and the ultimate example of the phrase "Hard work is its own reward." I have one issue with divorced mothers. I know a lot of women here want to defend themselves as a gender AT ALL COSTS and always blame the men for all marital problems, but there is one cause of divorce that no women want to talk about, much less admit might cause problems in a marriage.

What about marriages that fail because the woman has completely and entirely given up on her feminity? I understand a little baby weight that's leftover from childbirth, I understand she doesn't feel like applying make-up and earrings just to buy groceries on a Saturday morning, I understand having sex 4 or 5 times a week is too exhausting. I don't expect a working mother to dress up all day, every day like she's headed for the nightclub.

However, what about those women who, once they've become mothers, decide they want to resign their womanhood? Women who have absolutely no interest in appearing attractive to anyone. They purposely re-design their appearance to accommodate their own sense of convenience. They chop off all their hair and a get a low-maintainence boy's haircut. They stop wearing make-up, perfume and jewelry. They only wear running shoes. They buy those absoutely disgusting jeans with the elastic band on them. They don't even shave their legs. The only remaining pleasure they're willing to indulge in is food, so their waistline expands over the years without concern for blood pressure or cholesterol levels. They don't want to exercise, they want to drink coffee all day and blab on the phone with other moms over the intricacies of how-to-read videos.

She's given up on any catering to her husband. Should he be the primary focus of her life? Of course not, but she will not give any consideration to his needs. He is a chauffeur, a source of income, and her date on national holidays--that's it. I'm not talking about the 1950s-style husband either, who comes home and drinks scotch and reads the paper while she's running around cleaning everything. Those days are over. These days, both halves of most couples have to work full-time to keep the family going. Both halves of most couples also have to do house-cleaning, help with homework, and alternate duties in general. One-income families with stay-at-home moms are growing fewer and fewer in number, and women can no longer defend themselves on the grounds that they do more family work than the men do. It still happens, but not nearly as much as it used to.

Women only put effort into their appearance and their relationship when there is competition. A married woman with children figures her husband isn't going anywhere. He married me, we have children together. She's through trying to look good for him. Hey, if he's let himself go as well, then it's fair game. But a lot of times, the female sexual end of a marriage starts to evaporate before his does.

OK, you're a married mother who's still in shape. You still wear make-up and fitting clothes. Once in a while, you and your husband still pop open a bottle of wine at a downtown hotel after sending the kids to your parents' house for the night. Fine, I'm not talking to you. You are the exception to the rule. Millions of other women are on the opposite end of the spectrum. They've decided they'd rather look like a middle-aged lesbian.

Dad gets sick of this shit. Like the mom, Dad doesn't have so much time to run around with friends. His routine is pretty much composed of family life at home, which he understands and accepts. But, he still wants to have a little fun with his wife now and again. This is impossible to do for two reasons. First, she doesn't want to have any fun that doesn't involve the children. Adult pleasures were dispensed of in the delivery room. Second, he can't have fun with her even if she was willing, because she now has let herself turn into Kathy Bates.

Even Miranda -- that megalomaniacal control-freak yuppie on Sex and the City -- once properly remarked that "no one wants to fuck mean old Mommy". Once the kids come, these women completely let themselves go, they no longer see any need to look attractive or pursue any kind of romantic or sexual fun. She no longer wants to be a woman, she justs wants to be a Mom. If you take away from your husband any and all reasons to have sex with you, he will go have sex with someone else, and he will do it to the tune of any monthly alimony payment if he has to. Sooner or later, as much as he loves the kids, the joy the children bring him are nullified by his roommate, who is now someone he used to share a life with who now exsists solely as a mental manager to remind him of what he supposed to do next for everybody else in the house (along with an unwanted running commentary of everything he's doing wrong).

Many married moms, 10 times out of 10, would rather have a marathon cookie-baking section rather than do something spontaneous or fun with just her husband. OK, 8 out of 10 times is fine, 9 out of 10 times is understandable, but 10 times out of 10 for the kids? Nothing for just you and your husband, or even just for yourself? There are women who are that slavish in their devotion to making sure their children are entertained at all times. But don't they realize that it will create side effects and eventually repercussions to their marriage?

No, they don't realize it, and even if they did, they lie to themselves about it. Women repeatedly try to fool and outright lie to themselves with the aid of self-help books, magazine articles and daytime television into believing that sex is not really an important marriage component to their husbands. Generally speaking, a woman will never hesitate lying to herself to maintain the belief that she's on top of it all. They honestly think (subliminally or consciously) that they can hold a man's sex life hostage. If a couple has been married more than a decade and she has let herself go as previously described, he has definitely compromised his wedding vows for a little strange (if he's unattractive, he just goes to a massage parlor or a prostitute -- but they all do it).

"Not my husband!" Yes, your husband too.

Once he's cheated, he's done so because he considers this a cheap alternative to divorce. He will do his best to make sure she never finds out, either out of love, or out of fear of adultery being brought into the divorce proceedings. The most disciplined of men, those who are planning their escape from sexual Alcatraz while his wife is orchestrating another backyard sleepover, knows why, when and how he is going to bail from his marriage. He waits until the lawyers are done before sending himself into new female company. Women continually fall for this crap, thinking they can get away with having a husband who's satisfied with a dormant sex life. They've been hearing the schemes of men since high school ("I promise I'll pull out"), and yet they cling on to false hope, believing that their man is different and is going to put up with all her bullshit for the sake of the children. There are a lot of good family men out there, but they all have their limits.

And when these good men break and leave, her defense of her own negligence is that "you don't understand how I really feel". As if to imply that if he did understand how she really feels, that he'd rightly throw his own feelings out the window (which is what she'd really like him to do), because Mom is so beleaguered and overwhelmed with all this parenting that she insisted she do all by herself. Women do this to themselves, then they muster up the temerity to blame all their marital problems on their husband. "...and that, my friends, is the end of the story."