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Joe Zop
05-20-03, 16:46
Darkseid, I agree you're in a tough spot -- I'd definitely not want to be dating in NYC; if you're there you've got to have a little shark in you somewhere to survive, more if you're to prosper, which usually isn't a great thing in a relationship. It's simply tough when motive ends up being a primary litmus test.

As I recall, you're not quite at geezer status, so there's plenty of time to find someone if that's what you want to do -- the median age for first marriage in the US for men is around 27, and most studies also indicate that the older you are when it happens the more likely the marriage will last. The divorce rate is highest for men in their early twenties and women in their teens, though the total numbers are higher ten years later (higher percentage of people being married at that point.) A couple of the stats I've seen say the percentage of people first married over the age of 25 who get divorced drops to under 25%. Given that you're mobile and your economic status is decent your odds improve further. All this presuming, of course, that you were even ever interested in getting married -- stats say you're fairly typical these days, with three times as many people choosing to remain single as before 1970. It's just a different world -- 53% of households in the US are headed by married couples these days, compared to 61% in 1980 and 78% in 1950.

And I'm near Paddy's alma mater in Michigan, where the divorce rate (and suicide rate) is higher than that of New York -- which is actually tied for fifth-lowest. Of course, New York stats are about the state as a whole, so the independent nation of NYC gets lumped in with snowed-under Buffalo, much to the usual chagrin of both. :)

Joe Zop
05-20-03, 17:18
DJ, you're seriously warped. I don't know your email address, have no interest in it, and I've never emailed a worm or virus in my life. You're a laughable mosquito, and not worth the time or effort it would take in any event. If you're such a protected technical genius, I challenge you to support this contention with fact -- post some evidence or email it to Jackson. That's just more typical self-centered paranoid crap from you, padded now with slander.

You've never "saved" me from a thing or person, and I referenced supporting you exactly one time, and that was during your attack on me. Hilarious that you consider my discussion with bigbucksdude on SARS neverending, given how long you went on about ladyboys in the same section. Wasn't it you who suggested a section on SARS to Jackson as a way of helping people decide whether to travel? How many cases of SARS have there been in Thailand since I chastized him for spreading paranoia?

And naturally your personal analysis is as full of crap as everything else. Not even worth addressing. Talk about pathetic.

Perhaps you'll favor us all with more astoundingly deep, useful and non-obvious information, like the fact that there are good restaurants in Bangkok. Or proclaim to us all again that Dick Johnson was to first to notice that the sun came up this morning. Wow.

Talk about pathetic and self-righteous. Add deranged and you describe yourself.

LookR
05-20-03, 17:19
darkseid:

Silicon Valley has the same problem with materialistic women, too, though the economy has seen an exodous of these callous cows to greener pastures.

And I completely agree with you on the motive factor. Of course, this could be applied not only to Rural American Wimmins, but women anywhere else.

It's ironic that I may be moving to Indiana for a few months. If that happens, I'll give you an update on Rural American Wimmins.

VIVA RIO!!

-- L

Dickhead
05-20-03, 17:41
Darkseid must really hate New York now that he's been to Brazil! Can't see why he doesn't just move, although I know he's explained his reasons before. I spent some of my teenage years in CT and I used to troll for hookers in NYC. The Avenue of the Americas was also good for wandering around while under the influence of LSD. I kind of liked NYC, although I haven't been back there in 25 years.

Now RN, in my case I had a mediocre marriage in hindsight (started off well but went downhill pretty fast, but my wife was more disturbed than I really realized at the time) and a very easy divorce that cost me nothing financially, so my lack of desire to get married again has nothing to do with materialistic cows. I just don't see any point to it. However, I certainly don't see lots of happy marriages like JZ does, nor do I see any among my relatives. I suppose one of my sisters' marriages is OK although very boring (but she is heavily into boring). My other sister is on #2 and I just visited them and their marriage stinks. Of course he became impotent and pretty much disabled so that could be a factor (unemployable too). My brother got married at 18 and will soon have his 40th anniversary but his wife is a shrew and he screws around on her all the time. My parents' marriage was God awful although my older sibs say it was good at one time. Grandparents' marriages were terrible, aunt's terrible ...

Now I am a person who moves quite easily among different social classes and social circles, plus I have spent time in both the blue collar world and the white collar world, and I have lived in quite a few different states (not including states of denial, etc.). This, I believe, has allowed me to view a good cross-section of American society. I would put the percentage of marriages which do not end in divorce but are happy as maybe 30%, so considering half do end in divorce and were thus at least presumably fairly unhappy, the chance of any given marriage being and staying happy is about 1 in 6. Maybe a bit higher given that I have never really lived in rural areas which I know to have lower divorce rates, but still not very good odds.

Then I look at my four close women friends, two of whom I have been to bed with at some point, and ask myself if I would want to be married to any of them. Three definite nos and one maybe, and these are the best women I know. Would I marry my Argentinean amigovia? Definitely no.

Maybe I will marry a Méjican hooker so I can claim her on my tax return and split the money with her.

Joe Zop
05-20-03, 19:02
DH, your post brings up an interesting issue. You mention that your brother's been married for nearly 40 years, and that things are now pretty much a mess. Any sense of how long things were good?

And to follow in your footsteps -- my parents had a happy 18-year marriage, cut short when he died, my oldest sister is on her second, in which his happiness is mostly solid and hers is marginal (I'd sure as hell not want to be married to her), one of my brothers never married and the other has been in two absolute nightmares, including one that sounds like yours, complete with her attempting to kill him before she was institutionalized) and the second one from which he's in the midst of extracting himself, the middle sister has been in a very happy one for sixteen years, and the youngest sister ran through her first very quickly (picture two people, both with IQs in the 160 range, who feel they simply have to settle the issue of who's smarter every day) and is in heaven in her second, which recently passed the ten-year mark.

The issue your post makes me think about is this -- what's the line for defining a success in a relationship to most people here? Does it have to be forever? Until someone croaks? Is anything short of that not worth it? Ten years of ecstacy followed by ten years of boredom? Would twenty-five years of having everything work great, followed by two or three years of breaking up be success or failure?

I guess I wonder about this when I see that the average first marriage that ends in divorce lasts about eleven years -- I keep trying to figure out, given other things in life, like how long we have a job, live in the same place, etc., just how much of a failure that actually is. Especially when I think about how I've personally changed as years have passed.

Dickhead
05-20-03, 19:42
I think my brother's marriage had problems from the start but I would say they were moderately happy for ten years or so. That is another case of two people with IQs in the 160 range battling over who is smarter, plus very healthy doses of passive aggression.

My marriage wasn't really affected by my wife's insanity as it did not overtly manifest itself until after we were divorced. The relationship overall was seven years and the first four were pretty darn good. I don't consider the overall relationship a failure; we both learned a lot and I at least was pretty unscarred by the breakup. She recently told me she would have been a lot better off if we had stayed together (she is divorced a second time) but I'm sure I would have fled when the bipolar thing manifested itself.

I think many marriages that end in divorce were perhaps overall successes; that is why I think people should get divorced when things have turned obviously and permanently sour, rather than "staying together for the kids' sake" or stupid crap like that. I think a lot of pretty unhappy couples stay together for financial reasons, fear of the unknown, or just plain inertia and I think that is a big waste of life.

But again I say marriage is an unnecessary anachronism at this time. It is an archaic concept and I don't think we can have archaic and eat it too.

LookR
05-20-03, 20:39
I once read somewhere (okay, it's a book called "The Road Less Travelled" by M. Scott Peck) the following wisdom:

It's easy to fall in love, but it's just as easy to fall out of love, too.

Makes sense to me. I guess the trick is to make sure the couple can stay together once the honeymoon's over.

-- L

Lenin
05-21-03, 02:30
Originally posted by Dickhead
The relationship overall was seven years and the first four were pretty darn good.
I had 8 years LTR with Russian and 5 years with Brazilian women
Practically they were marriages because we lived together.
I had first 4 year relatively good and 4 year very bad with Russian and 4 year excellent and 1 year not good with Brazilian.
Is anybody else thinking 4 year is magic number? I notice what evil sitting in any women doesn’t matter how smart or kind she is. It is only question of time when this beast raises his ugly head. From my experience I have impression that women genetically programmed, exactly like robots. The relation started with love from the woman so strong that you often think that you are not deserved such love and finish with unexplainable hate that clearly you are not deserved.
3-4 years are enough time for child to grow up to run and hide in the cave in case of
danger or recognize his friends. After that woman probably programmed to have sex with another man to increase overall chances for all her children from different fathers
to survive. If such biologic cycle really exists then marriage is one of the most stupid things that created by humans.

Dickhead
05-21-03, 02:42
Ordinarily Lenin is a bit too much of a troglodyte for me but he may have a point here. It might not just be relationships. I notice 4 years is about the point where I want to change jobs, allegiances to sports teams, and underwear. Also that is how often we hold presidential elections in this country and studies show (and no I don't have the links to my sources and I don't give a shit that I don't) that two-term presidents consistently have lower approval ratings during their second term.

I have suggested in the past that perhaps marriage should be a contract like sports contracts: for a certain period of time and then with "option years." Hey, why not? Then both parties could periodically evaluate where the relationship was going; that seems like a good thing to me. If one or both parties wanted out, the potential for a clean break seems higher. The possibilities to "save face" seem higher.

Forever seems like a very long time to me and "'til death do us part" has an inherently unattractive element to it from my point of view. Also think of the possibilities of saying for example, "Hey baby, feel liking getting married for a year or so?"

People just get sick of each other after a while sometimes. It isn't anybody's fault. Like I would marry Rubbie for one year (well, how 'bout six months???), sight unseen. How bad could it be? No money involved of course :)

Rubber Nursey
05-21-03, 02:56
Out of all my parents, grandparents, aunties, uncles, siblings and cousins - I am the ONLY one to ever get divorced so far. I guess I can't be positive that all the couples are still happy, but I'm pretty sure of it. They still do all those little things, like absentmindedly touching each other in public, finishing off each others sentences, stealing food off each others plates...those things that say they are totally comfortable with each other. I grew up with that around me all the time. Maybe that's why I still have a bit of a soft spot for marriage. :) (It's also probably a lot to do with having a 'traditional' rural upbringing).

I'm with you, Dickhead, when you say that marriage is probably unnecessary. As marriage is no longer a case of signing over a father's 'property' to another man, or celebrating the joining of two countries and their armies, I guess it doesn't serve any real purpose. But I still kinda like the idea. To me, a marriage proposal signifies true commitment. Not the wedding ring, not the name change, not the piece of paper that declares you husband and wife, but the proposal. For a man (or woman) to propose, it means they must have sat down and thought "Do I want this woman by my side for the rest of my life? Yes." And to go through with the wedding confirms he meant it. (I suppose that makes me either hopelessly romantic, or cynical and untrusting of people's motives).

Rubber Nursey
05-21-03, 03:05
Wow DH...I've gone from partially reasonable, to reasonably reasonable, to marriage material, in only three days?? LOL

You need to become a witch. You probably already know this - being a history major and fellow shouter-down of all things Christian - but pagans have 'marriages' called handfastings, which last for a year and a day. After the year and a day, they decide whether or not they would like to continue their marriage for another year and a day, or just call it quits. I think that's a bloody marvellous idea.

Oh and come to think of it - my first defacto relationship lasted four years, and so did my subsequent marriage. Hmmm...

Dickhead
05-21-03, 03:35
See, now, if I thought people really had "sat down and thought 'Do I want this woman by my side for the rest of my life?'" I might take it more seriously but I don't think that's really how it happens.

My "Good married friend" who IS in what a consider a happy marriage told me she decided the first time she saw hubby-to-be that he was the man she would marry. SHE kept asking HIM to get married which I guess is OK but I know for sure he would rather have waited a LOT longer.

My "engaged for six years friend" got married in the middle of a drinking binge.

Another friend decided to marry a gal, told his parents, decided to marry another gal, and hoped they wouldn't remember the first gal's name. He committed suicide when gal #2 wouldn't go along with the program.

My mother told me she married my dad "because she didn't want to be an old maid and he was the first guy who asked her." She was 19 so you would think there was still some time before she became an old maid!

My one sister got married the first time because she was 19 and pregnant and he "wanted to do the right thing." They hadn't known each other for more than a few months either.

My douche bag, ring-grabbing friend is one of two who has twice married women they didn't know very well. The second friend, probably my best male friend, told me he got married the second time (each gal he knew for a few weeks only and the first marriage only lasted six months) because "he just wanted to try something different." I am rather ashamed to say that he and I attended the same college; he got a BUSINESS degree and is a CPA (as am I although I was a history major) so you would think he would know better. I haven't met wife number two yet but he said "most people who meet her don't like her." They have a kid and have been married about two and a half years so who knows, maybe it will work out OK.

One set of grandparents got married because he got drafted into WW I and she said she wouldn't wait. They grew up together but hadn't been dating more than a couple of weeks. They had one kid and then never had sex again.

Other set of GPs was weird too. Wife one died of an ectopic pregnancy so her older sister came to help take care of my dad and aunt who were like 5 and 3. After a while she said, "well, the neighbors are starting to talk so either we get married or I leave." So my dad's stepmother is his aunt. She was flat out ugly and he was crude and abusive.

I think people get married to get out of the house, to shut people up, to improve their financial situation, to prove a point, to get back at someone, and only rarely because they rationally want the person by their side for the rest of their life. But as we know, I am a cynical Dickhead.

I did not know that about handfastings (maybe I was sick that day) but in Bolivia, a nominally Catholic country, they have trial marriages. They last a year and if the man is still satisfied with the woman then there is a second ceremony where everyone throws rocks at them and then it is permanent. Of course, the woman doesn't have the same choice. I think I mentioned this before a long time ago.

Do you want to handfast (is that better than a hand job because I am really sick of those) for six months? Oh wait a minute; I meant six days. Or was it six hours? Darn that is a long flight for six hours of sex. Or is it sex hours of sick? Anyway I am kind of drunk right now but I don't have to go back to work for three months so now would sure be a good time to at least fool around for a while ...

Rubber Nursey
05-21-03, 03:56
You come over here, work for three months seeing as our tax season is just about to begin, shag me senseless two or three times a day (I promise I'll read up before you get here, in case I've forgotten how to do it), and then you can trot off to Argentina and 'marry' someone there for another three months. Unless we stay together for four years I won't have to ever wash your underwear - so it works for me.

Dickhead
05-21-03, 04:20
RN YGM ha ha. But do you have a footstool cuz remember I am only 5'7" and low change?

Joe Zop
05-21-03, 07:29
So is cohabitation the more current and desireable model? The census says there are about 10 million opposite sex unmarried people living together, and, interestingly, that 41% of American women between 15 and 44 have lived with an unmarried different-sex partner at some point. About 3/4ths of these couples say they plan to get married at some point, and 55% do so within five years, while another 40% break up. (The majority of couples marrying today have lived together first -- 53% of women's first marriages are preceded by cohabitation). Only about 20% of these live-ins go beyond five years without either marrying or breaking up. So maybe four years really is a magic number...

I've got several friends who have gone the same impulsive (or perhaps clueless) way you describe, DH -- marriage as kind of impulse shopping. Only one of them is still married, but for him doing this was completely out of character, unlike the others, so maybe he just saw exactly who he wanted and went for it. Strange that these guys would never simply decide to shack up in these instances -- they dive directly into deep water.

I don't at all disagree that marriage is anachronistic, especially given how far courts have now extended its property issues to people who live together. The bottom line is still that people want to hook up with someone, in some fashion, marriage or not. Would folks expect the same level of anger and bitterness that rears its head here surrounding failed marriages to be there in a failed cohabitation scenario? Why or why not, especially if there still might be property or children involved?

Rubber Nursey
05-21-03, 09:02
DH - We are all the same height laying down, honey. *grin*

Rubber Nursey
05-21-03, 09:22
I don't know much about the laws in the US, but here the courts pretty much view married and defacto in the same way when it comes to property and/or children. But even though the consequences and responsibilities are pretty much identical - I think people still tend to see a defacto relationship as a little less 'permanent'....or dare I say, less 'final'.

I think that belief probably makes a defacto couple less likely to experience the bitterness and anger that can occur during a divorce. I guess that's because people who are married often wait until they reach absolute breaking point before thinking about divorce - whereas defactos may feel more able to walk away when things first start going bad.

It's probably the same in both cases for people with children, though. It's bloody tough bringing up kids by yourself, and tooo many men just walk away and never pay a cent to help out - every woman knows that, so they are likely to want to get in first before it happens. I would think that regardless of whether they are married or not, there will always be women who will fight for "their share", because they know they are the ones that are going to be suffering more financially after it's over.

Property, etc, may be easier for defactos though, because if they are breaking up at a point where they are still 'friends', things are more likely to be amicable. I think the biggest problem is that married people tend to do the things that DH mentioned...staying together for the kids, or for their parents, or to save themselves the "humiliation" of getting divorced. Once they get to the point where they just can't take it any more and need to leave, they are already bitter and twisted.

LookR
05-21-03, 16:41
RN:

Thank you for letting me see the light. I clearly remember how much my parents fought. They even wanted to get a divorce, but didn't "for the sake of the kids." Now you should see them ... off in their own corners of their house, miserable.

I'm now completely convinced of the folly of marriage, especially in America. And if that weren't enough, to hell with having any children, either! I can't tell you the number of marriages I've seen that were cause-and-effect (cause=pregnancy, effect=marriage) and wound up bitter unions.

Here's an animation (http://www.wired.com/animation/collection/nina_paley/stork/) that could work wonders in promoting population control, hehe.

-- L

Darkseid
05-23-03, 14:54
DH, you mentioned that you were in NYC 25 years ago. NYC used to have more blatant prostitution than it does now and there used to be the RLD between 7th and 8th avenue of 42nd ST but thanks to that tyrant former Mayor Rudoplh Guliani and his butt buddy Police Commissioner Howard Safir who "cleaned up" the city of prostitutes and Night clubs that play loud music and disturb the neighborhood peace. Thanks to his "quality of life" reforms, NYC has become a town geared towards those complaining old ladies and old men. The damage is already doen to this city and now NYC is another Disney World. A place that is geared towards kids with NO adult entertainment would drive me nuts and yes, having been to Brazil where adult entertainment is available, NYC looks like dog shit. There are a few underground sex clubs that popped up though but police are still cracking down on them because Guliani programmed to do so even after he left office.
About the marriage issue, since people do tend to get tired of each other and grow apart, perhaps open marriages where the couple consents to seeing other people might be a good solution. RN, I like the idea of the trial marriage or handfasting. This is all the more reason I disagree with Christianity or other religions that support monogamy. Religion tends to demand that we take ourselve out of our natural state of living and tries to fix our ways of living with the threat of "hell". Paganism is a more natural way of living because it is a faith based on nature and its elements. I am an atheist though but I had a college roommate that was a warlock (male witch). It is natural for a male animal to have offsprings from many different women and likewise for females so why can't humans do the same as the rest of the animal species on earth. Christianity's take on this is the concept of "family", but naturally humans or any other animal species are not programmed for family. As Lenin said, women want other guys after 4 years and vice versa for guys. Trial marriages or handfastings would be a concept that is in harmony with our natural state of being. Marriage conflicts with nature.

Lenin
05-24-03, 18:44
Originally posted by darkseid
Marriage conflicts with nature.
Nature created us to survive not to be destructive to ourselves.
Take women’s “irrational hate” and revenge for example.
I think, it had positive moment until society introduced marriage and all other crap.
For millions years people lived in tribes together.
Couples were not separated from other members of the tribe by apartment walls and everybody knew their life.
Let say the woman passed her 4 years biological cycle and instinctively wanted to change her sex partner to increase overall chances for all her children to survive.
The Hate from the woman, after four yeas relation, meant just the signal not only for her boyfriend, but also for whole tribe that her interest to her former boyfriend finished and he can go on with his life.
Hate should be strong enough to scare away former boyfriend because
he continued to live in same living space with her and always existed temptation from him to restore relationship. But women’s Hate and Revenge could course not much troubles to the former boyfriend because the tribe was balanced system. Everybody in tribe understood reason of her hate and didn’t let the man put him down.
“Irrational” women’s hate had positive moment also because reduced chances of bloody conflict between old and new boyfriend because not much sense to fight for woman who anyway hate you.
This hate also was signal for other girls in the tribe to start compete for dumped man, so dumped man could easily switch to other girl without being long in depression or aggressive mood.
After former couple was sexually satisfied with new partners there were no reasons to conflict with each other.
They could be just friends and continue to care about their children.
Children didn’t have too many problems because they didn’t lose their parents,
Children still could see both of them every day because they lived in same living space. Also not only parents but the members of the tribe cared about them too.
So Hate and Revenge have only one major reason: don’t mess with my future life and with my future sex partners.
Modern societies, especially in North America, destroyed normal way of human life.
Now children are damaged in any case. They lose one of the parents in case of divorce or they all time continue to see unstoppable conflicts between parents.
Court and Law not consider women’s hate simply as intention to dump
the man. Often they take woman’s claims seriously and could destroy the life of the man as much as the woman wants.
In this case modern courts with idiot’s judies from best American universities are worst and more damaging for society than any most primitive tribe court. They simply bunch of
stupid criminals who has power.
In stead of treating the divorced man with respect like new marriage material which has big potential value for society, American society treat him like criminal and looser who don’t care about marriage and children.

WindStar
06-19-03, 01:08
Originally posted by RN
You come over here, work for three months seeing ... , shag me senseless two or three times a day (I promise I'll read up before you get here, in case I've forgotten how to do it), and then you can trot off to Argentina and 'marry' someone there for another three months. Unless we stay together for four years I won't have to ever wash your underwear - so it works for me.
RRRRRRRRRRR NNN! I'm Back!

Was down in South America ... not nearly long enough! The flying waitresses on the American carrier home were enough to want me to jump out and WALK back!

So what's up? Still beating your chest as a lone masked defender of Western femaledom?

Say. Am I invited too? Three to four times a day, eh? I'm game!

So what's the catch?

Can I afford it? ... What's that? You want what? MY IMMORTAL SOUL??? What soul? I'm a totally unprincipled Hedonist. Besides, you'll have to have a talk with Satan. I'm sure he has a prior claim!

What all this talk about underwear? Listen: with three or four times a day to keep me happy, I will have absolutely no use for underwear whatsoever, will I?

So here's my proposition. How about dusting off the old ball and chain? They DO have those Down Under don't they?

<just kiddin' ... I just couldn't resist!>

*Hugs*

CBGBConnisur
06-28-03, 12:48
I don't know why everyone is debating this but American women are the biggest fucking cunts on the planet. I try to be open minded and not generalize but a recent experience gave me a sobering reminder that American women suck. Don't tell me I am generalizing because American women are the most arrogrant, most racist, and most bitchy women on the planet. And on top of that they are not that attractive in the first place.

McGarah
07-01-03, 05:36
The last dude said it all. American women are definately the worst. On top of all of his adjectives I'd like to add that they want and expect to have the best of both worlds, meaning: the best of the man's world and and the woman's world.

They want to be treated like women in the old fashioned sense, but also want to get everything a man gets. I say the next woman that bitches about equality should be sent to the front lines in combat in Iraq.

Dickhead
07-01-03, 09:24
I was in Mexico for four weeks. I screwed five hookers and a tourist from the US. The five hookers cost me around $300 total. The three nights of wining, dining, and delicate emotional surgery before I got the tourist to give it up cost nearly $200 and she would not suck my dick. It is true I did fuck her maybe five times over a couple of days but I also had to hang out with her friends and then plus we had to put on some big charade for them like we weren't fucking each other.

But what got me was finally one time she offered to pay a bar tab. I said great and then she says, "Well, why don't I pay the bill and you can leave a tip?" Why the hell don't you pay the fucking bill AND leave the tip since I took you out to dinner three nights in a row and bought like nine times as many drinks as there were on that tab?? What is up with that?

And she wasn't as good looking as any of the hookers and she was scared to ride the bus.

And don't get me started about all the fat American women at the pool at my resort and all the fat ones on the planes. Tomorrow I leave for Argentina. American women just don't impress me from a fucking standpoint.

Paddy
07-02-03, 04:46
DH,

Good hearing from you. Where have you been in Mexico so far? What would you recommend?

Am a bit puzzled by your going after the American tourist after five encounters with Mexican women. Was this some type of experiment or comparitive study?

Good luck in BA and keep us posted. Those of us who are stuck in the US of A need to live vicariously through your adventures.

Dickhead
07-02-03, 07:05
On this trip I only went to Guadalajara and Puerto Vallarta. Very different places, both recommended, the former more than the latter. I have been many other places in Mexico over the years. The border towns suck. I like Baja, San Miguel de Allende, León, and Monterrey. I haven't spent much time on the Gulf coast.

I didn't do the tourist after the five hookers. I had two hookers in Guadalajara, then went to PV to stay at a resort for three weeks. That was a long time to stay there. She was just there. She was playing cards and board games by the pool with her friends. I like card and board games so I wormed my way in. She was with two married couples so she was the odd one out and I was one of the few people there alone. She was a waste of time but then I was sort of there to waste time until the sale of my house cleared. Then I did the two hookers in PV the next week, then one more in Guadalajara on my way back this past week.

Sold my house, sold my car, not looking back. Looking forward. I do plan to come back to work in the fall but that could change if I get a better offer. The world is a great big place. Maybe I'll try out your Prague at some point.

Indigo Blue
07-16-03, 02:11
TallnHandsome:

Have you ever been in any of those countries? Because I did, and all you wrote there is just a chain of the old nonsense legends. It is not that discrimination?

Prokofiev
07-17-03, 15:27
Funny how this once very active thread has all but disappeared now that RN is gone . . .

Paddy
07-18-03, 05:21
Prokofiev,

Yes, this was a very active board. Since RN exited, it has died out. I hope that she's OK and has found whatever it is that she's looking for. She was awesome.

Also, Dickhead left for Buenos Aires and is posting on that thread now. Sounds like he's having a great time and doing it his way. Darkseid moved to Rio I think.

Both of those guys basically sold everything off and moved to new cities in South America. We can only admire their courage and refusal to put up with American women anymore.

Dickhead
07-18-03, 15:18
Yes indeedy I am having a fine time and I do not miss any aspect of the United States. I will be mighty sorry to leave in a month and serve my 4.5 month sentence in the US to obtain the needed funds to once again escape. I don´t miss the women, the food, or driving. I wonder if I will remember how to drive after two and a half months.

CBGBConnisur
07-25-03, 20:35
Quebec Canada is a nice escape from the bitches of the USA, especially for those stuck in the Northeast, Montreal is an Oasis of Beautiful women. They are everywhere and don't have the kind of shit attitude you will run into in the States. I rode the Montreal metro and saw total female strangers smiling at me, you won't see that in Boston, Chicago, and of course not New York. One lady turned her head to me while on an escalator and nearly fell down, and I moved so that she wouldn't fall.

CBGBConnisur
07-28-03, 04:25
Yep I do look American with my neatly cut sideburns, blue jeans, blue collar shirt, people often comment I look like Elvis.

CaribTraveler
07-28-03, 04:27
Originally posted by McGarah
The last dude said it all. American women are definately the worst. On top of all of his adjectives I'd like to add that they want and expect to have the best of both worlds, meaning: the best of the man's world and and the woman's world.

They want to be treated like women in the old fashioned sense, but also want to get everything a man gets. I say the next woman that bitches about equality should be sent to the front lines in combat in Iraq. Rock on MAN!!!

Indigo Blue
07-29-03, 09:47
In fact, there are many things I don't understand.

"Some Japanese women may be the worst of both worlds. Had a good time like western girls, then surgically sew the pussy back and get ready for marriage." -Nonsense. I live there. Ask in the forum...

" In Czech and Slovak, the girls don't want to marry at all as nobody has money..." -Again nonsense. Nice sentence, anyway.

"Spain is small but the taller darker people in the south had been treated badly and wanted to separate." -Lie. It's the Basque people who wants to separate. They are not darker. They are not from the south.

Shall I go on...?

Darkseid
08-02-03, 06:04
Tall, I agree that living in a country for a year is different from trying to gain residence. The culture and language themselves takes a lifetime to learn. I only know portugese in the present tense. Not to mention, you must know about the laws, home ownership, taxes and getting a job to make a living in that country. I stayed there for several 3 mont intervals and still don't kow every aspect of their culture. Samba dancing and capoeira only scratches the surface of Brazilian culture. In fact I don't know their history.

What I did find out is that their divorce laws are not as favoring to women as divorce laws are in the States. The States give the woman halfof anything the man owns. Let's take for example a guy who owns $100,000 before marriage and earned $20,000 during the marriage. In Brazil, I asked a divorced guy how much he lost in his divorce and he said he lost just the money he earned DURING the marriage and he keeps the money he owned before he got married. He would therefore lose just $10,000 (half of $20,000). In the States, the poor guy would lose $60,000 - $50,000 (half of $100,000) plus the $10,000 (half of $20,000) then he has to pay alimony for as long as the **** is unmarried. Unfortunately for the poor guy, no one would marry the old crow or ifshe happens to find a boyfriend, she would get half his paycheck to support her new family she has with her new boyfriend. In Brazil, alimony is unheard of. Some guys have to pay child support however but that is determined by the judge. If there is such a thing as a financial venereal disease, it is American divorce. And the American women carry that virus.

LookR
08-03-03, 22:09
Well, I had to move from San Jose (CA) to Indianapolis (IN), and it looks like I may be out here for the duration. Anyway, having been here a couple of months compounds my seething sentiment that American women are poison.

That said, I really pissed off a bunch of women in a bar here in Indy when I announced that I wanted my future wife to make more money than me. You should've seen them squirm ... it was glorious!

I'm such a bastard. :)

-- L

Indigo Blue
08-04-03, 07:28
Originally posted by TallnHandsome
Indigo, of course you don't understand. LIVING there for a year or so is NOTHING compared to living enough to get a citizenship or permanent resident. Most of all, you need a lifetime to understand the culture. If you ask in the forum, most are the same as you who don't understand the culture, the blind leading the blind.

Japan is the pioneer, or the only country, that 'invented' the surgery to allow girls to pretend to be a virgin again. Some girls in some other asian countries went there to do it. Yes there are still virgins around. I personally know a pretty girl who is born and educated in Europe, married several years ago. Of course a lot of girls are not virgins when they marry nowadays. Asians still value female virgins but not enough to do the surgery. It's not a common thing in Japan, but for some culture reasons I don't understand, they have that kind of surgery. Don't ask travelers in the forum. Ask Japanese or some nationals in nearby developed countries.Well, I guess you are just making a lot of assumptions here, because I've lived in Spain for nine years, and for the last six I maintain two homes in Kyoto and Shanghai. My wife is Japanese. I wouldn't have posted without knowing what I am talking about, but I am sure I am not as blind as someone that only goes out of California (if so) for holidays.

Very nice, your point about Japan! Here I send you a link. Maybe that "sewing the pussy" thing is closer to you than what you would expect. This doc from L.A. claims to be able to "Restore the Natural Virginal State". Heheheh... There are many like him there back in the U.S. Of course, it is perfectly possible for all their customers to be Japanese, Chinese or Korean, isn't it? ;)

http://www.drmatlock.com/briefoverview.htm

Cheers!

Real-Thrill
08-20-03, 16:32
Not all of the states in the US are against the man. Texas seems pretty fair. I am in the process of being divorced, and it should be complete within 2 weeks.

First, there is no alimony. If your wife has some skill, has a degree or is seen as employable, then you don't HAVE to pay. If your wife has no skills, then you will have to pay her some amount per month to get her on her feet. They don't call it alimony, but something like rehabilative assistance. This assistance can't last longer than 3 years, and goes away if she gets re-married.

Child support is a formula based off of your income and the number of children. Nothing to fight there.

Any asset you had before marriage is yours, she is not entitled to half of everything. She is entitled to half of anything you accumulated during the marriage.

Oh, and if it goes uncontested, it is complete in 61 days.

Texas is a no-fault state, so you can leave for any reason. Even if you get caught with your dick buried 6 inches in a ho, it won't change the outcome much, except for having to deal with a woman scorned and the fact she may tie things up to waste all your money.

Real-Thrill
08-21-03, 15:09
I like Texas. I lived in Florida and Colorado before this, and I don't plan on moving from here.

I have the coast and offshore fishing an hour away. I have great hunting opportunities (ducks, geeses, deer, hogs, turkey, exotics). The cost of living is cheap in comparison to other places. For example, I bought a 3,100 Sq. ft. custom built home for $174K.

And the government here is more hands-off than other states from what I can see.

Lot's of wide open space, and if you want city living, you have your choice of Dallas, Austin or Houston. Houston has a ton of museum's and fine arts events. And the sex industry in Houston is big!

I'm talking *****houses all over town with beautiful women. Full on sex in strip clubs if you want, an independent escort scene that will blow you away. I love this place!

Carbon
10-07-03, 17:42
Let me tell you about my American experience. First of all I have live in this country for 8 years and have seen many different women.

First, when i came to this country in 1995 I had chance to be in the environment of low level society. Most of the girls at my High School were very easily accessible. In other words, it was not hard to get them to bed. All you had to do was to have a car to drive her around the town. Afterwards, it was easy to bring her to your place, undress and fuck. At that time, chikcs all were between 15-18 years of age. There were three things that I noticed. First is that there were no really beautiful girls, the majority of them were simpy average looking but never beauties. Second, many of those girls get pregnant during their High School years. This, in my opinion denies the accusation that American Women don't let there men to fuck. In fact, they do. Third thing is that there are a lot of FAT and UGLY females in America, who nobody wants. To me this is quite surprising because if you visit Europe(Germani is exception) you will not see so much ugliness on the streets of Europe. In my opinion, this is the direct consequence of American SUBURBAN and AUTO oriented style of life. In fact, life is probably not very hard for a fat person in the United States.

Second, relationships between sexes in college are much more coplicated. Contrary to what they show in those stupid Hollywood movies, sexual life in college was really passive. In four years of being at school I have got only one college pussy and that girl was from Poland. Partly, it was because I was very busy studying for tests. Partly, because I lived out of campus. The biggest problem, however, was that those females at college were very "hard to get." They go out with you but don't fuck. In fact, sexual life at universities of other countries is much more simple and girls are more accessible. On the other things, in America I found a lot of beautiful girls at colleges especially on easy lieberal arts programs.

Third, after college it is much harder to MEET girls. The problem is that you just don't know where to meet them. You don't go to school, college. American dance clubs are not suited for hooking up with girls.(those who have been to Europe will understand me) American dumb clubs are stupid and created for idiots who listen to stupid American music. I believe that there are girls who are willing to fuck but I don't know where to meet them. Regularly people meet girls through friends but I don't have many of American friends. Girls from immigrant communities are much easier to get and fuck but it is still hard find them.

LookR
10-12-03, 18:44
Carbon:

Hello from Indianapolis, where there's no way on God's Green Earth I'm going to look for an American woman, haha! :D

My own experience with American women is a bit different from yours. I had the car in high school, but wasn't able to bag-and-shag any women. College was screwed up for me, as I attended a Catholic university. My theme song back then was Billy Joel's "Only The Good Die Young".

Surprisingly, I've had MUCH better luck in the real world than high school and college combined. Of course, it really helped that I went to live and work overseas for a couple of years.

I've come to the realization that, as an American man, I stand a far better chance for meeting women as a visitor to their country. It's probably the same for you in meeting American women. While visiting other countries, I've found that women were attracted to my "foreign-ness" more than anything. And I'm not the greatest-looking guy on the planet by a long shot. :)

Anyway, I'm hoping to travel to yet another country sometime soon to experience more great foreign women. My favorite countries thus far are Brazil, Japan, and Thailand.

For irrefutable proof that American women are psycho-nut-cases, it's easy: just spend some time in the San Francisco Bay Area. I say this only because I was born & raised there, and have practical experience of the twisted mentality of American women there. With the fall of Silicon Valley, they've even grown even angrier than they were since I can remember.

I think I should start planning a winter trip down to Rio de Janeiro again, or maybe this time I'll have to check out Buenos Aires. I hear the women there are worth getting to know.

Catch you later!

-- L.

Carbon
10-13-03, 01:13
Lookr:

You probably lived and grew up in suburban and relatively rich neighborhood. Then you probably went to local High School in that neighborhood. Kids in youe HS were probably from rich/middle class families and their parents looked after them. In such families parents make sure that their daughters don't do whoring, drugs, and never cut school. Girls from such families have everything and are used to think high about themselves. No doubts it is hard to get pussy from them.

I went to school located inside of the city of Philadelphia. The local neighborhood was neither rich nor poor. Many kids were from low income and white trash families. The school was always dissolved by 20% of black kids from Ghetto area. Also, there were kids from various immigrant communities. I had met chinese, vietnamise, korean, polish, russian, romanian, hispanic, japanese students in there. There were lots of drugs and fights in that school. The life was interesting.:)

Lets stick with American girls from white trash families. Parents don't look after them when they are teenagers. Many kids have have much of free time. In fact girls found time to DO everything. They fucked, sucked, they did drugs, they cut school. In other words, they were easy and friendly and unfortunately for them got pragnant very often. They were fuckable.

All girls from suburban HS went to college. They don't fuck. At least, it is not eacy to get pussy from them.

After college it became even more difficult. I don't know where to meet women AT ALL in this country. I just don't see them in my life. In Europe I would go to clubs and hook up with somebody. Recently, I have got Indian pussy but it is a long story.

Jkt After Dark 2
11-14-03, 11:19
To: TallnHandsome & Indigo Blue

SEWING UP THE BROKEN MEMBRANE AGAIN

It was talk of girls in Jakarta during 80's. Loosing virginity before mariage has been fact of the society, even in the conservative one. But, I believe such procedure is only possible if the membrane is not badly damage. This means she only f*cked once or twice. And, the procedure has to be done immediatelly.

It is cheating to guys like us. Nowadays, Indonesian man still prefers a virgin. But, things are different. Indonesians are not that conservative any more. So, people don't really care.

Anyway, this sewing up the membrane procedure was in demand in Indonesia once.

Cheers
Jakarta AFter Dark the born again Satanist

Eggsalad
11-16-03, 08:33
Hello Gentlemen

I don't know if this is the right board for this question but I figure it is as good as any. I am thinking about taking a long trip next year. I'm thinking about either Europe (Frankfurt, Amsterdam, and Praque), or Australia. Which should I go? I like girls with light skin. Will I find many working in Australia? How about prices? The exchange rate is better for Australia. Is that enough of a reason to go?

Thank you for your answers.

BL

Jkt After Dark 2
11-17-03, 03:55
To: TallnHandsome

Yes, you are right.

A Libanese friend of mine once told me he couldn't marry his Swedish girlfriend because she's not a virgin. Every day for the rest of his life he will think about 100 guys who f*ucked her before. It's a torture for him.

What a jealous guy!

Cheers
Jakarta After Dark the born again Satanist

ChicagoBoy23
11-17-03, 18:03
Brandon Lee

vacation in Argentina

Girls are light skinned and beautiful. Mostly brunettes and few blondes. Argentineans are of italian and spanish descent.

Prices are dirt cheap due to currency. Everything is 1/3 the price of USA.

Great meals for $5

Girls vary anywhere from $30 US for 1 hour to $150 for the night.

People are very friendly. Just like vacationing in Europe. Everybody speaks spanish but a few speak english.

Dickhead
11-17-03, 18:22
Please RTF title of this forum prior to posting in it! :(

Carbon
11-19-03, 19:04
TallnHandsome

Why? Don't American women have pussy?

Country John
12-06-03, 00:04
Look: American Women have not matured to where they are at one with themselves as a group.

They don't understand that they are NOT a weaker sex but they run it on us like we branded them with it or something - a softer grip can be just as firm.

They are not centered, they have a hard on for being right, use their femininity as a weapon, not an asset or attribute and are generally not clean.

Now I don't care what part of town you came from, it is what it is. American women need to pay close attention to the Latina woman.

American women believe that all men want to do is fuck them. They believe that men have "only one thing on their mind" when it comes to them. Wake up ladies.

I learned what passion and love were all about not from the girl next door who didn't know her asshole from page 4, but from a latina who was clearly in touch with that side.

American woman can't reach that far. Too bad because there are some pretty ones out there!

Be Safe and BE NICE

Country John

LookR
12-08-03, 02:10
Well put, John!

In my experience, without exception, foreign women are far more in-tune with their gender. Granted, there are foreign women who can still be psycho nut cases. But by-and-large I've found it far easier to connect with foreign women than American ones.

-- L.

Stephen Horndog
12-11-03, 10:03
I cant believe you bastards actually marry these beeetches who are Americans. I live in America but was raised elsewhere. I got me a nice little southren euro girl. Great in the sack and no drama. These home grown USA girls are cookie cutter, all the same, ball busting hoes. I can not believe how you horndogs down here chase after them and do cart wheels for some pussy. I witness it everyday in all capacities of life. I t is really sad. Every dog I know has been married at least once or twice and owes his next ten years of pay for alimony to these horrible attituted women. Just screw them like the hoes they are, but dang dont marry the *****.

LookR
12-11-03, 23:17
Steve:

I didn't say I married anyone (and it's precisely because of American Women that I've never been married ... and I'm 36!). I just think that American Women can't compete with Fantastic Foreign Females. Whenever I travel outside the USA, my faith in the female gender is restored. :)

-- L.

Country John
12-11-03, 23:59
lookr:

Same here. My first woman was Canadian (same as American but better in the cold). I never knew what a real woman was about until I met my (Mexican) wife.

After looking at it closely it seems that American women have such insecurities that insistance upon equality is the focus and anything feminine is a sign of weakness.

There is mans work and there is womans work. Anywhere you go in the world this idea seems to have sunk in except America. Look, if they want to strap on a tool belt and work on the 25th floor or on the pole that's fine with me. The mentality that "men do it so women should be able to do it because they are equal" is what ruins it.

I admire women who do what they want if it is what they WANT to do. That is seldom the case with American women and it is one of the things that makes them unattractive. You don't see this shit in Mexico while at the same time you see women happy in thier work, or in Guam where the women believe they are important to society as women and not fuck monkeys.

Some women may say that we are only looking for sub-serviant *** ***** ******* with ***** and ***** or large ****** that go ***** when you**** them. Well, that could be part of it but they seem to look for many of the same things in men.

Some men are feminine, that's true and some women are masculine. OK. We all have a feminine side and a masculine side. American women don't have a handle on this at all.

My wife has a dedicated drive to achieve her goals. She will pick up the hammer, pic-axe or any other tool if I'm not around but it never detracts from her femininity even though the nail is going in the wood. Yes, she has a temper and she hits hard but that's my fault most of the time.

All I can say is thank goodness for Mexican and Oriental women. I also have a weakness for black women who I find can be as tough as nails but don't share the same negative attributes as american white women. I will drive by a row of American 9's to go with a Black 8 any day of the week. Honest.

Be Safe and BE NICE
Country John

BrendanGooch
12-14-03, 17:57
American women are the same as english women, wolves in a sheepskin. All they care about is how deep a mans pockets are.

You give them everything and they are never satisfied where as you only need to visit family lifestyles in eastern europe and asia. To appreciate the differences..These type women appreciate everything they have.

Country John
12-15-03, 02:51
TallnHandsome:

Very informative. Thanks.

Country John

Tomcat2
12-31-03, 19:09
Imagine raising a family for years, only to find out one day that your children are not really yours.

Imagine, after the divorce, being told by the courts that you have to continue paying financial support for these children.

One such story, told recently on NBC’s Dateline, is that of Morgan Wise, an engineer in Big Springs, Texas. Wise’s fateful discovery, several years after his divorce, was prompted by the desire to help treat his 6-year-old son for cystic fibrosis: When he took a blood test to find out which cystic fibrosis gene he carried, it turned out that he didn’t have the gene at all. Both parents have to be carriers for a child to inherit the gene.

Subsequent genetic tests showed that of the four children born to Wise’s former wife during their 13-year marriage, only the eldest was his. "I never experienced a heart attack, and I can tell you, I had one that day," Wise told Dateline. "I mean...a part of me died."
When Wise went to court asking to be relieved of the child support payments that consumed a third of his take-home pay, he was turned down. Wise was later barred from contact with all four children because he had discussed the issue of their parentage with them in violation of the judge’s order, but he still had to keep the checks coming. In January the U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear Wise’s appeal.

Poor guy. It's amazing that this guy still pays child-support every month. 13 yeras marriage, three of four kids with other men, what kind of American she is!

Country John
12-31-03, 20:57
I watched a tv report perhaps a year ago where a LA guy was presenting testimony to a state commission on child support enforcement by LA County. Turns out that one of the "children" he was required to pay child support for was a little stuffed animal that was given a name by his ex and listed as a dependent. He actually had the stuffed animal on the table next to him as he was testifying. Very scary stuff.

A man is never wronger than when he is in front of the DA on a child suport issue.

There are a lot of deadbeat dads out there. The children suffer mostly but the process is a very abusive one.

I overpaid my child support on purpose for many years for the benefit of the kids and continued to pay for two long after they were to have "dropped off."

The real kicker is that I got back almost every dime I overpaid. The court issued a refund check every month for about 6 months. I'm talking a substantial amount of money here. So, there is one happy ending to tell. Hopefully I won't see a notice from these bastards looking for the money back!

Then there's the story not too long ago about the guy who needed a passport to visit China and got grabbed for over 230K in back child support. He said the kid was not his but did not respond to the family court summons at the beginning of the case - he ignored it. Cost him a cool 230k. Jeez.

Seems American women don't want to be partners in the game of life, it's a money grab. Too bad.

Country John

Travis Bickle 2
12-31-03, 21:57
I heard on the radio a while back that in a lot of places you are financially responsible for every child that comes out of your wifes womb, even if you can DNA prove that the child is not yours. Presumably the logic is that you should be aware of what your wife is up to. What BS!

Another scenario which is taking place is if you are living with a single mom and her kids and the court can prove the kids have formed a bond with you, they can make you pay child support for each kid until age 18 if the kids father is unable or unwilling to. Again, complete BS.

What is this country coming to?

I definately agree the average American woman is a money grabber. I think the most important criteria a woman uses in choosing a mate is his income. I think it supercedes looks, sexual ability, everything.

One thing I disagree with however is that women of different nationalities are that much different. I was married to a Filipina for several years, whom I met after she'd been in the country only about eight weeks. She was young and beautiful and very pleasing in bed. Excellent cook and homemaker., everything you could ask for. But she went to work and make friends with American women and women who had been in the country for a while and guess what? She started to become just like them. Wasn't long before she was a gold-digger like the rest of them.

I think it would be advantageous to marry a foreign woman if you were to live in her country. Being an American you could provide a manner of living which she would be hard pressed to find otherwise. She would undoubtably be grateful and a great wife. That's why I'm seriously considering moving overseas when I retire.

Now to clarify an earlier remark. IMHO some foreign women would be great to marry over here. My wife was only 22 when I met her and I think the younger ones are more likely to take on the same values as their American counterparts. I think if I had it to do over again and was able to choose, I would choose an older woman (maybe mid-thirties to early-forties) who had more traditional values.

Now a final remark about child support. I do believe it is necessary and that men should support their own children. I have the utmost respect for men like Country John who not only diligently pay each month but actually give extra when they can. It's just that paying for kids that are not your own that bothers me. It also bugs me that some guy making twelve dollars an hour might be paying four hundred dollars a month CS while his ex is living with some guy spending his money and doing fairly well, while the 12 dollar an hour guy is living in total poverty. Thank goodness (knock on wood), I have never been in this predicament.

Anyway, until such time as I can move overseas I am stuck with my American girlfriend who hates giving BJ's and is more interested in me everytime she sees me checking my stock portfolio. Anyone know a good prenup attorney in Seattle?

Civ2K

Mister_Smooth
01-01-04, 23:50
I recently went to the Dominican Rep. and went out to a club and met a nice chica. By the 2nd date this woman was completely head over heels for me. Alll i did was take her out for dinner, treat herr well in the sack and give her a present and she was grateful. I had a blast with her it was romantic, sexy and a complete GFE. She was literally in tears as I kissed her goodbye and it felt good to have that reaction after all the indifference here in the States.

I thought about how many times I've done handstands to try and get an American woman to barely even acknowledge my presence. It is brutal out there. Now a little about me. I live in Manhattan, work as a consultant, have earned anywhere from 60k to 90k on the avg. over the last 4 years, have average looks, a great pad in the village, I am in good physical shape and am in my late 30's.

I have been blown off, cut down, ignored and avoided for the last 6 to 8 years by American women. Granted, I am somewhat picky. I am not going to hang with a girl if she is not sexy in one way or another. And believe me when this is a standard it removes a vast number of women from the pool in NYC. There are droves of down and out, lifeless, out of shape New York women who head to their office jobs to do their grunt work. So remove them from the pool narrow the age group to 23 to 36 and then you really narrow it down.

With these women that remain you have seen the Sex and the City effect take hold on women. They are so concerned what other women will think of a new guy. There are so many publicized horror stories about guys that we have to overcome every hurdle in the book because there is so much negativity and roadblocks built into these women.

One other effect of Sex and the City and the Media is that, and to this point I disagree with a lot of opinions here, I think that physicality is extremely important to NYC women especially with the younger crowd. If you dont at least resemble a Calvin Klein model, if you're not thin and at least 6' 2" with a full head of hair youve really got your work cut out for you. I dont think a lot of the younger chicks really care about money all that much. They just want a guy who has poster-like looks. A dude who loooks like James Dean or Brad Pitt will do very well here. Otherwise you will spend, spend spend, kiss ass, call, give presents, submit to their will and maybe you might someday take a chick to bed. But you will pay pay pay.

Here is what i posted in another forum before i saw this one.
________________________________________________

Well here it is . . . another shitty New Years Eve in New York City.

Each and every one of you with a lovely Latina should kiss the ground you'll walk on tonight.

I am going to a wine and cheese party tonight with a bunch of spoken-for, spoiled, complicated yet predictable, and more often than not uptight New York Women.

This is the last year gentlemen. Mister Smooth be flyin south next ano.

Stalin
01-02-04, 23:59
I read the story about Morgan Wise presented by supertomcat001 and got a bit shocked.

The story presents the law strange: the law puts responsibility on the person who did NOT do anything wrong and who did NOT have control over the situation. It does not look right to me. I undersatand that those who brake the law should be persecuted. Or, that a person who drives while being drunk should be fined. Or, a man who makes a girl pregnant should be financially responsible for his child.

In this situation the court is just looking for an escape goat. And the former husband is the closest one. And available: it might be hard to find the real father(s). This is not good.

I believe the law should some protection mechanism for men in such situations because, I bet, such cases happen more often than one wants to think (it was occasionally discovered). It, actually, will make women think twice before doing bad things.

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”No person – no problem” (c) Joseph V. Stalin

Stalin
01-03-04, 00:27
Civ2000 wrote:

"I heard on the radio a while back that in a lot of places you are financially responsible for every child that comes out of your wifes womb, even if you can DNA prove that the child is not yours. Presumably the logic is that you should be aware of what your wife is up to. What BS!"

I wish I were wrong, but the logic could be: someone has to pay.

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”No person – no problem” (c) Joseph V. Stalin

Paddy
01-03-04, 05:42
Mister Smooth,

Excellent report. I'm compelled to agree with virtually everything you said. It's the same here in Chicago with Milwaukee being worse. We have the same problems as NYC but here the women are very fat and it's so common that it's rather acceptable.

Your lady in the DR sounds like a dream come true. Good for you and for her. I recently returned from Manchester, England. The SW's were great (BBBJ the norm). What really grabbed me, however, was how friendly and warm the non-working girls were. It was a totally different environment. Ladies there go to actually meet men at pubs and don't seem to play the game of how many guys can I put down tonight while I smugly puff on my cigarette. I was standing alone at a pub in Manchester and four girls asked me to come over and sit down with them??? They were all very nice looking and very sweet. One other night, ladies were buying me drinks??? On another evening I met a girl named Nikkola whom I spent a lot of time with and when the pub closed at 2:00 AM she kissed me goodby for about 10 minutes. We almost went for it right there on the floor! Could you imagine something like this happening in the states? It would be great if the the WSG had a thread dealing with helping American guys relocate to countries where the women appreciate guys. What do you think?

No doubt about it Mr. Smooth, you and I are in the wrong country. And what's worse is that American guys see this as the norm.

LookR
01-03-04, 05:51
Whoa! I had no idea about the non-biologically-related child support thing. That truly sucks. :( There's this elderly guy -- Earl -- who hangs out at a bar I go to once a week. He lamented in an alcohol-drenched stupor that "America's f----d up because the American FAMILY'S f----d up! *Hic!*"

I wonder if foreign women are influenced by what is portrayed in American entertainment overseas (TV shows, movies, celebrities, etc.). I'd have to agree with Civ that it would be better to live with a foreign woman in her own country. But right now, I like the foreign GFE that mister_smooth mentions. It's nice, clean-cut "summer love".

Either way, though, it seems like money's the central focus here in America. Most AW seem not only to play for instant financial gratification, but also for those guys they meet whom they think show the greatest financial potential. This is why I like The Way of the Monger. Everything's right out on the table. None of that fancy-restaurant, pricey-bar, pricey-disco, pricey-club crap which will still result in less than Vegas odds of bumping uglies.

The other day I was out puttering about. As I saw one particular bevy of babes, my wacky mind went and morphed their clothes into baggy crotchety ol' prospector gold-digger gear, complete with pans, packs and picks. I couldn't stifle the laugh. :)

AW want the money, the power, the prestige ... and all without lifting a finger. Lately, I've noticed a trend where AW talk up their soft sides with the caveat "but must know how to show a woman a good time." What's that? Sounds like the clink of picks.

Eureka!

-- L.

Cali Monger
01-03-04, 06:33
I'd quit working, go on welfare and move into a $300 a month room before I'd pay for kids that weren't mine.

Phil
01-03-04, 18:11
I live in Atlanta and one thing that I do know is that in America each state is almost like it's own country in that people from different states act different from another. I mean compare a New York City raised individual to a Omaha raised individual: 2 totally different individuals both born in the same country. With that said I believe that there are some cities that are more advantageous sexually than others. Being from the south I could never live in New York City because even the men have fucked up attitudes so I know the women are fucked up. I would NEVER fuck with a girl from New York City because it seems like people go to "Asshole School" up there to become more refined assholes. Not to offend any New Yorkers here I'm just saying the people treat you like shit so I know the women ain't shit. Where as in other parts of the nation the people are more care free like in Florida!! Not to say that the women there are just totally better. They have some idiots too. My point is just that certain cities IMHO are places to totally avoid when it comes to having a normal relationship with a woman i.e. New York City being one of them.

Cali Monger
01-03-04, 20:01
phil, I'm not looking to argue but have to say something. I'm from New York City and have since lived in 5 other major American cities and a few pit stops in some small towns. The women I've met have been pretty much the same in all the cities. Not all New Yorkers are assholes and I've found that that they tend to be some of the most true and honest people I've known. They're just not into sugar coating and saying shit just to be nice. I grew up there from 67-85 and would not trade that experience for anything. I'm a simple, 'chill', easy to get along with guy. Sure, I can pull out my New York wiseass routine when i feel like it, just as much as some midwestern guy can pull his cowboy act. If you judge New Yorker's by the ones who have moved to Boca Raton and give thier kids brand new cars the day they get thier license and live to complain about every little thing, sure you'll get a distatste for them. Luckiily, that's just a small sampling of them. There are some very cool people from N.Y.C. and the whole metropolitan area. Trust me on that. If I had a ton of money, I'd likely spend at least 3 moths a year in Manhattan.

Travis Bickle 2
01-03-04, 20:32
Phil and Cali, I kind of agree with you both. I've been all over the country and find that women are pretty much the same wherever you go, though not being a native New Yorker I believe I would have a difficult time meeting a woman in NYC. On the other hand I have been to both Lincoln and Omaha Nebraska and those two cities gets my vote (hands down) as having absolutely the friendliest women in the United States. If I was in a contest where I had a month to find a nice girlfriend and could choose between Lincoln and Manhatten; Lincoln would win easily. However, if I could spend three months of my life wherever I wanted in the U. S. I would pick New York. I could easily see myself living there a few months a year myself if my finances permitted it.

Civ2K

Virgo
01-03-04, 21:51
Mr. Smooth,

We have got to have a drink next time I am in the city. You are so on point about New York Hos. They are spoiled and pretentious. I do think that looks matter to all of them including the old ones who have money. They like boy toys. I admit to being rather lucky in some aspects because I was good looking and in shape during my years there but I still like a woman who WANTS a man not an ATM card or new shoes or someone to just show the girls. They ALL act like their pussy is God's gift. Even the ugly ones!! But I can substitute Los Angeles and other big city chicks also. I am out of the country now but back to America soon. I will try my best to fuck stupid girls with great tits. The American way ha ha!

Nyc Expat
01-03-04, 23:27
Speaking from experience.

I was born and educated in New York City. Met and married a woman in Denmark in my late 20’s. Have lived here for nearly 28 yrs. I can tell from my long experience, European women are great compared to their sisters in the US and they are also b****es.

Yes, many (especially the 20 something) are very much influenced by the printed media, film, TV etc. When I moved here in 1976, I saw very few overweight women. Many bicycled as a necessity and for leisure. There were only 2 pizza restaurants in the city. No family burger restaurants, no famous ice cream stores, just 1 national B&W TV station and 3 national radio stations.

I don’t have to explain how technology has changed Europe which has become very Americanised with American culture for good and worse. Many of you have visited European cities so you know what I mean.

Women though have changed since I moved here. Sexually, they are still better (liberated) than American women. Materialistically, they have inherited what they see and read daily because the world has grown smaller the past 20 years.

I know 5 other expats from the mid-west to the east coast. All have been divorced from their first Danish wives. Another is just recently divorced from his second Danish wife. My five friends have remarried again to other Danish women. A seventh just moved back home after 12 yrs. struggling here divorced, no job, on welfare etc. He is a loser so we’re glad he’s gone. I am the only one still married to first wife. However, it is not good for several reasons which I will not bore you with.

Actually, I am looking forward to retiring in S. Florida during the cold, dark winter months here in Denmark to ride a Harley. Drive a convertible, basically try to enjoy myself which I couldn’t do the last 25 yrs. The wife does not want to live in the US for more than 3 weeks yearly. She says Florida has no culture. She’s a Dane with a capital “D”.

It’s not easy to learn another language fluently to become a part of and contribute to a foreign society. Even so, how would you like to pay 25% sales tax on all goods, 180% excise tax on new cars (buy 1 pay for 3). I have PAID for 18 cars since 1983. An entry level Harley costs $47-48K. Gasoline costs $1.20 a liter (the dollar has fallen 30% in 20 months). Withholding taxes amt. to approx. 42-65% depending on earnings. Are you asking why I stay?. I have my own business. We live in a nice apt. and have a summer house. I go “home” once or twice yearly. No, I am not rich, wealthy, whatever adjective you choose. My business should be better. I stay because I have freedom. Freedom to be with another woman (SW) whom I’m extremely fond of because she gives me the GFE I don’t get at home and need so much. Freedom to travel to Florida and DR this Easter and Beijing this summer alone.

I really feel for the guys posting here about their own experiences or others how the US courts have financially destroyed American men in alimony or custody cases. I hear CA lawyers are not particularly popular except for gold digging women. The courts in Denmark are not so penalizing. Average law suit for whatever reason or fault about $10-30K.

However, I must admit living here in Copenhagen is not all that bad. Danes love to speak english, love to travel to the US. Denmark, Netherlands and GB are probably the best European countries for expats to live in. Many elderly Danes still praise US forces in WW II for their efforts.

BTW, Denmark is the ONLY country outside of the USA observing Fourth of July Independence Day Celebration Party in the western part of this country with prominent guest speakers f.ex. Colin Powell, military band and other entertainment. It’s been a tradition now for over 50 years. It’s not the whole country but a group of several thousand Danes and Americans getting together for the observance.

Some of you have mentioned a desire to move out of the US. You can forget about Europe unless you are married to a European and can prove you can provide the basic daily necessities or get a job with European placement. There are so many 3rd. world immigrants flooding Europe the past 10-15 yrs. because of UN policies, laws have been passed restricting living and work permits.

IMHO, I think some American men should try to find a Russian, East European or latina woman instead of countless failings with American women. I think those women can provide the happiness you are searching for. I have considered this as a possibility if divorce occured.

HAPPY HUNTING for that great lay and search for love.

Mister_Smooth
01-04-04, 01:04
I'd have to agree with NYC Expat that Europe is becoming "Americanized" through my experience in Ireland. The Irish chicks have been watching shows like "Friends" for years and the culture seems to be merging with America in a number of ways; the music, fashion, Hollywood mania, capitalism, consumerism etc.

Its funny that last night I went out to a local bar and there were at least 4 girls in the bar who were going for a Paris Hilton look - ratty died blonde hair, tons of makeup, slutty 70's skirts and high heels. Of course there were 5 really hot girls and about 30 guys in the bar. I guess trends come and go. Now we need Paris Hilton to endorse uninhibited free spirited sex experiences with older men as the "in thing" and we'll all be in good shape in the States!

BTW, I am making my first trip to SA and need to decide between Brazil and Argentina. Last night, a friend endorsed Brazil as the place to go for a first timer. What do you think?

TIA.

Phil
01-04-04, 07:17
I must admit I love Manhattan myself. I'm a little jaded because I work in the airline industry so I have to deal with the nasty New Yorkers on the regular. I just get the feeling that out of the whole country they have the bitchiest women but that's just my personal opinion. I mean Atlanta has a lot of bitchy women too. I agree the whole country is fucked up. I get tired of meeting women who GO OUT OF THEIR WAY to be unfriendly. I sometimes feel that traveling to other countries and meeting women is a blessing and a curse at the same time because when I'm back in the U.S. I can't even deal with the women on the slightest level without them getting on my nerves. I do not blame them though. Many were raised to be the way they are and honestly don't even know any other way to be. Living here in Atlanta I feel like I'm living in the Twilight Zone because the females are so fake to me. Many walk around mad with an attitude... I'm like what are you mad about..you have it made. Here in Atlanta the only way to get a female to give you the slightest attention is to A) Play for the Falcons, Braves or the Hawks B) Be a big time drug dealer or otherwise C) be rich from some other means. I guess the reason why I love South America so much is because I don't have to worry about Allen Iverson coming in the club taking all the women.

LookR
01-07-04, 00:01
mr_smooth:

I haven't been to Argentina, but last year I went to Rio for Carnaval (how they spell it down there). I got my mongering information from this amazingly amazing site, and I was set! :)

Alas, I had a bit of a bad experience my first night in Rio. Some sage advice: Never go for the woman who's ten years older than you but tries to look ten years younger than you, heh.

But, funky experience aside, Rio was fantastic! By this time next year, I hope to travel to Argentina. Judging from all the positive press on this forum, I can't wait to get down to Buenos Aires.

Later!

-- L.

Organicgrowth
01-28-04, 23:58
mister_smooth:

Go for Argentina.

I was at a crossroads a couple of years back with a similar choice. In the end I picked Buenos Aires just because I knew more Spanish words than Portuguese… Also I read the BA board and was sold after a couple of pages! The last element in the decision for me was that I wanted to meet our great leader, Jackson.

In the end BA won. I had a fantastic time. Been back 3 times now and will keep on going. Just look at the board, there are some fantastic guys who spend a lot of time out there: have you wondered why?

Regards and happy decision making.

Havanaman

CBGBConnisur
02-04-04, 18:04
I have had the opportunity to travel around the world and have to say that American women are the least desirable company you can find. It might be a generalization but for the most part your chances of meeting a charming princess who loves you for you in the US are next to nil. Europe, South America, Australia, Asia, even Canada has more attractive and desirable women relative to the population than the US. While it is true that due to the mass media and consumerism that women are changing all around the world and becoming more "American", the rest of the world still has plenty of sexy and exotic women. I'm an American who is originally from New York and I have spent time in Europe, South America, Asia, and finally I wound up in Australia. All these places have sexy and beautiful women. I have also lived in different cities in the US including NYC and LA, and find that women in the big cities are generally the same, there are few nice exceptions like Miami or Hawaii but for the most part I don't find American women very attractive or friendly. From my travels, I have found that women are just more sensual outside the US. Sensuality is an art and can't be learned, your either born with it or without it. After my years of travel I am happily living in the land down under in Sydney, Australia, and yes the women here are gorgeous :).

Joe Zop
02-04-04, 19:22
Wow, long time no hear, CBGBConnisur! I envy you the Sydney location and I concur -- a lot of beautiful women there.

Firedick
02-05-04, 02:17
CBGBConnisur

I have to disagree with one point only. I believe that sensuality can be learned. But American women (thank you feminists) don't feel the need to be feminine. So why learn? IMHO

FD

CBGBConnisur
02-06-04, 05:30
Still I have to say that I am a bottom line person and in the end my goal is just to get laid. To this end American women, for lack of a better word, SUCK. But it all makes sense after all, the whole country is in uproar about Janet Jackson showing her nipple while advertisements featuring fart jokes and other stupid crap were playing back to back. With this kind of attitude so prevalent no wonder its so difficult to find a good lay in the USA. I really want to meet an old college acquaintance of mine who was a sorority queen that turned me down and treated me like crap and introduce her to my gorgeous Australian girlfriend just to make her feel really inadequate because she really wasn't that sexy. Even European women aren't that great, they can be as bitchy and jaded as most American women, and many can have an attitude if you're a foreigner or can't speak their language, also many of them are lazy and like to sit on their arses and smoke. Don't get me wrong many are good for a one night encounter, but not for anything more. They don't have long term appeal. Australian ladies have a number of advantages that make them better than European women. First, they speak English and for an American guy this makes it easy to socialize with them. They have British style sophistication and etiquette yet at the same time lack of the snootiness of British women and are very down to Earth. They are also very upbeat and very active, these girls love sports which is something rare for women. And most importantly they love sex and have sex appeal to keep a guy going.

Sainter
02-06-04, 13:30
Hope you guys don't mind if I butt in. We here in Oz are divided between those who think Sydney girls are better and those who think Melbourne girls are better. IMHO, I'd take the Melbourne ones over the Sydney ones anyday. If you guys stay in OZ extensively, you'll realise the huge difference in attitude of the people. Sure this is a generalisation, but in Sydney the girls are far more pretentious and arrogant. Melbournians are far more laid back and friendly. I guess it's probably due to Sydney being like a mini London, non stop activity 24 - 7. It's probably a reflection on the success of a area. Generally speaking, the bigger the city, the less friendly the people are.

Having lived a few years in the UK as well, I've found that the same applies. Living in Cardiff, most girls would be perfectly happy with dinner and a movie. But in London, you'd tend to find that they are heaps more demanding. To the extent of shopping and wanting to go on holidays(weekend in Paris).

Maybe this is all slightly different for me, as an Asian/Australian. I suppose there's still a bit of reluctance on most Anglo cultures to accept cross racial relationships. So I suppose, my experiences might differ from you guys. Anyway, just my 2 cents worth.

A number of Aussie girls have or are currently taking America by storm. Naomi Watts, Cate Blanchette, Elle MacPherson, Rachel Griffiths, Megan Gale, to name a few. :)

Rabo Verde
02-06-04, 14:47
"BTW, I am making my first trip to SA and need to decide between Brazil and Argentina. Last night, a friend endorsed Brazil as the place to go for a first timer. What do you think?"

Hmmm easy decision DO BOTH!


Go to www.varig.com, click AMERICAS, INTERNET FARES, and BUENOS AIRES, and you can get a triangle fare from NY, LA or MIAMI to BA with a free stopover in RIO or SP, for about the same price most people pay for one or the other. Great airline, safe, clean, on time, in general.

I have been both places many times and frankly it's a tossup, unless you like black and mixed race girls, in which case you must go to Rio. Argentina is very caucasian.

CBGBConnisur
02-06-04, 17:20
"LA is also the porn movie capital of the world"
It's also the fake breast capital of the world. I think its also the murder capital of the US, although New York and Chicago are just as bad. I don't care if there are 10 million people in LA, LA is Dante's Hell, if you have visited LA did you ever notice the brownish haze that overwhelms the skies of Los Angeles? Its absolutely disgusting, LA is a also a lot more dangerous than Sydney. I nearly kissed the ground when I landed in Sydney, this place is beautiful and much safer than LA.

Mister_Smooth
02-06-04, 18:57
This is coming straight from the horse's mouth. Our lovely American woman in all her grandeur. I had a Super Bowl party and this person was offended that I put my arm around her and was being nice to her. Honestly, I did nothing more than put a friendly arm on this *****'s shoulder. She sent me this email a few days later. Need we say more about the state of American women.

"You are welcome. I did have a good time at the party until you started hitting on me and in front of other people. It made me really uncomfortable, and I thought that I had made myself clear that I wasn't interested in you for anything other than a friend. You need to be more accountable for your actions. I mean I've seen you twice when you have been drunk and you've tried to hit on me. Maybe you shouldn't drink so much if you aren't able to remember what you do or say. I'm sorry that I am being so harsh, but I feel that I have to be to get my point across to you. I'm sure we will see each other at another party, but I didn't do the favor for you in hopes of getting anything in return. I was just trying to be nice.

Take care"

PsyberZombie
02-07-04, 02:34
We have some of the most gorgeous women in the whole fricken World here in America.

But the Problem is = Their ATTITUDE

Especially with Younger Women [ who Cares about the rest ?? ] , they learn early on to assess their Own Looks and Desireability.

And the more attractive ones then try to use their Looks to extract All They Can from which·ever Men they can.

But even WORSE is their [ to quote Nirvana ] =

" Here we are now, Entertain us " Attitude

What I mean by this is = even fat, ugly chicks have this 'Entitlement' 'Tude ; as if just because God gave them a snatch, all of us men should Bow Down and Worship them

It's a Mercenary Hardness ; a projection of a grating nature that I find just plain *Irritating* [ You guys know what I mean ]

And don't even get me started about how NO young American women know How to COOK !!

... Or, about how the Public School Systems leave them so un·educated that they can't carry on an intelligent conversation on ANY Subject that hasn't been hyped on MTV

I'm talking here, Natch, ONLY about women you'd actually ask out on a Real DATE !!

Most SWs I've met are At LEAST as Intelligent; and even if they don't exactly offer to whip you up a Beef Wellington Dinner, can at least hold up their end of the ten minute conversation on either end your Business together

*Whew!* Thanks for letting me get this Out of my System =

WHY , should I ever find my·self Single again , I would *NEVER*
Date an American Chick !!

Chikan
02-07-04, 21:36
Canadian Women: Personally, (since I live here), I think Cdn women are worse than American women. It really seems as if the "femminist movement" really took a strong hold up here. Women here are VERY bossy, arrogant, rude and just plain MISERABLE. They are usually always out to screw you over in any way possible - they suffer from the "lack of penis syndrome". Just look at the workplace now. I'm all for equality, but 9X out of 10, a woman or minority will get the job over a white man - and I should now. My work place has over 200 people in it, and 3/4 of the bosses are.............women and 2/3 of those are........minorities. I'm NOT a racist, but shouldn't it be the best person for the job and not to fill a "racial quotient"? Even the Police Dept in Vancouver here used to be racially biased agaisnt caucasians saying, "I'm sorry, you're very qualified but we need minorities even if they score lower than you". At least the Sgt. was honest.

The sad thing is that since Canada welcomes minorities and "refugee's" with open arms, these immigrants (esp. women) quickly learn that Canada affords them more rights than their homeland and they exploit it - too far! Example #1 : At my wifes work, there's a cambodian chick there who said, "yea, my husband and I got a divorce (but still live together), just so that I can collect "low income subsidy assistance""! Example #2 And another one who was Vietnamese who said "I got a divorce (but still live with hubby) so that I can get welfare, stay home and look after the kids while he's out working!". These people just abuse the system and it really pisses me off. The asians / east indians here know that Cdn women are "strong, tough and proud" and they OVERDUE it to the 100 th extreme. If you even look at them wrong or say the wrong thing, they bring up false charges of "harassement" or some other bullsh*t, just so that they can sue and/or get Employment Insurance Benefits. They know the system better than I do and I was born here!

It's gotten so bad up here that if you even hold a door open for a Canadian lady at a store, they growl at you! I even had one say "I can do that for myself!" sneering away at me.........Stupid c*nts!

Sorry for the rant, but there's a reason why so many men from here (I guess the world over) travel to Asia where the man can indeed be treated like a MAN. What a novel thought!

Chikan

Sainter
02-07-04, 22:49
Chikan, I'd have to say that your examples are exceptions rather than the norm. Sure there will always be migrants who play the system, but by and large, they play an integral role in western societies. Regarding the women, well it's just a by-product of years and years of lobbying for equal rights by feminists. Times change my friend, we either roll with them or, get swallowed up and spat out.

CBGBConnisur
02-08-04, 07:22
To the dude that mentioned that the US has some of the most beautiful women in the "fricken world", it doesn't matter since they have such a shit attitude, realistically they are not that good looking. I've seen proportionally larger numbers of attractive women in Europe, Asia, South America, here in Australia and even certain parts of Canada like Quebec and British Columbia. Since many have a lousy attitude that ruins the bottom line: the shitty attitudes precludes the chance of getting a good lay, so were are back to where we started where American women can't just cut. You go to a bar in Oz meet a pretty girl and if she smiles at you, you buy her a drink and talk and then take her back to your place. In America, I get plenty of friendly smiles but when you get to the conversation part most times you know you are going to exert a tremendous amount of effort for this lady to take her clothes off. I knew this good looking blonde at a place I worked at who always smiled at me, sometimes even walking by my desk and waving hello, a lot of other guys were jealous because this woman liked me. One morning in the parking lot she sees me and sees my car and I walk by and we notice each other, I try to say hello and she looks away. Obviously she was not impressed with my car and she was one of those golddigger types. I haven't run into this in Oz with a woman who was friendly to me, there are no alterior motives with Australian ladies or with women in Europe, Asia, South America, etc. If they express a liking to you they will be honest about it.

CBGBConnisur
02-08-04, 15:52
Affordable housing in California? Where? Last time I checked the cost of living keeps on skyrocketing in California. I bought a gorgeous brand new property on the outskirts of Sydney near a beach area that costed me $150,000US with 2900sq ft. of living space, that amount couldn't get me a coop even 30 miles outside of Los Angeles. A property similar to the one I purchased would be ten times more expensive in LA. With regards to your statement that women everywhere want something out of a guy, this is true but in many countries women aren't as demanding as those in the US especially when you go to other developed countries with a similar standard of living like in Europe or here in Australia women aren't as materialistic. Also when I have traveled, going out to downtown areas, shopping centers, bars, nightclubs, basically places of public gathering I always see a lot of stunning everyday women doing everyday jobs. Good looking international women tend to be a lot more friendly the reasoning for this is that there are a lot more of them so they don't make a big deal out of themselves that and there aren't a lot of local guys that are rich.

Joe Zop
02-08-04, 16:20
OK, TNH, you've finally revealed yourself -- only a real estate guy would make the case that California is some nirvana of affordable housing. What a hoot!

Joe Zop
02-08-04, 19:59
You don't need to be a real estate agent to compare something sensible.

Gee, let's see, according to monstermoving.com's city comparison charts (and others agree) -- average cost of a purchased 2000sq ft home in LA is around $406k. Let's look at some other large cities -- in Chicago it's $260k, in Portland and Dallas it's $216k, Minneapolis $218k, Washington DC $342K, Denver $294k, Phoenix $180k, Las Vegas $168k, Miami $180k. NYC (and other places in Cali such as San Fran) is about the only place more expensive. And for what it's worth, LA's cost of living index is 145, with 100 being the national average, so whether it's on the absolute top or not, it's still expensive compared to most places in the US.

Sainter
02-08-04, 22:24
Let me do that for you,

1) Melbourne
2) Brisbane
3) Perth
4) Hobart
5) Darwin
6) Adelaide
7) Canberra
8) Sydney

Pokey
02-08-04, 22:47
Los Angeles does have expensive housing, but with low interest rates its not really that bad. If your willing to live an hour away from Los Angeles like me, you can get a really nice house for $250,000.( don't ask about the commute, and yes those 250K houses are going fast)

But look what you get, besides the nice weather:
You can look for SW's in in Hollywood, on Sunset, is still one of the best places in the U.S. to find Prostitutes. The James Woods area, TNH talks about. Downtown area around 7th, skid roll, very nasty, but one in awile something great. Los Angeles area Figueroa, if you like them black, and dangerous. If you like asian, go to most cities in Los Angeles(MP'"), or take a drive towards the Inland Empire.( $40 to get in, sometimes as low as $60 for FS)
For more asian, in SGV, the private houses.( usually need a Asian friend to help you get in,but oh so great.) If your into Callgirls, I'm not, you have a big selection.

You also have other outlets for pussy, some cheap and other expensive. Las Vegas, 45 min away by plane, 5 hours by car.
My favorite spot- T.J. Mexico, is only 90 minutes away by car. Mexican pussy as low as $20, good beer, and food. (I usually get two girls, Bar girl rated 8 for $50, and then a SG for $25, lots of beer and 1/2 pill of Viagra 100mg, all for a little over $100 dollars.)

I think Los Angeles is a good deal in more ways then one.

disclaimer- I have a Real Estate license, but only use it for investments purposes for myself, and since the stock market, has been so good lately; I don't even follow Real Estate closely.

PsyberZombie
02-09-04, 03:56
May I Remind you Gentlemen that the Subject here
is AMERICAN WOMEN , *NOT* Real Estate

Now , Some might say that if you *really* want to Get Screwed by an American Woman = Hire her to be your Real Estate Agent

But That Discussion belongs over in :

http://www.realestateagent.com/

[ Isn't That Blond on their Home Page HOT ?? ]

Travis Bickle 2
02-09-04, 04:14
I'm a bit confused. LA is more expensive than 99% of the real estate markets in the world. So what if there is a dozen or so places that rivals or exceeds it in price. It's still mega-expensive. TAH please tell me what this has to do with American women. You've lost me.

Civ2K

Travis Bickle 2
02-09-04, 06:29
TNH, LA is the 19th most expensive real estate market in the world. That would easily put it in the top 1%, even among industrialized nations; possibly the top .05%. That's where I get my 99%. I take it you didn't do so well in math.

Anyway, my point is what does this have to do with American women being bigger snobs than the rest of the women in the world?

Civ2K

Sainter
02-09-04, 11:18
TallnHandsome, it's not that Perth chicks are that much better looking, just the mere fact that they're not as pretentious as the Sydney ones. Sure Perth is boring if all you're after is women but hey, I like to look at the whole picture. That's why I'd never live anywhere but in Melbourne. If you're ever in this neck of the woods, I'd happily give you a guided tour.

Pauline Hanson
02-10-04, 22:46
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Sainter
02-11-04, 09:35
I came on a Boeing 747 Megatop. You prick! I'm not going to bother answering a redneck like you. Perhaps as a baby, someone dropped you really hard on your head. I have more faith in our caucasion friends here than you. I'm sure most of them do not harbour racist attitudes like yours.


Oh, and you are the biggest disgrace to leave our Aussie shores since the wiggles.

Plugger
02-11-04, 10:55
PH,

If you are truly a representation of us white guys, then I'd much rather prefer to be Asian. You are without doubt the biggest disgrace on this forum.

Come on fellas speak up. Otherwise this lunatic will think you all support his views.

Joe Zop
02-11-04, 13:55
PH, there's a huge difference between complaining about bias in job hiring based on racial issues and saying that "no decent white man" would be with an Asian woman or that 99% of all Asians would do absolutely anything for money. Job hiring criteria is a fact, pure and simple, and having or not having an attitude about it depends on where you sit -- Chikan's complaint is far from unique and it's based on disappointing personal experience. Your opinions about the general superiority of the white race over others is simply boring racist crapola.

There -- feel better?

Skinless
02-11-04, 14:14
This is supposed to be about American women. But we must also briefly discuss Australian wanna be women. Why does a tough, hairy ocker take a female name - Pauline - as a nic. Paul means small and ine means small. So it is doubly small. And cute and female. Most white guys here might be card carrying KKK members, cross burners and general ass holes like Pauline. But this is not a democracy so their viewe, though interesting, do not form policy. Jackson is the duce, and FAQ 40 reads in part as follows:

40. What is SPAM?
Spam is defined as postings to the Forum that are contrary to the purpose of the site, including:
Hate Messages
Racist Messages
Race Taunting

Some overlap there but it essentially means Pauline: go wear your white hood and dress somewhere else. Maybe torch a few Aboriginals or beat up a few Asian schoolkids, wahtever it takes to get your rocks off, mate.

Chikan: shit happens. Vancouver and Canada have changed. Just like Australia. And Japan which is overrun by yen grabbing no good white bastards like

(Rec) JT Skinless

Pauline Hanson
02-11-04, 14:33
Report deleted by Admin.

Jackson, allow me please to state my views. Let us all have a reasonable debate about this without censorship. I would honestly like to know your humble opinion as well.

Sure, you can state your opinions, as long as they pretain to the purpose of this Forum, which is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.

Any more BS from you on any other subjects, and specifically your opinions on the subject of race, will result in your immediate removal from this website.

Jackson

ChicagoBoy23
02-12-04, 02:06
Hurrah Jackson !

The anonymity (sp?) of the internet really brings out the worst in people.

CBGBConnisur
02-12-04, 22:43
Ok lets get back to the topic at hand. It is true that there is a big difference in attitude between American women and the women of the rest of the planet. Women in the States tend to be more self centered and selfish. They like men for sex but at the same time hate them for being human. American women like to be someone else at the drop of a hat when it suits them. Just look at that corporate game show where the women use the tits and ass routine to beat the men. I have seen American whine about equality and sexism but they always use the T and A routine to get ahead in life when it becomes convenient. I liked the part when the women managed the restaurant they offered to drink shots of booze with the male customers. If the male team tried to offer to drink shots with female customers they would have gotten their pants sued off for sexual harrassment. Then when they win they boast about how much more capable they are then the men at running a business and all that crap. What a bunch of bullshit, its the typical arrogant American female attitude. A few years ago I talked to an American female friend about a trip to Europe, in particular Amsterdam, and she was telling me all this stuff about how horrible women are treated and that all Dutch women wind up as prostitutes and other horror stories. It turns out I had a damn good time in Amsterdam and now if an American female says something negative about how life for women is in a particular country, I visit the place because its probably going to be very good for a man who wants to get laid. You'll often here feminists say horrible things about a number of places including Australia and most of Europe and South America, but from a guy's perspective these places can be nirvana.

Pauline Hanson
02-14-04, 09:33
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LookR
02-14-04, 17:20
Just found a hilarious website almost custom-tailored to this topic:

http://www.meish.org/vd/

Also, there are just a few points I'd like to bring up:

* Today is Valentine's Day

* I live in America (Indianapolis, Indiana, The "Heartland")

* I have nobody to celebrate with

* And all I can think of are two small words: HELL YES!!!!

-- Lookr

GoodEnough
02-29-04, 04:04
Over the past 20 years or so, it appears to me that the entire process of socialization, and specifically cultural expectations has changed drastically for American women. As "gender equality" becomes an ever more realistic goal, gender-related differences begin to evaporate. In the US, particularly among middle class, educated women, the idea of "appearing feminine" has actually fallen into disrepute. Simply put, American women take ever less pleasure in their femininity, and are ever more determined to demonstate not only their equality to men, but their superiority. It can be therefore, exhausting for an American male to confront this phenomonon on a regular basis, not only at work, but also at home.

In other countries, including most of those in Western Europe, women, for the most part, enjoy all of the attributes typically associated with femininity. That is, they celebrate the gender difference without finding it demeaning, demoralizing, or self-defeating. It's refreshing for an American man, who may be looking for an equal, but not a competitor in his bed and in his life.

CBGBConnisur
03-02-04, 13:20
American women, while they are rabidly feminist and independent, they are also the most racist and ethnocentric women on the planet. I have often witnessed the condescending behavior and attitude of American female tourists in Cancun towards the local Mexican males. A lot of these guys are just trying to be friendly and hospitable and they act like total bitches. One time I heard a group of American females at a resort in Cancun expresssing diatribe after diatribe about the local men. One of the most racist comments I heard from one of the ladies was "These Mexican dudes think they can hook up with me?? Yeah right, I only go for blonde hair blued eyed guys from Seattle." She later made another nasty comment about the complexion of the local guys. If you witness the behavior of European lady in the same resort, it is like night and day, they are far less condescending and often are a lot friendlier to the local guys. What I am getting at is that American women are very STATUS oriented, they look at a what they perceive is a man's economic value to value a man's ability as a boyfriend, husband, or lover. I'm in Australia, and the local women have an attitude similar to that of Europeans. A lot of locals laugh when I tell them that I left the US not because of politics or socioeconomic issues but the fact that American women are BITCHES with a capital B.

Paddy
03-03-04, 05:36
CBGBConnisur,

Yes, they are Bitches with a capital B. Great Posting.

If you want to see them turn into even bigger bitches (if that's even possible), let it slip to an American woman that you prefer foreign women and go overseas to meet women and have sex. Wow, they really lose it.

For example, I have a sister-in-law who found out about my trips abroad and she was not only angered buy genuinely mystified. She asked repeatedly what a woman in Eastern Europe has that an American woman does not. After a few glasses of wine I told her. Not a good idea on my part. By the way, my brother has told me he'd give anything to join me. Says his wife is an asexual disaster. Says she's a "roommate" and not a wife.

Single American women take it even worse it seems. They can't fathom that American men would reject them and they really become livid. Their anger and indignation is really something to see.

Paddy

CBGBConnisur
03-03-04, 14:14
it's all about the money with american women, they couldn't care less about you as a partner. i guy could have a lousy toupee but have a lot of money and american women will be on him like peanut butter on wonder bread. the example of the american women i saw in cancun is so indicative of the status oriented attitude that american women have, and nothing seems to impress them, and taken the fact that there are amazing women elsewhere, why bother?
and that paris hilton chic? everyone in the us is making such a big deal about her? who really cares, because if you go to germany or some scandinavian country you will see millions of paris hiltonlike clones.

Cash Works
03-03-04, 16:28
I think CBGB may have hit it on the head when he mentioned the "Feminist" thing. The worst thing that seems to have come out of the feminist movement in America is that women are either ashamed of being women or pissed off that they're not men. This may not be just due to the feminist movement though, hundreds of years ago the Puritans had a huge influence on American culture and that influence is still around. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for equal pay for equal work and all that, I believe that women and men can be equal but it has to be understood that we're different. The difference isn't just the obvious difference in physical attributes, but also in the way we think. Men tend to be more direct when solving problems, women tend to look for a less antagonistic alternative (they want to find an open door as opposed to breaking a window when trying to get into a locked building, for instance). I think that American women are finally coming to the conclusion that they can't be men, so in their circuitous way of solving what they perceive as a problem, they are trying to turn men into women (or at least get us to behave in a manor acceptable to them) - via "political correctness", etc.

I've found it a little difficult to adjust to the way things are in the USA these days after spending most of the last 20 years outside the country. A while back, I was temporarily assigned to my company's headquarters (I live in another state), there was this absolutely gorgeous woman working there, she always wore tight skirts & low cut blouses & 3" heels that made her tits bounce all over the place when she walked. I made a comment about how hot she looked & was instantly reprimanded and told to keep my opinions to myself, or I could be fired on grounds of sexual harrassment! WTF? I don't think I was in any position to harrass her as she didn't work for me, I was merely making an observation that her attempts to make herself sexually attractive had worked!

The London office had another problem with dress codes - this one group that I did a lot of business with required the men to wear dress shoes, slacks, shirt with a tie. The women would routinely show up in sweats or jeans & doc martins or tennis shoes and their hair looked like they had just rolled out of bed! These people dealt directly with our clients. When I asked the head of that group (an American) about their dress code, he said that after discussing it with the company lawyers, he didn't think that he could tell the women how to dress without running the risk of offending them and getting mired in a sexual harrassment case. Again, WTF?

Paddy,

I was once on a flight from London to Bangkok and there was a British guy in the row in front of me who was speaking to these two British women sitting next to him. Seems he was having the same conversation that you had with your sister in law - he went into great detail about how it was better for a man to fly to Thailand & be assured of sex (for a small fee) with a lovely young lady than to stay in Britain and spend far more money on some slag who may or may not give it up at the end of the night - he really seemed to be enjoying himself, but the ladies seemed rather horrified. I thought it was very amusing to just sit and listen, far superior to the inflight entertainment provided by British Airways.

CW

Paddy
03-04-04, 16:23
CBGB,

Yes, money is a big, big issue with American women. It's a virtual prerequisite to even get to first base. I'd like to take this even one step further, though. I would assert that even if you have money (almost all of my friends are 100K plus) you STILL get their attitude. Many of the guys in my circle of friends have money, looks, etc. and they're still frustrated as hell. Many of them don't even bother to date or go to places to meet women anymore. They've actually given up. They all say that it isn't worth it. In fact, several of them are exploring those internet sites advertising women from Russia and the former Soviet Union. They're being cautious of course. One guy is going over there this summer to meet a particular woman from Estonia that he has been communicating with via one of those services. Soo...

Like you, I wish that American women could walk around Oslo, Copenhagen or Prague for example and see the extraordinary number of beautiful women there. These women relish in their femininity and don't view themselves as goddesses. Women in these cities are also friendly, approachable and don't subject you to the manipulative and controlling agendas that American women seem to almost universally possess. The differences are really startling. American women are permanently off my radar screen.

Paddy

Nyc Expat
03-04-04, 22:10
Paddy,
Need to make a few comments on your remarks about Danish women. I speak with over 30 yrs. experience.

Pros:
Yes, Scandinavian women are extremely attractive physically. They are also quite friendly, feminine and approachable. They make good friendships. They are less inhibited in bed.

Cons:
Scoring them is not easier than American women. Many are equally high maintainance as their US sisters. They are prosessive, dominating, manipulative, selfish and they really think they are goodesses. I know 5 American men and one British gent all divorced from their first Danish wives. The worst IMO is the overweight American epidemic has arrived in Europe.

That's why I'm looking towards latinas and Asian this year.

Sun Devil
03-05-04, 01:52
I hope Tiger Woods knows what he is doing.

Anyway, I have a question regarding Southern European women. In my experience with Spanish and Italian women, they tend to be more feminine and sweet than American women, having the same philosophy and outlook on life like Latin and Filipino women.

Is my experience an anomaly? I do hope that European women as a whole are not turning out like their sisters across the Atlantic.

CBGBConnisur
03-05-04, 04:52
The majority of European women are nothing like American women, Thank God. The catch is though if you take them back across the Atlantic to the USA, they will make friends with local American women and then metamorphasize into ball kicking bitches. I have seen this happen many times. Environment influences human behavior, its a herdlike mentality that drilled into humans to copy one another. Europe's culture is less feminist than the US and Canada so women are different there. US women are more independent and enjoy ball stomping even if you are a good looking guy. European women overall are better looking physically and have better personalities, they smile a lot more, I always had women I didn't know in public places smile at me in Europe, in the US they rarely even make eye contact since they are too absorbed into their own little world. In Italy and Spain you will find tons of hot women and their attitude in general is better than what you find in North America, in general most European girls are not as materialistic as their US counterparts.

Paddy
03-05-04, 05:29
NYC Expat,

Thanks for the info regarding women from Copenhagen. I only spent about 1 week there. I noticed that they were stunning and had no problems meeting them, etc. I was probably just lucky.

Are there any other cities to avoid in your experiences? Thanks.

CBGBConnisur
03-05-04, 20:33
Paddy, don't get discouraged by the comment about the ups and downs of Danish women. For the STR, they are definitely good, but for LTR, these women are human beings and have their flaws, the bottom line is that average Danish woman is still a big improvement over the typical North American lady and you will get the main thing, pussy. NYC hit it on the mark about Asians and Latinas, they are tops with regards to the overall experience but if you like blonde hair blue eyes you will do well in a Scandinavian country, Germany, and, and Holland. The financial investment of getting a woman from one of these places into bed is lower but the social investment is about the same as with American women.

Cutting Edge
03-09-04, 03:25
I vote British women as the worst by a wide margin! Rather than ramble I'll do this in point form.

- they are overweight or very overweight with bad cellulite.

- they wear scruffy clothes that make them even uglier.

- they don't have an ass to speak of.

- they have short "lesbian" style haircuts.

- many rarely have a proper wash or take care of themselves. (get on any public transport in the UK and you'll smell the body odour).

- they wear vast quanties of badly applied make-up.

- they hate sex, infact sex has only been invented in order to degrade women according to your average British girl.

- recent surveys by womens magazines have shown;

- 70 % of british women would rather eat chocolate than have sex.

- 35% will not have sex until they have dated for 3 months or more

- 25% of couples don't have sex.

- average is 3 times per month for 5-8 minutes per session.

- 43% of british women suffer from sexual dysfunction.

- even if dating a guy, they won't make public statements of affection such as holding hands, sitting in close proximity or putting their arm around their boyfriend.

- Despite their hatred of sex, STD's are at a high, mainly due to their lack of hygiene as mentioned above.

- they get drunk every Friday and Saturday night.

- they can't dance.

- they hate guys who DARE date foreign girls.

- they hate guys who speak a second language.

- they can't hold an intelligent conversation.

- they go to bars to milk drinks out of guys who should know better.

- they think any guy who speaks to them is a pig and just after sex.

- they think they are the best thing in the world.

I think thats it! Our divorce rate is at 50%, any wonder??

LookR
03-09-04, 03:35
More thoughts:

I moved out here to Indianapolis from San Jose last June, and lemme tell ya, the women are just as bad in Indy as they are in Silicon Valley.

Anyway, a few months ago at one of my two local hangouts here in Indianapolis, I had my usual stogie and booze. The bartender, a Sarah Jessica Parker look-alike, began extolling the virtues of marriage. The primary virtue held that it was the man's duty to "care and provide for the wife, even if she drove him into bankruptcy."

My response? "I want my wife to make more money than me!"

Well, lemme tell ya, about twenty other women in the bar heard that and their heads almost came unglued from their torsos as they turned to gawk at me.

I generally regard myself as a pretty considerate guy. But in cases like this, NO APOLOGIES, NO EXCUSES. That was probably the best damned cigar I'd ever smoked that night.

Heh, well, it just came about this past week that I received in invitation to attend a longtime friend's wedding ... in Otterswier, Germany. :) I definitely think fate has come to my rescue. Though I'll be surrounded by a bunch of Americans (and invariably some American women), I know that as a single guy I'll be able to mingle much more easily with the local population and consequently draw the ire of the American (and Americanized) women there.

Time to get my redemption on.

-- L

CBGBConnisur
03-09-04, 04:55
lookr, German women will be refreshingly different from American women so you will be in for a pleasant surprise. In physical appearance they are similar, but in their attitude towards sex, they are far more liberated in the bedroom. In fact nearly 2 and half years ago, I arrived in Germany at around 6 in the afternoon on a Friday and only 20 hours later, I met the woman of my dreams.

Cash Works
03-09-04, 23:30
Cutting Edge,

I actually see a lot of similarity between British and American women. It's interesting that you brought up the chocolate thing, I once read an article that tried to explain that by saying that one of the active ingredients in chocolate (I think it had bromide or something like that in the name) which is a stimulant, similar to caffiene actually triggers, in women, the same hormonal response as an orgasm. It's apparently not limited to American and British women, they just seem to indulge in chocolate more than women of other nationalities.

I once worked with a British guy who moved his British girlfriend and her kids to Fortaleza, Brasil. I was heading that way, so got some intel on the fam from some of the other guys at work. They said Mom was really cool (she was in her late 40's I think), but her daughter, who was in her early 20's was to be avoided. She was apparently one of those rare good looking british girls, but she was a total *****. I enquired as to how I could spot her & thus, avoid her and was unanimously told to "look for the good looking blondish chick who acts like she has a carrot shoved up her ass!" About a week into my trip, I was sitting at my table at "the gringo bar" (correct bar name was actually Jurema Drinks, gringo bar was a nickname due to a number of reasons I'm not going to get into here) when this family just decides to sit down. I observed the new arrivals who weren't speaking yet, just giving me the occasional smile, when I determined that the young lady had at least a carrot, or possibly an entire fig tree shoved up her ass - total *****, and she hadn't even begun to speak! Being the "gentleman" that I am, I introduced myself and said "you must be (name deleted by me)'s family" needless to say, I was correct and they were absolutely amazed at my keen deductive abilities. I had drinks with Mom a couple more times during my stay in Fortaleza, she was cool with guys chasing after the Brasillieras, but the daughter seemed to really hate all the gringos. The daughter was allegedly getting her fill of the Brasillieros (she said she had a "stable", never went out with the same guy two days in a row), just hated the gringos because we wouldn't put up with her attitude.

Over the years, I've definitely met a number of stunning British women and a few of these actually had decent attitudes, but they're definitely very rare. However, this board is supposed to be about American women isn't it?

Tall,

I wash mine at least once a day, when I shower in the morning. If it has been dipping into a warm and juicy place, then it'll usually get washed again afterwards. Back in the day, when I was living in Brasil, I was rarely the one doing the washing after the fact, it was usually the gatchinha, who had just serviced me that did the washing up, this of course usually wound up leading up to another round, followed by a wash-up, followed by another round, etc (pure hell, I assure you). She would generally clean herself up on the bidet immediately after I was finished, on her return to the bed, she would bring the wash cloth to clean junior. The only other place I've been where the women are so fastidious about keeping their kitty and my equipment clean is Thailand.

CW

CBGBConnisur
03-10-04, 02:53
Did anyone ever see Average Joe 1 and 2? Both times the girl picked the handsome stud rather than the average guy with a nice personality. This definitely proves that women can be as superficial as men. That's an accusation women have made of men for years. Its so wonderful to find out that women are no different. All that bullshit about talking right, being open emotionally to her, having charm, or knowing how her psychology was all BS well at least for North American women. In other places, South America, Europe, Asia, and Australia, you will find a lot of Average Joes with some spectacular ladies. The charm and gentleman approach works with International babes but not with North Americans who are just to cynical and emotionally brickwalled to care if you really care for them. The second Average Joe was very good indictment of the American female psyche, that dude from Boston pulled out all the stops, was a totally nice guy, and in the end that girl felt nothing for him. So she went with the good looking guy who ditched her because she dated Fabio. Ha ha she got what she deserved.

Cutting Edge
03-10-04, 20:08
Hi Cash Works,

I guess this girl you knew had to keep changing boyfriends as the Brasilian guys wouldn't put up with her nonsense. She'll have a very difficult job keeping a guy there, a Brazilian girl is very attentive, sexually liberal and passionate. I guess she hated gringos because they didn't give her any attention and it brought home the fact that she was nothing in Brasil. Back in the UK she would have boosted her ego every Fri/Sat night blowing off willing (drunken)suitors.

I find the double standards of British women quite funny as well. According to them, if a British guy dates a foreign girl then she must be after his money,passport etc. However, hoards of British women go to the Caribbean or Turkey/Morocco and end up bringing back some waiter they hooked up with.

Some members of this board may say that they go to the Caribbean for a larger penis, however I would say the correct reason is to make up for their slack vaginas. One conspicuous thing is that the body tone of your average female in the UK is sloppy and without substance. Compare this to the body tone of a Brasilian girl who could be best described as a stress ball on legs.

It seems the slutty reputation of the British female extends as far as Brasil. On a previous trip I meet a Brazilian girl who had done 3 months in the UK at a language school, she said " ah yes, the Englishmen are very polite but when they try to speak to the girl, she will say " f**k off you w**nker", but when the English girls go abroad on holiday they f**k everybody, the waiter, the barman etc."

CBCG Connisur

British chicks are the same as well, they talk all this nonsense but really want a boyband look a like who's stupid and going to give them money for nothing.
Whats so puzzling is that many of these girls with the real bad attitude who constantly give aggro to any men around them always end up with the biggest skank in town who spends have his life in prison. The other even more puzzling thing is that most of these chicks are fat and ugly, only 1 week back I was down at the mall with a friend, this chick gave us such a dirty look, funnily she was about 5ft 2 in tall, 25 years old and about 20stones(280LB).!! (I'd rather use my right hand).

Sixtynine
03-10-04, 20:11
If you are going to bash women about the double standard, don't forget the double whopper standard! ;o)

Women in this country just blow up and expand. Nothing is scarier than a woman with a bigger waistline than you.

Obesity to Be #1 Killer in America
http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid=34&in=health&cat=obesity_and_weight_issues

Cutting Edge
03-10-04, 20:17
Apparently by the year 2020(as reported by the BBC), it is predicted that 1 in 3 British women will be obese.

Paddy
03-11-04, 00:04
Hmm...

Have been to the UK and Ireland many times and have found the women to be extremely friendly and approachable. They're very, very different than women in the US of A. While the obesity thing may be coming, women from the UK are generally more fit and fashionable than American women at this time. Met many, many nice women in Manchester and Liverpool both pro and non-pro.

If you want to see fat, masculine appearing, mean-spirited, man haters, just come to the states and the Midwest in particular.

PanamaJack
03-11-04, 10:57
One question that I have about american women is why is it that they have so many lesbians in this country? everywhere I turn or go I meet lesbians, is this normal in other parts of the world? or is this just happening in the states. I think thats part of the reason why american females have such negative attitudes towards men in general. I've talked to so many lesbians that I work with and they are in general extreme femenist. I just don't understand why they hate american men so much. Its strange for me not been an american and seem it from a diferent point of view.

Cutting Edge
03-11-04, 21:28
Paddy, it all depends what you are used to. I've spent over 1 year in South America and coming back to the UK, I rarely see a girl that gets my blood going. Where did you go exactly in Manchester and Liverpool where you meet all these nice non-pro girls? I'm intrigued :-)

Paddy
03-13-04, 04:48
Cutting Edge,

Yes, I'd bet that the women and the scene in SA is the best.

The best place in Manchester was 'The Living Room' by far with the 'Crown & Anchor' second. The Living Room was full of women every night and they were dressed to kill. Groups of women everywhere and very friendly. A couple of them even bought me drinks??? One night, a group of them invited me to dinner afterward and refused to let me pay the bill. Could you imagine something like this happening in America? No way. One other night a girl whom I had been talking with for much of the night gave me her e-mail and she kissed me goodnight for about 10 minutes. Had we been alone I have little doubt that we would have gone for it right there on the floor. I have many fond memories of Manchester and its women. Glad I went.

In reference to Liverpool, I can't remember the names of the places. I hooked up with these 3 blokes in a pub and they took me all over town. Met many nice and friendly women as we moved from place to place. Overall, Manchester and Liverpool were vastly different from the scene here in the states. If it weren't for the exchange rate, I would seriously consider spending extended periods of time in the UK.

Paddy
03-13-04, 05:02
Cutting Edge,

Forgot to mention that the girl who gave me the 10 minute goodnight kiss at The Living Room was very drunk. I had been buying her drinks for about two hours. Still, it was quite and experience for an American guy. Everything is relative I guess.

Paddy

Wanna Eat Her
03-13-04, 05:48
I have always viewed most American woman as people whom look at what you have rather than whom you are . But , then again unfortunate experiences taint my opinion .

I live on Cape Cod in Massachusetts, USA . Having a divese community that consists of many S.A. and Euro woman I ask many questions as small talk can bring. With this, I have gathered that woman from other countries, most in the baltic region, regard American woman as people that have been pampered and spoiled thoughout thier lives . Therefore, it is in thier general opinion that the good looking American gal is self centered so to speak. This generalization I agree with. If you don't have it ($) you won't get it type attitude. Too bad because there are many people within this would, both man and woman whom are warm hearted and spirited regadless of the size of thier wallet or purse yes?

Like my dad told me as a young man: "you wait 9 months waiting to get out of the hole, then you spend the rest of your life trying to get back in". Thanks Dad, seems your right again. LOL

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Sinanju Master
03-13-04, 22:36
Hi all! Sinanjumaster here! I've returned after a LOOOOONG hiatus. Other matters demanded my attention that had to be taken care of. Holy crap! I see that my compadres Dickhead, Paddy, and Joe Zop among others are still in the trenches fighting the good fight! Keep up the good work guys! It's always good to know that there are LEGIONS of guys who are sick and tired of putting up with S*** and are doing something about it. To BATTLE, MEN! LOL

Cash Works
03-13-04, 23:47
Cutting Edge,

It was a long time ago, but as I recall, she did have a number of Brasillian guys chasing after her in spite of her attitude. Strange as it may seem, they appeared to be attracted to her in some masochistic way. They were all fairly young, however, late teens to early twenties. It's possible that they just didn't know any better or, they could have been going after a wife that could get them a visa in the UK. I suppose it could have been a contrast kink of sorts - she was basically the complete opposite of most Brisillian women. Who knows?

PanamaJack,

Lesbians in the US. I haven't a clue. But I could speculate that they see it as the only way to have sex without prostituting themselves. As continuously noted throughout this forum, American women won't give you a second glance unless you've got plenty of cash. With this in mind, it could be speculated that subconsiously, lesbians see all heterosexual women as prostitutes & since American society/morality condemns prostitutes, the lesbian subconsious concludes that the only way they can have sex & not be condemned as prostitutes is to have sex with other women. Lesser of two evils?

Another possibility, which has also been mentioned here is that many American women view sex as an act which is being performed upon them, like they're not an active participant or something, regardless of the position/act being performed. Most lesbians are women who enjoy sex, so maybe they want to be an active participant in the sex act and can't see that happening with a man, who would, by this definition be the one performing the sex act upon her.

I've never actually had this discussion with any lesbians, so it's pure speculation.

CW

Paddy
03-14-04, 05:55
Sinanjumaster,

Welcome back, dude! What have you been up to? I trust that you've been getting laid and having a good time.

Yeah, I'm not taking any more of this jive from American women. Will be in Prague in three weeks. Can hardly wait. They have REAL women there who don't view sex as a mechanism to control men.

Good hearing from you.

Paddy

Iceberg Slim
03-14-04, 08:41
I was in the UK/Europe the last two weeks. Yes there are some fat & ugly ladies but in general the women are much friendlier than those in the US. Those guys who never been outside the US were stunned by how attractive and charming British girls are compared with American women.

I could easily strike a conversation with in the train or the bus or even on a British Airways flight. There is no comparison just go on an American Airlines flight to London and see what I mean. This is one of the reasons that is making me want to settle in Europe.

I agree with Paddy.

Sinanju Master
03-14-04, 18:17
Chorfa1, your post reminds me of when I first came across that revelation myself. It was like Keanu Reeves in the Matrix when he became aware that there was another world out there and freed himself. Visiting a foreign country, at first, it was weird to encounter beautiful women who were delightfully well-mannered and actually approachable! It was like being on another planet, and I didn't want to leave! Eventually, I had to come back to reality. That caused me to crave offshore beauties even MORE SO. In conclusion, I'm currently engaged in efforts to make that possibility occur more often if not outright permanent-like.

Paddy, many thanx for the "Welcome Back"! I'd almost forgotten the camraderie of exchanging ideas and posts with my brothers-in-arms!

Cutting Edge
03-14-04, 18:20
British---American ....hi guys, I've actually found American women to be more friendly than British women. I think we can put this down to curiosity, when a foreigner talks to them, them what to know a bit more or give you the benefit of doubt. However, if you are from their home country, you're just another sick man looking to have sex with them!

Paddy, how much did those drinks cost you in the living room? Probably more than the price of an allnighter in the 3rd world. Maybe you struck lucky that night, generally it is a rare sight to see a girl kissing a guy in public over here. If they are, then usually it s a 'peck peck' type of kiss.

Goldfinger
03-14-04, 18:38
Tip for those in cities who want to meet foreign women. www.meetup.com I am going to meet the Russians in London on wednesday under the pretence of needing Russian lessons!

Cash Works
03-14-04, 19:44
Cutting Edge,

I think you hit the nail on the head with the "curiosity, when a foreigner talks to them" comment. Maybe it's some primordial urge to expand the gene pool or something - locals are too familiar & therefore wouldn't make good mates - too much chance of inbreeding - foreigners, by definition, are unfamiliar & therefore safe bets against inbreeding.

CW

Sinanju Master
03-14-04, 23:03
Cutting Edge, you may have a point there. I remember when I was once in Atlantic City and I was chatting with a Polish guy and he said that Polish women are bitches. I was thinking: "Huh"? The Polish chicks I met up until that time were pleasant to be around and beautiful. I guess the "exotic" factor allows a guy from another country to cut through the ever present defenses that women have in place. But hey, it ain't like I'm not gonna use that to my advantage! LOL

Paddy
03-15-04, 19:07
Cuttingedge,

Yeah, you're right. The cost of the drinks could have eaily paid for an encounter at one of the many great Saunas in Manchester. The situation, however, was that I had just come from a punt at Sandy's Superstars and went straight to The Living Room. So, I already had my fun for the evening.

It was just that the girl I met at The Living Room was so nice and charming. Talking to her, looking at her, etc. while we were both getting ripped was such a unique experience that I didn't want to stop. I'm from the Midwest and experiences like this are not to be passed up.

Cutting Edge
03-16-04, 01:39
Paddy, its strange that you pulled this chick after visiting a sauna. For some reason I've had similar experiences where I've been to a terma(sauna), serviced a chick then within an hour some normal girl has started chatting me up etc. I eventually I put this down to the girls scent I had laid still being on me, other girls could smell this and were subconciously attracted by it. They always say its easier to get a chick when you already have one. I suppose it is a confirmation that you are worth having.

On a financial note, I figure British women must be the most expensive lays in the world if the stats are anything to go by.

Average length of sex act in the UK = 5 - 8minutes

Average sexual acts per month = 3 - 4

Divorce rate = 50%

Average time elapsed prior to divorce = 5 years

therefore .. 7 x 4 x 12 x 5 = 28 hrs of sex during married life.

Average house price in UK = £180,000 ---- divide by 2

= £90,000

Approximately £3,000 per hour, that excludes all those sundry expenses though, plus the maintenance etc!!

Paddy
03-16-04, 05:26
Cutting Edge,

A compelling financial analysis for seeking out prostitutes vs. a woman for marriage. Although many married guys have long suspected such a cost-benefit disaster, you've laid it out in actual dollars. Well done!

I would also wager that if one factored American women into your analysis, matters would come out even worse.

Yes, isn't it strange how one often meets another woman right after having sex. It's like once you're on a a roll, you just keep going. A guy can also get on a roll in the other direction, too.

Dickhead
03-16-04, 16:06
Marriage is a waste of time. Just find a woman you hate and buy her a house. Then come here to Buenos Aires and screw a different woman, or two, or three, every day until your dick falls off.

Cash Works
03-16-04, 23:59
Paddy & Cutting Edge - and any others living in the land of POME's,

I think Cutting Edge is right about the scent, pheremones are supposed to be a very powerful tool when it comes to attracting the opposite sex & the fact that you just had sex, I think, means that your pheremones will be a bit stronger than normal. I suppose it could be that the other womans scent turned her on as well.

One thing I've always found interesting, is that married men seem to get hit on by single women a hell of a lot more than single guys. I don't know if any of you are familiar with The Tower, in Hull (very large & very loud disco/techno bar) - they have a section inside the club that is actually fairly quiet & set up like a pub. About 6 years ago, I was drinking beer there with 3 of my friends, 2 of them were married (one British, one American), the third, who lives in Thailand (he's American), had a ring that was turned around so it looked like a wedding band. There were a few women in this part of the club & as soon as they saw the "wedding bands" they were all over these guys. Being the only guy in our group without a ring, I felt compelled to enquire as to why they were so attracted to guys who were obviously married - the girls all said something along the lines of "guaranteed: NO STRINGS ATTACHED!" They were after a one night stand & figured that a married guy would do the deed and never bother them again. I have to say, that none of these girls were, IMHO, terribly attractive, but you tend to notice when you're the only one who looks single in the group and you're also the only one in the group that the girls aren't terribly interested in (vanity?). While my American accent helped, they said that they didn't want to take a chance with a single guy! My buddy from Thailand never let on that his ring was turned around.

CW

CBGBConnisur
03-18-04, 22:24
What is with this apologist mentality towards American woman? Everyone is trying to point to some external factor for the negative experiences that are so common with North American females. Some go as far as to blame us guys and our attitude. One guy even said a lot of us American males are bitter and even envious towards our females. Bitterness? Ha! What a bunch of bull, I am in no way bitter towards American women. What I am bitter for is the false media hype and baseless propaganda that American women are the best in the world. There are some idiots around the globe who think that American women are better than their own local ladies. I even knew a Brazilian who watched Baywatch and honestly thought the typical American lady looks like Yasmine Bleeth and Pamela A. There are numbskulls like this all around the world who have a TV or who has seen an American movie that gullibly believe that the typical American woman looks like Britney Spears or Angelina Jolie. That is total nonsense because women like Britney and Angelina represent a very small elite group of American woman who can be considered sexy, and I would say women in this category are probably one percent or less. In most good European countries women of the "hot" uberclass as we know it in the USA represent at least 33% percent of the population. I can walk through Amsterdam and find that 2/3rd's of the women in that city are sexually attractive and at least half of that proportion would give me an instant hard-on. When I was in Germany, I saw similar stats, at least one third of the women there in their 20's were hot and this contrasted sharply with the USA where in most cities only a tiny percentage of the women were attractive. Only in places in the sunbelt states the percentage of attractive ladies go up as in Miami and LA, even then the women there have a ***** factor. Australia also has plenty of lovely ladies and due to the fact that it is immigrant friendly with large numbers of women from Asia, Europe and South Africa entering the country, the number of hotties will continually increase.

As for Australia a lot of American guys should really visit this country and see how the local Australian men treat the women here, its quite shocking, because despite the fact that Australian women are some of the most attractive and charming in the world, they are often treated harshly by the local Australian men. There is a lot of chauvinism down under and a more a guy from North America who is generally more gentlemanly towards women is going to do a lot better than the local Aussie guys. The other issue is the exoticism factor, where an American male accent will be seen as interesting, sexy, and exotic.

Sinanju Master
03-19-04, 00:30
CBGBConnisur, you've twitched my antennae regarding Australia. I've always (since a kid) wanted to go there, and NOW I know why!

To digress for a second; a coworker who is in marital shackles (and a PRIME candidate for conversion to this website) actually had some HUGE cojones for a minute and told his selfish b**** of a warden (whoops! I meant WIFE) "If you keep talking shit like THAT, I'll trade you in for a 26 year old who WILL kiss my ass"! Man, for a second, I felt he developed a cape, a pair of red boots and an "S" on his chest, I was so proud of him! LOL

So, CBGBConnisur, have you been there many times? If so, did you concentrate your efforts on the major cities like Sydney or did you actually travel out west to the more remote parts?

CBGBConnisur
03-19-04, 01:48
I actually moved here to Australia. I'm currently based in Sydney. As far as women all the big Australian cities are excellent. Sydney is the biggest city and has the most variety. Perth is one the West coast and is the most laid back Australian city. Perth is good if you like Asian women and there are a lot over there. Melbourne also has a lot of laid back bohemian types, there's even a brothel that is traded on the stock exchange in Melbourne. Brisbane has a lot of blonde Pamela Anderson look alikes. Queensland and a lot of resort areas will be filled with lots of eye candy. The American accent works wonders with Australian women so its pretty easy to score, to them its something refreshing, kind of the reverse with American women who like Australian guys.

New Zealand also has a lot of sexy women, there are a lot of mixed Polynesian-European women in New Zealand and they have to be seen to be believed, some of them are Tia Carrere clones.

CBGBConnisur
03-19-04, 18:46
I bought a gigantic four bedroom home just outside Sydney for only $150,000US. Actually Sydney is expensive relative to other Australian cities but compared to New York or Los Angeles it is nothing like LA or New York. Apartments in downtown Sydney are generally more expensive than private homes in the outskirts. The Bondi Beach area though is the happy hunting ground for lovely ladies.

Sinanju Master
03-19-04, 21:36
CBGBConnisur, did you apply for and gain Aussie citizenship, or is the country a "base of operations" for you? My interest grows with each of your posts.

Rastaman, your posts are hooking me too...

CBGBConnisur
03-20-04, 17:51
There is definitely a difference in the behavior of most Australian women versus their US counterparts. One of the biggest is that they don't ask what I do for a living, the car I drive, where I live, where I went to school, which are basically probing questions to determine my earning capacity. An American woman often sees a new guy as a potential piggy bank. I really don't see this attitude with Australian ladies in fact some women I have ran into here are turned off by greedy corporate types. Things that Australian ladies generally value more are personality, attitude, and looks.

Elvis
03-20-04, 18:31
I'm not from the US but I live in NY, and most of the women I've met (whether american, black, latino) living in this city, are liberal and cool to hang out with; however, when dating them it's a completely different issue as they play too many mind games and have lots of restrictions.. And worst, they complain too much!

Just yesterday, on Fox, a woman presenting her book- "What a Lucky Dog: How to Understand Men Through Their Dogs" was saying so much crap about keeping men on a leash, and I cannot believe they allow this on tv.

Here's a recent transcript from an interview with CNN

DIAMOND: Absolutely. I think the very important thing, like with dogs and men, is at the beginning train them. All men love to be trained. Just like dogs, they all want to be trained.

KAGAN: Do you crate train them? Do you crate train your men, Wendy?

DIAMOND: Oh, my -- well, not that much. We keep him on a short leash at the beginning. You know, no tricks without treats.

KAGAN: Very good. DIAMOND: And also, you know, it's basically really important that, like, no means no, and you get all of, you know, the boundaries of where you want that relationship to be straight out at the beginning.

KAGAN: At the beginning.

DIAMOND: So, yes...

KAGAN: No bad habits develop. They're harder to break.

DIAMOND: Absolutely. And it's really important, like, that you go through everything with them so that you know, like, at the end of the day this is how the relationship is going to be from now on, and he understands straight out at the beginning that you train him.

Long Stroker
03-20-04, 19:21
let me preface this by saying that since discovering wsg, this has become one of my favorite threads to follow. the discussions that take place here are great.

paddy, cutting edge, and cash works,

my two cents on the issue of pheromones and wedding bands:

it does seem sometimes that when it rains, it pours. go thru a dry spell and then get one phone number and then they start filling up you pockets till you can't keep them all straight. (almost :-)

immediately after popping a nut, you feel like king of the world. your speech, actions and overall demeanor reflect this both overtly and subtly. females pick up on this like crazy! this tells them two things: 1) that you have no problem getting access to pussy. and 2) that you must be something worth having if other girls want you.

chicks are very much into group think. they always like to get together, share opinions and form consensus. so if one girl gives you passing marks, then they all buy into the idea that you're a hot property.

same thing for the wedding band. on one hand, yes it indicates a possible no strings attached fling. but it also signifies that you must be something worth having if another chick already has her claws in you.

and let's not forget this is the fuck-up female mind we're dealing with here. they only want what they cannot have: aka a married man.

imho,
ls

CBGBConnisur
03-21-04, 18:22
I'm going to say it again but to a brick wall, that American women are the worst value in the world. Visit other countries and you will see a big difference in the female attitude of women outside of the North America. But most guys just believe the crap they see on TV and movies and buy it like a bunch of gullible idiots.

Prokofiev
03-21-04, 19:12
'" it does seem sometimes that when it rains, it pours. . .
immediately after popping a nut, you feel like king of the world. your speech, actions and overall demeanor reflect this both overtly and subtly. females pick up on this like crazy! this tells them two things: 1) that you have no problem getting access to pussy. and 2) that you must be something worth having if other girls want you."

this is very true and has happened to me many times. women love confidence in a man. there is a genetic need to find someone who can provide a stable life for her and any potential family. while this usually manifests inself as "gold digging", someone with little status but an attitude of confidence and the attention of other women can work just as well. there must be something there that attracts the other ladies, or so they think.

years ago, i was involved with co-ed volleyball at the local ymca. i asked several girls for a date and was shot down. i then hooked-up with the most beautiful woman at the gym and was the envy of all the guys. suddenly i was the man. within a couple weeks i was propositioned by both girls who had rejected me as well as 3 different married women - despite the fact that their husbands and kids were at the y too. kind of blew my mind at the time - but now seems rather normal. try getting a good job after being laid off. if a company thinks they are stealing an employee from the competition, you can get some unbelievable offers. but someone without a job - not so attractive. that's life . . .

CBGBConnisur
03-21-04, 21:46
"A job" isn't a requirement to meet a good looking woman, its more like a very high paying job, a nice car, a nice place with US females. Outside North America " a job " is good enough, it shows your responsible.

Worf1972
03-22-04, 00:22
Prokofiev,

Very good point, I would go to a club in the states. Walk in by myself and be igonored. Walk in to the same club with a woman friend on my arm and every woman in the club would check me out.

I discovered this behavior is more so with women then men. Men usually don't care if a woman is with another man. But it spikes a woman's interest if a man has a woman with him.

LookR
03-22-04, 02:27
Yep yep! One of the things I've noticed having moved out here to the Midwest from California (believe me, I sure as hell didn't want to make this move, it was for the (currently dead-end) job) is that I don't have to worry about women who try to "out-man" me.

Now I have to worry about women who "want to be taken care of."

You know, it's sad when I look forward to spending my evenings home alone rather than going to my favorite hangouts & dealing with the spontaneous unmitigated bullshit of American Women.

There was one poster I saw the other day that really made me laugh: It's a picture of this totally hot babe, with the following caption beneath:

"Right now, someone somewhere is putting up with her shit."

-- L. :)

CBGBConnisur
03-22-04, 03:04
Praise the lord in Heaven, that I moved to Sydney.

BenDover57
03-22-04, 03:11
There is no doubt that American women are spoiled… spoiled by American “morality”. American women provide pussy as a reward to men who put-up with their B.S. And, we (men) allow that to happen. In countries where prostitution is legal and you can get laid for less money than you spend on a date, women are much more attentive and considerate. They tend to enjoy our company more because they realize that other pussy is readily available, at a much cheaper price. Why put-up with a ***** full time, when you can get a better looking GFE for a short time. Like they say, the difference between a girl-friend and a wife is 45 pounds!

I understand that “misery loves company”, but why do American men continue to let “pussy whipped” liberals in congress legislate our morals. We go-out-of-our-way to make America a safer/better place for our children, so in that process let’s also correct our social problems. The divorce rate in America is 50%, primarily because American women do not tend to their husband’s needs. Why should they, when they can file for divorce and receive alimony for the rest of their life. In countries where prostitution is legal and mistresses are accepted, men are not held hostage by that little-hole-with-hair around it.

Worf1972
03-22-04, 10:25
Look R,

"There was one poster I saw the other day that really made me laugh: It's a picture of this totally hot babe, with the following caption beneath:

"Right now, someone somewhere is putting up with her shit". I saw that same ad on a hustler website, funny shit. That one ad explains American women in one full sentence.

Pokey
03-23-04, 04:10
I tired of hearing all this ranting and raving about how bad American women are. I have a daughter who is entering the dating age, and is an American, so I'm going to stick up for her and other American women.

The fact is all women all over the world like to fuck, if they find a man they like/love.(not my daughter lets take her out of here now) They have a perfect right to fuck whoever they want, just like we men enjoy fucking young women with nice big/ small tits, and tight women.( most mongers don't want fat ugly women to have sex with, they just marry them, then look for something on the side.)

If an American women rejects you because you're so ugly, fat, or poor, then too fucking bad. You should get over it, and monger like you been doing all over the world and yes even in the U.S.
( I'm in the same boat as most of you: I feel I'm a little to old to go to clubs to pick up young 20 year old girls to fuck.) You don't see my crying over it, somehow I still get the young 20 year old anyway.

I realize thats its easier to to get a young girl overseas, but do you really think she is falling in love with you, and wants to fuck you because of whats inside your heart? More then likely she is desperate for money and will do anything to get out of the situation she is in.

American women on the other hand are very educated, more women then men in the U.S. are getting advanced degrees and earn a very good income. Can you blame them for wanting a little more then a fling with a Mexican in Cancun earning $50 a week, or for them rejecting losers.

Get over it!!!! or go on a diet and get a better job.






s

Zeybek
03-23-04, 05:10
Aaah American Women

How I love to hate them, but because I am stuck in the bowels of New Jersey, I can't do much about it.

I travel to the sunny coasts of Turkey often and I swear when I comeback, I am in severe depression, it takes me 6 months to recover. As for the women, buuuh humbug!! Women here are just so incredibly idiotic.

I am a good looking guy, have a house, a great job, disposable income, brand new car, nope, not enough. What angers me is after spending my times with 8s and 9s overseas, coming here and being given the run around by fat ass 6s...it drives me insane. Unfortunately, I have no patience so I just tell them to go fuck themselves.

I have told all my friends here, they have to be idiots to put up with this. Unfortunately, because of their ignorance, they know nothing about the world. I tell my friends that if they want serious babes they should come with me to Bodrum or Cesme in Turkey, and just talk English. They give me stupid answers like Midnight Express. Fuck Midnight Express, America is a Nightmare Express when it comes to women.

What is not common is always in demand I guess. If you live somewhere, you can't really get major pussy. Especially in the metropolitan NY/NJ area, forget about it. It's all money money money.

I am 29 I was a bit worried that I would not be married and stuff like that. But I look at guys at work who are married, first of all they are all cheating (usually with butt ugly providers), or they are divorced or going through a divorce. Marry who, these chicks??

The gentlmen before made a remark like get off your ass, get a job, blah blah. Well it's good, but I know some seriously good looking guys who are very wealthy, who get some serious ass: But you want something long term, meaningful, forget it. Their luck is just as good as us normal guys, even though we are no adonis or david.

My solution is, like Dickhead Said. I am saving my money, partying overseas. To hell with these cunts here. Actually, THANK GOD for the Ignorance. If they knew what we knew, just think how ruined everything would be for the rest of us.

Travis Bickle 2
03-23-04, 06:05
Pokey, I have to admit that I agree with you. I don't find it surprising at all that an attractive woman would prefer a handsome man with a good income. Most guys if given a choice will pick the youngest and prettiest woman they can get and conversely women will pick the best looking and well-heeled guy they can find. This is true wherever in the world you go. If you don't believe me try putting two equally good looking guys side by side. Tell a group of young women that one is a rich man and the other can barely make ends meet and see which one most of the women congregate around. It may seem otherwise because if you go to a country where the average wage is 15 cents an hour -- even the guy working at Burger King looks like a catch. Of course once you get her over here she can see that she can do a lot better and does.

Civ 2000

Inner Demon
03-23-04, 20:38
Pokey & CIV2000, What’s up fellas?

Why have you two become so fired up over the submissions in this thread?

It’s healthy for the men here to express their displeasure of the times when they felt taken advantage of by women (women do it all the time – it’s called girls night out).

Moreover, it is understandable why the men here are upset. Just as people become fed up with the political game, people also become fed up with the dating game, the marriage game, the sex for good behavior game, the divorce game, the alimony game & the child custody game.

Truth is that many men enjoy foreign women, as well as sex workers (foreign & domestic), because they feel that there are no pretenses. You know her situation, she knows what you want, you know what she wants, and you either strike a deal or you don’t. Mongering is straightforward & honest (And unfortunately for most men & women, mongering is the only time men & women are truly honest with each other).

And in case you are wondering, I’m 33 years old, 6’2” tall, 235 muscular pounds, and reasonably attractive. I hold a baccalaureate degree (and will be attending graduate school in 2005 if all goes well), and have a daughter & a son. I only mention this information so you do not get the impression that I’m too old, too fat, too uneducated, or too broke to maintain a traditional relationship with a decent American woman.

So please do not chastise the members for using this tread the way it was intended. After all, it is an opinion thread created for mongers to “vent” about American women.

Besides, I enjoy the posts & think that some of them are right on point.

Pokey
03-23-04, 23:35
Inner Demon, nice first report to WSG. I wish to welcome you.
I understand the frustration of some of the Gentleman on this forum, but its getting to be too much and only one-sided against American women. I think women no matter where they are from, can and will take advantage of men, or will be great to men.(Someone has to stick up for American women, but I won't always do it, so please others don't try to make me take the bate.)


A graduate student with a wife and kid, and a habit of picking up hookers? Life is tough, now I could see some American women wanting to take you home for the night, but without that job can you blame them for rejecting you for anything longer term? I could see how a foreign women might also reject you, for other reasons. ( if you work full-time too, well thats great, but now your life is even harder.) Oh ye, watch out for the PHDs' on this forum, we have lots of them.

Good luck, and hope to hear from you again, and where you monger.

Travis Bickle 2
03-24-04, 00:34
Inner Demon, I would like to welcome you to the board as well. I don't feel like I'm getting all fired up over the submissions in this thread, I just find it curious that some guys find it necessary to constantly complain about American women just because they are just as choosey about their sex partners as we men are.

You said that mongering is the only time that most men and women are completely honest with each other. You are joking, right? Most of the SW's I pick up treat me like I'm their best friend. They tell me how big my cock is and how much they love sucking it. They moan and fake orgasm and tell me how much they loved having sex with me. The reality: I pay hard-earned money for them to give me this illusion. Honest? Hardly. And I act like I'm interested in them and their lives, when all I really want is to bust a nut.

And I love foreign women myself and love picking up hookers even though I have been married and frequently have willing sex partners who I don't have to pay for sex. Correction: I do pay, I just don't hand over the money. Dinners, movies, etc etc. I find mongering more honest on that level. I have had foreign girlfriends and I can tell you they are every bit as gold digging as their American counterparts.

So, keep on venting. I will too. These American women are conniving *****'s and frequently drive me crazy too. But I also love American women; especially SW's.

Civ

Sinanju Master
03-24-04, 02:45
Interesting posts, gentlemen. Were it not for several issues with American women, I'd have no problem with them at all. My BIGGEST beef with them is that I often hear them say that the ideal man they want to hook up with would be rich, look like Fabio, own several villas and luxury and/or sports cars and run a multinational corporate empire. That's a SLIGHT exaggeration (JUST SLIGHT) but I've actually heard women utter some of this drivel. Another issue is that they whine incessantly when they latch onto a man and he doesn't take shape like the (impressionable) lump of clay she envisioned him to be. They complain to their girlfriends that the guy is an asshole yet she CHOSE HIM AND STAYS WITH HIM! They take it further by complaining to a guy friend who they would lead on to believe that by lending a caring ear he could somehow take this asshole's place. I got burned MANY A TIME and finally learned my lesson. Nowadays, when I hear the shit I just described, I look at it as if they are weeding themselves out FOR ME! I don't have to act like a P.I. and determine if this is a quality woman. Wanting the youngest (allowed by law, of course) best-looking woman on your arm is natural, but for me, it's not a "written in stone MUST-HAVE". I often find that an average-looking to very attractive (several levels below Supermodel) chick who is wonderful inside is LIKE THAT because NOT being of supermodel status forces her to develop intangible attributes that would effectively make her a "queen" without a crown. To put it short and sweet, my own personal standards of beauty are somewhat flexible, because I know that Supermodel Suzie is more than likely a vaporhead who depends solely on her looks and has no compunction about using a guy to get what she wants. She is not as intellectually developed as the Everyday Chick who has more balance with beauty, brains and class. Sure she may not grace the cover of Vanity Fair, but on the other side of the coin, there isn't a marble statue of ME in the Smithsonian museum posing in Olympic glory. If she can accept the fact that she made a mistake in choosing the wrong man (getting back to one of my beefs) and not make it an issue to be aired on a daytime soap opera, and move on and learn from it, BRAVO! Sorry for the long-winded explanation, my brothers, but I just wanted all of you to know EXACTLY where it is I'm coming from and that I don't lay thermonuclear bile at the doorsteps of American women WITHOUT just cause. Are there classy American women out there? They say there's life on planets OTHER THAN Earth, so, it just may be true.

Joe Zop
03-24-04, 05:27
Umm, Sinanju Master, don't lots of guys ideas of ideal women fall into roughly the same category of unlikely? I mean, expecting women with big-titted model looks and porn star sexual abilities and appetites, who are happy to sweep the floors and cook dinners while serving endless beers to the ongoing poker party to fall for basically normal guys with normal looks and jobs isn't exactly heavy on reality either.

Your point about women who complain about the men they chose (as well as your methodology on this) is a good one -- and I think it's related to the whole illusion of how they think things "ought" to be. Fabio may have a great look, but there's no guarantee one of his clones won't be someone who slaps women around or comes home drunk every night or whatever. I certainly know lots of women who have gotten involved with total losers simply because of how they look or because they pretend to be big shots because that's what she wanted to hear in order to hop in the sack. That's called reaping what you sow.

'Course, I know plenty of guys who've gone the same route, and I've got just as little sympathy. Dealing with real people means generally not getting absolutely everything you want, no matter what country you're in and what gender you are.

Inner Demon
03-24-04, 07:14
Hey Pokey,

Thank you for the welcome, but I hope I did not mislead you. I am a single man (YEAH).

I can understand why some women would not want to pursue a long-term relationship with an underemployed gentleman; however, a fair number of the posts are from relatively affluent men who still seem to encounter problems with intimate relationships. I do know that domestic violence is present in all households regardless of household income (I would love to know the percent of divorce relative to income/net worth). It just seems to me that money isn’t the magic bullet, but that there is some other underlying issue.

Having said that, understand that I too enjoy hearing all sides of a debate. I wish there were some cool, nonjudgmental women here to present their perspectives on dating.

Look forward to hearing from you again Pokey.


Hey Civ,

Thank you for the welcome & for responding to my post.

OK Civ, you said:

"mongering is the only time that most men and women are completely honest with each other. You are joking, right? Most of the SW's I pick up. They tell me how big my cock is, and fake orgasm, they loved having sex with me. The reality: I pay hard-earned money for them to give me this illusion.

Civ, this scenario doesn’t describe dishonesty. This scenario describes good customer service. Hell, many men pay a premium for this type of behavior.

You then go on to say:

I do pay, I just don't hand over the money. Dinners, movies, etc etc. I find mongering more honest on that level.

This statement confirms my original point:

Many men enjoy foreign women because they feel that there are no pretenses. You know her situation and you either strike a deal or you don’t.

Now, there will be some degree of playacting involved in mongering – this is present in every business transaction. You expect your wife to intimate desire for you, real or imagined. Part of what you pay for is the GFE, and since she’s on the clock, you know where her behavior stems from.

What you do not expect is to feel more comfortable with your XXXXX than with your significant other. Unfortunately, many men are suspicious of their lover’s affections because many times they do not know where her behavior stems from. It’s frustrating when your personal relationship begins to feel like an everlasting business negotiation – never knowing when everyone’s finally off the clock. Hell, if I’m going to feel that way, I may as well hang out with the w~~~~.

But you keep on venting Civ. Everyone is better off when we share ideas, popular or not. I know I do not have all of the answers, so I look forward to reading posts from you & all other members on this board.

*********************************************************
Sinanju Master,

Amen Brother!

Oh, I live & monger in SE Florida. I have posted before in the West Palm Beach thread, but it was anonymous at the time.

ID

Sinanju Master
03-25-04, 02:12
Joe Zop, you're right about unrealistic expectations of BOTH SEXES, but you (only slightly) missed my point. FANTASIZING about the ideal mate you described in your most recent post is harmless fun as long as one realizes that it's just THAT-- a fantasy that is not REAL. To clarify what I was trying to impress upon my bretheren here on this board, I'll give you a very specific example. An acquaintance of mine (a Czech chick who could very well be a model) was telling me about her female coworker who was single (I don't know her current status now). The coworker was lamenting the fact that she wasn't part of a couple and I was curious about why she wasn't. The Czech chick then tells me that (as verbatim as I can remember) "Elizabeth is always complaining about being single, but her expectations are way too high. She expects some tall, dark and handsome guy who has to be Italian with great hair to sweep her off her feet". Czeck Chick also mentioned requirements such as the nice car and outstanding job, etc. I'm not gonna begrudge this woman her desire to hook up with Fabio. That's her right. However, she was nowhere NEAR being a looker although she has a great job and can stand alone on her own merit. If she keeps holding out for this unobtainable vision, she'll go the the grave alone and bitter. She's looking for a man that either doesn't exist, or if he does, he's already taken by a Paris Hilton lookalike. She (and a LOT of American women) need to be more flexible in their selection pool. I'm not advocating "settling" for the bottom of the gene pool by ANY means, but they should revise their criteria to achieve the best results. I've learned that Happiness comes in a manner, shape, place and time that is as unanticipated as the roundhouse kick that could have dislocated my jaw. I hope I clarified what I was trying to say, Joe Zop. :-)

Joe Zop
03-25-04, 02:53
Actually, SM, I don't think I missed your point -- my post was more a comment that the oftentimes unrealistic visions such women have are far too often matched by the equally unrealistic expections of our own gender. There are plenty of rants all through this thread (not recently, I don't believe, however, though there is of course the notorious "fat" discussion earlier) and elsewhere that focus on the physical shortcomings and other of various groups of women based on every bit as surfacy a set of criteria as the ones your Czech friend describes her friend as having. I've had far too many conversations with guys that go, "well, she's perfect but her tits are too small" or "I can't stay with her -- I only want a woman who's under XX age, 'cause after 30 her tits start to sag" (seen yer feet lately, bud?) or "she does everything I want in bed, but that means she's basically a **** at heart, so I can't stay with that" and so on. (Excuse me, but please pass that latter girl's number on, pal!) I agree completely that many American women have ridiculously unrealistic expectations, and my point simply was that so do many American men.

What's no good for the goose is also no good for the gander, and both sexes are too often stewing in their own juices.

Inner Demon
03-25-04, 03:28
Hello mongers,

I noticed a mistake in my last post. There is a line that reads:

You expect your wife to intimate desire for you, real or imagined.

This line should read as folows: You expect your wh~~~ to intimate desire for you, real or imagined.

That makes much more sense, and it expresses the point I was trying to make. I apologize for any confusion.

I guess that's what I get for posting at 2:00AM.

-I. D.

Cash Works
03-25-04, 15:20
Sianju,

These women you mention wanting somebody who runs a "multinational empire" are bound to be unhappy if they get one. Unless, of course, they really don't care about the guy and are only into him for his money. Over the last twenty years or so, I've dealt with a number of high level exectutives in multinational corporations (no CEO's, but a few Presidents and a lot of Vice Presidents). They were all from one industry, so may not be a good portrayal of the entire corporate spectrum, but I would have to characterize 90% of these guys as sociopathic, low-life scumbags - with very large bank accounts. If that's what these women you mention are after, then more power to them - their prospective mates certainly won't care. The other 10% are sociopathic bible thumper hypocrites who screw people over all week long, but reckon it's ok since they go to church for an hour every Sunday to have their souls cleansed.

CBGB,

Last week you mentioned that Australian women never ask you probitive questions about your financial/educational background. It's possible that they figure that since you managed to make the move to Oz on your own, these questions have already been answered. When I was living in Brasil, I used to meet up with women from all levels of society - those living in flavellas to ones from high society (old money or well positioned families). The expectations were different based pretty much on the women's educational background, but the original assessment (that pertaining to financial assets) was very similar - women from the flavellas wanted to marry any non-Brasillian man and move back to his country and "live the good life" because they just knew that all foreigners in Brasil had to be rich, "after all, they managed to buy a ticket to Brasil & were generally not sleeping on the beach, so they must be rich, right?" On the other end of the spectrum, the well educated, high society types were a bit more pickey about foreigners since they understood that wealth is a relative thing - a middle class North American or European can live quite well in Brasil as long as he keeps getting a paycheck in USD or Euro's or Sterling, but these women were still interested in non-Brasillians because they were different from all the other guys they had known for their entire life and they also viewed foreigners as being potential mates due to a perceived reasonable financial stability - "they managed to pay for a trip to Brasil and they're not sleeping on the beach, so they must have some money, right?"

And CBGB, you say you own a large 4 bedroom house in Oz. What sort of message does that send to they local girls? I reckon their initial probitive questions have, in their minds, already been answered.

The fact is, women are women and somebody has already mentioned this, women are genetically hardwired to go after men who they perceive to be a good provider. I think the reason that American women are such a pain in the ass may be due to the fact that in America, women are expected to be able to work & provide for themselves which is in contrast with their genetic programming which is telling them that men must provide for them.

CW

CBGBConnisur
03-26-04, 22:53
Cash Works a picture says a thousand words:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/950000/images/_950958_aussiefans300.jpg

http://www.azra.akin.bz.tc/azra_dosyalar/0015.jpg

http://www.saigonnet.vn/vanhoa/chuyende2003/missuniverse2003/03052403/images/Miss%20Australia%20%20Ashlea%20Talbot.jpg

http://www.research-racing.de/gpx2282.jpg

I see thousands of women like these every day in the land down under.

Travis Bickle 2
03-26-04, 23:32
CBGB, Just a suggestion, anyone can post websites with pictures of Miss Universe or the Foster Lager girl. Yes, even we in America have gals that pose for beer commercials. How about posting some pictures of real Australian girls or some of the beautiful hookers down there? I know the OZ women are outstanding, but how about something besides a professional model?

Civ2000

Cash Works
03-27-04, 06:22
CBGB,

I'm not arguing that there are some beautiful women in Australia, but you'll have to admit there are a few dogs as well. I've met a few of both and agree with you that their attitude is much better than their American counterparts - even the dogs were loads of fun when it came to partying.

The point I was trying to make is that if you were an Australian man, the Australian women would probably be quizzing you on your background & financial situation when they first meet you - as a foreigner in their country, you get to bypass the first round of interrogation based on certain assumptions that seem to be universal (doesn't matter what country you're in, foreigners are a curiosity) when local women are sizing up foreign men in their country, they're thinking "It costs a lot of money to get here from there, since he's here, he must have money".

CW

CBGBConnisur
03-27-04, 21:30
Well good looking and unattractive women are everywhere in every society and culture. The contrast though between beautiful Australian women and beautiful American women is attitude and personality. It doesn't do you much good if woman is good looking but unfriendly and arrogant. This is the major advantage that Australian women have over their US counterparts, its a lot easier to get them in bed because they have a more open attitude and put up fewer barriers. Australia is an excellent example because it is a country that is culturally and economically similar to the US(why do you see so many Australians in Hollywood?), so its interesting to see how different the women are in terms of their attitude.

You do make a fine point about the fact that I am an American and become a curiosity to these women is indeed true. You can thank the local Australian men for this, guys here are notorious for their rather rough attitudes towards women. Chauvinism is very common here and it is not unheard of for a boss to ask a female employee to wear a miniskirt or something to expose her cleavage. A business associate of mine who visited Australia a few years ago noted this. He told me about the fact that there were lots of attractive women and that it was easy for an American male to get laid because these women were tired of dealing with the chauvinism of the local guys. Whether or not they're attractive they're treated quite harshly by local guys. American guys regardless of the the female's behavior treat women treat them with respect. Even if they treat us like shit we suck it up and treat them well. This doesn't happen down under and guys here always take women for granted. In fact, in many countries where there are a lot of beautiful women, sexism is rampant so these places are easy for a gentleman to score. So its our attitude that makes it easy for us to find good quality sex in other countries.

Lenin
03-27-04, 22:42
Hi CBGBConnisur,
I read your old posts about European girls.
How you can compare European and Australian women?

CBGBConnisur
03-28-04, 06:37
Cashworks, here is the bottom line, try driving around any big city in the USA and see if you can pick up this type of hooker, a 20 year old hardbody blonde hair blue eyed Baywatch type, and get two hours of sex with her for $75. You have a better chance of winning the lottery. A couple of days ago I picked up not one 20something Baywatch type hottie but TWO and I paid A$200($150US) for THREE HOURS of HOT WET SEX(BBBJ, DATY, COT, Tongue kissing) They gave me an extra hour for free and I didn't even ask. Most Aussie guys think I got ripped off because they make them stay the whole evening for that much money. Last year when the exchange rates were better, that would have only been a $100.

Cash Works
03-28-04, 13:42
CBGB

Yeah, monger material here, at least where I'm located is sparse, to say the least and what there is - well, lets just say that I wouldn't fuck it with YOUR dick! I've heard it said that a guy will pay to have sex with a woman he wouldn't be caught dead with in public - well, that must be true in my town - what few pros are out on the street are pretty skanky.

I've heard about the Aussie male/female relations bit. I've actually observed it in a limited way - never been to Oz, but used to work with a few Australians. One incident occurred when everyone was just showing up for work (this was in an office outside the US) - Aussie girl in her mid twenties, enormous rack (I'm certain they're 100% natural) - each tit was nearly as big as your head! Aussie guy (actually a Kiwi, but he lived in Oz most of his life) says to her when she walks in "hey (name deleted), howz yer tits?" she stopped, looked down at them & said "they're both fine", then rolled her eyes, got a cup of coffee & went to work. If that happenned in America or even outside the US, but involving Americans, all hell would have broken out and at least the guy would have lost his job. All said, this guy generally treated women well from what I could see, just had a different sense of humor and the Aussie girl didn't seem to be offended at all.

CW

CBGBConnisur
03-29-04, 01:54
So a total stranger just pulled up her dress and showed you her butt? Very nice.

Cash Works
03-29-04, 17:44
CBGB,

Two jokes Australians & Kiwi's (men) tell about themselves may explain why Australian Women are so quick to go with foreigners:

# 1. Welcome to Australia/New Zealand, where men are MEN, and sheep are scared!

# 2. Why do Australian/Kiwi men get married? Sheep can't cook!

CW

Wanderer1000
03-29-04, 18:23
Lenin,

Great to see you back. I enjoyed your insights last year on Russian women, etc.
I was just thinking about your comments when CBGB was talking about Australian men and how they treat their women. I remember your point about how American men might think the Russian mens´ behavior is terrible toward their women, but it´s actually the mens´behavior that creates the qualities in the women that many of us like in many foreign women. I think one of your perspectives is that we as American men only have ourselves to blame for the quality of women we´ve allowed to be created.
Do you see the CBGB perspective about Australian women as the same in Russia?

CBGBConnisur
03-30-04, 19:02
Cash Works, LOL.

Daddy Lows
03-31-04, 07:39
I was watching the evening news and they had a blurb on those 5 women suing Hooters for invasion of privacy. One of the girls said, "I feel so violated. I was being watched, especially not knowing it." I feel sorry for them and what the manager did was illegal but these women, all lookers 9-10 on anyone's scale, get looks all the time, whether they know it or not. I know this is a litiginous society but I wonder if a jury would award a large sum of money. More than likely, I think there will be a settlement which, in my mind, shows that these women are really after the money. I think the perv should get some kind of legal punishment for assailing the women's right to privacy but I'm at odds with the way these women act in front of the camera, reading statements dryly acting like they were hurt. I mean, this is a Hooters they were applying for. They are all very well-endowed. They are using their bodies to make money, i.e. tips. I dunno anymore.

Peace

Jack Spratt
03-31-04, 13:58
CBGB

I wouldn't normally bother to stop over in this site, because I have very little interest in American women. However I have, and I read your your post of 28 March.

In the great Australian idiom, unfortunately (for those who read and believe you), 90% of what you say is bullshit.

What is true is the curiosity factor, and that some American guys (whether deservedly or not), have a reputation for being "gentlemen". Many also have a reputation for being loudmouths, and xenophobic bullshitters (how's that for a generalisation!).

I would suggest, based on the Americans I have met, that chauvinism and sexism are no more prevelant amongst Oz males than they are amongst our American counterparts. It depends a lot on what socio-economic strata you move in, and whether you are in the main cities, or out in the bush.

It would be a brave employer today who suggested or insisted that his/her female staff wear a short skirt or low cut, cleavage exposing shirt. It is highly likely they would have their ass sued off.

Just trying to add some balance.

jack

In China, nothing is ever as it seems.

CBGBConnisur
04-01-04, 03:08
Well from what I have seen, my female coworkers in Sydney wear very skimpy clothing but that could be due to the climate more than the boss. Sometimes we don't have air conditioning in our office. And also I have seen a number of male coworkers compliment female employees on their appearance.

Lenin
04-02-04, 16:31
Jak, glad to see you again.
I am partially agree about comments that
American men have ourselves to blame for the quality of women
I recently moved to Montreal. I didn’t explore it well yet
but something I notice right away.
I went to striptease bar in Montreal which popular among American tourist
The girls there take off their pants only in the very end of the third dance
They don’t make eyes contact while they dancing
and girls upset when you refuse to give them tip.
I never see such bad behavior in any regular Canadian striptease bar where are no Americans.
Second reason, of course, it is the system itself which humiliate the men here in the North America like nowhere in the world.

Wanderer1000
04-06-04, 02:29
Lenin,

It will be good to hear some of your impressions on any differences that may exist with the Quebec women in the future.

I forget how long you said you lived in the U.S., but now that you're removed from here, do you have any ideas or impressions on how an American man can best deal with an American woman -or do you believe it's largely a futile effort in general? I know there are sites like doclove.com that give sage advice on how to deal with American females and be successful - and it generally gives advice that tells men to act like men instead of pussies. Do you think American women generally want men to be less sensitive, more demanding and even domineering - even though the perception is that they would be "offended" and act repulsed?

King Arthur
04-06-04, 05:08
Sinanju Master,

On 3-24-04 you said "Czeck Chick also mentioned requirements such as the nice car and outstanding job, etc. I'm not gonna begrudge this woman her desire to hook up with Fabio. That's her right. However, she was nowhere NEAR being a looker although she has a great job and can stand alone on her own merit. If she keeps holding out for this unobtainable vision, she'll go the the grave alone and bitter. "

I believe studies have shown that if a girl thinks she's hot stuff, then you as a guy better be hot stuff to approach her. Girls who are genetically superior and got their financial act together are the hardest to bag. You should know that I've heard of situations where these girls are so picky that they DO wind up being old and lonely.

They think they're hot stuff, but their power is brief. At age 30 their chances of landing their ideal mate go down 70-80%. In my experience I find it too difficult to go after the beautiful and educated/intelligent/money girls. If your looks are average, it's much easier to go after the beautiful, poor, uneducated ones.

Jak, I've bought some Doc love info. I think his stuff is primarily aimed at the developed countries where women's financial situations are on the par of men's, such as US, Japan, Germany, UK, etc. In 3rd world countries where most women are poor (Mexico, Argentina, Brazil,...), just have money and show some manners to get pussy.

CBGB, maybe one reason US treats women better, i.e. less chauvinism, is the large number of lawyers here. Something like most of the world's lawyers are in the US, so any type harassment or unruly behavior is immediately punished.

Daddy Lows, I agree with you that these girls are after the bucks. Emotionally hurt? BULLSHIT. These are the kind of girls that probably fuck around and have been on Girls Gone Wild. They probably go skinny dipping on weekends. While I do agree that their privacy should not be invaded, I don't believe their nakedness is worth millions of dollars. You can pay $10 cover to a local strip club to see some pussy.

Rastaman, maybe the Aussie women were so friendly to you because they wanted to see an African American man's big dick?

New Bound
04-06-04, 11:51
Hi friends,

I'm from Oregon, USA. We all know that the USA is a challenge picking up model types.
We all enjoy going to Europe, South America, etc. when we have a chance.

I was on business in NYC last week and actually had a great deal of luck with the ladies, and it started to make me wonder about the USA in general. The bottom line is that the USA is a very large country and some cities must be slightly better than others for picking up nonpros--although all USA cities are inferior for chasing skirts compared with just about all international locations.

Unfortunately, I'm stuck in the USA most of the year. But I can relocate to any USA city.

My question is: If you take the 200 largest USA cities, what are the top 5 USA cities where the ladies are the most friendly towards men, and the easiest lay.

By the way, I'm blond, 26.

Thanks, guys

Have fun, and enjoy the game.

Smut Villain
04-06-04, 18:11
Hmm,

I'm not sure about the top 5, but I've had _excellent_ luck in San Diego....but, alas, I'm stuck on the East Coast (Southeast, to be exact). Compared to where I lived in California, it's a huge let-down.

Sinanju Master
04-07-04, 02:24
KingArthurad


Dude, your assessment about this chick Elizabeth was right on the money! By now she's accumulated some years into her 30's and I don't see her chances of landing her dream man improving in the slightest.

Regarding your comment: "They think they're hot stuff, but their power is brief. At age 30 their chances of landing their ideal mate go down 70-80%. In my experience I find it too difficult to go after the beautiful and educated/intelligent/money girls. If your looks are average, it's much easier to go after the beautiful, poor, uneducated ones." BULLSEYE, my brother!

Life may not be fair but in this sense, vengeance is sweet: an older GUY with some cash is gonna make out like a relative bandit with the younger opposite sex MORE SO on average than an older woman in the same circumstance. I remember watching the show "Frasier" and he was talking to his coworker Roz about this same situation and he uttered a line that I think is a classic; "I don't make the rules, Roz, I only ENJOY THEM!"

CBGBConnisur
04-08-04, 13:39
For a man I think, men generally have more time to choose a mate than a female. Men usuall don't lose their looks and appearance that easily. Sometimes thinning hair is a problem or gain in weight but these problems are easily corrected these days with the medical technology available. Look at Hollywood, most of the top actors are in their late 30's to early 40's and many have active careers into their 50's. This doesn't hold up for actresses as most remain in demand only in their 20's and their careers tend to go downhill when they turn 30ish. So even is this day and age of feminism, it is still good to be a guy. Women unlike men tend to find maturity in the opposite sex attractive. I've actually spoken to a number of women in their 20's who want a guy who is well behaved, emotionally mature, and stable and most 20somethings are usually the opposite, basically someone who can take care of them. This is also coming from my own experience as my fiancee is nearly 10 years younger than me.

Cash Works
04-08-04, 16:34
What do women want in a man, or in general, for that matter? I think the person who has the answer to that question would have to be a true genius.

CBGB, you mentioned baldness - I've met dozens of women who get really turned on by bald guys. I knew a guy in high school who had thinning hair before he was 18. Bumped into him a couple times when I was in college (he was at a different school), by the time he was 20, he was completely bald on the top of his head and he always had at least one good looking girl hanging on his arm.

Back to the college days, my own experience back then was almost always with older women (usually 10-15 years older than myself). The girls my own age were generally interested in older guys for a couple of reasons:

1. the older guys had money, where the young guys generally did not, so they could go to a nice restaurant, night club or take trips with the old guy, not with the young guys who generally didn't have enough money to pay their rent.

2. sex drive - young guys (late teens to mid twenties) are horny all the time & can generally get off 5 or 6 times a night (speaking of my own experience here, don't know about the rest of the guys) - this scares the hell out of most (American) girls the same age, while older men tend to have a bit more control on their sex drive (more in sync with the young ladies). The sex drive of the older women, however seems to increase - they're generally happy to have a partner who's ready & willing to go at it all night, while their younger counter parts want to hurry up and get it over with.

The few girls my own age that I got up with while I was in college seemed to be really up tight, needed a hell of a lot more foreplay than their elder counterparts & only interested in allowing me to get my rocks off once - if I was really lucky, they would allow me a second round.

American society frowns on all of this, of course. It's scandalous for an older woman to date a younger man. While it used to be common (even encouraged) for older men to date younger women (and be socially acceptable), this has been increasingly frowned upon for the last 20 years or so. What ever happenned to "if it feels good, do it"?

CW

Bakuram
04-09-04, 01:43
I think every guy here in Us should vow NOt to date or even flirt with fat chicks. I think we are too nice to fat chicks in this country. Be rude to fat chicks, you are doing a favor to your bros here!

Iceberg Slim
04-09-04, 05:51
In the US, we men deserve the women we get. Most women in my company are too fat, assexual slobs and have no sense of how to dress. I am often shocked these women are married to guys who pretty much are also fat slobs. It is enough to make me want to live in Europe.

New Bound
04-09-04, 07:19
Bakuram,

I here you man, I wish is was that easy here in the USA. The problem is you go out and every girl is semi-fat, or obese in the bars. That puts us guys in a tough situation--if you want a little action. Suddenly your being nice to semi-fat girls. My strategy is to have five or six beers, then kick the semi-fat blimp out of my room at 4:00am before I sober up.

Yeah it is a sad situation here in the USA.

By the way, what USA cities do you guys find most favorable to chasing non-pros. San Diego?

Thanks,

NB

Bakuram
04-09-04, 23:31
New Bound,

I think all the guys here should lobby so that prostitution becomes legal. The price getting sex will go down. Consequently, we wouldn't have to hook up /flirt/buy drink to fatties. If we can always give those fatties cold shoulder, they will have to go back to the gym to trim those extra.

I think the key is: mongring has to be legal and cheap. But there are a lot of feminist bithched (or dickless guys who support these bitches) who will go against that. The law in this country is extremely discriminative AGAINST men. That is a sad story.

I think NYC might be better to get some free ass. A lot of sigle, and a lot of competition for girls too.

Bakuram
04-09-04, 23:39
One more think that I must mention: there are a lot of dilusional girls in this country. I have met so many chicks in my life who need to lose at least 5-15 pounds, but think they are too hot for anybody to even approach them. If a really hot (thin) chick has an attitude, I dont like it, but I can see where she is coming from. But attitude from the chicks who has some extra in them is simply UNACCEPTABLE. This is definitly not the case in europe. SAD!

CBGBConnisur
04-10-04, 04:22
That is why there is a thing called a mail order bride service, many services can allow a client to matchmake with thousands of potential candidates. Some of the services I have seen abroad particularly in Europe and Australia are quite good. I knew an overweight German electrician whose buttcrack constantly showed when he knelt down, his wife is an absolute gorgeous Czech that is playboy quality, he met her through some service in Europe. An American guy with this type of profile would sadly be only masturbating to the Czech woman's image in a porno mag.

Member #1793
04-14-04, 01:06
I am on the way to file a divorce with my wife. She is too dominate. And I am the one who fed the family. We had agreement with money and the kids. Do you guys know how much will it cost of this easy case?

Thanks for your help,

Pak

Smut Villain
04-14-04, 19:46
Quote by Bakuram:

"I think all the guys here should lobby so that prostitution becomes legal. The price getting sex will go down. Consequently, we wouldn't have to hook up /flirt/buy drink to fatties"

You sort of touched upon my theory as to why most (Western) women are so vehemently anti-prostitution. You see, their vaginas are pretty much a form of currency/leveraging tool for them, and they know it. If it were suddenly possible for a man to "get some" on demand, without the games or without jumping through hoops, then the value of that "vaginal currency" declines; the "leveraging tool" between her legs loses at least some power. In short, pussy for hire pretty much fucks the game up for the (manipulative) non-pros.

In fact, I dare to suggest that legalized activities may cause an eventual wholesale shift in attitudes of the manipulative sex; think about it- if they wanted to keep our attention in such an enviroment, they would have no choice but to abandon their games. Ironically, the prostitute becomes SERIOUS competition for the Western Female swine.

Reminds me of a saying I once heard from a friend: "women act the way they do because they're the ones with all the pussy".

I couldn't agree more.

Sinanju Master
04-14-04, 22:51
Smut Villain,

your quote reminds me of a similar saying a guy told me 20 years ago. He said: "Dude, women have HALF the money and ALL the pussy!" It was utterly enlightening and hilarious to hear him say that! "Half" being the minimal amount of money that they TAKE after becoming the warden in the matrimonial prison.

About a couple years ago, I started to see (metaphorically) that women's "currency" is their looks and their "two-lipped" commodity. What they don't see while they recklessly wield their power without thought of consequence, is that their currency is time-based and loses its value as the days pass. When the time comes for them to decide to settle down and finally act civilzed, they find that their currency is nowhere NEAR in demand as it was when they gleefully abused that power like an insane potentate. I then saw it as Karma. Said chick is now bitter because things don't go her way as she has been used to having and blames those (men in general) who she fucked over in the past. American Women, the Universe is circular and those heartless, evil actions which you set forth to satisfy your ego and to make yourself look good in front of your friends has now returned as a Karmic (is that a word?) credit card bill which you MUST PAY.

MEN'S currency (thankfully) is CURRENCY and the perceived attributes that come with it. That currency will ALWAYS outlast a woman's currency and I'll be the FIRST to be thankful for THAT.

Pak, my man, I'm sorry to say that your soon-to-be-ex is gonna do her damnedest to make you grab your ankles! What with dickless politicians and the biased court system, they're gonna AUTOMATICALLY assume that SHE is the more appropriate caregiver and that YOU have BAGS of money to provide for your kids and her soon-to-be (RELATIVELY) extravagant lifestyle subsidized by YOU. You should listen to guys like Dickhead (first time I ever praised him, I believe, and possibly long overdue), CBGB and others I haven't mentioned.

Member #1793
04-15-04, 00:29
Thanks Sinanju :

After 12 years getting together with my wife. I know my soon-to-be-ex won't make my life miserable. We just don't get along well. And not talk often. We agree to keep the house myself, I will give her an apartment in China. After that $1200USD/month. Which is not difficult for me and they can maintain above average life there(a nany 800RMB/month).

Thanks much for your kind and suggestion.

Pak

Rabo Verde
04-15-04, 05:41
GPS = GOLDEN PUSSY SYNDROME.

Bakuram
04-16-04, 01:21
Smut villain,

Well said. We pretty much have the exact same theory. Seriously, we guys really need to lobby in order to legalize prostitution. If any one starts the movement, I will be happy to pay a handsome amount in its support. Collectively, we can at least make a statement.

Sporadic
04-16-04, 17:59
Gentlemen,

A couple of comments on the recent discussions.

1. Legalizing prostitution: from a punter point of view, legalization means little, the social stigma remains. I suppose the best reason for legalization is to get these ladies paying taxes and more importantly covered by some kind of social safety net, not to mention putting pimps either out of business, or forced to provide employee benefits. In places where prostitution is legal and/or tolerated openly, prices are not lower, nor higher than anywhere else per se. What somebody pays in Michigan for quickie car BJ would pay for a long luxurious night with a fine young CIS lady in Dubai. The market always rules.

2. The "American woman" syndrome: I have never ceased to be amazed by the huge number of American ladies who are convinced they are just too hot. They base this upon the attention received at the bar/disco or whatever. Now gentlemen, you and I both know that men (in a bar for example) will pay outrageous attention to almost any lady they are convinced they will end up with in bed with. Fact of life. I have chatted with some young co-workers who were waxing poetic about how the men were flocking to them etc. and they were brought up rather short when I tactfully pointed out that said gentlemen were not interested in their stunning personalities or accomplishments. The smart ones realize I am right. Consider gents, what your attitude would be if every time you went into a bar, five or six ladies made serious attempts to chat you up. I mean every time. And we wonder where the arrogance comes from.

Just an opinion.

Cheers,

Sporadic

PurpleNGold
04-16-04, 18:12
The other night, I was in a disco in Thailand and there was this semi-fat American chick up on one of the platforms making an obscene spectacle of herself. She was flailing about because she couldn't dance for shit. Yet, you could tell she had this attitude like she thought that her shit was fucking perfume.

Sad thing was that, on the same platform, right next to her were two 95lb hotties with good shapes that were pretty good dancers. You just knew looking at the three, two of them would be fantastic fuck partners and would cost a whole hell of a lot less. Made the spectacle quite pathetic.

Smut Villain
04-16-04, 19:29
My 2 cents' worth:

"Consider gents, what your attitude would be if every time you went into a bar, five or six ladies made serious attempts to chat you up. I mean every time. And we wonder where the arrogance comes from."

Too true, Sporadic, way too true. But my question to you is this: I still wonder why mostly Western women are afflicted with this syndrome. When I was living in Latin America, I _never_ saw this kind of shit going on; only in the States! What's your take on that? (Incidentally, you're right about the legalization's effect on prices; one only needs to head down to Tijuana, Mexico to see the result for himself)

And regarding PurpleNGold's observation: I think maybe this chick was sooo used to being the center of attention, that she didn't realize that she was out of her league (compared to her nearby competition). Not just in looks, either.

Sinanju Master
04-16-04, 20:42
Hey Guys!

A little parallel observation regarding my best friend (a chick). I don't mean to bash her 'cos she's cool (she likes to hang out and drink and do guy stuff with me at times) but being an American Woan, she too is of the school of thought: "Guys should flock just to eat my shit!" Now, a retort regarding why she is WAY delusional. From what I gather, she must be decent in bed, BUT, she has an ass that one could literally put a drink on and it wouldn't fall off. It's THAT LARGE. Her youth has fled her (she's still "relatively" young at 40) but what were once huge and probably quite firm tits are now falling victim to Gravity. "Resistance is FUTILE" LOL All this (in addition to an attitude that men are on earth to serve HER) and she STILL thinks she can command the attention that a hot commodity brings!

Smut Villain
04-16-04, 21:38
S.M.,

Dude! That's just WRONG! Does she not realize her "market value" started dropping about 10 years ago? Not to rag on your friend, but I'll bet in her mind she's still under 30.

Sometimes there is a such thing as "too much confidence"- especially when it (apparently) isn't warranted.

Bakuram
04-16-04, 22:38
I completely believe that market rules. But market rules only if it has a free and efficient environment. While being illegal, the price is not quite dictated by the quality / demand, as long as prostitution goes. Obviously, I am willing to pay a way more to a julia roberts looks like than to a crack h**. The good thing about legalization is: we would know exactly how much we will have to spend to get laid for a given quality of the pro. Going out, buying drinnk, put up with shit of those semi-fat women but I think I am toohot could be expensive. If we can get laid with a thin prosituture legally without any hassle, why will we bother going through all the shit with those semi-fatties? We wont. And exactly then, those semi-fatties will loose their attitude.

LookR
04-16-04, 23:14
Gentlemen:

I've seriously been enlightened with the past several postings, particularly the concept of the kitty as currency. I absolutely 100,000,000% couldn't agree more.

BRILLIANT! :-)

I've had the opportunity to visit other countries (Japan, Thailand, Brazil, Germany, Mexico, China, Singapore (ah well, at least it's a city-state!), etc.). And in every single one of these places, I have never ever, ever, ever, ever, ever come across any woman with the hang-ups that are the birthright of American Women.

I'm going to Germany in the first week of June for a friend's wedding. It's in a teeny-tiny town right on the French border.

Two words: HELLO KITTY!!

-- L.

Smut Villain
04-17-04, 16:16
Another quote by Bakuram:

"If we can get laid with a thin prosituture legally without any hassle, why will we bother going through all the shit with those semi-fatties? We wont. And exactly then, those semi-fatties will loose their attitude."

Dude, that's EXACTLY the point I was making with my "pussy as currency" rant.

You can either wine and dine some pig, buy her some fucking trinket, and MAYBE you'll get some (after some profuse goddess worship); OR shell out a couple of bills to a shapely hooker, and be GUARANTEED to get some. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out which is more cost-effective.

When you think about it in those terms, practically ALL American women are prostitutes to one degree or another; they all expect you to pay in return for putting out.

The only difference is just a matter of how much.

Sinanju Master
04-17-04, 19:06
Dudes, I was listening to a radio talk show hosted by Tom Likas (I hope I spelled his last name right!) and some broad called in and said "...in the end, all guys pay for it". That's true; we can either pay for it EVERY DAY by putting up with their shit, and thereby shortening our lives with the misery they cause us OR we can pay for it up front and BOTH parties can agree right then and there what is expected of the other. In the former scenario, HAPLESS GUY gets laid every once every so often while more often than NOT he has to take her shit because he feels said chick is the only "supply" available. In the latter scenario, said SMART GUY gets to "get his" and after he gets it, the chick is gone and he can enjoy the rest of his day WITHOUT putting up with her crap. Smart Guy knows that this broad is NOT special, because as Tom Likas said (and this line was brilliant and funny as Hell) "You are NOT special. Just because you have something between your legs that makes you FEEL like you ARE special, you're NOT. In fact, HALF THE WORLD HAS ONE BETWEEN THEIR LEGS, and if you don't want to give it up, the guy is gonna leave you in a cloud of dust and go to someone who WILL".

Sporadic
04-17-04, 20:02
Smut Villain et al.

My take on the "only American women are like this" business:

I was married to an American woman many, many years ago. She was not a bad person but was completely caught up in the "men pay attention to me in the bar" bs. My eyes opened after extensive travel and living outside the US for two and half decades.

Old world values. Simply that. IMHO, in most of the rest of the world men are still treated as titular heads, due certain consideration.

In many countries, a young lover was the successful man´s due, indeed many wives looked at it as a relief from demanding duty. Always with discretion.

My European wife is a very liberalized, full time professional. It would never cross her mind to bust my chops (or balls) in public or private. If there are issues to be discussed, they are discussed. Understand, we have spats, but it is always within the context of a certain respect.
She is aware, deep down, as are most women (excepting American) that a middle aged man can find replacement company much easier than a middle aged woman. Fair? No. Fact of Life? Yes.

If you are looking for 30-something ladies, look no further than Europe. There are many who chose careers or are divorced and every single man their age simply chooses a younger lady to marry.

Again, these are my personal observations, but rest-of-the-world women seem much less delusional than the USA versions.

As for the physical side, again the social status quo permits an OBFM to be acceptable, not so the ladies. Not fair, fact.

Solution: Let every young American man spend at least two years in another country/culture. You would hear the heads popping out of asses like the "shot heard round the world." When I am in the US and a flirting cow tries her act on me, I just chuckle and shake my head. Who the hell do they think they are? Patent holders on the Vagina?

Cheers,

Sporadic

Sporadic
04-17-04, 20:11
Sinanju Master,

I would put your comments in context. Are you looking for a wife or sex?

My wife does not make my life miserable, if she did, I would leave her. Nor do I "put up with her shit." Having said that I have no desire to be in a LTR with a walking vagina.
As for sex, that is another story. Apples and Oranges.

Cheers,

Sporadic

Sinanju Master
04-17-04, 21:19
Sorry, Sporadic, for not putting it into context. I meant what I said from the point of view of the UN-married. If I ever got married, I'd make DAMN SURE ahead of time that she wouldn't pull a "Sybill" on me by adopting another personality that I knew nothing of. That's why I like to observe people when they're not looking (not putting up their "good face" to the public at large) because it is THEN that they act their true selves.

As for your wife, with whom you seem to be reasonably happy, I salute you for making a choice that seems to have benefitted your life AND not made you grumble and seek escape.

I'm ALWAYS looking for Sex. As far as a Wife goes, that endeavor takes a LOT of investigative work (passive and aggressive) and time to see if it's an act or the real thing. I don't really see me ever getting hitched to an American woman because I would more than likely have a secret bank account unbeknownst to her in order to possess an "escape route" in case her Inner Gold-digger/psycho ***** came out to reside PERMANENTLY. I've seen and heard of TOO MANY American women devoting their lives to wringing a man DRY after things go downhill. A good example is a post I submitted a long time ago. My ex-best bud met his now EX in December 1995, proposed on Valentine's Day 1996 (excuse me while I vomit) and got MARRIED in MAY of 1996! I made a wager with one of his sisters that the marriage wouldn't last 6 months. I got $20 richer for that. Come to find out that my bud WASN'T hubby #2, but hubby #4!!!!! AND..... after they got divorced, she wanted HIM to pay for the removal of her fake tits AND she tried to sue him in order to have HIM pay for debts she incurred BEFORE they were married! Is that fucking GALL OR WHAT?? This is just one example of the horrors of not doing one's homework.

In the area of matrimony, I just require a chick that has a good head on her shoulders, has integrity, is pleasing to the eye, and isn't about playing mind games.

Yes, Sporadic, Apples and Oranges, but I hope that cleared things up.

Sporadic
04-17-04, 21:44
Sinanju Master,

No need for an apology, indeed if you think one was required, then I must have posted badly. I was putting your comments into my context.

If anyone out there has a LTR with someone who is 100% sexually compatible (tastes, frequency etc.) and is an excellent partner, well, I congratulate them.

As for being single, enjoy yourself, and I do not think you are being the least bit paranoid in setting up a fiscal escape net.
Not my problem, thank goodness, but I would certainly be wary nowadays.

Cheers,

Sporadic

Cash Works
04-17-04, 23:09
About 18 years ago, I was talking to this guy at a bar in the Miami airport & he told me that his marriage was set up like a business. He was an accountant and his wife did something else in the financial services industry (stock broker or something). He had been married for over 20 years & had raised 3 children. He said that when he and the wife got together, they were rather nervous about marriage because all their friends were going through nasty divorces within the first 3 years of their marriages. So, they made a business plan for their marriage (I think they would call it a pre-nuptial agreement now), where they agreed that all income would be divided up in specific ways - they both got an equal percentage, the rest went into a family fund that they used to pay all the bills. The idea was that "since it was inevitable" that they'd get divorced, they would set it up in the beginning to make the distribution easier.

The kids were taken care of by the family fund until they were out of highschool. The kids college funds came from the two of them chipping into an investment account at the tune of $100 per month per kid from the time they were born until their 18th birthday. He said that these funds were fairly hefty by the time the kids turned 18 due to good investment choices. Once the kid turned 18, they were given full access to the account and told that they had to move out of the house by the end of the summer after they graduated from highschool - college was up to them, they were paying 100% of their own way. If they chose to forgoe college and buy a Maseratti instead, it was their choice.

I was rather shocked by the last part, but he said he had one kid who had just graduated & the other two were well on their way. He and the missus were still together and never argued about money, since they had their own accounts which essentially had the same input due to the way they divided things up.

I suppose if they divorced, they would still have to haggle over the common property and the family fund, but their personal accounts would be off limits.

I don't know if his wife was American or not, I never met her, but I assumed that she was. Every time I've thought about getting hitched or ever wound up being with the same woman for more than a couple of nights, this guys story pops into my head - seems like the best way to handle the greedy ******!

CW

CBGBConnisur
04-18-04, 15:48
I wouldn't neccesarily put all the blame on American women, its also the fault of men and our own environment that ultimately screw us over. I had a friend who is lives in New York and regularly travels to Brazil on vacation to meet women, Brazilian women are arguably some of the most beautiful and stunning women on the planet Earth. Here's the Catch 22, my friend fell in love with this absolutely beautiful and stunning 20 year old from Rio, I mean this woman would give you an automatic hard on, she was no need for Viagra beautiful. I mean anyone who wouldn't get aroused by her mere sight probably doesn't have a dick. He married her and brought her back to New York, she started to soak in the local culture and made friends with the locals, in the course of 3 months her attitude made a 180 degree turnaround from sweetheart to golddigger mercenary(the type of American women most guys here complain about). A few months later, when her Green Card was approved she dumped him like a bad habit and took away half of what he owned in a divorce. To add salt to his wounds, she wound up with a colleague of his in the financial services industry who was a lot more successful than he was. So the moral of the story is, that you might be a Don Juan in Rio, but you'll be a CHUMP in New York, or Los Angeles, or Chicago, or Boston, or Dallas(this list goes on and on).

Sinanju Master
04-18-04, 16:22
CBGBConnisur,

Choke off the source of said dilemma (DON'T move back to the US) and more than likely the problem would be solved. I can see your friend's wife as someone coming to another environment and being indoctrinated by the locals. If he lived in Rio, he and she would know that there are LOTS of honeys that can replace her at the drop of a dime. She would then be LESS inclined to adopt her American mannerisms.

Just my take on the situation....

Sporadic
04-18-04, 16:54
CBGB,

Sad stories like that one are all too common.

I agree with you that it is not the fault of the ladies per se. The slobbering packs of men who fall all over themselves over problematic women are probaly more to blame, along with "American society" than anything else.

As I mentioned in a previous post, it is the old world values thing.
Now, IMHO the only thing more aggressive than a native (all apologies to real native Americans) would be the transplanted foreign girl. She has had an eye opening experience, with a certain pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

This is certainly nothing new, if you want your "sweet, traditional" girl to remain so, do not bring her out of her cultural homeland, move there!

Cheers,

Sporadic

Wanderer1000
04-19-04, 01:01
The important lesson to remember is that a foreign woman has the attractive qualities we American men desire because her culture largely created them and maintains them.

My hunch is that the average foreign bride is as likely to do a Jekyl and Hyde turn on a guy (probably a little more gradual) as is an American woman after she marries you.

It's just too risky to get married in America and live here with a woman. The odds are against a guy in our culture - period.

Iceberg Slim
04-19-04, 06:32
Just to bring another perspective. I lived in Europe for many years and married a European woman. She moved to the States with me. She still cook me ethnic meals from my old country, cleans the house and wash my clothes. She is slim, look after herself and goes jogging everyday. I would have never expected the same treatment from an American woman (I mean white woman).

The original culture and education of the woman play a part. The women in America are less educated in a more general sense even though they may have been to college or university. Also there is no social safety net like in Europe. It makes women more materialistic and marriage give them among other financial safety. I know many couples in Europes who live together and even have kids but are not married.

Just my two cents...

Smut Villain
04-19-04, 15:03
CBGB & Sporadic,

I've also heard WAY TOO MANY "War Stories" like this. It's little wonder why some guys just say "fuck it" and become expatriates in the country of their choice.

I'm seriously thinking of doing the same by moving back to Mexico: I'm already familiar with the culture, and I speak the language (fluently).

It's obvious that there's something in the (American) culture that's turning women into Olympian ball-busting gold diggers, regardless of said woman's cultural/national origin. In the military you see it all the time with Asian spouses (ask any Sailor/Airman about his Fillipino/Korean ex-wife; the stories will all sound the same).

Oh well, nothing like voting with your feet.

Cash Works
04-20-04, 22:26
Smut,

I agree with you about a problem with the American culture. The example that follows doesn't exactly follow what you mentioned, but I think it stems from the same flaw - our perception that we can become anything we want because we're Americans and we live in the land of the free. So, everybody wants to be rich, unfortunately, few achieve it (wealth is a relative thing & few people who have it feel that they have enough).

One year in the early '80's, from mid summer through mid December, I was working in East Texas. I travelled a lot with my job, but when I was on break from work (usually worked 2-3 weeks on and one week off), I was shacking up with a woman who lived in the projects in this small East Texas town where my company's office was located. She had a job, but it was low paying & she had two kids, so the projects was where she lived. While she was at work, I would usually hang out at her apartment & meet the neighbors - I was something of a couriosity, since I was the only white guy in the neighborhood. Anyway, these folks, weren't wealthy by any standard, but they had a roof over their heads, heating in the winter, AC in the summer, food on the table, most had a car to drive, they all had TV's and Stereos and most had at least a little cash in their pockets - and they were all MISERABLE, because they knew they were "poor in America". They had lost the American Dream, lost their hope of ever becoming what they wanted to become, which, in most cases was "rich".

In the mid '80's I was living and working in Brasil. I'm not going to regale you with tales of life in the flavellas (I avoided those places like the plague, which may or may not be present there), but I will tell you about a little fishing village. This village was near Canoa Quebrada (beach town near Fortaleza). About half a dozen guys that worked on my crew were from this little village & they invited me to visit one time while I was on break from work. I took them up on the offer and spent the weekend with them. They lived in mud huts, had no electricity, no indoor plumbing, I think there were maybe two motorized vehicles in the village (one was a motorcycle), no readily accessible health care, no access to schools, in short, they were living in a very primitive environment. Yet, they were all, for the most part, Happy. Certainly more-so than the folks in the East Texas Projects.

My conclusion is that the Brasillians never had "the American Dream", so they never lost it. They still had hope though. They also had an amazing work ethic, yet they never allowed work to get in the way of having a good time.

CW

Smut Villain
04-21-04, 17:53
Cash, Chorfa1, Jak, Sporadic,

Reading the last few posts, it seems to me that we are all basically saying the same thing. Hell, tonight I'm working on my plan to move out of the U.S. (seriously).

American men just seem to be playing against a stacked deck.

Sinanju Master
04-21-04, 18:06
Smut Villain,

just outta curiosity, where do you plan on settling down? The reason I ask is because I also plan on doing the same thing, but I haven't decided on any one country yet, and the choices I DO have in mind are quite varied (location-wise, but not weather-wise). Panama and Costa Rica are a couple of choices, 'cos I used to live in Panama and Costa Rica is right next door. There's also the Philippines, 'cos a good friend of mine has family there (and is considered quite well off in his native country). The Dollar goes quite a ways in all countries mentioned, AND (biggest deal-maker) no American women to poison the minds of the local honeys.

Anybody else have such plans in the making, and if so, what country did you/will you choose?

Smut Villain
04-21-04, 21:59
Sinanju,

There's a bunch of places I'd love to move to (Thailand, Philipines, Australia, et al), but realistically speaking, I think Mexico or anyplace in Central America would be my best bet. I lived in Mexico for a few years, and I'm familiar with the culture (and I speak fluent Spanish). Even living in a border town like Tijuana or Matamoros, there is a noticable difference in the attitudes of the women (as compared to , say, the U.S.)

Plus, it's the easiest place to live as an (effective) expatriate. You can make a salary of (for example) $25,000 working in San Diego, but when you go back home at the end of the day it spends more like $40,000. You can live like a king without going into the poorhouse.

I'd like to move to some of these other places, but there are matters to consider (like, where are you going to work? What about medical care? Drivers' License?). If I could answer each of those questions with ease, then I'd consider the other locales (like Costa Rica, Panama, Thailand, et al)

Sun Devil
04-21-04, 22:11
Have you considered El Paso TX. After my lease and work assignment are up in Phoenix, I plan to move there. It is composed of 80% Hispanic, so Spanish is pretty much heard all over the place. Plus, I have noticed that the American women of all ethnic groups there, due to the Hispanic culture, are easier to deal with than the mostly Midwestern-raised women here in Arizona.

Also, since I work in healthcare, finding a job is very easy. The pay is comparative to the one I am making in Phoenix, so I won't be losing anything in terms of salary. In fact, I will be earining more since the cost of living in El Paso is one of the cheapest in the US. In addition, it has the same weather as Phoenix, so I won't have to deal with the rain and snow that I abhorred while going to college in the Northeast US.

In addition, Juarez is just a walk/drive across the bridges. It is the 4th largest city in Mexico, so there are things to do there that are similar to stuff we have in the US, such as Wal-Mart, KFC, Wendy's, etc. Plus, I am already familiar with the area, so there won't be any culture shock for me.

Smut Villain
04-22-04, 14:42
Sun Devil,

El Paso, huh? I guess it makes sense. The Southwest is the only place I know of where you can become an expatriate without moving out of the country (LOL). You ever think of living in Juarez (and commuting to El Paso for work)? I did it all the time in Tijuana, and I was able to take advantage of the MUCH LOWER cost of living in Mexico (why more Americans in San Diego didn't try it, I'll never know).

Maybe the same would work in Juarez?

Sun Devil
04-23-04, 01:34
I would consider moving into Juarez. I need to know the legal ramification before doing so, however. Perhaps I'll live in El Paso for about 6 months and move to Juarez or stay in El Paso altogether, although El Paso is way boring compared to Juarez, which has an open city market, dance clubs, bullring, and street activities. It seems that the people in Mexico tend to interact among each other outside the home more than in the US, especially in Phoenix where, due to the heat, people tend to stay indoors more often.

I do know that a lot of Mexicans, who had the abillity to get the required paperwork done, living in Juarez do work in El Paso, so I know that it can be done. That is one metro area that has blurred the concept of an international boundary between the US and Mexico.

Don't know the reason why more Californians don't move to Tijuana and work in San Diego. I used to fly from Phoenix to San Diego's airport, ride the commuter bus and train to San Ysidro, cross the border and fly from Tijuana's airport when I had a Mexican girlfriend living in Durango, Mexico, since it was cheaper for me to do it that way. Perhaps they are not fluent in Spanish or just scared shitless with regards to any dealings with the Mexican population.

PurpleNGold
04-23-04, 08:07
More Americans don't do it because, moving to TJ and commuting to SD every day would be a nightmare. There are frequently 1.5 to 2 hour border crossings, not to mention the traffic getting from south San Diego up into north San Diego, Escondido, etc. The COL savings is just not worth the 4 to 5 hours a day that would be lost to commutting.

Oh, and, there's always the, TJ is a cesspool (only good for mongering) argument as well :)

Smut Villain
04-23-04, 15:32
PurpleNGold,

You points are well-taken, and I can vouch for their validity (everything you've said is something I've run into down there at one time or another).

BUT...

1) The border crossing isn't that bad if you know how/when/where to do it. When driving, I always used the Otay Mesa Crossing, which is near the San Ysidro gates. That can cut your wait to about half the time. And you can walk across the San Ysidro border faster than most people can drive across; the San Diego trolley system on the other side is a surprisingly effective means of transportation to/from work.

2) Yes, indeed, Tijuana definitely has a world-class reputation for being a cesspool of iniquity (and I do mean WORLD-CLASS). But you'll find that the smut only extends as far as downtown - you know, where the tourists (aka easy marks) like to hang out. But if you move as little as 3 blocks from that border area you'd find that the "TJ" becomes a completely different city: people are nicer, the cops are less corrupt, and the town isn't as dirty. And I've seen more babes there than you can shake a stick at. You shouldn't even have to pay for it outside of "Zona Norte" (downtown) as these girls are MUCH easier to deal with.

As with a lot of foreign locales, you'll find that there's more than meets the eye if you dig a little deeper. But maybe I don't want the rest of the world to know that; this other side of Tijuana was a well-kept secret among my fellow expatriates down there. If it became more "Americanized" it would just ruin everything anyway (more local women for us!).

Sinanju Master
04-23-04, 20:49
Smut Villain,

Too Late! A-hahahahaha! I had never even CONSIDERED Mexico (TJ or Juarez), but the two of you brought to light some very valid (and alluring) points that I never thought of. I should take Spanish again and make plans. If you're in a bar South of the Border and you see a black guy whose shaven head resembles the helmet of the Juggernaut (for you X-Men fans) kicking back with a cerveza and a chica, raise your bottle in a silent toast!

PurpleNGold
04-23-04, 21:00
Smut Villain,

I've never bothered visiting TJ anywhere but the zona and the college bars, so I'll take your word for the southern part (and maybe spend a month of vacation there to take advantage of any freebies to be had).

Still, I can't imagine having to commute from there. Even half of a 2 hour border crossing is horrible, and the trolley was never meant as a serious commuter alternative: just a tourist vehicle. Seems to me like it amounts to moving to some shithole like Temecula (condolences to those who have to live there). You'd save a little bit of money, but you'd waste a disproportionate amount of time getting back to real life.

Now, if I could get a remote job, moving to Mexico would be great.

Question, if you live in TJ and commute into the states each day, do you still get your Fed tax returned at the end of the year (assuming you meet the 35 day limit)?

Dickhead
04-23-04, 22:03
The answer to the tax question is NO. You have to be out of the country ALL DAY for 330 out of 365 days (even time spent over international waters does not count). Sorry about that.

However, those who are fluent in Spanish and thinking about expatriating should consider other Spanish speaking countries. México is no longer all that cheap and even though I love the country, and even though the most beautiful Méxicanas are among the most beautiful women in the world, the average Méjicana cannot compare to the average Tica, Colombiana, or Argentina. Also they tend to get fat.

Richard Head, CPA

Cash Works
04-25-04, 18:14
Dickhead's right about the tax exemption. The 330 day option is called something like "personal presence". I worked out of the USA for 18 years, but only managed to get two years tax free due to meetings or courses that I had to attend inside the US.

If I had actually been a resident of some other country, I probably would have been able to avoid US taxes altogether. Foreign residency allows for a more generous time allotment within the US. The problem with this though, is that it is very difficult for a single man to prove foreign residence to the IRS. Just paying rent on an apartment isn't sufficient. By the IRS rules, you basically have to be married with children who live in the country you are claiming as your residence. They are essentially your "tax hostages".

The Tax exemption has a limit $60K or $80K (this may have changed. 20 years ago I think it was $80K, then it went to $60K, then I think it went back to $80K). Anything above the limit is taxed. I never had to worry about going over the limit, so I never paid too much attention to it.

VERY IMPORTANT: Even if you qualify for the "personal presence" exemption by being outside the country for 330 days, YOU MUST FILE your tax return. I know half a dozen people who got burned a few years ago because they thought that being exempt meant they didn't have to file. The IRS caught one guy based on a tip from the taxing authority in his country of residence, then came after all the expats working for his company. In short, if you don't file and the IRS catches you, you lose your tax exempt status and have to pay penalties, interest as well as the tax (even though you qualified as exempt). Statute of limitation is 7 years I think, because everyone I talked to that got busted had to pay up to 7 years worth of taxes, penalties and interest (in some cases, enough to buy a house), even though some of these guys hadn't filed in 15 or 20 years.

CW

Dickhead
04-26-04, 10:40
It's called physical presence, not personal presence, and the maximum exclusion is indeed $80k. A few other things to know if you are thinking about doing this: The 330 days do not have to be in the same calendar year and you can chose the 330 day period that minimizes your tax liability (because the exemption is pro-rated). "Foreign earned income" means the work was performed out of the country, so it doesn't matter if it is a US employer or a foreign employer. Self-employment income does qualify (although you'd usually be violating the host country's immigration laws if you had self-employment without establishing residency). However, if you work for the US government, that does NOT qualify as foreign earned income for whatever reason. Investment income or other unearned income such as gambling winnings cannot be excluded. Also you don't have to be working the whole time you are out of the country.

As an example, I left the US on Jan 7. That day doesn't count as one of my 330 days. I landed in Europe on Jan. 8 after an overnight flight, so that day doesn't count either since I was over international airspace at midnight. So my 330 days starts Jan. 9, the first day I was considered to be out of the country the entire day. I will only be working until the end of May and will start working again in mid-August. All the work will be performed in one or more foreign countries. So, I'd need to stay out of the country until the 339th day, meaning I couldn't leave to fly back to the states until Dec. 5th.

But, I'll be in the US for 5 days in May and it's another overnight flight to leave the country so that costs me 6 days (it's not an overnight flight going back to the US but I am counting the day of flight as one of the 5 days I'll be in the US for at least part of the day, as is required). Therefore, I can't leave to fly back to the states until Dec. 11th. However, since I will be working through the end of December, the part of my salary that covers Dec. 11th through December 31st can't be excluded since the work would be performed in the US.

This topic is covered in IRS Publication 555.

Smut Villain
04-26-04, 15:09
"Seems to me like it amounts to moving to some shithole like Temecula (condolences to those who have to live there)."

Damn, dude, that's pretty cold (ROFLMAO). BTW, You're right
about the trolley being mostly a tourist vehicle, but it seems
to work pretty well as a way into town, at least for me it did!


"...the average Méjicana cannot compare to the average Tica, Colombiana, or Argentina. "

D.H., If I could get down that way (and still enjoy my U.S.
paycheck), I'd do it, believe me!
All I would need is an overseas position with a company.
You know of any openings :D ?



"If you're in a bar South of the Border and you see a black guy whose shaven head resembles the helmet of the Juggernaut (for you X-Men fans) kicking back with a cerveza and a chica, raise your bottle in a silent toast!"

S.M., how about I just buy you a beer instead :) ?

Dickhead
04-26-04, 16:52
"D.H., If I could get down that way (and still enjoy my U.S.
paycheck), I'd do it, believe me!"

Well, as of August 16th I will be working for a US company, doing my job over the internet from Buenos Aires or wherever else I happen to be mongering, and getting paid in US dollars, so it can be done. Unfortunately the job will require me to work at least 10 hours a week, 6 months out of the year to earn enough to live on so I don't imagine I'll be able to monger more than two or three times a day or so. Sure am going to miss those American women, though. Or not.

CBGBConnisur
04-26-04, 18:56
That's the big catch 22, if you meet a beauty abroad who is an absolute princess, she might become someone else the moment you bring her back to States. Especially considering the rabid feminist culture of North America, the chances of this happening are very high. So pretty much whatever magic that happened abroad stays there. Though guys in other Western countries have it better, I knew this 60 year old German plumber and he had a 25 year old gorgeous Czech wife, if she divorces him she loses her residence permit, so she can't pull a fast one on him and ditch him. In the US, a green card can't be voided upon a divorce, so that is why so many mail order brides ditch their husbands as soon as their green card is ready, they also tend to take a good chunk of their husband's incomes away in divorce court. Australia has a Eros visa system, where a guy can have a girfriend kicked out of the country if their relationship lapses.

Smut Villain
04-26-04, 19:12
"That's the big catch 22, if you meet a beauty abroad who is an absolute princess, she might become someone else the moment you bring her back to States. "

CBGB, that's the EXACT reason I want to become an expatriate (again)! Like I said before, there's something in the American culture that causes these women to turn on you, regardless of where they came from.

In the U.S., the game is pretty much rigged: even if you win, you lose!

Dickhead
04-26-04, 19:17
Note that CBGB's German plumber is screwed as of Saturday when the Czech Republic becomes one of 10 new countries to join the European Union. Bummer.

CBGBConnisur
04-27-04, 04:19
Actually there is a restriction on citizens of new EU member states with regards to residency and work permits. It's going to be several years before citizens of the new EU states can live and work in other EU states like Germany and the UK. Germany's rules are quite strict even people from other big European countries like France and Italy can only live and work up to 5 years in Germany unless they get married. So this guy still has some leverage, so even when Czechs become EU nationals, she still can't dump him and stay in Germany.

Dickhead
04-27-04, 11:38
I think you'll find the restrictions only apply to working. They may have to leave the country every few months but then they can come right back in if they are EU nationals.

Smut Villain
04-27-04, 14:58
CBGB, Dickhead:

After reading your last few posts, it strikes me as very ironic how most people in this forum and on this site probably take marriage more seriously than the average "Joe". Using myself as an example, I know I wouldn't dive headfirst into something like that considering the implications if Mrs. Right turns out to be Mrs. Wrong (and how holy matrimony tends to crimp our lifestyles).

But just because I take it more seriously doesn't mean I want to do it that much more; in fact , the opposite is true (for me, anyway). I have absolutely no desire to set myself up for custody battles/alimony payments/character assasinations/unrealistic expectations and other things that come with failed marriages.

But then, maybe the uneven playing field in the U.S. just made me more cynical ;)

Dickhead
04-27-04, 17:47
Marriage is an institution, but do you really want to spend the rest of your life in an institution?

Now in Bolivia, they have trial marriage. It lasts a year. If the guy is not satisfied with his "wife," he can kick her out, even if there is a kid involved. If he is satisfied, then there is a second ceremony where everyone throws rocks at them. Really. I guess they figure if you can live through the rocks you can live through the trials and tribulations of marriage.

Of course, the woman doesn't have the same right, but then again the male-female ratio in Bolivia is all screwed up (too few men) so the men are in the driver's seat.

Oh, wait a minute. The men are in the driver's seat in all Latin American countries. 25 days and counting until I am out of England and back in Argentina.

In industrialized countries where women have full equality, marriage is a pointless anachronism. That is my opinion.

Pluto
04-27-04, 18:08
Can one attract american women with money (and bad looks)? Do they generally do anal and bbbjtcws? or are they bitchy and arrogant in bed as well?