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DJ FourMoney
07-29-10, 21:23
RN, believe me, I do understand how complex dating is for single mothers - from the complexities my Mom faced with dating, when I was a kid. Mom's life and mine would probably have been a lot easier and more comfortable if she'd found someone ... I say "probably" because I'm aware that the issues you cited could have made my life and hers quite UNcomfortable, in time.
The article I cited, "Brides Of The State," was first published by the "Inside Cork" newspaper, in 2004. It basically showed how the Irish government, out of compassion, was making it much less attractive for a single mother to look for "a new Daddy for the kids", first by giving her enough support to make sure that her little ones would lack for naught - then by tying that support to her "virtue," as one might say: "If the mother should meet a man who might have the potential to foot the bill for her, this is where the state gets really nasty. It says that if she is even seen with a man about the house she will lose all her benefits!"
To match "the dole," in the article's example, a young Irish man would have to be pulling in something on the order of €1250 a week, before taxes of about 35% for that income bracket. Roughly twice the average, as the article stated. Or, as Tony Soprano might say, "Fuggetaboutit."
So that young Irish man is shut out of family life ... and the single mother's children see "single mommy/no daddy" as normal....
(The article resides on the website of the National Men's Council of Ireland. In deference to the rules of this board, I include no URL.)
This is one of the unintended consequences of social-democracy. I read the story as well and found it interesting that suicide rates for younger men (under 30) are quite high but they sight as one of the reasons is men can't compete with the State. I believe it largely goes deeper than that, the Government gives so much money to these women (school clothing allowance, car allowance, subsidized rent/mortgage, etc), that why risk getting involved when the State is also monitoring you? A man seen "about the house" could be a 6 month relationship. Things could be much different in another 6 months but then the State cuts you off.
The fact is and I think this is the same no matter what country your from of the G8/G20.
Its likely the State is willing to look after you if your Single Mother. As most do not finish Secondary education (High School or College) and don't really encourage continuing school. Meaning those that do follow-through and get their education, think they are something special for an out of the normal achievement.
I also agree with Westy that the vast majority younger, attractive women that have children are the only ones willing to consider slightly older men (10 years older), for obvious reasons both emotionally and fiscally.
I have run into what Rubber Nursery is talking about, women in their mid to late 30's with children unwilling to have more.
These are serious social problems in Western Culture.
Rubber Nursey
07-30-10, 05:20
... tying that support to her "virtue,"... if she is even seen with a man about the house she will lose all her benefits!".
In Oz, you can lose your benefits if a man "regularly stays at your house for two or more nights a week". When you have children, you usually 'entertain' in your own home, so this stupid rule makes it difficult for single mums to sustain an on-going sexual relationship. Then, if the relationship manages to stay under the radar and survive that first phase, the normal progression to "let's move in together" suddenly becomes "let's move in together and you can become instantly responsible for the financial support of me and my two children".
I firmly believe in welfare for sole parents, because the alternative (mothers working three jobs, kids having no supervision, marriages of convenience, etc) is detrimental to children and, ultimately, to society. But welfare laws need to properly reflect the realities of dating and the complexities of step-parent/blended families, because the current structure just makes it impossible for people to move on with their lives and find love.
Rubber Nursey
07-30-10, 05:36
A few of the single mums that I know live in a nice comfortable 4 Bedroom home in the suburbs, has a 4x4, takes her kids to Maccas or Dominos for dinner on Fridays.
I'm a single parent and I live in a four bedroom home and drive a 4x4, but the Government didn't pay for it. Not all single parents are on welfare and/or were ALWAYS on welfare. I've found myself relying on the pension off and on over the past 17 years, but I worked (and lost my benefits) for the majority of that time. I've had people walk into my home and accuse me of 'rorting the system' or that old chestnut, "Wow, you did well out of the divorce". Nothing in my home came from my divorce (as most people here know, my marriage left me in massive debt and I don't even get child support) and there's no possible way I could have paid for all this with the pension. I did it the same way as everyone else - I worked my arse off for it.
Rubber Nursey
07-30-10, 06:00
As most do not finish Secondary education (High School or College) and don't really encourage continuing school.
Just wanted to point out that there's a big difference between a single mother and a teenage mother. The stereotype of a 'single mother' is a highschool dropout who pops out kids while single, but in my country (I realise other countries vary greatly) that stereotype only applies to about 2% of single mums. Around 60% were married or living defacto when they had their children, which suggests a much higher age bracket.
I was a teenage mother who didn't finish high school. Maybe I'm biased, but I don't believe that makes too much difference in the dating scene. I faced all the same problems as an older divorced mother in employment, finances and romance. I certainly don't think I'm 'special' because I continued my education later in life. In fact, my lack of education is a constant source of embarrassment for me.
...the vast majority younger, attractive women that have children are the only ones willing to consider slightly older men, for obvious reasons both emotionally and fiscally. I have run into what Rubber Nursery is talking about, women in their mid to late 30's with children unwilling to have more.
For the record, I'm in my mid-thirties now, but I was 23 when I got divorced. I briefly considered having a baby with my (childless) partner when I was about 27/28, but decided against it. We split up shortly after, so that was probably a good thing! I've generally dated men quite a lot older than me, so age was never an issue. The issues with blended families, step-parenting, etc were a much more important deciding factor.
My fellow American friends,
So if the AW are a no go, how about the foreign women in the US? Are they also that bad attitude wise than their American sisters? I mean it might be bad, but surely not as bad as I'm hearing from all the Americans and others who live in the Yew Ess? Perhaps our resident expert Goga Fung can comment on this, hey amigo? :D
Just want to say that all the frustration I expressed in my post of about a month ago is gone. I am no longer mad at American women, and at the girls ignoring me on FB, etc....
...Man I can't wait to go back to Prague in October.
A few trips to a FKK and a freebie in Ukraine and I was good for a year or two...This is all great, but this is not a long term solution. Unless you plan to live long term in Europe, SA, etc. long term, this kinda life style unfortunately still seems pretty miserable. When you live there long term and have access to good pussy any time any day, it is a very different level of life style. In USA I could afford to have at most one GF and meet her maybe 1 time a week, since everybody is so busy with their shit. In FSU I had problem picking which girl to meet almost everyday. At least it is a good problem to have, very different from the problems you get in USA.
My fellow American friends,
So if the AW are a no go, how about the foreign women in the US? Are they also that bad attitude wise than their American sisters? I mean it might be bad, but surely not as bad as I'm hearing from all the Americans and others who live in the Yew Ess? Perhaps our resident expert Goga Fung can comment on this, hey amigo? :DOla Companheiro. "resident expert"? Very funny. How come you're still wasting your valuable time in Canada instead of Brazil? I guess you prefer staring at elks and maple crap better than partying with garotas brazileras? I thought you were much cooler than this, dude.
In my opinion, in general foreign women are better than AW, but up to a point. Few are better, some are ok, and many not so good, or even worse. foreign women in USA are different than women are back in their countries.
USA is some kinda filter, often it attracts(filters) the worst women. Normal women do not need to leave their country, they feel comfortable at home with their friends, relatives, men, culture. They prefer to stay at home and be happy with what they have instead of leaving everything for some kinda American Dream.
But other women who are more into money and some special goal oriented are trying to get to the USA by any means.
Therefore you get this special type of foreign women plus the USA environment makes then even worse. When they get here, sometimes they behave really nasty. Some "destroy" everything on their way in order to reach something. Once they are in USA they think they are beautiful and everybody owes them everything.
It depends on many factors. The woman I'm crazy for these days is here from Japan, late 30's, very traditional Japanese in most ways, from a traditional family, educated, comfortable middle class. I'd be shocked were she to change all that much and become Americanized with that background and at her age. She things I dislike about AW she finds offensive and repellent too.
My fellow American friends,
So if the AW are a no go, how about the foreign women in the US? Are they also that bad attitude wise than their American sisters? I mean it might be bad, but surely not as bad as I'm hearing from all the Americans and others who live in the Yew Ess? Perhaps our resident expert Goga Fung can comment on this, hey amigo? :D
Two words for you on that, Sprite: OPRAH WINFREY.
What I mean is that the American culture that makes love-and-romance such a minefield for the American man is pervasive, very well publicized, and well-nigh inescapable. I'm afraid it's not going to take "Miss Green-Card" long at all to imbibe those opinions, attitudes, and cultural norms.
I firmly believe in welfare for sole parents, because the alternative (mothers working three jobs, kids having no supervision, marriages of convenience, etc) is detrimental to children and, ultimately, to society.
This is a poverty issue, not a single parent issue. There's a positive correlation between being a single parent and being poor, but which came first, the chicken or the egg? School-age motherhood was a research issue of mine way back when, and I wrote quite the term paper about it. The poverty is the chicken and the single parenthood is the egg, and not the other way around, I became convinced by my empirical research. The anecdotal research (I interviewed 30 school-aged mothers as part of the project) tended to support that as well, although you would have selection bias because the 30 were all from the same geographic area.
So it's important to realize that if the single parent has education and training, and thus one good job instead of three shitty ones, a lot of the other stuff goes out the window. In the long run, the money directed at "aid to families with dependent children" or whatever you want to call it, might be better spend on education, training, and job creation.
But in the long run everybody's dead, of course.
Ola Companheiro. "resident expert"? Very funny. How come you're still wasting your valuable time in Canada instead of Brazil? I guess you prefer staring at elks and maple crap better than partying with garotas brazileras? I thought you were much cooler than this, dude.
In my opinion, in general foreign women are better than AW, but up to a point. Few are better, some are ok, and many not so good, or even worse. foreign women in USA are different than women are back in their countries.
USA is some kinda filter, often it attracts(filters) the worst women. Normal women do not need to leave their country, they feel comfortable at home with their friends, relatives, men, culture. They prefer to stay at home and be happy with what they have instead of leaving everything for some kinda American Dream.
But other women who are more into money and some special goal oriented are trying to get to the USA by any means.
Therefore you get this special type of foreign women plus the USA environment makes then even worse. When they get here, sometimes they behave really nasty. Some "destroy" everything on their way in order to reach something. Once they are in USA they think they are beautiful and everybody owes them everything.
I know what Mr. Fung is talking about. Some foreign women have this idea that in order to reach the American dream the have to emulate all things American and would rather give up their own culture and who they once were to "have it all". Still it is very hard to not become Americanized while you live in the US.
The rules here are so skewed that in many cases, in it far better to be a single mom in Canada then to be in a steady relationship. I cannot speak to other countries but here, a single mom with two kids receives benefits that would require a pre-tax income greater than $40k should she have to work for it. There are many other quirks in the tax system that create such a perverse incentive to remain single that a book was written several years ago called "13 reasons why Revenue Canada (our IRS), wants you to be married", listing some of the many benefits lost when in a relationship.
Yes, at some point single mothers should get some support from the state, but where does support end and incentive begin?
DJ FourMoney
07-31-10, 00:21
I'm a single parent and I live in a four bedroom home and drive a 4x4, but the Government didn't pay for it. Not all single parents are on welfare and/or were ALWAYS on welfare. I've found myself relying on the pension off and on over the past 17 years, but I worked (and lost my benefits) for the majority of that time. I've had people walk into my home and accuse me of 'rorting the system' or that old chestnut, "Wow, you did well out of the divorce". Nothing in my home came from my divorce (as most people here know, my marriage left me in massive debt and I don't even get child support) and there's no possible way I could have paid for all this with the pension. I did it the same way as everyone else - I worked my arse off for it.
The "Welfare Queen" is largely a fabrication of fiscal Conservatives and Neo-Liberals (Clinton, Obama) that shiftless, lazy (mostly minorities) are stealing Middle Class tax payers money, when that wasn't really the case and now we have Welfare To Work which largely leaves many women in a Poverty Stricken situation.
The problem of course is Corporate and Wealthy People Welfare, keep taxes low, where they mostly avoid paying them and then even when they do pay the Regan and Bush tax cuts mean that Capital Gains are taxed at a much lower rate than income taxes. In other words the Tax Code helps the Rich stay rich even when they don't need any help.
Can I Leave Now?
DJ FourMoney
07-31-10, 00:35
Just wanted to point out that there's a big difference between a single mother and a teenage mother. The stereotype of a 'single mother' is a highschool dropout who pops out kids while single, but in my country (I realise other countries vary greatly) that stereotype only applies to about 2% of single mums. Around 60% were married or living defacto when they had their children, which suggests a much higher age bracket.
I know Social Systems are different and I'm sure you have your own Conservative Pundits that spit nonsense like this all time.
I was a teenage mother who didn't finish high school. Maybe I'm biased, but I don't believe that makes too much difference in the dating scene. I faced all the same problems as an older divorced mother in employment, finances and romance. I certainly don't think I'm 'special' because I continued my education later in life. In fact, my lack of education is a constant source of embarrassment for me.
For the record, I'm in my mid-thirties now, but I was 23 when I got divorced. I briefly considered having a baby with my (childless) partner when I was about 27/28, but decided against it. We split up shortly after, so that was probably a good thing! I've generally dated men quite a lot older than me, so age was never an issue. The issues with blended families, step-parenting, etc were a much more important deciding factor.
I personally don't wanna deal with blended family issues or step-parenting. Having experienced it somewhat indirectly I don't like it. It might sound selfish but I want my own children and I shouldn't be made to sound selfish (which American Single Mothers often do). Yes it cuts down on my potential dating prospects especially at my age and AW aversion to large age disparities (more than 8 years). My lack of proper education likely hinders more than my employment prospects as well, though I don't feel under-educated.
I feel you RN, man its tough when it really shouldn't be so hard.
DJ FourMoney
07-31-10, 00:36
My fellow American friends,
So if the AW are a no go, how about the foreign women in the US? Are they also that bad attitude wise than their American sisters? I mean it might be bad, but surely not as bad as I'm hearing from all the Americans and others who live in the Yew Ess? Perhaps our resident expert Goga Fung can comment on this, hey amigo? :D
To tell you the truth, they can be as bad, but most are not nearly as bad as the natively born women.
DJ FourMoney
07-31-10, 00:44
This is all great, but this is not a long term solution. Unless you plan to live long term in Europe, SA, etc. long term, this kinda life style unfortunately still seems pretty miserable. When you live there long term and have access to good pussy any time any day, it is a very different level of life style. In USA I could afford to have at most one GF and meet her maybe 1 time a week, since everybody is so busy with their shit. In FSU I had problem picking which girl to meet almost everyday. At least it is a good problem to have, very different from the problems you get in USA.
Well Europeans and South Americans usually have much more time off and shorter work weeks. So I don't think its unusual at all to have a few girls free on a typical weeknight or weekend. Students aren't working at all in most cases so they have mucho free time unless they are studying for an important exam or something.
I am considering doing some IT training and taking my certifications and then take a internship or job in Denmark since that's one of careers on the "Positive List". I find it interesting most of these countries don't have enough highly skilled people in the workforce and have to consider foreigners. I saw on DW-TV (German English TV) that Germany needs 150,000 Engineers over the next 10 years alone and don't have enough people to fill those positions now.
I just have to do something and soon, I don't want to work more hours like you typically do here and I want more time off, something you don't get here unless you're in a position to call your own shots.
The welfare queen is an exaggeration, but there is some truth to welfare supporting generations of people that become dependent on the system.
but what really surprised was your comments on finance and taxes. You and Obama just don't get it. Business people, and not all of them are rich, just will not risk capital unless the return warrants the risk. With higher taxes and fees, along with healthcare cost business people will not hire. And we see this in our economy.
You of all people try to to get the most "bang" for your buck and go to places where your dollar will go further, this is your brain's decision to maximize the value of your dollar and not waste in on american women. Business people are no different, all its about generating the best return on your money.
Hung Man 1808
07-31-10, 01:42
I am considering doing some IT training and taking my certifications and then take a internship or job in Denmark since that's one of careers on the "Positive List". I find it interesting most of these countries don't have enough highly skilled people in the workforce and have to consider foreigners. I saw on DW-TV (German English TV) that Germany needs 150,000 Engineers over the next 10 years alone and don't have enough people to fill those positions now.
Careful there DJ, that statement is code for "we don't want to pay for local engineers/ IT people as they are too expensive, so we need to find a way to justify importing 1000's of such people from India/China who we can pay the absolute minimum to".
Where I am, there are many highly experienced, but over 40 IT people who can't get a look in. But the young, dumb, *cheaper* guy gets the job.
In other professions, unless you are formal business level fluent in the local language, you're screwed too.
You could always start your own business...
My Fellow Americans, A Proposal:
If you decide to marry an AW don't do it unless she is wealthy AND there is handsome DOWRY as part of the deal.
After all, look at all the bullshit you will have to put up with AND all the mongering you will be giving up. It is only fair. This is what they want to marry YOU for, yes? It's not called a dowry any more but essentially that's what it is. Turn the tables on theses connivers and see what happens~!!
I tried this on my last American girlfriend in front of her friends (of course left out the mongering part) and they all laughed even though I was dead serious. After all, she makes more money than me (plus gets alimony and child support from the ex) so why not? After dating for two years her friends were pressuring me to tie the knot but I just stuck to my guns. Eventually I broke it off because of her sexual conservatism (and low frequency); incessant materialism; and overall drama queen bullshit. Plus she was training her daughter to be another high maintenance beeotch.
I broke it off on July 4 five years ago now as a symbol of my own independence. It has been one of the best decisions of my life because now I travel the world for young lovelies half her age and weight and ten times the sexual appetite and kinkiness. Sure I pay for it but it's a lot cheaper than an AW and oh so much more FUN.
Guess who's laughing now at dowry nay-sayers?
Yours truly, of course!
Australiasucks
07-31-10, 03:14
The rules here are so skewed that in many cases, in it far better to be a single mom in Canada then to be in a steady relationship. I cannot speak to other countries but here, a single mom with two kids receives benefits that would require a pre-tax income greater than $40k should she have to work for it. There are many other quirks in the tax system that create such a perverse incentive to remain single that a book was written several years ago called "13 reasons why Revenue Canada (our IRS), wants you to be married", listing some of the many benefits lost when in a relationship.
Yes, at some point single mothers should get some support from the state, but where does support end and incentive begin?In most Western nations its like this, America does not have the kind of welfare system in Europe but the courts do their job of making sure a single American mom gets her money. Most local Aussie women know they do not need a man to eat, that is why they behave the way they do, sure they are easier than AWs but they know they do not need you to have a roof over their head etc.
My Fellow Americans, A Proposal:
If you decide to marry an AW don't do it unless she is wealthy AND there is handsome DOWRY as part of the deal.
After all, look at all the bullshit you will have to put up with AND all the mongering you will be giving up. It is only fair. This is what they want to marry YOU for, yes? It's not called a dowry any more but essentially that's what it is. Turn the tables on theses connivers and see what happens~!!Ok, lets assume she agrees to provide DOWRY. But what normal man would agree to give up his freedom for some stupid biyotch and her money? No way. One time I was introduced to a girl who was considered a very "lucrative" bride, her parents were working for famous accounting companies she had a good job too. In her country it was considered extremely cool and desirable. But she was not my type at all. I would prefer twice lighter and simpler girl even though she were without the DOWRY.
Rubber Nursey
07-31-10, 04:37
I personally don't wanna deal with blended family issues or step-parenting. ...It might sound selfish but I want my own children and I shouldn't be made to sound selfish.
No, you shouldn't. This is one aspect of your life where you definitely have a right, maybe even an obligation, to be selfish. It's the same for me with not wanting any more children of my own, and not wanting to take on someone else's younger children. I don't care if people think I'm selfish...it's a sacrifice I'm just not willing to make and if I *did*, it would make everyone miserable in the long run, especially the children. I wish you the very best of luck in your search, DJ. :)
Rubber Nursey
07-31-10, 04:46
This is a poverty issue, not a single parent issue. There's a positive correlation between being a single parent and being poor, but which came first, the chicken or the egg?
I really want to comment on this, but it's only a matter of time before the 'You're off-topic again, beeotch!' flaming begins. :) I'm gonna respond to this (and the post from Furysys) in the American Politics thread.
Sorry, DC, and I truly don't want to argue, but from my persepective I see a fatal flaw in your proposal. It might not be fatal or even a flaw for you, though.
The American women I see, who I'd consider "eligible", consider themselves as The Ultimate Prize. They start out with no interest aaaa-tallll in the likes of me, though they might have their girlish crushes on some entertainer. They figure that it's their face and figure that should prompt others to open their bank vaults - not the other way around.
You may say that I'm setting my sights too high, and you're apt to be right. But here's the converse - girls as lovely and desirable are very much more available off of America's shores; else ISG would have no reason for being.
Agreed, GF. I was making the assumption that all the physical qualities were present and she is attractive/desirable/etc. For me, she's got to have pretty face, small waist and big tits or I lose interest real fast (.) (.)Ok, then maybe yes. But in that case she should be even better than what it is supposed to be. DOWRY would be in a way a disadvantage, like she is buying me. I do not want to hear after 20 years that she provided this and that. Of course there are types of guys who would like that. Have you seen that article about men marrying women who earn more, and those "men" do anything those women want, such as lick their pussies, etc. Just because the women provide for them. The simply lost their gender. Disgusting. I lost the link to the article.
Australiasucks
07-31-10, 17:02
My Fellow Americans, A Proposal:
If you decide to marry an AW don't do it unless she is wealthy AND there is handsome DOWRY as part of the deal.
After all, look at all the bullshit you will have to put up with AND all the mongering you will be giving up. It is only fair. This is what they want to marry YOU for, yes? It's not called a dowry any more but essentially that's what it is. Turn the tables on theses connivers and see what happens~!!
I tried this on my last American girlfriend in front of her friends (of course left out the mongering part) and they all laughed even though I was dead serious. After all, she makes more money than me (plus gets alimony and child support from the ex) so why not? After dating for two years her friends were pressuring me to tie the knot but I just stuck to my guns. Eventually I broke it off because of her sexual conservatism (and low frequency); incessant materialism; and overall drama queen bullshit. Plus she was training her daughter to be another high maintenance beeotch.
I broke it off on July 4 five years ago now as a symbol of my own independence. It has been one of the best decisions of my life because now I travel the world for young lovelies half her age and weight and ten times the sexual appetite and kinkiness. Sure I pay for it but it's a lot cheaper than an AW and oh so much more FUN.
Guess who's laughing now at dowry nay-sayers?
Yours truly, of course!Such a system will not happen in 21st Century America nor in any other Western nation. Marriage is pretty much not worth it, not just in the US, but its pretty much the same in Australia and other Western countries. Approximately 40 percent of the couples I see in Sydney tend to be a white male asian female and usually one who came from overseas, do you know why? They just do not want to put up with the bullshit of a local girl, also a local girl really does not need them as I explained in my previous posts. Its better in this case to remain single and go on punting but if you live in America this is difficult to do, America is a sex prison, oh Piper I know what I am talking about. In Sydney if I am horny I can walk into a brothel and get sex without any fuss, pay and then fuck. In the US, if you are horny your option is go the usual route of kissing some woman's ass for a while until she will fuck you or either go the illegal route of soliciting prostitutes there and that could wind up bad, you could get arrested, get ripped off, get your ass kicked by her pimp. Frankly speaking the Aussie system is better.
Yes, I see your point, Westy. The more they have the more they want. One of my ex-girlfriends was married twice before I met her and twice after. Even though she is built like a brick shithouse, gave good head, good looking, etc., AND has subsequently entered the seven-figure bracket with her own business, she has also become quite the needy and demanding type.
Sorry, DC, and I truly don't want to argue, but from my persepective I see a fatal flaw in your proposal. It might not be fatal or even a flaw for you, though.
The American women I see, who I'd consider "eligible", consider themselves as The Ultimate Prize. They start out with no interest aaaa-tallll in the likes of me, though they might have their girlish crushes on some entertainer. They figure that it's their face and figure that should prompt others to open their bank vaults - not the other way around.
You may say that I'm setting my sights too high, and you're apt to be right. But here's the converse - girls as lovely and desirable are very much more available off of America's shores; else ISG would have no reason for being.
Australiasucks
08-02-10, 04:36
Yes, Man from Oz. Looks like we commiserate together... all the more reason to co-monger! :) I'd rather be in Oz than US; but rather be in PI than just about anywhere! Now if I can only find a busty Pinay! It looks like I will be paying for her boob job there.
QUOTE=Australiasucks]Such a system will not happen in 21st Century America nor in any other Western nation. Marriage is pretty much not worth it, not just in the US, but its pretty much the same in Australia and other Western countries. Approximately 40 percent of the couples I see in Sydney tend to be a white male asian female and usually one who came from overseas, do you know why? They just do not want to put up with the bullshit of a local girl, also a local girl really does not need them as I explained in my previous posts. Its better in this case to remain single and go on punting but if you live in America this is difficult to do, America is a sex prison, oh Piper I know what I am talking about. In Sydney if I am horny I can walk into a brothel and get sex without any fuss, pay and then fuck. In the US, if you are horny your option is go the usual route of kissing some woman's ass for a while until she will fuck you or either go the illegal route of soliciting prostitutes there and that could wind up bad, you could get arrested, get ripped off, get your ass kicked by her pimp. Frankly speaking the Aussie system is better.[/QUOTE]Its a lot easier and more accessible for the average Aussie to travel to Asia, its all geography. Places like Koh Samui and Bali, which are exotic to Americans are common places for Aussies to travel. Latin America though is more accessible to Americans, but many Americans seem to think about drug wars and gangs when they think about Latin America. I myself traveled to Brazil and saw the southern region of the country, thought it was gorgeous, sure it has problems but the chicas are out of this world. Gisele Bundchen, the famous supermodel comes from Southern Brazil, she is seen as a knockout in America but from what I saw during my one trip there a few years back is that those beauties grown on trees there.
Mr Enternational
08-02-10, 07:28
I myself traveled to Brazil and saw the southern region of the country, thought it was gorgeous, sure it has problems but the chicas are out of this world. Gisele Bundchen, the famous supermodel comes from Southern Brazil, she is seen as a knockout in America but from what I saw during my one trip there a few years back is that those beauties grown on trees there.[/QUOTE]You are damn right they grow on trees. My first few times in Brazil I always brought up the question, "How do they choose the models?"
Naked Gunz
08-03-10, 03:51
Its a lot easier and more accessible for the average Aussie to travel to Asia, its all geography. Places like Koh Samui and Bali, which are exotic to Americans are common places for Aussies to travel. Latin America though is more accessible to Americans, but many Americans seem to think about drug wars and gangs when they think about Latin America.
I heard somewhere that only 25% od Americans have passports, and half of them actually use them. Seems even in good time we are happy with Yellowstone, NYC travel, ect. Really though most of us Americans cant afford to go anywhere anyway either. If not for my job, I would not have gone anywhere in life. Forty countries and counting. In Darwin now and PI in two weeks.
I heard somewhere that only 25% od Americans have passports, and half of them actually use them. Seems even in good time we are happy with Yellowstone, NYC travel, ect. Really though most of us Americans cant afford to go anywhere anyway either. If not for my job, I would not have gone anywhere in life. Forty countries and counting. In Darwin now and PI in two weeks.
And I am 1 of those 25%ers let them stay home they will only clog up the airports and ewwwww you're in Darwin it did suck there it was a sausage fest back in 2009 never again. Let's keep this our little secret I will keep telling them there is nothing but trouble out there just go to the Grand Canyon/Arizona so they can check to see if you are a legal resident. DAMN YOU rub it in my face PI :( seriously have fun for me bro.
I went to a singles event last night, an organized thing, and the women ranged from girls in their early 30s dressed up like it was prom to sort of biz casual broads in their 50s.
Anyway, I'm 40, never been married, which elicited a common question, "Why haven't you gotten married by now?"
I always explain I had a girl in college who didn't work out and then I moved around a lot, which is true. Life has been an adventure.
On the drive home, I wondered how they'd react if I posed a similar question: "So, what caused your marriage to end in failure?"
But no need to ask. If you get them on a date, they'll tell you all about it as you're paying the drink tab.
I used to dream of settling down and finding a partner for life. Now I mostly visualize what'd be like to get them doggy style.
I wonder what would have happened on the drive home if you hadn't given such a lame answer. Never allude to any ex- anything in a preliminary conversation like that. Even more I wonder how they knew to ask the question. If women ask me if I'm divorced, I say I am single. If women ask me if I've ever been married, I say I am single. If women ask me if I am gay, I say I am single. Well, I would, if one ever did.
Point being you need to work on your game because that whole question needs to be avoided, evaded, or just plain ducked for several dates, and certainly until after you've fucked them.
Two good rules are: 1) Never talk about any prior relationships before they fuck you, and 2) Never talk about any prior relationships after they fuck you.
Essentially STFU is the order of the day because every single piece of information you let slip about any previous woman can do you absolutely no good, but unimaginable amounts of harm.
I heard somewhere that only 25% od Americans have passports, and half of them actually use them. Seems even in good time we are happy with Yellowstone, NYC travel, ect. Really though most of us Americans cant afford to go anywhere anyway either. If not for my job, I would not have gone anywhere in life. Forty countries and counting. In Darwin now and PI in two weeks.
The other 75% (actually 87%) of US citizens - those who don't travel - have their reasons and excuses; some good, some fearful, some lame.
Good reasons? The USA is a huge country, a tremendously diverse country, and you don't have to board a plane to get to anything in the "lower 48". There's an awful lot to see, visit, and experience. I bought my "trailer yacht" to use as a caravan when it's not in the water sailing, just to use as a home-away-from-home for some extended USA tourism.
Fearful reasons? Global terrorism and the notion that USA citizens are special targets of "the mullahs". Stories of the red-shirt riots in Bangkok. Highly publicized murders, kidnappings and the like.
Lame reasons? The water, the food, "I can't speaka da language," they don't speak English, shakedowns from the cops or from Customs - that sort of shit.
Gunz, with forty countries stamped in your passport, you're aware of course that offshore travel can be a pain in the butt. If you have to rely on English-speaking "locals" to work with you, then you're probably aware of how much you aren't understanding of that country; if you do speak the language, you had to put a lot of work into learning it. And you know that the USA is the Land of Instant Gratification - very few Americans are willing to put in the work to learn another language, even if it did open up the world for them. I'd bet that "87%" (non-travelers) don't speak any languages but English - well, probably a lot of them speak Spanish too - but, as I said, "they have their excuses."
I did a good lot of offshore travel in the last ten years of my career, though not as much as you have, Gunz. Now that I'm retired, I do want to see "the wonders of the USA" before I move offshore. But I also get in some foreign travel, such as my recent DR trip, partly for "research" in the quest for my One Particular Harbor - and partly to get it on with the chicas of the world, such as the girls at Blackbeard's. ;)
Australiasucks
08-04-10, 00:52
The other 75% (actually 87%) of US citizens. Those who don't travel. Have their reasons and excuses; some good, some fearful, some lame.
Good reasons? The USA is a huge country, a tremendously diverse country, and you don't have to board a plane to get to anything in the "lower 48". There's an awful lot to see, visit, and experience. I bought my "trailer yacht" to use as a caravan when it's not in the water sailing, just to use as a home-away-from-home for some extended USA tourism.
Fearful reasons? Global terrorism and the notion that USA citizens are special targets of "the mullahs". Stories of the red-shirt riots in Bangkok. Highly publicized murders, kidnappings and the like.
Lame reasons? The water, the food, "I can't speaka the language, " they don't speak English, shakedowns from the cops or from Customs. That sort of shit.
Gunz, with forty countries stamped in your passport, you're aware of course that offshore travel can be a pain in the butt. If you have to rely on English-speaking "locals" to work with you, then you're probably aware of how much you aren't understanding of that country; if you do speak the language, you had to put a lot of work into learning it. And you know that the USA is the Land of Instant Gratification. Very few Americans are willing to put in the work to learn another language, even if it did open up the world for them. I'd bet that "87%" (non-travelers) don't speak any languages but English. Well, probably a lot of them speak Spanish too. But, as I said, "they have their excuses. "
I did a good lot of offshore travel in the last ten years of my career, though not as much as you have, Gunz. Now that I'm retired, I do want to see "the wonders of the USA" before I move offshore. But I also get in some foreign travel, such as my recent DR trip, partly for "research" in the quest for my One Particular Harbor. And partly to get it on with the chicas of the world, such as the girls at Blackbeard's..You got to be kidding me except for few cities on the coasts, most of America seems like a wasteland. Boring.
No, actually, I volunteered that I was never married, because everyone was moping around talking about their divorces. So I said, "Geez, I feel so inadequate, I've never been married or divorced." Joking in that regard.
My father banged about everything he could. He generally observed your rule.
I did learn early on never to tell white girls you had a thing for black girls. They get all worked up about that.
I can't say that I really have any game at all. Once in awhile I luck out and find a woman with my taste in music and a sick sense of humor. I do often try to be a blank slate as far as political opinions, etc., which is easy, because women don't want to hear our thoughts on the whole anyway.
I did break the silence rule recently when I was dating this bisexual Chinese broad. We were on the first date and she told me her longest relationship had been with a black woman.
"What a coincidence," I said.
If they keep pressing you on your single status, you just say you're a widower. Breast cancer would probably be a good way to say the invented wife died.
"She was a real fighter," you can say and then mention how well you took care of her.
Even your average neurotic woman would feel less threatened. And it could be a decent way to explain any sex tapes she might find.
"That was my wife! Can't I remember her?"
You got to be kidding me except for few cities on the coasts, most of America seems like a wasteland. Boring.
And Australia?
Pardon me, I don't want to start an argument, but ... perspective?
It all depends on what we value. "Rich and famous" from the USA's east coast maven-havens (DC and NYC), and those on the West Coast (Los Angeles), refer to everything in-between as "fly-over country". But the area they value is maybe 00.01% of the land-mass of the USA.
Do the residents of Perth, Canberra and Sydney see the rest of Australia as "fly-over country"? And how do the residents of Woomera, Alice Springs or Kalgoorlie feel about that?
And PS, how is Australia doing without "The Mandarin"?
DJ FourMoney
08-05-10, 09:15
The welfare queen is an exaggeration, but there is some truth to welfare supporting generations of people that become dependent on the system.
but what really surprised was your comments on finance and taxes. You and Obama just don't get it. Business people, and not all of them are rich, just will not risk capital unless the return warrants the risk. With higher taxes and fees, along with healthcare cost business people will not hire. And we see this in our economy.
You of all people try to to get the most "bang" for your buck and go to places where your dollar will go further, this is your brain's decision to maximize the value of your dollar and not waste in on american women. Business people are no different, all its about generating the best return on your money.I do get it and while I voted for Obama, I am not happy with all the developments trust me. I would vote Green but that would results in eMeg and iCarly, no thanks.
Its false choice, what your doing is picking the lesser of two evils.
DJ FourMoney
08-05-10, 09:24
Careful there DJ, that statement is code for "we don't want to pay for local engineers/ IT people as they are too expensive, so we need to find a way to justify importing 1000's of such people from India/China who we can pay the absolute minimum to".
Where I am, there are many highly experienced, but over 40 IT people who can't get a look in. But the young, dumb, *cheaper* guy gets the job.
In other professions, unless you are formal business level fluent in the local language, you're screwed too.
You could always start your own business... I have taken that into account. I don't know if I like having my own business. To me having your own business is about control. Having control over everything, even things you don't want to have control over.
I mobile DJ'ed for years, always as more of a side-business to my regular job. I don't like Weddings unless its a friend or my own. Corporate Parties aren't any fun either. So that leaves doing kids parties and nightclubs. I was in Nightclubs, but my ex was the typical AW jealous type and I lost most of my contacts.
Now I just DJ for myself, upload a mix here and there, do some internet radio.
So what actually been doing since I was fired, is look for something that's easy to do, that doesn't require more than 2 years of school if at all and doesn't involved selling shit.
I thought solar/energy audits would be fun, might still do it. But as much time I spend online (8-10 hours a day) IT was what I felt I could do with the internet. But I will be starting a video podcast here soon mostly about Auto Racing since that's my passion and hosting on an up and coming web site.
We'll have to see what happens.
DJ FourMoney
08-05-10, 09:27
My Fellow Americans, A Proposal:
If you decide to marry an AW don't do it unless she is wealthy AND there is handsome DOWRY as part of the deal.
After all, look at all the bullshit you will have to put up with AND all the mongering you will be giving up. It is only fair. This is what they want to marry YOU for, yes? It's not called a dowry any more but essentially that's what it is. Turn the tables on theses connivers and see what happens~!!
I tried this on my last American girlfriend in front of her friends (of course left out the mongering part) and they all laughed even though I was dead serious. After all, she makes more money than me (plus gets alimony and child support from the ex) so why not? After dating for two years her friends were pressuring me to tie the knot but I just stuck to my guns. Eventually I broke it off because of her sexual conservatism (and low frequency); incessant materialism; and overall drama queen bullshit. Plus she was training her daughter to be another high maintenance beeotch.
I broke it off on July 4 five years ago now as a symbol of my own independence. It has been one of the best decisions of my life because now I travel the world for young lovelies half her age and weight and ten times the sexual appetite and kinkiness. Sure I pay for it but it's a lot cheaper than an AW and oh so much more FUN.
Guess who's laughing now at dowry nay-sayers?
Yours truly, of course! Its funny how we went from a Dowry, to Poppa paying for the Wedding at least to absolutely nothing. The only parents that could afford to pay for Weddings now are upper Middle Class and even that's a stretch.
DJ FourMoney
08-05-10, 09:47
You got to be kidding me except for few cities on the coasts, most of America seems like a wasteland. Boring.I used to drive trucks, between the coast there is a whole lotta nothin.
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Guess it depends on what you're looking for, doesn't it? Your perspective makes all the difference. A beautiful mountain, to a tourist, is just 1/2 hour of grinding uphill in low gear, to a trucker.
You got to be kidding me except for few cities on the coasts, most of America seems like a wasteland. Boring.
There is a lot of beautiful country in America between the coasts. Lakes, rivers, mountains, deserts, you name it. It's at least as beautiful as what limited I've seen in Oz.
I used to drive trucks, between the coast there is a whole lotta nothin.Let's return to our regular thread - pissing and moaning about AW beyotches....
Hotman 666
08-05-10, 13:11
And Australia?
Do the residents of Perth, Canberra and Sydney see the rest of Australia as "fly-over country"?
The phrase that I have heard used to describe the "interior" of Australia is "The G.A.F.A."
The Great Australian F#ck All!
Regards,
Hotman (A Brit!)
Gentleman Travel
08-05-10, 15:20
if they keep pressing you on your single status, you just say you're a widower. breast cancer would probably be a good way to say the invented wife died.
"she was a real fighter," you can say and then mention how well you took care of her.
even your average neurotic woman would feel less threatened. and it could be a decent way to explain any sex tapes she might find.
"that was my wife! can't i remember her?"
ha! ha!
i agree that being a widower is the best answer - like tom hanks in sleepless in seattle.
but for most of us, sticking closer to the truth will work better in the long run. unless you are a really good liar.
you need to approach these events or dates like a job interview.
anticipate the questions and have a credible, "truthy" answer up your sleeve.
if you have not been married or had a long-term live in relationship, you may be able to spin out some line like "i never found the right girl" or "i was focusing on buidling my career / travelling too much / whatever" - depends how hold you are. saying you haven't found the right girl when you are 30 will sound great to her, saying that at 50 sounds pretty lame.
nothing wrong with being divorced, the women you are meeting are probably divorced too. but you cannot dwell on it, or blame "that *****" for the break-up. "we grew apart" is a good line - you matured and she didn't. you need some kind of minimalist story, but then you can simply say - "i don't want to dwell on that, i want to focus on the future" - i.e. with the lonely hearts club girl whose blouse you are peering down at that moment.
what you cannot have been the past several years is alone and lonely. that is just pathetic. and makes you sound undesirable. even admiting to being a casanova is better than having been a lonely loser.
Agreed, Westy.
GT, to comment on this "marital status" issue.., this is a particular sore spot with me and AWs. You see, I've never been married. AWs reaction: "what's WRONG with you? Are you gay?". I hate the whole scene of that conversation. Particularly when I mention I don't have any kids, either. Their assumption is super high skepticism/red alert for them.
However, the married American male's response to my bachelorhood: "GENIUS! You lucky bastard! Extreme jealousy, etc" particularly when I tell them about my trysts with sexy foreign women one-third my age.
I really don't know what to say to AWs in social situations any more. They are so fucking stupid and self-centered. The older they are the worse they become. IMO they aren't even worth talking to except in professional situations of course. NONE of my married buddies in America are happy. NONE. All of my married buddies say stay single, it is not worth it. No AW is worth it even with a dowry!
Cripes, the BULLSHIT my own brother who has been married for 30+ years has to put up with is absolutely absurd! I swear by my lights and stars I would never put up with anything remotely close to that crap.
I'm just hanging in there for 10 years or so until I retire in the PI. Then I can abandon AWs for good. They are the bane of the planet. Of course, mom notwithstanding but they don't make AWs like my 89 year-old mom anymore. They've all been replaced by greedy, self-centered biotches.
Guess it depends on what you're looking for, doesn't it? Your perspective makes all the difference. A beautiful mountain, to a tourist, is just 1/2 hour of grinding uphill in low gear, to a trucker.
Let's return to our regular thread - pissing and moaning about AW beyotches....
Gentleman Travel
08-05-10, 19:41
GT, to comment on this "marital status" issue.., this is a particular sore spot with me and AWs. You see, I've never been married. AWs reaction: "what's WRONG with you? Are you gay?". I hate the whole scene of that conversation. Particularly when I mention I don't have any kids, either. Their assumption is super high skepticism/red alert for them.Whereas for me the situation is reversed.
Having been married for 20 years (and still am) with a steady job, great kids, house, dog, etc, I think I could make out like a bandit with the divorcee crowd.
In fact, I know I could - I experimented in this market when I first started playing around, with some success (even with the impediment of still being married).
It was possible to date and screw nice women about 10 years younger, who just wanted to get a love-life back, after years of being a single mom - plus try to secure a future prospect.
Of course, when they discovered I had no intentions of leaving my wife for them, things ended pretty quickly.
But the great thing is that it taught me not to fear becoming single again, because there was a big market out there for guys like me.
And that gave me the confidence to demand changes in my marriage that pay off a couple of times a week.
I still monger when I travel, but don't really need to at home (except when I want something special, which is readily available on CL).
It also taught me that, if I ever do enter that market (divorcees, MILFs) to demand a ROI by the second date, or move on.
There are lots of fish in that sea, and starting a relationship with lots of courtship and no sex is setting a bad precedent!
Once you establish that you are in the driver's seat, the ride can become fun.
The problem with a lot of divorcees is they don't realize they are not in the driver's seat any more.
Marrying TWO of them:
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/38572863/ns/today-today_people?GT1=43001
Agreed, Westy.
GT, to comment on this "marital status" issue.., this is a particular sore spot with me and AWs. You see, I've never been married. AWs reaction: "what's WRONG with you? Are you gay?". I hate the whole scene of that conversation. Particularly when I mention I don't have any kids, either. Their assumption is super high skepticism/red alert for them.
However, the married American male's response to my bachelorhood: "GENIUS! You lucky bastard! Extreme jealousy, etc" particularly when I tell them about my trysts with sexy foreign women one-third my age.
I really don't know what to say to AWs in social situations any more. They are so fucking stupid and self-centered. The older they are the worse they become. IMO they aren't even worth talking to except in professional situations of course. NONE of my married buddies in America are happy. NONE. All of my married buddies say stay single, it is not worth it. No AW is worth it even with a dowry!
Cripes, the BULLSHIT my own brother who has been married for 30+ years has to put up with is absolutely absurd! I swear by my lights and stars I would never put up with anything remotely close to that crap.
I'm just hanging in there for 10 years or so until I retire in the PI. Then I can abandon AWs for good. They are the bane of the planet. Of course, mom notwithstanding but they don't make AWs like my 89 year-old mom anymore. They've all been replaced by greedy, self-centered biotches.
I am in the same situation as you DC, mid 40's, never married, no kids. What I tell the incredulous AW is that I never wanted children. I tell them I was up front with the women I dated and they were good with it at the time and later on decided they did want to have kids so we ended up splitting. I also mention that a lot of women won't date a guy, seriously at least, that doesn't want kids. Actually, this is the truth, I broke up with two serious gf's over the no children issue. What I do not tell them is I really never had the intention of marrying any of them anyway. I saw some pretty hellacious divorces in my early twenties, so I was wary to begin with and as time went by, I saw how miserable so many of my married guy friends were (still are), that I just decided it wasn't going to happen to me.
You are right about the jealousy, etc, one gets from married male friends. Their wives on the other hand are a little wary of me as most of them know I travel regularly to SEA, although they don't know about the mongering, but I am sure they suspect (my cover story is that I am going to visit my brother in Shanghai, and then visit my friends who have retired to Thailand, both of which are true) I think they are scared I will corrupt their well trained husbands and urge them to break free from their bondage!
DJ FourMoney
08-05-10, 22:38
Guess it depends on what you're looking for, doesn't it? Your perspective makes all the difference. A beautiful mountain, to a tourist, is just 1/2 hour of grinding uphill in low gear, to a trucker.
Let's return to our regular thread - pissing and moaning about AW beyotches....
Actually I like Shasta and the Siskiyou's..... Some of the best looking parts of California are North of San Fran...
DJ FourMoney
08-05-10, 22:55
I am in the same situation as you DC, mid 40's, never married, no kids. What I tell the incredulous AW is that I never wanted children. I tell them I was up front with the women I dated and they were good with it at the time and later on decided they did want to have kids so we ended up splitting. I also mention that a lot of women won't date a guy, seriously at least, that doesn't want kids. Actually, this is the truth, I broke up with two serious gf's over the no children issue. What I do not tell them is I really never had the intention of marrying any of them anyway. I saw some pretty hellacious divorces in my early twenties, so I was wary to begin with and as time went by, I saw how miserable so many of my married guy friends were (still are), that I just decided it wasn't going to happen to me.
You are right about the jealousy, etc, one gets from married male friends. Their wives on the other hand are a little wary of me as most of them know I travel regularly to SEA, although they don't know about the mongering, but I am sure they suspect (my cover story is that I am going to visit my brother in Shanghai, and then visit my friends who have retired to Thailand, both of which are true) I think they are scared I will corrupt their well trained husbands and urge them to break free from their bondage!
Then I need to meet the women you do. All I find is Single Mothers who have been burned once or twice that don't want to take a third chance.
I don't have an aversion to MILF's at all, I just want to be assured its what I need to do. Thus far, it seem to me anyway that the single women are hotter than the single mothers are. You would think single mothers would keep themselves in top shape to attach the best candidate. So I guess besides kids, I don't see any difference between those with and those with out, the narcissism is the same.
One Wing Low
08-05-10, 23:52
I worked with many American women, professionals, managerials, executives etc... in fortune 100 companies.
Some of the women I know were remarkably dedicated to their jobs, their employees, fellow workers, employers and various noble causes for humanity... It's very hard to stay your straight course when surrounded by stupid, corrupt corporate assholes...hehe.
Some of these women worked very hard and achieved a lot for themselves and for others.
However, there is a fairly high percentage of these women who would do anything, including fucking their bosses to keep their jobs and their perks... Some of these young sluts got horny for old guys with power, and would fuck guys as old as their grandfathers regularly... The old hands were always comparing notes and had good laughs among themselves... These sexual liaisons were well known among the management, but unless there were complaints, no actions need to be taken.
I have seen some straight-laced women went very far in their careers. Have not seen any sluts went very far. They could be problems when they lose their jobs. Then they may be hiring attorneys to claim they were fired for not fucking their bosses...enough...hehe.
The American work place is dry, but not completely devoid of sex. I understand European work places are far more relaxed and active regarding intramural sex...
1) They feel very entitled. A coworker of mine just got a $10,000 raise. She complained that it was only couple hundred a month after taxes. When I told her plenty of people would be grateful, she said, "That comes from someone who doesn't have a kid to support."
2) Both women in my office have made sexual advances toward me, one of them before she was my boss. The other, the aforementioned sloppy blonde, licked my face when she was drunk and told me she gave great blow jobs. When I later suggested we should fuck should I be transferred elsewhere, she was gravely offended and called it harassment. If they get horny, it's all "Sex in the City." If we get horny, it's a Ted Bundy documentary.
3) Women in my organization have been given promotions and transfers largely because of bureaucratic desire to keep quotas, but they've also been repaid for past sexual favors. Some of the dog ass ugly broads we have actually wield lots of influence.
4) Once a fellow I knew walked upon a female supervisor blowing her boyfriend in her office. The interloper complained, but no action was taken. He asked me, "What would you do if you walked in on her sucking his dick? "Naturally," I said, "I'd pull out my cock and start whacking off."
Well, one thing I wouldn't do is snitch them off. Come on.
Australiasucks
08-06-10, 14:37
1) They feel very entitled. A coworker of mine just got a $10,000 raise. She complained that it was only couple hundred a month after taxes. When I told her plenty of people would be grateful, she said, "That comes from someone who doesn't have a kid to support."
2) Both women in my office have made sexual advances toward me, one of them before she was my boss. The other, the aforementioned sloppy blonde, licked my face when she was drunk and told me she gave great blow jobs. When I later suggested we should fuck should I be transferred elsewhere, she was gravely offended and called it harassment. If they get horny, it's all "Sex in the City." If we get horny, it's a Ted Bundy documentary.
3) Women in my organization have been given promotions and transfers largely because of bureaucratic desire to keep quotas, but they've also been repaid for past sexual favors. Some of the dog ass ugly broads we have actually wield lots of influence.
4) Once a fellow I knew walked upon a female supervisor blowing her boyfriend in her office. The interloper complained, but no action was taken. He asked me, "What would you do if you walked in on her sucking his dick? "Naturally," I said, "I'd pull out my cock and start whacking off."This is hardly news, its no surprise that AWs behave this way in the workplace. I knew a girl at my job in the late 1990s who was exactly like this, moderately talented but knew how to use her looks to her advantage. The last I heard is that she was with Google and married a manager there. Luckily I do not live in America and can easily shrug off AWs. If I were stuck in North America, one of a few things I would do, completely shrug off women and go on trips abroad occasionally and completely gorge on sex when I am overseas, or b live in Quebec, that seems to be an oasis in what is otherwise a desert.
Oh yes, Booey, the wives of my buddies are for sure suspicious of yours truly. If I weren't a professor, and respected member of my neighborhood and community, I'm sure they would forbid their husbands from even seeing me! Of course, my travels are business-related, too, and I always show photos of myself suited up behind a podium giving a presentation to add to the legitimacy. Yet again, the main reason I go is for the awesome, young tight p***y, incomparable and unachievable in America due to the cultural age bias.
Interestingly, many AWs I met do not want AMs with kids (or at least young kids). They are tired of their kids. Nearly all broads initially want kids (the biological imperative) but a few years later they don't want any more because of the amount of work, emotional drain and money involved.
I am in the same situation as you DC, mid 40's, never married, no kids. What I tell the incredulous AW is that I never wanted children. I tell them I was up front with the women I dated and they were good with it at the time and later on decided they did want to have kids so we ended up splitting. I also mention that a lot of women won't date a guy, seriously at least, that doesn't want kids. Actually, this is the truth, I broke up with two serious gf's over the no children issue. What I do not tell them is I really never had the intention of marrying any of them anyway. I saw some pretty hellacious divorces in my early twenties, so I was wary to begin with and as time went by, I saw how miserable so many of my married guy friends were (still are), that I just decided it wasn't going to happen to me.
You are right about the jealousy, etc, one gets from married male friends. Their wives on the other hand are a little wary of me as most of them know I travel regularly to SEA, although they don't know about the mongering, but I am sure they suspect (my cover story is that I am going to visit my brother in Shanghai, and then visit my friends who have retired to Thailand, both of which are true) I think they are scared I will corrupt their well trained husbands and urge them to break free from their bondage!
"pooping in your lunch pail" was the phrase we used back when i was wearing a suit and tie.
One Wing Low
08-06-10, 20:20
a financial controller at a fortune 50 company once told me:
" dont eat where you shit..."
that seemed the only wisdom he had after paying hundreds of thousand dollars for his harvard mba...hehe
"pooping in your lunch pail" was the phrase we used back when i was wearing a suit and tie.
here's another genius who should have just mongered.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38597967/ns/business-us_business
i'm gonna go find out how much money he made last year.
here we go: total compensation of $30,332,527 in 2009. wonder what kind of severance he got. hope it was some good pussy.
if you're going to [CodeWord116] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116) in your lunch pail, you need to wipe your butt a lot better than this guy and tiger and pitino and all of them. i've had sex at work during work and never got in trouble for it. probably would have eventually.
Guy was hired in March 2005 and since then the stock is up over 15% per year. He got over $100 million in total comp the last three years and has over $12 million of severance coming. All over some pussy he supposedly never even got.
And then there was the AW in Scotland who whacked her three kids and then tried to kill herself but fucked that up. I hate it when that happens.
If I were stuck in North America, one of a few things I would do, completely shrug off women and go on trips abroad occasionally and completely gorge on sex when I am overseas....
Exactly what I do. I got into the habit of completely shrugging off women quite early in my US-Government-Security-Clearance career - but it wasn't until an official-government-business trip to Paraguay with my mapping course, that I got my introduction P4P. It was an epiphany.... :D
There are a couple of "old family friends" who ask me when the hell I'm going to get married. I'd rather become a Jesuit and strike for the priesthood - and I am not by any means Catholic in the first place.
I'd rather become a Jesuit and strike for the priesthood - and I am not by any means Catholic in the first place.
It's amazing how picky they are about that. You'd think they would take anyone they could get, with the reputation they have nowadays.
I suspect that if more Jews became priests and more Muslims became rabbis and more Episcopalians opened up ashrams, etc., you'd eventually get a better mix of religions. Religions, like tribes and institutions, become too in-bred and nepotistic. Never go to a college that hires a lot of its own PhDs to teach there (although that is very common in Spain, for example). Groupthink is responsible for a lot of social ills.
I have been given nine more days to report for my 264 day sentence in SP. I, unlike Lindsay Lohan, will not be released a day early. However, I will receive two furloughs that are likely to be a) outside SP and b) highly conjugal.
I did the math and if I maintain the same type of life style except for pussy, I should be able to leave SP after 8.5 months with enough cash to live for 12-14 months back here. I guess that is an okay ratio.
It's amazing how picky they are about that.... I suspect that if more Jews became priests and more Muslims became rabbis and more Episcopalians opened up ashrams, etc., you'd eventually get a better mix of religions.
Now that's an idea. I was born Episcopalian but I've studied a lot of the Eastern religions like Zen Buddhism. Maybe I could open an Episcopal ashram dedicated to Zen meditation and tantric yoga....:D
(Wait: Would that make me a "koan artist"?)
You should open an Episcopal ashram with no pork allowed and everyone has to wear special underwear. I think the Mormons got thrown out of México for stealing too many canned goods. Or was it the other way around?
Know how AW always want to know "where the relationship is going"? I just said good-bye to one of my favorite prostitutes and she did not want to know where the relationship was going. "Bueno, we will see each other in December and until then I will miss your cooking."
Another thing AW like to say: "I'm just not really sure where I am right now, relationship-wise." They like to say that twenty minutes into the first date. I am just not really sure where I am at as far as what kind of salad I am going to order, for chrissakes.
Rubber Nursey
08-08-10, 05:14
Do the residents of Perth, Canberra and Sydney see the rest of Australia as "fly-over country"? And how do the residents of Woomera, Alice Springs or Kalgoorlie feel about that?
And PS, how is Australia doing without "The Mandarin"?
I live in 'fly-over country' and, yeah...the rest of the nation doesn't even acknowledge our existence. Something like 97% of Australia's population live in the capital cities, and a large percentage of Australia is uninhabitable, so I guess we can't blame them for forgetting that a handful of us actually live in the 'outback'. However, ask any city-dwelling Aussie what Australia is famous for and, aside from the Opera House, all the locations they name will be located in our (so-called) boring, uninhabited fly-over country.
PS. Very well, thank you. That man is a grade-A tosser.
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_15702260
Although regulatory filings indicated his severance package was "only" $12 million, apparently this Mark Turd will get $28 million for allegedly not fucking this alleged woman. I think the board "greenmailed" this guy. None of the stuff they talk about in this article would bother anyone in continental Europe or Latin America, and it's obviously not the real agenda.
Remember the last two CEOs walked the plank at Hewlett Packard too, including Carly Fiorina who may well be the next governor of California.
My goal at my new job is get accused of sexual harassment as quickly as possible and receive severance in excess of what I would get by actually doing the job. Should be pretty straightforward,
Rubber Nursey
08-08-10, 05:32
However, there is a fairly high percentage of these women who would do anything, including fucking their bosses to keep their jobs and their perks...
Sorry, but I just had to add that for a lot of women, "fucking to keep their jobs" is a literal statement. Sure, there are some women out there who intentionally further their career prospects by sleeping their way to the top. But I would venture that they would be in the minority.
For many women, the only way they can compete with a male employee is to offer 'added benefits' to the employer. Many, many women are FORCED into the position of providing sexual favours for their bosses in exchange for promotion...or even for initially getting the job (the 'casting couch' is still alive and well). I've worked with countless women in the sex industry who had put up with soooo much sexual harrassment and pressure to shag their boss out in the 'real world', that they decided it was better to fuck directly for cash, than be forced to fuck for promotions.
I've personally found myself in that position, where I was told I could 'win' the promotion if I agreed to provide sexual favours to my boss, even though I was just as qualified as my male counterpart...who, of course, ended up receiving the promotion when I refused to agree to my employer's demands.
DJ FourMoney
08-08-10, 12:42
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_15702260
Although regulatory filings indicated his severance package was "only" $12 million, apparently this Mark Turd will get $28 million for allegedly not fucking this alleged woman. I think the board "greenmailed" this guy. None of the stuff they talk about in this article would bother anyone in continental Europe or Latin America, and it's obviously not the real agenda.
Remember the last two CEOs walked the plank at Hewlett Packard too, including Carly Fiorina who may well be the next governor of California.
My goal at my new job is get accused of sexual harassment as quickly as possible and receive severance in excess of what I would get by actually doing the job. Should be pretty straightforward,
She's running for Senate actually DH :) eMeg, ex-Ebay CEO is buying the Governor's office
I get those two hags confused. Carly I would fuck. Meg I would not but I met her one time, back in the go go days. What the fuck is the matter with you people, electing these movie stars and other idiots all the time? And the last one who wasn't a movie star was Grey Davis. Guy can't even spell his own first name. Gray (I forget if it was Grey or Gray) is a fucking color. Only women confuse things with colors. Peach is a fruit, not a color. Lime is a fruit, not a color. There are only like five colors in the world. And don't get me started about Bad Bad Jerry Brown.
Oh yeah, and electing a little smurf like Sonny Bono mayor or sherrif or whatever the fuck he was? What was up with that? You know he was probably coked out when he skiied into that tree.
C'mon, Dickhead, you should know by now only the rich get into politics. The best candidates don't normally have the financial resources to do so (except maybe Ross Perot who got cold feet). Mayor Bono was revered by his constituents: the residents of Palm Springs. President Ronald Reagan was the only recent good president we've had. You're right about the rest of the idiots ncluding our current presidential disaster. I suppose this discussion should be moved into the politics thread unless anyone wants discuss my favorite political babe: Sarah Palin.
I get those two hags confused. Carly I would fuck. Meg I would not but I met her one time, back in the go go days. What the fuck is the matter with you people, electing these movie stars and other idiots all the time? And the last one who wasn't a movie star was Grey Davis. Guy can't even spell his own first name. Gray (I forget if it was Grey or Gray) is a fucking color. Only women confuse things with colors. Peach is a fruit, not a color. Lime is a fruit, not a color. There are only like five colors in the world. And don't get me started about Bad Bad Jerry Brown.
Oh yeah, and electing a little smurf like Sonny Bono mayor or sherrif or whatever the fuck he was? What was up with that? You know he was probably coked out when he skiied into that tree.
There's a thread for American Politics. It's called, curiously enough, American Politics.
I would rather fuck Carly Fiorina than Sarah Palin but I admit Sarah's ta-tas are a lot bigger. Carly, I think, would want to get on top and be in charge. That would probably be okay. Sarah, I would tease her with my dick until I had her where she needed to be and then I think she would become extremely submissive. At that point I think you could bang her pretty hard.
Bristol Palin I would just come all over her face and hair and let it go at that. i wouldn't even let her take her clothes off.
I'll dump on some more AWs once I get back to the US but I wonder whose dick Lindsay Lohan is sucking in that re-hab center.
Australiasucks
08-08-10, 19:49
Sorry, but I just had to add that for a lot of women, "fucking to keep their jobs" is a literal statement. Sure, there are some women out there who intentionally further their career prospects by sleeping their way to the top. But I would venture that they would be in the minority.
For many women, the only way they can compete with a male employee is to offer 'added benefits' to the employer. Many, many women are FORCED into the position of providing sexual favours for their bosses in exchange for promotion...or even for initially getting the job (the 'casting couch' is still alive and well). I've worked with countless women in the sex industry who had put up with soooo much sexual harrassment and pressure to shag their boss out in the 'real world', that they decided it was better to fuck directly for cash, than be forced to fuck for promotions.
I've personally found myself in that position, where I was told I could 'win' the promotion if I agreed to provide sexual favours to my boss, even though I was just as qualified as my male counterpart...who, of course, ended up receiving the promotion when I refused to agree to my employer's demands.Bunch of nonsense, women use their sexuality to get their way by choice not because of some force. As for harassment, if a woman does it to a man most times she will get away with it scot free. Its social double standards.
Here's something funny I read somewhere else about the reaction of AW to their husbands watching porn. This topic has reached over 400 replies and some of them are hilarious.
Enjoy!
http://marriage.about.com/b/2007/11/23/porn-and-marriage.htm
One Wing Low
08-08-10, 23:35
hi rubber nursey,
i think the degrees of sexual proclivity vary greatly depending on the countries, the size and culture of each company.
in america, there are legions of hungry attorneys who would quickly file harassing law suits on contingent basis against people in positions of power who extort sexual favors as conditions for employment or promotions.
fines and penalties can be very high as jury members tend to emphathize with poor working people, and would award huge damages against businesses, sometimes regardless of factual evidences otherwise...
i know a recent case where a waitress was awarded close to $1 million in back wages and punitive damages for being wrongfully terminated. if juicy sexual elements were involeved, the award may have been much higher and fines much stiffer.
businesses in us would much rather avoid wasting money, time and energy defending against harassing lawsuits. that means people deemed to have high sexual needs and poor judgements would likely be passed over for managerial or excutive positions... this seems to apply mostly to male workers as i have not known or heard of too many female sexual predators... your management career would have much easier chances of success in america if you were a certified eunuch...hehe.
my point was that, the women who fuck their bosses, or even their peers, would sooner or later be known in the corporate grapevines. they create the suspicion of favoritism, thereby reducing the trust, cooperation and efficiency in the workplace. they would become marked. nobody would want to take on and promote careers of slutty proteges for fear of potential legal and political liabilities by association. management would string them along in non-responsible positions and dead end jobs, hungry and desparate, so they have to fuck more or decide to quit on their own...
my observations are that women in the us would more likely limit their own careers by fucking around at work. they would do their careers big favors buying a few heavy-duty vibrators for themselves and devoting all their time, energy and creativity to their assigned work...
sorry, but i just had to add that for a lot of women, "fucking to keep their jobs" is a literal statement. sure, there are some women out there who intentionally further their career prospects by sleeping their way to the top. but i would venture that they would be in the minority.
for many women, the only way they can compete with a male employee is to offer 'added benefits' to the employer. many, many women are forced into the position of providing sexual favours for their bosses in exchange for promotion...or even for initially getting the job (the 'casting couch' is still alive and well). i've worked with countless women in the sex industry who had put up with soooo much sexual harrassment and pressure to shag their boss out in the 'real world', that they decided it was better to fuck directly for cash, than be forced to fuck for promotions.
i've personally found myself in that position, where i was told i could 'win' the promotion if i agreed to provide sexual favours to my boss, even though i was just as qualified as my male counterpart...who, of course, ended up receiving the promotion when i refused to agree to my employer's demands.
Bango Cheito
08-08-10, 23:44
Dude, sorry to say it, but my never-been to the US Colombian ex wife had a big problem with it as well. And she wasn't a particularly religious person, she just felt in second or third place (even though she wasn't in my books).
I have to say since I moved to Colombia I have a lot less desire to watch porn. It just doesn't do it for me anymore. I demand more out of life now ;)
Dude, sorry to say it, but my never-been to the US Colombian ex wife had a big problem with it as well. And she wasn't a particularly religious person, she just felt in second or third place (even though she wasn't in my books).
I have to say since I moved to Colombia I have a lot less desire to watch porn. It just doesn't do it for me anymore. I demand more out of life now.When I lived in the south of FSU earlier this year I could not even think about porn, had no time for that.
When every day you have a trouble to chose with which girl to go on a date or which ho's to call for a fuck party.
Another thing, Internet access their can be slow and expensive, they still charge by amount of traffic MB, so fortunately porn is definitely not a popular activity to do. People prefer to get together and have good time.
Porn is more needed in more western and "rich" countries, especially USA where most people have nothing else to substitute porn with. Everybody is busy doing their shit and social life is a joke. The social life is actually a mockery of real social life what you get in EE, SA, etc.
I was watching Kill Bill 2 this lazy Sunday afternoon and I couldn't help but laugh out loud during one scene. It was the part where Uma Thurman goes to get trained by the ancient Chinese guy, Pai Mei (sp), remember the guy with the long flowing white beard? Well, right at the beginning, he is messing with her and says, "Women are good for only two things, ordering in restaurants and spending a mans money!" He could have added banging, but that would not have fit the character. Wise words, Sensei!
Australiasucks
08-09-10, 02:55
I was watching Kill Bill 2 this lazy Sunday afternoon and I couldn't help but laugh out loud during one scene. It was the part where Uma Thurman goes to get trained by the ancient Chinese guy, Pai Mei (sp), remember the guy with the long flowing white beard? Well, right at the beginning, he is messing with her and says, "Women are good for only two things, ordering in restaurants and spending a mans money!" He could have added banging, but that would not have fit the character. Wise words, Sensei!I remember that scene in Kill Bill, its very true what he said. American women, good for ordering food in a restaurant and spending money.
Rubber Nursey
08-09-10, 04:07
in america, there are legions of hungry attorneys who would quickly file harassing law suits on contingent basis against people in positions of power who extort sexual favors as conditions for employment or promotions.
we have some pretty heavy-duty sexual harrassment laws in oz, too. the problem is that they're very much like [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) laws when it comes to proving an offence has been committed (no witnesses, he said she said). also, poorer women, or those with few employment alternatives, may choose to stay silent about sexual harrassment because they can't afford to lose their job. and of course, all this applies to men who are harrassed as well.
my point was that, the women who fuck their bosses, or even their peers, would sooner or later be known in the corporate grapevines. they create the suspicion of favoritism, thereby reducing the trust, cooperation and efficiency in the workplace. they would become marked. nobody would want to take on and promote careers of slutty proteges for fear of potential legal and political liabilities by association. management would string them along in non-responsible positions and dead end jobs, hungry and desparate, so they have to fuck more or decide to quit on their own...
i wholeheartedly agree. that's why i said i believe women who choose to screw their way to the top are in the minority. any woman with half a brain knows shagging their boss will do more harm than good in the long-term. women who take that path are generally submitting to some form of pressure.
...women use their sexuality to get their way by choice not because of some force.
i think 'using your sexuality' is different to 'fucking the boss'. lots of women dress sexy, flirt and behave like bimbos to secure and/or retain employment, but this ends with exactly the same treatment that captain solo described. sure, your sexy blonde librarian look might get you the job over the dowdy brunette, but if your boss hires you as eye candy, you will only ever be seen as eye candy. sexy women are rarely perceived as being smart or driven or accomplished.
personally, i think a lot of sexual harrassment laws are actually detrimental to women. they're supposed to protect us as work, but they're beginning to prevent us getting employed in the first place! the things classified as 'harrassment' are often soooo fucking ridiculous (displaying 'sexist' calendars? telling your secretary her hair looks nice today?) it's little wonder that some men are afraid to employ women.
One Wing Low
08-09-10, 17:17
Hewlett-Packard Co. ex CEO Mark Hurd must not be very smart:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Woman-in-HP-scandal-saddened-apf-2930421160.html?x=0
Australiasucks
08-10-10, 05:52
Hewlett-Packard Co. ex CEO Mark Hurd must not be very smart:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Woman-in-HP-scandal-saddened-apf-2930421160.html?x=0What a fuckwit.
"Fisher echoed Hurd's statement that the two never had a sexual relationship, but neither she nor her lawyer, celebrity attorney Gloria Allred, would discuss details of the harassment claim."
"Fisher acknowledged that she and Hurd have settled the matter. A person familiar with the case told The Associated Press that Hurd agreed to pay Fisher but would not reveal the size of the payment."
So what is the deal here? There was no sex, but the guy had to pay? Do you know how much?
Why would anybody believe that this guy wanted this 50 y.o. broad? he could easily get twice younger chicks.
"Fisher echoed Hurd's statement that the two never had a sexual relationship, but neither she nor her lawyer, celebrity attorney Gloria Allred, would discuss details of the harassment claim."
"Fisher acknowledged that she and Hurd have settled the matter. A person familiar with the case told The Associated Press that Hurd agreed to pay Fisher but would not reveal the size of the payment."
So what is the deal here? There was no sex, but the guy had to pay? Do you know how much?
Why would anybody believe that this guy wanted this 50 y.o. broad? he could easily get twice younger chicks.
I think it's just an example of how fucking ridiculous america is.
He got fired for 'improper conduct' by HP. Not sexual harrasment.
If it's proves to be true that there was no harrasment... every man should just cut their nuts off living in the states!
"she never thought he would lose his job over this", jeez, guys can get fired if some broad thinks he is looking at her the wrong way.
He admits they did spend dinners etc together. My question is, how is such a naive idiot like this guy become a WallStreet darling and CEO of HP?
... But never mind, just for a moment, just consider...
The empty vessel puppet of the Wall Street bankers that is Obama is doing his job and has already tripled the countries debt in only 2 years. TOTAL Tax revenue BEFORE other expenditure like the military and welfare, will soon be insufficient to service the debt.
America is fucked, although no doubt DickHead or similar will argue otherwise?
Best start making plans now....
I don't argue with illiterates who present inaccurate and uncited figures. The debt certainly hasn't tripled in 2 years. Maybe you should stop stroking your dick and use it to figure out how to count to eleven.
The gross total public debt was $13.3 trillion a couple of weeks ago, which is about 93% of GDP. To give a comparison, after WW II that figure did not go below 100% of GDP until 1952 or 1953 (I forget which but 1953 makes more sense). So, a debt load of 93% of GDP is far from unprecedented (although not good!). It was over 120% in 1946. Note that 93% of GDP is still the third-lowest of the G8 highly industrialized countries.
Here are the cites:
http://www.ustreas.gov/education/faq/markets/national-debt.shtml
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/NPGateway
http://www.bea.gov/national/index.htm#gdp
You can check the data for yourself, or you can just go on listening to your favorite right/left wing commentators, who seek to entertain and inflame rather than analyze.
How the previous poster got the idea I was a great defender of the US is pretty humorous, but I do know shit from apple butter. Note this is the same poster who had inordinate curiosity about male porn stars' balls.
I did not say you are a defender of the US but guessed you would argue about the shit state the country is in anyway. I also am not in hock to the so called left or right wing. Rep/Dem are both the same, like choosing Pepsi or Coke. You are not even sure if I am right or left wing, which proves my point!
Is anyone really dumb enough to believe the crap/propaganda any Government issues? Like the vastly understated employment numbers. Debt as a % of GDP does not take into account the massive unfunded liabilities and you appear to have missed my point that Tax revenues will soon be insufficient to service the declared debt 93% or otherwise. (See link below.) Anyone who takes the opposite view to you is apparently an uneducated fool.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jeremywarner/100007268/why-the-us-is-as-busted-as-a-busted-flush/
Try Bill Black on YouTube who was responsible for solving the S&L crisis in the 1980's if you really want to know the truth and there are many more out there. (His series of 5 short videos on the Real News Channel are very good.)
Incidentally, I do not have 'inordinate curiosity about male pornstars balls' as this was said as a joke. (Since when did female pornstars have balls, obliging you to differentiate for the benefit of all us 'illiterates')
DJ FourMoney
08-14-10, 04:41
Not to totally drag it off topic, but both parties are in bed with Wall St.
The Banksters got away with who knows what and if you did the same thing you would either be dead or under the jail.
GDP is one of those funky figures and while 93% is not good, its unpopular for the House to try to pass anything meaningful to fix it without the Right (and some Dixiecrats) screaming about the deficit.
They say the new normal will happen around 2015. That gives me plenty of time to get more education but I'm leaving on the next Jet Plane....
My numbers do include the unfunded liabilities such as Social Security as you would have seen if you had bothered to follow the links. Obviously those have to be estimated. If those liabilities are not included, the "public" debt is $8.63 trillion instead of $13.26 trillion.
Perhaps you have some other numbers you would like to cite? Or you could just continue with random unsupported bullshit. I followed your link and it has no pertinent data and is just some journalist quoting some professor and there isn't even any context. It talks about the tax base as a % of GDP. It doesn't even define the tax base. Personal income tax? Personal + corporate? Personal + corporate + excise? Or what? It's a completely worthless article. Now maybe if you researched and went back to the source article by the guy he was quoting (but since he doesn't properly cite it, that's tough to do; that is very poor journalism and gives this pommie zero credibility in my book), that might get you somewhere.
But unsupported bullshit is a lot easier, right?
my numbers do include the unfunded liabilities such as social security as you would have seen if you had bothered to follow the links. obviously those have to be estimated. if those liabilities are not included, the "public" debt is $8.63 trillion instead of $13.26 trillion.
perhaps you have some other numbers you would like to cite? or you could just continue with random unsupported bullshit. i followed your link and it has no pertinent data and is just some journalist quoting some professor and there isn't even any context. it talks about the tax base as a % of gdp. it doesn't even define the tax base. personal income tax? personal + corporate? personal + corporate + excise? or what? it's a completely worthless article. now maybe if you researched and went back to the source article by the guy he was quoting (but since he doesn't properly cite it, that's tough to do; that is very poor journalism and gives this pommie zero credibility in my book), that might get you somewhere.
but unsupported bullshit is a lot easier, right?
i'm bored of this already. the figures and data can be argued and manipulated forever, the important principle here being that the us is financially screwed. no doubt. (gdp and the farce of 'qe' are not the same thing.) the us has systematically been hollowed out, raped? over the past 30-40 years. i suggest we pick this up in 6-12 months time to see who is right. in the meantime something to cheer you up...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2hadpg45uo
There is NO difference between the political parties in the US or UK for that matter!! They, and the whole damn system is corrupt from top to bottom!! All the players are interchangeable and in the US most Government appointees are carry overs from Clinton or Bush and are those who cooked up the mess in the first place and so can hardly be trusted or expected to fix it! Just consider a couple of ramdom facts:
1/ Donald Rumsfeld announced a day before 9/11 that the defence department could not account ('lost') for $1.2 trillion. (See YouTube.)
2/ A few weeks ago, they also announced they could not account for 90% of the $900bn spent so far on 'reconstruction' in Iraq. Like you do LoL
3/ The Fed can 'print' (create out of thin air) ANY sum of money it likes without having to tell the Government who are junior to the Fed. (See Alan Greenspan on YouTube who clearly says the Fed are above Government.) Any coincidence that many of the big names in Government are billionaires?
4/ With the S&L debacle in the 80's over a 1,000 CEO's etc were prosecuted and/or imprisoned. This time, NOT ONE aside from Bernie Madoff!
5/ The problem is 30-40x bigger than the S&L yet the 'investigating' authorities now have a fraction of the manpower to deal with it and so it's business as usual with all the huge bonuses etc. Over $1 Trillion of bad debt has still to be disclosed and the 'crisis' has not even started. (See any of the Prof Bill Black videos on the Real News channel) Bail out, more like a jail out needed!!
So Dickhead, be my guest and swallow all the Government BS all you like, I suspect DJ and myself are far more likely to be proved right in 6-12 months!
Let's get back on topic. But, unsupported horseshit can be fun. So here is some. 96% of all American women are overweight. 16.4% are HIV positive. 0.04% can suck good dick.
Oh yeah and also if you marry an AW then all your hair will fall out. It's a well known fact that I either just made up, or pulled off a biased website, or based on the fact I saw two married guys who were both bald.
Anyway in two days I will be back there to see for myself. But not for long!
... I came across (not literally before you say it!) this Fortune 500 article...
http://money.cnn.com/2010/08/11/news/economy/economic_collapse_GDP_unemployment.fortune/index.htm
To paraphrase... 'The 90% GDP debt ratio is the rubicon from which there is no return'
Getting the message yet? The US is fucked and so better get used to it now and start planning to preserve your wealth and assets!!
Incidentally, I'm moving out to the Far East...
...To paraphrase... 'The 90% GDP debt ratio is the rubicon from which there is no return'
Getting the message yet? The US is fucked and so better get used to it now and start planning to preserve your wealth and assets!!
Incidentally, I'm moving out to the Far East...The Debt-to-GDP Ratio was 91%, 116%, 121%, 106%, 94%, and 95% for 1944, 1945, 1946, 1947, 1948, and 1949 respectively.
BTW: During the 1930's (The Great Depression), the Debt-to-GDP Ratio never got above 44%.
-Helpmann :)
DJ FourMoney
08-16-10, 04:26
There is NO difference between the political parties in the US or UK for that matter!! They, and the whole damn system is corrupt from top to bottom!! All the players are interchangeable and in the US most Government appointees are carry overs from Clinton or Bush and are those who cooked up the mess in the first place and so can hardly be trusted or expected to fix it! Just consider a couple of ramdom facts:
1/ Donald Rumsfeld announced a day before 9/11 that the defence department could not account ('lost') for $1.2 trillion. (See YouTube.)
2/ A few weeks ago, they also announced they could not account for 90% of the $900bn spent so far on 'reconstruction' in Iraq. Like you do LoL
3/ The Fed can 'print' (create out of thin air) ANY sum of money it likes without having to tell the Government who are junior to the Fed. (See Alan Greenspan on YouTube who clearly says the Fed are above Government.) Any coincidence that many of the big names in Government are billionaires?
4/ With the S&L debacle in the 80's over a 1,000 CEO's etc were prosecuted and/or imprisoned. This time, NOT ONE aside from Bernie Madoff!
5/ The problem is 30-40x bigger than the S&L yet the 'investigating' authorities now have a fraction of the manpower to deal with it and so it's business as usual with all the huge bonuses etc. Over $1 Trillion of bad debt has still to be disclosed and the 'crisis' has not even started. (See any of the Prof Bill Black videos on the Real News channel) Bail out, more like a jail out needed!!
So Dickhead, be my guest and swallow all the Government BS all you like, I suspect DJ and myself are far more likely to be proved right in 6-12 months!
William Black was on the Keiser Report last Thur. There are truth tellers all over the alternative media, even Peter Schiff wasn't able to get any traction and he's a Libertarian at best but was one of many signalling the doom and gloom but all CNBC and the rest of them wanted to say he was "Chicken Little and the Sky was falling".
In any event, you must like Petite Asian women and China will soon have its own issues to contend with.
I just said I was leaving on a Jet Plane, destination, who knows. Maybe South America, I don't know no place is utopia, all have their strange problems, cultural issues, racism at different levels and so-on. I just like women, I big asses you find in South America, I like fair skin and brightly colored eyes like you find in Scandinavia, its going to be hard to pick one and why should I have too?
Just keep it movin...
... I came across (not literally before you say it!) this Fortune 500 article...http://money.cnn.com/2010/08/11/news/economy/economic_collapse_GDP_unemployment.fortune/index.htmTo paraphrase... 'The 90% GDP debt ratio is the rubicon from which there is no return'
Getting the message yet? The US is fucked and so better get used to it now and start planning to preserve your wealth and assets!!Incidentally, I'm moving out to the Far East...
I liked the part where they bragged about how Rush Limbaugh is one of their readers. That pretty much told me all I needed to know. Thank you so much for all your financial advice but I think I am in pretty good shape.
DJ, for Latin women with fair skin, big asses, and brightly colored eyes, I recommend:
1) Santa Cruz de la Sierra, Bolivia
2) Misiones province in Argentina
3) Valparaíso, Chile
4) Three cities in Argentina that are very close together: Rawson, Puerto Madryn, and Trelew.
Trelew was settled by Welsh but then of course local dudes snuck in and shot some nuttz and the result was quite interesting. Go there during Carnaval.
There are also a lot of your types in Venezuela but that country sucks.
I liked the part where they bragged about how Rush Limbaugh is one of their readers. That pretty much told me all I needed to know. Thank you so much for all your financial advice but I think I am in pretty good shape.
DickHead,
When I said 'your' wealth and assets, I did not mean you personally, I meant your in a generic sense, as people in general would be well advised...
I was not and would not offer you any financial advice, as it seems in any event I should be coming to you for advice, as you seem to know something everyone else has missed. 90% debt againsr GDP will be extremely nigh on impossible to get out of or sustain as the article said. I was not aware that Fortune 500 is such a joke as a source of financial opinion or advice. Thank you.
Anyhooo, I am truly bored with this now and I am sure you are too.
Back to the pussy.....
DJ, I should add that you will encounter some fairly overt racism in any of those places I recommended, especially Misiones. But fuck 'em if they can't take a joke. They're just ignorant and insular. As has been discussed many times before, for every one that doesn't want to fuck you because you are black there will be one who wants to fuck you for the very same reason. It's more the dudes you would need to worry about.
DJ FourMoney
08-16-10, 19:47
DJ, I should add that you will encounter some fairly overt racism in any of those places I recommended, especially Misiones. But fuck 'em if they can't take a joke. They're just ignorant and insular. As has been discussed many times before, for every one that doesn't want to fuck you because you are black there will be one who wants to fuck you for the very same reason. It's more the dudes you would need to worry about.
Not concerned, the only person that called me a "Sex Tourist" was some guy in Kiev. I happen to be with I guess "Part-Timers" and maybe he's sampled the goods, but I'm still not quite sure where that comment came from.
I can tell you for sure, curiosity abounds. Enough for me to get laid, enough to for a woman to get beyond my skin color or not see it as a net negative, but a net positive.
Being Black, but American is much less a problem outside America as it in INSIDE America.
Australiasucks
08-17-10, 01:00
The Debt-to-GDP Ratio was 91%, 116%, 121%, 106%, 94%, and 95% for 1944, 1945, 1946, 1947, 1948, and 1949 respectively.
BTW: During the 1930's (The Great Depression), the Debt-to-GDP Ratio never got above 44%.
-Helpmann :)Well some people are comparing what the US is currently experiencing to the 1930s and America has a lot more foreign debt today, did you think the US prevailed in WW2 because it owed money to Germany and Japan?? LOL. Now it owes trillions to China and many other countries. I agree with Fox, I preempted him by a decade and moved to Australia which has benefited handsomely from the growth of the major Asian economies. The only way to put it mildly is that the US is fucked. Millions are turning on Obama because he is unable to turn around the US, in June the Obama admin was saying the recession is over, now it looks like a double dip and something worse. I honestly hope its not a repeat of the 1930s and more like the 1970s. But anyway all the hope and excitement that followed Obama's ascendancy to the Presidency is gone, even if he is not reelected, the his successor will be more of the same. My advice, get out of the US.
DJ FourMoney
08-17-10, 08:34
Well some people are comparing what the US is currently experiencing to the 1930s and America has a lot more foreign debt today, did you think the US prevailed in WW2 because it owed money to Germany and Japan?? LOL. Now it owes trillions to China and many other countries. I agree with Fox, I preempted him by a decade and moved to Australia which has benefited handsomely from the growth of the major Asian economies. The only way to put it mildly is that the US is fucked. Millions are turning on Obama because he is unable to turn around the US, in June the Obama admin was saying the recession is over, now it looks like a double dip and something worse. I honestly hope its not a repeat of the 1930s and more like the 1970s. But anyway all the hope and excitement that followed Obama's ascendancy to the Presidency is gone, even if he is not reelected, the his successor will be more of the same. My advice, get out of the US.
Less likely to be like the 1930's, got UI, SS, Medicaid, etc, etc. Just enough of a social safety net to prevent a complete collapse.
With roughly 20% of the population unemployed, you don't have much room for error. But there are some things afoot. There's a rumor since Fannie & Freddie are under Gov control, they might bail out underwater mortgages by forgiving part of their debt. Many of argued the people that should have been bailed out were not the banking sector, but the home owners and consumers.
The reason it didn't happen before was this ridiculous notion of "moral hazard" and of course the fact that Obama's biggest donors were on Wall St.
That would provide some relief to some families and free up some spending, but we have to get out of this mindset that we'll spend our way out of this, we have to make structural changes to our economy and how it works.
Failing political will to force the Government to do something, it will wait until it has to do something, so I think you'll see few things Obama can do without the Congress (Fannie & Freddie) and almost anything else will have to wait until the fallout of the Mid-terms.
There's a thread for the last two pages here(started here by Fox7717 - thanks for not RTFF), it's called American Politics.
So what are the odds American woman demand to cook some food after sex like other cultures? I bet 500 to 1.
Less likely to be like the 1930's, got UI, SS, Medicaid, etc, etc. Just enough of a social safety net to prevent a complete collapse.
With roughly 20% of the population unemployed, you don't have much room for error...I don't have the time to pick apart the errors in your argument and the arguments of your cohorts. Nevertheless, the national unemployment rate in the United States is 9.5% and has been between 9.5% and 10.1% for the last twelve months.
-Helpmann :rolleyes:
Australiasucks
08-17-10, 14:35
I don't have the time to pick apart the errors in your argument and the arguments of your cohorts. Nevertheless, the national unemployment rate in the United States is 9.5% and has been between 9.5% and 10.1% for the last twelve months.
-Helpmann :rolleyes:Those are the US federal government numbers if you are going by that you are an idiot. The real unemployment in the US is closer to double that. The US government does not use a very accurate formula to get the real unemployment rate. Australia's is around 5 percent and dropped a bit and the number is more realistic than the American rate. The American Dollar no longer has the kind of prestige it used to have overseas, come to Australia and see why, or any other major country for that matter.
DJ FourMoney
08-17-10, 17:21
I don't have the time to pick apart the errors in your argument and the arguments of your cohorts. Nevertheless, the national unemployment rate in the United States is 9.5% and has been between 9.5% and 10.1% for the last twelve months.
-Helpmann :rolleyes:
You don't have time because you can't pick it apart. Go to the back of the line.
Member #2041
08-17-10, 17:32
I don't have the time to pick apart the errors in your argument and the arguments of your cohorts. Nevertheless, the national unemployment rate in the United States is 9.5% and has been between 9.5% and 10.1% for the last twelve months.
-Helpmann :rolleyes:
The way it's measured, that only includes those who are actively seeking full time work and are not presently employed at all. Those who have stopped looking because they are discouraged from no prospects are excluded. And those are under-employed, meaning that they can't get full time work despite wanting it, but are taking part time jobs (usually without things like health care benefits) are also not counted. The numbers I've seen indicate that if you count the long term discouraged who have stopped looking, the number would be between 16% and 17%, and another 7% or so are underemployed.
The actual unemployment is certainly the worst since the Great Depression.
You don't have time because you can't pick it apart. Go to the back of the line.Aren't you the guy from a year ago who was looking to marry some third world hookers?
-Helpmann :D
DJ FourMoney
08-17-10, 17:44
There's a thread for the last two pages here(started here by Fox7717 - thanks for not RTFF), it's called American Politics.
So what are the odds American woman demand to cook some food after sex like other cultures? I bet 500 to 1.
We talk about AW here, how about this?
I recently made two different threads in another forum.
One thread topic was "Would you date somebody who was unemployed". Being unemployed myself I wanted to gauge the response and it was more positive than I thought. Granted I'm talking to quite a few women on that board who are over 35, not models at all but fairly attractive none the less.
So the moral to that story is? I'm not sure, women become decidedly un-materialistic once they hit 30 or have children. But like most men, I rather have a few years to explore our relationship before having children. Ready Made families become just that, you jump in with both feet and into the deep end of the pool. Coming up on Sept, things become real like buying clothes for school and school supplies. That goes with other things as well. If the woman your with is reasonably secure financially these are likely not major issues. But there's still stress levels to deal with and while crisis management might be a good way to learn about how a woman will act in such a situation.
Now having said that, women between 28 and 35, never married, no children and better than a 7 on many scales have a level of narcissism that largely is unnoticed by other women. So when you try to explain that, it falls on deaf ears. There the ones with laundry list so long its hard for the average guy to measure up.
So I just turned 40 last week and what are my choices?
Narcissistic Women, great to look at, no children but I'm a looser in their eyes.
Women with children, more realistic, especially the older they get and the day after day of loneliness build up.
One thing I have found however that interesting is in FSU, if you have children from a previous relationship, you might as well have Leprosy. Of course that's the law of supply and demand. Men usually looking over there for wife are looking for younger, childless women. But what's even funnier is that since the financial crisis many agencies report more women applying but fewer men coming.
So its a buyers market... If your buying, most of you aren't so its of little concern.
DJ FourMoney
08-17-10, 17:45
Aren't you the guy from a year ago who was looking to marry some third world hookers?
-Helpmann :D
Define 3rd World/Developing Nation?
The way it's measured, that only includes those who are actively seeking full time work and are not presently employed at all. Those who have stopped looking because they are discouraged from no prospects are excluded. And those are under-employed, meaning that they can't get full time work despite wanting it, but are taking part time jobs (usually without things like health care benefits) are also not counted. The numbers I've seen indicate that if you count the long term discouraged who have stopped looking, the number would be between 16% and 17%, and another 7% or so are underemployed...Of course unemployment only includes those that are presently seeking employment. That's how it has been measured in the United States for decades!!! If you want to pull some "adjusted" statistics out of your ass, then you should at least have the decency and intelligence to compare "adjusted" statistics from past and present day. Not actual past stats (US Labor Dept) to adjusted present stats (Cato Institute).
Pulling a trick like that is just stupid and irresponsible.
-Helpmann :rolleyes:
Member #2041
08-17-10, 18:15
Of course unemployment only includes those that are presently seeking employment. That's how it has been measured in the United States for decades!!! If you want to pull some "adjusted" statistics out of your ass, then you should at least have the decency and intelligence to compare "adjusted" statistics from past and present day. Not actual past stats (US Labor Dept) to adjusted present stats (Cato Institute).
Pulling a trick like that is just stupid and irresponsible.
-Helpmann :rolleyes:
I didn't COMPARE it to anything. I merely offered those additional numbers to allow people to better appreciate the CURRENT situation in a more fleshed out manner. There was no trick, and the only irresponsibility is yours. And in point of fact, the underemployment number has not been reliably calculated in prior generations, so there really isn't anything to compare the current number to. It was only presented so that one appreciates that more than 20% of the population is unable to find the sort of work that they would wish to, even though the current labor dept. numbers are between 9.5% and 10% for the unemployment metric as it has historically been measured.
I didn't COMPARE it to anything. I merely offered those additional numbers to allow people to better appreciate the CURRENT situation in a more fleshed out manner. There was no trick, and the only irresponsibility is yours. And in point of fact, the underemployment number has not been reliably calculated in prior generations, so there really isn't anything to compare the current number to. It was only presented so that one appreciates that more than 20% of the population is unable to find the sort of work that they would wish to, even though the current labor dept. numbers are between 9.5% and 10% for the unemployment metric as it has historically been measured.You didn't flesh out anything! You pulled 20% adjusted unemployment out of the air (earlier you wrote 16% or 17%, which is it?) and then you failed to say what the "out of the air" adjusted employment number was before the recession. I won't even ask where you are "finding" these numbers.
In the US, actual unemployment was 9.5% in July 2010 and 4.6% three years ago. These aren't adjusted numbers or numbers that were pulled out of my ass.
Now stop quoting unnamed sources or Rush Limbaugh!
BTW, you don't have to go back to the Great Depression to find worse unemployment statistics. US unemployment has averaged 8.8% over the last two years (July 2008 - July 2010); however, 27 years ago, unemployment averaged 9.5% (July 1981 - July 1983).
-Helpmann :rolleyes:
Member #2041
08-17-10, 19:13
You didn't flesh out anything! You pulled 20% adjusted unemployment out of the air (earlier you wrote 16% or 17%, which is it?) and then you failed to say what the "out of the air" adjusted employment number was before the recession. I won't even ask where you are "finding" these numbers.
In the US, actual unemployment was 9.5% in July 2010 and 4.6% three years ago. These aren't adjusted numbers or numbers that were pulled out of my ass.
Now stop quoting unnamed sources or Rush Limbaugh!
BTW, you don't have to go back to the Great Depression to find worse unemployment statistics. US unemployment has averaged 8.8% over the last two years (July 2008 - July 2010); however, 27 years ago, unemployment averaged 9.5% (July 1981 - July 1983).
-Helpmann :rolleyes:
The numbers I stated were: 9.5-10% unemployment as measured. 16-17% if you included the long-term discouraged who are not currently counted in the Labor Dept. Metric, and another 7% or so UNDEREMPLOYED.
Over 20% comes from adding the under-employed who are part time employed to the long term discouraged who are not captured by the Labor Dept. statistics, plus the Labor statistics number. If you could read, you would know that was what I said. I never contradicted myself.
I surely never quoted Rush Limbaugh - he's nearly as much of a gasbag as Helpmann is. Admittedly, Helpmann might be too stupid to have comprehended what I said, hence his belief that my answer did not "flesh it out".
The numbers I stated were: 9.5-10% unemployment as measured. 16-17% if you included the long-term discouraged who are not currently counted in the Labor Dept. Metric, and another 7% or so UNDEREMPLOYED.
Over 20% comes from adding the under-employed to the long term discouraged. If you could read, you would know that was what I said. I never contradicted myself.
I surely never quoted Rush Limbaugh - he's nearly as much of a gasbag as Helpmann is. Admittedly, Helpmann might be too stupid to have comprehended what I said, hence his belief that my answer did not "flesh it out".I am not the guy, who's been pulling bullshit out his ass. You offer opinions, but not a shrewd of proof.
Now, I question everything that you have ever written on this board.
-Helpmann :rolleyes:
Member #2041
08-17-10, 19:29
I am not the guy, who's been pulling bullshit out his ass. You offer opinions, but not a shrewd of proof.
Now, I question everything that you have ever written on this board.
-Helpmann :rolleyes:
Proof of what, douchebag?
I never said that I disagreed with your Labor Department numbers - I simply said that they do not tell the entire story, because they omit the long-term discouraged workers, and the underemployed workers If you believe that those additional groups that are omitted by the Labor Dept number that's been hovering around 9.5% are irrelevant, you are entitled to your opinion, even when it's wrong. The reason that I didn't quote a source for the other numbers is that, quite candidly, the estimates vary, and there is no one established source that is considered to be the best for those two segments that are NOT measured by the Labor Dept. But that doesn't for a minute mean that the two additional groups of un or underemployed people who are not measured by the Labor Dept are irrelevant. In all honesty, I don't know why you are arguing with me, and what the point of your argument is, unless it's that you like to make yourself look foolish on a forum. I'll concede you've certainly done that, and quite well.
And frankly, why should I, or anyone else, for that matter, give a shit what you question or do not question? It's not like you have any particular worthwhile insight into this issue.
Proof of what, douchebag?
I never said that I disagreed with your Labor Department numbers - I simply said that they do not tell the entire story, because they omit the long-term discouraged workers, and the underemployed workers If you believe that those additional groups that are omitted by the Labor Dept number that's been hovering around 9.5% are irrelevant, you are entitled to your opinion, even when it's wrong.
And frankly, why should I, or anyone else, for that matter, give a shit what you question or do not question? It's not like you have any particular worthwhile insight into this issue.First, you write that unemployment is the worst since the Great Depression, which is a lie. Anyone with a brain and a computer can view the historical statistics on US Bureau of Labor and Statistics website and see that unemployment rates were worse in 1982 and 1983.
Second, you write that the "adjusted" unemployment rate is over 20%, but you fail to disclose the source and you don't even bother to compare the number to a pre-recession "adjusted number." This also sounds very much like a lie. In earlier posts, I refer to it as "bullshit."
Third, you resort to name calling (douche bag, gas bag... you like "bags" for some reason) when you can't substantiate anything that you have written.
Therefore, I can only assume that you are a liar or that you have a tendency to exaggerate (to put it nicely). Nevertheless, I can't trust any of your reports or opinions on ISG and I don't think anyone would benefit to trust your reports either.
-Helpmann :)
Member #2041
08-17-10, 20:11
First, you write that unemployment is the worst since the Great Depression, which is a lie. Anyone with a brain and a computer can view the historical statistics on US Bureau of Labor and Statistics website and see that unemployment rates were worse in 1982 and 1983.
Second, you write that the "adjusted" unemployment rate is over 20%, but you fail to disclose the source and you don't even bother to compare the number to a pre-recession "adjusted number." This also sounds very much like a lie. In earlier posts, I refer to it as "bullshit."
Third, you resort to name calling (douche bag, gas bag... you like "bags" for some reason) when you can't substantiate anything that you have written.
Therefore, I can only assume that you are a liar or that you have a tendency to exaggerate (to put it nicely). Nevertheless, I can't trust any of your reports or opinions on ISG and I don't think anyone would benefit to trust your reports either.
-Helpmann :)
Calling you a douchbag is actually an insult to douche bags, but a compliment to you, Helpmann. You still never explained what I was supposed to PROVE? You are the one who seems to be making an argument when none was posited. Are you claiming that the economy is actually in good shape because the unemployment rate is ONLY 9.5%?
And as I said, you not trusting me troubles me not in the slightest - Why the hell would anyone give a shit what you think about anything? Is there any particular reason why anyone should care in the least what you have to say on this, or any other issue?
Also why don't you tell the rest of us how the underemployment and long-term discouraged numbers currently, compare with the period in the early '80s or the Great depression? As I said, the reason that I never made that comparison is because there were no reliable measurements of those stats back in those days. But they DO provide us with some insight as to how the situation today is actually worse than is reflected by a measured unemployment rate of 9.5%. At no point have you bothered to refute that point - rather you just made an ad hominem attack on me - which is why I called you a douchebag. And your claiming that I was quoting Rush Limbaugh is why I called you a gasbag. You richly earned those epithets.
...Also why don't you tell the rest of us how the underemployment and long-term discouraged numbers currently, compare with the period in the early '80s or the Great depression? As I said, the reason that I never made that comparison is because there were no reliable measurements of those stats back in those days. But they DO provide us with some insight as to how the situation today is actually worse than is reflected by a measured unemployment rate of 9.5%...The US economy is in awful shape. As reported by the US Bureau of Labor and Statistics (not some hack), US unemployment is the worst it has been in 27 years. The unemployment rate as measured by the US BLS is not a perfect measure, but it is a consistent measure, making it a useful tool when comparing historical unemployment statistics.
Yes, there are other numbers that should be considered such as underemployment and those that have left the job market; however, it's very irresponsible to say that these numbers are only significant in recessions. In good and bad times there is always underemployment and those that have been left out of the job market. If you believe that this is a phenomenon only attributable to recessions, then talk to African-Americans or Hispanics. Since 1990 and before this recession began, African-Americans were already averaging over 10% unemployment. These aren't stats that have been pulled out of my ass; these are stats that can be found on the US BLS website.
-Helpmann :)
Member #2041
08-17-10, 21:43
The US economy is in awful shape. As reported by the US Bureau of Labor and Statistics (not some hack), US unemployment is the worst it has been in 27 years. The unemployment rate as measured by the US BLS is not a perfect measure, but it is a consistent measure, making it a useful tool when comparing historical unemployment statistics.
Yes, there are other numbers that should be considered such as underemployment and those that have left the job market; however, it's very irresponsible to say that these numbers are only significant in recessions. In good and bad times there is always underemployment and those that have been left out of the job market. If you believe that this is a phenomenon only attributable to recessions, then talk to African-Americans or Hispanics. Since 1990 and before this recession began, African-Americans were already averaging over 10% unemployment. These aren't stats that have been pulled out of my ass; these are stats that can be found on the US BLS website.
-Helpmann :)
In point of fact, I never said any of that. But why am I not surprised that you are creating a bogus straw-man argument to knock down, for lack of anything better to say on the subject. It's simply true that the underemployment and long-term discouraged percentages are worse in recessions, and in particular, worse in THIS recession than at any time since those numbers have been calculated. But of course the issue always has existed, it's just become particularly acute for a broader swath of the population during this last recession. And yes, it has always hit African Americans harder than the population as a whole.
I also asked YOU to quantify the underemployment and long-term discouraged numbers, if you were unhappy with mine. I see that you have evaded that challenge. The fact that numbers come from other sources than the BLS is does not make them any less valid - it just means that they are not directly comparable to the numbers you used - but I was never comparing them to the BLS numbers in the first place - I was simply pointing out that the BLS numbers ignore several important factors - again, something that you were either unwilling or unable to refute, and as a result, you resorted to an ad hominem attack - which is why you earned the title of douchebag.
And for some reason, you seem to be hung up on comparing the current scenario to the 1980s. I wasn't ever making a case about our present situation being worse than the early 1980s - although I believe that it is, the basis for that belief is NOT the employment numbers - it's primarily due to the aggregate loss of wealth which has occurred due to the decline in home equity and stock portfolios, which has combined to thrash consumption more deeply than has ever been seen since the depression. The fact is, circa 2007, people were spending based on their home equity and the escalation of their stocks, and those sources of wealth have been drastically whacked in the past few years. Stocks have come half way back (the Dow went from 14K to 6.5K back now to ~10.5K), but home equity has not come back much at all.
And BTW, I haven't a clue where you got the bug up your ass to start calling me Rush Limbaugh. I'm a liberal Obama supporter who happens to disagree with Rush Limbaugh on just about every conceivable issue there is - other than the desirability of traveling to foreign countries to fuck hookers. All of what we are talking about here is a direct result of the policies that have been espoused by the likes of Limbaugh and the Right Wing for the past 30 years from Ronald Reagan up through the Cheney/Bush administration, which has basically wiped out the middle class in this country.
...I also asked YOU to quantify the underemployment and long-term discouraged numbers, if you were unhappy with mine. I see that you have evaded that challenge. The fact that numbers come from other sources than the BLS is does not make them any less valid - it just means that they are not directly comparable to the numbers you used - but I was never comparing them to the BLS numbers in the first place - I was simply pointing out that the BLS numbers ignore several important factors - again, something that you were either unwilling or unable to refute, and as a result, you resorted to an ad hominem attack...
The actual unemployment is certainly the worst since the Great Depression.First, this is untrue and for life of me you cannot admit it. Second, you want ME to check YOUR numbers. That's like asking ME to interview YOUR "Tijuana" hookers. It's your story, you prove it! Third, I call you Rush, because you're loose with the numbers. It's not because you're Liberal or Conservative. It's because you are working you're agenda, without regard to statistical proof or relevance.
-Helpmann :)
Member #2041
08-17-10, 23:41
First, this is untrue and for life of me you cannot admit it. Second, you want ME to check YOUR numbers. That's like asking ME to interview YOUR "Tijuana" hookers. It's your story, you prove it! Third, I call you Rush, because you're loose with the numbers. It's not because you're Liberal or Conservative. It's because you are working you're agenda, without regard to statistical proof or relevance.
-Helpmann :)
My story was, quite simply, an OPINION I never claimed anything else, hence there was never a NEED to PROVE it.
I made a general statement that Unemployment was worse than it had been in the past other than in the great depression, when the effects of long-term discouraged members of the labor force and the UNDERemployed were also considered. I also acknowledged that those two metrics had not been reliably kept in the past, so that a direct comparison of the numbers couldn't be made - thus, what I was stating had to be considered an opinion - however, it's a well informed opinion based upon purely anecdotal evidence.
You made an accusation that my claim, which actually was an opinion because the long term numbers didn't exist to prove it one way or another, was actually NOT an opinion, but rather, was an outright lie. So I challenged you to back up that accusation. It's now patently obvious that you can't. I DON'T want you to check my numbers. I want you to back up your assertion that my comments represent a lie rather than an opinion you happen to disagree with. You made the accusation - so now the onus is on you to prove that your accusation is not completely full of shit. Let's see it, or is arguing on this board simply the way you try to compensate for having been stuck with too small a dick? My OPINION is that is apparently the case.
And BTW, it's pretty damn clear that you don't have a fucking clue what my agenda is or is not, other than establishing that you are a blow-hard, which was, frankly, pretty damned easy to do.
And are you seriously claiming that the effect of long-term discouraged workers, and the UNDERemployed are actually IRRELEVANT to the current economic situation? The fact that the numbers don't exist for 30 some years ago doesn't in any way make them irrelevant TODAY.
My story was, quite simply, an OPINION I never claimed anything else, hence there was never a NEED to PROVE it.
I made a general statement that Unemployment was worse than it had been in the past other than in the great depression, when the effects of long-term discouraged members of the labor force and the UNDERemployed were also considered. I also acknowledged that those two metrics had not been reliably kept in the past, so that a direct comparison of the numbers couldn't be made - thus, what I was stating had to be considered an opinion - however, it's a well informed opinion based upon purely anecdotal evidence.
...Exactly! It's just an opinion. Nevertheless, an opinion backed-up by bogus numbers makes you a hack. What makes you Rush Limbaugh is your incessant need to reply to my posts (which are backed by factual statistics), with your posts, which are backed-up with bullshit.
BTW, I did prove one of your opinions (The Great Depression) wrong already. Unfortunately, I just don't have the time to "interview" every "Tijuana hooker."
-Helpmann :)
Member #2041
08-18-10, 00:25
Exactly! It's just an opinion. Nevertheless, an opinion backed-up by bogus numbers makes you a hack. What makes you Rush Limbaugh is your incessant need to reply to my posts (which are backed by factual statistics), with your posts, which are backed-up with bullshit.
BTW, I did prove one of your opinions (The Great Depression) wrong already. Unfortunately, I just don't have to time to "interview" every "Tijuana hooker."
-Helpmann :)
Being called a hack by the smallest dicked person on this forum doesn't bother me in the slightest. But I'd be remiss not to point out that I never said ANYTHING relative to this current downturn being as bad or worse than the great depression. So you obviously don't even have a clue what you are talking about, if the thing you supposedly "proved me wrong" about is not something that I ever even said, but is merely bogus straw-man you tilted at.
However, it's amusing to hear you now backtrack and admit that what you initially called a lie WAS actually merely an opinion you didn't agree with. We expect that sort of weasel-wording from your kind of douchebag.
Anyways, now that that's been established beyond any shadow of a doubt, it's well past time for you to be placed on my ignore list. It's been real - but for your sake, I hope you get yourself a penis enlargement before your misery prompts you to do some sort of drastic harm to yourself. Ciao!
...But I'd be remiss not to point out that I never said ANYTHING relative to this current downturn being as bad or worse than the great depression...
The actual unemployment is certainly the worst since the Great Depression.Ugghhhh read your comments above.
BTW, calling you "Rush Limbaugh" means that you are a BIG fat liar. Don't you get it?
-Helpmann :p
Australiasucks
08-18-10, 04:27
The numbers I stated were: 9.5-10% unemployment as measured. 16-17% if you included the long-term discouraged who are not currently counted in the Labor Dept. Metric, and another 7% or so UNDEREMPLOYED.
Over 20% comes from adding the under-employed who are part time employed to the long term discouraged who are not captured by the Labor Dept. statistics, plus the Labor statistics number. If you could read, you would know that was what I said. I never contradicted myself.
I surely never quoted Rush Limbaugh - he's nearly as much of a gasbag as Helpmann is. Admittedly, Helpmann might be too stupid to have comprehended what I said, hence his belief that my answer did not "flesh it out".The U6 gives the best measure of US joblessness, its around 16 percent. In better times it was around 10 percent, even when the US was boasting only 5 percent unemployment many years back. Regardless, the real unemployment numbers are probably closer to 20 percent. If you look at European, Australian, Canadian stats they provide a more realistic picture of the true rate than American calculations. Its highly unlikely there will be a serious turnaround in unemployment in the next five years.
And yes I think Obama is largely doomed to one term stint as President. I am even betting that he will not run for reelection, most likely the Democratic party will push Hilary or someone else to the forefront. All that Hope and Change up in smoke. I knew it was too good to be true.
I'm going to risk my sanity by saying this - but....
Helpmann, Member 2047 -
You guys, with your "tit-for-tat" behavior and your slinging of gratuitous ad hominem insults (cf. "Douchebag," "Rush Limbaugh") sound like American Women at their worst.
Gods above, what a cat-fight.
Let's get back to bitching ABOUT American women -
Not bitching LIKE American women!
(Yeah, go ahead and flame back. Get your attention off your tit-for-tat love-fest and flame a third party for a change. I won't flame back, I just hope this will JOLT YOU BACK to the original purpose of this forum - as stated in its title, "American WOMEN".)
Member #2041
08-18-10, 07:11
I'm going to risk my sanity by saying this - but....
Helpmann, Member 2047 -
You guys, with your "tit-for-tat" behavior and your slinging of gratuitous ad hominem insults (cf. "Douchebag," "Rush Limbaugh") sound like American Women at their worst.
Gods above, what a cat-fight.
Let's get back to bitching ABOUT American women -
Not bitching LIKE American women!
(Yeah, go ahead and flame back. Get your attention off your tit-for-tat love-fest and flame a third party for a change. I won't flame back, I just hope this will JOLT YOU BACK to the original purpose of this forum - as stated in its title, "American WOMEN".)
You're completely correct, I should have recognized him for the troll he is sooner. My apologies for not putting Helpmann on my ignore list right after that pissing exchange got going. In any case, it's now been taken care of, and it won't happen again. Now back to the subject at hand.
...You guys, with your "tit-for-tat" behavior and your slinging of gratuitous ad hominem insults (cf. "Douchebag," "Rush Limbaugh") sound like American Women at their worst.
Gods above, what a cat-fight.
Let's get back to bitching ABOUT American women -
Not bitching LIKE American women...Westy - I agree with you and you should feel free to change the subject. Member 2041 is a troll and offers nothing, but unsubstantiated opinions and an incessant need to reply to my posts.
-Helpmann :)
CherchezFemme
08-18-10, 12:52
I've had a naughty idea on my mind for a while and I've been running through diff't scenarios in my head when all of a sudden, I realized : instead of trying to do it all myself, here on ISG I have access to a tremendous resource: some of the craftiest, dirtiest, most perverted and experienced minds in the game!
The situation: ultimately I still would like a shot at marrying or at least having kids with a younger (I'm 36) AW. Like many others on here, its not going so well, for whatever reason, with the the kind of woman I'm interested in. However, I have an ace up my sleeve: I used to be a teacher.
I would like to try to use that to meet up some of my ex-students who are now older than 18 and hook up with them. This is not a new idea by any means: I've had 3 ex-colleagues who married former students, as well as a high school teacher who shacked up with one less than a year after she graduated HS.
I've only run this idea by one person, a friend who has kids by 3 different women and is now married to a hottie 15 years his junior. He said that if he was in my shoes and an ex-student contacted him on facebook or whatever, game over: he would be all over them. However, he thinks it wouldn't be cool to approach them first.
Though I think its kind of perverted, is it really though? Or is it just the toxic shame instilled in me by society and/or religion? Men throughout history have used whatvever means necessary to get women and sex. Power, wealth, influence, higher social status, anything and everything is fair game. Also, I am interested in having children and a serious relationship, not just having sex. I would rather have children with a young, fertile woman than an older woman in say her mid-30s.
I would like some advice from forum members on how you would approach this situation. I am thinking of two girls off the top of my head. They are both 19/20 now btw. I taught them 5 years ago. They are from the town I taught in at the beginning of my career. I have them in mind because a) I remember them, since we got along and used to chat; I would even say we had a little connection above and beyond what I had with other female students b) they're gorgeous and c) they come from the kind of ethnic background where this may be "tolerated". This town is a poorer, mostly Hispanic community. Both girls are Puerto Rican/Dominican, a community where early pregnancy is quite common and going with older men is not as looked down upon as it is in others. I'm also pretty sure they are going to school locally, as they prob. cant afford to go away to college.
Girl A, let's call her Claudia, is very mature for her age and I once saw her, at 14 yo, on a date with a man at least 10 years older. She is very confident and intelligent; I can see her being very independent and open-minded. Only possible downside is she has a huge family, a lot of brothers, and uncles, and I can see them not liking her dating me. Of course she is smart and would prob hide it from them at first.
Girl B, let's call her Diana, was very good friends with Claudia. As opposed to Claudia, she was always a little sad, more introspective, yet she liked to flirt and joke around too. I doubt she has the same family situation as Claudia. I saw on her FB page she is very interested in art, she may actually be studying it in college or at least doing it as a hobby. I could bullshit her and say 'Whatever happened to your interest in art? I remember you mentioned it a few times?'
I often wanted to ask her why she was sad but I never did. Is this something I can use to approach her on FB about? Show concern over how she's doing and regretting I didn't ask her before?
I think students from that kind of background are a much more fertile terrain than my ex-students from wealthy, lily-white high schools who are now away in college. I can only imagine them saying "Eww, gross, my old teacher wrote to me on FB!"
Re: how to approach them, right now FB is the obvious choice. I could try to hang out in their town once in a while, but I think time-wise its probably a waste. And what if I do see them and they're with a guy? Now even if we talk, it would be weird to ask her for number.
What do you guys think? I want to try this idea soon.
i've had a naughty idea on my mind for a while: i would like to try to use {former teacher status} to meet up some of my ex-students who are now older than 18 and hook up with them. i've only run this idea by ... a friend who has kids by 3 different women and is now married to a hottie 15 years his junior. he said that if he was in my shoes and an ex-student contacted him on facebook or whatever, game over: he would be all over them. however, he thinks it wouldn't be cool to approach them first.
though i think {this idea is} kind of perverted, is it really though? or is it just the toxic shame instilled in me by society and/or religion?... i am interested in having children and a serious relationship, not just having sex. i would rather have children with a young, fertile woman than an older woman in say her mid-30s.
i am thinking of two girls off the top of my head ... i have them in mind because a) i remember them, since we got along and used to chat; i would even say we had a little connection above and beyond what i had with other female students b) they're gorgeous and c) they come from the kind of ethnic background where this may be "tolerated".
i think students from that kind of background are a much more fertile terrain than my ex-students from wealthy, lily-white high schools who are now away in college. i can only imagine them saying "eww, gross, my old teacher wrote to me on fb!"
re: how to approach them, right now fb {facebook} is the obvious choice. i could try to hang out in their town once in a while, but i think time-wise its probably a waste. and what if i do see them and they're with a guy? now even if we talk, it would be weird to ask her for number.
what do you guys think? i want to try this idea soon. oooh, yeahhhh ... this is definitely depraved by aw standards, unless it's the cougars themselves who are out on the prowl. it's a time-honored fantasy, too - on both sides: ever heard "don't stand so close to me" by the police? (sting was a former english teacher....)
that said, you could be tiptoeing through a minefield. it would depend on her having some "chemistry" for you in the first place. was there a schoolgirl crush on "mr. nabokov, tenth grade, third period"? was there some emotion on her part behind that teenage banter? very risky if there wasn't. still pretty risky, even if there was; a suspicious relative, or a passel of suspicious relatives, could be "hazardous to your health".
please make utterly sure that the young woman is indeed past "the age of consent." i also believe you'd have to play this very light. if you come on to her, that's gonna smell awful cheesy; i think you'll need to get "[CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)" to come on to you.
will those schoolgirl crushes have left enough residual chemistry for her warm fuzzy feelings to re-awaken?
mmmmmm ... have to fantasize on that one. :d
A very wise man once told me that "If it flies, floats, or f#$cks rent it. I think this may be true in your case to avoid any possible pitfalls.
I've had a naughty idea on my mind for a while and I've been running through diff't scenarios in my head when all of a sudden, I realized : instead of trying to do it all myself, here on ISG I have access to a tremendous resource: some of the craftiest, dirtiest, most perverted and experienced minds in the game!
The situation: ultimately I still would like a shot at marrying or at least having kids with a younger (I'm 36) AW. Like many others on here, its not going so well, for whatever reason, with the the kind of woman I'm interested in. However, I have an ace up my sleeve: I used to be a teacher.
I would like to try to use that to meet up some of my ex-students who are now older than 18 and hook up with them. This is not a new idea by any means: I've had 3 ex-colleagues who married former students, as well as a high school teacher who shacked up with one less than a year after she graduated HS.
I've only run this idea by one person, a friend who has kids by 3 different women and is now married to a hottie 15 years his junior. He said that if he was in my shoes and an ex-student contacted him on facebook or whatever, game over: he would be all over them. However, he thinks it wouldn't be cool to approach them first.
Though I think its kind of perverted, is it really though? Or is it just the toxic shame instilled in me by society and/or religion? Men throughout history have used whatvever means necessary to get women and sex. Power, wealth, influence, higher social status, anything and everything is fair game. Also, I am interested in having children and a serious relationship, not just having sex. I would rather have children with a young, fertile woman than an older woman in say her mid-30s.
I would like some advice from forum members on how you would approach this situation. I am thinking of two girls off the top of my head. They are both 19/20 now btw. I taught them 5 years ago. They are from the town I taught in at the beginning of my career. I have them in mind because a) I remember them, since we got along and used to chat; I would even say we had a little connection above and beyond what I had with other female students b) they're gorgeous and c) they come from the kind of ethnic background where this may be "tolerated". This town is a poorer, mostly Hispanic community. Both girls are Puerto Rican/Dominican, a community where early pregnancy is quite common and going with older men is not as looked down upon as it is in others. I'm also pretty sure they are going to school locally, as they prob. cant afford to go away to college.
Girl A, let's call her Claudia, is very mature for her age and I once saw her, at 14 yo, on a date with a man at least 10 years older. She is very confident and intelligent; I can see her being very independent and open-minded. Only possible downside is she has a huge family, a lot of brothers, and uncles, and I can see them not liking her dating me. Of course she is smart and would prob hide it from them at first.
Girl B, let's call her Diana, was very good friends with Claudia. As opposed to Claudia, she was always a little sad, more introspective, yet she liked to flirt and joke around too. I doubt she has the same family situation as Claudia. I saw on her FB page she is very interested in art, she may actually be studying it in college or at least doing it as a hobby. I could bullshit her and say 'Whatever happened to your interest in art? I remember you mentioned it a few times?'
I often wanted to ask her why she was sad but I never did. Is this something I can use to approach her on FB about? Show concern over how she's doing and regretting I didn't ask her before?
I think students from that kind of background are a much more fertile terrain than my ex-students from wealthy, lily-white high schools who are now away in college. I can only imagine them saying "Eww, gross, my old teacher wrote to me on FB!"
Re: how to approach them, right now FB is the obvious choice. I could try to hang out in their town once in a while, but I think time-wise its probably a waste. And what if I do see them and they're with a guy? Now even if we talk, it would be weird to ask her for number.
What do you guys think? I want to try this idea soon.
Bango Cheito
08-18-10, 20:20
If it's an EX student and she is of age I fail to see the problem....
A very wise man once told me that "If it flies, floats, or f#$cks rent it. I think this may be true in your case to avoid any possible pitfalls.
Yes, a lesson I haven't learned all that well, either. Two out of three is all I've gotten, though - a Piper Tri-pacer airplane and a MacGregor trailer-yacht. Couple of young ladies along the way that MIGHT have gotten me to take them in, but they showed the wrong "true colors" in time for me to back away.
If it floats, fucks or flies, it's better to lease than to buy.
Gentleman Travel
08-19-10, 19:25
I would like to try to use that to meet up some of my ex-students who are now older than 18 and hook up with them. This is not a new idea by any means: I've had 3 ex-colleagues who married former students, as well as a high school teacher who shacked up with one less than a year after she graduated HS.
I've only run this idea by one person, a friend who has kids by 3 different women and is now married to a hottie 15 years his junior. He said that if he was in my shoes and an ex-student contacted him on facebook or whatever, game over: he would be all over them. However, he thinks it wouldn't be cool to approach them first.
Though I think its kind of perverted, is it really though?
No, it is not perverted, it is normal.
Girls like figures of authority and lots of teachers dated and married their students - probably a lot harder and more dangerous to do today though.
But that does not apply to you. The day you stopped being their teacher is the day it became open season for you (once they turned 18).
Who cares if some of these ex-students might not react well? They will simply not respond or block you. Big deal. That is the beauty of internet dating and social networks - rejection is impersonal and no big deal. Move on to the next one.
However, I think you over-estimate your secret weapon - having been their teacher. Sure, many girls might have had a crush on you or would have been thrilled to date a teacher when they were in high school. But once they have moved on in life (you say it has been 5 years) their ideas of who is cool will have changed.
You may be right to target these two PR/DR girls who may well still be interested in open to your advances. Go for it! But many of the other girls will have grown up and have different ambitions now. I am not sure those are fertile fields. But again, what is the harm in trying?
Hey, if it has been 5 years, is there a 5 year reunion coming up?
Actually, I guess every year is a reunion year for teachers.
You should start showing up at those.
But frankly I don't think AW are your best market. It will always be difficult to find girls willing to date a 10+ year age gap, your lucky friend notwithstanding. And those PR/DR girls, it may be great to date and fuck them, but even they are not likely to be thinking of marriage and kids yet. That doesn't start until after 25 for most AW.
What I don't get is why you want to go the AW route at all, when you are in an ideal situation to work the international market. You are familiar with the Eastern European market and that seems like the most fertile ground. LOTS of those women would LOVE to find a youthful, mature, employed American male who wants to start a family. The disadvantage most of us operate under is we are not really interested in a LTR or marriage, whereas you are.
And don't get spooked by all the stuff you read here about the EE women are only after the green card and half your money. Sure lots of them are, but you have to watch for sharks everywhere. There are also lots and lots of EE women (and presumably SA as well, but I don't know that market) who genuinely want to find a stable, healthy relationship to start a family in a safe and prosperous place. They know they cannot find that at home. Certainly you could manage a 10 year spread there.
In the meantime bang the two teenagers if you can, but don't expect that to blossom into a healthy marriage.
Good luck and happy hunting!
Well put, GT. You've filled in some boxes that I'd left blank.
"Teacher's Pet" is a popular fantasy, and by no longer working in the school system, CF is not "being a predator" as long as the girls are beyond the Age Of Consent. Your suggestion of checking out a class reunion is good, too, as long as he can do so; he may see the coast is clear, but if things have changed he won't "drop cool for fool".
I think your best argument, though, is that offshore is a better hunting ground. (Which is kind of the thesis of ISG, isn't it?)
Australiasucks
08-19-10, 23:37
No, it is not perverted, it is normal.
Girls like figures of authority and lots of teachers dated and married their students - probably a lot harder and more dangerous to do today though.
But that does not apply to you. The day you stopped being their teacher is the day it became open season for you (once they turned 18).
Who cares if some of these ex-students might not react well? They will simply not respond or block you. Big deal. That is the beauty of internet dating and social networks - rejection is impersonal and no big deal. Move on to the next one.
However, I think you over-estimate your secret weapon - having been their teacher. Sure, many girls might have had a crush on you or would have been thrilled to date a teacher when they were in high school. But once they have moved on in life (you say it has been 5 years) their ideas of who is cool will have changed.
You may be right to target these two PR/DR girls who may well still be interested in open to your advances. Go for it! But many of the other girls will have grown up and have different ambitions now. I am not sure those are fertile fields. But again, what is the harm in trying?
Hey, if it has been 5 years, is there a 5 year reunion coming up?
Actually, I guess every year is a reunion year for teachers.
You should start showing up at those.
But frankly I don't think AW are your best market. It will always be difficult to find girls willing to date a 10+ year age gap, your lucky friend notwithstanding. And those PR/DR girls, it may be great to date and fuck them, but even they are not likely to be thinking of marriage and kids yet. That doesn't start until after 25 for most AW.
What I don't get is why you want to go the AW route at all, when you are in an ideal situation to work the international market. You are familiar with the Eastern European market and that seems like the most fertile ground. LOTS of those women would LOVE to find a youthful, mature, employed American male who wants to start a family. The disadvantage most of us operate under is we are not really interested in a LTR or marriage, whereas you are.
And don't get spooked by all the stuff you read here about the EE women are only after the green card and half your money. Sure lots of them are, but you have to watch for sharks everywhere. There are also lots and lots of EE women (and presumably SA as well, but I don't know that market) who genuinely want to find a stable, healthy relationship to start a family in a safe and prosperous place. They know they cannot find that at home. Certainly you could manage a 10 year spread there.
In the meantime bang the two teenagers if you can, but don't expect that to blossom into a healthy marriage.
Good luck and happy hunting!I know quite a few Australians who married Eastern European women, once they got their papers, they ran for the door. Many of them are interested in an American or other affluent male mostly to get out of their difficult lives back home. They tend to change once they get to the US or other western country. Keeping a relationship with these women is a risky proposition.
I know quite a few Australians who married Eastern European women, once they got their papers, they ran for the door. Many of them are interested in an American or other affluent male mostly to get out of their difficult lives back home. They tend to change once they get to the US or other western country. Keeping a relationship with these women is a risky proposition.Ah, yes, the sharks. But they aren't all sharks.
I can't blame a woman for wanting to go to "The Land Of Opportunity," especially on the arm of a wealthy (by home standards) native of that "Land". At the root of this is sheer survival, and "the ugly American" (tip of the hat to Bill Lederer) represents a door to a better life. Why wouldn't a woman in a poor country reach out for a "lonely" guy from a rich country?
I've had some interesting afternoons, when I was being sent OCONUS on "The King's Shilling" (tip of the hat to Rudyard Kipling), explaining to my local colleagues how the "dazzling" salary I got was offset by the "astounding" high prices of life in the USA. "That beer would cost four times as much in my local pub. Our dinners at this nice restaurant cost less than a Happy Meal at McDonald's in my neighborhood. And a two-bedroom apartment in the Washington DC suburbs would cost $1500 to $2000 a month; that's more than you said you're paying for a YEAR!"
"The point is, I am only 'rich' in your country because the cost of living is so much lower here than it is in the USA."
So ... what happens when we "take advantage of the local prices" and sweep a young senorita off her feet and into our bed? Then into marriage, and back home to your normal life? Once you get her back to the USA, for example, she's apt to find that her life is certainly easier than back home, but not as luxurious as she'd dreamed. If she's a "Senorita Cartaverde" type, though, now she's got that magic Green Card - and as the law-firms' advertisements trumpet on daytime TV, "If you've got a phone, you've got a lawyer!" The rest is writ large - "I get the house, you get the payments."
Not every South American, or Eastern European, or South-East Asian, young lovely you see will be a "Senorita Cartaverde" type. But it's going to take some careful vetting to be as sure as you can be about it. Living together in her homeland for an extended period might help, especially if you don't live beyond what your means could afford back home.
Being retired, I would do better myself to move someplace where my pension is "princely" on the local economy. Then I could say, "Cara mia, we can live here very well as we are. But if we move to the USA we'll be poor. Wouldn't you prefer to live here?"
CherchezFemme
08-20-10, 22:57
First, I apologize for the length of my post. I should have summarized it thusly:
"If you were going to get in touch with an ex-student, WHAT would you say?"
I'm looking for ideas on how to approach them.
-yes they are all over age and out of high school
-this is not something that I'm going to spend a lot of time on, as there are not many possible targets
-I don't think many will remember me, especially the two girls I described, unfortunately. So really this is just more mental masturbation than anything else BUT you never know since, as stated by some of you, it is a common fantasy amongst students
CherchezFemme
08-20-10, 23:19
What I don't get is why you want to go the AW route at all, when you are in an ideal situation to work the international market. You are familiar with the Eastern European market and that seems like the most fertile ground. .
Thanks for the thoughts. I still think there is a chance with AW, as I do believe there is merit in an old Italian proverb "Wives and oxen from your own towns"
There are good girls out there and right now I think this is just an interesting experiment.
And am I really familiar with the EE market? I've fucked about 15 hookers and spent about 15 days total in Czech and 5 in Slovakia.
One of my closest friends is Russian and dates them exclusively and they are terrifying in their greed and rapaciousness. I do worry about how I could possibly unearth one who does not think an x5, restaurants every week and a huge closet are a minimum requirement.
Also, as you know, I am unemployed and though I should be getting a 3 month unemployment extension, after that the future is murky. I will prob be going back to college and I'm not sure how that will fit in with going abroad and looking for a possible wife.
DJ FourMoney
08-21-10, 19:38
I know quite a few Australians who married Eastern European women, once they got their papers, they ran for the door. Many of them are interested in an American or other affluent male mostly to get out of their difficult lives back home. They tend to change once they get to the US or other western country. Keeping a relationship with these women is a risky proposition.
Its only risky if your thinking with your small head... Despite the propaganda sold by services/agencies all around the net, you can find somebody over there.
While its been impacted by the West (especially Ukraine, Czech Republic) in a negative way, Russia is still a very closed society as many people will not bother with the Visa process to get in and they make so difficult, especially young women to get out with nothing tying them back to the country.
Also the economies have been improving in these countries for awhile and while still not up to Western Standards, America is pretty much a 3rd World Country that doesn't know it yet. Once the infrastructure crumbles some more people will have a better idea.
Tales of Woe to be honest don't bother me, the divorce rate is much higher in the US with US women than the failure rate of foreign women. The guy never wants to take the blame for making the mistake.
DJ FourMoney
08-21-10, 20:03
Ah, yes, the sharks. But they aren't all sharks.
I can't blame a woman for wanting to go to "The Land Of Opportunity," especially on the arm of a wealthy (by home standards) native of that "Land". At the root of this is sheer survival, and "the ugly American" (tip of the hat to Bill Lederer) represents a door to a better life. Why wouldn't a woman in a poor country reach out for a "lonely" guy from a rich country?
I've had some interesting afternoons, when I was being sent OCONUS on "The King's Shilling" (tip of the hat to Rudyard Kipling), explaining to my local colleagues how the "dazzling" salary I got was offset by the "astounding" high prices of life in the USA. "That beer would cost four times as much in my local pub. Our dinners at this nice restaurant cost less than a Happy Meal at McDonald's in my neighborhood. And a two-bedroom apartment in the Washington DC suburbs would cost $1500 to $2000 a month; that's more than you said you're paying for a YEAR!"
"The point is, I am only 'rich' in your country because the cost of living is so much lower here than it is in the USA."
So ... what happens when we "take advantage of the local prices" and sweep a young senorita off her feet and into our bed? Then into marriage, and back home to your normal life? Once you get her back to the USA, for example, she's apt to find that her life is certainly easier than back home, but not as luxurious as she'd dreamed. If she's a "Senorita Cartaverde" type, though, now she's got that magic Green Card - and as the law-firms' advertisements trumpet on daytime TV, "If you've got a phone, you've got a lawyer!" The rest is writ large - "I get the house, you get the payments."
Not every South American, or Eastern European, or South-East Asian, young lovely you see will be a "Senorita Cartaverde" type. But it's going to take some careful vetting to be as sure as you can be about it. Living together in her homeland for an extended period might help, especially if you don't live beyond what your means could afford back home.
Being retired, I would do better myself to move someplace where my pension is "princely" on the local economy. Then I could say, "Cara mia, we can live here very well as we are. But if we move to the USA we'll be poor. Wouldn't you prefer to live here?"
+1
As many have stated that have chased and found their foreign wife and are still married a decade or more, many women are happy to be driving a Toyota Corolla and shopping at Target/Wal-Mart. As long as you bring home enough money so she can buy the things she NEEDS not DESIRES, 90% of the women are content.
They also believe that no woman would put up with the 1-3 year process it takes to get your Green Card. Of course they would these guys don't understand Women at all, but be that as it may, these women are easy to spot.
I have spoken before about the vetting process around here before and it applies as much at home as it does on the road, it doesn't matter. If most of you keep saying "Women are the same everywhere" that is true of the vetting process, don't let common sense take a vacation when you do.
I also agree spending as much time as possible with the woman in question will reveal a TON especially at home where she's most comfortable. From how she treats her children to how she treats you/others. Women are not quite as smart as they think they are, especially those without any psychological training they are still doing things based on "feeling" use this to your advantage.
I also think men mis-interrupt things that might be thought of as Red Flags, like having an excellent command of English, having traveled extensively or even desiring to come to America. Look our propaganda works does it not? If it didn't people wouldn't come to America. Even with our economic and political problems that has hardly slowed down the Green Card Lotteries.
As I said guys won't take the blame and just say "I married the wrong woman".
DJ FourMoney
08-21-10, 20:23
Thanks for the thoughts. I still think there is a chance with AW, as I do believe there is merit in an old Italian proverb "Wives and oxen from your own towns"
There are good girls out there and right now I think this is just an interesting experiment.
And am I really familiar with the EE market? I've fucked about 15 hookers and spent about 15 days total in Czech and 5 in Slovakia.
One of my closest friends is Russian and dates them exclusively and they are terrifying in their greed and rapaciousness. I do worry about how I could possibly unearth one who does not think an x5, restaurants every week and a huge closet are a minimum requirement.
Also, as you know, I am unemployed and though I should be getting a 3 month unemployment extension, after that the future is murky. I will prob be going back to college and I'm not sure how that will fit in with going abroad and looking for a possible wife.
Go back to school, join me! The economy is going to be crappy for at least another 5-10 years, might as well take advantage of it and go to school. That's how I see it. I also qualified for UI and while its not alot, my expenses are low which means if I'm very careful I can still travel, so can you.
I am still keeping AW in the running only because its the least expensive upfront investment. But to be honest that's only if you find somebody local and they are bohemian in mindset. It can be just as expensive to date constantly over a 2-3 years span, in fact more expensive than to "pluck a girl out of obscurity".
Think it about it. I know its propaganda but over on the AFA web site they recently ran a show that put in perspective how expensive it can be to find a woman in the US.
Its true though, if you date 2-3 women a week at $100-200 a date, it gets really expensive really fast. If you read all the information available to you, you could sneak into South America, Asia or Eastern Europe and find somebody worthwhile and spend a whole lot less.
That's one of the things I'm working out and want to improve on from the last time. Which is instead of spending $5,000 or so running around Europe and end up with nothing, why not a laser focus, find the right girl by using the vetting process to my advantage and end up successful.
We mentioned this earlier in this thread, the days of father's paying you to take their daughter off their hands is long over, at any level its going to be an investment unless the woman found you, which is highly unlikely.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney,
I am still keeping AW in the running only because its the least expensive upfront investment. But to be honest that's only if you find somebody local and they are bohemian in mindset. It can be just as expensive to date constantly over a 2-3 years span, in fact more expensive than to "pluck a girl out of obscurity".
Think it about it. I know its propaganda but over on the AFA web site they recently ran a show that put in perspective how expensive it can be to find a woman in the US.
Its true though, if you date 2-3 women a week at $100-200 a date, it gets really expensive really fast. If you read all the information available to you, you could sneak into South America, Asia or Eastern Europe and find somebody worthwhile and spend a whole lot less.
That's one of the things I'm working out and want to improve on from the last time. Which is instead of spending $5, 000 or so running around Europe and end up with nothing, why not a laser focus, find the right girl by using the vetting process to my advantage and end up successful.
We mentioned this earlier in this thread, the days of father's paying you to take their daughter off their hands is long over, at any level its going to be an investment unless the woman found you, which is highly unlikely.[/QUOTE]Just to give a different prospective on what is still available in some places. This may break many people's beliefs and expectations.
I have one girl friend. We went to a restaurant only one time. I paid about $15. She said "this is the last time we went to a restaurant, we do not want to waste money anymore".
To give a better idea, she's about 10 years younger than me, early 20s, good-looking slim, dark skin. Crazy in fucking, very similar to Brazilieras, actually looks line one. But this is in Central Asia. The only problem with her is difficult to get rid off her in order to date other girls.
First I get shocked when meeting such girls after you get used to all the bullshit you see in the West, especially in USA.
People here talk about working out, money, education, developing some theories, etc. Still there are some unbelievably nice girls who would not give a shit about this stuff. Sometimes it is much simpler than you think, do not really need to waste time for all the bullshit trying to impress the biyotches you are used to, just have to be in the right place where you find different types of girls.
DJ FourMoney
08-22-10, 09:40
Just to give a different prospective on what is still available in some places. This may break many people's beliefs and expectations.
I have one girl friend. We went to a restaurant only one time. I paid about $15. She said "this is the last time we went to a restaurant, we do not want to waste money anymore".
To give a better idea, she's about 10 years younger than me, early 20s, good-looking slim, dark skin. Crazy in fucking, very similar to Brazilieras, actually looks line one. But this is in Central Asia. The only problem with her is difficult to get rid off her in order to date other girls.
First I get shocked when meeting such girls after you get used to all the bullshit you see in the West, especially in USA.
People here talk about working out, money, education, developing some theories, etc. Still there are some unbelievably nice girls who would not give a shit about this stuff. Sometimes it is much simpler than you think, do not really need to waste time for all the bullshit trying to impress the biyotches you are used to, just have to be in the right place where you find different types of girls.
I agree, my assumption is that darker girls in central Asia are not popular. I believe this myself because in most cultures even in Asia "White Makes Right" and Koreans are lightening their skin believe it or not.
So yes many men could be quite a bit of mileage out of focusing on darker skinned Asian women if you like Asians.
In FSU its just a numbers thing. Because of the non-Visa requirement in the Ukraine, that destination is so popular with Marriage Agency Tours that they don't even bother with Russia anymore.
But there's still the problem of going after forbidden fruit. You figure likely do to industry propaganda, you can "round up" your what's normally attracted too you. I say that's complete utter BS. If you can get hot women locally then there's no reason to assume you can't do it elsewhere. But if you can only get 6-7s, maybe 8's on occasion (girls that don't value looks as highly) and be more than happy.
So like most things in life moderation is the key... Don't go after the best looking chick, find the next best girl.
Azmodeus Fl
08-22-10, 12:10
In Asian cultures light skin is a sign of status. If you are light you are not a common worker and are considered to be rich in that you don't have to work. In my opinion I prefer the olive skin skin as they look healthier and prettier.
I agree, my assumption is that girls in central Asia are not popular. I believe this myself because in most cultures even in Asia "White Makes Right" and Koreans are lightening their skin believe it or not.
So yes many men could be quite a bit of mileage out of focusing on darker skinned Asian women if you like Asians.
In FSU its just a numbers thing. Because of the non-Visa requirement in the Ukraine, that destination is so popular with Marriage Agency Tours that they don't even bother with Russia anymore.
But there's still the problem of going after forbidden fruit. You figure likely do to industry propaganda, you can "round up" your what's normally attracted too you. I say that's complete utter BS. If you can get hot women locally then there's no reason to assume you can't do it elsewhere. But if you can only get 6-7s, maybe 8's on occasion (girls that don't value looks as highly) and be more than happy.
So like most things in life moderation is the key... Don't go after the best looking chick, find the next best girl.
ThatGuy865
08-22-10, 18:40
The guy never wants to take the blame for making the mistake.So this must hold true for guys who marry and then it doesn't work out to AW also. So maybe marriage is hard period.
ThatGuy865
08-22-10, 18:49
Just to give a different prospective on what is still available in some places. This may break many people's beliefs and expectations.
I have one girl friend. We went to a restaurant only one time. I paid about $15. She said "this is the last time we went to a restaurant, we do not want to waste money anymore".
To give a better idea, she's about 10 years younger than me, early 20s, good-looking slim, dark skin. Crazy in fucking, very similar to Brazilieras, actually looks line one. But this is in Central Asia. The only problem with her is difficult to get rid off her in order to date other girls.
First I get shocked when meeting such girls after you get used to all the bullshit you see in the West, especially in USA.
People here talk about working out, money, education, developing some theories, etc. Still there are some unbelievably nice girls who would not give a shit about this stuff. Sometimes it is much simpler than you think, do not really need to waste time for all the bullshit trying to impress the biyotches you are used to, just have to be in the right place where you find different types of girls.The big flaw to your whole argument is Central Asia. Who the hell wants to live there just for easy women. Also the language barrier, customs. A whole host of issues.
I agree, my assumption is that darker girls in central Asia are not popular. I believe this myself because in most cultures even in Asia "White Makes Right" and Koreans are lightening their skin believe it or not.
So yes many men could be quite a bit of mileage out of focusing on darker skinned Asian women if you like Asians.I did not try to make a point about her skin color, it was only a description. It does not matter there. You could get the same treatment from completely white girls. It is the culture, the traditions, most girls are still family oriented and respect men. That's what I mean. At least I have seen in many cases there women are trying to save my money in contrast to many women in USA who have tried to suck money out of me as much as possible.
It is a common belief that women in USA are more independent, have good jobs, and thus money, which is true. But for some reason they are also greedier for money too.
But there's still the problem of going after forbidden fruit. You figure likely do to industry propaganda, you can "round up" your what's normally attracted too you. I say that's complete utter BS. If you can get hot women locally then there's no reason to assume you can't do it elsewhere. But if you can only get 6-7s, maybe 8's on occasion (girls that don't value looks as highly) and be more than happy.
So like most things in life moderation is the key. Don't go after the best looking chick, find the next best girl.So far I've an opportunity to get married with at least 2 model looking chicas there. Of course they know they are beautiful but behave very modest and very quite. One has even been trying to impress me how she cooks, also cleans up her home. In USA she would have a long line of guys after her trying to impress her with their crap.
It is just different from the West. They have different standards and were brought up in a different way. You can meet a really beautiful girl who tries to impress you with her "taking care of house and cooling" skills. Also does not fuck around. I bet you do not see this stuff often in USA.
The big flaw to your whole argument is Central Asia. Who the hell wants to live there just for easy women. Also the language barrier, customs. A whole host of issues.I guess I was not clear enough that you mostly missed my point.
Easy women? Of course plenty of available women, but if you read Central Asia threads, it is not that easy, compared to other places. It is definitely not a mongering place. If one wants just easy sex they better go to SA, SEA, Europe.
I was talking about the values, family traditions and non feminist culture. With some money you can have the life style as in USA or even much better, plus social life is 1000% better. That's the difference.
And the fact is that not many people want to go there is actually the advantage. The place is not screwed up so much yet as Europe, South America and Asia. Those few American who manage to be there are extremely happy. It is far, expensive to get there, visa problems etc... So its good for the few.
ThatGuy865
08-23-10, 18:49
I guess I was not clear enough that you mostly missed my point.
Easy women? Of course plenty of available women, but if you read Central Asia threads, it is not that easy, compared to other places. It is definitely not a mongering place. If one wants just easy sex they better go to SA, SEA, Europe.
I was talking about the values, family traditions and non feminist culture. With some money you can have the life style as in USA or even much better, plus social life is 1000% better. That's the difference.
And the fact is that not many people want to go there is actually the advantage. The place is not screwed up so much yet as Europe, South America and Asia. Those few American who manage to be there are extremely happy. It is far, expensive to get there, visa problems etc... So its good for the few.There is no country in central Asia that has a life style of the US. You may be able to get a nice house. But you still have to deal witrh the infrastructure of the place. The lack there of. Medical conditions. Food. A whole host of issues. If you have to live in bum fuck backwoods somewhere. Just to have what you consider a good woman. Then you are set. You will have a good life and won't have to worry about your haven being spoiled. The mere fact you won't name this haven of yours. Leaves me to believe its a dump the average westerner wouldn't want to live at anyway. There are people happy in prison. That doesn't make it a great place to go.
There is no country in central Asia that has a life style of the US. You may be able to get a nice house. But you still have to deal witrh the infrastructure of the place. The lack there of. Medical conditions. Food. A whole host of issues.
If you really want to see third world living conditions in America try visiting parts of rural Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, you'll be shocked.
There is no country in central Asia that has a life style of the US. You may be able to get a nice house. But you still have to deal witrh the infrastructure of the place. The lack there of. Medical conditions. Food. A whole host of issues. If you have to live in bum fuck backwoods somewhere. Just to have what you consider a good woman. Then you are set. You will have a good life and won't have to worry about your haven being spoiled. The mere fact you won't name this haven of yours. Leaves me to believe its a dump the average westerner wouldn't want to live at anyway. There are people happy in prison. That doesn't make it a great place to go.Haha, have you been there? Looks like have not. So you have no idea what you are talking about. What 90% Americans can only dream of is available there. I see nothing wrong to be in a beautiful city, clean streets, safety, nice architecture, history, beautiful women, museums, theaters, low prices, cheap transportation, nice food, etc. Average American will never ever have this in USA. They can only chug cheap crap called beer and watch TV. Sorry about that.
DJ FourMoney
08-24-10, 19:23
If you really want to see third world living conditions in America try visiting parts of rural Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, you'll be shocked.
Appalachian Mountains as well, rural PA/VA/NC/SC are very poor. But yeah funny enough those "Bible Belt" states have high rates of poverty and teenage child birth.
Appalachian Mountains as well, rural PA/VA/NC/SC are very poor. But yeah funny enough those "Bible Belt" states have high rates of poverty and teenage child birth.From what I have seen every US city has really fucked up areas. Just look in google for Detroit slams. Almost no different from Rio favelas. But if consider people quality(education , culture and women), Eastern European slams are much better than USA slams.
Bango Cheito
08-24-10, 22:14
There is no country in central Asia that has a life style of the US. You may be able to get a nice house. But you still have to deal witrh the infrastructure of the place. The lack there of. Medical conditions. Food. A whole host of issues. If you have to live in bum fuck backwoods somewhere. Just to have what you consider a good woman. Then you are set. You will have a good life and won't have to worry about your haven being spoiled. The mere fact you won't name this haven of yours. Leaves me to believe its a dump the average westerner wouldn't want to live at anyway. There are people happy in prison. That doesn't make it a great place to go.
The USA is practically the poster boy nation for LACK of infrastructure worldwide actually. More than half the country, you can't drink the water that comes out of the tap. The national train network is a joke. Public transit in all but a few cities is a complete waste. Education is quite possibly the lowest standards in the WHOLE WORLD, as is the quality of the food supply. And 50 million people without even BASIC access to health care. I don't think you could possibly pay me enough to move back after two years in SUPPOSEDLY "third-world" Bogota...
Put your money where your mouth is. We can debate (or fight) about quality of life issues and indexes around the globe. One of the most telling and easiest questions to ask someone is where do they keep their money. Do ex-pats keep most of their money in dollar, euro, or yen dominated short and long-term assets or do they keep most of their money (whether it's baht, pesos, or real) in their "newly adopted" country?
-Helpmann :)
Put your money where your mouth is. We can debate (or fight) about quality of life issues and indexes around the globe. One of the most telling and easiest questions to ask someone is where do they keep their money. Do ex-pats keep most of their money in dollar, euro, or yen dominated short and long-term assets or do they keep most of their money (whether it's baht, pesos, or real) in their "newly adopted" country?
-Helpmann :)Why do you think it has to be like this?
Actually it should be opposite. Do not put your money where you are. It is much safer. If you are in the USA, put at least some of your money outside, so in case there is a problem such as lawsuit, divorce, etc.. you have a better chance to save your money.
If you live in another country you do not wanna take all you money there for exactly the same reasons. Then it is better to keep them in USA.
If you found a country where your dollars have better value than in USA why do you have to take all your dollars over there? USA can be good place to make and store money, another country can be good to spend them.
Also keeping some money in reals and Colombian peso has been a good idea, since they have risen against dollar.
ThatGuy865
08-25-10, 00:13
Haha, have you been there? Looks like have not. So you have no idea what you are talking about. What 90% Americans can only dream of is available there. I see nothing wrong to be in a beautiful city, clean streets, safety, nice architecture, history, beautiful women, museums, theaters, low prices, cheap transportation, nice food, etc. Average American will never ever have this in USA. They can only chug cheap crap called beer and watch TV. Sorry about that.Why are you so afraid to tell us the name of this utopia of yours.
Is it possible because you know it cant compare to the US?
ThatGuy865
08-25-10, 00:25
The USA is practically the poster boy nation for LACK of infrastructure worldwide actually. More than half the country, you can't drink the water that comes out of the tap. The national train network is a joke. Public transit in all but a few cities is a complete waste. Education is quite possibly the lowest standards in the WHOLE WORLD, as is the quality of the food supply. And 50 million people without even BASIC access to health care. I don't think you could possibly pay me enough to move back after two years in SUPPOSEDLY "third-world" Bogota.So you are trying to say Colombia has better infrastructure/quality of life than the US. Overall or are you comparing our worst cities to their best which is Bogota. Try comparing it to NYC/LA/Denver/Portland then. The MOST happening city in the WORLD is NYC. Yeah the USA has ghettos. But they don't make up the majority of the country. Unlike any of the countries you guys talk about having great women. But then you wouldn't be truthful about it anyway. Becos you have to justify your decisions to move to poor countries so you can be the big dog. Thats all fine. But don't kid yourself into thinking those countries are better just because you can get ez pussy. Only your dickhead would believe that.
Put your money where your mouth is. We can debate (or fight) about quality of life issues and indexes around the globe. One of the most telling and easiest questions to ask someone is where do they keep their money. Do ex-pats keep most of their money in dollar, euro, or yen dominated short and long-term assets or do they keep most of their money (whether it's baht, pesos, or real) in their "newly adopted" country?
-Helpmann :)
All too good a question, Helpmann. People may show contempt for the Yankee, but they show a lot less contempt for the "Yankee dollar".
Bango Cheito
08-25-10, 02:23
Put your money where your mouth is. We can debate (or fight) about quality of life issues and indexes around the globe. One of the most telling and easiest questions to ask someone is where do they keep their money. Do ex-pats keep most of their money in dollar, euro, or yen dominated short and long-term assets or do they keep most of their money (whether it's baht, pesos, or real) in their "newly adopted" country?
-Helpmann :)
I'm too much in debt to keep money but when I do I keep it in the "newly adopted" whenever possible... the Colombian peso is very very strong as of lately...
I'm too much in debt to keep money but when I do I keep it in the "newly adopted" whenever possible... the Colombian peso is very very strong as of lately...
Same here. I work in South Korea and keep almost all the money I make in South Korean won. It has strengthened a decent amount so far this year against the U.S. dollar.
I'm not a financial advisor, but I would suggest people actually get OUT of the U.S. dollar. Buying gold and silver are good options, but even other major currencies (Euro, Yen, Swiss Franc, Won, Singapore/HK $, etc) are a better bet than USD.
To make this post relevant to the thread, American women suck.
The USA is practically the poster boy nation for LACK of infrastructure worldwide actually. More than half the country, you can't drink the water that comes out of the tap. The national train network is a joke. Public transit in all but a few cities is a complete waste. Education is quite possibly the lowest standards in the WHOLE WORLD, as is the quality of the food supply. And 50 million people without even BASIC access to health care. I don't think you could possibly pay me enough to move back after two years in SUPPOSEDLY "third-world" Bogota...
When i go to the US i have to rent a car as soon as i get off the plane...
All they have is fat SUV's and Planes, it's all about fuel.
I guess some people have interest in NOT developping transportation based on alternative energies. SOme of them might even live in Texas, who knows?
My 2 cents about the thread :
how ironic is that, most americans have issues with the crazy "empowered" american women. So many of them go to mexico to have fuN.
But i went to mexico a couple of years ago, i fucked mostly american girls, most of which were good looking and horny.
Also went out with a nice blonde in Shanghai she said that most people who go to china end up with a local girl and dump their GF or loose all interest in AW, and that it made her put in perspective the expectations she had back home. I ended up leaving her for one of her chinese 'Friends".
And yet AW think they have some kind of "power" or extra value worth making your life miserable. I mean how nice is it to get divorced and give your money and kids to a girl who once looked like Jasmeen BLeeth and now looks like Dumbo...
Same here. I work in South Korea and keep almost all the money I make in South Korean won. It has strengthened a decent amount so far this year against the U.S. dollar.
To make this post relevant to the thread, American women suck.
Wish that were so, Ezinho. But the problem is, American women DON'T EVEN suck.
Oh, and Onadlos, you've touched on a real problem. In the USA, "You Are What You Drive."
(My car doesn't make any impression on the ladies. Neither, for that matter, does my four-passenger Piper Tri-Pacer airplane.)
DJ FourMoney
08-25-10, 06:11
The USA is practically the poster boy nation for LACK of infrastructure worldwide actually. More than half the country, you can't drink the water that comes out of the tap. The national train network is a joke. Public transit in all but a few cities is a complete waste. Education is quite possibly the lowest standards in the WHOLE WORLD, as is the quality of the food supply. And 50 million people without even BASIC access to health care. I don't think you could possibly pay me enough to move back after two years in SUPPOSEDLY "third-world" Bogota...
As I said most people don't believe the US is not only a 3rd World Country but a Banana Republic.
Appalachian Mountains as well, rural PA/VA/NC/SC are very poor. But yeah funny enough those "Bible Belt" states have high rates of poverty and teenage child birth.
This is why I still do not understand the racial bias that exists in America now. All people are really starting to be affected by the downturn of the US.
DJ FourMoney
08-25-10, 06:21
when i go to the us i have to rent a car as soon as i get off the plane...
all they have is fat suv's and planes, it's all about fuel.
i guess some people have interest in not developping transportation based on alternative energies. some of them might even live in texas, who knows?
my 2 cents about the thread :
how ironic is that, most americans have issues with the crazy "empowered" american women. so many of them go to mexico to have fun.
but i went to mexico a couple of years ago, i fucked mostly american girls, most of which were good looking and horny.
also went out with a nice blonde in shanghai she said that most people who go to china end up with a local girl and dump their gf or loose all interest in aw, and that it made her put in perspective the expectations she had back home. i ended up leaving her for one of her chinese 'friends".
and yet aw think they have some kind of "power" or extra value worth making your life miserable. i mean how nice is it to get divorced and give your money and kids to a girl who once looked like jasmeen bleeth and now looks like dumbo...
there was a story on bloomberg's web site about asia and how western men don't wanna date western women once they get there. it pisses western women off to no end. they don't get mad so much but are desperately lonely in places like hk, indonesia, singapore and thailand.
i notice a trend of american expats shacking up with european women. its low level stuff, but still a trend. leaving choice locations like new york, miami and los angeles to live in belgium for example.
there is a strong desire to have european style public transportation. google los angeles rail 30 in 10. we also passed a bond measure a few years ago for high speed rail but we're currently battling nimby's and those that want the rails system to run a certain way, thinking in the short term only. once we get around that, we'll start building it.
i think the landscape in california is about to change for the better. that's why if i stay its right here, i have no desire to be anywhere else in the us.
DJ FourMoney
08-25-10, 06:32
This is why I still do not understand the racial bias that exists in America now. All people are really starting to be affected by the downturn of the US.
Its an old canard and shows the GOP's true intentions when they are allowed to go off message of small Government and Tax Cuts.
DJ FourMoney
08-25-10, 06:37
Wish that were so, Ezinho. But the problem is, American women DON'T EVEN suck.
Oh, and Onadlos, you've touched on a real problem. In the USA, "You Are What You Drive."
(My car doesn't make any impression on the ladies. Neither, for that matter, does my four-passenger Piper Tri-Pacer airplane.)
American Women suck, you just don't wanna be seen with them. I had a fat 31yo hit me up on OkCupid the other day. I swear one of her replies was "Most Guys Don't Like Talking To Big Women". She would be right, but its been so long since I had a piece (end of last year) and I guess I won't be getting UI after-all so I don't have many choices. I'd hate to go back to fucking fat women when I've said no for so many years.
Gentleman Travel
08-25-10, 14:44
Hi DJ, who said "They don't get mad so much but are desperately lonely in places like HK, Indonesia, Singapore and Thailand". I can confirm this. PI, too. The American nurses I saw there hated the Philippines.
Yes, I have heard the same about western women posted to Russia or Eastern Europe, sometimes accompanying their boyfriends. It doesn't take long before the BF dumps her for some hot Russian babe who really knows how to please a man. Then the western woman is very lonely for the next few years running out the clock. Some ramp up their game to get some attention - but let's face it, why would an ex-pat guy bother with an ex-pat girl? Far better to date local poon.
I wonder if these women behave any differently when they get back home?
Do they try to become more competitive? Or just bitter?
Hi DJ, who said "They don't get mad so much but are desperately lonely in places like HK, Indonesia, Singapore and Thailand". I can confirm this. PI, too. The American nurses I saw there hated the Philippines.
I have met a few expats in Thailand who prefer to date western women. The main reasons I have heard are that they are not attracted to Asian women or that they feel they can have a more intellectually stimulating relationship with a western woman.
Each to his own, I guess, but they are a very small minority.
DJ FourMoney
08-25-10, 17:55
Yes, I have heard the same about western women posted to Russia or Eastern Europe, sometimes accompanying their boyfriends. It doesn't take long before the BF dumps her for some hot Russian babe who really knows how to please a man. Then the western woman is very lonely for the next few years running out the clock. Some ramp up their game to get some attention - but let's face it, why would an ex-pat guy bother with an ex-pat girl? Far better to date local poon.
I wonder if these women behave any differently when they get back home?
Do they try to become more competitive? Or just bitter?
I think it all depends. I've seen personal ads from Western Men (usually American) looking for American Women in Europe. Some people just can't deal with the cultural differences.
Clandestine782
08-26-10, 17:14
So you are trying to say Colombia has better infrastructure/quality of life than the US. Overall or are you comparing our worst cities to their best which is Bogota. Try comparing it to NYC/LA/Denver/Portland then. The MOST happening city in the WORLD is NYC. Yeah the USA has ghettos. But they don't make up the majority of the country. Unlike any of the countries you guys talk about having great women. But then you wouldn't be truthful about it anyway. Becos you have to justify your decisions to move to poor countries so you can be the big dog. Thats all fine. But don't kid yourself into thinking those countries are better just because you can get ez pussy. Only your dickhead would believe that.
Thank you! Someone was on here telling lies about how you can't drink the tap water out of half of the faucets in the country. A lie. I have been to almost every state in the Union (not Alaska or Hawaii) and have never had this experience.
I'm not a financial advisor, but I would suggest people actually get OUT of the U.S. dollar. Buying gold and silver are good options, but even other major currencies (Euro, Yen, Swiss Franc, Won, Singapore/HK $, etc) are a better bet than USD Yep, you sure are right about that. You aren't a financial advisor. The HK$ has been anchored by the US$ since October 1983 at the rate of 7.75:1. and it has never moved since then. Um, OK. Buying Japanese yen. A country that has a lower credit rating than Botswana and over 200% Debt:GDP? The Eurozone: They have some serious problems. Greece is just the tip of the iceberg. The won: Is the Korean won a major currency? I didn't know. Neither is the Singapore dollar. You really ought to go over your notes.
DJ FourMoney
08-26-10, 20:13
Thank you! Someone was on here telling lies about how you can't drink the tap water out of half of the faucets in the country. A lie. I have been to almost every state in the Union (not Alaska or Hawaii) and have never had this experience. Yep, you sure are right about that. You aren't a financial advisor. The HK$ has been anchored by the US$ since October 1983 at the rate of 7.75:1. and it has never moved since then. Um, OK. Buying Japanese yen. A country that has a lower credit rating than Botswana and over 200% Debt:GDP? The Eurozone: They have some serious problems. Greece is just the tip of the iceberg. The won: Is the Korean won a major currency? I didn't know. Neither is the Singapore dollar. You really ought to go over your notes.
Our water is actually fairly safe I wouldn't say its perfect but given the circumstances its fine. If you have concerns still put a filter on your tap. The biggest crock was companies like Coke telling people how un-pure the tap water was.
In some cases you do have fracking which leaks methane gas into pockets of fresh underground water and then you can light the water on fire. I'm sure you have seen the videos.
So its not perfect but 99% of major metro water systems have water safe to drink, there's nothing to debate.
I would also say the infrastructure though crumbling is light years ahead of Eastern Europe, most of Asia and most of South America. Only Western Europe and Japan has equaled us or surpassed us. Much of the products and services we take for granted in the States is very expensive or not even available in these developing nations.
The key however is the woman you're plucking out of obscurity is not some greedy, idealogical b*tch. Its YOUR job to find out what kind of woman you're involved with and understand that during the courtship process they are on their best behavior. Many men overlook subtle details that will lead to much larger problems like concerns about lifestyle and money.
So its not perfect but 99% of major metro water systems have water safe to drink, there's nothing to debate.I do not have a problem with water in USA, it is probably the last thing I would be concerned.
But during the past 10 years or so I see more and more ugly girls. You can even see girls/boys in early teens, they are already very overweight and their skin looks like a 30-40 year old
So I would assume they do not even have time to become like that(ot do they?), are they born like that? Is it water, food, medicine, genetics or combination of everything?
Other countries also start having similar issues, but USA is way ahead.
DJ FourMoney
08-26-10, 22:49
I can't help to say that. I find these sites dominated mostly by 30something divorcee almost always with children. The few that aren't are unbelievably narcissistic.
The 2-5 age different that many AW allow means my hands are tied.
I would like to hear some tales of woe, I know there a few here.
Bango Cheito
08-27-10, 05:51
Thank you! Someone was on here telling lies about how you can't drink the tap water out of half of the faucets in the country. A lie. I have been to almost every state in the Union (not Alaska or Hawaii) and have never had this experience. Yep, you sure are right about that. You aren't a financial advisor. The HK$ has been anchored by the US$ since October 1983 at the rate of 7.75:1. and it has never moved since then. Um, OK. Buying Japanese yen. A country that has a lower credit rating than Botswana and over 200% Debt:GDP? The Eurozone: They have some serious problems. Greece is just the tip of the iceberg. The won: Is the Korean won a major currency? I didn't know. Neither is the Singapore dollar. You really ought to go over your notes.
Anybody who invested heavily in the Real in 2004 made a KILLING in the following years... the COP is almost as strong these days and only going to get stronger...
I lived in NYC for 11 years, I find Bogota a much easier place to live in many ways, and MORE FUN! The nightlife here kicks the shit out of NYC.... up and down and every which way... not to mention theater, art, restaurants etc. this city has it all... the only thing I miss from NYC is my kids... AND the women.... forget it!
There are plenty of places in the US where the tap water is not potable... the only thing missing here as an Interstate like highway system between cities, which is actually being built, but I think they shoulda gone with a train system instead, cars are fucking stupid...
Bango Cheito
08-27-10, 05:57
And let me just say this, every time I go back to NYC to visit my kids, I'm DISGUSTED... with the way people look and how rude and ghetto and nasty they are and how they can't fucking dress or talk or nothing... and the women are all out of shape and just plain BUSTED...
Man, I used to love looking at porn when i lived in the US, now why would I even BOTHER??? :P the only time I watch porn now is when I'm here with a girl and we want to get a new idea for something :p
And let me just say this, every time I go back to NYC to visit my kids, I'm DISGUSTED... with the way people look and how rude and ghetto and nasty they are and how they can't fucking dress or talk or nothing... and the women are all out of shape and just plain BUSTED.What's interesting, lots of people in NYC look better than in most other parts of USA. They are more fit, able to dress and more open minded. There are also lots of foreigners in Manhattan, in Brooklyn in particular many girls from FSU. There are also "prepagos" available for a reasonable price. So NYC does not look as bad as other parts of the country. If you think NYC sucks and women are out of shape there, imaging what is in other places, you definitely do not want to see it unless you want to puke a lot.
Why are you so afraid to tell us the name of this utopia of yours.
Is it possible because you know it cant compare to the US?I have already mentioned it here several times, it is Central Asia. Because you do not know it, it does not mean "utopia" does not exist. I'm not here to advertise it, only to let people know that there are a still different choices in the world. Of course nothing is perfect. But most of those things what an average American needs everyday is available now in many places in the World.
Life of 0.1-1%(or so) of the people in the USA is probably is not too bad. Maybe those guys can get some of better USA women and other things, although it is also under a doubt. Those guys can easily be "punished" if they go out of the line (recent cases HP, T.Woods, etc..)
But the chances of a regular guy to become one of those in USA are probably very slim, no matter how hard he tries. Of course it is the general politics to make people work their ass in order to achieve something one day, but most will get not much except BS.
I see nothing wrong if one can take shortcuts and get something faster and easier, than he would do it in USA since the life is not unlimited.
DJ FourMoney
08-27-10, 16:48
I found this calculator on Lifehacker.
According to it, its 20% cheaper to live in Bogota than Los Angeles. RT.com mentioned the median home price in Manhattan is $900K (apartment) no wonder HGTV is doing "Selling New York" show.
But these things are reflective of what the local currency can buy. Over on the Costa Rica Expat forums people complain about cellular handset prices, tanks of propane for BBQ's and other items that are easily found for less in America. I also find many expats receive "Care Packages" or make regular trips back to America because of this.
Its not surprising that housing is affordable in South America. But its also affordable in Berlin, Germany for example. It just depends on the local economic makeup.
And let me just say this, every time I go back to NYC to visit my kids, I'm DISGUSTED... with the way people look and how rude and ghetto and nasty they are and how they can't fucking dress or talk or nothing... and the women are all out of shape and just plain BUSTED...
Man, I used to love looking at porn when i lived in the US, now why would I even BOTHER??? :P the only time I watch porn now is when I'm here with a girl and we want to get a new idea for something :pWhere were you living? What neighborhood in NYC has lots of ugly women and undrinkable water? I'll be sure to avoid that shit hole.
-Helpmann :)
Been back in the Yew Ess for ten days now. What a mess. People are nice enough but the women have no style, no sexuality, and are just tatted up masses of blubber. I need a harpoon. I did fuck some Native American chick who came up to me on the street when I was walking home. She said, "Can I ask you something? Is it safe around here at night?" I said I did not know since I was not from around there. She kind of hesitated and then said, "Can you give me anything? A cigarette?" So I said I did not smoke but that if she wanted to come back to my apartment and have sex I could give her $50. She said okay. The sex was okay but then she asked me if she could spend the night = homeless. I chucked her out and now I'm kinda nervous she might come back. I have no deadbolt here and am kind of afraid of getting burglarized. And no, I can't put in a deadbolt as this is a furnished apartment in a weekly hotel.
And they are loud and crude, swearing on the bus and in the grocery store. My female co-workers are very nice but also very fat. Fat fat fat.
However I am making lots of $$$, even more than I had expected. 10 days down, 248 to go.
Bango Cheito
08-28-10, 06:05
Where were you living? What neighborhood in NYC has lots of ugly women and undrinkable water? I'll be sure to avoid that shit hole.
-Helpmann :)
NYC water is very good actually, although overchlorinated...
ALL of NYC has ugly women compared to Colombia....
NYC water is very good actually, although overchlorinated...
ALL of NYC has ugly women compared to Colombia....Brooklyn has for sure beatiful girls. They are from FSU. Many live there and also students on work and travel program.
DJ FourMoney
08-28-10, 23:04
Brooklyn has for sure beatiful girls. They are from FSU. Many live there and also students on work and travel program.
I found a stacked FSU girl in NYC on one of the IR web sites I frequent. I haven't seen her profile lately she likely been taken off the market.
Stacked and FSU don't come up often, model-type bodies are usually accepted and expected I guess. That is the one thing I have to give up when considering a FSU girl. Yeah you can find the occasional top heavy girl, but finding arse is like searching for the unicorn it doesn't exist. All you can hope for is a decent bubble and a little shape after children.
I found a stacked FSU girl in NYC on one of the IR web sites I frequent. I haven't seen her profile lately she likely been taken off the market.
Stacked and FSU don't come up often, model-type bodies are usually accepted and expected I guess. That is the one thing I have to give up when considering a FSU girl. Yeah you can find the occasional top heavy girl, but finding arse is like searching for the unicorn it doesn't exist. All you can hope for is a decent bubble and a little shape after children.Why would "stacked" be such a priority when looking for a life mate? if you need just boobs, you can be happy with an American woman or just get a working girl any time with any size you want.
You can meet lots of FSU girls in USA on love.mail.ru who knows, maybe u find the biyotch of your life there
What is FSU?
I found a stacked FSU girl in NYC on one of the IR web sites I frequent. I haven't seen her profile lately she likely been taken off the market.
Stacked and FSU don't come up often, model-type bodies are usually accepted and expected I guess. That is the one thing I have to give up when considering a FSU girl. Yeah you can find the occasional top heavy girl, but finding arse is like searching for the unicorn it doesn't exist. All you can hope for is a decent bubble and a little shape after children.
What is FSU?Former Soviet Union. Of course some people use the word "Russian", but it is not very accurate, since there are about 100 nationalities in the area which used to be USSR, but since they have something in common such as good looks and attitude, FSU or Soviet would be a better word.
What is FSU?
Former Soviet Union. An acronym I heard again and again in the IC (Intelligence Community). :p
Bango Cheito
08-29-10, 12:47
Brooklyn has for sure beatiful girls. They are from FSU. Many live there and also students on work and travel program.
They don't hold a cande to women here.... they're nice by American standards, which doesn't say much really....
They don't hold a candle to women here.... they're nice by American standards, which doesn't say much really....I guess it is a matter of personal taste. Actually I already know a number of Colombians who bring women from Russia to Colombia. There is a bunch of them in Bogota and few so far in Medellin. I was kinda surprised why would they do that since they got their own quality women, but looks like it is considered "cool". The general tendency is to bring a natural blond to Colombia. One Colombian brought a blond woman, his friends saw her, and asked him to find for them the same.. Here is a video about FSU women and the high-heels "culture" and how westerners see it:
http://www.firstinternationalguide.com/russia/russian-women/sexy-high-heeled-girls-on-russias-streets.html
Regarding American standards, it looks like that anything that has few holes and a little more beautiful than pregnant pig is nice. I saw another day at a party a good-looking guy, very fit, also intelligent. His wife is pretty disgusting whale, although they are only in their late 20s, not sure who this kinda shit happens.
So when I got here I bought a monthly bus pass for $15. Then I found out I can ride free as a benefit of my employment. The bus pass is probably not supposed to be transferable but it has no picture or serial number on it so I decided to give it to the first person who wanted it. I asked an AW if she wanted it. She pointed to the sticker and said, "It's expired." I said, "No, it is good for a month from that date." She said, "Oh," grabbed it out of my hand, and walked away. No thank you involved. Fucken kunt.
TheyStoleMyName
08-29-10, 22:48
People who argue (or worse make absolute statements) about the quality or attractiveness of ALL women from a particular country or area vs. ALL women from another particular country or area are stupid and/or ignorant. And possibly racist.
Every place has beautiful women. Every place has ugly women. Lots of beautiful women in New York, Colombia, and Russia. Lots of ugly women in New York, Colombia, and Russia. And everywhere else. There is no shortage of either anywhere in the world. If you disagree with me you're an idiot.
Personally I prefer not bothering with American women because they *tend* to be neurotic when it comes to relationships in general and sex in particular, and they are also often very jaded and difficult to please compared to women from other countries. That's a cultural and social thing, though. And every girl is different so I don't like to generalize that much.
Culture aside, there are still many many absolutely stunning women who hold American passports. And regardless of your "type" you will find something to like in the country. One of the good things about the USA is that it's the most diverse place on Earth. Women of every shape and size and color there in abundance.
Still, I prefer shopping for girls in other countries. As I'm sure most people here do given the nature of this website.
DJ FourMoney
08-30-10, 05:03
Why would "stacked" be such a priority when looking for a life mate? if you need just boobs, you can be happy with an American woman or just get a working girl any time with any size you want.
You can meet lots of FSU girls in USA on love.mail.ru who knows, maybe u find the biyotch of your life there
LOL, I don't "Need" boobs I just like them. I'm not like D-Cups :)
There are FSU chicks in LA, I think rather have them from the source.
Girls in America (any girls) are like Forest Gump and a box of chocolates...
Australiasucks
08-30-10, 06:12
Where were you living? What neighborhood in NYC has lots of ugly women and undrinkable water? I'll be sure to avoid that shit hole.
-Helpmann :)Most of New York is nasty, ghetto and rude, Bango is right, I spent a few years there, glad I do not live in that hellpit.
DJ FourMoney
08-30-10, 09:26
People who argue (or worse make absolute statements) about the quality or attractiveness of ALL women from a particular country or area vs. ALL women from another particular country or area are stupid and/or ignorant. And possibly racist.
Every place has beautiful women. Every place has ugly women. Lots of beautiful women in New York, Colombia, and Russia. Lots of ugly women in New York, Colombia, and Russia. And everywhere else. There is no shortage of either anywhere in the world. If you disagree with me you're an idiot.
Personally I prefer not bothering with American women because they *tend* to be neurotic when it comes to relationships in general and sex in particular, and they are also often very jaded and difficult to please compared to women from other countries. That's a cultural and social thing, though. And every girl is different so I don't like to generalize that much.
Culture aside, there are still many many absolutely stunning women who hold American passports. And regardless of your "type" you will find something to like in the country. One of the good things about the USA is that it's the most diverse place on Earth. Women of every shape and size and color there in abundance.
Still, I prefer shopping for girls in other countries. As I'm sure most people here do given the nature of this website.
I would say some of the stuff said around here is borderline racist I would agree with that.
I live in a very cosmopolitan city - Los Angeles
There all types of women here. Hot Button BS like vilifying Mexicans and Central Americans coming across our Southern Boarder is racist period. I just started talking too a Austrian woman who did the "Marry A Friend So I Can Get Permanent Residency" route. She of Blue Eyes and Blonde hair is not being talked about when you're talking about immigration issues in America.
That's the second woman I have known who's done that.
That's how upside-down our politics are here.
I have dated European born and raised women here in LA with varying amounts of success. This is what got me started looking outside the country. These women tend to be less materialistic and neurotic as you mentioned.
But I kept having problems finding a woman that had everything I wanted physically and mentally. Its not out of whack either. I just know I can attract some fairly good looking women, the rub has been they needed to back away from the dinner table. If not that, then honest mistakes like forgetting my wallet at home gets the first date cut short and no return phone calls. Then finally the overabundance of Single Mothers. But I'm kind of softening my stance on that because that's one of the ONLY ways I can get a AW under 30 since these women are looking for maturity and stability they are not getting from a majority of men near their own age.
So just playing Process of Elimination. I'm not done playing it, I need to experience South America.
People who argue (or worse make absolute statements) about the quality or attractiveness of ALL women from a particular country or area vs. ALL women from another particular country or area are stupid and/or ignorant. And possibly racist.
Every place has beautiful women. Every place has ugly women. Lots of beautiful women in New York, Colombia, and Russia. Lots of ugly women in New York, Colombia, and Russia. And everywhere else. There is no shortage of either anywhere in the world. If you disagree with me you're an idiot.
Personally I prefer not bothering with American women because they *tend* to be neurotic when it comes to relationships in general and sex in particular, and they are also often very jaded and difficult to please compared to women from other countries. That's a cultural and social thing, though. And every girl is different so I don't like to generalize that much.
Culture aside, there are still many many absolutely stunning women who hold American passports. And regardless of your "type" you will find something to like in the country. One of the good things about the USA is that it's the most diverse place on Earth. Women of every shape and size and color there in abundance.
Still, I prefer shopping for girls in other countries. As I'm sure most people here do given the nature of this website.So you kinda contradict yourself. First you say there are beautiful women everywhere (which is partially true, the % of them differ), then you say you prefer them somewhere else, not in USA. Which is understandable, but funny. Some people say that women are the same everywhere, which is also funny.
Most of New York is nasty, ghetto and rude, Bango is right, I spent a few years there, glad I do not live in that hellpit.This is really funny. From what I have seen, Probably about 20 USA states, also 25 countries, NYC is one of the best(or least worse) places in the USA. So the rest of the country is much much worse than that.
There are FSU chicks in LA, I think rather have them from the source.
SMe too. I have net a bunch of them in USA, there are different from what's at home. Lots of money diggers, but at least can be god fuckers. When are you going there? I got a one-way ticket in 2 weeks.
Bango Cheito
08-30-10, 22:30
This is really funny. From what I have seen, Probably about 20 USA states, also 25 countries, NYC is one of the best(or least worse) places in the USA. So the rest of the country is much much worse than that.
That's the sad part, is that you're absolutely right!
I live in Bogota but man, when you get out of here and go to the smaller cities, it's incredible.. for some reason the men get uglier and the women get even better! That's the ultimate life if you can have it, live here during the week and hop on a plane on Friday afternoon and go somewhere hot and sweaty and sexy!!
TheyStoleMyName
09-01-10, 17:18
So you kinda contradict yourself. First you say there are beautiful women everywhere (which is partially true, the % of them differ), then you say you prefer them somewhere else, not in USA. Which is understandable, but funny. Some people say that women are the same everywhere, which is also funny.I didn't contradict myself at all. Just because American women can be and often are beautiful doesn't mean I want to date them. And just because I prefer looking for girls in other countries doesn't mean I wouldn't date an American girl.
TheyStoleMyName
09-02-10, 00:37
I didn't contradict myself at all. Just because American women can be and often are beautiful doesn't mean I want to date them. And just because I prefer looking for girls in other countries doesn't mean I wouldn't date an American girl.Also, the differences in percentages are negligible in my opinion. Though, sure, there are differences.
And though women everywhere are different in some ways, they are also similar in many others. I argue with women all the time who try to tell me the reason they can't fuck me is because of their culture, because that's always bullshit. Every country, even Saudi Arabia, has a few sluts. Every country, even the UK or the Netherlands or the USA, has a few girls who are uptight prudes that are saving themselves for marriage. Individual choice matters more than and can always overrule cultural background.
That said. It certainly is much much easier getting sex in a place like Thailand or The Philippines than it is somewhere like the Middle East.
Recently I told a friend of mine how when we were younger, we were more worried about people thinking our girlfriends were fat or a little funny looking. Nowadays, I worry more about having my friends think my girlfriend is a head case.
Sometimes I think about a gap-toothed, no neck girl back in high school who probably had an awesome pussy.
I leave for a trip Argentina in a few days. Mentioned this to the girl helping me at Radio Shack, and this chunky customer about my age lit up and said she had family down there. An American girl, she had calves the size of canned hams.
We shot the breeeze for a little and then I split. Thought in retrospect I maybe should have got her phone number. She could've looked good doggy style.
The bad thing about some American girls is that we may have first date sex and enjoy it, but then they act like they have our leg caught in a bear trap.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/overwt.htm
Quick stats...
34% of Americans are obese
34% of Americans are overweight
That means about 70% of American women are FAT.
Poor bastards over there don't even stand a chance. Say you meet one of the 30% that is normal weight. Chances she is has a good attitude? Forget about it!
DJ FourMoney
09-02-10, 07:56
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/overwt.htm
Quick stats...
34% of Americans are obese
34% of Americans are overweight
That means about 70% of American women are FAT.
Poor bastards over there don't even stand a chance. Say you meet one of the 30% that is normal weight. Chances she is has a good attitude? Forget about it!
Well I don't kick women that are only a few pounds to the curb. What happens his women get liberal with that description. An FSU chick around 130-140lbs is still stunning, but for an America women, that's dangerously close to Mendoza territory. Then again most AW tend to be built more like Bikini Models than most Slavic girls and for that's a rub I'm trying to reconcile with.
In fact I don't mind a girl to around 170lbs as long as they are over 5'4
But for me as I have said many times age is not the restriction and a recent scanning of personal ads confirmed that its tough to get a woman even with children under 30 that's interested in a guy who's 40 but may not look it.
Well I don't kick women that are only a few pounds to the curb. What happens his women get liberal with that description. An FSU chick around 130-140lbs is still stunning.Stunning? I'm not sure about that. 140lbs is 64kg - a lot! (not in USA of course)
I would say 120 max for a height 5.8 can be stunning in FSU
But for an America women, that's dangerously close to Mendoza territory. Then again most AW tend to be built more like Bikini Models than most Slavic girls and for that's a rub I'm trying to reconcile with.
In fact I don't mind a girl to around 170lbs as long as they are over 5'4
But for me as I have said many times age is not the restriction and a recent scanning of personal ads confirmed that its tough to get a woman even with children under 30 that's interested in a guy who's 40 but may not look it.There are plenty of 170lbs, 5"4 women in USA. In general it is really overweight, and you can easily find such chicks without kids and much younger than you. And there is not much need to go overseas if such sizes are alright for you.
One my friend married an 18 y.o. fat girl in USA. he is close to 40.
That means about 70% of American women are FAT.
Poor bastards over there don't even stand a chance. Say you meet one of the 30% that is normal weight. Chances she is has a good attitude? Forget about it!One out of the 30% is not too accurate. How about the age? You probably have some age preferences, right?
http://www.censusscope.org/us/chart_age.html
For example, if you want to meet a women from 20 to 30 or from 30 to 40 y.o., then you look at about 7-8% of women according to the chart above.
If 30% of those 8% are not fat, then you're left with only 2-3%
Now how many of the 3% are single, good-looking (not fat still does not mean they look good), not lesbians, not disabled(physically and mentally) and with good attitude?
So the chances look really slim, very close to 0.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/overwt.htm
Quick stats...
34% of Americans are obese
34% of Americans are overweight
That means about 70% of American women are FAT.
Poor bastards over there don't even stand a chance. Say you meet one of the 30% that is normal weight. Chances she is has a good attitude? Forget about it!
You can blame the U.S. Food industry for these frightening statistics. The food's we get in our supermarkets are completely devoid of the proper nutrients. All we get are genetically modified vegetables, fruits, growth hormones in our meats, diary products, added sugars from corn syrup etc. I cannot imagine what U.S health care costs are going to be 10-15 years down the road. I was visiting one of the emerging economies recently for about 6 weeks and was amazed at the difference in the nutrient values of the fruits and vegetables I was eating. I lost a heck of a lot of weight without much effort.
Gentleman Travel
09-02-10, 18:56
Well I don't kick women that are only a few pounds to the curb. What happens his women get liberal with that description. An FSU chick around 130-140lbs is still stunning, but for an America women, that's dangerously close to Mendoza territory. Then again most AW tend to be built more like Bikini Models than most Slavic girls and for that's a rub I'm trying to reconcile with.
In fact I don't mind a girl to around 170lbs as long as they are over 5'4..
Well, if you are prepared to consider 5'5" and 170 lbs, there may still be some available in those sizes. I think most guys would draw the line a couple of stone lower. By the way, I looked at these stats and found that the worst increases (over a decade or so) were amongst black and hispanic women and youth (white women only increased marginally in obesity).
But of course the other side of the equation is men, who are not really much better, statistically speaking.
Last weekend I spent a lazy summer morning in my city's downtown market, where the cafes are, watching the mass of early morning humanity go by, and I have to say it was not a pretty sight. I probably observed a couple of thousand people, and they (we) were a sorry lot. Overweight, yes, but equally ugly and poorly dressed - these attributes applying to men and women alike. How did we descend to become such a slovenly society?
Out of the thousand or more women I only saw a few (like 2 - 4) who were even marginally desirable. Maybe a dozen or so if looking through sufficiently powerful beer googles. None worth paying for - out of a thousand+ in the entertainment district in the centre of my nation's capital city!! And as I say, the men were no better in their t-shirts, baseball caps and sock & sandal combos. It is a wonder we reproduce at all. Some of these people probably could have been presentable if dressed decently, but NONE would have been a head-turner even then.
Compare this with walking down any busy street in Eastern Europe (sorry, don't know about street candy in other mongering destinations), where half of the women are doable, lots are stunning, and there are always some to die for! And frankly, even the black-shirted, flat-topped faux-mafiso types (i.e. all Russian males under 40) look better than most of the men I saw in my city.
My point is simply that it is not just AW (or in this case, Canadian women) who are the problem. North American males are just as pathetic - except us mongers who are fit, stylish and always ready for action!
DJ FourMoney
09-03-10, 05:37
Well, if you are prepared to consider 5'5" and 170 lbs, there may still be some available in those sizes. I think most guys would draw the line a couple of stone lower. By the way, I looked at these stats and found that the worst increases (over a decade or so) were amongst black and hispanic women and youth (white women only increased marginally in obesity).
But of course the other side of the equation is men, who are not really much better, statistically speaking.
Last weekend I spent a lazy summer morning in my city's downtown market, where the cafes are, watching the mass of early morning humanity go by, and I have to say it was not a pretty sight. I probably observed a couple of thousand people, and they (we) were a sorry lot. Overweight, yes, but equally ugly and poorly dressed - these attributes applying to men and women alike. How did we descend to become such a slovenly society?
Out of the thousand or more women I only saw a few (like 2 - 4) who were even marginally desirable. Maybe a dozen or so if looking through sufficiently powerful beer googles. None worth paying for - out of a thousand+ in the entertainment district in the centre of my nation's capital city!! And as I say, the men were no better in their t-shirts, baseball caps and sock & sandal combos. It is a wonder we reproduce at all. Some of these people probably could have been presentable if dressed decently, but NONE would have been a head-turner even then.
Compare this with walking down any busy street in Eastern Europe (sorry, don't know about street candy in other mongering destinations), where half of the women are doable, lots are stunning, and there are always some to die for! And frankly, even the black-shirted, flat-topped faux-mafiso types (i.e. all Russian males under 40) look better than most of the men I saw in my city.
My point is simply that it is not just AW (or in this case, Canadian women) who are the problem. North American males are just as pathetic - except us mongers who are fit, stylish and always ready for action!
There's a Slavic girl on a certain Single's Tour Web site with HUGE at least Double D if not larger boobs and clocks in at 154lbs, still with a classic Coke shape and all of 25.
Most likely not what most men looking for Slavic women want, but if I was in a position to go, I'd contact her, why not? She's pretty overall.
@170lbs you're getting into big hips and thighs area, which is fairly normal in America actually. Sure I would love thinner as I said several times these are not hard and fast rules, I would love to have a model thin girl which is why I'm willing to give up some ass and tittie for 100-150lbs and over 5'4
About local women however, I'll only even consider AW if an attractive woman accepts me at my worst which where I am currently (unemployed) AND living at home.
HIGHLY UNLIKELY, I'm more likely to get read the riot act about how much of a looser I am. I recently told a British transplant who's now a US Citizen all the above plus she is allergic to Cat Dander. So I failed, not sure if its the Cat Dander or the other stuff, but she said Cat Dander and wished me luck, this was a fairly attractive 41yr old woman, not fat, professional hairdresser lived in Hollywood.
It can't get any worst than it is right now. I am just biding my time starting school in a week (I hope). I could bang this really fat 30yr old girl. She's hanging out with her cousin from out of town for the next week or two. Maybe I might do it when I have her undivided attention. She hit me up first saying most guys don't wanna talk to her. Well no sh*t, but sensing some (a) desperation on her account (b) aggressive behavior (constantly contacting me first), she wants of course a relationship like all women do, but I am not giving a BBW a relationship I did that once, once is enough. But as a companion and likely sex partner, I guess she could be ugly too, she's not.
And they say were likely to double dip.
In fact I don't mind a girl to around 170lbs as long as they are over 5'4
I attached a picture of a 170 pound woman.
I guess 5'5" 170 would be low average for an AM. To me that's just plain disgustingly obese. Now I understand how a woman with those dimensions describes herself as "average" or "medium". Too many AM have those standards and expectations, plus most probably also have a weight problem. I'm 5"10" and 164. Why would I wish to be crushed by a hippo who is shorter than I yet weighs more?!
Used to have a girlfriend who was 5'6" and 116, AW of Nordic descent. Current Japanese girlfriend is 5' and 97. Both of them have lovely proportionate feminine curves.
DJ FourMoney
09-03-10, 19:17
I guess 5'5" 170 would be low average for an AM. To me that's just plain disgustingly obese. Now I understand how a woman with those dimensions describes herself as "average" or "medium". Too many AM have those standards and expectations, plus most probably also have a weight problem. I'm 5"10" and 164. Why would I wish to be crushed by a hippo who is shorter than I yet weighs more?!
Used to have a girlfriend who was 5'6" and 116, AW of Nordic descent. Current Japanese girlfriend is 5' and 97. Both of them have lovely proportionate feminine curves.
Well I'm 6'0 nearly 6'1 and 185-190lbs. I love thinner women and on occasion I have landed a few. But as you know Black Men get a fair amount of attention from overweight women, you know the drill.
I guess 5'5" 170 would be low average for an AM.
Oops. I meant "AW".
I too get attention from overweight women; it is unwanted. I choose to ignore them, as I find them to be repulsive.
Just my taste, that's all. No criticism intended as to the taste of others.
I guess 5'5" 170 would be low average for an AM. To me that's just plain disgustingly obese. Now I understand how a woman with those dimensions describes herself as "average" or "medium". Too many AM have those standards and expectations, plus most probably also have a weight problem. I'm 5"10" and 164. Why would I wish to be crushed by a hippo who is shorter than I yet weighs more?!
Used to have a girlfriend who was 5'6" and 116, AW of Nordic descent. Current Japanese girlfriend is 5' and 97. Both of them have lovely proportionate feminine curves.5'5" 170 is really obese to me too. I would not want to be crashed by a hippo either. American standards are really messed up.
Some chicks which I date in FSU, I guess they would look anorexic for America:
5"2" 88 lbs
5"6 110lbs
5'8" 120lbs
DJ FourMoney
09-04-10, 00:43
Oops. I meant "AW".
I too get attention from overweight women; it is unwanted. I choose to ignore them, as I find them to be repulsive.
Just my taste, that's all. No criticism intended as to the taste of others.
There's a difference between being slightly overweight (which is what I would call women over 5'4 and over 150lbs but under 190lbs) and a whale. I tend to turn them down as well, but it comes with a price, less sex.
5'4" and 135 is slightly overweight. 5'4" and 150 is fat. 5'4" and 190 is obese. Yuck.
DJ FourMoney
09-04-10, 01:27
5'4" and 135 is slightly overweight. 5'4" and 150 is fat. 5'4" and 190 is obese. Yuck.
True but the women I usually date are closer to 5'8
My bad. I missed the word "over." 5'8" woman should be around 140 or so, maybe 145. My goodness, women are significantly fatter in the US even than when I left seven years ago. Lots of fat men too but I don't notice much of a significant change there. Of course, there are a lot of Native Americans here and obesity is just rampant among them (as are acne, myopia, alcoholism, meth, etc; not a pretty sight).
In addition to what the previous poster wrote about everyone in the US dressing like shit, posture is terrible. Swearing in public, such as on public transit, is very obnoxious especially when done at high volume while talking on one's cell phone.
In general, returning after seven years, I have this to say to American women and American men:
Pull your pants up, comb your hair, lose 50 pounds, lose the stupid T-shirts, tie your shoelaces, stop saying "like" every third word, cover your mouth when you cough or yawn, get all the shrapnel and scrap metal out of your lips and eyebrows, and stop chewing gum with your mouth open.
Clean up your fucking act. 239 more days to go.
DJ FourMoney
09-04-10, 08:16
5'5" 170 is really obese to me too. I would not want to be crashed by a hippo either. American standards are really messed up.
Some chicks which I date in FSU, I guess they would look anorexic for America:
5"2" 88 lbs
5"6 110lbs
5'8" 120lbs
Actually the opposite happens, they attract attention because of their weight or lack thereof. Given how most FSU women dress at home, heals, skirts, dresses, etc; They can shop in the Young Ms section and that makes many AW positivity green with rage and jealously.
I see many FSU that are size zero to maybe 4-5, almost all under 140lbs. The ladies that "heavy" are around 5'9 usually or over 30, where you just have natural weight gain.
I never liked really short women (5'4 and below), I've always loved women around eye level 5'8-6'0.
All you have to do is cruise around your typical US based web site and many of the women are 15-20lbs overweight if not worst. That is the majority.
Seems every women that contacts me online is FAT, not slightly overweight, except on LL :)
Bango Cheito
09-04-10, 09:52
My bad. I missed the word "over." 5'8" woman should be around 140 or so, maybe 145. My goodness, women are significantly fatter in the US even than when I left seven years ago. Lots of fat men too but I don't notice much of a significant change there. Of course, there are a lot of Native Americans here and obesity is just rampant among them (as are acne, myopia, alcoholism, meth, etc; not a pretty sight).
In addition to what the previous poster wrote about everyone in the US dressing like shit, posture is terrible. Swearing in public, such as on public transit, is very obnoxious especially when done at high volume while talking on one's cell phone.
In general, returning after seven years, I have this to say to American women and American men:
Pull your pants up, comb your hair, lose 50 pounds, lose the stupid T-shirts, tie your shoelaces, stop saying "like" every third word, cover your mouth when you cough or yawn, get all the shrapnel and scrap metal out of your lips and eyebrows, and stop chewing gum with your mouth open.
Clean up your fucking act. 239 more days to go.
The best was riding the train in NYC back to catch a plane the last time I was there a couple months ago.
This totally ghetto group of teenage kids were all sitting next to me, screaming at the top of their lungs, talking about their buddies who got locked up so all of us got to hear it, arguing about stupid shit, then two of the boys got in a fist fight and one of them started crying, the older girl started cussing them out and then said to the rest of us in the train car "wtf yall looking at motherfuckers?" ..... then one of the nasty little primates let loose the nastiest fart I've ever smelled and everyone was laughing about it... nuuuuuuuuuu thank you, I could NEVER live there again...
ThatGuy865
09-04-10, 17:51
The best was riding the train in NYC back to catch a plane the last time I was there a couple months ago.
This totally ghetto group of teenage kids were all sitting next to me, screaming at the top of their lungs, talking about their buddies who got locked up so all of us got to hear it, arguing about stupid shit, then two of the boys got in a fist fight and one of them started crying, the older girl started cussing them out and then said to the rest of us in the train car "WTF yall looking at motherfuckers? ". Then one of the nasty little primates let loose the nastiest fart I've ever smelled and everyone was laughing about it. Nuuuuuuuuuu thank you, I could never live there again.I'm sure all those drug gang teenagers in Colombia. Are very courteous about shooting and robbing you. Theyuse proper etiquitte when they rob you.
ThatGuy865
09-04-10, 18:04
For every one whinning guy who doesn't like AW. There are 10 men and 20 women begging to come into America.
If americans really loved skinny girls as you guys. EE and SEA countries would be high on the tourist list. But the most visited countries are the ones with fattest women outside of the USA namely the UK and France. And even for latin countries its mexico. Which has to have the fattest women of latin america
So leave. You won't be missed and leave those who are happy with AW. Which obviously is the majority.
CYA and have fun living in your newly found havens. But there are millions who are not only happy but think they have it the best in the world. In america you are a tiny minority. But to each his own.
TG
Australiasucks
09-04-10, 23:52
The best was riding the train in NYC back to catch a plane the last time I was there a couple months ago.
This totally ghetto group of teenage kids were all sitting next to me, screaming at the top of their lungs, talking about their buddies who got locked up so all of us got to hear it, arguing about stupid shit, then two of the boys got in a fist fight and one of them started crying, the older girl started cussing them out and then said to the rest of us in the train car "WTF yall looking at motherfuckers? ". Then one of the nasty little primates let loose the nastiest fart I've ever smelled and everyone was laughing about it. Nuuuuuuuuuu thank you, I could NEVER live there again.The sad thing about New York is that there are millions of people that behave like those thugs you met in the train but there are millions who are not like that and have to endure such barbaric behavior among their fellow citizens but such idiotic behavior is not confined to NYC, I just came back from San Francisco, I ran into a teenage boy and girl who were reenacting the UFC in an electronics store but when I walked by the boy at least had some courtesy to say excuse me and yelled at his girlfriend for acting out in a public place, so yes they behaved stupidly but the boy had the decency to say excuse me, I doubt I would hear a pair like that do the same in NYC. I am actually in the process of helping a friend in NY get out of there and migrate to Australia. We have are own share of bad characters in Oz but in general you can easily avoid them unlike in NY where trouble will find you.
The "US food industry" deserves perhaps 1% of the blame for the obesity epidemic. Many healthy food choices are available in US supermarkets, certainly more so than in Argentina, for example. People's personal choices are to blame. It's sad when parents don't provide good examples or good choices for their children. When did it become acceptable to serve soda pop at the dinner table, for example? Blame the sedentary lifestyle, the unwillingness to exercise, the inability to cook, and just plain ridiculous gluttony. Snack snack snack munch munch munch all day long, and then more pigging out in front of the TV. I don't eat sweets or junk food, I exercise almost every day, I don't own a car, and I read labels. I am not a vegetarian but my diet is built around grains and legumes. I don't count calories and I drink 8 or 10 beers a day, and I'm not fat. The "US food industry" is just a scapegoat for a lack of self-control and an unwillingness to take personal responsibility.
SOOOO-EY!
DJ FourMoney
09-05-10, 06:26
The "US food industry" deserves perhaps 1% of the blame for the obesity epidemic. Many healthy food choices are available in US supermarkets, certainly more so than in Argentina, for example. People's personal choices are to blame. It's sad when parents don't provide good examples or good choices for their children. When did it become acceptable to serve soda pop at the dinner table, for example? Blame the sedentary lifestyle, the unwillingness to exercise, the inability to cook, and just plain ridiculous gluttony. Snack snack snack munch munch munch all day long, and then more pigging out in front of the TV. I don't eat sweets or junk food, I exercise almost every day, I don't own a car, and I read labels. I am not a vegetarian but my diet is built around grains and legumes. I don't count calories and I drink 8 or 10 beers a day, and I'm not fat. The "US food industry" is just a scapegoat for a lack of self-control and an unwillingness to take personal responsibility.
SOOOO-EY!
I would say this is largely correct.
DJ FourMoney
09-05-10, 08:38
For every one whinning guy who doesn't like AW. There are 10 men and 20 women begging to come into America.
If americans really loved skinny girls as you guys. EE and SEA countries would be high on the tourist list. But the most visited countries are the ones with fattest women outside of the USA namely the UK and France. And even for latin countries its mexico. Which has to have the fattest women of latin america
So leave. You won't be missed and leave those who are happy with AW. Which obviously is the majority.
CYA and have fun living in your newly found havens. But there are millions who are not only happy but think they have it the best in the world. In america you are a tiny minority. But to each his own.
TG
I'll bite but you make it sound like we are just complaining and should leave, you don't happen to be Libertarian or Republican/NeoCon?
I happen to think my best chance as passed me by, my best opportunities lost. The best looking woman I've ever been involved with hadn't seen me in person before. She was only disappointed because as is often said, Luck is made when preparation meets opportunity. I was unprepared and unemployed at the time. If I had $100 I could have closed that deal, I couldn't even borrow $30 from so-called "Friends". That was 1995!
Another woman that was putty in my hands was a French-Canadian girl I met on mIRC, that was 1994/1995.
Since then, I should have left my ex for a woman down in San Diego or a woman that lived in Ventura. I did neither I stood pat was still unhappy and when I finally decided to let her go, it was 2 years later. (1996-1999)
So from 2000-2010, its gotten progressively worst. Nothing but Single Mothers and BBW's. Women without children are not interested in me for whatever reason. I think its because these women want LTR and so do I just not with their children. So I've been reluctant to commit and the one woman I would have accepted her young son, rebuffed me in Oslo, Norway.
I can't explain childless women, likely because I live at home, but to be honest I don't think that would be a marked improvement if I did move, at least nobody I wanna be with that I have seen, just old ass women, unless you consider mid 30's viable and I really don't.
Since AW only like a 2-5 year age difference and tolerate 7-10 years ONLY when they have children or over 40, in which case all the older women want younger men, not Cougars just don't want a guy that's 50 when they are 40, they want 30-40 men. Single mothers its obvious, stability is their concern.
So TG what am I suppose to do? I don't want to date women over 30, let alone over 35. I have a mild interest in a Austrian woman who's 35, married for a Green Card and is a UCLA student. I haven't heard from her this week, this is likely because classes have started, who knows. She's mmm hot (Blonde, Blue Eyes, been on TV in her home country). I sense an opportunity but I fear my economic situation will be my undoing once again.
So I have picked a plan that just might work. It involves either South America (less likely) or Eastern Europe. It has to work because I feel this is it, I have about a 5 year window total about a 2-3 year window to make it happen. It also might involve relocation as I think as the US slides further into Depression and likely to double dip (40% chance according to Dr Doom) and it will be awhile for a full recovery (2015 many are saying if not longer).
Once I know I will be able to visit women at any given time (within reason) I will start to contact women on the two or three web sites that are low cost. The other tactic will be some sort of agency or service. I'm learning towards a specialized service that's affordable and away from the agencies in general.
Either way, its solely focused on women that want to marry and have children, plain and simple, cut and dry. The only women in North America that motivated are women over 35 clinging to the chance to have children and of course single mothers. In EE I can for sure get 28-35 and push for up to 25 and get it. That is virtually impossible here.
If you can come up with a better scheme then let me know, but I know you can't.
ThatGuy865
09-05-10, 10:37
I'll bite but you make it sound like we are just complaining and should leave, you don't happen to be Libertarian or Republican/NeoCon?
I happen to think my best chance as passed me by, my best opportunities lost. The best looking woman I've ever been involved with hadn't seen me in person before. She was only disappointed because as is often said, Luck is made when preparation meets opportunity. I was unprepared and unemployed at the time. If I had $100 I could have closed that deal, I couldn't even borrow $30 from so-called "Friends". That was 1995!
Another woman that was putty in my hands was a French-Canadian girl I met on mIRC, that was 1994/1995.
Since then, I should have left my ex for a woman down in San Diego or a woman that lived in Ventura. I did neither I stood pat was still unhappy and when I finally decided to let her go, it was 2 years later. (1996-1999)
So from 2000-2010, its gotten progressively worst. Nothing but Single Mothers and BBW's. Women without children are not interested in me for whatever reason. I think its because these women want LTR and so do I just not with their children. So I've been reluctant to commit and the one woman I would have accepted her young son, rebuffed me in Oslo, Norway.
I can't explain childless women, likely because I live at home, but to be honest I don't think that would be a marked improvement if I did move, at least nobody I want to be with that I have seen, just old ass women, unless you consider mid 30's viable and I really don't.
Since AW only like a 2-5 year age difference and tolerate 7-10 years ONLY when they have children or over 40, in which case all the older women want younger men, not Cougars just don't want a guy that's 50 when they are 40, they want 30-40 men. Single mothers its obvious, stability is their concern.
So TG what am I suppose to do? I don't want to date women over 30, let alone over 35. I have a mild interest in a Austrian woman who's 35, married for a Green Card and is a UCLA student. I haven't heard from her this week, this is likely because classes have started, who knows. She's mmm hot (Blonde, Blue Eyes, been on TV in her home country). I sense an opportunity but I fear my economic situation will be my undoing once again.
So I have picked a plan that just might work. It involves either South America (less likely) or Eastern Europe. It has to work because I feel this is it, I have about a 5 year window total about a 2-3 year window to make it happen. It also might involve relocation as I think as the US slides further into Depression and likely to double dip (40% chance according to Dr Doom) and it will be awhile for a full recovery (2015 many are saying if not longer).
Once I know I will be able to visit women at any given time (within reason) I will start to contact women on the two or three web sites that are low cost. The other tactic will be some sort of agency or service. I'm learning towards a specialized service that's affordable and away from the agencies in general.
Either way, its solely focused on women that want to marry and have children, plain and simple, cut and dry. The only women in North America that motivated are women over 35 clinging to the chance to have children and of course single mothers. In EE I can for sure get 28-35 and push for up to 25 and get it. That is virtually impossible here.
If you can come up with a better scheme then let me know, but I know you can't.DJ. 1st Id say for what you bring to the table you shouldn't expect much. Why would any woman want to be with you. No job. Live with mommy. And over 30 without a degree. Now why would a beautiful 20 something want to be with you. What do you have to offer. Id don't say this to flame. But be real. Do expect a woman to settle. When their are obviously thousands of better choices than you.
Realistically you better lower your standards and face reality. Countries all over are having economic problems. Immigration for work is being tightened everywhere. You will not have any experience in a specialized field so. It is unlikely that you will be able to gain employment in any of those cities. And if you bring a young girl from any country to L. A.. It won't be long before she realizes you are living at the bottom of the barrel and will leave for a younger probably with a better income.
Your best bet is to search for a woman. Any woman. (children or not). And if they two of you can get along personality wise. Forget the rest and be happy. Beauty is fleeting and fades with age anyway. Guys who marry for such only set themselves up for divorce. JMHO
pull your pants up, comb your hair, lose 50 pounds, lose the stupid t-shirts, tie your shoelaces, stop saying "like" every third word, cover your mouth when you cough or yawn, get all the shrapnel and scrap metal out of your lips and eyebrows, and stop chewing gum with your mouth open.
clean up your fucking act. 239 more days to go.
most importantly, do not say awesome. that's for **** school girls, not adults.
Just got back from 12 days in the UK, and was horrified. At least half of them are overweight, I'd put the same totals as what was reported on AWs, maybe 30% or so were a proper weight. And even the nicer looking ones dressed like $hit, unbelievable. When one compares whats in Colombia and other parts of SA with what I saw there, at least I was able to tour through the old cities and stuff, in some ways the buildings are better looking than the women.
UK women = AW who don't ever go to the dentist.
Australiasucks
09-06-10, 01:07
The "US food industry" deserves perhaps 1% of the blame for the obesity epidemic. Many healthy food choices are available in US supermarkets, certainly more so than in Argentina, for example. People's personal choices are to blame. It's sad when parents don't provide good examples or good choices for their children. When did it become acceptable to serve soda pop at the dinner table, for example? Blame the sedentary lifestyle, the unwillingness to exercise, the inability to cook, and just plain ridiculous gluttony. Snack snack snack munch munch munch all day long, and then more pigging out in front of the TV. I don't eat sweets or junk food, I exercise almost every day, I don't own a car, and I read labels. I am not a vegetarian but my diet is built around grains and legumes. I don't count calories and I drink 8 or 10 beers a day, and I'm not fat. The "US food industry" is just a scapegoat for a lack of self-control and an unwillingness to take personal responsibility.
SOOOO-EY!Very true, some fatties were suing McDonalds a few years back blaming them for getting fat. You have something called choice, as to what you put in your mouth. The sheeple do no realize this, and hence make horrible food choices. Americans love to consume large amounts of crap in their diets. I met an American in Sydney who whined that she missed Costco, and could not buy a gallon of peanut butter. LOL.
Just got back from 12 days in the UK, and was horrified. At least half of them are overweight, I'd put the same totals as what was reported on AWs, maybe 30% or so were a proper weight. And even the nicer looking ones dressed like $hit, unbelievable.I was in Barcelona one year ago. A similar experience. It was not as bad as USA yet, but I could hardly find a decently looking Spanish girl. I was with an FSU girlfriend so I did not care much, only made some observations. Most of the girls were either: with fat/thick legs and butts +nice face, or ok legs and ugly face, or everything just fat. The ones who looked good were normally from FSU, Brazil, etc.
Americans love to consume large amounts of crap in their diets. I met an American in Sydney who whined that she missed Costco, and could not buy a gallon of peanut butter. LOL.Costco amuses me when there I always see groups of nasty whales with huge carts full food, and they cannot even make it to home without a snack, they must stop by Costco cafeteria for several slices of pizza and a litre of Cola.
In Acme, there is also some "amusing" scenery. One my friend told me that there was a fat ass customer, she did not want to reach for a box from a shelf by herself. she yelled in a rude way at a counter worker "hey, come here and give me that box".
Even those Acme workers who must had seen lots of shit before, were pissed and mad at that scank. She also had a child sitting in her cart. I guess the poor child has been also taught to be lazy ass not to walk.
Americans love to consume large amounts of crap in their diets. I met an American in Sydney who whined that she missed Costco, and could not buy a gallon of peanut butter. LOL.
I feel that's an unwarranted dig - I happen to be a native of the USA, and I also like peanut butter. Not by the gallon, though. :p
So many of us in the USA have predicated so much of our lives on "convenience" and on "raking in all we can get" that we've lost track of nutrition or balance in those lives.
Australiasucks
09-06-10, 03:21
I feel that's an unwarranted dig - I happen to be a native of the USA, and I also like peanut butter. Not by the gallon, though. :p
So many of us in the USA have predicated so much of our lives on "convenience" and on "raking in all we can get" that we've lost track of nutrition or balance in those lives.You sure got that right. I thought she was an idiot. And Costco actually does operate in Australia but has not been very successful, Australians do not see the point of buying gallons of crap like peanut butter.
See, peanut butter is an okay food in moderation. I believe it is the most calorically dense food available (calories per ounce), so that makes it handy on camping trips and so forth. But, it has 16 grams of fat for every I believe it is 7 grams of protein. Calories per gram of protein and the protein/fat ratio are two things I always look at when making food choices. And as guys we need to look at sodium because that can lead to high blood pressure, and high blood pressure medication can lead to a limp noodle.
I haven't missed a day of work in 17 years and I have not been to a doctor other than a dentist in six years, and I've been to the doctor about five times in the last twenty years. I drink like a fish, smoke as much weed as I can get my hands on (not much lately), keep irregular hours, etc., so the keys have to be diet and exercise.
Soda pop should have excise taxes similar to booze and cigarettes, I think. Also these fat fucks should pay more for health insurance.
I drink like a fish, smoke as much weed as I can get my hands on (not much lately), keep irregular hours, etc., so the keys have to be diet and exercise.What's interesting, also the Japanese drink and smoke a lot. Yet they have the longest life, and also the lowest obesity rate. Probably the key is that for many of them to have a car is luxury, they also eat good food and in moderation.
Either way, its solely focused on women that want to marry and have children, plain and simple, cut and dry. The only women in North America that motivated are women over 35 clinging to the chance to have children and of course single mothers. In EE I can for sure get 28-35 and push for up to 25 and get it. That is virtually impossible here.
If you can come up with a better scheme then let me know, but I know you can't.Have you tried the link love.mail.ru I posted some time ago? There is a bunch of FSU women who are already in USA. You may save yourself a lot of time and money, also it may cut off those prospects who will want you for green card only.
Regarding traveling to E.E. It is not a bad idea in general, but the bad news is that the longer you wait the more difficult it's gonna be.
The women there are getting more educated about the west, they have more money, they are more westernized, everybody has fast Internet access, etc... in Moscow many people have higher salaries than many Americans. Unless she is from some messed up village, many in the cities would not even wanna talk to Americans. Also some Americans have made a bad reputation there of being cheap asses.
So it is getting harder and harder to find something there for an average guy. Unless you wanna close the deal with an fat&ugly EE.W. you better have something to show to her such as good job, security, generosity etc.. They are not as naive as they used to be anymore. This sucks big time, but that's the reality.
I personally do not even wanna bother with E.E. For me it has been ruined during the past 10-15 years. I'm looking further east and south where still family and other traditions exist. Also feminism is not welcomed there.
Bango Cheito
09-06-10, 06:22
The food supply definitely has a lot to do with it.... I lost crazy weight here in Colombia without really having to work for it... and people here have a lot of bad habits too, but it doesn't make them fat fucks...
Of course the culture shock is another thing.... that's just unacceptable...
Bango Cheito
09-06-10, 06:26
I'm sure all those drug gang teenagers in Colombia. Are very courteous about shooting and robbing you. Theyuse proper etiquitte when they rob you.
Actually it's the opposite, the muggers here are very rude, whereas in the USA for some reason they try to pretend they're your friend first before pulling out the knife or gun... for some reason it runs 180 degrees contrary to what the prevailing culture is.... go figure...
And if they are in the business of selling drugs, they aren't going to rob you. They make more than enough money selling drugs to not have to do that. DOH!
ThatGuy865
09-06-10, 08:05
The food supply definitely has a lot to do with it. I lost crazy weight here in Colombia without really having to work for it. And people here have a lot of bad habits too, but it doesn't make them fat fucks.
Of course the culture shock is another thing. That's just unacceptable.man I've been to Colombia and its not close to what you make it out to be. Woman are standoffish there too. Went to Medellin and the very first thing they tell you is to forget about women from poblado. Why is that?. Because they are not the poor girls. They have decent jobs or come from middle to upper income for Medellin and are tough to talk to just like AW.
Also its not like every woman you see is a head turner. I went all around the city day and night. Saw some beautiful girls. But saw a bunch of fuglies too.
The pickins to me were no better than in any other city. Actually girls in SEA seemed twice as nice as colombians when it comes to personality and you can find just as many beauties. If not more.
Men also? I wonder, because AW’s stop caring about being feminine, you know, looking like women a few decades ago. Many, now because of their weight issues either wear very unflattering outfits. If they attempt to wear a dress, it looks more like a big top tent because they are so obese or they wear very masculine looking jeans and baggy shorts. Some even try sagging just like the young and old people trying to imitate the USA's prison inmate population, as if that was a "style".
I tell you, the more I leave the USA on my travels, the more I get depressed as far as the femininity of the women of the places I visit versus the lack of it by our AW's. The just don't act like they don't give a shit about how they look, they actually show you they don't give a crap about it.
This is why so many female delegations go overseas trying to inspire their sisters into becoming biotches just like them. I really hope they are not listening to this BS propaganda of the AW culture. Don't get me wrong, there are quite a few good looking AW's left; but have you spoken to them?
The good looking AW’s that I've spoken to have major, major hang-ups about the pursuit of fun and relationships. Besides the major headaches or basket cases that they truly are, most of them won't go down on you; I'd say at least 8 out of 10 won't. Oh, they will accept you going down on them all day, but won't reciprocate. They think sex is a means of getting what they want. When they think they are going to have their way and will give you a little bit of that starfish action, they just don't know how to let go and truly enjoy the experience.
Now, if you have ever seeing them in their holidays to say, anywhere in the Caribbean? They DO have the same drive and can be just as scandalous as us males in the USA! So, I don't understand their psychological make up, but I do recognize their hypocrisy when they criticize us for leaving the USA to have a great time.
Just got back from 12 days in the UK, and was horrified. At least half of them are overweight, I'd put the same totals as what was reported on AWs, maybe 30% or so were a proper weight. And even the nicer looking ones dressed like $hit, unbelievable. When one compares whats in Colombia and other parts of SA with what I saw there, at least I was able to tour through the old cities and stuff, in some ways the buildings are better looking than the women.
For every one whinning guy who doesn't like AW. There are 10 men and 20 women begging to come into America.
And even for latin countries its mexico. Which has to have the fattest women of latin america
So leave. You won't be missed and leave those who are happy with AW. Which obviously is the majority.
TG
TG865, the first step is denial...
I would rather have the opinions of people on this forum who explicity travel the world looking for beautiful women to fuck than America's backyard on where to go. ISG is an EXPERT place to ask and find where hot women are to bang. Everyone agrees it's not America.
Looks like at the top of the list the people that are "dying" to get into America are from 3rd world countries. You want to compare America with other industrialized nations for a standard of living it's not even close. That's why those people are not coming here.
And based solely on women I'd rather live in 7 of the countries on the list below than America anyway.
ThatGuy865
09-06-10, 19:08
TG865, the first step is denial...
I would rather have the opinions of people on this forum who explicity travel the world looking for beautiful women to fuck than America's backyard on where to go. ISG is an EXPERT place to ask and find where hot women are to bang. Everyone agrees it's not America.
Looks like at the top of the list the people that are "dying" to get into America are from 3rd world countries. You want to compare America with other industrialized nations for a standard of living it's not even close. That's why those people are not coming here.
And based solely on women I'd rather live in 7 of the countries on the list below than America anyway.First off basing a place to live solely on women. Is not what I would consider smart
The problem is you have to take all the rest those countries have to offer along with the women. Which is crappy 3rd world facilities, supply of food, medical services and the lack there of, lack of any serious security for you. How diligent would the police be. Even if you did report a crime. Without a payoff.
The top countries would be 3rd world countries. And 3rd world countries are usually the ones mongers talk about women looking and behaving the way they like women to act. You think there might be a correlation between poverity and the ability of a women to make it on her own. Yes the women act the way they do because of mainly necessity and that necessity has also instilled a culture of dependency on marriage and family. If not. Then why is it when these women get to a 1st country and given the opportunity the quickly embrace the attitudes and qualities of a 1st world woman. Its because economics and financial and legal means have empowered them.
The bottom line is we mongers. Myself included. Reap the benefits of economically disadvantage women. Pure and simple. If the economics were equal in these countries the woman would be much more selective. You don't read about mongers getting upper middle income women from these countries. Which would be equalivent to our middle income.
TG telling it like it is. Ya dig
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