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Hi guys,
Just a doubt: do you believe it is too dangerous to eat the pussy of a prostitute? I know that a prostitute can have many partners a day, but I also think it is very frustrating having sex without eating pussy. It is like enjoying a good dinner without the dessert! I know eating pussy can cause herpes, but what about HIV/AIDS? Is it risky or not?
Personally I sometimes visit a brazilian pro who work in an apartment. We always use condom (covered blow job and covered vaginal sex) and I know she uses it also with all the others customers. Can HIV be transmitted by saliva? In other words, if one of her customers who is HIV positive decides to eat her pussy (with covered blow job and covered vaginal sex), do you believe she can be infected by him? If yes, this can be dangerous for the others who eat her pussy after and can get the virus...
Or do you believe it is necessary a complete sexual intercourse without protection to be infected?
Thanks for suggestions!
Stay cool,
Mad Frax
Hey Guys.
I really get pissed off when I hear "as long as it's safe for ME" from guys. I DO realise you are PAYING to have sex with a girl but it's still simply awful to insist on certain things that are not safe for the sake of your personal fun.
Not to do a sob story but I ended up in this job because it was the only way to fund my studies. I'm 21 years old and I hope to be able to find a normal job as soon as the time intensive part of the course is over. It's not that I don't enjoy it but it does ruin your reputation, especially if you live in a comparatively small city. Also, you do expose yourself to a certain risk, even if you work safely, that is EVERY DAMN THING WITH A RUBBER, no exceptions made, ever. The only thing that hasn't caught on in this country is the concept of dental dams for cunnilingus. So there is a risk there. I always worry about where his mouth has been before. Unless he does a damn fine job in which case I kind of can't do the thinking and the enjoying at the same time.
I think it's downright irresponsible to demand BJ's without rubbers and CIM is just something I would NEVER do with a stranger. I'm not suicidal, after all.
When customers whinge about this fact I just cooly give them my standard answer: "Well, I'll get back to you about that the day I have NOTHING left to lose" Some get it and shut up about it forever, others are just confused. They don't realise that doing more "reckless" practices is a way of making a lot of money in very little time. There's no way of tracking a pro so if I was a money-minded, selfish type of girl whose health is buggered up, I'd just go in there guns blazing and enjoy what life has to offer against cash.
VilunyaChert
10-21-03, 19:13
Swiss Gal writes: "The only thing that hasn't caught on in this country is the concept of dental
dams for cunnilingus."
You said it. I spent an afternoon looking for dental dams in Geneva, no luck. (It would have
helped if I knew the French for "dental dam"--I'm not shy but I just couldn't see myself trying
to give a long-winded explanation of what I was looking for to any of the clerks in the pharmacies.)
So I ended up doing without the particular snack I had been looking forward to all week.
For future reference, what *do* you call a dental dam in French? German? Maybe I'll get to Zurich
next time I'm in your country...
Swiss Gal,
I would think that a woman getting HIV from a man during cunnilingus would have to be THE most difficult and unlikely way possible. Him getting it from you? Far more likely, but still remote.
Despite all the studies and words written about this topic, the necessary experiments to prove whether HIV can be contracted though oral sex have not and will not be done. Impossible. Studies such as the SF gay-men study where KNOWN HIV + men were ejaculating into the mouths of HIV - men, showed that none of the negative became infected. Doesn't prove it COULN'T happen, but suggests it is very unlikely. The few cases where women have been infected by HIV+ men though oral sex are based on the premise that no known alternative transmission routes were present. No anal or vaginal intercourse, IV drug use or IV medical procedures. How can the researcher be SURE of this information? Can't. Could anyone be lying or simply forgetting something? Of course. If large numbers claimed this was happening then statistically it might be significant. But as things stand, all that can be concluded is that it is theoretically possible and MAY have occured, but is highly unlikely.
By the way, are you really Swiss? Your English is so perfect and so American that I have to wonder.
Cheers, -P
Swiss Gal, I think the bottom line is, frankly, that guys have a different mindset on the whole thing that's based on knowing that they're simply less at risk than is a woman. Women are more likely to catch just about every STD there is, and be more greatly affected by most. If you're a guy, you worry about AIDS, herpes, and then consider the rest of the spectrum a rather minor and curable price to pay for extra sensation. Not saying it's smart or right, just that it is the way most guys I know tend to feel.
And you're darn right that dental dams are too difficult to find. I've tracked mine down in a Safe Sex Store, and you can order them online, but you sure as heck can't wander into most pharmacies and choose them from a rack like you can condoms. And forget completely about finding them in places like Africa or Southeast Asia.
Question -- why don't you provide the dental dam for your clients? Get some of the flavored ones, some water-based lube, and you could probably have some fun teaching old dogs new tricks and also eliminate the thinking even when the job he's doing is just so-so :)
About 8-9 months ago I was reading a discussion on this site about HSVII test kits sold by Diagnology under the name POCkit. I bought a 5 pack for about $100. The kits are awesome, easy to use and greatly reduce the hazard of unprotected sex plus they are FDA approved. It's the ONLY "at home/hotel" herpes test kit available which does not require special equipment, 2 hour incubation, expensive $50. +, and training. I have used all my kits up. And in doing so I might add, got laid by some absolutely beautiful American women who I know would have otherwise told me to spontaneously fuck off!! Also, the kit makes a great excuse for playing Doctor!! Anyway, I had planned on using them in Thailand, but it just didn't seem to be necessary when I got there with condoms.
Now, I tried to buy some more this week and discovered Diagnology has filed bankruptcy in the last two months. CDC said bankruptcy had nothing to do with efficacy of their kit. I have done a detailed research to locate something comparable, and spoke with various people in the Herpes organizations. There is NOTHING else out there. WOW that is dissapointing!
The company is located in Belfast, N. Ireland. I quess I'll call and try to locate a court appointed Bankruptcy Trustee. Possibly learn who bought the inventory, or if I can buy what's left. Does any one know how quickly inventory is liquidated in a bankruptcy. Any suggestions on getting some more of these kits? PLEASE HELP! It sure is a great tool, for for nailing FREE sex with those classy, and smart American ladies!
Thanks.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/3250785.stm
BBC: Self Test Quiz on condoms. John Skinles got them all right, except for eight of them.
well i know there is probably not much interest from the mongers about this: it's a [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) test for chlamydia cost about $100.00 when my physcician told me he would need to swab the uretha channel of my favorite friend to test for chlamydia it gave me the creeps. so i found this site: http://www.requestatest.com/pages/2/index.htm for a $100. you can have lab-work done on a [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) test, drawn and sent from the privacy of ones own home. just in case someone wants the test and without the alternative discomfort.
i think someone on this site suggested cutting that new over the counter cream abreva with astroglide or other lubricant. i asked a physcian to prescribe me some of the topical cream nameed zyclovir/acyclovir. i'm going to use it around the base of the shaft when i start mongering in rio and sao paulo next week. i think just as a added precaution i'm going to take a few free samples (coupons on the web) for the the famvir and valtrex oral suppression tablets for hsv just in case i see red bumps. i don't know do you think it would add some protection if i took one of those a day, for the couple of weeks i'm mongering down there?
a few weeks ago l bought 12 of those 10 minute hiv blood test kits (non fda approved) called discreet for $20.00 each. i would not recomend these kits, the instructions are confusing i even had a physician friend in my office help me perform the test. we got a positive reading. tt freaked the motherf out of me! i beelined to the clinic for a blood test that afternoon! it came back negative a week later. wow, it was frightning, i remember thinking denial is the first stage, then i started to seriously consider if i should just go back to kansas and die! i then downloaded further test instructions from their web site. i began seeing how the results could be easily mis-interepreted. this was after doing three of those stupid tests on myself! wow, that was a wake up call!
safe mongering trails to us all!
Wow, I spoke with my pharmacist today. He said over the counter Abreva cream is better at BLOCKING transmission of HSVII then Zovirax/Acyclovir. I bought about 5 of those little tubes of Abreva for $15.00 each. I asked him about getting a free sample of Valatrex or Famvir as I wanted to have something to quickly suppress a HSVII outbreak if contracted in the monger field. He said I should consider taking it as a body prophalactic to block getting the virus. I'm going to get a three week supply via free samples just to play it ultra safe. The stuff is horribly expensive about $200 for a 30 day supply. Bought some of those antimicrobial hand wipes today, similar to baby wipes, some Alluna herbal sleeping pills which I think work very well and a homepathic called "No Jet Lag" which I swear really works for me. I'm going to wear a respiratory mask on the flight because I feel that is one of the most suseptible environments for catching a bacterial infection. I'm playing everything close to the vest because my little guy deserves all the fun I can give him!!
Sweeeeeeeeeet, I used the on-line free sample coupons for Valtrex and Famvir printed from their web sites. Using as body (armour) prophalactics against HSV-1-2 while mongering the next 3 weeks in Brazil and Argentina. Got 28 Famivir and 10 Valtrex from pharmacy, over $150.00 worth of pharmaceuticals for FREE. NICE!!! Safe mongering trails to us ALL!
Stephen Horndog
12-11-03, 09:56
i have screwed at least four hundred different hoes over the years and i never use a condom. i always blow my load inside them even if they think i am going to pull out. i have never caught anything more then clymadia. i wash my weiner imediately after i ejaculate my load inside of them with a 99.9% germ killing anti-bacterial extensively over my penis including the [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) hole. the plain fact is you cannot get hiv from vaginal sex. any guy who gets it is bi-sexual and has been screwed in the ass by another man. thems the facts whether you likes it or not. thank goodness for anti-bac soaps and lotions.
And you're a doctor who's qualified to make such a statement, which contradicts all authoritative information, right? The "facts" are that you've been stupid but lucky, and somehow think your luck translates into medical wisdom.
Stephen Horndog,
I tend to agree with you, or would at least go as far as to say that the penetrative partner, if circumsized and having reasonably well lubed sex(either naturally or KY), has little chance of aquiring hiv. But I would add that anal sex is also not particularly risky for the penetrator, regardless of the gender of the anus he is penetrating.
Just one question - where do you practice the hobby? I find it is somewhat harder, though far from impossible, to get bareback from girls working in the US than here in S.E. Asia. Do you have a hard time finding ones that will do it?
Late Night
12-14-03, 01:20
Dear Gents,
Could an expert comment on whether shaving your private unit increases the chances of getting STDs?
As always, thanks in advance.
Latenightbootycalls!
Well I got 4 out of 10 right on Skinless' condom quiz, which is an F in my book, but at least got the only important one right: which kind doesn't prevent STDs. One of the 4 I got right (size of female condom) I just fucking guessed.
Seriously Stephen and Opebo:
HIV is transmitted through bodily fluids except saliva. Now a women's vaginal fluid can maintain the HIV virus, when you penis is in her it opens partially, exposing you the fluid. Remember fluid can come out of your penis and so could some go back in.
Seriously men, I wont go into this further as it is an obvious subject.
Dont you think its spreading around enough, not only HIV but other STDs.
GettingTang
12-14-03, 07:02
I too had similar results with this Discreet test. Luckily I had found several complaints on numerous websites regarding the reliability of the test and exactly how to read the results. As soon as you watch the blood and solution mix pass through the reader window, if no line forms under the "T" section, then your negative. If any line forms AFTER the "C" line has showed it should be disregarded! If you did not know this, you're in for one roller coaster ride with this test. I managed to get a hold of them by phone and they told me a line will ALWAYS form under the positive reaction part eventually!
I went out and got a real test which was negative. Same as the discreet test. I seriously wonder if this test is real at all. I have suspicion it is a complete, absolute fraud, but who knows.
As for there being no chance of catching HIV from intercourse without a condom?!? You're, nuts dude. True it is lower risk then bareback anal, or sharing a needle, but it's a real risk, people catch HIV this way every thirty seconds around the world. Just ask people in Africa.
HIV is real people, you have to take precautions to avoid it. 48,000,000 people world wide have it. Most caught it from heterosexual sex acts! True stat! I monger as much as any of you do. I fear and respect the disease, but I try and play it safe. I went bareback with receiving blowjobs for some 10 years, I now even cover up for those too.
And a quick question..............How popular do you think Thailand, or other major monger watering hole will be once a cure or vaccine for HIV comes? I'm willing to bet flights to Bangkok are sold out for years in advance once HIV is curable or a real vaccine is made!
GETTINGTANG~!
I have had unprotected anal sex with over 10,000 prostitutes, mostly in Africa. I also shoot up a lot. Needles are expensive so I normally borrow one from my bisexual neighbor. It's kind of a hassle because I have to wait until he is done using them to clean his fingernails but man do I save a lot of money.
So far I have avoided any STDs because after I come in her ass I stay in there until she farts and I think that does a pretty good job of blowing all the germs off my dick. Just in case, though, I use the needle I just shot up with to clean out my [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) hole.
Hey Opebo and Horndog, let's get together and party some time.
Dickhead: Maybe Ruli in China would suit you. Over 80% of the hookers go skinless and the HIV rate is about the same.
Huge Erection
12-14-03, 18:16
I saw on the nvbrothels board that somebody got herpes at Viking Resort in the DR.
Slappy Balls
12-15-03, 09:58
Dick Head,
You really are a dickhead. Wow what a guess. Any ways you people know nothing. Any doctor will tell you that you cannot get AIDS from vaginal sex. There is not one documented case of hetrosexual aids. So you guys can end this debate right now. Go ask your doctor and he will tell you that unless you are engaging in anal sex with another man you've got no worries.
So put your dam chickens in a condom if you like but every chick I screw is bareback.
Swiss Tiger
12-15-03, 14:56
Dickhead
"Probably the best post I have seen in a very very long time!"
Had me laughing my socks off.
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Why do people still think that HIV is not a problem? We all know that homosexuals, IV drug users and prostitutes are the highest risk areas for western men to catch the disease.
Opebo and Horndog,
If a stranger held a pistol to your head and told you they didn't know if it was loaded or not, but that they would pull the trigger anyway, how would you feel? I suspect that the least you would do is fart, at worst faint with pants full of your farts follow through!
Having unprotected sex with a prostitute in some countries is not far away from playing Russian Roulette. (Esp in Russia, Africa and Asia, see the latest HIV spread statistics).
You may well be clean, but answer this question, were all the guys who fucked your prostitute in the last 7 days clean as well?
You never know 100%.
A girl working in a brothel may have over 10 partners in a night, thats 70 in a working week! Even if they get tested regularly for HIV and other STD's, they would get tested "at best" once a month. (Law in Germany I think!)
That works out to be some 300+ clients between tests if you are lucky.
If a girl has an annual test then thats 3600+....... Go figure how many of those would be totally clean fucks?
If she lets you fuck her in the ass without a condom then I guarantee that YOU are NOT the first!
I think you will get the idea that the risk factor of infection is now rising rapidly.
At the top end of the scale a high class girl in a cabaret or some such won't sleep with as many men, but will go longer between tests.
To catch HIV, from anal or vaginal sex you need only transfer enough infected fluid to cover the nail of your little finger - FACT! It does not have to be blood transferal, although the fluid does have to get into your blood stream, and can be easily done through tiny tears in your dick.
It is inlikely that you will catch HIV from oral sex, unless she uses her teeth and dribbles alot, and has bleeding gums, or if you are the "giver" then if your gums bleed you are AT RISK. (teeth brushing before and immediately after is ill advised, as is eating hard food like crisps, cookies etc) HIV will not survive in the stomach due to the acid.
The only good thing about your posts (opebo & horndog) is that you remind the rest of us of need to wear condoms and protect ourselves, and I/we hope that you have not had the same girl as we after she had her last HIV test.
You are both walking high risk individuals. I really hope you see some sense before its too late. No one deserves to die a painful and agonising death, and I wish you all the best, but please please, (and this is written in all sincerity) be more careful!
Thats it from me
good luck and have fun
ST
Swiss Tiger
12-16-03, 10:08
By the way, a previous girlfriend was a nurse, thats why I know about the fluid amounts etc. She brought home some docs for me to read a few years back.
Interestingly, if nurses or doctors get cut in an operating theatre they immediately have an antidote injection within a few hours or so, then have a HIV test and Hep test within a week. They're not allowed to operate until the results come back. Apparently its a common occurance. I was shocked, until it was pointed out to me that someone is bound to be cut when you work with sharp knives and needles all day etc.
Reading this particular thread, has become as interesting for me as reading the life experiences of various members on other threads. Like any hobby, it is enveloping and developing, and research helps keep it fun.
We all get our pleasure in different ways, and view risk with varying degrees of importance. Each to his own, and I won't begin to try and preach on here, but sometimes its easy to forget that there are some eight+ different STDs that one can catch during hetrosexual sexual intercourse, each with varying degrees of pain and embarassement and life changing concequences.
Its your body, your life, you only get one of each!
How much change and embarassment can you handle?
Atlanta Monger
12-16-03, 11:04
Excellent post, dickhead - I'm still laughing two days later, everytime I see it. Just too funny!
Slappy, I'd certainly like to see you shuffle up to Magic Johnson and tell him he just HAD to have been taking it up the wazoo from one of his teammates, since there are no documented cases of F2M HIV transmission. I guess his doctor must have fudged the paperwork, huh?
Swiss: Good points, all. Unfortunately lost on some of this crowd, though.
Play safe, boys - just think about the future return trips you'd otherwise miss!
Is this section only for AIDS, or can we speak about other STDs ?
Has any of you ever get a "moluscum contagium" ? This is a kind of little shits that have been growing on my pubic (not the organs so far) and can become red and itching. According to the doctor I have seen in this Pattaya hosptital, it is not very serious but quite persistent and contagious. So I got that from one of the cuties here... He suggests a curage but I have not yet decided what to do. Ii seems that cream is not very efficient. Any experience of that ? Thanks.
Tough luck, Erik! I've happily avoided moluscum, but I've read that doctors remove them either with a curette or with liquid nitrogen, neither of which sounds exactly pleasant. This looks to be one of the rare ones that men contract more easily than do women.
Dunno about the reliability of their device, but there's a lot of good info on the whole things at http://www.molluscum.com/
Eric,
Here's a brief overview. It is from a urology web site. I think it is relatively straight forward and understandable.
Overview:
Molluscum contagiosum is a viral infection that produces small, painless blisters that may, at first, resemble genital warts. It may cause serious complications in people with immunodeficiency disorders (e.g., AIDS).
Incidence and Prevalence:
Molluscum contagiosum accounts for fewer than 3% of STDs in the United States. It usually occurs in people 20 to 40 years old.
Causes:
The disease is most often spread through direct skin-to-skin contact. Transmission through shared items (e.g., towels, gym equipment) occurs infrequently in adults. Scratching, picking, or breaking the blisters can spread the infection to other areas of the body. Molluscum contagiosum also is spread through sexual contact and commonly affects the pubic area, groin, thighs, buttocks, and external genitalia.
Infected children often spread the disease by scratching the blisters and touching one another; blisters usually appear on the face. Salivary transmission occurs among young children.
Signs and Symptoms:
Blisters, or papules, usually appear about 6 weeks after exposure but may appear within 1 week. They form at the location where the virus entered the body, usually on the genitals, thighs, or lower abdomen. A person with a weakened immune system may experience outbreaks on the face or scalp. The blisters are waxy and raised, with a dimple on top. They can be flesh-colored, white, pink, yellow, or clear. Single papules may appear first, then multiply to form clusters that sometimes resemble genital warts. Itching is common, but pain is rare. A few patients experience red, scaly skin around the blisters.
Individual blisters may resolve on their own in about 2 months, but an outbreak can last 6 months to 3 years.
Diagnosis:
The blisters are distinctive, so diagnosis is typically made by observation. Doctors confirm the diagnosis with a biopsy and microscopic examination of biopsied tissue. Often, a physician removes ("unroofs") the top of a blister and push out its core. Molluscum contagiosum blisters have a characteristic white core and bleed rapidly following unroofing.
Treatment:
Although the virus remains in the body, a healthy person’s immune system usually controls outbreaks and suppresses blister formation. Outbreaks can recur, and they are usually associated with a weakened immune system. There is no specific treatment. Blisters may be removed surgically by cutting, burning, chemical destruction, or freezing with liquid nitrogen. These procedures are done in the office under local anesthetic. Retinoids (e.g., Retin A®), an acne treatment, may be used. Increased sun sensitivity is a common side effect.
hello everybody my first time posting in this section.i have a few questions if you'll could help answer i would greatly appreciate it.
1] can one get aids from a bj and what are the types pf std's one can get with bbbj .
2] does coming in the mouth raise the level of risk in anyway .
3] after sex when one pulls the condom off i'm sure theres some vaginal fluid on the condom.is there a safe or certain way to pull off the condom to avoid it from maybe touching ones [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) hole .
thanks
on deck
hello on deck,
here is what i have been taught:
1. the risk is minimal to none for cbj for both receiver and giver. with bbbj, the risk increase dramatically for the giver. if you have no lesions, no inflammation, no breakage of skin/mucous membranes on penis, and there is no damage inflicted by the mouth of the giver, then again the risk is minimal to you. otoh, the giver is potentially playing with her life because she may have lesions in her mouth or other openings caused by brushing, eating food, or whatever else that leave her susceptible to all sorts of stds.
2. due to the last sentence above, yes, the risk is raised dramatically to the giver, not the receiver.
3. while holding the tip of the condom, roll the condom off with the other hand until it is loose enough that gentle tugging can release it. dispose of it, wash your hands carefully (meaning spend some time and rub well under running water with soap), then wash your penis. then take a [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) to flush the urethra.
hope this helps.
degano
Thanks very much for the info. I think I am going to have the 3 blisters removed.
What is the best thing to do in case of condom breakage?
Of course, first what one might think about is to take penis out and take a shower. Are there any other things one can do to reduce the consequent risks?
Rubber Nursey
01-06-04, 05:36
stalin - [CodeWord111] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111). always a good idea after a condom break. peeing in the shower while you wash your penis kills two birds with one stone. obviously there is a lot less risk involved with a condom breakage for men than there is for women, but if you are really concerned, you could go straight to a doctor/clinic/hospital and get a dose of precautionary antibiotics. most importantly - don't ever be too 'ashamed' to tell the truth to a doctor. don't be afraid to say that you were having sex with a girl you don't know too well and that the condom broke. they can't treat you properly if they don't have all the facts.
Rubber Nursey
01-06-04, 05:53
On Deck - Just to add to Degano's post re: STDs from BBBJ. Like Degano said, the chance of you contracting HIV/AIDS while getting a blowjob is slim to none. However, you can very, VERY easily catch herpes, which is an extremely common INCURABLE virus. Also, if the girl giving the BBBJ has gonorrhoea of the throat - which is highly likely is she makes a habit of giving BBBJs! - you can also contract gonorrhoea.
And as Degano pointed out, BBBJs are much more dangerous for the girl doing the blowing. So when a girl offers you a BBBJ, knowing full well that she's putting herself at great risk of disease, the question you should be asking yourself is ...WHY DOESN'T SHE CARE????
Could it be that she already has numerous nasty infections and couldn't care less about catching another one?
Well, RN, with all due respect, I don't know that all women are aware of the magnitude of the risks, so her offer may have nothing to do with already being typhoid Mary. She may, as is the case with may guys here, simply be balancing risk with reward -- the odds of catching HIV this way are radically lower than through standard intercourse, everything else won't kill you if you get treatment, and there are plenty of guys who either will pay more for BBBJ or who say they won't go unless it's part of the deal.
And I say this as someone who has gotten the clap from BBBJ.
Rubber Nursey
01-06-04, 06:49
Again I have been caught writing with my "educated western girl from a developed country with a good health system" hat on. I do apologise. That was one of my standard spiels for clients of sex workers who, for the most part, had more than enough sexual health information available to them.
Spank me. I've been bad.
I dunno, RN, I've already got this pretty long list of spankings I owe you. I'm not sure my poor RSI-saddled wrists could hold up should I ever collect... :D
What about the flip side? What about going down on a girl which happens to be a staple of repetoire. I do not practice it indiscrimantely but I have been known to engage in it. Funnily enough, I do think that I once caught a cold that way :(, but it was worth it.
But what says you? Going down on a girl? What are the risks? Does the same apply to the giver of bbbj?
I am happy to announce publicly today that I have had succesfully my three moluscum blisters removed by laser, without any pain at all. According to the doctor, there will be no consequences, except if there was any more blister still unvisible, in process of formation, that might appear soon.
I would actually rather undergo this operation 10 times than going once to the dentist. This Pattaya hospital in Soi 4 is perfect. It all happened with a lot of smiles, quiet voices, slow gestures, sweet words, in the best Thai way, nothing in common with what we know in our Western hospitals. While the cute young nurse was cleanning my pubis, she started to chat me up whith the same english level and same type of questions bar girls use, like where I come from, how old I am and wether I am single or not. Then suddenly I was in a bit of a panic, as I felt a hard on coming, while the doctor was to enter the room any second. Enventually the female doctor in her 30s arrived, and they were both busy working on my pubis, and I was feeling nothing at all . They even used an icing system on the skin, so that I don't feel the needdle of the local anesthesy injection. So sweet... At the end, the doctor told me "Ok, tonight you can shower and... everything as usual". I nearly asked her if I could hospital-fine the nurse, but I thought that the 3500 B bill was enough for today.
RN, thank you for your advice concerning with a condom break.
How many days are given to take precautionary antibiotics? I understand that the sooner the better, but when is it too late?
Good for you Erik.
Congrats. You will sleep better and enjoy life a lot more.
RN,
In reference to getting herpes from a BBBJ, this is certainly possible and does happen.
I've read, however, that if the guy washes the area extensively that night with soap and water that the hepres virus can be literally washed away. Is this actually true or is this just wishful thinking?
Cupid Stunt -- yes, pretty much the same things apply, though there are some important differences as well. I don't believe there are any confirmed transmission of HIV in either direction from cunnilingus, and you need to add Hep B, molluscum contagiosum and chlamydia to the list.
Joe Zop,
If your HIV statistic is correct, I would think it's only because it would be difficult to confirm cunnilingus as being a primary culprit in HIV transmission due to the fact it's often only a prelude of intercorse which is considered a confirmed common spreader. It does not nessisarily mean HIV can not be transmitted this way.
I hear saliva helps kill the virus, but think about it, there is much trauma that goes on in your mouth during regular brushing and flossing (sometimes even bleeding), not unlike the normal trauma and microscopic skin abrasions caused by sex that HIV has been proven to infiltrate. Maybe RN can confirm any risk here.
If you must eat a high risk pussy, an HIV test clinic once recommended to me a product called "dental dam" or the use of an equivelent barrier of non-microwavable plastic wrap. I know that might be akward to incorperate into ones routine, but better safe than sorry. I personally found using it unappealing so I just refrain from eating SW pussy altogether and reserve it exclusively for my girlfriend. Lucky her. LOL!
J Burb
On Deck,
I cant advise on the best removal of a condom after sex other than "carefully", but I have discoved that passing ones condom covered stiffy through the dickhole of your underwear prior to intercorse can help protect the base of your penis and groin region from any potentially hazzardous vaginal fluids or skin to skin contact.
J Burb
J Burb, you may well be correct, as HIV is in vaginal fluids, but of course the number of confirmed infections via blowjob is also very low. A dental dam is definitely safer, and it's really not that hard to incorporate into the routine.
I'm not thrilled, however, with your condom removal process. Given that the fluids you're worried about are on the outside and not inside of the condom, your method would seem to allow those fluids to end up touching clothing which would then be touching you, not to mention staying attached to the clothing. IMHO you're better off simply putting one hand on the top of the condom and rolling it down, then washing your hand. I suppose you could put something on your hand as well, since obviously, unless you're wearing a glove theres some risk of infection via a cut on the hand, but the realistic chances are fairly minimal.
GettingTang
01-08-04, 00:41
I used to take my blowjobs bareback only. In fact if she would not perform a BJ with no condom, I moved on. The sensation is just not the same with a condom. You want to know it's your dick she is sucking on and not a piece of rubber! However, I have in the past few months, changed my position on this. I rarely will even accept a BJ unless a condom is used, or she is hell A clean! And yes I know looks alone cannot determine if a provider is packing a disease.
The reason for this is simple. I used to buy into the theory that HIV could basically not be transmitted via oral sex. We have all heard this in the past. Also we have the CDC boasting about "no documented cases with a male receiving a bj" okay, fine. But what they won't tell you are the hundreds and hundreds of guys out there who claim with almost absolute certainty that they contracted HIV from a blowjob.
However, the CDC will not document their cases. Why? Because if a guy goes and and takes 101 blowjobs all without a condom, all from different girls, (for augments sake, lets say hookers) and he has one sexual intercourse, (EVEN WITH A CONDOM) and then he tests positive for HIV, they will not document the case as being contracted by oral! The reason is because in their little chart they use, oral is safer then intercourse even with a condom! Therefore they cannot with absolute 100% remove the intercourse as the possible transmission source!
Keep in mind in surveys done a few years ago 88% of men who seek P4P are doing so for oral sex! Most say they don't get this service at home, so they seek it elsewhere. (something for you hard-ass wives to think about)
Have you ever noticed how easily gums bleed? You also must assume most SW are not practicing the best oral hygiene. In fact most probably have tooth and gum decay. All it takes is for a small amount of blood to be present in their mouths! How the hell the CDC can run around saying receiving oral sex is safe because there has never been a "documented" case, is beyond me! It's criminal in my opinion. There have probably been tens of thousands of men catch HIV from receiving oral sex. Lots of hookers trying to pass it, lots have drug addiction, lots with bleeding gums, but if this guy ever fucked any of them, even with a condom! No documentation!
Best keep it covered for everything boys!
GETTINGTANG~!
You can really only 'early treat' GC/Chlamydia (there is an emergency prophylaxis protocol for HIV but this is not commonly used). Hep, you're fucked. There is an off the shelf recc for Aldara for molluscum (works on Condyloma) It uses your own body's immune system to take care of the virus. I suppose you could prophylax against Herpes but never seen any studies on it.
Emergency prophylaxis of GC/Chlamydia: It is not a scenario one encounters that often, even in an ER setting. Usually patients are seen who have symptoms or who have a partner who has recently tested positive. Still if one came with that scenario, I wouldn't have a prob in treating it. Funny that most patients seeking the morning after pill aren't concerned about STDs as well.
Standard of care for GC or Chlamydia is the following (usually you are treated for both at the same time);
Rocephin (Ceftriaxone) 125 mg IM OR Cipro 500 mg single dose (Cipro not as advised for SE Asia due to resistance). This is to treat the Gonorrhea
and
Azithromycin 1 gm single dose or Doxycycline 100 mg 2 X a day for 7 days . This is to treat the Chlamydia.
another accepted alternative is Azithromycin 2 gm single dose
I don't recommend guys going around dosing themselves with repeated or long-term prophylaxis because they choose not to wear condoms. You are only contributing to the pool of resistance going that route (one of the reasons Asia has resistance to fluoroquinolones -- overtreatment!).
GettingTang,
I think those 'hundreds and hundreds' of guys who claim to have gotten HIV from a blowjob were giving the BJ, not receiving.
Here's my question. Why on earth would you want to bother with getting a BJ with a condom? Much less paying for it? I fail to see how that is any more enjoyable than staying home and masturbating. (Of course for me the same could be said for intercourse with a condom). It seems to me that the 'is it worth even doing at all' factor comes in somewhere here.
Hi RN & JBurg & Degano and all others thanks for the advice .I do realise the risks involved and like u said who knows what she may be having.I just got checked recently and Thank God nothing to worry about on the report .I will now stop playing with my life and get under covers.Thanks once again for your help and advice in the matter.
On Deck
Opebo,
I think your right on the money with your BJ hunch. In a forum such as this, it's far too easy to overlook the "gay male" factor.
As for CCBJ's I only get them as a novelty just to help warm up before tapping some ass. Mainly because her mouth is there and I can. I would never pay for one by itself however.
J Burb
Can you eliminate or greatly reduce your chances of getting hepres from a BBBJ by extensively washing the area with soap and water immediately after the act? I've read something about this in the past. Is this just a theory or is it a scientific fact? It "sounds" reasonable.
Paddy
Paddy, given that washing hands, towels, etc. after touching a herpes sore one of the ways herpes sufferers are urged to protect their family from non-sexual transmission, that might sound reasonable, but from everything I've read washing and/or [CodeWord112] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112) may reduce but will not eliminate the risk of infection. It can help remove some of the germs that cause some STDs, but it's rather like the rhythm method of contraception -- it works when it works, and it doesn't when it doesn't. Probably still worth doing both, but far from clear protection.
During 20 years in the game, I've had STDs three times in spite of using condoms (and using them correctly, I would claim, but I cannot prove that here). Fortunately all 3 instances were easily curable bacteria. I guess the mechanism is that fluids may seep around the condom, or else "splash around" when the condom was removed. In more recent years I've been disease-free after instituting what I call my "super safe sex" approach. And for those of you who crave BBBJ (or bareback anything), please keep in mind I don't judge you, I only offer the following suggestions for people who, like me, want to minimize their risks.
A first simple rule is to not go with anyone unless she's worth it. My own cutoff is an "8" (on my subjective scale). Whatever the cutoff is, stick with it. Basically the rewards must compensate the risk. Secondly, while condom usage is obviously essential, also important is the pattern of behavior of your sex partner. Does she regularly use condoms ? Does she get checkups ? It is impossible to know for sure, but one can often guess with high confidence. For example, a clean-looking brothel worker in Nevada most likely uses condoms for everything and she knows HOW to use them (water based lubricant, etc.). She most likely gets regular medical checkups. In contrast, the crack-addicted girl in the 'hood who offers BBBJ for $20 does not look good to me. And there's a whole spectrum in between.
Whatever your cutoff is, suppose you've picked up your dream girl, now what ? As a test I usually ask (very politely) for a BBBJ. What I'm looking for is that they say "no, I refuse to do anything without a condom" and they show they have a condom ready. This is a good sign and I may let them do that. However, if they agree readily to BBBJ, my next step is to cut my losses (again very politely to avoid problems). Depending on my mood, this either means giving them the money and asking them to leave, or donning a condom and asking for a hand job at the previously agreed price (the reason being that the girls may use saliva for lubrication without asking). In all cases, the girls are happy to get money for little or no work. Again, I can see some hardcore guys laughing at this, but this is just my personal choice.
Because of my policy, in most cities in the USA. I make do without most of the time in recent years. There are still a few liberal areas in the USA but they are not in my main orbit. The strong LE where I live has produced a 2-tier system which I think is typical. The girls are either high-class escorts costing $300+ or they are very cheap street girls. I don't begrudge anyone the price they can demand, but I cannot afford either.
Travis Bickle 2
01-12-04, 07:41
Paddy, I have to agree with JZ here, although it certainly can't hurt, it very possibly won't help either. [CodeWord112] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112) will help with diseases like syphilis, Gonnorhea, Clamydia, but doesn't help much with herpes. Washing the area might help if it's done immediately after contact but if you're having sex this isn't possible. I mean if your getting a BJ or sex and it lasts fifteen minutes that is plenty of time to get infected. On the other hand if you touched a herpes sore on your thigh and touched your face and immediately wiped it with an alcohol pad it would probably work.
GT, I think its only possible to get HIV from a bbbj if the man has a break in the skin lining of his penis. For example if he has herpes and it's not 100% healed and the SW has bleeding gums then sure transmission would be possible. Even the CDC admits this. Otherwise its almost impossible. HIV is a very fragile virus and cannot survive the journey up the urethra to enter the bloodstream and infect a person. However with millions of men suffering from herpes (and sometimes outbreaks are so minor its barely noticable) it's possible that HIV can be spread this way.
Also, I work in the health care field. I think herpes is not as bad as some people think. Although some people get frequent and severe outbreaks, most people get a few small blisters a couple of times a year which last for a few days. Usually acyclovir taken twice a day prevents outbreaks and you may never have another outbreak again. Valtrex is taken once a day and the same thing. It is being studied as possibly preventing transmission of the virus by shedding which sometimes occurs with herpes. If the clinical trials prove correct not only will you be able to prevent outbreaks but also prevent transmission. Acyclovir is cheap, has almost no side effects and it works.
Civ2K
Let me come back to the "Molluscum contagiosum" mentioned by Erik.
I got this sh*t as well in October in Bangkok. even if it's quite harmless, that was the first STD I got in my life and it gives you a bad feeling. I have the operation in 2 weeks. I could not fuck for 3 months.
Any idea how to avoid contacting that ? I can remember that one of the girl from Sukhumvit always turned off the lights when getting out of the shower. I thought that was because she was shy but I realise I may have been too naive. Next time I will always do an inspection before getting to business.
The rule mentioned below by Snake27 "not go with anyone unless she's worth it" makes sense as well. It does not help fucking as many girls as possible. I will definitely change my behaviour after this first STD experience.
Latrell
Latrell2, the problem is that Molluscum contagiosum is generally spread from close physical contact, but can also come from shared towels, swimming pools, etc. and it's a localized infection (you can get it anywhere on your body except supposedly on the palms of your hands and soles of your feet) so it's not something that you can necessarily prevent with a condom, though that is definitely supposed to help. This means that the only way you're going to be able to really prevent transmission is though a close physical inspection. It's also something that's more prevalent in tropical areas, though it occurs worldwide, so SE Asia is a prime spot.
To me, the main worry would not be that it's rising in occurrence (which is true -- estimates say that between 2% and 8% worldwide over everyone worldwide will get it, including around 5% of US children) but that between 5% and 20% of HIV+ patients have symptomatic molluscum contagiosum. Given that these can be open sores, that would seem to indicate to me a higher than normal possibility for HIV transmission.
BTW, it's also worth noting that there's another infection that appears similar to this one -- penicillium marneffei, a fungal infection which is supposedly the third most common among HIV patients in SE Asia. Penicillium marneffei can be transmitted via respiration and is endemic in Thailand.
Now, that doesn't mean your Sukhumvit honey was hiding anything from you -- as I'm sure you know Thai women are often quite shy, not to mention naive about such diseases. No question at all that Snake27's approach is one that increases safety, but I don't know how many of us are willing to go to that extreme. Personally, I figure I'm accepting some degree of risk by having multiple partners and that condoms and visual inspection can help minimize, but not eliminate that risk.
This is a close up photo I took of the vaginal area of a SW in Guangzhou, China. No I didn't do her after seeing this, bag or no bag. See my report in that section if you want the details.
PLEASE BE FOREWARNED, this is a shocking photo: sores containing puss, vaginal exudate, etc. I didn't want to post it, but several people asked for it after my report. I hope its taken as a public service announcement. Its out there waiting for us every day, good brothers.
Be careful out there.
Cronin
Cronin
I am not a doctor but it look like she has a case of herpes..full blowned. Just my USD$0.03. Thanks for having the courage to share and inform us mongers...
Travis Bickle 2
01-25-04, 01:14
Definately a severe case of genital herpes. You can see the sores that have healed as well. Acyclovir capsules taken three or four times a day for a week as well as Zovirax ointment applied directly to the affected site should clear it right up and she'll be as good as new. In addition if she continues taking two acylovir tablets a day, chances are she can prevent from coming back.
Cronin,
Thanks. We've all seen such pictures on various websites, but for me at least, it hit home a lot more, seeing it here (and seeing it posted by you, since we mongered together once). Because of your picture, I will be damn certain to do a full inspection, in full lighting next time.
I'm not a Dr. but I think your buddy Johnny "the King" of GZ may know one in your area.
Thanks for the community service. We all should do this if we ever come across a sour pussy.
Lucky,
I remember that day, it was great, looking foward to seeing you again sometime buddy.
I always TRY to do an inspection, but truthfully it is usually just because I want to see the beautiful liitle pussy, not really for health reasons. Oh sure, I always SAY its a health inspection, but I'm just in love with the female anatomy, as are we all.
However, from now on it WILL be a health inspection, damn straight on that. The problem is that some ST rooms don't really have lights, maybe a little night lite thing. So you can't see too much. I'm thinking about carrying a little pen light with me now, if I can find one in China.
That's one more thing to remember before I leave the house...pen light, extra condoms, vitamin V, lubricant, not too much cash, map, wash moby...what did I forget? Oh yeah, that damn camera!
I'm going to the local pharmacy to buy some Acyclovir for my little friend. I'm almost certain I saw it there before. I just called her to tell her she had herpes, and amazingly she understood. (The word is paozhen). I'll have to make her understand the dosage schedule, that will be a hell of a lot more difficult.
Cronin
I forgot: Thank You Civ2000! You really helped!
Cronin: You have provided probably the best public service here so far of all posters. Interesting and sad how she (has to) deny it
Oh God(pardon me Rev Skinless), but that's one of the sickest images I've seen on this website. I'll be sure to wash my doodle very carefully from now on.
In all honestly Cronin, I think it’s best she goes to a STD clinic or gynaecologist. Also because a member on this thread posted about Molluscum contagiosum. I visited the respective website and some of those yellowish/white heads could be that. She needs proper diagnosis and immediate treatment.
Your posting of the photo was in good judgement.
Guys,
I just got home from taking the Acyclovir over to her. I also bought some antibacterial douche, I forget the chemical name, its a common one. The two week supply of Acyclovir plus the douche came to about 50RMB (about $5 American).
She was really appreciative and the mama was happy and her other "sister" was happy. Mama kept telling her to listen to me because I knew what I was talking about. Of course, I was just parroting what you guys told me, so their appreciation should go to you guys too.
I made her repeat the daily dose schedule to me about 10 times, until she was sick of that game. Mama and "sister" are on board. I think we did a good thing here guys. Thanks again.
Hey, NYC: Thanks for that comment. I was beginning to delude myself into thinking I had solved this. But you are absolutely correct about taking her to the clinic. Thanks to you, that will happen.
Cronin
Travis Bickle 2
01-26-04, 08:22
Cronin, Your welcome. I'm glad I could help. I've seen lots of cases of herpes and thats what this is. It's definately not Molluscum. Let me know how the Acyclovir works. I think within two days there should be improvement. The blisters will then drain and scab over and within a week should be barely noticable.
Just a quick disclaimer however: I am not a medical doctor and my advice is not a substitute for seeing a qualified physician.
Civ2K
OldAsiaHand
01-26-04, 09:00
Cronin,
Looking at the pic makes me start to wonder what the hell we are doing with these girls at all. Especially the ones we frequent so often at the low end of the market. Very scary stuff. Although I very rarely DATY and never go BB, it still worries me. I never conduct a close-up examination; ruins the mood for me so to speak. I better start doing it anyway!
I would imagine that most girls in her position might be in self-denial in these circumstances. Fear of losing face probably keeps her from going to a clinic or sharing her dilemna with other girls. It's great that you took things in your own hands, but I would still get her to a doctor for a proper check. There may be more going on there than meets the eye.
Thanks for sharing and waking us up, my friend!
OAH
Cronin,
You deserve highest commendation caring about her condition and taking her to a physician.
Please post the diagnosis if you find out since this is a learning process for us all. Thanks.
The Risks & The Facts.
The Risks: HIV, Sphilis and Hepatits B
CMP = Client of male prostitue
CFP = Client of female prostitue
The HIV-positive rate is 36.6% among CMP and 2.9% among CFP.
Syphilis seromarkers is about 15.9% of CMP and 10.1% of CFP.
Hepatitis B seromarkers were identified in 58.0% of CMP and 24.6% of CFP.
**rates are higher in sub-saharan africa***
What you can do about your risks:
1. Condoms lower your risk. Going bareback is stupid.
2. Get your Hep B vaccine
3. Anal sex Male or Female is highest risk.
4. Get a STD check once a year.
5. It's your choice.
Biblography: (for further reading)
AIDS Educ Prev. 1997 Oct; 9(5): 411-23. Related Articles, Links
Condom use by Dutch men with commercial heterosexual contacts: determinants and considerations.
de Graaf R, van Zessen G, Vanwesenbeeck I, Straver CJ, Visser JH.
The Netherlands Institute of Mental Health and Addiction (Trimbos-instituut), Utrecht, The Netherlands.
J Acquir Immune Defic Syndr Hum Retrovirol. 1999 Feb 1; 20(2): 195-200.
HIV seroprevalence and risk factors among clients of female and male prostitutes. Elifson KW, Boles J, Darrow WW, Sterk CE.
Department of Sociology, Georgia State University, Atlanta 30303, USA. sockwe@langate.gsu.edu
Musicco M for the Italian Partners' Study. Oral contraception, IUD, condom use and man to woman transmission of HIV infection. Presented at the Sixth International Conference on AIDS; June 21, 1990; San Francisco, Calif. Abstract ThC584.
Techie Guy
01-27-04, 06:05
Hi guys,
I'm been to some normal drugstores (not chinese medicine) but still all the names and things look chinese to me.
How do you ask (or brands) for acyclovir (pills and/or cream) in Shanghai.
Also related: I'm starting to have a bit of fungus in one of my toes and I also wanted to get something like canesten (Clotrimazol), againno idea how to do it over here :) (http://www.canesten.com/)
Thanks in advance for your help guys :)
Tech:
I went to a large, professional looking chain store pharmacy in GZ. I forget its name, but its "something" Er Tian. I know that some of the clerks speak English, but this was not my lucky day. However, when I wrote the word "Acyclovir" on a piece of paper, he went straight to the shelf and got it for me. I wouldn't try to ask for the brand name.
Getting the antibacterial douche was really difficult because I couldn't remember the chemical name or what the package looked like. I had brought my Chinese/English dictionary. So I looked up various words around the idea of vaginal infections and they finally got the idea. It wasn't easy though.
Fungus? I would use the same technique I just outlined.
Cronin
Techie Guy
01-29-04, 03:27
Heh eh fungus? Sorry, english is not my main language :P.
Is something called athletes foot?
He He, sorry about my english, whats this?
"antibacterial douche"
Techie Guy
01-31-04, 03:46
Hey, do you guys know of any new research in the area of herpes, etc? I don't know like cure for ever research / investigations happening right now.
EDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions to add standard capitalization throughout the text. To avoid delays in future reports, please refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no capital lettering. Thanks!
Hi all, I thought this might be appropriate for this thread. :)
A crank with armor will never harm her
Before getting drastic, wrap it in plastic
Before getting laid, wrap up your spade
Before you attack her, wrap your whacker
Bodies shouldn't go slapping unless peter's got his wrapping
Cover your stump before you hump
Don't be a fool, vulcanize your tool
Dont be like Johnny, put on a connie
Don't be a loner, cover your boner
Don't make a mistake, cover your snake
Don't be silly, protect your willy
Especially in December, gift wrap your member
If you can't shield your rocket, leave it in your pocket
If you go into heat, package your meat
If you really love her, wear a cover
If you slip between her thighs, be sure to condomize
If you think she's spunky, cover your monkey
If you're gonna have it off, have it on
If you're not going to sack it, go home and whack it
It will be sweeter if you wrap your peter
Never ever deck her with an unwrapped pecker
No glove, no love!
Sex is cleaner with a packaged wiener
She won't get sick if you wrap your dick
The right selection will protect your erection
When in doubt, shroud your spout
When you take off her pants and blouse, slip up your trouser mouse
While you're undressing Venus, dress up your penis
Wrap it in foil before checking her oil
You can't go wrong if you shield your dong
You could get a germ if you don't cover your worm
You might wind up dead if you don't shield your head
Organicgrowth
02-05-04, 00:49
Hey Sainter,
Excellent. Everyline a winner. Good advice nicely delivered.
Regards, Havanaman
This is a picture similar to Cronin's. It shows a case of genital herpes.
Hi had a question .How risky is it to come in a gals mouth ? Lets say you are havin sex with a condom on and just before you come you take it off and the gal blows you to finish in her mouth or you come in her mouth by jacking off but still her tongue/lips touches your penis while cuming and after cuming .What is the risk factor here .Would appreciate a reply .
I'll tell you guys why safe sex is necessary. My mother who is 35 here in Australia got pregrant to a guy from the states just a few months ago. I am curious if in America soldiers get women pregnant often. This is due to my mother and one of her friends falling pregrant to a member of the American navy who was in Australia on a naval expedition or maybe you guys love Australian women
Hi Chaps,
I'm curious. On reading the last few pages here I'm hearing a lot about HIV, STDs etc and whether they can be contracted by bbbj etcetcetc.
Ok, we've got some chronicled cases here of herpes, clamydia etecetc, but never any actual stories of anyone, their buddies etc, all hetero, actually contracting HIV. I've read about one or two cases of people dying by natural causes or accident but no deaths by HIV.
So despite all this information we have here about what you should do or not do with condoms, potential risks we take etecetc, does in fact anyone contract or die from HIV in places like Pattaya.
I, for one, would like to know some hard facts and statistics. Has anyone got any for a place like Pattaya? Otherwise I find all this stuff very hard to believe. I don't see numbers of farang drastically dropping away from Pattaya for these very kinds of reasons, when they do for sars or suchlike. If people are going away and dying in their home countries, I've never heard or read a scrap of information about it over the years.
Now, I could very well be wrong, and may have missed a crucial reading here or somewhere. If so please direct me to the article with the hard facts.
Otherwise I find all this very hard to believe.
Has anyone got any personal experiences of buddies catching HIV at say, Pattaya? Or anything at all.
Otherwise I'm sure we should all be scared shitless and not coming here at all, or enjoying very limited sex: no soapies, no massages, no bbbjs, no DATY without barriers, no sex (it seems) even with condoms, almost nothing.
Now I also read lots of stories about guys with freelancers specializing in freelancers etecetc (who supposedly pose the biggest risk). Surely such large numbers of mongers wouldn't be doing it if there wasn't some kind of a scare. Now I would find it pretty hard to believe that these guys are foolhardy and irrational or whatever. But I never hear any bad stories on this or any other board.
So what is the truth?? (before I go rambling on.....)
Or is this board just full of a load of scaremongering?
Red Rex,
About the best place to answer your array of questions would be at a site run for students at Columbia University in New York. It's www.goaskalice.columbia.edu The site is run and supervised by the Columbia College of Physicians and Surgeons. They're non-judgemental and cover just about every sexual question known to humanity - it seems. Click on "Sexual Health" and you'll get a real sojourn through the field of human sexuality.
The respondents are real live MD's and the site is definitely worth your time. As far as getting AIDS from a BBBJ, they state that the odds are almost "non-existent." Hepres and other STD's are a definite threat, however.
Scary Bald Guy
02-17-04, 05:20
Possibly stupid question here, but I really would appreciate some info. *Warning*: fairly graphic description follows.
During October and November 2003, I suffered (*boy* did I suffer) from epididymitis. The infection eventually cleared up after a 3-week course of antibiotics, the pain and swelling took a few weeks longer. During this time, I wore a jock pretty much 24/7. As my scrotum was very badly swollen, the skin rubbed on the jock, causing an edemic cyst to form. The cyst ruptured, but left a puckered scar as it healed. No, I won't attach a pic. :P
My question is this: Is a worker likely to look at this scar during the DC and freak out, thinking I'm still infected or otherwise being less than honest?
Organicgrowth
02-17-04, 19:53
Scary Bald Guy,
Depends on the size / nature / specific location of the scar. If it is like the top of a burst spot (zit), then I guess your provider may not even see it. If its more “linear” like a cut, then it will be more visible assuming your sac is not too hairy. Also if the scar is front and forward there is greater chance it can be seen. A test might be to get an erection and look at yourself in a mirror...
A little lie here may do the trick for you: “I’ve had a vasectomy, this is the scar…”. No harm done. After all how many lies will the provider have told you? (Oh.. baby your so big, I love you / it… you really made me cum…) the list is endless!
Regards, Havanaman
Travis Bickle 2
02-18-04, 03:27
Cronin,
It's been about three weeks since you posted the photo of the gal with the sores. I think we'd all appreciate an update on the girl's condition. Did the acyclovir work? Did she get checked out by a doctor and if so what was the diagnosis? How is she now?
Thanks in advance.
Civ2K
Rubber Nursey
02-18-04, 07:15
Scary Bald Guy,
Although I believe sexual health education for sex workers is absolutely, positively imperative...I've always found that the more educated you are about diseases, the more panicked you're likely to get when you find a suspicious lump or bump on a client!
If your scar is rounded and shiny and kind of concave in the middle, an observant sex worker MAY confuse it with molluscum. If you're really, really worried, then it may be an idea to get a short note from a doctor to say what it is (tell the doc your girlfriend was worried and wanted proof, or something!) and take it with you to future bookings.
But really I would just suggest that right before the DC, you tell the girl about the scar straight out. Show her where it is and tell her how you got it. Do it in a friendly manner and don't be worried about being a little embarrassed...it will only lend credibility to your story.
Honesty is always the best policy! :)
Hey guys,
Also carry those convienent little hand sanitizing gels with you. Remember these females are touching other guys genitals which could possible spread herpes or HPV (human papillomavirus - Genital warts). Have them clean their hands before touching your stuff.
I have not had a problem with them using it. They seem to like using the gel.
Those antibacterial handwipes are a good thing too!
Sound Stream #2
02-19-04, 12:51
HIV might be a little harder to get with bare back blow jobs, but other STDs are catchable that way.
Gonorrhea is catchable orally bare back since it can live in the both the linings of the back of the throat and in the vagina. So bareback oral sex isn't really all that safe when you take that into account.
More related info at:
http://www.soc.ucsb.edu/sexinfo/?article=stds&refid=015
http://www.dph.sf.ca.us/sfcityclinic/stdbasics/gonorrhea.asp
I've been studying genital herpes through resources such as the internet over the past few days. I had symptoms a few days ago that I thought might be herpes. I went to my doctor and after examining me he said it was not likely herpes, but he prescribed Famvir just in case. He would not draw blood to be sure. He said it was most likely a bacterial infection. After all the studying I've done on herpes and other STD's, I believe I may have syphilis instead. I am going out to a clinic this week to get checked out. In researching herpes, I have serious questions as to the validity of the so-called expert analysis that has been done. Supposedly these are the generally accepted statistics here in the U.S.: Between 45 and 50 million people currently have genital herpes. Between 500,000 and 1 million new cases are assumed each year. Many cases are asymptomatic, and go undiagnosed. Here is the problem:It is alleged that there is a 1 in 20 chance of spreading HSV to others even without a current outbreak. Does this mean a 1 in 20 chance of a particular person spreading it, or a 1 in 20 chance that each time an infected person has sex with an uninfected person he or she would get it? Let's split the statistics, and say perhaps 47.5 million people have HSV, and there are 750,000 new cases each year. That would mean 1 in 63 people afflicted with HSV would spread it to someone else. Since most of the new cases are in their teens to mid 20's, it would be assumed that these are part of a demographic that would have the most sex partners per year. If the average person with HSV had sex about 80 times per year (I had to go low with that figure, in order to take into consideration those that may not have very active sex lives), that would mean that those with HSV would account for having sex 3.8 billion times. Those partners having sex who both have HSV, would account for 2 times having sex, each time they had sex with each other. Those 750,000 new cases would have combined (at 80x having sex per year) for 60 million sex acts with an infected person. Of course those new cases are more likely to have sex a lot more than 80 times per year, considering the age group that accounts for the majority of new cases. I have a serious problem believeing the accepted statistics of HSV in terms of the accepted number of cases and the claims that its highly contagious. It would seem that the chance of contracting it from someone without an outbreak would be anywhere between 5000 to 1, and 10,000 to 1. Not the 5% that is accepted as fact. Other countries have widely disputed the rates of infection that the U.S. has long accepted.
Organicgrowth
02-29-04, 23:06
Baltimonger,
Interesting deductions. I would agree with much of your postulation.
However, I must add that with a USA population of 281421906 (year 2000 census: according to the USA Census Bureau) your statistic of 45 – 50 million people currently having genital herpes would represent between 15.9 – 17.7% of that population: too many IMHO. By the way people between say 18 – 24 years of age (9.6% of people) i.e. 27,016,503
I accept the ideas behind your calculations. I further agree with the notion that the USA 1:20 is wrong, and that 5000:1, and 10,000:1 are more realistic numbers.
Regards, Havanaman
Here are 2 resources for herpes information.
Center for Disease Control:
http://www.cdc.gov/std/Herpes/STDFactHerpes.htm
American Social Health Association:
http://www.ashastd.org/stdfaqs/herpes.html
Today, March 9, there is a big article on the spread of AIDS in the Caribbean. Even though the article is aimed more at the rising problem in Dominican Republic, may this be another reminder to don't be silly, wrap your willy!
http://www.washingtontimes.com/world/20040308-092628-5479r.htm
Organicgrowth
03-09-04, 19:48
Hysteromania,
Without any shadow of a doubt you are right: play covered or worse things than it dropping off might happen.
I saw some recent posts and pics from guys extolling the virtues of bare-back intercourse / anal. If they have no self respect, then perhaps they might consider having a little more respect for the chicas and mongers that follow.
Its just not worth it.
Regarding the article: interesting.
I’m not sure I agree with Dr. Jean Pape’s figures: quote: “According to Dr. Jean Pape, a leading anti-AIDS crusader, his treatment centers succeeded in reducing infection rates from 6.2 percent in 1993 to 2.9 percent in the past year”. In my experience epidemiological statistics tend to be ill explained. This would seem to be the case with the data at hand in this article. We know that once you have HIV, its yours for life. “infection rate” is not defined: infection by what? HIV? If so, then his data points to patient numbers decreasing as they die, not as they get “better”. If by “infection rates” he means other (non HIV) infections (which most AIDS patients die from) then OK. His centres would seem to be offering a benefit to the patients, not to the HIV rate.
In any case I for one will not be going to Hispaniola the epicenter of the epidemic...
Regards, Havanaman
Travis Bickle 2
03-09-04, 23:59
HavannaMan, The infection rates mentioned are the percentages of sexually active people who contract HIV infection in a given year. It has nothing to do with numbers decreasing as people die or the opportunistic infections people with AIDS get.
Chances are the treatment that has resulted in the lower numbers is better information., i.e., people using condoms, practicing safe sex, monogamy, etc.
For example in the gay bathhouses in San Francisco the infection rate used to be a whopping 35% or something like that. Although no cure was found, as soon as the word got out that there was a fatal STD killing people, the infection rate went way down. Why? Education and condom use.
Civ2K
Hi,
I've finally decided to try MPs this time. Shall be in Bangkok this weekend. Do I have a chance to get any disease becuase of this?
Can I get AIDS/STD if do the tub thing? I'll avoid penetrative sex anyway.
Please respond. No cynicism.
Thanks
King Arthur
03-26-04, 07:12
Probability of Getting Herpes
(this was posed in the Tijuana, Mexico forum but I'm reposting here for the benefit of others).
A study done on 144 heterosexual couples where one had herpes and the other didn't (and took pains to avoid skin-to-skin contact with lesions) showed that 14 had got it after 1 year: a 10% annualized rate. If we consider that a couple fucts about once a week, then each individual sex session has a risk of (10%)/52 in a year, which is pretty low. However, if we use the 10%/year figure, then after 10 years 65% of couples will be infected with herpes. After 22 years, it's 90% probability of getting herpes. Therefore, an old-timer monger should expect to have a 90% probability of getting herpes if he's been at it once a week for 22 years (while catiously avoiding lesions) with someone he knows to have herpes. Another important factor is gender. Women are 3 times more likely to get it than men. If we knew what % of girls have herpes, then we can get the probabilities down to a more definite number. Note that the above stats is based on having sex with someone you know to have herpes.
Some factors that work in our favor is the relatively high turnover of bar girls.
Maybe the girls burn out from the work.
Anyhow, the fresh girls should be cleaner, which decreases the risk to much less than 10% a year. If 1/4 girls have herpes, then the annual risk is 10%/4= 2.5% (assuming safe sex and avoidance of lesions).
On the other hand, one might just as easily get herpes doing a girl you pick up in the US at the local mall/bar/school since it's so prevalent.
King Arthur
03-28-04, 19:59
Suggestions for DATY: a thin layer
In general, you should not daty, bbbj, or anything unprotected with any of these girls. However, if you still plan to daty, then I would advise you to bring some saran wrap to cover the pussy. Have a good generous portion, about 8" X 6". I would only do protected daty on a club girl. She certainly will appreciate the protection because she's afraid when saliva and mouth (and perhaps some blood or bacterial/viral STDS?) is on her pussy. Think about all the other guys that have datyied her. Some use drugs. Others don't have good hygiene, i.e. gums may bleed. People who don't floss regularly will tend to have bleedy gums.
In the future, additionally, I plan to use an 8"x8" to cover my entire groin area. Simply rip a small hole in the 8"x8" and put your johnson in the middle of it. This will further decrease your risk from skin-skin contact.
The riskiest skin-skin contact is genital/genital, genital/oral, and oral/oral. If you minimize your skin-skin contact, you will minimize your risk for HPV, herpes, HIV (incurable viruses), and hopefully curable bacteria (if caught early).
Word of caution: saran wrap is not at strong as latex condoms, so may be subject to more breakage. Be easy on it with the tongue, and/or use a double layer of it. The nice thing about saran wrap is its transparency, unlike a dental dam.
Arthur
King Arthur
03-29-04, 20:16
This was originally posted in the TJ section, but I'm reposting here for everybody's benefit.
Re: little vs big head
Pokey,
I respectfully seriously disagree with your line of thinking. Although I do believe in the pleasure principle to a certain extent, I believe the big head should overcome the little head.
DFK and DATY are very dangerous. Small cuts in the mouth you don't even notice are easy pathways to viral/bacterial infection. Mucous membranes in the nose and mouth are also easy sites of infection.
Herpes and warts can be aquired by simple skin-skin contact. All the virus needs is a live skin cell to land on. The virus will then use a sharp tail piece functioning as a syringe to inject its genetic material into the host cell and start multiplying exponentially: 1 to 100 to 10,000 to 1 million in the lytic cycle. The virus uses the host cell's DNA as the material to assemble its own phage particles. Fortunately, our outter skin surface is composed of dead skin cells, which act as a good barrier because virus cannot use dead skin cells to multiply.
Herpes tends to be fast acting, showing symptoms in 2-10 days, whereas HPV/warts takes weeks and as long as 8 months to show symptoms.
Treat this as a dangerous hobby, such as mountain climbing. Be prepared and be safe.
Arthur
KingArthurad,
In the TJ section you say that DATY and DFK are dangerous. How much danger can you get into with DFK? You have me concerned now, I have a daughter in her teen years, do I tell her the dangers of french kissing, along with STD's and teen pregnancy.
I have a son also, do I tell him when he goes off with his date, to not forget the saran wrap if you want to engage in DFK?
Travis Bickle 2
03-29-04, 22:40
KingArthurad, While I agree with your suggestions for avoiding STD's completely, I feel that licking a piece of saran wrap is just not the same as DATY. I'm a guy who simply loves eating pussy. I don't do it because the gal enjoys it, I do it because I enjoy it. The taste, the smell, the texture, everything about it. It is rare these days that I will do it with a pro but when I start having to wrap it in plastic is the day I give it up for good. Some good advice I heard from a hooker I was asking to let me DATY: she said no and then she said the ones that will let you DATY are the very ones you want to avoid. I read recently on another thread (I forget which one) that the ones you want to avoid are the ones that offer bbbj and bbfs or allow you to daty, because they are doing these acts with everyone; probably already have numerous diseases and simply don't care if they pass something on to you; and are generally a ticking time bomb.
As far as the 8 x 8 plastic over your groin area: are you going to tape the corners up so it doesn't fall off. It reminds me of those old movies showing the Catholics on their wedding night. They would put a sheet over the entire body of the bride and cut a hole just big enough to expose the vagina. This might work as well. However, when it comes to this I will just give up picking up hookers.
Lastly, a very significant percentage of the population carries the herpes virus and shows no symptoms but can pass on the disease. You really can't even be safe with the girl next door. As far as DFK, I wouldn't worry about it.
Civ2000
Travis Bickle 2
03-29-04, 23:36
Quote: "Some factors that work in our favor is the relatively high turnover of bar girls.
Maybe the girls burn out from the work.
Anyhow, the fresh girls should be cleaner, which decreases the risk to much less than 10% a year. If 1/4 girls have herpes, then the annual risk is 10%/4= 2.5% (assuming safe sex and avoidance of lesions)."
In the general population the rate of herpes infection is greater than 1 in 4. In Tijuana bar girls I wouldn't be surprised if the rate is 80% or better; even amongst the fresh ones.
Civ2000
The bottom line, statistically speaking, is that the older you (or providers) are, the more likely it is you've got herpes. Since it's incurable, and since exposure increases over time for anyone who's sexually active with multiple partners, this makes sense.
But somehow the concept that I'm going to be with a bar girl who's only had sex with a thousand guys as opposed to the one who just left who'd done it with six thousand or so isn't exactly comforting in terms of feeling like I'm less exposed. In addition, in the cited study we're talking about couples who both knew infection was a risk and took pains to prevent it. I can't say the same scenario is necessarily there with bar girls.
I also must say that the calculated stats that KingArthurad gives in terms of exposure are pretty much meaningless, IMHO. In the study cited we're talking about monogamous couples, which means they've all got a fairly standard pattern of sexual behavior, which can include, for example, using a condom well or badly. To compare that to someone who has many different partners adds a great deal of uncertainty into the equation. I note this because, for example, there are other studies which have shown that despite the fact that condoms are basically completely effective at stopping sperm, 3 to 14 women out of 100 who use condoms for pregnancy prevention end up getting pregnant. This is not generally due to breakage, but inconsistent or incorrect usage. It's highly likely that the infection numbers in the herpes study result from similar issues, so I'm not at all sanguine about how much such a study can really be extrapolated for a monger's purposes.
I say this to note that our best bet is truly learning how to properly manage the protections we use, as they won't help us if we screw them up!
I guess I'm one of the lucky few because I don't have herpes, and I have been at this hobby for at least 20 years. I usually always ask for a BBJ, and get that most of the time. I use a condom 93% of the time engaging in sex. In my younger days it was about 50%. DATY and DFK are recent sexual experiences I do, last 5 years or so.
I don't ever have sex with a girl who has been with a guy 6 thousand times, and I hope I haven't been with someone who has been with 1000 guys, but I don't think the girl or I keep count.
KingArthurad and I do different bar girls. He goes to AB in Tijuana, where they have plenty of girls, rated 6-9 that most of the tourist in the know from the U.S. go, and Mexicans with money. You walk up to the girl, say hi, and she asked if you want to go upstairs. You don't even have to buy a drink. Some of these hot girls, go up 8-10 times a night, most rated 6-8 go up at least twice a night.
I go to the bars where the locals go, where only spanish is usually spoken, and the girls main job is dancing with the locals for $1, most of these girls have been in the city for less then two weeks, or two months. They are rated 4-8, mostly regular young girls, who don't always go upstairs. If they go upstairs its only maybe 1 time all day.( the rated 8's go up a lot because the word is speading.) The girls I choose usually treat me like they do to their boyfriend back home, the sex is good and fun.
They usually get depressed from being away from home, and not making big money, that most of the girls go back home.( I just wait for the next bus arrival with young 18-20 year olds.)
Bored in LB
03-31-04, 23:56
Does anyone know where I can get STD testing for free or for low cost in Los Angeles or Long Beach?
Member #1050
04-01-04, 07:31
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This is revolutionary! It changes everything.
PUNTHERS ,
I have been searching for the best condom in the market for years. I've bought those sampler packs for ages. All the time looking for the perfect one. kimono, extra thin, and some other exotic ones.
I have used them all, the best condom is not one at all. But in the real world we have to protect our little missile from harm.
I have tried many different brands over the years. Doing some testing.
I can not contain my enthusiasm for a new condom that just came out.
It is the brand "Maximum" from Durex.
This condom is fucking awesome!. It is one that is extra thin with extra lubricant. The novelty of this condom is that you can feel the warmth of the pussy , or the girl's warmth mouth when blowing you. I swear to you, I thought the condom had come off during fucking. The girl even told me she felt the pressure of the hot cum spurt when I came. She promptly touched with her hand to make sure the condom was still on. Moreover , during the BJ, I swear to you I felt as good as a bbbj (the girl is quite good though) maybe 95% as good as bareback without any worries.
Anyhow, this is the first review I give to a condom. I hope you try it as reducing the risk of STD's , reduces the cost of the hobby for all (less doctor's appointments, or treatment for those that get something). Less cost for the providers, better prices for us Punthers.
This is a public service announcement to enjoy sex more, and reduce risk (cost) to everyone.
Reposted from Philadelphia AMP Section for everyone's benefit:
Regarding the Big "H":
Jim Neighbors, Itiner Han is totally right. Once you get the H, you're in it for life. There is no cure yet (there has been some lukewarm success in europe with superoxide treatment but that is still far from approved yet). Like HIV, there is no pill to take that will keep HSV away.
Anyway, here's the lowdown on HSV.
HSV1 is the virus that *usually* causes the cold sores and HSV2 is the one that *usually* causes genital herpes, although I think because of the increase in the practice of oro-genital sex, specially during the last couple of decades, I have seen both these types frequently in both places (oral and genital).
You can contract HSv 1 or 2 by coming in contact with the liquid from inside a Herpes sore, either oral or genital. Therefore, if you avoid any contact with the sore, you should be safe. This, however, is actually harder than you'd think cause sometimes sores are not visible and the infected partner might not tell you that they have an active sore. So really it boils down to two options... either have a truthful partner that tells you when they are having an outbreak, or avoid having oral/genital contact, period.
This holds true even for covered FS; its simply not possible to cover the whole genital area just to be sure; you can put on a condom but the area around would still not be covered. BBBJs or covered BJs are a *little less* risky (although still not totally "safe") since you can atleast look for the sores. You could also technically try this approach at the Y if the lady is shaved. I had a GF for 2+ years who had HSV2 (and told me about it at the start) and I managed to not get HSV by using the same techniques above.
The only real way to "protect" yourself from getting infected if having sex with an infected partner is to have them take valacyclovir (Valtrex) for about a week to suppress any outbreaks. Good luck trying this approach on an AMP chick!
As to anyone who has contracted Herpes, please be considerate and avoid sex until the sores are gone. Also PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make sure that your significant other, if pregnant, is protected. This is a bloody mean thing to give to your newborn.
Education, as always, is the best prevention. I suggest spending some time on the following links from WebMD for all.
HSV Info...
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/52/49875?z=1814_00000_0014_f1_07
Info on all STDs...
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/10/2953_511?z=1814_00000_0014_f1_06
Good luck all and be safe!
Dr. Evil
hi,
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i have never done this before and looking forward a good advise.
my e-mail address is: [email address deleted by admin]
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Organicgrowth
04-29-04, 15:37
my kind,
the risk is higher.
if the infection is active then the chance of you getting some virus, or viral material through the [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) is always going to be there. many toxins / biochemical tests rely on the [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) as the source substance. this goes for many std test. consider some of the symptoms of many of the std’s: there may be a discharge which invariably will pass with the [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) if an infection exists.
although initially sterial, [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) is contaminated on its way out and when it is out of the body. i would not taste, have in my mouth or indeed drink the stuff if i were you.
regards,
havanaman
Thanks Havanaman,
I may be taking too much risk because of a silly desire.
Thanks again for the advise.
My Kind
Faguotonio
05-14-04, 14:52
Hi everybody,
I just got something strange in fact, a mycosis called "Candida Albicans". To cure this stuff, I would need an antifungal like Diflucan or something like that. The best would be to take one orally and the other with a cream. I am living in China, I have no idea about what kind of thing i can find here. But I can go to HK if I need, as I am living in Shenzhen.
Please, any help would be appreciated.
Thanks to all. Play safe.
Antoine
Faguotonio,
There is nothing strange about what you have. It is just a yeast infection. most women get them more than once in their life, and although it is less common in men, it really isn't a big deal. Since it is so common, it shouldn't be hard to find the cream you need. I imagine that even in China, they have medicine for yeast infections.
Organicgrowth
05-19-04, 15:50
Faguotonio,
Like Bradman says its not anything unusual, so I wouldn’t worry too much about it. However don’t ignore it, get the treatment form where ever you can: go online if you need to. The last thing you want to do it spread it…
Best wishes.
Regards,
Havanaman
Plain White Guy
05-20-04, 16:48
I was asked to cross post this here:
A fellow forum-ee had asked how to find a FullText for the article:
ABSTRACT: A common bar soap and tap water solution was able to demonstrate a 30-fold human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) inactivation", (Virucidal Efficacy of Soap and Water against HIV in Genital Secretions, Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy, Oct 2003, p. 3321-3322, Vol. 47, No. 10)
Any my reply was...
The article that Cube was looking for --
The abstract:
http://aac.asm.org/cgi/content/abstract/47/10/3321
The article (PDF):
http://aac.asm.org/cgi/reprint/47/10/3321
The article (HTML):
http://aac.asm.org/cgi/content/full/47/10/3321
To hit the highlights, the UnclePiercedAbstract (tm) says... The Ivory soap and water treatment seemed to show a 30 fold "inactivation" of the HIV virus. In fact, they used a weaker soap solution (1/1000) and a stronger soap solution (1/200) and the stronger one did noticably better.
For those of you wishing to show people up in the forum in the future, you can find an article to support damn near anything. Try searching Medline.
Medline:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/PubMed/
I will cross post this in the AIDS forum.
Pierced
Member 1050,
Where did you buy Durec "Maximum", I have tried chemist today and durex web site but to no avail!
Pilok,
You can go to this web site and check it out http://www.ripnroll.com/DurexMaximum.htm . It costs $23.95 for 36 condoms. Also, Ebay has some really cheap prices for quality Durex condoms.
Member #1050
05-23-04, 23:42
Pilok,
Do search in google for "durex maximum" , you will get many hits. I bought them at Rite-aid store. You can buy them on the web too.
This is from drugstore, I think they are reputable.
http://www.drugstore.com/qxp77266_333181_sespider/durex/maximum_lubricated_latex_condoms.htm
Keep costs low for everyone, use protection.
Organicgrowth
05-24-04, 10:53
Gentlemen,
I remember when safe sex was a padded headboard.
“Those were the days my friend, we thought they’d never end…” {how wrong we were..} LOL.
Regards, Havanaman
I am curious to know which countries you think have the lowest STD rates. I have done a little research but it hasn't really been conclusive.
Organicgrowth
05-31-04, 14:35
Inteller,
I for one have never looked into the subject at a serious level. However I can tell you that a number of my medical friends have commented on the increasing number of young females at G.U.M in France. I guess this may be pan-European, but I have no evidence of that.
If I had to make a selection, I would guess, and it is a total guess, that countries who frown on premarital sex would have low STD rates. So countries of the Arab gulf come to mind.
If you have looked into this please share your research: it will be much appreciated and useful to the whole forum.
Regards, Havanaman
There's a little work that's been done on this, but it's far from comprehensive as much as I can tell. No one is really collecting this data, it seems.
The WHO did a report a couple of years ago that broke things down by region, but that's the best thing I've ever been able to find. The most relevant numbers seem to be the estimated incidence and annual incidence of curable STDs by region, which basically includes only syphilis, gonorrhoea, chlamydia and trichomoniasis. Please note that the report does a lot of hemming and hawing about the unreliability of some of the data, so estimated incidence is just that.
That said, here's the breakdown:
North America -- 3 cases per 1000 people
Western Europe -- 4 cases per 1000 people
North Africa & Middle East -- 3.5 cases per 1000 people
Eastern Europe and Central Asia -- 6 cases per 1000 people
Sub Saharan Africa -- 32 cases per 1000 people
South and Southeast Asia -- 48 cases per 1000 people
East Asia and Pacific -- 6 cases per 1000 people
Australia and New Zealand -- 0.3 cases per 1000 people
Latin America & Caribbean -- 18.5 cases per 1000 people
I did find this comment in the report interesting: "In general, the prevalence of STIs tends to be higher in urban residents, in unmarried individuals, and in young adults. STIs tend to occur at a younger age in females than in males, which may be explained by differences in patterns of sexual activity and in the relative rates of transmission from one sex to the other. "
So to answer inteller's question, evidence indicates the safest places to monger in terms of STDs would be Oz and New Zealand.
Organicgrowth
05-31-04, 20:52
Joe Zop,
Interesting figures. I appreciate that they are estimates but they do give food for thought. Will you please share the URL, I’m keen to learn more.
I’m very surprised about the figures for North America, Western Europe and North Africa & Middle East. I would have expected higher…
Regards, Havanaman
The figures are from a report called "Global Prevalence and Incidence of Selected Curable Sexually Transmitted Infections" which the WHO put out in 1999. I've been unable to find anything as comprehensive that's newer. I'd expect figures that included herpes and HIV would be rather higher.
The whole thing can be seen at http://www.who.int/docstore/hiv/GRSTI/002.htm.
One interesting thing I did come across during my searching for this stuff is a report (which I've yet to find the source) that claims that condom use results in a 50% reduction in the transmission of herpes. That's nice to know, even if it's still a worry.
A bit late maybe but for yeast infections (thrush) use Canastine anti fungal or thrush cream. It will be gone in a few days and its not uncomon even in (or more accuratly on) guys. I must get it 2 or 3 times a year!
http://www.census.gov/ipc/aidsdb/
Here is somewhere for you to begin. It gives HIV etc rates for hokers in a number of places like Vietnam: plenty of dark clouds. I guess this is a high risk game we play: something like eating pizzas out of a gutter.
http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9710/15/herpes.increase/
This one seems to say there is lots of genital herpes in the good ol USA. It would be nice if we could know how many members here have a little extra.
BORED IN LB.
Go to plannedparenthood.com and look for the toll free number.
make an apointment to the clinic nearest to you, but be advised, you might have to wait a long time inside the clinic before seing the doctor.
Bangalore Dud
06-15-04, 10:01
I have a question for the esteemed members. Is it safe to have sex with lady who has tuberculosis. What are the risks of sexual contact, mouth to mouth contact.
Any precaustions to be taken. This lady is on treatment and is getting better but just want to be sure.
Appreciate any info.
Best regards
BD
Organicgrowth
06-19-04, 17:36
Bangalore Dud,
Tuberculosis (TB) is dangerous. There are a number of issues here and sadly no simple answer for you.
If you are in the west and your friend was diagnosed and is being treated here then all her contacts will have been recorded for follow-through prophylactic treatment. So if you are one of those people you will be safe (not 100%, but safe enough). If she is a SW and you are mongering then I would say play it safe and either wait for the complete all-clear or move on to another provider.
You say she is getting better: mycobacterium tuberculosis is a hardy creature and difficult to eradicate. When th patient is still has infectious TB – the potential for transmitting the disease on to other people is high. Thus the treatments are aggressive, isolationist and very through. As an example, if I remember my history in the early 19 century about 30% of the European population was wiped out by TB…
Play safe, and depending on your circumstances speak to her / her clinicians.
Regards, Havanaman
Well, Jackson suggested that I re-post this in this "speciality" column. The original posting was put up in the Malaysian thread.
The text was reproduced ad verbatim: Quote:
So far, experts from the West had not found a high concentration of the HIV [virus that may cause AIDS, not necessary MUST cause AIDS, some are still living with HIV virus infection for more than 15 years] in the human saliva. A certain high concentration is needed to effect infection. Blood and semen have the highest concentration, next in line are the viginal discharge [lady's love juice, careful those who like DATY] and mother's milk!!
They believe that HIV infection will occur if the WL is bleeding from her gums and your didi is having some minute cracks or slits or wounds to receive them as the virus can penetrate those soft and raw linings [lymphatic membranes]at the didi shaft. Having STD's on that region can promote infection! Furthermore, the other way of infection from Male to Female is higher in chances, due to the discharge of HIV-infected semen fluid prior to full ejaculation, so if they suck in those during BBBJ, hmmm, the results could be disastrous for her!
That is the reason why a lot of Thai WL will insist on BJ with the rain coat on! No shiok for us, but safe for them!
Any comments from fellow brothers?
End of quote.
Organicgrowth
06-25-04, 00:36
Ookami,
I agree with all your comments.
BBBJ or CBJ that is the question!
Personal choice, but play safe.
Regards, Havanaman
Organicgrowth
07-01-04, 13:36
Gentlemen,
Here is a copy of a post by Mujerero in the Costa Rica forum, which I felt was quite important and worth finding out more about. It is more appropriate here. Attached is also the pic from his post. Any information?
Due to recent action by the FDA (USA) to approve the use of this Ora-Quick Oral/Saliva test for HIV antibodies, I am wondering if this is sold in Costa Rican pharmacies. This picture is from an unknown source, maybe even this forum, If anyone is aware of this being available it would probably be of interest to a lot of us to know too. (I would definitely like to know). Mujerero
Regards, Havanaman
Havanaman, there's actually some info about Ora-Quick in this thread back, if I remember correctly, about a year or so ago.
Organicgrowth
07-01-04, 18:31
Joe Zop,
Yes, thanks, I found the posts.
Regards, Havanaman
Daddy Lows
07-06-04, 19:45
A newbie question,
Anyone know of any recommended clinics in Southern California that gives decent tests at feasible prices? I'm curious because since I've relocated to Los Angeles two years ago, I've been enjoying the AMP scene. However, since Dec '03, I've been tearing up the SW scene with pretty much dirty, nasty hoes with the occasional clean, nice SW gem. Sapman provided one such service in the San Fernando Valley for $200, all-inclusive, AIDS, herpes, hepatitus, HPV, clam, crabs, and other assorted sealife. I used to donate blood in the Chicagoland area every 3 months and they always gave me a clean bill of health and a sticker saying, "Smile at me. I gave blood!" I'm just looking for a cheaper alternative closer to like the Long Beach area.
Peace
Folks,
I'm travelling to Thailand in a few weeks, and will surely be tempted to try out the local SWs. This will be my first such experience (I'm generally a relationship oriented guy, but this is just too tempting to pass up). So my amateurish safety questions are:
- How safe is protected sex w/ SW?
- How dangerous is BBJ?
- How dangerous is french kissing?
- and how dangerous is DATY?
From what I've been able to gather, Thai girls are really big on taking showers before and after each encounter.. does that reduce the risk of anything?
Thanks in advance!
BG ROT
Read this section thouroughly BG, I don't do p4p, but after reading this I never will, protected sex is still risky, you can get genetal herpes from skin contact alone (that right guys?), incurable. Slightest cuts that tranfer body fluids make DATY and even french kissing risky
All I can say is thank god my girl's a model and keeps me satisfied!!! All those risks are seriously scary, that pic of someone with genetal herpes somewhere in this section was a real eye opener! Good luck though BG!
I think this should interest us all
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=751&e=1&u=/nm/20040722/hl_nm/health_sex_dc
Can anyone share expirience of using condoms for a tongue that usually used for DATY?
Organicgrowth
08-08-04, 22:53
Buzz04,
Thanks for that link man.
The article by Patricia Reaneyis an eye opener indeed.
However I would say that a little common sense, using condoms and not giving a P4P provider DATY will greatly reduce ones risks.
In the end however there is no 100% guarantee or indeed safety, well except if one never has sex again…
Regards, Havanaman
Organicgrowth
08-08-04, 23:04
Klitchkov,
There was some reference to shields for DATY a few posts ago. I must tell you however that it is like taking a plastic bag and spending your time licking that! I tried it just once and it was so of putting I quite…
If you want to know what I mean, just get some cling-film and wrap it over your had and start licking. It really is one major turn off. Just my opinion and off course other peoples will vary.
Regards, Havanaman
Travis Bickle 2
08-09-04, 00:16
klitchkov, i'm with havannaman on this one. what possible enjoyment can you get by engaging in daty with a condom on your tongue?
that being said, if she's clean, freshly showered, and you're able to inspect the clam for any signs of infection or disease -- then go for it. i've daty'ed literally hundreds of working girls without incidence. it's just something i really enjoy so i'm willing to take the risk.
despite the horrific pictures of herpes posted here, for most people it is a very minor inconvenience. with insurance a three month supply of acyclovir is about $10, and for most people keeps symptoms at bay permanently. i'd rather have a herpes outbreak than a cold anyday. for most, a little sore that lasts about two days, then scabs over and is completely gone in a week, that even without treatment often only shows up once or twice a year.
to me giving up daty because i might catch herpes, would be like someone giving up their favorite sport because they might scrape their knee. actually the scrape on the knee would be more painful and take longer to heal. civ2000
Protected sex sucks, but I suppose it is the only way to go.
Some time ago the following idea crossed my mind: porn stars have unprotected sex because they are tested regularly and have to present the results of tests before they ‘act’ in the films. Right, in that case I could also travel, for instance, to Thailand, spend a week there in search of the girl of my dreams, find her, go to a clinic and test her for all major STD’s, like the professionals porn stars do, and then spend the following week having wild and fully enjoyable unprotected sex with her.
In theory it would work and I’d be safe, or to be more precise, I’d be as safe as a professional porn star.
But if you think of it carefully it’d be OK only with STD’s for which there are accurate tests available (e.g. HIV, Hepatitis B, etc) , but what about the rest? What about genital herpes? As far as I know there is no reliable test available for genital herpes. I can’t believe that the porn super stars who have had unprotected vaginal, anal and oral sex with literally thousands of women (most of whom, in turn, had sex before with endless men) have done so without contracting herpes, but if the screening they use doesn’t cover herpes how the fuck do they manage not to get it?
I see only 2 possible options:
1. Herpes is most probably widespread within the adult entertainment industry, but porn actors/actresses don’t give a shit for it.
2. There is a reliable test for herpes, which I am not aware of.
I’d appreciate if anyone has any useful feedback on this matter.
Travis Bickle 2
08-21-04, 06:08
Gladiator, The answer is option #2: there is a test for herpes. Also, herpes is probably so widespread in the adult industry they probably don't worry much about it. I give 10 to 1 odds that Ron Jeremy has it but that it didn't keep him out of any films.
The only problem I see with your scenario is that some diseases and viruses take a month or more to show a positive result on tests but can be contagious during the same time frame. Also for herpes there are quite a few false negative test results.
To be safe it's best to keep it wrapped. Civ
Civ2000,
Thanks for your reply.
I know that there are some tests for herpes available but the problem is, as you point out, that they are not accurate, that is why I was asking if anyone knew of the existence of any really reliable test.
The current herpes tests are so inaccurate that they are not much different from having no test at all.
I suppose I'll have to keep using protection.
Turf Builder
08-28-04, 22:51
Returned from a week in Rio last week. Was home 2 days when I started to experience burning during urination and then came yellow gunk in the jockeys. Waited just one day to head for the emergency room. The doc said he was treating me for gonorea and clamydia. A shot and 4 pills. But don't have test results yet on which it is.
Straight sex during 8 sessions was protected, otherwise bbbj is common in Rio.
The CDC says both infections can be had from oral sex although probability is lower than with intercourse.
Hello Everyone. I am a frequent poster on the ohio boards, and now i have a number of questions to ask you. Obviously, if I am here, I am probably freaking out about a situation. One week ago, I went on a bender, and picked up 5 sw's in about 5 hours. 3 were ok (clean), one questionable, and one, in hindsight, was ill. I have confirmed this since by a few of my buddies that she has HIV, which scares the hell out of me. The only thing we did was she gave me bbbj- and only for a few minutes. I may have penetrated a finger, but that is all. Am I at risk of catching anything? I am married, and I cannot have unprotected sex with my wife, and I dont know how I will get her to use condoms without her knowing something. Also, I will need to get tested. Any recommendations on how to go about this? Thanks for your help- the best way to reach me is to PM me.
Boatman, I'm going to post here so others can be part of the discussion.
First, go see your family physician immediately and get tested. There's no sense in sitting around and worrying like mad. If you're doing P4P and having unprotected sex with your wife it's something you should be doing regularly regardless of whether or not you're in a state of freaking out.
Next, your odds of getting an HIV infection from a few minutes of BBBJ are basically infinitesmal. It's a worry only if she had bleeding in her mouth and you had some sort of cut or open wound on your cock. There are obviously other things you could have gotten -- herpes, hepatitis A, syphilis, gonorrhea, etc.
Third, and perhaps most to the point: how do you "know" that the 3 providers you describe were clean (not to mention the "maybe")? Whether your partner does or doesn't have an STD is not exactly something someone can always be sure of by sight -- the list of nasties they could have and not show is quite long. That attitude is one that's asking for trouble -- you should assume that all of your partners are a potential source of infection and act accordingly (other than your wife, unless you suspect she's doing the same as you.)
But you're just asking for divorce (or worse) if you're going around unprotected with prostitutes and then boinking your wife, as there's no easy explanation if you pass something along to her.
Boatman,
I agree with Joe go to your local health clinic, but bear in mind, it takes at least 3 months for HIV to show up.
In the mean time excuse wise to get out of sex with the wife, a good one might be that you go cut at the barbers and the barber had cut someone earlier?
Hmm, if you can come with better kudos, but don't risk her health
Good luck to you!
Turf Builder
09-08-04, 06:40
Tenchi,
The CDC says that on average HIV antibodies show up at 25 days. Yes, 97 percent show up within 3 months. But saying it takes at least three months can mislead people that should test sooner.
Organicgrowth
09-09-04, 09:23
Boatman, Gentlemen,
In agreement with Turf Builder testing early is the wise thing to do, but continuity of the test is equally important. That is to say have at least 4 primary tests spaced by 25 days. This is will exclude any false positives, which for a true negative, is a real head fuck.
As to excuses: “Honey I had to see doc today, got my Johnson trapped in my fly and the cut won’t stop bleeding….” When doing this you need to have a small plaster (band-aid) on Mr. Johnson in case you are asked for a look-see. Obviously you are not going to remove the plaster (band-aid) for fear of bleeding.
Regards, Havanaman
Lew Archer
09-11-04, 16:29
Boatman, et. al.,
I am in NYC and DOH here offers rapid testing for HIV. The results are available within 20-30 minutes. The rapid test is still relatively new. In NYC if the rapid test comes back positive, they repeat testing with the more established ELISA test to confirm the results.
I am not sure whether the Health Department/DOH in your area offers the same. This does not eliminate the need for additional testing over the next month or so (due to the incubation period for HIV) as other posters suggested, but at least you'll have your results quickly. The HIV counselor should explain all of this before you have your test. I am not sure if it is the same in your city, but you can be tested anonymously (receive only a code number) so your identity is not revealed.
I am not sure about the length of time for tests for other STDs (syphillis, Gonorrhea, etc.) but a search on your city's Health Department website or call to their information number should provide the answers.
Good Luck.
Hello everyone,
I want just to say what I have done to try prevent any infection and want to know what you think if it might work.
I have been for few days in Bkk and slept with many ladies and always protected sex but to be safer what I used to do is wipe mine in front of them and ask ladies to wipe themselves genital's area with wiper which were soaked in pure alchol (I did also just before performing oral sex and receiving it). I presume pure alchool kills all the bacteria and germs which cause infection.
I have to say the ladies looked me strangely at first but after saying them that it is for both interest they liked it and were happy to do that.
Once during intercourse with a lady a condom broke and I realised when i took my dick out, I rushed to the bathroom and poured a bottle of alchool on my cock and all around, it burnt a little bit and I hope it has worked. I am going for testing as soon as possible. I have asked the ladie if she always does procteted sex and she said yes, but you never know.
I know it will not be 100% sure to catch infection but it might help. Please let me know what you think.
All the best and always protect yourself.
EDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions to capitalize the word "I". To avoid future delays, please use a capital "I" to refer to yourself in future reports. Thanks!
Organicgrowth
09-20-04, 21:36
Pistola,
I like the idea of the alcohol, however it becomes difficult carrying it around unless you are keeping it in the bathroom. I always have the large alcohol medi-wipes with me and do exactly what you have said. However if you are in your rooms, why not go for a shower first? Alcohol can also leave your skin dry and thus actually more prone to infection due to the strong possibility that the skin can start to crack as a result of not having enough moisture.
About the alcohol burning you a little: alcohol should not burn at all unless there is a cut, abrasion or very thin skin. As the penis has a layer of oil on it, and you felt a burn, it implies to me that you might have had a cut or abrasion. This is more common that we might think in men. It only takes a simple fast movement of clothing or even a sharp finger nail to make a cut on the penis without our knowing.
Being checked is the best answer here for your self, your partners and other mongers. Chances are that you are safe, but you are wise to get tested.
Best wishes. Havanaman
You guys doing DATY and BBJ are idiots! These are fvcking wh*res who fvck and suck for a living. It's safer for you to lick the assholes of every dog that you see than to DATY 1 wh*re. Let's keep this hobby safe for everyone, please.
Mock A Bee
09-27-04, 01:41
FYI, anyone interested in reading an excellent article on AIDS and heterosexual men, here is a link to a reprint from Details Magazine, March 2004.
It is a very well written article with a lot of information and details about your risks of contracting AIDS. As well, for those of you who enjoy DATY on pros, it also touches on the risk of oral sex.
Basically it summarizes the fact that it is very difficult for men to contract aids from heterosexual sex, even without a condom. However, you should absolutely still use a condom.
Whatever Happened to AIDS and Straight Men?
By Kevin Gray
http://www.aliveandwell.org/html/risk_realities/whatever_happened.html
Member #2128
09-27-04, 09:51
A while back, GLADIATOR (who also just wrote some fine reports from the DR) asked about Herpes testing. My understanding is that the only legitimate test is to have a doctor or medical clinic cotton swab a currently active herpes lesion or sore and to send the swab in for testing. It's the blood tests that are very expensive and unreliable. The cotton swab test is very reliable. However, you must have a current herpes outbreak to confirm the diagnosis this way!
Genital Herpes is troublesome for the active monger for the following reasons:
1. You can't protect your scotal, testicular area with a condom. And it is common for men to contract it in this area.
2. You can become infected even when there are no lesions or sores visably present on your sexual partner. This is called "viral shedding" and means that the virus is present even though the sores aren't. So much for the rushed visual inspection in a dimly light $10 hotel room.
3. You can have it and not know it. Sometimes the symptoms are very mild, like a slight itching, or a few small "bumps", or something that looks more like a small "abrasion" than a big time bloody sore. According to the CDC, very often first time symptoms like these are simply overlooked.
4. Also according to the CDC, 17% of the population over age 15 have it! And in the African-American population the number is 45%. Scary! Although I have no idea of how they arrive at these percentages, it's starting to sound like it's almost impossible for the active monger to avoid getting genital herpes!
5. You can become infected by HSV I (the herpes from a cold sore on the mouth) on your genital area (penis/scotal and groin area) from the SALIVA of an infected person. Listen up, all you guys who enjoy your BBBJ and ball-licking. Whether it comes from the small "cold sore" on her mouth or the pussy, it's still gonna be herpes!
6. Finally, once you get it, you got it. No cure. Just a lifetime of intermittent outbreaks that are discomforting, if not painful, and which put ALL YOUR FUTURE PARTNERS at risk. For the rest of your life.
On the positive side of all this----IF YOU WASH THOROUGHLY RIGHT AFTER THE ACT WITH SOAP AND HOT WATER, YOU REDUCE THE CHANCES OF TRANSMISSION OF THE HERPES VIRUS. NOT ELIMINATE COMPLETELY, BUT SOMEWHAT REDUCE THE POSSIBILITY OF BECOMING INFECTED.
OK, that's my rant on genital herpes. I had a scare recently, which turned out to be a case of fungus (jock rot), but it made the fear of this STD quite real and I did a lot of research and reading. Hope it's helpful.
2128
I planned a trip to Singapore where the girl gives good body wash before action begins. The body wash is for both and it is obligatory if you take a girl from brothels in certain areas (Geylang) for example.
My question is how risky to be in contact with the girls body after a good body wash for her. I am not particular about intercourse. Hugging and kissing is my favourite. Can anybody give some idea.
for all my wsg forum friend.
take care on oral sex. this message is from a reliable source.
thank you.
how to perform safer oral sex
risks for hiv: there is some risk involved in having unprotected oral sex with a man or a woman. it is not as risky as unprotected anal or vaginal sex, but it is still possible to get hiv this way. there have been a few documented cases where hiv has been transmitted this way. hiv is found in blood, semen (cum), vaginal fluids, and breast milk. the virus can transmitted through cuts, openings, sores, and mucous membranes (mouth, anus, vagina) on your body.
to avoid risks during oral sex it is important to:
keep semen and vaginal fluids out of your mouth.
make sure that your mouth is healthy and that you don't have bleeding gums, cuts, or mouth sores, because the presence of blood will increase your risk.
oral sex on a woman
in order to keep vaginal fluids out of your mouth:
purchase a dental dam from peer health, or ...
use a a piece of plastic wrap (saran wrap) as a barrier between the mouth and the vagina, or..
cut an unlubricated condom into a latex square (see left)
oral sex on a man
in order to keep cum out of your mouth:
use an unlubricated, non-spermicidal condom
flavored condoms are available at peer health
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Apologies if this subject was already discussed on this folder. I would like to know if it is possible to get Hepatitis (especially Hepatitis C) from a kiss.
Thanks in advance, Viator
To add to Arivans post:
I was just discussing safe DATY in another section and was also informed about these same oral risks directly from an HIV clinic where I was once got tested.
To add: Not only do they recommend serran wrap as an alternative to dental dam, but they emphisized it should be the non pourus, NON-microwavable kind for adequite protection. (The other kind the virus could seep through just like steam is meant to do in the microwave).
I was resistant to the idea at first but it really wasnt a big deal once I tried try it. Had just as much fun and it was well worth my piece of mind.
Be Safe all
J Burb
HIV now a bigger threat to women than men
UN calls for social change as infections soar among females
Sarah Boseley, health editor
Wednesday November 24, 2004
The Guardian
The Aids pandemic rampaging around the globe will not be stopped without radical social change to improve the lot of women and girls, who now look likely to die in greater numbers than men, United Nations agencies said yesterday.
Infections among women are soaring, from sub-Saharan Africa to Asia to Russia. What began as a series of epidemics among men - in some regions gay and bisexual men, in others men who frequented sex workers or male drug users - has spread to their female partners who are biologically more easily infected.
In many countries, women's subordinate status, and their lack of education and economic power have made it impossible for them to negotiate sex with men or to ask for the use of condoms. Yesterday the UN agency set up to combat the pandemic, UNAids, called for all that to change in the interests of checking the spread of a disease which killed 3.1 million adults and children last year.
"We will not be able to stop this epidemic unless we put women at the heart of the response to Aids," said UNAids' executive director, Peter Piot.
At the launch of the UNAids annual report on the pandemic yesterday, actor Emma Thompson, who is a founder member of the Global Coalition on Women and Aids launched this year, put it in starker fashion. "There are some countries where women are an endangered species - they will disappear from the face of the earth," she said. "I think this is the greatest catastrophe that the human race has ever faced."
Across the globe, 39.4 million people, including 2.2 million children, are carrying the HIV virus and will die without treatment to contain it - up from about 36.2 million two years ago. Only one in 10 in developing countries can get the drugs they need.
Last year, 4.9 million people were newly infected and 3.1 million died. In some parts, such as sub-Saharan Africa, the numbers living with HIV appear to have stabilised, but only because as many are now dying as are acquiring infection.
In the UK, HIV continues to spread. UNAids says it "has become the fastest-growing serious health condition". A report today from the Health Protection Agency will confirm the trend. Last year there were 7,000 new diagnoses, taking the total numbers living with infection well above 50,000.
The numbers of women affected globally are rising faster than those of men, now making up nearly half of the total. In sub-Saharan Africa, where the pandemic is furthest advanced, the transition is complete - 57% of those with HIV are women. In Zambia, Zimbabwe and South Africa, 77% of all young people infected virus are women. Across nine countries in that region, the infection rate in the whole population is one in four.
In other parts of the world, there have been large hikes in the proportion of women affected. In east Asia, there has been a 56% increase in the number of HIV positive women in the past couple of years. In Russia, where the epidemic began in young, mostly male injecting drug users, the proportion of women infected has gone up from 24% to 38% in just 12 months.
In every region of the world - including the US, where Aids is one of the biggest killers of African-American women, and Europe - it is the same story, said Kathleen Cravero, deputy executive director of UNAids, yesterday, and it means that a new strategy must be adopted.
"The prevention strategies now in place are missing the point when it comes to women and girls," she said. The ABC mantra favoured by the US - abstinence, be faithful and use a condom - is useless to women who do not have the power to refuse sex, sometimes from an older, sexually experienced husband who already has HIV.
Social and cultural change is the only way to check the pandemic in countries where women have no status or power, UNAids says - although it accepts that revolution is not on the cards.
"What we're talking about is very specific actions that are doable, moving to a situation where every woman gets to keep her house and her land and her furniture when her partner dies," said Ms Cravero. "It doesn't mean turning society on its head. It means getting the right laws in place and making them enforceable.
"We have to work against the fatalistic idea that you can never change these things."
UNAids is urging governments to reform their inheritance laws, pass legislation protecting women from domestic violence and help girls attend secondary schools. A woman who has some education and some economic power through possession of her own house and garden will be better able to negotiate sex, said Ms Cravero. "We have to turn abstinence on its head and fight for the right of every woman to abstain when and if she wants to, because right now she doesn't have that right."
Ms Thompson related stories from three trips to Africa of sugar daddies who offered schoolgirls meals or trainers for sex. "I knew of a girl who gave her body to a man because he gave her an apple, because nobody had ever given her anything before," she said.
Mothers who were desperate for money would gamble that if they were infected with HIV, they could stay alive long enough to bring up their children. "I would sell my body if I had to do it to feed my child," said Ms Thompson.
She suggested that Tony Blair could contribute by going to Ethiopia, where she had recently been, and publicly taking an Aids test. "I think it is going to take big gestures like that. Examples have to be set by men of power."
Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2004
Hey mongers thanks for all the helpfull info. I generally only get on this board just prior to going on a mongering vacation. I am going to Rio for three weeks in December. It's nice to reset here with some balanced perspective on my favorite hobby.
Viral infections:
I am trying to find a cheap source for Valtrex. Looks like India might be the cheapest online source. Does anyone have any experience geting pharmaceuticals there?? Last year I was able to download some sample coupons off the net. Got my physicians signature and recieved about $300.00 worth for free!! Reported in various studies, performs like a body prophalactic against herpes virus. I started popping a Valtrex about every day while heavy mongering particularly DATY with Therma girls. I think it makes sense, as it's generally prescribed as suppresive therapy. Also "Abreva" cream, buy it over the counter at Costco, I put a dab on my tongue and run it around the gums and teeth as studies claim it passively supresses herpes, it basically has no taste, and I also use it around the base of the shaft about once a day when mongering.
I bought a dozen of the 10 minute HSV2 test kits from Diagnology about a year ago before the company went out of business. They worked OK but its a hassle to get Therma *****s to use them, requires a few drops of blood. I have generally used them with American women when STD's become a talking point prior to negotiating some steady unprotected monagamous sex for a few months.
Durex condom is my favorite but I have never tried the Max model. Thanks for the heads up!
We have our conclusion on the adult industry, to add to that, alot of adult film star will tour at the moonlight bunny ranch, as well as others, where the clientel dont get tested beforehand! Who here thinks airforce amy has herpes and uses the best medication available when she has outbreaks?
Gladiator, The answer is option #2: there is a test for herpes. Also, herpes is probably so widespread in the adult industry they probably don't worry much about it. I give 10 to 1 odds that Ron Jeremy has it but that it didn't keep him out of any films.
The only problem I see with your scenario is that some diseases and viruses take a month or more to show a positive result on tests but can be contagious during the same time frame. Also for herpes there are quite a few false negative test results.
To be safe it's best to keep it wrapped. Civ
If you plan to monger, be safe. And to help you out, Consumer Reports recently tested and rated the performance of condoms. Here's a link to a story about the top performers, http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/01/04/best.condoms.reut/index.html
Hey Guys,
For the past month, I have had a pinkish, reddish rash on the base of my penis that has been very itchy. While taking a shower and cleaning my area it gets more irritated and sometimes bleeds a little. The rash area itself is somewhat glossy. I have applied alcohol at times but it does not go away.
I want to see a Dr. but cannot afford to just yet, maybe next week. Not even sure what type of doc to see.
Any of you guys experience this problem or no anything of it.
I would die if it was herpes.
I was planning on getting an STD test but dont even know where to go in my area. I cant really afford the full testing either.
Sorry guys, I just didnt know where else to post.
In the past I have been with both pros and amatures but most recently an amature who I think may have caused my problem as it occured shortly after contact with her. It was a one nighter so I cant call to ask.
Thanks in advance.
Hi,
I'm not a doctor but do not put alcool on it this is the first advise I can tell you it can make think worst. Maybe it's only a mushroon. Please try to see a clinic specialise on STD
Chattel
Travis Bickle 2
01-11-05, 22:42
The Person, Call your local public health office and ask where you can get free/reduced cost STD/HIV testing. I looked at your posts and it appears you're in the Philly or New Jersey area? There has to be literally hundreds of places you can go.
As far as to what kind of doctor to see, I'd just see my regular family doctor., family medicine, general practicioner, or internal medicine.
Since you don't mention small blisters, I'm assuming its probably not herpes. Besides, herpes goes away in a few days to a couple of weeks, max. My guess, and it is purely speculation, is that you have a fungal infection (jock itch) and thats all. Buy a can of Cruex and see what happens. And quit putting alcohol on it. And quit scratching and irritating it.
Civ2000
P. S. And the cost of this free medical advice: please post and let us know what it was. Thanks.
Canada's gifts to AIDS/HIV prevention in South Africa are the Three Amigos -- Stretch, Shaft and Dick -- a series of cartoon condom commercials, http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/OttawaSun/News/2005/01/13/896811-sun.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4252745.stm Older women get Aids
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4250789.stm African babes use condoms as jewelry
The Person -- follow Civ's advise and see a doc ASAP! Besides just enduring unnecessary pain and irritation , you might be posing health risk to others. And if ANY skin around your genital area is open or bleeding -- your risk of getting much more serious STI goes up tremendously.
This could be sign of:
Herpes - yes -!!
Pseudomonas
Candida (Yeast Infections)
Pubic Lice
Scabies
Molluscum
...and many more
All of which require unique and prescription treatments. Alcohol is doing nothing for you except irritate the already damaged tissue. It's too late for alcohol, dude!
A ranking of condoms for effectiveness, comfort and pleasure, http://slate.msn.com/id/2114132/.
As I'm now over forty, I'm increasingly coming to the opinion that sex with a condom is only slightly more fun than no sex at all. However, I'm far to terrified of hiv to do it without. A recent trip to a former soviet country highlighted this when a pick up from a bar came round to my flat a few days later offering sex without condoms and for free. It really hurt to say no.
Two things appear to offer hope. One is the idea of using an hiv test on your girl to see what your chances might be if you go bareback and the other is the so called "liquid condom" which seems to be able to protect both people from each other. I've read the whole of this thread (and by the way, I hope I never have to see yet another person ask how risky a BBBJ is- this question is on almost every page...) and there is some usefull info aboiut hiv tests. No mention of the use of liquid condoms. I belive these are only just coming on to the market. Does anyone have any experience of these?
Cheers and thanks in advance for any information.
Are Condoms Safe?
A spokesman from the rubber chemistry industry answers The Washington Times, Wednesday April 22, 1992:
My only comment is to point out that the rubber comprising latex condoms has intrinsic voids about 5 microns (0.0002 inches) in size. Since this is roughly 10 times smaller than sperm, the latter we effectively blocked in ideal circumstances.
The 12 percent failure rate of condoms in preventing pregnancy is attributable to in situ cracking, removal. ozone deterioration from improper sealing, manufactured defects, etc.
Contrarily, the AIDS virus is only 0.1 micron (4 millionths of an inch) in size. Since this is a factor of 50 smaller than the voids inherent in rubber, the virus can readily pass through the condom should it find a passage.
A reluctance to stake one's life on the ability of a condom to prevent HIV infection bespeaks wisdom, not discrimination.
C.M. Roland
Editor. Rubber Chemistry Land Technology
Washington
Sebastian My
04-03-05, 05:28
Hey Guys,
For the past month, I have had a pinkish, reddish rash on the base of my penis that has been very itchy. While taking a shower and cleaning my area it gets more irritated and sometimes bleeds a little. The rash area itself is somewhat glossy. I have applied alcohol at times but it does not go away.
Thanks in advance.I would go to a GP immediatly, if you are worried about this getting out find a new GP close to work and use your work address. I would also advise being totally honest. The younger doctors are better in my opinion. What you need is a swob and a blood test. However saying all of that its most likely thrush, so while you are waiting for your test results go to a chemist and ask for some anti-fungal cream (make sure you ask for the one for men, unless you specifically require a vaginal cream inserter). Note : alcohol can make fungal rash worst in women, so i assume the same can occur with men.
As the other guys have requested, let us know the result - otherwise we will all assume it has killed you.
Sebastian My
04-03-05, 05:32
The Person -- follow Civ's advise and see a doc ASAP! This is a good site for information.
http://www.afraidtoask.com/std.html
The pitcures are definatly not erotic.
Hello Guys,
I wanted to discuss post-sex clean up because I know it does come up from time to time. You've fucked, been sucked etc by some hottie/sw/***** etc but you now regret it because you didn't use protection and now you feel worried about catching something. As a doctor I thought I would tell you guys about the post sex clean up that I do in the rare instances I don't have the chance to use protection. It won't work vs crabs or lice but it should be effective vs most forms of venereal disease. The best advise is always prevention (condoms, dental dams etc) but for some reason it doesn't work out this is a good clean up.
1. Cleaning your privates
I suggest using iodine. You can get iodine at walmart and most drug stores. It is purple stuff that stains like crazy but it is effective vs almost all STD except maybe crabs. In surgery we use iodine to sterilize things and it can work just effectively to clean yourself after an indiscretion. It is purple stuff - generously place it on a washcloth/paper napkin, slightly diluted in water and rub it all over your privates - testicles, shaft, roll back the skin (if you are not circumcised) and put it in and around your glans (if you are not circumscised). The only problem with iodine is it stains so you will probably have to do this in a shower, and have to wash up your privates agian afterward just as thoroughly using soap until the iodine stain is gone. Rubbing alcohol (don't use drinking alcohol it won't work) is just as effective as iodine but I don't recommend it because it hurts. I read on this site about a guy who washed up after sex but still got an STD. I would suggest that if he had used iodine that would not have been a problem. I guess in a pinch you could use listerine or peroxide or even rubbing-alcohol based aftershave to clean yourself but I am not certain they would be as effective.
2.Rinsing your mouth.
There probably is no good way to get around an std exposure if you have oral sex. However, I recommend rinsing your mouth with listerine. It will hurt a lot - Don't say i didn't warn you but it is probably the best protection. Use the equivalent of twice the normal amount of listerine (usually two large bottlecaps full) and rinse your mouth for 2 minutes. For those of you who don't normally use mouthwash, you need to really shake the fluid around inside your mouth to make sure it reachs anywhere bacteria may be hiding. Generic walmart/cvs/walgreens antiseptic mouthwash works just as well as the brand name stuff. Don't use scope or weaker mouthwash as it will not be as effective.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure - be careful out there guys and happy mongering. By the way - Jackson you rock!
Later,
Jadedmd
You're kidding, right? You suspect you might have gotten an STD, your dick was hurting, and you proceeded to have sex with someone else? I hope you at least used protection this second time!
First off, get thee to a doctor as opposed to listening to anything on this site. There are plenty of STDs where in men the symptoms can disappear quickly but the infection is still there -- clap, Chlamydia, etc. The most likely thing, based on what you describe, is that she had a yeast infection (Candida) and that you got it.
Next, if you're gonna have sex, wrap that damn puppy at least until you know you're clean. The rest of us don't need exposure to your sloppy seconds in this instance.
Finally, don't you think a paternity test might be in order? You're not seriously taking the word of a hooker/ex-hooker that you're positively the father of her kid, are you?
Regardless of whether or not they're watching you like hawks, for heaven's sake get yourself checked out, man. Better to incur the wrath of women than the long-term health problems associated with some STDs. (Not to mention the potential issues should you pass something along to one or the other.) And lots of these diseases manifest as symptom-free in some guys, so just because the symptoms are gone doesn't mean the disease is -- get yourself checked and keep yourself safe.
'Sides -- sounds like in a number of months it all may come out in the wash anyway, eh?
Sorry for the title JW. But you should have let me bonk those women.
Forget the witch doctors. Your main problem, I guess is you are in Tokyo. You have two options: private or public.
Private: there is an old white Russian has a clinic near Roppongi Crossing. Easy to find: leave Roppongi station and walk past Paddy Foley's towards Tokyo Tower. When you come to the big crossing (right to ACCJ and Russian Embassy), he is on the far corner of that crossing. He is expensive.
Public: There are some good publich hospitals with English speakers if that is a problem, http://japan.usembassy.gov/e/acs/tacs-7119.html
The only issue there is privacy that might work its way back to your boss if you have a health card. So tell them your long lost wife/sister whatever gave it to you.
International Medical Center of Japan (has the Skinless seal of approval, check US site for more details)
Do get checked out and don't mind people here too much. Symptoms can come and go. It might not be serious. But it might.
You miught also go to the International Pharmacy near Roppongi Crossing.
Also check out www.metropolis.co.jp for the small ads, which should have phone numbers you can dial for more information.
And next time, let me fuck them first. Better safe than sorry.
Rubber Nursey
05-09-05, 04:18
...I'll just leave you with these.
http://www.infectionspotlight.com/infection/PregnantWomen.jsp?id=105
http://www.well-net.com/STD/std1.html
Think about what you could be doing to those women and, more importantly, that unborn child, which could very well be YOUR unborn child. PLEASE... SEE A DOCTOR ASAP!
cjw: first of all, this information belongs on the public board, not in private pms. this is so for two reasons: a. everyone should pay attention to sti debates here (very few do); b. for every 10 pms you get, it would be a good guess that 9 of them would be of the quack doctor variety.
your dick could be suffering strain or it could be infected. the only way to know is to have a qualified medic take blood and [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) samples at the appropriate intervals. the only way to know is to be checked. these intelligent viruses play self survival games and they sometimes lie low or don't show symptoms so they can thrive. women are generally asymmptotic: ie they don't show visible symptoms such as the 70% of males who have dripping dicks.
your skank friend may be pregnant or she may have a vaginal infection which causes her to skip a period or to have a delayed period. again, only a check can tell.
if being in tokyo is a logistical problem, go to an english speaking hospital |(links given in the earlier post), check out metropolis, phone up the help lines and get checked. there are several hiv checking places around shinjuku where english is spoken. details should be in metropolis. there isp lenty of help availalbe; avail of it.
if you do have a dose, the longer you leave it untreated, the worse it will be for your body.
fnally, do not rely on this board. you are better than that.
CJW: I am writing this as I have liked the wit in many of your posts. I got the clap and I reported on it here. Zop also was clapped.
Have you read Faustus by Thomas Mann? A worthy thing to mention on "VE" Day. Or, to give it its fuller title, Doctor Faustus: The Life of the German Composer Adrian Leverkuhn As Told by a Friend.
This is one of the greatest books ever written. It is based in Nazi Germany when Hitler's forces were waging war on all fronts, the home front with The Traveler's heroic family included.
Being a cultured man, you have no doubt read it and you no doubt know that Leverkuhn is based on the modernist innovator Arnold Schoenberg, whose music is probably known only to the likes of myself, Freeler and Prokofiev. (Jackson likes The Grateful Dead:(
Leverkuhn's friend is a typical, insipid, winded liberal but who has two sons dying for their beloved leader, Herr Hitler, on the Eastern Front where....... Do I digress? Sorry Crazy.
Maybe you are not interested in any of that. Maybe you are a low brow like the unmentionables on the Thai board. Bear with me. Leverkuhn/Schoenberg gets the clap from a hooker but in a mark of devotion, understood only by Mann, Domino and other high brows, he decides not to get it treated.
Guess what happens to Schoenberg? He goes stark raving nuts. True story dude. That is what the clap does if untreated. As this is VE Day, think of Churchill's father (and even think of his mother to keep RN off your case) who suffered the same fate. Get yourself treated/tested kid. Or else you might regret it big time.
Don't fuck around with this. Follow the advice of the earlier posts. Think about safe sex -another day.
You might be afraid you have fucked up really big time with HIV. (Mann deals with something similar). Bite the bullet and get properly tested.
I note your link and I am sure it is a good one. But one of the reasons I got the clap was from following the witch doctors who post on this site. Bush doctors and prison lawyers are fine. But in a real life situation, you want the real professionals.
PS: I was all set to sign out but deliberately stuck my nose in here to see if you had been back. Do the right thing.
Are Condoms Safe?
A spokesman from the rubber chemistry industry answers The Washington Times, Wednesday April 22, 1992:
My only comment is to point out that the rubber comprising latex condoms has intrinsic voids about 5 microns (0.0002 inches) in size. Since this is roughly 10 times smaller than sperm, the latter we effectively blocked in ideal circumstances.
The 12 percent failure rate of condoms in preventing pregnancy is attributable to in situ cracking, removal. ozone deterioration from improper sealing, manufactured defects, etc.
Contrarily, the AIDS virus is only 0.1 micron (4 millionths of an inch) in size. Since this is a factor of 50 smaller than the voids inherent in rubber, the virus can readily pass through the condom should it find a passage.
A reluctance to stake one's life on the ability of a condom to prevent HIV infection bespeaks wisdom, not discrimination.
C.M. Roland
Editor. Rubber Chemistry Land Technology
WashingtonWhat this article is saying is that condom is useless as far as preventing HIV is concerned. If it is true, why do health authorities throughout the world, and in fact the WHO have been promotion and encouraging the use of condom as the most effective mean to prevent HIV and other STDs??
That letter has become one of the cornerstones of the religious right's abstinence movement, as it's used to say "Condoms don't work! Not having sex is the only answer!"
The basic problem with Roland's letter and research is that he's comparing apples and oranges -- his data looks at the latex of rubber gloves, and their levels of porousness, and condoms are simply made to higher standards. There's a discussion (albeit old and rather sketchy in places) of Roland's letter at http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a940506.html and a better article on the issue as a whole at http://www.thebody.com********AIDS/SafeSex/Archive/PreventionSexual/Q2944.qna.
But the single best piece of information that looks at condom effectiveness, which is also more recent (2001), is at http://www.niaid.nih.gov/dmid/stds/condomreport.pdf. This report came from a literature review workshop which examined the question, "What is the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of male condom-use to prevent STD transmission during vaginal intercourse?" It concluded that by and large the research literature was inadequate to conclusively answer the question as a whole, but that the published data for condom effectiveness was strongest for HIV (which it said clearly significantly reduces risk for both men and women) and gonhorrhea (which it said clearly significantly reduces risk for men.)
The CDC (at the behest of the current administration) removed its "“Condoms are effective in preventing HIV and other STDs” statement from its condom fact sheet and replaced it with, "The surest way to avoid transmission of sexually transmitted diseases is to abstain from sexual intercourse ...” but the research shows that the first statement is still valid.
I was browsing the CDC website and found HIV trends:
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/GRAPHICS/trends.htm
Take a look at slide 16 titled:
Estimated Number of Male Adults and Adolescents Living with AIDS, by Tansmission Category, 1985-2003 United States
If I'm reading the correctly, it says 40,000 heterosexual guys that are not drug users have AIDS as of 2003.
IMHO, this defeats a lot of what is said on this forum about guys having a hard time contracting HIV from bareback sex.
How do you guys interprit the graph?
pop till you drop,
hojo
MonterreyDude
07-09-05, 22:14
Hojo: I interpret the graph as AIDS on the rise again....
I was browsing the CDC website and found HIV trends:
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/GRAPHICS/trends.htm
Take a look at slide 16 titled:
Estimated Number of Male Adults and Adolescents Living with AIDS, by Tansmission Category, 1985-2003 United States
If I'm reading the correctly, it says 40,000 heterosexual guys that are not drug users have AIDS as of 2003.
IMHO, this defeats a lot of what is said on this forum about guys having a hard time contracting HIV from bareback sex.
How do you guys interprit the graph?
pop till you drop,
hojo
GettingTang
07-10-05, 00:04
the cdc estimates as of the end of 2004 there are about 21,000 american males living in the usa who contracted hiv via heterosexual acts. when you compare this to male on male, or iv drug use it is a mere fraction. the facts are, hiv can be transmitted from female to male during straight vaginal sex, but it's far more difficult.
however, get a recently infected females vaginal secretions, or blood into your urethra and all bets are off. studies indicate that as much as 70% of hiv transmission occurs when the host (giver of the disease) is within the first year following their infection. why? because virus levels are at there peek during the first year. in the millions, sometimes even exceeding a billion during the first few months, then decline to usually below 20,000.
scientists have done studies that indicate, if you have sex with someone who was recently infected, the chances for transmission is as high as 27% (1-4) per sexual act! this number declines to less in 1-1000 after a year or so has gone by and the virus level in the body is reduces and stabilized.
genital vaginal hiv shedding during the first 12 months following infection is 200-500% higher then it is during an established infection.
this is why hiv is still being spread, because 99% of those recently infected, have no idea they have been infected. there have now been dozens of studies proving this science. remember, experts now say that 70% of people who caught hiv, did so, from someone who had themselves been infected within the past year.
use condoms!! or die! it's really this simple! going on 50 million people worldwide can't be wrong! 50 fcking million people. and estimated to hit 100 million by 2010!!!! think about it boys, it's a virus, it plays by it's own rules! get it inside your body, no matter who, where, how or why and your life is fcked!
Heterosexual Males: Many of these Americans are fucking guys or being fucked by them but will not admit it. Same same as many of the guys who post on the Thai thread.
High Risk Groups: Guys who fuck prostitutes are high risk no matter how many condoms they may purchase.
Probabilities: These are all nonsense. Condom peddlers have an agenda. If you take due precautions, you obviously lessen the chances. But the fact that HIV has not abated over the last 20 years in the USA shows people do not listen to advice. In that sense, there is nothing new under the sun.
Again, fucking skanks is a high risk pursuit. Homosexuals, the HIV NGO parasite industry as well as other societal parasites all have their own agendas to ply.
Perverts: There must be few people more perverse than the scientists who do these experiments.
MonterreyDude
07-10-05, 01:57
i agree and you cannot say it better but with harsh and direct words gettingtang.
that is why i do not understand how people can go around looking for bareback sex in other parts of the world (specially sea) thinking that they are getting pristine and untouched pussy...
i really don't....
the cdc estimates as of the end of 2004 there are about 21,000 american males living in the usa who contracted hiv via heterosexual acts. when you compare this to male on male, or iv drug use it is a mere fraction. the facts are, hiv can be transmitted from female to male during straight vaginal sex, but it's far more difficult.
however, get a recently infected females vaginal secretions, or blood into your urethra and all bets are off. studies indicate that as much as 70% of hiv transmission occurs when the host (giver of the disease) is within the first year following their infection. why? because virus levels are at there peek during the first year. in the millions, sometimes even exceeding a billion during the first few months, then decline to usually below 20,000.
scientists have done studies that indicate, if you have sex with someone who was recently infected, the chances for transmission is as high as 27% (1-4) per sexual act! this number declines to less in 1-1000 after a year or so has gone by and the virus level in the body is reduces and stabilized.
genital vaginal hiv shedding during the first 12 months following infection is 200-500% higher then it is during an established infection.
this is why hiv is still being spread, because 99% of those recently infected, have no idea they have been infected. there have now been dozens of studies proving this science. remember, experts now say that 70% of people who caught hiv, did so, from someone who had themselves been infected within the past year.
use condoms!! or die! it's really this simple! going on 50 million people worldwide can't be wrong! 50 fcking million people. and estimated to hit 100 million by 2010!!!! think about it boys, it's a virus, it plays by it's own rules! get it inside your body, no matter who, where, how or why and your life is fcked!
GettingTang
07-10-05, 02:51
This old boy has had the shit scared out of him about HIV. I've had friends, less sexually active then I was by far in the past catch HIV. I'm an old Navy boy and knew personally, five buddies catch this dreadful disease. FIVE! It was a wake-up call for me. I used to take my blowjobs bare and ALWAYS kept covered for vaginal sex. I also refuse to go downtown and eat out. I personally think this is high risk. Now, I even cover up for a basic BJ. Why you ask? Sure, I have heard all the experts say you can't get HIV from a BJ, but common sense would say otherwise. How often does your mouth bleed? It happens and blood is the most contagious of all body fluids! Not to mention there are some very disgruntled sex workers out there packing HIV. All they would have to do, it make their mouth bleed a little while giving you a BJ and push it down into your penis tip. Not gushing blood, just a little would do. And if you think there are not people out there who would love to infect you, you're fooling yourself!
All this shit about this, or that not being a risk is pure BS. Anytime you exchange body fluids with another person you're at risk. Sure, some activities are much more risky, but why the hell take any risk at all? You pull that s,lot machine handle long enough and eventually you're going to hit the jackpot.
I do think a vaccine for HIV will come in about five more years, but it does no good if you already have it. Imagine catching HIV a week before they announce an affective vaccine has been created? Talk about ironic.
You have to protect yourselves at all times. HIV is a damn virus, it does not care if you're an IV drug user, heterosexual, gay, or whatever. If you find some path for it to get into your body, you're doomed. This old boy has officially retired from the heavy mongering scene, I have risked my life for long enough and luckily escaped the wrath this game often brings, without HIV, but when I stop by here and all the bullshit about how you can't possibly catch HIV from straight sex it really pisses me off. Not to mention, what gives any of you the right to place these young girls at risk? Oh because they are poor their life should somehow be worth less? Every life is equal, rich poor, impoverished or not. I'm sure a great many of the regulars on this board are packing HIV, some probably even know it. Makes me sick!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4720457.stm
This dude is spreading the good news about safe sex all over. He gets plenty of sex too.
John Dough
07-29-05, 21:55
Is it just me, or do condoms leave an area of skin uncovered at the base? When the woman is on top fluid could drip. Perhaps the solution is to use extra long condoms and stretch them over the boys. Maybe a rubber funnel could be made that would slide on first, and then a condom could overlap it. Any suggestions?
Gallo Ingles
07-30-05, 13:23
As a basically paranoid person I have taken measures to avoid any and all skin to skin contact in the pubic region. Call me extreme, but I can't imagine anything worse than bringing home some microfriends to share with my loved ones.
Get yourself a piece of very thin sheet of (latex?) rubber and cut out a six inch square. Mine came from a physical therapy band . It is a thin rubber used for stretching to strengthen muscles. I imagine a hospital supply store might have it; I got it for therapy for an injured knee.
Anyway, make a small hole in the middle so that it stretches as you slide your dick through it. Don't overestimate your size (as so many of us do *s*) as you want it to fit fairly snugly.
Get a pair of tight fitting nylon exercise shorts or underwear. I bought mine at Target. They are perfect: seamless and lightweight with no fly. Cut a small slit in the front where your dick is.
Here is how it works: With dick sufficiently hardened, put on the condom or better yet have your princess do it for you. Slide the condomed dick through the latex square. This will be your gasket. Finally, put on your shorts and pull your dick through the hole. Now you have a covered shaft, base, and the entire lower part is protected by the shorts.
You may need to experiment a bit to get the right fit, but you can set up a pretty impermeable barrier this way.
Fuck as long and hard as you want with the confidence that none of her juices, sweet as they may seem at the moment, will come into contact with your privates.
I know, it may look and sound silly and cause bemusement on the part of your partner, but I believe that the protection is worth any humiliation. In fact, I have found that a lot of my consorts have praised me for being so careful. They don't want to catch anything either.
Anyone else done anything like this?
One way to be really, really safe is to just stay home and jack off. Be sure to wear latex gloves and a condom while you do it though. I am laughing my ass off at these last two guys.
GettingTang
07-30-05, 22:13
People, please, be realistic. HIV is a virus, it's deadly, but it's not a real easy virus to catch. Did you know that out of the estimated 1,200,000 people in the US infected with HIV, only about 22,000 of those are straight males. Of these, probably a great many of them are bisexual and got it through anal gay sex, but are too ashamed to admit it.
I now keep my willy covered even for oral sex. I never go down on any working girl and have always used condoms for intercourse. However, in years gone past, I've probably gotten over 600 Blow jobs without a condom, of those, many were probably high risk performers for HIV. I just did my last 6 month total STD screening and came up negative for everything. I was tested for all Hepatitis viruses, HIV, syphilis, Gonorrhea, clamydia, TB, and more! Negative on all fronts.
Now get one the straight here. I personally believe you can get HIV from oral sex. I've read to much evidence of it. Sure, they claim there has never been a "documented case" but do some web searches, there are thousands of guys out there just like many of you. These guys played the field for years. They did exactly what I did and many of you do also, they wrapped up with a condom for intercourse and took their blow jobs bare. Many have turned up HIV positive. However, the CDC will not document their cases, as for there to be "documentation", the event must be isolated to the an exact event, time, place, from a single exposure. Then other evidence is required such as strain and DNA matching of the virus.
So I think it's safe to say, that many have caught HIV from oral sex, probably not via saliva as this acts as an HIV blocker, but most likely from blood, even small amounts in the mouth. How often does your mouth bleed? Imagine if you had bad oral care? It's possible
Bottom line as I've stated hundreds of times before, it's your life, it's your risk. You decide. I will say the ignorance in this forum regarding HIV and how it is and is not infectious is frightening. You people are all really ignorant, no offense, but if you're going to play the mongering game, you really need to educate yourselves as to exactly what you're risking and how to prevent it.
Last, don't be fooled by the media hype about HIV medications. In the USA, the most advanced medical nation on the planet, if you're infected with HIV today, your life expectancy is still only going to be about 20 years.About half of those 20 years will not be very pleasant. Of those 20 years to survive that long, you will have to take dozens of pills a day, slowly eroding your bodies muscle and fat tissue. You will have serious neurological side affects and eventually these medications will fail leading to AIDS. If the meds do not fail you and they do in almost everyone taking them due to the virus's ability to mutate, you will die due to severe side affects and permanent radiation damage.
Bottom line, quit trying to "beat the system" and keep it covered! Sure it does not feel as good, but damn people, many of you have wives and kids. Think about them for a moment. Are they not worth a little loss of sensation? Please!
People, please, be realistic. HIV is a virus, it's deadly, but it's not a real easy virus to catch. Did you know that out of the estimated 1,200,000 people in the US infected with HIV, only about 22,000 of those are straight males. Of these, probably a great many of them are bisexual and got it through anal gay sex, but are too ashamed to admit it.
I now keep my willy covered even for oral sex. I never go down on any working girl and have always used condoms for intercourse. However, in years gone past, I've probably gotten over 600 Blow jobs without a condom, of those, many were probably high risk performers for HIV. I just did my last 6 month total STD screening and came up negative for everything. I was tested for all Hepatitis viruses, HIV, syphilis, Gonorrhea, clamydia, TB, and more! Negative on all fronts.
Now get one the straight here. I personally believe you can get HIV from oral sex. I've read to much evidence of it. Sure, they claim there has never been a "documented case" but do some web searches, there are thousands of guys out there just like many of you. These guys played the field for years. They did exactly what I did and many of you do also, they wrapped up with a condom for intercourse and took their blow jobs bare. Many have turned up HIV positive. However, the CDC will not document their cases, as for there to be "documentation", the event must be isolated to the an exact event, time, place, from a single exposure. Then other evidence is required such as strain and DNA matching of the virus.
So I think it's safe to say, that many have caught HIV from oral sex, probably not via saliva as this acts as an HIV blocker, but most likely from blood, even small amounts in the mouth. How often does your mouth bleed? Imagine if you had bad oral care? It's possible
Bottom line as I've stated hundreds of times before, it's your life, it's your risk. You decide. I will say the ignorance in this forum regarding HIV and how it is and is not infectious is frightening. You people are all really ignorant, no offense, but if you're going to play the mongering game, you really need to educate yourselves as to exactly what you're risking and how to prevent it.
Last, don't be fooled by the media hype about HIV medications. In the USA, the most advanced medical nation on the planet, if you're infected with HIV today, your life expectancy is still only going to be about 20 years.About half of those 20 years will not be very pleasant. Of those 20 years to survive that long, you will have to take dozens of pills a day, slowly eroding your bodies muscle and fat tissue. You will have serious neurological side affects and eventually these medications will fail leading to AIDS. If the meds do not fail you and they do in almost everyone taking them due to the virus's ability to mutate, you will die due to severe side affects and permanent radiation damage.
Bottom line, quit trying to "beat the system" and keep it covered! Sure it does not feel as good, but damn people, many of you have wives and kids. Think about them for a moment. Are they not worth a little loss of sensation? Please!
You had 600 BBBJ but no Hiv so where is the logic.
What is your source for that 22/1200 or 1.8% statistic? I mean, I know you are full of bullshit and don't have a source for it, but I'm just checking. And if you should happen to have a source, which I know you don't because you are so full of bullshit, what percentage of the people in the numerator are intravenous drug users?
I bet you could take an IQ test and it would come up negative as well.
Earlier Getting No Tang posted the following, which is also bullshit, but contradicts his more recent bullshit:
"Actually I agree with what you posted here, but on the brighter side of things, a cure for HIV is coming soon.
There have been 5 breakthroughs in the past 6 months regarding scientific studies on treating HIV. The latest promising venture is from Israel where they used a vaccine to block HIV from connecting to uninfected cells, they then combines this with current inhibitor treatments, they were able to eradicate HIV from monkeys using this method. Looks real promising for people too, although those studies are still about a year away in people.
In France, they treated 80 patients with nothing but a single dose vaccine injection recently designed, from just one injection, they were able to reduce the viral load BY 90%, or greater in 78 of the 80 volunteers! Most have sustained the 90% plus reduction for going on 18 months. Some are still seeing the virus be reduced even at 18 months out. Several are now at undetectable levels, or less then 50 parts per sample! This is not a cure, but if this procedure holds in the pattern it is, it would mean a once per three year, maybe even only once per five year vaccine injection and this would be able to suppress the virus indefinitely.
There are scores of promising studies from the USA too, these are more aimed at long term treatment and suppression through single dosing, eventually the goal is to reduce dosing to a once per month pill or injection.
I read an article last month, that most HIV top scientist estimate a cure, or long term, easy treatment will be widely available in the next 5 years or less."
GettingTang
07-31-05, 06:51
go ahead dickhead, keep banging bareback and see where it gets you. i've seen so many come and go just like you. they thought they could beat the system. you're problem, like so many others before, is you are trying to justify your behavior, by finding your own rational risk assessment. i will remind you one last time. hiv is a virus, it does not care who you are, or what you think.
you're likely already infected, or your too afraid to find out.
and for the record, there are many on this site, who are known to be infected and are bare-backing women in se asia intentionally infecting them. yes, that's right. funny thing is, when these individuals show up for their departing flight, federal officers will be waiting for them.
i know of one individual, who's wife had already identified him via his photos and notified the proper authorities of his hiv status. the fallout is coming boys. i guess the story he told his wife about some new hiv therapy in distant se asia, included banging ****d girls with no condom while being hiv infected. he should have a fun homecoming, or lack there of.
GT, you're missing the point. Dickhead points out that in your zeal you toss a lot of opinions and unsupported "facts," which are sometimes contradictory in nature, and that undermines rather than helps your evangelical position.
When you post things such as in your previous post which are completely vague and unverifiable ("there are many on this site, who are known to be infected and are bare-backing women in SE Asia intentionally infecting them") where you convey that you have special inside knowledge and that therefore everyone should give extra weight to your statements, it has completely the opposite effect since it comes off as baloney.
I've not seen DH say he thinks bareback is the way to go, but I'm with him that hyperbolic assertions don't help edify or educate -- they only give people reason to think they're being fed a plate full of bullshit.
So where's the source for the bullshit you posted earlier? And where have I ever posted anything about barebacking? I never have, of course. But then again I don't poke dick holes in my underwear like Gallo Inglés recommends. You, on the other hand, contradict yourself in your own posts all the time.
Just admit you made that number up about 1.8% of those infected with AIDS being heterosexual. Just flat out made it up. Come on, admit it.
GT post #1: "A cure for AIDS is coming soon."
GT post #2: "Don't be fooled by the media hype about HIV medications."
Seems rather contradictory to me. Just like GT post #3: "Statistically, if a male who has HIV screws a female, unprotected and cums in her vagina, it takes an average of 100 exposures for her to become infected. If the female is the infected one, it takes about 3000 tries on average, for the male to become infected."
Where's your source for that one?
GettingTang
07-31-05, 19:42
Since somehow, I've been appointed the WSG's HIV "Expert" I'll be back with many scientific links to support my recent posts.
However, keep in mind, a time line was not given for a "cure" In articles recently read, most scientists feel a cure will come but probably not likely within the next 40-50 years. Man has never been able to completely eradicate any virus, only the body's natural immune system has been able to do this. And with HIV, the immune system is unable to keep up with it.
What is more likely to happen in the near term, is immune based therapies, that will alter the course of long-term HIV treatment away from highly toxic therapies that basically still end your life prematurely. These therapies are likely at least 10-15 years away from being readily available at your local pharmacy. So my point was simply, if you catch HIV today, as things stand currently, you're still pretty much fucked! Understand now?
So, for those of you with some capacity for reading very interesting scientific data, I'll be posting here later this afternoon, lots of links and data to let you know all about the different risks and treatments for HIV.
And yes, HIV is most difficult for infection from female to male, but not impossible. There is a difference. There are recent studies indicating males are 70% more likely to be infected from a female if he is uncircumsized. The reason is that in the uncircumsized male, you have white blood cells or receptor cells on the surface of the uncircumsized area. These are the cells in which HIV attaches itself to for infection. If you guys want to learn a thing or two, about how your risking your lives, stay tuned. I'll be back.
"I do think a vaccine for HIV will come in about five more years"
GT posted that three weeks ago. Now it's 40 or 50 years. My, how time flies. Oh, well; I'm off to get circumcised.
GettingTang
07-31-05, 20:55
That was what is called a theraputic vaccine, not a preventative vaccine. Theraputic vaccines are immune based therapies.
ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters Health) - Circumcision, or removal of the foreskin of the penis, is known to reduce the risk of HIV infection, and now researchers may understand why. The findings could help in the development of new therapies to prevent the spread of the AIDS-causing virus.
According to Carlos R. Estrada from Rush-Presbyterian-St. Luke's Medical Center in Chicago, Illinois and colleagues, about 80% of HIV infections occur during sex, and the route of entry for most HIV-infected men is via the penis. Circumcision is known to reduce the risk of infection 2- to 8-fold, but the reason why has been unclear.
In their study, presented here Saturday at the American Urological Association's annual meeting, researchers evaluated 14 samples of foreskin tissue from children and adults. They also examined specimens of female cervical tissue.
To determine how susceptible the tissue might be to HIV infection, they counted the number of three types of immune system cells that are known to become infected with HIV in each specimen. The researchers counted CD4+ T-cells, macrophages and Langerhan's cells.
Compared to cervical tissue, the foreskins contained higher numbers of the three infectable cell types. Adult foreskins contained the highest proportion.
Further, when they tried to infect the samples with HIV, they found that the inner surface of the foreskin was seven times more susceptible to infection than the cervical tissue and the outer foreskin.
"During sexual intercourse, this inner layer is the area that becomes traumatized and infected," Estrada told Reuters Health. "In fact, we were not able to infect the outer layer of foreskin."
According to Estrada, adult patients that have had recent infections, whether sexually transmitted diseases or some other type of infection, also have a higher proportion of these infectable cells, and therefore may be at increased risk of HIV infection.
Estrada and colleagues also measured the numbers of HIV-specific receptors on the surface of the cells. These bind to the virus and help it to gain entry into the cells. One type, called CCR5, was especially predominant.
The researchers suggest that agents capable of blocking these HIV binding sites that could be applied topically to the penis or vagina should be developed.
"The US is one of the few countries in which circumcision is performed on a regular basis," Estrada said. "We think that in a third world country such as Africa, where AIDS is an epidemic, circumcision of children could provide a protective effect down the road."
In recent studies in Africa, infection rates were increased by more then 70% in males uncircumcised. In one study, 140 males were uncircumcised and 130 males who had been circumcised were followed for a period of 2 years. These males engaged in high risk heterosexual activities. After two years, 42 of the 140 uncircumcised males tested positive for HIV, while 8 of the circumcised males were positive for HIV.
http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/HIV/hill-denniston1/
This above article claims that heterosexual intercourse as a source of HIV/AIDS has been way overstated.
http://www.ahrp.org/infomail/05/07/05.php
This one points out that circumcision also reduces the risk (for women, obviously) of uterine cancer.
This one, from the Center For Disease Control, points out that not only are over one-third of all US AIDS cases traced to IV drug use, but many others are traceable indirectly to drug use due to the unsafe behaviors it may lead to.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/facts/idu.htm
"In June 2002, a study conducted amongst 135 HIV-negative Spanish heterosexuals, who were in a sexual relationship with a person who was HIV-positive, reported that over 19,000 instances of unprotected oral sex had not lead to any cases of HIV transmission."
And it was CIM in 34% of the cases. Here's the link:
http://www.avert.org/orlsx.htm#q3
Let's see. I have a life expectancy of 32 more years, or 11,688 days including leap years. So, if the above article is accurate, I could get approximately 1.63 uncovered blow jobs a day, with .55 per day being CIM, and not get HIV.
Now suppose 19,000 blow jobs had led to one instance of HIV, which then might or might not lead to AIDS. 1 / 19,000 = .00005262 probability. So I think I will stop reading this thread and find some hooker to blow me until I spew in her mouth.
"Here is a fact, look it up, if you don't believe me. 85% of HIV positive people have a little ailment called seborrheic dermatitis. Now this varies in severity from person to person, but almost all will develop it and have a harder time treating it as the disease progresses.
We also know, that in the general population, less then 3% of people have seborrheic dermatitis, outside of HIV, yet 85% with HIV have it!
When seborrheic dermatitis is found anywhere but the scalp area, it raises the percentages it is related to HIV. When it is found anywhere else on the body besides the face and or scalp, this almost certainly means HIV infection!"
I didn't believe him. I looked it up. It's bullshit. This link
http://dermatology.about.com/cs/seborrhea/a/seb_aids.htm
says that "up to 85% of [HIV infected people eventually develop SD]." That is not the same thing (since if 85% eventually develop it, far fewer than 85% would have it, but GT is not smart enough to make that distinction), and also this link is not a scientific site but rather a site run by dermatologists, who are biased and would like to scare you into using their somewhat questionable services whenever you have a rash.
Oh, and by the way, "seborrheic dermatitis" is just plain dandruff. So if you believe GT, don't fuck anyone with dandruff.
"So, for those of you with some capacity for reading very interesting scientific data, I'll be posting here later this afternoon, lots of links and data to let you know all about the different risks and treatments for HIV."
You ain't posted shit.
"You're likely already infected, or your too afraid to find out."
Post anything more like that, and we will have a personal problem.
GettingTang
08-01-05, 05:09
Anyone who claims "personal problem" based on a forum message board about paying for sex already has a personal problem problem.
And dickhead, (name suits you so well) dermatology manifestations are the most common symptom associated with HIV. In fact is usually the first symptom after primary infection and during the period between HIV and Aids phase!
As for SD, it is not the same as dandruff you idiot. Dandruff is on your scalp. SD is one you face, chest, armpits and groin. When it is on the facial and scalp area, this is very common. When it is found in the armpits, chest and groin, it almost always involves immune suppression. That's a fact! It is not always flaky, but a flat bright red persistent rash. Any women I stumble across with SD is not getting my willy. Sorry! Also, SD is far less common in women then men. In some ethnic cultures is does not exist outide of immune supresion. Certain Indian and Somoans do not get SD, or dandruff, if they do, it's usually do to a severe immune disorder.
I completely stand by that posting.
GettingTang
08-01-05, 05:14
Dickhead,
Enjoy your BJ tonight? Did he or she smoke crack? Here is a little something for you dumb ass to be aware of.
For a variety of reasons including malnutrition and poor oral hygiene, those who inject drugs and/or smoke crack cocaine have a high prevalence of oral sores. In addition, crack cocaine smoking can cause blisters, sores, and cuts on the lips and in the mouth. Sores, blisters, and cuts can facilitate the oral transmission of HIV.
6. Oral sex is known to transmit other STDs (e.g., herpes, gonorrhea) which can in turn increase the risk of transmitting HIV through oral sex.
7. During oral sex, it is the individual whose mouth is on an HIV infected partner's genitals (and thus who might be receiving into their mouth that person's semen, preseminal fluid, or vaginal/cervical secretions) who has more risk of acquiring HIV than an individual whose genitals are receiving oral sex from an HIV infected partner. However, even those people whose only risk has been receiving oral sex on their genitals from an HIV infected partner have become infected through oral sex. Depsite documentation, it does happen.
Powder cocaine is so cheap down here that crack is unheard of.
"Seborrhea is also known as seborrheic dermatitis or common dandruff." Here's my source:
www.medicinenet.com/seborrhea/article.htm
Of course, having sources isn't really important. What's really important is repeating one's self over and over again and then using personal attacks on any critics to give even more weight to what one is saying. It also helps to have a lot of misspellings; many scientific-type people have poor spelling and grammar. It's a sign of intelligence.
“uncovered oral sex= very minimal to no risk for HIV.”
Source: Getting Tang, of course, posted on 4 September of 2004.
Here's some more great stuff, all courtesy of Getting Tang:
10/14/04: “HIV in normal heterosexual acts is not very contagious”
9/26/04: “Among the gay community they have coming out parties now, for those who purposely get Aids and did so for the fun of it!”
9/17/04: "THE GREATEST GIFT A WOMAN CAN GIVE TO HER MAN, IS TO BE SUBMISSIVE!"
9/16/04: “In most third world countries 20-50% of working girls are HIV[sic].”
GettingTang
08-02-05, 02:21
oh, no, oochie ouchie, that hurt dickhead.
Hey here is a few more your forgot.
How about the time I found God, or how about the time I claimed to be a little old lady, or how about the disclaimer in my monger reports indicating all posts might not even be true? There is just few for ya.
Now I on the other hand I took the liberty of going through your past posts. I only looked at few of them. I came up with a disclaimer for you.
"I try to rationalize my fear of HIV by failure to test, because it's oh so scary. I try to rationalize not covering my willy, because Damn it, this virus somehow has to know I'm no homosexual man taking it up the ass. It knows better then to infect me! "
Try as you might dickhead, no matter what you say, it's a virus. Understand? If it finds a way into your blood stream, however that might be, you're doomed. It really could give a shit if you Gay, or shoot up drugs. IT DOES NOT CARE BUDDY!
And for the last time, I completely agree that heterosexual sex is by far the most difficult manor for the virus to be transmitted from the female to the male. It IS rather easy to go from male to female. I have never stated otherwise. So where is your argument? You keep posting stuff I said about this, as if your proving something? I agree! However, once again, the term difficult and impossible are not two of a kind! if you take risk after risk, after risk like most mongers do, eventually your luck will run out! Maybe the first time, maybe the 5000th. Who knows, but it will happen.
One last time dickhead, tell us all how HIV somehow understands who is Gay and who is not. The scientists of the world are eagerly waiting.
Hey dickhead, seriously old buddy pal, I dare you to get tested for HIV. Too chicken?
And if you want case history and proof. I'll bring article after article, if you agree to actually read it. I must warn you though, guys like you will be terribly frightened by it. All because you can't and won't cover your little bitsie winnie, tinie tiny, wenier.
GettingTang
08-02-05, 08:14
Ever get a blow job from a meth user?
From yahoo just reported today.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050801/hl_afp/ussocialdrugs_050801170937
It's syndrome called meth mouth. It causes rapid tooth and gum decay. People are going to the dentist with the mouths literally falling out. Teeth rotting, bleeding, sores, infectious puss. Many of these individuals have HIV. Has one blown you lately?
Don't forget, HIV is more ripe and prevalent and ready to infect in infections that contain pus, then it is in blood, semen, vaginal secretions combined! This is because HIV infects t-cells which are a member of the white blood cell group. When you have an infection like in the mouths of crack cocaine users and meth addicts, what happens? Does anyone here remember 6th grade science. The white blood cells rush to the surface to fight the infection. Guess what if riding on those white blood cells? HIV!! (assuming the giver of your blowjob is infected of course).
Enjoying your bareback blow jobs boys? Dickhead, did you risk it again today?
Get tested and keep it covered boys!
Actually, I got three BBBJs today (yesterday now, I guess) although none was CIM. But that's my fault. I get tested for HIV/AIDS (down here it is SIDA) every six months and also whenever I donate blood. I've been doing that for probably fifteen years now. Last time was in April. Negative and have the paper to "prove" it. Of course that doesn't prove anything since there is an incubation period.
Nobody uses meth down here, but I've probably had any number of BBBJs from coke users. By the way, quotation marks are typically used when somebody actually said something, not when you just want to add more emphasis to bullshit.
Could we all just agree that the only safe sex would be masturbation (presuming you are not using a steel wool glove.)
You are both correct, but getting shrill, or pedantic about it contributes little IMHO.
Cheers,
Sporadic
GettingTang
08-02-05, 21:03
Not cool dickhead and depending on what state you reside in, possibly against the law!
You're not supposed to donate blood if you have sex with prostitutes. Are you really too cheap to just pay for a damn test? Did you not read the questions they ask prior to donating blood?
I find it hard to believe, given your character that you would donate blood out of compassion or a need to give. I do believe you're just the type of person who would risk the lives of others by donoting blood as a means to screen yourself for HIV. What a crook of shit.
If you;re going to risk your own health and have sex daily with street *****s, fine, do what you please, but to take your risk and pass it onto other innocent people is just sickening. People who engage in regular sex with hookers, should not be donating blood. That's just sick!
I answered all the questions honestly. They screen the blood here before they use it. I don't live in the United States and they can shove their laws up their ass. I don't donate blood to get screened for HIV (you can do that for free here); I do that regardless at a private clinic because when donating blood here, you don't get the results unless something is amiss. I have donated over 100 pints of blood, never for any personal gain.
Now go fuck yourself. I'm done with this discussion, and you still haven't backed up a single thing you've said.
I was with three friends at FKK World in Germany on the 1:st of August. I was with one Romanian and one Hugarian girl and my friends each had two Romanians. We have been mongering for six years primarily in German FKK:s but also a lot in Prag and Brno in the Czech Republik. During this time none of us has caught any diseases wich is good since we are all married. 10 days afterwards one of my friends was diagnosed withg gonorreaha wich will probably cost him his marriage. Therew is no possibillity that he could have caught it anywere else.
I want to warn everybody about visiting FKK World due to the fact that they do not seem to control their girls. I will personally stop with OWO because the gonorreaha bacteria transmits through the mouth although the women show no symptoms. There is no way to spot it. I have always enjoyed OWO but now I see that it is to risky.
G Schyman
Travis Bickle 2
08-22-05, 21:54
I am completely shocked and appalled that someone could catch Gonorrhea from having bareback sex with a prostitute. I must stop mongering immediately.
Travis
MonterreyDude
08-22-05, 22:16
Well Travis, thing is that you seem to know that you can get STDs and you are aware of the dangers, but some guys seem to disregard the existance of STDs and just go ahead and plunge BB without considering the consequences, believing that they are in no danger of contracting any dangerous diseases.
Which is totally wrong.....
I am completely shocked and appalled that someone could catch Gonorrhea from having bareback sex with a prostitute. I must stop mongering immediately.
Travis
Johnson994
09-02-05, 11:51
I am completely shocked and appalled that someone could catch Gonorrhea from having bareback sex with a prostitute. I must stop mongering immediately.
TravisI caught Gonorrhea from a prostitute from having bareback sex. I just don't know which prostitute gave it to me. I have not stopped mongering and I only have bare back sex.
I have been enjoying occasional fun for some time. Last was about 2 weeks ago when I visited massage parlors in Macau. Anyway yesterday I notice some small littel red dots on my penis. This morning I see there's lot more of them and the coverage has spread. Of course I'm scared and will find a doctor to check it out ASAP. Any one have any opinion of what it might be? I'm married so I guess I better face the worst case scenario of fucking my life up completely. Anything anyone can share to shed some light on my condition would be much appreciated.
Sounds like it might be syphilis.
Organicgrowth
09-05-05, 22:06
actionjunkie,
I agree with DH, however you need to see a GUM doc. If you have any “ulcer” type lesions on your tongue the syphilis it is… (check also your arm pits and groin for swollen nodes.). If it is syphilis, then “ulcer fluid” will be examined and the bacteria are easily seen. You might also get tests for specific antibodies in the circulation (blood test).
About your Mrs. There are hundreds of cases of no-sexually transmitted syphilis caused by bacteria which can enter through a cut or breaks in the skin of the penis. In fact I should just tell the Mrs. That you caught your Johnson in the zipper and now its out of action…… "but honey I still got my tongue, come here babe!…”
Best wishes, Havanaman
Chocha Monger
09-07-05, 04:20
Actionjunkie,
Mr. Dickhead might be right about you having a syphilitic dick but there is also the possiblity that it may be a raging case of genital herpes. It's hard to differentiate between the two given the limited clinical information on your case. Your mention of two weeks puts you in the incubation zone for either one of these diseases. Better see a doctor and get some lab work done STAT!
As for Mrs. Actionjunkie, tell her that she doesn't turn you on anymore and you want a divorce. Make sure that you get a damn good lawyer first though and keep your dick, medications and medical documents hidden. Sure leaving her will hurt you, but not as much as she will hurt you in and out of divorce court if she finds out that you have a diseased dick from fucking around.
Good luck,
Chocha Monger
http://www.medhelp.org********STD/messages/790.html
http://www.afraidtoask.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Board=UBB1&Number=163820
http://www.medhelp.org********dermatology/messages/33458.html
http://www.healthboards.com/boards/archive/index.php/t-170297.html
Throw this into your browser to get the results:
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=symptoms+small+little+red+dots+on+penis&sp=1&sm=Yahoo%21+Search&toggle=1&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-tab-web-t&SpellState=n-3920486971_q-VLXSS5GxILAli12dZfM3MgAAAA%40%40
Red Spots: Some leads for you here. Note the guy who was getting a bbbj from a dog.
Bottom line is you might be ok but go check it out professionally. And remember as skanks are skanks, fucking them is like drinking the waters of New Orleans or, indeed, being born again in the Ganges.
It never ceases to amaze me that some guys who monger, don't take precautions because the girls get regular checkups, she looked clean, or she smelled clean.
These are prostitutes we are talking about. They are only as clean as their last trick. The guy who had her before you might have had bumps or sores on his dick or tongue, or worse.
I guess that it's a case of to each his own, but I shake my head when I hear of guys going bareback or DATY with providers.
Willie
herpes don't look like little red dots
Chocha Monger
09-08-05, 07:13
Maybe he got a bad BBBJ and caught SIDA. Who knows?
Chocha Monger
09-10-05, 07:53
Actionjunkie,
What is the final verdict concerning that rash on your pecker? BBBJ connoisseurs would like to know, so don't keep the entire forum in suspense or we may presume that the worst has come to past.
Hijinxjohnson
09-12-05, 11:48
I caught it 1st time after covered sex with SW in San Francisco. I went to (the 7th st)clinic and first they said it was jock itch, but Inever had jock itch before so I believed them. I went back after jock itch creme failed and they said it was a "rash" (like duh) but it wasn't a STD (even though i got it after sex!) because it was (is) on my balls.
Anti itch creme seems to work, Right now I don't have med insurance (new job)
& now live in a new city (Rreno) so am unfamilliar with std clinics. I had a flare up after BBBJ and covered sex with SW here in Reno.
Anyone else have any ideas what the hell it is?
Chocha Monger
09-13-05, 16:44
Jock itch can be hard to cure on the balls even with a prescription strength anti-fungal cream. It requires religious application of the cream for as much as 14 days. The balls must be kept clean, dry and sweat free. If your job requires you to move around a lot this will be no easy task. Allowing the ball sack to hang loose and air dry at night helps.
It might also be a case of contact dermatitis. Consider what you used to scrub your balls and clean up after sex.
For all you guys that hate latex there is a somewhat new condom on the market, well new for me.
Durex was the 1st to come out with a no latex model but after a few field tests it just did not come up to standard. It just kills the mojo, if you get my drift.
This condom comes in a very handy 3 pack as big as, and a little thicker than a credit card, which fits nicely into ones wallet, pocket, pouch etc, etc.
As for the feel,well you will just have to buy and try.
Attached is a photo of the package and the name is Unique and made in Colombia which in itself is interesting.
Anon Sailor
09-22-05, 02:17
If you’re getting jock itch a lot or it hangs in there far too long you might want to get your blood sugar level checked. It is quite common for diabetics to have continual fungus infections.
Jock itch can be hard to cure on the balls even with a prescription strength anti-fungal cream. It requires religious application of the cream for as much as 14 days. The balls must be kept clean, dry and sweat free. If your job requires you to move around a lot this will be no easy task. Allowing the ball sack to hang loose and air dry at night helps.
It might also be a case of contact dermatitis. Consider what you used to scrub your balls and clean up after sex.
Avoid seeing any lady who uses olive oil or baby oil as her lubricant, the chance of a condom break rises astronomically. Also avoid BBBJ at all costs. I just can't see how that activity can be safe for either parties.
Thanks for those who offered helpful advise and sorry for not follow up. Been working like a dog. I checked with a doctor in HK a few days after posting. According to him it's nothing. Just a small skin rash. In fact by the time I saw him it really wasn't showing up. He gave me some anti-fungal cream and I've been applying. Seems everything is back to normal.
On the other hand, just to be sure I would still like to get some blood work done. Just need to stop traveling long enough to get it done.
Chris Jent
10-13-05, 11:24
Can you get HIV from BBBJ? Just wondering how safe is BBBJ, because ladies here always provide BBBJ, they don't do CBJ. Once I asked a lady to do CBJ and she thought I was crazy.
Yusta Vansel
10-21-05, 17:17
A man receiving oral sex is generally not at risk, because that person is coming into contact only with saliva. But a man can get HIV from BBBJ (oral sex without condom) if there are open sores on his penis and the woman with HIV. HIV cannot go through the skin unless there are open sores or bleeding cuts. In general, oral sex is much less risky for HIV transmission than anal or vaginal intercourse. Always use a condom.
Can you get HIV from BBBJ? Just wondering how safe is BBBJ, because ladies here always provide BBBJ, they don't do CBJ. Once I asked a lady to do CBJ and she thought I was crazy.
Chris Jent
10-22-05, 04:03
A man receiving oral sex is generally not at risk, because that person is coming into contact only with saliva. But a man can get HIV from BBBJ (oral sex without condom) if there are open sores on his penis and the woman with HIV. HIV cannot go through the skin unless there are open sores or bleeding cuts. In general, oral sex is much less risky for HIV transmission than anal or vaginal intercourse. Always use a condom.Thanks for your info. Appreaciate it.
Play safe guys.
Yusta Vansel
10-22-05, 06:51
Intercourse (vaginal or anal) without a condom is not safe. Any practice which involves contact with cuts, sores or raw areas is not safe. Remember, even small or microscopic cuts can be dangerous.
Kissing is probably safe if neither person has cuts or sores. There may be some slight risk from saliva.
Low-risk practices.
Fellatio without condom (Risk of HIV infection to insertive partner is extremely low, risk to receptive partner is increased if ejaculation occurs in mouth.)
Cunnilingus without a latex dam
Anilingus without a latex dam
Anal intercourse with condom (with proper use of condom, including placing latex condom on penis prior to any penetration, and using ample amounts of water-based or nonpetroleum-based lubrication with latex condoms)
Anal or vaginal penetration with the hand with latex gloves
The most important ways to reduce your risk are:
Keep your partner's body fluids out of your body. The body fluids to be most careful about are blood, vaginal fluids, and the discharge from sores caused by sexually transmitted infections.
There is new hope for us who dont like to use condoms. Scientists have tested a new microbicide for aplication inside the vagina, which may be sold soon. For those who understand Science-talk. Those of us, who don`t, may google for better explaining articles.
url: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/nature04055.html#top /url
Quote:
Protection of macaques from vaginal SHIV challenge by vaginally delivered inhibitors of virus–cell fusion (title)
Human immunodeficiency virus type 1 (HIV-1) continues to spread, principally by heterosexual sex, but no vaccine is available1. Hence, alternative prevention methods are needed to supplement educational and behavioural-modification programmes. One such approach is a vaginal microbicide: the application of inhibitory compounds before intercourse2. Here, we have evaluated the microbicide concept using the rhesus macaque 'high dose' vaginal transmission model with a CCR5-receptor-using simian–human immunodeficiency virus (SHIV-162P3) and three compounds that inhibit different stages of the virus–cell attachment and entry process. These compounds are BMS-378806, a small molecule that binds the viral gp120 glycoprotein and prevents its attachment to the CD4 and CCR5 receptors3, 4, CMPD167, a small molecule that binds to CCR5 to inhibit gp120 association5, and C52L, a bacterially expressed peptide inhibitor of gp41-mediated fusion6. In vitro, all three compounds inhibit infection of T cells and cervical tissue explants, and C52L acts synergistically with CMPD167 or BMS-378806 to inhibit infection of cell lines. In vivo, significant protection was achieved using each compound alone and in combinations. CMPD167 and BMS-378806 were protective even when applied 6 h before challenge. UNQUOTE
MonterreyDude
10-31-05, 17:41
I agree with Damon but totally not with Cohiba.
I can't believe people that so easily dimiss a danger so great as a STD with a simple "for those of us who dont like to use condoms".
For those of you that like playin Russian Roulette... boy are you guys brave.
Although remember that there is always a bullet in the cylinder, so the chance of getting it is always there.
There is new hope for us who dont like to use condoms. Scientists have tested a new microbicide for aplication inside the vagina, which may be sold soon. For those who understand Science-talk. Those of us, who don`t, may google for better explaining articles.
url: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/nature04055.html#top /url
Quote:
Protection of macaques from vaginal SHIV challenge by vaginally delivered inhibitors of virus–cell fusion (title)
Human immunodeficiency virus type 1 (HIV-1) continues to spread, principally by heterosexual sex, but no vaccine is available1. Hence, alternative prevention methods are needed to supplement educational and behavioural-modification programmes. One such approach is a vaginal microbicide: the application of inhibitory compounds before intercourse2. Here, we have evaluated the microbicide concept using the rhesus macaque 'high dose' vaginal transmission model with a CCR5-receptor-using simian–human immunodeficiency virus (SHIV-162P3) and three compounds that inhibit different stages of the virus–cell attachment and entry process. These compounds are BMS-378806, a small molecule that binds the viral gp120 glycoprotein and prevents its attachment to the CD4 and CCR5 receptors3, 4, CMPD167, a small molecule that binds to CCR5 to inhibit gp120 association5, and C52L, a bacterially expressed peptide inhibitor of gp41-mediated fusion6. In vitro, all three compounds inhibit infection of T cells and cervical tissue explants, and C52L acts synergistically with CMPD167 or BMS-378806 to inhibit infection of cell lines. In vivo, significant protection was achieved using each compound alone and in combinations. CMPD167 and BMS-378806 were protective even when applied 6 h before challenge. UNQUOTE
Hijinxjohnson
11-04-05, 16:23
It's still there but the clinic insist it isn't STD.
They told me to stop using hydrocortisone creme & I am using homeopathic creme from health food store, seems to be working.
Also little johnson was only half mast for awhile but tried stuff from health food stores. Worked good. Homeopathic male virility spray (with testoserone) vit E, and ginseng.
I was drunk with a WL at LOS, and both of us went down to business upon reaching the room. Though not a good excuse, alcohol couples with sexual excitement is a potent combination: We did it bare that night.
2 weeks later I beginning to have STD symptoms: pain when passing water and discharge from penis which point to a classic case of Chlamydia, and the subsequent full STD test confirms it. The infection is easy to treat with an one-day dose of Zithromax which I just had few days ago.
Still, my advice is to use the condom whenever, wherever. The experience is not a good one, especially for going through 4 weeks of anxiety, pain during urination, and learning of the test result from the doctor (going to the clinic IS as stressful as it gets).
Kick ass and be cool, :D
Kaki
Hi everybody,
apologies if the question has been asked & answered countless times on this folder, or if there is no sure answer to give. I'll try asking anyway: what are the chances for a guy to contract AIDS or hepatitis by having condom-protected sex with a hooker?
I have - let's say so - a covenant with my wife that I am only going to have oral sex with other women because she is frightened by sexually contracted deseases. I have kept my word to her in all circumstances, but I am growing a bit tired of this particular limitation, all the more so because in my country street walkers are starting to charge the same fee for BJs and BJ + intercourse. :-(
Besides, I am questioning her wisdom: is there any *significant* chance that I get infected by having protected intercourse? Are AIDS and all (or some) kinds of hepatitis transmissible through the vaginal fluids that may come in contact with the unprotected basis of penis during pelvic activity, or even through minor (perhaps invisible) cuts all over the woman's body? Obviously, I do not plan to have intercourse with addicts and such, but I wouldn't mind getting a complete service with some of the better-looking, higher-echelon hookers once in a time.
Is there any reasonably definite answer to my question? Any web site I can visit to improve my level of information? All sites I was able to google tend to be somewhat evasive: "condom decreases risk, but..."; "you should never have unprotected sex, even if no level of protection can fully guarantee...". I realize that absolute certainty is not of this world, but I am looking for some circumstantial advice from an aknowledgable person marking the boundaries of probability, in order for me and my wife to come to a rational decision.
Thanks in advance for any help and please keep up the excellent discussion! :-)
Viator
usually my friends always ask me to do cbj but i am not afraid and always ask the ladies to do the bbbj. my last fj in hc, after bbbj, i experience itchiness in the urinary track whenever i pass [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109). i am so afraid and shy to see doctor. the weird thing is the itchiness seems to come from the location where the testicle tube and [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) track from bladder, so what the hack, i just masturbate to let the sperm come out. guess what, it was cured. still don't know whether this is std. in my mind i want to do cbj, but my little "brother" wants to feel the real lips. every time i do bbbj, i have mixture of feeling.
Hijinxjohnson
11-14-05, 21:53
usually my friends always ask me to do cbj but i am not afraid and always ask the ladies to do the bbbj. my last fj in hc, after bbbj, i experience itchiness in the urinary track whenever i pass [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109). i am so afraid and shy to see doctor. the weird thing is the itchiness seems to come from the location where the testicle tube and [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) track from bladder, so what the hack, i just masturbate to let the sperm come out. guess what, it was cured. still don't know whether this is std. in my mind i want to do cbj, but my little "brother" wants to feel the real lips. every time i do bbbj, i have mixture of feeling.non specific gonheraea, i am sorry to tell you but thats my opinion, see a doctor soon!
Hijinxjohnson
11-14-05, 21:59
However you can get HPV even with a condom, HPV is the most common STD and most of the time not very serious but your wife should get an exam because it can lead to cervical cancer.
I was a fairly active hobbyist for about 3 years. During this time, I may have engaged in 50-60 sex acts. All vaginal intercourse was covered. I gave bare cunnilingus 2 or 3 times; rimjobs many times. I have read on reputable medical sites that it is virtually impossible to contract HIV these ways. I have also received a few BBBJs, but I've also read that getting HIV that way is nearly impossible.
I stopped mongering shortly after I got married (had 2 or 3 rounds after the wedding--it was a hard habit to break, but I did it).
Now I had had unprotected sex of every variety with my wife prior to our wedding, while I was still mongering. I felt it was legit to do so since I was protected with the workers. I might also add that I only did lingerie models, a few asian masage girls, and only one "street" walker one time--that's the only I'm most worried about, even though it was covered.
I have absolutely no symptoms of any STD, but I'm a worrier. I am quite overweight and so is my wife.
However, here is the issue: My wife has recently experienced a rather radical weight loss. She was well over 300 pounds at one point, and has since lost about 60 pounds. We don't know the timeframe of her weight loss, but one day she got on the scale and weighed 60 pounds less than her all time high of a few years ago.
She has NOT been actively dieting or exercising--although her eating habits have changed. Her weight loss is therefore not "unexplained," but rather "hard to believe." She's had a new job for awhile that keeps her away from snacking, etc. Her exercise increase is 0.
I have NOT lost any weight at all during this time. I feel fine. She feels healthier than ever.
Is weight loss alone a symptom?
I know someone's going to say: Get tested. Easy to say. Others can do it. I don't think I really have reason to be scared, but I am scared to death of getting tested. I have not engaged in any unsafe behavior--the most dangerous has been protected vaginal sex.
Tell me: Do I need to be worried?
Has anyone used both Kimono Micro-thins and Beyond 7 condoms? If so, which do you prefer and why?
I have been using Kimono micro-thins for a while, but am looking for something that is even thinner with even more sensitivity. Have heard good things about Beyond 7, but they are pricy. Should I switch to Beyond 7 or stick with the micro-thins? Thanks.
Wanderlust1
12-20-05, 07:15
Might be from adult onset (Type II) Diabetes. She should go in for a physical and get a blood test. She was at risk based on her weight for developing Type II Diabetes. Other symptoms include dry mouth/thirsty, frequent urination, etc. BTW, not the end of the world if she does have Type II Diabetes. Can be managed with diet, exercise and oral meds. But will need to be monitored and managed. You can do more research on this on the internet.
Thought this might interest some of you guys :
FRIDAY, Jan. 6 (HealthDay News) -- New research suggests that the gonorrhea-like condition known as urethritis, perhaps the most common sexually transmitted disease, can spread to men when they're on the receiving end of fellatio.
"This one really nails it down," said Dr. Hunter Handsfield, a professor of medicine at the University of Washington who wrote a commentary about the findings.
Urethritis, a condition related to a number of health problems, such as urinary tract infections and some sexually transmitted diseases, causes inflammation of the urethra. It can lead to genital discharge, burning during urination and redness and swelling at the tip of the penis, said Dr. Jeffrey D. Klausner, director of STD Prevention and Control Services with the San Francisco Department of Public Health. The symptoms "usually signify an infection due to a germ, like a bacteria or virus," he said.
Urethritis usually goes away on its own or is easily treated with antibiotics, Klausner said. But in some cases, it can result in serious complications, including permanent damage to the urethra in both men and women, especially if it's not treated.
According to Handsfield, urethritis brings more men to sexually transmitted disease clinics in the United States than any other condition or disease, and it may be the most common STD among both men and women.
In the new study, Australian researchers recruited 329 men with urethritis symptoms that weren't related to gonorrhea and 307 healthy men. The researchers tested the men and asked them about their sexual habits.
About five percent of the cases were directly related to germs from the mouth, including adenoviruses and a form of herpes. The researchers also found that urethritis without an apparent cause was more common in men who were on the receiving end of oral sex from their female or male partners.
The study findings appear in the Dec. 28 online edition of the Journal of Infectious Diseases.
The research points to the potential influence of normally innocuous germs in the mouth, Handsfield said. "It suggests that some of these cases might be due to bacteria that are entirely normal when they're in the mouth but cause inflammation in the urethra."
This also suggests that men shouldn't assume that getting a case of urethritis from a partner is a sign that she or he has been unfaithful, Handsfield said. The urethritis may have simply come from normal mouth germs.
By contrast, there's no evidence that urethritis is easily passed to women during cunnilingus, Handsfield said. In fact, he said, cunnilingus seems to be safer when it comes to STD transmission than fellatio.
What does the urethritis finding mean for sexually active men? "Men who receive oral sex need to be concerned about STDs and talk to their doctor about what screening tests might be appropriate or how to reduce their risk for getting infections," Klausner said.
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