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BootyLover
01-11-03, 15:20
Here's the way i do it:
1- I check the price for average SW encounter (FS) which should be around 4 times the price of a weed.
2-I calculate the market value of a good fuck (2 pops or one with greek); generally twice the average. Good shape, average or below look (why focusing on look for that short term), good service, good attitude. Try to avoid good looking SW cause you'll end up paying for the look which you obviously are not using. Keep focus on word of mouth, kinkyness, cleanliness, shape and above all attitude & service. Don't forget to be a repeat customer with those offering good service
3- When a regular girl try to entice me into expenses to get her pussy, I divide the projected expense by the market value of a good fuck and assess if i'll be willing to do her as much times or if the deal is bargain/rip-off
4- I know I can't get the best of both world and focus on shape instead of look. Why? Women spend most of their bucks in look improvements cause they expect us to buy in such things. Focusing on shape make them impatient to recover their investment since there are less buyers.
5- I most of my regulars among what they call "sluts" cause they are easier & the more girls you have the more you get
6- I don't ever give monopoly of my sex life to any woman (monopoly is never good for the consumer). I cheat on a regular basis and keep on using SW (to keep my bargaining skills sharp)
This work all over the world, I'm telling you
P.S. Avoid early mariages, there's no emergency for men. Just wait for your high twenties.
darkseid, man, you are great! Please drop me a line at supertomcat001@lycos.com, I need some advices from you. Thanks.
Sinanju Master
01-12-03, 00:52
Bootylover, you just gave me a great idea; when another American woman asks me why I no longer find them appealing, I can quote your last post as would an accountant quoting the tax code to an inquiring mind. It would serve the THREEFOLD purpose of exposing a shoddy product, pissing them off and putting them in their place. Damned if I'LL pay Neiman Marcus prices for Salvation Army quality.
i love that idea bootylover. it is very practical. i also think there should be more men like us out there in america. unfortunately, most american men are wimps and they bottle their bad feelings up instead of expressing them to these bad american women. then they end up [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) them or becoming homosexuals like my friend i knew since childhood. or they become politicians only to give in to the prude majority of this country and they make laws banning sex. bill clinton is such a specimen of a puppet to his wife hillary and so is rudolph guliani.
paddy, i took a look at match.com and it was pathetic. this is what they really mean:
overweight-500+ pound behemoth!!
a little extra padding- 300+ pound sumo wrestler
average- 200-300 pound elephant
athletic- transitonal fat 200-300 pound pig
slim- 130-200 pound pig
heavy smoker- smokes cigarettes one after another. works in taverns or home where chain smoking is allowed. who needs a chimney?
moderate smoker-5 packs a day- bad breath and yellow teeth raspy voice that sounds like tina turner
light smoker- a pack a day
In order to control American women you have to adhere to strict guidelines.
1. Never take them to your place, go to theirs.
2. When you go to their place, never stay overnight, leave a short while after screwing them.
3. If they have a best friend, get into their best friends pants. It makes good for revenge and they hate that their friend did you.
4. Make them come to you or call you. Don't make the mistake of falling all over them or constantly calling them.
5. Don't be a nice guy unless you find a good person to hook up with. Believe it or not it can happen.
Follow these steps and you can stay one step ahead of the stuck up ones.
[quote]originally posted by darkseid
[i]i love that idea bootylover. it is very practical. i also think there should be more men like us out there in america. unfortunately, most american men are wimps and they bottle their bad feelings up instead of expressing them to these bad american women. then they end up [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) them or becoming homosexuals like my friend i knew since childhood. or they become politicians only to give in to the prude majority of this country and they make laws banning sex. bill clinton is such a specimen of a puppet to his wife hillary and so is rudolph guliani.
paddy, i took a look at match.com and it was pathetic. this is what they really mean:
overweight-500+ pound behemoth!!
a little extra padding- 300+ pound sumo wrestler
average- 200-300 pound elephant
athletic- transitonal fat 200-300 pound pig
slim- 130-200 pound pig
you hit this one on target. i don't know how many times i have been setup with someone that was proportionate or average and find someone bigger than me (i'm 6'5" 260). usually the person that set me up would say, but she has a big heart. my reply would be that's not the only big thing. why aren't they just honest about it?
My oldest brother fell victim to that and was set up with a behemoth on match.com when the ad said she was average. The girl was actually 230 lbs at 5'2" tall!!! She has the body of Rikishi from World Wrestling Federation! He also married her because unfortunately in America, he doesn't have much luck with women due to the discrimination of American women against Asian men. In fact, her parents even disapproved of him!! They should be happy that my brother is taking that behemoth off of their hands. Her parents eventually accepted him after realizing that she hasn't had many takers for her. My mother is still angry with the in-laws though because they really pissed her off.
Originally posted by sinanjumaster
Damned if I'LL pay Neiman Marcus prices for Salvation Army quality.
Exactly.
I gave up on American women a long, long time ago. I'm married to a Mexican-American, and that is wonderful. Occassionally I sneak off to Brazil for some fun. I long ago gave up figuring out just what it was that American women look for in a guy. I'm serious. I really haven't a clue.
BootyLover
01-15-03, 05:32
Bigg Dogg, I got it and will practice on a daily basis. This collective mind will make us sharper.
I think the point here is that u shouldnt really care about american women in general, those who r fat, most are, those who work or have kids, bar hop or just hang aorund the malls n stuff like that... but those u should really enjoy and concentrate on are those high class american escorts....i travel and american high class escorts are as good as u'll get anywhere in the world...texas, NY, nevada, California, Illinois, Florida and Georgia have a lot of top class ones...
one thing about american high class escorts is that they really know how to please, sexually... unlike in south korea where they couldn't really suck dick to save their lives....that's another story...
sure, these american mainstream gals can be a little difficult but who really cares unless u want to associate urself with an american mainstream gal....
common sense really...u want a gal that is simple and has very LOW expectations of her man...go to ur brazil's, thailand's, russia's, colombia's...the list goes on and on....they'll just be very happy someone actually gives a crap about them...let alone likes them or wants to make them part of their life...they'll be forever thankful...unless u beat the crap out of her for kicks...
so there u go, its ur choice, take it or leave it...simple as that...
gooday, happy screwing....
:)
Hi Headgames,
I've been "told" and have "read" that American women have two basic criteria or hurdles that men have to pass before they'll give you the time of day.
Number one for American women is you have to pass the "looks" test. I guess that if you're not average to above average in appearance you can forget it. I would guess that this involves facial features, height, physique and clothes.
Now, if you can pass that test, they then need to know how much money you make or if are you in a good profession. Basically, they want to know if you're a good prospect and whether or not you can support them when they decide to quit working. I know that this is a personal observation but it seems that most American women just want to go shopping and "do lunch" with their gossipy freinds for the rest of their lives.
The above criteria are only the beginning of their "selection" process. What comes after these two initlal critera who knows? Your comments, addtions, subtractions?
I agree with you Paddy, physical looks and money ARE the 2 first things they look for. A possible third critria is race. American women hate complications and want convenience. They always choose a man of their own race over someone of another race because they are scared of disapproval with their family or their gossipy friends.
American women also don't love men enough to have to support them. They would NEVER consider dating a retard or a cripple. This brings up a fourth criteria which is physical ability to take care of himself. Even if the cripple is wealthy and handsome, the American woman would still steer clear of him. They don't want the inconvenience of taking care of him unless he has enough money to hire a nurse.
Forget friendliness and sexual performance, American women could care less about those 2 criteria. You could be an asshole or impotent but if you meet the criterias, they would flock to you even if you smack them around or suck in bed. If you are unfriendly or impotent, it makes it so much easier for the American woman to want to leave you and take you for all you've got. They won't feel guilty leaving you unlike having to leave a friendly guy. They are probably afraid of hooking up with the right guy because they want to use their sexaul power to get as much wealth from divorces as possible before they die. I guess that's why all American women make the friendly guys their "friends" instead of sexual lovers. They're afraid if they hook up with the right guy, they have to put a lid on their marrying for money bullshit.
Exhale, what makes foreign women so much better than American women is that they appreciate the friendly guys unlike American women that take friendliness for granted. As far as American high class escorts, most are good but that is because you are paying top dollar for them so of course they MUST try their best to please you or they won't get repeat business. They charge outrageous prices for their services from $500 to as much as $2000 for an hour for a gorgeous supermodel porn star. What makes South American or European women so great is that they are grateful for your patronage. They aim to please for much much less than the high class American escort. But then again, the lower price we pay in American dollars earns them a lot more where they live. As for Korean women, they are the worst Asians in bed. My father even said Korean women suck and he had some while serving the military. The best Asian women in bed are the Phillipinas and the Thais. Both me and my father agree on that.
I would have to agree when an American woman looks into your eyes they are looking for $$$$ and looks. I always laugh to myself when you hear about women who constantly go back into a relationship with someone who beats them or is an ass. While the good guys are wondering what is wrong with this picture. The women from the show Joe Millionaire want to sue the producers. Why? Because they got caught by their own game. Ha Ha.
Sinanju Master
01-16-03, 00:23
Your accusations about American women ring true my bretheren. For a LOOOOOOONG time, even before I knew this website existed (Hell, even before the Internet really took off!!) I'd noticed that American women spoke with a forked tongue: they'd say one thing and mean another, and wonder why they are the cause of such exasperation. Whenever I traveled overseas, the ability to stike up a friendly conversation with even a reasonably attractive woman (I wasn't hunting for pussy ALL the time) was so easy, that it seemed just NATURAL. My dalliances with babes from England, Ireland, South Africa, Norway and Germany can attest to that. Compare that to here in the U.S. and it's like night and day. You can instantly feel the bad attitude even if she doesn't verbalize it. They are the most jaded women I have EVER seen of ANY nationality and they take the joy out of appreciating nature's most beautiful creation. I love to read the bullshit bios in Playboy that say the Playmate of the month, whomever she may be at that time, loves a "nice" guy who has a sense of humor, will open doors for her blah blah blah. Shit like that makes me wanna vomit more than a teenage bulimic girl trying to fit into a size 0 prom dress! I think to myself: "Does the boyfriend who is fucking your best friend, sponging off you, promising you the world while giving you a landfill and treating you like a stool sample fulfill that bullshit criteria, or are you so stupid that you think you can fool a guy by saying one thing while your actions say otherwise"?
Myself, I wouldn't go the route of the high class escort. It'd be MAYBE a thing I'd do every couple years IF I knew she could drain me of my bodily fluids and make the experience so outstandingly otherworldly that I'd be babbling in another language. But that's just MY taste. If that's the preference of others, who am I to knock it?
Paddy, you're basically right about the criteria. What gets me as mad as the Hulk is that when they spot the "fulfillment" of their criteria and they marry the guy, the guy maintains his criteria (at least financially by earning the money that satisfies her monetary requirements, and throgh the prestige of his chosen field of employment) but SHE does NOT! This failure of the chick to maintain what attracted the guy to her in the first place (her looks; no man in the WORLD is gonna say out loud that he spotted a woman's personality while walking down the street) is manifested by the woman letting herself go (gaining a lot of weight, refusing to dress as she had in the beginning of the relationship because she "has" him now and doesn't have to work for it, etc). This bait and switch is seen as perfectly OK by women, but let a guy point out that she is letting herself go, and he's instantly seen as a pig! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!! HULK SMASH OPRAH SHOW! LOL
Sinajumaster,
Man, you hit my state of affairs perfectly. My ex, almost weeks into our marriage, began to get fat, chopped off her hair (she said that it was fashionable - actually, it was butt ugly) and started her descent into asexuality. She also wanted to sleep all the time (probably because of weight gain) and started to talk about quitting her job and starting a family. I mean, the norms and rules of our previous life went right out the window. It was like I was living with this alien whom I did recognize either physically or emotionally.
She also became very demanding of me but if I made any request of her or tried to encourage her to do someting about her appearance, she went thermonuclear ballistic. It's like American women can dish it out but they sure can't take it. After about six months, I felt totally betrayed and still do to this day.
Unfortunately, virtually every guy I know who is or was married has experienced about the same thing. Weird isn't it??? Good thing that we have this site and know where we can find REAL women overseas.
Dick Johnson
01-16-03, 09:30
Two words :
Pre Nup
I'm glad I didn't take the marriage road and that my ex-fiancee changed BEFORE we got married. She just couldn't wait to lose the disguise and let go. With the advice of her American woman friend, she went from a sweet Cuban immigrant to Oprah Winfrey. It's as though I don't know her any more because she turned into a totally different person after her American friend, Martha, poisoned her thoughts. She stopped exercising and gained 80 pounds weighing 195, she made up "anniversary" days and demanded shoes and jewelry (she had a total of maybe 300 pairs that stuffed the coat closet, too many to count!), and she also wanted to quit her job to stay home and start a family. Some guys are much less fortunate than I was because I was able to just call off the marriage. With some guys, the wife WAITS until they get married then let themselves go and morph into Jabba the Hut from Playboy model. They would have to file a divorce and lose their possessions to lose Jabba the Hutt. America has the highest divorce rate on the planet because most guys think its worth ditching Jabba the Hutt (about 60% of all marriages end in divorce in America whereas overseas their numbers are much lower.)
Then you look at the divorced women and 90% of them are fat and are trying to lose weight to sucker another guy. They also have hidden assets they sign over to their families so they won't be seen as golddiggers.
Dickhead has the right idea. If you ever get married in America get the pre-nup!!
Sinanju Master
01-17-03, 02:10
I just remembered an interesting phenomenon that a coworker told me about when we were talking about gold digging beeyatches. He called it the "I Got A Man Syndrome", and he illustrated it as thus: he was walking in the mall with the wife and rugrats when he noticed a single mother with her two young children in tow. I think he vaguely knew this chick, 'cos he told me she was about 26 and looked closer to 16, but she had NO MAN. The premise is that if she wanted to set her trap, she had to bust her ass at the gym, eat right, havea good attitude, etc. Having two kids along is gonna be a deterrent to most guys, so, the spider in question (the chick) has to spin this web in order to set the trap for an unsuspecting fly (the hapless guy who hasn't visited this website). NOW... when said spider ensnares fly to te point where escape is an attractive (but a seemingly impossible) option, she sheds the trap/illusion and morphs into Jabba.
My ex-wife was like one of the sci-fi movies where the aliens have human looking shells, but underneath are vicious, bloodletting reptiles. I found that out after 2 years of marriage, what a shocker. I actually told her who the hell are you anymore. So now I live by my rules previously posted. The only way to have control, is to be in control.
Once an American woman has you in the hold of marriage, they literally grabbed you by the nuts and control every one of your actions. The only way out is to yank yourself free and lose one of your nuts (half your money and income). Once married to them, they feel they can do whatever they want. They don't feel they need to work out anymore, they boss you around, they order shoes and jewelry after seeing them in TV commercials while they are home watching their soap operas and eating bonbons, and they deny you sex unless you work for it. They basically have you on a leash like Jabba the Hutt had Princess Leia on a leash in Return of the Jedi when he captured her.
Sinanju Master
01-18-03, 00:17
Quite a while back, I met my best friend's cousin when she was single. It was about a couple years before she got married and she was marginally attractive enough to want to fuck. She got married anywhere from a few months to a year after my best friend got married. When I saw her the next time, I thought to myself: "Jee-zus! When did she develop a BLOWHOLE and start working for Sea World??" From what I pieced together from my best friend telling me, the guy she got married to seemed to become a crustacean once she got her hooks into him. GONE were the slim figure and the sweet demeanor, only to be replaced by the Wicked ***** of the West with an extra 100 pounds and a desire to control that would match that of Kim Jong Il. She CONSTANTLY belittles hubby even in front of us (my best friend and me) while he says either nothing or responds with a weak retort, if you can call it even THAT. I pity the poor bastard when I think of the life he had BEFORE he married Matilda the Hun. He had (and still HAS, although it could be snatched at any moment if this harpy is so inclined) a sizable nest egg, many dates with attractive women and cool wheels. Now, I can only imagine that he prays for a quick death that is preferable to the slow agonizing hell of being married to this witch. And YES, my brothers, SHE DOES NOT WORK AT ALL!!
Need I f#(&!#G say more:
University of Chicago study that questioned more than 1,700 women, ages 18 to 59. That 1999 study found 43 percent of women reported having one or more persistent symptoms of sexual dysfunction, such as a lack of desire for sex, during the previous year.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/860874.asp?0bl=-0
The quote is from an article that indicates this study may be overblown, and the actual figure is a measly 25% of American Women are asexual...
LoveLOS
The study in question came from the Kinsey Institute at Indiana University. Very importantly, it excluded ALL women who had not been in a realtionship for 6 months. Logically, some of those excluded women may not have been in a recent relationship because of their existing sexual problems. Therefore, the 24.4% of women who experience "severe distress" according to the recent Kinsey study is probably an underestimate. One thing is for sure, the Kinsey study is a seriously biased or restricted sample as a result and is far from being a random sample of the general population. I teach statistics and research design at a well know Midwestern University and their conclusions are suspect to say the least. Oddly enough, the Kinsey Institute has always conducted very sound and acceptable research in the past. I can only conclude that they have new personnel running the show there.
Furthermore, the recent Kinsey study was a telephone ONLY study whereas the University of Chicago study in 1999 consisted of a 90 minute face-to-face interview. Hey, if you quickly ask most American women over the phone if they have sexual problems, the vast majority will probably respond that everything is just wonderful. Also, women psychologists and sociologists are rallying around the new Kinsey report and saying things like "I told you so" as if to say that women are actually OK and that men must be the problem. Typical.
One last thing. The Kinsey study dealt with American women ONLY. I wonder what the results would look like if they conducted their restrictive and very narrow study on women from Brazil, Holland, Russia, the Ukraine, the Czech Republic, etc.
Sinanju Master
01-18-03, 19:37
I concur, Paddy. Besides, for the most part, I shun statistical findings on human behavior because I ask myself several questions: "What is the social/political leaning of the tester and what is their agenda (hidden or not)? By whom is the study conducted? By whom is the study funded? How large is the test sample? What or WHO consisted of the sample?" THESE questions are the FIRST ones I ask immediately, to bring to light anything that may reveal the true purpose of the study that isn't apparent. I love number crunching for its own sake, but it can be tainted and therefore, useless. If you ask Shere Hite to conduct the same report, American women would come through as angelic, yet-to-reach-perfection test subjects while revealing American men to be low-browed, knuckle-dragging, club wielding beasts whose only vocabulary includes the words: "Og want woman. Og fuck woman. Og finish. Og repeat."
Here's a good quote from the Moscow Times, July 23, 2002,"Taking the Risk Out of Mail-Order Romance".
<Michael Berkowitz, a 54-year-old California businessmen who is hoping to marry a Russian woman he met on a tour to Moscow, agrees.
"I like Russian women more than American women," he says. "It seems as if Russian ladies are more involved with the relationship; you are not just a money tag and they are willing to put themselves out for their man." American television series such as "Ally McBeal" and "Sex and the City" might imply that there are thousands of desperate single women looking for husbands in the United States, but Adams says this is not the case. Successful men in their late 30s and 40s hoping to start a family can't find a partner because older women have decided they don't want children and twentysomethings are too busy establishing a career, he says. In Russia, on the other hand, younger women can't find a stable partner.>
Sinanjumaster, your cousin's friend sounds just like my ex-fiancee except my ex-fiancee could not hold out until marriage. I was lucky that she lost the disguise before that and revealed her true ugly ogress self. She tried to force me to work my butt off while she talked of not finding a job after she graduates from graduate school and to live off of my paycheck to raise "our" family. What a waste of money to go to school just to be unemployed and become a mother? She also forces me to buy her shoes. We argued a lot because of the constant power struggle between me and the American reformed her. See, this is why you can't bring your Cuban girl to America because she will change after meeting an American woman friend. I one day got fed up with her and called off the marriage. She's lucky I wasn't meaner and would leave her at the altar.
I think that part of the 25% (or more) American woman's sexual dysfunction problem is the inhibitive moral teachings of our society. They teach that a girl having lots of sex is wrong. When you dated a lot in your younger years, you probably get a lot of women pushing you away when you unbutton their blouse and they say that it's not right to do this. You even promised to use a condom and to practice sex safely and she pushes you away saying it's just wrong (or immoral). See, it is the habit of these American women to not have sex because it has been programmed into them. It's like American women have a "V" chip in their heads or a cyber-nanny. When it's time for the good kinky part, they shut you off from it just like the "V" chip blanks the screen when a nude or sex scene comes on (my prude aunt bought a "V" chip for my poor cousin who is 21 even and should have been allowed to see porn since 18). The teachings of morality is the cause of sexual dysfunction in America. I also disagree that only 25% have dysfunction. I think it is more like 99% of them because all American women didn't allow sex until the fifth date (if I was lucky enough to find an American "****").
Here's a story from November 26, 2002 By Brian Carnell.
In 2001 Heather Mercer won a $2 million sex discrimination lawsuit against Duke University -- Mercer successfully argued that when she was cut as a kicker from Duke's football team, that the coach's decision was motivated by her gender rather than her kicking ability. This month, however, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth District overturned that damage award, though not the verdict.
The trial court had imposed punitive damages but the appeals court ruled that such damages could not be assessed in private Title IX actions. The appeals court relied on a recent U.S. Supreme Court case, Barnes v. Gorman, which disallowed punitive damages in a wide variety of discrimination lawsuits.
The main lesson to emerge from the whole incident is that football coaches should not give female kickers tryouts if they want to avoid such lawsuits (a position that is completely legal under Title IX).
Sinanju Master
01-21-03, 12:04
Another example of American WOMEN wanting to (metaphorically) be MEN...
Hey, if American women are 200+ pounds, they can qualify to be football players or they can go to Japan to be Sumo Wrestlers. Hehe...
Sinanju Master
01-21-03, 23:57
Actually, Darkseid, in this very litigious country, if said "Female Fridge" got roughed up and broke a nail (in a game that's a step away from team gladiator combat), she'd sue for unnecessary roughness and a sympathetic (man-bashing) jury would award her more in punitive damages to soothe her hurt feelings than the highest paid player could ever earn in the entire span of his contract at the peak of his abilities. How's THAT for equality?
American women want it both ways. They want to participate in man sports yet they worry about their nails? My capoeira teacher who is a Brazilian woman tells the female students to cut their fingernails and toenails or they cannot participate in the class. I totally agree with her on that. Nails are sharp and can break skin and at the same time, if they are too long, they break and rip off the woman's fingers and cause her to bleed. I think if they want to participate, they should lose everything that gets in the way like nails, jewelry, body hairs, long hair, etc. Outside the sport they could still be effeminate but when playing a sport, she should take the bad that goes with it, the chance to break a nail, get a black eye or bruises, etc. Unfortunately, American women want to participate without suffering the bad side of it.
Another ridiculous thing about them is that American women don't like to be felt up while playing sport. There was even a lawsuit when a male wrestler pinned a female wrestler and the female wrestler accused the male of groping her. Guess what, the female wrestler won and was awarded for emotional distress and humiliation. We live in a society where we get sued for even handling women even in sports. We midas well let the female football player run to the field goal without tackling her for fear of being sued for sexual assault.
Another example of how our society has become more Puritan is Woodstock. During the first woodstock in the 60s, no American Woman sued for sexual assault or harrassment. It was the time of free love. But in Woodstock II which happened in the late 90s, women sued for sexual assault because they accused guys of "feeling them up" or groping them while all they just did was pass them above their heads so that she can get to the front stage to meet her favorite star. Sheesh!! Last time we'll do that favor for them.
Let's be a little fair here on the sports side of things and not paint with too wide a brush -- there are plenty of sports where women's only options are either to go for the men's teams or not be able to play at all, and wrestling is definitely one of them. There are a number of women who grew up in wrestling households -- their father and all their brothers did it -- who have wanted to do what the rest of the family did and whose only option is to go for the men's team, as there's no women's team. In a number of cases, Boards of Education have denied them the option, because of worry not only about lawsuits but how other teams would react. In Utah, for example, a female who wrestles is required to forfeit the match if the male on the other teams doesn't want to wrestle her. In Texas, the referee's association refused to instruct its members how to score inter-gender matches.
There are plenty of women who compete pretty well in sports and who make exactly the same kinds of sacrifices in training and appearance as men, fingernails and everything else included. My sister used to play for a semi-pro rugby team, and she was (and is) tough as nails -- once popped her own dislocated shoulder back in and set her broken arm because she was afraid if she went to a doctor to have it done he'd forbid her to go skiing that weekend.
I agree completely that sometimes women go over the top on these things, and lots of the lawsuits can be ridiculous, but men aren't a lot better in that regard -- there are tons of stupid lawsuits by men over sporting slights as well, but they don't tend to get the same kind of news coverage.
Sinanju Master
01-22-03, 23:47
If a woman wants to participate in a sport dominated by men and demands to play WITH men, then she'd better be ready to face the consequences (NOT anything like sexual groping, unlike grappling for better position in a wrestling example). If said female, whomever she may be, holds her own or even EXCELS, (WITHOUT complaining about the obvious physiological differences) then she'd earn my respect ONE woman actually DID earn my respect in the ring. When I was taking karate (BEFORE I turned my back on it and switched to Kung Fu) my instructor pitted us against each other to fight. She was months away from her black belt and I was only a green belt (just illustrating the scene, is all). Upon the signal to fight, we launched ourselves at each other and we BOTH clobbered each other with ONE punch. I bloodied her lip and she landed a straight punch square between my eyes that snapped my head back like a jack-in-the-box. The fact being that she was an American woman, I never held HER (specifically) in contempt of ANY kind, since she was a classmate, but after that match, she earned a respect I didn't even give any of my MALE classmates. She didn't complain even ONCE that she was pitted against an opponent who was 6'2" and outweighed her by nearly 30 pounds (she was a slightly big girl).
The irony of it all is women can have an only womens school, but men can't, women can have a women's only club and men can't (Augusta Country Club), and the government pushes political correctness to a level of ridiculousness. I say it's time to stand up and say the hell with them all and take back our control. Family life in America has become worse due to the "manification" of the woman by the liberal groups. Why can't we except what nature provides and not alter it. Men and women have their roles and that's why we American men look elsewhere for women.
I totally respect the woman who plays the sports and accepts the bad that comes with the good. My capoeira class and kung-fu has a few good women that can handle the sport and don't mind being groped or giving up the "delicateness". The American woman that sues for sexual assault when pinned or tackled is the one that ruins things for everyone. It also ruins the opportunities for the woman that is good at the sport and wants to do what it takes to succeed in it. Male sports teams are afraid to recruit these women that are great at sports because of the pansy feminist nazis that sue a guy just for touching her. The male sports teams have probably been sued by such a women once before or is afraid of being sued or afraid she will sue the opposite team. Those women even get a lawsuit even if they sign a waiver saying they will not sue if pinned or groped and the lawyers that represent them somehow find a loophole (the sympatethic feminist prudish jury) to nullify the agreement. I think this waiver MUST be honored but that's not always the case in America. In America you are free to sue and point fingers and blame someone else or American women can capitalize on such prudish jurors to win lawsuits and make some money.
Benevolent_Man
01-27-03, 06:02
Re: Darkseid
It seems to be difficult for Asian-American men in the US. There are many articles written on this subject in particular.
Don't know, I am Asian Indian, US raised, and I think the situation is far different for us. We look like crosses between black and white people, perhaps hispanic...
I am with a wonderful woman now who is not of my background, and her family has been very accepting of me... but they are quite liberal people. EVEN WHEN I knocked her up (while living together).
It does vary tremendously from one part of the US to another.. I did live in a neighborhood for a while where dating was an impossibility. Some will reject you for your skin color, but even white and black men get rejected on occasion...
Still the cards are stacked against Chinese, Japanese, Korean men....
Benevolent_man, I think it is still possible but a slim chance for us Asian men to hook up in the USA especially in the conservative areas like New York City. Even when I did hook up, the Cuban American girl I was with was persecuted by her friends. Her friends even told me to back off and leave her alone and stop dating her. Under lots of pressure and threats, she gave in when I tried to convince her not to. I even didn't care if she put on a few pounds, a test that her friends made her go through to prove my love for her. I passed that test but in spite of that, she still was forced to break up with me. Her family, on the other hand didn't mind her dating me and only cared that I was successful and making money.
Asian Indians are also on the same boat as the Orientals. In fact, we are classified as the same race in most applications.
Benevolent_Man
01-27-03, 19:00
I am very sorry it did not work out. Were the friends American or Cuban?
Asian Indians are in the same boat as far as AA type stuff, but in dating it is different... at least in my experiences. Simply due to the different appearance. In fact I think more Indian men hook up with white women than vice-versa... We don't suffer as greatly as you do from negative portrayal in the media... joy luck club, kung-fu, comic-relief, etc....
Everyone, let's make a commitment to remain single rather than marry/date these fat-assed, arrogant, women who think that just because they have a p**** they deserve a fine man.
The friends were all American. Some were fat American born Black women and a couple of American Hispanics (Hispanics born here in USA). She also had a disapproving American born Korean friend who was against this relationship.
Sinanju Master
01-28-03, 00:59
benevolent_man, you hit the nail on the head! When I look around at these arrogant, sorry excuses for women who think they are to be worshipped and that they possess the equivalent of a precious metal between their cottage cheese thighs (Sam Breakstone could make a FORTUNE off their asses and thighs!) I just chuckle to myself and remember when I went to Spain a long time ago. I can count on one hand the number of times I've been totally awestruck by a woman's beauty and this is one time it happened. I was checking into my hotel and while I was walking from the lobby to my room upstairs, I almost bumped into this statuesque Spaniard chick who I could have sworn just stepped down from Mount Olympus to mingle with the mortals. I was so dumbfounded, I blurted out an "hola" while my eyes were like saucers. She, smiled, (GOD what a smile!) replied in kind and went about her business. Had I done that here in the US of A, I would have witnessed a cold shoulder, a rolling of the eyes and MAYBE a smile as false as a politician's campaign promise. Darkseid, black women ESPECIALLY are guilty of the mind-poisoning (although they DON'T corner the market on it!) that fosters blatant materialism. I hear so much of that shit that it makes me wonder: "What the fuck can YOU bring to the table that makes you worth all your demands"? Don't EVENB get me started on women who say: "If you wait, (for sex) I'll make it worth your while". Oh yeah? Who wants to wait for what they eventually find out is the equivalent of necrophilia with a woman who overestimated her prowess in the sack? Thankfully, I can now weed out the pearls from the crap...
Guys,
American women tend to treat ALL men badly irregardless of their race, color, creed or ethnic origin. Even good looking white guys with a lot money get the same routine.
A guy I know who has tons of looks and money says that all the women out there act like every guy is a potential "Ted Bundy" or something.
In my experience - which is considerable I'm afraid - American women have these serious and often intimidating defensive attitudes to begin with. After you get past that, they're just as fragile and desperate as everyone else on the planet. Getting past all of their initial defensiveness can be a real turn-off, however. If you want to endure all of that, you then have to put up with their asexuality, monetary demands, etc.
So, it's not a pretty picture out there for American guys.
Guys, did you see Bridezilla last night? What an ACCURATE depiction of American women!!!! They all want wedding gowns that cost $30,000+, the price of a car! Yep, they are going to need one that expensive because they will be as big as cars in a few months. They also want weddings that cost as much as a house. Some of their weddings cost over $100,000!! I was shocked at those prices these Bridezillas demanded their fiancees to spend on their weddings. I was also relieved that I broke off my wedding with my ex-finacee who was mind poisoned by American women. I could have done the ultimate humiliating thing which was leaving her at the altar but that probably would have been a very expensive joke. It would have costed me a lot for the wedding to do that.
Sinanjumaster, I think the Puritanism of this country is responsible for women thinking that they have a gold mine between their legs. Women are always uptight and taught to abstain from sex until marriage or they will anger God and lightning will strike them down. American Women tend to be more God-fearing than men in America. They are the ones that get into religion first before dragging their husbands to church. Even if the couple does go to church, the husband is the one who lets loose and parties with his friends while the American wife gets together with her friends at a humdrum prayer and bible talk meeting in the form of a book club. Some even abstain from sex AFTER marriage and only have sex for procreation. It seems that American women are looking for men worth getting struck by lightning for.
Originally posted by sinanjumaster
benevolent_man, you hit the nail on the head! When I look around at these arrogant, sorry excuses for women who think they are to be worshipped and that they possess the equivalent of a precious metal between their cottage cheese thighs (Sam Breakstone could make a FORTUNE off their asses and thighs!) I just chuckle to myself and remember when I went to Spain a long time ago. I can count on one hand the number of times I've been totally awestruck by a woman's beauty and this is one time it happened. I was checking into my hotel and while I was walking from the lobby to my room upstairs, I almost bumped into this statuesque Spaniard chick who I could have sworn just stepped down from Mount Olympus to mingle with the mortals. I was so dumbfounded, I blurted out an "hola" while my eyes were like saucers. She, smiled, (GOD what a smile!) replied in kind and went about her business. Had I done that here in the US of A, I would have witnessed a cold shoulder, a rolling of the eyes and MAYBE a smile as false as a politician's campaign promise. Darkseid, black women ESPECIALLY are guilty of the mind-poisoning (although they DON'T corner the market on it!) that fosters blatant materialism. I hear so much of that shit that it makes me wonder: "What the fuck can YOU bring to the table that makes you worth all your demands"? Don't EVENB get me started on women who say: "If you wait, (for sex) I'll make it worth your while". Oh yeah? Who wants to wait for what they eventually find out is the equivalent of necrophilia with a woman who overestimated her prowess in the sack? Thankfully, I can now weed out the pearls from the crap...
Most black women want it all and they want someone to give it to them on demand(By the way i'm an African-American) So I do see your point on the point of materialism. The ones you dealt with are just jealous bitches! if your well established, they think they can get ya hook line and sinker...Don't sweat it man, fuckem!and move on to greener pasteurs
Sinanju Master
01-29-03, 05:01
I hear ya MEATMAN. The more they brag about their abilities or how good "IT' is (what they've got), the less probability that they can deliver on thoeir empty words. No sweat though, that's just a tool for me to weed out the pretenders.
Yeah, I'm a black man and I too have to diss black women. I live in Atlanta, Georgia and they are the PITS here. I mean not just for sex or anything. Just in general they are very negative, have bad attitudes, and are low class people to me. I've come to the point where I am completely turned off by them sexually. It's like I will be a friend, we might do lunch but that's it. For me if it's sexual, it's happening outside of America. And it's not that I can't fuck these chicks; it's just that I don't want to. It takes so much to fuck them and then so much to deal with after you fuck them, that I just be like fuck it. And with the materialism, just call it what it is: prostitution. I think that it is the American gimmick that wants to talk about. Basically these women are prostituting themselves for money through sex or the implied thought of sex. I think now I get along with American women better now than I ever did because my attitude now is like, you know what just keep your pussy because I don't need it. Traveling outside the U.S. and meeting women is like eating the forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden. Once you do your life changes forever, but for the good. It allows me to concentrate on the good things that America does have to offer. The way I look at it, if I want a hamburger I don't go to Taco Bell and if I want a taco I don't go Burger King. If I want some good pussy I don't stay in America, and if I want a good education and the opportunity for good employment (even though the economy is fucked up right now) I don't go to some of these other countries. I stay focused on what I can get out of America and just say forget the rest. Actually to me if you think about the women in America they are really supposed to act the way they are acting. You might not understand what I mean so let me explain myself. Psychologically the women here are conditioned to be this way, just like people in the middle east are conditioned to terrorism. The environment they are raised in encourages this behavior. So I'm the type of person who tries to find an advantage to any situation no matter how bad it is. So what I do is make a mental list of all the things I love about America and all the things I hate. The things I love I exploit, the things I hate I go another country for. Really, the entire globe is nothing but a grocery store with different items for sale on different aisles. Tight engineered cars: Germany, top fashion: Italy, superior electronics: Japan, on and on and on. I went off on a tangent but you get my drift. Also, I want to add on a side note that lately I've been attracting a lot of white chicks, actually more white chicks than black chicks. I think it's kind of weird because I don't think I give off a "I love white women" vibe. I do feel that the more you don't give a fuck about women, though, the more they are attracted to you. I lot of times I be in my own world because I'm in school and working so you know how that is. Lastly, I want to add that all of the guys on WSGforum need to recognize that your life is similar to Neo from the Matrix. It's like you recognize something is wrong with the women but you don't know what. It's until you take the red pill (I think it was the red one), but it is until take the red pill and actually travel to another counrtry that you see the Matrix (America) for what it really is. Holla.
Phil, you should try Boston on for size. the women here,sure they look nice,smell nice,and all the above. But once you say "hello" they got there nose in the air as if your not good enough foe them.I just simply gave up on them long ago fuck em all!! let the next sucker brown nose these bitches!
Hell!! watch these talk shows particually on the subject of women"playing" guys for money and cars and what-have-not..(sigh) if they only knew,if they only knew.:(
The American dating scene is like prostitution except you don't choose the woman, the WOMAN chooses you. And you don't always get what you want. If you try to ask the gorgeous fake-breasted supermodel out, she will turn you down. If you ask the fat chick, you have a better chance that SHE'LL pick you. AND YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR THE SEX AND DINNER AND EVENING EVENTS AS WELL!!! And American women have this option because sex is in such short supply here in America, even if you are a six foot tall, wealthy supermodel (which all the girls will pick over the average guy like myself). The banning of prostitution gives women this power because we can't threaten them with it. Also the strict divorce laws give women even more power.
I like the situation better in other countries. Because prostitution is legal in most other countries, YOU pick the girl of your dreams when you pay for it- pro or non-pro (dating). Men just have more power in other countries other than the US.
Phil, I agree with you that we'll NEVER find a good girl in America. In fact, Black women in Brazil are a trillion times better than the ones here. In Salvatore, Bahia, the black girl I dated not only looks better than the ones I find here in Brooklyn, but they have better attitudes and appreciate a good guy. Her parents even invited me over and cooked meals for me. Even if the motive is money, the mothers teach their daughters to latch on to the wealthy husband and take care of them and feel lucky they are chosen by that husband. In America, the Black women (and women of other races, even Asian American women) all take us good guys for granted. They also make us believe that we'll get some if we buy them jewelry, clothes, etc. They are brought up by their American mother to choose a sucker husband, divorce him and clean him out for every cent he's got by suing for alimony.
Hi all,
Wanted to sound-in with my two cents. Basically, I don't see the black women in my area (Socal) as much of a problem. I have dated lots of fine black women, but it's true that many are into attitude and games with guys. As of late, I have also noticed how many of them say they are used to getting 10 inchers from guys because they ARE black...makes me laugh. Guess my 7 just won't do. Oh well.
Conversely, I have NEVER dated an Asian woman here in Cali because of the major attitude. There is this problem many of them have with dating out of their race. Then there are the ones who date white or black guys but, once again, do so for the money and status of being with someone white. As do some white women, the Asians have a great superiority complex. I don't know how they can come to EXPECT to be treated like a princess when they act like a biatch!
Then there are the Mexicans in Socal. I say "Mexicans" because we don't get many latins from other areas here. Oh there are a few from El Salvador and such, but not many. Anyway, the Mexican biatches have the biggest tempers when they get upset. I mean, it's like their culture teaches them to solve problems with a meat cleaver if they don't get what they think they deserve.
I finally found a Peruvian woman who has yet to be indoctrinated with the California biatch mentality. Wish me luck!
nightprowler66
01-30-03, 04:57
I usually don't read this post but decided to check it out and what do I find but brothers in arms. I agree one hundred percent that these women are just prostituting themselves. Calling them prostitutes is actulally an insult to prostitutes. At least the professionals tell you what you're gonna get and how much it will cost. With black and white women it's a continuous hustle. I gladly lay down my hard earned cash to avoid all of that bullshit.
There is a great deal of truth in satisfying your manly needs elsewhere. It definitely levels the playing field. They have this lost look about them when you don't seem to care if they are going to put out or not. They act like who come you aren't responding to my charms? don't you like me anymore? It great fun.
Enough ranting about an age old problem that ain't going away.
Keep fighting the good fight brothers
Hey Nightprowler66,
Welcome to the forum on American women! Yes, isn't it fun to see the puzzled and startled look on their faces when you don't respond to their manipulations and tricks. Some of them almost panic at their perceived loss of control over you. I , too, noticed that once I started going overseas for sex and ignored American women, I suddenly had more women than I could ever handle here.
If you want to take it one step further and really [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) them off, just mention that you now go exclusively overseas to meet foreign women. Tell them that you prefer Brazilian or Dutch women to American women. They go ballistic. It's something to see.
Again, welcome the forum and please post your recommendations and experiences with women from other countries.
Hey Paddy, now that you mentioned it, I LOVE seeing the looks on American Women's faces when I reject THEM. I used to be the victim of their games and now I don't have to play their games anymore, thanks to foreign women. They used to act like they are interested in me then they would wait until I asked them out or ask for their phone numbers and then reject the invitation and laugh or give me a fake phone number. Nowadays, I see through their phony advances and I ignore them. They then look disappointed because the joke is now on them instead of on me because the guy that they deem a "loser" is the rejecter instead of the rejectee. They are now the rejectee and they face humiliation from their friends from being rejected by the "loser". Instead of the entire group laughing at me, the joke turns on her and SHE gets laughed at by her friends. It was like having my revenge seeing the tables turned on them because I no longer needed American women and their games.
Blobster, after reading your post, I totally agree with you on Asian women. I myself am an Asian guy and I face persecution from Asian women as well. Asian women want the white guy because they see them as rich and they think they can get ahead in American society by marrying one. They see Asian guys and Black guys as lower status guys. Take a look at the movie, "The Joy Luck Club" and you'll see how Asian women view the Asian guy. Not to mention, most Chinese, Japanese and Korean women are prudes and don't like being penetrated. They have the same taboo attitudes as American women and that is why in Asian Massage parlours in Japan, you only get handjobs or if you're lucky a blowjob is as far as you can get.
I had so much of a problem meeting Asian women that my mother even tried to set me up on blind dates with some. This was before I started travelling and knowing better. My mother also didn't like me dating outside my race and hated my ex-fiancee for being Cuban. This was before I was forced to move out of my parent's place and rent an expensive apartment in New York City. One Chinese girl my mother set me up with did not even want to kiss me and said, "I'm the girl of the 90's. I don't kiss or have sex until marriage." Sensing that she wasn't interested in me and that she had such a bad attitude, I immediately called off the date and left the restaurant we had dinner at because of her attitude. Fortunately for her, it was early in the date before we even ordered food and that she was stiffed with buying 2 sodas instead of paying for a complete meal. I was forced on this date because my mother wanted to disown me if I didn't go. I then went back to dating my pre-American-assimilated ex-fiancee. My mother tried to set me up again but I decided to move out and live with my ex-fiancee (who later turned on me after meeting a black american woman friend who assimilated my ex-fiancee and turned her into one of them, an American woman).
Hey I need some advice I would like to study Chinese in China for 1 year doyou guys have any advice.
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Hey Darkseid,
Good for you man! Woman starts handing you shit as you sit down in the restaurant and you walk out on her. Cool!!! I should have done that on several occasions. I have this personality flaw, however, in that I try to conduct myself like a gentleman. I've come to the conclusion that acting like a gentleman is viewed as a sign of weakness and deference to many American women and they try to exploit you then. You know, they seem to think this guy is following a certain code of behavior and they can probably pull just about anything.
I get quite the opposite response from Eastern European women. They definitely like American gentlemen and they enjoy it when you light their cigarette, speak respectfully to them, open the car door, etc. Like you said, America is a great place to make money and work but is the pits when it comes our women.
On last thing. They have saying in Prague in that if you see a fat and non-feminine woman with an ugly haircut - she's almost certainly an American.
I'm only a gentleman when the situation deserves as much. My rule is never to allow the woman to take control of any situation unless I give that control. This was learned through the trials and tribulations of being married previously. When a woman gets crazy on the phone, I do the same and hang up on her and let her call me back (believe me they will because they can't stand you getting the last word).
Dark,
Wow, sorry to read about that. There's such consensus on the attitude of asian women. I think it's pretty safe to say most of them behave this way.
I have never dated one for those reasons. I actually came close this past year when I met a really nice, educated, intelligent Korean chick. She was a coworker, which is a bad idea anyway. At any rate, she told me on our first date, "I would only marry another asian." I found out it had something to do with her ability to be completely understood by an asian, making an inference that she couldn't be understood by anyone else. I responded that: first, you are a damn racist because if I said that as a white guy, I'd be lynched in this society. Second, you should marry a woman if you really want to be "understood." Yes, she had some real issues to work out. She would only marry an asian, but obviously she doesn't mind some white C - CK.
Is it just that women are so screwed up and irrational? OR is it their self-centeredness?
Blobster, most Asian women do not like to date Asian men because some of them figure their parents will force them to marry an Asian guy anyway. They would date white guys though and sometimes their parents give in or approve of this because of the status white guys have here in America. Chinese, Japanese, and Korean women are taught from birth to marry for status and they NEVER marry for love. Older guys have more status in China so it is common for the older guys to hook up with women half their age. In America, Asian guys give up their status when they move here or some just get promoted to middle class like myself. Asian women (Thai and Phillipinas excepted) want to MARRY the guy with the highest status, the rich White guy or another wealthy Asian guy is ideal.
On the other hand, you have the wealthier Asian families arrange a marriage with another wealthy family and the Asian woman doesn't date ANYONE. She would claim she does not date outside her race because their mothers have a husband that they arrange for them. (Yes, arranged marriages are still practiced among the wealthy Chinese but they aren't necessarily arranged from birth, unlike in India.) There are some that rebel though and they go against their parent's wishes.
As for the Europeans detecting American women, it's funny you should say that, Paddy. When I was in Holland, they pick people to get into the clubs. They let me in even though I am not from Holland but I looked the part because I am in good shape like the rest of the Dutch young people. But when a group of obese girls came to the bouncer, the bouncer IMMEDIATELY knew they were American women. He asked," You're not from Holland are you ladies?" They said no so the bouncer sent them off.As for the Europeans detecting American women, it's funny you should say that, Paddy. When I was in Holland, they pick people to get into the clubs. They let me in even though I am not from Holland but I looked the part because I am in good shape like the rest of the Dutch young people. But when a group of obese girls came to the bouncer, the bouncer IMMEDIATELY knew they were American women. He asked," You're not from Holland are you ladies?" They said no so the bouncer sent them off.
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Benevolent_Man
02-01-03, 05:33
darkseid:
When I was in the midwest US women were fat as f***
That's one of the first things foreign men notice when coming to the US.
But here in good old SoCal there are some incredibly fine women... but lots of fake boobies.
Sinanju Master
02-01-03, 06:13
Bigg Dogg ROFLMFAO!!! I can relate to one of those rules. My best friend (a chick) did a mushroom cloud on me by bringing up the fact that in 1997 I accidentally dinged her car door (there was a MICROSCOPIC dent that one had to REALLY look for if the location wasn't known) and I didn't say "I'm sorry". Granted, I deserved to hear an earful of it THEN, but 4 FUCKING YEARS down the road?? I found out at THAT MOMENT that women stockpile grievances for future use the way the U.S. and the former Soviet Union stockpiled nuclear warheads. Except that the COMBINED arsenals of BOTH countries doesn't come CLOSE to the number of grievances they store.
Everything on that internet site sums up American women, Dogg. Some of the things I like to point out is that all American women or women assimilated into American culture want to the number one in their men's lives. They want to be the center of attention and want their men to eat, sleep, and only think of them 24/7. My ex-fiancee who was assimilated by an American woman expected me to remember all these dumb anniversaries like the first time I kissed her, the first time we met, the first time I saw her naked, the first time I caught her picking her nose, and the list goes on and on then she expects me to buy a pair of shoes for each of these anniversaries. American women also expect us to be psychics even in the initial contact with her. They expect us to read hints on whether they are interested in us or not. At least foreign women tell you straight out that they like you or not instead of wasting our time on what could be a false signal or an act.
Another thing women do after marriage is cut their hair and put it up and curl it which makes them look like cauliflower heads. I think that hairdon't makes them look like 1,000 year old hags but most American women do it anyway.
I guess since American women love to be the center of attention all the time, they get fat so they can't be overlooked. Hey, they would be hard to miss if they were big and wide and you'd have no choice but to look at her because she would block the view of anything else behind her.
Fake boobs seem to be the norm in SoCal. In fact most of the American porno movies were made there. You can't find slim chicks elsewhere in America. The women here in the East Coast are fat and they spend most of their money on food. Hey, since most things are illegal here in America, what else can you do but to eat, eat, and eat besides making the money to buy the food and yes, the one thing good about America is the fact you can make money here. However, instead of eating myself to obesity, I save my money to take trips overseas instead of staying home and eating like my co-workers. I am one of the three people in shape in my office. The rest spend their money on food and on their American wives.
Sinanjumaster, American women always remember the most trivial things on the planet and they are never forgiving. I guess that is why there are so many gays in America or guys like us that turn to foreign women. The gay guys don't know any better and don't know what we know-the alternative to American women, foreign women, so they think ALL women on the planet are like American women. They don't want to put up with all the non-sense American women puts us through so they turn to other guys. I am very glad my Brazillian friend introduced me to foreign women because I wouldn't want to be gay. My brazillian friend was able to tell how bad the situation here in America even though he didn't live here all his life but he can really tell the difference. He also knows that braziliian women are much better than american women and he even told me he wouldn't bother with them.
Sinanju Master
02-01-03, 07:30
I personally don't have a great issue with women's hair length, as long as it doesn't look like a Wesley Snipes buzz cut. In addition to the Olympian Goddess I witnessed in Spain, I also gawked at a chick (I'm certain she was French) when I was in Crete. I was sitting at an outdoor cafe when I turned to see this chick who was talking to a friend. Her hair was just above shoulder length and unlike SoCal honies, her beauty was ALL NATURAL. I'm not knocking a woman for wanting to improve upon what she deems to be imperfections, but when a woman has natural beauty (NOT perfect) and revels in that natural beauty and femininity, THAT tells me she has confidence (without arrogance) in her total package. Hell, for these two chicks, I would have reeacted the ice house fight scene from Bruce Lee's movie Fist of Fury! LOL
On another subject, I read that if you tell a woman you want to live in HER country when you wed, THAT will weed out the pretenders from the real thing.
As I've been reading these posts, I rummaged through my memories of the places I've visited and seeing a FAT chick in a foreign country is EXTREMELY rare.
Umm, Darkseid, rock on with the thousandth reference to the ex-fiance, but the whole gay thing is really unnecessary. I've lots of gay friends, and I can attest than not one of them turned that way out of frustration with American women. (If anything, many are obsessed with the whole American woman diva trip, as they're into maximizing the theatricality of life.) It's simply about wiring.
And Dogg, that's a set of rules I've always enjoyed. Seems like every new version has another hilarious and on point addition. Thanks!
wow..it's been awhile since I posted in this section (or even read anything here) because it was really pointless to argue with people who are just insanely devoted to the idea of being miserable...to each his own.
...however, seeing how darkseid and sinanjumaster are still posting (basically the same messages) in here, I might've come up with a solution to their problems, so what I'm about to say is for their eyes only:
You guys are obviously very bitter when it comes to American women. You have your reasons and I won't argue with you. So...seeing how you have a lot in common (loneliness, bitterness, misogyny..etc) and you obviously love communicating with eachother, maybe you should both accept the obvious and just hook up. You obviously hate women and love eachother...we won't judge you, just be who God all along intended you to be.
Your on-line relationship with eachother is probably (given your personality flaws) the longest and most profound sort of relationship that either one of you has been in...so embrace what's become so obvious...think about it....and so close to St. Valentine's Day....how romantic it would be.
Just trying to help make two sad people sooooooooo happy...
Sinanju Master
02-01-03, 08:46
miller2k, I KNEW you wouldn't disappoint me by staying away from this forum FOREVER. I LOVE the ignorant arrogance you display by pretending to KNOW another person by a few postings. Didn't the Wizard of Oz grant you the brain you SO wished for? I guess not. Even HE can't grant you the amount of brain you need to simply move your limbs and breathe AT THE SAME TIME. Then again, I answered my OWN question. The "HAPPIEST man alive" (as you SOOOOOOO proclaim) with the low standards feels he can judge others WITHOUT walking a mile in another man's shoes. If I were as bitter as you proclaim, I would NEVER give ANY American woman a CHANCE IN HELL of proving me WRONG. I ALWAYS remain hopeful WITHOUT results. But, DIPSHIT know-it-all that you are, you LOOK at another man's shoes and ASS-U-ME you know all. A preemptive note to Darkseid (or anyone ELSE of consequence for that matter) , DON'T acknowledge this asshole unless you value cheap, Pez-dispenser useless advice... MY fault in all this is acknowledging such a dipshit in the FIRST place, so, in THAT respect, I accept the criticism that will come my way...
Sinanju Master
02-01-03, 08:50
Whoops... forgot to mention that miller2k posts occur while his American g/f has her strap-on DEEP in his ass and dictates to him what he must say.
Wanderer1000
02-01-03, 23:08
miller2k -
I've never posted on the "American Woman" section before, but I do enjoy checking this section after I've viewed the latest reports on my regions of interest. I think this is a good topic for the board. It is a place for guys to vent some of their feelings and frustrations with American(ized) women, and also find some support. I can relate to most of the complaints and frustrations that many of the posters share, which is one of the reasons I like to take a few minutes to check out the latest posts. I appreciate the regular posters, and I imagine I would seem a little repetitive at times if I posted as often as they do.
But, if I didn't like this section, I just wouldn't check-in. I don't understand why you posted. It is off- topic.
Sinanjumaster and Darkseid - I would just ignore the flamers. Best wishes!
Sinanju Master
02-02-03, 00:59
Thanx, Jak. You're correct that this board is a forum to vent among other things. You're also correct that I should just ignore him. Consider THAT done.
I will only address miller2k once as warned previously. We are not lonely, I regularly date but on my terms now and not hers; we are sharing experiences both good and bad; and we are learning that we weren't the only ones to be burned by the "American Feminazi's" that have brought about the destruction of our culture and taught women in America that men are the enemy. I can relate with people having equal rights, equal access, and so on, but when it comes to the point of destroying one groups rights to put another group ahead of them, that's discriminatory in itself and creates more problems than are solved.
I would imagine miller2k is the product of the feminist majority and has succumbed to their indoctrination. I have stated rules previously for men to be men, not to become what women want out of men. I am who I am and if a woman can't deal with that, then hit the bricks honey.
boy oh boy....I really don't see the point in posting a response, so I'll make it as brief as possible.
Bigg Dogg....you absolutely have the right idea: be who you are and just see what happens--that's the only sane way to approach anything in life. I'm not a feminist and I haven't "succumbed to their indoctrination". Why the hell would I contribute to a prostitution board if I were a "feminazi"? My point from the beginning was that we can only be responsible for who we are. If you feel that American Women are fucked-up, then it does no good to whine about it. Do something. When people start getting desperate they start lumping all groups of people into the same pile...that's ignorant at best. And in the long run it does no good for you or anyone else.
I've had bad experiences as well, but I just move on. If a woman treats me like shit, then it's her fault...not the result of a grand conspiracy or an all-encompassing cultural change. Men start getting nasty and demented when they refuse to accept the responsibilty for their own lives and try to blame everything on some vague scapegoat. For centuries women got the the short end of the stick and this is probably the first generation where the sexes are truly on an equal footing. Gender roles get screwed up, people over-react, and a lot of people are left feeling very uncomfortable and/or pissed off. Does that mean that it's right for a woman (or women) to treat a man badly because her ancestors were oppressed? Hell no, but shit happens...deal with it. Like I said previously, just be who the hell you want to be and live or die based on your own actions. That's a frightening idea for some. Bigg Dogg, you are probably up to the task...others here are not so they just want to lash out. Letting off steam is one thing, obsessing is another...
For those who claim to be interested in "fairness" and assuring that one group isn't destroyed to elevate another--where were/are you when a certain group was/is being treated like doormats? Or are you only concerned with justice when it involves you?
Sin..sorry I touched a nerve with the whole "gay" thing. I was just trying to help. I feel safe in judging your outlook on life because I've read enough of your posts to know that you're not much of a man...and maybe that's why women don't like you. Maybe this is all a character you put on when you post here...if so, then I apologize...By the way, I would invest in another keyboard if I were you. Your "caps lock" function SEEMS to be all MESSED-up.
Sin, I know that it makes you burn to know that I can and do have meaningful relationships with women. I'm sorry that you don't/can't...but maybe the problem isn't with all the women in America...did you ever think that the problem might be you? I know it's a tough pill to swallow, but realizing that just might make you a happier person.
Maybe I'm not the HAPPIEST MAN ALIVE, but I would say that I'm somewhere in the top 10...does that make you feel better?
Miller2K, there is no reason to flame me and sin the way you did this past weekend. I have the ability to get American women and that is why I had a few in the first place although I score more elsewhere. However, it is the bad attitudes these women have IN the relationship. Perhaps you might have found a good American woman among the bucket of rotten apples or perhaps you are dating one of the feminazis with a strap on dildo and "taking it like a man". Perhaps having your feminazi's hand up your ass and being her puppet is what makes you "THE HAPPIEST MAN ALIVE". Or perhaps it's another man doing these things to you. Who knows. I guess bending over and taking the abuse is what your definition of a "man" is.
Guys, we are here to help and relate to each other on this issue with American women, not flame each other. We are also here to post our experiences of our trips to other countries and I happen to like foreign chicks over American chicks. I don't care what anyone thinks but foreign chicks are better- in love and relationships and that is my opinion. Miller, if you like American women fine, I hold nothing against you for it, just explain why and try to help us UNDERSTAND them with your input on them instead of saying crap like take the shit they give us and "move on". That doesn't help solve the problem but encourages these feminazis to push us around more.
Joe_zop, I don't think ALL gays are a product of disillusionment with American women. It just so happens that one of my friends ended up that way for that reason. Some gay people want to imitate American women (and yes, they are the gay guy equivalent of the American women that my disillusioned gay friend also dislikes).
BootyLover
02-04-03, 17:46
I wasn't raised in the american culture so I view women so differently. It's a shock of horror to see how women behave in America. I can nail around two girls a day while having my long term partner. This doesn't cost me a thousand.
Women in America, in general, are selling something (the pussy) and they manage to not deliver and keeping our cash. They try to be as expensive as possible (it's ridiculous) and they know foreigner aren't attracted to them cause of their wide waist/wide shoulders, manners, behaviors and avidity. I don't blame these crazy girls but the crazier men who play their game. How do I approach a man/woman relationship?
1- Fun. We just want to please each other Expenses are shared based on capability
2- Utilization. I get some services and give some small avantages in return (cash, presents, etc) based on her shape look and quality of sex
3- Commitment. We stay together if she is raising money in my range of revenue. Don't do it with poor one, they are after money
Would you drive without a spare tire? why do you want ro have just want girl? Keep the main one and make sure you have enough to nail around both regular and SW (Fun , Utilization). If she no longer want to give sex, who cares as long as she contribute to the bills?
Best what I found in this forum is post by Alex. In spite what I am not agree with some parts his article. Nobody come even close to it.
Alex really trying to look very deep
It worth to repeat it again
WHAT MARRIAGE REALLY IS
1. Marriage is a legal form of prostitution.
2. How women got their power
3. Sex is Business.
4. What Can Be Done ?
5. Woman's Arguments
6. What's About Child Support ?
7. Deep to the roots
1. Marriage is a legal form of prostitution.
If we look into Marriage Law books we'll find something like "during the marriage it is normally the husband obligations to provide for his wife and children" ( "The Law And You" McGrow-Hill Company Of Canada Limited, 1970 ) or " each spouse is liable to the support of the other" ( Ontario Family Law Act ). This came to us from 19th century, when such law was justified, because women were not economically independent. Women then were mostly housekeepers, while their husbands earned the money. There were no such professions as woman-doctor, woman-lawyer, real estate agent, business consultant, secretary, teacher - whatever else. Not now. Now women have reached economic equality, they have equal opportunities to earn money, as men. So why is there law declaring financial responsibilities based on sexual relationship ? We don't have a law, claiming that "two people, that play tennis together are liable to support each other". But if they live together and have sex together, why they are ?
And then, when we say "each spouse is liable to the support of the other" let's not blind ourselves - it's virtually never happens that a woman support her husband. It's always men pay for women, not other way around. Women never want to marry a man that earn less, then they do ! They never want to marry an unemployed guy with unclear financial future. The whole system is a great mechanism to transfer money from men's bank accounts to women's bank accounts - nothing else.
The difference between marriage and prostitution is the same as between wholesale and retail trading. But while prostitution is considered to be a negative thing, and there is no law, supporting prostitution, why do we have Marriage Law ?
That's because we live in time of 'common level matriarchy'. Woman in 20th century have won power over man, and the law is made for their ultimate convenience, like in Middle Ages law helped barons to keep their privileges, but didn't care about peasants. But in a society of justice such law must not exist. It contradicts, for example, Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which states :
"Every individual is EQUAL before and under the law and has the RIGHT to the EQUAL PROTECTION and EQUAL BENEFIT of the law WITHOUT DISCRIMINATION and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, color, religion, SEX, age or mental or physical disability".
But Marriage Law DOES CREATE DISCRIMINATIVE PRACTICE ! It provides NOT EQUAL PROTECTION and BENEFITS with DISCRIMINATION of men, based on SEX. Such law must not be tolerated in our time and we should struggle for its cancellation.
2. How women got their power
Historically for many thousands of years men had advantage on women, based on very simple factor - bigger physical strength. Physical strength played crucial role at that time, and women were discriminated everywhere - in politics, economy, family. But now this advantage has disappeared, physical power doesn't give you much on today's job market. And also, unlike 200 years ago, you cannot abuse a woman physically, which is, certainly, good. But now, in this developed society it is women, who got infare advantage over man, based on another simple factor - biological demands for sex from men and women are not equal! There are simply less sexual willing women, then men. The difference is, may be, not so great - 15 or 20% . But lets imagine what would happen if there is 15% shortage of apartments to compare to all people, who want to rent. Nobody want to sleep on the street. So the price for an apartment will go up to possible maximum. That's what is called 'speculative, infare profits'.
That's exactly what happens now on 'sexual market'. I wouldn't discuss now biological causes of this inequality, what is important is the result. And the result is quite clear - the simplest proof is such thing as a price for a prostitute. It's something from 100 to 200 $ for 1/2 - 1 hour of sex. Many men must work hard from 1 to 3 days to earn this money. Why do they agree to pay this ? The answer is - market... And how much does it cost for a woman who want sex with man ? - Zero. The sexual price for a man in our society - zero.
This situation creates inequality between men and women, similar to relationship between business owner and his employee at a time of 20% unemployment. The owner can fire the worker, and there is a long line of others, who want to replace him. The worker also have his right to quit, but he will have a lot of trouble to find another job. And in sexual relationships we have exactly the same picture - women have their choice, men stay in the line. As a result women turned men into their servants. This situation humiliate men and corrupt women. And of course, women learned very well how to use it, to convert it into money. And to help them better - there is a special social institution for their service, supported by law - named Marriage.
3. Sex is Business.
Yes, we live in an epoch of matriarchy. It doesn't matter that women statistically earn less, then men, it's still matriarchy - women earn less because they don't need to earn money as desperate, as men. They don't need to pay money for sex, they receive it for sex. And it doesn't matter that there are less women, then men among presidents, premiers and CEO, - women simply don't need so much trouble to get what they want.
Sexual inequality is the cause of most of the troubles in our society. It creates the same barriers between men and women, as between rich and poor. It destroys normal relationship between a man and a woman, destroys normal sexual relationship, converts love into business and kills it. There are millions men suffering from solitude, from lack of normal sexual life, and nobody care how to help them.
This is the biggest problem in so called developed countries, more serious then even poverty and crime, because there are more people suffering from it, then from anything else. Crime, especially sex crime, depression, suicides probably by 80% directly and indirectly are results of this unfortunate conditions. In our time, when nobody dies from hunger, this - not anything else - is a MAIN SOCIAL PROBLEM, because NORMAL SEXUAL LIFE IS NOT LESS IMPORTANT, THEN NORMAL FOOD. And all democratic governments must care about this. But they don't. They care only about well being of one part of the population - women.
Yes, instead of helping weak part of contemporary society - men, the law helps those who have already advantage by their birth - women. We can not easily change demographic situation, but we can at least not to create laws, that make the situation worse ! How many millions men were caught in this trap - marriage ? How many millions dollars, earned by hard work were taken from them ? Men are not slaves, they are people. The need love, sex and understanding, but instead they get marriage law with all its consequences. How can our society treat them this way ?
If you were so unhappy to be robbed on the street, the robber will take your cash and probably will use your credit card, before you could report the robbery, but your total damage will be less then 1000$. If your marry a woman, she may born you a child, then divorce you, take your child and sue out your money, typically 200,000 or more. A woman, that want to get married is 200 more dangerous, then a street robber.
4. What Can Be Done ?
I don't believe it will be easy to change status quo by some kind of democratic procedure. No political party will take such position, because 50% of voters - women, and they will never vote for this party. And there are also some men - family law lawyers, for example, that make their fortunes on this shit, so they have already 51%. They have won. And the fact that suffering minority is nearly all the male population - doesn't bother them, no more that it bother prostitutes about their business.
We cannot easily destroy this despicable system, but what we can do is to start nationwide campaign against it. The first important thing is information - every men must know WHAT MARRIAGE REALLY IS. So if we can't change the law, we can change the public opinion. Every boy of 10 years old must know what he is going to meet, when he grow. So when his girlfriend will say "I want to get married", his proper answer will be : "Sorry, my love, I can't do it, until they will cancel present Marriage Law, because it does not defend me against financial abuse." Every boy, every man must know the real meaning of marriage, with its statistics and costs, this is no less important then information about danger of sexual transmitted diseases or unwanted pregnancy.
I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE, WHO CARE, TO DISTRIBUTE THIS DOCUMENT OVER INTERNET, TO SEND IT TO YOUR FRIENDS. Many people will agree with it and this will be the first step to change current situation. I would like to see movement "Men Against Marriage", that would struggle for men rights against oppression, like women struggled ( and won ) for their rights 100 years ago. The mere word "marriage" should be labeled as shameful, the same as prostitution, i.e. getting money for sex.
5. Woman's Arguments
Women say : "Yes, in marriage we receive money from our husbands, but this is compensation for our homework, which we do more, then men. And also we sacrifice our career, because we must stay at home and raise children. So men must pay for this." But let's ask a question : Why men don't sacrifice their career and stay at home to raise children ? And who makes women to do more homework ? Is it her husband, that makes his wife to work at home ? Does he shout on her : "Go to the kitchen immediately, make me dinner !" ? No. You can't force North American woman to do anything she doesn't want to do herself. She would rather divorce you, take your money and find her another husband, but she will never do what she doesn't like.
So if women statistically spend more time on homework, then men, that's because they need it more, then men. They like it more, then men, or, maybe, men dislike it more, the women. But why should men pay for it ? They don't hire their wives for cleaning or cooking. And when a woman doesn't work and stay at home to raise children - it's her own choice. Every husband would like to have second salary in the family rather then housewife, the family can hire a babysitter, but nobody can force a woman to quit her work. Today women do it only because they know that THEY HAVE LEGAL SUPPORT FROM LAW, that will help them to sue out men money. That must not be. Staying at home instead of work is women own choice and in case of divorce it must be their own responsibility.
6. What's About Child Support ?
Let's first ask a question - why courts in more then 90% of divorces give a child to his mother, and not to his father ? That's because there is a convention in our society : child is more close to his mother, then to his father. This is biologically true. But if so, if the child belongs to his mother more, then to his father, why would father and mother pay equally ? Father can not see his child much after divorce, their relationship are not as close, as when they live together. Why must he pay same amount of money, or more, then mother, who lives with her child ?
What if they, while married, buy a car together, then they separate, court gives the car to the husband, but also rules, that for 20 years both husband and wife must pay all car expenses equally - gas, repair, insurance... For compensation the wife have her right to come once a week to her former husband home and to drive this car for 2 hours, at a time when it is convenient for the husband. Absurd ? Sure. You got the car - you pay for it. The other side doesn't have this car any more - it should not pay.
I can imagine the women's howl when they read this. How dare I say this ?! The child's interests are sacred ! Do you know how difficult it is to be a single mother, to raise children ? Cool down. It's not only child's interests are sacred, interests of all people are sacred. It's difficult to be a single mother, sure, but it is also difficult to be a single man. A man after divorce looses his family, and his children, a woman keep her children with her. What is more difficult ? - who know... Would you like, dear ladies, to leave your children with their fathers, and also to pay child support for 20 - 25 years ? There are some single fathers around, but I've never heard about a woman, paying child support...
In a free, democratic society, with EQUAL RIGHTS FOR MEN AND WOMEN child support can be voluntary only. It doesn't mean that there will be not child support at all. There are many fathers, that love their kids and have connections with them even after divorce, so they will support their children without any enforcement from law. There are happy families, that wouldn't divorce at all, but such families doesn't need Family Law ! But we know other examples. It's not a big secret : there are many women who choose not to work, but to born children and use them as a guaranteed source of income on the expense of their unfortunate husbands. That's who need Family Law. That's who benefit from it. Do we need their children ? How can we create unequal, discriminating laws, that help such women to rob men ?
7. Deep to the roots
So how this odious laws can still exist? One answer is voting majority of women plus some man, that also gain from it. But that is only part of the answer. The fact is, that would marriage be forfeited, women simply will stop to bore children.
This is true - raising children costs a lot of money and women want guarantees, so governments didn't find anything else then to put this burden to men, even in cases of clear fraud.
To make things worth, they introduced so called Family Law Act, where among other things it is declared, that a man have full obligation for a child, born from him even if he has not been married with the child's mother and never wanted children with her at all ! That makes man a hostage of every woman, he slept with. She always can cheat him and get pregnant, if she wants, as for the man - the only way to him to stay out of trouble for sure, is to live without sex ... Nice solution, ye ? Note, that all decisions - to have or not to have a child, are up to the woman only. According to this law the man is responsible for something, about what he has absolutely no power. Nobody ask him, but he must pay, because he wanted sex. In what crazy country do we live ?
The next step should be to state something like : "Every man, who slept with a woman, must give her full access to his bank account and credit cards". Why not ? You don't want this ? - don't sleep with women.
Decline of population sure will be a problem, it will lead to economic depression first, then values of businesses and real estate will go down... But isn't the current price too high ? Should we turn all male population into slaves in desperate attempts to raise birthrate ?
Governments should look for other solutions, but not for what is going on now. And there are other solutions, first of them - immigration. It can not only solve the population problem, it can solve problem of disproportion of sexual demand and supply for men and women, by simply inviting more women, then men, until situation is balanced. Also prostitution can be eliminated... But women don't want this solution. They like it the way it is. I think now it's time for men to fight for their rights, for sexual equality.
Let's declare this - SEXUAL LIFE IS OUR PRIVATE LIFE, AND THERE MUST NOT BE LAW, THAT IN ANY WAY CONNECT OUR PRIVATE LIFE WITH MONEY. No lawyer must be able to put his nose into my bank account in connection with my sexual life. Any law, that do not comply with this requirements must be cancelled.
Let's delete Family Law Act. There will be less divorces in this world.
Let's delete all Family Law completely. There will be less lawyers, less children, but more love and happiness in our life.
to dark and sin....sorry, but it's so hard to stop myself from ripping on you. It's just that you make such an inviting target. However, I will try to stop myself in the future.
On to serious stuff: The advice to just move on and go about your life is the most sane advice possible. If a particular person has a problem you will never change him/her. You almost sound like these women who marry asshole with the intention of changing them. You can only worry about yourself. Many guys still don't get it--if you have problems with women, then maybe its time to look inside and make some changes. You can't change the women (at least not in your lifetime) so make adjustments. You don't have to give up yourself in the process, but I think that many of the same people who have problems with American women are people who also have some personality or emotional problems. Just look at the bitterness in some of the posts. Look at the previous post by "bootylover" and tell me what woman in her right mind would want to venture into his dark psyche? Nobody wants to be with a person who is so defensive and negative. Maybe you do have a right to be bitter (I haven't lived your life), but what does that same bitterness accomplish? It makes you more appealing to other guys like you, but it does nothing to help you with women.
American women are the same as American men...they want to somehow "win" in a relationship. They want to attain something from being with their partner...to get ahead. Men want to get laid, have some "arm candy", etc. I won't even pretend to know what women want but it's obvious that what they want and what we want often clash. So, what's the solution? It's easy--stay positive and keep looking for "The One". Assholes have a tendency of attracting other assholes. Negativity only breeds more negativity. Instead of blaming the world, do something constructive.
I've had good relationships with American women and bad ones. I find American women to be more aggressive about what they want and I can see where some men might find that intimidating (especially if you come from a third world country). I live in Mexico right now (before you try to make an issue of that: I moved to Mexico for business reasons and not because of the women) and I notice that the women are much more passive. I've had three semi-serious relationships since I've been here and I've ended two of the three because they were too passive, almost spineless. When I want a girlfriend (or more) I want an equal. Someone who will be supportive, but be strong enough to stand up to me when I act like an ass. The positive about a good American woman is that she will keep you on your toes and eventually you will become a better person.
Of course there are more bad American women than good ones, but there are also more bad American men than good ones. And maybe the good American women are staying away from the good American men because they've decided that ALL American men suck...
The fact that you have more luck in foreign countries is due to a combination of : 1) The women possibly seeing a meal ticket (of course that depends on the country and/or area that you visit) and 2) You start with a clean slate in another place. Nobody knows you and you can start fresh. The pressure is off and you feel untainted by previous problems. If you live in the same foreign place, you'll develop the same problems that you have in the USA because the problem is more than likely within you and you can't run from yourself.
I'm not expecting anyone to agree with me, but its so frustrating to see the same posts over and over again. Before this weekend, I hadn't looked in this section for months and pretty soon I'll be gone again so you can go on and on and on about how America women suck...when all you ever really wanted was to be loved by one. It's like in school when you get a crush, but the girl doesn't like you then you start to insult her and start to act like you never liked her in the first place.
So, go ahead and rip into me as usual, but deep down inside you have to know that I'm right. Make comments about strap-ons (it's funny how for someone sooooooo "not" gay, there's so much phallic imagery in your and sin's posts). Infer that I'm "whipped", but know that I'm truly happy with myself and my ability to connect with other people.
So, now I'll just sit back and see how many times you mis-interpret what I had to say. Good Bye and I wish you good luck....
Miller, this response is more constructive and civil than your last one. Your last post was just insults and troublemaking and I had to add the insults in my last post just to get even with you. Anyway, at least you've backed up WHY you prefer American women and the advantages they may have over foreign women in this post and I appreciate it. I do find American women too aggressive and pushy though but maybe that's what some guys like which others find annoying. I like European and Brazilian women because they are not too pushy and not too passive. I haven't thought much about my trips to Thailand or the other Asian countries because yes, I do find them TOO passive. I rant and rave about Europe and South America because they are just right for me and that is my taste.
Bootylover, I love your input as an outsider looking into the American woman situation because it gives a different perspective on them. Keep posting.
Miller, I hope next time we speak again it will be as civil as this post instead of the last one.
Good post, Miller -- first decent thing here in quite some time. I've pretty well stopped posting or even reading here because I tend to agree with you that this section has just become an echo chamber, guys ripping again and again without really looking at root causes or thinking about changes. "American man good, American woman bad" isn't much of a recipe for sustainable nonrepetitive conversation.
Your comments on looking inward are excellent, and I'd also suggest that guys take a solid look at the choices they make in women, which is the same advice I've given American women who've had repeated bad relationships. For many of them, the problem is that they basically date the same guy over and over (be it the "bad boy" type, the control freak, the workaholic, whatever) in different bodies and have the same things happen and end up with either a broken relationship or trapped in one that's a mess. The same thing is often true for guys I know -- they choose the same type of woman who shredded their heart and bank account the last time. Taking a good look at yourself and understanding the difference between what you want and what you need can sometimes help.
I think your take on the differences in foreign women is a good one, but I'd add a couple of things to the list. One is the fact that, as an American, you are the one who is exotic in another place -- at home you're one of the horde, in another country you're the one who's different. That happens to work in your favor, by and large, unless you're a complete jerk or unless you're trying to romance high up on the social chain. I'd also caution that the passivity you describe in foreign women isn't always the case -- it can be a cultural manifestation of deference as opposed to passivity (not, of course, that passivity isn't also often there -- people are people, and some are passive, and being in a longer-term relationship reveals that.) Darkseid mentioned Thailand, for example: in Thailand the cultural concept of greng jai says that if something you will say or do will upset someone, you're not to do it. That's very different than the western perspective of "putting it all out on the table" and can be seen as being either passive or untruthful when it's nothing at all like that. Many Thai women are far from passive (though, again there are certainly those who are) -- it's simply that their approach to asserting their desires and opinions can be misinterpreted by foreigners.
Joe_zop, I do apologize for being repetitive on this post. I do have a problem FINDING a good woman here in America. They are extremely rare and there are a few guys that are lucky to find them like Miller or yourself. I can't argue that there are a handful of them out there. Perhaps you can fill us in on where to find them. I tried hooking up in clubs, at work, at the gym, in classes, and even the internet and I still keep finding the feminazis I keep talking about on this forum. I played the numbers game and hooked up with only 1 out of an average of 30 tries because of the racism here in America (yes, they admit they don't date Asian guys so that is why I forget them and move on to the next girl.) And the ladies I do hook up with are pushy and greedy.
For now, I decided to stick to foreign women because I don't know a better way to hook up. It's not that I seek out these troublemaking women in America (I even ask out women who are a little overweight and they still are the same way), but I just never had the luck of finding a good one. I ask out women of all backgrounds, rich, poor, slim, a little overweight, educated and non-educated. I don't in any way target a specific group of woman just to be shredded by them. I speak this in defense of all those who are as unfortunate as I am. I do agree with you about people who ONLY seek out the young and good looking because they are begging these women to exploit them for their money. But my standards aren't that high and I don't ask much of women. I allow women to be a little overweight but not extremely (I can't handle a woman more than 180 lbs in bed that is my fault in that category from my back injury). I do expect the women to be nice, compromising, and not greedy and that is what I find more in foreign women than the American women I met so far.
Sinanju Master
02-05-03, 21:27
Myself, if I could run into an American woman who didn't have some plan that ultimately revealed that she ain't worth it, I'd rejoice! No such luck so far, but fool that I am, I've never been able to blot out the 1% of optimism that appears to be indestructible. I gotta work on that.
The only time I've been to a Third World country was to visit my folks who were living on the military base. Never did any hunting there. I always did my hunting in Western Europe in countries that have thriving, vibrant economies, so the concept of flashing cash to impress a local honey doesn't cut it. Conversing with a local honey was never difficult, because I'd never see in their eyes the desire to "raise their shields" at a moment's notice. I never act differently ABROAD than I do here, because to do so takes WORK and you have to maintain that illusion at all times during one's waking hours. Plus, it feels phony and it would show.
Never said I was without flaw. Never IMPLIED that I was without flaw. Never WILL imply that I am without flaw. PERIOD.
Growing up and learning that I should treat American women with "respect" only to learn that they DON'T react favorably to the "gentlemanly" approach (I name it that for simplicity's sake) bought me a ton of disillusionment and years of banging my head against a wall. In the past several months, I'd changed tactics after receiving several revelations and am NOW getting UNWANTED attention. Perhaps it's because I think of them as replaceable at a moment's notice or that there is a "better product" out there that caused that to happen.
If ALL American women were bad, 60-75% of my friendships wouldn't exist. MANY American women are bad because of their duplicity, sending out false messaages and wasting a man's time (considered a SPORT by some American women) instead of having the guts to face the uncomfortable music and tell it like it is UP FRONT.
If I didn't have to jump as many hurdles as Edwin Moses, I'd cut them some more slack, but that's reality. Overseas, for ME at least, the issue is more black and white: I know UP front if I'm in or out WITHOUT the attempts to waste my time, money or resources. That simplicity is very alluring.
Hey, believe me that you've got my sympathies, and I can understand the frustration! I think hooking up with the right person is incredibly tough, but fortunately you only usually have to do it once. I also think you're probably in the worst place period to connect -- the last place in the world I'd want to be looking is in New York, as I think there's a much higher concentration of pushy and self-absorbed women there -- it's something about the town, its pace, and the generally aggressive attitude there. (I spent probably a third of the year there throughout the 90s.) New York, as well as LA, also very much revolves a bit more around money and status, which makes that be a more pronounced issue there, and since it's more expensive than most places money is a constant pressure there. So I'd take that as a context -- it's just generally more difficult in NYC than in most places to date. I've tons of friends there who sing the same song, both male and female. The counter-argument is that there are millions of people there, so your odds go up, but personally I think it's more about common sensibilities than huge number of opportunities -- people have been hooking up in small towns for centuries.
As far as the racism thing goes, it's unfortunate, but the US in general is simply a lousy place in that regard, I think -- there's little question that race has always been and remains a major problem in this country. (Again, not to say it's not also the case elsewhere -- there are plenty of places where it's an issue.) I think in this country the ease of mixed-race dating completely depends on where you happen to be, and there are certain places and situation where it seems to be easier. There are tons of mixed couples in the large city near me, for example, but the little village where I live is terrible in terms of race.
But I do think Miller has a point regarding a vibe, and so my question to you, since you say you ask all kinds of women out, is what you're looking at/for, how you know when you might see it, and how you go about getting there. In my own case, to be honest, most of the women I've hooked up with successfully were not people I asked out cold -- I knew them for a while first in other circumstances (and a variety -- the specifics of the place didn't really matter.) So I got a sense of their attitudes, their personalities, etc., first, and only when I found someone with whom I thought I might be compatible did I go forward. There are plenty whom I've thankfully considered and then shied away from, as it was clear disaster was in the offing. And let me say that this is completely learned behavior, as when I was much younger my eyes and dick invariably pointed in the direction of someone who was primed to take me and my heart to pieces. And I happily (and then unhappily) let several do it before I learned to look more closely.
For what it's worth, I use the same approach when I'm out hunting for temporary companionship. I pay close attention to the vibe, and check out quickly if there's something I don't like in the process. But when you're looking for a serious relationship I think it's even more important to do your due diligence, as it's simply better not to be with someone than to be with the wrong person. If you're alone at least you've got possibilities -- if you're hooked up with the wrong one you're going to spend immense time, energy, and emotion trying to get back to the situation where you can look for someone else.
And Sin, for my money, it still pays to act like a gentleman. It's a great way to weed out those women who are likely to be problematic -- if a woman isn't capable of seeing basic respect and attention as precisely that instead of as some statement about patriarchy, then odds are you're not gonna want to spend time with her in any event, as she's the type who's going to put everything you do through a distortion lens. I understand what you're saying in terms of sending out the attitude that they need to try because you know there are other fish, but I'm not so sure that's not likely to just get you the type of woman who makes lousy choices and accepts abuse, since that's the profile of lots of women I know who hook up with men who treat them that way.
miller2k,
i make it a point to conduct myself as a gentleman and have never attacked anyone on this site. however, i find your recent posts to be mean spirited, malicious and utterly absurd. i doubt if you'll "misinterpret" that - as you say. you haven't been on this forum for a long time and stay off it! you're nothing but but a snotty little mischief maker who adds nothing to this site. all you do is attack people and add nothing which is constructive or therapeutic.
i particularly got a charge out of your witless advice in that sinj. should be more introspective and blame himself for the treatment he gets from these american bitches. he and no other guys here need to have that trip laid on them. they and american guys in general get enough of that jive on a day-to-day basis. you sound like the kind of guy who watches oprah & dr. phil.
get off this site and take your snotty accusations and mischief making somewhere else. if i ever see you post anything on the wsg anywhere, i'm going to simply bypass it.
You have a good point there, Joe_zop. Perhaps it is the New York City that is the problem. Women here are more greedy, aggressive, and pushy. Unfortunately, in America, it takes a longer time to build a relationship from the initial friendship. Girls here in America freak out if I ask them out the first to the fifth time we meet. I didn't have the fortune to spend more than a week in other states to build a long term relationship in other states. I did notice that American women in other states do expect you to live in their state and they still expect you to take a while to build a friendship before they even date you. They still put up the same shield as the ones in the city. One of them said that she has to get to know me better before we can date. This was in the small town of Springfield, Ohio. I was running out of time and I asked her out for the Thursday of that week I was there. I met this girl on a Monday night and hung out with her for the entire week but she still wanted to keep it at a friendship level. Unfortunately, a week is not enough time to build a deep enough friendship to ask a girl on a date. Foreign women, on the other hand would date you even if you don't live there because they just want to have fun. They go out with you if they are interested in you. I had girlfriends overseas that agreed to go out with me after meeting them the second day. I wish I had more time in smaller towns to experience a long term relationship and make a sound judgement of them.
Perhaps the ones that favor American women met them in the small towns. I know the ones in the major cities suck and they are not worth the wait. Perhaps the ones in the smaller towns are worth the wait. However, once they move into the city, they might get corrupted by the local women in the city or by greed. I also heard that city girls are more likely to get divorced than smaller town women and are the majority of the 55% divorce rate of this country. Money is also a pressing issue here. Girls expect me to make a lot of money and buy them stuff because I live in a city of opportunity.
Vegas, however, is an issue in itself because girls are from many different cities and some of them come from Mexico. I met a Mexican chick while I was there. We met at the RA dance floor in the Luxor and we made eye contact while dancing. We wrote notes to communicate because the music was too loud. We hit it off that night. We only had time left for 2 dates, though, because my company only sent me for training for 4 days. I use the same approach I usually use, being a nice gentleman. It appears this works on most other women other than the ones in the big cities where they marry for money.
I know I am nice to women even if I sound disgruntled on this board. Why else would I be hooking up in foreign countries, especially where there is not as much racism and defensiveness as there is in the US. I will continue to be nice and friendly to women and that is my approach. Perhaps I am not hooking up here in the US because I live in the wrong city. Hoever, if I were to move to a small town, I would have to give up my job.
I think that what people have to realize is that you have to view
America from an outside perspective to see it for what it really is:
1) In America, in 2003, marriage is just a gimmick. Back in the day
I would say it had some validity but now we live in a very selfish,
materialistic culture that makes it hard to find a true partner. I
think the only way it really works is if you are both older and
mature and have seen the bullshit for what it really is.
2) In other countries not only are the women different but the men are different too. I have said this in earlier posts but I will say it again: The American man created the American woman. Maybe not directly but our culture reinforces many sexual stereotypes about men when comes to sex. Our culture creates this interplay between men and women.
3) In America women basically try to extort as much money out of men as possible through regular dating relationships which I call "indirect prostitution". With prositution being illegal
so-called regular women have no competition when it comes to sex. They know they have a grip on you because every other girl is playing the game.
4) I think the biggest thing about America that is wrong is the the
deception involved in marriage and dating. In South American
countries everything is out in the open and you know who the hookers are. That knowlegde is the edge that men have there. Here if they ever tried to make prostitution legal women would fight it with all their might because they know that they're game would be exposed.
5) In America, sex is similar to the drug game. America makes all
these drugs illegal knowing full well that people are still going to
use them so what they do is allow it to happen to a degree to
capitalize off of it. Because it's illegal it creates a demand where
you can overinflate the price. Anything illegal is expensive. And
that's why sex is here. Imagine if they made cigarettes illegal.
One cigarette would be $10.
6) America mocks male sexuality. It's considered by women as
something to manipulate. In other countries their sexual attitudes are very relaxed; they view sex in a more casual light almost comparing it to sleeping or eating. Just a normal part of life.
7) Women's psychology here is a result of how society and men treat them. Female sexuality is giving so much attention here. Everything is about whether a girl should give it up or not, don't call the guy, don't kiss on the first date, play hard to get and other bullshit. Then comes the attitudes and the fakeness of the women; I hate rude and fake people, men and women. I work in a situtation where I'm in contact with people from all around the world and that alone changes my perspective. I look at these foriegn guys and they make me laugh with their mannerisms and shit. The point I'm trying to make is that we live in rude society and that is why the women are so rude. In a lot of other countries their culture doesn't encourage rude behavior
so the women are not as rude.
8) I've met foriegn women who didn't like America because they felt it was not romantic enough. That there were to many rules here. So it's the culture that's creating this and it affects men and women negatively because no body is happy, even the women.
9) I feel sorry for some of the men who have never had a chance to travel and see the light. They are caught in a trap that sucks away their money, time and confidence. I feel that not all American women are bad, it's just that so many are bad it's real hard to see the good ones. I feel traveling gives you a good reference on a good or bad woman. I lot of men here deal with women who are bad and think they are rolling good because she is a little better than the last chick they had. Also, I live in a place that really sucks: Atlanta. Mainly because I really like latin girls but they really don't live here so I only have option a) a fine black girl that's basically an asshole or b) a white girl but I want c) an attractive latin girl to be my girlfriend. So that's my situation.
10) Lastly to Darkseid. I have read your posts before and I have
liked them but I want to add my two cents on the gay issue. I used to feel that the women helped turn the men gay but now I realize these guys are gay because they like men. It's that simple. I learned that in Rio where pussy is everywhere and they still want to fuck a man. Holla.
well, i don't think it's just in new york, by any means -- but i do think it's a far more difficult place than many. your comments on dating are pretty dead on, i think, in that american women tend these days to want to know who it is they're going out on a date with, so doing it cold doesn't seem to have the same level of acceptance as it does elsewhere, where dating is part of the formal "getting to know you" process. it may well be that american women are somewhat spooked by all the press and statistics on date [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) and want to hedge their bets a bit. i suppose if i was in that position, reading about it all the time and probably knowing someone who'd been attacked, (which is the case according to stats) i might react cautiously as well to being asked out by someone i didn't really know. (not that that necessarily actually changes likelihood on the date [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) scene in any event.) let's face it -- americans (and especially girls) have it drummed in from childhood not to talk to strangers, and that has had an effect on our basic level of trust.
i do think that american women are less likely to think in terms of having a week be enough time for a relationship -- in other countries they know you're a visitor and are leaving at some point, so the ticking clock is in your favor, but here it's seen as a disadvantage, as it means you're not going to be available and are just looking to get laid and blow town. because american women are generally looking for marriage material, there ends up being so much more heightening of everything as opposed to simply getting to know each other.
i do think the pressures of larger cities play into things -- let's face it, in larger cities there's very much more pressure to get ahead for both men and women, and much more a sense of where you stand on the pecking order, and that plays into the dating scene. there's just more stress and pressure in general, and that can't help but affect things. a lot less of that in smaller places, where the so-called "trophy wife" (the male side of the "rich husband" coin) is less an issue.
you're in a tough spot -- it's not very realistic to say, well, i'll just head out to a small town and find someone who's compatible, even if that were to be the most realistic approach. no guarantee that would work in any event, as you're still going to be the stranger from out of town for a while. on the other hand, for me relationships are really more important to my life than work or money, so the idea of changing jobs or not making as much money doesn't really bother me in that regard. but i say that as someone who's generally been able to do what i like to do no matter where i happen to be, and recognize that's the exception, not the rule. bottom line, i think, is that you can only be who you are and trust that you will come across someone who likes that package. in nyc, i think the longer-term process of getting to know someone before asking for a date can work very much to your advantage, as you'll lessen the chances of rejection (may get a clue who's racist) or incompatability (figure out who's a feminazi) but i still just think it's a tough place to date, period. (unless you're gay -- then i think it works out great, from what my gay friends tell me, simply because availability is high and things are above-board.)
and i do think miller's point about americans, both men and women, wanting to "win" the relationship is an excellent one. we think about winning everything else, why should relationships be any different? but that really messes things up, i think, as it should be a cooperative team effort against the world, not you against her. in other countries the mindset is far less adversarial, it seems.
i have to point the finger at our law enforcement as well. joe_zop, you brought up that there is much [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) in the us which is the cause of american women's mistrust in the travelling businessman like myself. the cause of thaese [CodeWord124] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124) is the lack of enforcement to stop these [CodeWord124] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124). instead the law enforcement is too focused on stopping johns from *****mongering, drug users (not drug dealers), stopping speeders on highways, and busting people for looking at pornography. these petty crimes are easy to stop because these are done by law-abiding citizens like us. they are afraid of stopping the hard-core criminals because they don't want to get shot. most professional criminals like the drug dealers, [CodeWord127] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord127), serial killers, and gang lords have guns or knives and these coward police officers don't want anything to do with them. since cops are so afraid of them, these scum of the earth roam freely in america causing mistrust among the women. instead, cops stop the people doing petty things like prostitutes, recreational drug users, people speeding to get to work on time, and even street peddlers selling things on the streets without a merchant's license. it seems like 90% of the police force has gone out to stop the petty crimes rather than the more dangerous criminals.
in countries where these petty crimes are legal, cops are out stopping the real crimes. in holland or germany, instead of trying to bust johns, cops actually stop people from brawling in bars, murderers, [CodeWord127] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord127), and robbers. i saw a two on one fight being broken up by cops and the cops handcuffed all 3 of the brawlers and asked them questions for a police report. the cops came within seconds of the brawling. see, they are not distracted by these petty illegal things that america deems illegal. in america, i had to wait 15 minutes for cops to show up when i witnessed a car theft in newark, nj. by the time the cops came, they escaped. i described the stolen car but no cops went to pursue the thief. there is however, petty theft crimes because the punishment, if caught, is much less severe than a murder or [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). i do agree however that there are stricter and much worse countries than the us like the middle eastern countries where there is also a lot more violent crimes because they have worse petty crime enforcement with less enforcement on serious crimes. in the middle east, a pickpocket who steals to eat who even picks a fruit up from the floor can get his hands cut off. meanwhile, they have domestic murders in which the husband abuser gets away with murdering the wife. the middle eastern country even encourages the killing because they are a bunch of homos that hate women.
with the lack of law enforcements arresting the criminals that ruin it for us, american women became cold and defensive for the rest of us.
Paddy...well, I'm glad that you decided to write a post telling me that you're going to ignore me. That's really a big relief...now that I know you won't be reading my posts, I can finally start using big words. Anyway...good luck with the whole "I hate everyone, please love me" mentality. Tell us when you change the entire world to fit your form of thinking..
on to serious matters: I will pass along a bit of advice that a female friend once gave me...it's been really succesful in the past. She told me that women want men who don't really need women. In other words, they like strong men who are self-sufficient and could care less whether women want them or not. Even in this day and age, women still want a strong man (notice that by "strong" I don't mean violent or obssesed or abusive...) The moment I stopped chasing the women of my choice, I noticed that they were more likely to come to me (of course, if they were interested. If not, then you won't convince a woman to like you) Guys who are OVERLY nice get put into the "friend" category and almost always stay there because women want a MAN, not a male version of a female...and they know that men are sometimes crude, rude, etc...A man who is decisive and confident gets women...period. Now of course, if you are a below average looking man and you're looking for a supermodel, then you still won't have success. As men, we're taught to find what we want and go for it, but in the pursuit of women you need to hold back on your natural urges...give them a little and wait for a response...the more you ignore a woman, the more she wants you (again, of course, if she was interested in the first place)...I know, I know..it doesn't make sense to me either, but if you want to win at Monopoly, you need to understand how to play...
As for me...I'm going for a walk right now...I need some time to recover from the fact that Paddy will no longer be reading my posts...
Guys, very interesting forum here.
I found it few weeks ago and I am really enjoyed it.
I notice major problem with this particular topic.
You are out of ideas. Seems you ‘re complaining, repeating all over again.
I think you need help from outside. You have to learn from the men of other countries
I hope I’ll bring new ideas here. I just sorry for my English. I hope you understand it.
You also can chat with Russian Guys in Russian Forums.
I am from Russia. I came here to North America 10 years ago.
I had no problem to make money here. I am software consultant.
But what I see here in terms of relationship it is just disaster.
Before I came here I never in my life could imagine what the men could be abused by women like you guys.
We, Russian men, never paid attention to this problem what you have Here. Actually was no problem at all. Women were around us like the air. Every day, in the school, university, on the job, on the street, in the busses, in the stores, everywhere you could feel this interest from Russian women. You just needed little bit talk to them, be polite and she is yours. And most of them are really beautiful. NO MONEY. It was absurd to give money to women.
Well, actually often was quite opposite. For example, when I was student in university girls often prepared food and invite us for dinner. They knew what we always hungry ( all money was spend on vodka). Such dinners often finished in the girls beds. Here I talk to my friend from another former communist country – Rumania. Rumania has quite different culture from Russia.
But he had experience with girls basically the same. Although my friend is quite shy he didn’t have any problem with girls in Rumania. His experience was the same
like mine: girls were around him like the air. He just needed make minimum effort.
I also remember few times how girls fight between themselves to have right to sleep with the male. And they were beautiful girls. They fight until blood.
Well here I sow something different. I sow how Canadian men steal wife from his best friend. For me it is just unbelievable. In Russia, I used to that such ugly things could do only women to each other. But the man! I lost any respect to Canadian men.
So what the reason, why Americans such a suckers?
I believe, one of the main reasons is what the delicate balance, which was created by nature, between man and a woman, is destroyed here in North America. Nature gave to the men the muscles. This to bring security and food for women
Nature gave to the women the power the please the men. Nature created the women to be prostitute. This is such simple equitation. And is nothing wrong with it. It is just way how nature keeps men and women together, interested in each other.
For millions and millions years it works. But here, in North America the women can have security, comfort and food without the men. Why she needs to pay them by her pussy? Purpose of the men is corrupted.
Which were similarities in such different cultures like Russian and Rumanian – it was the same communist systems. The relationship between men and women in communist countries was almost same natural relationship as in Stone Age. Originally it was not purpose of communist system but it happened accidentally.
For example, in communist countries the police was very inefficient. Actually they could bring more troubles then they could help. Women could feel only secure if she had friends among men. Any service was very rare. If your car has been broken, you had to fix it yourself. If cold winter you had to do lot of physical job too. Bring and cut wood to heat the house and so on and so on. Well it was not so bad for me like you can imagine.
I would rather work physically than sit all day in front of computer and ruin my health. Women in Russia constantly needed the men to live with some degree of comfort. Because of that, the women there were so sweat. You, American, provided the women with everything. The men invented and build capitalist system including privileges for women, low, security and so on and were stupid enough to give all these goods to women for free. You destroyed balance. And now women don’t need you guys. You have to fight to get it back. Unfortunately I don’t think American man brave enough to do it. He can only go to other countries and spoil more girls.
Thanks for posting Lenin, we needed new ideas on this forum especially from a foreigner's point of view. I agree that American men give women too much power. It's okay to be nice but did the American lawmakers, mostly male, have to give in to ALL the women's right activits demands? Did we have to take away prostitution because feminists complain and get their way from these pushover government? In foreign countries, men are men and women are women. In America, you can't really tell the difference because women have become the men. They hold high positions, cut their hair short, weigh as much as men or even more sometimes (I see a lot of heavyset women hook up with guys that weigh half their weight), and could even carry out a relationship with OTHER women. Yes, the USA have the highest OPENLY gay population on the planet. Lesbians could have kids more readily here than in other countries. In other countries where there is not as many sperm banks, created by desperate men trying to make a buck, women who are secretly lesbian have to have a man impregnate them. Lenin makes a great point that American men have given up the natural rights god have given us to the American women and yes there is an imbalance in nature caused by it, as brought up by Lenin. I see so much of this imbalance that I travel to other countries to take my mind off of this. In fact, women in America really hate sex and they see sex as only a means of controlling men. This is why everything in America is so puritan and prudelike. There is no prostitution, limited access to pornography (which the same feminists want to ban and stop production of and also the women in the video themselves hate doing them), and limited contact strip clubs. Europe and many other countries don't have these restrictions.
I admit we complain a lot on this board but at least we SEE the problem going on here and we do something about it by travelling to other countries where this problem isn't there or isn't as bad. I also want to go a step further by joining sexual freedom groups to protest all of this banning of sex. If any of you guys know of any, I would like to be a member.
Sinanju Master
02-08-03, 00:11
LENIN, O-U-C-H! You hit the nail on the head dude! As much as I would love to change the situation we are in, change takes TIME, and time is a luxury we do NOT have. At least not the amount of time needed to put the necessary changes into effect. Therefore, we are left with the other, more immediate (and to some of us, the more POPULAR) choice: travel to other shores to fill our desires. OUTSIDE the US, we are afforded a clean slate on their turf. To a certain extent, we can bring that clean slate HERE, BUT we have to maintain the relationship through CONSTANT vigilance (letting her know UP FRONT that even though they are the recipient of our affections and courteous behavior, we will NOT put up with any bullshit that may negatively affect the balance of power through any manipulative actions on her part). Does that mean wieldign an iron fist? No. It just means being a gentleman, but FIRMLY standing your ground in letting her know what is and is NOT acceptable behavior. She has to know that women are like buses: another will be along in 15 minutes and it will serve the same purpose as the present bus you just let go. I'm starting to LIKE Russia and Romania a LOT! LOL
Welcome Lenin,
What is your take on the numerous websites where Russian, Belarussian, and Ukranian women want to come to America. Are these legitimate? There must be a hundred sites with thousands of women listed who want to leave Russia. I've "read" that matters are almost untenable for women in Russia and the old Soviet states. Out of curiosity, I got on www.loveme.com and it seems that almost every woman on Rostov-on-the Don wants to get out of there.
I know some guys who have met and married a Russian woman via these sites and they are very happy. They indicate that the women are still women, care about their appearance, are family oriented, etc. Thanks.
Wanderer1000
02-08-03, 02:15
Lenin -
Thanks for your input. I read your post several times and think you are on the mark with your analysis.
What is your theory as to why American men upset this "balance" (or allowed it to happen). Is this just the natural evolution of an affluent society like ours? I have not travelled much in other first-world countries (find the less developed countries generally more interesting), but many men posting on W. European countries, for example, do not describe the terrible condition with women that is often mentioned with American(ized) women. Maybe other first-world countries are really somewhere between America and what you describe as the Russia of ten years ago?
Any thoughts on this?
Interesting post, Lenin, though I'd quibble a bit with your historical take -- North Americans are hardly the inventors of capitalism (generally agreed to come from Europe in the middle ages) though I'd agree that Americans are the ones to raise turn it into a religion. And generally it's probably more proper to blame Hitler for the shift in societal roles, as women going into factories to work during World War II really dramatically marked the shift in roles and move of women into the workplace in this country. But your points are well taken.
Why is it that Europe isn't affected to the same extent as the US, given that capitalism is hardly a strange animal there? Or, given your examples, is this a basic difference between industrial and non-industrial societies as opposed to ideologies?
Did I run into a real winner. This chick contacts me through email, don't know how she got it, but anyway she says she has an athletic body and even though she is older she says she looks young. So I of course demand a pic to prove it. She sends one and it isn't bad so I agree to hook up with her. We meet at a bar/restaurant and boy was she lying about her looks and body type, but true to my handle I dog it anyway, can't turn away a desperate freebie.
darkseid,
it is interesting about sexual freedom groups to protest. i’’ll try to find something on internet.
jak and joe_zop, unbalance is probably major reason but it is not only one.
for example, america doesn’t have such old culture like europe,
the old strong culture could partially compensate negative impact of unbalance.
i notice, another problem is weak communication between men here in north america.
in russia men emotionally more connected and more trust to each other than here.
it helps them to control women.
i think in w. european countries men’s support not as good as in russia but still better than in us.
men in russia met with each other more often. there are much less social barriers there.
they more openly discuss about their relations with wifes, girlfriends and their sexual experience, share information about specific girls
about their behavior, tried to understand their real motive and interest and help with advices. i remember we prevented one man from bad marriage. one girl was too bitchy so we used our good relation with administrator and expelled her from student hostel. you can name this man’s mafia. girls afraid it and respect us.
paddy, it is funny i myself originally from rostov-on-the don.
i was on vacation there 1,5 years ago. i had 2 gfe there.
the mixture of russians and kozaks makes the girls in rostov-on-the don most beautiful girls in russia.
it is also probably most patriarchy place in russia. you got it right, women in rostov-on-the don treated by men more strictly than in moscow, for example. i remember my friends in rostov-on-the don were not very happy when i spend money with girls. they don’t like when i took my girlfriends in restaurant every evening although the restaurant was relatively chip. something like $15 for both including wine and lot of sea food.
they thought i was spoiling the girls. when i gave the money to my girls i didn’t tell about that to my friends. (it was difficult not to give money when you have pockets full of cash and she has nothing) otherwise my friends would be anger at me or thought i am sucker.
less money you spend for girl - more respect you get from local men
one of my girlfriends was 21, police officer trained in special police forces. she told me how she almost killed a man who ttempted to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) her. “may be i even killed him. i remember after i hit him it was blood on the snow and he looked like dead, i just run away.”- she told me.
paddy, if you know some guys who have met and married russian woman and they are very happy this is not going to be for very long.
russian girls could be even more bitchy than american. make no mistake about it.
they more educated than latin girls, they strong physically, and can absorb feminist garbage much faster. when they come here they become so exiting to have such big power to control the men.
it is the russian system and the russian men who make them sweet. i just afraid even think what could happen with me if i brought here my sweetie russian police officer. i knew one russian girl in toronto who beat her canadian husband. i went out with her one night. it was shocking for me to see how she rude to american men in the bars. she enjoyed showing me her power. “in russia i could never do such things “- she told me.” in russia the man could kill me for things, which i am doing here. in russia i always had to be polite even with stupid or drunk men. i fed up. here i can do whatever i want and men afraid me because i can call police. my husband ashamed to call the police when i beat him”- she laughed.
this girl likes north america. she never wanted go back to russia.
Lenin, I agree with you that the American system does spoil the women. They have a lot more rights here in America than the men do. In fact, even if the foreign woman doesn't know her rights, she might meet some bitchy American girl that will tell her all about her rights to bully men and the American men's powerlessness here to do anything about it. The American system corrupts the women and turns them into bitches and prudes. I guess if I meet a girl in Russia that I should live there with her instead of bringing her back to America. Or I could test her to see if she would still love me if I moved to Russia with her.
Even when pros visit America, they jack up their prices when they go back to their land and try to charge a tourist the Ameircan price. One crazy nutcase in HELP discoteque in Rio charged R450 (or $150) for an all nighter when the rest of the women charged less than $100 (depending on how you negotiate). She explained she came to New York and they charged that price for those services. I immediately refused her for being overpriced. Instead I took home an all nighter for $80. The idiot that pays that would spoil the women in Brazil and they end up raising their prices.
Wanderer1000
02-11-03, 02:57
Lenin -
I've enjoyed your posts very much. After reading your two posts and going back to read the report that was originally written by Alex, it helps to raise the discussion level considerably.
America and Canada seem to suffer equally from the affliction of a "matriarchal society". Your main argument for why other industrialized/ affluent countries do not seem to suffer the burden that we North Americans suffer is because of a longer (and apparently more powerful) cultural tradition. I do not have a lot of first-hand experience with other first-world cultures, but what you present sounds logical. I was also wondering what you thought of our country as being so often referred to as "puritanical". Prostitution seems to be more accepted and less expensive in many first-world countries than in America. Does this have a big impact on the power relationship between the sexes in America? I am very interested in any of your ideas about the imbalance that occurs here.
You mention that American men also go overseas and spoil women. Why do we do this? Is it because we are so grateful to meet real women? I also noticed that you admitted guilt to this on your trip to Russia. After ten years here, you were giving money to Russian women even when you knew that your Russian male friends would be pissed off in a big way. How do you explain this?
You made an excellent point about Russian men communicating more with each other and offering support and ideas. This is what American women do all the time and American men do rarely. American men give each other "sound bites" at best for support. And when they get married or involved in a serious relationship, it is like they often disappear into a "black hole". Male friends are often only people you hang around with until you get hooked in a relationship, and then the female will gradually find ways to alienate his friends and isolate him (and men seem to happily accept this). I notice that many cultures do not practice this habit like we do. This gradual process of emasculation (as I call it) seems to be an oddity compared to most other cultures.
You gave an example of a Russian woman that came to Canada and became a total disaster. It was as if her "excitement to have power to control men" made her evil. Why do you think Russian women are so prone to be more bitchy than American women? You even made the statement to Paddy that the men he knows that married Russian women would soon be sorry (or to this effect). (I personally find Russian/Slavic women to be the most beautiful and desirable women, but I have also felt the enormous power behind the sweetness- five weeks in Russia last year). I agree with your analysis.
One final question - and I'm sorry that I take from you but do not add with all my questions - but how do you deal with American women? Now and in the last ten years?
Thanks in advance for your input!
well....I can see after a brief vacation that all is as it was....and then you wonder why nothing changes...The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
...good luck...see y'all later.
from: THE HAPPIEST MAN ALIVE
Miller2K, I hate generalizing from the states I've visited- Ohio, Michigan, Boston, Nevada, California, Washington State, Florida, Georgia, New Jersey, and Connecticut, or the state I live in - New York, but what state do you live in? The American women are probably better there. If they are, I must go there and see for myself. Or you can see how horrible or overcautious the women in these states are. I still have't visited the other 40 States to make a fair judgement of them so I only say how the women are in these states. I find Boston to be the most racist, California and New York to be the most snobby and Nevada had a mix of good and bad women (I did meet a good one there).
I am planning to leave New York after getting another 3 years of experience so I could be marketable for jobs in other states. I should have at least 5 years of experience but I only have 2 (I wasted most of my 20s in Graduate school and ended up with a job that is not of my major). I am willing to do something different and change. I don't plan on staying here in NY just to complain about it but I have to work here for a few more years so I can get a job elsewhere. If there is a state in the US which is better than Nevada, give me some ideas. So far Nevada sounds good (but not for the mongering aspect).
Miller2k lives in Mexico and thus does not have to worry about a lot of the stuff you are concerned with.
If Miller2K does not live here in America and lives in Mexico then he has no right to judge anyone on this forum. He probably doesn't know how bad it gets here in America with the women. I personally would rather be stuck with an overly passive Mexican than a greedy, controlling, and prudelike American woman. If he moves his ass to America, the women here would change him from the "happiest man alive" to the "most miserable man alive"!
The Virgin Terr
02-12-03, 18:57
the feminist movement is a (mostly healthy) reaction to patriarchy, although there's definitely an element to it which is vengeful and hateful and which vilifies men to an absurd extent while infantilizing women as hapless victims. this whole gender war business is nonsense and counterproductive. the enemy isn't the opposite sex; it's men and women both who oppose sexual freedom. decriminalize prostitution and everyone except for prudes will be happy, and even the prudes will be ok once they realize that freedom smooths out everything.
Jack, thanks for your interest
This is just to answer one of your questions:
Why Russian women can to be more bitchy than American.
Others I’ll post later
Russia had long history of violence.
To occupied and control such huge territory with 150 nationalities was not easy. Hundreds of wars, 300 years Mongol slavery, Totalitarism, Starvations. Riots and Revolutions. Man fight all the time and when he came home after all those killing, tired and angered he wanted nothing but full submission from his Russian wife.
To survive his aggression she must be very skilful and learn how counterattack her husband. If you see Happy Sweetie Russian Face it is just façade to disarm her husband.
Behind this façade is wild animal who carefully watching you,
learning your weaknesses and just waiting for the first attack to test your ability to defend yourself.
I am usually waiting for the first symptoms and then just switching to another girlfriend
If you want longer relationship you need to be dominant. Try to be tough with Russian girl and you will see how she respects you and loves you more and she will follow you forever. Never show her what you afraid her, anyway in most cases she never go to police like American women. It is just the way the Russian girls were educated. If you let her dominating, you’ll make serious mistake. She will become confused in the beginning, and then exciting to have power, stop respecting you, become crazy and bitchy, and eventually destroys you and your relationship.
Actually, Chinese women are the same way. However, the Chinese men in China are much more controlling than the ones in China. I would compare myself to Mister Rogers compared to a Chinese guy overseas. Also, once Chinese women come to America, they want to be 100% sure they marry a man they can control so they marry outside their race. Some of them avoid the Asian guy unless they know he can be controlled. The ones stuck in China seem more submissive because they are stuck in a system where the women MUST be submissive to their husbands. My mother seems totally the opposite of the foreign Chinese woman because she lived in this country since she was a teenager but had to come from Canada at first. When I was at China, I see most of the time the Chinese girl serving the husband and sticking to him thick and thin. In America, I see Chinese women getting into arguments with her husband and getting divorces. This also happens in Hong Kong as well because the British system spoils the women just as much as the American women. So I see what Lenin is talking about in that it is the system that makes the women the way they act.
Darkseid,
I also know same things are happening with Vietnamese and Poland girls. Although I did not heard too many bad stories about Latin girls, except in your case, Darkseid.
I still hope the Latin women can at least partially stand this pressure from the system. Latin culture is in total conflict with Puritanism and feminism.
part of the assimilation process is peer pressure from other american women the foreign woman might befriend while she is here in the usa or from american society as a whole.
Wanderer1000
02-15-03, 01:20
Lenin,
I think your opinions have a lot of merit. I liked your historical perspective that explains some aspects of the Russian culture pertaining to the male/female relationship. I too often discount the historical power behind a current culture.
I did find your comments about how to treat Russian women to match some comments from the Moldovian section a little while ago. Several posters experienced with Russian women were advising some guy that did not have a lot of luck with Russian women. The message was clearly that Russian women respond to strength from men. Taking them and treating them almost like you own them was the preferred advice. The women presumably did not respect a guy that treated them with respect. Despite the "liberated" mentality of North American women, I think women here respect and are drawn to a man that does not act too "nice" or "respectful" to them also. I just think you can not be as demanding with American(ized) women as you would be with Russian women. Being aloof and indifferent in a friendly manner can attract American women, but a more forceful approach with a Russian woman will get her on your side.
What do you think of this perspective? It ties in to one of my previous questions regarding how you have dealt with American women in the last ten years.
Many years ago I had a Russian girlfriend.
One evening I accidentally sow her waiting for the taxi with a stranger. With help of my two friends I managed to track her.
One of my friends was former Russian Army Officer - tough guy, who used to treat women like a shit.
My girlfriend went with the stranger to his apartment. We waited near from the door about one hour then knocked in the door and break into apartment. My friend was so upset about whole situation what he beat my girlfriend just in front of her new lover. The lover was scare to death and did nothing to protect her.
It happened what we reunited with my girlfriend after while. She just loved remembers this story. It seems, for her it was best part our relationship.
“If the man beat the woman it means he love her”- she was saying many times. She hated her lover who even didn’t try to protect her.
Surprisingly, she also liked my tough friend and often invited him for dinner. Unfortunately -or may be fortunately -I didn’t have LTR with American women. I tried some attempt in the beginning but I failed miserably.
In that time I didn’t know how situation here is really rotten
It was shocking for me to see how America women disrespect the men.
I remember I just looked at one girl in the bar and she angrily screamed at me: “do not look at me!”. I imagine what would do my tough Russian friend in this case.
I think he would teach her the lesson, which she remembers until end of her life.
I was surprise the women here don’t want make eye contact, don’t want talk to you, refuse go to dance with you. Even after all trouble you manage to make friend with American women it is so boring to talk to them.
I notice when I talk to American women it is such a turn off for me. It is doesn’t matter how beautiful they are. Once American woman open her mouth I feel so bored.
It seems they do not know how to keep the interesting conversation going. They are so primitive and unintelligent in comparison with Russians or Europeans girls. They are so unnatural, frozen and clumsy in comparison with Latin girls. I don’t want to go more in details, they simply just not sexy enough for me.
Now based on my observation and on experience of others, I am just totally ignoring them.
I had Russian women here. She became bitc*. I left her. Last what I heard about her, she manage to get house from her new Canadian husband. One more lucky guy.
I had Brazilian woman. She helped me to restore my self-esteem.
She hated American women and thought they are narrow-minded bitches.
Brazilian women are amazing. 6 times I was in Cuba. Cuban girls are amazing too
darkseid...
I live in Mexico now, but I only moved here three years ago (I'm in my thirties). I was born and raised in Chicago, but I spent time in Northern California, Las Vegas, and Lousiana.
I'm extremely happy here for reasons other than romantic ones. I love Mexican women, but I love women in general. In the US, the women are more like the men--bold, decisive and often prejudiced when it comes to romance. This can make some men uncomfortable. I wasn't put off by that. I just live my life and if she likes me, then we'll talk. If not, then I don't worry about it. So, if I hit a dry spot with respect to women, then I just continued my mongering hobby until one came along...life was a piece of cake. I've had many satisfying relationships with American women, many more unsatisfying ones, but that's how things are. With Mexican women, you need to be more careful because they will always play like they love you and you never know the truth until much later. Personally, I would much rather have a woman spit in my face now than have her stab me in the back later. Saves me time and money.
Sure, American women have a lot of negative aspects (many have been mentioned previously OVER and OVER), but I have to wonder how many of the negative things said about American women are due to the speaker's own personal negative experiences, prejudices, etc. How many of these ideas have been formed due to their own inherent character flaws? I'm not trying to judge anyone, but the fact is that American men and American women are getting together everyday, millions at a time. People are having decent (and better) relationships all the time. Could it be that ALL 50 million+ American men within dating age are "whipped" or that they ALL like to get it "with a strap-on"? (This is the common attack against me). Could it be that ALL 50+ million women within dating age are b*tches and "feminazis?" Or is it more likely that a small, sub-sect of the male species is simply unable to have a decent relationship with a woman due to their own flaws and hang-ups?
Hey, like I said a million times...do what you like. I don't see American women as any better or any worse than any other group of women...just different. And if you can't deal with the differences, then Good Luck.
Don't bother attacking me because I won't be checking into this section anymore. (Please hold the applause) The only reason I did in the first place was because I had a friend that thought just as you do and about 5 years ago he put a bullet in his own head...He was a good person, a brilliant engineer, but a social mis-fit. He had trouble with his personal skills and instead of turning inward, he started to blame the world. Eventually, a really great guy turned into a dark, brooding shell of a man...and one day he just couldn't take it anymore...
Well, I'll leave you to the world you've created for yourselves. I guess a man never really changes until he bottoms out, but by then it's often too late...take care all and if you want to hear from me again, I'll still be posting in the Mexico section. If you don't want to hear from me again, good...I was getting kinda bored with y'all anyway :)
from: THE HAPPIEST MAN ALIVE
You know, miller2k, by and large I've enjoyed your posts, and this section periodically (ok, probably more than that) makes me also want to throw up my hands and not check in again, but your last post is simply spiteful at its core. You make a nice case statement for yourself, define your approach and attitude well, but then -- with the disingenuous disclaimer that you're not trying to judge anyone -- from there it's just a gratuitous slap. The dismissive and superior attitude there toward other posters is precisely why you attract the "strap-on" comments.
And this is a comment from someone who by and large agrees with your position and perspective.
Originally posted by miller2k RESPONSE BY NPAUL
darkseid...
In the US, the women are more like the men--bold, decisive and often prejudiced when it comes to romance. This can make some men uncomfortable. ...
MOST MEN PREFER WOMEN TO BE TRADITIONAL AND FEMININE, THE WAY GOD MADE THEM, THE WAY THEY REMEMBER THEIR OWN MOTHER'S TO BE.
...Personally, I would much rather have a woman spit in my face now than have her stab me in the back later. Saves me time and money.
I PREFER TO LOOK FOR THE KIND THAT ARE SWEET AND DO NEITHER. USUALLY THEY ARE MUCH YOUNGER, COME FROM POOR COUNTRIES WHERE LITTLE IS APPRECIATED (LIKE PHILIPPINES).
Sure, American women have a lot of negative aspects (many have been mentioned previously OVER and OVER), but I have to wonder how many of the negative things said about American women are due to the speaker's own personal negative experiences, prejudices, etc. How many of these ideas have been formed due to their own inherent character flaws?
SO YOU BLAME THE VICTIM, DICKHEAD? TRY FOCUSING ON FEMINISM, WOMEN'S RIGHT'S MOVEMENT, LACK OF HOMEMAKING SKILLS IN WOMEN, AND EXPECTING THE MALE TO STILL PAY FOR EVERYTHING! THEY NOT ONLY WANT EQUALITY, THEY WANT IT ALL!!! YOU ARE THE ONE WITH AN IDIOT CHARACTER FLAW. YOU PROBABLY WERE THE FIRST MALE TO MAJOR IN WOMEN'S STUDIES AT THE UNIVERSITY.
...Could it be that ALL 50+ million women within dating age are b*tches and "feminazis?" NO, JUST MOST OF THEM. LISTEN AND OVERHEARD WHAT THEY ARE SAYING TO EACHOTHER. THEY ARE CONSTANTLY PLOTTING THEIR NEXT TAKE OVER OF A MAN.
...Or is it more likely that a small, sub-sect of the male species is simply unable to have a decent relationship with a woman due to their own flaws and hang-ups?
THE US DIVORCE RATE FROM WOMEN EXCEEDS 60 %. I WOULD NOT CALL THIS A SMALL SUB-SPECT OF MALE SPECIES. THERE ARE NO DIVORCES IN PHILIPPINES AND WOMEN ARE THE SWEETEST TO BE FOUND. MANY MEN HAVE GIVEN UP AND ARE TURNING GAY.
... Don't bother attacking me because I won't be checking into this section anymore. (Please hold the applause)
GOOD.
The only reason I did in the first place was because I had a friend that thought just as you do and about 5 years ago he put a bullet in his own head...He was a good person, a brilliant engineer, but a social mis-fit. He had trouble with his personal skills and instead of turning inward, he started to blame the world. Eventually, a really great guy turned into a dark, brooding shell of a man...and one day he just couldn't take it anymore...
TELL ME WHERE YOU LIVE AND I WILL SEND A GUN FOR YOU, PUSSYBRAIN. YOU PROBABLY ARE A WOMAN IN REALITY AND MAKE UP GOOD STORIES ABOUT YOUR "FRIEND."
Well, I'll leave you to the world you've created for yourselves. I guess a man never really changes until he bottoms out, but by then it's often too late...take care all and if you want to hear from me again, I'll still be posting in the Mexico section. If you don't want to hear from me again, good...I was getting kinda bored with y'all anyway :)
DON'T LET THE SCREEN DOOR HIT YOU IN THE ASS, IDIOT.
from: THE HAPPIEST MAN ALIVE
POP ANOTHER PROZAC IF YOU BELIEVE THAT.
hey guys, chill out, you're getting too serious. Chill out, enjoy life, make up and be friends, you're taking yourselves too seriously. As the victim of spousal abuse and just now recovering after the divorce but still dealing with the virtual theft of my children, all I can say to your is: see the lighter side of life, your glass should be half full or more, NOT half empty filled with bitterness. My 2 cents.
Originally posted by npaul
POP ANOTHER PROZAC IF YOU BELIEVE THAT.
Sinanju Master
02-16-03, 19:33
rendorseg: Point taken, and have already started putting your advice to good use before you posted.
npaul: Man, you must have read my thoughts while I was asleep and posted them here! How in the fuck did you do that?? LOLOL
In May, I'll be traveling to the Philippines with a Filipino friend (his family is well-off) and his wife. He has an "official" itinerary (known to the wife) and a clandestine one (UNKNOWN to the wife) that we'll follow when he lets her go about her business when we get there. If the Philippines are as you say, npaul, I just hope I don't go hog-fucking-wild over Filipina women.
An American man already biggest suckers in the world. Rest of the world laughed at American man.
In Russia American man have new nickname – pindos. It is sounds in Russian like a gay.
Miller and others like him want everybody here quietly accept this shitty situation and become even bigger suckers.
Here Suicide Rates are per 100,000 population and
come from the United Nations 1996
Demographic Yearbook published in 1998
Canada 13.4
U.S. 11.1
Brazil 3.5
DR 2.1
Guyana 1.7
Mexico 3.2
Panama 3.0
Paraguay 2.3
Philippines 1.3
In US and Canada men commite suicide in some age
grups 8 times more then women
It is even more striking if you think that all third world countries have huge problems which
Canada and US do not have
I think, it is clear that This System
which repress our sexual needs
commits the crime against its own people mostly the crime against men.
Glad to see that you guys have also had it with Miller2K and all of his irritating jive. He's nothing but but a snotty little prick who has almost certainly been acting this way his whole miserable little life.
Oops. I forgot that he's "The Happiest Man Alive." You know, one would suspect that "The Happiest Man Alive" would have little or no cause or motivation to go around attacking guys and engaging in viscious verbal attacks on the internet. Pretty safe that way isn't Miller!
I hope that someday he can find the actual "happiness" which is elduing him.
Miller2K, the reason you are the happiest man alive is that you moved out of this hellhole which is the USA and don't have to face the same bullshit we do. I will follow in your footsteps in moving out of this country and becoming an ex-pat but I won't be as stuck up as you are. The USA is only a place to make money and get the latest technology much like Japan but the similarities between these two countries is that they are both undersexed. I don't totally hate the USA because it has the technological benefits but I would like to live elsewhere where the women are a lot friendlier. And Miller, for your information, I am not a lonely guy and I can get women here but the women here are much less interesting than the ones overseas. Most of them date you but are prudes. Yes, I have a "platonic" relationship which I, of course being the sexual animal I am, am not happy with. In fact, she wants to wait until marriage to do it. I only went out with her because of Valentine's day. And it was extremely difficult to get her and I think it isn't worth the wait. I also had to ask out more than 50 women in clubs, the gym, and internet to meet her in desperation to get a date for Valentine's day. I know, I get a low hit ratio but unlike your friend, Miller, I will not commit suicide because I learned to live with this situation until I get to leave this place.
Perhaps you can post on the Mexico section on how to expatriate from America. I am interested in leaving this country when I save up enough from my 8 to 5 job (lunch unpaid, 9 hour day). I will read your Mexico posts if you can show us how to do it.
Darkdeid,
I am thinking absolutely same. I am interested in leaving this country too. Probably many guys here would do it. Only one problem is money.
I think we need the new topic:
How to make money or at least save money while going to or living in others countries.
Just think why somone would be happy in Mexico, the women are traditional and loyal to their spouses, unlike a majority in the U.S. I dated a latina for a while and it freaked me out how much she would serve me, I couldn't get up to do anything. If she wasn't a little loony, I probably still be with her, besides she was looking for citizenship.
Look how women are here in America. If you have a girlfriend or wife and go out, other women try to hook up with you, besides the other married women that want to get laid. I have a relationship too, but I don't let her control me and it drives her crazy. The girl I go out with attempts to manipulate me, but it doesn't work any more. I live by my handle, the big dog, and I am the one in control. I stay with her because the sex is good for now and if something better comes along, I'm there. This American guy isn't any wussy.
The reason I love to get a sw, stripper, or hoe is because I can and its a rush. Its a power and control thing, besides its more economical to pay a minimum amount for a bj or fs than to put up with the bs, money for dating, and the possibility of not getting laid from some stereotypical American woman.
Some women are good, its just the feminazis that want men to be seen as the enemy and us to feel ashamed for being a man. Not me, I'm a man and proud of it.
Originally posted by Lenin
Here Suicide Rates are per 100,000 population and
come from the United Nations 1996
Demographic Yearbook published in 1998
Canada 13.4
U.S. 11.1
Brazil 3.5
DR 2.1
Guyana 1.7
Mexico 3.2
Panama 3.0
Paraguay 2.3
Philippines 1.3
In US and Canada men commite suicide in some age grups 8 times more then women It is even more striking if you think that all third world countries have huge problems which Canada and US do not have I think, it is clear that This System which repress our sexual needs commits the crime against its own people mostly the crime against men.
Well, I waited a while for the very educated and erudite JZ to jump on this, BUT while I agree with 83% of what Lenin says (the 17% I don't agree with being related to being violent towards women), he conveniently leaves out the fact that the suicide rate in Russia is MUCH higher than either the USA's or Canada's. I am not one who believes whatever is posted on the internet, but one source (www.aneki.com/suicide.html) gives the rate for "Russia" as 37.4 per 100,000 and another (www.cely.com) gives the rate for the "USSR" as 16.8. This is consistent with what I learned in college. The strongest correlation is between suicide and alcoholism. Eastern Europe and the Anglo world (UK, US, Canada; not sure of the proper all-inclusive term) have the highest rates of both alcoholism and suicide. Makes some sense, I guess, if you've ever had a bad hangover. I have, but never one bad enough to make me kill myself. Well, maybe I have had a hangover so bad I wanted to kill myself but it rendered me so incompetent I couldn't get my shit together enough to actually DO it.
Of course, I mistrust the statistics, since suicide is a sin in Catholic countries and likely underreported, and some of the reported suicides in totalitarian countries are quite likely murders.
Missed the original post, DH, or I'd definitely had a reply, since quoting stats like that and then drawing grand conclusions is rather dicey, particularly if, like Lenin, you're being kind of arbitrary about what you present. Your point regarding classification of what is and isn't a suicide in various countries is a good one, and it's certainly something that's been argued a lot in the field, since you've got civil servants making classifications regarding deaths, and that shifts by religion, size and type of city, etc. But I think if you combine the suicide and the murder stats you start getting closer to truth, as collectively they end up showing trends one way or another. (I always think of the study that tied murder and suicide rates together, showing that when suicides went down, murders went up and vice versa -- moral, if you won't kill you, I will...)
The US also has the highest mortality rate from firearms, and there's a direct correlation between suicide rates and percentage of homes in a region where there are guns. (This despite the fact that there are other countries, such as Finland, which report a higher percentage of homes with guns, which probably says something about the types of guns involved.) We can play with stats a million ways, but I'll restrict myself to the same general ones Lenin quotes, as he rather conveniently overlooks a few others:
If you're going to denounce the US suicide rate using UN stats, then you should probably also denounce those of, let's see -- Estonia, Hungary, Finland, Denmark, Austria, Switzerland, France, Japan, Belgium, Singapore, Germany, Canada, Portugal, Norway, Australia, New Zealand, Croatia, Cuba, Lithuania, among others, all of whom report higher suicide rates per 100,000 than the US. Probably also ought to factor in homicides, too, which means another long list including Estonia again, Brazil, Mexico, Taiwan, Venezuala, the Bahamas, the Philippines, and a host of others who have higher homicide rates than the States.
And good ol' mama Russia, which is here being held up as some sort of paragon of male heaven by Lenin, has suicide and homicide rates that are basically 400% of those in the states. Sorry, but even if I agree that the US is completely screwed up, that's not exactly a comforting set of numbers for a system that works, either.
It's also worth noting that males outnumber females in suicide statistics by age group not just in the US, but in pretty much every country where I've been able to find rates. I'm not really sure what the point is here of quoting such stats, since it rather clearly points to factors other than the "system" or country involved, to something social, physiological, or perhaps weather related. That might well be a good set of things to discuss, but I don't think it can be completely laid on the oversized feet of American Women, in this case.
You have to exclude Russia and all East European countries from discussion because they are going through huge social changes. Just couple examples. What would happen with USA suicide rate if during a week the dollar would lose 80% of its value, similar to what happened with Russian ruble. Or what would happen if more than half population lost their jobs.
joe_zop, although I said that situation here with sex much worse than in Russia, I didn’t tell that Russia is the male heaven, indeed Russia also had long history of sexual repressions. I just tried to make accent on Latin Countries because they have biggest sexual freedom.
Brazil has big homicides rate bat I don’t think it include suicide part.
High homicides in Brazil due one of the biggest in the world difference between rich and poor. And it is amazing what in spite of such huge problems they have low suicide rate.
I have two Brazilian friends. They have Canadian passports and can live and work in North America but they hate it. They prefer live in Brazil, are hungered but have as many girlfriends as they want. I have seen them here and I have seen them in Brazil. Here they clearly were depressed. When I saw them in Brazil they were different people. They were happy and full of energy.
Dickhead, I agree that correlation between alcohol consumption and suicide rate exist. But I also believe that exist strong correlation between sexual repression and suicide rate.
It is just not exist many researches about it.
Here I found some interesting info:
FROM: http://fathersforlife.org/ussuic.htm
In the interval from 1979 to 1996 there were a total of 535,890 deaths in the U.S.A. that were diagnosed and reported to have been suicides. Of these suicide victims, 421,991 were boys and men, and 113,899 were girls and women.
The number of male suicide victims rose in virtually every
year during the eighteen-year 1979 - 1996 interval, whereas the number of female victims was generally on the decline in virtually every year.
The number of female suicide victims was considerably lower in 1996 than it was in 1979, in spite of a sizeable increase in the American population during that period. It declined from 6,950 to 5,905 annually.
The number of the male suicide victims rose during the same period from 20,256 to 24,998 annually.
In other words, more American boys and men died during and on account of the War of the Sexes than died in all military conflicts in which the USA were involved during the 20th century.
Originally posted by joe_zop
(I always think of the study that tied murder and suicide rates together, showing that when suicides went down, murders went up and vice versa -- moral, if you won't kill you, I will...)
No shit? I was unaware of that inverse relationship. It seems weird to me. It seems like the same conditions that would lead to rise in one would lead to a rise in the other. What is your take on that? It is off topic but who gives a shit.
BTW, I thought it was funny over there in Asia when the guy said he thought you were from the UK. Couldn't he tell by your spelling that you were not? You do have one peccadillo or anomaly of saying (well, writing) "I've" in places where most Americans would not use that contraction.
First I learned American English and spelling, then I lived in Ireland in grades 3-7 and had to learn that, then I had to unlearn it when I moved back to the US. And don't even get me started on the whole fork in the left hand fork in the right hand thing. Now I try to conform to the forking habits (ha ha) of wherever I am but it ain't easy.
Well, back to the subject of American women. There are some good ones but not enough and they are too much work. I now have my work situation set up so I will only need to live here 5 months out of the year, max (really just a shade more than 4 if I want to push it). I have begun selling off my possessions and and fixing up my house for sale. I don't think I am as bitter and paranoid as some of the posters in this section but truly the situation is better for men elsewhere. For me, the best fit is Latin America and as of June that is where I shall be. From August to December I will do my incarceration in the US and then I will take those good old Yankee dollars where they are more appreciated.
DH, I always thought that study was a strange one as well, and have never been entirely sure what to make of it -- whether it's tied to economics, social ills, whatever. Maybe it's just like precipitation, in that there's an average amount even if it comes down in different forms. Dunno.
As far as writing style, I think I'm going to start adding the letter "u" into various words just to keep people guessing :) That post was more of a comment about the perception of American writing than anything else, I guess. Hmm, the "I've" thing is interesting -- never thought much about it, as it's just part of how I was taught.
And congrats on arranging your life to work as you have -- most folks I know would give anything to be able to do the same.
Lenin, my point was that there are plenty of places with similar suicide scenarios to the US, whether or not they operate under the same political or social system, and pulling out suicide statistics and tossing them as if they have some specific meaning is tough to do. According to the World Health Organization, global suicide rates rose 49% for men and 33% for women from 1950-1995, so there's an overall trend regardless of where you happen to be, what your system is, etc. The rates for men by age are always pretty consistently higher no matter where you happen to be, (with the exception of rural areas in China, where female suicide is exceptionally high) and to me the curious thing is that rates are very high in island cultures, such as Cuba, Sri Lanka, and Japan.
If you want to really look at the stats, it appears that religion also plays a larger part than anything else, with very low rates in Islamic areas where it's considered a great sin, to extremely high rates for athiests and fairly high rates for buddhists. And the true change is actually this -- unlike in the past, when suicide was heavily skewed toward the elderly, most suicides are now by those under the age of 45, with the years from 36 to 45 being the high water mark for both sexes. The real disproportion is that there's still a lot of elderly suicide here in the US, and it's almost exclusively male -- which might well say something about lack of sexual ability as opposed to sexual frustration, but mostly about isolation, as the majority are those who have been divorced or widowed, and are depressed and isolated.
My objection is simply that you've pulled these stats out of context to say something about the US and Canada, and it's not necessarily something that can be supported specifically by the facts you present. And if you're trying to make a grand statement about relative happiness between the sexes, your US statistics should probably take into account the fact that though more men die from suicide, women actually make three times as many suicide attempts. (This stuff comes from the CDC, btw.) That 3 of 5 successful suicides are done with guns and men are more comfortable with firearms might also have something to do with things, but who knows? You are happy to throw out, as does the male-oriented site you cite, that female suicide rates have dropped, but actually the same thing is true for US men -- men's 2000's rate was 17.5 as opposed to 1990's 20.4, whereas women's rates were 4.1 in 2000 and 4.8 in 1990. That's virtually the same percentage drop -- men's is actually slightly higher. (These newer rates are from from suicidology.org.) Should we somehow conclude from this statistic that the American sexual system is improving? I hardly think so! You might think that there's some sort of correlation between sexual repression and suicide, but I hardly think you've properly supported or demonstrated that.
Your Brazillian example could be anyone, anywhere, really, so I don't know really what it actually proves. People often get depressed and frustrated in strange places and cultures -- in fact, it's one of the very common stages and states of the process (something I always had to watch for with foreign students when I was teaching, as it was the usual response after the newness and wonderfulness of the culture wore off, just before the process of comparing the new place unfavorably to the old kicked in, and before some kind of balanced perspective was hopefully achieved.) I spent time with an American in Thailand who was very depressed about how things worked, unlike when he was at home in his own environment, in Kenya with a friend from India who felt similarly displaced and depressed, etc. I just don't know that you can make a grand conclusion from this.
Again, my objection is not at all to your point of view -- I happen to agree completely with you that the US is very uptight in terms of sexual relationships compared to just about everywhere else, in terms of attitude, availability, ease, and comfort. I simply object to throwing out statistics without context to make a point, particularly when the whole picture of such stats doesn't necessarily support what you're saying.
Not trying at all to be contentious here -- it's just that use and misuse of studies and statistics and unwarranted conclusions made by researchers are a couple of my particular touchy points, and tend to propel me to close reading and further research.
Originally posted by joe_zop
[ the "I've" thing is interesting -- never thought much about it, as it's just part of how I was taught."
From very far north US? Or of Scandinavian descent? Or one or both parents raised in the UK? I am a student of accents and regionalisms. You do the same thing with "I'd." DH
"According to the World Health Organization, global suicide rates rose 49% for men and 33% for women from 1950-1995"
That is a fifty percent greater increase among men than among women and since that trend, if continued, would be exponential, I think it supports what Lenin is saying, unfortunately. DH
"to me the curious thing is that rates are very high in island cultures, such as Cuba, Sri Lanka, and Japan."
Those are very different cultures. Do you think the juxtaposition is valid? Japan, of course, has cuturally ingrained suicide due to issues of "face"; Cuba is totalitarian so maybe my murder thesis applies. Sri Lanka? No clue! DH
"extremely high rates for athiests"
Can you give me a cite? Plus once they are dead who is to really say they are atheists? Maybe if you put the gun in your mouth and pull the trigger you regain religious faith before the bullet hits your brain? DH
"most suicides are now by those under the age of 45, with the years from 36 to 45 being the high water mark for both sexes."
Hormonal changes? Realization that you are who you are going to be? Reminds me of the Marianne Faithfull song about realizing you have found forever and will never ride through Paris in a sports car with the warm wind in your hair. Well, I will be 46 in a few months so I guess I will just have to die of natural causes or get stabbed to death in a Third World alley while chasing hookers. DH
"The real disproportion is that there's still a lot of elderly suicide here in the US, and it's almost exclusively male -- which might well say something about lack of sexual ability as opposed to sexual frustration, but mostly about isolation, as the majority are those who have been divorced or widowed, and are depressed and isolated."
Wouldn't lack of ability be fairly frustrating? And can't that problem be LICKED? DH
"though more men die from suicide, women actually make three times as many suicide attempts."
Indicating to me a large number of bullshit quasi-attempts to gain attention and manipulate feelings. I have seen this a few times. DH
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Dickhead,
Good for you! I'm very impressed. You're well along in your escape from America and the women here. I'm still several years away due to events beyond my control. What country are you are you moving to if you don't mind my asking???
Yes, I agree with your statement that there are some good women here in America but just not enough of them. They're hard to find and almost all of them have been snapped up - for obvious reasons.
As I've said before, you're NO Dickhead. Again, my compliments.
Paddy, I have not decided on a permanent country, and may never decide. I am going to spend the (US) summer in first Mexico and then Argentina. After serving my next detention in the US, I am leaning towards more Argentina followed by Costa Rica when the antipodean winter hits. Maybe the other way around depending on circumstances. I won't have enough money to relocate more than twice a year, I don't think, although that depends on many factors, notably currency exchange rates. Argentina has the lowest cost of living of the three. Costa Rica has the best scenery. Mexico is most familiar to me and I always feel at home there, but unpotable water and the Napoleonic code are negatives.
Cuzco, Peru and Quito, Ecuador are other possibilities. I am working on a job in Quito that pays $1000 US per month (Ecuador has fully dollarized their economy for those who don't know, so no foreign exchange risk under that scenario) for spring of 2004, which is huge there, and although I find work annoying in general that could be a tie-breaker. I am underqualified for the job but I don't think they will get someone with all the qualifications they want for $1000 a month, plus most people would be too scared to go there anyway (it has to be a native English speaker and I think they are pretty firm on that).
Also let me state for the record that the warmongering shitheads running the country and the workaholic nature of the culture are as significant in my decision as is the nature of American women. If ANY of those three factors were not present I could probably stick it out. But of course I have no job security and if my US job blows up I will have to move back to the US full-time in two or three years. Conversely, if I can stick with the job for five or six more seasons I could leave for good, although I am not saying that is necessarily my preference. We shall see.
Sinanju Master
02-19-03, 02:46
DH, I find your situation very interesting and will be looking forward to your posts in the future regarding your current status. Myself, personally, I think I'd wanna keep at least a TEMPORARY U.S. residence in order to make myself appreciate even MORE the things that are offerred offshore when I relocate to recharge my batteries. Remember, there is such thing as TOO MUCH of a good thing. I used to live in the Republic of Panama (Costa Rica's next door neighbor) and if it's all that everyone says, that cpuld be a target of mine and relearning Spanish. I also like what I've heard of Argentina what with some of the European-looking chicks. Keep me posted and I'll stock up on the beer and chips!
Yeah, I thought about keeping my house here but really I can't afford it and also I work 45 miles from where I live and I am getting sick of that, so I will just rent an apartment in that town while I am serving my sentence. Owning a house is sort of stupid for a single guy anyway. I'd rather stay mobile right now. I'll be back in Argentina in 17 more days so fuck all this shit anyway.
DH -- yup, far north, both parents from small towns there, neither from UK or so influenced. Not Scandinavian, more French-Canadian influence, as both families filtered through there to the US, but there is a nordic influence in the region. I suspect the contraction thing comes more from form drills from my strict Catholic school upbringing than from family influence.
As far as the increase in suicide rates, I don't think it at all supports Lenin's statements, since those focused on the US and Canada -- the point is that this is a global trend. A good statement perhaps about the stress and despair of today's world, but not necessarily about the North American value system. Agreed, though that it's quite alarming, but as you note with your earlier comment, part of it could also simply be about classification.
The citation on the athiest thing is http://www.med.uio.no/iasp/bertolote.pdf -- and in looking at it again I see that they're including China in the classification, which helps move things up a bit. They acknowledge that there's no way to take personal levels of religiosity into account. You might be right regarding religious conversion by bullet, but I'd count the state while the trigger was pulled as more significant than arrival. And I've no idea on the island thing -- it's simply something also noted in this study, and struck me because I find it rather baffling and intriguing. Could just be coincidence.
And while I agree that numbers of women attempt suicide for show and attention, a 3 to 1 ratio is still significant and doesn't completely explain that. I have a sister who attempted a number of times during a period of mental illness -- the bottom line is that if it had been my brother instead, he'd have succeeded first time. She was luckily simply incompentent in terms of planning or thinking during her bouts of severe depression as opposed to calling out. I've had a number of female friends off themselves, and one thing that's significant about the ones who succeeded is that none of us really had a clue it was coming -- they were just found dead. But none of them used guns, which tend to work -- it was all cutting, pills, or hangings, with the latter being most likely successful.
Are you looking to be teaching in Ecuador?
JZ: What I thought supported Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov's (aka Lenin) statements was the more rapid increase in male suicide vs. female suicide. There is a lot of suicide in my family history, all males. Shotguns were the weapon of choice; extremely messy and inconsiderate. Then I showed up to pick up a classmate for our junior prom and found him hanged in the shower. 15 years old, a top athlete, good student, wealthy family, etc. No explanation, no warning; just a note saying "I am sorry. Goodbye" pinned to his formal shirt. I couldn't get my own shit back together and quit school a few weeks later. It messed me up for years.
Also my best friend drowned in 1991 under questionable circumstances and I have always believed that to be suicide as well: an expert swimmer, a 0.04 blood alcohol level, no other drugs in his system, ridiculously far from shore, and severely depressed from the breakup of a long-term relationship (aka lack of pussy). It was in a lake and so no tides or whatever. I think it was his equivalent of "going out on the ice" as elderly Eskimos do. You have posted, and so I guess it is okay to say, that you have had issues or problems with depression. I feel that male suicide in the US could be reduced if, as Lenin states, we had better male communication and that is something I enjoy about the forum.
So over the past ten years or so I have been analyzing all of this and have come to the conclusion that PUSSY is the answer. I feel energized and happy when I have it and depressed and frustrated when I don't. Also, when I don't have access to good quality pussy I can manage my situation with marijuana and it really, really pisses me off that is illegal and therefore too expensive for me to afford on a regular basis. Plus the more marijuana I have, the more pussy I get. In the context of this section of the forum, I feel American women tend to ration and control the pussy to an absurd extent as opposed to women in other countries, so therefore I need to get the fuck out. This is in the best interests of all countries concerned since I am one mean, nasty, unproductive son of a ***** when I am not getting laid.
And yes, I am trying to get a teaching job in Ecuador at Universidad San Francisco de Quito. They offered me the job for sure if I wanted to start this fall (2003) and teach a full year but I had already committed to staying at my present job which has treated me well (not to be confused with PAYING me well).
To me, suicide is a coward's way out and a selfish act. I hope no one has a problem with me saying that but it has just affected my life so profoundly. Your family never really recovers. If anyone out there is considering it as a solution, just remember that you will never touch taste smell or screw any pussy ever again.
Now I have to go find some weed or get really drunk and forget about this whole suicide issue. Of course, it will be much easier to get drunk and that is legal so that is probably what I will do.
No disagreement from me on the general improvement in state of mind when getting laid regularly -- I just happen to think it also affects women, even if they are the ones who generally control things in that regard. (It's not as though women can't be contrary, is it? Or that we guys have a corner on self-destructive behavior, even though some of us are truly specialists!) I agree completely with you that improved male communication can only help. If I ever want to really get down (not that I need help, as you've correctly recalled that I'm a depressive -- just wired that way and it runs in the family) all I need to do is start counting up those I know, both sexes, who've done themselves in.
The so-called battle of the sexes has made things difficult for centuries, and while American women bring their particular unlovely flavor to the table, they're simply the latest in a long line of frustrating versions. The bottom line -- Lenin's criticisms notwithstanding -- is that none of us is going to easily change the societal structure we're dealing with, so either we're taking your approach and finding what we need/want elsewhere, we're looking to get lucky and find someone who doesn't play the game the way we bemoan, we're figuring out ways to ease the frustration via diversions or pay-for-play, or we're just being miserable b*tching SOBs.
Best of luck on the job front -- a couple of years of work in a different country and culture is a good enough reward and education in itself, let alone the positive pussy aspects. Screw the quiet desperation thing -- that leads too often to the tragic result we've been discussing. I think it's better to make noise and make changes.
PurpleNGold
02-19-03, 13:13
Originally posted by Dickhead
So over the past ten years or so I have been analyzing all of this and have come to the conclusion that PUSSY is the answer. I feel energized and happy when I have it and depressed and frustrated when I don't.
And I thought the answer was 42. Just kidding.
I agree with you and add my $.02 that is slightly tangential...
In the last two serious relationships I had, I noted that, during peak sexual times, when we would have sex more than once or twice a day, the relationship was much smoother. Things that, at other times, would cause arguments just blew over with laughter.
I really think that the act of sex temporarily alters our perceptions of our surroundings in a positive way. Not just the surface stuff, but down in the sub-conscious. It's like, for a couple hours afterwards, our mind is thinking, "Okay. I've got food, shelter and I did my bit to try furthering the human race. I can chill right now."
PurpleNGold
02-19-03, 13:18
Originally posted by Lenin
Darkdeid,
I am thinking absolutely same. I am interested in leaving this country too. Probably many guys here would do it. Only one problem is money.
I think we need the new topic:
How to make money or at least save money while going to or living in others countries.
Well, if anyone wants to pay me to travel to exotic locales and bang hot chicks on camera for some website, I'm there.
purplengold123@yahoo.com :-)
The Virgin Terr
02-19-03, 13:53
seems like the posters from the morality section have moved to this one, with the exception of rn; i wonder what's happened to her? i think the discussion of the past couple days is more relevant to the morality section than this one. i also agree that male communication is good and this whole forum is to be commended for that.
i agree completely or nearly so with dh regarding the effect of good sex and good drugs such as marijuana which isn't physically addictive on happiness, and without happiness what's the point of living? i'm more fortunate than dh in that my therapeutic pot habit requires such moderate consumption that even with ridiculous black market prices it poses no significant financial burden. i'm less fortunate with consensual sex, so thank god or whatever that at least there's an abundance of pornography available in america to facilitate arousal for masturbation. re. the suicide discussion, i"d like to add another wrinkle. there should be separate categories for physically healthy and physically disabled or ill. suicide among healthy people is indicative of sick, repressive culture mostly. with modern medicine prolonging life of dubious quality for some people combined with increasing pressure on natural resources from increasing human populations, suicide rates for physically compromised individuals are bound to increase into the future. derek humphrey, a leader for years in the fight for socially accepted euthanasia, wrote a great book just a few years ago on this subject.
In terms of the suicide discussion, I think one cause of suicide among men tend to be that they bottle up their feelings much more than women instead of discussing it in length. Women tend to express their feelings to each other and notice that when guys talk over the phone, the conversation is very brief while women talk for hours even if it is the same topic. Also men are discouraged from showing their feelings because society will deem them homosexual. Men are taught to act a specific way that is "manly" while women can act any way they please. Lesbianism is much more accepted in American society so it is okay for women to even act manly. It is this societal pressure that men do not communicate their depression and thus they commit suicide because they have no support or no one to turn to for help. I had an acquantance that jumped on the third rail of a subway that I didn't know much about. He was very unopen about what's going on in his life and acted as though everything is cool. Then one day, I heard he electrocuted himself on the subway tracks and I didn't find out about his problems with debt until after his death. He killed himself over debt! If he had gone for help, he would have been helped on solving this issue. Instead, society teaches men that we have to face our problems on our own to be "men" and that is why we don't ask for directions when we're lost. The suicides that are prevented with women are partly because they are being helped with their problems. They talk to friends and other sympathetic ears and get the help they need to seek answers on the altenatives to suicide. Sometimes society can be an ass and turn deaf ears on men when men ask for help. They are more likely to favor and help the women more readily than they would help the man. Society tells men to "just deal with their problems" so the depressed men carry out their suicide.
Lack of sex can also be a cause of suicide. This forum is a great outlet to solve this problem. Not only can I get the latest info on where to get laid if I can't get any in America, but I can vent my frustration of American women on this thread. I also like to post info on my trips to not only give back to this forum but to brag about my conquests overseas with the non-pro women. Without forums like these, we would bottle up our frustation and suicide would be greater. Also notice that NONE of the people here on this forum commited suicide even the most miserable ones (I won't mention any names).
I have tried to restrain myself from entering this pissing contest . . . as many other former-posters have. But I can't help adding a few thoughts.
One important point is that many of you are comparing American women to foreign hookers. You have trouble finding a date here but can get laid in Mexico or Eastern Europe for $50. Ok, so what? Dating and paying for it are two different things. You are comparing apples and oranges. Women are cheaper in 3rd world countries as is everything else. Money and status are important in ALL countries. What you are discovering is that your status in Prague or Argentina or Mexico is relatively higher than in the US. Just as a beer is cheaper in Mexico so are service providers. $50 to the typical Mexican guy is a days work, or more. That equates to $200-$300 here. And with the added "tax"of illegality, you are probably talking $400-$500. These escorts DO exist here. They are beautiful and can provide the sweet GFE. But are for a select group of men - the upper 10% who can afford them. They don't walk the street and many don't even advertise. If you are looking for bang for the buck, be it restaurants, houses or women you won't find it in the US or England or any industrialized nation. But the quality does exist, just at a much higher price point.
The wants and needs of women are virtually the same everywhere. Men are attracted to youth and beauty. Women seek status, wealth and stability. It is genetic. Nothing will change it. Get used to it. My status in Mexico is 10 times what it is in the US. I have money, education and citizenship, all major draws. Most of the differences I see dating foreign women revolve around these assets. And it is no different in the US. Only that my relative status is lower here.
But please don't confuse a wife/girlfriend relationship with a pro. They are very different things. You don't need to choose one or the other. Most happy guys I know have both. A wife and kids, and the occasional fling on the side or the company of pros during a business trip. But thinking that life in Mexico or Panama is the way to go just because booze and broads are cheaper is an illusion. Being in your 40's or 50's and still chasing 18 yo strippers or SW's gets old VERY quickly. And trying to earn a decent living in Mexico or S America is tough. Much better to earn it here and spend it there.
The most disturbing aspect of this thread is the idea that instead of increasing your status here - through education, manners, a career, money or inter-personal skills - we should DECREASE the status of American women. If only they weren't so educated and made so much money your life would somehow be better. If only they didn't have food, legal rights or wear shoes it would allow more desperate women to sell you their asses at a cheap price. Or that we are somehow "spoiling" our women by treating them as equals, both in relationships and under the law. Please . . .
Peace, -P
Great discussion guys!
I feel like I’m back in Russia.
If everybody in regular life talk to each other like you guys, life in North America would be much easier.
I just I do not understand why is hell they didn’t give me Senior Member yet.
I’ve already made 10 posts
>Posted by Prokofieve
>
>The most disturbing aspect of this thread is the idea that >instead of
>increasing your status here - through education, manners, a >career,
>inter-personal skills - we should DECREASE
>the status of American women.
Sorry, I am think differently.
I am afraid the above idea is most disturbing idea. If instead of restoring natural balance we are going to follow this advice and increasing our status through education, manners, a career, inter-personal skills, we will just increase our competition among our self. Then the men started compete for pussy more and become even more isolated.
It is like competing for the job during low market. Number of jobs (pussies) still will be limited. Women will just become even more snobby and rise their
acceptance of men to the absurd level. I believe, our goal should be improving situation on the market and have more pussy available for everybody like in all others countries.
Do not forget, American man already most perfect man in the world.
Nobody sacrifices himself like American Man. Not many men in the world work as hard as American man to please his greedy American women. Nobody reject his own friends, reject own interests and do other stupid things when he become married
And result - American Men are treated worst in the world by women
Nobody In Europe, nobody in Asia, nobody in Latin America or in Africa treated so badly like American man
It is simply not fare. We are not the slaves!
We are not deserved such f**ing treatment!
Your advice just will increase stress and lead to even bigger depression and suicide rate among men.
We MUST restore natural balance. It is ONLY ONE WAY to go. There is simply no other way (except running away from this country)
>Posted by Prokofieve
>
>If only they didn't have food, legal rights or wear shoes it would >allow more desperate women to sell you their asses at a cheap >price. Or that we are somehow "spoiling" our women by >treating them as equals, both in relationships and under the >law. Please
Problem that in North America women is treated better than man, not equals.
I worked here in the lot of places where they keep women just because they are women not because they are doing good job. My friend paid alimony to his ex wife already one year after she married another guy. You can find all kind of stupidity everywhere in North America which works against the men.
I think Alex made the great post.
His post not perfect but main idea is excellent.
Instead of criticize him we should improve his ideas and use it in our common interests.
Wanderer1000
02-20-03, 06:54
Lenin -
You had previously mentioned that your experiences with Brazilian and Cuban women were quite good. In contrast to your negative comments about American women and American(ized) Russian women, what makes these Latin women different?
Darkseid has mentioned his past experience with a Latin woman (that became his fiancee) that came to the States and then became a disaster after hanging out with a feminist for awhile. I think your experience with the Brazilian woman that salvaged your self-esteem was here in N. America. What are the differences, if any, that you see between Latin and Russian women.
I will be going to Buenos Aires in about six weeks and probably Brazil in less than four months. I've appreciated your insightful posts on Russian women - I'd be interested in some of your compare/contrast impressions with your Latin women experiences. Thanks.
DH, very sad stories,
My cousin sister committed suicide because of the conflict with her husband.
DH, joe_zop, virgin , absolutely agree that the PUSSY is the answer to depression.
I myself studied psychiatry to simulate depression in order avoid serving in Soviet Army. It was so scary to find some symptoms what I have learned, inside myself,
after I break up with girlfriend. I did know how to deal with it. It took from me half year to recover.
Last year when I break up I didn’t mess around in Canada. I just went straight to the Cuba and found new GF.
My depression just disappeared after first few f*cks.
I want to add something else to suicide discussion.
I notice something wrong about American culture right away when I came here. When I ask somebody how you are? Usually answer is “Fine!” or “Great!” and I see stupid optimistic smile. It is like everybody around you happy and has no problems. In Russia it would be insult to answer this way.
In Russia it would mean that the respondent is hiding his feeling behind politeness. In Russia in most cases you suppose to say “so-so” and to give small hint about the problem what you have because everybody have problems.
It looks like American culture right from foundation have emotional communication flaw. It forces you to cut emotional communication with others people right in the beginning of the meeting. From DH and darkseid posts it is clear that emotional communication here so bad what people hardly know reason why somebody commits suicide.
If somebody lives in New York City I recommend you to go to Russian restaurant. Don’t hide your feeling. Just tell them, for example, that you are fed up with American women and you are not going to believe have many Russian friends you going to make just in one hour.
Jak,
I had Brazilian women from upper middle class so she had more comfort life In Brazil when here. She just did like a lot of things here. But I notice that her friends who are from lower classes have ability to reject American values too. I don’t know exactly why. Probably because Brazilian culture is so unique and funny that Brazilian women become just bored of American stile of life.
Brazilian women more fun-oriented, Russian women more money-oriented.
One beautiful Brazilian women lived here with Canadian man, who was 20 years older her, for five years. She left him just because for all these years he did
absolutely nothing to help her to get legal status in order to live longer with her.
I had Cubans girls only in Cuba.
I don’t know what would happened with them if I brought them here.
I am afraid that in case of Cubans it could happen the same as with darkseid’s Cuban girlfriend.
Girls who came here from totalitarism countries get much more benefits here and they more grateful to American system.
However I had one girlfriend in Cuba who went to Germany and returned back because she didn’t like to live there.
Main difference between Latin and Russian are Latin girls more feminine and less depressive.
PurpleNGold
02-20-03, 09:38
Originally posted by darkseid
In terms of the suicide discussion, I think one cause of suicide among men tend to be that they bottle up their feelings much more than women instead of discussing it in length.
(SNIP)
It is this societal pressure that men do not communicate their depression and thus they commit suicide because they have no support or no one to turn to for help.
(SNIP)
Instead, society teaches men that we have to face our problems on our own to be "men" and that is why we don't ask for directions when we're lost.
(SNIP)
Sometimes society can be an ass and turn deaf ears on men when men ask for help. They are more likely to favor and help the women more readily than they would help the man. Society tells men to "just deal with their problems" so the depressed men carry out their suicide.
Just feel like sharing... several years ago, during a stint in the military, my first wife left me after cheating on me with a friend. She made sure to max all the credit cards before leaving, and, on my military pay, I wasn't able to meed the demands. I ended up going to see a shrink for help because I knew that I was in a major depressive state. I confessed to him that I had a plan to commit suicide. Solution? He convinced me to commit myself, voluntarily, into the psych ward. Funny thing is, that there were two types of patients housed together in this ward. Psychotics and Suicidals.
The conditions were degrading, and the medical staff were about as helpful as Nieman Marcus clerks when they know you're not buying. I learned my lesson, and quickly convinced the doctors that I was all better. Worked out my problems on my own, and read lots of material on what to look for in a suicidal person so that I'd know how to hide any indications from those around me. Now, if I was ever to get ready to take the plunge again, no one would know until it was too late.
Lesbianism is much more accepted in American society so it is okay for women to even act manly.
I don't think I agree with this. Two sexy, feminine women getting it on is one thing. But, you don't see many mainstream (or pornographic) positive depictions of hardcore bulls. I think my psychology of sexuality professor had it right when he said that the idea of two feminine women making love fascinates men because we can picture ourselves joining in. But, we have no interest in the scenario if we can't imagine ourselves being a part.
Also notice that NONE of the people here on this forum commited suicide even the most miserable ones (I won't mention any names).
If there are any lurkers here who have commited suicide, speak now or forever hold you piece. ;-)
To Prokofiev, Jak, DH, etc.,
I guess what I and perhaps many of us are ultimately looking for is that place overseas which is the ideal blend of hot and readily available SW's, warm climate, good exchange rate and an English speaking or an English friendly environment. Furthermore, we're probably talking about a specific city rather than a country.
For example, I was in Edinburgh, Scotland and the women were great and we speak the same language. However, the exchange rate was a killer and the climate is an acquired taste so I couldn't recommend it for the long term mongerer.
Nominations, opinions and thoughts???
P.S. By the way, all of this discussion about suicide is, quite frankly, rather "depressing" (pun intended). Let's discuss screwing women and not ourselves. Just a thought.
My complaint about American women is not that they have an "equal" (if not superior) footing in social status but it is their stuck up attitudes when men approach them. Even the poor women who look good give you the cold shoulder because they feel "violated" by you looking at them and taking an interest in them. In fact wealth is NO excuse for anyone to be a snob. The girl I met at Brazil comes from a wealthy family (and would still be wealthy if she came here and changed all her Real to Dollars) in brazilian standards. Yet she is the nicest wealthy girl I dated on the planet. In America, the wealthy woman would give you the cold shoulder if you don't match their status. They would roll their eyes or pull out a spray bottle of mace on you if you accost them.
Another complaint is the lack of trust and the prudity. American women make you wait for sex even if you are Brad Pitt.
>posted by Jak
>
> I'd be interested in some of your compare/contrast
> impressions (Russian women) with your Latin women >experiences.
It seems I am going to quit with one more sweet Russian Lady
even without starting anything serious with her.
Our chemistry just began I read article from Kamasutra where was written:
Woman falls in love with every handsome man she sees, and so does every man at the sight of a beautiful woman, but frequently they do not take any further steps,
owing to various considerations.
I thought it is just funny statement, nothing more.
I asked her to give her opinion just for fun. uddenly she became upset and sent me the message:
Most of men pigs and they just want to satisfy their sex needs.
She thinks these men not far from the dogs or monkeys. And after that she refused go out with me.
I was surprise she have such attitude. Well even If I would prove her what I am not the pig, it is too late I already have lost my chemistry.
It is good what I have learned about her in early stage. It seems she Americanized already.
One more plus for Latin Ladies.
Wanderer1000
02-22-03, 08:24
Lenin -
While Prokofiev makes many good points, I believe you took his argument to more solid ground.
While it is true that most/many of the men posting here use pros in foreign countries, I do not think that the comparison arguments in general about American women are necessarily flawed. Enough of us have also had many dealings with non-pro foreign women in sexual and non-sexual interactions to form our opinions. While local men generally find pros in their countries to be about as expensive as we find pros to be in America for us, I think they generally find non-pro women to be more available and with better attitudes in their countries (you gave an example of the Brazilian men in Canada - and many other foreign posters with living experience in America have stated the same). American women are "generally" more game-playing, snobbish, untrusting of men, prudish and have an advantage legally in particular to family/domestic law and workers'rights.
I am sure a large part of the attraction an American man has to a woman in a foreign country is his being perceived as "rich" by the women - and I am sure an equal perception with American women would make him more attractive here also - but many foreign men that have lived in America still share the common perception with many American men that the women here are much different (in a negative way) than the women in their native countries.
Paddy -
I think we shared some posts a little while ago on the Czech board. We happened to share the same girl from Belarus several years ago at Mila's? As for the "ideal place" for women in the world - I am hoping it might be the Black Sea coast of the Ukraine and Russia in the summer. I want to explore here in the near future. Whereas Edinburgh, Scotland may have poor weather and a not- so- great exchange rate, I think the downside on the Black Sea would be the language issue - and Russian isn't an easy language to make progress on. But I happen to think Slavic women are the most desirable women, and I think ones taste in women will definitely be a major deciding factor on how one answers the "ideal place" question. Maybe Lenin has some experience and opinions on the Black Sea scene.
Rubber Nursey
02-22-03, 09:33
Proko...I just had to say that was an awesome post. That - the fact that many of the men in this section seem to want American women to be (again) stripped of all their rights - is something that really gets my back up. They seem to want a woman who has no brains and no mind of her own, who worships the ground he walks on and does what she's told for fear of being hit upside the head!
Personally, I do not see what women having legal rights and workers rights has to do with the lack of sex anyway! Are you guys really saying that you can't go out and get laid, just in case you end up getting married, getting divorced and giving her half the house??? Is the fact that your CEO is a woman really cutting your chances of picking up a chick in a bar?
In my opinion, giving women equal rights - even if in some instances those rights now tip in the woman's favour, to the detriment of men - does not make women any more or less likely to put out! What it DOES do is let women know they don't HAVE to get married and have kids anymore. It DOESN'T tell women that they shouldn't have sex at all - in fact, I would think that women brought up in an age of self-empowerment and selfishness would be MORE likely to be out looking for casual sex.
I'm sorry, but I still think the reason your women are (apparently) so frigid, is your Government. Your Government is completely irresponsible when it comes to ALL matters sexual - be that sex education in schools, community health campaigns (HIV is a good example), condom vending machines in schools, contraceptive pills for teenaged girls...you name it, your Government refuses to deal with it properly! But at the same time, all of you are exposed to sex in the movies, the media, even in the music you listen to. Your culture tells you that you need to be attractive, desirable and sensual to function in society - but your laws tell you that sex is bad. It's no wonder your women are so f'kd up! And it's little wonder that so many of YOU have such f'kd up ideas about how women are supposed to behave!
Oh - and I blame your Government's irresponsibility on the Church.
Originally posted by RN
I'm sorry, but I still think the reason your women are (apparently) so frigid, is your Government. Your Government is completely irresponsible when it comes to ALL matters sexual - be that sex education in schools, community health campaigns (HIV is a good example), condom vending machines in schools, contraceptive pills for teenaged girls...you name it, your Government refuses to deal with it properly! But at the same time, all of you are exposed to sex in the movies, the media, even in the music you listen to. Your culture tells you that you need to be attractive, desirable and sensual to function in society - but your laws tell you that sex is bad. It's no wonder your women are so f'kd up! And it's little wonder that so many of YOU have such f'kd up ideas about how women are supposed to behave!
Oh - and I blame your Government's irresponsibility on the Church.
Yeah, Rubbie, that's pretty much it, plus the fact that both the man and the woman are working an excessive amount of hours, often combined with a draining commute. Toss in rampant obesity and you have a recipe for "The Sexless Marriage," a recent best seller I declined to read by some woman whose name I forget.
Wanderer1000
02-22-03, 20:07
RN -
I think your comments regarding our government/ religious institutions being responsible for a lot of the prudish attitudes regarding sex in this country has a lot of merit.
It also doesn't help that we have one of the most workaholic cultures in the world that drains time and energy from both men and women (whether in a married situation or not), and then of course, our famously high number of obese American women that decreases the percentage of desirable American women (that observation has been mentioned to me on numerous occasions in other countries). Okay, we also have a higher percentage of the men that are obese than in other countries (I'll toss you that bone).
I will take issue with you on the women's right aspect that you talked about in your third paragraph. You state, "I would think that women brought up in an age of self-empowerment and selfishness would be MORE likely to be out looking for casual sex." I would too. The problem with American feminism is that it comes wrapped with a lot of man-hating, man-bashing rhetoric and attitudes. Lenin's last post included an excellent example that I have too often experienced with American women. "Men are pigs, etc." Of course, women are pure and all that compared to the Neanderthal man that has kept them down throughout history, blah, blah, blah. This is the mentality we are dealing with here. So yeah, in this sense, "American feminism" does stand in the way of making women more approachable here. It contributes greatly to the "attitudes" that the men frequently gripe about here. Lenin's recent experience with his Americanized Russian woman puts it out there under the spotlight. The wisdom of the Kamasutra that has held through the generations regarding men and women as being equal in their reactions to an attractive member of the opposite sex was somehow "offensive" to this Americanized woman. Sorry to say, but this attitude is all to real.
I have to agree with RN that just because a woman is rich doesn't mean she is a snob. Rich women in other countries that I met were willing to sleep with me. It is the racist and snobbih attitudes of the American women that causes a lower batting average for men here. Women here want a SPECIFIC men_ one of the same race, tall, rich, and handsome, (and sometimes of the same religion). This is why NYC has so few interracial marriages and dating. And even if people do hook up, the Puritanical attitudes of these women make another barrier to intimacy. You then have another hurdle, the lack of trust. Then you have to be approved by her friends that she listens to more than you...etc. American women put up so many barriers that squeezing sex out of them is like squeezing water from a dry rock from a desert. Even the poor women in the USA have the same attitudes. They want the same type of perfect guy that the rich or middle class women want. I don't qualify because I am too short in height and American women also hate my nationality (with the small johnson jokes and all against Asians).
Also the laws FAVORING women over men may also cause women to walk over the men like the point that Lenin is making. I don't agree that women should not be able to hold CEO positions but the government should cut us guys a break when it comes to marriage and divorce.
Rubber Nursey
02-23-03, 19:16
Darkseid -- I didn't actually say that rich people aren't snobs. As a matter of fact, most rich people I've ever met HAVE been snobs. I think the fact that rich women won't date you is a different situation entirely. It doesn't matter what you look like or what nationality you are - there is still a very clearly defined class system in most societies. As a penniless single mother, rich men don't give me the time of day. Neither do rich women. (A hilarious side note to that, is that the only time I was ever treated with respect by rich people, was as a hooker! We're all equals when we're butt naked and panting. LOL) Rich people have their own dating issues they have to deal with - in particular, the prospect of gold-diggers. If you're not rich as well, then there is a chance you may be a leech. I wouldn't be too concerned about rich girls giving you the flick.
"Women here want a SPECIFIC men_ one of the same race, tall, rich, and handsome, (and sometimes of the same religion)."
So are you telling me that men don't demand the same things? That men will sleep with anything that has two legs and a heartbeat? That's so not true. Men are fussy too. And I believe that both men and women have the right to be. It's one thing to want free and accessible sex for all - it's another to expect us all to sleep with people that we are not attracted to.
I only have one 'rule' as far as attraction goes (and you're not going to like this one very much!) I will not date short men. Why? Because in heels I am nearly 6 foot tall, and walking around with a short man makes me feel like Big Bird. BUT, I also know of many short men who would never date ME either, because I would make them feel like a gnome. I don't have a problem with that. There are also men who will not date me because I am a single Mum, because I don't have big boobs, because I'm over 25, because I'm a redhead not a blonde and/or because I am not the same social status as they are. I don't have a problem with that either! Ok, so feminism may make it harder for you to APPROACH women...but even if feminism were to disappear tomorrow, there would still be many women who are not attracted to you for one reason or another.
>So are you telling me that men don't demand the same things? That men will sleep with anything that has two legs and a heartbeat? That's so not true. Men are fussy too.
Sleeping with anything that has two legs and a heartbeat and being fussy are not necessarily connected concepts, and they don't necessarily connect to each other in a timely fashion. :D Particularly for men. When the little head starts yapping, which can hapen before there's anyone or anything in the vicinity to yap to, sometimes it drowns out everything else.
I agree that most people have a "type" they are interested in, one way or another. Sometimes it's just how we're wired and how the chemicals work. Can't take it all too personally, as by and large it has nothing to do with you as a person -- a concept that should find its way someday into American feminism's understanding of men, as well.
Rubber Nursey
02-23-03, 20:23
Hey -- that sort of behaviour is not confined to to the male of the species. I have woken up to some real doozies in my time!! It's amazing how different a person looks in a dark nightclub when you're drunk and horny! LOL
Originally posted by RN
That men will sleep with anything that has two legs and a heartbeat? That's so not true. Men are fussy too.
Well, I am not fussy but I do have one additional requirement beyond what you mention. Any guesses what it is? Hint: Change one letter in one of the words in my first sentence.
Rubber Nursey
02-23-03, 20:48
Well I'm guessing it's either 'hot' or 'hussy' or 'pussy'...coz I'm presuming it probably wouldn't be bug, hate or shat. (Then again...it could be 'sell'. Or perhaps sell AND pussy? heh heh)
. . . A lot of talk about social class and wealth . . .
Question:
Would you prefer to date a rich woman (or man) or a poor woman, all things being EQUAL? That's an easy one for me. I'd rather have more money than less. Money is not everything but it does represent freedom . . . to do as you like, when you like and where you like.
And for a woman this is a MUCH stronger desire than for the male. Status and wealth is probably the #1 turn-on for most women older than about 22. It is genetic - to care for her offspring- and exists in every culture over 1000's of years as well as in the animal world. No sense bbitching about it because it is NOT going to change. But I have resented this fact for much of my life. I always wanted a woman to love me - not my job, or my education or my bank account. And at times I often misrepresented myself in clubs or discos, saying I worked at a gas station pumping gas. Stupid idea!!! Today I'm a bit older and wiser. . . and none of this stuff bothers me. I realize that the guy bragging about his job or car may be an asshole but with women it often is effective-unfortunately.
But the attraction is not simply a gold-diggers love of financial freedom. It is a search for stability, judgement, leadership . . . People with money and good jobs are usually better educated, make better decisons, and are more dependable, all very important qualities. All these things run together and wind up being more important than how you look or how big your dick is.
Lenin: Comrade, I don't think things like education, manners or a good job is something you or I should do JUST to attract women. You do it for yourself . . . but in the process women will take notice and things will improve dramatically. And I don't buy your argument about it being more competion for a limited supply of pussy. The supply is not very limited. And most women have a minimum standard, below which you will get nothing. She would prefer to stay home alone with a vibrator.
Dick Head: You often talk about about not wanting to work, of wanting to earn a minimum amount, just enough for booze, dope and hookers. That attitude will NOT make you a chick magnet! And whether you tell them or not - and a hope you do not - women can smell that a mile away. And it won't matter WHERE you live, no woman anywhere is looking for that magic combination.
Peace, -P
PK, that is bullshit. I never said I didn't want to work. I have been working since I was 14 and supporting myself since I was 15. What I said was I had an opportunity to earn enough money in a few months to survive in a different country and that I didn't need much money. It was about being able to relocate, not about not wanting to work. One is not ALLOWED to work in a foreign country in most cases, at least not initially. Well, guess what? I'm going to do it. AND I will have to work VERY hard the few months I will need to be in the US in order to do it. Now stop misquoting me.
DH,
Maybe I misread some of your posts or I'm confusing you with someone else . . . but you DO describe yourself as "just a lazy Dickhead" and talk about not having much money or enough ambition for some women. Also of not having a "real job" in a long time in some of those B.A. posts. Actually, I thought from the Argentina posts that you are proud to be the wild and crazy, hard drinking, streetfighting guy(?). Whatever . . . I don't know you except though your words. And I'm not judging you one way or the other. To each his own . . .
But my comments still stand in general, whether or not they apply to you specifically. Lack of ambition, stability or money combined with alcohol/drugs and mongering will never be the ticket to a long-term relationship in any country. But then this isn't a relationship forum so who cares. Peace.
Yeah, PK, I think you just misunderstood some of what I said and it is understandable, and misread some other stuff, which is less understandable and more irritating. We in my profession refer to it as not being a "real job" as in we are doing what we do as opposed to a 9-to-5, 12 months a year gig. It doesn't mean we are not working. Think of it as similar to Don Zimmer saying he has never had a "real job," if you know who that is. I can see how you might have misunderstood. And the "lazy Dickhead" is more my approach to women and getting them as opposed to my approach to working and supporting myself. Also understandable that you might have misunderstood.
And you were probably reading OttoGraham's posts about my approach to streetwalkers, which HE misinterpreted and misquoted me about any kind of fighting (really, he didn't even MISquote me but rather leaped to a totally unsubstantiated conclusion. There is absolutely nothing in any of my BA posts that relates to fighting or violence in any way). I do NOT like to fight and seldom do but if anyone fucks with me as has happened a VERY few times in my mongering and other traveling experience, I will attempt to finish them off right quick. I have a high success ratio but have taken a very few ass kickings in the process of these very few incidencts. However, I said NOTHING in Buenos Aires about streetfighting and I responded to him about that but Jackson pulled the posts due to some trepidation on his part about a "flame war." I did not completely understand that but it is his board and a great one so fine. I got over it fast.
Wild and crazy? You be the judge. Hard drinking? Yes, but no DUIs or arrests or problems with it so far. Lack of ambition? You are probably talking about my recent post in response to VTs question about relationships. Read a little closer. That was in my youth and now I have a graduate degree and a professional license and a responsible (if thankfully not 9-to-5) job that I enjoy and am proud of. It just doesn't pay all that well and that is society's misplaced priorities rather than any lack on my part, I feel. Also, I think I have said I don't MAKE enough money for some women rather than saying I don't HAVE enough money although I am not rich by any means. Here I am less sure and if I am mistaken please feel free to produce a direct quote.
This is in fact the second time I have issues with you misquoting me as you inaccurately said that I spent 25% of my income on booze and weed when in fact the numbers I gave were 25% of a greatly reduced hypothetical income should I choose to expatriate myself in a particular way. That you just flat misread, and misquoted, and it irritated me. Now I have found a better way to expatriate myself where it will be more like 10% should I choose to pursue both my enjoyment of weed and my enjoyment of alcohol. Perhaps that is still a high number to you.
Lack of stability???? Doesn't apply to me for a few more months. Same job, same house, same everything for several years and fixing to chuck it all in frustration over politics and lifestyle isssues, with the whole American Woman thing a distant but still significant third. And yes, all those things that you mention are minuses in the eye of the average women looking for a mate (or LTR, in your terms). I am not looking for a mate, and haven't been for a while. Maybe someday I will again. I am open to it under the right circumstances as I explained but I am not "looking" for it.
So if you want to quote me, please do so directly and do not put words in my mouth. I have enough words coming out of my mouth as it is.
Peace, DH.
Please, somebody give his opinion about communication problem here in North America. It is huge problem but looks like nobody want discuss it. I repost again.
I notice something wrong about American culture right away when I came here. When I ask somebody how you are? Usually answer is “Fine!” or “Great!” and I see stupid optimistic smile. It is like everybody around you happy and has no problems. In Russia it would be insult to answer this way.
In Russia it would mean that the respondent is hiding his feeling behind politeness. In Russia in most cases you suppose to say “so-so” and to give small hint about the problem what you have because everybody have problems.
Or if you are “Fine” you at least should give short explanation why
It looks like American culture right from foundation have emotional communication flaw. It forces you to cut emotional communication with others people right in the beginning of the meeting. From DH and darkseid posts it is clear that emotional communication here so bad what people hardly know reason why somebody commits suicide.
If somebody lives in New York City I recommend you to go to Russian restaurant. Don’t hide your feeling. Just tell them, for example, that you are fed up with American women and you are not going to believe have many Russian friends you going to make just in one hour.
Another example, In other countries in dance flour they have both fast and slow music.
Here in most places music so loud that it impossible to hear each other.
And almost no slow music to invite, dance and talk with women.
It always frustrated my friends and me.
Are managers of these places assholes or what?
Do they not understand that they cut opportunity for people to find each other?
It seems that most of American so unskillful in communication that they can not create right atmosphere for that.
If men have more chances communicate with women they easier could break her barrier of stupidity.
Jak, I made small post about Black Sea in Russian/Other section
it is hard to communicate in an american nightclub. i have to shout in the girl's ear to talk to her and when i come out, i am almost deaf from the loud music. they even play the same house music imported from europe but in a european club, the music is lower or they lower the music in the bar area so you can hold a decent conversation with the girl. in these clubs in america, they think louder music is better but i think not. i had to write notes on little post-it papers to communicate even in the bar area. in fact, i also have to scream at the bartender to even order a drink! i back lenin's point of communication problems in america. also, american women tend to listen to there friends more than they do their husbands or boyfriends. this problem contributes to the high divorce rate we have in america. also certain things cannot be communicated to women from men in america like the subject of sex. in europe, i find them more open to sexual discussion even between men and women. when i discuss something sexual at work, my co-workers always remind me, "careful, there's a woman in the office!". i forgot that i was not in europe anymore so i accidentally blurted out a joke relating to sex. the women in the office looked at me with disgust and offense and i had to apologize. i discussed sex with a european woman and she was more open to discussing it. i even told the same "disgusting" sex joke and she laughed. censorship and prudity in this way contributes to the lack of communication problem.
rn, i do agree with you that everyone has preferences like i don't like women above 150 lbs (i could date a transitional fat-skinny but not fat). however, my post makes the point that american women are so fussy that their requirements are more severe. it is the way they are brought up. their parents- rich or poor- tell them to look for the richest man alive who is tall and handsome. i have a steady job and living with me gives security but yet american women even the ones who are shorter than me can't overlook the fact that i am only 5'4" tall and that they are taller than me when they wear their 6" to 1' heels. sheesh!
i am not ugly but the only thing ugly about me is my height. however, when women date me, they could leave their uncomfortable 6" to 1' high heels home which they usually have to wear for taller men and wear their regular shoes which are much more comfortable for them anyway. some foreign women see this as an advantage why can't american women? the brazilian girl i met admitted she didn't like heels and liked the fact that she can wear her regular more comfortable shoes around me. some american women are only 5'3" anyway yet they wear 1' heels because their boyfriends are 6' tall. a lot of women complain of the discomfort of high heels. also if they are being chased by dogs or a [CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126), women can't run fast in them. maybe women wear these heels because men might have the same height prejudice as women but would date them with only the condition that they wear these things. i personally don't like women wearing heels because a woman my height in heels would make me seem like a dwarf so heels are a threat to me.
Lenin, you're right that Americans have a veneer of social politeness that acts to distance us from each other. I think it also acts as a way to not have direct conflict or disagreement. I've posted in other areas my surprise when I first started travelling overseas and would murmur polite Americanism's like "in a while" to try to blow someone off, and they would take it literally as a promise and expect me to come over. We do it so often and so naturally that we don't even realize it, and it's nothing anyone learns with specific intent, as it's just part ofthe culture, in the same way in many countries direct confrontation in conversation is unthinkable. The American approach is not like, say, the Asian one of not saying anything to avoid upsetting someone, it's instead to push the issue away. Better? Worse? Who knows.
I do know that I've been with many Americans overseas who find it overwhelming to deal with direct response on such a regular basis, because they're not used to it. If you tell a vendor "no" here that's generally the end of the issue, whereas in other countries that's an opening volley, and an invitation for them to question the way you're living your life and your values because you don't choose to buy from them. That might be direct communication, but it's an intrusive pain in the ass that has nothing to do with exchange of emotional information and everything to do with getting money out of someone's pocket. The so-called "open communication" I see in many countries is simply a different social approach -- not really emotional communication on any deeper level, but a particular way of establishing safe emotional ground on which to comfortably lie to and misunderstand each other.
There's lots of emotional communication going on here, it simply happens in different ways than it does in other places, as is typical country by country. Because we don't do it the same way Russians do doesn't necessarily mean anything -- America's hardly the only place where it's unclear why someone commits suicide, and is it somehow better that in another country everyone is clear why someone put a bullet in their brain, where here we're surprised and without explanation? Shouldn't I be questioning true depth and usefulness of the "emotional communication" of the other place, if they know someone's suicidal but do nothing to help or make anything change? Given that the general rate isn't significantly higher than many other places I don't know what kind of conclusion you're drawing here anyway. Dead is dead -- with or without warning or a note.
And if you want a place with slower and quieter music, get out of the discos and go to, say, a jazz club -- jazz is, after all, an American invention, and it's plenty quiet enough to meet and talk to women. Loud places are popular because rejection communicated at the top of someone's lungs still gets drowned out by the background. And the managers of these places are not necessarily assholes -- they are delivering what people want and pay to come in and get.
JZ . . .
I love jazz and have gone to jazz clubs throughout the world. But the odds of finding someone there is VERY low. A great place to take a date, but a terrible place to find a date.
The discos are for non-verbal communication . . . namely dancing and little more. But dancing is a time-honored mating ritual practiced virtually everywhere. I'm a slow learner and avoided dance clubs for many years - another stupid mistake . . .
Meet her at a disco and take her to a jazz club.
Rubber Nursey
02-24-03, 17:59
Crowded discos are an excellent way to initiate body contact. Lead her towards the bar - let her get pushed against you by the crush of thirsty patrons. Lead her to the dance floor - push up against her to avoid the flailing arms of the guy who is under the mistaken impression that the E he just took, gave him the talents of Michael Jackson. Who needs conversation? You can talk over breakfast! ;)
Darkseid -- I am 5'9" tall. Even without heels, I am taller than quite a few men that I know. Women don't wear heels to be the same height as their boyfriends - they wear them because they make our legs look 10 feet long and that makes us feel damn sexy.
Honey, your height seems to be a terribly big concern to you. I totally understand that - I am not 'blessed' in the boob department and grew up constantly being compared to my three overly busty best friends, so I really can empathise - but you have to realise that your height is not WHO YOU ARE. Could it be your insecurities that are holding you back with women? Do you talk yourself into believing they are going to reject you, before they actually do? I get the feeling that you are probably very hard on yourself - and low self confidence (or self pity) in a man, is much more of a turn-off to women than height is. I think you need to think some more about what you have to offer, rather than all the things you feel you are lacking. Stop thinking about what women are doing wrong, and focus on what YOU are doing RIGHT. You can't change the fact that you're 5'4", any more than I can change the fact that I'm nearly 30. We just have to deal with it. Try and focus on the good stuff babe, before all this height stuff does your head in. :)
RN, you are right in that my insecurity is my lack of height and that is why I hate when women wear high heels. Where some guys have a fetish for heels, I've always had a fear of them because of the height issue. My lack of height has always been a disadvantage when trying to meet any American women (tall or short) or taller European women. South American women don't seem to mind, even the taller ones. Asian women are shorter than me anyway so my lack of height doesn't threaten me in that department. If a woman I date wants to wear high heels however, I won't stop them from doing so but it would make them look taller than me in public and height is a BIG issue here in America. Heads turn when they see a shorter guy with a taller woman. In other countries where people are more open minded, short guys with tall women is accepted.
While I have read all the usual studies saying that each inch of height adds X thousands of dollars to a man's earnings and that the probability of becoming President of the United States, CEO of a major corporation, etc. increases by X % with each inch of height, I don't think it is as big an issue as Darkseid thinks it is. In particular, I don't think "heads turn on the street" when a shorter guy and a taller woman walk down the street together. I am 5'7", well below average height for a man in this country and I have dated many taller women. Although, I will say that women in this part of the country hardly ever wear high heels as they tend to dress for comfort and not for style (which has its own issues such as the baggy sweatsuit phenomenon). And it is a pain in the ass walking with women in Latin America because you have to walk so slowly because of their ridiculous shoes.
Darkseid, it is mind over matter. If you don't mind, it won't matter. Do what I do and tell 'em you're a lot taller lying down.
Darkseid -- the trick is to wallow in and be happy that heads turn. Heads turn for a million reasons, so you're better off putting your own positive spin on things. When I'm in Asia, heads turn because of my height compared to everyone else, and I'm a foot-plus shorter than Yao Ming (not to mention not as good-looking or talented!) Heads turn in other places because I shave my head. Heads turn if I'm walking with a woman a foot shorter than me. Let heads turn, and don't worry so much about what people think.
I'd rather be short than a million other possibilities -- dumb as a post, genetically damaged, ugly as sin, blessed with truly atrocious fashion sense, body odor, or lack of humor, etc. You've already said you're good-looking, in fantastic shape, etc., so why not focus on and be proud of that? You don't need to be everyone's cup of tea -- just your own. I agree completely with RN that true confidence and self-comfort matter more than anything else in people finding you attractive.
I find my height and size can be useful for commanding a room or a table, but personal presence goes a lot further.
And if telling 'em you're taller lying down doesn't work, try telling 'em you want to go up on them.
As a guy who is 6' 4" I find this discussion about height to be a bit amazing to say the least.
First of all, from your posts it appears that most people believe height to be something desireable and advantageous. In actuality, it's NOT really important or desireable - at least from my perspective. I often feel like a giraffe at social functions and particularly on a dance floor (despite my Soul Train moves! - just kidding). I also have size 13 shoes and have taken a lot of ribbing in my lifetime about my big feet. I could go on and on about related stuff.
More importantly, in America height means little or nothing to American women. It doesn't matter how tall or good looking you are, you still get their snotty, defensive, aloof B.S. I have friends taller and better looking than I am and when we're amongst American women, we get the EXACT same treatment as guys who are shorter. So, Darkseid, I'd totally dismiss the height issue because in this country at least, it's truly a non-issue when it comes to making it with American chicks. As I've said before, we ALL get treated like sh*t. Honestly Darkseid, I'm not sure what they're looking for but I honestly don't care anymore - which is quite liberating.
Well, I tell you I would rather be 5'7" than 6'4" when I fly to Asia or South America (or anywhere, really) but on the other hand I had a hell of an outside shot so if I were 6'4" I would have gotten a basketball scholarship and I wouldn't still be paying off student loans. Actually I still have a hell of an outside shot but I can't get open any more and on defense I am so slow now that I basically show up tomorrow.
Dickhead,
Actually, I truly sucked at roundball. Track and tennis were the only sports I could excell at for some reason.
Getting back to the height myth. As I reflect back on my rather long life I NEVER had a woman mention that she liked me because of my height. Tall guys don't do any better than shorter guys when it comes to women here in the states. It's a total non-issue. Believe me. In fact, my best friend is 5' 6" and he scores with women like Sam Malone from Cheers.
Agree. All else equal taller is better but it is a minor factor. Now one thing to consider is that since each subsequent generation is getting taller, if you want a younger woman the situtation is just a bit worse. I don't want a real young woman and I like Asians and Latinas so since they are relatively short everything is cool. But as far as Caucasian girls go, I like taller girls for whatever reason. I just try to look them right in the tits rather than right in the eye and it usually works out.
Guys, please, live darkseid alone.
It is just embarrassing to read that everybody trying to exercise in sweet lie.
Especially you RN, you always are trying to please everybody, both men and women. It is sweet but it is not real. You have to choose on what side of the barricade you are.
If darkseid feels that his height is a problem in New York,
it probably is.
I like to read his posts because he has sharp eyes.
He know that he is saying .
I knew some Brazilian women, they crazy about Chinese. One even wants
To bring a baby from China. I don’t understand this phenomena but it is exists.
Darkseid, why you need these shitty American women?
In New York they have big Brazilian community.
By the way they are going to have carnival soon!
Well, Lenin, you may be correct that for Darkseid his height is a real and legitimate problem, but that doesn't make my opinion a "sweet lie." Choosing what side of the barricade you're on also means figuring out whether there's a difference in one side or another, or whether the barricade actually exists. I certainly understand people's obsessions with heights -- I've got two good friends who are under 5'5" and one also has a tendency to obsess over his height, but the other is simply the tallest person I know inside, even if his outside doesn't reflect that, and he manages to make most everyone else see that as well.
And no one would be posting anything about height if it wasn't an issue mentioned in practically every post Darkseid makes. That's not a slap at him, but at the idea that we should simply ignore an issue he brings up again and again.
Now that you mentioned about Carnival, I can't wait to go to Rio. I booked a trip from Feb 28 to Mar 10. At Brazil, I feel like I am at home because no one even makes jokes about my height when I'm there and my travel companion is fluent in Portugese so no jokes could fly past me. I happen to live in a part of the USA, New York, where vanity is very important and that is why height is such an issue here. It's hard to ignore the fact that I am short when people constantly make jokes about it. And those are the times it bothers me. I don't think of my problem when there are no jokes flying at me about it. Perhaps in other parts of the country, height may or may not be an issue or not as great an issue. South American women, and South American people in general, are more warm and friendly to guests of their country. I won't be back on the forum until after Mar 10 so I'll see you guys after and tell you all about my vacation. I'll be coming back with smiles. :)
Viva Rrrrrrrrio!!!
The Virgin Terr
02-25-03, 17:37
i can relate to darkseid's sensitivity about being short. fro a while in school i was the shortest or among the shortest kids in my classes, and i didn't like it. it was quite a relief when a growth spurt in my mid teens changed that, so like dickhead i'm still short but close to average. i prefer smaller women. i think it's probably natural for short men and tall women to face some discrimination when it comes to mating. but i think it can be overcome by having other attractive features.
Let's analyze Darkseid's situation a bit more. It is pretty complicated. He lives in a city where his height is an issue. Gee, what could be a possible solution? MOVE. Why doesn't he do that? Because his job is there. What could be a possible solution? QUIT and find another job (or perhaps in the reverse order). But of course he lives in his parents' apartment so that is probably the real reason. What could be a possible solution? Stop hanging on to mommy's apron strings.
The United States is a large country comprising fifty different states, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, American Somoa, the Northern Marianas, etc. I grew up back East. It sucks. I didn't like it. I moved. End of story.
Darkseid needs to read his Horace Greeley quotations.
Wanderer1000
02-26-03, 03:03
The type and level of communication in America has been a topic brought up in the past. I have found it interesting to observe through the years how American women seem to share their feelings and seek personal advice rather freely from other women, and this inclination is received well by other women. American men, however, generally seem more often than not to limit themselves to "sound-bites" with each other.
I think women in most cultures are rather similar to American women, but the men are more varied in their acceptance of spending time talking about their feelings and sharing their personal concerns. From my myopic perspective, it seems that many patriarchal cultures tend to value and are open to the idea of spending extensive time bonding and sharing their personal cares and feelings with each other. I have observed this with many ethnic groups, and Lenin has commented on the same with what I believe is a patriarchal Russian culture.
I may easily be misjudging the true level of bonding and openess among men when I observe a small group or two men talking in an Italian coffee shop, or a small group of Russian men leaning into their conversation and speaking passionately as a group of rather staid American businessmen have lunch. But I think American men are at a severe disadvantage when it comes to finding support and validation for many of their feelings and concerns.
I couldn't help but imagine what would have happened in America in a situation that Lenin had described when he was living in a dorm-like environment during his college years. He mentioned how the guys discussed a bitchy girl living among them and had her kicked out. He said to call it whatever you want - mens' mafia or whatever, but the men shared and stuck together. I don't think he would have seen something like that happening in America today.
Darkseid,
Have great time in Rio. I'm very envious as I sit here freezing in the Midwest.
I anxiously look forward to your reports from Rio. Happy hunting!
Rubber Nursey
02-26-03, 08:52
Lenin,
"Especially you RN, you always are trying to please everybody, both men and women. It is sweet but it is not real. You have to choose on what side of the barricade you are."
I'm not trying to please anyone. I call the shots as I see them. And in reality, what I said to Darkseid couldn't really be taken as trying to be 'sweet'. I told him he was insecure and that he should get over it! However, I said that because I felt that the issue causes him a lot of unnecessary pain. I don't like to see people kicking themselves to the kerb for reasons that are totally beyond their control.
And I don't feel that I should have to take 'sides' in this matter. As a woman, I should technically be in the girl's corner - but I'm not going to do that, because I understand and empathise with many of the complaints made by the men in here. I don't think this is an 'us and them' issue. I go through most of the same problems with men, as you guys do with women.
Your last post slammed American men for not communicating honestly with each other. Then when I address Darkseid's personal issues (as women are famous for doing) and all the guys start openly communicating with him about it - you accuse us of being false! I have been open and honest with everyone since the day I first posted on this board...which was about 2 years ago now, mind you! So don't come onto this board and start accusing me of being a liar. I care very much about my WSG mates- and if say that I am concerned for the emotional welfare of one of them, then I damn well mean it.
Yeah, Lenin. You make some good points but don't be slagging on Rubbie. She is way cool.
'Sides, it get way too complicated in a gender and cultural way. Is RN trying to please everyone because she's a woman? An Aussie? A sometimes sex worker? A non-blonde? Is she really trying to offend everyone but just can't pull it off? The brain simply whirls for about four minutes, declares there has been movement of a tectonic level, and needs to sleep.
Man, JZ, you been drinkin' or something?
Rubber Nursey
02-26-03, 11:04
Awww shucks. Thanks DH for the compliment, and you Joe for your...errr...support? (I can't say for sure whether or not it was a compliment, but I at least didn't get the feeling that it was an insult. ;)) And trust me, if I was TRYING to offend people - they would know about it!!
I was just joking and trying to point out that RN's take on things here shouldn't exactly be lumped into one of Lenin's statements about American culture and how American men communicate, as she misses the basic requirements on pretty much all levels.
Not drinking, DH, but probably too long a work day in this instance, at about seventeen hours straight. (The problem with working on your own and setting your own schedule is that sometimes you've got to ignore the off switch and just get things finished.)
Lennin,
Being new to this board you have to understand and accept that RN is very highly regarded here and is a type of "cult" figure to many of us. Anything which might be construed as an attack against her will generate extreme reactions toward the person who initiated it. It's just a fact of life on this board and I respectfully request that you accept this reality.
RN has been a friend and confidant to many of us for several years now and her wisdom and insights have been greatly appreciated. Personally, I think that she's rather amazing and we very badly need a female perspective on this board.
As DH said, she's way "too cool" and doesn't deserve such treatment. Thank you.
Rubber Nursey
02-26-03, 17:05
That's me, Joe - always missing the point. heh heh
And Paddy - what the hell does a girl say to something like that??!! It's kinda cool how things have changed actually. A year or so ago, I had to watch everything I said. The second the 'token girlie' stepped out of line, I was jumped on by every man on the board! It's so nice to see it working in reverse these days. Thanks babe. :)
So anyway, Lenin - if we aren't supposed to be discussing people's physical or emotional short-comings (be they real or perceived), what exactly do you suggest that these American men 'communicate' about? How stupid/fat/ugly/clingy/rude/frigid/nauseating American women are? They have done that already, and it's not getting them anywhere! Don't you think it would be more helpful to actually join together and find SOLUTIONS, instead of just whining about the problems?
Hi guys and RN, my flight is leaving tomorrow night to Rio. I just want this day to be over so I can get on that flight. I also hope I don't get snowed in by the snowstorm coming up.
DH, I do have plans to leave in the next three years. I have 2 years experience in my job at New York but I need at least 5 years experience to have a much better chance of being employed elsewhere so I have to tough it out for 3 more years. I live away from my parents but my landlord jacked up the rent another 25%. I started off paying $1200 a month but now I pay $1500. I might have to move back with my parents so I can save enough money in case I don't find a job when I do relocate and I can live off the interest of my savings or use the money to start a shop. I don't want to go elsewhere penniless because that would really suck. Also, after three years of this "jail sentence" in New York, I want to move out of the USA. You mentioned that you are going to expatriate. I need advice on how to do so. I would like to move to Brazil.
Darkseid -- have a blast on your trip. And while I empathise with your desire to expatriate, don't confuse New York with the US as a whole as part of the equation. Not every place has the same level of pressures around status, looks, money, etc. Those things exist to some extent everywhere in the world, so some of it's a matter of degree and surroundings.
And RN, we'll still spank you when you're bad -- it's just that understanding that you're probably going to say, "harder, harder!" takes it to a different level :D
Dark,
Living in NYC is a jail sentence? Consider yourself lucky . . . and take advantage of all the possibilities there. No shortage of Chinese or Asian or Latino women. If I can have a short, Chinese girlfriend why can't you?? . . . What are you looking for? Unhappiness? This is what Miller2K was trying to tell you. You are surrounded by every shape, type and race of woman in this world. Yet you focus on the negative, both about yourself and about women. This attitude will turn chicks away fast . . . and you will blame it on your height or race . . . never realizing it was your lack of confidence and negative attitude that was the real problem.
You will someday move from NYC and soon realize, "What the fuck was I thinking?" You are in a GREAT place now. Unbelievable options and every type of woman imaginable. Obviously, it is easier for an Asian guy to date Asian women . . . for a short guy to date shorter women . . . for a middle class guy to date middle class women. Maybe you are only attracted to women who will reject you? If so, try to get over it. But where you live, is NOT the problem. Trust me. - P
Darkseid, I thought you posted that you lived in your parents' apartment building. Maybe I misunderstood what you said. If that is the case I apologize, especially since I have been complaining about being misquoted.
On the ex-pat thing, I did suggest to Jackson that we start a topic on that. I am fortunate enough to have rigged things up where I can do all my work in a compressed time frame and I know that is hard to do. I guess a tax accountant could probably do the same thing, or someone else with a seasonal job. My job isn't really seasonal per se; I am just going to kill myself for a few months a year so I can pull this off. And, I have been warned that if my performance suffers, permission will be revoked. So, it isn't really full expatriation; I couldn't find a way to make the money work for that right now without being too poor to enjoy myself fully. My profession is one that would be difficult to do in another country even if I could legally work.
PK, I did find a BA post where I said, "I could make a lot more money if I weren't a lazy, pussy obsessed Dickhead." That just means I could not take the corporate world and all the long hours and stress that went with it, not that I want to work as little as possible. But, certainly taken at face value it could definitely give that impression. Basically I opted out of the workaholic lifestyle that most of the people in my profession have embraced and now I have been out of the loop for so long it would be hard for me to get hired at another high-powered job. But I have been working pretty much full-time and when I haven't its been due to not enough work available. My new, compressed job will be the equivalent of 3/4 of a full-time job jammed into 4 or 5 months so that should certainly keep me out of trouble.
Also I want to stress that my decision has more to do with politics and lifestyle issues than it does with American women, although that is certainly a third factor.
I am actually halfway moving back to my parent's apartment since the property tax hike that the stupid mayor of NYC Micheal Bloomberg passed on the landlords since last year. My lease for that apartment is not up until April so I am still living there and paying the $1500 a month. Just last year the rent was $1200 per month. My parents just had a tenant that just moved away so I have been moving my stuff into that apartment. Some of my stuff is in the apartment in my parent's place and some is in the place I live now. Rent in NYC is ridiculous especially since this property tax hike which NO one got a chance to vote for. I will completely be moved in on April just to save money to expatriate. My parents is going to charge me $200 a month to cover maintenance cost and nothing for rent. That will cut $1300 a month for my expatriation fund.
Also, we should start an expatriation forum on this board. This will discuss finding jobs or starting buinesses there, living expenses, etc.
PK, after I leave NYC, I will have no regrets. Not only would I not miss it, I would like change because this city has gotten too old on me anyway. Even the very fact that I am sick and tired of living here all my life would drive me away. And as for available women, there is much less here than you think. In fact when I go to clubs, it is like a sausage factory and when I do find a woman I like, I have to fight over her with other guys. Also, the number of available man ads outnumber the available women ads in the love personals. So women in NYC have become more finicky in this environment. This is why I travel a lot and call NYC a "jail sentence" because I know it is hopeless here in NYC and it takes a lot of luck to meet a woman here. I was wrong about equating NYC with the rest of the USA. Hey, I hooked up in Las Vegas and if I would have spent more time in Ohio, I could have hooked up there. But I have many other reasons besides the women to expatriate from America. Among those reasons is the fact that we are the first on everyone's shit list. September 11 scared the living daylights out of me. What if the terrorists want to dirty bomb NYC? I would have to leave a lot earlier than I anticipated then.
On the subject of expatriation, I had some interesting conversations in Buenos Aires last month. I met a guy in the hotel bar and was talking with him in Spanish. All of a sudden another guy walked in and they began speaking perfect English. Turns out the first guy was an Hispanic American, both parents born outside the US but moved there at an early age, and neither retained fluency in Spanish. Nor did this guy grow up learning much Spanish. He got a hair up his ass (due, he said, to dissatisfaction with American women) and decided to move to Ecuador (where one of his parents was born) to teach English. I said I had often thought about that but didn't think my Spanish was quite good enough. He proceeded to tell me about how he spoke hardly any Spanish when he started out and that in his opinion it wasn't necessary and even undesirable. I am not sure I agree with him, but it was an interesting point of view. He was on his honeymoon with his Ecuadorean wife and she was hot, hot, hot.
Then I talked to a bilingual Argentinian guy who runs an English school down there. He said his business has actually gotten better since the economy tanked down there. His explanation was that families see English training as a good investment in their kids as a way to differentiate them in a weak job market.
So giving English lessons may be an idea for earning money as an ex-pat, even for those whose second language isn't all that strong. I may take a stab at it.
Hell, Darkseid, your $1300 a month savings is like close to the average per capita income in Brazil so you should be down there in no time.
PS, I think our pal Miller2k gives English lessons in Mexico. Anyway somebody over there posted some stuff a while back about doing that.
RN you are little bit exaggerated, I didn’t accused you are liar.
Please don’t take anything personal because I am not against you.
I am against ideas that directly or indirectly hurt the men.
Probably before criticizing you I should first told you few complements
like many guys doing here, otherwise it looked rude.
My idea was that instead of looking in root of the problem you are
sometimes trying to look at the problem from such angle that
the problem become not serious.
I don’t see how it could help American men get out from this sh*t where they are now. It is a real war between men and women, war for power and money and a lot of men killed in this war. American men loosing it even without understating that is going on. We should look at all option available doesn’t matter women like this or not.
After I sow some of your posts, especially how you critiqued the Alex I realized that
You actually on women side of barricade may be even without realizing it.
Paddy, I understand what RN here "cult" figure. But I don’t think it is reason
that she cannot be criticized. Actually it is even worrisome fact because if women become "cult" figure among the men then American men have matriarchal brain.
It is mean that American men have one more problem.
RN, last you idea very interesting:
“Don't you think it would be more helpful to actually join together and find SOLUTIONS, instead of just whining about the problems?”
Actually I am trying to keep discussion in this direction.
Just what I am not understand how you a being women going to give us
ideas against women or if you will then until which limit?
It is theoretical question, again, please, don’t take anything personal.
Sorry if I cannot answer your posts soon because I am going to busy.
I’ll come back after while.
Well... darkseid certainly exudes negativity but there is one thing you have not considered: darkseid is an asian male in America.
Asian men in America are at the absolute botton of the ladder when it comes to getting women. Not their own fault, but there are other forces at work.
You mention that there are lots of women in NYC. Well what the hell good does it do him if none of them date Asian men? Asian men are the least desirable to women in the US. Not EVEN Asian women want them. Plus, it sounds like he is US raised so Asian women born overseas will probably not like him much.
When I say Asian I mean "oriental looking" (sorry that term might be offensive). Not South Asians who don't seem to suffer from the same disadvantage (I am South Asian).
Still, all of you white, black, and Hispanic men do not understand what he is going through.
And, I have a white friend in NYC who also says that the dating scene sucks ass. Golddigging bitches. "Rent or own? Rent? Next"
PurpleNGold
02-27-03, 07:14
Originally posted by Prokofiev
If I can have a short, Chinese girlfriend why can't you?? . . . What are you looking for? Unhappiness? This is what Miller2K was trying to tell you. You are surrounded by every shape, type and race of woman in this world. Yet you focus on the negative, both about yourself and about women. This attitude will turn chicks away fast . . . and you will blame it on your height or race . . . never realizing it was your lack of confidence and negative attitude that was the real problem.
Ever read the book, Make Every Girl Want You: How to Have Sex with Hot Girls (Without Even Dating Them!)? It points out, through numerous testimonials, that the difference between the 'friend' and the 'lover' is self-confidence. Not being an arrogant ass, but just being someone who is comfortable with himself and knows what he wants. I can say from personal experience (I've asked women that I was involved with) that women are much more attracted to the confidence than physical characteristics.
You will someday move from NYC and soon realize, "What the fuck was I thinking?"
I gotta disagree. I lived in NY for a couple years. Nothing to do with the women, but my only thought is "What the fuck was I thinking when I moved there?" Of course, I grew up and lived in Southern California for most of my life. So, the weather and attitude shock was always an issue for me.
PurpleNGold
02-27-03, 07:31
Originally posted by Lenin
Just what I am not understand how you a being women going to give us
ideas against women or if you will then until which limit?
I'm not a long standing member, so I don't have a history with RN. But, from what I've read of her posts, they are thoughtful and contain good info/ideas. Good info and ideas should always be welcome, regardless the gender of origin. Maybe you're too caught up with the 'war'?. Is it so hard to believe that a woman might want to share her opinions and ideas with men simply because she feels it might do some good?
Purple,
The weather and life-style are personal tastes. But the number and variety of women there can't be denied. I have spent a lot of time in both LA and NYC and I much prefer the NYC vibe. To me the LA style woman is as phoney as a $3 bill. And I hate the car culture thing. But it depends on your taste. And if you can't find someone in EITHER place, you're not trying very hard.
DH,
First you complain that I misquote you, then you spend time finding posts to prove me right!!!
Having studied Spanish and taught English both here in the US and briefly in Mexico I can tell you it's a good way to meet people (women) but a shitty way to make a buck. In Mexico you won't even make the minimum wage (US). I need to work 10 to 15 hours there to equal what I can do here in 1 hour. Better to save up what you need and go without trying to work. A few hours wouldn't be bad, but some schools want 20 to 40 hours/ week and often with split shifts. Despite needing some kind of work permit, many schools just do it or like Miller you can free lance. The rules are seldom enforced unless you [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) someone off. But my advice remains . . . earn it here and spend it there . . . God Bless America.
PurpleNGold
02-27-03, 08:16
Prokofiev,
I was just being a smart ass about why not to like NY.
I definitely agree that there was an abundance of women there--all sizes, shapes and ethnicities. Hell, there're probably more available women in a square mile of NY or L.A than there are people in both of the Dakotas :-)
Yes, I forget what the American/Ecuadorean guy said he was making, like $600 a month for full-time. The Argentinean guy said he paid his guys 15-20 pesos an hour. But, he said there was no minimum commitment. He basically brokers tutors. He has a place where he does some group stuff at night and then he sends tutors to people's homes. It wouldn't sustain someone; it would only supplement their income.
Make it here, spend it there, but make a little there too. Fuck George Bush.
DH,
For some perspective, here in the US my school pays English teachers $10/hr. No benefits, no sick leave no paid vacation. You work 4 hours/day= 20 hours/wk= $200/wk for about 48 weeks. So you make between $9 and $10k/year less tax and SS. It's only part-time but it eats up 5-6 hours each day.
In Guadalajara, I have a friend who works full-time. The school pays her $5/hr for 8hr/day but she has to spend almost 10 hours each day at school. Siesta/lunch is 2 hours+. So it works out to ALL day 8am-8pm for about 10k/year. And it would not be that easy to get a job like that. Typical teacher wage in Mexico is $4-$6/hour. No time for women. No time for drinking. No vale la pena.
But not speaking perfect Spanish makes no difference. They want the classes 100% English . . . and the biggest problem is pronunciation, so native English teachers are important.
This guy in BA sends you to people's houses for 2 hour sessions. He pays cab fare but not travel time. I think he said the evening classes were 2 hours as well. He said he could get the paper work to make working down there legal, "if that matters to you," although I am not sure how (bribe, most likely?). That Guadalajara stuff sounds bad until you realize most people in Mexico work 6 ten hour days. Teaching is easier than working. Trust me. $5/hr in Mexico is not bad but $5 an hour in Argentina right now is better.
The 100% English thing is OK for teaching beginning levels. One of the problems I am having in getting my Spanish past the B level is finding a teacher who can speak good enough English to teach nuances, especially as far as answering questions. I would assume the same holds true for Spanish speakers trying to perfect their English. I wonder if someone who is truly fluent in both might be able to make a LITTLE bit more in some cases, especially privately. But 15-20 Arg. pesos an hour translated into what we know is important to me is about 12 quarts of Brahma so that is not that much of a waste of time. But like I said, it should be looked at as "extra" money.
I'm gonna spend three weeks, four hours a day, five days a week studying Spanish in Puerto Vallarta before I go back to BA this summer. After six more weeks there, I'm gonna take another 300 level college Spanish grammar course in the US in the fall. Hopefully that'll get me to B+/A- level. But I did a phone interview Monday with the department head at Universidad San Francisco de Quito and he seems to think my Spanish is good enough right now to teach business English in Spanish. I disagree but he is the one doing the hiring. Probably not too many native English speakers with master's degrees in business are willing to go down there. Even at $1,000 a month which is what he is offering, I could monger in Quito and save a few hundred a month. It's not bust ass hours, either. They have an agreement with some apartment buildings down there: $150 a month for a one bedroom and $200 for a two bedroom. That is a whole thing with a work visa, and since the work visa is six months and the semester is only four months, it gives a little flexibility. They let you rent the apartment for the whole six months.
Rubber Nursey
02-27-03, 09:53
Lenin,
I have never tried to trivialise the problems that these guys have with women. I have just tried to explain to them that a) women have those problems too, and b) there's no point just sitting here whining about it, without doing something constructive. Now fair enough, lots of guys in this section have told me that I shouldn't be contributing because I'm neither a man, nor an American woman. But what happened when I stopped posting? There was just a never-ending cycle of "women are fat, women want rich men, women don't understand us" bullshit going on. Personally I get the feeling that I should be here, just to generate proper debate! I don't care if everyone's opinion is the opposite to mine - at least it turns the b*tch session into a discussion.
What you said in your post - about the "war" between men and women (in which men are being killed, no less), that men who agree with me have a "matriachal brain" and that the way I critiqued Alex puts me on the "woman's side of the barricade" - says a hell of a lot about why you have no success with American women. I am not the enemy here. I love men and would dearly love to see men and women relating to each other properly - for my sake as well as yours. What you are talking about only drives a bigger wedge between the sexes. What we need to do is find common ground. Now maybe I'm not American, but I AM a woman. I am also a much more tolerant woman that the ones you are talking about. So if your suggestions do not fly with ME, they are unlikely to fly with American women, are they?
I am not going to give you "ideas against women". I believe you need to learn to work WITH women, just as American women obviously need to learn to work with you. And you can feel free to criticise me any time you want. I don't need adoration and compliments. But if you ARE going to criticise me - make sure it's because I said something stupid, NOT just because I'm a woman.
PurpleNGold
02-28-03, 03:44
Originally posted by RN
Proko...I just had to say that was an awesome post. That - the fact that many of the men in this section seem to want American women to be (again) stripped of all their rights - is something that really gets my back up. They seem to want a woman who has no brains and no mind of her own, who worships the ground he walks on and does what she's told for fear of being hit upside the head!
Again, speaking for myself, my partner absolutely has to have brains and a mind of her own. Of course, I want her to worship the ground I walk on. When I fall for a woman, I put her on a pedestal and treat her like a goddess. Should she do any less if she's in love with me?
I broke up with a Japanese girl once because she was too dependent. In the last e-mail she ever sent, she asked me to get back with her by saying, "I promise to be independent for you". I don't think she ever got the point of independence. Forget trying to explain interdependence.
Personally, I do not see what women having legal rights and workers rights has to do with the lack of sex anyway! Are you guys really saying that you can't go out and get laid, just in case you end up getting married, getting divorced and giving her half the house??? Is the fact that your CEO is a woman really cutting your chances of picking up a chick in a bar?
Actually, it does have an effect. Unfortunately, the rights have translated into ridiculous and vicious 'sexual harassment' claims. I find it difficult to get laid in the work place because, telling a woman that she looks good in her mini-skirt and low cut blouse might end up with me getting fired, sued into bankruptcy and publicly labeled as a miscreant.
in fact, I would think that women brought up in an age of self-empowerment and selfishness would be MORE likely to be out looking for casual sex.
Yep. I tend to find casual sex much more easily amongst college educated women with a lot of self-confidence than with high school drop-outs who are endoctrinated in some restrictive religion. Maybe that's just because of my circle of acquaintances though.
Oh - and I blame your Government's irresponsibility on the Church.
Religion has been fucking up the world for a long time. I don't think that it's just our government that sufferes :-)
Wanderer1000
03-01-03, 01:27
Lenin -
I've enjoyed many of your posts. As a foreign man that grew up in a patriarchal culture with a very different economic situation, and has spent the last ten years experiencing the North American culture, I think you have a unique perspective to share with the forum. I think your positions and opinions often conflict with some basic politically correct assumptions that many Western females and males accept.
Some of your opening commments on this forum had to do with the "unbalance" you see in the North American culture regarding the interaction between males and females. When I read some of the reactions from other posters to you (particularly RN), it seems that the fundamental issue is not being addressed for you.
The concept of "equality" in the North American culture seems to be what you have an issue with. You seem to see it as being responsible for many of the problems between men and women on this northern part of the continent, and also for much of the unhappiness in male/female relations.
I know there are many females in the professions in Russia, and if I am not wrong, I believe the majority of doctors are female. This "balance" regarding personal relations between the sexes that seems to exist much more in Russia than N. America apparently does not stand in the way of females being able to pursue equality in the workplace.
Please let me know of your opinion on my perceptions.
Rules for Women
We always hear "the rules" from the female side. Now here are the rules from the male side. These are our rules! Please note ... these are all numbered "1" ON PURPOSE!
1. Learn to work the toilet seat. You're a big girl. If it's up, put it down. We need it up, you need it down. You don't hear us bitching about you leaving it down.
1. Birthdays, Valentines, and Anniversaries are not quests to see if we can find the perfect present yet again!
1. Sometimes we are not thinking about you. Live with it.
1. Sunday = sports. It's like the full moon or the changing of the tides. Let it be.
1. Don't cut your hair. Ever. Long hair is always more attractive than short hair. One of the big reasons guys fear getting married is that married women always cut their hair, and by then you're stuck with her.
1 . Shopping is NOT a sport. And no, we are never going to think of it that way.
1. Crying is blackmail.
1. Ask for what you want. Let us be clear on this one: Subtle hints do not work! Strong hints do not work! Obvious hints do not work! Just say it!
1. We don't remember dates. Mark birthdays and anniversaries on a calendar. Remind us frequently beforehand.
1. Most guys own three pairs of shoes - tops. What makes you think we'd be any good at choosing which pair, out of thirty, would look good with your dress?
1. Yes and No are perfectly acceptable answers to almost every question.
1. Come to us with a problem only if you want help solving it. That's what we do. Sympathy is what your girlfriends are for.
1. A headache that lasts for 17 months is a problem. See a doctor.
1. Check your oil! Please.
1. Anything we said 6 months ago is inadmissible in an argument. In fact, all comments become null and void after 7 days.
1. If you won't dress like the Victoria's Secret girls, don't expect us to act like soap opera guys.
1. If you think you're fat, you probably are. Don't ask us. We refuse answer.
1. If something we said can be interpreted two ways, and one of the ways makes you sad or angry, we meant the other one.
1. Let us ogle. We are going to look anyway; it's genetic.
1. You can either ask us to do something or tell us how you want it done. Not both. If you already know best how to do it, just do it yourself.
1. Whenever possible, please say whatever you have to say during commercials.
1. Christopher Columbus did not need directions, and neither do we.
1. The relationship is never going to be like it was the first two months we were going out. Get over it. And quit whining to your girlfriends.
1. ALL men see in only 16 colors, like Windows default settings. Peach, for example, is a fruit, not a color. Pumpkin is also a fruit. We have no idea what mauve is.
1. If it itches, it will be scratched. We do that.
1. We are not mind readers and we never will be. Our lack of mind-reading ability is not proof of how little we care about you.
1. If we ask what is wrong and you say "nothing," we will act like nothing's wrong. We know you are lying, but it is just not worth the hassle.
1. If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
1. When we have to go somewhere, absolutely anything you wear is fine. Really.
1. Don't ask us what we're thinking about unless you are prepared to discuss such topics as navel lint, the shotgun formation, or monster trucks.
1. You have enough clothes.
1. You have too many shoes.
1. Foreign films are best left to foreigners. (Unless it's Bruce Lee or some war flick where it doesn't really matter what the hell they're saying anyway.)
1. It is neither in your best interest or ours to take the quiz together. No, it doesn't matter which quiz.
1. BEER is as exciting for us as handbags are for you.
1. I am in shape. ROUND is a shape.
1. Thank you for reading this; Yes, I know, I have to sleep on the couch tonight. But did you know we really don't mind that? It's like camping.
PurpleNGold
03-02-03, 22:44
That's some funny shit! I think my favorite is number 1.
Hi RN,
I'm looking for a place to emigrate when I retire this summer and have been monitoring many possible places on this board for ideas.
Basically, I'm looking for a place that is warm, English speaking, has a good exchange rate and tons of sultry SW's to keep me company. I was looking at the NY Times on Sunday and noticed that the exchange rate between the American and Aussie dollar was 1.65 in favor of the Yanks. So, I've been thinking a lot about Oz as a possibility if not for emigrating but a place to spend several months at a time. I've "read" that Perth and Northern Australia can be very warm and tropical. Is this true? You also have the right language and a super exchange rate at the current time. So far, Oz seems to meet 3 out my 4 criteria.
Now, in your opinion does Perth or any other city have enough SW's to keep a cute Yank occupied? I know that Perth isn't Rio but is there enough action there to make it worthwhile? Would you recommend any other city or area in Oz? I've read some good things about Freemantle for example. Basically, I'd really appreciate your opinions in regard to my "quest."
By the way, nice going on your political initiatives there. "Keep your on the prize" as we used to say in the 60's.
Paddy, read my past posts on this subject. Australia has one of the most restrictive immigration policies in the world. They only want young people, AND they have a limit on how many 90 day visas you can have in X period of time. I looked into both Australia and New Zealand and the conclusion I came to was dismal to say the least.
Suggest you learn Spanish. Now if you want someplace that welcomes retirees and meets all your criteria EXCEPT plenty of sultry SWs, I suggest you check out Malta. They welcome retirees. If Malta gets into the EU (I believe they are slated for the next round of expansion), you could maybe bring a mistress in from some other European country like maybe Spain, if you could afford that.
The women in Malta are very ugly (specifically, very bad skin and a lot of chubbies). Everything else there is very nice, especially the food and the weather, and it is quite cheap. Americans are a novelty there. Also, the food in Australia and New Zealand is very bland and unimaginative, in my opinion as a former professional cook. They do drive on the wrong side of the road in all three of these countries.
Great article in the Onion parody newspaper online. Sums up very well about the repression of sex and how Europe is much more cool about these things....
http://www.theonion.com/onion3908/why_cant_we_live.html
Hi Dickhead,
Thanks for the advice. I'll check your previous posts.
Bad news about the emigration, 90 day visa renewal limitations, etc. It's amazing that they would not want a Yank who is not going to take a job from anyone and just spend money within their economy. Then, again, nothing surprises me anymore.
Yes, you're right in that I should just learn Spanish and be done with it. Problem is I've always sucked at foreign languages. I'm a math, statistics type. Could you recommend any of the Spanish language home study programs? Some of them make some pretty outrageous claims in terms of how quickly one becomes fluent.
Thanks again.
Paddy
PurpleNGold
03-05-03, 07:25
Paddy,
Best way to become fluent is immersion. Get one of the Berlitz courses. Go through it. Then, go down to Mexico City, or any spanish speaking city, for a couple of months. Try your best to hang out with locals who will speak spanish to you.
I've forgotten most of my spanish due to lack of use (Too easy to speak english in TJ). But, I used to be able to hold basic conversations and get around with no problem. I had done something similar to the above, but substitute college courses and roaming up and down Baja for Berlitz and Mexico City.
Good luck.
Rubber Nursey
03-05-03, 10:03
Paddy,
As Dickhead said, you don't have a snowball's chance in Hell of emigrating to Oz. And to tell the truth, Perth doesn't really have a lot of 'action' going on. It's a pretty quiet city. Sydney is the place to be for action, probably followed by Melbourne and the Gold Coast. Fremantle is actually a part of Perth. It's the harbour that the American ships call home when in WA, so that's where it's reputation for hookers probably came from. In reality there's actually only one brothel in Freo, so the sailors go into Perth to get laid.
Oh and contrary to Dickhead's information, we do NOT drive on the wrong side of the road - YOU do!
Dick Johnson
03-05-03, 11:56
It's interesting Australia is so tight with people coming in. It's not like they don't have enough land or anything.
It must be because the benefits paid for by the Governments(citizens' taxes) are plenty.
PurpleNGold
03-05-03, 12:03
There's always Canada. Not exactly the tropics, but there are some beautiful women there. English speaking. Great skiing. And, I think the hobby's legal there.
Them fuckers won't let Americans emigrate there either. Although, they let lots of other folks in.
Rubber Nursey
03-05-03, 12:12
DJ,
Our welfare system probably does have something to do with it, but I think it's also because of our 'ageing population crisis' that the Government are currently having a cow about. Very soon, a really large proportion of our country will be over the age of 50-60, and (like in most western countries) the birthrate among young people is pretty low. They want young people who will not only work and pay taxes, but procreate.
PurpleNGold
03-05-03, 12:14
Funny. That's an argument against prostitution. If done properly, it prevents unwanted pregnancies!
Hi Guys and RN,
Thanks for the advice and direction. Maybe I should take an extended trip to Sydney and Melbourne to check them out. As you say, actually emigrating there is out of the question. Three month stays are feasible for me although as DH said, you can only get renewals so often.
P&G, thanks for the advice about Berlitz and the need for immersion. I wish I had taken Spanish like you did instead of Latin. I've always contended that Latin will come in handy in case I ever run into Julius Caeser.
Woke up to 8 inches of snow this morning and 8 degrees. This may explain part of my motivation in getting out of here to you folks. Any more ideas or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
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American Woman-GuessWho
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American woman,stay away from meeehee!!!
American woman,mama let me beehee!!
Don't come hangin' round my door
I don't wanna see your face no more
I got more impotant things to do
Than spend my time growin old with you
Now woman,stay away
American woman,listen what I say
American woman,get away from me
American woman,mama let me be
Don't come knockin' around my door
I don't wanna see your shadow no more!!!
If you guys been living in a cave you know the rest of the lyrics!
FIND THEM ELSEWHERE..AMERICAN WOMYN S U C K!!
DH, RN, etc.
Was surfing the net a found, quite to my surprise, a thing called an "Australian Retirement Visa" on several official sites. In summary, it's a 4 year visa and is renewable every two years.
You have to be 55, have a retirement income in excess of $45,000, must pass a physical (chest x-ray), cannot work more than 20 hours per week, not have criminal record, etc. You must also purchase Australian health insurance. Do any of you folks have knowledge or information on this "Retirement Visa?" I found it on about many sites and they all say about the same thing. Hmm...
Meatman,
Yes, that song was by the Guess Who from Winnipeg. From what I "read," they were touring in New York in 1969 and were really grossed out by American urban sprawl, the war in Vietnam, and American women in particular. I think that the interview was done with Burton Cummings and the actual song was written or inspired by Gary Peterson of the Guess Who.
PurpleNGold
03-06-03, 02:03
Originally posted by Paddy
P&G, thanks for the advice about Berlitz and the need for immersion. I wish I had taken Spanish like you did instead of Latin. I've always contended that Latin will come in handy in case I ever run into Julius Caeser.
LOL actually, if you've learned Latin, you'll be well on your way in Spanish, French (though why you'd want to France is beyond me) or Italian. They're all Latin based, and learning one makes learning the others much easier. You'll find the grammar and vocabulary very familiar.
But, if you do run into Julius, say "hello" for me ;)
Woke up to 8 inches of snow this morning and 8 degrees. This may explain part of my motivation in getting out of here to you folks. Any more ideas or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
Hmmmm... the Canada suggestion is probably out. But, it can be quite romantic to cuddle up with a hot little honey in front of the fireplace while you watch the snow falling outside the window.
Paddy, I do remember seeing that, now that you mention it, but I probably didn't look at it because I'm only 45. Is that $45,000 Australian, I'm assuming?
Hi Dickhead,
Too bad that you're such a young guy (just kidding). I wish I were 45 at times and then, again, I don't think that I'd want to go through the last ten years again.
Irregardless, an opportunity like the one in Australia gives a guy something to look forward to as we slug our way through our jobs and all of the craziness that we face on a daily basis.
From what I've read on the Australian WSG site, RN is correct in that Sydney, Melbourne and the Gold Coast are the hot spots for SW's.
I'll continue to explore sites in Latin America as you suggested. You know, a beautiful Latinawoman really knocks me out. Have to start learning conversational Spanish.
I am a registered nurse and, being in that profession, get to deal with a lot of women on a daily basis. It is amazing of the amount of venom these women have towards men. I guess they think that I am one of the girls (figuratively speaking) because they talked so candidly about men as if I was not there. Anyway you'll hear things a charge nurse telling her younger staff members things like "it is better to be alone than stuck with a man you think is not perfect for you", and this is from a woman who is short, a little overweight and in her middle age. I have asked her how long has it been since she had a boyfriend and she said that it has been a very long time. Well, considering her attitude, I think it'll be forever until she gets her perfect man. I hear other thing from my female colleagues, such as a woman telling her ex spouse who is visiting his kid to take the kid out right away and leave her house, even though he was just in the process of being friendly towards his ex-wife. And she verified this with me--she just didn't feel like being friendly with him. The funny thing about all of this is that some of these women flirt with me. It is somewhat ironic that they do this and at the same time talk about the way they feel about men. For you guys having fantasies of bagging a female nurse while at the hospital, forget about it. As for me, I'll stick to Latinas and Eastern Europeans.
Hi guys,
It is quiet here.
There are not much complains about American women here
Are American women improved for last couple weeks?
Paddy, For learning conversational Spanish is best Pimsleur courses.
It is much more effective than Berlitz
Full course 45 cassettes, quite expensive but you
Can find it on Internet for free.
I have same ideas, to learn Spanish and
get out from this f*king country.
Jack,
You are absolutely right
In Russia women professionally are doing
better than men. And this not destroyed the balance
between men and women.
Actually Russian women
more educated then American women and
easily beat them professionally when they
come here.
Problem in this F*king American System and
F*king American Culture. It is really horrible place
To live here for the men.
jak, enjoy one more story from american man
most that i am amazed, that this *****
could never do such things in russia.
here in us the system so rotten what the
american man is completely defenseless.
i ended up taking a european connections
tour to st petersburg
to move things along, i met oksana and we were
as much in love at that time as we were in our letters.
to cut things short, we married, lived for a year
and a half before she went nuts on me.
she beat me, called the police, brought her 4 boyfriends
to my house to threaten me and more.
she glued my penis to my balls when i was sleeping and
when i woke up to [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) i couldn't because the hole
was glued shut with super glue.
i think the nurses in the hospital are
still laughing at me.
she would come home from her esl classes at
college and climb on top of me in bed and wave
her pussy in my face showing me the sperm from
the other guys who fucked her that night,
asking me to lick it out of her.
this was the sweet, house cleaning, bible
reading russian woman i married.
i hope men are finally starting to see that
this is nothing more than a scam to get russian
woman into the usa.
PurpleNGold
03-10-03, 09:26
Originally posted by Lenin
Actually Russian women
more educated then American women and
easily beat them professionally when they
come here.
Problem in this F*king American System and
F*king American Culture. It is really horrible place
To live here for the men.
There's a 'long term stay' hotel in San Diego where most Russian women stay upon arrival in San Diego (fresh off the boat). Know how they get out of the hotel? They find an American or Russian boyfriend. Personal experience doesn't agree with your statement about how they do professionally.
PurpleNGold
03-10-03, 09:30
Lenin, your story says more about the Russian woman than about the US system. That chick is obviously a pshycho nut *****. And, unfortunately, the guy was obviously to stupid to kick her ass to the curb at the first sign of it. Hell, they'd only been married a year and a half. Her green card, if she even had it at that point, was not permanent. All he had to do was file for a divorce, call INS, and she's back in russia drinking vodka to drown her skanky ass sorrows.
Wait a minute, Lenin -- you're now saying that getting involved with a mercenary Russian woman who obviously used an American guy as a way of getting out of Russia and into this country, treated him like crap once she got here and cheated on him, a guy who even labels the whole thing as a scam, this somehow demonstrates something about America and American women? C'mon! This is just the classic "use some stupid American loser" immigration scenario, and it's something that's played out not only with Russian brides, but those from the east as well. This says nothing about the American system whatsoever -- if anything, it should be a caution to guys here who want to find women from other countries that there are scam artists and heartless gold-diggers outside of the borders as well as inside.
I'd suggest that you do learn Spanish and get out, as your bitterness toward all things American shows through. Really sorry we messed up your nice little perfect repressive oligarchy back home.
Purplengold, I am working in computer industry for 10 years for different
industries
And I didn’t see even one professionally good North American women working there.
And I sow a lot excellent software developers - women from Russia.
joe_zop, this chick is not alone. There’s thousands and thousands cases like that,
just may be they are not so exotic. It is too easy for women to use this stupid system against the men. And not only me who are learning Spanish to get out from this sh*t. Your position is very strange. It seems for you is everything fine with American System. I don’t think so. If it was fine, you would f*ck chicks instead of spending time for this forum.
OttoGraham
03-10-03, 21:13
Originally posted by Lenin
Problem in this F*king American System and
F*king American Culture. It is really horrible place
To live here for the men.
You know what, Vladimir Ilych? You can get on the next plane back to Moscow if you think it's so terrible here. We don't want your type of complainer polluting our country. Head on back to Perm, Omsk, or whatever shithole you call home.
Kiss my huj!
-Uncle Otto
Lenin, my point was very simple -- posting something about an international marriage scam really doesn't have a lot to do with the topic of American women, or, as you've extended it, how the American man/woman scenario somehow corrupts foreign women once they're here. That's true no matter how many thousands of foreign broads scam foolish American men into being visa conduits. If you want to prove your point, then how about using examples that have something to do with it? Screaming out that you got sun poisoning because you laid out in the sun for six hours does not somehow prove that the ozone layer is disappearing.
And it's simply not an either/or equation -- I can fuck women and spend time in this forum, and I do both, thank you very much! I've plenty of problems with American society and the system, but the fact that I also deal a lot with computers doesn't mean I have to be only binary, where I have to think or act only one way or another. It's possible to disagree with your points and still accept portions of your arguments -- but I'm not somehow obligated to accept off-the-point examples as saying something meaningful if they don't, and in this particular case, that's what you've done.
And perhaps this sh*t could never happen in Russia because there aren't loads of people lining up to emigrate there. Or am I wrong, and are there a whole bunch of "brides for Russian men" organizations I don't know about? Perhaps paradise just has such a long waiting list that we never hear about it?
PurpleNGold
03-10-03, 23:41
lenin,
i agree with the poster who said "get on the next plane back to [east buttfuck, russia]."
sure, things aren't perfect here. we currently have an ultra war-mongering executive office. we are getting raped at the gas pumps (partly due to that same executive office). we have a lot of stupid laws driven by religious stupidity. and, we allow too many negative-minded immigrants into the country. but, there are problems anywhere you go, and the problems here are less than other places. isn't that the reason you're here as opposed to ebr?
i'm also in agreement with the posters who say that american women are, more often than not, a bunch of money grubbing skanks. btw, i think this applies to the majority of women, not just those in america. that doesn't mean that i don't have relationships with them. hell, life would be pretty shitty without those relationships.
and, btw, jz was spot on when he pointed out the ability to fuck women and post to the forum. in fact, the forum is for posting about fucking women.
joe_zop,
If it was healthy system such b*tches would not do so much harm to the men.
If you read this story carefully you will notice the same pattern what happened everywhere: women beat husband and then call to police.
This is typical only in America.
I could handle such b*tch in Russia
But Here the men defenseless not only against bitches but against any greedy women
And similar cases are not necessary scam. Lot of Russian women comes here with serious intention to build families, but once they here the System spoils them.
About 50% immigrants from Russia divorced here in the first few years
and mostly because of their wives.
< posted by joe_zop
< And perhaps this sh*t could never happen in Russia because <there aren't loads of people lining up to emigrate there. Or am <I wrong, and are there a whole bunch of "brides for Russian <men" organizations I don't know about?
This sh*t could never happen in Russia because once American woman would come there the Russian System would teach her how to respect the man.
And Russian don’t need "brides for Russian men" organizations. Russian man in
Russia doesn’t have deficit of normal women like American man have here
OttoGraham
If Russia shithole Why did you go to Russia? if you like so much your American System just stay here and enjoy self sucking your huy.
PurpleNGold
03-11-03, 00:15
Originally posted by Lenin
If it was healthy system such b*tches would not do so much harm to the men.
Dude, this applies all over the world. Note that we are supposed to be talking about American women.
If you read this story carefully you will notice the same pattern what happened everywhere: women beat husband and then call to police.
Yeah. I hear about this on the news all the time. It's so common that there are special task forces just to deal with sending the men to jail. Are you smoking something?
This is typical only in America.
I could handle such b*tch in Russia
And how would you handle her?
Lot of Russian women comes here with serious intention to build families, but once they here the System spoils them.
I agree with this. Ever see Eddy Murphy's Raw? He talks about bringing an african chick back to the states and how she ends up learning to say: "I want half!"
About 50% immigrants from Russia divorced here in the first few years and mostly because of their wives.
Relationships end. More than likely both partners are to blame (if any blame needs to be assigned at all). But, I'm sure, from the crap you've posted that nothing is ever your fault.
This sh*t could never happen in Russia because once American woman would come there the Russian System would teach her how to respect the man.
As before, How? This sounds to me like an implied thread of brutality.
And Russian don’t need "brides for Russian men" organizations. Russian man in Russia doesn’t have deficit of normal women like American man have here
Then get the fuck back there. Go. We won't miss you in this country, but all those russian women are waiting for you to teach them respect.
If Russia shithole Why did you go to Russia? if you like so much your American System just stay here and enjoy self sucking your huy.
The same can be asked of you. One last time. Get the fuck back home if you are so dissatisfied here. And, what's a huy?
Wanderer1000
03-11-03, 01:03
Lenin -
Good to see you're back!
It seems your main argument is that the American system is set up to give more power to women (no matter where they are from), and that this power is recognized and abused by any women that feel inclined to use it. You do not seem to say or imply that women are inherently different anywhere in the world, but that the systems they live under has a lot to do with how they relate to and interact with men. You do make some allowances from past posts for slight variations in this - namely, that Russian women are probably inclined to be even more bitchy than American women if brought under our system, and that many Latin women would be a little better than American women if brought under our system.
I do not think you should go back to Russia, as some of the posters advise, since this is the forum to discuss American women and the various issues surrounding them - which is what I think you are trying to do. Every country has its areas of upside and downside - and I think you are simply trying to do your best to present your perceptions of one of the downsides being the American system relating to the power it gives women in their personal interactions with men.
America is a great place to make money, but the systems in many other countries make their women much better in the personal relations area with men.
>Posted by purplengold
>And, we allow too many negative-minded immigrants into the >country.
Thanks purplengold, I’m glad what I hit American painful spot.
Here is American problem! You are American so stuck with old thinking, political correctness and stereotypes that
you don’t want the fresh ideas because the new ideas could be quit painful.
Actually you have same kind of mentality what Russians had 15 years ago
When I Live in Communist Russia I had nickname dissident because I tried to
show to people that the old System is completely rotted.
They didn’t like to hear it. It is funny, they told me: "Get out from Russia and go to your f*king America."
Now when I see the same people they ask me how did I knew this in that time? Simple - Just open your eyes
It is funny, I feel like my old story repainting here again.
Negative-Minded people create progress. Positive-Mind people don’t need to change anything
America high tech revolution was created by hundred of thousand negative-minded immigrants programmers. If American afraid negative-minded immigrants is nothing going to be changed here.
Just complains, complains and more complains how bad American women.
C’mon purplengold,
Are you so upset just because of simple arguments!?
How old are you?
I had better opinion about you before.
Lenin,
If you read this story carefully you will notice the same pattern what happened everywhere: women beat husband and then call to police.
PurplenGold,
Yeah. I hear about this on the news all the time. It's so common that there are special task forces just to deal with sending the men to jail. Are you smoking something?
Lenin is on the mark, except for the gratuitous US bashing, regarding the balance of power having swung completely away from men in the US – to the detriment of men *and* women.
Women don’t have to beat their husband – why go to so much work when they can file a restraining order which will be granted automatically regardless of the merits.
A salon.com article states:
“in Massachusetts, as in most other states, a temporary no-contact order can be issued ex parte -- without the defendant being present or notified, let alone informed of the specific charges -- and solely on the word of the complainant”
If you have a flaming row with your wife or SO and she holds a grudge, her ultimate weapon is the restraining order which she can get lickety split on her word alone. Not even that the man has committed any real violence but because he is a potential threat – solely her word against yours.
This means that a man can be kicked out of his house on zero grounds, with zero notice – with, for all intents and purposes, zero grounds for appeals because the system is set up to err on the side of the woman (the article does explain that some men use the same tactics but it is 3:1 used by women.)
Because we (men and women) have been brainwashed into believing that men are rampaging brutes with hair triggers we are completely oblivious that some evil women can use this tool as a weapon against men. Given that an unjustifed restraining order can ruin a decent man’s life – an ‘incident’ (probably contrived) with an AW can bring the entire wrath of the state penal apparatus on a man’s head – men have to act cautiously to the point of self abnegation in their domestic relations with women – “pussywhipped” doesn’t do justice to men’s decline in legal status.
It is not about domestic violence it is about turning men into craven cowards - . This is the feminist agenda which is supported by the US media and a lot of men too. And it is working.
So Lenin, you are right on the money.
Feminists have such a grip on the cojones of the US media that getting an honest take on the situation is impossible.
Here’s the link to the salon.com article – it is absolutely hair-raising.
http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/1999/10/25/restraining_orders/index.html
PurpleNGold
03-11-03, 02:13
Originally posted by Lenin
>Posted by purplengold
>And, we allow too many negative-minded immigrants into the >country.
Please use the quote button and clip what you don't want. It'll make it easier on you and us.
Thanks purplengold, I’m glad what I hit American painful spot.
Here is American problem! You are American so stuck with old thinking, political correctness and stereotypes that
you don’t want the fresh ideas because the new ideas could be quit painful.
I'm not against new ideas at all. But, I've yet to see you post one. All you post is gripes about how awful the American 'system' is. And, how evil American women are. This is pure negativism, and, despite what you think, it doesn't bring progress.
Actually you have same kind of mentality what Russians had 15 years ago When I Live in Communist Russia I had nickname dissident because I tried to show to people that the old System is completely rotted. They didn’t like to hear it. It is funny, they told me: "Get out from Russia and go to your f*king America."
Now when I see the same people they ask me how did I knew this in that time? Simple - Just open your eyes It is funny, I feel like my old story repainting here again.
So, now Russia is so much better? Why are you here? See, it's not that you were unhappy in Russia and set about changing things. You ran away from that situation and commenced complaining here. Again, just negative, destructive crap.
Negative-Minded people create progress. Positive-Mind people don’t need to change anything.
This is absolutely incorrect. Negative people stew in their bitterness. Positive people can be one of two types. You have polyanas who believe everythings great. These fit your statement. But, you also have people who think things are wrong and decide to try to change them. They might start a new business to work the way they want, or They might go for political activism. Etc...
America high tech revolution was created by hundred of thousand negative-minded immigrants programmers.
Dude. Where do you get this shit? You might want to look into just who the leaders were/are in the information revolution over the past couple decades. Gates, Jobs, Wosniak, Ellison, etc... These are the pioneers of industry.
If American afraid negative-minded immigrants is nothing going to be changed here. Just complains, complains and more complains how bad American women.
Again, what have you done but complain? What have you done to try to better the 'system'?
As for your other post, I'm not upset at all, and certainly, not due to your arguments. You don't mean anything to me, so you aren't going to be able to get under my skin. But, I like lively debate.
America high tech revolution was created by hundred of thousand negative-minded immigrants programmers.
Oh, puhleeze! How old are you, exactly? I don't recall there being thousands of immigrant programmers back in the 80s, which is when the revolution really was happening. And those hundreds of thousands of programmers are still only a very small percentage of the total. But that's off topic in any event -- it's just that this kind of hyperbolic statement takes credence away from the rest of your posting.
I'm hardly afraid of you or your ideas -- when you first started posting I found them very intriguing and thought-provoking. But that's quite a while ago, and now I'd just like to have them connected to something as opposed to simply wildly spewing negative thoughts. Your tone since those original postings has basically and constantly become not "American women suck" but "everything about America sucks" -- which is precisely why people are inviting you to disembark. Just complains, complains and more complains about how bad American system. Not really any fresh ideas at all beyond the idea "need to be able to hit the b*tch without having police get involved, like in Russia." Gee, that's real new.
As far as the "woman beat husband and then call to police" thing, well, there's no doubt that it happens at times. There's also no doubt that the far, far, more frequent occurence is the opposite side of things -- there's a huge amount of domestic violence, and the vast majority of it is men hitting women. Twenty years ago that wasn't something that could draw a cop at all unless someone went to a hospital, now it is. Ten years ago the concept that men could be hit or abused by women was a joke, now people see it happens, with the general percentage considered to be about 15% of cases (haven't been able to track down whether that includes same-sex partners, which it may) and even some feminists are starting to acknowledge unbalance of the issue (see http://www.ifeminists.net/introduction/editorials/2002/1104a.html for example).
In another few years we'll no doubt reach some degree of balance, where the cops will know that 80% or so of the time the man is the aggressor, but that the other amount of time that's not the case. That's the way things swing in a society. Not much help at the moment, but the thing you cite is hardly an epidemic, and, frankly, guys who are going for mail-order brides are hardly prime examples of how American men deal with women, and, in fact, are usually basically the opposite -- people with little or no relationship experience or confidence, who are therefore ripe for abuse.
And I seriously doubt there's much chance that we'd ever be able to put the "Russian System would teach her how to respect the man" concept to the test, as there simply ain't gonna be any American women signing up for that trip -- and it's not because of the fear they'd be put in their place, it's because the economics suck.
Thanks Jak, you are expressed my ideas better than I did.
joe_zop, purplengold I really appreciate your interest but I am not going to
Spend my time answering your question which always
finished by: where do you get this shit or crap.
I told you already, you have same mentality that Russians have 25-15 years
Ago. Whenever I gave new ideas they without even thinking told me that it is crap or shit. Eventually I was right.
America high tech revolution was created by hundred of thousand negative-minded immigrants programmers.
Originally posted by purplengold
Dude. Where do you get this shit? You might want to look into just who the leaders were/are in the information revolution over the past couple decades. Gates, Jobs, Wosniak, Ellison, etc... These are the pioneers of industry.
This could be said by persons who don’t know very well
A dirty Kitchen of software development. In All places where I works, and I worked in lot of places most and best programmers was from foreign contries. American media paying attention to management or presedent of companies but many, many times I was witness how stupid all these people.
And it takes lot of courage and work from foreign programmers to fix the problems, which constantly created by those idiots.
60% of all software projects failed and most of them due to stupidity of American presedents and management. But they got all respect in media.
Foreign Programmers got nothing.
So purplengold are you still think this is shit? You got your info
From stupid media, I got that really is.
Your also confused everything else what I said
I don’t have time to go to details
I just trying to say that just by screemnig shit and crap, you are
really who make mess from this discussion not me.
You just want to fight. You are not open for new ideas yet.
Good enough -- we're dismissive and not open to new ideas, but you, on the other hand, are full of new ideas but just don't have time to engage those who don't immediately roll over and agree with you. Another misunderstood genius. Yawn.
Before to find any solution the problem should be identified.
This is that I am trying to do now. It is not negative thinking. This is first stage of any
positive process. First we have to have consensus about the problem.
I think, the American women sucks. I am not the first and the last who said this
I think the big part of American System and American Culture responsible for this situation.
joe_zop, are you agree with above statement?
PurpleNGold
03-11-03, 07:57
Lenin, what new idea have you posted? You put up an idea for discussion, I'll pay attention and give feedback. Untill you do that, don't say that I'm not open to new ideas. FYI, one of my favorite things to do, when starting a new project, (or when stuck in the middle of an existing one) is to have a 'Synergy Meeting'. This is pretty much a brainstorming thing, but you take it one step further and focus on ways in which disparate ideas can be combined to make a better whole. Does this sound like someone against new ideas?
One thing though. People who just say "That's stupid!" to whatever they disagree with often get thrown out of these meetings. So, if you are ever invited, be careful of your attitude.
Second, I am a very senior software architect. I've been working in the IT industry for over 15 years and have been in the trenches, coding, for much of that because I love it. So, my info doesn't come from the 'stupid media.' It comes from the inside and from reading every piece of major literature about the industry (both technical and historical) dating back over 25 years. You are so incredibly ignorant about the whole situation that you don't even have a clue how stupid your remark was.
As for the superiority of foreign programmers, that is also a load of shit. I've worked with a lot of imported talent. I've also done many stints as the liason to off-shore developers. There are some very, very good foreigners in the field and I've had the opportunity to work with many. But the typical scenario of someone trained overseas is the automaton. The problem with Indian, Russian and Chinese programmers is that they are not trained to think out of the box. The educational systems over there focus on rote learning and absolute respect for the teacher. The product of this type of schooling is someone who has a hard time solving problems to which he/she hasn't been previously exposed and who just does what he/she is told without thought to whether it contradicts what is right. It takes a great deal of specification to work with these people. There are advantages. They are typically cheap, and will perform the monkey work with dogged determination. But, they are certainly NOT superior to the average Western trained engineer. I'm an expert in this field, and this particular topic is one that I deal with on a daily basis. Care to go into details now?
PurpleNGold
03-11-03, 08:01
Originally posted by Lenin
Before to find any solution the problem should be identified.
This is that I am trying to do now. It is not negative thinking. This is first stage of any
positive process. First we have to have consensus about the problem.
I think, the American women sucks. I am not the first and the last who said this
I think the big part of American System and American Culture responsible for this situation.
joe_zop, are you agree with above statement?
Lenin, maybe it's just your approach. Maybe, instead of putting out a complaint and asking for agreement, you could instead just propose a solution to what you see as a problem. You will probably want to state the problem within the context of your solution.
An example would be something like: Lenin, maybe it's just your approach. Maybe, instead of putting out a complaint and asking for agreement, you could, instead, just propose a solution to what you see as a problem. You will probably want to state the problem within the context of your solution.
Guys,
I strongly suspect that Lenin is OK in the intelligence department but is lacking in terms of experience with American culture, language and social protocol. He probably doesn't even know what he doesn't know.
I, too, was somewhat enraged by some of his statements and unwarranted attacks on people here. I submit that it's time to IGNORE this character and get on with the topic of America Women per se. I mean, don't even respond to him and if he persists, contacting Jackson might be appropriate.
I've found that on similar types of forums that you always seem to have the obligatory fool who engages in outrageous statements.
Lenin, I agree that, on the whole, American women are far bigger pains than their counterparts in other countries. I don't agree with a blanket statement that all American women suck, because I know many who do not. (Plus I know several who I dearly wish would :)) It's entirely probable that aspects of American culture and the system are responsible for this but that's not the same thing as saying that virtually everything about the culture and system sucks and is responsible, or that every problem between men and women someone can think of is somehow related to this which is the tack you've been taking. There we disagree.
I don't see that there's been much disagreement on these particular things since this topic was begun back well before you popped in. So I rather think identifying the problem in really, really broad strokes is not something where a lot of time is needed. Using the kitchen sink approach of saying that anything you think of and throw up is somehow related to and indicative of the problem does not move the issue forward, and is in fact counterproductive to such a process. It's also rather difficult to get some sort of positive movement forward using technical terms such as "suck." And your insistence on agreement is essentially a way of not having a constructive discussion at all, as it simply leads to dismission by each side of the other, because it ends up being about whose ideas are right or wrong as opposed to where there is agreement and where there is disagreement.
It's not necessary to have agreement on absolutely every detailed aspect of a problem in order to examine it. In fact, in groups of people it's highly likely that there will be disagreement on specific degrees of any problem, and it's unlikely that any solution will absolutely fit every person's desires completely. So while consensus is needed on the overall problem, and general agreement on the major aspects of the problem, agreement is not needed on every specific piece in order to go forward. In fact, and I say this as an organizational consultant who has dealt with the issue of defining problems within groups of people many, many times, the belief and/or insistence that absolute agreement is needed is tantamount to deciding that nothing will happen and change is truly not desired.
If we're talking about problem-solving, one useful next step of the the process can be to define clearly where there is consensus and where there is disagreement. That is a way of establishing priority of desired changes.
This is generally done by trying to establish the specifics of the problem. In this case that would be to examine how American women "suck" uniquely, as opposed to the same way all women throughout history have "sucked" from a male perspective, and as opposed to the specific non-sucky aspects of some of their international counterparts. A lot of discusson on this has taken place here already, and part of the problem is that there's no delineation between how American women as a whole might suck, how a specific woman might suck, how women in general suck, etc., let alone any attempt to reach consensus or vague agreement on where a problem happens to be. So generally, discussion here is just guys being about as focused as the word "suck."
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