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Cloud Palms
05-15-09, 02:19
Man are you kidding. Escorts were advertising and around long before craigslist. Every city has a local paper that they advertise in and all are on the net.craigslist just happen to be the biggest because it was national/international and not just local.
Point taken, craiglist was popular and there are other outlets locally, though my point is that another outlet is international travel and those who were former craiglisters may explore that option.
There will never be a mass exodus of guys going out of the country to meet women.
Not sure what you mean by "mass" exodus but there is a percentage right now and I am sure most will agree that it will grow. I dont need to point out that evidence because youre on this site enough to see yourself. Its probably not a majority of guys but eventually the quality women here will price themselves out of the market and more men will look to outsource. Again, more men not mass. I know I know, men should grow a bigger pair of "balls" then to get these women but for some they have other options and would rather not use the effort over here for whatever reason. For those that dont, hope they deal with it somehow.
Americans in general want things our way, we don't change for the world. They should change to accomodate us. We expect a foreign country to have food we are accustom to eating, speak enough english to make us comfortable, and accomodation that are up to our standards in every aspect. Even if the women are fine and treat you great. And there arent too many places that can meet those expectations.
Wow perfect example right there on why Americans are detested in many parts of the world. No comment needed except best of luck with that in the 21st century.
Most americans love america, women included. Period.
Thats great to know but loving or not loving America isnt the topic here. You can love America but not its women, or had enough bad experiences with American women so you generalize knowing you may be filtering out some good ones. Its a risk I bet lots more are willing to take.
ThatGuy865
05-15-09, 12:13
Its probably not a majority of guys but eventually the quality women here will price themselves out of the market and more men will look to outsource. Again, more men not mass.Right now, with the bad economy AROUND THE WORLD. Fewer guys who ALREADY were traveling for women has dropped. Right now you its less not more. Besides, when you include the price of flight, hotel, etc etc. Going out of the country is not really a bargain.
Why do you think Cruises are so popular, because all the accomodations are westernized, You can visit places and not have to make any concessions or deal with any of the cultural differences of those countries I. E food, do they have hot showers like we like, sanitized water, etc etc.
Prices will never get high enough to make guys who monger locally look to foreign women JUST because of PRICE. You have to like to travel, experience different cultures, food, attitudes and thats just not the way a lot of Americans are. Especially to countries that don't speak english.
Wow perfect example right there on why Americans are detested in many parts of the world. No comment needed except best of luck with that in the 21st century.Good, bad, it is what it is. And its the american attitude and until something dramatic happens, it will be that way for a long time to come.
Chocha Monger
05-15-09, 15:55
Admirers of American women will love this website http://www.adultsheepfinder.com/index.html
Good, bad, it is what it is. And its the american attitude and until something dramatic happens, it will be that way for a long time to come.
IMHO, it will happen a lot sooner than you think. Short term, I expect export reliant countries such as Japan, China, Singapore, Taiwan, Germany etc to get shafted royally, this will result in a short term strengthening of the U.S. dollar. In the medium to long term future you can expect a complete destruction of the value of the U.S. currency through U.S. debt monetizing (printing)........the end of the dollar as the World Reserve currency. It's clear to me the Chinese Yuan, or at the very least a basket of currencies WILL become the NEXT world reserve currency.
Jelly Donut
05-16-09, 17:42
In the medium to long term future you can expect a complete destruction of the value of the U.S. currency through U.S. debt monetizing (printing).........
"Long run is a misleading guide to current affairs. In the long run we are all dead."
John Maynard Keynes (1883–1946), British economist
Big Johnson2
05-16-09, 19:09
Yeah foreign women are easier, because in just about ALL foreign countries an AM is a premium catch. Thats the bottom line. AM can go to any foreign country and meet women easy. You don't have to speak the language, which shows you how much women won't to be with AM. Thats because they know if they can get you in a serious relationship their lives will become much better.
It doesn't matter what an AM looks like in any Foreign country he will get laid. WHY? Because he is the Donald Trump in their country. You guys are fooling yourselfs if you think the women are different. They just don't have the options or given the ability to the upward mobility of AW.
The more I read your posts, the more I think you are a woman or you just say things to get a response. One thing is for sure you haven't traveled to many of these countries and don't have the experience or else you wouldn't say these things.
American Men are NOT highly desired in ALL countries. AM are actually probably not liked as well as the locals in most or ALL Western Europe. In many Eastern European countries the same is true. My friends I have worked or traveled in most European countries. Girls in Italy, Switzerland couldn't care less about dating an American man. You probably won't even get a date. They don't need your money. Even in the Ukraine I was told by one friend, 26 and pretty, the hierarchy of who they wanted to date:
1. Rich Ukrainian
2. Poor Ukrainian
3. Rich American.
Now another friend who has 3 children told me she'd take a rich American before a Poor Ukrainian.
Most foreign women in Eastern and for sure Western Europe do NOT want to come to the USA. They want to stay in their country. The Russian dating sites are 90% scams. If you're a loser in the USA, going to E. Europe, and for sure W. Europe, you will not get a girl. In Russia you will get used.
Who told you an American can get any girl? This is crazy! As they would say you're just "talking out your arse!"
Please make sure you post a copy of your Women's Studies Thesis here on the site. Maybe we could review the drafts for you too!
"Long run is a misleading guide to current affairs. In the long run we are all dead."
John Maynard Keynes (1883–1946), British economist
FYI.....I stated in the medium to long term we are FUCKED.
well 2 million plus guys get married every year in america. so there are a lot of guys who think aw with their attitude and sexual appetites are quite fine.
to me there is no such thing as one countries women being better than another. it all comes down to each individual women.
yeah foreign women are easier, because in just about all foreign countries an am is a premium catch. thats the bottom line. am can go to any foreign country and meet women easy. you don't have to speak the language, which shows you how much women won't to be with am. thats because they know if they can get you in a serious relationship their lives will become much better.
it doesn't matter what an am looks like in any foreign country he will get laid. why? because he is the donald trump in their country. you guys are fooling yourselfs if you think the women are different. they just don't have the options or given the ability to the upward mobility of aw.
the fact that some aw don't screw a guy at the drop of a hat, has been mainly a result of men calling easy women hoes, sluts, and degrading them. a lot of am would never marry a girl with a reputation of being a hoe, or ****, especially if widely known by their peers. so some aw don't want that reputation, but there are also a lot who do have 1 night stands. i know cause i and my friends have all had them. you don't think all those babes on spring break are just laying on the beach.
if you like foreign women. more power to you. of course they are easier. if you prefer them. great. have at them.
its foolish to think that because i go to the pi. that i shouldn't/couldn't like aw. when i say i've been going for 20 yrs. doesn't mean thats the only place i go and that i go every single year. i've been to central america, south america, sea, europe, canada, caribbean, etc, etc, . i make a good living and like to travel. but i still love aw. a person can like to travel and meet women in other countries and still like aw. its not a only like one or the other.
i like women. and don't limit myself to any one race or nationality.
foreign poor women are easy to attract same as poor american women. in the land of the poor the man with one $1.00 is king.
DJ FourMoney
05-17-09, 13:38
Single, Good Looking Women have high value in any market.
Single, Average Looking women with children from a previous relationship has less value in any market, some more than others.
But to put that in perspective -
I would say the chances of me fucking somebody within 3 days outside of America is about umm 90%. I would say it down to about 50-50 in North America. This is even for the "studs" out there, they are NOT getting layed everytime out like they would have you think.
I think there's something fishy about ThatGuy too, its Pro-America at a time when America has no moral, social or cultural high ground to stand on. We have higher unemployment, terrible social safety net, high productivity, low wages, very little vacation time, spend most of our lives in grid lock traffic, etc, etc, etc.
Carrie Prejean and Bristol Palin are current "High Water" marks.
There are many examples of fixing the banking crisis, we decided the prop up the banks, to the dismay of not only liberal, but right wing economists. There is now documented PROOF that big health care and the financial services sector own our government, lock, stock and barrel.
Stop touting America as being the best place to be since sliced bread. Its almost at circling the drain point.
It is interesting how this thread seems to alternate between american women and american politics, and how a convergence of the two has almost taken place. What has disappointed me in recent years is how much incredible power the media seems to have, and how that has especially affected the perception american women have (and canadian women too), about what is reality and what is available. In the past, up to the 90's, I certainly noticed for myself that getting dates was not particularly difficult, and wound up in a long term relationship When it ended, getting any kind of date seemed impossible. The expectations of women has grown exponentially, I feel mainly due to the endless media circus of models, Oprah, actresses all stating how 'you can get everything you want', leading to both an egocentric view of america and especially of and by american women. Just yesterday, an economist pronounced what is going on with the bailouts absolutely insane, and a crash will occur in a few months. I disagree, believing we will be heading into a hyperinflation in the next few years, you can't print money like this without ramifications. It will be interesting to see the attitude of americans as their currency sinks to zero.
Yeah foreign women are easier, because in just about ALL foreign countries an AM is a premium catch. Thats the bottom line. AM can go to any foreign country and meet women easy. You don't have to speak the language, which shows you how much women won't to be with AM. Thats because they know if they can get you in a serious relationship their lives will become much better.
It doesn't matter what an AM looks like in any Foreign country he will get laid. WHY? Because he is the Donald Trump in their country. You guys are fooling yourselfs if you think the women are different. They just don't have the options or given the ability to the upward mobility of AW.You are talking only about AM, that they complain too much, and it's their problem that they have problems with AW.
Well, another perspective. I'm not American. Also many men from where I'm from go to other countries and meet girls, many of them like Asian, Latin girls but in general we prefer our own women.
But I never heard anything positive about AW from guys for my country. My my friends who had relationships with AW have ended them, some are real disasters(with kids involved).
Is it just a coincidence?
Single, Good Looking Women have high value in any market.
That's very true. I don't now where some guys get this idea that every foreign woman wants them.
There are many hot foreign chics, an average gringo has no chance with them in case he thinks she wants him for money.
I would say the chances of me fucking somebody within 3 days outside of America is about umm 90%. I would say it down to about 50-50 in North America. This is even for the "studs" out there, they are NOT getting layed everytime out like they would have you think.I guess everybody has their own criterias. For me it's not the most important how fast you can score. But with whom and how you feel being with her.
If just for fucking, the best is to get known nice prostitutes, from my experience prostitutes are better than "regular" girls. Why spend dates with regulars if you know that they are probably bad in bed and you're gonna dump them soon anyway.
For a "relationship" I have no problems spending a lot of time/money with a nice girl who does not fuck around.
In USA I've sen the worst of all options.
- It is really difficult to score(for many reasons,m it's not even the girls fault in many cases!) Its difficult to get a date since everybody is so busy there,
- If you finally score the fuck quality is usually bad.
- If you continue the relationship it's not worth anyway. With all the bullshit. And if the girl gets pregnant your life can be ruined for really awhile. I have one friend, he thought he was lucky he got into relationship with such a nice fine AW.. Actually she looked and behaved really good compare to other AW. Everybody though the guy is so lucky to meet this girl. The relationship ended with a kid and a disaster. Now she rules everything, takes money from him (as its for the kid), but in reality she parties a lot, He also has also to bargain with her when he could see the kid.
Clandestine782
05-17-09, 19:58
IMHO, it will happen a lot sooner than you think. Short term, I expect export reliant countries such as Japan, China, Singapore, Taiwan, Germany etc to get shafted royally, this will result in a short term strengthening of the U.S. dollar. In the medium to long term future you can expect a complete destruction of the value of the U.S. currency through U.S. debt monetizing (printing)........the end of the dollar as the World Reserve currency. It's clear to me the Chinese Yuan, or at the very least a basket of currencies WILL become the NEXT world reserve currency.Chinese Yuan as reserve currency? I don't think that will happen any time soon......if ever. Remeber that in order for people to be able to hold enough of your currency, there has to be a trade that results in more currency outside of a country than inside? (China has a trade surplus, and so there are always more yuan staying inside the country than going out.) And in order for this to happen, you have to have a lot of consumption (specifically, investment in excess of savings). China's savings rate has been very high for a LONG TIME (there is no social welfare net here) and it will probably continue to be.
I don't know where people get all these ideas about this or that currency taking over the world. Do you know that the CFA Franc has been in existence for a couple of decades? And you can't GIVE away CFA Francs. Shouldn't the Euro already have displaced the dollar by now? And wouldn't it likely be the candidate since the EuroZone economy's size is a multiple of the Chinese?
You aren't telling that quite right. Most taxes are paid by people in the upper income brackets. Something like 87% of all taxes are paid by people with incomes in the top quintile.
Does that number consider all taxes or just income taxes? Because while income taxation is progressive, other taxes such as sales taxes, vehicle registration fees, professional license fees, and so forth, are regressive.
Chinese Yuan as reserve currency? I don't think that will happen any time soon......if ever. Remeber that in order for people to be able to hold enough of your currency, there has to be a trade that results in more currency outside of a country than inside? (China has a trade surplus, and so there are always more yuan staying inside the country than going out.) And in order for this to happen, you have to have a lot of consumption (specifically, investment in excess of savings). China's savings rate has been very high for a LONG TIME (there is no social welfare net here) and it will probably continue to be.
I don't know where people get all these ideas about this or that currency taking over the world. Do you know that the CFA Franc has been in existence for a couple of decades? And you can't GIVE away CFA Francs. Shouldn't the Euro already have displaced the dollar by now? And wouldn't it likely be the candidate since the EuroZone economy's size is a multiple of the Chinese?
....and you think the U.S. Dollar will continue to remain the Reserve currency. I doubt it.
Brian Moloney
05-18-09, 00:17
Foreign poor women are easy to attract same as poor American women. In the land of the poor the man with one $1.00 is king.
Dude or woman ? My good man, you can HAVE ALL the American women for yourself.. Be my guest. You like DARK SKIN WOMEN. thats your BAG.. good for you. Thats WHY you are in the Phillipines. (CHEAP POOR COUNTRY) So you have the BEST of 2 worlds. FAT (in general American wome) bad attitude to boot. and poor Phillipine women.. I LOVE the THUROUGHBREDS my self. As the demi God (SHANKER) wrote in these thresds. The great thing about Moscow, is that its E X P E N S I V E !!!!!!!!!! .. Majorly.. The winds of slavic pussy.. I consider I have the BEST of the WORLD!!! WHY????? Because its soooooooooo expensive in Moscow, theres NOT many tourists, That means MORE thuroughbreds for me.. So I am happy YOU found your IDAHO...Just as I have found mine.. I WISH every member on this ISG all the best in finding there private Idaho..
Just to get this back on track, I was in a bar in Buenos Aires yesterday with an American male friend and an Argentinean female friend. Two AWs walked in who were studying Spanish here. I hope they have better luck with Spanish than with English because they like totally could not, like, totally, like get through like an entire like, um, SENtence? without like totally like talking this way. And, of course, talking very loudly. It was, like, you know, well, like totally BOgus? Like, whatEVer. There were two guys with them, who I think were American as well but it was impossible to say since they never got a word in edgewise.
I don't know about you guys but I like, totally, um, don't want to have to, like, go back there.
Clandestine782
05-18-09, 06:32
....and you think the U.S. Dollar will continue to remain the Reserve currency. I doubt it.
1. So if it isn't the reserve currency, then what happens? (There are lots of other countries that get by just fine without reserve status.) If you are going to say that the US can't print sovereign debt, then that might turn out to be a good thing. The first step down the road to hell is someone spending someone else's money to buy votes.
2. If there is going to be a reserve currency, then which is more likely? A currency that is backed by an economy that is large and willing to run the trade deficits necessary to create a currency (US) or a country that has an economy that is much smaller (we don't know how big it is, since the government's statistics don't have much credibility) and not willing to run the trade deficits (owing to savings much in excess of investment)?
Bango Cheito
05-18-09, 06:53
I have to say honestly, being a foreigner here in Colombia works FOR you in the short term if you just want to get laid, but works AGAINST you in the LONG term in terms of people being suspicious of your bona fides etc. If you think the average Colombian girl is jumping to introduce a foreigner to her family you are OUT OF YOUR MIND. For that matter I don't think too many Colombian girls are overly eager to introduce to the world their bf with more than 10 years age difference either!
As for sex on the first date, it's not any more common here than it is anywhere else in the world IMO. In most cases you are waiting till the 3rd and 4th date.
And maybe I'm just lucky but I don't run across ANY interesadas in my adventures here. As a matter of fact, there's one girl I'm crazy about, we've only been out twice, haven't gone past 1st base, and she's a starving university student. The last time SHE paid more than I did for the booze and it was her BIRTHDAY. Oh, and she's not really sure if we have any future at all because I'm too old for her :P
The only other thing I have to add is that if you think women in the USA are better looking than women here, you really need to get your eyes or your head examined, or BOTH. I don't see how ANY reasonable person could say that.
The only other thing I have to add is that if you think women in the USA are better looking than women here, you really need to get your eyes or your head examined, or BOTH. I don't see how ANY reasonable person could say that.I think everybody has it's own taste. Sometimes here people post picture of average girls but call them 9"s or 8"s.
If you talk about places like New York City than those women are probably better looking than in Colombia. But for the rest of the country (smaller cities, villages) I would say girls in Colombia look much better on average. Of course if fat-ass/butt-ugly face etc. Is more beautiful for somebody, than USA has more of them for sure. And we're talking only about the looks, not the attitude.
1. So if it isn't the reserve currency, then what happens? (There are lots of other countries that get by just fine without reserve status.) If you are going to say that the US can't print sovereign debt, then that might turn out to be a good thing. The first step down the road to hell is someone spending someone else's money to buy votes.
Short answer......we are FUCKED royally in the medium term. China and Japan both own about $3 Trillion of our debt through their purchases of long term U.S.Treasuries. Why would anyone in their right mind want to own our debt if Bernanke is hell bent on destroying the U.S.Dollar? When - NOT if - China and Japan stop buying our Treasuries, you can bet interest rates are going to rise dramatically.....you can [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) away any hope of a U.S. recovery any time soon.
Here's a guarantee you can take to the Bank....the U.S. standard of living is going to fall dramatically.
2. If there is going to be a reserve currency, then which is more likely? A currency that is backed by an economy that is large and willing to run the trade deficits necessary to create a currency (US) or a country that has an economy that is much smaller (we don't know how big it is, since the government's statistics don't have much credibility) and not willing to run the trade deficits (owing to savings much in excess of investment)?
U.S growth over the past 8 -10 years has been a mirage, fueled by easy access to cheap money borrowed from China and Japan. Almost all our U.S. manufacturing sector has been outsourced to other regions of the world. During this 8-10 year period our Financial services sector has grown exponentially, producing and selling securitized TOXIC ASSETS all over the world. It is these TOXIC ASSETS that are threatening to, and WILL, destroy our entire Global Financial system.
Now enough of this financial stuff, let's get back to finding that sweet nectar that we all so LOVE.
i have a friend visiting me here from the us. good friend, went to college together, known each other for 17 years, traveled together several times before. he had been telling me how his aw (second) wife had "drained him psychologically" and "broken him like a horse." i've been trying to get him down here for years (i've met his wife and she is a horrible person, ugly to boot, and according to him does not like sex).
he married this woman, took in her daughter from a previous marriage, paid to move her horses (and dogs and cats) from several time zones away, and etc. he is well-educated, white-collar professional, not fat, considerate, good cook, etc. she is a high school dropout, chronically unemployed, and just flat nasty.
finally he gets laid off and comes down here and i start showing him around. "you like this woman?" i ask. "oh yeah" he says. "i can arrange it." "what do i have to do?" "fuck her, give her fifty dollars, and send her out the door." "but what about this and that and this and that and the other thing?" "forget all that."
i took him to five places the first day and four the second. he finally picked someone, and he couldn't fuck her. why? "she was too aggressive." "wtf does that mean?" "the minute we got in the room she pulled my dick out and started sucking it." "and that is a problem because?"
long pause.
"i need some connection." ok. so i send a personal friend to his house. she is fully equipped, tall, natural tits, no tats or piercings, just what he asked for. speaks just a little english, too, enough for a conversation. i further equipped her with pizza and beer. i sent her right to the door of the comfortable furnished apartment i had arranged for him, which i had stocked with coffee, snacks, beverages, condoms, marijuana, viagra, ambien, xanax, several custom music cds, and so forth.
he calls me up, "what should i do?" "whatever you want. she will do whatever you want." "what do you mean, 'whatever i want'"? "dude, i don't know what you want and i don't want or need to know the details but unless you want to shit on her or hurt her, she is game."
he couldn't fuck her. "why?" "i am just not used to women giving me what i want." yeah, because you are used to american women!
finally i lured him to my apartment where i had another friend waiting who was not the type he requested. she was short and dark and a bit older (32 and he is 50). i told her, "will you please [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) this fucker because i can't listen to his bullshit any more." she agreed to this. he came over, i introduced them, and i said i had to go to the store and would be back "shortly" whereas i had already told my lady friend i would not come back for at least two hours.
so now he is looking for a good divorce lawyer. probably i cost him a lot of money in the short- to mid-term but on the other hand i saved his motherfucking life. but what are friends for?
Member #4214
05-19-09, 04:19
I have a friend visiting me here from the US ...
Sad story. Once upon a time, a long time ago, that guy could very well have been me - or most any one of us I'm sure. The conditioning is powerful ...
Illogic, where I live (Argentina) is not the Third World. Finding a "rewarding relationship" here is not like finding Bin Laden. It is like finding a turd in an outhouse. Your response is flat out ignorant. Now, my friend was only here for about ten days so that is a different thing. Plus, he is (extremely unhappily) married so he did not come down here looking for a relationship. He came down here looking for sexual relief. He was so pussy-whipped due to brainwash he could not even comfortably get that at first. When he finally did, the light came on. My friend I hooked him up with is not looking for a relationship either. He had a hard time believing that at first: "Doesn't she want to quit being a free lance prostitute and settle down with one guy?"
No, she does not. She likes variety and does not like commitment. She likes living alone and having the freedom to do as she chooses. She likes setting her own hours and working as much or as little as she chooses (he is a workaholic, or was!) He is still wrapping his mind around that but now he knows he has choices and the choice he is leaning towards making is dumping his useless, asexual, ugly, bitchy, AW. He's a prime candidate on the job market and now he knows he has international options. Plus now he knows that not all countries are full of bitchy hags.
I'm familiar with Buenos Aires and it's not in the same category as SE Asia countries mentioned or even Brasil. More like Europe at a time when art galleries were considered more important than railway stations.
If you draw comparisons with other countries, best to play safe and stick to ones you know. :D
hey dickhead you are one good friend. unfortunately, there are waaaaay too many screwed up aw, who appear normal, but are completely fucked up in the head. i personally think your friend is beyond help and there ain't no coming back. i can almost guarantee, he'll be married to an aw of the same caliber a couple of years down the road.
i have a friend visiting me here from the us. good friend, went to college together, known each other for 17 years, traveled together several times before. he had been telling me how his aw (second) wife had "drained him psychologically" and "broken him like a horse." i've been trying to get him down here for years (i've met his wife and she is a horrible person, ugly to boot, and according to him does not like sex).
he married this woman, took in her daughter from a previous marriage, paid to move her horses (and dogs and cats) from several time zones away, and etc. he is well-educated, white-collar professional, not fat, considerate, good cook, etc. she is a high school dropout, chronically unemployed, and just flat nasty.
finally he gets laid off and comes down here and i start showing him around. "you like this woman?" i ask. "oh yeah" he says. "i can arrange it." "what do i have to do?" "fuck her, give her fifty dollars, and send her out the door." "but what about this and that and this and that and the other thing?" "forget all that."
i took him to five places the first day and four the second. he finally picked someone, and he couldn't fuck her. why? "she was too aggressive." "wtf does that mean?" "the minute we got in the room she pulled my dick out and started sucking it." "and that is a problem because?"
long pause.
"i need some connection." ok. so i send a personal friend to his house. she is fully equipped, tall, natural tits, no tats or piercings, just what he asked for. speaks just a little english, too, enough for a conversation. i further equipped her with pizza and beer. i sent her right to the door of the comfortable furnished apartment i had arranged for him, which i had stocked with coffee, snacks, beverages, condoms, marijuana, viagra, ambien, xanax, several custom music cds, and so forth.
he calls me up, "what should i do?" "whatever you want. she will do whatever you want." "what do you mean, 'whatever i want'"? "dude, i don't know what you want and i don't want or need to know the details but unless you want to shit on her or hurt her, she is game."
he couldn't fuck her. "why?" "i am just not used to women giving me what i want." yeah, because you are used to american women!
finally i lured him to my apartment where i had another friend waiting who was not the type he requested. she was short and dark and a bit older (32 and he is 50). i told her, "will you please [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) this fucker because i can't listen to his bullshit any more." she agreed to this. he came over, i introduced them, and i said i had to go to the store and would be back "shortly" whereas i had already told my lady friend i would not come back for at least two hours.
so now he is looking for a good divorce lawyer. probably i cost him a lot of money in the short- to mid-term but on the other hand i saved his motherfucking life. but what are friends for?
Clandestine782
05-19-09, 18:26
Short answer, we are FUCKED royally. China and Japan both own about $3 Trillion of our debt through their purchases of long term U.S.Treasuries. Why would anyone in their right mind want to own our debt if Bernanke is hell bent on destroying the U.S.Dollar? When - NOT if - China and Japan stop buying our Treasuries, you can bet interest rates are going to rise dramatically.....you can [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) away any hope of a U.S. recovery any time soon.
Here's a guarantee you can take to the Bank....the U.S. standard of living is going to fall drastically.
U.S growth over the past 8 -10 years has been a mirage, fueled by easy access to cheap money borrowed from China and Japan. Almost all our U.S. manufacturing sector has been outsourced to other regions of the world. During this 8-10 year period our Financial services sector has grown exponentially, producing and selling securitized TOXIC ASSETS all over the world. It is these TOXIC ASSETS that are threatening to, and WILL, destroy our entire Global Financial system.
Now enough of this financial stuff, let's get back to finding that sweet nectar that we all LOVE.
Check out an article called: "The Mythology of Deficits" by Landsburg and Feinstone. (It's part of a book called "The Armchair Economist"). I'll leave it at that.
06. ’ After spending two weeks at a resort in Phuket with some co-workers (we were on our way to Pattaya for more fun) filled with usual debauchery one of my co-workers while at the airport looked at me and said “Man we are stepping down we should be stepping up. “ I asked him what he meant. He said all of us grew up poor now all of us have six-figure incomes. Why are we in Thailand playing with these $20 girls? He then said they are dirty in his opinion. This guy had no problem getting women in the States and fucked many a soldier and foreign women in Afghanistan where we both worked on various military installations.
He has now moved on to a better job earning double then what he was originally making and last time I spoke him I asked had he did anymore traveling outside the US he said naw…but he had been to all the hottest spots in the States and seemed rather content with himself. The only thing he asked about overseas adventure was if I was going back to Japan anytime soon because he took a likening to the Japanese women as they were independent and a lot of them genially were not prostitutes. I introduced him to the place.
DJ FourMoney
05-20-09, 12:12
06. ’ After spending two weeks at a resort in Phuket with some co-workers (we were on our way to Pattaya for more fun) filled with usual debauchery one of my co-workers while at the airport looked at me and said “Man we are stepping down we should be stepping up. “ I asked him what he meant. He said all of us grew up poor now all of us have six-figure incomes. Why are we in Thailand playing with these $20 girls? He then said they are dirty in his opinion. This guy had no problem getting women in the States and fucked many a soldier and foreign women in Afghanistan where we both worked on various military installations.
He has now moved on to a better job earning double then what he was originally making and last time I spoke him I asked had he did anymore traveling outside the US he said naw…but he had been to all the hottest spots in the States and seemed rather content with himself. The only thing he asked about overseas adventure was if I was going back to Japan anytime soon because he took a likening to the Japanese women as they were independent and a lot of them genially were not prostitutes. I introduced him to the place.
He's content because the women are content with his wallet... he is more than likely playing the "game" as AW like their men to play it. Shell it out and keep on payin....
Fancy European Car - Check
Upscale Apt in a choice section of town - Check
Can talk half way decently to women (if he's fucking female US soldiers and Afghan girls, must not be a problem) - Check
Why spend money to travel half way around the world???
They are many AM like this, we are the minority...
Check out an article called: "The Mythology of Deficits" by Landsburg and Feinstone. (It's part of a book called "The Armchair Economist"). I'll leave it at that.
Well, you have your own opinion and I have mine. We can agree to disagree, so lets get back to pussy hunting.
Chocha Monger
05-20-09, 14:12
Witness tells cops she admitted kicking him because of liaison 35 years ago
Associated Press
updated 10:27 a.m. CT, Tues., May 19, 2009
LYNNWOOD, Wash. - A 78-year-old woman arrested last month for allegedly beating her 84-year-old husband because she believed he cheated on her several times during their marriage was charged Thursday with assault.
Prosecutors said she hit him with a bowl, pipe and carpet sweeper. He suffered broken ribs, pelvis and a wrist.
One witness told police the woman admitted kicking her husband three times in the groin in the last six months because she believed he had an affair 35 years ago.
The woman was jailed on $70,000 bail.
Chocha Monger
05-20-09, 15:42
I read Illogic’s post about how hard it is to find completion in a relationship with poor foreign women. I would like to say that as an individual one is complete without a woman. Of course, there is still an old way of thinking that considers single men as incomplete or somehow deficient. The married couple is considered the basic unit of society. So for society’s reproductive needs a single person is incomplete because they cannot reproduce without coupling with the opposite sex.
Anyway, if you feel incomplete or empty then mongering is probably not going to solve your problems. Your sense of being a complete person has to come from inside of you. If you rely on someone else to complete your life then prepare to be disappointed. Some guys on here are sex addicts. They monger to deal with some other deep seated psychological problem, much like an alcoholic using alcohol to deal with stress.
Mongering is a hobby. Sex on an individual level is not needed for survival. Sex is only a need in the sense that it is necessary for the survival of the species as a whole. Guys looking for love and companionship should probably be looking for that in places other than mongering venues. These guys quickly become disillusioned with mongering because they crave profound emotional connections, exclusivity, support, and love in their sexual relationships. Prostitution offers none of these. Hence these guys come away from the sex act with a sense of release but emptiness and self-loathing.
American concepts of love include the central idea that true love is unconditional and devoid of any self serving interests. That is indeed a high bar to set in a highly materialistic society. The results of this belief are individuals who search, often in vain, for someone to love them based on nothing but their appearance and personality. They want women who have their “own” while those same women want someone who has something to “offer.” It is not hard to see how this can lead to a less than idea situation. These men will have a hard time finding love with foreign women who earn less than they do because there will always is a question as to her true motive for being with them.
In a sense it is kind of ironic. “True love” demands adoration of the love object without consideration of one’s own needs. It is the ultimate ego trip. True love will elude the majority of American men because statistics indicate that American women overwhelming marry up regardless of being financially secure independently. Sadly, these men will not be able to find happiness with foreign women lower incomes either because their ego will not allow it.
Happiness will only come for these men when they marry women who make significantly more money than they do. Only then will they feel that their self-worth has been validated. Their relationship with financially independent and superior women serves as proof of their worthiness to be loved for who they are and not their possessions.
I've evaded this institution for 53 years (as I am still not ready for an institution)! ALL of my American friends who are married are not happy or divorced. IMO women > 40 (eventually it happens to all of us) eventually become menopausal psychotics with MAJOR insecurity issues.
My plan is when I'm in my 60s to find a sexy Colombian or Filipina nurse with big tits who is one-third my age and wants the security of an older, educated, distinguished man. Who knows? Maybe I will marry her but to bring her to the States is a mistake because eventually our culture teaches them to become menopausal psychotics with MAJOR insecurity issues or worse, cougars who take your money and run. Call me prince of the cynics but I've been around awhile.
Just my .02 :)
Chocha Monger
05-20-09, 20:53
http://lifestyle.msn.com/relationships/articleglamourmatch.aspx?cp-documentid=19845151>1=32023
Jelly Donut
05-20-09, 23:33
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/5341966/Women-gives-birth-to-twins-with-different-fathers.html
Looks like someone messed with Texas. I'm curious about the "But she says she has no plans to tell the other father" comment at the end, since it seems obvious that the other father would normally find out about this sort of thing quickly. I'm suspecting she does not know how to contact the other father, but I'm sure the press will get to the bottom of the issue before this story runs full course.
Bango Cheito
05-21-09, 03:35
Yeah CM you're right. The ultimate way to satisfy your ego is to marry someone better looking, smarter, AND richer than you. The only problem is, what are they doing with your ass if that's the case? Even if you DO manage to score a situation like that, the rest of the world will see it for the mismatch it is and the couple will have a VERY hard time.
Chocha Monger
05-21-09, 22:02
Illogic, funny you should mention the reason for people being on the forum but there are some clowns in the Thailand thread that claim they are ISG solely for academic discourse and that they only live in Thailand for the "career opportunities." ;)
If you rely on someone else to complete your life then prepare to be disappointed ... Mongering is a hobby ... Sex on an individual level is not needed for survival ... Guys looking for love and companionship should probably be looking for that in places other than mongering venues.
Your first point is excellent and is one of the reasons I feel marriage is an anachronism. On your second point, I don't really list mongering among my hobbies. It's more the way I deal with my physical needs. So, regarding your third point, sure, sex is not necessary for survival but I'd rather be dead than go without it. I basically felt dead without it and I'm not a sex addict. As to your final point, you are half right. I get pretty good companionship from my hooker friends but then again I know the culture and I set my limits. Those looking for love should not be mongering. Those looking for companionship might do well mongering. At least I feel like I do. But it's important to realize that "destination mongering" probably won't fill the companionship need.
Legal Tender
05-22-09, 06:31
Yeah CM you're right. The ultimate way to satisfy your ego is to marry someone better looking, smarter, AND richer than you. The only problem is, what are they doing with your ass if that's the case? Even if you DO manage to score a situation like that, the rest of the world will see it for the mismatch it is and the couple will have a VERY hard time.I don't want that. What I dream of is a woman in the bloom of her youth who gets me addicted to being by her side, and the pleasures of her body. And, who gives a big rats ass about ". The rest of the world will see it for the 'mismatch' it is. " We all run this race. The vita. Only once, and by ourselves. I've been married three times, and each time I was gifted the present of their youth. We never own anyone. They will love you until they don't. That is true whether the love and the desire to be by your side last a hour, an afternoon, a week, a year. Or, maybe a lifetime. And, the reason for their interest, in my opinion, is irrelevant. There is no cage.
Legal Tender
05-22-09, 06:42
i have a friend visiting me here from the us. good friend, went to college together, known each other for 17 years, traveled together several times before. he had been telling me how his aw (second) wife had "drained him psychologically" and "broken him like a horse. " i've been trying to get him down here for years (i've met his wife and she is a horrible person, ugly to boot, and according to him does not like sex).
he married this woman, took in her daughter from a previous marriage, paid to move her horses (and dogs and cats) from several time zones away, and etc. he is well-educated, white-collar professional, not fat, considerate, good cook, etc. she is a high school dropout, chronically unemployed, and just flat nasty.
finally he gets laid off and comes down here and i start showing him around. "you like this woman? " i ask. "oh yeah" he says. "i can arrange it. " "what do i have to do? " "fuck her, give her fifty dollars, and send her out the door. " "but what about this and that and this and that and the other thing? " "forget all that. "
i took him to five places the first day and four the second. he finally picked someone, and he couldn't fuck her. why? "she was too aggressive. " "wtf does that mean? " "the minute we got in the room she pulled my dick out and started sucking it. " "and that is a problem because? "
long pause.
"i need some connection. " ok. so i send a personal friend to his house. she is fully equipped, tall, natural tits, no tats or piercings, just what he asked for. speaks just a little english, too, enough for a conversation. i further equipped her with pizza and beer. i sent her right to the door of the comfortable furnished apartment i had arranged for him, which i had stocked with coffee, snacks, beverages, condoms, marijuana, viagra, ambien, xanax, several custom music cds, and so forth.
he calls me up, "what should i do? " "whatever you want. she will do whatever you want. " "what do you mean, 'whatever i want'"? "dude, i don't know what you want and i don't want or need to know the details but unless you want to shit on her or hurt her, she is game. "
he couldn't fuck her. "why? " "i am just not used to women giving me what i want. " yeah, because you are used to american women!
finally i lured him to my apartment where i had another friend waiting who was not the type he requested. she was short and dark and a bit older (32 and he is 50). i told her, "will you please [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) this fucker because i can't listen to his bullshit any more. " she agreed to this. he came over, i introduced them, and i said i had to go to the store and would be back "shortly" whereas i had already told my lady friend i would not come back for at least two hours.
so now he is looking for a good divorce lawyer. probably i cost him a lot of money in the short- to mid-term but on the other hand i saved his motherfucking life. but what are friends for? damn, dude, you have saved another human being. may you be blessed in your adventure called life. only the best energy!
Legal Tender
05-22-09, 06:58
I've evaded this institution for 53 years (as I am still not ready for an institution)! ALL of my American friends who are married are not happy or divorced. IMO women > 40 (eventually it happens to all of us) eventually become menopausal psychotics with MAJOR insecurity issues.
My plan is when I'm in my 60s to find a sexy Colombian or Filipina nurse with big tits who is one-third my age and wants the security of an older, educated, distinguished man. Who knows? Maybe I will marry her but to bring her to the States is a mistake because eventually our culture teaches them to become menopausal psychotics with MAJOR insecurity issues or worse, cougars who take your money and run. Call me prince of the cynics but I've been around awhile.
Just my .02 :)Hey, you adopted my plan. I'm wondering, am I crazy? I'm in my early 60s, and am marrying a 21 year old Colombian university student because I am addicted to her company, and intoxicated by her ability to give me physical pleasure. A good prenup, and with a proper visa application, she will have a ticket to Amerka. I will have a "slice" her life. The season of her youth.the sweetest necter, isn't it?
What is the risk. That she will leave? She can't and will not want to take the memories. Am I crazy?
Your first point is excellent and is one of the reasons I feel marriage is an anachronism. On your second point, I don't really list mongering among my hobbies. It's more the way I deal with my physical needs. So, regarding your third point, sure, sex is not necessary for survival but I'd rather be dead than go without it. I basically felt dead without it and I'm not a sex addict. As to your final point, you are half right. I get pretty good companionship from my hooker friends but then again I know the culture and I set my limits. Those looking for love should not be mongering. Those looking for companionship might do well mongering. At least I feel like I do. But it's important to realize that "destination mongering" probably won't fill the companionship need.
Chocamonger and DickHead you both make great points!!!!
Big Johnson2
05-23-09, 20:44
Hey, you adopted my plan. I'm wondering, am I crazy? I'm in my early 60s, and am marrying a 21 year old Colombian university student because I am addicted to her company, and intoxicated by her ability to give me physical pleasure. A good prenup, and with a proper visa application, she will have a ticket to Amerka. I will have a "slice" her life. The season of her youth.the sweetest necter, isn't it?
What is the risk. That she will leave? She can't and will not want to take the memories. Am I crazy?
It sounds wonderful your relationship. I'd love to do it too. But my honest opinion is that she will leave you after a year or two. The better looking she is the higher the chance. She will find out that she is the only 20 year old married to 60s year old. Society here is too corrupting. I think if you are prepared for her to leave, then go ahead and do it.
I DO think it will work in her country where things like this are more acceptable. Currently I have a Filipino GF who is very good looking and there is a big age gap. I do not plan to bring her back to USA or any other western country because there are tons of horny young good looking guys that will constantly hit on her. Her opportunities for men and marriage here are unlimited.
Frequent Flier
05-24-09, 00:45
It sounds wonderful your relationship. I'd love to do it too. But my honest opinion is that she will leave you after a year or two. The better looking she is the higher the chance. She will find out that she is the only 20 year old married to 60s year old. Society here is too corrupting. I think if you are prepared for her to leave, then go ahead and do it.
I DO think it will work in her country where things like this are more acceptable. Currently I have a Filipino GF who is very good looking and there is a big age gap. I do not plan to bring her back to USA or any other western country because there are tons of horny young good looking guys that will constantly hit on her. Her opportunities for men and marriage here are unlimited.
I have a Filipina GF here in the USA. I did not bring her here. Some other poor soul did. That is a whole other story.
I'm 47 years old. We live on the West coast in a large city, so our situation is not so strange where we get lots of stares or anything. Awhile ago we were in a small arcade type place close to a Movie Theater where we were filling time before the movie we wanted to see was to start
Typical arcade where the games spit out tickets that can be turned in for prizes. We collected lost of tickets and were trying to find a child to give them too. Some of the tickets were given to my GF by a guy standing beside us at one of the games who noticed how many we had and handed them to her saying "here you can have these too". I recognized it as a come on even if my GF thought he was just trying to be nice. I'm sure he thought I was not thinking anything as most young guys think they are so slick. I could care less about making a scene because if she wants to go with someone else she knows I would not stand in her way. I'm not going to play the jealous type and would never fight or cause a scene over a girl. The guy walked away sort of quickly after he gave her the tickets and it wasn't long before she starts laughing and shows me where this guy had wrote his phone number on the first ticket. She thought it was very funny because she understands that this young guy believes she will run away for some young guy.
The funny thing is this was a calculated act. The guy did not write his number on the ticket in front of us as I had recognized that he was there for about 5 or 10 minutes before he made the gift of the tickets. So he must have seen this older guy with a sexy young girl and just knew that she was waiting to be swept away by her knight in shinning armour. How could she really want to be with this older guy. My GF professes that she does not wish to be with a young guy. She has dated young guys and prefers not to be with them and their drama as she puts it. It seems to be the truth, but I'm not sweating it one was or the other.
Point is I'm sure she has had other advances and always will. Not only because she is a slim sexy Filipina, but guys will see her with a older guy and think they are the first to offer some smooth line that will surely have her taken with them and they will get laid.
If you do this it is better if you are not the jealous type and not easily angered by young guys that are no smarter then you and I were at their age.
FF
“The big difference between sex for money and sex for free, is that the sex for money usually cost a lot less"
I have a Filipina GF here in the USA. I did not bring her here. Some other poor soul did. That is a whole other story.
I'm 47 years old. We live on the West coast in a large city, so our situation is not so strange where we get lots of stares or anything. Awhile ago we were in a small arcade type place close to a Movie Theater where we were filling time before the movie we wanted to see was to start
Typical arcade where the games spit out tickets that can be turned in for prizes. We collected lost of tickets and were trying to find a child to give them too. Some of the tickets were given to my GF by a guy standing beside us at one of the games who noticed how many we had and handed them to her saying "here you can have these too". I recognized it as a come on even if my GF thought he was just trying to be nice. I'm sure he thought I was not thinking anything as most young guys think they are so slick. I could care less about making a scene because if she wants to go with someone else she knows I would not stand in her way. I'm not going to play the jealous type and would never fight or cause a scene over a girl. The guy walked away sort of quickly after he gave her the tickets and it wasn't long before she starts laughing and shows me where this guy had wrote his phone number on the first ticket. She thought it was very funny because she understands that this young guy believes she will run away for some young guy.
The funny thing is this was a calculated act. The guy did not write his number on the ticket in front of us as I had recognized that he was there for about 5 or 10 minutes before he made the gift of the tickets. So he must have seen this older guy with a sexy young girl and just knew that she was waiting to be swept away by her knight in shinning armour. How could she really want to be with this older guy. My GF professes that she does not wish to be with a young guy. She has dated young guys and prefers not to be with them and their drama as she puts it. It seems to be the truth, but I'm not sweating it one was or the other.
Point is I'm sure she has had other advances and always will. Not only because she is a slim sexy Filipina, but guys will see her with a older guy and think they are the first to offer some smooth line that will surely have her taken with them and they will get laid.
If you do this it is better if you are not the jealous type and not easily angered by young guys that are no smarter then you and I were at their age.
FF
“The big difference between sex for money and sex for free, is that the sex for money usually cost a lot less"
I say if you have the ability to set one of them up here in the states you would be better off living on foregin soil. I understand your story but why would you want to even consider dealing with those issues if you didn't have to?
I certainly wouldnt want to grow old in america.
Chocha Monger
05-24-09, 03:01
hey, you adopted my plan. i'm wondering, am i crazy? i'm in my early 60s, and am marrying a 21 year old colombian university student because i am addicted to her company, and intoxicated by her ability to give me physical pleasure. a good prenup, and with a proper visa application, she will have a ticket to amerka. i will have a "slice" her life. the season of her youth.the sweetest necter, isn't it?
what is the risk. that she will leave? she can't and will not want to take the memories. am i crazy?
legal tender, your plan to thumb your nose at the system sounds like fun in its delirious recklessness. on the other hand, if you're wealthy or financially secure, you may be risking everything on the roll of the dice. i understand that you are willing to accept the fact that she will leave at some point. you may be looking forward to two years of her youthful nectar, a very small slice of her life in return for some predetermined amount spelled out in your prenup.
it sounds fine in theory. yet, something comes to mind about "the best-laid plans of mice and men/often go awry." you have an idea of what you're willing to pay for some memories of debauchery with this young colombian student but this is based on the assumption that you can control the risks to some extent.
you need to consider the fact that there is no such thing as an iron clad prenup. the possibility of your prenup being broken in court exists. what happens if you end up in court before an activist judge who wants to make an example of guys who marry women a third of their age? he/she may punish you by breaking your prenup and giving your young ex-wife a huge award. this is the post-imbra age and anything is possible with foreign brides. the prenup also does not remove your obligation to repay the government for any public assistance that she uses with her first 10 years in the country. she might not wait one to two years to bolt. she can leave a couple weeks after the marriage and the submission of her paperwork. her visa will not be affected if she claims domestic violence or forced sex. one lucky fellow in the filipina opinions and advice thread discovered that his soon to be bride was telling her family back in the philippines that he was [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) her three times a day just in time to call off the marriage.
if you are intact and she becomes pregnant you will have to support her and the child based on your income not the prenup. her colombian university credentials wouldn't mean anything in the us and her challenges with english would put her in a very strong position in court. she may stick around making your life hell by being abusive, unfaithful and financially irresponsible. in the end you may be the one who leaves. so you are taking a considerable risk. i don't know why you would want to do that but if you've considered the likely outcome it's up to you. just don't place too much faith in the american legal system being on your side.
Frequent Flier
05-24-09, 03:42
I say if you have the ability to set one of them up here in the states you would be better off living on foregin soil. I understand your story but why would you want to even consider dealing with those issues if you didn't have to?
I certainly wouldnt want to grow old in america.
I agree. I would not bring a girl here.
My situation was that I did meet this girl here in the USA. She was already here. I joked with her that she was going to save me a trip to the Philippines. Now we have been dating for close to a year. Once my finances reach a certain point where I believe that I can retire to the Philippiens I will be on my way.
I guess I am also unsure how much I would need to retire to the Philippines. I was hoping to make it happen by the time I was 50, but may not make it by then.
FF
Legal Tender
05-24-09, 07:19
legal tender, your plan to thumb your nose at the system sounds like fun in its delirious recklessness. on the other hand, if you're wealthy or financially secure, you may be risking everything on the roll of the dice. i understand that you are willing to accept the fact that she will leave at some point. you may be looking forward to two years of her youthful nectar, a very small slice of her life in return for some predetermined amount spelled out in your prenup.
it sounds fine in theory. yet, something comes to mind about "the best-laid plans of mice and men/often go awry." you have an idea of what you're willing to pay for some memories of debauchery with this young colombian student but this is based on the assumption that you can control the risks to some extent.
you need to consider the fact that there is no such thing as an iron clad prenup. the possibility of your prenup being broken in court exists. what happens if you end up in court before an activist judge who wants to make an example of guys who marry women a third of their age? he/she may punish you by breaking your prenup and giving your young ex-wife a huge award. this is the post-imbra age and anything is possible with foreign brides. the prenup also does not remove your obligation to repay the government for any public assistance that she uses with her first 10 years in the country. she might not wait one to two years to bolt. she can leave a couple weeks after the marriage and the submission of her paperwork. her visa will not be affected if she claims domestic violence or forced sex. one lucky fellow in the filipina opinions and advice thread discovered that his soon to be bride was telling her family back in the philippines that he was [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) her three times a day just in time to call off the marriage.
if you are intact and she becomes pregnant you will have to support her and the child based on your income not the prenup. her colombian university credentials wouldn't mean anything in the us and her challenges with english would put her in a very strong position in court. she may stick around making your life hell by being abusive, unfaithful and financially irresponsible. in the end you may be the one who leaves. so you are taking a considerable risk. i don't know why you would want to do that but if you've considered the likely outcome it's up to you. just don't place too much faith in the american legal system being on your side.
thanks for your thoughts and your time. i'm not thumbing my nose at the system, i am following it. first a pre-nup. within a month of marriage, a declaratory judgment will be filed in court resulting in a judgment that the pre-nup is valid. after 30 days, the judgment is final and can't be revisited. there must be finality of judgments. if that doesn't happen, then divorce with little subject to division. i'm shooting blanks, so my gene pool won't have any addition. her becoming abusive? i obviously don't think so. she is not crazy. and, if she does, she gets what she had contracted for and a judge has declared valid. i won't give her the opportunity to be a spendthrift. and, if she is unfaithful, what is her opportunity costs? she can start fucking some other dude, and take what she gets under the contract. we all have free will, don't we. now, am i still crazy?
Bango Cheito
05-24-09, 07:42
I agree with the rest of the board, but I just want to add one thing. You have NO IDEA how big a SACRIFICE it is for somebody who has roots here in Colombia to leave this place for a miserable shithole like the USA.
You may find that offensive, but I GUARANTEE you that's how the average Colombian expat sees it. There is a lot to miss about this place. A lot that the average gringo couldn't even begin to perceive even by coming down here for an extended time.
For that matter, young women with old guys is just not "accepted" here in Colombia. I'm 35 and I'd hesitate to date anybody under 25 here.
There's actually a girl I adore here who just turned 20 but I don't know if anything is going to develop, and the age difference is the main reason. She's a very family oriented girl and I can't see her family not having a problem. Frankly I would have a problem if I were her parent or sibling too, so I can't blame her one bit for being nervous and cautious.
Not to mention most girls that age are gonna want to have kids!
Believe me, I LOVE the idea of some hot sexy intelligent young student type slowly seducing me and dragging me over the coals of desire repeatedly. But the reality is, I'll indulge the fantasy but stop long before I do anything terminally stupid.
Legal Tender
05-24-09, 08:45
I agree with the rest of the board, but I just want to add one thing. You have NO IDEA how big a SACRIFICE it is for somebody who has roots here in Colombia to leave this place for a miserable shithole like the USA.
You may find that offensive, but I GUARANTEE you that's how the average Colombian expat sees it. There is a lot to miss about this place. A lot that the average gringo couldn't even begin to perceive even by coming down here for an extended time.
For that matter, young women with old guys is just not "accepted" here in Colombia. I'm 35 and I'd hesitate to date anybody under 25 here.
There's actually a girl I adore here who just turned 20 but I don't know if anything is going to develop, and the age difference is the main reason. She's a very family oriented girl and I can't see her family not having a problem. Frankly I would have a problem if I were her parent or sibling too, so I can't blame her one bit for being nervous and cautious.
Not to mention most girls that age are gonna want to have kids!
Believe me, I LOVE the idea of some hot sexy intelligent young student type slowly seducing me and dragging me over the coals of desire repeatedly. But the reality is, I'll indulge the fantasy but stop long before I do anything terminally stupid.
Ok, dude, thank your very much for your time and viewpoint. Of course, it is not accepted because of the age and cultural differences. I don't know why any of these Colombians would want to come to a shithole like the US., but people are still clambering to get into the US. Too bad the nice Mexicans who make up the majority of our immigrants aren't the physical beauties found in a number of countries in Sur Americano . You observed: "Believe me, I LOVE the idea of some hot sexy intelligent young student type slowly seducing me and dragging me over the coals of desire repeatedly. But the reality is, I'll indulge the fantasy.. . . Hell, she will leave. I know that. Will it happen before I die? But she will go with my blessing and good energy. Live the dream.
Chocha Monger
05-24-09, 12:44
Thanks for your thoughts and your time. I'm not thumbing my nose at the system, I am following it. First a pre-nup. Within a month of marriage, a declaratory judgment will be filed in court resulting in a judgment that the pre-nup is valid. After 30 days, the judgment is final and can't be revisited. There must be finality of judgments. If that doesn't happen, then divorce with little subject to division. I'm shooting blanks, so my gene pool won't have any addition. Her becoming abusive? I obviously don't think so. She is not crazy. And, if she does, she gets what she had contracted for and a judge has declared valid. I won't give her the opportunity to be a spendthrift. And, if she is unfaithful, what is her opportunity costs? She can start fucking some other dude, and take what she gets under the contract. We all have free will, don't we. Now, am I still crazy?
It seems less crazy but I'd like to know how it all works out for you in the end. So whatever happens a year or two from now please post it here. It could prove to be a valuable case study. :)
Thanks for your thoughts and your time. I'm not thumbing my nose at the system, I am following it.
Now, am I still crazy?
Yep.......
Bango Cheito
05-24-09, 17:43
Not to get too far off topic, but it's EXTREMELY rare for somebody to immigrate to another country with the idea of staying there permanently. They ALL have the idea of going for a few years, making tons of money, and bringing it back to their own country and living like kings. To the average Colombian, and even the average Mexican, the idea of putting down roots in the US is about as appealing as contracting HIV. Not to mention these days there are more Colombians returning to Colombia from the US than arriving there.
I too would like to hear the final results of this, and I hope you will post them honestly on here.
Jelly Donut
05-24-09, 18:29
Yep.......
Yep.......
Will it happen before I die?
I think the chances are high she will 'fall out of love' in the next few months. My experience with girls 18-25 is they have no idea what they want. They fall in love, they fall out of love.
You could live 30 more years, right?
Just looking at one tip of the iceberg. What happens when her biological clock goes off in 5 years or so? In my simplest view of the world, a woman does not 'fall in love' until she is ready to have kids. Are you going to have children with her? It seems like a lot of problems. Obviously, you don't need to answer this, but I'm curious about how your prenup handles kids, and specifically, kids in combination with divorce.
It seems like a Filipina coming to the United States under a prenup might be able to argue during a divorce that she was not aware of all the implications and did not have adequate legal representation when she signed the thing. I bet a judge would be pretty sympathetic, especially if you have kids with her.
I'm sure you expected some cynicism when you posted, so I figure you'll take these questions in stride.
Jelly Donut
05-24-09, 19:06
I'm 35 and I'd hesitate to date anybody under 25 here.
I'm curious about this. The non-standard dating rule in the United States is divide your age in half and add seven. So, 35 gives you 35/2 +7 = 24.5.
I'd think most 35 year olds in the United States could get away with dating a 25 year old with no major parental or social concerns.
I know a few guys who have married girls in the US who were younger than the (age/2 +7) idea would allow, but they were estabilished guys and the girls wanted to start families. I would have figured the rule was about the same in Colombia, with the same kind of variability around how 'estabilished' the man is and how much the woman wants to start a family.
Chocha Monger
05-25-09, 00:10
Legal Tender,
I can't help but wonder what is keeping you from enjoying this young woman's company in Colombia? Are you still working and depending on an income from the US? What is it that makes you determined to bring her back to the US where your relationship is likely to end after a brief period of time? Is the green card just part of the package in return for her time and attention?
If you are retired you could live in Colombia or elsewhere and enjoy the illusion of young love with numerous beautiful nymphs for the cost of importing just one. Also, you wouldn't have to worry about them running off because you'd have an endless supply of replacements. This would mean more memories for your dollars.
Is this about memories with a pretty young Colombia fucklet or is this about love? You say that you understand that it is all a fantasy, but why does the fantasy have to be staged in the US? Just a warning, don't expect any gratitude from this girl after she hits US soil and gets what she wants. Some small part of you might be saying that you have a chance, however small, that she will stay with you for a reasonable period of time. Reality says that you should expect her to split the moment she gets what she wants.
http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/k1-fiancess-visa----colombian-women---kiss-it-goodbye/
legal tender,
is this about memories with a pretty young colombia fucklet or is this about love? you say that you understand that it is all a fantasy, but why does the fantasy have to be staged in the us? just a warning, don't expect any gratitude from this girl after she hits us soil and gets what she wants. some small part of you might be saying that you have a chance, however small, that she will stay with you for a reasonable period of time. reality says that you should expect her to split the moment she gets what she wants.one would be lucky if she just splits. there is a also a chance to get arrested. i've heard about several cases (including one my friend) when a wife calls the police accusing her husband in abusing/[CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) her. i guess thus they get some advantage in divorce court, and also with immigration papers.
even though finally you prove your innocence, it's pain in the ass. dealing with police, hiring lawyers, renting an apartment. because now she lives in your house and you cannot come close to it, embarrassment during the arrest, etc.
my friend was lucky to learn that he is about to be arrested and he turned in to the police himself. otherwise they would come for him to his work, it would be a really bad situation for him to be seen arrested by all his clients. he owns a gym. and even though he was innocent it could harm his business if the clients (many cheerleaders girls) would find out that he got arrested for abusing his wife.
so bringing a girl to usa sounds like a crazy idea. maybe nothing bad will happen, but constantly living with the thought that you can be screwed and arrested anytime does suck.
Bango Cheito
05-25-09, 01:20
It's not having fun with several women for the same price as importing one. It's having several women for PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR for the same price. OR if you actually learn the language and the culture well enough you'll probably meet someone who will be more than glad to bone you for free, some or most will want serious relationships, others won't, some won't care. You can also go out and fuck a nice looking girl any time you want for 50k, or a STUNNER for twice that, any time you want, almost 24 hours a day.
Of course to do that you'll have to get your head around the "Colombia is only good for pussy" mentality. That will DOOM you to a lifetime of overpaying for pussy and EVERYTHING else, and being screwed over by everybody. Nobody respects you here unless you respect them as well, and believe me they can SMELL it 1000 miles away.
As for the age rule, it's basically the same here in Bogota as it is in any big city in the US, the half plus 7 rule makes pretty good sense. Which is why I say the rule of thumb is I don't see anybody under 25. In general I don't fuck with people who are still in school and haven't experienced the real world yet, we just don't have enough in common. I may be making a huge exception to the rule, but we will see. Like I said, it's not the easiest thing. I could be boning college age chicks for free all the time here, but I would be lying about a few key things to do so, namely my age, marital status, whether I have kids or not etc. I hate lying, and frankly I have no reason to. I'm just not that desparate :P
There are boards for discussing Colombian women, which women make for the best LTR or STR, etc.
There also is a board for discussing American Politics. It's called, strangely enough, "American Politics".
The excuse for passing this law is that the AM was paying to meet foreign women for a fee. The problem, some of these men had criminal backgrounds and the woman had no way of knowing the male's background.
http://www.uscis.gov/files/pressrelease/IMBRA072106.pdf
As long as you meet your girl through other than these marriage for a fee sites, you can hook up with whoever you wish. This law is about protecting foreign women from abusive and convicted AM going outside the country for easy prey. So, if your background is clean, and want to get your groove on with a nice foreign, guitar shaped, tasty treat, do so. If your background is sketchy, watch out.
Legal Tender,
I can't help but wonder what is keeping you from enjoying this young woman's company in Colombia? Are you still working and depending on an income from the US? What is it that makes you determined to bring her back to the US where your relationship is likely to end after a brief period of time? Is the green card just part of the package in return for her time and attention?
If you are retired you could live in Colombia or elsewhere and enjoy the illusion of young love with numerous beautiful nymphs for the cost of importing just one. Also, you wouldn't have to worry about them running off because you'd have an endless supply of replacements. This would mean more memories for your dollars.
Is this about memories with a pretty young Colombia fucklet or is this about love? You say that you understand that it is all a fantasy, but why does the fantasy have to be staged in the US? Just a warning, don't expect any gratitude from this girl after she hits US soil and gets what she wants. Some small part of you might be saying that you have a chance, however small, that she will stay with you for a reasonable period of time. Reality says that you should expect her to split the moment she gets what she wants.
http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/k1-fiancess-visa----colombian-women---kiss-it-goodbye/
Chocha Monger
05-25-09, 03:03
The excuse for passing this law is that the AM was paying to meet foreign women for a fee. The problem, some of these men had criminal backgrounds and the woman had no way of knowing the male's background.
http://www.uscis.gov/files/pressrelease/IMBRA072106.pdf
As long as you meet your girl through other than these marriage for a fee sites, you can hook up with whoever you wish. This law is about protecting foreign women from abusive and convicted AM going outside the country for easy prey. So, if your background is clean, and want to get your groove on with a nice foreign, guitar shaped, tasty treat, do so. If your background is sketchy, watch out.
I think you need to RTFP. The topic at hand has nothing to do with IMBRA. Furthermore, IMBRA affects more than just convicted felons and domestic abusers. It limits how many times AM can sponsor a foreign woman on a K-1/K-2 visa regardless of how clean his background happens to be. The abuse part was used to sell the law but it went further than that. Feminists did not like the idea of AM being able to bring over unlimited numbers of women for a road test between the sheets. Please don't justify the passing of a law based on a single piece of government propaganda.
Maybe while we're at it all Americans should turn in their guns because bad criminals kill people with guns, so this is entirely justified to protect the public. Let's not stop there we can extend this to cars, alcohol and cigarettes, etc.
Legal Tender
05-25-09, 05:26
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Legal Tender,
"I can't help but wonder what is keeping you from enjoying this young woman's company in Colombia? Are you still working and depending on an income from the US? What is it that makes you determined to bring her back to the US where your relationship is likely to end after a brief period of time? Is the green card just part of the package in return for her time and attention?"
I am a self-employed professional. I'm a lawyer, and it is more fun than anything but fucking my 21 year old Colombian. I am financially able to retire and my life style would not substantially change. But, I am not careless with my resources
[quote] "Is this about memories with a pretty young Colombia fucklet or is this about love? You say that you understand that it is all a fantasy, but why does the fantasy have to be staged in the US? Just a warning, don't expect any gratitude from this girl after she hits US soil and gets what she wants. Some small part of you might be saying that you have a chance, however small, that she will stay with you for a reasonable period of time. Reality says that you should expect her to split the moment she gets what she wants."
Sure it's about love. This girl is very, very political and I certainly see her returning to Colombia after she is educated in the US to fight for her cause. Yes, it is about love - of course. At this moment we are dreaming the same dream - that she has the advantages to enhance her life. What does she want? I think she wants someone who can take care of her and care for her. She is not materialistic: she is a socialist! She gives nothing but good energy. When she choses to leave, it will be with my blessing.
[QUOTE...This law is about protecting foreign women from abusive and convicted AM going outside the country for easy prey. So, if your background is clean, and want to get your groove on with a nice foreign, guitar shaped, tasty treat, do so. If your background is sketchy, watch out.[/QUOTE]
I hear the same rationalization for any fascistic government attempt to intrude into my private life by the Patriot Act, warrantless wiretaps, cops randomly searching homes for no cause...the rationalization is always the same: "If you've done nothing wrong, what are you so worried about?!"
IMBRA is yet another intrusion and unnecessary stricture on AM, and a transparent attempt by feminazis to control male sexuality. We already have laws on everything from domestic abuse to [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908). Just enforce them.
Chocha Monger
05-25-09, 14:14
one would be lucky if she just splits. there is a also a chance to get arrested. i've heard about several cases (including one my friend) when a wife calls the police accusing her husband in abusing/[CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) her. i guess thus they get some advantage in divorce court, and also with immigration papers.
even though finally you prove your innocence, it's pain in the ass. dealing with police, hiring lawyers, renting an apartment. because now she lives in your house and you cannot come close to it, embarrassment during the arrest, etc.
my friend was lucky to learn that he is about to be arrested and he turned in to the police himself. otherwise they would come for him to his work, it would be a really bad situation for him to be seen arrested by all his clients. he owns a gym. and even though he was innocent it could harm his business if the clients (many cheerleaders girls) would find out that he got arrested for abusing his wife.
so bringing a girl to usa sounds like a crazy idea. maybe nothing bad will happen, but constantly living with the thought that you can be screwed and arrested anytime does suck.
goga,
you're correct the domestic abuse charge is a fairly common maneuver in conjunction with divorce. it gives the female a stronger position in divorce court. who can argue with a woman for divorcing an abusive man, right? the husband now has to fight a criminal case in addition to a civil case. somewhere along the line an offer will be made to drop the charges in return for giving up property or money in the divorce. if any children are involved a domestic abuse conviction will preclude the man from getting unsupervised visitation. when people think of domestic abuse they usually think of some guy slapping the old lady around while wearing white wife beaters. they'd be surprised to know that cursing or "threatening language" is included in that definition. for example, calling your foreign wife "stupid" and threatening to "send her back" to her home country can be considered domestic abuse. physical violence does not have to be involved. frequent demands for sex could be considered abusive if the wife claims it prevents her from getting adequate sleep and rest.
even if the guy proves his innocence the domestic violence charge/arrest will be a permanent stain on his record and he will find it impossible to get into security type jobs because he will have to reveal and explain the charges.
i know of a case where the woman knew exactly what she was doing. she goaded her husband verbally. she told him hurtful things about his mother and other things he felt sensitive about. he lost it and slapped her. big mistake. she called the cops and he went to jail. when he got out he couldn't go back to his house. he pleaded guilty and gave up his guns. she let him move back in and continue paying the bills. whenever he gets pissed about anything she reminds him that all she has to do is make a phone call.
i know of a case where the woman knew exactly what she was doing. she goaded her husband verbally. she told him hurtful things about his mother and other things he felt sensitive about. he lost it and slapped her. big mistake. she called the cops and he went to jail. when he got out he couldn't go back to his house. he pleaded guilty and gave up his guns. she let him move back in and continue paying the bills. whenever he gets pissed about anything she reminds him that all she has to do is make a phone call.that's really bad. i also know one guy who was married for 20+ years to an aw, then she divorced him and he was forced by court to sell his business and split the money with her. although she did not have anything to do with the business, but she simply took at least 50% of it.
and also know another guy who spend in jail almost one year. he was accused by his mother in law for sexual harassment and trying to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) her. after he got problems with his wife and her family, they decided to set him up. the mother in law called him telling that she wants to talk to him. he went out with her, she parked on a gas station and called the police. she told them he was trying to take her jeans off, open her zipper, etc. which of course was bullshit, but the guy is not too educated and does not have money for lawyers, etc. he was not actually really convicted, she simply did not show up in court for months, so he was spending all the time in jail waiting for trial. all his credit history is messed up now. his credit card bills are rediculous, of course he could not pay while in jail, so now he is a complete mess.
so what do those american women advocates say? still women in usa are so fine? of course i do realize primarily it is not the women's fault, it's the american system (legal, parental, educational, tv propaganda, etc.). but the final results is what matters.
Goga,
You're correct the domestic abuse charge is a fairly common maneuver in conjunction with divorce. It gives the female a stronger position in divorce court.
I know of a case where the woman knew exactly what she was doing. She goaded her husband verbally. She told him hurtful things about his mother and other things he felt sensitive about. He lost it and slapped her. Big mistake. She called the cops and he went to jail. When he got out he couldn't go back to his house. He pleaded guilty and gave up his guns. She let him move back in and continue paying the bills. Whenever he gets pissed about anything she reminds him that all she has to do is make a phone call.
Same thing happened to a cousin of mine......His wife, whom he was planning on divorcing, kept calling the cops about petty trivial matters. The cops knew what she was up to and advised him to move out ASAP.
Gentleman Travel
05-26-09, 16:26
Thanks for your thoughts and your time. I'm not thumbing my nose at the system, I am following it. First a pre-nup. Within a month of marriage, a declaratory judgment will be filed in court resulting in a judgment that the pre-nup is valid. After 30 days, the judgment is final and can't be revisited. There must be finality of judgments. If that doesn't happen, then divorce with little subject to division. I'm shooting blanks, so my gene pool won't have any addition. Her becoming abusive? I obviously don't think so. She is not crazy. And, if she does, she gets what she had contracted for and a judge has declared valid. I won't give her the opportunity to be a spendthrift. And, if she is unfaithful, what is her opportunity costs? She can start fucking some other dude, and take what she gets under the contract. We all have free will, don't we. Now, am I still crazy?
Well, obviously you know what you are talking about and have a solid plan.
But I wonder why undergo the risk and expense of marriage?
Surely it would be easier and cheaper to bring the girl into the country another way?
Like as a student. You pay her tuition and guarantee her return ticket and install her in your bedroom.
Of course she needs to be interested in a college education and able to be admitted.
But it does not have to be full-time study or high level, probably any college program will do.
Another way is as a domestic worker - perhaps this is not as easy in the US, but in Canada there is a special program
to import "live in" domestics - something I would do if not for the inconvenient fact that I am currently married.
I have been following this thread with quite a bit of interest. Like LT, I've met up with a Colombiana, and while the age difference is not as great, it still exists, and like many here, I know guys who have been absolutely screwed over every which way from Sunday by rapacious NA women. We have seen each other four times in the last 1 1/2 yrs, usually lasting about 2 wks, then it's back to Canada and the biz. I have tossed around the idea of bringing her for a visit, realistically she will hate Canada inside of a couple of months, once the 30 below weather hits, she'll want to head for home soon enough. I think a student visa works quite well, if the girl has the intelligence (she does), and wants to learn English, no need to marry her, set out the terms and she has to stick by them. With the rules to import spouses here so onerous, it is far too risky to chance it. But I wouldn't touch a local Cdn broad with a 10 ft pole.
Gentleman Travel
05-27-09, 16:40
I think a student visa works quite well, if the girl has the intelligence (she does), and wants to learn English, no need to marry her, set out the terms and she has to stick by them.
Have you seriously investigated this?
I have looked at it casually a couple of times, for a couple of girls, but never got too far.
I was always confused by the lack of clarity about what would qualify. It looks like it could be quite loose. Could I really just bring a girl here (Ottawa) for a few months of part-time English language training?
For a guy who could have her live-in, this could be quite a good option.
For me, with the additional expense of housing her and only being able to screw her a couple of times a week, the economics are not so good.
Chocha Monger
05-27-09, 17:26
Could I really just bring a girl here (Ottawa) for a few months of part-time English language training?
No. She has to be attending the program full-time to qualify for a student visa. Evidence of funds, preferably held in escrow, for payment of the first year of studies must be presented. The student has to be accepted into the program before applying for the visa.
In some cases the student visa may not be required if the study program is six months or less.
More information here: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/study/study-who.asp
No I haven't, which is part of the reason I am following this thread with some interest. The colombiana and I have not talked about her coming up here, and I certainly will not broach the issue, but it is good to know the results of different arrangements.
Thanks CM, for the link, it should be worthwhile to followup with what they say.
Legal Tender
05-28-09, 05:05
I have been following this thread with quite a bit of interest. Like LT, I've met up with a Colombiana, and while the age difference is not as great, it still exists, and like many here, I know guys who have been absolutely screwed over every which way from Sunday by rapacious NA women. We have seen each other four times in the last 1 1/2 yrs, usually lasting about 2 wks, then it's back to Canada and the biz. I have tossed around the idea of bringing her for a visit, realistically she will hate Canada inside of a couple of months, once the 30 below weather hits, she'll want to head for home soon enough. I think a student visa works quite well, if the girl has the intelligence (she does), and wants to learn English, no need to marry her, set out the terms and she has to stick by them. With the rules to import spouses here so onerous, it is far too risky to chance it. But I wouldn't touch a local Cdn broad with a 10 ft pole.
The main problem with a student visa for a South American girl is the proof required for the consul to determine that they will return to their country of origin. At bottom, the girl would need to be from a wealthy family with strong ties to her country, e.g., own real estate, have a substantial job, substantial funds in the bank. . . . Almost anyone would want to live in their country of origin if it is secure, safe, and most importantly, if there is hope. Whatever the complaints are about North America, there is a reason why it is so difficult to obtain a visa to come North.
Legal Tender
05-28-09, 05:16
Well, obviously you know what you are talking about and have a solid plan.
But I wonder why undergo the risk and expense of marriage?
Surely it would be easier and cheaper to bring the girl into the country another way?
Like as a student. You pay her tuition and guarantee her return ticket and install her in your bedroom.
Of course she needs to be interested in a college education and able to be admitted.
But it does not have to be full-time study or high level, probably any college program will do.
Another way is as a domestic worker - perhaps this is not as easy in the US, but in Canada there is a special program
to import "live in" domestics - something I would do if not for the inconvenient fact that I am currently married.
Why would anyone undertake the "risk and expense of marriage"? That's a fair enough question. With proper legal preparation - a prenup done right - the only real exposure is emotional. There is a financial component, but it is quantified, before hand. In the final analysis, one has to decide that you have the power to improve and enhance another person's life. To give security, safety and hope. Of course, having a little money helps. But, my experience has been that what you give out, you get back. No one has ever taken "advantage" of me, yet. Am I crazy?
Jelly Donut
05-28-09, 12:06
With proper legal preparation - a prenup done right <snip> Am I crazy?
I'm not sure if you saw my question below - it seems like a woman coming to the United States under a prenup might be able to argue during a divorce that she was not aware of all it's implications and she did not have adequate legal representation when she signed it. My understanding is that American women have used this kind of reasoning in the past to argue the prenup was invalid (check out the Steven Spielberg, Amy Irving divorce). Does your prenup anticipate this? Did she have a lawyer advise her before signing it?
I'm not sure if you saw my question below - it seems like a woman coming to the United States under a prenup might be able to argue during a divorce that she was not aware of all it's implications and she did not have adequate legal representation when she signed it. My understanding is that American women have used this kind of reasoning in the past to argue the prenup was invalid (check out the wiki on Steven Spielberg). Does your prenup anticipate this? Did she have a lawyer advise her before signing it?I think the best "prenap" is not to have any assets she can find out about. If you move everything(or most of it) out of country, would not it be simpler?
I've heard there are some other asset protection ways, anybody heard about them?
See, Archie (as in comics Archie), now he did the right thing, even though it took him about 50yrs, and Veronica & Betty are still as gorgeous as ever. But he went with the one with the cash, not the babe next door. Interesting to see if Mr. Lodge insists on a prenup before the lovebirds have the wedding!
Jelly Donut
05-29-09, 00:17
I think the best "prenap" is not to have any assets she can find out about. If you move everything(or most of it) out of country, would not it be simpler?
I've heard there are some other asset protection ways, anybody heard about them?
Well, that's an idea, but it leads me to more questions. I know the US government (specifically the IRS and the Department of Justice) is very interested in Americans who have assets overseas, since it is all taxable in the United States. The Union Bank of Switzerland recently was sued with the aim of giving up the names of more than 50,000 accounts which apparently have American owners. I don't know how that's going to pan out, but the zeitgeist is not on the side of people who want to keep information off tax returns.
Personally, I would not risk problems with the IRS simply for the sake of holding assets through a divorce which might not even occur. I would make sure my tax return represented my finances. So, I'm not sure if you can keep your tax return secret during a divorce? It seems like the first thing a divorce lawyer would track down. Anyone know? Aside from that, I'll be happy if LT addresses yesterday's question...
Wanderer1000
05-29-09, 00:51
I was talking with a lawyer from Texas when I was in Medellin a few years ago. We got to talking about prenups since I said I believed they were risky and maybe useless. He said the main things are time and making sure she has a lawyer that she has picked out. The idea as I recall it - let her pick her own lawyer so there can't be any claim that she was tricked by your lawyer or a lawyer that you picked. Then document many meetings with that lawyer to discuss the terms of the pernup over a year long period.
Apparently, unless you have some feminazi or self-loathing male judge in a divorce case (still a real possibility in my book), then you should be pretty safe on having it hold up.
It was kind of funny. We were sitting in the food court and there was another gringo sitting at the table next to us with his Latina. He was totally focused on our conversation.
Bango Cheito
05-29-09, 04:49
A reason visas for North America are so popular? The #1 reason is people's ignorance, they think the grass is greener and it isn't.
The big problem with somebody bringing a foreign girl into the US is that the US really isn't as great as most people think it is. This is a big reality shock for these women and it really screws up their universe. Do not underestimate this. That's enough to tear almost any relationship to shreds right there.
DJ FourMoney
05-29-09, 10:52
A reason visas for North America are so popular? The #1 reason is people's ignorance, they think the grass is greener and it isn't.
The big problem with somebody bringing a foreign girl into the US is that the US really isn't as great as most people think it is. This is a big reality shock for these women and it really screws up their universe. Do not underestimate this. That's enough to tear almost any relationship to shreds right there.
Well the Grass IS Greener for some in terms of Weather, Taxes and in good times, Jobs.
The food is likely more processed than in say Europe, I hear that complaint alot and they shop at Whole Foods just to get away from it.
Most still have better job qualifications than many Americans do, so they are still offered jobs. For example, there are engineering jobs open for CalTrans in California.
I'm not cheering this, but its reality.
I currently know two German nationals on the east coast who's K-1s have run out and are not looking to move back to Germany...
Legal Tender
06-01-09, 19:05
I was talking with a lawyer from Texas when I was in Medellin a few years ago. We got to talking about prenups since I said I believed they were risky and maybe useless. He said the main things are time and making sure she has a lawyer that she has picked out. The idea as I recall it - let her pick her own lawyer so there can't be any claim that she was tricked by your lawyer or a lawyer that you picked. Then document many meetings with that lawyer to discuss the terms of the pernup over a year long period.
Apparently, unless you have some feminazi or self-loathing male judge in a divorce case (still a real possibility in my book), then you should be pretty safe on having it hold up.
It was kind of funny. We were sitting in the food court and there was another gringo sitting at the table next to us with his Latina. He was totally focused on our conversation.
There are various requirements, depending on the state, to insure to the best of one's ability that a prenup will be enforeced. This is not legal advice, and no attorney - client relationship is created by this message. But, there are some simple things that should be done: (1) make sure she has a lawyer of HER choice; (2) make sure that translators are available if she is not a fluent speaker of English; and, (3) make sure there is a full disclosure of your assets. Finally, and what seals the deal is after the marriage, but very, very early on, a declaratory judgment lawsuit is filed and a judgment entered by a court of competent jurisdiction is obtained where the judge signs a judgment that the prenup is a valid and subsisting agreement. After the judgment becomes final (30 days in most states) it cannot be collaterally attacked. NO SECOND BITE at the apple. Guys, the system can work. If the judgment is not obtained, then "goodbye". It's as simple as that.
Jelly Donut
06-01-09, 23:56
There are various requirements, depending on the state, to insure to the best of one's ability that a prenup will be enforeced. This is not legal advice, and no attorney - client relationship is created by this message. But, there are some simple things that should be done: (1) make sure she has a lawyer of HER choice; (2) make sure that translators are available if she is not a fluent speaker of English; and, (3) make sure there is a full disclosure of your assets. Finally, and what seals the deal is after the marriage, but very, very early on, a declaratory judgment lawsuit is filed and a judgment entered by a court of competent jurisdiction is obtained where the judge signs a judgment that the prenup is a valid and subsisting agreement. After the judgment becomes final (30 days in most states) it cannot be collaterally attacked. NO SECOND BITE at the apple. Guys, the system can work. If the judgment is not obtained, then "goodbye". It's as simple as that.
Excellent. That's really excellent. Thanks to both of you for helping me with this.
For what it's worth, I don't think you are crazy.
Chocha Monger
06-02-09, 03:41
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DJ FourMoney
06-02-09, 11:36
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31050599//
Ah shades of Susan Smith and the "Runaway Bride" - Its convenient, blame the "colored" people...
Though the Runway Bride tried to throw Latino Men under the bus, Susan Smith flat out LIED about killing her children and said a Black Man did, because in the Deep South, its not the New South at all...
Legal Tender
06-03-09, 06:33
A reason visas for North America are so popular? The #1 reason is people's ignorance, they think the grass is greener and it isn't.
The big problem with somebody bringing a foreign girl into the US is that the US really isn't as great as most people think it is. This is a big reality shock for these women and it really screws up their universe. Do not underestimate this. That's enough to tear almost any relationship to shreds right there.
The US is different. Different is different. That doesn't mean better or worse. Most people would like to live in their native country if there is hope. Please, people must take responsibility for their decisions. It is not productive to blame your ex, your parents. . . . or a country for shredding a relationship.
Bango Cheito
06-03-09, 07:14
I agree but I'm not condoning the behavior, only explaining the most probable cause of it.
The average non Spanish speaker in the US has NO IDEA how much most Latinos actually HATE it here.
DJ FourMoney
06-03-09, 07:22
The US is different. Different is different. That doesn't mean better or worse. Most people would like to live in their native country if there is hope. Please, people must take responsibility for their decisions. It is not productive to blame your ex, your parents. . . . or a country for shredding a relationship.
People leave because you identified it correctly - HOPE
1) Hope to find employment where the pay is higher (trading higher wages for less of a social safety net) and more opportunity. Some things in the US are just easier to do if your a self-starter.
2) Hope to find the love of your life. Some times people don't fit well in their culture. I know a German woman who was constantly made fun of and ridiculed as a teenager and as an adult because she is deeply attracted to Black Men (especially American Black Men). She's currently in Maryland...
3) Hope for just something different from what they know. I haven't been to Berlin so I can't say (I've spent most of my time in Germany) but the somewhat frantic nature of living in say Los Angeles is unlike anyplace else. There's only ONE New York City for example. These larger than life cities and the general draw of sunny mild climates in the Southwestern US are a BIG draw for Europeans. The low cost of housing in the Southeastern US has seen quite a few people move that direction as well.
4) Brits go to Spain or France to retire (better weather, lower cost), Americans go to Central America, South America and The Pacific Rim so they can retire like kings.
The average non Spanish speaker in the US has NO IDEA how much most Latinos actually HATE it here.
"Hate" might be too strong a word. But I do agree a lot of Latinos don't really like it here, but work really hard to send money back home to their families. Also, some of this money goes towards building a house in their own village. Yes those Latino workers, you see mowing lawns, doing menial work etc, send money home every month towards the construction of a house.
Got a buddy who is living the American dream. Has a beautiful, college-educated, financially independent Caucasian wife. He has the house with the Pickett fence the whole Enchilada.
The Problem:
He has heard one to many stories about life in PI from me. He has seen the photos and now wants to come over. I am torn between having one of “my reals” to roam the streets of Manila with and destroying his life. I have seen what places like Thailand and PI can do to a man and his family :confused:
www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=My+real
His wife is not some hag. Attractive, slim lady. Yes she is a full-bloodied American woman. This thing of ours (Mongering) is like a faucet of water you can never shut off....
Chocha Monger
06-05-09, 18:49
Got a buddy who is living the American dream. Has a beautiful, college-educated, financially independent Caucasian wife. He has the house with the Pickett fence the whole Enchilada.
The Problem:
He has heard one to many stories about life in PI from me. He has seen the photos and now wants to come over. I am torn between having one of “my reals” to roam the streets of Manila with and destroying his life. I have seen what places like Thailand and PI can do to a man and his family :confused:
www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=My+real
His wife is not some hag. Attractive, slim lady. Yes she is a full-bloodied American woman. This thing of ours (Mongering) is like a faucet of water you can never shut off....
Illogic,
You should let your friend come visit in the PI and experience what it is like to be surrounded by a sea of cheap pussy cat. If he is truly happy and living the American dream, then you don’t have to worry about him going adrift on a sea of wetness seduced by the siren song of thousands of dark lipped hairy oysters.
Your friend may not be as happy or content as you think. When it comes to relationships, only the two people involved can truly know what is happening behind the scenes. The fact that your friend seems to have taken a keen interest in your yarns and photographs from the Philippines seems to that something is lacking at home. He is probably bored and needs some adventure to make him feel alive again. Right now, he is living vicariously through your tales of tropical debauchery and sexual excess. The least you can do is to let him experience the sights, sounds and feel of the Philippines himself. He may become a monger or he may not. In the end he will make his own decision so don’t worry about him turning into some insatiable lecher.
Bango Cheito
06-07-09, 05:29
I'm visiting NYC for the next little while, and I was talking to a bartender in a local watering hole here, who is from Cali, Colombia. I asked her point blank "after personally having moved to Colombia and lived there almost a year, how on Earth do you STAND living here after having been born and raised in Colombia" ... she told me " I find life to be very hard here, after all these years here I still frequently cry myself to sleep".....
The only reason those people are here is $$$$$$$$$.
http://www.villagevoice.com/2009-05-27/news/see-dick-pay-jane-chaste-dating-for-cash/
The Village Voice recently reported on what may be a new or newly revived phenomenon in New York.- "chaste" dating, whereby an agency arranges for you a purely platonic encounter with an arguably attractive AW. The story profiles a single Manhattan agency founded and staffed by precisely the type of humorless, ball-breaking, grrl power-invoking, postmodern feminist harridan you'd expect to be running such an enterprise. The "gals" clearly believe their $60-an-hour fee (no touching, buster! ) is a magnanimous gift to the cadre of socially inept losers they deign to half-listen to on said "dates." While not articulating delusions of their own value, the urban princesses critique their schmuck-clients with a near-hostile disdain over everything from the guys' banter to choice of libation, while mentally ticking off lists of consumer labels affixed to their paying partner (his pants, cellphone, shoes, and on and on).
It's hard to deny the inherent foolishness of a guy who would shell out hard-earned bucks for this kind of treatment in a milieu in which the prospect of ensuing sex seems almost guaranteed not to happen. But the AW seems to have a hit a new high in terms of deluded self-worth and a new nadir in man-hating.
Legal Tender
06-07-09, 19:27
I'm visiting NYC for the next little while, and I was talking to a bartender in a local watering hole here, who is from Cali, Colombia. I asked her point blank "after personally having moved to Colombia and lived there almost a year, how on Earth do you STAND living here after having been born and raised in Colombia" ... she told me " I find life to be very hard here, after all these years here I still frequently cry myself to sleep".....
The only reason those people are here is $$$$$$$$$.
I agree but I'm not condoning the behavior, only explaining the most probable cause of it.
The average non Spanish speaker in the US has NO IDEA how much most Latinos actually HATE it here.
Bango Cheito, the only thing that your posts reveal is that you "hate it here". I'm sorry that you are finding life so displeasing. I guess we will know that "they" really hate the U.S. when we must build fences to keep our citizens in. These folks have no hope in Colombia or much of Sur Americano. Look in the mirror, it is you that professes hate for the U.S. - You have no hope. Please, please, take just a moment to count your blessings, as we all should. I wish you only good energy.
Bango Cheito, the only thing that your posts reveal is that you "hate it here". I'm sorry that you are finding life so displeasing. I guess we will know that "they" really hate the U.S. when we must build fences to keep our citizens in. These folks have no hope in Colombia or much of Sur Americano. Look in the mirror, it is you that professes hate for the U.S. - You have no hope. Please, please, take just a moment to count your blessings, as we all should. I wish you only good energy.
Most immigrants who come to the U.S.A. are sold on the promises of a great life for all, by the Hollywood Film marketing machine. Low skilled immigrants come here in droves and quickly realize, if you're NOT highly skilled the chances of making it "big" are highly diminished.
On the other hand if you are an immigrant with a lot of $$$$$, you can do NO better anywhere else than in America. In other words, America is a fantastic place to live if you have plenty of money.
Jelly Donut
06-07-09, 23:11
http://www.villagevoice.com/2009-05-27/news/see-dick-pay-jane-chaste-dating-for-cash/
the inherent foolishness of a guy...
Chuckle. http://austensjanes.com/GIRLS/girlspage.html
Well, at least you know you are paying for "a sure thing".
This kind of experience is good for guys who are in the final ball-busting stages of American Women. Completely defeated in the regular dating environment, but not quite understanding and embracing the full implications of that defeat.
Ha! Julia is "strong advocate for human rights and victims of [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)". What a piece of work. These girls obviously know about the mechanics of trafficking. I wonder if they understand that it's possible for a women to unlawfully traffic herself in the United States?
On the other hand if you are an immigrant with a lot of $$$$$, you can do NO better anywhere else than in America. In other words, it's a fantastic place to live if you have plenty of money.
I do believe besides Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, and the Antarctic anywhere on earth is a great place to live if you have money.
I do believe besides Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, and the Antarctic anywhere on earth is a great place to live if you have money.
Not really....In the U.S.A you have relative security within your own wealthy social class. In many cities in South and Central America, South Africa, the Middle East, etc the well off live in well guarded, high walled gated communities. Also it's highly likely you or any of your family members might become victims of a kidnap for money scheme.
In the U.S of A the ultra wealthy own congress, the major political parties, the Banks, Wall Street.....what more could the ultra wealthy ask for. I tell you for an increasing majority of middle class Americans, surviving is becoming a b!tch.
Bango Cheito
06-08-09, 04:14
Bango Cheito, the only thing that your posts reveal is that you "hate it here". I'm sorry that you are finding life so displeasing. I guess we will know that "they" really hate the U.S. when we must build fences to keep our citizens in. These folks have no hope in Colombia or much of Sur Americano. Look in the mirror, it is you that professes hate for the U.S. - You have no hope. Please, please, take just a moment to count your blessings, as we all should. I wish you only good energy.
I wish you would RTFF dude. I already moved out of the USA 10 months ago. I now make Bogota, Colombia my home. BEST THING I EVER DID.
And I did it WITHOUT bringing piles of money from the US. I'm working my ass off and making pesos.
You're line about folks "not having hope" in Colombia is absolutely WRONG. If there's one thing NOT missing from Colombia it's hope, and for good reason. The country is on the way up, and it's one of few countries on Earth that can say that reasonably.
I don't hate the US, I feel SORRY for it and everybody in it. Because I KNOW what it's like to live in the US, did it for 11 years. All the money in the world really doesn't make up for the negative parts.
I don't know about the ultra rich in the US vs the ultra rich in Colombia. In the US all the money in the world really doesn't buy shit. No matter how upmarket you go, the food still sucks, the lifestyle still sucks, and you suffer. Not to mention NO ONE in the US gets to be truly idle and relax. The real rich areas to live in here are so expensive that you are GUARANTEED a lifetime of toil if you live there, almost no matter how much you make.
OTOH the rich in Latin America do get a lot LOT more for their money, but they spend every waking moment in abject fear for themselves and their loved ones.
OTOOH, the middle class (YES there IS one) in Latin America have a hell of a great deal going and I'm very glad to be part of it now :)
You can come down to Colombia, fuck a bunch of hot girls, hit all the hot spots, party your ass off, you still have no idea what you are missing compared to those of us fortunate enough to live here, even the ones that make really meager amounts of money by your standards. Trust me.
Anyways if you want to send me positive energy I'll take it. I can use it because I got my eye on this girl but it's going to be a long hard conquest, but I'm sure it will be worth it like nothing before ever was. So don't hold off on the energy just yet ;)
Gentleman Travel
06-08-09, 15:32
Illogic,
You should let your friend come visit in the PI and experience what it is like to be surrounded by a sea of cheap pussy cat. If he is truly happy and living the American dream, then you don’t have to worry about him going adrift on a sea of wetness seduced by the siren song of thousands of dark lipped hairy oysters.
Your friend may not be as happy or content as you think. When it comes to relationships, only the two people involved can truly know what is happening behind the scenes. .... The least you can do is to let him experience the sights, sounds and feel of the Philippines himself. He may become a monger or he may not. In the end he will make his own decision so don’t worry about him turning into some insatiable lecher.
I agree, show him what the world has to offer.
Not everyone who tastes the nectar of the goddesses turns into a junkie.
It may simply be a broadening and enriching experience for him.
True, if his real life is a romantic or sexual wasteland, then he may decide to chuck it all for a few years of joy.
But more likely he will just develop a taste for a little honey on the side,
to bring some sweetness into his white-bread world.
I'm married and monger whenever I can (not often enough).
It helps to relieve the monotony and the compromises I have to make in life.
But it has also helped to spice up my domestic love life, by making me more
demanding, resulting in more supply (quantity and quality). I can be more demanding and confident
because I know a world of pleasure awaits if the cost/benefit ratio of marriage falls below a certain point.
And guess what? Women like a confident and demanding man. So it is win-win.
Chocha Monger
06-08-09, 16:52
Legal Tender, what Bango Cheito is saying is not off the mark. While the media tends to focus on the rags-to-riches immigrant stories this is not the typical experience for most immigrants. Many immigrants must face language barriers, lost of credentials, lost of social status, low pay and discrimination on a daily basis. They don’t have a family to support them in the event of job loss or illness. Some of them actually give up on the American dream and return to their home countries. People usually prefer to face hardship with the company of friends and family rather than in a far away land surrounded by strangers. I’m sure some of them become bitter about their circumstances and I think this is what Bango referred to when he said, “Hate.” Of course, they don’t hate the country but they see their presence here as a sacrifice. In America people tend to keep to themselves, especially in large cities, so it is probably not a pleasant experience for a foreigner trying to start a new life without a lot of money and no friends.
Legal Tender, what Bango Cheito is saying is not off the mark. While the media tends to focus on the rags-to-riches immigrant stories this is not the typical experience for most immigrants. Many immigrants must face language barriers, lost of credentials, lost of social status, low pay and discrimination on a daily basis. They don’t have a family to support them in the event of job loss or illness. Some of them actually give up on the American dream and return to their home countries. People usually prefer to face hardship with the company of friends and family rather than in a far away land surrounded by strangers. I’m sure some of them become bitter about their circumstances and I think this is what Bango referred to when he said, “Hate.” Of course, they don’t hate the country but they see their presence here as a sacrifice. In America people tend to keep to themselves, especially in large cities, so it is probably not a pleasant experience for a foreigner trying to start a new life without a lot of money and no friends.
Chocha Monger is correct!
The far majority of immigrants that come to USA are bottom-feeders. It will take them 2 or 3 generations to catch-up with the native populace.
When people tell me that they have family members working in the USA, I immediately tell them that their family member(s) are struggling to survive.
US $8 per hour as a waiter is a lot in Latin America, but only US $320 per week in the USA. They are not even on our radar with monthly income of US $1,280 before taxes.
The USA is great at marketing illusions abroad.
What is impressive is how much pride these people (ie. ex-workers and family members) when telling their personal USA story. I remember living in Mexico City and a 50-year old Mexican guy who owned a printing store telling me that he "plucked" over 1,000 chickens per day as his job in Georgia. He had so much pride. Or those "fruit pickers" in California getting paid US $0.05 cents per box picked.
On the other side are those that have "hatred," disgust, frustration, and other negative emotions from their USA experience that wasn't the dream they envisioned when they left their country for ours. This "hatred" can and does run deep and is what will get your a*s kicked when you visit / reside in their native country.
Just my 2 cents with change leftover.
DJ FourMoney
06-08-09, 21:49
I don't think BC hates America... People confuse criticism of America's social, cultural and foreign policy with hatred of America. I think that the Americans on this board can agree that America could be MUCH better than it currently is and it will take a generation or two to reach about 1/2 of that promise.
As long as GREED is the god of worship not much else will change.
As for "They Come To America..."
Like I said you trade "Quality of Life" for "Increased Wages". If you come to America already knowing the language, you've already won half the battle! There are pockets in our workforce that need to be filled by Immigrants because they aren't being filled by the native population for whatever reason.
An RN came into my store on Sunday looking for some 0w40 Mobil One. It was for her Porsche Boxster. Now that is the entry level Porsche of course, but still expensive. Nursing is still one sector undeserved as many work LONG hours, again effecting quality of life... For years Nursing was explained as a job for women only and wasn't widely open to men. When other career options opened up for Women, many stop going to school for Nursing, thus a shortage.
With the MILLIONS of cars on the road and the INCREASE in demand for Used Cars puts Mechanics at a premium as well.
So there are "holes" in the market for you to make money and earn a decent living by American standards.
Just don't expect to get rich overnight without some type of plan...
But you don't have to be "rich" to have a good life, because with more MONEY comes more problems, are you prepared to handle that?
Just don't expect to get rich overnight without some type of plan...
But you don't have to be "rich" to have a good life, because with more MONEY comes more problems, are you prepared to handle that?
A man the more bread you have the less shit you have to eat.
DJ FourMoney
06-08-09, 22:16
A man the more bread you have the less shit you have to eat.
I don't know about that....
My father came from rural Southeastern Texas, played HS football, joined the Army, went to Korea. Returned to move to California and work for PG&E where he stayed until a stroke forced him to stop working, though he was still employed at PG&E.
While still being payed by PG&E he played the ponies, the lottery, went to Reno and Vegas on a regular basis and traveled to Europe a few times.
He wasn't rich but borrowed against the house to buy his last new car, at a much lower interest rate than any credit union or bank will give you.
He owed very LITTLE. So much so that when we liquidated his assets, we paid everything off and PROFITED after his death.
He wasn't "Rich" by any means, but lived WITHIN those means. He had been paying child support since 1977 and my mother took him to court for back child support while she had been remarried by then.
You're life is what you make of it, having tons of money doesn't solve much. Does your quality of life improve living in the hills in a gated community where your neighbors are no more interested in getting to know you than they are in a typical suburb?
For me Quality of Life is not defined by how many zeros you have in your bank account. If you live largely debt free and work in a non stressful environment, have job security or are self employed; as long as you have money to do the things that you want, WHEN you want, there's no need for millions or even hundreds of thousands of dollars.
I have dealt with rich people, some are nice as pie, the majority aren't... and as the saying goes "Mean People Suck"
Well, I don't hate the US but I don't want to live there. It's okay for a lot of my friends because they don't seem to give a shit about pussy. There is my friend from college who just came down here and got his mind totally blown; he says his wife doesn't like sex. There is my friend of over 30 years who says his wife cut him off ten years ago. Then there is my AW friend who fucks me every time I am up there but won't fuck her BF because she says he is too fat. He has to know I am fucking her. These guys just accept this. I have no idea why.
It's funny because I work over the internet and I hardly ever see any of my "customers" but now they are videotaping the live sessions (okay, it's not videotape but it's some electronic medium) so just for laughs I watched the streaming video of the session from last week. The women look like wildebeests. I wonder if they have to use a special wide-angle lens. And they are all dressed like shit. They look like they got dumped out of a vacuum cleaner bag. There are two European women in the class and they just look so much better, it's unbelievable.
I mean, not everyone can be a 10 but women down here would never leave the house looking the way these hags do. I hate to say it but my sisters and my nieces look like shit too.
Down here I notice I can tell the gringas by the way they walk. It's not sexy at all. OTOH you could blindfold me and I could pick out the very sexy walk of my favorita down here, just by the sound of her shoes on the floor. She would never think of leaving the house without fixing her hair. She has a great ass and is well aware of this fact, and dresses to take full advantage. Of course she then "complains" that every guy on the street is checking out her ass.
American women don't understand what it takes to keep a man happy, and they don't really give a shit either.
American women don't understand what it takes to keep a man happy, and they don't really give a shit either.Yeap Yesterday I went to an Italian festival with one friend, he took his daughter there.
For me it was mostly for observation purposes, I do not even have any desire hooking up with local AW.
I would say that about 1 out of 10 women was kinda good looking. The rest 90% was rather ugly for my standards. And some were of really weird shape and gender. Pigs are much more beautiful than these creatures from yesterday.
Also some teen girls still had nice faces, but already chubby butts and legs of that shape formed by typical pizza/cola diet.
I tried to talk to few of those 10% better looking ones. Guess what kinda attitude they got. Most of them looked at me with that nasty look "WTF".
Only one girl managed to politely say "Hi". Some other reacted with one word 'What? "
I do not understand why people in this country are so unfriendly. They have jobs, food, money. They are supposed to be nice and happy.
When I'm in Colombia sometimes I talk to strangers and I get invited over to their table. Or once one women invited me to sit down with her daughter and her daughter's girlfriend. Just to talk. Not because they want my money as somebody would try to say. But here, in the USA girls look at me like I'm a maniac, that I wanna kill them. While in other countries I get smiles and greetings.
DJ FourMoney
06-09-09, 04:41
Well, I don't hate the US but I don't want to live there. It's okay for a lot of my friends because they don't seem to give a shit about pussy. There is my friend from college who just came down here and got his mind totally blown; he says his wife doesn't like sex. There is my friend of over 30 years who says his wife cut him off ten years ago. Then there is my AW friend who fucks me every time I am up there but won't fuck her BF because she says he is too fat. He has to know I am fucking her. These guys just accept this. I have no idea why.
It's funny because I work over the internet and I hardly ever see any of my "customers" but now they are videotaping the live sessions (okay, it's not videotape but it's some electronic medium) so just for laughs I watched the streaming video of the session from last week. The women look like wildebeests. I wonder if they have to use a special wide-angle lens. And they are all dressed like shit. They look like they got dumped out of a vacuum cleaner bag. There are two European women in the class and they just look so much better, it's unbelievable.
I mean, not everyone can be a 10 but women down here would never leave the house looking the way these hags do. I hate to say it but my sisters and my nieces look like shit too.
Down here I notice I can tell the gringas by the way they walk. It's not sexy at all. OTOH you could blindfold me and I could pick out the very sexy walk of my favorita down here, just by the sound of her shoes on the floor. She would never think of leaving the house without fixing her hair. She has a great ass and is well aware of this fact, and dresses to take full advantage. Of course she then "complains" that every guy on the street is checking out her ass.
American women don't understand what it takes to keep a man happy, and they don't really give a shit either.
Because the Feminazis have successfully told AW that to do the job men do, you have to dress like them so they will respect you and not look at you like an object. Okay let's get serious for a second, you can dress like a woman and be attractive and demand respect by EARNING it!
I don't know about other places, but in Hollywood, it doesn't like to surround itself with "ugly" women. So even assistants and other low level employees look great. I can only think of ONE instance of a Make up artist not being the most attractive woman on set in some cases.
Women are constantly wearing pants, so much so that when they appear in dresses, its like a special occasion and men on the street act like they haven't seen a set of legs before, breaking necks all over town.
Your right DH in the rest of the world, women would not THINK even ONCE of leaving the house with curlers in their hair, no makeup and frumpy clothing. Overweight women are few and far between, so much so you don't have to dread running into any.
A co-worker recently found his wife had been cheating on him with one of his friends. Now he express interest in going to Mexico when I go down again. Maybe I should send him your way DH, he has an Ebay business that does fairly well if he focuses solely on it.
DJ FourMoney
06-09-09, 05:03
Yeap Yesterday I went to an Italian festival with one friend, he took his daughter there.
For me it was mostly for observation purposes, I do not even have any desire hooking up with local AW.
I would say that about 1 out of 10 women was kinda good looking. The rest 90% was rather ugly for my standards. And some were of really weird shape and gender. Pigs are much more beautiful than these creatures from yesterday.
Also some teen girls still had nice faces, but already chubby butts and legs of that shape formed by typical pizza/cola diet.
I tried to talk to few of those 10% better looking ones. Guess what kinda attitude they got. Most of them looked at me with that nasty look "WTF".
Only one girl managed to politely say "Hi". Some other reacted with one word 'What? "
I do not understand why people in this country are so unfriendly. They have jobs, food, money. They are supposed to be nice and happy.
When I'm in Colombia sometimes I talk to strangers and I get invited over to their table. Or once one women invited me to sit down with her daughter and her daughter's girlfriend. Just to talk. Not because they want my money as somebody would try to say. But here, in the USA girls look at me like I'm a maniac, that I wanna kill them. While in other countries I get smiles and greetings.
You would THINK this would give most American Men a thought as to why. But it doesn't give men any sort of pause at all, they continue being clueless and only a few are successful; truly successful.
I walked up for information from two complete strangers, very attractive ones I might add in Europe and they were not fearful of their safety and was willing to help with a kind word and a smile. TRY THAT IN THE GOOD 'OL US of A.
Clandestine782
06-09-09, 06:38
Chocha Monger is correct!
The far majority of immigrants that come to USA are bottom-feeders. It will take them 2 or 3 generations to catch-up with the native populace.This is an example of people not knowing what they are talking about and saying it anyway. If you do some reading, you'll find that the average immigrant into the USA is actually a bit MORE educated than the general populace. I've been reading that Congress is trying to shorten the waiting time for scientists to come into the country, and so the fact that the average immigrant is more educated will only become more pronounced over time. What type of immigrant is under consideration also has something to do with how "high" or "low" they are on the working chain. Chinese people come in educated and already speaking English (mostly via Taiwan and HK, but also sometimes from the Mainland). Mexicans come in and do cheaper work. It's just an accident of history that it happens to be that way.
When people tell me that they have family members working in the USA, I immediately tell them that their family member(s) are struggling to survive.Again, it depends on who you know. If you know people that come from shitty jobs in Mexico/ other South American countries, then that will be your experience. But if you meet some businessman from Guangdong province who wants to open a factory in the US and have his children educated there, then you will have a very different experience.
US $8 per hour as a waiter is a lot in Latin America, but only US $320 per week in the USA. They are not even on our radar with monthly income of US $1,280 before taxes.Ok, so now what? Someone who is not educated has to make a living based on lower wages. This is not the first that that this has happened.
The USA is great at marketing illusions abroad.Not sure what you are talking about here. Are you saying that there is some department somewhere in the government that attends to marketing this image? Or is it (more likely) that some immigrants realize that they have a choice between jobs at low wages (in the USA) or no jobs at all (their current situation). This is the thing that people don't understand when they complain about companies exploiting this or that country. The option of the locals there is either jobs at low wages or no jobs at all.
What is impressive is how much pride these people (ie. ex-workers and family members) when telling their personal USA story. I remember living in Mexico City and a 50-year old Mexican guy who owned a printing store telling me that he "plucked" over 1,000 chickens per day as his job in Georgia. He had so much pride. Or those "fruit pickers" in California getting paid US $0.05 cents per box picked.Ok, so a man worked hard and made something of himself. Starting with nothing. This is a lot more impressive than listening to the self-complacent local people (in the USA) who think that the government should just provide EVERY SINGLE THING.
On the other side are those that have "hatred," disgust, frustration, and other negative emotions from their USA experience that wasn't the dream they envisioned when they left their country for ours. This "hatred" can and does run deep and is what will get your a*s kicked when you visit / reside in their native country.
Just my 2 cents with change leftover.I've lived abroad for many years and have never had this experience. What kind of places have you been going to?
You would THINK this would give most American Men a thought as to why. But it doesn't give men any sort of pause at all, they continue being clueless and only a few are successful; truly successful.
I walked up for information from two complete strangers, very attractive ones I might add in Europe and they were not fearful of their safety and was willing to help with a kind word and a smile. TRY THAT IN THE GOOD 'OL US of A.DJ, I do not even wanna try:)
So who are those few are successful? I know one really cool American guy, he is also pretty rich. When he traveled to some islands he did not even realize that he could meet girls for sex. He used to have an American girlfriend, but he changed to less than average looking EE girl and married her. I can only guess what kinda American girl he was with if he later switched to that EE chick. I would not do her for free, even if she paid me $1000. Oh well, I'd do her for 10K I guess;)
But anyway, I dunno, I guess this is cool for USA, but in my mind it is out of mind to be a multi-millionere young intelligent good-looking guy and not to be able to have fun with women. I also heard that they signed a prenap telling that if the guy cheats and they get divorced, she gets entitled to half of his stuff with no questions asked. I do not know how much it is true, this is what her girlfriend(shes is my ex) told me.
Starchild2012
06-09-09, 16:40
Chocha Monger is correct!
The far majority of immigrants that come to USA are bottom-feeders. It will take them 2 or 3 generations to catch-up with the native populace.
When people tell me that they have family members working in the USA, I immediately tell them that their family member(s) are struggling to survive.
US $8 per hour as a waiter is a lot in Latin America, but only US $320 per week in the USA. They are not even on our radar with monthly income of US $1,280 before taxes.
The USA is great at marketing illusions abroad.
What is impressive is how much pride these people (ie. ex-workers and family members) when telling their personal USA story. I remember living in Mexico City and a 50-year old Mexican guy who owned a printing store telling me that he "plucked" over 1,000 chickens per day as his job in Georgia. He had so much pride. Or those "fruit pickers" in California getting paid US $0.05 cents per box picked.
On the other side are those that have "hatred," disgust, frustration, and other negative emotions from their USA experience that wasn't the dream they envisioned when they left their country for ours. This "hatred" can and does run deep and is what will get your a*s kicked when you visit / reside in their native country.
Just my 2 cents with change leftover.
Wow..you are soo right....Its not only US but true for Canada, Australia and Europe. Indians now are feeling that illusion hitting them hard in Australia.
It basically ignorance that creeps people to think what it is not. I had a great illusion in college days to go far away land and do this and that. When i left the shores and visited few countries. All my illusion vanished. I had my going so well back in India, but i only value that now, when im away.
ohh man what have i done..:(
I think its all Psycological and a grand play of the divine or more its ones destiny or stupidity..
The answers were there already, but our mind ignores it. I might have read your similar statement well before i made the decision to go abraod. But no the mind plays tricks and will win at the end...one does not know what is good for it untill its too late.
People get wiser when they grew old, for some its too late.....everyone is created equal by nature so is every place...this grand illusion called earth we are all puppets.
or i thought i put it this way...if i haven't visted countries ..i wouldnt have appriciated how much i had got all these years when i was complaining all the time...this struggle of thought works both ways and its also true that i learned a lot from people visting other countries so cant complain really on that front.
Better, Im just a confused monger who thinks more from Dick than mind ..all my life decision were to accumulate as much p ussy as a man can in his lifetime...everything else were secondary.
Starchild2012
06-09-09, 16:56
I don't know about the ultra rich in the US vs the ultra rich in Colombia. In the US all the money in the world really doesn't buy shit. No matter how upmarket you go, the food still sucks, the lifestyle still sucks, and you suffer. Not to mention NO ONE in the US gets to be truly idle and relax. The real rich areas to live in here are so expensive that you are GUARANTEED a lifetime of toil if you live there, almost no matter how much you make.
Its soo trueeee....For a long time i was juggling with this fact to be true or not.
I can relate to it, its the middle class that always suffers be it in the US or India or Philiphines...its always the rich versus poor.....media hype it up...no one listens to the middle class guys problems...they think we have it all.
On the contrary, middle class people suffers on a twin side both mentally and physically....Columbia is my next stop hehehe..as you say it seems good enough :)
Bango Cheito
06-10-09, 05:34
In Colombia, if you are real smart and determined with a dash of ruthlessness, you WILL succeed there and make good money. If you are lazy or stupid you will get chewed up and spit out so fast it would make your head spin.
The problem is that many Americans have no idea how incompetent they really are.
Jelly Donut
06-10-09, 23:57
The problem is that many Americans have no idea how incompetent they really are.
I don't really want to use the term "venomous", cause it implies a snake, and personally I think it's great you are making it happen in Colombia. Having read your posts for some time, you have some useful contrasts and observations.
I guess I figure anyone who celebrates a "dash of ruthlessness" probably is not going to get worked up over a snake reference anyway. So, I'm curious about why you are so venomous in your language.
The language you are using actually makes me think that your circumstances are more about not being in the United States and less about being in Colombia. There's a lot of anger in the expressions.
I understand, sometimes people are happy only in contrast to something else, but I see this as "the lottery effect" - people are happy when they win, but generally return to thier normal state of contentment after a couple of years.
How long have you been away from the United States?
I'd like to move to Colombia or some place like it, but not because I've got a bunch of acid for life in the United States. American women are what they are; I've got a mother and two sisters and it's not like I'm at war with my tribe.
Sorry - but I'll take this shot - If you could not find good food or live a life of personal choice (e.g. without a car) in one of the most abundant countries in history, well, it raises some questions here about how you measure competence.
Not that I want to get in a pissing contest over it. It just seems a little odd. I don't have anywhere near that level of discontent with American culture.
I don't know. Maybe you are using this language to self-motivate, that's understandable, but I'd say it suggests the only way any American could be happy in Colombia is in contrast with a bad experience with American Women or a general dislike of American culture. What do you think?
"American Culture" is an oxymoron.
Legal Tender
06-11-09, 02:55
I don't really want to use the term "venomous", cause it implies a snake, and personally I think it's great you are making it happen in Colombia. Having read your posts for some time, you have some useful contrasts and observations.
I guess I figure anyone who celebrates a "dash of ruthlessness" probably is not going to get worked up over a snake reference anyway. So, I'm curious about why you are so venomous in your language.
The language you are using actually makes me think that your circumstances are more about not being in the United States and less about being in Colombia. There's a lot of anger in the expressions.
I understand, sometimes people are happy only in contrast to something else, but I see this as "the lottery effect" - people are happy when they win, but generally return to thier normal state of contentment after a couple of years.
How long have you been away from the United States?
I'd like to move to Colombia or some place like it, but not because I've got a bunch of acid for life in the United States. American women are what they are; I've got a mother and two sisters and it's not like I'm at war with my tribe.
Sorry - but I'll take this shot - If you could not find good food or live a life of personal choice (e.g. without a car) in one of the most abundant countries in history, well, it raises some questions here about how you measure competence.
Not that I want to get in a pissing contest over it. It just seems a little odd. I don't have anywhere near that level of discontent with American culture.
I don't know. Maybe you are using this language to self-motivate, that's understandable, but I'd say it suggests the only way any American could be happy in Colombia is in contrast with a bad experience with American Women or a general dislike of American culture. What do you think?
I think this is one of the most insightful posts that this thread has seen in a long time. We only have two base emotions: fear and love. Hate, disgust, lack of compassion and contempt are rooted in fear. I love the U.S. I just happen to love women of all different cultures. American women have no competition. It is similar to the medical profession: many U.S. citizens are going abroad for surgical procedure at less than 50% of the costs in the states. Let's focus on loving and leave the hate to others. Let's not be haters here. My friends we are all blessed. We have today.
Bango Cheito
06-11-09, 03:57
I really don't want to discuss my personal life on the board. It's much less personal than you may think. It's just observations.
Like I said Americans have their heads in the sand about how fucked up the US has really become. It makes me angry because I love what the US USED to stand for. I love the IDEAL of it, which makes me really really angry to see how it's falling terminally short these days.
I wasn't about to starve to death in the US. But I DO believe I'm avoiding a MAJOR meltdown here by moving away.
I have been living in Colombia for 10 months now, and this is my second time back visiting.
The point of all this is, I think that a lot of the ranting on here about AW applies to the whole CULTURE (oxymoron!) in general, and people are technically correct, but they are being incredibly myopic. The root of the problem and indeed the symptoms go way beyond bitchy frigid women.
One of the things that really shocks me is just how bad peoples' HEALTH is here compared to where I live now, for example. Life really takes its toll on people physically here.
The US has lost its way as far as lifestyle is concerned. Workaholicism, long commutes, way too busy, eating fast food on the run instead of sitting down to a well-prepared meal, overscheduled children, and way too much stress. I lay much of the blame on consumerism. You add to that the erosion of civil rights and the imposition of a police state (Obama is reversing this to some degree), then you layer on 10% unemployment (really probably higher since the way they calculate the rate is pretty bogus) and it's not the place to be right now. Every empire self-destructs.
In my lifetime I have also seen the US educational system undergo substantial deterioration and since I work in that sector I am not just blowing smoke. Look at the incarceration rate. It's unbelievable. Some of that is racist in nature (although I find the US much less racist than almost any other place I've been but then again I'm white) but some of it is just bullshit.
I look at my friends who are still in the US and they have all this STUFF like ATVs and skis and bikes and roller blades and fancy kitchens and they don't have any time to enjoy them. Boats, even. You know how a boat costs to maintain and insure? And you use it what, four times a year? Please.
I know people who have second homes to which they retreat on the weekends. Let's do that math. Get home at 8 PM Friday after a stressful week, pack, drive two or three more hours, arrive exhausted, spend a day and a half, drive back Sunday, lather, rinse, repeat. Not too relaxing.
So I got a job I can do from anywhere and I make maybe $45k a year (it varies) and that is chump change in the US. But here, I can live quite well. Why do I want to be there? I don't. This place is an ethnic melting pot similar to the US except they don't let in a bunch of useless refugees, so you have every skin color and every eye color and every body type. I will tell you that when an Italian knocks up a mestiza those kids turn out pretty cute. Plenty of Asians here for when I get yellow fever and if I hunger for chocolate there are Dominicanas and Brazilenas.
And hamburger, which is subsidized by the government, is 86 cents a pound and doesn't smell raunchy like in the US, It's free range grass fed cattle. Poor people have way more dignity here as well, such as the right to sleep in the doorways of closed businesses.
I'm in my 50s and I trace the root of the deterioration of the US to the Vietnam War. Nobody ever looked at us the same after that. Then we tried to overcompensate for that debacle with shit like Kuwait and Afghanistan and Iraq, It didn't work. I am an American to my core but I don't support these ridiculous imperialist forays.
So, I am happy in Latin America where the corruption is much more overt and manageable. The women here want to fuck. The women there want to think up reasons not to fuck. And quite frankly, a lot of American men have lost interest in fucking. It's quite an asexual place, the US, compared to almost anywhere else.
I don't really want to use the term "venomous", cause it implies a snake, and personally I think it's great you are making it happen in Colombia. Having read your posts for some time, you have some useful contrasts and observations.
I guess I figure anyone who celebrates a "dash of ruthlessness" probably is not going to get worked up over a snake reference anyway. So, I'm curious about why you are so venomous in your language.
The language you are using actually makes me think that your circumstances are more about not being in the United States and less about being in Colombia. There's a lot of anger in the expressions.
I understand, sometimes people are happy only in contrast to something else, but I see this as "the lottery effect" - people are happy when they win, but generally return to thier normal state of contentment after a couple of years.
How long have you been away from the United States?
I'd like to move to Colombia or some place like it, but not because I've got a bunch of acid for life in the United States. American women are what they are; I've got a mother and two sisters and it's not like I'm at war with my tribe.
Sorry - but I'll take this shot - If you could not find good food or live a life of personal choice (e.g. without a car) in one of the most abundant countries in history, well, it raises some questions here about how you measure competence.
Not that I want to get in a pissing contest over it. It just seems a little odd. I don't have anywhere near that level of discontent with American culture.
I don't know. Maybe you are using this language to self-motivate, that's understandable, but I'd say it suggests the only way any American could be happy in Colombia is in contrast with a bad experience with American Women or a general dislike of American culture. What do you think?
Thank you, Thank you.
This board has turned into nothing but American bashing and it’s disgusting especially coming from...well Americans. I had it rough with American women, grew up in one of America's most notorious ghettos but I still can't believe the level of hate on this board. American women are worthless; Americans are stupid, American culture is an oxymoron, blah blah blah. I am a Black so I have million reasons to sit here all day and post anti-American shit but this is unreal.
I live in what would be described by most as a sexual paradise but if I was filthy rich I am talking like multi-millionaire rich no way I would be living in the country I live now. I would be right in the US.
My above average salary provides an above average life (and other personal reasons) is the reason why I stay. Why the “shakers and movers” are are not flocking to leave the US if it is so bad?
I was one of these guys complaining all the time. Man you have to invest in yourself. In America you can’t be the sex tourist with a couple of dollars in your hand and think you’re going to get laid on the regular and have great life. Even in the country where I live if you want a decent woman one that is not hooking with a decent job you going to have to invest in yourself and in her time/dating it’s just that simple.
Well, get used to it. Get ready to see a lot more U.S bashing in the future. America will be blamed for the coming meltdown of the World's Financial system. American Financial institutions created and sold Toxic Financial products all over the world. Why? Pure Greed. Now these assholes(Bankers) want to be bailed out with our hard earned money. They take our money and give themselves huge bonuses in effect socializing the losses and keeping the profits. We ain't seen nothing yet. This is the calm before the storm.
When Americans wake up and realize how much they have been shafted up the ass, then the knives and pitch forks will come out...it's only a matter of time
Thank you, Thank you.
This board has turned into nothing but American bashing and it’s disgusting especially coming from...well Americans. I had it rough with American women, grew up in one of America's most notorious ghettos but I still can't believe the level of hate on this board. American women are worthless; Americans are stupid, American culture is an oxymoron, blah blah blah. I am a Black so I have million reasons to sit here all day and post anti-American shit but this is unreal.
Bango Cheito
06-12-09, 15:56
Oh, but they ARE leaving. Dickhead and I left already, didn't we? We have almost nothing but positive to report from Latin America. In my case, I'm even doing well on the local economy, better than I ever did in the US when you consider how cheap it is to live where I live now.
Like I said before, I'm not saying ANYTHING that you wouldn't hear from the mouth of almost any Colombian living in the US, or any Dominican, Mexican, Brazilian (however FEW there are left here), Nigerian, Indian, Jamaican, etc. They just won't say it to the average Joe here because they don't trust him enough to tell the truth. The ones you REALLY won't hear from are the ones who have already left. People assume people come to the US and never leave, nothing could be further from the truth!
My personal hope is that the US turns itself around and goes back to being more like the country it once was. I just don't see much hope though, part of the problem is PEOPLE REFUSE TO THINK THERES ANYTHING MAJORLY WRONG. The denial here is absolutely incredible.
Anyways, enjoy your mongering trips before the hyperinflation kicks in and your dollars wind up worthless. That's not just trying to be nasty either, it's a warning!
Bango, I agree with all you have said. Most immigrants who arrive here, falsely think U.S streets are paved with Gold, only to realize that it ain't so. You can blame Hollywood for this false portrayal of how the average U.S. Joe really lives. Right now, you have immigrants who were practicing Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers, Teachers, etc in their own countries and are now Cooks, Cleaners, Taxi Cab drivers etc in the U.S.A....IT'S TRUE.
The same also applies in Europe (UK, Germany Austria, France, Spain, Switzerland, The Netherlands etc.)
Oh, but they ARE leaving. Dickhead and I left already, didn't we? We have almost nothing but positive to report from Latin America. In my case, I'm even doing well on the local economy, better than I ever did in the US when you consider how cheap it is to live where I live now.
Like I said before, I'm not saying ANYTHING that you wouldn't hear from the mouth of almost any Colombian living in the US, or any Dominican, Mexican, Brazilian (however FEW there are left here), Nigerian, Indian, Jamaican, etc. They just won't say it to the average Joe here because they don't trust him enough to tell the truth. The ones you REALLY won't hear from are the ones who have already left. People assume people come to the US and never leave, nothing could be further from the truth!
My personal hope is that the US turns itself around and goes back to being more like the country it once was. I just don't see much hope though, part of the problem is PEOPLE REFUSE TO THINK THERES ANYTHING MAJORLY WRONG. The denial here is absolutely incredible.
Anyways, enjoy your mongering trips before the hyperinflation kicks in and your dollars wind up worthless. That's not just trying to be nasty either, it's a warning!
I agree with all you have said. Most immigrants who arrive here, falsely think U.S streets are paved with Gold only to realize that it ain't so. You can blame Hollywood for this false portrayal of how the average U.S. Joe really lives. Right now, you have immigrants who were practicing Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers, Teachers, etc in their own countries and are now Cooks, Cleaners, Taxi Cab drivers etc in the U.S.A....IT'S TRUE.
The same can be said of countries in Europe (UK, Germany Austria, France, Spain, Switzerland, The Netherlands etc.)Yes and no. Yes, many immigrant are starting from simple jobs and then some go up. It also depends on the immigrant's age. For older ones it is much more difficult. One my friend started washing toilets, now is making 100's K and has a photo model wife. But he's rather an exception. Also there are many other immigrants, especially illegals, spending years in ghetto, doing construction or cleaning work, they live worse than in their homeland, also many sending money back and planning to go back after sometime.
I've been in the USA for 10+ years and about to leave too. Although I know that still very many immigrants do like USA and are actually very successful and seem to be happy. Immigrants are different. Many are just very happy that they have a lot of money and can buy "stuff". I'm also considered successful, but I see no use of my success, not interested in buying more stuff at all. And/Or spending all money and time on one stupid biyotch(the significant other:)). I do not have much other choice in the USA. For different reasons, mainly because of the crazy busy everybody's lifestyle and of course here is very limited choice of available women.
I believe everybody has it's own point of view. Here we are talking from a mongers point of view or as a somebody who's priority is to have access to many beautiful women.
However many immigrants do not care about this. Or have no idea that it is possible - the same as many Americans do. Many immigrants love America because now they can have a lot of food, cars, and houses.
I consider Hollywood as the biggest and very successful USA's marketing campaign. They succeeded so much to bullshit the whole world that most people believe whatever they see in movies, so they try to imitate Americans in the movies and many want to move to USA, but then of course they realize that it can be very different from what they had seen in the movies.
Also one of the reasons why many girls overseas are so sexy is because they have seen a bunch American movies with hot horny American girls who want to have sex all the time, so foreign girls wanted to imitate Americans without realizing that it was bullshit. Now there are many those talk/reality and other bullshit shows which copy American shows.
Still even now some people watch MTV clips and automatically think that everybody in USA is beautiful, happy and girls are hot and horny. One guy from a FSU country told me that his dream is to move to USA and hang out with black guys - He likes to watch MTV clips where black guys sing, dance and hang out with model girls all the time. So this guy think if he moves to USA he's gonna do the same and those model girls will be all over him. But we who're already in the USA actually need to move out for the same purpose:) that's funny. The guys does not appreciate where he lives. When I visited him, we fucked about 5-6 girls in a few days. I don't think he would be able to do even one of them if he were in the USA.
Regardless of American Women or whether the US does or does not suck, the experience of living in another country deepens you, broadens you, enriches you, and changes you. I've now lived in the US, México, Germany, and the United Kingdom, in addition to Argentina. I also spent a couple of months living like a local in Colombia and Ireland although I still had roots elsewhere so it would be a stretch to say I lived in those places. It's made me more tolerant, more flexible, more imaginative, more resourceful, and I dare say more interesting.
So develop several skills and emphasize skills that are as portable as possible. Obviously learn at least one more language. When you travel, for any stay of more than a few days, rent an apartment and use public transportation. Hotels suck anyway and taxis and rental cars are major sources of headaches and problems, and are much more dangerous. Study and research your destinations before you go there. Don't just show up. Any fool can do that.
But don't live in the United Kingdom because it combines all the disadvantages of the US with horrible food, awful weather and tremendous overcrowding. Plus it's expensive as hell. No offense to the Brits out there but go to the fucking dentist for Christ's sakes, and put the beer in the fridge and not in the god damn oven.
ThatGuy865
06-13-09, 05:10
Man you guys must be crazy thinking Americans are moving out in any great numbers.
Its the same 5 to 10 guys on this site talking about their great life living in another country and how hard they had trying to make it in america.
America has more people trying to get into it legally or illegally than any other country in the world.
For every 1 guys who leaves there are a thousand standing in line to take their place. People come to america because its the land of opportunity. One of the few countries where a person can come with nothing on their back and become successful. America has more rags to riches stories than any other country on earth. Not to mention some of the sexiest, independent, educated women.
Is america perfect, no but there are very few countries which offer all the opportunities which america does. But move out if you like, I'm sure there will be plenty of foreigners who will be happy to replace you.
Cya and have a good life.
Bango Cheito
06-13-09, 06:17
I agree. I really REALLY think that if everybody on this board who didn't speak at least two languages learned just one other language, the whole tone of this thread would be completely different. Speaking one language only incredibly limits you as a human being. I speak five languages now and I'm not gonna stop until I've learned at least four more.
Chocha Monger
06-13-09, 19:57
Americans are leaving the US in increasing numbers.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/2008/07/28/a-growing-trend-of-leaving-america.html
Skilled/educated immigrants certainly are returning to their home countries.
http://www.upi.com/Business_News/2009/03/02/Skilled-immigrants-leaving-US/UPI-47301236041745/
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/02/the-real-high-tech-immigrant-problem-theyre-leaving/
http://www.kauffman.org/uploadedFiles/americas_loss.pdf
Even unskilled and illegal immigrants are leaving.
http://www.polishnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=782:polish-immigrants-are-leaving-usa-&catid=82:news-from-usa-wiadomosci-z-usa-usa&Itemid=199
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/10/immigrants.economy/
Chocha Monger
06-13-09, 20:04
Man you guys must be crazy thinking Americans are moving out in any great numbers.
Its the same 5 to 10 guys on this site talking about their great life living in another country and how hard they had trying to make it in america.
America has more people trying to get into it legally or illegally than any other country in the world.
For every 1 guys who leaves there are a thousand standing in line to take their place. People come to america because its the land of opportunity. One of the few countries where a person can come with nothing on their back and become successful. America has more rags to riches stories than any other country on earth. Not to mention some of the sexiest, independent, educated women.
Is america perfect, no but there are very few countries which offer all the opportunities which america does. But move out if you like, I'm sure there will be plenty of foreigners who will be happy to replace you.
Cya and have a good life.
"Are rich Americans leaving, or planning to leave, the country? Consider a poll conducted by Zogby International which asked adult Americans if they had ever considered moving outside the United States. The survey, which had more than 115,000 respondents, excluded anyone relocating offshore for less than two years and anyone who relocated because of government requirements, the military or their jobs. Bob Bauman of offshore experts The Sovereign Society wrote on October 16:
The Zogby results are shocking – especially compared to the entire U.S. population (now about 303,116,000). The numbers below are for households, not individuals.
• 1.6 million U.S. households already decided to move offshore and are headed in that direction.
• Another 1.8 million households are seriously considering moving and are likely to do it. Many have taken preliminary steps.
• 7.7 million households are “somewhat seriously” considering moving and “may” do it.
• Nearly 3 million households are seriously considering buying a vacation home or other property outside the United States. Another 10 million are “somewhat” seriously considering it.
This means that almost 10% of U.S. households are considering leaving the country. Another 10% are considering living outside the country part-time. Most analysts are ignoring this silent massive emigration.
These would-be emigrant households plan to spend an average of US$260,000 on buying or building a house. They’re also planning to spend at least US$36,000 annually on living expenses outside the United States.
In total, they represent hundreds of billions of dollars leaving the U.S. economy each year.
Bauman quoted John Gaver of ActionAmerica.org, who said:
The problem is that increasingly, the wealthy perceive that they are under attack by their own government and they are taking the only rational option left open to them. They’re taking their wealth and leaving.
And regarding the number of wealthy Americans who have already left the country, Bauman wrote:
Every year, about 250,000 U.S. citizens and resident aliens leave America to make a new home in some other nation.
In 2005, the U.S. Bureau of the Census upped this estimate. They guessed that over 350,000 U.S. citizens and resident aliens would leave the United States permanently.
On February 15, John Gaver wrote in a piece on ActionAmerica.org:
Wealthy US citizens continue to leave the US at an alarming rate…
Tax haven countries are recording significantly larger numbers of US applicants for permanent residence or second citizenship every year. Keep in mind that most of those expats are wealthy, since poor people can’t afford to leave. In fact, millions of poor people risk their lives in the back of trailers or crossing Arizona desert every year, to take advantage of our increasing welfare state. It is the wealthy, who are leaving and they represent lost US investment dollars and subsequently, LOST US JOBS…"
http://www.boom2bust.com/2008/06/13/are-rich-americans-leaving-the-country/
Well, if this data is correct, America is screwed even more than I ever could have imagined. Folks it's simple, the World lent us cheap dollars to spend and do what ever the heck we wanted. The World now realizes, America, the World's largest debtor nation has no chance in hell of paying off her debts. America's standard of living is going to fall big time.......the Rich folk understand what's going to happen and are getting out while the "getting" is good.
"Are rich Americans leaving, or planning to leave, the country? Consider a poll conducted by Zogby International which asked adult Americans if they had ever considered moving outside the United States. The survey, which had more than 115,000 respondents, excluded anyone relocating offshore for less than two years and anyone who relocated because of government requirements, the military or their jobs. Bob Bauman of offshore experts The Sovereign Society wrote on October 16:
The Zogby results are shocking – especially compared to the entire U.S. population (now about 303,116,000). The numbers below are for households, not individuals.
• 1.6 million U.S. households already decided to move offshore and are headed in that direction.
• Another 1.8 million households are seriously considering moving and are likely to do it. Many have taken preliminary steps.
• 7.7 million households are “somewhat seriously” considering moving and “may” do it.
• Nearly 3 million households are seriously considering buying a vacation home or other property outside the United States. Another 10 million are “somewhat” seriously considering it.
This means that almost 10% of U.S. households are considering leaving the country. Another 10% are considering living outside the country part-time. Most analysts are ignoring this silent massive emigration.
These would-be emigrant households plan to spend an average of US$260,000 on buying or building a house. They’re also planning to spend at least US$36,000 annually on living expenses outside the United States.
In total, they represent hundreds of billions of dollars leaving the U.S. economy each year.
Bauman quoted John Gaver of ActionAmerica.org, who said:
The problem is that increasingly, the wealthy perceive that they are under attack by their own government and they are taking the only rational option left open to them. They’re taking their wealth and leaving.
And regarding the number of wealthy Americans who have already left the country, Bauman wrote:
Every year, about 250,000 U.S. citizens and resident aliens leave America to make a new home in some other nation.
In 2005, the U.S. Bureau of the Census upped this estimate. They guessed that over 350,000 U.S. citizens and resident aliens would leave the United States permanently.
On February 15, John Gaver wrote in a piece on ActionAmerica.org:
Wealthy US citizens continue to leave the US at an alarming rate…
Tax haven countries are recording significantly larger numbers of US applicants for permanent residence or second citizenship every year. Keep in mind that most of those expats are wealthy, since poor people can’t afford to leave. In fact, millions of poor people risk their lives in the back of trailers or crossing Arizona desert every year, to take advantage of our increasing welfare state. It is the wealthy, who are leaving and they represent lost US investment dollars and subsequently, LOST US JOBS…"
http://www.boom2bust.com/2008/06/13/are-rich-americans-leaving-the-country/
ThatGuy865
06-14-09, 03:23
Those articles use word such as "Considering" or "Somewhat considering" that is a big difference from actually doing it.
Only 1.6 million have actually done anything, which is a small number like less than 1% of americans.
They also included americans who were "thinking" about "vacation homes" also.
Shit I have considered buying an expensive sports car plenty of times. Seriously considered living in a trailer home. But never have done either. Plenty of people consider and contemplate plenty of things that they never will do. If that is what you take in to consideration, you can find millions of people who consider about anything.
This alone tells this was written by someone who had his own agenda to make it look like more americans are leaving than reality.
While I do believe more americans than in the past have moved out of america. It has nothing to do with more being disgruntled with america. Its that the internet has made it easier to live anywhere while getting paid in american dollars. So one can live abroad for a few years and easily come back to america with a business still intact. This is what I feel a lot of the young entrepenuers are doing. Not because they are disgruntled with america but that they have the ability now to travel the world and experience new cultures while still earning a decent living.
Something which was almost impossible to do before the creation of the internet. Before then only children of the wealthy had that capability. They would backpack europe for a few years then come back and settle in. Now anyone with a sense of adventure and a business mind can do the same via the internet.
Its about being able to travel and see the world and not about escaping the USA
Engine Driver
06-14-09, 11:19
80% of Americans don't have passports and 90% of them have no concept of geography.....
Wanderer1000
06-15-09, 00:27
Due to the large number of immigrants that come here to work for a long time, and have in the back of their mind to save money and retire in their native country, I'm surprised the household number isn't higher.
OK, let's take a survey. How many of the guys on the board who have left the US did it for reasons other than being disgruntled with America? Hint: not me. It's true I work over the internet earning US dollars but that was not the case when I left; I took a traditional face-to-face job when I left. And, I would have left even without a job.
For those who are considering expatriating themselves, let me give an additional piece of advice: have a portable trade. I myself am a skilled professional cook and I can make a shitty living doing that pretty much anywhere. I worked at a couple of restaurants here in Buenos Aires to get extra cash, and also to keep my skills sharp in case my internet job went away.
I had already "traveled and seen the world." In fact, I have traveled less since I left the US!
ThatGuy865
06-15-09, 02:57
Due to the large number of immigrants that come here to work for a long time, and have in the back of their mind to save money and retire in their native country, I'm surprised the household number isn't higher.I believe at first a lot of immigrants do have that idea in mind. But after settling into the American lifestyle, their kids growing up american, quite a few never return. Whether its because they become settled into the community, making friends that they don't want to leave. Their kids growing up in America and the kids not wanting to leave, since they know nothing about their original country. All this contributes to them changing their minds and making America their home. Especially Those who are able to make it in america tend to stay in america which are the majority. Those who have a hard time and never really prosper are more likely to return.
OK, let's take a survey. How many of the guys on the board who have left the US did it for reasons other than being disgruntled with America? Hint: not me. It's true I work over the internet earning US dollars but that was not the case when I left; I took a traditional face-to-face job when I left. And, I would have left even without a job.
I had already "traveled and seen the world." In fact, I have traveled less since I left the US!
I left for other reasons....
This is the same guy who says he is not a sex addict. So basically your sole motivation for moving overseas was pussy? Pussy caused you to be disgruntled as you just told us money was not the issue?
Well, I don't hate the US but I don't want to live there. It's okay for a lot of my friends because they don't seem to give a shit about pussy. There is my friend from college who just came down here and got his mind totally blown; he says his wife doesn't like sex. There is my friend of over 30 years who says his wife cut him off ten years ago. Then there is my AW friend who fucks me every time I am up there but won't fuck her BF because she says he is too fat. He has to know I am fucking her. These guys just accept this. I have no idea why
Your first point is excellent and is one of the reasons I feel marriage is an anachronism. On your second point, I don't really list mongering among my hobbies. It's more the way I deal with my physical needs. So, regarding your third point, sure, sex is not necessary for survival but I'd rather be dead than go without it
I don't know about you guys but I like, totally, um, don't want to have to, like, go back there.[United States]
When I was younger, I used to put pussy ahead of money and career but I did not know why. Now that I am much older I still put pussy ahead of money and career but now I know exactly why: Pussy will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no pussy.
Being a "marriage-minded monger" is about the most dangerous thing I can think of.
Well, it is now six years since I bailed out of the US and I gotta say, for anyone who really feels that sex is an important part of their life, it's the only way to go. Is it risky? Yes. Do you have balls? Then take the risk. Are there some adjustments to be made, some problems that come up, and some bumps in the road? Yes. Is it a challenge to make a living?
No, creeping fascism is what caused me to leave the US permanently. Read: Bush, Cheney, Tom Tancredo, Marilyn Musgrave, etc. A secondary factor was the overly rushed lifestyle and focus on consumerism. If it had just been that the pussy scene sucks for a single older guy, which it really, really does, I would have just kept traveling and mongering like I had been doing.
Is that clear?
A secondary factor was the overly rushed lifestyle and focus on consumerism.For me it's the factor#1 for most of the problems.
If it had just been that the pussy scene sucks for a single older guy, which it really, really does,Haha, I would add the pussy scene in USA sucks for everybody. But of course just few realize that. Many young guys only bullshit about pussy all the time but almost never get it. I have seen this bullshit when went to college.
I left for other reasons....
This is the same guy who says he is not a sex addict. So basically your sole motivation for moving overseas was pussy? Pussy caused you to be disgruntled as you just told us money was not the issue?
How about: “The desire for freedom made him leave” ?
Can´t detect any ignorance in there… or are you supporting the sexual prohibition in the US ?
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Earlier I called something Illogic said "flat out ignorant" so I am sure this is just payback for that. I don't remember what it was he said any more. My biggest single motivation was a desire not to pay taxes to support the war in Iraq. You have to be out of the country 11 months a year (330 full days) to accomplish that.
CastOnThis
06-15-09, 19:44
No, creeping fascism is what caused me to leave the US permanently. Read: Bush, Cheney, Tom Tancredo, Marilyn Musgrave, etc. A secondary factor was the overly rushed lifestyle and focus on consumerism. If it had just been that the pussy scene sucks for a single older guy, which it really, really does, I would have just kept traveling and mongering like I had been doing.
Is that clear?Thank God, I still am young. But the pussy scene here sucks for me. I was in europe and I had sex with more girls in one month than I ever had for 23yrs here in the US.
Thank God, I still am young. But the pussy scene here sucks for me. I was in europe and I had sex with more girls in one month than I ever had for 23yrs here in the US.
I agree it sucks. That's why many American guys get fooled into getting married, only to find American gals are not at all interested in sex. Thank goodness I found the escort scene, if not I would've been in a world of hurt. I mean.....dick falling off, due to lack of use, kinda hurt.
How about: “The desire for freedom made him leave” ?
Can´t detect any ignorance in there… or are you supporting the sexual prohibition in the US ?
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In no way am I supporting the draconian laws governing the sex industry in the US but at the same time in the country where I live prostitution is so rampant it can be depressing sometime. I was offered a girl working behind the counter of Seven Eleven by a guy yesterday morning.
I monger but what type of person would wish this as I just described above on his own country….
I called another prominent poster on this..... as leaving behind everything you know only to move to another country for pussy IMHO is silly…to each his own but living in a foreign country is not all peaches and cream, jealous locals, rogue cops, laws governing foreigners etc….and I sure wouldn’t do it while having to scrounge for money its ridiculous.
"I monger but what type of person would wish this as I just described above on his own country…."
ME! ME! ME! I would like it. You talk about a 7-11. I think pussy should be on a rack by the door just like Slim Jims. You live in the PI, right? Never been there. But that is the Third World. I am in the Second World. In five + years I have never been hassled by a cop here. That is as opposed to my native US where they kicked me down a flight of stairs with my hands cuffed behind my back, and where I spent 17 days in jail for armed robbery when I was 100% innocent (not really the cops' fault; long story), and where I was taken to de-tox 15 miles away with my hands AGAIN cuffed behind my back for drunk walking. And where I was I subject to illegal search and seizure and the cop said: "It'll be illegal search and SQUEEZure of your neck if you don't shut the fuck up." Shit like that. Oh yeah and in my first job out of college a co-worker was upset about an assignment she couldn't figure out and I put my HAND on her SHOULDER to EMPATHIZE and was accused of sexual harassment. FUCK a whole bunch of THAT shit!
The locals are not jealous. People here don't want to move to the US and don't want a work-centered life style.
What is depressing about going into a 7-11 and being offered the opportunity to fuck someone? You don't want to do it, use the Nancy Reagan D.A.R.E approach and "just say no."
Laws governing foreigners? Not here, baby. I don't need residency or paperwork or nothin' like that. It's ALL peaches and cream. The peaches here are good (seriously, good fruit here but the veggies suck) and the cream is great (excellent dairy products). And you can cream on the peaches if you know what I mean.
Some fucks just don't do their homework. I did my homework and I paid my dues and although I am not "scrounging money" down here I would rather be flat-ass broke down here than have the middle-class lifestyle I had up there. I think the jealous one is you, baby. You picked the wrong place!
You talk about "leaving behind everything you know." That implies not knowing jack shit beyond the US. I would counter that leaving behind everything you know is very liberating. Powerful men have been doing that for thousands of years. This is a good thing for the gene pool among other considerations.
70% of the gringos I know here pursue a lifestyle where they have to change as little as possible. Those guys are the ones who might have issues with some of the things you are talking about. Instead, practice cultural immersion. That is the way to go!
Peace out,
DH
Neon Noodle
06-16-09, 02:41
Wow this is a heated debate for sure. Only things I will add were some things Bill Maher said on his show. He said one of the main problems with the U.S. is nobody really cares about each other here. Were too consumed to make more and more money. He talked about how in Iraq they used cheap wiring in the showers for our soldiers and i think like 3 died. All so a company can save money and profit.
Its greed is whats making things bad here, and it will in my opinion make things worse here. People will sue anyone for anything these days too. Google Capt Crunch Berries lawsuit for a prime example. Nobody takes responsibility for themselves anymore either or anyone else.
No I never lived outside the U.S. before but traveled outside more than a few times, and would love to move to another country some day.
Bango Cheito
06-16-09, 06:33
I just want to reinforce everything Dickhead has said. I'm constantly reading about all the supposed problems of moving to Colombia, but in my case it really has been very painless in terms of paperwork and getting myself established etc. The huge difference is, I learned the local language and culture as much as I could before ever showing up there, much less moving there.
And the concept that one can only earn any decent money in the US is outdated and laughable, to say the least. I've personally proven that one wrong as can be in the past 10 months.
"I monger but what type of person would wish this as I just described above on his own country…."
ME! ME! ME! I would like it. You talk about a 7-11. I think pussy should be on a rack by the door just like Slim Jims.
This is just pathetic. Pussy is not some item to be sold off to highest bidder. It belongs to women, a breathing fucking human being. Get a grip….I would hate it if the US as where I live selling pussy was one of the only ways to make a decent living. I would hate if I found a relative of mine sucked dick and took it up the ass from deranged senior citizens because they didn’t have a choice. One point for hated US for making this not the case.
" You live in the PI, right? Never been there. But that is the Third World. I am in the Second World. In five + years I have never been hassled by a cop here. That is as opposed to my native US where they kicked me down a flight of stairs with my hands cuffed behind my back, and where I spent 17 days in jail for armed robbery when I was 100% innocent (not really the cops' fault; long story), and where I was taken to de-tox 15 miles away with my hands AGAIN cuffed behind my back for drunk walking. And where I was I subject to illegal search and seizure and the cop said: "It'll be illegal search and SQUEEZure of your neck if you don't shut the fuck up." Shit like that. Oh yeah and in my first job out of college a co-worker was upset about an assignment she couldn't figure out and I put my HAND on her SHOULDER to EMPATHIZE and was accused of sexual harassment. FUCK a whole bunch of THAT shit!
Yeah I live in the third world but my US (hated America at work again) Gov paid six-figure salary shields me from it. So what you had some bad experiences with US cops…who hasn’t. The girl didn’t like you and maybe thought you were a little weird as I do. Why did you touch her if you were not invited? I have never been bothered by cops in PI but I have been harassed at the Airport by US officials and cops on the streets of my American slum…still I was just unlucky to run afoul of some silly people in uniform. They do not reflect their respective law enforcement agencies or my country.
"What is depressing about going into a 7-11 and being offered the opportunity to fuck someone? You don't want to do it, use the Nancy Reagan D.A.R.E approach and "just say no."
The fact that a lot of the women here see this as the only opportunity they have to make some money that’s what I see is depressing. That they have to go home with guys that are not going to treat them like I do and be treated like shit by the natives of their own country for what they do….
"Laws governing foreigners? Not here, baby. I don't need residency or paperwork or nothin' like that. It's ALL peaches and cream. The peaches here are good (seriously, good fruit here but the veggies suck) and the cream is great (excellent dairy products). And you can cream on the peaches if you know what I mean.
LOL. Man check out the PI boards photo gallery. :) The "peaches and cream" of PI are probably the number one contestant for the best in Asia.
"Some fucks just don't do their homework. I did my homework and I paid my dues and although I am not "scrounging money" down here I would rather be flat-ass broke down here than have the middle-class lifestyle I had up there. I think the jealous one is you, baby. You picked the wrong place!
Jealous of what? In the words of Sho’nuff (from the Last Dragon movie) “Mother-Fucker Please!” What do we have to be jealous of? Your monthly income of $2000 that you so proudly tell us about or the fact that you live close to *****houses. :D The average PI expat got you beat by a long-shot.
Man you need money to live in this world no matter where you choose to live and anit no fucking way I would be trying to live in a foreign country and rubbing two sticks to together to make money when I could go back to my home country work and save and then retire in any country I choose and not have to worry about money…
You got guys who move to Thailand to teach English for peanuts for what? To each his own but damn…I would rather have money than pussy because money will always get you pussy but what will pussy get you?
"You talk about "leaving behind everything you know." That implies not knowing jack shit beyond the US. I would counter that leaving behind everything you know is very liberating. Powerful men have been doing that for thousands of years. This is a good thing for the gene pool among other considerations.
That’s bullshit. There is a Lot of guys who travel but still call and will always call the US home. Powerful men. I wonder do powerful men sit and whine all day about how much their country sucks how they can’t get quality pussy. Anyone thinks Donald Trump or Barack Obama is doing this?
Earlier I called something Illogic said "flat out ignorant" so I am sure this is just payback for that. I don't remember what it was he said any more. My biggest single motivation was a desire not to pay taxes to support the war in Iraq. You have to be out of the country 11 months a year (330 full days) to accomplish that.
Nah no payback. I just find you amusing and full of shit :D
While we ***** and complain about AW not putting out, you have a few million American, Canadian, Western European women heading down to the Caribbean Islands to get fucked. I'm from one of the Islands, so I know this happens for a fact. Hotel event planners, especially, have it so good, they have a constant supply of free pussy from all over the world especially the U.S. Is this fucked up or what.
Where did I say my monthly income was $2000? I said I live on $2000. I make about twice that (although it varies from year to year, which can be annoying) and I only work seven months a year, and I can work drunk and naked with a joint in my hand while a chica is sucking my dick. And if I feel like blowing off work for a couple of days, I can do it and nobody even knows.
Chocha Monger
06-16-09, 14:35
While we ***** and complain about AW not putting out, you have a few million American, Canadian, Western European women heading down to the Caribbean Islands to get fucked. I'm from one of the Islands, so I know this happens for a fact. Hotel event planners, especially, have it so good, they have a constant supply of free pussy from all over the world especially the U.S.
Capt,
I know what you're taking about. I've seen plenty of young Swedish girls getting their holes rooted out and their backs broken by wild looking Rastafari on the beach. These girls pay for everything, including the cost of being rooted and supplied with ganja. These European and North American girls also think nothing of leaving the comfort of their rooms in the all-inclusive resorts to lay up in a Rastafari shack for a multi-day rooting session. Several years ago reggae singers came up with the term "cabin stabbing" to describe this phenomenon.
Illogic -- your screen name says it all! I have to weigh in with Dickhead, Bango Cheito and Neon Noodle here.
D cups yeah your the same guy who popped up on the PI boards looking for girls with big tits. That is Asia.
Please explain yourself Because I monger I can't think it is a raw deal? D cups do you have a sister or a daughter? If not I know you have a mother come on man...this sex work stuff is not all good...
Morality or religion has nothing to do with it for me. I am devout atheist and while I have not experienced no negative aspects of mongering in person I do know there is a dark side to it and if you read these pages you will also.
You guys think I am crazy. I think you guys are crazy. To each his own.
Morality or religion has nothing to do with it for me. I am devout atheist and while I have not experienced no negative aspects of mongering in person I do know there is a dark side to it and if you read these pages you will also.That's right, I think in many things there is a dark side. For example in USA you can buy cheap clothes, but probably some child labor overseas was used in order to make it.
You guys think I am crazy. I think you guys are crazy. To each his own.I don't think you're crazy, only different points of view. I am not from USA, but have been there for a while and have seen how people from different "classes" live, also have been to about other 25-30 countries. In general, I'm not impressed much, potentially USA could be a much better place.
What Dickhead, Bango Cheito and others say, makes a lot of sense for me from what I have seen.
I think, Illogic, you talk mostly from your own point of view. The US government gave you a 6 figure salary, you can spend it elsewhere, get plenty of girls in other countries, so of course you're really happy with the US.
Try to get into the shoes of an average American who lives in America. And your life will be pathetic. Not everybody can be like Donald Trump, Obama or even like yourself. And most people will never be like you! 90% or so.
Most people have no idea how it could be in other countries, so they do not complain much.
I have met some guys in USA who do not have any hope that they will be with any women in their life. Even ugly girls turn them down.
Of course you can say that's their fault, they have to work on themselves, they have to go to gym, etc. But what if they are already too old, fat, or handicapped or just shy? In USA they have almost ZERO chance for women.
On the other hand in other countries you can meet many guys who are less good looking, less successful, may also be drunks, abusive, etc. But they do not have problems with women, at least not to the extend as it is in US.
On top of that add that most people are in debt, most of their time they are worried how to pay bills, not to get fired, how to fix the house, the car, how to finance the next big screen TV, how to lose 20 pounds, etc. Also paid sex is illegal, you can get arrested only because you got horny and asked the question "how much" and your car can be taken away. This type of life is full of crap, how can someone not see that.
Well, sure, you can monger and think it's a raw deal at the same time. I believe it's known as hypocrisy and it's quite popular.
CastOnThis
06-16-09, 19:00
Let me get this right. AW have a lot of sex overseas but never her with us AM? Is that what the latinos are saying?
There is more to life than just sex, and work. Seems like some of you have gotten rid of the work thing but not the sex thing. I don't pursure much of either, anymore. And I am content.
Chocha Monger
06-17-09, 01:32
Illogic:
You said, “Morality or religion has nothing to do with it for me.” But that statement is not true. It is not true because you are expressing your belief about what is right and wrong concerning human conduct. This is moral judgment even though you may not practice any religion or subscribe to any particular school of moral philosophy.
This is just pathetic. Pussy is not some item to be sold off to highest bidder. It belongs to women, a breathing fucking human being. Get a grip….I would hate it if the US as where I live selling pussy was one of the only ways to make a decent living. I would hate if I found a relative of mine sucked dick and took it up the ass from deranged senior citizens because they didn’t have a choice. One point for hated US for making this not the case.
This is a clear moral value judgment. Though the imagery conjured up of “deranged senior citizens” running around fucking people up the ass, for a fee of course, did elicit a chuckle.
I believe that you chose the name, “Illogic” to express the illogical nature of a monger who loves to fuck prostitutes but who also has strong misgivings about indulging in prostitution. You manifest a love and loathing of prostitution. I fear these conflicting forces will eventually destroy you. You see mongering as a pathology, the symptom of a sickness called sexual addiction. If you truly believe that you are a sex addict then you should seek resolution through professional help. You will not find happiness by feeding an addiction via methods that you despise.
You believe that these women don’t have a choice in selling their ass, some may not, but many do. Yes. Some of them may be living in poverty but instead of doing back-breaking work or subsistence farming they chose to sell their asses as an easy way out. They may not see taking some old deranged wanker’s cock up the ass, down the throat and in the pussy as defiling. You see it as defiling from your point of view. From their point of view you may be the one who is defiled by having to pay for something that they do for free with others. You will note that mongers on this board never cease to express surprise when they discover that a bargirl was supporting a local boyfriend with the money she made on her back with foreigners. They can’t understand it. From the bargirl’s perspective she was only doing what she had to do to support the man she loves. A well paid American can hardly be expected to understand why an Asian girl willingly chooses to sell her ass.
Consider this. There are numerous English-speaking islands in the Caribbean that can be considered poverty-stricken from the American/Western European point of view. Yet, these destinations are considered to be terrible for the sex tourist because there aren’t hordes of poor women selling their asses at the docks. You will see plenty of women hawking arts and crafts or agricultural products in open air markets. They have limited choices. They can make more money selling their asses to tourists but most don’t. So what is the different between the Third World English-speaking Caribbean and the Philippines? Attitudes toward sex, and more specifically attitudes towards selling sex. Just because a country is poor doesn’t mean that the women have no other choice to make a living than selling ass. I’m sure that the Filipinas have to justify why they’re selling their asses and poverty happens to be an excellent excuse. It is the same excuse that youngsters from the projects use when they murder someone on the streets to steal a few dollars. They were born and raised in America but they will tell you that they had no choice in becoming criminals. In their minds they are victims of society. That is reality from their point of view.
It is not what goes into a woman’s ass that defiles her, but what comes out of the monger’s mouth who puts that thing in her ass.
What he said. For example, my favorita is a barber (I guess really a hairdresser; her specialty is tinting and dyeing), trained and licensed. She has a high school education and could also work as a seamstress. She has her own barber shop now but before, when she was working in a puti club, she certainly could have worked as a barber, in someone else's shop, and made enough money to survive. Instead, she freely chose to work as a hooker for five years to save up the money to set up her own shop. She preferred working for herself. She is entrepreneurial. I know another hooker here who is trained as a pastry chef. She says she could, in fact, make just about the same money as a pastry chef but it would mean either working very early mornings in a bakery or late nights in a restaurant. She chooses to work in a privado because she can work 11A-8P and only has to work one Saturday a month. Try finding a restaurant job where you only have to work one Saturday a month. She likes being with her kids on the weekends. Plus, she likes to fuck and suck!
Illogic:
You said, “Morality or religion has nothing to do with it for me.” But that statement is not true. It is not true because you are expressing your belief about what is right and wrong concerning human conduct. This is moral judgment even though you may not practice any religion or subscribe to any particular school of moral philosophy.
I don’t think prostitution or mongering is wrong. I think it is depressing when it is the only option or when a young lady thinks it is the only option available to her to earn a living.
This is a clear moral value judgment. Though the imagery conjured up of “deranged senior citizens” running around fucking people up the ass, for a fee of course, did elicit a chuckle.
Come on man you read these pages more than anyone so I know you have read it all. Guys fucking WGs up the ass. Anally injuring them then saying oh well …like its all good.
I believe that you chose the name, “Illogic” to express the illogical nature of a monger who loves to fuck prostitutes but who also has strong misgivings about indulging in prostitution. You manifest a love and loathing of prostitution.
I used Warbucks because that is where my money came from Bush’s wars. (Which I will be returning to because it had nice ring to it.) I renamed myself Illogic because of my life is Illogical…grew up in the slums now living the good life. That is Illogical.
I fear these conflicting forces will eventually destroy you.
Destroy me how?
Let’s see:
Mentally:
Nope. Every heard of a conscious rapper? I am conscious monger. I monger but I am conscious of what I am doing and what creates this favorable environment for mongering. I am not deranged lunatic running around fist full of dollars, dick in hand “fuck a WG” I am going to get mine nah bruh that anit me.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Conscious%20Rap
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscious_hip_hop
Financially:
I could stop working now if I wanted to even though if I did I would have to budget like my life depended on it. I will be set for life in three years. I have not even hit 30 yet. While my lifestyle is decadent I am forever mindful of my budget and what I am spending on mongering and everyday life shit in general.
Physically:
Always use condoms and KY to keep the condoms from popping. (Trojan Magnum Ultra-thin) Never kiss strange mouths or lick strange pussies. Hit the gym like a mad man when I am not mongering. Annual checks ups. Clean as the board of health.
Emotionally:
This is the biggy. You want to see what a man looks like destroyed emotionally. Take long hard look at Dick Head and Opebo off the Thailand boards. I will never end up like these jokers. Nough said on that.
You see mongering as a pathology, the symptom of a sickness called sexual addiction. If you truly believe that you are a sex addict then you should seek resolution through professional help. You will not find happiness by feeding an addiction via methods that you despise.
I said countless times I think I am sex addict. I also think you and all rest of you guys on ISG are also. Look at what Einstein said he would rather have pussy than money WHAT THE FUCK? Lot of other forums to discuss politics, hatred for America and its people but you guys come here to read the stories about sex and google at the photos about sex you guys are in denial.
How many of you guys been reading my reports last few days come on now let’s be honest? Naw no need for me seek help. I am in total control but a guy who says he prefers pussy over money well….
You believe that these women don’t have a choice in selling their ass, some may not, but many do. Yes. Some of them may be living in poverty but instead of doing back-breaking work or subsistence farming they chose to sell their asses as an easy way out. They may not see taking some old deranged wanker’s cock up the ass, down the throat and in the pussy as defiling. You see it as defiling from your point of view. From their point of view you may be the one who is defiled by having to pay for something that they do for free with others. You will note that mongers on this board never cease to express surprise when they discover that a bargirl was supporting a local boyfriend with the money she made on her back with foreigners. They can’t understand it. From the bargirl’s perspective she was only doing what she had to do to support the man she loves. A well paid American can hardly be expected to understand why an Asian girl willingly chooses to sell her ass.
I wasn’t always a well paid American. In my youth I sold drugs, I robbed, I stole. I know what a lack of money can make a humans do. What you guys fail to understand is that I have a problem when people think it is the only choice they got…I always give Rubbery Nursery a hard time but she had a first world choice she made it don’t know why? But more power to her.
We all boast about the sex industry on this board but it must be took for what it is worth. STDs, rouge mongers, rogue working girls, Rougue prostitution Establishments, read these pages.
We got a thread on the PI board called Robbed While Walking because of multiple of muggings in a well known monger area. LOL
I wish you guys would stop comparing sex work to normal jobs it’s ridiculous. DH said he is a cook. I would cook to make living. Would I suck a dick? Um No.
Consider this. There are numerous English-speaking islands in the Caribbean that can be considered poverty-stricken from the American/Western European point of view. Yet, these destinations are considered to be terrible for the sex tourist because there aren’t hordes of poor women selling their asses at the docks. You will see plenty of women hawking arts and crafts or agricultural products in open air markets. They have limited choices. They can make more money selling their asses to tourists but most don’t. So what is the different between the Third World English-speaking Caribbean and the Philippines? Attitudes toward sex, and more specifically attitudes towards selling sex. Just because a country is poor doesn’t mean that the women have no other choice to make a living than selling ass. I’m sure that the Filipinas have to justify why they’re selling their asses and poverty happens to be an excellent excuse. It is the same excuse that youngsters from the projects use when they murder someone on the streets to steal a few dollars. They were born and raised in America but they will tell you that they had no choice in becoming criminals. In their minds they are victims of society. That is reality from their point of view.
True. There are Filipinas that I personally know who are poor as all hell but would never lay down with a man for money. What makes a women turn prostitute? What makes a man turn into a trick?
If you know anything about the Philippines it’s a very conservative Catholic country. Things sexual are frowned on big time. A lot of these girls will be with a monger at night and will go to Mass in the morning without delay.
It is not what goes into a woman’s ass that defiles her, but what comes out of the monger’s mouth who puts that thing in her ass.
Like I said I am conscious I never insult or look down on WGs. I always make sure they are having a good time when one decides to join me for a night cap.
I have had WGs tell me they are *****s and are down on themselves I have gave them pep talks, gave them financial advice, etc man you guys think yall know me but yall don’t know jack shit.
http://showbizandstyle.inquirer.net/lifestyle/lifestyle/view/20090616-210827/What-if-your-daughter-has-a-sex-video
ThatGuy865
06-17-09, 07:14
Damn you guys have to be kidding me if you think the majority of women are in the P4P business because they just want to make easy money. But then it wouldn't surprise me, because one has to somewhat think this way to be a proud monger in the first place. A large percentage of women are forced/coherced/pushed into the business by various people.organized crime, pimps, family and economic situations.
Chocha,
The reason those carribean countries don't have very many prostitutes is the very thing you mention. They get enough tourism that the majority of the women can make a decent living selling hand made goods to tourist. Or they have plenty of job opportunities working in hotels, casinos, a lot of other tourist related jobs. Especially since they have relatively small populations, especially compared to the amount of tourism. There is only one carribean island known as a monger location for men. Which is the DR. The island is split with Haiti the poorest country on this side of the world, and the DR doesn't enjoy the same tourism (except for mongers) as most of the other carribean islands.
If you've ever been to the PI, which I doubt. You'd know tourism is not very high compared to the number of people in the country. Its almost non existent in most of the islands where the majority of women who work in the business come from. Like leyte, samar and the other southern provinces. There is no industry and very little opportunities. In the PI competition for work is so high, you need a college degree to get a job in Mcdonalds. And even then you start out on a 6 mth contract for a very low wage. Often they are let go after their contracts has expired.
Sure there a quite a few women who get into the business of their own choice.
But you have got to be just plain ignorant or just want to close your eyes to the facts not to realize there are a lot of women forced into the business. Once they have been at it for a few years, its all they know and it then becomes who they are. Most are uneducated and don't see how they can do anything else at that point.
Its widely known a lot of women are tricked into the trade worldwide. Often thru agencies which advertise jobs as waitresses, care givers, entertainers. Once the girls arrive, their passports are taken and forced into the business to repay a ridiculous debt which they are told they have incurred.
Chocha Monger
06-17-09, 08:13
illogic:
let’s keep this civil. shall we? yes. i read the story about opebo’s anal wounding of a thai prostitute. and i admit the story was disturbing. i’m not denying that a journey into prostitution can often read like the heart of darkness. but you have to admit that there is hardly a human endeavor that does not have a dark side. we’re practically [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) and polluting the earth to generate the energy needed to power the computers that we use to make these posts among other things. are we going to stop using computers? probably not, but we can look for less harmful ways to produce energy through research and open dialogue.
did i read your recent reports on the philippine thread? yes, i did. i rather enjoyed your writing style and found your point of view from the black monger’s perspective to be interesting. your description of the poor filipina prostitute’s reaction to your “alabama black snake” was quite entertaining. your writing style is unorthodox and extremely refreshing. do i think i know you? of course not, that would be a rather asinine assumption to make from anonymous board of sex hobbyist wouldn’t it? however, when you express strong misgivings about prostitution and then i read about you fucking some tight wet stuff for a fistful of dollars, sorry, but i can’t help but wonder what the fuck is going on. try reading your own posts as though you were someone else and you will get the picture. be honest, if you read one of my posts stating that drugs were terrible because so many lives are destroyed in its production, distribution, and consumption then a couple days later i report about how much of a great time i had snorting a few lines of coke in colombia, wouldn’t you wonder what the fuck was up with chocha monger?
am i a sex addict? i don’t think so. but i do enjoy a good sex yarn. like most guys it’s not busting the nut that’s the highlight, but telling your buddies about it. an addiction implies a lack of self control. i would never access isg from a work computer. an addict is unable to exercise that kind of discretion. also, many times i pass attractive hookers on the street. in fact, a few days ago i almost rear ended an “old deranged citizen” who slammed on his brakes to pick one up. i would never pick one up and believe me i’m talking about pretty young white hookers, not hardened crackheads. why? for one it is illegal in the us and i’m not about to get on the registered sex offender’s list, have my vehicle confirep001ed and be barred from employment over a piece of ass. an addict would risk all for a chance at some pink.
i enjoy coming to isg because it is an open forum where we can discuss sexual politics without religious nuts passing judgment. how many people can you truly express your views about sex with in the us without being branded a pervert, a social pariah? if you asked me if i was a sex addict in my late teens, i would probably have told you yes. back then i made some bad decisions based mainly on genital stimulation. now thankfully i am more level-headed and apt to think with the big head rather than the little one.
anyway bro, you say that you have it under control and you’re not running down a rail road of pussy to disaster contrary to your beliefs. you say that you’re a discerning monger. i don’t know you, so i take your word for it. not that i would have held it against you if you were a deranged wanker with a fistful of dollars plowing through stacks of filipina pussy.
DJ FourMoney
06-17-09, 11:32
I love you guys... They say American don't care about each other. On a large scale that's true, but not for me. I would HATE to see any of you guys get into trouble or contract something horrible and life threating.
DH and CM make excellent points about living overseas or being an expat.
I'm working to that goal myself, I believe that the US always tries 10 different things before doing the right thing and then saying "Why didn't we do that before????"
I am not going to be here for its slow and painful death. It will get to the near death point before it realizes it can't continue down the same road when it comes to the economy, foreign policy and domestic policy.
I'm not a sex addict, I hardly fuck at all. I would like to have sex more often, but I am not willing to jump through the hoops and play the games AW constantly want you to do. Also at my age, its HIGHLY unlikely I would find somebody that's over 30 and child-less. In fact I rather have somebody around mid 20's and that's nearly impossible in America unless your rich, period.
There's plenty of merit for leaving, I don't see why IIlogic wants to poo-poo the idea of escaping America for sexual reasons. I say it one of the better reasons to leave what are your choices?
DH could get it free, but he believes "free" has side-effects he rather not deal with and I don't blame him. So his favorite he gives her a "donation" out of respect for her time, though she's willing to give him what she charges others free.
So while some people (basically only ONE person here) touts America like its the greatest thing since sliced bread, nobody has informed him the "Greatness" train left around 1968 and this country has been on a downward spiral ever sense...
he he he. i am "emotionally destroyed." i just found that out. actually when i was in the us for about the last five or ten years i was emotionally numb or maybe emotionally bankrupt. say what you want about me but please do not compare me to opebo in the same sentence. first of all i am not an anal sex devotee; i do that maybe once or twice a year and only upon request. second of all i am not a misanthrope. third of all i treat my hookers with respect and would never injure one.
dj4 might be giving me too much credit, though. would my favorita fuck me for free? i've often wondered that myself but i guess i am too chickenshit to want to find out. i suspect she would if we lived nearby but it is a three hour round trip under perfect circumstances and she has an opportunity cost because she closes her barber shop. i keep telling her that is no way to run a business. would you patronize a barber whose shop may or may not be open on a random basis? she says it doesn't matter because all her clientele are local and will just come back. i doubt that very much.
however i also suspect that if she had not been a hooker she would never have gone out with me in the first place. i could be wrong about that too. i believe she has an electra complex although really in the scheme of things she is not that much younger than i am (52 vs. 34). it's funny because when i was a teenager i was attracted to women in the 30-35 range and now i am attracted to women in the ... 30-35 range. i was also attracted to women in the 30-35 range when i was in that range. feel free to psychoanalyze that. you could say oedipus but i don't know about that because my mom was 40 when she had me.
tg865, absolutely there is forced prostitution many places in the world. where i live doesn't happen to be one of them (it exists in argentina but not in buenos aires city; it exists in poor barrios in the suburbs) but i don't participate in it. i would never do that, and i've been pursuing this hobby long enough to know the difference (37 years now). forced prostitution and pimping are horrible things and if you go back to my earliest postings we had quite a discussion on that: "i hate pimps."
pimps are lazy freeloaders. on the argentina board i got into quite a beef with a guy whom i knew personally when he accused me of taking commissions from my hooker friends when i set them up with my buddies. no no no. i just want everyone to get laid and have a good time. i have a job and don't need to pimp. anybody wants to come to my town, i meet them and if i like them, i know six or seven women who want to fuck tourists for money. they want and need pussy and have money. my friends have pussy and want and need money. this is the doctrine of comparative advantage from econ 101. i like to meet new people and i like for my friends to have nice people to fuck.
illogic, dj, bango, chocha, and all you guys seem like good peeps and you all are intelligent and have good points of view. opebo, if he is for real, is a germ that needs to be terminated. maybe one of you military types could work on that. i think maybe he read "the prince" and took it just a little too seriously.
illogic, i don't think your analogy about cooking and sucking dick is a good one. it should be: "would i eat pussy for a living." never kiss any strange mouths? all i can do there is quote the great 20th century us humorist, will rogers: "a stranger is just a friend you haven't met yet." if i don't want to kiss her, why would i want to fuck her? any hooker who doesn't want to kiss me does not get a return engagement. all this las vegas style crap about don't kiss me don't touch my pussy don't suck my titties does not apply in south america, although i certainly saw a lot of it in méxico.
you want good sex, go to a country with a low rate of church attendance. argentina has the lowest rate of church attendance in latin america. yes, most people will say they are catholics (although there are also a lot of jews in ba) but they say church is where you go to "get married and get buried."
peace out,
dh
Chocha Monger
06-17-09, 20:01
Damn you guys have to be kidding me if you think the majority of women are in the P4P business because they just want to make easy money. But then it wouldn't surprise me, because one has to somewhat think this way to be a proud monger in the first place. A large percentage of women are forced/coherced/pushed into the business by various people.organized crime, pimps, family and economic situations.
Chocha,
The reason those carribean countries don't have very many prostitutes is the very thing you mention. They get enough tourism that the majority of the women can make a decent living selling hand made goods to tourist. Or they have plenty of job opportunities working in hotels, casinos, a lot of other tourist related jobs. Especially since they have relatively small populations, especially compared to the amount of tourism. There is only one carribean island known as a monger location for men. Which is the DR. The island is split with Haiti the poorest country on this side of the world, and the DR doesn't enjoy the same tourism (except for mongers) as most of the other carribean islands.
If you've ever been to the PI, which I doubt. You'd know tourism is not very high compared to the number of people in the country. Its almost non existent in most of the islands where the majority of women who work in the business come from. Like leyte, samar and the other southern provinces. There is no industry and very little opportunities. In the PI competition for work is so high, you need a college degree to get a job in Mcdonalds. And even then you start out on a 6 mth contract for a very low wage. Often they are let go after their contracts has expired.
Sure there a quite a few women who get into the business of their own choice.
But you have got to be just plain ignorant or just want to close your eyes to the facts not to realize there are a lot of women forced into the business. Once they have been at it for a few years, its all they know and it then becomes who they are. Most are uneducated and don't see how they can do anything else at that point.
Its widely known a lot of women are tricked into the trade worldwide. Often thru agencies which advertise jobs as waitresses, care givers, entertainers. Once the girls arrive, their passports are taken and forced into the business to repay a ridiculous debt which they are told they have incurred.
No one ever said that all of these women are in it voluntarily. Sure some are coerced into working in the sex trade just as some are coerced into the sweatshops of the textile industry. But that hasn't stopped you from flying halfway around the world with a fistful of dollars and a Viagra inflamed cock to fuck these women for 20 years. Has it?
I'm sure that you also know that research has shown that the majority of men using Filipina prostitutes are Filipinos. So obviously there is money being made by people in the Philippines, enough to fund their vices.
Women also made a living in the Philippines before servicemen and senior citizens from America, Australia and Europe showed up peddling their cocks. When the sex trade ends they will continue to make a living. As global oil stocks continue to decline and air travel becomes increasingly expensive sex tourism will dwindle. Economics will certainly curb the number of sex crazed geriatrics flying halfway around the world from the US to engage in this trade.
Perhaps this organization http://www.change.org/coalition_against_trafficking_in_women_international_catw/details/about is more appropriate for you instead of a forum of punters. You can donate the cost of your trips to the Philippines plus your subscription. I'm sure you will find plenty of like minded activists there.
DJ FourMoney
06-18-09, 05:14
he he he. i am "emotionally destroyed." i just found that out. actually when i was in the us for about the last five or ten years i was emotionally numb or maybe emotionally bankrupt. say what you want about me but please do not compare me to opebo in the same sentence. first of all i am not an anal sex devotee; i do that maybe once or twice a year and only upon request. second of all i am not a misanthrope. third of all i treat my hookers with respect and would never injure one.
dj4 might be giving me too much credit, though. would my favorita fuck me for free? i've often wondered that myself but i guess i am too chickenshit to want to find out. i suspect she would if we lived nearby but it is a three hour round trip under perfect circumstances and she has an opportunity cost because she closes her barber shop. i keep telling her that is no way to run a business. would you patronize a barber whose shop may or may not be open on a random basis? she says it doesn't matter because all her clientele are local and will just come back. i doubt that very much.
however i also suspect that if she had not been a hooker she would never have gone out with me in the first place. i could be wrong about that too. i believe she has an electra complex although really in the scheme of things she is not that much younger than i am (52 vs. 34). it's funny because when i was a teenager i was attracted to women in the 30-35 range and now i am attracted to women in the ... 30-35 range. i was also attracted to women in the 30-35 range when i was in that range. feel free to psychoanalyze that. you could say oedipus but i don't know about that because my mom was 40 when she had me.
tg865, absolutely there is forced prostitution many places in the world. where i live doesn't happen to be one of them (it exists in argentina but not in buenos aires city; it exists in poor barrios in the suburbs) but i don't participate in it. i would never do that, and i've been pursuing this hobby long enough to know the difference (37 years now). forced prostitution and pimping are horrible things and if you go back to my earliest postings we had quite a discussion on that: "i hate pimps."
pimps are lazy freeloaders. on the argentina board i got into quite a beef with a guy whom i knew personally when he accused me of taking commissions from my hooker friends when i set them up with my buddies. no no no. i just want everyone to get laid and have a good time. i have a job and don't need to pimp. anybody wants to come to my town, i meet them and if i like them, i know six or seven women who want to fuck tourists for money. they want and need pussy and have money. my friends have pussy and want and need money. this is the doctrine of comparative advantage from econ 101. i like to meet new people and i like for my friends to have nice people to fuck.
illogic, dj, bango, chocha, and all you guys seem like good peeps and you all are intelligent and have good points of view. opebo, if he is for real, is a germ that needs to be terminated. maybe one of you military types could work on that. i think maybe he read "the prince" and took it just a little too seriously.
illogic, i don't think your analogy about cooking and sucking dick is a good one. it should be: "would i eat pussy for a living." never kiss any strange mouths? all i can do there is quote the great 20th century us humorist, will rogers: "a stranger is just a friend you haven't met yet." if i don't want to kiss her, why would i want to fuck her? any hooker who doesn't want to kiss me does not get a return engagement. all this las vegas style crap about don't kiss me don't touch my pussy don't suck my titties does not apply in south america, although i certainly saw a lot of it in méxico.
you want good sex, go to a country with a low rate of church attendance. argentina has the lowest rate of church attendance in latin america. yes, most people will say they are catholics (although there are also a lot of jews in ba) but they say church is where you go to "get married and get buried."
peace out,
dh
thanks...
i bet you should would fuck (her) you for free, but then you would loose some control. then again i have known girls to drive 3 hours roundtrip to fuck me before, but put that down to youthful experimentation, back when sex was just "fun".
consumerism, deterioration of civil liberties and religion are largely to blame for the dysfunctional american culture. why not leave? i have a co-worker that would like to leave just based on the fact that the cost of living keeps increasing but his income doesn't.
location, location, location....
how many times does it have to be said???
See DJ you've been in the US too long. Driving three hours to fuck me would imply she had a vehicle, which would imply she knew how to drive. Neither is the case. Bus to train to another bus or the subway is what we are talking here. None of these chicas know how to drive. Let me see if I can calculate her round trip cost. I believe the bus to the train is 1,10 pesos. It's eight blocks from her house so sometimes she walks depending on how she is dressed. Then the train is 1,30 and the bus is 1,20 from there or the subway is 1,10 but a longer walk. So max we are looking at 3,60 pesos one way which is less than a dollar. Let's say it is 2 dollars round trip which is an exaggeration. I don't know what gas costs in the US now. $3 a gallon? And a gallon gets you 20 miles? I don't drive here so it's hard for me to estimate how far away she lives but I'm thinking maybe 30 or 40 miles. I think in kilometers now. 50 kilometers, maybe. Point being, public transportation. If she did have a car and did know how to drive, parking is expensive here. I want to say it is 1,40 pesos for 15 or 20 minutes depending on the zone but I could be wrong about that. Anyway she would be spending 20 pesos or so (about 5 dollars) to park if she did that. And one of the many things I like about her is she is a cheapskate so my guess is that if she did have a car and did know how to drive, she'd still take the train.
Having a car here is like a "Johnson Contest." Having a car moves you up in the world socially but you still hardly ever drive the motherfucker. I think New York City is like this.
Starchild2012
06-18-09, 08:01
Most people & media make a wrong assumption on immigrants being sucessfull in America, Europe or anywhere they migrate.
I think the main factor is struggle and hard work to achieve something which makes them sucessfull not the place itself. Case in point, the very first generation of sucessfull immigrants kids compared to what their father and grand father achieved is pretty low everywhere.
Most of the grown ups from suceesfull immigrant families are not highly sucessfull as their parents were. The very earlier American immigrants worked hard cos they had too and became sucessfull, their children reaped the benifit of hard work that their parents put.
Its the necessity for survival combined with hard work which always pays not the place itself. If it wasnt true, then the first generation americans from immigrants family should me equally sucessfull or more which is clearly not the case anywhere.
Hardwork pays no matter where you are >>> which begs a question why didnt they worked hard back home >>> which would be ofcourse due to various external factors like political, economical and enviromental conditions etc not condusive enough for growth ...
However, if above were true..
<><><> The question "why" would come back and ask..why then the immigrants children aren't as scuessfull as their parents were in most cases if they had the perfect condition for growth from birth itself ???.
I think this paradoxical "why" could only be anwered, if more than 50% of our life were in our own hands..which is not..we clearly see a deteriation from high to low and then back...
Else if we really had 100% of our life in our own hands, the above statement would be untrue but it is not or else families and nations would ever go up and up but histroy shows ..nations rise and fall, so do big empires and families.
Clearly our life is controlled by external factors more than internal.....call it nature, God, external forces whatever in physics or in religion.
It just shows...polical, economic boundaries dont matter...external forces acts on the same way in America as does it on Nigeria or columbia or so does it had on ancient civilisation for thousand of years.
The basic nature of earth has not changed even one bit...the world will remain the same as it is for ever with you and me in it or without. :)
DJ FourMoney
06-18-09, 17:01
see dj you've been in the us too long. driving three hours to fuck me would imply she had a vehicle, which would imply she knew how to drive. neither is the case. bus to train to another bus or the subway is what we are talking here. none of these chicas know how to drive. let me see if i can calculate her round trip cost. i believe the bus to the train is 1,10 pesos. it's eight blocks from her house so sometimes she walks depending on how she is dressed. then the train is 1,30 and the bus is 1,20 from there or the subway is 1,10 but a longer walk. so max we are looking at 3,60 pesos one way which is less than a dollar. let's say it is 2 dollars round trip which is an exaggeration. i don't know what gas costs in the us now. $3 a gallon? and a gallon gets you 20 miles? i don't drive here so it's hard for me to estimate how far away she lives but i'm thinking maybe 30 or 40 miles. i think in kilometers now. 50 kilometers, maybe. point being, public transportation. if she did have a car and did know how to drive, parking is expensive here. i want to say it is 1,40 pesos for 15 or 20 minutes depending on the zone but i could be wrong about that. anyway she would be spending 20 pesos or so (about 5 dollars) to park if she did that. and one of the many things i like about her is she is a cheapskate so my guess is that if she did have a car and did know how to drive, she'd still take the train.
having a car here is like a "johnson contest." having a car moves you up in the world socially but you still hardly ever drive the motherfucker. i think new york city is like this.
lol, but i have used public transportation outside of the us and in the us and going 50 miles or so using public transportation is hardly ideal, especially where high speeds and right of way aren't even involved.
going 50km via germany's ic or ice is a breeze.... stupid easy, i can buy tickets online the web site is in german and english. i made it from frankfurt-main to gent, belgium in about 40 mins... 290k per hour makes it possible :)
going 50km via southern california's metro rail as i did recently is a challenge and along the lines of how your friend has to make her trip to you. it involved taking the metro rail to union station. from union station i took another train and then needed a ride or took the bus. i took the bus the first time down and was going the wrong way.... right bus number, wrong direction, how was i suppose to know??? t-mobile g1 via google maps, that's how i found out!
trust me i know about public transportation even in car dominated southern california.
Prionzprot
06-18-09, 19:59
Very Good philosophical post Mr. Born Loser.
It made me cry!
Very Good philosophical post Mr. Born Loser.
It made me cry!Please don't cry:) I thought we were supposed to discuss here "American women", not only success of immigrants and public transportation issues:)
Today I got an email from one friend in Canada. he is thinking to go to EE to look for a wife. He realizes all the risks, but he says he has no other choice. The number of available women of somewhat descent quality is very low there, so his only option is to go to Eastern Europe. BTW the guy is young(early 30s), good-looking, educated and successful.
Starchild2012
06-19-09, 14:03
Very Good philosophical post Mr. Born Loser.
It made me cry!
Do not despair......It's ok :)..If you are interested to further pursue this philosophy, there is a school of thought in India which believed in statement of facts and they named it Advaita (monoism)...it comes under Juana (knowledge) yoga, like we have a more popular Hath yoga in the west which involves physical exercise....Juana yoga is the path of knowledge to find divinity in a man.
It is exactly similar to Buddhism but the details are very fine. It is for the very quest for seeking the facts that Siddhartha became Buddha.
Buddha’s father tried everything in his power not to let his son know the facts of the world....people get old, there is misery, disease, old age and death. He was given all the luxuries not to know the truth but when he saw the suffering and miseries in the world...he set out to find the truth and became a Buddha.
Atheist & Bill Maher religulous never pursue to the full extent of what they are....they believe in the power of reasoning and rationality but never follow it to the end...they compare it only with the present "popular" religion and faith based organization and when they see... it does not match up to their standard of reasoning and judgment they are happy to criticize it and feel different, but they don’t pursue their own reasoning to find the Truth.
This is where they differ from Buddha. Buddha was a true Atheist to the core...he followed his reasoning power to the very end and found NIRVANA.
He rejected all the gods and deity that existed in that time, rejected all schools of thoughts and set out to find the truth behind the facts.
Atheist can never explain the facts of the world, they are just happy to exist cos the popular religion exist. If there were no religion in the world there would be no Atheist.
If all the Atheist and Bill Maher follow their own path of reasoning and rationality to the very end...they will indeed reach a state of Buddha.
Buddha rejected all idols, did not believe in any god, he condemned all the religious sacrifices, he said god is not the exclusive domain of priests.
People pursue different paths which are comfortable to their own liking and yet they reach the same goal ..some call it God, Jesus, Allah, some Brahman some Nirvana...but they all reach the same ultimate state of consciousness.
You can even reach the state of Nirvana which Buddha achieved through sex which is called "Tantra", unfortunately exploited as a million dollar industry in the west.
If you follow proper guidelines in Tantric sex...You will reach the state of Nirvana, but to find a real Guru in tantric in this day and age...you will indeed be a blessed man :)
If you pursue the popular yoga in the west and take it to the next level called Raja yoga...you will reach the same state as attained by Buddha.
Majority of the world population are faith based, they chose that path cos it comes naturally and it aint as hard as pursuing the path taken by Buddha.yet if you are faithfull enough you will reach god.
Nirvana, Jesus, God, Allah, Brahman is not an exclusive domain of the few...It is indeed the birth right of every individual on this planet earth...we are all going towards it through various paths we have chosen consciously and some sub consciously ..We all will attain it in this life or next...So don’t despair its ok :)
You can read more about the path of knowledge here
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Complete_Works_of_Swami_Vivekananda/Volume_2/Jnana-Yoga
Good Luck
D cups yeah your the same guy who popped up on the PI boards looking for girls with big tits. That is Asia.
Please explain yourself Because I monger I can't think it is a raw deal? D cups do you have a sister or a daughter? If not I know you have a mother come on man...this sex work stuff is not all good...
Morality or religion has nothing to do with it for me. I am devout atheist and while I have not experienced no negative aspects of mongering in person I do know there is a dark side to it and if you read these pages you will also.
You guys think I am crazy. I think you guys are crazy. To each his own.Yes, I'm the same one that was looking for busty Asians in the Philippines, Vietnam, Tiajuana and everywhere else I go to for business and pleasure. And, yes, I find them, sometimes with the assistance of mongers who post here with the similar fetish. Yes, some of the mongers on here have severe psychological issues and defile (perhaps hurt) women in ways I never would. Many of the guys on here are married but I try not to judge. I am not married and don't have a girlfriend. I am free to have sex with any consenting shapely lass I desire without regret. What is the harm in that, Illogic?
I suppose there's a dark side to everything, Illogic. The fact that you acknowledge this defies your atheism. Even in the Bible Old Testament wealthy men had many wives AND concubines (and I'm pretty sure at least some of them had BIG BOOBS). SO WHAT?
This is supposed to be a forum about American women. Mostly we bash American women here (for good reason in my opinion). After all, AWs, when compared to most foreign women, pale in comparison. AWs are spoiled rotten by the media who makes them think men are THEIR servants, instead of the other way around. It sucks. Yet a rare few AWs have not forgotten their role: to be a HELP MATE to man. Just my opinion, guys, and hopefully not offensive to anyone.
Chocha Monger
06-20-09, 00:54
Why do women sell their asses? Because they can! However, there are many apologists out there, and on this forum, who claim that most women are selling pussy because they are sex slaves. Bad men behind the scenes are forcing these nice women or tricking them into selling that ass for cold hard cash. Of course, women are never opportunists and they only have sex because they’re in love or if the man is incredibly handsome. So women only sell sex out of economic desperation or coercion. Following this reasoning there should be no prostitutes in the countries with generous social welfare systems like Sweden, Norway, or Switzerland. But surprise, surprise! The Swedes, Norwegians and Swiss are selling ass too.
Could it be that women will sell that ass for cash or other benefits once a certain threshold value has been reach? And that value varies from individual to individual based on socioeconomic class and personal beliefs? There is huge motive for many men to refuse to believe that this is the case. We men have big egos. A young handsome American man would hate to admit that an old fat stinky 60 yrs old French monger can easily bed the same exotic beauty for a couple thousand pesos bar fine. Prostitution takes away any illusions of love that men may have. It is a great equalizer of sorts. Still, many mongers will insist that they are special to their favorite hookers. If you have any doubts read the forum and you will find guys claiming to be the only, first, or one of the few customers that a particular prostitute reaches orgasm with. Pride makes us hate the thought of being just another number. For this reason the “girlfriend experience” is a big money-maker for the hooker who knows how to pull this act off.
Evidence shows that hooking may be more insidiously wired into women’s DNA through evolution. Research into primate behavior has revealed some shocking discoveries. Apparently, Homo sapiens are not the only primate species out there hooking. Yes. It’s true. Monkeys are swinging from the branches selling that ass too!
TIME MAGAZINE – “In a recent study of macaque monkeys in Indonesia, researchers found that male primates "paid" for sexual access to females — and that the going rate for such access dwindled as the number of available females went up....
Researchers, who studied the monkeys for some 20 months, found that males offered their payment up-front, as a kind of pre-sex ritual. It worked. After the females were groomed by male partners, female sexual activity more than doubled, from an average of 1.5 times an hour to 3.5 times. The study also showed that the number of minutes that males spent grooming hinged on the number of females available at the time: The better a male's odds of getting lucky, the less nit-picking time the females received.”
Some of the monkeys remind me of many mongers on this board who always harp about keeping prices down and worry about too many mongers over-running their favorite spot driving prices up. It seems that the monkeys do a better job of controlling market forces though.
Lead researcher Michael Gumert told Discovery News:
"Powerful individuals can take more and give less than low-ranked individuals can," he said, suggesting that such corruption of the fair trade ideal appears to be an inherent facet of primate social life that can apply to everything from monkey sex to human politics. High-ranking females can also skew the system because, in the case of macaques, they demand more attention before they agree to mate.
Mongers are familiar with this sort of behavior. You know that perfect 10 that charges you more and puts less effort into the session? It seems that a monger can learn a lot from a monkey.
Male chimps pay with meat for mating, say researchers from the Max Planck Institute:
"By sharing, the males increase the number of times they mate, and the females increase their intake of calories," said Dr Gomes.
"What's amazing is that if a male shares with a particular female, he doubles the number of times he copulates with her, which is likely to increase the probability of fertilising that female."
And for the apologists out there who like to scream, “[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)” you can be comforted by the fact that no evil monkey cartel was found engaged in monkey business, like forcing female monkeys to sell their asses to other male monkeys for bananas.
ThatGuy865
06-20-09, 01:45
Damn fellas,
I came back from Los Angeles a week ago and I must say you guys are dead wrong. I went to the beaches and they were over flowing with fine ass babes roller blading in bikinis, on bicycles, and walking around.
My cousin took me to a bar, we got these 2 women phone numbers, the next night we all went out drinking, dancing. My cousin is scoring on babes left and right. He slept with 2 different women and that was just during the week I was there. He's in his 40's and makes average money, but doesn't lack confidence, which is all I think it takes. I'm sure if I would have had my own place and wheels I could have done the same. Unfortunately for me I was sleeping on the couch and was only there for a week. The babe we met worked long hours during the week and only had weekends to relax, and I was leaving the following weekend.
But I only states this to say. There are guys out there who are meeting and bedding good looking AW. It all has to do with your attitude and approach. Dress decent, have a personality, have confidence when you approach them and you will meet plenty of decent to nice AW. For those who can't or are too shy, afraid of rejection. Then maybe going overseas is best for you. But it isn't because AW are no good. Its because you lack the necessary skills/attitude to get the type of AW you want. Bottom line.
Good lesson in anthropology, thanks doctor...
Male chimps pay with meat for mating, say researchers from the Max Planck Institute:
"By sharing, the males increase the number of times they mate, and the females increase their intake of calories," said Dr Gomes.
I hope none of the guy's living in Lima are reading this or I won't be able to get a table at La Tranquera anymore!
"You know that perfect 10 that charges you more and puts less effort into the session?"
No, and I don't want to. After 37 years of mongering I define a 10 as:
1) A seven that makes me come three times
2) A five that gives twice as much effort
3) An eight who brings over two joints
4) Any deaf mute nymphomaniac who owns a liquor store
I like it if my favoritas have orgasms but I can sure live with myself if they don't. It also seems to me that they prefer that I have orgasms but can live with themselves if I don't and at my age, sometimes I don't, and normally that doesn't bother me either.
Richard Pryor probably put it best. His wife said, "I didn't come yet" and he said, "Well shit baby I did."
Gentlemen, friends, newbies: this is all highly edifying and amusing. But there are forums for Politics, Rants, Morality of Prostitution, What Kind of Women are Best for LTR/STR? etc etc.
I feel the same as DJ about some of you and find you to be brilliant, funny, and insightful. Thank you for making me laugh AND think.
But this forum is for AW. Please?
Chocha Monger
06-20-09, 04:30
Gentlemen, friends, newbies: this is all highly edifying and amusing. But there are forums for Politics, Rants, Morality of Prostitution, What Kind of Women are Best for LTR/STR? etc etc.
I feel the same as DJ about some of you and find you to be brilliant, funny, and insightful. Thank you for making me laugh AND think.
But this forum is for AW. Please?
Yogin,
The discussion took this turn after a commentator claimed that the majority of women hook because they were coerced to do so. It was necessary to refute this claim by showing that hooking is ingrained in human behavior in the absence of force. So I used some conclusive research to show that even female monkeys will fuck for benefit or advantage.
Sure it would have been more aptly posted in the Morality of Prostitution thread but I was having a stream of consciousness. Besides American women are primates so the post is somewhat apropos.
Chocha Monger
06-20-09, 04:39
I hope none of the guy's living in Lima are reading this or I won't be able to get a table at La Tranquera anymore!
Lima Busy,
You should consider yourself lucky to be in Lima. American men have followed the male chimps' lead and they are now paying for sex with filet mignon. Lobster is optional depending on whether a blowjob is expected or not. American women expect to be fed at least three of these high caloric dinners before deciding to have sex or not. If you ask me, the chimps get a better deal.
Yes, I'm the same one that was looking for busty Asians in the Philippines, Vietnam, Tiajuana and everywhere else I go to for business and pleasure. And, yes, I find them, sometimes with the assistance of mongers who post here with the similar fetish.
Asian women are not known for having voluptuous / thick body parts. But if you have the time, energy and the financial resources to weed through all the skinny girls in Asia (this is one of the main attractions of Asia… slim girls) then more power to you. I think a man looking for big tits would be wiser to go elsewhere.
Yes, some of the mongers on here have severe psychological issues and defile (perhaps hurt) women in ways I never would. Many of the guys on here are married but I try not to judge. I am not married and don't have a girlfriend. I am free to have sex with any consenting shapely lass I desire without regret. What is the harm in that, Illogic?
What does being married, single have to do with what you just said? I have said once and I am saying it again this shit is not all good. Do you like to have sex with out of shape old women? What do you think most WG girls are doing? Since Dick Head said my analogy was invalid would you like to lick the pussy of fat old western women for money? I don’t even like fat young girls.
I suppose there's a dark side to everything, Illogic. The fact that you acknowledge this defies your atheism. Even in the Bible Old Testament wealthy men had many wives AND concubines (and I'm pretty sure at least some of them had BIG BOOBS). SO WHAT?
What does me being an atheist got to do with this? There is a dark side to everything. Ok my job for example is extremely dangerous. I am under contestant threat of being maimed, shot or starring in my own music video written, directed and produced by Islamic fanatics. Would I rather be licking undesirable pussy for a living? Um no. We have procedures in place to protect us from rogue elements and other safety hazards.
Please explain what is there to protect a monger from a psychopathic WG or a WG from a psychopathic monger? In the third world it’s even worse lack of education, unsuspecting working girls really don’t have idea what they are getting into etc…I had a working girl in Cebu last year who in her own words “Your American so why are you black.” You think a person with this intelligence can protect herself? I know some of you sick bastards like that type of shit.
This is supposed to be a forum about American women. Mostly we bash American women here (for good reason in my opinion). After all, AWs, when compared to most foreign women, pale in comparison. AWs are spoiled rotten by the media who makes them think men are THEIR servants, instead of the other way around. It sucks. Yet a rare few AWs have not forgotten their role: to be a HELP MATE to man. Just my opinion, guys, and hopefully not offensive to anyone.
So a woman’s role is to be subservient to a man? Why? I got a friend who has earns double my salary and has traveled with me overseas I have had women in various countries refer to him as easy on the eyes . I never hear him moaning and groaning about American woman. I really think a lot of you guys are just bitter.
We should have this type of forum I am unattractive not because of what I was born with but because I don’t try. I wasted my most productive money making years and now I am old and broke but woman in the western world should still want to fuck me forum.
Why do women sell their asses? Because they can! However, there are many apologists out there, and on this forum, who claim that most women are selling pussy because they are sex slaves. Bad men behind the scenes are forcing these nice women or tricking them into selling that ass for cold hard cash. Of course, women are never opportunists and they only have sex because they’re in love or if the man is incredibly handsome. So women only sell sex out of economic desperation or coercion. Following this reasoning there should be no prostitutes in the countries with generous social welfare systems like Sweden, Norway, or Switzerland. But surprise, surprise! The Swedes, Norwegians and Swiss are selling ass too.
Anyone who thinks a WG is not getting the better end in a prostitution deal especially if the guy is decent looking, knows what the fuck he is doing and is nice is a fool. When a man pays women for sex he is depleting his net worth while the working girl is improving her net worth and getting something all human beings crave sex.
Problem I have seen in more than one girl who after being in this business for a while they don’t seem to be doing too good mentally or physically? Why is that?
No one is disputing the fact there are woman who are selling ass simply because they want to. It’s their prerogative. Get that money but is it a profession Daddy Illogic would encourage his daughter to be? Um no.
Could it be that women will sell that ass for cash or other benefits once a certain threshold value has been reach? And that value varies from individual to individual based on socioeconomic class and personal beliefs? There is huge motive for many men to refuse to believe that this is the case. We men have big egos. A young handsome American man would hate to admit that an old fat stinky 60 yrs old French monger can easily bed the same exotic beauty for a couple thousand pesos bar fine. Prostitution takes away any illusions of love that men may have. It is a great equalizer of sorts. Still, many mongers will insist that they are special to their favorite hookers. If you have any doubts read the forum and you will find guys claiming to be the only, first, or one of the few customers that a particular prostitute reaches orgasm with. Pride makes us hate the thought of being just another number. For this reason the “girlfriend experience” is a big money-maker for the hooker who knows how to put this act off.
I guess I feel you on the ego trip. When I am out and about and I see the old fat guy. I am just like damn what the fuck am I doing here? On the flip side I just have settled in and accepted reality. Me trying to date normal women is a waste of time when I only want sex. The effort and time it takes to play the courting game not to mention I have a great GF already sells the prostitution game for me.
Is love an illusion only? I don’t think so. I see the way my GF now and previous women who “loved” me looked at me. My ex-wife came from rich family. Me I was a broke ass US soldier when we met. I spent my days fighting at the local water holes, drinking, smoking weed, packing 9 Millies, 380s. Your typical American nightmare.
I let that shit go because of her. We didn’t make it but some of the things she taught me I still hold on to this day.
We have a saying here in PI “If a bargirl mouth is moving she is lying.” I live by this. I don’t believe shit they say most of time and found many of them to be full of shit…but pussies don’t lie. So it is possible she has had an orgasmic experience or discovered something new.
Every time I take a WG to the five star hotels I frequent I always ask them have they been there before. Without fail they always say yes. This gives me a board scope of the amount of men these women service day in and out.
I use to believe in the girlfriend experience but now all I care about if she performs. I had a Romanian in Dubai who didn’t hug me didn’t pretend, she dropped to her knees as soon as got in the room blew me and fucked me with so much intensity that we both collapsed into a heap of sweat. After that she hit the shower put her clothes on and left. Was I disappointed because she didn’t hold my hand and sing…? Um no.
http://www.popcenter.org/problems/street_prostitution/PDFs/johnhow.pdf
Evidence shows that hooking may be more insidiously wired into women’s DNA through evolution. Research into primate behavior has revealed some shocking discoveries. Apparently, Homo sapiens are not the only primate species out there hooking. Yes. It’s true. Monkeys are swinging from the branches selling that ass too!
TIME MAGAZINE – “In a recent study of macaque monkeys in Indonesia, researchers found that male primates "paid" for sexual access to females — and that the going rate for such access dwindled as the number of available females went up....
Do animals have the ability to reason?
Chocha Monger
06-20-09, 06:17
Do animals have the ability to reason?
Yes they do. While it is thought that most animals cannot carry out higher mental functions it is well documented that chimps and dolphins can solve problems and use tools. The monkeys in the study figured out that they needed to spend let time on individual females to get laid when there were higher numbers of females. There are a lot of guys who go to bars and they can't even figure that out. So you have to give the monkeys credit where due bro.
Also, most animals do not kill each other when they fight to defend their territory. Human beings are one of the few species to do so and the only species to kill for sport, religious beliefs and revenge. To date no other animal has developed a means of exterminating itself along with every other species on the planet. Humans may not be the most rational animals on Earth.
I'm sure if I would have had my own place and wheels I could have done the same. Unfortunately for me I was sleeping on the couch and was only there for a week. The babe we met worked long hours during the week and only had weekends to relax, and I was leaving the following weekend.Good to hear about LA and your cousin. The problem is that not everybody lives in LA where all the horny girls are!:)
But what's more interesting, that in USA you always here this "if' and "could"!
You made this excuse about sleeping on the couch for a week.(at least you're honest, thanks!) So that was the excuse for not scoring? One whole week! You can score with about 10-20 women! If what you say is true.
So you did not have confidence to get into some girl's place? You did not have confidence to take a girl to the couch?? Cannot fuck on the beach? One my EE friend fucked a girl in Florida on the fucking beach!
Why would do you need wheels to score??? Are you kidding?
Sorry dude, you just made a million stupid reason not to score in USA. And to make it worse in LA. So it must be something else, not the reasons you talk about.
For example in Russia that's never a problem! does not matter where you sleep. people would fuck in any shithole possible. Also one GF in Russia told me she always wanted to have her own apartment so she can invite a guy over.
Anyway, only in USA I hear "Ifs", "could" and "maybe" bullshit all the time.
Some my friends used to go to "spring breaks" while I was going to other countries and had fucked lots of girls. They loughed at me since I was spending 2-3 times more money. but they were always coming back with "ifs", "buts" and "coulds". "Yeah that girl was friendly and nice, but if that.. then maybe. And "yeah we saw many topless girls but..."
Or:
'If I want a girl I would go to that party, there are plenty of horny 18 y.e."
-have you done that?
-nope.. but I can if i want to..
-lets do it now
-no I can't...
I never never ever hear this crap in Latin America or EE. Only in USA(or similar)
"You know that perfect 10 that charges you more and puts less effort into the session?"
No, and I don't want to. After 37 years of mongering I define a 10 as:
1) A seven that makes me come three times
2) A five that gives twice as much effortDickhead,
I actually think this grade scale 1-10 is stupid. everybody has it's own scale. For some 1 is 10, and 10 is 1.
For example, for me after Rio/Brazil a 10 is:
an 11 who is completa and sucks, fucks, etc.. as 20 or 30
for the same amount of money $50-$100 or so.
For the American pussy "patriots", don't tell this crap you can do it for 'free' in USA. even though if you have apto, wheels and "confidence'.
ThatGuy865
06-20-09, 19:27
Yes they do. While it is thought that most animals cannot carry out higher mental functions it is well documented that chimps and dolphins can solve problems and use tools. The monkeys in the study figured out that they needed to spend let time on individual females to get laid when there were higher numbers of females. There are a lot of guys who go to bars and they can't even figure that out. So you have to give the monkeys credit where due bro.
Also, most animals do not kill each other when they fight to defend their territory. Human beings are one of the few species to do so and the only species to kill for sport, religious beliefs and revenge. To date no other animal has developed a means of exterminating itself along with every other species on the planet. Humans may not be the most rational animals on Earth.Monkeys do kill other monkeys of their own species and not for food.
Do animals have sports, religious beliefs or know what revenge is. How do would you know why a moneky will kill another monkey, but they do.
In nature the higher the species the more violent they are.
Its really hard for animals of lower intellegence to kill each other since they don't have any tools such as knives, guns. Nor the knowledge of their anatomy to know how to choke another animal to death.
Take a lion or tiger cub and raise it in a zoo, and when its grown put it back into the jungle and they will die because they will not figure out how to kill to eat.
Secondly the researches did not compare the monkeys activity to paying a prostitute. You did.
Its more like the male monkeys that made the best provider got laid the most. Which is closer to the human male to women behavior.
Men who make more money, have nice cars, homes, dress well attract more women. Humans don't have to spend more on the women, because we can reason if he has all that he must be well off. Then women know if they marry that guy, she will be well provided for. Its a matter of security.
For the monkey its food, for women its a man's earning potential. But that doesn't mean if you don't make a lot of money you can't get a women. Just some women will be out of your reach because they demand a higher standard of living than you can provide.
Thats true even in the P4P business too. There are women out there who demand 5K per night. And I would say they are out of reach for most guys on this forum. But for the man making 1 million and more a year. They are affordable.
So no matter which way you look at it. The man who goes for non-pro's or the guy who participates in the P4P game. There are going to be women who are unattainable based upon your income. Thats just a fact of life.
Jelly Donut
06-20-09, 22:27
But this forum is for AW. Please?
Excellent Yogin -
I have to admit I've been waiting for your "get back on topic" post for some days now. I did the analysis on your posting history not far back and determined that more than 6.5 percent of all your ISG posts involve keeping the American Women thread on topic. I invite anyone to check my math.
I hope you don't mind; I'm glad you are back, I was getting concerned as the thread teetered and fell from it's apparent topic. Where's Yogin? I missed your eccentric dedication to orderly conversation here on this odd strand of the web. I hope and anticipate my observation will not dampen your enthusiasm.
Still, to my 'eccentric' point, I understand the importance of keeping many of the ISG threads on topic. For instance, no one wants to find a bunch of chatter in a photo gallery; on most threads guys are looking for material information and not mind-numbing opinion. But this is the lowly, subjective AW thread, not the India photo gallery.
The reality is this specific thread has never focused on "facilitating the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex" with American women. If anything, the majority of posters here discourage sex and involvement with American women. In that sense, it has always been off topic. Pity the fool who posts here looking for feedback on, say, his coming wedding to an American woman.
And, it seems obvious, this thread would be much less interesting if it were held to the tightest editorial standards of ISG. It serves as a counter-point to many of the other threads. "I never knew how life was until I left the United States for country X or Y or Z and discovered something beyond American Women; I need to tell somebody about it". That kind of thing.
And if you could only post information here for the purpose of facilitating sex with AWs, it would be a far less-interesting read. Do you see how I am looking at this? If so, you may see why I also view your many posts toward keeping this thread on topic as a curiosity.
Having typed that, I understand folks move off topic, like the tides the chatter ebbs and flows, but, again, the real mystery for me here is your sustained commitment to herd the conversation. Are you doing some kind of study?
Sincerely and intentionally ~ Jelly Donut
There is not any point on posting anything on this thread about "facilitating sex with American women" as an entire separate forum exists for this purpose: the USA forum. And that is a sad place indeed.
So I think the intended purpose of this thread, since it exists on the InternationalSexGuideForum, is to discuss differences between and similarities among AWs and their international counterparts, and how that might affect the hobbyists who comprise the clientele of this international forum.
But if you would like me to bring this back on topic, as I often have, I will try to do so. Last night I went to a bar in Buenos Aires called The Spot. I used to go there often when I lived in the neighborhood in 2004-2005 and now I have, perhaps propinquitously, returned to the same neighborhood (three blocks from my previous apartment).
The place has cheap drinks, relative to other places in this fairly expensive neighborhood, and a good happy hour. Previously it got a lot of patronage from Americans who were down here studying English, but the majority of the clientele were Argentineans. I'm happy to say the prices are still reasonable and the bartenders pour quite freely, but I'm unhappy to say that 80% of the people in there were speaking English.
Now, I have to say, most of the AWs in there were cute and few were fat. However, there were other issues. Sloppy dress, baggy clothing, loud voices which drove home the point that they could not speak a full sentence without like you know I mean two or three like um er uh you know it was like totally you know like bogus. So I, Richard T. Head, a very social animal, attempted to approach several with basic things like, "Hi, my name is Dick. I see you are from the You Ess. Would you like to sit and have a drink?" Just basic bar stuff.
I wasn't drunk and was decently dressed and had showered, shaved, brushed my teeth, and used deodorant. I am older and do not resemble Brad Pitt but I am not fat or bald or covered with oozing sores. I performed this experiment five times with the following results:
#1 said she was with someone. I had been there half an hour and remained there another hour and a half and deem this to be bullshit.
#2 looked me up and down and said, "Umm I have to leave soon," then stayed another hour during which time two American suckers were buying her drinks, several drinks each.
#3 said she just there to practice her Spanish so I said, "Hace mucho tiempo vivo en Buenos Aires y hablo castellano fluido si quieres practicar." We determined her Spanish was virtually non-existent and she got embarrassed (because lying) and walked away.
The other two just blew me off rudely. So, I left and went to a privado where I got laid for about the amount it would have cost me to have two rounds of drinks with any of these women. And, the gal I fucked was better looking than four of the five I attempted to talk to.
I have, perhaps propinquitously, returned to the same neighborhood. I'm unhappy to say that 80% of the people in there were speaking English. Unlike you, Richard.
The gal I fucked was better looking than four of the five I attempted to talk to. Perhaps because you were propinquitous at the time. ;)
So I hooked up with a woman I've known in my professional field for a number of years, a big girl but a nice heart.
She lives a few hours away from me, and I suggested we go away for a weekend. Never had had any physical contact with her before that. She was game.
Now I wasn't necessarily expecting anything, and by the time the trip arrived, I'd caught a nasty flu, and I gave her the option out. She still wanted to go. And all this time, I'd told her I really wasn't looking for a steady relationship, what with starting a new job and all that.
So we went, and she put the moves on me first, and I nailed her nine times that weekend. And that was with the Nyquil and Jager.
A couple weeks later, she had to fly away on business from my city, so I invited her to stay before and after her flights, and we screwed then, too.
Last time I saw her she said if this relationship wasn't going anywhere, there'd be no more sex.
This was after I told her repeatedly if she felt like hooking up with someone else to feel free, that I wasn't looking for serious ties now.
So then she began a little character assassination, and I don't hear much from her now.
She's a nice girl, and she actually drove for our trip and insisted on covering meals. Always wants to go Dutch otherwise.
What's strange to me is that she initiated the sex, with basically me doing all the work, and her just laying there. Then she said she was disappointed I didn't give her a massage.
And she can't cook, and her house is worse than mine in terms of cleanliness.
So basically, if I just get access to her vagina, I'm supposed to adhere to the party line. I can't quite get that.
My most meaningful relationship in years has been a fleeting one with the married mamasan of an AMP. Things don't get complicated there.
Excellent points JellyDonut and Yogin.......with all this talk about the sex lives of Chimpanzee & dolphins, and a monger writing a dissertation on Buddhism and Atheism. I was beginning to wonder, if we all were starting to lose our minds.
Excellent Yogin -
I have to admit I've been waiting for your "get back on topic" post for some days now. I did the analysis on your posting history not far back and determined that more than 6.5 percent of all your ISG posts involve keeping the American Women thread on topic. I invite anyone to check my math.
I hope you don't mind; I'm glad you are back, I was getting concerned as the thread teetered and fell from it's apparent topic. Where's Yogin? I missed your eccentric dedication to orderly conversation here on this odd strand of the web. I hope and anticipate my observation will not dampen your enthusiasm.
Still, to my 'eccentric' point, I understand the importance of keeping many of the ISG threads on topic. For instance, no one wants to find a bunch of chatter in a photo gallery; on most threads guys are looking for material information and not mind-numbing opinion. But this is the lowly, subjective AW thread, not the India photo gallery.
The reality is this specific thread has never focused on "facilitating the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex" with American women. If anything, the majority of posters here discourage sex and involvement with American women. In that sense, it has always been off topic. Pity the fool who posts here looking for feedback on, say, his coming wedding to an American woman.
And, it seems obvious, this thread would be much less interesting if it were held to the tightest editorial standards of ISG. It serves as a counter-point to many of the other threads. "I never knew how life was until I left the United States for country X or Y or Z and discovered something beyond American Women; I need to tell somebody about it". That kind of thing.
And if you could only post information here for the purpose of facilitating sex with AWs, it would be a far less-interesting read. Do you see how I am looking at this? If so, you may see why I also view your many posts toward keeping this thread on topic as a curiosity.
Having typed that, I understand folks move off topic, like the tides the chatter ebbs and flows, but, again, the real mystery for me here is your sustained commitment to herd the conversation. Are you doing some kind of study?
Sincerely and intentionally ~ Jelly Donut
ThatGuy865
06-21-09, 05:04
Good to hear about LA and your cousin. The problem is that not everybody lives in LA where all the horny girls are!:)
But what's more interesting, that in USA you always here this "if' and "could"!
You made this excuse about sleeping on the couch for a week.(at least you're honest, thanks!) So that was the excuse for not scoring? One whole week! You can score with about 10-20 women! If what you say is true.
So you did not have confidence to get into some girl's place? You did not have confidence to take a girl to the couch?? Cannot fuck on the beach? One my EE friend fucked a girl in Florida on the fucking beach!
Why would do you need wheels to score??? Are you kidding?
Sorry dude, you just made a million stupid reason not to score in USA. And to make it worse in LA. So it must be something else, not the reasons you talk about.
For example in Russia that's never a problem! does not matter where you sleep. people would fuck in any shithole possible. Also one GF in Russia told me she always wanted to have her own apartment so she can invite a guy over.
Anyway, only in USA I hear "Ifs", "could" and "maybe" bullshit all the time.
Some my friends used to go to "spring breaks" while I was going to other countries and had fucked lots of girls. They loughed at me since I was spending 2-3 times more money. but they were always coming back with "ifs", "buts" and "coulds". "Yeah that girl was friendly and nice, but if that.. then maybe. And "yeah we saw many topless girls but..."
Or:
'If I want a girl I would go to that party, there are plenty of horny 18 y.e."
-have you done that?
-nope.. but I can if i want to..
-lets do it now
-no I can't...
I never never ever hear this crap in Latin America or EE. Only in USA(or similar)You have it wrong gonga fung. I was busy doing the family thing so I had limited amount of time to pursue women. It was not a monger vacation. It just so happens I stayed with my cousin and I was describing his lifestyle.
You obviously have not been to LA. Its a town which you need a car to get around. Public transportation is pretty bad. It will take you about 2 hours or more to get anywhere on public transportation. Besides I don't do public transportation in the USA Sorry that just ain't my style.
And don't even talk about confidence. I have had pleny one night stands. Screwed women from every walk of life in all types of situations. Too many to remember them all. I'm not talking P4P either, Confidence is the last thing I lack. I have no problem meeting women. I didn't try the P4P thing until my late 30's and then only about once or twice a year. I always figured it was for people "who lacked confidence" and were losers. It was almost 7 years later that I became a little more open to the whole P4P thing.
The reason in Russia people will fuck in any shithole. Is because most don't have their own place or a decent place to take you to anyway. So what difference does it make. A shithole is all they can get. The average russians wage is like $450 a month. The majority is shithole poor.
In america. You won't find too many women willing to fuck in a shithole. Thats just the bottome line. They have a higher standard.
ThatGuy865
06-21-09, 05:18
Now, I have to say, most of the AWs in there were cute and few were fat. However, there were other issues. Sloppy dress, baggy clothing, loud voices which drove home the point that they could not speak a full sentence without like you know I mean two or three like um er uh you know it was like totally you know like bogus. So I, Richard T. Head, a very social animal, attempted to approach several with basic things like, "Hi, my name is Dick. I see you are from the You Ess. Would you like to sit and have a drink? " Just basic bar stuff.
I wasn't drunk and was decently dressed and had showered, shaved, brushed my teeth, and used deodorant. I am older and do not resemble Brad Pitt but I am not fat or bald or covered with oozing sores. I performed this experiment five times with the following results:
#1 said she was with someone. I had been there half an hour and remained there another hour and a half and deem this to be bullshit.
#2 looked me up and down and said, "Umm I have to leave soon, " then stayed another hour during which time two American suckers were buying her drinks, several drinks each.
#3 said she just there to practice her Spanish so I said, "Hace mucho tiempo vivo en Buenos Aires y hablo castellano fluido si quieres practicar." We determined her Spanish was virtually non-existent and she got embarrassed (because lying) and walked away.
The other two just blew me off rudely. So, I left and went to a privado where I got laid for about the amount it would have cost me to have two rounds of drinks with any of these women. And, the gal I fucked was better looking than four of the five I attempted to talk to.Just because you shaved, dressed decent and put on deodorant. Does that mean a girls should be attracted to you. Especially young attractive women who are in a foreign country who probably are looking for a foreigner in the first place. Why else would they be there.
You have to come up with more then "Hi My name is Dick" to interest a women, especially under those conditions, especially if you're older and no brad pitt type. How many guys go to foreign countries would pick up an AW, not many, they go to meet foreign women, so it works both ways.
Shit you didn't get an non-pro of any type. So it wasnt just the AW. You didn't score with any women in there and had to P4P. So don't put it on the AW. Work on your approach and maybe things will workout better next time.
Jelly: I don't know whether to feel honored or creeped out that you went through so much trouble as to analyze the content of my career ISG posts. Guess I feel a little of both. Thank you for your insights and perspectives. I understand how our conversation about AW will by its nature delve into comparative experiences with international women. While you make a highly valid point that AW page is by definition far more free-wheeling than the India Photo page, come on, really: Chimps & Buddhism? And no I am not conducting any kind of research project for professional or academic purposes. Far from it.
Mr. Head: Thank you for the story. That about sums up my AW experiences quite concisely.
DJ FourMoney
06-21-09, 12:05
Good to hear about LA and your cousin. The problem is that not everybody lives in LA where all the horny girls are!:)
But what's more interesting, that in USA you always here this "if' and "could"!
You made this excuse about sleeping on the couch for a week.(at least you're honest, thanks!) So that was the excuse for not scoring? One whole week! You can score with about 10-20 women! If what you say is true.
So you did not have confidence to get into some girl's place? You did not have confidence to take a girl to the couch?? Cannot fuck on the beach? One my EE friend fucked a girl in Florida on the fucking beach!
Why would do you need wheels to score??? Are you kidding?
Sorry dude, you just made a million stupid reason not to score in USA. And to make it worse in LA. So it must be something else, not the reasons you talk about.
For example in Russia that's never a problem! does not matter where you sleep. people would fuck in any shithole possible. Also one GF in Russia told me she always wanted to have her own apartment so she can invite a guy over.
Anyway, only in USA I hear "Ifs", "could" and "maybe" bullshit all the time.
Some my friends used to go to "spring breaks" while I was going to other countries and had fucked lots of girls. They loughed at me since I was spending 2-3 times more money. but they were always coming back with "ifs", "buts" and "coulds". "Yeah that girl was friendly and nice, but if that.. then maybe. And "yeah we saw many topless girls but..."
Or:
'If I want a girl I would go to that party, there are plenty of horny 18 y.e."
-have you done that?
-nope.. but I can if i want to..
-lets do it now
-no I can't...
I never never ever hear this crap in Latin America or EE. Only in USA(or similar)
I still wonder about "That Guy"
Can I go out into the starred Los Angeles Nightlife and pick up somebody? I have before, its fairly rare as I am pretty picky actually and end up getting turned down more often than getting the nod of yes. I don't like my odds and it really shouldn't be like that.
But I find it interesting you say you came back from LA where the beaches are filled with hot roller-blading women, well it was overcast much of this week (and last) so I don't know when you were out here, but I'm starting to call B.S., its been a true June gloom here.
You make it sound like none of us have game and are complaining because its our fault we are not having success. I have to keep saying it because you haven't bothered to go back to read any of the other post that say otherwise.
The problem is for every nice woman out there that isn't with a group of her spite-filled girlfriends, there are 100's of women out there with the attitude of no man is good enough for me, even if your 5 or below on the old scale.
I never said LA didn't have hot women, I dare somebody to find a place full of more attractive women at any given moment in public. Yes Kyiv has many attractive women, but from the neck up mostly. I found many average looking and worst women in Germany. I saw better looking women in the shopping areas in Stockholm than I did in the night clubs I hit later on that evening.
But I can walk around Beverly Center and find not only hotties in the mall but working in the mall. Taking a stroll down Melrose, there's are numerous attractive women around. They are all over LA and a dime a dozen....
That doesn't mean I am not trying and don't have success, I do but not as often as I would like given the effort put in. Its much easier overseas and if all else fails, P4P is legal or tolerated....
Men in America put up with far too much bullshit to really understand that there are other options out there. I met a Moldavian women who met her American husband on My Space, she wasn't all that but not ugly either, so would you be ready to call that dude a looser????
ThatGuy865
06-21-09, 13:06
I still wonder about "That Guy"
Can I go out into the starred Los Angeles Nightlife and pick up somebody? I have before, its fairly rare as I am pretty picky actually and end up getting turned down more often than getting the nod of yes. I don't like my odds and it really shouldn't be like that.
But I find it interesting you say you came back from LA where the beaches are filled with hot roller-blading women, well it was overcast much of this week (and last) so I don't know when you were out here, but I'm starting to call B.S., its been a true June gloom here.
You make it sound like none of us have game and are complaining because its our fault we are not having success. I have to keep saying it because you haven't bothered to go back to read any of the other post that say otherwise.
The problem is for every nice woman out there that isn't with a group of her spite-filled girlfriends, there are 100's of women out there with the attitude of no man is good enough for me, even if your 5 or below on the old scale.
I never said LA didn't have hot women, I dare somebody to find a place full of more attractive women at any given moment in public. Yes Kyiv has many attractive women, but from the neck up mostly. I found many average looking and worst women in Germany. I saw better looking women in the shopping areas in Stockholm than I did in the night clubs I hit later on that evening.
But I can walk around Beverly Center and find not only hotties in the mall but working in the mall. Taking a stroll down Melrose, there's are numerous attractive women around. They are all over LA and a dime a dozen....
That doesn't mean I am not trying and don't have success, I do but not as often as I would like given the effort put in. Its much easier overseas and if all else fails, P4P is legal or tolerated....
Men in America put up with far too much bullshit to really understand that there are other options out there. I met a Moldavian women who met her American husband on My Space, she wasn't all that but not ugly either, so would you be ready to call that dude a looser????I went to Venice and Santa monica beach, and when I say I just came back I didn't mean literally that day. It was the memorial holiday week. And compared to where I am. There were a lot of women out.
I never said it was easy to get AW either. Thats what makes it so satisfying. Especially the more desireable ones. Maybe thats the issue with most guys who complain about them. They want AW to just fuck them after the first conversation. You are talking about women who are living at the highest standards of living in the world. It ain't going to be easy. What besides some dick do you bring to the table, whats in it for them. Look at it from their point of view. They can get dicked any day of the week, so why should she pick you.
Unlike a lot of women in other countries, you generally don't have to worry about supporting AW, Most will be self supporting, you don't have to worry about her asking for support or asking you to help her immediate family. The usual things a women from lets say South America, EE, and most of SEA will ask.
I never said anything about anyone using the internet to find women. I stated, I felt, and mainly still do that men under 35 that use P4P as their ONLY/PRIMARY means for getting sex are losers.
There is not any point on posting anything on this thread about "facilitating sex with American women" as an entire separate forum exists for this purpose: the USA forum. And that is a sad place indeed.
So I think the intended purpose of this thread, since it exists on the InternationalSexGuideForum, is to discuss differences between and similarities among AWs and their international counterparts, and how that might affect the hobbyists who comprise the clientele of this international forum.
But if you would like me to bring this back on topic, as I often have, I will try to do so. Last night I went to a bar in Buenos Aires called The Spot. I used to go there often when I lived in the neighborhood in 2004-2005 and now I have, perhaps propinquitously, returned to the same neighborhood (three blocks from my previous apartment).
The place has cheap drinks, relative to other places in this fairly expensive neighborhood, and a good happy hour. Previously it got a lot of patronage from Americans who were down here studying English, but the majority of the clientele were Argentineans. I'm happy to say the prices are still reasonable and the bartenders pour quite freely, but I'm unhappy to say that 80% of the people in there were speaking English.
Now, I have to say, most of the AWs in there were cute and few were fat. However, there were other issues. Sloppy dress, baggy clothing, loud voices which drove home the point that they could not speak a full sentence without like you know I mean two or three like um er uh you know it was like totally you know like bogus. So I, Richard T. Head, a very social animal, attempted to approach several with basic things like, "Hi, my name is Dick. I see you are from the You Ess. Would you like to sit and have a drink?" Just basic bar stuff.
I wasn't drunk and was decently dressed and had showered, shaved, brushed my teeth, and used deodorant. I am older and do not resemble Brad Pitt but I am not fat or bald or covered with oozing sores. I performed this experiment five times with the following results:
#1 said she was with someone. I had been there half an hour and remained there another hour and a half and deem this to be bullshit.
#2 looked me up and down and said, "Umm I have to leave soon," then stayed another hour during which time two American suckers were buying her drinks, several drinks each.
#3 said she just there to practice her Spanish so I said, "Hace mucho tiempo vivo en Buenos Aires y hablo castellano fluido si quieres practicar." We determined her Spanish was virtually non-existent and she got embarrassed (because lying) and walked away.
The other two just blew me off rudely. So, I left and went to a privado where I got laid for about the amount it would have cost me to have two rounds of drinks with any of these women. And, the gal I fucked was better looking than four of the five I attempted to talk to.
DH so what are you saying? The American women suck or you suck? I don’t think neither of you suck. The women just were not interested. Nothing wrong with that. So you went to a “privado” not sure what that is but I am assuming it is a *****house and got laid. Have you ever rejected a girl?
After my three straight weeks of mongering decided to take a short hiatus. Hit the local mall just to flirt with normal girls this afternoon. because I was simply bored. Did I get lucky? Nope. Am I disappointed? Nope.
Let me tell you the whole story I live in upscale area of the Philippines where 15 mil PHP about $300,000 houses is not an uncommon sight. The girls that frequent this mall are not strapped for cash…..Second thing is the whole Filipinas love foreigners is a myth. When I am out and about the most beautiful Filipinas you see are with successful Filipino men (or ones with inheritated money). You smell what I am cooking.
Now I was not bold as you I didn’t try to start up a conversation I didn’t approach any. I only made eye contact. Some kept a plain face. Some ignored. Some looked angry(the universal fuck off face) but there were no inviting smiles. I had one girl who came and sat way too close to me. She was waiting on me to make a move. But she was unattractive and looked poor. I simply ignored her.
Now if I went to a poorer area of the Philippines maybe I would have got more inviting smiles. Now tell me what is the difference between choosy American women and women everywhere else. I mean *****s are *****s right?
But see, it's not the same thing if I go to bar that is not full of American women. Argentinean women are more than happy to sit and have a drink and chat. Do they then immediately jump into bed with you? Not always, but way, way more often then in the You Ess. I just don't go to bars much any more but I thought I would try this one since it is so close to where I am living. I guess there is a language school near there and that's why there were so many gringas there; that's what the bartender told me.
A privado is a particular type of *****house we have down here, just a regular apartment with working girls in it. I prefer these to the clubs because I don't like the noise and smoke in the clubs.
I had identical experiences as DH did, but in an affluent area of Tokyo where I was for a few days last year. In various coffeeshops and bars I had no trouble at all striking up friendly conversations with numerous attractive Japanese women (average by Japanese standards/knockouts by US standards). Did I get lucky? Only once but that's ok. But they were all friendly, kind, and open to conversation and a little company. I was not dressed in expensive clothing and am no Brad Pitt. But I am not gross. I am not fat, am healthy, and clean up well.
Where I have done this in comparable places in the US I have been given the "f-off stare" or saw them reach into their purse presumably for the pepper spray. That's right. Back home I'm suddenly a suspected sexual predator or stalker.
Chocha Monger
06-21-09, 22:47
Good to hear about LA and your cousin. The problem is that not everybody lives in LA where all the horny girls are!:)
But what's more interesting, that in USA you always here this "if' and "could"!
You made this excuse about sleeping on the couch for a week.(at least you're honest, thanks!) So that was the excuse for not scoring? One whole week! You can score with about 10-20 women! If what you say is true.
So you did not have confidence to get into some girl's place? You did not have confidence to take a girl to the couch?? Cannot fuck on the beach? One my EE friend fucked a girl in Florida on the fucking beach!
Why would do you need wheels to score??? Are you kidding?
Sorry dude, you just made a million stupid reason not to score in USA. And to make it worse in LA. So it must be something else, not the reasons you talk about.
For example in Russia that's never a problem! does not matter where you sleep. people would fuck in any shithole possible. Also one GF in Russia told me she always wanted to have her own apartment so she can invite a guy over.
Anyway, only in USA I hear "Ifs", "could" and "maybe" bullshit all the time.
Some my friends used to go to "spring breaks" while I was going to other countries and had fucked lots of girls. They loughed at me since I was spending 2-3 times more money. but they were always coming back with "ifs", "buts" and "coulds". "Yeah that girl was friendly and nice, but if that.. then maybe. And "yeah we saw many topless girls but..."
Or:
'If I want a girl I would go to that party, there are plenty of horny 18 y.e."
-have you done that?
-nope.. but I can if i want to..
-lets do it now
-no I can't...
I never never ever hear this crap in Latin America or EE. Only in USA(or similar)
Goga Fung makes some excellent points. All these hypothetical situations of where you could have fucked if the moment was right sounds like a Viagra ad gone bad. The bottom line is did you fuck or not? If you did not fuck then you DID NOT FUCK! You went home with a dry wrinkled penis. End of story.
I remember guys telling hundreds of these bullshit stories in college. My response was always, you did not score STFU! Some would even stoop so low as to lie on their cocks and claim they fucked when they didn't. A few of the unlucky ones got their cards pulled in public when the girls they claimed to have fucked exposed them as the liars they were. Many of these guys were jocks and they had to lie about getting laid. Face it. When it comes to getting quality pussy in the US the majority of guys have pathetic sex lives.
Reminds of my old college days in Pennsylvania, when guys would travel down to Florida for spring break and claim the gals were handing out free pussy like ice cream. I cornered one of these sorry souls, when he returned, and asked him if it was true, free pussy was available on every street corner, and he told me truthfully it was just a myth. Out of a group of five guys who had travelled to Florida none of 'em scored. Amazing.
Now you can go to areas of London, Frankfurt, Paris, Amsterdam, the Caribbean and find AW easily giving up their pussies to foreign men for free.
Goga Fung makes some excellent points. All these hypothetical situations of where you could have fucked if the moment was right sounds like a Viagra ad gone bad. The bottom line is did you fuck or not? If you did not fuck then you DID NOT FUCK! You went home with a dry wrinkled penis. End of story.
I remember guys telling hundreds of these bullshit stories in college. My response was always, you did not score STFU! Some would even stoop so low as to lie on their cocks and claim they fucked when they didn't. A few of the unlucky ones got their cards pulled in public when the girls they claimed to have fucked exposed them as the liars they were. Many of these guys were jocks and they had to lie about getting laid. Face it. When it comes to getting quality pussy in the US the majority of guys have pathetic sex lives.
I had identical experiences as DH did, but in an affluent area of Tokyo where I was for a few days last year. In various coffeeshops and bars I had no trouble at all striking up friendly conversations with numerous attractive Japanese women (average by Japanese standards/knockouts by US standards). Did I get lucky? Only once but that's ok. But they were all friendly, kind, and open to conversation and a little company. I was not dressed in expensive clothing and am no Brad Pitt. But I am not gross. I am not fat, am healthy, and clean up well.
Where I have done this in comparable places in the US I have been given the "f-off stare" or saw them reach into their purse presumably for the pepper spray. That's right. Back home I'm suddenly a suspected sexual predator or stalker.
Japanese women have an infatuation with foreigners for the most part a lot of them also want a chance to practice English with a native speaker. Especially the ones that hang out in foreigner dominated areas. I must admit though they are very approachable. I lived there for the whole year of 2007. That time if you notice I didn't post much on ISG LOL. Way too busy :D
ThatGuy865
06-22-09, 01:20
You guys can't even get a conversation with AW and you then you have the nerve to comment on what someone else should or could do.
This from guys who's only way to get laid is to travel thousands of miles to another country. I wouldn't comment on anyone if I were you guys. What you should be doing. Is trying to learn how to get some pussy without having to make it a business deal or traveling to another country.
But then if you could, you wouldn't be on here bitchin about AW. Would you. Yeah you guys are right. Keep traveling and leave the AW to those who got game. Pimpish ass thatguy is out of here. And as they say. "Don't hate the players. Hate the game" Later.
You guys can't even get a conversation with AW and you then you have the nerve to comment on what someone else should or could do.
This from guys who's only way to get laid is to travel thousands of miles to another country. I wouldn't comment on anyone if I were you guys. What you should be doing. Is trying to learn how to get some pussy without having to make it a business deal or traveling to another country.
But then if you could, you wouldn't be on here bitchin about AW. Would you. Yeah you guys are right. Keep traveling and leave the AW to those who got game. Pimpish ass thatguy is out of here. And as they say. "Don't hate the players. Hate the game" Later.
That guy I like your post. While I don’t have the “game” or the looks. I don’t hate the guys that do or hate the women that choose to spend their time elsewhere. I know for a fact there are American men taking plenty of quality American women into their bed. I also have found that men who attract American women have no problem attracting women overseas also. It is no different from Manila to Houston (and no I am not from Houston, I am an up north type cat) no matter where you go. Women are women.
Illogic over and out.
pimply ass thatguy: i can get laid by aw. they are just not worth it, that's all. lousy joyless sex, rude loud and lacking in manners, sense of entitlement, demanding, and they expect to call all the shots. what's not to love?
you sound like sour grapes aw who call any guy a loser who has given up on them and has found happiness with a foreign lady. live abroad. you'll see soon enough what we are talking about. i don't know if it's some misguided chivalry you are exhibiting (defending the honor of your mom or sister) or some patriotic bent. for the record i love my country and my sister & mom. and i see no incongruency in that.
illogic: i have had the same experiences in many other countries besides japan. and we spoke japanese not english. and i was not in a foreigner-heavy area. just using japan as one of many examples i could give.
Illogic: I have had the same experiences in many other countries besides Japan. And we spoke Japanese not English. And I was not in a foreigner-heavy area. Just using Japan as one of many examples I could give.
Thats great Yogin. Well for me its been pretty much same everywhere with me when it comes to women... no luck but I am talking nice looking ones... Only in Japan pretty women would flirt. Normal women with good jobs (money). But then again my traveling is very limited...
Japan, Philippines, Thailand, South Korea, UAE, Uzbekistan
All you guys have nice day.
DJ FourMoney
06-22-09, 09:01
pimply ass thatguy: i can get laid by aw. they are just not worth it, that's all. lousy joyless sex, rude loud and lacking in manners, sense of entitlement, demanding, and they expect to call all the shots. what's not to love?
you sound like sour grapes aw who call any guy a loser who has given up on them and has found happiness with a foreign lady. live abroad. you'll see soon enough what we are talking about. i don't know if it's some misguided chivalry you are exhibiting (defending the honor of your mom or sister) or some patriotic bent. for the record i love my country and my sister & mom. and i see no incongruency in that.
illogic: i have had the same experiences in many other countries besides japan. and we spoke japanese not english. and i was not in a foreigner-heavy area. just using japan as one of many examples i could give.
yeah i don't get this guy, i love my mother, my sister and loathing to admit i love the usa with its thousands of faults, its still home.
having said that, by american standards i am a looser though i make more money than many of these aw, up to their eye balls in credit cards, school loan repayments, rent, car payments and who knows what else they pay for.
only in america do we have to have a reality show about single mothers looking to find victim number 2 or 3. or a new show about average sized women, according to fox, its size 14 - hello! ftw are you thinking that guy? if the majority of aw available are size 14 and larger (look on any single's site) then i rest my case and agree with yogin its just not worth it.
only outside of america can you go up to any random girl and strike up a conversation. it might turn into a date, it might not, thats the way it should be at home, but its not, stop the spin already!
I never said anything about anyone using the internet to find women. I stated, I felt, and mainly still do that men under 35 that use P4P as their ONLY/PRIMARY means for getting sex are losers.Sorry, dude, now what you're saying is complete crap. I know that I'm a loser for sure. And also one my 26 y.o. friend. he lived for one year with a photo model type EE chica. But still he liked better chicas from Colombian casas. I took him last winter to. he wants to go back. And he still goes back to Curacao to Campo Alegre to pay $28 to fuck a girl.
I do not even want to start a conversation about Rio.
I would say that anybody over 0 y.o. who has not scored in a Rio therma is a complete loser.
You have it wrong gonga fung. I was busy doing the family thing so I had limited amount of time to pursue women. It was not a monger vacation. It just so happens I stayed with my cousin and I was describing his lifestyle.I actually got it exactly right. people here always come up with stupid reasons. And you just did it again.
yeah your cousin scores always, even though his life styles sucks... but you cant score because it's "non monger" vacation and actually these girls have higher standards...what the fuck...
you do not need wheels to fuck. every girl has a car. what can be easier. or are you trying to say that she will fuck you for the car?
have you known that you need only few minutes/hours to score? and you do not tell your dick if it's "family" or "monger" time for it?
Dude, why don't you admit, you cannot simply do that in LA/USA
people want to fuck, but they can't, so they come up with BS reasons.
if you could you would do it. You would not be even on this forum BTW. Do not say "could" or "maybe" crap.
The reason in Russia people will fuck in any shithole. Is because most don't have their own place or a decent place to take you to anyway. So what difference does it make. A shithole is all they can get. The average russians wage is like $450 a month. The majority is shithole poor.I do not understand the point. So it is actually about money?
I thought it was about "confidence";) Read you own posts.
Ok, well my GF's in Russia and Ukraine make each about $2000 per month.
They are managers/supervisors. They buy themselves vacations, etc.. I'm actually going with one of them to Spain this week. I did not pay shit for her.
And they do have higher standards than AW, regarding looks, style, behavior etc..
This makes it clear. It's not about money or poor girls.
In america. You won't find too many women willing to fuck in a shithole. Thats just the bottome line. They have a higher standard.Yeah, especially looks and behavor:)
You guys can't even get a conversation with AW and you then you have the nerve to comment on what someone else should or could do.
I have had many conversations with AW. I'm not from USA or LA. A third party opinion: I prefer a conversation with a latin woman. Does not matter working or non working girl.
This from guys who's only way to get laid is to travel thousands of miles to another country. I wouldn't comment on anyone if I were you guys. What you should be doing. Is trying to learn how to get some pussy without having to make it a business deal or traveling to another country.I used to have some GFs in USA. But it turned out that it is actually much cheaper and more rewarding to travel overseas then to have one GF in USA who will fuck with your brains.
Also after my ex-wife, not too many girls in USA attract me. Can you find a girl who is young beautiful, smart, cooks, cleans the house, size 2, virgin when married, etc... in USA?
But then if you could, you wouldn't be on here bitchin about AW. Would you. Yeah you guys are right. Keep traveling and leave the AW to those who got game. Pimpish ass thatguy is out of here. And as they say. "Don't hate the players. Hate the game" Later.I kinda find it interesting often I see guys overseas with even worse looking girls than back in USA. Of course it's the personal preference. But i can only imagine how bad it has to be in USA that a guy goes overseas to fuck a not good-looking girl.
For me it's no problema, i'm not american, i do not care, but it's interesting that many AM cannot get along with AW, then it must be really bad.
Brian Moloney
06-22-09, 17:08
Reminds of my old college days in Pennsylvania, when guys would travel down to Florida for spring break and claim the gals were handing out free pussy like ice cream. I cornered one of these sorry souls, when he returned, and asked him if it was true, free pussy was available on every street corner, and he told me truthfully it was just a myth. Out of a group of five guys who had travelled to Florida none of 'em scored. Amazing.
Now you can go to areas of London, Frankfurt, Paris, Amsterdam, the Caribbean and find AW easily giving up their pussies to foreign men for free.
Me and my bro Blaked095 were sitting down in a coffeee shop in the center of Kiev. In front of us the next table were 3 women from the USA. 2 were obiest the other was normal. I could hear them talking LOUD typical North American loud mouths devouring cakes and shit gulping down drinks and it was funny and there speach was something like "What ever" "YouKnow"typical attitude jargon. It was pathetic they glanced at us once in a while hoping we would talk to them because they heard us talking Enlish. I felt SORRY for these attrocities of nature. The other Ukrainian women in the coffee shop look like Run Way models. The women in Kiev DRESS better than the women in Moscow. hard to believe but true. I am heading back to the west coast and putting my home up for sale. Ukraine is BETTER than Moscow cheaper by far and the Ukrainian women have NO attitudes compare to Russian women in the cities. Its hard for me to write this because I have been in LOVE with Moscow for the past 10 years. p4p in Kiev is cheaper and better quality than in Moscow for the price. Food and hotels are cheaper in Kiev than Moscow. Though I have spent countless visits to the Crimea I never spent any time in the North of Ukraine (KIEV) its been 1 month here in Kiev and I can honestly say KIEV is paridise. The rest of the world knows about this financial global meltdown, but it seems that MOSCOW hasnt heard of this, the prices keep going UP UP UP .. Apartments in the center of the city in Kiev are DIRT CHEAP!!!!!!! 300K for a 2 bedroom same flat in MOSCOW 3 million dollars. Yes after staying almost 10 years in Moscow on and off, I NEVER thought I would say this but KIEV is better by far. The OIL and GAS money in Russia has spoil the Russian womens way of thinking. But Rusian women are still easier to talk to than LARD ASS NORTH AMERICAN WOMEN..The way I see it Ukraine will always be a poor country NO natural resources like Russia, So the women will ALWAYS be down to earth. The food is FRESHER in Ukraine than in Russia. Plus there are NO documents needed in Ukraine like Russia.. So the end conclusion I make is TOURISTS will and are now FLOCKING to Ukraine and eventually FUCK IT UP... So thats why I will keep my flat in Moscow... Ukraine will probably be a good place for the next 7 years before it gets fuck up.. Ex pats can afford to live there on a budget very easily, so Moscow being expensive as it is, will have very very very little ex pats living there. I say mongers looking for paridise go to Ukraine. It will soon be polluted in the next 7 years. The writting is on the wall. Oh how I miss Moscow expensive as it is but the writting is on the wall. Moscow will always be Moscow Elites as they are, but at the end of the day it all makes sense to me, A country that will NEVER be control by the WEST and NOT many westerners polluting the country with their way of thinking and living. Ukraine is better for NOW, but all good things come to an end eventually like in the next 7 years.
Me and my bro Blaked095 were sitting down in a coffeee shop in the center of Kiev. In front of us the next table were 3 women from the USA. 2 were obiest the other was normal. I could hear them talking LOUD typical North American loud mouths devouring cakes and shit gulping down drinks and it was funny and there speach was something like "What ever" "YouKnow"typical attitude jargon. It was pathetic they glanced at us once in a while hoping we would talk to them because they heard us talking Enlish. I felt SORRY for these attrocities of nature.haha I love this phrase "atrocities of nature":)
But Rusian women are still easier to talk to than LARD ASS NORTH AMERICAN WOMEN..The way I see it Ukraine will always be a poor country NO natural resources like Russia, So the women will ALWAYS be down to earth. The food is FRESHER in Ukraine than in Russia. Yesterday I happened to go to a shopping mall with my neighbor. We drunk some wine, and I was trying to talk to some girls. I do not know what it is , either my weird look(I wore a Colombian Tshort, maybe that's why people got freaked out) or the bad economy. The girls seem to be even more unfriendlier and pissed then ever! One stupid ***** saw me from a distance and already made a pissed face even before I started talking to her.
She was selling some women's crap so I would not buy anything for sure, but why does she has to get pissed, I do not understand. It looks like the sales are low, no customers around, so maybe that's why those chicks are pissed at everybody. Maybe they should start learning selling their ass.
As Brian Moloney says, I felt SORRY for these atrocities of nature:) But my money for sure will go to South America and Eastern Europe girls. And those American mall chicas can continue getting pissed. What a waste of female meat.
Only one out of about 10 girls was actually friendly and gave me her email. Which of course does not mean anything, but at least one girl was able to behave without giving nasty looks.
Chocha Monger
06-23-09, 06:08
So I hooked up with a woman I've known in my professional field for a number of years, a big girl but a nice heart.
She lives a few hours away from me, and I suggested we go away for a weekend. Never had had any physical contact with her before that. She was game.
Now I wasn't necessarily expecting anything, and by the time the trip arrived, I'd caught a nasty flu, and I gave her the option out. She still wanted to go. And all this time, I'd told her I really wasn't looking for a steady relationship, what with starting a new job and all that.
So we went, and she put the moves on me first, and I nailed her nine times that weekend. And that was with the Nyquil and Jager.
A couple weeks later, she had to fly away on business from my city, so I invited her to stay before and after her flights, and we screwed then, too.
Last time I saw her she said if this relationship wasn't going anywhere, there'd be no more sex.
This was after I told her repeatedly if she felt like hooking up with someone else to feel free, that I wasn't looking for serious ties now.
So then she began a little character assassination, and I don't hear much from her now.
She's a nice girl, and she actually drove for our trip and insisted on covering meals. Always wants to go Dutch otherwise.
What's strange to me is that she initiated the sex, with basically me doing all the work, and her just laying there. Then she said she was disappointed I didn't give her a massage.
And she can't cook, and her house is worse than mine in terms of cleanliness.
So basically, if I just get access to her vagina, I'm supposed to adhere to the party line. I can't quite get that.
My most meaningful relationship in years has been a fleeting one with the married mamasan of an AMP. Things don't get complicated there.
Vaquero,
Thank you for posting your experience here so that we can all share. This whale's behavior is typical of American chicks. You harpooned that whale in her blow-hole over nine times like Captain Ahab. It was hard work and understandably you expected a bit of gratitude. Instead you got slander and an ultimatum. This is a fine example of why a perfectly normal American male would rather choose to pay a good looking woman for some ass instead of riding a cetacean for "free" only to face demands and then have his good name dragged through the mud.
It is said that if you can't kill a man the next best thing is to assassinate his character. Plain and simple, you can't put a price on your good name. That is why companies spend millions of dollars on public relations. Some guys can get laid easily at home but they prefer to travel thousands of miles away and pay some foreign woman to get their jollies for this very reason. Most American women believe that having pussy gives them exclusive power to make the rules, break the rules and exercise veto over men. Funny how you granted her a mercy fuck then suddenly found yourself indebted to her for this act of pity. If she was skinny she'd have expected nothing less than a marriage proposal after the starfish sex.
For those that tout the fine qualities of American women, I say have at them but don't come here lying to us about your or some else's supposedly great experiences. If Victoria Secrets type American women are serving you pussy like free ice cream at a social then don't waste your time telling us about it. We don't don't need to hear about all the pussy we could be getting if we had the right luxury car, mansion, Armani suit, six-figure salary or movie star looks. Of course, American women would take it up the ass if we had all those things and were offering to share it with them. So please don't insult our intelligence.
For those that tout the fine qualities of American women, I say have at them but don't come here lying to us about your or some else's supposedly great experiences. If Victoria Secrets type American women are serving you pussy like free ice cream at a social then don't waste your time telling us about it. We don't don't need to hear about all the pussy we could be getting if we had the right luxury car, mansion, Armani suit, six-figure salary or movie star looks. Of course, American women would take it up the ass if we had all those things and were offering to share it with them. So please don't insult our intelligence.
Wow! I sense some animosity. Peace brother CM. We have an opinion man. No one is right or wrong. I just posted my experiences in the local mall here in PI. Received the fuck off face the same face you will receive in States in fact.
DJ has told us about his friends who are not doing so well financial but still managed to bag quality American chicks. No one is insulting anyone's intelligence just saying women are women. Again peace brother CM if you ever make it out to PI drinks and the WGs are on me.
Brian Moloney
06-23-09, 11:58
i do not understand the point. so it is actually about money?
i thought it was about "confidence";) read you own posts.
ok, well my gf's in russia and ukraine make each about $2000 per month.
they are managers/supervisors. they buy themselves vacations, etc.. i'm actually going with one of them to spain this week. i did not pay shit for her.
and they do have higher standards than aw, regarding looks, style, behavior etc..
this makes it clear. it's not about money or poor girls.yeah, especially looks and behavor:)
thatguy85 you are definately a dumb fuck, you have no clue in life. i am dumb but at least i am rich and i travel the world!!!! moscow is the most expensive city in the world. their are more millionaires and billionaires in moscow than in the usa and canada combined. before and after this melt down. you more than likely can not afford to bring your sorry broke ass to moscow.. yeah the phillipines and thailand thats in your budget for broke ass losers such as yourself i can see you counting your pennies and bahts you are a joke you cry sour grapes because you will never taste a true white slavic beauty. stay in a poor country like the philipines and fuck those $20.00@hour pigs. russia has beautifull hotels . but thats out of your price range and will always be you loser. their are 2 types of people in this world. the haves and the havenots.. you will always be a have not. no money no class no looks ha ha ha ha ha you really lost out in life i actually feel sorry for you.
I just posted my experiences in the local mall here in PI. Received the fuck off face the same face you will receive in States in fact.I think the problem is that in USA generally 9 out of 10(or 99 out of 100) chicks would be either mean, nasty, mean, ugly, nonfeminine, unfuckable, or combinations of those, etc.. And this makes the small leftover % of good-looking potentially nice women actually worse then they are already, since the competition for them is really high. So now they have to become bitches, since many of them do not know how to handle males' attention in a decent way.
On the other hand in many other countries much higher % of women are nice, feminine, and fuckable. When I'm in Colombia I have hard time to find a not-good looking woman. Of course they are there, but hard to find. Its not that I really need, just sometimes interesting to look around and be surprised of the contrast with USA. And many the worst looking Colombian women there would be considered good-looking by American standards.
Here we were talking something about 'American standards". Something is really wrong with it.
Check this out, pretty funny discussion. Its not just me, I definitly could have been mistaken(I look weird to AW), but it's actually American guys write the funny things about AW:
http://messages.yahoo.com/Romance_%26_Relationships/threadview?m=te&bn=17888310%23americanwomanarelazyandspoiled&tid=6288&mid=-1&tof=3&rt=2&frt=2&off=1#-1
Example’s allot of men are seeing and in all honesty not wishing to subject themselves to any longer. (Mind you not all American women are like this but a growing share have fallen into the following category’s from many men’s perspectives)
1) Selfish - to the point where they don't know the difference between love of self and plain downright greed.
2) Deluded - into thinking they "deserve" a rich, model-handsome husband who will "take them away from all of this"--whatever the "this" might be--and leading to resentment when they discover that the universe does NOT revolve around them.
3) Angry - ALL the damn time about things which are so far out of their control as to be nonsensical--and constantly wanting to "discuss" this mind numbing drivel ad nauseam.
4) Psychotic - multiple personalities in the same woman - as "Nomad" put it in the "Star Trek" episode: "Woman...a mass of inconsistencies...", and also when the feminist voices in their heads start with the regrets and victim acculturation.
5) Worthless - anything that does not immediately resolve itself in her favor or to her benefit is meaningless to her, especially husband and family.
6) Lazy - drilled into their head that they "deserve" a maid, nanny and personal slave to take care of every detail - and that their husband/boyfriend is REQUIRED to cater to their each and every mindless whim.
7) Resentful - especially of other women who have things that they do not, in material, spiritual and esoteric senses.
8) Greedy - to them, "housekeeping" means getting the house in the divorce (thanks to Zsa Zsa for that immortal line) and sucking the guy for every last cent, even if they had nothing to do with the building of the nest egg.
9) Mindless - constant, irritating, idle prattle about topics they read about in some women's magazine and then become instant experts--particularly pop psychology and the latest crap they see on “ News Stand “.
10) Vain - believing that they are irresistible to everything in pants and therefore are allowed to behave sluttish and without any honor.
Chocha Monger
06-23-09, 16:29
Wow! I sense some animosity. Peace brother CM. We have an opinion man. No one is right or wrong. I just posted my experiences in the local mall here in PI. Received the fuck off face the same face you will receive in States in fact.
DJ has told us about his friends who are not doing so well financial but still managed to bag quality American chicks. No one is insulting anyone's intelligence just saying women are women. Again peace brother CM if you ever make it out to PI drinks and the WGs are on me.
Illogic,
I don’t doubt you in the least. Of course, not all foreign women are going to be nice to us. Some of them come from families with enough money to send them to the USA to study. They’ve seen our trailer parks and projects. So they may think we’re full of shit when they see us in their country. Some of them belong to their country’s elite. They have maids and the best of what their homeland has to offer. They look down on everyone and they learn the “fuck off” face early.
We shouldn’t assume that we’re welcomed by everyone in a country. I’ve been to countries where the US military, and European or American tourists have been blamed for bringing AIDS to their country. Once on a visit to the Caribbean I saw a group of attractive Swedish girls with a couple of native beach boys. I commented to a local guy next to me that the beach boys were lucky. He laughed and said that they were extremely unlucky because everyone knew that Swedish female tourists were spreading AIDS among the beach bums through bareback sex and cunnilingus. That pretty much explained why other local men seemed to steer clear of tourist women. I also noticed a sign along the road to the docks warning locals about engaging in sex with tourists because of the AIDS risk. It was sponsored by an NGO. So guys who fuck tourists on the island are pretty much at the lower levels of society. This is ironic because in the US they would be considered studs with a lot of game.
Yes. We have different points of view. Your belief that there is a dark side to prostitution isn’t erroneous. There are mongers out there who inflict pain on hookers by insisting that they continue sexual acts previously agreed upon. I think a hooker has a right to back out of a deal if she discovers that she can’t handle a butt-fucking. No amount of money paid justifies butt fucking another human to the point of injury. I suspect that most butt-fuckers really sadists to some degree.
Thank you for the offer. I certainly will look you up when in the Philippines.
[QUOTE=Illogic]Asian women are not known for having voluptuous / thick body parts. But if you have the time, energy and the financial resources to weed through all the skinny girls in Asia (this is one of the main attractions of Asia… slim girls) then more power to you. I think a man looking for big tits would be wiser to go elsewhere]
I have had quite a few slim and stacked Asian beauties, Illogic, and I never said I liked FAT women with big boobs so don't be a dolt.
[QUOTE Illogic] What does being married, single have to do with what you just said? I have said once and I am saying it again this shit is not all good. Do you like to have sex with out of shape old women? What do you think most WG girls are doing? Since Dick Head said my analogy was invalid would you like to lick the pussy of fat old western women for money? I don’t even like fat young girls]
See my comment above.
[QUOTE Illogic] So a woman’s role is to be subservient to a man? Why? I got a friend who has earns double my salary and has traveled with me overseas I have had women in various countries refer to him as easy on the eyes . I never hear him moaning and groaning about American woman. I really think a lot of you guys are just bitter]
Not bitter. Realistic. I still date AWs (sometimes slim n stacked but usually at least stacked) and occasionally get laid but prefer the exoticity, friendliness and fu**ability of foreign women.
Perhaps arguing with you is futile. After all, you are ILLOGIC.
DJ FourMoney
06-23-09, 22:56
Wow! I sense some animosity. Peace brother CM. We have an opinion man. No one is right or wrong. I just posted my experiences in the local mall here in PI. Received the fuck off face the same face you will receive in States in fact.
DJ has told us about his friends who are not doing so well financial but still managed to bag quality American chicks. No one is insulting anyone's intelligence just saying women are women. Again peace brother CM if you ever make it out to PI drinks and the WGs are on me.
I dunno the 23 year old finally dropped my 39 year old friend because FRANKLY he's a looser. Likes to go out on other people's dime and keep the attention of the women he meets by constantly fucking them, kissing them and fondling them to keep their minds off the fact -
He's not working, constantly saying he's hustling for tv/movie work and extra casting calls.
He still owes back child support and works under the table usually to avoid California's tax board.
Yeah they hook up, but its never for a long time and he has burned many bridges in his 39 years, including his mother, brother and sister who all have stable but boring lifestyles.
So if you call that a "Successful" hook up, I dunno you like to by Lemon cars? I mean its NEW you won't know its a Lemon until things constantly go wrong with it.
But he offers women in America who usually have a BORING life of constant working and paying bills some excitement and adventure, by showing them you can be irresponsible totally and still be alive...
He wears out his welcome many times, gets laid more than I do, but in the end, when his looks go away, he'll either shack up with some horrible looking whale or something worst just to have a roof over his head and eat out her nasty snatch....
Another buddy his living with some hollywood producer (she is NOT CUTE AT ALL) and sends my homie rent money every month, on time and he hasn't lived there full time for at least 8 months now.
I don't call these success stories. In typical American hype media machine these might be termed successes but you can't believe that with a straight face can you???
I can't keep saying it, I don't go out as much as I use too because its just a waste of time, my valuable time...
Any man who would let a woman support him or finance his lifestyle is a de facto pimp, not a real man, a waste of skin, and a complete defuckingenerate. Look at this Clark Rockefeller. Women are so fucking stupid sometimes. She made millions of dollars a year. She was married to him for TWELVE YEARS and did not know who he really was. Said in court she never saw his passport, never saw his driver's license (he told her he had an "eye problem" and couldn't drive; shit there are people who are LEGALLY BLIND who can legally drive), he never had a checkbook (other than hers, as she noted wryly). And it ain't like the guy is cute. He sat on his ass for years and finally he agreed to accept a million dollars cash to give her sole custody of their kid, and he still fucked it all up.
DJ what you oughta do is move the hell away from wherever you grew up with these fucking "homeys." Just go anywhere. You have a CDL, right? Just go and get away from all this negative energy.
I dunno the 23 year old finally dropped my 39 year old friend because FRANKLY he's a looser. Likes to go out on other people's dime and keep the attention of the women he meets by constantly fucking them, kissing them and fondling them to keep their minds off the fact -
So if you call that a "Successful" hook up, I dunno you like to by Lemon cars? I mean its NEW you won't know its a Lemon until things constantly go wrong with it.
I don't call these success stories. In typical American hype media machine these might be termed successes but you can't believe that with a straight face can you???
I can't keep saying it, I don't go out as much as I use too because its just a waste of time, my valuable time...
DJ not calling them success stories (whatever the fuck that is) as I don't know your boy. I simply saying he was able to bag American chicks. Court them and get them into bed.
ThatGuy865
06-24-09, 04:41
thatguy85 you are definately a dumb fuck, you have no clue in life. i am dumb but at least i am rich and i travel the world!!!! moscow is the most expensive city in the world. their are more millionaires and billionaires in moscow than in the usa and canada combined. before and after this melt down. you more than likely can not afford to bring your sorry broke ass to moscow.. yeah the phillipines and thailand thats in your budget for broke ass losers such as yourself i can see you counting your pennies and bahts you are a joke you cry sour grapes because you will never taste a true white slavic beauty. stay in a poor country like the philipines and fuck those $20.00@hour pigs. russia has beautifull hotels . but thats out of your price range and will always be you loser. their are 2 types of people in this world. the haves and the havenots.. you will always be a have not. no money no class no looks ha ha ha ha ha you really lost out in life i actually feel sorry for you.damn what hostility.
did i touch a nerve or what. are you that sensitive about russia. you obviously are a wizard or something. from my post you can detect my income, my status in life, my success with women, where i have or have not been. you are something like a nostradamus.
so let me enlighten you on one thing. as i previously stated. you can enjoy all those pale fish belly white slavic hoes. i wouldn't go to russia if you paid for it. well maybe if you paid, but only to see the city, culture and to say i been there done that and one time only. not for the women. pale ass white women don't do anything for me.
i won't even comment on your insults cause that only shows your ignoranc to state such things without ever talking/seeing/or knowing who i am.
bm as you stated you are dum,
if you think russia has the most billionares or millionares. but then you did admit "you are a dum ass". now didn't you. just goes to show you even a dum ass can make money. check any list you want. russia isn't even close.
http://www.aneki.com/billionaires.html
http://www.readnrock.com/?p=63
http://www.forbes.com/2009/03/10/worlds-richest-cities-billionaires-2009-billionaires-cities.html
http://images.businessweek.com/ss/07/10/1018_millionaire/index_01.htm
http://global-economy.suite101.com/article.cfm/millionaire_wealth_statistics_by_country
DJ FourMoney
06-24-09, 12:34
Any man who would let a woman support him or finance his lifestyle is a de facto pimp, not a real man, a waste of skin, and a complete defuckingenerate. Look at this Clark Rockefeller. Women are so fucking stupid sometimes. She made millions of dollars a year. She was married to him for TWELVE YEARS and did not know who he really was. Said in court she never saw his passport, never saw his driver's license (he told her he had an "eye problem" and couldn't drive; shit there are people who are LEGALLY BLIND who can legally drive), he never had a checkbook (other than hers, as she noted wryly). And it ain't like the guy is cute. He sat on his ass for years and finally he agreed to accept a million dollars cash to give her sole custody of their kid, and he still fucked it all up.
DJ what you oughta do is move the hell away from wherever you grew up with these fucking "homeys." Just go anywhere. You have a CDL, right? Just go and get away from all this negative energy.
LOL! I grew up in the West Valley area of the SFV (818)
They aren't that bad, The looser (Mel) isn't really a close friend. My boy's roommate is an annoyance generally; his drunken behavior ruined a sure fire "train" with two up and coming porn actresses once upon a time.
I gave up my CDL, I wasn't using it. All it would take is a simple DMV test to get it back, you don't lose how to drive those things.
I am getting away from all this BS, I am going to spend at the very least 6 months I hope in less than a year (why I got two jobs) to chasing pussy overseas, either Western/Eastern Europe or South America. I plan to come back sexxually drained and willfully engaged...
DJ FourMoney
06-24-09, 12:36
DJ not calling them success stories (whatever the fuck that is) as I don't know your boy. I simply saying he was able to bag American chicks. Court them and get them into bed.
Which is more than I can do -
Being Responsible = Single Mothers and Fat Chicks
Being Irresponsible = Air Headed Hotties and MILF's
Brian Moloney
06-24-09, 17:00
Damn what hostility.
Did I touch a nerve or what. Are you that sensitive about Russia. You obviously are a wizard or something. From my post you can detect my income, my status in life, my success with women, where I have or have not been. You are something like a nostradamus.
So let me enlighten you on one thing. As I previously stated. You can enjoy all those pale fish belly white slavic hoes. I wouldn't go to Russia if you paid for it. Well maybe if you paid, but only to see the city, culture and to say I been there done that and one time only. Not for the women. Pale ass white women don't do anything for me.
I won't even comment on your insults cause that only shows your ignoranc to state such things without ever talking/seeing/or knowing who I am.
BM as you stated you are DUM,
If you think russia has the most billionares or millionares. But then you did admit "you are a dum ass". Now didn't you. Just goes to show you even a Dum ass can make money. Check any list you want. Russia isn't even close.
http://www.aneki.com/billionaires.html
http://www.readnrock.com/?p=63
http://www.forbes.com/2009/03/10/worlds-richest-cities-billionaires-2009-billionaires-cities.html
http://images.businessweek.com/ss/07/10/1018_millionaire/index_01.htm
http://global-economy.suite101.com/article.cfm/millionaire_wealth_statistics_by_country
Arguing back and forth is like school children. The point I am making is YOU can keep ALL the FAT ASS BAD ATTITUDE North American women to yourself. Since you praise them so much. I have had my fill about 15 years ago, if I was smarter which I wasnt. I would of TRAVEL outside the box 30 years ago and save myself a lot of TIME, MONEY!!!!! and aggrevation. So you can stay in the USA in your dream world, and keep parking your broke sorry ass by the TV watching ORCA WINFREY and stay in your fantasy world. This ISG was invented for mongers that TRAVEL internationaly around the globe looking for a better life, some have found some have not. Most are fed up with North American women and their HIGH AND MIGHTY ATTITUDES. I wish you ALL the LUCK in being a DOOR MAT for these women. As the saying goes " He, who knowns NOT and not knows he knows NOT is a fool."
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Moloney
Thatguy85 You are definately a dumb fuck, you have NO clue in life. I am dumb but at least I am rich and I travel the WORLD!!!! Moscow is the most expensive city in the world.
*****************
Damn what hostility.
So let me enlighten you on one thing. As I previously stated. You can enjoy all those pale fish belly white slavic hoes. I wouldn't go to Russia if you paid for it. Well maybe if you paid, but only to see the city, culture and to say I been there done that and one time only. Not for the women. Pale ass white women don't do anything for me.
I won't even comment on your insults cause that only shows your ignoranc to state such things without ever talking/seeing/or knowing who I am.You guys are awesome, please continue:)
I'm kinda wondering, Thatguy865, where did you get this idea about "pale fish belly white slavic hoes". Have you ever seen them? Of course some of them are pale. But also many Filipinas are more pale than many slavics.
Chocha Monger
06-24-09, 22:37
Dickhead,
Have you been hosting SC Gov. Mark Sanford down in Argentina? I bet you took him to all the best privados. It seems even the guys with money, power and fame feel the need to flee from their wonderful American wives. First Spitzer now Sanford, these governors are just not getting their pipes cleaned at home. Someone isn't giving them what they need and they're deciding to get it elsewhere.
I wouldn't hang around with a born-again neocon fuck like that. If he came to BA I would take him to the Charly Bar in Constitución or maybe Oba Oba on calle Rivadavia then I would excuse myself to the bathroom and ditch him there. Or maybe in La Matanza somewhere.
Dickhead,
First Spitzer now Sanford, these governors are just not getting their pipes cleaned at home. Someone isn't giving them what they need and they're deciding to get it elsewhere.
I would not say this is the case....some guys just want a little variety.....especially if their wives best years are not a distant memory...
Chocha Monger
06-25-09, 00:16
I wouldn't hang around with a born-again neocon fuck like that. If he came to BA I would take him to the Charly Bar in Constitución or maybe Oba Oba on calle Rivadavia then I would excuse myself to the bathroom and ditch him there. Or maybe in La Matanza somewhere.
I hear you Dickhead. He gave "hiking the Appalachian Trail" a whole new meaning.
LOL! I knew it was only a matter of hours before we'd see some good jokes about Gov. Sanford! Gives a whole new meaning to the term "GOP Rising Star". So sorry to hear that DH wasn't able to be his guide. Am sure you would have given him a night to remember. Can you post a photo here? His girlfriend is really an ugly old hag?
As a congressman he voted to remove Clinton from office for lying about a BJ, citing his concerns about "moral legitimacy". Agree that with Spitzer it is NONE of our business. But this is different. Sanford left the country without transferring power to someone else, putting the state at tremendous risk had there been an emergency. And it has not been firmly established that he paid for all trips himself. He and Sen Ensign (other presidential contender) were both members of DC's "Christian Fellowship".
I'm going to Peru in December for two weeks, having high hopes...
AP just released her photo. What an ugly old hag. So much for the idea that wealthy, powerful, decent looking American men have great sex lives with their wives.
DJ FourMoney
06-25-09, 04:10
I would not say this is the case....some guys just want a little variety.....especially if their wives best years are not a distant memory...
Yeah Elliot just wanted to bang young pussy, so what, is it REALLY our business? He didn't do it with tax payer dollars. Stanford however has been to Argentina 3 other times!
The GOP is a joke and the sooner most of America realizes this and removes them from office we can actually get some things DONE around here...
DJ FourMoney
06-25-09, 04:12
AP just released her photo. What an ugly old hag. So much for the idea that wealthy, powerful, decent looking American men have great sex lives with their wives.
I'd say his wife hasn't been fucking him since the last child was born... She knew about this affair and that's part of the reason she kicked his arse out.
And ThatGuy wants to defend American Women....
Well what this Sanford was fucking damn sure wasn't YOUNG pussy. Her picture is on the Argentina forum. The AP reports his trip was paid for by himself but wasn't he supposed to be working? Oh wait a minute; I am supposed to be working right now. Sue me. But I am not full-time right now and I worked right up until I finished the second quart of beer. I didn't just disappear for a week. The final exam is due at midnight and two of my colleagues are traveling for pleasure and I have to deal with all their students' questions. Fine, I'm happy to do it, but one is a brand-new employee. Would you, as a brand-new employee, schedule a fucking vacation at that exact time the peak workload came up? I mean, it's an interesting technique but really. And yes, they are both American Women and none of the American Men I work with are pulling this shit. Can you say entitlement? And, the boss (a woman) simply sent me an e-mail telling me to cover for them. I'm finishing my ninth year at this job and I take my vacations during the semester breaks. Always. Still they hired these women and took work away from me. Bread out of my mouth, and I've had to cut back on pussy. And these women mollycoddle the students so they get better evaluations, whereas I enforce academic standards. It's a complete reverse double standard. Kinda like the double standard this fuck Sanford showed when he voted to impeach Clinton and said there had to be "morally accountability" or some such horseshit.
DJ FourMoney
06-25-09, 06:12
Well what this Sanford was fucking damn sure wasn't YOUNG pussy. Her picture is on the Argentina forum. The AP reports his trip was paid for by himself but wasn't he supposed to be working? Oh wait a minute; I am supposed to be working right now. Sue me. But I am not full-time right now and I worked right up until I finished the second quart of beer. I didn't just disappear for a week. The final exam is due at midnight and two of my colleagues are traveling for pleasure and I have to deal with all their students' questions. Fine, I'm happy to do it, but one is a brand-new employee. Would you, as a brand-new employee, schedule a fucking vacation at that exact time the peak workload came up? I mean, it's an interesting technique but really. And yes, they are both American Women and none of the American Men I work with are pulling this shit. Can you say entitlement? And, the boss (a woman) simply sent me an e-mail telling me to cover for them. I'm finishing my ninth year at this job and I take my vacations during the semester breaks. Always. Still they hired these women and took work away from me. Bread out of my mouth, and I've had to cut back on pussy. And these women mollycoddle the students so they get better evaluations, whereas I enforce academic standards. It's a complete reverse double standard. Kinda like the double standard this fuck Sanford showed when he voted to impeach Clinton and said there had to be "morally accountability" or some such horseshit.
That is SO not her picture IS it?
She looks like some sort of night creature you see in horror flicks... :shock:
I dunno but I think so. The guy who posted it is pretty reliable. But maybe she had just stuck a bobby pin into a wall socket. You know we have 220V down here so the shock can be considerable. I mean, Monica Lewinsky was no prize but this hag is way worse. And, if a guy in charge of a major governmental organization can't show good judgment in who he risks his marriage for, what does that say about his overall judgment and leadership? Clinton got pretty much set up but this fucker is just over the top. I take back what I said earlier about the Charly Bar and Oba Oba cuz actually he would have been better off going to either of those places. Or Balabaca in Zona Sur. I hadn't seen her picture at that point.
Oba Oba used to be 1 peso per minute with a ten minute minimum but I haven't been there in about three years. At that time it amounted to about $3 for ten minutes. Charly Bar is in a really bad part of town and is owned by an Argie who married a Dominican wh@re and it's full of guess what? Dominican wh@res. Balabaca I can't even begin to describe but they do have good pool tables. La Matanza used to be the slaughterhouse district but even the cows wouldn't go there so now it is full of "paco" addicts. "Paco" is the shit you use to extract free base or crack or whatever from coke so it is a solvent you are supposed to throw away when you are done making the crack. Instead they soak cheap weed in it. There was an exposé about it on TV yesterday that I watched while I was on the treadmill at the gym. Probably mostly bullshit but it was about adolescent girls blowing the dealers in exchange for this deadly shit.
I don't believe in taking other people's photos and putting them in other fora without permission. I said it was posted in the Argentina forum so take your ass there if you want to see it. Trust me, you don't.
That is SO not her picture IS it?
She looks like some sort of night creature you see in horror flicks... :shock:
Hideous looking to be truthful. My gut says no way, but I could be wrong. Any links?
ThatGuy865
06-26-09, 01:18
Here's a link to Mark Stanford's mistress. Oh yeah, now was she worth flying halfway around the world. I've seen plenty better, in any city USA A. Just goes to show you. Its not always about the looks.
http://newsbizarre.com/2009/06/maria-belen-chapur-photo-mark-stanford.html
DJ FourMoney
06-26-09, 07:48
Hideous looking to be truthful. My gut says no way, but I could be wrong. Any links?
Argentina forum...
Its like Whoaaaa
DJ FourMoney
06-26-09, 07:58
Here's a video of Maria Belen Chapur -
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/25/maria-belen-chapur-mark-s_n_220838.html
Not bad...
Here's a link to Mark Stanford's mistress. Oh yeah, now was she worth flying halfway around the world. I've seen plenty better, in any city USA A. Just goes to show you. Its not always about the looks.
http://newsbizarre.com/2009/06/maria-belen-chapur-photo-mark-stanford.html
Not a bad looking woman and highly intelligent too!! Unfortunately in the
U.S of A we have a good bunch of good looking women, who are just plain stupid and ignorant.
Chocha Monger
06-26-09, 14:41
Here's a link to Mark Stanford's mistress. Oh yeah, now was she worth flying halfway around the world. I've seen plenty better, in any city USA A. Just goes to show you. Its not always about the looks.
http://newsbizarre.com/2009/06/maria-belen-chapur-photo-mark-stanford.html
You're right, it's not always about the looks. The governor's wife must have been a real screaming psychotic hysterical b*tch to have driven him to fly down to Argentina. It shows what a lack of sex and meaningful emotional connections in a typical American marriage can lead a man to do.
By the way Argentina isn't on the other side of the world if you're flying from the southern USA.
It shows what a lack of sex and meaningful emotional connections in a typical American marriage can lead a man to do.
I have to say that the difference I noticed between dating American women and Filipinas is that the Filipinas seem to go above and beyond the call of duty to make sure you are happy. What I mean by this... emotionally fulfilled, well fed and well fucked. :confused:
P.S. Man both of those bitches are ugly
This Argentinian has a unibrow that scares me. But she's no doubt smart enough to provide intellectual stimulation, and I am sure far better in bed than his wife. Mrs. Sanford looks and sounds from what I've read to be a total domineering ballbuster and is probably an awful fuck. Poor guy. I feel for him. But still, no excuse for deserting his post. He must resign for placing SC in danger. Sure it's a KKK kind of place with Confederate flags flying everywhere and should a disaster strike and there's no governor to declare an emergency it couldn't happen to a more deserving state, but still I have SOME compassion.
This Argentinian has a unibrow that scares me. But she's no doubt smart enough to provide intellectual stimulation, and I am sure far better in bed than his wife. Mrs. Sanford looks and sounds from what I've read to be a total domineering ballbuster and is probably an awful fuck. Poor guy. I feel for him. But still, no excuse for deserting his post. He must resign for placing SC in danger. Sure it's a KKK kind of place with Confederate flags flying everywhere and should a disaster strike and there's no governor to declare an emergency it couldn't happen to a more deserving state, but still I have SOME compassion.
In some non-Western cultures the Unibrow does not have a stigma, and may even be seen as a sign of feminine beauty, as in Caucasus, where connected eyebrows are a sign of virginity and of being unmarried
I have to say that the difference I noticed between dating American women and Filipinas is that the Filipinas seem to go above and beyond the call of duty to make sure you are happy. What I mean by this... emotionally fulfilled, well fed and well fucked.
This is what I'm talking about; a true partnership, we keep each other well fed, well fucked and emotionally fulfilled. It's NOT a one way street as most AW are apt to think.
You're right, it's not always about the looks. The governor's wife must have been a real screaming psychotic hysterical b*tch to have driven him to fly down to Argentina. It shows what a lack of sex and meaningful emotional connections in a typical American marriage can lead a man to do.
....and AW wonder why American men stray.
ThatGuy865
06-27-09, 02:03
I have to say that the difference I noticed between dating American women and Filipinas is that the Filipinas seem to go above and beyond the call of duty to make sure you are happy. What I mean by this... emotionally fulfilled, well fed and well fucked. :confused:
P.S. Man both of those bitches are uglyIllogic,
I think you should qualify that statement by saying "Filipinas in the Philippines will go above and beyond the call of duty". Because I know of several ball busting filipinas in the States. That drove some of my buddies to hell and back. I will though agree in the PI. They are somewhat a more or less what you describe.
But then look at their chose: Get with a westerner who for the most part has been raised to respect women, financially stable, responsible and usually not a drunk or the average pino guy, who disrespects their women, will put a foot to their ass in a moments notice, probably doesn't earn but peanuts, doesn't know the first thing about saving for the future, and gets drunk every non working minute of the day.
Now with those being the average choices (obviously not all pinoy men are like that but a large percentage are). What would you expect but them to treat you like you're something special.
I'm not knocking it. Just explaining their reasoning. I go there myself, so I know what you mean.
Next time I'm there we'll have to throw down a couple. If we haven't already. Since you don't know who I am. We just might have met and we don't know it.
In order to get a richer context to this entire debate, I think it's noteworthy that the guy posting as Illogic used to post under Daddy Warbucks. That, to me, is somewhat significant because #1 he felt the need to change his handle, and #2 he is always going on and on about how rich and successful he is. Blah blah blah I came from the hood and all this crap. His DW character did the same thing. Look at me, I am a successful black guy and I monger but all y'all other guys who monger are losers who couldn't get pussy if you found it in a phone booth. That kinda shit. I have no reason to doubt that he is rich, or that he came from the hood, but come on.
One could say, "Well, obviously rich and successful people get more and better pussy than those who are not rich and successful." After all my travels I am not too sure about that. Also I question the very linking of "rich" with "successful." I think Ian Fleming's character James Bond put it best: "The only kind of money to have is just enough." Ill/DW talks about living in a rich, gated community. So how credible are his posts about what it is like where he lives? And how "it is the same everywhere"? Yeah it might be the same "everywhere" if you are rich and live in a gated community. Probably rich, gated communities are more homogeneous than the mean foreign streets where many of us monger.
Now, of course, I see the meaning of his previous handle of "War" bucks. A soldier of fortune who profits off the misery of others. American Women love this shit but for most of the world it's a disgrace.
In order to get a richer context to this entire debate, I think it's noteworthy that the guy posting as Illogic used to post under Daddy Warbucks. That, to me, is somewhat significant because #1 he felt the need to change his handle,
.....Stop right there I have changed my name a couple of times over the years. I used to be Boy Wonder because I was in my early 20s when I first became a member. Then I changed it to BPD81 and then I changed to Detat after reading some info about coups around the world. Then I changed it to Warbucks because it just suits me perfectly. I change when I think something sounds cool to me. Not because I am hiding.
and #2 he is always going on and on about how rich and successful he is. Blah blah blah I came from the hood and all this crap. His DW character did the same thing.
You see why I call you full of shit? I never said I am rich and I wouldn't call myself successful. I got lucky. Well sort of. I tell people I got lucky and they always say nah you got in where you fitted in do you understand the meaning of that. A rich guy doesn't have to work but I do....Yeah I can tell you are an expat only an expat could be this delusional and full of shit.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=get+in+where+you+fit+in
Look at me, I am a successful black guy and I monger but all y'all other guys who monger are losers who couldn't get pussy if you found it in a phone booth.
I have never called you guys losers. I never said you guys couldn't get pussy. It just disturbs to see a bunch of Americans bashing America and her people for no other reason because they find it hard to get ass there. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
I have also stated countless times I found it hard to "mack" women anywhere. Except Japan does that make me a loser? Nope. Even in Philippines I find it hard to mack women because when I do chase the square ones I look for signs of wealth. A lot of guys come to the Philippines and prey on weak....Squatter girls....provincial (country girls who don't know jack shit) types ( we had one guy who recommended we ride public transportation so we can catch poor girls coming home from work) but not me. The bargirls...well they are fair game.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mack
That kinda shit. I have no reason to doubt that he is rich, or that he came from the hood, but come on.
I am from hood currently the most murderous one in America. Once again I have never said I am rich only Brian Malony says that shit on this board. You wasting your time attacking me DH. You better off writing some I hate America and its people's reports.
One could say, "Well, obviously rich and successful people get more and better pussy than those who are not rich and successful." After all my travels I am not too sure about that. Also I question the very linking of "rich" with "successful." I think Ian Fleming's character James Bond put it best: "The only kind of money to have is just enough." Ill/DW talks about living in a rich, gated community. So how credible are his posts about what it is like where he lives? And how "it is the same everywhere"?
Yeah it might be the same "everywhere" if you are rich and live in a gated community. Probably rich, gated communities are more homogeneous than the mean foreign streets where many of us monger.
Are you fucking serious? A guy who comes from nothing and becomes rich is not sucessful? Man in this world you status is about whats in that bank account. I learned this early watching the drug dealers where I grew up.
I do live in a in gated community in PI which is not saying much. $150,000 could get you into one in PI also. About the price of low class house in the US. Guys go on and on about how much Filipinas love us and I prove them wrong... poor Filipinas love foreigners. Thats why I say its the same everywhere. I sleep in a gated community but do I mingle with those people? Nope. I am always in the dodgy neighbhorhoods or bar areas. That is where you find *****s right?
Now, of course, I see the meaning of his previous handle of "War" bucks. A soldier of fortune who profits off the misery of others. American Women love this shit but for most of the world it's a disgrace.
Dude I was broke as hell making about $9.00 an hour before I landed this job. Now you telling me I should have turned it down because my salary is being paid by tax-payers because there is a war going on?
While you were trolling "Privados" looking for your next fuck late May I sat next to a young soldier from Belgium on a C-130 (Military transport plane) who had recently lost his arm to this war so don't try to tell me about the human cost.
Man like I said do us all favor and go back your anti-America bashing because you attacking me is like trying to destroy a tank with fucking sewing needle.
Let me see... Ill/DW detractors for the month...X-man, Mattrick and now Dickhead...all you guys do have something in common...I will leave it to y'all to figure it out.
Man I am sure you guys can find something better to do than attack this young Black fly cat...?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fly
Illogic,
I think you should qualify that statement by saying "Filipinas in the Philippines will go above and beyond the call of duty". Because I know of several ball busting filipinas in the States. That drove some of my buddies to hell and back. I will though agree in the PI. They are somewhat a more or less what you describe.
But then look at their chose: Get with a westerner who for the most part has been raised to respect women, financially stable, responsible and usually not a drunk or the average pino guy, who disrespects their women, will put a foot to their ass in a moments notice, probably doesn't earn but peanuts, doesn't know the first thing about saving for the future, and gets drunk every non working minute of the day.
Now with those being the average choices (obviously not all pinoy men are like that but a large percentage are). What would you expect but them to treat you like you're something special.
I'm not knocking it. Just explaining their reasoning. I go there myself, so I know what you mean.
Next time I'm there we'll have to throw down a couple. If we haven't already. Since you don't know who I am. We just might have met and we don't know it.
Thatguy once again you have came through with a great post. Thanks for the correction. You are absolutely right. I am just going off my personal experiences.
Chocha Monger
06-29-09, 02:28
Mail order bride tells her story.
http://lifestyle.msn.com/your-life/just-dreaming/articleglamour.aspx?cp-documentid=20522341
...the average pino guy, who disrespects their women, will put a foot to their ass in a moments notice, probably doesn't earn but peanuts, doesn't know the first thing about saving for the future, and gets drunk every non working minute of the day.
This from someone who ripped into me and others for daring to make unflattering generalizations about AW.
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