American Women

[Naked Gunz]

I think the Google guy would be alive if he had better taste in women! How does a wealthy Google executive wind up with such a trashy hooker. Okay he was a little over weight, but I thought he had the only qualifications needed to get hot women in the USA- he was rich. Apparently, also stupid.

Isn't she the most hideous man-looking kunt you have ever seen!

[Dickhead]

Well, strung out junkies' booking photos aren't typically going to show them looking their best.

[Latin Bound]

I think the Google guy would be alive if he had better taste in women! How does a wealthy Google executive wind up with such a trashy hooker. Okay he was a little over weight, but I thought he had the only qualifications needed to get hot women in the USA- he was rich. Apparently, also stupid.

Isn't she the most hideous man-looking kunt you have ever seen!Granted that booking pics are not going to show them at their best, there is no way I can understand why this woman was able to be making it as a "high end" prostitute. Average at best.

[Latin Bound]

Check this shit out fellas:

...She stressed (in her profile and on the phone) that she was more interested in meeting folks in person rather than spending a lot of time messaging, so she invited me to lunch. We agreed to meet on Monday (today).


1) She paused to look at the menu prices before we went through the line (cafeteria styled restaurant in where the servers load the food onto your plate based on what you tell them you want). Not too terrible, but it threw me off as you will see in a second.

2) She was in front of me in line, but move behind me and told me I could go first. Didn't think much of it at the time.And this is why I had only one American girlfriend. That was one too many. Never again after that.

[Mr Enternational]

Granted that booking pics are not going to show them at their best, there is no way I can understand why this woman was able to be making it as a "high end" prostitute. Average at best.Anything can be high end if you advertise it that way.

[Latin Bound]

As sad as this story is, there may be an additional tragedy. This girl, from her point of view, may have been legitimate in vacating. She may have been sincere in the date, but the audacity (sic) of a guy refusing to pay.You can bet your sweet life on that one. I would like to be a fly on the wall listening to her version of the story when she tells her girlfriends. Because you know she will. I will not be surprised she even black ball him in the dating site, "Had horrible first date with member so and so. He is a tightwad. Of course I will not mention I am a gold digger."

[Latin Bound]

Anything can be high end if you advertise it that way.The great philosopher strikes again! You are right!

[Latin Bound]

This is a "regular" woman in USA (warning: hambeasts in lingerie)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/20/regular-women-lingerie-photos_n_4308760.html

Feminist motto: if you can't clear the bar, then lower itDear heavens! Is that what is considered "regular" nowadays? This is why I don't visit the AW forum. It makes my blood boil and not in the good way, and I'm forced to comment.

[Naked Gunz]

Dear heavens! Is that what is considered "regular" nowadays? This is why I don't visit the AW forum. It makes my blood boil and not in the good way, and I'm forced to comment.OH YEAH! I read that the AVERAGE size of AW is 22! I couldn't get that fat if I tried. As a sensitive man in the USA your supposed to LOVE & SUPPORT her despite her size. Your also supposed to laugh at the women empowering TV commercials that make men look like such dumbass now.

[MightyMouse1]

I recently had the opportunity of a lifetime when a business trip in the USA put me close to Sheri's Ranch Brothel near Las Vegas Nevada. Before my trip, I checked the website sherisranch.com and picked out a few different women. Brittney Ryder sherisranch.com/lady.aspx?id=477 was at the top of the list. The sex party was wonderful, as others have noted if you read her reviews. Afterwards, she held my hand in the boyfriend and girlfriend style while walking me back to the lobby and asking for a hug goodbye. I hope to be back again.

[BushWhack]

I signed up on AM (Life is short, have an affair) back in February wondering if there really is good sex at the end of the rainbow. I'm still looking. I spent my first 45 credits (introductory sign up, don't remember exact cost. USD 35?) messaging every potential candidate in the 20 mile range "close to me", and I only searched 55 - 65 yr old as I assume young, hot models have no interst in sex with a 59 yr old man. All kinds of weirdness followed, mostly bullshit responses from supermodels 22 - 25 years old living all over the US, Dallas, San Fran, Boston etc. How the hell am I going to have an "affair" with any of these girls? I searched the internet and found an expose from a journalist a few years ago, reported most of these ladies are paid by AM to contact old men and suck up their credits so they buy more credits. Wonderful. But I had invested two payments, the original 35 or so and a follow-up additional 50 before I began to learn what crap this site is.

So I winked or messaged around 60 ladies, and I think 58 of them are / were fake. I did receive a "real" contact, had one nice happy hour followed by some impromptu DATY and very quick sex in her apartment as I had to get back to my home, but that contact imploded due to additional weirdness from AM site (I think this girl had multiple profiles on AM and she "caught" me making a date with a second girl with very similar profile).

So I'm giving up on AM, maybe a little slow to figure it out but I'm there. Actually I had a second "date" with a real person and I intend to see her again and maybe this will actually work, but overall my impression of AM is bad and worse. Multiple fake profiles designed to keep old men spending money with no real sex as part of the "affair".

Anyone else have better or different experience? Other sites are better (Arangments.com or similar)?

[Carlos3000]

So I'm giving up on AM, maybe a little slow to figure it out but I'm there. Actually I had a second "date" with a real person and I intend to see her again and maybe this will actually work, but overall my impression of AM is bad and worse. Multiple fake profiles designed to keep old men spending money with no real sex as part of the "affair".

Anyone else have better or different experience? Other sites are better (Arangments.com or similar)?BW,

Your experience on AM is similar to mine. I signed up right after it started only to realize that most if not all the profiles on AM are fake. As you rightly observed that cook up there's schemes to suck your payments dry so you can buy more. My opinion is that most of the dating sites in the US are full of it. My buddy seems to find good success on plenty of fish but for me I give up.

[SavePros321]

Not sure there's any hard rules as when the date should start going dutch. However, the unwritten rule is that the guy pays on the first day. Even hardened careers women in New York insist on it. They believe it evokes some sort of old fashion chivalry and provides an insight on how much a gentleman we are.Not this day in age. "Chivalry" is synonymous with "Sucker". I tend to take Mr. Enternational's approach in that "I can fuck anyone I want. What makes you so special?"

Any involvement I have with AW's is just to fill in the downtime between my international trips. I couldn't even imagine what a dinner for two with one of those "hardened career women" you mentioned would cost in NY. No doubt they all probably want to be taken to a 5-Star restaurant and order an expensive bottle of wine or champagne on your dime. In fact, I would argue that most women use dating sites to get guys to take them places they wouldn't even be able to afford in the first place!

I can find a very good piece of ass where a live via E C C I E or P 4 1 1 in the range of $150-250/hr, so a lot of times I am not motivated to put in the required "investment" (multiple dates of you paying for everything and still going home with your dick in your hand). Life is too short to have to put up with Blue Balls, LOL.

[D Cups]

. My opinion is that most of the dating sites in the US are full of it. My buddy seems to find good success on plenty of fish but for me I give up.Ditto. I dated one girl from POF for awhile but she was at the threshold of acceptability and ultimately like all other AW turned out to be more trouble than she's worth. Now I just P4 P with a sweet, inexpensive brown sugar who is my little porn queen and takes care of me on call in between international adventures when I can afford them. I get dozens of POF broads contacting me all the time and they are all too old, too fat and too ugly. Geez, I wouldn't do them if I were blind drunk. I'm back to PI in November which is heaven on earth for me.

[Pepe56]

I rode this one for over 6 years as often as I could.

Simply the best sex ever.

Pepe

[Chocha Monger]

Martin Fiebert PhD, does some interesting research on husband-beating in North America. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7HGpkRmodY.

Famous American men who got beaten up, stabbed, or burned with hot grits by American women http://www.11points.com/News-Politics/11_Famous_Men_Who_Were_Beat_Down_By_Their_Women.

[Naked Gunz]

Stephen A. Smith, ESPN analyst apologized for his remarks concerning the Ray Rice incident, in which Rice knocked his wife unconscious in an elevator. Smith remarked initially that women should not provoke the assualts by their men in domestic violence incidents. One word has women calling for Smiths job, or at minimum, a suspension- which happened after the bitches complained some more. The double standand is alive and well in the USA. A witness told police that they saw Rice's then fiance spit in his face, then he hit her.

It's exactly correct that he should not have struck her. He should have just left that kunt right the hell where she was standing, driven home and tossed all her bling-bling jewelry, clothes in the street and never seen her again. He would have hurt her waaaaay more than hitting her. Now Rice is a pariah, and he ended up marrying the girl so she could not be compelled to testify against him. I'm sure he had no chance of a pre-nupt at that point. Chad Johnson-aka Ochocino- was dumped by the Dolphins after head-butting his new wife during an argument after just joining the team.

Rice, as is Ochocino, are idiots. Both too stupid to know they are seven figure players in the NFL. They could have any women they want. They both chose to be with finger wagging, in your face Black women (yes I'm Black). Look at Ochocino -Chad Johnson-now. Washed up in the CFL. The woman is gone with half his money. Any one that saw them interact on that lame reality show could see the train wreck coming. She was constantly "provoking" him and in his face. The lady was a goldigger of epic proportion, and he did not see it.

All Smith was pointing out how women enjoy the double standard and hit you, spit on you while knowing they have the law too scared to act. My ex kicked me in the leg and left me bleeding which met the standard of domestic battery, yet the cops who answered my 911 did nothing.

Fact: Women determine all spending in 80% of all married American households. Fact: The actual sperm count of men has been DECLINING in American men (due to feminization).

I am stuck in this on the Isle of Lesbos called America for the next year after banging my way through Africa, Asia and the Mid-East for the last 9 years. God help me.

[KaveMan]

I thought I would share my formula for banging about two dozen hot, slim women online / year via online dating sites.

This had been a 4 yr process and I have fine-tuned a system that consistently allows you to bang hot babes (8+, 30, $25).

Join the largest dating site in your region.

Join the 12 mo. Plan, should be about $10-15/ mo.

Download their app to your phone.

Set up a profile with min. 12 photos (suit & tie; jeans & fitted dress shirts; nice apt / house; photos near sports-car, plane, or boat; photos on beach / lake; photos w / women, etc).

Write profile w /12 bullet points, highlighting success, masculine traits, & seductive language:

-Lawyer, Tech Exec, Dr. , Banker, Entrepreneur, or Investor, etc.

-Top School.

-Top Award.

-Scuba Diver.

-Alpha Male.

-Race motorcycles, cars or planes.

-Ski Black Diamond.

-Sensual Massage.

-Deep Kisser.

-Hard Body. Etc.

Every single day send 50 emails to women between 18-29, slim, 7-10 in looks (15 AM; 20 Lunch; 15 at dinner) with cut / paste message: "Hello, How is your week so far".

Every single response reply: "Lets have Cocktails, Lounge 123,8 pm, Tonight, Name / cell#" Pick bar near you to limit travel cost, time, and return trip with gal.

No other messages; chit / chat; texts. Just time, place, confirm day of at noon and 1 hr before.

Above results in outbound:

350 emails / week.

1,500 emails / month.

18,000 emails / yr.

This will roughly produce:

2 dates per week.

8 dates per month.

96 dates per year.

On dates buy only 1 drink ($25 max); after 45 min suggest 2nd drink back at your place which is within walking distance. If no, walk away.

Out of the 96 dates about 24 will go back to your place have drinks, chat, relax and have sex with you.

So 75% of the time you will fail.

Out of 18,000 emails only 24 will result in sex.

Out of $2,400 cost (96 X $25/ date) you will have sex 24 times.

Note: in early experience you will fail more (eg, sex with 6-12 women); but benefit from beginners luck as you will come across lots of women who just want sex.

This is the only system that has worked for me for 15 minutes per day, 45 min per date and $25; consistently banging 24, hot, an sexy women per year.

[SinglePro]

KaveMan, I've read many of your posts (on the Zurich and German forums) on your sexual conquest history and how you scored online dating chics in the 9-10 range with your number strategy. I'm impressed. You've lived a life style that probably a lot of guys wish to have. I mean living a successful bachelor style with elite finance job, dating Hollywood actresses, sleeping with runaway models, banging UCLA co-eds,. Are you serious? Damm! What else could you possibly want? :- You didn't have to spend a lot of cash going out with them either. You're able to spend only $25/ date and $10 K over four years. That's all you spent? Are you kidding me? You must be a hell of sweet talkers or some kind of hot looking dude.

I wish I have that much luck on different dating sites. Granted I did not try the 50 emails / day approach. It seems somewhat exhausting to do 50 emails / day even if you cut and paste. I didn't know bankers have so much extra time. :- You do have a lot patience man. Even if I tried, I'm not sure I would have even got that much success. I guess I don't fit in certain profile. I believe that your 12 photos / bullet points technique with one line email message only works if you're a tall Caucasian male or some kind of hot looking guy. What I have experienced is that if the profile is listed as Caucasian from 5'10" and above, that profile got the most responses. If the profile is a non Caucasian male, you can pretty much forget about getting reply from any white chics if at all. That is something a friend of mine (who happens to be a Physician) and I tested out that theory by posting the exact same profile (without photos) as different males by simply changing the height and race factors, the results were astoundingly different. We're both highly educated and have well paying jobs.

You've mentioned Match dot com. I thought that website is full of women who want serious long term relationship, not one night stand. What you seem to be saying is that many women from that website kind of want some kind of quick hook up sex. What other websites have you tried? What about those Sugar Daddy websites? Have you had much experience with that?

Anyway, I wonder why you even need to try FKKs. Are you sure you don't want to continue with what you have been going for you? J / k. I'm about your age, also from the States, and have been FKK-ing, few times a year, for the past dozen years. To me doing the FKK thing is kind of like trying to fulfill certain needs that I couldn't achieve through other legitimate means like online dating or meeting in clubs. You're already a mongering pro. I'the love to read about your first FKK experience and see how you like it. Perhaps, we can get together or meet at an FKK site so I can learn more about your online dating philosophy. Who knows!

[Carlos3000]

Above results in outbound:

350 emails / week.

1,500 emails / month.

18,000 emails / yr.Dude,

I was exhausted just reading this. 350 emails / wk? This sounds more like work. Plus it still does not change the fundamental thing about why most of us on this board do not like AM: attitude. But thanks for sharing.

[Dickhead]

"Out of $2,400 cost (96 X $25/ date) you will have sex 24 times".

So $100 a pop and you waste an incredible amount of time and energy. Stuff like this is why mongering is a no-brainer.

[KaveMan]

"Out of $2,400 cost (96 X $25/ date) you will have sex 24 times".

So $100 a pop and you waste an incredible amount of time and energy. Stuff like this is why mongering is a no-brainer.Wasting time: well its 2 dates per week; 45 min. Each; 25 yards from my house. Most guys waste this amount of time watching TV or porn / masturbating. So, not a waste.

Wasting energy: double tap copy / paste message in app while in meetings, line, or toilet. Not much wasted energy here.

Wasted $100: well $100 is lowest going rate for 9-10's on this planet.

Wasted 24 times sex: Having sex 24 times a year with normal / non-hookers is top 0.001% of performance for males.

[KaveMan]

Dude,

I was exhausted just reading this. 350 emails / wk? This sounds more like work. Plus it still does not change the fundamental thing about why most of us on this board do not like AM: attitude. But thanks for sharing.Yes, its not for the lazy.

I never joined Facebook, Instagram, twitter, etc. So I didn't waste that time and I have not wasted a minute or $ in bars, clubs, or anywhere trying to pickup women.

I only go to lounge to meet a woman who is confirmed arriving, hot and has interest.

So, the double-tap cut & paste of 15 messages at coffee, lunch & dinner is pretty efficient.

Its # game strategy and as all know in sales. Its produces quick, easy and predictable results.

[KaveMan]

KaveMan, I've read many of your posts (on the Zurich and German forums) on your sexual conquest history and how you scored online dating chics in the 9-10 range with your number strategy. I'm impressed. You've lived a life style that probably a lot of guys wish to have. I mean living a successful bachelor style with elite finance job, dating Hollywood actresses, sleeping with runaway models, banging UCLA co-eds,. Are you serious? Damm! What else could you possibly want? :- You didn't have to spend a lot of cash going out with them either. You're able to spend only $25/ date and $10 K over four years. That's all you spent? Are you kidding me? You must be a hell of sweet talkers or some kind of hot looking dude.SinglePro,

Thanks for your message.

-Re: Lifestyle; yes its real but required working 9 am to 12 am for about 15 years; plus add '97 Asian, '98 Russian, . Com; 9/11; '08 crises for ups / downs. So, yes I want to enjoy results as well as I can.

-Re: approach, $, Sweet-talk, hot looks: my approach to all is same. I am a dominant man who has plenty of self respect; whose time & money are important. Women's DNA loves dominant men and they realize after 45 min you are not some "nice guy" or can me manipulated so they put out or leave. It screens out all the time wasters and leaves the nymphos.

-One clarification; per original posts in Moscow / German / Swiss forums the 9-10's, Models, Actresses, co-eds, were fewer in #s but definitely occurred in 25% of results.

75% of results are in the 6-8 category that is still fine, but once you have had 10, you need more. I was under impression Moscow had 9-10's in brothel-clubs (nightflight); not true. So was sent to Globe and FKK in search of stunners / spinners. Getting access to dozens of 9-10's (if true) in few days is unreal.

-Certain Profile: I am not typical caucasian; more Mediterranean. When you send out 18,000 emails per year you response rates crush whatever anomalies are out there. 18,000 is a tidal wave that allows you to do the picking not the women.

-Dating websites: Match is the largest (8+ million) and best. The women there are young, single, available, and paying $40/ mo to be looking. 50-75% of Women have sex on first date; Studs know this and keep this to themselves. When you meet them and come up with some statement like: "lets go to my place to see my art, photos, music" its a socially acceptable way for her to agree to "lets fuck". Guys are brainwashed into spending $ hundreds / thousands because they don't have balls to ask women to fuck. Women know what you want; the hypocrisy continues only if you let it.

-Why FKKs: Well 96 dates per year takes time. Not in getting the dates; but in fucking them. Fucking them takes first time; then multiple nights till 3 am banging the shit out of them fueled by food, drinks and rest next day. The 6-7-8's really eat up this time; while the 9-10's tend to be true one-night stands. She's in town for one night; she usually bangs celebrities / athletes /$ guys and your a one-off; she's 19-21 and daylight of next day ends it. So eventually, you look for ways to get the 9-10's via easier methods.

-Why do online dating: Well its seems like most mongers manage 2-6 week-trips to FKKS. That leaves 50-46 weeks left to date your wife or cougars or? Thats where it works.

-Join forces: Yes, happy to.

[Mascarado]

SinglePro,

-Dating websites: Match is the largest (8+ million) and best. The women there are young, single, available, and paying $40/ mo to be looking. 50-75% of Women have sex on first date; Studs know this and keep this to themselves. When you meet them and come up with some statement like: "lets go to my place to see my art, photos, music" its a socially acceptable way for her to agree to "lets fuck". Guys are brainwashed into spending $ hundreds / thousands because they don't have balls to ask women to fuck. Women know what you want; the hypocrisy continues only if you let it.Couldn't have said it better.

To any man playing the dating game in US:

Guys who spend the money on women without getting laid will spend their time complaining about female psychology, when guys who fuck them will exploit it.

Don't be the former, and realize women want to fuck just as much as you do, but they are prioritizing different filters, e. G. , status, strength, social proof, etc. As opposed to what we are looking for, e. G. , big tits, beautiful face, great legs, etc.

To Kaveman:

I'm not as experienced in the web scene and P4 P scene abroad, and P4 P scene in US is horrible to say the least.

I've been trying Mamba for Russia and will now try Match for US. Any other recommendations like EU websites, Iceland, etc.

In your experience, what are the top 5 P4 P areas in EU, Nordic, and Russian areas? I've only been to German scene so far, but will be venturing to UK / Ireland area, Holland, Austria, and Ukraine (given Putin doesn't nuke it).

BTW any advice from anyone other than Kaveman is welcome, TIA.

[Naked Gunz]

If I have to send out 49.31 emails per day of original bullshyt in each email, that just reflects the sad state of affairs of American men regarding getting laid. Unfortunately, I am again knee deep in it. After traveling the world banging sweet young things for little or no effort (charm or a couple bucks) for 10 years, I again am saddled in the good ole USA, land of pussy whipped.

Me: 55 yo, no grey hair, 6 foot ,200 athletic. Signed up for POF and the only response to my profile was the sweet thing in the pic. Says she "Smokes often". Ewwwww! I really don't even want to try to deal with the ass kissing dating game. If I get lucky on the street so be it. I will be here for one year in school before I can get back in a plane and get back into action. Woe is freakin me.

[ThatGuy865]

I'd say. Kaveman's plan is just statistics. Pooling from a selection which by virtue of them signing up to a dating site already lets you know they are in the market. By responding says has a look they like. So then the only thing left is whether they accept his attitude and how open are they to sex.

But the issue for many with KaveMan plan.

It is definitely is a lot of work. 24 out 96 dates work. Meaning you go on 72 duds.

Not everyone has a resto or place to meet within a block of home as he does. So the travel time spent meeting on 72 duds can be enormous. As I don't think you can set up meets with very many 9 and 10's. At McDonalds.

Also you are not just sending 50 emails a day. There is time reading thru responses which has to grow as the responses from each 50 from the previous days come in. This takes some serious dedication. It has to be close to a second job.

[Carlos3000]

If I have to send out 49.31 emails per day of original bullshyt in each email, that just reflects the sad state of affairs of American men regarding getting laid. NK,

Couldn't have said it better. Why should a man work so hard just to get laid! Even after working so hard you still have to deal with the stupid attitude of most. In most parts of Asia, Africa and Latin America one can get laid for little or no effort.

[Mascarado]

If I have to send out 49.31 emails per day of original bullshyt in each email, that just reflects the sad state of affairs of American men regarding getting laid. Unfortunately, I am again knee deep in it. After traveling the world banging sweet young things for little or no effort (charm or a couple bucks) for 10 years, I again am saddled in the good ole USA, land of pussy whipped.

Me: 55 yo, no grey hair, 6 foot ,200 athletic. Signed up for POF and the only response to my profile was the sweet thing in the pic. Says she "Smokes often". Ewwwww! I really don't even want to try to deal with the ass kissing dating game. If I get lucky on the street so be it. I will be here for one year in school before I can get back in a plane and get back into action. Woe is freakin me.Interested to know what areas you had most "fun" in with those sweet things? Russia, EU, Iceland, all of the above?

Though I'm not as experienced in the online dating game, so can't say as much, I'm sure you'll have no trouble picking up women on the street if you just go after what you want.

I have a scorched earth policy to where I hit on everything that I find to be 6+, and yields about roughly about 10-20% if you concentrate on making a good first impression, getting the number, and getting out asap (unless there's a green light).

Anyway, good luck with school and I'm sure it won't be that bad. But yeah, I'm currently in EU and see a significantly higher hit rate given the lack of entitlement and less prudish attitude you see in the states.

[D Cups]

If I have to send out 49.31 emails per day of original bullshyt in each email, that just reflects the sad state of affairs of American men regarding getting laid. Unfortunately, I am again knee deep in it. After traveling the world banging sweet young things for little or no effort (charm or a couple bucks) for 10 years, I again am saddled in the good ole USA, land of pussy whipped.

Me: 55 yo, no grey hair, 6 foot ,200 athletic. Signed up for POF and the only response to my profile was the sweet thing in the pic. Says she "Smokes often". Ewwwww! I really don't even want to try to deal with the ass kissing dating game. If I get lucky on the street so be it. I will be here for one year in school before I can get back in a plane and get back into action. Woe is freakin me.Ya, I can relate. Most of the POF girls are whales who want to be wined and dined. No way. I just look at their profiles and save up for Asia or Carribean or Tijuana.

[Naked Gunz]

Interested to know what areas you had most "fun" in with those sweet things? Russia, EU, Iceland, all of the above?Though I'm not as experienced in the online dating game, so can't say as much, I'm sure you'll have no trouble picking up women on the street if you just go after what you want..Ha! What I want, is at least 20 years younger, and social rules in the US prevent such unless your a sugar daddy. Those lines are way blurred outside this puritanical mecca. Hot women in my age group are now Cougars or want somebody with Oprah money in return for being a hot older woman.


I have a scorched earth policy to where I hit on everything that I find to be 6+, and yields about roughly about 10-20% Yeah, those odds are too low for that much work. I used to do well in clubs, but now I'm scared of a DUI and just not into that anymore. But opportunity knocks, it's not impossible. I'm not hideous. I have not been to Europe since I was a very young buck sailor in the 70's /80's. Back then there was no Inet, bang tourism or women traveling worldwide to give it up. I rarely got anything. My hangouts are now Mid-East, Africa and Asia. Being a black guy, I find Kenya awesome, even with it's many issues. Bubblebutts and boobs on very willing twenty-something's all over the place! Phils women are very sweet, but dumb-Thai women cool to bang, but they are pretty close to being the worst in the world. They destroy many a life including their own. I would do any Western Europe country now. I'm too scared of Eastern Europe (Russia, ect) because of the neo-Nazi type nationalists. They would assume I'm an immigrant and beat the crap out of me, and I'm way too pretty to take a beating.


Ya, I can relate. Most of the POF girls are whales who want to be wined and dined. No way. I just look at their profiles and save up for Asia or Carribean or Tijuana.There are some nice ones on there, but (A): I'm in school for a year. Women DO NOT want to hear from a guy without a job, even though I have six figures in the bank from working in Iraq / Afghan. Nice looking women are usually pretty material, esp the sistas! (B): I'm training to work on a ship. These women want a relationship, so I'm off the list because I'm learning how to leave. A man is still a MAN the world over except the USA where women control 80% of the finances in the households. Yeah, I think I will just work on me for now.

[RonnyRon]

Ha! What I want, is at least 20 years younger, and social rules in the US prevent such unless your a sugar daddy. Those lines are way blurred outside this puritanical mecca. Hot women in my age group are now Cougars or want somebody with Oprah money in return for being a hot older woman.

Yeah, those odds are too low for that much work. I used to do well in clubs, but now I'm scared of a DUI and just not into that anymore. But opportunity knocks, it's not impossible. I'm not hideous. I have not been to Europe since I was a very young buck sailor in the 70's /80's. Back then there was no Inet, bang tourism or women traveling worldwide to give it up. I rarely got anything. My hangouts are now Mid-East, Africa and Asia. Being a black guy, I find Kenya awesome, even with it's many issues. Bubblebutts and boobs on very willing twenty-something's all over the place! Phils women are very sweet, but dumb-Thai women cool to bang, but they are pretty close to being the worst in the world. They destroy many a life including their own. I would do any Western Europe country now. I'm too scared of Eastern Europe (Russia, ect) because of the neo-Nazi type nationalists. They would assume I'm an immigrant and beat the crap out of me, and I'm way too pretty to take a beating.

There are some nice ones on there, but (A): I'm in school for a year. Women DO NOT want to hear from a guy without a job, even though I have six figures in the bank from working in Iraq / Afghan. Nice looking women are usually pretty material, esp the sistas! (B): I'm training to work on a ship. These women want a relationship, so I'm off the list because I'm learning how to leave. A man is still a MAN the world over except the USA where women control 80% of the finances in the households. Yeah, I think I will just work on me for now.I believe you hit several nails on the head! Amen!

RR.

[TellAll]

If I have to send out 49.31 emails per day of original bullshyt in each email, that just reflects the sad state of affairs of American men regarding getting laid. Unfortunately, I am again knee deep in it. After traveling the world banging sweet young things for little or no effort (charm or a couple bucks) for 10 years, I again am saddled in the good ole USA, land of pussy whipped.

Me: 55 yo, no grey hair, 6 foot ,200 athletic. Signed up for POF and the only response to my profile was the sweet thing in the pic. Says she "Smokes often". Ewwwww! I really don't even want to try to deal with the ass kissing dating game. If I get lucky on the street so be it. I will be here for one year in school before I can get back in a plane and get back into action. Woe is freakin me.Been on POF myself. Nothing of interest there for me. Guess that's why I have been in Asia for three months. Bouncing from Thailand to Cambodia.

I live in Texas. They say everything is bigger in Texas and that includes the women. The idea of wining and dining some fat girl in the hopes of getting laid, I will pass.

The fact that we are on this board tells me we are more worldly than most men who have no idea what is available or know and to scared to leave there comfort zone to go out and get it.

Now, I go home to rest before my next adventure. I don't even bother with women there. To much work for to little reward.

Gunz, been hearing good things from some guys here about Kenya. Drop me a PM and give me your opinions if you get a chance.

[Vvnbuw]

I quite agree with that. Do you feel a little sad when you share your experience outside with your local friends and no one understand / care at all?


The fact that we are on this board tells me we are more worldly than most men who have no idea what is available or know and to scared to leave there comfort zone to go out and get it.

[Naked Gunz]

I quite agree with that. Do you feel a little sad when you share your experience outside with your local friends and no one understand / care at all?I see stats on the news and get depressed when I here how Americans never travel, are afraid to lose their jobs if they take too much time off, work when they are sick, ect. Yet the gdamn Europeans are taking months off at a time! That's all I see are stuck-up Brits, Aussie and French a-holes who only want to talk with each other (especially in Thailand, my God they think they own freakin Thailand when only control some of Pattaya) and I never have a Yank to bullshyt with. Even Arabs and Russians have their own sections of the damn city. Americans are SLAVES to the tax stealing, over workin, women owning system. You will go to jail if you pay for pussy, get drunk in the street and just have some damn fun. Can't wait to fuckin leave so I can be a MAN and not a bytch. Thank God my life has not been dedicated to punching in and out of work cause it is only using me, not me using it.

[TellAll]

I quite agree with that. Do you feel a little sad when you share your experience outside with your local friends and no one understand / care at all?I don't even tell my friends about my trips anymore. Either they don't believe me or they say, "but you are paying for those women".

I then have to remind them they have been paying for the same piece for 20 years and not getting any of that.

It's funny, when we watch a game together and they show a hot chearleader they freeze frame so they can salivate over her.

When I tell them I had one finer then that last time I was in Colombia, they look at me in disbelief and say, yeah right.

All I can do is laugh. LOL.

[D Cups]

. Americans are SLAVES to the tax stealing, over workin, women owning system. You will go to jail if you pay for pussy, get drunk in the street and just have some damn fun. Can't wait to fuckin leave so I can be a MAN and not a bytch. Thank God my life has not been dedicated to punching in and out of work cause it is only using me, not me using it.NG, are you an American? There are many Americans who do travel, unattached, for work and fun, and don't fit your stereotype. I'm one of them. Yes, most of us have a high work ethic, but there are many exceptions. As for getting street drunk and paying for pussy: guilty. As for the corporate broads, yes, they have infiltrated everything for better or for worse. I personally think AWs are the worst women in the world. Nice to look at but don't touch unless P4 P. If you work for one the less she knows about you, the better. Just do what these menopausal psychotics want at work and you will be fine. Pump the money pump. My plan is to retire in the PI in 2022 and get the hell out of sex prison once and for all. Til then I'll continue to seek sexual gratification in SEA, the Caribbean and Tijuana. Oh and a regular P4 P arrangement with my brown sugar. Regards.

[D Cups]

I don't even tell my friends about my trips anymore. Either they don't believe me or they say, "but you are paying for those women".

I then have to remind them they have been paying for the same piece for 20 years and not getting any of that.

It's funny, when we watch a game together and they show a hot chearleader they freeze frame so they can salivate over her.

When I tell them I had one finer then that last time I was in Colombia, they look at me in disbelief and say, yeah right.

All I can do is laugh. LOL.Right on, TA. Never been to Colombia but your point is well taken. If a critical mass of American men found out how good it is outside the USA There would be exponential divorce and departure.

[Dickhead]

If a critical mass of American men found out how good it is outside the USA There would be exponential divorce and departure.Fuck, don't even bother to divorce them. That costs money. Just leave the country and leave her fat ass at home. After seven years she can have you declared dead. Fuck her.

[Carlos3000]

Fuck, don't even bother to divorce them. That costs money. Just leave the country and leave her fat ass at home. After seven years she can have you declared dead. Fuck her.Guys,

Dickhead is dropping serious wisdom here. This will save you a lot of money and headache. I wished I heard wisdom like this before my divorce. Just remember that American matrimonial laws are not your friend. Protect yourself!

[Naked Gunz]

NG, are you an American? .Yep.


There are many Americans who do travel, unattached, for work and fun, and don't fit your stereotype. I'm one of them. .Yeah, I meant waaaaay overseas is where I don't see many Americans. Just retired Navy in the Phils is about it. Stats I got are that there are 300 million+ Americans (legal or illegal). Only half of them own passports, and only half of THEM ever use them. When I go to Kenya, the plane is usually empty! The bulk of American men are saddled with fat wives and kids, ignorant of life on the other side of the world or simply can't afford to get on a plane to anywhere. Vacations consist of going to see grandma, going camping or having the WIFE decide where your going.


If you work for one the less she knows about you, the better. Just do what these menopausal psychotics want at work and you will be fine..Yeah, I worked for a lesbian in Kandahar. We used to talk and joke about our girlfriends in Thailand. The next thing I knew she was writing me up with some fabricated shyt! If you work for a man-bytch, document every freakin day and every word between you two.

[ThatGuy865]

Yep.

When I go to Kenya, the plane is usually empty! The bulk of American men are saddled with fat wives and kids, ignorant of life on the other side of the world or simply can't afford to get on a plane to anywhere. Vacations consist of going to see grandma, going camping or having the WIFE decide where your going.
Contrary to some beliefs. Every man does not desire multiple women nor want to be with 20 yr old while they are 50 or 60 . Many are content with their wives and kids. And couldn't think of any place or woman on earth to be.

As far as your plane to Kenya being empty. Who the hell wants to go to Kenya for vacation any way. If you're not into Safari's. Why would anyone want to go there. I travel and don't see myself ever going there either. So that a silly assumption based on that.

Now how many go to Paris, London, Caribbean, Mexico, Canada. Millions. Places that American's feel relatively comfortable. The USA Had the largest contingent of fans at the World cup in Brazil. So they travel. Just not big on 3rd world monger locations. And why should they. As most don't monger.

Some guys live in a bubble if they think every man wants to monger. But is held down by some woman. Some men actually think of their wives as their best friends and could not think of living without them.

You guys don't like AW women cool. But guys who do, are not suffering just because you are not into them. MANY think the 3rd world P4 P thing is for hard up losers. So it goes both ways. They think P4 P guys are pathetic and P4 P guys think they have it made.

[Naked Gunz]

Contrary to some beliefs. Huh? Where did the hypocrite with over 500 posts (some bragging about having 5 girls) come from? You are truly a POS!

"Content with their wives and kids"...

Yeah, I used to watch the Brady Bunch and believed it was true too. Guess what the dad was GAY! What's really going on in these households. Alcoholism, drug use, infidelity, fighting over money, work two jobs to survive, spoiled kids that put you in jail if you discipline. Marriage is overrated. But Joes like you can have all you want. Its so great to be young and idealistic. Its even better to be old and done with it with a new chica every time I want. My problems are behind me.

"You guys don't like AW women cool. But guys who do, are not suffering just because you are not into them"...

American divorce rate is still over 50%. Who do you think your kidding? Again, why did you decide to attack me, when your banging poor Pinays 5 at a time?

[SavePros321]

Some guys live in a bubble if they think every man wants to monger. But is held down by some woman. Some men actually think of their wives as their best friends and could not think of living without them.
Or maybe it is that every man on ISG is here to learn about mongering? I think you meant to post this tripe over at Trip Advisor.

Most of us give two shits what married guys with kids are doing. There is no global initiative that I am aware of to convert all married men into mongers. You sound like one of those guys bitter that they cannot use the "fishing trip in Colombia" excuse with the wife anymore after the Secret Service/Cartagena hooker scandal blew your cover.

Why you would come preaching to the choir on a mongering board beats the hell out of me.

[ThatGuy865]

American divorce rate is still over 50%. Who do you think your kidding? Again, why did you decide to attack me, when your banging poor Pinays 5 at a time?Just because divorce rates are 50% doesn't mean the guy is tired of AW. Just THAT woman.

I didn't attack you, just your statement that because flights to Kenya were empty meant American's didn't travel or know anything about what's outside of the country. I merely pointed out. Kenya is NOT a desirable location. And that is the reason for empty flights. Bet flights to London, Paris, Germany aren't empty.

As for me banging pinays. Hell yeah I have been around the world banging a lot of nationalities. But that doesn't mean I think they are better than AW. Just different. Those are vacations. Not my life. 2 to 4 weeks out of year. The other 48. I'm on AW like rat to cheese.

I merely stated for the record. That many men are happy being married. Yes. Maybe marriages don't last til "Death do us part" any longer. Mainly because we live longer than when marriage as an institution originated. So yes people divorce. But then many of those marry again for a 2nd time. Must be something good about it. Everyone seems to try it once and many twice or more.

But I guess, anyone with a different opinion shouldn't comment. So continue with your. "AW" Hate a thon. Members only welcomed.

[Naked Gunz]

Just because divorce rates are 50% doesn't mean the guy is tired of AW. Just THAT woman..Then your missing the point totally. Why play Russian roulette with one bullet in two chambers.


Kenya is NOT a desirable location. ..For you, yeah Africa is not for the weak, hypocritical part time monger. I aint goin there for the fluffy pillows.



2 to 4 weeks out of year. The other 48. I'm on AW like rat to cheese...Two weeks! Try 40 years and 50+ countries then talk to me. Actually my last nine years have been outside the USA. Which gives me total clarity when I return. So you your the worst kind of hypocrite that cheats on his woman when gone.


But I guess, anyone with a different opinion shouldn't comment. So continue with your. "AW" Hate a thon. Members only welcomed.I gladly support everyone's right to an opinion, I'm just truly amazed that you picked me to quote and go after with such venom, for as long as this AW forum has existed!

I can only conclude that you saw my Africa comments and pulled out your Klan robe and Bible. By all means there are dozens of members you can quote here and diss. Don't stop with me.

[Chocha Monger]

Here is a look at one of those happy relationships with an American woman. http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/08/ray-rice-elevator-knockout-fiancee-takes-crushing-punch-video/.

[Mr Enternational]

I see stats on the news and get depressed when I here how Americans never travelAmericans never travel?

[Naked Gunz]

HEHEHEHEH! I love "Two & A Half Men" with Charlie Sheen- not that well-groomed metrosexual fanook Astson Koocher. The show is tanking since he joined. It's amazing such a masterpiece with the premise of an alcoholic, hoe-mongering commitment phobic stayed on the air so long in Fem-merica. HEHEHE! LMAO!

[Chocha Monger]

The radical feminists are now going after the NFL. They were not placated with the termination of Ray Rice's contract. If they succeed it may set a precedent for going after the employers of other men involved in domestic violence incidents. Yet, Beyonce's sister was not subject to the same public outrage when she kicked Jay-Z's ass in the elevator.

[Naked Gunz]

It would not even happen in femi nazi land!

http://mashable.com/2014/09/15/colombian-cycling-uniform/

[Carlos3000]

The radical feminists are now going after the NFL. They were not placated with the termination of Ray Rice's contract. If they succeed it may set a precedent for going after the employers of other men involved in domestic violence incidents. Yet, Beyonce's sister was not subject to the same public outrage when she kicked Jay-Z's ass in the elevator.CM,

You know already that they will never go against the sisterhood. Men victims of domestic abuse will never engender the same outrage because it's not good copy. Ask any man whose' ever had to deal with the authorities on issues of domestic violence. Even the cops that arrive on the scene assume the man is the culprit. I still blame Ray Rice's bad judgement for this whole affair. Regardless how provoked he was, (being spit at), he should have walk away. Punch something else, a wall, something! Take it from someone who endured years of abuse at the hand of a woman that wanted to dominate the relationship. You need to be almost like Martin Luther King. Retaliation is so not worth it, especially for a public figure like him. Trust me I wanted to level my ex wife so much but then rational thinking kicked in. Guys don't do it, even when it's justified. It's not worth it.

Stay safe.

[ThatGuy865]

The radical feminists are now going after the NFL. They were not placated with the termination of Ray Rice's contract. If they succeed it may set a precedent for going after the employers of other men involved in domestic violence incidents. Yet, Beyonce's sister was not subject to the same public outrage when she kicked Jay-Z's ass in the elevator.You can't compare Ray Rice incident with Beyonce's sister. That is preposterous.

Its not only women calling for change. Many men, and Ex NFL players themselves are demanding the NFL do something.

Ray rice has the opportunity to appeal his suspension and is doing so.

[Naked Gunz]

We have evolved from the days of the weekly, drunken Saturday beating of the wife. Women demand and receive equality in the home and workplace. The pedulum has swung to their side and they certainly won't let it swing back towards the middle. The middle is where men get some semblace of respect and acknowledgement of what they contribute in the home except the tie on Fathers day. Madison Avenue commercial pimps and some women (I won't generalize) have you as incompetent boobs that can't handle a thing in your own home. When I became a married homeowner I cooked, cleaned, did yard work, watched my kid and did endless home improvement projects- all alone. Along with her regular job my ex- worked part-time for 5 years every weekend and spent all that money on clothes and shoes to the point she broke my kids closet and ours. When I asked her to cool it she gave me a big fat no! She worked hard FOR HER, and was always tired and was asleep by 7 PM everyday.

When we went to "counseling", she went to her trump card; started the tears and the counselors were all over me. Listen, no person should be hit, or punched, especially a smaller, weaker person. You will just regret it later (while locked up). All I ever did was swat mine on the ass with a towel and she called the cops. No handcuffs that time, but that's when I knew it was over. It never gets better after LE is ever called. But lets face it, living with another person is probably the hardest thing you will ever do. I am an only kid, so I can handle being alone, but some guys can't. They get married because they NEED somebody to be around. Marriage is completely overrated and outdated. Let the Gays get married all they want, I don't F'ing care. Women only do it because of the fairy tale, or they don't want to keep getting used and dumped. Men because prostitution is illegal, pressure from the fam, all the buddies do it, or can't handle four walls alone.

Ray Rice was too dumb to realize he HAD the power before he walked in that elevator. Was she running for first downs? If baby mama gives you trouble get another bytch, your a millionaire. Yeah child support is going to hurt, but you can afford it. Now the femi nazi are vilifying both of them! Grandpa was right" They're like busses, another comes along eventually" Just have the vaseline handy till it does,(much easier life).

[TellAll]

We have evolved from the days of the weekly, drunken Saturday beating of the wife. Women demand and receive equality in the home and workplace. The pedulum has swung to their side and they certainly won't let it swing back towards the middle. The middle is where men get some semblace of respect and acknowledgement of what they contribute in the home except the tie on Fathers day. Madison Avenue commercial pimps and some women (I won't generalize) have you as incompetent boobs that can't handle a thing in your own home. When I became a married homeowner I cooked, cleaned, did yard work, watched my kid and did endless home improvement projects- all alone. Along with her regular job my ex- worked part-time for 5 years every weekend and spent all that money on clothes and shoes to the point she broke my kids closet and ours. When I asked her to cool it she gave me a big fat no! She worked hard FOR HER, and was always tired and was asleep by 7 PM everyday.

When we went to "counseling", she went to her trump card; started the tears and the counselors were all over me. Listen, no person should be hit, or punched, especially a smaller, weaker person. You will just regret it later (while locked up). All I ever did was swat mine on the ass with a towel and she called the cops. No handcuffs that time, but that's when I knew it was over. It never gets better after LE is ever called. But lets face it, living with another person is probably the hardest thing you will ever do. I am an only kid, so I can handle being alone, but some guys can't. They get married because they NEED somebody to be around. Marriage is completely overrated and outdated. Let the Gays get married all they want, I don't F'ing care. Women only do it because of the fairy tale, or they don't want to keep getting used and dumped. Men because prostitution is illegal, pressure from the fam, all the buddies do it, or can't handle four walls alone.

Ray Rice was too dumb to realize he HAD the power before he walked in that elevator. Was she running for first downs? If baby mama gives you trouble get another bytch, your a millionaire. Yeah child support is going to hurt, but you can afford it. Now the femi nazi are vilifying both of them! Grandpa was right" They're like busses, another comes along eventually" Just have the vaseline handy till it does,(much easier life).I agree totally. When LE is called on you, it's time for you to get out.

A friend of mine said something the other day that made perfect sense. He said in America a woman's biggest fear is that you don't want to fuck them. Once that happens they realize they have no more power over you and you have the power.

As I sit in my condo here in Pattaya, preparing for another night of fun with many who are willing, all I can say is amen.

[RonnyRon]

You can't compare Ray Rice incident with Beyonce's sister. That is preposterous.

Its not only women calling for change. Many men, and Ex NFL players themselves are demanding the NFL do something.

Ray rice has the opportunity to appeal his suspension and is doing so.Because she is a woman and not a man? You must be woman! It was the exact same thing! JayZ is just richer, smarter guy!

RR.

[D Cups]

so I can handle being alone, but some guys can't. They get married because they NEED somebody to be around. Marriage is completely overrated and outdated. .Agreed. My advice, guys, is to get a dog. Women could learn a lot from a dog. Dogs don't care how many women you bang as long as they get fed and attended to. Dogs are way more lovable than AW. If I could put my dog's brain in a sexy woman I might marry her her.

[Chocha Monger]

That guy needs to explain why it is not the same thing when a woman physically assaults a man. It's probably the same argument women use, the claim that they are too weak to cause a man physical harm or pain. Yet, women serve as law enforcement officers, soldiers, and marines. These are all occupations that require the ability to physically dominate, even kill, other people regardless of gender. So, why is it women are suddenly too weak to be guilty of domestic assault? Let's say it was another man who spat on Ray Rice and slapped him in the face before he retaliated. Would there be the same amount of outrage?

Jodi Arias did not seem to have much of a problem murdering Travis Alexander. Should she be released from prison because it is not the same thing when a woman murders a man?

[Cagep1967]

It would not even happen in femi nazi land!

http://mashable.com/2014/09/15/colombian-cycling-uniform/Even after reading the article and staring at the picture I had a "hard" time determining that the flesh colored part was part of the design. While a stupid design for a cycling suit it still is brilliant. I think women should where something like this all the time. I personally love it.

[Naked Gunz]

staring at the picture I had a "hard" time determining that the flesh colored part was part of the design. I know huh! I just knew it was Vag I was seeing!

[ThatGuy865]

That guy needs to explain why it is not the same thing when a woman physically assaults a man. 1st. I did NOT say that it is not the same when a woman physically assaults a man.

I Specifically stated the incident between Ray rice and his wife was not the same as the incident with Jay Z and Solange.

When Solange kicked. She barely touched Jay Z. He didn't even flinch. The hits were negligible. It was Jay Z's option whether HE wanted to call LE and press assault charges. Obviously he didn't want to as it was more about nothing. The incident was over by the time the doors opened so there was no witnesses or hotel security involved.

Ray Rice knocked the fuck out of his wife. Then dragged her limp body out of the elevator, threw her on the floor. Kicked her legs while she was knocked out, like some rag doll. Trying to get them out of the way of the door. There was witnesses to him dragging her out and hotel security arrived.

In the Ray rice case. The Hotel security was obligated to call LE. You can't knock a person out and not expect the hotel to do nothing.

There are many cases where men call LE for assault by women / wives. And the women are taken to Jail the same as a man would.

And yes I believe if a woman hits a man. If he feels he wants to call LE he has every right to and she should go to jail same as a man would.

[Mr Enternational]

Agreed. My advice, guys, is to get a dog. Women could learn a lot from a dog. Dogs don't care how many women you bang as long as they get fed and attended to. Dogs are way more lovable than AW. If I could put my dog's brain in a sexy woman I might marry her her.1. Are you planning to be banging the dog?
2. Did you establish the parameters of the relationship before you jumped into it? Or did both parties assume the other party wanted the same relationship rules as they did themselves? Many problems can be avoided by simple communication, but the thought of being able to get some pussy clouds most mens' brains.

[Riina]

Agreed. My advice, guys, is to get a dog. Women could learn a lot from a dog. Dogs don't care how many women you bang as long as they get fed and attended to. Dogs are way more lovable than AW. If I could put my dog's brain in a sexy woman I might marry her her.Dogs are good, but I prefer a Polish girl if I must have regular companionship. They clean your house and cook you warm dinners. The key is to be crystal on each others expectations. In my town, mid thirty singles looking to be semi taken care of by a guy are a dime a dozen. I regularly tell mine that I'm going to go meet a prostitute.

[Naked Gunz]

I regularly tell mine that I'm going to go meet a prostitute.And where is this paradise?

[D Cups]

Did you establish the parameters of the relationship before you jumped into it? Or did both parties assume the other party wanted the same relationship rules as they did themselves? Many problems can be avoided by simple communication, but the thought of being able to get some pussy clouds most mens' brains.So, now you are a shrink, E? Or some kind of wannabe counselor? Good luck with that. Geez.

[TellAll]

And where is this paradise?I would like to know that myself. Sounds like my kind of place.

[Riina]

I would like to know that myself. Sounds like my kind of place.Chicago it's not a paradise. You can place an add in the Polish papers to rent out a room and literally get an applicant every day. The younger and hotter, the more trouble you can expect. The most important rule is to state clearly no other men are to enter the apartment. For the record, I'm not making a comparison between dogs and Polish women. I'm only stating another companionship alternative. All divorced older Polish men do this and some American guys also if they can find the right person. I probably met close to a hundred women over a tree year period before I was willing to accept somebody. No sex in the beginning but eventually they will be the ones begging you for it.

[SavePros321]

I guess men are starting to get that marriage benefits no one except the woman:

BY PAUL BEDARD

September 18,2014

10:12 AM

The Census Bureau reported Thursday that the nation's marriage rate is the lowest since 1920, and the first-time inclusion of same sex married couples did little to reverse the decline.

According to Pew Research Center analysis, the marriage rate of Americans 18 and older hit a bottom of 50.3 percent in 2013, down from 50.5 percent in 2012. In 1920, the first year mentioned, 65 percent were married, and the marriage rate hit a high of 72.2 percent in 1960.

The new data did not put a number on the homes hosting same-sex married couples, though the Census last year estimated there were 182,000 households headed by gay couples.

While a big number, Pew noted that it compares with 56 million "headed by opposite-sex married couples," and that such a small percentage won't have a big impact on the overall marriage rate.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/census-marriage-rate-at-93-year-low-even-including-same-sex-couples/article/2553600


Best comment from the comments section of the article:

"Spent my twenties focusing on foundation of good career and financial independence. I was a "good guy" (which I'm very proud of being). The ladies preferred the bad boys. Now in my thirties things have changed and I am approached quite often, unfortunately. The issue is it is almost always by divorced / single mothers or the ex-party-girl. I'm sorry, but I'm not interested in raising some other mans kid or being the sucker who settles for a used car with high mileage and old luggage in the trunk. I didn't work hard to get where I am for your benefit. At this point trying to filter out the garbage is just too time consuming to bother.

So the plan is never getting married, no kids, retire as early as possible and just enjoy my life to the fullest."

[Naked Gunz]

Chicago it's not a paradise. You can place an add in the Polish papers to rent out a room and literally get an applicant every day. The younger and hotter, the more trouble you can expect. The most important rule is to state clearly no other men are to enter the apartment. For the record, I'm not making a comparison between dogs and Polish women. I'm only stating another companionship alternative. All divorced older Polish men do this and some American guys also if they can find the right person. I probably met close to a hundred women over a tree year period before I was willing to accept somebody. No sex in the beginning but eventually they will be the ones begging you for it.Spent a year running around there when I was in the Navy. Had a married chick with a hot body I was banging on the North side and a former model I was banging on the South side. Ah, to be young again-sigh. Yeah, when I rented my 3 BR house I had 3 very sweet things apply. I had visions of sex-for-rent and was visually doing doggie style the entire time they were talking to me. Then the reality bubble set in. Reality is that hot pussy always has many dogs sniffing around and fighting over it, not to mention parties, late paying rent and eventually-babies. I sent them on their way and rented to a mature couple.

Friend, now I'm confused as ever as to your whole scene goin on over there, but if it works for you enjoy it pal. I thought you were referring to some Eastern bloc mecca where women actually put up with American bullshyt for the promise of a green card.


Best comment from the comments section of the article:"I'm sorry, but I'm not interested in raising some other mans kid or being the sucker who settles for a used car with high mileage and old luggage in the trunk. So the plan is never getting married, no kids, retire as early as possible and just enjoy my life to the fullest."Actually, the point is sort of missed in that quote. You still bang them, then move on to the next. Heck, once they realize your not committing, they will move on.

[Riina]

I guess men are starting to get that marriage benefits no one except the woman:It's not just the men, it's also the American woman that has become fiercely independent. It's admirable but I feel they have become to guarded in life.

[Riina]

Friend, now I'm confused as ever as to your whole scene goin on over there, but if it works for you enjoy it pal. I thought you were referring to some Eastern bloc mecca where women actually put up with American bullshyt for the promise of a green card.Buddy,

That day is long gone. EE's in the motherland or West have evolved into opportunists that play the system strictly for their own self benefit. Seems are options have dwindled to choosing the strong willed independent American girl summarized all so well by the be word or we can choose the EE gold digger whose sole purpose is to extract everything from you wallet.

[ThatGuy865]

It's not just the men, it's also the American woman that has become fiercely independent. It's admirable but I feel they have become to guarded in life.Instead of marriage. People are merely living together, there is no taboo about shacking any longer.

So the only true difference it makes is when it comes to Alimony / Palimony.

And yes. Actually in the USA Women will probably be doing much better than men. As more women are getting college degrees than men now.

This is partly what contributes to some men's problem with AW. Because. AW do not have to settle or put up with a man that they feel doesn't fit their needs. Fewer need a man for financial support as in other countries, especially compared to women from 3rd world countries.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/in-a-first-women-surpass-men-in-college-degrees/

[Chocha Monger]

Sex-for-rent is fairly common in all large cities with high rents. It comes with all of the downsides that NG mentioned. Plus, it is a legal minefield. Once you stick your schmekel in her hole she is instantly transformed from tenant to domestic partner. Things get really complicated after that if she decides that was sufficient compensation for lodging and cuts off or severely limits pussy access. If you try to evict her she could file a restraining order on you by alleging abuse. Now you're out of your nice house but still paying the bills. The hot pussy is living rent-free shagging young hipsters in your bed while the courts set a date in the future to figure out what really happened. Do you really want to tell the judge that this was all a terrible mistake, she is not your live-in girlfriend just a sex-for-rent tenant? Either way, the outcome doesn't look good.

The sex-for-rent scheme is easy to implement because a lot of low income and immigrant women offer it, but it is high-risk from a legal point of view. Guys that go for such arrangements are the sort that would buy stock in Alibaba's IPO or engage in base jumping. It can be potentially rewarding if it works out but the consequences of failure are catastrophic.

[Naked Gunz]

So ladies, along with your fancy degree, lets ditch these double standards.

Lets ditch the double standard that the beer gut is a turn off, but being a size 22 is a BIG BEAUTIFUL WOMAN.

Lets ditch the double standard that my life won't be happy unless I sacrfice myself to keep her happy, no matter what she does, or does NOT do for me.

Lets ditch the damned whining about equal pay when your comparing a male doctors to female housekeepers salary.

And in this highly charged domestic violence atmosphere, lets ditch the fucking double standard that if she slaps the shyt out of you in the face like a g damned man, she can't be hit back like one! Dude, you really need to cut off your balls and turn in your man card.

[Riina]

And in this highly charged domestic violence atmosphere, lets ditch the fucking double standard that if she slaps the shyt out of you in the face like a g damned man, she can't be hit back like one! Dude, you really need to cut off your balls and turn in your man card.I know it was wrong but I have to say I can understand.

[SavePros321]

Actually in the USA Women will probably be doing much better than men. As more women are getting college degrees than men now.

This is partly what contributes to some men's problem with AW. Because. AW do not have to settle or put up with a man that they feel doesn't fit their needs. Fewer need a man for financial support as in other countries, especially compared to women from 3rd world countries.
Good! I'm happy for them. Too bad they are not just as happy:

Why Are So Many Professional Millennial Women Unable To Find Dateable Men?

FORBESWOMAN 12/05/2012 @ 11:50AM

Larissa Faw
Contributor

"My Millennial-aged girl friends and I never doubted that we would accomplish all of our life goals. Everything, thus far, has pretty much gone according to our plans. We were accepted into the right college, landed the dream job, and developed a network of amazing friends. Our apartments are beautifully decorated and we have closets full of stylish clothing. Romance hasn't been entirely sidelined, but we don't waste our time trying to cultivate a relationship unless someone is really amazing.

But now, a growing number of Millennial women are beginning to fret over the unanticipated consequences of prioritizing our careers before love. And I only need to look at my group of friends to see this reality. Again and again, year after year, my successful, gorgeous, and amazing friends remain kiss-less on New Year's Eve. And on Valentine's Day. And on the 4th of July. The only dateable men we encounter are either attached, gay, or otherwise involved in "it's complicated" situations. We are coming to the realization that we were unwittingly playing a game of musical chairs while everyone was pairing up, those focused on our careers are left standing alone.

And we can't figure out what is happening.

"I don't think the issue is that men used to be great and now they're not," says Jezebel's Katie J. M. Baker. "Women used to feel more pressure to get married and have kids earlier, and prioritize those goals above the others. " Add to that women's ability now to be self-sufficient financially and supported socially by so many friends in the same boat, it shouldn't be that surprising so many Millennial women are single. Except to us singletons, it isn't supposed to be this way.

When it comes to romance, Millennial women are typically described using several broad strokes that don't reflect nuance or contradictions. We are the hook-up generation. We are afraid of commitment. We are ball-busters or fairy-tale dreamers. Each clich may have elements of truth, but the fuller story is a result of several influencing and interconnected factors.

For one, it's not as if we are holding out for Jake Gyllenhaal, but we do have certain non-negotiable expectations for potential mates that include college degrees and white-collar jobs. Life has always gone according to our plans, so why wouldn't we land a man with these (reasonable) requirements?

This unwillingness to settle for less than we think we deserve is joined by a lax attitude towards searching for potential mates. We're busy dominating the world. We don't have time to hang out at bars. While some of us explore online dating or take a more proactive approach, the majority of Millennial women have long assumed we would meet Prince Charming via friends, or through their own social circles. "Why should we waste our precious time and energy unless we meet someone we really connect with and care about?" asks Baker. "I think it's great that Millennial women are picky and don't feel as much pressure to be in monogamous relationships as did previous generations. I do think all Millennials, not just women, are used to the idea of being able to 'curate' experiences that's why so many people are into online dating, because you can pick and choose character traits and that makes people wary about settling down, especially when, in a city like New York, there are so many options. ".

Unfortunately these assumptions bump up against the growing inequality between the two genders. Millennial women have taken it for granted that they will pair up with equal partners. But increasingly, there aren't enough of these men to go around. Women now outnumber men on college campuses, and single, childless women out earn their male counterparts. In fact, as author Liza Mundy writes in her book, The Richer Sex, Millennial women are increasingly finding two options when it comes to romance: marry down or don't marry. "There needs to be a cognitive behavior change in what are considered important traits," says Mundy. "I talk to so many women who are obsessed with finding men on their level. They want someone as ambitious, engaged, and high-achieving as they are. They maybe need to rethink that to seek a partner who is supportive, rather than competitive. ".

Full Article: http://www.forbes.com/sites/larissafaw/2012/12/05/why-are-so-many-professional-millennial-women-unable-to-find-dateable-men/

[ThatGuy865]

Good! I'm happy for them. Too bad they are not just as happy:The article states they are having a hard time finding a man they want. But no where does it say they are not HAPPY.

Just they are having a hard time finding the man of their dreams college degree, white collar, willing to accept them as an equal.

Even with that. I don't see them going back to the "1950's" type of woman.

Many of the complaining guys seek. The "agree with what I say, Fuck me, clean the house and be happy for that. If it don't work out. Leave with only the clothes on your back and don't let the door hit you in the ass". Type of woman.

3rd world woman are still the DEPENDENT type with very little means of supporting themselves beyond basic needs. . And perceive western men as rich. So of course guys get treated good.

If they bring the women get to the USA And if given the opportunity to learn how to earn a decent wage. Then many leave these same guys.

[Kabul Guy]

....... He said in America a woman's biggest fear is that you don't want to fuck them. Once that happens they realize they have no more power over you and you have the power.

....Applies to Canadian women as well. As soon as I realized that I could fuck a never ending stream of different beautiful young women, for a small fee compaired to what my 50+ year old 50+ pounds overweight wife was costing me, she lost all power over me and it was all over for us then.

Now in the Philippines having spend a month with an 18 year old beauty, got her cherry and will be moving on in another couple months to find another one.

[Naked Gunz]

they are having a hard time finding the man of their dreams college degree, white collar, willing to accept them as an equal..And many a good hard-working blue collar man is perceived as unworthy by these unrealistic princess bearers of Master degrees. The handsome, white collar Anglo is too busy fucking everything before he is ready to settle down, if he really has any brains. Hell, they're even selling sperm. When women stop listening to their friends, start running out of eggs at age 30, then the plumber and bus driver starts looking good enough. And if not, now they're having kids alone and becoming lesbians. This is the new American household.


Many of the complaining guys seek. The "agree with what I say, Fuck me, clean the house and be happy for that. If it don't work out. Leave with only the clothes on your back and don't let the door hit you in the ass". Type of woman...Guilty. Actually I don't let it get that far by moving them in or putting a ring on it.


3rd world woman are still the DEPENDENT type with very little means of supporting themselves beyond basic needs. . And perceive western men as rich. So of course guys get treated good...So. Ignorance= Bliss. God bless them.



If they bring the women get to the USA And if given the opportunity to learn how to earn a decent wage. Then many leave these same guys.Many of them have advanced degrees without the femi-nazi mindset, and only want a good guy. They just run into obstacles in their own country (have to fuck to get a job, nepotism, tribalism) and are very appreciative of a man that lifts their life.

[SavePros321]

The article states they are having a hard time finding a man they want. But no where does it say they are not HAPPY.

Just they are having a hard time finding the man of their dreams college degree, white collar, willing to accept them as an equal.

Read the comments section of the article and you will understand why white collar men are not looking for white collar women. This one pretty much sums up the majority of responses:

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"Hello, and thank you for the great article. I think the article itself contains at least some answers to the question posed. Being overconfident, overly ambitious and otherwise "fabulous" is not attractive to men; not to straight men anyway. A man wants to date a woman, not another successful, clean-cut, well dressed, well groomed man. No, this doesn't mean she has to be in the kitchen all day, but more and more guys and more and more articles all around the web talk about the importance of women being feminine and nurturing.

A woman whose main goal in life is getting that corner office, and who radiates the energy of a male stock broker when she walks around is not a turn on sensually or sexually to men.

Being "too picky" is nothing but self defense mechanism to make oneself feel more at peace with not meeting and not connecting with men.

Surely many or most guys out there, at least at some stage in their life, want to just have sex with as many women as possible for as little time as possible, and some guys never outgrow that stage. But the other men those who are interested in settling are not looking for a business partner or an employee. They are looking for a mother to their future children, a soft hand, a soft voice and a few other grossly underrate traditional qualities that can go hand in hand with education, and at least some careers. "

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I (SavePros) work a so-called "white collar" job with women who make just as much as me, if not more. All these broads around the office talk about is when and where the next "happy hour" is happening, and hitting the club Wednesday-Saturday. I remember back in my Navy days how we used to joke and brag about getting "wasted" over the weekend, but to hear my 23 yr old female coworker brag about getting "fucked up" sound so damn trashy. Who would want to marry a broad who can drink him under the table and is in the club every weekend?

And like Naked Gunz has mentioned: (for a woman) that biological clock is always ticking:


When women stop listening to their friends, start running out of eggs at age 30, then the plumber and bus driver starts looking good enough.


It's so funny how when I log into Plenty of Fish I am bomb-rushed by a slew of 28-35 yr old women who have NOW decided that they "don't want to be a h0e no moe" and are now looking to settle down. But they are all damaged goods at that point. Once, sometimes twice divorced; 1-3 kids to take care of, overweight, and an emotional wreck. And some of them (the more attractive ones) still don't learn. I had one chick who I had met on the website and talked to briefly over the phone later that evening (a Friday evening). She had to end the call once she picked up her daughter from school. She calls me back later that night while on her way to the club after leaving her daughter with a babysitter. She went out of her way to let me know that she was wanting to return my call from earlier that day, as if that was somehow going to earn her extra points with me for being "thoughtful" as she headed to the club for the night, lmao!

[ThatGuy865]

I (SavePros) work a so-called "white collar" job with women who make just as much as me, if not more. SavePros. I agree with much you say. I am not saying there are a lot of men are attracted to this type of woman. Just that is a choice they have made and while many regret the "maternal" aspect of their lives. I doubt many would reverse their decisions. You don't see many lowering their sites and marrying blue collar guys.

I am saying I can understand their reluctance to want to deal with a man who is not on their level. I travel, have had a ton of 3rd world women, but I too find it hard to consider one for a long term relationship. I can't have a conversation on anything of substance, forget anything remotely worldly. Most think purely on a emotional level. And then the age difference puts an even bigger gap of knowledge between us. I'm sure there are guys who are happy with, just young, dumb and full of cum types. But for me. I like to be able to hold a conversation about things above an elementary level.

3rd world women, even with Advanced degrees. If not given the opportunity to use it to its fullest. Will still have that dependent nature. It reinforces that dependency even more. Since they did the schooling and still can't make it on their own.

But you will notice most (of course there are always exception) 3rd world women who have money, that come from wealthy families. Do not tend to date foreigners or if they do. They are the same guys that AW would date. Age appropriate, in shape. And well off too.

This show that no matter where a woman is from .. if she knows she is financially capable . She will most likely not be the "Do as I say" type that most on here who complain about AW, aspire to find.

[Dickhead]

And now I see where Texas Rangers' manager Ron Washington quit his millions of dollars per year job because he got some strange pussy. How does that make sense?

[Naked Gunz]

It's so funny how when I log into Plenty of Fish I am bomb-rushed by a slew of 28-35 yr old women who have NOW decided that they "don't want to be a h0e no moe" and are now looking to settle down. But they are all damaged goods at that point. Once, sometimes twice divorced; 1-3 kids to take care of, overweight, and an emotional wreck. And some of them (the more attractive ones) still don't learn. I had one chick who I had met on the website and talked to briefly over the phone later that evening (a Friday evening). She had to end the call once she picked up her daughter from school. She calls me back later that night while on her way to the club after leaving her daughter with a babysitter. She went out of her way to let me know that she was wanting to return my call from earlier that day, as if that was somehow going to earn her extra points with me for being "thoughtful" as she headed to the club for the night, lmao!For Black women the search is even harder because attractive Black women are extremely high maintenance and material (nails, weaves, shoes, BMW or Mercedes, designer this and that) so them finding a brother with $, advanced degrees that puts up with their shyt is needle in a haystack probability. I had an attractive mid-thirties Physician APPROACH ME on an online site. She called and immediately started attacking me:

She: What kind of degree do you have?

Me: Bachelors. (I lied, I have an AS).

She: THAT's LIKE A GED now days! How many kids do you have?

Me: One. (That's true)

She: I bet your lying and I bet five!

Me: And why the fuck did you call?

She: Click! Dial tone. I was so in shock, I didn't have a chance to comeback on that bytch. Yeah, I love American women.

[TellAll]

For Black women the search is even harder because attractive Black women are extremely high maintenance and material (nails, weaves, shoes, BMW or Mercedes, designer this and that) so them finding a brother with $, advanced degrees that puts up with their shyt is needle in a haystack probability. I had an attractive mid-thirties Physician APPROACH ME on an online site. She called and immediately started attacking me:

She: What kind of degree do you have?

Me: Bachelors.

She: THAT's LIKE A GED now days! How many kids do you have?

Me: One.

She: I bet your lying and I bet five!

Me: And why the fuck did you call?

She: Click! Dial tone. I was so in shock, I didn't have a chance to comeback on that bytch. Yeah, I love American women.My experience on POF. She messaged me. We talked on phone a couple times, went on a happy hour date.

First problem, photo's on her profile were dated. Did not show the additional 15 lbs.

Second issue, her 45 minute rant about her ex'es.

By that time I had enough and I told her nicely that I don't think were compatable.

She asked my name again and then lit into me. I thought I was to good for her. I was mad cause I couldn't get it on the first date.

She should of known I was just another loser.

I got the bill and paid my half.

I had enough of her shit so I told her the reason I can't see her is because I am on my way to Thailand and over there, even the guys are hotter than you. I left her at the table not knowing she would be paying her half of the check.

That is why I don't bother anymore.

[Jon32]

American women must be #1 as the worst kind of women to date, not only do they think they are the best, but they are usually fat asses on top of it.

West Europe comes in 2nd imo and is not tied with american women as 'the worst' for the simple fact that they are not total fat asses, it's tough to find obesity on the scale of america here. They are pretty stuck up here tho.

South Americans are the most fun to be around and have the best bodies (I. E. Normal bodies), but at 30+ they seem to blow up as well.

Asia doesn't do anything for me as I never found asians attractive, and are boring as hell to be around. It's like talking to a wall.

Africans can be very attractive, but for some reason the african immigrants in europe are almost on the same level as the natives. They think they are something special (which like all women, they are not). You can find a $20 african hooker on the street and she will think she is gd's gift to planet earth.

So I guess really #1 is south america, most open, most fun, most attractive(bonus points to brazil/argentina/venzuela/colombia). Africa I have to travel to more, i've only been there once.

My 2 cents after. Damn. 15 years of mongering already, and an expat for 10.

[Naked Gunz]

That is why I don't bother anymore.Dating sites used to be cool, but are designed pretty much now to squeeze money from you (buying credits to read email, sending you pics of their hottest members to entice you, fake alerts to make you think "She wants to meet you! Now their angle is just short of actual porn by having pics of naked women that are in your area and want to fuck. Hell, just use CL or Backpage.



My 2 cents after. Damn. 15 years of mongering already, and an expat for 10.Have not done Europe since my Navy days waaaaaay back in the day. Not impressed then except for Amsterdam, and I want to go to Germany for the obvious reasons.

Africans are best in they're own country, but they get clingy fast. African women also fall off a cliff after 30. I assume because off the diet. Heavy with meat and carbs only. They gain weight and start dressing like old women. Most women in developing nations don't know shyt about diet and exercise.

I actually think Asian women can be very hot. Asian diet can be very healthy except for the bombardment of rice and other carbs, so they look good for a long time. I used to work with many Lao women in San Diego and they put the Viet, Chinese and Pinay workers there to shame everyday.

Latinas are my favorite. Very sexy women. I started learning Spanish just to get to know them better in my travels South. Just too bad some of their countries are so dangerous.

[Carlos3000]

American women must be #1 as the worst kind of women to date, not only do they think they are the best, but they are usually fat asses on top of it.

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Africans can be very attractive, but for some reason the african immigrants in europe are almost on the same level as the natives. They think they are something special (which like all women, they are not). You can find a $20 african hooker on the street and she will think she is gd's gift to planet earth..Agreed that on average AW have more tonnage than women elsewhere. However some cities like New York and Chicago have very attractive AW. The problem is the shitty attitude. The attitude is almost mercenary. It's gets toned down if they perceive you have money or are a sports star. But you are at the mercy of the legal system once you sign on the dotted line. The older ones are worse and are very jaded. Good luck with the girls if you are not a Brad Pitt look alike.

Immigrants from anywhere in the world acquire the attitude of the AW and Western European women as soon as the plane touches ground. Unless you keep them in a dungeon and block all cable channels (especially Oprah), you will have the same issues as the AW or her European sister. Lesson here: don't get married to an AW and don't try to import. Robin William's Philippino 2nd ex wife is an object lesson. It's believed the he killed himself partly due to the pressures of child support and alimony payments. Beware fellows!

[D Cups]

For Black women the search is even harder because attractive Black women are extremely high maintenance and material (nails, weaves, shoes, BMW or Mercedes, designer this and that) so them finding a brother with $, advanced degrees that puts up with their shyt is needle in a haystack probability. I had an attractive mid-thirties Physician APPROACH ME on an online site. She called and immediately started attacking me:

She: What kind of degree do you have?

Me: Bachelors. (I lied, I have an AS).

She: THAT's LIKE A GED now days! How many kids do you have?

Me: One. (That's true)

She: I bet your lying and I bet five!

Me: And why the fuck did you call?

She: Click! Dial tone. I was so in shock, I didn't have a chance to comeback on that bytch. Yeah, I love American women.These biotches have more baggage than United Airlines. You're better off without them.

[D Cups]

I actually think Asian women can be very hot. Latinas are my favorite. Very sexy women. I started learning Spanish just to get to know them better in my travels South. Just too bad some of their countries are so dangerous.NG, you sound a lot like me. I'm learning Spanish for the same reason. Maybe we can wing it sometime. I'll be in Manila, Cebu, Dumaguete and AC in November. Sosua, Santo Domingo and Santiago for the big, big boobs in January. Back to Manila then Bali then Jakarta then Cebu Oct-Nov 2015. Regards.

[Naked Gunz]

NG, you sound a lot like me. I'm learning Spanish for the same reason. Maybe we can wing it sometime. I'll be in Manila, Cebu, Dumaguete and AC in November. Sosua, Santo Domingo and Santiago for the big, big boobs in January. Back to Manila then Bali then Jakarta then Cebu Oct-Nov 2015. Regards.Awww, your just bragging, LOL! Those Makati hoes want 4 k! Try Subic (a little sweeter girls and waay less BF). I'd be happy to be your wingman, but I'm in an engineering class for the next YEAR!. The school, however, should guarantee unfettered mongering for the rest of my life. After ten years on the road I'm stuck in the states in Seattle, and dating prospects look bleak. One possibility is that one of my classmates wife is Asian and owns a nail shop. You know what that means, lots of poontang running around up in there! I will keep up with your posts.

Congrats on 1000 posts BTW. I have been on here ten years and not broken 700. Too many isolated locations and government computers.

[D Cups]

Awww, your just bragging, LOL! Those Makati hoes want 4 k! Try Subic (a little sweeter girls and waay less BF). I'd be happy to be your wingman, but I'm in an engineering class for the next YEAR!. The school, however, should guarantee unfettered mongering for the rest of my life. After ten years on the road I'm stuck in the states in Seattle, and dating prospects look bleak. One possibility is that one of my classmates wife is Asian and owns a nail shop. You know what that means, lots of poontang running around up in there! I will keep up with your posts.

Congrats on 1000 posts BTW. I have been on here ten years and not broken 700. Too many isolated locations and government computers.Thanks and good luck in class, NG. I'm in Sacramento. Ya, I've been to Subic and lived in AC in the 80's.

[ThatGuy865]

One possibility is that one of my classmates wife is Asian and owns a nail shop. You know what that means, lots of poontang running around up in there!And what country is this you're talking about that has. How did you say it. "Lots of poontang running up in there" .

I knew. You Knew. The real deal. Thanks NG and happy hunting.

[George90]

Latinas are my favorite. Very sexy women. I started learning Spanish just to get to know them better in my travels South. Just too bad some of their countries are so dangerous.Me too!

NG and D Cups.

I have learned Spanish and have mongered exclusively in South America. There is a much higher proportion of attractive sexy women there than in North America or Western Europe. I urge you to continue learning Spanish, as well as to learn some history and culture of the region. Knowing even just a little about the Spanish Colonial era, the liberation by Simon Bolivar, foods like arepas, and of course music and dance, will go a VERY long way with impressing Latinas.

The countries in South America are not much more dangerous as a whole that the US or UK. There are some cities where there is more violence than average, but even in those cities a person and tourist can avoid all of it. In general, if you don't mess with drugs or weapons the worst you will deal with is pick-pockets. The serious danger is from corrupt police or government officials who are connected to organized crime. And that is most prevalent in Venezuela. I don't recommend going there.

As for marriage material, we men still need to be very careful. Latinas, and non-America women generally, have their own type of baggage. It is just different from AW baggage. For example, I dated a Colombiana for a year several years ago. A big problem that developed for me was about money. She, and lower income people generally, know how to *spend* money carefully, but not *manage* money carefully. I am not rich and must save for my mongering trips. She had no concept of saving for anything. She would spend ALL of her cash on hand on things she needed TODAY. The fact that she will have needs TOMORROW that she may have to satisfy with cash she had TODAY never entered her mind. The concept of foregoing a MINOR need TODAY in order to meet a MAJOR need TOMORROW was completely foreign to her. In talking to her about it I realized it would take YEARS for her to lengthen her time horizon and change her decision making regarding money. In the meantime, she might burn through my life savings in weeks!

Anyway, enjoy the Latinas when you get there!

[Riina]

A big problem that developed for me was about money. She, and lower income people generally, know how to *spend* money carefully, but not *manage* money carefully. I am not rich and must save for my mongering trips. She had no concept of saving for anything. She would spend ALL of her cash on hand on things she needed TODAY. The fact that she will have needs TOMORROW that she may have to satisfy with cash she had TODAY never entered her mind. The concept of foregoing a MINOR need TODAY in order to meet a MAJOR need TOMORROW was completely foreign to her. In talking to her about it I realized it would take YEARS for her to lengthen her time horizon and change her decision making regarding money. In the meantime, she might burn through my life savings in weeks!That mentality certainly exists among American women. My two friends that got divorced broke their backs for twenty years only to realize they saved nothing. Both couldn't take being dissed and treated like mules.

[Naked Gunz]

And what country is this you're talking about that has.The salon is Thai. So Thailand! Thanks for the encouragement.


"The serious danger is from corrupt police or government officials who are connected to organized crime...." "As for marriage material, we men still need to be very careful..." I used to be a contractor for the State Dept. And listened to the guys talk about how they were kidnapped and taken to the ATM, another was shot. These two incidents were in Colombia. I also did not like the thuggish atmosphere in DR. Panama is cool though. Spirit of adventure puts me on the plane, and I still go. My usual M. O. Is to get in, stay low, do my dirty and get out. I do that for all countries. That way your not on the crooks radar, and not there long enough for women to get their hooks in you.


My two friends that got divorced broke their backs for twenty years only to realize they saved nothing. .I would not truly blame that totally on a spouse. The greedy corporations are not paying a living wage across the board to the middle class. I made more in the nineties' than what they are offering now. But yeah, as I mentioned before here, my ex was not hurting for clothes and shoes. She murdered two closets from the weight of her wardrobe.

[George90]

I used to be a contractor for the State Dept. And listened to the guys talk about how they were kidnapped and taken to the ATM, another was shot. These two incidents were in Colombia. I also did not like the thuggish atmosphere in DR. Panama is cool though. Spirit of adventure puts me on the plane, and I still go. My usual M. O. Is to get in, stay low, do my dirty and get out. I do that for all countries. That way your not on the crooks radar, and not there long enough for women to get their hooks in you.That is true. When foreigners are working in South America they do have a target on their backs through their employers. I met an American in Colombia who claimed his father was an executive with a US oil company and was managing the Colombia division. The office was in Santa Marta but they were forced to live in Cartagena due to FARC activity not far from Santa Marta. The executive and his family would be targets for kidnappings. He commuted by helicopter between the two cities.

Some kidnappers pay bank workers to tell them who has large balances. Those large balance customers are targeted for kidnapping. I heard that kidnappers pay airline workers to notify them when certain persons are flying into Colombia. Those people are met at the airport with "rides" to their destination. The "ride" ends after paying a ransom.

There is a racial element involved. The wealthiest people in South America countries are all White so white skin is associated with money. Non-Whites are not targeted nearly as much because it is assumed they do not have enough money to make it worthwhile.

I used to like DR and had a few very nice chicas there, not only sexy but nice personalities as well. I stopped going about 10 years ago after Hipolito Mejia became president. He ran the country into the ground. The exchange rate went to like 60 pesos to the dollar from about 15 beforehand (which would be good except), gas prices went through the roof, electricity production plummeted, and crime sky rocketed. On the taxi ride to the airport on my final trip, the driver took a large gun from his glove box and put it in a pouch in his door for quick access. He explained that taxi drivers were getting robbed on the highway between Santo Domingo and the airport.

In around 22 years of mongering I have been a crime victim twice. I was pick-pocketed in Brazil losing $6 USD and robbed at gun point in Curacao losing around $30 USD. I am sure we all know how to lower our profiles while abroad. I don't drink at bars and never get drunk, I don't wear bling or any other jewelry, I don't dress flashy, I don't discuss money with any except chicas who are offering me sex. Most crime is about money. Don't look like you have a lot and most criminals will ignore you.

[Naked Gunz]

In around 22 years of mongering I have been a crime victim twice..Me once- in the good ole USA. I gave a guy a ride and he pulled out a knife. I gave him the change out of my ash tray and he left. Is. 65 cent worth reporting?

In defense of the third world, all the valuables I have ever surrendered to it was because I was drunk and lost it, or stupid and forgot it.

[Dickhead]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/22/woman-gets-third-boob-jasmine-tridevil_n_5862184.html

The Cups may want to go after this one!

[SavePros321]

Fresh off the press from Time Magazine:

30 Is the New 50: Old Age Is Killing My Dating Life

My career successes, my triumphs as a human being, are trumped by the fact my looks and my ovaries have a shelf life

"You know," he says. "It's tough for people our age. ".

It's 1 am on a Monday and I am currently on the phone having an argument with a guy I'd only been on four dates with, three of them good. One of them the last was less good, given he had gone MIA for the better part of three weeks and I had a sneaking suspicion he had a girlfriend.

We hadn't slept together, but the kisses had been the type of kisses you walk away from with shaky knees and blind hope. There was something there, and we both knew it, which is why we're attempting to hash things out over the phone at some ungodly hour. Because at our age, we're adults, and things matter more. The mistakes leave marks.

Alex is 38. I'm 30. Technically, there are no "people our age. " But I'm starting to feel that a 30-year-old woman might as well be a 40-year-old-man, though infinitely less desirable, culturally speaking.

At 40, a man is well into hitting his stride, something the guy I'm arguing with is all too aware of, as evidenced when he professes on multiple occasions, "I'm an amazing guy. " "We're killing it. KILLING IT," he tells me, while explaining that he's been caught up in his rapidly expanding architecture firm.

Alex sees his stock rising. For a man, age brings success, wisdom, and the Hollywood-approved wrinkles of Robert Redford. And, while I too find that my career is on the up, it doesn't matter, because time, for a woman, is hardly as kind as it is to a man. My career successes, my triumphs as a human being, are trumped by the fact my looksand my ovarieshave a shelf life. Biology and Sociology 101.

Interestingly enough, Alex and I, with nearly a decade between us, are two people on the same page in terms of what we are looking for in a relationship. In New York, men approaching their 40's begin to feel the weight of time more acutely, something women are confronted with the moment they start their first period. While boys are still sitting in the school parking lot burping up Cokes and Doritos, young girls are, in some ways, exposed to the long, faint shadow of their mortality, a life defined by precise timing and narrow windowsgirlhood and fertility immediately presented to you as finite and limited. Everything has its end.

Men, on the other hand, start to engage with their bodies decades later, only when something goes wrong. A slow-healing broken arm, a herniated disc, high blood pressure: These are the wake-up calls, where aging men begin to wrestle with the thought of impending death, or at least not wanting to be an old dad. Overnight, their biological clock starts ticking. They want kids. They want a partner. Their timer has gone off. DING DING DING.

After decades after messing around, they're ready to settle down. Which is precisely where Alex was at about a year ago with his ex-fianc, whokudos to Alexwas four years his senior and under the crushing pressure of having kids right away, lest the opportunity pass them by altogetheror, more precisely, pass her by. Alex couldn't handle the idea of having kids right away and broke it off, because he had the luxury his fianc did not: namely, time. And the ability to eventually, when he was ready, find someone 15 years younger to have children with.

Which brings us to the point when he finallyafter nearly an hour on the phone explaining that he's been so hot and cold because he's too busy with work, because he's very into expanding his business, because he's shyadmits he's been seeing some 20-something girl named Anouk for the past few months.

This, by the way, follows this part of the conversation by about 20 minutes:

Alex: Well, what do you want?

Me: I want to love someone and I want them to love me.

Alex: You? You think you're loveable? You think someone can fall in love with you? You're so guarded. How can anyone fall in love with someone so guarded?

Alex, of course, self-professed amazing person that he is, is not very well versed in Newton's Third Law and its role in relationship physics. I was guarded because he did things that made me sense he had a girlfriend. Which he did. But that's not his fault. Because Alex the Architect is amazing!

As though any amount of talking is going to make this better, Alex continues to tell me about Anouk, who doesn't mind him going on dates with other women because he "doesn't love her," and who he is dating precisely because she's not looking for anything at all.

It's this logic that has most of my 30-something guy friends dating girls fresh out of college. Girls who, in my experience, are less impressive, less striving, less volatile, less successful, less intimidating, less questioning, less pressing, less complex, less damaged, less opinionated, less powerful, less womanly. They are less, and, to a guy not ready for anythinglike most of the guys I have dated in New Yorkless is more.

A 30-year-old woman is an undertaking, and it's the real reason why Alex has been putting me on the back burner for the last two months, telling me I'm amazing and that he's interested and then disappearing to hang out with a 23-year-old instead. Age ain't nothing but a number, until it's a number someone else doesn't want to deal with.

http://time.com/3422046/30-is-the-new-50/

[Streetlooker]

I have for my whole 51 years of life believed a women is about used up and old at 30-35. They don; t look that good really and the youthfulness is gone. In America they have gained at least 50 to 100 pounds and have that bitchy attitude. So soon I be going to the land of 10 thousand girlfriends THE PHILIPPINES. Where a 51 year old fat old bald guy can buy himself a nice 20 year old hot ass girlfriend and when he is bored of her trade her in for another newer model. Takes 5 minutes to find a girlfriend there.

[TellAll]

I have for my whole 51 years of life believed a women is about used up and old at 30-35. They don; t look that good really and the youthfulness is gone. In America they have gained at least 50 to 100 pounds and have that bitchy attitude. So soon I be going to the land of 10 thousand girlfriends THE PHILIPPINES. Where a 51 year old fat old bald guy can buy himself a nice 20 year old hot ass girlfriend and when he is bored of her trade her in for another newer model. Takes 5 minutes to find a girlfriend there.Takes five minutes and months of less bullshit or emotionally bonding like the stupid biatch in the article. If she had just fucked the guy, maybe he would have been more responsive. The article shows she doesn't have a clue. But American women think their pussy is so precious and special you have to work hard for it. Not me.

[SavePros321]

Takes five minutes and months of less bullshit or emotionally bonding like the stupid biatch in the article. If she had just fucked the guy, maybe he would have been more responsive. The article shows she doesn't have a clue. But American women think their pussy is so precious and special you have to work hard for it. Not me.WORD!

She says they have been on four dates and still have not slept together. Looks like the poor guy just got tired of (most likely) paying for the dates, yet going home with blue balls each time.

Now he's banging a 23yr old. More power to him!

[SeizeTheDay]

this article does nothing more than reiterate how desperate guys are now. this guy is a pussy. at 37 years old he had a 41 year old fiancée, what a joke. this guy is asking to get taken. dating all these women is absurd, dating is dead. dating is an obsolete social construct that only oblivious pussy men use; as evidenced by him not sleeping with this 30 year old after four dates. in the usa if you meet a chick at night and don't fuck her with in an hour of meeting her cut your losses and move on. if you meet her in the day, fuck at the next meeting or cut losses and move on. understand that the rules of old no longer apply, women no longer seek men for relationships in the traditional sense. before women would get married, raise the kids, cook and spend all day on her hands and knees scrubbing floors. now however they seek men in relationships to act as an extension of themselves. do what she says, when she says to; give her your money, your love, and time. then she goes behind your back and fucks a guy who she can live out her [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) and choking fantasies with, and has his kid. you of course being the committed husband that you are would never suspect her of cheating and thus think the kid is yours. years and another kid later (again not yours) you find her fucking a guy in your bed and she get angry at you and hits you. she calls the police and has you escorted (you should have just paid an escort to begin with) out of your own home for domestic violence. then a family court judge bends you way the fuck over with no lube *****. congratulations you just won the american dating game! your prize includes lifetime alimony payments, 25 years of child support payments for another man's kids, mortgage payments for a house you can't be within 500 ft. of, and an all-expenses paid vacation to hell on earth! as for me, i want as little interaction with women as possible; men need to understand that despite what your biology book might tell you men and women are not the same species. i don't want to date them, touch them or see them. all i want is to hop on a plane so i can be balls deep in prostitute pussy. and i mean prostitutes only because this idea that women are different in other countries is a myth that only naïve men believe. it is not culture that causes women to rip a man's heart out of his chest it is genetics. on my way home last night i saw a beautiful brown praying mantis. i have always been fascinated by mantises since childhood. when a female praying mantis eats the head of a male one do you really think it is because of culture? do you think only american mantises do this and not the asian, african, or south american ones. no they all do it. women do what they do because it is in their dna. they do not have a choice, just as i have no choice but to fuck her right in the pussy. i can however mitigate the level of risk i expose myself to when i engage in such activities. i hate to break it to you but whether your 23 such as myself, 50 or yet to be born. you can no longer have a wife, girlfriend, or children. the social paradigm has shifted in the west from a civilizational fantasy construct to that of darwinism. women earn more degrees, and outnumber men in the workforce and universities. this affords them the luxury of selecting the tallest, gorgeous, big dicked, ripped abbed, bicepto-tricepta males. this is why guys like the one in the article are dating 41 year olds when they are doing well financially and are only 37 (sexual prime for men in terms of attractiveness to women). take my friend for example, just graduating from a state school at 21. in four years the guy fucked 4 girls. what? the guy went to some major spring break hot spot with his friends, just to get a goose egg. did not fuck a sole while there. the guy could have spent less on a plane ticket and fucked five women in one day, more then his whole college total. this exists because 1 man (mister gorgeous actor look alike bodybuilder hybrid) fucks 100 women, which leaves 99 men with their dicks in their hands. yet these 30 year olds that have drank cum from 25 dicks think guys should "man up" and put a ring on it. what the fuck! what self-respecting man would do this? listen to the arrogance of this women, "they are less, and, to a guy not ready for anything—like most of the guys i have dated in new york—less is more. " she says younger women are less volatile. from dictionary.com volatile: tending or threatening to break out into open violence; explosive. so the author openly admits that men in america should engage in the practice of hand grenade juggling! no thank you. guys go to work, keep your head down, mouth closed, and wait for your next trip. american is a waste land in more ways than one. we are not citizens anymore we are apocalypse survivors.

[SavePros321]

For a 23 yr old you seemed to have grasped the realities of today's landscape very well. That shit took me years to realize myself. I didn't find out about Mongering until I was 26. It started with an innocent Google search for "what Dominican women look like". That in turn lead to searches returning articles about prostitution in the Dominican Republic, which in turn led me to this forum. The rest is history.

I still laugh at how I found out about Mongering completely by accident. It was like the scene where Morpheus introduced Neo to the Matrix, lol!

[TellAll]

For a 23 yr old you seemed to have grasped the realities of today's landscape very well. That shit took me years to realize myself. I didn't find out about Mongering until I was 26. It started with an innocent Google search for "what Dominican women look like". That in turn lead to searches returning articles about prostitution in the Dominican Republic, which in turn led me to this forum. The rest is history.

I still laugh at how I found out about Mongering completely by accident. It was like the scene where Morpheus introduced Neo to the Matrix, lol!I started in my Twenties when I was stationed in Korea twice. Had a blast. Got back to the states and for some strange reason tried to live the american dream or rather nightmare.

After 30 years dating, living with women and child raising I was miserable.

One memorial day I was home drinking alone and pulled out a photo album of photos of me in my Army days stationed in Korea.

There was a Polaroid of me with a Korean hottie taken in 1977. It all came flooding back.

One month later after some research, I was in Angeles City Philippines fucking hotties in their twenties again.

Sometimes when I think about the 30 years I wasted on American Women, I want to cry.

[Artisttyp]

I get goose bumps reading all these comments. Its beautiful man just beautiful.

I've never been married don't have kids and don't owe anyone a cent.

To be honest I get a little depressed on Christmas and New Years but DAMN if aint worth those two days of sitting low!

I would hate to be in a failed relationship and be stuck. What a nightmare.

[Naked Gunz]

I get goose bumps reading all these comments. Its beautiful man just beautiful.

I've never been married don't have kids and don't owe anyone a cent.

To be honest I get a little depressed on Christmas and New Years but DAMN if aint worth those two days of sitting low!

I would hate to be in a failed relationship and be stuck. What a nightmare.Well I hope you have learned something from all the posts. There is nothing worse than a bad marriage. Many have lost thousands (in some cases millions) of dollars, property, and rights to their own children. It was really hard to sign over my condo to the ex. And have to pay child support for the next 12 years. My kid got my ex-wife's brains and work ethic. He is a lying, lazy man. All because she was the guilty, pampering mom that tried to be " the friend too"and yelled at me for disciplining him. How many times have women created this monster? Now, she is ready to throw him out. This is MY opinion, but kids are way overrated too. The smart young man is benefiting from this internet information age and reading all this advice / research online and going forth to the world to make his fortune.

[D Cups]

Guys go to work, keep your head down, mouth closed, and wait for your next trip. American is a waste land in more ways than one. We are not citizens anymore we are apocalypse survivors.Seize, you are extraordinarily wise for 23. Good summary. I just turned 59 and started mongering while stationed in Korea and Philippines in the 80's. Had a series of AW girlfriends in the 90's and 00's but luckily never married. Average length of relationship: two dates, two months or two years. I have a very low tolerance for BS and no tolerance for no p*why. In 2006 I started to go back to Southeast Asia for work (conferences and guest lecturing) also Caribbean. My eyes were reopened to the exotic, erotic wonders of the world outside the USA Now I don't even ask AWs out. The ones my age are too fat and mouthy. And geez, the baggage! They ALL have unrealistic expectations. So, I get a little brown sugar P4 P and maybe an orgasmic lap dance with a big pair of tits in my face once in a while but definitely no dating. Sure, I get lonely on holidays, too, sometimes (as another poster mentioned) but better to be single lonely than married lonely. Dogs make better companions than broads anyways. Happy hunting, guys! Don't let these broads get to you! Vote with your feet and get the eff out of Dodge!

[George90]

CNN online has an article about a recent survey of young women (Millenials). The issue is that the marriage rate for 20 somethings is much lower than it was in prior generations. The questions related to what men want in a wife and what women want in a husband. The most important quality a young woman wants in a potential husband is a steady job! If I understood the statistics correctly, for 78% of women respondents it is the number 1 factor; above children, religion, and race or ethnicity. It is the number 1 factor for 46% of young men regarding a potential wife.

When I was in my 20's, I thought that was the case. While I got a degree and worked as an accountant / auditor (nerdish I know), most ladies passed me by for the club going guys who dressed great, danced great, and did drugs. The ladies who paid attention to me were not worth it, both it in terms of physical appearance and personality.

[George90]

At SiezeTheDay,

My first impression is that you must have met some pretty awful AWs in your 23 years of life, because it is very unusual for men as young as you to have such a cynical / wise view of the romance situation in the US today. It took me until my early to mid 30's to acquire the knowledge you have.

Still, it is important for you to set priorities and goals regarding women, such as if you ever want your own biological children. If so, you will need to develop a screening mechanism that removes the chaff from the wheat. To do that, we men need to realize that there are at least some decent women someplace in the world.

[Carlos3000]

When I was in my 20's, I thought that was the case. While I got a degree and worked as an accountant / auditor (nerdish I know), most ladies passed me by for the club going guys who dressed great, danced great, and did drugs. The ladies who paid attention to me were not worth it, both it in terms of physical appearance and personality.Hahahaha. G90, thanks for the laugh. This was exactly my experience growing up in New York. I got a degree and worked a respectable job yet was ignored by all the women I wanted. A 15 year marriage and a divorce, I'm at peace with myself. Thank God for mongering.

[Dickhead]

I knew it was all bullshit from the get-go so I started fucking Dominican and Puerto Rican hookers when I was fifteen. Then in my late teens I lived in Reno, home of the famous Mustang Ranch. They had a lot of Thais working there and I developed a very bad case of yellow fever but then I worked that off in México. Lately I have been into Native Americans (especially Guaraní) and Native Canadians. So, there will always be pussy for me wherever I go, unless I run out of money, and I have zero need for American women and the one-way street they seem to live on.

[Mr Enternational]

I get goose bumps reading all these comments. Its beautiful man just beautiful.

I've never been married don't have kids and don't owe anyone a cent.

To be honest I get a little depressed on Christmas and New Years but DAMN if aint worth those two days of sitting low!

I would hate to be in a failed relationship and be stuck. What a nightmare.Smart move grasshopper. As far as this cat is concerned, 20 more days of child support and then I am living like a king. Chicks these days ask me about getting married and I ask why? What will it benefit me to get married? I have money. I go where I want when I want for how long I want. I have a house and an apartment. I know how to cook and clean. I am not hurting for pussy. They pretty much agree that there is no reason for me to marry.

[Ken_Apples]

Smart move grasshopper. As far as this cat is concerned, 20 more days of child support and then I am living like a king. Chicks these days ask me about getting married and I ask why? What will it benefit me to get married? I have money. I go where I want when I want for how long I want. I have a house and an apartment. I know how to cook and clean. I am not hurting for pussy. They pretty much agree that there is no reason for me to marry.Not to be the devil's advocate, but there can be reason for marriage IF you are really serious about setting down with a woman. Not from a economical pov, but an emotional.

And that would come down to that the chemistry is just right.

Hence the saying "She makes me whole".

And of course apart from that genuine nice personality, that means that she needs to be an extraordinary, ultrafilthy phuckzlut deluxe.

For you guys out there looking for that woman, don't go looking for the typical postergirls. Nice to brag with infront of your friends, but useless to live with.

They are just to bratty / spoiled / phucked up in their minds, from all the pampering they receive from all men, all the time.

Look for the diamond in the rough, and you might be on your way.

Regards, Ken Apples.

[ThatGuy865]

Damn. I guess I was blessed. When I was in my 20's. I had girls galore. Never had less than 2 girls I could rotate between during a week. Many young guys in their 20's were doing the same. All of my friends. So it wasn't just me. I ran with a crew of 5 guys and we all ran the girls equally hard.

We laughed at the old guys when they used to tell us about buying pussy. I remember when I went into the military and at the end of basic when we got our 1st chance to go off base and a few guys headed straight to bordello's. I had already locked down a sweet Mexican who worked on base. I thought how lame. Guys running to pay for ass at 20 yrs old.

Fast forward. And now being over 50 . I have accepted it as a fun alternative for vacations. But would not think about it in the USA Maybe its a sign of the times. But there is no way I would have even thought about P4 P in my 20's or 30's. Hell I expected a babe to be thankful she got this dick. Let alone pay her. And no I didn't wine and dine babes either. It was about straight game. We talked the panties off babes. Its what we did.

I'm sure there are plenty of guys who still can and do talk the panties off babes. But I guess there may have always been guys such as the 20 somethings on here who had to pay. Damn I'm thankful I wasn't one of them.

[Mr Enternational]

Not to be the devil's advocate, but there can be reason for marriage IF you are really serious about setting down with a woman. Not from a economical pov, but an emotional. And that would come down to that the chemistry is just right. Hence the saying "She makes me whole".That can be true today, but tomorrow the chances are greater for than against that it will change. People change. It's nobody's fault (sometimes), but that is how we are as humans. Today: She makes me whole. Tomorrow: I can't stand the biotch.

The shit I thought was good for me 20 years ago I wouldn't dare go for today, eg. The woman I have had to send child support to for the last 18 years who has been married 14 years and living in a motel for the past 9 years. She used to make me whole too. But see when I got a child I realized I had to be a more responsible person and got my shit together, while "Miss No Pot to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) In" is even worse off despite living in a motelhold with a loving husband plus a nice monthly stipend.

Look at a few recent couples who were inseparable but now going their separate ways: Bruce Jenner & that Kardashian lady, Nick & Mariah, and today it was just announced Wiz Khalifa & Amber Rose. And their asses have only been married 1 year with a brand new baby. They were so in love with all of the right chemistry.

But remember that it is not just chemistry that plays a part, because the chemical H20 that you call water will be called steam under a different temperature and pressure, and will even be called ice under yet another temperature and pressure. When the stars align all may be ideal, but when the stars continue moving along their respective paths causing disarray, then holy hell could break loose. Change is inevitable.

[Riina]

But remember that it is not just chemistry that plays a part, because the chemical H20 that you call water will be called steam under a different temperature and pressure, and will even be called ice under yet another temperature and pressure. When the stars align all may be ideal, but when the stars continue moving along their respective paths causing disarray, then holy hell could break loose. Change is inevitable.Well said. This is the guiding principal of all my business dealings, financial and love.

[Naked Gunz]

Change is inevitable.E your post sums it all up nicely. Boy I would love a piece of Amber Rose!

[TellAll]

CNN online has an article about a recent survey of young women (Millenials). The issue is that the marriage rate for 20 somethings is much lower than it was in prior generations. The questions related to what men want in a wife and what women want in a husband. The most important quality a young woman wants in a potential husband is a steady job! If I understood the statistics correctly, for 78% of women respondents it is the number 1 factor; above children, religion, and race or ethnicity. It is the number 1 factor for 46% of young men regarding a potential wife.

When I was in my 20's, I thought that was the case. While I got a degree and worked as an accountant / auditor (nerdish I know), most ladies passed me by for the club going guys who dressed great, danced great, and did drugs. The ladies who paid attention to me were not worth it, both it in terms of physical appearance and personality.Just goes to show, when it comes to AW there are two types of men, the kind they say they want and the kind they go out and get.

[ThatGuy865]

That can be true today, but tomorrow the chances are greater for than against that it will change. People change. It's nobody's fault (sometimes), but that is how we are as humans. Today: She makes me whole. Tomorrow: I can't stand the biotch.

The shit I thought was good for me 20 years ago I wouldn't dare go for today, eg. The woman I have had to send child support to for the last 18 years who has been married 14 years and living in a motel for the past 9 years. She used to make me whole too. But see when I got a child I realized I had to be a more responsible person and got my shit together, while "Miss No Pot to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) In" is even worse off despite living in a motelhold with a loving husband plus a nice monthly stipend.

Look at a few recent couples who were inseparable but now going their separate ways: Bruce Jenner & that Kardashian lady, Nick & Mariah, and today it was just announced Wiz Khalifa & Amber Rose. And their asses have only been married 1 year with a brand new baby. They were so in love with all of the right chemistry.

But remember that it is not just chemistry that plays a part, because the chemical H20 that you call water will be called steam under a different temperature and pressure, and will even be called ice under yet another temperature and pressure. When the stars align all may be ideal, but when the stars continue moving along their respective paths causing disarray, then holy hell could break loose. Change is inevitable.You make good points. But I also think we need to reconsider what is a successful marriage. 15 to 20 yrs of marriage should be considered a successful marriage. And not a forever thing. When the institution of Marriage was started life expectancy was significantly lower. So a life time was much shorter. Since then life expectancy has dramatically increased. But the idea of until death do we part for marriage hasn't changed.

Rather than getting rid of marriage as an institution. It should have a shorter contractual time span. Say maybe 10 to 15 yrs, with a renewable option after that. This would probably result in more reasonable / successful marriages. As I agree within a person's life span now. Their personalities, views, and attitudes change and evolve making it almost impossible to commit to anything until death.

Also using people in the entertainment biz as examples are a bad choice as they live in a completely different world than most with temptations, demands / stresses and financial freedoms that the avg person will never experience.

[D Cups]

We talked the panties off babes. Its what we did.I'm sure there are plenty of guys who still can and do talk the panties off babes. Hi TG, I guess I got into P4 P at Osan and Clark in the 80's when I discovered it was cheaper and more fun than dating. Plus I love that the Filipinas love to take naughty pics and vids. Of course I always had non P4 P girlfriends then, too, all the way to 3 or 4 years ago. Now I've decided to forego American dating altogether. It's just not worth it -- emotionally or financially.

[D Cups]

The most important quality a young woman wants in a potential husband is a steady job! .Hi George and Guys. After years of serial dating and a lifetime of bachelorhood it is my observation that women want security (read money) and kids (until they have one or more). After that, it's anyone's guess. My guess is that they don't know what the eff they want. The minute you give them what they want they begin to want something else. God sure has a funny sense of humor. Regards.

[SavePros321]

Hi George and Guys. After years of serial dating and a lifetime of bachelorhood it is my observation that women want security (read money) and kids (until they have one or more). After that, it's anyone's guess.D Cups, if you check out some of the articles I posted here about a page back you will see that most modern women already have the former (financial security). This allows them to be very picky about the men they date. The problem is that they are all after that small handful of "Alpha Male" types: they guy that has pussy thrown at him without looking for it (women often like to use Channing Tatum as their barometer of "hot"). These kind of guys are not looking to settle down with just one female. Why should they?

So the modern woman is very happy to bang that "hot" bartender she met at happy hour, but can't understand why he never returns her phone calls or wants to settle down and start a family with her.

Us successful "Average Joe'" types don't fit the storybook male that women are looking for, so we get filtered out early on. Then around 28-35 panic starts to kick in and these same women begin to desperately seek out someone for marriage and to start a family with after realizing those Alpha Males are not going to settle down with her for a serious relationship. They then turn their sights back on us Average Joe's. But we don't want them. Their bodies are tired and used up after so many years. They are an emotional wreck. The Average Joe has learned to leverage his wealth elsewhere, knowing he could just pay for time and companionship with a 9 or 10 rather than putting up with bullshit and blue balls with a 4 or 5.

The hot, yet older AW's will still win regardless, because eventually she will find an Average Joe sucker (who happens to be very wealthy) to marry her. She'll put in a year or two; just long enough to get pregnant. Then she will begin the process of slowly ripping his heart out through his wallet (A Robin Williams's quote about divorce).

[D Cups]

D Cups, if you check out some of the articles I posted I read them, SP. Sure, many broads have the bucks so they don't need us for that. You can poll all the women you want and read all the bullshit articles and genuine sociological research you want but it doesn't matter what they say because these broads change their minds soon as soon as they say it. I like the RW quote (RIP). Thanks.

[SavePros321]

I like the RW quote (RIP). Thanks.I apologize, the correct quote was "Divorce is like ripping a man's genitals out through his wallet. " Not ripping out his heart.

[SeizeTheDay]

Us successful "Average Joe'" types don't fit the storybook male that women are looking for, so we get filtered out early on. Then around 28-35 panic starts to kick in and these same women begin to desperately seek out someone for marriage and to start a family with after realizing those Alpha Males are not going to settle down with her for a serious relationship. They then turn their sights back on us Average Joe's. But we don't want them. Their bodies are tired and used up after so many years. They are an emotional wreck. The Average Joe has learned to leverage his wealth elsewhere, knowing he could just pay for time and companionship with a 9 or 10 rather than putting up with bullshit and blue balls with a 4 or 5.
(A Robin Williams's quote about divorce).I think you are being a little too optimistic here SavePros, I do not think most average Joes have figured out that it is better to just pay for it. Elliot are. Would have been a lot better off had someone told him about SA or SEA. His father should have said "Son your short, average looking and women don't give a fuck about a BMW anymore. Brush up on you Spanish or Thai and here is a plane ticket, good luck oh that's right you don't need it where you are going. " The women in this video are not drop dead gorgeous or hot even, to be honest they are not even doable. I know you have had much better (I've seen photos), yet these guys still marry these old ass hags. Pay close attention to the guys though. Double chin, soft cheeks and jaw line, small Adam's apple, high pitch voices. All signs of low testosterone, in guys in their 20's-30's. I think our American food plays a role in guys making dumb decisions. I agree with most of your post, spot on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd3kG0FV7ts

[TellAll]

I think you are being a little too optimistic here SavePros, I do not think most average Joes have figured out that it is better to just pay for it. Elliot are. Would have been a lot better off had someone told him about SA or SEA. His father should have said "Son your short, average looking and women don't give a fuck about a BMW anymore. Brush up on you Spanish or Thai and here is a plane ticket, good luck oh that's right you don't need it where you are going. " The women in this video are not drop dead gorgeous or hot even, to be honest they are not even doable. I know you have had much better (I've seen photos), yet these guys still marry these old ass hags. Pay close attention to the guys though. Double chin, soft cheeks and jaw line, small Adam's apple, high pitch voices. All signs of low testosterone, in guys in their 20's-30's. I think our American food plays a role in guys making dumb decisions. I agree with most of your post, spot on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd3kG0FV7tsThose are some of the most pathetic SOB's I have ever seen. At least half of them need to come out of the closet. Behold the future of men in America. A bunch of weak castrated apron wearers.

[ThatGuy865]

There is no reason or necessity for any man under 40 to pay for pussy. It is not cheaper. By no means. And its only lame guys under 40 who need to resort to P4P as their only means of getting laid. Most are socially awkward in one manner or another. Its not the women. Its them.

P4P for a man under 40 is definitely a minority view. Actually to make P4P a lifetime goal as the sole method for getting laid is a minority view no matter what age you are. But especially for anyone under 40. Its one thing to do it as a sideline hobby, vacations, get a little strange on the side. But as a lifestyle for life as the sole and only method for getting laid. Then they have an issue. Whether it be self esteem, rejection issues, self absorbed, but an issue non the less. Of course IMHO.

[SavePros321]

pay close attention to the guys though. double chin, soft cheeks and jaw line, small adam's apple, high pitch voices. all signs of low testosterone, in guys in their 20's-30's. i think our american food plays a role in guys making dumb decisions. i agree with most of your post, spot on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd3kg0fv7tsspeaking of which (marriage), i happened to stumble upon a new word today: "divorce [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)":

i was divorce raped. don't be me

submitted 1 month ago by rp_divorced

several people wanted to hear my story after reading my recent comments so i thought i'd oblige because it is probably helpful to others. it's long but i wanted to show you what life is like if you follow in my footsteps.

i'll start with the disclaimer that i'm in my current situation because of my own actions. i allowed every bit of this to happen and i take full responsibility. i was blue pill / beta bucks to the extreme until i said fuck it and drew a line in the sand. now i'm divorced and giving her a ton of money every month. i'm broke but happy. you don't have to end up in the same position.

how i got here

i met my now ex-wife when i was a junior in college. she was the exact opposite of me. extroverted, life of the party, always seeing the positive and ignoring the negative. i was much more reserved and didn't need to be the center of attention.

i was a year ahead of her in school so a few months before i was to graduate, she said "where is this going? i'm not going to waste my time if this isn't going to lead to marriage. ".

i bought the engagement ring the next week with my student loan money.

at this point of my life despite being a former college athlete, a stellar student who was nominated for the highest academic award for graduating seniors, and starting student groups on campus i was depressed and had no self esteem. when she gave me what was essentially an ultimatum, i had just been put on the waiting list for the graduate program i wanted to attend. i was told to apply to medical school instead because it was easier to get into but i didn't want to spend the next 10 years in school because i was getting married to this great woman.

when we first got married, we were 22 years old. i worked 4 pm-1 am and she worked temp jobs from 8-5. it was the mid 90's just before the dot com boom so jobs weren't as easy to come by. she got bored quickly and started to spend her time in the evenings shopping. when i got the credit card bill, i was pissed and cut up the credit card. when she found out, she told me that i couldn't do that and that it will take time for her to adjust because her dad would buy her anything she wanted when she was growing up. she used shopping as therapy the rest of our marriage.

after being married a year, she tired of working temp jobs because her sociology / women's studies degree wasn't very useful in finding a job of substance. she decided that she was going to go back for a masters degree to become a teacher. it was her life's calling, she said. i was completely opposed as was her entire family. she quit the job she had at the time and went to school full time. i paid for her degree in addition to the house we had just bought on my salary alone because i had just self-studied my was to becoming a microsoft certified systems engineer. at the time, this certification was a license to print money. in reality, it made it so that she'd never have to work the rest of our marriage.

by the time she finished the degree, our first child was born so she was in no hurry to get out there and work. eventually, she did get a teaching job and quit after one week. that was the end of her teaching career. it was no longer her life's calling and i was supportive because i was the breadwinner who was supposed to support his family. over the years, two more kids were born and she took a job here or there that never lasted more than a few months at a time.

our third child was born by the time i was 30 and i had become extremely resentful because she made it known that the world revolved around her. and i let it continue. she told me one day that it was just expected of me to go to work so that didn't count when comparing our responsibilities. i was expected to do just as much around the house as she was and she let things sit until i was home. her days were spent with her friends and their children or dropping the kids at mothers morning out so she could have some adult time. cleaning and cooking could wait until i was home to help. any time i mentioned that the situation was unfair was met with a list of all the things i didn't do right in the relationship. she could do no wrong.

by year 15 of our marriage, i was done. i had become nothing more than an atm for her and she did anything she wanted. she decided to finally get a full time job because she was unhappy with life too. the truth was that we were constantly stressed because of money because the credit cards were always maxed and we had no money despite my excellent salary. my hamster was working overtime thinking about how great life was going to be now that we had two incomes!

that ended quickly when she wouldn't get home until after 7 each night and i had to do all the cooking, cleaning and homework as well as listening to her complain about her "horrible" coworkers who "didn't know how to run a business" every night for two hours. so i did what a lot of guys do. i got a blow job from a 24 year old who showed some interest in me. i deserved it, i thought. my ungrateful wife didn't care about anything other than my paycheck and she never gave me blow jobs.

the road to the red pill

i had what could best be described as a come to jesus moment after i left blow job girl. i don't know why it did, but it hit me that i had been rationalizing my own actions in order to cope with my miserable life at home. i had been depressed for a long time and kept blaming my wife for it. if only she'd do a, be and see, i would be happy. this is when i saw the bullshit in my own head for what it was.

blow job girl continued to text and i kept blowing her off so i could deal with my own shit. she started getting crazier and more ballsy by calling and texting when she knew i'd be home with my family so i told my wife what happened. we started marriage counseling a week later and i got on an antidepressant and went to therapy on my own as well.

i went into couples counseling and fell on my sword and took responsibility for everything. i essentially handed any little shred of control i might have had in the relationship to my wife and i would never get it back. over the next two years, we went to counseling off and on. i thought we had worked through everything because the ex would constantly say that she had forgiven me. even the counselor was pissed because i would say "i hear her say she has forgiven me, but i don't feel like she has. " the counselor asked me what more i wanted, she said she forgave you. i told her i wanted to feel forgiven. so at every session, i was given something else the wife wanted me to do to be a better husband and i would do it only to be given another task at the next session.

i finally realized that the man my wife said she wanted was not me and that the marriage was probably over so i took what could best be described as the nuclear route. one night while sitting in bed i told my wife that i wasn't satisfied with the relationship and things had to change if we were going to be together. i told her that she was getting all the benefits out of the relationship and i was getting none. she exploded and told me that i was getting many benefits. when i asked her to name them she said "i raised our children to be great people. " i laughed and told her to take the kids out of the equation and then tell me what benefits i was getting. she had no answer so she asked what i wanted.

this is where i put the final nail in the coffin of our marriage. i had been reading trp extensively and decided at this point that i didn't care if i stayed married or not so i told her that i wanted blow jobs, a clean house and dinner when i got home. needless to say that didn't go over well and was the subject of our final counseling session. the therapist was digusted with me and i simply sat there and said that's what i want. at this point, my wife said her now famous comment, "if we get divorced, i'm going to rock my next husband's world!" i started interviewing divorce lawyers the next week knowing what was coming.

divorce

when my wife finally said she wanted a divorce, i simply responded "ok" because i knew it was coming. i then waited for her to file papers so that i'd be the one who got served but she never would. she demanded i move out of the house before she filed. i have no idea why that was her requirement, so i filed instead. i also cut off her access to my paycheck and didn't give her any money at all. she had a part time job that could cover her own stuff.

she kept demanding that i move out and i told her i wouldn't until she agreed in writing to 50/50 parenting time with the kids. she wouldn't agree. she wanted $1000 a month temporarily and to have a 60/40 split on parenting time. i ended up living in the house with her for almost six months until we ended up in court. when we left court, i left with 50/50 parenting time and only had to pay her $800 a month. she isn't very smart.

the divorce dragged on for another few months all while she was running around town messing with several different guys. the main guy was on probation and worked at a second-hand store. she loved telling all her friends about her escapades and her friends husbands would sometimes tell me.

the divorce finally ended when we made an offer that her lawyer couldn't ignore without risking that he might not get paid. she tried to keep fighting but eventually agreed when her lawyer threatened to quit on her. her lawyer was willing to walk away without getting paid because of her insanity.

in the end, i'm paying her 25% of my salary over the next eight years. it could have been worse, because we were married long enough that i could have been on the hook for lifetime alimony. in addition, i had to pay my lawyer, her lawyer, 50% of all my retirement funds and give her another few thousand dollars to make her go away. it cost me $20 to get married and will cost me over $220,000 to get divorced. i got the only thing i truly wanted which was 50/50 parenting time with our kids.

lessons learned

don't live life how others think you should.

you come first in your own life and everyone else will be better for it.

don't forgo your own happiness for the happiness of others.

don't get married young. in fact, don't get married.

marriage has almost no benefit to the person with the higher income.

deal with your own problems now!

awalt

what she says is irrelevant, only her actions matter.

be diligent, gaslighting is real. you naturally want to believe everything told to you by someone who loves you.

if you're headed for divorce, you have to be two steps ahead of her to be able to get a fair deal. the courts are still far more favorable to women.

i hope this helps some of you see what happens if you are beta bucks. don't let this happen to you. let me know if you have any other questions i can answer.

http://www.reddit.com/r/theredpill/comments/2d6337/i_was_divorce_raped_dont_be_me/

[SavePros321]

There is no reason or necessity for any man under 40 to pay for pussy. It is not cheaper. By no means. And its only lame guys under 40 who need to resort to P4P as their only means of getting laid. Most are socially awkward in one manner or another. Its not the women. Its them.
You see, that's that (North) American mindset that gets people into trouble. Everyone else in the world where prostitution is legal would not agree with you. How do you explain someone like Wilmer Valderrama (actor from "That 70's Show)?

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First, Wilmer Valderama has had sex w / the following women. :

1. Venezuelan hoars when he was 14 & still in Venezuela

2. Ariana Richard

3. Lindsay Lohan

4. Mandy Moore

5. Ashlee Simpson

6. Jennifer Love Hewitt

7-150. Random bartenders, strippers, waitresses & whoever likes money, Venezuelan schlongs & fame!

http://moejackson.com/2006/03/27/2006-03-27-wilmer-valderrama-on-howard-stern-i-had-sex-w-lindsay-lohan-mandy-moore-ashlee/

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And don't even get me started on A Rod, LOL.

You cannot broad brush everyone to somehow be "losers" because they want and can pay for sex. I can only speak for myself, but I'm very happy with my current lifestyle and choices. Stress free, answer to no one but myself, no child support payments or alimony bleeding my paychecks. I have lots of hobbies and potential money-making hobbies that keep me occupied outside of work. I am traveling to a different country just about every three months to bang chicks most guys dream about. In fact, I can say without any uncertainty that between 2008-Present I have banged more chicks than most average guys will every bang in a lifetime.

As far as mongering being expensive, you are correct. BUT mongering can be as cheap or get as expensive as you want it to be. Your "hurdle costs" (or "fixed costs") will always be airfare and hotel or apartment rental. All other costs you can control. You can bang 10 chicks, or you can bang one or two chicks over multiple days. Most guys will have at least one favorite girl. Tell her she can make $300 USD over 5 days and give her $60 a day (don't be stupid and give it all to her up front). Same with food costs. You can eat out in a restaurant every night of your stay, or you can have a chica come over and cook for you.

As you can see (literally), there isn't much anyone can say to convince me I am doing something wrong, LMAO!

You can keep that AW option in the middle for yourself. I'm generous like that :D

[TellAll]

There is no reason or necessity for any man under 40 to pay for pussy. It is not cheaper. By no means. And its only lame guys under 40 who need to resort to P4P as their only means of getting laid. Most are socially awkward in one manner or another. Its not the women. Its them.

P4P for a man under 40 is definitely a minority view. Actually to make P4P a lifetime goal as the sole method for getting laid is a minority view no matter what age you are. But especially for anyone under 40. Its one thing to do it as a sideline hobby, vacations, get a little strange on the side. But as a lifestyle for life as the sole and only method for getting laid. Then they have an issue. Whether it be self esteem, rejection issues, self absorbed, but an issue non the less. Of course IMHO.Good thing your humble opinion is wrong. I travel, have fun and have sex with hot women. I would not trade my life now for the one I had twenty years ago. The idea of having to date some woman, try to impress her, so maybe I can get some sex, I'll leave that life for you and others like you or the others in sexless marriages.

Like I tell my friends, I am ruined for life and glad of it.

By the way, as I write this I am in Cambodia holding up the minority view.

[Dickhead]

That Guy is right about very little but he is right that our viewpoint is a minority one. And thank goodness for that! Most guys, especially American guys, don't have the balls or the money to do what we do. Too bad for them. But the fewer of them, the more pussy for us!

Lots of times my women friends want to fix me up with someone and it's hard to tell them why I am not interested. But if I could be honest, I would say:

1) Your friend is way fat and out of shape and all messed up in the belly and titties and thighs from having kids.

2) Your friend is still supporting those adult loser kids.

3) Your friend may have a college degree but she has never traveled, speaks no other language, and has no street smarts.

4) Your friend can't cook worth shit.

5) Your friend is on some fucked up diet and won't eat anything I cook, and wants to go to weird restaurants.

6) Your friend can't manage her money and has all kinda credit card debt and shit.

7) Your friend is on anti-depressants, which she says have really helped her, but what they have really helped her to do is become more erratic and self-absorbed.

And most of them have five or more of these seven syndromes.

On my next 8 day sex trip, I will spend about $2,000 total and I will bang 12 to 15 different women. I will spend 10 to 15 minutes chatting each one up before the sex and 5 minutes engaging in pleasantries after the sex. 100% of them will give me blow jobs. 0% will receive alimony.

[Weben]

As a single male who is now 42, I still have no problem getting laid; particularly with Asian women and do so without promising any relationship. For years, I hooked up with a flight attendant from a SE Asian airline when shy had an long haul run to LA. I still have a couple very attractive friends with benefits where I live and other cities I work in. Hell, I am going out Friday night with a 25 year old (American) woman who is in school (not looking for a sugar daddy), just a companion. Women like mature, working men that are in reasonable shape. However, that does not mean I do not pay for pussy. When I think about it, I am going to take a woman to a fine dinner, relax, and maybe see a show here in Vegas while working. All that will cost me more than 1 hour with a professional. But, in return I get a night of amazing sex. She just has high expectation for oral satisfaction, which is why she probably keeps me around.

Personally, I like the saying "we don't pay for sex, we pay them to go away". One time while traveling in Vietnam I met a very smart, well educated woman engaged in International Trade. She had an MBA from a European University and was very cute, late 30's. I didn't make the move, she did after we spent our free time on the weekend together and next thing I know we are having sex all day Sunday afternoon. However, that went from friends to she was "in love" with me. Frankly, I felt a little bad as I didn't want to ruin a professional relationship. But, small head did the thinking. Not every women is open to FWB arrangement.

So, when I was younger, my goal was never to make a career out of paying for sex. But did I on occasion, of course how could I not when working in Singapore and Thailand. Sex in a relationship is great, in fact it is the best when you have a good partner. However, I like to be pampered sometimes. A nice massage, then more intimate contact to relax me. My point is, when I pay, it means I don't have to worry about pleasing her and I can focus on my sexual desires. But, that is probably consistent with your view. Just don't forget that there are some men with physical disabilities or maybe just are unattractive leaving them with little confidence. At least they can obtain some physical pleasure. In Hong Kong if you look up sites like 141,168 or some others, women specifically state they service the physically disabled. Hell, in some countries I am sure it is covered by insurance.

And furthermore, now being over 40, I have no intention to pay for anything on a regular basis when I am still in good shape and find the older I get the easier it has been to hook up with women in the 30's and 40's for nothing but a little attention. Women at this age have raging hormones and some I cannot even keep up with; but than God for Cialis.


There is no reason or necessity for any man under 40 to pay for pussy. It is not cheaper. By no means. And its only lame guys under 40 who need to resort to P4P as their only means of getting laid. Most are socially awkward in one manner or another. Its not the women. Its them.

P4P for a man under 40 is definitely a minority view. Actually to make P4P a lifetime goal as the sole method for getting laid is a minority view no matter what age you are. But especially for anyone under 40. Its one thing to do it as a sideline hobby, vacations, get a little strange on the side. But as a lifestyle for life as the sole and only method for getting laid. Then they have an issue. Whether it be self esteem, rejection issues, self absorbed, but an issue non the less. Of course IMHO.

[ABCinLA]

I think almost all of us when we first think of women at a young age we're not thinking about paying for sex but just getting it. Nevertheless we all develop at a different pace for almost

everything including social skills with the opposite sex. I mean for whatever reason I could never play tennis as well as Roger Federer no matter how many lessons I've had. But I love

the sport. But going on I believe most of us have gone through several devastating relationships (or maybe just one) before we figure out what we really want from the opposite sex.

This happened to one prior co worker of mine at 17 and caused him to look at women differently. Consequently, some guys of course not all, who go for p4 p before 40 its because they

have been hurt already and maybe more than once. They figured out what they want and they can control it better with p4 p. I myself had a 21 year old girlfriend at 48 but she was

maybe a 7. 5 to 8. 0 but it cost me $400 for gifts, dinners, etc. before I got sex. Nevertheless she did not have the type of body I truly want petite, slim body with a huge rack. I'm well

north of 40 and love to pay for that body type. For myself physical attractiveness is extremely important which caused me to marry the woman I did and needless to say she was the

worse American wife who left me broke in my mid 40's.

Now we can line ourselves up and for a variety of reasons some of which are unclear to men there will be young guys whom

women will write their cell phone numbers on a piece of paper and place it in the guys front pocket while others for no apparent reason have the most difficult time. Guys who fall in the

back of the line maybe can't get the girls they really want. Life is most unfair in almost everything. Thank god I was not born a girl in Afghanistan.

[George90]

Hahahaha. G90, thanks for the laugh. This was exactly my experience growing up in New York. I got a degree and worked a respectable job yet was ignored by all the women I wanted. A 15 year marriage and a divorce, I'm at peace with myself. Thank God for mongering.I am happy I could give you a laugh.

[D Cups]

Thanks SP who said "Lessons Learned. Don't get married young. In fact, don't get married. Marriage has almost no benefit to the person with the higher income. What she says is irrelevant, only her actions matter. ". This story compellingly illustrates what I have been saying. Sorry you had to go through all that. Geez I feel kinda lucky being a confirmed bachelor.

[D Cups]

Good thing your humble opinion is wrong. I travel, have fun and have sex with hot women. I would not trade my life now for the one I had twenty years ago. The idea of having to date some woman, try to impress her, so maybe I can get some sex, I'll leave that life for you and others like you or the others in sexless marriages. Like I tell my friends, I am ruined for life and glad of it.By the way, as I write this I am in Cambodia holding up the minority view.I'm with you 100% on this, TellAll.

[Jon32]

There is no reason or necessity for any man under 40 to pay for pussy. It is not cheaper. By no means. And its only lame guys under 40 who need to resort to P4P as their only means of getting laid. Most are socially awkward in one manner or another. Its not the women. Its them.Let's be a little open minded here! I think you've been back in america way too long my friend.

Absolutely nothing wrong with someone in their 20's getting P4P. Who knows what their situation is, what they like / dislike, and who cares? I remember being in the caribbean for 4 years when I was about 25 and literally walking up and down the beach picking up non-pros to bang. Did I still get P4P at 25? Hell yeah I did! My whole life I've had a non-pro on call to hang out and never had issues talking to or picking up women. And I still love getting P4P.

We're all pretty well traveled on this board, we all know other countries are way more open minded than america. I see zero issues with a 20 year old going to get a massage and some extras on the side. If I grew up outside america I would have been even worse! Even back when I was in the states I still liked to pick up a SW here and there when I was 20 - and I had pussy on tap from my university.

Now I'm an expat for over 10 years and haven't looked back. Nothing wrong with P4P, we're on the wrong message board to judge people who like getting it, at whatever age.

[ThatGuy865]

as with most men who p4p. most read what they want and not the complete post. i did not say p4p itself is wrong for anyone of any age.

i said for a "under 40" guy they shouldn't need to do it. but i can understand in certain situations where one might partake. a bachelor party, out of town with friends at an event, in the navy with limit port call, etc etc etc.

what i did say though. for anyone "under 40" . who uses p4p as their sole method of getting laid. that person my friends has social skills issues. and has given up on trying to develop them.

someone mentioned a kid of 17 having been turned down / hurt by the few gf's he may have had. so what. he's only 17. everyone during their teens faces heartaches. that's why they are called crushes. because at that age they hurt. someone should have sat him down and explained. its a part of growing up. love hurts. it happens to everyone. but to advise him to quit trying to develop relationships and enter the p4p game is ridiculous at best. and only stagnant his growth with social skills development with women. for a teen to resort to solely going to p4p. means he will then stay stagnant in that mode and never develop.

would you advise him to quit on every social aspect of life he encounters failures. a few guy friends betrays him. would you tell him not to associate / bond with guys any longer.

as for those who posted celebs who have had p4p partners. again. as i said. solely. i repeat solely. uses p4p. is a reflection of a man's failure to deal with relationship issues. i never said the guy would be sad. that doesn't take away the fact he has issues.

hell a serial [CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126) maybe happy. that doesn't mean he doesn't have issues. and i'm not trying to equate the two. so don't get huffy about. like i'm saying the two are the same. i'm not. its an analogy.

so yes. you can spend $2000 and get 12 to 15 women without talking / compromises in less than 10 minutes each. whoopty doo. is that something special. any guy walking down the street with the same amount can do the same. and with the same women most likely, if not better. so what does that mean. besides you got laid for 2000 . sure its fun, i'll admit, but shallow.

i do not say this to put anyone's activities down as i engage in the game myself. but its not my sole means by which i meet / associate / have relations (sexual or otherwise) with women.

as a part time thing. i'm right there with you. hell i'll even party with you. but to make that the only way one can have relations with a female companion. reflects on ones social's abilities / deficits. and of course that's just. imho.

now this is not the thread for this discussion anyway. this is about aw and their beautiful virtues. hehehe.

[SeizeTheDay]

the world has changed, as i said in another post women want the top of the line guys today. this is heightened in larger cities, and washington the. see. is the most notorious. in fact washington the. see. is considered amongst many on the internet to be the hardest place on earth to get women. a good looking guy in great shape can go up to a fat ugly girl and get shot the fuck down and made to feel less than that girl. this is simply genetics. women have evolved to be attracted to tall guys with big muscles. this is because before homo sapiens developed cites and societies these traits presented the best chance of survival for her and her offspring. also these traits symbolize a greater chance of strong healthy offspring. now once walled cities, taxes, government, slaves, salaries etc. had been created; being big and strong was not as important as wealth, because your healthy baby could still starve to death or live a life of poverty. this is where traditional hypergamy comes in, which is the practice among hindu women of marrying into a caste at least as high as their own. now this really applies to all women, as women here in american would marry a guy with more education, wealth, and status than themselves. this has stagnated because women have been striving to break down barriers and to compete with men. now women in their thirties who desire to marry after years of corporate ladder elevating, looking around and discover that they have more education, wealth, and status than every man. because of women's sexual liberation, women go to college and get fucked by half the football team and so on and so forth. these women have no interest in short, skinny, ugly men. just because a man was not born tall, dark and handsome does not make said man "lame". this view is so astonishing to me because it does not sound like that of a true man. men value intellect, honor, truth, perseverance, courage, strength, valor, selflessness for the good of the pack, and creativity. because a young man today lacks the physical traits to attract a young women twerking on a bar table he is lame? have we crumbled as a society that men judge themselves upon their ability to impress a women? a woman is a creature with no scene of honor, truth, courage, integrity, or loyalty. the ability to attract women can be an asset depending on your reference frame, but in no way does it make a man a man. to say that someone has a self-esteem issue because they cannot attract women, is the position of thought that an american woman would have. the issue is you if this is your stance. this is prevalent throughout our modern american society. three hundred pound women post photos of themselves saying they are attractive and beautiful. to who! an unattractive man, who admits that he is so, does not have a self-esteem problem he has honesty. but honesty is something the modern american man has no concept of, because men and women in america are indistinguishable. the unattractive man does not have rejection issues; he will be rejected by women. to say that women will chase after the unattractive man merely because he is under the age of forty is a blatant lie. and what living creature on this earth is not self-absorb? to throw yourself on the sword to appease our female masters and gods, i am dumbfounded at the notion of this. also it is a contradiction to say that "there is no reason or necessity for any man under 40 to pay for pussy. " but then just a few sentences later give not only the reason but the necessity for him to pay for pussy "most are socially awkward in one manner or another. " but not being socially awkward is not enough in america today; i have read in the comment section of pick up artists blogs that "don't bother learning game unless you are above average in physical attractiveness. " this is what i have been saying for years now. in my opinion unless you are in the top percentile among men in appearance do not bother. i am not saying that an ugly man cannot have sex, i am saying you probably would not want to been seen in public with that women your fucking. i have read about the golden age of pickup (early 2000's) when any ugly duckling with game could walk into a club and leave with a hot chick. this was when the internet was still young, no facebook, twitter, instagram, vine. myspace was not even launched to 2003. women did not have an iphone or galaxy s glued to their eyelids or google glass in front of them either. those days are long gone. in hindsight that time period was the last before society's technologically enhanced rapid descent in to utter depravity and abject destitution.

is mongering cheaper than having sex for "free"? the answer is relative to the person in question; however there are things to consider. for instance this free sex could result in pregnancy which could absolutely decimate a young man's life. the demoralizing hassle of trying to entertain women and convince them to willingly have sex with you. women that stalk you, and key your car because you had sex with multiple women. the false [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) claims, and the fact the men are guilty until proven innocent on college campuses under our current president. i read an article about cost per orgasm (cpo), the authors model consisted of adding up all the money you spend on a woman and divide it by the number of times you have sex with the women. he gave an example of spending $300 to have sex twice. your cpo would then be $150. but what the author did not talk about, but what i could not get out of my head was 0. the number 0. what if you spend money, any amount of money on a women and she then says "let's just be friend". well in mathematics division by 0 is forbidden, if you divide by zero you get infinity or it is undefined. if mathematics and physics describes the nature of the universe then the universe has made it quite clear that you should not spend money and not get sex. the universe has stated quite clearly that the possibility of sex which is nothing more than dubious expectation is not enough.

for myself there is no doubt that mongering is the best option, it is the safest, cheapest, the most relaxing and rewarding. however i wonder if american women will catch on a try to ban us passport holders from travelling to dr, cr, col, bra, thai, phi. taxes on single childless people have already been proposed, and taxes on expatriation have been raised. as america slips further towards being indistinguishable from the rest of the world, i wonder how much of a choice we will be given in the future. tellall the other day talked about how chasing after the american dream cuased him to be miserable. it is not our dream it is theirs, it is only a nightmare for those of us who believe the illusion. my generation the millennials are fucked. the educational system is a scam, buying a house is a death wish (the word mortgage translates to death pledge in french), buying a car is suicide. marriage presents no benefits and is a legal contract for modern day slavery. what if you want children? well luckily i do not want children ever! children are looked upon as leaving a legacy, however if you make $35,000 a year and can barely support yourself as an unknown on a floating space rock amongst 7. 3 billion people. you are much better off trying to do your best to enjoy life than leaving a legacy. once you are dead i doubt you will give a flying fuck about your legacy anyway. but if you did have children what would they be like? probably a loud opinionated daughter that kisses her loving father with dick breathe while have cum drip out of her asshole. she is constantly asking daddy to come to the rescue when she fucks up, that is when she is not spending your money faster than her mother. and your gay son will probably be similar. and if your son is heterosexual (not likely anymore), he will be indoctrinated to resent you from birth by his mother that hates you ironically because you love her and the kids so much. your son will inherit a world of censorship and political correctness. he will be an enslaved cog of the system in "the land of the free". he will be effeminate due to his mother and the emasculated nature of today's society. there is a war against men in this country; they want to bend us to their whim. look at all the men who have fallen in sports lately, ray rice, adrien perterson, thiago silva, anthony johnson etc. these men have been banned or suspended from their sports. ray rice and adrien peterson lost their nike contracts. but nothing happened to hope solo. she is still representing the united states national women's soccer team. she did not lose her nike contract. it is quite clear what is going on in this society. this is reality and this is the future.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2014/08/28/u-s-hikes-fee-to-renounce-citizenship-by-422/

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2014/07/19/the-worst-investment-you-can-make-buying-a-home/

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/20/sports/soccer/in-hope-solo-case-us-soccer-doesnt-get-it-right-either.html?_r=0

[SavePros321]

That Guy is right about very little but he is right that our viewpoint is a minority one. And thank goodness for that! Most guys, especially American guys, don't have the balls or the money to do what we do. Too bad for them. But the fewer of them, the more pussy for us!
Amen to that!

I don't even discuss mongering with non-mongers anymore. The few guys I tried to enlighten about our hobby looked at me as if I had just cursed their mothers or something. I make it a rule to only talk about mongering with monger's who are currently in the game, or those that come to forums like this looking for info.

[Mr Enternational]

Let's be a little open minded here! I think you've been back in america way too long my friend.

Absolutely nothing wrong with someone in their 20's getting P4P. Who knows what their situation is, what they like / dislike, and who cares? I remember being in the caribbean for 4 years when I was about 25 and literally walking up and down the beach picking up non-pros to bang. Did I still get P4P at 25? Hell yeah I did! My whole life I've had a non-pro on call to hang out and never had issues talking to or picking up women. And I still love getting P4P.Jon, I think what you said is more of what ThatGuy was trying to say, but it did not come over correctly. You have many guys on this board who have figured out for whatever reason that the only thing they want with a woman is sex. Those guys seem to have sworn off women who are not prostitutes or relationships with women that they can't pay to leave. These are the guys who refer to the place they live as sex prison.

Then there are other guys like you, me, and ThatGuy who love normal women and don't have a problem picking them up, but still like to fool around with hookers every now and then when travelling, but really have no use for them when we are in our own cities, and could not have hookers as our end-all, be-all. This type of guy is not waiting 3 months to return to Dominican Republic or Philippines or having to call up some backpage college girl who needs money for books. They can just call up some chick they know to come over and eat, drink wine, and fuck...or just come over and fuck in many cases..with no strings attached.

There are guys fretting over what could be happening to their favorite P4P spot, such as law enforcement crackdown or hooker pick-up venue closing, then there are other guys who could care less because they will still go to those same spots and be able to pick up regular chicks.

[SavePros321]

Thanks SP who said "Lessons Learned. Don't get married young. In fact, don't get married. Marriage has almost no benefit to the person with the higher income. What she says is irrelevant, only her actions matter. ". This story compellingly illustrates what I have been saying. Sorry you had to go through all that. Geez I feel kinda lucky being a confirmed bachelor.Just keep in mind that this was an article I took from another website. I've never been married or ever plan to be.

[SavePros321]

is mongering cheaper than having sex for "free"? the answer is relative to the person in question; however there are things to consider. for instance this free sex could result in pregnancy which could absolutely decimate a young man's life. the demoralizing hassle of trying to entertain women and convince them to willingly have sex with you. women that stalk you, and key your car because you had sex with multiple women. the false [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) claims, and the fact the men are guilty until proven innocent on college campuses under our current president. i read an article about cost per orgasm (cpo), the authors model consisted of adding up all the money you spend on a woman and divide it by the number of times you have sex with the women. he gave an example of spending $300 to have sex twice. your cpo would then be $150. but what the author did not talk about, but what i could not get out of my head was 0. the number 0. what if you spend money, any amount of money on a women and she then says "let's just be friend". well in mathematics division by 0 is forbidden, if you divide by zero you get infinity or it is undefined. if mathematics and physics describes the nature of the universe then the universe has made it quite clear that you should not spend money and not get sex. the universe has stated quite clearly that the possibility of sex which is nothing more than dubious expectation is not enough.

what if you want children? well luckily i do not want children ever! children are looked upon as leaving a legacy, however if you make $35,000 a year and can barely support yourself as an unknown on a floating space rock amongst 7. 3 billion people. you are much better off trying to do your best to enjoy life than leaving a legacy. once you are dead i doubt you will give a flying fuck about your legacy anyway. but if you did have children what would they be like? probably a loud opinionated daughter that kisses her loving father with dick breathe while have cum drip out of her asshole. she is constantly asking daddy to come to the rescue when she fucks up, that is when she is not spending your money faster than her mother. and your gay son will probably be similar. and if your son is heterosexual (not likely anymore), he will be indoctrinated to resent you from birth by his mother that hates you ironically because you love her and the kids so much. your son will inherit a world of censorship and political correctness. he will be an enslaved cog of the system in "the land of the free". he will be effeminate due to his mother and the emasculated nature of today's society. i'm going to start calling you "prof day"! this guy is dropping theories and thesis left and right!

you will be just fine in this life amigo. can't say the same about the other 23 yr old males in your age bracket.


neo: "why do my eyes hurt?

morpheus: "you've never used them before..."

[D Cups]

Just keep in mind that this was an article I took from another website. I've never been married or ever plan to be.Gotcha, SP321.

[SeizeTheDay]

I'm going to start calling you "Prof Day"! This guy is dropping theories and thesis left and right!

You will be just fine in this life amigo. Can't say the same about the other 23 yr old males in your age bracket.


Neo: "Why do my eyes hurt?

Morpheus: "You've never used them before..."Thanks SavePros321. I love that quote. So many people today do not want to look at what is right in front of them. Ignorance is bliss, but knowledge looks like those sexy ass chicas you posted below. Every man has his choice. Whether they choose American women or something else entirely, I wish them all the best the same.

[IndusMint]

I have for my whole 51 years of life believed a women is about used up and old at 30-35. They don; t look that good really and the youthfulness is gone. In America they have gained at least 50 to 100 pounds and have that bitchy attitude. So soon I be going to the land of 10 thousand girlfriends THE PHILIPPINES. Where a 51 year old fat old bald guy can buy himself a nice 20 year old hot ass girlfriend and when he is bored of her trade her in for another newer model. Takes 5 minutes to find a girlfriend there.Which city do you go to?

[KaveMan]

To Kaveman:

I'm not as experienced in the web scene and P4 P scene abroad, and P4 P scene in US is horrible to say the least.

I've been trying Mamba for Russia and will now try Match for US. Any other recommendations like EU websites, Iceland, etc.

In your experience, what are the top 5 P4 P areas in EU, Nordic, and Russian areas? I've only been to German scene so far, but will be venturing to UK / Ireland area, Holland, Austria, and Ukraine (given Putin doesn't nuke it).

BTW any advice from anyone other than Kaveman is welcome, TIA.I feel P4P is always disappointing; you are on the clock; she's detached on some level; and its depressing to be 10,000th in line for her pussy.

EU is P4P is marginally better than USA; and the freebies are limited to sluts and strippers looking for free tickets or rides to better capitols.

Match has provided me with 65 Women between ages of 20-35 over the last 4 yrs for essentially free (as a I spend $0 in any other female / social aspect).

Best part is you can have sex in like 1 hr after meeting and fuck the shit out of them for like 4 hrs, next morning, in shower and as many weekends as you want.

The free repeat business aspect is what makes it appealing; as well as having your confidence, dignity, and self-respect intact.

I get P4P concept, but a Man has to be able to get pussy. That's a basic concept of evolution that you can't talk away.

[KaveMan]

I'd say. Kaveman's plan is just statistics. Also you are not just sending 50 emails a day. There is time reading thru responses which has to grow as the responses from each 50 from the previous days come in. This takes some serious dedication. It has to be close to a second job.It doesn't take that much time at all. I can double tap, cut / paste 50 "Hi's" in 7 minutes. Response time on two responses is 15 seconds.

-Out of 50 emails, you get 1-2 qualified responses (ie, not bs, toying, pen-pal txt, tease) you will develop a sense for it.

-So that 1-2 emails where you double tap, paste lets meet at XYZ Bar, 8 pm, etc.

-25/100 success ratio, Those 75 other times you are out in public, with a hot, young Woman; building confidence, expertise, and being social. How is this worse than being home aloe or with your fat wife.

-Not being near a restaurant / bar near home. MOVE! What are you waiting for; if you can monger 10,000 miles /$s you can save money by moving to a better place.

-POF / OKC / Tinder and all Free dating sites are crap. Why? Its free and attracts shit. 100% of you are guys over 40. If you can't afford $40, your a cheapo! When you pay $40, as a Woman you are taking it seriously. For some of these gals its up there with Cable, Cell or Electric bill as budget item and they are not wasting it not showing up or playing games.

100% of you guys are making excuses. Join, send out 50/ day (3.5 hrs a month!) and I challenge you to come back and not report at least 1-2 Freebies a month.

[KaveMan]

why are the married guys on isg still married.

seems like:

you spend 99% of your time with a woman you don't find sexually attractive o who will not have sex with you.

you spend 1% of your time mongering.

if you flip this scenario you can monger 100% of time.

is society, money, job, loneliness, peer-pressure, denial preventing you from seeing this?

seems like a bizarre, obvious fact of the mongering lifestyle.

[KaveMan]

Is mongering cheaper than having sex for "free"? The answer is relative to the person in question; however there are things to consider. For instance this free sex could result in pregnancy which could absolutely decimate a young man's life. The demoralizing hassle of trying to entertain women and convince them to willingly have sex with you. Women that stalk you, and key your car because you had sex with multiple women. The false **** claims. He gave an example of spending $300 to have sex twice. Your CPO would then be $150. For myself there is no doubt that mongering is the best option, it is the safest, cheapest, the most relaxing and rewardingTake a look at online dating.

-Condom; no pregnancy.

-no-****: Her filthy post-facto txts, pussy pics, I enjoyed your fucking "evidence".

-Psychos: screen out; w /75 dates per year, you have luxury.

-Hassle: double tap cut / paste texts minutes per day; bang in your home; boot when done & repeat.

On Match I have banged 65 Women between 20-35 7-9's over last 4 yrs.

1 drink $25.

1 Hour and fuck.

The Smart Phone, texts, dating sites have brought the price of pussy down.

See my posts on my 50 texts / day, 18,000/ year, less 1% success rate where I bang 24 hot babes.

[TellAll]

I feel P4P is always disappointing; you are on the clock; she's detached on some level; and its depressing to be 10,000th in line for her pussy.

EU is P4P is marginally better than USA; and the freebies are limited to sluts and strippers looking for free tickets or rides to better capitols.

Match has provided me with 65 Women between ages of 20-35 over the last 4 yrs for essentially free (as a I spend $0 in any other female / social aspect).

Best part is you can have sex in like 1 hr after meeting and fuck the shit out of them for like 4 hrs, next morning, in shower and as many weekends as you want.

The free repeat business aspect is what makes it appealing; as well as having your confidence, dignity, and self-respect intact.

I get P4P concept, but a Man has to be able to get pussy. That's a basic concept of evolution that you can't talk away.I am just an average looking guy. I have tried match, pof and others.

I don't get fifty to a hundred emails and the ones I do get come not from 20 somethings but from fat 50 somethings I wouldn't touch.

I had a good looking friend who told me to put more effort in it. He never did online dating because he had to many women crawling all over him. Women found him extremely attractive. Everywhere we went women were trying to pick him up.

I did an experiment. I created a phantom profile, wrote the exact same thing as mine on it, but put his picture on it.

In 3 days had 300 emails. One women said she wasn't going to pay for full membership until she saw my / his picture.

A lot of those women were hot and almost begging him to respond.

I then changed my profile, said I had been hurt before and wasn't looking for a relationship, only sex. (I wrote it just like that).

200 emails in 3 days. I woman said she lived in California but could fly to Texas twice a week for sex.

By the way in the same time frame my real profile got no hits.

To say that the playing field is equal is a lie. To say all you need is social skils is also bull. I worked my way up the corporate ladder in my job, you can't do that without social skills.

In Texas we say, God made some men big and some men small, but Colt made them all even. So does P4 P.

[SavePros321]

In Texas we say, God made some men big and some men small, but Colt made them all even. So does P4P.YES! Love that line, hahaha!

[ThatGuy865]

SeizeTheDay uses the most ridiculous examples for reasoning and SaveaPro calls that "Professor" material.

He sites the few worst case scenarios. Looks for failures. To justify his reasoning. As if the other Millions of men in relationships without these problems don't account for nothing.

All of sudden after the year 2000. The Internet / FB and social media has become the problem. DUH. Some how because of that. Women don't date regular looking 20 yr old guys any longer. Only Adonis or his wealthy friends can get laid.

If a guy has a date and strikes out. He should quit dating and just pay for sex. Period. Because. Damn it. We went on a date, I should get pussy. Well boo hoo. To think just because one goes on a date, a woman should fuck and if not. Fuck it. I give up on dating and only pay for pussy now because. After all. I'll get pussy is a cop out. Giving up.

Also this COP (cost of pussy) is way off. As guys with girlfriends (from Dating , fuck 100's of times for nothing, watch TV and fuck, she cooks and they fuck, . After you are dating, you fuck just because you care for each other. Without paying anything.

But I can understand why you wouldn't understand that concept. Because. You only get pussy by paying. That is what is called giving up and not trying to Develop Social Skills.

Do you think it has been different in any era. No man always scores no matter how good he looks or how much money he has. Its a matter of having confidence in one's self to know this and press forward.

His statement. "A woman is a creature with no scene of honor, truth, courage, integrity, or loyalty" . Says it all.

This is a guy who has obviously been shot down and instead of being a man and learning the fact that no man bats 100 . He instead looks to every excuse to instead of "Man up" . He has "Given up" .

I know of many. Short, overweight, fast food workers, Walmart workers who have healthy normal sex lives with attractive women. Yes attractive women. Attractive women, come at every economic level of society. Not every beautiful woman is born wealthy or has access to wealthy men. And most often with women in their 20's. They are attracted to guys for the most mundane of reasons. He's funny, he's so sweet, he has nice eyes. Look at his butt its cute.

Sure you can P4P for the rest of your life and have sex. But what about a healthy relationship with someone who cares about you. Doing the things, couples do. Oh yeah. You'll hire an escort to do those things too. Pay a girl to do social activities for the rest of your life.

99.9% of the worlds men. Not just American men. But the world over. Use dating to have relationships with women.

In no country in the world do the majority of men advocate. Prostitutes as a man's sole and only means of relationship with women. Nowhere.

Courtship and Marriage is the basis of relationships the world over. That alone tells you who is socially adjusted and who is not.

It not an American thing. Its a man thing. Don't worry about the ones that get away and enjoy the successes as 99.9% of men do.

There is nothing wrong with P4P, it has its place and I enjoy it as much as the next man. But to say it should be anyone's sole and only way to have relationship with women. Is in mine and 99.9% of the worlds view. A person with social deficits and ineptitude's.

But to each their own. As it harms no one else, enjoy.

Thatguy. Peace.

[Mr Enternational]

To say that the playing field is equal is a lie. To say all you need is social skils is also bull. I worked my way up the corporate ladder in my job, you can't do that without social skills.What kind of skills do you think are needed?

http://youtu.be/abw6huc3hQA

[TellAll]

What kind of skills do you think are needed?

http://youtu.be/abw6huc3hQAYou need to be perceived as attractive to the AW or rich. If you can't get past the initial rejection because you don't look attractive enough to them, all the social skills will do you no good.

As in my online dating experiment, it didn't matter what I wrote, it was my friends photo they saw. Do you think they could tell if he had social skills by the photo?

To say an Average Joe can't get a hot girl would be inaccurate. But he will invest a whole lot more time, effort, rejection, money and aggravation to get one and for me, it's not worth it.

I'm back in Pattaya now. On my way to a Bar be Que Buffet in a few hours. There will also be booze and about 40 women there to take care of my needs should it arise.

Nobody has made a good enough arguement to me that dating in america is better than my life now. I don't knock dating, some people need that connection. I just don't.

[Jon32]

Why are the Married Guys on ISG still married.

I was married for 1. 5 years, worst decision ever. I got married for the simple fact that I want kids. I still do want kids, maybe I'll make another terrible decision and do it again one day.

[ThatGuy865]

Take a look at online dating.

On Match I have banged 65 Women between 20-35 7-9's over last 4 yrs.

1 drink $25.

1 Hour and fuck.

The Smart Phone, texts, dating sites have brought the price of pussy down.

See my posts on my 50 texts / day, 18,000/ year, less 1% success rate where I bang 24 hot babes.KaveMan,

I applaud your On-Line dating capabilities. At least you have evolved with the evolution of dating using technology to your best advantage.

But as I said. It still requires time and patience, not every person wants to do. 50 texts a day, 18000 a year. Keeping track of each conversation is time consuming. I'm not knocking it. But one has to be real. It does take time and either you have a super memory or you need to keep track of each conversation some way.

Also its not as free as you make it out to be, You have to pay the monthly member fee's. And of course, not every girl you meet jumps right into bed, so there are those 1 drink misses. Also I would say others may disagree with your assertion these women are 7 to 9's. Especially all fucking you 1 hr after meeting you after only 1 drink.

I have been on both on-line sites and rarely see a 9. More like 5's and the occasional 7 or 8. I would imagine most would say. You are hitting more 5's and 6's. And an occasional 7 maybe an 8.

You haven't stated your age. Which also makes a difference in responses one would receive from on-line dating. As a Man over 55 yrs old, no matter how good he looks will receive very few responses from women in their 20's and 30's.

Still regardless of all that. I think your method IS better than P4 P for the USA It would not be needed, if one lived overseas, and most who go overseas do P4P because its quick and efficient and not looking to go thru the dating ritual.

As for marriage, guys do it for a number of reasons, kids and family being the foremost. A constant companion being another. Look George Clooney, who was a notorious womanizer. Just married.

Most (always exceptions) guys regardless of wanting a variety of pussy. Once they find THAT woman they think / feel they relate to on more than a sexual basis, meaning they can have meaningful conversations, the same humor, the same outlook on life.

Whether they marry or live together. They want that woman to be with them in a on-going relationship. Whether or not. They desire / cheat with other women or not. They still want that woman to be there.

[Riina]

The Smart Phone, texts, dating sites have brought the price of pussy down.So true! I will also add that Facebook has been a great facilitator of connecting people for rendezvous, especially EE's in America.

[Dickhead]

http://chronicle.com/article/California-Shifts-to-Yes/149057/

So does that mean if she tells you to stop while you are in the middle of cumming, that you have to stop cumming? That whole state could secede and it wouldn't bother me a bit.

[George90]

http://chronicle.com/article/California-Shifts-to-Yes/149057/

So does that mean if she tells you to stop while you are in the middle of cumming, that you have to stop cumming? That whole state could secede and it wouldn't bother me a bit.YES!!!!!!

I saw a woman on TV talking about this law and what might be considered a reasonable length of time for a man to stop sex after she said no. The woman claimed that men have no problem quickly stopping sex if children interrupt their parents or a teenager has no problem quickly stopping if parents interrupt him with his girlfriend. She argued that men are supposed to stop that quickly when the woman changes her mind and says "Stop having sex with me".

[SeizeTheDay]

http://chronicle.com/article/California-Shifts-to-Yes/149057/

So does that mean if she tells you to stop while you are in the middle of cumming, that you have to stop cumming? That whole state could secede and it wouldn't bother me a bit.I am sure ThatGuy865 will be on here soon to tell you that you are overreacting, and that you should follow all the rules and guidelines with no fuss like a good little boy.

[Carlos3000]

http://chronicle.com/article/California-Shifts-to-Yes/149057/

So does that mean if she tells you to stop while you are in the middle of cumming, that you have to stop cumming? That whole state could secede and it wouldn't bother me a bit.DH,

You mean that you cannot stop and withdraw in the middle of cumming? Where's your self control? (Snark off). I didn't know whether to laugh or cry after reading this article. No wonder most of us would rather endure a root canal than date an AW. The comments are great.

[Dickhead]

My self control is all over her tonsils and epiglottis.

[Jesterl]

SeizeTheDay uses the most ridiculous examples for reasoning and SaveaPro calls that "Professor" material.

He sites the few worst case scenarios. Looks for failures. To justify his reasoning. As if the other Millions of men in relationships without these problems don't account for nothing.

All of sudden after the year 2000. The Internet / FB and social media has become the problem. DUH. Some how because of that. Women don't date regular looking 20 yr old guys any longer. Only Adonis or his wealthy friends can get laid.

If a guy has a date and strikes out. He should quit dating and just pay for sex. Period. Because. Damn it. We went on a date, I should get pussy. Well boo hoo. To think just because one goes on a date, a woman should fuck and if not. Fuck it. I give up on dating and only pay for pussy now because. After all. I'll get pussy is a cop out. Giving up.

Also this COP (cost of pussy) is way off. As guys with girlfriends (from Dating , fuck 100's of times for nothing, watch TV and fuck, she cooks and they fuck, . After you are dating, you fuck just because you care for each other. Without paying anything.

But I can understand why you wouldn't understand that concept. Because. You only get pussy by paying. That is what is called giving up and not trying to Develop Social Skills.

Do you think it has been different in any era. No man always scores no matter how good he looks or how much money he has. Its a matter of having confidence in one's self to know this and press forward.

His statement. "A woman is a creature with no scene of honor, truth, courage, integrity, or loyalty" . Says it all.

This is a guy who has obviously been shot down and instead of being a man and learning the fact that no man bats 100 . He instead looks to every excuse to instead of "Man up" . He has "Given up" .

I know of many. Short, overweight, fast food workers, Walmart workers who have healthy normal sex lives with attractive women. Yes attractive women. Attractive women, come at every economic level of society. Not every beautiful woman is born wealthy or has access to wealthy men. And most often with women in their 20's. They are attracted to guys for the most mundane of reasons. He's funny, he's so sweet, he has nice eyes. Look at his butt its cute.

Sure you can P4P for the rest of your life and have sex. But what about a healthy relationship with someone who cares about you. Doing the things, couples do. Oh yeah. You'll hire an escort to do those things too. Pay a girl to do social activities for the rest of your life.

99.9% of the worlds men. Not just American men. But the world over. Use dating to have relationships with women.

In no country in the world do the majority of men advocate. Prostitutes as a man's sole and only means of relationship with women. Nowhere.

Courtship and Marriage is the basis of relationships the world over. That alone tells you who is socially adjusted and who is not.

It not an American thing. Its a man thing. Don't worry about the ones that get away and enjoy the successes as 99.9% of men do.

There is nothing wrong with P4P, it has its place and I enjoy it as much as the next man. But to say it should be anyone's sole and only way to have relationship with women. Is in mine and 99.9% of the worlds view. A person with social deficits and ineptitude's.

But to each their own. As it harms no one else, enjoy.

Thatguy. Peace.Dude, you've been on this thread with the same nonsense, since, as a very young man, I returned from Japan, bewildered at the stank of the male-female dynamic in this country to the point it affected my decisions and career choices. How can you defend this paradigm? Look at the length of this thread.

[Jesterl]

I use Match, it's okay, but time consuming. However, I live in mid-sized, post-industrial city with poor demographics. Heck, even Craig's List is sufficient in NYC, any city under 800,000, its' crap.


I feel P4P is always disappointing; you are on the clock; she's detached on some level; and its depressing to be 10,000th in line for her pussy.

EU is P4P is marginally better than USA; and the freebies are limited to sluts and strippers looking for free tickets or rides to better capitols.

Match has provided me with 65 Women between ages of 20-35 over the last 4 yrs for essentially free (as a I spend $0 in any other female / social aspect).

Best part is you can have sex in like 1 hr after meeting and fuck the shit out of them for like 4 hrs, next morning, in shower and as many weekends as you want.

The free repeat business aspect is what makes it appealing; as well as having your confidence, dignity, and self-respect intact.

I get P4P concept, but a Man has to be able to get pussy. That's a basic concept of evolution that you can't talk away.

[Naked Gunz]

I feel P4P is always disappointing; you are on the clock; she's detached on some level; and its depressing to be 10,000th in line for her pussy.EU is P4P is marginally better than USA; and the freebies are limited to sluts and strippers looking for free tickets or rides to better capitols.Strippers! I go to TJ to get laid. I go to Dreamgirls to get F*UCKED! See the difference??

The reason for your low quality service is because you swim in shark infested waters. Any Westernized mongering is by clock watching business women that want to move on to the next customer. Better to go to the Phils or Africa where the GFE is standard by BF seeking semi, and non-pro. Nobody said you have to BE the BF. Just act like one like you're on TV. Go to the land where a man is a f*cking MAN. Not an ATM, not a means to an end, not a walking wallet.

[D Cups]

Strippers! I go to TJ to get laid. I go to Dreamgirls to get F*UCKED! See the difference??

The reason for your low quality service is because you swim in shark infested waters. Any Westernized mongering is by clock watching business women that want to move on to the next customer. Better to go to the Phils or Africa where the GFE is standard by BF seeking semi, and non-pro. Nobody said you have to BE the BF. Just act like one like your on TV. Go to the land where a man is a f*cking MAN. Not an ATM, a means to an end, or walking wallet.Right on. Never been to Africa but have seen pics of big hooters there. NG, are prices comparable to PI? Thanks.

[George90]

Right on. Never been to Africa but have seen pics of big hooters there. NG, are prices comparable to PI? Thanks.I have been to Africa, specifically Nigeria, many years ago. It was not for mongering, but I did some. It was my second trip abroad during which I mongered.

Be Careful! Appearances in Nigeria were very important and almost NEVER were accurate or truthful. Almost every adult woman, outside of the Muslim North, was available because of the grinding poverty. However, discretion was of the utmost importance. From her point of view, no one can know, or even suspect, for two reasons; the public shame, and the military police / government corruption as she will be robbed of her earnings. As a foreigner, such women were very difficult to get with unless you have a local friend / guide whom she trusts to keep her secrets.

I saw street walkers in some cities in some places but they were not appealing to me both physically and in how they behaved. I suspected they were likely to create drama and call in a pimp to rob the client. I did not see one SINGLE strip club or similar establishment anywhere. That does not mean they don't exists; they may be well hidden and accessible only to locals who pay bribes to the military police.

I saw my action in the south of Nigeria in the Igbo region; one city was Port Harcourt, I don't remember the other. My hotels were girl-friendly and the security guards let women discreetly make it known to single men that they were available for sex. The ones I had only did vaginal sex, no anal, no oral, no kissing. The price was dirt cheap by US standards; in the area of $15 US for all night and multiple shots.

I must strongly warn against trying to monger in the Muslim area of Nigeria or other strongly Muslim country. I was in Kano in the north of Nigeria and it was very noticeable how women were treated there versus the South. One thing was how few adult women I saw in public. Store clerks, bank clerks, restaurant workers, hotel workers, street vendors, etc. Were overwhelmingly men. In the South, there were lots of women in such jobs.

IMHO, the sex will be better with an AW than with a Nigerian woman in Nigeria, in terms of the variety of sex acts she is willing to do.

[D Cups]

I The price was dirt cheap by US standards; in the area of $15 US for all night and multiple shots IMHO, the sex will be better with an AW than with a Nigerian woman in Nigeria, in terms of the variety of sex acts she is willing to do.Yikes, good to know. Nigeria will not be on my to do list. Thanks, George.

[George90]

Yikes, good to know. Nigeria will not be on my to do list. Thanks, George.Note my caveat. My trip to Nigeria was in the late 1980's or early 1990's. There have been many changes since then. There was a military government then, not the current democratic one. There was some political unrest because there had been a coup attempt several months before my trip. (I should have done better research.) The capital is now Abuja, not Lagos. The value of the naira was 13 to the US dollar during my trip. It is over 150 now. And most of all, an entire new generation of girls has grown into women. So your mileage is likely to be very different from what mine was.

That said, I have never returned to Nigeria nor do I ever plan to.

[Mr Enternational]

That said, I have never returned to Nigeria nor do I ever plan to.I was in Abuja about 3 years ago. I share your exact sentiments.

[Naked Gunz]

Right on. Never been to Africa but have seen pics of big hooters there. NG, are prices comparable to PI? Thanks.To me, Pinays are sweeter than peach juice. They smile while swimming through their dog shit of a life. GFE is almost guaranteed.

Don't let these guys scare you off. West Africa is more Westernized than the East. In other words, more hustlers. Nigerian influence reaches across most of that part of Africa. Kenya is a different mindset. More traditional people. Africa in general should be treaded lightly, but much fun to be had there too! RTFF in Kenya, buy a ticket, have a ball!

[D Cups]

To me, Pinays are sweeter than peach juice. They smile while swimming through their dog shit of a life. GFE is almost guaranteed.

Don't let these guys scare you off. West Africa is more Westernized than the East. In other words, more hustlers. Nigerian influence reaches across most of that part of Africa. Kenya is a different mindset. More traditional people. Africa in general should be treaded lightly, but much fun to be had there too! RTFF in Kenya, buy a ticket, have a ball!OK thanks, NG. I recall seeing some photos in the Ghana thread awhile back that were quite motivational.

[Ken_Apples]

When someone that has never met someone else, claim that this person (whom they never met) have given up / not trying hard enough / whatever reason, it just comes across as absolute naive. (or very youth-ish).

As someone wrote, just see the length of this thread, and still in denial there is a problem today. Well, IMHO, that is pure rank amateur thinking.

And if this thread is not representative for the male population of planet Earth, maybe a global blockbuster movie, that hit boxoffice homerun on every continent, can help ring a bell?

The film quote is:

An entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables, slaves with white collars.

Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need.

We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression.

Our Great War's a spiritual war. Our Great Depression is our lives.

We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars.

But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off.

End quote.

So next time you wine and dine a nonpro that think that her shit smells like roses, just give her the finger and stay with the pro's.

No reason to comply or play modern womens bullshit games.

No reason at all.

Your life, your rules.

Happy hunting for all kinds of women, just don't take BS, Ken Apples.

[FiddyCent]

When someone that has never met someone else, claim that this person (whom they never met) have given up / not trying hard enough / whatever reason, it just comes across as absolute naive. (or very youth-ish).

As someone wrote, just see the length of this thread, and still in denial there is a problem today. Well, IMHO, that is pure rank amateur thinking.

And if this thread is not representative for the male population of planet Earth, maybe a global blockbuster movie, that hit boxoffice homerun on every continent, can help ring a bell?

The film quote is:

An entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables, slaves with white collars.

Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need.

We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression.

Our Great War's a spiritual war. Our Great Depression is our lives.

We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars.

But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off.

End quote.

So next time you wine and dine a nonpro that think that her shit smells like roses, just give her the finger and stay with the pro's.

No reason to comply or play modern womens bullshit games.

No reason at all.

Your life, your rules.

Happy hunting for all kinds of women, just don't take BS, Ken Apples.Hey Ken_Apples.

It has been a while since I watched Fight Club. So true.

FiddyCent.

[George90]

Don't let these guys scare you off. West Africa is more Westernized than the East. In other words, more hustlers. Nigerian influence reaches across most of that part of Africa. Kenya is a different mindset. More traditional people. Africa in general should be treaded lightly, but much fun to be had there too! RTFF in Kenya, buy a ticket, have a ball!LOL!

If I was seriously trying to scare guys off from Nigeria, I would harp on Boko Haram and what they might do to a Western man whom they caught mongering with the women that they want to kidnap and sell. I mean ISIL has beheaded 4 Western men already. Can Boko Haram be far behind?

[Naked Gunz]

LOL!

If I was seriously trying to scare guys off from Nigeria, I would harp on Boko Haram and what they might do to a Western man whom they caught mongering with the women that they want to kidnap and sell. I mean ISIL has beheaded 4 Western men already. Can Boko Haram be far behind?Did I tell people to go to Nigeria? Reading is about com·pre·hen·sion- 1. The action or capability of understanding something. Learn to freaking read before you open your gap. These are grown men fully capable of making their own decisions without your seriously feminine trait of hysterical interjection. DON'T, DON'T, DON'T is one thing my mama and my wife loved to scream in my ear.

[Carlos3000]

Note my caveat. My trip to Nigeria was in the late 1980's or early 1990's. There have been many changes since then. There was a military government then, not the current democratic one. There was some political unrest because there had been a coup attempt several months before my trip. (I should have done better research.) The capital is now Abuja, not Lagos. The value of the naira was 13 to the US dollar during my trip. It is over 150 now. And most of all, an entire new generation of girls has grown into women. So your mileage is likely to be very different from what mine was.

That said, I have never returned to Nigeria nor do I ever plan to.G90 & Gunz,

You are both correct in your assessment of the mongering scene in west Africa and Nigeria in particular. I was in Nigeria and Liberia (I know, I know, but I'm feeling ok, knock on wood) in February 2014 and July 2014, respectively. Both of these trips were for work but I did some mongering on the side. Check out my trip reports on both countries in the respective sections.

In Nigeria, a lot has changed but sadly a lot remains the same. Still too many people trying to rip you off, both women and men. Hotels are terribly expensive and no mongering infrastructure to speak off. Unless you are with a trusted local, it's best to stay away from this country. I used Afro to set up dates prior to my arrival and most of the dates were no show. The one that showed tried to lure me to a very unsavory part of town. Not with the headache.

Liberia and specifically, Monrovia, while less dangerous than Nigeria is not user friendly at all. You are toast if you do not have a guide.

Never been to east Africa but from all that I have read on this board, it appears to be a lot more user friendly to the foreign monger. Hope to be there soon.

[Naked Gunz]

Gunz,

You are correct in your assessment of the mongering scene in west Africa and Nigeria in particular. Hell yes I'm correct. I had a Liberian GF while living in MD, that just wanted me to get her pregnant for yet another anchor baby and child support. I told her I had a vasectomy, but she seemed to not understand I could not knock her up. After about six months she gave up on me. On one occasion while dating her, she hired a Nigerian limo company to pick up her up daughter for the prom. The promised stretch limo by the Nigerians turned into a 15 yo Lincoln Continental on prom night. The girl was devastated.

I have a very cool Nigeria born, England raised, friend that is trying very hard to prove all Nigerians are not crooks. You can see HE wears the burden of his countrymen on his shoulders. I have never been there, but my friend has gone to visit there has told me to not even leave the airport if you arrive at night. When HE goes there, his family won't let him go out after sunset. The point is, and what I thought I had made before is that West Africans are HUSTLERS! They have to be, in that country of 100 million. When I go to Nairobi, Kenya and walk down the street, all I encounter is hard working people trying to make a living. When I talk to women on the street, they hear my American accent and don't' give a shit, they keep on moving- and I'm Black. It's actually easier for a white guy to talk to a woman on the street.

It's easy for anybody to get laid though. Clubs are fabulous, cause Kenyans love to have a good time. As I said. RTFF for Kenya, go and have a good time. Yes, it's not Pattaya, Thailand, but I'm not 75 years old yet, and needs the P4 P handed to him on a platter. If your in that part of the world, Kenya is an English speaking country with shapely young women available to show you a good time, without Colombia or Brazil prices.

[The Cane]

May as well call the place "Lieberia".

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/07/14/most-corrupt-countries/2512785/

[SeizeTheDay]

I found this quite interesting. Most men would find nothing wrong with this, however an astute observer can gain insight into the minds of these women. This video gives a glimpse of these women's psyche. Notice how these women feel entitled to all this money, when you know they are not sucking dick, giving up pussy. One girl said she does not even take her clothes off because of her great pole skills, yet another says if you are not balling stay your ass at home. Well advice taken, if I am going to pay a women I want my fucking moneys worth. Just like an American women take, take, take and don't give shit back.

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhOogZD9O5U68C81FD

[SavePros321]

I found this quite interesting. Most men would find nothing wrong with this, however an astute observer can gain insight into the minds of these women. This video gives a glimpse of these women's psyche. Notice how these women feel entitled to all this money, when you know they are not sucking dick, giving up pussy. One girl said she does not even take her clothes off because of her great pole skills, yet another says if you are not balling stay your ass at home. Well advice taken, if I am going to pay a women I want my fucking moneys worth. Just like an American women take, take, take and don't give shit back.

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhOogZD9O5U68C81FDTalk about one big fucking clip joint! I was going to comment further, but you seemed to have covered it all: you got these dudes buying crazy expensive bottles of champagne and throwing money around like its going out of style, but are not fucking any of those chicks in that club. Just listen to how they (the strippers) talk! And as you pointed out, of of the chicks says she doesn't even take her clothes off. Imagine the look on her face if you asked to run her ass or something, LOL!

That entire video looked like a failed marriage: you got the pussy literally right next to you, but there is nothing you can do with it (and she won't let you do anything with it).

[Naked Gunz]

: you got these dudes buying crazy expensive bottles of champagne and throwing money around like its going out of style, but are not fucking any of those chicks in that club. Just listen to how they (the strippers) As I said before, "Go to a hooker to get laid, you go to a strip club to get fucked".

[Carlos3000]

Talk about one big fucking clip joint! Ding ding ding! That's exactly what this place is and the same for most of the strip clubs in New York. It cost you $25 to park and regular beers cost you $8. The women are some of the most entitled you will meet in your life. But this is par for the course in the US of A. I visited once at the insistence do a buddy. Strip clubs are not my thing largely because I don't feel anything and don't care for most AW.

[TellAll]

Ding ding ding! That's exactly what this place is and the same for most of the strip clubs in New York. It cost you $25 to park and regular beers cost you $8. The women are some of the most entitled you will meet in your life. But this is par for the course in the US of A. I visited once at the insistence do a buddy. Strip clubs are not my thing largely because I don't feel anything and don't care for most AW.I also have friends that like them and try to drag me with them. In my opinion they are a bunch of sex starved fools not getting any from there wives.

They go to strip clubs hoping to get a little attention from a women. A little attention is what they get. The money they drop in one night, I could get fucked several times a day for a week.

I'm back in the states now and can feel the depression setting in. I may have to move my next trip up.

[Jp Slicky]

Its like dangling a carrot in front of a hungry horse and HE does not get it in the end.

[Mr Enternational]

It all depends where the strip clubs are. If I take you to the hood in Atlanta your experience will be much different than somewhere in California. I was a DJ in an Atlanta strip club my last year of high school. When I went to the Navy I was stationed in San Diego and there was a place calles The Body Shop. 2 drink minimum $20. The chick put in a cassette tape and danced around with her top off. After that she came around and collected money from all the guys. I was lime what the fuck. In Atlanta we get down and dirty. Even eating pussy, getting head, and sometimes fucking for $40.

[ThatGuy865]

In Atlanta we get down and dirty. Even eating pussy, getting head, and sometimes fucking for $40.Tell me this strip club. Because. I will have to start asking the ATL guys I know. Why the hell they monger overseas when they can get head from strippers in ATL for $40.

That might have used to been the case. But I don't think you will find anywhere now. Getting head at $40. Otherwise let me know the clubs. Because. I'll be there with some fellas by end of the month.

[Naked Gunz]

Even eating pussy, getting head, and sometimes fucking for $40.I have lived in both places. Your right about San Diego. Any idiot still going to a strip club there, when Tijuana is only a few miles South is truly an idiot. Sorry, but my memories of Majic City, Blue Flame and other ATL strip joints DO NOT include $40 BJ. You must be talking about very "in the hood" joints that few people know about. Don't make it sound like pussy is the norm in ATL strip joints. LE is alive and well in Georgia. I could, however, regularly get strippers to come to my hotel after the place closed in Virginia.

[TellAll]

Tell me this strip club. Because. I will have to start asking the ATL guys I know. Why the hell they monger overseas when they can get head from strippers in ATL for $40.

That might have used to been the case. But I don't think you will find anywhere now. Getting head at $40. Otherwise let me know the clubs. Because. I'll be there with some fellas by end of the month.Count me in. A ticket to ATL is a lot cheaper then a ticket to Thailand.

[The Cane]

I have lived in both places. Your right about San Diego. Any idiot still going to a strip club there, when Tijuana is only a few miles South is truly an idiot. Sorry, but my memories of Majic City, Blue Flame and other ATL strip joints DO NOT include $40 BJ. You must be talking about very "in the hood" joints that few people know about. Don't make it sound like pussy is the norm in ATL strip joints. LE is alive and well in Georgia. I could, however, regularly get strippers to come to my hotel after the place closed in Virginia.I don't know about now, but pussy used to be on the menu in many of the San Francisco strip clubs. I used to get pretty pussy, get my dick sucked. Even fucked an attractive blonde in the ass in one of the clubs! I had already done her in the pussy, and she said "maybe the next time you can fuck me in the ass". When she said that, I was like hell no let's go for it right now LOL! All of it (sex, BJs) was for more than $40 mind you, but the San Francisco strip clubs definitely "had it going on" when it came to fucking and sucking in the clubs. Especially at The Cinema on Market Street. Those were some days!

[Naked Gunz]

I don't know about now, but pussy used to be on the menu in many of the San Francisco strip clubs. I used to get pretty pussy, get my dick sucked. Even fucked an attractive blonde in the ass in one of the clubs! I had already done her in the pussy, and she said "maybe the next time you can fuck me in the ass". When she said that, I was like hell no let's go for it right now LOL! All of it (sex, BJs) was for more than $40 mind you, but the San Francisco strip clubs definitely "had it going on" when it came to fucking and sucking in the clubs. Especially at The Cinema on Market Street. Those were some days!Been there too. Used to live in Oakland in my youth. When I returned during my Navy days in the eighties went to maybe that same cinema, and was surprised at the gals sitting in guys laps gyrating at frantic pace to get them off. Hell, maybe they were fucking, I just thought they were dry humping through clothes. I was still young stud those days and picked up women easily, so I did not join in. I remember going to that club in the Transamerica building and practically fucking at the table.

[D Cups]

Especially at The Cinema on Market Street. Those were some days!Ya, I've been there a few times. They used to feature mega busty porn stars. There was a little known room up a secret stairs where you could bang them. I did Kayla Kleevage, Chessie Moore and Minka the Korean bombshell there.

[The Cane]

Ya, I've been there a few times. They used to feature mega busty porn stars. There was a little known room up a secret stairs where you could bang them. I did Kayla Kleevage, Chessie Moore and Minka the Korean bombshell there.They would always feature porn stars at the Market Street Cinema. That's where I fucked that blonde in the ass too. And, there were girls there who would actually do bareback. Not a lot, but there were some (pretty ones too), and the thing is they would proposition you! I wasn't a big partaker in bareback, but one time I was boning my favorite blonde in there (another one) and looked down and saw that the condom had totally shattered to smithereens (was one of those cheap ones I think I bought in the restroom). I had already nutted in her when I realized that the condom had broken! Anyway, she went by "Rita Erotica" and would DFK and everything. Tried to get her to meet me outside of the strip club for fuck sessions, but she would not. I miss those days man! The Market Street Cinema was the wild, wild West!

[SeizeTheDay]

For all you guys demanding young guys to sleep with American women please stop. It is dangerous people, this country does not give a fuck about you. Men are being persecuted in American for being born male. Note that the "child" is 27 years old. I have seen enough, there is enough evidence out now to know what to do. The only option now is to just leave these women alone, this type of thing happens far to often. You guys decide, I bet some of you think he is wrong and should be paying right? I bet some of you just think well hey give the women the money she deserves it because she has a vagina. Well fuck that.

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh8F3n0b0cnhLbV7l6

[Naked Gunz]

For all you guys demanding young guys to sleep with American women please stop.

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh8F3n0b0cnhLbV7l6Hmmm. Hi Seize. Uhhh, well. In a word- WTF is your point?

I would have assumed English is not your first language, but I am familiar with your previous posts. I get the video, but not your post. Comedy writing ain't your forte. I WILL, however,add that at least (according to the video) the dead beat mom is trying to help this dumbass. He is familiar with the inside of a jail, as was I when I did very, very STUPID shyt. It sounds like he will eventually get out of all this child support madness, but it will cost him (really pro bono: the taxpayer) some coin to get out of it. 70k is a lot of fuckin money.

Detroit. She must be a cute Black judge.They have so many female Afro-Am judges on TV making big TV money, this Detroit area sista is looking to make a name , garner some attention, and try to get some of that TV money(espescially if she is kinda cute).

I remember reading how many judges made a poor guy continue child support payments back in the day even if said man proved the child was not his via DNA. The point being it was for the benefit of the child which should be protected at all costs, and if some dude started payments / signed the birth certificate, he will be compelled to continue by the court, even if he is not the biological father. If somebody can help with info, please advise.

[SeizeTheDay]

Hmmm. Hi Seize. Uhhh, well. In a word- WTF is your point?

I would have assumed English is not your first language, but I am familiar with your previous posts. I get the video, but not your post. Comedy writing ain't your forte. I WILL, however,add that at least (according to the video) the dead beat mom is trying to help this dumbass. He is familiar with the inside of a jail, as was I when I did very, very STUPID shyt. It sounds like he will eventually get out of all this child support madness, but it will cost him (really pro bono: the taxpayer) some coin to get out of it. 70k is a lot of fuckin money.

Detroit. She must be a cute Black judge.They have so many female Afro-Am judges on TV making big TV money, this Detroit area sista is looking to make a name , garner some attention, and try to get some of that TV money(espescially if she is kinda cute).

I remember reading how many judges made a poor guy continue child support payments back in the day even if said man proved the child was not his via DNA. The point being it was for the benefit of the child which should be protected at all costs, and if some dude started payments / signed the birth certificate, he will be compelled to continue by the court, even if he is not the biological father. If somebody can help with info, please advise.Thank you for the reply NG. I am sorry that you did not understand my post. I will work on my writing skills and try to produce better posts in the future. I apologize for any incoherence that may have been present in my last post, and hope that this mediocrity can be forgiven.

[Dark Knight1]

http://nypost.com/2014/10/25/teen-twins-charged-with-robbing-85-year-old-sugar-daddy/

Hey, girls, how do you like my Muffins?

The randy octogenarian allegedly robbed by teenage twin sisters he met on a sugar-daddy Web site used his adorable pooch — named Muffins — to put the moves on his young dates, a lawyer claimed.

[SavePros321]

I'm sure you fellas have heard about this video by now. Just more AW feminist bullshit to "train" men to better not even think about an attractive woman, let alone let her know you think she is attractive:

10 Hours of Walking in NYC as a Woman

http://youtu.be/b1XGPvbWn0A


Keep this in mind tomorrow if you decide to attend any North American Halloween parties and dare to comment on how sexy that chick dressed as a half-naked Miley Cyrus is. You might end up in jail for sexual harassment, lmao!

[Artisttyp]

I'm sure you fellas have heard about this video by now. Just more AW feminist bullshit to "train" men to better not even think about an attractive woman, let alone let her know she you think she is attractive:

10 Hours of Walking in NYC as a Woman

http://youtu.be/b1XGPvbWn0A


Keep this in mind tomorrow if you decide to attend any North American Halloween parties and dare to comment on how sexy that chick dressed as a half-naked Miley Cyrus is. You might end up in jail for sexual harassment, lmao!NYC has some of the most desperate men in America. I've seen girls get play that I wouldn't pay $20 to sleep with me. That's how it goes when you lose touch with reality after years of getting no action. What more does she want to prove?

Secretly woman love getting all that attention but they also love to complain about it. You can't win.

[SavePros321]

NYC has some of the most desperate men in America. I've seen girls get play that I wouldn't pay $20 to sleep with me. That's how it goes when you lose touch with reality after years of getting no action. What more does she want to prove?The thing about this video is that it highlights just how fucked we are as a society. Think about it: to demonize a man for trying to get the attention of a woman he finds sexually attractive goes against all kinds of natural mating habits. I wouldn't call most of the guys in the video "desperate". They are just responding how any man would if he saw an attractive woman (okay, maybe not the two guys who kept walking with her even though she would not respond to them. That is 100% desperate).

Most of the guys in the video were saying "Hello, beautiful, have a blessed day. " Back in an era of days gone by, if she would have turned around and said "thank you! How are you? You more than likely would have been conceived a few days or weeks later, LOL.

Not in 2014. You signal to an AW that she is attractive to you, and you are looked at as being "thirsty" (desperate). Like you said: you can't win trying to figure at a woman's reasoning. They bytch about not being able to find a man, then bytch about men trying to approach them and talk to them!

[TellAll]

I'm sure you fellas have heard about this video by now. Just more AW feminist bullshit to "train" men to better not even think about an attractive woman, let alone let her know you think she is attractive:

10 Hours of Walking in NYC as a Woman

http://youtu.be/b1XGPvbWn0A


Keep this in mind tomorrow if you decide to attend any North American Halloween parties and dare to comment on how sexy that chick dressed as a half-naked Miley Cyrus is. You might end up in jail for sexual harassment, lmao!OK maybe I'm a little slow but how is saying Hello or have a good day street harrassment?

Also if a guy doesn't talk to women that pass his way, how would he ever get a date. Society has set it up so the man has to risk the rejection while women give it. I guess it is only harrassment if she is not interested in that guy.

I can't wait until my next trip out of this fusked up country.

[The Cane]

OK maybe I'm a little slow but how is saying Hello or have a good day street harrassment?

Also if a guy doesn't talk to women that pass his way, how would he ever get a date. Society has set it up so the man has to risk the rejection while women give it. I guess it is only harrassment if she is not interested in that guy.

I can't wait until my next trip out of this fucked up country.Merely saying "Hello," or "good morning" is not "harassment" or "cat calling"! And then you've got some dweeb on TV like Anderson Cooper who doesn't even like women commiserating with her about how awful it all was! What would he know about how to approach a woman?

And like you said, the kicker is that it would all be fine if she liked the guy who was doing it! Now, in addition to being financially stable and able to take care of her ass, you need to be able to read her mind too before speaking to her just to make sure she's attracted to you before you say even one mumbling word to her! What a bunch of bullshit! I'll tell you guys what. This video right here demonstrates the American female mentality in this country perfectly:

https://screen.yahoo.com/sexual-harassment-000000677.html

Funny but also infuriatingly true! I prefer places where a man can still be a man and a woman a woman, and where each gender appreciates that in the other.

[Mr Enternational]

I guess it is only harrassment if she is not interested in that guy.That is the million dollar answer. If she would have walked by Brad Pitt and he said Hello, you can believe that would have been labeled neither thirst nor harassment.

[Akibono]

The thing about this video is that it highlights just how fucked we are as a society. Think about it: to demonize a man for trying to get the attention of a woman he finds sexually attractive goes against all kinds of natural mating habits. I wouldn't call most of the guys in the video "desperate". They are just responding how any man would if he saw an attractive woman (okay, maybe not the two guys who kept walking with her even though she would not respond to them. That is 100% desperate).

Most of the guys in the video were saying "Hello, beautiful, have a blessed day. " Back in an era of days gone by, if she would have turned around and said "thank you! How are you? You more than likely would have been conceived a few days or weeks later, LOL.

Not in 2014. You signal to an AW that she is attractive to you, and you are looked at as being "thirsty" (desperate). Like you said: you can't win trying to figure at a woman's reasoning. They bytch about not being able to find a man, then bytch about men trying to approach them and talk to them!Not true. They only ***** about pigs and losers that they are not interested in. I can tell you if you are someone they are interested in, nothing is considered harassment. Probably, you think that way is because you are one of them losers.

[SavePros321]

Not true. They only ***** about pigs and losers that they are not interested in. I can tell you if you are someone they are interested inSo, are you asking me to post my photo here so that you can tell me if women would find me attractive? Fag much? Or maybe you are really chick? Not going to take the time to read through your posting history to find out, especially if most of your time is spent asking to rate photos of guys on a forum about paying for sex with females.


nothing is considered harassment.Then why did they label the video "Street Harassment Video" genius?


Probably, you think that way is because you are one of them losers.Probably you think that way because English is not your first language. Either that, or you have no business being anywhere near a keyboard without your safety helmet on. Not that I am saying you type like a retard or anything.

[SavePros321]

That is the million dollar answer. If she would have walked by Brad Pitt and he said Hello, you can believe that would have been labeled neither thirst nor harassment.Not in this video. I take it you mean a guy who looked like Brad Pitt (not Brad Pitt himself), but it still would have not mattered. The entire purpose of it was to show men looking like thirsty dogs. She did not speak to one person the entire video, and was probably instructed not to no matter how attractive he was to her.

Think about a similar type video in where you tie a few hundred dollar bills together and drag them down the street. Then when people stare at the money or comment "that's a lot of money" you get to tell the viewers "damn, look at all these desperate mofos looking at my money!

It was mostly my fault for not recognizing that the video was made purely for shock value. None of those dudes stood a chance of getting any attention or response from her because that was not the intent to begin with.

Also of interest: I've never been to NYC, but it looks like she is taking a stroll through the Hood. She's walking past dudes sitting outside of shops with other dudes. They are probably there all day every day talking about what guys talk about when they are together: money, women, sports, sex, cars.

Why is there no footage of her walking down 5th Avenue or Wall Street or something? I'm willing to bet she'd get no cat calls in those areas, because no one there would give her a second look. I'm sure they don't have a bunch of white collar guys and Execs just posted up on the wall outside like those guys were in the areas she was walking around in.

[SavePros321]

NYC has some of the most desperate men in America. I've seen girls get play that I wouldn't pay $20 to sleep with me. That's how it goes when you lose touch with reality after years of getting no action.Damn, maybe you were right Artisttyp. Here is her (Actress) webpage:

http://shoshanabroberts.wix.com/shoshanabroberts#!photographs/c199t

Somebody told this broad she was hot, and apparently she believed them, LOL. Sarah Jessica Parker (horse face) ain't got shit on this chick! This one may actually be a horse in disguise, lmao!

And she's an actress like my dog is an actress:

Shoshana Roberts speaks out about New York street harassment video

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2014/oct/30/shoshana-roberts-speaks-out-about-new-york-street-harassment-video

[TellAll]

Not true. They only ***** about pigs and losers that they are not interested in. I can tell you if you are someone they are interested in, nothing is considered harassment. Probably, you think that way is because you are one of them losers.Pigs and Losers. There is not a man alive that has not faced rejection from a woman. Rich, poor, handsome, not so handsome. We all have faced it and continue to do so until we wise up.

For you to say all these guys were losers in this video is short sighted and misses the point. The whole point of the video was to man bash.

My definition of a loser is a person that criticizes those guys for doing what men are suppose to do. Try to get the attention of a women.

Whoever you are, you are so lost and probably beyond saving whether you are male, female or other.

[Mr Enternational]

Not in this video. I take it you mean a guy who looked like Brad Pitt (not Brad Pitt himself), but it still would have not mattered. The entire purpose of it was to show men looking like thirsty dogs. She did not speak to one person the entire video, and was probably instructed not to no matter how attractive he was to her.No. I mean the real Brad Pitt. You have to realize that before he was a famous actor he was just a normal guy from bumfuck who everyone could have given a shit about. But like you said, the video had a purpose and that purpose had to be served. Nothing abnormal. Dudes like chicks and try to pick them up. That is what they are supposed to do.

I think they were just trying to put the shoe on another foot. Worldstar is filled with videos of guys trying to pick up chicks but they turn him down. As soon as the realize that the Ferrari or Bugatti that he is standing next to is his they some are even willing to go to his house for sex without even knowing his name. There is another video when a guy pretends he is a sheikh and two chicks are willing to go back to his house. He calls for his driver. When the driver pulls up in a Toyota Camry the girls are like fuck that, we are waiting on our ride. Then one of my favorites, a guy walks over as a nerd to a girl who is passing out Applebee's flyers. She would not give him the least bit of play. He leaves and comes back an hour later as a gangster and talking pure shit to her and the next thing you know she is giving him a hand job behind a tree while she is on the clock.

[Carlos3000]

NYC has some of the most desperate men in America. I've seen girls get play that I wouldn't pay $20 to sleep with me. That's how it goes when you lose touch with reality after years of getting no action. What more does she want to prove?

Secretly woman love getting all that attention but they also love to complain about it. You can't win.This video had me laughing so hard I almost fell off the chair. Some of the shots were taken uptown in my neighborhood. We are not desperate in NYC, just creatures of our environment. I should say rather most guys in NYC because I have not dated here in ages. In NYC the average girl is full of herself just like the girl in the video. Unless you are a Brad Pitt look alike or a Wall Street banker getting a girl to bed requires substantial outlays of funds and time without the certainty of sex. I'm sure if I approach 50 girls a day as recommended by one of our ISG brethren I maybe could have sex with a regular girl at least 4 times a year. Who has that kind of time. I'd rather spend that effort on work, save my money, then go abroad to monger. Cut us some slack guys, we are surviving here.

[Rjsss212]

For you to say all these guys were losers in this video is short sighted and misses the point. The whole point of the video was to man bash.

My definition of a loser is a person that criticizes those guys for doing what men are suppose to do. Try to get the attention of a women.So I have 2 questions:

In your experience, have "catcalls" been an effective form of meeting women and / or initiating a relationship?

In your experience, however limited, in any major city. London, Berlin, Toyko, Lima, Buenos Aires, you pick it, would local women behave differently than US women, meaning would they stop and engage in conversation with the catcaller?

[TellAll]

So I have 2 questions:

In your experience, have "catcalls" been an effective form of meeting women and / or initiating a relationship?

In your experience, however limited, in any major city. London, Berlin, Toyko, Lima, Buenos Aires, you pick it, would local women behave differently than US women, meaning would they stop and engage in conversation with the catcaller?I never said cat calling those are your words.

I don't consider saying Hello, how are you or have a nice day cat calls and should provoke a positive response like saying Hello, back as manners would dictate even if there was no interest. You could still continue to walk.

When I am in Panama or Colombia in the mall or on the streets walking and yes girl watching, I might pay a lady a compliment. I might say Hello, beautiful.

Their face lights up, there smiling and they say Hello,. We continue to go our seperate ways or sometimes it leads to conversation, but they appreciate the compliment.

If you think saying Hello, or paying a lady a compliment is cat calling, then it is your experience that is limited, not mine.

[AnswerMe]

It feels like the feminist wants men to turn gay, maybe because so many feminist are not totally straight.

[George90]

So I have 2 questions:

In your experience, have "catcalls" been an effective form of meeting women and / or initiating a relationship?

In your experience, however limited, in any major city. London, Berlin, Toyko, Lima, Buenos Aires, you pick it, would local women behave differently than US women, meaning would they stop and engage in conversation with the catcaller?I recently read that politicians are floating the idea of making "catcalls" illegal. A man might then be arrested for saying something to a pretty lady that might be considered a "catcall". I guess we can all tell an election is in a few days and some candidates are desperate for the women's vote.

What is the common definition of a "catcall"? What might be the legal definition? Why can't our leaders find better things with their time and energy, and our tax dollars?

[Mr Gogo]

Sometimes the most innocent situation can blow up in your face and have dire results, that's why I like to travel for sex because there is no attachment. Most American women are fucked up and not worth my time.

Here's what happened last week; Two months ago a client came into my place of employment to do business. She was beautiful with a bubbly personality. Before she left that day she gave me her personal number, which I never called. Last week she came back and asked why I never called and I replied that I've been very busy. She proceeded to give me her number again and stood there as I put it into my phone and had me call her on the spot.

I really didn't think that I fucked up there, but I would soon realize my mistake. She would text asking how my day was and I would text asking the same. I made it clear that we were just friends. We never talked on the phone or went out on dates. We would go a few days without texting each other so I figured she had other things going. Well, she texted me yesterday asking what I was doing and I said I was spending the day with my girlfriend and the shit hit the fan.

I explained to her that we were just friends and I enjoyed texting with her but I was just being a nice person. She said fine and have a nice trip. About 20 minutes later she texted me repeatedly telling me I wasn't shit, that I was playing games like she was a little girl and to kiss her ass. I got mad and told her that she was just talking bullshit because I wouldn't give her dick or money. I told her to never text me again. Then she took it to the next level.

She threatened to ruin my career and go to my job saying I was taking advantage of clients. She said she would make my life hell and I had messed with the wrong. I received 22 text messages after I told her never to text me again.

I started back tracking going over the evidence (text messages) making sure my tracks were covered in case she went to my job with this bullshit. I clearly stated in my texts that we were just friends. I felt justified because I did nothing wrong except letting her get my number.

How could something so innocent go so bad so quickly? What if we had been sex-texting? Then she would have evidence of harassment. What if I had went on a date with her, how would I explain that to my boss. So many bad avenues that I could have detoured to that could have been disastrous.

Now no one will get my number. Oh! BTW I didn't have a girlfriend but I just felt saying that would keep us on the friend path. This situation reinforced my belief that it better to travel for girls that will appreciate my time and I can get on a plane and detach without any bullshit on the home turf.

[D Cups]

I recently read that politicians are floating the idea of making "catcalls" illegal.What a crock of crap. No doubt propagated by all those liberal feminist democrats. God help us if Clinton is our next prez. Oh well I'm moving to PI in 2022. This country used to be great and now. It's ruined.

[Rjsss212]

I never said cat calling those are your words.

I don't consider saying Hello, how are you or have a nice day cat calls and should provoke a positive response like saying Hello, back as manners would dictate even if there was no interest. You could still continue to walk.

When I am in Panama or Colombia in the mall or on the streets walking and yes girl watching, I might pay a lady a compliment. I might say Hello, beautiful.

Their face lights up, there smiling and they say Hello,. We continue to go our seperate ways or sometimes it leads to conversation, but they appreciate the compliment.

If you think saying Hello, or paying a lady a compliment is cat calling, then it is your experience that is limited, not mine.Sure, and I have heard from more than one Puerto Rican that its welcome and common there but this is the American women thread. If you're going to fashion a pick-up strategy based on behavior in a Panamanian shopping mall or women in Bayamon then by all means have at it. But, it's a losing strategy and I think there's no doubt that using a losing strategy over and over makes one a loser.

Oh, and manners? I don't know what your basis is but as I watched that video it reminded me of money changers in SoSewer. I don't need to say "gracias, no" or even shake my head no to every one of them, every day. An icy stare and moving along is a well accepted world-wide method.

Or was this a "should be" discussion?

[TellAll]

Sure, and I have heard from more than one Puerto Rican that its welcome and common there but this is the American women thread. If you're going to fashion a pick-up strategy based on behavior in a Panamanian shopping mall or women in Bayamon then by all means have at it. But, it's a losing strategy and I think there's no doubt that using a losing strategy over and over makes one a loser.

Oh, and manners? I don't know what your basis is but as I watched that video it reminded me of money changers in SoSewer. I don't need to say "gracias, no" or even shake my head no to every one of them, every day. An icy stare and moving along is a well accepted world-wide method.

Or was this a "should be" discussion?Well you are entitled to your opinion so have at them even if they are wrong. One thing you are correct about this is the American Women thread and manners and edicate don't work when it comes to women here. You are more them welcome to them since they seem to be your preference. I'm sure they would love a man like you. I prefer to not waste my time on them. I don't have a feminist handbook like you so I think I'll just stick to going where women don't mind being women and like the attention of men.

I will even let you have the last word so you can feel empowered as I would any opinionated female that doesn't have a clue.

[Rjsss212]

I'm sure they would love a man like you. Well, duh, isn't that the point?

[Melticio]

Dating no matter what, how or even who, really does need two people to have the "feel". It's a matter of observation in the first place that would make both of you decide on what's going to be the "next move". But no matter what it is that's going to happen, at the end of the road everything is still up to you to decide. If you want some real deal love advice, I'd really love to recommend this site guys (www.elove4u.net/). Literally speaking, this has helped me in a lot of ways during my darkest times.

Best of luck.

[KaveMan]

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?806-Zurich&p=1650994#post1650994.

Detailed Zurich review

Struck gold!

9-11's models at Club
Aphrodisia.

[UltraHappy]

http://sexualintelligence.wordpress.com/2014/11/26/the-sexism-behind-the-anti-escort-movement/

Very well written article. Brief excerpt:

Let's face the central question here squarely: are escorts mostly like other women, or are they some strange, alien species? If escorts are like most women, they have similar needs, similar interests, and make choices in similar ways. Many activists and other people don't want to believe that. The idea of a normal woman rationally choosing to be an escortrather than being coerced into it, or being incredibly nave (or drug-addled) when she chooses itis far too uncomfortable, and raises far too many questions about so-called "normal" women.

That's another sexist ideathat "normal" women are barely sexual, or are too wholesome to compete with escorts. But it's foolish to stereotype a group as heterogeneous as "women. " Women who aren't escorts range from sexually uninterested to sexually average to, shall we say, hot as firecrackers. Of course. Female sexuality is not limited to "professionals" or to damaged womenit's everywhere, regardless of age, social class, or traditionally-defined beauty.

[Naked Gunz]

I'd really love to recommend this site guys (www.elove4u.net/). This post should be deleted, as it is obviously a link to a creepy, low budget, want to-be-mens-advice site to drum up the hit count.

[TellAll]

This post should be deleted, as it is obviously a link to a creepy, low budget, want to-be-mens-advice site to drum up the hit count.Definately Deleted.

[Rjsss212]

This post should be deleted, as it is obviously a link to a creepy, low budget, want to-be-mens-advice site to drum up the hit count.Then it sounds like they're in the right place, no?

[Naked Gunz]

Then it sounds like they're in the right place, no?Should have been dumped in classifieds at the very least. AW forum is the relief valve for AM not blessed with Channing Tatum looks, Lex Steel junk, or Bill Gates money, that have to put up with the BS of AW and their games just to get laid. A relief valve is a hydraulics device that relives system pressure to prevent it from self-destructing. I get enough fake women, profiles, emails and internet SHYT! sent to me, but I won't stand for it on ISG!

[KaveMan]

KaveMan,

I applaud your On-Line dating capabilities. At least you have evolved with the evolution of dating using technology to your best advantage.

But as I said. It still requires time and patience, not every person wants to do. 50 texts a day, 18000 a year. Keeping track of each conversation is time consuming.

I have been on both on-line sites and rarely see a 9. More like 5's and the occasional 7 or 8.

You haven't stated your age. 15 minutes / day; YES / NO reponses; cut / paste time / place for date; show up. So there's no keeping track beyond the two "YES" dates / week.

I'm 46.

Not white, Mediterranean heritage.

Yes, its the rare 9's that works with this system 24/18,000 is the ratio of 9's I shoot for.

Look, guys will find 10,000 reasons not to do hard work; even if it means getting pussy for $25.

Yes, showing up for 96 dates takes effort; but that's 45 minutes spent with an attractive, desirable, hot Woman which improves your confidence, social skills, and 'game' v. spending that time on more important things, like going to bars, watching TV, porn or masturbating.

[KaveMan]

"Out of $2,400 cost (96 X $25/ date) you will have sex 24 times".

So $100 a pop and you waste an incredible amount of time and energy. Stuff like this is why mongering is a no-brainer.Well, its alot less than $100/ pop.

-First I am not fucking these gals for 30 min. More like 2-4 hours.

-Second I am not fucking these gals once. More like 3 times minimum; and in some cases 25 times over several weeks.

-Third I am not fucking these gals just one day. More like 2-3 dates min and in some cases they are fuck buddies for months, and 3 yrs in one case.

-Fourth the cost per fuck is closer to $12-14 if you do the math.

-3 gals fuck once = 3.

-3 gals fuck 3 times = 9.

-6 gals fuck 6 times= 36.

-6 gals fuck 8 times = 48.

-4 gals fuck 10 times = 40.

-2 gals fuck 25 times = 50.

Total= 186 fucks / yr or 3 x / wk.

So I'm paying $14/ fuck and your paying $100+; sounds like your wasting alot more time & money.

[Latin Bound]

Sometimes the most innocent situation can blow up in your face and have dire results, that's why I like to travel for sex because there is no attachment. Most American women are fucked up and not worth my time.

Here's what happened last week; Two months ago a client came into my place of employment to do business. She was beautiful with a bubbly personality. Before she left that day she gave me her personal number, which I never called. Last week she came back and asked why I never called and I replied that I've been very busy. She proceeded to give me her number again and stood there as I put it into my phone and had me call her on the spot.

I really didn't think that I fucked up there, but I would soon realize my mistake. She would text asking how my day was and I would text asking the same. I made it clear that we were just friends. We never talked on the phone or went out on dates. We would go a few days without texting each other so I figured she had other things going. Well, she texted me yesterday asking what I was doing and I said I was spending the day with my girlfriend and the shit hit the fan..Look into Borderline Personality Disorder. I would like to know what you think about it once you read about it a bit. Because I have been in that hell I can tell you it sounds like it.

[ForceSteeler]

Well, its alot less than $100/ pop.

-First I am not fucking these gals for 30 min. More like 2-4 hours.

-Second I am not fucking these gals once. More like 3 times minimum; and in some cases 25 times over several weeks.

-Third I am not fucking these gals just one day. More like 2-3 dates min and in some cases they are fuck buddies for months, and 3 yrs in one case.

-Fourth the cost per fuck is closer to $12-14 if you do the math.

-3 gals fuck once = 3.

-3 gals fuck 3 times = 9..I never understand why guys sign up to a mongering board, to talk shit about other mongers, well Mongering. If mongering is not your thing then why did you sign up to this board? If I hate video games I'm not going to join a video game discussion thread.

[TellAll]

I never understand why guys sign up to a mongering board, to talk shit about other mongers, well Mongering. If mongering is not your thing then why did you sign up to this board? If I hate video games I'm not going to join a video game discussion thread.It's their way of getting attention and a feeling of importance. As you can tell by his writing there is nothing of value for anyone else. Just how great he is at internet dating.

[Naked Gunz]

Look, guys will find 10,000 reasons not to do hard work; even if it means getting pussy for $25.

Yes, showing up for 96 dates takes effort; but that's 45 minutes spent with an attractive, desirable, hot Woman which improves your confidence, social skills, and 'game' v. spending that time on more important things, like going to bars, watching TV, porn or masturbating.This logic works for the poor guy stuck in the USA. You might be a hero at USA / SG. A vast percentage of the men on this ENTIRE forum live and work outside the USA, so who is going to put this stuff to work? Their is this one and only section dedicated to discussing American women and their bullshyte that even the blind can see through. Even Bill Cosby, who had power and millions of dollars, had to drug the women he truly wanted to nail.

I have been to about 50 countries, and have spent the last 10 years just gone. Banging 20 something's to this middle aged man for little work, and even less gratuity is heaven. I'm stuck here in country for the next year, and even that is working out because I have a Thai friend with a green card coming to take care of me while I'm here. By the time the USA finally squashes all the conservatives and learns to legalize and tax it's vices, I will be long dead.

Oh, and that hot desirable woman you mentioned, is going to be hit on 24/7, so unless your kissing her ass like she is used to having it kissed, she will be in your life about a microsecond.

[The Cane]

15 minutes / day; YES / NO reponses; cut / paste time / place for date; show up. So there's no keeping track beyond the two "YES" dates / week.

I'm 46.

Not white, Mediterranean heritage.

Yes, its the rare 9's that works with this system 24/18,000 is the ratio of 9's I shoot for.

Look, guys will find 10,000 reasons not to do hard work; even if it means getting pussy for $25.

Yes, showing up for 96 dates takes effort; but that's 45 minutes spent with an attractive, desirable, hot Woman which improves your confidence, social skills, and 'game' v. spending that time on more important things, like going to bars, watching TV, porn or masturbating.There is another thread here called "Dating Agencies" that caters to those who want to talk about dating women and the pros and cons thereof. I believe this type of discussion belongs there.

[ForceSteeler]

By the time the USA finally squashes all the conservatives and learns to legalize and tax it's vices, I will be long dead.

Oh, and that hot desirable woman you mentioned, is going to be hit on 24/7, so unless your kissing her ass like she is used to having it kissed, she will be in your life about a microsecond.Legalizing Prostitution will give men to much control. America is ran by Corporations, and these Corporations want pussy whipped men, A Pussy Whipped man is very good for capitalism. Think of all the garbage men buy and do to gain a women's attention.

If men had easy access to sex like running water. Pussy will not be valued anymore and women will lose control. I walk down the streets of Rio De Janerio Brazil, and its crazy how you can see a very attraction women walk down the street and Brazilian men don't even.

Look at them twice. Now if she was in America, You got Simps ready to buy her the world and put her on a pedestal.

[Big Ass Eater]

I don't want to seem like a prick but American women don't attract me at all. I find them unfeminine even though they dress well and look good. I'll prefer an Asian, European or African babe any time.

[Carlos3000]

Even Bill Cosby, who had power and millions of dollars, had to drug the women he truly wanted to nail.Fellows, if I needed anymore convincing to stay the f* away from AW, the Bill Cosby incident did it for me. The man did all the right things, made some good money and perhaps nailed some good tail on the way. Forty years later some average looking broads come out to accuse him of drugging and [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) them and the entire country believe the women. Something is terribly wrong here! A few weeks ago I got into it with a co-worker (better judgement said I shouldn't) who was yammering about what a scum bag Cosby is. There's no evidence, no police report and no conviction, yet a man's life has been irreparably ruined. I see my colleagues and friends everyday going through hell with their very average girlfriends and wives and I thank heavens for the hobby.

[ThatGuy865]

I went out to see a Band old 70's and 80's music. I was watching this stacked cutie enjoying the music. When I went to get a drink, she leaned over saying "I seen you watching me. What's your name" . It took me by surprise but I jumped on the opportunity. We hit it off like peas and carrots. Got the digits. Spoke a few times on the phone. Met for drinks and appetizers then straight to the apartment. We've been hitting it for the last couple of weeks. They out there. Hope you get yours.

TG865

Peace

[Carlos Primeros]

In 1975 the Portuguese Army paid a scholarship for me in the US, I was in Texas and I met as a young man girls.

Fist I met an American girl and she had problems with this and with that and did not like this and that.

I was at ETSU and there was a Swedish exchange student.

We decided that the American way of life was nothing for us. We had our fun and after the year I spend at ETSU we parted our way.

She is now married since 25 years and I am still......around.

That is my few cents I have to contribute.

Carlos Primeros.

Deposed King of Portugal.

[TellAll]

I don't want to seem like a prick but American women don't attract me at all. I find them unfeminine even though they dress well and look good. I'll prefer an Asian, European or African babe any time.When you can get them to dress well. The ones I see around my town doing everyday things look like they grabbed whatever was on the floor, dressed and headed out.

They look like shit.

[The Cane]

A few weeks ago I got into it with a co-worker (better judgement said I shouldn't) who was yammering about what a scum bag Cosby is. There's no evidence, no police report and no conviction, yet a man's life has been irreparably ruined. I see my colleagues and friends everyday going through hell with their very average girlfriends and wives and I thank heavens for the hobby.Not a shred of valid and reliable evidence has been presented. Thank the good Lord for the hobby!

[Naked Gunz]

Legalizing Prostitution will give men to much control. America is ran by Corporations, and these Corporations want pussy whipped men, A Pussy Whipped man is very good for capitalism. Think of all the garbage men buy and do to gain a women's attention.Never thought it in those terms, but you do have a point there.


It took me by surprise but I jumped on the opportunity. PeaceIt took you by surprise because what's luck in this in this pussy controlled, uptight, conservative bible controlled nation, is everyday shyt everywhere else I have been. A fanatical Christian is a Jihadist without the suicide vest, who imposes his values on your life as much as ISIL. Only he is more dangerous because he does it through the pockets of politicians. Glad you got lucky with that piece TG.

[ThatGuy865]

Never thought it in those terms, but you do have a point there.

It took you by surprise because what's luck in this in this pussy controlled, uptight, conservative bible controlled nation, is everyday shyt everywhere else I have been. A fanatical Christian is a Jihadist without the suicide vest, who imposes his values on your life as much as ISIL. Only he is more dangerous because he does it through the pockets of politicians. Glad you got lucky with that piece TG.Religion has nothing to do with it. Its about how one conducts himself. A guy has to ask himself. Why should she be with me? . personality, looks, finances. What does he bring to the table. Besides dick. If he doesn't have anything else. Then yep. He's S. O. L.

Every man wasn't meant to be able to get pussy, its the natural order of things. That's why some must pay.

I use personality and what little looks I have left, myself.

TG865 peace.

[D Cups]

I don't want to seem like a prick but American women don't attract me at all. I find them unfeminine even though they dress well and look good. I'll prefer an Asian, European or African babe any time.What about Latin? Ya, I stopped dating AWs about five years ago. They are not worth the trouble. Well maybe some brown sugar P4 P once in a while. Now I just save my money and go to Asia, Tijuana or Caribbean. Particularly PI. Got a 19 yo sweetheart in Cebu I'm nuts about (I'm 59). She's drop dead gorgeous and doesn't even realize it. I went to Hooters with some buddies last night and showed her pic to some of the Hooter girls and they were like WOW she's nice. Ya, and she worships my schwantztooka like King Tarooga.

[ThatGuy865]

I don't want to seem like a prick but American women don't attract me at all. I find them unfeminine even though they dress well and look good. I'll prefer an Asian, European or African babe any time.This is ridiculous since there are Americans of every race and culture. 1st generation, 2nd generation. And descendants.

[Naked Gunz]

Religion has nothing to do with it.TG865 peace.Can't you read, I said I'm glad you got lucky. Do you even see WTF happened, and what you wrote? SHE initiated the whole thing, not you. You were just drooling in the corner over her. YOU used the words "opportunity" like somebody had to hand you something. Everybody lucks up on a piece every now and then here in America. IF you were so sure about YOUR money, personality and looks (and had a pair) you would have walked over and "got the digits" yourself. Your not understanding dude how this happens DAILY, hell hourly, everywhere EXCEPT with AW. Your also not seeing the big picture if your discounting the American puritanical ethics. One: that your not supposed to give up the pussy right away. Two: Your not suppose to have a thirty year age difference in who you bang- which is the POINT of the website. These rules of society put hesitation in your head to make the move and make it happen.

Read the post just above yours slick from Big Ass Eater. You think that's going to happen in the good ole USA unless your Hugh Hefner? Even the women he bangs go around writing books talking about how disgusting it was to bang an old man. Society forces women to stay in their lane when it comes to banging an older guy unless he is a "Sugar Daddy", and when you go holding hands in the mall, that same American society will point and make friggin remarks to your face. I choose to keep myself in shape by exercise and eating right, and not chubby chasing women with baggage "in my age group". No one dare says a thing to me in Nairobi when I stroll with my twenty-something's.

[Riina]

I don't want to seem like a prick but American women don't attract me at all. I find them unfeminine even though they dress well and look good. I'll prefer an Asian, European or African babe any time.American women are fine but like NG stated, society forces them to stay in their lane. American men have to find alternatives so that the young guys are not the only ones banging the girls.

[SavePros321]

Legalizing Prostitution will give men to much control. America is ran by Corporations, and these Corporations want pussy whipped men, A Pussy Whipped man is very good for capitalism. Think of all the garbage men buy and do to gain a women's attention.

If men had easy access to sex like running water. Pussy will not be valued anymore and women will lose control.ForceSteeler forced me out of my posting hiatus with this post. Mostly because it currently hit home with what is currently going on in my life at this very moment.

I'm fresh off of an 8 day mongering vacation in Medellin over the Thanksgiving holiday in where I banged 20 different chicas with a handful of repeat sessions; and admittedly fellas, I was actually somewhat bored with this trip. The fb method I use while in Medellin can be tiring. You schedule for chicas to come over at a certain time and they are always late. Be it traffic or just them, if you ask a chica to be at your place at 2 pm, expect her to show up at 3 or 3:30, regardless of if you reminded her a day, hell, even two hours early about the 2 pm appointment. When chicas get there late it causes me to have to reshuffle a 4 pm appointment, which in turn causes me to have to reshuffle a 6 pm appointment. It just causes a ripple-effect cluster fuck and I was finding myself working rather than relaxing this trip. All of that was fucking exhausting!

I remember being in the shower after a session and saying to myself: "Man, I am going to chill on mongering for a bit and just give the home / local scene a chance. " Meaning, getting back into the dating game here at home. I am in my early 30's, in good shape, healthy, and never have any problems getting dates either online or offline. I was seriously going to hang up my mongering hat for a while, knowing I could always come back to it at a moments notice.

Fast forward to a week or so after my trip. I was pumped about really giving this home turf stuff a chance. I bought a sexy-ass new car anticipating all of the fine asses I would be riding around in it, and was evening going to have a kickin sound system installed. I reactivated my OK Cupid and POF profiles, started hanging with coworkers at happy hour and networking events more, and even going out to bars and night clubs.

I hit the online dating scene running. I was receiving more messages and "such and such wants to meet you" alerts than I could respond to (especially when I posted a photo of my sexy-ass new car).

So far I have been on 3 dates, and have at least 2 more lined up. Going to save all of you guys some time and get right to the heart of why I made this post:

In Sex Prison (USA), the average male (such as myself) is fucked when it comes to dating. Period. I'll go even further: The average successful middle class male is fucked when it comes to dating. Period.

It's a pure numbers game that is stacked in the AW's favor. Her options are limitless. Period. The same chick you are trying to talk to has 10+ guys trying to get at her at the exact same time. I recently went on a date in where I spent $80 bucks on dinner and drinks for the two of us, and everything went phenomenal. Great conversation, great body, she even had a great career. After the date we spent most of the night texting back and forth like a pair of high school teenagers.

The next day she was pretty much AWOL. When I finally caught up with her again, she told me she was getting dressed to go out for the night (as in, going out to the club or a bar). Again, her options are limitless. I was just one guy out of many that she could choose to spend her time with. Swipe left; swipe right. Just like with the Tinder dating app, for her there is always a hotter, wealthier guy just a swipe away.

The only disappointment for me in all of this is the time, money, and gas spent on this effort. Spending a ton of money on alcohol at bars, time spent sending and replying to messages on dating sites, going on dates and going home with blue balls; it all amounted to nothing. It was a good kick in the pants to remind me that nothing beats the old tried and true paying for pussy route. I mean, that's what we are all after to begin with (pussy). Everything else is just window dressing.

If you have never experienced life outside of the US, then I would highly encourage you to do it sooner rather than later. It will open your eyes to what ForceSteeler referenced above. If paying for sex was legal in the US, then women would lose the stranglehold they have over us overnight. Corporations need pussy whipped US Males to buy the nice car to impress AW's like I did (but hey, I love that car, with or without the AW, hahaha), take out large mortgages to finance that home with the well-manicured lawn, spend your entire paycheck on diamonds and other trinkets that your chick will be bored with by the end of the next day, etc.

If you have the financial means to get the hell out of Sex Prison, then I admire you and you SHOULD run for the nearest exit. The rest of us are just here bumbling around until we are able to be paroled for a short period of time (mongering trips).

So yeah, putting up with late chicas in Medellin beats trying to play the dating game in the US hands down. That $80 I spent on my dinner date here in the US could have been a memorable hour+ long session with a hot 9 or 10 anywhere else in the world. Lesson learned.

[The Cane]

I'm fresh off of an 8 day mongering vacation in Medellin over the Thanksgiving holiday in where I banged 20 different chicas with a handful of repeat sessions; and admittedly fellas, I was actually somewhat bored with this trip. The fb method I use while in Medellin can be tiring. You schedule for chicas to come over at a certain time and they are always late. Be it traffic or just them, if you ask a chica to be at your place at 2 pm, expect her to show up at 3 or 3:30, regardless of if you reminded her a day, hell, even two hours early about the 2 pm appointment. When chicas get there late it causes me to have to reshuffle a 4 pm appointment, which in turn causes me to have to reshuffle a 6 pm appointment. It just causes a ripple-effect cluster fuck and I was finding myself working rather than relaxing this trip. All of that was fucking exhausting!Maybe you should try playing it a little differently for a change so it's not so much work. Instead of trying to schedule one liaison after another which requires you to stick to a tight schedule, just kind of show up and let it all unfold. Don't try to always plan every single thing. Like you already know, these girls can be so unreliable. I don't know where you like to monger or exactly how you like to do it, but I love places like the FKKs in Germany, the termas in Rio, the Hotel del Rey in Costa Rica, and Go-Go bars like in Thailand. They allow me to make sure my mongering vacation remains just that. A vacation and not a job! It's like going to the market to see what fresh produce is available that day LOL! If you see something you like, you buy it. And if you don't (not likely but it happens) then you just move on to the next shop or stall. It sounds like to me that you yourself make it too much exhausting work. Take it easy man. Like an athlete sometimes needs to be reminded, play within yourself and let the game come to you. Then it won't feel like so much hard work. And congratulations on choosing to be free!