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sorry for the misunderstanding. i completely agree with you however i still wanna know the name of the movie ;). i have enjoyed it and i like sexual comedy movies. unfortunately, i do not know the name of the movie. i am not even sure of the actors. i think it's john cusack because you can hear his thoughts narrated.
these movies put out by hollywood on the men/women schism are not very realistic. they may be good for a laugh but that is all. you see, this is what they want you to believe. they want you to think that all the problems between men and women are simply due to different ways of thinking between genders. you should just laugh at yourself and blame conflicts with females on a misunderstanding between sexes.
now were it not for the very real existence of a judicial and social system against men that deprives them of their children and ruins them financially such levity would be appropriate. when women use the courts to financially castrate men i don’t feel like laughing. when the courts give the women custody of the children but she refuses to comply with the court order for visitation but demands her child support payments i don’t see the humor in it. the courts treat visitation and nonpayment of child support as two separate issues. this facilitates this repugnant behavior by women. in fact, the child support system as it exists today actually encourages women to have bastard children from various men. why not? she gets favorable treatment under tax laws (head of household filing status, earned income credit, etc.) and tax free child support payments that do not count as income in future child support cases.
women have organizations and laws to protect them against men (violence against women, women’s rights, feminism, gender diversity, etc.) yet men do not have organizations to protect themselves against women. women batter men, abort their children and defraud them of their wealth via divorce courts but they would howl if men were to set up organizations to put an end to these things. they say that they want equality with men but still want you to give up your seat, open doors and pull out chairs. they don’t want to be equal with you. they want to rule you. that is the reality. everyday the television puts out feminist propaganda. the main theme of “family shows” seems to be, “dad is an idiot and he is always wrong. mom is smart and she is always right.” you can laugh at this garbage but don’t be upset when you get treated like an idiot.
i read this a while ago somewhere but i find the article a great reading that's why i kept it:
i have found that american women are the most reverse sexist women in the world. they think their rep001 doesnt stink; it smells like ice cream. they expect men to pay for the privilege of being in their presence. they have the most rights of any human beings to ever live on the planet, yet they are still unhappy. they believe men conspire to pay them 76 cents on the dollar, [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) them, sexually harass them. they think that cooking or doing anything else nice for a man is slavery. so they will refuse to do it. they believe being argumentative and confrontational is what makes a strong woman. they prefer the frat boys, rich kids in bmws, and bad boys while theyre young and in their prime, then when they have 3 kids, sagging breasts, stretchmarks, varicose veins, they expect the nice men they ignored in their youth to come be a surrogate daddy to kids who arent his. american women complain that men are too aggressive in their approach. but if american women actually did their half of the work (initiating a conversation every once in a while or asking men out); if american women knew how to flirt (and meant it instead of flirting for attention then turning the guy down); if american women actually knew how to flirt instead of acting like cowards, then men wouldnt have to jump at the slightest sign of interest.
american women think their sexuality is worth more than men's. i know cause i've been to europe where women exchange sex.in- exchange for sex. here the women want to be impressed with both social and financial status before they will have sex with a man.
their ideal man is a rich excon/thug. they don't realize that these two are polar opposites. you hear women saying "i like bad boys", and in the same breath they will say "i just want a man who won't treat me like crap. " newsflash, sister. a bad boy will treat you like crap.
basically women don't have any social constraints on their behavior, because that is "oppressive", but it was for the good of everyone that women's behavior was regulated. men have violence, and there are laws against it. women have emotional terrorism, attention-whoring, acceptable prostitution, etc. these can not be legislated against. there must be social constraints against them. american society has convinced women that they are always right; that anything bad is a man's fault. so women will act free to do as they wish, with no consideration for anyone else.
i've come to realize that most american women have a princess mentality. this manifests itself when they need their "attention fix. " their parents fully convinced them that they were entitled to everything, and that few men are good enough for what they have.
american women will stare at you from across the room, smile, and gawk at you for hours. then when you approach one they will say they have a boyfriend. they will come up to you on a daily basis, rub your arm, smile and say hi,. then when you ask them to hang out they will say you got the wrong idea. they will initiate a conversation with you every time they see you for weeks, as if they're interested (yes i'm aware that it doesnt always mean theyre interested). they will exchange numbers with you and say "call me anytime. " then when you call and leave messages they won't answer. they won't call you either. or they will talk to you or date you a few times and you'll think everything's fine. then she will stop taking your calls. the next time you see her she's got her fat nose up in the air, laughing at you, as if she were some highly sought after prize.
since the victorian age, in anglo societies (us, uk, canada, oz, nz), women were put on a pedestal because they were the mothers of future generations. this was a probably a good idea at the time, because up to one-third of women died during child birth. so this inspired men's natural chilvarous nature to protect women. it is ok to put women on a pedestal as long as they are going to adhere to the rules of sexual constitution. not sleeping around. once a woman starts to sleep around, then her sex isn't of higher value than men's. the whole reason for putting women on a pedestal was because they would be mothers and they werent having sex with many men. the moment that women became sexually liberated, putting women on a pedestal should have been eliminated. but unfortunately women still hold onto the old notions that their sexuality is worth more than men's simply because theyre women. so they arent interested in a man who's on their level. no, a normal man is invisible. women want men who are many levels above them. but the women don't want to provide anything in return except for sex. this is in no way an equal partnership if one person brings more to the table and does most of the work while the other brings nothing and does no work.
as a result, women have almost nothing to offer men. except sex. they are no longer women, but instead walking caricatures of men in women's bodies. women are fully convinced of their moral superiority. just try disagreeing with one, especially if your opinion is not politically correct. you will find that you are no longer entitled to your own opinoin. in fact, you're an ignorant bastard, and you'd better change your opinion to fall in line with hers. these women have no problem with nagging, shaming, guilt tripping, insulting, withholding affection, etc to get their way. this is what happens when you convince women that they are always right; that women can do no wrong; that women are the ones who are really 'fair, just' etc.
the whole concept that a man should buy a woman a ring worth two months of his salary is further evidence of how degraded society is and how spoiled women are. in every other society, the father has to pay a dowry for the husband to accept his daughter. in america, women expect some diamond so she can impress her friends. that's fine, but is she going to spend $12, 000 on her husband? is she going to put $12, 000 down on the house?
i know some guys think certain western women are just as bad as american women. but in europe, being male isn't seen as being a crime as it is here in the states. women will automatically become more materialistic when their nation acculumates wealth (even in eastern countries, women's number one past-time is shopping). what is not natural is women thinking they are entitled to something just because they're women; that they are morally superior; that they should be catered to; that the man should always pay; that they are entitled to all the benefits of equality with none of the responsibilities and men should treat them in an old fashioned manner while the women snub that role.
i could go on forever.
ThatGuy865
03-11-09, 02:40
Is this the He-man woman hater club?
Could have fooled me.
DJ FourMoney
03-11-09, 18:33
Is this the He-man woman hater club?
Could have fooled me.
That would be it - http://2.bp.********.com/_eVeCCfKv8is/R1yjxZAKNAI/AAAAAAAABx0/MA2J9xSi00w/s400/d87++women-haters+club.jpg
DJ FourMoney
03-11-09, 19:25
sorry for the misunderstanding. i completely agree with you however i still wanna know the name of the movie ;). i have enjoyed it and i like sexual comedy movies. unfortunately, i do not know the name of the movie. i am not even sure of the actors. i think it's john cusack because you can hear his thoughts narrated.
i read this a while ago somewhere but i find the article a great reading that's why i kept it:
i have found that american women are the most reverse sexist women in the world. they think their rep001 doesnt stink; it smells like ice cream. they expect men to pay for the privilege of being in their presence. they have the most rights of any human beings to ever live on the planet, yet they are still unhappy. they believe men conspire to pay them 76 cents on the dollar, [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) them, sexually harass them. they think that cooking or doing anything else nice for a man is slavery. so they will refuse to do it. they believe being argumentative and confrontational is what makes a strong woman. they prefer the frat boys, rich kids in bmws, and bad boys while theyre young and in their prime, then when they have 3 kids, sagging breasts, stretchmarks, varicose veins, they expect the nice men they ignored in their youth to come be a surrogate daddy to kids who arent his. american women complain that men are too aggressive in their approach. but if american women actually did their half of the work (initiating a conversation every once in a while or asking men out); if american women knew how to flirt (and meant it instead of flirting for attention then turning the guy down); if american women actually knew how to flirt instead of acting like cowards, then men wouldnt have to jump at the slightest sign of interest.
american women think their sexuality is worth more than men's. i know cause i've been to europe where women exchange sex.in- exchange for sex. here the women want to be impressed with both social and financial status before they will have sex with a man.
their ideal man is a rich excon/thug. they don't realize that these two are polar opposites. you hear women saying "i like bad boys", and in the same breath they will say "i just want a man who won't treat me like crap. " newsflash, sister. a bad boy will treat you like crap.
basically women don't have any social constraints on their behavior, because that is "oppressive", but it was for the good of everyone that women's behavior was regulated. men have violence, and there are laws against it. women have emotional terrorism, attention-whoring, acceptable prostitution, etc. these can not be legislated against. there must be social constraints against them. american society has convinced women that they are always right; that anything bad is a man's fault. so women will act free to do as they wish, with no consideration for anyone else.
i've come to realize that most american women have a princess mentality. this manifests itself when they need their "attention fix. " their parents fully convinced them that they were entitled to everything, and that few men are good enough for what they have.
american women will stare at you from across the room, smile, and gawk at you for hours. then when you approach one they will say they have a boyfriend. they will come up to you on a daily basis, rub your arm, smile and say hi,. then when you ask them to hang out they will say you got the wrong idea. they will initiate a conversation with you every time they see you for weeks, as if they're interested (yes i'm aware that it doesnt always mean theyre interested). they will exchange numbers with you and say "call me anytime. " then when you call and leave messages they won't answer. they won't call you either. or they will talk to you or date you a few times and you'll think everything's fine. then she will stop taking your calls. the next time you see her she's got her fat nose up in the air, laughing at you, as if she were some highly sought after prize.
since the victorian age, in anglo societies (us, uk, canada, oz, nz), women were put on a pedestal because they were the mothers of future generations. this was a probably a good idea at the time, because up to one-third of women died during child birth. so this inspired men's natural chilvarous nature to protect women. it is ok to put women on a pedestal as long as they are going to adhere to the rules of sexual constitution. not sleeping around. once a woman starts to sleep around, then her sex isn't of higher value than men's. the whole reason for putting women on a pedestal was because they would be mothers and they werent having sex with many men. the moment that women became sexually liberated, putting women on a pedestal should have been eliminated. but unfortunately women still hold onto the old notions that their sexuality is worth more than men's simply because theyre women. so they arent interested in a man who's on their level. no, a normal man is invisible. women want men who are many levels above them. but the women don't want to provide anything in return except for sex. this is in no way an equal partnership if one person brings more to the table and does most of the work while the other brings nothing and does no work.
as a result, women have almost nothing to offer men. except sex. they are no longer women, but instead walking caricatures of men in women's bodies. women are fully convinced of their moral superiority. just try disagreeing with one, especially if your opinion is not politically correct. you will find that you are no longer entitled to your own opinoin. in fact, you're an ignorant bastard, and you'd better change your opinion to fall in line with hers. these women have no problem with nagging, shaming, guilt tripping, insulting, withholding affection, etc to get their way. this is what happens when you convince women that they are always right; that women can do no wrong; that women are the ones who are really 'fair, just' etc.
the whole concept that a man should buy a woman a ring worth two months of his salary is further evidence of how degraded society is and how spoiled women are. in every other society, the father has to pay a dowry for the husband to accept his daughter. in america, women expect some diamond so she can impress her friends. that's fine, but is she going to spend $12, 000 on her husband? is she going to put $12, 000 down on the house?
i know some guys think certain western women are just as bad as american women. but in europe, being male isn't seen as being a crime as it is here in the states. women will automatically become more materialistic when their nation acculumates wealth (even in eastern countries, women's number one past-time is shopping). what is not natural is women thinking they are entitled to something just because they're women; that they are morally superior; that they should be catered to; that the man should always pay; that they are entitled to all the benefits of equality with none of the responsibilities and men should treat them in an old fashioned manner while the women snub that role.
i could go on forever.
you could but you don't have too...
i will add that while european women can be just as much a shopper as any other woman, but its imprinted in america women.
what did wilma and betty say when they found some money from their husbands or there was some sale downtown -
"da da ta ta da... charrrrge it"
that was the early 1960's!
that's nothing check this out - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29572722/
she took over 9 million dollars from her companies books and people lost their jobs because they had to slash their budgets and layoff people, amazing!
but msnbc will spend hours talking about some poor slub from the deep south that took out 9 people before taking himself out. trust me, he was doing us a favor, they more than likely all voted for mccain and are card carrying racist republicans.
all this so she could buy 400 pairs of shoes????
she spent at least $240,000 on 400 pairs of shoes, $300,000 on designer clothing and 160 purses valued at $2,000 each, investigators allege. she also remodeled a bedroom into a closet with the chandelier and a 32-inch tv, they said.
"on a weekly basis yeomans would spend $25,000 on her credit card and then pay off the balance the following monday with company funds," said sgt. mark varnau of the sheriff's financial crimes unit.
let's face it the main reason many american males want to make alot of money to is make them more suitable for dating by the best looking women. being the biggest and the strongest of the tribe has been replaced by who has the biggest wallet.
what this financial downturn has exposed is just how false many of these fortunes are, usually built with credit cards and lines of credit.
i've said it before but its awful disturbing to see it live and in person. the worst looking women want the same thing as the best looking women do and reality says that's just not possible.
why should a woman in her 30's, 20-30lbs heavier than she was 10-12 years ago and a couple of kids should be entitled to the best men on offer in her area?
they should take the best of what's out there... they always give us the advice they should take themselves! if we go to south america or europe because we don't like the selection here, we are labeled losers.
it cost a vast sum of money to bring any honey you might find overseas back here. many would advise against attempting that, but that largely depends on how close you are with your family and weather you have the same career opportunities.
many times we take the time to learn the culture and language of gf's/wf's homeland. so being more an informed, cultured, content and happy human being is considered being a loser????
nevermind we usually pay cash for all the traveling, k-1 applications, moving, deposits and the like.
this is illogical thinking and women are illogical creatures, should this surprise you?
so the choice is yours; do you want to make a series of compromises and end up with about 60-70% of your ideal woman? or do you want to explore all options and use the vetting process to your advantage and come up with very few compromises and end up with 85-100% of your ideal woman?
american women don't realize they have a limited shelf life. after 30 half your prospective dating pool disappears. bad boys don't like older women, rich men don't have to date older women, so what are they left with? us and they don't like it and take it out on us....
ThatGuy865
03-12-09, 01:32
Either way you cut it. Women are women. You are not getting any better woman because she comes from south america or Asia.
Each woman is an individual. There are plenty of sexy, loving, giving American women. Don't fool yourselfs. Its not all the woman's fault. Some of you men should take look at your selfs.
Marriages of foreign born women end up in divorce just as often as marriages of american born couples. When dealing with people in general. Its hard to meet anyone you can spend 24/7 with for a long time, let alone the rest of your life.
But go ahead and rant. If it makes you feel better.
Either way you cut it. Women are women. You are not getting any better woman because she comes from south america or Asia.
Each woman is an individual. There are plenty of sexy, loving, giving American women. Don't fool yourselfs. Its not all the woman's fault. Some of you men should take look at your selfs.
Marriages of foreign born women end up in divorce just as often as marriages of american born couples. When dealing with people in general. Its hard to meet anyone you can spend 24/7 with for a long time, let alone the rest of your life.
But go ahead and rant. If it makes you feel better.Thatguy865, this is kinda contradictory. I have also seen some other persons' posts implying that people here are complaining too much, that there are so many great women available in USA. But the same persons continue travel to Europe, Asia or Latin America for girls.
If these guys, including yourself, are telling that women in USA are so good, why would they need to go to other countries? this just does not make any sense to travel to another country for a hooker, when you believe that women in the USA are so good. Of course I do not care what people do, but it is better to be consistent with what you say and do.
Anyways, in my opinion, it is about time to forget about AW, if people do not like them, why need to discuss them so much, like you care a lot about them, and figure out what's wrong. It does not do anything good to you. They will not change in the nearest future. Ignore them, like they do not exist. I just came back from a LA country(going back in a couple of weeks) and was surprised this conversation is still going on. There are much better things to do than discussing AW.
Humans are not perfect. Women are not but there is something out of the norm. Read the article again.
Humans are not perfect. Women are not but there is something out of the norm. Read the article again.Dr X Man, it's a good article, thank you.
Of course women(and men) are the same in a physical sense. But their behavior depends on the conditions they are put in. I do not understand why some people mix these. Some people like to say that women are the same no matter where you go. I believe it is not true at all. I have friends who have very traditional happy families in other countries. They(and women too) would not believe what people write here.
In USA also even foreign children get messed very fast. It is scary to have children in USA. Some people immigrate to USA, and after awhile their children are ready to call the police on their parents. There was a case when a little boy called police on his grandmother, she got arrested and dies from a heart attack, she did not know English and could not understand what's going on and why the police is taking her in handcuffs.
This is what they are taught in school. Imaging who they are going to become when grow up.
Gentleman Travel
03-12-09, 18:09
There are many reasons for the mismatch between power and quality, but part of it is a confidence game - girls know they are in the driver's seat in America (at a certain age) so they think they can make demands in return for their sexual favours - and they are largely correct. And since the cultural expectations and rules (laws) support them in this, it becomes a self-fulfilling situation.
Guys will do anything for pussy, when it is in short supply.
The beauty of travelling abroad is that in many countries demographics or economics put us in the driver's seat, and it becomes a whole different game.
This also gives us the confidence to call the bluff of American women and demand a better return on our investment. Of course, this only works if the woman is insecure or is bluffing. Those who live in blissful ignorance of their true (or relative) value will continue to assert their superiority and the only thing you can do with them is ignore them until they smarten up as their biological clocks run down.
When we are forced to shop the domestic market, we may have to live with the realities of that market place - the girl in photo A.
But the real crime is when the girl in photo B mistakes her worth in the marketplace and someone lets her get away with it!
This also gives us the confidence to call the bluff of American women and demand a better return on our investment. Of course, this only works if the woman is insecure or is bluffing. Those who live in blissful ignorance of their true (or relative) value will continue to assert their superiority and the only thing you can do with them is ignore them until they smarten up as their biological clocks run down.
This is absolutely correct, but incomplete. As DJ has said, by the time they smarten up, they are no longer desirable.
Taking that fact to its logical extreme. If they price themselves out of our reach when they are desirable, they end up making us look elsewhere. When they realize and accept their true value, they are no longer desirable and we look elsewhere. In both circumstances we look elsewhere for women. As Goga said, why are we discussing AWs, when we KNOW we need to look elsewhere?
DJ FourMoney
03-13-09, 08:40
This is absolutely correct, but incomplete. As DJ has said, by the time they smarten up, they are no longer desirable.
Taking that fact to its logical extreme. If they price themselves out of our reach when they are desirable, they end up making us look elsewhere. When they realize and accept their true value, they are no longer desirable and we look elsewhere. In both circumstances we look elsewhere for women. As Goga said, why are we discussing AWs, when we KNOW we need to look elsewhere?
This is true and we should stop beating the dead horse but I do admit it is a bit entertaining...
Its always nice to know when you have these thoughts and feelings about AW that your not alone and not the only one to experience the same thing.
What I wanna know is why a co-worker wants to go with me to TJ when he has a GF and gets laid on a regular basis and goes to strip clubs in between that????
My guess that his previous virgin girlfriend is otherwise a dead fish in bed, which I still wonder why some men demand their women be virgins in the first place...
Whatever the case, I'm going to make TJ a regular "thang" because holy hell I don't need another self-righteous 30something single mother to tell me I'm a loser when I live at home, while she's a dumb-ass for getting knocked up in the first place to that looser she calls her ex-husband...
This is true and we should stop beating the dead horse but I do admit it is a bit entertaining.
Whatever the case, I'm going to make TJ a regular "thang" because holy hell I don't need another self-righteous 30something single mother to tell me I'm a loser when I live at home, while she's a dumb-ass for getting knocked up in the first place to that looser she calls her ex-husband...DJ FourMoney, why don't you go to Brazil, check out a therma, and you will successfully forget that this nonsense AW creature ever exists.
http://cbs2.com/entertainment/Marilyn.Marilyn.Monroe.2.956746.html
A new photo of Marilyn Monroe has surfaced, found in the "Lost Collection" of William Travilla.
The photo was found in the "Lost Collection" of clothing designer William Travilla's, an Oscar-winning costumer who dressed nearly 300 starts in his illustrious career.
The new photo shows Marilyn, circa 1952, with Travilla and an unidentified Black man. The photo, coming on the heels of Marilyn's controversial nude photos, was scandalous at the time...a white starlet being photographed with a black man!) The man was often cropped out of the little seen photo. And the mystery remains...who was that man?
ThatGuy865
03-14-09, 02:21
G Fung,
I travel the world persuing women from everywhere. But just because I do doesn't mean I don't like american women. Hell I eat sushi every once in awhile. That doesn't mean I stopped liking my good ole Steak and potatoes.
Its called a vacation. And I like to fuck when I'm on vacation. When I'm not on vacation. I date american women. I have taken AW on vacations and had great times. Cabo, Cancun. I only monger because its more expeditous when you're on vacation by yourself or with the fellas, you don't have time to talk the panties off.
In the States I rarely monger.
http://cbs2.com/entertainment/Marilyn.Marilyn.Monroe.2.956746.html
A new photo of Marilyn Monroe has surfaced, found in the "Lost Collection" of William Travilla.
The photo was found in the "Lost Collection" of clothing designer William Travilla's, an Oscar-winning costumer who dressed nearly 300 starts in his illustrious career.
The new photo shows Marilyn, circa 1952, with Travilla and an unidentified Black man. The photo, coming on the heels of Marilyn's controversial nude photos, was scandalous at the time...a white starlet being photographed with a black man!) The man was often cropped out of the little seen photo. And the mystery remains...who was that man?
I heard that there was a photo of Monroe giving a BJ to a man, whose face was out of the picture. J. Edgar Hoover was said to have spent years trying to prove the man getting blown was John F. Kennedy.
PanamaJack
03-16-09, 06:34
This is pretty f!cking funny, western girls living in China ranting about western guys in China!!!
http://chinadirt.********.com/
quote:"All these Oh-so-appealing guys are known as LBH's or "Losers Back Home." These LBHs however find sanctuary in the welcoming (and not-so-picky) arms of the Chinese girls here. A big "I'm Sorry" to all the sensible and awesome Chinese girls out there but you know that it's the stupid ones that ruin it for everyone."
Reason enough to keep traveling overseas my friend!!!
Anyone checking out the new show about screwed up AW trying to trap a man? It is called tough love and it is on VH1 on Sundays. It gives me the willies to think that I've been wasting my time chasing the typically empty headed AW. It is a funny show though.
This is a post from the Brazilian thread:
I did not pay attention to AW in Brazil (could not even think of it), but this guy had to watch them and that's pretty much explains why it's difficult to date AW. They might be pretty outside but when they open their mouth, it's a total turn off. And what's worse, many foreign women in USA try to copy them.
I am at the hotel breakfast with my girl and notice a fat, ugly, poorly dressed young woman eating her cereal while she was waiting in line. My first thought, she must be American. This was confirmed when we sat down four tables away and could hear everything she was saying because she was talking three times louder than anyone else. She was complaining to her equally fat, ugly and poorly dressed female friend how all the guys hit on her. (Only if she had food).
Next, a table of four American girls sat down. No one fat or ugly this time – they were all pretty hot. Then they opened their mouths. Only twice as loud as everyone else. However, nothing but a round robin b-i-t-c-h session. Then I looked at their expressions. All frowns and scowls. One of the girls was taking things like sugar from another table and throwing what she didn’t want back. Her attitude clearly was – I own this place.
My girl had to leave for work and asked me if I could do an errand for her while she was gone. Had that been an American woman, it would have been a demand and started with “You need to.”
These women wonder why American men travel to Brazil. They only have to look in the mirror (a full-length one). A tape recorder also might come in handy.
Someone needs to write about that in Essence magazine.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=859085&postcount=1028
Sorry, but since this is the catch all thread...
Have any of you noticed a change in the attitude of women due to the recession? This goes for American women and foreign women.
I read an article in the Post a few weeks ago and it mentioned how women are lowering their standards due to the economic depression.
Has anyone used sites like sugar dady.com or millionaire man.com...the girls seem very good looking and some want between $1500-$3000 a month...not bad for a grade A American chick...and as someone who messes with Grade A EE women this price is rather reasonable.
Are there more women engaged in the sex trade now as a result of the econ downturn? Is there better service? or are they just charging more the way developing people do to make up for lost income?
Thanks.
Sorry, but since this is the catch all thread...
Have any of you noticed a change in the attitude of women due to the recession? This goes for American women and foreign women.
I read an article in the Post a few weeks ago and it mentioned how women are lowering their standards due to the economic depression.
Has anyone used sites like sugar dady.com or millionaire man.com...the girls seem very good looking and some want between $1500-$3000 a month...not bad for a grade A American chick...and as someone who messes with Grade A EE women it this price is somewhat of a bargain.
Are there more women engaged in the sex trade now as a result of the econ downturn? Is there better service? or are they just charging more the way developing people do to make up for lost income?
Thanks.
Thought you died from a mutant form of the clap. Missed your weird but extremely articulate posts. Welcome back to the board.
Thought you died from a mutant form of the clap. Missed your weird but extremely articulate posts. Welcome back to the board.
Nah..
Weird??? Maybe...argumentive but I wouldn't be apt to use the term weird to describe my missives.
Maybe.
I heard some ungreatful SOB was writing smack about me on ISG after I showed him around a spot so I wanted to see for myself.
Been working like crazy... 14-19 hours a day for six weeks..
I see you girls are still bitchin' bout 'merican broads as always:)
Chocha Monger
03-21-09, 00:09
From what I’ve heard American women are getting a bit more aggressive but not necessarily lowering their standards. One of my friends had his female property manager start calling him up to make small talk at night. She even offered to accompany him on a shopping trip. He did not give her his phone number so she obviously pulled it from his housing application. He is located in an area hard hit by the recession but happens to be one of the lucky ones because he makes good money in a resilient industry. After analyzing the situation it appears that property manager decided to pursue him after getting a good look at his income verification and credit report. I warned him not to mess with her because she is married and has access to his apartment. Anyway, he seemed pretty smitten with her looks so there is no telling whether or not he will heed the warning.
On the other hand immigrant women in the service industry seem to be getting friendlier. Perhaps the increased competition for jobs from US citizens is pushing them out of work or making them more concerned about getting pushed out. If that is the case then having an American boyfriend to help with the bills is certainly an attractive insurance policy especially if they have no family in the country.
James Bond 007
03-21-09, 00:28
I am sure there are many American women affected by the economic downturn turning to other revenue sources to pay their mortgage/rent and feed their family. They may be slightly older than your typical working girl and more like the soccer mom that you see in your middle-class suburbs.
Sorry, but since this is the catch all thread...
Have any of you noticed a change in the attitude of women due to the recession? This goes for American women and foreign women.
I read an article in the Post a few weeks ago and it mentioned how women are lowering their standards due to the economic depression.
Has anyone used sites like sugar dady.com or millionaire man.com...the girls seem very good looking and some want between $1500-$3000 a month...not bad for a grade A American chick...and as someone who messes with Grade A EE women this price is rather reasonable.
Are there more women engaged in the sex trade now as a result of the econ downturn? Is there better service? or are they just charging more the way developing people do to make up for lost income?
Thanks.
From what I’ve heard American women are getting a bit more aggressive but not necessarily lowering their standards. One of my friends had his female property manager start calling him up to make small talk at night. She even offered to accompany him on a shopping trip. He did not give her his phone number so she obviously pulled it from his housing application. He is located in an area hard hit by the recession but happens to be one of the lucky ones because he makes good money in a resilient industry. After analyzing the situation it appears that property manager decided to pursue him after getting a good look at his income verification and credit report. I warned him not to mess with her because she is married and has access to his apartment. Anyway, he seemed pretty smitten with her looks so there is no telling whether or not he will heed the warning.
On the other hand immigrant women in the service industry seem to be getting friendlier. Perhaps the increased competition for jobs from US citizens is pushing them out of work or making them more concerned about getting pushed out. If that is the case then having an American boyfriend to help with the bills is certainly an attractive insurance policy especially if they have no family in the country.
They exploiting us for money and we are exploiting them for pussy. Is everyone really happy with this set up?
well, it is now six years since i bailed out of the us and i gotta say, for anyone who really feels that sex is an important part of their life, it's the only way to go. is it risky? yes. do you have balls? then take the risk. are there some adjustments to be made, some problems that come up, and some bumps in the road? yes. is it a challenge to make a living? yes, but even with the recent melt-down i am a bit ahead from where i was when i left, financially. are you limited only to p4p? no, if you can speak or learn the language. it's true i had an advantage by already knowing another language but that's just an indictment of the us educational system. yeah, us universities "require a foreign language" in most cases but it's not enough. two semesters with little emphasis on actual conversation? get serious. more and more are even accepting sign language as a "foreign" language for christ's fucking sake. only in english-speaking countries can a monolingual person be considered "well educated."
essentially i've become convinced that the problem is not so much "american women" as it is the typical work-centric, stress-filled, overly demanding us lifestyle with all the commuting and trying to backstab one's way up the corporate ladder. everybody bitches about how fat aws are but ams are just as fat, right? sex is just too far down on everybody's list of priorities in the us after a while. money, image, consumer goods, and television are more important.
fuck all that shit! i live like a king on $2k us per month and i am going to screw until my dick falls off, drink until my liver fails, and smoke weed until i light myself on fire. i'm gonna have oral sex and anal sex and pussy sex and when i get sick of that i will go for the nose and the ears. i'm going to screw brown women and black women and white women and yellow women and pink women. i'm gonna screw 'em in my bed and in the shower and on the floor and in the pool and on the dining room table and bent over the laundry sink. i'm gonna hit 'em from on top and from the bottom and from the side and in various contorted and scissors-like positions. i'm gonna cum in their faces and on their tits and in their hair and between their toes.
i'm gonna fuck 'em in cheerleader outfits and blindfolded and tied up and with scarves tied around their necks (a latina favorite) and with bunny ears on. i'm gonna fuck 'em 2 and 3 at a time and i am going to fuck their sisters and their mothers and their daughters and their cousins. then they are going to leave with some money and i will have no further obligations and i can get drunk and burp and fart and cuss as much as i want. maybe some of you will last longer than i will but quality of life is better than quantity of life. i bet i can last 20 more years and nail another thousand or so.
no nagging. no ball busting boss. no prescription required. no warning labels. no [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131) or screaming brats.
no worries!
peace out!
Thecandyman
03-21-09, 12:30
dickhead. i nominate that as post of the year.
i feel the same way as you do. i learned a few years ago that the so called "american dream" is some huge myth to keep you in the rat race buying that big house, 2 big cars, trapped in a job you hate, marriage you can't stand and you do it all for the "image" that you are considered successful.
it's a myth and after you accomplish all that, you are stressed out, financially handcuffed to making payments to everything that you do not need or want for the next 30 years.
when i found out what really made me happy.
i scaled myself down to living in a low cost of living city where i pay $440. 00 per month for a 1 bedroom apartment in a midclass neighborhood. personally i am happy with just a tv, couch, bed, computer, air condition but that is just me.
i bought a car off craigslist for $2, 000 and i have no car note. may not be a bmw but it aint a bucket either.
i stopped using credit cards. i only use debit cards. if i can't buy it for cash, then i can't afford it period.
i just pay my cable and internet bill, cell phone bill, gas bill and after that all that money is left over so that i can travel the world every month chasing ass.
i too live like a king in other countries. i travel to brazil almost monthly. no need to have one girlfriend in the united states of no getting ass when i can have girlfriends who are 10s from every other city that i touch down in.
i often tell women in the states that they have no idea how really good they have it here. i often tell my male friend that they have no idea how bad they have it here.
don't be trapped by this image that you must maintain for others to think you are successful. hit the reset button. find out what really makes you happy. (for me fucking different beautiful women)
eliminate the money draining ego driven things that you have bought or women that constantly nag you for things that do nothing for you but stress you and start living.
i have never been so happy and do not think i will ever change.
the candy man
well, it is now six years since i bailed out of the us and i have to say, for anyone who really feels that sex is an important part of their life, it's the only way to go. is it risky? yes. do you have balls? then take the risk. are there some adjustments to be made, some problems that come up, and some bumps in the road? yes. is it a challenge to make a living? yes, but even with the recent melt-down i am a bit ahead from where i was when i left, financially. are you limited only to p4p? no, if you can speak or learn the language. it's true i had an advantage by already knowing another language but that's just an indictment of the us educational system. yeah, us universities "require a foreign language" in most cases but it's not enough. two semesters with little emphasis on actual conversation? get serious. more and more are even accepting sign language as a "foreign" language for christ's fucking sake. only in english-speaking countries can a monolingual person be considered "well educated. "
essentially i've become convinced that the problem is not so much "american women" as it is the typical work-centric, stress-filled, overly demanding us lifestyle with all the commuting and trying to backstab one's way up the corporate ladder. everybody bitches about how fat aws are but ams are just as fat, right? sex is just too far down on everybody's list of priorities in the us after a while. money, image, consumer goods, and television are more important.
fuck all that shit! i live like a king on $2k us per month and i am going to screw until my dick falls off, drink until my liver fails, and smoke weed until i light myself on fire. i'm gonna have oral sex and anal sex and pussy sex and when i get sick of that i will go for the nose and the ears. i'm going to screw brown women and black women and white women and yellow women and pink women. i'm gonna screw 'them in my bed and in the shower and on the floor and in the pool and on the dining room table and bent over the laundry sink. i'm gonna hit 'them from on top and from the bottom and from the side and in various contorted and scissors-like positions. i'm gonna cum in their faces and on their tits and in their hair and between their toes.
i'm gonna fuck 'them in cheerleader outfits and blindfolded and tied up and with scarves tied around their necks (a latina favorite) and with bunny ears on. i'm gonna fuck 'them 2 and 3 at a time and i am going to fuck their sisters and their mothers and their daughters and their cousins. then they are going to leave with some money and i will have no further obligations and i can get drunk and burp and fart and cuss as much as i want. maybe some of you will last longer than i will but quality of life is better than quantity of life. i bet i can last 20 more years and nail another thousand or so.
no nagging. no ball busting boss. no prescription required. no warning labels. no [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131) or screaming brats.
no worries!
peace out!
I am sure there are many American women affected by the economic downturn turning to other revenue sources to pay their mortgage/rent and feed their family. They may be slightly older than your typical working girl and more like the soccer mom that you see in your middle-class suburbs.
yeah, but is this parlaying into easier pussy? i don't mean out-and-out hooking by American women but more like EE or LA sponsorship--however informal or unstated it may be in the USA.
Have any of you noticed a change in the attitude of women due to the recession? This goes for American women and foreign women.
I read an article last week in Bloomberg that Japanese women are searching for husbands specifically in order improve their financial situations.
So I would say YES!!!! The recession is changing (some) women's attitudes.
Chocha Monger
03-22-09, 00:55
For you married minded mongers, Chengdude is about to divorce his pretty Chinese wife. Perhaps one of you can take her in and save a trip abroad. :D
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=860736&postcount=2492
Being a "marriage-minded monger" is about the most dangerous thing I can think of.
For you married minded mongers, Chengdude is about to divorce his pretty Chinese wife. Perhaps one of you can take her in and save a trip abroad. :D
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=860736&postcount=2492
Man I read the post and it’s amazing another guy walks away probably from a great woman for the filth we brag about on these boards. Rapper Idi Amin said it best when he said “We all will be consumed by the same things we lust for.”
Shit but whatever floats his boat.
Man I read the post and it’s amazing another guy walks away probably from a great woman for the filth we brag about on these boards. Rapper Idi Amin said it best when he said “We all will be consumed by the same things we lust for.”
Shit but whatever floats his boat.
FYI, all she want's is the Green Card.
Being a "marriage-minded monger" is about the most dangerous thing I can think of.
I agree, this types of marriages don't last.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090323/ap_on_bi_ge/economy_adult_entertainment
chicago – as a bartender and trainer at a national restaurant chain, rebecca brown earned a couple thousand dollars in a really good week. now, as a dancer at chicago's pink monkey gentleman's club, she makes almost that much in one good night.
the tough job market is prompting a growing number of women across the country to dance in strip clubs, appear in adult movies or pose for magazines like hustler.
employers across the adult entertainment industry say they're seeing an influx of applications from women who, like brown, are attracted by the promise of flexible schedules and fast cash. many have college degrees and held white-collar jobs until the economy soured.
"you're seeing a lot more beautiful women who are eligible to do so many other things," said gus poulos, general manager of new york city's sin city gentleman's club. he said he got 85 responses in just one day to a recent job posting on craigslist.
the transition to the nightclub scene isn't always a smooth one — from learning to dance in five-inch heels to dealing with the jeers of some customers.
some performers said they were initially so nervous that only alcohol could calm their nerves.
"it is like giving a speech, but instead of imagining everyone naked, you're the one who's naked," brown, 29, said.
eva stone, a 25-year-old dancer at the pink monkey, said dealing with occasional verbal abuse from patrons requires "a thick skin."
makers of adult films cautioned that women shouldn't rush into the decision to make adult movies without considering the effect on their lives.
"once you decide to be an adult actress, it impacts your relationship with everyone," said steven hirsch, co-chairman of adult film giant vivid entertainment group. "once you make an adult film, it never goes away."
the women at the pink monkey say dancing at a strip club might not have been their first career choice, but they entered the business with their eyes wide open. the job gives them more control and flexibility than sitting in a cubicle, and "it's easy, it's fun and all of us girls ... look out for each other," brown said.
in this economy, "desperate measures are becoming far more acceptable," said jonathan alpert, a new york city-based psychotherapist who's had clients who worked in adult entertainment.
for some, dancing is temporary, a way to pay for college loans or other bills. others say they've found their niche.
dancers at the upscale rick's caberet clubs in new york city and miami can make $100,000 to $300,000 a year — in cash — even with the economic downturn, club spokesman allan priaulx said.
priaulx said 20 to 30 women a week are applying for jobs at the new york club, double the number of a year ago.
still, analysts say, the industry isn't immune to the economic recession. business is down an estimated 30 percent across all segments, including adult films, gentleman's clubs, magazines and novelty shops, said paul fishbein, president of avn media network, an adult entertainment company that has a widely distributed trade publication and an award show.
"in the past, people have said this industry is recession-proof," said eric wold, director of research for financial services firm merriman curhan ford. "i definitely don't see that; maybe recession-resistant."
strip club dancers and managers said they're drawing in the same number of customers, but fewer high rollers.
"they're not getting the big spenders," said angelina spencer, executive director of the association of club executives, a trade group for adult nightclubs. "they're not getting the guys who come in and drop $3,000 to $4,000 a night anymore."
still, the clubs' operating structure leaves them with low overhead and profit margins of up to 50 percent, wold said.
dancers are independent contractors, paying clubs a nightly flat fee depending on how long they work. at the pink monkey, for example, dancers who arrive at 7 p.m. sunday through thursday pay a $40 "house fee," while women who don't arrive until midnight pay $90. and they keep their tips.
wold and others say it's almost impossible to estimate the size of the adult entertainment industry because few companies are publicly traded. he does pay close attention to three that are: lakewood, colo.-based vcg holding and houston-based rick's caberet, which own clubs, and new frontier media, a boulder, colo.-based adult film producer and distributor.
all three are profitable.
rick's caberet had $60 million in revenue in its 2008 fiscal year, up from $32 million the year before, wold said, and he estimates vcg will have $57 million for last year, compared with $40.5 million in fy2007. new frontier media generates more than $400 million in consumer buying a year.
larry flynt, whose half-billion dollar hustler empire publishes magazines, produces and distributes films and operates a casino, said he's continued to do well. but he doesn't expect those who are solely in the film business to survive.
"a lot of the small studios are out of business now, there's no doubt about that," flynt said.
adult magazines also are struggling along with the larger publishing industry, and have to cut pages like everyone else.
but the economic realities aren't keeping jobseekers away.
vivid entertainment's hirsch said the number of women in his business has doubled in the last couple years, with roughly 800 working as adult actresses. "it is more competitive than i've seen it in 25 years," he said.
that doesn't mean all the newcomers are planning on lengthy careers in the industry.
stone, who has a bachelor's degree in graphic design, took up dancing four years ago to help pay her student loans. she plans to go to graduate school this year to pursue a master's in education.
brown, meanwhile, has a ready answer for those critical of her career choice.
"i have job security," she said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090323/ap_on_bi_ge/economy_adult_entertainment
chicago – as a bartender and trainer at a national restaurant chain, rebecca brown earned a couple thousand dollars in a really good week. now, as a dancer at chicago's pink monkey gentleman's club, she makes almost that much in one good night.
the tough job market is prompting a growing number of women across the country to dance in strip clubs, appear in adult movies or pose for magazines like hustler.
employers across the adult entertainment industry say they're seeing an influx of applications from women who, like brown, are attracted by the promise of flexible schedules and fast cash. many have college degrees and held white-collar jobs until the economy soured.
"you're seeing a lot more beautiful women who are eligible to do so many other things," said gus poulos, general manager of new york city's sin city gentleman's club. he said he got 85 responses in just one day to a recent job posting on craigslist.
the transition to the nightclub scene isn't always a smooth one — from learning to dance in five-inch heels to dealing with the jeers of some customers.
some performers said they were initially so nervous that only alcohol could calm their nerves.
"it is like giving a speech, but instead of imagining everyone naked, you're the one who's naked," brown, 29, said.
eva stone, a 25-year-old dancer at the pink monkey, said dealing with occasional verbal abuse from patrons requires "a thick skin."
makers of adult films cautioned that women shouldn't rush into the decision to make adult movies without considering the effect on their lives.
"once you decide to be an adult actress, it impacts your relationship with everyone," said steven hirsch, co-chairman of adult film giant vivid entertainment group. "once you make an adult film, it never goes away."
the women at the pink monkey say dancing at a strip club might not have been their first career choice, but they entered the business with their eyes wide open. the job gives them more control and flexibility than sitting in a cubicle, and "it's easy, it's fun and all of us girls ... look out for each other," brown said.
in this economy, "desperate measures are becoming far more acceptable," said jonathan alpert, a new york city-based psychotherapist who's had clients who worked in adult entertainment.
for some, dancing is temporary, a way to pay for college loans or other bills. others say they've found their niche.
dancers at the upscale rick's caberet clubs in new york city and miami can make $100,000 to $300,000 a year — in cash — even with the economic downturn, club spokesman allan priaulx said.
priaulx said 20 to 30 women a week are applying for jobs at the new york club, double the number of a year ago.
still, analysts say, the industry isn't immune to the economic recession. business is down an estimated 30 percent across all segments, including adult films, gentleman's clubs, magazines and novelty shops, said paul fishbein, president of avn media network, an adult entertainment company that has a widely distributed trade publication and an award show.
"in the past, people have said this industry is recession-proof," said eric wold, director of research for financial services firm merriman curhan ford. "i definitely don't see that; maybe recession-resistant."
strip club dancers and managers said they're drawing in the same number of customers, but fewer high rollers.
"they're not getting the big spenders," said angelina spencer, executive director of the association of club executives, a trade group for adult nightclubs. "they're not getting the guys who come in and drop $3,000 to $4,000 a night anymore."
still, the clubs' operating structure leaves them with low overhead and profit margins of up to 50 percent, wold said.
dancers are independent contractors, paying clubs a nightly flat fee depending on how long they work. at the pink monkey, for example, dancers who arrive at 7 p.m. sunday through thursday pay a $40 "house fee," while women who don't arrive until midnight pay $90. and they keep their tips.
wold and others say it's almost impossible to estimate the size of the adult entertainment industry because few companies are publicly traded. he does pay close attention to three that are: lakewood, colo.-based vcg holding and houston-based rick's caberet, which own clubs, and new frontier media, a boulder, colo.-based adult film producer and distributor.
all three are profitable.
rick's caberet had $60 million in revenue in its 2008 fiscal year, up from $32 million the year before, wold said, and he estimates vcg will have $57 million for last year, compared with $40.5 million in fy2007. new frontier media generates more than $400 million in consumer buying a year.
larry flynt, whose half-billion dollar hustler empire publishes magazines, produces and distributes films and operates a casino, said he's continued to do well. but he doesn't expect those who are solely in the film business to survive.
"a lot of the small studios are out of business now, there's no doubt about that," flynt said.
adult magazines also are struggling along with the larger publishing industry, and have to cut pages like everyone else.
but the economic realities aren't keeping jobseekers away.
vivid entertainment's hirsch said the number of women in his business has doubled in the last couple years, with roughly 800 working as adult actresses. "it is more competitive than i've seen it in 25 years," he said.
that doesn't mean all the newcomers are planning on lengthy careers in the industry.
stone, who has a bachelor's degree in graphic design, took up dancing four years ago to help pay her student loans. she plans to go to graduate school this year to pursue a master's in education.
brown, meanwhile, has a ready answer for those critical of her career choice.
"i have job security," she said.
this is what i was asking about.
I've known enough strippers in Toronto, and observed their success rate at getting the guys into the VIP booth (that's the only way they make money, and the house usually takes a piece if it is paid by VISA), and no way do these broads make $1, 000. $2, 000 per night. More often then not, they wind up empty as the guys will only spring for $40 table dance, maybe a couple of those, and that only pays the floor fee. A really good night they might bag a winner and make $700. $800 from that guy, probably only Friday/Saturday night. At the For Your Eyes Only in TO, probably the highest end strip club, there will be about 50 girls and maybe 20. 30 guys, and I have had no problem getting a phone # (I tend to be one of the medium priced baggers), and they'll tell me they've had nothing for days. They might be lying, to be sure, but if so, I don't think they'd be so forward with the number if getting a guy in the VIP booth was so easy.
Chocha Monger
03-24-09, 15:46
Man I read the post and it’s amazing another guy walks away probably from a great woman for the filth we brag about on these boards. Rapper Idi Amin said it best when he said “We all will be consumed by the same things we lust for.”
Shit but whatever floats his boat.
Chengdude provided some clarity on why he decided to walk away from his beautiful China doll. I think it proves the old adage that "beauty is only skin deep." He makes a strong case for living the lifestyle and choosing the road less traveled.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=861501&postcount=2509
Chocha Monger
03-24-09, 16:04
Meat Loaf serves up a dish of reality to the American man and tells him to "go hide in the corner!" In lieu of "father's rights" the American male is given only three choices by the US code of justice, financial castration, incarceration or self-castration (i.e. vasectomy). The citizen is the property of the State and even beyond the borders of his nation he must render onto Caesar the things that are Caesar's. Think you can ignore the fight for men's rights at home and run off to Paradise while keeping US citizenship? Read this.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=862005&postcount=155
This is pretty f!cking funny, western girls living in China ranting about western guys in China!!!
http://chinadirt.********.com/
quote:"All these Oh-so-appealing guys are known as LBH's or "Losers Back Home." These LBHs however find sanctuary in the welcoming (and not-so-picky) arms of the Chinese girls here. A big "I'm Sorry" to all the sensible and awesome Chinese girls out there but you know that it's the stupid ones that ruin it for everyone."
Although I'm unable to read this article, my comments on this quote is that chances are that if he's travelling abroad, he's not the LBH this self-assigned judge of men thinks he is. As for myself, I don't like American women. Never did; never will.
I find American women similar to European women in attitude, especially when they're young. Where they differ is that it seems that the older American women get, the more self-absorbed they become. They are unable to handle their power that beauty brings them and they are even worse at handling their loss of it. Ultimately, they become bitter and they have to steal their self respect from elsewhere because they have learned nothing.
I had a Nigerian woman recently tell me something I never thought of. Its so ridiculous but so true. "If you believe nothing else I ever say to you, just believe this one point. I'm a woman; this is the truth. If you want to make a woman angry with you, just show her you're happy."
Gentleman Travel
03-24-09, 16:40
I've known enough strippers in Toronto, and observed their success rate at getting the guys into the VIP booth (that's the only way they make money, and the house usually takes a piece if it is paid by VISA), and no way do these broads make $1, 000. $2, 000 per night. More often then not, they wind up empty as the guys will only spring for $40 table dance, maybe a couple of those, and that only pays the floor fee. A really good night they might bag a winner and make $700. $800 from that guy, probably only Friday/Saturday night. At the For Your Eyes Only in TO, probably the highest end strip club, there will be about 50 girls and maybe 20. 30 guys, and I have had no problem getting a phone # (I tend to be one of the medium priced baggers), and they'll tell me they've had nothing for days.
I agree with your remarks about the $$ strippers make. That article sounded like BS - mostly stripping in the US is lower yield than in Canada because of g-string laws (i.e. fewer states offer lap dancing or full contact - at least the states I travel). Plus guys are sticking dollar bills in their bras and g-strings - but a handful of dollar bills still just adds up to $10-20!
You say you get phone numbers from TO strippers - what is the deal for follow-up? How much to they charge?
I haven't done stripper-take-out for years, but it was always very expensive and mediocre. First most girls were not open to an approach until you had spent a fair bit of money in the club (worried about LE). Then they were asking a lot to come back to my hotel, and even then it was not until 2:00 am or whenever they got off work. Then they would ask for the money and a tip before they started!
So I find strippers to be very expensive entertainment. After burning through several $20 table dances you could have an escort girl. Are you finding it different? A better experience in some way?
GT
Meat Loaf serves up a dish of reality to the American man and tells him to "go hide in the corner!" In lieu of "father's rights" the American male is given only three choices by the US code of justice, financial castration, incarceration or self-castration (i.e. vasectomy). The citizen is the property of the State and even beyond the borders of his nation he must render onto Caesar the things that are Caesar's. Think you can ignore the fight for men's rights at home and run off to Paradise while keeping US citizenship? Read this.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=862005&postcount=155
Hello,
I'm Meat Loaf in Nicaragua and have noticed that posters on this thread have also starting posting on my thread. I want to say thank you.
Not many posters earn my immediate respect, but Chocha Monger and Tung in Ecuador are two. Sorry if I didn't list your name, but I only write and don't follow or read other threads. I'm selfish!
Thank Guys and Keep up the good communication!
One disadvantage of drugged SW's is they are not passionate. Stones
Have you seen this?
http://youporn.com/watch/216655/you-college-bath-fuck-2
That article sounded like BS - mostly stripping in the US is lower yield than in Canada because of g-string laws (i.e. fewer states offer lap dancing or full contact - at least the states I travel). Plus guys are sticking dollar bills in their bras and g-strings - but a handful of dollar bills still just adds up to $10-20!
You say you get phone numbers from TO strippers - what is the deal for follow-up? How much to they charge?
I haven't done stripper-take-out for years, but it was always very expensive and mediocre. First most girls were not open to an approach until you had spent a fair bit of money in the club (worried about LE). Then they were asking a lot to come back to my hotel, and even then it was not until 2:00 am or whenever they got off work. Then they would ask for the money and a tip before they started!
So I find strippers to be very expensive entertainment. After burning through several $20 table dances you could have an escort girl. Are you finding it different? A better experience in some way?
GT
But you do not know if the stripper is also druggie. I dated a stripper and she was an escort too. It was the best sex I have ever had.
Gt,
Thanks for the comments. Like anything else, it has been hit and miss, usually when I get a number, I make no effort to try and hit them up for a TLN, I treat it as a date. I wined and dined a couple of them (got nothing! ), met a few for coffee, and had a good time with one off and on for about six months. I don't live in TO, but go several times a year, even so, keeping up that kind of relationship peters out after a while. My point of the post was that there is a helluva lot of competition in those clubs for the buck, and when they think they might nail a steady customer, they are very willing to stay in touch. Logic would suggest that if they were making the big bucks every night, they would blow me off, instead of doing that.
Meat Loaf serves up a dish of reality to the American man and tells him to "go hide in the corner!" In lieu of "father's rights" the American male is given only three choices by the US code of justice, financial castration, incarceration or self-castration (i.e. vasectomy). The citizen is the property of the State and even beyond the borders of his nation he must render onto Caesar the things that are Caesar's. Think you can ignore the fight for men's rights at home and run off to Paradise while keeping US citizenship? Read this.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=862005&postcount=155
Read that shit too. The guy makes having a kid by an American women sound like a Stephen King Novel...wow!
I would work on reading comprehension, Illogic. He's not talking about having a kid by an AW. He's talking about American men knocking up foreign women, and then the foreign women siccing the US dogs on them.
When I was in my early 30s and had a good government job, I was fucking this chick who had a biker boyfriend. I was sorta getting off on the danger of all of that, and so forth. Anyway he showed up at my house one night. We had never met but I knew who he was because of my job. When I realized it was him, I just booked over the back fence and did not come back until the next day, and then I blew her off.
So a few months later she contacted me and told me she was pregnant. I told her there was no way it was mine. Keep in mind that because of my job, I knew she had this BF but she had never told me about him, and I never told her about him coming to my house because I never talked to her after that.
She insisted it was mine. I told her to F.O.A.D. and refused further contact. She hired a lawyer and filed a paternity suit. I did not hire a lawyer and showed up for the initial hearing with:
1) The bill for my vasectomy 6-7 years previously
2) A current urologist's report showing a zero sperm count, and
3) A subpoena to small claims court to compensate me for my time, trouble, lost wages, and so forth, for the maximum amount, which was then $1500 in my state, and an unrelated party to serve said subpoena.
Her attorney turned beet red and wanted to know why I had never told her I had had a vasectomy.
"She never asked me!"
The judge (a woman) then asked if I would withdraw my small claims suit if she withdrew her paternity suit. I said no way. The judge then asked to see her and her attorney in chambers.
When Her Honor returned it was clear she was sorely pissed at Lying Ho and asked what it would take to settle, and I said, "$1500 or we go to small claims court, and also there will now be a civil suit for defamation of character since all of this is now public record."
Ho and attorney huddled and then Ho's attorney asked to speak to me privately. I said no. Her Honor dismissed the case. Ho's attorney then contacted me and I settled for $3,250. I figure Biker probably had to come up with the money.
PS I had already moved by then!
Of course Meat Loaf would have probably sued for more since he is too ignorant to understand the difference between sterilization and castration.
PanamaJack
03-25-09, 06:21
I know how you feel, before marrying my colombian caleña, I dated a bunch of american girls....never could figure them out?
the link to the site is: http://chinadirt dot b l o g s p o t.com/
I just read a lttle bit of it, can't believe how angry this ladies are but it does not suprise me, "you reap what you sow".
I would work on reading comprehension, Illogic. He's not talking about having a kid by an AW. He's talking about American men knocking up foreign women, and then the foreign women siccing the US dogs on them.
When I was in my early 30s and had a good government job, I was fucking this chick who had a biker boyfriend. I was sorta getting off on the danger of all of that, and so forth. Anyway he showed up at my house one night. We had never met but I knew who he was because of my job. When I realized it was him, I just booked over the back fence and did not come back until the next day, and then I blew her off.
So a few months later she contacted me and told me she was pregnant. I told her there was no way it was mine. Keep in mind that because of my job, I knew she had this BF but she had never told me about him, and I never told her about him coming to my house because I never talked to her after that.
She insisted it was mine. I told her to F.O.A.D. and refused further contact. She hired a lawyer and filed a paternity suit. I did not hire a lawyer and showed up for the initial hearing with:
1) The bill for my vasectomy 6-7 years previously
2) A current urologist's report showing a zero sperm count, and
3) A subpoena to small claims court to compensate me for my time, trouble, lost wages, and so forth, for the maximum amount, which was then $1500 in my state, and an unrelated party to serve said subpoena.
Her attorney turned beet red and wanted to know why I had never told her I had had a vasectomy.
"She never asked me!"
The judge (a woman) then asked if I would withdraw my small claims suit if she withdrew her paternity suit. I said no way. The judge then asked to see her and her attorney in chambers.
When Her Honor returned it was clear she was sorely pissed at Lying Ho and asked what it would take to settle, and I said, "$1500 or we go to small claims court, and also there will now be a civil suit for defamation of character since all of this is now public record."
Ho and attorney huddled and then Ho's attorney asked to speak to me privately. I said no. Her Honor dismissed the case. Ho's attorney then contacted me and I settled for $3,250. I figure Biker probably had to come up with the money.
PS I had already moved by then!
Of course Meat Loaf would have probably sued for more since he is too ignorant to understand the difference between sterilization and castration.
If an American impregnanates a foreign national she is powerless outside of American boarders. No American court will entertain her case just ask all the kids/mothers who got left around those military bases the US deserted in the early 90s in PI where I live.
On the other hand if she is a foreign national living in America then by all means she is an American and is protected by all the laws of the land.
Dick Head I don’t know this Meat Loaf character but his writings make a lot of sense.
I would work on reading comprehension, Illogic. He's not talking about having a kid by an AW. He's talking about American men knocking up foreign women, and then the foreign women siccing the US dogs on them.
When I was in my early 30s and had a good government job, I was fucking this chick who had a biker boyfriend. I was sorta getting off on the danger of all of that, and so forth. Anyway he showed up at my house one night. We had never met but I knew who he was because of my job. When I realized it was him, I just booked over the back fence and did not come back until the next day, and then I blew her off.
So a few months later she contacted me and told me she was pregnant. I told her there was no way it was mine. Keep in mind that because of my job, I knew she had this BF but she had never told me about him, and I never told her about him coming to my house because I never talked to her after that.
She insisted it was mine. I told her to F.O.A.D. and refused further contact. She hired a lawyer and filed a paternity suit. I did not hire a lawyer and showed up for the initial hearing with:
1) The bill for my vasectomy 6-7 years previously
2) A current urologist's report showing a zero sperm count, and
3) A subpoena to small claims court to compensate me for my time, trouble, lost wages, and so forth, for the maximum amount, which was then $1500 in my state, and an unrelated party to serve said subpoena.
Her attorney turned beet red and wanted to know why I had never told her I had had a vasectomy.
"She never asked me!"
The judge (a woman) then asked if I would withdraw my small claims suit if she withdrew her paternity suit. I said no way. The judge then asked to see her and her attorney in chambers.
When Her Honor returned it was clear she was sorely pissed at Lying Ho and asked what it would take to settle, and I said, "$1500 or we go to small claims court, and also there will now be a civil suit for defamation of character since all of this is now public record."
Ho and attorney huddled and then Ho's attorney asked to speak to me privately. I said no. Her Honor dismissed the case. Ho's attorney then contacted me and I settled for $3,250. I figure Biker probably had to come up with the money.
PS I had already moved by then!
Of course Meat Loaf would have probably sued for more since he is too ignorant to understand the difference between sterilization and castration.
I do know the difference "dickhead" between sterilization and castration. I used teh castration word for effect.
If I wanted a knife cutting my d*ck I would get a penis emplant. LOL.
Great job on the laswuit!
If an American impregnanates a foreign national she is powerless outside of American boarders. No American court will entertain her case just ask all the kids/mothers who got left around those military bases the US deserted in the early 90s in PI where I live.
On the other hand if she is a foreign national living in America then by all means she is an American and is protected by all the laws of the land.
Dick Head I don’t know this Meat Loaf character but his writings make a lot of sense.
It does not matter if she's within or outside the USA. The USA has child support agreements around the world and provide assistance to the female via the embassy / consulate. In addition, attorneys and child support enforcement companies can file on her behalf.
If the foreign-attorney does a asset search and finds assets, why wouldn't he bring a case? This is a 20 year cash flow stream (ie. annuity)- child support.
Thanks for the intelligent thought. And I am referring to any woman, foreign or domestic, that gets empregnated by a USA citizen male!
It does not matter if she's within or outside the USA. The USA has child support agreements around the world and provide assistance to the female via the embassy / consulate. In addition, attorneys and child support enforcement companies can file on her behalf.
If the foreign-attorney does a asset search and finds assets, why wouldn't he bring a case? This is a 20 year cash flow stream (ie. annuity)- child support.
Thanks for the intelligent thought. And I am referring to any woman, foreign or domestic, that gets empregnated by a USA citizen male!
USA Department of State http://travel.state.gov/family/services/support/support_582.html
USA Department of State http://travel.state.gov/family/services/support/support_582.html
Read that shit too. It’s not so clear cut… it’s an intricate issue. Lawyers, Embassies, State laws vs Federal etc....
As I said all the little half-white, half-black, and half Mexican, Filipino bastards the American GIs left in Angeles and Subic Bay be my witness a foreign women getting her hands on Stateside Federal Reserve notes has a better chance of catching Bin Laden.
To all a mongering good night.
Well, Mr. Loaf, perhaps yet another anatomy lesson is in order. They don't cut your dick. They cut your scrotum. It's not a walk in the park but I'd rather have a vasectomy than a root canal (having had a couple of those). My problem was, they told me to stay in bed for two days and instead I took a bunch of painkillers and went and played softball that night and I spit all the stitches out and had to go back and get re-stitched (and then go to bed for two days anyway).
I realize you used "castration" for effect but you are barking up the wrong tree. Having a vasectomy empowers you. Anyway there are enough people in the world. Mongers who run around knocking up chicas disgust me.
Well, it is now six years since I bailed out of the US and I gotta say, for anyone who really feels that sex is an important part of their life, it's the only way to go. Is it risky? Yes. Do you have balls? Then take the risk... Everybody bitches about how fat AWs are but AMs are just as fat, right?...Peace out!
Masterfully written, certainly a stirring manifesto for men everywhere.
But I must take you to task on one thing. While the percentage rate of those who are overweight in the US is the same for men as it is for women, the rate of morbidly obese for women is a lot higher.
And thanks for calling out deadbeat irreresponsible "dads". Uncool to knock up a chick and then disappear.
Mongers who run around knocking up chicas disgust me.
Mee too. Meat Loaf Reports of Distinction in 2007 verify the sentiment.
You're foolish or courageous to play softball with your swollen balls!
i feel sex is an important part of my life. i would like to live freely as you did. you say $2k as if it's a small income. it is not and if i can make those $2k steadily i will be happy.
would i like to live that life? i did in canada (not into asian or black) the rules are less restricted than the us and if you know how to pick up sw's however, the economy sucks. i'd like to make those $2k and live in one of those 3rd world countries (with low standard of living). those $2k will feel as $10k in those countries.
well, it is now six years since i bailed out of the us and i gotta say, for anyone who really feels that sex is an important part of their life, it's the only way to go. is it risky? yes. do you have balls? then take the risk. are there some adjustments to be made, some problems that come up, and some bumps in the road? yes. is it a challenge to make a living? yes, but even with the recent melt-down i am a bit ahead from where i was when i left, financially. are you limited only to p4p? no, if you can speak or learn the language. it's true i had an advantage by already knowing another language but that's just an indictment of the us educational system. yeah, us universities "require a foreign language" in most cases but it's not enough. two semesters with little emphasis on actual conversation? get serious. more and more are even accepting sign language as a "foreign" language for christ's fucking sake. only in english-speaking countries can a monolingual person be considered "well educated."
essentially i've become convinced that the problem is not so much "american women" as it is the typical work-centric, stress-filled, overly demanding us lifestyle with all the commuting and trying to backstab one's way up the corporate ladder. everybody bitches about how fat aws are but ams are just as fat, right? sex is just too far down on everybody's list of priorities in the us after a while. money, image, consumer goods, and television are more important.
fuck all that shit! i live like a king on $2k us per month and i am going to screw until my dick falls off, drink until my liver fails, and smoke weed until i light myself on fire. i'm gonna have oral sex and anal sex and pussy sex and when i get sick of that i will go for the nose and the ears. i'm going to screw brown women and black women and white women and yellow women and pink women. i'm gonna screw 'em in my bed and in the shower and on the floor and in the pool and on the dining room table and bent over the laundry sink. i'm gonna hit 'em from on top and from the bottom and from the side and in various contorted and scissors-like positions. i'm gonna cum in their faces and on their tits and in their hair and between their toes.
i'm gonna fuck 'em in cheerleader outfits and blindfolded and tied up and with scarves tied around their necks (a latina favorite) and with bunny ears on. i'm gonna fuck 'em 2 and 3 at a time and i am going to fuck their sisters and their mothers and their daughters and their cousins. then they are going to leave with some money and i will have no further obligations and i can get drunk and burp and fart and cuss as much as i want. maybe some of you will last longer than i will but quality of life is better than quantity of life. i bet i can last 20 more years and nail another thousand or so.
no nagging. no ball busting boss. no prescription required. no warning labels. no [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131) or screaming brats.
no worries!
peace out!
USA Department of State http://travel.state.gov/family/serv...upport_582.html
Read that shit too. It’s not so clear cut… it’s an intricate issue. Lawyers, Embassies, State laws vs Federal etc....
As I said all the little half-white, half-black, and half Mexican, Filipino bastards the American GIs left in Angeles and Subic Bay be my witness a foreign women getting her hands on Stateside Federal Reserve notes has a better chance of catching Bin Laden.
To all a mongering good night.
True, but one does not want a bill accruing and 10 - 20 years later, it gets placed against you.
There is no statute of limitations on child support! The custodial parent, by default the female, is void any liability in the time it took her to file a cliam!
Read that shit too. It’s not so clear cut… it’s an intricate issue. Lawyers, Embassies, State laws vs Federal etc....
As I said all the little half-white, half-black, and half Mexican, Filipino bastards the American GIs left in Angeles and Subic Bay be my witness a foreign women getting her hands on Stateside Federal Reserve notes has a better chance of catching Bin Laden.
To all a mongering good night.
You almost floated some bullsh*t past me until I thought of what you said!
Military employees (officer or enlisted) are worse off than society. You're life is under the control of USMJ. They dock pay for late payments on bills; they inspect residences; they have 100% control of your person and activities.
I can call the post commander; report the soldier; and get him a A-15! As a creditor or "baby momma'".
Maybe they behave differently on posts internationally, but within the USA military tiowns everyone knows this! This is why they get girls and only earn US $1,300 as an E1 on post.
Talkiing USMJ (I can't remember the correct term) is futile 'cause that's a seperate code of laws only subjected upon its members, 2,000,000 soldiers.
I have 5 years on post and off post as a dependant and as a hanger on!
I wouldn't use the Philippine Expereince as a barometer.
Mee too. Meat Loaf Reports of Distinction in 2007 verify the sentiment.
You're foolish or courageous to play softball with your swollen balls!
Yeah, I wasn't too astute back in my 20s. But I got three hits and we won the game.
It's so sad.......American females driving American males to commit unspeakable acts.
Vacuum Sex Act Gets Man 90 Days
SAGINAW, Mich. (March 26) - A man police caught performing a sex act with a car wash vacuum has been sentenced to 90 days in the Saginaw County Jail.
Jason Leroy Savage must also submit to drug testing.
The 29-year-old Swan Creek Township man was sentenced Wednesday in Saginaw County Circuit Court. Savage pleaded no contest to indecent exposure last month. Police say Savage was arrested after a resident called officers early on Oct. 16 to report suspicious activity at a car wash in Thomas Township, about 90 miles northwest of Detroit.
Naked Gunz
03-27-09, 05:20
I would work on reading comprehension, Illogic. He's not talking about having a kid by an AW. He's talking about American men knocking up foreign women, and then the foreign women siccing the US dogs on them.
When I was in my early 30s and had a good government job, I was fucking this chick who had a biker boyfriend. I was sorta getting off on the danger of all of that, and so forth. Anyway he showed up at my house one night. We had never met but I knew who he was because of my job. When I realized it was him, I just booked over the back fence and did not come back until the next day, and then I blew her off.
So a few months later she contacted me and told me she was pregnant. I told her there was no way it was mine. Keep in mind that because of my job, I knew she had this BF but she had never told me about him, and I never told her about him coming to my house because I never talked to her after that.
She insisted it was mine. I told her to F.O.A.D. and refused further contact. She hired a lawyer and filed a paternity suit. I did not hire a lawyer and showed up for the initial hearing with:
1) The bill for my vasectomy 6-7 years previously
2) A current urologist's report showing a zero sperm count, and
3) A subpoena to small claims court to compensate me for my time, trouble, lost wages, and so forth, for the maximum amount, which was then $1500 in my state, and an unrelated party to serve said subpoena.
Her attorney turned beet red and wanted to know why I had never told her I had had a vasectomy.
"She never asked me!"
The judge (a woman) then asked if I would withdraw my small claims suit if she withdrew her paternity suit. I said no way. The judge then asked to see her and her attorney in chambers.
When Her Honor returned it was clear she was sorely pissed at Lying Ho and asked what it would take to settle, and I said, "$1500 or we go to small claims court, and also there will now be a civil suit for defamation of character since all of this is now public record."
Ho and attorney huddled and then Ho's attorney asked to speak to me privately. I said no. Her Honor dismissed the case. Ho's attorney then contacted me and I settled for $3,250. I figure Biker probably had to come up with the money.
PS I had already moved by then!
Of course Meat Loaf would have probably sued for more since he is too ignorant to understand the difference between sterilization and castration.
WOW!...I love this STORY!!
I got my sack trimmed 15 yo ago but dont have any docs to attribute the fact. I think I will try to get em. These women are certainly out there; I had a Ghana chick trying to use my dick as a source of income when I lived in DC.
After 4 months of having a regular cycle , she kicked me to the curb...
WOW!...I love this STORY!!
I had a Ghana chick trying to use my dick as a source of income when I lived in DC.
The USA Child Support Laws will handle it for her.
Read Meat Loaf in Nicaragua to learn the USA Child Support Laws that apply to the USA Male Citizen.
The Ghana girl is smart, and the USA will handle it all for her!
As I cited on this board awhile back, there is now ample legal precedent in the US that requires a man to pay child support even if it's not his! NY state supreme court ruled in a case where the guy lived with his girlfriend for a few years along with a kid who wasn't his, they split up, and the court said he had to pay child support because he was the only father figure the child had ever known!
So a documented vasectomy will not save you. Only eternal vigilence and well-tuned radar will.
Well, I wouldn't live with some hag who had a kid, regardless of whose it was. I had the vasectomy because I don't want kids. They annoy me. Older boys can be fun to toss the football around with for an hour or so. "Gee Tommy that was fun. Now get the fuck out."
I did once live with a woman who had kids but the dad had custody and they were only around every other weekend. Two of the three were okay but the middle one was just a little kunt. I stayed friends with the gal after we broke up and I watched her balloon up to 200 lbs and the (very good looking) oldest daughter promptly followed suit. This daughter actually declared bankruptcy at age 20 (the mom declared bankruptcy after we broke up, too).
But, in fact, the ex-GF was paying child support to the dad since she made more money than he did. All that is based on a very cut-and-dried formula in my ex-state. I don't think there is such a thing as alimony in that state, either.
I am not sure which disgusts me more: the US situation where a guy can end paying child support for a kid that isn't his, or the situation where I currently live where the man has zero accountability. I think the latter is probably worse from an overall societal standpoint. Not that I give a shit about overall society or anything. I just give a shit about pussy, weed, and beer, in that approximate order. And, all three of those situations suck in the US. Here prostitution is legal, possession of up to two grams of weed is decriminalized (and further liberalization looms), and I can drink beer in public. I can even drink beer on the trains and buses. I can drink beer in a car as long as I am not the driver. For some odd reason it's prohibited to drink beer in the subway, but you can do it and nobody gives a shit. In fact there was absolutely no regulation of alcohol whatsoever in this country until quite recently. No licensing, no drinking age, nothing. Now there is a drinking age (18) but it's not enforced strictly at all. Plus a couple of years ago this province passed a law limiting off-sale to 8 AM to 11 PM. But, any place that has tables (or a bar with stools) is exempt from this so all it really does is drive the price up. And, the alcoholism rate here is way, way lower than in the US.
But my alcoholism rate is 100%.
Doctor_Skank
03-27-09, 21:51
Talkiing USMJ (I can't remember the correct term) UCMJ (uniform code of military justice)
What are you guys feelings on guys abandoning pregnant mothers just because of not wanting the financial or parental responsibilities when they are rightfully the father? What if they asked the girl to get an abortion the mother refuses and the guy takes off who is wrong?
What if they asked the girl to get an abortion the mother refuses and the guy takes off who is wrong?
The guy is wrong. An abortion is not a walk in the park. Therefore if one mongers one should have a vasectomy or use a condom. End of story. Abortion is the woman's choice. It's her body. Ejaculating in her pussy is the man's choice and carries consequences.
As I said earlier:
...And thanks for calling out deadbeat irreresponsible "dads". Uncool to knock up a chick and then disappear.
I have as much contempt and lack of respect for a guy who has 5 kids by 5 women whom he never sees and takes no responsibilty for as I do for a chick who has 5 kids by 5 guys who are out of the picture. Breeding kids with everything stacked against them: greater chance of poverty, poor education, and criminality.
And I have no sympathy for guys who say they were "tricked" into knocking her up, that she lied about having birth control. I've an idea: don't have unprotected sex unless you know her well enough to trust her completely. or are ready to step up if there's an accident. Develop some better radar to detect crazies.
She doesn't want an abortion? Her choice. His choice to control where his sperm go.
Absolutely true what you say Yogin, certainly it is true in Canada. There was a Supreme Court (of Canada) decision a few years back, it is a bit of a long story, but effectively the man lived with this single mom for about a year, she went back to the original bf, had another kid, then went back to this guy, and would you believe the idiot, he took her back for another year or so. She left, went back to the bf, they both sued and won, for about three years back child support, and child support for another 15 yrs or so. Incredible, but true. Unfortunately, the real loser. The single mom.
I know many guys (including myself), who will not touch a single mom with a 10 foot pole. Where once we might be accomodating to see how it will go, now it is far too much of a risk. I'd much rather be mongering around in Colombia, Peru, Panama etc. , and, of course, take great care while at it, and then get on a plane and come back to nobody, then ever take the risk of being set up for years on end.
I have very mixed feelings about these broads that get pregnant after a onenight stand or whatever, when they lie to the guy. Yes, it is his responsibility, blah, blah, blah. But, and I've heard the story like everybody else, they know damn well that they can feed this kind of bullshit story ad infinitum, knowing some guy will be the white knight in shining armour, and believe them, then BOOM! , down comes the paternity suit. And there is no sense of shame, or responsibility or anything from these bitches, they had it planned from the start. The best solution, stay FAR FAR away from any North American *****, and there won't be a problem. The happiest guys I know are the ones who are not with anybody here, these women make life a pure living hell.
Chocha Monger
03-28-09, 18:45
I admire the righteous indignation here about guys who willingly knock up women and then abandon the children. However, it is not so simple in every case. Everyone says, "He should have used a condom. He shouldn't have blown his wad in her pussy. He shouldn't have trusted her when she said that she was on birth control, etc."
I think we all know that it isn't so cut and dry when it comes guys with hard cocks and conniving chicks with hot wet pussies. Sometimes caution and reasoning flies out the window or trust is violated. Sure there are guys who blow a nut up chicks' pussies and continue on their way as casually as spitting a wad of chewing tobacco in a urinal. Child abandonment is a passionate issue and everyone wants to be on the side against it. Supporting it would be as bad a being a spokesman in favor of genocide.
Anyway, let's forget the raw emotion involved with such a thing for a moment and examine the reality of these situations. Some of these men may not have left willingly and others might have made every effort as can be expected of a reasonable person to avoid a pregnancy. Think CM is a crazy bastard? Well let's take a close look at the following case as experienced by the monger John Henri, then tell me who you think was culpable in that situation. Enjoy.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=793618&postcount=344
i admire the righteous indignation here about guys who willingly knock up women and then abandon the children. however, it is not so simple in every case. everyone says, "he should have used a condom. he shouldn't have blown his wad in her pussy. he shouldn't have trusted her when she said that she was on birth control, etc."
i think we all know that it isn't so cut and dry when it comes guys with hard cocks and conniving chicks with hot wet pussies. sometimes caution and reasoning flies out the window or trust is violated. sure there are guys who blow a nut up chicks' pussies and continue on their way as casually as spitting a wad of chewing tobacco in a urinal. child abandonment is a passionate issue and everyone wants to be on the side against it. supporting it would be as bad a being a spokesman in favor of genocide.
anyway, let's forget the raw emotion involved with such a thing for a moment and examine the reality of these situations. some of these men may not have left willingly and others might have made every effort as can be expected of a reasonable person to avoid a pregnancy. think cm is a crazy bastard? well let's take a close look at the following case as experienced by the monger john henri, then tell me who you think was culpable in that situation. enjoy.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=793618&postcount=344
cm… mayne there is no other way to fucking say it… but you are the fucking man….great post….again.
also peeped my man story damn that shit is wild. sounds like some young and restless type shit incredible.
What's all this plastic bag bullshit? Flush it down the toilet. And condoms are excellent for disease protection but not so hot for contraception. They break, they leak (especially if you hang around inside after you're done, which is of course fun to do), they fall off, etc. Be like Meat Loaf and give 'em the shot yourself, or be like me and get snipped. It's too bad what happened to this guy (I've heard of this before) but he shouldn't have given her his e-mail address. I have an e-mail address for this purpose that I never access from my home computer so there's no way it could ever be traced back to me. And when mongering casually I make sure nothing with my last name on it is lying around. I don't give out my land line and my cell is untraceable. I do all this even though I'm snipped. I don't want any chica problems.
I have blue eyes too and several times chicas have asked me to knock them up so they can have a kid with "ojos celestes" (blue eyes). I don't bother explaining Mendel to them. I just say "okay," blow my load in them, and laugh my ass off. One time this went on for over a year and the chica (who had other kids, of course) could not understand why it wasn't working. I told her I had the mumps when I was a kid and that was probably why.
So why'd this guy even submit to a DNA test? Why not disappear? Disappearing under those circumstances is justified as far as I'm concerned.
Chocha Monger
03-30-09, 15:47
A desperate emotionally over the hill AW dates 100 men before finding a sucker. At 34 yrs of age, Ann Marsh has seen her best years come and go as evidenced by her constant reminiscing of her long lost 20's. In spite of this she is able to waste the time of scores of men over a six month period. She whines about the fact that an astute National Guard pilot realized that she was no catch and called for the check after buying her a California roll for dinner. You'd think that she was getting more than enough to eat from her multiple dates but that, apparently, was not the case. This article is a good read for guys who want further insight on the American dating scene.
http://lifestyle.msn.com/relationships/articleoprahmatch.aspx?cp-documentid=18651861>1=32023
CM,
I read the story and can only shake my head. Yes, she is 35, whines on about her boohoohoo loneliness when she would blow off every guy she could, and now has the opportunity to date hundreds of guys until she has found the one that satisfies the entire laundry list (I. E. , either a complete shakedown, or he will treat like the princess she expects to be treated as)
When will NA men ever wake up? As long as this is the case, these broads will continue to expect that sooner or later they'll find the sucker that they have always wanted, she even virtually says that in the article. If we all went on strike for even a few months, attitude might start to change. But I wouldn't be holding my breath.
Gentleman Travel
03-31-09, 15:21
Maybe we need someone to write "What I Learned from Fucking 100 Women"!
It could detail lots of helpful advice to guys to avoid unfruitful relationships,
like the "three strikes you're out" rule - if she doesn't put out by the third date
it is time to move one (make that two strikes in hunting outside America).
It could discuss the cost-benefit ratio of dating vs P4P
and extoll the virtues of all-you-can-eat sex at FKKs.
It could educate American women that there are plenty of fish
for men to catch in other seas that are much easier to catch
and tastier as well - that once men learn to fish elsewhere, the value of
American cold fish sex will plummet and the species will face extinction.
Certainly mongering instills in one the "put out or get out" ethos of relationship management,
even for those of us who are married or value long-term relationships.
A desperate emotionally over the hill AW dates 100 men before finding a sucker. At 34 yrs of age, Ann Marsh has seen her best years come and go as evidenced by her constant reminiscing of her long lost 20's. In spite of this she is able to waste the time of scores of men over a six month period. She whines about the fact that an astute National Guard pilot realized that she was no catch and called for the check after buying her a California roll for dinner. You'd think that she was getting more than enough to eat from her multiple dates but that, apparently, was not the case. This article is a good read for guys who want further insight on the American dating scene.
http://lifestyle.msn.com/relationships/articleoprahmatch.aspx?cp-documentid=18651861>1=32023
AW are over-rated. They portray themselves as the victims and the weak. I wonder if it was a man who wrote this! Would it be ok to date 100's of women. Then why women's sexuality is higher than men?
I was listening to the radio and a girl called to say that she shares everything in her relation with her boyfriend. When they go out she pays her bill. The guy on the radio said "that's weird! how long you have been with him?" "Oh that long and do you have sex" she said " long and we have sex"
As if the radio guy means you are having sex with him for free!
At times my faith flagged, like when the well-spoken National Guard pilot bought me a single California roll for dinner and called for the check. Phew. Rejection in a bit of raw fish. The best remedy was always the next date. When the soap opera actor or the triathlete didn't call — both of whom had looked deep into my eyes and proclaimed their attraction to me — I did nothing. I let them go. I wanted a man whose actions matched his words.
You see in their words that men are supposed to always pay.
A desperate emotionally over the hill AW dates 100 men before finding a sucker. At 34 yrs of age, Ann Marsh has seen her best years come and go as evidenced by her constant reminiscing of her long lost 20's. In spite of this she is able to waste the time of scores of men over a six month period. She whines about the fact that an astute National Guard pilot realized that she was no catch and called for the check after buying her a California roll for dinner. You'd think that she was getting more than enough to eat from her multiple dates but that, apparently, was not the case. This article is a good read for guys who want further insight on the American dating scene.
http://lifestyle.msn.com/relationships/articleoprahmatch.aspx?cp-documentid=18651861>1=32023
Chocha Monger
04-01-09, 22:34
Here is some good reading for those of you who still date AW. Remember to send the author your story:
http://www.mypsychobitch.com/guidelines.htm
And for those of you into internet dating:
http://www.neverdateher.com/
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/articles/MacDonald-Men.html
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/articles/MacDonald-Men.html
I regret wasting 5 minutes of my life reading this drivel.
Brian Moloney
04-03-09, 03:46
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/articles/MacDonald-Men.html
This man is GOD.. He speaks the TRUTH.. If the USA had the same aproach in dealings with IMMIGRATION as an EXAMPLE Moscow Russia The USA would NOT have the problems they have today... Yes Russia as a whole nation is xenophobic nationalists. Say what you like but the RUSSIAN DUMA has the JEWS number. thats for sure. I feel safe walking the streets in Moscow at night, I do NOT feel safe walking the streets in any BIG CITY in the USA... Yes every country has good points and bad points... I honestly believe the USA should seriously LOOK at the Russian way of doing things in the immigration department.. I also LOVE the DOCUMENTS at all times in Moscow. This law is even for Moscowvites... The city is NOT over populated with other ethnic people (illegal aliens) .
PanamaJack
04-04-09, 10:56
proposed law would criminalize international romance
a fascinating email from reader dave root who attaches an original article. dave writes....
greetings wendy:
back in 2005 average american folks like myself were delighted when you wrote an article castigating the federal imbra law. (see "mail order bride law brands u.s. men abusers." - http://www.ifeminists.net/introduct.../2006/0111.html) now that the federal law has been passed it sets a dangerous precedent for even more draconian legislation. take a look at this proposed maryland law and you will understand.
proposed law would criminalize international romance
by dave root
maryland men who wish to communicate with foreign women may need to visit their local police station if a highly controversial proposed maryland bill (hb 596) becomes law. hb 596 recently introduced into the maryland general assembly by delegate joanne benson would shockingly require maryland residents to submit to criminal background checks before communication can begin if they use an international dating or pen pal site.
perhaps the most appalling provision would potentially require maryland men to provide to the central repository “a complete set of legible fingerprints taken at any designated state or local law enforcement office…” before they can initiate communication with a foreign woman. this is the type of draconian government intrusion into the personal sphere that joseph stalin would have approved.
penalties for violations of the dating law include a fine not exceeding $12,000 or imprisonment not exceeding one year or both.
the title of the bill “regulation of marriage brokers” is misleading and was used to suggest something sinister is occurring which needs to be regulated. the bill is littered with false, misleading and confusing language designed to suggest that international dating and friendship- a perfectly legitimate pursuit is somehow connected to trafficking or arranged marriages. these are actually two dissimilar activities and one activity is legal while the other activity is a crime. hb 596 would dangerously conflate both the legal and illegal activity as if they were the same.
the bill states it would regulate various for- profit enterprises including those that offer matrimonial and dating services. but the criminal disclosure requirements are performed before the couple has even met. how can you regulate matrimonial services if a relationship doesn’t even exist? it should come as no surprise that delegate joanne benson the sponsor of this poorly written law is one of the most liberal lawmakers within the maryland general assembly.
obviously the regulation of so-called “marriage brokers” is a spoof which surreptitiously masks the reality of a law that would violate the privacy rights of maryland men. simply put there is no justification to require maryland citizens to provide their police records before they can exchange e mails with a foreigner. this is a blatant violation of the first amendment (freedom of speech and freedom of association), the fifth and fourteenth amendments (equal protection) as well as violations of article 2, 24, 40, 44 and article 46 in the declaration of rights of the maryland constitution.
hb 596 is patterned after a similar federal law the international marriage broker regulation act which was sneaked through congress with no testimony or witnesses. american women advocacy groups and a few politicians made sensational claims that american men who date foreign women are losers, serial [CodeWord127] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord127), wife beaters and “many are premeditated torturers” without supplying adequate proof of such incendiary statements, not to mention common sense. they also suggested such men were trafficking women without any proof. the washington post wrote an expose on trafficking in 2007 and found that advocacy groups had sprung up around the beltway to lap up money spent on a virtually nonexistent problem in the us.
writing a letter - including a romance letter is a legitimate activity and the government has no right to enact laws which place restrictions on relationships and communication occurring over international boundaries. the real culprits are politicians who sponsor blatantly unconstitutional laws at the beckoning of special interest groups with a hidden political agenda and lots of money.
wendy mcelroy - tuesday 31 march 2009
http://www.wendymcelroy.com/news.php?extend.2356
Gentleman Travel
04-06-09, 15:12
Proposed law would criminalize International Romance
by Dave Root
Maryland men who wish to communicate with foreign women may need to visit their local police station if a highly controversial proposed Maryland bill (HB 596) becomes law. HB 596 recently introduced into the Maryland General Assembly by Delegate Joanne Benson would shockingly require Maryland residents to submit to criminal background checks before communication can begin if they use an international dating or pen pal site.
This is an attempt by American women to introduce the "closed shop" union rule for international romance - to prevent low-cost romantic out-souricing to offshore "romance havens" which often provide superior services at a fraction of the price (emotional and financial) of traditional American supplies.
Hey, it worked for the auto industry, didn't it??
DJ FourMoney
04-14-09, 11:40
This is an attempt by American women to introduce the "closed shop" union rule for international romance - to prevent low-cost romantic out-souricing to offshore "romance havens" which often provide superior services at a fraction of the price (emotional and financial) of traditional American supplies.
Hey, it worked for the auto industry, didn't it??
It sure did...
This is one more reason to consider living elsewhere...
It sure did...
This is one more reason to consider living elsewhere...DJ,
So where do you think to live? I think anywhere behind the USA border will work;)
Yesterday one friend brought two Russian girls to my house in the USA. In 5 min, I wanted to tell then get the fuck out. I asked them if they wanna make some salad, and they said no, they only came for a barbeque to eat! And they were saying how come it's not ready yet, and they are really hungry. They were supposed to be my friend's "friends" so I did not kick them out.
Usually girls offer some help cooking. At least what I'm used to. One of them really good looking the other quite ugly for me, but they all the time tried to tell that they are the most important shit in the universe. Incredible. They have been in the USA for a few years (one for 2 years and the other 4 years) and turned into such asshole monsters. But in Russia girls are usually are complete opposite.
On the other hand, a few days ago I was in Colombia and spent a day with one hot girl, who is also student and a fotomodel, she was doing some cooking for me and washing plates. I did not ask her to do anything of that.
What a contrast after crossing the USA border.
DJ FourMoney
04-21-09, 12:03
DJ,
So where do you think to live? I think anywhere behind the USA border will work;)
Yesterday one friend brought two Russian girls to my house in the USA. In 5 min, I wanted to tell then get the fuck out. I asked them if they wanna make some salad, and they said no, they only came for a barbeque to eat! And they were saying how come it's not ready yet, and they are really hungry. They were supposed to be my friend's "friends" so I did not kick them out.
Usually girls offer some help cooking. At least what I'm used to. One of them really good looking the other quite ugly for me, but they all the time tried to tell that they are the most important shit in the universe. Incredible. They have been in the USA for a few years (one for 2 years and the other 4 years) and turned into such asshole monsters. But in Russia girls are usually are complete opposite.
On the other hand, a few days ago I was in Colombia and spent a day with one hot girl, who is also student and a fotomodel, she was doing some cooking for me and washing plates. I did not ask her to do anything of that.
What a contrast after crossing the USA border.
Its a contrast alright....
Some Aussie chick came up to me and my boy last night coming back from "The Room" in Hollywood and wanted to be friendly, she talked to us for about 5 mins and she wasn't drunk. She was one of those SKA/Punk type chicks with the Misfit t-shirt and dyed strawberry red hair.
Not my type so I really didn't pursue her. But she was nice enough.
As I said once before, if you're going to bring a girl back to the US, make sure she firmly rejects our typical way of life and is willing to pull her own weight.
What is it with the U.S.A. that causes Women who come here from all over the world to "change"?
DJ,
So where do you think to live? I think anywhere behind the USA border will work;)
Yesterday one friend brought two Russian girls to my house in the USA. In 5 min, I wanted to tell then get the fuck out. I asked them if they wanna make some salad, and they said no, they only came for a barbeque to eat! And they were saying how come it's not ready yet, and they are really hungry. They were supposed to be my friend's "friends" so I did not kick them out.
Usually girls offer some help cooking. At least what I'm used to. One of them really good looking the other quite ugly for me, but they all the time tried to tell that they are the most important shit in the universe. Incredible. They have been in the USA for a few years (one for 2 years and the other 4 years) and turned into such asshole monsters. But in Russia girls are usually are complete opposite.
On the other hand, a few days ago I was in Colombia and spent a day with one hot girl, who is also student and a fotomodel, she was doing some cooking for me and washing plates. I did not ask her to do anything of that.
What a contrast after crossing the USA border.
Well, let's see:
- We have lots of guys letting them get away with it
- They have a huge network, telling them exactly what to do to "Catch" guys (The Rules, talk show hostesses, etc), and what to do after they have succeeded (The headaches, be a beeutch, lock the legs up, use sex as a weapon, nag, nag, nag)
- Lots of guys paying through the nose to look at nice looking women (Strip club mentality, screw that shit!!!)
- Women get paid just because they are cute by the weak (I will send you money because… fill in the blank)
- They have all the goods (Ass, butts, lips and tits)
- Because it is lawful
- If men haven't left the USA ever, men don't have a basis of reference to know how they should really be treated by "Real" exotic looking, shapely, women
In my opinion, all fathers should take their sons outside of the USA and mentor them on the subtleties, mannerisms, and companionship of real women. There are a few of them here, but I’ve found them all to be unavailable. Women here are spoiled, brainwashed, overweight, delusional and overconfident. We need to stop being so gullible; after all, we have something they need too. Somewhere in the middle is where we need to be between the sexes, but, we overwhelmingly give in at any hint of a tryst in the sack. Buying drinks because some random, dolled up hoe gives you the eye in a club? That is crap.
When I travel, I buy ladies drinks because I know I’m going to bed with the recipient. I love the mattress circus. They can do anything. Women here go to clubs, dressed to kill because they know they WON’T have to buy drinks; plenty of desperate, insecure, men out there willing to fall for the oldest social norm at the bar. You know: “May I buy you a $25 drink?” Gulp!!! Let the beeutch buy her own shit. I listen to them brag every Monday about those who do. What do they do in return? Nothing!!! Ahhh, sorry, guys, just venting a bit…
What is it with the U.S.A. that causes Women who come here from all over the world to "change"?
Tungurahua
04-26-09, 03:13
This is an attempt by American women to introduce the "closed shop" union rule for international romance -- to prevent low-cost romantic out-sourcing to offshore "romance havens" which often provide superior services at a fraction of the price (emotional and financial) of traditional American suppliers. ROTFLMAO. Holy fuck, this is the best summary I have seen in a long time. Whew **wiping the tears of laughter away** Thanks Gentleman Travel.
Dickhead's court & "fuck all that shit!" stories are great ones, too. This is an interesting forum I obviously should pay more attention to ...
This is an attempt by American women to introduce the "closed shop" union rule for international romance - to prevent low-cost romantic out-souricing to offshore "romance havens" which often provide superior services at a fraction of the price (emotional and financial) of traditional American supplies.
Hey, it worked for the auto industry, didn't it??
It worked for a while! The problem with this type of micro-management of romance is that it only works for a while. Over the long-term, people find an alternative to the bad deal that is being offeed.
Look at the auto industry today. GM is going bankrupt next month. Chrysler may go bankrupt next week. Only the foreign owned firms, Toyota and Nissan, are in reasonable shape.
So, in 20 years we can expect women to be in just as bad shape. You know, I have been reading horror stories about this recession. It is hitting women as well as men. It is hitting single women pretty hard, even though it is male dominated jobs such as construction and manufacturing that are being lost the most. It is hitting women hard because they are concentrated in lower paying jobs such as primary school and secondary school teaching.
Women, especially single mothers, have no savings to help them weather the recession until a better paying job comes along. There are single mothers going homeless or moving back into their mother's house. What I see is a generation of women who bragged about how they don't need a man in their lives, but who now could use some male help contributing to managing the household. I feel some sympathy but I know that they made their own beds.
It worked for a while
It is hitting women hard because they are concentrated in lower paying jobs such as primary school and secondary school teaching.
Women, especially single mothers, have no savings to help them weather the recession until a better paying job comes along. There are single mothers going homeless or moving back into their mother's house. What I see is a generation of women who bragged about how they don't need a man in their lives, but who now could use some male help contributing to managing the household. I feel some sympathy but I know that they made their own beds.
I think it's the guys who will get shafted royally in this global recession - soon to be depression. A woman can always go the p4p route for survival. Just look at the surge of new women advertising p4p on CL. One good thing for us, rates will decrease drastically.
I think it's the guys who will get shafted royally in this global recession - soon to be depression. A woman can always go the p4p route for survival. Just look at the surge of new women advertising p4p on CL. One good thing for us, rates will decrease drastically.
I disagree. A woman has to meet some minimum level of physical attractiveness to be taken seriously in the P4P game. In addition, she has to perform a minimum number and type of sex acts to be successful.
I remember one episode of Cathouse, in which a good looking blonde waltzed into the house saying that she had pride and standards and wouldn't ever do oral. So she had a series of men come on to her and she ran down her laundry list of things she doesn't do because she has pride and it is beneath her to do those things. One by one each man went with another lady. She had NO CUSTOMERS and made NO MONEY. By the end of the episode she was on a plane back to where she came from.
Given the attitudes of women in the US, I can't see many being successful in the P4P game. There are many desperate and weak men who are willing to pay good money for the crappy service he will get. But there are NOT that many with that much money for the average AW, who needs to, to make it in P4P.
What about American Women doing international dating ... would they be required to register themselves to the police station too ?
Really, America has becoma a police state, and unfortunately President Obama is doing nothing to reverse this trend.
B.B.
Proposed law would criminalize International Romance
Maryland men who wish to communicate with foreign women may need to visit their local police station if a highly controversial proposed Maryland bill (HB 596) becomes law. HB 596 recently introduced into the Maryland General Assembly by Delegate Joanne Benson would shockingly require Maryland residents to submit to criminal background checks before communication can begin if they use an international dating or pen pal site.
Chocha Monger
04-26-09, 22:08
What is it with the U.S.A. that causes Women who come here from all over the world to "change"?
The culture. American men are always going out of their way to be nice to women in the hope of getting some pussy. Many, immigrant women soon realize that pussy rules in America. Then they promptly use it to whip the men chasing after them into shape. Soon after daily supplication from scores of vagina worshipers the women lose all respect for American men and treat them accordingly to the approval of her American sisters.
As long as men buy women free drinks, dinners and jewelry in order to "get lucky," women who come to this country will continue to change. They're just adapting to their surroundings.
I disagree. A woman has to meet some minimum level of physical attractiveness to be taken seriously in the P4P game. In addition, she has to perform a minimum number and type of sex acts to be successful.
I disagree. Have you seen some of the P4P ladies on CL. All freaking shapes and sizes. There are ladies on there that I would not fuck with your dick....had one lady, a 3 toothed BBW, who has ads on CL, tell me her phone was always ringing off the hook. Of course I made a U turn when I saw her. For most American men there is no minimum level of physical attractiveness, we will fuck anything that moves, if we are horny enough.......including a hole in a tree.
For most American men there is no minimum level of physical attractiveness, we will fuck anything that moves if we are horny enough.......including a hole in a tree.
Well said. I've always said " all it takes is a good looking toe and you have 100 guys lined up"
The brutal part is getting dissed by a chump change hoe worth $6 or less abroad. It doesn't bother me anymore but it does extremely limit your expectations or desire to go out.
Alot of men are absolute losers in this game. Those who do break through the barriers do so with so much effort that they feel entitiled to cheat. The wheel spins round and round until everbody gets dizzy and falls out.
I meet other mongers who face age discrimination. I'd like to NOT be here by the time that rolls along.
The scene is ugly...no hope in sight. I wish I could be more positive but I cant.
I disagree. Have you seen some of the P4P ladies on CL. All freaking shapes and sizes. There are ladies on there that I would not fuck with your dick....had one lady, a 3 toothed BBW, who has ads on CL, tell me her phone was always ringing off the hook. Of course I made a U turn when I saw her. For most American men there is no minimum level of physical attractiveness, we will fuck anything that moves if we are horny enough.......including a hole in a tree.
I have never used CL for anything yet. I expect to never use CL for P4P as I don't monger in the US.
If you are being sincere and truthful in your post, then I can only say that I am WAY out of the loop. The only men that I can imagine having no standards and going with what you described are recently released long-term criminals, mentally ill men, drug addicts and alcoholics, and maybe physically handicapped men.
Even then, I can't believe there will be so many such men going after the BBWs on CL that these BBWs would make much money. Many years ago when I was in college, I used to see a homeless man regularly on the streets near where I grocery shopped. One evening, he was walking hand-in-hand with a homeless woman. It looked like they decided to be GF/BF. While she was dirty and probably playing with less than a full deck, she wasn't fat, seemed to have all her front teeth, seemed in her 30's, I thought that if she cleaned up she might look pretty decent. In my mind I wished them some happiness in their otherwise sad lives. My point is that even a homeless man found something better than your CL BBW.
A man with a decent job, decent looking, and healthy, just wouldn't touch that.
A man with a decent job, decent looking, and healthy, just wouldn't touch that.
Have you ever been to a fetish club ? There are guys into that stuff. I think most guys would bust a nut on something substandard as long as nobody knew about it. There is always use for pussy whether it's just for a BJ a hand job or what have you. I'm guilty of it at least in my mind!
America is prison mentality. You either take or you get what you get. Luckily there are those of us that can leave the playing field.
NicFrenchy
04-27-09, 04:56
The culture. American men are always going out of their way to be nice to women in the hope of getting some pussy. Many, immigrant women soon realize that pussy rules in America. Then they promptly use it to whip the men chasing after them into shape. Soon after daily supplication from scores of vagina worshipers the women lose all respect for American men and treat them accordingly to the approval of her American sisters.
As long as men buy women free drinks, dinners and jewelry in order to "get lucky," women who come to this country will continue to change. They're just adapting to their surroundings.
Well said and Fairly true.
DJ FourMoney
04-27-09, 10:47
We have just started to see the effects of this mess...
On the social front however local pussy will not improve very much. True that many single mothers and newly single divorced women are moving back in with their parents. Men do not hold them accountable for "going backwards" as women call us "Loser" for the same thing.
We as group (by us I mean We on this forum) must continue to do what works for us. Why stay local to save money? You will spend more locally to get nothing than you would spending a little more and going overseas.
Mexico despite the recent flu scare is still super affordable (13.5-1 exchange) and if you just require sex and not much else (GFE) then $60 is a flipping bargain.
If you require long term relations, your best option is still outside the country if your not a conformist...
Let's be honest, in all sectors and age groups you will do better overseas.
But this isn't for everybody.
Having lived in Latin America for six plus years, I can assure you that age discrimination is a real problem here. It's a real problem for the local guys! Latina women, many of whom have Electra complexes, often prefer older men for many reasons. That holds true whether they are into local men, gringos, or both. The older I get, the more sorry I feel for these local guys. Not.
American men let American women push them around, so they get pushed around. It's like baseball. If the hitter crowds the plate, the pitcher must throw high and tight to reclaim that portion of the plate that is rightfully his. It doesn't mean the pitcher has to throw at the batter's head.
Do you guys believe in the hereafter? I am not religious, but I believe in the hereafter. You need to talk to these American women about your belief in the hereafter. Now, in any dating situation, you don't want to talk about deeply held beliefs on the first date. Personally, I think the third date is an appropriate time to discuss the hereafter. As in, "If you're not here after what I'm here after, you're going to be here after I'm gone."
For four years now I've been fucking this Latina (among many others, of course). She is 34 and I am 51. She lives with a local guy to whom she variously refers as her boyfriend, husband, or partner, depending on her mood and the circumstances. They are not legally married. He is 29 or 30 and has a steady job. She runs her own barber shop. He pays all the bills. She comes over and fucks me once or twice a week. Because she has this (whatever you want to call him; "cuckold" comes to mind but some of you will need to look that up), we can't go out in public.
Imagine how disappointed I am that I can't take her out to eat, take her to the movies, or take her shopping. I can't meet her family or any of her friends. She comes over, we have coffee or tea and chat a bit, we fuck, I cook a meal, she does the dishes, we fuck again, she makes the bed, and then I give her $45 US and she leaves. I feel so used. Truly, it's devastating.
But she can't really compete with an American woman because she lacks so many things such as tattoos; piercings; children; cigarette, alcohol, and drug use; a pot belly; and stretch marks. I just wish she would stop borrowing my car all the time. Oh, wait a minute; I don't have or need a car and she does not know how to drive.
You guys just can't imagine how much I miss the deeper and more soulful relationships I used to have with American women, where sex was a sacred thing and I had to be in tune with their feelings in order for it to happen every so often on their terms.
ThatGuy865
04-28-09, 05:17
Having lived in Latin America for six plus years, I can assure you that age discrimination is a real problem here. It's a real problem for the local guys! Latina women, many of whom have Electra complexes, often prefer older men for many reasons. That holds true whether they are into local men, gringos, or both. The older I get, the more sorry I feel for these local guys. Not.
American men let American women push them around, so they get pushed around. It's like baseball. If the hitter crowds the plate, the pitcher must throw high and tight to reclaim that portion of the plate that is rightfully his. It doesn't mean the pitcher has to throw at the batter's head.
Do you guys believe in the hereafter? I am not religious, but I believe in the hereafter. You need to talk to these American women about your belief in the hereafter. Now, in any dating situation, you don't want to talk about deeply held beliefs on the first date. Personally, I think the third date is an appropriate time to discuss the hereafter. As in, "If you're not here after what I'm here after, you're going to be here after I'm gone."
For four years now I've been fucking this Latina (among many others, of course). She is 34 and I am 51. She lives with a local guy to whom she variously refers as her boyfriend, husband, or partner, depending on her mood and the circumstances. They are not legally married. He is 29 or 30 and has a steady job. She runs her own barber shop. He pays all the bills. She comes over and fucks me once or twice a week. Because she has this (whatever you want to call him; "cuckold" comes to mind but some of you will need to look that up), we can't go out in public.
Imagine how disappointed I am that I can't take her out to eat, take her to the movies, or take her shopping. I can't meet her family or any of her friends. She comes over, we have coffee or tea and chat a bit, we fuck, I cook a meal, she does the dishes, we fuck again, she makes the bed, and then I give her $45 US and she leaves. I feel so used. Truly, it's devastating.
But she can't really compete with an American woman because she lacks so many things such as tattoos; piercings; children; cigarette, alcohol, and drug use; a pot belly; and stretch marks. I just wish she would stop borrowing my car all the time. Oh, wait a minute; I don't have or need a car and she does not know how to drive.
You guys just can't imagine how much I miss the deeper and more soulful relationships I used to have with American women, where sex was a sacred thing and I had to be in tune with their feelings in order for it to happen every so often on their terms.I have a buddy here is the US doing the same thing. And better yet the girl is in her 20's and he doesn't pay her anything. She lives in the same complex and her husband works nights (postal worker), so she tip toes over to my buddies and he services her like twice a week. Some times she even brings the meal. Oh and she's hot. I wish I was doing her. Thats for sure.
DkFatBastard
04-28-09, 05:43
For four years now I've been fucking this Latina (among many others, of course). She is 34 and I am 51. She lives with a local guy to whom she variously refers as her boyfriend, husband, or partner, depending on her mood and the circumstances. They are not legally married. He is 29 or 30 and has a steady job. She runs her own barber shop. He pays all the bills. She comes over and fucks me once or twice a week. Because she has this (whatever you want to call him; "cuckold" comes to mind but some of you will need to look that up), we can't go out in public.
Imagine how disappointed I am that I can't take her out to eat, take her to the movies, or take her shopping. I can't meet her family or any of her friends. She comes over, we have coffee or tea and chat a bit, we fuck, I cook a meal, she does the dishes, we fuck again, she makes the bed, and then I give her $45 US and she leaves. I feel so used. Truly, it's devastating.
But she can't really compete with an American woman because she lacks so many things such as tattoos; piercings; children; cigarette, alcohol, and drug use; a pot belly; and stretch marks. I just wish she would stop borrowing my car all the time. Oh, wait a minute; I don't have or need a car and she does not know how to drive.
You guys just can't imagine how much I miss the deeper and more soulful relationships I used to have with American women, where sex was a sacred thing and I had to be in tune with their feelings in order for it to happen every so often on their terms.
You poor poor guy :-)
ROFLMAO
hey it ain't all peaches and cream. latinos have a different concept of time. one night last week she told me she would come over and she didn't, but said she would be over in the morning. i cried all the way to the nearest wh@rehouse. this is an extremely difficult situation because i live on the 22nd floor and i have to decide whether to go all the way down to the lobby and then two doors down and pay $25 us or go to either the 17th floor (which i have to go down a flight of stairs since one set of elevators serves the even numbered floors and another the odd numbered) or the 14th floor and pay $20 us.
you fucks don't realize the complex decision matrices you encounter when there are literally 50 wh@houses within a 5 block radius of your house. check out
www.gozanos.com.ar
which is just a rough example of what i have to deal with every day. or
www.eltemplodeandrea.com
where they brutally [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) you the minute you walk in the door. it just makes me feel so violated.
Having lived in Latin America for six plus years, I can assure you that age discrimination is a real problem here...
For four years now I've been fucking this Latina (among many others, of course). She is 34 and I am 51...Imagine how disappointed I am that I can't take her out to eat...She comes over...we fuck, I cook a meal, she does the dishes, we fuck again, she makes the bed, and then I give her $45 US and she leaves. I feel so used...
But she can't really compete with an American woman because she lacks so many things such as tattoos; piercings; children; cigarette, alcohol, and drug use; a pot belly; and stretch marks...
You guys just can't imagine how much I miss the deeper and more soulful relationships I used to have with American women, where sex was a sacred thing and I had to be in tune with their feelings...
Thanks DickH, you always make me laugh. He's only truly cuckolded if it's known to him and his community.
I see so many decent looking AM with fat fugly AW. So yes, AM are desparate schmucks who lower their standards. Not all, to be sure, but far too many who are more than willing to assist AW in their delusions.
Gotta love the age discrimination. Going soon to S. America to visit my friend. She's 32 I'm in my late 40's. She asks for nothing monetarily, is a well-paid educated professional, sees our age differential as perfect, and doesn't care that I'm not rich and I don't shower her with expensive gifts.
Have another one in Japan, similar conditions.
Both of them have banging hot bodies, great attitudes, are enjoyable friends, fuck my brains out, I make dinner, they do the dishes, we fuck again. I don't pay them anything. Not that there's anything wrong with that!
Met an AW at work, a single mom, very attractive. At first she was friendly, positive, seemed receptive to knowing me. But then after we had spent more time together I made the mistake of telling her of a visit from my Japanese friend, she immediately iced over, asking why I "can't" (not won't) find anyone closer.
Chocha Monger
04-28-09, 16:31
I disagree. Have you seen some of the P4P ladies on CL. All freaking shapes and sizes. There are ladies on there that I would not fuck with your dick....had one lady, a 3 toothed BBW, who has ads on CL, tell me her phone was always ringing off the hook. Of course I made a U turn when I saw her. For most American men there is no minimum level of physical attractiveness, we will fuck anything that moves, if we are horny enough.......including a hole in a tree.
Captain,
I can’t relate to that level of desperation. If a woman isn’t attractive by commonly accepted measures, clean and mentally stable to some degree I can’t see myself rooting her even with guarantees that no one else would ever know. I need to see a pleasing physical profile to get an erection. It has always been that way for me even as a teenager with raging hormones. I always turned down the fat and ugly chicks. Some guys settled for a warm wet place to stick their dicks.
Pleasure should be about memories that you can cherish not images that you have to repress. You have to be pretty ruthless to fuck someone who is not sexually appealing to you in the least respect. It’s not as though coming and shitting are the same. You can shit in any toilet relieve yourself. The appearance of the toilet doesn’t matter though the sanitary aspect might. The main aim is to relieve your bowels. Fucking any woman for sexual release, no matter how repulsive, requires you to regard pussy in the same regard as a toilet.
Then again there are guys out there who get off on that shit. They get a rush out of fucking fat women, ugly women, crippled women, even psycho women. However, I don’t believe this is typical of the average American male. If it were, the marketers would need to redefine who qualifies as a model for cosmetic and beer commercials.
Then again there are guys out there who get off on that shit. They get a rush out of fucking fat women, ugly women, crippled women, even psycho women. However, I don’t believe this is typical of the average American male. If it were, the marketers would need to redefine who qualifies as a model for cosmetic and beer commercials.I think it is much simpler. In general AM would prefer good-looking women. The only reason they settle with not so good-looking women because nothing else is available.
Recently in an airplane I saw a family - 3 kids and a guy, very decently-looking, probably in his mid 40s. I thought it was only him and his 3 kids. There was an old women next to him, I thought she was going separately, or maybe their grandma. I was shocked when heard that the kids call her mommy.
My impression(of course I could be wrong, I'm not from USA) that many guys in USA would settle with the first pussy they find no matter how ugly it is.
Of course there are some good-looking girls too, I guess not enough for everybody unfortunately.
Just another example. Once on an airplane to Curacao, next to me was a good-looking guy. Next to him was a fatty pretty ugly women. She was also looking really pissed because of something. It was also quite a surprise to find out that it was his GF/fiance/wife. I could not understand why in the first place you'd to to Curacao with a girl;) unless she is gorgeous. But the worse, why would you hang out with this type of a girl anyway if you're a normal guy.
i think it is much simpler. in general am would prefer good-looking women. the only reason they settle with not so good-looking women because nothing else is available.
when i was in my twenties and was watching peers get married and started being around more married guys, i used to wonder about some of the women these guys chose to marry. now for myself, i would choose a great personality over a pretty face, as i know it is not worth the drama to get with a pretty woman who is psychotic.
as some of these guys turned to cheating on their wives and i saw lots of married guys mongering, i began to think that some guys intenionally marry women they are not attracted to (for some reason, perhaps money) and then get hot pussy on the side. i now see that many of those guys had that as their game plan right from the start.
ThatGuy865
04-29-09, 03:09
I think a lot of this is just generalizations. There are fat and ugly women in every country who are married.
There is no country where the majority of women are beautiful. If that was the case, it would be known all around the world.
Also AM have to also look at them selves. A lot of AM are just as fat if not fatter than AW. So if anything they match, its not a one way street.
If you are good looking then you will attract and can get good looking AW, unless you lack confidence, or are impatient and think a woman is suppose to fuck you just cause you ask. Otherwise there are plenty of fine AW.
Let face there is every race on earth in America, so if you like japanese women. America has them.
You like Brazilian. America has them.
You name it. They are in America. So obviously there has to be plenty of beautiful slim AW.
A lot of mongers are just salty on AW because they have had bad relationships or been turned down by the beautiful women, so their only recourse is to put them down to justify having to go where there are easier pickings.
Most of the time its easier not because the women are different. They are just poorer and looking for the best provider like AW.
when i was in my twenties and was watching peers get married and started being around more married guys, i used to wonder about some of the women these guys chose to marry. now for myself, i would choose a great personality over a pretty face, as i know it is not worth the drama to get with a pretty woman who is psychotic.
as some of these guys turned to cheating on their wives and i saw lots of married guys mongering, i began to think that some guys intenionally marry women they are not attracted to (for some reason, perhaps money) and then get hot pussy on the side. i now see that many of those guys had that as their game plan right from the start.i guess it's good for them if it works out. but i would still marry a beautiful girl (i've done it once, and have no regrets at all although i divorced her) and still if necessary would monger.
i see no point to marry a woman you are not attracted too. why would you force yourself to be with a women you do not like?
also potentially it could be really a problem. for example one my friend married an aw when they were in their early twenties. she was a relatively good person(compared to other aw) but far from good-looking.
in about 10 years she was becoming fatter and fatter, then had some kids, but the guy was still looking young and good. so he ended up cheating on her. eventually she found out, so they had divorce, courts, spending lots of money on lawyers to have his right to see kids, etc..
so i see no point to marry a bad-looking woman even though you plan on cheating on her. since she can be capable to mess you up really badly.
for now the only option i see is to marry(or live with) a beautiful girl in another country and not to deal with this usa drama bullshit. and still have access to other hot girls whenever i need to.
DJ FourMoney
04-29-09, 13:12
I think a lot of this is just generalizations. There are fat and ugly women in every country who are married.
There is no country where the majority of women are beautiful. If that was the case, it would be known all around the world.
Also AM have to also look at them selves. A lot of AM are just as fat if not fatter than AW. So if anything they match, its not a one way street.
If you are good looking then you will attract and can get good looking AW, unless you lack confidence, or are impatient and think a woman is suppose to fuck you just cause you ask. Otherwise there are plenty of fine AW.
Let face there is every race on earth in America, so if you like japanese women. America has them.
You like Brazilian. America has them.
You name it. They are in America. So obviously there has to be plenty of beautiful slim AW.
A lot of mongers are just salty on AW because they have had bad relationships or been turned down by the beautiful women, so their only recourse is to put them down to justify having to go where there are easier pickings.
Most of the time its easier not because the women are different. They are just poorer and looking for the best provider like AW.
Well you seem like a guy that's had a fair amount of success with AW, this would be the only reason why you would come in this thread posting stuff like this.
I am not salty at all.
That's an assumption and you know what happens when you "think" you know something.
By American standards I'm a looser. I don't make a killing at work, I live at home and I drive a car somebody in their early 20's should be driving. I'll be the first to admit I'm not in a position to support anybody but myself and even that's a stretch.
That is the three strikes rule with AW women. Starting at the top of course...
Now if you just HAVE to have a relationship, you can downgrade. However I find it very problematic to have to "settle" because I have up to this point decided to live an unconventional lifestyle.
You basically have two choices -
Date what you can (which many American men of all stripes end up doing)
Not Date at all (which many won't do for various reasons)
This gives average and below average women power in the marketplace where they really shouldn't have any.
In Latin countries, you are the man BE ONE. This is not measured by how much money is in your wallet or what car you drive as Dickhead has pointed out several times.
In America its backwards, you have to prove your worthy, I find that disturbing.
Just what IS a attractive single mother with 2 or 3 children worth on the open market? Less than a equally attractive girl without children you can be for sure, but the single mother until she is burned several times will not lower her requirements, in fact they double or triple because of the children.
So at 38 years old, are you trying to tell me even if I don't lack self confidence that I should have no trouble dating? To be fair I limit myself quite a bit, so my market is very narrow.
The market in a target rich environment such as Los Angeles is based on factors that I just can't compete with. Once I upgrade my status to be able to compete, I won't be available, not to local talent anyway and that's by design.
There are not enough women in America that disagree with the "made up ideal man" check list that many women here have, just read any personal ad...
If you're lucky enough to date locally, you'll find your selection is not what its cracked up to be, given what's on the surface.
In short dating/marrying American women in most cases creates more problems than it solves, especially since the problem is (the lack of...) companionship and intimacy, the other bullshit shouldn't matter really, but it does....
Gentleman Travel
04-29-09, 15:40
I agree that it is not a one-way street.
There are lots of fabulous looking AW and lots of fat & ugly AM.
And there seems to be a lot of bitterness and woman-hating guys in here.
But I think there are two fundamental problems with American culture that guys here are trying to deal with (or avoid).
Problem #1 is that many women have been socialized to believe that being sexy is the opposite of being smart or good, rather than a healthy complement to those qualities. Thus a woman can let her looks go, justifying it as unimportant, since "she is not THAT kind of girl" and believing that her other qualities should more than compensate for this superficial shortcoming. Of course the irony of this is that a woman who has "let herself go" probably lacks some important internal qualities like discipline, healthy habits and self-perception.
The other insidious part of this is that western women then downplay the importance of sexiness and sex in their relationships. Once hooked, it is okay to turn off the taps. Sexiness is just for cheap girls anyway. Whereas women in other markets understand fully the importance of keeping their men satisfied at home - knowing there are women out there who will please their men if they don't.
Problem #2 is that couple's attributes can diverge over time. Yes lots of women lose their looks after child birth or years of hard work, while many men gain stature and prestige through professional success - and physical good looks were always defined differently for men in the first place and not so susceptible to the ravages of time. (Of course the reverse also happens, just not so much).
So we end up with a middle-aged couple - the woman well past her glory and the man in his prime. The man still wants sex and excitement, but probably has to go outside his marriage to obtain it. This is common to many cultures and countries. But many cultures have created coping mechanisms - often a mistress culture or at least a greater difference in age from the beginning. In other countries the wife knows that as she ages her husband will probably want to take a younger mistress and more or less accepts this reality, whether consciously or not. Couples live and let live. The man just wants to have fun and the woman just wants a contented home and security.
But in America an extra-marital affairis almost always a marriage-buster (regardless of how commonplace they are), leading to an expensive and acrimonious divorce. Even prostitution is illegal, which is not the norm in the rest of the world. And both these actions still carry a certain social stigma. This is not the case in many/most European countries and certainly not in the third world.
So a guy is trapped with no easy outlet for sexual gratification, unless goes outside the societal norm and blows up his marriage.
I think a lot of this is just generalizations. There are fat and ugly women in every country who are married.
There is no country where the majority of women are beautiful. If that was the case, it would be known all around the world.
Also AM have to also look at them selves. A lot of AM are just as fat if not fatter than AW. So if anything they match, its not a one way street.
If you are good looking then you will attract and can get good looking AW, unless you lack confidence, or are impatient and think a woman is suppose to fuck you just cause you ask. Otherwise there are plenty of fine AW.
Let face there is every race on earth in America, so if you like japanese women. America has them.
You like Brazilian. America has them.
You name it. They are in America. So obviously there has to be plenty of beautiful slim AW.
A lot of mongers are just salty on AW because they have had bad relationships or been turned down by the beautiful women, so their only recourse is to put them down to justify having to go where there are easier pickings.
Most of the time its easier not because the women are different. They are just poorer and looking for the best provider like AW.
Well said, Gentleman Travel.
ThatGuy:
Making generalizations is how we survive as individuals and as a species. Generalizing has been given an unjustly bad rap. If food smells spoiled I won't eat it. Unfair generalization perhaps, as it could be perfectly safe to eat. I win. I survive. Good generalization.
Sure there are a tiny number of AW who are attractive and have good attitude. But it's like finding a needle in a haystack. The odds make it not worth the trouble.
Have you taken a little time to read of some of the experiences here? And the news reports referenced here?
It's not necessarily about poor countries. Rich countries like Japan have "average" looking chicks who are totally hot by AW standards, who are feminine (can't find that too often among mannish AWs) and love sex (also hard to find in our sex-hating culture, thanks to feminism & religious wackos).
Have you traveled much abroad? If so, you'd see how what is considered average looks in many countries is considered a knockout here.
You refer to "Japanese" or "Brazilians" who are in the US. While they may appear as such, if they were born here or have been here since childhood they are as AW as anyone. Meaning they have been polluted and have that same sense of entitlement, materialism, have the Oprah-induced/endorced victim mentality, and will soon be very fat. You go to China or Japan and you see very few fatties. But they come here at age ten, and 15 years later they are as fat and nasty as anyone. After marriage they let themselves go, becoming slovenly, with "athletic warm-up" (yeah right as if they ever see the inside of a gym!) suits becoming the norm.
The key is for me is to find someone already grown up who won't change overnight after arriving here, probably over age 30, so pretty set in her ways.
While it's true that an equal percentage of AM are as overweight as AW, when it come to the morbidly obese there are far more AW than AM. But I brush that argument aside anyway as I am in my late-40's and still fit, so I am entirely justified in finding a fat woman to be unacceptable.
If you still don't believe we are in Sex Prison USA, scroll back a little and read about IMBA, yet another triumph in the march to control and quash male sexuality.
Doctor_Skank
04-29-09, 20:37
I agree that it is not a one-way street.
There are lots of fabulous looking AW and lots of fat & ugly AM.
And there seems to be a lot of bitterness and woman-hating guys in here.
But I think there are two fundamental problems with American culture that guys here are trying to deal with (or avoid).
Problem #1 is that many women have been socialized to believe that being sexy is the opposite of being smart or good, rather than a healthy complement to those qualities. Thus a woman can let her looks go, justifying it as unimportant, since "she is not THAT kind of girl" and believing that her other qualities should more than compensate for this superficial shortcoming. Of course the irony of this is that a woman who has "let herself go" probably lacks some important internal qualities like discipline, healthy habits and self-perception.
The other insidious part of this is that western women then downplay the importance of sexiness and sex in their relationships. Once hooked, it is okay to turn off the taps. Sexiness is just for cheap girls anyway. Whereas women in other markets understand fully the importance of keeping their men satisfied at home - knowing there are women out there who will please their men if they don't.
Problem #2 is that couple's attributes can diverge over time. Yes lots of women lose their looks after child birth or years of hard work, while many men gain stature and prestige through professional success - and physical good looks were always defined differently for men in the first place and not so susceptible to the ravages of time. (Of course the reverse also happens, just not so much).
So we end up with a middle-aged couple - the woman well past her glory and the man in his prime. The man still wants sex and excitement, but probably has to go outside his marriage to obtain it. This is common to many cultures and countries. But many cultures have created coping mechanisms - often a mistress culture or at least a greater difference in age from the beginning. In other countries the wife knows that as she ages her husband will probably want to take a younger mistress and more or less accepts this reality, whether consciously or not. Couples live and let live. The man just wants to have fun and the woman just wants a contented home and security.
But in America an extra-marital affairis almost always a marriage-buster (regardless of how commonplace they are), leading to an expensive and acrimonious divorce. Even prostitution is illegal, which is not the norm in the rest of the world. And both these actions still carry a certain social stigma. This is not the case in many/most European countries and certainly not in the third world.
So a guy is trapped with no easy outlet for sexual gratification, unless goes outside the societal norm and blows up his marriage.Brilliant post, totally on target. Are we long-lost twins? ))
I think a lot of this is just generalizations. There are fat and ugly women in every country who are married.
There is no country where the majority of women are beautiful. If that was the case, it would be known all around the world.That is true for sure. But the fact is that USA has probably some of the highest percentage of ugly fat women, and fewer ones who look good.
And there are some countries where it is actually kinda difficult to find a bad looking women.
If you are good looking then you will attract and can get good looking AW, unless you lack confidence, or are impatient and think a woman is suppose to fuck you just cause you ask. Otherwise there are plenty of fine AW.
I'm impatient for sure:) Also the way the majority of AW acts turns me off. Even though she's beautiful, many of them do not know how to behave,very loud, cocky, etc.. I'm not saying that all of them like this.
Otherwise I'm supposed to be attracted to many women regarding my job / money / phys shape / etc.. But it does not do anything good for me in the USA.
Let face there is every race on earth in America, so if you like japanese women. America has them.
You like Brazilian. America has them.
You name it. They are in America. So obviously there has to be plenty of beautiful slim AW.Where?:)
Yes, of course there are plenty of them. But what's the point if they are not available to you? A girlfriend does not count.
There are now some "Dating Gurus/Coaches/Pickup artists" who teach special tricks to meet and pick up chics. On one hand it's cool, on the other hand it is rediculous. It is not natural. And sometimes dumb. When you need to pretend that you're cool hoping that some ***** will pay some attention to you.
A lot of mongers are just salty on AW because they have had bad relationships or been turned down by the beautiful women, so their only recourse is to put them down to justify having to go where there are easier pickings.I actually have met very successful people, they have plenty of money, good looks, actually those who would be really wanted by AW. But they still prefer foreign women in other countries.
The fact is that no significant number of foreign men comes to USA to meet a USA women. Only a few, mostly for visa and documents. Not because a USA women will make a good wife, lover or mother to his children.
But USA men go all over the world to meet women for mongering and/or to start a family.
After this simple dumb fact that how can one argue that AW are no worse than others?
Chocha Monger
04-30-09, 01:32
it’s rather amusing to see guys run for the hills as soon as the “woman-hater” and “bitter” labels come out. the last time i perused this thread i didn’t see anyone advocating the beating, killing, [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) or oppression of women. these are all actions of hatred. therefore i find it curious that none of the “woman-haters” here are calling for such action against women. it is interesting to note that most feminists and their sympathizers would consider anyone who is a member of a forum with the express purpose of finding women and fucking them to be a woman-hater.
so, are you a woman-hater? are you expressing feeling of hatred when you find some slim cutie, spread her legs, eat her pussy like chicken, stick your hard prick in her pussy, come in or on her, and pay her? are you carrying out a patent act of violence upon this woman’s person? most american women would say yes. they would say that you’re a sick bastard, a predator. you should be locked up somewhere so that you cannot continue to perpetrate violence on the world’s women with your wallet and your penis.
merriam-webster definition:
bitterness: marked by intensity or severity: a: accompanied by severe pain or suffering <a bitter death> b: being relentlessly determined : vehement <a bitter partisan> c: exhibiting intense animosity <bitter enemies> d (1): harshly reproachful <bitter complaints> (2): marked by cynicism and rancor <bitter contempt> e: intensely unpleasant especially in coldness or rawness <a bitter wind>
some members of the american women thread are expressing their experiences with american women accompanied by severe pain or suffering. they are relentlessly determined. they are exhibiting intense animosity towards a system that they perceive as being unfair towards men. therefore, they are harshly reproachful of it. some of their views of relationships between male and females in american are marked by cynicism.
does being bitter make one’s position on an issue any less valid? if someone murdered your family wouldn’t you feel bitter towards that person? perhaps, the court should let the murderer go on the grounds of your bitterness. after all, being wronged doesn’t justify your bitterness. right?
american men are bitter because women asked for equal rights and were given it, but they never gave up their privileged position as the “weaker sex.” they still expect free food and drink. they expect half or more of a man’s belongings in a divorce regardless of who is at fault or who wants out. they judge men on their income but raise hell when men judge them on their attractiveness. these and numerous other grievances have already been discussed at length in the forum.
while no country may have a majority of beautiful women there are countries that have a greater percentage of beautiful women than the united states. for example, brazil has a reputation throughout the world for having a large population of beautiful women. one can also form one’s own opinion by counting the number of times that a hot chick goes by when you travel versus when you’re at home in the us. the fact is that most american chicks have a very short shelf-life. the pretty ones are usually only attractive from their late teens to early twenties. after that their ass explodes. guts are increasingly common among young females. don’t believe it? take a look around the mall next time. by the time american chicks hit their thirties they look tired and worn out. maybe, it’s all the free drinks and cigarettes that they get in the night clubs.
ready made family. add water shake and stir. respect not included. american women expect you to accept and financially support their kids from previous relationships as if they were your own. never mind that the real father has his balls in a vise for child support and is probably being denied visitation. single mommy public opinion says that you’ll support these children if you love her and put up with the disrespect from the kids. if you watch the discovery channel you would know that this is not a realistic expectation. single and divorced fathers are not given the same second or third chances like single mommies. do you have doubts? check out a few online dating sites. you’ll see many female profiles stating that they do not want divorced men or men with children. why? they know that the bulk of your money is already going to another woman. american women have no interest in owning a field when the crops have already been harvested.
am i amazed that american men are bitter? hell no! if anything i am amazed that they are not even more so. a lot of these guys make a second go at marriage with – you guessed it – american women. either these guys are very resilient, very foolish or both.
some american guys are fat. so, they deserve a fat woman. that’s only logical right? well, let’s take a look at what american men have to do to bring home the bacon. americans work more hours than most other workers. they often have only 30 minutes to grab an unhealthy fattening meal from the company cafeteria, if one exists, or the nearest fast food joint. the better paying managerial jobs require lots of time at the desk and it isn’t unusual for employers to demand 12 to 14 hour work days. when he gets home he has to spend quality time with his wife. exercise isn’t a priority unless she does it together with him. if he is unlucky, instead of a home cooked meal she will order pizza or chinese food. in some cases she’ll just heat up a microwave dinner. still, that is not the worst. highly paid road warriors can expect to eat as the opportunity presents itself. this means missed meals, unhealthy meals and over eating due to prolonged hunger. meanwhile, his stay at home wife has ample time to go to the gym and prepare healthy meals. instead, she spends her time shopping, on the phone and watching soaps while snacking on potato chips. her ass grows fat, but that’s okay because her husband is getting fat too. never mind that it’s largely due to his job. he has to be a stud and work long hours to pay for the luxury suv, big house in the suburbs, upscale shopping trips and anything else it takes to keep her happy.
let’s say that you look like jabba the hutt and have similar sexual appetites. why can’t you have a nice slim sexy woman if you can afford one? i can’t think of a good reason why not. you see, in the end it’s always about money in america. recently, there was a big stink in the mainstream media about a proposal to make marriage into 5 or 10 year renewable contracts instead of “until death.” many women called in to defend the “sanctity” of marriage. how sacred do you think marriage is to women when they initiate divorce in the majority of the cases? yet, they never fail to come forward to defend it against proposals for limited charter and gays. can it be that they are defending their sacred rights to at least half of a man’s assets?
some guys get a little ass from american chicks and then they start telling everyone else that something must be wrong with them if they don’t like american chicks. others have sisters or daughters and they want them to have the upper hand in relationships. these guys come here and act like aw. they start the name calling and instead of standing your ground you run for the hills. if aw are so great why are their supporters on a sex travel site? why are they fucking foreign women or interested in doing so? if you guys keep running for the hills every time someone throws the politically correct ball at you things will never get better at home. don’t feel that you have to defend american women just because you’re american and some of them are your relatives. please don’t be that guy. patriotism and family ties are not in question here.
ThatGuy865
04-30-09, 02:23
Ok Gents, allow me to retort.
Yogin. There are PLENTY of fine, beautiful AW. Go to any spring break location, Movies, Porn stars. South Beach in Florida, or Venice/Santa Monica/Newport beaches in Cali. Plenty of Fine thong wearing woman roller blading along these beaches. Go to NY and see all the model types walking around. Saying the US has only a Tiny number of fine women is just outright wrong.
If your theory that asian women that are born in america are all fat and ugly. Then it would be easy to tell which are born here and which are not. Can you? . NO.
Asians for the most part do not look fat (to westerners) even when they are. Their physics are naturally slim, even in America. San Fransico, has plenty of fine American Asians, for that matter all over Cali, New York, a nd other parts of the USA As well, Los Angeles has the largest Korean population outside of Korea, what they all turned fat. None kept their NATURAL korean figures even though they still eat mainly korean food.
Please statements like that are just outright WRONG.
Now Gentlemen T.
I don't know where you get this idea that AW think if they look good they have to be DUMB. That beauty and brains don't go together.
A lot of MEN prefer them that way, so women tend to act in a way to attract the most men. You hear it all the time from Smart, successful women who are beautiful, how they have problems attracting men. Men can be intimidated by women who might be smarter and earn more than them.
Secondly Beautiful women, don't have to be smart because MEN everywhere bend over backwards to spoil beautiful women (if she wants to be a gold digger and not make her own way).
Your point # 2 which I think is the most valid issue I have read, has its flaws too. Most (not All) AM & AW both are fat/overweight by middle age in america. So I get your point of a man wanting a young woman for sex. I myself do. I would be unfaithful if I married (for a 3rd time).
As for these other countries being accepting of a man having a mistress. Now thats where I think you are wrong. MOST of the countries where this takes place, its mainly because the women have no choice. The women do not have the earning capacity of Men. Also thSe countries do not have social program to assist women with hardships which she might encounter, if she leaves. Therefore they MUST stay or frankly be homeless, which makes it seem like they are accepting of the infidelity, but aren't, and just don't have any recourse but to accept it.
If they were truely accepting of the concept, when they came to america, they wouldn't change. But once they come to a place where they have other options. You see how fast their attitudes change. And its now a slow process either, which it would be if they truely were accepting of infidelity.
Thats what make AW a challenge verses other countries. Our woman have options and know it.
The fact that you can go to another country and find a beautiful woman isn't because their standards are any different than AW. The bottom line is they are POORER. And a AM no matter what he looks like, to them is a much better provider than a man from their country.
How many Fat, or Old AM or AM period, do you see with wealthy woman from those countries. You can count them on 1 hand, so if money wasn't the issue you'd find their wealthy flocking to AM also. But you don't.
Just want to give another perspective on things, not trying to inflame anyone.
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Thank you thank you.
I couldn't have said it better myself!
Nominate for Reports of Distinction.
However I do beg to differ on one thing: I don't accept anyone's excuses for letting themselves go, unless there's some kind of serious chronic illness or disability involved. We agree to disagree on that one.
Bango Cheito
04-30-09, 06:26
Both AW and AM are a lot fatter on average because the food is a lot more fattening in America than it is in other places. It has very little to do with people's bad habits and much more to do with a shit food supply.
This is also why it's not the same to find a Brazilian in the US, for example, as a Brazilian in Brazil. In Brazil it's just much healthier to live there, so people naturally look better. You take that same Brazilian hottie out of her environment and put her in any US city and in a couple year's her body is shot all to hell.
I lived 11 years in NYC, now almost 9 months in Bogota... there is no doubt in my mind that women here are ten times finer in every aspect. And NYC is one of the BEST places to find women in the US.
Gentleman Travel
04-30-09, 15:17
Lots of good comments and insights in this discussion.
Chonga, we don't disagree as much as you think.
You agree that many guys on here are somewhat bitter, which shapes their outlook on life and love.
Hey, I'm bittter too. Bitter about the lost years of accepting sub-standard sex (quality and quantity) from my wife and girlfriends. But I focus that bitterness on the individuals involved, rather than on the species as a whole, including myself for being such a wussy for not demanding better service all along. But then it is hard to do that during the baby-raising years and hard to get back on track later. Still, if I knew then what I know now....
You are right that even the most "senstive" guy here would get burned to the stake in any feminist court.
Both AW and AM are a lot fatter on average because the food is a lot more fattening in America than it is in other places. It has very little to do with people's bad habits and much more to do with a shit food supply.
I disagree on that one point. It is all about bad habits and poor choices.
Americans have more food options - and more money and cheaper food - than almost anyone else on earth. They also have more information about the foods and choices they make. Americans have great food options available, it just involves driving the SUV past McDonalds and all the way to the grocery store, then actually cooking a meal. The science is proven and raw materials are easily available.
However, the fact that in many cultures people eat healthier or at least are not as fat, does not always imply any moral superiority - it has to do with lack of choices. Either they are forced to eat local fresh food that they catch or pick or barter for, or they simply cannot afford enough food to over-eat, or they eat whatever crap comes their way but the energy they expend just to live keeps them reasonably fit, or at least not fat.
Russian girls aren't slim and gorgeous because of their healthy food choices and marvellous fresh ingredients. Much of their food would choke a horse. But often they cannot afford much of it (and are prepared to trim their food budget to buy nice clothes), or they have to expend so much energy walking instead of driving that they burn those calories off. As their income goes up, watch those waistlines grow!
ThatGuy865
04-30-09, 18:43
I believe Americans have fallen victims of our economic success and technological advances which have made our society fat.
Americans have always ate fatty foods, Look at any traditional Southern meal, it usual consisted of fried chicken, or fatty hamk, or a fat steak, potatoes, bread, some type of vegetable. Then of course a slice of pie with ice cream toppings. This was a usual meal before the 80's.
The problem started once products such as cars, became affordable for the average person. The average american doesn't walk any where. Everyone uses a washing MACHINE to wash their clothes. During the 60s you had to get off the couch to change the TV channel. No more. Women had to wash the Dishes themselves. Now a dishwasher is a standard appliance. We don't even chop our own vegetables. We have those chopper and shredders. Turning the key to unlock our car door became too much of hassle. So what did we do. Created remote controls for that. The average american doesn't have a single physical thing left that is necessary to do on a regular basis.
It is total different in most other countries. Especially the ones mongers tend to travel to. In a few especially in SEA, or SA. Like the PI, Cambodia, parts of Brazil, DR, the women are still hauling water to the house from a pump outside. They hand wash all their clothes. They walk everywhere, They have NO remotes. Food is made from scratch, and they beat, shred, and mix everything, some place they have to pluck and kill the chickens they eat. Dishes are hand washed. So its not that they are trying to stay slim. Its there economic situations and lack of appliances which makes them slim.
So as long as you keep them in their own countries and under the same conditions. They will remain in shape somewhat. Bring them to American and have them live our lifestyle and they will blow up, just like any american. Let alone the fast foods which are available 5 mins from everyone and available 24/7.
Kermitthefrog
04-30-09, 20:23
Sorry to break the mood but can we have a new thread with Opinions and advice about English Women?
This thread will be different from the American Women only because they'll have Bad Teeth... God, you gotta love "Family Guy"!
I wish we could go back to the days, when you had to go out and hunt for your food. Obesity did not exist at all. In some cases you became the HUNTED. If you were not a capable hunter, you were a dead man.
I believe Americans have fallen victims of our economic success and technological advances which have made our society fat.
Americans have always ate fatty foods, Look at any traditional Southern meal, it usual consisted of fried chicken, or fatty hamk, or a fat steak, potatoes, bread, some type of vegetable. Then of course a slice of pie with ice cream toppings. This was a usual meal before the 80's.
The problem started once products such as cars, became affordable for the average person. The average american doesn't walk any where. Everyone uses a washing MACHINE to wash their clothes. During the 60s you had to get off the couch to change the TV channel. No more. Women had to wash the Dishes themselves. Now a dishwasher is a standard appliance. We don't even chop our own vegetables. We have those chopper and shredders. Turning the key to unlock our car door became too much of hassle. So what did we do. Created remote controls for that. The average american doesn't have a single physical thing left that is necessary to do on a regular basis.
It is total different in most other countries. Especially the ones mongers tend to travel to. In a few especially in SEA, or SA. Like the PI, Cambodia, parts of Brazil, DR, the women are still hauling water to the house from a pump outside. They hand wash all their clothes. They walk everywhere, They have NO remotes. Food is made from scratch, and they beat, shred, and mix everything, some place they have to pluck and kill the chickens they eat. Dishes are hand washed. So its not that they are trying to stay slim. Its there economic situations and lack of appliances which makes them slim.
So as long as you keep them in their own countries and under the same conditions. They will remain in shape somewhat. Bring them to American and have them live our lifestyle and they will blow up, just like any american. Let alone the fast foods which are available 5 mins from everyone and available 24/7.
Jelly Donut
05-01-09, 02:40
While no country may have a majority of beautiful women there are countries that have a greater percentage of beautiful women than the United States. For example, Brazil has a reputation throughout the world for having a large population of beautiful women.
The average age of women in Brazil is much lower than in the United States. There's about a ten year difference in the median ages of women between the United States and Brazil. The median age of women in the United States is around 38 years old.
It's not so easy for a country where the median age of women is pushing 40 to win a per capita battle on beauty, but not for lack of trying. Marisa Tomei beats 4 out of 5 Brazilian hotties according to recent analysis here at Jelly Donut Research.
It could take some time before the median age of women in Brazil catches up with the median age of women in the United States, but someday it probably will. At that point, it will be obvious that Brazilians are not really that different from Americans.
NicFrenchy
05-01-09, 03:05
San Fransico, has plenty of fine American Asians, for that matter all over Cali, New York, a nd other parts of the USA As well, Los Angeles has the largest Korean population outside of Korea, what they all turned fat. None kept their NATURAL korean figures even though they still eat mainly korean food.
Agreed that they still eat mainly their country's food however, these foods in the US are not the same as you find in their home country. Most of it is processed and damages their bodies.
Texas, today, hosts 10 of the fattest cities in America (The palm goes to Houston). It's not because people eat only burgers, fries and deep fried wings, it's because most of the food is processed.
Asians are now also exposed to the same foods they know from back home, except they are made in the US and now they are "westernized" (using ketchup adn things everywhere).
I think it isn't fair to compare Asian living in the US and those in Asia because the food they eat is completely different.
The Main Problem in America is that most of the cooking is done using Hydrogenated oils (source of artificial trans fats), Even small quantities of as little as 1 to 2 grams of artificial trans fats/day have been shown in studies to be dangerous. For comparison, if you eat a normal order of fries at a fast food joint or any restaurant, you can easily get 5 grams or more of trans fats. Now if as little as 1 gram daily can be dangerous to your health, imagine what you’re doing to yourself with 5 grams…and that was only the fries! What about all of the cookies, cakes, chicken fingers, donuts, and other stuff people eat on a regular basis? Some people are getting more than 20-30 grams of trans fats every day and don’t even realize that they’re slowly killing themselves with this crap.
I believe this is why Asians are getting fat in the USA
(Sorry for the long post) :(
DJ FourMoney
05-01-09, 05:29
Lots of good comments and insights in this discussion.
Chonga, we don't disagree as much as you think.
You agree that many guys on here are somewhat bitter, which shapes their outlook on life and love.
Hey, I'm bittter too. Bitter about the lost years of accepting sub-standard sex (quality and quantity) from my wife and girlfriends. But I focus that bitterness on the individuals involved, rather than on the species as a whole, including myself for being such a wussy for not demanding better service all along. But then it is hard to do that during the baby-raising years and hard to get back on track later. Still, if I knew then what I know now....
You are right that even the most "senstive" guy here would get burned to the stake in any feminist court.
I disagree on that one point. It is all about bad habits and poor choices.
Americans have more food options - and more money and cheaper food - than almost anyone else on earth. They also have more information about the foods and choices they make. Americans have great food options available, it just involves driving the SUV past McDonalds and all the way to the grocery store, then actually cooking a meal. The science is proven and raw materials are easily available.
However, the fact that in many cultures people eat healthier or at least are not as fat, does not always imply any moral superiority - it has to do with lack of choices. Either they are forced to eat local fresh food that they catch or pick or barter for, or they simply cannot afford enough food to over-eat, or they eat whatever crap comes their way but the energy they expend just to live keeps them reasonably fit, or at least not fat.
Russian girls aren't slim and gorgeous because of their healthy food choices and marvellous fresh ingredients. Much of their food would choke a horse. But often they cannot afford much of it (and are prepared to trim their food budget to buy nice clothes), or they have to expend so much energy walking instead of driving that they burn those calories off. As their income goes up, watch those waistlines grow!
I couldn't have said it any better...
You spend anytime in the former eastern bloc when your used to especially American food choices, you will find that many things in say Kiev would choke a horse when American food is basically bad for you in the long term. But anything taken in moderation is okay.
There's nothing wrong with a having a big steak or a hamburger but when you do it day in and day out because that's all you can afford, that makes a difference.
I don't know anybody that enjoys cooking for themselves, its boring and lonely. So you tend to march down the frozen food section when your single and live alone. You also failed to mention comfort foods roll in social life. Both men and women are guilty of having nothing else to do but eat to cure the loneliness and boredom, at least I have a Playstation :)
But as Chocha said, Heavy Hitters shouldn't be the only ones rewarded with an attractive woman on their arm. What's really funny is that in most cases it will end up in divorce and they'll pay dearly for that arm candy.
DJ FourMoney
05-01-09, 05:42
The average age of women in Brazil is much lower than in the United States. There's about a ten year difference in the median ages of women between the United States and Brazil. The median age of women in the United States is around 38 years old.
It's not so easy for a country where the median age of women is pushing 40 to win a per capita battle on beauty, but not for lack of trying. Marisa Tomei beats 4 out of 5 Brazilian hotties according to recent analysis here at Jelly Donut Research.
It could take some time before the median age of women in Brazil catches up with the median age of women in the United States, but someday it probably will. At that point, it will be obvious that Brazilians are not really that different from Americans.
Well after the baby boom of the 50's, it tailed off in the 60's and 70's as more women entered college and then the workplace. This didn't happen in Western Europe until the mid 70's about the time most of the area had recovered from WWII.
Despite Nadya Suleman, the birthrate is 2.2 children, lower than I believe the 2.5 peak of the 60's. Women in America are just waiting later in life to have kids, so the average age of women here would be higher. There has been a sudden spike in teen pregnancy that should bring that average age down a bit over the next decade.
Well after the baby boom of the 50's, it tailed off in the 60's and 70's as more women entered college and then the workplace. This didn't happen in Western Europe until the mid 70's about the time most of the area had recovered from WWII.
Despite Nadya Suleman, the birthrate is 2.2 children, lower than I believe the 2.5 peak of the 60's. Women in America are just waiting later in life to have kids, so the average age of women here would be higher. There has been a sudden spike in teen pregnancy that should bring that average age down a bit over the next decade.
2.2 is too high. In the US, it was a bit below 2.0 in 2007. I think something around 1.85 or 1.90. Though, the rising Latino population is driving the birth rate up some because Latinos tend to have larger families than Anglos. If you look at only White women, the birth rate might be close to that of Europe, 1.5 or there abouts. In parts of Europe, such as Italy and Germany, the birth rate is 1.10-1.20. Japan may have fallen below 1.0 in the past few years.
The US is escaping population decline ONLY due to the high immigration rate we have from Latin America and south Asia. That is something that has not been discussed in the news regarding the current recession. A significant number of the foreigners who came here in the past 10 years and drove the population over 300 M, are returning to their home coutries looking for jobs. Some parts of the US lost tens of thousands of Mexicans in 2008. I live in Miami and I have driven through some neighborhoods FULL of abandoned homes that used to be owned by foreigners working in construction. It is really eerie to drive down a street with 30 homes and see 10 of them boarded up and another 10 with 'For Sale' signs. Only 10 look lived in.
For a man who wants to have children, the US is not a good place to find a suitable mate. (Unless you want to appear on Maury. LOL!)
Ok, everybody, answer this question. We all agree that North American women are absolutely useless in more ways than we can count, especially relating to sex. So how come when I stand in the supermarket checkout counter, all I see staring me in the face are magazines that go on and on (Cosmo being the most obvious example) about how they can give every guy great sex, and make it better and better? Isn't there a dichotomy someplace between this and the reality?
Ok, everybody, answer this question. We all agree that North American women are absolutely useless in more ways than we can count, especially relating to sex. So how come when I stand in the supermarket checkout counter, all I see staring me in the face are magazines that go on and on (Cosmo being the most obvious example) about how they can give every guy great sex, and make it better and better? Isn't there a dichotomy someplace between this and the reality?
Because those magazines, and the women who read them, are judging the quality of sex from their point of view, from a woman's point of view. Women think about how they would like great sex to be and them do what they think great sex is. Until a woman asks a man what great sex is, they will always suck in bed.
Furthermore, because great sex is a very personal matter, it changes from one man or woman to another. There is NO one-size-fits-all standard for what great sex is. So these magazines that are feeding the fantasy of a menu like set of acts that make up great sex, are doing nothing but BSing their female clientele. The women who read them are them full of BS, thinking that they are great in bed. They feel something is wrong with the man who doesn't respond like she is the greatest thing since the wheel.
A person, man or woman, needs to ask each individual sex partner what make sex great for him or her. Then provide what that person likes. That is what makes a person great in bed; communication, listening, doing.
Cloud Palms
05-02-09, 00:42
Ok, everybody, answer this question. We all agree that North American women are absolutely useless in more ways than we can count, especially relating to sex. So how come when I stand in the supermarket checkout counter, all I see staring me in the face are magazines that go on and on (Cosmo being the most obvious example) about how they can give every guy great sex, and make it better and better? Isn't there a dichotomy someplace between this and the reality?
The key word there is "every". I doubt the magazines will promote to American women to give every guy great sex. But to give the guys they want great service/sex. And what they want is outrageous for most guys. Heck if a guy did meet all the demands of American women they should still travel overseas and see what the outside of the cage is like.
Its a hypergamous society here where pretty much 10% of the guys get 90% of the women. Those are my rough estimates and it correlates to what a poster below was talking about odds and generalizing. I mean yeah its possible that you are one of the 10% that can get 90% of the women but is it really worth the time and effort to try to get to that point? Its definitely possible that there are some quality American women but how much crap do you have to filter through before you find that person?
Sure you may be great at basketball and love it to death but if youre not tall and black is it a good use of your time to try to make it to the NBA?
Its a hypergamous society here where pretty much 10% of the guys get 90% of the women.
Yes!
I haven't seen that mentioned before. It is so true. Those are the guys that have no idea what we are talking about. They fit into the grid right from the get go. However those are the guys that burn out and pay major divorce settlements.
Its a hypergamous society here where pretty much 10% of the guys get 90% of the women.
And what does it say about the American women, who are willing to be part of the 90% who are pursuing (or want to be pursued by) just 10% of the men?
Do we men behave similarly? Do 90% of us pursue 10% of the women who are attractive and nice personalities?
Where does US society end up? I have a guess/theory. Saudi Arabia has very strict rules about how men and women can interact. Young men complain thay can't meet women or get much sex. They go to extremes to make any type of contact with women. They have scanners that detect text messages within an area. If one seems ike it is from a woman, they start to text that phone with 'opening remarks/ice breakers' and see if she replies. Another tactic I read about is that some men dress up as women (wear the burka) and try to infiltrate women-only places. Dressing as woman is illegal for a man to do in Saudi Arabia.
When I lived in New York, I met guys who sort of decided to be gay in order to meet women. That doesn't make sense on the surface, but lots of NY women are/were faghags. They spent more time going out with gays than with straight guys.
In many ways, US sciety is turning upside down.
DJ FourMoney
05-03-09, 07:23
and what does it say about the american women, who are willing to be part of the 90% who are pursuing (or want to be pursued by) just 10% of the men?
do we men behave similarly? do 90% of us pursue 10% of the women who are attractive and nice personalities?
where does us society end up? i have a guess/theory. saudi arabia has very strict rules about how men and women can interact. young men complain thay can't meet women or get much sex. they go to extremes to make any type of contact with women. they have scanners that detect text messages within an area. if one seems ike it is from a woman, they start to text that phone with 'opening remarks/ice breakers' and see if she replies. another tactic i read about is that some men dress up as women (wear the burka) and try to infiltrate women-only places. dressing as woman is illegal for a man to do in saudi arabia.
when i lived in new york, i met guys who sort of decided to be gay in order to meet women. that doesn't make sense on the surface, but lots of ny women are/were faghags. they spent more time going out with gays than with straight guys.
in many ways, us sciety is turning upside down.
i'm not quite sure its "that bad".
i don't know anybody that pretends to be "gay" to attract women. you just have to be "exciting" to most of these women. most men aren't exciting, boring usually with no life experiences to speak of, unless you count juvenile practical jokes and visiting family in some tiny town nobody has heard of.
they are afraid of women, don't know what to say and don't know how to talk or even what to say if they do know how to talk. this is a majority of men, not just a few. look at any major nightclub in any city or medium size town and you see many men standing around while most of the women are dancing among themselves.
now some of this is the fact that rejection is taken to heart by many men and rather than risk being shot down, they don't bother. women of all stripes like confidence, some like arrogance even more.
we have been over this before or at least i have made a post about this before, there are good reasons why a majority of women end up going home alone on any given night out and a reason why many men go home alone, even in ideal conditions, like new year's eve.
i think most of us here don't have a problem talking too or approaching women, we just don't like the results or get a form of mild rejection which usually means you take their number and they never answer, its a fake number or they always give you an excuse.
those are games we won't tolerate and thus we end up going elsewhere.
saving thousands of dollars to fly overseas and spend a few hundred going down to mexico.
this is why this forum exist, its not filled with a bunch of sour grapes....
Doctor_Skank
05-03-09, 11:49
And what does it say about the American women, who are willing to be part of the 90% who are pursuing (or want to be pursued by) just 10% of the men?
In many ways, US sciety is turning upside down.Your analogy is a bit over the top. Nearly everybody I know in the US is in a relationship with a woman and in most cases surprisingly happy.
They may lack some of the excitement of sex that we mongers so vehemently pursue and in some ways take for granted, but that has more to do with them succumbing to the doldrums of everyday married life and their own lowered expectations of sexual availability and importance than anything else.
We mongers are spoiled and more sexually voracious than average people.
I'm not quite sure its "that bad".
I agree it is not "that bad" right now. I was speculating on how bad it might become if US society continues moving in the direction in wihch it seems to be moving.
I don't know anybody that pretends to be "gay" to attract women. You just have to be "exciting" to most of these women. Most men aren't exciting, boring usually with no life experiences to speak of, unless you count juvenile practical jokes and visiting family in some tiny town nobody has heard of.
They are afraid of women, don't know what to say and don't know how to talk or even what to say if they do know how to talk. This is a majority of men, not just a few. Look at any major nightclub in any city or medium size town and you see many men standing around while most of the women are dancing among themselves.
Now some of this is the fact that rejection is taken to heart by many men and rather than risk being shot down, they don't bother. Women of all stripes like confidence, some like arrogance even more.
I was focusing on New York City. There was a time, I guess the 80's and 90's, when the metrosexual type men were the ones women went with; not the macho/aggressive/assertive/confident types.
I mildly disagree that it is all about fear of rejection and confidence. The feminists have loosened stalking and harassment laws so that what used to be considered pursuing a woman can be today twisted into stalking. I think that many men fear the possible legal consequences of pursuing "too hard". So, they pursue very softly or not at all after the first mild indication of rejection. I have very often seen this among men who are ambitious and have potential careers at risk.
I think a second factor is the games you referred to. I don't know many men who worked hard to gain extensive education or training in a field, are working hard to make progress in their careers in this difficult economic time, who have the time, energy, or inclination to play those women's games you described.
My experience may be biased. I work in education and have met a lot of guys who work in IT. I think the priorities that many women want men to have are very different from the prioroities that many men actually have (at least the men I have spoken with about this). I feel that men want to find women with a set of priorities that more closely match their own.
P.S. IT nerds might be as far from exciting as you can get. LOL! So maybe that is a factor as well.
Your analogy is a bit over the top. Nearly everybody I know in the US is in a relationship with a woman and in most cases surprisingly happy.
That is quite a feat. The divorce and separation rates suggest that no where near everyboody is happy in their marriages. Maybe you can tell us what is making and keeping your friends happy in their marriages and romantic relationships?
They may lack some of the excitement of sex that we mongers so vehemently pursue and in some ways take for granted, but that has more to do with them succumbing to the doldrums of everyday married life and their own lowered expectations of sexual availability and importance than anything else.
We mongers are spoiled and more sexually voracious than average people.
For me, a marriage would not just be about the sex. I monger for just the sex. I too would accept a less than ideal sex life, if I was getting the non-sex things I wanted from a marriage. One of those non-sex things would be a VERY low chance of divorce and alimony/child support/legal payments.
I don't know of course where everybody lives on this site, but in my screwed up little town (1Million), the happiest guys I know are the ones who are not, nor have ever been in any kind of relationship. G90 makes the point that 1/2 of marriages end up in divorce, and, having seen some of these divorces, like most guys on this board, I shudder to think that these are pretty much good guys, who have been absolutely screwed over so badly, they wouldn't come near any North American women. Guys who foolishly would take in a single mom, six months later she'd be throwing him out (of his own house! ), and demanding child support for kids that are not his!
As for the dancing in clubs, I took ballroom and salsa for four years, and not once in a club did I ever get a positive response when asking for a dance. It was always no, no, no, with more excuses than I can remember. What I do remember is that after hearing the 'no' (my favourite was, I'm tired), 5 seconds later they'd be up there dancing with their gfriends. The only dances I ever got, where from the studio I went to, and even then, they'd be hesitate in a club and would rather dance with their girlie friends.
Stalking as well, is a good point. The wrong word, to the wrong woman, especially in a work context, can bring untold hell on any guy. Witness the virtual dearth of male teachers. None wants the risk of some crazy teenage broad going off the deep end and making accusations.
Doctor_Skank
05-03-09, 21:47
That is quite a feat. The divorce and separation rates suggest that no where near everyboody is happy in their marriages. Maybe you can tell us what is making and keeping your friends happy in their marriages and romantic relationships?Love, patience and comfort I'd say. I realize that there are very high divorce rates in the US, nonetheless of my 10 best friends for example from high school, 7 are on their first marriage, 1 is single but getting married this summer, 1 is a 2-time divorcee but on her 3rd marriage now for almost 10 years and 1 is a single mom.
So 90% are in successful relationships.
It's not scientific but just a random sampling, but still goes against the notion that everything is falling apart and that society is adrift.
For me, a marriage would not just be about the sex. I monger for just the sex. I too would accept a less than ideal sex life, if I was getting the non-sex things I wanted from a marriage. One of those non-sex things would be a VERY low chance of divorce and alimony/child support/legal payments.Marriage contract. I realize that the mere mention of this will send some potential mates running, but if it is that important to you, clear this up early.
As for child support, that's a no-brainer. It's your kid.
Jelly Donut
05-03-09, 22:58
One of those non-sex things would be a VERY low chance of divorce and alimony/child support/legal payments.
If you break things down based on your age and education (based on what little I know about you) the chances of divorce in your demographic group are relatively low. If the women is over 25 and college-educated the chances of a divorce-free marriage is around 90+ percent. In line with what the Doctor suggests.
Of course, I don't know what the numbers look like within the ISG demo. We are an odd lot.
Doctor_Skank
05-03-09, 23:13
If you break things down based on your age and education (based on what little I know about you) the chances of divorce in your demographic group are relatively low. If the women is over 25 and college-educated the chances of a divorce-free marriage is around 90+ percent. In line with what the Doctor suggests.
That is the demographic in my circle of friends.
White, college-educated, similar ages and incomes, in most cases kids. And in most cases smalltown upbringing, like myself. It's not supposed to be a political statement, but sticking within your own demographic group seems to be a tie that binds in many cases.
ThatGuy865
05-04-09, 00:43
Just because America has a high divorce rate doesn't mean relationships don't work. It only means Marriage "For a LIFETIME" is hard to do now a days.
Many who divorce marry for a second, some a third time. So they may have 2 or 3 "long term" relationships during their lives.
Due to our longer life spans now, and the fact people evolve and change as they age, its almost impossible for 2 people to stay together forever.
But that doesn't mean they didn't have a good relationship while they were in synch. Quite a few people divorce on good terms, they just realize they have grown apart.
If you are married for 10 to 20 yrs and then get a divorce, That doesn't mean anything was wrong with either person.
Just because America has a high divorce rate doesn't mean relationships don't work. It only means Marriage "For a LIFETIME" is hard to do now a days.
Many who divorce marry for a second, some a third time. So they may have 2 or 3 "long term" relationships during their lives.
Due to our longer life spans now, and the fact people evolve and change as they age, its almost impossible for 2 people to stay together forever.
But that doesn't mean they didn't have a good relationship while they were in synch. Quite a few people divorce on good terms, they just realize they have grown apart.
If you are married for 10 to 20 yrs and then get a divorce, That doesn't mean anything was wrong with either person.
Great point! Though I don't know too many people that divorce on great terms...but it does not always have to be a nasty acrimonous affair.
I think maturity, stability, fidelity, and educational parity are the keys to a successful long term marriage.
Chocha Monger
05-04-09, 16:14
I don't know of course where everybody lives on this site, but in my screwed up little town (1Million), the happiest guys I know are the ones who are not, nor have ever been in any kind of relationship. G90 makes the point that 1/2 of marriages end up in divorce, and, having seen some of these divorces, like most guys on this board, I shudder to think that these are pretty much good guys, who have been absolutely screwed over so badly, they wouldn't come near any North American women. Guys who foolishly would take in a single mom, six months later she'd be throwing him out (of his own house! ), and demanding child support for kids that are not his!
As for the dancing in clubs, I took ballroom and salsa for four years, and not once in a club did I ever get a positive response when asking for a dance. It was always no, no, no, with more excuses than I can remember. What I do remember is that after hearing the 'no' (my favourite was, I'm tired), 5 seconds later they'd be up there dancing with their gfriends. The only dances I ever got, where from the studio I went to, and even then, they'd be hesitate in a club and would rather dance with their girlie friends.
Stalking as well, is a good point. The wrong word, to the wrong woman, especially in a work context, can bring untold hell on any guy. Witness the virtual dearth of male teachers. None wants the risk of some crazy teenage broad going off the deep end and making accusations.
I think there are a lot of guys out there who have a lot going for them but they can't be bothered with taming the shrew. It's just not worth the effort. One has to be careful these days. Things that were considered flirting ten years ago can be grounds for sexual harassment charges today.
Clubs are interesting concepts in the US. They're are not very user friendly for single men. It would appear that most American women don't go to clubs to meet men. They go there with their boyfriends or girlfriends. They are not interested in dancing with strangers. It would seem that strangers provide the free drinks and the women dance with each other or a boyfriend. If you decide to go to a club in the US bring your own b*tch (BYOB) or chances are that you'll be dancing alone.
In the club the volume of the music is so loud that conversation is almost impossible without invading someone's personal space. This is also compounded by the fact that women in the club are on the defensive. Even "pick up artists" say that a club is the worst place to meet women. When you add up the costs of the fancy clothes, cover charge, over priced drinks, and cab fare or a designated driver if you drink it's simply not worth it. There are a lot of other venues where women can shoot you down for free.
Anyway, if you concentrate on your career and do well, you'll get laid from time to time without putting in any effort. Women are always looking for a candidate for the contract. If you look the part some will put out in the hopes of getting you to purchase the cow. Young guys tend to have their priorities wrong. They put pussy ahead of career and money. Putting the latter ahead of the former would save them a lot of frustration.
Gentleman Travel
05-04-09, 17:04
love, patience and comfort i'd say. i realize that there are very high divorce rates in the us, nonetheless of my 10 best friends for example from high school...
so 90% are in successful relationships.
this is my experience also.
of my university buddies only one is divorced (completely predictable, he was always a crash-and-burn kind of guy), the others are all around 20 years in marriage/relationships. not to say everyone is necessarily happy (obviously i am not satisfied), but there is a lot of pressure to endure. same in the workplace, i don't actually know many divorced people.
i am going to have drinks next week with another old friend who is recently through a ruinous divorce, but then he was caught and prosecuted for dicking **** girls (3 sisters) so i think we cannot blame his wife for it.
Jelly Donut
05-04-09, 22:49
Young guys tend to have their priorities wrong. They put pussy ahead of career and money. Putting the latter ahead of the former would save them a lot of frustration.
I love those posts CB...this last one prompted me to remember this....
Cameron's never been in love. At least no one's ever been in love with him. He's gonna marry the first girl he lays. And she's gonna treat him like shit because he's gonna kiss her ass for giving him what he's built-up in his mind as the end-all, be-all of human existance. She won't respect him because you can't respect someone who kisses your ass. It just doesn't work.
~ Ferris Bueller.
When I was younger, I used to put pussy ahead of money and career but I did not know why. Now that I am much older I still put pussy ahead of money and career but now I know exactly why: Pussy will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no pussy.
DJ FourMoney
05-05-09, 03:20
I think there are a lot of guys out there who have a lot going for them but they can't be bothered with taming the shrew. It's just not worth the effort. One has to be careful these days. Things that were considered flirting ten years ago can be grounds for sexual harassment charges today.
Clubs are interesting concepts in the US. They're are not very user friendly for single men. It would appear that most American women don't go to clubs to meet men. They go there with their boyfriends or girlfriends. They are not interested in dancing with strangers. It would seem that strangers provide the free drinks and the women dance with each other or a boyfriend. If you decide to go to a club in the US bring your own b*tch (BYOB) or chances are that you'll be dancing alone.
In the club the volume of the music is so loud that conversation is almost impossible without invading someone's personal space. This is also compounded by the fact that women in the club are on the defensive. Even "pick up artists" say that a club is the worst place to meet women. When you add up the costs of the fancy clothes, cover charge, over priced drinks, and cab fare or a designated driver if you drink it's simply not worth it. There are a lot of other venues where women can shoot you down for free.
Anyway, if you concentrate on your career and do well, you'll get laid from time to time without putting in any effort. Women are always looking for a candidate for the contract. If you look the part some will put out in the hopes of getting you to purchase the cow. Young guys tend to have their priorities wrong. They put pussy ahead of career and money. Putting the latter ahead of the former would save them a lot of frustration.
Raises Hand....
I'm guilty of that
I went to work out of HS but didn't focus on "pussy", kind of weird I guess.
Many seem to think the DJ gets laid alot, I'm proof that doesn't happen. I didn't say I never got laid because of it, I'm just saying it doesn't happen often enough to be used as a tool for that, so I just focus on playing music, always have.
Anyway, if you concentrate on your career and do well, you'll get laid from time to time without putting in any effort. Women are always looking for a candidate for the contract. If you look the part some will put out in the hopes of getting you to purchase the cow. Young guys tend to have their priorities wrong. They put pussy ahead of career and money. Putting the latter ahead of the former would save them a lot of frustration.
In the west the best men simply get the best women. Take a look at Micheal Jordan's son. In my opinion those are some nice looking women and they are American.
http://bossip.com/107149/michael-jordans-son-is-a-notorious-swirl-offender/
On another note was listening to BBC in Kabul, Afghanistan( since it is the only major English news radio station here.) Minus the English accent they had a interesting international panel of media pundits discussing.... that men or women( in reference to politicians) who cheat on their spouses were generally bad, dishonest people. It was food for thought as I know I have been the "stray dog" over the years....
Brian Moloney
05-05-09, 05:06
In the west the best men simply get the best women. Take a look at Micheal Jordan's son. In my opinion those are some nice looking women and they are American.
http://bossip.com/107149/michael-jordans-son-is-a-notorious-swirl-offender/
On another note was listening to BBC in Kabul, Afghanistan( since it is the only major English news radio station here.) Minus the English accent they had a interesting international panel of media pundits discussing.... that men or women( in reference to politicians) who cheat on their spouses were generally bad, dishonest people. It was food for thought as I know I have been the "stray cat" over the years....
Some guys have natural good looks TALL handsome you know the kind. Some like myself NOT so tall. I was a competative body builder won a few major contests in my time.. So NO lack of women in my younger days. some guys are LUCKY to live off their FATHERS name. Or their parents are RICH so this also helps get the babes.. Either way Men need an angle But in the END it all comes down to MONEY no matter how you LOOK at it.. their are the exceptions if you look like a Brad Pitt or a Johnny Depp then MONEY isnt that important really.. Kevin Bacon was on ORCA WINFREY he said in college he wasnt a movie star or famous just a guy going to get higher learning. He got MORE pussy than anyone on campus even his room mates girlfriend was hitting on him all the time.. As Jerry Seinfeld said to George Kastanza, "George have you ever seen a really really good looking guy homeless??" So if a guy dont look like Brad or Denzel Washington or johhny depp. Get a career and make money and go abroad. MONEY is a universal language it cant buy LOVE but it can by happiness even tempoararily and fill ALL your sexual gratifications. who needs LOVE Its over rated and so is marriage. Only thing marriage is good for is to have children. Then the North American wifey gets FAT cuts off sex and the Kids keep you broke. Yeah I really want to get married to a North American woman. oppps Been married for 7 years to my Russian wife from Saransk.. God bless Russia and ALL their beautiful women.
Chocha Monger
05-05-09, 17:12
In the west the best men simply get the best women. Take a look at Micheal Jordan's son. In my opinion those are some nice looking women and they are American.
http://bossip.com/107149/michael-jordans-son-is-a-notorious-swirl-offender/
On another note was listening to BBC in Kabul, Afghanistan( since it is the only major English news radio station here.) Minus the English accent they had a interesting international panel of media pundits discussing.... that men or women( in reference to politicians) who cheat on their spouses were generally bad, dishonest people. It was food for thought as I know I have been the "stray dog" over the years....
Illogic,
I am not sure what you mean by “best men.” If you mean that the men with the most money get the most physically attractive pussy then, yes, you’re correct. Like I said before, it’s all about the money in the end. What do you have to offer? In America you can fuck model quality pussy if you look like Jabba the Hutt. The old, lame and blind can fuck the sweetest arm candy this country has to offer if they have enough money. The American women around that guy’s neck are not fucking for charity. I can assure you of that. The commentary under the photographs bears similar sentiments.
If quality pussy was available at a relatively cheap price, widely available and legal, I wager that most American mongers would choose to remain at home. Most of the pretty young women in this country are simply out of the price range of the majority of males. Have you ever noticed that drug dealers seem to be able to fuck plenty of good looking college girls? It’s because these girls want the drugs to party but they don’t want to go to the street to find the shit. It’s too high risk. They don’t want to get busted. The drug dealer brings the drugs right to their bedrooms and gets to fuck the shit out of them for assuming the risk. I saw that happen again and again in college. Beauty queens, nice girls, were getting fucked up the ass by street pharmacists for a dime bag of pot.
I don’t know if I can buy the argument that cheaters are “basically” bad dishonest people. What they are doing may be bad and dishonest in light of their vows. Yet, I hesitate to extrapolate this to their entire life. I’ve know some basically good people who screwed up when it came to fidelity. To make the argument that a “stray dog” is a deviant we have to make some assumptions. We have to assume that monogamy is the inherent and natural state of human beings. There is plenty of scientific evidence that this is not the case.
My Asian girlfriend is gorgeous. She has a sexy slender figure, fine porcelain skin, and waist length soft silky black hair. She has plenty of admirers and her own money. Really, I should never think of fucking other women. Yet, I’ve noticed when we go out other Asian girls seem to go out of their way to get my attention. If she leaves the table for a moment the waitresses start asking if we are married and how long we’ve been together. One little Chinese waitress, who was cute but not quite beautiful as my girlfriend, flirted heavily with me. When she bent over the adjacent table the possibilities flashed before my mind. I wondered if I was going crazy. Then I tried to figure out what I found attractive about this girl. Why would I even risk trading down? It was then I realized that her dimples and mannerisms gave her a peculiar aura of innocence with a hint of sluttishness lurking beneath. She appealed to the male nature to go for the opportunistic free fuck.
Every young healthy woman our male ancestors fucked increased their odds of surviving via their DNA. Siring healthy offspring was a numbers game. The drive for a variety of pussy was strong. It still is. We didn’t start repressing those urges until humans started living in organized societies. This is fairly recent in anthropological terms. The beautiful females were usually the healthy ones. They opted to mate with the males with the most desirable genes and who offered the best odds of survival for their offspring. Sometimes both qualities could not be found in one individual. Hence, the female incentive to cheat. The second tier females simply followed their more beautiful companions lead. Even today, a man with a fine woman has no problem getting other women. Social scientists call this the fish bowl effect.
It's only all about the money in third and second world places.
In the first world, money will get you an invitation to the game but it will not gurauntee that you will win it...but yea, money is normally the sine quo non of getting hot babes.
But it's more about success than just dollars. I know a fat slob that makes seven figures--or made before the crisis--and he is hard up like many of you cats are.
I can compete with men more wealthier than I am because my life is simply more interesting than many of theirs...
FYI, I regularly date women better looking than the ones in in the pictures below. And those mongerers that know me will attest to this.
In the west the best men simply get the best women. Take a look at Micheal Jordan's son. In my opinion those are some nice looking women and they are American.
http://bossip.com/107149/michael-jordans-son-is-a-notorious-swirl-offender/I hope you do not wanna say those two chicks on the photo are the best? They seem to be chubby/overweight and far from beautiful (including their faces). And the one on the pic with two guys, is rather ugly. Of course everybody has its own taste.
If its' the best what Micheal Jordan's son can get, then sorry to him I hope it's not the case. And we do not even know what kinda personality these kinda party chicks have.
My major problem with girls in America is not even their looks, but the attitude the majority have. Arrogant, noisy, etc. So there is no use for their looks if the got shitty personality.
Also some girls makes me lough, even though they're ugly, still they act like a queen. And many guys around think that's normal.
ThatGuy865
05-05-09, 18:27
God bless Russia and ALL their beautiful women.Yeah there's no fat women in Russia!
Yeah right
Every young healthy woman our male ancestors fucked increased their odds of surviving via their DNA. Siring healthy offspring was a numbers game. The drive for a variety of pussy was strong. It still is. We didn’t start repressing those urges until humans started living in organized societies. This is fairly recent in anthropological terms. The beautiful females were usually the healthy ones. They opted to mate with the males with the most desirable genes and who offered the best odds of survival for their offspring. Sometimes both qualities could not be found in one individual. Hence, the female incentive to cheat. The second tier females simply followed their more beautiful companions lead. Even today, a man with a fine woman has no problem getting other women. Social scientists call this the fish bowl effect.
I partly agree with this theory. I partly disagree. I disagree to the extent that we are focusing EXCLUSIVELY on a woman's physical appearance. We ALL KNOW, or we all should know, that a woman's personality and behavior is at least just as important as her appearance, if not MORE important. We all know women who are gorgeous but not worth it due to her personality.
Our genetic offspring is more likely to survive if their mother is sane, has values that include nurturing her children, and treats them kindly and with affection. Our children are far more likely to survive and thrive if their mother loves. A woman who is choosing a man SOLELY due to money (or other material resources) and excludes non-material resources such as the ability to teach a skill to her sons, may not make the best mother material.
I suppose that at one time during our evolution, physical health and robustness correlated positively with mental health. I don't think that is the case today. Human society has become far too complex for minds that are robust against personality disorders to fair well in our intellect driven time.
Chocha Monger
05-05-09, 21:19
It's only all about the money in third and second world places.
It depends on what demographic you're talking about. Right here in the USA I can introduce you to a bunch of hood rats who would be only too happy to let you pull up their dresses and fuck them from the back for some scratch.
Illogic,
I am not sure what you mean by “best men.” If you mean that the men with the most money get the most physically attractive pussy then, yes, you’re correct. Like I said before, it’s all about the money in the end. What do you have to offer? In America you can fuck model quality pussy if you look like Jabba the Hutt. The old, lame and blind can fuck the sweetest arm candy this country has to offer if they have enough money. The American women around that guy’s neck are not fucking for charity. I can assure you of that. The commentary under the photographs bears similar sentiments.
Handsome, successful or powerful.
I don’t know if I can buy the argument that cheaters are “basically” bad dishonest people. What they are doing may be bad and dishonest in light of their vows. Yet, I hesitate to extrapolate this to their entire life. I’ve know some basically good people who screwed up when it came to fidelity. To make the argument that a “stray dog” is a deviant we have to make some assumptions. We have to assume that monogamy is the inherent and natural state of human beings. There is plenty of scientific evidence that this is not the case.
It’s hard to call this one but I have not been faithful to a single women I have dated or married (one ex-wife) and have no plans to do so in the future.)
My Asian girlfriend is gorgeous. She has a sexy slender figure, fine porcelain skin, and waist length soft silky black hair. She has plenty of admirers and her own money. Really, I should never think of fucking other women. Yet, I’ve noticed when we go out other Asian girls seem to go out of their way to get my attention. If she leaves the table for a moment the waitresses start asking if we are married and how long we’ve been together.
Are you black? Because dating Blacks is just not “happening” (minus Filipinos and Japanese) thing among Asian Americans. :confused:
Chocha Monger
05-05-09, 22:33
Are you black? Because dating Blacks is just not “happening” (minus Filipinos and Japanese) thing among Asian Americans. :confused:
When you say not "happening" you mean not common, right? I don't live in the most progressive part of America but I know of Thai, Viet, Korean, and Chinese dating black. In fact, one couple was Chinese male/black female. That combination is about as easy to find as a unicorn according to popular opinion. Asians tend to date and marry within their own community but they're not necessarily all bigots. Black women probably date outside their race less than Asian females but some do.
I'm not going to comment further on who fucks who based on race on this board because it always takes a nasty turn. Remember the Indonesia thread?
Brian Moloney
05-06-09, 00:01
Yeah there's no fat women in Russia!
Yeah right
Yeah I lied there , Sorry all Russian women are fat and NOT attractive at all.. not a good place to monger or search for a wife. same as Ukraine. yeah you dont want to go there thats for sure. Only the babushkas are SLIM.. All the beautiful women in the world are from North America. Pleasent down to earth great bodies EXCELLENT personalities... I should be EXPELL from ISG for leading the Bros on about the FAT RUSSIAN women. I should be ashamed of myself.. Sorry for the MISINFORMATION... Yeah you dont want to go to Russia or Ukraine.. I forgot The Shanker and the Bez are big liars to!!!! Even they will tell you about FAT LARD ASS LAZY Russian women.. Theres just to many in Russia and Ukraine.. Yep North America is WHERE all the SLIM beautiful great personalities are in the ENTIRE GLOBE... sorry about mis leading information.. I am going to divorce my FAT wife in Russia and get myself hitch to the best women on earth. Thats a North american woman. we all make mistakes. ha ha ha ha ha ha
Yeah I lied there , Sorry all Russian women are fat and NOT attractive at all.. not a good place to monger or search for a wife. same as Ukraine. yeah you dont want to go there thats for sure. Only the babushkas are SLIM.. All the beautiful women in the world are from North America. Pleasent down to earth great bodies EXCELLENT personalities... I should be EXPELL from ISG for leading the Bros on about the FAT RUSSIAN women. I should be ashamed of myself.. Sorry for the MISINFORMATION... Yeah you dont want to go to Russia or Ukraine.. I forgot The Shanker and the Bez are big liars to!!!! Even they will tell you about FAT LARD ASS LAZY Russian women.. Theres just to many in Russia and Ukraine.. Yep North America is WHERE all the SLIM beautiful great personalities are in the ENTIRE GLOBE... sorry about mis leading information.. I am going to divorce my FAT wife in Russia and get myself hitch to the best women on earth. Thats a North american woman. we all make mistakes. ha ha ha ha ha ha
It is a myth that all EE women are sex bombs;they simply place greater emphasis on their looks when younger. After 30, those women turn into fat babushkas.
The FSU is still a relatively unspophisticated and non-progressive place, a woman's main asset is her feminity and she knows it. This holds less true in the West.
ThatGuy865
05-06-09, 01:44
Yeah I lied there , Sorry all Russian women are fat and NOT attractive at all.. not a good place to monger or search for a wife. same as Ukraine. yeah you dont want to go there thats for sure. Only the babushkas are SLIM.. All the beautiful women in the world are from North America. Pleasent down to earth great bodies EXCELLENT personalities... I should be EXPELL from ISG for leading the Bros on about the FAT RUSSIAN women. I should be ashamed of myself.. Sorry for the MISINFORMATION... Yeah you dont want to go to Russia or Ukraine.. I forgot The Shanker and the Bez are big liars to!!!! Even they will tell you about FAT LARD ASS LAZY Russian women.. Theres just to many in Russia and Ukraine.. Yep North America is WHERE all the SLIM beautiful great personalities are in the ENTIRE GLOBE... sorry about mis leading information.. I am going to divorce my FAT wife in Russia and get myself hitch to the best women on earth. Thats a North american woman. we all make mistakes. ha ha ha ha ha haIf you're trying to be sarcastic and think you are convicing someone to stay away from russia. You can save yourself the trouble. Its too cold, the women are too pale, and the people are not that friendly. I wouldn't go there if it was an all expense paid vacation. Well maybe for free. But thats about it, and that would be more to check out the kremlin and shit like that. Than it would be for the ladies. I work with a lot of russians and have never seen one that got my dick hard (I'm sure there has got to be some beautys there, but you try to make it sound like they all are and they are skinny only because most are poor.). Now let a brazilian strut pass. Booonnnggg. Its at full attention.
I partly agree with this theory. I partly disagree. I disagree to the extent that we are focusing EXCLUSIVELY on a woman's physical appearance. We ALL KNOW, or we all should know, that a woman's personality and behavior is at least just as important as her appearance, if not MORE important. We all know women who are gorgeous but not worth it due to her personality.
You mention appearance, personality, and behavior. These are minor factors in the short-term, where skill, performance, motivation, and economy are more salient factors. AW score poorly in all of the latter categories. In fact, if you list seven categories:
1) Appearance
2) Personality
3) Behavior
4) Skill
5) Performance
6) Motivation
7) Economy
AW do not stack up well at all. Regarding #7, some AW could be more desirable due to earning lots of money but what is the chance of the AM seeing any of this money? A guy who wants a woman for her money is lame anyway. It is much better for the man when he earns more than the woman.
When you say not "happening" you mean not common, right? I don't live in the most progressive part of America but I know of Thai, Viet, Korean, and Chinese dating black. In fact, one couple was Chinese male/black female. That combination is about as easy to find as a unicorn according to popular opinion. Asians tend to date and marry within their own community but they're not necessarily all bigots. Black women probably date outside their race less than Asian females but some do.
I'm not going to comment further on who fucks who based on race on this board because it always takes a nasty turn. Remember the Indonesia thread?
Yeah I do remember Indonesia :( I have lived in Kansas, Maryland, Southern Cal, (one time I saw this Unicorn-like occurrence in Cali but the guy she was with looked like an athlete) and a major metropolitan area in the Midwest. It is a very rare occurrence VS. Black/Hispanic.....Black/White phenomenon. Kudos to any brother who has snatched a “bad” one…. (bad means good for the slang impaired)
But it's more about success than just dollars. I know a fat slob that makes seven figures--or made before the crisis--and he is hard up like many of you cats are.
Hard up? I am what Notorious Big would look like if he hit the gym on a regular (LOL) and I knock back (turn down) a lot of (free) first world in pussy because I am choosy. The Third world caused this choosiness I must admit... :( it’s better to fuck a cute 18-22 something year old then ugly to average chicks.
FYI, I regularly date women better looking than the ones in in the pictures below. And those mongerers that know me will attest to this.
Where do these women you date come from USA or EE as they are not the same....I met a Russian online a while back and she told me the majority of the men on the net looking for love in EE were American...that told me a lot right there....
A guy who wants a woman for her money is lame anyway. It is much better for the man when he earns more than the woman.
Why....? :confused:
I hope you do not wanna say those two chicks on the photo are the best? They seem to be chubby/overweight and far from beautiful (including their faces). And the one on the pic with two guys, is rather ugly. Of course everybody has its own taste.
No they are not the best. Of course they are not model material but neither are most of the photos of the women guys present on these boards either. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. To me they look decent, hell I would hit it. Especially for free.
If its' the best what Micheal Jordan's son can get, then sorry to him I hope it's not the case. And we do not even know what kinda personality these kinda party chicks have.
Nah I don’t think that’s the best he can do…But he seems to be having a good time with some cute American chicks something guys claim on this board is impossible to do.
My major problem with girls in America is not even their looks, but the attitude the majority have. Arrogant, noisy, etc. So there is no use for their looks if the got shitty personality.
Only some guys get this arrogant, abusive, attitude from American women. I was victim of it in my younger days but my friends… most American women would be putty in their hands. It’s you man something about you that turns them off. This something will move all over the world with you if you don’t shake it off…..in the third world women will ignore it for a move up the eco-ladder.
Also some girls makes me lough, even though they're ugly, still they act like a queen. And many guys around think that's normal.
I am just an average guy but I still walk around like I got an S on my damn chest. You have to hold your head in this world mayne if you don’t people will kick you down every damn chance they get.
Brian Moloney
05-06-09, 05:05
Yeah I do remember Indonesia :( I have lived in Kansas, Maryland, Southern Cal, (one time I saw this Unicorn-like occurrence in Cali but the guy she was with looked like an athlete) and a major metropolitan area in the Midwest. It is a very rare occurrence VS. Black/Hispanic.....Black/White phenomenon. Kudos to any brother who has snatched a “bad” one…. (bad means good for the slang impaired)
Hard up? I am what Notorious Big would look like if he hit the gym on a regular (LOL) and I knock back (turn down) a lot of (free) first world in pussy because I am choosy. The Third world caused this choosiness I must admit... :( it’s better to fuck a cute 18-22 something year old then ugly to average chicks.
[QUOTE=Goga Fung] I hope you do not wanna say those two chicks on the photo are the best? They seem to be chubby/overweight and far from beautiful (including their faces). And the one on the pic with two guys, is rather ugly. Of course everybody has its own taste.
No they are not the best. Of course they are not model material but neither are most of the photos of the women guys present on these boards either. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. To me they look decent, hell I would hit it. Especially for free.
Nah I don’t think that’s the best he can do…But he seems to be having a good time with some cute American chicks something guys claim on this board is impossible to do.
Only some guys get this arrogant, abusive, attitude from American women. I was victim of it in my younger days but my friends… most American women would be putty in their hands. It’s you man something about you that turns them off. This something will move all over the world with you if you don’t shake it off…..in the third world women will ignore it for a move up the eco-ladder.
I am just an average guy but I still walk around like I got an S on my damn chest. You have to hold your head in this world mayne if you don’t people will kick you down every damn chance they get. Its NOT hard to see that money is the MAIN factor even if you are a LOSER and your father was probably the greatest basket ball player in the WORLD.. Girls KNOW daddys boy has to have MAJOR dollars.. After all he is Jordans son. So MONEY is a BIG deal.. OK rappers are famous, celebritys, people buy their CDs they make HUGE MONEY and are on MTV Kids go CRAZY for that kind of Music ALL over the WORLD.. Its NOT hard for famous RAPPERS to get ANY beautiful women .. they want... No matter what nationality... Fame, money draws women like flies.. As a unsophistcated backward place Russia is Dirk .. The FAT UGLY Russian girls LOVE business men they are every Russian girls dream.. They are demi Gods, OK feard, but still they get the respect and the love of the OK fat Russian girls... Yes I have found paradise, and it isnt in the USA my friend. I have travel the globe like many others on ISG.. Some guys love Brazil, Costa Rica, Africa, thailand etc etc.. To each his own but I perfer Russia and all its FAT UGLY women... Backwards and expensive as you say, I am sure someday you will find a country that you like and enjoy their women and culture like I have found mine... Now if I can just get Oprah Winfrey on my satelite and pass out Books written by Gloria Steinman to the Dyevuchkas. I am sure this will go over BIG with the Fat Ugly Russian women some one has to teach them the north american way which is the RIGHT WAY of course you know that... hehehehehehehe
Brian Moloney
05-06-09, 05:09
[QUOTE=Illogic]Yeah I do remember Indonesia :( I have lived in Kansas, Maryland, Southern Cal, (one time I saw this Unicorn-like occurrence in Cali but the guy she was with looked like an athlete) and a major metropolitan area in the Midwest. It is a very rare occurrence VS. Black/Hispanic.....Black/White phenomenon. Kudos to any brother who has snatched a “bad” one…. (bad means good for the slang impaired)
Hard up? I am what Notorious Big would look like if he hit the gym on a regular (LOL) and I knock back (turn down) a lot of (free) first world in pussy because I am choosy. The Third world caused this choosiness I must admit... :( it’s better to fuck a cute 18-22 something year old then ugly to average chicks.
Its NOT hard to see that money is the MAIN factor even if you are a LOSER and your father was probably the greatest basket ball player in the WORLD.. Girls KNOW daddys boy has to have MAJOR dollars.. After all he is Jordans son. So MONEY is a BIG deal.. OK rappers are famous, celebritys, people buy their CDs they make HUGE MONEY and are on MTV Kids go CRAZY for that kind of Music ALL over the WORLD.. Its NOT hard for famous RAPPERS to get ANY beautiful women .. they want... No matter what nationality... Fame, money draws women like flies.. As a unsophistcated backward place Russia is Dirk .. The FAT UGLY Russian girls LOVE business men they are every Russian girls dream.. They are demi Gods, OK feard, but still they get the respect and the love of the OK fat Russian girls... Yes I have found paradise, and it isnt in the USA my friend. I have travel the globe like many others on ISG.. Some guys love Brazil, Costa Rica, Africa, thailand etc etc.. To each his own but I perfer Russia and all its FAT UGLY women... Backwards and expensive as you say, I am sure someday you will find a country that you like and enjoy their women and culture like I have found mine... Now if I can just get Oprah Winfrey on my satelite and pass out Books written by Gloria Steinman to the Dyevuchkas. I am sure this will go over BIG with the Fat Ugly Russian women some one has to teach them the north american way which is the RIGHT WAY of course you know that... hehehehehehehe
By the way Mel Gibson (the actor)he to likes the FAT UGLY Russian gals apparently. hehehehehe
It is a myth that all EE women are sex bombs; they simply place greater emphasis on their looks when younger. After 30, those women turn into fat babushkas.I agree about the myth. But having known that you have traveled a lot, it is strange to hear about fat babushkas. If you are talking about some Russian village it might be true sometime of course.
Look at some teen girls in the USA. Many girls in early teen age are fatter than those "fat" Russian babushkas in there 30s and 40s.
If you're trying to be sarcastic and think you are convicing someone to stay away from russia. You can save yourself the trouble. Its too cold, the women are too pale, and the people are not that friendly. I wouldn't go there if it was an all expense paid vacation. Well maybe for free. But thats about it, and that would be more to check out the kremlin and shit like that. Than it would be for the ladies. I work with a lot of russians and have never seen one that got my dick hard (I'm sure there has got to be some beautys there, but you try to make it sound like they all are and they are skinny only because most are poor.). Now let a brazilian strut pass. Booonnnggg. Its at full attention.I do not think he was trying to convince anybody to anything.
So since you have not been to Russia, such comments do not make any sense at all. "Its too cold, the women are too pale" Which part of Russia, and any particular season (I guess winter in the north? ) are you talking about?
I would only agree in that people in general are not that friendly as people in South America. But still the girls are much friendlier than North American girls. Everybody can pick a reason, you probably wanna say because they are "poor". Which is fine, whatever everybody is comfortable with.
Bango Cheito
05-06-09, 19:36
It's not only about money here in Colombia either. Being able to talk a good game goes a LONGGGGGGGGGGGGGG way, longer here than in North America IMO.
And if you have the mentality that you NEED to shell out money for a non pro here, you are a fool who is going to be taken advantage of. If it's a non pro she should be falling all over herself proving to you she's NOT after your money.
No offense Dickhead, but I just don't get why you would give your neighbor any money, for example. Why shouldn't SHE be paying YOUR ass?
I agree about the myth. But having known that you have traveled a lot, it is strange to hear about fat babushkas. If you are talking about some Russian village it might be true sometime of course.
Look at some teen girls in the USA. Many girls in early teen age are fatter than those "fat" Russian babushkas in there 30s and 40s. I do not think he was trying to convince anybody to anything.
So since you have not been to Russia, such comments do not make any sense at all. "Its too cold, the women are too pale" Which part of Russia, and any particular season (I guess winter in the north? ) are you talking about?
I would only agree in that people in general are not that friendly as people in South America. But still the girls are much friendlier than North American girls. Everybody can pick a reason, you probably wanna say because they are "poor". Which is fine, whatever everybody is comfortable with.
I have four words: poor diet, poor diet, cigarette smoke exposure, and poor diet. Yes, American women are fat, but they don't have that tired and worn out look that is irreversable after exposure to the elements of life in the Eastern Block.
Actually, maybe you are right...they are not all fat over 30..they look better on average younger than american woman but they age bad....short shelf life.
Big Johnson2
05-06-09, 21:58
I wanted to start a new thread for this, so if anyone has the ability I like to get it moved up to a higher level.
I referring to Western countries, because I have little knowledge of others. My vote for worse country in the world for sex is the USA.
1. Girls have zero interest in sex. They actually think sex is a dirty word and
being taken advantage of. I hear from one friend some of the women over
40 are interested, but any woman under 40 has a horrible attitude toward
sex.
2. None of my friends can get a girl friend.
3. The guys that are married are in sexless marriages.
4. Women are getting fatter by the day, especially the young one. Being
over weight is acceptable.
5. No real legalized prostitution as an outlet for men to get some sex.
I've heard that the other Anglo countries are second.
I'd be interested in hearing other people's opinions on this.
Doctor_Skank
05-06-09, 22:24
If you're trying to be sarcastic and think you are convicing someone to stay away from russia. You can save yourself the trouble. Its too cold, the women are too pale, and the people are not that friendly. I wouldn't go there if it was an all expense paid vacation. Well maybe for free. But thats about it, and that would be more to check out the kremlin and shit like that. Than it would be for the ladies. I work with a lot of russians and have never seen one that got my dick hard (I'm sure there has got to be some beautys there, but you try to make it sound like they all are and they are skinny only because most are poor.). Haha. They're a special breed, thoroughbreads. Nothing against Brazilians, but you are obviously "out of the loop".
I know a few guys who regularly travel Brazil and Russia and all of them agree that although Brazlians can look fantastic, are friendly, sexual and easy-going, that Russian girls are more into the hard-core, long and passionate no-holds-barred sex. Brazilians are in it just as much to keep up their reputation as for the actual pleasure. Russian girls totally let go and are 1000 mph.
But yeah, they are skinnier than Brazilian girls. If bunda and fat thighs are your thing, then maybe you ought to stay away from Russia.
I wanted to start a new thread for this, so if anyone has the ability I like to get it moved up to a higher level.
I referring to Western countries, because I have little knowledge of others. My vote for worse country in the world for sex is the USA.
1. Girls have zero interest in sex. They actually think sex is a dirty word and
being taken advantage of. I hear from one friend some of the women over
40 are interested, but any woman under 40 has a horrible attitude toward
sex.
2. None of my friends can get a girl friend.
3. The guys that are married are in sexless marriages.
4. Women are getting fatter by the day, especially the young one. Being
over weight is acceptable.
5. No real legalized prostitution as an outlet for men to get some sex.
I've heard that the other Anglo countries are second.
I'd be interested in hearing other people's opinions on this.I am not originally from USA, but from what I have seen I completely agree with you. It is possible to get a girlfriend, but you do not have much choice, you just take what is available. For me its not worth time and money for what I'm gonna get, just to get stuck with her, no thanks. And I have gotten an impression that many guys get married with the first girl who opens her legs for them. Or a girl who they have dated for 10 years since their high school/college.
Of course here are some guys who try to convince others that women in the USA are the same as women in other countries. And that there are many "fine" women I the USA. They probably have no idea what they are talking about.
I think it really depends what is meant by "fine" women.
For example I know a few beautiful girls from another country where family is the priority, the girls do not fuck around, know how to cook and do not mind cleaning the house. They are also taught to respect their future husband. At the same time these girls look very good, one is like a photo model, but she chose not to go into this. She knows that she would get much more money than she's getting at her job now ($200). So she chose to be "poor", strange, right?
And the most important that these traits are a norm, a standard. There is no way you're gonna find this kinda woman in the USA(of course there must be some exceptions), so however you look at it, unfortunately many women in the USA are worse than others. People here say it's all because the girls in other countries are poor and after your money (which is not necessary true). Anyway who cares what is the reason. The fact is that lots of American guys need to go to other countries for girls, proving that USA is probably the worst place for sex and marriage.
Other western countries are not as bad as USA, at least because prostitution is legal there. So men do not feel like to kiss their wife/GF's butt all the time. Since you know you can always go to a working girl to relief stress without taking a chance to get arrested.
I have four words: poor diet, poor diet, cigarette smoke exposure, and poor diet. Yes, American women are fat, but they don't have that tired and worn out look that is irreversable after exposure to the elements of life in the Eastern Block.Dirk, I know some Russian and Ukrainian girls and their diet too. I would say in many cases it is rather opposite to what you just wrote. Now everything is sold in Russia, there is plenty of nice food, and many people make good money(it's a myth every girl there wants a gringo for his money), many girls buy themselves vacations, go to gyms, many have nice tan(this is to response to the comment by somebody here who has never been to Russia, about pale skin of Russian girls). I also know a number of women in their 30th, most of them look fine.
Maybe you were talking about "privokzalnie shlyuhi" (train station prostitutes)? Then of course their diet sucks, consisting mostly of vodka, beer and sperm. But I thought we were talking about different types of girls here.
There are also many American guys come to Russia and marry 40+ Russian women with kids!!! I was really surprised why. But the reason, that still those 40 y.e. old Russian women look much better than 40+ AW. And they are more willing to have a family than a 40+ y.e. old AW who wants to party all the time.
ThatGuy865
05-07-09, 02:05
Haha. They're a special breed, thoroughbreads. Nothing against Brazilians, but you are obviously "out of the loop".
I know a few guys who regularly travel Brazil and Russia and all of them agree that although Brazlians can look fantastic, are friendly, sexual and easy-going, that Russian girls are more into the hard-core, long and passionate no-holds-barred sex. Brazilians are in it just as much to keep up their reputation as for the actual pleasure. Russian girls totally let go and are 1000 mph.
But yeah, they are skinnier than Brazilian girls. If bunda and fat thighs are your thing, then maybe you ought to stay away from Russia.Besides boobs and booty. I like women with some color to their skin. Russian are about as pale as a white person can get. As for sex, no one can say one place has women who fuck better than any other place, because that is a personal thing and not something a culture can pass down or do they have "fucking" classes in Russia. Everyone has their own taste. And you will never have to worry about seeing Thatguy in a Russian bordello. Nice chatting with you though.
ThatGuy865
05-07-09, 02:24
I wanted to start a new thread for this, so if anyone has the ability I like to get it moved up to a higher level.
I referring to Western countries, because I have little knowledge of others. My vote for worse country in the world for sex is the USA.
1. Girls have zero interest in sex. They actually think sex is a dirty word and
being taken advantage of. I hear from one friend some of the women over
40 are interested, but any woman under 40 has a horrible attitude toward
sex.
2. None of my friends can get a girl friend.
3. The guys that are married are in sexless marriages.
4. Women are getting fatter by the day, especially the young one. Being
over weight is acceptable.
5. No real legalized prostitution as an outlet for men to get some sex.
I've heard that the other Anglo countries are second.
I'd be interested in hearing other people's opinions on this.Wow. Worst than the Middle East, India. The list could go on.
As far as young women not interested in sex. That just plain BULLSHIT. The US has the highest teen age pregnancy rate of ALL industrialized countries. Thats a fact. So not a few but alot are fucking. I guess your friends just ain't got no game.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teenage_pregnancy
http://www.free-press-release.com/news/200804/1207250874.html
http://www.umm.edu/pediatrics/pregnancy.htm
Us girls are FUCKING big time. Just guys with no game are not getting laid and of course they blame it on the girls.
Are there fat girls in America. Absolutely. Are there beautiful girls in america. Again absolutely. You can find anything in want in america.
But then I guess if you are upset with your womanizing ability in America. Then you have no recourse but to blame it on the women. Cause obviously you guys are a woman's dream.
Bango Cheito
05-07-09, 04:47
I think the worst country for sex is Canada, at least if you are actually living there.
NicFrenchy
05-07-09, 05:01
I think the worst country for sex is Canada, at least if you are actually living there.
What makes you say that?
Brian Moloney
05-07-09, 05:40
Haha. They're a special breed, thoroughbreads. Nothing against Brazilians, but you are obviously "out of the loop".
I know a few guys who regularly travel Brazil and Russia and all of them agree that although Brazlians can look fantastic, are friendly, sexual and easy-going, that Russian girls are more into the hard-core, long and passionate no-holds-barred sex. Brazilians are in it just as much to keep up their reputation as for the actual pleasure. Russian girls totally let go and are 1000 mph.
But yeah, they are skinnier than Brazilian girls. If bunda and fat thighs are your thing, then maybe you ought to stay away from Russia.
Shanker tell the truth . all Russian women are FAT and have bad attitudes you know that. Russian women dont have EXOTIC KILLER EYES never like aquamarine Grey blue anyway.. he he he he he he he he . The last thing I want to HEAR in Rossiya is some idiot speaking ENGLISH!!!! I am happy their is so much paper work Invatation sponsorship VISA and registration. Keeps mostl the English speaking clientel away.. Yes it gets cold there in the winter. Like you said in your posts "Once you had a RUSSIAN woman you are FUCK, theres NO turning back, you are HOOK" Dam you WHY are you so RIGHT!!!! Yes its a RICH MANS playground What it costs in Thailand for 3 weeks A monger can spend EASILY in Moscow 6 days(Hotels alone)and thats the CHEAP hotels. never mind PUSSY. In a way I wish I never went to Rossiya because its LIKE a drug, its EXPENSIVE!!!!!!!!!! But the women are to DIE for nothing on earth can come close... what I have spent in Rossiya these past 14 years is MIND BOGGLING!!!! But I am HOOK theres NO turning back.. Being that its so EXPENSIVE in Moscow it DOES keep most MONGERS away. And as Martha stewart says "And thats a good thing" he he he he he he All the better for us Bro all the better for us.. Poka.
Brian Moloney
05-07-09, 07:20
I have four words: poor diet, poor diet, cigarette smoke exposure, and poor diet. Yes, American women are fat, but they don't have that tired and worn out look that is irreversable after exposure to the elements of life in the Eastern Block.
Actually, maybe you are right...they are not all fat over 30..they look better on average younger than american woman but they age bad....short shelf life.
Stop it you are killing me with your humor.. hehehehe It dont matter if the Russian dyev, eats poorly eats shit smokes or dont live like North americans.. Its in the Genes. the LOOK oh my God the HIGH cheek bones, (EurAsian) the ALMOND shape eyes Green Blue Grey blue aquamarine. Blonde hair, LONG LONG LONG Legs to die for, the pouty LIPS .. The TALL girls (on average they are tall). Skin like whiter than porcilin.. And when they TRY to speak English with that course slavic accent. I am DONE I cum in my pants. I MELT HYPTNOTISED When I try to speak russian all I can do is stutter. I am fuck Dam You SHANKER you are RIGHT!!!!! I have it bad!!!!!!!!! I have travel 6 continents and I NEVER EVER get all fuck up like the Russki Deyva does to me. God I LOVE that country expensive yes But its UTOPIA .. I fell in LOVe with this country I bought a flat on the Novo Arabat. 12 years ago when it cost practicaly nothing. When the PRICE of OIL goes up again then PRICES will SKY ROCKET EVEN MORE and MOSCOW will get MORE expensive and even LESS tourists will come... Got to LOVE capitalism.
It's not only about money here in Colombia either. Being able to talk a good game goes a LONGGGGGGGGGGGGGG way, longer here than in North America IMO.
And if you have the mentality that you NEED to shell out money for a non pro here, you are a fool who is going to be taken advantage of. If it's a non pro she should be falling all over herself proving to you she's NOT after your money.
No offense Dickhead, but I just don't get why you would give your neighbor any money, for example. Why shouldn't SHE be paying YOUR ass?
She isn't my neighbor. In fact she has a 75 minute train ride and then two subways to get to my place. Would she fuck me for free? Probably, if it was convenient. But I doubt she'd drag her ass all the way here twice a week for free, and she misses work when she sees me. She was working full-time as a hooker when I met her and now she works full-time for very little money. So, I give her some money.
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Originally Posted by Bango Cheito
I think the worst country for sex is Canada, at least if you are actually living there.
What makes you say that?I think only in the case if he lives in Canada and has not lived in the USA. So he does not know what is bad.
If you have money in Canada, it's not that bad. At least it used to be.
Brian Moloney
05-07-09, 19:29
I think only in the case if he lives in Canada and has not lived in the USA. So he does not know what is bad.
If you have money in Canada, it's not that bad. At least it used to be.
I am from Canada. And Canada is the WORST place on earth for sex. OK if you live in Montreal Quebec. Even the USA is better than Canada. And thats not saying much. There are Russian Babes in Vancouver and Toronto in the Escort busniess. But at $400.00@hour why bother NOT worth it. Same quality in Rossiya for $100.00@hour. I know I use to go to a HIGH class Russian Babe in Saint Pete @$110@hour.. she NOW works in Vancouver and charges $350.00@hour. Of course I paid it. shes Russian. Last time I was with her she has GAIN 15Kilios. welcome to America and EVEN shes getting an attitude. I never ask her But I bet she even watches ORCA WINFREY
The other great thing about giving a woman money every single time you see her is that she then clearly knows she must provide sex every single time. How many AW GFs are going to provide sex on 100% of the dates?
Brian Moloney
05-07-09, 19:56
Wow. Worst than the Middle East, India. The list could go on.
As far as young women not interested in sex. That just plain BULLSHIT. The US has the highest teen age pregnancy rate of ALL industrialized countries. Thats a fact. So not a few but alot are fucking. I guess your friends just ain't got no game.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teenage_pregnancy
http://www.free-press-release.com/news/200804/1207250874.html
http://www.umm.edu/pediatrics/pregnancy.htm
Us girls are FUCKING big time. Just guys with no game are not getting laid and of course they blame it on the girls.
Are there fat girls in America. Absolutely. Are there beautiful girls in america. Again absolutely. You can find anything in want in america.
But then I guess if you are upset with your womanizing ability in America. Then you have no recourse but to blame it on the women. Cause obviously you guys are a woman's dream.
Just my 2 cents.. Most of the North American women in GENERAL are disgustinly FAT OBIEST to be honest.. But But the USA does have some BABES any body here says different is full of shit... The USA has always been KNOWN for beautiful women (until the Iron curtain came down) But its the ATTITUDE the North American women have that upsets me.. Even the average looking North American women can call the SHOTS because they KNOW they ARE in the drivers seat... Even the LARD asses can call the SHOTS and get away with it.. And FURTHER more being an EXPERT in MOSCOW in the P4P thats ALL I do. (I am married so I dont need a girl friend) Believe it or NOT and it astounds me but I have been TOLD many of times by the Russian Dyevuchkas Escorts I can HONESTLY say and it hurts to say it.. The DYEVUCHKAS 90% tell me that MEN from the USA are the HOTTEST looking men on the PLANET... I had to swallow my pride ..
I am from Canada. And Canada is the WORST place on earth for sex. OK if you live in Montreal Quebec. Even the USA is better than Canada. And thats not saying much. There are Russian Babes in Vancouver and Toronto in the Escort busniess. But at $400.00@hour why bother NOT worth it. Same quality in Rossiya for $100.00@hour. I know I use to go to a HIGH class Russian Babe in Saint Pete @$110@hour.. she NOW works in Vancouver and charges $350.00@hour. Of course I paid it. shes Russian. Last time I was with her she has GAIN 15Kilios. welcome to America and EVEN shes getting an attitude. I never ask her But I bet she even watches ORCA WINFREYSo it's mostly the money issue. At least you won't go to jail for soliciting of prostitution. Yes, USA can be twice cheaper, although I remember in Canada I did not have problem getting girls for $100. Vancuver, Montreal, Toronto. So now things changed? Also one friend from Toronto sometimes offered a girl (non pro) he just met some money to sleep with him, and sometimes they would agree.
My understanding that you can get arrested for this kinda things in USA. As well as they have undercover police-prostitutes. Therefore I believe nothing can be worse than USA where you get prosecuted for a natural desire to fuck. This is incredible and humiliating!
Even though there are some good-looking successful guys who know "how to play the game", so they are able to get laid with good looking girls, it does not make the life easier for the majority of American guys.
I have seen some guys in USA who never (or almost never) scored and do not have any hope for that. No somewhat good woman would be interested in them for different reasons (they are shy, not good looking, not rich and already old), and second they do not wanna commit a crime looking for prostitutes. They are stuck forever.
The other great thing about giving a woman money every single time you see her is that she then clearly knows she must provide sex every single time. How many AW GFs are going to provide sex on 100% of the dates?You are right.
Also the best is two have both. A wife/GF and some pro's on the side.
When paying a pro, you are going to have sex for sure and you can ask her to do anything you want. And she will not get offended if you ask her to do somehting looking strange to her. If she does not want to do it, you can cancel the date and pick another one. And nobody gets upset.
I wanna see the guys (including "pickup artists") who get "free girls" doing that. It may take months or years to convince a girl doing it for you something you like. Plus a lot of headaches, jelocy, obligations, bullshit etc. And if you wanna switch a girl, you start it all over again, dating, bullshit, all that crap again. It was fun when you're in your 20s, but when you're older you do not have much time to waste.
It took me years to convince one GF to anal sex and it still sucked big time. Her BJ sucked big time too. At the same time I managed to travel to other countries where I could get better things for money and no headache. Even though the GF was in USA, she was not an AW. I do not think an AW would allow me to travel without her and fuck around with other chicks. If I were with an AW I would be really screwed.
Just my 2 cents.. Most of the North American women in GENERAL are disgustinly FAT OBIEST to be honest.. ..... But its the ATTITUDE the North American women have that upsets me.. Even the average looking North American women can call the SHOTS because they KNOW they ARE in the drivers seat... Even the LARD asses can call the SHOTS and get away with it.. .....They can call the shot, but I do not have to listen to them or do what they say.
American or Americanized women (those are foreign women that you married and live in the US. It over take a foreign women a year or two to acclimate to the American way) tends to try and run over us guys. We do not have to take it. Luckily, I work for myself and travel extensively globally. I do have a women hear and there. I make it clear to them that it is purely companionship. If they like the good life then they will stick with me. If they give me shit, it just drop them like an anchor. I'm take precautions. I had a vascetomy over fifteen years ago but very rarely mentioned it. I had a few of the foreign gal try to tell my that a baby in on its way. It just smile and start plannng to dump the friggin biatch and move to greener pasture. I know that they getting pregnant from me is literally impossible.
What I'm saying is that I just leaves the affairs overseas and usually make sure that all they have is my US company's mailing address (yes Post Office only.). In the last fifteen years I have acquire a few and dump a few when they start getting sticky.
Just my two cents on this.
Ciao
The fact of the US high teen pregnancy rate has nothing to do with any love of sex among young females.
It has everything to do with family dysfunction, criminal families, families acting out in their addictions, perceived lacks of opportunity, pessimism for the future, absence of dad, poverty, anger, alienation, f'ed up gender roles and those around them who are doing the modeling for them, and retarded sex ed that only teaches abstinance and nothing about birth control (remember Sara Palin's daughter?).
Highly positive correlation between teen pregnancy and the above conditions.
Where the girls are well taken care of and loved, mom is home, dad is in the picture and working, and no one is in and out of jail, you just don't see as many pregnancies. Huh. Go figure.
Bm, I figured you were Canadian, given your handle. Sounds like you are from Vancouver. I can absolutely attest to what you said. Canada (with the notable exception of Quebec), is probably as bad it as it can get for women and sex, I can't possibly think of anyplace that can be worse. Thanks to sites like this one, and a few others, I finally gave up on Cdn BS fat stupid greedy women about 5 yrs ago, and started travelling around, beginning in Costa Rica, and extending from there. When I come back here, and look at these fat, stupid, arrogant women, and the fools that go after them, I just shake my head. Where I live, it is simply to make money for the next venture.
Why are the women like this? Because they can. Because the legal, and social systems virtually guarantee that with the rules so slanted to benefit the female, she knows she is in the driver's seat. Say Hi, and you can be accused of sex harassment. Have one move in with you for six months, all of a sudden you are on the hook for support payments. She can lie thru her teeth, it does not matter. And it will NEVER change until Canadian men stop being wusses and saps and stand up for something, and give them the collective middle finger.
I find it somewhat amazing that on this thread are opinions of people who I have never and probably will never meet, yet absolutely dovetail with my own.
ThatGuy865
05-08-09, 02:21
Just my 2 cents.. Most of the North American women in GENERAL are disgustinly FAT OBIEST to be honest.. But But the USA does have some BABES any body here says different is full of shit... The USA has always been KNOWN for beautiful women (until the Iron curtain came down) But its the ATTITUDE the North American women have that upsets me.. Even the average looking North American women can call the SHOTS because they KNOW they ARE in the drivers seat... Even the LARD asses can call the SHOTS and get away with it.. And FURTHER more being an EXPERT in MOSCOW in the P4P thats ALL I do. (I am married so I dont need a girl friend) Believe it or NOT and it astounds me but I have been TOLD many of times by the Russian Dyevuchkas Escorts I can HONESTLY say and it hurts to say it.. The DYEVUCHKAS 90% tell me that MEN from the USA are the HOTTEST looking men on the PLANET... I had to swallow my pride ..You kill me dude. Hookers tell you American men are the hottest men in the world. Yeah as you pass over the $100. Of course they would tell you the thruth. Because you two are so close.
ThatGuy865
05-08-09, 02:49
The fact of the US high teen pregnancy rate has nothing to do with any love of sex among females.
It has everything to do with family dysfunction, perceived lacks of opportunity, pessimism for the future, absence of dad, f'ed up gender roles and those around them who are doing the modeling for them, and retarded sex ed that only teaches abstinance and nothing about birth control (remember Sara Palin's daughter?).Everyone in america by 16 knows about birth control. They might not know how/where to get "the pill" but they know about condoms.
Lack of opportunity. In america? What country has better? . This isn't a new occurance. This has been a trend for years. Oh so teens are having sex because they don't like it! And MOST schools do NOT teach abstinance. Thats why they the religious right is so furious. Sara Palins daughter got pregnant because SHE LIKED SEX. She has good parents.
I was replying to this statement. Which is absolute nonsense. He said zero, nada, no sex at all, Americans are having sex just like everyone else.
1. Girls have zero interest in sex. They actually think sex is a dirty word and being taken advantage of. and regardless of the reason. They are having sex.
Do you care why a women has sex with you. I doubt it. You are just happy when she does. When have you heard a guy say "Hold on, I want to know why you are going to give me some pussy".
Disgruntle guys with AW are a MINORITY in america. Shit before 911 only about 17% of americans had passports. And most weren't mongers. That shows how much AM love to travel for women. If it wasn't for needing a passport to go to Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean. It would probably be the same.
Shit look at the military. Those guys travel all over the world screwing women while they are in service. But the MAJORITY wind up back in america with a AW. Why is that if AW are so bad.
The fact of the US high teen pregnancy rate has nothing to do with any love of sex among females.
It has everything to do with family dysfunction, perceived lacks of opportunity, pessimism for the future, absence of dad, f'ed up gender roles and those around them who are doing the modeling for them, and retarded sex ed that only teaches abstinance and nothing about birth control (remember Sara Palin's daughter?).I would also think it's probably the case. Once I told one guy that there is not much sex exists in the USA(compared to other countries, for example when I visit my male friends in other countries, its a norm for us to get chicks and fuck them, but it's a big problem to do the same in USA).
The person I was talking to, answered:
"are you out of your mind, look how many kids are in American families. Therefore there must be some substantial amount of sex in the USA, since those kids are born somehow". I guess we speak different language here.
And I still get puzzled when see some oddly looking girl with kids. The guy she scored with must be really horny so he managed to get her pregnant. I'm definitely missing something.
ThatGuy865
05-08-09, 04:31
Just my 2 cents.. Most of the North American women in GENERAL are disgustinly FAT OBIEST to be honest.. But But the USA does have some BABES any body here says different is full of shit... The USA has always been KNOWN for beautiful women (until the Iron curtain came down) But its the ATTITUDE the North American women have that upsets me.. Even the average looking North American women can call the SHOTS because they KNOW they ARE in the drivers seat... Even the LARD asses can call the SHOTS and get away with it.. And FURTHER more being an EXPERT in MOSCOW in the P4P thats ALL I do. (I am married so I dont need a girl friend) Believe it or NOT and it astounds me but I have been TOLD many of times by the Russian Dyevuchkas Escorts I can HONESTLY say and it hurts to say it.. The DYEVUCHKAS 90% tell me that MEN from the USA are the HOTTEST looking men on the PLANET... I had to swallow my pride ..The atitude of AW is because they have rights and can earn a good wage. The average AW does NOT have to rely on a Man for support. Thats the bottom line between AW and MOST women in other countries. Besides making money there are facilities which are setup to help them, Battered womans facilites, a welfare system, these all help women to NOT have to endure ABUSE from men that women in other countries do not have. If an AW has an abusive husband (be it mental or physical) she has recourse. Most of the countries that guys here aspire to live in. The women have no recourse, if their family doesn't help. There is no facilities, and in most LE won't get involved in Marital affairs.
AW are more liberated by these things. It takes a MAN to have to deal with an AW, because they don't NEED a mans support to live a good life. An AM knows his woman is with him because she WANTS to be NOT because she NEEDS to be, for the most part.
DJ FourMoney
05-08-09, 11:44
Bristol Palin is a typical American Teenager, child included. Simple as that...
But I will agree that economics, education, poverty and lack of opportunity all have an impact on teen pregnancy. Here's a story on DW's European Journal - http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4177417,00.html
High rates of Teen Pregnancy is not unique to America, but gee just like in America its a PROBLEM, imagine that and for largely the same reasons, interesting...
Only a "Man" can handle an American Woman, is that along the same attitude African-American Women have towards African-American Men (I hate that term...)? That is the biggest load of bullshhh I have seen on this forum in awhile!
Yes American women have recourse. Scratch that, most women in the industrialized world have recourse and even work with the United States if you have been naughty (as an American), I think you said that before, we are in agreement there.
But to say we can't handle the nonsense some how makes us complainers and weak, is WEAK.
Many of us CHOOSE not to deal with this. Strippers/Porn Stars tend to be the worst of the bunch out of attractive women but often the most accessible for the average boob, explain some of the dirt bags that end up being their boyfriends, a fate I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.
In many nightclubs around the globe its basically the same, men are wall flowers, women are dancing alone and among themselves. This is less of a problem in more sexually progressive countries. However it is most problematic in countries that have our problems with sexuality and poor sex/relationship education (US and UK). Explain how I can be standing in a bar in Kiev talking to Telso and get PULLED onto the dance-floor by a cute (in a girl next door kind of way) Danish girl? When that would NEVER happen in the United States of America nor the United Kingdom. It has less to do with my social status or looks and more to do with being sexually MATURE!
As George90 said, or maybe it was Dickhead, but in any case, women in America go out dressed to kill as it were because they know -
a) Many Men in America are desperate for attention
b) These same men are foolish enough to fall for any false advances by women
c) They are not going to fuck you tonight
It has much less to do with equal rights, equal pay (which hasn't happen yet, they still earn on average .78 for every dollar a white male makes), social recourse or anything else you have said so far. It has more do with taking advantage of a situation in which men have been beaten down and far too many have accepted that they should have to scale back who they are to be in a relationship with a woman they know little about because the vetting process is not taken seriously by EITHER party.
Otherwise there is no other logical explanation for high divorce rates, the high rate at which pregnant women are murdered and other social problems related to failed relationships or abusive relationships.
I don't recall most women outside of US or UK that have a laundry list of desires and litmus test American/British men usually have to pass to even get a date.
That my friend as Don King like to say "Only In America..."
A great country? Not in this century, mediocre is much closer to the point.
Brian Moloney
05-08-09, 17:20
You kill me dude. Hookers tell you American men are the hottest men in the world. Yeah as you pass over the $100. Of course they would tell you the thruth. Because you two are so close.
The HOOKERS 90% told me that men from the USA!!!! are the most attarctive looking men on the planet.. I am from Canada. There might be some truth in what they say... Because I have been to other countries and was TOLD the same thing even by women, not in the P4P, my mother was from Spain and even when I was young she always said that too...How handsome the Yankee men are.. Good Gene pool I guess, like the women in Russia..
thatguy:
have you ever lived outside the us? no, i thought not.
you have been brainwashed by the feminazis.
it takes a real "man" to handle aw? really? that's like saying it takes a real man to be emasculated, controlled, and oppressed, and then smile and ask for more. guess i'm not a real "man" then.
the us is third-world in many ways. you think we are so advanced. really? we have a higher infant-mortality rate than impoverished frickin' cuba! all other "advanced" countries including china have high-speed trains and look at us: 40 years behind them and choking on our traffic and fumes.
and birth control access for teens in many areas is highly restricted either by retarded laws that ban the morning after (which is not an abortion pill and was approved in europe many years before here because of religious fucktards!) pill or laws that allow pharmacists to refuse to dispense birth control because it goes against their "morals" (guess they don't care about the morality of unwanted neglected children). a couple that's been married 20 years has five kids, which only proves they had sex five times. high pregnancy rate does not necessarily correlate with high fucking rates. they do correlate with a fucked up society.
i don't think anyone here is advocating violence against women. not sure why you throw that around.
but radical-feminist "thought" has gone mainstream. all men are treated as sex predators and latent [CodeWord127] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord127). do you know what imbra is? look it up. http://www.melindaspenpals.com/blog2/
i got written up at work for "sex harrassment" (their precise words) for giving a woman a "knowing look"! wtf? what does that even mean? she was anonymous so i had no constitutional right to face and challenge my accuser. if a man is accused of that (or any sex/gender related crime) in this country he's guilty. case closed.
i'm far from rich but have no problem getting sex for free from hot women in foreign countries. an aw with half their looks acts as if she is doing me a huge favor by "allowing" me to buy her two overpriced drinks and then quickly moving on to the next sucker who will buy her dinner.
uh uh, not for me. no ma'am! http://www.bundyology.com/nomaam.html
ThatGuy:
Have you ever lived outside the US? No, I thought not.
You have been brainwashed by the feminazis.
It takes a real "MAN" to handle AW? Really? That's like saying it takes a real mean to be emasculated, controlled, and oppressed. Guess I'm not a real "MAN" then.
I would add that in the USA often you can see this anomaly of "switched genders". When a woman behaves more like a man, and the man is like a woman. It is rather a norm here to see a woman yelling at her man and sometimes beating him. If that is what it takes to be a "man", then it's not fun at all.
I am from Canada. And Canada is the WORST place on earth for sex. OK if you live in Montreal Quebec. Even the USA is better than Canada. And thats not saying much. There are Russian Babes in Vancouver and Toronto in the Escort busniess. But at $400.00@hour why bother NOT worth it. Same quality in Rossiya for $100.00@hour. I know I use to go to a HIGH class Russian Babe in Saint Pete @$110@hour.. she NOW works in Vancouver and charges $350.00@hour. Of course I paid it. shes Russian. Last time I was with her she has GAIN 15Kilios. welcome to America and EVEN shes getting an attitude. I never ask her But I bet she even watches ORCA WINFREYBrian, so it looks like the prices went up a lot! About 8 years ago there were girls in Canada available for about $100 USD for an hour or 150 CAD.
But the best times were in Russia in 1990s, where you could easily get a good-looking girl to party with you and your friends whole night for $50. It was around Moscow. Other areas were much cheaper. In some other cities you could get a girl for a cigarette and/or drinks.
I was going to respond to ThatGuy's two posts. There were just TOO ridiculous! But Yogin replied very ably before I could.
Thank you, Yogin. You made the very points I wanted to!
After thinking a bit more, I am no suspect that ThatGuy is not really a guy. Trolls come on here once in a while and spy for feminists groups or try to get material for some magazine article. Their modus operandi is to throw bombs to provoke a response and then use those responses as ammo for their agendas. ThatGuy appears to haved used that technique over the past few days. I mean that remark about "It takes a MAN to deal with an AW." is exactly the type of bomb a feminist would throw.
Time to ignore ThatGuy!
Brian Moloney
05-09-09, 01:00
Silly fellas out there if you want to make mongering a reality in the USA send same cash to the DNC. Right now it is run by Obama and co. And do you think he will not make some form of mongering legal during his admin. A la Spain or Germany is what I'd guess but I doubt we'd get Asia or South American style. But who knows! They need resources. I'd guess this stuff would happen later on. Just my thoughts but throw your support to the guy! They have talked about trains and the infrastructure and the sort of anti coporate agenda.- mongering fits right in.
Marak5
I guess Obama is trying to FIX everything in America. his first 100 days he has done a lot I must admit.. If they LEGALISED prostitution like in Europe. then the US governments national debt would be paid off in a couple of years. Like marijuana that would pay off the debt in NO TIME if it was Legalised. So that would DEFINATELY take the HEAT off the WEALHTY US citizens And the Multi national corporations,that have 15 trillion in off shore accounts that DONT want to be TAX. Anything can happen you never know as Bob Dylan wrote and sang. "The Times Are A changing" you never know????
ThatGuy865
05-09-09, 01:01
well guys allow me to retort.
i'll start with dj as i have stated before
women do get paid less than men but only in the same job. a women lawyer will make more than a male teacher. a women executive will make more than a male postal worker. just like oprah is the richest woman in the world and makes more than most male t. v. host.
women in most countries where you guys are talk about are 3rd world countries, or even in a lot of the industrial countries the women do not have the opportunity to become top lawyers, executives, scientist. thats the point. so when you approach one of these women or a women who is in a career mode. she wants a guy who is of the same mindset. in most other countries they just want a man. because no matter what he will provide better than what she can for herself.
as for strippers, most(of course not all) professional men would not seriously date a stripper. a professional knows he would be shunned the first time they took her to a (company/or with other professional) social gathering so they are left mainly with the low end of society to date.
brian, i'm american and of course i would like to think the compliment was true. but for me, i would never believe anything a hooker said, when it comes to a race of people. and just as you guys complain about aw being fat, am are some of the fattest in the world also. i have a hard time believing that any culture/race has a total lock on any physical attribute. that is solely a personal view.
i still haven't heard anyone answer: military men are well traveled, experienced with women all over the world. but the majority never marry those women and come back to the us and marry aw and never go back to those so called great women. why is that? some marry foreigners, but the overall majority do not.
yogin,
our high mortality rate has nothing to do with us being 3rd worldess and more to do with capitalism. most other countries have universal health care. we in this country don't. didn't you hear all the outcry of socialism when the president even speaks of universal health care because it requires higher taxes, which american hate. the power that be would rather keep it privatized, therefore if you can't afford prenatal care. here you are s. o. l.
other countries with high speed rail is because we decided we would rather have a robuse highway system. american prefer to drive themselves instead of mass transportation. the president suggested improving amtrak and the was an outcry against it. why. again because it comes from taxes. and americans hate to pay taxes.
as for violence, i only stated that because it goes to the high divorce rate. and i stated mental and physical abuse. see here you start verbally degrading your woman, she has the funds and can find facilities which will supply her with a place to stay and food until she can find her own. most other countries don't, especially those that you guys are talking about the great women.
the bottom line is aw don't have to put up with any shit at all. so they grow up much more independent than women in other countries.
didn't mean to write so much but wanted to address all.
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I was going to respond to ThatGuy's two posts. There were just TOO ridiculous! But Yogin replied very ably before I could.
Thank you, Yogin. You made the very points I wanted to!
After thinking a bit more, I am no suspect that ThatGuy is really a guy. Trolls come on here once in a while and spy for feminists groups or try to get material for some magazine article. Their modus operandi is to throw bombs to provoke a response and then use those responses as ammo for their agendas. ThatGuy appears to haved used that technique over the past few days. I mean that remark about "It takes a MAN to deal with an AW." is exactly the type of bomb a feminist would throw.
Time to ignore ThatGuy!Yes, there must be something wrong here. I was really surprised to see ThatGuy on the Philipino forum telling that he's been going to Philipines for 20 years!
http://www.internationalsexguide. Info/forum/showthread.php? P=876650#post876650
If he is a MAN enough to deal with AW, then why go for tiny submissive Philipina girls for 20 years? Not even Russian, not Latinas which both would be closer to their American counterparts in many ways, but to Philipinas. And pointing out that "The girls will date anything with 2 legs. " "Obesely fat 60 yr olds all with 18 yr old models. " Why does not he do that in the USA, since he says that everything is available there and young American girls like sex? Really strange.
You have to be mad to tell us, the losers, that we suck and are not man enough, because we cannot score with beautiful AW, but at the same time you go to Philipines for 20 years.
I have tried to understand this guy first, and respected his point of view, but now it looks like a joke. But nothing personal. Suerte.
Jelly Donut
05-09-09, 01:50
Silly fellas out there if you want to make mongering a reality in the USA send same cash to the DNC. Right now it is run by Obama and co. And do you think he will not make some form of mongering legal during his admin. A la Spain or Germany is what I'd guess but I doubt we'd get Asia or South American style. But who knows! They need resources. I'd guess this stuff would happen later on. Just my thoughts but throw your support to the guy! They have talked about trains and the infrastructure and the sort of anti coporate agenda.- mongering fits right in.
Marak5
If you really want prostitution in your state or town - you don't need to go to Washington to ask permission. As you know, it's legal in some parts of Neveda because of the laws of the State of Nevada and disposition of some local municipalities in that state. The DNC can not help you with this.
Prostitution is regulated by the Federal government when it crosses state lines. If you arrange for a sex worker from New York to come to Washington, there are Federal laws which can apply. While I respect your enthusiasm for Obama, there's really nothing to suggest his administration is looking to change or adjust the Mann Act. Politically speaking, it would be very distracting, to say the least, if he were to start promoting libertarian ideas. It's really not his thing and, frankly, more important things occupy his day.
No. If anything you would be wise to anticipate things will get worse under Obama. With him, it's only a matter of time before some feminist lawyer finds herself high enough up in the Department of Justice to start mixing RICO, the Mann Act, god knows what else to target people in virtual places like, say, ISG.
Big Johnson2
05-09-09, 01:52
Disgruntle guys with AW are a MINORITY in america. Shit before 911 only about 17% of americans had passports. And most weren't mongers. That shows how much AM love to travel for women. If it wasn't for needing a passport to go to Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean. It would probably be the same.
Shit look at the military. Those guys travel all over the world screwing women while they are in service. But the MAJORITY wind up back in america with a AW. Why is that if AW are so bad.
Most people do not like going outside the box to get pussy or anything else. That's why few people travel to non-English speaking countries. Most people would rather be miserable than make a change. They don't know how good it could be overseas. Look how may people will stay in a horrible job vs. taking on a new one that would probably be better. Many of the military guys are outside of their own comfort zone when dating or going to P4P while overseas, therefore go back to America to live the American "Scheme". Though you will find many military guys makeup the expat community.
I have friends who are totally unhappy with their dating/love/sex life in America. Even if I show them pictures and tell them stories about how good it is, they will never go. Staying in that comfort zone is more important than anything else. Just because American men marry their own doesn't mean they are happy. Hardly.
Hey BM,
Maybe we have the worst women in the world for sex here in Canada, but we have something nobody else does. The Toronto Maple Leafs!
Big Johnson2
05-09-09, 02:51
I’d like to comment on many people’s comments.
First I was only talking about Western countries, not Asian countries. I’m guessing the Mid East and India may be worse than these Western countries, but I don’t have enough info on them. Doesn’t Dubai have legalized P4P? If you have information about horrible non-Western counties, please let's add them to the list.
Having a high teenage pregnancy in the USA means little to youth from a white collar or maybe ever some blue collar families. My guess is that 80% the teenage pregnancy is in the poor black, Hispanic, and white communities.
My cousin is in a happening rock band that plays some of the larger bars in a major US city with over 1 million people. My cousin and the 3 other guys (18-21 yr olds) in the band are very good looking and none of the guys have girl friends. Note these guys go to college and are not druggies. So girls in that age group are not interested in band members now. It really seems hard to believe.
I went to a large social in my city that had about 300-400 people ages 20-50. I noticed that 90% of the guys were thin, but only 50% of the girls were of normal weight. Less than 10% of the girls were pretty enough to want to date. I would guess out of 400 people only about 25 girls were good.
Most white guys in American have given up on white girls and you see many of them dating Asians, Latins, etc.
I have a friend who is 5’10” and about a 9 on a 10 scale. He makes over 100K and still can’t get a girl friend. He has to date foreign women to even get any interest.
So guys if you’ve always believed that the reason you don’t get is because you are too short, not good looking enough, or not rich enough, you are wrong. Good looking guys aren’t getting it either. It is not something you are doing wrong. It’s the culture.
The quality of sex in America has steadily gone down. The intensity and quality of sex I had 20 years ago was 100 times better. Some of the last sex I had in America was almost not enjoyable at all. In contrast, the women I’ve had sex with overseas (not referring to P4P), the girls tried to rock my world. It seems like each one of them tried to give me the most unbelievable sex I ever had. I think it is because in their country being sexy and sexual is what a desirable women is suppose to do. They are in tune with their sexuality and think of sex as enjoyable for them too. I also believe more of the women overseas are orgasmic, whereas I think American women have sex hang ups.
The lack of legalized prostitution forces men to stay in horrible marriages or relationships with super high maintenance women, just for occasional sex. The men think they are in love, where really all it is, is love of pussy.
I do have a friend who is 47 who says all the women in their 40s are eager to fuck and claims he gets sex with most of them on the first to 3rd date. He says some are overweight. I haven’t seen these women so can’t attest to their quality, but I’m assuming it is very low. The only problem with these women is that they will hit menopause soon and many will have no sex drive soon.
So what is the order of bottom 10 worse Western countries in the world.
1. USA
2. Canada
3. Australia, New Zealand
4. UK
5. Italy
Can someone help me? I am putting Canada second to USA because of French Quebec. I think Australia and New Zealand have many butt ugly girls. There are few to no Kylie Minogues and Nickole Kidmans there. I’m not sure which country is worse. Maybe UK is better than Aust or NZ. Italy may have nicer looking women, but they don’t put out, so I’d put it at the bottom for Europe. I don’t think it has legalized P4P. Does UK, Aust., NZ have legalized P4P? A friend tells me Taiwan is horrible for Asian guys. Is there P4P there?
I believe having legalized P4P changes the dynamic of the country by giving men an outlet, therefore they don’t get into horrible unnecessary relationship. Does having P4P change the dynamics in countries that have it. Are the non- working women in countries where there is legalized P4P, more responsive to taking care of their men?
To the guys that have lived in several countries please help me come up with a list. Countries that have little sex, but have legalized P4P will be higher up the list, because there is an outlet for men. Any ideas and what countries should be on the list and what order?
Most people do not like going outside the box to get pussy or anything else. That's why few people travel to non-English speaking countries. Most people would rather be miserable than make a change...I have friends who are totally unhappy with their dating/love/sex life in America. Even if I show them pictures and tell them stories about how good it is, they will never go. Staying in that comfort zone is more important than anything else. Just because American men marry their own doesn't mean they are happy. Hardly.
Well said! It's like why people stay in jobs/careers they hate or marriages that are miserable. At least it's familiar and they know what to expect. They are too scared/insecure/defeated to take a chance and go for a better life. Sad.
Either ThatGuy is a castrated brainwashed AM, or is an AW "feminist scholar" (talk about an oxymoron) looking for material for her doctoral thesis in gender studies.
Big Johnson2, thank you for your excellent post!
I think mostly it is very true.
I would correct: Mid East is not bad at all. There are many places for P4P. Many eastern European girls are available, also many Eastern European tourist women go there for the only purpose to have sex with local men.
India should be fine too according to the forum. I have not been there yet, but I do not think there are any problems with P4P.
I would not put UK in the list. If you got some money, you can fuck some really hot girls there, no problem. It is legal. I accidently stayed overnite in Manchester, and it was not bad at all with respect to working girls. But the rest. Hotel, restaurants suck big time in UK. Of course it was my only one day experience. I can be wrong.
And of course, you're right, USA is #1. I'm almost out of here for South America first.
Doctor_Skank
05-09-09, 05:59
I noticed that 90% of the guys were thin, but only 50% of the girls were of normal weight. Less than 10% of the girls were pretty enough to want to date. I would guess out of 400 people only about 25 girls were good.I won't comment directly on the status of sex in the US in general as I did pretty well there and the quality of girls I had was high, nonetheless I agree that after spending many years overseas one thing that did strike me is that in general the attractiveness of men in the US is much higher than women. The same is true for Italy for example, lots of good-looking men but relatively few good-looking women. No wonder US and Italian men are always on the prowl overseas and when they are there, do quite well for themselves. What saddens me is seeing an obviously unhappy but good-looking and good-natured guy with a chubby, bitchy girlfriend or wife in the US. Happens far too often that guys get stuck with a hag.
Big Johnson2
05-09-09, 06:47
I won't comment directly on the status of sex in the US in general as I did pretty well there and the quality of girls I had was high, nonetheless I agree that after spending many years overseas one thing that did strike me is that in general the attractiveness of men in the US is much higher than women. The same is true for Italy for example, lots of good-looking men but relatively few good-looking women. No wonder US and Italian men are always on the prowl overseas and when they are there, do quite well for themselves. What saddens me is seeing an obviously unhappy but good-looking and good-natured guy with a chubby, bitchy girlfriend or wife in the US. Happens far too often that guys get stuck with a hag.
The nice looking guy - fat woman problem is not just with the 30+ men. My 2 first cousins are in college and I've seen them and their friends with fat girls. I've seen some good looking guys in great shape going out with fat 18-22 year olds girls. Very sad. When I was in college 20+ years ago I wouldn't have been caught dead with a fat girl.
Brian Moloney
05-09-09, 07:38
The nice looking guy - fat woman problem is not just with the 30+ men. My 2 first cousins are in college and I've seen them and their friends with fat girls. I've seen some good looking guys in great shape going out with fat 18-22 year olds girls. Very sad. When I was in college 20+ years ago I wouldn't have been caught dead with a fat girl.
Like everything else in North America Famularity breeds contempt.. FAT women in America are naturally excepted as the norm.. Its natural like eating sleeping and breathing... And they still call the shots.. Now just think when a BABE walks by GYM type, works out, Jogs etc. A HARD body and the beauty that goes with it. Ok if you dont have a ferarri and a million bucks in the bank and NOT a professional. Then dont even LOOK at me, never alone SPEAK to me LOSER!!!! If your daddy is rich, or you look like a brad Pitt. OK I can make an exception for you .. There are some good women in North America there has to be, more than likely there is. But is it REALLY REALLY WORTH the mental aggrevation, time, energy, money, to find that girl out there in North America???? I gave up about 15 years ago.. The ONLY true regret I have in LIFE is WHY Didnt I go LOOKING OUTSIDE the BOX earlier????? I fucking didnt NEED Viagra then.. Oh well some one once told me Youth is wasted on the young.
ThatGuy865
05-09-09, 13:08
Yes, there must be something wrong here. I was really surprised to see ThatGuy on the Philipino forum telling that he's been going to Philipines for 20 years!
http://www.internationalsexguide. Info/forum/showthread.php? P=876650#post876650
If he is a MAN enough to deal with AW, then why go for tiny submissive Philipina girls for 20 years? Not even Russian, not Latinas which both would be closer to their American counterparts in many ways, but to Philipinas. And pointing out that "The girls will date anything with 2 legs. " "Obesely fat 60 yr olds all with 18 yr old models. " Why does not he do that in the USA, since he says that everything is available there and young American girls like sex? Really strange.
You have to be mad to tell us, the losers, that we suck and are not man enough, because we cannot score with beautiful AW, but at the same time you go to Philipines for 20 years.
I have tried to understand this guy first, and respected his point of view, but now it looks like a joke. But nothing personal. Suerte.I initially went there helping a friend establish a business. Since then he has married and started a family there. I go to visit because 1) I have a place to stay, so the only thing I pay for is the flight. 2) For a VACATION it is a fun place.
Thats a big difference than totally giving up on AW. I never advocated NOT going and having fun with other women. I just don't see AW as the worst women to date.
I can understand Brian liking Russian women and thats ok. Because everyone has their own taste. But because you like a woman from another culture/race doesn't make AW any less of a catch. They are just not your cup of tea. But to say they are all these or that, and the worst women for sex is just not true. They are just not what you like.
If I like vanilla, that doesn't make Chocolate bad. Just not what I like. That the point I'm trying to make. Sure there are beautiful women, everywhere. And I never in any of my Post stated that being with a foreign woman was a bad thing,
My statement that it take a MAN to deal with AW. Attest to that fact, in short what I'm saying is yes they may not be as compromising as women from other countries, and yes they can be head strong. Yes you have to work harder to impress/date a AW. So in my book, you have to Man up, suck it up, learn how to deal with rejection, because yes you will be turned down chasing AW, but thats part of the excitment, "the chase" as they say.
I believe we have all heard Men are hunters, by nature, well AW are that hard gazelle to catch, you have to become a skilled hunter to catch one. Or you can hunt something less elusive such as rabbit. Now both maybe as tasty as the other. Just be cause the rabbit is easier to catch, shouldn't lessen the hard to get Gazelle. To use as an analogy.
Sure in a lot of countries the women are going to be eaiser to get in bed, more traditional, less demanding. But that shouldn't mean because AW arent like that, that it makes AW terrible. As we all can see there are millions of men in happy relationships with AW, and would never think to bed a foreigner. It boils down to taste, one should be able to like one, without diminishing the other.
Now just think when a BABE walks by GYM type, works out, Jogs etc. A HARD body and the beauty that goes with it. Ok if you don't have a ferarri and a million bucks in the bank and NOT a professional. Then don't even LOOK at me, never alone SPEAK to me LOSER! haha even though I'm suposedly attractive to AW, I'm not interested at all in this BS. I recently sold my car, moving money out.
I will just keep USA as one source of income. Today one latin friend is visiting me, he's pissed with the country but cannot do much, he's married to an AW. He's good-looking but cannot do anything!
I believe we have all heard Men are hunters, by nature, well AW are that hard gazelle to catch, you have to become a skilled hunter to catch one. Or you can hunt something less elusive such as rabbit. Now both maybe as tasty as the other. Just be cause the rabbit is easier to catch, shouldn't lessen the hard to get Gazelle. To use as an analogy.
There's a problem, when the elusive gazelle's you speak of are excessively Obese and snotty. You can have 'em. I prefer the sleeker gazelles that inhabit the plains of South East Asia, Europe, S America etc. All AW want is your money, especially American Black chicks. So if you are flashy and like to throw away $$$$$, you'll have all types of AW beating a path to your door.
Jelly Donut
05-09-09, 18:46
I think everything suggests that there will be monumental infrastructure and social change under his admin. !
Maybe.
It's not Pelosi's district, but five years ago Berkeley, California voted 63% against decriminalizing prostitution. As I'm sure you are aware, Berkeley is one of the most Democratic cities in the country. Democratic districts seem to get enthusiasm for these kinds of things, but never get the votes to pass them.
It's an informing contrast that the same day Churchill County, Nevada voted 62% to keep brothels legal even though no brothels existed in the county at the time. That county is around 70 percent Republican.
I'm not looking to draw battle lines here over labels, but if you look at things objectively you can not assume Democrats, "the Left" or whatever is working hard to get you laid. For instance, "the Left" (here a combination of 'Labor' and 'Progress' parties) in Norway produced this:
"A new law has come into force [on Jan. 1, 2009] in Norway making the purchase of sex illegal. Norwegian citizens caught paying for prostitutes at home or abroad could face a hefty fine or a six-month prison sentence, authorities say. "
And here I digress to suggest that Norway is the hardest country in "the West" to get laid in. Just read the posts. (the top ten are Pakistan, Egypt, Iran, Algeria, Afganistan, Saudi Arabia, Yeman, Kuwait, Libya and Iraq.)
There are plenty of African-American Democrat lawmakers who embrace the kinds of laws adopted in Norway and Sweden. I think the State of Maryland is a boiler room for these ideas in the United States. See Delegate Joanne C. Benson (D) Task Force for the Prevention of [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) in Maryland et al.
In fact, you would be hard-pressed to find any African-American lawmakers who favor relaxing laws against prostitution or reducing government funding or support for things like the International Marriage Broker Act, Violence Against Women Act or National Center for Missing & Exploited Children (which at least during the Bush admistration was used as an anti-prostitution platform). I'd be happy to be proved wrong; there's no doubt Obama occupies an odd "Nixon goes to China" kind of place in the American political culture, but there's nothing to indicate he's going to push to overturn 100 years of Federal involvement in the sex lives of Americans.
I think it's great you are enthusiastic about Obama, but the DNC is not part of the solution and guys who want to get laid would be much better off holding onto thier money (thinking on this past weeks Treasury auction, probably in some way that plays well against long-term inflation).
Chocha Monger
05-09-09, 19:13
There's a problem, when the elusive gazelle's you speak of are excessively Obese and snotty. You can have 'em. I prefer the sleeker gazelles that inhabit the plains of South East Asia, Europe, S America etc. All AW want is your money, especially American Black chicks. So if you are flashy and like to throw away $$$$$, you'll have all types of AW beating a path to your door.
I have always thought of the USA more as a hog hunting country than a gazelle hunting country. And yes, it takes a REAL MAN to hunt down one of them hogs! Check out the fierce tusks and rugged flanks on the bruiser in the photo.
One ugly looking, slobbish, farmers parade float. Talk about letting yourself go; she went, kept going, and going, and going. The worst part of the photo, she is not the worst looking BBW AW out there. She is more like one of the moons sorrounding larger planets in the good old USA. Oh, there are many guys out there buying that pig drinks also :eek:. They call themselves voluptous, juicy, and other fancy names. I got 13 days to a nice plane ride to some really nice, slim looking game:D. I can't wait...
I have always thought of the USA more as a hog hunting country than a gazelle hunting country. And yes, it takes a REAL MAN to hunt down one of them hogs! Check out the fierce tusks and rugged flanks on the bruiser in the photo.
Deal Seeker
05-09-09, 19:37
Thats a big difference than totally giving up on AW. I never advocated NOT going and having fun with other women. I just don't see AW as the worst women to date.
My statement that it take a MAN to deal with AW. Attest to that fact, in short what I'm saying is yes they may not be as compromising as women from other countries, and yes they can be head strong. Yes you have to work harder to impress/date a AW. So in my book, you have to Man up, suck it up, learn how to deal with rejection, because yes you will be turned down chasing AW, but thats part of the excitment, "the chase" as they say.
I believe we have all heard Men are hunters, by nature, well AW are that hard gazelle to catch, you have to become a skilled hunter to catch one. Or you can hunt something less elusive such as rabbit. Now both maybe as tasty as the other. Just be cause the rabbit is easier to catch, shouldn't lessen the hard to get Gazelle. To use as an analogy.
Sure in a lot of countries the women are going to be eaiser to get in bed, more traditional, less demanding. But that shouldn't mean because AW arent like that, that it makes AW terrible. As we all can see there are millions of men in happy relationships with AW, and would never think to bed a foreigner. It boils down to taste, one should be able to like one, without diminishing the other.I'm not sure I'd agree. The prey becomes the predator in you. S divorce courts. I know a USA M. C Force Recon marine that I would daresay is tough. Reduced to blubbering shadow of a man after his trophy wife got through with him in divorce court. That man who went through SERE (got waterboarded), and has killed enemy combatants. All his advanced combat training is worthless, unless he goes postal. I wonder if Thatguy is married, and experienced divorce. If you have, please say so.
Manizales911
05-09-09, 20:39
Happens far too often that guys get stuck with a hag.You're never STUCK with a hag unless you want to be. I married a hag and divorced her sorry ass.Yeah, she took a boat load of money from me but I'd rather be significantly poorer and not have to deal with a fucking *****.
Just my 2 cents.
There's a problem, when the elusive gazelle's you speak of are excessively Obese and snotty. You can have 'em. I prefer the sleeker gazelles that inhabit the plains of South East Asia, Europe, S America etc. All AW want is your money, especially American Black chicks. So if you are flashy and like to throw away $$$$$, you'll have all types of AW beating a path to your door.
Foreign women like to get in Western guys pockets also. To poor SE Asians to poor EE girls. As they say in Thailand...you me... "Same Same." The only woman I have ever dated who generally had nothing to gain being in a relationship with me was an American women. Man you guys need to stop.....
Foreign women like to get in Western guys pockets also. To poor SE Asians to poor EE girls. As they say in Thailand...you me... "Same Same." The only woman I have ever dated who generally had nothing to gain being in a relationship with me was an American women. Man you guys need to stop.....You are so "illogic". Have you ever hear about divorce. They have a lot to gain. How often to you hear that a woman pays the man alimony. You must be totally "pus$y whipped". For me, I keep the babe overseas and do not bring them over. If they get their asses over here, it takes less than a few years before they figure out the game and they are no different than any other AW. Period.
I have had so many women in the US wanting to get together and most of them tell you about relationships and everything. But once they got you around their fingers, you are toasted.
What is the ratio of men paying women for alimony vs them paying us. Virtually nil. I am not talking about the divorce with the housewife. Many of these women have well paying jobs and the man still pay. Pay. Pay.
I recently had a friend payout a little over $10M, even though the wife has a well paying job and very well educated (MBA from Univ of Chicago). You figure.
Open up your eyes and look around.
Brian Moloney
05-09-09, 21:44
I initially went there helping a friend establish a business. Since then he has married and started a family there. I go to visit because 1) I have a place to stay, so the only thing I pay for is the flight. 2) For a VACATION it is a fun place.
Thats a big difference than totally giving up on AW. I never advocated NOT going and having fun with other women. I just don't see AW as the worst women to date.
I can understand Brian liking Russian women and thats ok. Because everyone has their own taste. But because you like a woman from another culture/race doesn't make AW any less of a catch. They are just not your cup of tea. But to say they are all these or that, and the worst women for sex is just not true. They are just not what you like.
If I like vanilla, that doesn't make Chocolate bad. Just not what I like. That the point I'm trying to make. Sure there are beautiful women, everywhere. And I never in any of my Post stated that being with a foreign woman was a bad thing,
My statement that it take a MAN to deal with AW. Attest to that fact, in short what I'm saying is yes they may not be as compromising as women from other countries, and yes they can be head strong. Yes you have to work harder to impress/date a AW. So in my book, you have to Man up, suck it up, learn how to deal with rejection, because yes you will be turned down chasing AW, but thats part of the excitment, "the chase" as they say.
I believe we have all heard Men are hunters, by nature, well AW are that hard gazelle to catch, you have to become a skilled hunter to catch one. Or you can hunt something less elusive such as rabbit. Now both maybe as tasty as the other. Just be cause the rabbit is easier to catch, shouldn't lessen the hard to get Gazelle. To use as an analogy.
Sure in a lot of countries the women are going to be eaiser to get in bed, more traditional, less demanding. But that shouldn't mean because AW arent like that, that it makes AW terrible. As we all can see there are millions of men in happy relationships with AW, and would never think to bed a foreigner. It boils down to taste, one should be able to like one, without diminishing the other.
I am NOT saying there isnt any GOOD looking babes in North America.. There "LOOK" does NOT appeal to me.. Yes I m infatuated with SLAVIC women , they can undress you with their ALMOND shape eyes.. The Gazelle as you call them in North America are TO HARD to get long with.. They ALWAYS want their OWN way .. And LOVE attention look at me .. It makes my stomach crawl.. Most RUSSIAN women say they are NOT very good looking .. women in Rossiya look all the same..she says. But when I brought my WIFE to Canada she said I see what you mean now.. Yes I think I am attractive woman now.. But she fell home sick for the motherland (Thank God she was getting North Americanized just starting) OF course I said Your family misses you and your babushka. hehehehehe Yep didnt take long before she wanted to go back. My little girl wanted to stay. but I KNOW the EDUCATION SYSTEM is better in Russia. And I dont want her UNEDUCATED like her father. hehehehehe Yes Life is good.
ThatGuy865
05-10-09, 00:06
I have always thought of the USA more as a hog hunting country than a gazelle hunting country. And yes, it takes a REAL MAN to hunt down one of them hogs! Check out the fierce tusks and rugged flanks on the bruiser in the photo.That was a good one, good laugh.
I have said this in another board but prostitution was up for a vote in Nancy Pelosi's district last November and I don't think it was a coincidence.
In addition his wife is a black lady and they are much more open about this sort of thing than typical white AW.
I suppose 'they' is referring to Black ladies?????? ALL Black ladies?????
Are you from Mississippi? Alabama? 150 years ago????
Do you sincerely believe that an entire race of women think alike on one topic? Why do you believe that a Black woman would be more open about prostitution than a White woman??????
I guess you won't believe this but most Blacks in the US are more socially conservative than Whites! Especially the large religious element in the Black community is heavily against any decriminalization of prostitution. In fact, the higher rates of HIV in the Black community is attributed by some to the refusal of religious Blacks to even acknowledge, nevermind discuss, homosexuality in the Black community.
You seem to have some outdated ignorant beliefs, Marak. What other such statements do you have up your sleeve?
Foreign women like to get in Western guys pockets also. To poor SE Asians to poor EE girls. As they say in Thailand...you me... "Same Same." The only woman I have ever dated who generally had nothing to gain being in a relationship with me was an American women. Man you guys need to stop.....
We need to differentiate between hookers and "civilian" women. I'll never date or marry a hooker PERIOD. There is NO difference between an American Hooker and a hooker from another Country...they all love money. I'll take a regular "civilian" European, S.E. Asian, Brazilian, Latina woman over a "civilian" American woman any day. I think I'm entitled to my own opinion same as you....just my 0.02cents.
We need to differentiate between hookers and "civilian" women. I'll never date or marry a hooker PERIOD. There is NO difference between an American Hooker and a hooker from another Country...they all love money. I'll take a regular "civilian" European, S.E. Asian, Brazilian, Latina woman over a "civilian" American woman any day. I think I'm entitled to my own opinion same as you....just my 0.02cents.
.....In the third world the lines are blurred between P4P and "normal" girls. As a sophisticated world traveler I think you would know that. Well it is anyway in the country where I live.
ALL WOMEN LOVE MONEY!
ThatGuy865
05-10-09, 14:11
.....In the third world the lines are blurred between P4P and "normal" girls. As a sophisticated world traveler I think you would know that. Well it is anyway in the country where I live.
ALL WOMEN LOVE MONEY!This is so true. The reason the women in other countries are so ready to please is their perception that all FOREIGN MEN are WEALTHY or at least WEALTHIER than men from their country. Whether they are pros or non pros. That is the main attraction for these women. Their perception is they have just met DONALD TRUMP so yeah they are going to bend over backwards to make a foreigner feel good.
If this wasn't the case. Why do they change so easy when they come to the USA If they were so different, that wouldn't change so quickly.
.....In the third world the lines are blurred between P4P and "normal" girls. As a sophisticated world traveler I think you would know that. Well it is anyway in the country where I live.
ALL WOMEN LOVE MONEY!
Not necessarily. There are some exceptions.
Brian Moloney
05-10-09, 20:57
This is so true. The reason the women in other countries are so ready to please is their perception that all FOREIGN MEN are WEALTHY or at least WEALTHIER than men from their country. Whether they are pros or non pros. That is the main attraction for these women. Their perception is they have just met DONALD TRUMP so yeah they are going to bend over backwards to make a foreigner feel good.
If this wasn't the case. Why do they change so easy when they come to the USA If they were so different, that wouldn't change so quickly.
No brainer if you have a BOX of rotten apples and put a GOOD apple in that BOX. Well it goes BAD too. Before the RECESSION in MOSCOW Foreigners are CONSIDERD POOR!!!!!AND cheapskates!!! always counting their money. ha ha ha ha That is soooooo true.. The OIL money made Russians RICH.. In the provinces it is poor, yes. I married a provincial girl... I am happy I did... But as ever body KNOWS that has ever been to Moscow it is IMPOSSIBLE to stay FAITHFULL!!!!!!! A man could FALL in LOVE every 2 minutes, God I love that country.. Most Russian wives KNOW their husbands have a mistress or 2 or 3 but generally it is EXCEPTED.. My wifey knows I am DEFINATELY faithfull in Canada. this is TRUE... No LIE!!!!!! But she KNOWS I am NOT in Moscow as long as she gets her 2K a month she is happy. Yes I have found heaven he he he he he Blake095 I know you are reading this, YES, she is a Ba Ba But I do LOVE her. She cooks and cleans NEVER has a headache nice tits but I am a LEG MAN.. Shes a housewife from the 50s Betty crocker he he he he Blake095 we will go to Saransk again... Remember the Hos are cheap there and so are apartments.. You said so yourself its the BEST bang for your buck in all of Russia. Thats why we go to Moscow before we go to Saransk.
A lot of what is said here is true. Women always believe that grass is greener on the other side of the fence, and will always believe a foreigner (especially a 3rd world girl looking at a 1st world man) will believe that.
For example, where I live, I don't think it could be any worse. When one considers the high incomes, labour shortages (although slightly alleviated with the oil price pullback, but when the price comes back, so will the jobs), a 5. 1 male to female ratio, and the bias towards women in the legal system, why would any of these 'hoes want a guy? They don't need one, they can do just fine.
Elsewhere, things are not at all like that. Women can't get higher paying jobs, and they don't have a gov support system that effectively expropriates all wealth from the man. They want someone to support them, and knowing they will never get that at home, will latch onto a man that provides them security. Simple reversion to what a female is naturally looking for, security. They find that, even for a short time, with a (maybe perceived) wealthier male, and will do all they can to keep him for as long as possible. Canadian women do not need men, and they do not hesitate to show it.
No brainer if you have a BOX of rotten apples and put a GOOD apple in that BOX. Well it goes BAD too. This is very true and explains a lot!
If this wasn't the case. Why do they change so easy when they come to the USA If they were so different, that wouldn't change so quickly.So why do not you buy spoiled meat, rotten eggs, etc. In a Supermarket? Not MAN enough to deal with such food?
What is the point to be a "MAN" and deal an AW. Only because you think that a foreign woman can become potentially as rotten as AW?
Why go for a rotten egg when you can get a fresh one elsewhere?
Also I have seen here this "real man's" idea that sleeping with a prostitute for money is like cheating on a test. If someone is reading this, then most likely he is cheating a lot too, he probably did not solder the circuit board for the computer, did not write Windows, and probably downloaded the Firefox browser for free.
The problem is we do not have too much time to live to afford not to cheat.
Bango Cheito
05-11-09, 06:49
Thatguy, at least in the case of Colombia you couldn't be more wrong.
Females outnumber males here in in Congress, and in the Bogota city council. The young also outnumber the old in both.
Women have every single right women do in the US, better pay equity, and have NO problem standing up for themselves. A man went to jail for 4 years here just for grabbing a woman's ass on the bus.
Yet not only are people here better looking and in better health, they also enjoy sex more, do it more and are FAR more liberal when it comes to sex in general.
There are women here who are totally into taking advantage of men and using sex as a weapon but they are a very slim minority. It's not hard at all to just go out and get laid here, yet it's tantamount to climbing Mt. Everest in the US and Canada, why the fuck would that be??
BTW that highway system is crumbling and falling apart as we speak, and there's a looming public health crisis in the works from all the millions of people with zero access to healthcare, especially since so many of them are living in tents now! Opportunity in America, my fucking ass. I thank heaven every day I no longer live there!
Brian Moloney
05-11-09, 08:30
the atitude of aw is because they have rights and can earn a good wage. the average aw does not have to rely on a man for support. thats the bottom line between aw and most women in other countries. besides making money there are facilities which are setup to help them, battered womans facilites, a welfare system, these all help women to not have to endure abuse from men that women in other countries do not have. if an aw has an abusive husband (be it mental or physical) she has recourse. most of the countries that guys here aspire to live in. the women have no recourse, if their family doesn't help. there is no facilities, and in most le won't get involved in marital affairs.
aw are more liberated by these things. it takes a man to have to deal with an aw, because they don't need a mans support to live a good life. an am knows his woman is with him because she wants to be not because she needs to be, for the most part.
this fucking crappola american women if they are with you, because they want to be, not because they have to be, because of money. well let me tell you lady (you must be a woman) i live in moscow its a wealthy city and the place is crawling with babes... everything is better.. in the women department even the working girls put 95% of the north american women to shame.. the russian women are not trying to compete with their man. they let a man be a man.. i am amazed obama hasnt given more money to organizations to build more batter womens shelters for women. what part of the english language you dont understand?? my english is not very good i admit or my grammar. but let me put it this way the best way i can.. more and more north american men are fed up.. fed up getting ass [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) in divorce court fed up with fat women fed up with attitude fed up with sex being used as a tool to get there own way i could go on and on.. so you can keep your orca winfrey ass park by the tv while you are eating potato chips drinking pepsi cola and devouring your 5 gallon bucket of haugen daz ice cream and write your theises report . yeah sister this is 1 male who seen the light 15 years ago. life is short, why waste your life with a north american woman?? like las vegas a roll of the dice, with your future earnings mental stability, self respect your dignity a north american woman can take all that away from a man. for me i would rather eat beef tenderloin in moscow than eat chuck steak in north america. its that simple really.
This fucking crappola American women if they are with you, because they want to be, Not because they have to be, because of money. Well let me tell you LADY (you must be a woman) I live in Moscow its a WEALTHY CITY and the PLACE is CRAWLING with BABES... Everything is BETTER.. In the women department even the working girls PUT 95% of the North american women to shame.. The Russian women are NOT TRYING to compete with their man. They let a MAN be a MAN..Brian,
I do not want to repeat, but again, what ThatGuy865 says about AW is kinda funny, since he is a big fun of Philipines an obviously the girls. I can understand guys who never go outside of USA, because their patriotism towards AW looks sincere since they stay faithful to AW.
I have a few examples to prove that foreign woman are not necessarily for money.
I have one GF in Moscow. She is a clothes designer. She has good salary and buys herself vacations and everything else she needs. Also believe it or not, after I complained her about my USA tax bill, she offered me $10, 000 to help to pay part of it. Also she is young (mid 20), beautiful, etc.
Another girl in Ukraine, she is a manager of a big entertainment complex. She bought a car, she goes to vacations too, she does not need your money, she does not need to date gringos or anybody else to support herself. BTW, she looks pretty hot I her 30 years. Many 20 y. O. AW wish they looked like her.
And another example from Colombia. Now I have one GF there, she is working in a financial institution. Obviously she does not need your money either. I have no idea how people here report that they can easily sleep on the first date with a so-called "non-pro" or "regular" girls. I guess they are really pick-up artists
I could only get into the pants (which was actually not my goal at all) of that chica after about 5-6 dates, and on my second visit after I met her first time.
I think most people when travel overseas have experiences with working girls and/or girls who make you think they are not working, or just sluts who sleep around with everybody. After that, no wonder, you get an impression that all foreign girls are after your money or they are sluts or prostitutes. And even though they are, the what is the difference, AW are ultimately for your money too, only for much more potentially.
How much would you pay for an engagement ring for your lovely AW fiance? I paid $200 for my ex wife's. She did not complain that I do not love her enough.
Member #4167
05-11-09, 16:26
I went to a large social in my city that had about 300-400 people ages 20-50. I noticed that 90% of the guys were thin, but only 50% of the girls were of normal weight. Less than 10% of the girls were pretty enough to want to date.I agree with you. America has definetly become a fat nation
Most white guys in American have given up on white girls and you see many of them dating Asians, Latins, etc.
I have a friend who is 5’10" and about a 9 on a 10 scale. He makes over 100K and still can’t get a girl friend. He has to date foreign women to even get any interest.
I do have a friend who is 47 who says all the women in their 40s are eager to fuck and claims he gets sex with most of them on the first to 3rd date. He says some are overweight. I haven’t seen these women so can’t attest to their quality, but I’m assuming it is very low. The only problem with these women is that they will hit menopause soon and many will have no sex drive soon.It would be interesting to see what the quality of these women are. Most women in their 40's are overweight. Your friend probably won't provide pictures, but he can get their stats. She would probably lie about her weight. He can ask them "just in case I might want to buy you an outfit someday, could you tell me your dress size? " dress size 4-6 and below is quite slender. Any dress size above a 10 is overweight.
Chocha Monger
05-12-09, 16:14
I still haven't heard anyone answer: Military MEN are well traveled, experienced with women all over the world. But the MAJORITY never marry those women and come back to the US and marry AW and NEVER go back to those so called great women. Why is that? Some marry foreigners, but the overall MAJORITY DO NOT.
There are a myriad of reasons why the majority of military guys don’t marry foreign. Some of these reasons are:
1. Military guys do not voluntarily choose to go to overseas in most cases. Where you end up is luck of the draw. Your primary reason for being in a foreign country is not the pussy. You probably didn’t want to be in that country in the first place and your recreational time may be restricted to base or limited by the conditions of an off base pass.
2. When overseas military guys establish a hierarchy on who they choose to fuck. Female service members come first because of familiarity and ease of access. You don’t need to fill out paperwork for a pass to go off base to fuck or to bring the female on base to fuck as you’d have to do with a foreign woman. You simply fuck her in the barracks whenever you can. However, the main reason for fucking female service members instead of foreigners is a false sense of security that comes from the fact that they’re tested every couple years for AIDS. I’ve seen STDs run through units like wild fire overseas because guys decided to bareback an infected female thinking that she was “safe.” In reality most STD cases in the military come from other service members and dependents not from foreign women as the movies would have you think. US service women love being overseas because they have a captive population of fit young guys to service their needs. I always chuckle when I recall one particularly hideous female who extended her tour abroad. After her extension was up she tried to extend again but her request was denied and she was forced to return to her home unit back in the US. She got a medal for her "dedication." Even the camp commanders knew her real reason for always extending was that she had monopolized the supply of Blackhawk pilot cock on base. She had no shame and fucked with her hooch door open. Passersby could look in on the action or join in on her gangbangs. The squadron routinely ran the train on her during weekends.
3. Most military members come from the poor white rural areas of America. I once met a hillbilly who was home schooled and had not met black or Hispanic people until he went to basic training. These guys are not going to take back dark skinned, slant eyed, or former communist block natives as brides to their parents.
4. Many service members do not speak the local language and that limits them to prostitutes and lower social class females in the host country.
5. The paperwork required to bring home a foreign bride is considered too tedious and demanding. Many military guys quickly change their minds about marrying a foreign girl after reading the affidavit of support making them liable for any public assistance used by their foreign bride up to ten years after entering the country. This obligation is not removed by divorce.
6. Commanders strongly discourage their troops from marrying foreign women.
7. Marrying a foreign woman can result in the downgrading or revocation of your security clearance if her background check flags her as a potential security risk. If a soldier’s military occupational specialty requires a top secret clearance this would be career suicide.
8. Many service members are married, engaged or divorced already and they are not looking for a wife abroad.
9. A small group of soldiers are career military and have no wish to marry or have children before retirement. Many of these guys later become expats in countries with a low cost of living and an abundant supply of young pussy.
10. A lot of military members feel superior to the natives of the host country and will not even stoop to having casual sex with them. They spend all of their free time on base or with other Americans waiting for a chance to take leave and visit stateside and for the end of their overseas tour.
Brian,
I do not want to repeat, but again, what ThatGuy865 says about AW is kinda funny, since he is a big fun of Philipines an obviously the girls. I can understand guys who never go outside of USA, because their patriotism towards AW looks sincere since they stay faithful to AW.
I live in PI and I am an advocate for American women. I moved out her because of a complex situation which I will not discuss on this board but I am still telling myself I should be in the west right now. I have probably been through more negative shit with American women than any of you but the theme on this board seems to be they are all fat, ugly, money hungry and mean. Which is so far from the truth it is ridiculous.
Why millionaires and highly successful American Men are not flocking to the Third world if it is so great?
As for ThatGuy I am not defending him but even if you do get regular sex in the States what if it is not enough. What if you are a sex addict (as I am and many of you in denial guys are on this forum). What if you need two and three girls at a time we all know this is hard to produce in the States. If you fall into this category then the third world is viable option for you.
I have a few examples to prove that foreign woman are not necessarily for money.
I have one GF in Moscow. She is a clothes designer. She has good salary and buys herself vacations and everything else she needs. Also believe it or not, after I complained her about my USA tax bill, she offered me $10, 000 to help to pay part of it. Also she is young (mid 20), beautiful, etc.....
Another girl in Ukraine, she is a manager of a big entertainment complex. She bought a car, she goes to vacations too, she does not need your money, she does not need to date gringos or anybody else to support herself. BTW, she looks pretty hot I her 30 years. Many 20 y. O. AW wish they looked like her.
And another example from Colombia. Now I have one GF there, she is working in a financial institution. Obviously she does not need your money either. I have no idea how people here report that they can easily sleep on the first date with a so-called "non-pro" or "regular" girls. I guess they are really pick-up artists
I could only get into the pants (which was actually not my goal at all) of that chica after about 5-6 dates, and on my second visit after I met her first time.
I think most people when travel overseas have experiences with working girls and/or girls who make you think they are not working, or just sluts who sleep around with everybody. After that, no wonder, you get an impression that all foreign girls are after your money or they are sluts or prostitutes. And even though they are, the what is the difference, AW are ultimately for your money too, only for much more potentially.
How much would you pay for an engagement ring for your lovely AW fiance? I paid $200 for my ex wife's. She did not complain that I do not love her enough.
I have been around all type of women from the third world(from Filipina Real estate tycoon to the lowest of the low bar girls) and they seem to display the same attitudes and attributes as AM. I don't have much experience with EE women but I do know SE Asian women and they are no different.
I can give you the similar examples from American women who got their shit together and don't have ask anyone for anything.. I work in various war zone bruh. I see many American women over here making money for themselves some cute some not so cute. There are good women in the States and bad women in the States same as everywhere else.
Only I have found Third world women more “willing” to settle for any foreign “Joe Blow” that comes along. American women are picky since when did that become a crime?
Brian Moloney
05-13-09, 05:46
I live in PI and I am an advocate for American women. I moved out her because of a complex situation which I will not discuss on this board but I am still telling myself I should be in the west right now. I have probably been through more negative shit with American women than any of you but the theme on this board seems to be they are all fat, ugly, money hungry and mean. Which is so far from the truth it is ridiculous.
Why millionaires and highly successful American Men are not flocking to the Third world if it is so great?
As for ThatGuy I am not defending him but even if you do get regular sex in the States what if it is not enough. What if you are a sex addict (as I am and many of you in denial guys are on this forum). What if you need two and three girls at a time we all know this is hard to produce in the States. If you fall into this category then the third world is viable option for you.
I have been around all type of women from the third world(from Filipina Real estate tycoon to the lowest of the low bar girls) and they seem to display the same attitudes and attributes as AM. I don't have much experience with EE women but I do know SE Asian women and they are no different.
I can give you the similar examples from American women who got their shit together and don't have ask anyone for anything.. I work in various war zone bruh. I see many American women over here making money for themselves some cute some not so cute. There are good women in the States and bad women in the States same as everywhere else.
Only I have found Third world women more “willing” to settle for any foreign “Joe Blow” that comes along. American women are picky since when did that become a crime?
Look Dude I to have TRAVEL to 6 continents I have dated every colour in the rainbow.. Still the BOTTOM line and its getting OLD here. IS attitude and American women have attitude in general. I have dated high school teachers and a few dentists and a few other professionals. Opposites attract they say.. All women say I am funny I make them laugh and for a guy with little education I have done well for myself financially, I LOVE Russian women the most.. The most passionate carring women I have had relations with, were Black women to be honest right here in North America.. I have seen for myself relationships couples from all over the world.. And STILL when I see a North American couple its always Yes dear No dear the BOSS is usually the North american woman. She wears the FUCKING PANTS!!!! I dont care HOW beautifull a North American woman is and there are a LOT.. But attitude I can NOT stand I am NOT a YES man ... So Please my friend you can HAVE all the North American women for yourself.. Take them to exotic places most American women have NOT seen or WANT to be, the KITCHEN a Henny Youngman joke.. but trying to get a North American woman to cook is like pulling TEETH with pliers. What I notice. In general. Keep watching Ophra and LEARN how to be a good YES MAN you will do fine.. If I never went to Russia And stay in North America I would DIE a OLD and LONELY man no doubt. Lonely but content and DIE a peacefull life with my DIGNITY.. And NOT penniles.
Brian Moloney
05-13-09, 06:59
I live in PI and I am an advocate for American women. I moved out her because of a complex situation which I will not discuss on this board but I am still telling myself I should be in the west right now. I have probably been through more negative shit with American women than any of you but the theme on this board seems to be they are all fat, ugly, money hungry and mean. Which is so far from the truth it is ridiculous.
Why millionaires and highly successful American Men are not flocking to the Third world if it is so great?
As for ThatGuy I am not defending him but even if you do get regular sex in the States what if it is not enough. What if you are a sex addict (as I am and many of you in denial guys are on this forum). What if you need two and three girls at a time we all know this is hard to produce in the States. If you fall into this category then the third world is viable option for you.
I have been around all type of women from the third world(from Filipina Real estate tycoon to the lowest of the low bar girls) and they seem to display the same attitudes and attributes as AM. I don't have much experience with EE women but I do know SE Asian women and they are no different.
I can give you the similar examples from American women who got their shit together and don't have ask anyone for anything.. I work in various war zone bruh. I see many American women over here making money for themselves some cute some not so cute. There are good women in the States and bad women in the States same as everywhere else.
Only I have found Third world women more “willing” to settle for any foreign “Joe Blow” that comes along. American women are picky since when did that become a crime?
All men think of SEX with WOMEN most of the time. Unless you are gay . A mans mission in Life is to GET SEX as much as possible.. Thats why we EARN MONEY BUY EXPENSIVE SHIT.. I WANT SEX I am already married.. I get all I want. But I still want SEX with different women.. Unless you are Married to Anjolina Jollie their are a few exceptions.. To get a girls attention it takes money like buying them drinks dinners etc.. But North American women WANT HORDES of money spent on them. and usually for medicore SEX..if you are LUCKY IF the FAT PIG thinks you are worthy. ha ha ha and you have to JUMP through HOOPS and shit. Foreign women you DONT have to TRY so hard and SPEND so much money and ass kiss Its JUST not worth the effort and money and aggravation. You got it figured out thats why you are in the Philipines. Slimer women cheaper prices and you dont have to jump through hoops. Your know Dummy. No flies on you Illogic.
DJ FourMoney
05-13-09, 08:51
I suppose 'they' is referring to Black ladies?????? ALL Black ladies?????
Are you from Mississippi? Alabama? 150 years ago????
Do you sincerely believe that an entire race of women think alike on one topic? Why do you believe that a Black woman would be more open about prostitution than a White woman??????
I guess you won't believe this but most Blacks in the US are more socially conservative than Whites! Especially the large religious element in the Black community is heavily against any decriminalization of prostitution. In fact, the higher rates of HIV in the Black community is attributed by some to the refusal of religious Blacks to even acknowledge, nevermind discuss, homosexuality in the Black community.
You seem to have some outdated ignorant beliefs, Marak. What other such statements do you have up your sleeve?
Outdated doesn't even come close, just plain ignorant...
You'll find just as many Black people being outspoken to Gay Marriage as any other group of people. The few that aren't are progressive and usually educated or Gay themselves...
HIV and the Church don't mix and its largely ignored as you said, a shame really.
DJ FourMoney
05-13-09, 09:49
well guys allow me to retort.
i'll start with dj as i have stated before
women do get paid less than men but only in the same job. a women lawyer will make more than a male teacher. a women executive will make more than a male postal worker. just like oprah is the richest woman in the world and makes more than most male t. v. host.
women in most countries where you guys are talk about are 3rd world countries, or even in a lot of the industrial countries the women do not have the opportunity to become top lawyers, executives, scientist. thats the point. so when you approach one of these women or a women who is in a career mode. she wants a guy who is of the same mindset. in most other countries they just want a man. because no matter what he will provide better than what she can for herself.
as for strippers, most(of course not all) professional men would not seriously date a stripper. a professional knows he would be shunned the first time they took her to a (company/or with other professional) social gathering so they are left mainly with the low end of society to date.
brian, i'm american and of course i would like to think the compliment was true. but for me, i would never believe anything a hooker said, when it comes to a race of people. and just as you guys complain about aw being fat, am are some of the fattest in the world also. i have a hard time believing that any culture/race has a total lock on any physical attribute. that is solely a personal view.
i still haven't heard anyone answer: military men are well traveled, experienced with women all over the world. but the majority never marry those women and come back to the us and marry aw and never go back to those so called great women. why is that? some marry foreigners, but the overall majority do not.
yogin,
our high mortality rate has nothing to do with us being 3rd worldess and more to do with capitalism. most other countries have universal health care. we in this country don't. didn't you hear all the outcry of socialism when the president even speaks of universal health care because it requires higher taxes, which american hate. the power that be would rather keep it privatized, therefore if you can't afford prenatal care. here you are s. o. l.
other countries with high speed rail is because we decided we would rather have a robuse highway system. american prefer to drive themselves instead of mass transportation. the president suggested improving amtrak and the was an outcry against it. why. again because it comes from taxes. and americans hate to pay taxes.
as for violence, i only stated that because it goes to the high divorce rate. and i stated mental and physical abuse. see here you start verbally degrading your woman, she has the funds and can find facilities which will supply her with a place to stay and food until she can find her own. most other countries don't, especially those that you guys are talking about the great women.
the bottom line is aw don't have to put up with any shit at all. so they grow up much more independent than women in other countries.
didn't mean to write so much but wanted to address all.
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i know quite a few bruthas married or dating european born and raised women.
most of them tend to be german. a few are even russian and one brazilian that i know of.
only one german is dating a american servicemen. i know germans that were married to american servicemen.
was that "the grass was greener" scenario or culture clashing? according to my one sided story access, it seems culture clash was responsible for both marriages to end.
let me be clear about something. american women, with our mix of races in this country are the most beautiful bar none, we have not be sending our best to ms world or ms universe pageants because most women with common sense wouldn't be involved in that lifestyle. our current miss california carrie prejean wasn't even the best looking girl at the ms california pageant and i see better looking women than her on a constant basis! (living in los angeles, i think she's from san diego)
however since the late 1960's the game has changed, rolls have either changed or been reversed and its no longer to a man's advantage if your an average joe like many of us here.
the sexually revolution didn't fully do its job because too many women here are far too concerned about public opinion. most girls won't fuck on the first date, not because they don't want too (provided you have game) but because in the court of public opinion, you would be labeled a hoe in doing so.
these are just some of the factors that make its near impossible for the average moron to date successfully.
you said aw aren't that bad as we make them out to be. i would say some of the rhetoric is a bit over the top around here at times, but usually its spot on. i never accused a majority of aw being fat and i wouldn't agree with that. i will say however, that obesity is an american problem and we have more than our fair share of women hovering above 200lbs. hell, i was in a title office today and 3 out of the 4 women in the office were at least 190lbs... in jobs and careers where body imagine is important, you see many more thin people, but at what cost? bulimia and other eating disorders are very commonplace. to make matters worst, there is a segment of culture that wants fat people to be protected by the same laws that protect other minority. unlike, skin color or race or even being handicap being fat for a majority is correctable if you just back away from the dinner table, the lunch counter and eat a sensible breakfast....
this is where i think we can all agree that drinking a diet coke along with your two double whoppers, large fry and apple pie somehow won't help you at all.
but as many have said, the less than stellar now believe they allowed to go after what usually is reserved for seriously attractive women. that out of wack line thinking means for many men in america, your dating less than ideal talent.
there are many men on this forum that are over 30 and i think we would all agree that once you have reached about 28, most of the women you come into contact with have at least one child from a previous relationship if not more.
is that some sort of advantage or is that is a product of our high divorce rate???
the reason, i like women overseas is some of the negatives tend to be less then negatives here. i can find women over 30 that have never been married and have no children. in america, many feel if your a woman and never married by age 30, something is wrong with you and they are usually right.
of the european women i know, many have chosen not to have children until they are married. this is not because they have a better understanding of sex than we do, its just socially acceptable to use protection.
to date in america, i usually have to go after "easy targets". when your talking over 28, that means single mothers... i rather not.
the rest of them.... they don't give me the time of day usually, it doesn't bother me i have too many distractions to be bothered by it. though it would be nice to not spend nights constantly alone, but its just not worth the trouble...
DJ FourMoney
05-13-09, 10:05
Oh I would also say, that many Americans don't like taxes (I'll keep it short)
Because the Republican Party has proven when the Middle Class does most of the heavy lifting when it comes to taxes, your taxes aren't being put to use to serve you.
Its was spent on Military Intervention (Korea, Nam, Contra, Mujhadin, I could go on...)
Star Wars..... and all the references to Darth Cheney included
Corporate Welfare (do I really have to explain that???)
Those are NOT your tax dollars at WORK for you as many of the 50's Goverment or US History Classes films about Government would have you think.
We have removed much talk of Government from lower education school, many 20's something and 30 somethings are anti-tax and anti-Union for troubling reasons not based on anything close to common sense and of course the final nail is the LACK of critical thinking overall.
The Armed Forces have Single Payer Health Care, maybe we should tie National Health Care to Civil or Military Service???? That might shut up some of the anti-Single Payer Crowd in BOTH PARTIES.
NicFrenchy
05-13-09, 10:21
being FAT for a majority is CORRECTABLE if you just BACK AWAY FROM THE DINNER TABLE, THE LUNCH COUNTER and eat a sensible Breakfast....
This is where I think we can all agree that drinking a Diet Coke along with your two Double Whoppers, Large Fry and Apple Pie somehow won't help you at all.
Well, you tackle 2 difficult subjects here:
1. I am convinced the so called "fresh" ingredients or produce aren't as healthy in the US as they are in Europe. Most Europeans have embraced organic foods as opposed to processed foods.
And I'm not even talking about portion sizes :(
2. I believe America still allows the use of Hydrogenated oils? (banned in a lot of European countries). these are PURE EVIL for your body.
The "diet coke" story in the fast food joints isn't necessarily related to healthyness but could also be a question of taste. I also laugh when people order a salad at MacDonnalds not knowing most of them contain as much sugar & Calories as in a burger.
Best thing you can do to your body is to eat organic (non processed) foods.
Yep, can't disagree with you on the points you make....So true you are.
Well, you tackle 2 difficult subjects here:
1. I am convinced the so called "fresh" ingredients or produce aren't as healthy in the US as they are in Europe. Most Europeans have embraced organic foods as opposed to processed foods.
And I'm not even talking about portion sizes :(
2. I believe America still allows the use of Hydrogenated oils? (banned in a lot of European countries). these are PURE EVIL for your body.
The "diet coke" story in the fast food joints isn't necessarily related to healthyness but could also be a question of taste. I also laugh when people order a salad at MacDonnalds not knowing most of them contain as much sugar & Calories as in a burger.
Best thing you can do to your body is to eat organic (non processed) foods.
Let me be clear about something. American Women, with our mix of races in this country are the most beautiful bar none,
I beg to disagree, have you been across the Northern border to Montreal, Quebec?
Chocha Monger
05-13-09, 22:10
We can hold this truth to be self evident. All women trade sex for men's hard earned possessions, status, protection, companionship and genetic material. Love is the feeling of euphoria that springs from having access to these things. Women use sex as currency and men use currency for sex.
Prostitutes are simply women who can make the trade without identifying their sense of satisfaction as love.
Women get the best deal because they can enjoy sex and currency. American women differ from other women because they usually want all of the man's hard earned possessions in return for little or no sex. Their sex tends to be over valued compared to that of women in other countries. Their customer service skills leave much to be desired. These factors make them unable to compete in the global market much like the big three American auto-makers.
Brian Moloney
05-13-09, 22:15
We can hold this truth to be self evident. All women trade sex for men's hard earned possessions, status, protection, companionship and genetic material. Love is the feeling of euphoria that springs from having access to these things. Women use sex as currency and men use currency for sex.
Prostitutes are simply women who can make the trade without identifying their sense of satisfaction as love.
Women get the best deal because they can enjoy sex and currency. American women differ from other women because they usually want all of the man's hard earned possessions in return for little or no sex. Their sex tends to be over valued compared to that of women in other countries. Their customer service skills leave much to be desired. These factors make them unable to compete in the global market much like the big three American auto-makers.
That was as they say "Priceless" Spoken TRUTH!!!!!!!
ThatGuy865
05-14-09, 01:49
well 2 million plus guys get married every year in america. so there are a lot of guys who think aw with their attitude and sexual appetites are quite fine.
to me there is no such thing as one countries women being better than another. it all comes down to each individual women.
yeah foreign women are easier, because in just about all foreign countries an am is a premium catch. thats the bottom line. am can go to any foreign country and meet women easy. you don't have to speak the language, which shows you how much women won't to be with am. thats because they know if they can get you in a serious relationship their lives will become much better.
it doesn't matter what an am looks like in any foreign country he will get laid. why? because he is the donald trump in their country. you guys are fooling yourselfs if you think the women are different. they just don't have the options or given the ability to the upward mobility of aw.
the fact that some aw don't screw a guy at the drop of a hat, has been mainly a result of men calling easy women hoes, sluts, and degrading them. a lot of am would never marry a girl with a reputation of being a hoe, or ****, especially if widely known by their peers. so some aw don't want that reputation, but there are also a lot who do have 1 night stands. i know cause i and my friends have all had them. you don't think all those babes on spring break are just laying on the beach.
if you like foreign women. more power to you. of course they are easier. if you prefer them. great. have at them.
its foolish to think that because i go to the pi. that i shouldn't/couldn't like aw. when i say i've been going for 20 yrs. doesn't mean thats the only place i go and that i go every single year. i've been to central america, south america, sea, europe, canada, caribbean, etc, etc, . i make a good living and like to travel. but i still love aw. a person can like to travel and meet women in other countries and still like aw. its not a only like one or the other.
i like women. and don't limit myself to any one race or nationality.
DJ FourMoney
05-14-09, 04:11
Well, you tackle 2 difficult subjects here:
1. I am convinced the so called "fresh" ingredients or produce aren't as healthy in the US as they are in Europe. Most Europeans have embraced organic foods as opposed to processed foods.
And I'm not even talking about portion sizes :(
2. I believe America still allows the use of Hydrogenated oils? (banned in a lot of European countries). these are PURE EVIL for your body.
The "diet coke" story in the fast food joints isn't necessarily related to healthyness but could also be a question of taste. I also laugh when people order a salad at MacDonnalds not knowing most of them contain as much sugar & Calories as in a burger.
Best thing you can do to your body is to eat organic (non processed) foods.
I couldn't agree more and talking about the Food Industry in America would be totally off topic, but it safe to say Monsanto doesn't support your line of thinking....
DJ FourMoney
05-14-09, 04:13
I beg to disagree, have you been across the Northern border to Montreal, Quebec?
Yes... Wasn't that impressed. There are attractive Canadians to be sure. But we have a wide range of races here and I'm talking about overall looks not just facial appearance.
Cloud Palms
05-14-09, 05:35
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10239610-93.html
Well the powers that be got rid of the popular erotic services section of craigslist. I've never tried it but I doubt it was worth it anyway. But for some guys that dont know about overseas that was their only outlet for play.
Although getting rid of it, those same guys who loooove american women will look to travel overseas for their fun instead.
ThatGuy865
05-14-09, 06:14
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10239610-93.html
Well the powers that be got rid of the popular erotic services section of craigslist. I've never tried it but I doubt it was worth it anyway. But for some guys that dont know about overseas that was their only outlet for play.
Although getting rid of it, those same guys who loooove american women will look to travel overseas for their fun instead.Man are you kidding. Escorts were advertising and around long before craigslist. Every city has a local paper that they advertise in and all are on the net.craigslist just happen to be the biggest because it was national/international and not just local.
There will never be a mass exodus of guys going out of the country to meet women.
Americans in general want things our way, we don't change for the world. They should change to accomodate us. We expect a foreign country to have food we are accustom to eating, speak enough english to make us comfortable, and accomodation that are up to our standards in every aspect. Even if the women are fine and treat you great. And there arent too many places that can meet those expectations.
Most americans love america, women included. Period.
Clandestine782
05-14-09, 12:53
Oh I would also say, that many Americans don't like taxes (I'll keep it short)
Because the Republican Party has proven when the Middle Class does most of the heavy lifting when it comes to taxes, your taxes aren't being put to use to serve you. You aren't telling that quite right. Most taxes are paid by people in the upper income brackets. Something like 87% of all taxes are paid by people with incomes in the top quintile.
Its was spent on Military Intervention (Korea, Nam, Contra, Mujhadin, I could go on...)
Star Wars..... and all the references to Darth Cheney included
Corporate Welfare (do I really have to explain that???)The military is not the biggest federal expenditure. Something like 2/3 of the budget goes on Social Security and medicare. The medicare thing is doubly embarrassing, because: Health care inflation is always some multiple of general inflation. There is no logical reason that government should be stepping in to pay more for something than is necessary-- especially when the only reason for the inflated prices is myriad government restrictions on who can bring what to market.
Those are NOT your tax dollars at WORK for you as many of the 50's Goverment or US History Classes films about Government would have you think.
We have removed much talk of Government from lower education school, many 20's something and 30 somethings are anti-tax and anti-Union for troubling reasons not based on anything close to common sense and of course the final nail is the LACK of critical thinking overall.Anti-union is no problem. If you actually PAY ATTENTION to what happens in real life (and not what some intellectual somewhere is babbling about as an abstract possibility) they you would notice that: Employment is LOWER in places where unions get their way. Securing benefits for their members is only 1/2 of the story. The other 1/2 is: Limiting competiton and keeping the union small enough so as to not be unwieldy. If you try to talk to any electricians' union or pipefitters' union, you will be told something like: "We are not accepting applications for apprentices/ helpers at this time" and/ or "We only accept applications once a month." So, you get to be an apprentice for, like, four fucking years and THEN you can make as much as someone else who has been through the process. But looking at what happened in Michigan (my home state): I would say that the unions have been the cause of that damage (by pricing themselves out of a job).
The Armed Forces have Single Payer Health Care, maybe we should tie National Health Care to Civil or Military Service???? That might shut up some of the anti-Single Payer Crowd in BOTH PARTIES.In what way? Specifics?
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