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DJ FourMoney
06-27-12, 02:49
I can get laid in the US or Canada, its not hard. However the selection is terrible, I rather not. I will find and marry a woman from another country and likely relocate to that country because the US is about to get what's coming to it.
No amount of calling me a looser under his breath is going to change that.
I can get laid in the US or Canada, its not hard. However the selection is terrible, I rather not. I will find and marry a woman from another country and likely relocate to that country because the US is about to get what's coming to it.
No amount of calling me a looser under his breath is going to change that.The dating scene in America is absolute shit for us over 40 plus guys. I travel Eastern Europe for the fresh and impressionable. Please keep in mind that if you find a winner, you can't bring her back to America because our culture will eat away any relationship like a cancer if there is a significant age difference. So if you don't want to be stuck in a pussy desert, move your ass to a poor country where girls will appreciate you and of course your wallet.
ThatGuy865
06-28-12, 18:44
The dating scene in America is absolute shit for us over 40 plus guys. I travel Eastern Europe for the fresh and impressionable. Please keep in mind that if you find a winner, you can't bring her back to America because our culture will eat away any relationship like a cancer if there is a significant age difference. So if you don't want to be stuck in a pussy desert, move your ass to a poor country where girls will appreciate you and of course your wallet.I definitely can agree with you on this point. Although I would put the age at 50. Yes. America has age discrimination.
Although moving to a poor 3rd world country. Is not going to be for everyone.
I guess each person has to weigh how much. Having the ability to have sex with a younger woman. Is worth
Compared to
Giving up ones rights, in a foreign country you will have none. Turning your back on YOUR culture. Having to deal with language and cultural differences. Lower your standards of living. To live in a poorer country.
Is pussy worth that. If so. Then AW must have a point to be picky and demanding.
Because. Look what one is willing to give up. Just for young pussy.
ThatGuy865
06-29-12, 01:40
As far as approaching women on inline skates Is concerned, whether it is a crude or ineffective method for meeting women in Manhattan is irrelevant, for I am on my way to work, about five miles from my apartment. I don't like the subway- one's chances of meeting women in the subway in Manhattan are far worse than if on inline skates in the street- so I go to work via bicycle, inline skates, or a skateboard. I could put on my dress clothing that I wear at work and walk, but it would take more than an hour, whereas on skates or a bike I can get to work in twenty-five to thirty minutes and I don't think it would significantly increase my chances of getting phone numbers off the street anyway. I have nothing to lose by asking women for their phone number to and from work while on a bike, skates, or skateboard because I am going to work anyway and the women are simply passing by.In a city where nice looking women. Probably gets approached several times a week. Every week. Of every year. (including men with means). Especially beautiful women. And in a city that is super fashion conscious.
Most would figure from the start. Rolling up on a woman. On skates / skateboard. Is something more expected of a teens rather than a MAN. And having the expectation that a BEAUTIFUL woman. Somehow. Out of the many approaches that she receives. Was holding out for the roller skating guy. To fuck.
That would be some real penthouse forum. Shit. Especially for Manhattan.
Now I'm not saying it can't happen. I'm sure if you keep trying it may work out.
I'm just saying. I think there are a lot of other approaches that might have more success.
But hey. Whatever works for you. You keep letting us know how its working out. Ya hear.
TG
Lugal, you are too funny!
What country are you from?
Keep skating and hitting on the AWs.
Good luck
In Midtown Manhattan I saw an attractive woman, in her mid-twenties, with large firm tits, black hair, and ample hips carrying a heavy sack of laundry. I skated up beside her and told her that she was carrying quite a heavy load and that I would help her. She said that it was okay and that she did not need my help. I told her that my motives for carrying her laundry were ulterior on account of the fact that I thought she was attractive and that I wanted her phone number. She said thank you and that it was okay. I skated away.
Bango Cheito
06-29-12, 03:13
I definitely can agree with you on this point. Although I would put the age at 50. Yes. America has age discrimination.
Although moving to a poor 3rd world country. Is not going to be for everyone.
I guess each person has to weigh how much. Having the ability to have sex with a younger woman. Is worth
Compared to
Giving up ones rights, in a foreign country you will have none. Turning your back on YOUR culture. Having to deal with language and cultural differences. Lower your standards of living. To live in a poorer country.
Is pussy worth that. If so. Then AW must have a point to be picky and demanding.
Because. Look what one is willing to give up. Just for young pussy.Dude I had a Dominican and a Mexican chick step to me while I was just in NYC, both good looking and half my age. I didn't even bother to get their FB or phone#s.
I had some English girl come and chat me up in a pub on Monday here in London where I'm vacationing, and blew her off, not interested.
I'll wait till I'm back in Colombia with the finest pussy in the world. Maybe I'll tap the Dominican chick because she really is nice looking and into me. If I have time. No big deal. The REAL deal waits for me back home.
Dude, standards of living? Rights, FREEDOMS? What the hell are you talking about? You seriously think that America is *A* free country, much less the ONLY one?
I'll let you guys in on a little secret. If you have English AND Spanish FLUENT, you can land in Bogota or Medellin and INSTANTLY be in the top 10% of society and get a GOOD job down there, one that affords you a lifestyle you could only DREAM of in the United States. Or better yet, you could go independent and make even MORE money, and get your health insurance without having to pay the ridiculous amounts they charge in the US.
Of course let's be straight up here, most Americans couldn't speak decent English to save their goddamn lives here, much less dominate a second language. But for those that can, or have uncommonly good artistic ability, paradise awaits.
Bango Cheito
06-29-12, 03:37
As for free, you're as free in this world as you stay off of the radar of people more powerful and influential than you are, it's really that simple.
As for nice places to live here's a quick rundown of what I've seen in my life, places I've lived in or been in enough to know thoroughly: this is NOT looking at them as vacation destinations but rather as places to live and do your thing day in and day out.
NYC.
Food abysmal, water excellent, air mediocre, cost of living high, crime moderate, climate OK.
Toronto.
Food decent, water abysmal, air abysmal, cost of living high, crime moderate, climate bad
LA
Food bad, water abysmal, air bad, cost of living high, crime moderate to high, climate pretty good (summer too hot)
London.
Food good, water abysmal, air mediocre, cost of living ridiculous, crime moderate, climate real good (little too much rain)
Montreal.
Food good, water good, air good, cost of living cheap, crime low, climate horrible.
Santo Domingo.
Food good, water abysmal, air mediocre, cost of living moderate, crime high, climate pretty good (summer too hot)
Rio.
Food excellent, water mediocre, air mediocre, cost of living high, crime high, climate pretty good (summer too hot)
Bogota
Food excellent, water excellent, aire mediocre, cost of living cheap, crime high, climate very good (some may prefer a little hotter)
So I don't really see the downside of living anywhere else in the planet outside of the US. At the very least you won't have to eat garbage food or worry about medical insurance anymore. And if you really want to stick with places more or less close to the US in culture, Montreal or London both kick the shit out of ANYWHERE in the US as far as quality of life AND are more friendly to the mongering lifestyle.
Member #2041
06-29-12, 07:21
so did you succeed in fucking her?
an asian woman i met in midtown today responded to my text inquiring for a date with the following text:
lol. do you normally talk like this? am i part of some kind of social science experiment?
i responded by texting:
consider my speech an apostacy to the current obsession with credentialism that currently afflicts education in the united states. i thought it might be a breath of fresh air- on average a female brain is wired to have much higher verbal skills than that of a male. in addition, you come from an ethnic lineage which lauds education. ironically, i don't have any opportunity to engage in sophisticated conversation at work on account of the fact that my students- juniors and seniors- will not be able to understand me. in regards to your perception that you might be part of a social science experiment, i can assure you that i am a layman, with no intention of ever going for a phd, and am merely interested in why humans behave the way they do. in addition, i am also quite satirical. as far as my reasoning for approaching you today is concerned, i deemed you attractive and i wanted to workout and have sex with you- training and sex are my passions, being inextricably linked together. that really is all it is in a nutshell.
she sends you a one liner and you reply with a long ass text explaining why you're not creepy? needy much? maybe send something that doesn't sub communicate low self esteem next time.
an asian woman i met in midtown today responded to my text inquiring for a date with the following text:
lol. do you normally talk like this? am i part of some kind of social science experiment?
i responded by texting:
consider my speech an apostacy to the current obsession with credentialism that currently afflicts education in the united states. i thought it might be a breath of fresh air- on average a female brain is wired to have much higher verbal skills than that of a male. in addition, you come from an ethnic lineage which lauds education. ironically, i don't have any opportunity to engage in sophisticated conversation at work on account of the fact that my students- juniors and seniors- will not be able to understand me. in regards to your perception that you might be part of a social science experiment, i can assure you that i am a layman, with no intention of ever going for a phd, and am merely interested in why humans behave the way they do. in addition, i am also quite satirical. as far as my reasoning for approaching you today is concerned, i deemed you attractive and i wanted to workout and have sex with you- training and sex are my passions, being inextricably linked together. that really is all it is in a nutshell.
DJ FourMoney
06-29-12, 21:56
The dating scene in America is absolute shit for us over 40 plus guys. I travel Eastern Europe for the fresh and impressionable. Please keep in mind that if you find a winner, you can't bring her back to America because our culture will eat away any relationship like a cancer if there is a significant age difference. So if you don't want to be stuck in a pussy desert, move your ass to a poor country where girls will appreciate you and of course your wallet.I know we are using our so-called economic advantage in so-called economically disadvantaged countries. That advantage is weakening however long term so the time is now for those that aren't so keen on economics or even paying attention won't notices your economic power has decreased.
Bring them back to America? Short term, not likely, long term? Yes, weather sucks in Northern Europe. Southern Europe is an option, South / Central America is an option. But that's cart before the horse talk.
DJ FourMoney
06-30-12, 02:37
Dude I had a Dominican and a Mexican chick step to me while I was just in NYC, both good looking and half my age. I didn't even bother to get their FB or phone#s.
I had some English girl come and chat me up in a pub on Monday here in London where I'm vacationing, and blew her off, not interested.
I'll wait till I'm back in Colombia with the finest pussy in the world. Maybe I'll tap the Dominican chick because she really is nice looking and into me. If I have time. No big deal. The REAL deal waits for me back home.
Dude, standards of living? Rights, FREEDOMS? What the hell are you talking about? You seriously think that America is *A* free country, much less the ONLY one?
I'll let you guys in on a little secret. If you have English AND Spanish FLUENT, you can land in Bogota or Medellin and INSTANTLY be in the top 10% of society and get a GOOD job down there, one that affords you a lifestyle you could only DREAM of in the United States. Or better yet, you could go independent and make even MORE money, and get your health insurance without having to pay the ridiculous amounts they charge in the US.
Of course let's be straight up here, most Americans couldn't speak decent English to save their goddamn lives here, much less dominate a second language. But for those that can, or have uncommonly good artistic ability, paradise awaits.Yawn, don't care about learning Spanish when I know the ugly dark secret about Latin America. When I stop seeing brothers fucking with ugly women down there, I'll think about visiting.
DJ FourMoney
06-30-12, 02:44
As for free, you're as free in this world as you stay off of the radar of people more powerful and influential than you are, it's really that simple.
As for nice places to live here's a quick rundown of what I've seen in my life, places I've lived in or been in enough to know thoroughly: this is NOT looking at them as vacation destinations but rather as places to live and do your thing day in and day out.
NYC.
Food abysmal, water excellent, air mediocre, cost of living high, crime moderate, climate OK.
Toronto.
Food decent, water abysmal, air abysmal, cost of living high, crime moderate, climate bad
LA
Food bad, water abysmal, air bad, cost of living high, crime moderate to high, climate pretty good (summer too hot)
London.
Food good, water abysmal, air mediocre, cost of living ridiculous, crime moderate, climate real good (little too much rain)
Montreal.
Food good, water good, air good, cost of living cheap, crime low, climate horrible.
Santo Domingo.
Food good, water abysmal, air mediocre, cost of living moderate, crime high, climate pretty good (summer too hot)
Rio.
Food excellent, water mediocre, air mediocre, cost of living high, crime high, climate pretty good (summer too hot)
Bogota
Food excellent, water excellent, aire mediocre, cost of living cheap, crime high, climate very good (some may prefer a little hotter)
So I don't really see the downside of living anywhere else in the planet outside of the US. At the very least you won't have to eat garbage food or worry about medical insurance anymore. And if you really want to stick with places more or less close to the US in culture, Montreal or London both kick the shit out of ANYWHERE in the US as far as quality of life AND are more friendly to the mongering lifestyle.Bias towards Colombia much? Let me get this straight you're taking a vacation from Colombia in London?
Bango Cheito
06-30-12, 03:44
Bias towards Colombia much? Let me get this straight you're taking a vacation from Colombia in London?Yup. I said to myself I couldn't die without coming here at least once, so much history, so much culture. But as a musician if you want to make money, it's Latin America all the way right now! I even met a cat from New Orleans who now lives in Guatemala and makes great money off of music there. :P
Besides, I'm in London becuase I don't want to fuck with that nasty hot weather. I HATE hot weather with a passion. London never goes above 85 degrees! Right now in southern Italy and Spain it's like 100 degrees, fuck that shit!
Bango Cheito
06-30-12, 04:11
She sends you a one liner and you reply with a long ass text explaining why you're not creepy? Needy much? Maybe send something that doesn't sub communicate low self esteem next time.Yeah dude, that's just nuts. Remember the mirror law, respond with the same tone as she has in the message!
If I were a woman I'd run screaming too!
Chocha Monger
07-01-12, 02:17
As far as approaching women on inline skates Is concerned, whether it is a crude or ineffective method for meeting women in Manhattan is irrelevant, for I am on my way to work, about five miles from my apartment. I don't like the subway- one's chances of meeting women in the subway in Manhattan are far worse than if on inline skates in the street- so I go to work via bicycle, inline skates, or a skateboard. I could put on my dress clothing that I wear at work and walk, but it would take more than an hour, whereas on skates or a bike I can get to work in twenty-five to thirty minutes and I don't think it would significantly increase my chances of getting phone numbers off the street anyway. I have nothing to lose by asking women for their phone number to and from work while on a bike, skates, or skateboard because I am going to work anyway and the women are simply passing by.Is this you trying to score pussy in the United States?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHpi_Y3TV60&feature=player_embedded
Is this you trying to score pussy in the United States?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHpi_Y3TV60&feature=player_embeddedLOL if I used those pick up lines in the streets of Kiev I probably would get the number of 50% of the girls I talk to.
So what is the ugly dark secret about Latin America? We can't help it if the brothers have lousy taste in women and like them all fat and skanky. Latinas are much hotter, sexually, than other ethnic groups. Of course they are also more jealous. Can't have everything.
ThatGuy865
07-03-12, 18:14
On a run-swim-run I spotted an attractive Asian woman at the Central Mall, Jones Beach, so I figured I would come back to meet her after I got done with my sit. When I got down there on the next hour I noticed she was with an overweight ghostly pale guy who was completely comatose on the blanket while she stared at the ocean. You could fly me to Australia and back and inject me with enough tranquilizers to knock out an elephant and there is no way I would so much as shut my eyes for a millisecond while in proximity to her.Always remember. For every Attractive woman you see. There is a guy that kicked her to the curb saying."been there. Done that. And it ain't all that". All women begin to look average. After you've been with them awhile.
Looks attract a man. Personality keeps him.
TG
At the beach I walked past a woman on two occasions of which she smiled at me both times. Fortunately, she went into the water by herself, leaving her friend on the towel. I approached her when she got out and said,"Hello. How are you." She replied, ' hello and thank you. 'Unfortunately, she walked by. It was extreme arrogance on my part because I assumed she would come to me when I said hello, enabling me to start my conversation. I should have asserted myself and got into her personal space and told her my name, essentially crossing the Rubicon and signaling interest in an actual conversation. If she continued to walk away at that point then I would know for certain that she was not interested. The bottom line is one only has one shot with a female and it may only be seconds in duration, hence the need for massed practice, so that the approach becomes second nature.Hi Lugalzaggizi,
I like your reports on pickups with American women and was just wondering if your having any success. Can you give us a basic description of yourself and the kind of ass that you are finding. I wish I had your spirit in approaching American girls on the streets. I gave up on that back in my mid thirties when I noticed girls looking at me funny as if I'm some kind of creeper. How about Manhattan? That seems like a pussy desert for us over 40 guys unless you are an investment banker or something.
Happy hunting,
CN
CherchezFemme
07-08-12, 23:10
At the beach I walked past a woman on two occasions of which she smiled at me both times. Fortunately, she went into the water by herself, leaving her friend on the towel. I approached her when she got out and said,"Hello. How are you." She replied, ' hello and thank you. 'Unfortunately, she walked by.If you really are a lifeguard you need to come up with a gimmick, an approach. Even if it's just a BS line about how there's astrong tide today and you don't want them to get hurt, or watch out for x, why, x. You are an authority figure and authority figures automatically have social standing and can approach girls "with impunity".
If you are halfway good-looking you should get a lot of phone numbers but getting laid may be difficult be / see of logistics: manypeople come to Jones Beach from far away, they're not staying at a hotel across the street.
A really attractive blond walked by on the boardwalk while I was training Muay Thai. By the time I finished the round she was 200 yards away. I closed that gap faster than Usain Bolt would have. I said to her,"I apologize for not introducing myself sooner rather than run you down like quarry, but you are extremely attractive, so I couldn't let you slip by. May I have your phone number. She said,"Thank you, but I just got engaged." I told her good luck with your engagement and got back to my workout.American women are simply not needy enough, otherwise an outstanding citizen such as yourself Lugalzaggizi would actually score with some of these pickup lines. The American government needs to give out about a million or so visa's to the poor and beautiful of Russia or Ukraine. This way fine men such as yourself can tell these feminists that believe there pussy is gold to fuck off.
ThatGuy865
07-11-12, 06:59
American women are simply not needy enoughThis is the smartest thing mentioned about AW. They are not NEEDY. Such as POOR 3rd world women. Climaxnow. Hit it on the nose.
It has nothing to do with AW being bitchy or snooty. Its merely a financial thing. They are financially doing better, therefore their choice in men is not dictated by strictly finances. They can afford to be choosier in their selection.
This way fine men such as yourself can tell these feminists that believe there pussy is gold to fuck off.Well actually. Its men who make women feel pussy is gold.
How many men fly around the world in search of inexpensive Gold. How many pay hundreds to thousands to be with gold for ONLY one night. Not many.
Now how many men will do that for Pussy? . And you wonder why women think Pussy is valuable. AW just realize their worth and Men who can deal with it. Have to seek out women from other places that don't.
Nothing wrong with either. The AW knowing her worth. Or a guy going to a place where women are not as independent.
Obviously men are having success with AW. AW are not walking around celibate
AW just realize their worth and Men who can deal with it. Have to seek out women from other places that don't.As a forty something, I absolutely refuse to be stuck in this pussy desert known as America. I am proud of my country, but the reality is I can not score the attractive twenty somethings anymore. That's why I have made a couple of trips to Eastern Europe so far and have studied Russian like a mad man for the last year. I can either accept this comfortable life in America empty of attractive women or I can move myself to a place where I actually stand a chance of finding girlfriends. I choose the later!
Well, I see your point, ThatGuy, but it is not just financial need. Hell, I've dated millionaire AWs who have no financial needs but are tremendously emotionally needy. They are always selfishly whining about some damn thing. I don't see that in most Asian women. Latin women tend to be Americanized IMO but great for banging with that hot blood.
This is the smartest thing mentioned about AW. They are not NEEDY. Such as POOR 3rd world women. Climaxnow. Hit it on the nose.
It has nothing to do with AW being bitchy or snooty. Its merely a financial thing. They are financially doing better, therefore their choice in men is not dictated by strictly finances. They can afford to be choosier in their selection.
Well actually. Its men who make women feel pussy is gold.
How many men fly around the world in search of inexpensive Gold. How many pay hundreds to thousands to be with gold for ONLY one night. Not many.
Now how many men will do that for Pussy? . And you wonder why women think Pussy is valuable. AW just realize their worth and Men who can deal with it. Have to seek out women from other places that don't.
Nothing wrong with either. The AW knowing her worth. Or a guy going to a place where women are not as independent.
Obviously men are having success with AW. AW are not walking around celibate
Gentleman Travel
07-11-12, 16:30
This is the smartest thing mentioned about AW. They are not NEEDY. Such as POOR 3rd world women. Climaxnow. Hit it on the nose.
It has nothing to do with AW being bitchy or snooty. Its merely a financial thing. They are financially doing better, therefore their choice in men is not dictated by strictly finances. They can afford to be choosier in their selection.
Obviously men are having success with AW. AW are not walking around celibateI disagree that it is "merely a financial thing". Certainly many EE women are driven by that, but that is mostly in the P4P sector (which includes a whole range of options from hard-core pros to semi-pros to college girls who want pretty clothes). But the other part of "needy" for them is the availability (or lack thereof) of suitable men for dating, relationships and sex. They are not being chased the way American beauties (and even dogs) are, so they are less secure about their own value and value a "nice" western guy very highly, even if they don't expect such a relationship (or night on the town) to enhance their material lifestyle. The attention of an average western monger validates their self-worth, whereas AW don't feel that need.
The final part is that EE women (and probably in many other mongering countries) require a male partner for status or to complete their ideal of what their life should be. They are not happy just building a career in their 20s, and being independent and liberated. For them to be single is a kind of failure in life. And the final, final part is that they LOVE sex! In that way they are more liberated than their AW counterpart. While an EE woman will certainly have sex just to please her partner, date or nice guy who just bought her dinner, she also has sex just to please herself. I have had EE women THANK ME after first-date sex, since they hadn't had any for months!
ThatGuy865
07-12-12, 02:57
The final part is that EE women (and probably in many other mongering countries) require a male partner for status or to complete their ideal of what their life should be.So here you are saying they are not independent and need a man to feel competent. Basically they lack self esteem and need a man to validate their worth. Sort of like AW were in the 50's.
he final, final part is that they LOVE sex! In that way they are more liberated than their AW counterpart. While an EE woman will certainly have sex just to please her partner, date or nice guy who just bought her dinner, she also has sex just to please herself.So you are telling me these women. You can pull up on these amateur Porn sites of AW (some with obviously hidden cameras). Some it appears are having fun (but I guess not. Since you say so)
These are women who don't enjoy sex. They are doing these video's ONLY to please a man. Let alone the millions of AW that don't do video's
How does America ever get Porn stars. Or are those the ONLY ones who like sex?
Are you saying somehow. Sexuality is not a part of a person's makeup. But that its where you live that determines whether you like sex. Women born in the USA some how get their sex genes turned off. They don't like sex. They only do it to please a man.
What about lesbians. Does this phenomenon skip them. Since they don't care about men. Do American Lesbians not enjoy sex too.
In the EE. Somehow. It gets turned on.
WOW. But I guess with American men. It don't work that way. The geographic location doesn't affect them. Only women.
Wow. You learn something new everyday they say.
D Cups.
Well, I see your point, ThatGuy, but it is not just financial need. Hell, I've dated millionaire AWs who have no financial needs but are tremendously emotionally needy. They are always selfishly whining about some damn thing. I don't see that in most Asian women. Latin women tend to be Americanized IMO but great for banging with that hot blood.I would say you don't see that in Asian women. Because Asians period as a whole. Men or Women. Don't speak up on ANYTHING.
I work with in a company which is largely Asian men (only 5 Americans in my dept of 20). And if I had a dime for every time one of them told me they hated one policy or another and we then walk into a meeting and the discussion turns to the policy. All the Americans will voice their opinions. And not ONE Asian will speak up. They are timid by culture when it comes to speaking out or voicing a strong opinion. So yes. The women would be even less outspoken. So I can see your point when it comes to Asian women.
I too like Latin women. But they will give you hell just like an AW. Extremely jealous, hot blooded, and feisty.
Lugalzaggizi.
I understand your point. And if that is your view. Have at it. Keep on keepin on. I figure someday. You'll run across a woman that goes for you. I just would think. There are more effective ways about getting it done. But if you are happy with your success ratio. Then who am I to say anything.
As for a 45 yr old guy expecting 20 yrs to really want to be with him. In your 20's would you have dated a 45 yr old woman. I seriously doubt it. And if you think most 20 yrs old in other countries are doing it. Becos. Well they respect older guys. Yeah right. Get real. Its becos they "think". You have money (perception is reality). Whether you do or not and that goes for those EE / Russian girls too.
Bareback Jack
07-12-12, 19:50
they usually date men in their ethnic and racial group as well as socioeconomic status, even the hot ones that could get wealthier men.that's an interesting point. it is a similar situation in london where i found that most girls from low income groups (those living in council estates) date mostly guys from the same background. it appears to be more peer pressure however than anything else. white young girls in the uk generally regard older men as creepy, while black girls from middle class families tend to be happy to date successful white middle aged men as they are fairly happy to trade up in terms of socioeconomic status.
that's an interesting point. it is a similar situation in london where i found that most girls from low income groups (those living in council estates) date mostly guys from the same background. it appears to be more peer pressure however than anything else. white young girls in the uk generally regard older men as creepy, while black girls from middle class families tend to be happy to date successful white middle aged men as they are fairly happy to trade up in terms of socioeconomic status.you see it all the time in nyc. usually ethnic groups trapped in a nordic world stick to themselves. they don't need the stresses that the white man brings. most times their culture is more civilized than what is presented to them in daily nordic life. latin people in nyc tend to be attracted to other latin people and rarely mix. i don't blame them. they have a good looking race and their own culture.
imo people don't like to mix as much as we are made to believe. the "melting pot" is a lie. the "money pot" is more like it.
l-
* walking up to strange women in manhattan is nuts. i give you credit. your practice will pay off when you travel to more a civilized dating scene. bravo.
ThatGuy865
07-13-12, 05:44
being well off financially is not entirely the reason why american women have a poor attitude. some of the poorest women in the united states have the worst attitudes and are among the most unapproachable. i teach in an inner city school. do you think the female students in my school have pleasant attitudes? their family incomes put them in the working poor and working classes, certainly putting them in financial need. when they graduate high school they live financially distraught lives, especially when going to college. are they receptive to men that approach them of whom they don't know and are not part of their social mileu? are they going to go out with a guy that works on wall street? certainly not. and i know this for a fact, for when they graduate they get on my facebook page and i see exactly how they act and who they date by their posts. they usually date men in their ethnic and racial group as well as socioeconomic status, even the hot ones that could get wealthier men.i would venture to say there are many reasons why low income women stay within their own socioeconomic status. for one. a low income woman would feel completely out of place at any function a wall street / professional person would take her. can you see her at a party of his peers talking about investments, wearing clothes that cost more than her family spends in a month. not knowing what to talk about with any of them. or at a restaurant. thinking what the hell is le coq de vin or escargot? and why i got so many forks
besides that. how many wall street types would even approach a girl of that status. when they can seduce women of their own status.
just becos a women is beautiful does not mean she is date material. fuckable yes. also do you think she want to be someones fuck toy. knowing full well. he's not going to bring her into his world. if she's beautiful. she will get the best of the lower to middle income guys and feel comfortable in that status range.
also. where are they suppose to meet. would he be at one of her functions. would he be willing to go to her "hood" to hang out with her friends? i doubt it.
not very many guys use your approach running up on strange women any where and every where. so where would they meet? .
so yes most people date in their socioeconomic status. becos its safe, comfortable, where they know how to act.
same with ethnic groups. date mainly within their own ethnicity. becos its familiar. asians with asians. latinos with latinos. blacks with blacks. whites with whites. of course there are some from every race who integrate. but for the most part most don't.
i'm sorry to tell you guys but most women don't walk around just looking to fuck a stranger and go. most want relationships.
can you blame a women for not accepting an offer from a strange man. women have to worry about being raped, beaten and robbed. this is what a woman has to consider when a strange man runs up on her. the guy doesn't. you've never heard of a man being held as a sex slave in the basement of a house. but you have heard of it happening to several women.
that's what make your approach so outlandish. but eventually you might find a aw who is bold enough to take you up on your offer
good luck with that.
tg out
Bareback Jack
07-13-12, 13:16
As for a 45 yr old guy expecting 20 yrs to really want to be with him. In your 20's would you have dated a 45 yr old woman. I seriously doubt it. And if you think most 20 yrs old in other countries are doing it. Becos. Well they respect older guys. Yeah right. Get real. Its becos they "think". You have money (perception is reality). Whether you do or not and that goes for those EE / Russian girls too.With all due respect I think your point of view is a bit extremist. I used enjoy banging a 40-something Czech ex-model when I was in my twenties and there is really plenty of MILF. The other way round I had a really hot summer romance with a Chinese girl from Shanghai who was 24 at the time when I was approaching 50. Her father bought her a million $ penthouse in Shanghai for her 18th birthday and she was definitely financially independent. Money was not an incentive to her. She wouldn't have agreed to marry someone of my age but she didn't mind fucking me for some months until she went back to China.
While people might generally follow stereotypical patterns with respect to status, race, religion, age etc, it doesn't mean that one can't get lucky! The chances are way better than for those foolish people who are trying to win the lottery week by week. So, I'd say to Lugalzaggizi. Keep on going. No harm in trying.
Clandestine782
07-13-12, 14:27
You see it all the time in NYC. Usually ethnic groups trapped in a nordic world stick to themselves. They don't need the stresses that the white man brings. Most times their culture is more civilized than what is presented to them in daily nordic life. Latin people in NYC tend to be attracted to other latin people and rarely mix. I don't blame them. They have a good looking race and their own culture.
IMO people don't like to mix as much as we are made to believe. The "melting pot" is a lie. The "money pot" is more like it.
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* Walking up to strange women in manhattan is nuts. I give you credit. Your practice will pay off when you travel to more a civilized dating scene. BRAVO.Um, do you know what "Nordic" means? If not, here is a link: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nordic?s=t&ld=1032. For the record: the white people in America come from lots of other places than Nordic countries. (Look them up. Don't take my word for it.) Of the Latin American countries: If they were such civilized places, then why don't they stay there? It reminds me of Chinese people waffling on and on about the innate superiority of Chinese culture- and yet they have the largest diaspora of any race of people on the face of the planet. (There are some qualifications to this statement, but I digress.)
Um, do you know what "Nordic" means? If not, here is a link:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nordic?s=t&ld=1032.
For the record: the white people in America come from lots of other places than Nordic countries. (Look them up. Don't take my word for it.) Of the Latin American countries: If they were such civilized places, then why don't they stay there? It reminds me of Chinese people waffling on and on about the innate superiority of Chinese culture- and yet they have the largest diaspora of any race of people on the face of the planet. (There are some qualifications to this statement, but I digress.) Very true. I am "white" but not nordic. I thought using the term nordic would sound less crude. However in this politically correct world maybe not.
My point about different ethnic groups and dating is that most stick to their own culture when they arrive to america. You don't see them suffering the ills of dating that americans do. They go into a tight nit community and choose from that pool of potential mates.
People come here to make money. Not to assimilate into an american lifestyle. Otherwise you would see more "mixing".
My point about different ethnic groups and dating is that most stick to their own culture when they arrive to america. You don't see them suffering the ills of dating that americans do. They go into a tight nit community and choose from that pool of potential mates.
People come here to make money. Not to assimilate into an american lifestyle. Otherwise you would see more "mixing".This is not necessarily true. From the mid nineties to about 2005, many educated European girls migrated to the US and quickly realized they were socially trapped in the promised land. There male counter parts were not desirable because they had yet no footings in life (less than 10 years post communism) and were forced into the world of manual labor. The girls mixed quickly with American guys and were more quick to break American social controls of age.
You guys are making weird comparisons as if a white wall street banker wants anything to due with an uneducated Columbian freshly arrived in America. Unless, of course, she is very hot and twenty years younger. (Smiley)
ThatGuy865
07-13-12, 21:13
while people might generally follow stereotypical patterns with respect to status, race, religion, age etc, it doesn't mean that one can't get lucky! the chances are way better than for those foolish people who are trying to win the lottery week by week. so, i'd say to lugalzaggizi. keep on going. no harm in trying.you stated it yourself "people generally follow stereotypical patterns" that's all i was saying.
we are speaking in generalities here. of course there are exceptions to every rule.
shit i was fucking milf's when i was in my 20's. but i wouldn't have dated them. they were booty calls. we went places. my peers didn't go or hers. but that was about fucking. and most women. again speaking in generalities. think / want relationship not fuck buddies.
i too as i stated in my earlier post. agreed if lugalzaggizi keeps it up. sooner or later. he will find a babe who will say yes.
its just most guys don't want to take that day in and day out rejection. if he can handle it. which it appears he can. i say keep on keeping on.
i don't know if you guys ever heard of "ugly george". he used to walk manhattan and would convince women to strip for him on the spot while he video them. so if he could do that. i'm sure lugalzaggizi. will get a number.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/10/nyregion/thecity/10ugly.html
mr. urban was no ordinary ladies' man. he was known as ugly george, and he roamed manhattan in an open-chested silver vest and short-shorts, wearing a huge silver backpack full of early videotaping gear. he approached women in the street and tried to wheedle them into the broom closets of midtown office buildings. (his trademark come-on was, "let's flex into a dimly lit hallway.") then he coaxed them, camera rolling, into taking off their clothes. he also sometimes persuaded them to go to his apartment, a crimson-sheeted basement lair.
Mr Enternational
07-13-12, 21:14
My point about different ethnic groups and dating is that most stick to their own culture when they arrive to america. You don't see them suffering the ills of dating that americans do. They go into a tight nit community and choose from that pool of potential mates.
People come here to make money. Not to assimilate into an american lifestyle. Otherwise you would see more "mixing".I agree with you totally Artist. Try talking to some Ethiopians and you will gain no ground. I am able to penetrate some cultures because I speak certain languages. But the average American guy would be shit out of luck unless he encounters a girl in such a situation that Climax has described - one who feels she can move up on the social ladder by being with the guy, which as you said is their primary reason for being here in the first place - Money/Status. If they can do it without the American guy that will be their first choice. But if they realize their chances of "success" may be increased then they will date out of the community.
From the mid nineties to about 2005, many educated European girls migrated to the US and quickly realized they were socially trapped in the promised land. There male counter parts were not desirable because they had yet no footings in life (less than 10 years post communism) and were forced into the world of manual labor. The girls mixed quickly with American guys...
If they can do it without the American guy that will be their first choice.Absolutely.
I believe the sex workers are attracted to my fit swimmer's build, but I have no way of knowing for certain due to the fact I am paying them.Try not paying them and see what happens, Lugal.
Bareback Jack
07-14-12, 11:53
Try not paying them and see what happens, Lugal.But then again, does it really matter? If you get a good fuck out of it, do you really need to explore the true motivation? Good sex remains good sex, whether you pay for or not!
Clandestine782
07-14-12, 15:16
Very true. I am "white" but not nordic. I thought using the term nordic would sound less crude. However in this politically correct world maybe not.
My point about different ethnic groups and dating is that most stick to their own culture when they arrive to america. You don't see them suffering the ills of dating that americans do. They go into a tight nit community and choose from that pool of potential mates.
People come here to make money. Not to assimilate into an american lifestyle. Otherwise you would see more "mixing".Well, if you live a certain place you can't help but doing some assimilation. So, I have lived in China for about 9 years now. And even though I don't live like a Chinese man (spitting on the floor indoors / wife beating / not knowing how to hold a toothbrush / general lack of manners / lying about everything under the sun) , there are some aspects of Chinese culture to which I've become accustomed (learning how to haggle / learning how to properly read meanings from subtext / eating at barbeques / outdoor restaurants / learning to take the bus). If you live around some people, you can't help but imitate some of the things that they do as the best solution to extant problems. But how many people say to themselves: "I am going to go to China so that I can spit on the floor indoors / on the bus" the same way that they say "I am going to go to America and eat 3 meals a day at oddly spaced intervals and become morbidly obese?"
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Clandestine782
07-14-12, 15:21
I agree with you totally Artist. Try talking to some Ethiopians and you will gain no ground. I am able to penetrate some cultures because I speak certain languages. But the average American guy would be shit out of luck unless he encounters a girl in such a situation that Climax has described - one who feels she can move up on the social ladder by being with the guy, which as you said is their primary reason for being here in the first place - Money/Status. If they can do it without the American guy that will be their first choice. But if they realize their chances of "success" may be increased then they will date out of the community.Ethiopian? Well, if you have a stomach for black women and you want light skin. How many light skinned black be. It. Ches have you already passed over from the United States? If you are a man who is interested in black women, then you have a lot to choose from- even discounting for the premium that goes for light skinned women. (I've never given a second thought to Ethiopians or Eritreans. Or any black women for that matter. But I am aware that the market is there.)
Mr Enternational
07-14-12, 16:14
Ethiopian? Well, if you have a stomach for black women and you want light skin. How many light skinned black be. It. Ches have you already passed over from the United States? If you are a man who is interested in black women, then you have a lot to choose from- even discounting for the premium that goes for light skinned women. (I've never given a second thought to Ethiopians or Eritreans. Or any black women for that matter. But I am aware that the market is there.)Well I am black from the United States but I think you have missed the meaning of Artist's post because you have replied off topic in your last 2 posts.
DJ FourMoney
07-14-12, 20:14
I disagree that it is "merely a financial thing". Certainly many EE women are driven by that, but that is mostly in the P4P sector (which includes a whole range of options from hard-core pros to semi-pros to college girls who want pretty clothes). But the other part of "needy" for them is the availability (or lack thereof) of suitable men for dating, relationships and sex. They are not being chased the way American beauties (and even dogs) are, so they are less secure about their own value and value a "nice" western guy very highly, even if they don't expect such a relationship (or night on the town) to enhance their material lifestyle. The attention of an average western monger validates their self-worth, whereas AW don't feel that need.
The final part is that EE women (and probably in many other mongering countries) require a male partner for status or to complete their ideal of what their life should be. They are not happy just building a career in their 20s, and being independent and liberated. For them to be single is a kind of failure in life. And the final, final part is that they LOVE sex! In that way they are more liberated than their AW counterpart. While an EE woman will certainly have sex just to please her partner, date or nice guy who just bought her dinner, she also has sex just to please herself. I have had EE women THANK ME after first-date sex, since they hadn't had any for months!Thanks for posting GT is this basically the truth with EE women. You can find the typical Western Careerist in FSU but they are fairly easy to avoid and don't always look the best, so you're not missing much. That's not to say their aren't successful, attractive women, especially in Russia, but the difference it as you correctly state even with that success they don't see themselves as "complete" without a loving husband and children. Based on personal experience about 99% of EE women want at least one child and want to be married when they have that child (ren).
I know this site likes to focus on the best looking women available which is natural but there is much "gold" to be found mining in the 8, 7.6 zone (on the classic scale).
DJ FourMoney
07-14-12, 20:15
I saw a beautiful woman from either Eastern or Central Europe outside the supermarket last night on Long Island, New York. She did not have an ounce of fat on her and she had ebullient blond hair. She was with her boyfriend, Eastern or Central European, of who was smoking and possessive of a pendulous gut. There is no way an American woman as hot as her would go out with him.Not sure what you want Lugalzaggizi, but if you only get 10 days off and you want an EE wife that's plenty of time to find one actually.
Just in the last two years -
Friend (Black) married to a Russian Woman, no MOB agency involved, not even EE web sites like Elena's...
Friend (Black) married to Ukrainian Woman, Well Known MOB agency involved, she is slightly taller than him, they just had a child.
Friend (White) started K1 process for PH Woman after being divorced from ex he found at drug rehab (had two sons, he has full custody)
Deadbeat dad flees to Philippines to avoid court-ordered spousal support & FRO.
Toronto Star.
His 10-year-old son was fighting cancer.
His 14-year-old daughter is a special-needs child coping with all the challenges of Down syndrome.
His 17-year-old daughter, once an A student, is struggling at school and depressed.
His 19-year-old son has substance abuse problems and is currently on a methadone program.
Last fall, after an Ontario judge awarded his ex-wife spousal and child support of nearly $4, 000 a month, Hans Mills, an education software expert with extensive work contacts in Southeast Asia, sent Donna Mills an email telling her he had left Canada for good.
'The result of the legal instrument which you recently designed and implemented is that there is no possibility of a comfortable life or a (secure) retirement for me in Canada at all, ' Mills. 53, wrote in the email dated November 2, 2011. 'Therefore I have left the country to seek greener pastures elsewhere, and will never return. Well done Einstein. '
'Good luck and goodbye. '
With that missive sent from an unknown location, Mills joined the more than 120, 000 parents in Ontario who are in arrears on spousal and child support payments. Collectively, they owe more than $1. 8 billion to ex-wives and children.
This is a story about a marriage breakup, a protracted legal battle and the decision of the ex-husband to flee Canada and avoid his court-ordered duty.
The Star tracked Hans Mills to the Philippines. From his hideaway on the outskirts of Manila, Mills says he knows what he did is wrong. He blames a 'broken' Family Court system that pushed him to the brink of ruin for his decision to cut and run.
'I did a terrible, awful thing, because I had no reasonable option, ' Mills says of his decision to flee and stop making spousal and child support payments. 'I miss my children terribly. I abandoned Canada, but not my children. My hope is that some day I can reconcile with my children, but not in Canada. A morally bankrupt state.
'The Philippines is about as far as I could go. If I had a spaceship I'the be much further away. '
At the time he absconded, Hans Mills was under court order to pay his ex-wife, Donna Mills, $2, 235 per month for the support of their children and $1, 537 a month for spousal support. He also had been hit with substantial retroactive payments and ordered to pay his ex-wife's legal costs.
His kids are 'innocent bystanders who got caught in the crossfire, ' Mills says in his email to the Star. 'It was not my intention to hurt them. '
He is adamant about two things — he will 'never, ever, ever, ever' pay spousal support, and he will never return to Canada.
That is bitter news for Donna Mills, who has spent the past eight months urging Canadian authorities and Ontario's Family Responsibility Office (FRO) to find her ex-husband and force him to comply with the court order.
The day after she received the email, Donna Mills' lawyer sent the Family Responsibility Office, which enforces court orders for support, a fax urging his arrest, but Mills was already out of the country.
'Financially, emotionally, physically, and spiritually, I am approaching bankruptcy, ' Donna Mills said in an email she sent the Star asking for help in locating her ex. 'If I go down, the kids go down, and I can't let that happen. '
The story is complicated by the house Donna Mills and the children live in. The imposing home, on a large lot backing on Lake Ontario near Hamilton, is valued at about $1. 2 million, but has a $600, 000 mortgage on it.
The couple split in 2005. A deal was finally brokered after a two-day trial and on May 1, 2008, both parties signed the Minutes of Settlement. Donna would have sole custody and stay in the house with the children while Hans paid child support. Donna would pay Hans $175, 000 to buy him out of the matrimonial home.
In subsequent court pleadings, Donna maintains she was 'rushed and pressured and did not read' the documents before she signed them. She said she did not understand she was signing away the right to any future spousal support, even if her circumstances changed.
'Donna got the million dollar lakefront mansion and full custody of the children with child support, but no spousal support, in exchange for the house, ' Hans Mills writes. 'Everyone at the time agreed that my spousal support obligation had been met fully. '
He notes the deal also provided Donna with a built-in revenue stream because the house contained a separate apartment that was rented for nearly $2, 000 a month.
Over the next few years, a feud simmered between the once-happy couple. Three years after their 'Final Order, ' all kinds of issues had arisen about the kids and Donna's inability to work, and a new trial was scheduled for the fall of 2011.
According to Donna Mills, her ex-husband took her to court three times and at one point tried to foreclose on the house. With her bills piling up, Donna Mills says she used this as an opportunity to ask a court to grant her spousal support.
In June 2011, a judge issued a 'Temporary Order' for Hans to pay spousal support, also awarding her both retro payments and court costs. Stung by the order, Hans left Canada before the new trial could take place.
'I was effectively ordered to pay for my crucifixion. Ouch. Plus I still had to pay my own lawyer, ' he writes. 'Having been buggered once left me no appetite for a second serving, thank you very much. '
So he sold his house, cashed in his pension, paid his bills, and took off.
He left behind an ex-wife who says she is unable to work due to onerous family responsibilities — looking after four kids, three of whom have substantial medical needs, especially Steven, who has just finished two years of cancer treatment.
'I am not receiving any financial support from my former spouse, ' Donna Mills says. 'I don't have life insurance or benefits. The house is the only thing that I have left. My RSPs are quickly dwindling and failure to sell the house in a timely fashion will lead to foreclosure. '
In addition, Donna Mills says she had to borrow another $122, 000 through a line of credit on her mother's house to buy out Hans. 'I came away from this with no money. '
Hans Mills now lives in Dasmarinas City, about 50 kilometres south of Manila, with his new wife, Rosemarie Espiritu, a former caregiver he met during his frequent business trips to southeast Asia.
He would not submit to a personal interview but agreed to answer written questions.
His furtive exit from Canada was a 'purely tactical response to an untenable situation. ' A classic 'fight or flight' brought on by a spiteful ex-wife, an unjust Family Court system and the FRO that descended on him like a pack of wolves, he says.
He accuses his ex of 'using Steven's disease as a weapon against me, which I find most repugnant. ' As far as he knows, Steven's cancer has been conquered, or is in check, and his eldest, Tom, is an adult, and no longer a dependent child of the marriage.
'She is simply lazy and does not want to work, ' Mills says of his ex-wife, adding that the toughest decision of his life has left him exiled. His mother and brother live here in Ontario, as do most of his friends.
'I live in the Philippines for Heaven's sake. This is not a country club. I have to keep a loaded shotgun beside my bed at night in case of attack, of which there have been several. '
He has not yet found greener pastures 'but I can see one from here. ' In the Philippines, he is beyond the reach of Canadian laws, he says, and the FRO is a 'paper tiger' that can do him no harm.
Donna Mills. 51, was once a teacher. She argues her role as primary caregiver during her 22-year marriage forced her out of the traditional work force. She once held down three jobs to make ends meet, but caring for the children consumed all her time.
Besides the $800, 000 debt she says she carries, she owes 2 ½ years in back taxes on the home. Her only source of income is the $2, 500 monthly she gets for her two youngest from the Assistance for Children with Severe Disabilities branch of the Ministry of Children and Youth Services.
Hans Mills says his ex-wife's claims of hardship are exaggerated and 'designed to squeeze more cash out of me by appearing pathetic and helpless. '
One thing is certain.
When he left Canada last fall, Mills left behind a 10-year-old son who had just completed two years of cancer treatment.
Diagnosed with Wilms tumour, a cancer of the kidneys, at age 8, Steven underwent surgery to remove a 1. 4-kilogram tumour that entailed removal of his left kidney and adrenal gland. The latest tests show him to be free of cancer, but he will be tested every few months for the next year.
Mills said she always knew her ex-husband would flee to the Asian subcontinent where he had worked extensively during the past 15 years, and where he met his future wife.
She implored the Family Responsibility Office to try and stop him from leaving, asking that a lien be put on his house in Grimsby, and to seize his passport, but the FRO did not move on those requests. Mills, a Danish immigrant, has both a Canadian and European passport.
Hans Mills was granted a probationary visa by the Philippines government last December, with his common-law wife as his sponsor. The two have since married.
According to the FRO, Hans Mills is more than $28, 000 in arrears and his debt to his family is growing at $3, 772 a month, plus interest.
'The unfortunate reality is that some parents simply refuse to support their children, while others cannot afford to meet their court-ordered obligations, ' said Annette Phillips, director of communications with the Community and Social Services ministry.
Bango Cheito
07-15-12, 05:29
WOW, I didn't think anybody else on the net would ever know who Ugly George is! (assuming his ass is still alive, he drinks pretty heavily) , but he started in 19 fuckin 79, it was a different world then, New York was a much more tolerant place and people were interested in experimenting with sexuality and breaking barriers a lot more.
NY is the one place on EARTH where you see mixing of cultures more than anywhere else. Almost anybody under the age of 30 there claims at least two different ethnicities. And as for being financially comfortable, sorry, ladies and gentlemen, having lived for years in both places, a college age girl in Bogota who lives with her parents may not be rolling in money or financially free, but she is a lot more comfortable and taking less financial risks than ANY New Yorker of her age, and nobody in Bogota winds up paying 80% or 90% of their income solely in rent, as they do in NYC COMMONLY! So there must be other factors at work here.
The better question is, why was it so much better to get laid in NYC 30 years ago than it is now?
Bango Cheito
07-15-12, 05:43
Ethiopian? Well, if you have a stomach for black women and you want light skin. How many light skinned black be. It. Ches have you already passed over from the United States? If you are a man who is interested in black women, then you have a lot to choose from- even discounting for the premium that goes for light skinned women. (I've never given a second thought to Ethiopians or Eritreans. Or any black women for that matter. But I am aware that the market is there.)The one kind of pussy I've never had is South Asian (india pak bangladesh etc) because those cultures are very religious and very old-school and super-hard to penetrate.
And that Ontario story sounds fake to me, this guy would truly be stupid enough to grant the Toronto Star an interview and tell them the TOWN he lives in and his new wife-s FULL NAME? Nahhhhhhhhhh sorry!
ThatGuy865
07-15-12, 05:45
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HectorSanchez
07-16-12, 19:53
South asians are hard to penetrate. I am one of them and I strongly think that these people do not know how to fuck. Forget about random dates: even husband and wife don't enjoy sex. Sex to them is only to make progenies. LOL. As far as impressing them and dating them, good luck with that. They won't think out of the box. But if you really want those pussies, fly to their countries and with right connections, you can lay a girl as less as 10 dollars. But a good one costs more.
The one kind of pussy I've never had is South Asian (india pak bangladesh etc) because those cultures are very religious and very old-school and super-hard to penetrate.
And that Ontario story sounds fake to me, this guy would truly be stupid enough to grant the Toronto Star an interview and tell them the TOWN he lives in and his new wife-s FULL NAME? Nahhhhhhhhhh sorry!
Bango Cheito
07-18-12, 04:03
South asians are hard to penetrate. I am one of them and I strongly think that these people do not know how to fuck. Forget about random dates: even husband and wife don't enjoy sex. Sex to them is only to make progenies. LOL. As far as impressing them and dating them, good luck with that. They won't think out of the box. But if you really want those pussies, fly to their countries and with right connections, you can lay a girl as less as 10 dollars. But a good one costs more.I'll have to leave it in the "one day" file. I thought here in London would be my best bet, but man, the women here don't do shit from me, of ANY color or culture really
I also love indie paki and bang women. Add arab to the mix.
NYC is loaded with beautiful women of this nature but if you arent asian or butt white you are out of luck. These girls are amazing to look at but that is where it ends.
Mr Enternational
07-18-12, 08:09
South asians are hard to penetrate. I am one of them and I strongly think that these people do not know how to fuck. Forget about random dates: even husband and wife don't enjoy sex. Sex to them is only to make progenies. LOL. As far as impressing them and dating them, good luck with that. They won't think out of the box. But if you really want those pussies, fly to their countries and with right connections, you can lay a girl as less as 10 dollars. But a good one costs more.I didn't need any connections in Mumbai. I just RTFF and told a taxi to take my ass to Congress House. It was a big headache though. Every apartment I went to kept trying to pull the bait & switch. They show you a lineup. Then after you pick and go to the room all of a sudden that girl is busy and they try to stiff you with another chick. Besides that everyone wants tips. A pimp asking for a tip? Get the fuck out of here. Then when I finally got a chance to fuck, the girl wanted me to leave a tip for the maid too. I said the only person getting money out of me is the one with my dick in her mouth. Here is the report with pics: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?954-Bombay-Mumbai&p=546451#post546451
I saw a beautiful woman from either Eastern or Central Europe outside the supermarket last night on Long Island, New York. She did not have an ounce of fat on her and she had ebullient blond hair. She was with her boyfriend, Eastern or Central European, of who was smoking and possessive of a pendulous gut. There is no way an American woman as hot as her would go out with him.That's normal) The same is in Central Asia, lots of gorgeous girls with regular guys.
On the other hand in USA / W. Europe one can see lots of good-looking and successful guys with not good-looking women, right?
HectorSanchez
07-18-12, 19:25
Dude get into matured women between 30-38. Really. They know the importance of our time. Women between 20-30 are bitches. Thats all they got is the skin. Too much bullshit to listen and do for a free fuck.
HectorSanchez
07-18-12, 19:28
MUmbai is full of HIV and STDs. I read your report. The girls are not pretty and neither passionate about what they do. Pimps suck big time and lie all the time with no exceptions. They will suck your money like a vampire. You get to fuck for 5-10 min a women of 2-3/10 scale with a horrible hygiene in a non ac dirty room.
I didn't need any connections in Mumbai. I just RTFF and told a taxi to take my ass to Congress House. It was a big headache though. Every apartment I went to kept trying to pull the bait & switch. They show you a lineup. Then after you pick and go to the room all of a sudden that girl is busy and they try to stiff you with another chick. Besides that everyone wants tips. A pimp asking for a tip? Get the fuck out of here. Then when I finally got a chance to fuck, the girl wanted me to leave a tip for the maid too. I said the only person getting money out of me is the one with my dick in her mouth. Here is the report with pics:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?954-Bombay-Mumbai&p=546451#post546451
Gentleman Travel
07-19-12, 17:16
So here you are saying they are not independent and need a man to feel competent. Basically they lack self esteem and need a man to validate their worth. Sort of like AW were in the 50's.
So you are telling me these women. You can pull up on these amateur Porn sites of AW (some with obviously hidden cameras). Some it appears are having fun (but I guess not. Since you say so)
These are women who don't enjoy sex. They are doing these video's ONLY to please a man. Let alone the millions of AW that don't do video's
How does America ever get Porn stars. Or are those the ONLY ones who like sex?
Are you saying somehow. Sexuality is not a part of a person's makeup. But that its where you live that determines whether you like sex. Women born in the USA some how get their sex genes turned off. They don't like sex. They only do it to please a man.
What about lesbians. Does this phenomenon skip them. Since they don't care about men. Do American Lesbians not enjoy sex too.
In the EE. Somehow. It gets turned on.
WOW. But I guess with American men. It don't work that way. The geographic location doesn't affect them. Only women.I AM saying the Eastern European women need a man to feel their life is complete. I did not say it is because of low esteem (although absence will cause that) but probably more due to cultural and social norms.
I AM NOT saying that AW do not like sex (and porn stars or sex videos are no indication of anything real) but I do say that ordinary AW (that we are likely to meet or have a chance of dating) are not nearly so sexually open as EE women. Again I would argue that this is not biological or geographical as you imply, but due to socialization."Good girls don't have sex on the first date (or second or third)." "Professional women don't dress sexy / slutty." Normal women don't date too far out of their age range or ethnic group. These things are generally true in America, at least once you get out of the partying demographic (college girls). The exceptions you see are mostly in magazines and movies, you don't see these behaviours amongst your co-workers or at the shopping mall. But in Eastern Europe you do. Lawyers and doctors wear sexy clothes and stiletto heels at work will dress like hookers on a date and might well end up in your bed just for fun.
Many American women also "need a man" to complete their dream life (although this is becoming increasingly less true) but for them this means a permanent relationship and a family. We all know women who start to panic when they hear their biological clocks ticking and realize that they are running out of time to find a mate, and they no longer have the looks or attitude to play the game. EE girls are highly motivated to find a mate (and are prepared to settle for a boyfriend or even just a date) from a much earlier age, and are fully aware of the tools they need to be successful and work hard at it.
But my original point was really that it is not all about money (although often it is) for EE women. Sure they want to hook up with someone who can provide financial security for them and a future family, but they also are preprogrammed for mating and have not been "de-programmed" as American society, women's lib and "political correctness" have done to AW.
ThatGuy865
07-20-12, 04:40
"Good girls don't have sex on the first date (or second or third).. Could it be AW are more educated about STD's. STD's that can kill you. While this may not be a concern for you. It is for a large segment of the population. The 60's thru the late 80's. America went thru the "free love" era. Too bad if you missed it.
Professional women don't dress sexy / slutty.I guess you have never been to South beach or Hollywood. Besides "Sexy" is a matter of opinion. I see plenty of sexy dressed women. I guess you've never seen women in daisy dukes. Thongs on the beach. Its just in America. We believe in you dress appropriate for the place. Most people don't want to see a woman dressed like a **** going to the Mall. As far as at night, I can pull up video's all day long of night club scene's in the USA where the girls dress as sexy / provocative as any EE women.
Normal women don't date too far out of their age range or ethnic group.I definitely can't blame them. While I like late 20's and early 30 yr old women to FUCK. Every time I see a guy over 50 with a woman more than 15 yrs younger. It creeps me out. So I can definitely understand it. I can't see why any woman with anything going for herself, would date a guy that much older. Unless he was keeping her knee deep in luxuries she can't afford for herself.
If I personally knew a woman that did. I would comment about it as I have in the past. If / when I saw a girl out with a older guy. I would pass them my number and tell her."Call me. Once Grandpa goes to bed". Or anything to that effect. They always laughed and took the number. Not saying they all called. But none. NONE. Ever defended the guy, cause they knew it was about the money. And was laughing at him.
EE girls are highly motivated to find a mate (and are prepared to settle for a boyfriend or even just a date) from a much earlier age,You obviously have never been to the "Bible belt" areas of America. Cause if you had. You'd know a lot women in those parts want to marry right after School (HS or College). That is their dream and goal in life.
But my original point was really that it is not all about money (although often it is) for EE women. Sure they want to hook up with someone who can provide financial security for them and a future family, but they also are preprogrammed for mating and have not been "de-programmed" as American society, women's lib and "political correctness" have done to AW.Again this is about economics. Because AW have MORE opportunities when it comes to having a career. So they have MORE options than a EE woman. Sure some EE women have careers. But not close to the abundance of opportunities as AW. So there is a larger population of AW who are career minded. Sure. Who don't need a man financially for security. Therefore they don't have to SETTLE like EE women.
There is no "One shoe fits the whole bunch" with AW. There are differences depending on area of country, size of the city, and education. There are AW of all kinds.
Bango Cheito
07-20-12, 23:13
You're vastly overestimating the US economy. These days there are a lot of hella desparate AW but they continue being frigid insipid bitches. And I know a lot of Colombian girls who have all their needs met and are still raging sluts! So I don't buy the pure economics theory. Plus in a lot of European countries they have BIG social safety nets, UNLIKE in the US people in that part of the world don't have to worry so much about food and shelter and ahem MEDICAL CARE. Many countries even have free university, dental etc! Yet one country is sexually very liberal and the next is frigid!
You're vastly overestimating the US economy. These days there are a lot of hella desparate AW but they continue being frigid insipid bitches.I agree with you about the economy in America, I'm back here after leaving (again) for almost fourteen months and outside of a few areas (Silicon Valley, for example) the economic situation overall is still pretty bad. There doesn't seem to have been a real recovery. Lots of people I know are living on credit (student loans, credit cards, etc.) but that's unsustainable and at some point that bubble will pop too.
Having said that, I must say that the price of paid pussy in this country has come down; it seems you can get decent looking girls for a quickie at under $100 bucks a pop; if you like fatties the prices are even lower. Of course stunners are still pricey but that's to be expected, I guess.
Some on here call this place sex prison, but check out some of the online sites and find a couple of regulars and it's not all that bad. Might explain why international mongering locales seem to have fewer western mongers participating than before; just basing this on my trip to the Philippines last month where the majority of the bars were either semi-empty, or full of Asian sex tourists. Sometimes, I'd be the only American in the bar.
Any thoughts on this? Are more of you mongers on here banging AWs?
ThatGuy865
07-21-12, 03:08
I said it was about ECONOMICS. Not the ECONOMY.
AW have more opportunities for upward mobility. Career options. More Financially capable / independent.
In most of the countries guys talk about. For women to afford to have kids (which most women want). They need another income for the most part from a man. Or they fall deep into poverty
Where A LOT of AW can afford to raise / have a family and luxuries. Without a man. This makes them less dependent on men and the ability to be choosy.
I concede. It might be a sex prison for some guys. Especially the undesirable, who are rarely chosen. For those guys it is a sex prison.
There will always be a percentage of guys who will be unhappy. No matter what the situation.
If women were walking around in thongs and have sex with every guy that asked. There would be guys on here complaining. AW are nothing but sluts.
So I guess you guys fit into that percentage unhappy with the current environment. But Marriages happen in EVERY city EVERY day of the year. So guys are finding AW sexy and desirable.
But of course. Its easier to blame the women. Right!
TG. Keeping it real.
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I definitely can't blame them. While I like late 20's and early 30 yr old women to FUCK. Every time I see a guy over 50 with a woman more than 15 yrs younger. It creeps me out. So I can definitely understand it. I can't see why any woman with anything going for herself, would date a guy that much older. Unless he was keeping her knee deep in luxuries she can't afford for herself.
If I personally knew a woman that did. I would comment about it as I have in the past. If / when I saw a girl out with a older guy. I would pass them my number and tell her."Call me. Once Grandpa goes to bed". Or anything to that effect. They always laughed and took the number. Not saying they all called. But none. NONE. Ever defended the guy, cause they knew it was about the money. And was laughing at him.I don't understand. When I was 24 with a good banking job and a new apartment in the Gold Coast and I had a line of women knocking at my door, was it because I was so special and they were all in real love with me? In those days, I thought I was keeping it real by seeing myself as a tool for a woman to meet there social and financial needs. If it's just about the money, can someone explain to me why it feels exactly the same when I meet an Eastern European significantly younger than me as compared to those twenty something days of mine.
I don't understand why ThatGuy thinks he's a better fit and entitled to some girl than grandpa. I thought we lived in America, where all men are not created equal.
Mr Enternational
07-21-12, 23:19
An educated upper-middle class man can still be in sex prison in the United States even if he is chosen by an American woman for a relationship or marriage. There are numerous financially successful and attractive men stuck in sexless or sexually dysfunctional marriages or relationships to American women in the United States.Well that is nobody's fault but his own. Get out of the relationship if it is not giving you what you need. The door swings both ways.
Bango Cheito
07-21-12, 23:44
I said it was about ECONOMICS. Not the ECONOMY.
AW have more opportunities for upward mobility. Career options. More Financially capable / independent.
In most of the countries guys talk about. For women to afford to have kids (which most women want). They need another income for the most part from a man. Or they fall deep into poverty
Where A LOT of AW can afford to raise / have a family and luxuries. Without a man. This makes them less dependent on men and the ability to be choosy.
I concede. It might be a sex prison for some guys. Especially the undesirable, who are rarely chosen. For those guys it is a sex prison.
There will always be a percentage of guys who will be unhappy. No matter what the situation.
If women were walking around in thongs and have sex with every guy that asked. There would be guys on here complaining. AW are nothing but sluts.
So I guess you guys fit into that percentage unhappy with the current environment. But Marriages happen in EVERY city EVERY day of the year. So guys are finding AW sexy and desirable.
But of course. Its easier to blame the women. Right!
TG. Keeping it real.Except for girls in the US really DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH FINANCIAL INDEPENDENCE ANYMORE. That may have been true 20 years ago, not so much anymore. I don't know how anybody could be naive enough to believe that an AW can just go ahead and have kids at will and be able to support them with ANY decent lifestyle with absolutely no outside help. And from what I've seen from my month here in the UK is that it's even LESS possible here.
There are acres and acres of fat stupid boring ugly poorly dressed Colombian men not getting any from Colombian women as well. And acres and acres of Colombian working girls go home cold dry and broke every night, the expectation gap is huge all over, but all is said and done, there is a LOT more sex going on per capita in Colombia than in the USA. AW are dumb enough to let themselves get caught on film, THAT is the big difference!
Delta Indigo
07-22-12, 14:57
"But Marriages happen in EVERY city EVERY day of the year. So guys are finding AW sexy and desirable."
Nope I disagree, these people are compromising and have low expectations. Or they resign themselves to the only reality that they know.
Forget about Russia and Ukraine, where the girls are hot and the guys awful, so mongers have a lot of choice.
I went to a college campus with some of the most sexy girls around in the USA. I thought I knew what a beautiful girl was. Then just after graduating I went to Sweden, as soon as I got of the plane, I realised in no time what beauty really was.
Swedish girls have some of the same values, American girls have, but they are far more attractive and sexy. American girls are just not attractive or sexy by and large.
Eastern European girls are super sexy with the right attitude, Swedish girls are quite sexy with the wrong attitude.
This is not only about economic alternatives and choice, American girls are really few people's cup of tea, once Americans have been abroad, Colombia, Costa Rica, Brazil, Paraguay, Argentina, Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Czech Republic, Romania, Serbia, Croatia and so on.
They realize how unsexy and unattractive American women are.
There are a few gems to be had, but not that many.
I would tell people in the US, take the best 10% here and that is the Swedish average. By the way go to Slovakia and it gets better.
Mr Enternational
07-22-12, 15:33
I went to a college campus with some of the most sexy girls around in the USA. I thought I knew what a beautiful girl was. Then just after graduating I went to Sweden, as soon as I got of the plane, I realised in no time what beauty really was.
Swedish girls have some of the same values, American girls have, but they are far more attractive and sexy. American girls are just not attractive or sexy by and large.Beauty and sexiness is different things to different people and by and large can not be quantified. I find a good number of AWs sexy and to my taste. It is their bad attitudes that I have a problem with.
Beauty can not be quantified.Beauty can be quantified. Any talent scout will tell you that it is anything but subjective.
Angus Magee
07-22-12, 16:30
Beauty can be quantified. Any talent scout will tell you that it is anything but subjective.Well there are certainly norms of beauty which differ in different societies and change with the ages. But I know from my own obsessions with certain types that beauty is very much in the eye of the beholder. I friend of mine finds women who most of us would call obese unbearably attractive. I have spoken with him and I honestly can say that he feels about them the same way I feel about 20 something, skinny EE girls. The only diference is that my idea of beauty (perhaps I should say hot) tends to conform more to the norm. More fool me really. This guy has his pick of girls as he lives in the Land 'o Lard, the USA.
Mr Enternational
07-22-12, 16:35
Well there are certainly norms of beauty which differ in different societies and change with the ages.Exactly.
Beauty can be quantified. Any talent scout will tell you that it is anything but subjective.Would this talent scout happen to be in Eastern Europe or West Africa?
Exactly.
Would this talent scout happen to be in Eastern Europe or Central Africa?No matter the skin color. But it is not only a question of mensurations, height, bust and waist measurement, marked camber, impish nose, mellow lips, or of perfect geometry between eyes interval and neck nobility. Beauty is very much a mathematic equation. Any specialist will tell you that per exemple, the distance between the base of the nose and the chin must be the same than between the crest of the forehead and the eyebrows. Or the lenght of the mouth must be 2. 5 its width. Or if you divide the girl's height by the distance between the ground and the navel, you must obtain a certain "Golden" number. Among other recognized criterions. Esthete's criterions, or what is universally recognized as measures of beauty.
Well there are certainly norms of beauty which differ in different societies.Not so. The norms are now universal. Look at China, which is ranked third in plastic surgeries, with more than million operations annually. Chinese women operate their eyes to appear larger, raise the bridge of the nose to make it more prominent, sculpt their cheekbones, ect. Not even talking about skin whitening.
The UNIVERSAL norm is those girls that one see in the glam magazines. It's a pure fact.
But I know from my own obsessions with certain types that beauty is very much in the eye of the beholder.Of course you're right. But you'll agree that there is "objective" measures for beauty. For exemple, I dislike the simian faces of isaan girls, but it's because their faces usually DO HAVE repulsive features. If a girl has, let's say, the eyes too far apart, a flat nose or a head too spherical, no one can deny that she does NOT enter in the criterions that define a beautiful and "aristocratic" face with a perfect geometric harmony.
Angus Magee
07-22-12, 17:48
Exactly.
Would this talent scout happen to be in Eastern Europe or West Africa?Had to search for this a bit but I remembered this news item from a few months back about the most beautiful girl in Britain, according to a "mathematical formula".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFshu73Jkqs&feature=fvwrel
Is she beautiful? No doubt in a certain way. But for my taste she is a little too wholesome looking. I like a girl who looks a little "slutty" and who radiates a little more sex than this girl. So in the end I have to say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
AM
So in the end I have to say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
AMI've come to the conclusion that almost EVERY woman looks much more beautiful with a cock in her mouth. Preferably mine!
Angus Magee
07-22-12, 20:23
I've come to the conclusion that almost EVERY woman looks much more beautiful with a cock in her mouth. Preferably mine!Well it would certainly make the Miss America pageant more interesting if they replaced the on stage questioning with a BJ contest. But that would really make the AW feminists squawk even lounder about the contest.
AM
Delta Indigo
07-22-12, 23:37
Beauty can be quantified. Any talent scout will tell you that it is anything but subjective.I think the biggest lie on earth is that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. That being said beauty does not exist in only one form, I agree with that. But I think what I will consider beautiful, any refined soul will. It is like good wines, you have to be able to appreciate them.
Many people are unable to appreciate very high standards of beauty. That is what I truly believe. And anyone who tells you Miami or Los Angeles is on par with Belgrade, Kiev or Bucharest is either hopelessly retarded or totally blind.
ThatGuy865
07-24-12, 23:45
Today, I saw a woman who was in the top five of all the women I have seen at Jones Beach this summer. She was of Dominican lineage, but born in the States. I have been to Dominican Republic five times and I have never seen a woman there as attractive as her. I saw her near the water with a guy, but there was no way in God's green earth she could have been involved in any type of socio-sexual relationship with him considering the fact that he was unattractive and unwholesome, low socioeconomic strata to boot. I introduced myself to her while he was in the water and she was not opening up to me at all as evidenced by the fact that she was not asking questions about myself- an immediate red flag- and le behold he comes back and I find out they are involved in a sociosexual relationship. I was shocked. It really is bizarre how homely and downtrodden some of the men these extremely attractive women sociosexually interact with. This conundrum requires more investigation on my part.And these guys on here keep saying. Guys are not getting "extremely attractive AW" (your words). Sounds like you've found out some American Men DO know how to score. And doing it well. Even guys who are. How did you say it."unattractive, unwholesome, and of low socioeconomic strata to boot".
I know "You guys will say". WITHOUT Knowing the girl. She's AW so she has to have a bad attitude. Don't like sex.
Lugalzaggizi 1st rule. Looks are more important to men. Women can be won over with personality and charm. To date. You haven't shown much of either. When approaching a woman.
But keep on keeping on. There is one out there for you. It might take some time. But you are bound to run into her.
TG
Chocha Monger
07-26-12, 00:18
Today, I saw a woman who was in the top five of all the women I have seen at Jones Beach this summer. She was of Dominican lineage, but born in the States. I have been to Dominican Republic five times and I have never seen a woman there as attractive as her. I saw her near the water with a guy, but there was no way in God's green earth she could have been involved in any type of socio-sexual relationship with him considering the fact that he was unattractive and unwholesome, low socioeconomic strata to boot. I introduced myself to her while he was in the water and she was not opening up to me at all as evidenced by the fact that she was not asking questions about myself- an immediate red flag- and le behold he comes back and I find out they are involved in a sociosexual relationship. I was shocked. It really is bizarre how homely and downtrodden some of the men these extremely attractive women sociosexually interact with. This conundrum requires more investigation on my part.How were you able to ascertain that this guy was of "low socioeconomic strata?" Did you just look at him and make that determination along with your assessment of his "unattractive and unwholesome" nature? It seems that you are really jealous that the guy is going balls deep in that tasty Dominican ass and she wouldn't give you the time of day. Maybe she didn't think a lifeguard was at the socioeconomic level to be granted access to her pussy. That would put the guy fucking all her holes at a higher level. LOL
Bango Cheito
07-27-12, 08:23
I find myself agreeing with Prosal. I think the Greeks were really on to something.
A lot of it is just how much effort a woman puts into BEING attractive. Colombia ranks real high on this part, as does many EE destinations. You can't put all of that down to genetics. Hell, most of us our gene pool is so thoroughly mixed we are really guessing what makes us up unless we pay for a mitochondial analysis.
I agree, somebody who thinks Miami is chock full of gorgeous woman is like somebody who thinks a Mickey D's happy meal is gourmet food. And I HAVE seen many times culturally retarded Americans abroad eating good food for the first time in their lives and complaining because it's not the same as IHOP or Applebees.
I'm pretty flexible when it comes to a woman's physical appearance and not very demanding (other qualities are more important to me) but after 4 years in Colombia my PERCEPTION of beauty has opened up tremendously, I pick out details now that I was completely BLIND to 4 years ago.
Bareback Jack
07-27-12, 13:14
I told her that I lifeguard during the summer- a means of maintaining perpetual adolescence- and that I don't have kids. She asks me why and I told her that I can't convince any women to have sex with me. She didn't get my sense of humor.Along with probably 99. 99999% of all other women. Women generally find this sort of humor very unattractive.
Bareback Jack
07-27-12, 13:24
I saw her near the water with a guy, but there was no way in God's green earth she could have been involved in any type of socio-sexual relationship with him considering the fact that he was unattractive and unwholesome, low socioeconomic strata to boot.You are making a lot of assumptions. Why would you try to second guess her motives for being with that guy? He might be driving her crazy in bed. He doesn't need a fine face or body for that. What do you know? His tool might be awesome, he might be rich without showing off or simply a really nice person. Please don't bring this kind of judgmental crap to the forum.
You are making a lot of assumptions. Why would you try to second guess her motives for being with that guy? He might be driving her crazy in bed. He doesn't need a fine face or body for that. What do you know? His tool might be awesome, he might be rich without showing off or simply a really nice person. Please don't bring this kind of judgmental crap to the forum.I second that!
ThatGuy865
08-13-12, 11:07
For "ALL" AW to be considered so fat (as guys so often claim). They. Dominated. I mean. DOMINATED. In the Olympics. And looked good while doing it. Guess 2013 like 2012 for me. Its all about AW poontane. Still The GOLD standard.
Mr Enternational
08-13-12, 20:27
For "ALL" AW to be considered so fat (as guys so often claim).Maybe it's only the bitter guys who claim that as an excuse. There are fat people in every society.
Bango Cheito
08-16-12, 11:59
For "ALL" AW to be considered so fat (as guys so often claim). They. Dominated. I mean. DOMINATED. In the Olympics. And looked good while doing it. Guess 2013 like 2012 for me. Its all about AW poontane. Still The GOLD standard.Https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=336719116394113&set=a.309496309116394.77603.136893956376631&type=1&theater
NO gringa can touch that shit. And the real sick part is not how they look it's knowing they both would be absolute DYNAMITE in bed!
For "ALL" AW to be considered so fat (as guys so often claim). They. Dominated. I mean. DOMINATED. In the Olympics. And looked good while doing it. Guess 2013 like 2012 for me. Its all about AW poontane. Still The GOLD standard.Obesity rates by country! Enuf said.
http://www.nationmaster.com/red/graph/hea_obe-health-obesity&b_printable=1
Obesity rates by country! Enuf said.
http://www.nationmaster.com/red/graph/hea_obe-health-obesity&b_printable=1Those numbers are IMO total BS (as most numbers of Nationmaster). Per example, according WHO (which a priori divulges right numbers) , some 22% of the adult female population in Brasil suffered from obesity in 2008. I've read somewhere that it had increased to 27% since then. A study reported that the city with the highest obesity index is Rio, with alarming numbers among the 15/20 yo population. Furthermore, goverment says that almost half of Brasilians are now overweight. In the next 10 years, this will rise to 60.
http://www.who.int/gho/countries/bra.pdf
Obesity is a matter of alarming importance in South America. I guess the numbers are more or less the same in Colombia, Venezuela, ect and are even more alarming in Carribeans (french goverment announced recently that 31% of the population suffered from obesity in french Carribean departments and french Guiana).
I'll stick to FSU. I like my women thin and tall.
ThatGuy865
08-17-12, 18:42
obesity rates by country! enuf said.
http://www.nationmaster.com/red/graph/hea_obe-health-obesity&b_printable=1usa. only 30%. good. that means 70% (still the majority) of women must be not only beautiful but fit too
i can operate within that 70%.
lets see 350 million peeps. 1/2 being women. 150 million. by 70%.
that give me roughly 100 million beautiful women. i can deal with that.
Https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=336719116394113&set=a.309496309116394.77603.136893956376631&type=1&theater
NO gringa can touch that shit. And the real sick part is not how they look it's knowing they both would be absolute DYNAMITE in bed!What I dislike in South American women is that many are SHORT. The woman's average height in Brasil is 5'2" (1, 58cm, which is admittedly short) , and in Colombia even less (AW are also short BTW). A HUGE a turn-off for me. I like my women about 5'8". And slender (yet curvy, but with no excess). And in this respect, no part of the world can beat the Former Soviet Union.
Bango Cheito
08-19-12, 03:03
What I dislike in South American women is that many are SHORT. The woman's average height in Brasil is 5'2" (1, 58cm, which is admittedly short) , and in Colombia even less (AW are also short BTW). A HUGE a turn-off for me. I like my women about 5'8". And slender (yet curvy, but with no excess). And in this respect, no part of the world can beat the Former Soviet Union.Tell me about it, I once did a 69 with a girl and wound up sucking on her toes hahahahaha but it depends on what part of the country, the Paisas and Costeños are taller.
30% of AW are OBESE, which is fatter than fat. Most of the rest are FAT. And then most of the rest who are not fat OR obese (not even 10% of the population) are emaciated. The US is an extremely unhealthy country.
Bareback Jack
08-19-12, 14:02
30% of AW are OBESE, which is fatter than fat. Most of the rest are FAT. And then most of the rest who are not fat OR obese (not even 10% of the population) are emaciated. The US is an extremely unhealthy country.Most commonly obesity is still referred to by a BMI 30. BMI isn't a very good measure and has been abandoned by many serious health practitioners. BMI would put most body builders into a 30-35 and nobody would suggest they are fat. Equally many of the female track stars that were referred to earlier in posts would be easily classified as overweight by BMI, which is obviously utterly ridiculous. Having said that, for many who lead a very sedentary lifestyle it's a good indicator. For a woman to be BMI 30 at 5'8" she'd have to weigh 200lbs and no way I'd ever consider doing a cowgirl with that kind of weight on top LMAO.
Body fat percentage or the inverse, lean mass is a much more interesting measure. A woman (or man) can still be horribly fat at ideal weight with 40% of the tissue being fat, which leads to a thin person with a kind of porky, sausage meat like tissue texture. Nothing you really want to consider for sex.
I agree with you that the US like many other highly industrialised countries is a place of extremes. The reason for that is simply that there is too wide a choice of processed foods and little practical help for people to make healthy choices. The food industry isn't helping, being a completely immoral bunch they have no moral issues with people getting unhealthy by consumption of their products. How long for example has this insane low-fat campaign of the food industry been going on and still many consumers have no idea that fats at not their enemies per se, but the increasing amount of sugar that is being put into foods to compensate for the lack of fat. How many people really know that fatty foods keep you satiated for longer and that foods high in sugar make you just eat more and more?
This doesn't affect developing countries as much because the choice is simply not there.
On the other hand, I have to agree with ThatGuy. In such a big population there ought to be plenty enough fit girls to last a lifetime. Women have never been a reason for me to leave any country. Rather issues like work / life balance, climate, society in general etc.
there is too wide a choice of processed foods and little practical help for people to make healthy choices.While the former might be true, the latter is not. How about reading the fucking label? That is really all that is necessary. I personally think you could eat Big Macs and Doritos exclusively and not be obese, if you were working the way most people worked in by-gone eras. I think it is the sedentary lifestyle more than the nutrition. And, I go to the gym and I see how the average woman "exercises" and it's not too impressive for the most part. Like you are trying to work out without sweating to where your mascara would run. Doesn't really work. A lot of men are just pigs, eating way too much, too often, in too large of portions. The result is a lot of fat fucks cluttering up the place and being eyesores in general.
ThatGuy865
08-19-12, 15:54
99% of the fattness in America comes from poor choices and lifestyle
We have affluent lifestyle that most other countries don't. Most Americans DRIVE EVERYWHERE they go. So little to no walking, do NOT have strenuous jobs, so no energy exerted there, and come home and lead sedentary lifestyles watching TV.
Compound that with the "EASY access", convenience and low cost of. Fast food, and processed meals
Along with LARGE portion sizes. And you have a recipe for "Fatness"
The rise of Single family households. Means ONE person is working and raising the kids and while it not best for them."fast food" and "processed" foods is cheap and convenient. When you are rushed for time.
Those who want to stay in shape. Have plenty of 'Healthy" food alternatives .
"Organic" food is sold everywhere and Local "Farmer's markets" are held in most cities. And of course "Gyms" are everywhere.
For some its time and convenience, others its about getting off the couch, and some need to be educated about their choices. And portion size.
It all comes down to choices. And a desire to be fit. It all available. You have to want it.
How about reading the fucking label? That is really all that is necessary. I personally think you could eat Big Macs and Doritos exclusively and not be obese, if you were working the way most people worked in by-gone eras.Personally I have never noticed a nutritional information label on a Big Mac or any other hamburger, but even so they don't really help.
The biggest problem in the US is that nearly ALL the food in supermarkets or restaurants is processed with added sugar and salt, so it is really hard to avoid. Even the BREAD has sugar added. Cakes and pies are ridiculously oversweetened, people drink bottles of Coca-Cola that have 20 teaspoons of sugar in them.
Yes, people can eat healthy in the US if they always eat at home, bake their own bread, avoid processed foods, sodas, etc, but it is much harder than in other countries. Also the sedentary lifestyle and going everywhere by car does not help. In most countries it is not hard to buy a plate of ready cooked food on the street that does not contain added sugar, etc.
Bareback Jack
08-19-12, 22:12
While the former might be true, the latter is not. How about reading the fucking label? That is really all that is necessary. I personally think you could eat Big Macs and Doritos exclusively and not be obese, if you were working the way most people worked in by-gone eras. I think it is the sedentary lifestyle more than the nutritionMost people haven't got a clue what their Base Metabolic Rate is. Therefore food labels are completely irrelevant because there is no valid frame of reference. Many people are still assuming that a daily intake of 2, 500kCal for a man is normal. Truth is that many will find themselves with a BMR of only 1, 600kcal, women even down to 1, 400kcal on sedentary lifestyles. Overstepping your BMR, if you don't exercise, by only 500 kcal per day, will add a pound of body mass (or shall we say fat) per week.
Also, for example UK RDAs find it acceptable for an adult male to ingest 120g of simple sugars every day. This is way too much and possibly the greatest fat booster ever. Sugars are being added everywhere. To yogurts, bread, milk shakes and what not else. I wonder sometimes what is going on in the head of food agencies? My only assumption is that the food industry blows so much money up their asses that they really don't care.
I've taken a lot of time to research things as an athlete and taking responsibility for myself instead of relying on misinformation that comes from government approved authorities. But I really don't think everyone has the time and ability to do this. It comes back to one fundamental conclusion: don't buy anything in the supermarket and cook all your food from basic ingredients yourself and you know what you're eating without someone messing with your organism to support their own agenda!
Bango Cheito
08-19-12, 22:30
Most commonly obesity is still referred to by a BMI 30. BMI isn't a very good measure and has been abandoned by many serious health practitioners. BMI would put most body builders into a 30-35 and nobody would suggest they are fat. Equally many of the female track stars that were referred to earlier in posts would be easily classified as overweight by BMI, which is obviously utterly ridiculous. Having said that, for many who lead a very sedentary lifestyle it's a good indicator. For a woman to be BMI 30 at 5'8" she'd have to weigh 200lbs and no way I'd ever consider doing a cowgirl with that kind of weight on top LMAO.
Body fat percentage or the inverse, lean mass is a much more interesting measure. A woman (or man) can still be horribly fat at ideal weight with 40% of the tissue being fat, which leads to a thin person with a kind of porky, sausage meat like tissue texture. Nothing you really want to consider for sex.
I agree with you that the US like many other highly industrialised countries is a place of extremes. The reason for that is simply that there is too wide a choice of processed foods and little practical help for people to make healthy choices. The food industry isn't helping, being a completely immoral bunch they have no moral issues with people getting unhealthy by consumption of their products. How long for example has this insane low-fat campaign of the food industry been going on and still many consumers have no idea that fats at not their enemies per se, but the increasing amount of sugar that is being put into foods to compensate for the lack of fat. How many people really know that fatty foods keep you satiated for longer and that foods high in sugar make you just eat more and more?
This doesn't affect developing countries as much because the choice is simply not there.
On the other hand, I have to agree with ThatGuy. In such a big population there ought to be plenty enough fit girls to last a lifetime. Women have never been a reason for me to leave any country. Rather issues like work / life balance, climate, society in general etc.In men the body fat % should be from 8-12, in women from 18-25.
Most US bodybuilders ARE too fucking fat because they have in excess of 12% (assuming male bodybuilders). I'm at 14% right now, considered in shape by US standards, still a little bit fat in the rest of the world. A lot of world class bodybuilders and shotputters etc ARE too fucking fat. They may be world class athletes but they're still too fucking fat!
I just shed 20 pounds in 3 weeks in the US, but I did it by being in ketosis for 2 of those weeks. It works, but it's not a good long term strategy, and it has its side effects, it makes you smell horrible, and in my case gave me reflux a couple of nights. But I have no idea how else to NOT gain weight here in the US.
Gaining or losing fat on your body has very little to do with ANYTHING else than body insulin levels. Not even calories really matter that much. If you're SWIMMING in insulin, you can take in 800 calories a day and your body will put on 800 calories worth of fat, and burn muscle tissue for energy! Which is my big beef (sic!) with the American food supply. EVERY last goddamn thing in the supermarket has shit in it that spikes your insulin levels. Even a whole chicken is now injected with a broth containing soybean shit and a nasty witches brew of insulin-supporting garbage! I've been subsisting on eggs and canned fish but the sodium levels are also unacceptable.....
Dude I had a Dominican and a Mexican chick step to me while I was just in NYC, both good looking and half my age. I didn't even bother to get their FB or phone#s.
I had some English girl come and chat me up in a pub on Monday here in London where I'm vacationing, and blew her off, not interested.
I'll wait till I'm back in Colombia with the finest pussy in the world. Maybe I'll tap the Dominican chick because she really is nice looking and into me. If I have time. No big deal. The REAL deal waits for me back home.
Dude, standards of living? Rights, FREEDOMS? What the hell are you talking about? You seriously think that America is *A* free country, much less the ONLY one?
I'll let you guys in on a little secret. If you have English AND Spanish FLUENT, you can land in Bogota or Medellin and INSTANTLY be in the top 10% of society and get a GOOD job down there, one that affords you a lifestyle you could only DREAM of in the United States. Or better yet, you could go independent and make even MORE money, and get your health insurance without having to pay the ridiculous amounts they charge in the US.
Of course let's be straight up here, most Americans couldn't speak decent English to save their goddamn lives here, much less dominate a second language. But for those that can, or have uncommonly good artistic ability, paradise awaits.I enjoy your reports on Colombia and AW comments. For some time now I've wanted to work outside the USA-mostly Asia, but I have seen it is quite difficult to get gainful employment.
You mention an American with Spanish fluency could do quite well professionally. I'd love to have an opportunity like that. Would you care to elaborate on such opportunities in some depth. Thank you very much! I couldn't message you, as your mail box is full.
Personally I have never noticed a nutritional information label on a Big Mac or any other hamburger, but even so they don't really help.At least in the US, the nutritional information is on the wall. One Big Mac has over half the recommended daily allowance of fat (34g) , and about 2/3 of its 590 calories are from fat:
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/foods-from-mcdonalds/6220/2
Bread needs a bit of sugar to interact with the yeast and a little bit of salt to keep the dough from getting rubbery when it's kneaded. If you want to avoid the sugar, all you have to do is eat tortillas instead of bread. Very simple to do in the US. A whole wheat tortilla has more protein than fat and fewer than 25% of its calories are from fat.
And I don't know that you have to cook at home all the time to avoid junk food. Subway is a good place to start. Applebee's has several low sodium dishes that are pretty good. Apologists for Mickey D's would probably point out that a Big Mac has 24 grams of protein. 24/34 is not a good ratio. The RDAs are 50g of protein and 65g of fat. That is 77% protein / fat and a big Mac is 71. That all sucks. I try to get 60-80 grams of protein a day and I look for foods with a 2/1 protein to fat ratio. Rice, beans, pasta, oatmeal, quinoa (a cup of cooked quinoa has over 8 grams of protein) , and Gardenburgers all have a 2/1 ratio. Poultry is 8 or 9 to 1. I eat about 2-3 ounces of white meat a day and 3-4 eggs a week, and I avoid candy, chips, and soda pop completely. An added advantage is that I eat well on only about $200 a month.
I am watching the Mets' game on TV and the hot dog vendor had a button with the price ($6) and the number of calories (310). I will try to see if other concession items are similarly labeled.
Punter 127
08-22-12, 02:08
I try to get 60-80 grams of protein a day and I look for foods with a 2/1 protein to fat ratio. Rice, beans, pasta, oatmeal, quinoa (a cup of cooked quinoa has over 8 grams of protein) , and Gardenburgers all have a 2/1 ratio. Poultry is 8 or 9 to 1. I eat about 2-3 ounces of white meat a day and 3-4 eggs a week, and I avoid candy, chips, and soda pop completely. An added advantage is that I eat well on only about $200 a month.Beer? What about the beer? LOL
Bango Cheito
08-27-12, 03:30
At least in the US, the nutritional information is on the wall. One Big Mac has over half the recommended daily allowance of fat (34g) , and about 2/3 of its 590 calories are from fat:
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/foods-from-mcdonalds/6220/2
Bread needs a bit of sugar to interact with the yeast and a little bit of salt to keep the dough from getting rubbery when it's kneaded. If you want to avoid the sugar, all you have to do is eat tortillas instead of bread. Very simple to do in the US. A whole wheat tortilla has more protein than fat and fewer than 25% of its calories are from fat.
And I don't know that you have To cook at home all the time to avoid junk food. Subway is a good place to start. Applebee's has several low sodium dishes that are pretty good. Apologists for Mickey D's would probably point out that a Big Mac has 24 grams of protein. 24/34 is not a good ratio. The RDAs are 50g of protein and 65g of fat. That is 77% protein / fat and a big Mac is 71. That all sucks. I try to get 60-80 grams of protein a day and I look for foods with a 2/1 protein to fat ratio. Rice, beans, pasta, oatmeal, quinoa (a cup of cooked quinoa has over 8 grams of protein) , and Gardenburgers all have a 2/1 ratio. Poultry is 8 or 9 to 1. I eat about 2-3 ounces of white meat a day and 3-4 eggs a week, and I avoid candy, chips, and soda pop completely. An added advantage is that I eat well on only about $200 a month.
You must be rail thin on only 80 grams of protein per day or less. I eat 150 on a non-gym day. 200 if I go to the gym. MINIMUM. And I don't eat, bread, rice, or pasta. I get all my protein from real meat, and then count the beans and stuff as a carb with a little added protein. On top of that I eat mostly vegetables, and some fruit. And nothing but water and tea to drink!
Of course everything has been fucked with in the US, nowadays even a chicken in the meat section is injected with this broth shit that's really a witch's brew of soy prodcuts other chemicals that spike your insulin levels, and carbohydrate fillers usually based on GMO corn.
If you get access to good PURE protein sources (almost none in the vegetable kingdom) and cut all the rice and bread and potato garbage out of the diet, it almost doesn't matter how much fat you take in. It's the CARBS you have to cut if you want to get rid of bodily fat.
But the whole point is that this is next to impossible in the USA for any length of time, because you´d have to be eating shit like canned fish which is notoriously high in sodium, or spending a LOT of money on decent free-range meat eggs etc.
You must be rail thin on only 80 grams of protein per day or less.No.
It's the CARBS you have to cut if you want to get rid of bodily fat.Wait a minute. I thought I was rail thin. You stay with your Atkins and I will stay with my low-fat and high-carb. Neither one of us will be overweight. There are a lot of ways to eat sensibly and just because a person is not overweight doesn't mean their diet is good. But you have an approach To eating that works for you and I have an approach To eating that works for me. And neither approach includes salty, sweet, or fatty snacks, soda pop, or similar EMPTY calories. And I am sure you have a different approach to exercise than I do, but we exercise. I don't give a shit about having six-pack abs or anything like that.
Beer? What about the beer? LOLThey don't put the protein on the label so I figure that's all gravy.
You must be rail thin on only 80 grams of protein per day or less. I eat 150 on a non-gym day. 200 if I go to the gym. MINIMUM. And I don't eat, bread, rice, or pasta. I get all my protein from real meat, and then count the beans and stuff as a carb with a little added protein. On top of that I eat mostly vegetables, and some fruit. And nothing but water and tea to drink!
Of course everything has been fucked with in the US, nowadays even a chicken in the meat section is injected with this broth shit that's really a witch's brew of soy prodcuts other chemicals that spike your insulin levels, and carbohydrate fillers usually based on GMO corn.
If you get access to good PURE protein sources (almost none in the vegetable kingdom) and cut all the rice and bread and potato garbage out of the diet, it almost doesn't matter how much fat you take in. It's the CARBS you have to cut if you want to get rid of bodily fat.
But the whole point is that this is next to impossible in the USA for any length of time, because you'the have to be eating shit like canned fish which is notoriously high in sodium, or spending a LOT of money on decent free-range meat eggs etc.Ummm, you only need about 4-5% dietary protein to be perfectly healthy. All attainable through a purely vegetarian diet."Needing" animal protein via meat, eggs or dairy really isn't needed. Tasty, but not necessary.
Research has shown that fastest weight loss is through an "Adkins" style "Paleo diet" approach, but that such weight loss is less sustainable and significantly increases cardiovascular and diabetes risks. A plant-centered "Mediterranean diet" rich in veggies, high fibre carbs, seeds, nuts, fatty fish,"healthy" fats like olive oil, and minimal meat / dairy / eggs does best at delivering weight loss at a sustainable rate (0. 5-1kg / week) , keeping that weight off, and simultaneously reducing cardiovascular and diabetes risk factors.
Bango Cheito
08-27-12, 04:36
Ummm, you only need about 4-5% dietary protein to be perfectly healthy. All attainable through a purely vegetarian diet."Needing" animal protein via meat, eggs or dairy really isn't needed. Tasty, but not necessary.
Research has shown that fastest weight loss is through an "Adkins" style "Paleo diet" approach, but that such weight loss is less sustainable and significantly increases cardiovascular and diabetes risks. A plant-centered "Mediterranean diet" rich in veggies, high fibre carbs, seeds, nuts, fatty fish,"healthy" fats like olive oil, and minimal meat / dairy / eggs does best at delivering weight loss at a sustainable rate (0. 5-1kg / week) , keeping that weight off, and simultaneously reducing cardiovascular and diabetes risk factors.I don't know anybody really STRONG that gets less than 30% of their calories through protein.
Carbs such as rice and bread and shit are totally unnatural foods and IMO don't belong in a human stomach!
But back to the topic of AW, the American diet is the most screwed up one of all, because everything tends to come from a package. So people (NOT just women) in other countries have an advantage of already living in a healthier environment. It doesn't help that in all but a few places in the US you are FORCED to get around in a car either!
I don't know anybody really STRONG that gets less than 30% of their calories through protein.
Carbs such as rice and bread and shit are totally unnatural foods and IMO don't belong in a human stomach!
But back to the topic of AW, the American diet is the most screwed up one of all, because everything tends to come from a package. So people (NOT just women) in other countries have an advantage of already living in a healthier environment. It doesn't help that in all but a few places in the US you are FORCED to get around in a car either!I would much rather be quick than strong but saying rice is an unnatural food is just absurd and destroys your credibility. Have fun at the gym!
I would much rather be quick than strong but saying rice is an unnatural food is just absurd and destroys your credibility. Have fun at the gym!Agree with you on this one. I don't eat much proteins but train almost daily on the Concept 2 indoor rower. The more often for 10 000 meters best score, but also for 6 X 2000 mts hard rowing. 30 minutes challenging intensity, one hour best score, half marathons, and one in a while, a 42 200 mts marathon that I usually finish, half-dead, in less than 3 h 30 mts.
Cardio training is the best for the sport we like (sex). Weights, machine? It's useless.
I don't know anybody really STRONG that gets less than 30% of their calories through proteinHttp://eatdrinkbetter.com/2011/02/21/top-mma-fighters-raving-about-vegetarianism/
Bango Cheito
08-28-12, 06:58
Http://eatdrinkbetter.com/2011/02/21/top-mma-fighters-raving-about-vegetarianism/HAHAHAHAH all welterweights, put them in the ring with a heavyweight and watch what happens.
Natural foods are foods we ate BEFORE agriculture. Wild fruits and veg and freshly caught meat. Human beings were healthier in the Paleo era than they are now, even with all the modern medicine and shit!
Anyways getting back to our sheep, that's why AW are so unhealthy as well. The food supply is garbage. Anybody who moves to the US from another country notices it immediately.
Take the eggs for example, in the US even the organic ones don't hold a candle to the ones commonly available on every street corner in Colombia. These eggs are HUGE, and the yolks are a deep orange color as opposed to the insipid canary yello of a US egg which indicates lack of micronutrients....
HAHAHAHAH all welterweights, put them in the ring with a heavyweight and watch what happens.Doesn't matter how they might or might not fare against heavyweights, but I bet they'd kick YOUR ass. :-)
Mr Enternational
08-28-12, 22:31
Anyways getting back to our sheep, that's why AW are so unhealthy as well. The food supply is garbage. Anybody who moves to the US from another country notices it immediately.So why does the beef taste like shit in most other countries besides the USA? I take it you have never tried to get a decent burger or steak in Asia (with the exception of Japan. The McDonald's in Narita airport has the best 1/4 pounder.)
I take it you have never tried to get a decent burger or steak in AsiaWhy in the world would one even try, except for in trying to assuage a gnawing craving after many moons away from home. Deciding to indulge in a steak in Asia and hoping against hope for a good experience is like trolling for white girls in Orchard Towers or Nana Plaza. Yeah, you might find something, but it won't be that good. If you're hankering for white meat it will only make longing for it worse. The best produce is generally locally grown.
Back to the AW topic. The best produce is usually NOT locally grown there.
I agree with you 100%! The quality of food here in the USA sucks! All the beneficial nutrients have been processed out. Chickens / Cows are fed corn mixed with bone meal and loaded up with antibiotics. It sucks!
HAHAHAHAH all welterweights, put them in the ring with a heavyweight and watch what happens.
Natural foods are foods we ate BEFORE agriculture. Wild fruits and veg and freshly caught meat. Human beings were healthier in the Paleo era than they are now, even with all the modern medicine and shit!
Anyways getting back to our sheep, that's why AW are so unhealthy as well. The food supply is garbage. Anybody who moves to the US from another country notices it immediately.
Take the eggs for example, in the US even the organic ones don't hold a candle to the ones commonly available on every street corner in Colombia. These eggs are HUGE, and the yolks are a deep orange color as opposed to the insipid canary yello of a US egg which indicates lack of micronutrients.
So why does the beef taste like shit in most other countries besides the USA? I take it you have never tried to get a decent burger or steak in Asia (with the exception of Japan. The McDonald's in Narita airport has the best 1/4 pounder.)Beef in the USA is loaded with hormones. This is why it is banned for import in most of European countries.
See here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhlhSQ5z4V4 For understanding how industrial food is made in the USA. You are being poisoned!
Mr Enternational
08-29-12, 04:01
Beef in the USA is loaded with hormones. This is why it is banned for import in most of European countries.
See here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhlhSQ5z4V4
For understanding how industrial food is made in the USA. You are being poisoned!You missed the question. I didn't ask what it was loaded with. I asked why it tastes so much better than other places. You are being poisoned by living. Everybody is going to die eventually. My grandfather ate pork, drank liquor, smoked cigars, and chased women until the day he died at 90 years old. He was even shot once by my grandmother who was hiding in the back seat when he went to pick up a woman. That didn't stop his roll. And y'all are being punked out by food. Don't fucking eat then if you are afraid of the food. I went to school in Europe and I travel there frequently, and the food tastes like shit, but at least you think it's not poisoning you. Wasn't Paul McCartney's wife a vegetarian? And she died at what 56? My dad is 61 and looks as young as his 40 year old son. He never told me don't eat this or that or don't drink his daily drink (Hennessy) because it's all poison. He taught me to live life to the fullest. Shit, me and an old college / navy buddy had steaks at Fleming's in Los Angeles last night that made me want to slap my mama. It tasted just like the porterhouses that I buy at Walmart and put on the grill at home. So you just might be talking to a dead man.
P. S. Don't even let me get started on India. Aren't they supposed to be vegetarians? Yet look at them when they get older. Somebody is sneaking some meat in some damn where.
Bango Cheito
08-30-12, 22:36
Doesn't matter how they might or might not fare against heavyweights, but I bet they'd kick YOUR ass. :-)This is hardly the place for such a discussion, but on the street I'll step to ANY vegetarian.
As for good steaks, nothing was better than getting back to Colombia so I could get my teeth into a REAL piece of beef. I think USA beef tastes like shit! And Argentia Uruguay and Brazil all have better beef than here even. And the eggs, the yolks here are a deep orange, instead of a pale pathetic yellow like in the US. Ask ANY immigrant, the food in the US is the world's WORST.
The best burger I had in my entire life was at the corner of 46th and 8th in BOGOTA. Hamburguesas Baquero, look for them on Facebook.
Anybody who thinks that the food in London is worse than anywhere in the USA really seriously lacks taste buds.
As for healthy, anything that you can't eat in its natural state is bad for you. I eat my fruits and veg mostly raw in salad or shit like that and the meat blue rare or sometimes tartare if I can. Try eating rice or wheat right from the field and see what happens to you.
From the Philippines, I borrow the term Caribao. It's Phils for 'water buffalo. ' At the American mall, you find herds of Caribao.
ThatGuy865
08-31-12, 03:30
This is hardly the place for such a discussion, but on the street I'll step to ANY vegetarian.
As for good steaks, nothing was better than getting back to Colombia so I could get my teeth into a REAL piece of beef. I think USA beef tastes like shit!And Argentia Uruguay and Brazil all have better beef than here even. And the eggs, the yolks here are a deep orange, instead of a pale pathetic yellow like in the US. Ask ANY immigrant, the food in the US is the world's WORST.[/QUOTE]I can show you MANY Articles listing the USA in the top 5 to 10 countries for Food Nutrition and safety. USA and New York in particular are Ranked in the BEST restaurants in the World.
http://www.agweb.com/article/u.s._not_no._1_in_food_safety/
http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2010/06/03/con-food-safety.html
http://www.cnngo.com/explorations/eat/worlds-50-best-restaurants-2012-who-made-cut-977958
http://www.theworlds50best.com/
Bet you can't find ONE list anywhere stating COLOMBIA is even in the top 50 of anything on a world level
I haven't seen any list that has Colombia on it PERIOD. Oh sorry, I didn't look for "Best 3rd world food".
Peace
I have been to 34 countries and I would rank the food in Colombia around 25th or so. Well below average. Number one? Spain.
Bango Cheito
09-01-12, 02:49
I'm not talking about good gourmet cooking here. I'm talking about healthy food that doesn't spike your insulin. There's a big difference!
Chocha Monger
09-01-12, 14:35
You missed the question. I didn't ask what it was loaded with. I asked why it tastes so much better than other places. You are being poisoned by living. Everybody is going to die eventually. My grandfather ate pork, drank liquor, smoked cigars, and chased women until the day he died at 90 years old. He was even shot once by my grandmother who was hiding in the back seat when he went to pick up a woman. That didn't stop his roll. And y'all are being punked out by food. Don't fucking eat then if you are afraid of the food. I went to school in Europe and I travel there frequently, and the food tastes like shit.That's why I developed this rig for mongers out patrolling urban environments in search of street meat. Now you can have quality American rations to keep you in good form and at peak performance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vdDItKMDf6g
ThatGuy865
09-01-12, 16:22
I'm not talking about good gourmet cooking here. I'm talking about healthy food that doesn't spike your insulin. There's a big difference!Colombia farmers may not introduce hormones into cattle or chickens. But the governments standards and ability to regulate pesticides used or sanitary conditions on produce and farm animals is minimal at best.
Bango Cheito
09-01-12, 21:32
that's why i developed this rig for mongers out patrolling urban environments in search of street meat. now you can have quality american rations to keep you in good form and at peak performance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vdditkmdf6ghahhahhahaahah chocha nice one!
getting back on topic, i was just away from colombia for three months, and i had girls in nyc hitting on me, wasn't interested, turned them all down. ditto on the english chicks in london. didn't move a molecule of me. english girls were intelliegent but boring and insipid, and often didn't take care of themselves, do their hair nice, brush their teeth. some smelled like they didn't bathe too often. the aw at least always bathe daily, but have often nothing in their heads, and tend to be fatter and dress horribly.
finally got back to colombia and had a mini orgy with two friends who are also gf and gf, and one of my roommates. it was worth waiting. i have a whole new perspective of sensuality and beauty to fulfill now!
plus i finally had some decent grapes and a decent orange for the first time in three months. and i personally love the way the meat tastes here, as long as you avoid the tons of restaurants where they overcook it :p
Mr Enternational
09-02-12, 01:17
That's why I developed this rig for mongers out patrolling urban environments in search of street meat. Now you can have quality American rations to keep you in good form and at peak performance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vdDItKMDf6gYeah that was some funny shit. I was looking at the pictures on the right hand side and expecting to see a guy with guns or something. Then when they panned the camera out I started rolling. He said we can be away from home for 2 or 3 hours with nothing to eat. LOL.
Chocha Monger
09-15-12, 01:30
Lugalzaggizi what are you trying to prove by getting rejected by 30 American women? That it's impossible for you to get pussy in America? Most guys here have already concluded that it's a waste of time approaching AW and begging for phone numbers or dates. Your blow by blow accounts of rejection are entertaining though. Let us know when you get sprayed with mace or detained by the cops. LOL
When I read these posts about US women I can't help thinking women in major industrialized countries are hardly any better. Don't forget that if you can get sex eg in Germany, it's because women from non EU countries are still allowed to work there. As sex mongers we should remember to spend some time reading MRA blogs and become active as MRAs (men's rights activists). Feminists are closing in on our lifestyle. If we don't put up a fight soon we will have nothing more to report.
Hessen Bub
09-15-12, 20:26
Don't forget that if you can get sex eg in Germany, it's because women from non EU countries are still allowed to work there.Women from NON-EU countries are hardly allowed to work in Germany. But you are right, most WG are from the poorer EU countries as Romania or Bulgaria, or Poland, Hungary, CZ.
HB
Women from NON-EU countries are hardly allowed to work in Germany.
HBYeah, I should've said "non Schengen countries". But you still have a good 30% from outside the EU (mainly from South America these days, non longer from SE Asia). Of course these are or were married to an man from inside the EU otherwise they would not be allowed to work.
Wolvenvacht
09-16-12, 17:21
(snip) nor do you ever accept an e-mail address if she offers it.And why would that be?
Mr Enternational
09-16-12, 22:09
Today, I asked a fairly attractive Asian woman for her phone number and she said I will take her number. I replied,"I will give you my phone number and you can give me yours. She then said she would give me her e-mail address. I told her I don't set up dates with e-mail. She replied," I don't give out my phone number." I replied,"I respect your decision. Have a good day." Never give a woman your phone number without her giving yours nor do you ever accept an e-mail address if she offers it.Actually this is the sanest thing that I have seen Lug write. Fair exchange is no robbery. Everything should be quid pro quo. I give you mine and you give me yours. No exception. None of this one up stuff of you having more info on me than I have on you. If you are expecting an American woman to call you and she hasn't given you her number then you are out of your fucking mind. Maybe 1 time out of 100. And email? Even if it is the right email she will either not answer or answer a couple of times and brush you off or string you along because she has a boyfriend. Just politely decline any one-way exchanges and go about your way.
Not to mention they always have excuses. I just ran into a woman 15 minutes ago that I know and that I have gone out with before but she just said she didn't have my number anymore because she has a new phone and asked why I haven't called her. I told her because I have been waiting for her to call me.
Even my own (ex) wife. The first time I met her and gave her my number she never called. When I saw her a few days later I asked her what had happened and she said that she had lost the number. Then we did a proper exchange. We got married 7 months later.
DJ FourMoney
09-17-12, 02:46
When I read these posts about US women I can't help thinking women in major industrialized countries are hardly any better. Don't forget that if you can get sex eg in Germany, it's because women from non EU countries are still allowed to work there. As sex mongers we should remember to spend some time reading MRA blogs and become active as MRAs (men's rights activists). Feminists are closing in on our lifestyle. If we don't put up a fight soon we will have nothing more to report.Two FFKs (2007) and three women.
One Polish. Terrible.
One Hungarian. Very Nice.
One German. Ideal GFE.
Not all feminist are closing in, some support us. That said MRA is not cohesive IE: Its very White Male and Libertarian, not a good combination for Men of Color IMHO to support. We have different issues with women that can be addressed different ways. I have less problems with White American / Western European Women than the average White man does because I take no sh*t and back it up. I don't bargain or plead with women either, they can take it or leave it.
Then again, I don't date Western women if I can avoid it. They are too old, I want to have children. If you need money or overt game to get a woman, you can count me out.
DJ FourMoney
09-17-12, 02:51
Women from NON-EU countries are hardly allowed to work in Germany. But you are right, most WG are from the poorer EU countries as Romania or Bulgaria, or Poland, Hungary, CZ.
HBHmmm, I did a Bulgarian, Polish and Hungarian while in Germany, does that count as some sort of hat trick?
The Polish was by far the worst."Hurry up and come."
The others "I live to fuck, I'm a nympho" = German girl.
"I love Black Men" = Hungarian (and by far the best looking woman I have ever dated / screwed by a long way.)
The Bulgarian spoke no English what so ever, but it was GFE otherwise.
BrainDrain
09-17-12, 02:59
All this talk about getting a ladies phone number is missing the point.
1. Having a conversation, flirting and chatting comes first, then.
2. Exchanging phone numbers is a sign of the followup.
So, first there has to be the motivation to return calls, make calls and even answer calls, answer emails.
So, we come down to the quality of the pickup line. We need a line that says to the lady that she needs to think about her and yo together. If this qualification is done then the number exchange is meaningful. Where it doesn't come, the lady has already decided to burn you off, even if she does give you her work mobile (instead of her personal cell number).
An opening NLP question that has worked for me is"
"Would a lady like you date a guy like me?"
In the mind this triggers off a series of
Am I looking for a date? Yes / no.
What kind of guy is he? Intrigue / no interest.
What kind of lady like me does he think I am? Intrigue / offense.
When I say it works for me, it catches the ladies that are interested and also, discounts the ones that aren't open to what I'm looking for.
If you have time this autumn, please give it a try 4-5 times and let me know via the forum.
BD
DJ FourMoney
09-17-12, 03:46
In men the body fat % should be from 8-12, in women from 18-25.
Most US bodybuilders ARE too fucking fat because they have in excess of 12% (assuming male bodybuilders). I'm at 14% right now, considered in shape by US standards, still a little bit fat in the rest of the world. A lot of world class bodybuilders and shotputters etc ARE too fucking fat. They may be world class athletes but they're still too fucking fat!
I just shed 20 pounds in 3 weeks in the US, but I did it by being in ketosis for 2 of those weeks. It works, but it's not a good long term strategy, and it has its side effects, it makes you smell horrible, and in my case gave me reflux a couple of nights. But I have no idea how else to NOT gain weight here in the US.
Gaining or losing fat on your body has very little to do with ANYTHING else than body insulin levels. Not even calories really matter that much. If you're SWIMMING in insulin, you can take in 800 calories a day and your body will put on 800 calories worth of fat, and burn muscle tissue for energy! Which is my big beef (sic!) with the American food supply. EVERY last goddamn thing in the supermarket has shit in it that spikes your insulin levels. Even a whole chicken is now injected with a broth containing soybean shit and a nasty witches brew of insulin-supporting garbage! I've been subsisting on eggs and canned fish but the sodium levels are also unacceptable.I lost 35lbs over 3 months, BF is 12% (started at 18. 4%). For your abs to show you need to be 11% of below. I stopped for awhile to save money (yes saving $40 a month matters.) before I take my trip this late winter / spring I will address that by getting it down to 9-10% or less or cutting as its called.
I'd like you to tell these people they are "fucking fat", you won't have any teeth.
Mr Enternational
09-17-12, 09:19
I'd like you to tell these people they are "fucking fat", you won't have any teeth.Where I live chicks love you more if you look like the Buddha.
That said MRA is not cohesive IE: Its very White Male and Libertarian, not a good combination for Men of Color IMHO to support.
Conservative yes, in the sense that if they're Americans, they would be either non-partisan or republican, hardly ever democrat. But white supremacists? That's a myth. The problem is black males think Obama is their friends. He isn't. Look here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y4_ndYL_IM&feature=plcp
You'll find every trend in the MRA movement because all types of men are being victimised. Personaly I often argue on MRA sites against "American divorced fathers" who don't see the connection between feminism and anti-sex legislation (age-of-consent laws, prostitution bans etc.). But expat pussy hunters like us should also get involved in the bigger fight. You can't deny that in any part of the world, opportunities of getting laid are inversely proportional to feminism. The fems are sitting right now to devise ways of preventing men to travel for sex or marry foreign girls. Most of us still manage to get laid and do not expect to be prevented from doing so but I see bad legislation ahead. Pensions will be cut for men who retire in cheap countries (=pussy havens) for example. The drive against prostitution is now led by feminists, with the indictment of the men seeking prostitutes (rather than the prostitutes themselves). Whenever I travel for sex or business these days I carry my MRA leaflets with me. I can think of no better way to kill time in Airports.
Bango Cheito
09-18-12, 07:12
I asked out thirty-four women last week off the street in Manhattan and got four phone numbers. One woman responded and agreed to a date to go with me to the Dream Hotel at the Alva Lounge on Thursday. In addition, I got another phone number today, so I can hedge- a concept which I will discuss extensively in my book. I will text the new woman about a date on Friday and I will mention that my intention is to partake in a sexual interlude with her after the outing at the nightclub. Since the date for Thursday is already set it will be of less consequence if my proposition to the other woman is denied. Darwinism is brutal.I think trying to be sure of the outcome by talking so blatantly about sex before even the first date is bringing your numbers down. If a woman is attracted to you, there is no NEED to say anything, as a matter of fact the more you say the more you run the risk of fucking it up!
And if a woman is interested but not enough, the kind of talk you have to engage in with her to win her over should have NOTHING to do with sex.
AND if she's not interested at all, nothing else you say or do will make a difference!
as a native ny'er i applaud your efforts and your enthusiasm for an otherwise mundane dating scene.
people who get laid in nyc have these things going for them :
1. a social circle. i can't stress this enough. this is nyc and although people like to meet other people they are weary of them. get yourself into a group or some kind of click. someplace where you are introduced to new people through people you already know. date [CodeWord124] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124) and freaky fellows are real in this city. not many girls will feel comfortable being around a strange fellow.
2. have some kind of purpose in life that makes you interesting. ie. you work for peta. your best friend works for russell simmons and you go to all the industry parties. your click of friends are brooklyn hipsters who know where the cool loft parties are on the weekends. value. what value can you bring to the table?
3. money. self explanatory.
4. drop dead good looks and a rebel mentality (good for bklyn bad for manhattan)
* if you need to take a girl out on a date to get laid then you are imo already on the losing end of the deal. guys who get laid don't have to date to get laid! i can't stress this enough. they might go on dates after they get laid but "dating" will not affect their sexual experiences either way. when a girl want to "hang out" with you then you have it made. if she "allows" you to take her on a date she is playing you for a sucker. what kind of a privilege is it to be able to spend money on a woman in hopes of getting sexual favors in return? that's called desperation. throwing "whatever" up against the wall and seeing if it sticks. on your dime.
Loogie:
Your posts are interesting. But I don't have time to read every single one of them, so could you just give us the Cliff's Notes version; have you gotten laid by any of this nonsense that you're doing, or not?
Instead of wasting all this time that you're spending persuing AWs, why don't you just get a second job and then use that money to go on mongering trips abroad? It's hard to understand why any senior member who has traveled abroad would even waste their time with AWs.
I wish I had half the free time you have!
ThatGuy865
09-18-12, 18:36
What I can't understand is what insight would Lug's book be able to provide.
So you hit on every woman in eye sight. Of course. You are bound to get a positive response with one sooner or later.
I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to figure that out. I don't see where you provide any thing than that.
99% of guys do not want to go thru 40 or 50 rejects to get to 1 "Possible" "Maybe" at best. Most don't consider that success.
Now if you can give insight with PROOF. That you can LOWER the rejection rate to something like 1 out of 3 or close to that.
Then you have something to write about.
Such as "Pick up" Artist profess. Otherwise. You just stating plain common sense.
Where I live chicks love you more if you look like the Buddha.Really? Where is that? I have to go there.
H
Carlos3000
09-18-12, 19:14
Loogie:
Your posts are interesting. But I don't have time to read every single one of them, so could you just give us the Cliff's Notes version; have you gotten laid by any of this nonsense that you're doing, or not?
Instead of wasting all this time that you're spending persuing AWs, why don't you just get a second job and then use that money to go on mongering trips abroad? It's hard to understand why any senior member who has traveled abroad would even waste their time with AWs.
I wish I had half the free time you have!I couldn't agree more. It's such a futile effort when you can predict very accurately what the outcome will be. I'm a native new yorker that swore off AW a long time ago after my trip to latin america.
You'll find every trend in the MRA movement because all types of men are being victimised. Personaly I often argue on MRA sites against "American divorced fathers" who don't see the connection between feminism and anti-sex legislation (age-of-consent laws, prostitution bans etc.). But expat pussy hunters like us should also get involved in the bigger fight. You can't deny that in any part of the world, opportunities of getting laid are inversely proportional to feminism. The fems are sitting right now to devise ways of preventing men to travel for sex or marry foreign girls. Most of us still manage to get laid and do not expect to be prevented from doing so but I see bad legislation ahead. Pensions will be cut for men who retire in cheap countries (=pussy havens) for example. The drive against prostitution is now led by feminists, with the indictment of the men seeking prostitutes (rather than the prostitutes themselves). Whenever I travel for sex or business these days I carry my MRA leaflets with me. I can think of no better way to kill time in Airports.[/QUOTE]
I think it's more complex than feminism. In Sweden, where feminism is strong, people get laid much more often, and nudity is much more prevalent than USA / UK. It goes to our peculiar brand of conservative social norms, in conjunction with old-time Chivalry, fat chick population, and lack of traveling, etc. There are many turds in the zeitergeits of USA culture that can't be replicated, in toto, in any other society.
Bango Cheito
09-26-12, 05:10
The Colombian woman texted me while I was in the movie theater, just two hours after meeting me. I was going to hedge the liaison with her by setting up an outing at the museum for next Sunday and refrain from any concupiscent overtures until the second date, if indeed she did agree to a second date. However, due to the fact that she texted and rather quickly at that I am going to change my game plan. I texted her for a date at Persepolis. I rarely ever get a woman to send the initial text, so for her forthrightness I am going treat her to a fine meal at a nice restaurant and then I am going to ask her if she would be interested in partaking in a concupiscent interlude in which I will do my best to satisfy her sexual desires. I am confident that she will except my overtures and if she doesn't then I will have enjoyed a scrumptious dinner with companionship. We can't have everything we want now can we. This is what I live for and prepare for. I am going for it.No need to lie, just say anything is possible at this point, and tell her to win you! :P If she's Colombian there's a good chance she will succeed too!!!
Great Muta
09-30-12, 04:38
The Velvet List on Facebook is an effective way to effectuate sociosexual liaisons. Send out friend requests to women on the list that come up on your page. One can also hedge by sending friend requests to 25% of the friend suggestions that come up on your page and 75% of the women just a message in order to meet for a date. If you can get some to accept your friend request you now have their entire friend's list at your disposal. Your dating pool has now gone viral.I've never tried the velvet list (what is it?) but have always had a terrible time with USA girls on facebook. I've seriously sent out 45 messages to random girls in one day and not gotten a single response. I'm not old or bad looking by the way, but looking for girls on facebook these days is impossible. I blame the whole "creepy stalker" thing which is stupid because random guys at bars are totally 100% more dangerous.
I've actually given up on USA dating.Too much work for too few rewards.
ThatGuy865
09-30-12, 16:56
I've never tried the velvet list (what is it?) but have always had a terrible time with USA girls on facebook. I've seriously sent out 45 messages to random girls in one day and not gotten a single response. I'm not old or bad looking by the way, but looking for girls on facebook these days is impossible. I blame the whole "creepy stalker" thing which is stupid because random guys at bars are totally 100% more dangerous.
I've actually given up on USA dating. Too much work for too few rewards.In today's social makeup. It is definitely harder for the average guy to succeed with the "above avg" woman. 6+ and above. You have to think from their perspective.
6+ women are approached by guys (wealthy to poor). In person and social media. Their available choices have quadrupled. So now the "6" in a small town. Who in the pass, was only approach was limited to the local guys. Now gets Friends request from."wealthy" Ted from the big city. Who will fly her out, wine and dine her to get into the panties. Show her a night (no one or only a few) in her area can.
Just as you send out Friends request. So has the guy who lives in "bum fuck" Idaho. But with money to burn. Before FB he had to choose from his locals. Especially if he was not the "Rico swavvay" kinda guy. But now he can send FR to 6+ girls everywhere. With offers of weekend rendezvous to nice hotels on the beach. They even have that one site."Sugar Daddys". Just for these kind of guys. So if a woman is really the type who is going to respond to a FB approach. These are the type of guys and type of dates "Most" expect. So when they check out your site to decide whether to accept or not. It should reflect that.
But all in all. Social media has given 6+ women access to more guys willing to lavish them with dates and gifts. Its about the same as Guys going abroad for women. Only difference AW don't have to go abroad. Because. There is a large supply of men in the USA willing to lavish them. Social media just gave them a means of contact. So now there is a larger segment of 6+ women who don't even consider guys who don't treat them in this manner. Making the available pool of 6+ who will smaller and tougher to find for the average guy.
I too have changed my views on the matter. And can see why guys consider women outside of the USA. But I think much can be blamed on the USA culture itself. Where people put more value in "material" wealth than value in family. So women grow up with a "what can you do for me" attitude.
Bango Cheito
10-01-12, 03:51
I do really miss the old days. Back in the day before cell phones and the internet, if you were travelling or if she was travelling (or both of you) it was understood that a one night stand started and ended there. Now there's a whole bunch of expectations that you'll keep in touch and you can never move on. And people talked with each other because they REALLY wanted to, because reaching out to somebody else took more than zero effort, now people just talk with each other in a vain attempt to kill the boredom.
Mr Enternational
10-01-12, 04:40
I do really miss the old days. Back in the day before cell phones and the internet, if you were travelling or if she was travelling (or both of you) it was understood that a one night stand started and ended there. Now there's a whole bunch of expectations that you'll keep in touch and you can never move on. And people talked with each other because they REALLY wanted to, because reaching out to somebody else took more than zero effort, now people just talk with each other in a vain attempt to kill the boredom.Well in my "old" days before cell phones and the internet there was the chat line. 976-GABB. It cost but I always had a hookup. Back in those days calling card numbers would circulate and if that didn't work you could always stick a safety pin into the mouthpiece of a pay phone and rub it on the silver part of the main box and voila, free call. It was always understood when you met one of those girls in person that fucking was mandatory. The internet became more widespread a few years after, giving way to chat rooms. These days if you bag a chicks number they never tell you to call. It's always "send me a text." WTF?
HectorSanchez
10-01-12, 05:59
My opinion on american women is that they need security and want to get married and have kids. I came across with a few women who were trying to tell me no sex before marriage. LOL. And some wanted to fuck without condom and get kids asap. Its dangerous game out there for guys who don't understand american women thinkings. And the WOMEN worry about feminist rights and always talk about how men abuse women.
Nobody has ever raised questions about how manipulative these women can be. Guys get trapped badly and pay hefty penalty to get out including divorce settlement, child support when they did not wanted kids. Not to mention these once pretty chicks turn fat after marriage and don't want sex anymore.
Not to mention these once pretty chicks turn fat after marriage and don't want sex anymore.This is the real issue and all that other shit is just noise.
Carlos3000
10-01-12, 17:23
I've never tried the velvet list (what is it?) but have always had a terrible time with USA girls on facebook. I've seriously sent out 45 messages to random girls in one day and not gotten a single response. I'm not old or bad looking by the way, but looking for girls on facebook these days is impossible. I blame the whole "creepy stalker" thing which is stupid because random guys at bars are totally 100% more dangerous.
I've actually given up on USA dating. Too much work for too few rewards.Dating in the USA has very few rewards period. In New York unless you are a rich banker, business man, play for a major sports organization or have killer good looks, the average pretty girls (5) is out of your reach. They will allow you to spend lots of money on them and string you along but you may not even get to first base.
That is why, with AW, on the third date I always talk about the hereafter. If you're not here after what I'm here after, you're going to be here after I'm gone.
Bango Cheito
10-02-12, 08:12
really. one of my former students organizes parties in nyc. he invited me to a party in brooklyn last saturday and there were nineteen-year old guys with 18-year old girls with model looks up against the wall practically [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) them and the only money they spent was the twenty dollar cover charge. none of them were investment bankers or famous sports stars. i was the only guy in there dressed like an investment banker, ralph lauren casual wear, and the only looks i was getting from women, other than alumni that know me, were ones of perplexity.ironically the poorer the neighborhood the less they care about money and the more it's all just about looks :p
Before I developed a social conscience, I used to go to bars in the western US and fuck drunk Indian women. Now that I have developed a social conscience, I go to bars in the western US and fuck drunk Native American women. I don't notice a big difference.
KingForKing
10-15-12, 10:25
Dating in the USA has very few rewards period. In New York unless you are a rich banker, business man, play for a major sports organization or have killer good looks, the average pretty girls (5) is out of your reach. They will allow you to spend lots of money on them and string you along but you may not even get to first base.Question is why do you American men put up with that shit?
Is it because most American women are lard assed, fat monstrosities and there are too few hard bodies to go around?
Or, sorry to say this, American men are pussies and let women dictate terms?
I am in Asia. 58 years old, while not bad looking (certainly can't be described as being good looking by any stretch of the imagination). Only yesterday, I saw this cute little, barely nineteen year old, waitress at this fast food place. Smile, chat and few hours later. There she was bent across my sofa moaning "please don't stop".
Ask yourselves, why does this not happen in America? Who is stopping the American men?
Mr Enternational
10-15-12, 17:45
Question is why do you American men put up with that shit? Is it because most American women are lard assed, fat monstrosities and there are too few hard bodies to go around?It's funny how I constantly read derogatory comments on this board about the physical appearance of American women, yet no matter what country I go to on this planet the local women are always in awe of how beautiful American women are and don't think of themselves the same way as you guys rave about them.
no matter what country I go to on this planet the local women are always in awe of how beautiful American women areHum. Really? Never heard such thing in Former Soviet Union or in East Europe. (rolleyes)
KingForKing
10-15-12, 18:55
It's funny how I constantly read derogatory comments on this board about the physical appearance of American women, yet no matter what country I go to on this planet the local women are always in awe of how beautiful American women are and don't think of themselves the same way as you guys rave about them.With respect, you misunderstand me Mr Enternational.
It is not my point that there is NO American woman who is good looking. Far from it. As in any country USA has its fair share of good looking women (but IMHO, certainly no more than in Asia, where I live or as others may claim with justification, in South America or in Africa or wherever).
My point is that so many American men complain on this board that women in USA are manipulative, they trap men into marital servitude, deny husbands sex in marriage unless the husbands stand on their hind legs and beg for it; and if they are unmarried, get men to spend money on them, string them along and not let them get to first base etc.
Man up for god sake! Why do you put up with that crap? That is my point.
For starters, you American men can slam down whenever you hear your women say they are "putting out" or that they "give sex" to men. How ugly is that? Sex is something beautiful to be shared equally between two consenting adults. It is not something to be dished out by one high and mighty partner to another, undeserving pussy.
who is stopping the american men?sexual harassment and date [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) laws,"john tv," and civil lawsuits are high on the list.
It's funny how I constantly read derogatory comments on this board about the physical appearance of American women, yet no matter what country I go to on this planet the local women are always in awe of how beautiful American women are and don't think of themselves the same way as you guys rave about them.Duh. They see the American women who are attractive enough to be in the media, and only those women. Double duh.
Mr Enternational
10-16-12, 03:24
Duh. They see the American women who are attractive enough to be in the media, and only those women. Double duh.Since when does media=beautiful / slim / or whatever you find attractive? If I could just say one word, "Oprah." You act as if American women don't travel everyday to where these people live or that some of them have never traveled to the USA. Triple duh.
"It's nothing new that public figures, even minor ones like local newscasters, get critical emails. It comes as no surprise to me, then, that a morning news anchor in Lacrosse, Wisconsin, recently received one telling her she was not fit to be a role model to young girls. Why? Jennifer Livingston, the anchor in question, is fat.
The email she received, while ostensibly concerned with Livingston's "community responsibility" to her viewers, reads as little more than an effort to shame a fat woman who dares to appear in public."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/03/jennifer-livingston-newscaster-fightback-bully
KingForKing
10-16-12, 05:17
Since when does media=beautiful / slim / or whatever you find attractive? If I could just say one word,"Oprah." You act as if American women don't travel everyday to where these people live or that some of them have never traveled to the USA. Triple duh.
"It's nothing new that public figures, even minor ones like local newscasters, get critical emails. It comes as no surprise to me, then, that a morning news anchor in Lacrosse, Wisconsin, recently received one telling her she was not fit to be a role model to young girls. Why? Jennifer Livingston, the anchor in question, is fat.
The email she received, while ostensibly concerned with Livingston's "community responsibility" to her viewers, reads as little more than an effort to shame a fat woman who dares to appear in public."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/03/jennifer-livingston-newscaster-fightback-bullyMr. Enternational your argument is a classic case of ignoratio elenchi. Or simply put, attacking what the other fellow never said.
When did Dickhead say that only women in American media are beautiful? He was merely pointing out that women in other countries are more likely to have American celebrities as their point of reference when talking about beautiful AW. Surely, a reasonable proposition?
After mischaracterising what Dickhead said (you are making a habit of this Mr. Enternational. Refer also to your earlier mischaracterisation of my comments) you then jump to some crackpot's email about how fat women should not appear in public as if this was the argument any of us were mounting!
Now read again what YOU wrote:
"no matter what country I go to on this planet" . ANY country on earth?
"the local women are always in awe". ALWAYS that is. 100% of the time?
"of how beautiful American women are". ALL American women?
"and don't think of themselves the same way as you guys rave about them". That is, NONE of the women, in ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, think of themselves as beautiful when compared to ANY American woman?
Are you capable of lucid thought Mr. Enternational? Or, are you a closet femnazi?
Bango Cheito
10-17-12, 06:31
Here in Colombia usually a Colombian woman will tell you Scandinavian women are the most beautiful in the world, or otherwise Colombians or Venezuelans are. NOBODY thinks AW are beautiful here.
If you talk about what country has the hottest women, you need to set some parameters. The highest average "hotness" score? The most 10s on the one to ten scale? I don't think you get the same answer.
It's useful to examine alternatives to the traditional 1-10 scale. I will offer two such alternatives. One is the Hillbilly Scale and the other is the Budweiser Scale. The HS runs from 0 to 5 and is as follows. A 0 is a woman you would not fuck or eat. A 1 is a woman you would fuck but not eat. A 2 is a woman you would fuck or eat. A 3 is a woman you would eat and then fuck. A 4 is a woman you would fuck and then eat, and a 5 is a woman you would eat after your buddy just fucked her. Now your Budweiser Scale (BS) is entirely different: how many Clydesdales it would take to drag her off my face.
Unfortunately the two scales are not directly comparable; hence, the debate rages on.
Naked Gunz
11-08-12, 13:44
The lights are dim and the Sambo music is playing in the background.It's actually SamBA music amigo.
Mr Enternational
11-08-12, 17:30
I thought this was a thread on AMERICAN Women? Can we get back on topic please? ROFLMAO. Sambo music? WTF?
Hey when did this become Lugalzaggizi's blog? Seriously dude I think you're mistaken.
Hi guys,
Reading the Game by Neil Strauss. And its seems to me that becoming a successfull pua or to monger will require more or less the same amount of money and time. And the result will be pretty much the same. Both in terms of quality and quantity. I know it might be more noble to pick up a woman (freebie) but on the other hand if you go have to go thru such a huge tranformation just to get laid (which is the ultimate goal) then mongering might be an alternative, after all.
What are your thoughts?
Jelly Donut
11-11-12, 19:31
What are your thoughts?I have some thoughts, but they are not entirely built out.
You would gain more in a workshop on say "The Fundamentals of Wooden Boatbuilding" on how to pick up women than in Pick Up Artist (PUA) Workshops. That is, if you did something with your time that seemed interesting, physical and handy, you would have something charming and magnetic to contribute. Of course, taking a weekend workshop is the stuff of a dilettante. In my opinion, women are attracted to men who demonstrate a real commitment to the things they love. The guy that loves football and watches it all Sunday is one thing, a professional player is what I am talking about. Being an exceptionally good yoga instructor is an 'easy' way to meet women, but it takes years of dedication and a certain style. It's almost pointless to measure the costs of going down this path, it's very costly to become good at something and, if part of your plan is to attract women, you need to pick something that both fits you and serves that goal. In other words, you might be an exceptional accountant, but unfortunately those skills probably are not going to bring you to the attention of many attractive young women; you need to find a second passion.
The cost of being a good sex tourist is fairly high, too. In order to optimize results, you often have to learn a foriegn language. For most folks, that is a significant commitment in time and resources. And there are other costs as well. Of course, since you are posting here, I'm sure you understand I think these costs and the benefits profile way better than PUA methods. For me age is a factor. In my twenties I never would have seriously considered traveling in order to find women, there was no point. As I got older, in my thirties, I found I had to start thinking more about how I was going to attract women; I worked some of the ideas I suggested above. That worked out. But, getting older, I feel like the ISG path offers 'better optimization' of my time. Basically, as you get older, the economics of this route make more sense.
Bango Cheito
11-26-12, 01:24
Dude, seriously, what you do if you don't have money for a hotel is you fuck her in the bathroom somewhere. :P.
And as for your method, I think the big problem with it is that the success rate is always going to be low with random women. You can't just go around and see a woman you like and expect success, the odds of that happening are akin to being struck by lightning. The attraction has to be MUTUAL. And the woman has to like you and notice you FIRST, or she's not going to have any interest.
It is possible to win a woman over if there is no inicial interest, but to do so you have to work your ass off and invest not only money but significant time and energy over a period of weeks or even months or more, and the relationship never really has the same quality as one that is based on mutual attraction.
If you're looking for sex quickly you can either 1) approach women ONLY after being given some sort of a signal by them 2) pay for it.
WestCoast1
11-26-12, 02:20
Lugz: You've got almost the last 3 pages of this thread with only your posts. You're responding to yourself!
BC: Glad that somebody's Listening to him!
Dude, seriously, what you do if you don't have money for a hotel is you fuck her in the bathroom somewhere. :P.
And as for your method, I think the big problem with it is that the success rate is always going to be low with random women. You can't just go around and see a woman you like and expect success, the odds of that happening are akin to being struck by lightning. The attraction has to be MUTUAL. And the woman has to like you and notice you FIRST, or she's not going to have any interest.
It is possible to win a woman over if there is no inicial interest, but to do so you have to work your ass off and invest not only money but significant time and energy over a period of weeks or even months or more, and the relationship never really has the same quality as one that is based on mutual attraction.
If you're looking for sex quickly you can either 1) approach women ONLY after being given some sort of a signal by them 2) pay for it.I completely agree with you BC. Also might I add, the easiest sex you will ever get is college sex, after college the degree of difficulty in accessing easy sex increases considerably.
Mr Enternational
11-30-12, 23:59
I completely agree with you BC. Also might I add, the easiest sex you will ever get is college sex, after college the degree of difficulty in accessing easy sex increases considerably.Speak for youself. I went to an all male college!
Naked Gunz
12-01-12, 03:55
Just look at some of the lines and deliveries that were being used by guys at party last night and they were doing a hell of a lot better than I, albeit I did effectuate interest in one woman. They are tw.What a verbose motherf#$cker. Dude, the strength of a forum is in the differences of opinions. Not in the force feeding of yours.
Speak for youself. I went to an all male college!Precisely why you know a heck of a lot about the relationship dynamics between male and females in a "normal" (male/female) college environment.................. LOL
I got a phone number from a woman from Russia while I was in the health food store. She said I was quite direct when I told her she was attractive and that I wanted her telephone number. She couldn't respond and I just looked at her and waited for her answer. She asked if I was serious. I told her that I certainly am. She then said it was quite direct and funny. I told her that I get right to the point. I thought to myself if she thinks that is direct wait until she goes on a date with me and direct I will be about having sex with her.Dude, you are the damn man LOL. I'm very bold and direct with woman all the time. I simply play the numbers game. Somebody has to like me if I keep campaigning until I get elected.
Jelly Donut
01-05-13, 20:25
I'm impressed you replied to my post.
An avocation can only take one so far. One needs to have the techniques for meeting women and seducing them. No amount of acounting or woodworking courses or sport expertice will give one those techniques, hence Game and The Pick Up Artist are beneficial readings.That's an interesting observation based on your posting history. Your methodology seems to be classic shotgun, you don't plan the geography out ahead of time; you just fire away if you see something you like, right? How much style comes into play? I'm not hating your strategy here, just pointing out what it is. If you are hunting duck, the shotgun is your best choice. I'm sure some rare women find it curious and original; on the other hand, I imagine a lot of other folks take a much dimmer view.
Anyway, I agree that women generally select on personality and status. To the extent that self help books to improve your personality those books might be beneficial, but if you saw a copy of either of those books on a friends bookshelf, well, it would simply not suggest a strong and assertive personality. Whereas, say, a copy of Popular Mechanics suggests a level of utility, initiative and confidence. A resourceful and confident man will always bank the dollars; you don't find alpha males in the self-help section of the bookstore.
CherchezFemme
01-16-13, 23:18
Only yesterday, I saw this cute little, barely nineteen year old, waitress at this fast food place. Smile, chat and few hours later. There she was bent across my sofa moaning "please don't stop".Freebie or paid?
CherchezFemme
01-16-13, 23:29
Now your Budweiser Scale (BS) is entirely different: how many Clydesdales it would take to drag her off my faceI like your idea of the Budweiser Scale, very innovative. Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
CherchezFemme
01-16-13, 23:33
Dating in the USA has very few rewards period. In New York unless you are a rich banker, business man, play for a major sports organization or have killer good looks, the average pretty girls (5) is out of your reach. They will allow you to spend lots of money on them and string you along but you may not even get to first base.Yeah it's tough. Everyone's too busy and everyone thinks they can do better. Only girls I've dated lately have been through POF except for one Russian girl that I met in a Russian club and I never heard back from her after the first date.
CherchezFemme
01-16-13, 23:44
I think more and more guys are waking up to how messed up the dating situation is here in the US. So they're only a few years behind most members of this forum LOL.
Spending money on women is weak and ineffective, it places men into a provider / beta role instead of guy she will bang role.
The trend today, especially among young people, is that there are fewer and fewer traditional dates. It's hooking up at a bar / club or approaching girls online through Facebook, and inviting them over to your place to "watch a movie". I think it's a carryover from college dating (and I'm sure the economy influences this as well).
The better-looking the guy is, the more this holds true.
With older guys, 30+, like me, they are learning that a traditional dinner date is useless and a waste of money. Either meet for coffee and go from there or take 'em to a dive bar and try to get them drunk asap.
My FB I met on POF didn't even have a date, she came over and we banged right away.
This, is why marriage in North America is not the best alternative. $12K PER MONTH! For many women in FSU, that would be enough for the entire year! She could take care of your children and have as much sex with you as you want. You could support 12 such women for the price it takes to support ONE in North America. Not only that, she would look deliciously beautiful, sexy and feminine at least until she is 40. Actually, the two factors are related. They HAVE to keep themselves looking good to make sure you keep them around and not trade them for someone younger so easily. It is the gravy train of marriage and the equal division of assets that ruined the women in North America.
So, yes, as long as you can resist the urge of a family (and yes, men have a biological clock too) , it is better to just date, or better yet, just hook-up as the kids say.
I think more and more guys are waking up to how messed up the dating situation is here in the US. So they're only a few years behind most members of this forum LOL.
Spending money on women is weak and ineffective, it places men into a provider / beta role instead of guy she will bang role.
The trend today, especially among young people, is that there are fewer and fewer traditional dates. It's hooking up at a bar / club or approaching girls online through Facebook, and inviting them over to your place to "watch a movie". I think it's a carryover from college dating (and I'm sure the economy influences this as well).
The better-looking the guy is, the more this holds true.
With older guys. 30+, like me, they are learning that a traditional dinner date is useless and a waste of money. Either meet for coffee and go from there or take 'them to a dive bar and try to get them drunk asap.
My FB I met on POF didn't even have a date, she came over and we banged right away.
Lugz: You've got almost the last 3 pages of this thread with only your posts. You're responding to yourself!
BC: Glad that somebody's Listening to him!What happened to this thread?
I have gone through 8 pages to find only few posts on the subject.
Can be Lugz's posts be moved to a separate blog about dates?
Cartagena Tout
02-11-13, 05:29
What happened to this thread?
I have gone through 8 pages to find only few posts on the subject.
Can be Lugz's posts be moved to a separate blog about dates?American women are great unless you are married. Then anywhere over the border is the safest choice. I'm meeting a Medellin paisa in Cartagena this week. Haha. Leave tomorrow!
What happened to this thread?
I have gone through 8 pages to find only few posts on the subject.
Can be Lugz's posts be moved to a separate blog about dates?Yeah, I think Loogies is writing a book. He should probably get his own thread,"Loogies in NYC".
Anyway, this thread has died because this topic has died. What else is there to say?
BTW, for those of you looking for AWs, here's a tip. I went to a hotel restaurant the other day to meet someone for lunch, but I had arrived early and so I was just wandering around the hotel to kill some time. It so happened that there was a "career fair" going on in one of the conference rooms at the hotel. This is where companies come and set up a booth to meet with potential hires. So anyway, I was just walking around this career fair and I noticed that there were many young, hot looking AWs. I was surprised at the quality, to be honest. Some of them were dressed quite slutty, so I'm not sure what kind of job they were looking for exactly, or perhaps they wanted to hook up with a hiring manager. I overheard some of them complain about how hard it is to get a job nowadays, and that they were desperate for work. So, this may be a good place to go to find some AWs if you're stuck in America; just check out your local newspaper for any job fairs in the area!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CYb5xSd4PRs
From the comments to the video:
" I'm a female, and seeing this done to my father by my mother, have seen first hand how this messes with a man. My father wanted to marry my mother, but she wanted his child support check. She said "no thank you." My mother used those checks to buy drugs. I was neglected and abused by my mother, taken from her and became a ward of the state. I was in the care of the state for 3 years. My father was paying child support, to my mother for three years while I was not even in her care."
Wow! Some men will never learn.
It's the divorce that could split up control of America's fastest growing oil company and lead to a record-breaking paycheck for the wife who claims her husband cheated. Harold Hamm. 67, who ranks No. 35 on Forbes' list of richest Americans, is a self-made man worth more than $11 billion.
Sue Ann Hamm. 56, Harold's second wife, filed for divorce on May 19, 2012, claiming that she discovered he was having an affair in 2010, eventually prompting her to end their nearly 25-year marriage.Http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/hamm-divorce-could-most-expensive-time-191806531--abc-news-topstories.html
Naked Gunz
03-25-13, 10:45
"My father was paying child support, to my mother for three years while I was not even in her care."
Sounds like a great reason for homicide.
You could support 12 such women for the price it takes to support ONE in North America. Not only that, she would look deliciously beautiful, sexy and feminine at least until she is 40. Actually, the two factors are related. They HAVE to keep themselves looking good to make sure you keep them around and not trade them for someone younger so easily. It is the gravy train of marriage and the equal division of assets that ruined the women in North America.
So, yes, as long as you can resist the urge of a family (and yes, men have a biological clock too) , it is better to just date, or better yet, just hook-up as the kids say.Well said, Stevie. I have resisted this urge my entire life and am now 57 and a frequent flyer to PI, Viet Nam, occasionally Carribean, Thailand and Cambodia. The only women I see in US now are P4P because the rest of them are way too much trouble, fat and selfish. It seems to me they want to be in charge of everything. Some make good bosses but most are ruled by their emotions. In their forties they all start to fall apart physically and after that they become menopausal psychotics. All of my married buddies are jealous as hell of me and take every chance to come visit my bachelor pad / man cave as a sanctuary of masculine freedom (football artifacts, centerfold pictues, rock music, manly art and decor, smoking and drinking, and pissing in the back yard). Not to mention the photos of my international twenty-something scantily clad girlfriends with trim tummies, firm boobs and little heart-shaped asses.
I've got sweet asian honeys in Manila, Cebu, Angeles City, Ho Chi Minh, Bangkok, Jakarta and Kuala Lumpur. And sexy busty latina chica / tica / dominica / novias. Who cater to my every whim and wham bam thank you ma'am for a fraction of the price and hassle. So I will continue with my occasional bouts of American loneliness and plan for my next escape out sex prison USA. I plan on retiring in PI in less than 10 years and might consider marriage there then but certainly keep bachelorhood as an option.
In previous centuries and cultures the women had to pay the man to marry them. It was called a dowry and it existed for good reason: a man has to give up everything when he gets married. He gives up his money, his home, his freedom and even sex, eventually. What a price to pay. To me, it is not worth it, especially in the states.
Happy horndogging, my internet friends. Our hobby may well be the last statement of our manhood!
Not only are these b!tches fat but they can't take a joke:
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22962445/target-apologizes-label-plus-size-dress
"Manatee Gray." I love it. It kind of reminds me of how some fat women wear those shapeless and colorless dresses and then they look like they just got dumped out of a vacuum cleaner bag. Like a huge dust bunny. Or, they wear those shapeless brownish sweaters that make them look like a bag of half melted caramels.
You know how there is that one spot in the middle of your back you can't quite reach with the soap? Well, these fat chicks have that one spot in the middle of their butt they can't quite reach with the toilet paper. Does the term "angelberry" mean anything to you?
"Dude, that gal you fucked last night was FAT!"
"Yeah, but the gal YOU fucked last week was MANATEE fat!"
Naked Gunz
04-10-13, 09:17
. I have resisted this urge my entire life
Happy horndogging, my internet friends. Our hobby may well be the last statement of our manhood!Your right. I don't know what I was thinking twenty-years ago when I got married. Sure she had big tits and a decent dispostion, but soon after we got married she was not cooking, or cleaning and asleep by six at night. She gave me a son- that's GAY! Collected thousands in child support after I got rid of her. Marriage and kids are WAAY overrated!
I finally got a job that keeps me OUT of the USA in 2005. Thailand, PI, Africa ect. You know the drill. I only wish I could get that money back that I wasted trying to be married. Thanks for letting me vent.
Your right. I don't know what I was thinking twenty-years ago when I got married. Sure she had big tits and a decent dispostion, but soon after we got married she was not cooking, or cleaning and asleep by six at night. She gave me a son- that's GAY! Collected thousands in child support after I got rid of her. Marriage and kids are WAAY overrated!
I finally got a job that keeps me OUT of the USA in 2005. Thailand, PI, Africa ect. You know the drill. I only wish I could get that money back that I wasted trying to be married. Thanks for letting me vent.I am currently going thru this! LOL
NG, that could've easily been me. At least you got out of it and on with your life. Enjoy!
Your right. I don't know what I was thinking twenty-years ago when I got married. Sure she had big tits and a decent dispostion, but soon after we got married she was not cooking, or cleaning and asleep by six at night. She gave me a son- that's GAY! Collected thousands in child support after I got rid of her. Marriage and kids are WAAY overrated!
I finally got a job that keeps me OUT of the USA in 2005. Thailand, PI, Africa ect. You know the drill. I only wish I could get that money back that I wasted trying to be married. Thanks for letting me vent.
Jon, the only antidote is getting laid on a regular basis by beautiful, inexpensive, foreign women. Big boobs all the better!
I am currently going thru this! LOL
PunterWanderer
04-12-13, 22:46
I was surfing on the forums and I finally found this funny thread. Even if it seems to be sometimes a sort monologue.
When I was a student in Venice (not so many) years ago, I can remember that the american girls were the most wild, drunk and sexually hungry among the tourists!
I remember to have read not so many time ago about a couple of american tourists caught during a sexual intercourse in the middle of the Piazza di Santa Croce, more or less in front of the famous basilica.
Just to laughs, I tell to you fellow mongers this story happened to me some years ago. I knew this american girl visiting Europe, she was a sort of iron maiden, becuase she told to me that she wanted to get pure for marriage. In a nutshell, after I paid marked attention to her for days, thanksfully a lot of drinks she decided to gave me her a*s (not the tightest I've seen in my life, moreover). So, I has been a lucky guy, but it seemed to me a sort of ancestral way of thinking by her. I mean, it seems to me much more related with some backward tradition than with the first economical power of the world.
But after reading this thread, US are shown as a sort of sex cage. Maybe after the marriage, I don't know.
I was surfing on the forums and I finally found this funny thread. Even if it seems to be sometimes a sort monologue.
When I was a student in Venice (not so many) years ago, I can remember that the american girls were the most wild, drunk and sexually hungry among the tourists!
I remember to have read not so many time ago about a couple of american tourists caught during a sexual intercourse in the middle of the Piazza di Santa Croce, more or less in front of the famous basilica.
Just to laughs, I tell to you fellow mongers this story happened to me some years ago. I knew this american girl visiting Europe, she was a sort of iron maiden, becuase she told to me that she wanted to get pure for marriage. In a nutshell, after I paid marked attention to her for days, thanksfully a lot of drinks she decided to gave me her a*s (not the tightest I've seen in my life, moreover). So, I has been a lucky guy, but it seemed to me a sort of ancestral way of thinking by her. I mean, it seems to me much more related with some backward tradition than with the first economical power of the world.
But after reading this thread, US are shown as a sort of sex cage. Maybe after the marriage, I don't know.It's a well know fact among European men that HS / college age American Women tourists are the easiest to get laid. While stateside (U. S) they act like their pussies are made of GOLD.
Mr Enternational
04-14-13, 04:24
It's a well know fact among European men that HS / college age American Women tourists are the easiest to get laid. While stateside (U. S) they act like their pussies are made of GOLD.It's only because of the accent dude. I used to fuck European women on that same account.
Black American woman throws her baby aside so she can fight another crazy woman. Now you can understand what most American men are up against.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siaonV7o_cU
Bango Cheito
04-15-13, 09:13
Dude, that's a Boricua.
Dude, that's a Boricua.My bad, she looked Black mixed with something else. Here's a small inkling of what Black American males have to put up with on daily basis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHV4fBQgupI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiJ7lUApqJo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiREW6cubKc
Gentleman Travel
05-02-13, 16:51
It's a well know fact among European men that HS / college age American Women tourists are the easiest to get laid. While stateside (U. S) they act like their pussies are made of GOLD.I agree that there is some kind of schitzo thing that sometimes goes on, they behave completely different when away than at home.
But I think there is also a post-feminist thing going on with the younger women, the "Girls Gone Wild" generation. Now, mostly those women are not available to us older guys, but there is a sub-sector that is.
I have tried "sponsoring" local co-eds from time to time, usually with mediocre results.
But recently the market seemed to heat up and my recent campaign generated some really good leads.
I don't know if it's the economy or if girls are tired of banging guys their own age and getting nothing for it (like a relationship or even simple respect).
So now I have a regular 25 year old big-breasted GF who does EVERYTHING and ANYTHING I want for about $1000 per month.
Sure I could use escorts for the same rate, but my experience with them is mixed, and this girl does everything (COF, swallowing, bareback, etc) , including very much GFE and being my arm candy, and no clock.
She is just like a lot of women I have met in Russian / Ukraine (in beauty and sexuality) and it is a hell of lot cheaper and easier to sponsor her than to travel thousands of miles to spend as much in incentives for EE women!
So don't give up on the domestic market entirely, just look for the right opportunities!
So now I have a regular 25 year old big-breasted GF who does EVERYTHING and ANYTHING I want for about $1000 per month.Do you pay her at the end of the month or every week? Aren't you concerned that she could hustle you at some point? I am sure she knows a lot about you by now. Was this done through a sugar daddy site?
He says he gives her 'about' $1, 000 so my guess is he pays her rent and maybe some bills. That way she can pretend she is not a prostitute.
Mr Enternational
05-02-13, 21:49
I agree that there is some kind of schitzo thing that sometimes goes on, they behave completely different when away than at home.I would assert that most men are the same as well. How many of you act the same at home as you do when you are off in mongerland?
I didn't know whether to put this in American Women or Morality of Prostitution but I hate it when this happens:
http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/boy-14-hires-prostitute-gets-piggy-bank-stolen
I don't know what is wrong with America's youth. I did not hire my first prostitute until I was fifteen. But there was no internet.
Angus Magee
05-04-13, 17:00
I didn't know whether to put this in American Women or Morality of Prostitution but I hate it when this happens:
http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/boy-14-hires-prostitute-gets-piggy-bank-stolen
I don't know what is wrong with America's youth. I did not hire my first prostitute until I was fifteen. But there was no internet.The kid is well on his way to being world class monger. Not that he does not have a bit to learn but, hey, have we not all been ripped of from time to time in this hobby?
Best part of the story IMO is when the 'ho got busted when she turned on the iPad. Have not people figured out yet that those things are traceable?
AM
But recently the market seemed to heat up and my recent campaign generated some really good leads.
I don't know if it's the economy or if girls are tired of banging guys their own age and getting nothing for it (like a relationship or even simple respect).Interesting that you mention this GT. I don't know what it is, but the last few months for me has been a significant turn in my hometown sex life. I hang around clubs frequented by EE's and something is very different. I can actually feel the poverty now among the foreign men in the nightclubs. Young guys show up on these dance floors with t-shirts washed dozens of times and worn shoes. The fresh "just arrived" babysitters from Poland can quickly see the "nothingness" of these prospects.
I must be one of the few guys out there that actually hopes the economy gets worse. I now have a 28 year old girlfriend which I thought would be impossible for me last year. Maybe I can get a 22 year old if we go into a depression. (smiley)
GeoffreyFirmin
05-05-13, 10:32
I have done everyone a favor by taking a hiatus from posting in the American Women forum on account I was immersed in preparation for trips to Poland and India.Well, here's the thing: this is an Opinions section, not a reports section. There's a US-only sister site if you want to regale them with stories of skeeving out women while rollerblading around Manhattan like a nudnik.
I imagine you as the "Mi Scusi" guy from the movie Eurotrip.
Gentleman Travel
05-07-13, 15:57
Do you pay her at the end of the month or every week? Aren't you concerned that she could hustle you at some point? I am sure she knows a lot about you by now. Was this done through a sugar daddy site?Actually I pay her $200 per meeting, which might be a couple of hours, or overnight.
Initially I thought she would want it monthly or coinciding with her rent, like Dickhead suggests, so she could pretend it isn't prostitution, but this per meeting thing seemed to work best for both of us and it certainly keeps up the incentive on her end to be available.
The thing is, and this is the reason I posted this in the first place, I don't think that she is really doing this for the money. Sure, she wouldn't do it for nothing, but she has a decent job and is an M. A. Student and is not really hard up financially. Not enough to go sucking old guys dicks for $200. Sure that is the same as a pro charges. But a pro is making that 5 or 10 times per day, so it really adds up. But this girl is essentially whoring herself for $200 per week. Not really a lot in scheme of life. But this is not unique, I have had other girls like this.
So my theory is that they (certain college girls) enjoy the thought of turning "pro", and selling their ass, but it is not really about the money, it is about being a "bad girl". This girl likes it the more I ask her to submit to me. Like taking it in her face or licking my dick off after I've screwed her. A real pro would charge for these extras. This girl (and others I've had) WANT to do the extras.
About your other question. No I'm not afraid of being hustled. For a start what we are doing is not illegal in Canada. And I decided long ago that if my wife finds out about my extra-marital fun, well that's how it ends (the marriage, not the fun). And I made this clear to the girl, that while I am discrete about screwing around, I am not afraid of exposure, and maybe it would be for the best in the long run. You can only be blackmailed if you are afraid of exposure.
No not a Sugar Baby site, although I have met a few potentials that way through Ashley Madison. This girl was from a "Sexy Student Scholarship" ad I placed on Craigslist. Pretty long odds to hit the jackpot on CL, given all the crap on there!
Naked Gunz
05-08-13, 23:09
Actually I pay her $200 per meeting, which might be a couple of hours, or overnight.
This girl was from a "Sexy Student Scholarship" ad I placed on Craigslist. Pretty long odds to hit the jackpot on CL, given all the crap on there!Sexy Student Scholarship, wow great idea! Though I would be a little scared of attracting LE attention.
Have you tried Backpage? Since I am always on the road 200 per session is too high because I can get cheap ass where I am.
But after my divorce and my dealings with AW. 200 per session is about right just to avoid all the bs from women and trying to get laid in the USA.
Gentleman Travel
05-16-13, 20:06
Sexy Student Scholarship, wow great idea! Though I would be a little scared of attracting LE attention.
Have you tried Backpage? Since I am always on the road 200 per session is too high because I can get cheap ass where I am.
But after my divorce and my dealings with AW. 200 per session is about right just to avoid all the bs from women and trying to get laid in the USA.Where I live Backpage has all the escort ads, but very few "personals".
Craigslist got pushed out of the escort ad business, but has a pretty good mix of "personals", including "casual" which includes some thinly disguised escorts, some kinky stuff and some people just looking for something out of the ordinary (plus a lot of fake BS). I usually try to post my teaser ads in the "normal" M4W section, because the "casual" section is so full of weirdos and dick pics that I expect many girls get turned off.
Naked Gunz
06-09-13, 06:01
He was a dumb ass that got busted!
SavePros321
07-14-13, 05:01
These have been posted before, but I thought it was time for a reboot. The PDF files are attached:
Sexualutopia By F. Roger Devlin
"Nature has played a trick on men: production of spermatozoa occurs at
a rate several orders of magnitude greater than female ovulation (about 12
million per hour vs. 400 per lifetime). This is a natural, not a moral, fact. Among
the lower animals also, the male is grossly oversupplied with something for
which the female has only a limited demand. This means that the female
has far greater control over mating. The universal law of nature is that males
display and females choose. Male peacocks spread their tales, females choose.
Male rams butt horns, females choose. Among humans, boys try to impress
girls—and the girls choose. Nature dictates that in the mating dance, the male
must wait to be chosen..."
And
The Manipulated Man By Esther Vilar
"By the age of twelve at the latest, most women have decided to become prostitutes.
Or, to put it another way they have planned a future for themselves which consists of
choosing a man and letting him do all the work. In return for his support, they are
prepared to let him make use of their vagina at certain given intervals. The minute a
woman has made this decision she ceases to develop her mind. She may, of course, go on to obtain
various degrees and diplomas. These increase her market value in the eyes of men,
for men believe that a woman who can recite things by heart must also know and
understand them. But any real possibility of communication between the sexes
ceases at this point. Their paths are divided forever."
Bango Cheito
07-24-13, 06:48
Very interesting reads both those docs, but I find their theories full of holes.
The first one assumes that the female tendency to select the highest "quality" male is intrinsic instinctual and natural. I find this implausible when the female has tons of internal and subconscious mechanisms for allowing a lot of men to drop their loads inside her and may the best sperm win. In short, I think that women in a natural environment adopt attitudes similar to men in selecting a sexual partner, barring obvious disease or other factors, she was generally willing to do anybody at least once!
What I think has happened has to do with the creation of the tributary society. There are three basic types of human society, Paleolithic (hunter-gatherer, nomadic) , Neolithic (agriculture, stay in one place) and tributary (infrastructure). When you have infrastructure, to build and maintain that infrastructure requires an amount of labor hitherto unknown in the previous types of society. To keep people (especially the males of the species) with their noses to the grindstone, one of the things that happened in most tributary societies was that men were required to look like carbon copies of each other, and had to keep their hair short. In general they were made less distinguishable from one another and uglier. At this point women were forced to choose based on other criteria, e. G. Wealth! The Spartans were notorious for keeping the long hair, they were also notorious for not being big on infrastructure nor wealth (iron bars for currency) NOR on being at ALL monogamous (they lived a swinger lifestyle practically by law.)
In today's world, men, even the most metrosexual of them, don't put even a fraction of the time and effort women do into their appearances. And it SHOWS. And frankly much of what we as men deem as just part of our natural lifestyles is not only unattractive but incredibly unhealthy and makes us old before our time.
The second author vastly overestimates men in many ways. The fact is, while a spoiled housewife's idleness may dull her intellect to the extent she describes, a man's monotonous working routine will DEFINITELY dull it as much or more! It's also interesting that she presents no solution, the whole article is just basically one big ***** session!
Modern America is the perfect example of the ultimate tributary society. We maintain the world's most powerful military, the world's most expensive transportation infrastructure (it's also overly expensive due to the lack of trains) , we built a friggin city of over 2 million people in the middle of the goddamn desert! All of this isn't free; it's paid for over and over by the blood sweat and tears of the American taxpayer. It's paid for in appaling lack of job security, of benefits, and it's paid for in an equally appalling lack of available decent quality pussy. Women don't get off easily either. Most of them are also working their asses off just to survive, and are equally appalled by their dim prospects.
I think that sexual utopia for both men AND women is very much achievable in the human race, but in order to do so, we need a society focused first on our own pleasures and as a distant second on our infrastructure. In general, I think the human race is lost in the electrons, always worrying about external factors and statistics and ignoring our own INTERNAL collective misery.
SavePros321
09-01-13, 15:10
One seller writes 'want to get your boyfriend to pop the question? ', while some buyers are motivated by revenge
PUBLISHED: 16:33 EST. 30 August 2013 | UPDATED: 19:49 EST. 31 August 2013.
A number of women across the country have listed their positive pregnancy tests for sale on Craigslist.
One expectant mother in the Buffalo, New York area is selling her used sticks for $25 each, The Daily Dot reports.
Another New Jersey mom writes: 'want to get your boyfriend to finally pop the question? Play a trick on mom, dad or one of your friends?
Scrolling through the site, there appears to be no shortage of sellers- and many are aware that their customers could be using the tests for dubious reasons.
'I'm pregnant and will sell you my positive pregnancy test for $20, ' one woman on Manhattan's Lower East Side writes. 'I don't care what you need them for. '
One Los Angeles woman offers to buy a pregnancy test for $20 'to make a video on teen pregnancy' for her local boys and girls club, which commenters point out seems suspect.
Another Dallas-based buyer is motivated by revenge, because after five years and two children with her ex-boyfriend, he came home and told her that he got his receptionist pregnant.
'We had been trying for another [baby]' she writes.
'He texted and said he isn't sure who he wants to be with and I think I handled it well for what a cheating lying dog he is. I would like the last laugh out of this. I will give some girl $40. '
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2407401/Women-sell-positive-pregnancy-tests-Craigslist-25-each.html
Aaragon1977
09-01-13, 16:01
I see a lot of posts re CL, ad's. I have had a lot of success getting responses to my CL ad's. But it has been hard to close because of my ethnicity. Attaching a picture that I got recently in response to my ad and the email with it.
There is only a 1 in 100 chance that I might actually make her my sugarbaby. But getting these responses keep me going.
"I have never had a sugar daddy, but the idea has interested me for a while. I'm 5'6" and 125lbs with short brown hair and hazel eyes. I'm not enrolled in school, but I work a part-time job in the IT department of a university and a part-time job at a tanning salon. Some of my financial goals that I'm working on are saving up to afford my own car, place, and breast implants. Other than the financial aspect, a big thing that interests me in having a sugar daddy would be letting my sugar daddy have control of me, take charge, and use me for his own pleasure. Pleasing a man and making him feel good is one of my biggest turn-ons. Let me know if you're interested in meeting up or getting to know each other."
Mr Enternational
09-07-13, 15:32
an article for the guys who refer to the usa as sex prison, some guys like myself can't get away from pussy:
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/09/05/woman-charged-with-[CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125)-man-bond-set-at-75k/#.uikfsa5o4za.facebook
I see a lot of posts re CL, ad's. I have had a lot of success getting responses to my CL ad's. But it has been hard to close because of my ethnicity. Attaching a picture that I got recently in response to my ad and the email with it.
There is only a 1 in 100 chance that I might actually make her my sugarbaby. But getting these responses keep me going.
"I have never had a sugar daddy, but the idea has interested me for a while. I'm 5'6" and 125lbs with short brown hair and hazel eyes. I'm not enrolled in school, but I work a part-time job in the IT department of a university and a part-time job at a tanning salon. Some of my financial goals that I'm working on are saving up to afford my own car, place, and breast implants. Other than the financial aspect, a big thing that interests me in having a sugar daddy would be letting my sugar daddy have control of me, take charge, and use me for his own pleasure. Pleasing a man and making him feel good is one of my biggest turn-ons. Let me know if you're interested in meeting up or getting to know each other."Well, that is a cute picture but she is obviously not a marketing major or she wouldn't show a background that looks like a junkie flop. Personally I would like to come all over her face for my own pleasure. I bet she buys the implants before she buys the car as I sense some major self-esteem issues.
Aaragon1977
09-07-13, 17:34
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Mr Enternational
09-07-13, 20:42
Well, that is a cute picture but she is obviously not a marketing major or she wouldn't show a background that looks like a junkie flop. I bet she buys the implants before she buys the car as I sense some major self-esteem issues.Besides that, if you are going to be a sugar daddy, at least be one to a woman who already has the adult basics such as a CAR. It's like, I have a pussy! ; wine and dine me and give me money. Step your game up sugar daddies and sugar babies.
Besides that, if you are going to be a sugar daddy, at least be one to a woman who already has the adult basics such as a CAR.I dunno. If she doesn't have a car she can't drop by your place unexpectedly. I say, tell her you will pay her rent but you get to keep a key and can come over and fuck her whenever you want. You could add additional stipulations like she has to wear that outfit all the time just in case you feel like cumming by, or she has to suck you off the minute you walk in the door.
2 jobs + 0 car; I like that math, actually. You could use the car as the carrot and the rent as the stick.
SavePros321
09-07-13, 21:11
I see a lot of posts re CL, ad's. I have had a lot of success getting responses to my CL ad's. But it has been hard to close because of my ethnicity. Attaching a picture that I got recently in response to my ad and the email with it.
There is only a 1 in 100 chance that I might actually make her my sugarbaby. But getting these responses keep me going.
"I have never had a sugar daddy, but the idea has interested me for a while. I'm 5'6" and 125lbs with short brown hair and hazel eyes. I'm not enrolled in school, but I work a part-time job in the IT department of a university and a part-time job at a tanning salon. Some of my financial goals that I'm working on are saving up to afford my own car, place, and breast implants. Other than the financial aspect, a big thing that interests me in having a sugar daddy would be letting my sugar daddy have control of me, take charge, and use me for his own pleasure. Pleasing a man and making him feel good is one of my biggest turn-ons. Let me know if you're interested in meeting up or getting to know each other."The photo was probably taken in the apartment of her pimp. If you want to believe that a cutie like that is living alone (in a dump) then you should probably stay off of Craigslist.
Just don't be one of those guys that ends up on the evening news who got scammed by a chick (with a boyfriend or pimp in the background pulling the strings) looking for a wealthy patron and end up bound, gaged, and blugoned to death; all you credit cards, cash, and valuables taken; because you let this stranger get to close too your personal life.
An article for the guys who refer to the USA as sex prison, some guys like myself can't get away from pussy:That's because some guys are not concerned with the quality Of pussy. On this and other forums countless other guys, myself included, have said that they prefer plainer looking women who are even-tempered and have pleasant personalities to women with silicon breasts and butts, hair extensions, gobs of make-up, who complain non-stop, constantly challenge anything a man says or does, and have odious personalities. In the USA, an attractive woman who puts out and is drama free is rare indeed. It IS like being in a prison!
Aaragon1977
09-08-13, 06:06
The photo was probably taken in the apartment of her pimp. If you want to believe that a cutie like that is living alone (in a dump) then you should probably stay off of Craigslist.
Just don't be one of those guys that ends up on the evening news who got scammed by a chick (with a boyfriend or pimp in the background pulling the strings) looking for a wealthy patron and end up bound, gaged, and blugoned to death; all you credit cards, cash, and valuables taken; because you let this stranger get to close too your personal life.Thanks for the warning. I always meet the girls for alone times in decent hotels that I choose and let her know just before the meeting. I also make sure to checkin first and ensure there is no danger.
Agree with the comments that it sounds TGBT. Actually met the girl, the picture is extremely flattering, She is probably a 6 in real life.
Aaragon1977
09-22-13, 06:05
Thanks for the warning. I always meet the girls for alone times in decent hotels that I choose and let her know just before the meeting. I also make sure to checkin first and ensure there is no danger.
Agree with the comments that it sounds TGBT. Actually met the girl, the picture is extremely flattering, She is probably a 6 in real life.I met the girl for coffee and agreed an allowance of 1200 per month for 4 to dates, agreed to meet the following week for BCD. Averaged couple of texts a day and then she starts pushing the date out. Says she works 3 jobs and will only be free in oct first week. I agree and tell her I am willing to wait.
Out of the blue she sends me a text saying she needs twice as much allowance and she is set on it. Wished her good luck moved on to the next one.
Then I get a response from this girl.
"Okay so like I said before, I'm sweet & deserving. I'm 19, blonde hair & blue eyes. 5'7" 135lbs. In good shape & very sexy. My last relationship was hell & I'm having the hardest time bouncing back & getting on my feet. I hope you can help me. I'm a huge sweetheart and have always been a very selfless person, always putting others before myself & being treated like complete crap & never being good enough. I supported my ex for two years, keep in mind he was 20-22 so he should've been the big man & been taking care of me, but no. I payed for everything. Paid to fix his truck, paid for insurance on it, paid for gas for everything, paid for groceries, rent, bills, every time we went out to eat, shopping, everything! I even paid for my own dang birthday presents, sad hey? Gave him everything I ever could and he just took advantage of me and now I have nothing to show for all my hard work. He couldn't keep a job to save his life. For the two & a half years we were together he went through I want to say 20 different jobs! 20! He always had an excuse: it's too far of a drive, I don't like my boss, I don't like getting up that early, I don't want to work. He was a joke but I loved him so I just kept taking care of him, then he became abusive. Don't even get me started on that, all I'm going to say was it was every night, him taking his problems & issues out on me. Thennnnn one day I just decided to pack up & move out. Give us some time & space. Within a few days I saw him out & about with another girl. Come to find out he was cheating on me the entire time, using me for all I had & then beating me to make himself feel better. So needless to say I'm broken down and can't seem to rebuild myself. I hope you can help me."
[QUOTE=George90; 1469419]. In the USA, an attractive woman who puts out and is drama free is rare indeed. QUOTE] Non-existent IMO. The young ones are nice to look at, expensive to touch and hell to be involved with. American women are the reason I travel abroad any chance I get. On another subject I noticed that Jackson removed all the "political" threads. Too controversial I suppose. Just as well because there were some awful pissing contests emerging.
an article for the guys who refer to the usa as sex prison, some guys like myself can't get away from pussy:
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/09/05/woman-charged-with-[CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125)-man-bond-set-at-75k/#.uikfsa5o4za.facebookthey probably had him take his pants off so it would be easier to rob him, e. i'm glad someone is getting laid in the us.
This is a "regular" woman in USA (warning: hambeasts in lingerie)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/20/regular-women-lingerie-photos_n_4308760.html
Feminist motto: if you can't clear the bar, then lower it
This is a "regular" woman in USA (warning: hambeasts in lingerie)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/20/regular-women-lingerie-photos_n_4308760.html
Feminist motto: if you can't clear the bar, then lower itI'm glad that you only posted a link to the article. If you posted those pics in the Photo Gallery, you may have quite a few members hunting you down for giving them visual nightmares. I have a problem especially seeing a woman's stomach out farther than the boobs. I almost lost my dinner seeing the clearly visible stretchmarks on those matronly beast. I'm glad that I do not have 20 20 vision. Just my two cents on this.
This is a "regular" woman in USA (warning: hambeasts in lingerie)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/20/regular-women-lingerie-photos_n_4308760.html
Feminist motto: if you can't clear the bar, then lower itNot to mention their laziness: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/19/no-brazilian-waxes-hair_n_4302775.html?utm_source=concierge&utm_medium=onsite&utm_campaign=sailthru%2Bslider%2B
Mr Enternational
11-22-13, 03:27
This is a "regular" woman in USA (warning: hambeasts in lingerie)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/20/regular-women-lingerie-photos_n_4308760.html
Feminist motto: if you can't clear the bar, then lower itThat would depend on who set the bar and when and why did they set it there.
Carlos3000
11-22-13, 06:28
[QUOTE=George90; 1469419]. In the USA, an attractive woman who puts out and is drama free is rare indeed. QUOTE] Non-existent IMO. The young ones are nice to look at, expensive to touch and hell to be involved with.This is the best description of American women I have seen. Anyone that has married and divorced an American woman can so relate to this description. Beware guys.
Happy mongering!
It is only getting worst, fellows.
http://gma.yahoo.com/ga-man-must-pay-50-000-breaking-engagement-003334233.html
SavePros321
02-22-14, 20:17
i thought this was an interesting read. numbers 3, 8, and 9 stood out the most to me:
3) degradation of positive masculine role models
whereas 50 years ago, advertising, hollywood and television was filled with examples of positive masculine role models that young men could look up to, today's entertainment industry routinely portrays men as clueless and bumbling oafs at best (think homer simpson, everybody loves raymond, married with children) or at worst as aggressive sexual predators. since advertising is primarily aimed at women, men in commercials are also now routinely depicted as either being emasculated losers or stupefied morons. young men consuming this content grow up thinking that it is acceptable and even encouraged to aspire to these character traits. in doing so, they are robbed of their natural masculinity and find it extremely difficult to attract well-rounded women, who are rightly disgusted by such behavior. the entertainment industry is largely controlled by men, again underscoring the fact that this assault is a top down trend that has little or nothing to do with the gender war.
8) the legal system discriminates against men
in both divorce and child custody proceedings, it is widely acknowledged that courts heavily favor women and discriminate against men. men are routinely hit with onerous alimony payments even if women are capable of working and earning a good paycheck. men only receive custody of their children in around 10 per cent of divorce cases in the united states. the ironic thing about this system is that it has primarily been instituted by other men, emphasizing again how the war on men is being waged not by women, but by the primarily male-dominated establishment itself.
9) masculinity as a dirty word
dissident feminist camille paglia recently wrote a wall street journal piece in which she warned, 'what you're seeing is how a civilization commits suicide. ' paglia was referring to how the emancipation of masculine virtues by the establishment threatens to create massive destabilization in society due to less and less men being able to fill traditionally 'masculine' roles in the jobs market. paglia points to schools cutting recess, the effort to deny the biological distinctions between men and women, and the left's characterization of controversial opinions as 'hate speech' as examples of how masculinity is being deliberately eroded. 'masculinity is just becoming something that is imitated from the movies. there's nothing left. there's no room for anything manly right now, ' warns paglia, adding that young men have, 'no models of manhood. '
full article here:
http://www.infowars.com/the-war-on-men-10-ways-masculinity-is-under-attack/
Mr Enternational
03-08-14, 12:52
By Hannah Winston.
Palm Beach Post.
BOCA RATON, Fla. — A South Florida man threw a toaster at his wife when she refused to have sex with him, according to authorities.
Palm Beach County Sheriff's officer arrested Jong Park. 37, early Tuesday morning in Boca Raton. Park, who was released from the Palm Beach County Jail on his own recognizance Wednesday afternoon, faces charges of domestic battery.
Park's wife told officers when she refused to have sex with him, he hit her, pulled her hair and threw a toaster at her. Officers noted a bruise on her forehead where the kitchen appliance hit her, according to the report.
In a written sworn statement she said she was scared to go back into the home because he threatened to hit her again.
A 6-year old and a 3-year old also live in the home, according to the report.
DJ FourMoney
04-14-14, 04:21
i thought this was an interesting read. numbers 3, 8, and 9 stood out the most to me:
3) degradation of positive masculine role models
whereas 50 years ago, advertising, hollywood and television was filled with examples of positive masculine role models that young men could look up to, today's entertainment industry routinely portrays men as clueless and bumbling oafs at best (think homer simpson, everybody loves raymond, married with children) or at worst as aggressive sexual predators. since advertising is primarily aimed at women, men in commercials are also now routinely depicted as either being emasculated losers or stupefied morons. young men consuming this content grow up thinking that it is acceptable and even encouraged to aspire to these character traits. in doing so, they are robbed of their natural masculinity and find it extremely difficult to attract well-rounded women, who are rightly disgusted by such behavior. the entertainment industry is largely controlled by men, again underscoring the fact that this assault is a top down trend that has little or nothing to do with the gender war.
8) the legal system discriminates against men
in both divorce and child custody proceedings, it is widely acknowledged that courts heavily favor women and discriminate against men. men are routinely hit with onerous alimony payments even if women are capable of working and earning a good paycheck. men only receive custody of their children in around 10 per cent of divorce cases in the united states. the ironic thing about this system is that it has primarily been instituted by other men, emphasizing again how the war on men is being waged not by women, but by the primarily male-dominated establishment itself.
9) masculinity as a dirty word
dissident feminist camille paglia recently wrote a wall street journal piece in which she warned, 'what you're seeing is how a civilization commits suicide. ' paglia was referring to how the emancipation of masculine virtues by the establishment threatens to create massive destabilization in society due to less and less men being able to fill traditionally 'masculine' roles in the jobs market. paglia points to schools cutting recess, the effort to deny the biological distinctions between men and women, and the left's characterization of controversial opinions as 'hate speech' as examples of how masculinity is being deliberately eroded. 'masculinity is just becoming something that is imitated from the movies. there's nothing left. there's no room for anything manly right now, ' warns paglia, adding that young men have, 'no models of manhood. '
full article here:
http://www.infowars.com/the-war-on-men-10-ways-masculinity-is-under-attack/these issues are all true. the gender war is being pushed by elites at the behest of extreme feminist.
we are too far gone i feel. only thing if men want ltr / marriage is to go overseas but this isg so i'm sure everybody knows that.
This is a "regular" woman in USA (warning: hambeasts in lingerie)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/20/regular-women-lingerie-photos_n_4308760.html
Feminist motto: if you can't clear the bar, then lower itThat is horrifying to say the least.
Naked Gunz
04-14-14, 08:23
These issues are all true. The Gender War is being pushed by elites at the behest of extreme feminist.Madison Ave. Marketing is to portray a man as an idiot, esp with anything concerned with home and kids, mom is always right, knows best and will save the day.
We are too far gone I feel. Only thing if men want LTR / Marriage is to go overseas but this ISG so I'm sure everybody knows that.Go overseas and stay there, where a man is still a man. If you bring her back she will be bombarded by her "friends" to leave you, esp if your older than her, then she will be tempted to take half and run! In the USA, it's a womans world.
That is horrifying to say the least.Can't agree more, I really had to scroll down quickly to avoid these photos. They really did fall out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down.
Go overseas and stay there, where a man is still a man. In the USA, it's a womans world.True. The more I travel, especially to Asia, the more I dislike American women. Fat asses and motor mouths that won't even suck a schwanztooka properly. The only ones I deal here with are the ones I have to work with (well except some brown sugar P4P once in awhile). I'm moving to PI (Cebu or Negros) in 2022 when I retire. With the decline of the USA thanks in large part to our idiot president I predict there will be a whole lot more guys doing the same.
SavePros321
05-08-14, 12:04
go overseas and stay there, where a man is still a man. if you bring her back she will be bombarded by her "friends" to leave you, esp if your older than her, then she will be tempted to take half and run! in the usa, it's a womans world.women buying positive pregnancy tests to trap men
new york (cbs 2) — used positive pregnancy tests can be found for sale all over the internet.
and as cbs 2's alice gainer reported, those involved said people are snapping them up – with less-than-ethical motivations.
one mother from dallas did not want her identity revealed, but she does want people to buy her positive pregnancy tests. she talked about one woman who took her up on the offer.
'she wanted to trick him into thinking she was pregnant, so he would drop everything so i gave her two tests, ' the woman said.
buying and selling others' pregnancy tests is the latest trend on the internet. those involved in the trade said the buyers' motive is often to trap a man – and that is not all.
'ninety-five percent of the girls just want to lie to get a man, ' the seller said.
and the sellers know that.
one craigslist ad posted last year by a central new jersey woman read: 'i am pregnant and will sell you a positive pregnancy test. these will be taken right before you're ready to pick them up. want to get your boyfriend to finally pop the question? play a trick on mom, dad or one of your friends? i really don't care what you use it for. '
another ad from buffalo promised no judgment at all. it read in part: 'ever since i became pregnant, i have been asked numerous times for a positive test, so i decided to start charging for it! i will test the same day you want to pick it up! i don't care what you use it for, not my business! '
'you can tell the girls who are up to no good, ' the seller said.
ethics and morality aside, relationship expert dr. jane greer said having to use a phony test to get your partner to commit is clearly a bad sign for the future.
'if you're buying one of these, it really is a statement that you're not on solid ground with the person you are in a relationship, ' greer said.
the dallas pregnancy test seller said there are other motivations for buying the tests besides snaring a partner.
'one girl said she just wanted to play a trick on her mom, ' she said.
and still others may have more sinister plans. authorities warned people to be careful how they use the purchased positive tests.
'for example, if a married man is having an affair and he tried to break it off with the girl, and she became upset and decided to present this fake pregnancy test and demand money, otherwise she would tell the spouse. that would be a level of blackmail, ' overland park, kansas, police officer gary mason told cbs affiliate kctv-tv, kansas city.
whatever the reason for buying it, many said they find the idea inconceivable.
'that's playing with people's emotions, ' one man said. 'you don't mess with stuff like that. '
'i wouldn't want to be on the receiving side of that, ' another said.
'it's just like any other con – cons are no good, ' a woman said.
but mothers-to-be who sell the tests for as much as $30 each said it is just the latest commodity online.
'it's a neat, marketable skill – it's kind of unique. you're only going do it so many times in your life, ' the dallas woman said.
some expectant mothers are going so far as to sell their [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) online, as well.
SavePros321
05-08-14, 13:43
Link to article from my post below:
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/05/07/seen-at-11-positive-pregnancy-tests-up-for-sale-online
Chocha Monger
05-25-14, 18:59
Sexual frustration apparently fueled a murderous Southern California rampage, as a self-confessed 22-year-old virgin hunted sorority girls and other women to have his "revenge against humanity" leaving at least seven people dead a month after Elliot Rodger's parents warned cops that he was posting alarming videos on YouTube.
The gunman killed six people at least three during a 10-minute shooting spree in Isla Vista near the University of California Santa Barbara on Friday night, and three more at his apartment. The shooter apparently shot himself in the head.
Three male victims were stabbed to death in the apartment before the shooting rampage.
Santa Barbara County Sheriff Bill Brown identified Rodger as the killer in Friday's drive-by shootings, and he is also suspected as the killer of three people in his apartment. Rodger's parents, who also believe he was the killer, alerted cops about violent videos he was posting online, but authorities found him to be a "perfectly polite, kind and wonderful human," according to Alan Shifman, attorney for his father, "Hunger Games" assistant director Peter Rodger. Police did not find a history of guns, but did say Elliot Rodger "didn't have a lot of friends," had trouble making friends and didn't have any girlfriends.
"On the day of retribution, I am going to enter the hottest sorority house at UCSB, and I will slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blond * I see inside there," & Rodger said in his final video. "I will be a god compared to you. You will all be animals. You are animals, and I will slaughter you like animals. I hate all of you. Humanity is a disgusting, wretched, depraved species."
The Santa Barbara City College student complained of being a virgin who had never been kissed and was constantly rejected by women who prefer "obnoxious men instead of me, the supreme gentleman.".
"You think I'm unworthy of you. That's a crime I can never get over," he said. "If I can't have you girls, I will destroy you. You denied me a happy life and in turn I will deny all of you life. It's only fair.".
The gunman was in two gun battles before crashing his black BMW into a parked car.
"All of you girls who rejected me, looked down upon me, you know, treated me like scum while you gave yourselves to other men ... " Elliot Rodger said during the final moments of his video. "I hate all of you. I can't wait to give you exactly what you deserve annihilation.".
Authorities acknowledged yesterday they were looking at the YouTube video titled "Elliot Rodger's Retribution," in which he sits in a car, looking at the camera, and promised gruesome violence against humanity while periodically laughing.
"It's obviously the work of a madman," Brown said.
Experts say the shooter appears to be the product of a sick modern society that encourages violence against women, and that he is suffering from one of man's oldest mental ailments envy.
"You're looking at someone who's unhinged. In a culture that legitimizes violence against women whether it's video games or pornography this violence is sexualized," said Gail Dines, a professor of sociology and women's studies at Wheelock College. "When you hear something like this, he's picking up on cultural cues that women are less than him and don't deserve to live.".
"Envy is a very powerful and underappreciated emotion in human affairs," said Dr. Roger Pitman, a psychiatrist at Massachusetts General Hospital and professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School. "If he's envious of these other guys and women for being popular, that can motivate anger and resentment.".
http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/national/west/2014/05/police_killing_spree_near_california_campus_fueled_by_rage
SavePros321
06-23-14, 18:52
Check this shit out fellas:
I met a (American Woman) chick via OkCupid over the weekend. The system told me that she "liked" my profile, so I used the instance to hit her up. Long story short it turns out that she works near my job. She stressed (in her profile an on the phone) that she was more interested in meeting folks in person rather than spending a lot of time messaging, so she invited me to lunch. We agreed to meet on Monday (today).
I'm out there in the hot ass sun hoofing blocks to meet her at a halfway point, and we both walk a least 4 more blocks to get to a food court in the tunnels.
After looking around a bit we decide on a Chinese place. When we entered the spot, two red flags immediately went up:
1) She paused to look at the menu prices before we went through the line (cafeteria styled restaurant in where the servers load the food onto your plate based on what you tell them you want). Not too terrible, but it threw me off as you will see in a second.
2) She was in front of me in line, but move behind me and told me I could go first. Didn't think much of it at the time.
So we both order our food and I get to the register first, get my bottled water, and pay for my meal. She comes up next to me with her food and the lady asks her if she wants something to drink with her meal. As I am putting my card in my wallet my lunch date says "oh, I'm paying?" I was like "uh...I didn't know you wanted... " and just let my words trail off without finishing the sentence. I wasn't going to pay for this broad's meal.
I go over and grab a fork and some napkins, then go and stand by a table waiting on her so that we can decide where to sit. She is still at the register. I'm like "damn, what is taking her so long?" I then saw that her plate of food is on the back counter (she told them she changed her mind), and they hand her a small container, and then rung this byatch up for a $1.50 eggroll! I know it was an egg roll because I could see from were I was standing what they rung her up for, and what the price of the item was.
That's not the funniest part!
She then walks towards my direction (with her eggroll in her container, lol), pulls out her phone and says: "I'll be right back, I have to make a phone call. I have to go upstairs (outside) because I don't get any cell phone reception down here (in the tunnels). ".
I was like "oh, ok", but I knew the deal. This broad was looking for a meal ticket. I sat my ass down and immediately began eating because I knew her ass was giving me the slip and was not coming back.
The food tasted like shit. My plate was 12 bucks. Good thing I was smart enough not to have ended up paying $24 bucks for shit food.
Moral of the story: I think we need to do with AW's the same that we do with working girls: get the terms up front. Let's continue to break the stereotype that the man is supposed to pick up the tab, especially for a broad you've only known all of 10 minutes.
If you read my other AW dating story (posted in the Sosua forum) you saw how I ended up paying about $70 for dinner with a chick I met online a few months back. I admit I was a bit rusty at the time because I hadn't dabbled in the AW dating scene in a long while.
To use Mr. Enternational's line he used with a chick from Plenty of Fish (paraphrased): "So I guess the game is to see how much of my money we can spend?
If you are going out to eat with a broad, always find out ahead of time if you are expected to pick up the tab. With "Women's Rights" and all that jazz, these chics are paid just as well as we are. No excuse as to why they can't pay for their own damn meals!
Check this shit out fellas:
I met a (American Woman) chick via OkCupid over the weekend. The system told me that she "liked" my profile, so I used the instance to hit her up. Long story short it turns out that she works near my job. She stressed (in her profile an on the phone) that she was more interested in meeting folks in person rather than spending a lot of time messaging, so she invited me to lunch. We agreed to meet on Monday (today).
I'm out there in the hot ass sun hoofing blocks to meet her at a halfway point, and we both walk a least 4 more blocks to get to a food court in the tunnels.
After looking around a bit we decide on a Chinese place. When we entered the spot, two red flags immediately went up:
1) She paused to look at the menu prices before we went through the line (cafeteria styled restaurant in where the servers load the food onto your plate based on what you tell them you want). Not too terrible, but it threw me off as you will see in a second.
2) She was in front of me in line, but move behind me and told me I could go first. Didn't think much of it at the time.
So we both order our food and I get to the register first, get my bottled water, and pay for my meal. She comes up next to me with her food and the lady asks her if she wants something to drink with her meal. As I am putting my card in my wallet my lunch date says "oh, I'm paying?" I was like "uh...I didn't know you wanted... " and just let my words trail off without finishing the sentence. I wasn't going to pay for this broad's meal.
I go over and grab a fork and some napkins, then go and stand by a table waiting on her so that we can decide where to sit. She is still at the register. I'm like "damn, what is taking her so long?" I then saw that her plate of food is on the back counter (she told them she changed her mind), and they hand her a small container, and then rung this byatch up for a $1.50 eggroll! I know it was an egg roll because I could see from were I was standing what they rung her up for, and what the price of the item was.
That's not the funniest part!
She then walks towards my direction (with her eggroll in her container, lol), pulls out her phone and says: "I'll be right back, I have to make a phone call. I have to go upstairs (outside) because I don't get any cell phone reception down here (in the tunnels). ".
I was like "oh, ok", but I knew the deal. This broad was looking for a meal ticket. I sat my ass down and immediately began eating because I knew her ass was giving me the slip and was not coming back.
The food tasted like shit. My plate was 12 bucks. Good thing I was smart enough not to have ended up paying $24 bucks for shit food.
Moral of the story: I think we need to do with AW's the same that we do with working girls: get the terms up front. Let's continue to break the stereotype that the man is supposed to pick up the tab, especially for a broad you've only known all of 10 minutes.
If you read my other AW dating story (posted in the Sosua forum) you saw how I ended up paying about $70 for dinner with a chick I met online a few months back. I admit I was a bit rusty at the time because I hadn't dabbled in the AW dating scene in a long while.
To use Mr. Enternational's line he used with a chick from Plenty of Fish (paraphrased): "So I guess the game is to see how much of my money we can spend?
If you are going out to eat with a broad, always find out ahead of time if you are expected to pick up the tab. With "Women's Rights" and all that jazz, these chics are paid just as well as we are. No excuse as to why they can't pay for their own damn meals!I once met a girl on match.com who tried that crap with me. She invited me to lunch to " a really cool vegan restaurant" which wound up being an overpriced hippy mill. When the check came the waitress put it down in front of me. I looked at the bill put my food money down and handed the balance over to Cleopatra. She was baffled. That's how it ended.
We walked past each other on the street a few weeks later and I couldn't help but giggle. Either way though I still overpaid for my happy meal at the hippy mill.
On a few other match.com occasions I asked the girl to meet me on a corner so I could scope her out from a distance. WHY? Lets just say I escaped in the nic of time.
These bee's incorporate the savings into their monthly budgets and Sex in The City Fantasies. Don't let it happen!
On a few other match.com occasions I asked the girl to meet me on a corner so I could scope her out from a distance. WHY? Lets just say I escaped in the nic of time. Most all AWs have the attitude that "what's yours is mine; and what's mine is mine". That, coupled with an overabundance of big ass and non-stop motor mouth, make them the least desirable females on the planet. Anyone who travels, especially to Asia, quickly realizes this.
I once met a girl on match.com who tried that crap with me. She invited me to lunch to " a really cool vegan restaurant" which wound up being an overpriced hippy mill. When the check came the waitress put it down in front of me. I looked at the bill put my food money down and handed the balance over to Cleopatra. She was baffled. That's how it ended.
We walked past each other on the street a few weeks later and I couldn't help but giggle. Either way though I still overpaid for my happy meal at the hippy mill.
On a few other match.com occasions I asked the girl to meet me on a corner so I could scope her out from a distance. WHY? Lets just say I escaped in the nic of time.
These bee's incorporate the savings into their monthly budgets and Sex in The City Fantasies. Don't let it happen!Great report / s. When I moved to USA and NY for the 1st time I met what I called the. match.com professional dinner set. Woman after woman who picked unusually NICE A+ rated restaurants for 1st meals. Too funny.
My ex missus was the ultimate American cxxt, real piece of sheet from Chiocago, home of the world's fattest most vile women. Anyway, we live and learn.
Do the old trick like this. Meet a woman where-ever she wants to go. Especially an expensive restaurant. Book in her name. Arrive 5 minutes late. Take cigarettes with you. In the 1st 30 seconds if you feel a bit uneasy. Use the ciggies to make an excsue to go outside.
Then run for your life from that Amwerican pig.
Check this shit out fellas:
I met a (American Woman) chick via OkCupid over the weekend. The system told me that she "liked" my profile, so I used the instance to hit her up. Long story short it turns out that she works near my job. She stressed (in her profile an on the phone) that she was more interested in meeting folks in person rather than spending a lot of time messaging, so she invited me to lunch. We agreed to meet on Monday (today).
I'm out there in the hot ass sun hoofing blocks to meet her at a halfway point, and we both walk a least 4 more blocks to get to a food court in the tunnels.
After looking around a bit we decide on a Chinese place. When we entered the spot, two red flags immediately went up:
1) She paused to look at the menu prices before we went through the line (cafeteria styled restaurant in where the servers load the food onto your plate based on what you tell them you want). Not too terrible, but it threw me off as you will see in a second.
2) She was in front of me in line, but move behind me and told me I could go first. Didn't think much of it at the time.
So we both order our food and I get to the register first, get my bottled water, and pay for my meal. She comes up next to me with her food and the lady asks her if she wants something to drink with her meal. As I am putting my card in my wallet my lunch date says "oh, I'm paying?" I was like "uh...I didn't know you wanted... " and just let my words trail off without finishing the sentence. I wasn't going to pay for this broad's meal.
I go over and grab a fork and some napkins, then go and stand by a table waiting on her so that we can decide where to sit. She is still at the register. I'm like "damn, what is taking her so long?" I then saw that her plate of food is on the back counter (she told them she changed her mind), and they hand her a small container, and then rung this byatch up for a $1.50 eggroll! I know it was an egg roll because I could see from were I was standing what they rung her up for, and what the price of the item was.
That's not the funniest part!
She then walks towards my direction (with her eggroll in her container, lol), pulls out her phone and says: "I'll be right back, I have to make a phone call. I have to go upstairs (outside) because I don't get any cell phone reception down here (in the tunnels). ".
I was like "oh, ok", but I knew the deal. This broad was looking for a meal ticket. I sat my ass down and immediately began eating because I knew her ass was giving me the slip and was not coming back.
The food tasted like shit. My plate was 12 bucks. Good thing I was smart enough not to have ended up paying $24 bucks for shit food.
Moral of the story: I think we need to do with AW's the same that we do with working girls: get the terms up front. Let's continue to break the stereotype that the man is supposed to pick up the tab, especially for a broad you've only known all of 10 minutes.
If you read my other AW dating story (posted in the Sosua forum) you saw how I ended up paying about $70 for dinner with a chick I met online a few months back. I admit I was a bit rusty at the time because I hadn't dabbled in the AW dating scene in a long while.
To use Mr. Enternational's line he used with a chick from Plenty of Fish (paraphrased): "So I guess the game is to see how much of my money we can spend?
If you are going out to eat with a broad, always find out ahead of time if you are expected to pick up the tab. With "Women's Rights" and all that jazz, these chics are paid just as well as we are. No excuse as to why they can't pay for their own damn meals!Easier said then done. After recently vacating the scam of American higher ed, I have realized that either AW have demanded we pay again (or perhaps it never ended). In college, the chicks are pretty cool about that, everybody goes dutch and materialism takes a back seat. The fact of the high percentage of colleges cashing in on Asian chicks in American universities these days may be a factor.
Recently, dating on Match, I have discovered dutch just doesn't cut it. Some women have been deeply offended, and I've lost out on dates. In the USA a guy can't be a chooser. I assume, if one likes their lady date enough to go out with them, there is the usual gender power differential where she can extract fees. What's more demented is the facade the women present at bill time. All pretend to pay and expect me to physically stop them and insist on payment on my behalf.
Some of these women aren't bad; they have just grown up with the entitlement. I haven't reached the point of giving free drinks--I don't see myself getting their anytime soon. I'll just relate the new yielding to buying dinner to getting older. I suppose I'll buy drinks in middle age.
Can SOMEONE inform me on how to wind down the money payments as the relationship progresses. I've been told that the man can ask the women to pay her half after several months into the relationship?
Check this shit out fellas:
I met a (American Woman) chick via OkCupid over the weekend. The system told me that she "liked" my profile, so I used the instance to hit her up. Long story short it turns out that she works near my job. She stressed (in her profile an on the phone) that she was more interested in meeting folks in person rather than spending a lot of time messaging, so she invited me to lunch. We agreed to meet on Monday (today).
I'm out there in the hot ass sun hoofing blocks to meet her at a halfway point, and we both walk a least 4 more blocks to get to a food court in the tunnels.
After looking around a bit we decide on a Chinese place. When we entered the spot, two red flags immediately went up:
1) She paused to look at the menu prices before we went through the line (cafeteria styled restaurant in where the servers load the food onto your plate based on what you tell them you want). Not too terrible, but it threw me off as you will see in a second.
2) She was in front of me in line, but move behind me and told me I could go first. Didn't think much of it at the time.
So we both order our food and I get to the register first, get my bottled water, and pay for my meal. She comes up next to me with her food and the lady asks her if she wants something to drink with her meal. As I am putting my card in my wallet my lunch date says "oh, I'm paying?" I was like "uh...I didn't know you wanted... " and just let my words trail off without finishing the sentence. I wasn't going to pay for this broad's meal.
I go over and grab a fork and some napkins, then go and stand by a table waiting on her so that we can decide where to sit. She is still at the register. I'm like "damn, what is taking her so long?" I then saw that her plate of food is on the back counter (she told them she changed her mind), and they hand her a small container, and then rung this byatch up for a $1.50 eggroll! I know it was an egg roll because I could see from were I was standing what they rung her up for, and what the price of the item was.
That's not the funniest part!
She then walks towards my direction (with her eggroll in her container, lol), pulls out her phone and says: "I'll be right back, I have to make a phone call. I have to go upstairs (outside) because I don't get any cell phone reception down here (in the tunnels). ".
I was like "oh, ok", but I knew the deal. This broad was looking for a meal ticket. I sat my ass down and immediately began eating because I knew her ass was giving me the slip and was not coming back.
The food tasted like shit. My plate was 12 bucks. Good thing I was smart enough not to have ended up paying $24 bucks for shit food.
Moral of the story: I think we need to do with AW's the same that we do with working girls: get the terms up front. Let's continue to break the stereotype that the man is supposed to pick up the tab, especially for a broad you've only known all of 10 minutes.
If you read my other AW dating story (posted in the Sosua forum) you saw how I ended up paying about $70 for dinner with a chick I met online a few months back. I admit I was a bit rusty at the time because I hadn't dabbled in the AW dating scene in a long while.
To use Mr. Enternational's line he used with a chick from Plenty of Fish (paraphrased): "So I guess the game is to see how much of my money we can spend?
If you are going out to eat with a broad, always find out ahead of time if you are expected to pick up the tab. With "Women's Rights" and all that jazz, these chics are paid just as well as we are. No excuse as to why they can't pay for their own damn meals!As sad as this story is, there may be an additional tragedy. This girl, from her point of view, may have been legitimate in vacating. She may have been sincere in the date, but the audacity (sic) of a guy refusing to pay.
Mr Enternational
07-11-14, 02:13
Recently, dating on Match, I have discovered dutch just doesn't cut it. Some women have been deeply offended, and I've lost out on dates. In the USA a guy can't be a chooser. I assume, if one likes their lady date enough to go out with them, there is the usual gender power differential where she can extract fees. What's more demented is the facade the women present at bill time. All pretend to pay and expect me to physically stop them and insist on payment on my behalf.
Some of these women aren't bad; they have just grown up with the entitlement. I haven't reached the point of giving free drinks--I don't see myself getting their anytime soon. I'll just relate the new yielding to buying dinner to getting older. I suppose I'll buy drinks in middle age.
Can SOMEONE inform me on how to wind down the money payments as the relationship progresses. I've been told that the man can ask the women to pay her half after several months into the relationship?Damn, I totally missed SavePros' funny ass story (I have one myself from last week that I need to write up in the Dominican Republic Santo Domingo thread). Thanks Jesterl for commenting on it, which brought it to my attention. You are damn right Dutch doesn't cut it. What you need to do when you meet an AW (or any woman for that matter) is ask her when she is taking you out. If she comes back with when are YOU taking me out, then my usual line is, "7 days after you take me out. It's just that I'm not comfortable doing things for people not knowing that they would do the same in return given the opportunity. So here is your opportunity!" (She doesn't necessarily have to spend money taking you to eat; she can cook you a meal or take you out for coffee, but whatever the case, she has to extend her goodness and generosity to you before you do it for her.).
The problem, as with anything else in life, is that you aren't USED to doing it. It feels weird letting a woman pay. And the same with anything else, the more you practice / do it, the more natural it feels. It's going to feel weird as heck to her too when she is so used to it being the other way around her whole life. But you have to train them from the beginning. You don't wean them off of the Jesterl free meal plan. You start things off how you want things to be. If you start off paying then you will always be paying. But see you are scared that you are going to miss out on some pussy, so you don't want to offend her. Fuck that. Offend the shit out of her like SavePros did. My attitude is (and I have told them straight up many times) that I can fuck anybody; why do I need to fuck you?
A lot of times it will be going through her mind that I can't believe this mf is going to tell me what he is not going to do. But guess what. You are being different from all the other men out there. And women are suckers for guys who are different. So they are subject to just fall in line how you tell them. But in SavePros' case, he had a broke ass broad who couldn't even buy her own lunch, so there is no way she could have paid for his. I remember putting on one of my dating site profiles that a woman must have a credit score of something like at least 650. You know how many nasty grams I received about that shit? It's okay for them to have standards that a man must measure up to, but stars forbid if a man calls himself trying to have standards that they must live up to. So it is your job to put them on the spot and make them live up to your expectations AT THE BEGINNING.
Mr Enternational
07-11-14, 02:17
As sad as this story is, there may be an additional tragedy. This girl, from her point of view, may have been legitimate in vacating. She may have been sincere in the date, but the audacity (sic) of a guy refusing to pay.She was not sincere. See there is a little game that women on dating sites play and I have no problem calling them out on it. They can have a different guy take them to eat everyday. That particular day the shit backfired on her. She put a bunch of shit on her plate that SavePros could afford, but she could not. Why else would she put it back and just get an egg roll? I know she didn't just all of a sudden get unhungry.
Carlos3000
07-11-14, 14:35
Can SOMEONE inform me on how to wind down the money payments as the relationship progresses. I've been told that the man can ask the women to pay her half after several months into the relationship?Not sure there's any hard rules as when the date should start going dutch. However, the unwritten rule is that the guy pays on the first day. Even hardened careers women in New York insist on it. They believe it evokes some sort of old fashion chivalry and provides an insight on how much a gentleman we are. Living in New York with all the attendant games women here play, I always went Dutch until I stopped totally dating AW a few years ago. My advise do what works for you.
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