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Voyajer1
01-24-10, 15:41
Palimony is the new (Relatively speaking) phenomenon. My case occurred while divorcing my good ol' AW. I hope she choked on the dow I gave her. The problem now is that in a relationship, the male and female do not even have to cohabitate. Period. This is the new and improve realm that I am certain many here have discussed previously. It was here that I became aware of the new changes in the law, see for yourselves: http://overlawyered.com/2008/06/new-jersey-high-court-palimony-without-cohabitation-ok/
This ruling has created such a barrier between the educated men and women (The uninformed, of course believes that the state of relationships are the same. It could be a costly mistake). The ruling, thought given in New Jersey, is one of those "Landmark" cases that now can be applied universally throughout the land until sanity prevails. It hasn't so far. That is why I will NEVER date an AW. You never know what you are going to get and it involves a tremendous amount of risk from the male. Even if you don't have much to loose, they can garnish your future earnings to satisfy said ruling. Fair? Just? Never.

Voyajer1,

I sympathise with the termination issue, I really do. I can't imagine how powerless and frustrated the man must feel. Unfortunately, there's only one baby and two people with a right to decide what to do about it. If the parties can't agree, someone has to be the decider and as the baby is inside the woman's belly... Well, there's no winners in that situation. Definitely better to avoid it happening in the first place.

And this alimony/palimony rubbish? Un-fkn-believable! It's not a concept I'm overly familiar with and it's certainly not something I'd support. I believe that men should provide for the children they helped to create. I do NOT believe they should have to look after their childless ex-girlfriends! What's wrong with the poor girls? Might break a nail if they do a day's work? Sheesh.

Nyc Expat
01-24-10, 16:09
Levi is doing the correct thing and getting sleazy. He's posing nude; writing "tell all" books; working the talk show circuit; etcetera.

He should follow the lead of that other "loser", K-Fed. They truly are not losers like you and I for they will reap the child support stream from custody at some point during the 18-sentence.

Oops, my fault. Posing nude is a negative character trait and grounds for the father not to gain custody. In contrast, posing nude as the mother, with default custody, is not enough of a character flaw to grant the father custody.

To win in the USA as a male in male-female relations requires the male not to "give a f*ck." Get as many girls pregnant as you can 'cause the expense / liability truly doesn't increase much after the first child. 17% of gross income for the first child; 3 - 5% for the second child; 2 - 3% for each additional. No more than 50% of gross can be garnished.

Speaking of men posing nude, how about newly Senator elect Scott Brown of Mass. posing for a magazine when he was a young model.

ThatGuy865
01-24-10, 17:16
Palimony is the new (Relatively speaking) phenomenon. My case occurred while divorcing my good ol' AW. I hope she choked on the dow I gave her. The problem now is that in a relationship, the male and female do not even have to cohabitate. Period. This is the new and improve realm that I am certain many here have discussed previously. It was here that I became aware of the new changes in the law, see for yourselves: http://overlawyered.com/2008/06/new-jersey-high-court-palimony-without-cohabitation-ok/

This ruling has created such a barrier between the educated men and women (The uninformed, of course believes that the state of relationships are the same. It could be a costly mistake). The ruling, thought given in New Jersey, is one of those "Landmark" cases that now can be applied universally throughout the land until sanity prevails. It hasn't so far. That is why I will NEVER date an AW. You never know what you are going to get and it involves a tremendous amount of risk from the male. Even if you don't have much to loose, they can garnish your future earnings to satisfy said ruling. Fair? Just? Never.This ruling is only valid for NEWJERSEY. Each state has their own divorce and Marriage laws. Thats why some states can legalize Gay marriage and other don't.

Voyajer1
01-24-10, 18:37
When Palimony began in or around 1976, it started as a "landmark" case in "California Only". Prior to that, there were many other cases preceding the "need" to re-interpret the law beginning all the way back in the 1930's. The effect was that Palimony evolved from prior law, with emphasis that its roots began in California. Fast forward to today. Is there any state today WITHOUT some sort of Palimony laws?
You have to understand the mechanism to establish and a change law has been around since the inception of the Sex Prison. This insidious and incendiary case, though right now binding so far only in New Jersey will soon be the Law of the land. It IS a "landmark" case; lawmakers, and the justice system love this drivel. It means billions of dollars in lawsuits and lawyer fees. A bonanza! Again, it IS based on prior law, otherwise it would have never taken place. Once it hits the Supreme Court, with a 5 to 4 liberal justice majority, how do you think they are going to rule? Anyone willing to take a wager? It will be the law of the land soon, trust me. Common sense has long left the Sex Prison and if something drastic does not derail this train, I can guarantee it will be the law of the land as soon as it hits Washington DC.

This ruling is only valid for NEWJERSEY. Each state has their own divorce and Marriage laws. Thats why some states can legalize Gay marriage and other don't.

Chocha Monger
01-24-10, 23:39
Rubber Nursey:

You’re absolutely right. It’s best to avoid creating the problem in the first place. That means getting fixed, using a condom or having a good wank. Fucking bareback, shooting cream pies in a woman’s twinkie then fleeing the country to escape the financial and legal consequences is stupid. Eventually, the fugitive’s passport will expire and the embassy will not renew it until he pays the child support assessed against him. He will end up as an illegal immigrant in some part of the world’s anus. The momentary sensation of shooting semen out one’s dick is hardly worth a lifetime of living in shit.

A much more satisfying experience would be to go to the bank, withdraw several thousands of dollars of crisp $20 notes. Go home and make it rain currency all over the bed. Then strip butt ass naked, roll around in the money and have a good wank. It’s better than sex with a woman and it doesn’t cost a dime or have any unwanted consequences.

Meat Loaf
01-24-10, 23:53
Smiply sign-away your "rights" as a father and that's it.

No cost!

Meat Loaf
01-24-10, 23:57
If it happens, it is BOTH PARTIES' responsibility. You guys may get lumped with child support payments, but women get saddled with 18+ years of no dating, no social life, no career, etc, while also contributing the majority of their own income to the upkeep of their children.

Custody goes default to the female and therefore she should assume all of the risks and "punishments" thereof.

If instead, the court action was custody first, then child support would be different, but since the father has 0% voice and the mother is awarded the child by default she should assume the burden.

Do not make it appear as if the father had any voice in the entire matter. For the father to have a voice is for the father to be assessed and then bring legal action.

All of your nonsense about 18+, no social life, etcetera is empathy/

Meat Loaf
01-25-10, 00:00
And this alimony/palimony rubbish? Un-fkn-believable! It's not a concept I'm overly familiar with and it's certainly not something I'd support. I believe that men should provide for the children they helped to create. I do NOT believe they should have to look after their childless ex-girlfriends! What's wrong with the poor girls? Might break a nail if they do a day's work? Sheesh.

Alimony is support payments after a marriage contract entered into a divorce contract.

Alimony and palimony have 0 % to do with child custody; child support.

Divorce is a voluntary contract entered into by both parties.

Child custody and child support is a 1-way ticket on the caballo plan.

Meat Loaf
01-25-10, 00:03
When Palimony began in or around 1976, it started as a "landmark" case in "California Only". Prior to that, there were many other cases preceding the "need" to re-interpret the law beginning all the way back in the 1930's. The effect was that Palimony evolved from prior law, with emphasis that its roots began in California. Fast forward to today. Is there any state today WITHOUT some sort of Palimony laws?
You have to understand the mechanism to establish and a change law has been around since the inception of the Sex Prison. This insidious and incendiary case, though right now binding so far only in New Jersey will soon be the Law of the land. It IS a "landmark" case; lawmakers, and the justice system love this drivel. It means billions of dollars in lawsuits and lawyer fees. A bonanza! Again, it IS based on prior law, otherwise it would have never taken place. Once it hits the Supreme Court, with a 5 to 4 liberal justice majority, how do you think they are going to rule? Anyone willing to take a wager? It will be the law of the land soon, trust me. Common sense has long left the Sex Prison and if something drastic does not derail this train, I can guarantee it will be the law of the land as soon as it hits Washington DC.

Before you enter into palimony concerns, the government will assign you common-law marriage.

In some states, Texas, common law takes effect after 6-months.

In the Carolinas, common law marriage takes effect after 30-days of co-habitation.

Understand, the USA does everything they can in their power to ensure that you remain on USA soil and are a "indebted" servitude / employee / labourer.

The USA loves and needs a guaranteed labour force and placing the USA-citizen, male, in mandated servitude is how it is done.

ThatGuy865
01-25-10, 00:50
Once it hits the Supreme Court, with a 5 to 4 liberal justice majority, how do you think they are going to rule? Anyone willing to take a wager? It will be the law of the land soon, trust me. Common sense has long left the Sex Prison and if something drastic does not derail this train, I can guarantee it will be the law of the land as soon as it hits Washington DC.First off you are wrong again. The majority of the Court is Conservative. Bush assured that with the nomination of Scalia, you have (Scalia, thomas, Roberts, alito and kennedy) all are young (by supreme court judge standards)

And all are ultra conservative. As a matter of fact this court is considered one of the most conservative group since the 1950's.

Rubber Nursey
01-25-10, 02:35
A much more satisfying experience would be to go to the bank, withdraw several thousands of dollars of crisp $20 notes. Go home and make it rain currency all over the bed. Then strip butt ass naked, roll around in the money and have a good wank.
LOL! After some bad experiences with 'starfish', my mate used to say something similar about paid sex. "You might as well just park in a brothel carpark, have a wank in the car, then throw your wallet out the window as you drive away". :)

ThatGuy865
01-25-10, 03:01
The USA loves and needs a guaranteed labour force and placing the USA-citizen, male, in mandated servitude is how it is done.Please thats one of the funniest statements made on this board.

Alimony is only awarded in less than 15% of divorces, Palimony less than 5% ... So the majority of Divorces end with no payments to the Wife.

Chocha Monger
01-25-10, 08:42
Termination of parental rights does not end the obligation to pay child support unless the child is adopted.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-176372919.html

Meat Loaf
01-25-10, 13:19
Termination of parental rights does not end the obligation to pay child support unless the child is adopted.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-176372919.html

That's true. The female must also accept the termination papers.

I knew one guy in the ARMY that would impregnate hoes, and then sign away his parental rights. And the girls liked a guy like that to boot. I find it funny and enjoyable how one "Jungle Fever" hoe got played like that and hopefully is having a hard time surviving in life and rearing the children. Why? She got what she deserved by f*cking a guy of such caliber, "Jungle Fever."

Meat Loaf
01-25-10, 14:01
We've established that women are prostitutes!

We've established that governments primary desire is to (1) maintain / guarantee a labour force for the present and future as well as a (2) taxation base, and (3) military force. This is the motive of governments: Governments do not exist for you reach your full-potential or to be "all that you can be." Governments exist for their citizenry to be exploited at the benefit of the government.

Who is / are the government? The government is made of (1) asset rich and wealthy individuals, foundations, corporations, and other financial powers; (2) elected politicians who maintain office; (3) appointed persons who perform governmental duties; and (4) line employees for the execution of legislation to keep the lemmings in line.

Women are prostitutes! Whether it's a simple cash-in-hand transaction; courtship; marriage contract; procreation; or divorce settlement, women are receiving financial compensation for romantic associations with males.

Governments are the pimp! The government pimps / panders the female citizenry by legislating the terms of compensation available to females from males. (1) It is illegal to prostitute for cash, but gifts are acceptable. (2) It's "romantic" to court and for the male to pay for the dating expense. (3) The marriage contract is written with male - female equality, but the judiciary interprets the contract with 100% gender bias. Mission accomplished via the bench for the male citizen to degress financially and therefore keep him on the treadmill. (4) Procreation is written with male - female equality, almost, excluding the default custody of offspring. Again, the judiciary interprets the law with 100% gender bias as to keep the male citizen on the treadmill for 18 - 25 years at 17%. In fact, the laws written concerning procreation are in themselves gender biased by the simply fact of (a) no male voice during pregnancy, yet the financial expense: In law this is called "non consideration." (b) Default custody to the mother upon the child being born. In child custody the assessment is "best fit" to rear the child. Therefore, custody should be decided on day 1 of the child's life. Instead, the male must petition the court to be recognized as the child's father. The assessment of child support is void of parental / father's rights. Anyone can be assessed child support obligations. (5) Divorce settlement instills that the male will degress financially as well as become a transient or displaced tenant.

And the list continues as to the measures governments employ in the offerings of their female citizenry upon their male citizenry.

Governments receive tax compensation / commissions at all male - female encounters, just as pimps do. They receive this compensation via taxation and court fees.

Female citizens receive compensation via the cash-in-hand, gifts, and acquisition of assets upon divorce, child support, etcetera.

Male citizens receive "temporary" access to females in a romantic setting.

Understand, the government pimps their female citizens at the demise of their male citizens. And it's legislated with lack-of-payment introducing incarceration penalties.

Why do governments pimp? Governments pimp their female citizenry because governments need (1) a labour pool, (2) taxation base, and (3) bodies for military service. Governments plan and project their futures 1 - 3 generations into the future and therefore need to guarantee that the current generation will produce and hopefully create a second generation of caballos.

** Your fathers never took the time to tell you how to win with women. And such, you became a victim to women just as your father was. Misery loves company. Had your father knew how not to pull caballo or get exploited by women and their government, he would have taught you how to play the game. But he is just another caballo too and doesn't know any better. Hence, he created three (3) generations of caballos (ie. your father; you; and your son). Hopefully, you'll teach your sons how not to pull caballo as describe in Meat Loaf posts. Meat Loaf in Nicaragua. **

DJ FourMoney
01-25-10, 19:45
Levi Johnston became the latest casualty of American pussy when he miscalculated the last pump and dumped his cum in Bristol Palin’s guts instead of pulling out on schedule. Now, Levi is being sued for $1,750 per month in child support before he is even old enough to legally enjoy an alcoholic beverage. The amount being demanded is not peanuts by any means. Americans making minimum wage only earn about $15,080 annually before taxes. Bristol is seeking $21,000 annually in child support. As a high school dropout Levi will have a hard time coming up the amount demanded. One errant cum shot will cost him 18 to 21 years of heartache for a child he has difficulty seeing and some pussy he no longer has access to. He can now add debt prison along with high school dropout on his list of handicaps as he tries to scratch out a meager living over the next two decades.

The trouser snake and the American panty beaver often share a mutual attraction initially but after an undetermined period of time they will resort to fighting. Often times the trouser snake suffers the worse end of the encounter given the fact that the legal environment favors the beaver and gives it a greater advantage. Owners of trouser snakes should keep them well away from American panty beavers to avoid potential stress, conflict and financial liability.

You know I saw that in the news and thought of ISG...

I wasn't sure what to think actually. On one hand he's responsible, but not mentally ready to handle fatherhood (obviously) and now political positioning will make extremely hard for him to see his child (maybe he's not interested?)

But yeah a high school drop-out might as well get as much from his 15 min as possible. I would take an offer to write a ghost written book and donate the proceeds to your child as a one time payment instead of being on the hook, maybe $500,000.

If the publisher is keen on the book especially if it comes out say during Palin's run in 2012 (if she even makes it that far), he could get most of that in advance.

Anyway, he's a bumbling idiot and this very normal situation in Teenage America has gotten totally out of hand. But I'm less worried about Levi and more worried about the next fool that ends up with Bristol, now with child, here public notoriety, looks and possible financial position might entice some poor sap into taking a flier on her.

Capt Ajax
01-26-10, 18:32
I just have this funny feeling ThatGuy865 is just itching to nail this American chick.

When you have American men falling all over themselves to date, marry, women who look like this, then you know, we have a serious problem in America. I wish to apologize in advance for destroying anyone's Breakfast, Lunch or Dinner.

Meat Loaf
01-26-10, 19:49
When you have American men falling all over themselves to date, marry, women who look like this, then you know, we have a serious problem in America. I wish to apologize in advance for destroying anyone's breakfast, Lunch or Dinner.

I hear you "Capt. Ajax," but how did you acquire her pictures "au natural?

Makes one wonder if you have "buyer's remorse" or a hangover.

Chocha Monger
01-26-10, 21:06
You know I saw that in the news and thought of ISG...

I wasn't sure what to think actually. On one hand he's responsible, but not mentally ready to handle fatherhood (obviously) and now political positioning will make extremely hard for him to see his child (maybe he's not interested?)

But yeah a high school drop-out might as well get as much from his 15 min as possible. I would take an offer to write a ghost written book and donate the proceeds to your child as a one time payment instead of being on the hook, maybe $500,000.

If the publisher is keen on the book especially if it comes out say during Palin's run in 2012 (if she even makes it that far), he could get most of that in advance.

Anyway, he's a bumbling idiot and this very normal situation in Teenage America has gotten totally out of hand. But I'm less worried about Levi and more worried about the next fool that ends up with Bristol, now with child, here public notoriety, looks and possible financial position might entice some poor sap into taking a flier on her.
American single mothers find it relatively easy to find someone to date and marry them. Many guys don’t realize just how raw the deal is on the surface. They assume that the other guy will pick up the bill for his kid. However, the mother may very well be less diligent about collecting from the father for all expenses once another sucker steps into the picture, especially if that individual is more financially stable. Then there are behavioral issues with the child. Step-daddy is likely to hear, “You can’t tell me what to do. You’re not my father” often. Then there are expenses beyond 18 yrs like college and having to take an adult child who has fallen on hard times back into the home.

Romantic liaisons are not usually a great deal over the long term for guys in America. Consider the position of the guy making the coffee every morning for his live in scientist girlfriend. http://lifestyle.msn.com/relationships/articleglamourmatch.aspx?cp-documentid=23187787&GT1=32023 The guy from out of town who ran his pork sword through her and maintained a short term long distance relationship with her was the winner. It is never wise to invest too much in relationships with women. Once you cohabit or spend several nights together each week the thrill is gone and she’ll be looking for the next horn dog to mount her and give her the excitement she craves. Guys who wake up every morning to make her coffee are only valued after she has little to no value on the market. Jenny only remained with Forest Gump after she caught AIDS from her habit of running around fucking other guys.

Capt Ajax
01-26-10, 22:28
I hear you "Capt. Ajax," but how did you acquire her pictures "au natural?

Makes one wonder if you have "buyer's remorse" or a hangover.

Brother, if my dick were to lead me down the path of screwing a woman that looked like her. I would immediately take a machete to my dick.

Furysys
01-26-10, 23:28
Cpt Ajax, EGADS!! talking about two tons of fun, sheez.

A comment on what you said about single moms being able to date, CM. I don't think it is as easy for them as it used to be, certainly all the single guys I know stay as far away from them as possible. Partly due to the hassle of the kid, the exes, etc., but I think more to do with court rulings that saddle the guy with support payments for the kid after just a few months of the two shacking up. Single moms have told me they feel toxic because of this, and I tell 'em straight up, you'll never get any guy that does decently well, as long as he even semi has his wits about him.

I suppose they can do the I-net dating thing, but the guys are equally terrified there,

Meat Loaf
01-27-10, 15:37
Cpt Ajax, EGADS!! talking about two tons of fun, sheez.

A comment on what you said about single moms being able to date, CM. I don't think it is as easy for them as it used to be, certainly all the single guys I know stay as far away from them as possible. Partly due to the hassle of the kid, the exes, etc., but I think more to do with court rulings that saddle the guy with support payments for the kid after just a few months of the two shacking up. Single moms have told me they feel toxic because of this, and I tell 'em straight up, you'll never get any guy that does decently well, as long as he even semi has his wits about him.

I suppose they can do the I-net dating thing, but the guys are equally terrified there,
Women never have a hard time finding at least one guy to f*ck them!

They may try to scare you with, "I got 2 kids" statement but that would assume that I were to aide her in the financial expense.

Females do not have a hard time. And with 50% of first-time marriages ending in divorce within 7 years, everyone is single. And then you have the bastard children of those who were never married. The p*ssy pool with 0% kids is not that large.

At least in Latin America, the kids of the mother do try to befriend the Gringo 'cause even they know a caballo when they see one.

Lastly, I always find it funny how when I drop some "real sh*t" like the prior post how many run away from having to think or admit to its value. The statement about fathers leading their sons to slaughter is what I refer.

Women teach their daughters how to find and hustle a caballo. Fathers tell their sons, "it's cheaper to keep her" or "good luck." The blind leading the blind.

I never dated single moms in the USA, but only date single moms in Latin America. I've degressed. I would date single USA moms, but as Chocha Monger said, "I would not invest too much into any relationship."

Capt Ajax
01-28-10, 15:55
What is it with American men? I was scheduled to see a lady this weekend and she told me she had JUST increased her rates. WTF.....Apparently a few American guys had informed her that her rates were too low. Geeez I've seen this happen too many times. Just pick a country where American men monger and you can be sure they will totally FUCK up the market. I will say this, GRINGOS, deserve the treatment meshed out by their American women.

Goga Fung
01-28-10, 16:25
What is it with American men? I was scheduled to see a lady this weekend and she told me she had JUST increased her rates. Some American guy told her that her rates were too low. Geeez I've seen this happen too many times. Anywhere American mongers, they totally FUCK up the market. I will say this, GRINGOS, you all deserve the way you're treated by your American women.I have also noticed in the past few years that some "markets" have been becoming worse.. Such as Colombia(Medellin), Curacao(Campo Allegre), Prague etc. Many women have become spoiled, do not want to do extras, etc.

Some gringos do some strangest things such as traveling half the globe to pay money for ugly/fat girls.

Also paying a SW money for "DATY"!! If you tell that to somebody else in another country they would never believe that. At least they would assume that the girl is paying you.

But there are still remote places left, although there are also becoming worse. In one place in Central Asia, I had a GF for a few days. One day she asked me for $30 for a tatoo, I told her that I do not like tatoos, so she's not getting any money, not because I'm that greedy. She got kinda upset and told me that we probably should not "date". Which was totally fine with me. I was done with her anyways.

The next news I hear about her, in a few months she found a gringo BF who got crazy about her(BTW she's just average), bought her an apartment, at that time they were kinda cheap, about 10-20K USD.

So the "market" lost another talent. The girl realized that her pussy is actually worth at least $20 grand if dating a gringo, not $30 as she underestimated herself when I was with her.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.

Artisttyp
01-28-10, 17:57
"I would not invest too much into any relationship."


So simple yet so deep. One needs to keep reminding themselves that most relationships or friendships for that matter are based on "what can you do for me". It is a harsh reality in life but once you accept it you will learn to control your blindness and things will be clearer.

Nutin for nutin..learn it live it love it.

Booey
01-28-10, 18:44
What is it with American men? I was scheduled to see a lady this weekend and she told me she had JUST increased her rates. Some American guy told her that her rates were too low. Geeez I've seen this happen too many times. Anywhere American mongers, they totally FUCK up the market. I will say this, GRINGOS, you all deserve the way you're treated by your American women.Sadly your right. A lot of American guys have the white knight syndrome, and do things like this a lot. I was lucky enough to have some experienced mongers with me on my first mongering trip and they made sure I was not overpaying and causing inflation.

Maybe you should tell your lady that American men are much richer than other Western men and that they can afford to pay more. I'll just tell them I am Canadian, eh.

Again, sorry

MacGyver22
01-28-10, 21:52
DJ,

...No one says you have to show her off in public, and you'd be surprised how good the sex can B..These are what are know as 'mope-head' women.

A lot of fun to ride, but you don't want your friends to catch you riding one!

Chocha Monger
01-29-10, 05:45
I have also noticed in the past few years that some "markets" have been becoming worse.. Such as Colombia(Medellin), Curacao(Campo Allegre), Prague etc. Many women have become spoiled, do not want to do extras, etc.

Some gringos do some strangest things such as traveling half the globe to pay money for ugly/fat girls.

Also paying a SW money for "DATY"!! If you tell that to somebody else in another country they would never believe that. At least they would assume that the girl is paying you.

But there are still remote places left, although there are also becoming worse. In one place in Central Asia, I had a GF for a few days. One day she asked me for $30 for a tatoo, I told her that I do not like tatoos, so she's not getting any money, not because I'm that greedy. She got kinda upset and told me that we probably should not "date". Which was totally fine with me. I was done with her anyways.

The next news I hear about her, in a few months she found a gringo BF who got crazy about her(BTW she's just average), bought her an apartment, at that time they were kinda cheap, about 10-20K USD.

So the "market" lost another talent. The girl realized that her pussy is actually worth at least $20 grand if dating a gringo, not $30 as she underestimated herself when I was with her.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.
What you have described is a consequence of our odd American mating system. The man approaches the woman and starts spending as much as he can in the hope that she will grant him access to her vagina so he can continue spending even more to maintain that access. In most cases the man makes his approach as a supplicant from an inferior position. The woman is considered to be more valuable than anything he has to offer, so he competes with other suitors by expending large amounts of his resources. If he is seeing a prostitute and wishes to have her to himself he will pay her more than what he believes other tricks are paying in an attempt to price them out of her pussy.

The average American also thinks that pussy is so valuable that a price cannot be put on it. So you will find outrageous behavior like guys paying to lick a woman’s pussy. They like bowing down to the pussy, licking and worshipping it like some kind of deity that demands their reverence. In some other cultures such behavior is outrageous. In Jamaica such men would be reviled and quickly become social pariahs. It is this cult of pussy worship that makes American guys pay $20,000 for what other men are only willing to pay $30. Once American sex tourists overrun a mongering sweet spot the prices skyrocket. We have seen this pattern repeated over and over again. Too bad a lot of guys don’t realize that they’re only recreating the same conditions they fled from in the first place. You know that the game has been fucked up when your local girls start telling you about one of their girlfriends who got a house and car bought and paid for by some tender under the zipper American man. Then they start expecting you to do the same.

Voyajer1
01-29-10, 15:04
The morons go where the rates are talked about loudly in many forums; however, imbeciles go to the fun spots and claim “I have no time, it’s my money” as an excuse. I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again, I will not tell anyone of some of the bargain providers and places I’ve been to. People like that tend to screw up the spending curve and wonder why people get on their case.

Just look at the rates of providers here in the Sex Prison. The going rates for decent service are right around $500 per hour in most major cities. Why so high? We have too many “Captain Save A Ho” types living in the country. We move out of the country to find better rates. The same dingbats follow us out there repeating the same budget busting moves, after all, it’s “Their” money. Personally morons like that need to have their man cards revoked :D

What is it with American men? I was scheduled to see a lady this weekend and she told me she had JUST increased her rates. WTF.....Apparently a few American guys had informed her that her rates were too low. Geeez I've seen this happen too many times. Just pick a country where American men monger and you can be sure they will totally FUCK up the market. I will say this, GRINGOS, deserve the treatment meshed out by their American women.

Meat Loaf
01-29-10, 16:11
The morons go where the rates are talked about loudly in many forums; however, imbeciles go to the fun spots and claim “I have no time, it’s my money” as an excuse. I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again, I will not tell anyone of some of the bargain providers and places I’ve been to. People like that tend to screw up the spending curve and wonder why people get on their case.

Just look at the rates of providers here in the Sex Prison. The going rates for decent service are right around $500 per hour in most major cities. Why so high? We have too many “Captain Save A Ho” types living in the country. We move out of the country to find better rates. The same dingbats follow us out there repeating the same budget busting moves, after all, it’s “Their” money. Personally morons like that need to have their man cards revoked :D
There is a social phenomenon called, "make it rain" where within strip clubs, johns / tricks / customers throw single dollar bills in stacks of ten or twenty onto the stage for the girls dancing.

Foolish!

This same ideology of showing how much money they are willing to give away for p*ssy access / viewing is what / how they travel and live worldwide.

Look at me. Look how much money I am willing to give away just so that you notice me. It's USA mentality of showing others how much you spend in hopes that they will be your friend.

I stopped giving hoes anything beyond a strong nutt.

To really succeed as a monger, one must live in the country / city that they monger and weed out the hoes that are looking for the USA refugee plan.

Robert1110
01-30-10, 02:49
i have a story about the 3 different women and their attempts to find my home..using GPS...i live right off an interstate on a state highway..santa claus always found my house but these women can't but that another post

i recently was in contact with a woman via SMS and she says "when and where"

i reply with a location and ask "what time can you be there?"

reply: "i need to change my clothes"

me:"when can you be there"

reply: "give me 30 minutes to change my clothes"

me: "when can you be there?"

reply: "almost home now"

me: "maybe one day you will answer the question. none of this tells me when"

then i get a phone call from her and she asks if i am being a smartass

i will meet her and grudgef**k her..and they wonder why we cannot stand them

i swear, if they did not have pussies, we'd be shooting them for sport

Capt Ajax
01-30-10, 03:54
......and your point is??? Are you American??


i have a story about the 3 different women and their attempts to find my home..using GPS...i live right off an interstate on a state highway..santa claus always found my house but these women can't but that another post

i recently was in contact with a woman via SMS and she says "when and where"

i reply with a location and ask "what time can you be there?"

reply: "i need to change my clothes"

me:"when can you be there"

reply: "give me 30 minutes to change my clothes"

me: "when can you be there?"

reply: "almost home now"

me: "maybe one day you will answer the question. none of this tells me when"

then i get a phone call from her and she asks if i am being a smartass

i will meet her and grudgef**k her..and they wonder why we cannot stand them

i swear, if they did not have pussies, we'd be shooting them for sport

Robert1110
01-30-10, 07:17
yes. i am an american man who usually dates ukrainian women but that's hard to do right now seeing i am in the USA for a hopefully short time.

and yes, since this is the AW thread, it is about an american woman.

sorry for any confusion

Robert1110
01-30-10, 07:35
What you have described is a consequence of our odd American mating system. The man approaches the woman and starts spending as much as he can in the hope that she will grant him access to her vagina so he can continue spending even more to maintain that access. In most cases the man makes his approach as a supplicant from an inferior position. The woman is considered to be more valuable than anything he has to offer, so he competes with other suitors by expending large amounts of his resources. If he is seeing a prostitute and wishes to have her to himself he will pay her more than what he believes other tricks are paying in an attempt to price them out of her pussy.

The average American also thinks that pussy is so valuable that a price cannot be put on it. So you will find outrageous behavior like guys paying to lick a woman’s pussy. They like bowing down to the pussy, licking and worshipping it like some kind of deity that demands their reverence. In some other cultures such behavior is outrageous. In Jamaica such men would be reviled and quickly become social pariahs. It is this cult of pussy worship that makes American guys pay $20,000 for what other men are only willing to pay $30. Once American sex tourists overrun a mongering sweet spot the prices skyrocket. We have seen this pattern repeated over and over again. Too bad a lot of guys don’t realize that they’re only recreating the same conditions they fled from in the first place. You know that the game has been fucked up when your local girls start telling you about one of their girlfriends who got a house and car bought and paid for by some tender under the zipper American man. Then they start expecting you to do the same.


it is not just the american men...it is also some of the RICH men from england or other western european countries.

i know a guy who lived in ukraine for years.. he was very well acquainted with a very good looking semi-pro (who recently married a guy who is clueless about her past and she got around in a big way).

he used to tell me about the guys that she was hooking up with, i was astounded at the money these guys needlessly threw at her..2, 3, 5, sometimes 10 times what she was asking.

they were rich and they liked her so they just threw cash and presents at her. they are COMPLETE MORONS for the very fact that they are ruining it for the rest of us.

they do this for the reasons quoted above..it is embarrassing to me as a man to see other men do what they do to get the pussy they could not otherwise get.

Robert1110
01-30-10, 07:45
Brother, if my dick were to lead me down the path of screwing a woman that looked like her. I would immediately take a machete to my dick.


ROTFLMAO! me TOO!

on another note, i sometimes say to a close friend, if i was born an AW, i would hope and pray for reincarnation because i would kill myself and keep killing myself until i came back as a MAN.

Robert1110
01-30-10, 07:56
We've established that women are prostitutes!

We've established that governments primary desire is to (1) maintain / guarantee a labour force for the present and future as well as a (2) taxation base, and (3) military force. This is the motive of governments: Governments do not exist for you reach your full-potential or to be "all that you can be." Governments exist for their citizenry to be exploited at the benefit of the government.

Who is / are the government? The government is made of (1) asset rich and wealthy individuals, foundations, corporations, and other financial powers; (2) elected politicians who maintain office; (3) appointed persons who perform governmental duties; and (4) line employees for the execution of legislation to keep the lemmings in line.

Women are prostitutes! Whether it's a simple cash-in-hand transaction; courtship; marriage contract; procreation; or divorce settlement, women are receiving financial compensation for romantic associations with males.

Governments are the pimp! The government pimps / panders the female citizenry by legislating the terms of compensation available to females from males. (1) It is illegal to prostitute for cash, but gifts are acceptable. (2) It's "romantic" to court and for the male to pay for the dating expense. (3) The marriage contract is written with male - female equality, but the judiciary interprets the contract with 100% gender bias. Mission accomplished via the bench for the male citizen to degress financially and therefore keep him on the treadmill. (4) Procreation is written with male - female equality, almost, excluding the default custody of offspring. Again, the judiciary interprets the law with 100% gender bias as to keep the male citizen on the treadmill for 18 - 25 years at 17%. In fact, the laws written concerning procreation are in themselves gender biased by the simply fact of (a) no male voice during pregnancy, yet the financial expense: In law this is called "non consideration." (b) Default custody to the mother upon the child being born. In child custody the assessment is "best fit" to rear the child. Therefore, custody should be decided on day 1 of the child's life. Instead, the male must petition the court to be recognized as the child's father. The assessment of child support is void of parental / father's rights. Anyone can be assessed child support obligations. (5) Divorce settlement instills that the male will degress financially as well as become a transient or displaced tenant.

And the list continues as to the measures governments employ in the offerings of their female citizenry upon their male citizenry.

Governments receive tax compensation / commissions at all male - female encounters, just as pimps do. They receive this compensation via taxation and court fees.

Female citizens receive compensation via the cash-in-hand, gifts, and acquisition of assets upon divorce, child support, etcetera.

Male citizens receive "temporary" access to females in a romantic setting.

Understand, the government pimps their female citizens at the demise of their male citizens. And it's legislated with lack-of-payment introducing incarceration penalties.

Why do governments pimp? Governments pimp their female citizenry because governments need (1) a labour pool, (2) taxation base, and (3) bodies for military service. Governments plan and project their futures 1 - 3 generations into the future and therefore need to guarantee that the current generation will produce and hopefully create a second generation of caballos.

** Your fathers never took the time to tell you how to win with women. And such, you became a victim to women just as your father was. Misery loves company. Had your father knew how not to pull caballo or get exploited by women and their government, he would have taught you how to play the game. But he is just another caballo too and doesn't know any better. Hence, he created three (3) generations of caballos (ie. your father; you; and your son). Hopefully, you'll teach your sons how not to pull caballo as describe in Meat Loaf posts. Meat Loaf in Nicaragua. **

absolutely brilliant!

Robert1110
01-30-10, 08:01
Please thats one of the funniest statements made on this board.

Alimony is only awarded in less than 15% of divorces, Palimony less than 5% ... So the majority of Divorces end with no payments to the Wife.


this may be true but child support is an entirely different matter

RonnyRon
01-30-10, 09:03
There is a social phenomenon called, "make it rain" where within strip clubs, johns / tricks / customers throw single dollar bills in stacks of ten or twenty onto the stage for the girls dancing.

Foolish!

This same ideology of showing how much money they are willing to give away for p*ssy access / viewing is what / how they travel and live worldwide.

Look at me. Look how much money I am willing to give away just so that you notice me. It's USA mentality of showing others how much you spend in hopes that they will be your friend.

I stopped giving hoes anything beyond a strong nutt.

To really succeed as a monger, one must live in the country / city that they monger and weed out the hoes that are looking for the USA refugee plan.Only an idiot would do this in any place in the world! I could not agree with you more. It is the main reason why women believe there is a sucker born everyday. Truth be told, they are right. I must say I also believe the NY governor who hired $5,000.00 call girls a pop was just as big an idiot.

RonnyRon

ThatGuy865
01-30-10, 17:00
Only and idiot would do this in any place in the world! I could not agree with you more. It is the main reason why women believe there is a sucker born everyday. Truth be told, they are right. I must say I also believe the NY governor who hired $5,000.00 call girls a pop was just as big an idiot.

RonnyRonIts no more pathetic than what anyone pays. The avg monger travels the world and pays more than the local. Whether its $20 or $60. You are paying more than a local. So therefore to the local you are the same kind of "Asshole". That the rich are to you. If they earn a 500K a year. $500 or even the occasional $1000. Doesn't seem like a lot. Just as $40 to you in whatever country you monger doesn't seem like a lot. Well to a local. It sure does. Money makes the world go round. Ya dig?

ThatGuy865
01-30-10, 17:07
this may be true but child support is an entirely different matterYes it is. And every man should pay child support when the are the father of the kids. Period. Thats the least they can do

Goga Fung
01-30-10, 18:31
Please thats one of the funniest statements made on this board.

Alimony is only awarded in less than 15% of divorces, Palimony less than 5% ... So the majority of Divorces end with no payments to the Wife.ThatGuy,

Could you provide the source for the numbers? Just curious.

I checked some alimony laws, looks scary.

One interesting article:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703399204574505700448957522.html

Americans gave $9.4 billion to former spouses in 2007, up from $5.6 billion a decade earlier, according to the Internal Revenue Service. Men accounted for 97% of alimony-payers last year, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, although the share of women supporting ex-husbands is on the rise.

.............
The article also describes a really messed up case when an alimony was awarded 25 years after the divorce
............

Paul and Theresa Taylor were married for 17 years. He was an engineer for Boston's public-works department, while she worked in accounting at a publishing company. They had three children, a weekend cottage on the bay and a house in the suburbs, on a leafy street called Cranberry Lane. In 1982, when they got divorced, the split was amicable. She got the family home; he got the second home. Both agreed "to waive any right to past, present or future alimony."

But recently, more than two decades after the divorce, Ms. Taylor, 64, told a Massachusetts judge she had no job, retirement savings or health insurance. Earlier this year, the judge ordered Mr. Taylor, now 68 and remarried, to pay $400 per week to support his ex-wife.

"This is insane," Mr. Taylor says, adding that the payments cut his after-tax pension by more than one-third. "Someone can just come back 25 years later and say, 'My life went down the toilet, and you're doing good—so now I want some of your money'?".

RonnyRon
01-30-10, 18:36
I recently received the following email:

If you have a wonderful husband , fiancé or BOYFRIEND,that works hard to provide for you and would do anything just for you, then repost this as your status to give the honest well behaved men out there the recognition that they deserve............because great men are few and far between, and I have one!


I had to reply, what exactly is a well behaved man? Sounds like a pet to me, but again I guess I am rotten to the core. LOL.

RonnyRon

Voyajer1
01-30-10, 20:36
Isn't this what we are all searching for? We can get some satisfaction here in Sex Prison if we learn to tell the right lies (I.E. Yeah, you are the one and only, I can see a future together; much less during a drunken escapade). When I travel overseas, I enjoy the VALUE my pocketbook provides me in getting my groove on. Threesomes, no problem. Foursomes, no big deal. Even 5 or 6 on 1 escapades are in the book. The deal is that any of what I just described is not going to exceed $250. That's VALUE. I never mention them here for fear some dingbat will, as you mentioned, "Make it rain", pay X10 what I or any sane monger did because "It's their money". Sure it is :rolleyes:

But I like having my cake and eating it too, so I will have to be selfish. Many venues have been ruined by these folk. The madness has to stop someday. Since they (You know who you are) don't listen to anyone, maybe they can go out there like guppies and get eaten by the sharks. Hopefully they won't come back to the fun spots after noticing the smirk and non-responsiveness and disrespect of the providers. Again, they are too stupid to follow the guidelines




I stopped giving hoes anything beyond a strong nutt.

To really succeed as a monger, one must live in the country / city that they monger and weed out the hoes that are looking for the USA refugee plan.

Chocha Monger
01-31-10, 00:14
the “big spender” is fast disappearing. unemployment, shrinking paychecks, and a depressed stock market will continue for a long time. easy credit is now a thing of the past. before, any idiot could go out and apply for a credit card, and then use it get cash advances to throw money around in the strip clubs and purchase airfare to mongering destinations. right now, most americans are too scared to even take their measly two weeks vacation because they might return only to find out that they have been downsized. even the ones who think they’re “solid” in their employment find the increased cost of air travel to be too rich for their budgets. corporate junkets have dwindled, and expense accounts are closely scrutinized. the façade of “having money” came crashing down for a lot people. guys who used scrape together money all year for a few nights of “living big” in a third world fleshpot can no longer afford that luxury. the weakened dollar has also dampened their desire throw around money that they need to stave off the repo guy and the eviction notice from their landlord. the addition of new passport regulations also means that guys must go through the trouble of filling out forms, taking photographs and paying fees before they obtain the required travel documents to visit neighboring countries. all of these things have cut back on the number of impulsive spenders hitting mongering locations abroad. the travel numbers clearly show this.

some guys are even saying that fat white girls aren’t so bad after all. this is one of the first signs that many are rationalizing their having to stay home and accept their fate. there will still be some who will go into debt or blow the kid’s college fund to impress hookers, but not as many as before. the demographics of the mongering crowd are changing. the u.s. divorce rate fell 4% in 2009 after rising by 7% in 2007. one of the reasons for this is that there is simply less incentive for women to divorce. the house used to be the biggest prize taken by divorced women. however, the housing market changed that. with many couples underwater in their mortgages whoever gets the house will be stuck with debt instead of equity. the result is that a lot of american wives are deciding to spread their legs, grin and bear it at least until the market recovers. some women will opt to leave the house to the husband and hit him with hefty alimony and child support instead. he will probably end up in foreclosure followed by bankruptcy. that means another divorced man without the means to monger. in the past many guys got divorced, struggled financially for a few years immediately after, then made a recovery and took up the hobby instead of remarrying. now, under current conditions a divorce can be catastrophic, knocking men out of the game financially for several years if not permanently.

traditional pensions have all but vanished. the recession did a number on 401ks. many now have to work until they die on sex prison death row. others will retire but will rub pennies in their “golden” years. expect to see fewer pensioners out mongering. expats on a pension will have to tighten their mongering belts. the heyday of the “slum dog millionaires” may be over for good.

some mongers work abroad in low level employment for subsistence income just to chase pussy. those without substantial assets at home may want to reassess this decision. enjoying third world pussy on the cheap is nice during one’s youth but at what price? will it mean returning home during one’s later years to work as a door greeter part time and dining on generic cat food purchased with clipped coupons? the worldwide recession temporarily eased the rise of oil prices. this will not last indefinitely. oil prices will rise again and in conjunction with shifting weather patterns will drive up food prices significantly in the third world. this can result in shortages and civil unrest. foreigners giving the impression of wealth could well become targets. their local security guards are likely to join the mob or flee rather than confront gangs of armed looters on the rampage when they storm residences to drag out and beat occupants. prostitutes, maids, cooks and hangers on will provide intelligence to the marauders as to the contents of the domiciles targeted.

living in a third world residence means always being one natural disaster away from hopping into the casket. non-existent or unenforced building codes mean you may wake up buried under the collapsed walls of your mansion in the event of an earthquake, hurricane or tsunami. rising fuel prices will drive up the cost of building materials and builders will be tempted to cut corners even more, further exacerbating the problem. that grand mansion that costs a fraction of what it would in the states could well become your final resting place.

sadly none of this supposed opulence is required. in the developing world throwing around money and living big is just a waste of time. it’s blowing hot air and spinning wheels. the truth is that once you learn your way around it’s not hard to find women who will have sex with you for a bottle of pantene ® or a bag of uncle ben’s ®. it’s so easy a caveman can do it.

Paesano63
01-31-10, 02:47
Yes the big spender is less frequent than two years ago. I remember about 4 years ago in the HDR in CR a guy near me tipped the bartender $10 and I looked at him. And he replied "he wanted her to impress her". Of course she took the money and never gave him any attention at all. He was probably the type to pay $200 when he should have paid $50.

Me, while on tour I'm in the game, treat them well, with respect for a service performed. And that's it.

Back home in prude states of america I still find decent older single women. But I'll never settle for a fattie. Pickings are slim for a slim AW. But I can wait.

Ezinho
01-31-10, 05:27
Some mongers work abroad in low level employment for subsistence income just to chase pussy. Those without substantial assets at home may want to reassess this decision. Enjoying Third World pussy on the cheap is nice during one’s youth but at what price? Will it mean returning home during one’s later years to work as a door greeter part time and dining on generic cat food purchased with clipped coupons? it.
Well, the way the economy is going in the U.S., people will be lucky to even get door greeter jobs.

Not to get into an economics discussion, but for us younger guys, maybe 35 and under, I really don't think there is any reason for us to stay in the U.S. The entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare will be severely depleted by the time we reach retirement age. Taxes are too high, the cost of living, food, medical care, are just way too expensive. Too many rules and regulations. And the pussy quality in America, for the most part, is terrible.

You may be right about the problems associated with living in the third world. The older I get and the more I think about it, it's not all it's cracked up to be, living in the third world with a first world bank account. However, there are many places here in Asia, for example, that have a high standard of living, with good jobs, AND good pussy prospects. Ever been to Singapore? Fantastic place, clean, good economy, jobs (if you have skills/education) and the pussy is excellent. Hong Kong is good too. Low taxes; the freest economy in the world, I think it was voted. Even where I live now in South Korea, the economy here is doing very well; a lot of good job opportunites for the savvy. The pussy scene here isn't the best but it's still light years above the States!

We really need an ex-pats thread here on the ISG to discuss things like this.

Gentlemen, run away from the U.S. Run fast, run hard, run like Mexican tap water through a first time gringo tourist, the key work here is RUN!

DJ FourMoney
01-31-10, 06:25
Well, the way the economy is going in the U.S., people will be lucky to even get door greeter jobs.

Not to get into an economics discussion, but for us younger guys, maybe 35 and under, I really don't think there is any reason for us to stay in the U.S. The entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare will be severely depleted by the time we reach retirement age. Taxes are too high, the cost of living, food, medical care, are just way too expensive. Too many rules and regulations. And the pussy quality in America, for the most part, is terrible.

You may be right about the problems associated with living in the third world. The older I get and the more I think about it, it's not all it's cracked up to be, living in the third world with a first world bank account. However, there are many places here in Asia, for example, that have a high standard of living, with good jobs, AND good pussy prospects. Ever been to Singapore? Fantastic place, clean, good economy, jobs (if you have skills/education) and the pussy is excellent. Hong Kong is good too. Low taxes; the freest economy in the world, I think it was voted. Even where I live now in South Korea, the economy here is doing very well; a lot of good job opportunites for the savvy. The pussy scene here isn't the best but it's still light years above the States!

We really need an ex-pats thread here on the ISG to discuss things like this.

Gentlemen, run away from the U.S. Run fast, run hard, run like Mexican tap water through a first time gringo tourist, the key work here is RUN!

Here Here!

We need an EXPAT thread for sure, because most Expat Forums want nothing to do with chasing tail, which this site is mostly about.

There are many members here that spend more than 50% of there time in excellent mongering locations and have given most of the insight needed to stay over 90 days in most places. What's not known are the tricks to stay in country or what options you have to move across boarders to skirt the Schengen requirements (usually found on Lost Planet) and what are your employment options (teaching English?) if you can't afford to live a beggar's "Jet Set" lifestyle I call it.

If the willfully ignorant want to remain in-country then why let them stop you?

I know my best options are OUTSIDE this country, more women, better women overall.

DJ FourMoney
01-31-10, 06:42
Sadly none of this supposed opulence is required. In the developing world throwing around money and living big is just a waste of time. It’s blowing hot air and spinning wheels. The truth is that once you learn your way around it’s not hard to find women who will have sex with you for a bottle of Pantene ® or a bag of Uncle Ben’s ®. It’s so easy a caveman can do it.

ROFL -

I agree with 3rd Worlds, given what happen in Haiti should be a reminder that while the US needs serious infrastructure work, its less likely to come down on your head.

The Northridge Earthquake was much closer to the 7.0 number in Haiti than the 5.7 its claimed to be. I know it was higher but to qualify for FEMA funds we had to fudge the numbers a bit, my step father worked for the City of Los Angeles at the time, also Cal-Tech knows it was higher but didn't say much.

In any event some things came down but most of it didn't and that's key out of 1.3 million in the San Fernando Valley only 57 died.

George90
01-31-10, 17:00
Living in a Third World residence means always being one natural disaster away from hopping into the casket. Non-existent or unenforced building codes mean you may wake up buried under the collapsed walls of your mansion in the event of an earthquake, hurricane or tsunami. Rising fuel prices will drive up the cost of building materials and builders will be tempted to cut corners even more, further exacerbating the problem. That grand mansion that costs a fraction of what it would in the States could well become your final resting place.

C'mon CM and others, don't paint all 3rd world countries as being identical!

There are many countries like Haiti or Sudan that are closer to FOURTH world than third world. There are also many several countries like Brazil or China that are really SECOND world now and no longer third world. And the major cities in those countries, like Soa Paulo, Shanghai, or Mumbai (India), are effectively FIRST world cities with more amenities and better infrastructure than many cities in the US. The US being a FIRST world country didn't help New Orleans one little bit! 5 years later large parts of that city are still unrepaired and are essentially returning to nature.

Much of the 3rd world does have serious problems but at the same time large parts of it have gotten their act together. Those places are viable for happy expat living.

Member #2041
01-31-10, 18:36
ROFL -

I agree with 3rd Worlds, given what happen in Haiti should be a reminder that while the US needs serious infrastructure work, its less likely to come down on your head.

The Northridge Earthquake was much closer to the 7.0 number in Haiti than the 5.7 its claimed to be. I know it was higher but to qualify for FEMA funds we had to fudge the numbers a bit, my step father worked for the City of Los Angeles at the time, also Cal-Tech knows it was higher but didn't say much.

In any event some things came down but most of it didn't and that's key out of 1.3 million in the San Fernando Valley only 57 died.

The Northridge Quake was 6.7 on the Richter, not 5.7, but in fact, it had a ground acceleration metric of 1 g that was typical of a 7.5 quake but the duration was more typical of 6.0 quake.

ThatGuy865
02-01-10, 04:16
There are also many several countries like Brazil or China that are really SECOND world now and no longer third world. And the major cities in those countries, like Soa Paulo, Shanghai, or Mumbai (India), are effectively FIRST world cities with more amenities and better infrastructure than many cities in the US. Those places are viable for happy expat living.Also those places are not cheap to live in either. Rent in those cities you mentioned, in a place where most westerners would want to live are not cheap and run pretty close if not the same in major USA cities.

Starchild2012
02-01-10, 05:30
ROFL -

I agree with 3rd Worlds, given what happen in Haiti should be a reminder that while the US needs serious infrastructure work, its less likely to come down on your head.

The Northridge Earthquake was much closer to the 7.0 number in Haiti than the 5.7 its claimed to be. I know it was higher but to qualify for FEMA funds we had to fudge the numbers a bit, my step father worked for the City of Los Angeles at the time, also Cal-Tech knows it was higher but didn't say much.

In any event some things came down but most of it didn't and that's key out of 1.3 million in the San Fernando Valley only 57 died.

Not to scare anyone...but you may wanna get out of US now as the Illuminati has planned the BIG ONE anytime soon.

Haiti earthquake was the symbolism, just like fall of Tiger woods, just before the year of the Tiger from Chinese zodiac.

It could be nuclear, earthquake or financial collapse from Feb 1 to Feb 14, 2010..very important dates for the Illuminati to carry out their nasty plans.

http://illuminatimatrix.wordpress.com/49-december-19-55-days-before-2010-olympics-health-care-reform-bill-passes-merging-merying-marrying-the-health-care-reform-bill-climate-change-conference-frustrates-50-days-before-olympics/

ThatGuy865
02-01-10, 06:44
Not to scare anyone...but you may wanna get out of US now as the Illuminati has planned the BIG ONE anytime soon.

Haiti earthquake was the symbolism, just like fall of Tiger woods, just before the year of the Tiger from Chinese zodiac.

It could be nuclear, earthquake or financial collapse from Feb 1 to Feb 14, 2010..very important dates for the Illuminati to carry out their nasty plans.

http://illuminatimatrix.wordpress.com/49-december-19-55-days-before-2010-olympics-health-care-reform-bill-passes-merging-merying-marrying-the-health-care-reform-bill-climate-change-conference-frustrates-50-days-before-olympics/Some one call the guys in the white coats.

One must have escaped!

Bango Cheito
02-01-10, 09:04
To clarify that.. I live here in Bogota.... I miss NOTHING in infrastructure from the US.... I have only cold water here, but I could get hot water on demand if I wanted it... cheaply. Newer buildings are built like shit here, but that goes for just about everywhere... and they ARE for the most part earthquake complaint in a way almost nothing is in the US. Not that I really think thinking about such things is anything more than a waste of time, but for the record...

I make about 2/3 of what I made in NY, and my expenses WITH health insurance, maid service and sending my laundry out are about 1/6 of what they were in the US having to do all my own cleaning and laundry and with NO insurance. That's a pretty big difference in quality of life.

Not to mention I have a whole new standard for what a good looking woman is, and an even greater one for level of conversation, intelligence, etc.

The US is FINISHED!

Chocha Monger
02-01-10, 10:27
Well, the way the economy is going in the U.S., people will be lucky to even get door greeter jobs.

Not to get into an economics discussion, but for us younger guys, maybe 35 and under, I really don't think there is any reason for us to stay in the U.S. The entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare will be severely depleted by the time we reach retirement age. Taxes are too high, the cost of living, food, medical care, are just way too expensive. Too many rules and regulations. And the pussy quality in America, for the most part, is terrible.

You may be right about the problems associated with living in the third world. The older I get and the more I think about it, it's not all it's cracked up to be, living in the third world with a first world bank account. However, there are many places here in Asia, for example, that have a high standard of living, with good jobs, AND good pussy prospects. Ever been to Singapore? Fantastic place, clean, good economy, jobs (if you have skills/education) and the pussy is excellent. Hong Kong is good too. Low taxes; the freest economy in the world, I think it was voted. Even where I live now in South Korea, the economy here is doing very well; a lot of good job opportunites for the savvy. The pussy scene here isn't the best but it's still light years above the States!

We really need an ex-pats thread here on the ISG to discuss things like this.

Gentlemen, run away from the U.S. Run fast, run hard, run like Mexican tap water through a first time gringo tourist, the key work here is RUN!
It’s true that there wouldn’t be much to look forward to from social security in the future for young guys. The tax situation is not the best either if you’re a single high earner. However, while some guys are finding good jobs in places with decent standards of living, others are becoming bamboo hut dwellers or living in sweltering apartments subsisting on little more than rice with the occasional chicken gizzard. It was this kind of austere self imposed living conditions that I referred to.

There is nothing wrong with leaving the U.S. if you can improve your standard of living by doing so. What I find questionable is sacrificing present and future earnings for the sake of pussy while jeopardizing one’s health and safety in the process. I have, and I’m sure some of you have, met older American guys down on skid row abroad roaming the streets in fits of raving madness. All I’m saying is guys should have a better plan for expatriation than teaching English or becoming a musician.

Opebo
02-01-10, 11:19
...What I find questionable is sacrificing present and future earnings for the sake of pussy while jeopardizing one’s health and safety in the process. I have, and I’m sure some of you have, met older American guys down on skid row abroad roaming the streets in fits of raving madness. All I’m saying is guys should have a better plan for expatriation than teaching English or becoming a musician.

Your reasoning is good, except for one missing part of the picture - for most of us teaching in Thailand, the alternative back in the US is not a better standard of living, but some job on the order of working in a convenience store. I make around $1,200/month in Thailand, and this is probably roughly what I could make in the US as well.

Meat Loaf
02-01-10, 12:00
Guys that are will to pay 20% for 18 - 25 years for a piece of a*s today is pathetic.

Some guys leave the USA to chase a*s and place themselves in peril.

Waiting for the retirement pension to explore the world, or better yet, one country is not a successful life. You better justify it by saying, "I was there for my kids."

The USA has 320 million suckers: It's only natural that a few thousand will sneak out of the USA and bring their ignorance and caballo mentality to a foreign locale. This is why if you live in a place, you can win 'cause they will learn that you aren't the caballo.

320 million suckers: How many of those "poo-butts" go to monger meccas? And how many of them strictly chase prostitutes? How many of these "Old Gringos" can communicate with the populace? How many of these fools can get a date or court a non-prostitute?

Answer: They aren't any competition and if they want to act foolish, 'oh well. While he sends Western Union and gets himself in further USA legislative actions, I'll still be f*cking her. And so will everyone else. And while I'm f*cking her I laugh at the sucker; she laughs too; and I bust a raw dogg nutt in her cheeks, vagina, and rectum.

Clandestine782
02-01-10, 13:36
your reasoning is good, except for one missing part of the picture - for most of us teaching in thailand, the alternative back in the us is not a better standard of living, but some job on the order of working in a convenience store. i make around $1,200/month in thailand, and this is probably roughly what i could make in the us as well.
this is correct. and there is more:

1. you could work really hard in the us and repeat the party line (about this or that) and still find yourself downsized. going through my various degrees (2 in chemistry), i have found that if you can find a bench job, then the market price is about $15 per hour ($30,000 per annum) with benefits of which you must bear the greater part of the cost. after about 5 years of experience, then the price goes up to about $20 per hour ($40,000 per annum). it's an ok salary (but likely not enough to land a hot asian girl. and even if you did land her, it is likely that that bell would stop ringing after about one year of sex with the same person) .

2. if you work teaching english (i have done that) or teaching science (i do that now) or playing music (i have done that before and will get back to it as soon as i can feel my way around this city), at least there is a demand for your services. i remember once passing through a university lobby in the united states. there was a quartet (keyboard, drums, guitar and bass guitar) and they were playing jazz standards. (they are not easy to play and require a lot of practice to get up to playable speed.) they each got $20!!! and this is after buying their own equipment and lugging it along with them. on the other hand, i played christmas (piano) at a hotel and got 1,300rmb for less than an hour worth of work. i saw a white girl here (she had the iq of a random boot full of ukrainian goat [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140)) who made a living as a singer. i met another hispanic chick (she was very attractive) who couldn't find work in the states-- even with her sexy looks. but she could find it here in china-- even if it was only at a small bar. non ideal jobs are probably better than none at all.

3. how many people in the us did all that saving/ sacrificing and how much income was foregone to pay for a house-- the value of which promptly turned into garbage as soon as the real estate (emperor has no clothes) crisis hit? i have an aunt that paid $400,000 for a house that she almost couldn't give away. people in my hometown built houses up off the ground-- and then got sat out of them when the crisis hit. after "quantitative easing," a lot of those people are going to find out that people who took another route actually came out a lot better off. (i don't need to remind you that you could buy a $50,000 car and have it paid off in 5-6 years but a $50,000 house would take something like 10 years.)

4. the point of having income is for access to pussy. don't you remember aristotle onassis saying "if there were no women, you could have all the money in the world and it would have no meaning"? and the women in the united states are not, by and large, much to write home about. if you have an average income (and access to fat, ugly women) in the states vs. an above average income (when you calculate it in the local currency) and accommodation included and access to the best looking supply of women on the planet (like in china/ japan/ thailand), i am not sure who is coming out way ahead. but when you consider how much more generally expensive pussy is in the united states, it kind of makes you think.

if you are heavily into the pay for play scene, you still win! you get to fuck women that you would never be able to get at home (1) of higher quality than you might be able to get dating in the local market in whatever asian country you are in (2) maximum vaginal multiplicity/ variety (3) and access to this vagina on the terms that you want it (=with a minimum of conversation) (4) and they get up and leave when you are finished with them (5). i think sinatra said that you don't pay a hooker to stay. you pay her to leave.

so, i guess in a nutshell, that it is not a good idea to think of people as less intelligent if they make their calculation about what is valuable/ feasible/ useful/ sensible based on a different data set. and as this crisis has shown us, many years of hard work can go up in smoke *just* that quickly.

Capt Ajax
02-01-10, 15:38
Not to scare anyone...but you may wanna get out of US now as the Illuminati has planned the BIG ONE anytime soon.

Haiti earthquake was the symbolism, just like fall of Tiger woods, just before the year of the Tiger from Chinese zodiac.

It could be nuclear, earthquake or financial collapse from Feb 1 to Feb 14, 2010..very important dates for the Illuminati to carry out their nasty plans.

http://illuminatimatrix.wordpress.com/49-december-19-55-days-before-2010-olympics-health-care-reform-bill-passes-merging-merying-marrying-the-health-care-reform-bill-climate-change-conference-frustrates-50-days-before-olympics/

I really believe the next big one will be the complete collapse of the World's Financial system. We ain't seen anything yet. The collapse of 2008 was just the primer, the fuse has been lit, the Banking elites have made out like bandits, main street will be left to deal with the mess.

Clandestine782
02-01-10, 16:02
I really believe the next big one will be the complete collapse of the World's Financial system. We ain't seen anything yet. The collapse of 2008 was just the primer, the fuse has been lit, the Banking elites have made out like bandits, main street will be left to deal with the mess.Please, no conspiracy theorists! Would it surprise you to know that there have been many financial collapses before? The world bounced back from the Great Depression. And it bounced back from the 80s. And it bounced back again from the Asian Crisis of 1997? And I found out that it has been going on for even longer than that. Some people wrote a book about 800 years of financial crises. (When I get through this latest shipment of books, I will buy that one and have it imported.) What is your evidence to say that this time is fundamentally different from every other time? And how is it defined?

Meat Loaf
02-01-10, 17:54
Please, no conspiracy theorists! Would it surprise you to know that there have been many financial collapses before? The world bounced back from the Great Depression. And it bounced back from the 80s. And it bounced back again from the Asian Crisis of 1997? And I found out that it has been going on for even longer than that. Some people wrote a book about 800 years of financial crises. (When I get through this latest shipment of books, I will buy that one and have it imported.) What is your evidence to say that this time is fundamentally different from every other time? And how is it defined?

The ease and issuance of too much debt caused some banks to suffer. Banks have various budgets for various loans: They don't invest their entire portfolio upon your "word" or credit report.

US $1 circulates the economy / banking system 9 times.

The foolish behaivor, evidence by USA government spending at present, of indebtedness is how the system ceased. The banks simply stopped wanting to take the risk. It's only been less than 18-months of tighter loan requirements.

Banks are not in business to loan you money for your consumer lifestyle and dreams. They are in business to loan money and make a profit from the interest.

It's not their problem that you, debtors, don't have responsible financial management practices.

I'm glad it ceased and I'll be happier when foreclosures and bankruptcies increase. Teach you debtors a lesson.

This notion that everyone should have a house is foolish USA indebtedness. 70% mortgage holders, not home owners.

Markets go up and down. Money is made on both sides. A collapse is good if you're short or purchase discounted assets.

USA has 0% financial / economic education, evidenced by their consumer economy of 60% GDP. Their voice / opinion is moot due to their ignorance. Prime example is buying a car, depreciating asset, every 5-years. US $30,000 car will cost US $45,000 in 5-years and be worth US $15,000. Real smart.

Creditors have the rights, not the debtor. After the first three creditors get paid in a "BK", all of the money is gone and everyone else is empty handed including the employees (ie. #7 in line) and the tax man.

All because the USA ceased does not mean the market ceased elsewhere!

Lastly, other loans are available for "credit worthy" customers, but the USA debtor is not credit worthy. All the USA debtor has is a "guaranteed" labour market and legislation that forces them to stay on the treadmill to satisfy the debt payment.

Loans are available, but not on your signature: We want tangible collateral. And the rates have increased. You're paying up to 18% for credit cards, but don't want to pay 10% - 14% for a business loan? They don't want to pay 2% for a factored invoice.

18-months is nothing anyway. Markets trend for decades. And this notion that a recession is bad is also some nonsense.

DJ FourMoney
02-02-10, 01:56
The Northridge Quake was 6.7 on the Richter, not 5.7, but in fact, it had a ground acceleration metric of 1 g that was typical of a 7.5 quake but the duration was more typical of 6.0 quake.

After 10 or more years some facts become fuzzy thanks for the corrections.

It shook like a MOFO, I was screaming like a ***** but, as my boy always will point out, when the ground stops moving are the women going to go out and shut off the power and the gas to prevent things from going kaboom?

That's the first thing me and Pops did...

In other AW related news, I found this on Black Men Vent -

http://www.newsweek.com/id/232112


The Case Against Settling


Remember that scene in When Harry Met Sally when Harry refuses to believe that a man called Sheldon could be a great lover? "A Sheldon can do your taxes," he says. "If you need a root canal, he's your man. But between the sheets is not Sheldon's strong suit." Sally didn't care—but Lori Gottlieb did. In her new book, Marry Him: The Case for Settling for Mr. Good Enough, she says she hesitated before dating someone because he had the name of a "nerdy sidekick." She also balked at the fact that he had been upset by his divorce a year earlier, he loved sports, and he was born in the Bronx, a place she "associated with beer-can-smashing guys with thick accents." Her type, she said, was "sophisticated intellectuals."

Sounds awful, right? As she weighed up her matchmaker's assurances that this man was not "belching" or "rough talking" and had been Ivy League-educated, "Sheldon" started dating another woman. This incident caused Gottlieb to rethink her standards—and go on to mount a case that the reason many women are unable to find love is that they are superficial and hypercritical, as she was. Gottlieb, a 42-year-old single mother, caused quite a stir when she wrote a piece for The Atlantic in 2008 telling women to settle for men with shortcomings like bad breath—and not hold out for a big, heart-clenching love. If they did not, she argued, they would find themselves alone and without someone to help with the hard slog of bringing up kids. Marriage, she wrote, was not a "passionfest," but a "boring, nonprofit business." Just makes a girl want to crack open the champagne, doesn't it? In her book, Gottlieb posits herself as the latest example of that now-clichéd cautionary tale, Women Who Dare to Dream of Love, Don't Find It, and End Up Tragically Alone. The prevalence of these kinds of stories does not diminish the struggle and heartbreak behind them. Gottlieb's sadness is another lament for the unlucky in a generation who delayed marriage longer than any other, risking their fertility, and found themselves fighting for a family in ways our mothers would not have dreamed of. Half a dozen of my friends are having children on their own: buying sperm, signing up for IVF, freezing eggs.

But it's a leap of illogic to suggest that the answer is for women to settle for humdrum marriages with men you tolerate so you can have a father for your children. How insulting for men: imagine going to a boyfriend's house and seeing Marry Her: The Case for Settling for Ms. Good Enough on his shelves. And whom does Gottlieb blame? Guess. "I know this is an unpopular thing to say," she writes, "but feminism has completely f--ked up my love life." Um, I know why it's unpopular: because it's completely unfair. Feminism is a centuries-old social movement, not a self-help book—we can't blame it for bad decisions we make about men. The problem, as Gottlieb sees it, is that women were told they could have it all, which meant not compromising in any aspect of life, including dating (which is odd because people who can't compromise aren't feminists, they are just generally unpleasant people). Then women got so fussy that they "empowered themselves out of a mate."

This twisted thinking makes my head hurt. First, the only evidence offered to prove that women expect too much is anecdotal. Are some women too picky? Sure. People are shallow, unkind, and judgmental. But I don't know any women who have checklists. If they do, I imagine it's something most grow out of. If you will only date someone who looks like Brad Pitt, "earns a gazillion dollars, and makes your knees go weak every time you're together," as Gottlieb writes, then you're probably either 20 or stupid. Most of us just want to love and be loved. The data show that when it comes to money and education, women are in fact lowering their standards. A Pew study released Jan. 19 found that in 1970, 4 percent of wives earned more than their husbands. In 2007, 22 percent did. The percentage of women who had more education than their husbands rose from 20 to 28.

Second, no movement could possibly tame the great wild lions of love, lust, and luck. Feminists fought for respect and equality: they never promised a perfect world, where nonbelching princes would gallop up at exactly the right time and impregnate us. They told us to be wary of fairy tales, and not to spend our lives waiting for them to come true. It doesn't mean you have to "settle," or give up on love. Some things are still worth dreaming about.

Julia Baird

Even a comment that I think you'll enjoy -

A comment:


"I had a female neighbor who was with the neanderthal with the greek god looks, when she had trouble in her life, I helped her in a number of ways that her boyfriend would not. I didnt see her as a potential mate, her life was waay too out of whack, if anything, I had pity for her situation. After they split up, one weekend when she drank too much, she told me that she had feelings for me. I tried to be pleasant but firm, but told her outright that we were not a romantic match. She found a near exact replica of the last boyfriend,along with a replicated list of problems, and would regularly lament that "If only he acted like you" and it occurred to me that she was really saying, "If only You looked like him." If looks are all you're after, that's all You're going to get. So every time she would complain about her man, I would chime in "Yeah, but he looks good, right?" She never caught my hint. She lost her house and I've lost contact with her, and I keep thinking she's probably got the best looking guy in the trailer park. (Not intended to offend anyone living in a trailer park, I've lived in one myself in the past, but I hope You get my point.)"

Capt Ajax
02-02-10, 01:58
Please, no conspiracy theorists! Would it surprise you to know that there have been many financial collapses before? The world bounced back from the Great Depression. And it bounced back from the 80s. And it bounced back again from the Asian Crisis of 1997? And I found out that it has been going on for even longer than that. Some people wrote a book about 800 years of financial crises. (When I get through this latest shipment of books, I will buy that one and have it imported.) What is your evidence to say that this time is fundamentally different from every other time? And how is it defined?

These three charts show just how truly screwed up we are as a nation. There are rumors that the U.S Govt has plans to raid our 401k retirement plans, since the Chinese, Japanese and other foreigners have stopped buying our debt. Foreigners have finally figured out our debt is worthless and will never be paid back.

If you notice the Debt to GDP chart shows a smaller peak on the left which was the Debt mountain built during the Great Depression and took a decade to work itself through. Now look at the Debt mountain on the right which is our debt problem right at this very moment. How long do you think it's going to take to work itself out?

Chocha Monger
02-02-10, 02:33
The amateur porn video of John Edwards fucking his pregnant mistress, Rielle Hunter, is expected to out sell Avatar when it finally hits the market. Interestingly, Andrew Young's wife and Elizabeth Edwards both went along with covering up the love child during Edwards' presidential campaign in the hopes of benefiting if he won. It shows that while AW huff and puff about the sanctity of marriage in the end money and power trumps all.

Edwards is well on his way of becoming the John Holmes of the political sex scandal industry and he seems to be adjusting to his new found fame quite well.

Meesee
02-02-10, 04:15
Edwards is well on his way of becoming the John Holmes of the political sex scandal industry and he seems to be adjusting to his new found fame quite well.Hey. It depends on what your definition of is is.

Calculator
02-02-10, 06:04
These three charts show just how truly screwed up we are as a nation. There are rumors that the U.S Govt has plans to raid our 401k retirement plans, since the Chinese, Japanese and other foreigners have stopped buying our debt. Foreigners have finally figured out our debt is worthless and will never be paid back.

If you notice the Debt to GDP chart shows a smaller peak on the left which was the Debt mountain built during the Great Depression and took a decade to work itself through. Now look at the Debt mountain on the right which is our debt problem right at this very moment. How long do you think it's going to take to work itself out?I agree. Let's simplify all this even more. Our national debt should hit about $13 trillion in the hole after this year's projected $1. 6 trillion deficit. Compare that with say China which has TRILLIONS in RESERVE. Why should they continue to buy our treasuries which currently yield anywhere from. 05 to 2% percent depending on maturity and their AAA ratings start to become questionable. Why not start buying some quality US companies and some fairly priced US prime real estate with all this trillions in reserve? That's where it's slowly headed: Equity losses for the US and even more of a debtor future.

Mike12
02-02-10, 10:54
Not to scare anyone...but you may wanna get out of US now as the Illuminati has planned the BIG ONE anytime soon.

Haiti earthquake was the symbolism, just like fall of Tiger woods, just before the year of the Tiger from Chinese zodiac.

It could be nuclear, earthquake or financial collapse from Feb 1 to Feb 14, 2010..very important dates for the Illuminati to carry out their nasty plans.

http://illuminatimatrix.wordpress.com/49-december-19-55-days-before-2010-olympics-health-care-reform-bill-passes-merging-merying-marrying-the-health-care-reform-bill-climate-change-conference-frustrates-50-days-before-olympics/

Anything about Tila Tequila in there?

Meat Loaf
02-02-10, 13:39
I agree. Let's simplify all this even more. Our national debt should hit about $13 trillion in the hole after this year's projected $1. 6 trillion deficit. Compare that with say China which has TRILLIONS in RESERVE. Why should they continue to buy our treasuries which currently yield anywhere from. 05 to 2% percent depending on maturity and their AAA ratings start to become questionable. Why not start buying some quality US companies and some fairly priced US prime real estate with all this trillions in reserve? That's where it's slowly headed: Equity losses for the US and even more of a debtor future.

It's rather funny how the USA thinks they're doing something. For a country that is only 230 years old, roughly speaking, China is thousands of years old. China has watched countries start and finish. They watched the USA for a few centuries and decided to play the USA game for a while. The USA can't beat China in anything: War, finance, population control, etcetera.

Since the USA is a 100% consumer, not saver they will forever be on the treadmill. As long as they can purchase consumer items to "fool" their neighbors and others overseas, the USA will be happy. In return, the creditor will be China or someone of similar status.

Starchild2012
02-03-10, 15:39
Anything about Tila Tequila in there?

:)...She could be another mind control CIA slaves...who knows...Aren't there enough kids in US to be adopted?

D Cups
02-03-10, 16:33
The thing with American women (and AmericanIZED women), maybe world-wide I dunno, is that the more you give (money, time) the more they want. Sure, some of them give back (and can be good lovers, cooks, housekeepers) but it seems to me they are always COMPETING instead of cooperating. And they are never satisfied. And when they get in their 40s and 50s - forget it. They all become menopausal psychotics to some degree.

E.g.1, My buddy three houses down from me has been married for 20+ years. Helluva nice guy: electrician, good looking, tall, nice home, plays guitar for fun, putting two kids through college (one at Stanford) so he has his act together, right? His wife now keeps track of the time he plays guitar instead of doing bullshit with her and for her. I mean she actually tallies the hours. Can you believe this shit? I don't know why he puts up with it.

E.g.,2, my next buddy married a nice Filipina, put her through nursing school in California where she now makes >100K. He recently retired after working hard his whole life. He has to beg her for money now because she sends a third to her moocher relatives in the PI and spends another third on bullshit she sees on TV; and she has a gambling debt of 50K. Not a real good retirement plan if you ask me.

E.g., 3 my next buddy married a cute little busty Russian girl who produced three kids (she's 30 something, he fifty something). She is a homemaker (no paid job) and he is in finance; and did pretty good until last coupla years. He bought her a brand new mercedes benz for her birthday (imagine someone giving you a car like that). Her response: "why didn't you buy the bigger model"? I swear, that's what she said. Can you believe this shit?

It is for these reasons that I am leaving America, American women and Americanized women: these broads have forgotten their role: to be a helpmate to their man (not a burden). I'm certain you have your own true horror stories.

As I have stated many times in different ISG forums, I'm going to retire in or near Dumaguete, PI (near Cebu) in 10 years or less (I'm 54). Hell, the USA is going downhill anyway. Our bipartisan politics and big business rote greed have irretrievably fucked it all up. I am a business professor and I know what I am talking about.

In Dumaguete, my goal is to find a 20-something Pinay to put through nursing school and bolt on some DDs. Maybe marry her so we can buy property and build a self-designed house. She can work if she wants but her main job is to take care of me. Not that I need any nursing -- just good sex :). We may visit America but she will never live here to avoid the inevitable tainting exemplified above.

If any of you mongers want to settle down when you are ready join me in Dumaguete, hit me up. There are quite a few Americans and Europeans living there and we will have a good 'ol time unencumbered by the tragedy that typifies American women.

'Til then, happy horndogging!

Calculator
02-04-10, 05:11
D Cups:

You hit it right on the head with your 3 examples of your buddies. How sad for them. I have been thinking about marrying a foreign woman the last couple of years now (I'm 47). However, since becoming a member of this site, I have learned that it's the americanization/westernization that does it and not whether she is necessarily born here or in another country.

As cynical as I've become of American women, I'm also slowly becoming cynical of those who establish roots here from other countries and get ingrained into our crazy " feminist " culture. I've seen beautiful Polish girls and Chinese girls who, in a few short years here, have changed dramatically and are also becoming too demanding to us here.

The living abroad idea is slowly starting to make more sense for myself as well. I was startled by how jealous a couple of my married buddies were when I got back from the DR last fall. I will do a little research on your PI location also.

Vaquero
02-04-10, 07:13
some sexy-voiced mexicana related to my work has been suggesting we spend time together. she's in another city, so i requested she e-mail a photo, and sure enough, she's a big girl. they put extra work into the voice.

and i'm thinking of the last big girl i was with, a gringa. and though i straight up told that broad i wasn't looking for a relationship, she's totally hating me now that i agreed to forego sex if i didn't want to commit.

the reality is what peers have explained to me all along. there's no fury worse than a woman scorned.

but at the same time, after a certain age, unless they're loaded, which is an alibi, any sexual encounter hinges on being a lease-to-buy situation. if they take the dick, you must commit. or they just hate you. which ain't so bad.

my brother noticed in college how girls would even look at his shoes to judge his income. though we do well now, we both still dress like bums.

and yet i'm feeling this increased pressure to put on airs to snag superficial women.

Meat Loaf
02-04-10, 13:50
Wow, you are planning your retirement. Too bad it's 10-years away before you'll start getting that Filipina p*ssy.

Meat Loaf
02-04-10, 13:54
D Cups:

You hit it right on the head with your 3 examples of your buddies. How sad for them. I have been thinking about marrying a foreign woman the last couple of years now (I'm 47). However, since becoming a member of this site, I have learned that it's the americanization/westernization that does it and not whether she is necessarily born here or in another country.

As cynical as I've become of American women, I'm also slowly becoming cynical of those who establish roots here from other countries and get ingrained into our crazy " feminist " culture. I've seen beautiful Polish girls and Chinese girls who, in a few short years here, have changed dramatically and are also becoming too demanding to us here.

The living abroad idea is slowly starting to make more sense for myself as well. I was startled by how jealous a couple of my married buddies were when I got back from the DR last fall. I will do a little research on your PI location also.

It's obvious that anybody who wants to immigrate or visit the USA, wants to become an American in all of its forms.

In contrast, I immigrated to Latin America from the USA, age 25, and have not attempted to become "Nicaraguan-ized."

I do not date any girl that wants to go to the USA. Besides, I won't be a USA citizen for much longer, thank God.

Meat Loaf
02-04-10, 13:59
some sexy-voiced mexicana related to my work has been suggesting we spend time together. she's in another city, so i requested she e-mail a photo, and sure enough, she's a big girl. they put extra work into the voice.

and i'm thinking of the last big girl i was with, a gringa. and though i straight up told that broad i wasn't looking for a relationship, she's totally hating me now that i agreed to forego sex if i didn't want to commit.

the reality is what peers have explained to me all along. there's no fury worse than a woman scorned.

but at the same time, after a certain age, unless they're loaded, which is an alibi, any sexual encounter hinges on being a lease-to-buy situation. if they take the dick, you must commit. or they just hate you. which ain't so bad.

my brother noticed in college how girls would even look at his shoes to judge his income. though we do well now, we both still dress like bums.

and yet i'm feeling this increased pressure to put on airs to snag superficial women.

show the hoes flash; get them hooked; f*ck them hoes; and give them us $0. don't spend too much on the date, if you even bother taking her on a date. i'm honest and tell them straight-up that they better pay.

they reply, "i can do bad all by myself." my answer, "then go ahead. goodbye."

females cannot take / accept it when you refuse the p*ssy. i love turning down the p*ssy.

to win as a male, you must be 100% hardcore and the person you truly don't want to be. unfortunately, survival requires the male behave that way. if not, he'll be a caballo waiting for his 60s to start f*cking females again. he's scared to commit adultery until that time.

Meat Loaf
02-04-10, 14:20
So, I've gotten more vicious with my "pimp hand" when it comes to these hoes.

Topic of Conversation: Children.

Girls will ask if I have any children and I tell them yes, although I do not. I then immediately tell that the mother gets US $0 in "child support." This is said as to thwart their idea that they can play me for 20-years with offspring. They then ask why the mother gets US $0 in financial assistance to rear the offspring. I reply that I need my cash for their p*ssy access and whatever loser the mother finds can pay her for p*ssy access, just as I am doing with the hoe-of-the-day. I then tell them that children are the problem of the mother.

What's funny is that all of these girls have children and are struggling, if not prostituting, for SURVIVAL and financial subsistence of the offspring.

I then tell them that my job as a male is to f*ck b*tches and get them pregnant. And when they do get pregnant, it will be cool, but don't expect anything other than US $0. In fact, I might not give a f*ck.

Do you know what happens next?

We have sex raw dogg and while we're f*cking I'm telling them that I'm going to get them pregnant with a huge load. I then bust a nutt in their gutts and tell them you contact me in 9-months when the baby is born. I hold their legs high in the air so that the sperm can travel to their ovaries.

Females Don't Give a F*ck.

Although I try to make the most unattractive proprosition that guarantees their demise, they don't care. They simply want to f*ck and maybe get pregnant so they can have a new toy to display.

And they want males to take responsibility for the female's actions / motives.

If I were them, I would run far away from me when I use this "sales pitch" 'cause it's gauranteed failure for them.

Helpmann
02-04-10, 14:28
It's not the fault of the American woman, it's the fault of the American man. We are responsible for the condition of the American women: lazy, selfish, dependent, materialistic, and self-entitled, with no sense of duty or honor.

It's not just that American men have slowly given away their legal advantages, American men have put "pussy on a pedestal."

So what does that really mean, "pussy on a pedestal"? It means that American men value women more than themselves. Ain't that some crazy shit? What's even worse is that American men have been exporting these crazy ideas through travel and media to continents where men know how to control their women. You think anyone in Asia, Africa, or South America believes that a woman has more "value" than a man? Fuck NO!!! But in the USA, you see examples of American man's low self-image everyday. From Tiger Woods to John Edwards to Bill Clinton. Rich, famous, powerful men of value losing millions or losing power to women of so infinitesimal value.

Just because you can take the American man out of the states (Brazil, Thailand, Colombia), doesn't mean that the states (this wrong-headed mentality) isn't still in him. Until American men can truly view women as their inferiors and pussy as just another commodity to be bought and sold, nothing is going to change in this country. Don't "be" Tiger Woods, be... "Chris Brown."

Raise your sons "right" and don't fear the use of the "pimp hand."

-Helpmann :cool:

Booey
02-04-10, 15:05
Just because you can take the American man out of the states (Brazil, Thailand, Colombia), doesn't mean that the states (this wrong-headed mentality) isn't still in him. Until American men can truly view women as their inferiors and pussy as just another commodity to be bought and sold, nothing is going to change in this country. Don't "be" Tiger Woods, B. "Chris Brown. "

Raise your sons "right" and don't fear the use of the "pimp hand. "

-HelpmannWhile I generally agree with you and I wake up every morning, thankful that I never married and don't have any kids I will disagree about going "Chris Brown" on a woman. Hitting a woman is not acceptable as far as I am concerned and it can also lead to a lot of legal trouble as well. You can still have a strong pimp hand without resorting to violence.

D Cups
02-04-10, 15:15
D Cups:

You hit it right on the head with your 3 examples of your buddies. How sad for them. I have been thinking about marrying a foreign woman the last couple of years now (I'm 47). However, since becoming a member of this site, I have learned that it's the americanization/westernization that does it and not whether she is necessarily born here or in another country.

As cynical as I've become of American women, I'm also slowly becoming cynical of those who establish roots here from other countries and get ingrained into our crazy " feminist " culture. I've seen beautiful Polish girls and Chinese girls who, in a few short years here, have changed dramatically and are also becoming too demanding to us here.

The living abroad idea is slowly starting to make more sense for myself as well. I was startled by how jealous a couple of my married buddies were when I got back from the DR last fall. I will do a little research on your PI location also.

Thanks, Calculator. All --every one of-- my married buddies wish they weren't. It's just a matter of time for the newlyweds, too.

Yes, check out Dumaguete and the rest of Negro Island. Let's start a colony of Filipinomericans there! I particularly want to invite amateur musicians who like to rock and roll to 70s music. I'm planning on building a small ampitheatre and studio where we can jam to our heart's content. What a great way to spend the golden years! Rockin and rollin with some sweet young pussy! Dumaguete is not for *****mongers and I hope never becomes that way but there is plenty of pussy in nearby Cebu.

As for Meatloaf, I nailed 20 Filipinas in 26 days last year so I think I know how good their pussies are! Why do you think I am moving there? :)
I lived at Clark in the 80s, too. Former executive officer of Clark AB.

I travel annually on business to Vietnam and visit at least one other country while I'm there. This year it is BKK and HCMC (and Vung Tau). Next year it will be HCMC, Penom Penh, Cebu and Dumaguete. I love my job!

D Cups
02-04-10, 15:29
It's not the fault of the American woman, it's the fault of the American man. We are responsible for the condition of the American women: lazy, selfish, dependent, materialistic, and self-entitled, with no sense of duty or honor.

It's not just that American men have slowly given away their legal advantages, American men have put "pussy on a pedestal."

So what does that really mean, "pussy on a pedestal"? It means that American men value women more than themselves. Ain't that some crazy shit? What's even worse is that American men have been exporting these crazy ideas through travel and media to continents where men know how to control their women. You think anyone in Asia, Africa, or South America believes that a woman has more "value" than a man? Fuck NO!!! But in the USA, you see examples of American man's low self-image everyday. From Tiger Woods to John Edwards to Bill Clinton. Rich, famous, powerful men of value losing millions or losing power to women of so infinitesimal value.

Just because you can take the American man out of the states (Brazil, Thailand, Colombia), doesn't mean that the states (this wrong-headed mentality) isn't still in him. Until American men can truly view women as their inferiors and pussy as just another commodity to be bought and sold, nothing is going to change in this country. Don't "be" Tiger Woods, be... "Chris Brown."

Raise your sons "right" and don't fear the use of the "pimp hand."

-Helpmann :)At the core of each of us is our own personal value sytem. I'm not saying we should de-value women but maybe Helpmann is right. Women HAVE de-valued men and we need to reclaim our masculinity in another part of the world where men are still men.

I work with a lot of women and have to outwardly demonstrate respect for their professional contributions and families but I could never, ever let them know how I really feel about their big fat asses and sad and sorry ambitions. Now I just smile and envision living in Dumaguete with a young busty honey in a few short years :).

Jesterl
02-04-10, 16:43
Though I agree that the USA is in bad shape, I think you have it backwards. The financial overleveraged itself with shoddy loans and the government bailed it out. Banks aren't loaning now because it is unprofitable to do so (there being no opportunities to make a buck).

I would also caution about economic activity "elsewhere". The fact is that the USA is still the consumer engine in the world. For all China's DFI industry, their domestic market is a joke (probably smaller then Taiwan). The world is filled with overcapacity and a shrinking pool of consumers. If the USA goes, so do you.


The ease and issuance of too much debt caused some banks to suffer. Banks have various budgets for various loans: They don't invest their entire portfolio upon your "word" or credit report.

US $1 circulates the economy / banking system 9 times.

The foolish behaivor, evidence by USA government spending at present, of indebtedness is how the system ceased. The banks simply stopped wanting to take the risk. It's only been less than 18-months of tighter loan requirements.

Banks are not in business to loan you money for your consumer lifestyle and dreams. They are in business to loan money and make a profit from the interest.

It's not their problem that you, debtors, don't have responsible financial management practices.

I'm glad it ceased and I'll be happier when foreclosures and bankruptcies increase. Teach you debtors a lesson.

This notion that everyone should have a house is foolish USA indebtedness. 70% mortgage holders, not home owners.

Markets go up and down. Money is made on both sides. A collapse is good if you're short or purchase discounted assets.

USA has 0% financial / economic education, evidenced by their consumer economy of 60% GDP. Their voice / opinion is moot due to their ignorance. Prime example is buying a car, depreciating asset, every 5-years. US $30, 000 car will cost US $45, 000 in 5-years and be worth US $15, 000. Real smart.

Creditors have the rights, not the debtor. After the first three creditors get paid in a "BK", all of the money is gone and everyone else is empty handed including the employees (ie. #7 in line) and the tax man.

All because the USA ceased does not mean the market ceased elsewhere!

Lastly, other loans are available for "credit worthy" customers, but the USA debtor is not credit worthy. All the USA debtor has is a "guaranteed" labour market and legislation that forces them to stay on the treadmill to satisfy the debt payment.

Loans are available, but not on your signature: We want tangible collateral. And the rates have increased. You're paying up to 18% for credit cards, but don't want to pay 10%. 14% for a business loan? They don't want to pay 2% for a factored invoice.

18-months is nothing anyway. Markets trend for decades. And this notion that a recession is bad is also some nonsense.

Chocha Monger
02-04-10, 20:38
Helpmann:

Being Chris Brown is not going to help anyone. Beating women and biting their ears and fingers like a rabid pit bull is not going to solve anything. It might get you some interesting nights in the local penitentiary at no extra charge though. Chris Brown was hardly in control of the situation. He wasn’t in control of himself. He lost his reputation and a lot of money because he acted inappropriately on volatile emotions based on his relationship with a woman. Rihanna was a victim of his violent actions but so was he. He felt powerless, emasculated and threatened by a woman and he attacked like a cornered animal. When a man with so many other choices puts himself in that situation it is a tragedy, not something to be emulated. Chris Brown is an example of what American men should not be. He could have walked away from Rihanna peacefully and had a much more attractive woman the next day. Instead he allowed himself to be played.

What American men should be teaching their sons is how to put away their wallets and allow women to pick up their fair share on dates. Teaching that the man always pays on dates sends the message that the woman’s time and company is more valuable than his and must be purchased. The fantasy of unconditional romantic love also has to go away. Boys must be made to understand that relationships are formed on mutual benefits. When these benefits go away one or both parties may choose to end the relationship and move on. These occasions should be seen as opportunities to do new things and meet new people, not times to go into mourning and listen to heartbreak songs. They should also be taught the truth about marriage as it is today, not the romantic folklore that they get fed by mommy. A good way to teach this is to let your son’s sister go into his room and take half of his shit. Allow her choose whatever she likes to be included in that half. Then make him pay half his allowance to her for a period of time. This will give him a real understanding of marriage and divorce.

Helpmann
02-04-10, 21:51
Helpmann:

Being Chris Brown is not going to help anyone. Beating women and biting their ears and fingers like a rabid pit bull is not going to solve anything...NO! Tiger Woods is an example of what men should NOT be. Chris Brown was a pimp, plain and simple. Bobby Brown was a pimp. Ike Turner was a pimp. Their sexy rich biatches brought the money back to daddy. If every man in America was an Ike Turner, there would be no need for 3rd World mongering. Unfortunately, most American men are cowards.

American men won't use their "pimp hand." Instead, most American men either let their women walk over them or they travel to Africa, Asia, or South America (AAS), where the local men know how to keep their biatches in line. Once in AAS, American men exploit the cultural norms that have placed men above women for centuries. American men never have to lift their "pimp hand", because the local men have done it for them.

-Helpmann :cool:

DJ FourMoney
02-04-10, 23:00
It's not the fault of the American woman, it's the fault of the American man. We are responsible for the condition of the American women: lazy, selfish, dependent, materialistic, and self-entitled, with no sense of duty or honor.

It's not just that American men have slowly given away their legal advantages, American men have put "pussy on a pedestal."

So what does that really mean, "pussy on a pedestal"? It means that American men value women more than themselves. Ain't that some crazy shit? What's even worse is that American men have been exporting these crazy ideas through travel and media to continents where men know how to control their women. You think anyone in Asia, Africa, or South America believes that a woman has more "value" than a man? Fuck NO!!! But in the USA, you see examples of American man's low self-image everyday. From Tiger Woods to John Edwards to Bill Clinton. Rich, famous, powerful men of value losing millions or losing power to women of so infinitesimal value.

Just because you can take the American man out of the states (Brazil, Thailand, Colombia), doesn't mean that the states (this wrong-headed mentality) isn't still in him. Until American men can truly view women as their inferiors and pussy as just another commodity to be bought and sold, nothing is going to change in this country. Don't "be" Tiger Woods, be... "Chris Brown."

Raise your sons "right" and don't fear the use of the "pimp hand."

-Helpmann :)

Your mostly correct, it is a self created issue.

I find more issues when you look inside the numbers.

D describes a Philippine Women who got a ticket out of object poverty (I would say this is correct because as others have correctly stated on here, foreigners are generally rejected by middle/upper class Flips), was provided with an education and now works 50-60 hours a week in the US health care system.

Several things, if she has 50K in gambling debt, is she paying for it, or is he paying for it? I think that's key. You may think her family are a bunch of moochers but many jobs in PI are not well paying why not spend them money, even if its lift her family out of poverty. How many AW go off to college, get a well paying job and send money back home??????? - NONE!

RW I believe have been unfairly blamed for being Gold Diggers, especially those that speak English close to fluently, at least that's the perception.

I think its not quite the case, men ultimately make the decision to marry X woman, its never up to the woman really. What usually happens when women ask men to marry them? Its usually when the man has gone X amount of time without coming close to that question. Many men aren't upfront with their desires. If you have no intention of getting married, you shouldn't never leave any opening.

If I came home with a C Class Benz and she complained, its going back!

These guys picked the wrong women clearly.

This is where we really need to focus on:

The problem isn't marriage itself its WHO you marry

The problem isn't dating/courting women, its WHO you choose to date

So while I love to highlight the zaniness of typical AW/WW behavior, it is not lost on me when people like to use certain examples to backup their claim they want to blame our culture for indoctrinating foreign women with AW ideology, when I say its failure to pick up those clues that lead these men down the road of failure, in other words women that agree with AW ideology.

I know more foreign women that think AW are nuts and wouldn't mimic their behavior. This is hearsay of course, proof is in action.

I think the first problem is the tendency of males to believe they are playing Capt Save A Hoe especially to non-US citizens. You aren't saving these women, you are extending them an opportunity, treat it as such.

Don't you think these women KNOW how the game is played, even in other countries? Unless you are the first Western man in her village/town/city to take her away and marry her, which is HIGHLY unlikely.

Women talk, when they spend hours and hours on the phone back to their home country what the hell do you think they are talking about, especially if they are speaking their native language? They are expressly talking about how life is here in America and if anybody else is interested in such, you need to do a,b and c. Remember especially with Eastern European women; American women especially married one spend too much time dressed down, hair up in rollers and wearing sweat pants everywhere. They believe AM are desperate for good looking, skinny, cultured, attractive Woman.

They would be correct, but not only good women hear these stories, but bad women hear them. Wouldn't you think this gives the Bad Women shunned by local men for her behavior incentive to maybe try a bumbling, easily lead, desperate American male?

Some men are easy targets, aren't we fond of saying around here, there's a sucker born every minute? That sucker doesn't have to be you, let it happen to the next guy.

This has very little to do with lucky.

Meat Loaf
02-04-10, 23:25
What American men should be teaching their sons is how to put away their wallets and allow women to pick up their fair share on dates. Teaching that the man always pays on dates sends the message that the woman’s time and company is more valuable than his and must be purchased. The fantasy of unconditional romantic love also has to go away. Boys must be made to understand that relationships are formed on mutual benefits. When these benefits go away one or both parties may choose to end the relationship and move on. These occasions should be seen as opportunities to do new things and meet new people, not times to go into mourning and listen to heartbreak songs. They should also be taught the truth about marriage as it is today, not the romantic folklore that they get fed by mommy. A good way to teach this is to let your son’s sister go into his room and take half of his shit. Allow her choose whatever she likes to be included in that half. Then make him pay half his allowance to her for a period of time. This will give him a real understanding of marriage and divorce.

Chocha Monger,

You're correct! Father's should teach their sons the truth and the techniques to win.

Instead, the mom rears the son with the female exploitationist mentality, while the father leaves and has little contact with the son. He never learns how not to pull caballo until after he's pulling caballo. And then he doesn't learn.

Fathers don't do their jobs as fathers. It's every male for himself regardless of genetics.

Chocha Monger
02-04-10, 23:31
NO! Tiger Woods is an example of what men should NOT be. Chris Brown was a pimp, plain and simple. Bobby Brown was a pimp. Ike Turner was a pimp. Their sexy rich biatches brought the money back to daddy. If every man in America was an Ike Turner, there would be no need for 3rd World mongering. Unfortunately, most American men are cowards.

American men won't use their "pimp hand." Instead, most American men either let their women walk over them or they travel to Africa, Asia, or South America (AAS), where the local men know how to keep their biatches in line. Once in AAS, American men exploit the cultural norms that have placed men above women for centuries. American men never have to lift their "pimp hand", because the local men have done it for them.

-Helpmann :)
Pimping is a noncontact sport. Those guys are what real pimps call Magilla Gorillas and Godzillas. They might have hoes bringing them money but they’re simps. They’re gorillas who dress, walk and talk like pimps but they lack the finesse to control their hoes without resorting to violence. A good pimp gets hoes to give him their money willingly without using force. Gorillas and Godzillas beat their hoes to near death and eventually find themselves under pimp arrest. ;)

Helpmann
02-04-10, 23:58
Your mostly correct, it is a self created issue.

I find more issues when you look inside the numbers...Aww dawg, be careful. That attitude is only going to lead to disappointment. Yes, you can't turn a ho into a housewife, but believe me, they all change. Yes, the hoes will be done with you in less than three years, but even the good ones will start to turn bad after 10 years if you can't keep the biatch in line. Unfortunately, the use of the "pimp hand" is hard to get away with in the United States.

Men in Africa, Asia, and South America (AAS) have a lot more leeway when it comes to keeping biatches in line. In Iran husbands can launch a charge of adultery against their wife (with no evidence) and have them stoned! In India, thousands of wives die each year due to "dowry deaths" resulting in only a handful of convictions! Don't tell me that ain't some serious "pimp hand."

Shit, 95% of Chinese children up for adoption are females!!! Women on these continents know that they're 2nd class citizens and the local men are keeping them in-line. Nevertheless, once these ladies set foot in the USA, the game changes

What can I say? Don't hate the player, hate the game. If you want an obedient loving wife, don't play that game in the United States.

-Helpmann :cool:

Oh Ya Papi
02-05-10, 04:52
nice, well put!!!! man!!!
i travel 4 months a year! semi residence does get you respect abroad. i can''t even find a aw lately, i have had many many many aw g friends and hook ups but i am almost 40 and spoiled of the fruits in other countries

. i dress well classy artist, and guess what ?

there are few chicks worthy of me , i am too good for them esp. to play the game to get em.

i will fuck my left hand for life before a fat aw headache *****. marrage= game over.

don't get me wrong i respect women , hell i love them buy there are standards.

all my american women g friends must pass the 3 questions, and they do. here they are:

1 : roles!!!!! men and women have roles, lets define them, thats why there are so many divorces. i am the man don't speak up over me in public i make the decisions , of course with compromise, but allow me to be a man!!! masciline, dominate. with respect of course, what these aw women want is pussy men that crubble when they ***** and they are trapped, what women want a pussy ass wuss man, or a alpha man!!! we agree that i respoect her but allow me to express my natural masculinaty!!!word!, and i love and respect your femininety,

in latin america this is understood, the man is ythe man, the woman expresses her femininty, but the woman , wife hasx say and runs the house, okay ciool cuz she, like my tica mom, cooks cleans does laundry every day, raises the kids, ther ,man works pays there is an agreement that facilitates love , really,.

anyways my g friends aw agree to this.

2: drugs are okay as long as u have respect and are not a fool or addict rarely ocasional. no cristal of course.,

3; no bitching, you ***** i leave!

good luck fellow mongers








some sexy-voiced mexicana related to my work has been suggesting we spend time together. she's in another city, so i requested she e-mail a photo, and sure enough, she's a big girl. they put extra work into the voice.

and i'm thinking of the last big girl i was with, a gringa. and though i straight up told that broad i wasn't looking for a relationship, she's totally hating me now that i agreed to forego sex if i didn't want to commit.

the reality is what peers have explained to me all along. there's no fury worse than a woman scorned.

but at the same time, after a certain age, unless they're loaded, which is an alibi, any sexual encounter hinges on being a lease-to-buy situation. if they take the dick, you must commit. or they just hate you. which ain't so bad.

my brother noticed in college how girls would even look at his shoes to judge his income. though we do well now, we both still dress like bums.

and yet i'm feeling this increased pressure to put on airs to snag superficial women.

ThatGuy865
02-05-10, 05:37
NO! Tiger Woods is an example of what men should NOT B. Chris Brown was a pimp, plain and simple. Bobby Brown was a pimp. Ike Turner was a pimp. Their sexy rich biatches brought the money back to daddy. If every man in America was an Ike Turner, there would be no need for 3rd World mongering. Unfortunately, most American men are cowards.

American men won't use their "pimp hand. " Instead, most American men either let their women walk over them or they travel to Africa, Asia, or South America (AAS), where the local men know how to keep their biatches in line. Once in AAS, American men exploit the cultural norms that have placed men above women for centuries. American men never have to lift their "pimp hand", because the local men have done it for them.

-Helpmann: cool:The problem with your assertion is Ike turner did it when a man could get away with hitting a women and the law did nothing. Chris brown paid a heavy price for that incident and he was very lucky Riahnna refuse to cooperate with the police, and he still had to do community service and pay a fine. Jim brown was thrown in jail for 90 days. Now what do you think they would do to a non celebrate. So go ahead and swing that "pimp hand" but you better make sure you are ready to spend some time in jail for it because if LE gets involved. You might find yourself washing some guys underwear to keep him from keepin his "pimp hand strong". Player

Meat Loaf
02-05-10, 14:24
Pimping is a noncontact sport. Those guys are what real pimps call Magilla Gorillas and Godzillas. They might have hoes bringing them money but they’re simps. They’re gorillas who dress, walk and talk like pimps but they lack the finesse to control their hoes without resorting to violence. A good pimp gets hoes to give him their money willingly without using force. Gorillas and Godzillas beat their hoes to near death and eventually find themselves under pimp arrest. ;)

A good pimp has his women / females going to Corporate America every morning and bringing home their checks. Better yet, they direct deposited into his account or their joint account.

A good pimp gets women / females to give the pimp money with a few basics. (1) He's giving her guidance and will / is showing her how to achieve in her profession / Corporate America. (2) They are a team, and not a couple, with a common goal for the future. (3) They are partners / teammates. (4) He never used too much violence 'cause if she doesn't want his professional guidance for success in Corporate America, then she can leave. All of the other women he knows want his guidance and therefore he's in demand and everyone knows it. (5) This is how you P.I.M.P.

Meat Loaf
02-05-10, 14:28
The problem with your assertion is Ike turner did it when a man could get away with hitting a women and the law did nothing. Chris brown paid a heavy price for that incident and he was very lucky Riahnna refuse to cooperate with the police, and he still had to do community service and pay a fine. Jim brown was thrown in jail for 90 days. Now what do you think they would do to a non celebrate. So go ahead and swing that "pimp hand" but you better make sure you are ready to spend some time in jail for it because if LE gets involved. You might find yourself washing some guys underwear to keep him from keepin his "pimp hand strong". Player

Pimp hand does not refer to violence, but refers to control. Mental control, emotional control, financial control, reproductive control.

Pimp hand is / are the rules and regulations that you force all females to accept if they are to associate with you.

I play male-female relations like this. If you like it, let's play; if you don't like it, go away. That's Pimp Hand.

Jesterl
02-06-10, 19:20
The problem with your assertion is Ike turner did it when a man could get away with hitting a women and the law did nothing. Chris brown paid a heavy price for that incident and he was very lucky Riahnna refuse to cooperate with the police, and he still had to do community service and pay a fine. Jim brown was thrown in jail for 90 days. Now what do you think they would do to a non celebrate. So go ahead and swing that "pimp hand" but you better make sure you are ready to spend some time in jail for it because if LE gets involved. You might find yourself washing some guys underwear to keep him from keepin his "pimp hand strong". PlayerDuring a marriage, there is bound to be some kind of altercation. In the event of the wife calling the police (legitimately or not) is there any way to mitigate the anti-male bias in the U.S., eg they always make the man go to a hotel regardless of evidence (this also is looked upon by the court as "abandoning the home)? For instance, is there a way to get a lawyer on hand to come down? I don't think lawyers are on call like doctors. Is there any way to get some legal protection at the house before the cops get there? I hear that cops are less fascist if a lawyer is present?

Jesterl
02-06-10, 19:38
I have extensive experience with Japanese women, both in and outside of Japan. This group of women has many subsets (though this is counter intuitive when one takes into account the mono-lithic cultural norms). There are traditional women that haven't changed in decades. These women don't speak much English and are hard to find for foreigners. They are also a little stunted.

There are educated, traditional women. These are the best. They have a good job and drive and follow the responsibilities Japanese society is still very successful in holding women to. Then there are the women that reject Japanese society and don't fit in. These are the women who have traveled the most and speak English, hence the main cohort Western men meet. These women are bad news and will take full advantage of the USA system.

This is why I have to respectfully disagree. Any human being is going to take advantage of what they can, as life for working folk is hard. You see this in Japan with expats-they live a fast-paced, sexual lifestyle. Often times they don't appreciate it and instead become jaded and give the evil eye to other foreigners.

Saying that, I do agree with you in that some people are just more prone to bad behavior. Right now, I'm in contact with a 30s Japanese woman who is divorcing her American husband, while blue balling another American guy to get free rent. Any of these points would be extremely inappropriate in Japan, and not just from parents, but coworkers and maybe friends. They would either shun her or put pressure on her to reform. I've seen this from working in a Japanese high school.

On the other hand, I've dated Japanese women of the same demographic in the USA that are kind and giving, like back in Japan, even if I can identify personality traits that make them outliers. I've noticed older women are less likely to change. So yes, one's individuality does influence the degree that a foreign women will assimilate, but our environment also influences us. Most American guys have no idea of foreign culture and are not in the position to remotely discern the quality of a foreign woman; I sure couldn't when I first went to Japan. Even after explaining the norms Japanese women have to my rust belt brother, he still doesn't believe me. It's beyond the imagination of the average USA male.


Your mostly correct, it is a self created issue.

I find more issues when you look inside the numbers.

The describes a Philippine Women who got a ticket out of object poverty (I would say this is correct because as others have correctly stated on here, foreigners are generally rejected by middle/upper class Flips), was provided with an education and now works 50-60 hours a week in the US health care system.

Several things, if she has 50K in gambling debt, is she paying for it, or is he paying for it? I think that's key. You may think her family are a bunch of moochers but many jobs in PI are not well paying why not spend them money, even if its lift her family out of poverty. How many AW go off to college, get a well paying job and send money back home?. NONE!

RW I believe have been unfairly blamed for being Gold Diggers, especially those that speak English close to fluently, at least that's the perception.

I think its not quite the case, men ultimately make the decision to marry X woman, its never up to the woman really. What usually happens when women ask men to marry them? Its usually when the man has gone X amount of time without coming close to that question. Many men aren't upfront with their desires. If you have no intention of getting married, you shouldn't never leave any opening.

If I came home with a see Class Benz and she complained, its going back!

These guys picked the wrong women clearly.

This is where we really need to focus on:

The problem isn't marriage itself its WHO you marry

The problem isn't dating/courting women, its WHO you choose to date

So while I love to highlight the zaniness of typical AW/WW behavior, it is not lost on me when people like to use certain examples to backup their claim they want to blame our culture for indoctrinating foreign women with AW ideology, when I say its failure to pick up those clues that lead these men down the road of failure, in other words women that agree with AW ideology.

I know more foreign women that think AW are nuts and wouldn't mimic their behavior. This is hearsay of course, proof is in action.

I think the first problem is the tendency of males to believe they are playing Capt Save A Hoe especially to non-US citizens. You aren't saving these women, you are extending them an opportunity, treat it as such.

Don't you think these women KNOW how the game is played, even in other countries? Unless you are the first Western man in her village/town/city to take her away and marry her, which is HIGHLY unlikely.

Women talk, when they spend hours and hours on the phone back to their home country what the hell do you think they are talking about, especially if they are speaking their native language? They are expressly talking about how life is here in America and if anybody else is interested in such, you need to do a, be and c. Remember especially with Eastern European women; American women especially married one spend too much time dressed down, hair up in rollers and wearing sweat pants everywhere. They believe AM are desperate for good looking, skinny, cultured, attractive Woman.

They would be correct, but not only good women hear these stories, but bad women hear them. Wouldn't you think this gives the Bad Women shunned by local men for her behavior incentive to maybe try a bumbling, easily lead, desperate American male?

Some men are easy targets, aren't we fond of saying around here, there's a sucker born every minute? That sucker doesn't have to be you, let it happen to the next guy.

This has very little to do with lucky.

DJ FourMoney
02-06-10, 22:22
Aww dawg, be careful. That attitude is only going to lead to disappointment. Yes, you can't turn a ho into a housewife, but believe me, they all change. Yes, the hoes will be done with you in less than three years, but even the good ones will start to turn bad after 10 years if you can't keep the biatch in line. Unfortunately, the use of the "pimp hand" is hard to get away with in the United States.

Men in Africa, Asia, and South America (AAS) have a lot more leeway when it comes to keeping biatches in line. In Iran husbands can launch a charge of adultery against their wife (with no evidence) and have them stoned! In India, thousands of wives die each year due to "dowry deaths" resulting in only a handful of convictions! Don't tell me that ain't some serious "pimp hand."

Shit, 95% of Chinese children up for adoption are females!!! Women on these continents know that they're 2nd class citizens and the local men are keeping them in-line. Nevertheless, once these ladies set foot in the USA, the game changes

What can I say? Don't hate the player, hate the game. If you want an obedient loving wife, don't play that game in the United States.

-Helpmann :cool:

That's the key -

Keeping your woman in-line and being with a woman that's willing too be kept in line is ideal.

Impossible? Unlikely? - Maybe

I refuse to believe that only Asian Women and Latinas are only cut out for these type of relationships because the Caucasian and African-American women have been so tainted by Western Culture and Modern Feminism.

As I have been maintaining the whole time, some women reject this completely, after all its not because 50% of marriages fail and the other 50% is going to fail within the next 10-20 years, that is highly unlikely.

I'm just saying by increasing the size of my potential pool of women, my chances of making an error decrease. Especially if I don't allow sex to muck up the works, which often causes errors in judgement.

The negative stereotype is that women from struggling countries (countries with tiny middle classes) are more prone to be Gold Diggers. I think some men want to believe that all women are bad unless proven otherwise and that's a safe position to take especially if you have no intention of getting married and having children.

But I think you have to understand that Western Media is more prone to report negative outcomes than positive ones. Positive outcomes tend to be treated as special or out of the ordinary.

Its hard to do any kind of study on the subject of Western Men marrying Foreign Women because the Federal Government keeps limited information and nobody has invested a large amount of money to court couples for their opinion.

I agree that women around the world are largely the same, they have the same desires as most women have when it comes to relationships. The subtle differences is where they are from if your using the United States/Canada/UK as reference point, since we share a common culture.

Taking them away from where the balance of power is shifted from men to the center of the debate does not guarantee they'll align themselves with "Ankles" and build up the same sense of entitlement.

This is no different than buying a product in the marketplace.

Some people intentionally get a six pack from the top of the stack or behind other stacks or even from the backroom. Others don't care and take whatever is in front of them, who's more intelligent here?

Vaquero
02-07-10, 03:56
I'm going back to the Midwest to visit an ailing aunt next weekend. Meanwhile, some nearby nearly married Vietnamese broad I banged last summer is telling me to spend the first night with her. And her friend.

Her friend is a married broad, too, but also has a husband who doesn't get into sex.

The woman I already screwed tells me that to get into her friend's pants, I should pitch up the drink tab and dress like I have money. She's already told this broad I have money; I mean, I do OK, but I'm not rich by any means.

She just wants to see me screw her friend.

"You need to enjoy life. Try new hamburger."

To me, using the appearance of wealth to snag pussy isn't much different than the Showcase Showdown feature of "The Price is Right."

"And all this could be yours, if you let me tap that pussy!"

Meat Loaf
02-07-10, 15:14
I'm going back to the Midwest to visit an ailing aunt next weekend. Meanwhile, some nearby nearly married Vietnamese broad I banged last summer is telling me to spend the first night with her. And her friend.

Her friend is a married broad, too, but also has a husband who doesn't get into sex.

The woman I already screwed tells me that to get into her friend's pants, I should pitch up the drink tab and dress like I have money. She's already told this broad I have money; I mean, I do OK, but I'm not rich by any means.

She just wants to see me screw her friend.

"You need to enjoy life. Try new hamburger."

To me, using the appearance of wealth to snag pussy isn't much different than the Showcase Showdown feature of "The Price is Right."

"And all this could be yours, if you let me tap that pussy!"
I too like it when a female-friend gives you her friend to f*ck, and you f*ck both of them side-by-side.

Crazy Jim Wood
02-07-10, 16:49
If you pay the lawyer enough he will be on call.
Just have an agreement that if you wake him up you're going to pay him $185 or what ever his hourly rate is for each hour or fraction of that he is helping you.
Prepay for one such call a month, whether you use it or not.
He should be happy to do it. If not, there is probably some junior partner at the firm who will do it.
I guess you could call the cops before your wife does, have them come out to remove HER.
Then it is just going to be he said she said.
I think cops are more first come first serve than always chosing the woman's side.


During a marriage, there is bound to be some kind of altercation. In the event of the wife calling the police (legitimately or not) is there any way to mitigate the anti-male bias in the U.S., eg they always make the man go to a hotel regardless of evidence (this also is looked upon by the court as "abandoning the home)? For instance, is there a way to get a lawyer on hand to come down? I don't think lawyers are on call like doctors. Is there any way to get some legal protection at the house before the cops get there? I hear that cops are less fascist if a lawyer is present?

Jesterl
02-07-10, 17:54
I don't know if it is that easy. For instance, most cops say they have to take someone away in these situations, and its usually the man, even if the guy calls. I've also heard from cops, that often its whoever is easier to get out of the house, eg who's near the door. Ergo, never meet the cops at the door. Have the wife open it, or invite the guy in.

If the man owns the house (in his name) does this supercede the common law aspect of co-ownership when it comes to cops asking one to leave?


If you pay the lawyer enough he will be on call.

Just have an agreement that if you wake him up you're going to pay him $185 or what ever his hourly rate is for each hour or fraction of that he is helping you.
Prepay for one such call a month, whether you use it or not.

He should be happy to do it. If not, there is probably some junior partner at the firm who will do it.

I guess you could call the cops before your wife does, have them come out to remove HER.

Then it is just going to be he said she said.

I think cops are more first come first serve than always chosing the woman's side.

Booey
02-07-10, 19:37
I don't know if it is that easy. For instance, most cops say they have to take someone away in these situations, and its usually the man, even if the guy calls. I've also heard from cops, that often its whoever is easier to get out of the house, eg who's near the door. Ergo, never meet the cops at the door. Have the wife open it, or invite the guy in.

If the man owns the house (in his name) does this supercede the common law aspect of co-ownership when it comes to cops asking one to leave?

Generally LE are going to make the man leave the home, at least in the USA, it has become SOP amongst many police forces around the country. Especially if children are in the home. There would have to be extenuating circumstances such as the woman is drunk or she is the violent on and again children are in the home.

Regarding having the house in your name only, e. G. You bought the home before marriage, here is a piece of information some might find interesting. In the event of a divorce if the wife can prove that the husband used any of her funds to pay the mortgage then she could be entitled to part of the equity of the home. For example, the mortgage was paid from a joint bank account. An appraiser friend told me the following story. A guy had bought a house about 6 months previous to marriage. Once married, he paid the mortgage with the joint bank account, though the money in there was mostly earned by him, I believe the wife worked part time. The couple ended up divorcing after one year and the divorce court ruled that she was entitled to nearly half the equity on the house as the guy had only been in it 6 months before the marriage. The guy either had to pay her half the appraised equity of the home or sell the house and split the proceeds. This was when the market was booming in AZ and the guy didn't have the cash and had to sell the home. Now, this could work in favor of the man as well, but be careful out there. This happened in Arizona, so laws could be different state to state but it is food for thought.

ThatGuy865
02-07-10, 22:45
During a marriage, there is bound to be some kind of altercation. In the event of the wife calling the police (legitimately or not) is there any way to mitigate the anti-male bias in the USA, eg they always make the man go to a hotel regardless of evidence (this also is looked upon by the court as "abandoning the home)? For instance, is there a way to get a lawyer on hand to come down? I don't think lawyers are on call like doctors. Is there any way to get some legal protection at the house before the cops get there? I hear that cops are less fascist if a lawyer is present?There is no easy answer to this, because if you have an altercation which means someone has struck the other. In some states the one who can prove they were struck will stay and the other is taken to JAIL to spend the night. No lawyer can prevent this. It is the law, mandatory.

I. E. Your wife slaps you and tries to slap you again, and you catch her by the arm to prevent her from slapping you again. If the cops come and you have no bruises to show because she was not strong enough to draw blood. But because you have a strong grip and left marks where you grabbed her to prevent her from slapping you. You will go to jail. Period. Wrong as it may be, she will have proof of your assault, but you don't have any proof of hers.

So be very careful even if you call the police and she can prove you violated her. The police will take you and not her to jail.

Meat Loaf
02-08-10, 00:23
If the man owns the house (in his name) does this supercede the common law aspect of co-ownership when it comes to cops asking one to leave?

The police are not there to act as lawyer. The police are there to arrest for court fees.

If the female has 0% mail, she is a visitor.

If the female has limited clothing, and is not on the lease or has any bill in her name, or does not have any mail with that address on it, she is a visitor.

If the female has any documentation with her name and that address on it, she lives there and you, the male, will get gender-biased out of the home.

Best solution: Keep your human existence / adult personal respsonsibility (ie. housing, employment, food, clothing) personal and not a community activity. If you take care of yourself (ie. food, clothing, shelter, employment, transportation), you will never be in the position of displaced housing.

Chocha Monger
02-08-10, 01:16
I don't know if it is that easy. For instance, most cops say they have to take someone away in these situations, and its usually the man, even if the guy calls. I've also heard from cops, that often its whoever is easier to get out of the house, eg who's near the door. Ergo, never meet the cops at the door. Have the wife open it, or invite the guy in.

If the man owns the house (in his name) does this supercede the common law aspect of co-ownership when it comes to cops asking one to leave?
Barronz:

If the police are called to the house they will take into consideration the person who made the call and any evidence of domestic violence found at the scene. If no evidence of violence is found they will not make an arrest however they will warn the person being complained against that remaining in the house leave the possibility of further allegations being made against them. In other words if the police get called back to the residence that same day or night someone is going to have to leave or go to jail. When it comes to determining who is telling the truth or not the police would rather let a magistrate figure that out instead of leaving the two parties in the house and then later having to deal with an assault or murder. Even if you call a lawyer I doubt you will be able to evict the domestic partner on the spot unless you bear some evidence of injury and there is damaged property in the house. If the person is making the accusation against you they can claim you hit them or threatened their life the minute after the police left the scene. So sharing a residence after any dispute is unwise. The person who must leave has little to do with ownership. The first person to file and obtain a protective order will be the one to remain in the residence. This is why you should never ask for a divorce or get into verbal disputes with a spouse when you have decided the relationship is unsalvageable. Simply have your lawyer file the paperwork and have your spouse served while they are away from the residence. If they are required to leave the residence have your lawyer or the police present when they arrive to remove their belongings. If you are leaving, then be gone before they return with everything that belongs to you.

Anyway, it is best to not find one’s self in such a situation in the first place. That means avoiding marriage and cohabitation. With donor eggs and surrogate mothers fatherhood is now possible without a woman attached in the bargain.

Voyajer1
02-08-10, 14:23
Whatever you do, don't let them know where you live. Period. They want to hang out and have a good time, take them out. There is no telling who or what type of person you are going out with nowadays.
Since the system dictates in nearly 100% of the cases that the male will be at fault, even if the beautch is lying through her teeth, my rule is simple: If you want to play, let's play outside. There is just way too much to lose. If you value your possesions and your lifestyle, why take that chance? In my opinion, it is just not worth the risk. Family and relatives are always welcomed in my home. Girfriends, hell no. If she doesn't like it, I just get another one :D

Barronz:

Anyway, it is best to not find one’s self in such a situation in the first place. That means avoiding marriage and cohabitation. With donor eggs and surrogate mothers fatherhood is now possible without a woman attached in the bargain.

Meat Loaf
02-08-10, 15:20
Anyway, it is best to not find one’s self in such a situation in the first place. That means avoiding marriage and cohabitation. With donor eggs and surrogate mothers fatherhood is now possible without a woman attached in the bargain.
Despite his obvious mental issues, Michael Jackson, had the right idea. Pay a b*tch to produce his offspring and he will be 100% custodial parent. He can never be subjugated to the roles of "fatherhood" from afar or playing "weekend daddy." He's in control. The b*tch is irrelevant.

For any male that truly values his input, un-interfered, into the development of his offspring / jizz, then they / we should consider surrogate mothers.

If not, you will be the only person with all of the risk and 0% voice. Everyone else has a voice in the child's rearing (ie. mother, judge, mother's family, Attorney General, Welfare Services, daycare center, educational system, etcetera.) For the father to have a voice, he must hire an attorney and take the default custodial parent, mother, to court for custody. Otherwise, the father has 0% voice and 100% liability with limited access to the offspring.

Good Insight Chocha Monger.

Meat Loaf
02-08-10, 15:22
Whatever you do, don't let them know where you live. Period. They want to hang out and have a good time, take them out. There is no telling who or what type of person you are going out with nowadays.
Since the system dictates in nearly 100% of the cases that the male will be at fault, even if the beautch is lying through her teeth, my rule is simple: If you want to play, let's play outside. There is just way too much to lose. If you value your possesions and your lifestyle, why take that chance? In my opinion, it is just not worth the risk. Family and relatives are always welcomed in my home. Girfriends, hell no. If she doesn't like it, I just get another one :D
Hire a security guard. They can only enter the premises with permission as given by the security guard.

I aint gonna' spend a lot of money wining-and-dining that b*tch. She better cook in the kitchen and serve me. Then spread those legs and catch a nutt.

It's true that USA-females have guys running scared. They got guys doing the cooking and cleaning 'cause they're scared of her police phone call.

DJ FourMoney
02-09-10, 00:17
Hire a security guard. They can only enter the premises with permission as given by the security guard.

I aint gonna' spend a lot of money wining-and-dining that b*tch. She better cook in the kitchen and serve me. Then spread those legs and catch a nutt.

It's true that USA-females have guys running scared. They got guys doing the cooking and cleaning 'cause they're scared of her police phone call.

I can't believe some of the rhetoric coming from manginas, I was listening to Micheal Pollen talk about the American Food System which I generally agree with. However he said something that made my jaw drop. He mentioned how he popular on the college speaking tour supporting his books.

He said -

"Cooking is one way to get more involved in what your eating and that one of the main drivers of the Feminist movement in the late 60's/70's was the fact most women loathed being the only one cooking." It was fine until he said " most Modern Women won't tolerate being the only one cooking in the household" - WTF?

Now he's married, clearly for awhile. I'm sure he doesn't remember what it like in the late 20th/21st Century when its perfectly NORMAL for most AW not only not wanting to cook, but even if they could they wouldn't!

The shorter list would be what DO AW do for their man/husband, the list has gotten mighty short over the years.

I agree with some of what's being presented in the thread lately but I still come back to the point that many of you like looking at all the negatives almost forgetting that not every woman is corrupted by Western Culture.

You just have to be more careful with your selection. Some men should be banned from picking the women they pick just like some women should be banned. Some people meet the clinical definition of insanity, since they keep picking the same type of people expecting a different outcome.

The trick is to avoid these Gold-Diggin Ankles, not complain about their existence. Just like you would automatically write off those that avoid emotional contact, this is basically no different, if they ask how much money you make, run for the hills....

Chocha Monger
02-09-10, 06:11
I can't believe some of the rhetoric coming from manginas, I was listening to Micheal Pollen talk about the American Food System which I generally agree with. However he said something that made my jaw drop. He mentioned how he popular on the college speaking tour supporting his books.

He said -

"Cooking is one way to get more involved in what your eating and that one of the main drivers of the Feminist movement in the late 60's/70's was the fact most women loathed being the only one cooking." It was fine until he said " most Modern Women won't tolerate being the only one cooking in the household" - WTF?

Now he's married, clearly for awhile. I'm sure he doesn't remember what it like in the late 20th/21st Century when its perfectly NORMAL for most AW not only not wanting to cook, but even if they could they wouldn't!

The shorter list would be what DO AW do for their man/husband, the list has gotten mighty short over the years.

I agree with some of what's being presented in the thread lately but I still come back to the point that many of you like looking at all the negatives almost forgetting that not every woman is corrupted by Western Culture.

You just have to be more careful with your selection. Some men should be banned from picking the women they pick just like some women should be banned. Some people meet the clinical definition of insanity, since they keep picking the same type of people expecting a different outcome.

The trick is to avoid these Gold-Diggin Ankles, not complain about their existence. Just like you would automatically write off those that avoid emotional contact, this is basically no different, if they ask how much money you make, run for the hills....
While all women may not be corrupted by Western culture, the number of them who are corrupted is significant enough to warrant extreme caution. All men walking the streets at midnight with guns are not out to rob or kill you but are you willing to still around long enough find out their true intentions given an option? In fact, the individual negative qualities of a woman are not so important. A woman can be a greedy lying gold digger but without the support of the legal system which allows her to strip her husband of his possessions and relationship with his children those personality traits are little more than a minor nuisance. Ignoring the legal system that enables women to use marriage as a license to steal is like leaving the doors and windows to your house open and trying to prevent theft by choosing your neighbors more carefully.

Hiring managers at corporations will tell you that people lie and put on the best appearance when they are trying to get in the door. Some of them interview well and pass all the background checks. However, they may show their true colors during the probationary period when you can get rid of them easily. Others are good enough to keep their bad habits in check until their probationary period is over. Women are the same way when they go hunting for a husband. If they get past a man’s screening mechanisms they are not so easily gotten rid of after marriage and children. How far are you willing to go to find out about a potential wife? Are you going to trust her and take her word that she is somehow different from other women? Many of the women who criticize other women for ruining their husbands in divorce court turn around and do the same thing when the opportunity arises. Will you get a credit report on her, a thorough background check including interviews of past partners and medical history? This should be the minimum required of anyone you’re going to be giving access to your privacy, finances and the raising of your children.

Business and emotions are not a good mix. Marriage is a business contract often entered into based on emotions. Therefore it is not surprising that most marriages turn out to be terrible decisions made by men who do quite well in other matters of life.

Voyajer1
02-09-10, 07:55
A security guard is kind of extreme; however, given the circumstances with these skanks it is an excellent alternative.
I don't or wouldn't wine and dine any AW unless sex is GUARANTEED on the agenda. As I am an older type fellow, my time is too valuable; so I don't waste it in frivolous pursuits. It annoys me to no end if there is nothing for me on the table, I’d rather stay home and read a book or something. So I sort through the BS with the 2 questions I asks all the time:
1. Are we splitting the bill?
2. Are we screwing tonight?
Yes, it is a recipe for lots of turn downs, but, it saves me a lot of time and aggravation from disappointment, uncertainty, and I know what I’m getting. Plain and simple, I want some! If things work out, find the nearest hotel, after the deed is done and satisfied, only then I’ll spring for room service. Yes, it is expensive, but much cheaper in the long run if you know what I mean :D


Hire a security guard. They can only enter the premises with permission as given by the security guard.

I aint gonna' spend a lot of money wining-and-dining that b*tch. She better cook in the kitchen and serve me. Then spread those legs and catch a nutt.

It's true that USA-females have guys running scared. They got guys doing the cooking and cleaning 'cause they're scared of her police phone call.

Capt Ajax
02-09-10, 18:18
Folks, we can ***** all day about the attitudes of AW, it won't change a damn thing, not until we change the mindset/attitudes of approx 70-80% of the American male population.

Here are some quotes from a typical AM who feels that showering obscene amounts of money on an AW is the best way to win her heart....complete BS IMHO. It's American attitudes like this that have fucked up mongering destinations all around the globe.


Agreed. There are people on here like that too. I paid $250 at the Aromatherapy place last week (which reminds me I still have to write a report), and really don't give a fuck what somebody on here thinks I should be doing in the way of keeping prices down. And I plan on spending $250+ again this weekend. Even economically speaking, there isn't a compelling case being made here for price control. Take Nite, for example. I think he racks up some of the most worthless, shitiest AMP experiences of anyone here; and I'm glad he reports them to us...But while he's not spending $300 at one establishment, he certainly is spreading $300 around in a pretty short period of time without any pleasurable benefit.


I know a good indy girl that charges $500 an hour. She's been one of my fav UTRs but she's about to go public. Slender Asian-ish chick, BBBJ+Swallow, Enthuastic, seems to really enjoy it. Don't know if you're strictly looking for agencies or not.


The more you pay, the less likely you are to experience any of the above. I like the cheap bytches too, don't get me wrong. Because it's nice to go out there and experience to more sordid side of what we do. But my $2600 date at the W hotel with my favorite girl always reminds me of how nice it is to have some luxury pussy. Check that - a luxury EXPERIENCE.

Rubber Nursey
02-10-10, 06:36
"Cooking is one way to get more involved in what your eating and that one of the main drivers of the Feminist movement in the late 60's/70's was the fact most women loathed being the only one cooking." It was fine until he said " most Modern Women won't tolerate being the only one cooking in the household" - WTF?

Now he's married, clearly for awhile. I'm sure he doesn't remember what it like in the late 20th/21st Century when its perfectly NORMAL for most AW not only not wanting to cook, but even if they could they wouldn't!
As I've said loads of times on this thread, I LOVE being a housewife for my man. *IF* he is the sole breadwinner and he's financially supporting me, I see it as MY JOB to care for him and keep his home, in return.

HOWEVER...that all changes if I'm working fulltime as well. If I'm working the same hours as my husband and bringing in the same amount of household income (or, God forbid, MORE), why should I be doing more work around the house than he is? While I firmly believe that financially-dependent women should pull their weight around the house, I also firmly believe that if the financial responsibilities are equally distributed, the domestic chores should also be shared equally. Surely that's only fair?

Westy
02-10-10, 16:04
If I'm working the same hours as my husband and bringing in the same amount of household income (or, God forbid, MORE), why should I be doing more work around the house than he is? While I firmly believe that financially-dependent women should pull their weight around the house, I also firmly believe that if the financial responsibilities are equally distributed, the domestic chores should also be shared equally. Surely that's only fair?I, for one, can't refute your logic. But in my neighborhood, the outcome of this logic leaves me at a decided disadvantage in the "game between the sexes".

I'm a "typical bachelor, " which means I'm lazy about cooking and I don't keep house worth a damn. My income, though comfortable for my tastes and expectations, is about half the household average for the locality where I live (Montgomery County, Maryland; a suburb of Washington, DC). I'm in my fifties, bald on top, and though I'm not "paunchy" I'm certainly not "studly" either. And I'm a "typical man" who wants someone younger and attractive to snuggle up with me.

The local women who meet my criteria take one look at me and say "I can do WAY better than this old slug! " They don't even hang around to find out if I have any redeeming features. And, since I've lived my whole life in the Washington, DC area, I don't expect anything else from American women.

So I'm preparing to move out of the USA, to someplace where I'll be able to trade my modest (and paid-off) townhouse for a beachfront condo beside the marina where I'll keep my yacht. The local ladies in THAT area might see more "value" in me than the women of Washington do now, eh?

Capt Ajax
02-10-10, 17:35
Interesting RN, are you married or single right now?


As I've said loads of times on this thread, I LOVE being a housewife for my man. *IF* he is the sole breadwinner and he's financially supporting me, I see it as MY JOB to care for him and keep his home, in return.

HOWEVER...that all changes if I'm working fulltime as well. If I'm working the same hours as my husband and bringing in the same amount of household income (or, God forbid, MORE), why should I be doing more work around the house than he is? While I firmly believe that financially-dependent women should pull their weight around the house, I also firmly believe that if the financial responsibilities are equally distributed, the domestic chores should also be shared equally. Surely that's only fair?

DJ FourMoney
02-11-10, 02:28
As I've said loads of times on this thread, I LOVE being a housewife for my man. *IF* he is the sole breadwinner and he's financially supporting me, I see it as MY JOB to care for him and keep his home, in return.

HOWEVER...that all changes if I'm working fulltime as well. If I'm working the same hours as my husband and bringing in the same amount of household income (or, God forbid, MORE), why should I be doing more work around the house than he is? While I firmly believe that financially-dependent women should pull their weight around the house, I also firmly believe that if the financial responsibilities are equally distributed, the domestic chores should also be shared equally. Surely that's only fair?

Well as they like to say with football players or baseball players, your a sort of "Throw Back" RN, you play your role in the traditional sense. Your first priority is your husband (not that you would consider yourself secondary). When you have children, they share the same place on the priority scale.

If your working, that's an additional demand. Your working for the common good of the household, which you run like a business (hence the business contract that CM refers too) which means you delegate responsibilities to other members of your household.

Of course this is how its suppose to work, but from what I have seen...

That's not quite the case and as I said the era of women being "complete" are gone. They are quickly scooped up by smart men or they have other problems that either you'll have to accept or help them overcome.

As CM said some personality traits are minor annoyances when dating but get magnified during a marriage and explode during the divorce proceedings.

I don't know if background checks are necessary for any women other than AW actually.

ThatGuy865
02-11-10, 03:01
Well as they like to say with football players or baseball players, your a sort of "Throw Back" RN, you play your role in the traditional sense. Your first priority is your husband (not that you would consider yourself secondary). When you have children, they share the same place on the priority scale.

If your working, that's an additional demand. Your working for the common good of the household, which you run like a business (hence the business contract that CM refers too) which means you delegate responsibilities to other members of your household.

Of course this is how its suppose to work, but from what I have seen.

That's not quite the case and as I said the era of women being "complete" are gone. They are quickly scooped up by smart men or they have other problems that either you'll have to accept or help them overcome.

As CM said some personality traits are minor annoyances when dating but get magnified during a marriage and explode during the divorce proceedings.

I don't know if background checks are necessary for any women other than AW actually.This is just nonsense. RN's views are just about the views of most women. In todays times most relationships both are working to make ends meet. So there should be some expectation that both would pitch in at home also. Most guys who cry on this site want a relationship that is strictly "MY Way". And if I leave. I want everything. Well you missed the caveman era. So guys you are shit out of luck. Oh and for your editfication. The only reason divorce is so high in the USA is its one of the easiest countries to obtain a divorce. A lot of countries have mandatory counseling and long wait periods. If not for that the other countries would be just as high as in the USA Foreign women are no better and no different than AW. Its only your perception because when you go to a poor country. You attract more like a known millionare would in the USA Ask Donald trump if woman treat him bad or Hugh Heffner. Well thats what you are in a foreign country. A walkin wallet. So hell yeah. They are going to treat you good. If might stroke your ego. But they are just feeding off you. Like a maggot.

DJ FourMoney
02-11-10, 12:53
This is just nonsense. RN's views are just about the views of most women. In todays times most relationships both are working to make ends meet. So there should be some expectation that both would pitch in at home also. Most guys who cry on this site want a relationship that is strictly "MY Way". And if I leave. I want everything. Well you missed the caveman era. So guys you are shit out of luck. Oh and for your editfication. The only reason divorce is so high in the USA is its one of the easiest countries to obtain a divorce. A lot of countries have mandatory counseling and long wait periods. If not for that the other countries would be just as high as in the USA Foreign women are no better and no different than AW. Its only your perception because when you go to a poor country. You attract more like a known millionare would in the USA Ask Donald trump if woman treat him bad or Hugh Heffner. Well thats what you are in a foreign country. A walkin wallet. So hell yeah. They are going to treat you good. If might stroke your ego. But they are just feeding off you. Like a maggot.

Its not nonsense and who's talking about poor countries?

How come AW always assume we're talking about poor countries? Not saying your a woman, but maybe a mangina? You're always defending AW problematic requirements.

I expect 50/50 relationship and I'm thoroughly modern but not in touch with my feminine side or metrosexual!

I run shit, its got nothing to do with rules, but a foundation is laid and I'm crystal clear with my desires, women know where I stand and they can either deal with it or leave, most of them STAY ;)

AW in a ideological sense are almost no better than Neo-Cons. If they don't get their way they spread propaganda in the media and try to destroy opponents.

I don't think anybody here is demanding a return to Geico's Caveman days, they just want a reliable relationship where the woman isn't going to try to fuck him over, use his children as pawn in a game of LIFE (Parker Bros.) or use sex as a tool to get some material items or favors.

Some Western Women complain their no good men left, when they overlook men they deem worthless because they aren't pretty, aren't rich or special, there just "guys".

When women are writing books telling American Women to stop paying attention to the things that don't matter, you know there's a problem. For Black Women 42% under 40 have never been married, the way the media portrays it, you would almost believe its Black Men fault. Blaming education, incarceration or bi/gay tendencies as the reasons why.

How about a majority of them have bad attitudes!

I would say that is the same problem with both Latinas (32%) and White Women (23%), their attitudes SUCK...

We also shouldn't have to repeat ourselves; cultural dynamics do change a woman's behavior even if their desires remain universal across the board, which I do agree with.

Chocha Monger
02-11-10, 17:11
I think the maggot felt insulted when it was compared to a woman. After all maggots only eat dead flesh and leave healthy tissue alone. Maggot therapy is used in medicine to save lives. So if a maggot feeds off a guy he will actually be in better shape after the experience. The same can’t be said after a woman feeds on a man.

Both Donald Trump and Hugh Hefner had divorces and parasitic ex-wives. According to Bitten & Bound, “Last month Playboy founder Hugh Hefner openly told the media that his “wife” Kimberley Conrad had filed a 5 million lawsuit against him for breach of their pre-nup, which Hef claimed was totally bogus. Now he says she cheated.”

If Trump and Hefner were not treated “bad” by women I’d hate to see what is considered to be bad. Talking about crying and wanting everything, American women are usually the ones wanting the house, car, dogs, children, savings, alimony and child support. I don’t see men on this site crying about not getting enough alimony and child support. Yet, there are numerous sites on the internet where women hold vaginal dialogues venting about not getting “everything” they felt they were entitled to.

Now the real reason why divorce is so high in America is because it’s the easiest way for women to make money. The fact that more than 70 percent of all divorces in the US are initiated by women is proof of this. Women push, beg, and bully for marriage and “commitment” but they’re the first ones out the door when things don’t go their way. They also want to punish the man when they leave by taking everything.

Marriage is actually the caveman concept. Most guys on this site are not looking for marriage because they have figured out that it has nothing to offer them. They are on here to find out how to fuck women cheaply without a contract. What I find amusing though are guys who defend American women and marriage but are self professed sex tourists and members of a site that promotes behavior incompatible with the marital concepts of “forsaking all others” and “sexual faithfulness.”

http://www.edmecka.com/blogs/dont-marry-essay---why-marriage-has-become-a-raw-deal-for-men.html

Artisttyp
02-11-10, 18:17
But they are just feeding off you. Like a maggot.[/QUOTE]

What do I care if they feed off my $20 ? I can give half to them (get my dick wet) then eat dinner with the rest.

I don't see that as being used...only "useful". In that sense women can mooch off me all they want.

You can't do that in america because the price tag is too high. It is a good opportunity to feel what it would be like if I had money here in the US. What did I learn ? If I had more money and was willing to blow it I *might be able to get a piece of "something" here. However I won't because I don't have the money. You go where YOU and YOUR MONEY are appreciated.

The issue arises once you get affordable pussy. You will never go back to paying a premium for it. Is this what is upsetting to you ? ...no more $100 dates no more buying aimless amount of drinks..no more getting depressed over her mood swings thinking it's your fault......none of it. You just dig into your pocket whip out a $20 and all is good. The only thing left is a clear mind and your ability to look for someone with a good personality and a good heart....Happy Hunting.

Helpmann
02-11-10, 18:26
Folks, we can ***** all day about the attitudes of AW, it won't change a damn thing, not until we change the mindset/attitudes of approx 70-80% of the American male population.

...It's American attitudes like this that have fucked up mongering destinations all around the globe.You're preaching to the choir. American Men have fucked up San Jose, Sosua, Rio, and will probably fuck-up Bangkok if the biatch slappin' Japanese men leave.

-Helpmann :)

Sawassdee
02-11-10, 23:17
I think the maggot felt insulted when it was compared to a woman. After all maggots only eat dead flesh and leave healthy tissue alone. Maggot therapy is used in medicine to save lives. So if a maggot feeds off a guy he will actually be in better shape after the experience. The same can't be said after a woman feeds on a man.

Both Donald Trump and Hugh Hefner had divorces and parasitic ex-wives. According to Bitten & Bound, "Last month Playboy founder Hugh Hefner openly told the media that his "wife" Kimberley Conrad had filed a 5 million lawsuit against him for breach of their pre-nup, which Hef claimed was totally bogus. Now he says she cheated. "

If Trump and Hefner were not treated "bad" by women I'd hate to see what is considered to be bad. Talking about crying and wanting everything, American women are usually the ones wanting the house, car, dogs, children, savings, alimony and child support. I don't see men on this site crying about not getting enough alimony and child support. Yet, there are numerous sites on the internet where women hold vaginal dialogues venting about not getting "everything" they felt they were entitled to.

Now the real reason why divorce is so high in America is because it's the easiest way for women to make money. The fact that more than 70 percent of all divorces in the US are initiated by women is proof of this. Women push, beg, and bully for marriage and "commitment" but they're the first ones out the door when things don't go their way. They also want to punish the man when they leave by taking everything.

Marriage is actually the caveman concept. Most guys on this site are not looking for marriage because they have figured out that it has nothing to offer them. They are on here to find out how to fuck women cheaply without a contract. What I find amusing though are guys who defend American women and marriage but are self professed sex tourists and members of a site that promotes behavior incompatible with the marital concepts of "forsaking all others" and "sexual faithfulness. "

http://www.Edmecka.com/blogs/don't-marry-essay-why-marriage-has-become-a-raw-deal-for-men.htmlDamn CM you need to run for president!

Rubber Nursey
02-12-10, 04:33
Interesting RN, are you married or single right now?
Right now, I'm in a long-term relationship...but we don't live together (both of us have been burned in the past!) I used to be married, many moons ago.

ThatGuy865
02-12-10, 04:50
Why is it guys that even in the most primitive of societies. Deep in the amazon. In tribes which have only been discoverd. Even in those tribes where they haven't been influence my TV, media or the likes. They still have monogamous societal tendencies. Some have formal rituals, some not. But one thing they all have is where the man takes a woman and she is not shared with any others. They are mates. It mongering was truely the way man was suppose to B. Why are there so many men, even those who divorce. Go back to monogamous relationships. Domald trump has. No matter how much money his wife took from him. Look at most famous millionare men. Who can have flocks of women. Constantly. Most get married.

Men who think of mongering as a way of life probably make up less than 2 or 3 % of men. Sure guys monger. But how many think that is the way they want to spend their entire life. A small percentage of those who even monger. Most do it for a period of time. Find a good woman. Then get out of the game. Its just natural. Thats all I'm saying.

Robert1110
02-12-10, 07:45
Look at most famous millionare men. Who can have flocks of women. Constantly. Most get married.

most men, rich or otherwise are total fools when it comes to this

name ONE advantage marriage gives a man

Voyajer1
02-12-10, 07:51
If one considers for example the IQ quotient of people, the higher the intelligence score, the LOWER the percentile or individuals who are that smart. Through this forum, we figured out and decoded the system. It is NOT favorable to men. Period. If everyone was as enlightened as the few of US who get it, that AW’s are a complete waste of time, then we would be subjected to the same ridiculously, one sided blueprint of one sided decisions by the Sex Prison system of jurisprudence when it comes to settling even the most amicable of disputes between the sexes.
I can tell you from experience, that even if a person did not engage in dirt (The male), and the female did, the male is still likely to be sodomized by this so called system of justice of ours. It is a life lesson many of us have survived and have re-awaken to find the pure joy of being in a system where men make the rules: Anywhere else but in Sex Prison and most developed nations.
I am gleeful when listening to AW’s labeling me and the few of us who get it with many unflattering compliments because I would not give them the time of day. I don’t care about their opinions in that matter. Really. Can you win an argument with an inanimate object? No. But I tell you what: When I travel, I know what I’m going to get from every female I meet and having relations away from the walls of Sex Prison overseas. Do you know what she is getting from me: My time, very little cash if any and a bunch of nuts. If I was to act similarly here, I would have support her for the rest of her life, give up assets, pay off HER debt, pay, pay, pay, and after paying for a lot, pay for much more. From a value standpoint, which is actually more beneficial for the AM?
I too was a damned fool once. I bought into the system, got married, and yes got beaotchslapped for my efforts by the system. But I learned from the error and I will never, ever, do that again. Promise :D


Why is it guys that even in the most primitive of societies. Deep in the amazon. In tribes which have only been discoverd. Even in those tribes where they haven't been influence my TV, media or the likes. They still have monogamous societal tendencies. Some have formal rituals, some not. But one thing they all have is where the man takes a woman and she is not shared with any others. They are mates. It mongering was truely the way man was suppose to B. Why are there so many men, even those who divorce. Go back to monogamous relationships. Domald trump has. No matter how much money his wife took from him. Look at most famous millionare men. Who can have flocks of women. Constantly. Most get married.

Men who think of mongering as a way of life probably make up less than 2 or 3 % of men. Sure guys monger. But how many think that is the way they want to spend their entire life. A small percentage of those who even monger. Most do it for a period of time. Find a good woman. Then get out of the game. Its just natural. Thats all I'm saying.

Bango Cheito
02-12-10, 15:37
That's all your saying but you're WRONG.....

Most primitive tribes are NOT monogamous... they are anything but....

Only with the dominance of that dangerous bullshit we call christianity did people start thinking in those terms... and hey, did you ever read about the Dark Ages? Thinks went BACKWARDS for like 1200 years because of that mode of thinking....

Fact is, people pair off and stay together for cultural and social reasons, NOT innate ones... change the culture, the behavior will revert back to its NATURAL state.... men and women looking for as much VARIETY as possible....

98% of human sperm is designed not to impregnate a female but to destroy other sperm... I think that says it all...

Westy
02-12-10, 15:38
most men, rich or otherwise are total fools when it comes to (marriage).

name ONE advantage marriage gives a manThe kids are more likely to reach adulthood and have kids of their own if the father sticks around and provides for the kids while they're growing up. This difference is more marked at a hunter-gatherer level of society, which is how Homo sapiens has spent the overwhelming majority of its time on Earth; but this advantage continues into the agricultural level, and even into the industrial and technological level of society.

A child of our species takes 12-15 years to reach sexual maturity. During that time the child needs a lot of nurturing, and good food, to grow up healthy and strong. The father who sticks around and provides for his offspring is more likely to have his DNA stay and spread in the gene-pool, right? At the same time, his chances are diluted if his mate "plays around. " So faithful pair-bonding, I. E. Marriage, is important to the survival of the man's genotype. Add in the modern, agricultural and post-agricultural concepts of "property" and "inheritance, " and it becomes even more significant to have a strong pair-bond and sexual exclusivity.

And, given the importance of having a "good provider" to raise healthy children, the woman in these pre-industrial societies would have a significant stake in making sure the father supports her and their children. Anything she can do to keep the father interested in sticking around is a worthwhile investment in her genetic future, too! So, in that model, the woman who "keeps her man happy" can hang on to a "good provider" to her immediate and future benefit.

From this, I believe we can impute the value of "love & marriage" to the continued survival of "our individual, genetic heritage. " Add the modern concepts of "property" "wealth" and "inheritance" plus the dictates of religion, and we REALLY raise the stakes at the marriage table! Thus you get "The Donald" cleaving unto a trophy wife, or a succession of trophy wives; or, in a far-different culture, the Sultan and his harem.

Today's American culture has raised the bar so much on "successful providing" that the male has to work almost impossibly hard to "make it".

Goga Fung
02-12-10, 16:24
>>Originally Posted by ThatGuy865
>>Look at most famous millionare men. Who can have flocks of women. >>Constantly. Most get married.

most men, rich or otherwise are total fools when it comes to this

name ONE advantage marriage gives a manYeap. One friend in eastern europe who is a millionarie, his ex wife was pretty ugly, also cheated, they got divorced after she got pregnant from another guy. She still kept a fancy apartment and a car.

Another american guy, who's also pretty rich, got married with a quite buttugly eastern european girl. He even used to travel to some "mongering" destinations for some other reason, without any clue about available girls. He did not even expect that there are other women exist or whatever.

Goga Fung
02-12-10, 16:31
most men, rich or otherwise are total fools when it comes to this

name ONE advantage marriage gives a manIn USA and its laws very likely it might give much trouble. But in the place where I might marry, traditionally your wife is supposed to support you in everything(and you her too of course), she can be very beautiful, family oriented, cooks well, always there for you. Also she always knows there are many other women who would be happy to be in her place, so she won't do much stupid things. I would guess that USA(and similar countires) is kinda opposite.

Clandestine782
02-12-10, 22:46
That's all your saying but you're WRONG.....

Most primitive tribes are NOT monogamous... they are anything but....

Only with the dominance of that dangerous bullshit we call christianity did people start thinking in those terms... and hey, did you ever read about the Dark Ages? Thinks went BACKWARDS for like 1200 years because of that mode of thinking....

Fact is, people pair off and stay together for cultural and social reasons, NOT innate ones... change the culture, the behavior will revert back to its NATURAL state.... men and women looking for as much VARIETY as possible....

98% of human sperm is designed not to impregnate a female but to destroy other sperm... I think that says it all...From where do you get this information? What have you read (if anything at all) that demonstrates it at length? Are you saying that some sperm cells are "natural killer cells"? And the other 2% are for impregnation?

Booey
02-13-10, 02:42
You're preaching to the choir. American Men have fucked up San Jose, Sosua, Rio, and will probably fuck-up Bangkok if the biatch slappin' Japanese men leave.

-Helpmann :)Helpmann,

I'm not quite sure what you're implying about Japanese men but it comes across that you feel they are keeping the prices down with their "biatch slappin'". Far from it, these guys have fucked up soi 33, Thermae and the Rainbows in NEP. They are nasty little gropers and the only reason the girls tolerate it is that they can charge high prices with these guys. I will admit that some American guys are overpaying and it needs to stop, but it is not always about "I have the money", many times they are naive and overwhelmed due to lack of pussy. If they understood the deal and the prices from the outset, I think you would find that they would not overpay. So instead of bitching and moaning lets give out what we are paying for st and lt to give some guys perspective. Yes, we Americans might need some guidance at the outset, but once we are set on the right track then we can bargain with the best of them. I tend to look at the whole thing as buying a used car, or at least renting a car.

Crazy Jim Wood
02-13-10, 03:55
the ideal is you have one woman (yours only) and a few others on the side. so the one has your kids who inherit your junk when you pass on.
then you just sow your wild oats with the rest, if the oatlings make it great, if not, well, you have your one woman.
this rather successful guy, just by putting half his energy into the real family insures those kids carry on.
the other half he throws around as best he can.
the woman may not be happy she's only getting half, but she knows wny other successful guy would be the same, knows in the end getting half from this guy is still a good deal, and looks the other way.
a woman really doesn't benefit as much from sowing her oats. she just plows everything into the kids with the one man.
she MIGHT sow her oats if she thinks (1) the guy she has won't notice/care because he's a loser or (2) the guy she has just isn't capable of doing the job himself.
now there are some guys who have trouble supporting just one woman.
that guy focuses everything on the one.
she knows she isn't that hot either. so she focuses on him as well. this couple together can somehow manage. so they don't want to rock the boat.
marriage keeps all these women happy, since it guarantees their kids come out better than if they were by themselves.
then there are the women who become the fields for the wild oats. we all know and love them. that field is open to whoever wants to plow it.
what about the men who can't get a woman? sometimes they stray into the wild oat field that got left open for a few days. most of the time they are under a bridge.

Why is it guys that even in the most primitive of societies. Deep in the amazon. In tribes which have only been discoverd. Even in those tribes where they haven't been influence my TV, media or the likes. They still have monogamous societal tendencies. Some have formal rituals, some not. But one thing they all have is where the man takes a woman and she is not shared with any others. They are mates. It mongering was truely the way man was suppose to B. Why are there so many men, even those who divorce. Go back to monogamous relationships. Domald trump has. No matter how much money his wife took from him. Look at most famous millionare men. Who can have flocks of women. Constantly. Most get married.

Men who think of mongering as a way of life probably make up less than 2 or 3 % of men. Sure guys monger. But how many think that is the way they want to spend their entire life. A small percentage of those who even monger. Most do it for a period of time. Find a good woman. Then get out of the game. Its just natural. Thats all I'm saying.

ThatGuy865
02-13-10, 04:06
That's all your saying but you're WRONG.....

Most primitive tribes are NOT monogamous... they are anything but....

Only with the dominance of that dangerous bullshit we call christianity did people start thinking in those terms... and hey, did you ever read about the Dark Ages? Thinks went BACKWARDS for like 1200 years because of that mode of thinking....

Fact is, people pair off and stay together for cultural and social reasons, NOT innate ones... change the culture, the behavior will revert back to its NATURAL state.... men and women looking for as much VARIETY as possible....

98% of human sperm is designed not to impregnate a female but to destroy other sperm... I think that says it all...You have got to be kidding. Most tribes. Read about any amazon triB. And they still ahve them where their is, and has not been any christian influence. They may be poygamous. But still that only means the man may have 2 maybe 3 wives. But he isn't sharing them with anyone. Also he is providing for them. And is committed to them. Jealousy is a innate condition in 99% of humans. The is no society known to man who society had total open non committal sex partners. Where anyone could fuck anyone and they was no commitment on anyones part.

And as far as your sperm theory. Thats just out right wrong. Your problem is probably lack of comprehension. What you are talking about is we produce a lot of sperm some of which about 1/3 are called "killer" sperm. Which yes kills sperm but not your own sperm.

If 2 men both have sex with a woman and both cum inside her. One guy's "killer" sperm would try to attack the OTHER guys sperm, to give the other sperm on his team a better chance at impregnanting the worman. They don't kill their own "brothers" or teammates. They are the team "hit squad" sort of speak. I just happen to have a doctor in the famiiy.

Rubber Nursey
02-13-10, 05:12
There's a really fascinating 3-part doco series called "Dr Tatiana's Sex Advice to All Creation". According to the website it hasn't been approved for screening in the USA, but it's been shown in Australia, UK, France, etc and it's definitely worth a look if you can get your hands on it.

The second episode talks about female promiscuity and the commonly-held belief that women are inherently compelled to seek out a 'good provider'. According to this doco, that's only HALF true. Using examples from the animal kingdom, it shows that females are looking for two very separate things when it comes to having children...a safe and secure home and 'superior' male genes.

In practice, this means the female seeks out a stable and supportive provider to build her nest/home with - preferably one that isn't overly fit or attractive, so no other females will steal him away and threaten her family's security. She then goes out and screws as many young, fit, healthy, attractive men as she can, forcing their sperm to compete*, with only the strongest sperm (presumably from the healthiest male) resulting in pregnancy. Dr Tatiana's research finds that in many species, females are actually MORE promiscuous than males are.

Both sexes have an inherent urge to ensure survival of the species, but they do it in different ways. Women can only have one baby every year or so, so they're more likely to have frequent sex with one particularly desirable male, to increase the potential of 'superior' offspring (affairs). Men can father many babies simultaneously, so they're more likely to be indiscriminate in their choice of partners and just 'spread it around' to increase the overall number of offspring (variety). The doco suggests that this male tendency towards indiscriminate sex leads to various forms of prostitution in the animal kingdom, with females taking advantage of the males' need for variety and using it to set herself up for her eventual role as mother and home-maker (extra food for physical health, 'currency' in the form of nest-building materials, etc).

Obviously this is just one theory from one doco, and there are many competing theories out there, but this one made a lot of sense to me when I watched it. I'd be interested to hear what you guys think?

* This idea of sperm competing might support Bango's comment about some sperm being designed solely to kill other sperm?

Calculator
02-13-10, 06:36
In USA and its laws very likely it might give much trouble. But in the place where I might marry, traditionally your wife is supposed to support you in everything(and you her too of course), she can be very beautiful, family oriented, cooks well, always there for you. Also she always knows there are many other women who would be happy to be in her place, so she won't do much stupid things. I would guess that USA(and similar countires) is kinda opposite.What or where is this place?

It just sounds right compared to our AW culture.

Rubber Nursey
02-13-10, 07:15
the ideal is you have one woman (yours only) and a few others on the side. so the one has your kids who inherit your junk when you pass on.
This is the (developed by Christianity) idea of male 'ownership' of women and children, as a way of ensuring that your wife only bears *your* children. In this day and age, where women have access to birth control and can pick and choose when they get pregnant, it is completely irrelevant.

Extra-marital sexual activity is no longer directly related to childbearing. As far as I'm concerned, if my partner believes he has the 'right' to screw around for fun or variety, then so do I. End of story.

Robert1110
02-13-10, 09:19
The kids are more likely to reach adulthood and have kids of their own if the father sticks around and provides for the kids while they're growing up. This difference is more marked at a hunter-gatherer level of society, which is how Homo sapiens has spent the overwhelming majority of its time on Earth; but this advantage continues into the agricultural level, and even into the industrial and technological level of society.

A child of our species takes 12-15 years to reach sexual maturity. During that time the child needs a lot of nurturing, and good food, to grow up healthy and strong. The father who sticks around and provides for his offspring is more likely to have his DNA stay and spread in the gene-pool, right? At the same time, his chances are diluted if his mate "plays around. " So faithful pair-bonding, I. E. Marriage, is important to the survival of the man's genotype. Add in the modern, agricultural and post-agricultural concepts of "property" and "inheritance, " and it becomes even more significant to have a strong pair-bond and sexual exclusivity.

And, given the importance of having a "good provider" to raise healthy children, the woman in these pre-industrial societies would have a significant stake in making sure the father supports her and their children. Anything she can do to keep the father interested in sticking around is a worthwhile investment in her genetic future, too! So, in that model, the woman who "keeps her man happy" can hang on to a "good provider" to her immediate and future benefit.

From this, I believe we can impute the value of "love & marriage" to the continued survival of "our individual, genetic heritage. " Add the modern concepts of "property" "wealth" and "inheritance" plus the dictates of religion, and we REALLY raise the stakes at the marriage table! Thus you get "The Donald" cleaving unto a trophy wife, or a succession of trophy wives; or, in a far-different culture, the Sultan and his harem.

Today's American culture has raised the bar so much on "successful providing" that the male has to work almost impossibly hard to "make it".


LOL who let this clown in here? LOL nice stuff but it has nothing to do with marriage in the sense in which we are talking

to "man" in general, this BS may apply, i am asking, name ONE benefit, legal or otherwise for a man, (other than to ensure LOL his genotype) to marry a AW beotch?

Robert1110
02-13-10, 09:23
In USA and its laws very likely it might give much trouble. But in the place where I might marry, traditionally your wife is supposed to support you in everything(and you her too of course), she can be very beautiful, family oriented, cooks well, always there for you. Also she always knows there are many other women who would be happy to be in her place, so she won't do much stupid things. I would guess that USA(and similar countires) is kinda opposite.Dude,

Where are you from? I looked at your public profile but that doesn't say.

I need to visit at the very least. I need to see this for myself.

Robert1110
02-13-10, 09:40
All you folks questioning the post below about killer sperm, you all need to read "sperm wars" by Robin Baker.

Talk about opening your eyes to the true nature of women!

It is not flattering of women at all and it is science.

Did you know, conservatively, 1 out of every 10 children are not the biological son / daughter of the man who believes he is the biological father?

Men may lie about being at the bar with their buddies, but that is nothing compared to the life long lie of letting some poor schmuck that is your husband live a life raising a child (or children) that he believes are his biological children but are not.

There are a lot of women doing this and they have since the dawn of humans

Did you know, if, say you have a live in girlfriend or wife and you have sex every day. And say for instance, you load her up with 100 million sperm. And she leaves for an overnight trip.

And say you have no reason to think she would ever sleep with another man. And she comes home and even if you masturbated to take care of the day she was gone. And you have sex with her upon return, you will shoot 200 million sperm. Most of it "sperm killer" sperm. Your subconscious mind knws better. It knows these kind of woman are ruthless liars.

There is all kinds of stuff. Like how a woman's ovulation favors the sperm of her lover (alpha male) over the sperm of her provider (beta). Her pussy husband could be tagging it every nite (not likely) and she has sex with her lover once that month and guess who's sperm her egg is going to let in? Yep, you guessed it. The lovers (it's complicated but enzymes have something to do with it)

Since reading that book and understanding the true nature of women, I have and always will strive to remain the alpha male I am than ever be a pussy beta male raising some other (alpha dude) mans kids.

Robert1110
02-13-10, 09:45
the ideal is you have one woman (yours only) and a few others on the side. So the one has your kids who inherit your junk when you pass on.

Then you just sow your wild oats with the rest, if the oatlings make it great, if not, well, you have your one woman.

This rather successful guy, just by putting half his energy into the real family insures those kids carry on.

The other half he throws around as best he can.

The woman may not be happy she's only getting half, but she knows wny other successful guy would be the same, knows in the end getting half from this guy is still a good deal, and looks the other way.

A woman really doesn't benefit as much from sowing her oats. She just plows everything into the kids with the one man.

She MIGHT sow her oats if she thinks (1) the guy she has won't notice/care because he's a loser or (2) the guy she has just isn't capable of doing the job himself.

Now there are some guys who have trouble supporting just one woman.

That guy focuses everything on the one.

She knows she isn't that hot either. So she focuses on him as well. This couple together can somehow manage. So they don't want to rock the boat.

Marriage keeps all these women happy, since it guarantees their kids come out better than if they were by themselves.

Then there are the women who become the fields for the wild oats. We all know and love them. That field is open to whoever wants to plow it.

What about the men who can't get a woman? Sometimes they stray into the wild oat field that got left open for a few days. Most of the time they are under a bridge.This is spot on.

Robert1110
02-13-10, 09:55
you have got to be kidding. most tribes. read about any amazon trib. and they still ahve them where their is, and has not been any christian influence. they may be poygamous. but still that only means the man may have 2 maybe 3 wives. but he isn't sharing them with anyone. also he is providing for them. and is committed to them. jealousy is a innate condition in 99% of humans. the is no society known to man who society had total open non committal sex partners. where anyone could fuck anyone and they was no commitment on anyones part.

and as far as your sperm theory. thats just out right wrong. your problem is probably lack of comprehension. what you are talking about is we produce a lot of sperm some of which about 1/3 are called "killer" sperm. which yes kills sperm but not your own sperm.

if 2 men both have sex with a woman and both cum inside her. one guy's "killer" sperm would try to attack the other guys sperm, to give the other sperm on his team a better chance at impregnanting the worman. they don't kill their own "brothers" or teammates. they are the team "hit squad" sort of speak. i just happen to have a doctor in the famiiy.lets see your sources pal: "jealousy is a innate condition in 99% of humans. " totally made up, your opinion. cite your source! i must be one of the 1% who could care less who any of the women i f**k sleep with and that includes my eastern european wife who is half my age. she knows i am an atomic dog and loves me for it. she knows i am not going to stop with other women until i die or cannot perform. and i do not have a double standard

yes, the killer sperm does not attack your own sperm. it actually "tests" other sperm on the race to the egg. not only killer sperm but there is also "blocker sperm". read "sperm wars" by robin baker.

that guy, sometimes i think you are a woman posing as a man but i let that go and now think you just make up things like the 99% bs. if you want to run with the big dogs, you better do your research

you show me a peer reviewed source where 99% of human are jealous and i'll eat my words and apologize but i do not have to do any research to know that is total bs.

Robert1110
02-13-10, 09:59
There's a really fascinating 3-part doco series called "Dr Tatiana's Sex Advice to All Creation". According to the website it hasn't been approved for screening in the USA, but it's been shown in Australia, UK, France, etc and it's definitely worth a look if you can get your hands on it.

The second episode talks about female promiscuity and the commonly-held belief that women are inherently compelled to seek out a 'good provider'. According to this doco, that's only HALF true. Using examples from the animal kingdom, it shows that females are looking for two very separate things when it comes to having children. A safe and secure home and 'superior' male genes.

In practice, this means the female seeks out a stable and supportive provider to build her nest/home with. Preferably one that isn't overly fit or attractive, so no other females will steal him away and threaten her family's security. She then goes out and screws as many young, fit, healthy, attractive men as she can, forcing their sperm to compete*, with only the strongest sperm (presumably from the healthiest male) resulting in pregnancy. Dr Tatiana's research finds that in many species, females are actually MORE promiscuous than males are.

Both sexes have an inherent urge to ensure survival of the species, but they do it in different ways. Women can only have one baby every year or so, so they're more likely to have frequent sex with one particularly desirable male, to increase the potential of 'superior' offspring (affairs). Men can father many babies simultaneously, so they're more likely to be indiscriminate in their choice of partners and just 'spread it around' to increase the overall number of offspring (variety). The doco suggests that this male tendency towards indiscriminate sex leads to various forms of prostitution in the animal kingdom, with females taking advantage of the males' need for variety and using it to set herself up for her eventual role as mother and home-maker (extra food for physical health, 'currency' in the form of nest-building materials, etc).

Obviously this is just one theory from one doco, and there are many competing theories out there, but this one made a lot of sense to me when I watched it. I'd be interested to hear what you guys think?

* This idea of sperm competing might support Bango's comment about some sperm being designed solely to kill other sperm?It's not theory, it's fact.

This is what the book "Sperm Wars" addresses and more

Very good post,

Thank you

Westy
02-13-10, 13:35
LOL who let this clown in here? LOL nice stuff but it has nothing to do with marriage in the sense in which we are talking

to "man" in general, this BS may apply, i am asking, name ONE benefit, legal or otherwise for a man, (other than to ensure LOL his genotype) to marry a AW beotch?Robert,

I'm SO glad you picked up on the praying-mantis suit, the greasepaint smile, the rainbow wig and the big red rubber nose.

My slapstick point is that there's a plausible biological reason why humans will pair-bond; for the sake of the kids. As "the naked ape" has evolved, we've added all kinds of emotional, religous, and legal baggage to the pair-bond. Now, the "AW beotch" has turned it into a Royal Scam.

And yet, there are couples in the USA who describe themselves as "happily married. " There are more who admit "marriage is work, but I find it fulfilling. " You may regard this as more slapstick from Westy The Clown, if you like.

Personally, I have seen some "happy" marriages in the USA, and I have seen some that made me wince and think "How can you stand it? " I'm sure you've seen both extremes, too. I am pessimist enough to believe that I'd wind up hitched up to a beotch-cart and pulling caballo the rest of my life, so I'm not even looking for "love American style". I find it satisfying enough to say, in the morning, "I love you too, babe. Here's cab-fare to get you home. "

To quote Porky Pig, "Th-th-th-th-th-that's all, folks! "

Clandestine782
02-13-10, 17:47
it's not theory, it's fact

this is what the book "sperm wars" addresses and more

very good post, thank youone by one:

1. there are lots of books that come out every year about this or that, and just because someone puts it out does not make it indisputable fact. how many books have been published about homeopathic or chiropractic medicine? and both of them are bullshit. but there are many more books written about them than there are "sperm competition." or about intelligence as a structure vs. multiple intellegences vs. intelligence studied w/out structure (the bell curve).

2. the word "theory" (=the most misused word in the english language) means something that is meant to explain something that actually exists or predict something that should exist (and this is only if the theory is right). when you say "it is a fact and not theory" you are mixing apples and oranges. if the idea of "sperm competition" explains some particular thing, then sperm competition is the theory that explains that phenomenon, and the question is not whether that phenomenon exists but whether sperm competition is a suitable/ sufficient explanation. so, i am not sure what "sperm competition" is purporting to explain.

to go a bit further: evolution is not something that we doubt. but there are questions as to whether evolution is explained by natural selection or sexual selection. and then there are further questions still as to whether evolution happened gradually or by "punctuated equilibrium." they are two separate theories that are meant to explain the same process in each case. so, it is generally meaningless to say that one is "just theory" and the other is "fact." they are both theories to explain one single thing. and even within one animal, there are competing theories to explain even smaller things (such as concealed ovulation in humans-- some use the "many fathers" theory and others use the "stay at home father" theory).

3. http://sciencemag.org/cgi/content/short/286/5448/2265b

here is a peer-reviewed article that speaks against sperm competition.

4. i have never heard of thunder mouth press before today, and don't read an endorsement from a single biologist of note on the back of the book. (richard dawkins. jared diamond. s j gould-- who was alive when this idea came out and would have had at least something to say.)

5. another article, still that lays waste to sperm competition. http://www.seductionlabs.org/2007/05/24/sperm-competition-and-the-kamikaze-sperm-hypothesis/

Clandestine782
02-13-10, 17:58
This is the (developed by Christianity) idea of male 'ownership' of women and children, as a way of ensuring that your wife only bears *your* children. In this day and age, where women have access to birth control and can pick and choose when they get pregnant, it is completely irrelevant.

Extra-marital sexual activity is no longer directly related to childbearing. As far as I'm concerned, if my partner believes he has the 'right' to screw around for fun or variety, then so do I. End of story.Sorry, but the idea of fidelity long antedates Christianity. Jews are really worried about fidelity, and they have been around long before the church. Chinese people have been around as long as Jews (who started out as a tribe and then became strict monotheists), and they are just as worried about paternity/ marital fidelity.

A good place to read about this is during Imperial China. This story forms the basis for lots of Chinese dramas: There is an emperor somewhere who has some number of concubines. There are eunuchs who keep track of the women's menstrual periods and and the only ones allowed to be around these concubines because they are the only ones who could not impregnate these women. The eunuch does some dirty trick to get the person that he wants put into some post. (The first emperor, Qin Shi Huang's son killed himself as a result of a letter that was forged by, I believe, Zhao Gao so that he could have his adopted son appointed emperor. Many centuries later, when Ci Xi was maneuvering to get herself appointed Empress Dowager, her eunuch was the one who helped her hatch the plot.) The idea of "eunuchs" also shows up in a lot of things that I have read about the Middle East.

You can do some looking into a Jared Diamond book "The Third Chimpanzee" and he details the sexual behavior of the Great Apes. Some of them are monogamous (gibbons, I believe), others very promiscuous (bonobo chimps) and others still live in harems, protected by the strongest male possible (silverback gorillas). It was also interesting to note this book's documenting that if a gorilla came across any female with a baby that was not his, he would kill the child. If she didn't have a child, he would leave her alone.

ThatGuy865
02-13-10, 23:44
lets see your sources pal: "jealousy is a innate condition in 99% of humans. " totally made up, your opinion. cite your source! i must be one of the 1% who could care less who any of the women i f**k sleep with and that includes my eastern european wife who is half my age. she knows i am an atomic dog and loves me for it. she knows i am not going to stop with other women until i die or cannot perform. and i do not have a double standard

yes, the killer sperm does not attack your own sperm. it actually "tests" other sperm on the race to the egg. not only killer sperm but there is also "blocker sperm". read "sperm wars" by robin baker

that guy, sometimes i think you are a woman posing as a man but i let that go and now think you just make up things like the 99% bs. if you want to run with the big dogs, you better do your research

you show me a peer reviewed source where 99% of human are jealous and i'll eat my words and apologize but i do not have to do any research to know that is total bswhere your argument goes wrong is. jealousy occurs for those things which a person values. so you don't value your wife's fidelity. that doesn't mean you don't get jealous ever. a person can be jealous of anothers job. position in life. you are narrow minded so you only think of it when it pertains to a woman. but all normal people have jealousy as a trait. emotion within them.

you see it in babies all the time. even before they can speak. give one baby something. and not the sibling. and the one without starts to cry. why. jealousy.

but here are sources all of these say everyone has jealousy as a natural emotion.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_g2699/is_0001/ai_2699000186/

http://www.askmen.com/dating/curtsmith_60/78_dating_advice.html

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1877309/dating_relationships_is_jealousy_normal.html

let me know when you are finished eating.

Bango Cheito
02-14-10, 02:23
"Sperm Wars" is EXACTLY the book I'm referring too... it's cold hard science... it's behavior that can be repeatedly observed 100% of them time under a microscope... there's no room to ***** and whine here.. it's mother nature... right up in our faces.... no "opinions" involved here... just FACT...

Thatguy you are also wrong as HELL about amazon tribes.. for one thing they are all very different from one another, and there are MANY MANY of them that DO make it culture or even a legal OBLIGATION to share wives... not to mention the Inuit, the Spartans, the native Tahitians and the Arawaks all of whom I mentioned earlier... PLENTY of advanced and not advanced civilizations have had these practices engrained in our culture... here in Colombia there are lots of indigenous cultures practicing their own traditions legally protected by the constitution.... and many of them share women among men as well...

N.B. among primates it is the same thing... but the ones willing to share their women are the ones NOT in danger of extinction... I believe the situation for the human race is the same... we keep on with this monogamy bullshit WE ARE FINISHED... and the bonobos or the dolphins will take over by default as the dominant species on Earth....

Even the ancient Hebrews were only PARTIALLY monogamous... the only ones required to be 100% monogamous were the priests and scribes, and that was in the sense that they had to take virgins for wives (they could still have several), things were more lax among the general population. At different times, prostitution was tolerated, at others it was forbidden. In ancient China prostitution was ALWAYS legal and in fact many times ENCOURAGED by local authorities to keep the local population content.

Bango Cheito
02-14-10, 02:26
Just as a note... if you get a copy of "Sperm Wars" either get a 1st edition (very hard to find in the US) or get a 2nd edition but IGNORE the last chapter... the author was FORCED by the publishers to put that last chapter in to appease the prudish ignorant retarded American readership... it's the only chapter with no REAL science in it...

Rubber Nursey
02-14-10, 05:51
Sorry, but the idea of fidelity long antedates Christianity...etc.
Oops...one typo and I've practically changed the whole meaning of my post! In response to Crazy Jim's claim that his 'ideal' was to have one faithful wife, etc, my post should have read that his was a Christian IDEAL (not 'idea'). In hindsight, saying it was a view 'developed' by Christianity was also wrong. I should have said 'promoted'.

What I was getting at is that 'Western' cultures (and our laws) are heavily influenced by Christian beliefs. One of them is the idea of marriage as a 'property transfer' of the woman, from father to husband, and the emphasis on FEMALE fidelity to ensure the continuation of male bloodlines. I agree that this is not a uniquely Christian idea and that it has happened for centuries in other cultures - my post was, although unintentionally, very Anglo-centric. Thank you for pulling me up on that. :)

Bango Cheito
02-14-10, 15:15
As for jealousy, I don't know how innate it is, it's pretty hard to say how Paleolithic people reacted in those situations, or if they reacted with any sort of uniformity at all.....

I do know in my own personal life I have successfully eliminated any last trace of jealousy. I don't feel it at all. I only feel lack of something I want, which is very different in character. I've been this way for several years, and I consider it a great accomplishment. I don't think jealousy serves us at all.

Brad Dupree
02-14-10, 20:26
Am stuck in NY for awhile so I decided to check out a well know online classified add site to find some action. Am off to a bad start. Look at these gems posted by some typical AWs.


Are you feeling the Valentine's blues? Are you willing to pay $500 for some (platonic) female accompaniment this evening?

I am a 23 year old college graduate. I am a very attractive and highly educated young lady: a great conversationalist, with varied interests.

I am a petite blond, with blue eyes. Under 35 please. and


Hi, Beautiful girl here, smart, caucasian, slender, very feminine and fun loving. I am looking for cool gentelman, generous and respectful, who would take me shopping today. Do you like beautiful women in beautiful lingerie? High heels shoes? If you take me shopping- I would like to model them for you back at my place. No sex. But, I would be happy to give you a nice massage and have a good time with you.

If my idea appeals to you, please send me an email and your photo and let's have a nice Valentine's Day."Are these skanks actually going to get some responders? Probably...so fking sad.

Robert1110
02-15-10, 02:15
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_g2699/is_0001/ai_2699000186/

http://www.askmen.com/dating/curtsmith_60/78_dating_advice.html

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1877309/dating_relationships_is_jealousy_normal.html

let me know when you are finished eating.you actually think these are peer reviewed and they insist everyone is "jealous".

lol

you have zero cred with me.

i must be a sociopath. i have no jealousy about anything.

i know i am precisely where i am at as a result of my own actions or inactions. i am not jealous of anyone or any thing.

Robert1110
02-15-10, 02:25
Robert,

I'm SO glad you picked up on the praying-mantis suit, the greasepaint smile, the rainbow wig and the big red rubber nose.

My slapstick point is that there's a plausible biological reason why humans will pair-bond; for the sake of the kids. As "the naked ape" has evolved, we've added all kinds of emotional, religous, and legal baggage to the pair-bond. Now, the "AW beotch" has turned it into a Royal Scam.

And yet, there are couples in the USA who describe themselves as "happily married. " There are more who admit "marriage is work, but I find it fulfilling. " You may regard this as more slapstick from Westy The Clown, if you like.

Personally, I have seen some "happy" marriages in the USA, and I have seen some that made me wince and think "How can you stand it? " I'm sure you've seen both extremes, too. I am pessimist enough to believe that I'd wind up hitched up to a beotch-cart and pulling caballo the rest of my life, so I'm not even looking for "love American style". I find it satisfying enough to say, in the morning, "I love you too, baB. Here's cab-fare to get you home. "

To quote Porky Pig, "Th-th-th-th-th-that's all, folks! "Westy,

I understand and agree with much of what you are saying here (in your previous post, the one I originally responded to), but "pairing" and "marriage" are not the same thing.

You can accomplish all of what you describe to ensure your genetic survival w/o marriage. The legal contract of marriage contributes nothing to this survival. In fact, this contract is dissolved more often than it is fulfilled.

My question remains, what benefit does the legal contract of marriage afford the man under the laws of any state within the USA?

Westy
02-15-10, 05:22
westy, i understand and agree with much of what you are saying here (in your previous post , the one i originally responded to), but "pairing" and "marriage" are not the same thing..

you can accomplish all of what you describe to ensure your genetic survival w/o marriage...the legal contract of marriage contributes nothing to this survival. in fact, this contract is dissolved more often than it is fulfilled.

my question remains, what benefit does the legal contract of marriage afford the man under the laws of any state within the USA?Ahhhh, the legal benefit of marriage, to the man, under the laws of the states of the USA. All too good of a question.

As far as I know, the answer is the cube root of butt-f**k zero.

ThatGuy865
02-15-10, 05:50
you actually think these are peer reviewed and they insist everyone is "jealous"

lol

you have zero cred with me ....

i must be a sociopath..i have no jealousy about anything

i know i am precisely where i am at as a result of my own actions or inactions..i am not jealous of anyone or any thing.no matter what i would have shown you. you would have given the same answer.

as tje artoc; e states

"let me start out by saying if anyone ever says to you they have never even had a twinge of jealousy, they're either lying, naive, or a sociopath. i believe even sociopaths who although can't exhibit much warmth or emotion, can even feel jealous"

and if you're not jealous. great send that easter european wife of yours over so i can tickle her tonsils with my dick. since you don't mind. and i'll show her what kind of woman i am.

tg

Australiasucks
02-15-10, 15:54
If you are in NY you should take a weekend trip to Montreal, about a four to five hour drive and world of difference from America. I thought Australia was bad until I saw America. Australia at least has large numbers of good Asian providers that provide good service for cheap, its the white women in Australia that are horrible, they will give you a penile examination before you giving you any sexual services.

Capt Ajax
02-15-10, 22:41
If you are in NY you should take a weekend trip to Montreal, about a four to five hour drive and world of difference from America. Its the white women in Australia that are horrible, they will give you a penile examination before you giving you any sexual services.

So, getting a penile look over is a bad thing?? I agree with you on Montreal, prettiest women in N.America.

Yogin
02-16-10, 01:58
A chick did the "look over" to me in Victoria Canada. It was all I could do to not burst out laughing. What did the untrained eye of this dull-witted high school graduate expect to find anyway? There are countless diseases and disorders that would be impossible for her to spot!

And I agree, the best looking women by far in N. America are in Montreal. No coincidence that, they being non-Anglo.

Robert1110
02-16-10, 03:56
no matter what i would have shown you. you would have given the same answer.i can see you are one of these guys that try and rewrite the argument when you have no facts.

do you know what a "peer-reviewed" article or paper is? do you think an artical pulled off the internet in say, a men's magazine is "peer reviewed"?

you gave us your opinion that 100% of people are "jealous" and i asked you to back up your absurd statement.

and you cannot. so you tell me no matter what you "show" me, i will give the "same answer".

ahem. i'll say it again. show me a peer-reviwed (that pretty much means scientific study) and i will eat my words.

until then, you are busy eating yours, ok?

my wife has good taste and likes intelligent men, you would not make the grade.

Robert1110
02-16-10, 04:00
Ahhhh, the legal benefit of marriage, to the man, under the laws of the states of the USA. All too good of a question.

As far as I know, the answer is the cube root of butt-f**k zero.We are in complete agreement.

I should have asked a better question.

Bango Cheito
02-16-10, 04:36
I USED to be jealous, but I learned how to conquer it. Same with fear. Negative emotions have NO PLACE... NONE!

You can have any girl I sleep with ..... IF she's willing... some of them are putas... you just have to pay the going rate and be clean and halfway respectful... if you can manage that, be my guest. I'm not anybody's owner!!!



No matter what I would have shown you. You would have given the same answer.

As tje artoc; e states

"Let me start out by saying if anyone ever says to you they have never even had a twinge of jealousy, they're either lying, naive, or a sociopath. I believe even sociopaths who although can't exhibit much warmth or emotion, can even feel jealous"

And if you're not jealous. Great send that easter European wife of yours over so I can tickle her tonsils with my dick. Since you don't mind. And I'll show her what kind of woman I am.

TG

ThatGuy865
02-16-10, 06:15
I USED to be jealous, but I learned how to conquer it. Same with fear. Negative emotions have NO PLACE. NONE!

You can have any girl I sleep with. IF she's willing. Some of them are putas. You just have to pay the going rate and be clean and halfway respectful. If you can manage that, be my guest. I'm not anybody's owner!So you are the one bad ass who could be water boarded and because you have no "fear" you wouldn't give up any secrets. Yeah right. And just because you don't care about anyone fuckin a hoe you fuckd. Doesn't mean you don't get jealous. It just means like most guys who fuck hoes. You don't put any value on those relationship. duh.

Robert1110
02-16-10, 08:07
so you are the one bad ass who could be water boarded and because you have no "fear" you wouldn't give up any secrets. yeah right. and just because you don't care about anyone fuckin a hoe you fuckd. doesn't mean you don't get jealous. it just means like most guys who fuck hoes. you don't put any value on those relationship. duh.you really don't get it do you? i "value" some of the relationships i have with some women, including my wife. you keep twisting your argument, which is 100% of humans are "jealous".

you do not even recognize the absurdity of your claim and you are the one who will "give the same answer" regardless of the facts.

you have yet to provide anything remotely backing your preposterous claim, because you already know you will be unable to do so.

so you have no other course than to admit you do not know what you are talking about (which i am fairly sure you will not do) or, you will now say, since because some real men, such as bango cheito and millions of other real men who do not feel the emotion of jealousy (a byproduct of insecurity or a realization of one's inferiority), we somehow do not "value" our relationships, or our women are "ho's".

you're making about as much sense as sarah palin and, like her, make preposterous claims devoid of evidence.

one peer reviewed scientific study that says 100% of humans are jealous is all i'm asking.

surely, if it were a fact instead of nothing more than your opinion, you should be able to come up with such an article in seconds using google.

instead, we will read yet another convoluted attempt to twist your opinion into some sort of fact, regardless of how unsubstantiated.

DJ FourMoney
02-16-10, 08:37
A chick did the "look over" to me in Victoria Canada. It was all I could do to not burst out laughing. What did the untrained eye of this dull-witted high school graduate expect to find anyway? There are countless diseases and disorders that would be impossible for her to spot!

And I agree, the best looking women by far in N. America are in Montreal. No coincidence that, they being non-Anglo.

I chatted up a very nice looking Mexican girl (US Born), she recently returned from vacationing down in some town/city near Guadalajara.

I dunno maybe I fucked up though because she didn't mind talking to me one bit once she found out I was beyond what most people talk about. She's currently a student but not going to school. She was looking for a job so I gave her a couple of numbers to managers I know (one I work with) I didn't want to seem to forward by offering my number to her and expecting her to call it.

I was just kinda surprised she wasn't defensive like most AW are. We'll see what happens. Imagine that a nice looking (European decent for sure no dark features at all) Latina that isn't so high on herself that she's a biotch.

I suppose this is one of those "Perfect Grain of Sand" - "Needle In The Haystack" moments, we'll see how it goes.

Bango Cheito
02-16-10, 10:06
I had to fight for my life against 3 armed muggers over a year ago, got stabbed 5 times, no fear.

You are assuming wayyyy too much brother man. One of the hoes in question was my WIFE with whom I bought property!!! And I LIKED it when she fucked other guys, especially if we got it on video. Any more stupid assumptions???


So you are the one bad ass who could be water boarded and because you have no "fear" you wouldn't give up any secrets. Yeah right. And just because you don't care about anyone fuckin a hoe you fuckd. Doesn't mean you don't get jealous. It just means like most guys who fuck hoes. You don't put any value on those relationship. duh.

ThatGuy865
02-17-10, 04:21
I had to fight for my life against 3 armed muggers over a year ago, got stabbed 5 times, no fear.

You are assuming wayyyy too much brother man. One of the hoes in question was my WIFE with whom I bought property! And I LIKED it when she fucked other guys, especially if we got it on video. Any more stupid assumptions?Well sounds like to me. You married a slutty hoe. So I guess you aren't jealous. I know if I married the neighborhood pass around hoe. I guess I wouldn't be jealous either. And defending her against 3 muggers and getting stabbed 5 times. Doesn't mean you have no fear. To me just means you "got fucked up by 3 muggers" for being in the wrong place with your slutty wife, who you were forced to defend.

Robert1110
02-17-10, 04:55
Maybe that guy needs to experience more of life to have an understanding of emotions.

I think we can agree that "fear" is even more innate in humans than something much lesser such as "jealousy" which has nothing to do with survival instincts.

And even fear can be overcome. I will give you a personal example.

I have over 3000 skydives, some 3-4 days (60-70hrs) in freefall.

On my first static line jump, I was so scared (fear), that if the woman before me did not go, I would have rode down with her in the airplane. But, dang it, she went so I had no real choice unless I wanted to look like a real pussy.

Some 1000 jumps later, I could jump from any plane with my eyes closed. I am sure if there was something monitoring my heart rate and other vital signs, there would not be any indication or any difference during the ride to altitude all the way to exiting the plane, freefall, deploying my parachute and landing.

Absolutely no fear at all.

Amazing what the brain can do.

DJ FourMoney
02-17-10, 06:20
maybe thatguy needs to experience more of life to have an understanding of emotions.

i think we can agree that "fear" is even more innate in humans than something much lesser such as "jealousy" which has nothing to do with survival instincts.

and even fear can be overcome. i will give you a personal example.

i have over 3000 skydives, some 3-4 days (60-70hrs) in freefall.

on my first static line jump, i was so scared (fear), that if the woman before me did not go, i would have rode down with her in the airplane. but, dang it, she went so i had no real choice unless i wanted to look like a real pussy.

some 1000 jumps later, i could jump from any plane with my eyes closed. i am sure if there was something monitoring my heart rate and other vital signs, there would not be any indication or any difference during the ride to altitude all the way to exiting the plane, freefall, deploying my parachute and landing.

absolutely no fear at all.

amazing what the brain can do.

I agree the only fear that would come into place is if the chute did not deploy like it should.

It happen to fellow Club DJ Rob Harris as he was doing a shoot for a Mountain Dew ad and his chute failed.

If that name rings a bell, he won the first ESPN X Games Sky Surfing Competition, you can find videos on You Tube.

Indeed its amazing what you can overcome...

Robert1110
02-17-10, 18:13
I agree the only fear that would come into place is if the chute did not deploy like it should.

It happen to fellow Club DJ Rob Harris as he was doing a shoot for a Mountain Dew ad and his chute failed.

If that name rings a bell, he won the first ESPN X Games Sky Surfing Competition, you can find videos on You Tube.

Indeed its amazing what you can overcome...


yes, i met rob in eloy AZ shortly before the MD commercial...great guy, and proof it (death) happens to the best.

he was a pure NATURAL on a board.

we had a safety meeting together, having met him through another friend who was a world champion at the time, kirk v

the way i heard it, he had trouble with the concealed rig. it was not good weather but the pressure to jump because of the production crew led to bad decisions.

Helpmann
02-17-10, 19:28
More evidence of biatch slappin' Asian men...

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (CNN) -- For the first time, Malaysian authorities have caned three Muslim women under Islamic law for acts of adultery, the Malaysian national news agency Bernama said...

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/02/17/malaysia.adultery.caning/index.html?hpt=T2

-Helpmann :)


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"You got to reverse it. Don't be pussy-whipped, whip that pussy. Like this here, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang." - Mr. Jackson

ThatGuy865
02-18-10, 04:23
maybe thatguy needs to experience more of life to have an understanding of emotions.

i think we can agree that "fear" is even more innate in humans than something much lesser such as "jealousy" which has nothing to do with survival instincts.

and even fear can be overcome. i will give you a personal example.

i have over 3000 skydives, some 3-4 days (60-70hrs) in freefall.

on my first static line jump, i was so scared (fear), that if the woman before me did not go, i would have rode down with her in the airplane. but, dang it, she went so i had no real choice unless i wanted to look like a real pussy.

some 1000 jumps later, i could jump from any plane with my eyes closed. i am sure if there was something monitoring my heart rate and other vital signs, there would not be any indication or any difference during the ride to altitude all the way to exiting the plane, freefall, deploying my parachute and landing.

absolutely no fear at all.

amazing what the brain can do.No you only mastered fearing of that one thing. You did not master FEAR of all things to say you have NO FEAR of anything at ALL. Anyone can master the fear they have of one thing or another.

When I first learned to ride a bicycle as a kid I had fear of falling. Like most kids. But after you learn how to balance. Before you know it. You're riding with no hands. That doesn't mean you've mastered FEAR.

Shit if that was the case eveyone masters FEAR. Because everyone has overcome the fear of something. Sleeping alone. Sleeping in the Dark. Shit I can name a dozen things that every ordinary people have fear of and overcome.

Your analogy just doesn't hold water. But good try. And I reckon. I've probably experienced as much in life as most if not more than most.

ThatGuy865
02-18-10, 04:27
I agree the only fear that would come into place is if the chute did not deploy like it should.

It happen to fellow Club DJ Rob Harris as he was doing a shoot for a Mountain Dew ad and his chute failed.

If that name rings a bell, he won the first ESPN X Games Sky Surfing Competition, you can find videos on You Tube.

Indeed its amazing what you can overcome...Well if you conquered fear. Even when the chute didn't open. You should do your best swan dive impression. Because you'd have no fear of dying. That is. If you really mastered FEAR. But we all know thats a bunch of BS. Everyone has fear in them. They have just avoided fearful situations to know.

Bango Cheito
02-18-10, 08:36
Keep pissing in the wind and showing your own ignorance, brother.

She was actually quite innocent when I met her. I opened her mind, and a few other parts of her :) To tell the truth, she did the same with me. Together we killed jealousy in each other. Despite the fact that we had problems and are no longer together, I will forever be grateful to her for that.

My wife wasn't with me when I got attacked, she was out hoeing somewhere else. And I fought the three of those little punks to a tie. I only mention it because it was for me what the skydiving was to Mr. Robert. My fear died forever in that street fight. I will never experience fear again.

Any more asinine totally off-base assumptions about my personal life?



Well sounds like to me. You married a slutty hoe. So I guess you aren't jealous. I know if I married the neighborhood pass around hoe. I guess I wouldn't be jealous either. And defending her against 3 muggers and getting stabbed 5 times. Doesn't mean you have no fear. To me just means you "got fucked up by 3 muggers" for being in the wrong place with your slutty wife, who you were forced to defend.

Robert1110
02-19-10, 03:46
No you only mastered fearing of that one thing. You did not master FEAR of all things to say you have NO FEAR of anything at ALL. Anyone can master the fear they have of one thing or another.

When I first learned to ride a bicycle as a kid I had fear of falling. Like most kids. But after you learn how to balance. Before you know it. You're riding with no hands. That doesn't mean you've mastered FEAR.

Shit if that was the case eveyone masters FEAR. Because everyone has overcome the fear of something. Sleeping alone. Sleeping in the Dark. Shit I can name a dozen things that every ordinary people have fear of and overcome.

Your analogy just doesn't hold water. But good try. And I reckon. I've probably experienced as much in life as most if not more than most.That guy, you are not worth the hassle. You are so out of it. Make your own claims and say they are mine?

Did I say I "mastered fear" anywhere?

You are a complete idiot and I'm not giving you the time of day anymore

Post away. Make up your own claims, make up the claims of others.

Nothing you have said to date backs up your absurd claims about jealousy

If you are married, I feel sorry for your wife. You're such a pussy, you are jealous of her, probably a control freak and if anyone else is banging her, such as myself or Bango Cheito or any real man for that matter, guess who's kid she will have?

Not yours.

Warbucks
02-19-10, 04:40
Guys guys. Let’s chill with the personal attacks. Attack the post not the poster. I know it gets a little tense on this board and I have done and said some things I shouldn’t have said in the past. You may have a guy harassing you or you may have a guy who just doesn’t agree with you all the time and it gets under your skin but there is no reason to throw the insults especially when none of us know each other personally.

The moderator usually shows up a little too late when things have got out of hand already and instead of holding everyone responsible he holds one guy responsible…. going with the tide of the board on who is causing the trouble when board members due to their own prejudice may have reasons for being against the poster in question.

You guys simply don’t agree with That Guy and he doesn’t agree with you guys it is as simple as that.

Bango Cheito
02-19-10, 09:26
I'd like in that case for us to steer clear of the ASSUMPTIONS.. I hate it when people ASSUME shit about me, they are usually completely wrong, as in this case. If in doubt, ASK!

For the record, I have ZERO fear. I don't fear dying, I don't fear any amount of pain. NOTHING. ZERO. I also have ZERO jealousy. The more I like a girl the MORE I want to share her, not the less! For that matter the MORE sexual partners she's had the MORE I want her. That's called being in tune with nature as opposed to society's bullshit. I don't buy the bullshit anymore.

Latin Bound
02-19-10, 14:47
Ever heard the phrase:

"Arguing online is like participating in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you are still a retard."

Just for those that take this way too personal.

Westy
02-19-10, 15:38
Warbucks,

I'm with you. People often DO disagree, but we can do so without being disagreeable; we can oppose a viewpoint without attacking the person occupying that viewpoint. Sometimes I have to take a deep breath and tell myself "He doesn't know me, all he knows is how HE feels."

Bango, I congratulate you for pushing fear and jealousy out of your inner make-up. I haven't quite done this for myself, but that's me. I would like to believe I've set aside jealousy, but it's a long time since I've had a relationship so deep and committed as to awaken the kind of "possessiveness" that would express itself as jealousy; so I don't know.

Anyways, aren't we here to "flame" the AW "beotches" rather than each other?

Robert1110
02-19-10, 16:52
guys guys. let’s chill with the personal attacks. attack the post not the poster. i know it gets a little tense on this board and i have done and said some things i shouldn’t have said in the past. you may have a guy harassing you or you may have a guy who just doesn’t agree with you all the time and it gets under your skin but there is no reason to throw the insults especially when none of us know each other personally.

the moderator usually shows up a little too late when things have got out of hand already and instead of holding everyone responsible he holds one guy responsible…. going with the tide of the board on who is causing the trouble when board members due to their own prejudice may have reasons for being against the poster in question.

you guys simply don’t agree with that guy and he doesn’t agree with you guys it is as simple as that.you're right warbucks. my apologies to the pinhead. j/k

here is what is going on. thatguy makes a preposterous claim that "100% of humans are jealous"

i ask him to back it up, he cannot.

bango and i give him examples of how people can control, overcome or are simply devoid of some of the most common emotions.

fear, (and i think i can back this up) is much more of an innately human emotion than jealousy as fear has a lot to do with fight or flight and therefore survival.

my example of overcoming a specific type of fear (and i am still afraid of heights, as illogical as that may seem being a very experienced skydiver but that's another story). was an attempt to illustrate how humans (my being one). can overcome emotions more powerful than jealousy.

that's all

we're still waiting to see the peer reviewed article backing up thatguys claim, and, as i predicted, he has not done so and he has made silly posts twisting both what bango and i are telling him about our personal experiences with certain emotions. that is easier than coming up with evidence of his preposterous claim; "100% of humans are jealous"

we're still waiting.

refute or back it up

DJ FourMoney
02-19-10, 21:39
yes, i met rob in eloy AZ shortly before the MD commercial...great guy, and proof it (death) happens to the best.

he was a pure NATURAL on a board.

we had a safety meeting together, having met him through another friend who was a world champion at the time, kirk v

the way i heard it, he had trouble with the concealed rig. it was not good weather but the pressure to jump because of the production crew led to bad decisions.I miss Rob more for his DJ chops one of the best club mixers in LA. There's one You Tube video where he gets out of bed and puts a record on one of his Techniques 1200's and that becomes the soundtrack for the video.

I think some of the deaths around the sports brought it to an end.

Robert1110
02-20-10, 04:39
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8fwskhvzau

i think this video is by joe jennings.

i met joe at a weathered out state record attempt in maryland, i think.

met rob at a halloween boogie at eloy. we partied with a few arizona airspeed teammates.

all good people

Goga Fung
02-20-10, 05:59
DUDE, where are you from? i looked at your public profile but that doesn't say chit.

i need to visit at the very least..i need to see this for myselfI am talking about Central Asia. When I tell people over there about your guys stories about AW they never believe.

ThatGuy865
02-21-10, 04:45
I'd like in that case for us to steer clear of the ASSUMPTIONS. I hate it when people ASSUME shit about me, they are usually completely wrong, as in this case. If in doubt, ASK!

For the record, I have ZERO fear. I don't fear dying, I don't fear any amount of pain. NOTHING. ZERO. I also have ZERO jealousy. The more I like a girl the MORE I want to share her, not the less! For that matter the MORE sexual partners she's had the MORE I want her. That's called being in tune with nature as opposed to society's bullshit. I don't buy the bullshit anymore.like I said you should join the CIA cause they would know you would never tell any secrets. You'd be the only guy in the world. Wome couldn't break you. No jealousy and torture wouldn't work on you cause you have no fear. Damn, I guess we lucky you aint a taliaban. You'd be the most dangerous man in the world. I surprised they haven't recruited you to at least show them how to overcome all these basic instincts that 99% of humans display.

I stand corrected, fellas because we now know the 1 person in the world who has no fear and no jealousy. Bango Cheito. What other natural emotions have you taught yourself to rid of. Maybe tireness. Stress. Nervousness. Exciitment.

Bango Cheito
02-22-10, 08:27
I'm hardly the only one. People who have mastered fear and jealousy are pretty rare but we are getting more and more numerous all the time.

Anybody who has mastered pranayama is immune to torture because they are capable of committing suicide by stopping their own hearts, under any circumstances.... that's a completely different discipline though...

It's a big world out there and you're seeing a tiny sliver of it BRO....

This is my whole point, people who think like I do do so because they have EVOLVED into it. People who think like you do do so because they are stuck at a lower level. Monogamy and jealousy and all the things that go with it are a lower level of existence.

Pretty ironic that you come on here and spout your worthless sarcasm over things that are so far over your head you're not even aware of them.

Australiasucks
02-22-10, 20:41
Back to topic, American, Australian, and British women are absolute horrors. Some Western European women are marginally better, more relaxed about sex. I would say Eastern Europe, Latin America, and Asia seem to have considerably better women, but I bet as those regions modernize they will become "American". The major underlying reason Western women behave the way they do is that they do not need a man for financial support, the system in the West largely is against men and rewards women for misconduct. People like Kim Kardashian and trash like her are seen as role models for females, its no wonder it is bad to be a man in these countries.

Bango Cheito
02-22-10, 23:22
Colombia is in NO danger of having the same thing happen. People here take great pride in their personal appearence, are aware of what's going on around the globe, adress each other with respect, they just have a completely different mindset. Plus people here are evolving quickly.

If you come here looking for the typical housewife you are in the WRONG fucking place my friend. If you come here looking for the best sex ever, you are in the right place, but better get your ducks in a row. People here are picky, you might not make the cut :P

Frankly if you're looking for the "typical housewife" you are in the wrong UNIVERSE these days :P The world is changing for the better... those kind of relationships are TOXIC and unnatural and not good for the species ;P

ThatGuy865
02-23-10, 02:41
Back to topic, American, Australian, and British women are absolute horrors. Some Western European women are marginally better, more relaxed about sex. I would say Eastern Europe, Latin America, and Asia seem to have considerably better women, but I bet as those regions modernize they will become "American". The major underlying reason Western women behave the way they do is that they do not need a man for financial support, the system in the West largely is against men and rewards women for misconduct. People like Kim Kardashian and trash like her are seen as role models for females, its no wonder it is bad to be a man in these countries.I live in America. Feel blessed. Wouldn't want to have been born or live anywhere else. Have had great women, great times and continue to have both. Do I monger. Yes. Thats for a change of pace and variety. Even the man who is accustom to Steak and champagne. Likes a hot dog and beer sometimes.

Voyajer1
02-23-10, 14:07
How many times does a hot dog bite you in the ass? That's what happens when dating good old AW's if you don't have your guard up at all times. Yes, from time to time one must taste the local cuisine. There is nothing wrong with that concept. Name the type of AW's and I've had a taste of most flavors. The problem is all the complications and the games these AW's have been trained to play to trap a man.

When not in good old Sex Prison, one can indulge and not worry about the consequences of philandering at will. Heck, look at what happened to a world famous golfer just recently. Having to go apologize for screwing skeezers would be the last thing he had to do if he knew where to go have a good time. Heck, if I were him I would have told everyone to mind their own business. Period. All these skanks keep throwing their drawers at him and he can't indulge? Please.

Around the world, except for certain First World countries, men of power and wealth are EXPECTED to slap as many ho's asses with their privates as they can get. They are admired for that, revered. Here in the Sex prison, it is a "Shameful, immoral, disgraceful and ground for scorn”. Look at what happened to all those politicians. No one talks about the women who KNEW the man was married, yet kept right on giving these men the temptation to stray from their marriages. As I always say, it takes two to Tango, the 50 or so women in these scandals all knew what they were doing. I can’t believe no one trashes them for having sex knowingly with married men.

Anyway, damn if you do and damn if you don’t play. The consequences in Sex Prison are the main motivators in avoiding these AW’s skanks as much as possible. Never say never, but I don’t go out seeking their awful disposition.

I live in America. Feel blessed. Wouldn't want to have been born or live anywhere else. Have had great women, great times and continue to have both. Do I monger. Yes. Thats for a change of pace and variety. Even the man who is accustom to Steak and champagne. Likes a hot dog and beer sometimes.

Bango Cheito
02-23-10, 16:13
The great irony is, Colombia DOES want to "be like the US" but they have an image of the US as what it's not.... they think of it as this great progressive open minded country breaking down social and cultural barriers, bringing various groups together, and collectively throwing off the shackles of religious and cultural oppression for all. This is the IDEAL they are pursuing, but many of them are absolutely clueless as to how far the US is from this. This may have been more true DECADES ago.

But the fact is that Americans (and Canadians as well) are the most PRUDISH people on the face of the Earth, and the quickest to judge others, as Voyager points out, one only has to open any major newspaper to verify this. I'm a very open minded person and here in Bogota I have a MUCH easier time meeting people who think (and ACT) like me.

Now if you excuse me I'm going to go call my prepago friend because we have to to promo shots today for a major porn producer. :)

Gentleman Travel
02-23-10, 16:31
When not in good old Sex Prison, one can indulge and not worry about the consequences of philandering at will. Heck, look at what happened to a world famous golfer just recently. Having to go apologize for screwing skeezers would be the last thing he had to do if he knew where to go have a good time. Heck, if I were him I would have told everyone to mind their own business. Period. All these skanks keep throwing their drawers at him and he can't indulge? Please.

... Look at what happened to all those politicians. No one talks about the women who KNEW the man was married, yet kept right on giving these men the temptation to stray from their marriages. As I always say, it takes two to Tango, the 50 or so women in these scandals all knew what they were doing. I can’t believe no one trashes them for having sex knowingly with married men.
I agree with much you say, but it is too much to blame or suggest the women are at fault for playing with a married man. It is the married person's problem to deal with the morality of their situation. If it doesn't bother the married half, then I don't see why the unmarried party should worry (or carry any responsibility). Tiger is a grown man, he can make his own decision about whether to philander or not.

Speaking as a married man it bugs the hell out of me when a prospective short-term fling demurs because she does not want to take "another woman's man" on principle. She will have NSA sex with a single or divorced guy, but not a married man. Some kind of code of the sisterhood. I can understand if they have a long-term relationship in mind, but for a quickie or brief affair - why is that her concern? I'm the one who has to live with it.

Opebo
02-23-10, 18:39
...The world is changing for the better...

I profoundly disagree, BC. The world is getting worse, and fast.

Jake993
02-23-10, 18:40
I agree with much you say, but it is too much to blame or suggest the women are at fault for playing with a married man. It is the married person's problem to deal with the morality of their situation. If it doesn't bother the married half, then I don't see why the unmarried party should worry (or carry any responsibility). Tiger is a grown man, he can make his own decision about whether to philander or not.

Speaking as a married man it bugs the hell out of me when a prospective short-term fling demurs because she does not want to take "another woman's man" on principle. She will have NSA sex with a single or divorced guy, but not a married man. Some kind of code of the sisterhood. I can understand if they have a long-term relationship in mind, but for a quickie or brief affair - why is that her concern? I'm the one who has to live with it.

This may be a bit outrageous, but to some degree this all started with the popularization of easily available birth control. In many ways, it was the enabling technology that gave women some degree of choice which was embraced widely throughout the Western World and certainly in the countries that we are talking about. Since that day, I think that to some degree women have been struggling with that choice ever since.

Think back to the 50's and early 60's. Women did not really have a choice. They got married and had kids (not necessarily in that order) and for the next 18 - 25 years, that was it. Having affairs was commonplace and even joked about even in the most polite circles. While certainly not condoned, women did not really have a choice. Cries of infidelity fell largely on deaf ears and were rarely effective grounds for divorce (blackmail) the way it is now. Why? Well, they didn't have much of a choice. If your husband screwed around but was a good provider and didn't beat you, women were encouraged to suck it up and get past it. I am in my early 50's and have several recently retired (and some not so recently) colleagues who reflect on the past who some degree of fondness comparing notes about extra marital trysts and the fact that while they were not happy about it, their wives knew it was going on and tolerated it. They laugh at us and what we have to deal with today.

Let's face it. The world, or more to the point OUR WORLD has changed with respect to what behavior women will or will not tolerate from their husbands. I believe that the shift in attitude and confidence stems from the ability of women to provide for themselves. Once they broke the bonds of dependence from a man to support them, a new boldness quickly gathered steam and evolved into what we have today.

So, what does this have to do with morality? Not a damned thing. Women have not changed their minds about how they feel about cheating husbands; the only thing that has changed is what they are prepared to do about it and the degree to which we caved in and been bullied into capitulating to their demands. Personally, I think what is at the heart of what we are dealing with today is not the fact that women have economic freedom, but the fact that they are CONFLICTED about what to do with that freedom. On the one hand, they have the freedom to support themselves and (to some degree) earn a man's money for them and their children. But on the other hand, she struggles with the maternal instinct to be a "stay at home Mom" and provide the story book perfect lifestyle for her and her family. The new goal for countless women today is to HAVE IT ALL. They want to have a college education so that they can claim intellectual equality but in decreasing numbers they do not want to stay in the work force if they can get away with it. This scenario is not possible unless they are able to convince their man that their particular vision of reality is one worth achieving and perpetuating.

Once we accepted that vision as being "normal" we lost the fight and became willing participants in what we have today. If we could have kept women pregnant and at home, we would not be in the situation we are in today.
For better or worse.
Call me a caveman, but it's the truth.

Bango Cheito
02-23-10, 23:55
Only SOME parts of it...

Marriage and monogamy are NOT good for the human race... men OR women... the sooner we get away from that shit the better...

Birth control is the BEST thing that could happen to us.... we do NOT need more kids we can't raise properly...


I profoundly disagree, BC. The world is getting worse, and fast.

Goga Fung
02-25-10, 02:07
Only SOME parts of it...

Marriage and monogamy are NOT good for the human race... men OR women... the sooner we get away from that shit the better...

Birth control is the BEST thing that could happen to us.... we do NOT need more kids we can't raise properly...I do not see any problems with Marriage in places with strong traditions of family values. Whats wrong with having a loving reliable wife, who is taking care of you, cooking, the house, children, etc?

At the same time if you can afford it you can have other women on the side. It can even be culturally acceptable in case you are a good provider for your family.

For example in muslim cultures you can officially(or nonofficially where it is illegal) have several wives as long as you support all of them

So the idea is that if you're a good provider you can have as many women as you can afford while also being married to a single decent woman.

People in those places do not just get married because the other person is "funny", or good looking. They also check on family background, ability of the male to earn money, ability of the woman to be good wife, etc.

The big "marriage" problem exist in western feminized societies where the gender roles are messed up, the laws are ridiculous. So here marriage does not make much sense, mostly troubles. It is really fucked up, if you find out that you're married to an ugly nasty biyotch, but you cannot even cheat on her, since she can easily mess you up financially and morally if she wants to.

And you cannot easily divorse her without wasting years and paying lots of money to lawyers and her.

In other places where you can divorse without much trouble and easily find another woman, marriage is not such a big deal for men.

Yogin
02-25-10, 17:59
Well said, GF.

Look at this drivel written by a feminized AM. http://www.askmen.com/top_10/dating/top-10-reasons-to-get-married.html
Top Ten Reasons For Men to Marry. Bunch of anecdotal wishful thinking.

Gentleman Travel
02-25-10, 19:20
Well said, GF.

Look at this drivel written by a feminized AM. http://www.askmen.com/top_10/dating/top-10-reasons-to-get-married.html
Top Ten Reasons For Men to Marry. Bunch of anecdotal wishful thinking.
I disagree.
Most of the reasons here are pretty solid.

10. Married makes you live longer.
- well documented fact. Assuming you WANT to live longer!
(old joke - it only seems longer, for married men)

9. Marriage increases your earning power.
- I don't buy this exactly as stated. I don't know that it increases your personal earning power, but a marriage as an economic unit is likely to increase your overall wealth (adjusted for children and divorce). However, some expenses, like housing, are likely to be much higher, because single people have much more modest requirements/expectations.

8. Marriage gives you a platform to continue your bloodline.
- my quibble here is with its placement. This should be #1 or #2. Marriage is by far the best model for raising a family, although obviously this is also possible in common-law relationships, divorce and single situations. But looking at all the work and challenges in raising kids, a stable marriage is by far the best model.

7. Marriage prevents you from dying alone.
- works for guys at least. A factor if considering a late-life split up. Obviously many more women end up dying alone because they outlive us.

6. Marriage makes you more attractive.
- their arguement here is that many women find married men attractive. I think what they mean is that many women like the stability and commitment implied by a married man. But this isn't going to help you make out with them - you are already taken! And being a cheater negates any of the aforementioned attractive qualities. Best option - divorced with kids, where the divorce was not your fault. Better still - be a widower (a la Tom Hanks in "Sleepless in Seattle")!

5. Marriage brings financial benefits.
- was true, not so much now that many benefits are equally available to common-law couples, depending on your jurisdiction.

4. Marriage means more sex.
- yes, true for most. Even in the low points of my marriage I was getting more sex than most guys here, who are getting laid mostly when they travel. And now I get it 2 or 3 times a week, 52 weeks a year. A lot less than I want, but a lot more than most single mongers.

3. Marriage means better sex.
- I don't know about this one. I understand their argument about knowing each other's hot spots, but there is also a huge chance of getting into a rut and not trying new things, or even things you used to do when you were younger or newly married. Plus of coures you are not fucking nubile young beauties, but some woman who is almost as old and flawed as you are!

2. Married people are happier.
- probably. There are lots of upsides, but some downers - especially loss of freedom.

1. Marriage makes you a better man.
- this one is pretty dubious and certainly is not the #1 benefit. Their agrument is that your little helpmeet in life will push you to do better and be better. Maybe. But just as likely you are going to have to play it safe in other areas of life (business, sports, recreation, artistic expression) where a single person can please themselves. And of course there are many men who get bored or oppressed by their marriage and fall into a rut.


Overall, the best combination is marriage for the bread and butter issues (including regular sex) and mongering for adventure, excitement and experimental sex!!

Furysys
02-25-10, 21:35
All I can say is that the happiest guys I know (including myself), have never been married, or had kids. Most of the guys who have been married, are no longer married, having been cleaned out by ex-wife, ex-kids, ex-pets, and continue to make payments long after they have ever seen any of them.

I have been trying to get a few of my married buddies to watch some of the winter olympics, and it pretty much comes down to them begging their wives/gfs to allow them the precious time to join me and the single guys in the bar. Who needs that bs? Sure, marriage works, as long as you are willing to be hen-pecked, hog-tied, and effectively declare yourself a permanent ABM for the rest of your life

Helpmann
02-25-10, 21:52
10. Married makes you live longer.I want to see some statistics on the longevity of formerly married men (divorced or widowed).


9. Marriage increases your earning power.And divorce halves it!


8. Marriage gives you a platform to continue your bloodline.You don't have to marry to have kids. Hell, men can be dead and still have kids. I feel sorry for my male married friends who have the "luck to be blessed" with 3+ daughters and NO sons (LOL). You're better off adopting sons.


7. Marriage prevents you from dying alone.Bullshit! You have your bastard/adopted kids and your 20 year-old Brazilian girlfriend.


6. Marriage makes you more attractive.Give me a break!! Women love saps and suckers.


5. Marriage brings financial benefits.Financial benefits to the 20% of men that marry-up. Of course this is before the biatch quits her job and divorces your horny ass.


4. Marriage means more sex.I'm not fucking any 60+ year-old woman, even if she is my wife!!!! It's the quality and not the quantity. Nevertheless, my 70+ year-old pensioner friend splits his year between the DR and Southeast Asia and has been able to partake in both quality and quantity of the 20-year-old girls at $25 a pop.


3. Marriage means better sex.Says who??


2. Married people are happier.Because they don't know any better. Ignorance is bliss.


1. Marriage makes you a better man.Who gives a shit!!!

-Helpmann :)

Gentleman Travel
02-25-10, 22:38
Quote:
10. Married makes you live longer.


I want to see some statistics on the longevity of formerly married men (divorced or widowed).
The claim being made is that MARRIED men live longer.
Divorce tends to lead to deteriorating health in men,
however, this appears to be correctable if they remarry.

According to the RAND Centre for the Study of Aging:
www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB5018/index1.html

Effects of Marital Status on Health

"Analysis of whether marriage directly affects health produces mixed results. Comparisons of currently married and never-married men show that while the former are generally healthier, this difference cannot be attributed simply to the protective effects of marriage. The self-reported health status of men shows that, by itself, becoming married for the first time does not lead to any noticeable benefits. Comparisons of older married and divorced men, however, show that the relative health levels of the latter drop significantly as they age. By the time divorced men reach age 50, they can expect their health to deteriorate much faster than the health of those who are married. For this group of older divorced men, remarriage offers a direct health benefit, bringing their health up to the level of men who have remained married.

"The health benefits obtained by men who stay married or remarry stem from a variety of related factors, including care in times of illness, improved nutrition, and a home atmosphere that reduces stress and stress-related illnesses, encourages healthy behaviors, and discourages unhealthy ones such as smoking and excessive drinking. Influences of this type tend to enhance a man's immediate health status and may often improve his chances for a longer life. "

Quote:
6. Marriage makes you more attractive.

Give me a break!! Women love saps and suckers.

So you are agreeing with the statement?

Quote:
4. Marriage means more sex.

I'm not fucking any 60+ year-old woman, even if she is my wife!!!! It's the quality and not the quantity.

Again, the claim is about the quantity - "MORE SEX" is a quantative comparison. Your point is different.

Helpmann
02-25-10, 23:24
Quote:
10. Married makes you live longer.

The claim being made is that MARRIED men live longer.
Divorce tends to lead to deteriorating health in men,
however, this appears to be correctable if they remarry...The best of luck to you and your wife. Nevertheless, I hope that you live in a "biatch slapping" country, have a pre-nup, and have sons.

BTW, sometimes you have to read between the lines.

ROTFLMAO,
Helpmann :)

DJ FourMoney
02-26-10, 06:40
Marriage is not always bad, terrible, horrible and I still say men are just as much at fault as women are. What I mean is most of these clues about a woman's intentions and personality are always on display, weather you choose to see them or not is the key.

This constant argument over paying for sex(p4p) up front or as part of a payment plan(marriage) is ridiculous. If you marry the right woman, sex is never an issue as GT says, it still 2-3 times a week if not slightly more. I have always maintained that if you plan correctly you can avoid many of the typical problems that crop up in a marriage.

I say eliminate the top things that causes marriages to fail and you shouldn't have any problems.

I didn't have any problems with Nicole (my last ex) I could have married her, I didn't find her sexy enough, I forced her to loose weight. I just wondered if I could find somebody (better looking, thin, sexy) that I could plug into the process with little to no modifications and run with it.

Some incorrect judgments here and there and I remain single, somewhat by choice other by circumstance.

In this market I am punished for not doing what appears to be "the right thing". That would be achieving success that right now is being ripped to apart by this economic downturn. How come the demand from 18-35 is that your a professional career man but for women 35-50 is just have a job and be able to pay your half?

Is that because women see the writing on the wall at 35?

Now to add special sauce to it -

Okay let's say I accept I have to take on:

Women over 30 (respecting the 2-10 year max age difference, I'm 39 currently)

Here's my problem with that:

A majority of those women have at least 1 child from a previous relationship. Experience tells me this is a route I am least comfortable with and I have tried in vain to accept that role only to be rejected by the best looking women (that I attract) and accepted by mediocre women. If I wanted mediocre I would have married Nicole!

Given that most women in Western Culture will not accept more than 2-5 age difference even fewer accept 5-10 years difference.

My choices then become HARD, FEW and EXPENSIVE.

But I basically have NO choice but to look overseas, to spend money but how do I get the best value for my money?

I spent $5,000 two summers ago running around Europe. I had a great time, I could have had a better time if I had more information, had listen to the more of the great advice from this forum. As I stands, the money is gone, yet I spend more nights alone that I would like and only have sex if I pay for it.

Numb nuts like TG would suggest I go find a couple of fat broads to bang and to otherwise when dealt lemons make lemonade.

If I wasn't an enlighten soul, I couldn't argue but I believe that I am and GDI I want to marry a fairly attractive woman, have couple of great kids and move on to the next set of goals, issues, problems in my life. This is something that has dogged me for years. I believe you only compromise on the tiny details and not the bigger issues. This has prevented me from pursuing fat women, women with children (though I fall into that trap every so often) and hopelessly ugly women. I am trying of find the middle ground but my age is really become a factor.

So the choices are -

I say Eastern Europe as many of you may not know there is a problem with skin tone not only in America, but South America as well and its not talked about too often here, but its there. I don't believe I have access to the best looking Colombian/Brazilian women and it goes down hill from there honestly quickly.

While there is Xenophobia in Eastern Europe, its not based on 200 years of society shifting behavior and legacies like it is for The United States.

It has more Nationalist bent to it.

Goga Fung
02-26-10, 22:34
So the choices are -

I say Eastern Europe as many of you may not know there is a problem with skin tone not only in America, but South America as well and its not talked about too often here, but its there. I don't believe I have access to the best looking Colombian/Brazilian women and it goes down hill from there honestly quickly.

While there is Xenophobia in Eastern Europe, its not based on 200 years of society shifting behavior and legacies like it is for The United States.

It has more Nationalist bent to it.DJ,

I guess the choices are not bad. But when are you gonna do that? I've been looking at this discussion for a few years, it seems like you are still there. when are you planning to go back to Europe? BTW, it is not as it used to be 10 years ago. I now go much farther - Central Asia. Europe is kinda fucked up compared to what it used to be, in my opinion.

Robert1110
02-27-10, 07:57
"I'm not fucking any 60+ year-old woman, even if she is my wife! "

Helpman, that is just too funny. Best line I've read in a long time.

I'm still laughing!

Thanks

Robert1110
02-27-10, 08:53
Women over 30 (respecting the 2-10 year max age difference, I'm 39 currently)

I am trying of find the middle ground but my age is really become a factor. Dude, I wish I was 39!

I like you because anyone who was a friend of rob's just HAS to be a (at the very least) a good guy.

I am 53. And my beautiful Ukrainian wife is 26. (here in the midwest I am accustomed to guys in almost any setting looking at her and just asking "are you a model? ").

I cannot go into too much personal detail here but let me just say this. I am trying to set myself up so I can live in ukraine full time. As long as I provide for my wife and am a good husband in the sense of taking care of all the things a husband should take care of, I can basically see whoever I want. And do whoever I want. And none of the women will be over 30 or so. Most are in their early and mid 20's.

Looks are subjective and relative but I stay in shape and am not overweight. If you have a personality and half of a brain. If you can handle women and are confident, this is what women in these other countries are looking for.

I will live like this until the day I die or can no longer function.

If something changes and she tries to forbid my doing basically whatever I want, I'll divorce her if necessary but we will remain friends and most likely business partners. She accepts the way I am.

I do not have a double standard so I do not expect her fidelity to me. She may or may not be interested in anyone else as long as I'm taking care of her. If another woman is taking me away from her in that department I do not blame her if she develops something more than a friendship with one of her countless wannabes.

I think this is something along the lines that BC referred to earlier. Evolving through self actualization, not living a lie. Awareness of others, other cultures and the world in general. I want to visit Columbia and maybe a few other SA countries and reading BC's post remind me to do so after I get situated in Ukraine. I have been to Mexico, Peru and Trinidad but for other reasons.

A week after I graduated from HS, I was on a jet to Holland and spent the summer in Europe. That opened my small midwestern mind onto the rest of the world. One huge problem for most Americans is that most have never left the USA, some have never left the state they live in.

This is one reason these cries of "socialism" and all that other complete BS is so prevalent in our F'ed up political situation. They do not even know what socialism is. All it has to be is "european" so it is automatically "bad" or certainly not as good or "great" as it is in the USA.

How can the average American know? They haven't stepped foot out of the USA so they have no understanding whatsoever of other people, other cultures, other countries, other vastly different religions. Other ways of getting things done. When I travel through germany or holland and see how near perfect so many things are, I am thinking, why can't we do this in america?

Most Americans think we are the center of the universe and the world revolves around us. We think we have better everything and we do not.

Lot at our health care mess. Laughing stock of the rest of the industrialized nations and we think we have the "best". Because we (most of us) do not know any better! Nor cared to look.

America is uniquely F'ed up. But at the same time I agree with TG (believe it or not). I am glad I was born here in the USA, I am glad to be an american and I would not have it any other way. And one reason why is I can easily go to just about any other country in the world and live. LOL

Back to my point. DJ: go to the country of your choice, or check out several. Go the eastern europe if you prefer the women there. Or go to Asia or South America. Stay long enough to see and live like they do and not be the ugly american tourist. Learn the language unless it is near impossible. If I was 39? LOL. Wow. I wish! But I am living like I am 39 and will continue to live like I am 39. You just have to leave the sex prison to do it.

Look at typical american marriages. Rampant infidelity. People living a facade of a life to the point they are believing their own lies and actually believe they are the people they are.pretending-to B. Going to church so everyone things they are living a moral life. Completely forgetting the night before when they were F'ing someone they "shouldn't" have been F'ing. I have a divorced male friend who claims an 8 to 1 ratio of married to single women he is having regularly occurring affairs with. Their husbands have no clue.

Is that any kind of a life to live?

Bango Cheito
02-27-10, 09:46
That's part of the problem... human beings just aren't MEANT to bond together for life. We aren't designed that way... it's blatantly obvious but it's like the Emperor's new clothes.....

The problem with having your stereotypical woman who cooks cleans and cares for the kids is that THAT WOMAN DOESNT EXIST IN REAL LIFE! What happens in actual real life situations is one or all of the following: extreme crazy jealousy, scheming and plotting behind the husband's back... having affairs, neurotic or histrionic behavior. No human being wants to be a slave and will just passively let it happen to them!!! That includes especially the female half of the species.

Besides which any man with half a brain gets bored of the same woman after a while. It could take two weeks or it could take several years, but it's not IF it will happen, it's WHEN... Women have the same thing happen to them, the only difference is they always look for some external justification to rationalize their desire for variety when it's really all about BIOLOGY!

I don't know what the best way to raise kids is... but I do NOT think the "traditional" family is necessarily the best option.... it seems to me to be just as lousy as any other platform.... in my observation the "traditional" family is just as TOXIC an environment for children as any other...

Fuckdapolice
02-28-10, 03:17
Hi guys, interesting points on this thread. Something I've always wondered, which maybe someone from another country could help me with, is there a huge movement and market for "pick up artists" or whateverthehell things in other countries?

Like in america there are just all sorts of books, tv shows, etc, I'm not sure if I'm supposed to post links but stuff like this...
http://www.amazon.com/Game-Penetrating-Secret-Society-Artists/dp/0060554738/ref=sr_1_5/179-4548034-9654124?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1267323312&sr=8-5

I've been to maybe 20 countries, but never for longer than 2 months... can someone tell if their home country has this same thing? Is it the whole world or uniquely American?

Thanks a lot in advance, I really appreciate it.

Australiasucks
02-28-10, 04:04
I find the American female accent to be extremely annoying, they butcher the English language even worse than Aussie women and Aussie women are trash. Kim Kardashian is an American female to the highest degree, even though she has an Arabic Middle Eastern appearance since her father was Armenian she is a typical greedy ***** type American female, her sisters are equally bad. Her father must be a sad soul wherever he is since he died. I thought Paris Hilton was bad but Kardashian is even worse a shameless *****, partying on her father's grave.

Happy Chappy
02-28-10, 06:20
4. Marriage means more sex.
- yes, true for most. Even in the low points of my marriage I was getting more sex than most guys here, who are getting laid mostly when they travel. And now I get it 2 or 3 times a week, 52 weeks a year. A lot less than I want, but a lot more than most single mongers.

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Not sure about this. If prostitution is an option in your country then the financial freedom from being single should enable you to get laid 2 or 3 times a week and some very exciting vacations! More importanly, with a VARIETY OF GOOD LOOKING YOUNG WOMEN.

No expensive wedding, no expensive divorces, no expensive shopping habbits for the wife and need to provide for the stay home full time mom frees up plenty of cash.

If you are lucky enough to have a nice wife who wants sex 2 or 3 times a week well that can be good. But after the marriage has gone 10 plus years and she no doubt has stacked on some weight well are you really going to feel like banging the same woman 2 or 3 times a week?

Not arguing for or against marriage in this post just saying that the single monger over the long haul will enjoy a far better sex life IMHO. Have plenty of married friends who get little to no action, with their wives adding so much weight they are probably happy with this situation.

Jake993
02-28-10, 08:11
I agree with much you say, but it is too much to blame or suggest the women are at fault for playing with a married man. It is the married person's problem to deal with the morality of their situation. If it doesn't bother the married half, then I don't see why the unmarried party should worry (or carry any responsibility). Tiger is a grown man, he can make his own decision about whether to philander or not.

Not to beat a dead horse (topic), but I saw this joke in my inbox and was reminded about this thread. Thought you guys might get a chuckle out of it.

>WHAT TIGER SHOULD HAVE SAID IN THE PRESS CONFERENCE
> To my wife, I'm sorry. I fucked up but I'm not changing so you'll
> either need to put up with this shit or I'll stroke you the check I
> agreed to in the pre-nup....sorry.
>
> To my fans, get over it. Where I stick my dick is none of your
> business. If you care....sorry. I don't need any of you in order to
> make 10 times in one year what you'll make in a career. I promise
> to continue to hit 4 irons from 210 yards to within 10' of the hole
> and drop puts that you couldn't read in a million years. If that's
> not good enough for you, go watch tennis.
>
> To the media. You cocksuckers are the only ones more two-faced than
> I am. Kissing my ass for all those years and then ripping me every
> chance you've had since Thanksgiving. Fuck all ya'll. I'm glad I
> don't have to take the time to sit and answer the same bullshit
> questions over and over again.
>
> To the other golfers. Kiss my cablanasian ass! You motherfuckers
> come out ripping me when I've put more fucking money in your
> pockets than you could count. You think anyone's been paying to see
> Jesper-fucking-Parnavik? Give me a fucking break. I'm almost
> tempted to give up golf just to punish you guys but I think it's
> going to be more fun to practice for the next few weeks and get
> back to making you all my bitches.
>
> That's all I got today folks.....see ya atAugusta!....Oh and
> Bambi, if you're listening I'll meet you at the Ritz in 45 minutes.

Australiasucks
02-28-10, 16:55
tiger is still getting pussy, and he only apologized to be nice to his mother who was seated in the front row during his speech. i think this case shows how completely fucked up and hypocritcal america is towards sex, the sad thing is that my country keeps absorbing bad american trends, and prudiness has increased in australia substantially.

Gentleman Travel
02-28-10, 17:36
4. Marriage means more sex.
- yes, true for most. Even in the low points of my marriage I was getting more sex than most guys here, who are getting laid mostly when they travel. And now I get it 2 or 3 times a week, 52 weeks a year. A lot less than I want, but a lot more than most single mongers.

Not sure about this. If prostitution is an option in your country then the financial freedom from being single should enable you to get laid 2 or 3 times a week and some very exciting vacations! More importanly, with a VARIETY OF GOOD LOOKING YOUNG WOMEN.

No expensive wedding, no expensive divorces, no expensive shopping habbits for the wife and need to provide for the stay home full time mom frees up plenty of cash.

If you are lucky enough to have a nice wife who wants sex 2 or 3 times a week well that can be good. But after the marriage has gone 10 plus years and she no doubt has stacked on some weight well are you really going to feel like banging the same woman 2 or 3 times a week?

Not arguing for or against marriage in this post just saying that the single monger over the long haul will enjoy a far better sex life IMHO. Have plenty of married friends who get little to no action, with their wives adding so much weight they are probably happy with this situation.
Well, if they are not getting any action, they certainly need another solution.
They should start by becoming mongers, which opens your eyes to a world of possibilities,
and makes you realize that you are still a valuable commodity in lots of mating markets.

It changed my outlook and thus my bargaining ability and tactics.
Kicking my wife out of bed one night for being "too tired" too often turned the tide and made her realize that she was replacable if she failed to perform.

But to get to your other point - buying sex a la carte versus buying the cow, sure that is a valid option.
Personally I have never had great success with Canadian/American P4P but maybe if I did it more I would find some gems.
Mostly it is a lot of money for poor performance and prospect of serious hassles - especially in the US.

Another option, which I have dabbled in but not really embraced, is domestic sponsorship. That is to say making a regular arrangement with a non-pro for support in exchange for regular sex. It is surprisingly easy to find a college girl or low-paid worker who is willing to experiment with P4P. Easier still if you can dress it up as something else, like providing her apartment, or sponsoring an overseas student to come to your local U, or nice trips to sunny climes. Unfortunately you can no longer do this by offerng employment because the girl could turn on you at any time and charge you with sexual harrassment.

If I was suddenly single again I would get a house with self-contained apartment and make it available to a financially-challenged young lovely in exchange for frequent visiting rights. The girls would move on after college, or when they found a regular BF and you just restock with fresh flesh. Based on the tentative forays I have made in this field, I think this is quite feasible. Has anyone actually had an on-going sponsorship like this (at home)?

Manizales911
02-28-10, 22:43
Well, if they are not getting any action, they certainly need another solution.

They should start by becoming mongers, which opens your eyes to a world of possibilities, and makes you realize that you are still a valuable commodity in lots of mating markets.

It changed my outlook and thus my bargaining ability and tactics.

Kicking my wife out of bed one night for being "too tired" too often turned the tide and made her realize that she was replacable if she failed to perform.

But to get to your other point. Buying sex a la carte versus buying the cow, sure that is a valid option. Personally I have never had great success with Canadian / American P4P but maybe if I did it more I would find some gems. Mostly it is a lot of money for poor performance and prospect of serious hassles. Especially in the US.

Another option, which I have dabbled in but not really embraced, is domestic sponsorship. That is to say making a regular arrangement with a non-pro for support in exchange for regular sex. It is surprisingly easy to find a college girl or low-paid worker who is willing to experiment with P4P. Easier still if you can dress it up as something else, like providing her apartment, or sponsoring an overseas student to come to your local U, or nice trips to sunny climes. Unfortunately you can no longer do this by offerng employment because the girl could turn on you at any time and charge you with sexual harrassment.

If I was suddenly single again I would get a house with self-contained apartment and make it available to a financially-challenged young lovely in exchange for frequent visiting rights. The girls would move on after college, or when they found a regular BF and you just restock with fresh flesh. Based on the tentative forays I have made in this field, I think this is quite feasible. Has anyone actually had an on-going sponsorship like this (at home)?I have done it, it worked out o. K. But I prefer mongering in South America and the DR to having a young american girl at my becking call, they are just too immature for their age compared to latin american women. If being a sugardaddy is your thing check out seekingarrangement.com

Jake993
03-01-10, 15:54
tiger is still getting pussy, and he only apologized to be nice to his mother who was seated in the front row during his speech. i think this case shows how completely fucked up and hypocritcal america is towards sex, the sad thing is that my country keeps absorbing bad american trends, and prudiness has increased in australia substantially.
aussie - well, i find it difficult to argue with you on that one mate. amongst other things we do seem to have mastered the art of exporting our bullshit uptight prudish values toward sex to the rest of the world. and for that you have my sincerest apologies. it saddens me to know that australia is embracing our hypocritical values. that's one thing you guys do not need.

i am reading a great book at the moment about the early portuguese explorers in brazil and what they found when they arrived. the local natives ran around naked and free in a veritable paradise and along with pillaging their resources (as if that were not bad enough) they imposed the catholic sense of european morality on the natives and fucked their mind up with so much bullshit. seems like america is trying to do the very same thing today.

Australiasucks
03-01-10, 16:03
aussie - well, i find it difficult to argue with you on that one mate. amongst other things we do seem to have mastered the art of exporting our bullshit uptight prudish values toward sex to the rest of the world. and for that you have my sincerest apologies. it saddens me to know that australia is embracing our hypocritical values. that's one thing you guys do not need.

i am reading a great book at the moment about the early portuguese explorers in brazil and what they found when they arrived. the local natives ran around naked and free in a veritable paradise and along with pillaging their resources (as if that were not bad enough) they imposed the catholic sense of european morality on the natives and fucked their mind up with so much bullshit. seems like america is trying to do the very same thing today.

he was only apologizing because he does not want to lose his sponsorship $$$$, he was in danger of losing that, he lost some, but trying to restore his clean image so the sponsorship money will come back. i was watching the speech on the news, and a group of women outside had placards saying "tiger i want to be your mistress". i knew from the moment he became a star that he was getting pussy, any man in his position would do the same. a friend of mine once thought tiger was a homosexual, that is obviously not the case.

his wife did some pornographic work in sweden, well it would qualify as pornography in the us, she was completely nude and her squatting with her vagina in full view.

most english speaking countries have a stick up their ass when it comes to sexuality. in australia, if i bring a camcorder or any recording device to a beach, if a woman even accuses me of recording her, i will be arrested. look at canada, the french province of quebec is home to a very sensual city called montreal but the anglo provinces are very prudish. the uk is very buttoned down compared to continental europe.

Yogin
03-01-10, 18:56
Gentleman: While being a Sugar Daddy does sound like a good idea in theory, in today's litigious world I wouldn't do it. Say after supporting her (i.e. apartment/groceries/use of a car) for two years, she finds a boyfriend and cuts off the sex with you, and you shut off the gravy train. I'd fear a palimony lawsuit. Her American friends/boyfriend would be only too happy to school her and find a lawyer who specializes in such cases.

As for P4P in the US, I gave up on that years ago. Between the overpriced poor quality service and fear of the social/career/legal consequences, it's just not worth it. I only monger in foreign countries, or just find freebies abroad. Easy with no drama, complications, or hidden costs.

Re Tiger: I heard a commentator on the radio (a guy, no surprise) say that he owes an apology to the "women whom he took advantage of". WTF? They're victims? These calculating gold-diggers and attention w***** who knew full well he is married with kids?! Attitudes towards and about AM are a bizarre mixture of old-fashioned chivalry (which I rather like actually) and men-hating/blaming dykeopathic feminism.

Jake993
03-01-10, 21:02
Look at Canada, the French province of Quebec is home to a very sensual city called Montreal but the Anglo provinces are very prudish. The UK is very buttoned down compared to continental Europe. Tell me about it. I grew up in Vancouver and thought it was normal to have a stick up yer ass until I started dating a girl from Montreal. Did I EVER have my eyes opened. Then moved to Rio de Janeiro in the early 90's and realized that even the Quebecois girls were prudes compared to the Brasileiras. It's all relative man.

DJ FourMoney
03-03-10, 13:15
DJ,

I guess the choices are not bad. But when are you gonna do that? I've been looking at this discussion for a few years, it seems like you are still there. when are you planning to go back to Europe? BTW, it is not as it used to be 10 years ago. I now go much farther - Central Asia. Europe is kinda fucked up compared to what it used to be, in my opinion.

Spring 2011.

Europe is not a utopia for sure, got its own set of issues and persistent ethnic problems (see Serbia). Its still in better economic shape than the mighty US of A save for Spain, Greece and Portugal that might drag down the EU but I doubt it.

The point is that Western European still treat me best when compared directly to American Women. Eastern Europe affords an increase in age difference where my cut off moves down from 29 to about 24 and yes 5 years makes a difference. Most Slavic women in their mid 20's are unmarried and childless, all positives.

Australiasucks
03-03-10, 15:49
Spring 2011.

Europe is not a utopia for sure, got its own set of issues and persistent ethnic problems (see Serbia). Its still in better economic shape than the mighty US of A save for Spain, Greece and Portugal that might drag down the EU but I doubt it.

The point is that Western European still treat me best when compared directly to American Women. Eastern Europe affords an increase in age difference where my cut off moves down from 29 to about 24 and yes 5 years makes a difference. Most Slavic women in their mid 20's are unmarried and childless, all positives.

American women are easily the most fucked up women on Earth, Austalians, British, and Canadian Anglos come close. I think the only saving grace for Australia is the large Asian influx and a good number of European migrants. Europe might not be what it was many years ago but its still better than the English speaking world.

The US economy is totally fucked right now and compared to past economic slowdowns, other developed nations are suffering less. Australia's official unemployment is 5 percent not the near 10 percent America is suffering, and also when you lose a job in Australia the public welfare people give you money for a much longer period of time than in the US where you need to pick up a paper cup and start begging. The more developed EU countries have good social welfare systems so that unemployed will survive, because of the financial crisis in the US, crime has risen sharply. I am sure there are plenty of honest Americans who just want to make a living and survive but they are suffering for the crimes committed by their elites.

I do not think all American women are bad its mostly the more affluent ones that are evil. I went to the US last year and visibly pregnant girl was begging for change, I was in complete shock to see this in what is supposed to be the world's most affluent country.

Robert1110
03-03-10, 19:55
American women are easily the most fucked up women on Earth, Austalians, British, and Canadian Anglos come close. I think the only saving grace for Australia is the large Asian influx and a good number of European migrants. Europe might not be what it was many years ago but its still better than the English speaking world.

The US economy is totally fucked right now and compared to past economic slowdowns, other developed nations are suffering less. Australia's official unemployment is 5 percent not the near 10 percent America is suffering, and also when you lose a job in Australia the public welfare people give you money for a much longer period of time than in the US where you need to pick up a paper cup and start begging. The more developed EU countries have good social welfare systems so that unemployed will survive, because of the financial crisis in the US, crime has risen sharply. I am sure there are plenty of honest Americans who just want to make a living and survive but they are suffering for the crimes committed by their elites.

I do not think all American women are bad its mostly the more affluent ones that are evil. I went to the US last year and visibly pregnant girl was begging for change, I was in complete shock to see this in what is supposed to be the world's most affluent country.The USA is a JOKE. It is a failing experiment. The elites are destroying us from within.

And, yes, american women of all classes are the WORST the industrialized nations have to offer.

DJ FourMoney
03-03-10, 20:43
American women are easily the most fucked up women on Earth, Austalians, British, and Canadian Anglos come close. I think the only saving grace for Australia is the large Asian influx and a good number of European migrants. Europe might not be what it was many years ago but its still better than the English speaking world.

The US economy is totally fucked right now and compared to past economic slowdowns, other developed nations are suffering less. Australia's official unemployment is 5 percent not the near 10 percent America is suffering, and also when you lose a job in Australia the public welfare people give you money for a much longer period of time than in the US where you need to pick up a paper cup and start begging. The more developed EU countries have good social welfare systems so that unemployed will survive, because of the financial crisis in the US, crime has risen sharply. I am sure there are plenty of honest Americans who just want to make a living and survive but they are suffering for the crimes committed by their elites.

I do not think all American women are bad its mostly the more affluent ones that are evil. I went to the US last year and visibly pregnant girl was begging for change, I was in complete shock to see this in what is supposed to be the world's most affluent country.

Oh don't get me started this is not the Politics forum...

Social Welfare is only a hot button with the affluent and their guard dogs the Conservative minded workers who don't know any better and could easily find themselves out of a job and on public assistance.

Nobody ever tells these morons that the national savings rate is near ZERO for the last decade or so.

Enough about that though...

I just basically resent the fact that most Western Women only want to date men that can either afford them to drop career goals or allow them not to work at all and stay home. With so many women that loathe cooking and taking care of their man, why stiff through the bs to get to somebody that might do what traditionally a wife has done in Western Culture.

The only thing that has changed is that work hours have become flexible so demands and responsibilities can be shared by both. So I believe the way to secure a relationship is shared responsibility. But it has to start with a person WILLING to buy into that roll of shared responsibility hook-line and sinker.

With divorce rates over 50% and seemingly a population of Single Mothers and Divorcee' that have learned the wrong lessons from these previously shaming tactics/lifestyle decisions figured its JUST FINE AND DANDY to be in these situations and that YOU the men of the United States must adjust to this new reality.

WTF?

We have started down a path that is all too interesting in America. Because of the Riech Wing's insistence on a permanent servitude of Brown immigrants we have ushered in through this the savior of this country at the expense of (more than likely a good thing long term) of the dominance of the Caucasian population (in numbers). By 2040 it is expected that Latinos will out number Caucasians in America (currently 56% of the population is Caucasian). Unlike most of Europe that suffering with low birth rates because they started this trend of waiting later and later in life to get married and have children, so many are deciding by age 40 its too late to have a family if they haven't found a partner.

Well I haven't given up hope, but time is running out and its time to step it up another notch. I'm a nice guy I shouldn't be punished for deciding to be filthy rich was not for me. I don't play the lottery, I don't go to Las Vegas to gamble, sure I would like to make more money but not at the expense of my free time, nor do I like the feeling of running in place (stagnant wages).

It would be much cheaper initially bed some Single Mother someplace, talk softly into her ears, tell her all kinds of stuff and increase my responsibility two fold overnight. I'm not comfortable with that, again we come back to Shared Responsibility theme I'm on. Most Single Mothers are struggling (which is funny going back to your Social Welfare point) in other countries do a much better job with extended PAID maternity leave and better sex education, you have fewer Single Mothers overall, but at least they aren't some struggling mess like women here in America and the advocates for "Cowboy Capitalism" only care about the fetus...

Trust me if I can keep this adventure under $5,000 I'll be grinning from ear to ear.

Mackin
03-03-10, 21:19
I opened this forum expecting to read something different than what was there. talking about how they have a hard time because of the economy and single mothers with there children being draged around.
Lets talk about how they look. Here in the U.S. where I live sweat pants are latest style. Of course something written on their ass like juicy or tasty just adds to the intrigue. There ass is usually wider that 2 axe handles. A muffin top is a must if you observe from behind. If you are fortunite enough to look them in the face you see a stomach that is sticking out farther than their tits. Their hair looks like the rats just left or at the best it is wet and yet uncombed. No make up or lipstick as you should love them for who they are. They are in their fuck me shoes which are really dark grey tennis shoes that look like they should be washed soon. Maybe they are afraid because they might fall apart if they do wash them. I shouldn't say all the makeup is missing . Sometimes they glob a red spot on their cheeks to add color to the saltine cracker appearance. Over weight is assumed
Men are visual creatures and of course this really get the juices flowing. I realize this might be a local thing but it seems to me in my travels that is fairly common. Maybe the southern states are better as I left there years ago. But I doubt it.
So my opinion of american woman is leave them alone. I won't talk about attitude becuse that is a different subject. Just leave it that visually they look like s***.

Westy
03-04-10, 00:41
Mackin, there still are some attractive women in North America, but they are few and far between. And they know it, and they are very much on the defensive about it.

I'm thinking of my last trip to Brazil, a couple of years ago (dammit!) I spent a couple of weeks with my niece and her family near Curitiba, and despite that putting me in the "no-mongering zone," I enjoyed the view of so many fine-looking meninas throughout the city. Those of you who have been there know how a brasileira walks "like a samba."

Then I flew home, and arrived in Miami at 5 AM. After clearing Customs, I headed up to the concourse, got something closer to "a real breakfast," and settled in to wait for my connection. And watched the AWs walk by - striding as though they relished the feeling of the ground quaking beneath their feet. Even the attractive ones could have been carrying signs: "Look at me wrong and I'll *****-slap you while I'm yelling for a cop!"

Here's your 'equality,' female persons, and a rubber banana you can use to keep yourself satisfied. I would much rather look for love in a land where the women are women and enjoy it that way.

Yogin
03-04-10, 08:17
that's exactly what i feel and think upon arriving home from east asia, south america, eastern europe, etc. average girls in these countries would be considered total knockouts in the us, yet for the most part they are without the toxic attitudes so suffocatingly prevalent in aw. that was an all-too-accurate scene you describe: taking pride in making the earth shake, or if on the rare occasion they are half-way attractive they are ready to cry [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)/sexual harassment/some-other-bogus-"sex-crime" in response to the faintest smile or innocuous greeting.

Mike12
03-04-10, 10:54
Mackin, there still are some attractive women in North America, but they are few and far between. And they know it, and they are very much on the defensive about it.

I'm thinking of my last trip to Brazil, a couple of years ago (dammit!) I spent a couple of weeks with my niece and her family near Curitiba, and despite that putting me in the "no-mongering zone," I enjoyed the view of so many fine-looking meninas throughout the city. Those of you who have been there know how a brasileira walks "like a samba."

Then I flew home, and arrived in Miami at 5 AM. After clearing Customs, I headed up to the concourse, got something closer to "a real breakfast," and settled in to wait for my connection. And watched the AWs walk by - striding as though they relished the feeling of the ground quaking beneath their feet. Even the attractive ones could have been carrying signs: "Look at me wrong and I'll *****-slap you while I'm yelling for a cop!"

Here's your 'equality,' female persons, and a rubber banana you can use to keep yourself satisfied. I would much rather look for love in a land where the women are women and enjoy it that way.


I was walking down the street the other day in Manhattan and had the luxury of a Fran Drescher voice type woman yell "pervert" right in my direction. Everybody looked, after all this is NYC mid-afternoon. An English looking young guy stops and seemed not at all flustered and yells back "don't flatter yourself" at which she said "You turned your Head." Now this woman was at a news stand, had a hat on, frumpy outfit, and appeared totally sexless.

I'm still wondering what it was about, probably a big bunch of nothing with the campaign here against street harassers towards woman. Every guy now has a bullseye on his back. I know another dude that got accused of being a street harasser after a woman from his morning job walked through his second jobs building, he then acknowledged her where she then snarled something about him harassing her.

Goga Fung
03-04-10, 11:55
Then I flew home, and arrived in Miami at 5 AM. After clearing Customs, I headed up to the concourse, got something closer to "a real breakfast, " and settled in to wait for my connection. And watched the AWs walk by. Striding as though they relished the feeling of the ground quaking beneath their feet. Even the attractive ones could have been carrying signs: "Look at me wrong and I'll *****-slap you while I'm yelling for a cop! "Actually I believe Miami is not that bad compared to many other USA places. There are still good looking women such as latinas and eastern europeans in Florida.

I have harrassed AW several times, they never called the cops, although few times they got pissed off and gave nasty looks.

Clandestine782
03-04-10, 12:12
spring 2011.

europe is not a utopia for sure, got its own set of issues and persistent ethnic problems (see serbia). its still in better economic shape than the mighty us of a save for spain, greece and portugal that might drag down the eu but i doubt it.

the point is that western european still treat me best when compared directly to american women. eastern europe affords an increase in age difference where my cut off moves down from 29 to about 24 and yes 5 years makes a difference. most slavic women in their mid 20's are unmarried and childless, all positives.
what do you read? the usa compared to europe? you might want to start doing some looking into oecd per capita statistics. (as in, something that you could use to quantify your argument.) the thing is: financial crises are always very messy and go on for a long time. i am sure that there was at least one person who knew that it was not a good idea to let fdic create the moral hazard situation it did-- but they were not listened to until the collapse actually occurred. there are probably level headed people here in china suggesting that any number of unsustainable chinese policies should be changed (currency pegs, for one, are really hard to maintain and ultimately all fail-- the use of banking funds to finance state projects a la japan is another thing that is really hard to clean up when it busts).

but again, if you read some things like the wall street journal or the economist (or even the insufferable, left-wing new york times: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/15/opinion/15krugman.html), or msn money (http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/investing/contrarianchronicles/us-will-suffer-its-own-greek-crisis.aspx) you can see that the mess in spain and greece is actually even worse than the worst mess in the united states (california and michigan).

why does everyone in america/ australia have something to say without reading even so much as a single article from usa today (=written so that an 8 or 9 year old could pick it up and read it)? i admit, the msn is getting a bit complicated. someone might need to be 12 years old to read that.

sorry, but everywhere around the world, the wealthiest men will take the largest number of young, attractive women. and i suspect you will find that to be the same in eastern europe as in the states. if, in the realm of the "what-if?" some man says to a woman "i live at home and am 40," i don't think that man (whoever he is) will be at the top of her preference ranking list. (i had a cousin that married a korean wife and made the mistake of bringing her to his mother's house to live and the marriage was finished within 2 months as a result thereof). it's pretty safe to say that men who are older and live with their mother are not at the top of any woman's list of choices. look here in china. there are so many men from taiwan and hong kong who have second wives here (because they can afford them). and even the ugliest woman in china could have her pick of men (sex imbalance). but i have seen more than once a woman who chooses to be a side dish to a man who is already married with a child rather than just get some average local working square (to whom she could dictate the terms of the relationship, but not have as much money). it works that way all around the world.

what else? the conservatives just may have a point. this mess that greece got into was someone trying to buy votes from someone with someone else's tax money. the us is trying to worrying about paying for everyone's health care, but with whose money? is it possible that after the debt is monetized (which happens all the time when governments take on obligations they can't afford), working people will actually be worse off? (if you are wealthy, you can afford to diversify or put your money into gold certificates and ride those through long periods of inflation.)

what else? you talked about the us savings rate. we could have a really high savings rate like russia and japan-- and for the same reason (economic stagnation). when chinese people save money (and they do save a lot of it), then it shows up as purchases of us t-bills. if the us saved more than it invested, then were would the excess go? african t bills? venezuelan t bills? venezuelan bolivars?

but honestly: there are so many sour grapes here. if you were a guy that was inherently attractive to women, you would be that way *anywhere* and rather than worry about women that don't want you (or why) you would have your face pressed into vagina. there are how many american men in the country? do you really mean to tell me that *that* few are getting vagina? come on.......

Clandestine782
03-04-10, 12:23
The USA is a JOKE. It is a failing experiment. The elites are destroying us from within.

And, yes, american women of all classes are the WORST the industrialized nations have to offer.Would you like to live in someplace different? Venezuela? Zimbabwe? South Africa? Haiti? The Chinese just might have the best idea (one of the very few that they've had in the last 23 centuries since the first emperor): It *just might* be the best idea to not let the citizens vote. That way, the government can go about the business of getting things done without having to try to make a case to people who don't really have an idea of how things work or why (and who don't want to find out why). The Politburo here does things in a very interesting (and possibly superior) way: They just go about the business of doing things with minimal discussion. Those guys are the elites....and they are getting things done as a result of not having to talk/ rationalize/ explain to the hoi polloi.

Australiasucks
03-04-10, 17:16
The USA is a JOKE. It is a failing experiment. The elites are destroying us from within.

And, yes, american women of all classes are the WORST the industrialized nations have to offer.

I already know that as bad as Australia is, when I see America, I become more thankful for being an Aussie. Since I live in a naturally warm country, heating bills are not as big of an issue. I heard the winter there is freezing. So much for global warming.

The US is shit, I agree, I merely had some pity for a pregnant black woman who was begging for change on the street, some people say Australia is bad to its Aboriginals but its obvious even under an Obama America that racism and class are still an issue.

It is true that in virtually every country the "best" women go to those with money but outside the English speaking nations this is not exactly true. Ever been to Eastern Europe? South America?? Asia?? Plenty of beautiful women to go around and you even see jobless drunks with some quite exquisite women.

P4P is very much a no no in America, huge issues with law enforcement, criminals, and a very overpriced service.

Capt Ajax
03-04-10, 22:14
Yep, things are so damn bad in America, I can't think of a single good reason for owning a Dick. So I'm now auctioning off my dick to the highest bidder. It has been well looked after, not much mileage and it's looking for a nice warm Internationally sourced pussy to hang out for the rest of it's years.


I already know that as bad as Australia is, when I see America, I become more thankful for being an Aussie. Since I live in a naturally warm country, heating bills are not as big of an issue. I heard the winter there is freezing. So much for global warming.

The US is shit, I agree, I merely had some pity for a pregnant black woman who was begging for change on the street, some people say Australia is bad to its Aboriginals but its obvious even under an Obama America that racism and class are still an issue.

It is true that in virtually every country the "best" women go to those with money but outside the English speaking nations this is not exactly true. Ever been to Eastern Europe? South America?? Asia?? Plenty of beautiful women to go around and you even see jobless drunks with some quite exquisite women.

P4P is very much a no no in America, huge issues with law enforcement, criminals, and a very overpriced service.

Westy
03-05-10, 15:00
Yep, things are so damn bad in America, I can't think of a single good reason for owning a Dick. So I'm now auctioning off my dick to the highest bidder.On EBay, opening bid $0.02? (As in "putting in your two cents' worth"?)

Just kidding.

My heartfelt condolences to your unemployed dependents.

DJ FourMoney
03-05-10, 20:55
what do you read? the usa compared to europe? you might want to start doing some looking into oecd per capita statistics. (as in, something that you could use to quantify your argument.) the thing is: financial crises are always very messy and go on for a long time. i am sure that there was at least one person who knew that it was not a good idea to let fdic create the moral hazard situation it did-- but they were not listened to until the collapse actually occurred. there are probably level headed people here in china suggesting that any number of unsustainable chinese policies should be changed (currency pegs, for one, are really hard to maintain and ultimately all fail-- the use of banking funds to finance state projects a la japan is another thing that is really hard to clean up when it busts).

but again, if you read some things like the wall street journal or the economist (or even the insufferable, left-wing new york times: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/15/opinion/15krugman.html), or msn money (http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/investing/contrarianchronicles/us-will-suffer-its-own-greek-crisis.aspx) you can see that the mess in spain and greece is actually even worse than the worst mess in the united states (california and michigan).

why does everyone in america/ australia have something to say without reading even so much as a single article from usa today (=written so that an 8 or 9 year old could pick it up and read it)? i admit, the msn is getting a bit complicated. someone might need to be 12 years old to read that.

sorry, but everywhere around the world, the wealthiest men will take the largest number of young, attractive women. and i suspect you will find that to be the same in eastern europe as in the states. if, in the realm of the "what-if?" some man says to a woman "i live at home and am 40," i don't think that man (whoever he is) will be at the top of her preference ranking list. (i had a cousin that married a korean wife and made the mistake of bringing her to his mother's house to live and the marriage was finished within 2 months as a result thereof). it's pretty safe to say that men who are older and live with their mother are not at the top of any woman's list of choices. look here in china. there are so many men from taiwan and hong kong who have second wives here (because they can afford them). and even the ugliest woman in china could have her pick of men (sex imbalance). but i have seen more than once a woman who chooses to be a side dish to a man who is already married with a child rather than just get some average local working square (to whom she could dictate the terms of the relationship, but not have as much money). it works that way all around the world.

what else? the conservatives just may have a point. this mess that greece got into was someone trying to buy votes from someone with someone else's tax money. the us is trying to worrying about paying for everyone's health care, but with whose money? is it possible that after the debt is monetized (which happens all the time when governments take on obligations they can't afford), working people will actually be worse off? (if you are wealthy, you can afford to diversify or put your money into gold certificates and ride those through long periods of inflation.)

what else? you talked about the us savings rate. we could have a really high savings rate like russia and japan-- and for the same reason (economic stagnation). when chinese people save money (and they do save a lot of it), then it shows up as purchases of us t-bills. if the us saved more than it invested, then were would the excess go? african t bills? venezuelan t bills? venezuelan bolivars?

but honestly: there are so many sour grapes here. if you were a guy that was inherently attractive to women, you would be that way *anywhere* and rather than worry about women that don't want you (or why) you would have your face pressed into vagina. there are how many american men in the country? do you really mean to tell me that *that* few are getting vagina? come on.......

clan, things are changing around here, but with that said i understand what your saying.

i will not be bringing a woman home to my parents house. local women? bah, not worth it.

DJ FourMoney
03-05-10, 20:56
Would you like to live in someplace different? Venezuela? Zimbabwe? South Africa? Haiti? The Chinese just might have the best idea (one of the very few that they've had in the last 23 centuries since the first emperor): It *just might* be the best idea to not let the citizens vote. That way, the government can go about the business of getting things done without having to try to make a case to people who don't really have an idea of how things work or why (and who don't want to find out why). The Politburo here does things in a very interesting (and possibly superior) way: They just go about the business of doing things with minimal discussion. Those guys are the elites....and they are getting things done as a result of not having to talk/ rationalize/ explain to the hoi polloi.

Denmark, marry a Dane, problem solved :)

Nyc Expat
03-05-10, 23:32
Denmark, marry a Dane, problem solved :)

No way. Denmark and mostly all of Europe is closed to non EEC citizens. You're better off in Asia, L. or S. America.

DJ FourMoney
03-06-10, 03:59
No way. Denmark and mostly all of Europe is closed to non EEC citizens. You're better off in Asia, L. or S. America.

I doubt Danes are sitting there in parliament and saying "Don't let any Americans in under any circumstances".

They do make it hard to immigrate into the EU, however they don't have active policy to prevent intercultural marriages and they have correctly ascertain that the "problem" with America is with their political polices, not their people as a whole. Where have you found where Americans are punished and not allowed to immigrate?

I'm having difficulty finding what the allure of Asia is honestly. Singapore where English is widely spoken is one of the most expensive places to live. Hong Kong where English is widely spoken is one of the most expensive places to live. I hope your not talking about Thailand or The Philippines?

South America is on the back burner, maybe it should be on the front?

Its cheaper, it cost less, plane ride is shorter. The women can be just as hot if not hotter (ass and titties Wee!), maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree?

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Nyc Expat
03-06-10, 16:50
I know Denmark. Denmark is the most expensive country to buy a car. 160% excise tax. A 20K vehicle in the U.S. costs 60K there. The local saying is buy one, pay for three. I bought 7 and paid for 21. Public transportation is excellent and affordable. Taxis are expensive. Bicycles are the major form of transport for the general public. Sales tax on everything is 25% including food. Medication is very expensive. Mimimum wage is $16 an hr. A work week is about 35 hr. Maternity leave for her is 6 mo. For him 3 mo. 6 weeks vacation with pay is mandatory if you find a job. Banks steal your money unless you deposit 5 figures in $$$.

An apartment in København in a building built just before the 1900's will cost you about $150K. A modern, recently built apt. about $300K and up. The dollar vs. the krone exchange rate is at 1985 levels. A disaster if you're transfering dollar income. Your total worth, all assets are taxable and must be reported annually to tax office. Both in country and accounts abroad.

2 star hotels are very expensive. A nice restaurant visit with a GF or wife will cost you minimum $80-150 before beverage choice. Thai food and pizza is still cheap.

If you find a Danish wife she will have to prove to the authorities she can support you. You will have to learn Danish. You will not like the tax system but medical care is free and excellent. Their system is better than the U.S.

In the winter the sun rises 8:30 AM and sets 3:30 PM. It can be dark for 2 weeks without sunshine. Suicides are high in Scandinavia during winter.

The summers are the best. Sun rises 4:30 AM and sets 10 PM but you can see the sunset colors until around 11:30 PM. You can sit outdoors and read until 11 PM. The short night sky lights up again around 2 AM. First time visitors may wake up from sleep and think its 8 AM but it's only 4 AM. Birds start their morning singing around 2 AM.

Danish girls/women are beautiful and fit but not as hot as latinas/brasileiras. They are independent, Americanized (negative) yet uninhibited (positive). They'll sunbath topless on the beach or park and bicycle in a very short skirt without panties during the 2 weeks of hot summer. You'll be expected to do your share in everything in your daily life with her.

If you get your residency/work permit Denmark is probably the best European country for an American outside of the U.S.A. They even have a July 4th celebration in the western part of the country. I liked DK but a brasiliera is better for an American man.

Australiasucks
03-07-10, 00:17
No way. Denmark and mostly all of Europe is closed to non EEC citizens. You're better off in Asia, L. or S. America.


Australia as bad as I complain about it is 100 times better than most of Europe, many Europeans come to Australia to do shit work, including the Scandinavians. I have met many Europeans in Sydney and they act like they arrived in heaven when they come here. Yes, EU immigration is very closed but there is a sizable Muslim population there. Germany, France, and Britain, all have large Middle Eastern populations.

Denmark, the best country outside of the USA??!! LOL. I think in Europe, Switzerland and Austria would rank higher. Germany as well, and German women are very uninhibited, probably not as negative as Scandinavians but have their moments.
However really, the best country for work and living is Australia.

Two weeks without the the sun?? Wow. Australia isn't so bad and I guess I am spoiled.

ThatGuy865
03-07-10, 03:11
Australia as bad as I complain about it is 100 times better than most of Europe, many Europeans come to Australia to do shit work, including the Scandinavians. I have met many Europeans in Sydney and they act like they arrived in heaven when they come here. Yes, EU immigration is very closed but there is a sizable Muslim population there. Germany, France, and Britain, all have large Middle Eastern populations.I know what you mean. Because people come to America from EVERY country in the World, and start doing shit work and call it HEAVEN. But then maybe it is. At least 297 million out 300 million think so.

Bango Cheito
03-07-10, 06:15
Try learning Spanish. Most Spanish speakers HATE it in the US and would rather be back in their own country. I don't blame them. I prefer it here in Colombia: I'd NEVER move back to the US. I'm much happier here.



I know what you mean. Because people come to America from EVERY country in the World, and start doing shit work and call it HEAVEN. But then maybe it is. At least 297 million out 300 million think so.

DJ FourMoney
03-07-10, 06:43
I know Denmark. Denmark is the most expensive country to buy a car. 160% excise tax. A 20K vehicle in the U.S. costs 60K there. The local saying is buy one, pay for three. I bought 7 and paid for 21. Public transportation is excellent and affordable. Taxis are expensive. Bicycles are the major form of transport for the general public. Sales tax on everything is 25% including food. Medication is very expensive. Mimimum wage is $16 an hr. A work week is about 35 hr. Maturity leave for her is 6 mo. For him 3 mo. 6 weeks vacation with pay is mandatory if you find a job. Banks steal your money unless you deposit 5 figures in $$$.

An apartment in København in a building built just before the 1900's will cost you about $150K. A modern, recently built apt. about $300K and up. The dollar vs. the krone exchange rate is at 1985 levels. A disaster if you're transfering dollar income. Your total worth, all assets are taxable and must be reported annually to tax office. Both in country and accounts abroad.

2 star hotels are very expensive. A nice restaurant visit with a GF or wife will cost you minimum $80-150 before beverage choice. Thai food and pizza is still cheap.

If you find a Danish wife she will have to prove to the authorities she can support you. You will have to learn Danish. You will not like the tax system but medical care is free and excellent. Their system is better than the U.S.

In the winter the sun rises 8:30 AM and sets 3:30 PM. It can be dark for 2 weeks without sunshine. Suicides are high in Scandinavia during winter.

The summers are the best. Sun rises 4:30 AM and sets 10 PM but you can see the sunset colors until around 11:30 PM. You can sit outdoors and read until 11 PM. The short night sky lights up again around 2 AM. First time visitors may wake up from sleep and think its 8 AM but it's only 4 AM. Birds start their morning singing around 2 AM.

Danish girls/women are beautiful and fit but not as hot as latinas/brasileiras. They are independent, Americanized (negative) yet uninhibited (positive). They'll sunbath topless on the beach or park and bicycle in a very short skirt without panties during the 2 weeks of hot summer. You'll be expected to do your share in everything in your daily life with her.

If you get your residency/work permit Denmark is probably the best European country for an American outside of the U.S.A. They even have a July 4th celebration in the western part of the country. I liked DK but a brasiliera is better for an American man.

I pretty much knew that... I didn't know about 4th of July celebrated in the Western part of the country, though thanks.

Goga Fung
03-07-10, 08:24
I know what you mean. Because people come to America from EVERY country in the World, and start doing shit work and call it HEAVEN. But then maybe it is. At least 297 million out 300 million think so.How do you know what everybody thinks? People come to america mostly because of the belief and Hollywood propaganda they can earn money and the power of the dollar. If dollar collapses (I hope not) nobody will give a shit about America. Also since so many "shitty" jobs available, many losers come to america since they can't make it at home. Also ugly girls who can't compete at home feel in america much better.

Nyc Expat
03-07-10, 15:55
Denmark, the best country outside of the USA??!! LOL. I think in Europe, Switzerland and Austria would rank higher. Germany as well, and German women are very uninhibited, probably not as negative as Scandinavians but have their moments. Two weeks without the the sun?? Wow. Australia isn't so bad and I guess I am spoiled.

Switzerland and Austria? LOL. No way. Trust me, I know after living in Europe half my life. Visited almost every Euroland. Austria has a strong neo-nazi, anti-American movement. The Swiss get the gold for Euro snobbery and ultra-conservatism. Germany and France have enormous muslim problems as well as mostly all Eurolands except Irland. This problem also exists in Denmark and Sweden.

You have no language barrier in GB. Denmark and Netherlands are still pro-American countries. Danes love to speak English, helpful towards tourists and almost every Dane has New York or Florida on their vacation bucket list. The Scandinavian countries have original language broadcast tv with subtitles as opposed to other Euro countries dubbing. I know many Americans happily living and successful in Denmark with their beautiful Danish wives.

Denmark has a very stable economy currently with a low unemployment rate. The krone is strong against the dollar, sterling, A$ and stable against the Euro. If you're willing to learn another language, Denmark or Netherlands is without a doubt your best choice in Europe. You'll easily fit in and will be welcomed. You will not be in Germany, France or Austria.

If you're retirement age, Portugal or Spain are possibilities as most north Europeans want to retire there if they can afford the life style. Spain's coastal communities are equivalent to South Florida except Spain is prettier and cost of living is less except housing is terribly expensive. Ah, latina Spanish women there, yes.

ThatGuy865
03-07-10, 17:46
Try learning Spanish. Most Spanish speakers HATE it in the US and would rather be back in their own country. I don't blame them. I prefer it here in Colombia: I'd NEVER move back to the US. I'm much happier here.First off you shouldn't assume you know me. Second I've been to Columbia to. Medllin. All over El centro, Mayorista, Poblado. I speak enough spanish to get by. And know its not all that peaches and cream. Safety is still a MAJOR big time issue.

I guess those Thousands of mexicans and other latinos who marched in ever city in America. Just so we didn't pass laws to get rid of only the illegal ones must love it in America. You don't do that in a country you want to leave.

Australiasucks
03-07-10, 22:06
I know what you mean. Because people come to America from EVERY country in the World, and start doing shit work and call it HEAVEN. But then maybe it is. At least 297 million out 300 million think so.


The big difference between the current waves of immigration in the US and in Australia, is that the in the US, there is much greater waves of immigration from the third world, to people from the third world being at the bottom of the US socioeconomic ladder is actually a good thing. Even the less affluent in America live pretty well. In Australia, most immigrants come from developed countries, UK, Germany, Japan, etc, mostly people who come from well off countries and were well off before they came to Australia but Australia does get a fair number from the third world. Our immigration differs from the US in that everyone who wants to live in Australia has to speak English, that would get a lot of leftists in America upset. There are many Americans I know who resent the fact that many newcomers in America do not integrate and learn the ways of the majority and it does not surprise me that you minutemen or that other guy in Arizona trying to deport all the illegals he can find.

European countries also expect their immigrants to learn their language and ways, and are very intolerant when someone breaks their rules. Australia is largely zero tolerance on illegal immigration, Canada which is seen as the "nicer" version of America is also strict.

I also completely think this nonsense talk of America collapsing is bullshit. America will remain a major world power and economic force for a very long time even if the US will no longer be number one. I am typing this on an American designed PC. The real issue is that the US in a globalized world will not be the only engine of the world economy, it might take a while for Americans to get used to this after over two centuries of rapid growth and prestige.

If Spanish speakers hate America so much, why do they keep jumping over the border illegally? They like it better at home? Then why bother going to the US? The US standard of living is still pretty high and those of you who have seen how most of the world really lives would realize it quickly.

I have never been to Denmark myself, and honestly Germany and Austria have changed a lot over the decades. Nazis? LOL. I heard they often arrest Nazis from English speaking nations. Most Germans and Austrians reminded me more of Bruno than of Adolf.

Australia is an amazing country if you ever have the good fortune of seeing it, blessed with plenty of space, food, and resources, and a fairly peaceful and tolerant society, its always ranked among the best places in the world. And Australia is very immigrant friendly. I think an American would have a much easier time fitting into Australia than any other country. And despite my gripes of Aussie women, many Yanks seem to like them.

Asia is not a good place for a Westerner, in many ways, they are so different, and simply opening your mouth can get you thrown in prison. Latin America has serious human rights issues, look up any country there, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, much of their histories, these countries were ruled by dictators. A small number of Argentines and Brazilians came to Australia to flee trouble in their homelands many years ago, many still come to Oz because of our stability and relative ease of life. I bet that is the same reason people go to the US and Canada.

Opebo
03-07-10, 22:56
...Even the less affluent in America live pretty well.

Just going to have to object to that myth there.

Jon32
03-07-10, 23:35
Denmark, the best country outside of the USA??!! LOL. I think in Europe, Switzerland and Austria would rank higher. Germany as well, and German women are very uninhibited, probably not as negative as Scandinavians but have their moments.
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Germany is by far the worst country in all of western europe.

Calculator
03-08-10, 01:04
Australiasucks:

You mentioned that a fair number of immigrants from 3rd world countries also flock into there. I thought that in order to immigrate into Australia, one had to be fairly well off in terms of net worth (close to a million?) so as not to put a strain on the government to support foreigners.

Can you clarify a little? My brother has told me this and he has visited at least 10-12 times since the early 90's.

Nyc Expat
03-08-10, 01:51
Sao Paulo has the largest Japanese population outside of the homeland. Thousands upon thousands of Germans and Italians settled in South Brazil while many Scandinavians immigranted to Argentina. Those half and half Brazilian women of Euro or Japanese descent are true beauties. Just look at their famous models with Euro bloodlines.

Since I lived in Denmark half my life I feel qualified and informed concerning my statements earlier. And yes, third world immigrants are flooding Western Europe and they come with demands f. ex. hal-al food for their children in public schools, segregated swimming sessions for muslim women only, muslim female head dress for girls in public schools. I can continue if necessary.

There is one point that needs to be stated. In America, those 3rd. world citizens have learned, to be accepted they have to blend in. In Europe, they refuse creating massive social problems and racism. They will not conform to western life styles but expect westerners to change to their beliefs.

I repeat again, Austria has the largest new nazi movement in western Europe. It's a known fact.

Australiasucks
03-08-10, 02:37
I do not live in Europe and occasionally just go there to visit and if there is a Nazi movement there I am glad I am in Australia. Many Europeans and Brits love to call Australians racist but there are no real Australian political parties that are looking to kick out immigrants, at least not in the last decade or so, no KKK or skinheads, and a good number of white Aussies will call themselves "Asian".

If you compare poor in America to poor in Indonesia or other third world countries its obvious the poor in America and most of the west have a better life. When you compare the average American to the average citizen of another developed country its when the US looks bad.

Germany has a pretty good sex scene much better than anything in any Scandinavian country, have you seen their FKK clubs, very very nice.

Maybe the tables are turning, I got laughed at for being an Australian in Europe about 8 years ago, and now Australia is the only Western nation not experiencing a severe economic downturn, how things change, people in my country used to think of themselves as the poor among the rich, especially when we compared ourselves to Americans and Brits, but both countries seem to be on a downward slope.

I have seen both Swedes and Germans in Australia pick fruit in the hot sun, they are that desperate to be in Australia. Oh and the minimum wage is also as high as Denmark. People who flip burgers make 16 bucks an hour. Local Australian women though suck balls, but the Asian influx has changed things.

And Latin America as well as Asia are very very racist, they might treat a blonde white foreigner well but anyone else is often mistreated. Look at Brazil or Argentina, in Argentina a rugby team treated their Native teammate like rubbish. An African in Singapore who was accused of drug possession was executed quickly. I have a lot of friends in the US and some of the worst racial tension seems to be among ethnic minorities, not between whites and ethnic minorities, there was even an article about this that stated different ethnic groups tried to reach out to whites but largely mistrusted one another in the USA.

Third world citizens blend in the US?? Are you kidding me? Ever been to East Los Angeles? Even NY is pretty bad, I went there a while ago and could hardly find anyone who could communicate in basic English and the racial tension I noticed in the US is pretty bad. Australia has its problems too but people seem to weigh the good vs the bad and the good easily outweighs the bad of Oz. The only country that has been remotely successful in integrating different people is Canada, its a night and day difference between the Canadians and Americans.

DJ sounds unhappy in America from his post but does not realize only North of the border he has a different world that would await him. Canada is like America minus the bullshit.

ThatGuy865
03-08-10, 04:58
How do you know what everybody thinks? People come to america mostly because of the belief and Hollywood propaganda they can earn money and the power of the dollar. If dollar collapses (I hope not) nobody will give a shit about America. Also since so many "shitty" jobs available, many losers come to america since they can't make it at home. Also ugly girls who can't compete at home feel in america much better.Man the best of the best around the world come to america. Because until you've made it in America. You really haven't made it. Period. Gong Fung sounds like you're Chinese, look at Gong Li. Even with a billion Chinese. She wanted to make it in Hollywood. Same as Jackie Chan. Europe's best where do they go to make it. Aussie's Mel Gibson. Crocdille dundee dude. Singers. Because Its the shit, so if they are coming. All the beautiful woman who Think they are going to make it come too. YOUR beauties come to LA and NY thinking they going to make it. And who do you think gets that potane. Thats right AM like me.

ThatGuy865
03-08-10, 05:36
I do not live in Europe and occasionally just go there to visit and if there is a Nazi movement there I am glad I am in Australia. Many Europeans and Brits love to call Australians racist but there are no real Australian political parties that are looking to kick out immigrants, at least not in the last decade or so, no KKK or skinheads, and a good number of white Aussies will call themselves "Asian"..If I asked an Australian aborigine I think he'd say something quite different. Its easy to speak about everything being so tolerant when you're from the ruling majority. But I've seen news reports of Indians protesting about racism there against them. So it appears what you mean to say is Australia is tolerant if you have WHITE skin. Just because your racist don't have a group name doesn't mean racism doesn't exist. Its just so wide spread it doesn't warrant needing a group.

Jon32
03-08-10, 08:26
Man the best of the best around the world come to america. Because until you've made it in America. You really haven't made it. Period. Gong Fung sounds like you're Chinese, look at Gong Li. Even with a billion Chinese. She wanted to make it in Hollywood. Same as Jackie Chan. Europe's best where do they go to make it. Aussie's Mel Gibson. Crocdille dundee dude. Singers. Because Its the shit, so if they are coming. All the beautiful woman who Think they are going to make it come too. YOUR beauties come to LA and NY thinking they going to make it. And who do you think gets that potane. Thats right AM like me.


lol...so wrong.

You're right about one thing and I'm sure everyone on this board would agree. You can have all the american women for yourself, they're the worst on the planet. Only one thing worse, a foreign girl living in america who gets americanized!

Jon32
03-08-10, 08:53
Third world citizens blend in the US?? Are you kidding me? Ever been to East Los Angeles? Even NY is pretty bad, I went there a while ago and could hardly find anyone who could communicate in basic English and the racial tension I noticed in the US is pretty bad. Australia has its problems too but people seem to weigh the good vs the bad and the good easily outweighs the bad of Oz. The only country that has been remotely successful in integrating different people is Canada, its a night and day difference between the Canadians and Americans.


Have to agree with NYC here. I also have lived in both places (america/europe). Lived in the carribean also where some islands are almost all black.

Just check out the news of what's going on in Switzerland with the Muslims. Look at the neo-nazi's in Germany & Austria. Africans in Spain and Italy are the bottom of the bottom. The spanish are racist towards the immigrants from south america. People I know in Portugal think everyone from Brazil is a puta. There's a hell of a lot more integration in USA then here.

Living somewhere and visiting or reading about it are two totally different things. You mention just about every country in the world, yeah there's racism everywhere.

I can go on a vacation in Cuba for a week, stay in a 5star hotel on a beautiful beach with great food. Never seeing the rest of the island and know that people can only use water at certain times the government allows them or see people leaving in extreme poverty. Then I can go back home and say "Wow, Cuba was great! Seemed like a great country to me!"