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Smut Villain
04-27-04, 22:11
HK Man,
The only way I can accurately answer your question is in two parts.
1. "Can one attract american women with money (and bad
looks)?"
Dude, if you have to ask that question then you have NO IDEA of how materialistic and selfish American women can be. You could look like the Elephant Man, but if you are a millionaire you'll still get laid. I'm not kidding.
2. "Do they generally do anal and bbbjtcws? or are they bitchy
and arrogant in bed as well?"
Few of these women will go the extra mile in bed unless they're hookers. For example, they'll insist on you giving them head, but if you have the audacity to ask for reciprocal treatment they'll get bent out of shape. I'm not kidding about that, either. It's almost as if they're doing you a favor by just being there.
I don't know why you asked, but take it from someone on the front lines (Southeastern U.S.); a lot of these women aren't worth your time, mate. Things are a little better in major metropolitan areas (NYC, Los Angeles, et al), but not by a whole lot.
Smut Villian,
I know USA women are bitchy and very materialistic, especially when compared with Latin America, Australia, Thailand, etc.
I've been all over the USA however, and the SE USA is by far the best place in be in the USA at least in regards to chasing skirts. Cities like Atlanta, New Orleans, Birmingham, are a million times easier hooking up with a goodlooking nonpro, then say Boston, Seattle, Chicago, Phoenix.
The good thing about the SE USA, is the sex ratio is in your favor, and you do run into some good simple country girls, moving to the big city.
I'm living, working, in Portland, OR right now--have not got laid in a month. I would die to go back to Atlanta right now. Consider yourself lucky in be living in the SE USA.
Of course the SE USA is miserable for hooking up with nonpros when you compare it to Argentina. Everything is relative.
Cash Works
04-28-04, 05:16
Marriage is a religious rite. Why is it also a legal institution? Isn't there supposed to be a constitutional separation of Church and State in the USA?
The fact is, if you wind up in a situation where you're living with a woman for an extended period of time, regardless of your marital status and you split up, then the woman winds up with pretty much everything - palimony, alimony - not much difference in my book, you're still paying for something you're no longer getting.
Marriage merely makes some things more convenient (during the time that you're married) - insurance and other benefits you may get from your employer, Legal issues where children are involved, inheritance, etc.
Over the last few months, there was a lot of news about legislation for "civil unions". During this time, I saw a report on what they're doing in France. I don't remember what they called it (pact or pax or something like that) - a legal partnership between the two individuals that sounded like a combination of a marriage and a business partnership. All the legal rights of a married couple (but no churches involved), but set up like a business so if the couple splits, it can be done in less than a week and then they're finished. Apparently more people are going this route than the marriage route in France.
CW
PurpleNGold
04-28-04, 06:59
Originally posted by Smut Villain
You could look like the Elephant Man, but if you are a millionaire you'll still get laid.
You're not kidding, but you're not being complete either. That sentence should read:
You could look like the Elephant Man, but if you are a millionaire you'll still get laid by the most beautiful American women.
Smut Villain
04-28-04, 14:11
New Bound,
I guess you do have a point about the major cities in the southeast U.S., but I've had tremendous success in San Diego, Los Angeles, and San Antonio.
Besides, I live in a mid-sized town (population about 125,000+). Most of the good stuff either got married or moved out of town, and what women are left have turned out to be borderline arrogant and materialistic (being damn near the only game in town) :(
Maybe I'm whining because Mexico and the West Coast (U.S.) have spoiled me rotten, but I've seen evidence that it doesn't HAVE to be this way.
Smut Villain
04-28-04, 16:58
CBGB,
When I said I was working toward being an expatriate I thought I had knew which country I wanted. You're not making this any easier with reports like that :).
PurpleNGold
04-28-04, 17:34
Maybe we should establish a "Wannabe Expat Support" thread in which current expats could provide us wannabe's with tips on how to find work in various countries other than the United States of Dictator Bush
P & G, Smut V,
You could look like the Elephant Man, but if you are a millionaire you'll still get laid by the most beautiful American women.
Every heard the old saw, "A handsome, poor man is a handsome man, but an ugly, rich man is a rich man."
Riding up front on international flights you can get a look at what the "other half" pokes, usually very impressive.
It is not just American women with this particular weakness, money and power attract. The fact is that you can really impress a third worlder with a 80k salary, try it in NY sometime.
Cheers,
Sporadic
Smut Villain
04-28-04, 20:41
Quote by Cash Works:
"... All the legal rights of a married couple (but no churches involved), but set up like a business so if the couple splits, it can be done in less than a week and then they're finished. Apparently more people are going this route than the marriage route in France."
I wonder how many women would bother getting married in the USA if we went that route? Imagine all the gold-diggers knowing they wouldn't be able to cash in?
Anna Nicole Smith probably wouldn't have married that rich old fart (LOL).
BTW, I kinda like PurpleNGolds' idea of a wannabe expat forum. Who knows, it could start a trend?
You can really impress women in Latin America without even telling them your salary, and it damn sure doesn't have to be 80k. Just being able to take a cab and not a bus and eat in a sit-down restaurant will make you "rich." Trust me.
CBGBConnisur
04-29-04, 02:12
One thing guys, just because its easier to get laid places like Australia, it doesn't neccesarily mean these places are utopia. As long as you can deal with other difficulties, and you think your sex life is of paramount importance, then moving to some more sexually liberated country makes more sense.
Dickhead,
I appreciate what you are saying, it all depends on the economic context.
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is King.
It is not just other countries, but other neighborhoods; to a trailer queen 35k is well-to-do.
Cheers,
Sporadic
Smut Villain
04-29-04, 14:56
CBGB,
I agree with you 100%, but my decision to become an expatriate isn't really fueled by my libido (okay, maybe a little :) ). You see, one day I'd like to settle down with a nice little "chica" (or a "Shiela", as the case may be), but when it comes to dating, men in the U.S. are playing a game that's basically been rigged. It's a little less daunting to find Mrs. Right when you're not being made to jump through hoops or kiss ass with droll "goddess worship"; on the average, dating/marriage in the U.S. is pretty much a high-risk/low yield investment.
As far as my sex life is concerned: I imagine one day I'll probably be too old to chase skirts (I can't believe I said that!), but I'd like to still have a life partner who won't suck the life out of me (except in bed ;) ).
Until then, I guess I'm guilty of wanting to take the path of least resistance.
Cash Works
04-29-04, 18:17
Smut,
I have to disagree slightly. I'm pretty sure that Anna Nicole Smith was counting on the old fart keeling over so she could inherit all his money - that way, she gets it all instead of just a portion of it. I don't think she counted on his kids contesting the will though.
Also, I have to say that the women don't always get everything in a divorce. I have a non-mongering friend who's wife apparently got fed up with him and the town they lived in. She filed for divorce stating that he had been fooling around on the side. She was unable to prove it, probably because he wasn't doing anything, and she wound up getting nothing in the divorce settlement. He kept both of their houses, the bank accounts and investments. She took custody of one of their kids (the other was college age), so he pays child support, not because the courts tell him to, but because it's his kid and he wants his kid to take care of him.
This may only be true in North Carolina, but I remember 20 odd years ago, when I was in college, I had a neighbor who lost just about everything in a divorce settlement (he was middle aged and living in a roach infested apartment complex that was mostly populated by students). Anyway, he was broke all the time because of Alimony payments, then one day he asked me to help him move some stuff out of his ex-wifes house - seems there was a legislation change that allowed him to no longer pay alimony - they had no kids so he wasn't paying her anything at that point, she didn't have a job and couldn't afford the mortgage on their old house so she sold him some of the furniture (family heirloom stuff that he inherited, but she wound up with after the divorce) and was selling the house. I've mentioned this to some other people around here, but don't know what the deal is - some say you still have to pay alimony in NC, others say you don't. I suppose it may be a case by case basis.
CW
Smut Villain
04-30-04, 17:46
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Quote by Cash Works:
"... I'm pretty sure that Anna Nicole Smith was counting on the old fart keeling over so she could inherit all his money ..."
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Okay, I stand corrected. But I'm sure you saw where I was going with my logic. Besides, this particular example just illustrates how Western women can sometimes be. I know it's natural for a female to gravitate toward a mate who proves himself to be a good provider (it's a biological impulse, after all, so you can't really fault them for it), but IMHO this is not the same as being a golddigger: a golddigger (to me) isn't necessarily looking for a "provider" - she's just looking to hit the "jackpot" by scheming on someone else's fortune. After she's attained her goal she has no use for the dude and divorces/kills/wait for the guy to pass away.
I'm getting a clear picture here about American Women and all others. They are not that much different after all according to the some post I read here. If a man makes 80K a year in NY city, he would be considered not worthy of being fucked by a American women living there, because he doesn't have any money.
If the same Gentleman took his 80K to a 3rd world country, he would be considered rich, and those money grubbing women would be begging to suck his dick, because he would be considered rich: and they would ignore the poor sap making $10 to $50 dollars a day.
Now how are the women any different except for lower standards in regards to money.
Goddam American women! Did you see them laughing at the IRAQ prisoners of war dicks' in the newpaper or internet?
I'm moving to Australia where the women there won't laugh at my dick. How shameful!
Pokey,
I would take issue with the "American Women" generalization and the atrocities commited on Iraqi prisoners of war.
War crimes have nothing to do with cultural money-grubbing. Persons in authority who abuse that position, by humiliating people under their charge are disgusting criminals, and should be dealt with as such.
Atrocities in wartime (or even psuedo-wartime) happen. Panning these off on a particular "flavor" or nationality is not helpful, IMHO.
Cheers,
Sporadic
Anybody See Donald Trump is getting married to his Slovenian model girlfriend? All in the NY papers. Put a 2 million $ rock on her hand. They met at Fashion Week 5 years ago and he flew her to Palm Beach on his private jet on their second date. She says she was broke with no modeling gigs when she "met" him. See the implications of this? I was there too 5 years ago as i work in the area and I don't think I got the time of the day from anybody.
Cash Works
05-02-04, 19:15
Smut,
I'm pretty sure we're on the same wavelength when it comes to gold diggers.
I was having a conversation this weekend that reminded me of some non-American friends of mine. I seem to recall reading past posts the laud the virtues of Scandinavian women - well, guys, don't hold your breath there. I know two guys who are both Danish and got cleaned out completely by their wives. Both of these guys started working offshore on ships when they were in their early to mid teens (one was 14, the other 15) as apprentice motormen or something like that. They spent the next 40 - 50 years working on ships for 6-8 months per year. Both of these guys married in their late twenties and when they reached retirement age (early 60's) and quit working away from home, their wives (of 30+ years) decided they didn't like having their husbands around all the time so they divorced them and wound up getting most of what they had earned over the preceeding 40 odd years. In short, they both had to go back to work (at 60+ years of age) doing the only thing they knew how to do, maintain ships engines, because they were destitute, thanks to their lovely Scandanavian ex-wives.
So, the gold-digging is definitely not restricted to American women or Americanized women. I would hazard a guess though that most of the posters in this thread of the forum just have more experience with American women than any other variety.
CW
Smut Villain
05-03-04, 14:22
Pokey,
I want to clarify a couple of things you said:
(1) No, not all American women are like this, but a disturbingly high number of them can be! The problem is that sooo many of them are cut from the same manipulative mold.
(2) The foriegn women are mostly an alternative for Western men, IMHO. I do agree that an American salary can be a big draw for them, but that still doesn't explain why they don't play the same head games as do Western women. In fact, they often don't become such manipulators until they spend some time in a place like the U.S. or U.K.
No, the concept of lower income standards seems to be only half the story, at least in my experience.
CBGBConnisur
05-03-04, 15:25
Mike, of course you're not going to get the time of day from anybody in New York. Women who come to New York usually have one thing on their mind, money. That's why the Donald got the attention of that model. When I was New York, I used to meet a lot of women from Europe and South America, they were all good looking and they were all a bunch of golddiggers. Most of them were blatant about it, this one woman from the Netherlands asked me straight up how much money I make a year and how much I had in the bank a few years back. It was funny because when I spent some time in Amsterdam, I met a lot of local women on the same level of beauty as her and none of them asked me those kinds of questions, and they were nowhere near as materialistic and demanding as she was. The point is that environment can have a lot to do with a woman's behavior and attitude, it also affects a man too. So in essence that is why New York is a lousy place to meet an ideal woman because the city is a very fast paced environment where a lot of money is changing hands. So, essentially you need to have a lot of money to get good dates regardless of your physical appearance and mental disposition. Even if you look like Brad Pitt, without a good source of income, dating in New York is tough.
Smut Villain
05-03-04, 17:02
CBGB,
I was trying to tell Pokey the same thing, but your post said it 1,000,000 times better than I could have!
CBGB,
I Work in Midtown Manhattan and used to be in The Fashion District. Know alot of chicks here that would rather work 16 hour days and turn 30 40 with nobody because no man fits their idea of the perfect guy. Now, to be their ideal man in NYC you gotta be a Yankees player, music industry type, corporate attorney, Bway actor, etc, etc, you know, fling alot of cash so the chick feels like she's the star of a Sex In the City episode. You are talking like a couple of hundred a nite here. They expect this, it is their norm. I know I been there.
I usually keep it real by checking chicks that work in Mcdonalds, the local cafe/deli, Macy's perfume/cologne counter, and the cleaning people in office buildings. Alot of these girls are rite off the plane from Peru, India, China, Guyana, The DR, and Albania. Really nice and sweet too. They appreciate a nice gentlemen and you can really score big in these situations. I like these scenarios since I can be recognized on my own merits and not my duckets. Here in NYC you need game to get by or you're assed out.
Sinanju Master
05-07-04, 00:04
Mike12,
I hear ya. Your observations sound like the chick example I gave a few posts ago. What gets me scratching my head is when their "currency" becomes "devalued" and they can no longer even THINK of ensnaring such types. They then become bitter and blame others for their lack of flexibility. You hit the nail on the head regarding whom a monger should target. A plain chick (ATTRACTIVE, mind you, but plain in attitude, meaning that she's not of the type that thinks that her "goonya" is made of gold) who is practical-minded stands to make out MUCH better than these tunnel-visioned gold-digging cunts. I actually had a financial epiphany today. Generally, American women are like a bad investent: the RETURN on investment is inversely proportionate to the investment put into her.
I was listening to the national radio host Tom Leykis and he tells it like it IS regarding American women. In fact, he pretty much labeled them as manipulative b****es who fall far short of their overseas counterparts.
Travis Bickle 2
05-07-04, 03:55
CBGB, So once you got focused and determined, how did you do it? If you don't want to tell us, then just say so. BTW, you'd make a great polititican.
Daddy Lows
05-07-04, 10:28
This being a forum on women and how men relate with them, I think this fits in here. I was at the Getty Museum here in LA, California area last weekend and saw lots of POA. That's pieces of art. Heh. They were walking, talking, having fun, and some were bored. After staring at the walls a couple of times (my family was with me), I ditched them and spent the rest of the day looking and evaluating the women there. That's when I saw this painting and it kind of got to me.
Peace
Daddy Lows
05-07-04, 10:37
The accompanying information for said picture in last post. BTW, in all fairness, men are as bad as women. We all want what we don't have and if it's within reach, we scramble for it. On the other hand, American women [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off every day. I think it starts with the whole idea of growing up hoping to meet the "one man" of her dreams and having the cookie-cutter life. You want to blame any one thing, I'd put it squarely on the perceived notion of social status, i.e. how much money (power is interchangeable here) has one got. That and little girls playing with Barbies.
Peace
Sinanju Master,
Good observation about the ROI concept. It's a damn shame it has to be like that alot of times. What irks me is you can't expect to get anywhere with some of these chicks by being yourself and doing the right thing. You have to play the role with a flashy car, be superficial and act like you are cool in an MTV defined kind of way.
I have been pondering what it is in the culture here that causes the women to play games and bug out the way they do. I had chicks that were from El Salvador, Honduras, DR and Asia flake out on me and I thought about what the hell happened there. Then I realized the common thread of them all being here longer than 2, 3 years. I'm just trying to define exactly what in the U.S. turns these girls into gameplaying beyotches at the drop of a dime.
Just some things to think about I guess.
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I have done two different things in order to be able to expatriate myself. #1, I got a job with an American company working overseas. #2, I got a job I could do over the internet from anywhere in the world. So, I don't have to fuck with any residency issues. Only problem is, I don't like job #1's location and #2 doesn't pay all that much. But #1 says they are going to send me somewhere else pretty soon. If I don't like where they are going to send me, I will then quit and make do with #2.
It's not that hard. Use the "Nike Method"; just do it!
Smut Villain
05-07-04, 15:40
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Quote by Cash Works:
"So, the gold-digging is definitely not restricted to American women or Americanized women."
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True again, CW; but when I say "American" women, I'm really talking about "Westernized" women in general. Hell, guys in England, for example, see the same problems we do (I know - I've been there). In all fairness, though, I should probably start using the term "Western" in lieu of "American" :).
I feel for those Scandinavian dudes in your example, though. I used to be in the Navy and I've heard - and SEEN- situations like this all the damn time! It makes you wonder why the fuck anyone would get married (in Western societies), knowing from the start that wedlock is a one-sided deal.
Sinanju Master
05-08-04, 00:32
Mike12,
Again you hit the nail on the head. I remember when I was much younger, I thought that the greatest thing in the world would be to get married. (OK, guys, I know that comment drew a loud gasp from my brethren, especially those of you who know me as the Great "Ameri-basher" where females are concerned! Heh heh heh... Ameri-basher.... I like that. anyway, I hope that comment doesn't cause any of you to throw custard pies at me Three Stooges-style!) It was after I caught wind of this website and saw that the number of guys who are fed up with the BS of "WESTERNIZED" women are LEGION that I said to myself: "Hey, why would I wanna enter into a situation where I shell out a prince's ransom for a rock that I'll never own, WILLINGLY commit to a situation where I will metephorically SLAVE AWAY for the rest of my life while she would be allowed to sit on her ass (which would probably grow very large from a lack of exercise or meaningful work), be subject to the whims of a one-women pussy cartel, AND agree to give her HALF of all my worldly possessions and wealth, while the courts nod in agreement with a blank-eyed stare"? FUCK NO! If my investigative work determines that said chick has no integrity and wants to dig for gold, she's down the toilet qucker than a fresh stool sample!
(waiting for the barrage of custard pies...)
Smut Villain
05-08-04, 15:42
Sinanju Master, Mike12, Cash Works, et al,
I've been wondering... with immigration, the internet, WTO, and other things going on in the 21st century, the world has gotten a lot smaller. You guys think that makes it easier for Western guys (such as ourselves) to see all the other options out there, and that Western women behave quite differently from their global counterparts? I know I would not have had these feelings of general disillusionment had I not practically traveled halfway around the world (thanks to my previous occupation); those travels showed me (up close and personally) that things with women don't have to be like this. I think every man should visit an "old-world" country at least once in his life, as it is quite the eye-opening experience (at least it was for me).
But enough about me; what do you guys think?
P.S. Sinanju, this isn't the ONLY website where Western men have vented about the lopsided dating scene; if you look further, you'll find that dudes are waking the fuck up all over the place and coming to pretty much the same conclusions.
Sinanju Master,
Would love to get married if I could find the right chick without all the nonsense that goes with it. Tell my married friends they don't know the half about being single. Too many games to play and money to be spent on someone that don't appreciate it. Not to mention you don't know the chicks pedigree. Have seen married men get more play then single guys anyway. Women love married men.
At the convenience store near my house there is a pretty married indian lady I always chat up. New to the country. She likes that we talk about Indian food and her culture. Brings cooked food for me. Asked her if she had any sisters and she said I should go to India to meet Indian girls. Said they all like to make their husbands happy and cook for them. My point being is that I have alot of respect for her and would love to get a real women like her.
By the way, Sinanju is a small seaside village in N. Korea, you must know Chiun then!
cbgb,
had the pleasure of escorting a scores stripper around town the other day. doing a favor for a friend. she is from another city. 22 years old, smokes like a chimney, tried to puff some weed in my car from the airport, feet all up on my dashboard, drinking like a fish. wanted to take stay in $500 a nite hotel suites for 4 nites because that's where britany spears stays at. told her to go to the china club, cbgb's, speed, etc etc. was getting the feeling she thought maybe she was doing me a favor by letting me pick her up and drive her around nyc like a chaperone. nice enough girl, just total turn off with the materialistic attitude and bad habits.
Cash Works
05-09-04, 14:26
smut,
i'm not entirely sure what your question is. if you're asking if i agree that americans should travel abroad i would have to say "hell yes". i had friends in college who were born and raised here in north carolina and had only been out of the state on one or two occasions. others who were a bit more "worldly" had made it as far as canada, mexico (either a border town for a couple hours or one of the resorts like cancun or cozumel) or if they were extremely well travelled, they had actually made it as far as western europe - once.
years ago, i was at the american consulate in lagos, nigeria to get some extra pages put in my passport. there was a group of highschool girls there for some reason, one was going on about all her travels (this was her second trip out of the us which apparently gave her status over the other tarts, most of whom had never left wherever they were from - great first trip - "welcome to nigeria, what do you have for me?"). when she was catching her breath, another girl asked what i was doing there i tossed my passport to her and said i needed more pages. the status chicks jaw dropped as they looked at all the stamps. if they weren't all ****d and highly chaperoned, i'm pretty sure i could have had my way with the lot.
with all this first hand knowledge of other cultures (actually, lack of knowledge), these people are somehow able to form opinions about the rest of the world and in some cases help make decisions about how our country deals with the rest of the world. it never ceases to amaze me how ignorant my learned neighbors can be.
i firmly believe that americans should get out of north america on a regular basis and actually see the world as it really is, not as it is portrayed by the network news. whether people travel for sex or for general educational purposes doesn't really make a difference. they just need to go and see the world so they can form their own opinions and not have to rely entirely on dan rather or peter jennings.
a brasillian once told me "america is hope, it is how the world might be in the future, europe is educational, it is where we can see the past, the rest of the world is sorrow because it is how it really is in the present". there are some flaws to this statement, but the general idea is that people need to travel, but don't limit yourself to the "tourist destinations".
enough ranting.
cw
Sinanju Master
05-09-04, 22:20
Mike12
The Village may be home, and it's a shitbox, but hey, it has 5,000 years of tradition! Little Father can be a pain in the ass, but he's family!
My first foray out of the country was involuntary. I was 11 years old and my old man was in the military and he was stationed in Panama (as in the Canal). I had the culture shock of my life (One English speaking channel that featured shows that were LITERALLY 20 years old, ONE English speaking radio station, and to make a long story short, no "luxuries" WHATSOEVER when comparing to the States). I didn't know it then, but I would later develop a travel bug that was insatiable, along with a curiosity of other cultures. I eventually traveled to England (5 times), Greece (three times), Belgium, Ireland, Mexico (OK it was in Juarez, so a border town doesn't really count, I guess), Spain, Germany (where I was stationed), and as mentioned before, the Republic of Panama. Maybe it was the "exotic" factor as mentioned in a previous post, but in all the years that I've traveled, I've only run into ONE rude woman outside these shores. Compare that to the lack of manners and mercenary attitude that I observe here in the US EVERY DAY, and you get a picture of my desire to flee these shores, only to return on occasion.
Cash works,
Excellent rant. I could not agree more. IMHO 99.999% of Americans are wonderful people but just a bit myopic and totally ignorant about what the rest of the world is like. It is understandable, you never "need" to leave the US for anything, and the sheer size makes for almost every possible climate/landscape combination you could want to see. We need not explore the issue of geography education in the US but it certainly was pitiful 25 years ago.
Travel (any travel) is an education. It will make you appreciate things about your own country and open your eyes a bit as to how others see the world.
The ladies are just icing on the cake.
Cheers,
Sporadic
Smut Villain
05-10-04, 14:36
Cash Works,
Sorry if my question was a bit "serpentine" in its logic, but the point I was trying to make was that (in the modern century), there are ways for men to find out about other cultures and ways of thinking - not to necessarily experience them (you still have to travel for that), but just finding out that alternative cultures (and women) actually exist out there which may not carry such a mercenary attitude toward males.
Other than that, I find that I agree 100% with your post, and I am glad that I had the chance for extensive travel myself.
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Inner Demon
05-10-04, 20:42
Based on the recent commentaries, I think you guys will enjoy the attached cartoon; I got a kick out of it.
Sinanju Master,
It would be a better world to live in if everyone got some sort of exposure to other people and cultures. Too many Americans only go to Las Vegas, DisneyWorld, or the Grand Canyon, and lately you can't blame them with the terror scares and what not. When I lived in Germany my neighbors traveled to China and Africa in one year on two different vacations!
Here in NYC there are many different races and you can learn alot from them. It comes in handy to speak a little Chinese to the girl at the Chinese restaurant, have knowledge of Colombian cuisine to impress the Colombianas, and know that Dakar is the capitol of Senegal. It really goes a long way to impress the chicks if you know a little about their country. When I leave the state it's hard to believe the one-sided attitude people have in regards to other cultures.
Am watching "Single In the Hamptons" now on WE. These 2 sister / fashion designer / model types are going to an industry party and are talking about how it's really important to meet someone famous to date because that is the "key to it all." They want to go to Monaco and Punta Del Este because it is the #1 spot for the jetset. This other show "To Live and Date in New York" features women with a friend who refuses to settle for anything less than a Yankees ballplayer and will die trying to get one. Another chick plays the innocent role who cant find a man, and believe me this one has a sweet face and a J-LO bootie I would eat off of, and then you find out 4 episodes later that she only accepts men with MBA's.
Stay tuned.
Sad state of affairs for guys living in NYC. But I always recommend to young fellas--TRAVEL-TRAVEL TRAVEL-.Just because you must work in an area with women of bad attitude. Does not mean you must except that, once one realizes other women of the world. He will be capable of ignoring the Bul S$%t of these American women.
I must say that women of the Mid-west and South are not as bad as the women from the West and North (calif. & NYC. ). But nothing compares to women of other lands.
Actually you can really make out good here in NYC with the chicks if you have an open mind and a little bit of game. Alot of the American women that are here (longer than 3 years) forget how to be a female after a while. As a guy, why would you want a chick that can't even give you a decent sincere smile? Or that acts like you are the invisible man. I'm not feelin that, so I will move on to a girl that will do that for me. Most of them are from other countries and new to the US. The smile from the Peruvian girl in Mcdonalds is a thing of beauty. The big culo on the Dominicana gets me motivated! Forget about the assistant to the VP of marketing female who goes to London and chicago all the time with a swelled head. My point is that I am trying to wake up dudes that put up with the bs that there are other ways to succeed with the females besides materialism,drugs, money, being fake, and social status.
CBGBConnisur
05-13-04, 19:11
I don't even deal with New York women nor American women period. All the media hoopla about US women is BULLSHIT, the typical American woman is not Jennifer Aniston and not Cindy Crawford. I have actually seen many everyday Elle McPhersons where I live. Fortunately I am 8000 miles away from New York in a sunny location in the South Pacific. I was at a beach this Sunday and came across this gorgeous 5'10' Australian blonde with a very skimply bikini, you would expect a woman like this to have a boyfriend like Brad Pitt, the dude she was with looked so lame looking, he almost looked like a cross between Gerard Depardiu and Mr. Bean. I have seen regular guys with some cute women here in Oz, bus drivers, waiters, construction workers, even unemployed dudes have girlfriends here.
Smut Villain
05-13-04, 20:04
Mike12,
I feel where you're coming from, and I agree 100% with CBGB. All my friends go crazy over Penelope Cruz, Salma Hayek, Shakira, et al., but where I was living (in Mexico) I would see these on the street damn day! And what was great about it was that an average "Joe" actually had a chance with most of these girls (even if a small chance). Hell, I made out like Don Juan down there!
And, no, you _don't_ have to make $80K a year to do it.
Cash Works
05-17-04, 00:00
Sporadic,
I'm not entirely sure if American Geography education has improved, though I haven't personally investigated recently. I'm basing this on a guy from East Texas I worked with about 10 years ago - He was being transferred from South America to West Africa. At that time, people working in West Africa were handled by the companies London Office. This guy made a comment that was something like this: "I think this is great! 3 dog night said "I've been to Oklahoma, but I've never been to Spain" (or something like that). Well, I've been to Oklahoma & now, I'll have a chance to go to Spain! Spain's part of England isn't it?"
Smut,
It wasn't a bad question, just touched a nerve I guess. I have a number of neighbors who fancy themselves well educated and very worldly. They watch CNN and MSNBC all day long. Sometimes Fox News or one of the Broadcast networks. They believe everything that comes out of the newscasters mouth with dogmatic obedience (did that make sense? another rant). My problem with this is that, while they may not be bad news sources and while they may portray the news from different perspectives (liberal or conservative) they only portray events with an American skew (and when it comes to prostitution, that generally comes out as "modern day slavery", which, in most cases is simply untrue). Recommendations that they actually travel abroad or tune in to the BBC or something that isn't American is generally met with a resounding "NO (I would insert the "F'ing" word here, but they're too well mannered for that) WAY".
This kind of fits with your comment about all the other ways to find out about other cultures, but I have to say that learning about something third hand can't compare to first hand experience.
What's a (middle aged) boy to do?
CW
Here's a typical american women for you gents! See why we have to go to other countries for our pussy?
CBGBConnisur
05-17-04, 04:05
Fatasses are poppin up all over the world but there are still plenty of attractive women outside of North America, the best thing is to hurry up and get one because the invasion of the fatasses is becoming a worldwide phenomenon. Still at least outside of the US pay for play is legal and the authorities don't interfere in this so there is some chance of sexual release into the future.
Smut Villain
05-17-04, 14:31
Cash Works,
Yeah, I forgot about how fucking myopic a lot of Americans can be. Imagine that- an entire country of people with their heads up their asses :( !
You're also right about TV not being nearly the same as being there. I'm glad we got the chance to experience other cultures first-hand :).
Smut:
Yeah, I forgot about how fucking myopic a lot of Americans can beI would suggest that everyone is myopic. It is natural to be focused on local issues and problems, they certainly do it in every country I have ever visited.
The big difference, to me, is that there are many Americans who are not even aware that anything exists outside the borders of ´Murica except in the most abstract, postcard kind of way. Cultural Myopia.
Cheers,
Sporadic
Ps. IMHO, Cranial/rectal inversions are a world-wide affliction, not limited to the lower 48 states.
Smut Villain
05-17-04, 20:48
Sporadic,
Well, yeah, that's kind of what I meant by "myopic" Americans; they have no idea that anything exists outside of our country unless Tom Brokaw, Dan Rather or Wolf Blitzer brings it to their attention.
Even then, they're usually getting only one side of the story.
On the Subject of Myopic Americans
From my observation MTV has a huge influence now on the way people think here in America, especially younger ones. Every female now just wants to have fun a la Brittany Spears, wear goofy hats like Ashton Kutcher, get jiggy like Jay-Z, cop an attitude like Eminem, and just in general make a materialistic ass of themselves. The crowds out in Times Sq by MTV studios are unbelievable . The sheeple mill around on Broadway trying to catch someone famous look outside the window from up high.
There is a hotel in Manhattan where some Japanese or Korean airlines flight crews stay at. To watch 30 lovely Asian chicks in their uniforms get off the bus is a beautiful thing. Anyway, there are some young homeless, hustler, shelter types that hang around the hotel and prey on these girls. All they do is play the rapstar role and these Japanese chicks fall hook lie and sinker for it. All because the image is on MTV nonstop. Some of these dudes just got out of Rikers too and score these broads like this.
Another thing to watch out for lately is this trendy new gay thing among women here. Madonna kissed Brittany so now it's the cool thing for girls to be with girls. When the fad ends they just go back to being straight like Ann Heche and a few other ones who play both sides of the fence. I really don't like the idea of having a girlfriend or wife that may have strapped on a dildo or ate some chocha because MTV portrays it as cool.
CBGBConnisur
05-20-04, 15:44
I actually live in Australia, and the typical Australian guy drinks a lot of beer(These guys DRINK), hangs out with a rowdy bunch, gets into bar fights and plays rugby. A lot of the local women hate this because it is so commonplace among Australian males. So when an American comes into the picture the Aussie women stick to them like bees on honey. It's incredibly easy to flirt with Australian women, when they hear your North American accent, its gets their attention.
Smut Villain
05-20-04, 17:44
CBGB,
Yeah, I feel you on that one. When I did time in the Navy our ship stopped in Melbourne and Cairnes while on deployment. It seemed like the second we stepped on shore, the panties started dropping!
If I didn't have such a weakness for Latinas, I'd make Ozzie my next stop :)!
CBGBConnisur
05-25-04, 04:09
I can say that I have been to every corner of the globe and have sampled the women of each corner, and I have to say for an American women to catch my attention she will have to move mountains. There are so many beautiful, gorgeous, sexy, women outside of the US.
Smut Villain
05-25-04, 14:13
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Amen to that, brother!
CBGBConnisur
05-28-04, 15:50
Another way to look at it is that the US is pussy poor. I've never seen an online forum that has extolled the virtues of American women over the rest of the world. Out of the hundreds of posts here I have never found one saying anything positive about the American female. And often on this board, I have found that American women seem to be some kind of measure of a poor experience with women. Anyway the pattern of American men looking outside of the US for women has been around for decades.
One time I got to see a perfect side by side comparison in Amsterdam, when there was group of Dutch women and a group of American female tourists standing side by side at a trolley stop. The difference was like night and day. I've seen the same in Australia where almost all the ugly women of child bearing age turn out to be either an American or British tourist.
Smut Villain
05-28-04, 16:40
CBGB,
I sometimes like to compare the act of "going abroad for a broad" (get it ? :) ) to the current phenomenom of outsourcing jobs. Companies want to increase profits by decreasing overhead, so they look for cheaper labor elsewhere (i.e. Mexico, India, China, et al). American workers cost more because of minimum wage laws, unions, benefits, etc.
American pussy has the same drawbacks, IMHO. They've raised the price of their pussies, so it only makes sense that those of us who know that other lower-cost options (I'm not necessarily talking money when I say "lower cost") exist would want to explore those options. In this case, Western men are getting a lower return for the investment required of them by Westernized women, so "outsourcing" our wallets/dicks/affections only seems like a logical reaction.
As far as our general disillusionment with Western women is concerned I think we might be singing the same tune.
CBGBConnisur
05-28-04, 18:56
That argument definitely makes sense, since large corporations and wealthy people are looking to cheap labor to get a better return on their investment elsewhere, us as individuals can do the same and look elsewhere for a better value for our hard earned money.
Smut Villain
05-28-04, 21:29
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"That argument definitely makes sense, since large corporations and wealthy people are looking to cheap labor to get a better return on their investment elsewhere, us as individuals can do the same and look elsewhere for a better value for our hard earned money."
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Some of us, such as yourself, are already doing that. And loving every minute of it (as you seem to be).
BTW, when I spoke of "lower costs" in my last post, I wasn't speaking strictly in monetary terms; Westernized women can cost a guy in several other ways (just ask any divorcee). Child custody battles, degradation of self-esteem (in some mens' cases), the pressure of having to meet unrealistic expectations, lopsided expectations in relationships (e.g., she has all the rights and none of the responsibilities); I could go on, but the subject has been examined in this forum ad infinitum.
I guess our point is that when Western women go from being objects of desire to becoming leading sources of stress (at least for me) then it's probably time to look for greener pastures.
Mystic Pimp
05-29-04, 19:44
I think this is the first time I've read this section. Very informative. I saw someone mention the Tom Leykis Show. I have listened to it on and off the past few weeks. It is pretty hilarious. But there is some truth in some of what he preaches. For instance, most American guys are out to get laid (I know I am). With the general prudishness of American women, is it any wonder that American men are going for that international flavor?
The only thing I will say that most of you won't agree with is that looks aren't everything. I think an average looking chick is willing to try harder in the bedroom than a supermodel-like chick. Quality is important.
MP
Sinanju Master
05-29-04, 22:04
Mystic Pimp
I'm the poster who mentioned Tom Leykis and man, listening to him makes me understand what Moses must have felt like when he received the Ten Commandment! LOL
I agree with you ALMOST 100% regarding the concept of the chick who is NOT a supermodel trying harder. HOWEVER Tom said that a chick who is NOT supermodel attractive generally has a better head on her shoulders and is a tougher prospect to lay. On the other side of the coin, a listener called in and said to Tom: "So you're saying that the more a woman looks like a supermodel, the DUMBER she is"? His response was: "BINGO!". I was fucking floored and I almost veered off the highway from laffing so hard!
The ordinary chick has to compensate by developing her inner self and brains and therefore is more wary, while supermodel can be taken in by a flash of cash, or huge cojones on a guy's part. ON THE OTHER HAND, my master (martial arts instructor) said that when he was in college, he sometimes got by by fucking ugly chicks who would pay the rent, etc in exchange for "services rendered". But I digress...
Tom Leykis pretty much advocates, NOT fucking American women because of the lack of satisfactory return on "investment". They don't wanna be construed as sluts and make a guy jump through hoops on the HOPES of MAYBE getting laid. Myself, I'm just tired of the God-damned head games they play and the false indignation they display when they discover you wanna get into their panties.
Mystic Pimp
05-29-04, 22:36
Sinanju Master:
Looks are good, but how women perform in the bedroom determines whether I want it from them more than once or consistently. As far as being looked at as a "****", it seems only the American women involved in alternative lifestyles can deal with the label. Recently I've been looking more to get laid in the US thru other means than the hooker or escort. The "Professor" has movitaved me (in his listener demographic) to try alternative methods to play around without commitment.
MP
Sinanju Master
05-29-04, 22:56
Mystic Pimp
I'll agree that "performance" in the bedroom is a must, BUT what if your other half looks like Roseanne Barr? Myself, I need to strike a balance. The "Alternative Chick" option may seem great, but remember she's an AMERICAN CHICK and may respond negatively if you find things are less than what you consider perfect and you wanna bail. I can't really berate you for that anyway, 'cos I've been thinking of that lately myself.
Getting back to the performance issue: Do you want to be seen in public with a rusted out Ford Pinto body that houses a Ferrari engine, or do you want to be seen with a Ferrari body that contains a Yugo engine?
Mystic Pimp
05-29-04, 23:06
Honestly, if it's just about sex, I'm not out in public with 99.9% of these women anyway. That's a tough question about the cars, but yeah, balance is necessary.
Gentlemen,
While in this thread I have been generally a booster of "foreign" ladies, it is important to remember that not every "American woman" is the ogre we paint here. Having said that, only 5% of the "American women" I have ever been with were worthwhile, but THEY (the five percent) were very worthwhile. There are some positive aspects to that "colonial attitude" ( very liberated in some cases.)
Bar none, the very best BJ with CIM came from an ex-wife; and she was VERY American. The fact that she was a disaster as a human being is secondary.., Ahem.
Just trying to add some balance here; to my own posts if not those of the rest of the members.
Cheers,
Sporadic
Smut Villain
06-01-04, 13:33
Sporadic,
I guess I'm only speaking for myself here, however...
I'm not saying that ALL American women are like this. It's just that I've encountered the aforementioned negative attitudes from these women far more often than with any other culture/nationality (and when I say I've been around the globe, I'm not making that up).
It's why I keep zinging them; it HAS to be something in our culture. Other than that, your point is a valid one.
Ever Ready
06-01-04, 13:43
Sinanju,
It's probably easier to tweak the engine performance in the Ferrari, than to try to improve a knackered body even if it does contain a good engine. At least the looks of the Ferrari will impress your mates more!
ER
Smut,
No offense taken, nor implied in my post. I have found you can find good or bad everywhere you look (and I too, have been around the globe a couple of times.)
If we are talking about generalizations, and I suppose we must, then everything said here is spot on.
Cheers,
Sporadic
CBGBConnisur
06-01-04, 22:24
Still when it comes to American women, often you encounter a lot more bad than good. Sporadic you said it yourself when you mentioned that only 5 percent of the American women you encountered were worth your time, and that is a pitifully low percentage. So basically, you were saying that the vast majoirty of American women suck in a nice scientific method. That means that 95 out of every 100 American women are a waste of a man's time and will give him more stress than pleasure. In other Western countries that I have traveled to at least 50 to 60 percent of the women are indeed worth my time, so you're chancing of finding a fine catch are ten times better. I'm currently in Australia, and I would say at least two thirds, or 66.6 percent, of Australian women of child bearing age are clearly worthwhile, which is a lot better than the pitifully small 5 percent in the US. Two thirds of Australian women are attractive and at least one third are gorgeous, these are the ratios I picked up in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, the Gold Coast, and Perth which are the five largest metros in Australia outside of Canberra. With the percentage of worthwhile American women hovering at only 5 percent, this number is nothing and can't satisfy the needs of the American male population. It is no wonder that the vast majority of posts regarding American women are very negative. What then happens to the remaining 95 percent of American men who can't get that top 5 percent of American women? They basically get a raw deal. I actually got to see that Kill Bill sequel while on business in the USA and there was a joke about American women,"All American women are good only for ordering food in a restaurant and spending a man's money" and the audience, mostly American males reacted with a very loud roar of laughter in agreement with this joke. So if 5 percent of American women are high quality with other 95 percent substandard, it is no wonder there have been so many negative comments about American women on this message board.
Guys, How did we allow American women to become, physically and socially so unattractive?
Why America?
Why to American men put up with it?
Can you imagine a Russian, Chinese, or Brazilian guy walking around with a fat female pig, who not only looks like a slob, but has a terrible attitude to match?
I'm not saying all American women are this way.
I'm actually dating a great miss universe type right now-- and she is American.
Also, different regions of the USA, are worse than others.
Still, the majority of American women do have weight problems and bad attitudes, I just wonder why?
Is is cultural, historical, monetary-- or are American men just idiots for condoning unacceptable behavior?
Smut Villain
06-02-04, 14:51
If you want to see a damned good example of what CBGB and myself are talking about, then head to an American military base sometime (especially one in an isolated area). The females, for the most part, aren't even that attractive; but since they're the "only game in town", the base becomes a fucking petri dish for some nasty female attitudes. The main problem with the guys on base (I know-I used to be one) was that they didn't know about the competition out in town, so they would put up with the shit they were presently getting on base (not realizing other options actually existed).
The very same thing is happening in the States (and the U.K.) but on a much grander scale.
I disagree with CBGB completely: American women are not even good for ordering food in a restaurant, since most of them can't cook and wouldn't know good food from a jack in the ass.
Now Smut Villain is right on time. I just spent 16 sorry weeks living and working on an American military base in the UK. You should see the pigs these guys marry and how fat they get. Oh, wait a minute; no, you shouldn't.
Thank god I am now in Argentina. Viva la patria!
Gentlemen,
If you are going to bring up military base problems, you may consider looking at the huge number of "foreign" brides who are now green-carded, and have dumped the 18 to 23 year old innocent G.I. husband who confused a decent lay with love. You simply cannot dump a kid from North Dakota into the P.I. without them becoming seriously star-struck.
I feel the base example is possibly a poor one; there have been camp followers since the time of the Romans, it, IMHO, has little to do with "American women."
Is it possible that the basically puritanical attitudes (not to mention neo-fundamentalist-super-repressed religious types of every stripe) are the root cause of the American man putting up with the American woman? Indeed made them what they are? It is a lame argument to blame society, but if not there, where?
Just a thought.
Cheers,
Sporadic
BootyLover
06-03-04, 05:31
American women asked to be equal, so treat them as men. I have no manners (chivalry) whatsoever with them. My terderness is for women living out of the US, but i'm rude and mean to american women. I don't need them neither. They will have plenty of time to realize their situation around 55.
Smut Villain
06-03-04, 14:41
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"...I have no manners (chivalry) whatsoever with them. My terderness is for women living out of the US, but i'm rude and mean to american women. I don't need them neither..."
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The ironic thing is that when you do that, American women respond positively to that sort of treatment (not all, but enough to let you know it's more than a coincidence). On the other hand, when you try to do it the right way (manners, chivalry, "just being yourself", etc) they write you off as some sort of pussy.
Go figure.
Smut V:
The ironic thing is that when you do that, American women respond positively to that sort of treatment
Interesting (and spot on!) comment. I am not, by nature, an asshole (there are probably many who may not agree with me...) but being rather rude and demanding does seem to be the best way to deal with A.W.
Kind of sad really, when you think about it, but in my experience, all too true.
Cheers,
Sporadic
Mystic Pimp
06-04-04, 01:43
This is a comment on "fat Americans":
Studies have shown that 65% of adult Americans are overweight. Assuming that the fat is evenly split among the genders, that means more than half of the women out there are fatter than the ideal women that men like. If more men are only going after the hottest women, those women can pick from the litter, basically acting like spoiled bitches because they know most men out there want that.
The last few posts sound like what would be discussed on the Tom Leykis Show. He basically promotes just trying to get laid, and f*ck trying to waste time wining and dining American women. The nice guys out there will take care of those women and probably won't get laid, while the assholes out there will be getting most of the punani.
Smut Villain
06-04-04, 06:11
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"The nice guys out there will take care of those women and probably won't get laid, while the assholes out there will be getting most of the punani"
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Mystic Pimp,
BINGO!!!!! That's exactly what happens with "nice guys". The women will fall for the assholes over and over (and over and...), then run to the nice guy to use as an emotional tampon. Nice guys gives them a shoulder to cry on, buys them dinner- just to watch the little heifer go back to the ams of her jerk.
When she wants money, food emotional support, and other needs taken care of she goes to the "nice guy"; when she wants to be fucked into oblivion, she goes to the asshole. Dating and mating is a "dog-eat-dog" world, and the "nice guy" is wearing "Milk-Bone" underwear.
Does it make sense? Hell, no. But that's just how these women think.
PanamaJack
06-04-04, 08:52
guys,
What about the american women in hawaii? any difference from the women in the mainland, attitude wise, look wise just wondering. I've been told that there more asian girls in hawaii just wondering if they have the same attitude towards men than the women from the mainland.
Smut Villain, that is an excellent term 'Emotional Tampon'! Because you are so right, women fall for the assholes time and time again, then when they get crushed again they go running to the 'safe' guy.
I fail to see the reasoning behind their warped logic, but you are exactly right. Women go to the 'bad boy' to get fucked into oblivion, then run to the 'safe guy' to be taken care of.
Women should take a lesson from us men. If you are a man, well I was going to say that we would fuck anything with two legs and a pussy, but then I caught myself and realized, what the fuck do you actually need the legs for, if it has a pussy, we'll fuck it! lol.
But, what I really don't understand is the women that go back to the man that phyically abuses them. In my opinion, you are no man if you hit a woman. You just don't hit women, period! These women with get the shit beat out of them, then go back for more, all the while protecting that sorry bastard from being found out as an abuser! I really don't understand the logic in that, yet it happens every single day.
"But, what I really don't understand is the women that go back to the man that phyically abuses them."
Fairly early on in my ridiculously lengthy college career, I did a research paper on this topic for a sociology class. I read all the literature, visited battered women's shelters, did interviews, and reflected on my research.
I couldn't figure out shit. "Low self esteem." Yeah, but why go back to a guy who keeps hitting you? WTF??
BTW I agree with you about a man not being a man if he hits a woman, and I love the emotional tampon concept!
Smut Villain
06-04-04, 22:00
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"American women in Hawaii are a seperate sub-category. Most people think of Hawaii as a part of the US only technically, otherwise its almost a different country. Most Hawaiians have a different ethnicity from mainlanders, they are predominantly Asian-Pacific Islanders while most of the American women being complained about on this board are Anglo-Celtic American women."
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While most of what you are saying is quite correct, I think the questioner was actually asking about the general _attitudes_ of the female Hawaiians as opposed to women from the mainland.
BTW, I have to disagree (but only slightly) that we are talking about only Anglo-Celtic types in this forum; give any foreign woman a few years of being steeped in the U.S. materialistic culture and she'll eventually turn out to be every bit as mercenary as her native-born American friends (not always, but it happens too often).
Now you know why I want to go back to being an expatriate.
CBGBConnisur
06-05-04, 04:08
On another note, I have noticed that a lot of Australians that I meet here dream about moving to Los Angeles and New York to meet "upscale and cultured" women with money. These *******es really think the US is full of cultured and upscale women, I think these guys have been smoking some real potent shit. I was at a bus stop and noticed a billboard of Renee Zellwegger who in my opinion is a porker, there were two 20 something blondes standing right next to me as well as some local dudes and the local dudes rather than ogle the two fine pieces of Australian ass that were there in the flesh, stared at the photo of Miss Piggy herself aka Renee Zellweger and said "Renee is gorgeous." What a bunch of retards, they have no idea how good they have it in Oz. I often like to remind space cadets at work about how good they have it in Australia(and if things get tough they can always go to Thailand or Macau to party) regarding females. Some of these dudes are real losers and borderline alcoholics yet they still get some fine pussy. I knew this one Australian dude, who was fat with a gigantic beer gut, and unemployed, he also had a carpet on his back yet he still had a pretty good looking girlfriend. I still have yet to hear about unemployed alcoholics in the US fucking blonde hair blue eyed beauty queens.
Well, I am an unemployed alcoholic fucking blond beauty queens in Argentina, if that counts.
Mike12,
Which hotel for the japanese and korean flight crews?
I'm a big fan of the SW scene. The problem is some of them reek of perfume when they get in the car, (or worse something else). Obviously the worst possible thing that could happen is my SO finding out about my hobby.
I was wondering what any of you guys use to "cleanse" the smell of a potent SW out of your car. Any tips/tricks?
Much appreciated.
CBGBConnisur
06-06-04, 14:39
I have to scratch that part about J. Lo and Ben Affleck. J.Lo just got married to Mark Antony.
J.Lo is simply a high class ***** who can't sing above a whisper. Let's see how long this one lasts:rolleyes:
CBGBConnisur
06-06-04, 16:50
I never understood all the fuss about J. Lo because having traveled to South America quite a bit, I have seen a lot of J. Lo clones in Brazil and Mexico, in fact I have seen women that I have found to be a lot hotter than J. Lo. Those guys who have had lady trouble back home in the States should consider "outsourcing"(get a foreign chic), if big companies are doing it why can't the average person?
Dickhead,
Unemployed as well?:D
Hi, Freeler. Well, for the summer I am unemployed. I have worked lined up for the fall, though. Work is overrated anyway.
Dick Nasty
06-06-04, 21:08
Rastaman
I am from LA and I wonder how hard do I have to work to find a nice, playful aussie girl? I am not bad looking but I am tired playing the games that american women do. Maybe there are more men in America, which give the advantage to american women.
When I travel to SE Asia I feel like a celebrity, that is why I keep coming back. It is that kind of treatment that men would like from women. Sure I am not saying a women has to go to bed the next hour, although most of us wouldn't refused either lol. But when US women play the game so hard, make me feel it is noth worth the time and money.
In SE Asia and I hope in Aussie too because I really like to travel to aussie someday soon. The women are open, they come to the club to find a good time too, just like men and therefore when you talked to them, they are not stuck up like american women.
Someone give me some tips about aussie's women and how to approach them, what is the men and women ratio in aussie?
Sinanju Master
06-07-04, 00:50
My bretheren, your posts remind me of the broads on "Sex and the City". I've never watched a full episode, but they are damn near 100% typically American; they have stratospheric expectations, LOW desire to meet you halfway MUCH LESS make herself stand out among other females by going the extra mile, they possess a chip on their shoulders the size of a tectonic plate and they have an UNSHAKEABLE sense of ENTITLEMENT. They DEMAND to be treated as equals (like MEN), but when a guy treats her like a woman SHOULD, they lose interest and when we treat them as equals, they decry the death of chivalry! Myself, I don't NEED to deal with an ENTIRE NATION of psychos who are out to deprive me of my sanity! And on top of THAT, this attitude also comes from broads who in other countries wouldn't be worthy of being displayed in a CIRCUS as a bearded freak! What amazes me is that they display an air of "My pussy is the Gold Standard and you have to jump through hoops to get THIS". I smile now when I look at them when they say these things and think to myself: "Ignorance truly IS bliss". Sorry for the rant, my brothers, but I NEVER fail to be amazed at these clueless broads!
Sinanju Master-
Thanks for telling it like it is in a clear and concise way for all to understand. The entitlement point really nails it on the head. The only thing is that the ones here in NYC figure their entitled to an athlete/Mr.Big SITC type making millions with a Ferrari, luxury Manhattan apt, industry connections, and sailboat. With all the money being given away on TV with reality shows and big contracts handed out like peanuts maybe you can't blame their mindset either.
Sex and the City really screwed it up for the fellas bigtime. It basically put out there an image of a NYC lifestyle that the average female strives to live and then she actually goes out and emulates the show. Was actually on a date once and kept waiting for the cameras to pop out on me and tell me I was gonna be on the next episode. For real though, You see the broads strutting down the street here with there Prada bag, D&G outfit, Fendi shoes, umbrella accessory, talking on the celly hailing a cab like "who's better than me." That's the problem, with their mindset no one is, except Mr.Big of course. It's a farce.
Three years ago I was in an elevator with Kim Cattrall. Didn't know it was her though. Jumped in on after her while she held the door. Just me and her in the elevator. She actually asked me something and we small talked with me being totally clueless it was her. She was hot as a pistol too. Real friendly, nice person. I figured she was new on the floor and I was getting to know her for the future. Next day some female co-workers called me a dirty dog for following her in the elevator, so I asked why. They said that was Kim Cattrall the slutty chick from SITC. To say I felt like a complete idiot would be an understatement. Then her bubblebath in the locker room commercial got heavy rotation on the tube rite before bedtime and made my misery 10 times worse.
Prince,
Penn Hotel on 7th and Radisson on Lex. Dated a Signapore Airlines chick who stayed at the Radisson. Beware SAL girls. They are extremely high post broads used to the finer things in life. They are trained to be snooty. Couple years ago this little rapo from The Bronx had a Japanese stewardess twisted around his finger. After she seen his true colors she dumped him and he stalked her so she fled back to Japan. Point is, a lot of these girls are extremely naive, nice people who don't have a clue as to what it's really all about. So you can meet a good girl if you try hard, just be cool yourself.
Smut Villain
06-07-04, 14:29
Sinanju,
I think I speak for most dudes in this forum when I say "Amen". Your "rant" was definitely NOT out of line, and I think it's what most people are saying here anyway.
"An entire nation of psychos". Damn right.
CBGBConnisur
06-07-04, 15:17
There really should be another forum topic created "International Women: Why they are better". This American women discussion is becoming a waste of time.
Smut Villain
06-07-04, 16:32
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CBGBConnisur:
"There really should be another forum topic created "International Women: Why they are better". This American women discussion is becoming a waste of time."
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Actually, I'd like to see an "expatriate" forum. We already know that international babes rule (and why they rule), but the trick is in getting to the more fertile international hunting grounds, and existing in the culture once you are there.
Maybe a few of us should run this proposal by Jackson and see what he thinks?
I bursted out laughing when I saw this ad from a website
** 18 F looking for sugar daddy **
I am 18 living in Providence and looking for a sugar daddy. You must be able to come to me. You must be able to pay all or some of my rent. In return, you'll get my company which can include dinner, dates, intimacy, etc. This is NOT an escort ad! Just looking for a mutually beneficial relationship. email for photos and make sure that you include exactly what type of relationship you are looking for. Thanks!
Simply put, what does this tell ya? PM me if you wish to know the website. It's becoming popular
Sinanju Master
06-08-04, 01:40
So lemme get this straight... this clueless stank-ass skank has the COJONES to demand a Sugar Daddy PAY for all this stuff JUST for the "privilege" of being in her company? This B**** must be on CRACK! At least when I spent $150 on lap dances during my friend's bachelor party, I got a lot more out of THAT than some sucker sitting across the dinner table from some high-maintenance, self-important beeyatch who wants to plant a vacuum in his walet! MAN that takes some fucking BALLS!
CBGBConnisur
06-08-04, 02:40
A guy could go down to South America and meet a female companion, pay her as little as $400 a month for a 9 or a "10", who will cook, clean your place, and fuck your brains out. A friend of mine went on a three month sabbatical to Sao Paulo and got this deal from a local beauty. $400 a month is what the typical college graduate earns in most South American countries.
Smut Villain
06-08-04, 06:43
Meatman, S.M., CBGB:
Now you know why some of us never seem to get tired of this subject; just when you thought you'd seen it all, the damn skanks achieve a new level of brazen idiocy!
I will give her credit in one area, however: at least she's upfront about her golddigging. Most other chicks aren't as willing to "display their contents on the label".
At least she's (practically) telling you that you should avoid her like the plague.
Sinanju Master
06-08-04, 09:55
Smut,
What really makes me wide-eyed is that this trash thinks that her mere company is WORTH all that hoop-jumping bullshit! Hel-LO, broad, there are women beyond our shores that make you look like a second-hand, GoodWill throwaway by comparison, and they are a LOT friendlier! Even if they are in it for the $$, at least they are discreet and they show more of a "return on investment" than you EVER could. Also, they don't show a dorsal fin like you do.
Yeah, it's antics like THIS BROAD'S that keep this subject alive and roaring!
CBGBConnisur
06-08-04, 19:03
Honestly, if anyone gets the opportunity to visit a big Brazilian city like Rio or Sao Paulo, instead of the main tourist areas like the Copacabana, hang out around the Centro or business districts and check out the local female office workers, by US standards they are relatively poor, the average office worker in a big city earns less than $400US a month, offer a lady like this a little more and she will be your mistress/housewife. People in the US pay $400 for skanky high priced escorts that give you 10-15 minutes at best. Some places in Eastern Europe you can get this kind of deal with the local women.
Been seeing those ads for years. They actually work that's why they put them out there. Anything for money or luxury or to get ahead of the next person. Knew a chick couple years ago, 24, light skinned, Tyra Banks type that had her man, 60yo, Daddy Warbucks type pick her up in the limo every day at work. After a couple months said she was leaving to go back to school at Wharton School of Business to get her MBA. Maybe she's the VP of ops now at Ann Klein or DKNY for all I know.
I read this at another forum and thought it was a good read. Didn't see it posted here.
www.fredoneverything.net
Driving Down Unknown Roads
The Feminization Of America
March 29, 2004
In the United States women are, I think for the first time in history, gaining real power. Often nations have had queens, heiresses, and female aristocrats. These do not amount to much. Today women occupy positions of genuine authority in fields that matter, as for example publishing, journalism, and academia. They control education through high school. Politicians scramble for their votes. They control the divorce courts and usually get their way with things that matter to them.
If this is not unprecedented, I do not know of the precedent. What will be the consequences?
Men have controlled the world through most of history so we know what they do: build things, break things, invent things, compete with each other fiercely and often pointlessly, and fight endless wars that seem to them justifiable at the time but that, seen from afar, are just what males do. The unanswered question is what women would, or will, do. How will their increasing influence reshape the polity?
Women and men want very different things and therefore very different worlds. Men want sex, freedom, and adventure; women want security, pleasantness, and someone to care about (or for) them. Both like power. Men use it to conquer their neighbors whether in business or war, women to impose security and pleasantness.
I do not suggest that the instinctive behavior of women is necessarily bad, nor that of men necessarily good. I do suggest that that the effects will be profound, probably irreversible, and not necessarily entirely to the liking of either sex. The question may be whether one fears most being conquered or being nicened to death.
Consider what is called the Nanny State by men, who feel smothered by it, but is accepted if not supported by women, who see it as protective and caring. (Yes, I know that there are exceptions and degrees in all of this, and no, I don?t have polling data.) Note that women are much more concerned than are men about health and well-being. Women worry about second-hand smoke, outlawing guns, lowering the allowable blood-alcohol levels for drivers, making little boys wear helmets while riding bicycles, and outlawing such forms of violence as dodge ball or the use of plastic ray guns. Much of this is demonstrably irrational, but that is the nature of instincts. (Neither is the male tendency to form armed bands and attack anyone within reach a pinnacle of reason.)
The implications of female influence for freedom, at least as men understand the word, are not good. Women will accept restrictions on their behavior if in doing so they feel more secure. They have less need of freedom, which is not particularly important in living a secure, orderly, routine, and comfortable life. They tend not to see political correctness as irritating, but as keeping people from saying unpleasant things.
The growing feminizaton accounts for much of the decline in the schools. The hostility to competition of any sort is an expression of the female desire for pleasantness; competition is a mild form of combat, by which men are attracted and women repelled. The emphasis on how children feel about each other instead of on what they learn is profoundly female (as for that matter is the associated fascination with psychotherapy). The drugging of male schoolchildren into passivity is the imposition of pleasantness by chemical means. Little boys are not nice, but fidgety wild men writ small who, bored out of their skulls, tend to rowdiness. They are also hard for the average woman to control and, since male teachers are absent, gelded, or terrified of litigious parents, expulsion and resort to the police fill the void. The oft-repeated suspension of boys for drawing soldiers or playing space war is, methinks, a quietly hysterical attempt to assuage formless insecurity.
The change in marriage and the deterioration of the family are likewise the results of the growth of political power of women. Whether this is good or bad remains to be seen, but it is assuredly happening. Divorce became common because women wanted to get out of unsatisfactory marriages. In divorce women usually want the children, and have the clout to get them. But someone has to feed the young. Thus the vindictive pursuit of divorced fathers who won?t or can?t pay child support. And thus the rise of the government as de facto father to provide welfare, tax breaks, daycare, and otherwise behave as a virtual husband.
When women entered a male workplace, they found that they didn?t much like it. Men told off-color jokes, looked at protuberant body parts, engaged in rough verbal sparring as a form of social interaction, and behaved in accord with rules that women didn?t and don?t understand. Women had the influence to change things, and did. Laws grew like kudzu to ban sexual harassment, whether real or imagined. Affirmative action, in addition to being a naked power grab, avoids competition and therefore making the losers feel bad. It degrades the performance of organizations, sometimes seriously, but performance is a preoccupation of males.
Men are capable of malignant government, whether authoritarian or totalitarian, as witness North Korea or the Russia of Stalin. I don?t know whether women would behave as badly if they had the power. (I?d guess not.) But women have their own totalitarian tendencies. They will if allowed impose a seamless tyranny of suffocating safety, social control, and political propriety. Men are happy for men to be men and women to be women; women want us all to be women.
The United States becomes daily more a woman?s world: comfortable, safe, with few outlets for a man?s desire for risk. The America of wild empty country, of guns and fishing and hunting, of physical labor and hot rods and schoolyard fights, has turned gradually into a land of shopping malls and sensible cars and bureaucracy. Risk is now mostly artificial and not very risky. There is skydiving and scuba and you can still find places to go fast on motorcycles, but it gets harder. Jobs increasingly require the feminine virtues of patience, accommodation to routine, and subordination of performance to civility. Just about everything that once defined masculinity is now denounced as ?macho,? a hostile word embodying the female incomprehension of men.
A case can be made that a feminized world would (or will) be preferable to a masculine. Perhaps. It is males who bomb cities and shoot people in Seven-Elevens. Yet the experiment has not been made. I suspect we will have the worst of both worlds: a nation in which men at the top engage in the usual wars and, a step below, women impose inutterable boredom.
Mystic Pimp
06-10-04, 20:53
Smut Villian:
As far as the nice guys finishing last, how assholes get laid, I think I have learned from experience. American women seem to go for guys that leave them wanting more.
Dran Reb:
That is said, seeing the "pussification" of America.
Meat Man:
Thanks for letting us know about that "18 F for a sugar daddy" ad. It may be only one ad, but I'm willing to bet there are THOUSANDS of women in this country looking for a guy to take care of them, etc. Maybe some men want to and can afford to do that. More power to them. But for those of us who just want sex, it is NOT good to pay anyone who won't guarantee to "take care of Little Head". We need to stop helping these women who may or may not put out. I say if you're paying, and you don't get what you want the first time, that should be the last time that b*tch takes money from you. Move on!
MP
Sinanju Master
06-10-04, 23:35
Dran Reb
FASCINATING report! I often wonder what it would be like if women ran the planet, but I remember a few years ago, I got my answer. I was reading the newspaper (a major one, but it seems we're all fed the same crap by the news giants Matrix-style) and a woman who is prominent in her field of expertise (I forget her name or specialty) said that if WOMEN were in control and shaped history from the beginning INSTEAD of men, we'd all be wearing grass skirts and tending to our farming. She went on to pretty much say that the OVERWHELMING amount of scientific, philosophical and other advances would NOT have occured if women ruled the world. We'd pretty much stagnate mentally as a species. That's not to say that the rule of Men is without its flaws. We DO cause wars, we DO commit most crimes against our fellow man, and so on. However, I'd rather be free to determine my own destiny instead of having someone else wrest that control from me because they want to eliminate any unpleasantness that may occur while I'm on the path to self determination. I'd rather die after living a life I've lived through my own efforts than to experience the living death of just taking up space and being subjected to a non-life of a boring, safe, predetermined script written by those who have no internal flame.
Just my 2 cents...
The answer to **18F looking for Sugar Daddy**
Dude seeking a SUGA MAMA - m4w - 36
Seeing as many c***rags post these type of things, I will do the same. I am seeking a rich older woman who would enjoy spoiling a nice young guy. I would like to be taken out to nice restaurants, shows, movies, shopping, and if you are really rich, I'd like a car!
For all this, you will be able to participate in the joys of watching me be happy and maybe, if you are attractive, I'll fuck you once in a while.
my name is ******. and I'm a sexy beast. Send a financial report, a list of things you can offer, and a pic. That will do just fine. Thanks.
I hope I get all kinds of responses...YAYY!
Right back atcha! :D
CBGBConnisur
06-11-04, 16:02
The media definitely does play a role in all of this, especially with regards to developing the attitude of most women, regardless of race, color, religion, or ethnicity in the US. The media also plays a role in conditioning males to take all the of bullsh*t crap that women dole out against men. Look at that apprentice show with Donald Trump and how the males took a lot of shit from the females and the men said absolutely. They said nothing in response because they were all conditioned in that nice Politically Correct double standard to simply continue to reciprocate respect even though the women treated them with disrespect. The women also used sexuality to win several times, in one episode where they had to manage a restaurant, the ladies were flirting with males passersby to get them into the restaurant as well as buy drinks. The men couldn't even try such an approach on female passersby because they would have gotten sued for sexual harassment.
Mystic Pimp
06-11-04, 20:38
CBGBConnisur:
In the end, it was the men that won. A man did win the contest, and another man was a runner up. Women can do all they want, but it's because a lot have to use their physical attributes to get up in the world that men will predominantly control. Two quotes:
(1) It's a man's world.
(2) Pussy makes the world go round.
MP
CBGBConnisur
06-11-04, 22:25
I disagree on the second one its more that money makes the world go round. You need money to get pussy.
Sinanju Master
06-11-04, 22:57
Another saying a dude taught me a while back: "Women have HALF the money and ALL the PUSSY"
Except after a divorce. Then they have all the money and all the pussy.
Mystic Pimp:
(1) It's a man's world.
(2) Pussy makes the world go round. I would add number three...
(3) In a battle between you and the world, bet on the world.
Cheers,
Sporadic
Smut Villain
06-15-04, 02:03
Guys, there's a site you have GOT to see....
www.nomarriage.com
This shit is hilarious (it would be even more so if every bit of it wasn't so damned true)!!!
Sinanju Master
06-15-04, 03:26
HOLY SHIT!!
Smut, I read only a few links on the site and it was like a sky of dark clouds was parted to reveal the light. After that light had shone down, I looked around and found that we are LEGION in number!
The strangling off of the sex (like a slow, methodical martial arts chokehold that induces a brain-dead state) really hammered home the message to me. I pitied the living death that is being experienced by the guys who have KIDS and a money-grubbing wife whose only joy in life is to sap the soul from the poor man unlucky enough to be married to her!
I really like the comparison regarding Western and non-western women. Reveling in their femininity is a turn-on that non-western women thankfully enjoy.
I'm still stunned... I can't compliment that site ENOUGH!
Mystic Pimp
06-15-04, 04:18
Smut Villian:
When I read this site, I feel like I am reading the holy grail! *LOL* I think one thing I would say about the opinions of that website is that foreign women could act like "Western" women if corrupted enough.
MP
Mystic Pimp
06-16-04, 02:32
So any opinions on what race/ethnicity of "Western" women to avoid? Or does it not matter, just avoid them all if you can?
"Western" women is much to broad of a term.
I personally love the physical attributes of western women, which is why I can't avoid them.
Simply avoid American, and UK women. All other western women generally speaking have fun disposition and a very sexy body to match. At least the younger women. Of course you will run into a few apples anywhere.
Gentlemen,
A Forum buddy (11Bravo) sent me this, and although it could be termed humor, it sort of sums up the "American women" attitude. I hope you enjoy it.
Cheers,
Sporadic
Subject: Men Never Learn
Due to inherit a fortune when his sickly, widower father died, Charles decided he needed a woman to enjoy it with. Going to a singles' bar, he spotted a woman whose beauty took his breath away.
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"I'm just an ordinary man," he said, walking up to her, "but in just a month or two, my father will die and I'll inherit 20 million dollars."
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The woman went home with Charles, and the next day she became his stepmother.
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Men will never learn.
Sinanju Master
06-17-04, 22:19
My Bretheren:
Upon further reading of the aforementioned site, I came upon ANOTHER incredible whopper of a bullshit lie. There is this chick that posted her expectations in a man, and the more I read, the more I deperately searched for my hip waders. The site said (with some accuracy, I will concur) that this is a typical American woman. Upon reviewing this info (after I provide the link) observe how it's ALL about HER and that there's NO hint of compromise whatsoever. FACT: when a guy exhibits these qualities, the woman then thinks that he's too easy a conquest and then gets bored with him. She will then think that he has no spine and will search for a "real man" (a man she CAN'T control). So, her Mr. Sensitive will eventually turn out to be the PERFECT repellant and drive her AWAY. This list that she provides is the perfect recipe to REPEL her, whether she knows it or not. What's so bad is that if she ever DOES meet up with this guy (never gonna happen) she won't acknowledge that she spoke half-truths the ENTIRE time!
What astounds me about all this BS about American women is how they're like SPIDERS; they lure a guy in with visuals and promises of whats to come, but when they've landed the poor fly (guy) in the web, they consume him with unrealistic demands, whining, the imposing of doublespeak (and double standards) and other shit that makes a guy view his situation as a living death. Also, to make the Deathblow COMPLETE, they let themselves GO (getting outrageously FAT and refusing to meaningfully contribute to the relationship) and accuse the fly of being shallow because he isn't happy that he is now married to a soul-sucking hippopotamus instead of the hot-looking sex fiend he originally married.
Here is the link my brothers:
http://www.nomarriage.com/perfectguy.html
Organicgrowth
06-21-04, 12:52
Sinanju Master,
It goes without saying the this Rachel women will probably remain a spinster all her life. Her list, though somewhat repetitive, rings a number of bells from many a chica I have known…
What do you think: all relations dating back to the Mayflower pilgrims? LOL.
Regards, Havanaman
I too, read the profile from the nomarriage site regarding "Rachel". I've noticed that women on these dating sites generally fall into one of three different categories. 1 - very picky. 2 - Desperate. 3 - Baggage (of the emotional variety).
This Rachel obviously falls into the first category. IMO, she would likely be prone to overanalysing every single thing the guy does and says. No wonder she has to try and find a guy by using a dating site. I bet every guy within a 20 mile radius is avoiding her like the plague!
Question to anybody willing to enlight foreigner moved recently and living in States.
It probably was asked on this forum but this forum is huge and event described below happened in DC.
Since I wasn't born in North America I have trouble with eye contact meanings in USA and how it depends on location where it was received. One girl sitting in company of 4 other girls inside of cafe made one short term eye contact with me. I was sitting alone. Then a 10-15 min later made second long one. What did she want? I was puzzled and didn't do any move. I must note that was cafe with 50/50 foreign/local born people. May be she was a foreigner because I know that in north america nobody gives eye contact especially female unless they want something from you. It would be different in other countries. For instance, in Eastern Europe described above behavior of the girl would mean nothing special.
In general over there I'm making and receiving hundreds eye contacts a day with women of doable age and not having a word and not having sex with one of them . I'm talking about street, official organization, night clubs,public transportation, social interaction etc. Sexual conatation comes later in conversation.
Thanks in advance.
Overheard On the Train
Two decent looking white chicks- The Chelsea Clinton looking one saying how she's seeing or dating a guy, attractive, intelligent, but he seems to overanxious and interrupted her a few times and she don't like that. This immediately followed up by a comment that he works in sales for blank blank big company and has an apt in ---(rich neighborhood in Manhattan). So the tone of her saying that seemed to make up for her not liking his unpardonable interrupting habit. Then one of them saying they went on a first date and the guy showed up in shorts (with cargo pockets) and she was horrified and tried to hide in the crowd.
Now if any guy I know says some bs like that to me about not liking a chick because she seems overanxious, he's definitely gonna get the business from me most definitely. What I can't stand about these picky American woman is that nothing is perfect enough for them. One chick somewhere said "but he always says the wrong thing". To them there is an secret way to act they think all men must abide by. Unless you have money or stardom, then it is ok for you to be as much of an asshole as possible and get away with it.
Cargo Shorts? I just bought a couple of pairs of cargo shorts. What the fuck is wrong with cargo shorts now? Ah screw women if they don't like them anyways. There're great for mongering trips. Digital camera, Spanish dictionary, wallet in the front pocket, knife, flashlight, pen, note pad, lots of extra condoms etc. I call them mongering pants.
Klitchkov:
One girl sitting in company of 4 other girls inside of cafe made one short term eye contact with me. I was sitting alone. Then a 10-15 min later made second long one. What did she want? I was puzzled and didn't do any move.She wanted your money. ;)
Klitchkov,
She wanted you to go over and start talking to her and them. It would have been real akward to go over and start trying to be the Casanova with 4 women scrutinizing everything you say and do not to mention how you look. This is how they expect to meet men. Been in this situation a couple times. One chick called me after a month and asked me to come over her house. When I arrived her house was packed with friends of hers who asked me a million questions. Another time a dates friend materialized like magic and started quizzing me and told me I lost a point because I got the main language of Nigeria wrong! Women in America can't make decisions on their own about guys and need friends to tell them what to do. Remember how Pam Anderson met Tommy Lee? He crashed her table and started licking her face without even knowing her.
Mike12
well said. I totally understand and agree with what you said below.
Are you anywhere nearby NYC, NJ? How good is the scene here?
Thanks
Cash Works
06-24-04, 16:00
Klitchkov,
Sporadic is probably right - she probably wanted your money, but it's possible that you were doing something she perceived as being "rude" (like breathing, or sitting at the table she wanted, or looking at her, or scratching yourself, or - well, the list is just too long when dealing with American women) - actually saying something to you about your behavior could be interpreted as "road rage" (cafe rage?), but glaring at you and flaming you in her mind is apparently socially acceptable.
Bernard - oops - Dran Reb,
After my experience yesterday, I have a new-found appreciation of cargo pockets (got pick pocketed while receiving a BJ - If my cash was sealed in a cargo pocket, this would have been much more difficult - but she was a very talented pick-pocket, so she may have succeeded anyway).
Mike12,
The guy she was describing is probably in a fairly high-stress job and would probably want an occassional moment of silence. One thing I've noticed more and more frequently over the last decade is that American women are becoming intolerable motor mouths - like they're all overdosing on Caffiene or something. Sprint PCS had a commercial that illustrated this perfectly with a little girl who was talking at about 5000 words per minute while braiding everyone's hair - you may have seen it. I reckon that he interrupted her, quite possibly, "non-sensical diatribe about nothing in particular" with the intention of pissing her off so that she would shut up and stew for a 30 seconds, thus giving him his much needed few moments of "quiet time".
CW
It seems to me that sex in North America is basically the whole "look but don't touch" philosophy. Girls get all dolled up and they're programmed to shut-down direct sexual advances.
In Europe and South America sexuality is the essence of man-woman relationships. Here, its all behind closed doors.I don't even see many displays of public affection. Sometimes I see people holding hands but thats it. It's like sex is supposed to be a huge "secret" thing that goes on.
Why does it have to be secret? Why do the women here feel they need to hide all their desires until they get to the bedroom?You go to a South American country, women are openly affectionate and sexual. They don't hide their desires like the women do in North America.
Even in Montreal, Canada. You'll see a difference there and other places. The simple act of "cheek kisses" as a greeting sets the tone for more sexuality. We need to embrace our sexuality more. Not hide it. All these "disinterest" tactics are too complicated for me. They give me a headache and make me overthink what i'm trying to accomplish.
I'm pretty sure I'm gonna move my ass to a more sexually liberated country at some point(In another life). A place where women don't have so much hidden sexual power.
CBGBConnisur
06-25-04, 00:06
Asia is probably even better than Europe or South America, Asian women seem to have the lowest maintenance cost. Frankly, the best looking Asian women never see America's shores, they all seem to prefer to live in their own countries. I spent a vacation in Hong Kong and Maucau and saw some of the finest looking women I have ever seen in my life.
CBGBConnisur,
you definitely know what you're talking about. I've been to Vietnam and got a sore neck from turning to look at all the FINE young women. They seemed to be everywhere I looked. Slim, petite asian girls riding around on scooters, working in stores or just walking down the street. It truly seems to me that the average girl in one of these countries is far superior in both looks and attitude. North american women tend to look like livestock by comparison. Livestock with a whole bunch of insecurities, selfish attitudes and conflicting desires.
I think about this all the time. It occurs to me that the women here are all mixed up because of all the mixed messages they get from the media while they are growing up. On one side, you have nature, and the way things are meant to be. On the other side, you have political correctness, "sexual equality", womens lib and all the other crazy Oprah-style crap thats been fed to them for the last 20 or 30 years.
Me, I pretty much gave up on these women about 6 or 7 years ago. I generally go for non-white women who are recent immigrants. It's like a breath of fresh air! I've had the most enjoyable and successful relationships with them. These women just plain make sense.
Anyways, my 2 cents worth.
GettingTang
06-26-04, 02:58
meatman,
No offense, but sexuality is not so open in south America as you put it. Ever heard of the Catholic Church? It's a pretty big deal in S. America. Sure, you people go on vacation abroad and hang out in seedy strip clubs and mongering watering holes, you're bound to get the perception that all these women openly express their sexuality.
Fact of the matter is, most women from S. America are FAR more conservative then women are in the USA!
They are all Catholic raised and schooled.
Get Real people, get you head out of the mongering water holes, come up for air and see the reality. A ***** is a *****, no matter where she is from.
TANG~!
CBGBConnisur
06-26-04, 03:03
That is why Catholics go to confession :).
Three X, as far as what I have seen and experienced with Asian women is that they tend to be very respectful to men. Very few women from Asian countries nag or talk back to their husbands, they are also very submissive, and consider a man to be man.
GettingTang
06-26-04, 03:56
CBG,
on the topic of being submissive, most Women throughout the entire world are far more submissive then Western women. This much is true, but as far open sexuality, S. American women are raised and act conservative for the most part. Asian women are also very conservative, especially in public, as gestures of affection are often frowned upon.
The big problem I personally see with American Women in general is liberalism. Women think we owe them our, lives, souls, and anything we might ever own, to bang their love box. Women in America view their sexuality as a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
In other countries, women actually give sex and love for companionship and a return of affection. Not so often found these days in America.
In my opinion, American women had better get back with the program. There are millions of American men seeking marriage outside the USA, just for the reasons listed above!
I can honestly say if I were looking to get married, I would look elsewhere.
TANG~!
Asian women are way more accommodating than American women. In college I dated pretty much American women exclusively -- I did not know any better. After college and not finding any American women that did not have an ulterior motive to hook up. They always wanted something for nothing. It was always what have you done for me lately. You tend to give up more and more liberties the longer the relationship last. Bottom line, American women do not allow a man to be a man anymore.
I started going our with a Korean national who was going to college in America. I could not believe that a woman would pamper a man that much in this day and age. I would be catered to hand and foot. She even thought it was wierd when I tried to show affection to her in private and public. She had to get used to that. When my friends would ask me out to go drinking she would encourage me to go with no repercussions later. In Korea, when a man goes drinking, he goes because he is a man and that is what men do. She would never let me be the one left out. I would have to say that she wants me to be a man.
Most of my friends also hooked up with women from asian countries. They all tell me the same thing. So at least where I am coming from asian women are far more accommodating to men in general. As a man what more can you ask for?
HK Man,
Am in NYC. The mongering scene here sucks and consists of crackheads wandering around, occasional girls in vehicles turning tricks, and high priced call girls wanting hundreds of dollars. The whole scene is the worst and is not even worth making an effort for unless you are in the loop for local sex parties that are straight ghetto- (Brainfest). Anyone who was here in the 80's can attest to what i'm sayin since it was a sexual disneyland then. Now Times Square is Disneyland for real. If you are looking for sex, don't come here even if money is no object.
The scene for regular chicks is pretty good if you got a little game. In NY you run into girls of all shapes and colors on an every day basis and have to be on point like a laser. Go into any Sbarros or Midtown Mcdonalds, Modells, Macy's, cafe, or subway train and do your thing.
I know dudes that hang out in Penn Station and wait for a drunk chick to get on their train then they follow them on and sit next to them. Another lowlife I know hangs out at train and bus stations and chats up Carribean nannies with total bullshit and actually scores. One friend was gonna bring me to an AA meeting because he said alot of chicks go and when they are off the sauce the next best thing is for them to have sex! I am not a drinker but was willing to try it out until he died unexpectedly. The Madonna concert the other nite had thousands of hot looking blond chicks all looking to party afterwards. Check out the Copacabana niteclub on Sat nite.
heh, i friggin' love that nomarriage.com site! reminds me of what happened down at one of my regular bars a few weekends ago: i'm sitting there chatting with the staff and my friend when an ann jillian lookalike starts talking to us. apparently, my friend knew this lookalike and told me how she was great because she spoke her mind.
just then, my friend excuses himself for a bio break, and the girl starts telling me why she went to college. she wanted to get a degree in psychology so she could get inside men's heads and control them.
i can't even begin to make this stuff up!
last week i told my friend about what she had told me, and he said with lightning speed, "sheaintgonnacontrolme!" but since her revelation to me, he had taken her out for dinner and found out she was a psycho nut-job anyway.
thank god i ain't married! what was the bumper sticker i saw the other day? "why get married? just find someone you hate and buy 'em a house!"
-- l.
Getting Tang is full of shit as usual. I don't think he's ever been to SA. Probably thinks México is in South America.
CBGBConnisur,
French Canadians get a North American woman into bed easier than a South American woman?
Guys,
The problem with American women is very simple. A higher percentage of American women are fat then in any other country in the world. Therefore, you get a crazy ratio that is approximately 7 guys to every 1 good-looking young women. In many other countries the ratio is to 2/1 or even 1/1. The result is good-looking American women get inflated egos and expectations from tons of idiot guys tripping over themselves just to talk to them. Add to this the conservative, feminist, puritanical history of the U.S., and little or no legalized prostitution, and American guys have a challenge getting a little action from an attractive American women.
nb
CBGBConnisur
07-01-04, 01:37
No I said it is easier for American men to get South American and French Canadian women into bed than American women and Anglo Canadian women.
New bound has hit the nail on the head!! The whole problem with women here can be summed up in just 3 simple words: supply and demand.
Thats it, thats all you need to know to understand why they are the way they are. For example, take 1000 women btw the ages of 20 to 40. Eliminate the ones that are fat and you've got about 600 left. Out of that number, eliminate the ones who have homely faces, short legs, saggy tits etc. and you'll be left with maybe 100 or so. Out of that hundred, you're left with the ones who havent got a decent enough personality to last in a relationship.
We men have been conditioned by the media to want the best looking women. We are constantly bombarded with images of female perfection in movies, magazines and TV. These women really represent the top 1 or 2% of physical attractiveness. Most guys keep trying and trying to get one while bypassing the other 98% as being not attractive enough. I think there must be a 40 or 50 to 1 ratio of interested men for every single one of these women. Why would they even bother to develop any kind of personality. It would be a small miracle if they ever did!
As if the odds werent high enough already, most of the good ones will inevitably be taken. The ones who are left over are bound to have issues that make them a poor choice for a girlfriend/wife. Just like someone who can hold down a steady job and would be considered unemployable. These women go from relationship to relationship. They are the romantic equivalent of the unemployed. These are the women we keep running into when we want to get laid. No wonder some guys would rather skip the BS and just pay so they can get to the good part without all the extra hassle.
My 2 cents worth for today.
Rock
Mystic Pimp
07-01-04, 20:21
Rock Dog:
Yep, supply and demand is one of the simplest reasons things are the way they are in America today.
I'm glad to see this thread has finally stumbled on the underlying issue - supply and demand. But of all the components mentioned, what makes the US unique (or almost) is the aggressive suppression of prostitution. When this is available it provides instant competition - all else follows. You have to get out of the country to experience the difference. I really do feel sorry for guys that don't live near a border.
Sinanju Master
07-01-04, 22:46
My 2 cents worth on the recent issues brought to bear: the media bombardment of the image of physical (female) perfection is only the idea being FED to us instead of like, say, during our Cro-Magnon days when we as men actually SOUGHT OUT what we deemed the image of physical perfection. Back then, we sought out a young mate who appeared fertile (hips that suggested that she could successfully bear children, and if I'm not mistaken, breasts that suggested feeding of the young would be no problem). It's really no different TODAY than way back then with the exception that we are now bombarded with said images (updated for today's tastes) and as a result, we seek out that which we deem to be perfect. HOWEVER, today, OTHERS are choosing FOR US that which is "perfect". There's nothing really wrong with any of this as long as we see through the bombardment and realize that it happens this way.
The Supply and Demand concept works MUCH BETTER in the States than overseas because prostitution is criminalized here. Can you IMAGINE the outcry from American WOMEN if prostitution were LEGALIZED? They (the soul-sucking psychos) as a group would lose MASSIVE POWER because they would realize that since men are after ONE THING, and that thing is now made readily available to even the average working Joe, the present power IMBALANCE would tip away from American women. Soul-sucking Psycho-***** gives it infrequently IF AT ALL because she's waiting for the "right one" (translated: a sucker to finance a lifestyle that will enable her to spit out multiple rugrats, sit on her ever-widening ass, and effectively control the purse strings even though the hard-working Joe is the breadwinner). Remove Psycho-***** from the equation and Joe gets to spill his seed in any number of females (to his visual or sexual tastes) who will provide p4p. All (sane) sides are happy.
As for the tip top 1% of Ultra Beautiful women who don't take the time to try to develop their personalities; Time can be the Ultimate Revenge. I said in an earlier thread that women and men use different currencies to get through Life. Women use their looks and sexual wiles to get what they want. Men use CURRENCY. Women's "currency" loses its value each and every day, each and every moment they draw in a breath. It eventually gets very difficult to find one willing to trade for their currency when it loses most if not ALL of its visual appeal. Hard Currency lasts LONGER and the possessor of it (assuming he's got a good business head on his shoulders) will be able to procure the services of even the TOP possessor of women's currency. Whenever I hear of women complaining about older guys banging younger chicks, I see jealousy rearing its ugly head, because at one time THEY were in the younger woman's shoes wielding a power they no longer have. NOW they have a much more difficult time, because the intense competition reveals them as yesterYEAR'S item. As a result, they lash out and try to shame us for applying OUR version of currency/power.
Any thoughts on this, my bretheren?
I would not make the assumption that all American women have looks as their only currency. There are a lot of females working in the corporate world making a decent amount of money. They would tend to be very picky on whom they go out with.
In addition, many of my female colleagues in the healthcare industry make over $50,000 a year. The other night, while they were perusing through some dating websites, such as American Single.Com, I asked them what they were looking for in a mate.
They pretty much told me the that they only want to date those who have the qualities that they want in the perfect mate or else they won't date at all, something like what Rachel in nomarriage.com indicated.
They did not want the hassle of going out with those who they see as less than perfect because they have the material currency of supporting themselves and not needing a mate to do so.
I think this applies to most Western European women as well, since they live in a region where independence and making money are held in high regards.
However, in those countries that are economically poor and thus having a large social network is important, such as those in Latin America and Asia, women tend to be less independent and have to rely on a man to support them. As a result, they are less strict on what they want in their mates.
I have been asked by many non-American women whether I am scared by living alone and supporting myself on my own. To me, this is such a ridiculous question because it comes so naturally for a person raised in the US to be independent and not to rely on somebody else economically.
However, for those, especially women, who rely on others for support and living with mom and pop until the day they get married is normal, the concept of living alone is an antithesis. To them is it is so foreign for a young individual to be on their own.
GettingTang
07-02-04, 10:59
Sinanju Master
Well said, I agree!However, we must all remember women are emotionally driven creatures, thus always subject to being persuaded my us males!
TANG~!
Shadow Lance
07-02-04, 18:50
I largely agree regarding the comments to supply and demand, but I think it is only one aspect of a really vicious tangle.
Frankly, I while I hold a high degree of disdain for American women, I also pity them.
The "modern" American woman has been conditioned (liberal education, femino-centric jurisprudence, advertising and entertainment media) to beleive that she should be financially independant, morally superior, and emotionally dominant in her relations with the male sex.
The reality is that this is not her biological construction. Biologically because of the need to beget and protect children, women need a man able to provide for and protect a family. It is a harsh world out there and a strong man is needed to accomplish this. This need is native and existes at the level of INSTICNT and cannot be wished or educated away.
Therefore, if she actually hooks up with her "ideal mate" (sensitive, deferential, weak) she is miserable because he is not a real man and she cannot respect him. Divorce is likely. If she hooks up with a real man she immediately sets out "changing" (i.e. emasculating) him and once she succeeds in destroying him she loses all respect for the poor fool. Again, divorece is likely.
Because of this opposed and mutually exclusive dichotomy your average modern American woman is basically mentally unbalanced when it comes to forming a relationship with a man. She is insane when it comes to men and family. This is not a slight or a joke, she is factually INSANE in this area.
(All the above applies to women no matter how good looking or ugly she be. While the ugly woman may be more accomoding in the beginning of a relationship, once she has a kid or two all bets are off.)
Because of all this I pity American women.
I pity the bums I see on the street as well, but I don't give them money because I know it really won't help them and in fact will only encourage their misery. So I treat American women the same. I am polite and respectfull, but I don't condone or encourage their condition. I encourage all other men to do the same.
It's like the sign at the Zoo that says "Don't Feed The Animals."
Most men would never consider marrying a woman with a drug or alcohol problem, or who was suicidal, or who had any other serious mental disorder, so why hook up with an "independant" woman?
She will only drive you insane as well.
Sinanju Master
07-02-04, 18:56
Sun Devil
I don't dispute at all that there are high-powered, highly-paid corporate women out there. That being said, they may live well-off in their later years if they WISELY invest the money they earn NOW, BUT put a man and a woman (both are veterans of the workforce) of equal age and equal comfortable monetary circumstance TOGETHER, and the MAN is gonna be able to hook up with a hot young chick 98 times out of 100 compared to 2 times for the woman of similar age and financial lot to hook up with a young male stud.
We may hear of the recent phenomenon(?) of the younger male hooking up with the older female, but where do we hear it from? Hollywood. Even THEN, we don't get a deluge of examples. Out in the REAL WORLD, with people who are NOT famous, the OVERWHELMING amount of the time you will see a middle aged guy with a young trophy chick on his arm.
Also remember that these high-powered, highly-paid women may be choosy, but they also don't seem to take into account that time is their enemy MORE SO than a man's. They have to battle the Biological Clock, and as cruel as it may seem, on average, youngers dudes are NOT attracted to older women the same way or as often as younger women are attracted to older MEN. Their "currency" (their attractiveness to the eye of the beholder, or the male public) quickly loses its value over time. They have LESS time and MORE pressure to land a premium man because of these circumstances. A distantly related example is when I was watching 20/20. It featured a segment on career women (ALL HEIFERS) who were high-powered and highly-paid, but never had children or took the time to seek out a mate. These women were regretful that they didn't take the time from their careers to concentrate on said matters, BUT they DID seek out the assistance of IV fertilization. They may now have children since they are now past the safe age to procreate, but ALL were without a mate to share a life with or to share the upbringing of the child.
Hot Diggidy Dog
07-03-04, 00:17
Guys,
American women are not that hard to figure out, or to get in the sack. The reason why most of you find the pickings better in other countries is in other countries a 40-year old pot-bellied hairy-backed non-multi-lingual European/American can provide an 18-24 year old hottie with something she really needs. That thing is, of course, as much cash for an hour's acting like you're something hot as she'd get for a week or two working hard in a factory or store or on a farm.
You can also get hot American women under 25 if you've got sufficent cash, even if you're nothing special. American women can support themselves comfortably without a man, and so most of the hotties don't have to settle for selling themselves for next to nothing.
American women like a guy who's capable of giving them some company that makes them feel good about themselves, and recognizes that they're not dependent. If you can be interested in them -- or many them think that you are -- and have a good time with them without sex it's easy to get them to take a flyer on a bedroom visit. But if all you can do is offer to buy them dinner, and you look like s***, don't expect to get a hottie.
American women can be wild. They like sex as much as women from other countries. If you try to buy them, though, you'll find they're really expensive and it doesn't make most of them happy. One of the best extended periods I ever had with a woman was with on a month-long vacation in Europe with a woman paying her own way. If she bought lunch, I bought dinner, etc. And she kept me drained for the entire week, including during her period, when she gobbled me 2-3 times a day just to keep me happy. I didn't try to watch sports shows or get plastered or dump her to hang out with guys.
If your american women aren't seeming to have as many orgasms as your foreign ******, the problem isn't with the American women -- it's that the ****** are faking it well enough for you not to know the difference.
Smut Villain
07-03-04, 04:37
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Quote by Shadow Lance:
"Because of this opposed and mutually exclusive dichotomy your average modern American woman is basically mentally unbalanced when it comes to forming a relationship with a man. She is insane when it comes to men and family. This is not a slight or a joke, she is factually INSANE in this area."
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Insane, eh? I've never thought of it that way... But now that you mention it, the things they do never seem to make much sense. Personally, I've always thought that this "insanity" was because they always think EMOTIONALLY instead of LOGICALLY- but then again, that may be the very definition of "Insane".
Either way, you do bring up an interesting point.
CBGBConnisur
07-05-04, 18:31
Diggidy, I have to make a comment on what you said. First of all most of my travel is to other developed first world nations with a standard of living similar to the US. Most of the women I have met abroad aren't poor desperate third world types. I have gotten laid in Australia as well as many wealthy Western European countries. First of all I know what most American women want, they want get as much out of a guy as they possibly can, even if you look like Brad Pitt, if you don't have money you're not going to get laid. I have slept with a lot of women, particularly with German and Scandinavian women, by the way the average wage in Germany is around $35 an hour including benefits, which is double that of the average US wage of $15 hourly, assuming that the average working German makes more in benefits than the average working American, you would think that German women would be more materialistic, NOT!!! German chics are some of the least materialistic women I have encountered, you should see the guys they hook up with on their summer vacations in the Mediterranean. American women are just not very enjoyable.
Sinanju Master
07-05-04, 20:01
"Figuring out" American women takes a considerable amount of jumping through hoops and I'm no longer willing to be like a Jack Russell Terrier jumping through them in a three-ring circus to do so. I have LESS trouble in the RING, where I have to instantaneously "figure out" how, where and when to land a punch or a kick that will defeat my opponent. In my experiences here and abroad, American women lay so many obstacles in front of a guy that by the time he's gotten through them all, he then finds that the object of his quest is not as palatable as he had originally envisioned. All that bullshit that American women tell a guy about it "being worth it" (the prize they will bestow upon hapless guy at the end of the chase) it just so much crap. Who wants to eat a lot of shit sandwiches with the PROMISE (which is revokable at ANYTIME by HER) of receiving a prize that is "worth it" after the guy endures all the half-truths and the mind games? I yanked the label of "Sucker" off my forehead LONG AGO, and I hope my bretheren do the same.
Conversation between myself and foreign women (like CBGB, I also have gotten laid by women in thriving economies) is easy and natural; it comes without any defense mechanisms because one party isn't immediately raising their shields. Just my opinion...
CBGBConnisur
07-05-04, 23:08
And honestly I already know about the scams a lot of women in third world countries play on Western men. They marry you then when the green card arrives, they dump you and take half of your money. I already knew about this, that's why I avoid third world countries and women who look like they are in financial desperation. A lot of the women I have met in Europe, Australia, and parts of Canada, aren't starving and eager to use me as a meal ticket. I am not a wealthy person and don't pretend I am something else to get laid in these countries, I act like a regular person and get laid, therefore I know for sure that the women likes me for me, not anything that I may provide to her.
And look at it this way, there is a ton of violence in American movies and television shows. If anysexual in content is on an American TV show or movie, people make a big stink over it. In Europe and Australia, its different, people make a big stink about violence instead. There was a really violent videogame that came out in the US which was BANNED in Australia. When I watch pro Wrestling here in Australia, there is a warning message "Attention Parents, the following program depicts scenes of violent and abhorent behavior, this program may not be suitable for children." Then on the same channel there is a movie about a man and a woman trapped on an island running around naked and had an explicit scene with the lady spreading her legs and showing her vagina, the interesting thing is that no parental warning preceded that program.
Sinanju Master
07-05-04, 23:47
I remember seeing one of these Green Card scams while living in the Republic of Panama. I was living in the capital city and a downstairs neighbor (a G.I. who was young, dumb and full of cum) was married to what appeared to me even at 11 years old to be a conniving barracuda who wanted nothing more than to get the card, suck the guy dry financially and bolt at the first opportunity. Granted, I didn't witness the entire family dynamic, but I saw one of the tragic outcomes: the daughter who desperately seemed to cling to MY family because we seemed happier than hers was. If I ever went the marriage route (yeah, and Dubya is gonna march front and center in New York's Gay Pride Parade arm in arm with Pat Robertson while both are in drag) I'd make DAMN SURE that she came from a family that promoted old world family values. Pat and Dubya, I hear there's a sale on patent leather pumps at Macy's! LOL
"American women like a guy who's capable of giving them some company that makes them feel good about themselves, and recognizes that they're not dependent. If you can be interested in them -- or many them think that you are -- and have a good time with them without sex it's easy to get them to take a flyer on a bedroom visit. But if all you can do is offer to buy them dinner, and you look like s***, don't expect to get a hottie."
OK Hot Dog, how about some detail. Pot bellied, hairy backed old guys need as much help as they can get. What's your secret - be specific? How long between meeting your hotties and getting them into bed? Total expenditure prior to first lay? Tell us about a typical date. Batting average - bed partners per attempts? Number of women boinked per year? Please share your expertise.
Well I am not certain why American Women are so screwed up but having spent time overseas most of the BS I have read here over the past few days doesn't add up. I have some theories though. First let’s check some math.
In China where I am living now there are 200,000,000 more men than women. With some of the same issues to pull women out of the attractive group as in America. Some are fat by Chinese standards, some are f'in ugly, and I mean U G L Y! Some have homely faces, and so on. But I have dated dozens of chinese girls from average looking to unbelievably hot.
The numbers are the same there are probably 10 men to one girl for the ratio but the women are different. They are not bitches; most don't even want to spend your money. As a matter of fact a lot of the women I have dated have gone out of their way to save money. They pay for meals and transportation. When living in San Francisco bay area I rarely had a meal cooked by a women I dated even LTR's, and forget them cleaning. Here they cook, they clean my apartment, they rub my back, and they respect me in every way. In America I always felt if I got sex two to five times a week I was doing great here I get it ten times or as many as I want a day. Some of the girls like sex more, but even then I think they are just more willing to do things that please their man. These girls honestly want to help their husband/boyfriends. It doesn't matter if you are a Chinese man, or a big fat white guy. They treat you the same. I have seen a number of Asian countries and feel pretty much the same about all of them. It is not because I am white, I am certainly not wealthy even by their standards, and I am overweight. The only advantage I have is I am American. Definitely not enough benefit to justify the number of honest loving relationships as I have had. It is very hard to not grab one of these girls run and get married they are so much better than American Women. Most of you men bitching or defending American women would not be able to control yourself. You would be married before then end of your first week in China, or Korea, or Vietnam, or Thailand, or certainly any of the poorer countries.
It has been my experience that most of these women are independent. They will disagree with you and argue with you, and even go do things on their own. But through all of that they are always respectful. They respectfully disagree, they respectfully argue. What makes them different? Why are they more respectful I can’t tell you? They just are. I think that maybe part of the issue is that American women feel they have to tell the man he is wrong. They have to prove they are superior to men in order to satisfy their ego’s. The Chinese girls I have dated don’t try to feel superior and certainly don’t feel inferior they simply acknowledge the differences.
I think that part of the issue with American women is that they spend too much time and effort trying to prove that they are independent, not subservient, not sex objects. These issues are bore out by Oprah, and such TV and magazines. They spend all the time saying if a man does so and so he is bad. But they rarely give balance to the equation and say what is good for women to do. They also don’t provide a neutral unbiased view to all the women who watch and read these programs. For instance one girl I dated had an issue with how much I used the word “I.” Because Dr Phil said that a man that uses “I” to much is a bad man. This was on the first date. When you are describing your self and what you have done. You naturally say I, such as I am an outdoors man, I have raced motorcycles, I have gone skydiving and so forth. I asked her how you would say the things you have done without using the word I. She couldn’t answer me, but it is a good example of how these women are brainwashed by the media into bashing men. Unfortunately men and women in America bring their children up believing in this artificial concept of prince charming and the girls refuse to accept anything less than a wealthy handsome man that fits her view of what prince charming is. Sure lots of girls marry and date poor guys or ugly guys. But they don’t respect them. They always keep looking for prince charming, and bashing the man for not being their ideal.
It is kinda like that movie Bowling for Columbine. He never really gets to the reason Americans are violent. He never is able to answer why some countries have more guns per capita and less violence. He just states that is the way America is. BTW on the gun issue I currently live in China where normal citizens cannot own a gun. Violent crime still happens, and every few weeks you see a news report of the Chinese police grabbing a gang that has all types of guns including full auto AK47s. So for those that think outlawing guns will prevent criminals from having guns you’re full of ‘well you know.’
My personal view is that America is simply screwed up by all the psycho babble from both sides. America has a number of factors that completely destroyed the entire concept of personal responsibility. First there is the legal system that allows an idiot to sue someone for their own stupidity as in the tobacco lawsuits, McD’s coffee lawsuits, and so forth. Then the media sensationalizes normal problems creating this whole victim mentality in society for example it’s not your fault you were beaten as a child that is why you did it, or you were oppressed because of your skin color, or you have a chemical imbalance that you can’t control, blah, blah, blah. Then the puritanical crack heads on both sides want to outlaw this or regulate that you can’t build that here there is a frog that will be destroyed, or you can’t sell sex it is immoral and will destroy the country. Reminds me of one of my favorite George Carlin jokes: ‘Selling is legal, f’ing is legal why isn’t selling f’ing legal?!’ How can a good woman come out of such a screwed up mess!?
So all you guys in the US that want to find a girl that will make you hard every day and treat you nice and take care of you. The kind of girl that you feel happy that you do extra things for and help her, you should come to Asia. Although stay away from the islands like the Philippines or Indonesia, the women are crazy on average. They just might stab you with a knife. (Really I am not joking about the islands, I have several friends that have gotten into trouble with wives from these places.)
Sinanju Master
07-06-04, 10:22
Wicked SH,
Well said! You had me baffled at first when you said that some things don't add up, only to eloquently detail your theory on why American Women are so fucked up. I had to really scratch my chin (and agree with) and think about when you said that they need to prove a man wrong and the other related stuff you said. Forget an unbiased, balanced view coming from them. Admittedly, like a dumbass, when I was little, I bought into the Prince Charming crap until I saw that many of the WOMEN were the frogs waiting to be kissed. (If I got my fairy tales mixed up, sorry, all!) After banging my head against the wall for so many years and finally seeing the situation for what it really IS, I just said "Fuck it" regarding American Women. I was thinking that maybe Asian women are the way they are because in Asian societies, they are taught to think of the group or the community FIRST before themselves. If I'm wrong, feel free to smite my erroneous thinking!
Smut Villain
07-06-04, 11:18
Hot Diggid Dog,
I think Sinanju Master pretty much summed it all up in explaining why we prefer chasing foreign skirts. I, like S.M., am also tired of jumping through hoops and "eating shit sandwiches". It seems that when a man tries to do it the "right" way ("just be yourself", etc.) the ladies just play him for a sucker. I'm simply tired of dealing with the neurotic bullshit.
And judging from the numerous posts in this forum it seems that I'm not alone.
Wicked SH:
Thanks for the words of wisdom. An extraordinary post.
CBGBConnisur
07-06-04, 19:22
In South America, there are more women than men, this is due to a variety of factors, but South American women are on average more beautiful and friendly than Anglo-European American women. Even the South American women in the US as one poster mentioned are a lot nicer than local US women. Honestly, if you spent one hour on Copacabana beach in Rio De Janeiro, no pipsqueak justification for the general behavior and attitude of American women can hold water, because in less than one hour you will see more gorgeous women than you do in one month in any big cosmopolitan city in the US. I just arrived in Rio for a month long summer vacation and this place is FUCKING AMAZING.
I've stated this before here: The U.S. is only good for financial gain-college, jobs, etc. For everything else get the fuck out of here!! I just want to add that for me though American women are just so incredibly boring; so predictable!! I think right now that is one of my biggest complaints about the dating scene where I live (Atlanta). I've gotten to the point where just normal interaction with foreign women satifies me (I don't have to have sex with them) because they are so unpredictable I don't know what they are going to do or say and that is one reason I love them so much!!!!
CBGB:
I couldn't agree more! I was in Rio last year for Carnaval (my posts lurk somewhere around the site) and within six hours of landing, I had my tongue down a model's throat.
Now I'm no Adonis by any stretch of the imagination, but just to be able to interact immediately with carefree, intelligent, SEXY women like that still has me in shock! :-)
Currently I live in Indianapolis (or Indianoplace as everyone else in the US calls it). Last night I was at one of my weekly watering holes, and two beauty school candidates parked their asses right next to me. As soon as they launched into their mindless girl's-night-out prattle, two epiphenies came to light:
* I felt absolutely no desire to engage them in conversation.
* I felt I had finally graduated from American women.
I gotta get my butt back to Brazil again, and soon! Have a great time there, CBGB.
-- L
Hot Diggidy Dog
07-08-04, 09:37
Hardbarg,
For conventional dating, typically three dates. I hardly ever spend over $200 on those three dates. If I do blow more money on one date than I like to, I don't hide the fact that the bucks come dear. Often by the third date, she offers to pay. (Yes, you have to know how to handle the conversation. No, it's not a turnoff for an American woman, at least if she's not trying to drain you cash-wise. Of course, I don't date women who can't afford it, or who expect to be taken care of.)
While in the US extracurricular activities are governed by opportunity. I nail about a half-dozed different women a year, and don't keep anything going too long so as not to create suspicion. I think about a month is ideal, maybe three on the outside.
I also keep an eye out for situations that make things easy. I don't get in the shortest checkout lines, I get in one behind a cutie. I strike up conversations in coffee shops. I'm not pushy. I ask them about themselves. I create conversations that let them invite themselves to get in touch with me. When that happens, I slip them a business card (I work at home). I invite them to visit my operation and look at my work. When they show up, I show them around and let them do a few easy things. I find what's good in their approach and compliment them, give them a chance to do some more.
Last week I got a 28 yr. old (v. good bod, above avg. face) to visit, got her into the workshop and nailed her amid the tools on my workbench. She's married, so discretion is important. She knows she has it with me. I'm nearly twice her age, and it would have been tough for me to get her when I was the 'right' age for her.
The key thing about American women is that they live in America. They already have that, you can't offer it to them. They have access to good jobs, you can't buy a hottie unless you've really got gobs of money. If you're good looking, young, and in shape, you can do all right with very little cash. If you're not good looking or young, or in shape, you've got to be a little smarter. But American women don't lose their sex drive just because they live here. Appeal to it and you can do just fine.
I just re-read my post. I meant to also mention that not all american woman are screwed up, just most of them. Last night I was in a bar here in shanghai that was full of american girls and guys. Like the bars in the us the ratio was all screwed up with two guys for every girl. A few chinese girls, but they were all more westernized since they spoke english.
Like a lot of bars I have been in most of the guys were better looking than me and probably more wealthy. I tried to chat with a few girls, but was blown off almost immediately. I don't really care if a girl isn't interested in me. But you can tell someone so without being mean or giving a big attitude like it cost her a lot of money to open her mouth. The only girl that was even nice to me was a chinese girl that worked for the bar.
But what really gets me when I think back about my experiences in the US, and here is that in the US girls give you the attitude and wont even chat for a few seconds to see if you might have something interesting to say. They make this decision based on a quick glance. They don't even spend a second trying to hear what you might say. They shut you down and nothing you can do will change their minds. I used to get arround this by making certain I showed off my money. That is an expensive way to get attention. But it is what us ordinary guys with access to money have to do. I pity the normal guy that doesn't have cash.
In contrast most of the asian girls I have met in bars are polite. Alot of times they are not interested, but they respectufully and politely say so. They don't get bitchy and mean. Even if they are not interested they mostly take a few seconds to hear what you have to say. I see them treat the chinese guys the same way too so it isn't simply that I am white.
I have never really understood the divergance of what american girls say and do. They all say they want a guy who can talk with them and listen. But when you try to chat unless you are rich and or handsome they won't give you a chance. They say no guys ever try, but go to any bar and watch how many guys go out every weekend and try only to get shot down before he has said more than hello.
My thoughts for today. - Good luck in your hunts gents. Wicked
Member #2113
07-08-04, 16:03
Here is a question. How many guys are married on here, and cannot wait until the kids get older to be single again. When I do, I will be moving to one of the "good" places like Thailand or Brazil. Hopefully these american women, who in all actuality are sucking the life out of us, won't affect these places much. Then and only then, I will be able to fully be a monger.
Cheers to the future!
Hot Diggidy Dog
07-08-04, 20:24
Smut Villain,
I don't think you're alone, and maybe American women are tougher to deal with than poor third-world women. And, like American men, American women are often overweight to the point that the thought of sex is just labor, or poorly groomed to where they don't interest you.
There are still plenty of do-able American women, though, and you don't have to spend a bundle or be 25 and a bodybuilder yourself to get them in the sack. It works for me. That's all I'm saying. And when I go overseas, I find my cash or my nationality can buy lots of cooze, just like it can for you. But anyone who has dated extensively in Brasil or Honduras or Italy as I have can tell you women are equally crazy to American women in all those countries, if not more so.
American women seem quite nice if you only pick them up for one-nighters, just like foreign women. It's over the long haul that the madness comes out.
PanamaJack
07-10-04, 11:26
Diggidy,
"a half-dozen different women a year", now thats funny, you had me going there for a minute, almost made a believer. Down in my neck of the woods if I don't f.....k 6 different girls in a month I'm in a bad slump.
Hell when I use to live in the states on occasions I could bang 5-6 girls in a month, but this was a big college town in my younger years.
Hot Dog:
I notice you didn't answer about batting average.
ba = no. of boinked women/total attempts
Mystic Pimp
07-11-04, 23:26
One comment I'd like to say about American women: some of them contradict themselves so much it isn't even funny. God forbid a woman admits to being wrong about ANYTHING! From what I have been reading thanks to the nomarriage dot com site, more and more stuff about the average women is being proven to be true!
MP
Demand Curve
07-13-04, 16:53
Hi all,
First time poster, moderately-long-time lurker. I sought membership in WSG to get tactical intel on mongering Milwaukee, and it has certainly fulfilled that mission... and at the same time the attitudes made my eyes pop out like an object of Lefty's back-door desire (sorry, inside joke for Milwaukeeans and Lefty lovers). Here is a place where a guy can open those misogynistic (or, if you prefer, pro-male) floodgates without getting slapped or fired. So when I stumbled across this tucked-away forum for us to let loose our true opinions on American Women, I had to dig in.
I'm probably stating the obvious by saying the difference between the local boards and this one is like a carpentry apprenticeship and a judge clerkship. The local boards focus (or SHOULD focus) on specific tools to get the job done. But this board is largely subjective, doesn't really yield any tangible results except rigorous discourse. I would actually be prouder to contribute a useful nugget of info to the local board, but it would be like a toddler with a Playskool toolbench teaching a bunch of master craftsmen.
So I finally decided to throw you all my thoughts (with probable value of less than or equal to $0.02), partly because I selected my member name DemandCurve based on that stubborn economic function. I haven't had many opportunities to "intersect" with the supply curve ladies yet. But with your help and my "vitamin Vs" I'm rising. So it seems everyone agrees, in America for whatever reason there is more demand for pussy than dick. Which is why gay men are on easy street (pun intended) - but only in terms of BA (hardbarg's calculation of boinks/attempts). In every other way, they're quite screwed. Disease, drug addiction, attacks on them.
So I for one am glad that it's not that easy to bag an American woman. Civilian or SW. We men get off on the thrill of the hunt. And I actually think American women have been better in the past 5 years or so... the affect of Cosmo, Sex in the City, all these sort of affirmative action urgings for them to be like men. Score like men, fuck 'm, forget 'm. SO I've actually found it easier to bag a cleaner, smarter woman in clubs and grocery stores and the dog park, all those cliche places you see on Sex in the City where women are told it's OK to pick up a guy and take him home - it's liberated.
Unfortunately for women, they are not wired that way... they want to nest, we want to spread the seed, blah blah. So maybe all this bitchiness we're seeing lately is fallout from those failed attempts to fuck like men. Now they want to bag a husband. Someone brought up a Christian self-help type book that said women should submit to their husbands, sexually and elsewhere... I think women are willing to sacrifice that famed "independence" for stability. Although I disagree with that "Christian" philosophy - it is like slavery and encourages all kinds of problems. Like infidelity in married women, which is on the rise.
BUT (and in closing!) I think women vary from region to region - people have already pointed out at lenght the difference between Western and non-Western women. Even within the U.S. there are huge gaps - supply and demand. In Alaska, women can have their pick. In New York or San Fran, where the gay male pop. is so high, it has become more of a men's market. Whether men are the buyers or sellers in normal non-mongering situations, who's to say? I definitely feel like part of the demand for SWs, but strangely part of the supply for civilians (I'm 26, college degree, job, in shape, whatever). I find it a turn off when women fawn over me, like some of you guys seem to like it - make me meals, hang on my every word, basically suck up to me. It's that thrill of the hunt that gets me in the car at night. And that male sense of competition! You guys make it look so easy!
OK, that's more than $0.02, thank you for letting me share your forum. Feedback is welcome, of course.
Sinanju Master
07-14-04, 04:27
Demand Curve,
your name suggests you're a sexual economist at heart! LOL
I didn't agree 100% with what you said, but a lot of it made sense. MY beef is mostly that in the past, I treated American women with respect, listened to what they had to say (I mean actually LISTENED instead of instantaneously tuning them out while thinking: "I wonder if they're real?") and didn't treat them like I was a sabre-toothed tiger eyeing an unsuspecting gazelle on a grassy prehistoric plain. What did I get for my efforts? LOTS of disinterested chicks at best and double-speaking manipulative b****es at worst. I USED to wanna find a chick, fall in love, settle down and get married. After doing a LOT of analysis and considering what I'd be getting myself into, I say FUCK THAT! Now, I'm just out to nail a chick and like a vampire, escape before the light of dawn. I guess I'm saying that I haven't stopped HUNTING, but the target has changed. Find 'em, Fuck 'em, FORGET 'em!
To humorously illustrate my point, a coworker told me about some scribbling on a restroom wall on the Jersey Turnpike. This shit should be FRAMED like the Constitution! It said: "I'm tired of fucking the same woman EVERY DAY". Welcome to the wonderful institution of marriage, guys!
Hot Diggidy Dog
07-15-04, 23:22
Hardbarg,
Batting average is hard to compute - what constitutes a 'try'?
If you mean going as far as starting to chat a woman up, really poor. If you mean asking her to have a cup of coffee and a chocolate torte so we can continue a conversation, much higher.
If you mean after the cuppa joe and a second (more traditional)
date, about 2/3.
Panama Jack,
If you can get that much without paying, you're the master and I want to study with you ... if you are talking about paying for it, and/or living in a city with no live-in or wedded bliss, well, that's not difficult.
I'm just an ordinary guy who likes to undress pretty women and who doesn't have the economic wherewithall or youth or good looks to make it as easy as it once was. I've found a way that works -- Not acting like I'm hunting while I'm hunting, talking while looking in a girls eyes and not at her tits, and keeping her on the side for a few months until I feel the excitement starting to fade.
I just got back from an extended weekend with a very hot lady,
she took me to her husband's cabin on a small lake -- screwing in the hammock, naked swims at dawn, and one try in a canoe (sort of a gag -- no, it doesn't really work well, and we didn't try standing up). We're in our third month and we're not cooling yet, and there's no sign of bitchiness or dullness or insanity.
But I'm not the one who'se married to her.
PanamaJack
07-16-04, 09:48
Diggidy,
Its not that hard to screw 6 girls a month when you live in Panama, and you travel to colombia often, and yes for free especially if you speak the language and know the culture.
Iceberg Slim
07-18-04, 07:45
I firmly believe the problem with American Women is that there is too much religion in the US. There is a strong relationship between the stength of religion in a country and and how easy for get laid.
Try to get laid in religious , consertvative countries in the Middle East. Or compare Catholic Ireland with more secular Britain. The US is a religious country founded by puritans and little has changed up to now.
I realise this a site dedicated to the hobby but I think it is important point to make in this forum.
Peace
Sinanju Master
07-19-04, 02:47
Chorfa1
I don't know if I totally agree with that, since I occasionally read the SA boards and guys seem to making out like bandits there. South America is mostly Roman Catholic and we all know how much of a stranglehold religion has on everyday life with the middle class and the poor at the very least. I think market forces (a chica's everyday needs to live and a mongerer's carnal needs) will win out over religion most of the time. Faith doesn't fill a grumbling stomach nor does it often provide immediate rewards after providing for a mongerer. Any young chick in SA who sees the bright lights and other enticements of the big city is gonna choose THAT over faith when you get down to it.
OTOH American Women are given everything, expect the world, and give almost NOTHING back. I'll be GOD-DAMNED if I ever take any shit off some American barracuda whose attitude is: "What can you do for ME? YOUR needs (ANY type of reciprocation) are irrelevant".
Shit I live in South America (Argentina) and NO ONE here takes religion seriously, as opposed to in México and Central America. Here they say you go to church to get "married and buried." Yes, the church has political influence but among the rank and file it does not affect sexual behavior very much. Trust me.
Sinanju Master
07-19-04, 08:42
Well there you have it guys... I stand corrected
I can't really add that much as far as religion & the attitude of american women is concerned, but from my experiences in Central America I'd say that Chrofa's point has it's merits. For example, in Guatemala and it's neighbouring countries you find a quite strong divide between catholics and protestants, the latter being a growing movement mainly influenced by various NA sects. And while the Catholics there are generally thought to be the more easy-going, modern, don't-take-the-church-too-serious people, many of the protestants are firm believers with a more religious lifestyle. I guess that's due to the fact that they are just new to their faith after converting from the traditional catholic church.
So, Chorfa if the behaviour of SA / CA protestants translates to that of NA mainstream-protestants it would seem like you're getting it exactly right; Shianju, you just overestimated the influence of catholicism in modern SA / CA societies, and Dickhead, what you say about CA is definitely true for the protestants there, but not (any more) for Catholics.
Cash Works
07-21-04, 22:05
I'd have to agree somewhat with Chorfa1. To borrow a quote from the movie "EuroTrip" (stupid movie, but there are a couple of shots of cute topless girls).
"America was founded by prudes who left Europe because there was too much weird sex going on there."
Or something like that.
I'm no expert on comparative religion, but one thing that the Catholics have going for them is confession - basically do whatever you want, go to confession and do your penance and you start over with a clean slate. Protestants (especially southern baptists) are stuck with a permanent tabulation of sins and good deeds that get tallied up on judgemnent day - if the sin side out-weighs the good deed side, your piggies are gonna get hot. No forgiveness where protestants are concerned.
My experiences in Brasil, which is primarily Catholic are essentially like Dickhead says "you go to church to get "married and buried." ". However, the garotas were all very respectful of the church & especially the pope - they just don't see why they need to go to mass every week. If they ever feel guilty about the way they've been living their life (very rare), they just go to confession, say a few "hail mary's" and they are transformed into a guilt-free garota de programma and are back in the game before you missed them.
CW
Hey guys,
I've been noticing something and wonder if anyone out there will agree with me.
Most of us stand united on the fact that American women, as a whole, aren't that great. Many posters say the same thing about Canadian women, English women and western women in general. I think I see a trend here. I call it local guys and local girls.
Think about it. As a local guy in your own town, the girls are kind of boring and unattractive. What's worse, they look at you the same way. The only way to get one interested is to be really handsome, have lot's of cash or some kind of super magnetic personality. The funny part is that if you were that great, you wouldn't be interested in them anyways.
So, you take a trip. and all of a sudden beautiful women are everywhere! As is that wasn't good enough, many of these girls are giving you the eye. You're the star of the show, chatting with the hottest babes wherever you go. All the while thinking about how much better these women are than the ones back home.
In some respects this is completely correct. But think about it. How would the local guys think about these girls? What a bunch of b**ches! There they go again, chasing after every guy with some cash who will take them out and spend money on them. Starting to sound familiar?
Women are women no matter where you go. They all want the same thing. That is to get the best deal they can, for themselves. The reason that foreign women seem somehow to be "better" is because we look better to them. We come from somewhere else so that makes us more ecxiting and different. We also tend to have a lot more money than the local guys (depending on which country).
If any American (or western) women perceives you to be different/special and that you have way more money, she'll be interested. Just look at rich and famous guys like Donald Trump or Jack Nicholson. They still score with the hottest young babes and the women don't seem to mind the 30 year age gap. Just like all those great gals in Thailand, Brazil, Phillipines etc. That's the reason why we do so well with women in foreign countries. When we go there, in some respects we have the same movie star qualities of being wealthy and interesting.
I'm not trying to defend American/western women. I'm just saying that women pretty much are the same wherever you go if you are looking at things from the perspective of a local guy.
One last point. Since the girls in these other countries DO look at us that way, we'd be crazy not to go there and take full advantage!!
Rock
CBGBConnisur
07-23-04, 01:56
Rock, if you read one of my older posts, I have mentioned that it is a lot easier to get laid in many countries outside of the US that are "First World" nations. For your information, German and Scandinavian women are the some of the easiest to get into bed, you should see the bums these babes screw during their summer vacations.
And most local guys don't look at their women the same way Americans guys look at the women we have to put up with, at least I don't anymore.
CBGB, thanks for the acknowledgement!
It feels nice to know that someone took the time to read what I wrote.
I've never been to Germany, Norway, Sweden etc. so I can really disagree with you. The only point I was really trying to make is that it seems to me like local girls are a lot tougher on the local guys than they are with men who come from somewhere else. It's probably because we seem more interesting and more exciting to them. Therefore it doesn't take as much for us to persuade them to have sex with us.
The statement that you made saying that those women are easy to get into bed would seem to go along with this idea. I was wondering though about the bums you mentioned. Are these supposed to be local guys or were they Americans? If they are local guys, then those countries just might truly be exceptions to the rule.
Iceberg Slim
07-23-04, 06:01
Rock, I have to disagree with your thesis. Of all the western nations, American women tend to be the fattest, the least discriminating in dress and fashion, and the most aggresive.
Just compare the flight attendants on US airlines (specially on international routes) vs. European Airlines.
Peace
Chorfa,
I welcome your opinion regarding the idea that I put forth in my previous posting. I also think that you're right about American women being porkers and poor dressers.
Recently I went to a mall and took a look at every woman that I saw. I rated them by physical looks and by style. Of course this was all 100% subjective and based on my personal opinion but it still serves a purpose.
I found that, on average, you can dismiss at least half of all women as being too old or too young. Of the half that are left, roughly half of them are overweight (in my opinion) or just plain out of shape. This leaves about 25%. Of these, I found that less than one out of 5 had decent looks. I personally define a decent looking woman as one that simultaneously posseses a decent ass, nice tits, good physical condition and acceptable face.
Therefore, if my math is right, there should be about 5% attractive women available here. I'm willing to bet that if you went to just about any country and performed the same survey, you'd find about the same result. Even if there's twice as many good looking women there, it would still only be about 1 in 10 attractive girls.
According to the principle of supply and demand, if 50% of the guys are chasing 5 or even 10% of the women, those women are going to get really picky. Think of them as the OPEC of pussy. We want it, and they have it. They control the supply and the only way we can get any is to persuade them that they should give some to us instead of somebody else.
Things may be better in other countries in asia, latin america and europe. However, I personally feel that the same principles are in effect no matter where you go. Women want to get the best deal for themselves that they can. That's why the grass seems greener on the other side of the fence. It's not because those girls are different, or better. They just seem better because they know that (compared to the local guys) we have what they want.
Just as you stated, the women here are generally ugly and more aggressive. I agree with you and I think that the reason for that is supply and demand. Because there's proportionally fewer attractive women, even the homelies think they're entitled to some kind of "dream man".
I open to any comments or ideas as always,
Rock
CBGBConnisur
07-24-04, 17:46
Actually most of the guys are local guys, and they're not rich, most of them are waiters, janitors, bus drivers, mechanics, etc. and a lot of them aren't that good looking either. Even in their native countries, I have seen a lot of losers date these hot women.
Even in North America, if anyone has visited Montreal, you will see a lot of joe nobodies with some hot women.
Mystic Pimp
07-24-04, 19:15
Comments about the "fat American woman":
It seems to me that a more politically-correct American society promotes sexiness at any size. Combined with shows like Oprah and a growing rate of US obesity, "thicker" women are getting the message that men will like them no matter how fat they are becoming. Maybe there are guys out there that like that (personally, I can handle a woman w/ a few extra lbs, as long as is isn't grossly overweight), but most men want women that are in better shape than the average woman.
Chorfa1: I agree with you in that there are too many women I see that are not discriminating enough in their dress style. Seeing a lot of fat sticking out of clothes that are too small, too tight, too low is not "sexy".
As far as a "decent or better" body among women, let's face facts, it is much harder to keep the looks and an in-shape body as they get older. Laziness is not just in the unwillingness to exercise, it also factors in when there are more "sexy" clothes made to accomodate the fat woman.
I think what is gonna happen is the men who are the most successful are going to go after the young women (from legal age to mid 20s). Those women typically fit the traditonal standards of beauty in America.
MP
Sinanju Master
07-24-04, 20:26
Rock,
I agree with some of what you said. The local guys not piquing the interest of the local girl and all. I experienced an example of that when I was in Atlantic City once and A Polish guy said to me: "Polish women are bitches". I thought to myself: "Huh"? The Polish women I'd met here in the States seemed kind, well-mannered and quite pleasant to talk to. Hearing him say that made me consider the other side of the coin. I thinK it may be the perceived "exotic factor" where "foreign guy" immediately is perceived as interesting because he is from outside of the "everyday universe" of the local chick. DON'T get me wrong; I am in NO FUCKING WAY letting American Women off the hook.
The comments about American Women accepting the way they look (wearing revealing clothing and displaying tons of exposed rolls of fat and the attitude that they think of themelves as beautiful! GET REAL!) are just too hilarious. Except for a guy whose sexual tastes are WAAAAAAAAAAAAY off the beaten path, what sane male is gonna think of some broad who looks like a walrus as sexually appetizing?
On another subject touched upon here, I've seen some older women who obviously were well aware of the ravages of time upon the human body and they DID something about it! They work out religiously and look almost like female Olympians carved in stone. Now the sight of THAT makes me wanna lick strawberry syrup off them!
To tie in these aforementioned points of view, American Women feel they don't have to do much of anything to attract a male because they subscribe to the viewpoint that: "We're all you've got, guys! Either accept my obesity, my unrealistic demands, and my unbalanced psychological state or accept two five-fingered dates"! Political Correctness is just another phrase for: "You men should lower your standards and just settle". Should I feel ashamed for taking UNBRIDLED advantage of the "exotic factor" and my economic status relative to my target countries? FUCK NO! I'm gonna KEEP doing it, because like American Women taking advantage of the average American GUY who lacks the knowledge that there are more beautiful, compliant alternatives out there, I CAN! American Women take advantage of suckers (Americanus Wimpus) ALL THE FUCKING TIME!
I'm not saying that foreign women don't expect to be wined and dined, but in my experience, it ties in to a short-term romantic encounter, NOT some mercenary financial exchange (as when it involves American Women) where the only emotion is cold-professionalism.
Sorry for the rant, bit hearing about a nation of psychos makes me turn green, burst outta my shirt and growl!
To Sinanju Master,
You got it 100%. Those were exactly the points I was trying to make! I've read so many reports from guys blabbing away about how great these women are in some country they went to. But how many of them stopped to ask the local guys THEIR opinion of how great these women are?
It just so happens that I have a couple of friends that were born in eastern europe. One of them is from the Ukraine and the other guy came here from Poland. A couple of years back, I was looking at some of those matchmaker sites on the internet. One day I asked my Ukrainian buddy for his opinion regarding some Russian girls that I was looking at. He surprised me with his criticisms, saying things like "those girls from St. Petersburg and Moscow are spoiled" and also "they'll like you, as long as you can pay!"
My polish friend, a well-educated professional like myself, said some of the same things regarding polish women. He told me that they're very materialistic. Wow, this was kind of disappointing and yet somehow familiar.
Last year there was a party at another friend's house. He happens to be from the former Yugoslavia and there were some girls there that he knew from back home. These girls were knockouts! Slim, pretty and dressed for maximum effect! When I asked him about them, he gave pretty much the same reaction as the other guys. "They look OK but they're nothing special" is what he told me. What's more, he was totally crazy for this local girl that we both knew. I'd always thought of her as being kind of a cold fish, and slightly above average looks. For the life of me, I could not understand how he could possibly prefer her to those other women.
That's when I started to believe in what Sinanju has called "The Exotic Factor". What it all boils down to is that everybody thinks the grass is greener on the other side of the fence. It's possible that this could be partly true with regards to cultural differences. It's also true that obesity/blubberitis is way more common here than in most other countries. My own personal experiences however, from the 3 examples above, tell me that this is mostly an illusion.
What does all this mean to us? It means that for american men, american women pretty much suck. It also means that women from other countries give us a way better deal because they think we're more interesting and exciting because of the exotic factor. Having said that, it means you could get a way better woman for yourself by looking for one in some other country. But don't kid yourselves guys, women are still women no matter where you go.
My 2 cents worth,
Rock
Cash Works
07-25-04, 12:51
Chorfa,
Have you flown British Airways recently? It's been a couple years since I was last on one of their flights, but I don't really see much difference between their flight attendants and those of American carriers (the exception was on the concorde - it was a fairly small plane, so the fat cows just didn't fit).
Fat people in America. Well, that is a subject that I've been mulling over for a number of years and I've come to a few conclusions, based on my own family history, which, I believe is fairly similar to most Americans. My family is decended of European Peasants who migrated here in the mid 1800's as endentured servants (essentially contracted themselves to be (near) slaves for a period of time to pay for their passage). People from this demographic (poor) didn't always have access to food so they would eat a lot of food when food was available to build up the fat reserves to take them through the lean times when food was scarce. Feast or Famine. This worked well for most of human history, however, for most of the last 70 years in the USA, there has been no famine, but we keep feasting because we were brought up to be proud of how much we could eat (I still remember stories of how much my grandfather could eat - people were in awe of that mans appetite) and to feel guilty if we don't clean our plates ("just think of all those starving children in china" I suppose it should be changed to Sudan or Somolia, but when I was a child, it was china). Another factor is the change in lifestyle - my parents generation grew up on farms where they had lots of physical labor. My generation grew up in the city/suburbs and we all work in sedentary office type jobs, but we still have that feast or famine mentality - I've tried to explain this to my sister (who, like the rest of us, is over weight) when she berates her kids for not eating enough, to no avail - she continues to worry that her children have eating disorders. I believe that most Americans are aware of the fact that we, as a nation, are fat, but I think it will take a couple of generations to finally get to the point were we get out of the feast or famine mentality that I believe is making us fat.
Male/Female relationships in the USA - that's what this thread is all about after all. I think that here in the USA, we're in a time of "flux". Women are getting more rights but they're still wanting to hold onto the preferential treatment they got before they were granted these rights. This is another thing that will get sorted out in time. Unfortunately, this too will probably take a couple of generations and it may very well be due to a large number of "mail order brides" or American men leaving the country in disgust in order to get laid abroad by real women. At some point, I hope, American women are going to find a balance between their newfound equality and their femininity - stop trying to be men and go back to being women. If that happens, maybe they won't be so psychotic.
In short, this is not the best time to be living in America. I think it would be interesting to see if things have sorted themselves out 100 years from now.
My 2 cent hangover babble.
CW
RD, I agree with some of what you say, and your posts are quite balanced and well-written. I am curious to know, however, how much traveling you have done and to what countries. I don't agree that women are the same everywhere. That's not quite what you said, of course; you said "women are women everywhere." I just think that what it means to be a woman is interpreted differently in different cultures, and that is why right now other countries are better to live in for American men than America is.
I do hope and pray the CW is right and that after a few generations equality and femininity strike a better balance. I doubt it will happen in my lifetime and I have already expatriated myself, but I could see returning if attitudes could change. But the fat thing will be tougher because I don't see the sedentary factor getting anything but worse, nor do I see nutritional awareness increasing. With the demise of the home cooked meal, I see the opposite occurring. Plus the fast food chains
have a lot of political and economic clout. Here in Argentina the social protestors are beginning to focus on chains such as McDonald's and I am loving it.
GettingTang
07-25-04, 20:13
I have long thought places like McDonalds have and are destroying far more people's lives then cigarettes are. They position their franchises in such a fascion that the youth of America is literally growing up eating their food two or three times per day! Many people in the inner city neighborhoods almost view places like McDonalds as part of their core upbringing. The results are just now showing up too. People who have been living off this food for two and now three decades, in their mid thirties and forties dying from heart failure, diabetes, strokes, cancers at very premature ages. All associated with living solely on fast food diets.
Ask your physician, (as I did once) if you eat McDonalds food everyday of your life since you were a kid, how long could you likely expect to live? My doctor told me mid 50's if I was lucky!
TANG~!
Also they destroy local culture. Here in Buenos Aires the food is great. You can go to a local paradilla and get a freshly grilled burger from Argentinean beef for about 55 cents US. Or, you can go to McDonald's or Burger King and get some kangaroo meat that has sat around since 9 AM botulating under a heat lamp (and in the case of Burger King, subsequently nuked into oblivion) for about three times that much. Sadly, due to the pervasive influence of television and advertising, many local people, especially of the younger generation, are inexplicably opting for the latter. You can almost get a fucking sirloin steak here for the price of a BK Whopper. HELLOOOO!!!
Somehow they still don't get fat down here, though. It's a mystery to me. Maybe the ten cups of coffee a day they drink here gives them an extraordinarily rapid metabolism.
DH,
Thanks for the postive comments on my previous post. I was just typing out a reply when something happened. Hopefully it wasn't posted or this will wind up being a repeat of what I had written down already. Here goes nothing.
Ok, I've been all over Canada and the USA. I've also travelled to Mexico (Tijuana), Cuba and the Bahamas. I've vacationed in Vietnam and have made 2 separate trips to Zambia. I don't have much European experience, but I was in London a couple of times too. Lot's of WSG members have been to more places more times than I have, but I do get around.
The first time I ever crossed the line and paid for sex was during my trip to Cuba. Before that I'd managed to have my way with at least 60 women (conservative estimate) without ever paying a cent. So I feel like I have a fair bit of experience where women are concerned.
My comment on women being women everywhere was meant to convey the idea that women everywhere share the same basic motivations. I also agree with you when you said "what it means to be a woman is interpreted differently in different cultures".
Every time I travel abroad, I get this feeling like I'm somehow home at last. Things just seem to make more sense and people don't seem to be quite so phony somehow. It's easy to like a woman when she likes you. However it still seems to me that this is mostly because they probably like me because they think I can get them something that they want.
Geez, I'm getting cynical these days.
Rock
Iceberg Slim
07-26-04, 06:09
CW,
When I wrote about US vs, European Flight attendants, I was tempted to put a disclaimer about British Airways. It is getting closer to American Carriers and that's why I think Virgin Atlantic is thriving by hiring young, attractive, slim flight attendants.
Yes Britain tends to follow the US with a lag of 10 years or so. And the reasons are similar McDonalds, sedentary lifestyles, etc...
But still, in general middle class women tend to dress stylishly, have goods manners (except when they are drunk) and they can be a lot of fun if you press the right buttons.
I do not see the supply and availability of good quality women in the US improving and cannot wait a generation or two. So I am seriously considering expatriation.
Peace
"The Exotic Factor"
Most American woman could care less about a foreigner and what he had to offer unless they were the epithome of the Italian playboy or some other Hollywood stereotype. People from other countries are looked down on here at best until they get with the program. I know some chicks that couldn't name three European countries let alone locate them. Women here know men from other countries can't offer them jack!@& because they know financially it will not be beneficial. Self important women in the US do not want to know about other countries because America is the only thing they know.
People in the US don't identify a foreign person on the street as Italian, Thai, Kenyan, etc. They could care less. More important things to worry about like what kind of car to buy, look to imitate, a la brittany spears, Aston Kutcher, plastic surgery to get, and where to cop stuff to get high. Forget about what that foreigner has to offer in terms of culture, friendship, etc. That don't count for nothing here.
what some of you miss about american vs others is i would have been perfectly happy to screw a fat pig in america when i was there. just as many of you. i dated them, i blew money on them, listened to their selfish prattle. nothing.
but it isn't as simple as some keep trying to protray it. it isn't that these pigs wouldn't have sex because of religion. the most religious girls are usually some of the most sexually active. even in the bible belt. the pigs i knew would screw any of my better looking friends (i have a few male model friends) but they wouldn't touch any of my normal friends or me. yes after months of work you might get lucky one night when they had to much to drink, but then the next day you had a 50/50 chance of her claiming [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123).
they are simply screwed up they have been led to believe they are beautiful hot babes by all us horny normal guys and screwed up because of cultural biases created by the media. your right about nationality mattering, but only for a few nations probably first would be french men, then italy, spain, england, other europeans, then the south america, middle eastern, and lastly asian men. the reality is that most south american, middle eastern and asian men would have a much harder time than a normal white guy.
chinese girls which are the only ones i have a significant amount of experience with. have a completely different view of relationships and family. they will give of themselves to keep the peace. they will be respectful of you when you meet or after months of dating. the ones i have known screw like bunnies. they are way better women, and if you treat them with one tenth of the respect you give one of the american pigs they will give you a lifetime of devotion and love.
as to the ratio of hot women, it doesn't even compare. you walk out your door and see women that will get your dick hard everywhere. nearly no obesity.
speaking of obesity they eat way more than i and stay very thin. they don't exercise or diet or appologize. they simply are thinner. here in shanghai girls love sweet things, they eat lots of sugar. they dump sugar in everything they cook. they poor oil on everything they cook. they eat pure pig fat with no meat on it. they eat large quanaties of rice and breads. they do not gain weight. about the only difference i have seen is that they don't consume any corn syrup. even coca-cola is made with sugar not corn syrup. i don't understand it but it is true.
anyway i need to go, one of my girl friends is here and i want to go have dinner.
Middle class British women dress stylishly? That was a joke, right? I lived there for five months. Middle class British women look like they got dumped out of a vacuum cleaner bag.
Wicked SH,
I think you've hit the nail right on the head with your comments. This is especially true regarding asian women. My own personal experience with asian women matches up exactly with what you said.
It's mainly a cultural difference. They are brought up to put family first, not themselves. That's the problem with women in so many western countries, a selfish attitude.
It is absolutely true that many of the women here are fat pigs. I refer everyone to the latest issue of National Geographic magazine. The cover article discusses the level of obesity in various countries. Guess who comes in at #1? That's right, the good old USA, with other western countries like Canada, UK and Germany not far behind. Interestingly enough, it looks like France and Italy have fairly low obesity levels compared to us.
I don't really care why this may be. What's important is the result. One out of four people is really obese and probably a similar number are moderately overweight. What bugs me is how many fat chicks are wandering around today claiming that they have " a few extra pounds". This new terminology that they use, BBW. What the hell is that supposed to mean anyways? Blubber Butt Whale says I. I think that big, and beautiful, are mutually exclusive terms when being used to describe a woman's appearance.
I'd rather pay to do it with a hot looking girl with a nice body than wait a couple of months trying to get it for free from some girl that looks like the Michellin man. Less hassle, less time, less expense and more variety.
My thoughts for the day,
Rock
Go read my post in the Morality of Prositution section. I would repost it but it seems redundant.
What do you guys think of this statement:
American women want equality with chivalry and no responsibility.
:)
Harimau Malaya
07-30-04, 00:26
hey americans,
i am a foreigner living in the united states. probably american women are the most "racist" and ignorant creatures i ever met. they "hate" people with ascent, especially here in minnesota where they think themselves as super hot, beautiful and their opinions are always right.
with all the feminism and equality bullshit: women want to be equal status with men socially, heirarchically and economically and at the same time they want their husbands...boyfriends to be taller, richer, more educated, broader, bigger and so on. so how can they be equal if there is so much of conflict. men, women and minorities can never be equal. remember this a "god damn capitalist country", no one can be equal here.
all those "people" who crow about feminism and human rights can get lost. the u.s is the biggest human rights "violator" in the world, they can take their human rights and shove it up in their ass.
if you ever watched court tv, see all the husbands killing their wives and about serial killers. no country in the world have seen so many of their women being 'whacked and raped' by serial killers. the united states has the highest number of serial killers per capita than any place in the universe and 95% of their victims are young women. i lost my faith in the united states.
sorry guys for being so harsh. you guys can slam at my comments if you want. my comments may not necessarily be right.
memek lover
CBGBConnisur
07-30-04, 01:20
Continental European women have better hygiene and grooming than most American women, and that is pretty obvious, walk around the streets of a cosmopolitan European city, and the women are very stylish. European women also tend to be much better looking than US women on average.
Then why do French women stink so bad?
CBGBConnisur,
I don't think on average they are better looking. But as you point out they do take better care of themselves. They have pride in how they look and want to feel and look sexy. As to hygiene I think it is a toss up between the two, french, german and english women are not known for having taken care of their teeth, using anti-persprant, or being shaved (underarms, legs, etc.)
American women have been programed by liberal psycho babbel to believe that they should wear birkenstoks and frumpy clothes. That it is ok to be a few pounds over weight (read 30-200 pounds.) That makeup and such are bad for the environment and kill animals. That men should accept them as the human beings they are without pressuring them about societal norms.
BS I say.
Hey there Dickhead,
Did you check those French girls to see where the stink is coming from?(lol)
CBGB, it all depends on which country you go to. My travel experience tells me every country has the full spectrum ranging from butt-ugly all the way up to Goddess. Lot's of porkers in the UK, but some really nice ones too. Lot's of sweet asian babes in Vietnam, but plenty of moogly looking ones mixed in as well.
LookR, yes it's true. It's been said here before, but definitely worth repeating. There's been a societal shift towards increased empowerment for women. Yet, they seem unwilling to strike a balance by giving up some of their expectations in other areas. Maybe what they really want is UNequality with chivalry and no responsibility unless the benefits outweigh the costs.
What we're seeing is the slow, steady feminization of society. It's crept into the workplace in the form of sexual harassment claims. It's crept into public life in the form of political correctness. It's even crept it's way into the legal system in the form of biased divorce judgements, custody cases and restraining orders.
A hundred years ago, if man had a love for a woman that was so strong, he had to pursue her to try and win her affections. Back then, women understood what this was all about. Even if they didn't like the guy in return, they might admire his persistance. Nowadays, we call him a stalker and make him an outcast.
Nope, this part of the world has definitely gone to the dogs. The best solution is to save your time and effort for women who deserve it. Go and get your wife (if thats what you want) from one of the "good" countries like Brazil or Argentina. If you try to find one here, you're playing a loser's game
My rant for today,
Rock
CBGBConnisur
07-30-04, 04:44
Spend time in Barcelona, Geneva(which is technically French), Milan, Lisbon, Athens, Prague, Frankfurt, Copenhagen, Stockholm, Amsterdam, etc. You will find many elegant and attractive women all over Europe.
This forum is to bash American women, and American women suck, end of story. Just about every Western country except for the US and UK has attractive and charming women. I live in Australia and the difference between most Aussie and US women in terms of attitude and appearance is substantial. I've also spent time traveling throughout Europe and Latin America and American women have become an afterthought, regardless of race or ethnic origin American women suck. I found a nice photo of Jennifer Lopez without her makeup and all I have to say is "woof woof" she is ugly.
AMERICAN WOMEN SUCKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sinanju Master
07-30-04, 22:05
CBGB,
On the Hygiene issue, I have to differ slightly on your opinion. I used to be stationed not far from Frankfurt. Once, my family came to visit me and I took them on a shopping trip in the town outside the installation and we entered a quaint little shop that contained different little knick knacks that my mom and sis were enamored with. I, OTOH was enamored with the sales clerk UNTIL I got closer. I was silently wondering to myself: "What-is-that-FUNKY-SMELL?" I put two and two together and determined it was coming from the lovely fraulein. I was crushed that such a vision of loveliness smelled so bad. This wasn't an isolated incident, either. I heard many a soldier tell horor stories of meeting HOT european chicks who could kill flies with their B.O. alone. ONE thing I'll give American chicks (grudgingly) is that I RARELY (if EVER) encountered a chick (even one who could make Medusa look like a total babe) who neglected personal hygiene in that manner. Other than that, yes, American chicks suck and are in need of a monumental attitude adjustment.
In fairness French MEN stink too.
Organicgrowth
07-30-04, 23:06
Gentlemen,
I have lived in Europe all my life, and am reasonably well travelled.
As to the smell:
In general, and in my opinion, European women are more cultured, dress better and are in general better shape / health than American women. This goes for pay for play as well as regular chicas. In fact at the average to medium, to high end of the market the chicas smell better and better and better (sadly the performance isn’t as linear!).
I have been with many many European women and I do not think they smell bad at all. In fact the mere existence of the bidet in the majority of homes tells us the average hygiene level.
Regards, Havanaman
PS. I agree with DH, French men do stink, LOL
It ain't their pussies that stink. It's their armpits.
Sinanju Master
07-30-04, 23:16
Thanx for giving the board a heads up for me, DH! I should have specified earlier, but it seems that it was done FOR me with alacrity.
CBGBConnisur
07-31-04, 06:04
Fat people tend to stink more than people who are in good physical shape, most American women are hands down fat and most American women cannot impress without makeup. There are actually a lot of photos of celebrities without their makeup and show how they look when not on TV or in the movies, some women who most guys think are hot look like dogs in real life. I actually saw one or two US female celebrities and don't understand the fuss about them. In Europe, Asia, South America, the South Pacific, I have seen NATURAL beauties without silicon tits and expensive makeup covering up their imperfections. You're talking to someone who has been on every corner of the globe and trust me the US is near the bottom of the list in terms of beautiful women.
Sinanju Master
07-31-04, 13:28
This chick that I spoke of is only ONE case, but she was beautifully slim, and the guys who shared their horror stories with me about the chicks they met that had the industrial strength B.O. weren't the type to go for obese women. It was like DH said.... their ARMPITS stank. Just my 2 cents worth.
This isn't as much a rant board as a place to share your views. Unfortunately so many of us have been burned by american bitc--err I mean women. The board has become something of a rant. Most of the rants are well founded.
I posted on the morality board again, it is a good post. There is some spill over from morality to women going on there right now.
On the subject of european women and body odor. Some, repeat some, european women may be kind of stinky. It's also generally agreed upon that quite a few american women are fat. The way I look at it, one hot bath and the stink is gone. As my grandpappy used to say "fat don't wash off".
Rock
Harimau Malaya
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I smell some fish in here!
No I guess it was just those european women. I guess we are lucky we didn't smell a tuna on rye. (If you get my drift.)
It seems like Mr. Big Time 29 posts has something he'd like to say.
I'd like to take this opportunity to offer a rebuttal to some of the points he has made.
1. Not too many guys can afford to date women outside our country. Believe me when I say that many of them wish they could.
2. We date foreign women because we want someone BETTER not because we CAN'T get one in our own country.
3. It's not a matter of a God-given right to do anything. Those who can, do. Those who can't, wish they could!
CBGB and many others like him have been all over the world getting it on with their selection of the finest looking women. Any guy who does what he wants to do, when, where and with whom he wants to do it, is a winner in my books.
You shouldn't be making this kind of post. It seems like you're just doing this to get attention.
Rock
Smut Villain
08-04-04, 06:50
MeMek Lover,
Okay, everyone's entitled to his or her opinion; but I have a few thoughts on your comments:
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QUOTE: "You made a comment about all the un-good lookin and poor guys in foreign countries dating hot women. Looks like you are raging with jealousy. "
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Jealousy? I don't think so, considering he's already in a foriegn country and dating those same hot women (maybe even YOUR girlfriend ;) ). How can he be envious of something he already has? Quit talking out of your ass.
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QUOTE: "...You thought americans had the god given rights to date hot women..."
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No, we don't think we have "God-given rights" to anything (except life, liberty, etc.). It's just that we desire to date hot women- in this respect, you are no different from the very people you're insulting. Despite your deepest suspicions, the concept of the "concieted American" isn't always true.
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QUOTE: "You guys should thank god that Mexico is located next door or you might have to jerk off everyday"
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Well, I can't argue much with that sentiment ( :D ) , but think about that statement for a second: just WHY would we have to "jerk off"? By saying what you 've just said, you've unwittingly admitted to what most guys on this board have been saying all along- that the dating scene in America makes as much sense as an ice salesman in Alaska. If someone kept feeding YOU shit sandwiches, wouldn't you go to a different restaurant?
You seem have have entirely missed the point of this discussion: that Western women have a virtual monopoly on the dating scene (bolstered, of course, by the creeping Feminization of modern society) and if a man can avoid all of this crap, OF COURSE he will do so by almost any means necessary. In fact, I think if you were in our shoes, you'd do the same (please don't lie about it- you would).
Now that I think about it, why would a MALE complain about us dating foriegn women? I think you may very well be a Female troll in disguise (and it wouldn't be the first time it's happened here).
MeMek isn't a girl, although he might be a girlie boy. He is just pissed because Americans have gone down to TJ and jacked the prices so high he can't affort a taco let alone tickle one. Besides let him have Mexico, South America and Asia are much better places to monger anyway. Those mexican girls get as fat as americans after their first baby.
BTW for all those foreigners that didn't get the references I will explain.
TJ is Tijuana - border town across from San Diego. Pretty good mongering town.
The first taco reference is a type of food mexicans eat.
The tickle one is refering to tickle her taco, might also be considered a food by some, but is more correctly called vajina.
I know I always hate reading references and not getting them.
Sinanju Master
08-04-04, 10:13
D-oh! Smut Villain beat me to the punch and quite eloquently!
Mystic Pimp
08-04-04, 20:42
Not to pile on w/ this "American women suck" topic, but...
Found out recently that my ex gf had been playing me since we met almost a year ago. She fucked around on me with various guys, and has a drug problem. Not to mention that she was (is?) escorting/hooking, and on top of that, a single mother looking for some sucker to play "daddy". We break up, and a week later, she's pregnant? Then to find out later that the chances I'm the father of "Bastard #2" are less than 50%.
If all this doesn't belong on Jerry Springer, or become a topic for the Tom Leykis Show, I don't know what should.
Needless to say, I don't have a very positive attitude towards American females right now. Fuck 'em and dump 'em, I say.
On a related note, I was inspired to stay single thanks to a recent issue of Newsweek magazine, talking about how more and more attached women in this country are cheating. They specified married women, but I believe people dating and/or living together can qualify too. Basically, while the man of the house is slaving away at work, "wifey" is getting special attention from the guy(s) on the side. No wonder relationships in this country are going sour, and at least 60% of all marriages end in divorce.
My future mentor is the 55 y/o guy who wrote a letter in a recent issue of Newsweek commenting on the women who cheat. He chose sex over love and commitment, and he's never been happier. He can stay with various women an hour, a day, a week, and send them home with their baggage so he can "recharge". I don't know what issue this was in, but it had me busting out laughing. Now I choose to stay single and play as much as possible.
MP
Sinanju Master
08-04-04, 21:15
Mystic Pimp, I hear ya! I didn't read that NewsWeek article (get off your dead ass and find out the date it was printed! LOL) but the guy you wrote about is experiencing JUST what I am striving for.
I grew up and thought for many years that meeting a chick, falling in love and getting married was gonna be the greatest thing in the world. Okay, my bretheren, ALL TOGETHER NOW: "Sinanju, are you on CRACK?" I keep hearing things about women pulling the shit you wrote in your recent post and I snap back to reality REAL FAST. American women UNREALISTICALLY want it ALL. When I say "ALL", I mean a BAD BOY who is gonna fuck 'em and dump 'em, and a SUCKER to dump their problems on (the bending of the ear or using the shoulder) and to separate said sucker from his resources by stringing him along (barely dropping hints that by catering to this materialistic, soulless b**** he will later receive the reward of being her man). When they finally get married, they "settle" for what they feel they can get at the stage of life they happen to occupy. The unrealistic desire to have it ALL never goes away, and at the first opportunity, they go out and sample some dick outside the marriage and they expertly twist the situation around to make it seem like the man's fault. Un-FUCKING-real!
Just this morning, I thought myself: "Do I want to be with a chick who, after we got married, would be TOTALLY within her legal rights to do a 180 degree psychological turn and
1) place me under a sexual embargo and possibly cut me off ALL TOGETHER
2)determine that since we're now married, she can now say: "I hooked him, now I don't have to work hard or work at ALL. As a result, she can sit back, be lazy and get fat to her heart's content and I'd have no (immediate) legal recourse to correct that.
3) as if 1 and 2 weren't a bad enough poke in the eye, she'd be LEGALLY entitled to AT LEAST HALF my assets after pulling off the aforementioned issues.
4) kids... need I say more other than THAT issue could provide (with her help) a fiancial and emotional drain for AT LEAST 18 years! HELL NO! Newsweek guy's lifestyle is MY target!
CBGBConnisur
08-04-04, 21:26
The dude who toasted me obviously has not met an American women if he did, she would kick his ass. This forum on American women is basically on how they fail to measure up against women elsewhere.
I don't want to be an apologist for Me Mek, but let's be fair.
1) He's at a real disadvantage since he clearly has a less than perfect grasp of English.
2) I'm surprised there havn't been more complaints from men in other countries about us ugly Americans coming over and fucking their women. If nothing else, when American guys show up they cause price inflation for everyone.
3) He seems to agree with the general opinion on this thread about the futility of dealing with American women.
4)I do thank God that Mexico is right next door. I was down there preying just yesterday.
I'd say his anger is a bit misplaced, but understandable.
Gentlemen,
In my experience, you will always get some resentment from "local guys" when anyone from anywhere else taps the local talent.
That is not an excuse for personal attacks, IMHO.
Those of us born and raised in ´Murica have the burden of discovering that ladies from almost anywhere are more pleasant company than the stereotyped "American woman".
Sad but true.
Me Mek lover: Get over it. Calmate y respira por la naríz.
Cheers,
Sporadic
Hardbarg:
If nothing else, when American guys show up they cause price inflation for everyone.
Feel free to substitute "British / German / Canadian" or simply "Westerner" (implying first world.)
This is a global problem, not just with Mexican border towns.
Cheers,
Sporadic
CBGBConnisur
08-05-04, 00:18
I don't know why local guys should feel threatened, last time I checked only 3 million Americans live abroad, this is according to government statistics, and only half of this population is male. Also only 5 percent of Americans have traveled outside of the US, take away Canada, Mexico, and the Caribbean, and the actual percentage of those who have been to Europe, South America and Asia are really small. I was in Brazil last month, and almost all the Westerners I saw were speaking German, Italian, or British English.
Experiencing the wrath of jealous local men has never been an issue for me in my experience of searching for pussy abroad and I have a lot of experience. On the contrary, local guys often encourage me to seek local pussy just by opening their mouths and boasting about how sexy the women in their country, how easy they are, and how much better they are overall than US women. Most guys outside of the US don't have Me Mek's attitude of feeling threatened by a foreign guy. Most are actually indifferent because many of these guys get a healthy regular dose of pussy since there is an ample supply of it and it is readily available. I was in Brazil and most locals thought I was stupid to pay for it. Looking at their point of view it makes sense, if you can speak the local language, it is relatively easy to get free pussy over there, so local guys get better action with less resources. The same rule applies in Europe, elsewhere in SA, and in Asia.
Harimau Malaya
08-05-04, 00:49
CBGB,
I'm a legal alien living in Duluth, MN. I did meet a lot of women here. After graduating from college, life here has been a living hell.
Guys,
Go to www.nomarriage.com. It 'might' change your mind in planning your future. I hope it helps to reduce the American birth rate.
Born again terrorist,
Memek Lover
Sporadic:
I can only speak with some authority about gringos in Mexico, but I do think American men are a special case worldwide for the same reasons the women are a special case, as discussed ad nauseum here.
Americans are more provincial than the guys on your list, or almost anyone for that matter. American men spend their lives as buyers in a dismally skewed sellers market. More so than almost any society I can think of. If they get out, they bring their baggage. Desperation. Guilt about "paying for it", or even wanting it. A lifelong habit of "yes dear" in the hopes of getting laid.
The result is poor shoppers, worse bargainers, free spenders. Most American guys can't or won't learn they have added leverage with all the women in an environment where sex can be rented without being arrested, even if they don't make use of the option. The guys from the countries you list grew up knowing better.
The gringos paying silicon balloon girls $40 for a 10 minute lap dance in a Mexican strip joint when they could get laid for less a couple of blocks down pretty much says it all.
The Brits figured Americans out 60 years ago. "Over sexed, over paid, over here."
Hardbarg:
I do think American men are a special case worldwideWell, I appreciate your point, but CBGB is correct in that there are few A. men out and about in general. My comment had more to do with price inflation, and depending on where you go, "Westerners" almost always cause some type of price inflation or another in my experience.
As for local resentment, I did not intend to say that this is really a problem, more of an explanation for the rant of our fellow Me Mek. There always will be someone upset about something. I am looking at this from the point of view of a long term expat, not someone who pops in for a holiday.
Your comment (from WWII Britain) actually makes my point. Resentment of the fact that others were on the "home territory" with possibly different economic circumstances has been going on for a long time.
The causes of A. men having such low expectations are myriad, but it is certainly true, at least in my case, that international travel and expat living opened my eyes and put ladies in a more "proper" perspective; eg: Jumping through hoops and bending over backwards only gives you a sore back. ;)
Cheers,
Sporadic
CBGB, the stats I've read say that the percentage of Americans who've ventured outside of the country is closer to 9%, but your point is still a damn good one. If you total the number of passports issued by the State Department over the past ten years (the usual length of passport validity) it works out to there being about 64 million Americans with passports, or about 18-20% of the population, if you presume that some of those are five-year passports. More men than women probably have passports, but even if American men have 75% of the issued passports (undoubtedly high) and if half the Americans who have traveled elsewhere do so every year (obviously waaay too high) then only about 6.6 million American men venture outside of the country each year. If 1.5 million of those are guys living abroad, you're only talking about at most 5 million or so American men travelling anywhere in the world in a given year, which is certainly not all that many.
Mystic Pimp
08-05-04, 20:25
Sinanju Master:
The Newsweek article was the July 12 cover story, I think the mail responses were from the July 26 issue. Newsweek on the web should still have that article archived.
BTW whoever wrote that no marriage dot com stuff, I would like to thank them personally. The stuff I read was almost dead on w/ the description of many women like my ex gf.
MP
Mystic Pimp
08-05-04, 20:38
Top 10 reasons not to marry
1. Men can get sex without marriage.
2. They can enjoy the benefits of having a wife by cohabiting rather than marrying.
3. They want to avoid divorce and its financial risks.
4. They want to wait until they are older to have children.
5. They fear that marriage will require too many changes and compromises.
6. They are still waiting for the perfect soul mate, and she hasn't appeared yet.
7. They face few social pressures today to marry.
8. They are reluctant to marry a woman who already has children.
9. They want to own a house before they get a wife.
10. They want to enjoy single life for as long as they possibly can.
To Mystic Pimp,
I read every single word on that nomarriage website. Whoever put that thing up must have got burned big-time! I really do feel for him though.
I enjoyed your top ten reasons list. However, with regards to point number two, be careful with that co-habitation thing. In some places if you live with the woman for a long enough period of time, you may be considered to be common-law partners.
This means she may have her hooks into you in a real and legally binding sense, even if you never formally got married!
Point number 6 hmmmm. You'll be waiting a long time for that one.
Point number 8, reluctant is not a strong enough word! (LOL)
Point number 10, amen to that one brothers.
Rock
Mystic Pimp
08-07-04, 22:51
I can't take credit for that top 10 list, it was on the website
CBGBConnisur
08-10-04, 01:45
I figured out what type of man is absolutely irresistible to women, unfortunately men like this don't exist in real life. Women want a guy who is strong, a provider, a protecter, a hero. Unfortunately we don't live in a comic book world but man if I was a superhero imagine how the ladies would treat me regardless of where on Earth I roam, I'm sure even the babes who flock to Tobey Maguire and Hugh Jackman get let down, when these dudes don't have any special powers in real life, and are just regular mortals.
Sinanju Master
08-10-04, 02:29
CBGBConnisur,
you have a point there, but I took it along another path and figured that they want what they CAN NOT HAVE OR CONTROL. I've seen acquaintances of mine (and even myself) fall victim to their fickleness. If you don't throw obstacles in their way and make them work for it, they think to themselves: "If it's THAT easy to get him, he CAN'T be worth it". I witnessed this fucked up train of thought on their part MANY TIMES, only to see them turn around and go full throttle for guys who they KNOW are gonna punish them in one way or another. But hey, they say that women are the smarter of the species. Makes me wonder. ANYWAY, whenever I see a divorcee with rugrats in tow, I know that at one time she may have been hot, but natural born stupidity on her part landed her where she currently is. Do I feel sorry for these broads? FUCK NO! My philosophy is: "You got a brain, you can put two and two together, but STILL come with FIVE, you got what you deserve!"
You guys are on the right track, but consider this for a while.
Maybe, just maybe, women are like us. They see a guy and they aren't sure if they can "get him". They pull the usual routine, waving a little promise of some pussy around. If the guy goes for it just like that, they evaluate what happened.
Women are always doing this. They have a self-image that is continually undergoing a process of calibration. When they get a guy easily, the self-image is calibrated upwards. This leads them to try and see if they can do better, because they want a better guy to match their continually escalating ego.
If they can't get a guy, the self-image gets calibrated downwards. This is especially likely to happen if they get turned down a couple of times in a row.
The trick is to find the right balance. Don't give in and be a chump. On the other hand, don't make it too hard for her. Keep her a little off balance so that her calibration process is always going. That way she won't get the idea that she can do better.
The problem is that there's so many chumps out there who are desperate for some action. They keep trying and trying. What happens then is that we end up with a lot of women who have unrealistic over-inflated opinions of themselves.
What does a woman have that I need anyways? Pussy? Nope, thanks to P4P I can get that any time I want. Companionship? HAH, that's even easier! This whole country is filled with women who just "want to be friends".
This is how I see it for myself. I'm not that bad looking. I stay in good shape. I'm smart and I have a six figure income. It's not whether I deserve her, it's whether or not SHE deserves ME.
If you play it any other way, you're playing a losers game.
Sorry about the rant,
Rock
Sinanju Master
08-11-04, 03:55
Sorry for WHAT? Hitting the nail on the head and further explaining what I left out? No apologies needed...
Mock A Bee
08-17-04, 01:24
Hello all,
I am an American living abroad living in Beijing, China. Here is a little perspective - I can tell you women are all the same the world over. The women here will cock tease you to no end. I know an attractive local Chinese woman here who gets hit on all the time. Her English is exceptional; she is charming and a hottie to boot. She leases apartments to foreigners so she comes into contact with guys at cocktail events all the time. So many guys hit on her she has absolutely become the biggest cock tease I know of. Guys fall all over her, and because of this, she absolutely has an absurdly elevated image of herself. Unfortunately I have been one of those stupid suckers who took her out to dinner a couple of times. Anyway, comparing notes with friends, she absolutely is exactly this type of girl Rock Dog is talking about. They exist in numerous quantities in China just like in the States and I am sure everywhere else in the world.
Mock A Bee,
I read your report. Hey, first off I want to say thanks for reading what I wrote. It's nice to know that the message is getting out there :).
What you said about that chinese girls doesn't surprise me one bit. I've had a fair bit of personal experience with asian people and I can tell you that asian guys can be world-class chumps when it comes to women. It's like a competition or something. Chinese, vietnamese or whatever. They all go around spending money trying to outdo each other and impress the women.
Guess what happens then? The same old story, the girls get used to it and before you know it they start thinking that that's the kind of treatment they're entitled to. Those asian girls may look innocent and submissive, but most of them are cunning little schemers. They all keep track of how well their friends are doing. Who's boyfriend is a doctor/pharmacist/dentist etc. Very materialistic and very competitive if you ask me.
It's not all bad. Smart, loyal, slim, petite and pretty. They'll stick around as long as you can pay for their shopping. That's not such a bad trade for the tightest pussy in the world.
They have our women beat by a country mile :D.
Rock
Mystic Pimp
08-21-04, 21:56
In regards to American women and how they are (eventually) bad for American men, what are your opinions on American college girls? Sorority girls?
Personally, I think a majority of sororities on college campuses are just havens for future American women that American men won't be able to stand.
Mystic Pimp,
Colleges and universities are breeding grounds for lesbianism and radical feminism. The attractive ones spend their time refining their cock-teasing skills to the highest degree as they seek out the chump who is most able and most likely to give them what they want.
Personally, I think many of the attitudes and concepts that have spoiled women here have been instilled before they even get to university. They learn it from their friends, TV, magazines and movies before they're even done their teenage years.
I was watching this show on TV a couple of days ago. It's that model show with Tyra Banks, I think it's called America's Next Top Model or something like that. Anyways, one of these girls was talking on the phone with her boyfriend. She had admitted to cheating on him. Here comes the sickening part, he's OK with it. He's saying shit like "let's just concentrate on us, and I want to be with you."
I couldn't believe it. Well, actually I could because this guy represents the typical pussy-whipped chump that you see so often. He's so desperate to hang on to this girl, he's willing to overlook that she fucked around on him. Why?? Because she's "a Model". Personally, I didn't think she was even that great looking.
Thats what happens when good looking women are in such short supply. They know they have what all the guys want and the advantage is on their side. The typical chump accepts this and enters into competition with all the other chumps trying to get the "girl of his dreams". The women get spoiled and develop the attitude that they deserve everything just for agreeing to let the guy go out with them.
By the time they hit their twenties, they're already well-trained.
My advice is not to play the losers game where the odds are stacked against you. If you're looking for something permanent, look somewhere else where the women are more attractive. Some place where women don't get poisoned with crazy ideas. Asian girls are usually a pretty good bet. I'm sure there's lots of hot chicks from South America that would be happy to step in and take over where our women have failed so badly.
My 2 cents for today,
Rock
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