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Naked Gunz
09-05-08, 23:20
I'm sorry but I have to disagree here with Naked Gunz...
Here in Bogota, most people are economically far behind their US counterparts, but....
1) The rich here are EVERY BIT as rich as the American rich, except for their cost of living is MUCH lower. The top 5% or so of the population has a HELL of a lot of purchasing power here, in a way the average American couldn't even FATHOM.
2) MOST people here are not starving or homeless. There aren't any more homeless here by % than there are in any typical American city, which is a major miracle considering how fast this city has grown and how many of these people are internally displaced. There definitely are people who don't have enough to eat or are homeless or living in tin shacks, but the VAST majority of people here actually do have their basic needs for food, shelter, etc. met.
3) What people tend to lack here compared to their counterparts in the US would be mainly luxury items, especially anything to do with cars, also thinks like toys, electronics, broadband internet, in some of the poorer neighborhoods perhaps hot water.
Based on the above, I don't think a girl in Colombia is likely to fall head over heels over a foreigner just based on the idea that he will give her the basic needs. And from what I've seen in IRL the way some gringos come here and SHOWER money on these girls it's just fucking unbelievable.
So yes, I DO think there is a profound cultural difference, hell, I'd go further, there are lots of profound cultural differences within this country and this very city.
I don't get it..What do you disagree with? I never discussed any of this stuff.
Only Columbians I've had were in Panama.
However my Honduran friend visits there all the time and tells me Columbianas are pretty money hungry.
Bango Cheito
09-08-08, 05:36
Sure the girls can get greedy here. But this ain't Cuba... a tube of toothpaste or a loaf of bread won't do it. :P Hell, I dunno if it would do it in Cuba anymore, the world is changing.
If you really want to be a sugar daddy here to anything resembling a good looking girl, you need a lot more money than you might think.
I've seen dumbass gringos buy girls CARS here and still get denied booty.
Tarius Shinobi
09-08-08, 07:46
You have to completely abolish your desire for AW, and focus on other things!
If you are a traveler, that would help.
AW are the least desirable women in the world! Exxxept for sex that is.
A great example is the upcoming movie called: The Women!
Aargh! For the Alpha male, that movie would be nearly 2 hours of torture.
Even The Apprentice reject "Omarosa" has written a book for women!
The American way of life is going to hell in a ball-sack.
CBGBConnisur
09-08-08, 16:16
Sarah Palin is the biggest reason I find American women to be complete turnoffs, they are ridiculously hypocritical and constantly change their core value systems to suit the times.
This lady talks about family values and all that BS, yet she eloped with her husband, she has a teenage daughter who got pregnant. She transfered to colleges six times. Are Americans dumb enough to vote for this? The US had eight years of Bush and look where that has taken the country. The American dollar continues to lose its luster despite a recent rally, people around the world see the US as a country fading into history.
Sarah Palin ... transfered to colleges six times.
This link says she went to a total of three colleges:
http://www.kidk.com/news/27656964.html
But this one mentions five:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aYY9hiQdr5E4&refer=home
I have credits from six different colleges, too. What's your point? I don't like her either but how is this relevant?
There's a thread to discuss American politics.
It's called "American Politics".
Same goes for the discussion of Colombianas.
Bango Cheito
09-09-08, 07:21
Well it just goes to what I always say, American CULTURE on the main is just fucked, not American WOMEN per se.
Colombian women are often compared to American women because they are "not materialistic" or because they are more "traditional". None of that is true, it's just a complete fucking load of horseshit and it stinks from here to Jupiter.
I DO think that in general interpersonal relationships are better and healthier here than in the States, and I think it's just plain easier to get laid here. But a lot of people come here and can't see the forest for the trees.
I think a lot of it is people are just in denial about how far America has fallen and how fucked up it's really become. They use AW as a scapegoat. One again, not seeing the forest for the trees.
DJ FourMoney
09-09-08, 11:13
Sarah Palin is the biggest reason I find American women to be complete turnoffs, they are ridiculously hypocritical and constantly change their core value systems to suit the times.
This lady talks about family values and all that BS, yet she eloped with her husband, she has a teenage daughter who got pregnant. She transfered to colleges six times. Are Americans dumb enough to vote for this? The US had eight years of Bush and look where that has taken the country. The American dollar continues to lose its luster despite a recent rally, people around the world see the US as a country fading into history.
A few are and all she does is LIE, LIE, LIE, officially she's a LIAR!
Biggest thing she ever wanted? To be on Sportscenter....
Says being a Mayor of a small down in a state with just over 600,000 people (town has 7,000 people) is more important than Obama's "Community" work, BS, total 100% Cow Dun.
US Magazine believes Trig is ACTUALLY Bristol's FIRST child. Seems Bristol left school over a year ago claiming to suffer from Mono. The whole family values thing is going to blow up in her face I can see it. RNC claims if National Inquirer runs a story about Palin they are going to sue. Well you know what NI, BRING IT! Anytime public people feel they have to sue a magazine that tells me that the rumors are actually closer to the TRUTH than any lie they tell to try and cover it up.
Actually only the Repub/Family Values/Right Wing/Bible Thumpin Nutters will vote her, that counts as what 2% of the population.
But yes there are women like her out there, I doubt anybody her knows somebody that actually THINK like she does...
I think this belongs in the Politics thread thought doesn't it?
DJ FourMoney
09-09-08, 11:21
Well it just goes to what I always say, American CULTURE on the main is just fucked, not American WOMEN per se.
Colombian women are often compared to American women because they are "not materialistic" or because they are more "traditional". None of that is true, it's just a complete fucking load of horseshit and it stinks from here to Jupiter.
I DO think that in general interpersonal relationships are better and healthier here than in the States, and I think it's just plain easier to get laid here. But a lot of people come here and can't see the forest for the trees.
I think a lot of it is people are just in denial about how far America has fallen and how fucked up it's really become. They use AW as a scapegoat. One again, not seeing the forest for the trees.
Many Americans are in denial and repeat Neo Conservative Talking points ad nausam...
I'm not in denial, I work basically two positions for the same rate of pay. Productivity in the US keeps going up but wages keep stagnet or going downward.
Women have a warped sense of what is important to a good relationship.
Men have a warped sense of what's important in a good relationship
I have only said its better for me elsewhere because I'm not getting anywhere here and the nerve of some people to suggest that changing my lifestyle from what it is current would have a net positive effect on my social life.
NO IT WON'T!
It will be the same 30something MINGERS that will try and contact me. They just won't try and clown me about living at home that's all. Seldom are they attractive enough to even FUCK, I could spend all evening/morning linking you to examples and even post what some women send me in notes on dating sites but why????
It should be ENOUGH that I tell you it plain SUCKS in America period unless you RICH and even then you'll have issues...
Cloud Palms
09-11-08, 19:15
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/living/2008/09/11/gianulias.virginity.for.sale.kovr
http://www.usmagazine.com/news/22-year-old-auctioning-off-her-virginity
22-Year-Old Auctioning Off Her Virginity
Wednesday September 10, 2008
Buzz up!
Going once....
A Sacramento State grad is putting her virginity on the auction block to help pay for her studies.
"I don't think auctioning my virginity will solve all my problems, but it will create some financial stability," the 22-year-old (who uses the pseudonym "Natalie Dylan") says on tonight's The Insider. "I'm ready for the controversy ... I'm ready to do this."
Dylan says she's already taken a polygraph test to prove her virginal status and is also willing to undergo a medical exam.
She says she hopes to net up to a million dollars from the auction, which will take place in Nevada at the infamous Moonlight Bunny Ranch (eBay turned her down).
"Through this process I'm not just looking for the highest bidder," she says, adding, "I'm looking for someone who is a genuine, overall nice person."
Tarius Shinobi
09-11-08, 22:21
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/living/2008/09/11/gianulias.virginity.for.sale.kovr
http://www.usmagazine.com/news/22-year-old-auctioning-off-her-virginity
22-Year-Old Auctioning Off Her Virginity
Wednesday September 10, 2008
Buzz up!
Going once....
A Sacramento State grad is putting her virginity on the auction block to help pay for her studies.
"I don't think auctioning my virginity will solve all my problems, but it will create some financial stability," the 22-year-old (who uses the pseudonym "Natalie Dylan") says on tonight's The Insider. "I'm ready for the controversy ... I'm ready to do this."
Dylan says she's already taken a polygraph test to prove her virginal status and is also willing to undergo a medical exam.
She says she hopes to net up to a million dollars from the auction, which will take place in Nevada at the infamous Moonlight Bunny Ranch (eBay turned her down).
"Through this process I'm not just looking for the highest bidder," she says, adding, "I'm looking for someone who is a genuine, overall nice person."Wtf? Damn, I can't believe this chick!
Any man, or men who respond to her proposal is a fool!
She is a lazy "erohw"! Like most AW.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/living/2008/09/11/gianulias.virginity.for.sale.kovr
http://www.usmagazine.com/news/22-year-old-auctioning-off-her-virginity
22-Year-Old Auctioning Off Her Virginity
Wednesday September 10, 2008
Buzz up!
Going once....
A Sacramento State grad is putting her virginity on the auction block to help pay for her studies.
"I don't think auctioning my virginity will solve all my problems, but it will create some financial stability," the 22-year-old (who uses the pseudonym "Natalie Dylan") says on tonight's The Insider. "I'm ready for the controversy ... I'm ready to do this."
Dylan says she's already taken a polygraph test to prove her virginal status and is also willing to undergo a medical exam.
She says she hopes to net up to a million dollars from the auction, which will take place in Nevada at the infamous Moonlight Bunny Ranch (eBay turned her down).
"Through this process I'm not just looking for the highest bidder," she says, adding, "I'm looking for someone who is a genuine, overall nice person."
I think I will go for this auction.
After all I am a "genuine, overall nice person". Many 18-22 y.o girls tell me this, in Brazil. It could be true, even if i am soon 50.
Not that she was so special. A little cute, maybe. Not nothing special.
Will Brazilian R$ 100 do ? Completa for the whole night ?
B
Cloud Palms
09-12-08, 01:53
Will Brazilian R$ 100 do ? Completa for the whole night ?
Buddy with these broads 100R will get you barely a handshake.
Gotta hand it to her. At least she's honest about being a prostitute.
I respect her far more than golddigging husband hunters who marry for money while they couch it in more lofty spiritual terms about "love & holy matrimony".
Angus Magee
09-12-08, 15:35
The woman, who has earned a bachelor degree in women's studies and now wants to start a master's degree in marriage and family therapy, is hoping the bidding will hit $1 million.
I think she may be over estimating her worth
Buddy with these broads 100R will get you barely a handshake.
I assume that you meant a HJ. Gosh, that was not cheap.
I think I pass.
B
This chick's virginity is suspect. There's a whole lot of fake virgins running around. Lie detector tests mean nothing- they only measure how nervous a person is. As far as medical exams go, plastic surgeons can 'restore' a woman's virginity (reconstruct the hymen). I bet her and her pimp are going to be laughing all the way to bank. I hope the rich sucker enjoys his little fantasy.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/living/2008/09/11/gianulias.virginity.for.sale.kovr
http://www.usmagazine.com/news/22-year-old-auctioning-off-her-virginity
22-Year-Old Auctioning Off Her Virginity
Wednesday September 10, 2008
Buzz up!
Going once.
A Sacramento State grad is putting her virginity on the auction block to help pay for her studies.
"I don't think auctioning my virginity will solve all my problems, but it will create some financial stability," the 22-year-old (who uses the pseudonym "Natalie Dylan") says on tonight's The Insider. "I'm ready for the controversy ... I'm ready to do this."
Dylan says she's already taken a polygraph test to prove her virginal status and is also willing to undergo a medical exam.
She says she hopes to net up to a million dollars from the auction, which will take place in Nevada at the infamous Moonlight Bunny Ranch (eBay turned her down).
"Through this process I'm not just looking for the highest bidder," she says, adding, "I'm looking for someone who is a genuine, overall nice person."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26742851/from/ET/?gt1=43001
Clean the house, cook the food, do the dishes, and suck my dick. And in that order. Because I can do the first three and probably better than you can. You can be replaced.
I tried to start a thread to hear the stories of the married mongers. Why do it. Why get married if you know you are going to monger? Nice piece I read on the net.......
Why Marry?
By Blackest Bart
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Mens, today I must be serious. Let me say I am humbley sorry in advance of my serious thoughts. Today I want to talk about the greatest socialist fraud of all times. Any whorse by the same name we call MARRIAGE!!! We have all been lead down the primose path of external happiness, being told that marriage will bring us salivation and forevers happyness. I say bullocks! I say Roger Rabbit has a better chance of jumping off your TV screen and into your living room. I will explaination.
Haven’t not we all been told since we were little kippers that we should grow “up” and becomes marry’d mens? Then we will be happy and live a long time. HHAAHAHAHAHAHA!!! First I will tell you why this would never work for real mens like Blackest Bart, Aha, and Billy Bob Toolarge, and then I will tell you why it will never work for ordinary mens.
Real mens are like butter. We like to fly from butter stick to butter stick and try them all. Did you guys read “My Fxxxed Up Story” written by the pathetically misguided and loser The Dutchman? Here is a 23 year old boy with a broken heart and not much upstairs eh? First let me say to The Dutchmen that ifs you are going to write to a lot of people about your spoiled milk, the least you can do is learn to spell and do english properly! It is spelled FUCKED, not Fxxxed! And while the story is hilarious it is not fucked up. Instead lad, you are fucked up and I am going to use you as a example of why mens your age should not marry. Ok with you eh?
I will get to the meet. 23 years old and you probably would have ended up marrying this barsgirl/*****. Yes, I know you didn’t tell us she was a *****, but we can reach between the lines maybe better than you could reach real life. This girl maybe did care about you more than you know. Why? Because she knew you were too good, albeit appropriately stupid enough, to marry a girl like her. She let you go in her way because she cared about you. But that is not the real point, I just tend to get digressed a lot when presented with such a pathetic story such as yours. Me reading a story like yours is like a giving a Irish man yet ‘one more’ whisky. HAHAHAHAHA!
The point sir! Yes, to the point. Mens are like butter. We like to go from stick of butter to stick of butter. ALL THE DAMM BUTTER WE CAN GO TO! Men are man whorse. ALL men. Any man who tells you he does not want to sleep with as many women as possible is not a man, he would be a homo. At 23 you want to stay stuck in just one butter stick??? Really? For the rest of your natural life, from the time you are 23, only this one girl? This is what is expected from your socialist when you marry. For the rest of your life, you will only sleep with this one *****. Oh, you say she is not a *****? Perhaps not at the moment, but I guarandamnT you she will be one very shortly into your “rest of natural life!” Her young looks and shaply body will most likely not make it to age 28. By 35 the metawhorsis from young and nubile girl, to Shamu the Bitchy Whale will become complete. By 40 her vagina will have filled itself in and be no more. By 50 she will have grown a penis bigger than yours, but that’s ok because your boobs will probably be bigger than hers. If some bloke would have told me at 23 “you can only sleep with this one girl for the rest of your life” I would have known I was in hell!
I say we should use marriage instead of the death penalty. Some 23 year old guy commits murder and socialist want him to pay the highest price for his sins. Sure, we could gas and bury him. OR, we could make him marry an average 23 year old american woman for LIFE WITH NO POSSIBILITY OF DIVORCE! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! And the “grown up” Dutchman was willing to do this voluntarily! Hell, we would have ex-cons banging on the gates of execution centers with their fat 30 year old american wife in tow begging to be executed. They would say “Have mercy! Look at this woman! She is four times her healthy weight and she never closes her mouth! Please kill me now?” Yes, make murderers marry american women instead of execution. For multiple murders, make it british womens eh? AHAHAHAHAHAAHA!!!
Seriously, can any real man even begin to imagine being with only one womens for the rest of his life? This is just a start.. Paul McCartney had to pay his gimp of a wife 45 MILLION DOLLARS to make her go way. It was reported this week that Phil Collins had to pay 47 MILLION DOLLARS to make his go away. Mens, I don’t mind paying a womens way when she is with me, fucking me, cooking for me, cleaning my houses and boats, and so on. But I do mind having to pay them when once they are gone. Most men will end up paying VAGINAMONY for years, if not forever. Often, vaginamony and child support payments are more than half what a man makes. And for what? For being made to sleep with the same woman ‘forever’, for not having the fun of meeting new women, for having to listen to all her yapping for years???
Mens, I challenge ye. Tell me one thing you cannot do when not married, that you can do when married? Careful with your answers eh? One moron told me “tax breaks” which told me he married his wife for tax reasons which is ok if you are a professional mens whorse, but real men do not need to marry to save a few Canadian dollars on their taxes. Think about this carefully, and unless you’re a 70+ year old loser who needs to get his bargirl wife a visa, tell me one single good reason to get married? There is no legal thing your solicitor could not do by way of legal documents, you can have kids (do not know why you would want to), you can live together (don’t you guys ever learn?), you can do anything you want with that woman without marrying her. Can not you “love her truly and deeply forever” without a marriage document?
The Marriage Booty Myth: I have listened to mens tell me they want to get marry’d so they can have regular pussy. Reaaaallly? Have not these mens listened to every other married mens tell them what happens once the marriage contract is signed? Let me explaination to you once more. When womens are “auditioning” for the part of Ms. You, they have the best personalities, every thing you do is fine with them, they love your comfortable clothes, they appear to love sex ALL the time, they cook and clean, and even swallow! But.. but.. Once the contract is signed and the words “I do” are muttered, EVERYTHING CHANGES!!!
The first thing that changes with the new Ms. You, is that she thinks she can change you. Certain (or maybe all) friends are no longer “good for you”, your old clothes get threw away, maybe she goes with you to your barber and tells him how SHE likes your hair eh? Then your house. Nothing is good enough or “right” enough any more. Her car which was always fine before you got married now is unsafe and falling apart and needs immediate replacement. Thats ok though, YOU are loaded with cash right? All while this is happening she’s using access to the Golden Vagina and her moods to control you. Hey, if you want to keep that comfortable Ez-boy recliner chair and not buy the new leather Italian one she likes, fine. She will pout and access to the Golden Vagina will be restricted and she will make you beg like a soi dog to get access again. She knows she has you over a barrel, after all her audition is over and she has the part, she is now in control and you are the sucker who married her. Get used to things like this, this is marry’d life eh?
If you were dating a woman like this you’d go “NEXT” and the next lady auditioning for the part enters stage right. You keep auditioning women until one smart enough to play the game better than you comes on stage, and makes YOU think YOU want to get marry’d!!! Mens, can not you see the wide elephant in the room? The womens smart enough to make you think getting marry’d was YOUR idea.. is the very dangerous one. She just proved she is more smart than you and she will use these smarts to make your life hell until she gets everything she wants. What does she want? Complete and total control over every decision you make! Oh, and she will no longer love sex, give blow jobs much less swallow, and now that she has the part as Ms. You she no longer must care about her looks. She already has that marriage contract in hand and you must do what she wants or else!
Or else? Yes, if you don’t do what she wants she will get a lawyer and take everything you currently own which is bad, but she will also take what you have not even earned yet! She might get 50% of the profits of the business you had before she met you, that only you worked for, and now will continue to get 50% of those profits from the business FOREVER while meanwhile you work your ass off to make those profits while she does what she’s always done concerning the business. Nothing! The business is property. On top of the property settlement there is the VAGINAMONY payment. IF you were stupid enough to have kids with such a woman (probably because she pouted and locked up the Golden Vagina until you agreed) she will also get child support. Laddy’s, you know will be able to keep less than 50% of what you earn AFTER the government takes its 50% before hand in taxes.
Mens have told me womens don’t think like this. Stupid mens. Of course they do. They know their rights and that the courts will support them and give them everything if the marriage does not go the way SHE wants. True love? Do not make your Blackest Bart barf yet again!
What is a marriage document? Have you ever seen the legal documents to incorporate? Exactly like marriage. Both are contracts that say you will stay “together’ and that you will “share assets.” It is a marriage CONTRACT. Your province, territory, or state, will use this CONTRACT to make you give this woman you no longer want, probably because she has gained huge amounts of weight and become super *****, half of everything you own. And more. More? Yes. As much as 60% of everything you will earn in the FUTURE! This is worse than the gift that keeps on giving. This is the gift that keeps on taking!
The marriage contracts and laws are heavily in the womens favor, men usually make more money than women (because we are stronger and smarter), mens age much better than womens, and more. So what possible reasons could a rational and intelligent man have for getting married eh? And let us be honesty ok? Let us say you are now 45 years old and have gotten used to fucking 25 year old hot and toned beauty’s. You meat a nice 25 year old hot and toned beauty with a lot going for her and you start thinking about marrying this whorse. Ok. Think deepely. (we covered this before, but one more time eh?) In ten years when you are 55 will you be just as happy fucking your now 35 year old not so hot, not so trim, and not so beautiful wife, after ten years of sex with the same woman? OR OR OR will you still want the same 25 year old hot and toned beautys you’ve enjoyed for years before meeting this “special womens” who has made you lose your reality and has dragged you by your shaven short and curly’s through shere telekinesiss alone.. ??????? This of course was a rhetorically amusing questions eh? We already know the real answers. The real questions is do you also know the answers, or are you just ignoring them?
So my good mens. When I see fucked up emissions like the one from “The Dutchman” and countless others.. these are the thoughts that run through my head. Why are not these thoughts running threw your head two eh? eh? eh? Blackest Bart wants to know why.. Hey, you do not must believe your Blackest Bart. Instead, you can believe Paul McCartney and Phil Collins. They paid out 50 million each. Divide that by the number of months marry’d and you are talking $500,000 per year? Those fools could have had 2-3 of the best and youngest call girls as much as they wanted, new ones all the time, the best sex, any kind of sex, anything they wanted and as much of it.. for a tiny fraction of this amount. They paid this 50 million for the dubious privilege of being stuck with the same manipulating, aging, growing fats, ***** with a golden vagina? What were they thinking??? Blackest Bart knows you do not have 50 million, but the same applies to what you do have. They will take it. Listens men, in to days world, there is no reason a MAN would want to get married. Think about it.
Sure the girls can get greedy here. But this ain't Cuba... a tube of toothpaste or a loaf of bread won't do it. :P Hell, I dunno if it would do it in Cuba anymore, the world is changing.
If you really want to be a sugar daddy here to anything resembling a good looking girl, you need a lot more money than you might think.
I've seen dumbass gringos buy girls CARS here and still get denied booty.
I think you are right. I am currently in Tashkent and am shocked at the shit GCC and Turkish foreigners and local men buy for these girls. It's fucking unbelievable. This country is fucking poor too.
It seems that are many more sugar daddies than you may think in the world. Dudes buying cars for mistresses and dropping G's like some oligarch.
This Russain chick that I am banging gets 1200 a month from some Dubai dude and she is still hooking and trying to find men to give her large amounts of money. She has never worked a day in her life but has more nice clothes, cell phones, and a more exotic photo album than most Americans will ever have.
Seriously, how much do you think it costs to be sugar daddy to a good looking girl and have exclusive rights to her?
I am thinking between 30k-40k a year.
Your thoughts???
I tried to start a thread to hear the stories of the married mongers. Why do it. Why get married if you know you are going to monger? Nice piece I read on the net.......
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Excitement, variety, and convenience. ...perhaps sexual deviancy too are reasons why men monger.
What makes a good wife, a good girlfriend, and a good ***** are all different.
Doctor_Skank
09-18-08, 10:48
I tried to start a thread to hear the stories of the married mongers. Why do it. Why get married if you know you are going to monger? Nice piece I read on the net.......
In my opinion there is only one reason to marry:family. It is a noble thing, but still doesn't have to (or shouldn't have to) mean your sex life or mongering life is over.
In my opinion there is only one reason to marry:family. It is a noble thing, but still doesn't have to (or shouldn't have to) mean your sex life or mongering life is over.
You don't need to marry to start a family and as for mongering while married you know I wonder how most married man on this board would take it if their ole gal step out. I am not married but in a LTR if she stepped out on me I would have to cut her loose that's just my thoughts....
You don't need to marry to start a family and as for mongering while married you know I wonder how most married man on this board would take it if their ole gal step out. I am not married but in a LTR if she stepped out on me I would have to cut her loose that's just my thoughts....
Marriage maximizes financial resources: Two incomes contributing to one household under a lower tax bracket as opposed to two incomes contributing to two households under a higher tax rate.
Stability: I don't know what I would have done when I busted my leg and pelvis if it were not for my x-wife. I had an "accident" in my pants while bed ridden and could not envsion anyone but a wife cleaning me up.
Kids Welfare: Innumerable studies show that, on average, children in a two parent household do better than kids raised by a single parent.
Shacking up would address the latter two points but may not be a good deal for the lady.
In the east, like in my present location, marriage is important in the surrounding community and is a necessity for the woman. If a man is not married people wonder about his sexuality and worse.
Bango Cheito
09-18-08, 18:47
In many countries now your joint tax liability actually INCREASES if you are married, which is one of the good reasons so few people are even bothering these days.
I doubt those studies, I don't think a single one of them was empirically done. The conservative elements of society don't want change because they are at the top of the ladder and they know any change will probably be personally bad for them, so they support the idea of the family, not because it's the best option, but simply because it's not change.
I think children can potentially grow up healthy in ANY kind of a "family" environment, as long as the time and resources are dedicated to them to help them flourish.
In short, I think marriage and the family are VASTLY overrated right now, and this is unconscious knowledge which is the reason it is disappearing by inches.
In many countries now your joint tax liability actually INCREASES if you are married, which is one of the good reasons so few people are even bothering these days.
I doubt those studies, I don't think a single one of them was empirically done. The conservative elements of society don't want change because they are at the top of the ladder and they know any change will probably be personally bad for them, so they support the idea of the family, not because it's the best option, but simply because it's not change.
I think children can potentially grow up healthy in ANY kind of a "family" environment, as long as the time and resources are dedicated to them to help them flourish.
In short, I think marriage and the family are VASTLY overrated right now, and this is unconscious knowledge which is the reason it is disappearing by inches.
1. Perhaps, but not in America. I assume that most people who post in this section fall under US tax jurisdiction.
2. I think its common sense that a two parent household is superior to a one parent household;however, anything is possible and there are many great one parent households.
Jelly Donut
09-19-08, 00:40
2. I think its common sense that a two parent household is superior to a one parent household;however, anything is possible and there are many great one parent households.
Speaking sweepingly, it's almost always been the case that kids grow up in single parent households - if you think about how many guys died in the American Civil War, the Second World War, the First Punic War, the Anglo–Zanzibar War, The Quasi-War, the various Wars of Scottish Independence, the Russian Revolution, the Second Sino-Japanese War, Alexander the Great's various efforts at world conquest - the list is very extensive. It all adds up to a lot of single mothers. And that's basically the way life was until very recent history.
It still didn't stop progress. Brahms grew up in a *****house; Newton was born three months after the death of his father.
Of course, Stalin's dad was a belligerent drunk, while Gandhi's was apparently at least around till he was 15. Still, whatever advantages it holds, the idea of conventional two-parent 'American' households is a fairly new one.
If it's "common sense" that two parents are better than one, why not three or four? I'm listening to B. B. King's "Paying the Cost to Be the Boss" and I'm thinking it should be required listening for anyone getting PWed by an AW. Richard Pryor also grew up in a *****house and he wass way funnier than Brahms.
you guys are trying to argue the exception rather than the rule. once again, it’s quite specious to argue that a one parent household is better than a two parent household for both reasons of financial and emotional/social nourishment.
lemme tell you something i learned from my rotc days regarding battlefield deaths, the number of kias in conflicts throughout time is generally lower than what one would expect. some of the wars which you speak of were very violent but not excessively lethal for their participants. remember patton’s speech to the 4th (or 2nd ) army: “men, less than 2% of you will die in combat.”
dickehead, you are right:..three…four people in the house are better than one…this is called the extended family, which dominated the familial scene for the bulk of history. if grandma does not live with you, she lives within earshot of you and will be on that ass if you do what you shouldn’t be doing.
in the west today, the sense of community and village has largely dissipated with the world transitioning to an urban, as opposed to agrarian, society.
let us not forget, for the majority of history (for all but the truly blessed) life for people was very hard…they essentially toiled in the fields, factories, and small shops for their lifetimes.
marriage is a contract, one that has generally been defined where the man buys shit and protects the woman and the woman does whatever the hell he says…women couldn’t even vote or hold land for much of the world’s history…hell in many countries they can’t do so even today.
in the usa though, this no longer hold true. so i can empathize with many of your qualms about the benefits of marriage.
Bango Cheito
09-19-08, 19:16
My point is, the benefits of a kid being raised by two parents instead of one derive DIRECTLY from the time and resources being alloted to the care of the kid by two parents instead of one, NOT some garbage about the sanctity of marriage or some silly fucking superstition of having the kid being raised by their biological parents.
There are plenty examples of dysfunctional "traditional" (in the Victorian sense) families, as a matter of fact, I'd bet dollars to donuts they outnumber the FUNCTIONAL ones.
I'd put money on a kid raised by one genius over a kid raised by two happily married idiots any day, even if the genius is around much less than the idiots.
Frankly, whenever I read the same garbage about some moron on here looking for a "traditional" wife in Asia or Latin America. It just makes my stomach churn. These people are grasping at straws, and they are the LAST people I want to see breed. They are IMO part of the problem.
Doctor_Skank
09-19-08, 19:40
My point a few posts back was:
If you aren't having kids, don't even think about marriage.
If you are having kids and plan on being their father, marriage is something you should consider.
Obviously societal changes as well as the male libido may make marriage a tough sell, but there still is some merit to it.
Nonetheless, it is shameful that men in particular are continuously punished for being married when those marriages fail. It is no wonder many men are afraid of it or many women have to complain about men who are afraid to commit.
The vast majority of the benefits of marriage are for the woman. The man gains very little.
Jelly Donut
09-20-08, 00:52
i learned from my rotc days regarding battlefield deaths, the number of kias in conflicts throughout time is generally lower than what one would expect. some of the wars which you speak of were very violent but not excessively lethal for their participants. remember patton’s speech to the 4th (or 2nd ) army: “men, less than 2% of you will die in combat.”
i'm sure everyone understands why patton would be motivated to discount the odds of death in combat and why rotc would move those ideas forward. the reality of more contemporary armies is that massive numbers of people are not directly engaged in fighting, so it trips the numbers. you might be able to see this here - the us percentge is low because the us never really had anywhere near 11 million soliders in combat, in contrast with the commitments of russia or germany.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/world_war_ii_casualties#casualties_by_branch_of_service see casualties by branch of service
able-bodied guys, the guys most likely to start families, put their lives on the line and often end up dead.
if there's a 1 percent chance you are going to die on a french beach on june 6, 1944. and a 1 percent chance you are going to die in the french countryside on june 7, 1944. and a 1 percent chance you are going to die in the french countryside on june 8, 1944. and so on. by the end of seven days, the chances that you are dead run around 6.8 percent. that's just your first week. the smarter you are the quicker you understand your death, given enough days, is nearly mathmatically certain. it's not like patton is going to talk that up. you'll be damn happy germany comes to terms in less than a year.
620,000 mostly young men died in the american civil war (mostly through combat-related disease, not "combat" - you're still 100 percent dead) - i figure that's about 1.7 percent of the entire population and a far larger percentage of the young male population.
besides, war is just one aspect of why two parent households are so uncommon in history.
richard pryor also grew up in a *****house and he wass way funnier than brahms
obviously you never saw brahms try to do stand up.
Doctor_Skank
09-20-08, 01:45
In short, I think marriage and the family are VASTLY overrated right now, and this is unconscious knowledge which is the reason it is disappearing by inches.I disagree. FUNCTIONAL family and a FUNCTIONAL marriage... both providing a healthy emotional atmosphere to a child, will both contribute greatly to a child's personal development, more so than a single parent would in most cases.
Of course non-functional could be even worse, but I try to see things positively...:)
Chocha Monger
09-21-08, 02:44
You don't need to marry to start a family and as for mongering while married you know I wonder how most married man on this board would take it if their ole gal step out. I am not married but in a LTR if she stepped out on me I would have to cut her loose that's just my thoughts....
Ricky Martin and Dennis Quaid both used surrogate mothers to start families. This arrangement provides maximum legal protection against custody and financial support lawsuits that usually come with having children by conventional means. Marriage and shacking up are no longer necessary elements to starting a family.
I can't really see any advantages in getting married for someone who fully intends to continue mongering. At some point the two lifestyles will eventually come into conflict.
Functional depends on the society you are a part of. Some mormon sects have multiple wives, as do many other foreign culture. Here in the US aman and a woman can live together (not married) and raise a family. A girl I work with been with sma eguy for 20 yewars, have 2 kids and live 2 blocks aprat for that 20 years. They're happy sometimes just having theuir own space.
This country tries to define the functional family as a man/woman, 2 kids and a dog. It's part of the package our government and religons have pushed on us for 200 years.
I divorced years ago and am very close to my daughter, yes the separation / visitation sometimes creates issues, but the child is happy and knows she's loved.
I'm sure everyone understands why Patton would be motivated to discount the odds of death in combat and why ROTC would move those ideas forward. The reality of more contemporary armies is that massive numbers of people are not directly engaged in fighting, so it trips the numbers. You might be able to see this here - the US percentge is low because the US never really had anywhere near 11 million soliders in combat, in contrast with the commitments of Russia or Germany.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Casualties_by_branch_of_service see casualties by branch of service
Able-bodied guys, the guys most likely to start families, put their lives on the line and often end up dead.
If there's a 1 percent chance you are going to die on a French beach on June 6, 1944. And a 1 percent chance you are going to die in the French countryside on June 7, 1944. And a 1 percent chance you are going to die in the French countryside on June 8, 1944. And so on. By the end of seven days, the chances that you are dead run around 6.8 percent. That's just your first week. The smarter you are the quicker you understand your death, given enough days, is nearly mathmatically certain. It's not like Patton is going to talk that up. You'll be damn happy Germany comes to terms in less than a year.
620,000 mostly young men died in the American Civil War (mostly through combat-related disease, not "combat" - you're still 100 percent dead) - I figure that's about 1.7 percent of the entire population and a far larger percentage of the young male population.
Besides, war is just one aspect of why two parent households are so uncommon in history.
Obviously you never saw Brahms try to do stand up.
Thanks for the link, the numbers seem a bit high to me but certainly within the range of plausibility. I'd love to see some stats on the fatality percentage of men under arms throughout histroy. Something still tells me that the number would be lower than what one might think--at least until the age of mechanized warfare (pre WWI and the machine gun).
I guess the true question is: Don't you guys get lonely? I don't know about you, but I am so fucking sick of my lifestyle. Deluding myself that the garbage we boast about on this message board is a vertitable subsitute for intimacy. New country, new pussy, more money, but same hollowness inside...god forbide the day I start hitting the mini bar.
I guess we should all agree that we each seek different things, for me it's stability with a relaible and trustworthy partner, not sex. I have banged so many chicks..some extreamly hot, and I still feel lonely and empty inside.
I would give it all up in a heartbeat if I could.
Doctor_Skank
09-22-08, 10:33
I would give it all up in a heartbeat if I could.Oh boo hoo. No, you wouldn't. :)
Once you've started getting lots of pussy, it's impossible to "reduce" yourself to a single partner. At least that's the way I see it from here.
Oh boo hoo. No, you wouldn't. :)
Once you've started getting lots of pussy, it's impossible to "reduce" yourself to a single partner. At least that's the way I see it from here.
The good DR is right. I don’t know whether I was a sex addict before I discovered SE Asia and the place just brought it out or my options was limited and I just played the hand I was dealt. All I know since discovering the orient where finding “quality” pussy is cheap and as easy as Sunday morning I cannot go back to that existence of what they call “normal” in the States....
DJ FourMoney
09-23-08, 01:20
The good DR is right. I don’t know whether I was a sex addict before I discovered SE Asia and the place just brought it out or my options was limited and I just played the hand I was dealt. All I know since discovering the orient where finding “quality” pussy is cheap and as easy as Sunday morning I cannot go back to that existence of what they call “normal” in the States....
And this is what I have been thinking about....
Why be married to some tramp that doesn't wanna have children because she's over 40???
In fact, many woman in the States or in most of "Western Culture" put the brakes on having children around 35, especially if they have a child already.
Some have questioned why I want children and honestly I can't give really good answer. I just believe I can be an effective parent and yes you can do that with some poor kid that has no parents or only one parent.
But honestly -
I'm not having sex, I'm not connecting with anybody locally and getting married and children seem further and further away that ever.
If I'm going to spend the rest of my days just trying to find women to fuck and occasionally have a long term relationship with, then the US is not the place I should be with so many other issues that cloud social progress.
For me long term paying for it makes as much sense as leasing a car. I drive too much to lease and I want to fuck too much to pay for it.
Any suggestions???
And this is what I have been thinking about....
Why be married to some tramp that doesn't wanna have children because she's over 40???
In fact, many woman in the States or in most of "Western Culture" put the brakes on having children around 35, especially if they have a child already.
Some have questioned why I want children and honestly I can't give really good answer. I just believe I can be an effective parent and yes you can do that with some poor kid that has no parents or only one parent.
But honestly -
I'm not having sex, I'm not connecting with anybody locally and getting married and children seem further and further away that ever.
If I'm going to spend the rest of my days just trying to find women to fuck and occasionally have a long term relationship with, then the US is not the place I should be with so many other issues that cloud social progress.
For me long term paying for it makes as much sense as leasing a car. I drive too much to lease and I want to fuck too much to pay for it.
Any suggestions???
Brother DJ you have suffered enough its time to come home. :D The third world awaits you. Not Europe (entitlement attitudes, high prices) but the real third world SE Asia and South America.
DJ FourMoney
09-23-08, 12:23
Brother DJ you have suffered enough its time to come home. :D The third world awaits you. Not Europe (entitlement attitudes, high prices) but the real third world SE Asia and South America.
Entitlements sure, but the socially democratic state makes it very affordable to have children and an education. Latin America is just beginning to finally take back control of their countries from the US Gov and US based Energy Companies and Construction Firms.
Plus I have this "thing" for Caucasian women I don't think I can replace that with Latinas or Asian women, especially Asians. Latinas can be a good surrogate for that, but Europe might be still the ideal place for me, there's always Spain of course, boy they have high employment there - 10%
Argentina might be my first pick if I were to go to Latin America....
Plus I just started with Eastern Europe, I need to give that the college try...
Entitlements sure, but the socially democratic state makes it very affordable to have children and an education. Latin America is just beginning to finally take back control of their countries from the US Gov and US based Energy Companies and Construction Firms.
Plus I have this "thing" for Caucasian women I don't think I can replace that with Latinas or Asian women, especially Asians. Latinas can be a good surrogate for that, but Europe might be still the ideal place for me, there's always Spain of course, boy they have high employment there - 10%
Argentina might be my first pick if I were to go to Latin America....
Plus I just started with Eastern Europe, I need to give that the college try...
For me I have always had a thing for Asian women every since I was a little boy don't know why. Maybe too much Kung Fu Sunday in my home town when I was a young lad :D Asian and only Asian I would choose for a wife or LTR as I have one now. I keep her completely separated from my extracurricular activities.
I love Asians but I would fuck and I am trying to fuck every nationality female and human under the sun before my time on this planet expires :D Asia for me is paradise is on earth. Orgies, threesomes, and foursomes everything is on the menu here and cost relatively little dough. I have a two-track mind money and sex :D I wish you good luck but if ever find yourself in PI don't hesitate to look me up.
Tarius Shinobi
09-23-08, 20:23
Lisa Raye McCoy from the Ghetto Stripper flick "The Player's Club" married a high ranking diplomat from The Turks & Caicos Islands a few years back, and they are already having problems-and a divorce pending.
Jelly Donut
09-23-08, 23:44
I guess the true question is: Don't you guys get lonely? I don't know about you, but I am so fucking sick of my lifestyle. Deluding myself that the garbage we boast about on this message board is a vertitable subsitute for intimacy. New country, new pussy, more money, but same hollowness inside...god forbide the day I start hitting the mini bar.
I don't know what your circumstances are, but the path to intimacy is always open for guys. If you want to develop a more initmate relationship with a women, that option is not likely to ever be closed to you.
I remember taking a single friend of mine on a cruise while he was in his late 80's - the older AW were all politely hitting on what was one of the few eligible guys on the trip. As you get older, that territory is yours if just hold out a bit longer than the average American male.
Of course, there are tons of great younger AW who would love to find a younger guy who's done with "games" and wants a family and kids. I've seen one over-sexed ex-vet make the transition from 'monger' to, apparently, loyal husband. So it seems like it might work for some guys.
It seems like a hard path to me, but once you've got a AW wife and kids, you probably will not have much time to consider loneliness and other aspects of the human condition. Masks the problem, if nothing else.
What about getting a dog?
"Of course, there are tons of great younger AW who would love to find a younger guy who's done with 'games.'"
Dude, I want some of whatever you been smoking.
DJ FourMoney
09-24-08, 08:10
Lisa Raye McCoy from the Ghetto Stripper flick "The Player's Club" married a high ranking diplomat from The Turks & Caicos Islands a few years back, and they are already having problems-and a divorce pending.
Master P - "Lisa Raye Woooo"
Of course I love many of the sistas you see in KING but c'mon they want those thugged out Gangsta brothas and Lisa wanted a serious dude and couldn't find it among the Hip Hop generation so she opted for a "real" Diplomat instead of "The Diplomats".
:)
DJ FourMoney
09-24-08, 09:05
"Of course, there are tons of great younger AW who would love to find a younger guy who's done with 'games.'"
Dude, I want some of whatever you been smoking.
So do I that's some good shit whatever is it...
I wish I could date younger women but my age despite my loooks gets in the way, because I want to be honest and they do ASK, so there you are.
Of course they don't believe me but then reality kicks in and your WRONG dude, they diss me thinking I DO want children and I DO want to get married.
Between 21 and 28 they just aren't "ready". The only "ready" ones at those ages have BAGGAGE (Children), so again there you are.
What you should have said -
"Single Mothers under 30 are more than ready to settle down"
Career women over 35 complain about the lack of available single men, they are fooling themselves. There are plenty of men, if they forget the typical "My Social Equal" (meaning same level of education and income) and just take Joe Shumo off the street with a solid job and career path. He can still be attractive just not loaded down with money. Why can't she be the one that earns the most? How come it has to be the male? This is how American women want it and if Obama gets in they'll get equal pay, you know Federal Law...
See but Americans are generally stupid and American Women aren't above this either.
So its Go East or South or South-East young man....
Western Europe is one of the most expensive places to live and its taxed like no tomorrow compared to the US, but in return your government WORKS, unlike America at present (we'll see because Congress is finally standing up to Big Business "AGAIN" remember FDR...1929) and I can have kids for free (well it comes out of my taxes, I won't notice) and send them to school for nothing out of my pocket (well not nothing but still cheap) and they'll get a better education overall and go to school HALF the time.
In my world view, the glass is half full, not half empty... High taxes don't bother me I'm on the lower end of the tax bracket we don't get hit that hard.
Back to the main topic -
"Where the White Women At????"
In America, I get this overtone of no racial harmony as judged by the AP/Yahoo poll and Troy Davis' ALMOST death for being the victim of typical Southern United States Justice....
Can I finally get away from that?
Yes I can, go to Europe.... Where I'm just "American" wow how novel.
And while being American is a bit novel in Europe especially for African-Americans that aren't in the military and aren't working for some multi-national company, I doubt seriously it would take very long to make an impact socially.
My friend in Norway was telling me that one of the few Black Americans she knew lived in Starvenger and worked for Royal Dutch Shell and as she put it, "had the pick of the litter" when it came to women and dated model types ad nauseam.
I have no "dream" of being able to repeat that feat because I base my success on my local successes and I hover around the 5-6 range in looks with an occasional 7-8.
But most of this is based on my "pool" of talent which is limited by my race, income and location, location, location. Funny how that works in America....
As I said on another forum, I choose to "cheat the system" and like moving a trial out of a place where you won't think your pool of jurors will get you a fair trial, I know taking my show on the road will change things that are normally negative to the positive.
1) I change from being a African-American or Black Man, to being Just an American who happens to be Black and that's more often than not a POSITIVE thing.
2) I wouldn't be living at home
3) I have easy and fairly cheap access to Eastern Europe, while still being able to have a full frontal assault on Western Europe
This project is horribly expensive if I constantly traveled to Europe, so relocation is in the mix and most likely will be the route I go, it makes the most sense. But since I don't have any White Collar experience it will take a "fact finding" mission to gauge my likely sources of income and yeah I should learn the local language but I'm typical American lazy, its English all day, everyday limiting my likely stomping grounds to be -
The Netherlands, Scandinavia, Belgium, The UK and maybe Germany.
If I want to own a car (sure I do!) it will likely be Germany, Belgium , Sweden, Norway or The Netherlands. Denmark has crazy taxes on ownership of a car and like I said the lack of a White Collar job will limit my income and I might not be able to afford one. I would still use public transportation cause its there and its affordable, meaning operating cost of a car is much less than at home.
I'm deadly serious about this, ex-pats can't only be just those with intellectual positions or ex military members that still work for the military in some capacity.
There still jobs that locals don't even want, so I'll be down for those I guess.
Daddy, I would like to roll down to PI and when I do I'll look you up.
Something tells me that Scandinavian women are just as "bad" as american womens. Listen to this from a Norwegian newspaper this morning :
"A man could have his coffee in the wrong throat on his way to work today. At the freeway to the city, over the entrance to the Banehei tunnel in the city Kristiansand, Norway, hang the bad news for Kjell.
KRISTIANSAND : It was certainly not just Kjell that barred the eyes moving into the Banehei tunnel in the morning. On a very large banner, strategically placed over the entrance to the tunnel, hang the following message with large black letters:
"Kjell, I want a divorce - Janne "
So time will show whether this was just a joke, or bloody seriously. If this is the case, it may well be one of history's most heartless ways to bring the divorce message."
Have a nice day :-)
CBGBConnisur
09-24-08, 17:34
So what, you still got Eastern Europe, I went to Germany last year and ironically found it to be one of the best places in the world to meet EE women, so many refugees and fine looking ones too :). Well worth spending 28 hours on a plane.
Australia, particularly Sydney, is much better than the UK for a black man, they also speak English too, makes the cultural adjustment easy. Europe is a fun novelty but its so different it feels too far away from America at times. Thanks to George Dumbya Bush, Australia is getting heaps of Eastern Euros who would have otherwise migrated to the US.
DJ FourMoney
09-24-08, 19:45
So what, you still got Eastern Europe, I went to Germany last year and ironically found it to be one of the best places in the world to meet EE women, so many refugees and fine looking ones too :). Well worth spending 28 hours on a plane.
Australia, particularly Sydney, is much better than the UK for a black man, they also speak English too, makes the cultural adjustment easy. Europe is a fun novelty but its so different it feels too far away from America at times. Thanks to George Dumbya Bush, Australia is getting heaps of Eastern Euros who would have otherwise migrated to the US.
Forget race for a second....
As I understand it Australia had somebody just like Dubya in office and it ruined the place, the population rebuffed him finally (I forgot his name, don't feel like Googl'ing it) and things are improving.
I think Aus is just a bit too far from home for things like "fact finding" missions. Who knows, I'll consider almost anything...
Something tells me that Scandinavian women are just as "bad" as american womens. Listen to this from a Norwegian newspaper this morning :
"A man could have his coffee in the wrong throat on his way to work today. At the freeway to the city, over the entrance to the Banehei tunnel in the city Kristiansand, Norway, hang the bad news for Kjell.
KRISTIANSAND : It was certainly not just Kjell that barred the eyes moving into the Banehei tunnel in the morning. On a very large banner, strategically placed over the entrance to the tunnel, hang the following message with large black letters:
"Kjell, I want a divorce - Janne "
So time will show whether this was just a joke, or bloody seriously. If this is the case, it may well be one of history's most heartless ways to bring the divorce message."
No place is paradise....
The Australian you seek was (is) John Howard. BTW FDR did not take office until March of 1933.
Plus you only think you want to own a car. What you really want is to not have to own a car. Check it out. The feeling of freedom is unbelievable. And if you're going to live in another country, bear in mind that any accident you are in will be your fault (except maybe in parts of Europe that are too expensive anyway).
CBGBConnisur
09-25-08, 03:00
Australia is nothing like the US, and Howard was not Dubya. Half the population of Western Sydney probably would be outright denied entrance to the USA. Tony Blair was more a W buttlicker than Howard. Howard was more pro China than anything else and even the new leader is pro China. Over two thirds of Aussies view Bush unfavorably and they did for a long time.
People think Canada is the same country, Canada's leader is a true blue Bush doormat, more conservative than what we had in Australia. Still Canada is nothing like the US either for anyone who has spent time there.
You are right that no place is paradise, not even those Eastern European locales you mentioned. Those places felt far too different for me to live there and make a living. Too many cultural and linguistic barriers in Europe for me. The EU is not very immigration friendly but I keep hearing differing opinions, a German woman told me she had a hard time migrating to Australia, I attempted migrating to Europe and it did not work out well, while Americans and Canadians would have few problems.
I don't know what your circumstances are, but the path to intimacy is always open for guys. If you want to develop a more initmate relationship with a women, that option is not likely to ever be closed to you.
I remember taking a single friend of mine on a cruise while he was in his late 80's - the older AW were all politely hitting on what was one of the few eligible guys on the trip. As you get older, that territory is yours if just hold out a bit longer than the average American male.
Of course, there are tons of great younger AW who would love to find a younger guy who's done with "games" and wants a family and kids. I've seen one over-sexed ex-vet make the transition from 'monger' to, apparently, loyal husband. So it seems like it might work for some guys.
It seems like a hard path to me, but once you've got a AW wife and kids, you probably will not have much time to consider loneliness and other aspects of the human condition. Masks the problem, if nothing else.
What about getting a dog?
The path to initmiacy may always be open but the opportunities to find your 3-5 soulmates are more difficult because of mongering. I find myself meeting less and less quality women as time progresses because I am unable to be a genuine nice guy any longer.
First, *****s, gold diggers, and the type of women that 90% of the men on this board come in contact with are bad people of low morals--they lie, cheat, and decieve on daily basis. Not every lady in EE or LA is hooker--most are not, they go to work every day and live on 100-900 dollars a month and simply make do. A hooker has taken the easy way out...like an inner city drug dealer/thug...note every minority in the hood lives an illicit life, most don't. So right off the bat, you are dealing with a person of low intenstinal fortitude and of weak character.
For me, my 200k a year salary and 60K sports car have not done what I think that it would do: give me more access to a higher quality of good women.
Instead, it has attracted swaths of gold diggers and other bad woman. The few good women that I meet I fuck it up because I am unable to tolerate any amount of bullshit. If I say come at 0200 am and they dont I will curse them and pick up the phone and will have one or two chicks at my apartment or hotel within 20 minutes.
Most importantly, I have no respect for women any longer because the vast majority of them are all *****s that I can do whatever I choose to do to them because I have money. And for the one that wont put up with my garbage there are 3 more that will eagerly take my place as long as I pay their flat, give some pocket change, and let them be seen in the passenger seat of my ride.
This is bad. Very bad. I am presently in a downward spiral in my life and may not be able to reverse it because of my behaivor and the women I now surround myself with. I saw a shrink a few times about how fucked up I am and she told me to stop seeing protitutes and exploiting women. I stopped going after four sessions because my articluation of my problems were better than her's were.
If it were not for mongering I would be forced to rely on my looks, wit, and personality for women instead of cheating and just buying them. In America, while I didn't come across as a bum, I never bought women--not that I could.
Now, I am surprised at the shit I do to people and how they keep comming back for more.
One of these days some dude is going to wack me for shitting on his sister. And I will deserve it.
You can't be a true mongerer and have the same level of respect for women that you had before you entered the lifestyle.
I don't engage in p4p too much anymore either, more medium/short term sponsorship.
Just to clarify, I do not physically abuse women;however, I am an asshole, albeit a polite one, to virtually all women now.
Maybe I should get a dog, but if it's a good ***** she will likely leave me too.
Doctor_Skank
09-25-08, 08:23
The path to initmiacy may always be open but the opportunities to find your 3-5 soulmates are more difficult because of mongering. I find myself meeting less and less quality women as time progresses because I am unable to be a genuine nice guy any longer.
First, *****s, gold diggers, and the type of women that 90% of the men on this board come in contact with are bad people of low morals--they lie, cheat, and decieve on daily basis. Not every lady in EE or LA is hooker--most are not, they go to work every day and live on 100-900 dollars a month and simply make do. A hooker has taken the easy way out...like an inner city drug dealer/thug...note every minority in the hood lives an illicit life, most don't. So right off the bat, you are dealing with a person of low intenstinal fortitude and of weak character.
For me, my 200k a year salary and 60K sports car have not done what I think that it would do: give me more access to a higher quality of good women.
Instead, it has attracted swaths of gold diggers and other bad woman. The few good women that I meet I fuck it up because I am unable to tolerate any amount of bullshit. If I say come at 0200 am and they dont I will curse them and pick up the phone and will have one or two chicks at my apartment or hotel within 20 minutes.
Most importantly, I have no respect for women any longer because the vast majority of them are all *****s that I can do whatever I choose to do to them because I have money. And for the one that wont put up with my garbage there are 3 more that will eagerly take my place as long as I pay their flat, give some pocket change, and let them be seen in the passenger seat of my ride.
This is bad. Very bad. I am presently in a downward spiral in my life and may not be able to reverse it because of my behaivor and the women I now surround myself with. I saw a shrink a few times about how fucked up I am and she told me to stop seeing protitutes and exploiting women. I stopped going after four sessions because my articluation of my problems were better than her's were.
If it were not for mongering I would be forced to rely on my looks, wit, and personality for women instead of cheating and just buying them. In America, while I didn't come across as a bum, I never bought women--not that I could.
Now, I am surprised at the shit I do to people and how they keep comming back for more.
One of these days some dude is going to wack me for shitting on his sister. And I will deserve it.
You can't be a true mongerer and have the same level of respect for women that you had before you entered the lifestyle.
I don't engage in p4p too much anymore either, more medium/short term sponsorship.
Just to clarify, I do not physically abuse women;however, I am an asshole, albeit a polite one, to virtually all women now.
Maybe I should get a dog, but if it's a good ***** she will likely leave me too.I hear you and can somewhat relate to your problem, although my mongering style is a bit different than yours. Nonetheless, simply meeting (and fucking) too many women whether "free", "paid for" or merely "enticed" through flash cash WILL change your approach to, opinion of and relationships with women.
I am not sure whether or not this must be an inherently negative change, however there is a real danger of becoming callous, lazy, bitter or emotionally cold, not to mention the danger of travelling in circles where virtually all the women you meet are going to be somehow in the game as well.
Solution? Maybe you really DO need to get out of the game, stop playing games with women and stop being played. IMO "playing" and "being played" are cousins and go hand in hand to one degree or another.
Recently I did an analysis for myself noting how much time and money is spent of girls, whether normal freebie type gfs or pros. The results probably only put me in the medium range in terms of expenditure, but the time involved is alarming.
Still, personally I don't see a reason for me to stop playing, I enjoy it too much. I am however certain that all the positive aspects of getting lots of puss are accompanied many negative aspects as well, I just see the positive outweighing the negative by a margin significant enough to warrant continuing. Am not sure if it will always be this way and am equally unsure if I will retrospectively look back and see it as positive, but feel little inclination to change.
In that sense, I am sceptical if any medium to hard-core monger/player could ever really change his ways.
Kjell and Janne are mens names so in this case it's a divorce between 2 men.
Something tells me that Scandinavian women are just as "bad" as american womens. Listen to this from a Norwegian newspaper this morning :
"A man could have his coffee in the wrong throat on his way to work today. At the freeway to the city, over the entrance to the Banehei tunnel in the city Kristiansand, Norway, hang the bad news for Kjell.
KRISTIANSAND : It was certainly not just Kjell that barred the eyes moving into the Banehei tunnel in the morning. On a very large banner, strategically placed over the entrance to the tunnel, hang the following message with large black letters:
"Kjell, I want a divorce - Janne "
So time will show whether this was just a joke, or bloody seriously. If this is the case, it may well be one of history's most heartless ways to bring the divorce message."
Have a nice day :-)
CBGBConnisur
09-25-08, 14:04
The path to initmiacy may always be open but the opportunities to find your 3-5 soulmates are more difficult because of mongering. I find myself meeting less and less quality women as time progresses because I am unable to be a genuine nice guy any longer.
First, *****s, gold diggers, and the type of women that 90% of the men on this board come in contact with are bad people of low morals--they lie, cheat, and decieve on daily basis. Not every lady in EE or LA is hooker--most are not, they go to work every day and live on 100-900 dollars a month and simply make do. A hooker has taken the easy way out...like an inner city drug dealer/thug...note every minority in the hood lives an illicit life, most don't. So right off the bat, you are dealing with a person of low intenstinal fortitude and of weak character.
For me, my 200k a year salary and 60K sports car have not done what I think that it would do: give me more access to a higher quality of good women.
Instead, it has attracted swaths of gold diggers and other bad woman. The few good women that I meet I fuck it up because I am unable to tolerate any amount of bullshit. If I say come at 0200 am and they dont I will curse them and pick up the phone and will have one or two chicks at my apartment or hotel within 20 minutes.
Most importantly, I have no respect for women any longer because the vast majority of them are all *****s that I can do whatever I choose to do to them because I have money. And for the one that wont put up with my garbage there are 3 more that will eagerly take my place as long as I pay their flat, give some pocket change, and let them be seen in the passenger seat of my ride.
This is bad. Very bad. I am presently in a downward spiral in my life and may not be able to reverse it because of my behaivor and the women I now surround myself with. I saw a shrink a few times about how fucked up I am and she told me to stop seeing protitutes and exploiting women. I stopped going after four sessions because my articluation of my problems were better than her's were.
If it were not for mongering I would be forced to rely on my looks, wit, and personality for women instead of cheating and just buying them. In America, while I didn't come across as a bum, I never bought women--not that I could.
Now, I am surprised at the shit I do to people and how they keep comming back for more.
One of these days some dude is going to wack me for shitting on his sister. And I will deserve it.
You can't be a true mongerer and have the same level of respect for women that you had before you entered the lifestyle.
I don't engage in p4p too much anymore either, more medium/short term sponsorship.
Just to clarify, I do not physically abuse women;however, I am an asshole, albeit a polite one, to virtually all women now.
Maybe I should get a dog, but if it's a good ***** she will likely leave me too.
200k in what currency and in what country?? 200k in London, NYC, Paris, or some other major Western city is pocket change.
Besides the point, women do not fixate solely on money, although it is a factor, no respectable woman is going to date a bum for obvious reasons, a lot of women even those from the third world do not like being "bought". There are a lot of ways trying to buy someone will backfire, especially when a time comes that you don't have the money anymore or someone else tries to buy her affection.
I have an extremely high batting average with dumb ditzy blondes but more with more intelligent and intellectual women, I fall flat, even though I hold a postgraduate level education. There is just a certain kind of person I seem to attract without really doing anything.
Not all Eastern European and Latin American women are gold diggers but they are indeed present.
This would be funny if it did not have some truth in it.
Tarius Shinobi
09-25-08, 20:52
Check out the British DVD series "The Vice".
It's pretty kool!
I hear you and can somewhat relate to your problem, although my mongering style is a bit different than yours. Nonetheless, simply meeting (and fucking) too many women whether "free", "paid for" or merely "enticed" through flash cash WILL change your approach to, opinion of and relationships with women.
I am not sure whether or not this must be an inherently negative change, however there is a real danger of becoming callous, lazy, bitter or emotionally cold, not to mention the danger of travelling in circles where virtually all the women you meet are going to be somehow in the game as well.
Solution? Maybe you really DO need to get out of the game, stop playing games with women and stop being played. IMO "playing" and "being played" are cousins and go hand in hand to one degree or another.
Recently I did an analysis for myself noting how much time and money is spent of girls, whether normal freebie type gfs or pros. The results probably only put me in the medium range in terms of expenditure, but the time involved is alarming.
Still, personally I don't see a reason for me to stop playing, I enjoy it too much. I am however certain that all the positive aspects of getting lots of puss are accompanied many negative aspects as well, I just see the positive outweighing the negative by a margin significant enough to warrant continuing. Am not sure if it will always be this way and am equally unsure if I will retrospectively look back and see it as positive, but feel little inclination to change.
In that sense, I am sceptical if any medium to hard-core monger/player could ever really change his ways.
Look, I see no problem or longstanding detrimental impacts for the casual sex tourist: the lad who puts in his 45 weeks a year and splits to Bangkok or Panama City for his annual 10-14 day vacation or the man under arms pent up on base heading out for some R&R. Most people on this board—although not on this thread—fall into the category. When this lifestyle starts to corrode you is when you begin to live for the obtaining pussy as cheaply and as effortlessly as possible. Guys who I see at Scott’s Bar on Soi 3 virtually every night whose life revolves around Nana and Soi Cowqboy;or the fellow moving deeper into provincial Moldova who threw a hissy fit because the girl that he was tying to exploit had the nerve to order a fresh juice for $2.50…the sad fact is, I perfectly understand his frustrations and have had many fresh juice moments myself.
***If the reader doesn’t understand the ol’ fresh juice trick then they will be unlikely to get the gist of this post***
Doctor Skank, I tip my hat to you for being able to maintain a healthy mix of regular GFs and WGs.I lost this ability about a year ago. It is important to note that you deal primarily with Russian chicks in Moscow and I deal primarily with Russian chicks in CIS states. Moscow is not Bishkek, and while you may do very well for yourself, it is very difficult to impress Moscow chicks with amount of cash available to us. I believe you speak Russian as well, thus, you attract women as a result of who you are and just the size of your wallet.
What started me down my path to mild misogyny is the flakiness of these women: the not answering the phone, the not showing up as agreed to, the habitual bs stories, and the overall general dishonesty of these women. An AW, as bitchy as she may be, is generally reliable. I have dated tens of AW and have never been stood up by any of them. With 2nd and 3rd world babes I am no longer surprised if they don’t show up and turn their phone off when I call them to inquire about their presence.
This am, I had just finished fucking some Russian chick who was using this very same computer to write to her American fiancé and German boyfriends. Dudes who are trying to be good men to a woman who is playing them like a fiddle; these poor assholes have no clue.
Yea, I’m bitter and jaded…all the “I kiss you hot” sms are a fucking lie; every time I get one my stomach turns. These women take take take from you and lie lie lie to you without any computation or empathy for you.
I had proposed to a Moldovan, she agreed, I spent thousands of bucks on a ring, rearranged my employment situation, put her on all my bank accounts, and you know what happened? When I went to the airport to start our life together she didn’t get on the plane. Didn’t hear shit from her for a month until I get an SMS that said she didn’t love me anymore. Ok, cool, but is that the way to handle the situation?
And this shit just doesn’t happen to me, an Irish lad that I worked with had virtually the same thing happen to him from a Moldovan broad three years ago. He was not a dumb ass sex tourists either, he spoke the language, worked in the FSU for years, and was rather intelligent.
The flakiness of these women is off the charts and I’m sick of it.
I can’t envision an AW doing the shit mentioned above.
So knowing what we know—and being thinking men—how can one not be jaded, cold hearted, and untrusting?
This lifestyle has certainly changed me for the worse and it has changed you too...you may just not know it.
I am disgusted by these women and even more disgusted at myself.
The problem is I just can’t stop…the sitting in the cafes, showing off my $1200 mobile phone and expensive watch, watching the erection in the dveys eyes as she sees my car, the sitting in the night clubs with a bottle of Chivas, a plate of fruit, and being a human sandwich between 2-4 chicks.
DJ FourMoney
09-26-08, 09:28
The Australian you seek was (is) John Howard. BTW FDR did not take office until March of 1933.
Plus you only think you want to own a car. What you really want is to not have to own a car. Check it out. The feeling of freedom is unbelievable. And if you're going to live in another country, bear in mind that any accident you are in will be your fault (except maybe in parts of Europe that are too expensive anyway).
Nope I wanna car, I love cars, I love racing....
I didn't have a car for awhile and yes while not paying for gas made life easier, but I like driving, did I mention I drove trucks before?
Denmark is massively expensive to own a car. I believe I can run down all the taxes and fees you have to pay but maybe I'll look at that when the time comes.
I'm not accident prone... Thank You for thinking about my safety though :) I love you too DH....
200k in what currency and in what country?? 200k in London, NYC, Paris, or some other major Western city is pocket change.
Besides the point, women do not fixate solely on money, although it is a factor, no respectable woman is going to date a bum for obvious reasons, a lot of women even those from the third world do not like being "bought". There are a lot of ways trying to buy someone will backfire, especially when a time comes that you don't have the money anymore or someone else tries to buy her affection.
I have an extremely high batting average with dumb ditzy blondes but more with more intelligent and intellectual women, I fall flat, even though I hold a postgraduate level education. There is just a certain kind of person I seem to attract without really doing anything.
Not all Eastern European and Latin American women are gold diggers but they are indeed present.
what's your point? to say that I am broke? silly, but....194k a year puts one in the tope 7% of all US incomes. you are correct, 200k a year ain't shit for Ibanker in Manhattan, but I don't live in Manhattan...I split my time between an EE EU country and Bangkok.
Also, as a single dude under 30 I have little responsibilities and receive a per diem and living allowance when on the job, thus I have no living expenses.
I have the resources to do whatever I want to do. I would guess that my income, location, and employment perks, allow me to live the life of a man that makes 3-5 times my salary.
So fuckin' what though? I am still a fuckin wreck.
You are spot on about buying women. It is not a good way to live; however, if one looks for women in the places that I do cash is dominant currency of companionship.
Would you agree?
I agree with you that not all EE and LA women are gold diggers. The vast majority of them are not and these countries are not as poor as they seem.
But, unless you study (the best) or work in these countries you will have a difficult time meeting decent girls.
I just want to go on the record and say all you guys have some valid points. As for thinking about quitting this mongering shit…getting out the game are you kidding me? I can’t stop and I don’t want to. I am having the time of my life would you want the same sandwich every night or the same car for the rest of your life so why the same pussy?
As humans we take the least path of resistance for obtaining our goal which for getting pussy is P4P. I dress nice and wear nice clothes but not to impress some lady I do it for me. I rather pay for it and be on my way. Yes I found it difficult to get square women to remove their underwear back in the States that’s life people can’t do what others can do it’s that simple.
I have one regret.... that I didn't discover international mongering sooner :D
DJ FourMoney
09-26-08, 10:03
Look, I see no problem or longstanding detrimental impacts for the casual sex tourist: the lad who puts in his 45 weeks a year and splits to Bangkok or Panama City for his annual 10-14 day vacation or the man under arms pent up on base heading out for some R&R. Most people on this board—although not on this thread—fall into the category. When this lifestyle starts to corrode you is when you begin to live for the obtaining pussy as cheaply and as effortlessly as possible. Guys who I see at Scott’s Bar on Soi 3 virtually every night whose life revolves around Nana and Soi Cowqboy;or the fellow moving deeper into provincial Moldova who threw a hissy fit because the girl that he was tying to exploit had the nerve to order a fresh juice for $2.50…the sad fact is, I perfectly understand his frustrations and have had many fresh juice moments myself.
***If the reader doesn’t understand the ol’ fresh juice trick then they will be unlikely to get the gist of this post***
Doctor Skank, I tip my hat to you for being able to maintain a healthy mix of regular GFs and WGs.I lost this ability about a year ago. It is important to note that you deal primarily with Russian chicks in Moscow and I deal primarily with Russian chicks in CIS states. Moscow is not Bishkek, and while you may do very well for yourself, it is very difficult to impress Moscow chicks with amount of cash available to us. I believe you speak Russian as well, thus, you attract women as a result of who you are and just the size of your wallet.
What started me down my path to mild misogyny is the flakiness of these women: the not answering the phone, the not showing up as agreed to, the habitual bs stories, and the overall general dishonesty of these women. An AW, as bitchy as she may be, is generally reliable. I have dated tens of AW and have never been stood up by any of them. With 2nd and 3rd world babes I am no longer surprised if they don’t show up and turn their phone off when I call them to inquire about their presence.
This am, I had just finished fucking some Russian chick who was using this very same computer to write to her American fiancé and German boyfriends. Dudes who are trying to be good men to a woman who is playing them like a fiddle; these poor assholes have no clue.
Yea, I’m bitter and jaded…all the “I kiss you hot” sms are a fucking lie; every time I get one my stomach turns. These women take take take from you and lie lie lie to you without any computation or empathy for you.
I had proposed to a Moldovan, she agreed, I spent thousands of bucks on a ring, rearranged my employment situation, put her on all my bank accounts, and you know what happened? When I went to the airport to start our life together she didn’t get on the plane. Didn’t hear shit from her for a month until I get an SMS that said she didn’t love me anymore. Ok, cool, but is that the way to handle the situation?
And this shit just doesn’t happen to me, an Irish lad that I worked with had virtually the same thing happen to him from a Moldovan broad three years ago. He was not a dumb ass sex tourists either, he spoke the language, worked in the FSU for years, and was rather intelligent.
The flakiness of these women is off the charts and I’m sick of it.
I can’t envision an AW doing shit mentioned above.
So knowing what we know—and being thinking men—how can one not be jaded, cold hearted, and untrusting?
This lifestyle has certainly changed me for the worse and it has changed you too...you may just not know it.
I am disgusted by these women and even more disgusted at myself.
The problem is I just can’t stop…the sitting in the cafes, showing off my $1200 mobile phone and expensive watch, watching the erection in the dveys eyes as she sees my car, the sitting in the night clubs with a bottle of Chivas, a plate of fruit, and being a human sandwich between 2-4 chicks.
Wow, that is mighty interesting bra
I believe a few forum members are totally legit. I have spoken with mainly Ukrainian girls for some reason. Some forum members have expressed interest in pointing me in the right direction, I will take them up on those offers fairly soon.
Are you meeting these women mainly on the "party circuit"? If so, these women are the same the world over, location doesn't change a thing. Having flash and money is not always the savior, look how many women love poor artist and musicians. Or men that do dangerous work like Police or Firemen.
As I have said many times on this forum, money solves very little. I might allow you to have access to women you might normally wouldn't be able to date or fuck, but it causes far more problems than it solves and I feel its always best to find a woman that's sincere from day one and build your wealth together, if that's your goal.
Shared goals often times makes relationships incredible strong. The fundamentals of relationships are the same anywhere you are. Maybe your just not sending the right signal to the right woman?
I think I have kinda the same problem. If I consider myself a 6-7 on a scale of 1-10 looks-wise, then I should be able to land at least a 7, but too often the women interested in me are more often around 6-5 range, occasionally in the 7, even 8 on those rare blue moons seldom seen.
Eastern Europe poses a far amount of problems, Western Europe less so. I agree that migrating to Europe is more challenging to many save for Americans and Canadians.
Actually CBGB we let in quite a few EE's. I'm having internet problems so finding the numbers on the State Dept web site is an issue. But we let in more than a few people from CIS actually on Free Green Cards.
I just find the number of single women in Russia and CIS countries just too many attractive to ignore. Adding to my positive feeling is one friend being married to a Russian women and another friend visiting his Russian GF (she's been to America on a Student Visa) in Nov/Dec for a few weeks, already has his Visa and speak daily via MSN.
I just feel my choices are bit limited in the US and Western Europe, that however doesn't mean I can't do my mining there and strike GOLD, maybe not 25, but somebody 30-32 that passes for 25 and no baggage....
US is just not interesting to me anymore on the dating front and I feel I'm either spinning my wheels or wasting my time.
I just want to go on the record and say all you guys have some valid points. As for thinking about quitting this mongering shit…getting out the game are you kidding me? I can’t stop and I don’t want to. I am having the time of my life would you want the same sandwich every night or the same car for the rest of your life so why the same pussy?
I have one regret that I didn't discover international mongering sooner :D
It's cool now but it will eventually errode your deceny and malign your perpective re women.
When you find your potential partner your behaivor as a mongerer WILL come out. If she is decent, she will leave you. Then what? another hooker, no family, and no one to take care of you when some jihadist lights your ass up when transiting to some FOB...I assume you are a DOD contractor.
Dirk,
I follow your reports quite for a long time and it seems to me, that you absolutely don't know what you want in life.
You say, that you are sitting in cafes, showing your expensive mobile, your expensive watch, order expensive drinks, show your fancy car. Do you really believe that you will attract ANY serous and honest girl? Never!
You produce to be attacked from golddiggers. The only thing they take serious is your money, but not you. Don't blame them. Blame yourself.
If you want a serious relationship then behave like a serious man. But first you should know what you want.
You are one of the very few guys on whole ISG-forum who mention very very often how much money you make per year. Dirk, have you ever thought about the fact, that here on ISG are men who make much more money than you, but act in a modest way and don't talk about money? They don't mention any expensive mobiles, watches and cars? Sometimes I think you must be a very lonely man.
Don't feel offended by my words, please. Just my humble opinion.
Larsca04
DJ FourMoney
09-26-08, 10:20
I just want to go on the record and say all you guys have some valid points. As for thinking about quitting this mongering shit…getting out the game are you kidding me? I can’t stop and I don’t want to. I am having the time of my life would you want the same sandwich every night or the same car for the rest of your life so why the same pussy?
As humans we take the least path of resistance for obtaining our goal which for getting pussy is P4P. I dress nice and wear nice clothes but not to impress some lady I do it for me. I rather pay for it and be on my way. Yes I found it difficult to get square women to remove their underwear back in the States that’s life people can’t do what others can do it’s that simple.
I have one regret.... that I didn't discover international mongering sooner :D
I find the food analogy troubling though....
I love Pizza and could come close to eating some everyday. If you keep your relationship on boil or simmer at least it won't be the same sex all the time. But that also means she knows what to do get you off and the downside of P4P is finding that comfort zone that turns into GFE, unless your like me and your slugging percentage is 750
Its elusive....
I have limited AB's however and that's somewhat intentional because I rather not waste my money on local talent; P4P or otherwise.
Won't find many $150 GFE non clock watchers for one thing and I'd wish average looking women or worst would leave me alone!
Just to have something to stick it in, has me looking in Mexico but recent financial trouble has delayed the visit for at least another pay period.
Change is coming though.....
Wow, that is mighty interesting bra
I believe a few forum members are totally legit. I have spoken with mainly Ukrainian girls for some reason. Some forum members have expressed interest in pointing me in the right direction, I will take them up on those offers fairly soon.
Are you meeting these women mainly on the "party circuit"? If so, these women are the same the world over, location doesn't change a thing. Having flash and money is not always the savior, look how many women love poor artist and musicians. Or men that do dangerous work like Police or Firemen.
As I have said many times on this forum, money solves very little. I might allow you to have access to women you might normally wouldn't be able to date or fuck, but it causes far more problems than it solves and I feel its always best to find a woman that's sincere from day one and build your wealth together, if that's your goal.
Shared goals often times makes relationships incredible strong. The fundamentals of relationships are the same anywhere you are. Maybe your just not sending the right signal to the right woman?
I think I have kinda the same problem. If I consider myself a 6-7 on a scale of 1-10 looks-wise, then I should be able to land at least a 7, but too often the women interested in me are more often around 6-5 range, occasionally in the 7, even 8 on those rare blue moons seldom seen.
Eastern Europe poses a far amount of problems, Western Europe less so. I agree that migrating to Europe is more challenging to many save for Americans and Canadians.
Actually CBGB we let in quite a few EE's. I'm having internet problems so finding the numbers on the State Dept web site is an issue. But we let in more than a few people from CIS actually on Free Green Cards.
I just find the number of single women in Russia and CIS countries just too many attractive to ignore. Adding to my positive feeling is one friend being married to a Russian women and another friend visiting his Russian GF (she's been to America on a Student Visa) in Nov/Dec for a few weeks, already has his Visa and speak daily via MSN.
I just feel my choices are bit limited in the US and Western Europe, that however doesn't mean I can't do my mining there and strike GOLD, maybe not 25, but somebody 30-32 that passes for 25 and no baggage....
US is just not interesting to me anymore on the dating front and I feel I'm either spinning my wheels or wasting my time.
you won't take my word for it;i know you won't, but cross cultural relationships are much more difficult than intracultural relationships...you will never totally understand them and they will never really understand you. But if the love is powerful enough it will prevail over the cultural and mental rift.
Your problems will not be solved with a hop across the pond.
Also, what many members do not tell you is that in EE and likely LA is that these women will not take you serious unless you are giving them dough or at least spending a decent amount of dough on them. The starving musician thingy is for the luxury of the rich. even though these EE countries are not as poor as you may think, the "man is man and must take care of me" mentality still rules the day.
Taking the AW paradigm, and simply reducing the resources allocated to it, belies a fundamental misunderstanding of the game in poor countries.
For these women, money and love are not inseparable. I recently had a high priced hooker SERIOUSLY agree to marry me in exchange for material goods. No BS.
These women will assess your pockets, status, and niggardliness and ruthlessly toss you aside if you don't meet their criteria. In America, being funny, telling bs stories, and doing magic tricks can land you a gem. In the places you dream of they will get you a puzzled look at best.
If you don't spend money on her she will think that you don't love her. if you don't spend money on her she will not love you.
Running Neil Strauss will not get you a date let alone the panties in the 2nd or 3rd world.
You may be able to get a novelty fuck once or twice if you are young and cut up with student chicks or drunk chicks. If you fuck them really good, you may get a second one, but after that, unless you take care of her (which translates into giving her shit or buying her shit) she will not respect you as a man and will soon be "busy" when you call her.
It is possible for you to meet decent women if you live long term in these countries but it's much more difficult to do so than in our native land.
But get your money right and see for yourself. The experience will be invaluable.
Kjell and Janne are mens names so in this case it's a divorce between 2 men.
Not in Norway. Janne is a (jente) girl name.
http://www.norskenavn.no/navn.php?id=170
Doctor_Skank
09-26-08, 12:56
Your problems will not be solved with a hop across the pond.
But get your money right and see for yourself. The experience will be invaluable.DirkDingy,
Agree with much of what you wrote.
"you won't take my word for it;i know you won't, but cross cultural relationships are much more difficult than intracultural relationships...you will never totally understand them and they will never really understand you. But if the love is powerful enough it will prevail over the cultural and mental rift. "The initial attraction is often fueled by the cultural differences, these same differences can become stumbling blocks later however. Absolutely right. Another aspect is expectations. I have known several guys who sold themselves successfully as "the Man" while overseas (Panama, Bolivia, Peru, Russia, Ukraine) but when they got home, their souvenir bride/girlfriend was shocked to find out that in the US "the Man" turned out to be "average Joe". No matter where she is from, girls used to a poorer standard of living (at least from a Western standpoint) are expecting to move up the social ladder if they marry a foreigner and leave their homeland. Moreover, too many guys view taking her to the US as rescuing her, expecting eternal gratefullness and fail to recognize that for her it is a major step emotionally and culturally.
For black guys it may be even more extreme, as a white (or Latina, Asian etc.) girl who falls in love with the "exotic" American black guy in her country and moves to the US may have an extremely difficult time adjusting to US black culture as a whole. I'm not claiming to be an expert, however from what I have heard one of the major reasons black/foreign girl couples split in the US is not because of the black husband, but rather the culture and lifestyle surrounding him. It's simply too much... not only the culture shock of America, but of an American sub-culture. BTW the same can happen to white guys who are "normal" when overseas, but drag their new bride/gf back to a 2-horse town in Nebraska or the Deep South. Culture shock there as well.
"Also, what many members do not tell you is that in EE and likely LA is that these women will not take you serious unless you are giving them dough or at least spending a decent amount of dough on them. The starving musician thingy is for the luxury of the rich. even though these EE countries are not as poor as you may think, the "man is man and must take care of me" mentality still rules the day. "I wouldn't phrase it like that, but of course a man is expected to be the earner and decision-maker in EE. Still, that doesn't mean that all women there are money-hungry beasts. They are willing to fight with their man for success, motivate and support him. What they absolutely cannot stand however are lazy, unmotivated and unfocused men. They'll accept nearly ever fault in a man as long as he is driving to get ahead in life... a doer. Slacker types such as those that plague young America would have absolutely no chance in an EE environment.
"For these women, money and love are not inseparable.
These women will assess your pockets, status, and niggardliness and ruthlessly toss you aside if you don't meet their criteria. In America, being funny, telling bs stories, and doing magic tricks can land you a gem. In the places you dream of they will get you puzzled look at best.
If you don't spend money on her she will think that you don't love her. if you don't spend money on her she will not love you."This isn't necessarily true across the board, although it does contain fundamental validity in it's central point. I also don't see it as being a question of greed, but rather of expectations. EE girls need to be proud of their man and need to feel that he is successful and ambitious. This not only will come from her but from her family. This success is most easily expressed in financial success and money. Of course girls fall in love with guys that don't shower them with money. I know speaking from personal experience, it happens to me all the time. Nonetheless, when it comes time for her to seek a life partner/husband, the financial aspect is very significant.
I can only say it again:
"Love is more than an emotion". -Dasha's angry mom
"You may be able to get a novelty fuck once or twice if you are young and cut up with student chicks or drunk chicks. If you fuck them really good, you may get a second one, but after that, unless you take care of her (which translates into giving her shit or buying her shit) she will not respect you as a man and will soon be "busy" when you call her. "In my experience this isn't true. If you can reach them on a sexual level, many of them will keep fucking you as long as you wish to keep fucking them, sometimes even after they are married or in serious relationships. You don't have to spend money on them, beyond of course the trappings of normal dating. Dinner, cafes, simple gifts. Actually the boyfriend/married ones are even easier. They neither want gifts nor dates as they want to keep everything secret. Excitement, passion and affection are enough for them. Interestingly enough, the richer the girl the less she expects in form of presents etc., beyond of course all of the things that real men are expected to do and have... i.e. pay for dinners, entertainment etc.
"It is possible for you to meet decent women if you live long term in these countries but it's much more difficult to do so than in our native land."I find it easier to meet decent and more importantly quality women overseas than in the US. May have something to do with my position however, I meet a lot of wonderful women directly and indirectly through my work and friends. I think the key is time in country and social circles. You aren't going to meet your dream girl during a 2 week holiday in Odessa hanging out at Mick O'Briens or whatever that overpriced ho-haven is called.
"But get your money right and see for yourself. The experience will be invaluable."I agree wholeheartedly.
It's cool now but it will eventually errode your deceny and malign your perpective re women.
When you find your potential partner your behaivor as a mongerer WILL come out. If she is decent, she will leave you. Then what? another hooker, no family, and no one to take care of you when some jihadist lights your ass up when transiting to some FOB...I assume you are a DOD contractor.
*****-made cats kill me with this shit. Who is going to take care of you? :D Say bruh I don't need some ***** to wipe my ass and if I ever get "lit up" to the point I can't get by on my own I hope I die. If a lady leaves me so what. Is it the end of the world? Another thing if you depending on a ***** stand by you 100% you must snorting Peruvian coke. :D
I find the food analogy troubling though....
I love Pizza and could come close to eating some everyday. If you keep your relationship on boil or simmer at least it won't be the same sex all the time. But that also means she knows what to do get you off and the downside of P4P is finding that comfort zone that turns into GFE, unless your like me and your slugging percentage is 750
Man I was playing around with the food analogy but you only can change fuck positions so many times and you only can tell so many stories before the shit gets old.
CBGBConnisur
09-26-08, 15:15
Bringing back a woman from overseas is generally ill advised. Once your back in the home environment the culture shock will change her and the circumstances will change. Also her perception of you will definitely change, especially if you met the girl in a poorer country like in Eastern Europe or South America, you were the rich American in her eyes in her country, and now you are an average Joe in the West.
White European women are obviously culturally more compatible with white American women, so if a black male takes a woman from Europe back to the US, the cultural adjustment will be extremely difficult and that is why the woman will split. This will also happen even with white American men who bring home woman from overseas. I knew this one guy who was a university professor, traveled to Brazil, met a nice Portuguese Brazilian woman, brought her back, and she turned into a loudmouth feminist in less than year and then left him.
Trying to impress women by "buying" them will eventually backfire.
"You can't be a true mongerer and have the same level of respect for women that you had before you entered the lifestyle."
I think this belongs in Morality of Prostitution but I disagree completely. I've been mongering longer than you have been alive and I think mongering has increased my respect for women because I am not sexually frustrated. So I am just nicer in general now that I've expatriated. I am no misogynist (I think you might be confusing misogyny with misanthropy!) and I have no problem treating women well. Of course, I wouldn't curse at them for being 20 minutes late either. But then again "20 minutes late" is early in this culture.
DJ I did know you were a trucker but personally, driving for a living would make want to drive less, not more. But then you are from California and that is a car culture. As to non-clock watching GFEs, all of my regulars (I have three now and normally like to have four) are like that; that's how they become regulars. Those are relationships, in that I've known them for years, have visited their homes, met their kids, know and celebrate their birthdays, cook for them and know their food tastes (read: overcooked and salty), blah blah. I give them 150 pesos so that is about $48 US at the current exchange rate.
And then there are the privado gals. Yesterday I went to a privado and for 100 pesos ($31-32 US) I fucked a gorgeous, big titted young woman, with a very pretty face. I've been with her five or six times now and it just keeps getting better and better. CIM, DFK, whatever I want. Such a sweet person. No drugs, doesn't smoke, no tattoos, no piercings, no kids. I was thinking, "This is not a GFE; this is far, far better than a GFE." Suck, fuck, come, chat, fuck, come, say good-bye and leave, thus leaving any of her personal problems to be just that: personal.
There are about five privado gals and two or three boliche gals at any time with whom I have these nice, easy friendships. These aren't relationships and I don't go to their homes or meet their kids. Maybe I know their birthdates and how many brothers and sisters they have or something. I make notes of this stuff so I can remember the next time I see them and I find it helps a lot.
"You can't be a true mongerer and have the same level of respect for women that you had before you entered the lifestyle."
I think this belongs in Morality of Prostitution but I disagree completely. I've been mongering longer than you have been alive and I think mongering has increased my respect for women because I am not sexually frustrated. So I am just nicer in general now that I've expatriated. I am no misogynist (I think you might be confusing misogyny with misanthropy!) and I have no problem treating women well. Of course, I wouldn't curse at them for being 20 minutes late either. But then again "20 minutes late" is early in this culture.
DH I agree with you 100. I don’t mistreat women at all but I am like an official in a sports game I call foul when I see it. Second thing is why are so many men afraid to live life on their own? Why do they feel they need some women hanging around? Is it cowardliness or is the media telling people they are not complete if they don’t have the opposite sex in their lives? Over the years I have found women to be detrimental to a man’s well being in one form or another whether it be financially, mentally, emotionally and in extreme cases physically.
DJ FourMoney
09-27-08, 05:16
DH I agree with you 100. I don’t mistreat women at all but I am like an official in a sports game I call foul when I see it. Second thing is why are so many men afraid to live life on their own? Why do they feel they need some women hanging around? Is it cowardliness or is the media telling people they are not complete if they don’t have the opposite sex in their lives? Over the years I have found women to be detrimental to a man’s well being in one form or another whether it be financially, mentally, emotionally and in extreme cases physically.
I have no fear of living alone, in fact if I did live alone, do I really need women?
I'm only reminded a handful of times when I see a good-looking woman in my store that I haven't had sex since last summer. I just equate LTR with not constantly looking for sex or companionship. I'm comfortable with ONE woman, really. I don't need to be greedy just take my slice of pie and I'll head off into my little corner of the world.
I can't keep saying it, I only dropped my ex because I felt I could do better and when I say better I mean LOOKS. Yeah they go away after 30-35; Susan Luci looked pretty good to be 61 on DWS (I wasn't watching, I just noticed).
DH -
If I could figure out how to be a ex-pat I would. All the things you're able to do from your desktop or laptop, I can't say I'm comfortable with doing. As much time as I spend online I think I can find something, so its a work in progress. But in the meantime if I'm going to do it, I need a source of income and not my "play money" that's hidden in long term investments so I'm not some poor joker in my 70's...
DD -
The whole idea of locking in a woman from Europe is behind my desire to live in Europe for at least a year if not longer. Once there I would use an agency or two in EE, along with visiting FKK's in Germany and screwing local freebies when I could (UK likely).
I think your meeting the kind of women that wouldn't accept a typical middle-class lifestyle in America, which should I mention is quite a bit of a step up from most people'e lifestyles around the world and it doesn't have to wallow in debt to get there either.
Of course the lady you mentioned in your post located elsewhere on this forum wouldn't accept middle class when she's used to making 10K per trip to Dubai and told you straight up that she would go home with you if you would hire a maid and bought her an X5. At least she was HONEST and upfront about it, but that's hardly most of the women in EE that would be just happy with a nice guy that was a LEADER in his home and was able to have her own car (Not a Daewoo..lol) and nice place to live.
I agree when you say your from America and you drag your lady back to BFE Kansas or Iowa, that would be culture shock and disappointment. That's why I say your confusing model talent with ideal long term relationship. Not mutually exclusive, but hard to mesh together. I tend to think high class hookers and runway models are DIVAS and if you can deal with that long term, more power to ya bra.
Doc -
Adjustment to "Black Culture"? Hmm, what adjustment is that, the fact when you show up for a family gathering you might be the only white person there? Okay maybe my extended family is unique but the chances of my wife being the only white woman at a family reunion is slim and none....
Dirk,
I follow your reports quite for a long time and it seems to me, that you absolutely don't know what you want in life.
You say, that you are sitting in cafes, showing your expensive mobile, your expensive watch, order expensive drinks, show your fancy car. Do you really believe that you will attract ANY serous and honest girl? Never!
You produce to be attacked from golddiggers. The only thing they take serious is your money, but not you. Don't blame them. Blame yourself.
If you want a serious relationship then behave like a serious man. But first you should know what you want.
You are one of the very few guys on whole ISG-forum who mention very very often how much money you make per year. Dirk, have you ever thought about the fact, that here on ISG are men who make much more money than you, but act in a modest way and don't talk about money? They don't mention any expensive mobiles, watches and cars? Sometimes I think you must be a very lonely man.
Don't feel offended by my words, please. Just my humble opinion.
Larsca04
Thanks Larsca04.
I am very lonely and am somewhat adrfit in my personal life. I want to settle down with a lady that has the looks of the model, the mind of a scholar, and the fortitude of a serious athlete. I am having trouble finding this and am getting pissed because of it.
I am truly not a bragagrd re money. I am well aware and have many classmates have quarterly--well had:(--bonuses that equal my yearly salary. My posts in the other forums are devoid of such speak;however, each man's experience with the ladys will differ and it's important to provide context and perspective to comprehend this.
The car, threads, trappings, and apartment all factor into one's mongering experience in the places we play in.
I am currently in an FSU country and since I rented a deluxe car the amount of numbers and and free pussy I am getting has increaded five fold; almost the same when I bought my new ride in my home base of an EE EU country. ..Soley on the basis of a car. Is this not an important variable to mention?
And come on, you know what a nice ride will do for you in Chisinau. It changes the dynamic of the game dramticaly in your favor...you can roll up to that Arab restaraunt around the corner from the theatre and they will hop right in and you can screw them within 30 minutes.
I completely agree with you that attracting women by being a show off in fancy places in poor countries attracts a certain kind of woman that we on one hand envy and on the other hand hate. When one uses gold to attact gold diggers he must accept the concequences of this.
However, the latent undercurrent of my posts on this thread is that: It's much harder to attract people from other culture's using things like intellect, wit, and charm. And that money plays a more important part in dating in the 2nd and 3rd world than it does in America.
That's it.
I was recently at my 5 year uni reunion it was such a pleasure to be able to have serious inteligent coversations with attractive women. that's what I miss about home. no mention of money and cars or other meaningless shit.
In my opinion what matters is not the quality of women you get but the amount of (moneyXtime)/(quantityXquality). So for example if you pay 2000$ on tickets, apartment, restaurants and 7 days to bed a 6 chick, then you overpay. It is not subjective, it is objective. From my point of view no girl is worth more than 1000 euro for a fuck. The success is measured not by the absolute number of the fucked girls but by the proportion (quantityXquality)/(moneyXtime).
So if for example one stays 6 months in an FSU country and pays 50000$ for that and lays 10 freebies, he is not successfull because he has paid 5000$ for each freebie and has spent 16 days on each freebie.
In reality to be regarded successful in EE, you have to bed 1 freebie every 3 days, that is 60 freebies in 6 months and spend for that only 25000$ maximum.
Spending money on girls and spoiling them is silly if you get above a natural limit. Why spending money when you can get a girl from the street and drive her to your apartment? Cars are good for isolating girls. For example ''do you want to go for a ride? '' and you isolate her. Cars are not good for meeting girls. Buses are much better for meeting girls as it is walking.
Expensive apartment is not needed because every girl who has decided to enter the apartment has decided to get laid.
About the reasons FSU girls hook up with foreigners.
1. They are feed with unrealistic expectations about the West. For example they think that the average salary in Germany is 10000 euro per month.
2. They falsely suppose that the foreigner is touch, sly, smart, aggresive and can manage a lot of things because in these countries the men who have money are the ones who have these characteristics.
3. They want to use foreigner as a pivot in order to find sth better when they get the visa and land in foreign land. They purposely marry men they are not attracted to in order to leave them immediately when they get the visa. In reality they have thought of the divorce before even arranging the marriage and have calculated everything. For example, O. K. I will sacrifice two years with the idiot, I will remain beautiful and find another man in the country I will go. They see the whole case as a bargain.
In every case it is a big mistake to marry such a girl and bring her to your home country unless you marry an ugly one. You can see it in their eyes that they are searching constantly for the opportunity and will move to sb richer given the chance.
I don't want to be tiring. All this is common sense.
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Second thing is why are so many men afraid to live life on their own? Why do they feel they need some women hanging around? Is it cowardliness or is the media telling people they are not complete if they don’t have the opposite sex in their lives?
I think that's just societal training. From day one we're taught and shown that the "ideal situation" is one man with one woman until death do they part. This reminds me of the old Meat Loaf song:
"I swore that I would love you 'til the end of time
Now I'm just waiting for the end of time
To hurry up and arrive
'Cuz if I have to spend another minute with you
I don't that I can really survive."
I don't want to spend every night with my best friends. It's just an outmoded concept, a vestige of a by-gone day when marriage was an economic union to make two families more economically secure, to preserve class lines, and to ensure paternity in an age where many men went off to war or to sail the seas.
That's why I like to spend the night with a woman once or twice a month, and have dinner and spend a few hours with a woman once a week or so, but I like to spread this out among 3 to 5 selected and trusted women. The rest of my sex I like to blow and go.
Oh yeah, and I'm definitely not interested in any woman who cares what kind of car I drive, as long as it's clean and reliable. That works out quite well since I haven't owned one for seven years now.
DJ, ever think about getting certified to teach English? The money's not great but it opens a lot of doors.
Legal Tender
09-27-08, 17:41
Trying to impress women by "buying" them will eventually backfire.What do all women want? They want security. There is no such thing as free sex, as far as a woman is concerned, because their genetic driven role is to find their Alpha Male: In a capitalistic society the golden rule applies. He who has the gold rules. An excellent discussion of how biology drives our loves, passions, and decision making process can be found in "The Moral Animal" by R. Wright.
Now, the issues is not whether they are "bought". They ALL are. Just don't be a dumb ass and treat them like their bought. It's simple as this: people love you until they don't. Sometimes it is for an hours, for a day, a week, for a.
Just get a good prenup, and if she wants a child tell her from the first mention (of what it really means is the beginning of a family) that you want to raise your child. If you don't feel this way, why would you be of value to her and her genetic pool. If she splits, make sure you have a damn good lawyer. I have my money and I have primary custody of the most beautiful and intelligent little girl one could ever imagine. She looks just like her Latvian mother, who is a former model.
Be realistic and understand that anyone’s time is a real gift. There are no guarantees, the future is only hypothetical, so we must make the memories we want today.
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In every case it is a big mistake to marry such a girl and bring her to your home country unless you marry an ugly one.
I would agree that that could be a mistake. But I disagree about "unless you marry an ugly one. "
I have seen some "ugly"(in my opinion) women who also get divorced and/or look for better husbands after they have initially entered the country.
I would rather spend two years with a beautiful girl than with an ugly one with potentially same outcome.
I have also seen a beautiful foreign girl who's been married to an average(or maybe less than average) guy for many years. Although she used to complain that she did not marry a rich guy, after a while she has realized that how this guy treats her is more important than money.
I think if you wanna marry just marry somebody you like. And ugly one will escape as well if she wants to.
DJ FourMoney
09-28-08, 04:47
I would agree that that could be a mistake. But I disagree about "unless you marry an ugly one. "
I have seen some "ugly"(in my opinion) women who also get divorced and/or look for better husbands after they have initially entered the country.
I would rather spend two years with a beautiful girl than with an ugly one with potentially same outcome.
I have also seen a beautiful foreign girl who's been married to an average(or maybe less than average) guy for many years. Although she used to complain that she did not marry a rich guy, after a while she has realized that how this guy treats her is more important than money.
I think if you wanna marry just marry somebody you like. And ugly one will escape as well if she wants to.
I couldn't agree more, the ugly and fat ones are just as much trouble, why sell yourself short???
DH -
Teach English? Not when I barely have command of it myself....
I'll figure something out. If I am serious about this, then it has to be figured out....
Your English is fine. Your/you're spelling is shaky but the approach that is popular now avoids all of that. It's called the "direct method." The idea is you don't need to know the language of the people you are teaching (L1) to teach them English (L2). Or maybe English is L1 and the other is L2. This is utter bullshit, of course, but people fall for it. If you are a "native speaker of English" and have a pulse, and get certified (I did mine totally on-line but it's a recognized certification and it only cost me a couple of hundred bucks), there are jobs, primarily in Asia. Check out "Dave's ESL Cafe":
http://eslcafe.com/
I did my certification through Bridge Linguatec:
http://www.bridgelinguatec.com/
So far I got job offers in Thailand, China, and Mexico. I didn't take any of them since I am okay where I am but at least I have a fall-back position if I lose my current gig. Or if I get greedy and decided to work two jobs. Note that many of the places that are hiring ESL teachers are popular mongering destinations.
I really think going overseas to look for a mate for a “true” black American is not answer. I have seen more blatant racism overseas towards blacks then anywhere in the US. EE forget it. I never been there but I do read and I do hear.
Germany I have heard from many guys that in Europe it’s the black men’s paradise. I saw girls like this in Japan obsessed with blacks and hip hop culture but is this type of women you want to make you mate for life?
Speaking from a sex tourist point of view we simply go to Third world countries to financially exploit the economic situation of the local women. I have found the women in the third world who mess with foreigners either financially dependant or visa seeking. Where is the true love and how would you know if it were if the lady is depending on you? I believe only in your own country can you find women who genially like you for you.
I have given up on the States and women in general. I have no other use for them but sex….
Can you explain to me the difference between a "true" black American and a fake black American? Which part is fake, the black part or the American part? I would think black would be hard to fake but I could be wrong. I bullshit gals here all the time about where I am from but I haven't tried yet to fake being black. It could come in handy some time so please let me know.
DW, DJ is just a bit vulnerable right now. He thinks he wants a mate and he thinks he needs a car but you and I both know what he really needs is to fuck 50-100 good Asian and/or Latin hookers and then he will figure it all out. He's a bright lad; he just needs to find a few more Benjamins to fund his education.
One advantage of where I live is that by and large the women are not seeking to go to the United States; they like this country and want to stay here. Of course, even if they did want to go to the US they would never get visas so it doesn't really matter. And yeah, there's some racism here.
Can you explain to me the difference between a "true" black American and a fake black American? Which part is fake, the black part or the American part? I would think black would be hard to fake but I could be wrong. I bullshit gals here all the time about where I am from but I haven't tried yet to fake being black. It could come in handy some time so please let me know.
Please don’t let me be misunderstood. I don’t cry sellout nor fake when a black person is intelligent, articulate, hard working etc….DH are you being serious or sarcastic? What I mean by true is one that grew up with both parents being black Americans in America.
Like the media keeps portraying Barack as a African American pseudo lumping him in with me and the majority of the people in the US of African descent when he is not……he didn’t come up in the slums. I don’t identify with this guy at all. You got guys on this board who identify themselves as black but they are half and don’t look black. That outward appearance right way acts as a buffer from some discrimination they would face otherwise.
I think more blacks in America can identify with me then with Barack or those so-called in your words “fake” blacks that is what I meant.
DJ FourMoney
09-28-08, 07:00
i really think going overseas to look for a mate for a “true” black american is not answer. i have seen more blatant racism overseas towards blacks then anywhere in the us. ee forget it. i never been there but i do read and i do hear.
germany i have heard from many guys that in europe it’s the black men’s paradise. i saw girls like this in japan obsessed with blacks and hip hop culture but is this type of women you want to make you mate for life?
speaking from a sex tourist point of view we simply go to third world countries to financially exploit the economic situation of the local women. i have found the women in the third world who mess with foreigners either financially dependant or visa seeking. where is the true love and how would you know if it were if the lady is depending on you? i believe only in your own country can you find women who genially like you for you.
i have given up on the states and women in general. i have no other use for them but sex….
okay to clear some things up... i spent about 10k on the car and i'm not talking about the purchase price. i take it to the track at least once a month, i do 90% of my own work on it and enjoy it. i had a subscription with hot rod magazine for 6 years starting at age 10.... i have at least 100 unopened hot wheels, i play race driver: grid, need for speed pro street on the pc and gt4 on my ps2.
i've written for blogs and been a consultant on magazine projects...
i love cars!
can i get along without one? for a short amount of time, yes. i loved the novelty of german public transport because compared to los angeles, its light years ahead.
when i think about living overseas i think about what cars are available to purchase and if i can afford to get a place that has a garage and say for germany just what does dealing with the tuv mean if i want to modify it.
i started dj'ing when i was 16 and my love for automobiles never has taken a backseat to any other interest. pussy, video games, anime, nothing! the main reason i work is so i can buy car(s), not really for any other reason.
teaching english -
the reason i think that might not be a good idea, i spent money to get a girl's email address off elena's and because she doesn't have great command of english among other issues, i stopped calling her, effectively wasting a few dollars that would have been better spent in my gas tank.
i think i rather do something with the internet investigating that, even considering some it courses...
black men vs european vs latina vs aw -
i'm not that fond of asian women, we can scratch them off the list... at any given time i could have dated, banged or whatever fob chinese chicks, chicks from pi or korea, i'm just not that interested. i'm heavily involved in the sport compact culture, its crawling with asian women, no thanks.
as for latinas, i think its best to chase what's already here in that sense. socially southern california latin culture isn't that far removed from black culture which explains some of the 'in-fighting" at local high schools, were too much alike in some cases, scraping for the same "crumbs". there is one spanish lady i would like to contact, but that's for another thread. (not spanish as in how some black men describe latin women, she's actually from spain!)
aw and european women are pretty much the same expect for some very distinct differences.
without getting deeply into detail, i believe my options are just better.
daddy i don't like those "wigger" types for lack of a better "label" either. in my experience they tend to think they are blacker than you (only americans think like this) if you tend to lean towards "assimilation" like i do. because i speak "properly" as you know too well, this is not acceptable for much of the "black community" and for those women that chase around stereotypical "black men" adopt much of this line of thinking as well, only in america.
you do have a bit of this nonsense going on in germany and amsterdam usually mixing images from tv with poorly educated, low information military men freshly shipped to the european command.
in any case, that's why i think and believe its better for me to settle down with a european white women if i'm going down that road. there is a collective of european women that would nod in agreement only to anger american women because i'm not willing to play the game by their rules.
i just don't like the selection available in the 30-40 bracket here. the 30something bracket is much better in even germany than here. i can find a ee chick that would be down for me, just harder than it would be if i was caucasian. plus she would be roughly 8-12 years younger and have no children!
so tell me again why its not a good idea daddy???
I was 97% serious. It was a bit odd, the way it was worded. I agree that mixed race is a different thing. I think I brought that up before when I was questioning why Barak was automatically black when he is equally one and the other (and of course his black father was not American). Somebody got really pissed about that but I forget if it was you or not. I just really didn't know what you meant by "real" black.
Do you think that the majority of US blacks come (came) from the slums, even now? I've been gone a while but it seems like there is a large black/Black middle class. I'm a sociologist so I like to investigate this kind of stuff. I'm curious, but it's impossible for me to be like real, real serious any more. Life's become too much of a joke for that.
Thanks!
DJ FourMoney
09-29-08, 10:20
I was 97% serious. It was a bit odd, the way it was worded. I agree that mixed race is a different thing. I think I brought that up before when I was questioning why Barak was automatically black when he is equally one and the other (and of course his black father was not American). Somebody got really pissed about that but I forget if it was you or not. I just really didn't know what you meant by "real" black.
Do you think that the majority of US blacks come (came) from the slums, even now? I've been gone a while but it seems like there is a large black/Black middle class. I'm a sociologist so I like to investigate this kind of stuff. I'm curious, but it's impossible for me to be like real, real serious any more. Life's become too much of a joke for that.
Thanks!
How about this for insight -
My mother's side of the family is not a product slavery. This is mainly because I'm part Chickasaw Indian and Chinese actually. Once I get all the facts straight if your interested I'd share its only information...
My grandfather laid concrete in Indiana and Illinois. Because of health issues, he was told by his doctor he should move to a warmer climate. So he packed up his family and moved to San Jose, CA. My grandmother was a social worker , working for the county back in Illinois and later for Santa Clara County until she retired.
They had 5 children, whom all the girls went to College and my uncle started interning at IBM and later what became Intel.
Most of my first cousins are college educated as well. Only two (all belonging to one aunt), along with myself haven't attended college.
Of my extended family, none to my knowledge are currently living in slums, the hood, the ghetto. Most of my extended family is in "Rust Belt" and "Bible Belt" but live in mostly Black working class areas. A few live in affluent areas and I know of 3rd and 4th cousins that live in the rural South like Mississppi were we had a reunion a few years ago.
So yes my immediate family is solidly middle class. I think you'll find most of the Black members of this board come from a similar background.
We are still a small number compared to how many families live at or below the "Mendoza" line.
copied from stickmanbangkok.
you're the problem, not the girls
by tdunda
i probably won’t make too many friends with this submission but, telling it the way it is often doesn’t win you friends. it is not a unique thai trait to avoid an issue in order to save face. although the thais may be masters of it, we westerners are not totally inept at it.
there are a significant amount of entries on this site that begin with “i am married with x kids“, or from the first few paragraphs it is obvious that the author is. well, if you are married, what the hell are you doing in the thailand p4p scene to begin with? you have the nerve to ***** and complain about how you have been lied to and deceived by a thai bargirl, when you yourself are or have done the same thing to a significant other back in farangland. oh yes, you all have the same excuse - western women are fat / ugly / domineering / insert your stereotype but, the point is you have made a commitment to a woman that, at some point in your life, you were in love with and promised to remain faithful to. what, somewhere along the line you realised that with commitment and family comes responsibility and you don’t like that? well grow up and face it like a man - have you ever thought that that is why the women you get “stuck” with appear to be the dregs of western society? the women you complain about are women who themselves can’t do any better than land you, an immature, selfish prat?
western women, being far more liberated than their eastern counterparts, are able to be a lot more selective in whom they choose as mates and the fact is, no woman likes an immature, spoilt child - women want a man! whinging and whining and complaining that western women don’t know how to treat a man etc. etc. doesn’t make you more appealing to any woman, eastern or western - the western women simply brush you off (they probably earn more than you and / or can do better on their own or find a real man) and the eastern women take you for all they can get (they don‘t want a little boy anymore than their western counterparts do but they are not stupid either and realise that you have a lot more money than they do, so why not milk you for all you are worth) and then go to their thai real man.
the sad fact of the matter is, you whine and ***** about being manipulated and deceived by a little asian prostitute when you have been doing the exact same thing to a person or people back home who at some point you professed your undying and eternal love and support for. what is even worse, in fact downright despicable, is that while you have the choice to take the risk with contracting a potentially fatal or permanently damaging disease, you then put your partner in the situation where she is at risk as well. i am certain that when you get back to your homeland after your two or three week sojourn through thailand, you do not suddenly become celibate until your next visit - no, indeed you inevitably go home and tell your loving (fat, ugly, domineering ***** of a) wife that you missed her so much and ultimately have (i would presume unprotected) sex with her, with a good chance of passing on anything you may have caught in thailand. you have a choice to take the risk - your trusting wife does not. you truly are a lowlife bastard who doesn’t even deserve the (however emotionally damaged) woman you have at home nor the little tanned minx(s), that only for your good fortune in being born in the first world, you are able to buy.
another significant proportion of the submissions on this site come from another class of person, not far removed from the first subset. i am referring to all those poor, hard-done-by, “i’ve been divorced 20+ times by evil western women” and taken for half of all i had (read ‘we conjointly worked for / created’ but why should i face up to my responsibility and let her keep any marital assets) and now a manipulative little thai ***** has caused my poor heartbroken soul even more suffering by wiping out my retirement savings. well, i’m sorry, but what did you expect? you couldn’t maintain a relationship with a woman with your own background and upbringing so you thought that flying thousands of kilometres and trying your luck with a woman that was from a totally different background, culture, social class, generation and who, under any other circumstances would be out of your league; would result in total and unequivocal bliss for the remainder of your natural life? i’m sorry but what planet are you from?
ultimately there is very little difference between you and those men i mentioned in the first few paragraphs. the only real difference is in years - you are those men in 20+ years time. maybe you didn’t run off to thailand to have sex with prostitutes or otherwise fool around while you were married but ultimately you have the same immature, selfish mindset that other people owe you something and it is never your fault (even marginally). you, like your younger peers, refuse to take responsibility for your actions and decisions and then whinge and complain that it is the women who are heartless, deceitful, venomous creatures. for god’s sake, you are 50, 60 or 70+ years old, it is time to start acting with the maturity of someone who has seen that many sunsets.
have you ever really reflected on why your marriage or marriages failed in the first place? i ask because it is obvious that you did not learn anything from your experiences. regardless of what the ultimate reason for the break-up was, you still share some of the blame - yes that’s right, you were to blame in some part, just as much as your (ugly, fat, *****) wife was. have you heard of the saying “it takes two to tango”? well it takes two people to make a marriage (or any relationship) work. if it broke down, you both played a part, regardless of the specific details. at the end of it though, you refused to act like a man and instead act like a spoilt, selfish little boy and ran off to find affection in the arms of a thai prostitute.
you are no less to blame on the subject of the financial and emotional mess you got you got yourself into with a thai lady either. do you really believe that the girl is manipulative and deceitful and it is her fault you got taken for thousands of dollars? i don’t believe so. ultimately you knew, entering into the relationship that she was a prostitute (i mean come on at 50+ you could not honestly believe that a 20 year old girl found you to be the sexiest man in the world) and there is an implicit (at in the beginning of the relationship, explicit) understanding that it is sex for money. well, she kept her part of the agreement. she stayed with you, was there for you and gave you cuddles and kisses and sex and stroked your ego and told you how you were a handsome man etc. in return you were paying her money. after the initial, explicit part of the relationship (i go with you tonight for 2,000 baht) progressed into a long term affair, the goalposts may have moved but the rules remained the same. it was still sex for money, only now it was not a negotiated amount - you simply took as much sex and affection as you could milk from the relationship and she in return took as much money as she could milk out of it. there was nothing deceitful about it - sure she may have lied about where she was or what she did with the money but you still knew it was sex for money. you complaining that she tricked you into paying for her family's sick buffalo that didn’t exist is as stupid as her complaining that you tricked her in to giving you a blowjob. initially she created the impression that you were the sexiest man on earth, whilst now she creates the impression that she “love only you too much baby”. yes she is fxxxing other men and lying to you, just like she was lying to you with the very first words out of her mouth when you first met “hello sexy man”. you gladly accepted that lie but get upset with her lies later when she attempts to maintain her part of the agreement; that is, retain the illusion of a doting girlfriend.
as far as i’m concerned, she is in the right and doing the honourable thing, upholding her end of the bargain. you are the one who is being manipulative, attempting to force her from a business transaction whereby she provides the “girlfriend” experience for you and you provide the money for a job well done; to a situation whereby she is your young, sexy semen repository, cook and cleaner and in return she receives the fantastic reward of being the semen repository, cook and cleaner for an elderly farang. jesus, how could she even think of passing that up, these thai girls are so strange?
i can already hear the argument “oh but i bring so much more to the table than her, i can give her a good life free of financial worries”. well guess what - that brings us back to the original agreement, sex for money, regardless of the form that the money arrives in.
a little about myself. i am 32 years old, never married (have had a string of girlfriends and a few long term relationships. i just never found a girl i considered would make a good wife) am in no rush to get married but, have always been happy to split everything down the middle when i broke up with a long term girlfriend. i figured she put in as much to the relationship as i so we both get half. fair’s fair. i have two girls in thailand, one of whom i know works as a prostitute and the other who, although she tells me otherwise, i‘m fairly certain goes with guys. i also have a girl in cambodia and a girl here in australia. i have never paid any of them any money (except the bar fine which i accept as fair, someone has got to pay it) and i have told them i never will, yet on my next scheduled visit to thailand, they have both told me they want to spend time with me, despite them getting their salaries cut at their respective bars for not working (so they don’t even expect me to bar-fine them) and knowing i won’t be paying them for their time. my cambodian and australian girls have always insisted on splitting everything down the middle. i buy her a drink, she buys me one, i pay for this round of pool, she pays for the next game and so on. the two thai girls are the same once we are out of their respective bars. when travelling with them, yes i pay for the accommodation and travel tickets, as i am under no illusion that they could not otherwise afford to accompany me but that is it. my aussie girl pays for her own tickets and half the room btw, she can afford it as much as i can.
i have told all of them that what they have with me is a temporary thing which may or may not end up permanent and all have an awareness that there are other girls in my life. the next few years of my life have me travelling to a lot of places in the world and i will not commit to any of them just yet. they know this and i have let them know that they are free to pursue other options just as i will. we cannot be together all the time, so it is not fair for us to make demands of each other as we are all adults in the prime of our sexual lives and i would not consider for a minute expecting them to stay on some godforsaken shit-hole of a rice patty in the back of who knows where, waiting with baited breath for me to arrive. the point is, i have been honest with them all and from the beginning have forged relationships built on mutual trust, respect and sexual compatibility, not money. so much has been written on this site about how different the thai girls are from farang girls and that all they care about is money. well i have to say, that has not been my experience. whilst i do see thai girls (and guys) trying to milk farangs for money, i see aussies milking tourists here in australia in the tourist hotspots and i suspect that the same happens anywhere you get tourists. my experience however, has been that girls are still girls, the world over and while i believe about one poofteenth of what the likes of ‘the blackest bart‘ and ‘aha wendigo‘ tell us about themselves, some of their commentary on dealing with girls does strike a chord. sure, there are cultural differences but if you start a relationship based on money for sex, regardless of the country you are in, this will always underpin the relationship. it is not rocket science to get the type of relationship you want, with the girl that you want, there are really only three points to it:
1. you’ve got to be honest up front.
you have to let her know you won’t pay her for sex, that you want a proper relationship with her. this is not to say that you will never give her money, gifts etc. all girls like to receive gifts as it makes them feel special and loved, but the point is to dissociate the receiving of money for the provision of sex. this may however mean that you have to look outside of nana, cowboy, patpong and pattaya.
2. you‘ve got to lay the ground rules in the beginning.
this means telling her up front what you want from the relationship and telling her quite succinctly that you are not a walking atm. that you won’t be giving her money for a ‘sick buffalo’ or ‘brother’s moto repairs’ etc. that you won’t be taking her shopping for gold and so on. let her know you are not stingy and will treat her well, take her to nice places to eat and on nice holidays but let her know that any gifts or treats will be when you want, because you felt like spoiling her, not because she asked. tell her if she asks, the answer will always be “no.”
non-saleable gifts are best. i had a floral arrangement sent to one girl on her birthday. the result: she walked into the bar to find a large bunch of flowers specially delivered for her, this gives her face and bragging rights to the other girls, there was also a box of chocolates, which she could sit around and share with her friends and there was a teddy bear, which will serve as a permanent reminder each time she looks at it. it is not something she is going to take down to the pawn shop and sell as it isn’t worth anything except as a memory. as soon as she got to work and got the gift, she called me back in australia (yes, she called me, she didn’t text me asking me to call her) to tell me how happy she was that i had remembered her birthday and done something for her.
considering that you have met her in a bar or club, if you want her exclusively and not going with other customers, this is something else you will have to bridge early on as well in terms of what she will do for work. (sitting at home up-country with a monthly donation from you is not an option). you have to accept that if she is to continue working at the bar (regardless of what she tells you) she is more than likely still screwing other guys for money. if you can’t accept this and she is not willing to leave the bar, you have to walk away at that point.
3. you must be willing to enforce the ground rules.
all my girls know that if they start pestering me for money or start playing games, they’re getting the boot quicker than you can say “i love you long time.”
the key point is that she needs to know (if she doesn’t believe you, you can be sure she’ll test you), that you are more than willing to walk away at the first sign of bullshit; she must know that you are the goods and she is just one of many, many girls out there, thousands of whom are just as good or even better than her. she needs to believe that she stands to lose more if the relationship sours and you need to act so as to demonstrate it (not just tell her it is so).
how did i create relationships not based on money? easy, i removed it from the equation from the beginning. i told each of them, “i will not pay you for sex - period”. also, here’s a tip - keep it in your pants. girls are human beings like everyone else, and humans by nature want what they can’t have. as an example, one of the thai girls i have was chatting with me in a bar. i paid her bar fine and 2,000 baht and told her “there, i’ve paid for your evening; you don’t need to go with a customer for money tonight.” of course she then wanted to go back to my hotel or a short time place to do what she assumed i’d paid her for. i refused and said i was happy drinking and chatting. later, we left and went for a walk and got something to eat, before i said goodbye, got in a taxi and went home. the next night i went back to the same bar, paid her bar fine and gave her another 2,000 baht. she took me by the hand to go for a walk. she pretty much marched me straight to the nearest short time hotel and paid the room fee with the 2,000 i had given her before banging the life out of me. that was the last money i ever gave her. i demonstrated to her that i had the money and could pay her for sex but that was never going to happen. she had to demonstrate value to me before i would ‘give it up’ (my dick, not my money). by paying for the room she demonstrated to me that it was not about the money, she wanted me and would pay for the privilege. had she not done this, i would have cut my losses and moved on.
so in a nutshell - if you’re married, get the hell out of the p4p scene you slimy, little worm - either that or grow up, grow a set of balls and break it off with your wife, give her the half of the marital assets she is entitled to and take a bit of responsibility for your past decisions. if you are in thailand looking for a girl to be a girlfriend / wife rather than the illusion of such, then don’t start the relationship based on a sex for money basis, because that is all it will ever be. instead, keep it in your pants for a few days or weeks and spend your time sorting out the wheat from the chaff.
stickman's thoughts:
this is not an easy submission to comment on as there are a number of different points, some of which i strongly agree with and some of which i do not.
when you talk about guys cheating on their wife and then getting upset at prostitutes, i am in agreement 100%. and guys who risk their partner's health by having unprotected sex with hookers and returning to the marital bed are total scumbags. this is a huge problem in thailand - and is widely prevalent amongst westerners with a real correlation between one's income and its prevalence i.e. the more they earn, the riskier the behaviour it seems.
when you talk about people getting upset about a 50 / 50 division of assets, i am in total disagreement with you. every set of circumstances is different and frankly, from what i have seen, men tend to get raped in divorce settlements in the west. suggesting people accept it like a man is just daft.
finally, i think your perspective of relationships in south-east asia is a little warped. while you have some good ideas, your experiences seem to be entirely with hookers who you want to forge a relationship with. you're 32 for goodness sake - you do not need to be involved with hookers at that age! decent thai women would love to meet a bloke your age - and many for no strings attached fun. i'm sure you know that there are hundreds of submissions on this site from guys whose attempts at creating a relationship with a hooker crashed badly.
http://www.ainamontero.com/about/
This stuck up American kunt thinks she can sell herself for $1200 US for a 3 hour lunch date. The punch line? She thinks she can do this in fucking Ecuador! She's over 30 and says she has "natural 42DDs" which is virtually physically impossible.
Oh yeah, and some ass hole will pay that price. Joke 'em if they can't take a fuck, or something like that.
Looking For Eden
10-01-08, 07:53
http://www.ainamontero.com/about/
This stuck up American kunt thinks she can sell herself for $1200 US for a 3 hour lunch date. The punch line? She thinks she can do this in fucking Ecuador! She's over 30 and says she has "natural 42DDs" which is virtually physically impossible.
Oh yeah, and some ass hole will pay that price. Joke 'em if they can't take a fuck, or something like that.
The sad part is there are plenty of idiots who will actually pay that price obviously.
Hi DH,
I almost died laughing when I read her rates.
Check this. She charges $6,500 per day but then DROPS down to $5,000 for each additional day. Hey, a guy can save $1,500 if you book her for a second day. What a deal!!!
After checking out her pictures she should be paying guys to have sex with her. Amazing.
Paddy
Hi DH,
I almost died laughing when I read her rates.
Check this. She charges $6,500 per day but then DROPS down to $5,000 for each additional day. Hey, a guy can save $1,500 if you book her for a second day. What a deal!!!
After checking out her pictures she should be paying guys to have sex with her. Amazing.
PaddyShe also wants you to pay her airfare. Who in this world would pay her rate plus airfare. Of all the women in this world, she would not make the top million if I was willing and able to pay those rates. A man with that type of money could easily do a lot better.
We did have a US senator who was paying $5000 an hour for an escort. So I guess she is a bargain?
DJ FourMoney
10-02-08, 08:12
Some men will play that much for a porn star, so why on EARTH would you pay that much money for THAT tramp????
In fact, your a dunce for paying THAT much for ANY pussy, what are you nuts? Okay if you have bags full of 100's I guess it doesn't matter how much you burn up on services....
Still...
I did not know about these offers from before. I followed some other links and found one Lauren Summerhill. She demands 5,700 canadian dollars for 24 hours ! Hahaha. Not only this, she asks for you to show some etiquette :
Etiquette:
" Please be considerate, and honest. I ask that at the beginning of our date, you present the donation to me in a greeting card, gift bag or envelope. Please do not put me in a situation where I feel I must ask for the donation.
Do not discuss any "services" in person, on the phone, or via email.
If you are unable to follow these requirements, I will be forced to leave with no refund given." ...
.....
This is all crazy and makes me laugh. It is like the girl, as is a prostitute, does not admit this themselves. Makes me compare this spinner one can have in Brazil for 24 hours; Br$ 200 ~ US$ 100.
CBGBConnisur
10-03-08, 04:02
Montreal a few years back had a lot of excellent pay for sex action and at what was then reasonable prices. Then again I am talking about French Canadians not Anglos.
For about 6k I could just go on a trip to Germany and visit their FKKs, it was hilarious to hear some Asian guy I met absolutely rave about them, he could not believe how cheap they were and how much sex he got for about 50 Euros. I was also amazed how easy it was to meet women at the Altstadt in Dusseldorf known as the world's longest bar.
Some interesting information about where, possibly, opportunities for hooking-up with single women in Sex Prison may exist (if only remotely). Although, I don't think that being single necessarily translates into an opportunity for hooking-up, if you asked me. I live in Los Angeles, which is ranked #6 in this study, and like NYC you would think that this would be a great place to hook-up - but nothing could be further away from the truth. I think that these scales can also be used to measure not only the cities with the most amount of single people living in them but also, accordingly, the ones with the least likelihood of any game. Hence the high number of single people living in them. Unless, of course, you're gay, rich and/or a celebrity where a whole different world totally opens up to you.
http://realestate.yahoo.com/promo/going-solo-in-the-usa.html;_ylc=X3oDMTFpaTViZTJvBF9TAzI3MTYxNDkEX3MDOTc2MjA0NjUEc2VjA2ZwLXRvZGF5BHNsawNnb2luZy1zb2xv
Going Solo in the USA
By Sperling's BestPlaces
Sep 29th, 2008
Last year, the New York Times published the results of its census analysis stating that 51% of U.S. women live without a spouse. However, Sperling's BestPlaces discovered this might not be the whole story.
"The Times came to some insightful conclusions with their analysis," said Bert Sperling, lead researcher for Sperling's BestPlaces. "We made some different assumptions to more closely reflect our national lifestyle where fifteen year-old girls aren't commonly expected to get married."
The New York Times used, at that time, the latest demographics from the Census Bureau, including women above age fourteen who were unmarried or separated. Indeed, according to a University of Texas survey, the average age of women at their first marriage is 26.
Sperling's firm looked at similar Census data, but restricted its analysis to single, widowed, and divorced women age 25-64. Without this cap on the age range, places with higher concentrations of elderly people would show a misleading number of single women.
Sperling's conclusion is significantly different than the New York Times. In the 379 metro areas nationwide, 34% of women 25-64 are single.
Despite all the attention to this new milestone for single women, the difference between the number of single men and women is not as great as one might think. Nationally, 32% of men are single.
Where do the lonely hearts live?
"As interesting as the nation as a whole is trending," Sperling said, "we want to see which places had the greatest percentage of single men and women."
Sperling's firm broke down the data by metro area, revealing interesting patterns on where singles live.
San Francisco seems to attract single people like a good pickup line, if there is such a thing. Compared to every other metro area in the U.S., the San Francisco region, which includes areas south like San Mateo and Redwood City, has the highest percentage of single people.
Detroit, with 43% singles, is second only to San Francisco. New York, and Boston round out the top four.
Most southern cities are not flush with single people. Those cities in southern states that have more singles are homes to colleges, where students might choose to remain after graduation, or are known for their nightlife. New Orleans, Austin, and a handful of Florida cities all have more singles than the national average.
"There has to be a lot going on for singles," said David Evans in a phone interview with BestPlaces. Evans is an online dating researcher based in Boston, a city that is 39% single. Evans said Boston has the key factors for single living. "It's a college town, it has nightlife, culture, and lots of jobs."
Whether by choice or circumstance, many are living in some of the biggest cities, surrounded by millions, and still find themselves alone.
The Top Ten "Solo Cities:"
Rank Metro % Single
1 San Francisco, CA 44.7
2 Detroit, MI 44
3 New York, NY 39.8
4 Boston, MA 39.2
5 New Orleans, LA 39.1
6 Los Angeles, CA 37.7
7 Fort Lauderdale, FL 37.2
8 Las Vegas, NV 37
9 Miami, FL 36.9
10 Albuquerque, NM 36.8
Where are the couples?
People tend couple up more in the smaller towns, though there are big city outliers like Edison, NJ, and Nassau-Suffolk metro area in New York. Many places that view themselves as traditional boast marriage rates above the national average.
A few college cities buck the trend of having more singles. North Carolina cities, Raleigh and Charlotte--each home to a university with more than 20,000 students--are in the bottom 25% by percentage of singles.
Logan, UT, and Provo, UT, both have fewer than 20% singles, the lowest in the country. Texas cities McAllen and Laredo have similarly low numbers of single people.
Top Ten Least Single Cities
Rank Metro % Single
1 McAllen, TX 23
2 Lake County, IL 25.1
3 Nassau, NY 26.9
4 Edison, NJ 28
5 Poughkeepsie, NY 28
6 Bakersfield, CA 28.3
7 El Paso, TX 28.4
8 Allentown, PA-NJ 28.4
9 Salt Lake City, UT 28.5
10 Oxnard, CA 28.5
What about that gender gap?
Bars and clubs that promote the ubiquitous "Ladies Night" might be surprised to find their city's gender gap favors the men. Since the U.S. has about 6% more single women than single men, many cities tip toward more women.
Evans said many dating events take care of any imbalance by "stocking the pond," applying a quota so the number of participants of each sex are equal.
Still, where there is an imbalance, the dating life is easier on one gender. Online dating companies are cluing into the gender gap. "All the sites are getting to where the ads are different in geographic areas," Evans said.
When advertising on TV, the radio, or the Internet, personals websites can alter the ads based on whether the city is likely to have a dearth of one gender. An effect of this, Evans said, is that people perceive that there are plenty of fish in the sea.
Top 10 Gender-imbalanced Cities:
Rank Metro Gender gap
1 McAllen, TX 28% more women
2 El Paso, TX 27% more women
3 Memphis, TN 17% more women
4 Bethesda, MD 17% more women
5 San Jose, CA 17% more men
6 Birmingham, AL 16% more women
7 New York, NY 16% more women
8 Baltimore, MD 16% more women
9 Little Rock, AR 16% more women
10 Columbia, SC 15% more women
A gender gap is more common than a perfect balance. Despite that, some places manage to have remarkably similar numbers of men and women, as if someone is stocking the pond of the entire city.
Top 10 Equality Cities:
Rank Metro Gender gap
1 Warren, MI slightly more men
2 Minneapolis, MN slightly more women
3 Tacoma, WA slightly more men
4 Orlando, FL slightly more men
5 Oxnard, CA slightly more men
6 Grand Rapids, MI 1% more men
7 Los Angeles, CA 2% more women
8 Allentown, PA 2% more women
9 Fort Worth, TX 2.5% more women
10 Santa Ana, CA 2.5% more men
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DJ FourMoney
10-05-08, 05:51
Remaining Single does not mean there are MORE targets...
Your window gets narrowed to 3-7 years MAX age difference.
So if your 25, your in the Cat Bird's seat. At 20-21 you get fresh and hot, at your age down to 30 you get usually just as attractive, maybe not as fresh but more mature sexually.
But for the rest of us.....
30 somethings in America have little to offer IMHO. They usually haven't worn too well, usually have children and bad attitudes.
But like in ANY bad market, you can find some GEMS and "Fixer Uppers". I personally don't think its worth all the trouble, which is why I don't bother really.
In my opinion what matters is not the quality of women you get but the amount of (moneyXtime)/(quantityXquality). So for example if you pay 2000$ on tickets, apartment, restaurants and 7 days to bed a 6 chick, then you overpay. It is not subjective, it is objective. From my point of view no girl is worth more than 1000 euro for a fuck. The success is measured not by the absolute number of the fucked girls but by the proportion (quantityXquality)/(moneyXtime).
So if for example one stays 6 months in an FSU country and pays 50000$ for that and lays 10 freebies, he is not successfull because he has paid 5000$ for each freebie and has spent 16 days on each freebie.
In reality to be regarded successful in EE, you have to bed 1 freebie every 3 days, that is 60 freebies in 6 months and spend for that only 25000$ maximum.
Spending money on girls and spoiling them is silly if you get above a natural limit. Why spending money when you can get a girl from the street and drive her to your apartment? Cars are good for isolating girls. For example ''do you want to go for a ride? '' and you isolate her. Cars are not good for meeting girls. Buses are much better for meeting girls as it is walking.
Expensive apartment is not needed because every girl who has decided to enter the apartment has decided to get laid.
About the reasons FSU girls hook up with foreigners.
1. They are feed with unrealistic expectations about the West. For example they think that the average salary in Germany is 10000 euro per month.
2. They falsely suppose that the foreigner is touch, sly, smart, aggresive and can manage a lot of things because in these countries the men who have money are the ones who have these characteristics.
3. They want to use foreigner as a pivot in order to find sth better when they get the visa and land in foreign land. They purposely marry men they are not attracted to in order to leave them immediately when they get the visa. In reality they have thought of the divorce before even arranging the marriage and have calculated everything. For example, O. K. I will sacrifice two years with the idiot, I will remain beautiful and find another man in the country I will go. They see the whole case as a bargain.
In every case it is a big mistake to marry such a girl and bring her to your home country unless you marry an ugly one. You can see it in their eyes that they are searching constantly for the opportunity and will move to sb richer given the chance.
I don't want to be tiring. All this is common sense.
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You make some sound points, but I think the validity of your post depends upon the reason why the individual mongers and the use of this site. Most forum members see mongering as purely a short-term P4P activity with numerous providers at a reasonable rate. If this is in fact the case, your assessment is largely valid.
Other members are on this site because they are socially frustrated and, ipso facto, sexually deprived; a few members may be sexual deviants and seek outlets for their perversion. While other members may be traveling or extremely busy professionals that desire sex but don’t have the time to cultivate healthy and normal sexual relations with partners.
For me, a person that has no problem obtaining one night stands from Western women in the 5-7.5 category, it is about having repetitive access to multiple women in the high 7’s to 9 category. It’s essentially being the guy in the club surrounded by the best looking women in the club. In LA, in order to do this you need to be a grade A movie star/musician or a notable studio executive. In NY, you need to very very wealthy captain of industry or top tier professional athlete (Jeter, Federer, Pro QB,) There may be exceptions to this re the combination of fame and wealth, but unless I embark upon a successful political career, I will never have this option availed to me in my country. I came to grips with this long ago. That being said, I once dated a Clippers cheerleader, a girl that appeared in a Maxim spread, and a few models in LA, but once I hit the east coast, particularly New York, the quality of the looks of the women that I dated diminished. (Perhaps this has something to do with me being found annoying and disingenuous by East Coast people while in LA my personality is much more embraced.) Even with the outer reaches of top-tier looking gals being within my grasp if I leapt high enough and was lucky, the amount of work I exerted to get these women was immense…and I certainly never had numerous women of this caliber on call in the US. And the one’s that I did snag were looking for something serious with me as opposed to just wanting to shag and have fun.
I divulge this not toot my own horn, but to provide the backdrop for my comments.
Most of the pics that I see posted in the galleries (including my own posts) are of women that are at least 2 categories in looks below what I date—with the exception of the Moscow Night Flight Girls and some senoritas in the Colombia galleries.
Furthermore, to me, short-term fucking is truly unappealing. I’d rather just fantasize and jerk off than go short-time.
In order to have a cadre of 7.5s and up in the 2nd and 3rd world one needs to have more than just a few bucks for a few weeks. One needs to cultivate an image of and extend a sphere of comfort, generosity, and kindness above all else. Providing fun and appearing to be successful (however one may define this) factor into this equation as well.
A deluxe apartment is important for throwing parties where the one hot girl you meet brings 4 or five of her hot friends--generally, but not always, people of a similar status hang together-- where you create an enjoyable environment. Perhaps some of you are luckier than I, but in less than 20% of the time did I have Romanesque type orgies with the group of women at my place the first time--although this number did increase with the repetition of the encounters.
The lavish—contextually speaking—parties are to provide introduction to the other women and to be known as a kind, generous, fun creating, and wealthy man. Once you do this, not only your primary contact will be impressed with you but her friends…and likely her friends friends… will be too.
The places where I operate are relatively small places and I’m often shocked at how much the girls know about me…in many places, one’s reputation truly does precede you. So if one is being generous and kind to one woman this fact will be broadcast to hordes of other women. I had a German wingman for some of my time in my most recent destination who was a long term resident and had a high profile job…unfortunately, he had a very bad reputation in the town and many girls literally ran from him when they saw him coming.
What does this mean to me? It meant that days after a happy birthday celebration—which means that you pay for a somewhat expensive night out on the town for a girl and her friends—I was driving along in the car when I heard a very hot girl that was at a party at my place-- but seemed uninterested in me at the time-- call out to me. I stopped, picked her up with her grocery bags, and was in the process of dropping her off at home when I said that I needed to stop by my home for a second. She hesitated ever so slightly, but I reassured her with “oh come on, you’ve already been over my house, you know I am a nice guy, I just gotta do something for work.” She bought it, and after inviting her in and showing her my pictures from my travels and giving her some champagne I fucked her.
This girl was an 8 and would have never felt comfortable enough to go back to my place unless she previously knew me.
In essence, the parties and other multiparty gatherings allow one to cast his mongering net over a large area with little individual effort…the shotgun approach.
***And For DD, who is actively seeking a serious significant other, it allows me to be introduced to women who are on the periphery of the party scene; either sisters of party girls that are normally just as hot as the party girl herself or her friends that used to be in the lifestyle of were friends from school that are no longer or never were on the circuit. Essentially, serious women who look good, like to have some fun, but have jobs are relatively normal. That’s what I want to capture.***
Some also assume that bedding the highest quality party girl is just a matter of money. This is patently false, these sometime prostitutes are human and take pride in being selective as to whom they cater to. I was recently with some good looking Western Europeans who attempted to get with some top tier party chicks; the girls shot them down in a rude and decisive fashion. I know that many of the girls were prostitutes and that two Germans had each offered 250 euros for two girls. This was well within the girls’ price range. However, the girls declined.
Conversely, one of these very same girls flew off to Singapore with me to see the Grand Prix…missed it though… I paid her nothing save the first night’s fee.
DJ since you are really sold on girls of the white EE variety have you took a look at the Stans. I spent some time in Uzbekistan back in 05 the place is good for mongering and I found a lot of the local women pretty sweet. Ethnic Russians and Uzbeks are on the menu but with the Uzbeks most of them are Muslim so it might be some issues to work out there. On the flip side the place is a third world shit hole and once you leave the capital it regresses to some dark age’s type shit.
Ethnic Uzbeks certainly aren't European.
Most of the former stans are very diverse places with many different women there of many ethnicities and hues. And yes, there are still many Slavic women in most of the countries.
The russians in the stans are also more tolerant than the Slavs in Russia and the Ukraine due to the amalgamation of the different folk there.
Ethnic Uzbeks certainly aren't European.
Got damn Dick head. I am not as educated as the rest of you MOFOs on this site but I know Uzbek's are not European but they are WHITE. Another thing Uzbekistan is not considered to be Europe but Asia. I would say Jesus fucking Christ but I am a atheist.
In the time I was there I met girls from all over that region. Iranians, Tatars, Kyrgs you name it. Had some good times....
Chocha Monger
10-06-08, 08:42
Warbucks,
Maybe Chocha Monger is a bit jaded but after reading that Stickman article “You’re The Problem, Not The Girls” by Tdunda, I got the feeling that the Tdunda fellow was biased towards the little Thai prostitutes. Admittedly, as many can attest, it is hard to give a neutral opinion on some little darling who keeps the nut sack well drained thereby staving off pressure on the brain and other such maladies. True, lots of aged mongers behave quite silly when they bust nuts up in some sweet young foreigner but I think Tdunda missed the point entirely. The buying and selling of sex is a business just like selling cars. I wonder if Tdunda walks onto a car lot expecting the salesman to tell him the fair price of the cars on sale? Perhaps, Tdunda tells the salesman upfront the maximum amount he is willing to pay for a particular car. Maybe he does all these things and gets a great deal. In that case I’m buying my next car using his tactics.
Anyway, for the rest of us we know that when it comes to prostitution it is not unlike the used car market. If you volunteer too much information you are liable to be vigorously screwed but not kissed. The mongers and the prostitutes are just playing the games that come naturally to the business. The prostitute plays girlfriend to get what she wants while the monger plays boyfriend to get what he wants. Both sides know what the other is up to but they will never admit it because that would be like guessing out aloud the other players’ cards in a poker match. It’s just not cool and people are likely to come away with more bad feelings than necessary. They know they’re going to lose their money but they don’t want the added aggravation.
Tdunda is one of those guys who assumes that women are “good” by nature and that it is because of men they become evil. Chocha Monger’s school of thought is a bit different to the Tdunda philosophy. Why? I’m not sure. Maybe it because a Thai stunner at my facility is cheating on her husband with some other guy with four kids to maintain, or the white Mexican spinner is fucking around on her in shape hardworking husband with a guy who is 5 ft 4 in and 275 lbs working a minimum wage job. These women aren’t trading up as commonly assumed, not financially or socially in any case. Can it be that they’re doing what they do simply because they can sort of like a dog licking his balls?
Of course, they are guys who have flaws or perversions as the main drivers for going abroad to seek women. However, if one looks around or even better dates around at home it is not too hard to see why men prefer going abroad. The reasons are no longer limited to the social but are now strongly economic especially if one has some money to lose. Tdunda really needs to lay off the pontificating as he is no better than the cry-baby mongers. He still travels for sex in the Third World because it offers him an advantage that he does not have at home. If Tdunda was sexing it up back home with hot young women he wouldn’t be spending money to go to Thailand.
As for married mongers, I think one would be better off choosing to follow one path or the other. There is simply too much that can go wrong when trying to travel in both lanes. Sometimes there is a crash and innocent people can get hurt. I’m not making any judgments on those who enjoy dual status. Only the people in that situation can really know why they choose to do it and whether it is justified or not.
Warbucks,
Maybe Chocha Monger is a bit jaded but after reading that Stickman article “You’re The Problem, Not The Girls” by Tdunda, I got the feeling that the Tdunda fellow was biased towards the little Thai prostitutes. Admittedly, as many can attest, it is hard to give a neutral opinion on some little darling who keeps the nut sack well drained thereby staving off pressure on the brain and other such maladies.
As for married mongers, I think one would be better off choosing to follow one path or the other. There is simply too much that can go wrong when trying to travel in both lanes. Sometimes there is a crash and innocent people can get hurt. I’m not making any judgments on those who enjoy dual status. Only the people in that situation can really know why they choose to do it and whether it is justified or not.
CM hold on my man I am not agreeing with the guy just thought it was a good read. Sadly I must confess my good feelings toward women are deteriorating with every passing day.
As for the quality of what is available to American men overseas my girl now whom I met in Japan looks 100x better then my ex-American wife.
As for the married mongers I don't agree or disagree makes me no difference but I don't understand it. In particular the ones who go at mongering with reckless abandon.
warbucks,
maybe chocha monger is a bit jaded but after reading that stickman article “you’re the problem, not the girls” by tdunda, i got the feeling that the tdunda fellow was biased towards the little thai prostitutes. admittedly, as many can attest, it is hard to give a neutral opinion on some little darling who keeps the nut sack well drained thereby staving off pressure on the brain and other such maladies. true, lots of aged mongers behave quite silly when they bust nuts up in some sweet young foreigner but i think tdunda missed the point entirely. the buying and selling of sex is a business just like selling cars. i wonder if tdunda walks onto a car lot expecting the salesman to tell him the fair price of the cars on sale? perhaps, tdunda tells the salesman upfront the maximum amount he is willing to pay for a particular car. maybe he does all these things and gets a great deal. in that case i’m buying my next car using his tactics.
anyway, for the rest of us we know that when it comes to prostitution it is not unlike the used car market. if you volunteer too much information you are liable to be vigorously screwed but not kissed. the mongers and the prostitutes are just playing the games that come naturally to the business. the prostitute plays girlfriend to get what she wants while the monger plays boyfriend to get what he wants. both sides know what the other is up to but they will never admit it because that would be like guessing out aloud the other players’ cards in a poker match. it’s just not cool and people are likely to come away with more bad feelings than necessary. they know they’re going to lose their money but they don’t want the added aggravation.
tdunda is one of those guys who assumes that women are “good” by nature and that it is because of men they become evil. chocha monger’s school of thought is a bit different to the tdunda philosophy. why? i’m not sure. maybe it because a thai stunner at my facility is cheating on her husband with some other guy with four kids to maintain, or the white mexican spinner is fucking around on her in shape hardworking husband with a guy who is 5 ft 4 in and 275 lbs working a minimum wage job. these women aren’t trading up as commonly assumed, not financially or socially in any case. can it be that they’re doing what they do simply because they can sort of like a dog licking his balls?
of course, they are guys who have flaws or perversions as the main drivers for going abroad to seek women. however, if one looks around or even better dates around at home it is not too hard to see why men prefer going abroad. the reasons are no longer limited to the social but are now strongly economic especially if one has some money to lose. tdunda really needs to lay off the pontificating as he is no better than the cry-baby mongers. he still travels for sex in the third world because it offers him an advantage that he does not have at home. if tdunda was sexing it up back home with hot young women he wouldn’t be spending money to go to thailand.
as for married mongers, i think one would be better off choosing to follow one path or the other. there is simply too much that can go wrong when trying to travel in both lanes. sometimes there is a crash and innocent people can get hurt. i’m not making any judgments on those who enjoy dual status. only the people in that situation can really know why they choose to do it and whether it is justified or not.
i loathe and can't comprehend some aspects of the hooking game.
i can't understand how some dude who knows that the chick he is talking to wants to offer him money for sex can sit around and interact with the chick like it's a normal relationship.
with me, if i like a hooker, i introduce myslf and i steer the discussion to her costs within 45 seconds. i then take her home and try to poke her for the agreed allotment of time.
i can't see how italians in moldova and arabs in bkk buy these hookers presents, take them to dinner, and other shit.
it's fucking absurd.
go to grace hotel and every chick there refers to some trick named farid as her boyfriend. if he's your boyfriend why are you asking me me for 1500 short time?
i once saw a spaghetti eater in moldova take a $25 sauna girl to the arab restaurant (amazon, a real fucking dive) and sip wine with the hoe as if he was sitting on the riveria with a respectable lady. he was kisisng her hand and caressing her hair througout the ordeal. this is the same chick that four of my mates and i had run a train on in a banja a few months before.
maybe a bit of conversation is necessary so the girl can establish that the trick is not going to pull a charlie manson on her but can one really tell if she will be a good performer or the man won't try to beat her from a brief conversation?
if this were the case, no people would ever be raped or dismembered by serial killers.
i used to think eye contact from a chick in the line up was key but all this proves is that she needs to work...not that she neccessarlily wants to work for you.
perhaps the man thinks he will get beter service if he is nice...maybe...but flowers to a hooker? me thinks this promptly labels one as a grade a sucka by the girl.
hookers are mostly of weak mind and morals and they will take advantage of you in a second if you let them. it's to their advantage to preserve the pussy.
machaivelli's advice is germaine to getting good service in p4p too. you can only get it if you are loved (liked) or feared. i don't mean beating a chick...although i can guarauntee you it wont be the first time a man has smacked her... i mean giving off the impression that if she doesn't do what she says she would and/or provide good service her time with you will be uncomfortable.
when i am with a hooker and am successful in imparting this i get the best service. ***however, some of these girls are a lot tougher than i am and can tell that i won't do shit to them and when i try to pull the tough guy act on them they laugh at me and roll me like a punk.***
conversely, when i try to be niceto them they take advantage of me and do shit like yap away on their cell phone as i fuck them, promise me all night and leave after one shot or, worse, staying in my place and acting like its theirs...one krygz hooker had the neve to ask me to make her a sandwhich after she told me that she didn't feel like blowing me.
i hate the games that both hookers and punters play sometime.
And what the fuck is up with taxi money for hookers?
I don't go to my boss and say,"hay chief, can I get some snaps on the petrol?" I am expected to pay for my transporation to work from my salary.
Are hookers entiled to per diem now?
Bango Cheito
10-06-08, 10:02
I dunno about that one Dirk. I've always been nice and respectful to the girls and generally get great service, and exactly what I ask for. And just because a girl has sex for a living, does that mean she doesn't deserve a nice dinner? It's not like I've ever bought a p4p girl anything more than a bag of chips, but I certainly would never be hypocrite enough to look down on those girls. I'm glad they've been there for me when I wanted them.
I dunno about that one Dirk. I've always been nice and respectful to the girls and generally get great service, and exactly what I ask for. And just because a girl has sex for a living, does that mean she doesn't deserve a nice dinner? It's not like I've ever bought a p4p girl anything more than a bag of chips, but I certainly would never be hypocrite enough to look down on those girls. I'm glad they've been there for me when I wanted them.
Look, I'll buy a ***** a burger is she says she is hungry. I am fairly respecful of the hookers I meet. But, a hooker woould be acting contrary to her own interests if she did not do as little as possible, for as much money as possible, in as little time as possible...especially true in the ST game.
I'm not really interested in shalacking any woman, epsecially a *****, more than once unless they do shit like rimming and prostate massage or I am attracted to their mind.
I also don't want to look like a fool and be seen with a hooker in public...which is what all the locals and long term residents say when they see this sort of behaivor...of course in nana or soi cowboy nobody really cares.
If you always get excellent service from hookers the you are a luckier man than I.
perhaps this has something to do with me rarely having vaginal intercourse with hookers any more. i normally just ask them to perform felatio on me until i finish and this often takes 30 minutes or longer.
DJ FourMoney
10-06-08, 11:35
And what the fuck is up with taxi money for hookers?
I don't go to my boss and say,"hay chief, can I get some snaps on the petrol?" I am expected to pay for my transporation to work from my salary.
Are hookers entiled to per diem now?
Actually if I make a run for work, I can get gas money for it....
But yeah in the EE it seems Per Diem is in vogue....
DJ FourMoney
10-06-08, 11:50
DJ since you are really sold on girls of the white EE variety have you took a look at the Stans. I spent some time in Uzbekistan back in 05 the place is good for mongering and I found a lot of the local women pretty sweet. Ethnic Russians and Uzbeks are on the menu but with the Uzbeks most of them are Muslim so it might be some issues to work out there. On the flip side the place is a third world shit whole and once you leave the capital it regresses to some dark age’s type shit.
The "Stans" are soo REMOTE, Not cheap to get too and for ?
I talked to a girl in the 'stans and she well wasn't all that hot. I talked to another girl in the "Stans" and found out you need Visas and other nonsense. Never mind remote countries and the last girl, I would have had to asked momma and poppa for her hand.... Talk about 19th Century!
I'll keep my options open...
Kazakhstan is very fucking expensive with over inflated prices due to its hydrocarbon resources...it also has tons of expats that work in the well paying oil industry--although often in remote areas--which means that isolated men working in well below freezing temperatures for weeks at a time are known to blow large sums on the ladies when they get furlough.
Kyrgystan has no pretty women. Fullstop.
Afghanistan has some hot Pushtuns but many more dudes with long beards and longer guns trying to distance you from your life.
Turkministan is great..losts of hot russian babes...but it's the second most closed regime in the world (DPRK) and there is no way you will get a visa there.
Uzbekistan is kosher...but the Uzbek Embassy in DC does not really issue tourist visas to US Citizens since they kicked Uncle Sam out en masse. Nice variety of babes, but a lotta hoops for a yank to get through to get there.
Tajikistan...a dearth of babes like Bishkek I hear.
Azerbijan..not really a Stan...has some smoking hot babes but you gotta marry'm before you get the panties...also expensive as it is flush with petro dollars.
Georgia...been to Tiblisi once...nice looking girls but the mentality is kinda like Kosovo....much more conservative than Slavic countries.
The easiest place to get to with the hottest babes is Colombia. It's often only a 600 buck flight from NYC.
There are also hot chicks in America but most folks dont want to hear about them round here.
CBGBConnisur
10-06-08, 16:28
South America would beat out those Stans any day of the week.
South America would beat out those Stans any day of the week.
This is one item that I'd have to agree with your nutty self on....I am still perplexed at your "jews think that are black post....anyway, no reasonable person could assume that anywhere but Colombia is the best place to monger in. Just check out the photo gallery from Colombia. I spanked the old love stick many a night in Baghdad to those gals.
Colombia holds a special place in my heart because it's where I had the best sex of my life at...this chica from LDV was so good i gave her all the money in my wallet and even the jacket that i bought earlier in CTG. truly an outstanding performance.
The one place that I have never been of interest is BA, I hear that the women there are nice but the prices in some of the clubs seem high for my pocket.
Doctor_Skank
10-07-08, 11:34
There are also hot chicks in America but most folks dont want to hear about them round here.Shut your mouth!
:)
Colombia holds a special place in my heart because it's where I had the best sex of my life at...
The one place that I have never been of interest is BA, I hear that the women there are nice but the prices in some of the clubs seem high for my pocket.
Places I'd love to monger in but never have:
Colombia
Brazil
Japan
For some reason I'm the same lukewarm on BA. Never really appealed to me.
CBGBConnisur
10-07-08, 14:35
This is one item that I'd have to agree with your nutty self on....I am still perplexed at your "jews think that are black post....anyway, no reasonable person could assume that anywhere but Colombia is the best place to monger in. Just check out the photo gallery from Colombia. I spanked the old love stick many a night in Baghdad to those gals.
Colombia holds a special place in my heart because it's where I had the best sex of my life at...this chica from LDV was so good i gave her all the money in my wallet and even the jacket that i bought earlier in CTG. truly an outstanding performance.
The one place that I have never been of interest is BA, I hear that the women there are nice but the prices in some of the clubs seem high for my pocket.
Forget about Colombia, Brazil is unbelievable, and its a huge country with many different regions. If you like Scandinavian or German blondes there is the Southern region where the ultimate German blonde, Gisele Bundchen comes from. Go there and you will find that Gisele is a dime a dozen over in her hometown yet worth $30 million a year in the USA. There is also Rio which is more of a mix and you get more of the brown or Caramel Brazilian girls. Then there is the North if you like dark meat. If you cannot find action in Brazil you are either gay or just a complete loser.
Most of those Stans are Muslim or Muslimified, I would not be caught dead in one of those places surrounded by Borat lookalikes. Many of the modern women from those countries are Kim Kardashian(who is either Turkish or Armenian American) clones and that is not a compliment, women like that are complete turnoffs and ***** princesses. Latinas are much better in comparison but only Latinas in their own countries, forget about the ones raised in the USA.
I have me a good number of Uzbeks in the US in the NYC area, they all seem to run hair salons and barber shops in NYC, the women are very babushka like. Some guys might like it but they are too mommy like for me.
I like Europe too but its becoming way too Americanized(fast food culture is now just as common in Europe as in the USA) for my taste these days. Russo/Ukrainian women though are hard to resist but still have the issues with their drunk male family members, and possible mafia connections.
I am in a relationship with a half white half Japanese woman, the big thing about them is their submissiveness, she is so quiet I often cannot understand what she says. Still despite growing up in a Western nation, she is unbelievably submissive and that is the Japanese side talking. I think that is the reason why many white males find Asians attractive, because they seem more submissive towards men compared to white females. A famous professor at Harvard even said that was the reason he found Asians more attractive.
Something tells me that DJ would have a harder time dating Latinas of pure blooded European ancestry in LA than he would in the States...something tells me we all would.
Those pure bloods still behave as if King Carlos retains soverignty over his colonies.
The pics of the women on the Colombian thread look better than the chicks on the Brazil thread...but both countries have their share of beautiful women.
Submissive women bore me after a date of two...I prefer a woman with some spunk and pizazz
hookers are mostly of weak mind and morals and they will take advantage of you in a second if you let them. it's to their advantage to preserve the pussy.
I don't know where you monger but I've mongered in a lot of places for a lot of years and what I've found is that hookers are unique individuals. You probably haven't gotten to really know any of them personally. I have. You can't really generalize to the extent that you do. I'd never marry a hooker (but then I'd never marry anyone) but I've gotten to know a dozen or so very, very well and I'd ask you: how are the morals of the hookers any different than the morals of we guys who are fucking them? Now the "weak mind" thing, if they had more education some of them, maybe a lot of them, maybe even most of them would not be hookers. But that doesn't mean their minds are weak. It means they had less opportunity than some other people due to circumstances that are largely (but not totally) beyond their control.
The one place that I have never been of interest is BA, I hear that the women there are nice but the prices in some of the clubs seem high for my pocket.
Laughing my ass off at this since I live there and last night my club experience cost me right around 40 USD including transportation and that included a drink that was about 4-5 ounces of whiskey. And my selection, with whom I'd talked before but who I had never fucked before, was nice looking (a 7 or so) and did not do any of the crap you've talked about in your recent posts.
To get back on topic, trying taking an American Woman out for dinner and spending 40 bucks. Oh yeah and I also got peanuts, potato chips and "palitos" which are like miniature bread sticks.
CBGBConnisur
10-08-08, 03:25
Kim Kardashian??!! She is a **** like Paris Hilton, overprivileged brat. Living off her dead father's inheritance. A reason I fear having daughters, I do not want my kids becoming like that, I want them to use their brains. Frankly my current girlfriend has a the genetic material to produce a genius, she is a doctor and even spent some time as a cancer researcher at a very famous US medical school. I am truly an old man as I love this attractive woman more for whats in between her ears than her legs.
True that pureblooded South Americans have uber egos. I have ran into a fair number of Argentinians and Brazilians in Sydney, a lot of them young people who immigrated to Australia, many of them had huge issues in dealing with a more egalitarian society like Australia, like having to work for a living. In fact they are absolutely annoying, but frankly the Anglos just see them as another group of Wogs, they cannot fit in so well with AngloSaxon Aussies, so that cuts their egos down to size. Its strange how East Asians have become honorary "white" men in this former British penal colony though as the Aussie government totally kowtows to its big Asian neighbors like Japan and China.
Those tits are obviously fake and she is not that cute. I've fucked cuter chicas in $30 privados here in Buenos Aires as recently as last week. Even the ones I fucked yesterday were close to her in looks and weren't fake. I hate fake. Go with what you've got. I used to fuck this totally flat chested Argentinean chica and she was great. Her nipples would get like four inches long (10 cm). You could hang an umbrella on those puppies.
DJ FourMoney
10-08-08, 12:30
Kazakhstan is very fucking expensive with over inflated prices due to its hydrocarbon resources...it also has tons of expats that work in the well paying oil industry--although often in remote areas--which means that isolated men working in well below freezing temperatures for weeks at a time are known to blow large sums on the ladies when they get furlough.
Kyrgystan has no pretty women. Fullstop.
Afghanistan has some hot Pushtuns but many more dudes with long beards and longer guns trying to distance you from your life.
Turkministan is great..losts of hot russian babes...but it's the second most closed regime in the world (DPRK) and there is no way you will get a visa there.
Uzbekistan is kosher...but the Uzbek Embassy in DC does not really issue tourist visas to US Citizens since they kicked Uncle Sam out en masse. Nice variety of babes, but a lotta hoops for a yank to get through to get there.
Tajikistan...a dearth of babes like Bishkek I hear.
Azerbijan..not really a Stan...has some smoking hot babes but you gotta marry'm before you get the panties...also expensive as it is flush with petro dollars.
Georgia...been to Tiblisi once...nice looking girls but the mentality is kinda like Kosovo....much more conservative than Slavic countries.
The easiest place to get to with the hottest babes is Colombia. It's often only a 600 buck flight from NYC.
There are also hot chicks in America but most folks dont want to hear about them round here.
Of course there hot chicks in LA, shiet I was at the Long Beach GP and saw miles of them... All tan, tities out and sexy, many with BF/HB however, like car racing is a magnet for single women, NOT.
The point of my problem with AW is mostly to do with age. I'm 38, means effective range is 30-40. Women over 40 constantly contact me like I said it was okay, its not.... While many of these women look pretty good to be late 30's, early 40's. Why on god's green earth would I want that, when I can do early 30's in Germany or most of Western Europe; if I try HARD enough I can come up with mid 20's and in lesser places like Slovakia I can get mid to late 20's as well.
We haven't even got to Eastern Europe, Russia or the "Stans" yet...
Maybe its ME but I've seen some of the Colombian Women for Western Men sites and the "brothas" aren't pulling "hotties" to me, mostly average looking women and few of those "Black" Colombians, maybe I could do better on my own? I know there some seriously FINE Colombian women, maybe they like Latinos or White guys only? I will find one, maybe next spring.
DJ FourMoney
10-08-08, 12:42
Those tits are obviously fake and she is not that cute. I've fucked cuter chicas in $30 privados here in Buenos Aires as recently as last week. Even the ones I fucked yesterday were close to her in looks and weren't fake. I hate fake. Go with what you've got. I used to fuck this totally flat chested Argentinean chica and she was great. Her nipples would get like four inches long (10 cm). You could hang an umbrella on those puppies.
Yeah, some BA chicks are supa hot and many of European blood which makes for an interesting combination.
Forget Europe, do South America DH?????
CBGB -
Naaa your not old, just wise... What's between the legs is important but not nearly as important as what's between the ears.
Euro Asians can be very attractive, I bet there more than a FEW down in Aussieland.
CBGBConnisur
10-09-08, 17:57
Western Europe is as expensive or more expensive than North America, so as an ordinary American, you cannot play the rich American game with Western Euro women, especially since the Dollar is still weak compared to the Euro. Maybe it could work in Eastern Europe except Russia(Moscow has 75 Billionaires in one whole city and Russians these days don't have any hardships marrying rich locals). Latin America still has a lot of "bang" for the buck. Latin women are mostly European anyway, these countries were founded by European colonists.
I go to Europe quite a bit and have no problem meeting women but I do not have the kind of leverage that I had in the past.
Someone mentioned a 200kUS salary impressing women, that currently works out to 140k EUR not really that impressive these days.
I agree that some BA chics are supa hot - I was married to one, once. We had no kids though which was a good thing. But definitely not worth the troubles, headaches and everything else associated with them. Then again, this happened here in Sex Prison USA. I'm sure the ones in BA themselves must behave differently as they are in their homeland as opposed to being in the land of "gold and honey" (at least it is for women regardless of the ongoing banking and mortgage crisis). When I met her, she had just recently arrived to the USA. And it was curious how she behaved and acted all feminine in spite of coming from a place where women have that "Evita" and "Christina Kirchner" complex - which is of the women wearing the pants and calling the shots. Very much like AW nowadays except for the fact that taking care of themselves, staying trim and fit, and looking their damn best is of top priority to them (this, ofcourse, unlike AW's). But once she bacame shrewed in the American way of things, she took a turn for the worst in every single aspect. It was incredible the stark contrast between before / after in only a short number of years that took place. I guess that is what unfortunately this country does to a lot of women that come to stay here....
Colombia is definitely the best place for finding novias and getting pretty much your best value per dollar/euro for p4p action. However, as globalization takes its toll there for the worst, coming by nice, good and decent girls is becoming more of a task each time. I have been keeping an eye out for Brazil for some time now. Especially since no one that I have known to have been there has had anything bad or negative to say about the place - much less so about the women. Maybe Brazileiras are a cross-breed between Colombianas (sweet, fun, loving) and Argentinas (refined, culturally rich and elegant).
BTW, I have seen Kim Kardashian up front and close in Los Angeles. She is very hot and exotic looking but you can tell that it mostly comes from what is fake and enhanced. I must admit that middle-eastern looking (Persians, Armenians, arabs and some Israeli) women are definitely among the best looking gals in Los Angeles. Along with them are the Asian hotties. They are even better looking than the latinas here who mostly come from Mexico and Central America. BTW, there is no comparison with the Mexican and Central American women when put side-by-side with most South American Women - especially those from Colombia, Venezuela, Brazil and Argentina. The others might compare since they carry very similar features. This past spring, when I was in Ecuador and Peru, it very much felt like being in Tijuana and in East Los Angeles - lots of cholas. But then again, some of those girlies can prove to be nice and sweet and even cute.
The idea of women wearing the pants and calling the shots in Argentina is so far beyond ludicrous that I am ROTFLMAO right now. Men call the shots here, without a doubt. You married some snobby upper-class Argie who probably wasn't even ethnically Latin. Don't make that mistake again. In fact marriage is a mistake that now is ranging towards just being a flat out joke.
DJ FourMoney
10-12-08, 10:23
The idea of women wearing the pants and calling the shots in Argentina is so far beyond ludicrous that I am ROTFLMAO right now. Men call the shots here, without a doubt. You married some snobby upper-class Argie who probably wasn't even ethnically Latin. Don't make that mistake again. In fact marriage is a mistake that now is ranging towards just being a flat out joke.
Yeah I know most are anti-marriage here and I accept that... He prolly did marry some Westernized version of a Latina, he could have done that in America and saved himself some money from traveling...
CBGBConnisur
10-13-08, 02:40
Upper crust South American women are very assertive and not the kind of feminine escape from AWs. Just look at some of the Brazilian models in the US. Gisele Bundchen is worth $30 million a year, she is an AW to the extreme. I also know for a fact that many of them go to Western countries to be educated, so what you get is a mindset that is no different from that of your typical AW. I have met many nose in air Brazilians in Sydney, a lot of them are from rich families and migrated to Oz or many are students in local universities. The rich in
Latin America's elites are just as rich and actually even worse than the rich in the US. These people are generally accustomed to people bending over for them and kissing their asses. Its absolutely mind blowing how the wealthy in the developing world behave. The rich in the West are still subject to certain rules and can easily be crucified in the court of public opinion. Not so in Latin America, Asia(except Japan), Mideast, Russia, and other places.
That is not the kind of Latina you want. Get someone from a more normal background.
Kim Kardashian is not my idea of attractive, she has the demeanor of a witch
like most Middle Eastern and Indian women.
I agree that some BA chics are supa hot - I was married to one, once. We had no kids though which was a good thing. But definitely not worth the troubles, headaches and everything else associated with them. Then again, this happened here in Sex Prison USA. I'm sure the ones in BA themselves must behave differently as they are in their homeland as opposed to being in the land of "gold and honey" (at least it is for women regardless of the ongoing banking and mortgage crisis). When I met her, she had just recently arrived to the USA. And it was curious how she behaved and acted all feminine in spite of coming from a place where women have that "Evita" and "Christina Kirchner" complex - which is of the women wearing the pants and calling the shots. Very much like AW nowadays except for the fact that taking care of themselves, staying trim and fit, and looking their damn best is of top priority to them (this, ofcourse, unlike AW's). But once she bacame shrewed in the American way of things, she took a turn for the worst in every single aspect. It was incredible the stark contrast between before / after in only a short number of years that took place. I guess that is what unfortunately this country does to a lot of women that come to stay here....
Colombia is definitely the best place for finding novias and getting pretty much your best value per dollar/euro for p4p action. However, as globalization takes its toll there for the worst, coming by nice, good and decent girls is becoming more of a task each time. I have been keeping an eye out for Brazil for some time now. Especially since no one that I have known to have been there has had anything bad or negative to say about the place - much less so about the women. Maybe Brazileiras are a cross-breed between Colombianas (sweet, fun, loving) and Argentinas (refined, culturally rich and elegant).
BTW, I have seen Kim Kardashian up front and close in Los Angeles. She is very hot and exotic looking but you can tell that it mostly comes from what is fake and enhanced. I must admit that middle-eastern looking (Persians, Armenians, arabs and some Israeli) women are definitely among the best looking gals in Los Angeles. Along with them are the Asian hotties. They are even better looking than the latinas here who mostly come from Mexico and Central America. BTW, there is no comparison with the Mexican and Central American women when put side-by-side with most South American Women - especially those from Colombia, Venezuela, Brazil and Argentina. The others might compare since they carry very similar features. This past spring, when I was in Ecuador and Peru, it very much felt like being in Tijuana and in East Los Angeles - lots of cholas. But then again, some of those girlies can prove to be nice and sweet and even cute.
Right on.
Allow me to reiterate again: No reasonable person could conclude that anyplace but Colombia is the best place to monger at.
Yes, Kim K is truly beautiful..whether or not her looks got a substantial boost from a Beverly Hills plastic surgeon is beside the point...bought, earned, or bestowed by genetics she is still one hot chick.
The only time I consider plastic surgery is when I wonder about its lifespan...in 15 years how will she look?...can another surgery maintain the results?
Middle Eastern Women are either very good looking or very ugly. I was in Azerbaijan once and I found the women there to be very stunning..off the hook actually...but many of the Middle East girls that live in America still retain many of their native customs, which makes it an ordeal to bang them.
I dated an Iranian in LA six years ago for five months and we never shagged once. At that time she expected to (and did) retain her virginity until marriage(to another Persian). ..she blew me repeatedly and did this thingy where I grinded on her ass until I came...but no penetration was considered nor allowed.
You are right that the Golden Age of mongering has passed due to globalization and the redistrubution of wealth...one has to go to places which are untouched by globalization to truly enjoy the lifestyle with little effort and those places are now few and far between..Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan for hot slavic chicks...provincial cities in LA (or Cuba) for hot Latinas.
Western Europe is as expensive or more expensive than North America, so as an ordinary American, you cannot play the rich American game with Western Euro women, especially since the Dollar is still weak compared to the Euro. Maybe it could work in Eastern Europe except Russia(Moscow has 75 Billionaires in one whole city and Russians these days don't have any hardships marrying rich locals). Latin America still has a lot of "bang" for the buck. Latin women are mostly European anyway, these countries were founded by European colonists.
I go to Europe quite a bit and have no problem meeting women but I do not have the kind of leverage that I had in the past.
Someone mentioned a 200kUS salary impressing women, that currently works out to 140k EUR not really that impressive these days.
I think you missed the gist of that someone's point. It's not the salary or the net worth of an individual that "impresses" women, but it’s the manifestations of said trappings of wealth that do the impressing.
Seriously, do most people--even after marriage--do comprehensive net worth assessments of their fuck buddies, girl friends, or spouses? I think not. So what do most people consider--especially in the 2nd and 3rd world--to be sound indicators of wealth (i.e., impressing factors): 1. Nice digs 2. Nice ride. 3. The ability to fund the fun...exotic trips, nice presents, and lavish nights out on the town.
I may even switch two with one because many more people see the ride than the crib...but you get my drift.
You spent time in NYC right? We both know that even people making 300-500k a year often live paycheck to paycheck with little disposable income...after uncle sam, uncle david, and uncle mike take their cut and the insanely priced rent or mortgage is paid, the car lease is paid, and little timmy's private school is paid there is not a whole not left.
once again, it's not the salary that's important but what that person's financial commitments are and how he or she chooses to spend their money.
I hope that I have articulated this point successfully to you.
Cheers
upper crust south american women are very assertive and not the kind of feminine escape from aws. just look at some of the brazilian models in the us. gisele bundchen is worth $30 million a year, she is an aw to the extreme. i also know for a fact that many of them go to western countries to be educated, so what you get is a mindset that is no different from that of your typical aw. i have met many nose in air brazilians in sydney, a lot of them are from rich families and migrated to oz or many are students in local universities. the rich in
latin america's elites are just as rich and actually even worse than the rich in the us. these people are generally accustomed to people bending over for them and kissing their asses. its absolutely mind blowing how the wealthy in the developing world behave. the rich in the west are still subject to certain rules and can easily be crucified in the court of public opinion. not so in latin america, asia(except japan), mideast, russia, and other places.
that is not the kind of latina you want. get someone from a more normal background.
kim kardashian is not my idea of attractive, she has the demeanor of a witch
like most middle eastern and indian women.
you are dead wrong about this my friend...
didn't half the 9/11 cabal spend time in some american institution of higher learning? either one or both of the aq high command jackals that they nabbed in pakistan (yusuf ramzi and khalid sheik mohammad) spent time in american or british universities.
i went to school with and hung out with a lot of foreigners...most of my friends in prep school and college were either jocks or foreigners..and while you can be poor or from a middle class background and get a full scholarship to andover and yale if you are smartish, (think patrick deval the gov of mass) the foreigners at these places are exclusively the product of the elite and powerful.
and what's surprised me about some of these people is the utter lack of americanization that occurs..or rather the cherry picking of it and the ability to revert back to their old ways at the drop of a hat...with these people. in fact, some of these people try harder to maintain their cultural roots and practices abroad than they do in their home countries.
you are correct, one of the remarkable things about america is that even a lowly beat cop would have the nerve to give the offspring of the most powerful man in the world a ticket for **** drinking...or a state trooper would cite the son of the nation's intelligence agency chief for dui...jenna bush and w. bush respectively...
the rich in the developing world do have carte blanche and they treat people...particularly service workers...in an appalling fashion...life is cheap in many parts of the world and they act accordingly. i think that everyone should be polite and respectful of everybody...
i don't know where you monger but i've mongered in a lot of places for a lot of years and what i've found is that hookers are unique individuals. you probably haven't gotten to really know any of them personally. i have. you can't really generalize to the extent that you do. i'd never marry a hooker (but then i'd never marry anyone) but i've gotten to know a dozen or so very, very well and i'd ask you: how are the morals of the hookers any different than the morals of we guys who are fucking them? now the "weak mind" thing, if they had more education some of them, maybe a lot of them, maybe even most of them would not be hookers. but that doesn't mean their minds are weak. it means they had less opportunity than some other people due to circumstances that are largely (but not totally) beyond their control.
unique….you surely mean uniquely exploited and abused psychologically, and likely sexually and physically as well…yeah, mate, that’s fuckin unique.
some of us may attempt to delude ourselves about the merits of employing prostitutes, but we should all be clear that we are exploiting vulnerable fellow human beings for short-term physical gratification. most people on this board happen to be born in prosperous nations that afford us a plethora of opportunities; yet, we go to places that are less prosperous and exploit their lack of prosperity to the umpth degree.
before i go any further, i will see that each girl’s experience will vary—largely depending on region of employment. in la, or sea, the women don’t seem to be trafficked, and they opt for the lifestyle from their own free well. they get up and go to work at the local bordello as opposed to the local shopping center. while this is hardly ideal, it doesn’t necessarily warrant condemnation…it’s simply a person without a lot of other means making a consciences decision to sell their body…
however, in many other parts of the world patronizing a prostitute is contributing to the dehumanization of another human being…this is a man’s world…what’s a woman really has to give? and when she sells which should only be given it’s a horrible phenomenon.
ever heard the term “breaking a hoe”? that’s what often happens to these poor girls that are trafficked. i worked in kosovo and was appalled at how the women-- that serviced nato, un, and other international agency employees--were treated. these girls were unsophisticated villagers from the balkans that were sometimes tricked into what the terms of their employment would be. these girls were kept locked up like human chattel in abhorrent conditions, and gang raped by albanian thugs until they were broken in… the ones that resisted were beaten and fucked in every which way until they had no will left.
the women in the troikas in moscow, they used to have a scar on the small of their back. do you know what it’s from? it’s from having a train run on them by their handlers for a weekend in some filthy kvartal.
do i ever talk to hooker you ask… dickhead? yes, i do. and behind the ***** façade are often tails of inhumanely treatment and misery. for 10 girls that make the big bucks in duabi, there are 2 or 3 of them that go back without a penny in their pockets as broken people. i have first hand knowledge of an arab fella that took a girl from tiraspol back to his villa, raped her for two weeks, then had his father and uncle [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) her for a week, then drove her to the dessert naked and tossed her out in the middle of nowhere on the outskirts of dubai.
can you imagine what catastrophic event must have occurred in a muslim woman’s life to be a hooker? we americans are a moralistic and religious people, but we also love the almighty dollar….many americans do shit for money that most other developed people wouldn’t. in essence, we tilt the work life balance more toward work than most other people do. so if an american is a hooker, bummer, but gotta get the benjamins.
imagine what prostitution represents to a muslim woman. it goes against the very grain of their culture and conflicts with the values that define and consume them as a people. many of the arab hookers were “dishonored” and prostitution is the only way to feed themselves. what’s dishonored mean? it means raped.
one of the most disgusting displays of inhumanity i have ever witnessed occurred in baghdad where one of my employees was kidnapped and raped…a 26 yo virgin. when she returned to work i was shocked to find that my pro-western supposedly moderate iraqi staff had ostracized her. i don’t speak a lick of arabic but i can tell the look of disdain when i see it. i’m not arab, a woman, or a [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) counselor so there wasn’t much i could do. anyway, i began to notice that’s she was the first one to work and the last one leave. odd, but one day when i went back to office at 2100 hours i found her there and it suddenly dawned on my dumb ass..she was living in the office because her parents had kicked her out of the house for being abducted and raped.
the relevancy is this. my deputy was one of those rare people that understood both the arabic and western perspective as he had spent years in europe and the states, and when i asked him about this he stated that while it was unfortunate what happened to the girl but because she had “shamed” he family by being raped the family had to distance itself from her because the family honor was the more important than the individual.
many of these islamic hookers were dishonored and cut loose by their families in a culture where family is everything.
maybe by patronizing them you are enabling their survival…but your post referenced what kind of people hookers are and not about the morality of the john.
most of these hookers are not from capital cities, they are nothing more than unsophisticated peasants who are abused and violated on a daily basis.
you know why hookers are always yapping on the phone….ever listen to their conversation?…it’s rubbish, just idleness chatter. they do this because it provides psychological distance from the act of selling one’s soul... i am not totally here as i have a lifeline via an open line of communication with somebody someplace else…it helps keep their mind off their immediate reality.
that being said, life is hobbesian: it is short, nasty, brutish, and often cruel. and in many parts of the world violence, exploitation, and poverty is the norm rather than the exception. so in retrospect, life sucks for hookers but it sucks for many others too.
i also don’t buy into the whole western feminist leftist mantra that women are trafficked against their will…go to pbs’s website and view the frontline series about moldova….what a crock of shit, that crew is getting played like a flute…most of these girls know that they will be working in the sex industry and willingly accept this; however, they are often incapable of knowing the depths of the depravity that they will encounter…or worse yet, they are aware of it but accept it because the feel they must.
asshole, i mean dickhead, you can put lipstick on this pig all you want, but the fact of the matter is that prostitution is often a vile and hyper exploitive business with a very dark undercurrent to it.
CBGBConnisur
10-13-08, 15:07
300 to 500k a year in NYC is the salary of backoffice people at Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs. The bare minimum "arrived" income in New York is about $2 million a year, which would be the income for a midlevel investment banker in NY. Manhattan is one of the few places in the world where someone who earns 200k a year is just an average Joe Schmo going nowhere.
Maybe I used the wrong word to characterize rich Latin Americans, but I met a lot of them, and they are a very nose in air bunch. I was referring to Latin American elites who are of European background. Brats of Arab oil sheikhs in the Taliban are a totally different thing. For obvious reasons, these women from SA have a lot more in common with people in the West, so they can blend in a lot better. Anyway I think I am correct that these people are used to everyone kissing their tushes and living above the law. Wealthy people in America and Western Europe are still subject to certain codes of behavior. Even our current President was arrested as a young man. So was Reagan. Do you think that would happen to some rich brat from Sao Paulo?? No way. Wealthy Asians are even more evil. I heard some Bollywood "Hero" ran over homeless people in Mumbai with his SUV, one person was killed, he had a "trial" but is free as a bird. Imagine if Arnie or Sly or Will Smith did something like that in America? They would be burned at the stake.
EEs and Latinas who spend enough time in a Western country do change quite quickly. I knew quite a few guys who married Russian and other EE and SA women and brought them home only for these women to turn on them, call the authorities and accuse them of abuse, steal their money, go to a man that is really in her league, etc.
There are heaps of Russians and EEs in NYC who work as high class prostitutes. One became Donald Trump's wife. Melania Knauss came to America totally penniless and shacked up with the Donald. She did amazingly well for an Eastern European immigrant who fled to the West. Of course I have seen many women from that part of the world of that caliber of looks and sex appeal wind up working in a European RLD or brothel. I recall this one Ukrainian lady in Germany who thought life in the West was a big disappointment, she thought it was going to be a luxury life, and she is now sucking cocks for Euros.
Getting quality lays in NYC is extremely difficult, if you can get a woman in NYC to actually look you in the eye which is a big feat considering I know just how self absorbed most of them are, you definitely have something going for you.
Going to Europe as an American does not mean much these days unless you really are well off. Joe Smith from Buttzville, New Jersey is not going to sweep a daughter of the French aristocracy off her feet. Mike Bloomberg with his gigantic fortune could get all the pussy he wants though, so could Brad Pitt and any other big celeb.
Member #4537
10-13-08, 18:27
The rich in the developing world do have carte blanche and they treat people...particularly service workers...in an appalling fashion...life is cheap in many parts of the world and they act accordingly. I think that everyone should be polite and respectful of everybody...
Reminds me of the private schools/universities here in Egypt catered for the elite/upper crust of society... the (foreign) teachers are forced to change/bump up grades for the benefit of the students who are paying ridicolous amounts to be enrolled. And guess what? We never even attend class...
Bango Cheito
10-13-08, 21:33
There is a certain amount of truth to that.b Although I'd hate to be one of those upper class fucks though, getting by just on a lucky birth and good connections instead of by dint of your own merits.
There is no doubt that exploitation exists, but like you said in your posts, it is hardly limited to prostitution.
Doc,
I still need to reply to your previous post re russian women, but as you can see from the post below, I am not the only one that thinks what I think:
No ZYCKE. It is not easier to get laid with freebies in Moldova than in your home country!
It WAS easier! But those days are long gone since the moldovan economy has become good.
Now it is like in London, Madrid or Rome.
1-You must call the girl 100 times before she accepts to meet you, because she has many other guys also waiting to meet with her!
2-You must go pick her up in a nice car (Mercedes or BMW preferably) because now, almost any moldovan guy owns one and she has become used to it!
3-You must take her to a very nice, expensive restaurant or club (the girls are have become very choosy and refuse to go to regular bistros or cafe-bars)
4-You must NOT dare to ask her to come to your flat the first 3 dates or she will think that you want her only for sex and she will not answer your calls anymore!
5-You must NOT wear conservative clothes or she will think that you dress like her dad, therefore you must be old! And to be seen with an older man is very BAD. Her girlfriends who see her in the street with you will criticize her!
6-You must NOT have a roommate or she will think that you are poor because you can't afford to live by yourself in your appartment!
7-Since you are a foreigner, your appartment HAS to be located in the center of the city! Any foreigner who doesnt live in the center must not be rich, therefore NOT WORTH dating!
8-When you take her to a club, she will drop you like a pancake if you dare take her to the bar for drinks! You MUST buy a table (500 lei minimum) so the princess can sit her ass in confort!
9-If you want her to communicate with you, you MUST buy her a mobile phone card (400 lei minimum) because she gets tired of beeping you first and waiting for you to call her back!
10-You MUST accept to wait a long period of time before getting laid (minimum 7 dates) bacause all her previous moldovan boyfriends waited even longer than that. And it would prove that you really care about her and don't want her as a SEX object. And thatYou will eventually SPONSOR her and maybe marry her (so she can spend all day doing nothing but spend your money shopping and manicuring) Get ready for HUGE dissappointment if you come to Moldova for easy-to-get sex from regular women!
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Also, the main fact which causes us to differ on our assesments is that you are operating in Moscow and I am operating in the much poorer FSU...Russian girls from Agshbat are not the same as Russian girls from Msocow.
Rubber Nursey
10-17-08, 11:51
Dirk Dingy: You are so, soooo wrong.
Do you know the most dehumanising and degrading thing about being a hooker? Hearing people like yourself say the things you just said.
"…this is a man’s world…what’s a woman really has to give? And when she sells which should only be given it’s a horrible phenomenon."
This statement says more about your attitude towards women in general than it does about the 'plight' of sex workers.
Dirk Dingy: You are so, soooo wrong.
Do you know the most dehumanising and degrading thing about being a hooker? Hearing people like yourself say the things you just said.
"…this is a man’s world…what’s a woman really has to give? And when she sells which should only be given it’s a horrible phenomenon."
This statement says more about your attitude towards women in general than it does about the 'plight' of sex workers.
RN I am sorry I don’t agree with Dirk on many things we have butted heads more than once but in some aspects of his statement he is right. When a pretty girl with a decent job gets with a man who is well-off what does she bring....her looks will fade money can last a life time....
What can a women offer a man?
Most relationships between a man and women almost always benefit the women if it is long term. Sorry RN. If you got something prove me wrong….
-Beauty Is In The Eye Of The Beer Holder.
-The girl I had last night sure cant wrestle, but you should see her box!
-A woman's mind is cleaner than a man's - That's because she changes it more often.
-Women should have labels on their foreheads saying, 'Government Health Warning: Women can
seriously damage your brains, genitals, bank account, confidence, and good standing among your
friends.
-Love is the delusion that one woman differs from another.
-99 percent of bar girls give the rest a bad name.
-Girls go to heaven, bad girls go everywhere.
-Youv'e been a bad girl, go straight to my room!
-A Nymphomaniac is a women as obsessed with sex as the average man.
-Women should be obscene and not heard.
-I believe that sex is a beautiful thing between two people. Between five, it's fantastic!
-The big difference between sex for money and sex for free is more expensive.
Dirk Dingy: You are so, soooo wrong.
Do you know the most dehumanising and degrading thing about being a hooker? Hearing people like yourself say the things you just said.
"…this is a man’s world…what’s a woman really has to give? And when she sells which should only be given it’s a horrible phenomenon."
This statement says more about your attitude towards women in general than it does about the 'plight' of sex workers.
RN, I am not exactly sure what you are controverting in my post. Frankly, I don’t know what you could. Whatever valid arguments that I make, I would suspect that they would not persuade you even if the Socrates himself possessed my hand as it grazes the keyboard.
The overarching them of the vast majority of my posts in this forum is: When Americans go running abroad in search of easy and cheap pussy it changes the man for the worse if he engages in this type of behavior long enough. Of secondary import (to the audience here), is that the sex worker is more often than not abused and that she will possibly incur long reaching psychological damage as a result of her work.
Now, you will undoubtedly spew something to the effect that you were never abused by a pimp, never taken advantage of due to your line of work, made damn good money while prostituting. If you’re smart, which you may be, you will say that you were empowered and the sway that you hold over men was unique and liberating…if you are well read you will cite some historical example of some Victorian era courtesan that held influence over some powerful men of the day.
Maybe, but you must ask yourself is this the average life of an average prostitute. Most hookers in the west do so because they are substance abusers; the few that don’t have really bad financial situations—like they are bout to be homeless with a two kids with a dad nowhere in the picture. The High Class..Eliott Spitz type… call girls are not the model of stability that they often purport themselves to be…they normally are broke, lie about their education, and have had some bad times.
That’s life I guess. As Eliot Spitz demanded that his girl didn’t use a condom, I suppose that’s just a potential job hazard like a guy on a factory line that can get his hand severed if he isn’t as attentive to the machine as he should be.
You’ve never had a crazy customer before? Mybe not in Australia if they come to your “office.” But many of the sex workers that I talk to have had their share of Crazy Charlies
But answer this RN, I respect you for providing for your children, but we all need a stable loving relationship…it’s part of Maslow’s heirarachy of needs…when was the last time that you had a decent loving partner? Let’s be honest, no man worth a damn will have a monogamous serious relationship with a hooker or a former prostitute. You may have a nice fuck buddy—which can be a short-term fix—but you as a mother wouldn’t want you son to be with a hooker. Fair, maybe not, but it’s the way our culture is.
Some of these guys on this board are more fucked up than I am and are obviously very lonely, have been burned badly, have other issues, many of them are not looking for sex, but are looking to buy intimacy….that’s some thing that can never be bought.
Moreover, what is undebatable is that the women who are trafficked—weather with their acequiaenasnce or not—are often put in undesirable situations.
This fact is what troubles my conscience—that I am contributing to the naked exploitation and abuse of women by using prostitutes. I have little qualms with prostitution that does not involve trafficking or imprisonment of the sex worker; however, I do believe that men have less respect for women, inter alia, who frequently patronize prostitutes.
Wanderer1000
10-19-08, 22:32
"I'm fucking drunk."
That's the only part I understood. Can you elaborate when you're not drunk?
There are a lot of Asian countries - give us a breakdown by country.
OK..Guys....I'm fucking drunk....and its enough of this fucking rant on lovely american women...and what ever you bloody think about American WOMEN....Especially BLONDE WOMEN...
YOU KNOW WHAT WE>>ASIAN GUYS FUCKING LOVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
AMERICAN WOMEN..YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
WE FUCCCCKING LOVEEEEE AMERICAN WOMEN..
SOOOOOO....you american guys keeep on hating american women...asian guys willl alllllways love them,
over and out or WHAT EVER..or what that WHAT EVER FUCKING MEANSS EVER :DHey BornLoser
Speak for yourself. I'm an American born Asian and my opinion on American Women is that they are a bunch of greedy, uggggly, smelly bunch of BBW.
Sober up and start thinking straight. Okay.
I just got off a United Airline transcontinental flight, remember the days of the hot pants PSA stewardess? The stewardess on the flight were supersize BBW. After a six hour flight, I need to put some eye drop into my eyes, watching them go up and down the aisle makes me sick. I was sitting in business class, when the stewardess was bending over delivering some food to the passenger on the other side of me, her fat ass butt came within millimeter of my face. I almost pass out from her disgusting body odor. She thought she was cute by calling all the male passenger "sweetie and honey". For a gal like her, to take her out for dinner, the guy needs to take her out to a 'all you can eat' buffet. If not, he will be broke trying to keep that heifer stuff.
Now sober up before the wifey gets back.
The overarching them of the vast majority of my posts in this forum is: When Americans go running abroad in search of easy and cheap pussy it changes the man for the worse if he engages in this type of behavior long enough. Of secondary frequently patronize prostitutes.
I can testify. The more I monger the more I see having a women around long term as being counter-productive. The bitching the complaining. The request for money. Before I started mongering I didn’t feel that way.
Another thing on this statement I still say women are the same my GF now is Japanese bred Filipina and she is starting to display the same characteristics as my ex-Hispanic wife back in the states. I said once I am saying it again WOMEN ARE THE SAME no matter the country.
But answer this RN, I respect you for providing for your children, but we all need a stable loving relationship…it’s part of Maslow’s heirarachy of needs…when was the last time that you had a decent loving partner? Let’s be honest, no man worth a damn will have a monogamous serious relationship with a hooker or a former prostitute. You may have a nice fuck buddy—which can be a short-term fix—but you as a mother wouldn’t want you son to be with a hooker. Fair, maybe not, but it’s the way our culture is.
Not Life Or Death:
Do we need a loving relationship or has society told us this is what we need will you die if you didn’t have one? My life would be a lot easier if I didn’t have a GF.
I don’t think you know who you are talking to Dirk. This is the same woman who said she would be OK with her daughter being a prostitute...
I am going to get me some of that.
I can testify. The more I monger the more I see having a women around long term as being counter-productive. The bitching the complaining. The request for money. Before I started mongering I didn’t feel that way.
Another thing on this statement I still say women are the same my GF now is Japanese bred Filipina and she is starting to display the same characteristics as my ex-Hispanic wife back in the states. I said once I am saying it again WOMEN ARE THE SAME no matter the country.
I don’t think you know who you are talking to Dirk. This is the same woman who said she would be OK with her daughter being a prostitute...I have never had an AW ask me for money. Only 2nd and 3rd world women do this.
That's why I don't like dating poor girls from poor countries.
If RN says its kosher for her daughter to be a prostitute then she is sick and not persuadable by any logic that I subscribe to...i guess it's all about opportunities though.
DJ FourMoney
10-21-08, 20:34
Big Daddy, I just can't quite see it like you do.
I have always been in a position of power in a relationship, somewhere in the area of 70-30. I take it as far as I wanna take it. I could have been married at least twice.
What stopped me was the feeling I could improve my situation.
Its been just about 10 years since my last long term relationship and since then its been filled mainly with disappointment after disappointment.
I've traveled up and down the state, out of state and now out of the country just to be let down or take the wrong direction.
When I should have taken a risk, I keep the sure thing and wasn't happy.
When I should have taken the sure thing, decided on "risky" it blew up in my face.
The conclusion I have come too is that at my age (late 30's), is a hindrance to my ultimate goal to date in America. The shit just doesn't work! Sure I can find childless women over 30, but the risk outweighs the reward in my book.
I have counted it up, not day to day; but basically have spent less than a month total with a woman in 10 years. So I can say yes I could LIVE without an LTR if that is what I wanted.
I guess I don't have to be married, but for example EE women aren't comfortable with that if you're with them long term. Now many ISG EE vets practice multiple partner relationships and since they don't live in Russia, Ukraine, etc long term it keeps relationships fresh and doesn't get dragged down with day to day stuff that you seem to dread.
For me, I can't afford to travel that often nor do I want to put money into the weakening American P4P market or make frequent trips to Canada or Mexico, it just doesn't make much sense to me.
So what are my options?
While Marriage might not be ideal for you and you've been sold some "Wolf Tickets" you're calling might be the incurable bachelor and honestly who has a problem with that these days?
Maybe your mother???
CBGBConnisur
10-30-08, 00:43
There was once a time when I would not consider anything but an American woman, those days are long gone.
CBGBConnisur
10-30-08, 03:59
I have never had an AW ask me for money. Only 2nd and 3rd world women do this.
That's why I don't like dating poor girls from poor countries.
If RN says its kosher for her daughter to be a prostitute then she is sick and not persuadable by any logic that I subscribe to...i guess it's all about opportunities though.
Got it right my friend, she is sick. As are most women born and raised in Australia. The migrant women make up for this to a very large degree.
Big Daddy, I just can't quite see it like you do.
I have always been in a position of power in a relationship, somewhere in the area of 70-30. I take it as far as I wanna take it. I could have been married at least twice.
What stopped me was the feeling I could improve my situation.
What do you mean by a position of power? Relationships especially with an American woman are supposed to be 50/50. Unless you found some American women who were blind, deaf and dumb. I see guys in Asia all time in a position of "power" only because their spouse is economically dependent on them...an independent woman is not going to put up with bullshit. If you don't fly right she will deep six your ass.
You said that you left your last girl because you felt you could find something more attractive... and now you want something damn near 10 years younger then you. Too each his own but all women youth/beauty will wane and so will yours. I guess to you it matters not what’s in her head and in her heart.
Its been just about 10 years since my last long term relationship and since then its been filled mainly with disappointment after disappointment.
So going overseas you think will solve this? I have told you the common denominator with women overseas is either money or a visa. Especially dealing with the second and the third world. I have had more exposure to Filipinas more then any other ethic group when it comes to dating and the ones that have money they are no different then their American counterparts. I really don't have experience with a lot of European women but I have worked around a lot of Bosnians and central Europeans and they are more the same as what I describe. The ones without money will fuck just about anything. The ones with are just as bitchy and dismissive. Like I keep yelling. WOMEN ARE THE SAME
I've traveled up and down the state, out of state and now out of the country just to be let down or take the wrong direction
When I should have taken a risk, I keep the sure thing and wasn't happy.
When I should have taken the sure thing, decided on "risky" it blew up in my face.
The conclusion I have come too is that at my age (late 30's), is a hindrance to my ultimate goal to date in America. The shit just doesn't work! Sure I can find childless women over 30, but the risk outweighs the reward in my book.
Man what is it that you are looking for? A EE women even educated would have to jump through hoops to get credentials accredited in America. In the mean time you would have to take care of her. Are you ready for that?
.... etc long term it keeps relationships fresh and doesn't get dragged down with day to day stuff that you seem to dread.
For me, I can't afford to travel that often nor do I want to put money into the weakening American P4P market or make frequent trips to Canada or Mexico, it just doesn't make much sense to me.
So what are my options?
Bruh I like having my freedom. I like being able to go where I want and do what I want to do. If you in LTR this is difficult. My ole lady if she was an American no way would I be able to live the life I live...
P4P is not the answer long term. I have been mongering 3 1/2 years straight and I getting tired of it. Not tired of women just tired of the P4P scene. As men we are hunters what good is the hunt if you pay your prey to lay down and die?
While Marriage might not be ideal for you and you've been sold some "Wolf Tickets" you're calling might be the incurable bachelor and honestly who has a problem with that these days?
Maybe your mother???
Marriage is not ideal for anyone. Most of the guys on here talking how much they love their wife but you catch them at massage parlors in Thailand and other shit. Some the most hardcore mongers on this site are married. I don't think mongering was anywhere in those marriage vows.
Also DJ what are you doing on this website if you are looking for marriage?
This is a site for guys looking to find women for sex.
Daddy, I agree pretty much with most of what you wrote to DJ, except:
the ones without money will fuck just about anything. The ones with are just as bitchy and dismissive. Like I keep yelling. WOMEN ARE THE SAME
I personally know: at least one Moscow chick, a Colombian, a Ukrainian, all with money, very good-looking, with good jobs or businesses. One of them is my GF, one is a former lover, and one is just a friend for now. Although she's given me a hint to visit her.
They got not much in common with American girls. Even though they are not poor at all, they are not bitchy at all. All very nice, classy, polite, listening, kind, horny, etc.. They do not give a crap about USA, never wanted to come there. So it's not really about money, it's not that simple.
At the same time I have seen tons of Russian chicks with no money, but in the USA, who are probably worst bitches than many AWs! Only the fact that a Russian(or whatever) chick got into the USA makes her a ***** in many cases. She does not need money for that(to be a *****). That's a fact. It's something like an unspoken rule. Once you got into the USA, now you're a *****, including ugly ones.
Anyway "WOMEN ARE THE SAME", yes that's kinda true. But in the same sense I would say that "MAN ARE THE SAME". You are the same as a criminal guy in prison, right? It just happened that you got a job, education, good parents who taught you to work, otherwise you are no different from the guy who killed and robbed somebody. The same I believe for women. Depending on the circumstances(where they are from, where they live, etc..) they behave differently and it's up to men to put women in such environment (or select from) so women behave the way we like.
Who said that 50/50 relationship is correct? it's just a nice theory in a perfect world. in the USA I've seen many 20/80 dominated by women.
So I think you just wanna do whatever you want. If you do not like it, get divorce (I did once:) Only do not forget about a prenup and have fun.
DJ FourMoney
10-31-08, 10:25
This site is about finding women for sex, foremost, ask Jackson...
If you agree P4P is not the answer long term (and I agree), then the other extreme is marriage right (or a very long term relationship)? There are plenty of couples in America (I assume elsewhere as well) that have been together for years and never married, but might as well have. They have kids together, cars, homes and other things in shared accounts, I mean what's the difference then???
I only say the END result should be marriage, what I do between that is of little importance to the overall goal(s). I keep having to repeat myself... I don't like the 30 and older selection I am forced to deal with in America, or have you forgotten most Western women don't like to date men with more than a 5-7 year age difference? Sure you can find one or two women that don't mind age gaps of 8-10 years, but its generally rare.
10 years my Jr is only 28 years old, not a spring chicken, but it seems many EE's are comfortable with 10-12 year splits which extending into mid 20's. I was talking to a girl recently that was 23 and she knew how old I as was and didn't mention it once.... She's from Cremeria (sp?) area of the Ukraine.
I haven't spent that much time on Eastern Europe, but with little time I have spent talking to women from there and visiting last summer, I'm doing fairly well considering many feel I would have a problem since I am Black, others have said, "that just ain't the case, don't worry about it.." so I haven't...
How things change overseas? How about I'm perceived as a Man first, American Second and Black third. I like how they THINK! This goes a long way from the typical thinking of an AW and frankly it effects all forms of the through process.
Going overseas for many people is not a "Silver Bullet", I'm not looking for that type of solution to my "social" problem. Finding a woman under 30 without children for one thing is next to impossible in America.
I currently don't have any prospects in Europe, I have a plan but I think I just pushed it back to the Fall of 2009. Brazil, something that's been in the back of my mind for awhile, is currently dominating the radar and I'm 90% sure that's where I will be going Spring of 2009.
The $100US a day rule seems more than possible down there so, that's where this web site comes in handy....
That's why I'm here!
This site is about finding women for sex, foremost, ask Jackson...
That's why I'm here!
OK.
Gentlemen,
The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.
Let's get back to the subject.
Thank You,
Jackson
A great response man good luck on you trip to Brazil. I was going to go down there but then I thought about it. I am just getting tired of *****s. I guess you can say I had an epiphany when I was in Thailand couple of weeks ago. Here I am in GO-GO with Armani and a Platinum necklace on. Surrounded by bar girls. This guy comes in who looked like he swallowed free willy. I am thinking to myself I am young, in shape, got money what the fuck am I doing here?
Naked Gunz
11-01-08, 06:55
I thought all the OTHER forums were to exchange info to find women for sex, and this particular forum was for the exchange (vent)of information on how the CUNTS in this country are ruining the lives of the good old American male...IE, divorce proceedings, denying visitation, using pussy as a tool, marriage replacing lotto, ect.
YA Know, typical male/female relationships in America!
I've seen about five-hundred posts that have had just that theme Mr. J.
Why wait so long to reign us in? Isn't the USA site dedicated to finding American women? I know how to do that:
Use crack/crank as a tool to get 1-3's
Lower my standards to get 4-5's.
Get in shape to get 5-7's
Turn to crime to get the money for 8-10's
Ciao
Naked Gunz
11-01-08, 07:12
OK.
A great response man good luck on you trip to Brazil. I was going to go down there but then I thought about it. I am just getting tired of *****s. I guess you can say I had an epiphany when I was in Thailand couple of weeks ago. Here I am in GO-GO with Armani and a Platinum necklace on. Surrounded by bar girls. This guy comes in who looked like he swallowed free willy. I am thinking to myself I am young, in shape, got money what the fuck am I doing here?
Your all off topic. THIS forum is American women. You reference Brazil, Thailand and bragging about your $$?? Jeez, surprised u didnt tell us ur cock size!
Jeez, surprised u didnt tell us ur cock size!
Wouldn't you like to know :D Man I was just making a point the p4p paying for pussy shit is wearing thin with me and how I came to this point and how I wish my man all the best in Brazil.
Just so I am not off topic again. Guys their are lot of American women who are fuckable just have to apply yourself...
DJ FourMoney
11-04-08, 07:23
I thought all the OTHER forums were to exchange info to find women for sex, and this particular forum was for the exchange (vent)of information on how the CUNTS in this country are ruining the lives of the good old American male...IE, divorce proceedings, denying visitation, using pussy as a tool, marriage replacing lotto, ect.
YA Know, typical male/female relationships in America!
I've seen about five-hundred posts that have had just that theme Mr. J.
Why wait so long to reign us in? Isn't the USA site dedicated to finding American women? I know how to do that:
Use crack/crank as a tool to get 1-3's
Lower my standards to get 4-5's.
Get in shape to get 5-7's
Turn to crime to get the money for 8-10's
Ciao
NG you tell the truth....
Daddy to get laid on a regular basis is based on about 50% skill and 50% what Naked just mentioned..
Lower my standards to get 4-5's = Been there done that, had to quit
Get into (better) shape (I ain't fat!) to get well, select 7's and 8's, not worth the effort IMHO
Turn to Crime to get 8-9's, the last thing a Black man needs to do in America is turn to a life of crime... Nope, no way.
I can get laid in America, its not hard. But for me it means fucking 5's and 6's and I'm tired of that. I'm not a white collar/office guy, sports figure, music artist or thug/criminal and in Los Angeles, being Joe Blow normal blue collar/Service Sector worker just doens't go over very well...
To get more play I have to go where the local talent is in the same boat which means you're playing on a level field when it comes to getting 7's and 8's, but I don't wanna move to rual Ohio for example or how about this tiny town in Northern Texas where if I lived there, I could have been banging a barely 18 year old cute blonde at the local truck stop when I was driving.
I shouldn't have to change locations within my own country to get laid more by better talent.
Yuck
CBGBConnisur
11-05-08, 15:16
I noticed since now Obama is prez, attitudes towards Americans overseas are starting to thaw once again. So now there is a window of opportunity to use that diplomatic currency for ass.
I noticed since now Obama is prez, attitudes towards Americans overseas are starting to thaw once again. So now there is a window of opportunity to use that diplomatic currency for ass.
i used to live in a town (briefly) where if the pro football team won the girls would get drunk, party, and fuck;if the team lost, they would be in a dour mood and lock the snatch down.
CBGBConnisur
11-05-08, 16:21
Michelle Obama is a fine example for women everywhere, she stood by her man, unlike Hilary who used her marriage to Bill for career gains, she is for real. Lucky guy.
DJ FourMoney
11-06-08, 03:25
Michelle Obama is a fine example for women everywhere, she stood by her man, unlike Hilary who used her marriage to Bill for career gains, she is for real. Lucky guy.
Michelle will play a pivotal in social and culture policy.... That's where her South Side of Chicago upbringing will finally bring some SOCIAL justice around here.
CBGBConnisur
11-06-08, 16:44
I think most modern white women are just simply poison and do not have any idea why the global media pursues the image of the white female as ideal. Paris Hilton and her ilk are trash. Good for a short term roll in the hay but they will never support their man, ever. I know lots of people who have been burned badly.
DJ FourMoney
11-08-08, 10:09
I think most modern white women are just simply poison and do not have any idea why the global media pursues the image of the white female as ideal. Paris Hilton and her ilk are trash. Good for a short term roll in the hay but they will never support their man, ever. I know lots of people who have been burned badly.
Its the image of tall/medium height blond, light-eyed woman that is "world imagine" of Western Culture. But the US media likes to follow any story about an attractive White Woman. When Black/Latino (unless of Spanish decent) or Asian Women (even attractive ones) go missing, its gets a blip on your local news cast but she could go missing for weeks and never end up on any national news cast.
From "The Missing Bride" to Natalie Holloway that is simply Institutional Racism by the US media putting more importance on Caucasians than Minorities.
Only time Minorities are involved nationally when its senationalized like the murder of Jennifer Hudson's brother, nephew and mother by some run of the mill thug her sister was dumb enough to marry (because he was "exciting" I'm sure...)
Blonds have short shelf lives I have noticed. Because of their lighter skin tone and light hair, along with using tanning beds and so-on their skin never seems to be that smooth later in life (mid 30's and later). Seems the best relationships come from Brunettes and I'm not sure WHY that is.
US women are on the bottom of the list, if you have to have a North American based woman, I still say small town USA and then Canada in that order...
The Internet is overrun with confused men, not Alpha Male types and their struggles with dating, its just too much to take and I can't read it very long before I wanna pull my hair out.
Because Prostitution is legal or tolerated in Europe and South America, the "good" girls know they can't use sex as weapon or you'll just go to the FKK, Terma or Internet to find your "fix".
The US as totally unfavorable conditions....despite the Millions of attractive women here.
Because Prostitution is legal or tolerated in Europe and South America, the "good" girls know they can't use sex as weapon or you'll just go to the FKK, Terma or Internet to find your "fix".
Brilliant!
And to make it worse in USA women do not even need to use sex as a weapon, they can get all they want without sex, since the men are so dumb and do not have any choice. The simplest example are strip clubs, but it's pretty much the same BS everywhere else.
BTW, DJ, I've been following this thread for a few months. I'm wondering, have you done anything except reading all the advice from others here? Have you traveled anywhere during this "discussion"?
I think the best advice here is not to bring a women to the USA;)
Still I would suggest not to rely too much on advice of others, everybody has it's own opinion and experiences. Do whatever you want and like. For example if I'm gonna get married and have family and kids, it's gonna be young virgin girl, and I don't give a shit what others think or suggest. There are still countries where you can find traditional family-oriented girls. Of course you do not wanna change their environment by bringing them to the USA.
One week ago I was disappointed one more time by the women in USA.
There is one good-looking girl, 21 y.o. She told me she works as a secretary. later I find out that she gets fucked by my friend everyday, while his GF(who is also her sister!) at work. and this hot chic's work is working in porn movies! This innocent looking girl gets fucked by a bunch of people almost everyday(without condoms), but she pretends to be a good girl.
I know another example, one girl was a **** in my university. Especially she liked black guys;) while keeping some white desperate white BF on the side for gifts and flowers;) Now she's married to a very decent guy, nice and successful. and she's not even good-looking, I'd say really ugly for my standards. Something must be wrong here.
So for me would be crazy to have a family with some chick, and later to find out she was a **** or worked in porn. Like I picked up some used garbage nobody else wants. If I wanna have a family I'm getting a girl from a good clean place. It's just my opinion. BTW Europe is not good for this either. Of course it's much better than USA, but it's basically similar story.
DJ FourMoney
11-10-08, 05:44
Brilliant!
And to make it worse in USA women do not even need to use sex as a weapon, they can get all they want without sex, since the men are so dumb and do not have any choice. The simplest example are strip clubs, but it's pretty much the same BS everywhere else.
BTW, DJ, I've been following this thread for a few months. I'm wondering, have you done anything except reading all the advice from others here? Have you traveled anywhere during this "discussion"?
I think the best advice here is not to bring a women to the USA;)
Still I would suggest not to rely too much on advice of others, everybody has it's own opinion and experiences. Do whatever you want and like. For example if I'm gonna get married and have family and kids, it's gonna be young virgin girl, and I don't give a shit what others think or suggest. There are still countries where you can find traditional family-oriented girls. Of course you do not wanna change their environment by bringing them to the USA.
One week ago I was disappointed one more time by the women in USA.
There is one good-looking girl, 21 y.o. She told me she works as a secretary. later I find out that she gets fucked by my friend everyday, while his GF(who is also her sister!) at work. and this hot chic's work is working in porn movies! This innocent looking girl gets fucked by a bunch of people almost everyday(without condoms), but she pretends to be a good girl.
I know another example, one girl was a **** in my university. Especially she liked black guys;) while keeping some white desperate white BF on the side for gifts and flowers;) Now she's married to a very decent guy, nice and successful. and she's not even good-looking, I'd say really ugly for my standards. Something must be wrong here.
So for me would be crazy to have a family with some chick, and later to find out she was a **** or worked in porn. Like I picked up some used garbage nobody else wants. If I wanna have a family I'm getting a girl from a good clean place. It's just my opinion. BTW Europe is not good for this either. Of course it's much better than USA, but it's basically similar story.
Following what? I've been to Ukraine, Germany. Norway, Sweden, UK, Belgium and The Netherlands but not since June of 2007. I have been working and trying to keep my head above water since the REAL economy started to tank.
So you haven't followed my postings THAT closely - :)
I agree with what your saying but its not quite like saying I rather have the Cancer than AIDS in regards to your feelings about bringing your foreign "prize" back to America or just dating American women.
In other news -
Reversal of Roles????
I recently tried to make a connection with a Finnish woman and while talking we got into the reasons why I am single and of course it set off a firestorm of opinions, not when we speak on Yahoo but in a forum of European Women and Black Men (mostly Americans, a few Brits and a couple of Africans).
The title of the thread is - "Are American Women Intimidated By European Women"
Of course I said "Some are" and the reasons WHY...
She claims that my desire to only date attractive women (on the ISG scale that would be 7-8 out of 10) is woefully immature, a mindset shared by teenagers and that I am pushing aside the mental aspects of a relationship, you know the "connection".
She claimed I am looking for a "shiny wrapper" to do my Slave work at home.
:O
Isn't this a common argument by American women, specifically aimed at Eastern European women; mostly since many Western men talk glowingly about how well their homes are kept and that dinner is ready when you get home, etc, etc (if she's a homemaker)?
I find this line of thinking quite Odd and somewhat shocking for another European women to take direct aim at her own, assuming that most Western Europeans would fall for that nonsense anyway or that I'm some grand illusionist and pull the wool over the eyes of any woman I come into contact with umm with my honest intentions???
Well anyway, I think its quite funny and I needed a challenge this month.
Bango Cheito
11-10-08, 07:59
Here in Bogota, if you meet a hot chick at a bar and you hit it off and want to have sex, assuming you are living here, you probably won't want to bring her back to your place, for many reasons. She probably won't want to go to her place either, many reasons. People here tend to live with lots of family members, even extended family in the same apartment, among many other reasons.
So you have to do a short-stay hotel or motel. If you are midtown (Chapinero) or uptown (which you probably would be) you can get a place for maybe 60k pesos for 12 hours.
You could also just go to any of the *****houses in Chapinero, there are probably 2-3 per BLOCK on average, and pay 30k or even less for a girl that probably looks just as good as the one you picked up! Condom included!
DJ FourMoney
11-14-08, 11:29
Here in Bogota, if you meet a hot chick at a bar and you hit it off and want to have sex, assuming you are living here, you probably won't want to bring her back to your place, for many reasons. She probably won't want to go to her place either, many reasons. People here tend to live with lots of family members, even extended family in the same apartment, among many other reasons.
So you have to do a short-stay hotel or motel. If you are midtown (Chapinero) or uptown (which you probably would be) you can get a place for maybe 60k pesos for 12 hours.
You could also just go to any of the *****houses in Chapinero, there are probably 2-3 per BLOCK on average, and pay 30k or even less for a girl that probably looks just as good as the one you picked up! Condom included!
I kinda lost to here man....
In other news -
I was watching Al-Jazerra English on Link TV and they are doing a series of shows on Muslims in America.
Some Houston area White socialite who is actually a pretty attractive Photographer used to take pictures of the local club scene and the social elite in Houston. Well the more she came to know them, the more she became like them and felt it was most important to look good at all times (Yah!)
But she became dissolution with being a "Pretty Photographer" and thought there was more to life (booo!) and became a Muslim, okay. But she's an orthodox Muslim, meaning she's fully covered now (Awww man!) here's the link - http://www.linktv.org/programs/witness_islam2
What else can I say, its a major lost for the rest of us I guess. I also heard more Latinas are joining because they find respect which is fine, but you should have been able to find respect in your dayum self first before turning to a religion...
Reminiscent Moments:
Up late the other night chatting with my LTR on YM while making my Pesos in Kabul an old Army buddy popped up on the internet. He was full of tells of woe. Telling how he was still in the Army struggling to make ends meet. How he had been to Iraq three times already. Then we got into relationships as most conversations now and days lead. He asked what happened to my ex. I told him… time happened. Then we got to talking about his new wife. He met her 4 months after I had last seen him in Jan 05 right before I got my Gov-job.
Settling:
He told how she was bad with money how she would always push his buttons then try to calm him down when she knew he was now at that moment beyond doubt upset. This is called playing with emotions my ex-American wife was an expert... He asked her to seek professional psychiatric treatment she refused. She is very combative, has self esteem issues. He said he was at wit’s end was contemplating divorce.
The Lady In Question:
I sent my most recent pics me and my ole lady hanging out in Thailand and then he sent me his. To say that this lady was not attractive by no means is an understatement. I was shocked and horrified at what I saw. I am no Denzel Washington but I just couldn’t believe he had settled on this. But then he hit me. He is in America where pretty women are choosy. So this is what he settled on. I now see why so many guys in Pattaya take the plunge off their condo balconies when their funds dry up and they have no choice but to return back to whatever western caldron they hail from.
DJ FourMoney
11-17-08, 08:43
Reminiscent Moments:
Up late the other night chatting with my LTR on YM while making my Pesos in Kabul an old Army buddy popped up on the internet. He was full of tells of woe. Telling how he was still in the Army struggling to make ends meet. How he had been to Iraq three times already. Then we got into relationships as most conversations now and days lead. He asked what happened to my ex. I told him… time happened. Then we got to talking about his new wife. He met her 4 months after I had last seen him in Jan 05 right before I got my Gov-job.
Settling:
He told how she was bad with money how she would always push his buttons then try to calm him down when she knew he was now at that moment beyond doubt upset. This is called playing with emotions my ex-American wife was an expert... He asked her to seek professional psychiatric treatment she refused. She is very combative, has self esteem issues. He said he was at wit’s end was contemplating divorce.
The Lady In Question:
I sent my most recent pics me and my ole lady hanging out in Thailand and then he sent me his. To say that this lady was not attractive by no means is an understatement. I was shocked and horrified at what I saw. I am no Denzel Washington but I just couldn’t believe he had settled on this. But then he hit me. He is in America where pretty women are choosy. So this is what he settled on. I now see why so many guys in Pattaya take the plunge off their condo balconies when their funds dry up and they have no choice but to return back to whatever western caldron they hail from.
Every now and then I think what would happen if I settled and then I come to my senses.
Interesting story and a typical one in America and for our Military frankly...
As I keep saying I forced to date women around my age locally and recently a ex-pat Aussie settled into the Los Angeles area. She lives about 15 mins from my front door. She is sligtly overweight, some what average looking but I need some "attention". Being without sex since I returned from Europe last year has me setting this up. She contacted me, not the other way around. In fact I rarely contact women directly.
I think we'll go to the LA Auto Show next weekend and see what goes from there.
I just wish she was about 9 years younger and rougly 50lbs pounds lighter...
I also got the attention of a 30 yr old German who is in the middle of divorcing her second husband. She's from a very small village right in the middle of Berlin to the South, Szczecin to the East and Hamburg to the West, and loves Africa (Not sure what the draw is for European Women to Africa...)
She's currently in DC getting her shiet straight, I have thought about flying out to DC to see what crackin.
She's basically "average", just thin, no ass and no titties really from what I can tell.
Just another day....
I don't know what to think of this...The US is sinking fast...
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=10790520&ch=4226720&src=news
I don't know what to think of this...The US is sinking fast...
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=10790520&ch=4226720&src=newsInteresting video clip. I have been to the Mustang Ranch many moons ago, it amazed me, but then I did not see much of the world. After going to Dongguan in China, it makes the Mustang Ranch like little league.
At most they have a twenty girl line up. In some of the places in Asia the line up is in excess of a few hundred. What a difference. The quality of the merchandise is so much better in Asia. Worlds apart, including cost.
I don't know what to think of this...The US is sinking fast...
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=10790520&ch=4226720&src=news
I do not think it's really sinking. It's getting into a "normal", more natural shape. There are too many useless and/or overpaid jobs in the USA, for example in banking and auto industry. Too many people are doing useless work while getting paid. So this market correction is a good thing.
If a fired woman chooses to work in a ***** house instead of accepting a low paying job, that's perfectly fine. That's how it should be, that's how it is everywhere else in the world. USA should stop it's bullshit about "high moral values" etc.. since as we see now once fired an American woman does not mind becoming a prostitute. If they legalize prostitution in every state, USA might become a relatively decent and truly "free" place.
I now see why so many guys in Pattaya take the plunge off their condo balconies when their funds dry up and they have no choice but to return back to whatever western caldron they hail from.
http://www.pattayadailynews.com/shownews.php?IDNEWS=0000007846
....The thought of returning to the USA was just too much for this cat...:(
http://www.pattayadailynews.com/shownews.php?IDNEWS=0000007846
....The thought of returning to the USA was just too much for this cat...:(
But some americans chose less tragic solutions to cope with the economic crisis:
http://www.pattayadailynews.com/shownews.php?IDNEWS=0000007677
Chocha Monger
11-26-08, 12:15
I think the best advice here is not to bring a women to the USA;)
Still I would suggest not to rely too much on advice of others, everybody has it's own opinion and experiences. Do whatever you want and like. For example if I'm gonna get married and have family and kids, it's gonna be young virgin girl, and I don't give a shit what others think or suggest. There are still countries where you can find traditional family-oriented girls. Of course you do not wanna change their environment by bringing them to the USA...
So for me would be crazy to have a family with some chick, and later to find out she was a **** or worked in porn. Like I picked up some used garbage nobody else wants. If I wanna have a family I'm getting a girl from a good clean place. It's just my opinion. BTW Europe is not good for this either. Of course it's much better than USA, but it's basically similar story.
Well, one can't really argue with that line of thinking. Of course, the older a woman is the more sexual relationships she is likely to have had. When you add kids and the emotional trauma from all those failed relationships it makes marriage even more difficult than it is already. Hence a lot of men prefer to start a marriage with someone who has as little history as possible. Anyway, in the US a background investigation of a prospective bride should be a matter of course.
Chocha Monger
11-26-08, 22:33
Warbucks,
It sounds like you’re burnt out on the whole mongering scene. Mongering is not a long term solution for female companionship. It is more like a pressure release valve for sexual frustration. If you’re young, have a good income and most of your teeth then you don’t have to indulge in mongering. Decent looking women will be more than happy to grant you sexual privileges in return for your support and sponsorship in a less overt manner. However, don’t ever think that you’re getting something for nothing or an “equal” deal.
I’ve been seeing an Asian spinner who picks up the bill almost as much as I do when we go out. Now, that sounds about equal right. Well not exactly if one takes into the time I’ve spent with her and the aggravation of dealing with the whimsical nature of a good looking woman in this country. She is an immigrant but a fully assimilated one as I am finding out. So after some thought I decided that perhaps I may not want to deal with the situation any longer. There is a limit to what I’d suffer to have my way with a hot petite chick and I think that limit decreases a bit each passing year.
If mongering did not exist perhaps I’d have a different perspective on the matter and I’d consider myself a “lucky guy” to even have this chick. Therefore, I try not to knock the fat, lame, blind, ugly and old guys who provide the bulk of the cash flow that keeps the industry going. If these guys didn’t have to monger then the scene would disappear pretty quickly and young handsome guys wouldn’t have the option to dabble in it at all. They’d be spending money trying to fight baldness, obesity and old age. You’d be surprised to know that some of those repulsive looking mongers were once young fit handsome men who didn’t have to pay for it.
Even if you choose not to actively monger just knowing that you can if you wanted to helps to keep impulses in check when dealing with some beauty with a mercenary mind. Think for one moment how you were before you discovered “the hobby” and how you are now.
Another thing I wanted to mention was that the assertion that “only Third World women ask for money” is wrong. I’ve had several low income US women ask me for money outright or for rent and car payments. These requests may be more common in poorer countries but they’re not unheard of in the US.
Warbucks,
It sounds like you’re burnt out on the whole mongering scene. Mongering is not a long term solution for female companionship. It is more like a pressure release valve for sexual frustration. If you’re young, have a good income and most of your teeth then you don’t have to indulge in mongering. Decent looking women will be more than happy to grant you sexual privileges in return for your support and sponsorship in a less overt manner. However, don’t ever think that you’re getting something for nothing or an “equal” deal.
A CM you always pick up the tab with great insight… yeah guess I am burned out. Been finding myself chasing a lot of square tail of late….I thought I would never get tired of mongering....just a few post back I was advocating it... talk about a 360....
No one will believe me probably, but during the past couple months I’ve read nearly every post I this thread. Maybe not all of them word for word, but almost.
It’s probably some of the most enlightening shit I’ve ever read.
It’s great to hear so many differing opinions, and I think basically I agree with the gist of this thread.
I used to think something was wrong with me. I only knew how to be myself and not play games with the ladies, and it never worked. It’s like unless you say and do everything perfectly to a girl, you have no chance. There’s no room for error, you have to absolutely perfect. It’s like you can’t even be human.
A word on Miami. I saw some people say that it may be a bit better here because of all the Latinas. Well I’ve been here for over 20 years, and it is probably one of the worst places in the county if you are looking for genuine people. There is no substance here, it’s all about showing off and bling bling this and bling bling that. And the Latina girls are Americanized to the max. I think that there are several factors that contribute to how stuck up they become once in the U.S. The younger they are, the more beautiful they are, and the more well off they are, the more Princess-like they become. They demand the world for doing nothing.
I’m young, in great shape, educated, and I have decent money, but the thing is I don’t act like a macho asshole, nor do I act like I have a lot of money. I’ve always been modest and lived below means. I’m a great saver. So I have no luck whatsoever with the females here.
Now I can admit, that I’m short (about 5’4’’), but I have a cut in shape body. Also, race may play a factor because I am of Indian and black descent in a primarily latin area. And I’ll be the first to admit that I have zero game. I read a bit about that pickup artist stuff from Mystery and Style, but I just can’t pull it off. I only know how to act genuine.
What gets me is this: when you’re interested you have to act like you’re not. What the hell? You have to play these psychological mind games which I just don’t have the patience for.
So, now I just walk around not giving a fuck. I hold my head high with all the confidence I can, because I know I got money and once I finish my graduate degree, I’m gonna spend my life traveling the world. Not necessarily focusing on mongering, but that will be a big part of it. What other choice do I have? I’ve given up on a normal loving relationship that our society convinces us is the goal of life. I don’t even think I believe that kind of thing exists anymore.
Just wanted to rant. Thanx.
Feanor7, 90% of what you wrote, is like I was writing about myself!
Believe me Florida is not the worst place. You are damn lucky you are in Florida. Where do you wanna see "genuine" people(girls in particular)? For example, in Philadelphia? The same bullshit, even worse(unless you into cocaine type of recreation), only it's colder, people have more money and are pissed and busy with their shit more.
Maybe in some village/farm state? There are almost no good-looking girls(of course there are exceptions), yeah there are might be 200lbs "genuine" Debie, but she's the quinne among local dudes you are gonna compete with.
And all the people are always "busy". Tomorrow they wake up at 7 for work, school in the eve, family/bf/kids/friends on the weekend.
The fact that "Mystery and Style" guys exist already shows the problem. Basically it's another American business, making money where they are not should be made in the first place. In a normal society "average" people do not need these kinds of "pickup" tricks. As you said if you're being yourself, clean, neat, you should always be able to find somebody you like. I guess USA is an exception. When I date a girl(a foreign one, i don't even bother with Americans) in USA, it gets mi sick of all the bullshit. Even not very good-looking ones put so much importance on themselves, it's amazing. Because they get to chose, not you.
I know it's not good to generalize like this, but this is my "loser" statistics. Originally I'm not from USA, maybe that's why I can't understand what's going on here.
Anyway, Florida is great. You are a few hours and few hundred $ away from good places.
Member #4214
11-30-08, 05:08
this comes from the uk, but i'm certain it is applicable to the us as well:
recession: when the money goes, so does the toxic wife
by tara winter wilson
last updated: 7:31pm gmt 26 nov 2008
'you loser!" screamed katie, aiming a vase at her husband. "you've destroyed my life,'' she continued, hurling it. "just look at my hair, look at my nails! you loser, you jerk, you nobody."
katie's husband, jack, whose property portfolio disintegrated in the financial crash, had just told his wife that she would have to cut back on her thrice-weekly visits to nicky clarke, the nail salon in harvey nichols, and the oxygen facials, chemical peels and seaweed wraps at space nk.
not only that, but they no longer had the money to pay for an army of bullied eastern europeans to wait on her hand and foot.
worse was to come ...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/recession/3527803/recession-when-the-money-goes-so-does-the-toxic-wife.html
this comes from the uk, but i'm certain it is applicable to the us as well:
recession: when the money goes, so does the toxic wife
by tara winter wilson
last updated: 7:31pm gmt 26 nov 2008
'you loser!" screamed katie, aiming a vase at her husband. "you've destroyed my life,'' she continued, hurling it. "just look at my hair, look at my nails! you loser, you jerk, you nobody."
katie's husband, jack, whose property portfolio disintegrated in the financial crash, had just told his wife that she would have to cut back on her thrice-weekly visits to nicky clarke, the nail salon in harvey nichols, and the oxygen facials, chemical peels and seaweed wraps at space nk.
not only that, but they no longer had the money to pay for an army of bullied eastern europeans to wait on her hand and foot.
worse was to come ...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/recession/3527803/recession-when-the-money-goes-so-does-the-toxic-wife.htmland they expect me to get married someday? hmm. let me think about it for a second. ummm, no.
I've seen the argument a few times that "all women are the same" or "women are the same no matter where you go". I think it's important to discuss this idea realistically.
First of all, people are not all the same. at the basic level yes, but different societies breed different types of people. You can't deny that. yes, at their basic level people are all the same, but the complexity of human beings makes them vastly different depending on the environments they grow up in.
So women the same no matter where u go? This is simply not true. at their basic level yes: women want a man with drive and ambition and who has a job and can take care of them. Yes, u are reading this correct: I am agreeing with the fact that women want a guy who can take care of them. Now a lot of guys read this the wrong way and say: "oh, so they are all golddiggers". NO! You see, the difference between Western women and foreign women is this: while Western want a guy to take care of them so they can be lazy bitches and get fat, foreign women want a guy who can take care of them while they DO THEIR PART AS WELL. See the difference?
Another thing: I think people have forgetten something very important about marriage. And this is the key to why Western women are so fucked up and foreign women are a better choice. Here is the key (forgive me for capitalizing Jackson): marriage is about BUILDING A LIFE TOGETHER. Foreign women understand this. Western women don't. They expect you to build your life, become rich, so they can leech off of you. Again, foreign women know they must do their part as well.
Of course there is the phase that (young) women go through when they just want the bad ass losers. Fortunately, SOME of them grow out of it, and look for the suckers to take care of them once their pussies are worn out.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Article goes on to cite sharp increases in initial calls to divorce lawyers since September. Guessing it's time to cash in the winnings and find the next victim.
Also an "upscale matchmaking service" (read "pimp") reporting recent increase in calls from married women wishing to trade up. Guessing they weren't taking that "for richer or poorer" vow crap seriously.
If it's happening in UK must be the same here, Australia, and in English-speaking Canada!
Marriage...for me?!...not happening.
CBGBConnisur
12-11-08, 13:57
American and English speaking women in general do not know their limits, and push them constantly. European, Real Latin American(those in the US DO NOT COUNT) and Asian(the real ones) understand their limits, thats why they don't suck like English speaking women. I have never gotten the urge to yell at a European woman but on many occasions an American or Aussie as given me a lot of excuse to yell at the *****. I will do a lot of gentlemanly things in Europe but never in the US, UK, or Australia where the countries are filled with useless Ugg Boot wearing, text messaging airheads. Occasionally you do find some gems among immigrant groups in these countries but that is it, if you go out with a foreign born woman who has been in the country 10 years or more, speaks with a local accent, forget about it.
India might be the one Asian country that is an AVOID, its too English and American influenced. They even have a feminist radio network over there, why I like communist China better.
if you go out with a foreign born woman who has been in the country 10 years or more, speaks with a local accent, forget about it.
Maybe you meant 10 days or more?
I think it's getting worse then it used to be several years ago. It looks like they have established a standard way to get in. Now many foreign girls once on the US, they have all this planned. When they are just arrived, they want to "settle" and eventually become American. They are hunting for a document and sponsorship provider. Sometimes they can tell you directly that they need financial support for college, so they get student visa. They will also ask for many other favors. It does not directly translate into sex.
Some times you can get lucky with such girls, but when they realize you do not wanna do stuff for them and do not have plans for marry them, they leave you right away. Which is actually fine with me.
They try keep a number of such male "friends" on a leash. Then they pick the most promising "friend" or find somebody who truly deserves them on a side(i.e. read with a better car and a house, or just a desperate idiot who would marry right away) and will be seriously talking to him about marriage for obvious reasons.
After several years when everything is settled, now you got a new AW. Of course some of them are better or worse, some of them are still nice persons but Americanized.
There are also girls who came with their parents and who do not need documents. They will not ask for financial support, but I have seen that even ugly girls put so much importance on themselves, that it makes me puke.
I think it's getting worse then it used to be several years ago. It looks like they have established a standard way to get in. Now many foreign girls once on the US, they have all this planned.
It is worse. The women who came in prior years learned the ropes about how to game the 'System'. They teach the newbies how to run game on US men and the US legal system.
In addition, foreign women trafficked into the US by men who marry them are the new victim group to be saved by feminists. Using Indle King and another man who both murdered their foreign wives, feminists groups help 'save' foriegn women by teaching them how to claim domestic violence against their husbands. They provide legal advice and representation as well. It is almost a racket. If it was men and men's groups running this game on women, the men would be charged under the RICO statute.
Bango Cheito
12-15-08, 06:43
There was one guy on www.poorbuthappy.com who TOTALLY got taken by a Colombian girl. She had it all planned before she even landed in the US, she claimed domestic violence right away, and got him shut out of his own house!
In contrast, my wife here in Bogota would cut off one of her own tits for me. We certainly don't have a perfect relationship, we have a lot to fight about, but what we have is excellent, and yes she gets that we are going forward TOGETHER.
there was one guy on www.poorbuthappy.com who totally got taken by a colombian girl. she had it all planned before she even landed in the us, she claimed domestic violence right away, and got him shut out of his own house!
in contrast, my wife here in bogota would cut off one of her own tits for me. we certainly don't have a perfect relationship, we have a lot to fight about, but what we have is excellent, and yes she gets that we are going forward together.
i've heard a similar story about a russian woman. a man in his 40s or 50s got divorced and decided to bring a younger beautiful girl. she came, everything was great, everybody is happy, for a couple of years. after she gets all her docs, he gets arrested for abuse and [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), and also kicked out of his house(a very big one).
what's interesting, it is not necessary that all the women are such evil initially, they get influences by others a lot. i was married for one year, and my wife did not have any intention to do anything nasty when we were getting divorced. she was still a decent person. and we had plans to stay friends. but she was getting so much "friendly" advise from others(including her girlfriends and relatives), such as to go to those feminist societies, court, etc.. she did none of that. but i'm sure many others would do.
Bango Cheito
12-15-08, 17:57
Well it's the entitlement mentality that pervades all of North American society very badly. Unfortunately you can see plenty of examples of MEN who are as much victims of it as women. Even right here on this thread!! :P
CBGBConnisur
12-18-08, 17:37
Russian and European women are fantastic unless you take them back to the US then things go to shit in a handbasket very quickly. The new environment and more liberated feminist culture usually takes shape.
Even minority women in America are horrific and big time ball busters. Seen Puerto Rican women in NYC?? Its amazing how they all dress the same, usually Ugg boots, a gaudy looking jacket and a TMobile Sidekick. Watch them get into a large group and then they get noisy and obnoxious. They are horrible and completely disrespect men. I ran into a Spanish girl on a tram in Germany and it was a 180 of Puerto Rican NYC girls, friendly demeanor. I have seen the same in Latin America, but Latinas who live in English speaking countries are just cunts like the majority caucasian female. Many Asians are dragon ladies too in the West, still Latinas in my experienced tend to become Americanized very quickly.
David Smash
12-18-08, 19:12
Russian and European women are fantastic unless you take them back to the US then things go to shit in a handbasket very quickly. The new environment and more liberated feminist culture usually takes shape.
Even minority women in America are horrific and big time ball busters. Seen Puerto Rican women in NYC?? Its amazing how they all dress the same, usually Ugg boots, a gaudy looking jacket and a TMobile Sidekick. Watch them get into a large group and then they get noisy and obnoxious. They are horrible and completely disrespect men. I ran into a Spanish girl on a tram in Germany and it was a 180 of Puerto Rican NYC girls, friendly demeanor. I have seen the same in Latin America, but Latinas who live in English speaking countries are just cunts like the majority caucasian female. Many Asians are dragon ladies too in the West, still Latinas in my experienced tend to become Americanized very quickly.I think Latin women are Americanized quicker b/c the U. S. Minority pop. Is becoming more and more Latin dominated. Here in New York for the last two years I have seen a HUGE increase in Dominicans. Now there are a lot of South Americans particulary Ecuadorians and Salvadorians.
CBGBConnisur
12-19-08, 18:19
Well they come across as a bunch of loud mouth dodo brains. Jessica Alba is the poster child American Latina dodo brain. Some people think she is hot, I find her to be too stupid to be attractive. Kim Kardashian, who is not Latina, is another dodo head. The typical experience is that minority groups who live in an area with large number of fellow people of the same minority group, they get more obnoxious. Muslims in Europe are known for their obnoxious behavior. I only think this does not apply to East Asians, where I live there are huge numbers of East Asians but for the most part they are very well behaved.
Bango Cheito
12-20-08, 09:49
I always got lots of love from the NYC Latinas, including the Colombians who are so supposed to not be at all interested in gringos once they get to the US. The Boricuas are loud and rowdy, but a lot of them are really really genuinely nice people when you get to know them, and very down to earth. I found I like the Puerto Ricans better in NYC and not so much in Puerto Rico, whereas with the Dominicans its the reverse, the NYC ones are very materialistic mostly, whereas the ones on the island are cool, although I have a lot of REAL good Dominican friends in NYC too, both male and female.
Hey Smash, you might want to invest in a good world globe because El Salvador is not in South America.
Hey Smash, you might want to invest in a good world globe because El Salvador is not in South America.
Unfortunately most Gringos assume every country South of the U.S Border is located in South America. While in actuality El Salvador is located in Central America.
DJ FourMoney
12-25-08, 13:16
Unfortunately most Gringos assume every country South of the U.S Border is located in South America. While in actuality El Salvador is located in Central America.
Then again, most Americans have trouble finding some States and think the capital of California is Los Angeles....
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081227/ap_on_re_us/santa_shooting
A man who carried out a Christmas Eve massacre and arson dressed as Santa at the home of his former in-laws apparently intended to flee the U.S., but his plans were dashed after the inferno he created severely burned his arms and melted his red costume onto his body, police said Friday.
Bruce Jeffrey Pardo, a laid-off aerospace worker, apparently shot some of his nine victims execution-style in a plot to destroy his ex-wife's family after a costly divorce that was finalized last week. He had an airline ticket for a Christmas morning flight to Canada and $17,000 in cash on his body, some attached to his legs with plastic wrap and some in a girdle, Covina police Chief Kim Raney said. He did not know the Canadian destination.
Armed with four guns, wearing the Santa suit and carrying a fuel-spraying device wrapped like a present, Pardo showed up at the home at 11:30 p.m. Wednesday as a party of about 25 people was under way.
Raney said Pardo, 45, fired a shot into the face of an 8-year-old girl who answered the door and at first fired indiscriminately, then apparently targeted relatives of his ex-wife as other guests fled.
"There's some information that he stood over them and shot them execution-style," Raney said.
Pardo retreated to the front door and retrieved a device that mixed carbon dioxide or oxygen with high-octane racing fuel, police said. Fleeing guests saw him spraying the fuel inside the house when the vapor was ignited, possibly by a pilot light or a candle, and exploded.
"Mr. Pardo was severely injured during that explosion," Raney said. "He suffered third-degree burns on both arms and it also appears that the Santa Claus suit that he was wearing did melt onto his body."
Pardo was able to drive to his brother's home in the Sylmar area of Los Angeles, broke in and shot himself in the head. His brother discovered the body early Thursday.
Before the suicide, Pardo used remnants of the Santa suit to booby-trap his rental car to explode, the chief said.
Raney said Pardo wired the suit so when it was lifted it "would pull a trip wire or a switch, ignite a flare inside the car that would then ignite black powder and he had several hundred rounds of handgun ammunition inside the car."
The device went off as a bomb squad worked to disarm it Thursday, but no one was hurt.
Police said Pardo had no criminal record or history of violence, and neighbors and others knew him as a friendly man who walked his dog and was a volunteer usher at his parish church.
Authorities released 911 calls filled with frantic appeals for help: "My mom's house is on fire!" said a caller phoning from a neighbor's house. "He's still shooting at them!"
The fire was so intense that no bodies have been identified because of charring, but police Lt. Tim Doonan said all were Pardo's former relatives. He declined to say whether his ex-wife and her parents were among them, but said they were unaccounted for. The victims were believed to range in age from 17 to 80.
Los Angeles County-USC Medical Center spokeswoman Adelaida De La Cerda said the 8-year-old girl who was shot in the face was released from the hospital Friday. Her mother had been at the hospital and was "extremely traumatized," De La Cerda said.
Her cousin, a 16-year-old girl brought in for observation, had superficial injuries and was released Thursday. The teenager's mother was Bruce Pardo's ex-wife, De La Cerda said. Also injured was a woman who broke her ankle when jumping from a second-story window.
David Salgado, a neighbor, said he saw the 8-year-old victim being escorted to an ambulance by four SWAT officers as fire devoured the house. He identified the owners of the home as Sylvia Pardo's parents, Joseph and Alicia Ortega.
"It was really ugly," Salgado said.
When the fire was extinguished early Thursday, officers found three charred bodies in the living room area. Investigators found five more bodies amid the ashes later in the day. Coroner's Lt. Larry Dietz said a ninth body was found Friday morning.
Police found two handguns at the home of Pardo's brother, and two more in the Covina home. All were empty.
A search of Pardo's own home in Montrose, a suburb northeast of Los Angeles, turned up racing fuel, five empty boxes for high-powered semiautomatic handguns and two high-powered shotguns.
The police chief said Pardo had no military experience, and in a resume he claimed to have a bachelor's and master's degree in electrical engineering.
Court records show Pardo's ex-wife Sylvia Pardo, 43, filed for a dissolution of marriage on March 24, 2008, and they were legally separated after about two years of marriage. The two reached a settlement on Dec. 18.
Bruce Pardo owed her $10,000 as part of the settlement, according to court documents that detailed a bitter split. He also lost a dog he doted on and did not get back a valuable wedding ring.
"No counseling or delay could help restore this marriage," the settlement stated. "There are irreconcilable differences which have led to the complete breakdown of the marriage."
The couple had no children together, but Bruce Pardo had a son from a previous relationship, Raney said.
Bruce Pardo had been employed at ITT Electronic Systems, Radar Systems, in Van Nuys from February 2005 to July 2008, according to court documents. Raney, however, said Pardo was terminated in October, and according to family members disappeared for a month while possibly traveling to the Midwest or East Coast before returning this month.
Pardo's resume also claimed he worked at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory from 1985-1994, the police chief said. The lab could not confirm the claim Friday.
Bruce Pardo wrote in a legal declaration that he was laid off in July and had been denied state unemployment payments in August. He said he was "desperately seeking" work with many companies.
"I was not given a severance package from my last employer at termination and I am not receiving any other income. I am desperately seeking work and have since applied to many companies, resulting in several job interviews," he wrote. "I ask for support just until I gain employment."
Bruce Pardo complained in a court declaration that Sylvia Pardo was living with her parents, not paying rent, and had spent lavishly on a luxury car, gambling trips to Las Vegas, meals at fine restaurants, massages and golf lessons.
Documents from the divorce show Bruce Pardo got their house, which was valued at more than $500,000, but the couple only had $106,000 in equity in it. The mortgage was $2,700 a month, a declaration said.
He complained in a filing that he had monthly expenses of $8,900 and ran a monthly deficit of $2,678.
In June, the court ordered him to pay $1,785 a month in spousal support and put him on a payment plan of $450 a month for $3,570 that was unpaid.
His attorney, Stanley Silver, told The Associated Press his client had trouble making the support payments after he lost his job in July, but spousal support was waived in the settlement last week. Bruce Pardo was trying to pay $10,000 to finalize the divorce proceedings, Silver said, and he never showed any anger or instability.
"All of my dealings with him were always pleasant and cheerful," said Silver, who heard from him last on Tuesday.
Friends and neighbors described Bruce Pardo as a cheerful man who seemed upbeat and doted on a big, brown Akita he owned with his former wife.
Jan Detanna, head usher at the Holy Redeemer Catholic Church in Montrose, said Pardo signed up to usher during the Christmas Eve service and always volunteered as an usher at the 5:30 p.m. Sunday service — the children's Mass.
"He was very outgoing, he was very friendly. He always greeted you with a smile, he was a pretty big guy and had a firm handshake," said Detanna, who didn't know Pardo was going through a divorce. "It's a shock to everybody that knew him. You just don't know what's going on sometimes."
Pardo's neighbor, George Tataje, 39, said his dog and Pardo's Akita would play together at a park, but he didn't speak to him much. Other neighbors frequently saw him working on his lawn and walking his dog.
At his home in Montrose, Christmas lights decorated the roof and plastic nutcracker soldiers and striped candy canes were attached to a fence that edged a neatly trimmed lawn.
On a lighter note...
Young ISGer's in action....
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XZiZvrvxcKA&feature=channel
Doctor_Skank
12-27-08, 20:25
On a lighter note...
Young ISGer's in action....
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XZiZvrvxcKA&feature=channelChildren + sex, even as a supposed joke as in the video, is wrong and not at all "ISG". Whoever made the video should have their head examined.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/27/bruce-jeffrey-pardo-santa_n_153715.html
I see Hispanic last names here, so I wonder, was it a regular get-divorced-take-all case or rather an Ecuadorian/Colombian/Venezuelan etc get-married-import-all-family-claim-fake-domestic violence case?
Just curious.
Chocha Monger
12-28-08, 16:20
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/27/bruce-jeffrey-pardo-santa_n_153715.html
I see Hispanic last names here, so I wonder, was it a regular get-divorced-take-all case or rather an Ecuadorian/Colombian/Venezuelan etc get-married-import-all-family-claim-fake-domestic violence case?
Just curious.
This doesn't sound like a green card case. The ex-wife was married and divorced before. There weren't any allegations of domestic violence. It seems that the main issue in the marriage going bad was money. Money and the dog appeared to be the final triggers leading to the massacre.
There seems to be some other things in the mix as far as the guy was concerned. Even considering the fact that he'd gone postal, discharging a pistol at point blank range into the face of an eight year old child and rigging the vehicle to detonate show that he had some really evil tendencies.
It seems that the main issue in the marriage going bad was money. Money and the dog appeared to be the final triggers leading to the massacre.
I'm afraid with the U.S economy in the crapper we are probably going to see a lot more of this kind of bizarre behavior......sad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw24sv5pwwM
Chocha Monger
12-29-08, 08:13
Guys just remember if you ever plan on getting married don't settle for anything less than exactly what you want. The judge wouldn't give you any alimony discounts on the grounds that your wife's pussy was used or gave birth prior to your marriage.
If you really want a young virgin then don't settle for 35+ yrs with kids and divorced. In the end the courts are going to make you pay the same price anyway.
Latin Bound
12-29-08, 13:36
Children + sex, even as a supposed joke as in the video, is wrong and not at all "ISG". Whoever made the video should have their head examined.It appears that it was actually a tv commercial. If that is the case, I only have to assume that from wherever it came are more tolerant about this issue.
russian and european women are fantastic unless you take them back to the us then things go to shit in a handbasket very quickly. the new environment and more liberated feminist culture usually takes shape.
even minority women in america are horrific and big time ball busters. seen puerto rican women in nyc?? its amazing how they all dress the same, usually ugg boots, a gaudy looking jacket and a tmobile sidekick. watch them get into a large group and then they get noisy and obnoxious. they are horrible and completely disrespect men. i ran into a spanish girl on a tram in germany and it was a 180 of puerto rican nyc girls, friendly demeanor. i have seen the same in latin america, but latinas who live in english speaking countries are just cunts like the majority caucasian female. many asians are dragon ladies too in the west, still latinas in my experienced tend to become americanized very quickly.
what's really amazing is these same prada bag wearing ipod/iphone having dvf couture sporting ladies live in the worst hoods in nyc. they act like they [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) perfume and stepped out of "sex and the city" when the reality is 360 degrees from the truth.
one dominicana i jumped through hoops to get with lived in a building where the rats came out and said hello as you walked to the elevator inside the lobby of the building! thats besides the rats outside on the curb doin cartwheels in the garbage. the elevators stank like [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) of course... her home was immaculate though as she is a cleaning girl in midtown manhattan.
another headcase dominicana in li who makes six figures and drives sportscars who i went out with has furniture with roaches in it. nothing turns me off more than a female used to living with rats and roaches. when i would leave her house in the middle of the nite one hand was on the nine millimeter cause their was so much street traffic and the other was shaking my jacket out for any bugs!
one of the hottest and most stuck on herself chinese chicks i have ever known lived in the most decrepit tenement in chinatown where the place would fall apart literally as it was likely 120 years old. she never had money for the repairs but always a new italian handbag. she was actually cool when the sitc (sex and the city syndrome) syndrome/facade went down. unfortunately she had kids that were not mine and i could jump on a plane to asia and see dozens just like her and have to beat them off with a stick at the same time.
a south american chick took me to her house in queens and the roaches rep001tered when the lights went on!!! no embarrasment on her part either.
helped an ecuadorian girl move into the worst area in the bx-grand concourse in the 180's, total squalid dump and she acted like it was bel-air and she was the fresh princess. the crew hanging outside her 2nd floor window could almost jump up and say hola mami! if they wanted. of course she never called me back. she's probably hanging out in the china club or balthazar in manhattan hoping to meet a new york yankee or some other sports star.
DJ FourMoney
01-03-09, 01:17
Guys just remember if you ever plan on getting married don't settle for anything less than exactly what you want. The judge wouldn't give you any alimony discounts on the grounds that your wife's pussy was used or gave birth prior to your marriage.
If you really want a young virgin then don't settle for 35+ yrs with kids and divorced. In the end the courts are going to make you pay the same price anyway.
I couldn't agree more....
Which is why I need to get out of suburbia, that's all that's here!
American Women are just comical about their "value" as they age and add kids, it really goes DOWN and they don't SEEM to understand that. My homie found a 23 year old Unv of Hawaii Graduate and ex Vollyball Player (she's 5'11) and she's more "stable" than women 10 years older.
In other news...
My New Years was well, okay. It could have been better I suppose. My friend invited a bunch of worn out, dated and ugly women back to the pad and tried to get me to stay, oh hell no.
Yeah I feel like the 5th wheel alot of the time, but hey in the END I will get what I want or be single and learn to like it.
DJ FourMoney
01-03-09, 01:29
what's really amazing is these same prada bag wearing ipod/iphone having dvf couture sporting ladies live in the worst hoods in nyc. they act like they [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) perfume and stepped out of "sex and the city" when the reality is 360 degrees from the truth.
one dominicana i jumped through hoops to get with lived in a building where the rats came out and said hello as you walked to the elevator inside the lobby of the building! thats besides the rats outside on the curb doin cartwheels in the garbage. the elevators stank like [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) of course... her home was immaculate though as she is a cleaning girl in midtown manhattan.
another headcase dominicana in li who makes six figures and drives sportscars who i went out with has furniture with roaches in it. nothing turns me off more than a female used to living with rats and roaches. when i would leave her house in the middle of the nite one hand was on the nine millimeter cause their was so much street traffic and the other was shaking my jacket out for any bugs!
one of the hottest and most stuck on herself chinese chicks i have ever known lived in the most decrepit tenement in chinatown where the place would fall apart literally as it was likely 120 years old. she never had money for the repairs but always a new italian handbag. she was actually cool when the sitc (sex and the city syndrome) syndrome/facade went down. unfortunately she had kids that were not mine and i could jump on a plane to asia and see dozens just like her and have to beat them off with a stick at the same time.
a south american chick took me to her house in queens and the roaches rep001tered when the lights went on!!! no embarrasment on her part either.
helped an ecuadorian girl move into the worst area in the bx-grand concourse in the 180's, total squalid dump and she acted like it was bel-air and she was the fresh princess. the crew hanging outside her 2nd floor window could almost jump up and say hola mami! if they wanted. of course she never called me back. she's probably hanging out in the china club or balthazar in manhattan hoping to meet a new york yankee or some other sports star.
holly hell, then the "city" isn't the answer either???
that's why this forum is all about taking your show on the road. you can still find "gems" however look at my post below. how do you find a 23 year old college educated, tall, no kids, actually polite, ex sports player at a pool party when your a 37 year old dead beat father of 5 and out of work. they even live together, it actually bugs the living shit out of me.
where do i find such a package????
what am i doing wrong????
help! lol
I couldn't agree more....
Which is why I need to get out of suburbia, that's all that's here!
American Women are just comical about their "value" as they age and add kids, it really goes DOWN and they don't SEEM to understand that.
In other news...
My New Years was well, okay. It could have been better I suppose. My friend invited a bunch of worn out, dated and ugly women back to the pad and tried to get me to stay, oh hell no.
Yeah I feel like the 5th wheel alot of the time, but hey in the END I will get what I want or be single and learn to like it.
Hey DJ, it takes a little time for American women to understand their true "value" by the time it happens gravity takes over and it's too late.
DJ FourMoney
01-03-09, 09:53
Hey DJ, it takes a little time for American women to understand their true "value" by the time it happens gravity takes over and it's too late.
No but these women were never attractive....
Some fugly Latina and some fugly White girl with a bump on her nose and droopy eyes....eek!
My first homies girl is cute, petite and tight sista with a nice booty, Univ of VA grad.
But he's college educated too - Chico State
But the other GUY? Barely finished HS, married and knocked up the local White Hoe that banged Black Men in an area of Southern California was this was highly unusual to be involved in such activity. He got tired of playing "House" after about 4 years and 2 additional children to her own.
Then he shacked up with another woman, had two children with her before she kicked his arse out for being a leech!
Finds next girl at some SFV Pool Party she's at for whatever reason, I don't wanna know. But she played Vollyball for Univ of Hawaii and knows Devon Best (Shiet I need Playoff tickets!). Blonde, beyond cute, actually quite attractive, tall, great legs, nice rack for a former sports playa
As I said - WHAT THE FUCK AM I DOING WRONG?????
I'm the DJ, the mechanic, truck driver, PC builder, nice guy and the rest of it and all I get is crazy bloated Canadians, a Plain Jane German in a "Special Situation" with her Green Card havin Asian soon to be ex-husband and the hundreds of women over 30 with 2, 3, sometimes 4 or 5 children!
I'm DOOMED
My theme song has become - Single Life by Cameo
Next stop Brazil because why fuck with this bullshit when I can be knee-deep in fair skinned Latina punai with ASS FOR DAYS! Okay from there, I hope I can return to club dj'ing and we'll see what comes out of that, it can't be GOOD though, maybe a little action but nothing serious.
They never understand their value until its too late. Only desperate fools would even get them the time of day because they don't believe in the alternatives available.
I have seen the light, followed the glory and I can't thank the many of you enough for the encouragement.
No but these women were never attractive....
Some fugly Latina and some fugly White girl with a bump on her nose and droopy eyes....eek!
My first homies girl is cute, petite and tight sista with a nice booty, Univ of VA grad.
But he's college educated too - Chico State
But the other GUY? Barely finished HS, married and knocked up the local White Hoe that banged Black Men in an area of Southern California was this was highly unusual to be involved in such activity. He got tired of playing "House" after about 4 years and 2 additional children to her own.
Then he shacked up with another woman, had two children with her before she kicked his arse out for being a leech!
Finds next girl at some SFV Pool Party she's at for whatever reason, I don't wanna know. But she played Vollyball for Univ of Hawaii and knows Devon Best (Shiet I need Playoff tickets!). Blonde, beyond cute, actually quite attractive, tall, great legs, nice rack for a former sports playa
As I said - WHAT THE FUCK AM I DOING WRONG?????
I'm the DJ, the mechanic, truck driver, PC builder, nice guy and the rest of it and all I get is crazy bloated Canadians, a Plain Jane German in a "Special Situation" with her Green Card havin Asian soon to be ex-husband and the hundreds of women over 30 with 2, 3, sometimes 4 or 5 children!
I'm DOOMED
My theme song has become - Single Life by Cameo
Next stop Brazil because why fuck with this bullshit when I can be knee-deep in fair skinned Latina punai with ASS FOR DAYS! Okay from there, I hope I can return to club dj'ing and we'll see what comes out of that, it can't be GOOD though, maybe a little action but nothing serious.
They never understand their value until its too late. Only desperate fools would even get them the time of day because they don't believe in the alternatives available.
I have seen the light, followed the glory and I can't thank the many of you enough for the encouragement.
Hey DJ if you want above average looking American women chasing you, you've got to become a heartless SOB and treat 'em like trash....most decent looking American women love it. The worst thing an American woman can tell you is that you are too nice....she will end up treating you like shit.....trust me on this. I wholeheartedly subscribe to the theory of fuck 'em (with condoms of course) and leave 'em.
DJ FourMoney
01-04-09, 08:18
Hey DJ if you want above average looking American women chasing you, you've got to become a heartless SOB and treat 'em like trash....most decent looking American women love it. The worse thing an American woman can tell you is that you are too nice a guy....she will end up treating you like shit.....trust me on this. I wholeheartedly subscribe to the theory of fuck 'em (with condoms of course) and leave 'em.
Yeah I know that, not in my nature can't do it.
Fuck what? I haven't met an acceptable looking woman in MONTHS!
I work, I come home, I work, I come home. I went out on NYE and found the pickins rather slim. Did see some gems, but no eye contact, no interest.
I have women over 40 hitting me up on my personal ad again, this isn't good.
Some Aussie chick recently stiffed me for reasons I don't quite understand she wasn't all that hot and older than myself....
I will file my W2's asap and I'll change to direct deposit, buy tickets to Sampa, Curitiba, maybe Argentina and say HASTA to America for about 10 days to recharge as it might be the only sexo I get for sometime to come unless I relent or see some overpriced local or make a run to the boarder...
Yeah I know that, not in my nature can't do it.
Fuck what? I haven't met an acceptable looking woman in MONTHS!
I work, I come home, I work, I come home. I went out on NYE and found the pickins rather slim. Did see some gems, but no eye contact, no interest.
I have women over 40 hitting me up on my personal ad again, this isn't good.
Some Aussie chick recently stiffed me for reasons I don't quite understand she wasn't all that hot and older than myself....
I will file my W2's asap and I'll change to direct deposit, buy tickets to Sampa, Curitiba, maybe Argentina and say HASTA to America for about 10 days to recharge as it might be the only sexo I get for sometime to come unless I relent or see some overpriced local or make a run to the boarder...
DJ,
I am glad to see you are considering Latin America as a source for female action! You won't regret it.
I haven't met acceptable an AW in years, never mind months! Not that I have been looking. LOL! I also go to work, come home, work at home, go to work, come home, work at home, (watch some football), go to work, etc. But in the meantime I save for trips to Brazil.
You should be aware that Latinas come in all shapes, sizes, and colors, so there are more than enough light skinned, Caucasian looking ladies for you. I suggest you try Bogota, Colombia, anywhere in Brazil but especially the southern cities like Florianapolis and Curitiba, and even Venezuela when Chavez leaves the political scene. Argentina probably has the most Euro looking people, but I am told there is more racism there than in other LA countries and the people are quite arrogant and full of themselves.
Good luck.
People are only arrogant and full of themselves in the city of Buenos Aires and its wealthier suburbs, not everywhere in Argentina (I've been to 16 of the 23 provinces). They are racist but my vote for the most racist LA country would be Chile, followed by Peru, and then yeah Argentina. But like all y'all know, for every gal who won't fuck you just because you are black there is another one who will fuck you just because you are black. However, what I do NOT see in Argentina is black/white couples. In other words, what I have seen (everyone knows I am Caucasian, right?) is that they will fuck a black guy but will not introduce him to family and probably not to friends. That could be a good thing, of course.
People are only arrogant and full of themselves in the city of Buenos Aires and its wealthier suburbs, not everywhere in Argentina (I've been to 16 of the 23 provinces). They are racist but my vote for the most racist LA country would be Chile, followed by Peru, and then yeah Argentina. But like all y'all know, for every gal who won't fuck you just because you are black there is another one who will fuck you just because you are black. However, what I do NOT see in Argentina is black/white couples. In other words, what I have seen (everyone knows I am Caucasian, right?) is that they will fuck a black guy but will not introduce him to family and probably not to friends. That could be a good thing, of course.
I think DJ should try the DR. It is very different than the rest of latin america but the women are hot and there wouldn't be an issue with color.
Unfortunately not all of latin america is as friendly. There are many black people in SA but they seem to be in the backround or hang out in their own communities.
Latin people like to associate with the european side of their heritage. They even have issues with their indian side. Don't get involved..I don't.
Colombia (cartagena) would be another option but I recommend you brush up on your spanish before you go.
I'd love to bang a few german MILFS for free but they don't go for light skin guys.
Everyone gets a piece. It just depends who you are looking to get it from.
Try sosua for starters!
DJ FourMoney
01-05-09, 10:35
Columbia is next, it was a close second, but I'll try there next time.
Dominican Republic, I always get a picture of "Big Poppie", but yes that country has some European influence as well.
While America has been on this world domination tract, what do they do? A Bunch of Asian Island nations, I guess that's all that was left...
If I could string together CR, DR and Columbia that would be cool...
WTCC Race in Curitiba is March 8-9th, so I'm thinking about 6 days total in South Brazil. (3 in Sampa, 3 in Curitiba) and if I have enough left, I'll hit up BoA for a couple of days.
If I could string together CR, DR and Columbia that would be cool...
WTCC Race in Curitiba is March 8-9th, so I'm thinking about 6 days total in .
Forget about stringing them together. Start with the DR then move on to colombia at a future date. You will like sosua and you will make alot of friends that have traveled to SA. They will lead you from there.
I wouldn't do colombia as a first time introduction to latin america. Especially if your spanish is limited.
Just my 2 cents worth.
DJ FourMoney
01-06-09, 02:26
Forget about stringing them together. Start with the DR then move on to colombia at a future date. You will like sosua and you will make alot of friends that have traveled to SA. They will lead you from there.
I wouldn't do colombia as a first time introduction to latin america. Especially if your spanish is limited.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Really? Hmmmm DR Forum here I come!
Geezzz America we have a problem. We can't blame American women for all that's wrong with America.
Tue Jan 6, 12:22 am ET
JACKSON, Ohio – Police say an angry 4-year-old Ohio boy grabbed a gun from a closet and shot his baby sitter.
Eighteen-year-old Nathan Beavers was hospitalized Sunday with minor wounds to his arm and side after the shotgun attack. Police say another teen was also injured.
Witnesses told police the child was angry because Beavers accidentally stepped on his foot. Beavers was watching the child at a mobile home in Jackson with several other teenagers and several other children.
Jackson County Sheriff John Shashteen says authorities are investigating. The child has not been charged.
DJ FourMoney
01-07-09, 23:02
Geezzz America we have a problem. We can't blame American women for all that's wrong with America.
Tue Jan 6, 12:22 am ET
Sure we can, according to MSNBC -
Mississippi according to the CDC the teen birth rate is 60% higher than the national average! New Mexico and Texas are slightly less. There's an overall national increase by 30%. This in the long term makes for a troubling lack of high wager earners since most of these girls will fuck up again and have a second child and be locked into a low wage earning scenario for at least a decade if not longer.
What does this do? Produce more dysfunctional children like the one you pointed out.
In other news, yet another female teacher was arrested for fucking an 18 yr old male student, wait, isn't that LEGAL???
We can't blame the War on women, can't blame several other things on Women but many social ills, sure we can. Teen pregnancy carries a 1000lbs Bomb's worth of social, cultural and fiscal problems.
Famous teens having kids sure didn't help, like they are going to struggle when the average American teen is going to struggle mightily for next several years if not longer.
This is the product of the totally immature culture we live in and the constant meddling of the Religious Conservatives.
If women want some of the control they can also take some of the blame...
CBGBConnisur
01-08-09, 15:13
Man sues his ex-wife who cheated on him for the kidney he donated to her:
http://wtop.com/?sid=1566947&nid=456
Only in America.
Gentleman Travel
01-09-09, 16:52
American Women are just comical about their "value" as they age and add kids, it really goes DOWN and they don't SEEM to understand that.
Hey DJ, it takes a little time for American women to understand their true "value" by the time it happens gravity takes over and it's too late.
Yeah, I was over at a friend's house last weekend and his wife, who works in international aid,
was telling my wife about a colleague who is in a long-term long-distance relationship with some guy in Australia.
The women were worrying that her relationship wasn't "going anywhere" and that this colleague's biological clock is running out.
They felt the Australian guy was just taking advantage of her and could dump her anytime and find a younger woman to start a family with.
Okay, DUH, ladies, apply this to your own situations!
My friend's wife is dumpy and domineering (mind you, he is a bit of a wussy).
My wife had closed up shop, sexually, for years until I drew a line in the sand two years ago
- now she is much more cooperative (and seemingly happier),
but I have to keep my foot on the accellerator and one hand on the door to keep her in line.
So why don't these women clue in and realize that they have to try harder (or at all) if they want to keep their "happily ever after"?
I think the after-market for middle-aged guys with decent jobs and all their own teeth is pretty good, even in the West - and potentially heavenly in the East.
Whereas the market for middle-aged embittered divorcees with kids is somewhat less vibrant. They only seem to discover that too late.
DJ FourMoney
01-10-09, 10:07
Yeah, I was over at a friend's house last weekend and his wife, who works in international aid,
was telling my wife about a colleague who is in a long-term long-distance relationship with some guy in Australia.
The women were worrying that her relationship wasn't "going anywhere" and that this colleague's biological clock is running out.
They felt the Australian guy was just taking advantage of her and could dump her anytime and find a younger woman to start a family with.
Okay, DUH, ladies, apply this to your own situations!
My friend's wife is dumpy and domineering (mind you, he is a bit of a wussy).
My wife had closed up shop, sexually, for years until I drew a line in the sand two years ago
- now she is much more cooperative (and seemingly happier),
but I have to keep my foot on the accellerator and one hand on the door to keep her in line.
So why don't these women clue in and realize that they have to try harder (or at all) if they want to keep their "happily ever after"?
I think the after-market for middle-aged guys with decent jobs and all their own teeth is pretty good, even in the West - and potentially heavenly in the East.
Whereas the market for middle-aged embittered divorcees with kids is somewhat less vibrant. They only seem to discover that too late.
Way too late, they bug me! Even the ones from other countries!
The German that was Plan B on my trip screamed at me over via her cellphone that I wasn't mature and that I was dodging her because she had two boys of elem school age. That was sort of the truth, but not entirely.
If she was hot (she wasn't) I think I can make an instant family work. So until a solid 8 bothers me about being her husband then I'll continue to demand 7-8's be without children.... Meaning I have to focus at least in Western Europe and move further east as I go.
Eastern Europe is the ONLY place I can find somebody about 25 and ready to settle down. The unknown is if the sex would dry up like it did on you. I would say unlikely as I would try and keep the embers hot and keep her desire up.
Easier said than done I would think, but I like a challenge. Its not a one way street however.
Deep Diver
01-10-09, 16:04
In other news, yet another female teacher was arrested for fucking an 18 yr old male student, wait, isn't that LEGAL???
No cause the teacher is in a position of authority. This is even relevent for college students who might be older such as 20+. the teacher or professor has a possition of authority. It also applies to other professions such as Doctors.
No cause the teacher is in a position of authority. This is even relevent for college students who might be older such as 20+. the teacher or professor has a possition of authority. It also applies to other professions such as Doctors.
While a teacher with an 18-year-old student is certainly not illegal, it is forbidden by schools and the teacher probably was fired.
Many professional associations' ethics codes have prohibitions against this, such as psychotherapy and medecine. While they may not be fired, there could be sanctions against them and their livelihood could be in jeopardy.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,479817,00.html
SEATTLE — Washington state law does not bar teachers from having sex with 18-year-old students.
That's the decision of a three-judge panel of the Washington Court of Appeals, which on Tuesday ordered the dismissal of a case brought against Hoquiam High School's former choir teacher.
The teacher, Matthew Hirschfelder, was charged with first-degree sexual misconduct with a minor. He challenged a judge's refusal to dismiss his case. The appeals court unanimously agreed that the state law is vague, and that the Legislature only intended to forbid sexual contact between school employees and students who are 16 or 17. Hirschfelder was 33 in 2006, at the time of the alleged relationship with the young woman. He resigned the next year.
Erik The Viking
01-21-09, 17:11
With a new President with a more progressive mindset than his predecessor. I wonder how the sex industry will change in America. Will prostitution ever be decrminalized in the US? Even your neighbors in Canada have far more liberal attitudes towards the practice.
With a new President with a more progressive mindset than his predecessor. I wonder how the sex industry will change in America. Will prostitution ever be decrminalized in the US? Even your neighbors in Canada have far more liberal attitudes towards the practice.
Prostitution laws in the US are enacted and enforced locally. The President has nothing to do with it.
Several counties in Nevada have decriminalized prostitution.
That Asshole
01-25-09, 21:35
With a new President with a more progressive mindset than his predecessor. I wonder how the sex industry will change in America. Will prostitution ever be decrminalized in the US? Even your neighbors in Canada have far more liberal attitudes towards the practice.Dear gentlemen,
What is exactly "prostitution"? Let's clarify first what we are talking about. I can assure you that prostitution is legal in all states and in every country in the world. It is just called by different names. Eg: marriage, girlfriend, skimpy secretary, flirting for promotion, crying for sympathy, etc.
All culminates in exerting control over men by twisting their dicks. What is unlawful is undercutting the high price of fuck. Selling it cheap, for mere cash and destroying the whole system of domination and control.
The arabs at least realize this and make the fuckers dress up to lessen their influence. To make them at least "equal" to men. Not hard to comprehend that seeing a black covered shapeless object will twist your dick much less than a bare ass secretary or classmate.
So gentlemen, it is easy to discuss anything but it will have no meaning unless we actually define what the terms we use really mean.
Best f-ing wishes, TA
Orangevale Rob
01-26-09, 05:55
I have to chime in on this. I saw this thread and thought "one little thread about what I think is a huge problem for most guys? " Then I come in and its 450 pages long. That's more like it.
Here's my two cents: Women's Liberation. Nice job, ladies. Here's what you've liberated yourself from: A man who paid your way and let you take care of the kids, who busted his hump to take care of you.
Here's what you liberated yourself to: You get married at 23 if you bother to get married at all, pump out some kids, divorce the husband and end up single, 40, kids, a huge ass and an attitude problem because nobody wants you. That's because we know why you are where you are: You have no respect for men, you're going to be demanding and your expectations will be far too high for the quality of person you have made yourself into. You think with kids running around, and being unattractive because you let yourself go, that you should still get quality men. So congratulations, now you work AND you're the mom, and are probably lonely to boot. And so are we.
There, I said it.
I think women ought to be able to work, but I think they ought to be able to stay home without feeling ashamed about it and be taken care of by a loving husband.
I think women ought to be able to work, but I think they ought to be able to stay home without feeling ashamed about it and be taken care of by a loving husband.
Rob,
I think you have missed the huge elephants in the room: alimony and child support. What we have in the US is women who stay home and are taken care of by ex-husbands. I challenge you to find ANY woman who feels ashamed about taking as much money as possible from her ex-husband! You know the US divorce rate is over 50%, right?
DJ FourMoney
01-27-09, 08:20
Rob,
I think you have missed the huge elephants in the room: alimony and child support. What we have in the US is women who stay home and are taken care of by ex-husbands. I challenge you to find ANY woman who feels ashamed about taking as much money as possible from her ex-husband! You know the US divorce rate is over 50%, right?
80% for couples married 5 years or less and it goes down to around 50% for 10 years and longer.
Even if you can't afford it, your paying Alimony in some cases. Who's idea was that???
Remember the guy that off'ed his ex's family and almost blew the 8 year's face off that answered the front door, before killing himself and booby-trapping the rental car he had?
The judge forced him to pay Alimony EVEN when he was laid-off by a local aerospace company.
Our entire being in America is driven by M-O-N-E-Y and its going to take one mighty cultural shift to restore Men's self-respect, while not taken gains Women have made away from them. Gladly we have some allies in this segment of the culture wars, both male and female.
In the meantime while we wait...
Demand the highest quality American woman you can find and don't settle for anything else. When that becomes akin to a finding a perfect grain of sand at Pismo Beach, buy your way to happiness or well, buy your way to happiness.
Demand the highest quality American woman you can find and don't settle for anything else.
The problem, where can one find these high quality AW? It's an almost impossible task if you ask me.
Chocha Monger
01-31-09, 01:03
Dear gentlemen,
What is exactly "prostitution"? Let's clarify first what we are talking about. I can assure you that prostitution is legal in all states and in every country in the world. It is just called by different names. Eg: marriage, girlfriend, skimpy secretary, flirting for promotion, crying for sympathy, etc.
All culminates in exerting control over men by twisting their dicks. What is unlawful is undercutting the high price of fuck. Selling it cheap, for mere cash and destroying the whole system of domination and control.
The arabs at least realize this and make the fuckers dress up to lessen their influence. To make them at least "equal" to men. Not hard to comprehend that seeing a black covered shapeless object will twist your dick much less than a bare ass secretary or classmate.
So gentlemen, it is easy to discuss anything but it will have no meaning unless we actually define what the terms we use really mean.
Best f-ing wishes, TA
That Asshole makes a great point! If prostitution is providing sex in return for favors or other forms of payment then we can't draw some arbitrary boundary between this behavior and call one marriage, girlfriend or what have you while calling the other prostitution simply because an outright exchange of cash occurs with both parties fully aware that it is nothing more than a financial transaction. If a john loves the hooker that he pays for sex and has an amicable relationship with her does that mean that they're no longer involved in prostitution? One has to define the enemy before declaring war.
The arabs at least realize this and make the fuckers dress up to lessen their influence. To make them at least "equal" to men. Not hard to comprehend that seeing a black covered shapeless object will twist your dick much less than a bare ass secretary or classmate.
Best f-ing wishes, TA
I hope this is mentioned in PROS&CONS . It's a wonderful qoute
Fuzz Bucket
01-31-09, 03:00
I hope this is mentioned in PROS&CONS . It's a wonderful qoute
Shit..........I knew we missed a good quote. We promise to pick this one up in the sequel. No royalties unfortunately......
DJ FourMoney
02-11-09, 02:36
Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/09/jealous-girlfriend-tries_n_165421.html
BELLINGHAM, Wash. — Three women believed a 28-year-old woman was having an affair with one of their boyfriends and came up with a plan to get rid of her by having her deported. A Bellingham police spokesman, Lt. Steve Felmley, said two of the women shoved the victim in a car Friday and took her to a Border Patrol station.
A Border Patrol agent, Michael Bermudez, on Monday said they took no one into custody and called police to deal with the women. The police spokesman said they don't ask crime victims whether they are in the country legally, so the 28-year-old is free.
Meanwhile, the three women are being investigated for unlawful imprisonment.
Felmley said, "I don't think this plan is working out the way they thought it would."
Incredible, will they stop at nothing? One of their girlfriends is about to loose her boyfriend to a woman that is treating him better more than likely and what do they do instead of letting the man go and learning from your mistakes?
They try and eliminate the competition, incredible!
Of course it didn't work and they'll get a nice slap on the wrist an fine large enough to make them think twice the next time they come up some crazy stunt, lady you LOST, deal with it.
i'm sure if 3 guys tried that with a girl they'd be headed to prison for kidnapping and attempted [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123).
here's a funny post from craigslist:
"this is a public service post to help cl newbies navigate the murky waters of the personals ads. it's a jungle out there, guys!
bbw - big bellied woman. not necessarily (and probably not) beautiful, just fat.
ssbbw - super sized big bellied woman. bbw caveat applies even more.
thick/a few extra pounds/some extra padding - fat/fat/fat. working hard to become a bbw/ssbbw.
real-sized - really fat.
rubenesque - classically fat.
curvy - fat, and will only get fatter with time.
meat on my bones - technically, that's not meat. when you order a 16 oz. t-bone you don't expect 14 oz. of fat.
voluptuous - see "curvy". yet another term that has been bastardized over the years.
volumptuous - not a word, just a jumble of letters i've actually seen used in a profile. fat and illiterate. i use it to describe the obnoxiously loud fat, the kind whose laugh hurts your ears while you're trying to enjoy a meal a few tables away. other variations include "volumptous", "volumptious".
buxom - busty. just a matter of time before this term is used by the curvy and voluptuous.
not one of those skinny girls - not only fat but also jealous of hwp (height-weight proportionate) women who take care of their bodies and can get great dates at the drop of a hat.
not one of them skinny girls - same as above, but add low-rent trash. one of the bridezillas used this term, screwing up her bloated, redneck face and derisively emphasizing "skinnnnnny". she also tried to pick a drunken bar fight with an attractive hwp woman. the groom's one lucky guy.
comfortable in my own skin - fat and too lazy to do anything about it. would rather spend 10 hours at the computer than 10 minutes exercising to get rid of that extra skin.
carry my weight well - fat all over.
well-proportioned size 16/18/… - an oxymoron, and a heart attack waiting to happen. shops exclusively at lane bryant.
looks shouldn't matter - fat.
fat/plus size/large/full-figured/overweight - refreshingly honest. no attempt at sugar-coating or subterfuge. others having the same body type should take note. if oprah can admit it, so can everyone else.
european - eastern european, not western european where the people are attractive and have manners. built like a russian tank, with an accent as thick as her thighs and a face that looks as if someone beat it with a bag of nickels. may describe herself as classy and well-mannered, but will not thank you for paying for coffee or a meal. pushy and tactless. does not age well. may resemble the rosa klebb character in the 007 movie "from russia with love". watch out for those flick-knife shoes.
"you sound bitter." - "your arguments are valid, and i have no retort."
strong-willed/independent/opinionated - bitchy, belligerent, and bossy.
misuse of "your" and "you're", "there", "their", and "they're", "to", "two", and "too", "than" and "then", "of" and "have", "woman" and "women" (as in "a women") - illiterate. favorite book is the national enquirer. other items bestowed upon us by the illiterati include "bauld" and "runs threw my vanes". sadly, i'm not making this up.
remember years ago when companies laid off large percentages of their workforce and called it "downsizing", then put a marketing spin on it and called it "right-sizing"? i'm just waiting for the proudly overweight to steal that term. "i'm a right-sized woman". heaven forbid.
Gentleman Travel
02-17-09, 15:40
Here's a funny post from Craigslist:
"This is a public service post to help CL newbies navigate the murky waters of the personals ads. It's a jungle out there, guys!
European - Eastern European, not Western European where the people are attractive and have manners. Built like a Russian tank, with an accent as thick as her thighs and a face that looks as if someone beat it with a bag of nickels. May describe herself as classy and well-mannered, but will not thank you for paying for coffee or a meal. Pushy and tactless. Does not age well. May resemble the Rosa Klebb character in the 007 movie "From Russia with Love"...
The rest of the post was funny, but the bit above is ill-informed.
Eastern European women (under 30) have amazing bodies, looks and fashion sense (or at least sexy fashions).
True, their accents can be harsh to the untrained ear, but the rest of it is to die for...
DJ FourMoney
02-17-09, 19:31
The rest of the post was funny, but the bit above is ill-informed.
Eastern European women (under 30) have amazing bodies, looks and fashion sense (or at least sexy fashions).
True, their accents can be harsh to the untrained ear, but the rest of it is to die for...
Well he's more than likely like most Americans having never been out of the country (What leave this great country, your crazy...). That would be the cause of his ill-informed comments.
To die for? I don't know if I would go quite that far, but the draw of the women being mostly childless even up to age 30 and beyond in many cases, the fact they have don't seem to suffer the self-esteem problems Western Culture women tend to have, even the so-so looking Devs try and look good and dress nicely.
Eastern Europe is not without its fat or overweight women, its just not as a common sight as it is in North America, as I include Canada in that.
I find it funny that women attack men for some women not being the standard, whatever that is. But I assume that would be a woman that HWT as the C-lister said. A little bit above or below that I think they'll find 95% of men are more than happy with.
On another forum, a guy posted a question; he asked if anybody has dated a Brazilian woman. One of the constantly antagonistic "bitches" on that board, never mind she's posting in the "Men's Locker Room" forum (the women have their own forum) tried to change the subject to some trash she saw on Oprah that. It just happen to have a segment about Brazilian women and their desire to get plastic surgery and take diet pills.
WTF? She was trying to point out that our desire to date Brazilian women who appear to very vain was faulty and we should stick to American women because as we all know "American Women are the best women available" and if you go outside of the country your a LOOSER with a big L.
We can't hack it, we aren't "real"men for taking on the fat tramps around here.
I just don't understand it, but then again I know were not dealing with rational human beings either.
I agree that the comment about E European women was idiotic and ignorant.
Here are some other translations I've deciphered over the years:
"Young at Heart": toothless old crone
"Free Spirit": substance abuser and manic-depressive
Reading these ads on CL and elsewhere I'm floored by the sense of entitlement by fat and fugly bitches. They are on welfare, have three brats, have no education or career prospects, yet they expect some moneyed sucker who is tall, full head of hair, professional, and refined who will rescue them! Wtf?! Are there AM who are that desparate? Really?
Chocha Monger
02-19-09, 01:08
Reading these ads on CL and elsewhere I'm floored by the sense of entitlement by fat and fugly bitches. They are on welfare, have three brats, have no education or career prospects, yet they expect some moneyed sucker who is tall, full head of hair, professional, and refined who will rescue them! Wtf?! Are there AM who are that desparate? Really?
Yes. Really. There are guys like this. I know of a retired US Air Force colonel that married one of these welfare moms right out of the trailer park. The old codger had a condo on the beach in Florida, a large house and other assets. He actually adopted the kids. The woman was in her late thirties. She had started going into early menopause and was on medication for depression. She threw him out of his house a few times because he dared to comment on the way the children were being brought up. She would then sweeten up whenever divorce was imminent and blame everything on the medication.
There are guys who even put up with worse things. After being rejected repeatedly by desirable women in their youth many AM decide to just settle for whatever comes along. The daily monotony of white collar work kills off any remaining sense that they may be worthy of something better. They happily scavenge what they can from the garbage heap of female society and call it a MILF.
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/weird/Indiana-Woman-Said-I-Do-23-Times.html?yhp=1
Indiana Woman Said "I Do" 23 Times
68-year-old Guinness world record holder would get married again
By MATT BARTOSIK
An Anderson, Ind., woman has been married 23 times to all kinds of men ... but she'd still do it again because life "gets lonely."
Because of her multiple marriages, the fictional character Erica Kane on ABC's soap opera "All My Children" has the longest name for a television character: Erica Kane Martin Brent Cudahy Chandler Roy Roy Montgomery Montgomery Chandler Marick Marick Montgomery. But one real-life Indiana woman would have her beat by a long shot.
She was born Linda Lou Taylor, but the 68-year-old Anderson, Ind., woman has had many names over the past 50+ years. That's because she's been hitched 23 times, making her the most married woman in history.
Linda can't remember her husbands in order, but she remembers the first one vividly. She and George Scott married in 1957, when she was just 16 and he was 31. They stayed together for seven years, making the marriage her longest.
Her shortest marriage? Thirty-six hours to Fred Chadwick.
Linda now goes by the surname Wolfe. She and husband Glynn "Scotty" Wolfe did not marry for love, however. The two wed in Arizona in 1996 as part of a publicity stunt. Scotty was the most married man in the world, and Linda was his 29th bride. Scotty died just a few days before their one-year anniversary.
If you think your ex-spouse story is bad, imagine having 23 of them.
Linda has been married to a convict, a preacher, a musician, bartenders, homeless men, electricians, and even two gay men. One husband beat her. More than one deserted her.
But this hasn't discouraged her from walking down the aisle again.
Chocha Monger
02-24-09, 02:33
Blossoming cherry trees will not grow well in warm mild climates. They may grow for a brief period of time before problems develop but they will not thrive. Blossoms will be weak and diseased falling readily with the first strong winds or rain. Cherry trees need strong bitter winters as part of their biological process to produce new spring growth and strong healthy blossoms with vibrate color.
Women are not unlike blossoming cherry trees. They need to undergo a certain amount of hardship and sacrifice before they can truly the hard work, dedication and generosity of a good man. In America everything is given to women starting from childhood through adolescence to adulthood. Like cherry trees without the tempering of the harsh winter cold they are unable to reach their full potential and create resilient beautiful blossoms. Instead the warmth of an environment where everything comes easy causes them to become weak and diseased. Their feeble pale blossoms fall into the mud with the first spring rains. It is this tempering effect that sets foreign women apart from their American counterparts.
Gentleman Travel
02-24-09, 17:18
Women are not unlike blossoming cherry trees. They need to undergo a certain amount of hardship and sacrifice before they can truly the hard work, dedication and generosity of a good man.
Very poetically said, Chocha Monger, and with more than a grain of truth.
This appears to be true equally of Eastern European women.
A decade ago, they had all known the bitter frosts of economic winter,
but those who budded into womanhood more recently had mostly
experienced only the promise of spring, and did not fully appreciate the
warmth of a Western man breezing into their lives.
Now that winter is upon them again, perhaps they will be more willing
to give up their cherries...
Thus the sage relationship advice I have read elsewhere on this site,
"Keep your women ill-shod and well-fucked."
I.E. don't let them forget that life is harsh and the good things flow (sparingly)
from the grace of Western Gods, in exchange for earthly pleasures.
http://cms.mgtow.net/
This is a good source of essays and info, debunking feminist dogma that was once fringe yet is now accepted as mainstream "truth".
Anyone hear the myth that the phrase "rule of thumb" originated as a description of the allowable dimensions of a stick for beating one's wife: "It must be no wider than one's thumb." That is total BS. It was concocted by a feminist 40 years ago. It has always been a carpenter's expression, in particular for fence builders.
I could do without all the right-wing progaganda on the site, but other than that there's some good information here.
http://cms.mgtow.net/
This is a good source of essays and info, debunking feminist dogma that was once fringe yet is now accepted as mainstream "truth"...Interesting site. Also read this: http://cms.mgtow.net/?q=node/41
Everything is explained.
And this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRuddCBnUrU
Chocha Monger
03-04-09, 01:38
Benjamin Franklin was a monger.
http://www.slate.com/id/2212640/?GT1=38001
Benjamin Franklin was a monger.
http://www.slate.com/id/2212640/?GT1=38001
CM man that was a crazy ass article good read. :D
Folks,
In the past several years, I have been traveled (business) to Asia quite a lot (especially in China). During the travel, I enjoyed hot-perfect young Asian body and the respect/fun from gals. Even in a restaurant, waitress is friendly and nice to chat with. (No sex involved)
For every trip, when I came back to you. S (right out of the airplane), I questioned myself, "Why women in US are so big (not taking care of themselves) relatively, and so b! Tchy". It is sad.
With the shitty economy situation, no more business travel. I miss China so much.
Just want to vent out my opinion deep from my heart.
Folks,
In the past several years, I have been traveled (business) to Asia quite a lot (especially in China). During the travel, I enjoyed hot-perfect young Asian body and the respect/fun from gals. Even in a restaurant, waitress is friendly and nice to chat with. (No sex involved)
For every trip, when I came back to you. S (right out of the airplane), I questioned myself, "Why women in US are so big (not taking care of themselves) relatively, and so b! Tchy". It is sad.
With the shitty economy situation, no more business travel. I miss China so much.
Just want to vent out my opinion deep from my heart.I could not agree more. I live in Tampa Florida. What a difference this place is compared to the Dominican Republic. In Tampa, the norm is big and bigger, . Man I feel sorry for those guys who are not aware of or are too scared to venture out of the country to see real natural beauty. I work for a company where there is about 150 women at our complex, and maybe 5 are attractive, the rest. Well, I guess if all these women are fat then they could careless if that's the norm.
This reminds me of a funny movie. Guys have you seen this movie? I do not remember the name of the movie. It was a sexual comedy about two singles that did not find the right ones. The movie starts with a couple having sex. He is on top and she asks "Deeper! Deeper! Deeper". He disappointedly says it's not that I am holding few inches from you. Another scene where his friends tell him about a good pick up restaurant full of prostitutes. Her friends tell her about the same restaurant. They both refuse the idea of their friends on the outside. At one night they both decide to visit this restaurant. He thinks she is a prostitute and goes with her. Then she drops him and tells him "I would not charge for this". He thinks even a prostitute won't charge him.
I think the actor is John Cusack and he used his way of speaking out his thoughts.
I think the actress Jenny Mccarthy.
Chocha Monger
03-10-09, 14:51
These movies put out by Hollywood on the men/women schism are not very realistic. They may be good for a laugh but that is all. You see, this is what they want you to believe. They want you to think that all the problems between men and women are simply due to different ways of thinking between genders. You should just laugh at yourself and blame conflicts with females on a misunderstanding between sexes.
Now were it not for the very real existence of a judicial and social system against men that deprives them of their children and ruins them financially such levity would be appropriate. When women use the courts to financially castrate men I don’t feel like laughing. When the courts give the women custody of the children but she refuses to comply with the court order for visitation but demands her child support payments I don’t see the humor in it. The courts treat visitation and nonpayment of child support as two separate issues. This facilitates this repugnant behavior by women. In fact, the child support system as it exists today actually encourages women to have bastard children from various men. Why not? She gets favorable treatment under tax laws (head of household filing status, earned income credit, etc.) and tax free child support payments that do not count as income in future child support cases.
Women have organizations and laws to protect them against men (violence against women, women’s rights, feminism, gender diversity, etc.) Yet men do not have organizations to protect themselves against women. Women batter men, abort their children and defraud them of their wealth via divorce courts but they would howl if men were to set up organizations to put an end to these things. They say that they want equality with men but still want you to give up your seat, open doors and pull out chairs. They don’t want to be equal with you. They want to rule you. That is the reality. Everyday the television puts out feminist propaganda. The main theme of “family shows” seems to be, “Dad is an idiot and he is always wrong. Mom is smart and she is always right.” You can laugh at this garbage but don’t be upset when you get treated like an idiot.
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