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Check out the latest issue of Time magazine. There is an interesting article regarding a new trend in China. It's called "flash divorce".
Apparently, as living standards have been going up, there has been an increased tendency for Chinese women to opt for divorce when they find out about their husbands' infidelities. Western influences get blamed too (of course) but it still makes for interesting reading.
Rock
CBGBConnisur
11-04-06, 14:50
India recently enacted legislation that makes domestic violence a crime. Not that I condone such behavior but the feminist trend is the tip of the iceberg. I have gotten the opportunity to meet a lot of fresh off the boat Asian women usually from China and Southeast Asia in Oz, and to tell you the truth, they are really no different than your average AW. Really, a friend of mine, his uncle married a Malaysian woman, and just from talking to her, she boasts about her brother who makes millions ripping off gamblers in Macau, she is no different than your run of the mill AW. I noticed a good number of the countries with low divorce rates happen to be Catholic, I wonder if religion is factor. Puerto Rico, the country with the second highest divorce rate is Catholic but is heavily controlled and influenced by the US to the degree its the 51st US State. Puerto Rican women are stunning but extremely high maintenence.
I live in China and saw lots of unhappy marriages that were arranged. Now both men and women here can get divorces very easily as long as there aren't kids involved. It related to Marx and Engels theory that "Marriage is a product of private property". Many Chinese women tolerated their men screwing around but now lots of great Chinese women I know are divorced - usually because their hubbies screwed around or want to be free to screw around. It's economics. If women don't need men to live a good life, they'll choose men for different attributes.
I think Asian women make great wives - IN GENERAL - because of their culture, but it doesn't mean they are all great. You can't generalize.
I don't think divorce rates tell you anything about women, men or the quality of marriages, since there are many other factors involved.
Yes, I said it and it's true.
Here's why......Demographics. It's simple actually, all these westernized, feminist types have a few very important things in common.
1. They live in countries where there standard of living has increased.
2. They exhibit a significant decline in birthrate ie. Once they become more educated, and more highly paid .... they start having fewer and fewer children.
Pick any country in Europe and look at the birthrates. They're all below 2 births per couple, which is the rate necessary just to maintain a stable population. Same thing in the US and Canada.... at least amongst educated people with middle class or better socio-economic status. Sure, welfare bums are having lots of kids. The hispanics are having more than 2.0 per couple, but that tends to prove my point, since neither of those two groups seem to have a high incidence of feminists.
So what all this means is that the populations are declining in the countries where feminism exists. Sure the population is the US just hit 300 million, but that's mostly due to immigration (illegal and otherwise), and higher birthrates amongst various ethnic groups that serve to offset the lower birthrates for other groups.
In Europe its the same thing. There are over 50 million muslims living there now. Birthrate amongst white europeans... btw 1.3 to 1.8 per couple. Birthrate amongst the muslims.... 3.5! If memory serves, I don't think Islam and feminism are mutually compatible.
My guess is, that a couple of hundred years from now, feminism will be looked on as a historical oddity.... if anyone even remembers it all.
Comments?
Rock
Sasha Coffee
11-04-06, 19:42
Very insightful.
I often wonder which category I come under, Feminist or Not. Mmmmmm.
Feminist - I make the decisions regarding my body and life
Not - I spend my working life being subservant to males.
I getting confused,
As US Hispanics have gained wealth, their birth rate has begun to decline, not surprisingly.
http://prorev.com/2006/10/us-male-testosterone-levels-are.htm
Here's a fascinating new study that AM as a group have seen a steady decline in overall average testosterone levels over the past 20 years. Some may say it's environmental, etc. But perhaps it's all the social conditioning, living under female domination, being treated like a dangerous sexual predator. We truly are being snipped!
CBGBConnisur
11-05-06, 11:14
A large US investment bank is predicting that within three decades the four largest economies(in aggregate US dollar terms) in the world will be China, India, Brazil, and Russia, they will have more economic output than the USA, the four richest European countries and Japan combined. Two of these countries are popular mongering destinations from people who live in the current cream of the crop, the G-6. I have been looking at mongering reports from Brazil and it seems as if women are becoming very westernized over there with prices for p4p steadily increasing.
Yes, I said it and it's true.
Here's why......Demographics. It's simple actually, all these westernized, feminist types have a few very important things in common.
1. They live in countries where there standard of living has increased.
2. They exhibit a significant decline in birthrate ie. Once they become more educated, and more highly paid .... they start having fewer and fewer children.
What you have said is true. The statistics you have quoted are accurate. But your conclusion is incorrect because you have left out some very important information.
Feminists do not need to have their own children to reproduce their ideology. What they can do, and have been doing for several years, is adopt children from those countries where women are still having lots of children.
Feminists have outsourced their child-bearing duties in much the same way the we have outsourced our sex partner duties. Feminist are importing children and raising them the way the want. The more recent media hypes of Madonna, Angolina Jolie, Rosie O'Donnell, etc. are just the tip of the iceberg. Ordinary women who waited too long to have their own biological children, and now can't, have been adopting from China, Eastern Europe, India, Central America, for decades. They are able to afford to adopt due to the high incomes they now earn.
So, I do not believe feminism is doomed. It will be around for some time yet.
The first feminist I got close to was a lab partner at Uni, she got pissed at me for holding doors open for her. Her definition was of feminism was independence and not needing to rely on a men or men - the freedom to be with men as an equal and the freedom to be alone. It meant the freedom for a woman to what she wanted with her body, either keep it to herself, use it in bed or sell it.
The feminists you label - Rock Dog and George90 - seem to be the prudish evangelists or women with chips on their shoulders or women with money and independence.
Are you afraid of confident women? Wouldn't you prefer to have sex with a woman because she wants you and not because she needs your cash/home?
A large US investment bank is predicting that within three decades the four largest economies(in aggregate US dollar terms) in the world will be China, India, Brazil, and Russia, they will have more economic output than the USA, the four richest European countries and Japan combined. Two of these countries are popular mongering destinations from people who live in the current cream of the crop, the G-6. I have been looking at mongering reports from Brazil and it seems as if women are becoming very westernized over there with prices for p4p steadily increasing.
My theory is that as wealth increases, the profession declines and freebies increase.
Wanderer1000
11-05-06, 17:43
Rock Dog,
Although there is a lot of writing about demographics, I was thinking that you may have recently read this guy's book.
I believe there is one European country that has a 5.6 birthrate - Albania - and it's 75% Muslim. Yes, the countries of the West (generally associated with the movement of feminism) are in a sharp demographic decline, and the Muslim culture is increasing rapidly in these countries. The U.S., however, is the one country that is not showing a decline in demographics (hence, the title of the book). Our immigration is largely Hispanic, but the conservative voting states of America still have an Anglo birthrate that is a little above the replacement level. That's why we'll see a 35% increase in the American population in in the next thirty-five years.
Since the birth trend in the U.S. is of the more conservative population, feminism may take a fall. But we'll also tend toward conservative politics in general. From a mongering perspective, U.S. conservative Christian values and U.S. feminism have both been a bucket of cold water for us here in America.
http://prorev.com/2006/10/us-male-testosterone-levels-are.htm
Here's a fascinating new study that AM as a group have seen a steady decline in overall average testosterone levels over the past 20 years. Some may say it's environmental, etc. But perhaps it's all the social conditioning, living under female domination, being treated like a dangerous sexual predator. We truly are being snipped!
It's your diets - Some pesticides in the US are estrogen analogues - and find their way into your milk and beef and obesity and lack of exercise are accompanied by lower testosteron. To increase your testosterone, try eating more sweetbreads, take up some contact sports and go to places with sexy women - that helps too!!!!!
Very insightful.
I often wonder which category I come under, Feminist or Not. Mmmmmm.
Feminist - I make the decisions regarding my body and life
Not - I spend my working life being subservant to males.
I getting confused,
I'm confused too.
It depends whether you are happier buying your own drink or buying a guy a drink.
I wonder whether I'm a chauvinist.
Chauvinist - I like having my way with women.
Not - I like women having their way with me.
Sasha Coffee
11-05-06, 19:05
That didn't help,
I'm happy to do both, but then I suppose more men buy me drinks than the other way round.
Is that because they are paying me anyway and so I expect it. Or is it because I'm subservant.
Oh dear, I will have to ponder this one.
George90,
Good point about feminists reproducing their ideology. I prefer to think of it more in terms of an infection. 1 infected individual (feminist) might be capable of transmitting the disease (feminism) to many others. How many and for how long? Depends on the resistance of the potential host. Strongly ingrained cultural and religious values tend to make women quite resistant to feminism.
I strongly suspect that feminism, and it's associated attitudes, flourish when there are good economic conditions. What do you find overseas? Lower standards of living, more culture, and less feminism. Of course there are exceptions, but I think there is a pretty strong correlation.
Alex Rock,
No, I'm not afraid of confident women. There's a difference btw a so-called confident woman and the kind of women we meet everyday. Boring, ordinary, unattractive spoiled little creatures don't scare me in the least. They are tiresome! .... the way they sit around waiting until they're 34 years old before they get married. The way they think that there must be something special about them because that's what the mommy told them when they were growing up.
I truly do prefer a confident woman. Especially one that can look me in the eye as I walk past her..... instead of staring at the ground. I like a woman who is confident enough to ask if it's OK to share some equipment at the gym..... instead of hovering in the background waiting for me to finish.
There really aren't that many confident women out there. Just look at any of the crap magazines that they read. Most women in the US and Canada are confused and insecure. Most of them don't even know what they want...... they just know they want a lot.
Rock
My theory is that as wealth increases, the profession declines and freebies increase.
I've no problem with that. In Japan, by contrast to the US, freebies are easy and everywhere to be found. Sex is viewed as a positive fun healthy aspect of life. P4p is freely available but horribly expensive, so I never bother.
For the retarded sexual attitudes in the US, I think we need to blame feminists a little less and religious conservatives (Jewish/Christian/Muslim) a lot more. Feminists are a relatively recent phenomemon, while the latter have ruled the culture from the beginning.
the feminists you label - rock dog and george90 - seem to be the prudish evangelists or women with chips on their shoulders or women with money and independence.
are you afraid of confident women? wouldn't you prefer to have sex with a woman because she wants you and not because she needs your cash/home?
alex,
i used to pursue "confident" women here because i felt they would make great parental role models, would make competent partners, etc. i also believed that women who were confident about their sexuality would make fantastic lovers.
my experience, based on the women i was able to attract to myself and get to know, was that "feminist" women gained their "confidence" by degrading and humiliating men. i have had both female "friends" and female colleagues make remarks about specific men and men in general, that if a man had made he would be castrated as chauvanist and mysognist. after meeting many women and realizing that any romance with them would mean bearing insult upon insult, it dawned on me that many "feminists" use "feminism" to hide their own incompetence and insecurities. just as men do when they villainize women. just as one race/religion/age group/etc. does when it villainizes another.
i also learned that inspite of being "liberated", most "feminists" still believe in "traditional" sexual behavior for themselves. they will fight like demons to protect the right of some other woman to behave like a **** or *****. but they will not at all behave in a way that raises the risk of them being called a **** or *****. then, to rationalize their asexual behavior, they use "feminism" to claim that male desire for sex is chauvanist and a form of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123).
this does not apply to all women, as it is based only on the women i have met and dealt with.
to specifically answer your question; no!!! i greatly prefer that a woman has sex with me because she needs something from me, not because she wants me. hopefully, what she needs is to feel that i find her very sexy, to feel that i value her feminity and appreciate her physical affection, and to feel loved.
George90,
I strongly suspect that feminism, and it's associated attitudes, flourish when there are good economic conditions. What do you find overseas? Lower standards of living, more culture, and less feminism. Of course there are exceptions, but I think there is a pretty strong correlation.
Rock
Thanks, Rock.
I am not sure I agree with the economic association. During the 50's in the US, there were great economic conditions and weak feminism. In the 60's and 70's, economic conditions were worse but feminism was rampant.
And then there is the Black community. Before the War on Poverty and the enactment of welfare and other income support programs in 1965, Black marriage rates were as high as Whites'. Daniel Moynihan headed an investigation, around that time, into how poverty was destroying the Black family. After welfare was passed, marriages rates for Blacks dropped dramatically and have never recovered. Before Balck women needed Blakc men for support, so they married them. After welfare, Black women had the government to support them and didn't need Black men anymore, so they stopped marrying them. A whole culture of non-marriage has evolved among low income Blacks in the US, and has already started evolving among low income Whites.
And of course, "feminism" was the excuse for as to why poor women shouldn't marry men for economic purposes.
In most developing countries, there is no social safety net, so everyone has to rely on family when emergencies happen. And family includes husbands.
Sasha Coffee
11-06-06, 03:56
This may be my small part of the world, but in New Zealand we have a huge Feminist movement.
Well we have a female priminister, chief justice, Governer general and more than ample female policiticans representing this country. Damn we even have a trans sexual member or parliament. So New Zealand is chin deep in feminism. It is also chin deep in teenage pregnancy, drug habits, social welfare dependency, divorce, homosexuality.
I have often wondered about the continued collapse of our society since woman took control and the politically correct culture of work places, schools etc got so ridiculous we are now awash with young men that are struggling to know what it is to be a man or behave like one.
Perhaps its time these feminists stopped trying to turn men into their whipping boys and let men be men. Perhaps also they should stop making women feel inadequate if they don't choose to be feminists.
I am neither feminist nor anti male. I am anti either male or females pretending they are better than the other. Both sexes have their individual strengths and weaknesses, its time we admired each for sex for both of these and stopped trying to make us all equals. We are not all equals. We are individuals.
there is something to this. women generally want to fuck men who are "cool", masculine, self confident, nicely put together etc.....something that i have found out over the years. is that it is extremely difficult to be these things while you are chasing them around on your knees begging them for sex. so don't. maintain yourself in a somewhat friendly but cool and aloof manner (you don't want to become "friends" with her.....next thing you know, she will be regaling you with tales about the exciting guys she is fucking. use the telephone only as a tool to plan meetings. don't "chat" with her like her girlfriends). if you have any chance at all, she will notice, and believe it or not, maybe even start "crushing" on you as a "real man", not like the million pathetic chumps (per my previous posts) who hit on her daily. she will, if interested, start dropping hints.
the proper way to ask her out at the appropriate time is:
"i'm going to cafe bon femme tonight to get some beef burgoneisse (sp). do you want to come?" (note: don't try to impress her or buy her off with the restaurant or the event. filling her tummy with lobster makes you into a used tool if she decides not to put out.....and if going to bennigans to watch the game is more your speed, go with that)
her: mmmmmm i love french food.
you: ok meet me (notice that this is a command, not a request) at the nice bar around the corner at 6:00. we can grab a drink before dinner.
her: i don't get off work until 6:30.
you: i guess that's ok. we can go a little later. meet me at the bar at 7:00 then. here is my cell number. call me if you are running late. (she may reciprocate with her number)
a closing bit of wisdom. the attractive young woman is like a cat. if you chase it, it will run away. if you ignore it however, it will end up on your lap.
b9k
a. i'm being an ass quoting myself
b. waaay off the current topic of conversation.
but i had to bring this up:
this guy i work with is absolutely pathetic. he, in his mid late thirties is still acting like the most pathetic of schoolboys with women.....following them around like a puppydog, jumping up and down for their approval, giving compliments, kissing hands literaly and kissing ass metaphoricaly.................he's called my smoking hot little friend (after obtaining her number under the pretense of going to a movie as "just friends"-she panicked and gave it to him to avoid an awkward situation)......he has since, for the last 10 days or so, called her every night ......and usually a late night attempt at a "booty call" too..
i laughed my ass off yesterday. i, in two seconds accomplished much more towards getting some ass (i wasn't actually trying mind you), when i handed a small handfull of garbage (sweetner packages for my coffee), to an 18 year old piece of ass (not my friend), and commandingly instructed her to "file this" into the adjacent wastebasket. i would be willing to bet good money that the little tiny nothing flash of testicular fortitude caused more of a "warm glowey" feeling in the bottom of her stomach, than any endless hours of pathetic ass kissing.
b9k
I've no problem with that. In Japan, by contrast to the US, freebies are easy and everywhere to be found. Sex is viewed as a positive fun healthy aspect of life. P4p is freely available but horribly expensive, so I never bother.
For the retarded sexual attitudes in the US, I think we need to blame feminists a little less and religious conservatives (Jewish/Christian/Muslim) a lot more. Feminists are a relatively recent phenomemon, while the latter have ruled the culture from the beginning.My sentiments precisely from my time in Japan. However, there was always one thing bothering me. How often were the other J-guys hooking up? You here reports about sexless couples etc. in Japan. Are the foreign guys just cleaning up in Japan or are J-guys too? I never found out because I didn't really know too many j-guys. Not with all the great j-girls around!
ILoveAnalSex
11-07-06, 21:47
Hey Mongers:
This is not really on track with the latest conversations in this forum, but it does apply to the AW forum in general. This is something I found on the Las Vegas Craig's List. I thought it was funny, so I decided to share it.
Enjoy
-ILAS
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A man's point of view: - 30
Date: 2006-11-03, 12:33PM PST
The following are the thoughts of a non-smelling, cat hating, dog despising, financially secure, college dropout, career having, kid loving (just not yours), fun, laughing 30 year old single man.
I read the postings from women every now and again, but they never change. I think I have captured the essence of just about every post I've seen. Though, I must admit, one does catch my eye from time to time.
1. Please no body odor – Really? I so thought that was attractive. I don’t know what kind of guys you been going out with that you feel compelled to put this in your post. So what bus terminal have you been getting your dates from?
2. Must love cat - Guess what. I hate cats, as do most guys, unless their gay. The way cats walk around like they're better than you. They ignore you when you call them. They're assholes. So you’re probably an asshole. P.S. Clean the cat fur off your clothes before leaving the house.
3. Must love dogs - Dogs smell, they shed fur everywhere and if you have one, your house stinks like it. I don't care how clean you think you are. They inevitably defecate everywhere eventually, thus causing an undeniable odor. Please see #1.
4. Must be financially secure - So either you are unemployed (poor) with no financial prospects and "think" you're pretty enough for a man to take "care" of you or you're a *****. So which is it? I am financially secure but if either of these apply to you, then you will never see it.
5. Must be college educated – Right, Because only people who went to college are worth talking to or are intelligent? Seriously, if you base you parameters of intelligence or financial success on those who graduated college then you’re an idiot.
6. Must have a career – A career, isn’t working at Mcdonald’s for life “a career.” How about saying “must have a job”, because that all you’re looking for, right? Boy, you really set you sights high. I guess that’s why you put in the comment in about the BO.
7. Must love kids – I do love kids. Just not yours. If you’re a mommy, then PLEASE do not call yourself “mommy” in your post. On second thought, you probably should not be looking for a date on craigslist.
8. Bored – So you’re bored? So what are you looking for, a date or a clown to amuse you? God, nothing turns me on like a bored woman. (that was sarcasm if #5 applies to you)
9. Looking to have fun – Really, you are? Not me. I want a woman who likes to be bored (see above for the joke). My idea of a good time is sitting at home looking at your cat!
10. Tired of the games – Why, were you the one playing them? Are you a drama queen? Probably.
11. Big curvy woman – Hey, I understand. Some guys even like that. But don’t act like you’re happy about it. Anyone whose overweight wishes they weren’t. Any guy (just about) doesn’t mind a few extra pounds. But we don’t want to date a girl who weighs more than we do and doesn’t care.
12. Must love to laugh – Damn, well I guess we’ll never be, because I love to be miserable. Nothing makes me madder than being happy…
So good luck and I hope your next date doesn’t smell.
* this is in or around Las Vegas, NV
* no -- it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
[QUOTE=Iloveanalsex]This is something I found on the Las Vegas Craig's List.
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Yes, pretty funny! Craigslist can provide real gems when it comes to expressing what a lot of guys feel and state on this forum. Here is another one from CL.
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Why Men Cheat
So I've had about all I can stand. How is it marriage allows you to take someone sexually hostage? Where the fuck do women get off dictating what is an appropriate amount of sex? You say you just have too much going on and it's not a priority but get your feelings hurt when you get cheated on, sorry not feeling the compassion like I should I guess.
Let me paint a picture. I mostly normal, professional, successful, kind, generous, blah blah blah. I am in my second marriage. The first was as much my fault as hers but one theme that held true was the drastic drop off in sex. What gives?
I have seen the scenario unfold many many times. You meet a guy and you fuck non stop for months. It tapers off but both are feeling pretty satisfied by the quality of sex and both agree that it will always be this way. In fact the guy is assuming this is a cornerstone of the relationship and takes this into consideration when he offers you a huge fucking ring you did nothing to deserve. Am I being to harsh? i don't think so, about 1% of the population of the world has a diamond ring of 1 karat or larger. What makes you so special?
Let me take a different tact, if it costs $8,000 for a ring for 1 or 2 years of pornstar sex so be it, just lay it out there, get it on the table that it's a negotiable contract that comes due every couple years. You agree to be the nasty fuck toy we fell in love with and we will buy you another ring or other appropriate trinket. that's fair isn't it?
But no... it doesn't work out like that. Half a dozen years into your marriage you just don't have time anymore. What used to be a fun quicky on the bathroom counter now is just a pain in the ass. Hmmm where did we go wrong, how did mankind get duped like this? How can we warn the young men who are about to make the fatal mistake of putting a ring on your spoiled finger.
Do I sound bitter? well I guess I do. Let me explain, I'm sure there's more than myself in this unfortunate spot.
My wife of 6 years has had sex with me 12 times this year. Three of the last four times she said "I'm just going to lay here, I don't want to do anything. Just hurry up and get it over with". The final insult came last week when she said I hate dragging it out, I just want to get my "O" and be done with it. (this takes 5 minutes tops)
I was empathetic for the first six years about how the anti depressants killed your sex drive, I did the research, I recommended the different types that weren't as libido killing as the SSRI's. Enough is enough though.
Let's do the math
5 minutes of sex 12 times a year is one hour of sex per year. ONE FUCKING HOUR...
It used to be one hour or longer each time we had sex when we were dating. WHAT GIVES?
Lets compare that to the 8760 hours in a year. Yes almost 9 thousand hours in a year and you can barely be bothered to fuck for one of them? You should be arrested, you should be fined, you should be publicly humiliated. Yes, I am being a baby. I totally understand that I am being a raving lunatic.
Why? Because I have tried divorce once. Never mind that it was financially devastating, life altering, and hell on earth for years. None of that compares to the fact that it forever ruined my relationship with my children, regardless of what you may console yourselves with divorce hurts everyone and no one is better for it unless you are in harms way by staying.
I am so sick of the spoiled, me me me attitude by today's american woman that I could just bite myself. During the dating phase you told us all your hopes and dreams which mostly consisted of a nice home, kids, a dog, family holidays, vacations, etc. We told you we liked all that but wanted a car or a motorcycle or a boat to go along with it.
Fast forward half a dozen years. You have all the things you wanted, nevermind the mortgage is oppressive, the activities for the kids cost hundreds of dollars a month, you ***** constantly about how you hate the house you absolutely HAD to have years ago. You have a medicine cabinet full of Paxil, Effexor, vicodin, sleep pills, awake pills, everthing but a fucking horny pill.
You ***** that all your friends have the things you want and you are miserable yet the kids are the best kids in the history of the world, everyone is healthy, you drive an SUV like your friends, you get Starbucks regularly.
WHAT IN YOUR LIFE IS SO HORRIBLE?
Your bored? you don't have your own life? You feel over worked. Don't get me wrong, raising children is the hardest job by far since it rarely affords a break but is it so bad? (Agreed that the kids are so spectacular because of your contstant attention, but if you ignore your marriage it will go the way of a forgotten child too)
You could have been born poor, you could have to work 50 hours a week and take care of the kids, and pay for the mortgage on your own but you don't. Instead you go to play group, you shop, you drive around looking at houses you dream of living in instead of the one you have.
I can see how you don't have any time for sex. I mean after all the guy who sacraficed his own hopes and dreams to finance yours probably isn't worthy of some respect, admiration, and god forbid occasional sex.
(disclaimer time... I know us guys are a pain in the ass to live with that goes without saying)
The moral of the story is that it's just as much your fault as mine that I have taken a lover, she is everything your not. She is carefree, she acts like a total **** because we have an understanding that I prize her above all things for just being her slutty self, not condemning her for it. She doesn't accusingly look at me like I duped her into buying that fucking leper of a house, doesn't tell me that I stole her life from her because she is raising children now.
It is a total vacation from everything you have become. The funny thing is I would totally be there with you hand in hand praising you instead of her if you would only treat me like a human again. If you would only show the slightest passion, if you would just quit trying to take any possible enjoyment out of life for me and everyone around you then maybe, just maybe we could have a good life.
And please, don't give me the line about the medication and the councilors anymore, it worked for the first six years but it doesn't fly anymore. You came from a good family, you weren't abused, you weren't neglected, you are attractive, funny, kind, sweet at times.
I've saved the best part for last.
I am angry at myself for letting life get here. I should not have loved you so much that I could never say no. I should have not married you so soon, I should have bought all the things I wanted before we married. Most of all I hate that I am saying these things to a million nobody's in Internet land instead of you. I would, really I would have but we all know what happens when you drink, and you drink a lot these days.
Most of all I can't believe I could be so stupid as to find myself here again. What did I cosmically do wrong? what did I do to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off God in a past life to deserve this?
I am so fucking pissed off at you for everything, why did you fucking have to fucking be this way? why couldn't you just fucking be sane, why? why, fucking, why? I just want to kick a chair or break a window or something.
WHY?
The "financially secure" item always offended me. Golddigger or ho? What's the difference?
Calling themselves "mommy" in the ad makes my skin crawl. But I guess some guys like calling a girl that in bed...ick...
Bored? I'm never bored. I think people who call themselves bored on a regular basis are themselves boring.
"Tired of games." That about says it all. She's the perpetrator of them, or actively seeks out gameplayers. She's protesting too much, and will indeed continue to play them.
I myself find a few extra pounds to be anacceptable. I'm healthy & in shape and she'd better be too.
But I do so love dogs though. Loyal, don't care how much $ I make or if I shaved today....
Here is a hilarious glossary of terms found in ads:
40-ish: 48
Adventurer: Has had more partners than you ever will
Athletic: Flat-chested
Average-looking: Ugly
Beautiful: Pathological liar
Contagious Smile: Bring your penicillin
Educated: College dropout
Emotionally secure: Medicated
Free spirit: Substance user
Friendship first: Trying to live down reputation as ****
Fun: Annoying
Gentle: Comatose
Good Listener: Borderline autistic
New-Age: All body hair, all the time
Old-fashioned: Lights out, missionary position only
Open-minded: Desperate
Outgoing: Loud
Passionate: Loud
Poet: Depressive schizophrenic
Redhead: Shops the Clairol section
Romantic: Looks better by candlelight
Wants Soul Mate: One step away from stalking
Womanly, Curvy, Voluptuous, Rubenesque, HWP, Medium build, Fluffy: Fat, fat, fat, fat, fat, & fat!
The speaker at the sex-life session asked "How many of you have sex 3 or more times a week?".
A quarter of the audience raised their hands.
"How many have sex once or twice a week?" - Another quarter raised their hands.
"How many have sex once or twice a month?" - Another quarter ..
"How about 2 or 3 times a year?" - the last quarter except me.
"Who has sex once a year?". I jumped up and down, excited as hell and shouted "me! me! me!!".
"Why are you so happy?", he asked.
"BECAUSE IT'S TONIGHT !!!"
Happily I got out of that relationship.
My sentiments precisely from my time in Japan. However, there was always one thing bothering me. How often were the other J-guys hooking up? You here reports about sexless couples etc. in Japan. Are the foreign guys just cleaning up in Japan or are J-guys too? I never found out because I didn't really know too many j-guys. Not with all the great j-girls around!Why is p4p so expensive in japan. With all the nice, non-prostitute chicks, I never understood that.
Here's a story about a local provider who has had hell visited upon her by an angry jealous wife. Unfortunately U.S. providers get angry calls from angry wives/girlfriends all the time.
Guys, after today, she may just be one of my ATFs. She is very sweet and passionate. We seem to click quite well. Our session was much like my first time with her so I won't repeat myself. Very nice. But then again, I'm a liberal, artsy guy, and she's a liberal, artsy chick - so there is a connection.
Re. her recent trouble - turns out a jealous wife had put a PI on her case to dig up some dirt. He was apparently successful! He found a 5 y/o old warrant from NY that stemmed from an ebay dispute (and she had blown off the court date - not good). The wife also provided info about her chosen line of work to her landlord and most of her social circle - and she was subsequently evicted and ostracized, before she was picked up on the warrant. She can't do evening work because she has to check in with her PO every night for a few more months, but other than that, she's in the clear.
Fortunately the drama is her own. I wouldn't have known any of it if I hadn't asked.
Why is p4p so expensive in japan. With all the nice, non-prostitute chicks, I never understood that.
I dunno, everything's expensive there: haircuts, hotel rooms, blowjobs, melons, etc. Guys are willing to pay it, meaning they must value it highly. Same reasons it's universal I guess. We pay them not to do it with us, but to go away quietly afterwards. For the experience, I did once get delivery to my hotel, but now I just meet them for free on personals sites. So easy.
I love it when jealous AW's take it out on the provider instead of the guy. As if it's her fault. Sounds like all the retards who appear on Jerry Springer.
Awesome, awesome blog about Russian women - written by an American guy who lives there...
http://russianwomen.wordpress.com/
And...Feminism's dirty little secret...
http://russianwomen.wordpress.com/2006/09/23/the-dirty-little-secret-behind-feminism/
An open letter to all feminists...
http://russianwomen.wordpress.com/2006/09/22/an-open-letter-to-feminist/
My sentiments precisely from my time in Japan. However, there was always one thing bothering me. How often were the other J-guys hooking up? You here reports about sexless couples etc. in Japan. Are the foreign guys just cleaning up in Japan or are J-guys too? I never found out because I didn't really know too many j-guys. Not with all the great j-girls around!Any takers for this question?
WN,
That article "An open Letter to Feminists" actually duplicated some of the points I'd made in a recent post last week.
In it, I stated that feminism would eventually die out because of the fact that the majority of feminists don't reproduce at a high enough rate to ensure their continued survival. George90 made the good point that they can continue by converting others to their way of seeing things. I personally don't think that this will be enough to keep feminism going as a movement.
They even described it in terms of being an infection, just like I did in the subsequent post. I swear this is a complete coincidence.... I never read that article until a few minutes ago.
It's really nice to see others are reaching similar conclusions! That's pretty good evidence that we are on the right track.
Rock
Awesome, awesome blog about Russian women - written by an American guy who lives there...
http://russianwomen.wordpress.com/
And...Feminism's dirty little secret...
http://russianwomen.wordpress.com/2006/09/23/the-dirty-little-secret-behind-feminism/
An open letter to all feminists...
http://russianwomen.wordpress.com/2006/09/22/an-open-letter-to-feminist/
Would his name be "wet nose" perhaps? hehe :P
However, the religious right is reproducing quite nicely. They wish to make the US into something akin to a Christian Taliban. Or Iran. Not a happy picture.
They were just disempowered.....or actually found out that they didn't have any actual in the first place, and to some degree assisted in the revolt against the GOP......One I was proud to be a very minor player in.
Dubya's new name is "Nancy Pelosi's beotch".
(sorry Jackson---belongs on the American Politics board....someone else brought it up here however)
B9k
If I hadn't seen it I probably wouldn't believe it was possible. You guys went from discussing the evils of feminism to cheering for Nancy Pelosi in 3 posts. Amazing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVNzjx8fFys&mode=related&search=
I wonder how she would do against Villa today. She should have smashed the flat screen on him. Ha ha ha.
CBGBConnisur
11-11-06, 13:34
Borat is modelled after a real person, a guy in Turkey by the name of Cagir, who talks just like him, and guess what? Despite being butt ugly and saying some pretty crazy shit, he is a chic magnet. I am definitely looking forward to moving to Eastern Europe and traveling around Russia and the former Soviet Republics.
If I hadn't seen it I probably wouldn't believe it was possible. You guys went from discussing the evils of feminism to cheering for Nancy Pelosi in 3 posts. Amazing.
Hey,
I call em like I see em. The world is a complicated place....and I'm sorry, but having anyone (even probably a femanist) in a position to shut down "King George" (who may in fact actually be having his foreign policy influenced by the book of Revelations, and was well on his way to getting the world blown up.), and eliminating whatever influence the Christian Taliban do have is a good thing. Any pro-feminist legislation which could be introduced or supporrted by her, is a small price to pay for beating back impending facism...which could eventually close US borders and keep us from going abroad. Can you spell "lesser of two evils".
For the record, I'm not a mysoginist (most on this board actually aren't), but a realist. A woman should be able to do whatever she wants, with no limitations............the bullshit arises however when our women believe that they should be able to have it without paying the same price to get it that men do. Want that VP job by 40? Don't take off 3 years to stay home playing with the kids and then complain about the glass ceiling. Conversely, do you want an easy comfortable life as an upper middle class suburban hausfrau? Then keep the house clean, wrangle the kids (and I'm sick of hearing shit about how they are a "full time job", from women who spend their days watching Oprah, getting their hair done, and drinking coffee at Starbucks), don't turn into a porcine, short haired sex depriving for all practical purposes lesbian.
You get the idea.
I happened to catch some daytime TV in the cardio room at the gym. I really think that a load of the crap I mentioned above comes from Madison Avenue, and the television shows that are generated to keep women watching the commercials. On some "judge" show, for example, the "judge" arbitrating over a divorced couple's dispute over her missing a mortgage payment (mortgage was in his name), resulted in 5 minutes of the judge browbeating the man about his lack of consideration for his hog of an ex wife, comparing his "little forty hour a week job" with "TWENTY FOUR HOUR A DAY CHILD CARE".....before awarding him the missing mortgage payment.
The ex wife then began breaking down whining about how tough her life was, and the judge comforted her, and sympathized with her....and awarded her from the show, 6 months of utility payments.........Anyone detect just a hair of bias and pandering here? One could easily see how watching 6-7 hours of this a day could result in the wife actually managing to whip herself into (deluded) self righteous fury.
B9k
You get the idea.
Yeah, I think I do. Feminists, and all women for that matter, are ok when they're doing what you agree with, and whining, complaining parasites when they're not.
I can relate to that. I just wouldn't base my politics on it, or shout it quite so proudly. It's extremely difficult for me to see anything positive in Ms. Pelosi becoming one of the most powerful people in the country. I call em like I see em too.
I do not know why you do not like Nancy Pelosi. She is the best thing that is happening for us since Bush screwed us with his lop sided crazy ideas.
Just because she is a woman she should not be discredited. What we need is a quick and rational thinking person to get us out of most of the problems we are facing.
It's definitely time to move this to the American Politics forum.
Here's what "quick and rational thinking" Ms. Pelosi spends her time on.
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Congressional Caucus for Women's Issues:
The information and policy analysis role of the Caucus is now carried out by a nonprofit organization, established for this purpose called Women's Policy, Inc.
The Caucus has continued to be an active bipartisan voice in the House. The Women's Caucus informs other Members and staff of important information and develops legislation relating to women's health, economic equity, education, domestic violence, child care, child support, sexual harassment and international women's issues.
In the 106th Congress, the Caucus introduced and supports a wide variety of bills designed to improve research and services for these women's issues.
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I think "economic equity" is my favorite. Where do you think the policies that make life miserable for American men come from?
She's just the person I want to see dealing with Jihadist terrorists.
It's definitely time to move this to the American Politics forum.
Here's what "quick and rational thinking" Ms. Pelosi spends her time on.
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Congressional Caucus for Women's Issues:
The information and policy analysis role of the Caucus is now carried out by a nonprofit organization, established for this purpose called Women's Policy, Inc.
The Caucus has continued to be an active bipartisan voice in the House. The Women's Caucus informs other Members and staff of important information and develops legislation relating to women's health, economic equity, education, domestic violence, child care, child support, sexual harassment and international women's issues.
In the 106th Congress, the Caucus introduced and supports a wide variety of bills designed to improve research and services for these women's issues.
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I think "economic equity" is my favorite. Where do you think the policies that make life miserable for American men come from?
She's just the person I want to see dealing with Jihadist terrorists.
Now do you REALLY want to tell me that you would prefer further heading down the road to theocratic fascism (and we WERE heading there), with people getting "black bagged", and detained without due process.....and even potentially having ourselves disallowed from leaving the country (think I'm crazy? The Russians probably would have thought it impossible too)......that you would prefer this scenario to....a few more ***** problems (how much worse could it get? And the right wing doesn't have any stake in pushing them back)....at least with our freedom as citizens remaining intact, we can LEAVE
And being in disagreement with someone DOES NOT make them unqualified to do a job. For example, I disagree politically with Bob Dole.......but that disagreement does not change the fact that he is well qualified to do probably most any job in politics, up to and including President.
B9k
I sure hope you're not trying to compare the current conditions in the US with that of Russia just before WWI, or just after their defeat. Instead of trying to talk you down from your paranoia, I think the burden belongs with you.
You brought up qualifications. Just exactly what credentials does Ms. Pelosi, or any of the rest of her buddies, have to establish their ability to deal with that complicated world you were talking about? We've just had a pretty good example of how their last guy, Kerry, handles himself. We'd be better off with Jay Leno. As far as I can tell, the only thing any of them are any good at is blaming Dubya for anything and everything that goes wrong, including your bus being late.
btw - I didn't vote for either of them the last time.
China Lily
11-12-06, 13:13
I think it is the right for a girl to look good and do what she wants with her body. If I make good money I can spend it on men, if I want to.
I think the kind of women you talk about here are not feminists. They want to be men, so I call them menists.
So I'm paranoid?
In the last 5 years, the bush administration has:
Obtained the ability to spy on US citizens on US soil.
Obtained the ability to detain as I understand it, anyone classified at the discretion of the bush administration as a "bad person" (I may be overly broad in this characterization, but the spirit remains), and subject them to indefinite detention without benefit of judicial review.
Maintained a policy of labeling anyone who disagrees with their policies as "treasonous" and "a traitor", "emboldening the enemy"....etc.
Shown no indication of slowing or curtailing the continued acquisition of executive power under the auspices of the "war on terror".
Now you may disagree with this, but I don't see where it takes much of a stretch to see where this path is leading........towards "dissidents" (and actually maybe even nonconformists to theocratic hegemony) getting their doors kicked in and disappearing into the night.
Now a lot of people would not want to live in a country like this....hence the result of closed borders to prevent a mass exodus.
Also, why do you assume that Nancy Pelosi is incompetent? Because she is female. I hope not....that would pretty much qualify you towards the mysoginy that the AW board occassionally gets accused of. Otherwise, it would be because her political beliefs (including feminism, which I also disagree with) do not agree with yours. As I stated (using Bob Dole as an example), one does not need to be in political agreement with another to be a competent leader.
Now correct me if I am wrong, but I am of the understand it, the "Speaker" position is one that is elected, by other party members. The ability to get elected politically ot an office, is usually (exceptions exist, such as having your father's supreme court put you into the office, or deceptively utilize a historically unprescedented level of fear mongering to manipulate the public) pretty good tool for determining competence. In order to obtain the Speakership, Representative Pelosi had to convince a majority of a group of people who range from extremely liberal urban black women to "good ol boy" redneck southerners who are pretty much republicans, that she was most qualified to lead the party.
Doesn't that sound a lot the skill set that one would need to say help mediate a peace process between two middle eastern warring factions (pick your poision-Kurds, Shiites, Sunni's Palestinians......) engaged in a dispute?
B9k
Doctor_Skank
11-13-06, 08:17
I was lying in bed with a Russian girlfriend a couple weeks back and we started to talk about women in general. She asked me to describe Russian women, and the first word that came to mind was "feminine". When she heard this her face got all crossed up and she looked at me in a confused, somewhat hurt manner.
I continued and eventually she stopped me abruptly, insisting that Russian girls aren't feminine and being genuinely angry and upset. After about 2 minutes of arguing we realized that we were talking about 2 different things. She had mixed "feminine" with "femininst" up.
It seems that calling a Russian girl a "feminist" is one of the worst insults you can make... whereas being "feminine" is one of the things they take most pride in.
We laughed at our little faux pas and then I fucked her in the ass.
American girls? What's that?
Yea, I've had that happen. A little Ukrainian girl I was with was blowing my cheeks up like a balloon, and I told her that she was "silly". She suddenly got this terrible look on her face. I asked "what's wrong?". She said "You called me a fool!!!!". I rapidly backpedaled , explaining that the way the word is actually used in English (she may actually have technically been correct) is to mean "playful and childlike"....she settled back down fortunately......
That is going to happen sometimes. It's all just part of the fun.
B9k
PS China Lilly. A definition of femanism is the attempt to obtain more and more rights, protections, and privleges for women through new laws and cultural changes. Most of the people on this board, including myself believe that they NOW (In the United States) have too many rights and privleges. A woman can (speaking generally), often get a man fired from his job because she claims that he sexually harrassed her (and it is sometimes hard to prove that you DIDN'T), a woman can divorce a man at any time, for any reason, and in doing so, she often ruins him financially. There are many other issues also. For example even if a woman wants to be a wife and mother and be supported financially by her husband, she often demands many expensive material things, and will sometimes not live up to the traditional role of wife and mother.
This is strange: I put a pic and a profile up on Hot ot Not. So far out of 500 people, I am rated an 8.5.
Now the strange part is Hot or Not has a meet me feature, where you can let a person know you are interested in meeeting them. So far I have 92 matches. However, about 60 or so of those matches are from really gorgeous girls overseas.
Hmm.
So on a lark, I spent about 30 mins just randomly clicking women who where in my area, about 100 in total. Not one single hit. Nada.Zilch. Even the big ones do not respond.
Hmm.
When does my passport arrive again?
Naked Gunz
11-13-06, 23:53
PS China Lilly. A definition of femanism is the attempt to obtain more and more rights, protections, and privleges for women through new laws and cultural changes. Most of the people on this board, including myself believe that they NOW (In the United States) have too many rights and privleges. A woman can (speaking generally), often get a man fired from his job because she claims that he sexually harrassed her (and it is sometimes hard to prove that you DIDN'T), a woman can divorce a man at any time, for any reason, and in doing so, she often ruins him financially. There are many other issues also. For example even if a woman wants to be a wife and mother and be supported financially by her husband, she often demands many expensive material things, and will sometimes not live up to the traditional role of wife and mother.
Wow. My relationship with practically every American woman in my life in one paragraph...
Think I'll carry this in my wallet.
CBGBConnisur
11-14-06, 11:29
The motivations of "modern" Asian women, the ones that go out with Westerners are often not much different than your typical AW. In fact, some of the most cunning golddiggers I have met are Asian(Chinese, Indian, Korean, etc.) females. Once the wallet goes dry you can expect a bye. The real issue is to keep whoever it is in her own country and live there not bring her back where she will start to play the field in an "empowering" environment.
American women dont know how to act feminine PERIOD. They have lost what generations of women have fostered. From the start ( the initial period of expressing interest in a man), American women dont know how to act.
It is proper for a woman to show submissiveness from the start in order to attract a man. The art of acting "coy" and "demure" is something American women wouldnt do even if they knew how. When a woman flirts with a man in order to persuade him to approach, she shouldnt just eye fuck him or lust over him in the way a man would. A woman should show her submissiveness. She should make eye contact, then smile and cast her eyes downward. That is the submissive way women have flirted with me in other cultures.
In America, women simply look at you and/or smile. Now the problem with this is that these arent real signals, and it really allows them a real "out"* because essentially they can just say they werent interested and it was the way you (as the man) interpreted the signals she gave you.
*By an "out" here, I mean, for example, teasing men with their sexuality, with the intentions of rejecting those men from the start. I consider this to be especially cruel behavior.
Now if American women refuse to send true signs of interest (buying signals as in acting coy as I stated above), but instead send signals they KNOW are misleading, then how is that acting like a person who is willing to "play fair" or behave a way a person should in an ethical relationship based upon being selfless?
It is that they want to be able to do anything they choose, without consequences, and men should just suck it up and deal with it. You arent a real man if you complain about any of this. You are just supposed to keep at it. What AW dont realize is that most of the men who keep at it realize that there's no pleasing American women, and thus....turn into azzhules (PUAs without former training) or PUAs.
Now take this lack of femininity and extend it into the entire relationship of one-sided behavior, double standards, unrealistic expectations, selfishness, shaming tactics, feminist beliefs, combativeness, etc etc.
The motivations of "modern" Asian women, the ones that go out with Westerners are often not much different than your typical AW. In fact, some of the most cunning golddiggers I have met are Asian(Chinese, Indian, Korean, etc.) females. Once the wallet goes dry you can expect a bye. The real issue is to keep whoever it is in her own country and live there not bring her back where she will start to play the field in an "empowering" environment.In Thailand your the King. Take her home and she becomes the Queen and you become her servant. Don't do it, it will not last. The first thing she does is becoming pregnant. Then she's got you by the balls. You will have to support a hell of a big family in Thailand. If you still have some hair left, you pull it out.
Women are basically the same no matter where you go. It's all about negotiation.... they want to get the best deal for themselves that they can. There's nothing wrong with that, it's part of human nature.
The difference is in how the negotiating works. In many overseas countries, a man with a decent job is considered to be quite a catch.... age and looks are usually a secondary consideration. These "other" women negotiate by acting feminine, friendly, even sexy. They WANT to act nice towards you because they want you to be interested in them.
The problem with the women here, is that they take it for granted that YOU want THEM. Most of them figure every other available guy is hot for them as well. Not only that, but thanks to a high standard of living, a guy with a decent job isn't considered to be any big deal. The man usually needs to have a good job just to be considered. Looks and age now become the characteristics that women use when choosing a man. They don't act feminine because there's no NEED for them to do so. There's no negotiation because, as far as they're concerned, we men have nothing to negotiate WITH. That's the key to understanding why women from other countries have such a better attitude.
Wait until the economy goes south someday. If things got bad enough, I'm willing to bet that AWs would quickly rediscover their so-called charm. Until then, huge numbers of desperate guys chasing after tiny numbers of women who are genuinely attractive, will ensure that the crappy AW attitudes will continue.
Rock
Hey Rock you are so correct about your comments about AW and women in general. Thanks for the info.
Women are basically the same no matter where you go. It's all about negotiation.... they want to get the best deal for themselves that they can. There's nothing wrong with that, it's part of human nature.
The difference is in how the negotiating works. In many overseas countries, a man with a decent job is considered to be quite a catch.... age and looks are usually a secondary consideration. These "other" women negotiate by acting feminine, friendly, even sexy. They WANT to act nice towards you because they want you to be interested in them.
The problem with the women here, is that they take it for granted that YOU want THEM. Most of them figure every other available guy is hot for them as well. Not only that, but thanks to a high standard of living, a guy with a decent job isn't considered to be any big deal. The man usually needs to have a good job just to be considered. Looks and age now become the characteristics that women use when choosing a man. They don't act feminine because there's no NEED for them to do so. There's no negotiation because, as far as they're concerned, we men have nothing to negotiate WITH. That's the key to understanding why women from other countries have such a better attitude.
Wait until the economy goes south someday. If things got bad enough, I'm willing to bet that AWs would quickly rediscover their so-called charm. Until then, huge numbers of desperate guys chasing after tiny numbers of women who are genuinely attractive, will ensure that the crappy AW attitudes will continue.
Rock
Hardbag ran out of ammo (didn't take too long-not much there) in the fight that he picked with me so now (on the AP board) he is refusing to answer my last post on the grounds that he doesn't like the lack of formatting.....and in the process is starting to do all kinds of comical evasion tactics like rationalize, bluster, grandstand..........
B9k
ILoveAnalSex
11-16-06, 08:34
Hey fellas: This guy was at it again on the Las Vegas Craig's List & since you all seemed to enjoy it the first time, I deceided to go to the well again.
I wish I knew who he is. I'd invite him to this forum. Enjoy!
-ILAS
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Date: 2006-11-15, 6:44PM PST
Hey ladies, I thought I give you some advise on things I hate to see posted in your postings. But, then again, I'm a guy. 1.Must be disease free.
Why, what have you already caught? I guess that rules out all the syphilitic men on line looking for love.
2.I’m looking for a man with all his teeth.
Why were your last 3 boyfriends from Deliverance (See Ned Beatty for the joke)? Hey, you just said I had to have them, do you care if they resemble the leaves in the fall in color?
3.I hate fat men.
Sweetie, Baby-Cakes, do you have a mirror? You might want to move out of that glass house before throwing stones…
4.Cannot be hairy?
Are you looking for a twelve year old or an Olympic swimmer? Guess what men have hair, as they get older they get more hair. We get hair in place hair should never grow, but guess what its there. Some of us shave or wax it, but it comes back, just like your last boyfriend’s “cold sore.”
5.No drugs or excessive drinkers.
I thought junkies and winos were so attractive. Damn, I guess I’ll have to put away the meth kit and hide the mad dog 20/20 before I call you.
6.Professional men only.
Are carpenters and plumbers beneath you? I am a professional guy, but I know a few carpenters and plumbers who are better men than me.
7.Must be tall.
Hey, you girls realize the average height in America is 5’8” for a man, right? So, 5’9-5’10 would be tall? Not in your world apparently. Is it some kind of weird fetish that every girl (no matter how short) wants to date a guy 9’11”? Hope Bigfoot emails you soon…
8.Prefer clean shaven well dressed men.
Well, I guess that rules out Tony “the homeless guy.” How about to narrow it down further you put in “must wear pants often” or must be literate?
9.Won’t take a back seat to another woman anymore.
Why don’t you just go ahead and air all your emotional “baggage” for us? Although, thanks for the tip. This lets us guys know that you’re probably more cracked than a bag of walnuts…keep it moving.
10.Must be intelligent and funny
Ok, everyone THINKS they are intelligent and funny. Most people are NOT, but they THINK they are. Putting this in you post is like posting, "Must have a face, arms and legs". It really will not narrow your selection any.
But seriously I am smart, intelligent and funny, aren't I???
* This is in or around Green Valley
* It's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
ILoveAnalSex
11-16-06, 08:41
We laughed at our little faux pas and then I fucked her in the ass.
I just got one hell of a visual. I don't know why, but that is the funniest shit I've read in some time. I can't stop laughing. You guys are great.
-ILAS
Couple sleeps together under a freeway in USA.
Women are basically the same no matter where you go. It's all about negotiation.... they want to get the best deal for themselves that they can. There's nothing wrong with that, it's part of human nature.
The difference is in how the negotiating works. In many overseas countries, a man with a decent job is considered to be quite a catch.... age and looks are usually a secondary consideration. These "other" women negotiate by acting feminine, friendly, even sexy. They WANT to act nice towards you because they want you to be interested in them.
The problem with the women here, is that they take it for granted that YOU want THEM. Most of them figure every other available guy is hot for them as well. Not only that, but thanks to a high standard of living, a guy with a decent job isn't considered to be any big deal. The man usually needs to have a good job just to be considered. Looks and age now become the characteristics that women use when choosing a man. They don't act feminine because there's no NEED for them to do so. There's no negotiation because, as far as they're concerned, we men have nothing to negotiate WITH. That's the key to understanding why women from other countries have such a better attitude.
Wait until the economy goes south someday. If things got bad enough, I'm willing to bet that AWs would quickly rediscover their so-called charm. Until then, huge numbers of desperate guys chasing after tiny numbers of women who are genuinely attractive, will ensure that the crappy AW attitudes will continue.
RockI agree with you somewhat, especially for older men. but there are a lot of wealthy countries, western europe, japan, singapore where the women are feminine, reasonable etc. All the poor countries have women like you described, but this could also be because they don't have as much cash to consume hollywood, have their culture intact. Especially in light of my second sentence.
Couple sleeps together under a freeway in USA.Is this charged by the night or by the hour?
Someone told me the ratio is 4:1 in favor of single men. If that's true, are women in New York different to other cities?
CBGBConnisur
11-19-06, 10:41
New York has the most competitive dating scene in the United States, pretty much the world. You need to be on top of your game in every way to score in New York. Thinking about it, compared to NY, the women in my part of the world are not so bad, but they are very prone to Americuntitis because of globalization and anglophone countries are more susceptible to infection. Try Montreal, Canada, not perfect but its a big improvement over anything in the USA.
I agree with you somewhat, especially for older men. but there are a lot of wealthy countries, western europe, japan, singapore where the women are feminine, reasonable etc. All the poor countries have women like you described, but this could also be because they don't have as much cash to consume hollywood, have their culture intact. Especially in light of my second sentence.
I entirely disagree. It is nothing but making excuses for women based on their biology. Infact, if all this is true, it makes a good case for actually sending women back to the kitchen, because if they are only going to take education prospects and job opportunities away from men while still demanding men expend all of their resources on them, then what in the world is the purpose of having women work besides giving them the ability to say they did so?
Anyone who espouses the idea that women are excused for doing this has not read the books "Sexploytation" or "The Rantings of the Single Male." In reality it is not simply because women CAN get away with such things. It is because OUR ANGLO culture has trained them in how to do these things. No matter what anyone says, continental European women arent one half as bad as their American counterparts. It is because they werent taught the Victorian + Puritanical value system.
Germans dont go on "dates" to my knowledge and experience. That comes AFTER the relationship has begun (for example). In America, the date is an interview process where you prove how valuable you think the woman is by how much money you spend on her.
And this whole women are programmed to go for the most superior, i.e. richest bad boy in the pack, is a bunch of nonsense. Why? Because there are many species where the non-alpha males do infact reproduce. Our closest living relatives chimpanzees are one of them. The females routinely engage in sex involving multiple males of varying status.
Plus the advent of civilization pretty much means there is less need for the big bad male. Thats what guns, police, money, heating, oil, housing, etc take care of for us. Saying that women are just dumb instinctual animals programmed to go for the best of the best only gives them an excuse for being greedy bitches.
If women were just primitive, reptilian brains sitting inside a human body, then I'd agree with that assessment. But they're not. That's the reason why we gave them "equal rights" to begin with. Now if women are simply primitives, then we need to rescind all of those rights, because they arent entitled to any as primitive thinkers.
CBGBConnisur
11-21-06, 10:07
Women in Anglo cultures in one word, SUCK. I would agree with the notion that women from Continental European countries are considerably better than those in the US, UK, Canada, and Australia. The US is the worst of this bunch. I thought German women were relatively easy to make a connection with compared to most American and Australian women. With American/Oz women you need to show your worth, in Australia the bar of worth is lower than in the US, but basically you need to show that you have something to offer. My experiences with German women tended to be far more pleasant than anything with American or Australian females. It was easier to hook up with Australian women than with American women, but they approach their men with the same logic as your typical American female.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Australia sucks now...... we get it.
And in a couple of years, East European girls will probably suck too.
Rock
Happy Chappy
11-22-06, 10:06
Women in Anglo cultures in one word, SUCK. I would agree with the notion that women from Continental European countries are considerably better than those in the US, UK, Canada, and Australia. The US is the worst of this bunch. I thought German women were relatively easy to make a connection with compared to most American and Australian women. With American/Oz women you need to show your worth, in Australia the bar of worth is lower than in the US, but basically you need to show that you have something to offer. My experiences with German women tended to be far more pleasant than anything with American or Australian females. It was easier to hook up with Australian women than with American women, but they approach their men with the same logic as your typical American female.
Living in Australia and reading this forum I have always thought all the complaints that are made about American women seem to exactly sum up how I find Australian women. It confused the hell out of me when CBGB used to insist Aussie women were so much better, his posts now seem to make a little more sense to me.
NicFrenchy
11-22-06, 11:07
New York has the most competitive dating scene in the United States, pretty much the world. You need to be on top of your game in every way to score in New York. I think that's Pathetic! American women are completely worthless creatures. Materialistic and heartless.
Why would someone marry these women is beyond me. Just give her 50% of your money now. At least you can save yourself a few years of trouble.
Living in Australia and reading this forum I have always thought all the complaints that are made about American women seem to exactly sum up how I find Australian women. It confused the hell out of me when CBGB used to insist Aussie women were so much better, his posts now seem to make a little more sense to me.
On the 10th and 11th page back, this forum, there is a reconcilliation about his inconsistency. You will notice that the regular posters pretty much ignore him.
B9k
Bango Cheito
11-23-06, 06:43
you can get laid easily here if you want to score with some welfare mom in the South Bronx. It's not something I'm particularly interested in based on current circumstances, but it's a LOT easier to do than some might think. Some of them look pretty good too.
It used to be SUPER easy for me to pick up girls in the Spanish clubs here, back when they were halfway worth going to about 9-10 years ago and before. I don't know how much of this counts as "American Women" though.
In today's NYC with most of the nightclubs shut down, police everywhere, hardly even any straight-up prostitution going down, even indoors, I think it's just a great bet to get on that plane and hit Latin America or Eastern Europe or wherever it looks good from reading this board.
Why would someone marry these [American] women is beyond me. Just give her 50% of your money now. At least you can save yourself a few years of trouble.
Several reasons why, Snooky.
1) AMs have been so beaten down by political correctness towards, NOW, and the sex prison that the US has become, that they (we) have lost our self-esteem, self-confidence, and self-worth. The average man feels he has to choose between being a doormat and being a monk.
2) Most AMs are ignorant about foreign women and some have racist views of foreign women. The whole debate about undocumented workers and the illegals coming over the border with Mexico, and the desire to build a wall is part of it. Most AMs don't bother to learn about Latin culture or get to know some Latinos, especially the women, so they don't realize how much more desirable a wife a Latina can make over an American woman.
3) Most AMs also don't know about the favorable exchange rates that most Latn countries offer, making it very economical to visit or even live in a Latin country. The few who do are getting out of the US. I met a guy, who worked as a computer engineer, and travelled to various Latin American countries networking for his firm with local programmers. He knew what the deal was and bought a modest house in one country for $35,000 USD. That same house would cost over $150,000 USD here in the US.
4) The media glorify the rich AMs (The Bachelor, Who Wants to Marry a Millionaire, The Donald, etc). Unfortunately, as many men as women get caught up in that fantasy. They think that they too can get the gorgeous woman who loves him if he can just make enough money. He doesn't realize that no amount of money is ever enough for goldiggers. There is always another man who is richer, younger, better looking than him.
5) I think many AMs have lost a lot of maculinity. Studies have already shown that we men are producing less testosterone that men did in previous generations. The men who are considered maculine now are thugs, gangsters, and athletes. Many foreign women do not view masculinity that way. I my experience, masculinity is viewed as confidence, decisiveness, and the ability to manage your life and your family by most foreign women. Since family is more important to foreign women than to American women, those traits are valued by them. To the extent that American men are losing thosse traits, they becomes less attractive to foreign women. That would discourage some men from continuing to pursue them and be resigned to American women.
So true. AM are becoming neutered. I cited awhile back the testosterone report. Soon all Americans, men & women, will look like 55-year-old lesbians.
I agree about all the racism, ignorance, and xenophobia in the US toward other peoples, especially in this post-9/11 America. It's such a sad lost opportunity, because it wasn't that long ago when, in most states, sex with another race was illegal. Supreme Court struck down those laws in 1968, so it hasn't been that long we've had so many choices. Now our own fear & hatred is closing those doors again to unlimited prospects. Depressing.
I too get a pissy reaction from both men & women when they find that I go to Asia to meet women. Now I keep it to myself. Hard to do these days, as my GF is Japanese. So many misconceptions about Asian women, BS such as they are "submissive", whatever that means.
CBGBConnisur
11-23-06, 23:01
"Other peoples" in the USA?? I have been around the entire planet, I am in one where the locals think Americans are racist, but in reality there have been two massive race riots in the city where I reside, Sydney. Even an African American actor said he felt a "vibe" when he was working here filming the Matrix. If anything the USA is more mixed than any society in history, Spanish might even overtake English as the most widely spoken language in the States over the next 30 to 40 years. Beyond the point, AWs regardless of their ethnic origin are all the same. That girl on the Nick Lachey video who is Filipina looks like a ****.
Go to some place in Russia or Central Asia(like Kazakhstan), and things are real different. Men are in much higher regard than women. There are some rich countries in the "West" like this, Spain is one, and so is Italy.
Sinanju Master
11-23-06, 23:09
I too get a pissy reaction from both men & women when they find that I go to Asia to meet women. Now I keep it to myself.
I hear ya, dude! A coworker of mine (a GUY no less!) is always busting my balls about my past (and upcoming) trips to the Philippines. The fact that I was nailing young honeys must have burned him up, especially since he's married with rugrats and fucks around on his wife. I was thinking: S'matter, dude? Your wife ain't good looking enuf and now you wanna bust MY balls since the honeys I'm nailing make your wife look like a bullet-ridden crack WH0RE"? I caught the dumbass trying to score with the female guest of another coworker at a party a few months ago RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIS WIFE! I'm LOVIN' LIFE! LOL
I entirely disagree. It is nothing but making excuses for women based on their biology. Infact, if all this is true, it makes a good case for actually sending women back to the kitchen, because if they are only going to take education prospects and job opportunities away from men while still demanding men expend all of their resources on them, then what in the world is the purpose of having women work besides giving them the ability to say they did so?
Anyone who espouses the idea that women are excused for doing this has not read the books "Sexploytation" or "The Rantings of the Single Male." In reality it is not simply because women CAN get away with such things. It is because OUR ANGLO culture has trained them in how to do these things. No matter what anyone says, continental European women arent one half as bad as their American counterparts. It is because they werent taught the Victorian + Puritanical value system.
Germans dont go on "dates" to my knowledge and experience. That comes AFTER the relationship has begun (for example). In America, the date is an interview process where you prove how valuable you think the woman is by how much money you spend on her.
And this whole women are programmed to go for the most superior, i.e. richest bad boy in the pack, is a bunch of nonsense. Why? Because there are many species where the non-alpha males do infact reproduce. Our closest living relatives chimpanzees are one of them. The females routinely engage in sex involving multiple males of varying status.
Plus the advent of civilization pretty much means there is less need for the big bad male. Thats what guns, police, money, heating, oil, housing, etc take care of for us. Saying that women are just dumb instinctual animals programmed to go for the best of the best only gives them an excuse for being greedy bitches.
If women were just primitive, reptilian brains sitting inside a human body, then I'd agree with that assessment. But they're not. That's the reason why we gave them "equal rights" to begin with. Now if women are simply primitives, then we need to rescind all of those rights, because they arent entitled to any as primitive thinkers.Tyhigs,
I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't saying that women were primitive, just saying that I didn't think your emphasis on economics (job entry for women) was as big a factor as you said. I have heard that Europe, even W. Europe is a great improvment over the states. My comment was on the cultural/media factor being predominate. My evidence was the fact that women in Europe, Japan are still great and have economic opportunity women might not have in the third world.
Chocha Monger
11-24-06, 05:10
Everytime I think that I've seen and heard it all with AW they always have another surprise for me. My last surprise came recently when a female on the job offered her services for a grand. I laughed in her face once I got over the initial shock. It seems that some are actually bold enough to name their price instead of siphoning off cash through dinners, birthdays, holidays and other "special events".
The truth is AW are only after one thing. Cash. Their means and methods may vary but the end result is always the same. The only way to avoid these vultures is to travel. Forget about bringing women from elsewhere into this perpetually cash hungry and materialistic society. The first thing that comes out of an AW's mouth when she hears that a man has a foreign woman is, "Bring her to meet me so I can show her how it's done here!"
Once you objectively sum up the options available to the American male a life of semi-celibacy seems quite attractive professionally, socially and economically. As I write this, one of my employees is headed to jail for falling behind on child support for one of the two kids he currently supports.
Everytime I think that I've seen and heard it all with AW they always have another surprise for me. My last surprise came recently when a female on the job offered her services for a grand. I laughed in her face once I got over the initial shock. It seems that some are actually bold enough to name their price instead of siphoning off cash through dinners, birthdays, holidays and other "special events".
The truth is AW are only after one thing. Cash. Their means and methods may vary but the end result is always the same. The only way to avoid these vultures is to travel. Forget about bringing women from elsewhere into this perpetually cash hungry and materialistic society. The first thing that comes out of an AW's mouth when she hears that a man has a foreign woman is, "Bring her to meet me so I can show her how it's done here!"
Once you objectively sum up the options available to the American male a life of semi-celibacy seems quite attractive professionally, socially and economically. As I write this, one of my employees is headed to jail for falling behind on child support for one of the two kids he currently supports.
Your experience may have been a set-up to entrap you. If you had agreed I am sure you would have been not only fired but also arrested for solicitation. Your standards, but not your judgement, helped you escape this attempt. Expect more. I am convinced that you have enemies in your place of employment who are out to get you. You have been vocal in your disdain for AWs and they want their revenge! Be very careful!!
We should all take this a lesson to be discreet with our conviction that only foreign women are desirable enough for us. Do not advertise or brag that you don't date American women.
The only way to avoid these vultures is to travel. Forget about bringing women from elsewhere into this perpetually cash hungry and materialistic society. The first thing that comes out of an AW's mouth when she hears that a man has a foreign woman is, "Bring her to meet me so I can show her how it's done here!"
Right On!!!! Let's have more posts about how to meet decent foreign women. I have used dating agencies with mixed results. It depends on the agency. In general, I feel any means to meet foreign women is much better than meeting American women.
Some Latina oriented agencies I have used or other men I know have used are My Latin Flame, My Latin Rose, Latin Euro, Latin Social Network. Check them out.
Also check out other forums for men looking for foreign women to date, not for P4P sex. Some are Planet-Love, Gringo Talk, and World Love College.
CBGBConnisur
11-25-06, 10:47
Travel is the best way to maximize your opportunity, if dating sucks in the US, Uk, Oz, Canada, etc. try other parts of the world.
Travel is the best way to maximize your opportunity, if dating sucks in the US, Uk, Oz, Canada, etc. try other parts of the world.
Right on brother, I plan on fu*king my way around the planet until I'm in my 90's.
I entirely disagree. It is nothing but making excuses for women based on their biology. Infact, if all this is true, it makes a good case for actually sending women back to the kitchen, because if they are only going to take education prospects and job opportunities away from men while still demanding men expend all of their resources on them, then what in the world is the purpose of having women work besides giving them the ability to say they did so?
Anyone who espouses the idea that women are excused for doing this has not read the books "Sexploytation" or "The Rantings of the Single Male." In reality it is not simply because women CAN get away with such things. It is because OUR ANGLO culture has trained them in how to do these things. No matter what anyone says, continental European women arent one half as bad as their American counterparts. It is because they werent taught the Victorian + Puritanical value system.
Germans dont go on "dates" to my knowledge and experience. That comes AFTER the relationship has begun (for example). In America, the date is an interview process where you prove how valuable you think the woman is by how much money you spend on her.
And this whole women are programmed to go for the most superior, i.e. richest bad boy in the pack, is a bunch of nonsense. Why? Because there are many species where the non-alpha males do infact reproduce. Our closest living relatives chimpanzees are one of them. The females routinely engage in sex involving multiple males of varying status.
Plus the advent of civilization pretty much means there is less need for the big bad male. Thats what guns, police, money, heating, oil, housing, etc take care of for us. Saying that women are just dumb instinctual animals programmed to go for the best of the best only gives them an excuse for being greedy bitches.
If women were just primitive, reptilian brains sitting inside a human body, then I'd agree with that assessment. But they're not. That's the reason why we gave them "equal rights" to begin with. Now if women are simply primitives, then we need to rescind all of those rights, because they arent entitled to any as primitive thinkers.
Can we nominate this "best of"?
Chocha Monger
11-26-06, 02:21
Your experience may have been a set-up to entrap you. If you had agreed I am sure you would have been not only fired but also arrested for solicitation. Your standards, but not your judgement, helped you escape this attempt. Expect more. I am convinced that you have enemies in your place of employment who are out to get you. You have been vocal in your disdain for AWs and they want their revenge! Be very careful!!
We should all take this a lesson to be discreet with our conviction that only foreign women are desirable enough for us. Do not advertise or brag that you don't date American women.
Actually, I've never voiced my disdain for American women on the job, believe me, I know better than to play with fire after being doused with gasoline. I make it a point to avoid discussing my personal life on any level at work to the point that my boss received complaints that I was being "cold and unfriendly". I told him that I felt questions regarding my marital status or dating circumstances from female workers were out of line. Anyway, he felt that they were just being "friendly" and pretty much ordered me to be more approachable to the females. Now, I seriously doubt a female in a similar situation would have been given those instructions.
Enemies. Every job has them but I think it's more along the lines of the women wanting piece of a single well paid guy's wallet more than anything else. Most of them are single mothers or just plain gold diggers out to get some easy money. There is really no big conspiracy there. The holidays are here and they need to shop and over extend their already heavily stressed credit. Obviously, they know getting some poor sucker into their web at this time of the year can prove quite lucrative.
I've had women that I have absolutely no involvement with beyond a professional basis volunteer that it was their birthday and then in the next breath inquire as to the whereabouts of the present that I am supposed to have for them.
Actually, I've never voiced my disdain for American women on the job, believe me, I know better than to play with fire after being doused with gasoline. I make it a point to avoid discussing my personal life on any level at work to the point that my boss received complaints that I was being "cold and unfriendly". I told him that I felt questions regarding my marital status or dating circumstances from female workers were out of line. Anyway, he felt that they were just being "friendly" and pretty much ordered me to be more approachable to the females. Now, I seriously doubt a female in a similar situation would have been given those instructions.
Enemies. Every job has them but I think it's more along the lines of the women wanting piece of a single well paid guy's wallet more than anything else. Most of them are single mothers or just plain gold diggers out to get some easy money. There is really no big conspiracy there. The holidays are here and they need to shop and over extend their already heavily stressed credit. Obviously, they know getting some poor sucker into their web at this time of the year can prove quite lucrative.
I've had women that I have absolutely no involvement with beyond a professional basis volunteer that it was their birthday and then in the next breath inquire as to the whereabouts of the present that I am supposed to have for them.
Wow! I feel for you. Being ordered to "be friendly" to co-workers who are angling for gifts and money is rough. You should keep a written record of those types of orders/instructions. A good lawyer can twist it into a harassment lawsuit for you.
I think you a playing with fire by staying in that job with those co-workers and that boss. Can't you get a similar one in a more accomodating or at least more professional environment?
Chocha Monger
11-29-06, 01:31
George,
I have a contingency plan in place in the event that it becomes necessary to abandon ship. However, I've already worked out an arrangement with the boss which will allow me to travel on a fairly regular basis. Most jobs only allow 2 weeks vacation each year so jumping to one of those isn't very appealing. In the meanwhile, I just decline any female propositions on the job with a smile and some excuse about already being committed.
Bango Cheito
11-30-06, 08:32
If you really want to enjoy a foreign country
1) LEARN THE LANGUAGE
2) GO THERE
3) LEARN THE LANGUAGE SOME MORE.
Regardless if you wanna just pay for it or if you want to find a good girl or a one-night stand or a fuckbuddy or whatever, LEARN THE GODDAMN LANGUAGE. If you don't you are a fool. It is that simple.
Viva Chicas
11-30-06, 08:48
Bango Cheito,
You are 100% correct!
I am taking Spanish classes every semester at my local college.
At work I am practicing with my Spanish speaking co-workers.
When I take trips down South, I try to talk with everyone I can from taxi drivers to people on the street.
They all are very supportive even when I mess the language up.
In a few years I will be living in Panama full time. I have already visted several Spanish schools in Panama City to see which one I like best.
Only a fool wouldn't try to learn as much as they could of the language where they plan to live.
Anyway, Spanish is fun to learn and speak. I'm not very happy with the situation with those verb's though!
CBGBConnisur
12-03-06, 11:42
The only solution is to get out the US if things aren't working out for you. We are living in an era of globalization so it possible to live in a lot of places on Earth. If you live in a rich Western country like the US, Canada, Australia, etc. you have an advantage in terms of money to go to another place and have your money go a lot further in some other parts of the world.
The only solution is to get out the US if things aren't working out for you. We are living in an era of globalization so it possible to live in a lot of places on Earth. If you live in a rich Western country like the US, Canada, Australia, etc. you have an advantage in terms of money to go to another place and have your money go a lot further in some other parts of the world.
EXACTLY!!!! If you can't find the right woman for you in one country then go global! Look for her in another country.
International introduction agencies are available and easy to use for men who are so inclined. Some Latin oriented ones are Latin Social Network, My Latin Flame, My Latin Rose, My Foreign Bride, Latin Euro, Brazil Romance, Continental Romance, Cali Charm, All Colombian Girls, Latin Wife. There are many others to check out.
George90 said: If you can't find the right woman for you in one country then go global! Look for her in another country.
Which is exactly what I did........ and it's being working out just fine.
A lot of guys don't seem to want to "take a chance" on a foreign woman. But I ask you, how does that chance compare to the one you take if you marry "the girl next door"?
Rock
CBGBConnisur
12-04-06, 06:07
EXACTLY!!!! If you can't find the right woman for you in one country then go global! Look for her in another country.
International introduction agencies are available and easy to use for men who are so inclined. Some Latin oriented ones are Latin Social Network, My Latin Flame, My Latin Rose, My Foreign Bride, Latin Euro, Brazil Romance, Continental Romance, Cali Charm, All Colombian Girls, Latin Wife. There are many others to check out.
I had a slightly different idea, actually go to another part of the world and live there, its not as impossible as people think. I know a lot of people in other developed countries who spend time overseas. The cost of living in a lot of places is sharply lower than the United States, your money can go farther in a lot of places than it can at home. The world is becoming a more interesting and exciting place, its not all bad news that you hear on the network news.
Excuse my French , lads, but I am SICK of this bullshit. This sellout is trying to make a buck smearing men, something I would expect from women. Where the hell are his nuts? In his wife's purse?
http://health.yahoo.com/experts/menlovesex/2/why-men-cheat
My last 4 girlfriends cheated on me. FOUR!!! And they all whined and cried about how they made a mistake and wanted me back. ALL of them. And before you say maybe it was me, no, it wasn't. Women of my generation have no sense of togetherness. It's ALL about THEM. Of all the women I know really well, many cheated on their men.
On another tangent, now comes Christmas, the most bias holiday besides Valentine's Day. "This year, get her that diamond to show her you really love her." "This year, get her that Lexus she has always dreamed about." Get her this, get her that, whilst we get boxers and a fucking tie or razor.
/rant off (for now)
DJ FourMoney
12-06-06, 06:48
Any news on his big trip, or was it all a farce?
No farce and no joke. Just delayed...
My father passed away just after Thanksgiving and I have to take care of all of his affairs being the executor of his estate.
That's the bad news; I love and miss my father very much.
The good news is -
Me and my sister will split everything down the middle 50/50.
Some of which will get freed up in about 35 days from now and most of it inside of 90 days. We are still sorting things out...
But my tripped moved to late Jan is still planned and still going to happen, I just might have more money to play with than I originally thought.
That is your offical update Marak
Rubber Nursey
12-06-06, 07:26
So you've come into money, huh? Hmmmm....did I ever tell you what sexy eyes you have, DJ? And how much I adore emeralds.... ;)
Just kidding. Figured the AW crowd would expect me to say something like that, me being a woman and all.
Hugs, kisses and my sincerest condolences to you and your family on the passing of your father, DJ. x
No farce and no joke. Just delayed...
My father passed away just after Thanksgiving and I have to take care of all of his affairs being the executor of his estate.
That's the bad news; I love and miss my father very much.
The good news is -
Me and my sister will split everything down the middle 50/50.
Some of which will get freed up in about 35 days from now and most of it inside of 90 days. We are still sorting things out...
But my tripped moved to late Jan is still planned and still going to happen, I just might have more money to play with than I originally though
That is your offical update Marak
Bad news =(
Sorry to hear of your loss, my friend.
This trip will be well deserved by you.
F
I will again vouch for DJ-I did have a conversation with him where he displayed a high degree of knowledge about the air fare market across the pond.
Sorry about your Dad.
Best Regards,
"Bart"
http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1152534921526
N.Y. High Court Says Mistaken Avowal of Fatherhood Imposes an 'Equitable Paternity'
"With this decision, this Court supports a public policy that says a man should never take on a parental role unless he wants to be unconditionally responsible for the child's financial support," Judge Bundy Smith wrote.
"'COMPLETELY INNOCENT'
The dissenters objected to the application of estoppel against a "completely innocent litigant" who was misled by the child's mother. They noted that the woman swore in Family Court that she had not had sexual relations during the relevant time span with anyone other than Mark, an assertion that DNA analysis proved was a lie.
They said the decision rewards people who make no effort to nurture or support a child who may be their own while penalizing people like Mark who immediately assumed responsibility.
"With this decision, this Court supports a public policy that says a man should never take on a parental role unless he wants to be unconditionally responsible for the child's financial support," Judge Bundy Smith wrote.
Judges Smith and Bundy Smith concluded that it could not serve the child's best interests "to have an order of filiation declare respondent to be her father, a man, who in addition to having no biological tie, has no interest in continuing a relationship with her or her mother." "
The above is the dissenting judges' opinion. Guys, you've been warned. If you're an American resident dating a woman with kids even in a foreign country, don't lift a finger to help them. Sounds heartless, but no good deed goes unpunished in today's perverse culture. He boinked this chick a couple times and then gave her pregnancy money and after the birth signed a few papers to help them come here, believing her lies on paternity. No surprise that all four women on the high court ruled against this poor guy. He deserves restitution and a medal, not a bill for retroactive support of $13,000!
If you know it's not yours, keep your distance and render no assistance unless you don't mind being financially chained until the kid is 18 or 21.
If you're told it's yours, demand a DNA test.
http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1152534921526
N.Y. High Court Says Mistaken Avowal of Fatherhood Imposes an 'Equitable Paternity'
"With this decision, this Court supports a public policy that says a man should never take on a parental role unless he wants to be unconditionally responsible for the child's financial support," Judge Bundy Smith wrote.
All the more reason to move overseas and be with the woman IN HER OWN COUNTRY.
This way, you are in an infinitely better position legally and financially. Your chances of getting fucked over a la "Mark" will be virtually nil.
Rock
Britney's pussy wide open for you boys!
DJ FourMoney
12-07-06, 12:06
So you've come into money, huh? Hmmmm....did I ever tell you what sexy eyes you have, DJ? And how much I adore emeralds.... ;)
Just kidding. Figured the AW crowd would expect me to say something like that, me being a woman and all.
Hugs, kisses and my sincerest condolences to you and your family on the passing of your father, DJ. x
Thanks Nursey -
Its all good RN, actually. Nobody knows but you and basically anybody reading this, but eh.. Its only there to be spent later, right?
He was a playa to the end, he never remarried...
He had a good life, nothing to really be sad over, his health just started to fail him:
Diabetes, Stroke and 2 heart attacks (the last one killed him) all in the last 15 years.
Furiouz -
Thanks, that's how I'm looking at it.
Bart -
Yeah its still cheap to go this time of year. COLD, but cheap, so what I'll be INDOORS 90% of time...
I moved it to Jan after looking what was before me financially. My father passing at this time wasn't what I needed. I already burned up $1300 just taking care of his imedate affairs, but I'll get it back from the insurance company anyway.
I've been TRYING NOT TO POST as I'm just taking up bandwith and not really "adding" the the conversation.
CBGBConnisur
12-07-06, 19:11
I constantly see images of Paris Hilton whenever I go to a newstand anywhere on the planet. I have no idea what makes her so special. I don't think she is that beautiful, but the hype machine likes to make AWs more than they are, as a result AWs and their counterparts in the English speaking world are very arrogant.
I saw one of those magazines on a rack at the supermarket. Might had been a tabloid paper, but whatever.
The thing is, they were showing a whole bunch of hollywood stars (female) without their makeup. No makeup, lighting, soft focus camera work and no digital retouches. Guess what, you wouldn't recognize most of these women if they were standing next to you at the movie theatre.
JLo? forget it! Paris, Britney and Nicole..... same thing.
As far as Britney's overexposed cooter? Yet another publicity/attention seeking stunt that worked to perfection.
Rock
love, lust, marriage... a comparison
----> love - when your eyes meet across a crowded room.
lust - when your tongues meet across a crowded room.
marriage - when you try to lose your spouse in a crowded room.
----> love - when intercourse is called "makin love".
lust - when intercourse is called "screwing."
marriage - when intercourse is a town in pennsylvania.
----> love - when you argue over how many children to have.
lust - when you argue over who gets the wet spot.
marriage - when you argue over whose idea it was to have kids.
----> love - when you share everything you own.
lust - when you steal everything they own.
marriage - when the bank owns everything.
----> love - when it doesn't matter if you don't climax.
lust - when the relationship is over if you don't climax.
marriage - when...uh...what's a climax?
----> love - when you phone each other just to say, "hi."
lust - when you phone each other to pick a hotel room.
marriage - when you phone each other to ***** about work.
----> love - when you write poems about your partner.
lust - when all you write is your phone number.
marriage - when all you write is checks.
----> love - when your only concern is for your partner's feelings.
lust - when your only concern is to find a room with mirrors all around.
marriage - when you're only concern as to what's on tv.
----> love - when you are proud to be seen in public with your partner.
lust - when you only see each other naked.
marriage - when you never see each other awake.
----> love - when your heart flutters every time you see them.
lust - when your groin twitches every time you see them.
marriage - when your wallet empties every time you see them.
----> love - when all the songs on the radio describe exactly how you feel.
lust - when the song on the radio determines how you do it.
marriage - when you listen to talk radio.
----> love - when breaking up is something you try not to think about.
lust - when staying together is something you try not to think about.
marriage - when just getting through the day is your only thought.
----> love - when you're only interested in doing things with your partner.
lust - when you're only interested in doing things to your partner.
marriage - when you're only interested in your golf score.
----> love - when a rainy day means more time to stay inside and talk.
lust - when a rainy day means more time to stay inside and have sex.
marriage - when a rainy day means it's time to clean the basement.
----> love - you only leave the house to buy coffee and doughnuts.
lust - you only leave the house to buy condoms and vaseline.
marriage - you only leave the house when you're allowed.
----> love - when you take a bubble bath together.
lust - when you take a bath in jell-o together.
marriage - when you give the kids a bath.
----> love - a romantic candlelight dinner for two.
lust - "do i have to buy you dinner first?".
marriage - 4 happy meals...to go .
----> love - giving your love some candy.
lust - thinking you are the candy.
marriage - scraping candy off of the carpet.
----> love - a night out at the symphony.
lust - a night out at the ramada inn.
marriage - a night out at sesame street on ice.
----> love - lending your jacket to your love when he/she is cold.
lust - "i can think of a way to stay warm..."
marriage - your teenager just took your jacket.
----> love - talking and cuddling.
lust - rolling over and falling asleep.
marriage - getting up to wash your hands...
----> love - long drives through the countryside.
lust - long parking sessions at lover's lookout.
marriage - long drives with the kids screaming in the back-seat.
----> love - sex every night.
lust - sex 5 times a night.
marriage - sex ?
Just saw the news today,
Kevin is rejecting an offer from Britney for 3 times what was agreed upon in their contract. Instead, he's holding out for custody of the kids and even MORE money!
Nice to see the woman getting shafted for a change.
Comments?
Rock
Wanderer1000
12-09-06, 03:53
Astor B. -
Loved it, I printed it out to share at work.
I remember one of my first girlfriends telling me about a reality in her large predominately female office. She told me that the newly married women always had pictures of their husbands at work under these glass tops on their desks. After the first child, you would see the husband get moved off to the sides somewhere, and the baby (first child) would get the center spot. After the second child - the husband is gone. Over the last few decades, I've noticed that women with at least a couple kids almost never have a picture of their husband at work, but their kids pictures are almost always displayed. It's like a surprise to me when I see the husband somewhere.
Sex after marriage? - When I see these surveys of married guys being asked about the frequency of their (bland) sex in marriage, I never really believe the frequency is as high as they say. I think even though the responses are supposed to be anonymous, most guys are too embarassed to admit the truth to themselves.
Thridqtrrun
12-09-06, 04:22
It's funny how the court of appeals ruled that,
"The potential damage to a child's psyche caused by suddenly ending established parental support need only be stated to be appreciated. Cutting off that support, whether emotional or financial, may leave the child in a worse position than if that support had never been given"
But doesn't consider this when they take parents out of the home and throw them in jail. How damaging is that? Furthermore, it seems that good decent honest people don't get rewarded in this country. If you step up to the plate and try to do the right thing, you're penalized. But in defense of the "System" it's no different than in a boxing ring, the referee tells fighters to protect themselves at all times and that's what men have to understand. That ***** you're sticking your member in has NO compunction about sacrificing you to serve her needs.
I think men are given one message about women and women are given an entirely different message-there in lies the problem. If men were told that the Eve story in the bible is as about as far as you need to look to know the true nature of a woman, perhaps we wouldn't be in this mess. Keep a foot on their necks at all times, otherwise she'll attack.
3rdQtrRun
Bango Cheito
12-09-06, 19:44
I don't think the guy can reasonably be construed as 'decent' either. What obviously happened was that he was supporting the child and fathering her believing she was his child and then when he found out she may NOT have been his child he wanted nothing to do with her. Sadly, the court judgement cannot possibly address that and may be applied egregiously in other situations. :(
Of course when you see the celebs you see them with make up soft lighting and airbrushing, how else would you think that you would see them, just rolled out of bed look, unwashed or gawd forbid ugly ? lets face it the media / beauty industry is based around providing the ideal image, the ultra sexy girl next door look. If we all realised that was a fallicy we would be in better shape.
Myself I abored prositution and cheap sex, then after a few sessions of being screwed myself and seeing others being screwed I started to see that it wasnt so bad afterall. I saw a good mate be done over and the woman use thier kid as a leaverage tool, I myself got in tow with a woman who worked some underhand moves with an ex and I should have seen it before it all fell into place. Can tell ya when it did fall into place I was out of there faster than a politician in a massage parlour when the vice squad raided it.
Dont get me wrong Im not a woman hater far from it but Im not wired to the moon no more looking at an idealistic husband wife scenario. No way ! Ive seen through that and I know that if I want to have some hot dirty sex then i visit a ***** and I do the deed pays my money and then i leave. That is what I do, I pay for the ability to get out of there and not have to talk the shite that they want to hear.
Such is life.
Ive had some good fucks, Ive also had some dirty times and Ive travelled and seen a few places that I enjoyed.
Sex is out there anywhere you go, anywhere you care to look. Ive been to thailand did the bargirl the massage and the soapies, been to the eastern block countries, Latvia Estonia Germany Bosnia Croatia, Been to North America and well i have to say that N America the women were of a breed that took some getting used to! Going to a massage parlour and finding out that it was a lingerie salon - like what the fuck, I pay you money and I jack off while watching you in your lingerie?!!? Get a Life and fuck off Id be better wanking myself. I go to get tugged off to have your hand do the deed not to be a spectator. You have to participate to get your $$$
Anyways as I said had one relationship that did do me over but I got over that and Ive never let that sort of relationship ever take route again.
American Woman twist things and generally try to take you for what you can - fuck your brains out and then once the think that they have you round thier finger the milking starts. One of the best fucks Ive had was with a non paid encounter in a hottub in a hotel in Seattle. Boy that scrwed me over that did as I thought I L O V E D her, But I was confused let me cock rule my head.
But I still think about that every now and then.
Rugged
I don't think the guy can reasonably be construed as 'decent' either. What obviously happened was that he was supporting the child and fathering her believing she was his child and then when he found out she may NOT have been his child he wanted nothing to do with her. Sadly, the court judgement cannot possibly address that and may be applied egregiously in other situations. :(
I think, according to the article, he wanted nothing to do with her after DNA tests proved the child wasn't his. The guy manned up and did the father route, only to find out that all the effort he was going through was for a child that was not his? I don't see how not wanting to be losing hard earned wages on the child of a stranger is undecent. He was tricked from the get go, and what the court is doing is taking his money..making him pay for a chaild that was never his. Funny thing is, this is the third such case I have read regarding the same type of incident.
Does this strike anyone as unconstitutional?
Does anyone know if a man has to pay child support if he catches his wife cheating?
Does this strike anyone as unconstitutional?
As in men are lose lots of their constitutional rights when they marry? Or as in men are losing constitional rights even when they do not marry, such as with IMBRA, which dictates the nationality of the women a man can marry and means by which he can meet that woman, and such as the recent case where a man is forced to be the 'father' (financial supporter) of children he did not biologically father and was defrauded into supporting before a DNA test was made? Is that what you mean????
Does anyone know if a man has to pay child support if he catches his wife cheating?
I do not know about current law. But when I was in high school (late 70's) and took a law course, one of the topics was marriage/family law. It was about stuff like parents have to support their children until they turn 18, you have to be at least 16 to marry and will need parental permission until you turn 18, how a child can petition for manumission (freedom from parental authority) if the parents are abusive or irresponsible. One of the laws at the time was that a man is the legal father of ALL the children the woman he is married to has, regardless of whether or not he is the biological father.
The law has probably chnaged since routine DNA testing became available, but back then it think the answer to your question would have been ...
YES! A man must pay child support even when he catches his wife cheating.
YES! A man must pay child support even when he catches his wife cheating.
This has nothing to do with anything. The existence of child support (or not) is not intended to punish or reward a mother for good or bad behavior. It is for the child's benefit. That's the legal theory anyway. And I think that's fair. Unless it's like the case cited below, where not being the biological father did not protect him from liability. Scary stuff indeed.
In nearly all of today's child support situations in the US, the biological father pays if the mother has custody, even if she has remarried. And there are plenty of cases these days where the father has custody and the mother pays support.
As for most laws on child support: they vary wildly from state to state. Notice that the court decision was from a state high court.
CBGBConnisur
12-11-06, 00:45
Of course when you see the celebs you see them with make up soft lighting and airbrushing, how else would you think that you would see them, just rolled out of bed look, unwashed or gawd forbid ugly ? lets face it the media / beauty industry is based around providing the ideal image, the ultra sexy girl next door look. If we all realised that was a fallicy we would be in better shape.
Myself I abored prositution and cheap sex, then after a few sessions of being screwed myself and seeing others being screwed I started to see that it wasnt so bad afterall. I saw a good mate be done over and the woman use thier kid as a leaverage tool, I myself got in tow with a woman who worked some underhand moves with an ex and I should have seen it before it all fell into place. Can tell ya when it did fall into place I was out of there faster than a politician in a massage parlour when the vice squad raided it.
Dont get me wrong Im not a woman hater far from it but Im not wired to the moon no more looking at an idealistic husband wife scenario. No way ! Ive seen through that and I know that if I want to have some hot dirty sex then i visit a ***** and I do the deed pays my money and then i leave. That is what I do, I pay for the ability to get out of there and not have to talk the shite that they want to hear.
Such is life.
Ive had some good fucks, Ive also had some dirty times and Ive travelled and seen a few places that I enjoyed.
Sex is out there anywhere you go, anywhere you care to look. Ive been to thailand did the bargirl the massage and the soapies, been to the eastern block countries, Latvia Estonia Germany Bosnia Croatia, Been to North America and well i have to say that N America the women were of a breed that took some getting used to! Going to a massage parlour and finding out that it was a lingerie salon - like what the fuck, I pay you money and I jack off while watching you in your lingerie?!!? Get a Life and fuck off Id be better wanking myself. I go to get tugged off to have your hand do the deed not to be a spectator. You have to participate to get your $$$
Anyways as I said had one relationship that did do me over but I got over that and Ive never let that sort of relationship ever take route again.
American Woman twist things and generally try to take you for what you can - fuck your brains out and then once the think that they have you round thier finger the milking starts. One of the best fucks Ive had was with a non paid encounter in a hottub in a hotel in Seattle. Boy that scrwed me over that did as I thought I L O V E D her, But I was confused let me cock rule my head.
But I still think about that every now and then.
Rugged
Welcome to the club, AWs though are not much different than your average Aussie or Pommie skank. The latter show their bitchiness in more subtle and cryptic ways. It took a few years as a Yank to realize when I was being flipped off by an Aussie female, they aren't as in your face about things as American women but just as cold and calculating, you can tell by looking into her eyes. The best women I have found among the more rich countries seem to be in Germany and Central Europe, although these countries are rich, their women are not as bitchy as those in more Anglophone societies. I heard some Aussie fuckwit say how Japanese men see their women like most Westerners see their dogs, he found it a turnoff being a programmed fuckwit brainwashed by Anglo feminist media. I started looking for tickets to Japan.
Yes I know that it isnt fair sometimes - life can get a little complicated!
I could see this woman and couldnt see how mad she was at first - I thought it was genuinely the other guy's fault, was suckered into it can tell you that it took a while. Shit she even had us going to relationship counselling as we were not getting on as a couple, Like could I not hear the alarm bells ? I was working my 'nads off to try and keep food on the table and there she was too ill to work, headaches and all that and I was there trying to keep afloat and pay the bills. Paying for kids that were not mine and that should have rang the bells. But it didnt as I was too soft.
Ended up buggered buy it all and it was one morning on a drive with a buddy that he stopped the truck and took me to one side and slapped me on the face - cant you see what she is doing and how she is doing it. look at how she treats the ex and think, realise that this un's trouble.
I paid more attention to what was going on and started to put two and two together and make my own mind up. I could see her games - could see how she was trying to play the system and see if she could get more out of everyone else and contribute less herself. She had it so hard for so long so she could take some respite from it all, yeah and have me doing all the crap, Hmm this two way street wasnt so two way anymore.
Even the good sex became average - she would just lie there and say do what you want. I got sick of that and you know what I took her at her word one evening and I made sure that I cum over her face and messed it up for her, she wasnt too pleased but hey I reminded her that she had said to do what I wanted.
that was disrespectful she told me, yeah it was, i replied just like you are ripping the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) from me. That was it as far as I was concerned and I moved on from that day.
Life is better now and Im not too bothered about love and all that, I just make sure that my life revolves round what I want in my life and thats some good sex and being comfortable!
Rugged
Bango Cheito
12-11-06, 03:06
I really don't know where I stand on this particular issue. I've seen so much child support abuse on BOTH sides. Unfortunately the system is set up so that the more of a straight shooter you are the more you get fucked, male OR female.
But don't you think it's a little cold to just disown a kid like that just because it wasn't really yours? Is the kid really all of a sudden less loveable? I can't help but feel sorry for that child, she's probably going to grow up real fucked up now after being rejected like that :( But once again, all the money in the world isn't gonna fix that! :(
I think, according to the article, he wanted nothing to do with her after DNA tests proved the child wasn't his. The guy manned up and did the father route, only to find out that all the effort he was going through was for a child that was not his? I don't see how not wanting to be losing hard earned wages on the child of a stranger is undecent. He was tricked from the get go, and what the court is doing is taking his money..making him pay for a chaild that was never his. Funny thing is, this is the third such case I have read regarding the same type of incident.
Does this strike anyone as unconstitutional?
Does anyone know if a man has to pay child support if he catches his wife cheating?
I love my stepson as my own. After my marriage to his mother dissolved after 12 years I still regard him as my child (he is now 22). During the course of the marriage not one cent of support was tendered by his natural father; thankfully finances were not an issue for me. I never understood why ego plays such a large role. Any fool can impregnate a woman, being a father is a whole different story. I do not have any natural children by the way. Mom pulled the usual AW stunts during the marriage so of course I had to go. The divorce went as follows: go your merry way and don't worry about college. I hated to put it that way. The lads 21st birthday gift was a R/T ticket to Puerta Plata. There is nothing like understanding between a father and son!
CBGBConnisur
12-11-06, 03:41
Constitution?? Didn't W rip that up? I don't see the USA being "The" power in the world fifteen to twenty years from now. A Euro is buying $1.32US as of late, this has been the biggest plummet in US currency in years. Who knows maybe when(not a question of if) the USA becomes a third world nation, the ladies will become a bit nicer. Hey hey!!!
Yes I think that you are correct there, The states aint going to remain top of the pile - Look at china that country is fast advancing. I think that we will see the states start to falter over the next ten to twenty years. This Iraq thing has undone alot of the american standing in the scheme of things - people see them for what they are and I think that will turn the tide against them.
Any dealings you have with Americans these days you can see the gaping hole - the need for some substance behind thier standing. Its just not there anymore and that is the root. Listen to them talk and deal with the world and you see that they dont have an idea. A country has to have a distribution of intelligence but when you hear their leader you realise that they need help themselves as their leader is a bumbling idiot.
Bit like american woman expect that people will be in awe of them as they are american, like hell no that wont happen, I see those american girls on Tv and then realise that the reality is different - stupid and fat.
At least with the eastern europeans that Ive met and shagged there was some intelligence there and they looked good aswell. Not many dairy queens!
Hornyscot
I love my stepson as my own. After my marriage to his mother dissolved after 12 years I still regard him as my child (he is now 22)....The lads 21st birthday gift was a R/T ticket to Puerta Plata. There is nothing like understanding between a father and son!
I've no problem with that. It was voluntary. But I don't believe the state and the courts have any business in forcing someone in your position to fork over money.
Yes I think that you are correct there, The states aint going to remain top of the pile - Look at china that country is fast advancing. I think that we will see the states start to falter over the next ten to twenty years. This Iraq thing has undone alot of the american standing in the scheme of things - people see them for what they are and I think that will turn the tide against them.
Any dealings you have with Americans these days you can see the gaping hole - the need for some substance behind thier standing. Its just not there anymore and that is the root. Listen to them talk and deal with the world and you see that they dont have an idea. A country has to have a distribution of intelligence but when you hear their leader you realise that they need help themselves as their leader is a bumbling idiot.
Bit like american woman expect that people will be in awe of them as they are american, like hell no that wont happen, I see those american girls on Tv and then realise that the reality is different - stupid and fat.
At least with the eastern europeans that Ive met and shagged there was some intelligence there and they looked good aswell. Not many dairy queens!
Hornyscot
I agree. It's just amazes me how completely ignorant alot of American Women are, they are completely clueless about world affairs. I will never date or marry a woman who is completely ignorant about the World around which they live. A very attractive Polish woman I've been seeing for about 6months sits me down on her sofa and we spend about an hour or so talking about worldly issues, etc. She then takes me by the hand to her bedroom and fucks the hell out of me. This is Just my kind of woman.
Yeah, most of the girls here say they want conversation.
But what that actually translates into..... is the guy sitting there listening as they "Express Their Feelings". Basically you're supposed to listen to them [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and moan about stuff and nod your head at the appropriate time to show that you agree with them (and also to prove that you're actually listening).
Sorry hon, I've got stuff I'd rather be doing right now. Why don't you call your "friend" (you know, the guy who wants to fuck you but never will get the chance) and tell him all about it.
Rock
CBGBConnisur
12-12-06, 01:13
I met an American woman at a pub in Sydney's King's Cross that turned out to be a bit different than the typical AW, then again not many American women leave their plush suburban lives to travel in places like Oz. She seemed really negative about life in the US and wanted to migrate to Oz, could not blame her, although Australian women are just as high maintenance as American women are and people like Oprah are to blame, her show is one of the most popular in Australia. The US media influence that has flexed its muscles in the land down under has showed its effects. When China replaces the US, you will see Chinese influence, in Asian countries women are more subjugated, it will be a welcome change. I have noticed on occasion that I meet half Asian half European women in Oz and they are often very good looking but not easy to get. I saw one a few days ago but she went away with some hairy looking dude.
Unfortunately, globalization is dealing the US a very bad hand, the rest of the world has lived with a large gap between rich and poor for years, now other countries are experiencing an expansion in their middle classes like China, still they got a lot of dirt poor people, but over the next 30 years, I see more of them being lifted out of the poor house. The New Orleans disaster exposed a very dark underbelly of America to the entire world, I think it did more to damage America's image than Iraq, a lot of Australians I know could not believe that so many people lived on the fringes of society and the government could not care less about them. We can thank all the greedy fucks that currently control what we now know as Western civilization for selling out our countries. I think America could turn things around, but the media continues to brainwash the masses with fatcat propaganda, so I see the USA going downhill fast. When you convert Australian incomes into US dollars, nearly 40 percent of the population would be considered poor by American standards, yet a lot of these people live better than most people I knew in America, really strange. I think Australians though are more suspicious of authority and propaganda than most Americans, so that must be the difference.
Yeah, most of the girls here say they want conversation.
But what that actually translates into..... is the guy sitting there listening as they "Express Their Feelings". Basically you're supposed to listen to them [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and moan about stuff and nod your head at the appropriate time to show that you agree with them (and also to prove that you're actually listening).
Sorry hon, I've got stuff I'd rather be doing right now. Why don't you call your "friend" (you know, the guy who wants to fuck you but never will get the chance) and tell him all about it.
Rock
I was actually just yesterday discussing with someone how vacuous most of our domestic models are (this as does most everything else comes down to supply and demand economics....why bother being interesting when there are guys beating down your door 24 hours a day)
It was my assertion that most girls lack the ability to converse on any subject beyond the goings on in her little social circle, shop talk to those she works with, and maybe girlie oriented pop culture.
B9k
It was my assertion that most girls lack the ability to converse on any subject beyond the goings on in her little social circle, shop talk to those she works with, and maybe girlie oriented pop culture.
B9k
...not to mention shopping and material goods they obsess about acquiring, usually via a guy.
When in my early 20's I was the poor sap who would "converse", meaning I'd listen and nod silently while she'd yammer about her petty gripes, then she'd boink someone else who didn't pretend to care. Smoking hot opera singer, she had a whole harem full of pitiful types who were her lapdogs, hoping against hope she'd do them. Needless to say, I rarely got laid at that age until I finally wised up.
DJ FourMoney
12-14-06, 07:35
Okay, my mother felt she had to bring something to my attention earlier.
There's a front page story in the LA Times about how some guy got suckered by a Brasilian woman.
I don't have to read a front page news story about something I see on these very boards everyday on the Sao Palo and Rio forums. I mean the information is not new, its not recycled either as every story is different, but they all have at least 2 things in common -
1) A girl in Brazil is getting money from a knucklehead and about two or three other guys and to add insult to injury, she has a local boyfriend.
Meanwhile -
2) Said American, European or Canadian is upset about being an ATM and a sperm donor, especially after the girl in question gave him the best sex he's ever had in his life...
So he feels like he has to play the "bitterman" instead of blaming himself for the foolishness of his choices. He happens to know somebody who knows somebody else who's a columist for said MAJOR newspaper and there you have it in PRINT for all to see.
Meanwhile I have known about mail order bride scams since I first figured out what pussy was. The internet just makes it easier and faster to get scammed if your not careful.
But the point of this post was, I had to defend my planned trip to Europe (again) because she feels Im about to get dupped. I'd say and I said, that has a better chance of happening in EE, island nations such as Thailand and poor countries in South America (Brazil case in point...)
She has NO idea what the modern male such as myself has to deal with when dealing with American Women.
I don't know if I had said it before, but I actually got into an arguement with a woman I don't know from Adam about the fact that at the time I was 32 and still lived at home.
How about the time a girl was all hot to talk to me on the phone (met online) and once she found out I lived at home, promtly hung up on me.
Then my mother was in classic mode, "Why would you even tell them you live at home?"
Uh, its kinda unavoidable. AW lead boring lives in general and a change of scenery is good for them. So when they meet a new guy they want to check him and his dwelling out, so she can see what kinda guy he is (:read how much money does he have).
And on top of all of that, wouldn't I be the one thing AW loath the most -
A Liar?
If I lied from day one, the question becomes what else have I lied about and the budding relationship crumbles before I even get to feel her up.
I'll be the first to admit that looking overseas for a mate is foolishly expensive and will take up about years worth of time to straghten out, but I believe the end result will be that I'll be happier than a pig in slop...
I was able to find a local EE girl and I have covered that before. While she wasn't bothered about my living arrangement, it didn't work out for reasons I still don't quite understand and have stopped a long time ago trying to figure out why.
I don't know if I should put a personal out there saying I'm looking for a "non-American" woman in America, specifically in the LA area... I'll get a bunch of replies from Nigerian guys using some internet picture they found of some white girl in the hopes of "putting one over on me".
I mean some French girl (been here 4 years) sent me a wink, but she isn't and I don't find that many French women to be all that hot. She's cute, but that's about it and must have only seen my picture and not read where it says "I live at home"; but to be honest, that doesn't seem to bother European women and seems to be only a problem with American Women, even if they had to move back home themselves.
The Pot Calling The Kettle "Black"
Such is the perils of telling "conformist" about your plans of bypassing the "system" for better prospects...
CBGBConnisur
12-14-06, 18:30
Women from foreign countries can be as cunning as those in America. You just have to watch yourself. If he just went to Brazil than rather bring someone back, chances are he would have been okay. In that country there is a gap between men and women. There are plenty of foreign women in developing countries that are fully aware of what they could get away with in the West. The dude is an idiot, I just go to the country in question.
The biggest red flag with a foreign woman is if she wants to go back to the USA with you, that is an obvious immigration ploy. If you go to EE and stay there, I believe you have to prove that you have some money to live on, the chances of getting screwed over are slim. But if you find someone who wants to come back with you, you will get fucked over badly. American females are evil incarnate.
On occasion I have ran into an AW that isn't so bad, the latest was an Italian-Greek American woman, a nurse who was working with some charity group in South East Asia, but this girl is 1 in a 100. I also think her Southern European heritage probably gave her a different outlook.
Sinanju Master
12-15-06, 23:55
I was watching a crime story on MSNBC last night about a successful entrepreneur who is now serving jail time for murdering his foreign born wife. They started out as pen pals exchanging letters and photos. Each lied about their ages (he chopped off years while she added years) and eventually met face to face. One of the story's researchers said that when she first saw him, she was crestfallen (quoting verbatim) because basically, he was a FOBU. She introduced him to her family (quite poor, as they were squatters) and he basically said that he was marrying her for the person she is. Ah, ain't Love GRAND? To digress slightly, even before I knew it was about a murder (I came into the story late) I knew that the guy was gonna end up in a world of hurt. Anyway, they complete the paperwork for them to get married in the Philippines and he brought her back to the US of A. BIG MISTAKE! She went hog wild (he was a millionaire at the time) decorating the 20 room mansion and spoiling her kids and of course, herself. If I'm not mistaken, she had about $50K in landscaping work commissioned (can the more experienced of you see where this is heading? If so, Congrats!) and one of the landscapers was a hunky Filipino whom she began banging like she was trying out for a pornstar role. Long story SHORT, hubby finds out EVENTUALLY (initially he was clueless) and ends up killing her, dumping her body (in the car) into a nearby lake. The only reason he found out when he DID is because the board of directors of the company he founded fired him and he was now a house husband. Wifey got pissed that he no longer raked in the cash and treated him like dog droppings. This also meant that since he was now HOME all the time, she couldn't fuck the landscaper behind hubby's back undetected. If this poor schmoe was aware of this website and board, he could be living the good life WITHOUT now being somebody's wife.... tsk tsk tsk
One other notable comment that REALLY got my attention is when one of the WOMEN covering the story said that wifey became AMERICANIZED and changed for the worse! HOW ABOUT THAT?
I heard about that story, though not first hand. My version had it that he was a doctor. They married a week after meeting each other. There was a picture of him on the link I went to. He was overweight and balding but not ugly. They had also been married for 15 years before this happened. He was 40 and she 20 when they married. Someone said they saw a picture of the gardner and he was nothng special physically.
It seems to me they both got what they wanted for the time they were married to each other. She a huge rise in her standard of living. He a good looking young wife who provided sex on demand.
This is going to make me look like the most suspicious SOB in the world but this is what I thought when Sinanju said the following in his post
If I'm not mistaken, she had about $50K in landscaping work commissioned (can the more experienced of you see where this is heading? If so, Congrats!)
I figured that she was being REALLY sneaky. Get the property spruced up with the $50 K in landscaping. That boosts the property value. That way she can get a little more $$$ from selling the house after divorcing him.
Rock
Dodger Bulldog
12-17-06, 19:10
Even the good sex became average - she would just lie there and say do what you want. I got sick of that and you know what I took her at her word one evening and I made sure that I cum over her face and messed it up for her, she wasnt too pleased but hey I reminded her that she had said to do what I wanted.That gave me the best belly laugh I've had in a while.
Good for you!
Welcome to the club, AWs though are not much different than your average Aussie or Pommie skank. The latter show their bitchiness in more subtle and cryptic ways. It took a few years as a Yank to realize when I was being flipped off by an Aussie female, they aren't as in your face about things as American women but just as cold and calculating, you can tell by looking into her eyes. The best women I have found among the more rich countries seem to be in Germany and Central Europe, although these countries are rich, their women are not as bitchy as those in more Anglophone societies. I heard some Aussie fuckwit say how Japanese men see their women like most Westerners see their dogs, he found it a turnoff being a programmed fuckwit brainwashed by Anglo feminist media. I started looking for tickets to Japan.If I remember your earlier posts, you seemed to really like aussie. What made you change your mind? I'm the opposite of your experience. I have been to Japan first, loved it, but want to go to Germany, though worried about the quality and accessibility there, especially as I'll be thirty soon. How would you compare the women? How bad is the language barrier in Germany, how easy is it to travel to Poland on a regular basis from Germany to sample a more "pliable" dating environment.
As far as that aussie you met, there are thousands of these losers in Japan. Almost all foreigners are in Japan for the great women, but they seem to be ashamed of this fact and feel like if they hype the women vis a vis U.S. chicks, they're losers. I've never understood this. For some it even goes so far to be rude to other male foreigners in public. Puritanism perhaps? The large emphasis U.S. men put on their acceptance by women? I never played those games. I set aside a whole class once for my Japanese students at the high school, to set the story of U.S. chicks straight.
Sinanju Master
12-18-06, 02:55
I figured that she was being REALLY sneaky. Get the property spruced up with the $50 K in landscaping. That boosts the property value. That way she can get a little more $$$ from selling the house after divorcing him.Rock
That very well may have been a goal of hers, but think of all the laughs you got in the past when watching a porn flick. The master of the house gets some landscaping done to his property (or a variant on that story, gets his pool cleaned) and the "help" helps himself to the lady of the house. I'm pretty sure she didn't plan on THIS ahead of time, but when the opportunity presented itself, she jumped at it like a crooked politician seeing a wad of bills waved in front of his face.
I think that is way overreaching. I've observed hundreds of real estate transactions, and can attest that at resale one gets out of landscape improvements anywhere from 10-50 cents on the dollar return for any investment. This depends on the type, quality, utility, and taste (or lack thereof) of said improvement, not to mention if it is way out of league with what surrounding places are doing. Not a good place to put one's improvement money, in general. Some buyer might not like it at all, intending to rip the whole thing out and start over, and will factor that expense into any offer. However, it will probably help it sell faster.
Sounds as if George is citing some urban myth...certainly not the real story that was shown on MSNBC. But there are some lessons to be learned here.
I see much less risk in bringing a woman here if she's over 35. Much more set in her ways, won't change so much, especially if she's from a more prosperous place such as Japan.
Yogin,
If she's over 35, what's the point?
Rock
Sinanju Master
12-19-06, 01:32
a good example of your question is when I was watching the tube and someone was interviewing David Spade. Somehow or other he was citing an example of someone saying: "I'm dating Christie Brinkley!". He said: "So what? Twenty years ago, you'd have been a god, but today, that's nothing to crow about". Try striking while the iron is HOT! OUCH!
Another good example is someone buying a car (not even a collectible sports car) that has at least 150,000 miles on it. It's been through the wringer and is only minimally appealing (cosmetically). Is that a harsh example? Yes. However, that's Life, and my single opinion ain't gonna change the world...
Here's an ad on craigslist that illustrates typical American woman behaviour. I'm just trying to figure out the type of AM who will fall for this BS.....Geez
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/ers/251008026.html
Money for College-I'm desperate! - 19
Yes, this really is my pic.I will shoot a custom video for you doing just about anything as long as it is legal, and not disgusting. If you want I will even give you a virtual release using a standin. Send me your idea and I will give you a quote. I NEED MONEY! I am not an escort! I will not meet with you, no matter how much you offer me.
Here's an ad on craigslist that illustrates typical American woman behaviour. I'm just trying to figure out the type of AM who will fall for this BS.....Geez
to Astor Bryan:
All of the ones who have never lfet the country. She IS gorgeous, and with the average AM weighing in at 160lbs+ I'm sure her inbox is flooded.
Hot or Not: I have become addicted to this site. It's a revealing pyschological test. A little about myself: I am 6'1 180lbs, work out daily. African/Native American mix. I have absolutley no problems dating beautiful women in the US, however, the attitudes turn me off immensley.
Every Polish girl I express interest in returns the interest. And they are all 7+. As we know, attitude can make them a 10 or a 2. Russians, not so much interest. Chinese are so so. Most Pinays will return interest a lot, but not as much as Polish girls. Latinas, non what so ever. Odd. Black American women, not a single one. Nada. The overwhleming majority of my matches, I have 110, are blondes and brunettes from mid USA or from overseas.
Hmmm. Looks like I need to book a trip to Poland, methinks. I have zero preferance for color, each nation brings it's own flavor. I DO have a weakness for large breasts. Large breasts are a super stimulate to me, and I can go for hours and hours with a large breasted girl. Too bad I have only been with one =(
Cheers.
Here's an ad on craigslist that illustrates typical American woman behaviour. I'm just trying to figure out the type of AM who will fall for this BS.....Geez
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/ers/251008026.html
Money for College-I'm desperate! - 19
Yes, this really is my pic.I will shoot a custom video for you doing just about anything as long as it is legal, and not disgusting. If you want I will even give you a virtual release using a standin. Send me your idea and I will give you a quote. I NEED MONEY! I am not an escort! I will not meet with you, no matter how much you offer me.
That is fuckin' hilarious, Astor. What a b*tch! Oh no, she would never bend over and take dick for money. What a stupid c*nt.
This is hysterical-fans of Slavic broken English (always funny) will appreciate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DLWwcoJ53I
Russian Musicians tATu (2 hot young girls who make out as a publicity stunt) appear on a British late night talk show.
B9k
Virtual release? What the fuck is that supposed to be anyways? She says she's not an escort? That's true, an escort is actually there with you in the bed doing the deed.
What this girl is doing is the same thing they've all been doing for years...... Taking the guy's money without actually having to have sex with him. She's just found a new way to do it.
Virtual release, with a "standin".... what's that? I look at your pic while I fuck someone else? I can get the same thing by fantasizing about hot chicks from the mall..... and it doesn't cost a dime.
Rock
Neon Noodle
12-20-06, 04:23
Virtual release? What the fuck is that supposed to be anyways? She says she's not an escort? That's true, an escort is actually there with you in the bed doing the deed.
What this girl is doing is the same thing they've all been doing for years...... Taking the guy's money without actually having to have sex with him. She's just found a new way to do it.
Virtual release, with a "standin".... what's that? I look at your pic while I fuck someone else? I can get the same thing by fantasizing about hot chicks from the mall..... and it doesn't cost a dime.
RockI think it means her BF will hold the cam giving you a 'First Person perspective" as he shoots all over her. Its funny and sad to think she might get some replies,,lol. One can find freaky girl on web cam sites anyhow if your into that kinda thing.
Yogin,
If she's over 35, what's the point?
Rock
I've boned many Asians (not Asian-Americans!) in their 30's-40's who had smoking hot bodies that were far better than 90% of American girls who are half their age. They also know how to have fun in bed, pleasing me and themselves.
Re Hot or Not. Ratings are 1-10, so 5.5 would have to be average, theoretically. The average score is more like 6.7! There's no one under 2.8. Even suspiciously mannish women and angry-looking cows with a mustache holding a baby get a 3.5!
Hot or Not is a joke anyway. I put up my pic and I got a bunch of 7s and 8s, then two times somebody gave me 1s and dicked up my score.
As for the guys voting on women, I am charitable and give even the woofers a 5 or so. There is no looks-related problem a light switch can't solve.
There is no looks-related problem a light switch can't solve.
....except for fat, which for AM, is prevelant. And the rare few who aren't, have a stinking attitude and bloated sense of entitlement.
"What's hers is hers, and what's mine is hers!"
Virtual release? What the fuck is that supposed to be anyways?
Anyone here remember the movie Demolition Man? Remember the part of the movie where Sylvester Stallone goes back to Sandra Bullock's apartment and she wants to have sex with him. So he gets ready and everything and comes to find out that sex is illegal in the future; the only way they can have sex is by sitting far away from each other and wearing some kind of headset. I imagine this is what virtual release could mean!
Actually, I wouldn't be suprised if in 50 years, the U.S will be the same type of police state as portrayed in the movie.
CBGBConnisur
12-21-06, 05:32
Anyone here remember the movie Demolition Man? Remember the part of the movie where Sylvester Stallone goes back to Sandra Bullock's apartment and she wants to have sex with him. So he gets ready and everything and comes to find out that sex is illegal in the future; the only way they can have sex is by sitting far away from each other and wearing some kind of headset. I imagine this is what virtual release could mean!
Actually, I wouldn't be suprised if in 50 years, the U.S will be the same type of police state as portrayed in the movie.
50 Years??? Try the next 15 to 20, even maybe now, the US has the highest rate of incarceration on the planet Earth, four times the rate of China. In 50 years, the USA will be pretty much a non-entity as a nation in the world it might look like France or Britain today, but probably won't decline as gracefully as those two countries. China and India are going to own the world by then.
I saw Demolition Man, a bit of a ripoff of Freejack, which also showed the US as a police state. At least in Demolition Man, the masses were living in comfort, while you had gated industrial parks in Freejack. The Running Man was the most disturbing portrayal of a potential police regime in America.
From the looks of things, the US is well on its way to becoming a police state even now, what with the so-called "Patriot Act" and all.
Guys like us are getting shafted left, right and center. The best thing you can hope to do is take off somewhere safe, as soon as you can. There is a man named Fred Reed. I admire his writings a great deal.
He used to live in the States, armed forces vet and journalist. Calls things th way he sees them.
He left to go live someplace in Mexico and, from what he's written, seems to be quite happy down there.
If anybody wants to find his website, just google his name.... shouldn't be too hard.
Rock
DJ FourMoney
12-24-06, 10:04
First let me say -
There is nothing wrong with women over 30. You should have a problem with any woman that doesn't have enough self respect for herself to stay in reasonable shape and keeps control of her reproduction organs...
I don't think any man unless he has a warped sense of reality wants Kate Moss for a wife. Some meat is a good thing, too much is a bad thing. I'd love for my wife to look like Christie Brinkley or Kathy Ireland after they hit 50...
Furiouz -
What you have experienced is what I have experienced, but Im not having the luck your having with beautiful American women for various underlying reasons.
I'm sure you know my sob story...
I do have experince with "eastern bloc" women tho.... Some Russians like brothas, but I think its safe to say they are already in America (not all however, I know one in the Czh Republic...), not many Black Americans in Russia, so if that's what you seek, you go to the source..
All too often life is art, when it comes to movies and Im sure in the not too distant future the world might look alot like the the movies mentioned. You can throw in Total ReCall...
Glad to know we all have the same taste in media! :D
CBGBConnisur
12-24-06, 14:26
The next Superpower, China, is a police state, and its global influence is growing rapidly. In some countries people have a higher opinion of the China than the USA, even in Western onesAustralia which is the most pro US country out there is one of them. Like the US brought or attempted to bring Democracy around the world, China will bring its system of doing things to other countries. Like it or not, the US in twenty years may look like France or Britain today, a has been power in the world supplanted by even larger economic powers such as China and India.
Anyone in New York catch the downfall of NYS Controller Alan Hevesi? Lately he's been front page news of the New York Post and the Daily News. Evidently the man had a revolving crew of NY-state paid employees driving his wife back and forth to Macys, Bloomies, and various local malls. They also were known to be personal servants to Mrs. Hevesi by gardening, carrying her purchases, mowing the lawn, and being all around flunkies. For this the mans' 35 years of public service is down the drain, and he must pay back around 200 thousand dollars.
Another big story is Miss America Tara Conner being reprimanded by Donald Trump. Miss Universe had been partying too hard in the NYC nite-life and was proving to be a disgrace to the title of Miss America. Varous reports have her drinking like a fish, doing drugs and giving up the ass for anyone with drugs. (if you have access to drugs in NYC, particularly ecstasy or e-mail as they say; you can get most chicks in the club) Due to the publicity she is receiving over the disgraceful behavior, some are predicting a book due out soon, maybe a movie or movie role, and a career ala Vanessa Williams.
CBGBConnisur
12-26-06, 15:54
This is not surprising, NY is most corrupt state in the US, followed by Florida. The last time I was there, I took a taxi, and the driver was a school teacher during the day, trying to make extra money because the NYC Board of Education refuses to pay him a living wage. The fall in value of the US dollar is something that everyone should worry about, some say this happens whenever a Republican is in the White House, frankly I think both parties couldn't give rat's ass about the regular guy, for the last thirty years I could not find a similar drop in value for the US dollar even during the Reagan and Bush Sr. admins. This is really bad news, if China decides to dump the dollar as a reserve currency in the next decade we are really screwed. The Chinese are already starting to shift exports to Europe with a surging Euro currency.
Anyone in New York catch the downfall of NYS Controller Alan Hevesi? Lately he's been front page news of the New York Post and the Daily News. Evidently the man had a revolving crew of NY-state paid employees driving his wife back and forth to Macys, Bloomies, and various local malls. They also were known to be personal servants to Mrs. Hevesi by gardening, carrying her purchases, mowing the lawn, and being all around flunkies. For this the mans' 35 years of public service is down the drain, and he must pay back around 200 thousand dollars.
I caught it but have not been following it closely. I lived in NYC during the 80's. Hevesi was an up and coming Democratic bigwig then and was in the running for mayoral primary. His problem, according to insiders, was that he is a MAJOR A-HOLE! He is a smart guy, but nobody likes him personally. This corruption charge is mostly payback by people Hevesi has screwed over in past years.
The fall in value of the US dollar is something that everyone should worry about, some say this happens whenever a Republican is in the White House, frankly I think both parties couldn't give rat's ass about the regular guy, for the last thirty years I could not find a similar drop in value for the US dollar even during the Reagan and Bush Sr. admins. This is really bad news, if China decides to dump the dollar as a reserve currency in the next decade we are really screwed. The Chinese are already starting to shift exports to Europe with a surging Euro currency.
I absolutely agree! The problem is that with so few Americans travelling abroad and most just plain ignorant about international trade and the role of the value of the US dollar, the general public just doesn't give a damn. So politicians get off the hook for a falling dollar.
I think most American won't get it until oil is $90 a barrel and Mexicans stop coming here for jobs because the dollar doesn't get them enough pesos!
CBGBConnisur
12-27-06, 05:09
Its increasingly apparent that due to globalization, one can soon prosper anywhere in the world. So why bother with the loudmouth obnoxiousness of American females? Many countries are prospering in their own ways, its becoming more obvious that you don't have to live in the US to prosper.
Digital Curry
12-27-06, 15:56
I absolutely agree! The problem is that with so few Americans travelling abroad and most just plain ignorant about international trade and the role of the value of the US dollar, the general public just doesn't give a damn. So politicians get off the hook for a falling dollar.
I think most American won't get it until oil is $90 a barrel and Mexicans stop coming here for jobs because the dollar doesn't get them enough pesos!
Amen.
So are we all in agreement that the Bush administration is the worst in history?
How many of you have ever called your congressmen?
Check out the Congress website and put in your zip code and get their phone number and call them.
Don't complain on ISG, complain to your representative.
its increasingly apparent that due to globalization, one can soon prosper anywhere in the world. so why bother with the loudmouth obnoxiousness of american females? many countries are prospering in their own ways, its becoming more obvious that you don't have to live in the us to prosper.
i'm on that page big-time! when i can earn in latin america what i earn here in the us, then i am gone!
but it is not so easy. i am finding that a substantial problem is infrastructure. i am trying to find a job that can be done over the internet. but many places in la do not have reliable highspeed internet access or reliable electricity. when you live by high-tech, you need an infrastructure that can support high-tech.
How many of you have ever called your congressmen?
I HAVE!!!!!! I wrote to both my senators and to my congressional representative to complain about the new international marriage law called IMBRA.
The response? One senator said the he will address my concerns the next time that bill comes up for debate. The other senator thanked me for writing him and said I was now on his mailing list. My Congressman didn't respond at all.
A citizen's vote doesn't count any more. It takes large campaign contributions to get a pol's attention.
i am finding that a substantial problem is infrastructure. i am trying to find a job that can be done over the internet. but many places in la do not have reliable highspeed internet access or reliable electricity. when you live by high-tech, you need an infrastructure that can support high-tech.
hi george,
not to be confrontational, but that's the excuse you are using to prevent yourself from actually having to do it, not the real reason.
moving to another country, especially one so different from home can be a huge jump, and many people are afraid to step out of their comfort zone. i know, because i made up excuses why i couldn't do things in the past. just like you, these weren't real reasons, just made up ones. change is scary.
the internet works great in central and south america. banks, electricity, dhl and fedex, all of it works great. some places are better than others, but if you want to make it happen you can do it.
don't talk yourself out of great adventures. you will amaze yourself with what you can accomplish when you have faith in your abilities and allow yourself the chance to make things happen.
good luck.
DJ FourMoney
12-27-06, 22:29
Amen.
So are we all in agreement that the Bush administration is the worst in history?
How many of you have ever called your congressmen?
Check out the Congress website and put in your zip code and get their phone number and call them.
Don't complain on ISG, complain to your representative.
I did that....
I'm also on Sen John Conyers email list...
Haven't sat idle and let the world pass me by, F that...
Bango Cheito
12-28-06, 08:52
Most cities in South America have great broadband internet now, it is the ONE thing you will consistently pay more for, but it's there and it works. Some cities even have 3G networks.
Hi George,
Not to be confrontational, but that's the excuse you are using to prevent yourself from actually having to do it, not the real reason.
Moving to another country, especially one so different from home can be a huge jump, and many people are afraid to step out of their comfort zone. I know, because I made up excuses why I couldn't do things in the past. Just like you, these weren't real reasons, just made up ones. Change is scary.
The internet works great in Central and South America. Banks, electricity, DHL and FedEx, all of it works great. Some places are better than others, but if you want to make it happen you can do it.
Don't talk yourself out of great adventures. You will amaze yourself with what you can accomplish when you have faith in your abilities and allow yourself the chance to make things happen.
Good luck.
CBGBConnisur
12-28-06, 16:10
Actually, even if you made less money overseas in US dollar terms, your purchasing power in that country would make up for it. Just to give an example, I had a friend who moved to Poland but says his money goes five times further than it did in the Northeast USA. China is supposed to be like that within 15 years, in PPP terms their economy will be bigger than ours but in actual US dollars they will be smaller. There has been a few studies among industrialized countries showing that Americans pay more for a lot of crucial services such as medical care and education and often get lower quality. There are so many college grads in America with debt up to their eyeballs flipping burgers. Get sick in America, you could pay as much as $200 for a routine physical, I remember my insurance company paying my doctor that much a few years ago. Hmm.. maybe I should have became a doctor, think about it, he probably sees 25 to 30 people a day times 200 bucks a visit, well you know.
Its amazing that in a matter of only 5 years, GW Bush has destroyed America's good image around the world. Its going to take a long time for the next President to repair the damage that this clown has done. The rapid drop in the value of the US Dollar should be alarming everyone. This is the downside of the American political system, we have a conservative and a very liberal wing, there is no centrist party.
China and India are going to surpass us not because they are smarter, its because they have more people(2.5 Billion versus 280 Million) and are copying our technologies(thanks to all those good American companies that have outsourced to these countries).
An old friend of mine, his brother got divorced, rather than pay alimony, ran off to China, manages a nail factory, and for the cost of living makes a king's ransom. He is balding, fat, and not good looking yet has plenty of fine Chinese women hitting on him, to them he's Donald Trump, even though back in the US, he is your average working class Homer Simpson. Its possible to live good anywhere, you got to make it happen. Interesting because this guy was a carpenter back home.
Hi George,
Not to be confrontational, but that's the excuse you are using to prevent yourself from actually having to do it, not the real reason.
Don't talk yourself out of great adventures. You will amaze yourself with what you can accomplish when you have faith in your abilities and allow yourself the chance to make things happen.
Good luck.
I know that. It is excellent advice. To some extent I am afraid of failure. I do not want to have to return to the US because things didn't work out abroad. I want the first time to work.
China and India are going to surpass us not because they are smarter, its because they have more people(2.5 Billion versus 280 Million) and are copying our technologies(thanks to all those good American companies that have outsourced to these countries).
I am a teacher. You are plain wrong! IT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE SMARTER!! Or at least because they place a higher priority on education and encourage their children to perform well in school. In addition, the attitude in those countries is that the future of their country depends on the current generation doing well academically so they can compete with the big baddies on the block; the US and Europe.
The attitude here in the US is that we are at the top of the food chain so all we have to do is show up and we win. My foreign born students from ANYWHERE whether it be India, China, Ukraine, Poland, Colombia, Jamaica, or anywhere else, run circles around my American born students. 90% of the A's my students earn are going to the foreign-born students. 90% of the D's and F's are going to the US-born students. To add to the issue, I myself am foreign-born as are many of my colleagues.
I will conceed that part of what I am seeing is due to the type of student who comes to the US for an education. They are far more serious than the countrymen they leave behind. Perhaps the students who stay in their own countries are much less capable and more like the US-born students in my classes.
My point is that US education has taken on an elitist bent where only the richest get the opportunity for a world class education. And then many of them do not avail themselves of it. (Our current President comes to mind.) For the US to stay on the technological, economic, and social leading edge in the world, it needs to educate ALL of the next generation, not just the elite.
CBGB is correct about the numbers. If India and China highly educate just 1% of their populations, that will yield 25 million top workers. If the US does the same, it will yield just 3 million top workers. (US population is now 300 million.) That translates into India and China having 8 times as many top workers as the US, so they will be able to do MUCH more leading edge work and pay MUCH less in wages.
When its time for us to retire, the US may be a third world country.
CBGBConnisur
12-28-06, 19:03
One thing I can agree with you on is that these two countries, China and India will surpass the US sometime within the next 15 years. The education systems of both countries are improving, they are using a traditional US model of economic development to improve their financial well being. The traditional American system depended upon industrial growth which today the US economy is mostly service oriented. Both India and China each produce ten times as many science and engineering graduates. The doctor that charged me 200 dollars got his medical degree in India. Too many students in the US as well as other rich countries go to college and study liberal arts. America's economic strength has been based on technology, over the last thirty years the US has been bringing in scientists from other countries. Lately many of these scientists are staying in their home countries. Usually students from more developing societies work much harder than those born in the US and other rich countries.
The sad reality is that come 20 years, the US might be a third world country. Not enough money is being spent on education and other social services, if there are too many poor people, the US like other countries around the world will have serious political problems.
Hey guys,
I am 19 living in New York City as a student. Any wayz, this is my first "so call report". I just wanted to say hi to all of the wsg members and happy holy days. I have been readin this form past 3 years, and I guess the reality is sinking in for me at this point of my life. So, thank you all, you guys have changed my life. Because of you, i have a new goal and a prospactive in life.
Any way, I don't know if anybody heard about this ladder theory. Its pretty interesting. It just hight lights and yealds on more what you guys have been discussing all along. Here is the website. www.laddertheory.com or you can just go to google and type ladder theory to check out the site.
Peace
Hey guys,
I am 19 living in New York City as a student. Any ways, this is my first "so call report". I just wanted to say hi to all of the wsg members and happy holy days. I have been reading this form past 3 years, and i guess the reality is sinking in for me at this point of my life. So, thank you all, you guys have changed my life. Because of you, i have a new goal and a prospective in life.
Any way, I don't know if anybody heard about this ladder theory. Its pretty interesting. It just high lights and yields on more what you guys have been discussing all along. Here is the website. www.laddertheory.com or you can just go to google and type ladder theory to check out the site.
Peace
I had a quick look at it......it appears to be a workable paradigm.
B9k
Bango Cheito
12-29-06, 08:53
SO TRUE regarding purchasing power.
In many Latin American cities, people earn 1/5 or so of what they'd earn here, but things like food, transportation, and real estate cost them 1/10 of what they'd cost here. The only killers are cars (but who the fuck wants to drive in those places anyway?), and phones and electronic type stuff.
Sinanju Master
12-30-06, 19:40
Reading The Ladder Theory was like being tied to a chair in a small room with a grim-looking deprogrammer inches from my face saying: "Son, there are some realities we're gonna discuss. You ain't gonna like hearing it, but it's the truth, and the sooner you accept reality, the better off you'll be. Granted, explaining the Ladder Theory is like KGB interrogation tactics (brutal and simple) but effective. I'd have to say that it is a more extreme view of Doc Love.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/28/world/americas/28briefs-ecuador.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
Ecuador: Woman Selected as Defense Minister
"[T]o promote gender equality".
I also took a look at the ladder theory website. It seemed to me to be common sense packaged in psycho-babble.
I remember the same thing being explained to me as a teenager as an explanation for why upper class families in India kill their daughters.
WOMEN MARRY UP!!!! ALWAYS!!!! Women must marry into a family that has more money, or more social status, or more power, or more prestige, or more of something, than her own family. When a woman marries down it is a sin against her AND her family. Families that are at the top of society and can't find enough suitable men for upper class women to marry might have to suffer the shame of a daughter marrying down. That is TOO shameful. The family kills her instead.
The same thing goes on here in the US, except we try not to admit it. Women must marry up, so they look for money, alma mater, etc as indicators of higher social status and class.
For a man to get a pretty and loyal wife, he needs to show that he is tops in something, something that that women admires and values. Money helps, though I don't think it always needs to be money. But a man does need to be the Alpha male in something.
Site built in the wiki format:
http://ladderwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page
The first question that came into my mind is whether or not this transfers to the other cultures that most of us are more interested in than AW. Judging solely from George's post, as well as that the site I put up has been translated into Dutch, I'm guessing that it does.
B9k
Bart9000,
Nice info from wiki man. Its amazing to know wiki has this amount of player's club info.
OldIronsides
12-31-06, 07:37
ok, not only was i lmao reading the ladder theory, like a previous poster, i was filled with a sort of dread of having all my doubts confirmed by the obvious truth of the entire theory.
i chit you not, i am going to go right after i post this and change my match.com profile to say nothing but: "i am a firm believer in the ladder theory" (insert hyperlink) "feel free to contact me after you read this and agree with it".
i've been running around the past six months with quite a chip on my shoulder depressed at how mercenary american women are. i've lived overseas in various places for more than twenty years and us women are without doubt the most blatant intellectual *****s on the planet. i do think that any society and any culture will move to a ladder theory paradigm, just given enough time, crass development and materialism. capitalism simply accentuates the fact that male female relationships do indeed function exactly as described in the ladder theory. the idea that historically a woman has always have had to ""marry up may be a sort of social darwinism that is also self-evident but doesn't begin to address the true nature of women's natural propensity, regardless of social pressure to be intellectual *****s (or *****s of pick your flavor variety).
my negative opinion of trying to fit into the dating scene in the us had become so negative and jaded; i started to wish to god i was gay so i could tell them all to jump in a f'ing lake. i even asked one of my friends recently (guy friend on no ladder that i'm aware of), if it was possible that deep down i really hate women. after two minutes we decided this was poppycock as not only do i prefer the company of women in every sphere of social interaction, i do desperately love fucking them. when i have sex it does not feel like grudge sex vs. the whole gender. i have no [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) fantasies or feel emasculated and some primal urge to reassert our waning power in this the pinnacle of rich fat bastard gets the hot chicks country.
for the past few years i've been moaning about the loss of a true alpha male's ability to obtain power and money and then therefore women. in the us it is man most devious, backstabbing and lying, and some dumb luck and in some cases a ton of hard work who gets stinky rich. very few if any of the really rich guys in the world would you call paragons of virtue. they certainly aren't the sort of guy a woman calls on when they're in a dark alley confronted by some real goons. hurricane katrina convinced me that any first world country is only one decent disaster from reverting back to dog eat dog, where the real alpha males will assert themselves. a real alpha male, connected intimately to his primal past, has an ability to adapt and survive in the face of real death possibilities. he has the ability to remain calm and effective faced with immediate peril. he has the ability to organize and lead groups of people to do his bidding from strength of will and magnetism of personality. he is able to be appropriately violent when necessary and compassionate and fair when possible. picture your average american fat cat and tell me if the shit really hit the fan, how long they would last. much like in spartacus, the rich land owners were turned into gladiatorial amusement rather quickly. when the thin veneer of police is stripped away, real physical prowess is once again king.
even with that said, in the caveman, law of the jungle situation you still have the exact same ladder. the woman are now just placing men on either ladder with the pie chart being heavily tilted to power....not nearly so much as money. as soon as stuff settles into something more than anarchy the urge to be with the most powerful man with the most money would start all up again, until over time, undoubtedly the money would once again reign supreme.
to top it off, the real strong cavemen, few of us there are remaining, were further weakened by the introduction of an effective birth control for women. now they get to choose when and where they breed. men no longer can even dictate when they get to impregnate their conquests.
so, i've taken all my little tidbits of my own theories and after reading the ladder theory, i realize that i was only biting at the coattails of the real evil: women are simply all *****s in some way or the other, and for some reason this is considered a bad thing that you cannot talk about and due to the word ***** conversation ends immediately without any ability to intelligently discuss the topic with anyone possessing a pair of tits.
well, i'll just go change my match profile and realize that sadly i'm not likely to change my mind regarding the wonderfully depressing truth that the ladder theory is the most intelligent thing ever written about male female relationships!
in the mall recently i happened to walk by one of those kiosk's with an attractive female manning the operation. this one radared in on me like an infrared beam, got up and hustled over to me as i was looking at the lottery numbers at the candy/newstand next door, draped an arm over my shoulder
like we were best friends, and started her pitch. my response was a stern "get your hand off me right now," after which she looked like she had been cattle prodded and left. naturally, i felt like an asshole and thought i could have been a little nicer. then, thinking about the thousands of times she most likely has done the same thing in different ways to guys; i felt alot better.
just last nite as i was walking down the street an attractive young lady standing outside a crowded bar gave me a nice smile and actually acknowledged my male presence. of course i had stop, after which she says come here and pulls me by a door and tells me she wants to read my palm and come inside for a consultation to a little hole in the wall joint next to the bar. after that realization i left abruptly and felt like a fool.
it's a damn shame when you can go about your business and not get one single sign of human recognition, greeting, or smile from a female here in nyc unless it pertains to money or getting something from you. everyone gets the respect of a human being, even the homeless are cool if you just acknowledge their existence as people, but females (young attractive 23-39) "cant seem to get out of their own way" as will smith in hitch said, and get on with life and respect people.
i've been running around the past six months with quite a chip on my shoulder depressed at how mercenary american women are. i've lived overseas in various places for more than twenty years and us women are without doubt the most blatant intellectual *****s on the planet. i do think that any society and any culture will move to a ladder theory paradigm, just given enough time, crass development and materialism. capitalism simply accentuates the fact that male female relationships do indeed function exactly as described in the ladder theory. the idea that historically a woman has always have had to ""marry up may be a sort of social darwinism that is also self-evident but doesn't begin to address the true nature of women's natural propensity, regardless of social pressure to be intellectual *****s (or *****s of pick your flavor variety).
my negative opinion of trying to fit into the dating scene in the us had become so negative and jaded; i started to wish to god i was gay so i could tell them all to jump in a f'ing lake. i even asked one of my friends recently (guy friend on no ladder that i'm aware of), if it was possible that deep down i really hate women. after two minutes we decided this was poppycock as not only do i prefer the company of women in every sphere of social interaction, i do desperately love fucking them. when i have sex it does not feel like grudge sex vs. the whole gender. i have no [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) fantasies or feel emasculated and some primal urge to reassert our waning power in this the pinnacle of rich fat bastard gets the hot chicks country.
for the past few years i've been moaning about the loss of a true alpha male's ability to obtain power and money and then therefore women. in the us it is man most devious, backstabbing and lying, and some dumb luck and in some cases a ton of hard work who gets stinky rich. very few if any of the really rich guys in the world would you call paragons of virtue.
ironsides,
i empathize with you, up to a point. you boast about true alpha males. i think that if you were one, you would not be whining about american women and would actually be doing somethng about american women!
some alpha men i have met have decied to f' aws and go abroad looking for wives and girlfriends. you lived abroad. why you didn't marry one of the locals rather than come back here and deal with aw bs is beyond me. you need to completely forget about aws as potential partners and look to foreign women as wife material.
It's a damn shame when you can go about your business and not get one single sign of human recognition, greeting, or smile from a female here in NYC unless it pertains to money or getting something from you. Everyone gets the respect of a human being, even the homeless are cool if you just acknowledge their existence as people, but females (young attractive 23-39) "cant seem to get out of their own way" as Will Smith in Hitch said, and get on with life and respect people.
You are very correct. But it is not their fault. US society has become far more capitalistic than it was 30 or 40 years ago. Entertainment and the media teach women to use their sex appeal for material gain. Feminists teach them to hide their sex appeal when it comes to real sex or love.
When car ads have half naked women in them, when Janet Jackson strips on the Super Bowl, when Britney Spears flaunts her 'miniskirt and no panties' look
American women pick up on this and learn that sexy looks are to be used for getting money from men. They also learn it is not to be used for showing love toward men.
I do not expect things to change any time soon. So my advice is what I just said, look abroad for wife/girlfriend material.
IMHO, the ladder theory should be required reading for all young American men of dating age (15 years old and above).
in the mall recently i happened to walk by one of those kiosk's with an attractive female manning the operation. this one radared in on me like an infrared beam, got up and hustled over to me as i was looking at the lottery numbers at the candy/newstand next door, draped an arm over my shoulder
like we were best friends, and started her pitch. my response was a stern "get your hand off me right now," after which she looked like she had been cattle prodded and left. naturally, i felt like an asshole and thought i could have been a little nicer. then, thinking about the thousands of times she most likely has done the same thing in different ways to guys; i felt alot better.
just last nite as i was walking down the street an attractive young lady standing outside a crowded bar gave me a nice smile and actually acknowledged my male presence. of course i had stop, after which she says come here and pulls me by a door and tells me she wants to read my palm and come inside for a consultation to a little hole in the wall joint next to the bar. after that realization i left abruptly and felt like a fool.
it's a damn shame when you can go about your business and not get one single sign of human recognition, greeting, or smile from a female here in nyc unless it pertains to money or getting something from you. everyone gets the respect of a human being, even the homeless are cool if you just acknowledge their existence as people, but females (young attractive 23-39) "cant seem to get out of their own way" as will smith in hitch said, and get on with life and respect people.100 % agree with what new york city has became.
also, i wanted to say that " intelectual *****s" are the nice guys/nurds; who listen to american women's crap. over here at wsg, the term for these males is " emotional tampons". the women who uses these "intelectual *****s" are known as the ip aka intelectual pimps.
finally, i think college/ school should offer a class based on this theory.
Long Stroker
12-31-06, 23:07
This is almost as good as learning that blowjobs cure cancer. Almost.
Housework cuts breast cancer risk
Women who exercise by doing the housework can reduce their risk of breast cancer, a study suggests.
The research on more than 200,000 women from nine European countries found doing household chores was far more cancer protective than playing sport.
Dusting, mopping and vacuuming was also better than having a physical job.
The women in the Cancer Research UK-funded study spent an average of 16 to 17 hours a week cooking, cleaning and doing the washing.
Experts have long known that physical exercise can reduce the risk of breast cancer, probably through hormonal and metabolic changes.
But it has been less clear how much and what types of exercise are necessary for this risk reduction.
And much of past work has examined the link between exercise and breast cancer in post-menopausal women only.
The latest study looked at both pre- and post-menopausal women and a range of activities, including work, leisure and housework.
All forms of physical activity combined reduced the breast cancer risk in post-menopausal women, but had no obvious effect in pre-menopausal women.
Out of all of the activities, only housework significantly reduced the risk of both pre- and post-menopausal women getting the disease.
Housework cut breast cancer risk by 30% among the pre-menopausal women and 20% among the post-menopausal women.
The women were studied over an average of 6.4 years, during which time there were 3,423 cases of breast cancer.
The international authors said their results suggested that moderate forms of physical activity, such as housework, may be more important than less frequent but more intense recreational physical activity in reducing breast cancer risk.
Dr Lesley Walker of Cancer Research UK said: "We already know that women who keep a healthy weight are less likely to develop breast cancer.
"This study suggests that being physically active may also help reduce the risk and that something as simple and cheap as doing the housework can help."
He recommend that men and women take regular exercise and maintain a healthy body weight to help prevent cancer.
The research is published in the journal Cancer Epidemiology Biomarkers and Prevention.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/health/6214655.stm
100 % agree with what new york city has became.
Also, I wanted to say that " intelectual *****s" are the Nice guys/nurds; who listen to american women's crap. Over here at wsg, the term for these males is " emotional tampons". The women who uses these "intelectual *****s" are known as the IP aka intelectual pimps.
Finally, I think college/ school should offer a class based on this theory.
It at the very least needs serious academic study for validation.purposes.
B9k
Just wondering if anyone else has had any experience with the following websites:
seekingarrangement.com
sugardaddyforme.com
sugardaddy.com
I signed up for the first one and in one week have meet some great girls. I have saved the airfare and get a girl for about $135 a pop. Most of the girls are auditioning for a permanent relationship and are very GFE, non-pros. I have enjoyed 3 meetings already this week and am very happy with my membership there.
Let me know if anyone else has had experience with the site. Thanks.
Happy Chappy
01-01-07, 06:42
O.K. let's assume that like many here you have given up American women. One option is to work towards basing your life in another country where the women are much towards your liking. Whilst I am all for this and have plans myself, often this strategy for various reasons can take a long time to come to fruition. So the question is how to cope in the meantime?
Of course another strategy is marry a girl from overseas and bring her back to your home country, however I have read about this going horribly wrong because of them being "americanized" extremely quickly then developing the same attitudes we hate in a short space of time! Also will they cope with life for good in a much different country to where they came from?
Now most of us can monger overseas on our holidays and have a great time. But most of us get maybe 2-4 weeks a year to do this, not enough to cure my sexual urges! I guess we can visit sex workers in our own country maybe but they are often lousy experiences and way way way overpriced.
What I have not read much about on these forums are guys that maybe fly a girl from Thailand or wherever they hooked up with a nice girl o/s back to their home country for say a month or so. I was wondering of this as I have had a couple of experiences where girls have asked me to come back to Australia for a trip. I say they would be bored as I have to work all day and they say that is fine and they are bored anyway so would love to come and just play housekeeper and see me outside work hours. Now they probably have ideas maybe of marriage and you rescuing them out of relative poverty, but could everyone win if you fly them over for a month of great sex everyday, give them a bit of pocket money and maybe see them another time. Then they don't become too "americanized" or attached.
Much better value for money than forking out big $$ on expensive dates with local fat women who don't put out anyway. The main risk though I see is the girl you fly out turns into a "bunny boiler" and develops some major attraction and gets set on marrying you and you have a physcho on your hands that you have to get to leave your premises and country!
Anyway has anyone done this sort of thing and tell me if it is a crazy/stupid idea or how it has gone?
cheers.
OldIronsides
01-01-07, 09:26
Yes, I have my expat plans lined up pretty firmly but as was just posted, will certainly need a plan in the meantime to deal with AW's. My plan is to NOT deal with them. My last GF here in the States was Japanese (been here about ten years though). I simply don't even bother with American chicks. My interim plan might include going back in the Army just so I can be stationed overseas. Anywhere. LOL. I hear there are even some hot Iraqi women if you can get them to unstrap the TNT.
So since I read the Ladder Theory the other day, I've been damn near pulling a Jehovah's Witness going door to door telling any woman I can find about this new wonderful discovery. I was planning on getting a pretty harsh reaction from them, but so far 3 out of 4 not only aren't shocked, they agree that is how it works. You can see in the faces as I'm explaining the Ladder Theory that they've been stripped to their *****ish inner core and almost seem relieved to have someone understand what they've been up to LOL. :.)
I also am running around prostelitizing the crime that is no realistic prostitution for men in the US. A a previous poster commented, in the US, you have your VERY expensive call girls and your 20 dollar crack *****s. There is next to nothing in between. You'd have to be dead crazy to go with the 20 buck (she's negotiate down if you're a tad short of 20), and the call girls are way too expensive to be viable as a sexual release. American women hate prostitutes so much not because they're men might get STD's with them, but because if a guy has regular access to a GFE for roughly fifty bucks or less, then the guy wouldn't have to jump through all the hoops a guy has to do to get laid. No form of decent prostitution in the US has forced men to blatantly lie that they aren't just looking to get in your pants (initially anyway) and women eat that stuff up and then look aghast at any guy who tells them to wake up, all dudes just want in your pants (as long as you're hot enough for them to rank on their ladder that is LOL). So you have a dating scene in the US completely based on lies that is totally slanted in the woman's favor. If a guy had decent prostitution services available to him, he would be able to go out on dates and decide if he really like the girl, could see spending lots of time with her, plan a future etc. WITHOUT having to do and say dumb shit just to get in her pants. I tell this one girl I know, who promoted me up from cuddlebitch by the way, that she will have no idea what kind of guy she is even dealing with until after you've had she's had sex with him. She was always waiting on the magical four dates to make herself feel good about it and really believed making him wait that amount of time would allow her to get to know him better. I finally convinced her that she is only meeting the part of the guy who will do any say anything to get in her pants. After he hits the poo poo platter special, THEN maybe she can figure out who he really is.
So I was discussing this with her tonight as our New Year's talk LOL. And she said, well as you're so firmly convinced the Ladder Theory is spot on, what is the solution. I thought for a second and realized. There is no solution. But I couldn't feel more relieved and happy. I'm happy because I can let go of my bitterness and it all seems so clear to me now. I will just stick with foreign chicks and or pro's for my playtime. If some AW wants to fuck me cause I'm the bad boy type so be it. I'll just hit it and quit it. Which is all she's doing anyway. It used to bother me a bit to be a 40 year old boy toy but now I'll just tell them flat out how far up or down on my ladder they are. And if they don't like that. I'll just tell them about the trip I'm taking Jan 10th to Curacao and all about Campo. That should shut them up.
Long live Ladder Theory!
OldIronsides
01-01-07, 09:30
Oh, I forgot to add. The professional GFE. Now that really scares the crap out of American Women. They would lose all their power over a guy if we had regular access to providers who gave a GFE. Really the entire dating scene here would be flipped on it's head if your average woman couldn't use your own penis against you.
Do you really think we should give up on American women?
OldIronsides
01-01-07, 20:57
I'm sorry JFinder, but all those pictures do is reaffirm my disgust. It's a good thing that many men in the US find paris hilton appealing, in that weird slutty way. Those pics of her little rubbery nasty clam is enough to make me lose a perfectly good woody. Hey to each their own, but I think she's the poster child of what is wrong with US chicks. They are either holding sex out as the ultimate bargaining tool, or they're flaunting it on our faces after what so blithely another poster pointed out, is due to early childhood conditioning of how a girl should be slutty and somehow virtuous at the same time, as educated by COSMO magazine et al.
I like my games simple. Sexual mental twister seems to be popular in the US, but I guess I'm just tired of the carousel ride here. Thank God there are such things as reasonable priced GFE pro's in the world.
To switch gears slighly, I feel bad for our servicemen overseas. They get to risk their lives with virtually no access to even a basic blowjob. And don't say it's just as well as it'll save marriages. Jody is back home with the poor guys wife more times than you can imagine.
I did a year in Iraq (tanks 1st Armored Div), so I empathasize with any of our brave military members over there, but I no shit garauntee you if there was ANY local pussy to be had over there, the situation would be infinately better for them. No wonder no one wants to visit that part of the world. Aside from violence, my God look at the forums on this site. It's a desert of reports for obvious reasons. Next time we fight a war, it sure as shit had better be in a place with some damn hookers jesus!
Screw the magnetic yellow ribbon stickers on cars, guys who go over there should have some lifetime free blowjob service or something. So come on US chicks do your patriotic duty! lol
Sinanju Master
01-02-07, 00:57
Man, NYE night was a wakeup call with the volume knob turned all the way to the RIGHT! I went out on the town with a couple pals to our favorite dive and in my alcohol-induced stupor, I noticed Low-Ladder ho’s being fawned over by drunken boneheads who don’t know any better. The best of the bunch weren’t anything to write home about AND they were already taken. They came and went, but the one that hung around the longest was a class-LESS act. She laffed like a hyena and chain smoked like a ragged SW way past her prime while sashaying her cellulite-laden body around in a tight-fitting, low-cut black dress. One of my pals wanted to fuck this one broad who looked 50 on a GOOD DAY in LOW LIGHTING. I deftly steered him away from her and was later creeped out to find she had more interest in ME than my bud. That shit is all the motivation I need for a much desired prison break and to jettison AW’s from the airlock into the void of space….
Happy Chappy
01-02-07, 10:53
Oh, I forgot to add. The professional GFE. Now that really scares the crap out of American Women. They would lose all their power over a guy if we had regular access to providers who gave a GFE. Really the entire dating scene here would be flipped on it's head if your average woman couldn't use your own penis against you.
I agree, one of many reasons the brothels can not compete well with American Women is many of us men like me in particular, still crave that GFE that a brothel can not provide. However in many places in other countries for US$50 you can get a very decent girl for GFE, now I am talking about a girl that is attractive, will spend an entire day with you, will go out of her way to make sure you are happy 24/7 (instead of us having to do this to the woman!), and will have sex as many times as you please. I guess I was wondering if anyone has tried to bring this experience ( a girl from o/s) back to their home country for a few weeks. i.e. for those of us who are still working on their plan to base themselves o/s, and don't want the potential issues of bringing a girl back permanently to marry....
At the moment I can take maybe up to 5 weeks vaction, but I need that bit extra GFE to satisfy my urges.
Do you really think we should give up on American women?Your pathetic, using celebrities snap shots, and some of them are not even real.
Do you really think we should give up on American women?Your pathetic, using celebrities snap shots, and some of them are not even real.
Do you really think we should give up on American women?
Yes......... Jfinder you have zero chance of scoring with any of those AW pictured unless you're tooling around in an OIL tanker full of $$$$$$$$.
Yes......You have zero chance of scoring with any of those AW pictured unless you're tooling around in an OIL tanker full of $$$$$$$$.
I disagree. Anyone can score with an AW if she is a psychopath and into you for the moment. I offer Kevin Federline as an example. He is as broke as a man can be yet he has 4 kids by 2 different women. Now with his divordce from Britney he will be getting a huge settlement.
Now K-Fed / Fed-Ex has no talent. He is not handsome by traditional standards. He has never had any money to speak of. Two AWs went psycho enough to let him score unprotected with them TWICE!!!!
If you have the 'game' to pull a K-Fed, then go for it. Unfortunately for us other losers, we are too talented and too handsome to be able to pull that off. So we must go after foreign women!
George,
Assuming a person were talented or gifted enough to score with an American woman, who the hell would want one. Their personalities, large bodies, and slovenly habits make them the least desirable of woman-kind.
Lex
LifeSavour
01-02-07, 19:07
Do you really think we should give up on American women?Your post and pics make no F'ing sense?
LS Guy
Pictures of Britney's c*nt yeah nice and all but she is going through a divorce just now and she will be f*cking up some dudes life.
So she is rich and she is a sex bomb just now but be careful as bombs tend to explode.
Id stick with a nice asian who knows how to treat her man.
Horny
OldIronsides
01-03-07, 08:42
Ok, as I'm about to get a MAJOR dose of Chicka's in Curacao at Campo Alegre, I thought it would be nice to point out that I'm still pretty obsessed with Asian women. My last gf was Japanese, and going through the photo gallery, the Asian section is always where I wind up. I like the sexy attitude of Latinas but those little hot smoking bodies of Asians just won't quit. I suppose when you add in that the VAST majority of American Woman are seriously fat, that adds to the little Asian girl fantasy.
Today at the Gym I saw a couple of really hot AW..but the gym is about the only place you'll see any. But even still, there was on Vietnamese girl in there to die for...totally made me forget any other chick in there.
I'll give reports when I get back from Curacao see how I find them gals down there, but yeah.in general AW can suck my left nut! Except for that Rubbery pussy on Paris Hilton. Yuck. I'd have to be totally drunk to fuck that ugly one!
CBGBConnisur
01-03-07, 12:39
Women like Paris and Britney are typical American females, you need a tanker full of $$$ to have any chance with that type of AW. You need money to get any decent AW female. I rather spend my cash in Eastern Europe, due to slower economic conditions than in most rich countries it is easy to find pussy for hire. Miami seems to be an exception to the rule of America being a sex prison but that is because of the very large Hispanic immigrant population, still its much, much better to go abroad, the South American pussy in Miami goes up in price considerably when imported into Miami.
Eastern European and Russian women when they are in their own countries are a world above anything in America or elsewhere in the West. When they go to a Western country they turn into an expensive diamond.
George,
Assuming a person were talented or gifted enough to score with an American woman, who the hell would want one. Their personalities, large bodies, and slovenly habits make them the least desirable of woman-kind.
Lex
Of course you are correct. I was being sarcastic.
DJ FourMoney
01-04-07, 12:38
Actually....
Living in Los Angeles, you would be SHOCKED how easy it is to hook up with amazing talent. As with most industires, actors tend to date others in the places in which they work because that's who they SEE all the time.
Women are affaid of being a "notch" in the bedpost of some guy. That also goes for famous women. Actors date "nobodys" all the time. Why not you?
You just have to be where they are. Im being serious about this. Just like your not going to date a stripper without visiting the strip club every so often, your not going to meet anybody in "Hollywood" without going to typical hangouts and parties. Hangouts tend to have "VIP" areas, so parties work best.
I remember going to the party for the Laker's final championship run DVD release and I was within arms reach of Phil Jackson, Derck Fisher and Marcus Allen formerly of the Raiders (I don't count his Chiefs run...) and there was grade A pussy everywhere you looked.
That's all you REALLY have to do. If you HAVE to date an American woman, why not start at the top? She already has tons of money, she doesn't need yours unless she's Zsa Zsa Gabor...
I bet if you're a nice looking guy with some game and prolly white, you could tap Britney Spears. Afterall, she'll prolly think with 2 kids nobody is going to want her... Jennifer Connelly was a single and undating mother for several years before making her come back in Hollywood, think about it...
I didn't have the "means" to be able to pursue girls on that level. That is about to change. But honestly I don't think I'll even bother.
Though I have Flower Tucci on my list...
CBGBConnisur
01-04-07, 15:45
The point is that the average female isn't a super rich athlete or movie star. Britney Spears and Angelina could get all the cock they want, when you got their millions, the world is your oyster too. The real issue is that in the real world, in most English speaking countries, its hard to find good pussy. Go to a good South American country or in Eastern Europe and quality pussy becomes much more plentiful that the "regular" guy might have a chance.
Personally I thought the only good city in the US is Miami, with a HUGE Hispanic population and large number of tourists from around the world, its easy to hook up in Miami. Most of these women are "foreign".
I bet if you're a nice looking guy with some game and prolly white, you could tap Britney Spears. Afterall, she'll prolly think with 2 kids nobody is going to want her...
Prolly? Is that even a word??
Seriously though, Paris and Brittney and women like them have VERY little to do with reality as most of us know it.
It's not just the women, life here in general seems to be getting faker and more expensive by the day.
Rock
It's not just the women, life here in general seems to be getting faker and more expensive by the day.
Rock
I was thinking the same thing. Los Angeles is not referred to as LaLaLand for nothing.
DJ4M,
If you seriously consider Britney, Paris, and the VIP girls of SoCal as women in whom the rest of us should invest our hard earned money, scarce time and energy, then you have been living in LaLaLand too long. Spend some time in Oakland, Indianapolis, Gary, Baton Rouge, Roxbury, New Jersey, Philly, and other places much less glamorous than where you are, and get a better perspective.
Bango Cheito
01-05-07, 06:43
You guys have to be kidding me. Some of you are actually talking like Britney and her friends aren't DISGUSTING! If that really were an example of the best women America had to offer we'd be in even worse shape. God, those photos make me wanna puke, with her nasty pimply snatch and her dumpy out-of-shape ass. I don't see the attraction at all!
OldIronsides
01-05-07, 07:04
Bango you are so right! I've never seen a more disgusting Rubbery looking pussy on a chic that is supposed to be hot than on Paris Hilton. I agree, these are supposed to be the US hotties?
You want to know something funny as hell. I was just about to type "If you want to see a hot American chick, I loved that Eva Green in the new Bond flick Casino Royale". But before I decided to type that I suddenly thought to myself..wait..that chic is so hot she CAN'T be an American. Sure as shit I looked her up on an internet movie database and she was born in Paris. Her birth name was Eva Gaëlle Green.
If you read her bio, you'll see she's very multicultural and has some smarts to do with her big ol titties.
But see, doesn't that figure. I was picking out the hottest chick I'd seen in the movies lately, and of course even she isn't an American lol :-)
And Paris is as fake as they get - a dozen plastic surgeries, huge $ spent on clothes/makeup/hair - and she still is homely as all hell. Give me an AVERAGE girl in Asia, South America, or Eastern Europe and I'll get far better looks, performance in bed, brains, and no BS or attitude!
Paris etc are the perfect metaphors for American women - all show, hype and bluster, and not worth the trouble.
The standards are so pathetically low in this country. Auggghhhhh!
CBGBConnisur
01-05-07, 17:52
And Paris is as fake as they get - a dozen plastic surgeries, huge $ spent on clothes/makeup/hair - and she still is homely as all hell. Give me an AVERAGE girl in Asia, South America, or Eastern Europe and I'll get far better looks, performance in bed, brains, and no BS or attitude!
Paris etc are the perfect metaphors for American women - all show, hype and bluster, and not worth the trouble.
The standards are so pathetically low in this country. Auggghhhhh!
Just don't bring back your South American chica or Eastern European babe back home, they have a habit of social climbing once inside a rich Western country. I heard Giselle Bundchen who is from Brazil didn't have enough money to buy McDonald's she is now the richest model in the US. Maria Sharapova is cashing in too.
Ivana Trump married a Canadian to get into the West, she dumped him to work as a model and then married Donald Trump, so the advice is never to bring the woman back to the US or any other English speaking country, anywhere where Oprah is on TV.
Sasha Coffee
01-05-07, 19:42
Well guys hold on to your hats your in for a bumpy ride.
America is slowing changing the world. Women the world over are watching Oprah and becoming more like American women every day. We read your magazines about Jennifer and Angelina and every other skinny celeb in Lala Land and we lap it up.
Women the world over are expecting more and more from their men and we are expecting them to have better jobs better pay, better prospects and yet what do we offer in return. I have to agree with the men of this forum that we offer nothing except bad attitudes and princess style behaviour.
It makes me smile that you feel if you look to the East that the women are more accommodating, I think you're right, but then as soon as you get them home to a Western country the change. Of course they will they will copy what they see, no matter how much you don't want them to.
Relax guys knows that every cycle has it day and pray that when your sons are looking for partners that the cycle has changed and women are back to just being women, not some incarnation of Super *****.
OldIronsides
01-05-07, 19:43
hey cb,
that opens up a whole new can of worms. opruhhh....really is the poster child of what is wrong with women in this country. the fact women get all teary eyed at stuff she has on her show tells you all you need to know as a guy. they have no concept that guys just want sex..if the sex is good enough and she's nice enough and hot enough, he'll stick around for what women call a "relationship".
again not saying guys don't enjoy spending time with one woman, being in a stable relationship but if the sex isn't through the roof, he'll be looking elsewhere even if only part time. if he's not getting sex elsewhere he's spending a lot of his time thinking or fantasizing about getting it. that is the basic male composition and it sickens opruhhh types to even consider that it is the truth. here is another reason why women fear hookers---if men really do want sex as the basis for their interaction with women, then the women figure out they'd better be good at it. another major problem with american women. i've had to spend ridiculous hours trying to wade through a bunch of mental bs just to get in a girl's pants. i always go the honesty route, and basically educate them on a modified ladder theory. i could speed up the booty getting by just giving them what they want to hear, but i'm not built for those kind of lies.
it's not wonder with opruhh's and other media feeding them tripe, that i have to "deprogram' women to even enjoy themselves. for instance, i'm banging a chick right now that is used to seriously hot dudes. i work out a lot and have not a hella lot of trouble getting women in general. she showed me her last bf's pic, and he had a very nice body as well. needless to say sexually she's used to guys like us, with a six pack etc. but guys like us can get sex from a variety of sources so why settle on any one chick? so they're left with the "players" who they want to have sex with, but want the money and stability of the rich ugly dude..or average looking dude who they don't have chemistry with. this partly explains why a lot of women just sell out and go for the money and cheat on the side with the pool boy. the marriage didn't go bad, that was their plan deep down from the very beginning. so if you're gonna be mercenary about it, don't even begin to criticize my desire to have pro's service my sexual needs. less hassle, less lies, more direct, yada yada, you mongerers know all the rest of that story! lol
so, fuck opruhh, and fuck all the chicks who think there are "decent" guys out there who aren't just looking for sex. those "decent" guys are just feeing them a line of crap as their method of getting in their pants, that's all!
OldIronsides
01-05-07, 19:58
Sorry I forgot to add:
This has been gone over by social psychologists and the like several times already but I always like bashing the PRINCE CHARMING syndrome, my version of it anyway.
So, let's take a look at Prince Charming: Women think he's all noble and chivalrous, will save her from "insert here her troubles", only thinks about and desires her to the point that it seems no other women even exist in the kingdom and he takes her away to his castle.
Ok here is how you break down Prince Charming: First of all he's a Prince. When you ever heard of a POOR Pince....like never..and sure not in this fantasy fairy tale that the vast majority of American woman are really living in. So, he's rich. What about that horse he rides on. The Horse in medieval times was a status symbol of the rich as only nobility could afford to house and feed an animal like that. Easy enough translation right: the Horse is the analogy for a Ferrari or Mercedes or Aston Martin. Ok, so what about our Prince.isn't he dressed pretty snapily. Takes MONEY to dress nice like that all the time doesn't it? As far as him having only eyes for one girl. It's like women want a guy to have a lobotomy where they are so unidirectional they can only see straight ahead. What guy have you ever met that seemed even vaguely normal who did NOT find a vast array of woman desireable? So Prince Charming seemingly has either had some cranial surgery or is an axe murderer obsessed with only woman to the point that he'll do anything to get her. Here's the real kicker. Prince Charming is in great shape and is YOUNG!!!! What kind of woman does Prince Charming wind up with? A Young hot chick. This explains why so many woman are bitter as they get older having to compete with the younger girls...they know no real Prince Charming would choose their old tired asses, they want a nice young firm fleshed beauty...something they MIGHT have been once upon a time. The evil truth is guys get better with age, but women peak around 24 physically give or take two years. I'm 41 and my appeal has never been greater. I can get women of just about any age....so needless to say women my age now (who look like grandma to me personally) hate that while I might be their contemporary age wise, they couldnt' begin to interest me physically, at least for more than the random screw.
So Oppuuhhh.and others feeding them this idealized image of men...the Prince Charming syndrome is the crux of their unhappiness. According to Ladder Theory, there are very few really hot rich guys and their ladder is correspondingly difficult to climb, so is it any wonder that women give up the booty a few times, feel used and then make honest guys who just want some passion like me jump through hoops galore to get in their pants. Just let me pay a chica 30 bucks and I can skip all the bullshit! lol
Married a Russian girl and brought her back to the US , mind you we were both in our 20's at the time, I thought it would really work. She divorced me and married a doctor (20 years senior), now she she's back in school, does no housework (has cleaners come in) and spends $100 on her haircuts, the typical spoiled american woman.
But I got the last laugh(she has no clue) after divorcing me, I studied the stock market and in 3 years made a killings, and I'll retire by 45. Just when the child turns 18 and the support stops.
i know there's a certain segment of this thread that seems to think euro and aussie chicks are superior to aws (you guys know who you are) but i've always been of the opinion that they're just as bad, if not maybe even a little worse. here's a little glimpse of what's going on on the other side of the atlantic, and what could be coming here in the near future, courtesy of *western* women. perhaps we can change the abbreviation aw to ww?
now sit, ingvar
young women in sweden, germany and australia have a new cause: they want men to sit down while [CodeWord112] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112). this demand comes partly from concerns about hygiene -- avoiding the splash factor -- but, as jasper gerard reports in the english magazine the spectator, "more crucially because a man standing up to [CodeWord111] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111) is deemed to be triumphing in his masculinity, and by extension, degrading women." one argument is that if women can't do it, then men shouldn't either. another is that standing upright while relieving oneself is "a nasty macho gesture," suggestive of male violence.
a feminist group at stockholm university is campaigning to ban all urinals from campus, and one swedish elementary school has already removed them. in australia, an internet survey shows that 17 percent of those polled think men ought to sit, while 70 percent believe they should be allowed to stand. some swedish women are pressuring their men to take a stand, so to speak. yola, a 25-year-old swedish trainee psychiatrist, says she dumps boyfriends who insist on standing. "what else can i do?," said her new boyfriend, ingvar, who sits.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/johnleo/2000/08/17/another_harasser_brought_to_justice
I wouldn't sweat too much over shit like this (and by the way, I'm not saying Europe is absolutely hands down a paradise). This is very likely just some fringe extremism, with the media reporting the exception, not the rule (this came out of a mainstream publication right?). I'm actually more disturbed seeing a Euro media outlet acting like ours.....
Europe will never be -as bad- as the US for a couple of reasons:
1. Reasonable access to legal brothels. How much shit are you going to take off your woman when you can pop out and nail a goddess over your lunch hour....and you don't risk arrest, or have to spend a weeks pay on it.
2. Homogenaity among their female populace. Due to not having our epidemic of obesity (yes, I know that the W. Europeans are getting fatter...but still a looong way from here), hotties are not the scarce commodity that they are here. More supply means lower price (yes, i think like an economist about most everything)
3. No Puritanism. And along with that (again, I'm speaking relatively), no ridiculously overblown perceptions of the value of female sexuality.
Ok, gotta run....
B9k
Don't go thinking Europe is the promised land! In some ways, the women there are even worse than the ones here. They may be better looking and in better shape physically, but that isn't the whole package.
Ivana Trump is a pretty good example. Attractive yes, but she had her own agenda...... marrying some sucker and then dumping him once his usefulness had ended. Most of them are materialistic big-time. That's the main reason they want to hook up with guys from the US and Canada.
Europe is stagnant. The populations there aren't growing except for the immigrants they let in to do all the low-class jobs that the europeans didn't want to do themselves (sound familiar?) It's generally expensive place to live, with a lot of racism and the muslims are breeding like rats.
European women might be better looking, stylish and well dresssed...... but there's plenty of them who are cold-hearted visa scammers. I guess they'd be OK for recreational fucking esp. if you've got one in her own country. But that's about it.
Rock
CBGBConnisur
01-06-07, 17:40
Rock, Asian and South American women are almost as cunning as European women, that is why I commented to be with them in their own countries, have your fun, then leave them in their own countries.
Hey CB,
That opens up a whole new can of worms. Opruhhh....really is the poster child of what is wrong with women in this country....
So, fuck Opruhh, and fuck all the chicks who think there are "decent" guys out there who aren't just looking for sex. Those "decent" guys are just feeing them a line of crap as their method of getting in their pants, that's all!
Saw about two minutes the other day (all I could stand). Guests were Jay Leno (very famous late-night talk show host) and two other guys. Guess the topic was "let's get some honest answers from men about things troubling us". She asked about pornography (How on earth could a GF/wife not be threatened by it? Do all guys really look at it?), her voice dripping with horror & contempt. I hope one was honest enough to say "Any guy who denies looking at porn is a liar." But I'd had enough and turned it off.
I'm sure she didn't ask their views on prostitution, and I'm sure had she done so they would not have answered honestly.
Just another day in Sex Prison USA.
Happy Chappy
01-06-07, 21:51
Well guys hold on to your hats your in for a bumpy ride.
America is slowing changing the world. Women the world over are watching Oprah and becoming more like American women every day. We read your magazines about Jennifer and Angelina and every other skinny celeb in Lala Land and we lap it up.
Women the world over are expecting more and more from their men and we are expecting them to have better jobs better pay, better prospects and yet what do we offer in return. I have to agree with the men of this forum that we offer nothing except bad attitudes and princess style behaviour.
It makes me smile that you feel if you look to the East that the women are more accommodating, I think you're right, but then as soon as you get them home to a Western country the change. Of course they will they will copy what they see, no matter how much you don't want them to.
Relax guys knows that every cycle has it day and pray that when your sons are looking for partners that the cycle has changed and women are back to just being women, not some incarnation of Super *****.
I agree that bringing a girl home from the East is not a great strategy and they are likely to quickly adopt the attitudes of the Western country.
But if you stop wasting your money on the expensive clothes, cars, restaurants needed to impress a girl on a date, don't get caught out having to pay child support to them, and realize all this at a young enough age, you stand a fair chance by your mid 40's to spend most of your time abroad getting whatever you want. However most will not be able to handle the pressure from society in general i.e. the constant questioning of someone as soons as they hit 30 y o . e.g. why are you not in a relationship and settling down in a home with a wife and kids? Society assumes one could never be happy any other way in life.
Happy Chappy
01-06-07, 21:53
Married a Russian girl and brought her back to the US , mind you we were both in our 20's at the time, I thought it would really work. She divorced me and married a doctor (20 years senior), now she she's back in school, does no housework (has cleaners come in) and spends $100 on her haircuts, the typical spoiled american woman.
But I got the last laugh(she has no clue) after divorcing me, I studied the stock market and in 3 years made a killings, and I'll retire by 45. Just when the child turns 18 and the support stops.
This is what I am talking about. Well done mate you are on the right track.
Sinanju Master
01-07-07, 00:22
or you will be doomed to repeat it! NEVER, NEVER bring her home to the U.S.! Why ruin a good thing when you can live in HER country relatively like a king? The rumor among Third World Nations already is that the U.S. is a country whose streets are paved with gold. Literally no, figuratively and comparatively YES. If you bring your honey from her home country back here, all your positive attributes will fall by the wayside as she drools over the material things she now witnesses that she CAN have but did NOT HAVE in the past. Work its way into her psyche the Dark Side will! Beware, or forever (or at least until your progeny turns 18) will the Dark Side rule your destiny!
Chocha Monger
01-07-07, 01:39
Today, I was speaking on the phone with a chica from Latin America. She was distressed because her brother, who is in the US on a work visa, knocked up a girl from his home town who also happened to be a migrant worker in the US. She lamented the fact that the girl happened to be from a poor family with low social status and to make matters worst she was a "gordita" or, as we say, she had a few extra pounds.
Anyway, my girlfriend asked me why her brother chose this girl out of all the other women he could find in the US? "Could it be that the women in the US are no good and the poor girl was nice to him so he chose her instead?" she asked. I paused in deep thought as I realized that she had already arrived at the crux of the matter without any input from me. I quietly told her that her brother had most likely seen what AW were handing out and decided that he wanted no part of it. After thinking about it for a moment she decided that perhaps she judged her brother too harshly and maybe choosing a woman from his own country was for the best after all.
We hear so much about the immigrant women who arrive here and then quickly abandon their sponsors for greener pastures, but what about the immigrant men who marry AW and then end up getting fleeced by an AW ex-wife? I know immigrant men married to AW and frankly in many cases these guys are constantly being threaten with deportation by their wives if they don't give in to their every whim. Immigrant men married to AW probably have it worst than American men.
I've contemplated bringing a chica over on a vistor's visa in the past but others say that the risk of her bolting when her visit comes to an end is too great. Even bringing a wife in on a visitor's visa is fraught with risks because if she wants to stay in the US bad enough she might be tempted to accuse her husband of some pretty nasty stuff in order to obtain protected status under the immigration regulations.
OldIronsides
01-07-07, 01:53
I agree that bringing a girl home from the East is not a great strategy and they are likely to quickly adopt the attitudes of the Western country.
But if you stop wasting your money on the expensive clothes, cars, restaurants needed to impress a girl on a date, don't get caught out having to pay child support to them, and realize all this at a young enough age, you stand a fair chance by your mid 40's to spend most of your time abroad getting whatever you want. However most will not be able to handle the pressure from society in general i.e. the constant questioning of someone as soons as they hit 30 y o . e.g. why are you not in a relationship and settling down in a home with a wife and kids? Society assumes one could never be happy any other way in life.This is exactly what I mostly avoided. I have no kids, I'm divorced and getting married again is about the last thing that could ever happen to me again! My marriage wasn't bad at all, we're still "essentially" friends, but in the last few months all my personal theories of why I was always discontent regardless of how much pussy I was getting came into bitter sharp focus. I feel and also tell any ***** I can find that she no longer has the power of pussy over me. I truly feel I've been radicalized in the most wonderful way. I feel like I was on some evil gerbil wheel unable to see that I was getting nowhere substantive fast. There are a number of women that are ok with friends with benefits and such not to keep me from being completely bereft of pussy despite my now firm and vocal assertion that all women are *****s, and my lack of fully understanding ladder theory caused me to be unhappy.
I was at a party the other night, and this 40'ish, rich chick who thought she was way hotter than she was, at one point in my bashing of AW in general said, "I've already tuned you out". I laughed pretty good and said, "Well, I've tuned out your entire gender". I just feel so liberated I can hardly begin to describe it. If anything I do wish I had come across this dedication to the cause of male freedom from AW pussy power about a decade earlier. At 41 though, I'm completely capable of still making good use of my remaining sperm count with women that have not overvalued their sexual appeal.
Of course all of this happiness is mostly due to the fact I never had kids (and sure as shit aren't ever going to have any) Well, better late than never, but I may have to start going Jehovah's witness with some younger guys to try to make them see the light!
Mr Enternational
01-07-07, 05:29
Today, I was speaking on the phone with a chica from Latin America. She was distressed because her brother, who is in the US on a work visa, knocked up a girl from his home town who also happened to be a migrant worker in the US. She lamented the fact that the girl happened to be from a poor family with low social status and to make matters worst she was a "gordita" or, as we say, she had a few extra pounds.
Anyway, my girlfriend asked me why her brother chose this girl out of all the other women he could find in the US? "Could it be that the women in the US are no good and the poor girl was nice to him so he chose her instead?" she asked. I paused in deep thought as I realized that she had already arrived at the crux of the matter without any input from me. I quietly told her that her brother had most likely seen what AW were handing out and decided that he wanted no part of it. After thinking about it for a moment she decided that perhaps she judged her brother too harshly and maybe choosing a woman from his own country was for the best after all.
We hear so much about the immigrant women who arrive here and then quickly abandon their sponsors for greener pastures, but what about the immigrant men who marry AW and then end up getting fleeced by an AW ex-wife? I know immigrant men married to AW and frankly in many cases these guys are constantly being threaten with deportation by their wives if they don't give in to their every whim. Immigrant men married to AW probably have it worst than American men.
I've contemplated bringing a chica over on a vistor's visa in the past but others say that the risk of her bolting when her visit comes to an end is too great. Even bringing a wife in on a visitor's visa is fraught with risks because if she wants to stay in the US bad enough she might be tempted to accuse her husband of some pretty nasty stuff in order to obtain protected status under the immigration regulations.I would much rather have the immigrant gordita that these AWs.
You shouldn't have any problems bringing a girl over if you know her. I mean just bringing some hooker that you fucked two times is a different story. You would be setting yourself up for a loss. Choose wisely and invite someone with an education and someone who has a real job and like I said someone who you are friends with. Then you won't have any problem with her trying to dip. Hell, she will be just as ready to get back home as you are to get her to leave.
As a poor migrant worker, I doubt he had his pick of the litter of AW's.
Besides, it's simple human nature to gravitate to what is familiar, has that smell/feel of childhood and simpler times. Especially being in a foreign country where one speaks the language poorly (I presume).
I hear all the time of people of any social station or race marrying some childhood friend or acquaintance they hadn't seen in 20 years. It's comforting.
Speaking of Oprah.....
She's been in the news a lot las of late. It seems she spent $40 million of her own money to fund this school for underprivileged young girls....... in South Africa. Huh? South Africa you may ask....... why there, and not in the USA? Surely we have plenty of underpriviledged girls here. Well, the answer to that is quite interesting and it tells you something about the way Oprah works.
As it happens, she did want to set up this school in the US. However, a couple of things got in the way. She had a whole bunch of restrictions set up such as no drinking, getting pregnant etc. while attending her school. There would have been too much potential for legal challenges over individual rights and stuff like that.
Also, Oprah noticed that a lot of kids in underpriviledged areas (ie. black kids) seem to display a serious lack of motivation. When asked what was important to them, they'd say stuff like an ipod or new sneakers. The kids in S Africa would say stuff like "give me a uniform so I can go to school". Needless to say, Oprah was a lot more impressed by those ones.
What does this tell us about the big O? Well, to give credit where credit is due, she is willing to use her own money to benefit others. But only the ones SHE DEEMS to be worthy. Also, as I've said before, Oprah never picks a fight that she might lose. She never goes after a target that might have some level of support from society in general. Those behavioral restrictions, with the potential for legal challenges, might not go over too well with the public image that O has carefully crafted for so many years.
All students must be 11 or 12 years old, with potential, but from disadvantaged backgrounds. One last thing, the school is for GIRLS ONLY. Is this about helping others, or turning out a bunch of little South African Oprah clones? Makes you wonder.
Rock
Doctor_Skank
01-07-07, 22:09
What does this tell us about the big O?
What does the fact the US kids only care about iPods and sneakers and underprivelaged South African youth actually want to learn so they can get out of their misery tell us?
If men are not deflected from such women (high earning career women) by their statistics for divorce and adultery, they might be deflected by those on coronary heart disease. According to the Framingham Heart Study, men married to women with thirteen or more years of education were 2.6 times more likely to have coronaries. If these women are in addition liberated to work outside the home the men are 7.6 times more likely to have coronaries..................
OldIronsides
01-08-07, 05:22
Ty, that was an awesome quote. Yes, dating Ameriwitches can definately be hazardous to your health. You know that I've suddenly been radicalized by this Ladder Theory stuff, I spend all my time talking to chicks about it and you know what? Not only do they come around slightly to the inevitable honesty of the thing, but even if they don't want to believe guys only want sex (intially anyway), then the seed of doubt gets planted. This seed is important because it also requires that the consider their part is the sexual charade we play in the US called "dating".
It's also so much fun to be liberated and just flat out say, I'm going to just travel to other countries and have my sexual needs fulfilled by professionals. I've never had so much fun being counter-culture in my whole life. I'm so giddy I can barely stand it!
Thank God I started reading this thread!!!
Speaking of Oprah.....
..Oprah noticed that a lot of kids in [US] underpriviledged areas (ie. black kids) seem to display a serious lack of motivation. When asked what was important to them, they'd say stuff like an ipod or new sneakers. The kids in S Africa would say stuff like "give me a uniform so I can go to school". Needless to say, Oprah was a lot more impressed by those .....
What does this tell us about the big O? Well, to give credit where credit is due, she is willing to use her own money to benefit others. But only the ones SHE DEEMS to be worthy. Rock
Nothing wrong with decrying the rampant self-destructive shortsighted materialism of the US have-nots.
And when it comes to altruism: I"m sure it's true that nearly all donors no matter what level need to deem a charity worthy before coughing up any $.
I certainly do.
That Asshole
01-08-07, 15:43
Dear Gentlemen,
May I invite a friendly discussion about the following topic?
Should women be modestly clothed in public?
We have to realize the three main factors in play here (no, there are not only two of man/woman):
a/ power of women
b/ power of men
c/ power of law
Assuming that both women and men have the power to do anything then there is no problem. Women may appear naked in public and any man may grab their tits and insert fingers in their holes in public, as they wish.
However, the law has been created to empower one and discriminate against the other party. And "enforcing" the law is very profitable business. The creation of new laws is always exciting news for someone who lives from enforcing it. So either way, whether naked appearance is made unlawful for women or if public manhandling is made unlawful for men, the law wins. There will be plenty of profitable business for the law if either side is favored over the other.
In all fairness there are only two "just" solutions:
- either empower both parties to act as they wish, without any legal retaliation in view, or
- limit both parties in their freedom to act, so there will be no temptations and provocations.
As the situation stands at the moment it is not favoring the men the least. It is currently legal in many countries (esp. the US, Europe, etc) for women to endanger men's safety by publicly provoking them and then handing them to the always waiting "law".
The future will ultimately on which "set of beliefs" gets their way . But no matter which way, ultimately the "law" wins in any case.
Unless of course "intelligence" wins over meat.
Doctor_Skank
01-08-07, 15:53
Dear Gentlemen,
May I invite a friendly discussion about the following topic?
Should women be modestly clothed in public?
We have to realize the three main factors in play here (no, there are not only two of man/woman):
a/ power of women
b/ power of men
c/ power of law
Assuming that both women and men have the power to do anything then there is no problem. Women may appear naked in public and any man may grab their tits and insert fingers in their holes in public, as they wish.
However, the law has been created to empower one and discriminate against the other party. And "enforcing" the law is very profitable business. The creation of new laws is always exciting news for someone who lives from enforcing it. So either way, whether naked appearance is made unlawful for women or if public manhandling is made unlawful for men, the law wins. There will be plenty of profitable business for the law if either side is favored over the other.
In all fairness there are only two "just" solutions:
- either empower both parties to act as they wish, without any legal retaliation in view, or
- limit both parties in their freedom to act, so there will be no temptations and provocations.
As the situation stands at the moment it is not favoring the men the least. It is currently legal in many countries (esp. the US, Europe, etc) for women to endanger men's safety by publicly provoking them and then handing them to the always waiting "law".
The future will ultimately on which "set of beliefs" gets their way . But no matter which way, ultimately the "law" wins in any case.
Unless of course "intelligence" wins over meat.
??? Proposing to introduce sharia law to the US? Burkha anyone?
Is there any problem with the way women dress today? None that I've noticed.
For me, that's a non-issue. The public decency laws in the US, which do restrict the way women dress and couples behave in public, are too conservative if anything. I for one can live with the laws as they are. The country certainly doesn't need more regulation in the way people dress.
Billy Ibrox
01-08-07, 15:58
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6232331.stm
Oprah's school in South Africa got an interesting plug by the BBC. She'll get more bang for her buck there for sure. She sure has a winning formula. And a big arse for guys into that.
That Asshole: Don't underestimate the combined power of women and their supporters to fuck you over. Make all the jokes ye like here laddie but one badly times grab of the arse and yer arse will be on the line. I have seen this in action and it is scary. No one will defend you. It would be better to be gay. Less risk. It is that bad.
OldIronsides
01-08-07, 18:15
Ok, let's be honest. I have a nice ass. It's true. I know this won't interest my fellow mongers but it does interest a fair number of women. When a girl grabs my ass, I'm supposed to be all flattered right? Even if she's homely as hell, I'm supposed to take this as a compliment.
We all know the hell that would come pouring down if I get within 2 inches of pinches a girl's ass however.
Even if minded my ass being grabbed (which I don't obviously what idiot guy would not like this?), even if I wanted to "report it", who the hell would give a crap about my being "sexually molested".
No use in going on rants about the inbalance in sexual discrimation laws but I did see a funny YouTube movie that just coincidently in the background used one of those mandatory sexual misconduct videos you have to watch at the vast majority of workplaces. I'd forgotton about them since it had been awhile, but the scene was of some female boss harrassing some male underling. I mean come on, now not only are the videos totally misrepresentative in every way (and the pc noobs have institutionalized this thinking in corporate america), but the videos depict the woman doing the harrassing as if this is all supposed to protect BOTH sexes. Give me a fucking break. If you want to arrest me for saying, "My you have a nice ass" to a co-worker, let's not even PRETEND these laws are set up to save us poor guys from female harrassment in the workplace with these bogus videos!
Chocha Monger
01-10-07, 01:52
Ok, let's be honest. I have a nice ass. It's true. I know this won't interest my fellow mongers but it does interest a fair number of women. When a girl grabs my ass, I'm supposed to be all flattered right? Even if she's homely as hell, I'm supposed to take this as a compliment.
We all know the hell that would come pouring down if I get within 2 inches of pinches a girl's ass however.
Even if minded my ass being grabbed (which I don't obviously what idiot guy would not like this?), even if I wanted to "report it", who the hell would give a crap about my being "sexually molested".
No use in going on rants about the inbalance in sexual discrimation laws but I did see a funny YouTube movie that just coincidently in the background used one of those mandatory sexual misconduct videos you have to watch at the vast majority of workplaces. I'd forgotton about them since it had been awhile, but the scene was of some female boss harrassing some male underling. I mean come on, now not only are the videos totally misrepresentative in every way (and the pc noobs have institutionalized this thinking in corporate america), but the videos depict the woman doing the harrassing as if this is all supposed to protect BOTH sexes. Give me a fucking break. If you want to arrest me for saying, "My you have a nice ass" to a co-worker, let's not even PRETEND these laws are set up to save us poor guys from female harrassment in the workplace with these bogus videos!
Well that isn't entirely true. I just had a female worker fired for making lewd sexual remarks about me in the presence of co-workers and clients. It was a highly risky move because she, of course, made up some lies in an effort to counter my complaint. Unfortunately for her the majority of witnesses were female so it was an open and shut case as far as HR was concerned. However, during the investigation the female HR rep treated me as a suspect though I was the target of the harassment. My view of the matter is that men only stand a chance against sexual harassment when it occurs in a blatant form with numerous neutral female witnesses willing to testify.
Also, you may not like having your ass grabbed if you're in a work environment and the female is doing so in an attempt to get you into some compromising situation. If you are her superior and you respond positively to this kind of sexual behavior it will be over for you because she can turn the situation around on you. The system wasn't designed to protect men but the facts can't be ignored if a woman is obviously harassing a man. AW are seldomly truly interested in sex to the point of harassing a man to obtain it so you should always ask yourself what are her true motives?
OldIronsides
01-10-07, 04:49
Damn good point! That has given me some new food for thought. Yeah what are her motivations. I was thinking away from the workplace though, even though I went on a tangent about workplace sexual harrassment. lol
Site built in the wiki format:
http://ladderwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page
The first question that came into my mind is whether or not this transfers to the other cultures that most of us are more interested in than AW. Judging solely from George's post, as well as that the site I put up has been translated into Dutch, I'm guessing that it does.
B9kSo, I was going through the site and I stepped on to this hand book of ladder theory hand book. Here is the torrient link. This book insists some classic posts by board members and expension of the LT. There are some classic tested examples on how to deal with IPs and women in general.
http://torrentspy.com/torrent/821410/The_Ladder_Theorist_s_Handbook
Here is the torrent link
Those who doesn't have bitt toreent. Here is this guy who uploaded the pdf file on the LTboard.
http://iwforums.com/showthread.php?t=135&highlight=The+Ladder+Theorist%27s+Handbook
Sinanju Master
01-12-07, 01:32
Quite a while back, when I worked in the fast food industry, I was on the receiving end of sexual harrassment TWICE. The first time, some fugly
broad attempted to blackmail me into having sex with her. Thankfully, she backed off. The second time, a female coworker palmed my ass
like LeBron James would do to a basketball. My boss, a woman, was cool and knew that I wasn't the type to make such shit up, and she took
my side and disciplined the offending broad. Normally, if a chick (even if she's fugly) gives me a lot of attention, I'll politely decline. However, if
she becomes aggressive, the gloves are off.
One time this chick tried to shove a hanger up my ass, as I was working, and I am not joking.
Billy will be able to relate to this.
I used to run a factory in Glasgow (long time ago and near Ibrox) with 30+ women and I have never seen before or since the sexual harrassment that went on there where the women hunted in a pack and surrounded the young guys, touching them up. Those young kids were shit scared.
It was frightening what they got up to.
And then there was the women and their bottle of Gordon's which they supped on all day!!!
C1
In Vino Veritas. Isn't it cute when they are being fucking obnoxious. They think so:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA7XdTMPbKw
Ever seen a drunk Russian girl act like this? A Latina from Argentina? French girl? The only REMOTELY comparable behavior that I have ever seen is in "birds" from the UK.
I came across this looking for the theme to "To Live and Die in LA" by Wang Chung.
B9k
Ever seen a drunk Russian girl act like this? A Latina from Argentina? French girl? The only REMOTELY comparable behavior that I have ever seen is in "birds" from the UK.
B9k
When I was a college student and still naive, I was at a party where 2 girls who had been drinking were in an elevator with me. One was recounting a story about a guy they had both just seen. She said at a prior party she got so drunk that she couldn't walk and this guy offered to driver her home. Her words: "I threw up in his car. He thought he was going to get lucky but he got a whole lot of barf instead." Her friend's response: "That is SO cool!"
I thought it was just those two. I have since learned better.
Billy Ibrox
01-14-07, 08:20
Are not the ones you have to watch. Those young youtubers are prettty thick and I am sure the guy in the background fucked her or them later. My key point is don't put your cock in the way of your pay cheque. Once women are involved, you have not a hope if the shit hits the fan. And they know it. The old saying "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" must have some sense in it.
That is why prostitutes and Thailand are good. No complications. Just find, fuck, feel, fool, forget. Exactly like a Dixie cup.
.......and that was what, 15 years ago George? I'm inclined to believe that things haven't gotten better.
Now don't get the wrong idea. I'm the furthest thing from advocating "proper" behavior, an overbearing standard of decorum, being an etiquette nazi, whatever. But obnoxious is just obnoxious. Even making an allowance for being drunk, it is very apparent that the young lady in that video went straight from being Mommy and Daddy's darling little princess whose every action is met with rapt approval, to "the world" revolving around her pussy about six seconds after she sprouted tits and pubic hair (and maybe even before).
Incidently, again, another difference I have to point out. I've made several comments about the homogenaity (sp?) of the young females in other countries versus our own with the epidemic of obesity. How "special" (and feeling good about acting like that) do you think that young woman would feel if almost EVERY girl around her were as attractive as she is?
B9k
DJ FourMoney
01-14-07, 10:14
I was thinking the same thing. Los Angeles is not referred to as LaLaLand for nothing.
DJ4M,
If you seriously consider Britney, Paris, and the VIP girls of SoCal as women in whom the rest of us should invest our hard earned money, scarce time and energy, then you have been living in LaLaLand too long. Spend some time in Oakland, Indianapolis, Gary, Baton Rouge, Roxbury, New Jersey, Philly, and other places much less glamorous than where you are, and get a better perspective.
I didn't say that and your taking my post out of context.
Get a better perspective? I have spent time in all the place you just mentioned but Roxbury and I wasn't impressed to say the least.
I never said baggin Paris Hilton was the best America has to offer. What I was saying was, don't let your financial situation be the sole reason you can't pull famous pussy. Make connections, its not what you know, its WHO you know. I'm not famous and not rich (yet, give it a few weeks). You can't spend all your time overseas, you have to come home sometime. So what does that mean, jack off to movies downloaded from Hot Movies until you can afford to travel again???
No, take your new found confedence and put it to use. The results may suprise you. I don't see miles of fat women in LA like you do in every other part of the country save for NYC and Miami. Lifestyle forces some changes in diet and appearance if you haven't noticed. I didn't say there aren't any fat chicks here, there are, but they feel they don't compete well with "skinny" girls and tend to go to their own clubs.
As I said, clubs are not the ideal place to meet anybody really. But parties are! These jokers always have parties, just try and get on the guest list. If you don't know anybody, then find somebody in the "know". The beauty of those people, while fake as a 4 dollar bill, are a reliable source of info.
I haven't lost anything, all these local women are good for is bangin for the least amount of outlay as possible. Low maintance girls are harder to find but not impossible...
Don't get me wrong, your best bet long term is overseas...
DJ FourMoney
01-14-07, 10:28
3. No Puritanism. And along with that (again, I'm speaking relatively), no ridiculously overblown perceptions of the value of female sexuality.
I can't speak for Brasilian women, but hands down the freakest white women on the planet come from Europe. Our Puritanism is one of the major reasons why its so hard to get LAID here.
when i was a college student and still naive, i was at a party where 2 girls who had been drinking were in an elevator with me. one was recounting a story about a guy they had both just seen. she said at a prior party she got so drunk that she couldn't walk and this guy offered to driver her home. her words: "i threw up in his car. he thought he was going to get lucky but he got a whole lot of barf instead." her friend's response: "that is so cool!"
i thought it was just those two. i have since learned better.
so she was 100% sure he wanted to get lucky. what if he was gay or didnt want any of that soused up poontang? that line of thinking is part of the problem in that guys always have interior motives to get the pussy and thats more important than maybe saving her life, preventing her from getting injured, raped, or making a bigger ass of herself while drunk.
a couple of months ago i saved a drunk indian chick tottering over the train platform where she was deciding whether to hurl or not. lucky for her i pulled her drunk ass out of the way before she splattered into an approaching train, after which my friends girl brung her to a taxi. no commendations for me from the mayor, just back to cold glares and sneers from the female persuasion the next day.
while on the subject of drunk chicks, a friend was telling me one nite after work about 1:00 am in the almost empty last subway cart going home, a drunk young lady was sitting all alone, drawing attention to herself when a guy sat next to her and started talking. after a few moments the dude got up stuck his dick in her mouth real fast, and got off at the next stop. he said it was so brazen and quick, it didn't seem real.
Some unknown poster posted this somewhere and I got it from sosuave.net. Pretty Interesting. I believe, because we hate american women, we should bang them every chance we get.
I wasn't a sexist before I understood women. There was a time when I was blissfully ignorant. I grew up watching Disney cartoons, I believed in romance and "true love conquers all" etc. I wanted to find a woman who could be my equal, my partner. I believed in finding that one true love and being committed to each other forever. You know, like in the marriage vows, "for better or for worse, through sickness and in health, for richer or for poorer" etc. And I believed that women basically wanted the same thing. Now I understand that this was only possible when society was structured to enforce it. Now that women are "liberated" (and thus at the mercy of their own emotions and baser instincts) this is mostly no longer possible in today's society. Victorian society, or many Arab societies, are examples of how society used to be structured to keep women as faithful as possible.
I'd like to point out that I am not a misogynist...I love women. But I AM a sexist, in the sense that I believe women are vastly different than men and, according to the standards that men hold for other men, women are inferior as well.
I must be a bitter loser, right? In fact, I enjoy more success with women than most of the men in this city. I have slept with over 200 women in my life. I am sleeping with 5 different women right now. They are all normal, healthy, well-adjusted, good-looking (8+ on the looks scale) professional women. (At least as normal and healthy and well-adjusted as women can be - most women have issues.) But that's not all. I can go out any night of the week and pick up a woman. I can pick her up in front of all her friends (with 80% efficiency for each approach.) Women will slip me their phone number when their boyfriend is in the bathroom. I can talk to women on the street or in the grocery store and within 30 minutes, I can usually have sex with them right there in my car or get them back to my place. If I have to settle for a phone number, and I meet her on another day, assuming she doesn't flake, I WILL **** her that next day.
Let me point out right now that my Modus Operandi doesn't change in the slightest if she single or if she has a boyfriend or husband. I just do my normal routine and I **** her. Sometimes she brings up the boyfriend so she won't feel guilty when I **** her because now it's "my fault." Sometimes she hides it from me until after I've ****ed her, then she admits it. I can't tell you how many times I've been laying next to some chick, all sweaty cause I just finished busting a nut all over her face or in her mouth or on her back, and suddenly her phone rings and she's on the phone with her man, giving him some bull**** story. This is with NO GUILT WHATSOEVER!!! The sweetest most innocent girls you ever laid eyes on, will cheat at the drop of a HAT. The one thing that most men value most - loyalty - is just not there with women. Women don't think in terms of honor, women don't say "word is bond;" women are basically emotionally driven. If they feel it, they do it, period. Then they rationalize it to themselves later. Nothing is more meaningful, or compelling, to a woman than (1) the way she feels and (2) learning more about her own inner self and having emotional realizations. That's why women love astrology, chick flicks, soap operas, stupid Cosmo quizes that supposedly reveal info about yourself, etc.
I must be really good looking, right? NOPE. My looks are marginal; I'm maybe a 7. I don't work out (though I'm not fat or anything.) In fact I didn't have any success with women until I was in my early 20's. That's when I decided to go out a lot and start trying to get laid... I was willing to face rejection a thousand times a night, and do it over and over, trying everything, until I got it right. I had to completely set my ego aside. I didn't get laid at all for the first few months. Then every now and then. Then pretty often. Then downright consistently! I'm in my early 30's now and I am basically a sexual god. I wouldn't have even believed this were possible when I was in high school. The ONLY factor that determined whether a woman would cheat was my own skill level. When my skills were poor, women **** all over me. (Everyone knows how women think they have license to be rude *****es in social situations... in fact I understand and appreciate that behavior now.) But once my skills got good, I could **** just about anyone's wife or girlfriend. And many times I didn't know they had a man until after I ****ed them.
Look, I'm not saying that men are perfect, or whatever. Far from it. I'm just saying, I've spent a lot of my time studying women and interacting with them, and I know how they are. In fact, sometimes I hate knowing it. Sometimes I wish I had taken the blue pill, and never went down the rabbit hole, because now there's really no going back. I didn't want to believe these things... but how could I ever get married now? How could I ever be the chump who pays for everything and blissfully goes through life not worrying about his woman because he trusts her? Look, would you leave your dog alone with a steak? You can't hate the dog for doing what's in its nature. You can't trust a dog, BUT you can trust a dog to BE a dog. Some men are disloyal... but I could *never* trust a woman to be loyal. Some men are bad presidents...but I could *never* vote for a woman to be president. I can rarely expect a woman to regard her own promises as more important and compelling to her than the emotions she feels in the moment. She will rationalize it to herself later.
Here's an interesting fact. Did you know that the median 22 year old woman has TWICE as much sex as the median 22 year old man? You might ask, how is that possible? If a woman's having sex, doesn't that mean a man is having sex at the same time? And thus, shouldn't men be having just as much sex as women? NO...because most men hardly get laid, or if they do, it's because they "got lucky." But a small group of men get laid ALL THE TIME, and **** LOTS AND LOTS of women! It's evolution at work. Women follow their emotions, and that leads them to sleep with men like me (who know how to control female emotions.) Women want the top man...so the top man ****s lots of women. That's right - the sexual revolution, feminism, etc has resulted in a return to harems. Women, at the mercy of their own emotions, are volunteering for the modern-day equivalent of harems. Lucky for me!! Heh.
You might say, "But...but...I'm so nice! I'm a nice guy!" Guess what? That's like a fat chick saying, "But I'm so smart!" As if those things have anything in the world to do with sexual attraction!
I'm going to give some tips here for the poor sucker guys who are posting online trying to get laid and who are spending hundreds / thousands of dollars on all those *****s out there without getting any play. (You *****es know exactly what you're doing, and I'm on to your game!)
* Don't be sexually judgemental in any way. A woman's worst fear is to be perceived as a ****. She will suck your toes and take it in the ass if she thinks you don't view her poorly for it (and she knows her friends won't find out.)
* Don't get angry at her. Women know they have emotional outbursts and they need to trust that you can handle that. It's ok (and necessary) to occasionally put your foot down...just make sure she knows you are fully in control of yourself.
* Don't let her manipulate you or control you in any way. She will immediately lose all respect for you. Always be leading. It's just like dancing - women hate a man who can't lead.
* When first approaching a woman or a group, they tend to get a feeling like this is just your little scheme to get close to them, when you really just want something from them - like sex. (And they're right.) It's important to structure your body language and conversation so that they honestly don't believe you want something from them. They should feel like you are about to leave at any second.
* DON'T TRY TO IMPRESS HER IN ANY WAY. Don't show off. Don't talk about accomplishments or possessions. As soon as she perceives that you are trying to prove yourself to her, she loses all interest.
* Don't ignore her friends. A woman values her friend's opinions more than just about anything else in the world. Nothing matters to her more than what other women are thinking. Give her friends lots of attention and get everyone laughing. If one woman is feeling different than the others, she will drag them away. They will follow like a flock of pigeons. Society is the book of women. (Notice that men do NOT behave this way! Women are very different!)
* To get a woman attracted / emotionally vulnerable, give her lots of emotions and feelings. Don't just make her feel good. Make her feel good, and angry, and sad, and connected, and astonished, and intrigued, etc. Make her laugh. Tease her. Tell stories about your sick puppy. Tell her why things would never work out between the two of you. Call her a dork. If she gets heated up, she will start touching you...playfully push her away. If she calls you a jerk and punches your arm, you are doing it right. If she gives you that "I can't believe you just said that" look, do NOT back down, do not say "Oh I'm just kidding" or anything like that.
* As she gets more emotional, she will try to ruin things by throwing in logic. She will ask you if you are a player, or if you say this to all the girls, or whatever. The trick is this: Don't take it seriously by giving it some logical answer! That's right...women lose interest if you take them seriously!!! It's crazy but that's how they behave. Just blow it off or misinterpret what she's saying as though she is coming on to you. If you fail these tests, she will be gone so fast your head will spin.
* She will start asking you lots of questions. This is what chicks do when they suddenly find themselves attracted to a man they know nothing about. This is your chance to open up a little and also find out more about her and build a deeper connection. You have to do this, or she will flake later (even if you've kissed her!) Women are the worst flakes in the world! Don't make it too easy for her, make her work for it a bit. Then talk about connections and childhood memories and things you have in common, etc. She needs to feel that this is genuine. This is usually the time when I throw in a few fake vulnerabilities, like pretending I'm shy or insecure about something. I know it's ****ed up but women need to see that there are at least a few small holes where they can sink their hooks in you. They get uneasy if you are too perfect.
* Make sure she gets the feeling that you have standards and that you are judging her based on them. Ask her questions that show her you are checking her out to see if she is up to snuff. Women don't like to feel like you are with them only because you can't do any better. They prefer to feel like you have high standards; you can get any chick you want, but you chose HER because she is SOOOO special and SOOOO different from all the others. Yeah, I know.
* Move her to different locations. Take her next door for a drink. Take her across the street to check out some art. The more locations the better.
* Take responsibility for every escalation. A woman will do just about anything as long as she doesn't have to feel like it was "her fault." Make it YOUR fault. Make it "just happen." She will rationalize it to herself later using the same bull**** generator that women use to flake out on dates at the last minute. Don't get her horny until you get her isolated. Believe me, emotional is better than horny.
* Keep the woman always swinging somewhere between validation and rejection. If she feels rejected, she drops out or gets REALLY MAD. And if she feels too validated, she will ditch you in a heartbeat. So push her away (emotionally) and then pull her back in.
* BELIEVE YOUR OWN BULL****. Chicks do not look at your excuses and try to see if they are bull**** or not... because that is the logical thing to do, and chicks are not logical. Rather, what they do is see if YOU seem to believe your own bull**** when you say it. If you look like you do, then chances are, they will believe it too. So the key is to believe your own bull****, and other aspects about yourself that you want the chick to believe about you too (alpha male..whatever)... because your own self beliefs for some reason will automatically 'impart' to the chick!
* One more thing...many guys make the mistake of listening to female romantic advice. Don't listen to them, THEY DON'T KNOW WTF THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT, and they WILL steer you wrong. They will tell you what they THINK they want, instead of what they actually RESPOND to. And furthermore, a large part of the female sexual experience IS the inability to admit these things BECAUSE they derive sexual pleasure from putting up resistance and being overwhelmed.
If you do things this way, after a few months practice you WILL get laid like a rock star. The guys who get laid are the ones who know what they are doing, because they have practiced on lots of women. Ironically, women are most attracted to the men who are most likely to **** them and then dump them on their ass - because those are precisely the men who have so many other options because they practice on lots of women. That's why you always hear women *****ing about how men are assholes that only want to **** them and dump them - because those are the men that they gravitate to.
Women tend to wise up when they get towards their 30s, and they start looking for a nice wimpy beta male to settle down with and pay for all their ****. As they get older, they will get more and more desperate to find this guy. Once they do, they will cheat on him with an exciting fun guy like me. (But who wants to **** some old chick in her 30's? That's what beta males are for! Heh)
Hey, don't blame me - I didn't make things the way they are. I was just a guy who wanted to get laid. And I do :-)
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so she was 100% sure he wanted to get lucky. what if he was gay or didnt want any of that soused up poontang? that line of thinking is part of the problem in that guys always have interior motives to get the pussy and thats more important than maybe saving her life, preventing her from getting injured, raped, or making a bigger ass of herself while drunk.
a couple of months ago i saved a drunk indian chick tottering over the train platform where she was deciding whether to hurl or not. lucky for her i pulled her drunk ass out of the way before she splattered into an approaching train, after which my friends girl brung her to a taxi. no commendations for me from the mayor, just back to cold glares and sneers from the female persuasion the next day.
while on the subject of drunk chicks, a friend was telling me one nite after work about 1:00 am in the almost empty last subway cart going home, a drunk young lady was sitting all alone, drawing attention to herself when a guy sat next to her and started talking. after a few moments the dude got up stuck his dick in her mouth real fast, and got off at the next stop. he said it was so brazen and quick, it didn't seem real.
wow....this can only happen in nyc.
Happy Chappy
01-15-07, 10:06
Some unknown poster posted this somewhere and I got it from sosuave.net. Pretty Interesting. I believe, because we hate american women, we should bang them every chance we get.
I wasn't a sexist before I understood women. There was a time when I was blissfully ignorant. I grew up watching Disney cartoons, I believed in romance and "true love conquers all" etc. I wanted to find a woman who could be my equal, my partner. I believed in finding that one true love and being committed to each other forever. You know, like in the marriage vows, "for better or for worse, through sickness and in health, for richer or for poorer" etc. And I believed that women basically wanted the same thing. Now I understand that this was only possible when society was structured to enforce it. Now that women are "liberated" (and thus at the mercy of their own emotions and baser instincts) this is mostly no longer possible in today's society. Victorian society, or many Arab societies, are examples of how society used to be structured to keep women as faithful as possible.
I'd like to point out that I am not a misogynist...I love women. But I AM a sexist, in the sense that I believe women are vastly different than men and, according to the standards that men hold for other men, women are inferior as well.
I must be a bitter loser, right? In fact, I enjoy more success with women than most of the men in this city. I have slept with over 200 women in my life. I am sleeping with 5 different women right now. They are all normal, healthy, well-adjusted, good-looking (8+ on the looks scale) professional women. (At least as normal and healthy and well-adjusted as women can be - most women have issues.) But that's not all. I can go out any night of the week and pick up a woman. I can pick her up in front of all her friends (with 80% efficiency for each approach.) Women will slip me their phone number when their boyfriend is in the bathroom. I can talk to women on the street or in the grocery store and within 30 minutes, I can usually have sex with them right there in my car or get them back to my place. If I have to settle for a phone number, and I meet her on another day, assuming she doesn't flake, I WILL **** her that next day.
Let me point out right now that my Modus Operandi doesn't change in the slightest if she single or if she has a boyfriend or husband. I just do my normal routine and I **** her. Sometimes she brings up the boyfriend so she won't feel guilty when I **** her because now it's "my fault." Sometimes she hides it from me until after I've ****ed her, then she admits it. I can't tell you how many times I've been laying next to some chick, all sweaty cause I just finished busting a nut all over her face or in her mouth or on her back, and suddenly her phone rings and she's on the phone with her man, giving him some bull**** story. This is with NO GUILT WHATSOEVER!!! The sweetest most innocent girls you ever laid eyes on, will cheat at the drop of a HAT. The one thing that most men value most - loyalty - is just not there with women. Women don't think in terms of honor, women don't say "word is bond;" women are basically emotionally driven. If they feel it, they do it, period. Then they rationalize it to themselves later. Nothing is more meaningful, or compelling, to a woman than (1) the way she feels and (2) learning more about her own inner self and having emotional realizations. That's why women love astrology, chick flicks, soap operas, stupid Cosmo quizes that supposedly reveal info about yourself, etc.
I must be really good looking, right? NOPE. My looks are marginal; I'm maybe a 7. I don't work out (though I'm not fat or anything.) In fact I didn't have any success with women until I was in my early 20's. That's when I decided to go out a lot and start trying to get laid... I was willing to face rejection a thousand times a night, and do it over and over, trying everything, until I got it right. I had to completely set my ego aside. I didn't get laid at all for the first few months. Then every now and then. Then pretty often. Then downright consistently! I'm in my early 30's now and I am basically a sexual god. I wouldn't have even believed this were possible when I was in high school. The ONLY factor that determined whether a woman would cheat was my own skill level. When my skills were poor, women **** all over me. (Everyone knows how women think they have license to be rude *****es in social situations... in fact I understand and appreciate that behavior now.) But once my skills got good, I could **** just about anyone's wife or girlfriend. And many times I didn't know they had a man until after I ****ed them.
Look, I'm not saying that men are perfect, or whatever. Far from it. I'm just saying, I've spent a lot of my time studying women and interacting with them, and I know how they are. In fact, sometimes I hate knowing it. Sometimes I wish I had taken the blue pill, and never went down the rabbit hole, because now there's really no going back. I didn't want to believe these things... but how could I ever get married now? How could I ever be the chump who pays for everything and blissfully goes through life not worrying about his woman because he trusts her? Look, would you leave your dog alone with a steak? You can't hate the dog for doing what's in its nature. You can't trust a dog, BUT you can trust a dog to BE a dog. Some men are disloyal... but I could *never* trust a woman to be loyal. Some men are bad presidents...but I could *never* vote for a woman to be president. I can rarely expect a woman to regard her own promises as more important and compelling to her than the emotions she feels in the moment. She will rationalize it to herself later.
Here's an interesting fact. Did you know that the median 22 year old woman has TWICE as much sex as the median 22 year old man? You might ask, how is that possible? If a woman's having sex, doesn't that mean a man is having sex at the same time? And thus, shouldn't men be having just as much sex as women? NO...because most men hardly get laid, or if they do, it's because they "got lucky." But a small group of men get laid ALL THE TIME, and **** LOTS AND LOTS of women! It's evolution at work. Women follow their emotions, and that leads them to sleep with men like me (who know how to control female emotions.) Women want the top man...so the top man ****s lots of women. That's right - the sexual revolution, feminism, etc has resulted in a return to harems. Women, at the mercy of their own emotions, are volunteering for the modern-day equivalent of harems. Lucky for me!! Heh.
You might say, "But...but...I'm so nice! I'm a nice guy!" Guess what? That's like a fat chick saying, "But I'm so smart!" As if those things have anything in the world to do with sexual attraction!
I'm going to give some tips here for the poor sucker guys who are posting online trying to get laid and who are spending hundreds / thousands of dollars on all those *****s out there without getting any play. (You *****es know exactly what you're doing, and I'm on to your game!)
* Don't be sexually judgemental in any way. A woman's worst fear is to be perceived as a ****. She will suck your toes and take it in the ass if she thinks you don't view her poorly for it (and she knows her friends won't find out.)
* Don't get angry at her. Women know they have emotional outbursts and they need to trust that you can handle that. It's ok (and necessary) to occasionally put your foot down...just make sure she knows you are fully in control of yourself.
* Don't let her manipulate you or control you in any way. She will immediately lose all respect for you. Always be leading. It's just like dancing - women hate a man who can't lead.
* When first approaching a woman or a group, they tend to get a feeling like this is just your little scheme to get close to them, when you really just want something from them - like sex. (And they're right.) It's important to structure your body language and conversation so that they honestly don't believe you want something from them. They should feel like you are about to leave at any second.
* DON'T TRY TO IMPRESS HER IN ANY WAY. Don't show off. Don't talk about accomplishments or possessions. As soon as she perceives that you are trying to prove yourself to her, she loses all interest.
* Don't ignore her friends. A woman values her friend's opinions more than just about anything else in the world. Nothing matters to her more than what other women are thinking. Give her friends lots of attention and get everyone laughing. If one woman is feeling different than the others, she will drag them away. They will follow like a flock of pigeons. Society is the book of women. (Notice that men do NOT behave this way! Women are very different!)
* To get a woman attracted / emotionally vulnerable, give her lots of emotions and feelings. Don't just make her feel good. Make her feel good, and angry, and sad, and connected, and astonished, and intrigued, etc. Make her laugh. Tease her. Tell stories about your sick puppy. Tell her why things would never work out between the two of you. Call her a dork. If she gets heated up, she will start touching you...playfully push her away. If she calls you a jerk and punches your arm, you are doing it right. If she gives you that "I can't believe you just said that" look, do NOT back down, do not say "Oh I'm just kidding" or anything like that.
* As she gets more emotional, she will try to ruin things by throwing in logic. She will ask you if you are a player, or if you say this to all the girls, or whatever. The trick is this: Don't take it seriously by giving it some logical answer! That's right...women lose interest if you take them seriously!!! It's crazy but that's how they behave. Just blow it off or misinterpret what she's saying as though she is coming on to you. If you fail these tests, she will be gone so fast your head will spin.
* She will start asking you lots of questions. This is what chicks do when they suddenly find themselves attracted to a man they know nothing about. This is your chance to open up a little and also find out more about her and build a deeper connection. You have to do this, or she will flake later (even if you've kissed her!) Women are the worst flakes in the world! Don't make it too easy for her, make her work for it a bit. Then talk about connections and childhood memories and things you have in common, etc. She needs to feel that this is genuine. This is usually the time when I throw in a few fake vulnerabilities, like pretending I'm shy or insecure about something. I know it's ****ed up but women need to see that there are at least a few small holes where they can sink their hooks in you. They get uneasy if you are too perfect.
* Make sure she gets the feeling that you have standards and that you are judging her based on them. Ask her questions that show her you are checking her out to see if she is up to snuff. Women don't like to feel like you are with them only because you can't do any better. They prefer to feel like you have high standards; you can get any chick you want, but you chose HER because she is SOOOO special and SOOOO different from all the others. Yeah, I know.
* Move her to different locations. Take her next door for a drink. Take her across the street to check out some art. The more locations the better.
* Take responsibility for every escalation. A woman will do just about anything as long as she doesn't have to feel like it was "her fault." Make it YOUR fault. Make it "just happen." She will rationalize it to herself later using the same bull**** generator that women use to flake out on dates at the last minute. Don't get her horny until you get her isolated. Believe me, emotional is better than horny.
* Keep the woman always swinging somewhere between validation and rejection. If she feels rejected, she drops out or gets REALLY MAD. And if she feels too validated, she will ditch you in a heartbeat. So push her away (emotionally) and then pull her back in.
* BELIEVE YOUR OWN BULL****. Chicks do not look at your excuses and try to see if they are bull**** or not... because that is the logical thing to do, and chicks are not logical. Rather, what they do is see if YOU seem to believe your own bull**** when you say it. If you look like you do, then chances are, they will believe it too. So the key is to believe your own bull****, and other aspects about yourself that you want the chick to believe about you too (alpha male..whatever)... because your own self beliefs for some reason will automatically 'impart' to the chick!
* One more thing...many guys make the mistake of listening to female romantic advice. Don't listen to them, THEY DON'T KNOW WTF THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT, and they WILL steer you wrong. They will tell you what they THINK they want, instead of what they actually RESPOND to. And furthermore, a large part of the female sexual experience IS the inability to admit these things BECAUSE they derive sexual pleasure from putting up resistance and being overwhelmed.
If you do things this way, after a few months practice you WILL get laid like a rock star. The guys who get laid are the ones who know what they are doing, because they have practiced on lots of women. Ironically, women are most attracted to the men who are most likely to **** them and then dump them on their ass - because those are precisely the men who have so many other options because they practice on lots of women. That's why you always hear women *****ing about how men are assholes that only want to **** them and dump them - because those are the men that they gravitate to.
Women tend to wise up when they get towards their 30s, and they start looking for a nice wimpy beta male to settle down with and pay for all their ****. As they get older, they will get more and more desperate to find this guy. Once they do, they will cheat on him with an exciting fun guy like me. (But who wants to **** some old chick in her 30's? That's what beta males are for! Heh)
Hey, don't blame me - I didn't make things the way they are. I was just a guy who wanted to get laid. And I do :-)
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Some interesting stuff there and I would agree that a lot of that advice makes a lot of sense and could help many get laid. But look at how long and detailed the post was! What does that tell us? That it takes a LOT OF EFFORT, and basically we have to go around like we are playing some sort of actor in a movie, and can certainly not be ourselves. Now this guy may get laid a lot, but is it really worth it and that much fun given all that effort to put on all sorts of fake behaviour etc?
I read it and thought, yeah it would probably work ,but I find it much easier, much less stressful, and a lot more fun just to be myself, and pay for my action.
But for those guys who want to apply a major effort, I reckon take this guys advice, some good tips there, just hope its worth it at the end of the day.
Some interesting stuff there and I would agree that a lot of that advice makes a lot of sense and could help many get laid. But look at how long and detailed the post was! What does that tell us? That it takes a LOT OF EFFORT, and basically we have to go around like we are playing some sort of actor in a movie, and can certainly not be ourselves. Now this guy may get laid a lot, but is it really worth it and that much fun given all that effort to put on all sorts of fake behaviour etc?
I read it and thought, yeah it would probably work ,but I find it much easier, much less stressful, and a lot more fun just to be myself, and pay for my action.
I couldn't agree more, Ozzie. The most essential thing to understanding mongers is that we are lazy. Dealing with women in those other ways is just a huge amount of work.
In societies where most prostitution is driven by pimps, one might even say we are paying other men (the pimp) to go to all that trouble for us, and then sell us the finished goods. Pimps are often very proud of their skills, but I would always rather be a well-heeled customer than a skilled worker!
Well that brought up a few feelings.
1. Some guys are into the thrill of the hunt. They enjoy what they do and they are good at it and most importantly they succeed...fine.
2. This is a perfect example of giving women way too much credit and not being able to control the " anything for pussy " urge. You would even go as far as to "believe your own bullshit" doesn't sit well with me. I dont feel I need to bullshit anyone nor pretend Im someone else just to ease a womens insecurity.
*3 If it starts out with you at her feet compromising everything for her then there is absolutely no chance of a balanced realationship thats why I think most of us dont like AW's true/false?
Most people who fall into this category eat each other up get divorced deal with alot of aggravation and pay out alot of money. Eventhough I have no realationship at the moment I feel rich with freedom...no bills no kids time to travel and most important the possibility of finding something real. If I dont so be it at least I never caved into the bullshit.
Some interesting stuff there and I would agree that a lot of that advice makes a lot of sense and could help many get laid. But look at how long and detailed the post was! What does that tell us? That it takes a LOT OF EFFORT, and basically we have to go around like we are playing some sort of actor in a movie, and can certainly not be ourselves. Now this guy may get laid a lot, but is it really worth it and that much fun given all that effort to put on all sorts of fake behaviour etc?
I read it and thought, yeah it would probably work ,but I find it much easier, much less stressful, and a lot more fun just to be myself, and pay for my action.
But for those guys who want to apply a major effort, I reckon take this guys advice, some good tips there, just hope its worth it at the end of the day.YO man, I hear you. I feel the same way ; p2p is better than chansing, and tt does save time and energy. But, its good to know these stuff because men needs challanges. Also, My friend, these knowledge can be use in any countries in the world. Weather you have the balls to go with it, thats another thing. You are thinking downward spiral, stay open to possibilities, and good things might happen.
Strahan screwed by ex wife Jean Strahan. http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/488346p-411226c.html
Jean Strahan recieves...................
Prenup payout
$7.5 million plus $1.2 million in interest
Half of all assets
$6.6 million
Dream house
She can buy the family's $3.6 million "dream house" in Montclair, N.J., from her husband for $1.4 million
Luxury car
A leased Cadillac Escalade
Property
She gets half of the money from the sale of 256 pieces of furniture and other property
Child support
$214,745 a year; Michael Strahan also must pay 91% of the cost of their children's private schooling, camp and higher education fees. She will cover the rest.
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