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I I still say most women that move to America as adults are not looking to move upmarket once they get here, unless you were so far downmarket that you lied about it.
I still believe that some Men not wanting to admit it, are married to Gold Digging EE, Colombian, etc women. As I said they won't admit it, so they won't talk about it. They are ashamed.
I’d have to agree with Dickhead. EEs and LA women are always looking to advance themselves and have little scruples about how they do so. And let’s be blunt: first generation post adolescent immigrants will never earn the good life in America through climbing the corporate ladder or making it in business. (You can only get rich in America if you have access to big money (family) or you do good, go to a top 15 school and a top 10 grad school, get a good job in finance, consulting, medicine, or corporate law). The one’s that bust their ass can do pretty good and live an average American life with a house, a car, etc, but they won’t be living large. Therefore, the only realistic chance they have to have a big house, nice Benz, designer clothes, and exotic vacations is to marry a man in the top 7% of all wage earners (192k+).
I agree with DJ that most American men don’t want to admit what they picked up at a Latin Affair on their 9 day marriage tour to Medellin. The only way to really know these broads is to live in their country, speak their language, and become intimate with their culture and community; most men will never have this opportunity.
Marrying a foreign woman already domiciled in America yields a much better chance of success than importing one. You should only import prime foreign punanny if you can afford to maintain it. And if you can afford to maintain it and are under 50 it makes no sense to import one because the domestic talent that is accessible to you equals the foreign talent.
"You can only get rich in America if you have access to big money (family) or you do good, go to a top 15 school and a top 10 grad school, get a good job in finance, consulting, medicine, or corporate law)."
It depends how you define rich. You don't have to have any of the above to get a CPA license, just as an example, and that's worth about an extra million dollars in earnings over twenty years (as compared to just a bachelor's degreee in business administration).
So if you have a million dollars free and clear are you still rich in this day and age? PS I don't!
"You can only get rich in America if you have access to big money (family) or you do good, go to a top 15 school and a top 10 grad school, get a good job in finance, consulting, medicine, or corporate law)."
It depends how you define rich. You don't have to have any of the above to get a CPA license, just as an example, and that's worth about an extra million dollars in earnings over twenty years (as compared to just a bachelor's degreee in business administration).
So if you have a million dollars free and clear are you still rich in this day and age? PS I don't!
Bro, as i wrote earlier,and as it pertains to pussy, i mean rich enough to sustain a lifestyle with a nice house, nice luxury car, nice (or more accurately deisgner) threads, and cool trips. In the OC or LA that means 250k a year..in places like Arkansas I think it would be less.
Maybe rich is not the correct term to employ here, but you need to be able to afford a lifestyle that these gold diggers demand or be near tone death to tune out the all the bitching that will come your way if you cant afford this shit oner. why do most marriages fail?...money.
I think if you have a million bucks in the bank and the feds are not sniffing around you are doing very good. ..you certainly are rich for the time that you have it in the bank.
(You can only get rich in America if you have access to big money (family) or you do good, go to a top 15 school and a top 10 grad school, get a good job in finance, consulting, medicine, or corporate law). .
I agree. America is a capitalistic rat race. 99% of the people do not understand there are a lot of other countries to live in that are better. Try explaining this to someone who has not traveled often, they cannot grasp this concept.
I agree. America is a capitalistic rat race. 99% of the people do not understand there are a lot of other countries to live in that are better. Try explaining this to someone who has not traveled often, they cannot grasp this concept.
Our propganda machine sure is effective isn't it...the land of milk and honey for all. rich socialist countries are much better for the average lad than the USA is. Our economic oligarchy is only better suited for the small segment of folk that have the will and the means to get rich..immigrants are largely exploited like slaves....think of the mexicans picking fruit in california or the polish ladies on their hands and knees cleaning townhouses on the upper east side. in three generations this handicap disapears but grandpa and dad won't see the big payout.
this faustain gift allows average white dudes to travel to ukriane and marry a hot young thing only for her to drive him nuts when she learns that average in america is much more booring and just slightly better than average in her own country. Then 26 year old Natasha dumps 46 year old Joe and takes 1/2 his shit that he's worked hard and honest to accumulate all of his life.
Wives and oxen from your own cities, boys...
The advantage: Her time is fairly limited, so at first no spending too much time besidse the in-out, in-out.
The disadvantage: She'll complain about her ex and/or expect you to assume a role of responsibility in her household, such as spending time with the kids or footing a bill or two.
I dont know how things work in America, but I found that single moms are so happy to have a decent dude that they nag less and put up with more shit from a nice but philandering fellow than ones without kids do...if you are supporting her and her kids you have a lot of leverage.
in some countries its not uncommon to find a 22 year old women with a four year old kid...prime eye candy without all the hassle.
Our propganda machine sure is effective isn't it...the land of milk and honey for all.... this faustain gift allows average white dudes to travel to ukriane and marry a hot young thing only for her to drive him nuts when she learns that average in america is much more booring and just slightly better than average in her own country. Then 26 year old Natasha dumps 46 year old Joe and takes 1/2 his shit that he's worked hard and honest to accumulate all of his life.
Wives and oxen from your own cities, boys...
Though I was thinking more of Uruguay than Ukraine; but I have another advantage-to-be, in that I'm pulling my life together so I can live OCONUS. My civil-service pension may be modest by USA standards, but it would be very comfortable, maybe even luxurious, in most of Latin America.
I was talking with "Bob," an expat who lives in the Puerto Plata area of the Dom Rep, and his story underlines this notion. He retired a few months ago, and moved from the New York City area to Puerto Plata; he has two sons who live back in NYC, and he was able to leave most of his "can't part with it" stuff with them. He rents a nicely furnished, two-bedroom villa with a skinny-dip-private swimming pool, for less than $1000 per month; he bought a motor-scooter instead of a car, to get around in town; he lives much as he would back home, but his costs of living are maybe 1/2 of "back-home". Which leaves him plenty of money for "play-time."
Bob has a lovely Dominicana girlfriend; would he bring her back to the States to live with him there? "Hell, no." He'd rather live in the Dom Rep, buzz down to the beach, hang out along the Malecon, enjoy his Endless Summer - and not have the drama of transplanting his "tropical flower" novia back to the cold, dirty, hectic, conspicuous-consumption, Wal-Mart atmosphere of the USA.
Remember that your lovely Ukrainian dyev or your sweet chica latina, transplanted to the USA, will soak up all the culture-features we bemoan in our American women. If you can manage to live in their country, I think you'll have more advantages living there than you'd have bringing them home.
Though I was thinking more of Uruguay than Ukraine; but I have another advantage-to-be, in that I'm pulling my life together so I can live OCONUS. My civil-service pension may be modest by USA standards, but it would be very comfortable, maybe even luxurious, in most of Latin America.
I was talking with "Bob," an expat who lives in the Puerto Plata area of the Dom Rep, and his story underlines this notion. He retired a few months ago, and moved from the New York City area to Puerto Plata; he has two sons who live back in NYC, and he was able to leave most of his "can't part with it" stuff with them. He rents a nicely furnished, two-bedroom villa with a skinny-dip-private swimming pool, for less than $1000 per month; he bought a motor-scooter instead of a car, to get around in town; he lives much as he would back home, but his costs of living are maybe 1/2 of "back-home". Which leaves him plenty of money for "play-time."
Bob has a lovely Dominicana girlfriend; would he bring her back to the States to live with him there? "Hell, no." He'd rather live in the Dom Rep, buzz down to the beach, hang out along the Malecon, enjoy his Endless Summer - and not have the drama of transplanting his "tropical flower" novia back to the cold, dirty, hectic, conspicuous-consumption, Wal-Mart atmosphere of the USA.
Remember that your lovely Ukrainian dyev or your sweet chica latina, transplanted to the USA, will soak up all the culture-features we bemoan in our American women. If you can manage to live in their country, I think you'll have more advantages living there than you'd have bringing them home.
You have the right idea and I wish you happiness in your well deserved retirement. I think that retiring abroad makes sense on multiple fronts: your money goes a lot farther and you can find a decent young lady to look after your every desire.
of all the guys in Thailand, the retired are the most happy and content. A few items to note: living abroad can be a bit lonely...i like america and americans and miss them both. Finding a place with a decent expat community and access to western things is something to consider. I think if you went to a place like...Uruagay :)...you'd be bored outta your mind in no time.
Some of these places are not really that cheap. Bangkok is friggin expensive these days and by no means cheap....the only thing that's really cheaper are the women.
Member #2041
11-24-10, 17:19
Though I was thinking more of Uruguay than Ukraine; but I have another advantage-to-be, in that I'm pulling my life together so I can live OCONUS. My civil-service pension may be modest by USA standards, but it would be very comfortable, maybe even luxurious, in most of Latin America.
I was talking with "Bob," an expat who lives in the Puerto Plata area of the Dom Rep, and his story underlines this notion. He retired a few months ago, and moved from the New York City area to Puerto Plata; he has two sons who live back in NYC, and he was able to leave most of his "can't part with it" stuff with them. He rents a nicely furnished, two-bedroom villa with a skinny-dip-private swimming pool, for less than $1000 per month; he bought a motor-scooter instead of a car, to get around in town; he lives much as he would back home, but his costs of living are maybe 1/2 of "back-home". Which leaves him plenty of money for "play-time."
Bob has a lovely Dominicana girlfriend; would he bring her back to the States to live with him there? "Hell, no." He'd rather live in the Dom Rep, buzz down to the beach, hang out along the Malecon, enjoy his Endless Summer - and not have the drama of transplanting his "tropical flower" novia back to the cold, dirty, hectic, conspicuous-consumption, Wal-Mart atmosphere of the USA.
Remember that your lovely Ukrainian dyev or your sweet chica latina, transplanted to the USA, will soak up all the culture-features we bemoan in our American women. If you can manage to live in their country, I think you'll have more advantages living there than you'd have bringing them home.
I like to sum up this phenomena as follows:
When you take her out of Oz, Dorothy becomes just another Kansas farm girl with red shoes.
Bango Cheito
11-24-10, 17:38
In my case, I pay pennies on the dollar here in Bogota compared to NYC. As long as you don't do anything stupid like try to have a car here, it's really cheap to live. Can't say I miss Americans that much... at all....
It's not really all about the women for me. Plenty of countries with easier women than Colombia, but few or none with better QUALITY. Especially when the sex is done and you may want to strike up a conversation....
You have the right idea and I wish you happiness in your well deserved retirement. I think that retiring abroad makes sense on multiple fronts: your money goes a lot farther and you can find a decent young lady to look after your every desire.
of all the guys in Thailand, the retired are the most happy and content. A few items to note: living abroad can be a bit lonely...i like america and americans and miss them both. Finding a place with a decent expat community and access to western things is something to consider. I think if you went to a place like...Uruagay :)...you'd be bored outta your mind in no time.
Some of these places are not really that cheap. Bangkok is friggin expensive these days and by no means cheap....the only thing that's really cheaper are the women.
I agree with this, and the leverage aspect..also you can date or have an arrangement with a mom separate from her life as a mom, she may not want the kids to become attached to a father figure who sooner or later will disappear. This is the situation with a special 28 yo I have in Lima, we have amazing chemistry like I've felt only a few times before in my life, and I'm actually keen on settling in to Lima next year partly so I can enjoy her company and regular access to her wet tight pussy (2 bebes and a tight pussy, yes it is possible!).
Basically her benefits are enjoying my company, she does seem to really care about me and have as much fun with me as I with her...and, well, enjoying occasional financial support when something "urgente" comes up, its amounted to a few hundred dollars or so over the past year, she is a secretary and money is always very tight. But if requests start to come too often or too much there will be a time to respond NO PUEDO. In the meantime I am off to Medellin tomorrow for turkey stuffing of a little different kind. She knows I am there to enjoy myself and meet "amigas" but is still setting aside vacation time just for us in January in Lima, it will be a nice change of pace to be sort of a serious novio for a few days. For sure all of it is better than the dry life here in northeast USA.
I dont know how things work in America, but I found that single moms are so happy to have a decent dude that they nag less and put up with more shit from a nice but philandering fellow than ones without kids do...if you are supporting her and her kids you have a lot of leverage.
in some countries its not uncommon to find a 22 year old women with a four year old kid...prime eye candy without all the hassle.
DJ FourMoney
11-27-10, 04:47
I know some dudes get caught out and marry a ladder climber from any of the popular countries for this type of thing. You always have Winners and Losers, why focus solely on the Losers and then say I'm better off with first generation immigrant girl usually here one of three ways -
Divorced from Western Man, married less than 5 years in most cases.
Student here going to school, then applies to extend her time and also looking for a local so she can stay.
Here on a work visa usually working at a Amusement Park.
Often times men pick the best looking women and why not? But haven't you thought that the little head overrides the big one and all your thinking about is getting back inside that same pussy that drew you in like a moth to a flame?
Typical time from Meeting to K-1 - 9-10 months
As I said before some poor boob did found a girl, she delayed two or three different times before finally coming on K-1. When she landed she didn't kiss him and handed him her bag. It turned out to be a scam as she later claimed abuse and it was later found she had been involved with known Ukrainian mob type running scams on poor dudes just looking for companionship.
Not all K-1 relationships fail. Not all K-1 relationships are sexless.
Since the Government isn't really interested in keeping much data beyond who applies and who returns home, its way to hard to gasp the whole thing. Also many couples would like to keep in the shadows because of the social stigma to marrying a foreign women to start with.
I have done the Single Mother thing. Its okay, I rather go with a childless woman that wants to have children. That is becoming problematic with all women over 30. It must be some type of personal record but I don't understand how come I run into so many women that can't have children. This is likely the reason why they are over 30, still single and unmarried. That's too bad but the reality is most men want their own biological children firstly, adoption in the first place for many including myself is non-negotiable and a non-starter.
Besides I'm narrow casting somewhat, not every woman is going to be into me. Even if you add it up all, its going to dwarf how many women are interested in Caucasian me. Narrow casting I believe eliminates much of the foolishness that can happen. That still means I need to do a proper vetting process.
I also believe there are other tactics that can be used that might be crass to some but legitimate to me to prevent the Okie Doke.
Working on contract is key to giving myself to the time off to properly vet a woman. We'll see how that works out, I have a job lined up but its local. This is server company with all types of on-site perks but I doubt generous time off.
That's not to say I won't give the time of day to an attractive sub-30 single mother that lives in the US/Canada/Western Europe.
Of course, it depends on the situation of the single mother.
Best case scenario, she's a widow. From what I've seen and heard, widows treat their new husbands quite well, probably because they realize the brevity of life and may have regrets of not treating their deceased husbands as well as they could have.
The unfortunate truth is that our wars are creating a few more of these widows.
Worst case scenario, the single momma was sexually abused as a child, has been divorced a couple times and has cultivated an unwavering resentment of men, yet still needs them for reasons of stability.
And, of course, there's plenty of ground in between.
I actually don't mind kids. Just depends on the kids. Ultimately, they'll be your roommates, so who wants to deal with asshole kids?
In one relationship, I enjoyed hanging out with the kids, took the daughter to a doctor's appointment, taught the son about photography. Problem was that the mother was a psycho who'd been molested as a kid (which may have explained why was so good in the sack and liked buttfucking).
I will say that if that kid doesn't come from my loins, I'd be less than eager to pay for the college education or cars and all that.
DJ FourMoney
11-29-10, 07:44
Of course, it depends on the situation of the single mother.
Best case scenario, she's a widow. From what I've seen and heard, widows treat their new husbands quite well, probably because they realize the brevity of life and may have regrets of not treating their deceased husbands as well as they could have.
The unfortunate truth is that our wars are creating a few more of these widows.
Worst case scenario, the single momma was sexually abused as a child, has been divorced a couple times and has cultivated an unwavering resentment of men, yet still needs them for reasons of stability.
And, of course, there's plenty of ground in between.
I actually don't mind kids. Just depends on the kids. Ultimately, they'll be your roommates, so who wants to deal with asshole kids?
In one relationship, I enjoyed hanging out with the kids, took the daughter to a doctor's appointment, taught the son about photography. Problem was that the mother was a psycho who'd been molested as a kid (which may have explained why was so good in the sack and liked buttfucking).
I will say that if that kid doesn't come from my loins, I'd be less than eager to pay for the college education or cars and all that.
That makes sense and I would agree with you.
If she's a Single Mother, I just rather have a woman with one child, fairly young (under 4) as well. The problem I'm running into here and in Europe is that the women are usually no more than 4-5 years younger than me. Once I'm in a better position to do this, I'm going to start asking women what's the difference between 35 and 40 in a man? Personally nothing that I can tell and I don't know what the concern is about 5 more years.
Anyway the majority of the women are over 30 and most by 35 are finished having children. There are some women over 35 that have never been married and have no children but want to have them. The problem with that is beyond 35 birth defects double, after 40 defects triple up to Menopause.
As I said because of my age and because Western Women generally don't tolerate large age gaps, its really becoming an issue with my selection process.
Bango Cheito
12-03-10, 06:16
http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/02/new-paleolithic-mating.html
very interesting and food for thought....
BTW I see this happening in Colombia too... the reality when you LIVE HERE you find out it's no different... at least not in that regard... in short, if you think that women here are more faithful you're the biggest idiot ever, except for if you think that women here don't care about physical appearance or money in a man, then you'd be an even bigger idiot! Colombia and Venezuela are the biggest body-culture countries on the whole planet, which is why the women are so gorgeous here. But they are very picky about men as well!!!
I know some dudes get caught out and marry a ladder climber from any of the popular countries for this type of thing. You always have Winners and Losers, why focus solely on the Losers and then say I'm better off with first generation immigrant girl usually here one of three ways -
Divorced from Western Man, married less than 5 years in most cases.
Student here going to school, then applies to extend her time and also looking for a local so she can stay.
Here on a work visa usually working at a Amusement Park.
Often times men pick the best looking women and why not? But haven't you thought that the little head overrides the big one and all your thinking about is getting back inside that same pussy that drew you in like a moth to a flame?
Typical time from Meeting to K-1 - 9-10 months
That's not to say I won't give the time of day to an attractive sub-30 single mother that lives in the US/Canada/Western Europe.
Hi,
I agree with you that we are letting the horror stories rule the day here. There are plenty of marriages that work between people from different countries.
The largest predictor of a successful long term reationship is similarity between the two people. For this reason, I think that inter cultural marriages are more likely to fail than intra cultural marriages...especially since most people are not afforded the opportunity to undertand a a foriegn mate's mentality and culture...but I wouldn't write off someome because of their passport. A math teacher in Kharkov and a science teacher in Bowling Green are likely more alike than we some may think.
Re: Students and Summer Workers
DJ, these girls are actually among the smartest and hard working young people in their native land. Being awarded a scholarship and navigating the work-study lambryinth are commendable feats. Targeting these girls without your shit together for a long term reationship is not advisable...they make great summer flings though.
I agree with you that the foreign women already in the US are ions above the shiftless whordes one finds in these women's native lands. I'd much rather date an EE already in the US than plucking one from her own country.
http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/02/new-paleolithic-mating.html
very interesting and food for thought....
btw i see this happening in colombia too... the reality when you live here you find out it's no different... at least not in that regard... in short, if you think that women here are more faithful you're the biggest idiot ever, except for if you think that women here don't care about physical appearance or money in a man, then you'd be an even bigger idiot! colombia and venezuela are the biggest body-culture countries on the whole planet, which is why the women are so gorgeous here. but they are very picky about men as well!!!
dunno why this is a suprise. i just got back from fucking around in colombia and other parts of latin america and found the place to be very classist, materialistic, and superfical..kinda like southern california without the class element. i also observed how 95% of the gringos there are scraping the bottom of the xx chromosome barrel with who they are engaged with.
but i, as any many would, do appreciate the fact that the women place so much emphasis on looking good...and the fact that they latinas screw better than aw.
say, does the emphasis on looks also apply aftter marriage?
DJ FourMoney
12-04-10, 05:40
Hi,
I agree with you that we are letting the horror stories rule the day here. There are plenty of marriages that work between people from different countries.
The largest predictor of a successful long term reationship is similarity between the two people. For this reason, I think that inter cultural marriages are more likely to fail than intra cultural marriages...especially since most people are not afforded the opportunity to undertand a a foriegn mate's mentality and culture...but I wouldn't write off someome because of their passport. A math teacher in Kharkov and a science teacher in Bowling Green are likely more alike than we some may think.
Re: Students and Summer Workers
DJ, these girls are actually among the smartest and hard working young people in their native land. Being awarded a scholarship and navigating the work-study lambryinth are commendable feats. Targeting these girls without your shit together for a long term reationship is not advisable...they make great summer flings though.
I agree with you that the foreign women already in the US are ions above the shiftless whordes one finds in these women's native lands. I'd much rather date an EE already in the US than plucking one from her own country.
"Just Visiting" vs Home Grown
Actually I think its more of a convenience factor that has some men who love EE, SE Asian or South American Women looking for these women closer to home. Problem is most of them don't end up in major metropolitan areas if that's where you live. I've seen more than a few visiting European women in Hollywood area hostels. But as you said many of these women are ambitious and put profiles on US based web sites looking for men.
Popular Web Sites like Elena's Models have a section with women in the US in it. I've been contacted by a woman that lives in Conn. Again I'm in no position to do anything about it, so I haven't contacted her back and its likely a missed opportunity.
That's why I'm becoming frustrated and very much looking forward to finishing my classes. I also might be working for a server company in tech support, so we'll see.
Bango Cheito
12-04-10, 08:52
dunno why this is a suprise. i just got back from fucking around in colombia and other parts of latin america and found the place to be very classist, materialistic, and superfical..kinda like southern california without the class element. i also observed how 95% of the gringos there are scraping the bottom of the xx chromosome barrel with who they are engaged with.
but i, as any many would, do appreciate the fact that the women place so much emphasis on looking good...and the fact that they latinas screw better than aw.
say, does the emphasis on looks also apply aftter marriage?
it never stops, but i fail to see what marriage has to do with having sex with somebody ;)
BC, fully agree that latinas are extremely materialistic, and that Latin America has a very class conscious structure that almost never gets much talked about in the North American press. Given this constrictions, and the lack of a social welfare network as we have, it is no surprise that the single moms down there (I haven't met too many that have NOT been knocked up at 15), latch on to a guy, and especially a gringo, that can provide at least some of the material comforts that they will see in the high end malls in MDE that they can only dream about owning some day.
Here in Canada, for the most part, single moms are verboten. No guy in his right mind who is not hovering close to bankruptcy would want to get within 10 ft of them. That is due to our lovely judicial system, which basically says that if a guy is willing to help out a single mom, he can be stuck with support payments for the next 20 yrs. In the end, this stuff hurts the mom far more than the guy, as she is stuck alone forever, and we can buzz off around the world
Here in Canada...due to our lovely judicial system, which basically says that if a guy is willing to help out a single mom, he can be stuck with support payments for the next 20 yrs...
Exact same thing in the US. There is now ample court precedent that has established that if a guy helps out a single mom for a length of time (usually over a year), he can be forced to pay child support for a kid who is not his. If he refuses to pay, he faces wage garnishment, liens, losing driver license, and jail.
Exact same thing in the US. There is now ample court precedent that has established that if a guy helps out a single mom for a length of time (usually over a year), he can be forced to pay child support for a kid who is not his. If he refuses to pay, he faces wage garnishment, liens, losing driver license, and jail.In the US, especially in Kalifornia, it is called "Best Interests." If the man had developed *any* type of relationship with the kid/children, or if they refer to him as "Daddy, Dad, Papa, whatever, it can easily be ruled that continued support from the de-facto dad (that means: YOU!) is in the "best interests" of the child. Congrats, you're now on the hook till the kid is 18 and a high school graduate or 19, which ever comes first.
Bango Cheito
12-05-10, 11:24
BC, fully agree that latinas are extremely materialistic, and that Latin America has a very class conscious structure that almost never gets much talked about in the North American press. Given this constrictions, and the lack of a social welfare network as we have, it is no surprise that the single moms down there (I haven't met too many that have NOT been knocked up at 15), latch on to a guy, and especially a gringo, that can provide at least some of the material comforts that they will see in the high end malls in MDE that they can only dream about owning some day.
Here in Canada, for the most part, single moms are verboten. No guy in his right mind who is not hovering close to bankruptcy would want to get within 10 ft of them. That is due to our lovely judicial system, which basically says that if a guy is willing to help out a single mom, he can be stuck with support payments for the next 20 yrs. In the end, this stuff hurts the mom far more than the guy, as she is stuck alone forever, and we can buzz off around the world
Here in Colombia they have food stamps, housing projects, old age pensions, community kitchens, meals on wheels, and socialized (two-tier) medicine.... the social safety net here and now in 2010 is actually wider and stronger than it is in most parts of the US actually...
I'm just saying, if you're not physically gorgeous and a woman digs you here in Colombia, BE AWARE that it's for your money, and act accordingly. Especially if your Spanish is less than perfect (especially including local slang), you can't name the past 5-6 presidents here, you don't dance on the same level as the locals etc. ..... be honest with yourself and your real place in the universe, because if not, Colombian women will chew you up, spit you out and throw your bones to the wolves.....they do it even to locals all the time....
I think that the problem with American women is that they feel a sense of entitlement. They want to be equals to men (which is great, I think that most men would agree that the sexes should be equal).
At the same time, they feel that they're entitled to the advantages that they've enjoyed as women. There are a large number of women who still aspire to be stay-at-home wives who live off of their husband's earnings without working. Women still want to be pampered and showered with gifts and lavish dinners. They still want to receive alimony from men after divorces. They still want to maintain custody preference, and rake in large child-support payments after divorce.
In essence, they feel that they're entitled to more than men are entitled to, and it shows in many of their attitudes. It's like their entire dating philosophy consists of finding out how much they can get out of a relationship while putting in as little as possible, and sex is a major bargaining chip that they use to maintain that balance. This is why many of them see sex workers in such a negative light. It is a direct threat to their control of relationships. If men are able to pay for sex, women will lose some of their bargaining power, and will have to put more effort into relationships while not getting as many benefits.
Perhaps this view is cynical, but it's based on my past experiences with american women.If I had to write something about this topic, I would have written exactly the same!
did we ever meet in a prior life or something?? That is EXACTLY what I say about Canadian 'hoes, "chew you up, spit you out and throw your bones to the wolves", although sometimes I say "dogs".
I read the article you posted, it makes the very salient point that pretty much all NA women up to about 35 or so, want and expect the impossible. What always gets me is they have NOTHING! For example, I am well travelled, have a business, university education, and other stuff...they have done nothing in their pathetic lives, but have an everchanging laundry list of expectations. All of a sudden, they are 35, with nothing and panic. Too bad, too late honey. The article does not define beta men vs alpha men, but the description of the nice, hardworking guy that always gets the shaft is true enough...
Oh Ya Papi
12-05-10, 19:47
I tried to research this, do not think it is true.
sounds ridiculous, please post some facts and a website or two thanks!
Exact same thing in the US. There is now ample court precedent that has established that if a guy helps out a single mom for a length of time (usually over a year), he can be forced to pay child support for a kid who is not his. If he refuses to pay, he faces wage garnishment, liens, losing driver license, and jail.
Bango Cheito
12-06-10, 00:29
did we ever meet in a prior life or something?? That is EXACTLY what I say about Canadian 'hoes, "chew you up, spit you out and throw your bones to the wolves", although sometimes I say "dogs".
I read the article you posted, it makes the very salient point that pretty much all NA women up to about 35 or so, want and expect the impossible. What always gets me is they have NOTHING! For example, I am well travelled, have a business, university education, and other stuff...they have done nothing in their pathetic lives, but have an everchanging laundry list of expectations. All of a sudden, they are 35, with nothing and panic. Too bad, too late honey. The article does not define beta men vs alpha men, but the description of the nice, hardworking guy that always gets the shaft is true enough...
Read "Brave New World"... that's where the expressions come from.... beta, alpha, etc.
Funny thing, back in 1997 I was at the point of moving to NYC from Toronto, and there was this whole influx of Colombians who got granted visas to come to Canada, either as refugees (bogus 999 times out of 1000 or more), or on the demographic program because Canada is an aging childness nation :P... I was obviously a lot younger back then, in great shape, good looking, intelligent, even already spoke pretty decent Spanish... the girl was a friend of one of my best friend's wife... and she's sitting her bitching in front of me about how they're supposed to be in Canada to set up young families and she can't find a man, I'm thinking to myself "ignorant fucking *****, I'M RIGHT HERE, why are you talking about this like as if I don't even exist" she probably already had me disqualified because I didn't have much money :P in that sense people really are all the same all over...
Mr. Oh ya Papi, this is absolutely true, there are many cases about this. In fact, in Canada there was a case two years ago where a same-sex couple, the dyke was stuck paying child support! She had kicked out her live-in gf, who had had some kid with a guy four years earlier, sued for support and got it. Courts, another world!
I'll readily agree that women all around the world are materialistic. I think if I were forced to make a generalization, it would be that women from more rural areas might be less needy in that regard, no matter their ethnicity.
I think it's also worth getting a woman who's also at least moderately athletic, because when they get exercise they may be less likely to run amok with their emotions.
I've only dated a couple of Latin women. Though they're just as materialistic, they can often be more feminine than average American women. And by that, I don't mean from just a physical standpoint. I think often they have a little more grace to their presence.
ThatGuy865
12-06-10, 05:01
Mr. Oh ya Papi, this is absolutely true, there are many cases about this. In fact, in Canada there was a case two years ago where a same-sex couple, the dyke was stuck paying child support! She had kicked out her live-in gf, who had had some kid with a guy four years earlier, sued for support and got it. Courts, another world!I believe he was talking about in the USA not Canada. While that maybe the law in Canada. It does not exist as yet in the USA.
In the USA Child support responsibility never is transfered to another man unless he legally adopts or becomes the childs legal guardian. In either case he is making the choice to take on that responsibility.
I know guys in the USA who have married women with kids and divorced them and they do not pay child support.
In the US, especially in Kalifornia, it is called "Best Interests." If the man had developed *any* type of relationship with the kid/children, or if they refer to him as "Daddy, Dad, Papa, whatever, it can easily be ruled that continued support from the de-facto dad (that means: YOU!) is in the "best interests" of the child. Congrats, you're now on the hook till the kid is 18 and a high school graduate or 19, which ever comes first.
This is very disconcerting.
I tried to research this, do not think it is true.
Sounds ridiculous, please post some facts and a website or two thanks!Read this, although its UK, but its probably similar to USA:
http://www.answerology.com/index.aspx/question/2884783_She-wants-child-support-and-Im-not-even-the-father.html
"She wants child support and I'm not even the father"
Before I met my ex-GF I was always good with money, I made investments and had savings. I met her, she was a single mom with a 2 year old boy. I fell in love with her and after 1 year we moved into a new place together.
4 years later (5 if you include the 1st year of dating) things weren't working out and we decided to end out relationship. I sold the house and gave her half even though she didn't contribute to the house or bills due to being a student, but as she had a kid I thought it was the right thing to do was give her half.
I havent seen either of them in a year, the kids now 8 years old and she has filed for child support for her boy.....the boy isn't mine, he doesn't call me dad, and we were never engaged or married, only living together.
The lawyer claims by me living with them I took on the parental role, I agree to a point, I did look after him, take him to school etc but only to help out my ex-GF, not to be his daddy. The reason she moved in to a new house was because she had nowhere else to go and it only made sense at that time to move in.
The biological father is some immigrant who the boy calls dad and only sees him once a month, he is not permitted to work by the law but he does in a Chinese shop illegally and did give a little money to his kid, he is seeking to live in this country legally. I live in the UK but I think this also applies to the US too. There is no law saying I take on the responsibilty for someone elses kid for the rest of my life, but its a decision of the court, if I appeal I take it to the European court, and the coursts always favour the child.
It's crazy to think because I live with a woman for 4 years that I then am then financially responsible for her kid until he is an adult....If I knew I'd end up becoming Uncle ATM I'd never have got involed....another reason to not date single moms!
ThatGuy865
12-08-10, 06:50
Here for common law marriage in the USA. BOTH parties MUST present themselves as HUSBAND AND WIFE to the public. So it has to have been mutially decided, not just because you live together.
Callifornia does not recognize common law marriages. So who ever stated that was just plain wrong.
Common-law marriage is not as common as many people believe. Living together does not mean you have a common-law marriage. There are strict requirements that have to be met for common-law marriages to be considered valid.
DJ FourMoney
12-09-10, 07:19
I tried to research this, do not think it is true.
Sounds ridiculous, please post some facts and a website or two thanks! In California?
http://www.cadivorce.com/divorce-news/common-law-marriage-myths/
It's no wonder why I put all my energy (and money) into foreign affairs. I asked an American woman who is a hot MILF, to go to a company Christmas dinner party at a real nice Country Club. She agreed but wants to meet me there and leave right after the party (so no pussy for me). Mind you, I am a nice-looking professional man of reasonable intelligence and income (and a high libido).
No wonder the divorce rate is so high in America and their married men are miserable. I may never date an American woman again.
Instead I save my energy and money for the younger, sexier, easier, cheaper, lighter foreign equivalents. In 2011 I have the good fortune of traveling to Curacao, Asia and Europe, all on business. You can be sure I will find and bang the biggest boobs available. Now that I know how to post photos I will share them with my fellow mongers as a source of motivation and celebration of our hobby.
The American Woman is a monster that the American Man CREATED!!1000% correct and we've not learned a damn thing yet.
Mister Pink
12-09-10, 22:58
Amen Brother! I am done, done, done! Been married 3 times here, I have had enough! I have my fun and my women now in Asia where my women treat me like a gentleman and I treat them like the true ladies they are! How did USA women ever come to be as f'd up as they are now? I look at women here and just shake my head, they have NO CLUE how women in the rest of world act, dress, talk and have wonderful sex like a REAL woman should.
Yes, Katt, the Captain is spot on! Fly away and be free to f* the real beauties of the world!
Eventually American Women will come to realize their pussies have no value in the world economy!
It's no wonder why I put all my energy (and money) into foreign affairs. I asked an American woman who is a hot MILF, to go to a company Christmas dinner party at a real nice Country Club. She agreed but wants to meet me there and leave right after the party (so no pussy for me). Mind you, I am a nice-looking professional man of reasonable intelligence and income (and a high libido).
No wonder the divorce rate is so high in America and their married men are miserable. I may never date an American woman again.
Instead I save my energy and money for the younger, sexier, easier, cheaper, lighter foreign equivalents. In 2011 I have the good fortune of traveling to Curacao, Asia and Europe, all on business. You can be sure I will find and bang the biggest boobs available. Now that I know how to post photos I will share them with my fellow mongers as a source of motivation and celebration of our hobby. Goood luck and happy hunting. Short term trips abroad-espcially on someone else's dime- are initially very exciting.
May I offer a suggestion to you. I have recently used a number of sugar daddy sites in the USA and Canada with good result. The arrangements vary and some of the women are psychos, but I have met two gilrs that are definite keepers: a recent former Miss State runner-up and a 25 yo recently divorced hottie that is a bit lost emotionaly and financially. I take the (almost) beauty queen shopping and on trips and I help the other one with bills. In exchange I get the privaleges of very beautiful AW. These women are much more preferable than the EE peseants that I normally sponsor and they have-or are getting-American passports so they can travel with me when on assignment. Fellow road warrios know the hassles of bringing 2nd world passport on business trips.
If you decide to take this route, stay away from the big city girls unless you also live in the same city and remember to be a gentleman. It's also important to be very honest and blunt about your expecations early on. It's odd speaking to an AW this way, but it must be done. . I think you'll be very happy if you try this route.
I still monger a bit, but am finding that the need to do so diminshes as I spend more time in the West and I feel secure enough to live the livestyle that my income affords me.
If you are a man that makes over 250k a year in a big city and over 120k in the midwest, there really is no need to travel to 2nd world shitholes to chase impoversihed pussy unless you truly are an unattractive bloke. The women in the West will chase you if you play your cards right. Even guys that are around 50 can date women in their late 20s on these sites.
It's sad to say, but America is rapidly declining and the rift between the haves and have nots is exploding and AW are becomming almost EE and LA like in their behaivor. These sugar daddy sites are a hare's breath from prostitution or P4P portals.
Just my two lei.
Bango Cheito
12-11-10, 06:25
I'd have a hard time finding any girl in the US beauty queen or no as attractive smart and put together as the AVERAGE Colombian woman.
I'd have a hard time finding any girl in the US beauty queen or no as attractive smart and put together as the AVERAGE Colombian woman.I will take Miami over MDE any day for Latinas. Any day. I spent time in each recently and there is really no comparison per capita. But MDE and Bog offer much better values for your money.
I saw many hot Colombian girls in Bogota, a few in MDE, and almost none in CTG. I think that you have a hard time finding decent AW because you need more than 3k a month to attract the best ones; for that matter, you need more than 3k in Col. But if you look really good you can often fuck nice looking girls once or twice.
Once a hot Col gal figures out that you are not a rich expat or have an important job in their eyes, like working for the Embassy or a multinational, you will be discarded.
Not pc to say: but most 2nd world people lie and are not as smart as 1st world people are. The one's that don't are upper crust and they don't socilaize with average gringos. Just my two pesos.
Of course, YMMV. I have met some amazing LA chicks and found them to be the definition of feminity, but they have all been in Spain, at upperend but still commercial nite clubs, ar at US universities and were largely inaccessible to me.
It's sad to say, but America is rapidly declining and the rift between the haves and have nots is exploding and AW are becomming almost EE and LA like in their behaivor. These sugar daddy sites are a hare's breath from prostitution or P4P portals.
Just my two lei. I agree with this 100 percent. I've been working in Asia for the last two years and have come back to the States for the holidays. I can't believe how fucked up this country has become. I don't think people realize how shitty the economy is here. What's funny is that I'm looking around when I go out and I'm seeing better looking women than I have ever seen before in the USA I don't know if it's because I'm getting older or the poor economy or what, but there are some hotties here where I currently am in California; especially the younger black and hispanic chicks.
I've been scanning some domestic p4p websites as well and the quality looks good overall. Even the prices appear fairly reasonable; quickies seem to be going from 60-80 USD. The only thing is, the prostitution laws in this country are still fairly draconian. They need to just get it over with and legalize it already; same with drugs for that matter. It's going to happen sooner or later anyway.
Off topic, but speaking of cheap domestic prices, have you guys seen the real estate prices in this country? I'm thinking about buying and realizing you can get very nice condos in inland California for 30-50K! Amazing deals out there, was joking with my Realtor that they're cheaper than some cars, he joked that you could put them on your credit card!
Some interesting times we're living in right now.
I agree with this 100 percent. I've been working in Asia for the last two years and have come back to the States for the holidays. I can't believe how fucked up this country has become. I don't think people realize how shitty the economy is here. What's funny is that I'm looking around when I go out and I'm seeing better looking women than I have ever seen before in the USA I don't know if it's because I'm getting older or the poor economy or what, but there are some hotties here where I currently am in California; especially the younger black and hispanic chicks.
I've been scanning some domestic p4p websites as well and the quality looks good overall. Even the prices appear fairly reasonable; quickies seem to be going from 60-80 USD. The only thing is, the prostitution laws in this country are still fairly draconian. They need to just get it over with and legalize it already; same with drugs for that matter. It's going to happen sooner or later anyway.
Off topic, but speaking of cheap domestic prices, have you guys seen the real estate prices in this country? I'm thinking about buying and realizing you can get very nice condos in inland California for 30-50K! Amazing deals out there, was joking with my Realtor that they're cheaper than some cars, he joked that you could put them on your credit card!
Some interesting times we're living in right now. RE is Vegas and the IE is startling cheap. I bought a few rental properties in Veas and in the IE where my down payment was less than a weekend of whoring is for the Vegas condos.
It's very sad to see America declining the way it is. Many people have a hard time just making ends meet. You are right about the repricussions for solicitation in America. That's why I never monger in America, too much too loose.
Dude, take a look at the sugar daddy sites, it's damn near prostitution and you can get nice above girls on there for about 500 a month.
I'd have a hard time finding any girl in the US beauty queen or no as attractive smart and put together as the AVERAGE Colombian woman.Another problem that you have, and I also suffer from this too is that expats get very little respect; people just don't understand the deal. Women value stability above all else and they don't think that an expat will provide this. Remember, the first thing that a woman sees in a man is: does he have a job, does he have a a good job, and will he be around long enough for me to take advantage of a job. In essence, women want the power to control, trap, and exploit your resources.
Also in the 2nd an 3rd world people who go aborad to work do so because they can't get a job in their own country-or at least that's what they think. Americans are the most unworldy 1st world people in existance and don't understand why someone would want to live anywhere outside of a few miles from there they were born. I read somewhere that over 70% of Americans live and die within 60 miles of their birthplace. I worked domesticaly for six montths for my firm in the healthcare division and it was fucking boring. Living in hotels in places like Mankato, MN for six weeks where the highlight of their week is Friday nght at Applebees. Good people, but not my gig. Fuck it, send me to Falllujah where I can get some action.
This is short-sighted, because if one can has money you can reallly live luxurious and get whatever you want in most everywhere, although getting shit done in the second and thrid world is horribly ineffecient and time consuming. Try standing in line for four hours to pay a phone bill.
Women want to see a house, a car, and job. The better each of the aforementioned are the more attractive you will be.
For an unaffilaited expat people don't really take you seriously. In either the host country or your native country. You are like an interesting gourmet food. Fun to taste from time to time but not a serious part of the diet.
I am an affiliated expat, but I am still messed up and obviously insecure with a chip on my shoulder at times because my classmates think I am just fucking around and have gone off the deep end and my mum keeps imploring me to get a "real job in NYC." Most people just can't understand what people like me do. American and most all foriegn women can't comprehend why I spent years in Iraq and Afghanistan unless I am an unemployable fuck up. They don't get that I made between 800 and 1000 USD per day largely tax free with no expenses and vacation every six weeks to go whereever I want. Not to mention getting to do really cool shit to boot. Even my own mother doesn't believe that budget, level of authority, and newsworthy shit that I did at 25.
People pigeon hole and stereotype and if they are unfamilair with something they shun it and ostracize it. AW are the worst of the 1st world people in this regard while Western Europeans understand what institutions like the World Bank and Asian Development Bank do.
A 30 yo old dude with an Ivy League degree making around a quarter million a year and I am forced to screw hookers, endure 2nd world party bitches and gold diggers by flauting money like a jack ass, and go on various sugardaddy sites to fuck hot women. It's embarrasing and demeaning.
That's my problem with AW: they are too stupid and cowardly to embrace the unfamilair.
I was just on Facebook not long ago and saw a photo of a girl I knew in high school. She went from a geek to a hottie, but after a little dabbling in cocaine and a failed marriage, she moved back to a town of maybe 400 to live in a trailer and raise her son by her folks' place. I think she's an assistant at a hospital now.
Not the sharpest tool in the shed. Doesn't have a pot to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in.
I remember years ago, I was in the area visiting my father, and her eyes lit up when she saw me at the community pool. But what I thought was innocent conversation was really a job interview to her. Ultimately, she broke off a date when she realized I planned on moving around more. Too bad she couldn't just throw a little nookie my way for the sake of enjoying life. But she did recently request me as a Facebook friend, which means she basically wants to spy.
After a certain age, some women must view fucking new guys as putting city mileage on a car. They want to keep that vagina in mint condition to get the right guy on the lot. They don't want to diminish the blue book value.
It may be worth noting that I spent my formative years in a small town, but I've moved around quite a bit. It's not small towns that drive me crazy. It's the soulless suburbs, where people lack a true connection to the land and culture is largely defined by retail. Blah, blah, blah.
After a certain age, some women must view fucking new guys as putting city mileage on a car. They want to keep that vagina in mint condition to get the right guy on the lot. They don't want to diminish the blue book value.
I have some bad news bud. After a certain age they just don't want to start the car let alone put milage on it.
In my own case my wifes pussy must be but be like a mint Rolls Royce sitting in the garage.
I know its a genuine Rolls because that is the price I paid.
It been sitting in the garage and hasn't turned a fucking mile in nearly 10 years.
Just no intrested.
So. Fuck it I moved camp to South America (Peru) and now get all the pussy I can handle and then some.
Sly
I may offend some folks here, but I was talking on the phone this morning to a buddy of mine in New York. He put his wife on the phone, and she told me since I'm single and 40, it's time for me to settle down.
She's Jewish and noted that she knew some nice Jewish girls she could hook me up with. And I was thinking, wow, the main dudes I've heard complain about lack of nookie had Jewish wives.
And I was also considering how my buddy, a Colombian, routinely fucks around on his wife.
Just got back from a date with a transplanted Filipina met via match. Com. She's kind of short and trim. After I paid for lunch, she texted to let me know she didn't feel a connection. After one date.
But the truth is, she volunteered that she hates working and doesn't like exercise, and I'm sort of the opposite.
If she'd gone out again with me, she might have felt my mouth connect to her pussy. So I texted her back and let her know I'm also available for flings."Feel free to call anytime," I wrote.
A 58yr+ old freaky woman from California once told me, learn how to tease and lick a woman's pussy to orgasm and she'll give you all the pussy you'll ever want. I've experimented with this and it works! She says lot's of American guys are completely clueless when it comes to oral sex.
I have some bad news bud. After a certain age they just don't want to start the car let alone put milage on it.
In my own case my wifes pussy must be but be like a mint Rolls Royce sitting in the garage.
I know its a genuine Rolls because that is the price I paid.
It been sitting in the garage and hasn't turned a fucking mile in nearly 10 years.
Just no intrested.
So. Fuck it I moved camp to South America (Peru) and now get all the pussy I can handle and then some.
Sly
...A 30 yo old dude with an Ivy League degree making around a quarter million a year and I am forced to screw hookers, endure 2nd world party bitches and gold diggers by flauting money like a jack ass, and go on various sugardaddy sites to fuck hot women. It's embarrasing and demeaning...That's fucking depressing.
-Helpmann
Bango Cheito
12-12-10, 04:48
I will take Miami over MDE any day for Latinas. Any day. I spent time in each recently and there is really no comparison per capita. But MDE and Bog offer much better values for your money.
I saw many hot Colombian girls in Bogota, a few in MDE, and almost none in CTG. I think that you have a hard time finding decent AW because you need more than 3k a month to attract the best ones; for that matter, you need more than 3k in Col. But if you look really good you can often fuck nice looking girls once or twice.
Once a hot Col gal figures out that you are not a rich expat or have an important job in their eyes, like working for the Embassy or a multinational, you will be discarded.
Not pc to say: but most 2nd world people lie and are not as smart as 1st world people are. The one's that don't are upper crust and they don't socilaize with average gringos. Just my two pesos.
Of course, YMMV. I have met some amazing LA chicks and found them to be the definition of feminity, but they have all been in Spain, at upperend but still commercial nite clubs, ar at US universities and were largely inaccessible to me. Miami for me for some damn reason is an easy place to get laid in, NYC isn't bad either, here it's harder, for some of the reasons you mention, but when it does work out it's much more rewarding, Colombian women are better looking IMO, more feminine, more interesting and MUCH MUCH MUCH better in bed. Women in North America go to bed with you faster but aren't as good at it and they have way more limits in the sack. Which pisses me off and makes me wonder why I bothered.
There are a lot of gold-digging women anywhere in the world, they certainly exist here. I just ignore them completely, they are a horrible deal compared to p4p, we should all know that! Colombia SHINES when it comes to p4p... tons of variety and availablity, cheap, safe, clean, convenient, EVERYWHERE. I run a mix of about 50% p4p and 50% regular girls... I dunno if I'll ever find another woman I trust again. The ones I trusted I shouldn't have anyways :P
I still monger a bit, but am finding that the need to do so diminshes as I spend more time in the West and I feel secure enough to live the livestyle that my income affords me.
If you are a man that makes over 250k a year in a big city and over 120k in the midwest, there really is no need to travel to 2nd world shitholes to chase impoversihed pussy unless you truly are an unattractive bloke. The women in the West will chase you if you play your cards right. Even guys that are around 50 can date women in their late 20s on these sites.
Dirk, agree with about 90% of all your posts below, good stuff. My problem with AW is no matter how much I make I do not think I would voluntarily choose to live there. The culture, the food, the laws.
A 30 yo old dude with an Ivy League degree making around a quarter million a year and I am forced to screw hookers, endure 2nd world party bitches and gold diggers by flauting money like a jack ass, and go on various sugardaddy sites to fuck hot women. It's embarrasing and demeaning.What about regular dating sites? The girls that I have had the best relationships while traveling were from dating sites or 'normal' pickups. Women from other countries are more real to me then all the BS that comes with an AW.
Another problem that you have, and I also suffer from this too is that expats get very little respect; people just don't understand the deal. Women value stability above all else and they don't think that an expat will provide this. Remember, the first thing that a woman sees in a man is: does he have a job, does he have a a good job, and will he be around long enough for me to take advantage of a job. In essence, women want the power to control, trap, and exploit your resources.
Also in the 2nd an 3rd world people who go aborad to work do so because they can't get a job in their own country-or at least that's what they think. Americans are the most unworldy 1st world people in existance and don't understand why someone would want to live anywhere outside of a few miles from there they were born. I read somewhere that over 70% of Americans live and die within 60 miles of their birthplace. I worked domesticaly for six montths for my firm in the healthcare division and it was fucking boring. Living in hotels in places like Mankato, MN for six weeks where the highlight of their week is Friday nght at Applebees. Good people, but not my gig. Fuck it, send me to Falllujah where I can get some action.
This is short-sighted, because if one can has money you can reallly live luxurious and get whatever you want in most everywhere, although getting shit done in the second and thrid world is horribly ineffecient and time consuming. Try standing in line for four hours to pay a phone bill.
Women want to see a house, a car, and job. The better each of the aforementioned are the more attractive you will be.
For an unaffilaited expat people don't really take you seriously. In either the host country or your native country. You are like an interesting gourmet food. Fun to taste from time to time but not a serious part of the diet.
I am an affiliated expat, but I am still messed up and obviously insecure with a chip on my shoulder at times because my classmates think I am just fucking around and have gone off the deep end and my mum keeps imploring me to get a "real job in NYC." Most people just can't understand what people like me do. American and most all foriegn women can't comprehend why I spent years in Iraq and Afghanistan unless I am an unemployable fuck up. They don't get that I made between 800 and 1000 USD per day largely tax free with no expenses and vacation every six weeks to go whereever I want. Not to mention getting to do really cool shit to boot. Even my own mother doesn't believe that budget, level of authority, and newsworthy shit that I did at 25.
People pigeon hole and stereotype and if they are unfamilair with something they shun it and ostracize it. AW are the worst of the 1st world people in this regard while Western Europeans understand what institutions like the World Bank and Asian Development Bank do.
A 30 yo old dude with an Ivy League degree making around a quarter million a year and I am forced to screw hookers, endure 2nd world party bitches and gold diggers by flauting money like a jack ass, and go on various sugardaddy sites to fuck hot women. It's embarrasing and demeaning.
That's my problem with AW: they are too stupid and cowardly to embrace the unfamilair. Hello, DirkDingy,
A man like you should have incredible success with French women. They love the kind of man you are.
Regards.
B. B.
I agree with what the posters say about women in L.A. – especially Colombia – as there is also some truth about what is being said with regards to hooking-up with AW. Although, IMHO, it does take up a lot more time, energy, money and bravado than what it would in other places (including Miami). However, don’t be misled about hooking up with women in Latin America either because the truth of the matter is that things have also changed over there – BIG TIME! Bango Cheito is right about the women down there chewing the bad boy locals (and chumps) and then feeding their bones to the wolves. The women down there (as in many other L.A. countries) have quickly become and are even more so faster becoming alike AW. Yep, you can’t deny that either. I understand that we also get older and things change and/or stop being like they were back a few years ago. But still!!
I just got back to Miami from living in MDE for 14 months a few weeks ago and I can attest to the B.S. that takes place down there. As it is, Paisas (Medellin women) are among the most difficult, complicated and hard-to-get bunch in Colombia. They are also among the most beautiful and drop-dead goregeous. So go figure! I’m not saying that they are the only ones that are like that, but there’s also no denying that they steadily hold on to their drama queen and AW-like titles like no other Colombiana does. Luckily, MDE is not the only mongering destination in Colombia. From my experience, chicas that cost you a good $80K+ in MDE to bang P4P status for a short while, you can find in other cities for a fraction of that amount. Why people go exclusively to MDE and pay top dollars for the same paisas – who travel to work at other cities to cool off and lay low – and yet one can have for literally pennies on the dollar in other cities? Is beyond me. But that is a discussion for another forum.
What I want to say is to not be misled into believing that you can go to Colombia and easily find your soul mate or your future significant other with relative ease. You can practically forget about that and go back to dreaming. Women down there (and this is also said by the locals down there) are exclusively after $$$$$. And lots of it too. Even if you’re gorgeous and bear a Mark Walhberg six pack – it’s still about the money to them. Only the jerks and losers can’t get enough of them. So, thinking about (and I know that I am also generalizing a lot over here…) things there are almost on a parallel to those here in Sex Prison as well.
Honestly, I don’t feel that I can trust women in Colombia (or Venezuela or Ecuador for that matter as well). You can speak the slang, dance like a local, look like a local and come off as a local – but if you’re not the gangster, celebrity, ubber-high class, or losser/ jerk type – it’s real hard to find any chica whatsoever. The decent ones are really hard to find (and get) and they are still, like the rest of them, after the money or probably also chasing after the American Dream. In fact, they don’t really care too much now-a-days if you go there from here or not. I have seen many a local girl prefer the loser local guy over someone visiting from another country who could’ve been a better prospect to begin with.
Go down there and have fun. Hook up with as many as you can (if you can). But know – and don’t lose sight of ever knowing – that it is all about the money. Maybe you can find a diamond in the rough or a needle in the haystack as an exception – but hey, the same thing can happen here in Sex Prison too. Coming to think of it, the best route to go is strictly P4P and then if you can score with a regular, non-pro, decent girl – then all the power to you. But please don’t go there thinking that you’re a maverick and you’re too cool and that these girls are so into you. Past a certain point, the allure of a gringo is still there for them (even with fake gringos like me) but not enough to really get you anywhere except for paying for their stuff, a U.S. visa, and being taken for a walking ATM. Sounds similar to a familiar place? Yup, that’s right!!
I have completed the first of my two four-month tours in SP and would rate it successful. I just worked real hard and then drank beer and smoked really good weed every night. I fucked three AWs during this time, all from in and around my apt building with zero effort. None were any good although none was terrible. None could be withstood for more than an hour and none had any meaningful education or career. I saved about $20, 000 but I will blow $5, 000 of that between Argentina over Christmas and Costa Rica over spring break. So if I can save another $15, 000 (I won't make as much on tour #2 because I won't be working as hard) I can return to Argentina in May at the end of the second tour with $30, 000 and I can live on that pretty good for a year.
The US wasn't as bad as it could have been. Prices are low, at least. But the women are just not cute or sexy or feminine or ANY of those things. Especially here where it is earth muffin central.
Returning from Brazil last Wednesday. Via Houston. On flight to EWR, woman across the aisle was reading a book. The title: Toxic Bachelors.
Bango Cheito
12-14-10, 05:16
It's not even about money all the time here in Colombia, often it's just about power games and taking advantage of one another emotionally.
Anyways, all that bullshit about nice women who just want to settle down is just that, bullshit. Human beings are NOT a monogamous species, I dunno why the fuck we think we need to fool ourselves on that one. We need to accept ourselves for who we really are.
There is a medical distinction between Guts and Balls. We have all heard about people having guts or balls, but do you really know the difference between them.
In an effort to keep you informed the definitions are listed below:
Guts is arriving home late after a night out with the guys, being met by your American wife with a broom, and having the guts to ask: Are you still cleaning or are you freaking flying somewhere?
Balls- is coming home late after a night out with the guys, smelling of perfume and beer, lipstick on your collar, slapping your American wife on the ass and having the balls to say; you are next Chubby.
I hope this clears up any confusion on the definitions.
Medically speaking there is no difference in the outcome.
Both result in a swift death!
Good one, Ajax.
Has anyone noticed that dating sites in America are filled with ridiculous, absurd lists with.
Very specific requirements from particularly fat and ugly women? Old hags.
In contrast, women who post on Filipino dating sites are almost always describe themselves as simple and loving.
Just an observation. DIA and Cherry BlossumsI've met a few women from American dating sites, in reality they turned out to be fatter and older than on their photos. Some people say good things and Plentyoffish, but it looks like it is mostly filled with really ugly broads with long lists of requirements. On the other hand, on RomanceLatina I get lots of messages mostly from good-looking women, that I do not even have time to respond to them. Which I believe is a good problem to have.
While I am certainly not looking to meet a laundry list of AW criteria, I also need more than "simple and loving." In particular,"simple" would be a word where if I saw it, I would eliminate the person. Actually I think what D Cups meant to say was "simple and loving with big tits." Hey, it could be a lot worse!
But now I am in Buenos Aires so if I want a BJ I snap my fingers. There is a lot of inflation here but that increases the desperation and the sex ends up costing about the same.
I'm not sure if this is a true story, but fun to watch, also shows well some AW traits:
http://www.abum.com/56740/Spoiled-*****-15-year-old-gets-a-Lexus-for-her-birthday-and-cries.html
No grandes lolas here. Most Argentinean women have small titties. I had one for a while, Pandora, who had big titties she swore were real but I never believed her. A lot of 34 Bs here. Of course, that's 85 on the metric system so it sounds much better. Also bras here do not have cup sizes, which tells you something.
I'm not sure if this is a true story, but fun to watch, also shows well some AW traits:
http://www.abum.com/56740/Spoiled-*****-15-year-old-gets-a-Lexus-for-her-birthday-and-cries.html
Let me see if I can end this thread on describing "American Women", as compared to all those others we so love to hang and bang with. Two words: THEY SUCK!
Perhaps AW suck, but not particularly well nor particularly enthusiastically. Actually I've had some of my better blow jobs from AWs but the median experience has been pretty low. Statistically speaking one should always look for outliers in this area.
Yes, this is what rich and stupid American parents (especially moms) are teaching their daughters: to throw a hissy fit whenever they don't get what they want when they want. It is examples like this that cause me to decide to leave America. I feel sorry for the stupid schmuck that eventually marries the little stupid ****.
*That plus age discrimination. A fifty-something man could never marry a twenty-something woman here without severe gossip and social stigma. Whereas in Asia, I frequently see this combination of old and young in love and accepted by Asian societies.
I'm not sure if this is a true story, but fun to watch, also shows well some AW traits:
http://www.abum.com/56740/Spoiled-*****-15-year-old-gets-a-Lexus-for-her-birthday-and-cries.html
I've wasted a little time in the on-line dating time but probably learned a few things, too.
For example, never mention that your bro had kids with his wife via in vitro fertilization. Women in their mid-30s are baby hungry and want few complications, I gather.
Granted, I'm in shape, and my brother is fat, which probably explains his low motility. Still, when women hear about it, they start to back out. I'm tempted to say,"No, but I AM fertile. In fact, I've paid for abortions!"
I'm not sure if this is a true story, but fun to watch, also shows well some AW traits:
http://www.abum.com/56740/Spoiled-*****-15-year-old-gets-a-Lexus-for-her-birthday-and-cries.html
That was totally crazy. If AW are raised like this now, the future AM do not stand a chance!
That was totally crazy. If AW are raised like this now, the future AM do not stand a chance!Tell your boys about Sosua, daddies. The wise AM of the future won't be bothered to TAKE a chance!
Member #4491
12-22-10, 18:41
That Lexus girl can be fixed with many years of therapy.
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Australiasucks
12-25-10, 23:51
I'm not sure if this is a true story, but fun to watch, also shows well some AW traits:
http://www.abum.com/56740/Spoiled-*****-15-year-old-gets-a-Lexus-for-her-birthday-and-cries.html
That story is true. MTV used to have a show about spoiled American youth.
I'm not sure if this is a true story, but fun to watch, also shows well some AW traits:
http://www.abum.com/56740/Spoiled-*****-15-year-old-gets-a-Lexus-for-her-birthday-and-cries.html
"Not the car I wanted." Poor thing. What mean parents, not to buy her the car she wanted.
Ah, Nurse Ratchett has brought me my meds now. I feel much more mellow abou... (Snore)
Did anyone see this gem in the newspaper today? On another site, it says the husband could face up to five years in jail! I know we call the U.S. "sex prison" but this is too much!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101227/ap_on_hi_te/us_reading_wife_s_e_mail
ROCHESTER HILLS, Mich. – A Rochester Hills man who says he learned of his wife's affair by reading her e-mail on their computer faces trial Feb. 7 on felony computer misuse charges.
Thirty-three-year-old Leon Walker used his wife's password to get into her Gmail account. Clara Walker filed for a divorce, which was granted this month.
Leon Walker tells The Oakland Press of Pontiac he was trying to protect the couple's children from neglect and calls the case a "miscarriage of justice."
Oakland County Assistant Prosecutor Sydney Turner says the charge is justified.
Privacy law writer Frederick Lane tells the Detroit Free Press the law typically is used to prosecute identity theft and stealing trade secrets. He says he questions if a wife can expect privacy on a computer she shares with her husband.
Did anyone see this gem in the newspaper today? On another site, it says the husband could face up to five years in jail! I know we call the USA "sex prison" but this is too much!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101227/ap_on_hi_te/us_reading_wife_s_e_mail
ROCHESTER HILLS, Mich. – A Rochester Hills man who says he learned of his wife's affair by reading her e-mail on their computer faces trial Feb. 7 on felony computer misuse charges.
Thirty-three-year-old Leon Walker used his wife's password to get into her Gmail account. Clara Walker filed for a divorce, which was granted this month.
Leon Walker tells The Oakland Press of Pontiac he was trying to protect the couple's children from neglect and calls the case a "miscarriage of justice."
Oakland County Assistant Prosecutor Sydney Turner says the charge is justified.
Privacy law writer Frederick Lane tells the Detroit Free Press the law typically is used to prosecute identity theft and stealing trade secrets. He says he questions if a wife can expect privacy on a computer she shares with her husband. This is, indeed, a "carriage of misjustice" as some wag put it.
But in the USA family-law system, of course, all the blame lands on the husband.
As the philosopher asked years ago,"If a tree falls in the forest, and nobody hears it, is it still some man's fault?"
I'm sorry but I have no sympathy for this guy. He married her, for damn sake, no one forced him to the altar.
Did anyone see this gem in the newspaper today? On another site, it says the husband could face up to five years in jail! I know we call the USA "sex prison" but this is too much!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101227/ap_on_hi_te/us_reading_wife_s_e_mail
ROCHESTER HILLS, Mich. – A Rochester Hills man who says he learned of his wife's affair by reading her e-mail on their computer faces trial Feb. 7 on felony computer misuse charges.
Thirty-three-year-old Leon Walker used his wife's password to get into her Gmail account. Clara Walker filed for a divorce, which was granted this month.
Leon Walker tells The Oakland Press of Pontiac he was trying to protect the couple's children from neglect and calls the case a "miscarriage of justice."
Oakland County Assistant Prosecutor Sydney Turner says the charge is justified.
Privacy law writer Frederick Lane tells the Detroit Free Press the law typically is used to prosecute identity theft and stealing trade secrets. He says he questions if a wife can expect privacy on a computer she shares with her husband.
Would be MOST interested to find out what would happen if the perverbial shoe was on the other foot. Pretty.
Sure you can bet nothing would happen to the AW, and the guy would be cleaned out
I'm sorry but I have no sympathy for this guy. He married her, for damn sake, no one forced him to the altar.Must be a women district attorney
Must be a women district attorneyNo, I'm NOT! I just call things the way I see 'em. I saw how two close male family members got their clocks cleaned out by women. Both are 6 feet underground now. One relation lost almost every penny he had to women, he died basically broke. The other family member was convinced by a woman, a girlfriend, that he needed some exotic surgery procedure done to his legs. We pleaded with him not to have the procedure done, but he died a year or so later a very miserable, broken man.
Most women do a good job hiding what they are about from men, BUT it's all there for you to see, that is if you want to see it. Men often get side tracked by the free pussy, BJ's, before marriage, but that is only the HOOK, all the woman has to do is reel in the prey.
Balto is not saying Ajax is a woman or a district attorney. Balto is saying that the district attorney prosecuting the cuckold who read his wife's e-mail is likely female. That's likely regardless since 50% of US law school graduates are women.
Balto is not saying Ajax is a woman or a district attorney. Balto is saying that the district attorney prosecuting the cuckold who read his wife's e-mail is likely female. That's likely regardless since 50% of US law school graduates are women.Oopps sorry Balto my bad!
Member #3439
01-03-11, 07:01
Tell your boys about Sosua, daddies. The wise AM of the future won't be bothered to TAKE a chance!When the time comes, I'm cashing in FF miles and taking mine on a grand tour so they can see what's out there. I'm thinking Rio, Barcelona, Nairobi, Jakarta, Bangkok and Manila. I consider this sort of a duty, along with assisting with college expenses. People ***** about their kids dropping out of college. It's just because 1) the kids are lazy 2) they have no idea how much exotic pussy you can get with a BS degree that leads to a job with decent salary and foreign travel opportunities. My adventures in life surpass any dreams that I had at 20.
Not sure if you guys have seen that video already, but there's a guy, that is basically using Youtube to promote himself looking for a wife! Un-freaking-real!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuNuDy8f8Hs&feature=player_embedded
Why do guys like him even bother in the US with US women and instead not look elsewhere? There's a huge world, full of hot, sexy, feminine women outside of the US. This is simply unreal.
Anyways, watch and you'll understand.
LittleTruths
01-03-11, 15:19
Did anyone see this gem in the newspaper today? On another site, it says the husband could face up to five years in jail! I know we call the USA "sex prison" but this is too much!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101227/ap_on_hi_te/us_reading_wife_s_e_mail
ROCHESTER HILLS, Mich. – A Rochester Hills man who says he learned of his wife's affair by reading her e-mail on their computer faces trial Feb. 7 on felony computer misuse charges.
Thirty-three-year-old Leon Walker used his wife's password to get into her Gmail account. Clara Walker filed for a divorce, which was granted this month.
Leon Walker tells The Oakland Press of Pontiac he was trying to protect the couple's children from neglect and calls the case a "miscarriage of justice."
Oakland County Assistant Prosecutor Sydney Turner says the charge is justified.
Privacy law writer Frederick Lane tells the Detroit Free Press the law typically is used to prosecute identity theft and stealing trade secrets. He says he questions if a wife can expect privacy on a computer she shares with her husband. So this poor bastard is supposed to be locked up now for what? For looking into her wife's inbox? The h0 was his fuckin' wife! Does that mean anything? She carries his family name.
Wayne Roberts
01-03-11, 16:29
A 30 yo old dude with an Ivy League degree making around a quarter million a year and I am forced to screw hookers, endure 2nd world party bitches and gold diggers by flauting money like a jack ass, and go on various sugardaddy sites to fuck hot women. It's embarrasing and demeaning.
That's my problem with AW: they are too stupid and cowardly to embrace the unfamilair. Dude, I'm in the exact same boat.
Curious to know what sugar daddy sites you have used? Seems a good way to land a few regular lays on the side with little complication
This is one more prime example that the morals and other highly valued human traits like integrity are being pushed into oblivion by these pro female laws. I wouldn't blame that guy if he ends up killing that *****, that's how fucked up this case and this society has become.
One question to the US men in here: why are all the men allowing these barbaric and female talebanic laws be passed in the first place? Why aren't the men in general doing a mass protest so that the laws be fairer and not heavily one sided in favor of the women? The most powerful people in the US are still male, so why don't they do anything to change that? I am lost for words to the level of how far this femanization of the US has gone.
So this poor bastard is supposed to be locked up now for what? For looking into her wife's inbox? The h0 was his fuckin' wife! Does that mean anything? She carries his family name.
Yeah, we need to organize a mass demonstration. Like the Million Man March. That completely changed the landscape for Black America.
Oh wait; no it didn't. Vote with your feet.
Gfe Finder
01-03-11, 19:58
Not sure if you guys have seen that video already, but there's a guy, that is basically using Youtube to promote himself looking for a wife! Un-freaking-real!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuNuDy8f8Hs&feature=player_embedded
Why do guys like him even bother in the US with US women and instead not look elsewhere? There's a huge world, full of hot, sexy, feminine women outside of the US. This is simply unreal.
Anyways, watch and you'll understand. You do know that this video is a prank, right? The "sequel" can be viewed at.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqTNEIgpQ-8.
Given the Kingston hoaxster's reaction (or lack thereof) to being exposed on camera, this sequel may be a hoax also. Nonetheless, the last 15 seconds or so have some good advice for those who wish to use dating sites.
One question to the US men in here: why are all the men allowing these barbaric and female talebanic laws be passed in the first place? Why aren't the men in general doing a mass protest so that the laws be fairer and not heavily one sided in favor of the women? The most powerful people in the US are still male, so why don't they do anything to change that? I am lost for words to the level of how far this femanization of the US has gone.
This question I asked already for 20 years. American men have no answer.
The schizophrenic cannot answer why he is sick. We have widespread of mental illness
among American men.
LittleTruths
01-07-11, 17:35
LOL, I've been Rin' this FF quite a bit now and I must say it's ridiculous. Ridiculous because the state of things overall is soo pathetic that one in his right mind can't do anything but take it in good spirits and laugh about it.
BTW, this shit is not just about AW but women in general. Women are women all around the world and all act accordingly. Most often than not they will try and get away with whatever they can. The only difference lays in what her surroundings allow her to (by surroundings I mean the society she lives in in general and the people she relates to on a daily basis).
For instance, in the Netherlands the "in" thing for women nowadays seems to be to have different children by different men. 3 being the perfect number as usual, so that the goddamn ho can collect not just one, but 3 support checks at the end of the month and live it up with no worries (this was said to me by a dutch girl friend of mine).
Sticking to the Netherlands as an example, the individualism and emancipation brought to the extremes didn't ultimately translate into an apparent betterment of society nor of the individual's living conditions. In fact, it is in plain view for everyone to see that the country is filled with lonely people who are incapable of relating to each other for anything other than talking shit at the bar, get drunk and engage in risky sexual behaviours with no string attached.
Golddigging sluts are aplenty all around the world and they are to be considered, IMO, as good as cancer. And women in general hold not much value for themselves besides their phisical attributes. Just have a look; even THEY know it!
Kindness doesn't belong to a woman's world. There is no such a thing in their universe, they have no notion of it. For us as Men, with our goddamned provider instinct it's easy to see weakness in a woman and mistake it for kindness, so if she also happens to be a good piece of ass in the meantime we're suddenly feeling all lovey dovey et al and try to take care of her and be good. At the same time, as she sees this kindness being showered on her she obviously takes it for weakness because that is the closest thing they know of and so she starts making her moves towards being in the position of power in the relationship that insued to take full advantage of it.
If I go fucking around for one night I'm probably going to show up back home in the morning with a bunch of nice flowers and a good mood (besides a foolproof excuse). But man, if my woman goes fucking around in the afternoon most often than not I will find a cold soup on the table when I get back home and she will be distant and even straight up resentful towards me! How crazy is that?
I see lots of guys on here talking about how women left or right would make a better companion on the long run, and honestly, while I wish I could believe that I see not much to support the thesys.
That any woman would make a better companion than an AW is not hard to believe anyways, not at all. In fact, even tho, thanks god, I have fucked girls all around the world I have always kept a comfortable distance to any AW I happened to cross path with (I am European BTW). First off, the accent and the tone of voice they have together with how loud they are makes for a fucking giant chicken. No jokes. I find it horrible. Second, they are obnoxious. They talk too much. I like my beEeatch to be good looking and not to overheat my ears and boy those AW just keep on keeping thir chicken mouth running all the time about shit one couldn't give a shit about. You aske her what time is it and she start telling you the story of her life and how did she and up there. Who gives a fuck? On top of that, they are rude. They like to play "fine lady" but brother the only girl I have ever heard belching out loud, and in a restaurant mind you, was an american girl. She thought it was cute I guess, and so did her chickenhead girls. Unfuckinbelievable.
On a different occasion, in another upscale restaurant I overheard (easily I must admitt, due to the volume of voice she used) another such chickenhead talking some would-be funny crap about fisting and shit to her commensals. WOW.
So yeah, probably you'll be better off picking up a wife in any exotic place and hope she can draw a line somewhere and not go over the hill like these idiotic bitches have already. I wish you guys the best of luck with that.
Bottomline seems to be that women are the same shit regardless of where they come from, but the ones from places like the USA or (even tho admittedly to a less repulsive extent) north Europe can be seen as the posterchild of how wrong things can go.
Just my two cents.
It's true American women have lousy manners. So do a lot of American men. And we all talk too loud. It's true. Especially me because #1 I am from back East and #2 I am going deaf. I just said good-bye to my favorita here in Buenos Aires as I prepare to serve the second half of my sentence in SP. She has great manners. Makes the bed, hangs up the towels, never grabs F & B without asking, etc. etc. 36 y / o, not a bit overweight and never will be. Perfect little titties. No tats or piercings. Doesn't smoke, drink, or do drugs. Six and a half years of seeing her once or sometimes twice a week. Almost like a marriage only way, way better.
I only screwed two new chicas on this trip of 23 days, I like my favorita so much. Well, I mean I screwed a bunch of other chicas too but most of them I've also known for years. So I don't really think women are nearly as bad in other parts of the world as they are in the US.
Northern Europe, the people there are too cold for me. Men and women. My Latina favorita is hot hot hot. Hot in bed, hot tempered, and hot to the touch. Sleeping with her is liking sleeping with a lump of coal in your bed, that's how much heat the woman exudes. Half Spanish and half Arab and looks just like Shakira except Shakira is much cuter. But hey.
The first four months of my sentence weren't too bad. I was in America so I did like an American and I just worked all the time and made money and didn't have any fun. These next four months will be the same except I will get paroled for a week to Costa Rica. I did not meet a single woman I wanted to fuck in four months, including the three I actually did fuck.
Maybe I will stop at a wh@rehouse On my way to the airport. Sigh.
LittleTruths
01-07-11, 18:03
It's true American women have lousy manners. So do a lot of American men. And we all talk too loud. It's true. Especially me because #1 I am from back East and #2 I am going deaf. I just said good-bye to my favorita here in Buenos Aires as I prepare to serve the second half of my sentence in SP. She has great manners. Makes the bed, hangs up the towels, never grabs F & B without asking, etc. Etc. 36 why / o, not a bit overweight and never will be. Perfect little titties. No Tats or piercings. Doesn't smoke, drink, or do drugs. Six and a half years of seeing her once or sometimes twice a week. Almost like a marriage only way, way better.
I only screwed two new chicas on this trip of 23 days, I like my favorita so much. Well, I mean I screwed a bunch of other chicas too but most of them I've also known for years. So I don't really think women are nearly as bad in other parts of the world as they are in the US.
Northern Europe, the people there are too cold for me. Men and women. My Latina favorita is hot hot hot. Hot in bed, hot tempered, and hot to the touch. Sleeping with her is liking sleeping with a lump of coal in your bed, that's how much heat the woman exudes. Half Spanish and half Arab and looks just like Shakira except Shakira is much cuter. But hey.
The first four months of my sentence weren't too bad. I was in America so I did like an American and I just worked all the time and made money and didn't have any fun. These next four months will be the same except I will get paroled for a week to Costa Rica. I did not meet a single woman I wanted to fuck in four months, including the three I actually did fuck.
Maybe I will stop at a wh@rehouse On my way to the airport. Sigh. LOL. Keep it up buddy! You know the drill; take on your routine head on and in no time you'll be free again! .
Bless
ThatGuy865
01-07-11, 23:06
Well I for one have found several sexy fine AW whom I've been having a great time with. The latest one even cooks and makes dinner for me several times a month. Not like thats a lot. But it sure beats paying for meals. The only problem is she lives an hour drive from me. And I hate to drive after sex. A good rental movie and we call it a date. She's a home body, who doesn't like crowds so thats makes for a cheap date and great for me.
I have met at least one AW a month the last few months. I'm hoping more guys are disgusted with AW. Making it easier for guys like me. Thanks guys. And Keep looking else where.
TG. Just want to express my thanks and gratitude.
Ok, ThatGuy865, here are a couple of AW I'm sending your way. Enjoy!
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Well I for one have found several sexy fine AW whom I've been having a great time with. The latest one even cooks and makes dinner for me several times a month. Not like thats a lot. But it sure beats paying for meals. The only problem is she lives an hour drive from me. And I hate to drive after sex. A good rental movie and we call it a date. She's a home body, who doesn't like crowds so thats makes for a cheap date and great for me.
I have met at least one AW a month the last few months. I'm hoping more guys are disgusted with AW. Making it easier for guys like me. Thanks guys. And Keep looking else where.
TG. Just want to express my thanks and gratitude.
LittleTruths
01-08-11, 00:46
ThatGuy surely can sleep like a newborn baby at night, in the knowledge that we are not going to try and steal his women from him. .
ThatGuy865
01-08-11, 05:10
Capt. Au natural was horrific. After I stopped laughing. I almost lost my dinner. Good one!
According to this report, a very large part of AW is not interested in sex in the first place. However some guys brag that then can convince American girls into sex in 10-20 minutes. Is that true? Sounds more like BS. Otherwise, why would many people go for sex to other countries.
Conference Report. Third Annual Female Sexual Function Forum: Prevalence
Recent research suggests that a large number of US women are dissatisfied with some aspect of their sexual function. The USA National Health and Social Life Survey[4] of 1749 women aged 18-59 years reported a prevalence of sexual dysfunction of 43% for women. This figure was substantially higher than that found in the same survey for males (31%). A third of women lacked sexual interest, and nearly one fourth were unable to experience orgasm in the menopause. Twenty percent of women reported lubrication difficulties and 20% said they find sex not pleasurable. This high prevalence of sexual problems that can affect quality of life make these important areas of clinical concern.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/408933_2
Hairy Wonder
01-08-11, 18:48
That story is true. MTV used to have a show about spoiled American youth.MTV still airs this kind of BS everyday (I remember when they used to play music videos). The fact is that this little be*tch's attitude it the fault of her "We have too much money, and don't know what to do with it." parents. They have taught their "little angel" to expect anything that she wants, and to throw a fit like that when she doesn't get exactly what she wants exactly when she wants it. Unfortunately, most Americans don't have that kind of money to throw around. But MTV, and other channels are teaching the kids that this type of attitude is normal.
Prior to getting her license, my daughter once made the statement "Dad, you have to buy me a new car when I'm able to drive." She is now driving a clunker that I paid all of $900 for, and she knows that if she complains, I can always take the keys and sale it to someone else. I told her if she wants someone to buy a new car for her, she better find a very generous boyfriend. I'm pretty sure she got her idea from watching to many of those spoiled rich kid shows.
Hairy Wonder
01-08-11, 19:05
This is one more prime example that the morals and other highly valued human traits like integrity are being pushed into oblivion by these pro female laws. I wouldn't blame that guy if he ends up killing that, that's how fucked up this case and this society has become.
One question to the US men in here: why are all the men allowing these barbaric and female talebanic laws be passed in the first place? Why aren't the men in general doing a mass protest so that the laws be fairer and not heavily one sided in favor of the women? The most powerful people in the US are still male, so why don't they do anything to change that? I am lost for words to the level of how far this femanization of the US has gone. Most American boys are taught (mostly by their mothers) to be nice, couteous, and generous to girls. Somewhere along the line, the idea of the man being the head of the house has been lost to feminist ideals. Even on of the previous "most powerful" men in America, former President Bill Clinton, failed to call the shots in his own marriage. Everybody knows that Hillary was / is the one in charge. Most men in positions of authority in this country are P*ssy whipped into submission by their wives, and society at large. Even the celebrities fall prey to this BS. Look at what Tiger Woods recently went through.
America is loosing it's position as "the most powerful nation in the world," because of things like the women's rights and gay rights movements. All throughout industry in this country, there are the so called "equal rights" rules, which allow women to trump up false claims of sexual harassment, and get the guy fired, or possibly imprisoned without a chance of defending himself."Equal rights" should really be called what it actually stands for,"rights for everyone that thinks they have some claim to a minority group, but none for the straight, white guy."
Sorry if this offends anybody. But I have never been a fan of political correctness. Just my two cents worth.
HW
well, technically, not the first time. i had been to some strip clubs in san francisco many years ago where i got "extras" inside the club. but this was the first time responding to an online ad on another website; hint: the color of the book is red (sorry, jackson!). anyway, i'm back in the usa after living in asia the last couple of years and i'm probably going to be here for a while now; i was super horny so i thought i'd try domestic mongering out.
but before i begin this tale, let me preface it by saying mongering in america and mongering overseas are two completely different worlds; there's even a different language! for example, we here on the isg call it mongering, but ams call it hobbying. also, they call the girls "providers" or "massage therapists". everything is watered down and politically correct; it's almost like taking an r rated movie, taking out all the nudity and language, and turning it into a pg disney flick!
so, back to the story: i picked out a latina in her mid-20s on this red-colored book site. the two big mistakes i made: number 1, don't pick the girls that don't show their whole bodies! this chica had pics of her face, which was pretty, and her tits, which were huge, but that was it! no full body pic, and no pics of her ass. so, i had gotten a little suspicious, which brings me to mistake number 2: don't trust the online reviews that other ams leave for these girls! i wanted to see what other guys had said about this chica before i called her up, so i had a look, and with a couple exceptions, she had great reviews for both looks and service. but remember, these are reviews from ams; probably dudes like thatguy865. most of these guys probably give an "8" score just because she has a pussy and a pulse! they've probably never been overseas and have no idea what a proper woman looks / performs like.
anyways, i called her up and got directions to drive to her place. i could start to complain about how this country needs a proper public transportation system, but that's another rant for another post. i get there about five minutes early and do the "second call", and she's not even there yet, she's on her way. so, i'm sitting in my car like a moron, waiting for this chick to show up. finally, she texts me and says she's ready, so i walk up to the door. this whole time, i'm expecting cops to jump out of the bushes and bust my ass, but that never happened. i get to the door, knock, and she opens.
that's right boys, she was fat. it was the same girl, same pretty face and big tits, but yeah, she was chunky. i just stood there for a second, not sure what to do, but since i had driven out there, i decided to go through with it.
the moral of this tale, don't trust what other guys post about aws, they have no idea what they're talking about. also, being fat in this country seems to have become a normal occurance; i remember in the past that fat people were laughed at and ridiculed, but now i guess it's just a "lifestyle choice" in this country.
i think i'll just have to stick with porn and quick trips down to tijuana.
Australiasucks
01-09-11, 07:36
Most American boys are taught (mostly by their mothers) to be nice, couteous, and generous to girls. Somewhere along the line, the idea of the man being the head of the house has been lost to feminist ideals. Even on of the previous "most powerful" men in America, former President Bill Clinton, failed to call the shots in his own marriage. Everybody knows that Hillary was / is the one in charge. Most men in positions of authority in this country are P*ssy whipped into submission by their wives, and society at large. Even the celebrities fall prey to this BS. Look at what Tiger Woods recently went through.
America is loosing it's position as "the most powerful nation in the world," because of things like the women's rights and gay rights movements. All throughout industry in this country, there are the so called "equal rights" rules, which allow women to trump up false claims of sexual harassment, and get the guy fired, or possibly imprisoned without a chance of defending himself."Equal rights" should really be called what it actually stands for,"rights for everyone that thinks they have some claim to a minority group, but none for the straight, white guy."
Sorry if this offends anybody. But I have never been a fan of political correctness. Just my two cents worth.
HWYou hit the nail on the head, modern American society is feminizing men to the point that they can longer lead a society. The masculine alpha male is all but extinct, we see it everywhere, in business, in sports, in politics. The current President of the US exemplifies this feminization, Michelle Obama seems to wear the pants in the White House. I think this is happening in many other Western nations, more effiminate males make a society weaker.
You never see this kind of nonsense in Asian societies, hence why Asia is coming up in the world while the West continues to sink into the Abyss.
No way can you get an AW to have sex in 20 minutes unless you are P4P. They all want to be wined and dined. Maybe in the 70s but not now unless you are a 19 yo stud banging a 19 yo chick on coke or something.
According to this report, a very large part of AW is not interested in sex in the first place. However some guys brag that then can convince American girls into sex in 10-20 minutes. Is that true? Sounds more like BS. Otherwise, why would many people go for sex to other countries.
Conference Report. Third Annual Female Sexual Function Forum: Prevalence
Recent research suggests that a large number of US women are dissatisfied with some aspect of their sexual function. The USA National Health and Social Life Survey[4] of 1749 women aged 18-59 years reported a prevalence of sexual dysfunction of 43% for women. This figure was substantially higher than that found in the same survey for males (31%). A third of women lacked sexual interest, and nearly one fourth were unable to experience orgasm in the menopause. Twenty percent of women reported lubrication difficulties and 20% said they find sex not pleasurable. This high prevalence of sexual problems that can affect quality of life make these important areas of clinical concern.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/408933_2
I am going to San Jose (CA) in a couple of months. But no USA section on this site! Not sure why, but where do I get the info then for California?
I am amazed the figures are that low!
I am amazed the figures are that low!Do you think the numbers for AW with sexual dysfunction should be even higher?
"women aged 18-59 years reported a prevalence of sexual dysfunction of 43% for women."
I am going to San Jose (CA) in a couple of months. But no USA section on this site! Not sure why, but where do I get the info then for California?Commking, have you checked out www.usasexguide.info? It's another of Jackson's sites.
You just can't make this stuff up!
A Florida woman was charged with aggravated battery and was taken to the Marion County Jail, where she was released on $10, 000 bond early Sunday morning. Her boyfriend was transported to Shands at the University of Florida in Gainesville with serious injuries. His condition Sunday was unknown.
A witness said a fight had broken out and the she threw gasoline at the poor SOB private area and lit him on fire.
When deputies arrived at the scene, the boyfriend, who smelled of gasoline, was kneeling in the yard, covered in a blanket. He had second and third-degree burns on his genital area and torso. He could not respond because he was in pain (you think!). Deputies called for emergency medical services, which transported him to Shands. http://www.gainesville.com/article/20110109/ARTICLES/110109552/1169?p=1&tc=pg
"Equal rights" should really be called what it actually stands for,"rights for everyone that thinks they have some claim to a minority group, but none for the straight, white guy."
Sorry if this offends anybody. But I have never been a fan of political correctness. Just my two cents worth.
HWHey Hairy Wonder, I agree with most of what you said and I also admire your un-political correctness. However, as a member of a minority group (hispanic) I have to say that if it's going that bad for the straight, white guy then what living chance in hell do we, straight, colored guys have in Sex Prison USA? I don't mean to start any quarrels here or anything like that, but I just thought that if anyone really had a better chance at things in this country, it was white guys (of all stripes and walks of life). It's you guys that I mostly see on tv, movies, music bands, etc. Usually, also, playing the role of the smart ones, the saviors, the superheroes, the bad asses, etc. But hey, you guys are the last line of defense we, all straight (regardless of skin color) guys have in this feminazi-dominate country. Funny thing is that throughout most of my travels in Latin America, I notice how much you white, (regardless of sexual orientation) guys are so looked-up upon. The treatment you guys receive over there is far better than anything I can imagine for myself, in spite of being originally from there as well. So go figure, how much of a chance can I have in what still remains of this great nation? Dunno, it's tough as nails. That's all I can say. Regardless of my (ongoing) higher education and how I carry myself out, all the stereotypes apply to me. It's like I'm guilty of everything before proven innocent. At least you white guys (usually) don't have that extra burden to worry about (and thankfully so!). But once I know you guys don't represent anything in your own country, then I will definitely know it's time for me to jump ship and head south of the border. Just my two-centavos worth, mi amigo!
allow me to also contribute something useful to this board:
here's a link to a speech given by some lady i had not heard of before. hanna rosin. on cnn. i highly recommend watching the 16 minute video. how insane and crazy are things becoming for us men? she points out some interesting observations, though. regardless of whether we agree with her or not. i could care less for her and for what she stands for, but she does shed light on some interesting points. most of the stuff has been discussed in this forum before i. e. women are graduating from college at higher rates than men, women are starting to earn more money than men, etc.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/opinion/01/11/rosin.ted.women.men/index.html?hpt=c2
enjoy!
allow me to also contribute something useful to this board:
here's a link to a speech given by some lady i had not heard of before. hanna rosin. on cnn. i highly recommend watching the 16 minute video. how insane and crazy are things becoming for us men? she points out some interesting observations, though. regardless of whether we agree with her or not. i could care less for her and for what she stands for, but she does shed light on some interesting points. most of the stuff has been discussed in this forum before i. e. women are graduating from college at higher rates than men, women are starting to earn more money than men, etc.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/opinion/01/11/rosin.ted.women.men/index.html?hpt=c2
enjoy! same ol same ol but articles like this reinforce those observations. women and gay men are getting ahead because most people want them to get ahead. the boring straight guy with a good education no longer has a place in modern pop culture. not even as a bread winner or a sperm donator. the so called change in gender roles is the perfect platform from which to argue that change happens if you *persist. if man is / was the symbolism of strength and prosperity then he needs to fall to make things better for those perceived as weaker.
most problems bestowed upon people are intentional. done so by other people with the intent to cause harm and / or damage. there are natural disasters but none as great as what man does to man. these days the multitude has decided that now is the time for women and gay men to rise while the average guy who has oppressed the two for so long must suffer. there is no escaping it. it is what the majority of society wants. now is not the time for average straight males. at least not in this part of the world. like everything else you either conform or suffer the consequences.
there it is gentlemen. it's all been dictated to you by countless articles tv shows gurus and bitches with beards.
there is nothing you can do but make your own way. otherwise your destiny has already been decided for you.
Most problems bestowed upon people are intentional. Done so by other people with the intent to cause harm and / or damage. There are natural disasters but none as great as what man does to man. These days the multitude has decided that now is the time for women and gay men to rise while the average guy who has oppressed the two for so long must suffer. There is no escaping it. It is what the majority of society wants. Now is NOT the time for average straight males. At least not in this part of the world. Like everything else you either conform or suffer the consequences.
There it is gentlemen. It's all been dictated to you by countless articles tv shows gurus and bitches with beards.
There is nothing you can do but make your own way. Otherwise your destiny has already been decided for you. Amen to that, Artisttyp. Amen to that, my brother! What I find most interesting is how these discussions are being carried out in the mainstream media. It is also reflected upon the many shows, movies and reality made-for-tv BS that we are so bombarded with every day of our lives. Even internationally, such stuff is starting to seep to the surface. Though not as bad as it takes place here, though. And hopefully never will it become anywhere near as bad too. Hopefully! I suppose we all find great relief in knowing there are still places in the world where men are still men and thankfully, women are just as feminine, sweet and beautiful as ever.
My theory all along has been that it would take some mayor world-altering event to reverse the course of things as they are now in this still great nation. Dunno, something in the lines of the announcement of some gigantic meteor coming our way hell-bent set on obliterating us to pieces and AW realizing that they had not lived their lives as women the world over were meant to live theirs. And then having a change of heart in becoming the feminine, sweet and beautiful women they too deserve to be and all of a sudden also realizing that they outnumber us and that they will have to do nothing else but open up to us and woo us and share us with the rest of the AWs and Americanized / Westernized women in this country. Much the same way women in other countries / parts of the world currently have to do. And then, wait. I'm almost done. The meteor would steer off course and miss us and we remain to live in this still great planet with AW that will with no doubt return to their troll ways but at least for some time (hopefully the meteor would takes years to hit us LOL!) we can live in sexual bliss without the need of travelling overseas. Now, wouldn't that be swell? Peace!
imo, women as competitors* to men, within the same family as husband and wife (or even dating) is killing the usa along with the rote greed and exorbitant wage ratios of our major and nefarious ceos. add to that a welfare system that reinforces laziness, illegitimate children and stupidity it is a wonder the entire usa has not gone bankrupt. in 10 years i am moving to the pi to find a traditional. supportive wife.
*women as competitors to men destroys families whereas women as cooperators with their chosen man builds a strong family. i want nothing to do with any woman who brags about her income and achievements (while her husband and kids are neglected and rejected). i am not saying that women should not work, or even make good money. i am saying their priority should be their husband first and kids second, then the frickin job.
allow me to also contribute something useful to this board:
here's a link to a speech given by some lady i had not heard of before. hanna rosin. on cnn. i highly recommend watching the 16 minute video. how insane and crazy are things becoming for us men? she points out some interesting observations, though. regardless of whether we agree with her or not. i could care less for her and for what she stands for, but she does shed light on some interesting points. most of the stuff has been discussed in this forum before i. e. women are graduating from college at higher rates than men, women are starting to earn more money than men, etc.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/opinion/01/11/rosin.ted.women.men/index.html?hpt=c2
enjoy!
Australiasucks
01-12-11, 23:02
I am going to San Jose (CA) in a couple of months. But no USA section on this site! Not sure why, but where do I get the info then for California?Have you been paying attention to the comments made by the many American men on this forum regarding American women? Punting in America is a waste of time and money, and its also illegal. I would avoid searching for prostitutes in the US unless you want to wind up in prison or arrested.
I lived in the US for a bit, I have to say it was the most asexual time of my life, practically lost interest in women, it had nothing to do with age but the kind of women that most American females are, then seeing the rest of the world woke me up. Women outside of North America are a much different breed.
California? LOL. Let me give you advice my friend, save your money, go to Mexico instead.
Bango Cheito
01-13-11, 07:11
IMO, women as competitors* to men, within the same family as husband and wife (or even dating) is killing the USA along with the rote greed and exorbitant wage ratios of our major and nefarious CEOs. Add to that a welfare system that reinforces laziness, illegitimate children and stupidity it is a wonder the entire USA has not gone bankrupt. In 10 years I am moving to the PI to find a traditional. Supportive wife.
*Women as competitors to men destroys families whereas women as cooperators with their chosen man builds a strong family. I want nothing to do with any woman who brags about her income and achievements (while her husband and kids are neglected and rejected). I am not saying that women should not work, or even make good money. I am saying their priority should be their HUSBAND first and kids second, then the frickin job. Women, like blacks in the USA, have come to the party a day late and a dollar short. What does it matter that they do a little better on the job market when the whole country is going economically down the shithole?
She was a dead fish right from the get go! It could have happened to any of us.....
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/01/13/2011-01-13_man_charged_with_necrophilia_insists_he_didnt_know_she_was_dead_cops.html
Have you been paying attention to the comments made by the many American men on this forum regarding American women? Punting in America is a waste of time and money, and its also illegal. I would avoid searching for prostitutes in the US unless you want to wind up in prison or arrested.
I lived in the US for a bit, I have to say it was the most asexual time of my life, practically lost interest in women, it had nothing to do with age but the kind of women that most American females are, then seeing the rest of the world woke me up. Women outside of North America are a much different breed.
California? LOL. Let me give you advice my friend, save your money, go to Mexico instead. Long time ago when I visited a Friend in San Diego, CA I asked locals what to do there and what was good about SD. All of them were saying "the only good thing about San Diego is that it is close to Tijuana Mexico", and in order not to waste time and money I should go to Tijuana.
Australiasucks
01-14-11, 07:39
Women, like blacks in the USA, have come to the party a day late and a dollar short. What does it matter that they do a little better on the job market when the whole country is going economically down the shithole?African Americans sure have come to the party a day late and a dollar short, but white women have been enjoying the latter part of the party that is ending. I lived in the US during the 1990s and being a white female and reasonably attractive gave you a shitload of social and career mobility. I knew many who slept their way to the top.
Now America is going down the shithole totally. I have no idea why people think there is a recovery coming, its over for America.
DJ FourMoney
01-14-11, 11:06
Women, like blacks in the USA, have come to the party a day late and a dollar short. What does it matter that they do a little better on the job market when the whole country is going economically down the shithole?True and in a sense we might finally be moving toward that leisure economy that computers and machines have long promised us. Maybe many of us "Men" wouldn't mind staying home with the kids if you could still do "manly" things, like work / build cars, upgrade the home, play sports at a high level, things still largely "foreign" to women.
In fact I have long thought I retire a bit early (50) and see the kids through the most troubling point in their lives; being a teenager.
I find these dynamics interesting.
EU has a much better work to life ratio than the US, yet.
The EU generally has the aging population, youth flight, shrinking child birth statistics and waiting long to get married / start a family.
There has been a trend starting with Gen X and hitting high gear with Gen Y that as a woman, she will go to school, get an degree, start her career, move up to a management position by her early 30's and THEN look for a mate to have children with.
Now however, if that proves difficult (finding a suitable mate) , then the alternative is artificial insemination, buy sperm from a donor (dumb asses or egoistical males only do this) or get knocked up by a random but attractive man with no intention of letting him know he has a child.
The question of the 90's and previous decade was.
Do women need men? The answer is NO.
The question over the next decade or at least until our economy returns and it will, baring natural disasters.
Do women even want men (in their lives)? The answer for a majority of women, NO.
I going to start refraining from talking about marriage and children in this particular thread because not many are interested in the subject matter and rather rant and rave about American women being poor choices, when all of us know that already.
@DCups, AFA has some Flips with huge tits on their web site you might want to check that out.
LittleTruths
01-14-11, 21:23
There has been a trend starting with Gen X and hitting high gear with Gen Y that as a woman, she will go to school, get an degree, start her career, move up to a management position by her early 30's and THEN look for a mate to have children with.
Now however, if that proves difficult (finding a suitable mate) , then the alternative is artificial insemination, buy sperm from a donor (dumb asses or egoistical males only do this) or get knocked up by a random but attractive man with no intention of letting him know he has a child.
Males? Really?
What about the egoistical woman that at one point just deides she HAS to give birth to a baby even tho she hasn't managed to build around her (and most importantly, around the upcoming baby) an environment suitable for the upbringing of a child?
As a rule of thumb, children need two parents.
Single parenting is a failure IMO, even tho, it is surely better to have only one (good) parent rather than having one of the two being a disfunctional individual.
Makes me wonder, a woman that hasn't succeeded in finding a man that'd bother sticking around with her, how functional can that be? I guess she either has to be a saint (too good for this world) or, most probably, a kunt.
Don't forget, Litletruths, how much government support a single mother receives in North America. If she gets knocked up, and knows the father and can fleece him for support, she will get that, receives non-taxable benefit cheques from the government, and health care and other costs covered. Given that total support, I once calculated that a single mom of 2 with support would have to earn about 40k a year to even come close to matching what she receives in support and benefits. She can always do cash work on the side (babysitting for example) , which even more reduces the need for a man. If she gets horny she can always call some f*buddy, or use a dildo or something
Lets face it they are prison wardens for the sex prison. Love it when they give me a 2 week pass to get out of the prison and visit other parts of the world.
LittleTruths
01-14-11, 22:48
Don't forget, Litletruths, how much government support a single mother receives in North America. If she gets knocked up, and knows the father and can fleece him for support, she will get that, receives non-taxable benefit cheques from the government, and health care and other costs covered. Given that total support, I once calculated that a single mom of 2 with support would have to earn about 40k a year to even come close to matching what she receives in support and benefits. She can always do cash work on the side (babysitting for example) , which even more reduces the need for a man. If she gets horny she can always call some f*buddy, or use a dildo or somethingWell, in line of principle it is admirable that a single mom can count on substantial support from the community so that she can raise her children. It is in the best interest of the little ones that she receives support, isn't it? I find it hard to believe that anyone would be cool with knowing that the kids next door live in poverty because daddy one day told mommy he was going out to buy sigarettes and never came back. So I guess it's fair to say that there is nothing wrong with it. Still tho, life being what it is, there are wrong twists in just about anything; for instance, the woman giving birth to different kids by different men so that she can then collect from them as much money as possible and doesn't ever have to work anymore but still wear expensive designer clothes and take her time to wh0re around.
Bango Cheito
01-15-11, 06:50
Males? Really?
What about the egoistical woman that at one point just deides she HAS to give birth to a baby even tho she hasn't managed to build around her (and most importantly, around the upcoming baby) an environment suitable for the upbringing of a child?
As a rule of thumb, children need two parents.
Single parenting is a failure IMO, even tho, it is surely better to have only one (good) parent rather than having one of the two being a disfunctional individual.
Makes me wonder, a woman that hasn't succeeded in finding a man that'd bother sticking around with her, how functional can that be? I guess she either has to be a saint (too good for this world) or, most probably, a kunt. I dunno what is supposed to be "a suitable environment for a child".
Do people still believe that religious bullshit nonsense about mother father kiddies and a little picket fence? I don't think we were any better off in the 1950s or a century ago than now. We just swept more problems under the rug.
Furthermore, I doubt there's a single person EVER going to read this who can honestly say if they had their pick of VARIETY of beautiful women, they'd leave it to settle down with just one. Anybody who says that is lying to their own selves.
LittleTruths
01-15-11, 15:16
I dunno what is supposed to be "a suitable environment for a child".
Do people still believe that religious bullshit nonsense about mother father kiddies and a little picket fence? I don't think we were any better off in the 1950s or a century ago than now. We just swept more problems under the rug. So do you think that "single mom that works, nanny and little picket fence" would be just as good for a kid as "mommy, daddy, kiddies and a little picket fence" would be?
Personally I am not fond on single parenting. Forget religion, we're not talking religion here, but I do believe that the optimal environment for the upbringing of a child would be "mommy daddy kiddies little picket fence" as you put it. I say this from first-hand experience, that is what I think and that's what it is. Then again, having a single parent is no Greek tragedy, but still it's not as good as having both parents as it should be.
Furthermore, I doubt there's a single person EVER going to read this who can honestly say if they had their pick of VARIETY of beautiful women, they'd leave it to settle down with just one. Anybody who says that is lying to their own selves.Well, in my experience life is seldom if ever either black or white but there are endless shades of grey you can pick from and make yourself comfortable in.
Bless
I dunno what is supposed to be "a suitable environment for a child". Do people still believe that religious bullshit nonsense about mother father kiddies and a little picket fence? I don't think we were any better off in the 1950s or a century ago than now. We just swept more problems under the rug.I don't know anything about your upbringing, Bango, but I was raised by a single mom, and it was no damned picnic for her or for me. There were plenty of times when I wished I'd had a father in the house, and times after I was grown when I wished she'd had a husband with her to share "the golden years." But I also acknowledge that a mommy-and-daddy household is no guarantee of a "Leave It To Beaver" idyll, either; and love's a stuff that won't endure, not without both husband and wife working on it consistently.
Furthermore, I doubt there's a single person EVER going to read this who can honestly say if they had their pick of VARIETY of beautiful women, they'd leave it to settle down with just one. Anybody who says that is lying to their own selves.Maybe so. But I would "leave it to settle down with just one" if I had a child with that one, because I'd want that child to grow up with the "daddy" that I didn't have. I believe I would be man enough to put the welfare of my child ahead of my own promiscuous pleasures- "That's right, I said it!" as Mark Levin would rasp.
Now that I'm old and disillusioned, though, and single and childless of course, I won't START a family because I doubt if I'd survive the brats' teenagerhood. Besides, I figure it's time for me to enjoy my own damn selfish and promiscuous pleasures. See ya in Medellin (when I get up to that level), or wherever...
LittleTruths
01-15-11, 19:33
Fair enough Westy, I agree with what you said.
Bless
ThatGuy865
01-16-11, 01:29
Furthermore, I doubt there's a single person EVER going to read this who can honestly say if they had their pick of VARIETY of beautiful women, they'd leave it to settle down with just one. Anybody who says that is lying to their own selves.Can you explain why so many rich and famous do. They have the pick of VARIETY of beautiful women. As you say.
Can you name one Rich person, or rock star, who hasnt married. Some stay married for long times at that. And a lot, even when they do divorce they get married again.
Evidently many guys get tired of just having sex. For the sake of just having sex.
There are more rich and famous guys who opt for the so called "picket fence" life style. Than the charlie sheen lifestyle.
Bango Cheito
01-16-11, 20:34
Can you explain why so many rich and famous do. They have the pick of VARIETY of beautiful women. As you say.
Can you name one Rich person, or rock star, who hasnt married. Some stay married for long times at that. And a lot, even when they do divorce they get married again.
Evidently many guys get tired of just having sex. For the sake of just having sex.
There are more rich and famous guys who opt for the so called "picket fence" life style. Than the charlie sheen lifestyle. They DON'T. They're pretty much ALL fucking around, almost down to the last person. ESPECIALLY in the music business. Do I know even ONE musician who is married and not cheating on his or her spouse? Honestly I can say I do not. Well, maybe one, but that depends on how you define "musician". I honestly don't think the rest of the population is much different actually. It's in our very core to crave variety. We need to make a society that actually recognizes that instead of stuffing us into some mold that doesn't fit us.
The difference between Charlie Sheen, who I actually have had the occasion to meet a couple times, and others is that Mr. Sheen has absolutely totally ZERO discretion. But he hardly has the patent on that sort of lifestyle. Most of us are just as libertine but a little bit less likely to pass out on the floor of the girl's bathroom.
Bango Cheito
01-16-11, 20:36
So do you think that "single mom that works, nanny and little picket fence" would be just as good for a kid as "mommy, daddy, kiddies and a little picket fence" would be?
Personally I am not fond on single parenting. Forget religion, we're not talking religion here, but I do believe that the optimal environment for the upbringing of a child would be "mommy daddy kiddies little picket fence" as you put it. I say this from first-hand experience, that is what I think and that's what it is. Then again, having a single parent is no Greek tragedy, but still it's not as good as having both parents as it should be.
Well, in my experience life is seldom if ever either black or white but there are endless shades of grey you can pick from and make yourself comfortable in.
BlessMy personal opinion, the whole nuclear family concept is rotten and needs to be thrown out, single OR double parent lifestyle. We just need to group ourselves differently, perhaps with the greater society taking more COLLECTIVE responsibility for the kids. But not in a nanny-state sort of way.
LittleTruths
01-17-11, 01:13
My personal opinion, the whole nuclear family concept is rotten and needs to be thrown out, single OR double parent lifestyle. We just need to group ourselves differently, perhaps with the greater society taking more COLLECTIVE responsibility for the kids. But not in a nanny-state sort of way.Utopia is one nice concept Bango, and lucky is the man who can afford to entertain such idealism in this world that we're living in which is far more rotten than the "nuclear family" you refer to.
Bless
ThatGuy865
01-17-11, 02:03
They DON'T. They're pretty much ALL fucking around, almost down to the last person. ESPECIALLY in the music business. Do I know even ONE musician who is married and not cheating on his or her spouse? Honestly I can say I do not. Well, maybe one, but that depends on how you define "musician". I honestly don't think the rest of the population is much different actually. It's in our very core to crave variety. We need to make a society that actually recognizes that instead of stuffing us into some mold that doesn't fit us.
The difference between Charlie Sheen, who I actually have had the occasion to meet a couple times, and others is that Mr. Sheen has absolutely totally ZERO discretion. But he hardly has the patent on that sort of lifestyle. Most of us are just as libertine but a little bit less likely to pass out on the floor of the girl's bathroom. Fucking around or not. One doesn't know for sure and even if they are. To what level. Once a month, twice a year, . Which neither of us knows for suire.
But one thing we do know for sure. They MARRY. Which is contrary to what you stated because to marry means You are telling someone that you are settling down with just them.
I doubt there's a single person EVER going to read this who can honestly say if they had their pick of VARIETY of beautiful women, they'd leave it to settle down with just one. Anybody who says that is lying to their own selves.
My personal opinion, the whole nuclear family concept is rotten and needs to be thrown out, single OR double parent lifestyle. We just need to group ourselves differently, perhaps with the greater society taking more COLLECTIVE responsibility for the kids. But not in a nanny-state sort of way.I have to go along with Littletruths on this comment, BC. It's a lovely Utopian idea, but this ain't utopia where we're living.
My first worry would be, who do you define as "the greater society" that is supposed to take "more collective responsibility for the kids"? The extended family, uncles and aunts and cousins and grandparennts pitching in? The neighborhood? The schools? The religious organizations? Something on the order of round-the-clock day care centers? The local or municipal government?
I do, in my core, believe that a child's parents are the best caretakers the child can have. Beyond that, I believe that a child's needs are met better in a FAMILY group than in any non-family system I can envision.
But does that limit the options to "nuclear family"? Not necessarily! View the "extended family" as a starter: consider the situation you have where grandparents, uncles & aunts, and cousins live in the same neighborhood, and their homes are open to the kids as well. That worked for our species since, well, forever, you might say. But you are still talking about a small group, bonded together by shared ancestors.
Would "clan marriages" or "line marriages" be a workable alternative? Robert A. Heinlein described such in a couple of his books; two that I recall particularly well are Friday And The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress. (The main character and "narrator" of that second book, Manuel O'Kelly Davis, is a member of a "line marriage" family that had been going for a century or more. Heinlein's narratives of life in the Davis Family, interleaved into an exciting tale about the Moon's revolt against its penal-colony "Authority" back on Earth, leaves me wishing I could be found worthy to marry into a line-marriage family like that.)
I believe the cardinal purpose of marriage is to provide for the welfare of the children. The nuclear family works pretty well at that; I believe it's better than those alternatives that are found in today's society. Could we hatch out something better, like a small group of men and women marrying "all together" (polygyny and polyandry all together under the same roof) to earn the Big Family's living and raise their brood all together? Could it work?
Getting back to the title of this thread, does anyone here believe that "The American Woman" would put up with it?
Bango Cheito
01-17-11, 05:54
I have to go along with Littletruths on this comment, BC. It's a lovely Utopian idea, but this ain't utopia where we're living.
My first worry would be, who do you define as "the greater society" that is supposed to take "more collective responsibility for the kids"? The extended family, uncles and aunts and cousins and grandparennts pitching in? The neighborhood? The schools? The religious organizations? Something on the order of round-the-clock day care centers? The local or municipal government?
I do, in my core, believe that a child's parents are the best caretakers the child can have. Beyond that, I believe that a child's needs are met better in a FAMILY group than in any non-family system I can envision.
But does that limit the options to "nuclear family"? Not necessarily! View the "extended family" as a starter: consider the situation you have where grandparents, uncles & aunts, and cousins live in the same neighborhood, and their homes are open to the kids as well. That worked for our species since, well, forever, you might say. But you are still talking about a small group, bonded together by shared ancestors.
Would "clan marriages" or "line marriages" be a workable alternative? Robert A. Heinlein described such in a couple of his books; two that I recall particularly well are Friday And The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress. (The main character and "narrator" of that second book, Manuel O'Kelly Davis, is a member of a "line marriage" family that had been going for a century or more. Heinlein's narratives of life in the Davis Family, interleaved into an exciting tale about the Moon's revolt against its penal-colony "Authority" back on Earth, leaves me wishing I could be found worthy to marry into a line-marriage family like that.)
I believe the cardinal purpose of marriage is to provide for the welfare of the children. The nuclear family works pretty well at that; I believe it's better than those alternatives that are found in today's society. Could we hatch out something better, like a small group of men and women marrying "all together" (polygyny and polyandry all together under the same roof) to earn the Big Family's living and raise their brood all together? Could it work?
Getting back to the title of this thread, does anyone here believe that "The American Woman" would put up with it? Good post.
I personally think that the MOTHER is important in the child's life, there's a certain bond there that can't be ignored. I don't think the same thing happens with the father. I'm very important in my kids lives but it's because of how I relate to them (trust and confidence) more than biology. Just an opinion.
Thatguy, never mind the times I have been TOLD about it, because I don't trust what comes out of folk's mouths, but how many times do I have to be called to be asked to give an alibi because a friend is cheating, or how many times have I seen photos and videos, or even been there or even PARTICIPATED. In order to draw the conclusions I draw? I have done all of the above enough to realize that maybe 1 out of 1000 marriages is truly a monogamous relationship. Marriages are entered into by two people with the idea of taking advantage of each other, and showing each other off as trophies. For status reasons. Certainly NOT for love, that's just a fake bullshit notion. Real like has never worked that way, that shit only happens in cheap Harlequien books.
LittleTruths
01-17-11, 10:52
Getting back to the title of this thread, does anyone here believe that "The American Woman" would put up with it?"American Woman" here being the epitome of how horribly wrong and repulsive it can get, but sadly not limited to US citizens only. Nope, they wouldn't put up with it and neither would I, it just wouldn't work. If men's ultimate goal is to fornicate with as many women as one can, then you don't really need to embrace any emotional and sexual socialism. You can still set up a nuclear family and have with your wife the kind of arrangement that suits the both of you best. I have seen some examples of swinger-parents nuclear households that semed to work pretty well as they kept evrybody satisfied and properly catered for.
On a side note, it may be time to start a new thread on women in general as this "AW" seems to be a bit tight, perhaps "Women, relationships, kids" would do?
Bless
Last summer, I was canoeing with my brother in the Ozarks, and we saw a couple in the river.
The husband was a white dude, looked maybe retired military, early to mid 50s, and his wife was a filipina, mid- to late 30s. Both were in shape, and the wife reached into the cooler to had the hub a beer.
Said to my bro,"I want that dude's life."
Recounted this story to a white American female coworker, and she said,"Yeah, but maybe she's a real ***** when they get home." 'Course, my coworker has more gut than butt and tits the size of pig ears, and she's mostly ***** in behavior, though she in her mind, she'll always get the blue ribbon at the 4-H fair.
As much as I enjoy pussy, I'm essentially programmed as a monogamous guy. In other words, if I'm treated well sexually and just in regards to basic etiquette, I'm fairly happy.
Given that, I think that I wouldn't want to cheat on a woman if I were married. Don't like to complicate my life like that. But if I got snared in a marriage that was quickly celibate and financially trapping, I'd take every chance at new trim I so desired.
David Lee Roth and Billy "Fucking" Idol are two. Both have proudly tagged probably several thousands of hot chicks over their long careers but they never seemed to tire of it.
Can you explain why so many rich and famous do. They have the pick of VARIETY of beautiful women. As you say.
Can you name one Rich person, or rock star, who hasnt married. Some stay married for long times at that. And a lot, even when they do divorce they get married again.
Evidently many guys get tired of just having sex. For the sake of just having sex.
There are more rich and famous guys who opt for the so called "picket fence" life style. Than the charlie sheen lifestyle.
Hello, fellows,
Here are pictures of my last girlfriend, we parted recently.
She is Ukrainian but has been living (illegally) in the USA for the last 12 years. She is now hunting for a western visa.
American life has spoiled her, and after a few encounters, she started to act like a typical American Woman.
She tried to milk as much money from me as she could ("honey, I need a new cellular, can you buy me a plane ticket, etc"). So I classify her in the category of non-pro w*hores, and she deserves to have her pictures in this forum.
She is 33 years old, a former model and dancer with a great body. She does absolutely everything (BBBJ, deep throat, anal) , but is generally passive in bed.
She is completely self-centered. Only her little person matters. She is now the complete opposite of the other Ukrainian women I have met.
Regards.
..................and your problem with her is?
She gives you anal, BBBJ, deep throats your stick, does everything per your words and you're complaining. This chick looks better than 99. 99% of AW! If all she's asking for is a cellphone and a plane ticket you really have nothing to complain about my friend. How many American women are interested in sex, much less giving you a BBBJ and anal.
Hello, fellows,
Here are pictures of my last girlfriend, we parted recently.
She is Ukrainian but has been living (illegally) in the USA for the last 12 years. She is now hunting for a western visa.
American life has spoiled her, and after a few encounters, she started to act like a typical American Woman.
She tried to milk as much money from me as she could ("honey, I need a new cellular, can you buy me a plane ticket, etc"). So I classify her in the category of non-pro w*hores, and she deserves to have her pictures in this forum.
She is 33 years old, a former model and dancer with a great body. She does absolutely everything (BBBJ, deep throat, anal) , but is generally passive in bed.
She is completely self-centered. Only her little person matters. She is now the complete opposite of the other Ukrainian women I have met.
Regards.
Bango Cheito
01-18-11, 06:04
. And your problem with her is?
She gives you anal, BBBJ, deep throats your stick, does everything per your words and you're complaining. This chick looks better than 99. 99% of AW! If all she's asking for is a cellphone and a plane ticket you really have nothing to complain about my friend. How many American women are interested in sex, much less giving you a BBBJ and anal. If she's materially interested in him, she should be treated like a professional. I don't see what's wrong with that.
I'm not down with the idea that just because a woman has a vagina a man should financially support her. If that's the way they want to play the game, then it can be cash for sex, but the terms have to be 100% clear otherwise as a man you WILL find yourself taken advantage of. And the moment it ceases to be a good deal for you, WALK!
Even the most loving relationship should be reciprocal, and not one-sided in any one particular area.
....................BUT isn't that the problem with most relationships, we have to pay for it one way or other. The p4p scenario is more straightforward, you pay, you fuck, you leave.
If she's materially interested in him, she should be treated like a professional. I don't see what's wrong with that.
I'm not down with the idea that just because a woman has a vagina a man should financially support her. If that's the way they want to play the game, then it can be cash for sex, but the terms have to be 100% clear otherwise as a man you WILL find yourself taken advantage of. And the moment it ceases to be a good deal for you, WALK!
Even the most loving relationship should be reciprocal, and not one-sided in any one particular area.
....................BUT isn't that the problem with most relationships, we have to pay for it one way or other. The p4p scenario is more straightforward, you pay, you fuck, you leave.I agree completely. A straight paid provider is always cheaper than a girlfriend, especially of the shark type.
When I compute the ratio fucking hours / dollars that I had with her, I get scared.
What you do not get with a paid provider however, is the romantic game. Plus the fact that it was all bareback.
If she's materially interested in him, she should be treated like a professional. I don't see what's wrong with that.
I'm not down with the idea that just because a woman has a vagina a man should financially support her. If that's the way they want to play the game, then it can be cash for sex, but the terms have to be 100% clear otherwise as a man you WILL find yourself taken advantage of. And the moment it ceases to be a good deal for you, WALK!
Even the most loving relationship should be reciprocal, and not one-sided in any one particular area. This girl is from another ountry living in US illegally. Her motivation is either find a husband to make her legal or make enough money by milking her boyfriends and go back.
What is wrong with protecting her interests? Even the legal American girlfriends are expensive keep up proposition sometimes. But there are women out there who do not expect anything and do support their boyfriends in need.
Generally these happen when you are young. Older people have no chance of getting into the pants of a young girl without money or expensive gifts.
DJ FourMoney
01-18-11, 21:36
DJ, what's AFA, please? Many thanks.A Foreign Affair
DJ FourMoney
01-18-11, 21:42
Males? Really?
What about the egoistical woman that at one point just deides she HAS to give birth to a baby even tho she hasn't managed to build around her (and most importantly, around the upcoming baby) an environment suitable for the upbringing of a child?
As a rule of thumb, children need two parents.
Single parenting is a failure IMO, even tho, it is surely better to have only one (good) parent rather than having one of the two being a disfunctional individual.
Makes me wonder, a woman that hasn't succeeded in finding a man that'd bother sticking around with her, how functional can that be? I guess she either has to be a saint (too good for this world) or, most probably, a kunt. Hey I don't agree with it, it just happens and its all over the media.
Women after 35 have greater risk for birth defects, from mild to Down's Syndrome.
A child should have both parents. Its a woman's selfishness, she can't find a man because she's overlooking suitable men, just that simple.
Here's something to chew on.
It's not a new theory: As women progress in educational and professional opportunities, their odds of finding a committed man appear to go down. Women in their 40s and 50s have long heard this, but new research finds it's true for women just entering adulthood as well...
Men Have Upper Hand in Sexual Economy (http://pagingdrgupta.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/18/men-have-upper-hand-in-sexual-economy/?hpt=C2)
-Helpmann :)
Here's something to chew on.
It's not a new theory: As women progress in educational and professional opportunities, their odds of finding a committed man appear to go down. Women in their 40s and 50s have long heard this, but new research finds it's true for women just entering adulthood as well.
Men Have Upper Hand in Sexual Economy (http://pagingdrgupta.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/18/men-have-upper-hand-in-sexual-economy/?hpt=C2)
-Helpmann. My only problem with this "upper hand" theory is when I reflect on the number of American women who have, in effect, told me to take that upper hand of mine and go jerk myself off with it.
Of course "it's still the guy's fault" when the bright, capable young women can't find a suitable mate.
Bango Cheito
01-19-11, 06:49
This girl is from another ountry living in US illegally. Her motivation is either find a husband to make her legal or make enough money by milking her boyfriends and go back.
What is wrong with protecting her interests? Even the legal American girlfriends are expensive keep up proposition sometimes. But there are women out there who do not expect anything and do support their boyfriends in need.
Generally these happen when you are young. Older people have no chance of getting into the pants of a young girl without money or expensive gifts. Obviously the older and more physically deteriorated you are, the more important money becomes in dealing with the opposite sex. Nobody in their right mind would argue that.
I'm just saying, if it's between having a gold-digging GF and p4p I will choose the p4p any day of the year. If those are my two options I know clearly where I stand. If I have to choose between p4p and a girl who really wants to be in a serious relationship with me and will pull her own weight, well, who knows if such a girl really exists.
Obviously the older and more physically deteriorated you are, the more important money becomes in dealing with the opposite sex. Nobody in their right mind would argue that.I would disagree, why would any guy in their right mind be willing to spend money on a woman who is older and more physically deteriorated. It just does not compute! Just look at the hundreds of thousands of older / physically deteriorated older white European and American women who go to the Caribbean Islands and other places looking for young Mandingo types and showering 'them with love, money and gifts.
Australiasucks
01-20-11, 06:26
Obviously the older and more physically deteriorated you are, the more important money becomes in dealing with the opposite sex. Nobody in their right mind would argue that.
I'm just saying, if it's between having a gold-digging GF and p4p I will choose the p4p any day of the year. If those are my two options I know clearly where I stand. If I have to choose between p4p and a girl who really wants to be in a serious relationship with me and will pull her own weight, well, who knows if such a girl really exists.I am older but I am not physically deteriorated. The strange thing is when I was younger I was dating women who were a bit older, now that I am older I am dating women much younger than me. But I am in much better shape than most men my age and many in their 20s.
For most people money becomes a more important factor in the relationship and even if you got it, its not a satisfying relationship, because she loves your money and not you.
I wonder if George Clooney would be dating 20 somethings left and right if he was not rich and famous and still had his looks, I doubt it.
Bango Cheito
01-20-11, 07:57
I would disagree, why would any guy in their right mind be willing to spend money on a woman who is older and more physically deteriorated. It just does not compute! Just look at the hundreds of thousands of older / physically deteriorated older white European and American women who go to the Caribbean Islands and other places looking for young Mandingo types and showering 'them with love, money and gifts.In other words, we agree. It works the same for men AND women.
DJ FourMoney
01-20-11, 19:05
This girl is from another ountry living in US illegally. Her motivation is either find a husband to make her legal or make enough money by milking her boyfriends and go back.
What is wrong with protecting her interests? Even the legal American girlfriends are expensive keep up proposition sometimes. But there are women out there who do not expect anything and do support their boyfriends in need.
Generally these happen when you are young. Older people have no chance of getting into the pants of a young girl without money or expensive gifts. True to a point, but sometimes this board is overtly negative. Not every woman no matter her origin is out for permanent resident status ONLY. Some women want to stay AND find an American Husband because that's what she wants, nothing else too it.
In reality my ex cost me very little. You can say it was because she was a BBW if you want, but she paid the majority of the bills (she made more) and I paid the rest. She never ask for much and her parents never hinted she wanted "more" than she was getting so as far as I understand that subject never came up. The only more She wanted was a wedding ring and marriage.
I agree completely. A straight paid provider is always cheaper than a girlfriend, especially of the shark type.
When I compute the ratio fucking hours / dollars that I had with her, I get scared.
What you do not get with a paid provider however, is the romantic game. Plus the fact that it was all bareback. How long does it take to compute this ratio? Bar girls in Tijuana cost $60 per incident, if she becomes a favorite (or however you say it in Spanish) it could cost you virtually nothing, but maybe an evening out dancing. With the exchange rate being what it is, what you say makes sense. But that being said, this girl is likely not going to remember your birthday (your GF / Wife will) or buy you stuff at Christmas, take you on trips, etc. Frankly I don't know where some of you guys meet the women you do and I'm not one to say you must to have been done dirty to feel the way you do, but either you hooked up with penny pinching women or broke women or women that just didn't give two shits about you while you missed all the obvious signs.
....................BUT isn't that the problem with most relationships, we have to pay for it one way or other. The p4p scenario is more straightforward, you pay, you fuck, you leave.True, if that's all you want is sex, then P4P is best case scenario when accessible, legally. You don't use P4P for companionship some people do, a dog or cat is cheaper. That's if you want to be by yourself most of the time. I wasn't under the impression that most of us on this broad are loners, but maybe I'm reading it wrong. Maybe most of you would like to roam around the world, screwing different women along the way until your too old to do so and then hope you can find some nurse from a 3rd world country to take care of you in old age. I personally don't know ONE person with that fantasy. Most people I know want to get married and are frustrated by the dating scene in the United States.
Like I said I wanted to refrain from talking about LTR in this thread because its just not popular, it a place to vent about AW, even if the same vent has been repeated a dozen times before.
If she's materially interested in him, she should be treated like a professional. I don't see what's wrong with that.
I'm not down with the idea that just because a woman has a vagina a man should financially support her. If that's the way they want to play the game, then it can be cash for sex, but the terms have to be 100% clear otherwise as a man you WILL find yourself taken advantage of. And the moment it ceases to be a good deal for you, WALK!
Even the most loving relationship should be reciprocal, and not one-sided in any one particular area. How do you know if a woman is interested in you only materially? Some things show up on date #1, other times you won't know until you go shopping for a house but that likely means you never talked about a home before you married her, so you don't know where she stands.
I still think even with the changing landscape of workplace that Western Women do NOT want to be the Bread Winners. That means YOU as the Man determine the lifestyle you lead and if she agrees too it, then you'll have no problems. I think what happen is many Men assume (not ask) what type of lifestyle they want to lead, they believe its not important. Well I do believe its important.
I've come to the conclusion we won't be driving Benz's and Bimmers or have a 4, 000 sq ft home, not because I can't afford it when the time comes but because I don't need it and rather invest money elsewhere. Now if the woman I'm with agrees to this, then we don't have complaints about not having a larger home or having expensive to maintain cars, opulent lifestyle, etc.
We work as a unit or it doesn't work. If you can't find a American to buy into this, GO ELSEWHERE.
DJ FourMoney
01-20-11, 19:26
My only problem with this "upper hand" theory is when I reflect on the number of American women who have, in effect, told me to take that upper hand of mine and go jerk myself off with it.
Of course "it's still the guy's fault" when the bright, capable young women can't find a suitable mate. Of course its still the guy's fault. That's when you started to see stories of "ManChild" syndrome, men more interested in Xbox 360 / PS3 than marrying their sulking 20something girlfriend. Its never mentioned that she's a be*tchy, demanding, self-centered, social climber.
You know, in this economy it does appear we have the upper hand. As I said before Women Do Not Want To Be Bread Winners, they want somebody to take care of them ultimately in return for sex (you hope) , companionship and offspring.
I just went looking at some profiles on my favorite site and gee you think this crisis has impacted more than I originally thought. I've seen some "normal" demands like height and those types of things, but nothing terribly unreasonable.
I'm quite shocked to be honest with you and given this downturn is likely to last until 2014-2015 if not longer (lost decade?) maybe this is their "Come To Jesus" moment and knows nobody else wants them (outside the country).
Australiasucks
01-20-11, 21:08
Of course its still the guy's fault. That's when you started to see stories of "ManChild" syndrome, men more interested in Xbox 360 / PS3 than marrying their sulking 20something girlfriend. Its never mentioned that she's a be*tchy, demanding, self-centered, social climber.
You know, in this economy it does appear we have the upper hand. As I said before Women Do Not Want To Be Bread Winners, they want somebody to take care of them ultimately in return for sex (you hope) , companionship and offspring.
I just went looking at some profiles on my favorite site and gee you think this crisis has impacted more than I originally thought. I've seen some "normal" demands like height and those types of things, but nothing terribly unreasonable.
I'm quite shocked to be honest with you and given this downturn is likely to last until 2014-2015 if not longer (lost decade?) maybe this is their "Come To Jesus" moment and knows nobody else wants them (outside the country). I had a recent experience mongering in the US, something I normally do not do, but its clear the shit economy is changing things. I got an awful lot of extras from women. Also when I told women I lived in a foreign country rather than be turned off, it seemed to turn them on, usually American women are very suspicious of foreign men. But it seems that as the economy gets worse in America, people are willing to try something new.
Several years ago when things were better, the reaction I would get from most American women is if Australia is full of killer crocodiles and snakes, now I get a different reaction, like get me out of here. I guess the shoe is going on the other foot these days.
Mr Enternational
01-21-11, 00:10
In reality my ex cost me very little. You can say it was because she was a BBW if you want, but she paid the majority of the bills (she made more) and I paid the rest.My ex wife paid the mortgage and I paid the utilities. Everything else we had on our own we paid separately. She was always complaining about not having money. I had a child, she didn't. I had school, she didn't. And she made more than me. Not having money never stopped me from doing what I wanted. It seemed the more that I spent on the things I wanted to do the more I would get back from whatever source.
I wasn't under the impression that most of us on this broad are loners, but maybe I'm reading it wrong. Maybe most of you would like to roam around the world, screwing different women along the way until your too old to do so and then hope you can find some nurse from a 3rd world country to take care of you in old age. I personally don't know ONE person with that fantasy. Most people I know want to get married and are frustrated by the dating scene in the United States.I'm definitely not a loner. Maybe that is my problem. I like women too much to be with only one. I thought I had a problem until I looked at my family history and talked to the few men that are in my family. Then I realized that it's just in my blood. My dad, granddad's on both sides, and my great grandfather (who was a preacher by the way) all had kids outside of their marriages. I was talking to my uncle Thanksgiving who had left his wife over 25 years ago for another woman. He said it did not take him long to come to his senses and go back to his wife for the sake of his kids (who are now over 40 and over 30). He said sometimes you have to honor your responsibilities and stop thinking with your dick. He has been with his wife ever since although his kids have long been adults. I guess I was just smart enough to get out of my marriage before any damage was done.
As far as the dating scene I don't even date Americans anymore. After years of being stood up countless times and being bullshitted around I have come to the conclusion that they are just too full of shit for me. I would rather be with someone who can be with me for WHO I am and not WHAT I am or have. And I just never seemed to find that in American women or foreigners who have been patriated here.
How do you know if a woman is interested in you only materially? Some things show up on date #1, other times you won't know until you go shopping for a house but that likely means you never talked about a home before you married her, so you don't know where she stands.
I still think even with the changing landscape of workplace that Western Women do NOT want to be the Bread Winners. That means YOU as the Man determine the lifestyle you lead and if she agrees too it, then you'll have no problems. I think what happen is many Men assume (not ask) what type of lifestyle they want to lead, they believe its not important. Well I do believe its important. One major problem is that people do not communicate before or after they enter a relationship. Usually one person just ASSUMES that the other person feels the same they do about something and vice-versa. Then when someone is new they are afraid to give an opposing opinion or idea to what the other person believes. Then over time their true feelings come out.
As far as women wanting to be the bread winners, I think that they would love having a man support them, however they want to have their own source of income as well so they can buy what the hell they want when they want it. I have a friend from Panama who married and American guy and moved here. It was all fun and frills at first until she finally woke up and realized that she had to go to her husband for everything from tapioca to tampons and was at his mercy because she did not have her own job or money. She now works as a cashier but her fairytale is over and she wants to go back to Panama.
I've come to the conclusion we won't be driving Benz's and Bimmers or have a 4, 000 sq ft home, not because I can't afford it when the time comes but because I don't need it and rather invest money elsewhere. Now if the woman I'm with agrees to this, then we don't have complaints about not having a larger home or having expensive to maintain cars, opulent lifestyle, etc.I have had nice cars all of my life. 2 Lexus, Cadillac, Jaguar, Alfa Romeo. Now that I'm 38 years old and could care less about impressing AWs, if the car I have now takes a turn for the worst then I will be more than happy to get a little 4 cylinder Corolla or Hyundai. I spend most of my time overseas anyway so why would I need to spend a lot of money on something that won't get much use. As far as buying a big ass house, how many rooms will actually get used? Bedroom, Kitchen, Family Room, Office. 4,000 sqft is totally unnecessary and just a show of American greed and waste.
There was a recent cover story in Macleans magazine (Canadian newsmagazine) entitled "How our boys are growing up to be underachieving men". Unfortunately broke absolutely no new ground, and talked about the 20something males who in fact would rather play on Xbox than get into a relationship. One point the article did say was how many males in their 20s and 30s have friends who have been married and absolutely screwed over, so they figure,
Why bother? If a girl wants a no commitment relationship, fine, but if she expects marriage, most guys view that as a one way ticket to hell, and who needs it?
It also points out what was somewhat tangentially mentioned, that since most young guys now figure they don't have an advantage until they are at least 40, might as well wait.
There was a recent cover story in Macleans magazine (Canadian newsmagazine) entitled "How our boys are growing up to be underachieving men". Unfortunately broke absolutely no new ground, and talked about the 20something males who in fact would rather play on Xbox than get into a relationship. One point the article did say was how many males in their 20s and 30s have friends who have been married and absolutely screwed over, so they figure,
Why bother? If a girl wants a no commitment relationship, fine, but if she expects marriage, most guys view that as a one way ticket to hell, and who needs it?
It also points out what was somewhat tangentially mentioned, that since most young guys now figure they don't have an advantage until they are at least 40, might as well wait. Coincidentally, an article about an American legend in The Economist, January 13th:
Playboy: Bunny Hop (http://www.economist.com/node/17906009?story_id=17906009)
84 years old, and that luscious blonde is his new fiancee!
Bango Cheito
01-21-11, 07:06
Do women want to be the breadwinners? I'd agree with DJ, they generally do not.
I think these days what most women want is a guy to pay all the basic bills, and then have some little part time job of which they will keep all the money and spend it on whatever they damn well please, leaving all the heavy lifting to the man.
I just can't for the life of me figure out why any man would be so stupid as to let themselves get taken advantage of in that way.
I'm twice married and twice divorced exactly for those reasons. This whole "what's mine is mine and what's yours is mine too" mentality sickens me. And to me in a LTR sex is shared between the two people, NOT something the guy has to keep paying for. I can get companionship from my friends any time I want it, and to me in Colombia sex has the very real value of $20-30USD a pop, if not cheaper...
Bango Cheito
01-21-11, 07:38
Examples of financially fair relationships to me.
Booty call- both parties offer each other sex. They may or may not be friends apart from the booty call element of the relationship. NO romance is permitted in a booty call. If there are costs like hotel room etc it is split evenly. If there is dinner it's split evenly or dutch. If for some reason they sleep cuddled up afterwards, they fight about who has to sleep in the wet spot :P.
Fuckbuddies- two friends who decide that they can fuck each other. There may be some affection shown but it is understood that it's not an LTR and will not interfere with other relationships in either party's life. Financial arrangements same as above.
One night stand- generally they get drunk and / or high and then go somewhere and fuck. This can be in a hotel or in a park / bathroom / alleyway whatever. One party may pay the hotel room if she or he so wishes without being considered a chump :P HOWEVER, guys who flood women with alcohol in the hopes of scoring with them have very low kill rates. If a girl at all likes you she doesn't need to get smashed to be with you :P.
BF / GF relationship- both parties pay their own basic living expenses and both should contribute to the cost of going out together. It's not a big deal who pays for what (nor should it necessarily be among non-romantic relationships with one's friends) as long as it doesn't approach 100% on either side of the equation. In Latin culture whoever invites pays. The words in Spanish are actually synonymous. So both parties if they really like each other do their share of "inviting". It's fine if one person has a lot more money than the other that he or she invites more frequently, but once again it shouldn't be near or at 100% either ever.
Living together- both parties contribute to the basic living expenses, preferably equally. In cases where one party makes significantly more than the other, the one who makes less should still be putting a good chunk of his or her money towards the basics, as in most of it. If the income differential is large, the one who makes more money should be contributing more towards the cost of going out together, if not, it should be more or less equal. No adult should be covering another adult's expenses for post-secondary education, gym membership, or plastic surgery.
Any woman not willing to adhere to those conditions is not with you because she really likes you, she's there for the $$$. That simple.
True to a point, but sometimes this board is overtly negative. Not every woman no matter her origin is out for permanent resident status ONLY. Some women want to stay AND find an American Husband because that's what she wants, nothing else too it.
In reality my ex cost me very little. You can say it was because she was a BBW if you want, but she paid the majority of the bills (she made more) and I paid the rest. She never ask for much and her parents never hinted she wanted "more" than she was getting so as far as I understand that subject never came up. The only more She wanted was a wedding ring and marriage.
How long does it take to compute this ratio? Bar girls in Tijuana cost $60 per incident, if she becomes a favorite (or however you say it in Spanish) it could cost you virtually nothing, but maybe an evening out dancing. With the exchange rate being what it is, what you say makes sense. But that being said, this girl is likely not going to remember your birthday (your GF / Wife will) or buy you stuff at Christmas, take you on trips, etc. Frankly I don't know where some of you guys meet the women you do and I'm not one to say you must to have been done dirty to feel the way you do, but either you hooked up with penny pinching women or broke women or women that just didn't give two shits about you while you missed all the obvious signs.
True, if that's all you want is sex, then P4P is best case scenario when accessible, legally. You don't use P4P for companionship some people do, a dog or cat is cheaper. That's if you want to be by yourself most of the time. I wasn't under the impression that most of us on this broad are loners, but maybe I'm reading it wrong. Maybe most of you would like to roam around the world, screwing different women along the way until your too old to do so and then hope you can find some nurse from a 3rd world country to take care of you in old age. I personally don't know ONE person with that fantasy. Most people I know want to get married and are frustrated by the dating scene in the United States.
Like I said I wanted to refrain from talking about LTR in this thread because its just not popular, it a place to vent about AW, even if the same vent has been repeated a dozen times before.
How do you know if a woman is interested in you only materially? Some things show up on date #1, other times you won't know until you go shopping for a house but that likely means you never talked about a home before you married her, so you don't know where she stands.
I still think even with the changing landscape of workplace that Western Women do NOT want to be the Bread Winners. That means YOU as the Man determine the lifestyle you lead and if she agrees too it, then you'll have no problems. I think what happen is many Men assume (not ask) what type of lifestyle they want to lead, they believe its not important. Well I do believe its important.
I've come to the conclusion we won't be driving Benz's and Bimmers or have a 4, 000 sq ft home, not because I can't afford it when the time comes but because I don't need it and rather invest money elsewhere. Now if the woman I'm with agrees to this, then we don't have complaints about not having a larger home or having expensive to maintain cars, opulent lifestyle, etc.
We work as a unit or it doesn't work. If you can't find a American to buy into this, GO ELSEWHERE. To simplify, you should only have an LTR with a woman you can afford. If your thing is Chevy and hers is BMW, you can't afford her, period. Especially if Chevy is all you can afford in your own mind.
Maybe she talks a good game today, but you're still suspicious. If you think she may evolve to lifestyle choices that are beyond your willingness, let alone ability to pay for, better do your best to smoke that out.
Bango Cheito
01-21-11, 09:00
See this is what I'm talking about, why the fuck can't SHE get her own goddamn BMW? Suck dicks or kill people to get it if she has to, but not beg another adult human being's money for it.
There probably is not a man on the planet who wouldn't want to be Hugh Hefner. At least have his empire and his chicks. I hope to be bangin an ultra-hot broad when I'm 84, too.
Coincidentally, an article about an American legend in The Economist, January 13th:
Playboy: Bunny Hop (http://www.economist.com/node/17906009?story_id=17906009)
84 years old, and that luscious blonde is his new fiancee!
Many people hate Hugh Hefner. Me, on the other hand, neither envy nor hate. Sure he has probably had more beautifull women and pussy then your average could ever imagine.
Once you bang one hot cutie and have a totally awesome experiene each experience thereafter is just an attempt of a chase repeat. Why not. The bottom line with Hugh Hefner is that his new wife will gain more from marrying him and going down in history as yet another one Hughes many ladies. He knows in his heart she is not there for him but only what she can gain. Besides he is impotent. I am sure given all the spectacular science he can get erections.
In conclusion, Hugh is just another man with the same heartache as you and I have. Sure hes banged more pussy than most but so what. In the end we all stop breathing the same way Hugh will.
Hey Hairy Wonder, I agree with most of what you said and I also admire your un-political correctness. However, as a member of a minority group (hispanic) I have to say that if it's going that bad for the straight, white guy then what living chance in hell do we, straight, colored guys have in Sex Prison USA? I don't mean to start any quarrels here or anything like that, but I just thought that if anyone really had a better chance at things in this country, it was white guys (of all stripes and walks of life). It's you guys that I mostly see on tv, movies, music bands, etc. Usually, also, playing the role of the smart ones, the saviors, the superheroes, the bad asses, etc. But hey, you guys are the last line of defense we, all straight (regardless of skin color) guys have in this feminazi-dominate country. Funny thing is that throughout most of my travels in Latin America, I notice how much you white, (regardless of sexual orientation) guys are so looked-up upon. The treatment you guys receive over there is far better than anything I can imagine for myself, in spite of being originally from there as well. So go figure, how much of a chance can I have in what still remains of this great nation? Dunno, it's tough as nails. That's all I can say. Regardless of my (ongoing) higher education and how I carry myself out, all the stereotypes apply to me. It's like I'm guilty of everything before proven innocent. At least you white guys (usually) don't have that extra burden to worry about (and thankfully so!). But once I know you guys don't represent anything in your own country, then I will definitely know it's time for me to jump ship and head south of the border. Just my two-centavos worth, mi amigo!
I agree with Cyberdas. I think that allot of white guys just are not aware of how many privileges available to them. But I have noticed here in the Bay Area how allot of women turn there nose up at many white guys in many social circles. Leading me to wonder what chance if any do men of color have.
Nevertheless what I have noticed recently through reading Businessweek and Wallstreet Journal is that white men are screwing over other white men on a large scale. From the bank bailout, outsourcing of jobs, laying off of workers, lack of funding to education,...etc white guys are getting screwed over by guys that look just like themselves nowadays.
I came across a link to this, from one of the Stickman website "reader submission" articles.
A very sharp, informative essay from years ago. Even more trenchant, in that it's written by a woman, Esther Vilar, an Argentinian by birth, who saw society in a very different light from the "politically correct".
From the introduction:
Over thirty-five years have passed since the first publication of my book The Manipulated Man - a pamphlet written in great anger against the women's movement's worldwide monopoly of opinion. The determination with which those women portrayed us as victims of men not only seemed humiliating but also unrealistic. If someone should want to change the destiny of our sex - a wish I had then as I have today - then that someone should attempt to do so with more honesty. And possibly also with a little humor.
People often ask me if I would write this book again. Well, I find it right and proper to have done so. But seen from today's perspective, my courage in those days may only be attributable to a lack of imagination. Despite all I wrote, I could not really imagine the power I was up against. It seemed that one is only allowed to criticize women on the quiet - especially as a woman - and could only expect agreement behind closed doors.
However, I had also underestimated men's fear of reevaluating their position. Yet the more sovereignty they are losing in their professional lives - the more automatic their work, the more controlled by computers they become, the more that increasing unemployment forces them to adopt obsequious behavior towards customers and superiors - then the more they have to be afraid of a recognition of their predicament.
I hadn't imagined broadly enough the isolation I would find myself in after writing this book. Nor had I envisaged the consequences which it would have for my subsequent writing and even for my private life - violent threats have not ceased to this date. A woman who defended the arch-enemy - who didn't equate domestic life with solitary confinement and who described the company of young children as a pleasure, not a burden - necessarily had to become a 'misogynist', even a 'reactionary' and 'fascist' in the eyes of the public.
In other words, if I had known then what I know today, I probably wouldn't have written this book. And that is precisely the reason why I am so glad to have written it. I would like to take this opportunity to thank the handful of people who have stood up for me and my work. Typically, most of them were women.
Jackson, I hope you will be so kind as to leave this link intact.
The Manipulated Man (http://dontmarry.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/the_manipulated_man.pdf)
I came across a link to this, from one of the Stickman website "reader submission" articles.
A very sharp, informative essay from years ago. Even more trenchant, in that it's written by a woman, Esther Vilar, an Argentinian by birth, who saw society in a very different light from the "politically correct".
From the introduction:
Jackson, I hope you will be so kind as to leave this link intact.
The Manipulated Man (http://dontmarry.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/the_manipulated_man.pdf)I love the excerpt from The Manipulated Man
"If a young man gets married, and starts a family and spends the rest of hise life
Working at a soul-destroying job, he is held up as an example of virtue and
Responsibility. The other type of man, living only for himself, working only for himself,
Doing first one thing and then another simply because he enjoys it and because he
Has to keep only himself, sleeping where and when he wants, and facing woman
When he meets her on equal terms and not as one of a million slaves, is rejected by
Society The free, unshackled man has no place in its midst"
Sums me right up. Good stuff
The other type of man, living only for himself, working only for himself, doing first one thing and then another simply because he enjoys it and because he has to keep only himself, sleeping where and when he wants, and facing woman when he meets her on equal terms and not as one of a million slaves, is rejected by Society. The free, unshackled man has no place in its midst."When you brought this up, Gfechaser, it reminded me of another quote along the same lines:
I swear - by my life and by my love of it - that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.
. Jackson, I hope you will be so kind as to leave this link intact.
The Manipulated Man (http://dontmarry.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/the_manipulated_man.pdf)Good post!
-Helpmann :)
Examples of financially fair relationships to me.
Booty call- both parties offer each other sex. They may or may not be friends apart from the booty call element of the relationship. NO romance is permitted in a booty call. If there are costs like hotel room etc it is split evenly. If there is dinner it's split evenly or dutch. If for some reason they sleep cuddled up afterwards, they fight about who has to sleep in the wet spot :P.
Fuckbuddies- two friends who decide that they can fuck each other. There may be some affection shown but it is understood that it's not an LTR and will not interfere with other relationships in either party's life. Financial arrangements same as above.
One night stand- generally they get drunk and / or high and then go somewhere and fuck. This can be in a hotel or in a park / bathroom / alleyway whatever. One party may pay the hotel room if she or he so wishes without being considered a chump :P HOWEVER, guys who flood women with alcohol in the hopes of scoring with them have very low kill rates. If a girl at all likes you she doesn't need to get smashed to be with you :P.
BF / GF relationship- both parties pay their own basic living expenses and both should contribute to the cost of going out together. It's not a big deal who pays for what (nor should it necessarily be among non-romantic relationships with one's friends) as long as it doesn't approach 100% on either side of the equation. In Latin culture whoever invites pays. The words in Spanish are actually synonymous. So both parties if they really like each other do their share of "inviting". It's fine if one person has a lot more money than the other that he or she invites more frequently, but once again it shouldn't be near or at 100% either ever.
Living together- both parties contribute to the basic living expenses, preferably equally. In cases where one party makes significantly more than the other, the one who makes less should still be putting a good chunk of his or her money towards the basics, as in most of it. If the income differential is large, the one who makes more money should be contributing more towards the cost of going out together, if not, it should be more or less equal. No adult should be covering another adult's expenses for post-secondary education, gym membership, or plastic surgery.
Any woman not willing to adhere to those conditions is not with you because she really likes you, she's there for the $$$. That simple. I don't agree with this either / or statement, based on my current experiences as a no strings sex friend with a friendly, wildly passionate Peruana woman who likes both me and my money.
A single, attractive, relatively poor working (non hooker) latina woman in Peru or Colombia like my Lima favorite can enjoy the company and fucking a hotter young stud who has little money or offers her none because of his great personality, athletic body and great performance in bed. That doesn't mean she actually dislikes the company or dislikes fucking as well the other more aged foreign man in her life like myself who visits her on occasion and has a bit of dinero to share with her. It is very often the money factor that tips the balance, opens the legs and lubricates the pussy in the company of the moneyed man. In any fuckbuddy relationship she can have both.
Consider also that my sex friend would not fuck the older, somewhat less attractive guy (me) if he had no money to share, as she has limited time and having many choices and needs in her life. But, nor would she fuck me if I was very old, fat or ugly or a complete bore, even if I offered her 10x of the modest financial benefits that I provide to her. Given the many men who want to tap her pussy she will only choose those few that benefit her in some way, and in combination offer her the best total benefits for enjoyable companionship, personal sexual satisfaction, and familial financial security while allowing her to keep her personal sense of respect in herself intact.
I don't agree with this either / or statement, based on my current experiences as a no strings sex friend with a friendly, wildly passionate Peruana woman who likes both me and my money.
A single, attractive, relatively poor working (non hooker) latina woman in Peru or Colombia like my Lima favorite can enjoy the company and fucking a hotter young stud who has little money or offers her none because of his great personality, athletic body and great performance in bed. That doesn't mean she actually dislikes the company or dislikes fucking as well the other more aged foreign man in her life like myself who visits her on occasion and has a bit of dinero to share with her. It is very often the money factor that tips the balance, opens the legs and lubricates the pussy in the company of the moneyed man. In any fuckbuddy relationship she can have both.
Consider also that my sex friend would not fuck the older, somewhat less attractive guy (me) if he had no money to share, as she has limited time and having many choices and needs in her life. But, nor would she fuck me if I was very old, fat or ugly or a complete bore, even if I offered her 10x of the modest financial benefits that I provide to her. Given the many men who want to tap her pussy she will only choose those few that benefit her in some way, and in combination offer her the best total benefits for enjoyable companionship, personal sexual satisfaction, and familial financial security while allowing her to keep her personal sense of respect in herself intact. Cuero, this does make good sense, and I've seen it before; not just in Latin America, either. The "sugar daddy / sugar baby" type of relationship has a long history in the USA and a longer history in Europe. Check out Aretino's Dialogues For an example in Renaissance Italian literature.
A girl who 'dates' (let's put a discreet, respectable label on this) an older, moneyed 'gentleman' (another discreet label) for dinner & drinks, plus some nice 'gift' that he gives her 'every so often' (thank you, Thomas Bowdler!) , is able to keep her self-respect because "she's not doing it just for the money, after all." Her 'benefactor' likely had to pursue her a little, go out with her more than once before she 'let him have his way, ' and I don't doubt that every encounter has to be 'another date, ' with drinks and dinner and probably even some dancing before going back home to 'the main event. ' The 'nice gift' in the morning is presented in a face-saving manner, possibly referred to as 'cab fare home'. At least that's the way I played it with my inamorata, down in Paraguay, a few years ago.
I know at least one member of this board (not myself) who has sought out similar enjoyments, traveling around the USA. I would do it again myself, if I were staying longer-term in a country where the economy would permit me to 'keep a mistress' in this fashion.
A little more to add to my last post:
The "Ashley Madison" web-site is perhaps the best-known forum for sugar-babies ISO sugar-daddies. There are others, but it's a good example. What kind of girl subscribes? Some 'pretty young thing' who isn't adverse to having an older, well-to-do 'boyfriend' or 'patron' who will give her (typically) financial support, in exchange for her affections.
But, she rationalizes, she's not taking on just anybody. She wants "a man she can look up to," with some semblance of romance; and she's looking for longer-term support. It may not be as blatant as cash money; she may want someone to pay the rent for a nice apartment, in exchange for having a key to her door and "taking her out" a couple of times a week. She may frame it as "help" with her schooling tuition, or "gifts" of a nature that isn't necessarily cash money. She is looking to be "kept," and she sees herself as a "mistress" rather than an out-and-out ho.
Of course, a guy has to be pretty well-off (in the local economy) to play this game."Sugar-Daddy Bigbucks" had also be pretty-well settled on "Ashley," which I'll use instead of the classic "Little Annie Fanny," suits him enough for the long-term that he's willing to put her "on retainer" (as it's called when you hire a lawyer like this; I think it's also a 'polite' term for hiring a mistress).
This can be workable if you're living in the same city, where you do have plenty of opportunities to get together with "Ashley" for the evening or for an Afternoon Delight. If you live in a different city, it's more trouble and far less certain. If you live in the USA and she lives in the Third World, we call it "Western Union," with all that implies.
In some countries, you can get into a situation like this for a shorter term; where you meet up at a disco or pub,"hit it off," she comes back to the hotel with you, and both of you act like "you got lucky" in the "lust at first sight" mode. Next morning, you "give her a nice gift" and make plans to meet her that evening; you wine and dine her, same as you would a "regular girlfriend," your sex is more like "making love" than professional-style, and you may buy her pretty dresses and jewelry rather than just handing her a wad of currency. Of course, you still give her "cab fare home."
I actually like this pretty well. It salves my conscience, and hers; I like feeling like "a generous boyfriend" more than like "a trick"; it is more fun for me to "act romantic" ... my first lesson in Portuguese was learning the proper lyrics to "The Girl From Ipanema," so I could sing it to greet my new carioca girlfriend when she showed up at the piano bar of my hotel (the Granados Park, in Asuncion) when she came in the door to meet me and my buddies. And it doesn't leave any long-term hurt, as long as I remember where she's going to be the night after my flight home: back in the "meet market" where I met her, looking for the next sugar-daddy. Western Union? Fuggetaboutit.
Westy,
I'll admit mine is a WU girl, but the donations have been irregular. 3 separate requests totaling around $400 over the past year since the first "urgent" request. At under $40 monthly that is not a lot for me but I admit the ROI is a bit questionable since unless I relocate to Lima I can only visit a few times a year. If the demands escalate at all I am ready to say no.
But I enjoy the feeling of being with a happy, sensual woman who kisses passionately like I'm a long lost lover, this goes for as much as 30 to 40 minutes before the main event to the point it is hard to pull away from her to fully undress ourselves for the main event and I'm not used to that! That kind of experience can be very hard or impossible to find in most P4P settings, although many of the Medellin Colombia prepago paisas really surprised me last year when I got a taste of them with similar kind of DFK and hot, urgent non-mechanical sex.
My Lima friend is also a great conversationalist and we can just hang out and chat for hours and I don't get bored which is rare.
Cuero,
I haven't done Western Union, but I have paid a dentist in Asuncion to perform about $300 of dental work for a chica with a great smile and bloody-toothbrush problems. Full course of gingival treatment, some fillings, and a dental implant to replace a broken bicuspid that was in a position to spoil everything; pre-paid to the dental clinic, so she wouldn't be able to blow the money on something else. Romantic, eh? But when I returned in eight months, she was VERY proud to show me the "perfect tooth" where there had been a disfiguring gap.
Your WU bill is not so bad. You aren't trying to support her long-distance; it sounds as though she only asks you for help when she really needs it, rather than sitting around with her friends dreaming up "emergencies" to tap your wallet. It also sounds as though you're getting a delightful ROI. Being able to hang out and chat for hours and hours, plus a woman who loves to play tongue-tag as long and as well as you describe. She sounds like she's worth a lot more than the average run-of-the-bedroom P4P contractor.
I made up my mind about "no Western Union" when I started mongering, down in Paraguay. I'd heard enough stories from my fellow mongers that I decided I would be generous while I'm in town - "but once the plane climbs out, cara mia, you're on your own." Your situation, as you describe it, leaves me thinking that I might have missed out on some wonderful experiences by taking that hard-line stance.
Good luck, have fun, and be true to your own nature -
Westy
Chocha Monger
01-28-11, 20:50
Don't! You'll get nothing back on your investment or very little at best. The thought of paying a retainer to reserve your very own little parking space in her pussy pen might sound very appealing, exclusive and trendy even. However, once you get past the euphoria you'll see it makes about as much sense as renting a seaside villa year round on some exotic Caribbean island hideaway while you reside in some frigid corner of North America. Sure you might actually get to visit and use the villa once or twice a year. The rest of the time you're not there strangers are entering and squatting in the villa you're paying maintenance and service fees on. Now compare that to paying for a really nice suite in an upscale hotel where you only pay for the nights you occupy it and for the amenities you use during your stay. It is a much better deal than the former arrangement isn't it?
Sending Western Union remittances to women over long distance will not make them any more loyal or less inclined to fuck others during your absence. Doing so puts you at risk for being financially exploited. If you want to see the same ho again then show her a good time when you're there. It will increase the odds of seeing her again. Save yourself the pain of sending money until your next annual vacation only to have her disappear or come up with some emergency reason for not being able to meet with you. Every time you think of sending a ho money by Western Union imagine yourself alone in your hotel room with your hard dick in one hand and a phone with a busy tone in the other.
Chocha Monger
01-29-11, 04:52
This AW executed her kids with extreme prejudice. She didn't just shoot them in the head. She shot them in the face! One can only imagine what she had in store for the husband had he been present at the time.
http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/28/police-army-wife-julie-powrs-schenecker-killed-kids-for-being/
Chocha,
To each his own. To me its about ROI, placing the value and enjoyment I get out of her company vs my WU investment. If I find the ROI is not adequate then I say no and move on. If she was asking me for a routine $100 a month for free rent or something like that in exchange for being "faithful" which seems more like the scenario you describe it wouldn't be happening: that would be too much money being invested for too little irregular return in a false premise. Like us men I think very few of these women are faithful no matter what they say unless they have no other options, and I am not looking for faithfulness anyway.
Of course there is the risk of financially being exploited but the same is true with any male-female relationship. You just have to keep your eyes open and think with your big head. But that is not much different as when you meet a hot 9 at a strip club and she asks for 2x the going rate to take her back to your place for what is likely to be a disappointing session, and you have to use a bit of discipline to say no. What I do know is that I get with my WU gal something that I would be unlikely to receive from the strip club pro: fantastic passionate sexual experiences at a level that is hard to find with any P4P regular. Even though she is a 7. 5 in looks, we are 9 to 10 in personal mutual chemistry and fun. How much of her excitement and pussy wetness derives from my generosity who knows but I do enjoy it.
So far for me no harm, no foul and no regrets.
Chocha Monger
01-29-11, 16:36
Chocha,
To each his own. To me its about ROI, placing the value and enjoyment I get out of her company vs my WU investment. If I find the ROI is not adequate then I say no and move on. If she was asking me for a routine $100 a month for free rent or something like that in exchange for being "faithful" which seems more like the scenario you describe it wouldn't be happening: that would be too much money being invested for too little irregular return in a false premise. Like us men I think very few of these women are faithful no matter what they say unless they have no other options, and I am not looking for faithfulness anyway.
Of course there is the risk of financially being exploited but the same is true with any male-female relationship. You just have to keep your eyes open and think with your big head. But that is not much different as when you meet a hot 9 at a strip club and she asks for 2x the going rate to take her back to your place for what is likely to be a disappointing session, and you have to use a bit of discipline to say no. What I do know is that I get with my WU gal something that I would be unlikely to receive from the strip club pro: fantastic passionate sexual experiences at a level that is hard to find with any P4P regular. Even though she is a 7. 5 in looks, we are 9 to 10 in personal mutual chemistry and fun. How much of her excitement and pussy wetness derives from my generosity who knows but I do enjoy it.
So far for me no harm, no foul and no regrets. Cuero,
I realize that you're using calculated cash disbursements to incentive pussy wetness and performance. I was just pointing out that such investments in the pussy market are highly speculative and involve significant risk of loss regardless of individual tolerance for financial loss. Of course, the only way to determine if indeed an ROI exists is to deny a request for cash disbursement then observe if her pussy recalibrates to lower moisture levels and performance becomes less energetic.
Each case has it's own set of variables due to personality and individual circumstance. However, the evidence out there seems to indicate that it generally does not benefit the men in such relationships. My own experience with economic aid indicates that it only makes sense when one is able to reap the benefits frequently. Collecting benefits frequently maintains an implicit link between the incentive and expected performance. Inconsistent use of the benefits may lead the provider to conclude that the economic aid comes without any expectations on the part of the donor, especially in long distance relationships. This is true both in G8 and Third World countries.
Bango Cheito
01-29-11, 19:16
I"m with Choca on this one.
I get what you're saying Westy and Cuero but I just think it's too much mess and too undefined, those types of situations.
I think a straight money-for-sex exchange benefits both the payer and the payee. Both parties know what they are giving and what they are receiving.
Some people call leaving things undefined "romance". I personally don't think romance has anything to do with it. There's nothing wrong with surprising one of your regular hos with a box of chocolates or something. As a matter of fact I think something like that would have MORE romantic impact because it's not an expected part of the game. Obviously it has to be when the occasion really merits it.
Which is really what I have a problem with, the EXPECTATIONS and ENTITLEMENT mentality of people in relationships, obviously women in this world have a lot to complain about too. Men often want them faithful and waiting for them with a hot meal whenever they choose to show up at home, and Goddess forbid that they ever fuck someone else, meanwhile the guy is out chasing every last piece of pussy that comes within half a mile of him.
The other thing is, for fucks sake, don't be fat, don't let yourself get bald, don't be ignorant, be a good dancer, be good in bed, learn culture, learn to hold your liquor without making a fool of yourselves. The typical North American male focuses 99. 99% on making $$$$ and lets ALL the rest of this go to shit.
I'd rather be the good-looking lover for these women than the sugar daddy any day of the year, and so would all of you!
Cuero,
I realize that you're using calculated cash disbursements to incentive pussy wetness and performance. I was just pointing out that such investments in the pussy market are highly speculative and involve significant risk of loss regardless of individual tolerance for financial loss. Of course, the only way to determine if indeed an ROI exists is to deny a request for cash disbursement then observe if her pussy recalibrates to lower moisture levels and performance becomes less energetic.
Each case has it's own set of variables due to personality and individual circumstance. However, the evidence out there seems to indicate that it generally does not benefit the men in such relationships. My own experience with economic aid indicates that it only makes sense when one is able to reap the benefits frequently. Collecting benefits frequently maintains an implicit link between the incentive and expected performance. Inconsistent use of the benefits may lead the provider to conclude that the economic aid comes without any expectations on the part of the donor, especially in long distance relationships. This is true both in G8 and Third World countries. And there's a substantial penalty for early withdrawal. ;)
Okay, I'm being an asshole with that remark. I didn't mean it to insult ... not really.
CM, BC, I see the sense in your remarks. As for my situation (the girl with pyorrhea), I wasn't thinking so much as my future ROI as I was about "she has a beautiful smile and it would be a shame if she just let it go to hell - as it will without professional intervention." For the record, we traded e-mail addresses, and she did come on to me asking for Western Union (which I ignored). Then, when I got back to Asuncion, she was quite enthusiastic at first, but she got greedy and demanding; when she reached the "Enough!" level, I threw her back into the pond and finished my last night with two of her 'colleagues' at the disco where we'd met in the first place. My first threesome, and I wore those poor girls out! I haven't done anything like that "sugar-daddy" behavior, since.
BC, I wish I could take all of your advice. I'm certainly not lean, though I'm reasonably fit and I take care of myself. I have been bald since age 30, and there's nothing I can do about that. I don't "know all the moves" on the dance floor, but I don't dance like I'm ashamed of it (a common problem). I'm fairly capable in Spanish and I work at learning more every trip. I am interested in the culture of anyplace I visit. I like my beer, I like my rum, but I'm cautious of the stuff and I don't get drunk when I go out to the night spots. I use my ears a lot more than I use my mouth. I work hard at not being a jerk, though I have no confidence in my ability to avoid it....
Bango Cheito
01-31-11, 06:44
Dude, I wish *I* could take all of my advice.
But another thing, I notice as I put more and more energy into my appearance and other non-money elements that will attract, I get better treatment even from the pros! Think of it as a point system, you may never have a full head of hair, but you can have an amazing body if you put a little effort into it, you can dress to the nines (highly underrated in many parts of the world) , and the best part, all of this is FUN, the trick is balancing all of this with bringing home the bacon, of course.
Oh Ya Papi
02-05-11, 16:25
ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) —Orlando guard Gilbert Arenas (notes) was served with child support and custody papers as he left the court during halftime of the Magic's loss to Miami on Thursday night.
The court documents, obtained by The Associated Press, were a California petition filed by Laura Mendoza Govan. She identified herself as his ex-girlfriend in the documents.
The petition seeks custody and child support for three children that Govan says Arenas fathered and has since 'financially cut off. ' She is also seeking support for another unborn child, as well as monthly support for the other children.
And the petition, she is seeking $109, 000 in monthly support payments from Arenas and $1. 3 million annually.
'I don't pay much attention to it because this is who she is as a person, ' he said. 'It's sad that it has to be in the public's eye. She gets money. I mean when a girl asks for $100, 000 a month and you say no, that doesn't mean you're cut off. You're still getting 20. . That's the thing that bothers me. She tells the world that she's not getting money. She gets $20, 000 a month. '
Sad. Man read Arenas quote. USA chicks suck
He's not alone! I have no sympathy for this fool or for the rest of professional athletes that fuck leaches like this without condoms. Damn what's the going price for a pack of 12 condoms $6.
ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) —Orlando guard Gilbert Arenas (notes) was served with child support and custody papers as he left the court during halftime of the Magic's loss to Miami on Thursday night.
The court documents, obtained by The Associated Press, were a California petition filed by Laura Mendoza Govan. She identified herself as his ex-girlfriend in the documents.
The petition seeks custody and child support for three children that Govan says Arenas fathered and has since 'financially cut off. ' She is also seeking support for another unborn child, as well as monthly support for the other children.
And the petition, she is seeking $109, 000 in monthly support payments from Arenas and $1. 3 million annually.
'I don't pay much attention to it because this is who she is as a person, ' he said. 'It's sad that it has to be in the public's eye. She gets money. I mean when a girl asks for $100, 000 a month and you say no, that doesn't mean you're cut off. You're still getting 20. . That's the thing that bothers me. She tells the world that she's not getting money. She gets $20, 000 a month. '
Sad. Man read Arenas quote. USA chicks suck
Australiasucks
02-05-11, 21:57
ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) —Orlando guard Gilbert Arenas (notes) was served with child support and custody papers as he left the court during halftime of the Magic's loss to Miami on Thursday night.
The court documents, obtained by The Associated Press, were a California petition filed by Laura Mendoza Govan. She identified herself as his ex-girlfriend in the documents.
The petition seeks custody and child support for three children that Govan says Arenas fathered and has since 'financially cut off. ' She is also seeking support for another unborn child, as well as monthly support for the other children.
And the petition, she is seeking $109, 000 in monthly support payments from Arenas and $1. 3 million annually.
'I don't pay much attention to it because this is who she is as a person, ' he said. 'It's sad that it has to be in the public's eye. She gets money. I mean when a girl asks for $100, 000 a month and you say no, that doesn't mean you're cut off. You're still getting 20. . That's the thing that bothers me. She tells the world that she's not getting money. She gets $20, 000 a month. '
Sad. Man read Arenas quote. USA chicks suck[Deleted by Admin], what do you expect when you mess around with Western women? LOL. [Deleted by Admin]. Women like this have been screwing over men like this for years. [Deleted by Admin]
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Hairy Wonder
02-11-11, 01:06
I heard this song for the first time today. While it makes you laugh, it also points out how I think most men with American women for wives / girlfriends feel. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdf9-hRt410&feature=BF&list=PL73A3E46A52BEBF5E&index=67 Give it a listen and see what you think.
HW
I heard this song for the first time today. While it makes you laugh, it also points out how I think most men with American women for wives / girlfriends feel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdf9-hRt410&feature=BF&list=PL73A3E46A52BEBF5E&index=67
Give it a listen and see what you think.
HWSounds very true from what I have seen in USA. In Central Asia generally it is completely opposite, although there are exceptions of course.
Sad but unfortunately true.
Any wife that imposes celibacy on her husband should be prepared for the consequences.
Amen, my brothers! In less than 10 years my wife and I have gone from having sex every 2-3 days, to once a week, to once a month, to once a year, to not at all last year. While it used to really [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off, I've been with 5 different providers in the past year, and I have no intentions of stopping. While I don't care for the sneaking about, hobby phones, and computer encryption software, she can't possibly think for a second that I'm doing without. She doesn't ask, and I don't tell. Funny thing is, she costs me much more than the providers, regularly rolling up bills of almost a thousand dollars a week shopping, dining out with her friends, travel, and continually denting up her cars. She's the most expensive piece of ass on the planet that I'm not getting.
"Any wife that imposes celibacy on her husband should be prepared for the consequences. Amen, my brothers! In less than 10 years my wife and I have gone from having sex every 2-3 days, to once a week, to once a month, to once a year, to not at all last year. While it used to really [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off, I've been with 5 different providers in the past year, and I have no intentions of stopping. While I don't care for the sneaking about, hobby phones, and computer encryption software, she can't possibly think for a second that I'm doing without. She doesn't ask, and I don't tell. Funny thing is, she costs me much more than the providers, regularly rolling up bills of almost a thousand dollars a week shopping, dining out with her friends, travel, and continually denting up her cars. She's the most expensive piece of ass on the planet that I'm not getting. "
I do not understand why guys stay with women like this. Allot of guys say it is cheaper to keep her but time and freedom to do whatever you want is priceless. One should always get rid of a bad investment.
DJ FourMoney
02-17-11, 11:08
"Any wife that imposes celibacy on her husband should be prepared for the consequences. Amen, my brothers! In less than 10 years my wife and I have gone from having sex every 2-3 days, to once a week, to once a month, to once a year, to not at all last year. While it used to really [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off, I've been with 5 different providers in the past year, and I have no intentions of stopping. While I don't care for the sneaking about, hobby phones, and computer encryption software, she can't possibly think for a second that I'm doing without. She doesn't ask, and I don't tell. Funny thing is, she costs me much more than the providers, regularly rolling up bills of almost a thousand dollars a week shopping, dining out with her friends, travel, and continually denting up her cars. She's the most expensive piece of ass on the planet that I'm not getting."
I do not understand why guys stay with women like this. Allot of guys say it is cheaper to keep her but time and freedom to do whatever you want is priceless. One should always get rid of a bad investment. If they say its "cheaper to keep her" they need a better divorce lawyer.
If you have kids its going to cost you, if she's a stay at home mom, its going to cost, you. Face up to it, at least you'll have most of your free time to yourself and to pursue other women.
Hello, Mongers. I rarely go out in the States any more but a friend of mine was playing in a band at a local club so I went. I am 55 (look 45) reasonably handsome and in good health although admittedly could drop about 20 pounds but still light on my feet. Lots of twenty-and thirty-something hotties who turned out to be biotches as usual. Even the fat and ugly ones wouldn't dance with me. I asked just as an experiment. All the time I was thinking if I were in Asia, not only would I be dancing with the hottest chicks in the joint but would take the cutest and bustiest one home with me. I used to get laid everytime I went out when I was in my 20s and 30s but it is all downhill after that. I am so glad to be going to Philippines, Thailand, Cambodia and Vietnam where the women treat me like I was 20 again. It sucks 40 in America. Not only do the biotches have fat asses but they are rude to boot. I wouldn't marry an AW even if she was hot and rich because the baggage is more than United Airlines.
CherchezFemme
02-19-11, 00:39
I've been back on plentyoffish.com doing the online dating thing. It hasn't gone well, even though it claims to be the largest dating site in the world. I've spent a good amount of time writing and rewriting my profile, adding and deleting pics, having friendgirls critique my profile and pics, racking my brain for cute / witty things to say in emails, and so far : nada. A couple of girls wrote back, and then after the 2nd or 3rd email it ended. I didn't even get a dang phone number. My theory : I think that because its free, women put up a profile just for the hell of it but don't actually follow through. They get some emails, have a laugh, but soon forget about it since it's not costing them money. Its a fact that once you commit to pay for something, you become more vested in it.
So its back to pay sites for me, probably match. Com, italian singles (though it hasn't worked that great in the past) and possibly a 3rd site.
So, because I'm quite mature, I :
a) deleted all my pics, put up one of Rocco Siffredi
b) changed my title to "Why you're not married"
c) copied and pasted the following article entitled "Why you're not married" into my profile.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tracy-mcmillan/why-youre-not-married_b_822088.html
In 12 hours 3 women have already written to me- that's one more than in the past 2 months ! I haven't read the messages, I doubt I will. I'm sure they're full of man-hating and how I'm an asshole, etc :)
I'm on POF and can honestly say that I've never seen so many fat, ugly, desperate women in my life.
Every once in awhile I open my mail there just to confirm the above and then sock some more money away for my international trips.
I've been back on plentyoffish. Com doing the online dating thing. It hasn't gone well, even though it claims to be the largest dating site in the world. I've spent a good amount of time writing and rewriting my profile, adding and deleting pics, having friendgirls critique my profile and pics, racking my brain for cute / witty things to say in emails, and so far : nada. A couple of girls wrote back, and then after the 2nd or 3rd email it ended. I didn't even get a dang phone number. My theory : I think that because its free, women put up a profile just for the hell of it but don't actually follow through. They get some emails, have a laugh, but soon forget about it since it's not costing them money. Its a fact that once you commit to pay for something, you become more vested in it.
So its back to pay sites for me, probably match. Com, italian singles (though it hasn't worked that great in the past) and possibly a 3rd site.
So, because I'm quite mature, I :
A) deleted all my pics, put up one of Rocco Siffredi.
Be) changed my title to "Why you're not married"
See) copied and pasted the following article entitled "Why you're not married" into my profile.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tracy-mcmillan/why-youre-not-married_b_822088.html
In 12 hours 3 women have already written to me- that's one more than in the past 2 months! I haven't read the messages, I doubt I will. I'm sure they're full of man-hating and how I'm an asshole, etc.
I have not been to USA for awhile. Recently came there for some time.
2 days ago one friend called me and said lets go out drinking, check out girls, etc. I did not care much about girls here, since it is bullshit anyways, but I went with him since did not see him for a long time.
I guess my friend hoped to pick up some girls. He tried to talk to several groups of girls. Mostly college girls I believe.
About 4 out of 5 girls groups showed a pretty much similar behavior. When he talked to a group of girls, their "leader" girl yelled very loudly (so the whole street would hear) at him "get off me" or "get away" and similar stuff.
Is it something new? I have not been out in USA for a while, so I cannot recall that such yelling at a guy who tries to talk to be so popular.
CherchezFemme
02-20-11, 18:50
A few very strange things happened since I posted:
-it turns out a girl who I thought I had made a good connection with wrote back to me and excused herself for not getting back to me sooner and gave me her number. The fact that she hadn't responded in over a week had really pissed me off and was the tipping point for me saying screw it and making the changes I did.
-the fact that she wrote back inspired me, so I put my pics back up yesterday but kept the article as the profile. I wrote to about 30 girls and 2 of them responded immediately, including one who is gorgeous. And they mentioned my profile in ther email to me. So putting up an article critical of women got them to answer! Yes!
- about an hour later, feeling confident and positive, I'm getting ready to write to a whole new batch of girls when a girl (who I had not contacted) wrote to me and told me 6 other guys are using that same text in their profile and where did I get it from?
FUCK! I find something that works after having given up, and now I have to change it so I don't look like a rip-off artist only ONE FUCKING HOUR after finding out it woks. DAMMITTTTTTT!
I'm on POF and can honestly say that I've never seen so many fat, ugly, desperate women in my life.
Every once in awhile I open my mail there just to confirm the above and then sock some more money away for my international trips.
LittleTruths
02-20-11, 19:31
A few very strange things happened since I posted:
-it turns out a girl who I thought I had made a good connection with wrote back to me and excused herself for not getting back to me sooner and gave me her number. The fact that she hadn't responded in over a week had really pissed me off and was the tipping point for me saying screw it and making the changes I did.
-the fact that she wrote back inspired me, so I put my pics back up yesterday but kept the article as the profile. I wrote to about 30 girls and 2 of them responded immediately, including one who is gorgeous. And they mentioned my profile in ther email to me. So putting up an article critical of women got them to answer! Yes!
- about an hour later, feeling confident and positive, I'm getting ready to write to a whole new batch of girls when a girl (who I had not contacted) wrote to me and told me 6 other guys are using that same text in their profile and where did I get it from?
FUCK! I find something that works after having given up, and now I have to change it so I don't look like a rip-off artist only ONE FUCKING HOUR after finding out it woks. DAMMITTTTTTT! LOL! I promise I am not among those 6 other guys, even tho I have read the article and found it interesting.
CherchezFemme
02-20-11, 20:44
I think your friend was going in way too aggressive and obvious, with the result that the girls freaked out. The only time a girl ever said something like that to me was a king-size **** from work who hated me . She yelled it to me after an end-of-the-year party. She was friends with a lot of hot girls from work and I was approaching their group in the parking lot to find out where they were going after.
One of my big regrets is not putting that ugly **** (and another coworker) in their place when I left. The things I should have said to her.
-End hijack-
Point is, your friend was being a creeper or is just not smooth. It takes balls and composure to approach groups of women succesfully. I can do it, but it took a lot of practice.
I have not been to USA for awhile. Recently came there for some time.
2 days ago one friend called me and said lets go out drinking, check out girls, etc. I did not care much about girls here, since it is bullshit anyways, but I went with him since did not see him for a long time.
I guess my friend hoped to pick up some girls. He tried to talk to several groups of girls. Mostly college girls I believe.
About 4 out of 5 girls groups showed a pretty much similar behavior. When he talked to a group of girls, their "leader" girl yelled very loudly (so the whole street would hear) at him "get off me" or "get away" and similar stuff.
Is it something new? I have not been out in USA for a while, so I cannot recall that such yelling at a guy who tries to talk to be so popular.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts4sEBb2K3s&feature=related
Eddie Murphy said it right 25 years ago.
American women will completely change your foreign wife! (starts at about 1:18)
DJ FourMoney
02-21-11, 21:33
I could imagine it even tougher if you didn't have many friends to socialize with or didn't see your family much or all your family was either far away or even dead which becomes a reality once you hit about 50 or so.
That said, I've been saying it for months POF is the ultimate trash heap. Because its free as Cherchezfemme said there's no incentive to invest time / energy / effort into it by the women. The women who actually pay might be seriously looking for somebody but man you don't want them, they look like. Have kids usually or have some type of lifestyle that has prevented them from finding a man in the first place.
Any really good looking woman that is single and is on POF should automatically raise a red flag and good luck getting in contact with her.
Her inbox is overflowing I'm sure.
So what are you left with? You poor SOB (all of us) using Match or any other web site is not going to solve the problem.
I'll give you an example. In Los Angeles, there more Men than Women. In New York its the exact opposite, but the results are basically the same, why is that?
Its all the woman's fault! There is no other reason or excuse I can come up with.
On one hand they desire financial security but also demand that from men as well. That could mean almost anything. But if you work some manufacturing job, drive a truck, work at Walmart / Target, then you can kiss your chances of hooking up with a smart, attractive woman good bye.
Once you hit about 40, the younger women don't want anything to do with you. Which is interesting and I wonder about the sincerity of AW in general. Most women by 30 want to get married and have a family. Problem is, most men around 30 want that too, but from women younger than them. A man of 30 doesn't want a woman of 30-32, he wants a woman about 25-28, DUH.
Too me that means women should be open to most options by 25, but they aren't. Especially the ones that flock to major cities like LA, NYC, Chicago, Miami because they are seeking success, the kind they can't get back at home. That means being career minded and career focus. Dam Mother Nature and Dam Your Best Reproductive years. This is why IVF has shot through the roof the last decade or so.. http://www.advancedfertility.com/ivf-age.htm
This allows women to delay child birth and delay serious relationships until their careers stabilize and mature, usually late 20's, early 30's.
But as you see by that stat, successful natural pregnancies goes down starting at 28 and really starts to take a nose dive after 32.
Not to mention is much harder to have your first child later in life than it is if you had children before.
All this Bullshit makes no fucking sense and while not everybody will get married and not everybody will have children, the vast majority of us will or you'll have low birth rates like you do in much of Europe. I'd say massive illegal immigration as staved off any discussion of low birth rates in America, but if you look inside the numbers the truth is birth rates for White Women and Black Women have declined since 1980, we now average 2. 1 children instead of 2. 2.
I find stuff like this very frustrating on all levels and now you can understand that even without this information, most people "settle" earlier which contributes to the high divorce rate.
Then you have various outlets trying to sell you on this career focused women who NOW want to find that man to have a family with. http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/the-case-for-an-older-woman/
Or women pleading with other women to "settle" for Mr Good Enough which is what guys have been doing forever, we've seldom get exactly what we want, we "settle" for Ms Good Enough in many cases if not slightly less than that.
So why is it that Men are told to "take what you can get" and Women are allowed to have exactly what they want without compromise no matter what her circumstances are?
I think American Men are finally starting to wake up and see the deck is stacked against them. Low return rates on dating sites, older women past ideal pregnancy age, women with children from previous relationships, women so career focused that have no time for you even if they wanted to make time for you.
I've been saying for awhile on here but it seem everybody is focused on just finding random women to fuck. That's okay, but I think at the end of the day a vast majority of us that have no been burned by marriage or divorce would like to at least get married or find a girlfriend that doesn't drive them up a fricken wall.
At least much of Europe (and South America) is Family Friendly and I don't think anybody would dispute that. America is not even child friendly, relationship friendly, let alone family friendly, think about it.
Bango Cheito
02-22-11, 00:02
Let me be the first to deny it. Colombia is much more child-oriented than the US as a country but "family values" are deteriorating everywhere, thank the Goddess.
LittleTruths
02-22-11, 01:23
but "family values" are deteriorating everywhere, thank the Goddess.LOL, that "thank the Goddess" caught me off-guard; I had forgotten of your peculiar views about family and such. .
Anyways, DJ Four, while being without companionship is obviously tough, as horrible as it might sound I'd still say it is better than being in a fucked-up relationship. It doesn't take much but a look around to see plenty of man-woman situations that'd give you the gooseskin if only you give it a thought. Does "psycotic, ever-unhappy moaning women" ring a bell? Here you go, @1:27; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNzKN2EeA4s, a classic.
That kind of "sex and the city" wannabe women, what man in his right mind would ever want to deal with that shit? Many men would like to build around them an ideal relationship with a woman, but too often the difference between what it should be like and what it actually is like is hideous.
The link that you posted mentions how often guys tend to eventually settle down for "Miss Good Enough" rather than "Miss Perfect", I'll take it even further and state right here that men would even settle down for fuck-all! The shit I see my married friends take from their wives is ridiculous, they eventually give up trying because you can't argue with a woman, they take on commitments, go out of their way for her and (rightfully so) the babies, make their lives miserable as a result, just to try and make that beyotch happy so that she can give them back a bit of that happyness in return, just like a reflection; but come on, what kind of life is that?
Oh Ya Papi
02-22-11, 05:01
We get the hot chicks and now we won't settle check this out at 4:21
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPesKyIhGZg&feature=related
LOL, that "thank the Goddess" caught me off-guard; I had forgotten of your peculiar views about family and such. .
Anyways, DJ Four, while being without companionship is obviously tough, as horrible as it might sound I'd still say it is better than being in a fucked-up relationship. It doesn't take much but a look around to see plenty of man-woman situations that'd give you the gooseskin if only you give it a thought. Does "psycotic, ever-unhappy moaning women" ring a bell? Here you go, @1:27;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNzKN2EeA4s
, a classic.
That kind of "sex and the city" wannabe women, what man in his right mind would ever want to deal with that shit? Many men would like to build around them an ideal relationship with a woman, but too often the difference between what it should be like and what it actually is like is hideous.
The link that you posted mentions how often guys tend to eventually settle down for "Miss Good Enough" rather than "Miss Perfect", I'll take it even further and state right here that men would even settle down for fuck-all! The shit I see my married friends take from their wives is ridiculous, they eventually give up trying because you can't argue with a woman, they take on commitments, go out of their way for her and (rightfully so) the babies, make their lives miserable as a result, just to try and make that beyotch happy so that she can give them back a bit of that happyness in return, just like a reflection; but come on, what kind of life is that?
DJ FourMoney
02-23-11, 09:17
LOL, that "thank the Goddess" caught me off-guard; I had forgotten of your peculiar views about family and such. .
Anyways, DJ Four, while being without companionship is obviously tough, as horrible as it might sound I'd still say it is better than being in a fucked-up relationship. It doesn't take much but a look around to see plenty of man-woman situations that'd give you the gooseskin if only you give it a thought. Does "psycotic, ever-unhappy moaning women" ring a bell? Here you go, @1:27;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNzKN2EeA4s
, a classic.
That kind of "sex and the city" wannabe women, what man in his right mind would ever want to deal with that shit? Many men would like to build around them an ideal relationship with a woman, but too often the difference between what it should be like and what it actually is like is hideous.
The link that you posted mentions how often guys tend to eventually settle down for "Miss Good Enough" rather than "Miss Perfect", I'll take it even further and state right here that men would even settle down for fuck-all! The shit I see my married friends take from their wives is ridiculous, they eventually give up trying because you can't argue with a woman, they take on commitments, go out of their way for her and (rightfully so) the babies, make their lives miserable as a result, just to try and make that beyotch happy so that she can give them back a bit of that happyness in return, just like a reflection; but come on, what kind of life is that? No I agree, but I think your missing the point that its a false choice. The choice shouldn't be a fucked up relationship or nothing at all or the fat chick with no attitude and decent upbringing vs a snobby but drop dead smok'in hot woman with a sense of entitlement second only to Za Za Gabor.
The link I posted is them "selling" men on dating "age appropriate". Meaning if your 30something instead of chasing around early 20somethings, you should looking at women around early to mid 30's because these are the ones serious about having a relationship.
I would say that's partly true. Its half true because social and biological pressure to be married is pretty high once you hit 30. Is it any wonder that most of them women saying "Marry Him!" or "The problem is you" are women already mid to late 30's and 40's themselves?
People see a problem its not just us, there are a few women who see a problem but of course its only after they hit about 36 or so.
I don't like be presented with a false choice and BC doesn't like children or cars, that's nothing new that doesn't mean we should follow his lead.
I want my own biological children and I want to live in a car friendly country.
CherchezFemme
02-23-11, 17:07
So basically DJ4M has concluded, as I think most of us have, that it has become a vicious circle.
I do think there is truth to that conclusion but as with many things its not that simple.
Not for me anyway, because I have a handicap. I'm fat. I'm 6'2, 290. Even though I'm pretty muscular, I look like a bouncer at a strip club be / see I have a big gut. I've mentioned this before.
DJ you have also mentioned that you had a less-than-ideal situation.
In person, I'm good looking enough and charming enough (I hope I'm not deluding myself!) that if I really want to get laid I can, just not with women who attract me. If I want a makeout at a nightclub or a, I can get it (and have had it) from good-looking women. But it never goes anywhere.
In reference to the okcupid article : I have also found that older women shoot me down as much as younger.
The worst part is when I get no responses from women I have so much in common with. That really is the worst part about online dating: I've written to some women where we have similar jobs, the same interests, same ethnicity, same age, same location, education and. Nada.
So when women say its not all about looks, when it comes to online dating, bullsh! T.
Now when I finally lose some weight, we'll see what's up.
Also, like I mentioned in an earlier discussion, if I start college in the fall and I haven't lost significant weight, I'm going to have to spend a lot of money on suits and dress shirts be / see that'll be the only way I can compete physically with younger guys. I hope I can lose the weight, not only for myself but also be / see my ideal outfit is jeans, t-shirt, track jacket and sneakers.
You know who I feel bad for? Shorter men. At least I can do something about my weight. Half the women online state UPFRONT they want a taller guy. Some even explicitly state : 'Don't bother if you're under such and such height. '
Not many guys state upfront 'no old chicks' or 'no small-breasted women'. I look at guys profiles to see what they do, and I've ever seen that.
Another thing that bothers me is women who misinterpret something I write, and they misinterpret it in the most negative way. This last week alone here's 3 examples that happened:
Woman 1: responds to me 2x, then sees my messaging preferences states no one older than 32 should contact me, she's 36, so bye bye. EVEN though I wrote TO her. I told her that I set up my profile years ago, I forgot I had even set it. At the time, I was 32 so that was my limit. I'm 36 now.
Woman 2: I say I don't want smokers, this hot latina chick in her profile writes that she has a few cigs on Saturday nights after she's had a few drinks. She responds saying 'DIDN'T YOU READ MY PROFILE? ' I explain to her that to me she's not a smoker- hell sometimes I'll have a cigarette 2-3 a year. Never heard from her again.
Woman 3: I tell her the reason she has a lot of meatheads writing to her (she wrote it in her profile) is be / see she has a pic of her tramp stamp depicting 2 angels. GET THIS: she replies, 'Read my profile again, that is a tattoo dedicated to my father and cousin. No response required. '
Really? To honor your dead father, you have a tattoo done right above your ass-crack! So when a guy jizzes after doing you doggy-style, he can jizz all over your dead father's memory?
WTF?
It is impossible to make this stuff up.
Australiasucks
02-23-11, 19:39
So basically DJ4M has concluded, as I think most of us have, that it has become a vicious circle.
I do think there is truth to that conclusion but as with many things its not that simple.
Not for me anyway, because I have a handicap. I'm fat. I'm 6'2, 290. Even though I'm pretty muscular, I look like a bouncer at a strip club be / see I have a big gut. I've mentioned this before.
DJ you have also mentioned that you had a less-than-ideal situation.
In person, I'm good looking enough and charming enough (I hope I'm not deluding myself!) that if I really want to get laid I can, just not with women who attract me. If I want a makeout at a nightclub or a, I can get it (and have had it) from good-looking women. But it never goes anywhere.
In reference to the okcupid article : I have also found that older women shoot me down as much as younger.
The worst part is when I get no responses from women I have so much in common with. That really is the worst part about online dating: I've written to some women where we have similar jobs, the same interests, same ethnicity, same age, same location, education and. Nada.
So when women say its not all about looks, when it comes to online dating, bullsh! T.
Now when I finally lose some weight, we'll see what's up.
Also, like I mentioned in an earlier discussion, if I start college in the fall and I haven't lost significant weight, I'm going to have to spend a lot of money on suits and dress shirts be / see that'll be the only way I can compete physically with younger guys. I hope I can lose the weight, not only for myself but also be / see my ideal outfit is jeans, t-shirt, track jacket and sneakers.
You know who I feel bad for? Shorter men. At least I can do something about my weight. Half the women online state UPFRONT they want a taller guy. Some even explicitly state : 'Don't bother if you're under such and such height. '
Not many guys state upfront 'no old chicks' or 'no small-breasted women'. I look at guys profiles to see what they do, and I've ever seen that.
Another thing that bothers me is women who misinterpret something I write, and they misinterpret it in the most negative way. This last week alone here's 3 examples that happened:
Woman 1: responds to me 2x, then sees my messaging preferences states no one older than 32 should contact me, she's 36, so bye bye. EVEN though I wrote TO her. I told her that I set up my profile years ago, I forgot I had even set it. At the time, I was 32 so that was my limit. I'm 36 now.
Woman 2: I say I don't want smokers, this hot latina chick in her profile writes that she has a few cigs on Saturday nights after she's had a few drinks. She responds saying 'DIDN'T YOU READ MY PROFILE? ' I explain to her that to me she's not a smoker- hell sometimes I'll have a cigarette 2-3 a year. Never heard from her again.
Woman 3: I tell her the reason she has a lot of meatheads writing to her (she wrote it in her profile) is be / see she has a pic of her tramp stamp depicting 2 angels. GET THIS: she replies, 'Read my profile again, that is a tattoo dedicated to my father and cousin. No response required. '
Really? To honor your dead father, you have a tattoo done right above your ass-crack! So when a guy jizzes after doing you doggy-style, he can jizz all over your dead father's memory?
WTF?
It is impossible to make this stuff up. Weight is something you can control, height is something you mostly cannot. I have heard of some people growing taller using HGH. Look at Stallone, he uses it, he looks a lot bigger and taller. Too bad those shots cost more than a new car.
PanamaPimpin
02-23-11, 22:32
speechless!
or better yet i'd like to meet the * that injected her with the poison. (see clip)
http://www.vladtv.com/video/38865/meet-the-worlds-youngest-feminist/
Bango Cheito
02-24-11, 05:02
speechless!
or better yet i'd like to meet the * that injected her with the poison. (see clip)
http://www.vladtv.com/video/38865/meet-the-worlds-youngest-feminist/would you prefer having to pay for everything while she boffs the ups guy anyways? .
at least she'll have her own $$$
Weight is something you can control, height is something you mostly cannot. I have heard of some people growing taller using HGH. Look at Stallone, he uses it, he looks a lot bigger and taller. Too bad those shots cost more than a new car.Not to mention he looks like a badly drawn cartoon character.
The requirements of online american women daters are absolutely absurd. Most require a certain height, weight, hair color, eye color, dick size, income, car type, home location, tattoo, profession and of course catering to their every whim and wham. I shit you not! Ironically they are usually aging, fat ass, homely, boring and incessant self-centered blithering idiots who lost whatever sex appeal they had many years ago.
Even if she happens to be good looking, young and sexy she surely would not be interested in the likes of me. So I simply think about her sexier and available foreign equivalent to the continents East or South who I will be doinking in record time for much less cost and infinitely more fun. Sexy AWs have no clue when I smile at them that is what I am thinking about.
So basically DJ4M has concluded, as I think most of us have, that it has become a vicious circle.
I do think there is truth to that conclusion but as with many things its not that simple.
Not for me anyway, because I have a handicap. I'm fat. I'm 6'2, 290. Even though I'm pretty muscular, I look like a bouncer at a strip club be / see I have a big gut. I've mentioned this before.
DJ you have also mentioned that you had a less-than-ideal situation.
In person, I'm good looking enough and charming enough (I hope I'm not deluding myself!) that if I really want to get laid I can, just not with women who attract me. If I want a makeout at a nightclub or a, I can get it (and have had it) from good-looking women. But it never goes anywhere.
In reference to the okcupid article : I have also found that older women shoot me down as much as younger.
The worst part is when I get no responses from women I have so much in common with. That really is the worst part about online dating: I've written to some women where we have similar jobs, the same interests, same ethnicity, same age, same location, education and. Nada.
So when women say its not all about looks, when it comes to online dating, bullsh! T.
Now when I finally lose some weight, we'll see what's up.
Also, like I mentioned in an earlier discussion, if I start college in the fall and I haven't lost significant weight, I'm going to have to spend a lot of money on suits and dress shirts be / see that'll be the only way I can compete physically with younger guys. I hope I can lose the weight, not only for myself but also be / see my ideal outfit is jeans, t-shirt, track jacket and sneakers.
You know who I feel bad for? Shorter men. At least I can do something about my weight. Half the women online state UPFRONT they want a taller guy. Some even explicitly state : 'Don't bother if you're under such and such height. '
Not many guys state upfront 'no old chicks' or 'no small-breasted women'. I look at guys profiles to see what they do, and I've ever seen that.
Another thing that bothers me is women who misinterpret something I write, and they misinterpret it in the most negative way. This last week alone here's 3 examples that happened:
Woman 1: responds to me 2x, then sees my messaging preferences states no one older than 32 should contact me, she's 36, so bye bye. EVEN though I wrote TO her. I told her that I set up my profile years ago, I forgot I had even set it. At the time, I was 32 so that was my limit. I'm 36 now.
Woman 2: I say I don't want smokers, this hot latina chick in her profile writes that she has a few cigs on Saturday nights after she's had a few drinks. She responds saying 'DIDN'T YOU READ MY PROFILE? ' I explain to her that to me she's not a smoker- hell sometimes I'll have a cigarette 2-3 a year. Never heard from her again.
Woman 3: I tell her the reason she has a lot of meatheads writing to her (she wrote it in her profile) is be / see she has a pic of her tramp stamp depicting 2 angels. GET THIS: she replies, 'Read my profile again, that is a tattoo dedicated to my father and cousin. No response required. '
Really? To honor your dead father, you have a tattoo done right above your ass-crack! So when a guy jizzes after doing you doggy-style, he can jizz all over your dead father's memory?
WTF?
It is impossible to make this stuff up.
This is a winner! An article in the Travel section of the Wall Street Journal. 19 Feb 2011, describing the wonderful "honeymoon for one" that an AW enjoyed in Venice (while her new hubby strove to get a replacement for his lost passport, back in NYC).
Skip the ring, skip the $50,000 Bridezilla Extravaganza, let her go buy her own fuggin' honeymoon for herself.
Too bad her brand spankin' new hubby caught up with her, rather than have the marriage annulled for desertion.
My Perfect Honeymoon (That I Spent Alone) (https://www.google.com/accounts/RP?c=CPrc5bqYq536OBDRko6FusTVq8cB&hl=en_US)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts4sEBb2K3s&feature=related
Eddie Murphy said it right 25 years ago.
American women will completely change your foreign wife! (starts at about 1:18) Then that moron went out and married an AW. Got divorced and had to pay her 25 million!
Australiasucks
02-26-11, 04:23
Not to mention he looks like a badly drawn cartoon character.I have to say HGH is something else, I am in my 40s but I am now in better shape than I was in my teens and twenties and its because of HGH, I also have noticed that I am now slightly taller, not by much but a few inches. My mental sharpness and sex drive resembles that of a 20 year old rather than a man pushing 50. Having a few inches of height always helps when it comes to the ladies, and this goes for women everywhere, not just America, if you are taller it always helps, I think its biological.
If you had two men, one 6'1" and average looking with a pot belly, and another man 5'8" but fit and good looking, chances are the average looking tall fella will get the girl. Size matters.
ThatGuy865
02-26-11, 15:44
Then that moron went out and married an AW. Got divorced and had to pay her 25 million!That goes to show you. Even when you know they are bad for you. When you have the choice of any woman in the world like Eddie did. AW are up there with the best.
Bango Cheito
02-27-11, 09:03
That goes to show you. Even when you know they are bad for you. When you have the choice of any woman in the world like Eddie did. AW are up there with the best.I just think that means he was an idiot when it comes to woman, plain and simple.
The US is full of such nasty women that gringos are famous for coming to Colombia and hooking up with the first nasty questionable ugly piece of ass they can find, because even an ugly girl here is way above the median line by gringo standards :P You see it all the time.
Mr Enternational
02-27-11, 10:04
You know who I feel bad for? Shorter men. At least I can do something about my weight. Half the women online state UPFRONT they want a taller guy. Some even explicitly state : 'Don't bother if you're under such and such height. '
Not many guys state upfront 'no old chicks' or 'no small-breasted women'. I look at guys profiles to see what they do, and I've ever seen that. For us it is all a numbers game. The less criteria that we impose the higher the number of women in our pot that we have to choose from. The women are tunnel vision and are looking for a man who can fit into the mold they already have. The men don't mind adjusting their mold for women in certain circumstances so we leave our options open. Don't want a woman over 40? Well this one is 42 and did I mention she had a $200, 000 job. In a situation like that what man would give a fuck about a couple of years age knowing he wouldn't always have to shell out money for shit when he is with her.
I have to say HGH is something else, I am in my 40s but I am now in better shape than I was in my teens and twenties and its because of HGH, I also have noticed that I am now slightly taller, not by much but a few inches. My mental sharpness and sex drive resembles that of a 20 year old rather than a man pushing 50. Having a few inches of height always helps when it comes to the ladies, and this goes for women everywhere, not just America, if you are taller it always helps, I think its biological.
If you had two men, one 6'1" and average looking with a pot belly, and another man 5'8" but fit and good looking, chances are the average looking tall fella will get the girl. Size matters. I've been into bodybuilding since I was thirteen years old but have never done any enhancement drugs minus creatine and whey protien powder. Why? Because guys who do juice and other enhancement drugs look like they do them. You might as well walk around with a syringe stuck in your arm. From my experience woman are totally grossed out by that look minus a few exceptions. It also screams narscissism which turns a woman off or makes her think you are gay.
I live in NYC where you see a lot of this going on. It's funny I've done a lot of drugs in my life but never accepted offers for enhancement drugs. I am 41 at the moment and yes my six pack stomach is gone for good and my joints can't take the abuse of heavy upper body workouts. Just a few push ups and chin ups but I am aging gracefully without any resentment what so ever.
The best part about it is I don't give a shit because I can buy pussy whenever I want it!
DJ FourMoney
02-27-11, 19:32
This is a winner! An article in the Travel section of the Wall Street Journal. 19 Feb 2011, describing the wonderful "honeymoon for one" that an AW enjoyed in Venice (while her new hubby strove to get a replacement for his lost passport, back in NYC).
Skip the ring, skip the $50, 000 Bridezilla Extravaganza, let her go buy her own fuggin' honeymoon for herself.
Too bad her brand spankin' new hubby caught up with her, rather than have the marriage annulled for desertion.
My Perfect Honeymoon (That I Spent Alone) (https://www.google.com/accounts/RP?c=CPrc5bqYq536OBDRko6FusTVq8cB&hl=en_US)That's no different than the dumb MF who still wanted to marry the "Runaway Bride" who of course (if not on cue) blamed her "disappearance" on some "Mexicans" or "Black Men" I forget, the point is it was a lie and she was forced to pay back the Sheriff Dept.
We have some real "Winners" in America. Go forth and multiple, I THINK NOT!
DJ FourMoney
02-27-11, 19:45
For us it is all a numbers game. The less criteria that we impose the higher the number of women in our pot that we have to choose from. The women are tunnel vision and are looking for a man who can fit into the mold they already have. The men don't mind adjusting their mold for women in certain circumstances so we leave our options open. Don't want a woman over 40? Well this one is 42 and did I mention she had a $200, 000 job. In a situation like that what man would give a fuck about a couple of years age knowing he wouldn't always have to shell out money for shit when he is with her.The only thing is. When you ask men what they want, I mean REALLY want they want. Its a nice looking woman that's also fairly smart if not educated. We generally accept less than we want anyway.
In other places on earth, there are more Women than Men and the supply of good looking smart women outnumber the men willing to look for them.
Once the perfect web site / portal comes along to simplify that without the fee for business model that is the Marriage Broker Industry, International Dating / Marriage will explode. I think its very clear than men are voting with their feet and that's a positive sign.
This is a winner! An article in the Travel section of the Wall Street Journal. 19 Feb 2011, describing the wonderful "honeymoon for one" that an AW enjoyed in Venice (while her new hubby strove to get a replacement for his lost passport, back in NYC).
Skip the ring, skip the $50, 000 Bridezilla Extravaganza, let her go buy her own fuggin' honeymoon for herself.
Too bad her brand spankin' new hubby caught up with her, rather than have the marriage annulled for desertion.
My Perfect Honeymoon (That I Spent Alone) (https://www.google.com/accounts/RP?c=CPrc5bqYq536OBDRko6FusTVq8cB&hl=en_US)From the article: "Walking out the door to go to the airport, my husband went to get his passport from his desk. It was missing. I called our housekeeper but she hadn't seen it. We searched the apartment. I called the Terrorist Investigation Unit of the FBI to report it stolen by the carpet cleaner."
Do you really believe it was the carpet cleaner who stole her husband's passport?
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703786804576138650128293260.html?mod=WSJ_topics_obama
Well written article that exposes the bullshit us guys in our 20s and 30s have to put up with when it comes to AW:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-02-28/why-are-men-angry-manning-up-author-kay-hymowitz-explains/?cid=hp:mainpromo6
Men in their twenties and thirties are fed up with women, but author Kay Hymowitz says you can't blame them when women are demanding equality except when it comes to romance.
About a week ago, The Wall Street Journal published an excerpt of my new book, which argued that the new stage I call pre-adulthood—the twenties and early thirties—was not bringing out the best in single young men. Some men didn't like it. As in, 'cancel-my-subscription-the-writer-should-contract-such-a-bad-case-of-carpel-tunnel-syndrome-she-never-writes-again' didn't like it.
But a lot of the responses unwittingly proved my point—and another one: Men are really, really angry. Consider: 'We're not STUCK in pre-adulthood, we choose it because there aren't any desirable American women. They've been bred to abuse men. ' This fairly typical response that appeared at the Seattle Post Intelligencer website: 'Sorry ladies. In the age of PlayStation 3s. 24-hours-a-day sports channels, and free Internet porn, you are now obsolete. All that nagging, whining, and stealing our hard earned cash have finally caught up to you."
Shocked? I wasn t. During the last few years researching this age group, I've stumbled onto a powerful underground current of male bitterness that has nothing to do with outsourcing, the Mancession, or any of the other issues we usually associate with contemporary male discontent. No, this is bitterness from guys who find the young women they might have hoped to hang out with entitled, dishonest, self-involved, slutty, manipulative, shallow, controlling—and did I mention gold-digging?
Check out the websites like names like MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way) , Nomarriage. Com, or EternalBachelor. Com ('Give Modern Women the Husband They Deserve. None. '). Or read popular bloggers like the pseudonymous Roissy, a ferociously caustic dissector of female 'sluttiness' and 'shit tests' (attempts to manipulate men). There are dozens upon dozens of gurus and counselors who publish posts like '42 Things Wrong With American Women' while chat forums ruminate over how 'American Women Suck. '
Women may want equality at the conference table and treadmill. But when it comes to sex and dating, they aren't so sure.
So, is this what Susan Faludi famously called the backlash? Is it immaturity, as my own book seems to suggest? Is it the Internet as an escape valve for decades of pent-up rebellion against political correctness? Or, is it just good, old-fashioned misogyny?
A bit of all of the above, probably. But there's another reason for these rants, one that is far less understood. Let's call it gender bait and switch. Never before in history have men been matched up with women who are so much their equal—socially, professionally, and sexually. By the time they reach their twenties, they have years of experience with women as equal competitors—in school, on soccer fields, and even in bed. They very reasonably assume that the women they are meeting at a bar or café or gym are after the same things they are: financial independence, career success, toned triceps, and sex.
That's the bait; here comes the switch. Women may want equality at the conference table and treadmill. But when it comes to sex and dating, they aren't so sure. The might hook up as freely as a Duke athlete. Or, they might want men to play Greatest Generation gentleman. Yes, they want men to pay for dinner, call for dates—a writer at the popular dating website The Frisky titled a recent piece 'Call me and ask me out for a damn date! '—and open doors for them. A lot of men wonder: 'WTF? ' Why should they do the asking? Why should they pay for dinner? After all, they are equals and in any case, the woman a guy is asking out probably has more cash in her pocket than he does; recent female graduates are making more than males in most large cities.
Sure, girls can—and do—ask guys out for dinner and pick up the check without missing a beat. Women can make that choice. Men say they have no choice. If they want a life, they have to ask women out on dates; they have to initiate conversations at bars and parties, they have to take the lead on sex. Women can take a Chinese menu approach to gender roles. They can be all 'Let me pay for the movie tickets' on Friday nights, and 'A single rose? That's it? ' on Valentine's Day.
Far worse in the bait and switch category is women's stated preference for nice guys and actual attraction to bad boys. Now, clearly this is not true for all women. Many, maybe even most, want a guy with the sweetness of a Jimmy Stewart and sensitivity of Ashley Wilkes. But enough of them are partial to the Charlie Sheens of this world that one popular dating guru, David DeAngleo, lists 'Being Too Much of a Nice Guy' as No. 1 in his 'Ten Most Dangerous Mistakes Men Make With Women. ' At a website with the evocative name Relationshit. Com, ('Brutally honest dating advice for the cynical, bitter, and jaded, ' and sociological cousin of Dating-is-Hell. Com) the most highly trafficked pages are those asking the question why women don't like good guys.
PlayStations and Internet porn? For a lot of guys, they seem like the better way.
LittleTruths
03-01-11, 00:31
Thanks Bejeesus a good laughter is always guaranteed around here!
The one about the angel tramp stamp allegedly "in memory of" is really shit that couldn't possibly be made up! Excellent! It reminded me of a profile I have seen recently, a mid-thirties AW on a sugar-daddy dating site and the caption of this three-holed-clown read "FAMILY-ORIENTED bla-bla-bla"; right the moment I've seen that even the the good lord almighty bursted out a thunderous laughter from above, or so it seemed to me. This goes back to what DJ4M was also mentioning about the article. Thing is, you just can't be a woman and be family oriented when you're past 30 and have no family nor you've given birth yet, it's just plain ridiculous. Women are developing earlier and earlier these days, or so it seems when you see 10-year old girlies giving birth, and alas, even the end of their reproductive life known as menopause can come as early as their thirties. A 30-something woman's value as a potential mother is dubious at best, and most probably a scam of Nigerian proportions altogether.
Any honestly-speaking (read; drunk and high on coke and E at the same time) attractive 30-some-year old woman will tell you that they have seen a dramatic decrease in the amount of attention men give them on a daily basis once past 25.
Past 25 for a woman means past her prime and everybody knows it, so as their position of power gets eroded slowly but surely, they need to find some man that for some reason buys (read; marries) their rotting asse (t) s. If they fail to find one such benefactor that is willing to embrace her eternal quest of selfish happiness, all they can do is to start coming to terms with reality; which often includes lowering those ridiculous expectations accordingly to what they still can get away with, drunken clubbing, developing psycosis and so on.
One day they wake up and realize all of the bullshit mistakes they did that kept them from finding true happiness (which often lays in the simplest things) but alas, they are already rounding forties and it's already game over in a certain sense. Very sad indeed.
Arrogance has deeply poisoned society as a whole; you can see every decent-to-good looking girl nowadays has ideas of grandeur in her head. How often have you seen or read of girl's interests being "acting, modelling"? She's barely cute and already thinks she's going to Hypnotize the whole world and let it bow to her wishes with that pussy of hers, LOL. That's what I'm talking about, these beetches look like they're out on a mission to conqueer the world, it makes you wonder how comes they don't rule the whole motherfucker up already, or even more how comes all of that material thirst disappears when it comes to the possibilty of them having to actually WORK FOR IT.
LOL.
I better go to sleep now!
Bless
Mr Enternational
03-01-11, 03:52
One day they wake up and realize all of the bullshit mistakes they did that kept them from finding true happiness (which often lays in the simplest things) but alas, they are already rounding forties and it's already game over in a certain sense. Very sad indeed.But don't you just love they way they keep hope alive? Especially the ones with 4 or 5 kids.
DJ FourMoney
03-01-11, 05:30
Thanks Bejeesus a good laughter is always guaranteed around here!
The one about the angel tramp stamp allegedly "in memory of" is really shit that couldn't possibly be made up! Excellent! It reminded me of a profile I have seen recently, a mid-thirties AW on a sugar-daddy dating site and the caption of this three-holed-clown read "FAMILY-ORIENTED bla-bla-bla"; right the moment I've seen that even the the good lord almighty bursted out a thunderous laughter from above, or so it seemed to me. This goes back to what DJ4M was also mentioning about the article. Thing is, you just can't be a woman and be family oriented when you're past 30 and have no family nor you've given birth yet, it's just plain ridiculous. Women are developing earlier and earlier these days, or so it seems when you see 10-year old girlies giving birth, and alas, even the end of their reproductive life known as menopause can come as early as their thirties. A 30-something woman's value as a potential mother is dubious at best, and most probably a scam of Nigerian proportions altogether.
Any honestly-speaking (read; drunk and high on coke and E at the same time) attractive 30-some-year old woman will tell you that they have seen a dramatic decrease in the amount of attention men give them on a daily basis once past 25.
Past 25 for a woman means past her prime and everybody knows it, so as their position of power gets eroded slowly but surely, they need to find some man that for some reason buys (read; marries) their rotting asse (t) s. If they fail to find one such benefactor that is willing to embrace her eternal quest of selfish happiness, all they can do is to start coming to terms with reality; which often includes lowering those ridiculous expectations accordingly to what they still can get away with, drunken clubbing, developing psycosis and so on.
One day they wake up and realize all of the bullshit mistakes they did that kept them from finding true happiness (which often lays in the simplest things) but alas, they are already rounding forties and it's already game over in a certain sense. Very sad indeed.
Arrogance has deeply poisoned society as a whole; you can see every decent-to-good looking girl nowadays has ideas of grandeur in her head. How often have you seen or read of girl's interests being "acting, modelling"? She's barely cute and already thinks she's going to Hypnotize the whole world and let it bow to her wishes with that pussy of hers, LOL. That's what I'm talking about, these beetches look like they're out on a mission to conqueer the world, it makes you wonder how comes they don't rule the whole motherfucker up already, or even more how comes all of that material thirst disappears when it comes to the possibilty of them having to actually WORK FOR IT.
LOL.
I better go to sleep now!
BlessBravo.
But don't you just love they way they keep hope alive? Especially the ones with 4 or 5 kids.Those women are a prize, second to none. They still won't accept reality. With one YOUNG child some men might forgive you for making a mistake with some moron but two kids, three or even four, forget it. What knuckle head wants a woman with four children and not even 35?
There are thousands if not millions of women just in Europe and South America that are tired of South American Machismo and Slavic Boorish, Thuggery. Not just that but they just out number the available men in their country, that's why you don't have the English speaking guys from those countries going." Marry your own women", they are more like "There's plenty of share." Only immature, boorish, Neanderthals cause trouble.
Even the woman I visited in Ukraine has found me on Facebook and asked when I was coming back to Ukraine. She's too old, I would think about 36-37 now and frankly doesn't look that great, just okay. I've had several women on various sites hit me up that are as young as 22, but the majority are mid 20's.
Why in the fuck as Black Man would want White American Women, let alone Black American Women?
I am going to investigate South America, I can't imagine nothing better than a fair skinned Latina with a body to die for. She would clean up at Bikini Contest here in America with her naturally caramel skin tone and curves to make a grown man cry.
But if that doesn't work, runway model quality Slavic or Scandinavian woman would do just fine.
These are death throws of American Culture about to hit rock bottom and in desperate need of a REBOOT.
Chocha Monger
03-02-11, 03:50
I am going to investigate South America, I can't imagine nothing better than a fair skinned Latina with a body to die for. She would clean up at Bikini Contest here in America with her naturally caramel skin tone and curves to make a grown man cry.
But if that doesn't work, runway model quality Slavic or Scandinavian woman would do just fine. DJ,
Without instruction you're headed for destruction. That is exactly what you do not want to do. How do you plan on holding on to that extremely tasty piece of ass once you import her? She will attract the attention of men with power, money and high social status. What will stop her from trading up? Is it love, loyalty, faithfulness or maybe even gratitude? I have dealt with American women and foreign women. It's rare that any woman gives up pussy without the potential for receiving some immediate or future benefit. There are some women that fuck men just for the pleasure and variety but you're not looking for those. You're looking for the ones who want a family. That kind puts a high value on men who can provide a mansion and huge SUV desired for the housing and transportation of their offspring. The local men in foreign countries get first pick and the best girls get snapped up and married at an early age. There are many attractive women abroad but they're not all marriageable. Some have serious character flaws among other things. Finding that dime piece is not as easy as it seems. There are more possibilities than in the USA, but the search for right one is not necessarily any easier. Many will try to convince you that they're the one who should win that visa.
DJ,
Without instruction you're headed for destruction. That is exactly what you do not want to do. How do you plan on holding on to that extremely tasty piece of ass once you import her? She will attract the attention of men with power, money and high social status. What will stop her from trading up? Is it love, loyalty, faithfulness or maybe even gratitude? I have dealt with American women and foreign women. It's rare that any woman gives up pussy without the potential for receiving some immediate or future benefit. There are some women that fuck men just for the pleasure and variety but you're not looking for those. You're looking for the ones who want a family. That kind puts a high value on men who can provide a mansion and huge SUV desired for the housing and transportation of their offspring. The local men in foreign countries get first pick and the best girls get snapped up and married at an early age. There are many attractive women abroad but they're not all marriageable. Some have serious character flaws among other things. Finding that dime piece is not as easy as it seems. There are more possibilities than in the USA, but the search for right one is not necessarily any easier. Many will try to convince you that they're the one who should win that visa. You are so right! It may really take time and effort to find something in a foreign country. Also many "normal" local girls would not want to do anything with foreigners.
I do not know why but for some reason nobody discusses this: there is really good chance for a foreigner (and locals too!) to meet and marry an ex prostitute. While thinking and believing she is a "regular" or "normal". And you will never tell, unless you or your friends have known her and her family personally for years. Or you need some good ability to distinguish between working girls and "normals". But the biggest puzzle can be to spot an ex or undercover working girl. Maybe many people do not think much about it, but I think some could be concerned about these kinda of things.
You also need to know local customs, lifestyle, language, etc. Just to have some idea of what you are getting yourself into. And still women can make you believe into anything they want you to believe. They scam locals to some extent and for sure they can scam foreigners big time if they want to.
Mr Enternational
03-02-11, 19:21
You are so right! It may really take time and effort to find something in a foreign country. Also many "normal" local girls would not want to do anything with foreigners.I don't really agree with this. I have personally disproven it at least a couple hundred times.
You also need to know local customs, lifestyle, language, etc. Just to have some idea of what you are getting yourself into.There is no way around this step. It must be taken. Maybe that is why I am so successful in other venues.
I don't really agree with this. I have personally disproven it at least a couple hundred times.Probably you are not a typical gringo. And a couple of hundred is not a majority of the girls abroad.
I was also talking about a serious relationship / marriage, not just a fuck / friendship.
I'm pretty sure that not every girls abroad is eager to meet and have a relationship with a foreigner.
Damn waking up next to a beautiful chick like Heidi Klum every morning! If an ugly guy looking fella like Seal can pick up a chick that looks that good, then there's hope for everyone here.
Frankypanky
03-03-11, 01:53
Damn waking up next to a beautiful chick like Heidi Klum every morning! If an ugly guy looking fella like Seal can pick up a chick that looks that good, then there's hope for everyone here.If you're an ugly guy with C A S H (and I mean lots of it). Then you can pick up a hot chick like that.
No money, no (hot) honey...
Bango Cheito
03-03-11, 05:27
You are so right! It may really take time and effort to find something in a foreign country. Also many "normal" local girls would not want to do anything with foreigners.
I do not know why but for some reason nobody discusses this: there is really good chance for a foreigner (and locals too!) to meet and marry an ex prostitute. While thinking and believing she is a "regular" or "normal". And you will never tell, unless you or your friends have known her and her family personally for years. Or you need some good ability to distinguish between working girls and "normals". But the biggest puzzle can be to spot an ex or undercover working girl. Maybe many people do not think much about it, but I think some could be concerned about these kinda of things.
You also need to know local customs, lifestyle, language, etc. Just to have some idea of what you are getting yourself into. And still women can make you believe into anything they want you to believe. They scam locals to some extent and for sure they can scam foreigners big time if they want to. Goga I don't even think that would be enough. Latin culture is extremely dissimulated. Even people who have been born and raised here have fallen for that. Many of times. You could take three educated looking-and-sounding people in suits, one is a bank executive, one is actually out of work and sponges off of his friends and family for money, one is a mugger!
People here are experts at appearing to be whatever they want to appear to be. I posted in another part of the board once, I think that at least 50% of women between 15 and 50 here in Bogota have charged somebody for sex at some point in their lives at least once.
Goga I don't even think that would be enough. Latin culture is extremely dissimulated. Even people who have been born and raised here have fallen for that. Many of times. You could take three educated looking-and-sounding people in suits, one is a bank executive, one is actually out of work and sponges off of his friends and family for money, one is a mugger!
People here are experts at appearing to be whatever they want to appear to be. I posted in another part of the board once, I think that at least 50% of women between 15 and 50 here in Bogota have charged somebody for sex at some point in their lives at least once.BC, I'm not talking only about South America! The same is for many other countries, or actually everywhere. I've been to Colombia many times, but it's a foreign language and culture for me there, no way I would figure it out unless living there for many years. And I already have seen lots of "scams" there. For example a girl working in casa while having a boyfriend. Or I had three "girlfriends" who were whoring around during day, but telling parents and grandparents that they work in a retail or food store.
In a way similar shit is going on another continent. In a FSU country I have met some innocent looking girls who were fucking during day, then going home early evening. Some were even virgins (so they do BJ only). Some had fiances who would be allowed to have sex with them only after marriage. I saw all this bullshit from the other side, but I realized that I could be easily scammed too. And I'm sure lots of people do get scammed. I heard stories from people that some Americans married prostitutes. I could see it easily happen. Any prostitute could easily turn into a "regular" once she sees a decent opportunity to get married with a gringo. I guess it is still better for an American than to marry an AW.
To get back to the subject. An awesome video, what AW do in Jamaica:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW2WH0uKnhA
CherchezFemme
03-04-11, 08:00
I. I am 41 at the moment and yes my six pack stomach is gone for good and my joints can't take the abuse of heavy upper body workouts. Just a few push ups and chin ups but I am aging gracefully without any resentment what so ever.!Dude. 41 is not a big deal. You make it seem as if you're decrepit! Maybe you can go heavy, maybe you can't. What do you consider heavy? Do you work on mobility, pre-hab, foam-rolling? Do you take your fish oil, your glucosamine, MSM?
CherchezFemme
03-04-11, 08:25
Then that moron went out and married an AW. Got divorced and had to pay her 25 million!But she did give him FIVE kids, so props to her. She still looks fine too.
Damn waking up next to a beautiful chick like Heidi Klum every morning! If an ugly guy looking fella like Seal can pick up a chick that looks that good, then there's hope for everyone here.After her Italian tycoon boyfriend dropped her while pregnant, she jumped at Seal with the quickness. Kind of reminds one of Bridget Moynihan who got dumped while pregnant by Tom Brady the Football star.
Lots of women out here with kids looking for a man nowadays. Some men don't mind, so more power to them both. I try to stay focused knowing there is plenty of fish in the sea without having to deal with extra issues. You have to ask yourself also if the chick would give you the time of day if she had no kids. What kind of judgement does this women have if she met and let a dude drop his seed in her and vanish from her life?
I had a Dominicana headcase tell me once she had a kid in the DR. After I said "really" with a straight face, she said "just kidding." Not too long after that I distanced myself from her even though she was five ten all hips with 40DD's. That little comment / game she made negated all that.
LittleTruths
03-04-11, 13:41
To get back to the subject. An awesome video, what AW do in Jamaica:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW2WH0uKnhAExcellent! Thanks for the video. I guess it takes a bunch of horny Jamaicans for a swine like that to humped at so mercilessly!
BC, I'm not talking only about South America! The same is for many other countries, or actually everywhere. I've been to Colombia many times, but it's a foreign language and culture for me there, no way I would figure it out unless living there for many years. And I already have seen lots of "scams" there. For example a girl working in casa while having a boyfriend. Or I had three "girlfriends" who were whoring around during day, but telling parents and grandparents that they work in a retail or food store.
In a way similar shit is going on another continent. In a FSU country I have met some innocent looking girls who were fucking during day, then going home early evening. Some were even virgins (so they do BJ only). Some had fiances who would be allowed to have sex with them only after marriage. I saw all this bullshit from the other side, but I realized that I could be easily scammed too. And I'm sure lots of people do get scammed. I heard stories from people that some Americans married prostitutes. I could see it easily happen. Any prostitute could easily turn into a "regular" once she sees a decent opportunity to get married with a gringo. I guess it is still better for an American than to marry an AW.[/url]
Can't not agree with that.
When it comes to women the only way for peace of mind is to keep telling yourself that if you can trust yourself (can you?) you can trust your partner and that's it. No man that gets involved with a woman is immune to being made a fool of, period. On the other hand, one could argue that as long as the partner keeps it on the low and doesn't let you know shit it could all be just fine...only problem I have found in this tho; while it has always been easy for me not to get caught by my partners on my fucking around, I couldn't say my partners have ever been just as clever as me. LOL
Bless
Chocha Monger
03-04-11, 13:54
This Jamaican chick is a real spinner!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM0-vn6dP0w&NR=1
Chocha Monger
03-05-11, 23:36
According to this study, young American men are finding pooning a lot easier and cheaper.
http://www.slate.com/id/2286240
ThatGuy865
03-06-11, 21:00
According to this study, young American men are finding pooning a lot easier and cheaper.
http://www.slate.com/id/2286240It Don't sound like too many Guys are complaining about the lack of pussy from AW by this article.
In fact most seem quite happy.
This might be true for male students in college but out in the "real world" there is a pussy drought IMHO.
It Don't sound like too many Guys are complaining about the lack of pussy from AW by this article.
In fact most seem quite happy.
This might be true for male students in college but out in the "real world" there is a pussy drought IMHO.Not true. Reality is the good ones get snapped up. The dregs get no takers. Settle for fugly and you can have all you want. In USA or anywhere. 'make an ugly woman your wife, and be happy for the rest of your life. ' LOL.
ThatGuy865
03-08-11, 05:38
this might be true for male students in college but out in the "real world" there is a pussy drought imho.thats not what the article states:
the national longitudinal study of adolescent health data offer other glimpses into just how low the cost of sex is for young men ages 18 through 23. take the speed with which these men say their romantic relationships become sexual: 36 percent of young men's relationships add sex by the end of the second week of exclusivity; an additional 13 percent do so by the end of the first month. a second indicator of cheap sex is the share of young men's sexual relationships—30 percent—that don't involve romance at all: no wooing, no dates, no nothing.not only are they getting sex. they are getting it free. 30% thats like 1 in 3.
i don't think there's going to be any mad dash out of "pussy heaven" for guys any time soon.
Oh and by the way I think this article is total BS.
Thats not what the article states:
Not only are they getting sex. They are getting it FREE. 30% thats like 1 in 3.
I don't think there's going to be any mad dash out of "Pussy Heaven" for guys any time soon.
Bango Cheito
03-08-11, 23:00
Not true. Reality is the good ones get snapped up. The dregs get no takers. Settle for fugly and you can have all you want. In USA or anywhere. 'make an ugly woman your wife, and be happy for the rest of your life. ' LOL.I don't know if I agree with it. The US is full of dead ass ugly people of BOTH sexes, just about ALL of whom have stupidly high exepectations. The only difference here in Colombia is that people are a LOT better looking on average, but I have had fat chicks here reject ME for being fat, not even as fat as THEY were fat :P it happens. I've also had women some of you on the board may have paid the big bucks for for free. There are still a few out there who see beyond the physical.
I think the article was written by some bible-thumping retard with an agenda to try and shock people about "how promiscuous today's youf are" or maybe somebody from a humanist perspective but equally repressive. The reality is I don't think people have ever had LESS sex in the USA than now :P Could be that a few really good looking charming college age guys are getting laid all they want. But the % is lower than ever.
Yes I completely agree with you BC. I was a decent looking athlete in college, had all the free pussy I ever wanted. Sometimes I had to just say NO.
Fast forward to now, I'm in decent shape, relatively good looking and cannot be bothered with all the BS one has to go through to get some simple "non pro" pussy. It's not easy in the "real world".
I've had several p4p girls tell me what the fuck am I doing paying for pussy. I tell 'em it's easier, less BS and drama. In other words I pay to fuck 'em and they leave!
I don't know if I agree with it. The US is full of dead ass ugly people of BOTH sexes, just about ALL of whom have stupidly high exepectations. The only difference here in Colombia is that people are a LOT better looking on average, but I have had fat chicks here reject ME for being fat, not even as fat as THEY were fat :P it happens. I've also had women some of you on the board may have paid the big bucks for for free. There are still a few out there who see beyond the physical.
I think the article was written by some bible-thumping retard with an agenda to try and shock people about "how promiscuous today's youf are" or maybe somebody from a humanist perspective but equally repressive. The reality is I don't think people have ever had LESS sex in the USA than now :P Could be that a few really good looking charming college age guys are getting laid all they want. But the % is lower than ever.
DJ FourMoney
03-09-11, 07:31
Who said I would be bringing a girl back here? I'm not convinced the country is moving in the right direction socially. I am not concerned about American Culture (such as it is) screwing up my woman. I don't know why the specter of this continues on this board. If you pick the right woman as I have said before, she'll think American Culture is ridiculous and ass-backwards. That doesn't mean she doesn't take advantage of what America has to ofter which isn't much these days unless you're talking about rampant consumerism, but that means when you need a new TV there's always one on sale.
Our school system is broken and I'm don't believe moving to affluent areas helps because the corruption even in those affluent areas has to be seen to believe. Google "Not As Good As You Think" the Myth of Middle Class (and upper class) schools. In poor areas they just aren't interested in having smart children, in the suburbs are just full of cheats and crooks.
I choose IT because its one of the few careers that don't require a college degree and requires English in many cases. I was already well versed in computers so it just made sense and for my meager investment of $70 at a local occupational center I will get enough information to pass not only the CompTIA A+ but the Network + as well in 9 weeks! The class across the street (Jr College) takes an entire semester and you'll only get enough info for A+. My instructor had run his own computer business since the 5. 25 floppy days.
I am on the right track, I just need some experience and I can gain that at home while I work locally and search for my bride online and make trips abroad as needed. By the time I have 2-3 years of experience I can start applying for jobs with the UN in Geneva, NATO in Brussels or with international companies like DHL who currently has opening in IT as I write this, as well as the two places I just mentioned, don't believe me? Have a look at their job boards.
I'm also convinced that even though it says they are looking for degree holders with IT for jobs in Denmark. Dollars to Donuts says I can find a job in IT in Denmark, Sweden or Norway by just having a CV with experience and a solid interview.
I can't keep listening to doubters because misery loves company because without company there's nobody to complain too.
I feel I'm a good judge of character and can't be swayed by sex. Can I be swayed by Beauty and Sex? That is an unknown, I've either known good looking women or had sex with average to above average women but I think that has more to do with where I live and not what I can attract. If I end up with a stunner and she fucks good, I might be in trouble. More than likely though, I'll end up with somebody pleasant to look at, that wants to be a mother and wants to live under the motto of WE / US, not You or I.
DJ FourMoney
03-09-11, 07:50
DJ,
Without instruction you're headed for destruction. That is exactly what you do not want to do. How do you plan on holding on to that extremely tasty piece of ass once you import her? She will attract the attention of men with power, money and high social status. What will stop her from trading up? Is it love, loyalty, faithfulness or maybe even gratitude? I have dealt with American women and foreign women. It's rare that any woman gives up pussy without the potential for receiving some immediate or future benefit. There are some women that fuck men just for the pleasure and variety but you're not looking for those. You're looking for the ones who want a family. That kind puts a high value on men who can provide a mansion and huge SUV desired for the housing and transportation of their offspring. The local men in foreign countries get first pick and the best girls get snapped up and married at an early age. There are many attractive women abroad but they're not all marriageable. Some have serious character flaws among other things. Finding that dime piece is not as easy as it seems. There are more possibilities than in the USA, but the search for right one is not necessarily any easier. Many will try to convince you that they're the one who should win that visa. As long as I can beat back the lonely monster I'll be fine. There are a few key words that need to be spoken before I will start any K-1 or use the back-door. As I said in my other post, I might not come back here to raise children, we'll see. I also don't automatically assume that good looking women don't want the same thing average looking do.
Women Only GET WHAT MEN ALLOW THEM TO HAVE, PERIOD. If your foolish enough to roll over just because a woman is good looking or swallows your seed, then you get what's comin to ya.
Bango Cheito
03-09-11, 08:46
Yes I completely agree with you BC. I was a decent looking athlete in college, had all the free pussy I ever wanted. Sometimes I had to just say NO.
Fast forward to now, I'm in decent shape, relatively good looking and cannot be bothered with all the BS one has to go through to get some simple "non pro" pussy. It's not easy in the "real world".
I've had several p4p girls tell me what the fuck am I doing paying for pussy. I tell 'them it's easier, less BS and drama. In other words I pay to fuck 'them and they leave! Yeah in the real world p4p is severely underrated. Like I said, on several occasions I was able to get into the beds of women who routinely charge the big bucks for sex here, and even then, now I wonder if it was worth it to go that route. One girl was the biggest **** I've ever encountered in my 21 years as a professional musician and it took till the 4th date before we finally did the deed. Because she was playing her part, for whom I have no idea :P.
I knew she was a pro the first time we did anal, no non-pro takes it that easy. I told her right then and there "baby doll you are so full of shit, I know you charge for sex, nobody does anal that well unless they make money at it". . That's the first clue that Little Miss Innocent is a pro. If she takes it in the ass as easily as she takes it in the pussy, or if she can make you come in 38. 6 seconds flat with the best blowjob you've ever had. She didn't get that good practicing on the bedpost.
What's the point of lying and being lied to just so you can call some puta your girlfriend meanwhile you're fucking around behind her back and she's doing the same. One would suppose that at least you get priority of someone's time when they are the official gf but here in the big city people are so busy with work and shit what does it matter?
My friend I mentioned earlier in this thread who looks like a young Jon Bon Jovi and has fucked half the female population of Bogota, I even wonder if he's getting the great deal he thinks he is at times. He mentioned to me he doesn't like getting BJs from girls because they are too rough on his dick. I've never had that problem with a pro :P
Chocha Monger
03-09-11, 14:12
As long as I can beat back the lonely monster I'll be fine. There are a few key words that need to be spoken before I will start any K-1 or use the back-door. As I said in my other post, I might not come back here to raise children, we'll see. I also don't automatically assume that good looking women don't want the same thing average looking do.
Women Only GET WHAT MEN ALLOW THEM TO HAVE, PERIOD. If your foolish enough to roll over just because a woman is good looking or swallows your seed, then you get what's comin to ya. Any attractive woman in America can get a lot more than what men would like her to have. The tendency of divorce courts to rule largely in women's favor bears this out. If you marry or have children in America when things go to shit the woman will be getting the kids and your money. Marry or knock her up and you've just let her have what she wants period! There are worse things than loneliness but you have to experience them to understand. Expect disappointment when betting on another human being for happiness. I've found that making lots of money and staying free is the best choice for living in America.
I choose IT because its one of the few careers that don't require a college degree and requires English in many cases. I was already well versed in computers so it just made sense and for my meager investment of $70 at a local occupational center I will get enough information to pass not only the CompTIA A+ but the Network + as well in 9 weeks! The class across the street (Jr College) takes an entire semester and you'll only get enough info for A+. My instructor had run his own computer business since the 5. 25 floppy days.
I. Kudos to you for getting your priorites right. I hope you are beginning to recognize the farce it is to think that in this "the world is flat era" that running abroad to find a woman is anything but asinine. Get you money right and the pusssy will flow no matter where you are unless you are ugly, fat, and have no personality.
Reality Check: The EU does not really hire Yanks to work in the IT sector; however, if you can get on with a multinational you can work wherever they have projects. Your best bet is to get a security clearance and do DOD IT work in Europe or wherever else. Those guys make good $$ and the jobs can't be outsourced to an Indian or EE for 20% of the cost of a Yank.
Cheers
I don't really agree with this. I have personally disproven it at least a couple hundred times.
There is no way around this step. It must be taken. Maybe that is why I am so successful in other venues.
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Reports:1,259 Originally Posted by Goga Fung
You are so right! It may really take time and effort to find something in a foreign country. Also many "normal" local girls would not want to do anything with foreigners.
I don't really agree with this. I have personally disproven it at least a couple hundred times.
Originally Posted by Goga Fung
You also need to know local customs, lifestyle, language, etc. Just to have some idea of what you are getting yourself into.
There is no way around this step. It must be taken. Maybe that is why I am so successful in other venues.
It depends on in what country and what the social level of the girl is. Upperclass an middleclass people in poor counties would never fuck with the kind of Thailand sexpat or KBR guy that make up much of the US expat community. In developed Euro countries there is a slight edge to saying you're from LA or whatever but it's not that much different than dating in the US.
Bravo.
There are thousands if not millions of women just in Europe and South America that are tired of South American Machismo and Slavic Boorish, Thuggery. Not just that but they just out number the available men in their country, that's why you don't have the English speaking guys from those countries going." Marry your own women", they are more like "There's plenty of share." Only immature, boorish, Neanderthals cause trouble.
Even the woman I visited in Ukraine has found me on Facebook and asked when I was coming back to Ukraine. She's too old, I would think about 36-37 now and frankly doesn't look that great, just okay. I've had several women on various sites hit me up that are as young as 22, but the majority are mid 20's.
Why in the fuck as Black Man would want White American Women, let alone Black American Women?
I am going to investigate South America, I can't imagine nothing better than a fair skinned Latina with a body to die for. She would clean up at Bikini Contest here in America with her naturally caramel skin tone and curves to make a grown man cry.
But if that doesn't work, runway model quality Slavic or Scandinavian woman would do just fine.
These are death throws of American Culture about to hit rock bottom and in desperate need of a REBOOT. You have absoutely no clue and write from a disturbingly myopic perspective. Like the guy who reads a book on airplanes and claims to be an expert on aerodynamics. Funny and entertaining but dead wrong.
First: Machismo culture and boorish Slavic behaivor is what these people know. It's their dads, their uncles, and their brothers. Right or wrong it's what they are taught and what is imbued in them from a early age. I don't know why any woman would want to live in an Islamic Republic but plenty do and like the protection that they are afforded from living in such a system.
Biaatches lie:They yap to you that they are above their culture and like senstive and carring American men because that's what they think you want to hear. They tell their own men that Western men are pussies and cheap. Ever hears the term "real man" before. For those of us that lived in the FSU its a very common theme. These girls tell black guys on vacation that they luv black skin and they tell their own men that they could never imagine a monkey touching them. People lie and are hyprocrites and those Latins and EE's embody this the most.
Some folks really are outliers, but I rarely trust people that knock their own cultures and proclaim another better even if it's true.
You mean well, but traveling vacariously leads you to draw some really errant conclusions.
I don't think there's going to be any mad dash out of "Pussy Heaven" for guys any time soon.Well, if you're into old women, fat women, obese women, or just plain large women, then I agree with you 100 percent, the USA is "pussy heaven". There's probably no better country in the world for chubby chasers and cougar lovers.
The problem is for those of us that have been abroad and like smaller women, like Asians, it is very hard to find that kind of body type / look here in America. For example, take the 18-21 year old spinner types you can find in the Philippines, that look here is tough to find. Maybe it's because of the American diet or lifestyle, I don't know.
Reality Check: The EU does not really hire Yanks to work in the IT sector.I'm going to take this one step further and say it's almost impossible at this point for an American passport holder to get a job in the EU doing anything. I've looked into working in the EU myself and they have really tightened up the restrictions. I'm not saying it's impossible, because it's not, but it's damn hard.
With the global economy in the dumper, governments are becoming more and more xenephobic and anti-foreigner; just look at this country in places like Arizona with their new immigration laws. In my case, when I left to go work in South Korea in 2008, all you needed for a work visa was a four-year degree and a passport; now they require all kinds of shit, an FBI background check, medical check, interview at the Korean consulate, etc. It's a country's way of saying "we don't really want you" to foreign workers.
I'm not convinced the country is moving in the right direction socially. I am not concerned about American Culture (such as it is) screwing up my woman. I don't know why the specter of this continues on this board. If you pick the right woman as I have said before, she'll think American Culture is ridiculous and ass-backwards. That doesn't mean she doesn't take advantage of what America has to ofter which isn't much these days unless you're talking about rampant consumerism, but that means when you need a new TV there's always one on sale.I'm not going to join in with the America-bashing; I'll just say that after living abroad for a few years, I realize now that America is not the country for me. I don't know how this happened, but I'm just one of those people that is not compatible with my country of birth.
America and AWs, it's not you, it's me!
The US is full of dead ass ugly people of BOTH sexes, just about ALL of whom have stupidly high expectations.Very true: the unrealistic Expectation Level is a big factor.
You've experienced American Woman who have it; you go to poor countries becuz you have unrealistic expectations.
The Alpha Male gets the top women wherever he goes.
'dead ass ugly people' are everywhere. No one country has a monopoly on that.
Well, if you're into old women, fat women, obese women, or just plain large women, then I agree with you 100 percent, the USA is "pussy heaven". There's probably no better country in the world for chubby chasers and cougar lovers.
The problem is for those of us that have been abroad and like smaller women, like Asians, it is very hard to find that kind of body type / look here in America. For example, take the 18-21 year old spinner types you can find in the Philippines, that look here is tough to find. Maybe it's because of the American diet or lifestyle, I don't know.I believe there is a second problem. Busy American lifestyle. Most people are so busy with their work, education, training and other crap, that they don't have time to have "good" time.
When I'm in FSU or South America I can get a date with a "normal" or working girl any day. There are always possibilities. In contrast in USA most people's lives are structured and follow some kinda schedule, when they plan everything in advance. I don't like this bullshit.
DJ FourMoney
03-10-11, 12:34
Any attractive woman in America can get a lot more than what men would like her to have. The tendency of divorce courts to rule largely in women's favor bears this out. If you marry or have children in America when things go to shit the woman will be getting the kids and your money. Marry or knock her up and you've just let her have what she wants period! There are worse things than loneliness but you have to experience them to understand. Expect disappointment when betting on another human being for happiness. I've found that making lots of money and staying free is the best choice for living in America.I didn't think we were talking about American Women directly. However as I said, Men only let Women get away with stuff because of the power of pussy. But its actually a shortage of attractive, intelligent, available women.
That's the problem.
Money? I don't know had 60K and burned it up on a trip to Europe and the car and various other things. Lost the car, lost both jobs, don't have shhh, don't to my last $26 from my meager tax return. More money would just make me do more foolish stuff with it, which is fine, I don't hurt anybody, but as I have said before randomly fucking women for money is not a replacement for a loving relationship and children.
As I have said before, you are anti-Car, anti-Marriage and anti-Children, so in turn I don't think you can give me any sage advice is going to be extremely biased in those directions.
I believe there is a second problem. Busy American lifestyle. Most people are so busy with their work, education, training and other crap, that they don't have time to have "good" time.
When I'm in FSU or South America I can get a date with a "normal" or working girl any day. There are always possibilities. In contrast in USA most people's lives are structured and follow some kinda schedule, when they plan everything in advance. I don't like this bullshit. If AW think you are a catch they will "find" the time for you.
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