American Women

[Dickhead]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33907426/ns/today-today_people/?GT1=43001

[DJ FourMoney]

Here is a site that every male on this thread needs to be acquainted with.

This guy gets it LOL!

http://www.nomarriage.com/

I agree with most of that page, however there is the other side of that coin. I am not defending AW, what I am saying is that I believe some men shouldn't be allowed to pick who they marry and some women shouldn't be allowed to pick who they marry, its simple.

There are matches for everyone, the object, the key, whatever is to FIND that person.

While there are maybe 80% of marriages with those problems outlined here, there and everywhere, there is still 20% without those problems. What you have to do is increase your odds.

If your intention is marriage, treat it like the biggest business/personal transaction of your life BECAUSE IT IS!

You pay attention to every word spoken, every move made, every action, everything.

See what these men never got was a women that thought of YOU way before she thought of herself. Don't you understand how love works? Your mother loves you, would cut her arm off if it meant you could have an arm

That is NO DIFFERENT. Go on Huffington Post, there's a woman that gave up her sight so her daughter could see. That is love, that is the woman you marry. Anything less than that and you'll end up with pain.

Now if you need less than that, then just marry anybody, if she's not a selfish ***** she'll sign a ironclad pre-nup without hesitation.

If she won't sign it, A) she's a ***** B) she's worthless

I don't understand how people accept LESS just not be alone. That's ridiculous!

I can be alone, I don't mind it. It doesn't bother me really. I have friends, when I choose to be around them, I am. What P4P is, what this site is founded on (partly) is that you are just satisfying a sexual desire that can't be quelled with Porn or Masturbation. That is a human connection all of us need. Now what's HARD to attain is a connection that doesn't require a monetary transaction.

When a connection is made, urges can break it. You are a human being, you can function just fine without drugs, drinking or anything else. When you break down humanity or the things we share with other mammals is an emotional connection with another mammal, strong enough to produce offspring.

If you can't break your urge to have sex with strange women, you are not meant to be in a monogamous relationship, simple as that.

I have no desire to be with multiple women, I want ONE woman. So my job is to see that mission through. However that does not mean I should go around being without human contact sexually, like what American Culture expects you to do, that's the Puritanical foundation of this once proud (well not really) nation.

[Chocha Monger]

A lot of the problems with marriage have to do with two major factors. The first factor is that marriage was created to secure transfers of property and alliances between families. The second factor is the fact that women still see marriage as a means of having property transferred to them but lead men to believe that they want marriage for romantic reasons. Men still see marriage as a means of obtaining sex, female companionship, love and someone to care for them and their offspring. Most men haven’t gotten out of thinking of marriage in a traditional framework. There have been changes made to the institution of marriage like no fault divorce, property division, child custody and judgment in the female’s favor by default. Men haven’t quite adapted to these changes on a large scale. So when a woman feeds a bunch of bullshit to a man about being in love and wanting him to make a dishonest woman of her, he falls for it. He’s thinking love and sex while she’s thinking big pay day and how she can finally stop dieting.

If a man would stop thinking with his dipstick for a moment he would see that a marriage contract holds nothing for him but financial loss and emotional distress. If he has nothing to lose then marriage is great for him. The problem for him though is that women don’t want men with nothing to lose. They want a many with a lot to lose, the more the better. I know that some of you are out there thinking that you’ll just be a good boy and things will work out just fine, right? Well, you’ll discover that married women are jealous, controlling, emotionally volatile creatures. They’ll make your life less enjoyable each opportunity they get. We all have to make compromises but who wants to compromise the most intimate details of their life for decades? When you combine that with the American man’s waiving of his rights you’ve got a real recipe for disaster. Forget about importing a foreign wife. These women are only timid in their home countries because the men there have about ten lefts for every right that a woman has. When you visit there to monger you’re just piggybacking off of this system that the local men have in place. Once she gets to America and realizes that she has more rights and that you have neither rights nor lefts your ass will be in deep trouble.

[DJ FourMoney]

A lot of the problems with marriage have to do with two major factors. The first factor is that marriage was created to secure transfers of property and alliances between families. The second factor is the fact that women still see marriage as a means of having property transferred to them but lead men to believe that they want marriage for romantic reasons. Men still see marriage as a means of obtaining sex, female companionship, love and someone to care for them and their offspring. Most men haven’t gotten out of thinking of marriage in a traditional framework. There have been changes made to the institution of marriage like no fault divorce, property division, child custody and judgment in the female’s favor by default. Men haven’t quite adapted to these changes on a large scale. So when a woman feeds a bunch of bullshit to a man about being in love and wanting him to make a dishonest woman of her, he falls for it. He’s thinking love and sex while she’s thinking big pay day and how she can finally stop dieting.

If a man would stop thinking with his dipstick for a moment he would see that a marriage contract holds nothing for him but financial loss and emotional distress. If he has nothing to lose then marriage is great for him. The problem for him though is that women don’t want men with nothing to lose. They want a many with a lot to lose, the more the better. I know that some of you are out there thinking that you’ll just be a good boy and things will work out just fine, right? Well, you’ll discover that married women are jealous, controlling, emotionally volatile creatures. They’ll make your life less enjoyable each opportunity they get. We all have to make compromises but who wants to compromise the most intimate details of their life for decades? When you combine that with the American man’s waiving of his rights you’ve got a real recipe for disaster. Forget about importing a foreign wife. These women are only timid in their home countries because the men there have about ten lefts for every right that a woman has. When you visit there to monger you’re just piggybacking off of this system that the local men have in place. Once she gets to America and realizes that she has more rights and that you have neither rights nor lefts your ass will be in deep trouble.

I agree, I agree, I agree -

Marriage in its current form of not an equal division of rights and property.

Yes most American women want a man with "Something". I am not totally sure its because they "want what's coming to them". I think it has more to do with "He'll be able to buy me shit while were dating and buy a big house when were married"

For most AW this would be true and yes I will agree there needs to be a taking back of rights that we have given up in marriage and true advocates of equal rights and civil rights; on both sides would agree, not the knee-jerk reactionary crowd that dominates America.

With all that said, I'll say it again. If you choose to go overseas, then you need to find an intelligent woman. These are women that find typical American Men and American Culture in a word - CRAZY!

You can find these women in America. However they tend not to be the most attractive, as most 9's and 10's feel they have an advantage based on looks alone. Those women can be avoided its easy, they avoid you most of the time anyway, unless your (insert male form popular culture here).

CM - You might not be interested and IF you are, I understand for where you stand. I think there is room for compromise, reasonable compromise...

Maybe not a "10" but an "7" or "8"

Maybe not 18-19 years old, but 27, 28, maybe even 30 years old

I think you can demand she be in shape or at least thin. I don't have a problem with that. Foreign women tend not to have the same relationship with food we do here in the States, I think the only exception might be British and Canadians.

I have only met women that despise "American Culture" (the TV version) and want men that aren't Metrosexual. We have talked about this before. Europe is dominated by Metrosexual men that don't have the traditional value that MANY women overseas want, which is a guy that can fix things, put a woman in her place, BE A MAN! We have said this before about Eastern European Women, they want Men to be Men.

The same can be said for most Western European, Asian and South American women.

Again, what I am saying is I don't disagree it just makes the selection process much, much harder. But I don't think its TOO hard, or impossible nor not worth the effort. Because when you hit on the right combination, you become one of that 10-20% of men in America with a successful marriage and its for all the right reasons.

Whoops -

I'd also add that I would be happy with a civil arrangement, you don't even have to call it "marriage". I just would like to find somebody that is my true love, like one would love their children. That's in unconditional love and CM there are those women out there, rare but their out there.

Key is they don't have "Laundry List" of desires.

[DJ FourMoney]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33907426/ns/today-today_people/?GT1=43001

She couldn't just ask for implants huh?

In the court of public opinion she'll basically get off scott-free and call her "creative". Karma and Irony are strange bedfellows...

[DJ FourMoney]

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200301/flanagan

The 1# reason why men go to other countries is because AW have not evolved and developed into the hybrids that American Culture requires. In Foreign Women we are seeking a return to traditional values held many (keeping a neat, orderly home, raising children, etc) and maybe (hybridization) doing a part-time job, work from home, etc.

Unfortunately, many men assume this is some sort of "free ride" masquerading as "desiring traditional rolls".

For some that may be true, its your job to flush out the fakers. Which again I don't understand the issue of Foreign women being fluent in English. Does this mean they have had contact with American/Canadian/British/Australian men?

More than likely but that can't be seen as an automatic negative (we're not talking about hookers here) and how many men have dragged women across 3-4 time zones to not be what they said they were? In the Marrying Foreign Women thread, I posted some figures from 2003 and a high percentage of K1's return to their original countries.

It can't be that all Foreign Women return home because they were found out to be some sort of fraud? I personally think if a woman that gone through the consideration and trouble (especially in countries where the US limits their rights to enter) of looking for a Western Man then her intentions are true. What you have do is use a filter. Not every corn kernel is used, not every germ of wheat is used, not even apple is sent to market, you can assume that even a good looking apple has a worm in it...

When there tons of stories, books and news articles about "The Lack of Sex in American Marriages" its already crisis mode. How many 20, even 30something AW do you know that can't even cook? I've stop counting, its pointless. Even many Single Mothers can't cook, subjecting Children to a steady diet of Microwave Dinners and McDonald's, appalling!

As I said before, if your intention (as it is mine) is to find ONE woman, consider it an adventure and enjoy P4P in the meantime, then its on you to do the proper job. If men like to break things down to their simplest forms and solve the problem, then you should look at marriage the same way.

Lastly I'll use my own mother has an example. She has been working since she finished college (1960 with Masters from Georgetown). First as a Nurse and later in Financial Services. She raised two children largely on her own and wasn't struggling at all. When I asked her recently if she still had sex (in a non-direct fashion) with my stepfather, she said no. I asked if she missed it, she said, she used too. I ask what happen and she said that my stepfather who has had back problems since the mid 70's, even disk replacement surgery become uninterested (because of pain) and sex just stopped.

I used to "catch" them when I was younger.

So that right there BLOWS apart the myth that sex stops just because the woman doesn't want to have sex. So I do blame MEN more than Women, your the one that brought into this weird culture that says; you should marry the more demure looking brunette woman than the racy looking blond. Men constantly fool themselves into thinking this will make a more stable relationship.

That's complete bullshit. The problem is you found a woman that just doesn't want to have sex with you period and found a perfect excuse not too - Children

I've seen this pattern time and time again. All three of my co-workers suffer from this. Is this a cause not to have children because your sex life will suffer???

No, complaints are valid I agree and I fully understand. But you "settled" and look what happen. I still think some of these "character flaws" can be detected if your paying attention...

[Dickhead]

Lots of Argentinean women don't know how to cook either because of the high prevalence of servants even in working-class homes. However there are no sexless marriages here. There may be marriages where the husband and wife aren't fucking each other but everybody is fucking somebody.

Paraguayan women, though, all know how to cook and love to feed their men. In return they appreciate it if you fuck them quite frequently. This is a win-win situation as far as I can tell. It has also been my experience that women who know how to cook are better in bed then women who do not. My guess is this is true for men as well.

[Goga Fung]

I'm not sure if this belongs to the AW subject, but I think it is related. Since the guy had sex with a horse instead of a woman. The Sex Prison makes some people do these kinda things.

I wonder why he got 3 years, the horse was quiet an adult 21 y.o.:) and seemed to be ok with that.

Although the news also says the horse got an STD from the guy. So the horse's female owner got pissed off.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091105/ap_on_re_us/us_horse_molester

CONWAY, S.C. – A South Carolina man caught on video having sex with a horse was sentenced Wednesday to three years in prison after pleading guilty for the second time in two years to abusing the creature.

Rodell Vereen was also ordered never to go near the stable where the horse's owner caught him and held him for authorities at shotgun point over the summer. He apologized to the woman and to himself after admitting to buggery at the Horry County courthouse.

"I'm sorry about what I've done. I didn't mean to do it. It's my fault. I'm sorry for what I've done to myself," Vereen said during Wednesday's court hearing.

Vereen was arrested in July after Barbara Kenley caught him entering the barn at Lazy B Stables in Longs, about 20 miles northeast of Myrtle Beach. She had been staking out the stable for more than a week after setting up a surveillance camera and videotaping Vereen's assault on her 21-year-old horse named Sugar.

Kenley said she became suspicious because her horse was acting strange and getting infections, and she noticed things were moved around the barn and dirt was piled up near the horse's stall.

It wasn't the first time she'd caught Vereen. In late 2007, Kenley found him asleep in the hay after assaulting her horse. For that offense, he also pleaded guilty to buggery, received probation and had to register as a sex offender.

On Wednesday, the judge sentenced Vereen to five years in prison, but he will only have to serve three years behind bars as long as he successfully completes two years of probation. Vereen also was ordered to undergo additional mental treatment after he gets out of prison and was told to stay away from Kenley's stable.

Kenley told The Sun News of Myrtle Beach she was mostly happy with the verdict, but wished Vereen had got more prison time.

"I've been through hell for the last year and it's caused a lot of hardship," Kenley told the newspaper. "There's a lot of ridicule and jokes going around about this thing. And a person can only take so much.

[Chocha Monger]

Good news for you mongers married to the 25% of AW with no sex drive. :D
http://health.msn.com/medications/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100249638&GT1=31053

[Artisttyp]

http://m.www.yahoo.com/_ylt=Aix.OfNDPQQqU0Q_rZayZs.bvZx4/SIG=15clvs6rv/**http%3A//us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/local/New_York/WCBS-TV_New_York/fp/SIG=12cj4mfp1/**http%253A%252F%252Fwcbstv.com%252Flocal%252Fsubway.sexual.harassment.2.1323134.html


I thought this was a cute story. With bloomberg in for another 4 years this might be the only way to get a finger full. If you can't touch you have to come up with new ways to get off.

[Voyajer1]

What is the poor sap stuck with a barely breathing, starfish moving, AW's going to do? Sneak the drug to them unannounced? There is no drug that can possibly clear the clutter in an AW's brain to allow them to relax and enjoy sex. The best aphrodisiac for these parasites is for you to give them something they really want really badly (Jewelry, car, pay their rent, become their sugardaddy???). Otherwise, you could give them an intravenous infusion of this new drug and it won't make a difference. Period. You can count active AW's who actually love sex in the thousands (4 to the low 5 figures). Among a nation with 75 million adult women that's pretty freaking low. I bet you it WON'T sell crap here in Sex Prison USA. Elsewhere it will be a huge seller :D

Good news for you mongers married to the 25% of AW with no sex drive. :D
http://health.msn.com/medications/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100249638&GT1=31053

[Jon32]

What is the poor sap stuck with a barely breathing, starfish moving, AW's going to do? Sneak the drug to them unannounced? There is no drug that can possibly clear the clutter in an AW's brain to allow them to relax and enjoy sex. The best aphrodisiac for these parasites is for you to give them something they really want really badly (Jewelry, car, pay their rent, become their sugardaddy???). Otherwise, you could give them an intravenous infusion of this new drug and it won't make a difference. Period. You can count active AW's who actually love sex in the thousands (4 to the low 5 figures). Among a nation with 75 million adult women that's pretty freaking low. I bet you it WON'T sell crap here in Sex Prison USA. Elsewhere it will be a huge seller :D

haha, good post.

[Polar1234]

Hello!

I have been travelling a lot around the world and met both pros and no pro girl in East Europe, Latin America and Africa.

Recently I have developed a relationship with a very beautiful model in Kenya, a girl I never even dared dreaming off before I met her. To my suprise, she told me that several of her model friends are very interested in meeting white guys and that they envied her for meeting me.

I am in my mid 30ies, not very slim, but have a good business.

Does any of you have similar experiences, or have I just been very lucky???

[Chocha Monger]

I wonder why he got 3 years, the horse was quiet an adult 21 y.o. and seemed to be ok with that.
Did his lawyer make the legal argument that the horse gave consent?

[Goga Fung]

Did his lawyer make the legal argument that the horse gave consent?I don't know if the guy had a lawyer. Probably he did not. If I were him, I would argue that the horse would kick him in his nads badly if she disliked it. But apparently she did like it since it was not a single "date".

In general I think it is extremely difficult to have sex with someone in most cases unless there is a consent.

[Dickhead]

The judge asked the horse if consent was given and the horse said "neigh." Apparently the guy was pretty lazy. He was just sitting on a stool with his pecker out saying "Giddyup! Whoa! Back" Giddyup! Whoa! Back!"

Some of you may know that horses have really, really big vaginas so maybe he was looking for an easy target.

[Capt Ajax]

Hehe you must be one of those guys with $$$$$ signs plastered all over your forehead. I would switch my gold digger sensors on full ALERT.

Hello!

I have been travelling a lot around the world and met both pros and no pro girl in East Europe, Latin America and Africa.

Recently I have developed a relationship with a very beautiful model in Kenya, a girl I never even dared dreaming off before I met her. To my suprise, she told me that several of her model friends are very interested in meeting white guys and that they envied her for meeting me.

I am in my mid 30ies, not very slim, but have a good business.

Does any of you have similar experiences, or have I just been very lucky???

[Chocha Monger]

Hello!

I have been travelling a lot around the world and met both pros and no pro girl in East Europe, Latin America and Africa.

Recently I have developed a relationship with a very beautiful model in Kenya, a girl I never even dared dreaming off before I met her. To my suprise, she told me that several of her model friends are very interested in meeting white guys and that they envied her for meeting me.

I am in my mid 30ies, not very slim, but have a good business.

Does any of you have similar experiences, or have I just been very lucky???
Polar:

Your experience is not unusual but it probably has more to do with your passport and wallet that your appearance. As long as your remember that you'll be fine.

[Yogin]

Polar: I agree with CM & CA. Here's an idea: if things get serious, tell her you want to live very simply in Kenya, that you aren't interested in living in the US. You want to devote your life to helping Kenyan widows and orphans. If it's true love you'll know. Otherwise, the stars in her eyes will quickly appear as what they really are, which are simply dollar signs.

[Warbucks]

http://www.stickmanweekly.com/ReadersSubmissions2009/reader5546.htm

By Old, Fat, and Bald


I will start by stating that this submission has only peripheral connections to Thailand. However, it harkens back to “Who is a *****” by Korski, to Brokenman’s situation, and to several recent submissions on Stickman’s weekly column. The common thread is the question of why women do what they do; or more precisely, how they are capable of some of the things they do after all we have done for them? I will admit to a life long, and fruitless, search for the answers to these seemingly eternal mysteries. Fruitless that is, until now.

In my research of all things on the net (i.e. mindless surfing) I came upon a truly remarkable statement that explains much, if not all, female behavior. I found it by tracing back a reference made in a very interesting newspaper article, “Brides of the State”, first published in the "Inside Cork" newspaper, Thursday 8 July 2004. Note that we are talking behavior, which is observable fact, and not thinking or desires. Freud said that no one knows what women want. That opinion remains true, as far as I can tell. Like all truly great discoveries, such as E=MC2 or F=MA, what I found that explains the unified field theory of women’s behavior is elegantly simple. What I found was Briffault’s Law.

(Skip the following paragraph if you are not interested in the man behind the law.)

From Wikipidia: Robert Briffault was a novelist, historian, social anthropologist, and surgeon. He was born in Nice, France of a French father and a Scottish mother. After the death of his father, Briffault and his Scottish-born mother immigrated to New Zealand. In May 1896 he married Anna Clarke; the couple had three children, Lister, Muriel, and Joan, born from 1897 to 1901. Briffault received his MB, ChB from the University of Dunedin in New Zealand in 1905 and commenced medical practice. After service on the Western Front during World War I, he settled in England, his wife having died. In the late 1920s he married again, to Herma Hoyt (1898-1981), an American writer and translator. <Note: The new wife was one year younger than his oldest child. A man after my own heart.> He can be seen as French, Scottish, New Zealander (Kiwi), English (Pom), or, by marriage, American (Yank). The point of this is to state the credentials of the author and to show that this law has been there for many years; we just needed to find it.


BRIFFAULT’S LAW:

The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place.

There are a few corollaries I would add:

Past benefit provided by the male does not provide for continued or future association.

Any agreement where the male provides a current benefit in return for a promise of future association is null and void as soon as the male has provided the benefit (see corollary 1)

A promise of future benefit has limited influence on current/future association, with the influence inversely proportionate to the length of time until the benefit will be given and directly proportionate to the degree to which the female trusts the male (which is not bloody likely).

Let us start by saying much of the discussion on the Stickman site seems to start from the belief that Thai women are somehow different from all other women, both in the good and the bad. And that their actions derive from the cultural milieu in which they were reared; and therefore no western man can really understand their thinking without intensive cross cultural study. I posit that this is BS. No man can ever understand what is going on inside the head of any woman, of any culture, including their own, no matter how much they study. We should not kid ourselves. The best we can hope to do is observe their behaviors and roll with the punches. This is where Briffault’s Law is vital. All women associate with any man only so long as they derive a benefit from the association. This can not be stated too many times.

A bit of recent data that supports this proposition comes from a recent study done in the UK. The findings were that for a period from the early 1990’s to the early 2000’s, 90% of UK women practiced hypergamy. Hypergamy is a 15 cent (about 7 pence in GBPs) word for marrying up. The hypothesis in the study was; do women exhibit hypergamy, or not. You start with assuming not, and then disprove that. If they do not, then roughly 50% would marry up and 50% would marry down. During the period of the study 90% of UK women married men that made more money than they did, or had greater wealth. The 90% marrying up rate provides ample evidence that the women exhibit hypergamy behavior. These were not poor daughters of Isaan rice farmers. This was not a developing country. This behavior could be observed anywhere in the world and at any time in history.

Before discovering Briffault’s Law, I came to a similar independent, although not so well or concisely stated, conclusion. A few years ago, while arguing with my six sisters about my intentions to marry a Filipina half my age (marriage number 4 so I am a slow learner), they argued that she was just marrying me to get a better life. After a few seconds of reflection I retorted that this was true for every woman in the world marrying any man. This left them with no response. After all, who among us ever marries to have a worse life? We all hope that it will be an improvement. With women it is doubly so, since they have no intention of actually working to improve their lives.

So, let’s get to Korski’s question, “Who is a *****”, and my initial response, “They all are”. By Briffault’s Law if a woman is associating with you (assuming you are a man) then she is doing it because she sees some benefit, either current, or in the future, from that association. How is this different from the bargirl on Soi Cowboy? I think only in the duration of the intended association, the amount of benefit expected, and in the woman’s acceptance of delay in getting that benefit. Guys, let’s get real about this. It is past time to take off the rose colored glasses.

How does this help? If you know going in that she is there to derive a benefit, then make sure you are willing and able to provide that benefit, that you are willing and able to continue to provide that benefit, and that the cost to you of providing that benefit is worth the benefit you derive from the association. Be fully aware that when the benefit to her stops, the relationship will stop. Have no illusions. This is true in the UK, France, America, Thailand, and everywhere else. So, if you spend every dime in your retirement fund to build her and/or her mother a house (in her name of course), do not expect that the association will continue. You must say no early and often so you preserve your ability to provide a continuing benefit. If you drain all your resources, then you get what you should expect (see corollary 1).

Keep control of your money, only you will be responsible with it, because you had to earn it. After my first divorce I commiserated with a female secretary that was at least two decades older than me, and who was herself divorced. When I told her that I had let my wife run the family finances (common in 80% of married couples in the USA), and that she had run us deep into debt, she told me, “Any man that turns over his paycheck to a woman is a fool.” I would add that giving any woman every penny you have in the world is just asking her to kick you to the curb and walk away from you.

Deriving mutual benefits from a relationship is not a bad thing. Where Brokenman and the rest of us men lose the plot is when we expect past benefit provided to the woman to continue generating current or future association (see corollary 1). Loyalty, honor, gratitude, and duty are male values that we men project on women, but which very few, to no, women actually possess. We aren’t born with these values; they are drummed into us from the cradle on by society/culture, our families, and most definitely by the women in our lives (sorry, but that includes you too, Mom). Women get different indoctrination, so they have different values; mostly, for a woman, whatever is good for her and her (biological) children is what is best, full stop. So, do not expect that the woman in your life will be grateful, and sacrifice for you, when you can no longer provide for her and hers. And make no mistake, you have never been, and never will be, part of what is hers. What are hers will be first herself, then her (biological) children, then her parents, then her siblings, and then the rest of her blood relatives. The biological imperative has always been to extend her blood line. It stops there, and it always will. This is true everywhere in the world. Get over it.

Men love women, but I truly believe that women are incapable of what we men call love. “Greater love hath no man than that he lay down his life for his friends.” How many women are willing to die for their husbands, friends, country, or comrades in arms? Damn few, if any. Yet it is commonly expected of men (made compulsory under certain circumstances). How many men continue on in their marriages, supporting their family and their wife, while the wife is making their life a living hell? Far too many. How many men choose their wives over their parents and siblings? Most. Women do not behave like this. Men take out large insurance policies so their wives and children will be well taken care of should they die. Even if the wife is making (nearly) as much money as the husband, she will not have insurance. She sees no reason to reduce her current ability to spend to take care of others after she is dead. She could care less what happens to the husband, and doesn’t want the husband to be able to spend money on some young bimbo, after she dies. The life insurance gender statistics are well known, and widely available. None of this should be a shocking revelation. When my second wife died, her mandatory insurance (free) provided by her teacher’s union covered her funeral expenses. It would have made life much easier if her insurance had paid the over $350,000 my life insurance would have paid.

When does the expectation of mutual benefit in marriage go seriously wrong in the west? It goes wrong as soon as the “I Dos” are said, or very shortly thereafter. Why is this so? Because you, the man have just entered into a contract with the state where you have promised that you will provide everything to your bride, and where the bride has promised nothing. By the way, the full weight of the law and public opinion will support her stripping you of every thing you have, including your children, and most of what you will ever make in the future, when (not if) she decides to dump you. Hence, once you enter into the contract you have nothing left to offer her. Everything you have, or will have, is already hers. Seem like a harsh statement? I thought so too, the first time I heard it, during an argument with my first wife towards the end of our marriage. She asked me the eternal female question, “What do you do for me?” (i.e. what benefit do I get from associating with you?) I responded, “I pay all your expenses. I feed, clothe, and house you. And, I am paying for your college tuition.” She told me that all the money I earned was her money and that if she let me have any of it that was pure charity on her part, so I was doing nothing for her. I thought this was unduly harsh. The divorce courts showed me that it was pretty much just a statement of fact. The wife has it all, and can make her part of the marriage contract, the portion where she is to provide you with companionship, comfort, loyalty, sex, etc., null and void at any time while keeping everything you have/had/will ever have. She has no need to associate with you further once you are married (see corollary 2). (What is the difference between regular Barbie doll and divorced Barbie doll? Divorced Barbie comes with her stuff and all of Ken’s stuff too.) This seems a totally destructive state of affairs. Recently many in the western nations have been up in arms over a law passed in, I believe, Saudi Arabia that said if a married woman refuses her husband sex, then he can refuse to feed her. All are screaming it is Islamic misogyny. Seems to me, it is an equal degree of enforcement for both sides of a contract.

Presenting Briffault’s Law is a duty I felt I owed to the readership, as a public service. We all need to take off the blinders. You will get from women exactly what you should expect; if you keep Briffault’s Law (and my corollaries) in mind. Knowing this earlier in life would have saved me a lot of pain. I hope it helps some of you out there keep a hand on the reins. All of us, men and women, will be happier if men take charge of their relationships and their finances.

[DJ FourMoney]

http://www.stickmanweekly.com/ReadersSubmissions2009/reader5546.htm

By Old, Fat, and Bald


I will start by stating that this submission has only peripheral connections to Thailand. However, it harkens back to “Who is a *****” by Korski, to Brokenman’s situation, and to several recent submissions on Stickman’s weekly column. The common thread is the question of why women do what they do; or more precisely, how they are capable of some of the things they do after all we have done for them? I will admit to a life long, and fruitless, search for the answers to these seemingly eternal mysteries. Fruitless that is, until now.

In my research of all things on the net (i.e. mindless surfing) I came upon a truly remarkable statement that explains much, if not all, female behavior. I found it by tracing back a reference made in a very interesting newspaper article, “Brides of the State”, first published in the "Inside Cork" newspaper, Thursday 8 July 2004. Note that we are talking behavior, which is observable fact, and not thinking or desires. Freud said that no one knows what women want. That opinion remains true, as far as I can tell. Like all truly great discoveries, such as E=MC2 or F=MA, what I found that explains the unified field theory of women’s behavior is elegantly simple. What I found was Briffault’s Law.

(Skip the following paragraph if you are not interested in the man behind the law.)

From Wikipidia: Robert Briffault was a novelist, historian, social anthropologist, and surgeon. He was born in Nice, France of a French father and a Scottish mother. After the death of his father, Briffault and his Scottish-born mother immigrated to New Zealand. In May 1896 he married Anna Clarke; the couple had three children, Lister, Muriel, and Joan, born from 1897 to 1901. Briffault received his MB, ChB from the University of Dunedin in New Zealand in 1905 and commenced medical practice. After service on the Western Front during World War I, he settled in England, his wife having died. In the late 1920s he married again, to Herma Hoyt (1898-1981), an American writer and translator. <Note: The new wife was one year younger than his oldest child. A man after my own heart.> He can be seen as French, Scottish, New Zealander (Kiwi), English (Pom), or, by marriage, American (Yank). The point of this is to state the credentials of the author and to show that this law has been there for many years; we just needed to find it.


BRIFFAULT’S LAW:

The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place.

There are a few corollaries I would add:

Past benefit provided by the male does not provide for continued or future association.

Any agreement where the male provides a current benefit in return for a promise of future association is null and void as soon as the male has provided the benefit (see corollary 1)

A promise of future benefit has limited influence on current/future association, with the influence inversely proportionate to the length of time until the benefit will be given and directly proportionate to the degree to which the female trusts the male (which is not bloody likely).

Let us start by saying much of the discussion on the Stickman site seems to start from the belief that Thai women are somehow different from all other women, both in the good and the bad. And that their actions derive from the cultural milieu in which they were reared; and therefore no western man can really understand their thinking without intensive cross cultural study. I posit that this is BS. No man can ever understand what is going on inside the head of any woman, of any culture, including their own, no matter how much they study. We should not kid ourselves. The best we can hope to do is observe their behaviors and roll with the punches. This is where Briffault’s Law is vital. All women associate with any man only so long as they derive a benefit from the association. This can not be stated too many times.

A bit of recent data that supports this proposition comes from a recent study done in the UK. The findings were that for a period from the early 1990’s to the early 2000’s, 90% of UK women practiced hypergamy. Hypergamy is a 15 cent (about 7 pence in GBPs) word for marrying up. The hypothesis in the study was; do women exhibit hypergamy, or not. You start with assuming not, and then disprove that. If they do not, then roughly 50% would marry up and 50% would marry down. During the period of the study 90% of UK women married men that made more money than they did, or had greater wealth. The 90% marrying up rate provides ample evidence that the women exhibit hypergamy behavior. These were not poor daughters of Isaan rice farmers. This was not a developing country. This behavior could be observed anywhere in the world and at any time in history.

Before discovering Briffault’s Law, I came to a similar independent, although not so well or concisely stated, conclusion. A few years ago, while arguing with my six sisters about my intentions to marry a Filipina half my age (marriage number 4 so I am a slow learner), they argued that she was just marrying me to get a better life. After a few seconds of reflection I retorted that this was true for every woman in the world marrying any man. This left them with no response. After all, who among us ever marries to have a worse life? We all hope that it will be an improvement. With women it is doubly so, since they have no intention of actually working to improve their lives.

So, let’s get to Korski’s question, “Who is a *****”, and my initial response, “They all are”. By Briffault’s Law if a woman is associating with you (assuming you are a man) then she is doing it because she sees some benefit, either current, or in the future, from that association. How is this different from the bargirl on Soi Cowboy? I think only in the duration of the intended association, the amount of benefit expected, and in the woman’s acceptance of delay in getting that benefit. Guys, let’s get real about this. It is past time to take off the rose colored glasses.

How does this help? If you know going in that she is there to derive a benefit, then make sure you are willing and able to provide that benefit, that you are willing and able to continue to provide that benefit, and that the cost to you of providing that benefit is worth the benefit you derive from the association. Be fully aware that when the benefit to her stops, the relationship will stop. Have no illusions. This is true in the UK, France, America, Thailand, and everywhere else. So, if you spend every dime in your retirement fund to build her and/or her mother a house (in her name of course), do not expect that the association will continue. You must say no early and often so you preserve your ability to provide a continuing benefit. If you drain all your resources, then you get what you should expect (see corollary 1).

Keep control of your money, only you will be responsible with it, because you had to earn it. After my first divorce I commiserated with a female secretary that was at least two decades older than me, and who was herself divorced. When I told her that I had let my wife run the family finances (common in 80% of married couples in the USA), and that she had run us deep into debt, she told me, “Any man that turns over his paycheck to a woman is a fool.” I would add that giving any woman every penny you have in the world is just asking her to kick you to the curb and walk away from you.

Deriving mutual benefits from a relationship is not a bad thing. Where Brokenman and the rest of us men lose the plot is when we expect past benefit provided to the woman to continue generating current or future association (see corollary 1). Loyalty, honor, gratitude, and duty are male values that we men project on women, but which very few, to no, women actually possess. We aren’t born with these values; they are drummed into us from the cradle on by society/culture, our families, and most definitely by the women in our lives (sorry, but that includes you too, Mom). Women get different indoctrination, so they have different values; mostly, for a woman, whatever is good for her and her (biological) children is what is best, full stop. So, do not expect that the woman in your life will be grateful, and sacrifice for you, when you can no longer provide for her and hers. And make no mistake, you have never been, and never will be, part of what is hers. What are hers will be first herself, then her (biological) children, then her parents, then her siblings, and then the rest of her blood relatives. The biological imperative has always been to extend her blood line. It stops there, and it always will. This is true everywhere in the world. Get over it.

Men love women, but I truly believe that women are incapable of what we men call love. “Greater love hath no man than that he lay down his life for his friends.” How many women are willing to die for their husbands, friends, country, or comrades in arms? Damn few, if any. Yet it is commonly expected of men (made compulsory under certain circumstances). How many men continue on in their marriages, supporting their family and their wife, while the wife is making their life a living hell? Far too many. How many men choose their wives over their parents and siblings? Most. Women do not behave like this. Men take out large insurance policies so their wives and children will be well taken care of should they die. Even if the wife is making (nearly) as much money as the husband, she will not have insurance. She sees no reason to reduce her current ability to spend to take care of others after she is dead. She could care less what happens to the husband, and doesn’t want the husband to be able to spend money on some young bimbo, after she dies. The life insurance gender statistics are well known, and widely available. None of this should be a shocking revelation. When my second wife died, her mandatory insurance (free) provided by her teacher’s union covered her funeral expenses. It would have made life much easier if her insurance had paid the over $350,000 my life insurance would have paid.

When does the expectation of mutual benefit in marriage go seriously wrong in the west? It goes wrong as soon as the “I Dos” are said, or very shortly thereafter. Why is this so? Because you, the man have just entered into a contract with the state where you have promised that you will provide everything to your bride, and where the bride has promised nothing. By the way, the full weight of the law and public opinion will support her stripping you of every thing you have, including your children, and most of what you will ever make in the future, when (not if) she decides to dump you. Hence, once you enter into the contract you have nothing left to offer her. Everything you have, or will have, is already hers. Seem like a harsh statement? I thought so too, the first time I heard it, during an argument with my first wife towards the end of our marriage. She asked me the eternal female question, “What do you do for me?” (i.e. what benefit do I get from associating with you?) I responded, “I pay all your expenses. I feed, clothe, and house you. And, I am paying for your college tuition.” She told me that all the money I earned was her money and that if she let me have any of it that was pure charity on her part, so I was doing nothing for her. I thought this was unduly harsh. The divorce courts showed me that it was pretty much just a statement of fact. The wife has it all, and can make her part of the marriage contract, the portion where she is to provide you with companionship, comfort, loyalty, sex, etc., null and void at any time while keeping everything you have/had/will ever have. She has no need to associate with you further once you are married (see corollary 2). (What is the difference between regular Barbie doll and divorced Barbie doll? Divorced Barbie comes with her stuff and all of Ken’s stuff too.) This seems a totally destructive state of affairs. Recently many in the western nations have been up in arms over a law passed in, I believe, Saudi Arabia that said if a married woman refuses her husband sex, then he can refuse to feed her. All are screaming it is Islamic misogyny. Seems to me, it is an equal degree of enforcement for both sides of a contract.

Presenting Briffault’s Law is a duty I felt I owed to the readership, as a public service. We all need to take off the blinders. You will get from women exactly what you should expect; if you keep Briffault’s Law (and my corollaries) in mind. Knowing this earlier in life would have saved me a lot of pain. I hope it helps some of you out there keep a hand on the reins. All of us, men and women, will be happier if men take charge of their relationships and their finances.

Thought provoking for sure. I have pretty much come to that conclusion as well. Though I grew up in thoroughly modern world and live in post-modern world, the realities of either era only change the final outcome slightly.

The task of finding a suitable woman for LTR became INSTANTLY harder once women were forced, due to economics into the labor market starting in the early 70's.

What was common until that point was a single family income stream provided by men. When the United States started trending towards "Cowboy Capitalism" and not the Western European model of Social Democracy things started to fall apart.

The social/cultural problems he mentioned in the UK are similar in Germany.

But we know what happen in the past, the issue is how to correct this problem in the future.

All you have to do is look at your own family for examples of what NOT to do. He mentioned 80% of family finances in America are controlled by women. My mother is 100% responsible for our financial situation and who stands to benefit the most - Her

My father died in 2006 and my mother was beside herself when us (me and my sister) got sizable payouts from my father's life insurance policy as part of his benefits package from PG&E. She largely got NOTHING...

The reason for moving (6 times since I turned 12) was always to upgrade our situation and it was mostly my mother who demanded this. I (and my stepfather) saw no problems with most of the places we lived previously.

While you can take all this information and become cynical, I think the cloud has a silver lining you only have to find it. That would be finding a woman that is accepting of your benefit to her with lasting impact.

In years gone by a woman would be with a "dirty" farmer because that has the lasting benefit of food and shelter. What we men need to find is a 21st Century model that provides those same iron clad benefits, to turn the tables back in our favor.

What that guy failed to mention is that some women see benefit in physical contact and companionship. That would mean eliminate those that see benefit in material items. These are the women that tend to divorce or stray when there's a lost of intimacy.

Obviously I don't think most of us fall into that last bit. Every so often and yes often times its the average/girl next door types that fall into the category of not being driven by material items or wealth.

There are gems to be found however, it just takes much time and much work.

Just how serious are you about it?

[Dash]

http://www.stickmanweekly.com/ReadersSubmissions2009/reader5546.htm

Presenting Briffault’s Law is a duty I felt I owed to the readership, as a public service. We all need to take off the blinders. You will get from women exactly what you should expect; if you keep Briffault’s Law (and my corollaries) in mind. Knowing this earlier in life would have saved me a lot of pain. I hope it helps some of you out there keep a hand on the reins. All of us, men and women, will be happier if men take charge of their relationships and their finances.
This was enlightening and fascinating. Thanks for the post. I am pasting it into an email to a couple of guys I know right now. I should print it out and keep it handy. "Break glass and re-read when pussywhipped".

[Chocha Monger]

This has been an interesting past week. It appears that Tiger Woods has quite a stroke on and off the green. At the time of this writing he was at the fourth hole and possibly advancing to the fifth. I hope married mongers out there are taking note. Tiger’s situation may be a great case study in what not to do if you’re a mongering husband.

If you’re a billionaire you should know who you’re fucking. Tiger obviously didn’t know that the ugly cocktail waitress, Jamiee Grubbs, is a thief with aspirations for fame and greatness. She appeared on the show Tool Academy and obviously graduated with full honors. Guys like screwing the ugly chicks because they’re easy but they’re also the first ones to tell everyone that you screwed them. http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/12/03/crimesider/entry5882045.shtml

Tiger made some serious errors like leaving voicemail and texting sexy messages. In addition to that his wife had access to his phone. One would think that he keep his contacts list password protected but apparently not. Circumstances led to suspicions that Tiger’s crazed wife delivered a vicious beating to his face with a golf club. In an attempt to flee he ran barefoot into his SUV only to crash into a fire hydrant and tree. His wife captured him and placed him back under house arrest. Of course, she refused to allow police to see Tiger’s battered face on two occasions when they visited the house because he was “sleeping.” Now, I wonder if it had been the wife attempting to flee and Tiger the one doing the “rescue” if police would have went away on two occasions without actually seeing her. Tiger may have joined the silent ranks of battered husbands in America. Unlike Rihanna, Tiger isn’t talking and he even took a traffic fine to protect his woman. I wonder what Oprah has to say about that?

[Dickhead]

Now had Eldridge mongered anonymously, none of this collateral damage would have occurred. So essentially he made the two fundamental mistakes that unenlightened American men make. #1 he forgot that paying for it is way less expensive and #2 he fucked American women.

So to review: Only fuck prostitutes, and only fuck non-American prostitutes.

I mean, you could fuck non-American non-prostitutes, but they will just turn into prostitutes the minute they ask for help with their bills.

Or you could be like Eldridge and fuck an American non-prostitute and watch her turn into a prostitute.

[Helpmann]

This Cablinasian can't keep his dick in his pants. The only intelligent thing Tiger Woods did was get a pre-nup, which he's now changing to further enrich his **** wife.

Men should get married after they've gotten bored fucking every hot piece of Thai/Brazilian/Czech/Colombian/American ass in existence. It's obvious that Tiger, the "billionaire," never got close. He fucks opportunistic cocktail waitresses and marries his friend's nanny, WTF!!!

Oh well, this Tiger isn't going to change his stripes anytime soon. He might as well divorce his **** wife, spend the next 10 years fucking "hood rats," so that he can begin to move on towards a relationship with someone who's more on par with his superstar status.

-Helpmann :)

[Artisttyp]

He fucks opportunistic cocktail waitresses and marries his friend's nanny, WTF!!!

-Helpmann :)


I said the same thing. The "nanny" is very average at best. Rich people should not marry hired help. They know too much.

What really disgusts me is that tiger wants to pay $5 mil for his wife to stay with him. Fuck the endorsements the secret is out of the bag. No sense pretending it's not.

You cheat you pay big time is what the media is portraying. All the ugliness is acceptable. Paying for your mistakes in hard cash is the norm.

It just shows you that even celebrities have loser sex lifes here in america.

I don't envy the guy one bit.

[Chocha Monger]

This Cablinasian can't keep his dick in his pants. The only intelligent thing Tiger Woods did was get a pre-nup, which he's now changing to further enrich his **** wife.

Men should get married after they've gotten bored fucking every hot piece of Thai/Brazilian/Czech/Colombian/American ass in existence. It's obvious that Tiger, the "billionaire," never got close. He fucks opportunistic cocktail waitresses and marries his friend's nanny, WTF!!!

Oh well, this Tiger isn't going to change his stripes anytime soon. He might as well divorce his **** wife, spend the next 10 years fucking "hood rats," so that he can begin to move on towards a relationship with someone who's more on par with his superstar status.

-Helpmann :)
American men tend to marry and fuck women of lesser status. This may just be a reflection of a society where pussy is thought to be worth it's weight in gold and the man always pays. Even before the "revamping" of the pre-nup Elin's pussy was pegged at a value of 300 million dollars. Ounce for ounce her pussy far exceeds the value of gold even in this economy.

[George90]

American men tend to marry and fuck women of lesser status. This may just be a reflection of a society where pussy is thought to be worth it's weight in gold and the man always pays. Even before the "revamping" of the pre-nup Elin's pussy was pegged at a value of 300 million dollars. Ounce for ounce her pussy far exceeds the value of gold even in this economy.

CM, you are absolutely correct that men tend to marry down. I disagree that it is due to overpriced pussy. It is the flipside of women only marrying up! Clearly, when a woman marries up, her husband is marrying down, BY DEFINITION.

It may be that women feel their pussies are too valuable to marry down or even level. (The Bible says something about being evenly yoked.) I think it is due more to societal convention that men financially support women, not the other way around. It is the feminist movement combining with this traditional convention that leads American women to believe they can have anything inthe world they can possible imagine (to quote Mick Jagger).

[Bango Cheito]

That's a very good and accurate observation with that law... I just separated for the second time and in BOTH cases it was absolutely true. Women are not the ones who are there for you when you are down. Your FRIENDS are. I was just having that conversation with the lead singer in one of my bands yesterday over lunch.

For us as musicians with such a high profile we get a fair amount of pussy just because the stage makes us look better than we really are. We have to keep reminding each other that human nature hasn't changed... these women are just thinking we're better catches than we really are :P of course, no sense not taking advantage of it....

[Dickhead]

Let's see, a $300 million pussy. I just came from my local privado where I had a "Paraguayan Sandwich" for 170 pesos for two pussies, two mouths, and two bung holes had I been so inclined. For $300 million I could do this 6,705,882 times which is over 40 million holes or to put it in more understandable terms, the equivalent of 2,235,294 golf courses. However it is true that Paraguayas require more strokes per hole.

And I didn't have to sign anything, and they have no idea what my last name is or where I live. Plus my hookers are better looking than his hookers. I don't have a black Amex, though.

[DJ FourMoney]

This Cablinasian can't keep his dick in his pants. The only intelligent thing Tiger Woods did was get a pre-nup, which he's now changing to further enrich his **** wife.

Men should get married after they've gotten bored fucking every hot piece of Thai/Brazilian/Czech/Colombian/American ass in existence. It's obvious that Tiger, the "billionaire," never got close. He fucks opportunistic cocktail waitresses and marries his friend's nanny, WTF!!!

Oh well, this Tiger isn't going to change his stripes anytime soon. He might as well divorce his **** wife, spend the next 10 years fucking "hood rats," so that he can begin to move on towards a relationship with someone who's more on par with his superstar status.

-Helpmann :)

I don't understand either, you marry a part-time model with an identical twin, your one of the richest people on the planet and you fuck with skanky hoes like that?

None of those h**kers look better than Mrs. Woods, why is it men always cheat on their wives with ugly ass women? I don't get it!

[DJ FourMoney]

I said the same thing. The "nanny" is very average at best. Rich people should not marry hired help. They know too much.

What really disgusts me is that tiger wants to pay $5 mil for his wife to stay with him. Fuck the endorsements the secret is out of the bag. No sense pretending it's not.

You cheat you pay big time is what the media is portraying. All the ugliness is acceptable. Paying for your mistakes in hard cash is the norm.

It just shows you that even celebrities have loser sex lifes here in america.

I don't envy the guy one bit.

Elin is average at best? Holy Cow what are you standards because mine seem to be MUCH LOWER than yours. After two kids she's still SKINNY which is more than I can say for most women and she's not a native American...

[Chocha Monger]

I don't understand either, you marry a part-time model with an identical twin, your one of the richest people on the planet and you fuck with skanky hoes like that?

None of those h**kers look better than Mrs. Woods, why is it men always cheat on their wives with ugly ass women? I don't get it!
There could be any number of reasons why. Swedish women are known to be emotionally distant and suffer from high rates of depression. It could be a lack of passion. Elin turned down Tiger on his first request for a date so it was hardly love at first sight. Maybe she is a starfish.

Then you have to look at the fact that men are biologically wired to search for strange pussy. Ever notice that rush of excitement you get when you start dating someone new? Some guys need that high more than others and they're not going to find it by screwing the same woman for the rest of their lives. Tiger's dad raised him to be a highly competitive alpha male on the golf course. It is not surprising that this alpha male behavior carries into his life off the green. He probably gets a high from scoring new pussy that is similar to the high he experiences from winning a golf tournament.

[Artisttyp]

Elin is average at best? Holy Cow what are you standards because mine seem to be MUCH LOWER than yours. After two kids she's still SKINNY which is more than I can say for most women and she's not a native American...


IMHO she is an average white girl...pretty but nothing special. I am biased though. I like ethnic women indian,arab,persian,latin.

The only american women that do anything for me are southern trailer girls. There is something extremely sexy about them.

At this point "looks" only don't do it for me. I need "sex appeal" to me that includes personality mannerisms and actions.

It seems complicated but it's not.

[Dickhead]

Well if his dad was military and his mom was Thai and a second wife, I think we can all do that math. Ha ha. But I know what Art means. Trailer trash sluts turn me on too. Especially if they are drunk. High on meth not so much cuz that shit rots your teeth. I have a really slutty Uruguayan chica now who likes to have her salad tossed. I'll pass her on to Art when I leave for Spain next month. She'd be right at home in a single-wide in Pascagoula. She looked kinda slutty before but now she dyed her hair blond and looks way slutty, almost Wal-Mart slutty. Dresses real slutty, talks real slutty. A couple slutty tattoos. Good teeth though. Never get involved with a woman with bad teeth, and never bet on a horse with bad teeth.

She looks a little bit like that actress who played the slutty "Jen" on Dawson's Creek.

[Artisttyp]

Well if his dad was military and his mom was Thai and a second wife, I think we can all do that math. Ha ha. But I know what Art means. Trailer trash sluts turn me on too. Especially if they are drunk. High on meth not so much cuz that shit rots your teeth. I have a really slutty Uruguayan chica now who likes to have her salad tossed. I'll pass her on to Art when I leave for Spain next month. She'd be right at home in a single-wide in Pascagoula. She looked kinda slutty before but now she dyed her hair blond and looks way slutty, almost Wal-Mart slutty. Dresses real slutty, talks real slutty. A couple slutty tattoos. Good teeth though. Never get involved with a woman with bad teeth, and never bet on a horse with bad teeth.

She looks a little bit like that actress who played the slutty "Jen" on Dawson's Creek.

Hopefully I will be in BA later next year. I always say " one man's trash is another man's treasure ". Throw it my way.

I love it when trailer trash sluts with thick thighs wear cut off sweat pants.

Also worth noting is that they are semi approachable.

Bourbon st. in New Orleans is where I fell in love with them.

[Dickhead]

Dis one ain't got the thunder thighs. Skinny Minnie. Not like Olive Oyl but if she stood with her feet together you could put your forearm between her thighs without ever touching them. Gap city. I think with the trailer trash the pellagra makes them bow legged which is generally good.

Q: What is the best thing about living in a trailer park with a toothless meth-addicted hag?
A: All her teeth have fallen out so she can still blow you after you break her jaw and she has to have it wired shut.

I had a professor once who said that trailer parks were why God created tornadoes. He did get in some trouble for that remark given where the college was located.

[DJ FourMoney]

There could be any number of reasons why. Swedish women are known to be emotionally distant and suffer from high rates of depression. It could be a lack of passion. Elin turned down Tiger on his first request for a date so it was hardly love at first sight. Maybe she is a starfish.

Then you have to look at the fact that men are biologically wired to search for strange pussy. Ever notice that rush of excitement you get when you start dating someone new? Some guys need that high more than others and they're not going to find it by screwing the same woman for the rest of their lives. Tiger's dad raised him to be a highly competitive alpha male on the golf course. It is not surprising that this alpha male behavior carries into his life off the green. He probably gets a high from scoring new pussy that is similar to the high he experiences from winning a golf tournament.

I was listening to the latest show from Black Men Venting and they touched on this lack of passion subject and it seems very possible. They use the "I want you to wear a Chicken Suit while I fuck you" analogy, in which she replied "Hell No". Then used the Damming of a river as the block of sexual desire. When a river crest the dam (seeking fulfillment from others) , its trouble for the town below (his marriage).

Which is the core of Modern Prostitution as well; getting sexual favors your unable to get from "Normal" women.

So THAT I can understand...

[DJ FourMoney]

IMHO she is an average white girl...pretty but nothing special. I am biased though. I like ethnic women indian,arab,persian,latin.

The only american women that do anything for me are southern trailer girls. There is something extremely sexy about them.

At this point "looks" only don't do it for me. I need "sex appeal" to me that includes personality mannerisms and actions.

It seems complicated but it's not.

Naw I understand your point but like I said, my standards must not be high enough. Because among me and my mortal friends she would be a Trophy Wife among us. None of the porn stars listed are better looking and that one cocktail waitress from Orlando is just horrid. Jamie Grubb is more than decent looking, IMHO.

[Jon32]

Hopefully I will be in BA later next year. I always say " one man's trash is another man's treasure ". Throw it my way.

I love it when trailer trash sluts with thick thighs wear cut off sweat pants.

Also worth noting is that they are semi approachable.

Bourbon st. in New Orleans is where I fell in love with them.


BA is mostly european looking caucasians, no? Ethnic women you would be better going to just about any other country in South America.

Also, Elin is hot!

[Meat Loaf]

"Chocha Monger" is inducted into the "Managua Mongering Hall of Fame!" Congratulations.

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"Chocha Monger" has guided ignorant Gringos for years via International Sex Forumn. These Gringos have been domesticated caballos as well as USA exported caballos.

"Chocha Monger's" list of accomplishments is legendary and his posting history is superb. While other ISG posters write dribble, "Chocha Monger" writes information that is actually useful.

"Chocha Monger" is inducted into the "Managua Mongering Hall of Fame" and joins the ranks of "DrDewman," and "Grand Pollo."

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[Mike12]

So Tiger Woods main squeeze Rachel Uchitel seemed intent in yesterdays New York Post in letting the world know she's not a prostitute, madam, homewrecker, husband stealer etc. Ok... Maybe if she returns the seven figure payoff she got that statement would not be so ridiculous. Also what did he do with that raunchy looking Florida waitress, make her jump through a hoop and bark?

[Chocha Monger]

So Tiger Woods main squeeze Rachel Uchitel seemed intent in yesterdays New York Post in letting the world know she's not a prostitute, madam, homewrecker, husband stealer etc. Ok... Maybe if she returns the seven figure payoff she got that statement would not be so ridiculous. Also what did he do with that raunchy looking Florida waitress, make her jump through a hoop and bark?
She claimed that he rode her raw and pulled her hair. :D

[DJ FourMoney]

So Tiger Woods main squeeze Rachel Uchitel seemed intent in yesterdays New York Post in letting the world know she's not a prostitute, madam, homewrecker, husband stealer etc. Ok... Maybe if she returns the seven figure payoff she got that statement would not be so ridiculous. Also what did he do with that raunchy looking Florida waitress, make her jump through a hoop and bark?

LOL at the last comment... Another Tramp was on Extra and said "I didn't know he was married" Ummm-kay That's BULLSHIT ***** and you know it! The media doesn't spend its time talking about Elin but look for any picture of Tiger and you'll find a picture of her with him in most of them.

Uchitel's mom is already loaded, Rachel is a socialite like her mother was before she met her 2nd husband. Wikipedia is a bunch of wussies they took her page down.

She is a prostitute, duh. She is a home wrecker, she know Tiger was married.

Anything else she think she's not?

[Dickhead]

I know in my heart I am old and will one day need to stop fucking hot Latinas and rely on a good AW to take care of me in the Yew Ess. If I fall ill I know I will have something like this to look forward to:

http://www.postchronicle.com/news/strange/article_212272456.shtml

[Chocha Monger]

I know in my heart I am old and will one day need to stop fucking hot Latinas and rely on a good AW to take care of me in the Yew Ess. If I fall ill I know I will have something like this to look forward to:

http://www.postchronicle.com/news/strange/article_212272456.shtml
Dickhead,

You can always consider it penance for a life of debauchery. Most AW would consider slapping you in the face with a porterhouse as a fitting reward for a life spent indulging in the carnal delights of the flesh.

[Ararat]

American men tend to marry and fuck women of lesser status. This may just be a reflection of a society where pussy is thought to be worth it's weight in gold and the man always pays. Even before the "revamping" of the pre-nup Elin's pussy was pegged at a value of 300 million dollars. Ounce for ounce her pussy far exceeds the value of gold even in this economy.A lot of people would consider pro athletes high status so it's no wonder if Tiger married a woman of lesser status. Don't think her nanny job was anything but temporary whilst waiting for something better to do. Her mom was a minister in the Swedish goverment and her twin sister(married to an banker in London) works as an attorney so she's hardly trailer trash. She was destined for a very comfortable life, one way or another.

[Chocha Monger]

Tiger liked his American women mature. Most of them were close to or at their expiration dates. It would be interesting to see the suckers who marry these budding cougars.
http://msn.foxsports.com/golf/story/10505132/Gold-diggers-like-these-set-women-back

[Dickhead]

Debauchery is a harsh word. I was merely in an experimentation phase that lasted a hell of a long time.

I think the moral of the story really is, "Always buy boneless beef" and "Never waste money on gringa carne."

[Jon32]

Tiger liked his American women mature. Most of them were close to or at their expiration dates. It would be interesting to see the suckers who marry these budding cougars.
http://msn.foxsports.com/golf/story/10505132/Gold-diggers-like-these-set-women-back


I just got an email 5 minutes ago with the women he had affairs with and they were all unbelievably gorgeous. 8 or so women.... maybe he had affairs with 50 and only 8 were really hot I dont know.

[DJ FourMoney]

A lot of people would consider pro athletes high status so it's no wonder if Tiger married a woman of lesser status. Don't think her nanny job was anything but temporary whilst waiting for something better to do. Her mom was a minister in the Swedish goverment and her twin sister(married to an banker in London) works as an attorney so she's hardly trailer trash. She was destined for a very comfortable life, one way or another.

Indeed, she was going to be successful in her personally life without Tiger anyway, she modeled after-all.

NBA players end up the women they hooked up with in College. If your Kobe you plucked Vanessa out of High School! At the time she was a part-time model and in a few music videos, Vanessa Byrant is FAR from ugly and very attractive Latina.

Same with NFL players usually, they are not hooking up with groupies per say. Steve McNair was retired, 80% of NFL players marriages end in divorce within the first 3 years of retirement.

Athletes are slightly different as they tend to date higher end women than say some 6 digit lawyer ends up with. Playmates seem to have this thing for either Athletes or Musicians, you can count on one hand how many Playmates in the last 20 years have married "normal" guys, it just doesn't happen.

Its funny all these tramps lining up to get paid. I say you don't get a dime, spill your guts if you want, what's the worst that could happen? Its already been damming, he might loose his wife, somebody suggested he should grow a goatee, divorce Elin, date a bunch of hot women and become the "Bad Boy" of Golf.

If he wanted to change his image, that's not a bad idea actually...

Forget Tiger, he just made the mistake of thinking because he's a famous person he could get away with freebies. The problem with being famous and banging freebies is they are looking to get PAID because you got money. If any of these women take money, Tom Leykis and Adam Carrolla should be calling these women what they are - HOES

[Helpmann]

A lot of people would consider pro athletes high status so it's no wonder if Tiger married a woman of lesser status. Don't think her nanny job was anything but temporary whilst waiting for something better to do. Her mom was a minister in the Swedish goverment and her twin sister(married to an banker in London) works as an attorney so she's hardly trailer trash. She was destined for a very comfortable life, one way or another.Because she's married to the most popular athlete on the planet and the first pro-athlete to earn a billion dollars in career tournament winnings and endorsements, relatively speaking, Elin is trailer-trash.

Elin was a nobody. She was a part-time nanny, part-time "model," and a full-time gold digger. Yes, Tiger could have married a "Beyonce" or a "Rihanna" and still been labeled as a man who married down in wealth, but he chose Elin.

Yes, Elin could have had her pick of lawyers, doctors, and bankers, but internationally famous multi-millionaires and billionaires was a bit out of her league. Luckily, Tiger prefers cocktail waitresses, porn actresses, and trailer trash. Regardless, she's the mother of his kids, so Tiger's stuck with Elin for a lot longer than he would have hoped.

-Helpmann :)

[Capt Ajax]

Depends on your definition of trailer trash. I live in the middle of trailer trash Southern U.S.A. Elin is NOT trailer trash. FWIW...Her parents are considered a part of the political/governing elite in Sweden. Her mother is a prominent politician in Sweden and now Governor of a Provincial municipality in Sweden. Her father is a prominent Swedish Journalist. So trailer trash in the true American sense, I think NOT. Tiger could have married almost anyone he so desired. Makes me wonder why he did not consider screwing escorts instead.

I remember while in college many ions ago, quite a few gals who had degrees, and graduated, and were not able to secure jobs, worked as au pairs(nanny's).


Because she's married to the most popular athlete on the planet and the first pro-athlete to earn a billion dollars in career tournament winnings and endorsements, relatively speaking, Elin is trailer-trash.

Elin was a nobody. She was a part-time nanny, part-time "model," and a full-time gold digger. Yes, Tiger could have married a "Beyonce" or a "Rihanna" and still been labeled as a man who married down in wealth, but he chose Elin.

Yes, Elin could have had her pick of lawyers, doctors, and bankers, but internationally famous multi-millionaires and billionaires was a bit out of her league. Luckily, Tiger prefers cocktail waitresses, porn actresses, and trailer trash. Regardless, she's the mother of his kids, so Tiger's stuck with Elin for a lot longer than he would have hoped.

-Helpmann :)

[One Eyed Man]

A lot of people would consider pro athletes high status so it's no wonder if Tiger married a woman of lesser status. Don't think her nanny job was anything but temporary whilst waiting for something better to do.

I think ol' Tiger married big game, in the eyes of most Americans: a pretty, blonde Swede. Blondes are totally worshipped here: that's why so many women bleach their hair. And to bag a Swede is a common fantasy. (Not to mention the higher probability of getting a "natural" blonde.)

I don't read much from her being a nanny. A lot of European girls (though not rocket scientists) come over here to see the US, and it's a pretty easy gig: not too hard, get the use of a car, it's usually a pretty wealthy family, etc.

[ThatGuy865]

The bottom line is Tiger married the first women who "Rocked his World". Men don't marry women because of status. Men marry women who "FUCK THE SHIT OUT OF THEM" bottom line.

His father was still alive and influenced much of how tiger lived. I'm sure hadn't been with very many women up to that point. He father kept him focused on golf.

So when she rocked him those nights he thought he'd never find a girl who could make him feel like that. Only he didn't have the experience to know how average she really was.

Men and women have different standards when it comes to dating.

A lot of successful men if they see's a "sure 10, knockout gorgeous girl" working as a fry cook at McDonalds. He would fuck her given the chance. But how many successful women would fuck the "handsome, knockout" fry cook guy at McDonalds. Not nearly as many.

Its usually only men who are born of money. Had wealthy parents who lived at a certain status that will have a standard of marrying only another wealthy person. Mostly because thats the circles which they socialize. Even then more often than not, A guy will marry below his economic status if that right girl gets a hold of him. "Rocks that suckers world"

[Dickhead]

I knew there was a reason hash browns were healthier than grits:

http://www.denverpost.com/watercooler/ci_13969606

[Chocha Monger]

I knew there was a reason hash browns were healthier than grits:

http://www.denverpost.com/watercooler/ci_13969606
Dickhead, the hot grits treatment is very common for out of pocket American men in the Southern States. It's good to see that you're keeping abreast of what awaits you in your golden years when you return to the US. At least you wouldn't starve. Your AW will make sure that you have a generous helping of hot grits for breakfast and a porterhouse served extra rare for dinner.

[Bango Cheito]

Here in Colombia the cute guy working at Mickey D's would have hot girls all over him.... including ones with money....

[Vaquero]

Just went on a date with a Match.com girl who's a native of Taiwan.

Throughout the date, I heard how her tuition at USC ran $50,000 a year, how she leases a BMW, how her dentistry practice rakes in $1.2 million a year. Me, I make a good living now -- not a million a year by any means -- but I came from modest roots.

I think she was sizing me up for father potential.

I was sizing up her hooters and considering her for sport fucking, but it looks like to get into her pants I'd have to enter world trade negotiations.

Shame to see a tasty box go to waste.

[Capt Ajax]

I feel sorry for the poor sap that marries this one. I have no doubt, she'll have a whole bunch of dumb asses itching to marry her.


Just went on a date with a Match.com girl who's a native of Taiwan.

Throughout the date, I heard how her tuition at USC ran $50,000 a year, how she leases a BMW, how her dentistry practice rakes in $1.2 million a year. Me, I make a good living now -- not a million a year by any means -- but I came from modest roots.

I think she was sizing me up for father potential.

I was sizing up her hooters and considering her for sport fucking, but it looks like to get into her pants I'd have to enter world trade negotiations.

Shame to see a tasty box go to waste.

[DJ FourMoney]

Just went on a date with a Match.com girl who's a native of Taiwan.

Throughout the date, I heard how her tuition at USC ran $50,000 a year, how she leases a BMW, how her dentistry practice rakes in $1.2 million a year. Me, I make a good living now -- not a million a year by any means -- but I came from modest roots.

I think she was sizing me up for father potential.

I was sizing up her hooters and considering her for sport fucking, but it looks like to get into her pants I'd have to enter world trade negotiations.

Shame to see a tasty box go to waste.

Interesting, while your sizing her up for a bang, I don't think you'll need the WTO or the IMF to help you, you just have to position yourself as "your worth the bother".

If there's a date #2, you're well on your way....

[Chocha Monger]

Just went on a date with a Match.com girl who's a native of Taiwan.

Throughout the date, I heard how her tuition at USC ran $50,000 a year, how she leases a BMW, how her dentistry practice rakes in $1.2 million a year. Me, I make a good living now -- not a million a year by any means -- but I came from modest roots.

I think she was sizing me up for father potential.

I was sizing up her hooters and considering her for sport fucking, but it looks like to get into her pants I'd have to enter world trade negotiations.

Shame to see a tasty box go to waste.
If she is making bank and has to get her dates from Match.com there is a good possibility that something is wrong. She might be a psycho.

[Gentleman Travel]

I was out of touch while most of this Tiger Woods story was unfolding, so forgive me if I have missed something. But at one point, in addition to being liable for a vast pre-nup settlement, Tiger was offering Elin $5 million per year just to stick around!

Well, I like lots about Tiger Woods, and his screwing around doesn't change that at all (come on, the guy's a rock star - what did she think he was doing on lonely Tuesday nights in faceless country club suburbs?). But throwing good money after bad is just stupid. He should be suing her, after charging her for battery.

I mean, two weeks ago he was on top of the world, now he is talk-show fodder and losing millions of dollars a day as gutless sponsors cut him loose. He has been screwing around for years and getting away with it because he could manage the media and gossip in his tightly controlled world. Then she goes ballistic and his stock starts plummeting. He should divorce her and sue to get her settlement cut based on his market devaluation she caused.

And why does the media go around calling all these women "mistresses"?
Being a mistress implies being supported on an on-going basis.
No one has a dozen mistresses, except maybe a Russian oligarch.
These women were fuck-bunnies. Some short-term and some slightly longer, but there is not much evidence here of semi-permanent or supported status.

Personally, I hope the list grows to at least a full 18 holes.
Then Tiger should make a drive for 36. Just do it.

[Dickhead]

for 36 holes you only need 12 hoes, not 18. check it out. 9 if you pound the [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) hole.

now if he pays her $5 million per year to stick around, and she takes it, den dat make her a ho too.

i don't support any women but they sure are coming out of the woodwork now that christmas is almost here. between today and yesterday three i haven't seen in at least a month called or texted just to "see how i was doing."

merry christmas. ho. ho. ho.

[Artisttyp]

http://m.www.yahoo.com/_ylt=AtRKmJXiXfWJZY6xQD8S10abvZx4/SIG=153l4plck/**http%3A//us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/local/New_York/WCBS-TV_New_York/fp/SIG=123cruu3k/**http%253A%252F%252Fwcbstv.com%252Flocal%252Fsex.with.horses.2.1378752.html


I say we all pitch in and buy this guy a plane ticket for Xmas....only 18 years old...not even out of college yet and he chooses [CodeWord139] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord139) over AW's.

At least go for a cat !

[Member #2041]

I think ol' Tiger married big game, in the eyes of most Americans: a pretty, blonde Swede. Blondes are totally worshipped here: that's why so many women bleach their hair. And to bag a Swede is a common fantasy. (Not to mention the higher probability of getting a "natural" blonde.)

I don't read much from her being a nanny. A lot of European girls (though not rocket scientists) come over here to see the US, and it's a pretty easy gig: not too hard, get the use of a car, it's usually a pretty wealthy family, etc.

Most folks seem to have missed out on some of Elin Nordegren's greatest selling points:

In addition to being an absolutely gorgeous blonde Swede swimsuit model, she brought the following to the table:

Familiarity with the world of pro golf, as Jesper Parnevik's kids' nanny

As a long-term professional Nanny, she was obviously good with kids.

As perfect an image for a spouse as Tiger could ever have hoped to present to the corporate world.......

And, AN IDENTICAL TWIN SISTER. I gotta believe that some really super 3-somes were involved, with these two drop dead gorgeous blondes.

[Mike12]

http://www.observer.com/2009/culture/not-quite-madams

If you are out for a night on the town in NYC make sure you have at least $350 to spend; and a few buddies to hang with cause bottle service is what its all about now...

[Brad Dupree]

[QUOTE= Forget about importing a foreign wife. These women are only timid in their home countries because the men there have about ten lefts for every right that a woman has. When you visit there to monger you’re just piggybacking off of this system that the local men have in place. Once she gets to America and realizes that she has more rights and that you have neither rights nor lefts your ass will be in deep trouble.[/QUOTE]Very well put, CM. I agree 100 percent. A lot of the filipina girls that I know here in the states tell me stories of their friends and cousins who have initiated divorces with their American husbands. They're fully aware of the pending benefits post divorce.

Of course that would never happen back in their home country.

[Goga Fung]

Very well put, CM. I agree 100 percent. A lot of the filipina girls that I know here in the states tell me stories of their friends and cousins who have initiated divorces with their American husbands. They're fully aware of the pending benefits post divorce.

Of course that would never happen back in their home country.I am now in FSU. I have dates and phone numbers more than can handle. In the USA that would be unrealistic. Especially this kinda quality of girls.

I guess the key is not to bring them to the USA:)

[Mike12]

Very well put, CM. I agree 100 percent. A lot of the filipina girls that I know here in the states tell me stories of their friends and cousins who have initiated divorces with their American husbands. They're fully aware of the pending benefits post divorce.

Of course that would never happen back in their home country.




Like Eddie Murphy said in Raw- "Beyotch last week you was back in Africa ridin a zebra buck naked, now you a sophisticated American woman, want this, want that, got rights, etc."

[Latin Bound]

I know in my heart I am old and will one day need to stop fucking hot Latinas and rely on a good AW to take care of me in the Yew Ess. If I fall ill I know I will have something like this to look forward to:

http://www.postchronicle.com/news/strange/article_212272456.shtmldoesn't it makes you proud to live in the same area where this shit is happening? I live in Ocala, and yes, this is a common ocurrence in these redneck houses.

[DJ FourMoney]

Like Eddie Murphy said in Raw- "Beyotch last week you was back in Africa ridin a zebra buck naked, now you a sophisticated American woman, want this, want that, got rights, etc."

Yeah he knew what time it is... Women here will try their best to mess up your game. That's why its important to find an intelligent women. An intelligent woman would largely reject the way men are viewed my American Women in the media and the way most AW act, this includes a few AW as well.

Tiger dug his own grave. Sure Elin as it was put by Black Men Venting Radio, might have said NO to anal sex (for example) or even sex at all saying she was tired from caring for the children. I don't like the fact that some men are ready to attack Elin without grounds really. The suspicious nature of Tiger crashing his Caddy Truck should be looked at more closely and the reports of Elin chasing him with a golf club should also be investigated but I doubt that will happen now.

Look at Chris Henry's strange death, shouldn't his gf be up on manslaughter charges? If she was the victim, you can bet your bottom dollar he would be in custody in a flash on murder charges and domestic violence charges.

For Tiger if he had kept his dick in his pants and didn't think just because he's a rich guy with a squeaky clean imagine that the American Media won't try to knock him down a notch if given the opening...

He gave them the opening.

If he had kept it to ONE woman; this might have gotten out, hush money might be been exchanged and that would be the end of it. But the current count is what, 14-16? Elin is trying to file for divorce and it will cost him because he fathered two children with her.

If she isn't willing to work it out, then give her a one time payout of $55 million and one of the homes in America. She would go back to Sweden anyway, where her mother and sister could help care for the children.

Don't get me wrong but when the shoe is on the other foot, a woman has every right to call up your mistress and say "Stop Fucking My Husband" because all these women KNEW Tiger was married, that is complete nonsense that some of them didn't know. She has the right to chase him around the house with a golf club, he fucked up....

[Dickhead]

See, Tiger should have just mongered. Let's compare. Tiger is famous. He fucks 12 women in the last 6-7 years, his life is ruined, and it will cost a minimum of $50 million. I am pretty famous here now too but I fucked 500 and it cost me maybe $50 thousand.

So I am (500/12) x (million/thousand) = approximately 40,000 times smarter than he is.

[Meat Loaf]

See, Tiger should have just mongered. Let's compare. Tiger is famous. He fucks 12 women in the last 6-7 years, his life is ruined, and it will cost a minimum of $50 million. I am pretty famous here now too but I fucked 500 and it cost me maybe $50 thousand.

So I am (500/12) x (million/thousand) = approximately 40,000 times smarter than he is.

Tiger is another Black Dumb A*s Guy. Good thing he admitted that he wasn't Black years ago after the Masters.

He has no P.I.M.P. game, just a lot of money regardless of divorce settlement.

[DJ FourMoney]

Tiger is another Black Dumb A*s Guy. Good thing he admitted that he wasn't Black years ago after the Masters.

He has no P.I.M.P. game, just a lot of money regardless of divorce settlement.

He is a dumb ass, that's for sure. He should have mongered, would have cost him much less. But as you know trying to convince a nation of men that women have steered them wrong and that its much like the old Fram filter commercials -
"You can pay me now or you can pay me later"

You're expected to pay for any first date. Why shouldn't you pay for pussy if that's what you want ultimately? Tiger already had Wife and Kids, he just wanted to fuck. Fine, we get it. But he instead and his handlers agreed that "I'm Fucking Tiger Woods, I can fuck anybody I want without paying for it"

I doubt he has any playa skillz, being constantly surrounded by people that have no idea how to do such things.

He also only denies being Half Black when its convenient. He embraces it in one of his many text messages.

[Chocha Monger]

Very well put, CM. I agree 100 percent. A lot of the filipina girls that I know here in the states tell me stories of their friends and cousins who have initiated divorces with their American husbands. They're fully aware of the pending benefits post divorce.

Of course that would never happen back in their home country.
Brad Dupree:

A lot of American men visit foreign countries where the women appear docile and submissive. They think that this is the natural nature of these women. The truth is that the women behave this way for one reason, and one reason only, the local men are “b*tch slapping men” (BSM). The women are kept in line in this manner and by virtue of your being male they naturally show difference to you because they assume that you are a BSM too. Chinese men are BSM. They treat their women like cheap pieces of fuck meat. Women are considered to be worthless. Families value sons and daughters must go to work in sweatshops or sell their pussies to support the male siblings. Women will often sell their pussies during their youth to find enough money to support and marry their boyfriends. It is the natural order of things there and Chinese women accept it. The proof of this acceptance is the fact that Chinese women are largely endogamous. This system of community pussy provides a cheap and ready accessible supply of young pussy for local men.

In America things are different. Women have more value than men. Men are routinely sacrificed for the good of women. When a woman accuses a man of something the man is presumed to be guilty until proven otherwise. All the BSM in America are in jail. A woman can just accuse you of being a BSM and you can be arrested and barred from entering your residence until brought to trial. Such things would never happen to the men in those wonderful mongering countries where American men find paradise. So some of these men get to thinking, “Wouldn’t it be wonderful to bring one of those sweet submissive women to America where I can root her young hole and suck her fresh tits everyday?” Well, it’s a nice idea at first look except for the fact that human beings adapt to their environment. That sweet docile little piece of fuck meat will soon find out that BSM do not exist outside of the prisons in America and she will adapt. She will change like a carp that swims up the Yellow River to the Dragon Gate and leaps out of the water transforming into a dragon.

[DJ FourMoney]

Brad Dupree:

A lot of American men visit foreign countries where the women appear docile and submissive. They think that this is the natural nature of these women. The truth is that the women behave this way for one reason, and one reason only, the local men are “b*tch slapping men” (BSM). The women are kept in line in this manner and by virtue of your being male they naturally show difference to you because they assume that you are a BSM too. Chinese men are BSM. They treat their women like cheap pieces of fuck meat. Women are considered to be worthless. Families value sons and daughters must go to work in sweatshops or sell their pussies to support the male siblings. Women will often sell their pussies during their youth to find enough money to support and marry their boyfriends. It is the natural order of things there and Chinese women accept it. The proof of this acceptance is the fact that Chinese women are largely endogamous. This system of community pussy provides a cheap and ready accessible supply of young pussy for local men.

In America things are different. Women have more value than men. Men are routinely sacrificed for the good of women. When a woman accuses a man of something the man is presumed to be guilty until proven otherwise. All the BSM in America are in jail. A woman can just accuse you of being a BSM and you can be arrested and barred from entering your residence until brought to trial. Such things would never happen to the men in those wonderful mongering countries where American men find paradise. So some of these men get to thinking, “Wouldn’t it be wonderful to bring one of those sweet submissive women to America where I can root her young hole and suck her fresh tits everyday?” Well, it’s a nice idea at first look except for the fact that human beings adapt to their environment. That sweet docile little piece of fuck meat will soon find out that BSM do not exist outside of the prisons in America and she will adapt. She will change like a carp that swims up the Yellow River to the Dragon Gate and leaps out of the water transforming into a dragon.

Too true CM, I just have this nagging disagreement about bringing them here though.

Like I said, I know women that staunchly disagree with America's wacky value system. What happens is, those women are few and far between inside America, most of them are married and the husbands are happier than a pig in slop...

There plenty of Europeans, South Americans and Asians that think our value system is downright nuts. They would never cow to it, they rather be ridiculed and run in their own cultural circles if they have too.

What needs to happen more often is have those that are happy presented to the doubters and skeptics in the room.

You can still bring your "prize" home, you need to make sure you bring the right one home and not end up with door #3 , the goat and a hay filled mattress...

[Brad Dupree]

Yes Four Money. However, one of the problems I noticed is the AW will most always attempt to convert the non AW.

Case in point, one of my buddy's AW girlfriend learned that my filipina gf cooked breakfast for me daily. After learning this she felt the need to tell my gf that she should NOT B. Can you believe this crap? This f'ing AW butting in to my business and trying to ruin our good thing.

It's tuff, the AW is always going to try to make the non AW join their team. Just have to hope the AWs influence will not be too appealing.


Too true CM, I just have this nagging disagreement about bringing them here though.

Like I said, I know women that staunchly disagree with America's wacky value system. What happens is, those women are few and far between inside America, most of them are married and the husbands are happier than a pig in slop.

There plenty of Europeans, South Americans and Asians that think our value system is downright nuts. They would never cow to it, they rather be ridiculed and run in their own cultural circles if they have too.

What needs to happen more often is have those that are happy presented to the doubters and skeptics in the room.

You can still bring your "prize" home, you need to make sure you bring the right one home and not end up with door #3, the goat and a hay filled mattress.

[Meat Loaf]

Fellas', help me out.

What / how would you define American Woman?

How would you define USA romantic / family / parenting culture?

I ask these questions 'cause I know there has to be a common thread or "Top 10" American Women traits and there has to also be a "Top 10" reality / truths about the USA culture of male-female relations.

(One time, a sucker who's wife divorced him for her high school sweetheart and took the two (2) children with her told me I was "non-competitive" in the USA-romantic arena. He was still concerned if her "love" was genuine or if she was faithful during their marriage, as if that's ever important.)

[DJ FourMoney]

Fellas', help me out.

What / how would you define American Woman?

How would you define USA romantic / family / parenting culture?

I ask these questions 'cause I know there has to be a common thread or "Top 10" American Women traits and there has to also be a "Top 10" reality / truths about the USA culture of male-female relations.

(One time, a sucker who's wife divorced him for her high school sweetheart and took the two (2) children with her told me I was "non-competitive" in the USA-romantic arena. He was still concerned if her "love" was genuine or if she was faithful during their marriage, as if that's ever important.)

The reality or the dream state?

What you just described is the hellish reality of relationships in America.

What lawyer is going to tell his client that she shouldn't try to take the kids even if that lawyer knows she is a terrible mother?

That is the sign of a broken man; a man that is still concerned genuine "love" and fidelity. Maybe he should be concerned if those children are even HIS!

Family Parenting Culture is symbolized by what is seen on TV. You have too many young women having children, coming from single parent households, many women have NO IDEA what parenting or family life is about, how could they know what they should do when confronted with problems in a relationship?

That's why I have been saying for years, that you should be concerned if a women has too many of her friends involved in your relationship with her. Other women, married or single often sabotage your relationship, intentionally or not.

Just being a normal honest guy with no bullshit is not rewarded. You are PUNISHED!

Therefore what choices do you have?

Mongering for some is the answer especially those advanced in age (50+).

For those of us still holding out hope its not too late to have a family, we have to venture beyond these shores. I can't plead enough with my fellow man. If your brown, black, white, yellow, it doesn't matter. You'll find even in your own culture you're seeing some of the same problems, this behavior is not unique to any race or culture.

Some of us really have no choice but to return to America.

You have basically three choices -

Live in Culturally Conservative "Fly Over Land", Liberal Coastal Cities or Culturally Challenged Deep South

All these places have their own problems but I would say you're better off in multi-culturally places like the Northeast or West Coast.

I'll keep saying it, its most important that you find a woman that rejects typical AW behavior, its easier than you think...

[Chocha Monger]

i would define american woman (aw) as a female born in the united states of america or canada. or a female immigrant to one of these two countries who has internalized the values systems and beliefs regarding men found in these nations. however, given the reach of american culture via the internet and television it is possible to find women who have never set foot on in canada or the usa who seek to emulate the behavior of aw.

some of the characteristics associated with american women are as follows:

1. she believes that men should pay for her meals, drinks and entertainment on social outings.

2. she believes that she can do anything that a man can do but she still expects men to come to her aid and assist her because of her gender.

3. she believes that female sexual access is worth more than male sexual access therefore men must provide her with something other than sexual satisfaction to receive her sexual favors.

4. she uses her sexuality to obtain things from men in whom she has no genuine sexual interest. she may flirt for drinks in a bar then refuse to give her phone number to the man who buys her drinks or give him a wrong number.

5. she likes to believe that she is independent but will seek peer approval from girlfriends in the club before deciding to fuck a particular man.

6. she thinks that a husband is really a slave who works and pays for all of her expenses including offspring. she does not believe that he has rights to the house and car he bought, or the offspring he sired and supports.

7. she believes that anything she does within the marriage is actually a favor and not an obligation to her husband.

8. she believes that if she divorces her husband he should get nothing and she should get everything. this includes custody of the children and family pets, child support and generous vaginamony.

9. she lets herself go immediately after marriage, gains weight and neglects her personal appearance.

10. after giving birth to a predetermined number of offspring she cuts off the sex.

11. she sees domestic violence laws as a way to gain advantage in divorce and child custody battles rather than laws to protect family members from abusing each other.

12. she expects men to approach her but she activates the ***** shield on all but the obviously rich. yet she will [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and moan about not being able to find a “good man.”

13. she wants her men to be handsome, well hung and wealthy but if a man rejects her for being fat or homely she thinks he is shallow.

14. she has a list of special calendar dates on which she expects expensive gifts and pampering from the unlucky man in her life. if he forgets there will be hell to pay.

15. she considers any foreign woman marrying an american man to be gold digger and visa hunter.

16. she considers american men who marry foreign women losers.

17. she only dates men her own age or within a 3 year difference. when she reaches her fifties she calls herself an urban cougar, and dates men young enough to be her son even though during her youth she called men who did the same “dirty old men, creeps or perverts.”

18. she thinks it’s her job to teach foreign women the way things are when it comes to treating men in spite of her long record of being dumped multiple times and a few divorces.

19. world events are not her strong point. beyond the borders of english-speaking north america the world is a dangerous and poverty stricken shit hole.

20. she believes that women can physically assault men without legal consequences and they should not retaliate.

[ThatGuy865]

i would define american woman (aw) as a female born in the united states of america or canada. or a female immigrant to one of these two countries who has internalized the values systems and beliefs regarding men found in these nations. however, given the reach of american culture via the internet and television it is possible to find women who have never set foot on in canada or the usa who seek to emulate the behavior of aw.

some of the characteristics associated with american women are as follows:

1. she believes that men should pay for her meals, drinks and entertainment on social outings.

2. she believes that she can do anything that a man can do but she still expects men to come to her aid and assist her because of her gender.

3. she believes that female sexual access is worth more than male sexual access therefore men must provide her with something other than sexual satisfaction to receive her sexual favors.

4. she uses her sexuality to obtain things from men in whom she has no genuine sexual interest. she may flirt for drinks in a bar then refuse to give her phone number to the man who buys her drinks or give him a wrong number.

5. she likes to believe that she is independent but will seek peer approval from girlfriends in the club before deciding to fuck a particular man.

6. she thinks that a husband is really a slave who works and pays for all of her expenses including offspring. she does not believe that he has rights to the house and car he bought, or the offspring he sired and supports.

7. she believes that anything she does within the marriage is actually a favor and not an obligation to her husband.

8. she believes that if she divorces her husband he should get nothing and she should get everything. this includes custody of the children and family pets, child support and generous vaginamony.

9. she lets herself go immediately after marriage, gains weight and neglects her personal appearance.

10. after giving birth to a predetermined number of offspring she cuts off the sex.

11. she sees domestic violence laws as a way to gain advantage in divorce and child custody battles rather than laws to protect family members from abusing each other.

12. she expects men to approach her but she activates the ***** shield on all but the obviously rich. yet she will [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and moan about not being able to find a "good man. "

13. she wants her men to be handsome, well hung and wealthy but if a man rejects her for being fat or homely she thinks he is shallow.

14. she has a list of special calendar dates on which she expects expensive gifts and pampering from the unlucky man in her life. if he forgets there will be hell to pay.

15. she considers any foreign woman marrying an american man to be gold digger and visa hunter.

16. she considers american men who marry foreign women losers.

17. she only dates men her own age or within a 3 year difference. when she reaches her fifties she calls herself an urban cougar, and dates men young enough to be her son even though during her youth she called men who did the same "dirty old men, creeps or perverts. "

18. she thinks it's her job to teach foreign women the way things are when it comes to treating men in spite of her long record of being dumped multiple times and a few divorces.

19. world events are not her strong point. beyond the borders of english-speaking north america the world is a dangerous and poverty stricken shit hole.

20. she believes that women can physically assault men without legal consequences and they should not retaliate.how many of these traits should an aw have. because i don't think i've met a women that ever had all.

or are you saying a women that has any of these traits are aw and therefore not worth a mans effort.

[Voyajer1]

I believe that any beaotch that displays even slightly any of these behaviors has relegated herself to the level of AW. I am certain that not all of these creatures disgustingly, pathetic and inexcusable behaviors is listed, CM; however, for the most part you are right on target! These women’s sense of entitlement is beyond excuse and reproach. That is why I promised myself a long time ago not to waste my time pursuing such a disturbing pack of hags: They may have the look, but if you go deeper, are you willing to lose a lifetime of work and achievement on one of these leaches? Fuck no!!! If you keep your distance from these beaotches, your life will remain prosperous, uplifting and safe. But if you engage in a relationship with them, you are in for a world of disappointment, betrayal, lost income (Let’s just say 40%) and no sex. It is just not worth the effort.
How many of these traits should an AW have. Because I don't think I've met a women that ever had ALL.

Or are you saying a women that has any of these traits are AW and therefore not worth a mans effort.

[Dickhead]

Sometimes I think I'm smart because I am not vulnerable to an AW taking 40% of my income or assets. But then I realize I am spending 40% of my income on pussy anyway so maybe I am not as smart as I think. It's good pussy though.

[Doctor_Skank]

Sometimes I think I'm smart because I am not vulnerable to an AW taking 40% of my income or assets. But then I realize I am spending 40% of my income on pussy anyway so maybe I am not as smart as I think. It's good pussy though.You're spending 40% of your income on getting as much pussy as you can on your terms rather than blowing it out the window on one woman on her terms.

I'd say you're on the winning team now... )

[Golfinho]

You're spending 40% of your income on getting as much pussy as you can on your terms rather than blowing it out the window on one woman on her terms.

I'd say you're on the winning team now.)Nothing here to disagree with. Only thing that I'll never understand is why some guys ride a plane halfway around the world only to choose to pay a fat, old or ugly thing to have sex with them? It's like it is a sub-conscious urge to select something that is similar to what they'd be getting at home. Everyone has no doubt at one time or another seen this phenomena. To me, this proves the point that experience with AW has you conditioned to accept something sub-standard. And that's sad. Shouldn't be that way.

[Meat Loaf]

They may have the look, but if you go deeper, are you willing to lose a lifetime of work and achievement on one of these leaches? Fuck no!!! If you keep your distance from these beaotches, your life will remain prosperous, uplifting and safe. But if you engage in a relationship with them, you are in for a world of disappointment, betrayal, lost income (Let’s just say 40%) and no sex. It is just not worth the effort.
Excellent statement.

[Meat Loaf]

Sometimes I think I'm smart because I am not vulnerable to an AW taking 40% of my income or assets. But then I realize I am spending 40% of my income on pussy anyway so maybe I am not as smart as I think. It's good pussy though.
You're paying piece-by-piece and being mandated by a third-party to pay a lump-sum.

You're maintaining control Dickhead!

[Meat Loaf]

As a young executive, I find it easy for people to confuse / use her career as justification for her actions.

Do you want a Latina Loser or an American Career-Woman Winner?

I face this question often. Lots of career losers and without the USA-enforced marriage & child support contract, they have 0% power. In the USA, they have careers (ie. means) and the USA-enforced marriage & child support contracts / legislation to ensure your demise.

Or better yet, don't talk about careers and keep the legs spread with the belly growing!

[Oaktree]

I believe that any beaotch that displays even slightly any of these behaviors has relegated herself to the level of AW. I am certain that not all of these creatures disgustingly, pathetic and inexcusable behaviors is listed, CM; however, for the most part you are right on target! These women's sense of entitlement is beyond excuse and reproach. That is why I promised myself a long time ago not to waste my time pursuing such a disturbing pack of hags: They may have the look, but if you go deeper, are you willing to lose a lifetime of work and achievement on one of these leaches? Fuck no! If you keep your distance from these beaotches, your life will remain prosperous, uplifting and safe. But if you engage in a relationship with them, you are in for a world of disappointment, betrayal, lost income (Let's just say 40%) and no sex. It is just not worth the effort.Voyajer1, I just wanted to come and thank you for writing that post. This summer, I had just ended a LTR with an AW. Fortunately, I got to enjoy the beginning of the relationship of "lots of sex" because well, AW are sluttier than foreign girls early on in a relationship. I've found that AW girls use sex more and more later on to try and maintain control.

Like you said, they treat men like we have to follow this strict code to be this caring mate, but they get to do whatever the fuck they want. After being disrespected a few times like that, I broke up with her. Funny thing is, after she lost me she realized she lost someone who would've actually taken really great care of her, and all she had to do was stop being a *****, and she begged me to take her back. LOL, fuck her. I'm in Asia now banging hotter, more submissive girls who will let a reasonable person (a. K. A. The man) set the terms of the relationship. There are a few other girls I'm also getting to know in case I want a LTR and to settle down with a girl who knows that being in a relationship is about taking care of each other, instead of being a leech like the AW's.

[ThatGuy865]

Basically all women are the same, its only that AW have knowledge over the other women.

Bring a woman from any country, inform her that after being married for a few years, if she divorces you she can demand 50% of all assets earned during that time and financial support for years after. Let her know that there are facilities around that will give her food, shelter, and assistance until she can get on her feet. Let her know that if you touch her in any way you automatically go to jail.

Then lets see how many of those women would remain the passive, homemakers you so worship. You can read on the post of any country about women from each of those countries who have screwed over some guy. Having him send money while she screws a local.

[Voyajer1]

This is why skanky-assed AW's go to foreign lands attempting to export their poisonous habits to "level the playing field". In other words telling real women how to be beaotches. This is why they get ignored when traveling overseas trying to preach their screwed up views. Again, as long as the laws for all these foreign countries where men can be men are not changed, I will personally continue my voyages and enjoy the priviledges of being a man in those lands since here in the Sex Prison, its all been taken away.

Look at what's written below and you know what the heck I'm talking about. Just in case that isn't enough, guess what, you don't even have to be married to be submitted to those penalties. I would never hurt a woman in anyway. I don't advocate that kind of behavior, we need to be men when dealing with women anywhere. However, the consequenses are so slanted in their favor, why do we even bother? She can have a baby during marriage that isn't the husband's; he'll be stuck with that bill anyway, and so on and so on. Anywhere else in the world, common sense would prevail. That is the liability that an AW has become in my opinion. Say what you will about foreign women. As long as they continue to live there, we have nothing to worry about :D

Basically all women are the same, its only that AW have knowledge over the other women.

Bring a woman from any country, inform her that after being married for a few years, if she divorces you she can demand 50% of all assets earned during that time and financial support for years after. Let her know that there are facilities around that will give her food, shelter, and assistance until she can get on her feet. Let her know that if you touch her in any way you automatically go to jail.

Then lets see how many of those women would remain the passive, homemakers you so worship. You can read on the post of any country about women from each of those countries who have screwed over some guy. Having him send money while she screws a local.

[Member #4698]

I just started reading this thread and I couldn't agree more with general consensus. I have just a few preliminary points to make:

1. Feminization (male emasculation) is also found in the culture of Western Europe, Australia and New Zealand. American Women really stands for Western Women.

2. Perhaps the biggest victims (losers) in the feminization of our society are women. Women used to be loved and treasured in the sanctuary of the family. Now they are at best tolerated and so they either find themselves in failed relationships or empty loveless unions. What a triumph!

3. Don't kid yourself. Asian Women will quickly turn into AW if you take them out of their native culture or bring your Western culture with you. Treat them with kindness and respect while you fuck them till they can't walk, but never get stupid or sentimental.

[Chocha Monger]

American women don’t have any more knowledge than foreign women. In fact, American women are generally stupider and less knowledgeable about the world than foreign women. The only thing that gives American women an edge is the fact that American men passed laws and reforms that were intended to put women on an equal footing with men. However, when these laws were passed instead of entirely abandoning old traditions and expectations American women slyly rejected those that did not serve their purpose while holding on to those that now gave them an unfair advantage over men. Now they misuse sexual harassment and gender discrimination laws against men in the workplace when they can’t compete fairly or dislike a particular male coworker.

American women can make their own money have their own careers but they still like spending men’s money and as if that wasn’t enough they want to dictate the terms of the relationship. They don’t want to be equal. They want to be in charge and have men serve them. That is the bottom line. Men are realizing now that they legislated themselves right into sexual refugee status. So now they’re forced to flee their country in search of pussy in the Third World. Others who are less adventurous choose to sport fuck American women with no sort of commitment. Marriage is on the decline in America. Only religious nuts and women concerned about losing their fast track to riches are trying to defend it from the gays. They know that gay marriage will lead to the elimination of the gender bias in favor of women which currently exists in the legal system.

American women have reached the point where they think the laws no longer apply to them. One just has to take a look at the Amanda Knox case. Knox murdered her British roommate out of jealousy and manipulated her boyfriend and another accomplice into helping her carry out the murder. She was so sure that she’d get off that she did cartwheels while she waited for questioning at the police station. Knox also did some typical things associated with white female American criminals. She accused a black man, her boss, of being the one who carried out the murder. Her false accusation led to his being jailed until his name was cleared. She has a following of very strident supports among the female population in America. They’ve tried to pressure Hillary Clinton into making it a diplomatic issue. In America she would have probably gotten away with her crime but she got a taste of Italian justice instead.

[OldSchool318]

You gentlemen are so right. I post more on the US version of this site, and also on another forum board, and have been mostly a lurker on this site but I know when a spade is a spade.

The US woman wants a Man who will serve her and be there when needed and also her kid if she has one (or few). They will expect you to be there for them at there calling. They have it in their heads that their pussy is worth its weight in gold and we will play to their whims. I know so many guys who support the woman and their kids only to get completely shit on. It makes no sense.

I love sport fucking them, but find it impossible to get entangled with them. Too many are so self centered and selfish, and many are on serious meds as that is now the thing in my home country.

I get asked the question all the time why I am not married and I just can't find a reason I would ever do that. The American Woman is no longer worthy of marriage.

[Member #4698]

Some of the posts on this thread got me thinking of a girl I once lived with. The relationship started out great. She was very pretty and a lot of fun to be with. The sex was great. I loved her sweet little pussy and she had lots of orgasms. So after a few months, I asked her to move in.

That's when the relationship started going downhill. Not satisfied with living together with a man that really dug her, she started fixating on marriage. Why wouldn't I marry her was a common refrain. Then the sex started happening less often. It was like she put us on a time schedule; 3 times a week, no more, no less. I asked her if anything was wrong. She said no. I asked her if the sex was still good or if there was something more she wanted me to do. She said everything was fine.

I remember one conversation where she offhandedly told me that her mother had once counseled her to never deny her husband (man) a sexual request. Her tone was one of derision. Like the poor old ditty, what a fool. Of course you deny your man sex, that's how you control him. And all men need to be trained and controlled! Well, I soured on the relationship pretty quickly after that. I started to resent her manipulations. I hated always asking for sex and being turned down half the time. I stopped initiating sex with her. And when she initiated it, I didn't feel the old spark.

She continued to fixate on marriage not realizing anything was wrong. But one day I sat her down and broke up with her. I don't think she ever saw the end coming. She never realized what a turn off the control thing was.

Oh well, that's life in sexual prison. Today I am having the best sex in my life with young hotties from Thailand, Cambodia, Costa Rica, and yes occasionally the USA. She on the other hand is overweight, unhappily married to a wus, and has two kids.

I think of that Bob Marley song, "Duppy Conqueror: "The bars could not hold me, force could not control me. They tried to keep me down. But for J'ah I around."

[Nyc Expat]

American women have reached the point where they think the laws no longer apply to them. One just has to take a look at the Amanda Knox case. Knox murdered her British roommate out of jealousy and manipulated her boyfriend and another accomplice into helping her carry out the murder. She was so sure that she’d get off that she did cartwheels while she waited for questioning at the police station. Knox also did some typical things associated with white female American criminals. She accused a black man, her boss, of being the one who carried out the murder. Her false accusation led to his being jailed until his name was cleared. She has a following of very strident supports among the female population in America. They’ve tried to pressure Hillary Clinton into making it a diplomatic issue. In America she would have probably gotten away with her crime but she got a taste of Italian justice instead.

I must point out there was no DNA or other evidence Knox was present at the time of the murder. For you to post such a statement is highly unnecessary and irrelevant on this forum. She has no similarities with her general female American sisterhood as a student whom studied abroad and tried by a foreign court. I suggest you delete your Knox paragraph immediately.

[Dickhead]

"Foreign court"? She was tried in the country in which she had chosen to live. And my aren't we the sensitive politically correct New Age Guy. Whose purse are your balls in? Who cares if Knox is even guilty? She's a fuckin' wing nut so just shoot her and get it over with. Or stick a chisel in her ear and pound it with a mallet. Or deport her to Yemen and let the towel heads have a wheel party with her.

[Chocha Monger]

i must point out there was no dna or other evidence knox was present at the time of the murder. for you to post such a statement is highly unnecessary and irrelevant on this forum. she has no similarities with her general female american sisterhood as a student whom studied abroad and tried by a foreign court. i suggest you delete your knox paragraph immediately.
i’m sorry to burst your bubble but foxy knoxy was convicted by a jury of her peers (people of european ancestry). the fact that she falsely accused a black man of the crime follows a historical pattern of behavior common to white female american criminals. for example, susan smith did it when she drowned her sons in 1994; bonnie sweeten claimed she and her daughter were abducted by black men in a cadillac after embezzling money and fleeing to disney; ashley todd claimed that a 6-foot-4 black man carved a b into her cheek and robbed her because she had a mccain bumper sticker; fannie taylor claimed that she was assaulted by a black man after being beaten by her white lover while her husband was at work, sparking the lynching of blacks in the rosewood massacre.

patrick lumumba was imprisoned after amanda knox falsely implicated him in the murder. the courts awarded him $12,000 for false imprisonment and ordered knox to pay him $60,000 in damages. i guess she lied on him because she was innocent?

dna from knox was all over the apartment mixed with the victim’s blood. her dna was also on the murder weapon which had the victim’s dna. it should also be noted that there was evidence of an attempt to clean up the crime scene using bleach.

in this thread we discuss american women and their behavior. therefore pointing out amanda knox as a cold calculating american murderess is entirely relevant, and i might even say necessary, in the examination of this subject.

please extricate your balls from the purse where it is currently detained and reclaim some of your dignity as a man. american women apologists, like you, are a large part of the reason why american men are forced to practice sexual colonialism in foreign nations.

[Paniki]

3. Don't kid yourself. Asian Women will quickly turn into AW if you take them out of their native culture or bring your Western culture with you. Treat them with kindness and respect while you fuck them till they can't walk, but never get stupid or sentimental.Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winnar!

Things are getting better, but I never should of left country.

[Capt Ajax]

Here are some comments from guys who have been lured in marriage only to find the wife no longer interested in sex after the marriage. It's a warning to those still thinking about marrying an American woman. After marriage you can forget about sex.

I am wondering what the incidence of the sexless marriage is in America (or worldwide). I'm also wondering what the typical time-frame is for a marriage to become that way.


I'm in a marriage that has become like a friendship, roommate relationship. We're married for 22 years, have 3 teenagers and sex occurs 2-4 times per year for the past 15 yrs. I used to be very upset about it but now I simply accept it after trying numerous times to talk about it and let my wife know of my disappointment. She was a virgin when we married (she was 28!) and sex was never important to her. I made the fatal error of thinking I could changer her. I was wrong.

It's the sole reason that I started in this hobby and thankfully the hobby has allowed me to stay in the marriage by keeping me focused on the good instead of the frustration.

I will live my life loving her but I need the hobby to have a sex life.

So, the question is: How common is this in the U.S. or worldwide?

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I think the incidence of no & low sex drive women is much higher than they think. I think "falling in love", "wanting to get married", "wanting a baby" stirs up otherwise dormant hormones.
My first wife apparently had a sex drive, but shut it off for me about the time we were married (or once I was committed to it) I should have been warned. BTW, she still had a sex drive with others apparently!
My present wife, had no sex in the 5 years after her first husband passed away. No partners, no self sex. In the 20 years since, she's reverted quickly to the no sex drive mode... though she warms up to it with a prolonged build up & has O's & a good time. She has never initiated in those 20 years. She will moderately avoid sex. She controls & limits sex to late at night (when we're both tired) in the bedroom.

I never went outside on a GF or SO or wife until the last few years... I do have a disablity & there are some experiences that will not happen unless I look elsewhere for them.

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In the case on my SO, a hysterectomy and early menopause make sex more difficult physically and her desire for sex has diminished markedly. In addition, the time she spent on antidepressants has made it every difficult for her to orgasm. She used to orgasm at least once when we had sex but she hasn't done so in months now and regards it as more work than it is worth.

There is also the issue of familiarity which often leads to a reduction in desire for a partner. As the old joke goes, " Same cow?". Also, many partners in a marriage don't put in the time or effort to keep themselves physically attractive. I have friends with spouses (male and female) who are so fat and homely there's no way I would ever want to be intimate with them.

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Sex was GREAT in the beginning, 2 years into our 14 year marriage is when she lost interest. I held out as long as I could. Year 13 is when I started looking somewhere else. Now I have gone through a lot!!! Still love my wife very much and recently have come to accept her sex drive will not change. Believe me if my wife's sex drive returned I would stop the hobby in a minute. Recently had a girl come to my house. I looked for this one that looked like a younger version of my wife. Had her put on one of my wife's dresses and did her from behind and called her my wife's name and had her yell out my pet name. Little weird maybe but it did wonders for me!!!

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I have been married for 22 years and have three boys 21, 18, and 13. Our relationship has been friendship for the last 10 years. After many years of practically begging for sex, I gave up and turned to the hobby life style. This has kept my family together. I have a nice life style and my wife is happy that I am not pestering her for sex. Once or twice a year she might feel the urge and pull me into the bedroom. But, alas, it is always the same.. Two minutes into it, she always says "are you finished yet". She has her one or two satisfied moments during the brief sex and she is good to go for another six months. I talk to other guys in my office and they are in the same situation.

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When a man and woman get married they love each other and are thinking about different commitments. There is an "unwritten commitment" between the couple which resides in each person's thought process, the woman is thinking, I have a man to take care of me financially and spiritually. The man is thinking I have a woman I can have sex with just about whenever I want. As my doctor says, most woman soon after "alter" the unwritten agreement and use sex as a tool, rather than continuing to build the relationship. Whereas, the man has to continue plotting along holding his end of the unwritten agreement up, working at his job trying to make more money to improve the family life style.

What if one day, the husband said "I'm going to take a couple of months off and just hang around the house with my friends"? Thus, breaking the "unwritten agreement", I do not think this would go over to well, but alas the woman can say "I don't feel like or want to have sex for an extended period and it has to be accepted by the man. The woman in a relationship has other things to hold onto, such as the strong attachment of being a successful mother to her children, her home and her job. She loses touch with making her husband feel special and his needs for romance.

In our relationship, we split all the inside household duties and I keep up with all the household maintenance and yard jobs outside.
I thought takings some of the inside burden would help her frame of mind and appreciate me a little more. Too no avail.....

Thus back to the issue, I think the loss of sexual appetite by the woman is very common. Thank you to all my providers, who make me feel special.

[Member #4698]

Things are getting better, but I never should of left country.
I wish you well Paniki. I hope things work out with your exotic orchid.

I am only human, and so I too over the years, have met a couple of real peaches (or should I say mangos) that have tempted me greatly to cross the line and make mine. But my work is in the USA and I knew what would almost certainly happen if I brought them home with me. Trouble, to say the least, and I did not want to risk that.

So I work for the day when I can be financially independent, hopefully not too far off. Then I see myself travelling 9 or 10 months a year. Living in Thailand for 4 months, getting a steady girl, riding bareback, and occasionally going off reservation to visit my favorite massage parlors. Then before I get bored, taking off for the Philippines or Cambodia for a couple months, on the way to Brazil for another couple months, and returning to the USA for a summer break before heading back to Thailand and starting all over again. I think I could keep this up in perpetude or at least until I can no longer get it up.

In the meantime I am able to travel to Asia or Latin America for 1½ to 2 months a year and I am usually lucky to find some sexy American girls (gringas) to take up the slack in between. Life is pretty good. One thing I know for sure; I could have never been happy under the totalitarian regime a couple of my ex girlfriends wanted to install over me. I got to be free.

[ThatGuy865]

I am wondering what the incidence of the sexless marriage is in America (or worldwide). I'm also wondering what the typical time-frame is for a marriage to become that way.Capt,

I don't think it has anything to do with what country you are born, but the two people themselves. Its hard for any guy to excited about having sex with the same women after 5 to 10 years. Once you have done every position. And then some. You know each other so well, there is nothing new to explore. You know exactly how each option is going to feel. So there is nothing exciting about it. To tell you the thruth I believe that most couples, Men and women, don't seem to mind the slow down in sex as long as its not totally non existent. But once a week or even 2 weeks seems to be ok.

I'm sure a lot of guys will tell their buddies how they hate it. But the reality is they really don't. But what guy is going to say to his buddies. I only get laid 2 times a month and I'm totally happy. It just doesn't sound MANLY. So he'll complain "Damn she only gives it to me twice a month". When in reality, he is satisfied and doesn't really care.

It just happens and thats just the way it is.

[DJ FourMoney]

How many of these traits should an AW have. Because I don't think I've met a women that ever had ALL.

Or are you saying a women that has any of these traits are AW and therefore not worth a mans effort.

Man I had you on ignore for a reason but I'll bite....

Which women do you know that don't at least agree with 10-15 of those traits including the "Young, Hung and Rich" part?

[Opebo]

Things are looking up in the USA with new people in power in Washington.

The same people are in power in the Bad Place, I can assure you.

[DJ FourMoney]

i’m sorry to burst your bubble but foxy knoxy was convicted by a jury of her peers (people of european ancestry). the fact that she falsely accused a black man of the crime follows a historical pattern of behavior common to white female american criminals. for example, susan smith did it when she drowned her sons in 1994; bonnie sweeten claimed she and her daughter were abducted by black men in a cadillac after embezzling money and fleeing to disney; ashley todd claimed that a 6-foot-4 black man carved a b into her cheek and robbed her because she had a mccain bumper sticker; fannie taylor claimed that she was assaulted by a black man after being beaten by her white lover while her husband was at work, sparking the lynching of blacks in the rosewood massacre.

patrick lumumba was imprisoned after amanda knox falsely implicated him in the murder. the courts awarded him $12,000 for false imprisonment and ordered knox to pay him $60,000 in damages. i guess she lied on him because she was innocent?

dna from knox was all over the apartment mixed with the victim’s blood. her dna was also on the murder weapon which had the victim’s dna. it should also be noted that there was evidence of an attempt to clean up the crime scene using bleach.

in this thread we discuss american women and their behavior. therefore pointing out amanda knox as a cold calculating american murderess is entirely relevant, and i might even say necessary, in the examination of this subject.

please extricate your balls from the purse where it is currently detained and reclaim some of your dignity as a man. american women apologists, like you, are a large part of the reason why american men are forced to practice sexual colonialism in foreign nations.

cm thank you for pointing that out. nyc is an apolgists for aw and that's a shame.

white women throughout history as you pointed out use black men as lambs to be slaughtered because there's no way a white women could do some of these horrific crimes, especially against children but oh can they.

andrea yates didn't blame a black man but she's a crazy white ***** that's for sure.

banita jacks killed her daughters but that's largely to be blame on blacks kooky connection with the black church (which acts like gays and aids don't exist), which i totally disapprove of.

let's not forget the runaway bride jennifer wilbanks that claimed she was raped by a latino and his white gf, a complete fabrication. that a-hole still wanted to marry her, what is with some of this american male apologist?

and if that wasn't enough - "october 10, 2006 — wilbanks filed a lawsuit against her ex-fiancé for $500,000, claiming it is her share of a home the ex-fiancé purchased with the proceeds to a book deal he negotiated for them when she was medicated, plus punitive damages"

[DJ FourMoney]

The same people are in power in the Bad Place, I can assure you.

Yeah he's not paying attention is he?

They need more people like him, looking at the shiny object in one hand and ignoring the horror in the other.

[Meat Loaf]

Some of the posts on this thread got me thinking of a girl I once lived with. The relationship started out great. She was very pretty and a lot of fun to be with. The sex was great. I loved her sweet little pussy and she had lots of orgasms. So after a few months, I asked her to move in.

That's when the relationship started going downhill. Not satisfied with living together with a man that really dug her, she started fixating on marriage. Why wouldn't I marry her was a common refrain. Then the sex started happening less often. It was like she put us on a time schedule; 3 times a week, no more, no less. I asked her if anything was wrong. She said no. I asked her if the sex was still good or if there was something more she wanted me to do. She said everything was fine.

I remember one conversation where she offhandedly told me that her mother had once counseled her to never deny her husband (man) a sexual request. Her tone was one of derision. Like the poor old ditty, what a fool. Of course you deny your man sex, that's how you control him. And all men need to be trained and controlled! Well, I soured on the relationship pretty quickly after that. I started to resent her manipulations. I hated always asking for sex and being turned down half the time. I stopped initiating sex with her. And when she initiated it, I didn't feel the old spark.

She continued to fixate on marriage not realizing anything was wrong. But one day I sat her down and broke up with her. I don't think she ever saw the end coming. She never realized what a turn off the control thing was.

Oh well, that's life in sexual prison. Today I am having the best sex in my life with young hotties from Thailand, Cambodia, Costa Rica, and yes occasionally the USA. She on the other hand is overweight, unhappily married to a wus, and has two kids.

I think of that Bob Marley song, "Duppy Conqueror: "The bars could not hold me, force could not control me. They tried to keep me down. But for J'ah I around."

I'm amazed that you lasted that long. When the female denies p*ssy, a blowjob, or tres platos I kick her a*s out. And bring in a new one or increase those in the bullpen.

By the way, she won by getting the "wus" on the 18 - 25 year plan at 20% with divorce settlement and possibly alimony. She won: The guy never mattered anyway. He's just a number- a dollar number.

[Dickhead]

Before I got married my wife to be and I sat down and discussed a few things. She asked, "What if some time I want to take a separate vacation?" and I said that would be fine for a week or so. She asked, "What if I want to be gone for two weeks?" and I said, "If you do that I will go to a hooker." We only lasted five years but it never came up. But I would have. I'm a man of my word. She never cut off the sex, though. That was the least of our problems. We kept fucking after we got divorced, for a while, before it got too weird.

But I had this friend, Mike, a good guy but not too much experience with women. He had this complete ***** of a long-time girlfriend, not even good looking, and after they bought a house together she cut him off completely and obviously had another boy friend but Mike was too dumb to realize this. Anyway, I got sick of hearing him whine about no pussy. I told him, "If that ever happened to me I would lie next to her, beat off, and wipe it on her."

He did this, and she moved out. He said to me, "Well, that didn't work" and I said, "I disagree." He proceeded to stalk her, quit his job, got arrested for climbing over her fence to play with the ex-dog, the whole nine yards. Finally I hooked him up a friend of mine who was extremely sexually aggressive. She screwed him properly and after six months or so of this he was well on his way to recovery when he drowned while bank fishing. Who drowns while bank fishing?

But at least he got some good pussy before he died and he died doing something he loved. Jesus that first ***** made him miserable. I used to think she was the worst ***** I ever met until I met my best friend from college's second wife. Even bitchier and even uglier and cut him off even faster. I brought him down here to Buenos Aires and got his lights fucked out and he has filed for divorce.

Score: Dickhead 2, Kunts 0.

[Member #4698]

I'm amazed that you lasted that long. When the female denies p*ssy, a blowjob, or tres platos I kick her a*s out. And bring in a new one or increase those in the bullpen.

By the way, she won by getting the "wus" on the 18. 25 year plan at 20% with divorce settlement and possibly alimony. She won: The guy never mattered anyway. He's just a number- a dollar number.ML, you are right on both counts. I did put up with a lot of shit. I was young and did not know a lot about women back then. But that's how you learn. Today I would never stand for that BS.

And yes I was just a substitute and so was every man in her life. But did she win? Yes and no. She settled for a meager middle class existence with a picket fence. She did not get me! I don't call that a victory.

Oh yeah, she called me up a couple of weeks before her marriage and wanted to see me. I let her come over. We had dull unremarkable sex, but I was extremely grateful to her for giving me the opportunity to cuckold her fiancé and future father of her two children.

[Chocha Monger]

Many mongers are ambivalent about getting a vasectomy, or what we commonly refer to as getting your nuts snipped. I thought it would be interesting to see what the financial cost of not having your nuts snipped would be, or the return on the investment in having your nuts snipped. If you paid $1,200 for a vasectomy it would prevent you from having the US average of 2.08 children. This translates into a cost savings of $577,000 without college. If you included the cost of college the savings would be $945,000. Therefore the return on investment for $1,200 spent snipping your nuts would be 48,177% without college and 78,762%. This far out performs any 401K or other retirement plan.

This calculation does not take into account your person time invested in raising the children. You will have to spend some time with the children unless you want to unless more delinquents upon the world like the Columbine gunmen. It also does not consider the environmental cost savings to planet in the form of avoided pressure on natural resources and reduced pollution.

Children also take an emotional toll on you especially after going through the public school system. After the social services representative gets done brainwashing them at school you will find that you have very little authority to these parasitic entities living in your domicile. Once they enter puberty you will have things like teen pregnancy and drug use to worry about. As if this isn’t enough, you must maintain some kind of contact with the mother(s) of the children even if your relationship turns sour.

Then there is the question of what kind of life that those children can expect. The US has a practice of running record deficits and leaving it to future generations to pay. Your children may be so heavily taxed that they’re little more than indentured servants of the state. Terrorists have succeeded in making privacy and freedom of movement quickly vanishing concepts. Anal probing may become routine security procedure before being allowed to get on a plane or train. We also know that fossil fuels are being rapidly depleted and there will not be enough to go around in the future for any children born today. These are all things to be considered in your decision on whether or not to get your nuts snipped.

"For behold, the days are coming when they will say, 'Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bore, and the breasts that never nursed.'

[Dickhead]

If you paid $1,200 for a vasectomy it would prevent you from having the US average of 2.08 children. This translates into a cost savings of $577,000 without college.

Unless, of course, you are married and your wife fucks around on you and gets knocked up. Legally that kid is your problem. So to be even more sure, have a vasectomy and don't get married.

Let's see now. If a vasectomy now costs $1,200 and mine cost $175 (my soon-to-be wife paid half of that though) in 1981 then the inflation rate for those 18 years is 11.3% annually. Fuck.

But hey all you kiddies out there, you don't have to wait until puberty to do drugs. I didn't! Drug rehab is very expensive, by the way, and the first time often doesn't work.

Anyway I have always said that was the best $87.50 I ever spent.

[Capt Ajax]

Dickhead you are one funny dude. Maybe you can send over a couple of your randy GF's to lite a fire under my left nut sack.


Before I got married my wife to be and I sat down and discussed a few things. She asked, "What if some time I want to take a separate vacation?" and I said that would be fine for a week or so. She asked, "What if I want to be gone for two weeks?" and I said, "If you do that I will go to a hooker." We only lasted five years but it never came up. But I would have. I'm a man of my word. She never cut off the sex, though. That was the least of our problems. We kept fucking after we got divorced, for a while, before it got too weird.

But I had this friend, Mike, a good guy but not too much experience with women. He had this complete ***** of a long-time girlfriend, not even good looking, and after they bought a house together she cut him off completely and obviously had another boy friend but Mike was too dumb to realize this. Anyway, I got sick of hearing him whine about no pussy. I told him, "If that ever happened to me I would lie next to her, beat off, and wipe it on her."

He did this, and she moved out. He said to me, "Well, that didn't work" and I said, "I disagree." He proceeded to stalk her, quit his job, got arrested for climbing over her fence to play with the ex-dog, the whole nine yards. Finally I hooked him up a friend of mine who was extremely sexually aggressive. She screwed him properly and after six months or so of this he was well on his way to recovery when he drowned while bank fishing. Who drowns while bank fishing?

But at least he got some good pussy before he died and he died doing something he loved. Jesus that first ***** made him miserable. I used to think she was the worst ***** I ever met until I met my best friend from college's second wife. Even bitchier and even uglier and cut him off even faster. I brought him down here to Buenos Aires and got his lights fucked out and he has filed for divorce.

Score: Dickhead 2, Kunts 0.

[ThatGuy865]

man i had you on ignore for a reason but i'll bite.

which women do you know that don't at least agree with 10-15 of those traits including the "young, hung and rich" part?ok well i said i haven't seen a women who displayed all of those traits. first of all.

but let me tell you how i see it as far as each of the traits.


1. she believes that men should pay for her meals, drinks and entertainment on social outings.this is what society taught men and women both, its not a women thing but a cultural thing. so blame society not women. but now a days there are plenty of women who will buy a guy drinks, pay for the meal, and alternate with their mate on entertainment.


2. she believes that she can do anything that a man can do but she still expects men to come to her aid and assist her because of her gender.i believe when women talk about being able to do anything a man can do. most are talking about mentally. i don't believe there are many women who think they can match men physically, and those who do, would not be looking for a man to her aid because of her gender. maybe because of loyalty,

no difference than a man getting beat down by another guy and a guy friend was with him who was stronger. he'd expect his friend to come to his aid.


3. she believes that female sexual access is worth more than male sexual access therefore men must provide her with something other than sexual satisfaction to receive her sexual favors.well this is nature, men would love it if women thought and acted like men. but women the world over act towards sex differently than men. its not an aw thing. just as in the pi. a virgin p4p can cost as much as 100 times more than a regular girl and the sex would probably be worst. but supposely fresh. so again while an aw might have this trait its universal.


4. she uses her sexuality to obtain things from men in whom she has no genuine sexual interest. she may flirt for drinks in a bar then refuse to give her phone number to the man who buys her drinks or give him a wrong number.

this is again is women everywhere. beautiful women the world over don't pay for drinks and use men to get what they want by flirting.


5. she likes to believe that she is independent but will seek peer approval from girlfriends in the club before deciding to fuck a particular man.no different than a guy, mostly it has to do with maturity and not the gender. how many guys may be attracted to a particular girl but if he's out with his buddies and they say she's a dog. how many guys will still walk over to get that number. the number that will increase as he gets older and matures. just like with women.


6. she thinks that a husband is really a slave who works and pays for all of her expenses including offspring. she does not believe that he has rights to the house and car he bought, or the offspring he sired and supports.i'd say quite the opposite is true too, men think women should be their slaves and should work, cook, clean, keep the same body as when they married and have sex upon demand. and if alot of guys had their way. if she didn't maintain this. she should leave with the clothes, she came with and thats it. i'd say its about a 50/50 tie on this one at least.


7. she believes that anything she does within the marriage is actually a favor and not an obligation to her husband.

refer to #6 same concept.


8. she believes that if she divorces her husband he should get nothing and she should get everything. this includes custody of the children and family pets, child support and generous vaginamony.she wants half of what was earned while the two were together. now this one can go either way, i do believe some take advantage of this point. like should elin get half of tigers earnings, no but he does owe her some. but half isn't right.


9. she lets herself go immediately after marriage, gains weight and neglects her personal appearance.this can go for the guy as well as the woman.


10. after giving birth to a predetermined number of offspring she cuts off the sex.i have heard where men have done the same, after they have gotten to a certain age. tv is his biggest concern.


11. she sees domestic violence laws as a way to gain advantage in divorce and child custody battles rather than laws to protect family members from abusing each other. some


12. she expects men to approach her but she activates the ***** shield on all but the obviously rich. yet she will [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and moan about not being able to find a "good man. "again the same can be said about men.


13. she wants her men to be handsome, well hung and wealthy but if a man rejects her for being fat or homely she thinks he is shallow.again the same can be said about men. only exchange shallow with *****.


14. she has a list of special calendar dates on which she expects expensive gifts and pampering from the unlucky man in her life. if he forgets there will be hell to pay.no comment

15. she considers any foreign woman marrying an american man to be gold digger and visa hunter.


16. she considers american men who marry foreign women losers.

this is a societal thing not a woman thing, because a lot of men believe that about men who marry foreign wives also.


17. she only dates men her own age or within a 3 year difference. when she reaches her fifties she calls herself an urban cougar, and dates men young enough to be her son even though during her youth she called men who did the same "dirty old men, creeps or perverts. "when you were in your 20's if another girl in her 20's were dating a man in his 50's. she would be called a gold digger. so it goes both ways.


18. she thinks it's her job to teach foreign women the way things are when it comes to treating men in spite of her long record of being dumped multiple times and a few divorces.now this is a valid complaint if she interferes in the relationship. but again i think they tend to tell foreign women their rights as a women living in america.


19. world events are not her strong point. beyond the borders of english-speaking north america the world is a dangerous and poverty stricken shit hole.

world events are not a strong point with most americans, men or women.


20. she believes that women can physically assault men without legal consequences and they should not retaliateyes this is a legitimate complaint and more men should press charges when hit, but they don't because most feel like they will appear like a whimp, calling the police for battery from a woman, especially when most of the time she is much smaller than him.

what say you?

tg.

[Vaquero]

As much as women these days feel they deserve to make as much as and get promoted over men, they also still expect men to bear most of the financial responsibility of dating.

And when they assume supervisory positions in offices, women expect the world to cater to their schedules and those of their children. Single men, meanwhile, are expected to sacrifice for the good of the office.

I was telling a friend today how women in their late 30s seem unable to date unless they have a deeper relationship agenda in mind. The only way women can sport fuck is if they drink a lot so that they have an excuse for enjoying casual sex. Otherwise, maybe they feel like sluts.

Meanwhile, I'd be totally content to meet a girl over a cup of coffee and fuck her in the parking lot.

[Dickhead]

American women think you "shouldn't" have sex with a man until you know him really well. Latina women think you can't know a man very well at all, until you have sex with him. I don't profess to know who's right but I know which works out better for me!

[ThatGuy865]

I was telling a friend today how women in their late 30s seem unable to date unless they have a deeper relationship agenda in mind. The only way women can sport fuck is if they drink a lot so that they have an excuse for enjoying casual sex. Otherwise, maybe they feel like sluts.

Meanwhile, I'd be totally content to meet a girl over a cup of coffee and fuck her in the parking lot.Well thats exactly what makes women different than men. Its nature. And nothing you can do about it.

See you summed it up in your own last line. "Maybe they feel like sluts". Well no guy wants to marry the girl who has fucked the whole neighborhood. So if she ever wanted to get married. "Having sex like a man is the worst thing a women could do". How many guys would marry the women who fucked everyone they know.

[Chocha Monger]

Unless, of course, you are married and your wife fucks around on you and gets knocked up. Legally that kid is your problem. So to be even more sure, have a vasectomy and don't get married.

Let's see now. If a vasectomy now costs $1,200 and mine cost $175 (my soon-to-be wife paid half of that though) in 1981 then the inflation rate for those 18 years is 11.3% annually. Fuck.

But hey all you kiddies out there, you don't have to wait until puberty to do drugs. I didn't! Drug rehab is very expensive, by the way, and the first time often doesn't work.

Anyway I have always said that was the best $87.50 I ever spent.
I bet old Charlie Sheen is wishing he didn't marry and had snipped his nuts. His wife made allegations that he went ape shit after she threatened to divorce him and take away the kids. Now he is looking at a possible 8 years of man love but being a celebrity it will probably be more like 8 days.

[Meat Loaf]

Well thats exactly what makes women different than men. Its nature. And nothing you can do about it.

See you summed it up in your own last line. "Maybe they feel like sluts". Well no guy wants to marry the girl who has fucked the whole neighborhood. So if she ever wanted to get married. "Having sex like a man is the worst thing a women could do". How many guys would marry the women who fucked everyone they know.

If you don't live in a small town, you won't know who she f*cks anyway. Live in metropolis.

I don't care if she f*cked everybody else. So what: Who's fucking her now? Me.

It's all about p*ssy access. Guys are making monthly payments for no p*ssy access.

[Dickhead]

See, and Charlie knows better because he has mongering experience. Old Mr. "I don't pay them for sex; I pay so they leave right after sex" should have stuck with that. However the woman was drunk off her ass (I listened to the 911 tape) and is now backpedaling pretty fast.

Another guy who has some dumb drunk ***** fucking up his life is Jim Leyritz. Both those guys are assholes though. Leyritz is way stupid. Divorce your wife and keep living in the same house with her? What, have you been eating fucking glue or something?

[Capt Ajax]

For those young people thinking about marrying an AW, always remember to do this:

Take a rather large jar, every time you have sex with your potential wife BEFORE you get married, put one penny into it. Once, you get married go to the jar and take one of the pennies out, every time you have sex. You will NEVER be able to empty the jar once you get married because your wife will suddenly have excuses not to have sex, which never surfaced before you were married. Bank on it.........

[Dickhead]

I would say to do that with $50 bills because you are not going to be able to get the hookers you will need with the pennies left in the jar. My wife and I had a system where every time I fucked her, I put $5 in the drawer for our next vacation. At the end of the year the drawer was filled with $20 and $50 and $100 bills.

My wife said, "Hey, everyone's not as cheap as you are. Now do you want to go to Monte Carlo or not?"

[Latin Bound]

This used to be a nice forum to get updated information. Ever since "that guy" (or should I say "that girl trolling as a guy, " or if that is not the case then it should be "that guy made ball less / spineless by american feminism, " or "brainless guy that has bought into all the american feminism bullshit, " came about, this has gone to the dogs. If you feel so comfortable with this american women b. S. Why you don't join the singles and divorced forum at yahoo answers. You will get your fill of what american women are all about. You will fit right in.

[DJ FourMoney]

If you don't live in a small town, you won't know who she f*cks anyway. Live in metropolis.

I don't care if she f*cked everybody else. So what: Who's fucking her now? Me.

It's all about p*ssy access. Guys are making monthly payments for no p*ssy access.

That's what I always say. This is more of social problem, I will agree with TG on that. Women feel if they are known as a **** it will put them at an disadvantage in dating circles. But then again, look at all the men that complain about how many partners a woman has had before they hooked up.

Not sure how you can change this, I think frankly its only a problem in North America, maybe Britain.

All the more reason to remove yourself from North America when dating. I would never ask a woman how many men she's been with, its none of my business really. If she has enough self-esteem to keep herself health, then what in the hell are you worried about?

TG I agree on with most of what you had to say and I have often said its a two way street. The problem is, age and weight have more advantages to men than women. So honestly in our culture Women are forced to be thinner in general and look younger. Men as a whole we don't like ugly fat women...

Again that's a cultural problem and if women want us to keep paying for dinner, shows, ball games and drinks, stop giving out fake numbers, be honest if your not interested in us sexually, etc, etc.

We have a general problem of telling the truth in this country and it extends from The White House to Main Street, so until honest returns, things will be screwed up.

[Capt Ajax]

If you don't live in a small town, you won't know who she f*cks anyway. Live in metropolis.

I don't care if she f*cked everybody else. So what: Who's fucking her now? Me.

It's all about p*ssy access. Guys are making monthly payments for no p*ssy access.

Women use sex and their sexuality as a tool to get what they want from puberty onwards. Maybe not all women to the same degree, but hips, lips and tits get most women what they want in more ways than you can name, in addition to the other areas you mentioned such as financial support and security.

Women tend to downplay this phenomenon because it seems so normal to them that men would want to do things for them. But that's only because it's so pervasive it doesn't seem unusual- just like a fish is the last to realize it lives in the ocean.

All males do things for women because of the possibility of sex, no matter how remote. We're just wired to try to win favor of females and the only way we've come up with is to either buy things for them or do things for them. Again, this is so pervasive that women think it's no big deal. But when was the last time a woman pulled over to help you change a flat tire, or when you were a student, how many of them did your homework for you or volunteered to wax your car etc. It just doesn't happen that way.

But I've known some awfully surprised and angry (single) middle-aged women that got very down on men when they woke up one day and found that all those men were now doing things for other women- the younger, prettier women they used to be. They were bitter because they felt their power over men slipping away.

As I've written before, the source of female power is sexual, and the source of male power is financial. And just like women can lose their looks/power, any man who's been unemployed or broke can tell you how impossible it is to get a date under those circumstances. No matter how good a person you are otherwise, from a female's POV you fail the main test of desirability for a male.

So women have always used the promise of sex to close the deal and get the ring. After that, all bets are off.

Just remember the first rule that any course in negotiating tactics teaches you- the party that cares the least about the outcome has the upper hand in the negotiation. The man really want sex, the woman is indifferent. Who do you think is in the power position?

I believe I've just formulated the proof for the longevity of the world's oldest profession.

[Dickhead]

"Paying for no pussy access" leads to an interesting mathematical conundrum. First you have to consider that V = Q / P or value equals quality divided by price. Although this equation cannot be objectively solved since quality is subjective, we still perform this math intuitively any time we spend any significant amount of money. So the term "paying" should imply value received. However, paying $X to receive zero pussy leads to another problematic series of equations:

$X paid for pussy / #of pussy access = cost per pussy, which becomes the P in the previous equation. Then if Q is a lognormally distributed coefficient of the quality of the pussy, centered on 1.0 and ranging from zero to infinity, relative value could be determined and a sensible decision could be made (if not completely hammered or crazed with lust).

But, not if #of pussy access = zero because you can't divide by zero. A mathematician might claim "the answer is undefined." But when it comes to pussy, the answer is not undefined! If you are paying $X and receiving nothing, you are an idiot and that is the answer. You are a cornudo pulling caballo and the world is laughing at you.

[Dickhead]

Women use sex and their sexuality as a tool to get what they want from puberty onwards.

And they start using their gender way before that!


the source of female power is sexual, and the source of male power is financial.

Hence you have the concept of "incompatibility." This can occur one of two ways: the man loses his income, or the woman loses her patability.

[DJ FourMoney]

This used to be a nice forum to get updated information. Ever since "that guy" (or should I say "that girl trolling as a guy, " or if that is not the case then it should be "that guy made ball less / spineless by american feminism, " or "brainless guy that has bought into all the american feminism bullshit, " came about, this has gone to the dogs. If you feel so comfortable with this american women b. S. Why you don't join the singles and divorced forum at yahoo answers. You will get your fill of what american women are all about. You will fit right in.

I agree with you, I agree with some of what he said, its the truth, its a two way street.

However AW have tilted the game towards themselves. For every working poor chick that gets beaten down by her Wal-Mart employee boyfriend, there's some tramp married to somebody like Carl Rove and will get paid off. So there's a ying and a yang, but for men, there is no ying and yang. Most men aren't dating, aren't fucking and aren't successful with women in general. A small group are very successful, turning the tide in their direction getting 100% of what they want. The rest of us, have varied amounts of success but the failures greatly outnumbers those.

Men outnumber Women on dating sites I think 4-1, when women outnumber men in America, how is that even possible???

For most men their should be "plenty to choose from", but the reality is their market is fairly narrow and not by choice either. You date based on your social and economic positions in life. Only in America...

But as I have said before, this dynamic is changed overseas. Most women don't ask where I work, its just not important, most of the time they aren't working better jobs anyway. You know how many women I know that -

1) Works at a Convenience Store, Referees' Girl Bastkball Games and works at Gas Station at night

2) Works in the Liaison offices for the US Air Force

3) 6th Grade Teacher

4) Sold Home Furnishings (think Pottery Barn)

5) Old Folks Home Nurse

6) Works for the local government in Berlin


Funny enough only girl #1 doesn't have children and is the youngest (28)

The Teacher and the Lawyer have more than 2 kids

Want more examples?

7) Czech Girl works as an amateur photographer and Samsung during the day (childless, 25)

8) Siberian works as a 4th grade teacher (should have met up with her in Turkey, dayum it!) (childless, 27)

9) Romanian Blond works as a 3rd grade teacher (Mother of 1, 29)

10) British women works on the pier in Blackpool (Mother of 2, 31)

Most of you guys I assume meet women in a Corporate environment, I will never met those women, its just not where I socialize and meet women in that economic strata.

The childless women, even a few of the single mothers are better looking than all but TWO AW I have dated in my entire life. I have missed some opportunities to be sure but I just don't see where I can find a middle ground in America, I HAVE to look elsewhere.

[Dickhead]

How many of those ten women you listed did you fuck?

[Vaquero]

well, not if they've done their kegels.

actually, the best sex i've had has been with women who liked to fuck a lot and weren't ashamed of it.

but there can be problems. some women with hearty sexual appetites were molested as children or raped as teens. often, they're all about demonstrating how well they can control men with their pussies instead of being controlled themselves. or, which may be worse, women who were exceptionally attractive in their youth may make the mistake of failing to develop other aspects of themselves.

by that, i'm thinking of a damn good looking woman i met when she was working as a waitress. she was a sharp girl but never applied herself because men catered to her every need to bang her. now that she's in her late 30s and a single momma again, she's realizing that women younger than her are getting all the attention at the bars.

and when they see that their most powerful too, their sexuality, is beginning to fade in its power, some women go crazy like flies caught in the screen door.

here's one difference between men and women: there's a new custodian at my office. he's a texan, about 22, with movie star looks. i think he got in a car wreck and damaged his noggin, so he's a little slow now.

anyway, i was thinking, "wow, why don't the single mommas in my office ask him out?" well, that's not their way of thinking, because they're looking for cock and a bankroll, or at least the appearance of one.

me personally, i would have no problem dating a good-looking retarded woman with big knockers. i'd totally treat her with respect. chances are she wouldn't worry so much money, and instead of hitting the wine bars, she'd be totally content making grilled cheese sandwiches and shooting off bottle rockets. take her to the bahamas, and she won't quit smiling.

bottom line is that women get turned off when they interpret our desire for sex as lust. and we feel the same way when we see their desire for financial security as greed. each regards the other's appetite as suspect.

[ThatGuy865]

This used to be a nice forum to get updated information. Ever since "that guy" (or should I say "that girl trolling as a guy, " or if that is not the case then it should be "that guy made ball less / spineless by american feminism, " or "brainless guy that has bought into all the american feminism bullshit, " came about, this has gone to the dogs. If you feel so comfortable with this american women b. S. Why you don't join the singles and divorced forum at yahoo answers. You will get your fill of what american women are all about. You will fit right in.So Latin bound,

I guess what you are saying is, if someone has a different view than you they have to be ball less.

I thought this was an OPINION forum about AW. I suggest you start a "For those who HATE AW thread". I will gladly stay out of it.

As my main man DJ FourMoney says


Most men aren't dating, aren't fucking and aren't successful with women in general. A small group are very successful, turning the tide in their direction getting 100% of what they want.Did you ever think that I find fall into that small group DJ talked about who hasn't had those life time of awful encounters with AW that some of you have.

Maybe during HS years when a lot of guys were hanging with the guys playing basketball, or just hanging out, doing whatever. My friends and I were chasing girls. All day and all night. So as a youth I learned striking out is just part of the game. But as long as you keep trying you'll be successful.

Babe Ruth was known his home run record, but for decades he also held the record for strikeouts. But all that counted was his Home runs.

So when a lot of guys got rejected as an adult, and built up resentment from the rejection, I learned as a youth how to spot the potential "yes" women from the "No" women, therefore reducing the rejection factor. No one can be 100% all the time. But how you handle it makes a difference also. Plenty of women who at first said "No" later reverse their tune and said "Yes".

Yeah AW might take more finess to conquer. But the rewards are just as good as with any other nationality.

If there was a difference than wealthy AM who could afford to date women from any part of the world, would be marrying foreigners.

If as you say their Attitudes were so much better. Please enlighten me.

[Warbucks]

http://www.newsherald.com/news/year-80211-old-punched.html

Dec 30 - Bad sex leads punch in the nose

PANAMA CITY - A 23-year-old man was punched in the face by his 18-year-old girlfriend moments after they finished having “weird” sex according to a report from the Bay County Sheriff’s Office.

The man told deputies that the couple had just finished when his girlfriend told him “she wouldn’t be having sex with him again.” She also told him to leave. He said he asked her why and she flipped out and threw a phone at him as he was leaving. When he turned around and started to walk back inside the home to get his DVDs, she bloodied his nose with a punch in the face.

The woman told deputies that she was upset with the man because he acted “weird” when they were having sex. When the deputies pressed for an explanation, she told them he called her names and pulled her hair. She added that when she told him that was it and they weren’t having sex again that he pushed her and tried to pour a beer on her. To defend herself she slapped him in the face, she said.

The man eventually told deputies that he did not want to press charges and the case was closed.

[Chocha Monger]

Despite all of the vaginal monologues we know that American women have a long history of reaping the fruits of wealth that they did not cultivate. The fact that some guys succeed in having sex with them does not negate this fact. Neither does it refute the data showing that women overwhelming marry for upward financial mobility. Having sex with American women is not difficult at all. Since they are resource driven gaining sexual access can be achieved by displaying wealth or the illusion of wealth if actual wealth does not exist. Where the problem arises is when actual assets are present and vulnerable to claims by American women through marriage or child bearing.

The only American guys who have problems getting access to American pussy are nice guys. Pimps make a lucrative living in the United States. Women love money like they love nothing else. Yet, pimps manage to make women go out on the track, put the pussy up for sale and turn the trap money over to the pimps. How do they do it? What lies between the diametric opposites of tricking and pimping? To a trick a pussy is like a parking meter. To a pimp a pussy is like an ATM. Women drop money like it’s hot, and a pimp picks it up like it’s not.

When most guys approach American women they do so with the attitude that their cocks are worthless and the pussy is made of gold and encrusted with precious gems. They start out from a position of weakness.

Just remember the first rule that any course in negotiating tactics teaches you- the party that cares the least about the outcome has the upper hand in the negotiation. The man really want sex, the woman is indifferent. Who do you think is in the power position?
If you’re giving your cock away for free and you’re treating her pussy as something of immense value the game will be over before you even start. People simply do not value anything that can be obtained for free. There is no perceived value for free readily available things. So if a woman can try you why would she buy you? Old notions of chivalry and traditional dating etiquette are screwing you out of pussy. You’re approaching women as a supplicant when you pay for her drinks, meals and entertainment before she puts out. Don’t do it. If she complains then ask her if she thinks that men and women should be equal. If she says yes, then she should be picking up her share of the check at least. A woman who doesn’t want to do this came to enjoy a free meal and not your company. If she doesn’t think that men and women should be equal then ask her to clarify. In the event that she reveals herself as an undercover Femi Nazi dump her on the spot. Otherwise take her to the nearest hotel and screw the shit out of her. Use a condom and don’t dump raw in her guts. The best gift to give to yourself in 2010 might just be a vasectomy.

Remember that dating and screwing American women is a legal minefield. Playing the field is only slightly safer than marriage. Some states anticipated that some men would seek to circumvent divorce laws that favor women so they have common law marriage statues that go into effect after brief periods of cohabitation. Girlfriends can still make bogus domestic violence allegations. One night stands can claim that consent was withdrawn or never granted. If your equipment is still intact unwanted pregnancy followed by child support and visitations issues can arise. It is up to each man to decide if he wants to open himself up to these liabilities.

If you choose to screw American women remember that mongering is your trump card. You should always approach them not caring about the outcome because you always have recourse. Women have all the pussy but pussy is not legal tender. They need to sell the pussy for hard currency and that is where you come in. Approach the pussy transaction dispassionately.

Enter 2010 with a new attitude. Monger hard and beat out that pussy like it owes you money!

[ThatGuy865]

Despite all of the vaginal monologues we know that American women have a long history of reaping the fruits of wealth that they did not cultivate. The fact that some guys succeed in having sex with them does not negate this fact. Neither does it refute the data showing that women overwhelming marry for upward financial mobility. Having sex with American women is not difficult at all. Since they are resource driven gaining sexual access can be achieved by displaying wealth or the illusion of wealth if actual wealth does not exist. Where the problem arises is when actual assets are present and vulnerable to claims by American women through marriage or child bearing.

The only American guys who have problems getting access to American pussy are nice guys. Pimps make a lucrative living in the United States. Women love money like they love nothing else. Yet, pimps manage to make women go out on the track, put the pussy up for sale and turn the trap money over to the pimps. How do they do it? What lies between the diametric opposites of tricking and pimping? To a trick a pussy is like a parking meter. To a pimp a pussy is like an ATM. Women drop money like it’s hot, and a pimp picks it up like it’s not.

When most guys approach American women they do so with the attitude that their cocks are worthless and the pussy is made of gold and encrusted with precious gems. They start out from a position of weakness.

If you’re giving your cock away for free and you’re treating her pussy as something of immense value the game will be over before you even start. People simply do not value anything that can be obtained for free. There is no perceived value for free readily available things. So if a woman can try you why would she buy you? Old notions of chivalry and traditional dating etiquette are screwing you out of pussy. You’re approaching women as a supplicant when you pay for her drinks, meals and entertainment before she puts out. Don’t do it. If she complains then ask her if she thinks that men and women should be equal. If she says yes, then she should be picking up her share of the check at least. A woman who doesn’t want to do this came to enjoy a free meal and not your company. If she doesn’t think that men and women should be equal then ask her to clarify. In the event that she reveals herself as an undercover Femi Nazi dump her on the spot. Otherwise take her to the nearest hotel and screw the shit out of her. Use a condom and don’t dump raw in her guts. The best gift to give to yourself in 2010 might just be a vasectomy.

Remember that dating and screwing American women is a legal minefield. Playing the field is only slightly safer than marriage. Some states anticipated that some men would seek to circumvent divorce laws that favor women so they have common law marriage statues that go into effect after brief periods of cohabitation. Girlfriends can still make bogus domestic violence allegations. One night stands can claim that consent was withdrawn or never granted. If your equipment is still intact unwanted pregnancy followed by child support and visitations issues can arise. It is up to each man to decide if he wants to open himself up to these liabilities.

If you choose to screw American women remember that mongering is your trump card. You should always approach them not caring about the outcome because you always have recourse. Women have all the pussy but pussy is not legal tender. They need to sell the pussy for hard currency and that is where you come in. Approach the pussy transaction dispassionately.

Enter 2010 with a new attitude. Monger hard and beat out that pussy like it owes you money!Well said Chocha. 2010. Its all about "Beatin Knees and skull fucking".

Have a Happy New years all

[Pete Benetar]

In order to qualify for a common law marriage, you and your partner, in general, must agree either in writing or orally to enter into a husband/wife relationship, hold yourselves out as husband and wife and acquire a reputation as a married couple.

With that in mind, cohabitating is not a legal threat, unless you really do portray yourself in some very public or concrete way as married. Not all states recognize common law, but a few that do include District of Columbia, Alabama, Colorado, Iowa, Kansas, Montana, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Texas and Utah.

With child support issues, yeah, if you don't want to have kids than get a vasectomy. But supporting your kids is a moral issue that should be obligatory despite how fascist some of the more liberal feminazi state governments have become.

As for all the banter on this thread about AW, I don't get it. Expat to the PI if it is such a big deal or import a highly domesticated 3rd worlder from somewhere as your bride. If money is such a big deal, a bottle of Juergen's and a few free video clips from any porn site can go a long ways. That way you can save a few bucks for some pussy that is really worth it. In the meantime, have a good sense of humor and humility, take as many swings as you can and sometimes you get lucky. The greater the number of shots you take, the more likely you are to score.

I have a third worlder keeping my house in CONUS and periodic extracurriculars e. G. Manila for the occasional smorgasbord.

[DJ FourMoney]

How many of those ten women you listed did you fuck?

(3) I haven't met in person yet (been talking for years off and on)

(1) One dissed me in Olso, Norway (I picked the wrong girl to see first, been over that before)

(1) Is the pissed off German that works for the Armed Forces, was mad because I didn't see her first

That's 5 huh? The Hungarian chick I banged a few times, then she dropped me like a bad habit, been over that one too.

The others I'm still talking too mostly, I'll be returning to Europe in 2011, spending all of 2010 saving money and going to school.

[DJ FourMoney]

Despite all of the vaginal monologues we know that American women have a long history of reaping the fruits of wealth that they did not cultivate. The fact that some guys succeed in having sex with them does not negate this fact. Neither does it refute the data showing that women overwhelming marry for upward financial mobility. Having sex with American women is not difficult at all. Since they are resource driven gaining sexual access can be achieved by displaying wealth or the illusion of wealth if actual wealth does not exist. Where the problem arises is when actual assets are present and vulnerable to claims by American women through marriage or child bearing.

The only American guys who have problems getting access to American pussy are nice guys. Pimps make a lucrative living in the United States. Women love money like they love nothing else. Yet, pimps manage to make women go out on the track, put the pussy up for sale and turn the trap money over to the pimps. How do they do it? What lies between the diametric opposites of tricking and pimping? To a trick a pussy is like a parking meter. To a pimp a pussy is like an ATM. Women drop money like it’s hot, and a pimp picks it up like it’s not.

When most guys approach American women they do so with the attitude that their cocks are worthless and the pussy is made of gold and encrusted with precious gems. They start out from a position of weakness.

If you’re giving your cock away for free and you’re treating her pussy as something of immense value the game will be over before you even start. People simply do not value anything that can be obtained for free. There is no perceived value for free readily available things. So if a woman can try you why would she buy you? Old notions of chivalry and traditional dating etiquette are screwing you out of pussy. You’re approaching women as a supplicant when you pay for her drinks, meals and entertainment before she puts out. Don’t do it. If she complains then ask her if she thinks that men and women should be equal. If she says yes, then she should be picking up her share of the check at least. A woman who doesn’t want to do this came to enjoy a free meal and not your company. If she doesn’t think that men and women should be equal then ask her to clarify. In the event that she reveals herself as an undercover Femi Nazi dump her on the spot. Otherwise take her to the nearest hotel and screw the shit out of her. Use a condom and don’t dump raw in her guts. The best gift to give to yourself in 2010 might just be a vasectomy.

Remember that dating and screwing American women is a legal minefield. Playing the field is only slightly safer than marriage. Some states anticipated that some men would seek to circumvent divorce laws that favor women so they have common law marriage statues that go into effect after brief periods of cohabitation. Girlfriends can still make bogus domestic violence allegations. One night stands can claim that consent was withdrawn or never granted. If your equipment is still intact unwanted pregnancy followed by child support and visitations issues can arise. It is up to each man to decide if he wants to open himself up to these liabilities.

If you choose to screw American women remember that mongering is your trump card. You should always approach them not caring about the outcome because you always have recourse. Women have all the pussy but pussy is not legal tender. They need to sell the pussy for hard currency and that is where you come in. Approach the pussy transaction dispassionately.

Enter 2010 with a new attitude. Monger hard and beat out that pussy like it owes you money!

Spending 2010, saving money, working 2 jobs, going to school

Actual school is only from Feb to June, but additional training will take another month during the summer, we'll see what I end up doing.

Like the Patty La Belle Song "I got a new attitude"

I hope I can maybe get down to South America or maybe some of beach cities in Mexico for some additional selection over what's available in TJ.

No local pussy, I have cut them off.

[ThatGuy865]

Spending 2010, saving money, working 2 jobs, going to school

Actual school is only from Feb to June, but additional training will take another month during the summer, we'll see what I end up doing.

Like the Patty La Belle Song "I got a new attitude"

I hope I can maybe get down to South America or maybe some of beach cities in Mexico for some additional selection over what's available in Tijuana.

No local pussy, I have cut them off.DJ,

Where I'm from fucking a fat/ugly chick is better than "NO" pussy, of course its nothing to brag about. But its satisfying and gives you some practice. No one says you have to show her off in public, and you'd be surprised how good the sex can B.

There are plenty of chicks that will be happy with pizza and watching a DVD. Its better than beating your meat alone. Man you better get out there and get you a reliable chick. Especially for a guy on a budget.

[Dickhead]

I found a picture of ThatGay's wife on Craig's list:

[ThatGuy865]

I found a picture of ThatGay's wife on Craig's list:Damn, but at least I got some one. Bet she feels better than your hand.

Everything has beauty, but not everyone sees it. ~Confucius

Beauty comes as much from the mind as from the eye. ~Grey Livingston

[Chocha Monger]

I found a picture of ThatGay's wife on Craig's list:
Dickhead,

That is the one and only rule guys who deal with AW need to remember! :D

[Goga Fung]

DJ,

Where I'm from fucking a fat/ugly chick is better than "NO" pussy, of course its nothing to brag about. But its satisfying and gives you some practice. No one says you have to show her off in public, and you'd be surprised how good the sex can B.

There are plenty of chicks that will be happy with pizza and watching a DVD. Its better than beating your meat alone. Man you better get out there and get you a reliable chick. Especially for a guy on a budget.That's the many USA men's problem - they agree to fuck ugly girls, because nothing else is available. In USA often you can meet a good looking guy with a butt ugly chick. Therefore the girls do not have any incentive to get in shape and look better.

I was going to a gym sometime, often there were like 10 guys for one girl getting into shape. That's a really perverted ratio.

How good sex can be with fat/ugly? Unless you're in some kinda "love" state of mind, it's like fucking an animal. Plus piles of Viagra crap would be necessary.

For me personally I would not have sex at all than tyring to fuck a fat ugly chick. The psychological damage is too high. Years ago I fucked a fat/ugly just for "fun", still regret it.

[DJ FourMoney]

DJ,

Where I'm from fucking a fat/ugly chick is better than "NO" pussy, of course its nothing to brag about. But its satisfying and gives you some practice. No one says you have to show her off in public, and you'd be surprised how good the sex can B.

There are plenty of chicks that will be happy with pizza and watching a DVD. Its better than beating your meat alone. Man you better get out there and get you a reliable chick. Especially for a guy on a budget.

Its been a struggle to find a happy medium my entire life.

I picked up my father's Playboy's when I visited him on weekends (after the divorce) when I was younger. This was the middle 1970's. My mental imagine of women is well, maybe not idealistic for economic position.

This was before the world of electronic manipulation of imagines we generally see now. I know what an attractive woman looks like, I can not think of a sane reason why I should have only access to less than perfect.

With age came a realization of where I really was, my position in life. I modified my requirements accordingly. On the old scale that would be a woman in the 7-8 zone in the looks department.

I've had 7's here and there, let opportunities slip away. These were truly low maintenance women, didn't want much, just ol'e me that was it. I messed up, I stayed with my too long and lost two of them. When I finally figured out I should let my ex go because I saw no future, I thought I had it figured out.

Of course I didn't!

Fast Forward 10 years... Since Late 1998, I have been with a few since that point.

1) Sexually abused 19 year old with a "trailer trash" family in rural Colorado.

I would have been upgrading the gene pool...

2) Fat Chick I met online, not cute at all, Victorville

3) Fat Black Chick I met online, ummm never saw a picture until it was too late, 2nd time I let that happen...

4) Mercy Sex from a girl I never really knew were I stood with her.

5) Late 40's single mother I met at a Swinger's Party believe it or not, if I'm not mistaken this was a Swinger's party for BBW's, don't talk to me about fat chicks man, I've been there and done most of it.

Oh another Fat Chick, wasn't cute at all, I took her out to eat once. I used to walk right into the house, say hi to her mom, go into her room and close the door behind me, it was that simple and easy...

I don't want just sex, I can get that, usually from a fat chick. I was looking at my options one day and came across the site. I knew a guy back when I was just a few years removed from high school in the 90's that bragged about the hookers he used to call and wasn't ashamed at all.

I was interested in what you guys had to say and gained a new perceptive on my sex life and social position.

I much rather go down to TJ spend $20-60 per session, get my jollies and not have to deal with the usual nonsense that comes with fucking a civilians.

Thanks but no thanks TG

[Goga Fung]

Dickhead,

If you substitute the "cost per pussy" into the first formula V = Q / P, there is no division by zero issue.

V = ( Quality * #of pussy access )/ $X paid for pussy

So if one gets zero pussy, he gets 0 value, no matter what quality or amount spend.


"Paying for no pussy access" leads to an interesting mathematical conundrum. First you have to consider that V = Q / P or value equals quality divided by price. Although this equation cannot be objectively solved since quality is subjective, we still perform this math intuitively any time we spend any significant amount of money. So the term "paying" should imply value received. However, paying $X to receive zero pussy leads to another problematic series of equations:

$X paid for pussy / #of pussy access = cost per pussy, which becomes the P in the previous equation. Then if Q is a lognormally distributed coefficient of the quality of the pussy, centered on 1.0 and ranging from zero to infinity, relative value could be determined and a sensible decision could be made (if not completely hammered or crazed with lust).

But, not if #of pussy access = zero because you can't divide by zero. A mathematician might claim "the answer is undefined." But when it comes to pussy, the answer is not undefined! If you are paying $X and receiving nothing, you are an idiot and that is the answer. You are a cornudo pulling caballo and the world is laughing at you.

[Chocha Monger]

DJ:

The worst thing you can do is to fuck fat, old, ugly, blind, crazy, crippled, single parent and busted broads. If you really wanted a new sports car would you shop dealer lots and test drive used minivans and cargo trucks instead? In a similar manner if you’re looking for a woman in the 8 zone for a serious relationship time spent fucking women in the 1 to 5 zone is a waste of your time. Sure fucking them will help take the edge off but it will also sap your motivation and make you complacent. The time you’re spending fucking busted broads is time can be better spent improving your situation and looking for the type of woman you really want.

These subprime women want the same thing that premium women want in the long run. Imagine you’re with Miss Subprime and you run into a zone 8 woman who is interested in you. Oops! You have a “girlfriend” and to make matters worst she is busted so you suffer an immediate devaluation by association. Now you just lost an opportunity with a girl you really wanted because you were with a girl who is a convenient hole to nut in. Even if you don’t get caught outright riding your piglet you’d have to be a pretty heartless fucker to dump her fast enough to prevent her from screwing up your opportunity. Then you have deal with the fallout that will come from dogging her out like that.

Also, there is the opportunity cost involved in humping your beached whale instead of spending that time studying or working extra hours. So basically, you’re investing time and money into fucking a woman that isn’t even visually appealing to you. Since no pussy is free pussy, you’re better off having no pussy if it is pussy you don’t really want to begin with. At least when you monger you’re renting time on a model similar to the one that you’d like to own eventually.

The only person who benefits from busted broad fucking is the busted broad herself because she is getting serviced from someone who would normally not fuck her. If you knock her up she will invariably keep the baby and put you on child support if you refuse to stay with her. Now, you’re really even more fucked than before and your dreams of a relationship with a zone 8 girl will remain just that, a dream.

[Goga Fung]

DJ:

The worst thing you can do is to fuck fat, old, ugly, blind, crazy, crippled, single parent and busted broads. If you really wanted a new sports car would you shop dealer lots and test drive used minivans and cargo trucks instead? In a similar manner if you’re looking for a woman in the 8 zone for a serious relationship time spent fucking women in the 1 to 5 zone is a waste of your time. Sure fucking them will help take the edge off but it will also sap your motivation and make you complacent. The time you’re spending fucking busted broads is time can be better spent improving your situation and looking for the type of woman you really want.
I agree. It is better to spend time working, studying, earning extra money which can be spent later on time with a high quality woman.

If everybody did it(avoid fat/ugly broads), then maybe those "fat, old, ugly, blind, crazy, crippled" broads would start feeling competition and will try to improve themselves. So the whole situation might improve in the long run. But if it does not you don't lose anything anyway.

In Latin America and Eastern Europe women compete for good men, women try to look good and dress well.

In Kazakhstan they even offer courses for women on how to get and keep a man! Which is complete opposite to USA

[DJ FourMoney]

DJ:

The worst thing you can do is to fuck fat, old, ugly, blind, crazy, crippled, single parent and busted broads. If you really wanted a new sports car would you shop dealer lots and test drive used minivans and cargo trucks instead? In a similar manner if you’re looking for a woman in the 8 zone for a serious relationship time spent fucking women in the 1 to 5 zone is a waste of your time. Sure fucking them will help take the edge off but it will also sap your motivation and make you complacent. The time you’re spending fucking busted broads is time can be better spent improving your situation and looking for the type of woman you really want.

These subprime women want the same thing that premium women want in the long run. Imagine you’re with Miss Subprime and you run into a zone 8 woman who is interested in you. Oops! You have a “girlfriend” and to make matters worst she is busted so you suffer an immediate devaluation by association. Now you just lost an opportunity with a girl you really wanted because you were with a girl who is a convenient hole to nut in. Even if you don’t get caught outright riding your piglet you’d have to be a pretty heartless fucker to dump her fast enough to prevent her from screwing up your opportunity. Then you have deal with the fallout that will come from dogging her out like that.

Also, there is the opportunity cost involved in humping your beached whale instead of spending that time studying or working extra hours. So basically, you’re investing time and money into fucking a woman that isn’t even visually appealing to you. Since no pussy is free pussy, you’re better off having no pussy if it is pussy you don’t really want to begin with. At least when you monger you’re renting time on a model similar to the one that you’d like to own eventually.

The only person who benefits from busted broad fucking is the busted broad herself because she is getting serviced from someone who would normally not fuck her. If you knock her up she will invariably keep the baby and put you on child support if you refuse to stay with her. Now, you’re really even more fucked than before and your dreams of a relationship with a zone 8 girl will remain just that, a dream.

Thank You CM for spelling it out for AW Apologist: That Guy

I wasted another year with my ex on a 7 that could be an 8 with just a quick trip to the dentist. We even talked about living together. Because I was unsure of my situation (I wasn't working at the time and my business wasn't working out like I planned without additional investment), I ultimately stuck with the status quo.

I have been down that road already, I wasted at least a year, missed out on an excellent opportunity. This girl used to send me snaps of her pussy unsolicited, "Look baby, here's a pic of my pussy, I want you inside it"

She ended up marrying some Navy guy that knocked her up and last I heard she was divorced and had two kids.

I went down to San Diego to see her one day after I took my gf to work, we even kissed. I just was unsure, I had my gf working, paying for shhh and not complaining about it either, not even to her mother who she constantly talked too.

I've been to San Diego at least 2 other times for pussy, all hotties (in my book or anybody else's for that matter...) all at least 7's, one single mother that was an 8 and you know she was judging by the broken necks she generated in the Gas Lamp District, for those that know SD.

I had forgot my wallet that evening and after that night I never heard from her again... Mistakes a man will make.... I think there's a Slick Rick lyric in there...

C'mon TG I'm 39, I can be f'ing around anymore. As it is, I'm forced to spend who know's how much in the end to find somebody in there mid to late 20's that's willing to shack up with a young looking but still almost 40 year old man. By the time I find somebody, confirm she's the right one, all the nonsense and paperwork, I will be at least 40 if not 41 and if all goes smooth as glass, she might even pop out our first child by the time I'm 42, IF I'm lucky and TG wants me to burn up my valuable time, trolling BBW Single Sites, BBW Single's clubs and Craigslist which is full of Broken Ass Women "Ankles" just so I can fuck for free?

Man its not FREE! I put a monetary value on every min I waste doing something I don't want.

Hell of a suggestion dude.

Again thanks CM

[Capt Ajax]

I found a picture of ThatGay's wife on Craig's list:

Here's another one.......

[ThatGuy865]

That was funny Capt.

Hey guys, I was only making a SUGGESTION for DJ.

My thinking was at night when he had SPARE time. Instead of beating his meat, watching TV, or whatever he does with his SPARE time. He could meet some let me say "less attractive" women who are a bit more gracious and less demanding than an 8, 9, or 10. Would B.

Isn't this a forum about helping one another. You guys act like I tried to flame on him or something.

Why is the only solution. P4P with a woman from another country.

I ask you why do so many wealthy American men who have traveled the world, can afford to marry women from any where, yet so many marry AW.

Its not just the rich, many of the military men, who have been stationed all around the world, been with women from all parts of the world, yet they still come back to America and marry an AW.

There must be something to be said for the AW, of course no one says 100% of the men will be happy with every AW, but thats not because she's American.

Mainly its because they weren't right for each other. She wasn't the right person for that guy, whether she had come from south america, asia, or EE. Those two people were right for each other. Period.

Being with someone "married" or not for a long time is a hard thing to do. People's ideas on things change as we grow, views and values change. So for two people to grow and keep these things in synch is a miracle in itself.

ThatGuy.

[PauloThai]

Here's another one.......Hello Ajax,

I hear that again Ajax will not be champion.

Are they that bad ?

Cheers !

[Dickhead]

So I was talking with this friend of mine who lives up in SP. He told me he met a gal on (Craig's list?? Face Book?? some on-line bullshit) and she said in her ad she had been 75 lbs overweight and had lost 25. So he thought this was good evidence of her "commitment to change."

I said, "Suppose she loses the whole 75 lbs? What's that gonna look like? Pick a wrinkle, any wrinkle?"

He said I was "negative" and "cynical." I asked him if he fucked her yet and he said, "Oh no; she needs to lose at least another 25 lbs before that will happen." I said, "So in the meantime, you are taking her out and hanging out with her and spending your hard earned money on her and if in several months she's lost 25 more lbs then you will fuck her? And if not????"

He said homina homina homina um er uh uh and I said, "I'm not offended that you called me negative and cynical so I hope you won't be offended when I call you desperate and pathetic."

[ThatGuy865]

So I was talking with this friend of mine who lives up in SP. He told me he met a gal on (Craig's list?? Face Book?? some on-line bullshit) and she said in her ad she had been 75 lbs overweight and had lost 25. So he thought this was good evidence of her "commitment to change."

I said, "Suppose she loses the whole 75 lbs? What's that gonna look like? Pick a wrinkle, any wrinkle?"

He said I was "negative" and "cynical." I asked him if he fucked her yet and he said, "Oh no; she needs to lose at least another 25 lbs before that will happen." I said, "So in the meantime, you are taking her out and hanging out with her and spending your hard earned money on her and if in several months she's lost 25 more lbs then you will fuck her? And if not????"

He said homina homina homina um er uh uh and I said, "I'm not offended that you called me negative and cynical so I hope you won't be offended when I call you desperate and pathetic."Like wise One of my best friends who went out to a jazz club. Met a fine. I mean fine ass blonde hair blue eye white girl with a booty no less. She has a kid so she can't afford to get out often, so instead of going out he goes to her place, she fixes knacks or dinner depending how late he goes, they watch DVD's and once the kid (5yrs old) is off to sleep, he bones her the rest of the night. He's taken her out to dinner, nothing fancy, $75 for the two

He calles it pathetic when ever I mention the P4P option. He figures he has taken her out maybe once a month and he goes thru about 2 times a week. We discuss this frequently even though I date AW, I still participate in the P4P game and he always berates the game. He doesn't have the taste for the variety of women like me, nor the desire to travel. Even when a group of us make a Tijuana run, he will go for the comrodery, but never partakes of the game. He calls it a waste of his hard earned dollar. He wouldn't pay for something he considers he can get for free.

[Bnlee2]

Here's another one.Hey stop talking sh$T about my wife. She working so that she can pay off my doctor's bill after giving me a massive head concussion after she accidentally slammed those titties into my head during a hot kinky session. If you guys use her, give her a big tip. I need to find a dentist to give me a new set of dentures. She also knocked cracked my dentures too.

BTW, please watch out for those swingin titties. Be careful.

SEAJ, if you are reading this, she also a "white" tiger.

[Mike12]

So I was talking with this friend of mine who lives up in SP. He told me he met a gal on (Craig's list?? Face Book?? some on-line bullshit) and she said in her ad she had been 75 lbs overweight and had lost 25. So he thought this was good evidence of her "commitment to change."

I said, "Suppose she loses the whole 75 lbs? What's that gonna look like? Pick a wrinkle, any wrinkle?"

He said I was "negative" and "cynical." I asked him if he fucked her yet and he said, "Oh no; she needs to lose at least another 25 lbs before that will happen." I said, "So in the meantime, you are taking her out and hanging out with her and spending your hard earned money on her and if in several months she's lost 25 more lbs then you will fuck her? And if not????"

He said homina homina homina um er uh uh and I said, "I'm not offended that you called me negative and cynical so I hope you won't be offended when I call you desperate and pathetic."


Everyone's on the whole Facebook, Myspace, Craigslist social media thing. Too bad for guys it can be like hittin the lottery finding a decent female. Off the top of my head one guy I know just got scammed by a so-called Egyptian Hollywood type he met on Craigslist or Myspace, another didn't know where the girl was from he met off of Facebook - Ghana or Guyana, I said "did she ask you for money?" he said "yes" and I told him it was probably a Nigerian scammer in Ghana; the last guy met a girl who contacted him somehow and was lovey-dovey for 4 months on dates until he got an e-mail from some guy who got an e-mail from her asking for a threesome. Of course a single mother.

Was worried about the "up in SP" quote. For a minute thought it was Sao Paolo which would seem unbelievable as to a guy having problems meeting chicks there. ( SP = Sex Prison USA. )

[Mike12]

He calles it pathetic when ever I mention the P4P option. He figures he has taken her out maybe once a month and he goes thru about 2 times a week. We discuss this frequently even though I date AW, I still participate in the P4P game and he always berates the game. He doesn't have the taste for the variety of women like me, nor the desire to travel. Even when a group of us make a Tijuana run, he will go for the comrodery, but never partakes of the game. He calls it a waste of his hard earned dollar. He wouldn't pay for something he considers he can get for free.
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I know guys with the same attitude. Usually they never been out of the country unless it was to Acapulco or the Carribean, or some BS boat cruise where they meet a chick from Boston and drove up to see her every other weekend. They just don't get the whole program of what it's about around the world. You have to really paint a picture of non-stop available sex with willing woman available which American men can't comprehend of such a thing existing and availing themselves. You have to really understand when you leave America it's a mans world out there.

When I tell them not to wear jewelry in some places, dress down and don't draw attention alot of guys have an attitude of " I'm not changing myself" just because... And my favorite-"I don't pay for no pussy."

[Voyajer1]

Unless you are dating a highly successful cougar or a successful young woman who pays for all the dates, drives to your house always (Not the other way around) and gratifies herself and you sexually, and can be called upon to repeat previous statement on command you are going to pay for it one way or another. If we are talking about your time, taking risks, either fiscal, psychological, emotional, whatever, can afford to date at will, it all comes with a price tag attached unless she PAYS you for your time. You may have to dig through millions of tons of dirt to find that one perfect diamond. The same principle applies to AW in the dating game.

There are gems out there, but where are you going to find one? On the other hand, outside of Sex Prison, USA, the bounty is rich, plentiful, and available. There are no hidden agendas over the borders here if you have some brains. It is still a man's world over here, something our AW really hate. Plus the sex is just freaking outstanding, mostly 10 out of 10 in a scale of 1 through 10. Yes its paid for, but do I deserve anything less than that? I think not. The starfish experience in the AP is just not worth the time and it IS damn expensive. Just my opinion...



When I tell them not to wear jewelry in some places, dress down and don't draw attention alot of guys have an attitude of " I'm not changing myself" just because... And my favorite-"I don't pay for no pussy."

[ThatGuy865]

Unless you are dating a highly successful cougar or a successful young woman who pays for all the dates, drives to your house always (Not the other way around) and gratifies herself and you sexually, and can be called upon to repeat previous statement on command you are going to pay for it one way or another. If we are talking about your time, taking risks, either fiscal, psychological, emotional, whatever, can afford to date at will, it all comes with a price tag attached unless she PAYS you for your time. You may have to dig through millions of tons of dirt to find that one perfect diamond. The same principle applies to AW in the dating game.

There are gems out there, but where are you going to find one? On the other hand, outside of Sex Prison, USA, the bounty is rich, plentiful, and available. There are no hidden agendas over the borders here if you have some brains. It is still a man's world over here, something our AW really hate. Plus the sex is just freaking outstanding, mostly 10 out of 10 in a scale of 1 through 10. Yes its paid for, but do I deserve anything less than that? I think not. The starfish experience in the AP is just not worth the time and it IS damn expensive. Just my opinion.This is about a ridiculous statement as I have ever read.

That same ole line about "You pay for it one way or another" is a mongers mantra and excuse for the P4P game. No regular relationships that work DO NOT equate to the same as P4P.

Not all Time is money. Do you do anything besides making money. When you go to have a drink or watch a game with the fellas. Are you paying to have friends! If you go to dinner at your mom's house. Is that costing you money. Is every thing you do in life about making money. Have you heard of free time to relax. Are you some Fat#kng minute by minute investor. Your time is that damn valuable, every minute of it. If life to you is only about making money. Then you're right keep f$#%kng paying for it cause you'd never be good in a relationship anyway.

Even if it is, then your ass is paying 100x the price for overseas pootane. Cause of the TIME and cost it takes to fly over there and back, the hotel and food expenses, the time you spend there when you aint with a babe, the time going to get the baB. And I know a BIG TIME guy like yourself, not only pays for the girl, but takes her out like she's some date, (cause she can swallow mine and everybody else's dick like a champ and has). If TIME is money then you are paying a hell of alot more for oversea's pussy.

Thatguy. telling it like it is.

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[Westy]

Why is the only solution. P4P with a woman from another country.Maybe it's because ISG is all about the P4P scene outside the USA?


There must be something to be said for the AW, of course no one says 100% of the men will be happy with every AW, but thats not because she's American.

Mainly its because they weren't right for each other. She wasn't the right person for that guy, whether she had come from south america, asia, or EE. Those two people were right for each other. Period.You are absolutely right about "they weren't right for each other. " However, the current culture of the USA seems to take the position that "if there's a problem, it's all the man's fault. " It's a culture of blame and entitlement, and of portraying men as "the enemy. " I, for one, have gotten such a bellyful of that $#! + that I stopped even "looking for love" in the USA.

But when we go "offshore, " we find women who aren't busy "blaming the man" for all their troubles. We find a culture where the ladies are happy to be with us. And even if it's a P4P situation, we enjoy it oh so much!

Isn't ISG all about "where the chicas are, " about the countries and places we can go to "see the sweetness we've been trying for"?

[DJ FourMoney]

That was funny Capt.

Hey guys, I was only making a SUGGESTION for DJ.

My thinking was at night when he had SPARE time. Instead of beating his meat, watching TV, or whatever he does with his SPARE time. He could meet some let me say "less attractive" women who are a bit more gracious and less demanding than an 8, 9, or 10. Would B.

Isn't this a forum about helping one another. You guys act like I tried to flame on him or something.

Why is the only solution. P4P with a woman from another country.

I ask you why do so many wealthy American men who have traveled the world, can afford to marry women from any where, yet so many marry AW.

Its not just the rich, many of the military men, who have been stationed all around the world, been with women from all parts of the world, yet they still come back to America and marry an AW.

There must be something to be said for the AW, of course no one says 100% of the men will be happy with every AW, but thats not because she's American.

Mainly its because they weren't right for each other. She wasn't the right person for that guy, whether she had come from south america, asia, or EE. Those two people were right for each other. Period.

Being with someone "married" or not for a long time is a hard thing to do. People's ideas on things change as we grow, views and values change. So for two people to grow and keep these things in synch is a miracle in itself.

ThatGuy.

I know I had your ignored for a reason, you make no sense.

I watch TV to stay informed, I get home about 10pm every day I work, I watch my recorded content, takes about 2:45 bypassing adverts. That makes it about Midnight. What in the hell am I suppose to do? I haven't had my car since April. I don't have it anymore, the reasons why do not needed to be covered here.

When I don't work, it takes an hour to get anywhere near some friends via the bus/subway. This is not New York or Chicago or Western Europe, this is Los Angeles. You need a car for any sort of social life! Unless you wanna date some bohemian barefoot type from Santa Monica/Venice and I DON'T...

I shouldn't have to keep explaining it, I barely come into contact with workable targets. I work late intentionally, I think most people are stupid, especially when it comes to the car they drive, its an appliance to most.

I've basically thrown away going out to clubs. I don't drink, I don't belong in bars.

That doesn't leave much and your helpful suggestion is to corner the market on fat chicks????

You act like I haven't tried that "Just fuck'em and don't worry about the rest" approach. Well sorry I worry about the rest. The example CM used has happen to me. Being with somebody you kinda don't wanna be with and meeting somebody you rather be with, your stuck. I'm not a evil, nasty mean person, I can't just roll over a girl's feelings.

I personally think that men that say they can do it, honestly can't do it when confronted with it. That would mean you're an natural asshole, you shouldn't have any problems dating, you wouldn't be a member of this site, because "You don't pay for sex". I honestly think most of us here have some sort of shortcoming, we're not alpha males.

I say the common shortcoming from the looks of it, we're too nice.

AW don't register "nice" until their stock/value has gone down considerably or they have added considerable baggage. Look at any BBW single's site as I was just for YOU TG and I saw a few common themes -

1) Never Been Married

This is because no matter how much YOU wanna say its acceptable in America, its NOT and Fat Women are shunned generally as low on the desire list. I live on the West Coast, its generally not acceptable. If your in the South or Midwest, I guess because of overall lack of competition for your dick, a girl that's a bit chubby might be acceptable instead of beating your meat.

2) Wanted: High Sex Drive

It goes without saying, if your not dating, your not FUCKING. Fat Women might find it harder to get laid than even a man does in some cases. Most men just don't like fat women, if they are out clubbing with their friends, they won't do it even if it means no pussy tonight, this week, this month or this year.

Only on the total DL (Down Low) would many even consider it. For most this is a sign of desperation, they rather watch porn...

On the surface, you may be correct that somebody chubby might be a high value target. They will usually fuck WAY before the 3rd date in a effort to try and hold on to you, I know from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. When we say Women use sex as a weapon, it goes both ways. They are ready, I'd say more ready than Single Mothers to get married, especially if they found a man that totally accepts their body image, that's like striking the lottery...

If that's all we wanted TG, then most of us would be married to fat chicks and not on this forum. I mean why not if she loves you deeply because she believes you love her more for her personality than her body, it seems like a perfect storm. You get all the sex you want, on command/demand (again from personal experience) and a woman that wouldn't even CONSIDER cheating on you. Don't you think this some of the reasoning behind why some men actually prefer fat chicks?

For men their extra weight is a form of long term security.

Your suggestion is assuming (mistake number 1) that I'm just stupid. If anything I lack motivation, not intelligence, if I do say so myself. When I say I don't wanna fuck any fat chicks means I have done it before and I consider it a waste of my time.

C'mon man, I actually find it shocking that a Single White BBW isn't considering a Black Man for a serious relationship. Its fairly rare but I got a newsflash for them, unless you consider ALL your options and not just White Men you'll find yourself lonely, childless, sexless and never married, unless -

a) Loose Weight

or

b) Be Open Minded

That old stereotype of Black Men liking bigger women empowers fat women to talk to me. I have NO PROBLEM getting laid by Fat Chicks, OKAY TG you got that?

IT IS NOT WHAT I WANT, I can do better, I have done better, I want to remain on that path of success and personal glory.

You're entitled to your own opinion of course, but spending $20-60 for a skinny big titted chica is much better option that pretending to court some fat chick.

[Dickhead]

Actually for those who are considering dating fat losers, I urge you to consider skinny losers instead. Anorexics eat little and so are cheap dates. Bulimics have largely overcome the gag reflex. The benefits are obvious, and there is less collateral damage to the furniture.

Really skinny gals are also able to actually reach their butt holes to wipe properly after using the toilet, as opposed to having a disgusting collection of dingleberries and angelberries.

Hope that helps! Have a great day!!! :<)

[Goga Fung]

Actually for those who are considering dating fat losers, I urge you to consider skinny losers instead. Anorexics eat little and so are cheap dates. Bulimics have largely overcome the gag reflex. The benefits are obvious, and there is less collateral damage to the furniture.

Really skinny gals are also able to actually reach their butt holes to wipe properly after using the toilet, as opposed to having a disgusting collection of dingleberries and angelberries.

Hope that helps! Have a great day!!! :<)I think that would be the simplest thing to do, since I believe hoe's on drugs are usually skinny.

When one friend got back from prizon( his ex mother-in law got him there for sexually harassing her which was of course bullshit)

He was horny as hell. So we picked up a girl, she was standing next to a pet store in a plaza. She was probably pretty years ago, but that day her face was disgusting, obviously because of drugs.

He did not give a shit and got F/S for $25

I think it is probably better than dating a whale, at least that druggie had skinny body by North American standards. She even had somewhat nice personality.

[Voyajer1]

ThatLady:
I guess that you disagree with what I've said? Again, that is the reply I expect from a woman, an AW at that who thinks too much of herself to boot.
Thank you for your opinion, however, we must agree to disagree.

I hope the economy is not affecting your bottom line. Really. I hate people wasting my efforts by being so fake, underhanded and duplicitous as you, the good ol' AW's. Of course, the time spent with friends and family IS priceless. I haven't brought that up at any time so bringing it to this discussion is a sure-fire show of desperation and ignorance on your part. Again, we must agree to disagree, my lady.

The use of profanity shows how emotional you got by what was said. You must think so very highly of yourself that you must make your point by demonstrating your grasp of the language. I am really impressed by your use of profanity to make your point :rolleyes:. All I can say is that I'm having the time of my life as we speak. How are you doing? Are you happy? Really? I know I am, very much so, thank you very much. Don't worry about how I spend my money. Trust me, there is more where that came from. The women I deal with are not interested in ruining my life, so yes that is something you must find offensive? Not fun?

My guess is that, since I cannot be ruined by your feminist agenda, I must be insulted and belittled? Think I am falling for that BS, think again. This is the happiest guy on earth you are trying to hoodwinkle, my dear, so you can try your obnoxiousness on someone who is weak and dumb. I am neither. I travel, have lots of fun and have no ball and chain to deal with. Deal with that :D

Voyajer telling the truth!

[ThatGuy865]

Ok Gents,

It appears from the posters my opinion/advice is not appreciated in this forum. So unless I receive/see post stating that they would like to hear thatguy's opinion. I will not post another in this forum in 2010.

If You would like thatguy to continue to post you can let him know privately or publicly. We will see if anyone appreciates my opinion.

[OldSchool318]

This is a great thread and there are many points that I have been shaking my head in agreement.

"I don't pay for no pussy."

Simply put, everybody pays for pussy in some way. Even if it is just the energy you put in.

I'm a guy who is in shape, and has an ok job and thanks to the grace of god I have been blessed with the ability to entertain, and that is usually how I have found my way to a womans heart and her pussy too. I have been with alot of AW but I believe I have been rejected by a ton more. Ones that really have no business in rejecting.

With a AW it comes down to this simple rule:

You have to be aggressive and you have to not give a fuck. You will not survive in the pussy world otherwise. Every time I meet a girl I think I could really be into, I often forget this and it definitely leaves them with the power. The hottest free bees I have ever gotten, were me just being an aggressive fuck and not giving a shit if I got turned down. We are also forced in the process not to give a shit about them. As much as they claim to hate this it is unfortunately the only way to win. Frankly that sucks as I am a really nice guy and would much prefer just to make her comfortable and laugh and let her come to me. Being nice, you will often be leaving pussy on the table.

I have noticed a huge difference with the non-pros between here and Europe too. I dated a girl from Holland a few years back, and she was amazing. She was all about meeting my needs and making me feel like I was the most important guy in the room. A friend is now dating a girl from France and it is the same way. His roomate is dating a girl who is in management in Target, and she is a fat drunk who won't fuck him unless he converts to christian fundementalism.

The #1 problem with the AW is her sense of entitlement. You work for her and she controls you and shits on you, or you psychologically destroy her and you then own her. But at the same time you can then expect the "allegations" at some point because that is what that kind of love does.

[OldSchool318]

I recently have been flourishing with online short term romance. I wish I could put in the profile "enjoys sport fucking" and "traveling for mongering purposes", and even "Looking for a chick that will bring hookers home for me".

A good woman is hard to find!

Ok, so I dated this one girl, and I actually had it in my head that she might be a target of value and actually made the grand mistake of "putting the puss on the pedestal". Damm, I know better.

I should have known better after our first date when she told me that even though she makes great money, that a guy should always pay for her when courting her because she is "worth it". Normally I would tell a woman at that point to fuck off, but I was really playing her game instead of mine.

We talked for about a month and there was no pussy at all. Took her out to a comedy club and she had the wall up and I knew what was coming. After a $100 night she told me bullshit and I knew that we wouldn't see each other again. The normal me knows to be aggressive and get in their pants first and ask questions later. That $100 could have been used for a hot CL date or put towards a monger vacation.

Find a piece of pussy if you can and hold onto for dear life if you desire, but you would be better off taking the $50-100 or whatever someone spends on dates and bars every week and plan a vacation where you can be a man, and don't have to make excuses.

[Chocha Monger]

Actually for those who are considering dating fat losers, I urge you to consider skinny losers instead. Anorexics eat little and so are cheap dates. Bulimics have largely overcome the gag reflex. The benefits are obvious, and there is less collateral damage to the furniture.

Really skinny gals are also able to actually reach their butt holes to wipe properly after using the toilet, as opposed to having a disgusting collection of dingleberries and angelberries.

Hope that helps! Have a great day!!! :<)
Another reason why guy's should not date fat women is that these women cheat because any offer of sex from a man is seen as a good opportunity. Talk shows are filled with these fat disgusting women who cheat on fit guys stupid enough to fuck them. They usually have a distorted view of reality and call themselves big and beautiful just because some guys have a fat fetish or think that whale pussy is better than no pussy. When a fat woman cheats on a guy that guy's ego will be totally destroyed. He will have to deal with the fact that one of the least desirable women in the country cheated on his ass. That's not exactly a confidence builder.

[ThatGuy865]

Another reason why guy's should not date fat women is that these women cheat because any offer of sex from a man is seen as a good opportunity. Talk shows are filled with these fat disgusting women who cheat on fit guys stupid enough to fuck them. They usually have a distorted view of reality and call themselves big and beautiful just because some guys have a fat fetish or think that whale pussy is better than no pussy. When a fat woman cheats on a guy that guy's ego will be totally destroyed. He will have to deal with the fact that one of the least desirable women in the country cheated on his ass. That's not exactly a confidence builder.Oh and getting no pussy is a confidence booster.

Please,. Its better to have had and lost, then to have never had at all.

Last remark from TG. Cya

[Artisttyp]

Another reason why guy's should not date fat women is that these women cheat because any offer of sex from a man is seen as a good opportunity. Talk shows are filled with these fat disgusting women who cheat on fit guys stupid enough to fuck them. They usually have a distorted view of reality and call themselves big and beautiful just because some guys have a fat fetish or think that whale pussy is better than no pussy. When a fat woman cheats on a guy that guy's ego will be totally destroyed. He will have to deal with the fact that one of the least desirable women in the country cheated on his ass. That's not exactly a confidence builder.


My last fatty was a regular in "jamaica". However she insisted she has never mongered in her life. One night I got grossed out while banging her and I pulled out. I just couldn't go on. The mattress had a big dent in it and the room was filled with fat pussy juice. It was absolute turmoil.

I was so disgusted at myself and for her! I've had pfp in low end chongos cleaner than her.

She obviously felt weird and left. A few months later she lost a few pounds (5-7) and came by to uummm "tease me" and to be honest it worked. I could have held my nostrils and blown another load but she turned me down! Nothing is lamer than dumping an XXL and NOT being able to get it back.

I will never do a "fury fuck" on a mess like that again. It was very embarassing to have to resort to that type of sex.


*Pity fucking in america is worse than no sex at all. I'm done with it.

Sometimes you have to pick up your draws and shuffle away.

[DJ FourMoney]

There are degrees, you can find women that consider themselves "big" because they are tall, not so much "fat", but that is increasingly rare as the term BBW was hijacked by gigantic women with thighs bigger than your torso!

I have drawn a line in the sand, so to speak.

Just say NO to Fat Chicks, WORLDWIDE....

[George90]

Ok Gents,

It appears from the posters my opinion/advice is not appreciated in this forum. So unless I receive/see post stating that they would like to hear thatguy's opinion. I will not post another in this forum in 2010.

If You would like thatguy to continue to post you can let him know privately or publicly. We will see if anyone appreciates my opinion.

Can anyone believe the arrogance of 'ThatGuy'????!!!???!!!??? Did 'he' REALLY threaten to take 'his' bat and ball and go home if the rest of us don't suck up to 'him'????

That type of attitude is only publically displayed by AWs. I agree with Voyager that 'he' is really a SHE posing as a man.

TG, you know where the door is. You how to use it. Have a nice life!

[Dickhead]

TG, don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you.

[Chocha Monger]

Thatgurl,

Don't worry there are plenty of feminist forums on the web where your PMS will be most welcomed. Thank you for leaving us be in 2010. :D

[Goga Fung]

C'mon TG I'm 39, I can be f'ing around anymore. As it is, I'm forced to spend who know's how much in the end to find somebody in there mid to late 20's that's willing to shack up with a young looking but still almost 40 year old man. By the time I find somebody, confirm she's the right one, all the nonsense and paperwork, I will be at least 40 if not 41 and if all goes smooth as glass, she might even pop out our first child by the time I'm 42, IF I'm lucky and TG wants me to burn up my valuable time, trolling BBW Single Sites, BBW Single's clubs and Craigslist which is full of Broken Ass Women "Ankles" just so I can fuck for free?
Dude,

I dunno what the hell you are still doing in the USA. I'm in Central Asia now. Yesterday was drinking wine in a restaurant with two girls 24 and 20 year old I'm in my mid 30s.

There were also three other women(about 30y. O. All good looking) sitting at another table and were making jelous looks at us. The funny part was when the 20y. O. Got a little drunk and starting almost fighting with her girlfriend. Because of me.

It was just a regular restaurant, regular women. There were a lot of nice slow music, one could see all the women were horny as hell also wanted to dance with you.

I visited another city for a few days. In few days I got 3 marriage propositions with some really good looking and decent girls.

After reading all this AW crap, I could only think WTF.

[DJ FourMoney]

Dude,

I dunno what the hell you are still doing in the USA. I'm in Central Asia now. Yesterday was drinking wine in a restaurant with two girls 24 and 20 year old I'm in my mid 30s.

There were also three other women(about 30y. O. All good looking) sitting at another table and were making jelous looks at us. The funny part was when the 20y. O. Got a little drunk and starting almost fighting with her girlfriend. Because of me.

It was just a regular restaurant, regular women. There were a lot of nice slow music, one could see all the women were horny as hell also wanted to dance with you.

I visited another city for a few days. In few days I got 3 marriage propositions with some really good looking and decent girls.

After reading all this AW crap, I could only think WTF.

Because being outside the US cost money! lol

I have the plan, it will work. I just have ONE minor detail to correct (lack of an automobile) which I hope to correct as soon as next pay period (Jan 15th). From that point I'll be able to re-start my second job and double my meager earnings. But I have reduced my bills to FOUR (recently picked up a credit card) and soon I will reduce it to three (insurance, credit card, cell phone).

I should be able to save $1,000+ a month from I hope Feb through Dec 2010. When my co-worker returns to the Philippines to visit extended family, I will go with him and when I return, he might return to my current employer but I will not.

Between Feb and June, I will be going to school for some training on renewable energies.

By Nov of this year, I will have my European Mission planned and I hope to set foot on European soil by March/April 2011.

Schengen will be dealt with in some way I haven't quite figured out yet.

I am giving myself as much time as I need to complete this mission - (6 months +)

[Ezinho]

Can anyone believe the arrogance of 'ThatGuy'????!!!???!!!??? Did 'he' REALLY threaten to take 'his' bat and ball and go home if the rest of us don't suck up to 'him'????

That type of attitude is only publically displayed by AWs. I agree with Voyager that 'he' is really a SHE posing as a man.

TG, you know where the door is. You how to use it. Have a nice life!
I don't know you guys, I think there's a good possibility that ThatGuy865 really is a man. I don't know about the rest of you, but I've met many AMs (American Men) like him, especially when I was in college. They all said pretty much the same things as TG, and held the same post-feminist views. Some of them even took the Women's Studies classes!

Think about this, how many AM friends do you have that you openly talk about your mongering with? For me it's almost zero (1), because they will be judgemental and say the same thing TG says, "only losers pay for pussy" "I'll never pay for sex!" etc.

Hell, AMs don't even make good friends, now that I think about it. They would stab their best buddy in the back for even a mediocre piece of pussy, and when they're in relationships with AWs, they never want to hang out with you. Of course once their girfriend/wife dumps them, then they have time for their friends.

Oh great, now I'm starting to sound like a woman!

[Dickhead]

I been around a while and I never had a male friend stab me in the back over pussy. But that might be because I grew to consider pussy to be fairly fungible. It also might be because I have "Don't Fuck With Me" pretty much tattooed on my forehead.

Hanging out with a lot of mongers for a few years, I found them even less likely to engage in such shenanigans because pussy became fungible to them too. One other monger and I fucked a couple of dozen of the same women and we agreed that if we ever did not want the other to fuck someone we would just say so. He said so a very few times but I never did.

At this point I could even have a "steady girlfriend" and I would not care if she fucked the entire Bolivian Navy. Jealousy = vulnerability and not giving a shit = true empowerment.

Jealousy is a very ugly emotion and is an antiquated concept dating back to when certainty of paternity was important for crap like inheritance of titles. Fuck all that shit. Meritocracy should predominate.

It's interesting when friends come to visit and I offer my women friends to them. They will say stuff like, "Hey, your friend is really cute" and I say, "Do you want to fuck her? Because that can be arranged." Lots of times they start out being really horrified by this and lots of times they end up fucking them within a very short period of time.

[Chocha Monger]

I been around a while and I never had a male friend stab me in the back over pussy. But that might be because I grew to consider pussy to be fairly fungible. It also might be because I have "Don't Fuck With Me" pretty much tattooed on my forehead.

Hanging out with a lot of mongers for a few years, I found them even less likely to engage in such shenanigans because pussy became fungible to them too. One other monger and I fucked a couple of dozen of the same women and we agreed that if we ever did not want the other to fuck someone we would just say so. He said so a very few times but I never did.

At this point I could even have a "steady girlfriend" and I would not care if she fucked the entire Bolivian Navy. Jealousy = vulnerability and not giving a shit = true empowerment.

Jealousy is a very ugly emotion and is an antiquated concept dating back to when certainty of paternity was important for crap like inheritance of titles. Fuck all that shit. Meritocracy should predominate.

It's interesting when friends come to visit and I offer my women friends to them. They will say stuff like, "Hey, your friend is really cute" and I say, "Do you want to fuck her? Because that can be arranged." Lots of times they start out being really horrified by this and lots of times they end up fucking them within a very short period of time.
I can't say that I've been that lucky. I have been stabbed in the back by American guys over pussy. However, I learned to identify the type of guys who do this and avoid associating with them. As for pussy, I see it as community property. No one person can be guaranteed sole access to it though everyone wants to believe differently. Life becomes a lot simpler once you accept the fact that what you like others will like also.

[Westy]

Hanging out with a lot of mongers for a few years, I found them even less likely to engage in such shenanigans because pussy became fungible to them too. At this point I could even have a "steady girlfriend" and I would not care if she fucked the entire Bolivian Navy. Okay, but what about a country that has a blue-water navy?; the


Jealousy = vulnerability and not giving a shit = true empowerment.

Jealousy is a very ugly emotion and is an antiquated concept dating back to when certainty of paternity was important for crap like inheritance of titles. It appears to me that jealousy is borne out of a combination of desire and scarcity. If it's really difficult to get another girl, or if you've "got a lot invested in the relationship" (such as children!), you're going to want to hang on to her, right? I think that kind of jealousy is hard-wired into us; getting and holding on to the best possible mate, and raising a family with her, is "survival of the fittest. " And for her to get the best possible mate and hang on to him "till death do us part, " is the same.

But we aren't "playing that game" when we go out a-mongering, so I can see no proper place for jealousy in "our game. " (Heaven protect me against it!)


As for pussy, I see it as community property. No one person can be guaranteed sole access to it though everyone wants to believe differently. Life becomes a lot simpler once you accept the fact that what you like others will like also.I kind of agree, but I see pussy as HER property. She may rent it to me short-term, lease it to me longer-term, or trade with me for "other valuable consideration; " but if I only paid for a pop, once I've got my pop, she's off my clock and I've got no excuse to be jealous of her next customer. (Even if he's my drinkin' buddy; while he's with her, I can always go upstairs with her girlfriend, right?)

I'd probably feel different if we had contracted to "set up housekeeping" together; but that goes well outside the mongering game, doesn't it?

[Member #2041]

I don't know you guys, I think there's a good possibility that ThatGuy865 really is a man. I don't know about the rest of you, but I've met many AMs (American Men) like him, especially when I was in college. They all said pretty much the same things as TG, and held the same post-feminist views. Some of them even took the Women's Studies classes!
Maybe, but if that's the case, his nads have been snipped off, for sure.

[Chocha Monger]

It's normal to have your share of tiffs with your spouse, but if your relationship with your partner is marked by constant stress and strain, your risk of heart attack increases up to 34 percent, according to a 12-year study of more than 9,000 men and women published in the Archives of Internal Medicine. Researchers found that people who reported chronic conflict in their closest relationship (which, for the majority, was with their spouse) had the highest heart disease risk. The reason: All that anger and stress triggers a flood of hormones that cause the heart to beat faster and pump harder, leading to higher blood pressure and greater wear on cardiac blood vessels. What's more, an unhappy marriage may drive you to heart-harming behaviors such as eating poorly, drinking more or smoking, says Anastasia Georgiades, Ph.D., an assistant research professor in psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Duke University School of Medicine in Durham, N.C.

[Dickhead]

How do you reconcile this with the fact that married men live longer than single men?

[DJ FourMoney]

How do you reconcile this with the fact that married men live longer than single men?

That's what I was was going to say, it rubs against what Ez was saying...

I think the difference is somebody cares about your well-being in general, so they tend to look out for you when you might not think of yourself until its almost too late.

You also tend to ear better meals when your married, provided your wife can cook and we all know how RARE that is these days. The next Census data will be quite telling actually to see what direction this country is going.

[Dickhead]

Furthermore I am quite sure that married men smoke and drink less so what the fuck is this b!tch talking ab out?

"smoking rates were lowest among those who are married or partnered (12.5±1.2%) compared to those never married, divorced, widowed or
separated."

http://www.state.nj.us/health/as/ctcp/documents/social_disparities_in_adult_cigarette_smoking.pdf

Could not quickly find similar data on drinking but since women nag so much it's pretty intuitively obvious. I drink more now than I did when I was married because there is no one to b!tch at me about it.

I think Chocha Monger has been too heavily influenced by Meat Loaf since neither ever bothers to check their facts.

[Chocha Monger]

Dear Dickhead:

After your editorial review and expression of deep reservations I edited the title to read, "Marriage will give you a heart attack!" I think this will address your concerns regarding journalistic accuracy. As always, thanks for keeping Meat Loaf and I in line with your editorial oversight. ;)

Sincerely,

Chocha Monger,

ISG Senior Member

[Goga Fung]

Because being outside the US cost money! LOL

I have the plan, it will work. I just have ONE minor detail to correct (lack of an automobile) which I hope to correct as soon as next pay period (Jan 15th). From that point I'll be able to re-start my second job and double my meager earnings. But I have reduced my bills to FOUR (recently picked up a credit card) and soon I will reduce it to three (insurance, credit card, cell phone).

I should be able to save $1, 000+ a month from I hope Feb through Dec 2010. When my co-worker returns to the Philippines to visit extended family, I will go with him and when I return, he might return to my current employer but I will not.

Between Feb and June, I will be going to school for some training on renewable energies.

By Nov of this year, I will have my European Mission planned and I hope to set foot on European soil by March/April 2011.

Schengen will be dealt with in some way I haven't quite figured out yet.

I am giving myself as much time as I need to complete this mission. (6 months +)Unless you get somehow a job there, I do not think that your saved money will last long in Europe(especially Schengen countries), which also can be more(50% or so) expensive than USA. Plus additional housing expenses.

To get better value for you money, I would go to South America or SE/central Asia.

[Australiasucks]

This Kim Kardashian and her sisters are the epitome of trash. Kim made a name for herself making a porno video of her and some fella, and now she is a celebrity. I was in the States and saw a show about her family, her little sister got pregnant too. If Kim's personality is typical of American women, I guess Australian women suck but still not as bad as what you get in America. American women seem to actively seek to hit new levels of ice and ***** princess.

[Meat Loaf]

As for pussy, I see it as community property. No one person can be guaranteed sole access to it though everyone wants to believe differently. Life becomes a lot simpler once you accept the fact
So true!

So don't worry about "being the only one."

[Chocha Monger]

Maybe, but if that's the case, his nads have been snipped off, for sure.
He certainly has a vagina whether he was born with one or had it surgically created.

[Capt Ajax]

Unless you get somehow a job there, I do not think that your saved money will last long in Europe(especially Schengen countries), which also can be more(50% or so) expensive than USA. Plus additional housing expenses.

To get better value for you money, I would go to South America or SE/central Asia.

Yep, I agree, your savings won't last long in Europe. You'll be broke before you know it. I also agree with GF that you're probably better off going to S America or SE/Central Asia.

[Dickhead]

Except for DJ is not looking for Asians or Latinas. So it's a conundrum.

[Freebie Sevman]

Yep, I agree, your savings won't last long in Europe. You'll be broke before you know it. I also agree with GF that you're probably better off going to S America or SE/Central Asia.Small southern city Sevastopol. 400, 000 or so.

Nice 1 room euro flat. $250 a month.

Utilities. $22 a month.

Many girls can be had for $40 to $60.

Many are FREE, but it still will be $25 (drinks, food, taxi)

Food is cheap! 2. 2 pounds of 'taters' < $1. 00

Beer, 2 liters $1. 80

You can live here cheap, if you stay out of the center and don't go to fancy

Places to eat!

Plus a 50 yr old fat fuck can fuck 20 somethings. and some are even cute!

[Clandestine782]

How do you reconcile this with the fact that married men live longer than single men?Oh, that's an easy calculation! Men who are single are more likely to commit suicide. I was reading a really interesting book on suicide ("Night Falls Fast," by Kay Redfield Jamison), and I very clearly remember her citing the research that demonstrated that single young men under 30 are more likely to commit suicide. So, one (marriage) does not cause the other (longevity). When you go to countries that have fluoride in the water, they also have higher cancer rates. But that is because countries that have enough money to dump fluoride into the water are also a bit richer (on average) and so they will have higher longevity. Cancer is a disease of longevity (this is not a bio forum, so I hope that I can make that assertion and leave it at that), and so that's why you will find more of it in countries where people live longer. But in the case of looking for longevity, you'll find the more married men-- but they are not directly related. From other books that I have read, testosterone gets lowered in men that are married (because they can get more regular sex--I read this in either "The Third Chimpanzee" or some other pop bio. title), but it is much higher in people who don't get sex as often as they want/ need. And we all know that too much testosterone is a very good way to ensure violence. It's just that in the case of suicidal people, the violence is directed against self. Or possibly into doing something else that will get a person killed.

[Opebo]

As for pussy, I see it as community property.

Have you ever read our greatest member (That Asshole, aka Humble Turd) on that topic?

[Chocha Monger]

a lot of american women and their apologists claim that they are smarter than foreign women and this is one of the reasons why many men choose to seek women from abroad. however the whole dahn yoga controversy shows that these women are anything but smart. south korean business man, ilchi lee demonstrates how easy it is not only to get laid but also get money from american women. all that is required is to declare yourself a divinity and build a business model using principles from cults. soon the money and the pussy will come flowing in. lee earns a net $1 million from his us operations alone. american women were taking out loans and running up credit card debit to pay for their own brainwashing and to keep him living a lavish lifestyle.

ilchi lee should have read the american women thread on isg before fucking some of these women though. he might have saved himself some trouble. at the least he would have learned that when an american woman regrets a sexual encounter she decides that it must have been [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). in her mind if she feels remorse about having sex then she must not have given consent. frankly, i can think of a few women i wish i never had sex with and if i thought like an aw i’d be suing them right now for [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). after all, if i regret having sex with them i must not have truly consented therefore they raped me. how could be anything else? it’s so simple.

jade harrelson, a former dahn yoga employee, claims the leaders preyed upon her ignorance about money. she paid about $40,000 to the organization. jade goes further and alleges that ilchi lee gave her the fuck of her life. on camera she said that he took her clothes off and fucked her in various positions at his apartment in seoul, korea. she claims that she just allowed him to remove her clothing and move her body into whatever configuration that pleased him as he fucked the shit out of her. she never protested verbally or resisted physically. now she says that it was a sexual assault two years later because she allowed him to fuck her at the time because she believed that he was a divine being and it would have been wrong to refuse his needs. so it was [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)!


harrelson also said lee singled her out for special attention and eventually sexually assaulted her while she was living and working in seoul, south korea.
she said she trusted lee and saw him as a father figure, eventually following him to seoul -- where, she says, he assaulted her one night in 2007 at his apartment.
"in my mind, there was no possible way i could have physically or verbally resisted him," harrelson told cnn. "to say no to him was to say no to his soul. i became numb, and so what happened, happened not at my consent."
harrelson said she never filed a police report. the first time she publicly made the allegation was when she and other former employees filed suit in early 2009.

[Mike12]

Not a very flattering portrayal of AW's behavior. His granddaughter obnoxious attitude in the beginning and end, or American youth overall in this flick. If Clint Eastwood has to make a point of it in a plot line, then obviously it's something to think about.

[Robert1110]

I usually date ukrainian women but when I am back home in the USA, I meet women online.

I use a different approach than most but to make a long story short, I weed out the game players and losers fairly quickly and end up meeting women who basically understand if we meet (and this is after a lot of discussion about relationships) and hit it off, most likely we are going to end up having sex sooner than later.

The interesting yet common denominator when I meet these women and we subsequently end up having sex, AW seem to be the only women who are already preoccupied with "where the relationship is going". This seems to be the prevailing mind set these women have even before meeting.

Instead of just enjoying the evening together for what it was and looking forward to the next time you get together, AW seem to always want some reassurance or always seem to want to underline every moment with the understanding that there is more than "just sex".

For instance, I recently met a woman, spent hours at her place listening to her talk for nearly 4 hours, we end up getting close, one thing leads to another and she basically leads me into her bedroom and we have sex.

The next day, I receive a very sexually explicit email telling me how many times she has masturbated since I left and she is asking will I came over this coming Saturday. She proceeded to tell me several things she wants to do and wants me to do the next time we have sex.

Everything is fine at this point but I see references in her email to the effect that "there is more to life than sex". I forgot to mention, after sex, we watched a movie on DVD afterwards. In this email she sent, she alludes to perhaps I stayed and watched the movie out of kindness or being nice.

I'd say we spent 3 hours talking, 20-30 minutes of first time sex, 30 minutes preparing an after sex pizza, 20 minutes eating it, and about an hour and a half of watching a movie.

It also was a drive of about 40 minutes one way to her house.

I pointed out that although we spent more time listening me to her talk than we had spent having sex, that she never felt the need to tell me "there is more to live than just talking"

Although we spent more time preparing something to eat, she never pointed out "there is more to life than just preparing dinner".

Although we spent more time eating than screwing, she never felt the need to tell me that "there is more to life than just eating".

Although we spent more time watching a movie, she never felt the need to tell me 'there is more to life than watching just movies"

I also pointed out that it took be longer to drive to her house each way than we spent screwing, she never felt the need to say "there is more to life than driving".

But because we had 20-30 minutes of sex, which she appeared very eager to have and to continue to have. She felt the need to tell me "there is more to life than sex". And suggest that I stayed and watched the movie just to "be nice".

I have seen this in nearly every woman I have had sex with. And, without fail, they run me off and make things so unpleasant, I do not want to return again, even if it IS just to screw them.

AW seem so preoccupied, before there has been ANY chance for ANYTHING to develop, that there HAS to be some sort of understanding that "this is more than just sex".

The women I have relations with in other countries just seem to enjoy he evening for whatever it is, and look forward to seeing each other again. With all the heaviness of "where is this going" and "there is more to life than just sex". Sex you've only had ONCE together.

Just an interesting phenomenon I experience exclusively with AW.

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[Westy]

This quote, from a post on another of Jackson's boards, provokes a painful comparison between the USA and many of the lands where we hunt "the sweetness (we've) been crying for." It's a kind of "wealth," if you will, that underlies the behavior of the AW. Or so I fear:


There is a basic philosophical different between Gringos and Latinos in terms of age segregation (and not just in terms of sexual possibilities) One thing I admire about the Latin culture is people are not defined by age. For example, the elderly are not "warehoused" in old-age homes, they stay with thier families (along with youger adults who in the US would be off to pursue thier independence in thier segregated young community) This I feel is a "seed" for the "ewww, he could be my father" crap we experience in the States.In other, grimmer words, we in the USA are wealthy enough to discard our parents; to "put away" members of our own family, when it's no longer convenient to have them around.

Think about it.

[Robert1110]

This one couldn't keep her mouth shut long enough to get the f**king she wanted:

Long story short. Girl I had a history online with contacts me. We talk. She's horny. Wants some good sex.

She decides to come to my house. She calls and she is close. I ask her where she is and what direction she is going (I bet you know where this is headed).

Based on what she tells me, I give her directions peppered with landmarks. Listening to her, I can see she is going the wrong way. I have her turn around and we proceed to do the same thing, but this time it is even more confusing.

I give her more landmarks, her replies indicate she is seeing nothing that sounds right. Turns out she was going north instead of south, which is the direction she first told me she was going.

It continues to get even more confusing and she gets irritated with me. I explain to her I cannot give her directions and landmarks if I do not know where she is and which direction she is going. And, especially if that information is incorrect, there is nothing I can do to help her.

I forgot to add that she has a GPS device which she left at home, saying "I didn't think it would be this hard" (I live on a state route. It involves getting off the interstate and making NO turns). So she leaves the device that she bought to help her get somewhere at home. While making a first time trip to my home, across the river in another state.

So she continues to get aggravated with me and I have remained calm, simply telling her I cannot help her if she does not know where she is.

So she finally figures out where she is and I give her directions and landmarks and everything is fine. Until.

She drives right past, disregarding everything I just told her: "ok, you are getting close. Slow down. There are these (landmarks) and you go down a slight hill and then up a slight hill".

I ask, "where are you? ". She had driven right by, apparently ignoring detailed directions including to slow down, there is a yard light in my yard. Etc etc.

So she has to turn around again. Finally gets close. Again. And I see her from my front door. I tell her. "slow down, get in the turn lane and go left. Left left left. Now".

She responds by going " nag nag nag nag. " and I tell her, should I have said nothing so you will drive right past. Again?

This is all on our cell phones. I am telling her "just be nice, ok? ". 'I am nice" she says.

She gets in the door and I am pleasant, trying to get past the complete insanity of the situation so we can still pull off the reason she came.

So what does she do? Can she keep he mouth shut long enough to get the sex she wants? Of course not.

She goes right into "I wasn't yelling at you". (I never said she was). And I said "look, if this does not stop, we are not going to have a nice time together".

What does she do? Keeps on trying to argue with me.

I told her to "stop, keep your coat on, turn around and leave. You can't be nice or shut your mouth long enough for this to happen".

And I shut the door as soon as she was gone. Hope it hit her in the ass on the way out.

[Goga Fung]

This quote, from a post on another of Jackson's boards, provokes a painful comparison between the USA and many of the lands where we hunt "the sweetness (we've) been crying for." It's a kind of "wealth," if you will, that underlies the behavior of the AW. Or so I fear:

"There is a basic philosophical different between Gringos and Latinos in terms of age segregation (and not just in terms of sexual possibilities) One thing I admire about the Latin culture is people are not defined by age. For example, the elderly are not "warehoused" in old-age homes, they stay with thier families (along with youger adults who in the US would be off to pursue thier independence in thier segregated young community) This I feel is a "seed" for the "ewww, he could be my father" crap we experience in the States."

In other, grimmer words, we in the USA are wealthy enough to discard our parents; to "put away" members of our own family, when it's no longer convenient to have them around.

Think about it.That's right, and it's not only in Latin culture. Very similar stuff can be found in other parts of the world. - People stay very close to their families or live with them.

Another part of the "problem" is in the language. When you talk to a person in English, there is only one form "you". Although it is plural, it basically means I don't give a shit who I am talking to. If it's 5 y.o. or 100 y.o. - no difference.

While in Spanish and other languages there are two forms. In Colombia it was interesting to hear from one girl who is younger than me - she always talks to me with "Usted"(formal) forms of words. As she was taught to talk in a formal way to any person who is older than her. Similarly I see the same formal(polite) way of talking in FSU, mostly in Central Asia - in countries with Muslim culture.

If somebody is older than you(they can be still young people), they automatically get respect from younger people. And the more older people, more respect they get. Even though a person is very poor or whatever younger people would talk to him with respect.

In USA nobody gives a shit. Anybody can curse and yell at anybody. Respect in USA usually depends on the amount of money and/or fame.

That could be another reason why you have here this rudeness/loudness in AW(actually including many foreign women in USA too) and why AM run away from them.

If you stare at an AW, you can easily hear "WTF are you looking at?" I don't think you can hear this from a woman in Latin or Muslim countries.

[DJ FourMoney]

Except for DJ is not looking for Asians or Latinas. So it's a conundrum.

Oh stop, I'm going down to SA soon enough. I also have plans to go to Philippines with a co-worker at the end of 2010. I would go to China as well, I got some great tips about HK from a former manger who is Chinese.

I'm selective, not THAT selective...

[DJ FourMoney]

Unless you get somehow a job there, I do not think that your saved money will last long in Europe(especially Schengen countries), which also can be more(50% or so) expensive than USA. Plus additional housing expenses.

To get better value for you money, I would go to South America or SE/central Asia.

Would be considerably less if I shacked up with somebody now wouldn't it? ;)

I just don't wanna work on any European contacts until I'm closer to going, it worked well last time (Thanks the Kiev forum for that suggestion).

Job? I haven't quite worked that out yet. They are started to use protectionism quite a bit, we'll see how that happens.

Hey I would go down to SA or SEA, but do those women want me? I don't know that yet. I'll be testing the waters in SA soon enough.

[DJ FourMoney]

Small southern city Sevastopol. 400, 000 or so.

Nice 1 room euro flat. $250 a month.

Utilities. $22 a month.

Many girls can be had for $40 to $60.

Many are FREE, but it still will be $25 (drinks, food, taxi)

Food is cheap! 2. 2 pounds of 'taters' < $1. 00

Beer, 2 liters $1. 80

You can live here cheap, if you stay out of the center and don't go to fancy

Places to eat!

Plus a 50 yr old fat fuck can fuck 20 somethings. and some are even cute!

I've seen your thread and pictures, be safe Hunter. Eastern Europe is dirt cheap if you stay out of the major cities. Thumbs Up!

[Gentleman Travel]

I usually date ukrainian women but when I am back home in the USA, I meet women online.

The interesting yet common denominator when I meet these women and we subsequently end up having sex, AW seem to be the only women who are already preoccupied with "where the relationship is going". This seems to be the prevailing mind set these women have even before meeting.

Instead of just enjoying the evening together for what it was and looking forward to the next time you get together, AW seem to always want some reassurance or always seem to want to underline every moment with the understanding that there is more than "just sex".
I agree. I was recently trying to chat up a couple of hot, but no longer in their prime, women at a resort in Jamaica. These women (no longer girls) work in the travel business, so travel a lot, always together. Both of them were very attractive and highly desirable - to a middle-aged guy like me.

It became clear that they hoped to meet guys on trips like this, but equally clear that they weren't just going to hop into bed with some random guy (like me), it had to have the potential to turn into a relationship.

This is fucked up for so many reasons...
First, if they want relationships, they had better fish in home waters. Hooking up with guy at a tourist resort is a recipe for 'hit and run'.
Second, they have now spent years going to exotic resorts and ending up without romance, or even sex (well, they probably gave in sometimes) and just disappointment.
Third, they need to invest sexual energy into developing a relationship. Make the sex good enough and the guy might fall in love. Asking him to fall in love before sex is long odds.

[Robert1110]

I agree. I was recently trying to chat up a couple of hot, but no longer in their prime, women at a resort in Jamaica. These women (no longer girls) work in the travel business, so travel a lot, always together. Both of them were very attractive and highly desirable. To a middle-aged guy like me.

It became clear that they hoped to meet guys on trips like this, but equally clear that they weren't just going to hop into bed with some random guy (like me), it had to have the potential to turn into a relationship.

This is fucked up for so many reasons.

First, if they want relationships, they had better fish in home waters. Hooking up with guy at a tourist resort is a recipe for 'hit and run'.

Second, they have now spent years going to exotic resorts and ending up without romance, or even sex (well, they probably gave in sometimes) and just disappointment.

Third, they need to invest sexual energy into developing a relationship. Make the sex good enough and the guy might fall in love. Asking him to fall in love before sex is long odds.my bet if some native guy (you know the kind. They prowl the resorts looking for (usually) american women).

Those same women you met, if they meet a guy that 1) no one back home will know 2) they know it will lead to nothing, will go ahead a f**k the guys brains out. And when they return home to the USA, they will pretend they have never had a one night stand or sex for the sake of having sex.

Or, these same woman will f**k the alpha/lover males knowing theyare not relationship material yet when they meet a beta/provider, they will not put out. Because, afterall, he wants a relationship.

I am in my 50's and come from a small town. There was this one very good looking girl that everyone knew. Always single, not any apparent boyfriend but she had a reputation of NEVER giving it up.

Well, I come to find out that when this girl would leave town, it was a completely different story.

I found this out in an interesting way. We were good friends. So I once invited her on a road trip out west to retrieve a motorcycle I had left in CA. I even used cars from something called "AA driveaway", a place where people who move but cannot take all their cars with them. This agency will find drivers like me who will pay for the gas for the use of the car to get it to where ever it is supposed to go. Anyway, I end up with a trans am or something like that.

So as soon as we get to our first destination, she is off with a guy and I do not see her for the 2 or 3 days, and not until we are scheduled to leave and go to our next destination. It was apparent she went home with this guy and f**ked his brains out for 2-3 days straight. Then we're off to our next destination and the same thing happens. This time I got invited to the party. Lots of guys and they were all over her. I would not doubt had I not been there, she'd have done them all.

Again, I leave and I do not see her for a few days (maybe she did do them all). And we retrieve my motorcycle, find another car for the drive back. And once back at home, she is ms. Little goodie two shoes who seems like a virgin.

I told this to my brother who was friends with one of this woman's girlfriends and once he heard my story, he told me his.

This same woman, while in high school or just out, would go to florida with her girlfriend. And once there, she would disappear for the entire 2 weeks, leaving her friend to fend for herself while she is out f**king someone, the entire vacation. Her friend was upset for being left alone for the entire vacation.

Just an interesting story about how some women act. Or I would say most. At home or among people they know, they act one way. Yet when on vacation or in an environment where they are anonymous and word will not get back home. Then watch what happens.

[Capt Ajax]

Here's some advice.....you're wasting your time trying to pick up an unattached woman with a girlfriend in tow. It's just NOT going to happen. Stick to the single ones with no friends around and you'll make out like a bandito.


I agree. I was recently trying to chat up a couple of hot, but no longer in their prime, women at a resort in Jamaica. These women (no longer girls) work in the travel business, so travel a lot, always together. Both of them were very attractive and highly desirable - to a middle-aged guy like me.

It became clear that they hoped to meet guys on trips like this, but equally clear that they weren't just going to hop into bed with some random guy (like me), it had to have the potential to turn into a relationship.

This is fucked up for so many reasons...
First, if they want relationships, they had better fish in home waters. Hooking up with guy at a tourist resort is a recipe for 'hit and run'.
Second, they have now spent years going to exotic resorts and ending up without romance, or even sex (well, they probably gave in sometimes) and just disappointment.
Third, they need to invest sexual energy into developing a relationship. Make the sex good enough and the guy might fall in love. Asking him to fall in love before sex is long odds.

[Robert1110]

Here's some advice. You're wasting your time trying to pick up an unattached woman with a girlfriend in tow. It's just NOT going to happen. Stick to the single ones with no friends around and you'll make out like a bandito.this is spot on. "girlfriends" never want one of their friends being any less miserable than they are so if a woman even started acting like she is interested in some guy, her "girlfriend(s)" will do their best to sabotage anything good happening.

The only other possibility is if you are able to separate her from her friends and have a place just outside the resort area. Her friends will not see her going to your place.

Most of the women I get along with do not really gave any girlfriends. They know how truly rotten and backstabbing most "girlfriends" can be and are.

Isn't it amazing how universally disliked AW are? They do not even truly like each other.

[Chocha Monger]

I agree. I was recently trying to chat up a couple of hot, but no longer in their prime, women at a resort in Jamaica. These women (no longer girls) work in the travel business, so travel a lot, always together. Both of them were very attractive and highly desirable - to a middle-aged guy like me.

It became clear that they hoped to meet guys on trips like this, but equally clear that they weren't just going to hop into bed with some random guy (like me), it had to have the potential to turn into a relationship.

This is fucked up for so many reasons...
First, if they want relationships, they had better fish in home waters. Hooking up with guy at a tourist resort is a recipe for 'hit and run'.
Second, they have now spent years going to exotic resorts and ending up without romance, or even sex (well, they probably gave in sometimes) and just disappointment.
Third, they need to invest sexual energy into developing a relationship. Make the sex good enough and the guy might fall in love. Asking him to fall in love before sex is long odds.
The problem with trying to pick up American women in Jamaica or other Caribbean islands is that those women who are there without husbands or boyfriends have something in mind other than American men. They can have all the American men they want back home. These unattached American women in Jamaica are looking for a young, lean, muscled Mandingo with an enormous dick and an exotic accent to fuck them relentlessly all night until they tap out like Ultimate Fighting Championship contestants. Unless you fit that description you’re wasting your time approaching those women. To them you represent the old familiar paradigm back home of limited sexual access in return for financial security and life long commitment. The young Jamaican men represent the forbidden raw sexual adventures that they cannot experience back home because of societal expectations. They spent large sums of money on plane tickets and hotel resorts to live out their fantasies about the big bamboo. The locals consider them milk bottles because of their yearning to be filled in a way never quite experienced at home. They are there for the Jamaican milkman.

[DJ FourMoney]

The problem with trying to pick up American women in Jamaica or other Caribbean islands is that those women who are there without husbands or boyfriends have something in mind other than American men. They can have all the American men they want back home. These unattached American women in Jamaica are looking for a young, lean, muscled Mandingo with an enormous dick and an exotic accent to fuck them relentlessly all night until they tap out like Ultimate Fighting Championship contestants. Unless you fit that description you’re wasting your time approaching those women. To them you represent the old familiar paradigm back home of limited sexual access in return for financial security and life long commitment. The young Jamaican men represent the forbidden raw sexual adventures that they cannot experience back home because of societal expectations. They spent large sums of money on plane tickets and hotel resorts to live out their fantasies about the big bamboo. The locals consider them milk bottles because of their yearning to be filled in a way never quite experienced at home. They are there for the Jamaican milkman.

I couldn't agree more. Western Women are not going to the Caribbean to see the culture. Anybody that tells you that shit is lying through their teeth. They are going to party and have a good time without the fear of backlash for their activities.

[Furysys]

CM, absolutely true. I remember years ago in Turks & Caicos when we went scuba diving and asked the instructor about any possibilities, he told us the same thing, the local girls are (at least maybe then) pretty tough, and as for the vacationers, good luck. They were there to taste hot Caribbean cock and had no time or interest for any Canuck that they could always bang back home.

[One Eyed Man]

I couldn't agree more. Western Women are not going to the Caribbean to see the culture. Anybody that tells you that shit is lying through their teeth. They are going to party and have a good time without the fear of backlash for their activities.

American women tend to become wild when you get them outside their normal lives, though I think Europeans can also let go when on vacation. Ever see upstanding nice girls from the Midwest in Mexico for Spring Break? They turn into total wild sex machines, but when their vacation is over, it's back to classes or the library or hospital where they work.

[DJ FourMoney]

American women tend to become wild when you get them outside their normal lives, though I think Europeans can also let go when on vacation. Ever see upstanding nice girls from the Midwest in Mexico for Spring Break? They turn into total wild sex machines, but when their vacation is over, it's back to classes or the library or hospital where they work.

You mean on major college campuses? Save for he dudes that couldn't get laid in a *****house, college chicks especially freshmen tend to get in a cycle of parties, drinking and sex.

Nurses tend to keep strange hours because of their work schedule, I've met one or two at swingers parties.

But point taken...

[Chocha Monger]

this quote, from a post on another of jackson's boards, provokes a painful comparison between the usa and many of the lands where we hunt "the sweetness (we've) been crying for." it's a kind of "wealth," if you will, that underlies the behavior of the aw. or so i fear:

in other, grimmer words, we in the usa are wealthy enough to discard our parents; to "put away" members of our own family, when it's no longer convenient to have them around.

think about it.
westy:

the gross out factor that american chicks have when it comes to older men is part instinctive and part cultural. in the wild female animals will often shun older mates because they are more likely to be diseased and weak. this is particularly true in species where the male helps in the rearing of the young or maintains territory with resources needed for survival. in america children remain with their parents until at least 18 yrs of age and if they go to college they can leech off their parents’ resources well into their early twenties. so a male in his fifties is not exactly an appealing mate to a girl 18-24 yrs old. he can die or become infirm leaving her with the burden of raising his offspring on her own or while caring for him too.

american culture rejects anything old or used. youthfulness is worshipped and new models of everything are quickly bought up. cell phones are changed each year and cars are traded in for new models every 2 to 3 years. if you’re 5 yrs older than an american chick she will consider you old and out of touch with whatever current fads her peer group is preoccupied with at the moment. if you’re actually old enough to be her dad the thought of associating with you in under any unchaste circumstances will be revolving to her. i don’t think american women are grossed out by older family members but they are grossed out by anyone 7 yrs older than they are who wants to fuck them. of course, if you’re very rich and loose with your money it could help overcome the ewww pervert factor.

[Goga Fung]

Today I got an email promoting a group for 30+ year old men("Pups") to date 50+year old women("Panthers") in NYC. How desperate some people must be getting in NYC in order to do that.

I'm not an expert in English, but isn't it some kinda offensive or just fucked up for a 30+ year old man to be called a "PUP"?

In any case I'm sticking to 18-28 year old women,

Also find this shit funny:

Meetup.com/Panthers-and-Pups

Meetup topics

Singles, Singles 30's-50's, Socializing with other Singles over 50., Wingman, Single Men Over 35, Younger Men Dating Older Women, Single Moms, Single Parents, Newly Single Women 40+

Welcome to an unique concept of sophisticated women in their 50's that prefer exciting young men in their 30's.

Ladies to join this group, you will have to successful, accomplished, independent and attractive.

Gentleman, to join this group you will have to be well groomed, well dressed and well spoken.

If you meet the criteria and are looking for companionship or romantic interludes, then this group is for you.

[Chocha Monger]

I been around a while and I never had a male friend stab me in the back over pussy. But that might be because I grew to consider pussy to be fairly fungible. It also might be because I have "Don't Fuck With Me" pretty much tattooed on my forehead.

Hanging out with a lot of mongers for a few years, I found them even less likely to engage in such shenanigans because pussy became fungible to them too. One other monger and I fucked a couple of dozen of the same women and we agreed that if we ever did not want the other to fuck someone we would just say so. He said so a very few times but I never did.

At this point I could even have a "steady girlfriend" and I would not care if she fucked the entire Bolivian Navy. Jealousy = vulnerability and not giving a shit = true empowerment.

Jealousy is a very ugly emotion and is an antiquated concept dating back to when certainty of paternity was important for crap like inheritance of titles. Fuck all that shit. Meritocracy should predominate.

It's interesting when friends come to visit and I offer my women friends to them. They will say stuff like, "Hey, your friend is really cute" and I say, "Do you want to fuck her? Because that can be arranged." Lots of times they start out being really horrified by this and lots of times they end up fucking them within a very short period of time.
There are basically two classes of mongers. The first class consists of mongers who can get pussy via convention relationship and avenues but for some reason chooses to monger out of convenience or desire for variety. The second monger consists of mongers who cannot get pussy via conventional means due to a number of reasons. Some reasons may be difficulty interacting with others, ugliness, age, obesity, financial failure, low social status, perversion, poor person hygiene, abusiveness, habitual drunkenness, and being lame in general. These are the kinds of guys that show girls their photos on ISG and tell them who gave out their contact information. They’re pathetic creatures who really, really want women to love them. That these women are prostitutes being paid to do a job doesn’t matter to them. Even the illusion of female affection is good enough for them. They will even stab the person who helped them get the pussy in the back and think nothing of it. Think about some of the unsavory creatures you see prowling the crack infested streets looking to score some pussy off a crack head, or some of the guys that make the sex offender’s registry for more than just soliciting. A lot of long time board members tell horror stories about having met mongers from the second category.

[Yogin]

CM, I don't believe that mongers can so easily be divided into two distinct groups. It's more of a continuum, with a fair amount of commonality among all mongers. Another way to interpret "desire for variety" would be to call it "sex addiction", very much in the class of behaviors with drunks and other addicts. In my view the only difference among mongers is those with or without personality disorders, as in anti-social or narcissistic personality disorder. An example of that would be posting an action photo with the caption "Here I'm fucking her hard in the ass. Look at her pained expression. Funny, huh?"

I find it humorous "conventional wisdom" dictates that guys monger because they can't get it or that it's too much of a hassle any other way. In the US it is a pain either way, while in many parts of the world it's relatively easy to get it in any manner. It's no coincidence that in many of the so-called mongering paradises - Asia, Eastern Europe, Latin America - I've gotten plenty of high quality pussy for free from high class professional women including a recent (previously) virgin from South America, with none of the complicated BS I get from AW.

[Chocha Monger]

Nothing here to disagree with. Only thing that I'll never understand is why some guys ride a plane halfway around the world only to choose to pay a fat, old or ugly thing to have sex with them? It's like it is a sub-conscious urge to select something that is similar to what they'd be getting at home. Everyone has no doubt at one time or another seen this phenomena. To me, this proves the point that experience with AW has you conditioned to accept something sub-standard. And that's sad. Shouldn't be that way.
American men don’t discard years of socialization and beliefs just because they visit or become residents of other countries. They keep behaving in much the same way they did at home. In fact, they are more likely to change their new environment than the other way around. Take a look at some areas abroad that have a large American expat population and large numbers of American tourists. San Jose, Costa Rica, for example, was once a monger’s paradise with cheap sex and friendly girls. As the expat community grew and tourists over ran the place there were more and more guys letting their wallets do the talking as is the custom in America. It wasn’t long before the prices and the attitudes of the girls became similar to what is found in the US. All the familiar fast food restaurants that Americans crave while abroad sprang up and began to change the girls’ figures to the more ample porcine form common to females in the States. The American love for big tits also meant more of the girls started getting silicone enhanced chests. Many guys even pay for these “bolt on” abominations. Most of the guys showing up were beta males who didn’t get much, if any, pussy at home. The girls quickly learned that they would cave in to their demands and jacked the prices up. The large population of beta males who were easy prey meant more of the girls who showed up in the bars were cold and efficient sharks.

So in a sense the guys are subconsciously creating the same situations that they left behind at home. In fact, they never really left it behind because they carry it around inside of them. When you see a guy paying for a root with a hooker who is blind, crippled or crazy it’s because he has done so his entire life. The fact that he got on a plane is not going to change his behavior. Just look at the number of guys who catch Pretty Woman Syndrome and marry hookers or put them on generous monthly Western Union stipends.

[Mein Dick]

There is only one kind of man who pays for sex- men who like sex. The mongers of the world are just a reflection of the general male population between the ages of puberty and senility. Some are nice, relatively decent guys. Some are sociopaths. Some may normally have trouble getting laid or may be going through a dry spell. Some may get laid all the time for "free" but go to the prostitutes anyway. Some are poor. Some are multi-billionaires. Some are (otherwise) law-abiding. Some are career criminals. Some are young. Some are old.

Basically any man who likes to have sex with other people can be a monger.

[Goga Fung]

Nothing here to disagree with. Only thing that I'll never understand is why some guys ride a plane halfway around the world only to choose to pay a fat, old or ugly thing to have sex with them? It's like it is a sub-conscious urge to select something that is similar to what they'd be getting at home. Everyone has no doubt at one time or another seen this phenomena. To me, this proves the point that experience with AW has you conditioned to accept something sub-standard. And that's sad. Shouldn't be that way.
San Jose, Costa Rica, for example, was once a monger's paradise with cheap sex and friendly girls. As the expat community grew and tourists over ran the place there were more and more guys letting their wallets do the talking as is the custom in America. It wasn't long before the prices and the attitudes of the girls became similar to what is found in the US.

So in a sense the guys are subconsciously creating the same situations that they left behind at home. In fact, they never really left it behind because they carry it around inside of them. When you see a guy paying for a root with a hooker who is blind, crippled or crazy it's because he has done so his entire life. The fact that he got on a plane is not going to change his behavior. Just look at the number of guys who catch Pretty Woman Syndrome and marry hookers or put them on generous monthly Western Union stipends.Yeah, that's extremely sad. I have also noticed in Brazil and Colombia some gringos hanging out with some substandard women. I was kinda stunned to see a gringo sitting with a fat ugly Brazilean girl in a Copacabana restaurant. Why travel half the world for that? Also around the now shutdown disco Help, whiile there are were many stunning girls, there were also a bunch of nasty skunks, meaning that some people would take them as well. I guess they would be cheaper.

The problem is that it gives girls bad message. Now they know that even ugly girls can get attention and money from gringos. So there is not much incentive to take care about themselves. Simply what is happening a lot in the USA.

[Chocha Monger]

Some guys love ugly girls. They may be surrounded by hundreds of beautiful girls but they will always zero in on the girl that looks like she was beaten with an ugly stick and then mauled by a snow leopard. The concept of a guy actually preferring ugly girls over girls with the face of a beauty queen and the curves of an hour glass seems counterintuitive but let us examine that a little closer.

If a guy is in great shape, handsome and loves getting attention what better way to attract stares than being seen publicly in romantic situations with the ugliest girl he can find? The pretty girls are definitely going to stare at this apparent mismatch. And they are certainly going to wonder what she has that they do not. They will think that the guy is really in love and might want that kind of blind love for themselves. After all, women know that beauty and youth are as fleeting as cherry blossoms. Ironically, the key to being desired by many beautiful women might be to simply love the fattest most hideous woman you can find.

Many older guys want the illusion of being loved by a younger woman. For them it is all about the girlfriend experience. In a paid sex situation a beautiful woman is less likely to waste her time providing fantasies when she can make tricks come as fast as possible then move on to the next paying customer. An ugly girl will not have this kind of volume so selling the fantasy of a younger girlfriend for a bigger pay off in the form of gifts and tips is a better strategy. You will hear many tricks say that if a girl is a 9 in looks on a scale from 1 to 10 her attitude when it comes to servicing them will be anything but a girlfriend experience. So if you want to feel loved it best to pick out the chick that looks like Quasimodo’s sister from the line up and take a pass on Esmeralda.

Ugly girls aim to please. They try harder to make you happy and best of all they do not have an ego. American guys learn from an early age that if they want to score they are better off taking Miss Butter Face to the dance because they will be lucky to even get a peck on the cheek at the end of the night from Miss Hot Thing. Miss Butter Face will sometimes have a smoking body open to exploration and penetration. A practical guy would much rather enjoy some satisfying doggy style sex in the back seat of a Chevy with Miss Face instead of going back home alone to a frantic solitary masturbation session before the scent of Miss Thing’s perfume fades away.

[Goga Fung]

... In a paid sex situation a beautiful woman is less likely to waste her time providing fantasies when she can make tricks come as fast as possible then move on to the next paying customer. An ugly girl will not have this kind of volume so selling the fantasy of a younger girlfriend for a bigger pay off in the form of gifts and tips is a better strategy. You will hear many tricks say that if a girl is a 9 in looks on a scale from 1 to 10 her attitude when it comes to servicing them will be anything but a girlfriend experience. So if you want to feel loved it best to pick out the chick that looks like Quasimodo’s sister from the line up and take a pass on Esmeralda.

Ugly girls aim to please. They try harder to make you happy and best of all they do not have an ego....CM,

From my experience it is not the case. I cannot see direct dependency of the quality of service on the girls' ugliness. I got some of the worst service from ugly USA and Canada hookers. And the best service from very beautiful(8-9-10 looks) Brazilian, Czech, Slovak, Russian, and Colombian girls. It more depends on the particular girl, her mood, personality, culture, environment, your personal connection with her and money. Of course some beauties are not good, but I would still risk and go for a beauty hoping she is good than doing an ugly one only to regret about it later anyway.

[Vaquero]

A cute sounding chicana I regularly deal with over the phone has invited me to have lunch with her next time I'm in San Diego.

She has a voice from the heavens. Unfortunately, to me that often is a fishing lure to get an ugly one. Potentially fat.

Been trying to search images of her on-line, but no luck. I'd probably rather keep her as a working colleague than worry that she'll hate me for life if I stick her and leave.

The days of innocently exploring trim seems to have dwindled. It's always lease to buy for them.

[Bango Cheito]

HAHAHAH dickhead you said basically EXACTLY what I just said in the Morality thread...

I think the main reason Americans wind up with the low hanging fruit abroad is that their perception simply lacks. My standards in the year and a half I have been here in Colombia have gone WAY up from where they were previously. I had a hard time even finding a girl in NY that I wanted to look twice at the last time I was up a few weeks ago. I've gone very much native in that regard now.
I'm also a lot pickier about my own self. I never would have dreamed to have been in such good shape again, but I want to be even better, because here the bar is just higher, for men AND for women. I can get laid here, but if I really want that smoking hot girl that looked like she just stepped out of a magazine, I need to step up!

[Capt Ajax]

CM,

From my experience it is not the case. I cannot see direct dependency of the quality of service on the girls' ugliness. I got some of the worst service from ugly USA and Canada hookers. And the best service from very beautiful(8-9-10 looks) Brazilian, Czech, Slovak, Russian, and Colombian girls. It more depends on the particular girl, her mood, personality, culture, environment, your personal connection with her and money. Of course some beauties are not good, but I would still risk and go for a beauty hoping she is good than doing an ugly one only to regret about it later anyway.

I think CM is correct with respect to AW or foreign women living in the U.S.

[ThatGuy865]

I passed this on for your education. So some could learn about gradification to stick with AW, not relocation they have class and sophistication will please you all night til ejaculation.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100119/ap_on_bi_ge/us_marriage_economics

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,394561,00.html

http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200407/secrets-married-men

just a paragraph from the last link:

"In general, extramarital sex is not as good as marital sex. On average, married couples have more sex than any other group. The bottom line is affairs can be prevented. It's all in the choices you make."

Sorry I had to add this one last post ... Mr Thatguy

[Chocha Monger]

Big boobs make men stupid. Recent research proves That Asshole was right when he said talking to and spending time with women can make men stupid.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6132718/Men-lose-their-minds-speaking-to-pretty-women.html

[Meat Loaf]

Chocha Monger's posts are superb which is why he's a ISG Legend!

[Chocha Monger]

It seems like our favorite American woman supporter is back after throwing a hissy fit and declaring that he/she had made his/her last post. What was the purpose of this reappearance? Surprise, surprise! It was to tell us that American women are not that bad. In fact, they are the best women for us. Apparently, American men don’t have the good sense to judge for themselves so we need him/her to tell us just what is best for us in true American woman fashion. This personality tells us to stay home, grin and bear it while he/she goes off to Angeles City, Philippines to have gratuitous sex with cheap prostitutes. Still we are to take as gospel his/her statement that extramarital sex is not as good as marital sex. “Do as I say, not as I do!” typical American woman talking.

Apparently, those tight little Asian pussies must be quite satisfying for extramarital sex because I doubt Dr Phyllis would pay the airfare and suffer the long flight there to engage in it if they were not. What happened to all the wonderful American women here at home? Then in a stroke of slyness only an American woman can manage, Dr Phyllis posted an excerpt from an article but doesn’t tell the whole story. Here is what you didn’t see.

“Marriage also lowers men's health risk, while divorce raises the risk of death by 200 percent for men.”

Well, thank you very much. I’m sure guys are just dying to get married because they may or may not get more frequent sex. Of course, let’s forget that there is a very good chance that they’ll get divorced and raise their risk of death by 200 percent. So at best they take a gamble on getting a little more sex of dubious quality with a 50 percent chance of increasing their odds of dying by 200 percent. It seems to me that smart guys would just pass on this deal altogether.

I must have missed the thread where guys are raving about how better the marital sex gets as the ravages of time and childbirth take their toll on their wives’ bodies. After all, nothing makes one’s dick hard as a well birthed pussy, sagging mammaries, stretch marks and cellulite.

[Crazy Jim Wood]

how wrong you are... not all women age well but many do hence the milf phenomenon and the cougar phenomenon.
i would take a hot milf with big jugs over a skinny 18-yo any day of the week.
sure i would take an 18-yo with big jugs over a milf with small jugs, because even if she doesn't know what she's doing i do.
of course extramarital sex is much better.
even if the instance of extramarital sex in question is not as good as the marital sex, it is MORe sex and more sex is always better.
but you can't get extramarital sex without being married or without fucking a married woman.
so marriage is the key element of extramarital sex and without being married or fucking a married woman you will never enjoy extramarital sex.
take some time to analyze the logic in these statements before making your non sequitur.

It seems like our favorite American woman supporter is back after throwing a hissy fit and declaring that he/she had made his/her last post. What was the purpose of this reappearance? Surprise, surprise! It was to tell us that American women are not that bad. In fact, they are the best women for us. Apparently, American men don’t have the good sense to judge for themselves so we need him/her to tell us just what is best for us in true American woman fashion. This personality tells us to stay home, grin and bear it while he/she goes off to Angeles City, Philippines to have gratuitous sex with cheap prostitutes. Still we are to take as gospel his/her statement that extramarital sex is not as good as marital sex. “Do as I say, not as I do!” typical American woman talking.

Apparently, those tight little Asian pussies must be quite satisfying for extramarital sex because I doubt Dr Phyllis would pay the airfare and suffer the long flight there to engage in it if they were not. What happened to all the wonderful American women here at home? Then in a stroke of slyness only an American woman can manage, Dr Phyllis posted an excerpt from an article but doesn’t tell the whole story. Here is what you didn’t see.

“Marriage also lowers men's health risk, while divorce raises the risk of death by 200 percent for men.”

Well, thank you very much. I’m sure guys are just dying to get married because they may or may not get more frequent sex. Of course, let’s forget that there is a very good chance that they’ll get divorced and raise their risk of death by 200 percent. So at best they take a gamble on getting a little more sex of dubious quality with a 50 percent chance of increasing their odds of dying by 200 percent. It seems to me that smart guys would just pass on this deal altogether.

I must have missed the thread where guys are raving about how better the marital sex gets as the ravages of time and childbirth take their toll on their wives’ bodies. After all, nothing makes one’s dick hard as a well birthed pussy, sagging mammaries, stretch marks and cellulite.

[Ass Lover]

Then in a stroke of slyness only an American woman can manage, Dr Phyllis posted an excerpt from an article but doesn’t tell the whole story. Here is what you didn’t see.

“Marriage also lowers men's health risk, while divorce raises the risk of death by 200 percent for men.”Well, don't forget that studies show that marriage appeared to reduce a man’s risk of developing health problems by more than 10 percent. Only 10%! If the divorce rate is 50%, it seems like marriage raises men's risk of death by 95%.

let me put it in a simple way. If an investment broker tells you that you have 50% chance to get 10% more money back while 50% chance to lost not only your initial investment but same amount $ more from your savings/401k or whatever accounts you have, will you kick him out? However, when facing the similiar statistics with marriage in mind and pu**y in sight, a lot of guys say "yes, I do." Maybe men are stupid.

btw, the divorce rate is much higher than 50%.

50% percent of first marriages, 67% of second and 74% of third marriages end in divorce, according to Jennifer Baker of the Forest Institute of Professional Psychology in Springfield, Missouri.

[ThatGuy865]

It seems like our favorite American woman supporter is back after throwing a hissy fit and declaring that he/she had made his/her last post. What was the purpose of this reappearance? Surprise, surprise! It was to tell us that American women are not that bad. In fact, they are the best women for us. This personality tells us to stay home, grin and bear it while he/she goes off to Angeles City, Philippines to have gratuitous sex with cheap prostitutes. Still we are to take as gospel his/her statement that extramarital sex is not as good as marital sex. “Do as I say, not as I do!” typical American woman talking.

Apparently, those tight little Asian pussies must be quite satisfying for extramarital sex because I doubt Dr Phyllis would pay the airfare and suffer the long flight there to engage in it if they were not. What happened to all the wonderful American women here at home? .Cm,

Let me clarify one thing. I have NEVER stated one time that it isn't fun to monger overseas. Yes I participate, but the MAJOR difference is I also APPRECIATE AW. I still date/pursue/fuck AW. They are my bread and butter. Just one might love strawberry ice cream. Just because they eat vanilla or choclate sometimes doesn't mean they stopped loving strawberry.

I relate to AW better, culturally. No explanation is needed with coloquialisms. I don't have to breakdown every expression. I know communication is probably not important to some on this forum. Its strictly about bustin a nut and moving on. But I also like to enjoy a womans company, which includes communicating.

[Chocha Monger]

Oh, oh! I think I fucked up and died because the last time I checked this site was called International Sex Guide, not American Bride. It must be a conspiracy. Some guys on ISG must be divorce attorneys. They try so hard to convince me that American women are the best for me. Get married, have kids, get divorced then live a life full of remorse. Get dragged through divorce court, the judge fucks you over and you get your salad tossed. Pay alimony and child support if not in this economy there is always the penitentiary. You cower at the sound of approaching feet because Big Bob is there to kick in your teeth, and serve up steaming cock meat. You’re suicidal after the treat and your own kids call you deadbeat. No thanks man! Keep promoting American women all that you can, but they will never be part of my plan.

[Oh Ya Papi]

fuck marrage. i agree i have traveled extensively and my world is big. AW are generally not good enough for me. leave AW for the boring stiffs that don't travel, and think they don't pay for it. never been married never will. fuck that guy!!!! CM is way right and this IS ISG, no?


Oh, oh! I think I fucked up and died because the last time I checked this site was called International Sex Guide, not American Bride. It must be a conspiracy. Some guys on ISG must be divorce attorneys. They try so hard to convince me that American women are the best for me. Get married, have kids, get divorced then live a life full of remorse. Get dragged through divorce court, the judge fucks you over and you get your salad tossed. Pay alimony and child support if not in this economy there is always the penitentiary. You cower at the sound of approaching feet because Big Bob is there to kick in your teeth, and serve up steaming cock meat. You’re suicidal after the treat and your own kids call you deadbeat. No thanks man! Keep promoting American women all that you can, but they will never be part of my plan.

[Westy]

I spent my twenties and my thirties dreaming that there might be a woman who would "be my other half, " who would cleave unto me and make my life whole and complete and happy. I spent my thirties and forties learning why this would be impossible in the USA. Now, at 55, all I can see here is "Get a wife, give up on having a life. "

My conviction is that no AM less than 10 years older and 50 pounds heavier than me would think I was worth even the time of day. OTOH, there have been enough girls in Southern Cone who acted as if I could be a worthy catch.


I passed this on for your education. So some could learn about gradification to stick with AW, not relocation they have class and sophistication will please you all night til ejaculation.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100119/ap_on_bi_ge/us_marriage_economics

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,394561,00.html

http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200407/secrets-married-men

just a paragraph from the last link:

"In general, extramarital sex is not as good as marital sex. On average, married couples have more sex than any other group. The bottom line is affairs can be prevented. It's all in the choices you make."

Sorry I had to add this one last post ... Mr Thatguy

[ThatGuy865]

fuck marrage. I agree I have traveled extensively and my world is big. AW are generally not good enough for me. Leave AW for the boring stiffs that don't travel, and think they don't pay for it. Never been married never will. Fuck that guy! CM is way right and this IS ISG, no?I believe this is the OPINION Thread about AMERICAN Women. It doesn't BASHING American Women. But Opinions on AW. You got yours. Others have there's. What is good for you, doesn't make it good for others.

[Voyajer1]

I completely disagree with your statement. Why would anyone talk highly of a group of women that do mostly harm to us men? AW spend hours upon hours talking nonsense about how men mistreat them, ignore them, take them for granted, and so on. Guess what? There are always two sides to any story: Hers and HIS. You have a lot of women advocates out there with a one sided approach to all relationship problems, just watch daytime TV and take your pick. Is there anyone speaking out or defending the men? Of course not!!!
So please, this is one of the few places on this planet where we can speak relatively freely about how we feel about the imbalance in all relationships. This is one of the few places where men can express their opinions without being suffocated by the pro-AW world. So if a guy has to BASH a few women to get his point accross, please, let them be. We have no other choice. Again, welcome back to the forum.

I believe this is the OPINION Thread about AMERICAN Women. It doesn't BASHING American Women. But Opinions on AW. You got yours. Others have there's. What is good for you, doesn't make it good for others.

[ThatGuy865]

I completely disagree with your statement. Why would anyone talk highly of a group of women that do mostly harm to us men? AW spend hours upon hours talking nonsense about how men mistreat them, ignore them, take them for granted, and so on. Guess what? There are always two sides to any story: Hers and HIS. You have a lot of women advocates out there with a one sided approach to all relationship problems, just watch daytime TV and take your pick. Is there anyone speaking out or defending the men? Of course not!

So please, this is one of the few places on this planet where we can speak relatively freely about how we feel about the imbalance in all relationships. This is one of the few places where men can express their opinions without being suffocated by the pro-AW world. So if a guy has to BASH a few women to get his point accross, please, let them B. We have no other choice. Again, welcome back to the forum.Voyajer1,

Now that was the first rational statement I have read about this forum and I must agree, you are right. I don't want you guys to think that I'm an advocate for Marriage or even an AW advocate. I monger myself as Chocha as so eloquently stated previously. I've been to some of the best locales, Rio, PI, Thailand, CR, Colombia, HK, Tijuana, Europe, and several times each. Maybe I was too strong of an advocate for the AW.

Its only that I do still date and chase AW and still have and had many enjoyable relationships. So when I read this thread and NO one mentioned ANY of the positives of AW, and this is an opinion thread. I wanted to share a another point of view and let guys know they could have positive experiences like myself. But, As you say, There are plenty of avenues for a guy to hear the virtues of AW and If you guys want a sanctuary where you can vent. So be it and I will respect that.

Thatguy. "mongering to the day I die".

[Meat Loaf]

So please, this is one of the few places on this planet where we can speak relatively freely about how we feel about the imbalance in all relationships. This is one of the few places where men can express their opinions without being suffocated by the pro-AW world. So if a guy has to BASH a few women to get his point accross, please, let them be. We have no other choice. Again, welcome back to the forum.

Jackson has created one of the few places, worldwide, where males can host their own "rooster session" just as AW do on numerous television programs, magazines, websites, radio media, etcetera.

The difference is, when the AW or another "b*tch made male" learns of your ISG affiliation you will be labeled as a "woman hater" or some other male person possessing the desire to exploit females and shun your male responsibilities.

It takes courage and a real sense of self to post on ISG. Do you lurkers agree?

[Goga Fung]

Jackson has created one of the few places, worldwide, where males can host their own "rooster session" just as AW do on numerous television programs, magazines, websites, radio media, etcetera.

The difference is, when the AW or another "b*tch made male" learns of your ISG affiliation you will be labeled as a "woman hater" or some other male person possessing the desire to exploit females and shun your male responsibilities.

It takes courage and a real sense of self to post on ISG. Do you lurkers agree?Only losers post here - those who pay for sex. The real men never pay for sex, they get it for free all the time:)

BTW, do you know what some people in other countries think about AW?

From a recent post on a Russian forum, translated from Russian: "Yesterday I saw a beauty(in Russia), but did not talk to her. But if I was in USA it would be much easier to get a girl. In USA girls are much more into sex. If she likes you then you have sex right away, no formalities."

I wonder where they get these ideas, maybe Hollywood?

[Capt Ajax]

ThatGuy865 here's an AW you might want to seek out and marry. Spurned mistress put's up billboard notices of affair in NY, Atlanta and San Francisco.


SAN FRANCISCO - A co-president of software maker Oracle acknowledges he had an affair with a woman he was shown snuggling with on billboards in New York, Atlanta and San Francisco.

Charles Phillips released a statement Thursday about his relationship with YaVaughnie Wilkins after blogs went abuzz over the mysterious billboards.

The statement says he had an "8½ year serious relationship" with Wilkins but it has ended, and his divorce proceedings began in 2008

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35014860/?gt1=43001#35009157




Its only that I do still date and chase AW and still have and had many enjoyable relationships. So when I read this thread and NO one mentioned ANY of the positives of AW, and this is an opinion thread. I wanted to share a another point of view and let guys know they could have positive experiences like myself. But, As you say, There are plenty of avenues for a guy to hear the virtues of AW and If you guys want a sanctuary where you can vent. So be it and I will respect that.

Thatguy. "mongering to the day I die".

[Chocha Monger]

Levi Johnston became the latest casualty of American pussy when he miscalculated the last pump and dumped his cum in Bristol Palin’s guts instead of pulling out on schedule. Now, Levi is being sued for $1,750 per month in child support before he is even old enough to legally enjoy an alcoholic beverage. The amount being demanded is not peanuts by any means. Americans making minimum wage only earn about $15,080 annually before taxes. Bristol is seeking $21,000 annually in child support. As a high school dropout Levi will have a hard time coming up the amount demanded. One errant cum shot will cost him 18 to 21 years of heartache for a child he has difficulty seeing and some pussy he no longer has access to. He can now add debt prison along with high school dropout on his list of handicaps as he tries to scratch out a meager living over the next two decades.

The trouser snake and the American panty beaver often share a mutual attraction initially but after an undetermined period of time they will resort to fighting. Often times the trouser snake suffers the worse end of the encounter given the fact that the legal environment favors the beaver and gives it a greater advantage. Owners of trouser snakes should keep them well away from American panty beavers to avoid potential stress, conflict and financial liability.

[ThatGuy865]

Only losers post here - those who pay for sex. The real men never pay for sex, they get it for free all the time:)

BTW, do you know what some people in other countries think about AW?

From a recent post on a Russian forum, translated from Russian: "Yesterday I saw a beauty(in Russia), but did not talk to her. But if I was in USA it would be much easier to get a girl. In USA girls are much more into sex. If she likes you then you have sex right away, no formalities."

I wonder where they get these ideas, maybe Hollywood?Goga,

The reality of it is. If you are a foreigner in any country you will get laid. Thats just the way it is, women love a foreign accent, also a foreigner is automatically going to be different, culturally, and at first those things seem cute and funny to a woman. So foreigners who come to the USA have the same experience AM have going abroad. Each thinks they have found the land of milk and honey.

[Nyc Expat]

It's completely insane $1,750 monthly child support for an infant. She shouldn't get more than three hundred and still have change for unexpected expenses. She's living at home with her now wealthy author Mom, right?

Judges whom approve these filings should be removed from the bench imho. They are responsible for fleecing of American men approving exuberant child support amounts totally out of reality.

Have you heard about the woman in FL. whom tried to kill her husband of 6 months on three occasions? She unknowingly hired an undercover LEO to do the crime. She was charged with attempted murder. Her husband filed for divorce plus requested her name removed from their condo deed. A couple of days ago, the judge said no. There are more details to this story I am not telling but these are the basic facts. Again a judge whom is not responding to the reality of the situation.

[Meat Loaf]

Levi Johnston became the latest casualty of American pussy when he miscalculated the last pump and dumped his cum in Bristol Palin’s guts instead of pulling out on schedule. Now, Levi is being sued for $1,750 per month in child support before he is even old enough to legally enjoy an alcoholic beverage. The amount being demanded is not peanuts by any means. Americans making minimum wage only earn about $15,080 annually before taxes. Bristol is seeking $21,000 annually in child support. As a high school dropout Levi will have a hard time coming up the amount demanded. One errant cum shot will cost him 18 to 21 years of heartache for a child he has difficulty seeing and some pussy he no longer has access to. He can now add debt prison along with high school dropout on his list of handicaps as he tries to scratch out a meager living over the next two decades.

The trouser snake and the American panty beaver often share a mutual attraction initially but after an undetermined period of time they will resort to fighting. Often times the trouser snake suffers the worse end of the encounter given the fact that the legal environment favors the beaver and gives it a greater advantage. Owners of trouser snakes should keep them well away from American panty beavers to avoid potential stress, conflict and financial liability.
Levi is doing the correct thing and getting sleazy. He's posing nude; writing "tell all" books; working the talk show circuit; etcetera.

He should follow the lead of that other "loser", K-Fed. They truly are not losers like you and I for they will reap the child support stream from custody at some point during the 18-sentence.

Oops, my fault. Posing nude is a negative character trait and grounds for the father not to gain custody. In contrast, posing nude as the mother, with default custody, is not enough of a character flaw to grant the father custody.

To win in the USA as a male in male-female relations requires the male not to "give a f*ck." Get as many girls pregnant as you can 'cause the expense / liability truly doesn't increase much after the first child. 17% of gross income for the first child; 3 - 5% for the second child; 2 - 3% for each additional. No more than 50% of gross can be garnished.

[Westy]

Apologies to you, Meat Loaf, but I just can't get that sleazy.

I acknowledge that you have far more experience than I have in The Great Game. But I'm not ready to dismiss my responsibility to any child I might father, because my father dismissed his responsibility to me. My mother raised me without the benefit of child-support, and I vowed at a reasonably early age that I would not treat any child of MY loins that way.

[Ben2]

Levi Johnston became the latest casualty of American pussy when he miscalculated the last pump and dumped his cum in Bristol Palin’s guts instead of pulling out on schedule. Now, Levi is being sued for $1,750 per month in child support before he is even old enough to legally enjoy an alcoholic beverage. The amount being demanded is not peanuts by any means. Americans making minimum wage only earn about $15,080 annually before taxes. Bristol is seeking $21,000 annually in child support. As a high school dropout Levi will have a hard time coming up the amount demanded. One errant cum shot will cost him 18 to 21 years of heartache for a child he has difficulty seeing and some pussy he no longer has access to. He can now add debt prison along with high school dropout on his list of handicaps as he tries to scratch out a meager living over the next two decades.

The trouser snake and the American panty beaver often share a mutual attraction initially but after an undetermined period of time they will resort to fighting. Often times the trouser snake suffers the worse end of the encounter given the fact that the legal environment favors the beaver and gives it a greater advantage. Owners of trouser snakes should keep them well away from American panty beavers to avoid potential stress, conflict and financial liability.

Obviously the judge has some information which we don't know about....Johnston submitted a financial statement and the judge made his ruling on that....still...it's excessive. He can always get it reduced based on his income.....
He, you or I, have no business fucking any gal....risking getting her pregnant...he brought it upon himself....play safe is the way to do it! But then again, he is inmature.

[Meat Loaf]

Obviously the judge has some information which we don't know about....Johnston submitted a financial statement and the judge made his ruling on that....still...it's excessive. He can always get it reduced based on his income.....
He, you or I, have no business fucking any gal....risking getting her pregnant...he brought it upon himself....play safe is the way to do it! But then again, he is inmature.

"Playing safe" refers to condom usage. "Playing safe" refers to having your nutts clipped as to prevent semen or little fishies swimming upstream. "Playing safe" refers to masturbation.

These are all fine and dandy reasons or risk management tools.

When the "playing safe" risk management scenario fails and one assumes the risk or offspring, the game begins.

Legally speaking, the game does not begin until the child is born. Legally speaking, the male has 0% voice in the pregnancy of the female. Nonetheless, the child support court; attorney general; or other "competent" jurisdiction will place the maternity expenses of the mother upon the father.

The above paragraph details how you will pull caballo hook or crook, male USA-citizen.

With child support and custody being a moot issue during pregnancy, it is the treatment / justice / abuse of legislation that needs to be addressed, not "playing safe" or risk management.

Equitable rights in parenting is what must be addressed, not "playing safe." Again, they place the onus or lack of female responsibility upon the male by demonizing him for not "playing safe." At what situation or point is the female punished for her lack of "playing safe"? Never. And better yet, it become the role of society (ie. goverment) to care for this creature for it is a future caballo and source for military conflict to earn money for the government coffers.

I agree that one should institute risk management procedures or what is commonly referred to as personal responsibility as to prevent the risk of caballo for 18 - 25 years. That withstanding, the legislation and judicial administration of the child support; child custody is the true and real concern.

Not until USA-citizen males arise from their fear and eagerness to pull caballlo will they be capable of properly managing the risk of "playing safe" and "not playing safe."

Since you will get played in court anyway, why even bother to "play safe." Does the female have any risk in "not playing safe'? The offspring is not a risk, but a gift or biological right of the female. Only for the male does the lack of playing safe carry penalties encompassing debt, incarceration, revocation of rights, and other legislated crimes.

Go Caballo Go.

[Rubber Nursey]

At what situation or point is the female punished for her lack of "playing safe"? Never. <snip> Does the female have any risk in "not playing safe'? The offspring is not a risk, but a gift or biological right of the female. Only for the male does the lack of playing safe carry penalties encompassing debt, incarceration, revocation of rights, and other legislated crimes.
Ok, now that's just crazy talk. Women aren't punished for not playing it safe? Ummm, let's just take a moment to read through some of the recent comments about single mums, shall we?

"...sloppy holes, saggy tits, stretch marks, baggage. Who wants to date a single mum and be a ready-made daddy? I'm not willing to pay someone else's kid through college! She can't take me back to her house for sex, because her kids are at home. She's already trapped some other poor sucker with a kid - you could be next!" And the list goes on....

Sure, complain all you like about unfairness in the courts (I happen to agree with you on that, in many cases) but don't try and tell me that single mothers don't suffer. And to suggest that men are the poor innocent party in pregnancy is utterly ridiculous. EVERYONE, male and female, knows that pregnancy is always a possibility when you engage in unprotected sex. If it happens, it is BOTH PARTIES' responsibility. You guys may get lumped with child support payments, but women get saddled with 18+ years of no dating, no social life, no career, etc, while also contributing the majority of their own income to the upkeep of their children. Or, like me, they watch their ex-husband walk away and start a whole new life, with a new job and a new wife, while I'm living on the bones of my arse, desperately trying to feed my kids and not end up on the streets. How do you think I ended up working as a wh*re?

Pregnancy is a consequence of unprotected sex. Period. If you really don't want kids ...fix yourselves up, use condoms, or have a wank. If you have unprotected sex and end up with an unwanted baby, you have nobody to blame but yourself. Sorry, but that's just how I see it. Flame away.

[Voyajer1]

Even though you make a great point, and yes, I have to agree that once a child is born all bets are off. However, remember, the father has no rights as to whether or not the pregnancy should be terminated. My personal opinion? He should. Yes, it is the woman's body, but once the seed is planted, intentionally or not, he has no voice. That is not right. So a bad decision can lead to a lifetime of suffering on both parties.

On the other hand, we have the "Palimony" issue that seems to be the rage in women's circles. No children are involved in the process, yet, good old AW's still want to get paid for a relationship that went sour. That's BS. The couple in many instances does not need to be married, living together, engaged, etc. The AW must get paid just because she no longer receives the affection of the man, got used to a new and improved lifestyle, needs a better place to live, and so on. The catch: Yes, the support was implied by the two parties. Yeah, right! The excuses the jurisprudence system continue implementing to assault the males in Sex Prison continue to mount with no one saying enough is enough, and this is destroying the fabric of the american household and the legitimate institution of marriage.

Oh, yes, I got sued for that BS and escaped by paying in bulk (It was a good deal compared to what it would have cost). These are the times we are living in where we, the American Male, have become irrelevant and a pocketbook in the eyes of the US courts.

Ok, now that's just crazy talk. Women aren't punished for not playing it safe? Ummm, let's just take a moment to read through some of the recent comments about single mums, shall we?

"...sloppy holes, saggy tits, stretch marks, baggage. Who wants to date a single mum and be a ready-made daddy? I'm not willing to pay someone else's kid through college! She can't take me back to her house for sex, because her kids are at home. She's already trapped some other poor sucker with a kid - you could be next!" And the list goes on....

Sure, complain all you like about unfairness in the courts (I happen to agree with you on that, in many cases) but don't try and tell me that single mothers don't suffer. And to suggest that men are the poor innocent party in pregnancy is utterly ridiculous. EVERYONE, male and female, knows that pregnancy is always a possibility when you engage in unprotected sex. If it happens, it is BOTH PARTIES' responsibility. You guys may get lumped with child support payments, but women get saddled with 18+ years of no dating, no social life, no career, etc, while also contributing the majority of their own income to the upkeep of their children. Or, like me, they watch their ex-husband walk away and start a whole new life, with a new job and a new wife, while I'm living on the bones of my arse, desperately trying to feed my kids and not end up on the streets. How do you think I ended up working as a wh*re?

Pregnancy is a consequence of unprotected sex. Period. If you really don't want kids ...fix yourselves up, use condoms, or have a wank. If you have unprotected sex and end up with an unwanted baby, you have nobody to blame but yourself. Sorry, but that's just how I see it. Flame away.

[Vaquero]

Never been married or fathered children, but been close. Thanks, liberal abortion laws!

But to say that single mothers don't have social lives or have to sacrifice their careers is a bit ludicrous. In the workplace, from what I've seen, mothers are given all sorts of flexibility to attend to their kids' needs -- even when they're in higher-paying, supervisory positions. I'm amazed at how much leeway they get and how much they admittedly abuse it.

And I've met plenty of single mommas at bars getting loaded. In fact, the single mothers I've dated have often tried to delegate their child rearing duties to me -- such as taking kids to a doctor's appointment, etc.

My parents were divorced for many years, but I was raised by my father (largely running wild). When my brother and I were considering moving in with my mother, her main concern was calculating all the revenue she'd get for us.

I have no children of my own, but you'd have to be blind not to see the bias toward mothers.

[Rubber Nursey]

Voyajer1,

I sympathise with the termination issue, I really do. I can't imagine how powerless and frustrated the man must feel. Unfortunately, there's only one baby and two people with a right to decide what to do about it. If the parties can't agree, someone has to be the decider and as the baby is inside the woman's belly... Well, there's no winners in that situation. Definitely better to avoid it happening in the first place.

And this alimony/palimony rubbish? Un-fkn-believable! It's not a concept I'm overly familiar with and it's certainly not something I'd support. I believe that men should provide for the children they helped to create. I do NOT believe they should have to look after their childless ex-girlfriends! What's wrong with the poor girls? Might break a nail if they do a day's work? Sheesh.