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[Jackyo]

Hi all,

I want to thank all for the your dedication to this forum. I will be in Madrid the last to weeks of November and I'm planning on hoping over to Germany for my mongering devirginalization. I need guidance on what city I need to arrive into for the following PTs. And which one is more public transportation (bus,metro,train,taxi) friendly. They are:

Dorsten
Mettman
Osnabrueck
Selm
Wagenfeld

I will probably arrive on November 15 or 16 and plan to stay for a couple of days. So if anyone is interested, I can be your grasshoppa.

Thanks again, and keep up the great life.

Chabbie
You need to land in Duesseldorf (or Dortmund or Koeln or Muenster-Osnabrueck).

Theoretically all of these clubs are reachable by cab. Your bill will, however, be astronomical.

The easiest to get to by public transport are Mettmann and Osnabrueck.

From Mettmann-Stadtwald its a fifteen minute walk heading east or you can take a bus heading to Wuppertal-Vohwinkel.

At Osnabrueck Hbf you can take a cab to get to the PT which is near the Autobahnausfahrt Sutthausen. See the last report I cut and paste by Sussex - it cost him something like 7 Euros one-way.

Dorsten is doable too but from Duesseldorf you have several train connections to make. You will go either via Essen or Dortmund then transfer to a train to Dorsten Hbf and then from there to Dorsten-Wulfen. Then you can take bus which runs down the Landstrasse heading east and then take a walk. Or you can cab it from Wulfen.

I've never been to Selm. From the looks of it on a map, its quite far from anything. You would probably go through Dortmund if you were heading in that direction.

You will need to rent a car to get to Wagenfeld. There are buses which go to Wagenfeld but I believe there is one a day and you will have to go via Osnabrueck. You first need to get to Diepholz and then wait for a bus heading to Wagenfeld.

If you've not first been to an FKK club I don't recommend that you start your career at a PT. You may not be ready for it.

You need to learn how to walk first before you learn how to run.

But if you insist on going, I would also not recommend that you start at PT Mettmann.

Where to find info on public transport in NRW? Go visit the Verkehrsverband Rhein-Ruhr website.

www.vrr.de

[CBGBConnisur]

You need to land in Duesseldorf (or Dortmund or Koeln or Muenster-Osnabrueck).

Theoretically all of these clubs are reachable by cab. Your bill will, however, be astronomical.

The easiest to get to by public transport are Mettmann and Osnabrueck.

From Mettmann-Stadtwald its a fifteen minute walk heading east or you can take a bus heading to Wuppertal-Vohwinkel.

At Osnabrueck Hbf you can take a cab to get to the PT which is near the Autobahnausfahrt Sutthausen. See the last report I cut and paste by Sussex - it cost him something like 7 Euros one-way.

Dorsten is doable too but from Duesseldorf you have several train connections to make. You will go either via Essen or Dortmund then transfer to a train to Dorsten Hbf and then from there to Dorsten-Wulfen. Then you can take bus which runs down the Landstrasse heading east and then take a walk. Or you can cab it from Wulfen.

I've never been to Selm. From the looks of it on a map, its quite far from anything. You would probably go through Dortmund if you were heading in that direction.

You will need to rent a car to get to Wagenfeld. There are buses which go to Wagenfeld but I believe there is one a day and you will have to go via Osnabrueck. You first need to get to Diepholz and then wait for a bus heading to Wagenfeld.

If you've not first been to an FKK club I don't recommend that you start your career at a PT. You may not be ready for it.

You need to learn how to walk first before you learn how to run.

But if you insist on going, I would also not recommend that you start at PT Mettmann.

Where to find info on public transport in NRW? Go visit the Verkehrsverband Rhein-Ruhr website.

www.vrr.de

Dorsten and Selm are reachable by public transport, to get to Selm, you need to take a train to the Dortmund Hbf, and then another to the Bork Banhof.

Dorsten, you need to take a train to the Essen Hbf and then another to Wulfen. From Wulfen you need to take a Bus to the Wulfner Markt stop.

[Wanking]

Dorsten and Selm are reachable by public transport, to get to Selm, you need to take a train to the Dortmund Hbf, and then another to the Bork Banhof.

Dorsten, you need to take a train to the Essen Hbf and then another to Wulfen. From Wulfen you need to take a Bus to the Wulfner Markt stop.

Its actually 2 trains from Essen, first to Dorsten main, then to Dorsten Wulfen. From there u can take the bus CBGB mentioned.

[CBGBConnisur]

You could alternatively stop at the Dorsten ZOB and then take a bus directly to Wulfener Markt. Between the two clubs, I like Dorsten a little bit more, much better food, but the women at Selm still have a good attitude.

[Chabbie]

Thanks for all the directions. With all the info and google earth, it will be hard to get lost.

Jackyo - I value your opinion that a PT is not the place to start a mongering hobby. But there are a couple of factors that has tilted my decision towards them. First, I really don't know if I will get another opportunity to go to Germany anytime soon. Second, given the first reason, it is more important for me to have experienced a PT heaven than to have a greater selection of better quality at a FKK. I hope that my reasoning makes some sort of sense.

You stated that Mettmann would not be a wise choice to be the first. I have read and re-read all of the PT threads and every time that I finish reading them I end up changing my mind and rearranging them. So with that being said, I would like to ask you all if there is one PT that would stands out be the better choice for a first timer?

Thanks again for the wealth of knowledge,

Chabbie

[Willem2]

Can anyone tell me if any of the FKKs in NRW offer bondage opportunities / facilities? e.g. beds with bars, ceiling hooks , st andrew's cross etc. ? I'd like to play out my tie and tease fantasy (nothing heavier) possibly with two girls and FKKs seem a safe environment. I've been scanning the NRW forums for some months but have seen no references to this form of plasure anywhere.

Thanks in advance,

Ripple 66http://www.mausi-und-team.de/index.php?option=com_rsgallery2&Itemid=2&page=inline&catid=3&id=31&limit=1&limitstart=1

Mausi's Erotikparadies - Aplerbecker Bahnhofstrasse 5, Dortmund (FKK Aplerbeck)

But this kind of things aren't common in FKK's or saunaclubs. You better could search here : www.peitsche.de or a more related forum.

[Jackyo]

Thanks for all the directions. With all the info and google earth, it will be hard to get lost.

Jackyo - I value your opinion that a PT is not the place to start a mongering hobby. But there are a couple of factors that has tilted my decision towards them. First, I really don't know if I will get another opportunity to go to Germany anytime soon. Second, given the first reason, it is more important for me to have experienced a PT heaven than to have a greater selection of better quality at a FKK. I hope that my reasoning makes some sort of sense.

You stated that Mettmann would not be a wise choice to be the first. I have read and re-read all of the PT threads and every time that I finish reading them I end up changing my mind and rearranging them. So with that being said, I would like to ask you all if there is one PT that would stands out be the better choice for a first timer?

Thanks again for the wealth of knowledge,

Chabbie
I've not been to PT Selm yet but from everything I've read it is pretty good. Wan King and Routard have been and I would ask them since they can do a compare and contrast with other PTs.

I like PT Dorsten but its not what it used to be. This is not a quiet PT, you need to hang out at the upstairs corridor between the two bedrooms and hope that you can snag a pair (the girls work in pairs). During really busy times of the day, your productivity will drop to 0 sessions per hour. As I've said numerous times before, you can surmount this difficulty if you can establish rapport with the girls and make it such that they come looking for you rather than the other way around. I understand the mix of girls has changed. Polish used to be the predominant language. Better start intensive classes now. Can you say F__ me! in Polish?

I like PT Wagenfeld because it is much less hectic than PT Dorsten and the girls take the initiative. It is a hike to get to though and selection-wise it is a notch (okay, honestly several notches) below the PT Dorsten selection.

You can forget PT Muenster unless you like sitting around, talking and smoking. The talking part is difficult if you don't speak German.

You might have fun at PT Osnabrueck. Its got a weird vibe to it though, I think. Its not very clean, the food is borderline edible, the selection of women approaches skanky.

PT Mettmann is an acquired taste which is why I don't think its a good newbie club. You will either like it or hate it. It is also a club where speaking German fluently is a big asset otherwise you might feel left out from the banter which goes on around you constantly. However, having said that they are very friendly and even a monoligualist might have a good time. The other risk is that you might not like the selection but those "girls" give it everything they've got and one could ever tap the level of sexual energy which is generated in one evening at this club they could light up a small town for a whole year.

So as you can see each club has its pluses and minuses and its a matter of what will you compromise in exchange for what. As in most things in life, there is no black and white.

Where should you start? Ideally I'd start the way I did with public sex at normal FKK clubs. Once you've jumped that barrier you are ready for public sex in the open at a PT.

Let me make a couple of suggestions about your itinerary.

I'd not visit PT Wagenfeld without also going to visit FKK Zeus in Osnabrueck-Wallenhorst. Why drive up all that way and not drop by? If you are really feeling adventurous, you might drop by PT Wagenfeld's sister PT, La Rouge. It is also in OS-Wallenhorst and you'd be doing us a favor since no one has reported on it in English yet. Look up Katja. She used to work at PT Wagenfeld, is Russian, blonde and the most perfect tits I've seen anywhere. She, unfortunately, works the other side of the counter now but maybe, just maybe you might persuade her to at least show you her magnificent pair.

I'd not visit PT Dorsten without also dropping by Heavensgate (they are literally within a stone's throw of each other).

[Jackyo]

this was posted by yossarian on the rf and it discusses service options in italy.

its not encouraging, by the way. it also explains why clubs in oesterreich are visited by lots of italians who are used to paying higher prices.

translation to follow when i have time.


aja, nicht ganz. prostitution in bordellen ist verboten. straßenprostitution
wird häufig beobachtet. die polizei schreitet manchmal ein, verhaftet die
mädchen (oft negerinnen) und lässt sie wieder frei.
manchmal geht in sog. nightclubs was. da das aber auch offiziell verboten ist,
wird man dort 250 euro los, ohne dass sex garantiert ist. wenn man pech hat,
zahlt man für eine bessere peepshow oder lapdance soviel, wie man in d für
gepflegten sex ausgibt. fummeln und lecken ist drin, aber viel mehr nicht. das
mädchen darf einem nicht mal einen runterholen.
die mädchen versprechen zwar "pompino", halten es aber oft nicht. abgeschlossene
zimmer sind nicht erlaubt.
doch in italien ist viel verboten, was trotzdem stattfindet, weil es keiner
kontrolliert. schmiergelder sind hilfreich, damit polizisten wegschauen.
prostitution findet in italien meist in privatwohnungen statt, die man über
zeitungsannoncen und das internet findet. wenn man glück hat, kommt man an eine
feurige südländerin, die durchaus das bietet, was man bei kühlen nordälplerinnen
vermisst.
viele italiener fahren in fkk-clubs in österreich. das erklärt die exorbitanten
preise in österr. clubs. andere italiener, die abwechslung vom ehealltag suchen,
treiben es mit kerlen. männliche bisexualität ist weit verbreitet. die aids-rate
ist entsprechend höher.
bist du blond, gut gekleidet und charmant, hast du bei italienerinnen durchaus
chancen. zick nicht rum wie die meisten italienischen männer, lerne italienisch
(wenige italiener sind mehrsprachig) und gib dich locker und seriös. dann hast
du durchaus chancen. viele italienerinnen haben die nase voll von ihren
einheimischen aufgeblasenen gockeln, sind aber selbst nicht immer einfach.
höchstens in einem süditalienischen bergdorf kann es dir noch passieren, dass
dich nach einem flirt der bruder der angebeteten mit der schrotflinte zum
traualtar treibt.
noch besser: lerne schmalzlieder singen und gitarre spielen, gib dich als
italiener aus und vernasche deutsche touristinnen an den badestränden.
fazit: to follow

[Marlow]

if you are blonde, good looking, well dressed, speak some Italian and intelligent the local talent might take a second look at you. Otherwise chum forget it.

In a sentence:
Italian women are hard work.

so 'Brace youself, baby' as the sum total of one's foreplay gets you one up the arras and on your way home.




This was posted by Yossarian on the RF and it discusses service options in Italy.

Its not encouraging, by the way. It also explains why clubs in Oesterreich are visited by lots of Italians who are used to paying higher prices.

Translation to follow when I have time.


Fazit: to follow

[CBGBConnisur]

Italy is not a good place for p4p, btw I am not blonde but a couple of Italian women chased me down a street.

[Jackyo]

if you are blonde, good looking, well dressed, speak some Italian and intelligent the local talent might take a second look at you. Otherwise chum forget it.

In a sentence: Italian women are hard work.

so 'Brace youself, baby' as the sum total of one's foreplay gets you one up the arras and on your way home.... on Italy also blames the high prices for FKK club activity in the Southern German clubs (read this as Baden-Wuerttemberg and Bayern) on their ready accessbility from northern Italy.

The Italians get none so they travel into Germany but the furthest they will travel is Bayern and BW, hence the higher prices in clubs south of the Weisswurstaequator.

[Aibolit]

Gentlemen,

I am planning to be in Frankfurt and Marburg in the next few months, mostly in Marburg. I am new to the FKK and PT scene and would like to try it. I, therefore, will very much appreciate your friendly advice.

Unfortunately, my taste in women is very limited. I'm in my 20s. I prefer very young girls with very slim figures, model look, long legs, passionate attitude. Equally important (and, I know, equallly limiting) - I prefer teenie-looking beautiful fresh innocent faces. On top of all these, I'd like to do the following with these faces:

CIM
BBBJ
GFE
Multiple positions
2 girls at once
Anal

I will be grateful if members could suggest 2-3 most appropriate venues for me to accomodate my annoyingly narrow preferences near Marburg and, if time permits, Frankfurt.

I thank you in advance for all your help.

Aibolit

[Jackyo]

Gentlemen,

I am planning to be in Frankfurt and Marburg in the next few months, mostly in Marburg. I am new to the FKK and PT scene and would like to try it. I, therefore, will very much appreciate your friendly advice.

Unfortunately, my taste in women is very limited. I'm in my 20s. I prefer very young girls with very slim figures, model look, long legs, passionate attitude. Equally important (and, I know, equallly limiting) - I prefer teenie-looking beautiful fresh innocent faces. On top of all these, I'd like to do the following with these faces:

CIM
BBBJ
GFE
Multiple positions
2 girls at once
Anal

I will be grateful if members could suggest 2-3 most appropriate venues for me to accomodate my annoyingly narrow preferences near Marburg and, if time permits, Frankfurt.

I thank you in advance for all your help.

Aibolit
... don't look very good.

There is an Eros Center (read this as Laufhaus).

There is also a club called Erotic Island (oder etwas aehnliches).

This is by Ede from the RF, z. B. about this particular club and about the Laufhaus.


Hallo Mr.Jack ! das sieht aber verdammt nach Werbung für den Laden aus. Ich bin 2 x vor Ort gewesen aber von vielen hübschen Frauen nichts gesehen.
Bei meinen Besuchen waren im Laufhaus 4 Frauen und in der Bar überhaupt keine Frauen. Wenn das so ein toller Laden mit guten Frauen wäre würden wir bestimmt viele gute Postings hier lesen können. Ich würde mich freuen wenn die Betreiber den Service verbessern den er liegt vor meiner Haustür und ich müsste nicht mehr so viele Kilometer fahren um in einen guten Club zu kommen

The RF has one particular series of posts about the general area and they aren't encouraging.

The consensus all seems to point to driving to the Hessen 3 and leaving this little corner of Hessen.

As to your very specific tastes... good luck. Women like this exist but you won't find a single club that has only this selection.

Most clubs don't perform any edits and you will have to perform this function yourself.

My personal experience with women in their teens (18 and 19) is not good. They usually don't know what they are doing and I personally avoid them unless they are just absolutely stunning visually.

But don't take my word for it. Go try it for yourself and then compare and contrast versus the service provided by an experienced pro.

Women in this profession are at their best in their early twenties, IMHO.

Having said this, I'd never, ever dismiss the services of more women who are even older than that even if physically they may not be in their prime. Experience counts for something.

Want to find a specific eighteen year old? Go find Bianca, formerly of the Hof (d.h. the Schieferhof, aka Bernds). She's now at Samya.

Good, decent services but a little hesitant in the exhibitionism department. Nonetheless, a nice talkative, funny girl.

[Toscana]

I would try my luck at FKK World, which is only 35 Kms away. Especially if you have a car.

Whether you find what you are looking for, I do not know, but on a good evening, there is usually a pretty good choice in the looks department. Then you'll have to negotiate the services with the girl(s) you like, but again most of what you are looking for should be available. You'll need a bit of luck and judicious choosing, but we all need that. Good luck, and please report.

If you've never been to an FKK, it's quite a buzz anyway when you first part the red curtain and enter a crowded bar area with upwards of 50 naked girls.

[Jackyo]

I've just come back from a trip to my other hunting ground, Montreal, and had the most amazing experience with this chick I've seen several times.

I book multiple hour sessions with women when I'm there and I had the most amazing time with her.

I was rock hard the entire time and we copulated like bunnies like there was no tomorrow. I had absolutely no compelling need to come and bring it to an end. Needless to say, she had a very good time as she just went from one orgasm to the next.

Is this was Tantric Sex is all about? If it is, I want to experience more of it.

I've been in this state with previous girlfriends before but I have no idea what triggers it and what I need to do to retrigger it.

I think familiarity with my partner has something to do with it. I am less likely to go into this state if I've just met her and we really don't know each other.

I also got along very well with this one chick at Wiago once. I saw her three days in a row and did several long sessions with her each time in which I also achieved the same state of erection equilibrium, for want of a better way of describing it.

Reflection on this topic brought up a discussion we've had earlier with Everhard when he discussed his "Flow Theory".

507529

Could it be he was describing Tantric Sex?

The person most associated with Tantric Sex is Sting (of the Police). Years of practicing Yoga has gotten him to such a state of control over his body that he supposedly has nine hour sex sessions with his wife and never loses his erection during these sessions. (I am more skeptical about him achieving nine hour orgasms but hour long erections I think are doable).

I think I've identified my life objective: How does one maintain a nine hour erection?

Do I need to switch to a vegetarian diet and start intensive meditation (Ommmmmmm)? Do I need to move to India and abandon my decadent lifestyle?

[Everhard]

Jackyo,

I've heard the term tantric sex, but never bothered to check it out. Maybe I will now. If for nothing else to refine my technique, or lack thereof...
I think I've identified my life objective: How does one maintain a nine hour erection?Why not aim for the stars and try to maintain a nine hour orgasm? :confused:

I say Sting is lying. It cannot be possible to fuck 9 hours. You need to eat, drink and [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140);)
I've never fucked 9 hours. Not that I watch the time under these circumstances, but probably 3-6 hours - with the obvious breaks. This was some years ago, but with the right woman I think I'm still up for it. I don't wanna brag but I don't think this abnormal, hence my nickname. Haven't got a clue to how common this is - even without meditation and other preparations (it goes without saying that I'm talking non viagra sex). I never learned how to separate orgasm and ejaculation, so I typically had 1-3 orgasms during these sessions.

Why not press Jackson for a new thread for tantric sex? This would be in line with my own suggestion. Please write an occasional report here on ISG about your Montreal adventures too.

[Akibono]

Jackyo,

Tantric sex does not mean an X hour erection or orgasm. (No one can maintain a multi-hour erection without damaging the hardware.) It is a way of intensifying the sexual experience by prolonging it. The basic principle is to get yourself into a heightened state of arousal and then on the verge of orgasm. Then you stop to let things cool down a bit and repeat the process. When you finally have an orgasm it is supposed to be a full body experience. Another techique is to engage in sex in the morning without release, do the same thing later in the day and finally have the full experience at night. All day you will be thinking about sex! This tension will build up and make the experience that much more intense. In a way, by hanging out at the FKK club and looking at the nude girls, we are doing the same thing.

Another method of tantric sex is to go as slow as possible.

The closest I got to such an experience is with a girl name Vicky (Polish) at GT. I spoke to her earlier in the day and watched her interact with the customers. I could tell she would be a good experience and wanted to wait until the end of the day. When we were in the room, she let me strip off her clothes, very slowly, while we were kissing and fondling. She asked me to keep my robe on, which I found a bit strange. But there was a reason to the madness. On the bed she kept kissing and reaching inside my robe to fondle and tease. It was really stimulating being dressed and undressed at the same time. Sex was oh so slowww. I thought it went on forever. We alternated from being the aggressor to being the passive victim. Things became more and more intense as I neared orgasm. She was quite the courtesan. She kept me on the verge of orgasm for a long time. I was almost at the stage of begging for release. The orgasm was long, intense and amazing from both a physical and mental state.

AH, the things some women know about sex and men's bodies!

[Frankfurter]

Jackyo:

I also always wanted to try it but so far never had an opportunity. As far as I can tell the objective is NOT to have sex with the provider but

a) either experience after hours an immense "internal orgasm" (whatever that is) or
b) no orgasmn at all.

Sounds interesting.

You might want to check this out:

http://www.ananda-massage.com/?gclid=CMfKo7vRyo0CFRI8ZwodkhEHJA

http://www.dakinimassagen.de/dakini%20english/start.htm

I can't wait either for a report or, better yet, my own trip to Cologne.

FF

[Aibolit]

Hi Toscana and Jackyo,

Many thanks for your willingness to help. I fully cognisant of the fact that I will have to be the one doing the selection. Yet, as FKKs are clearly different from one another, I was hoping to maximize my chances to find what I want by picking a right club. I also agree with you that trying someone not so yong may have its benefits.

I understand that whether I'm in Marburg or Frankfurt - the 3 venues that will be reachable for me are: Oase, Palace and World. Am I correct? Are these indeed the places that will have the most probability of finding model-type teenies that do all the things I've described in my 1st post?

I don't think I'll be able to visit all 3 places, but don't mind driving a bit extra to find what I need. So, given the criteria that I've outlined in my 1st post: which 1-2 clubs you would recommend for me to try?

Many thanks, again, for your adivice.

Aibolit


I would try my luck at FKK World, which is only 35 Kms away. Especially if you have a car.

Whether you find what you are looking for, I do not know, but on a good evening, there is usually a pretty good choice in the looks department. Then you'll have to negotiate the services with the girl(s) you like, but again most of what you are looking for should be available. You'll need a bit of luck and judicious choosing, but we all need that. Good luck, and please report.

If you've never been to an FKK, it's quite a buzz anyway when you first part the red curtain and enter a crowded bar area with upwards of 50 naked girls.

[Jackyo]

I understand that whether I'm in Marburg or Frankfurt - the 3 venues that will be reachable for me are: Oase, Palace and World. Am I correct? Are these indeed the places that will have the most probability of finding model-type teenies that do all the things I've described in my 1st post?

I don't think I'll be able to visit all 3 places, but don't mind driving a bit extra to find what I need. So, given the criteria that I've outlined in my 1st post: which 1-2 clubs you would recommend for me to try?

Many thanks, again, for your adivice.

Aibolit
The answers to your questions are:

1) Yes. These are the main clubs in Hessen, otherwise known as the Hessen Three. There are others but these are the largest ones and the most visited by tourists. For the record, I am not a fan of large clubs, ergo I am not a fan of these clubs. There is too much running around, pacing. Everyone is anxious to do business. I prefer quiet, more relaxed environments. I only visit them when I am in the neighborhood, as in when I have to land or take off from FRA, and can't make it to NRW.

2) Yes. Model type? Yeah, sure. Can you do better elsewhere? Yes but given your travel limitations, let's not complicate things. If you like Romanian model types, you will be in seventh heaven.

3) Go visit all three. If I can only visit one club here, I'd pick Oase. If I had two days, I'd do two days at Oase. I don't like the vibe at Palace and I find World great from a facilities standpoint but just average service- and selection-wise. But this is just me. Go decide for yourself.

Read carefully the posts under this thread and make up your own mind about which clubs you should prioritize.

How sensitive are you to service considerations? Would you even know if you were being ripped off, being taken advantage of or being processed? Or are none of these things a factor at all and you are driven by looks only?

I think newbies go through several stages in refining their preferences. I don't know where you are in this learning process.

My personal recommendation for getting a start in an FKK career is Samya in Koeln for various reasons but this club is not in Hessen.

[Wanking]

Just out of hospital, spent 5 days getting blood sugar lowered and being introduced to the world of type 2 diabetes. Only upside was the presence of some hot horny looking nurses, and my cock still works :D

Any other Monger got diabetes?? Anything I should know about mongering and diabetes??

PM if u want to share info as this thread isn’t really suitable…

Dunno when my next trip will be now, as getting sick has screwed my business a little... hopefully september...

[Jackyo]

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times...

I have been asked to do a compare and contrast between these two destinations. There are significant differences which you might find interesting.

Montreal features incall and outcall. Incall is cheaper than outcall is but usually the service offering and selection are worse so bottom line is you get what you pay for.

To do outcall properly you need to put yourself into a proper hotel. We are blessed to have Priceline and can usually book rooms in the luxury to near luxury hotel category for reasonable prices.

Centre Ville is the best place to find a hotel. Its easy for the girls to get to and in the center of where the action is in the city.

In Germany, it doesn't matter where you sleep. You are spending most of the time at a club anyway.

Incall rates in Montreal start at about C$160 per hour and go up from there.

There is a high end class of girls who will not work for less than a two hour minimum and some ask for as much as C$700 for a two hour session and they get it.

In Germany, things are more democratic. Want a session with a 10, she only wants 50 Euros for thirty minutes. Same pricing for a 6 or a 7. There is no high end category.

My biggest complaint about Montreal is that its hard to make a good selection. The major agencies have websites but the photos don't do the women justice. The guys/gals who answer the agency phones don't typically do a good job providing descriptions either.

The result is that you never know who will show up at your hotel room. This randomness sucks.

Also, only the high end agencies accept reservations in advance. Mostly you have to call the lower end agencies in the mid afternoon to determine who is working that day. This adds another aspect of randomness to the selection process.

My ratio of bad/substandard experiences runs about 30% in Montreal. Its only 10% in Germany because I have a better chance of testing chemistry before I commit. She's live and in person. I just need to go up to her and start a conversation.

Because the risk factor of ending up with a bad/substandard session is higher in Montreal, I tend to stick with girls who I know and to do longer sessions with them (two hours and more). I do a lot of repeats and make sure I can rebook them when I can.

I do more sampling in Germany because rates are lower and I can afford to take chances more. Sessions are shorter in Germany, longer in Montreal for the simple reason that hotel rooms are usually more comfortable to spend time in than the rooms at most FKK clubs.

If I find a girl I like in Deutschland I do tend to go back to her and do multiple sessions during a visit.

There is wider selection of women in Germany than in Montreal: various EE women, Mediterranean types, etc...

Most of the women are French Canadian. If you can get over their accents, you are fine. I speak French but its of the Parisian variety.

The Quebecois are genuinely nice and warm people. Let's make that clear.

Big advantage of Montreal over Germany: I can be spontaneous and run up there when I feel like it. I have to plan my trips to Germany way in advance.

[Aibolit]

Thank you, Jackyo, for your reporting and for advice that you're recently gave me regaridng my upcoming trip to FKKs in Germany.

All the very best,

Aibolit.

[Breadman]

[QUOTE=Jackyo]
My biggest complaint about Montreal is that its hard to make a good selection. The major agencies have websites but the photos don't do the women justice. The guys/gals who answer the agency phones don't typically do a good job providing descriptions either.

My ratio of bad/substandard experiences runs about 30% in Montreal. Its only 10% in Germany because I have a better chance of testing chemistry before I commit. She's live and in person. I just need to go up to her and start a conversation.
[QUOTE]

My biggest complaint about the girls pictures is the amount of photoshop/talented photographers who know how to 'take' a girls picture....then when she shows up you've got a girl a couple of notch's down in the looks department. And the phone guys job is to get you the earliest available girl...not the best of his bunch.

And don't forget to add in all the extra's in Montreal...you'll easily spend over $100 a day in food, drinks etc. Hotels are basically double compared to Germany even with Priceline. Airfare from the US to Montreal is almost as high as airfare to Germany (Canadian protection for Air Canada is my guess)...then add on transportation from the airport to downtown (around 90 total if you take a taxi. They do have a train stop at the airport, but I think you have to leave the airport and walk to it (around 1/2 mile away).

No...for me Germany is the better deal. Tons of sex, no time wasted talking or showering on my dime, better selection of women to choose from.

[Routard]

Just out of hospital, spent 5 days getting blood sugar lowered and being introduced to the world of type 2 diabetes.

Sorry to hear that WanKing, so you were too sweet?

[Ekliges Lauern]

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times...

I have been asked to do a compare and contrast between these two destinations. There are significant differences which you might find interesting.I like both destinations but each is a completely different experience. I like Montreal as an interesting summertime travel destination, with good food and friendly locals. In Montreal, I tend to have one lady a day, usually at the end of the day. I've met some really nice sexy pro ladies in Montreal and and probably run about a 80/20 good to bad ratio. And once in a while, you will get a freebee from a local.

Germany's FKK scene is a more full on hard core experience. When I go to an FKK, it's usually for 5-7 hours and I usually shoot for 3-4 experiences, pretty evenly split between Kino BJs and room visits.

Nothing at all unpleasant about hanging out with naked women for for 5-7 hours. I just find Germany is a more hardcore experience where the trip is all about sex, whereas Montreal is a trip to a pleasant city where the sex before bed is a nice by-product. My good to bad ratio in Germany is about 85/15, with cute tiny girls being my achilles heal (they invariably turn out to be Romanians after I commit).

I also am quite fond of Toronto as it has a number of nice asian incalls which are a great way to spend an hour between business meetings. Toronto is more expensive than Montreal.

Shanghai is fun too, if you like asian ladies. The red rope massage is worth the price of admission just for the novelty factor.

For me, I tend to be more service orientent rather than focused on bedding a drop dead beautiful woman. Montreal I can research in advance and do pretty well. Germany's FKK, I tend to split ladies I've been with before and trusting my radar.

Bottom line, it's all good. Each scene is a different experience, like dining at different restaurants. Sometimes you want a gourmet meal, sometimes an all you can eat buffet.

[Ccseeka]

Having just got back Germany and now reviewing my time there, have noticed lately I am not climaxing at times using the clubs condoms. It seems to make the activities take too long in some cases. I am ok without a condom normally to which I can finish in a reasonable time. I am not saying I do without them when using a professional though!

Must be old age creeping up on me. I am mid thirties.

Want to ask anybody here, from their experiences, has anybody seen guys bring their own condoms to the clubs. What type of clubs allow for this. Was thinking for my next trip to use the extra sensitive variety?

Much appreciation for any help on this

Sorry if the topic is off track

[Euro100]

Ditto for me. I have previously made the same comparison on this board, and with the same conclusion. Montreal (most of Canada, actually) is way better than the US :D, but pales compared to Germany.

[Routard]

Yes, I did it! Was in Rio to get the answer: What's the the best, German FKK or Brazilian Terme?

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=626841&postcount=4052

[Wanking]

Apart from my German trips I just dont get any sex at home, due to several reasons that I wont go into here.

I havent had a fuck in 6 weeks, and probably wont manage another trip for at least another 4. Was due a trip next week, but had to cancel due to me getting diabetes, and my doctor advised me to wait a month to get used to the diabetes before travelling again.

So by the time I have sex again it will probably be 10 fucking weeks!!! Shit isnt it??

Ok I know there are many guys reading this who are in a worse situation, some who havent had a fuck in years or maybe never, but I think having to go more than 2 weeks without a fuck is an abuse of a mans basic human rights...

Life sucks!!!

Women dont know lucky they are, I have a mate who has this really hot 25 year old blonde sister, who is "playing the field" as she calls it at the moment, which means she is fucking a different guy every week. Im always joking with her about how our lives exist at totally different ends of the sexual spectrum.
Of course like every other woman in my hometown she has absolutely no sexual interest in me.

Life sucks!!!

Oh I tell a lie, actually there are 2 local women who are interested in me, who I probably could fuck with not too much effort. But they are what i call "minus women". Why do I call em minus women, cos on the 0 - 10 scale, these women are a - 3 and -6, cos they are that unattractive.

God werent the 2 women from ABBA hot back in the day
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YIETc5GiNNc

[Euro100]

So by the time I have sex again it will probably be 10 fucking weeks!!! Shit isnt it??

Oh man, this is harsh!!! Almost like being married, isn't it ;).

Seriously, Wan King, I feel for you. I hope you are getting better soon, that you get your diabetes under control (exercise and diet are important), and that you are soon able to get back into the saddle. We need your report on this forum.

[Euro100]

OK, since Routard brought it up here, here is my contributions to the question "which is better, a German Fkk, or a terma in Rio?"
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=628082&postcount=4065
At that link I collected about 10 post from my two most recent trips to Rio.
Spoiler alert: If you think that it cannot possibly get any better than in a German FKK, and if you are happy with that impression, then don't read what I have to say!

[Breadman]

"which is better, a German Fkk, or a terma in Rio?"


How does the price compare between Rio, Fkk's and Buenos Aires? Girls, airfare, car rental etc...

[Ozouville]

OK, since Routard brought it up here, here is my contributions to the question "which is better, a German Fkk, or a terma in Rio?"
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=628082&postcount=4065
At that link I collected about 10 post from my two most recent trips to Rio.
Spoiler alert: If you think that it cannot possibly get any better than in a German FKK, and if you are happy with that impression, then don't read what I have to say!Euro100,

I have read many, many posts of yours about how Brazil is the best, bla bla bla, to the point of exhaustion. The first time your view was interesting, but now it seems you have this psychotic obsession with telling everyone how much better those "termas" are to our apparently horrible FKKs.

Please don't take this as an insult, but give it a rest man, if you really love those third world brothels then try to get a job there and move there for life, please keep the focus here on FKKs, which is the purpose of this thread.

[CBGBConnisur]

Hard to say, most people I know think South America is hands down the best place for pussy...but dangerous. People wind up in body bags in Rio, tourists are included. Germany is a safe place to travel compared to many parts of the planet. I knew an Argentinian guy who fled the country because he was being extorted for money.

[Euro100]

How does the price compare between Rio, Fkk's and Buenos Aires? Girls, airfare, car rental etc...
Airfare from the US: typically it is 30 to 50% more expensive to travel to South American than Europe.

Car rental: Easy and relatively inexpensive in Germany. I have never rented a car in Brazil. People drive too crazy, and car-jacking is quite common. I only take taxis or in some cases buses.

Girls: Escorts are about half price in Brazil relative to Germany. Terma visits at the Copa are about the same as FKK visits. There are some cheaper places in centro, but they are an acquired taste.


Hard to say, most people I know think South America is hands down the best place for pussy...but dangerous. People wind up in body bags in Rio, tourists are included. Germany is a safe place to travel compared to many parts of the planet. I knew an Argentinian guy who fled the country because he was being extorted for money.
This is absolutely correct! South America is a dangerous place. I have been robbed twice there, once at knife-point. Not a fun experience! And several of my Brazilian friends have had similar experiences and thus would like to leave the country.

@Ozouville: I have had many meeting in clubs with other senior members of this board. And often we compare the pluses and minuses of different places. The experiences of others have always been helpful to me. And when I read cross-links to other good places in some parts of this forum, this also helps me discover new places. (Montreal and Tijuana are two example sin my own experience.) So I try to share the same with other members. If you don't like what I write, feel free put me on your "ignore" list. Oh, one more thing: put up a couple of useful posts yourself before feeling entitled to criticize posts of others. :(

[El Greco]

How does the price compare between Rio, Fkk's and Buenos Aires? Girls, airfare, car rental etc...

Well, RIO became rather expensive for the last to years. That is mainly due to their currency appreciation over the dollar and euro.
About 45% increase plus inflation of about 30%.

A one hour session in one of the termas would be 80-100 euros, all inclusive, although there are other cheaper alternatives.

B's A's is much cheaper in everything. Way much cheaper.

Renting a car in both cities is not necessary and therefor not advisable.

With regard to airfare both cities but especially Rio became more expensive after the collapse of Varig and the closure of air Madrid.

El Greco

[Hessen Bub]

Germany is a safe place to travel compared to many parts of the planet.

I would say Germany is one of the safest places to travel in the whole wide world.

Hessen Bub

[Toscana]

Please don't take this as an insult, but give it a rest man, if you really love those third world brothels then try to get a job there and move there for life, please keep the focus here on FKKs, which is the purpose of this thread.
Euro answered this soberly and correctly. But for the record I am sure the regular contributors agree this thread would be much poorer without him. Hope we shall be able to say the same about Ozouville soon.

[Iseeu]

Euro answered this soberly and correctly. But for the record I am sure the regular contributors agree this thread would be much poorer without him. Hope we shall be able to say the same about Ozouville soon.
Keep it up Euro 100.

[Woof Woof]

Well, RIO became rather expensive for the last to years. That is mainly due to their currency appreciation over the dollar and euro.
About 45% increase plus inflation of about 30%.

A one hour session in one of the termas would be 80-100 euros, all inclusive, although there are other cheaper alternatives.

B's A's is much cheaper in everything. Way much cheaper.

Renting a car in both cities is not necessary and therefor not advisable.

Right about that. The Argentinian peso is one of the few currencies that has not appreciated against the USD in the last twelve months. You can still get a chica, 7-8 in looks, back to your hotel for an 1h of gfe service from a takeout club in the Golden Triangle in Buenos Aires for the equivalent of 50-70 USD.


With regard to airfare both cities but especially Rio became more expensive after the collapse of Varig and the closure of air Madrid.

El Greco

LAN Chile is currently running a promotional fare from NYC to BA with a stop in Santiago, Chile for $617 USD RT.

[CBGBConnisur]

It also depends upon the type of woman you are looking for, there are few Latinas in German FKKs, if you like Eastern Euro types, FKKs are better. If you like Latinas then you should just go to Rio.

If I had to compare Argentinian vs. Brazilian women that is a big toss up, both are cute.

[JuiceGuy]

This is only my second time to Germany and my first time to the Dusseldorf / Cologne area. I do not know what to expect. Does anyone know of any FKK in or around this area?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks.

[Hessen Bub]

www.samya.com
www.goldentime.de
www.fkk-livingroom.de
www.planet-happy-garden.info

Enough for a start?

Hessen Bub

[Jackyo]

This is only my second time to Germany and my first time to the Dusseldorf / Cologne area. I do not know what to expect. Does anyone know of any FKK in or around this area?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks.
Read the posts and you shall find. This section of the forum is crawling with suggestions.

If you then have specific questions, you can get back to us but you need to make an effort first.

[Defragm]

Hi All,

I plan to visit Munchen on Wednesday but I didn't find any report on a FKK in Munchen. Or maybe it is under another name.

The only web address I found is http://www.fkkmuenchen.de, a club called Sudfass. Is this club ok? Is that worth going there?

Thx for any comment.

Def

[Jackyo]

Hi All,

I plan to visit Munchen on Wednesday but I didn't find any report on a FKK in Munchen. Or maybe it is under another name.

The only web address I found is http://www.fkkmuenchen.de, a club called Sudfass. Is this club ok? Is that worth going there?

Thx for any comment.

Def
... good clean fun as a tourist is all you can look forward to during your visit.

There are no FKK clubs in Muenchen worthwhile recommending. As a rule, services are more expensive south of the Weisswurstaequator and the women charge for extras that they don't charge for further north.

Sudfass Oase in Pasing is a known club but its not exactly a destination club. If you have time and money to burn do drop by and let us know what you think.

The RF does not have many posts about it though it is well known. This could be because it is not up to par with the clubs in Hessen and NRW.

You might visit ColA in Augsburg which is about an hour away by train. Information on this club is available here on this forum.

It may be the only club worth visiting when you are down south.

[Euro100]

Just like Jackyo, I think that München is NOT an FKK destination. I have been to the Pasing Sudfass. It is way overpriced! Some of the women are stunners, but not worthe the 300 euro and up you have to pony up for the pleasure. I left Sudfass unfucked.

ColA is the opposite. Located in Augsburg, 45 minutes form Munich by car. Excellent service, on par with the clubs around Frankfurt, and with pretty much the same prices.

[All For Bb]

I have a few questions: if I do anal in phg, golden time etc clubs, how much is for 30 min? how about 60min? I remember it is 50 euro more for 30 min, how about anal for 60 min then? Is that 125 euro total for 60 min (75+50) or 175 euro total for 60min (75+50+50)?

If I do oral with cover plus anal for 30 min, is that total 75 (25+50)? Is that true that oral with cover cost only 25 euro for 30 min? Same for phg and golden time and parksauna wildenrath? Is parksauna wildenrath a fkk or a suana club? Please advise. Thank you very much since i will visit these 3 clubs in about 2 weeks. Thank you for information and advise. Is Ying Yang worth to visit? Is that easy to cross boadline and easy to drive there?

all4bb

[DFWdude]

Airfare from the US: typically it is 30 to 50% more expensive to travel to South American than Europe.

Car rental: Easy and relatively inexpensive in Germany. I have never rented a car in Brazil. People drive too crazy, and car-jacking is quite common. I only take taxis or in some cases buses.

Girls: Escorts are about half price in Brazil relative to Germany. Terma visits at the Copa are about the same as FKK visits. There are some cheaper places in centro, but they are an acquired taste.


This is absolutely correct! South America is a dangerous place. I have been robbed twice there, once at knife-point. Not a fun experience! And several of my Brazilian friends have had similar experiences and thus would like to leave the country.

@Ozouville: I have had many meeting in clubs with other senior members of this board. And often we compare the pluses and minuses of different places. The experiences of others have always been helpful to me. And when I read cross-links to other good places in some parts of this forum, this also helps me discover new places. (Montreal and Tijuana are two example sin my own experience.) So I try to share the same with other members. If you don't like what I write, feel free put me on your "ignore" list. Oh, one more thing: put up a couple of useful posts yourself before feeling entitled to criticize posts of others. :(

Another benefit to the Rio/Termas girls is your time is your time. It does not end just because you came 15 min into the the deed. The girl will likely cuddle with you DFK, and try for round two. Overall I have found the Rio girls better GFE, but the women at FKK better looking. Plus I tend to like the open sex, the girls walking around naked

[Warsteiner]

I have a few questions: if I do anal in phg, golden time etc clubs, how much is for 30 min? how about 60min? I remember it is 50 euro more for 30 min, how about anal for 60 min then? Is that 125 euro total for 60 min (75+50) or 175 euro total for 60min (75+50+50)?


Anal should be €50 extra for the session regardless of whether the session is 30 mins or 60 mins.


If I do oral with cover plus anal for 30 min, is that total 75 (25+50)? Is that true that oral with cover cost only 25 euro for 30 min? Same for phg and golden time and parksauna wildenrath?


I don't know of any clubs that will only charge €25 for BJ with a condom and sex. I haven't been offered this in GT or PHG and I can't imagine any of the girls being happy to have their money reduced by €25 just for having a BJ with a condom rather than BBBJ


Is parksauna wildenrath a fkk or a suana club? Please advise. Thank you very much since i will visit these 3 clubs in about 2 weeks. Thank you for information and advise.


I think that Wildenrath, like most of the clubs in NRW, is a sauna club where the women are either topless or wear lingerie although you will always get one or two women who are naked in these clubs. There is a topic dedicated to Wildenrath so have a look there,


Is Ying Yang worth to visit? Is that easy to cross boadline and easy to drive there?


It'e very easy to cross the border as there are no border controls/guards at all. I've only been to Ying Yang once and that was on a very quiet Monday afternoon so it probably wasn't the best time to visit. Have a look in the 'Other FKK Clubs' section as there are some posts about Ying Yang.

If you're thinking about visiting a few clubs in NRW then I would definately recommend spending a day in PHG.

[Jackyo]

I don't know of any clubs that will only charge €25 for BJ with a condom and sex. I haven't been offered this in GT or PHG and I can't imagine any of the girls being happy to have their money reduced by €25 just for having a BJ with a condom rather than BBBJ
.. for BJs with and without a condom are Heavensgate and Cocoon.

In the back corners of my mind this used to be an option at the Golden Triangle clubs but it was only an option in theory precisely because it caused the girls to be quite unhappy about having their incomes reduced.

I personally don't care for BJs so I choose the "with a condom option" at Heavensgate and Cocoon but make it up to her by booking extended sessions.

I've had a lot of incorrectly performed BJs which have left me bruised (this goes back to Vanessa at Sankt Augustine-Meindorf). Its the contact with her teeth I'd much rather avoid.

There are only a few women I've met who provide true toothless BJ service.

Svenja at Bernds is one outstanding example.

[Excess]

Starting today at 12:00 German Wings is having a limited sale on flights starting from Euro 9 in Europe including destinations Koeln and Duesseldorf:-))

Book: From 12 noon today until midnight,
19 August (All times CET)
Fly: 01 September until 31 October 2007

www.germanwings.com

[Everhard]

German Wings is having a limited sale on flights starting from Euro 9 in Europe including destinations Koeln and Duesseldorf:-))Yes, but these "sales" occur every other week. Highly unlikely you will find a €9 flight that fits your schedule. Also bear in mind taxes etc which adds €20.

[Jackyo]

The locomotive driver's union guarantees no strikes until after the 27th of August but then after, who knows.

[Toscana]

Highly unlikely you will find a €9 flight that fits your schedule.
You'd be surprised. I've got bargains with this airline on many occasions. The thing with the taxes is of course correct, and this is a significant source of revenue for the airline: they don't refund the taxes on no-shows, while they don't pay them on of course.

[CBGBConnisur]

Anal should be €50 extra for the session regardless of whether the session is 30 mins or 60 mins.



I don't know of any clubs that will only charge €25 for BJ with a condom and sex. I haven't been offered this in GT or PHG and I can't imagine any of the girls being happy to have their money reduced by €25 just for having a BJ with a condom rather than BBBJ



I think that Wildenrath, like most of the clubs in NRW, is a sauna club where the women are either topless or wear lingerie although you will always get one or two women who are naked in these clubs. There is a topic dedicated to Wildenrath so have a look there,



It'e very easy to cross the border as there are no border controls/guards at all. I've only been to Ying Yang once and that was on a very quiet Monday afternoon so it probably wasn't the best time to visit. Have a look in the 'Other FKK Clubs' section as there are some posts about Ying Yang.

If you're thinking about visiting a few clubs in NRW then I would definately recommend spending a day in PHG.

Yin Yang I have heard is more expensive than German FKKs, except for Bernd's I have rarely heard of sessions at German clubs costing more than 50EUR. I generally think Holland is a waste of time and only for Frat boys who have never seen a naked woman before. There are no border guards between Holland and Germany but occasionally the Polizei do spot checks for drug smugglers when returning to Germany.

[Euro100]

Yin Yang I have heard is more expensive than German FKKs, except for Bernd's I have rarely heard of sessions at German clubs costing more than 50EUR. I generally think Holland is a waste of time and only for Frat boys who have never seen a naked woman before. There are no border guards between Holland and Germany but occasionally the Polizei do spot checks for drug smugglers when returning to Germany.

At Bernds the rate is 50 euro / half-hour, just like most other places. Of course, just like at every other place, booking for significantly more than 1/2 hour results in higher fees.

[All For Bb]

qustion to the expert who know women better:

i saw a few very beautiful european blonde girls who have blonde body hairs but black pubic hair. i used to think blonde girls should have blonde body hair and blode pubic hair, in reality, they are not. any explenations? is that mean these blondes are fake?

any one know the difference of tastes of female ejeculation, pussy juice, vagina fluid and [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134)? i guess there is no harm to swallow these fluids from pussy, am i right. i hope women science experts in this board can teach me a little. thanks.

all4bb

[Iseeu]

There are only a few women I've met who provide true toothless BJ service.

Svenja at Bernds is one outstanding example.
You can add Leonie (new, tall, Brazilian, 25 years old, 34C, dark hair in rasta braids, Model type porportions) to your list. It was so good, I just asked to stay in her luscious lip until I came profusely, and she took every drop.

[Excess]

Iseeu and Jackyo,

Wow, you guys are really into the extreme MILF scene. Do you ask her to remove her dentures before entering the zimmer or after? :-)


You can add Leonie (new, tall, Brazilian, 25 years old, 34C, dark hair in rasta braids, Model type porportions) to your list. It was so good, I just asked to stay in her luscious lip until I came profusely, and she took every drop.

Originally Posted by Jackyo
There are only a few women I've met who provide true toothless BJ service.

Svenja at Bernds is one outstanding example.

[Iseeu]

Yin Yang I have heard is more expensive than German FKKs, except for Bernd's
Entry costs to Yin Yang are 50 Euro which is equal to or less expensive than many of the German FKK clubs incl. Oase, World Palace, GT, Bernd's. Actually during the month of August there's a special entry price of only 35 Euro. Session costs are the same as at most German FKK clubs.


except for Bernd's I have rarely heard of sessions at German clubs costing more than 50EUR.
All half hour sessions at Bernd's are 50 Euro, and there's no clock-watching so sessions can easily run 40-45 minutes and still be charged at the half hour rate.


I have rarely heard of sessions at German clubs costing more than 50EUR.
Sessions at Munich clubs can be 100 or more for a half hour.

[Iseeu]

Iseeu and Jackyo,

Wow, you guys are really into the extreme MILF scene. Do you ask her to remove her dentures before entering the zimmer or after? :-)

Right after she shed her maidenform girdle LOL

[Jackyo]

Iseeu and Jackyo,

Wow, you guys are really into the extreme MILF scene. Do you ask her to remove her dentures before entering the zimmer or after? :-)
Don't knock it until you've tried it! :-)

I do gangbang activities locally and most of the women we meet are between 35 and 50. They are quite experienced and know how to handle a dick correctly.

I find that younger women think they need to be rough.

I'd much rather keep the Johnson unbruised and maintain its baby soft skin.

[Jackyo]

qustion to the expert who know women better:

i saw a few very beautiful european blonde girls who have blonde body hairs but black pubic hair. i used to think blonde girls should have blonde body hair and blode pubic hair, in reality, they are not. any explenations? is that mean these blondes are fake?

any one know the difference of tastes of female ejeculation, pussy juice, vagina fluid and [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134)? i guess there is no harm to swallow these fluids from pussy, am i right. i hope women science experts in this board can teach me a little. thanks.

all4bb
... but women usually exhibit differences in hair color.

these differences would be attributable either to peroxide treatment if they are bleached blondes or to the fact that hair tends to lighten when exposed to the sun.

unless she sits out in the sun a lot in the nude, it is only normal that her hair down there would be darker than the hair on her head.

i've tasted all of these fluids and i am not in a position to differentiate between them by taste. they kind of get co-mingled.

there are differences in viscosity from my experience.

lighter viscosity fluids such as [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) or female ejaculate (i doubt that this really exists but i'll go along and say that it does) do not make a good lubricant. i can't get a grip, so to speak, when her fluids are too light and consequently, i can't come.

higher viscosity fluids are best and are characteristic of her natural reaction to being excited.

this is also one reason why bjs aren't my thing. the viscosity of saliva as a lubricant leaves much to be desired of.

harmful? they probably can be harmful but in the heat of the moment, i tend to focus on other things.

[All For Bb]

Jackyo,

Thanks for your explanation. I did see one time in my life-the female ejaculation, in one club in US. The bar girl ejeculate a lot when she came (with me of couse) and told me that's female ejculation, and she did not have sex for a while, illegal in US for paid sex with a man, that was only time I really see such thing in life.

Any one have used google earth to find a fkk club? Is that useful for fkking?

all4bb

[All For Bb]

i will be in dosseldorf in the end of august-beginning of sept. I will have 3 days free time. I plan to go phg and golden time for each day, the third day I don't know where should (better to) go: Parksaunna wildenrath, Ying Yang, Bernds, Tropican, samya, wiago, blue note, cocoon, dolce vita? I intend to stay in one club, but not sure which one should go for the third day. I rented a car with GPS, so maybe I should visit a few in the third day? any suggestions? Thanks a lot, experts of fkking

[Jackyo]

jackyo,

thanks for your explanation. i did see one time in my life-the female ejaculation, in one club in us. the bar girl ejeculate a lot when she came (with me of couse) and told me that's female ejculation, and she did not have sex for a while, illegal in us for paid sex with a man, that was only time i really see such thing in life.

all4bb
.. "female ejaculation" a couple of times and it seemed to me she was peeing on me.

the sheets, everything was wet. not something i want a repeat of.

[Zimmer]

Any one have used google earth to find a fkk club? Is that useful for fkking?You can download an KML file with all clubs for Google Earth, see this post 507807.

Many clubs are also possible to find on Google Maps, at least the larger clubs in Hessen and NRW. Just type “FKK Oase, Frankfurt” and Google Maps will give you the location of the club.

Great if you are in Germany and have lost the street name or similar, just locate an Internet terminal and search for the club name on Google Maps.

I don’t recommend driving with printed copies of Google Maps driving directions though. It’s much more convenient if you have a GPS navigator in your car.

[Kiwi 69]

Any one have used google earth to find a fkk club? Is that useful for fkking?

all4bbI now use www.maps-google.de for finding clubs .You can get the area map and blow (excuse the pun ! ) it up or down and get useful size printouts, a general routing and detail maps from the nearest Autobahn exit/main road that you will use on your journey, to your destination.

[Kiwi 69]

You can add Leonie (new, tall, Brazilian, 25 years old, 34C, dark hair in rasta braids, Model type porportions) to your list. It was so good, I just asked to stay in her luscious lip until I came profusely, and she took every drop.I agree 100 % !! She is outstanding, an oral Queen. I made a mistake not repeating with her on my last visit.

[Jackyo]

Qustion to the expert who know women better:

I saw a few very beautiful european blonde girls who have blonde body hairs but black pubic hair. I used to think blonde girls should have blonde body hair and blode pubic hair, in reality, they are not. Any explenations? Is that mean these blondes are fake?

all4bb
People are meant to be naturally color coordinated so if her skin color/eye color/etc.. don't make sense with her blonde hair, her hair color can't be for real.

I look for dark colored roots as an indication.

I also look to her eyebrows and eyelashes. Most women don't dye this hair and this permits a quick assessment of whether her hair color is natural or not.

I particularly don't like the platinum blonde look. Its way too unreal a color for my taste.

[All For Bb]

Jackyo and others,

Thanks. I notced a few real blondes (because their body hairs such as hairs on arm, legs, and back are blonde), but their pubic hairs are black. I don't understand this-why they have blonde hairs everywhere on the body but not pubic hairs?

Any suggestions for the third or fourth choices of clubs for dossidorff area besides phg and gorlden time? Parksaunna wildenrath, Ying Yang, Bernds, Tropican, samya, wiago, blue note, cocoon, dolce vita, which one or two I should go for the third day?

Thanks!
all4bb

[Euro100]

I look for dark colored roots as an indication.

I kinda look for the color of the tits, and I am not so much interested in the hair color. ;) They can wear a wig for all I car :D

[Wanking]

my speech

"well i have only been here since 2004, but in that time i have got sooo much from this forum, and hopefully given a little back too. funny that i actually lurked on the board since it started in 2002 i think, and it took me forever to actually join and make my first post. the dreadfull fkk in prague was my first posting topic i think. anyway i'll crack open the champers now (or maybe i'll just drink my own [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) :d )"

another thing, i remember maybe this time last year, i was on around 600 posts, and jackyo was on around 200 but he was catching up fast, and i thought "i wonder will jackyo hit 1000 before me" and right enough...

obviously its not a post number competition, but its something we all keep some eye on i think...

[Routard]

Congratulations Wanking. What is amazing with so many reports, is that I can't remember you have ever had an irrelevant post on this board. They were always sincere, entertaining, informative or humoristic.

[Toto001]

Jackyo and others,

Thanks. I notced a few real blondes (because their body hairs such as hairs on arm, legs, and back are blonde), but their pubic hairs are black. I don't understand this-why they have blonde hairs everywhere on the body but not pubic hairs?

Any suggestions for the third or fourth choices of clubs for dossidorff area besides phg and gorlden time? Parksaunna wildenrath, Ying Yang, Bernds, Tropican, samya, wiago, blue note, cocoon, dolce vita, which one or two I should go for the third day?

Thanks!

all4bbIt is quite easy i think. South american girls (brazilian especially) tend to dye the hairs at their legs and arms blond, so that they would not look like a wolf.

I do not know however, why they would not shave the hairs at their legs, like Western and North American girls would, but for some reason they just prefer to dye the hair.

[Member #3399]

Good afternoon all

I am arriving in Munich from Canada in a few days. I do not see an FKK club for Munich, is there one and to be a further bother is there a decent low end hotel near it and the airport as I am in and out?

Thanks in advance.

008

[Ortos]

Good afternoon all

I am arriving in Munich from Canada in a few days. I do not see an FKK club for Munich, is there one and to be a further bother is there a decent low end hotel near it and the airport as I am in and out?

Thanks in advance.

008

Most sensible and informed people seeking an FKK experience/Quality/Pricing know it is best to forget Munchen and hop on the next train to Augsberg, where FKK Colosium lies. It is 35-45mins to 1hr+ away, depending on how/when you travel there and if you know your way.

Don't waste your time and good money on the over-priced/under-service establishments within Munchen. Travel a bit to Augsberg. No pain, no gain...

[Member #3399]

Just to add a note, my wife has ejaculated many, many times on me usually with her on top and when there is excellent stimulation of the G spot. Sadly it does not occur anymore except on rare occasions but the first couple of years it was a regular bed wetting experience that I grew to love and crave after getting used to it.

The women has to really be into it and be able to "let go" I think it has only happened with 1 or perhaps 2 others of the other 75 or so that I have had the pleasure to fuck over my years so it is not that comon for sure.

008

[Jackyo]

I kinda look for the color of the tits, and I am not so much interested in the hair color. ;) They can wear a wig for all I car :D
Tit color and hair color?

Hmm.. let me review my data banks and see if I can see how they correlate.

[Jackyo]

my speech

"well i have only been here since 2004, but in that time i have got sooo much from this forum, and hopefully given a little back too. funny that i actually lurked on the board since it started in 2002 i think, and it took me forever to actually join and make my first post. the dreadfull fkk in prague was my first posting topic i think. anyway i'll crack open the champers now (or maybe i'll just drink my own [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) :d )"

another thing, i remember maybe this time last year, i was on around 600 posts, and jackyo was on around 200 but he was catching up fast, and i thought "i wonder will jackyo hit 1000 before me" and right enough...

obviously its not a post number competition, but its something we all keep some eye on i think...
i just kind of got carried away and before i knew it, i'd hit 1,000 posts without making any real effort to get to that number.

maybe i should pull back and wait for others to catch up.

[Wanking]

Maybe I should pull back and wait for others to catch up.

Not at all, keep it cumming!!!

[Wanking]

http://www.insauna.com/deutschland.htm

Now these places are naturist and supposedly not sexual, although I had a brief encounter in one on my last trip http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=614590&postcount=13

Anyway, I find these saunas great if u want to chill out after a few days of hard fucking, where u dont feel like fucking anymore but still want to check out some naked chicks etc, and many young women attend these joints, and are not shy about parading around nude... Entry tends to be very cheap at around 10 euro in most I think.

[All For Bb]

General question:

I know if I have a three some, when I f**k the second girl, the girl will insist that I change condom. If DATY on both girl at the same time, will they insist me to wash mouth in between DATY two different pussies?

all4bb

[Jackyo]

I know if I have a three some, when I f**k the second girl, the girl will insist that I change condom.
all4bb
I've seen no change in condoms in threesomes (two chicks on one guy). I thought this was the rule too but I've seen it at least once.

It depends on the two women. Let them take the lead and tell you what they find acceptable.

[Wanking]

If DATY on both girl at the same time, will they insist me to wash mouth in between DATY two different pussies?

Shouldnt be a problem. I've often moved from to **** to **** without any problems...

[Wanking]

Back from another great trip and loads of news.

Big thanks to Iseeu for both going out of his way to meet me in Selm on Tuesday, and for driving me on Wednesday....mucho appreciated.

Also great to bump into Sordid Ways in Selm too, and then the 3 of us spent Wednesday together in PT Krefeld... what a story of grossness I have...

Was also great to meet and spend all day with El Greco in Selm on Monday.

I was actually lucky to make this trip, as I was in a serious car crash last Sunday, and am lucky to only have suffered a fractured arm, and cuts and bruises. No one was seriously hurt although my mate who was driving spent 3 days in hospital but he is ok.

Problem now is I can only type with 1 hand, so I am looking to download voice recognition typing software. Anyone know where I can download a free trial????

[Sportsman]

I’ll be in the area between Nürnberg and Weiden for two weeks. Not familiar with that area at all. Other than FKK Sylt and Orient, any other recommendations in that area within reasonable drive for after work visits in the evenings?
Thanks in advance.
Sportsman

[Jackyo]

I’ll be in the area between Nürnberg and Weiden for two weeks. Not familiar with that area at all. Other than FKK Sylt and Orient, any other recommendations in that area within reasonable drive for after work visits in the evenings?
Thanks in advance.
Sportsman
... problematic.

Sylt would seem to be the place to go but from all indications it is a small so-so club.

[TeddyBoy]

I will be flying into Frankfurt later this month. I have looked at renting a Porsche 911. I found one place for $450 US per day. However, like a dufus, I forgot to book mark it and haven.t been able to find it since.

I did find another place but they want $1,300 per day....and that's out of my league.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

[Muenchen]

Hallo Sportsman,

Go to the newly opened partyclub "Sexdiscount" in Erlangen-Tennenlohe, Am Weichselgarten 22.

Only 15 minutes drive from Nuernberg to Erlangen-Tennenlohe.

http://www.sexdiscount-nuernberg.de/index.html

Best Regards,

Muenchen.

[Blaubeer]

For Rickster:

Avis Germany has an offer for 199€ a day on the german website.

http://www.avis.de/FahrzeugeundServices/Fahrzeuge/FunCars/Porsche

[Marlow]

For those of you who are venturing further afield and gosh beyond the confines of FKK World or one of those places, here is a website you might like to tag and if you are in the neighbourhood join in the action. I came across it by accident so can't tell you any more than you will read on the site. Note there is an English page which itself is a laugh to read.
go to
www.owl6.de
Currently Natascha the GB Queen figures. She is holding a two hour session in FKKclub Harem near Padeborn.
As I read in one up market Brit newspaper the Brown Govt is about to make prostitution illegal in the UK, or more exactly an offence to pay for sex....more places to go in Germany must surely be welcome.
Strange isn't it that one country thinks pay sex is wrong and must be stamped out as slavery was and another is all for it. Does this mean the Germans are írredeamably corrupt or that the Brits are such sensitive flowers they must be classed a protected species at all costs?

[Duralong]

Almost six months have passed since my first holiday spent to visit FKK’s in Germany, that I felt the compelling need to return. First time was in Frankfurt. I visited Palace two times and Oase one time.

This last time I went more to the North, to visit clubs in the Dusseldorf area and nearby.

My first experience was all in all good. I think I could never forget the impression I had entering Palace the first time: around 50 girls naked, or almost so, all beautiful and one better than the other, looking and smiling at me! And I knew that they would have been available to my desires.

Of that experience I posted a report in Italian, my native language, which perhaps some of you have read.

Although almost six months have passed, it may be worth to summarize here something that may be still valid. Palace impressed me for the best lineup of girls. I was also lucky to receive good service too by most of those I chose: Linda, Saskia and Natalia in particular. However, in general, I noticed the tendency of girls to give a quick and not completely satisfying service. Kisses were as superficial as possible, involvement and participation minimal and sometimes too clearly faked. Also girls often want to leave you ASAP after you came, not letting you use all the time you should have right to, they press you too much by proposing themselves or by proposing you extras once you have decided for a session with one of them. Social time during pauses, at end of session, or outside the rooms, almost null or unsatisfactory.

Although the experience of everyone may vary, also because girls and atmosphere as well continually changes in clubs, I share, with other people I met, the impression that these weaknesses chronically affects clubs of the FFM area. Perhaps this is due to the prevalence of occasional mongers, visiting the clubs in occasion of business travel and fairs in particular, with respect to regular clients.

The presence of regular clients is stronger in the clubs I visited this time. This factor in my opinion change things positively. Another important factor is related to the rate rules: while in clubs near Frankfurt you pay 50€ each half hours, in almost all the clubs of the Dusseldorf area you pay 50 the first 30’, while each additional half hour is charged 25€ (!). This allows for longer sessions, with more time to familiarize with the girl. In short, chances of better experiences are in principle higher. In fact if I had to knew what really is a GFE or a DFK with one of these girls I had to go to Rhenish clubs or, even better, to Bernds.

But it’s not gold all what shines. So if you want to know more, go to my reports, in the appropriate thread, on each club I visited this time.

Sorry for being a little bit late in publishing them, but I wrote them in my spare time and couldn’t be faster.

So, in chronological order:

1) GoldenTime
2) Yin Yang (Netherland, German Border) http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=642557&postcount=107 (]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=642556&postcount=273[/url)
3) Planet Happy Garden
4) Living Room [url=]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=642561&postcount=69 (]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=642560&postcount=323[/url)
5) Samya
6) Bernds [url=]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=642568&postcount=618 (]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=642563&postcount=97[/url)

[u]EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Sportsman]

... problematic.

Sylt would seem to be the place to go but from all indications it is a small so-so club.

Go to the newly opened partyclub "Sexdiscount" in Erlangen-Tennenlohe, Am Weichselgarten 22.

Only 15 minutes drive from Nuernberg to Erlangen-Tennenlohe.

http://www.sexdiscount-nuernberg.de/index.htmlThanks for the tips Muenchen and Jackyo.
Regarding Sexcount, I don’t read German. On their website, what is price 150 Euros for? Is that the fixed price and then unlimited sessions after that? And I take the 49 Euros is for individual 30 minute session.
Thanks again.

[Hessen Bub]

On their website, what is price 150 Euros for? Is that the fixed price and then unlimited sessions after that? And I take the 49 Euros is for individual 30 minute session.

Correct, 150 EUR is the flatrate to fuck all girls available. But be careful, might be each girl only once.

Hessen Bub

[Muenchen]

Hello @Hessen Bub and @Sportsman,

Multiple sex with one girl at partyclub "sexdiscount" is possible.

@ Sportsman: There is also one partyclub north of Weiden in the city of Hof. 30 minutes to drive.

http://www.body-lodge.de/

150 € to fuck all the girls. Mulible sex with one girl is also possible.

Best Regards,

Muenchen.

[Wanking]

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=644775&postcount=236

he he :D

[Jimmy Smits]

How far from Dusseldorf or Frankfurt? Is it 150E to fuck as many times as I want all day with mutilples with the same girl?

I was thinking of hitting Selm and this place on a trip and am trying to decide if need to fly into DUS or FRA.

Since the city is listed as Hof is the same city as Berndt's is in?



Hello @Hessen Bub and @Sportsman,

Multiple sex with one girl at partyclub "sexdiscount" is possible.

@ Sportsman: There is also one partyclub north of Weiden in the city of Hof. 30 minutes to drive.

http://www.body-lodge.de/

150 € to fuck all the girls. Mulible sex with one girl is also possible.

Best Regards,

Muenchen.

[Iseeu]

Bernd's is located on a street called Schieferhof, hence its nickname "the Hof" which also means "The House", a term of respect.

Body Lodge is indeed located in a town called Hof on the Czech border and is probably closer to prague than either FRA or DUS.

If you're looking for this kind of entertainment the place to fly into is DUS- you'll find many, many partytreff options in NRW, the cradle of PT.


How far from Dusseldorf or Frankfurt? Is it 150E to fuck as many times as I want all day with mutilples with the same girl?

I was thinking of hitting Selm and this place on a trip and am trying to decide if need to fly into DUS or FRA.

Since the city is listed as Hof is the same city as Berndt's is in?

[Jackyo]

Bernd's is located on a street called Schieferhof...

If you're looking for this kind of entertainment the place to fly into is DUS- you'll find many, many partytreff options in NRW, the cradle of PT.
... on a map, it is, to be precise, in the Lichtenberg section of Hennef which is a town to the east of Bonn.

This is not to be confused with the Lichtenberg section of Berlin which is in the former DDR and is known for its Neo Nazis.

Indeed, the best Partytreff options in Germany are in NRW. There are, as well, a couple in Ost Westfalen in Niedersachsen which are worthwhile visiting.

[Jimmy Smits]

... on a map, it is, to be precise, in the Lichtenberg section of Hennef which is a town to the east of Bonn.

This is not to be confused with the Lichtenberg section of Berlin which is in the former DDR and is known for its Neo Nazis.

Indeed, the best Partytreff options in Germany are in NRW. There are, as well, a couple in Ost Westfalen in Niedersachsen which are worthwhile visiting.


I'll just stick with hitting Selm and Dorsten! :)

[Jackyo]

The RF guys also run the xxxforen which somehow links all of the German regional forums and has a calendar of upcoming parties.

The current list is as follows:

Samya's Birthday Party is on the 30th of September.

Babylon's 10th Anniversary and Oktoberfest Party is on the 12th of October.

Residenz's Oktoberfest Party is on the 20th of October.

The Hof has its Halloween Party on the 31st of October (this one I'd like to go to but I will probably be in Wien - Schade!)

[Willem2]

Amnesia Beachparty 29-9-2007 http://www.fkk-amnesia.de/

PHG Oktoberfest (?) 28-9 /29-9 http://www.planet-happy-garden.info/

IJsberenparty 3 - 10 - 2007 http://www.fkk-freudenberg.de/

Paradiso in Bochum

Heavensgate Dorsten 20-10 http://www.fkk-heavensgate.com/seite/index.php?action=events

Opening also Party :

http://www.fkk-home.com/ October
http://www.villavertigo.de/ End of October

[Jackyo]

Thanks for your comments on copyrights, authors rights and the interactions with other forums.

I'm still trying to sort out the best way to deal with this issue.

If I go through the motions of requesting permission first to do a copy-and-paste, I sometimes get the permission, sometimes I don't. I usually don't have the patience to go through such formalities.

If I don't provide any author attribution and write a summary of what I've read which goes something like: "I read on ___ that, this club has this, does that...", the reports are less credible.

The other alternative is to create a link to the report and go directly into the translation but a) not all of you have access to the other forums, b) I need to see the text in front of me and read it while I translate (I do this on the fly, by the way, and unless the article is too long, I do it in edit mode on this forum before uploading it).

I take requests, d.h. if you are looking for information on a specific club or area which isn't written much about, I'm more than willing to do some research in my spare time (note the italics).

If you've been keeping track of postings I find interesting and make an effort to make known, you've probably sensed a trend.

I have a thing for small, obscure clubs in the off-the-beaten-path parts of Germany, preferably those which are run like family enterprises. The large institutional clubs I find less interesting.

I also have a thing for clubs in NRW (and Ost Westfalen also) and for Partytreffs (which are, IMHO, as close to being the cat's miaow as there can be: whoever thought them up and found a way to make them work financially is a genius).

I think enough has been written about the large tourist-oriented clubs.

There are so many clubs throughout Germany though... and alas, so little time to visit all of them.

[Wanking]

If I don't provide any author attribution and write a summary of what I've read which goes something like: "I read on ___ that, this club has this, does that...", the reports are less credible.

I think doing that would be ok. I would trust you....

The main thing is getting the info onto the forum. But hey whatever you are happy with...

[Wanking]

Just think right now all across Germany, there are probably thousands of working girls shaving their pussies in preperation for their afternoon/evenings work. I think I'll go and masturbate to that thought :D

[Strato]

Wanking,

You're worse off than I thought.

Strato


Just think right now all across Germany, there are probably thousands of working girls shaving their pussies in preperation for their afternoon/evenings work. I think I'll go and masturbate to that thought :D

[Bono]

Hey Guys,

I am planning on a trip to Amsterdam with a stopover in Germany. I have never been to Germany. Which city ist he best for FKK. BY reading here I figure it is Frankfurt. Which city do you recommend I fly into from Los Angeles. I intend to spend a day in Germany before flying in to Amsterdam. What clubs would you recommend as well. Thanks in advance. If you need any help with London and or Amsterdam.

Please let me know.

[Fkk Lover]

Hey Guys, I am planning on a trip to Amsterdam with a stopover in Germany. I have never been to Germany. Which city ist he best for FKK. BY reading here I figure it is Frankfurt.Which city do you recommend I fly into from Los Angeles. I intend to spend a day in Germany before flying in to Amsterdam. What clubs would you recommend as well. Thanks in advance.If you need any help with London and or Amsterdam Please let me know

If you plan to do an Amsterdam/Germany combo, it's probably better to do the NRW Golden Triangle which include Goldentime and Happy Garden as the main attractions but also Parksauna Wildenrath (???) and Living Room. There are a few others worth visiting from Dusseldorf down to Koln, but if you only got a couple of days I guess that'll do.

It's better than Frankfurt because you don't have to deal with flights to/from Amsterdam because it's easily accessible by car or train... 2 to 3 hours depending on traffic.

You can fly nonstop from LA to Dusseldorf via LTU but since they're on a seasonal schedule they'll be stopping service, I believe on October 30. Of course flying from LA to Frankfurt nonstop you have a few more options, namely United, Lufthansa and Air India, but then Amsterdam is a wee bit farther away and you'll prolly prefer to fly though I'm sure the train option is still decent. If you don't mind making 1 flight change, then of course the options are limitless... and probably considerably cheaper.

[Iseeu]

Wanking,

You're worse off than I thought.

Strato
From personal experience I can assure you that no matter how bad you thought he was, he's much worse than that.

He's wanked while watching my ass in his face. :-0

[Jackyo]

Hey Guys, I am planning on a trip to Amsterdam with a stopover in Germany. I have never been to Germany. Which city ist he best for FKK. BY reading here I figure it is Frankfurt.Which city do you recommend I fly into from Los Angeles. I intend to spend a day in Germany before flying in to Amsterdam. What clubs would you recommend as well. Thanks in advance.If you need any help with London and or Amsterdam Please let me know
You aren't going to be able do much in one day.

If you are landing in Frankfurt, stick with visiting one of the Hessen 3. They are large, the selection of women is large too and they are tourist-oriented.

I personally would skip Frankfurt entirely and land in Duesseldorf.

If, on the other hand, you land in Amsterdam and don't have to go to Frankfurt at all I agree with the suggestion below of making it to the Golden Triangle (particularly if you have a car).

You need not even cross the border. Find your way to Yin Yang which is still in Holland.

[Wanking]

He wanks at the thought of my ass in his face. :-0

No no, I wank at the thought of you taking a shit in my face :D

he he he ha ha ha he he he dribble dribble dribble :D :D :D

Like this guy here
http://eatmyshit.***********.com/home/log/2007/25/toilet-for-a-day-scene-16.html

[Chabbie]

Hey guys,

I will be in duesseldorf on Nov 19. 21. I will be departing Madrid at 9am and arriving at 12 pm in DUS. I plan on heading over to PT krefeld straight from the airport, but I don't know where to stay afterwards. I also have a couple of days left in Germany so any suggestion or advise will be appreciated. I hope anyone of you guys can make it out there.

Thanks,

Chabbie

[Bono]

You aren't going to be able do much in one day.

If you are landing in Frankfurt, stick with visiting one of the Hessen 3. They are large, the selection of women is large too and they are tourist-oriented.

I personally would skip Frankfurt entirely and land in Duesseldorf.

If, on the other hand, you land in Amsterdam and don't have to go to Frankfurt at all I agree with the suggestion below of making it to the Golden Triangle (particularly if you have a car).

You need not even cross the border. Find your way to Yin Yang which is still in Holland.Hey Thanks for the info. I can stay two nights thats not a problem.THe only reason I am going to Amsterdam is to visit a friend. So you recommend I fly into Frankfurt and then go to Amsterdam, am I right?

[Jackyo]

I just got up in a cold sweat after having a nightmare about a visit to an FKK club. I thought I'd type it up while the details of this nightmare are still fresh in my mind.

I am at this large club (these aren't my kind of club so that was part of the nightmare) by myself.

I am sitting watching these crowds of guys walk by and I'm feeling out of place. No one to talk to so I just sit and watch the girls on one side and the guys occasionally breaking off from their groups to talk to them.

I am sitting on a couch and this chick sitting across from me starts talking to me. At first I don't answer except with one word answers. Then she comes over and though I'm initially not interested, I start to actually have a conversation with her. She's half naked with only a long strip of fabric wrapped around her. She's about average. I can barely understand what she is saying.

She's only been there a couple of weeks, she says. She is sitting really close to me and I can feel her body heat. Pretty soon, she is leaning heavily on me and I can feel her tits (which are of a nice size and shape) rubbing my chest. I am, at this point, getting into it so I figure, why not.

I ask that we take a room.

She takes me into this room and its a room I've never seen. It has barbershop style chairs. I sit in one thinking she has in mind kneeling in front of me and giving me a BJ or getting on top of me to do doggy style.

I wasn't aware of this upon entering the room but it turns out there is another chick in the room and she is fully dressed in a white smock. For some strange reason she takes my feet and starts massaging them. I'm wondering what this is about. Then she goes into a list of additional services like a haircut and a shave (down there, I mean).

This is when I say: Stop! And I ask what this is about. She says, well we also run a men's spa and salon. I go: What? I didn't have anything like this in mind. I wanted to get down to action with the chick I was with on the couch and play with her tits.

So I bring everything to a halt and walk out the room. My chick is outside waiting for me to finish with these services.

I say, no, I'm not interested. Can we find a room?

She says no problem but by now the mood has been ruined.

The room she picks for us is dark and I can barely see what is going on at first. But I can make people out and there must be at least a dozen beds. She picks one and I drop my stuff in a pile at the foot of the bed. I get on it and then is when I realize that there is another couple on the bed and we can only take up half of the bed. Not only that but there is a crowd of heavily tatooed really unsavory looking dudes standing around the bed jerking off while they watched the action.

The thought that crossed my mind as I woke up from this dream is that she figured I was being cheap by not having the spa experience and therefore she went for the cheap rooms; and the cheap rooms meant you had to share the bed and accept having other guys standing around.

This is when I woke up in a cold sweat.

I have a subconscious thing about being upsold services and I think this is what this nightmare points out except carried to an extreme.

Note: At PTs or at gangbang events it is typical that there will be group participation (Mettmann comes to mind particularly for this) and onlookers. The nightmare aspect of the above scenario is that it takes place at an FKK club where I have expectations of a little more privacy.

[Wanking]

I just got up in a cold sweat after having a nightmare about a visit to an FKK club. I thought I'd type it up while the details of this nightmare are still fresh in my mind.
MJTGPF = Move Jackyo To Germany Permanently Fund

Guys we have to raise €100k to move this dude to Germany so he can spend all his time in the clubs and do on the spot reporting. So Jackyo you will have to survive on €2k a week....

All we need is 1000 guys coughing €100 each. Come on guys, let the wealthy pay up first. Iseeu, Sordid.....

[Ripple67]

but then amsterdam is a wee bit farther away and you'll prolly prefer to fly though i'm sure the train option is still decent. if you don't mind making 1 flight change, then of course the options are limitless, and probably considerably cheaper.i was checking trains to ff (from amsteradm) yesterday journey time is 3-4 hours. these are high speed luxury trains i use them in preference to flying for mid length journeys. booking could be advisable via www, ns.nl (from the nl).

enjoy and report back.

[Rumpus]

I will be driving from the Frankfurt airport (FRA) to Prague on the E50.

Don't have time to really go into Frankfurt centre, but an entertaining stop along the way would be nice to sample what Germany has to offer. I'm familiar with the CZ monger scene but a newbie to the German one. Any suggestions for a fun stopover en-route?

I see there's a place in the city of Hoff and one in Nurenburg mentioned recently, but the girls on the websites don't do much for me -- anything cuter to be had??

I don't speak German at all, unfortunately, so any guidance will be very helpful!

[Iseeu]

MJTGPF = Move Jackyo To Germany Permanently Fund

Guys we have to raise €100k to move this dude to Germany so he can spend all his time in the clubs and do on the spot reporting. So Jackyo you will have to survive on €2k a week....

All we need is 1000 guys coughing €100 each. Come on guys, let the wealthy pay up first. Iseeu, Sordid.....
I think that it's far more entertaining to read Jackyo's yearning for FKK all the while stuck in the sex penitentiary. He's even having FKK nightmares- his whole subconscious is trained....

Besides, if he moved to the cradle of FKK he would never have time to post.

SO, I'm opposed to this idea. besides Jackyo is loaded- if that's what he really wanted...

[Willem2]

i was checking trains to ff (from amsteradm) yesterday journey time is 3-4 hours. these are high speed luxury trains i use them in preference to flying for mid length journeys. booking could be advisable via www, ns.nl (from the nl).

enjoy and report back.www.bahn.de if you take the train in germany.

probably he will go to frankfurt for his stopover. he should go to palace.

if he will fly to düsseldorf he can choose for livingroom,golden time, planet happy garden or freude39/bochum. but not all of them are so easy to reach with public transport. maybe the firts and the last club are the easiest one with public transport.

[Willem2]

I will be driving from the Frankfurt airport (FRA) to Prague on the E50.

I don't speak German at all, unfortunately, so any guidance will be very helpful!Stay in Frankfurt-area and try to learn some german.

But it will be easier to communicate in Germany than it will be in Prague.

[Willem2]

Hey guys,

I will be in duesseldorf on Nov 19. 21. I will be departing Madrid at 9am and arriving at 12 pm in DUS. I plan on heading over to PT krefeld straight from the airport, but I don't know where to stay afterwards. I also have a couple of days left in Germany so any suggestion or advise will be appreciated. I hope anyone of you guys can make it out there.

Thanks,

ChabbieIf you go to PTKrefeld you should stay in the Etap hotel in the center of Krefeld. See also http://www.etaphotel.com/etaphotel/fichehotel/gb/etp/3083/fiche_hotel.shtml

It is close to the central station and downtown and not so far from PT Krefeld. From here you also can take the train to Kempen--> taxi--> Planet Happy Garden / Oedt/Tönisvorst

[Jackyo]

I think that it's far more entertaining to read Jackyo's yearning for FKK all the while stuck in the sex penitentiary. He's even having FKK nightmares- his whole subconscious is trained....

Besides, if he moved to the cradle of FKK he would never have time to post.

SO, I'm opposed to this idea. besides Jackyo is loaded- if that's what he really wanted...
.. so in some ways being far away from everything is a blessing in disguise.

I think what triggered that nightmare was reading about the soon-to-open Villa Vertigo and it being an upscale club.

I don't go to strip clubs anymore but there was a time when I would drop in on them. When they started to transform themselves into "gentlemen's clubs" that I think they went down hill.

Upscale was not a good thing for the strip club business. The women started to look all alike, built like Barbie dolls: they all had big blonde hair which extended out like they'd spent hours in front of a fan and silicone tits. They started to offer table dances asking $20 for the duration of a 3 minute song.

In some of these clubs (I can think of one I went to in LA once), they even had attendants at the bathrooms who would turn on the water at the sink so you could wash your hands and even hand you a towel. They were, of course, expecting you would tip them a dollar for this service.

Not my scene.

I am still, however, hopeful that someone would pick up the idea of a premium PT and make it happen. Paying one price and not having to deal with upsell is the thing which would make it work.

[Jackyo]

I will be driving from the Frankfurt airport (FRA) to Prague on the E50.

Don't have time to really go into Frankfurt centre, but an entertaining stop along the way would be nice to sample what Germany has to offer. I'm familiar with the CZ monger scene but a newbie to the German one. Any suggestions for a fun stopover en-route?

I see there's a place in the city of Hoff and one in Nurenburg mentioned recently, but the girls on the websites don't do much for me -- anything cuter to be had??

I don't speak German at all, unfortunately, so any guidance will be very helpful!
.. there isn't much.

You are driving in the wrong direction.

You will mostly be in northern Bavaria plus driving skirting the lower edge of what used to be the DDR. This just isn't a place to go for this kind of activity.

Nueremberg has Sylt but its nothing to write home about, from all reports. Small club, just so-so.

The best clubs you can visit on this trip will be near Frankfurt.

[Putantour]

Where are:
- Villavertigo
- FKK-Home

I find the homepage but nothing more, like infos and locations.

TY

[Willem2]

Where are:
- Villavertigo
- FKK-Home

I find the homepage but nothing more, like infos and locations.

TYBoth clubs are still not open.

Villa Vertigo will open end of October in Grefrath. That's close to PHG and the dutch border (Venlo)

This night I wrote 3 reports in this section and all of them are vanished into cyberspace.

The man who wants to go to PT Krefeld should stay in the Etap Hotel, downtown Krefeld and close to the Central Station. From here it's also easy to visit PHG by train. Go to Kempen and then by taxi.

The other report was about visiting Germany for one day and then to Amsterdam. Go to Frankfurt, The Palace. Otherways Düsseldorf and than to PHG, GT, LivingRoom or even Freude39,Bochum. If you go by train see also www.bahn.de.

[Bono]

You aren't going to be able do much in one day.

If you are landing in Frankfurt, stick with visiting one of the Hessen 3. They are large, the selection of women is large too and they are tourist-oriented.

I personally would skip Frankfurt entirely and land in Duesseldorf.

If, on the other hand, you land in Amsterdam and don't have to go to Frankfurt at all I agree with the suggestion below of making it to the Golden Triangle (particularly if you have a car).

You need not even cross the border. Find your way to Yin Yang which is still in Holland.Hey Guys,

Thanks for the info. Initally I plan on stopping by in Germany and then to Amstredam and then to visit a friend in Spain. I appreciate the suggestions on Dusseldof. What exactly is the HEssen 3 in Frankfurt,could not find anything here onthat. Secondly if I land is Duesseldorf, how far away are the FKKs from the airport and how would I get there as I heard the transport is not all that great. Please advice. Which would you visit first: Amsterdam or Germany?

[Willem2]

Hey Guys, Thanks for the info. Initally I plan on stopping by in Germany and then to Amstredam and then to visit a friend in Spain. I appreciate the suggestions on Dusseldof. What exactly is the HEssen 3 in Frankfurt,could not find anything here onthat. Secondly if I land is Duesseldorf, how far away are the FKKs from the airport and how would I get there as I heard the transport is not all that great. Please advice. Which would you visit first Amsterdam or Germany.3 Clubs in Hessen :The Palace, Oase and FKK World.

If you first go to Germany than you can skip your sextour in the Netherlands. So you have time enough to make a trip through the canals in Amsterdam ;).
From Düsseldorf Airport it's about 25km to the nearest Saunaclub/FKK.

[Hessen Bub]

What exactly is the HEssen 3 in Frankfurt,could not find anything here onthat.

www.the-palace.de

www.fkk-oase.de

www.fkk-world.de

For directions, just enter the adresses on the homepages on maps.google.de

Hessen Bub

[Jackyo]

Secondly if I land is Duesseldorf, how far away are the FKKs from the airport and how would I get there as I heard the transport is not all that great.

Which would you visit first Amsterdam or Germany.
Access via public transportation is excellent.

There are clubs within the city itself and they are all reachable via S-bahn or other means of public transport.

You can even get to clubs in Koeln, the Ruhr and Wuppertal via S-bahn and/or S-bahn and bus connections.

It is part of my planning routine before I visit NRW clubs to do research on how to get there by public transport. Its kind of like going on a scavenger hunt.

Oh, yes. How to find train/bus schedules? Visit the Verkehrsverband Rhein Ruhr website.

www.vrr.de

I do agree that the Golden Triangle clubs aren't easy to get to without a rental car. There is a way to get to PHG via a train-bus connection. The bus will drop you off not far from where the club is. Goldentime might be next to impossible and the last time I checked, there is a bus which takes you to Wildenrath but it runs once a day.

I'd skip Amsterdam entirely. Have you ever been? Its way too tourist-oriented and the women have no incentive to provide good services. Their clientele comes to test it out because they are there but don't typically return so the women go into an aggressive upsell mode.

[Woof Woof]

Secondly if I land is Duesseldorf, how far away are the FKKs from the airport and how would I get there as I heard the transport is not all that great. Please advice.

If you have only 24h or less in Dusseldorf, here's what I would do. Take the train from the Airport to the central Hbf and from there take the S-bahn line 28 in the direction of Karster See. Get off at the Ikea Kaarst train stop and walk over to the Living Room FKK. It's about a 5-10 min. walk. The club is about 15km from the airport, is open until 3AM, and there are plenty of positive reviews in this forum.
http://www.fkk-living.de/

[Jackyo]

If you have only 24h or less in Dusseldorf, here's what I would do. Take the train from the Airport to the central Hbf and from there take the S-bahn line 28 in the direction of Karster See. Get off at the Ikea Kaarst train stop and walk over to the Living Room FKK. It's about a 5-10 min. walk. The club is about 15km from the airport, is open until 3AM, and there are plenty of positive reviews in this forum.
http://www.fkk-living.de/
.. which is easily accessible from the DUS airport.

Siehste!

[Wanking]

Got fed up of Wan King, especially as many people thought I was Asian, not that Ive anything against Asians, its just that Im not Asian.

My original idea was a play on the word "wanking" which is British slang for masturbation, hence Wan King....but many didnt get this, especially some from the USA where the word wanking isnt that common.

but now... Im SMELLY VAGINA !!!! :D

or Fred (as I introduce myself in person)

[Travelforfun]

How far is the Livingroom place from Koln hbf..is there a direct train i can catch from there to Ikea Kaarst train stop ?

[Routard]

but now... Im SMELLY VAGINA !!!! :D


Do you believe your new name will reflect better your origin? :D

[Jackyo]

Got fed up of Wan King, especially as many people thought I was Asian, not that Ive anything against Asians, its just that Im not Asian.

My original idea was a play on the word "wanking" which is British slang for masturbation, hence Wan King....but many didnt get this, especially some from the USA where the word wanking isnt that common.

but now... Im SMELLY VAGINA !!!! :D

or Fred (as I introduce myself in person)
My compliments on picking such a classy name!

[Willem2]

How far is the Livingroom place from Koln hbf..is there a direct train i can catch from there to Ikea Kaarst train stop ?See het internetsite bahn.de. Is also in english. It's takes you 38min from Köln to Kaarst Ikea, it isn't a direct train.

[Wanking]

Cheers guys
it was a toss up between "Browner the better" (Iseeu suggestion) or "Smelly Vagina", so I tossed a coin and Smelly Vagina won :D

[Jackyo]

How far is the Livingroom place from Koln hbf..is there a direct train i can catch from there to Ikea Kaarst train stop ?
.. this club, from all indications, is within spitting distance of this train station.

I would guess there is a way to get there from Koeln but I tend to be Duesseldorf-oriented and would first head to Duesseldorf Hbf and make a connection there if I were in your shoes.

Is there a way to get there directly from Koeln? Could be.

There actually was a battle fought between the inhabitants of Koeln and of Duesseldorf, the Battle of Worringen in 1200 something. This explains the hostility (nowadays usually good natured) between the inhabitants of these two cities which still goes on today.

This extends to the the realm of beer with Koelsch representing Koeln and Altbier representing Duesseldorf. Don't make the mistake of ordering the wrong beer when you are there.

[Iseeu]

Cheers guys
it was a toss up between "Browner the better" (Iseeu suggestion) or "Smelly Vagina", so I tossed a coin and Smelly Vagina won :D

What exactly was engraved on the sides of that coin? heh, heh, heh

I sure hope that you didn't put that coin back into circulation!
:-0

[Iseeu]

.. this club, from all indications, is within spitting distance of this train station.

I would guess there is a way to get there from Koeln but I tend to be Duesseldorf-oriented and would first head to Duesseldorf Hbf and make a connection there if I were in your shoes.

Is there a way to get there directly from Koeln? Could be.


as there is a direct link from DUS HBF.

It's a 5-10 minute walk to LR from Ikea Kaarst station, basically around the corner and 2 blocks down.

[DeepVoid]

Bye Bye WanKing ( i liked the name.... and I am american) but a mans got to do what a mans got to do. Welcome SV Fred.

d


Got fed up of Wan King, especially as many people thought I was Asian, not that Ive anything against Asians, its just that Im not Asian.

My original idea was a play on the word "wanking" which is British slang for masturbation, hence Wan King....but many didnt get this, especially some from the USA where the word wanking isnt that common.

but now... Im SMELLY VAGINA !!!! :D

or Fred (as I introduce myself in person)

[Iseeu]

but now... Im SMELLY VAGINA !!!! :D


"Odiferous Vulva"? LOL

[Kiwi 69]

but now... Im SMELLY VAGINA !!!! :D

or Fred (as I introduce myself in person)Wouldn't "Lecker Muschi" conjure up more pleasant thoughts ?!

[Regnad]

I'm planning a maiden voyage to the FKKs of the Frankfurt-Cologne region next month, visiting certainly Oase, Samya, Bernd's and possibly Palace. Any information on the best time of day to visit these places would be appreciated.

Is the quality of staff lower in the afternoon than evening? Is the staff smaller but in better girl/guy ratio in the afternoon? And do the answers to these questions differ from one club to the next? Thanks.

[Woof Woof]

I'm planning a maiden voyage to the FKKs of the Frankfurt-Cologne region next month, visiting certainly Oase, Samya, Bernd's and possibly Palace. Any information on the best time of day to visit these places would be appreciated.

Is the quality of staff lower in the afternoon than evening? Is the staff smaller but in better girl/guy ratio in the afternoon? And do the answers to these questions differ from one club to the next? Thanks.

Of all those clubs mentioned above, Samya is the best one for newbies to the FKK scene. There are two shifts at Samya, one starts at 11:00 and the other one starts at 15:00. There are typically about a dozen girls when the club opens but also fewer punters as well. If what you're after is a favorable girl/guy ratio then 15:00 to 20:00 are probably the best times. I recall that the number of punters is at max around 22:00-23:00. Thurs-Sat are the best days/nights in terms of eye candy. I have my personal favorites there, i.e. Honey, Amira, Cornelia but to each his own. Check the Samya thread for reviews of various girls. BTW, welcome from a long time fellow merbite...

[Danish Male]

Hey Guys,

http://www.grenz-fkk.de/

I allmost forgot to tell you that, a couple of weeks ago I also paid "Grenz-FKK" in Flensburg (5 km from Danish border) a visit. Actually a very good place. I was thier only costumer, so lots of talking was available. Unfortanitely I was too early so there was no buffet. One of the girls felt sorry for me since I was starving and made me a sandwish.

After the sandwish I took a dive in the whirlpool. 5 min after entering, two girls came to join me and chat. After chatting and flirting I took Vanessa up for a 30 min session (50EURO).

The session dident last 30 min - actually it lasted more than one hour. And very very very good sex - I had everything I wanted (kissig, french with out cover, french for her ect.) After the session we had a long chat again. She even tried to sell her motorcycle to me. We bouth went naked to the garage to see it :o)

FKK Grenz is absolutely worth the money, great service, nice/friendly girls. Only negative you can say is thier buffet which should only be a snack. So not a place you can stay all day with out getting hungry.

Since FKK Grenz is rather close to me, I will pay them frequetly visits. Actually I am concidering to visit them again tommorow.

Regards,

Danish Male

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[Travelforfun]

.. this club, from all indications, is within spitting distance of this train station.

I would guess there is a way to get there from Koeln but I tend to be Duesseldorf-oriented and would first head to Duesseldorf Hbf and make a connection there if I were in your shoes.

Is there a way to get there directly from Koeln? Could be.



Managed to work out a route...but i guess lazy bum that i am ...i'll probably head towards my fav Bluenote once im in Dusseldorf :) Luckily this time im stayin just 15 min away from Samya...so most probably thats where i'll be emptying my pockets and mojo hehe

[Wanking]

Was socializing with some german people last night, told them about my adventures etc... they were amazed at my club knowledge

Anyway

We got around to talking about one night stands, and general non paid casual sex, and these people were of the opinion that Germany is an easyish place even for an average/uglyish fucker like me to get laid. They said many moderately good looking german women of all ages go out to regular dance clubs and bars to meet men for no strings sex.

Now with my two and three day time constraints, Ive never tried to pick up in normal bars and clubs in Germany on my trips.

Any thoughts on this guys???

[Jackyo]

I'm planning a maiden voyage to the FKKs of the Frankfurt-Cologne region next month, visiting certainly Oase, Samya, Bernd's and possibly Palace. Any information on the best time of day to visit these places would be appreciated.

Is the quality of staff lower in the afternoon than evening? Is the staff smaller but in better girl/guy ratio in the afternoon? And do the answers to these questions differ from one club to the next? Thanks.
As a newbie, I'd suggest you start with Samya. You can get a feel for club etiquette there without too much risk of being ripped off.

I'd be careful at Palace. Some beginners can negotiate the minefield of upsell. Others are taken advantage of.

Bernds is not a good club to start an FKK career. I'd recommend a visit only after you've got a couple of visits of other clubs under you belt and you have a feel for what a good club is supposed to be.

My favorite club in Hessen is Oase. I'd give it preference over the other two of the Hessen 3.

Koeln and Frankfurt are not in the same region, by the way. The dialect is quite different, the people are slightly different too (advantage Koeln).

[Jackyo]

Was socializing with some german people last night, told them about my adventures etc... they were amazed at my club knowledge

Anyway

We got around to talking about one night stands, and general non paid casual sex, and these people were of the opinion that Germany is an easyish place even for an average/uglyish fucker like me to get laid. They said many moderately good looking german women of all ages go out to regular dance clubs and bars to meet men for no strings sex.

Now with my two and three day time constraints, Ive never tried to pick up in normal bars and clubs in Germany on my trips.

Any thoughts on this guys???
I've met them locally, not tried to do this in Germany.

The issue for a short time visitor there, as you point out, is that you have invest time hanging out at a club or bar while having uncertain results. Its more certain of getting action at an FKK club than talking up a random chick.

[Jayf1970]

Fellow Mongers,

I am thinking of visiting Germany at the end of October for a 5-day mongering vacation (I know its the winter and all, but turns out to be really the best time for me to go). So my question is which is the best city to visit for mongering at FKK's? I am an experienced world-travelled monger; have been to Germany before on short trips, but don't speak German. I expect my primary (probably 100%) mongering to be at FKK's, so the question really is which city has the best FKK's? Other secondary criteria for me are: sightseeing (including being able to take day trips to other countries) and ease of navigation.

Promise to contribute with any unique experiences.

Cheers!

[Jackyo]

Fellow Mongers,

I am thinking of visiting Germany at the end of October for a 5-day mongering vacation (I know its the winter and all, but turns out to be really the best time for me to go). So my question is which is the best city to visit for mongering at FKK's? I am an experienced world-travelled monger; have been to Germany before on short trips, but don't speak German. I expect my primary (probably 100%) mongering to be at FKK's, so the question really is which city has the best FKK's? Other secondary criteria for me are: sightseeing (including being able to take day trips to other countries) and ease of navigation.

Promise to contribute with any unique experiences.

Cheers!
... I recommend you stick with the Hessen 3. They are tourist-oriented and you will do fine as the women expect tourists and are eager to do business with you, with or without a language barrier.

Land in Frankfurt, stay in Frankfurt.

Day trips to neighboring countries? For what purpose?

Winter doesn't start until late December, for the record.

The city with the best FKKs? This is matter of personal preference.

Do you like big, noisy, hectic, transactional clubs? Or do you prefer smaller, more intimate, more relationship type clubs?

[Ekliges Lauern]

Fellow Mongers,

I am thinking of visiting Germany at the end of October for a 5-day mongering vacation (I know its the winter and all, but turns out to be really the best time for me to go). So my question is which is the best city to visit for mongering at FKK's? I am an experienced world-travelled monger; have been to Germany before on short trips, but don't speak German. I expect my primary (probably 100%) mongering to be at FKK's, so the question really is which city has the best FKK's? Other secondary criteria for me are: sightseeing (including being able to take day trips to other countries) and ease of navigation.

Promise to contribute with any unique experiences.

Cheers!

I would stick to Frankfurt if I were you. Here is a suggested itinerary:

Day 1: Palace staying at the IBIS or Flemings depending on budget. Note that the club has a rep for sharks preying on newbie. Best defense is to watch which ladies are returning from the rooms with the happy customers. And which are going to the rooms frequently. When asked if you are in Germany on business or vacation, the correct answer is business.
Day 2: Rent a car and visit Oase. I've been shark bitten at Oase as often as Palace (about 10% rate). General consensus seems to be Oase is friendlier towards newbies than Palace.
Day 3: Point your Mietwagen towards World. I'm not a fan, but the club has its loyalists. Relaxing vibe downstairs for between sessions.
Day 4-5: Return to whichever club you liked the best.

[Lover Boy #2]

I believe the best place to go is the NRW....land in Duesseldorf........and you will be in Eden after a brief ride.




Fellow Mongers,

I am thinking of visiting Germany at the end of October for a 5-day mongering vacation (I know its the winter and all, but turns out to be really the best time for me to go). So my question is which is the best city to visit for mongering at FKK's? I am an experienced world-travelled monger; have been to Germany before on short trips, but don't speak German. I expect my primary (probably 100%) mongering to be at FKK's, so the question really is which city has the best FKK's? Other secondary criteria for me are: sightseeing (including being able to take day trips to other countries) and ease of navigation.

Promise to contribute with any unique experiences.

Cheers!

[Ssk00]

Hello!

I plan to Visit Berlin and I will have some free times. I'm thinking abbout visiting FFk club there. Could you tell me which is the best one for newbie? I hear about FFK-Artemis, what do you think?

[Willem2]

Hello!

I plan to Visit Berlin and I will have some free times. I'm thinking abbout visiting FFk club there. Could you tell me which is the best one for newbie? I hear about FFK-Artemis, what do you think?It's the only FKK club in Berlin, so you can only go to that one.

[Jackyo]

It's the only FKK club in Berlin, so you can only go to that one.
.. is La Folie.

Its been around longer, is a lot smaller and from all indications has lost ground to Artemis.

Berlin has an active Wohnungspuff scene, there are Sexkinos and the street scene is also very active.

There is no RLD though like in most German cities.

[Briedward]

I just wanted to share this travel tip:

If you enjoy renting cars w/GPS, I recommend to AVOID BMW 3 series.

The navigation system for BMW 3 series is simply horrendous. It doesn't have a display map. It only gives road directions. Those of us experienced w/GPS know that the location is often not perfect, and so road directions can be completely off. This is when it's vital to have a map display to help one navigate. Plus it's very useful to have a map display to plot a point to navigate. With no map display in BMW, you can only navigate by inputting a road name, which is tedious. Furthermore, if it doesn't have the road name (like konigsbergerst when trying to find FKK Palace), you'll have a miserable time finding your way about.

I once aspired to own a BMW 3 series. My Honda Accord navigation system is a million times better, and now I have renewed respect for my car. No longer do I have any desire to own a BMW. What a dirty secret BMW tries to cover up. The awful 'idrive' navigation system.

[Akibono]

I just wanted to share this travel tip:

If you enjoy renting cars w/GPS, I recommend to AVOID BMW 3 series.

The navigation system for BMW 3 series is simply horrendous. It doesn't have a display map. It only gives road directions. Those of us experienced w/GPS know that the location is often not perfect, and so road directions can be completely off. This is when it's vital to have a map display to help one navigate. Plus it's very useful to have a map display to plot a point to navigate. With no map display in BMW, you can only navigate by inputting a road name, which is tedious. Furthermore, if it doesn't have the road name (like konigsbergerst when trying to find FKK Palace), you'll have a miserable time finding your way about.

I once aspired to own a BMW 3 series. My Honda Accord navigation system is a million times better, and now I have renewed respect for my car. No longer do I have any desire to own a BMW. What a dirty secret BMW tries to cover up. The awful 'idrive' navigation system.


You don't buy BMWs for their nav system. If you are looking for practical, stick with your Honda, but stay in the slow lane.

[Cunning 1]

Buy an AMG, the Sat Nav is fantastic and you can blow all those silly Beemers off the road..LOL

[Jayf1970]

Very related to a question I had - are the GPS systems on rental cars in Germany available in English?

By the way, Briedward's comment was about renting, not buying.

[Jayf1970]

Frankfurt seems like the place to go. In ideal world I'd prefer intimate clubs with girls of 8-10 quality. In real world, smaller clubs usually mean slim pickings, so I avoid them.

Is there a good selection of clubs in Munich? I'll probably spend a few hours of the day at FKK's, but plan to do some sightseeing outside of that and have been recommended Munich. Any other cities?

Thanks again gentlemen.

[Pure Power]

Are ATM's the easiest and cheapest way to exchange money in Germany? I have basically been visiting 3rd world countries for all of my mongering in the past, so I am used to bringing all of my cash with me and exchanging it.

Basically i dont want to get there and my credit card not work.

[Iseeu]

Frankfurt seems like the place to go. In ideal world I'd prefer intimate clubs with girls of 8-10 quality. In real world, smaller clubs usually mean slim pickings, so I avoid them.

Is there a good selection of clubs in Munich? I'll probably spend a few hours of the day at FKK's, but plan to do some sightseeing outside of that and have been recommended Munich. Any other cities?

Thanks again gentlemen.
One of the things that makes Gemany a destination on the sex tourist's itinerary is that there's such a large choice of all kinds of houses, services, women, etc. Even though Munich and the surrounding Bavaria are not considered the best place for this hobby, you can find smaller and larger clubs, in Munich and surrounding towns. The best service and best value FKK is about 40 minutes outside of Munich, Colosseum in Augsburg. It has its own thread with info.

Other than FRA the best cities for the hobby are Dusseldorf and Cologne. There's a lot of info here and elsewhere on the web. Seek and ye shall find....

[Iseeu]

Very related to a question I had - are the GPS systems on rental cars in Germany available in English?

...with built in navigation systems will support English since it's considered a major European language. If it's preset to German, look for the "sprache" menuu and choose your language. In some cases it will ask you to insert the language CD, which you'll usually find in the dashboard.

[Hermescali]

Is there a good selection of clubs in Munich? I'll probably spend a few hours of the day at FKK's, but plan to do some sightseeing outside of that and have been recommended Munich. Any other cities?

Thanks again gentlemen.

If you want to spend a few hours for several days I would not recommend the Munich area, as choice is limited. If you go to the Frankfurt area you can visit the town of Heidelberg and the Rhine valley with it´s castles for sightseeing. Feel free to ask any further questions.

[Fkk Lover]

...with built in navigation systems will support English since it's considered a major European language. If it's preset to German, look for the "sprache" menuu and choose your language. In some cases it will ask you to insert the language CD, which you'll usually find in the dashboard.

Isseu, did you mean glove box instead of dashboard?

Various car models have different buttons to push and menus to find in order to change the GPS system to English. If you can't figure it out yourself as you adjust your seat & mirrors, drive to the customer service counter of the rental company and ask them to change it for you. Sometimes EVEN THEY have to pull out the owner's manual, fiddle with a bunch of buttons before they can finally reset it 10 minutes later.

If you wanna avoid all that and assuming you're coming from the US, I'd like to recommend the Tom Tom 910. It has both North America and Western/Central Europe maps preloaded, and it's cheaper than any other unit with such feature. It should be going for about $300+ on eBay.

[Jackyo]

Frankfurt seems like the place to go. In ideal world I'd prefer intimate clubs with girls of 8-10 quality. In real world, smaller clubs usually mean slim pickings, so I avoid them.

Is there a good selection of clubs in Munich? I'll probably spend a few hours of the day at FKK's, but plan to do some sightseeing outside of that and have been recommended Munich. Any other cities?

Thanks again gentlemen.
.. kind of activity.

Tote Hose as the Germans say.

Enjoy the beer. That would be it. A decent selection of clubs does not exist in Muenchen.

I personally don't think Frankfurt is the best place to go but as a newbie you will be satisfied and that is all you need to know.

Intimate clubs with girls which rank 8 to 10? You are looking for a small club, not a large factory environment. Then you say you are concerned that small clubs have slim pickings. This too is true.

Bottom line is there are no clubs whether large or small which only have women which rank better than 8. Also, you neglect the fact that there are Optikficks out there, women who look good but provide substandard services.

There are several dimensions to this issue.

[Muenchen]

Nearly for 3 years, at least once a week, I visit the FKK Club Colosseum in the the City of Augsburg.
The Club is very well managed and the Ladies are charming.

http://www.fkk-colosseum.de/

I live in Munich, but I never go for Ladies in Munich. You do not get the same performence like in Augsburg, believe me this is fact.

These Colosseum Ladies like to have sex with you, try to make you happy in order to make sure you come back to them again.

Don`t waste money in Munich, best Regards,

Muenchen.

PS: Whenever my US-Friends are coming to Bavaria, they love to have a very good time at Colosseum and this boys are always hot.

[Defragm]

I found this club http://www.fkk-atlantis.de on internet.

I do not know if it is the old Atlantis or a new one. Does someone have a clue?

It looks like brand new, and is worth visiting soon though.

Def

[Hessen Bub]

That's the former www.fkk-elite.de . It has reopened under the Atlantis-CI, but can not be compared. Read the posts on LSH or Römerforum, I doubt the club will be able to get to a good level regarding number of girls.

Hessen Bub

[Harry Dude]

Yes, ATMs are the way to go. They are everywhere. I never bring wads of cash. You may want to make sure that your card does not have a low limit on the amount of cash you can pull (often there is a limit per week).


Are ATM's the easiest and cheapest way to exchange money in Germany? I have basically been visiting 3rd world countries for all of my mongering in the past, so I am used to bringing all of my cash with me and exchanging it.

Basically i dont want to get there and my credit card not work.

[Ripple67]

Guys,

I have two questions.

Is there a map of FKKs (and Ts). I now travel quite frequently to Germany and would so apreciate a quick scan guide to see if there s anyhing wrth checking out.

Also are there any FKKs where there s more emphasis on well being. I. E. Nice sauna and pool- with the option of taking a babe. Having jsut spent last night in a "family" sauna with 17 or so different water steam and heat facilities I am sure I could enjoy that option as much as being in a brothel that happens to have a whirlpool.

Cheers,

Rip

[Akibono]

Guys,

I have two questions.

Is there a map of FKKs (and Ts). I now travel quite frequently to Germany and would so apreciate a quick scan guide to see if there s anyhing wrth checking out.

Also are there any FKKs where there s more emphasis on well being. I. E. Nice sauna and pool- with the option of taking a babe. Having jsut spent last night in a "family" sauna with 17 or so different water steam and heat facilities I am sure I could enjoy that option as much as being in a brothel that happens to have a whirlpool.

Cheers,

Rip


If you go to Frankfurt, make a very short trip to Wiesbaden. They have an excellent spa facility. Ony 25 KM from the airport. In general, Germany is filled with wellness retreats that are both great and inexpensive.

[Iseeu]

Also are there any FKKs where there s more emphasis on well being. I. E. Nice sauna and pool- with the option of taking a babe. Having jsut spent last night in a "family" sauna with 17 or so different water steam and heat facilities I am sure I could enjoy that option as much as being in a brothel that happens to have a whirlpool.


You're not going to find an FKK club which has the same level of spa facility as you can find at in the big public sauna facilities. Almost every German town with a populace of a couple of thousand people has one. Some of the bigger ones are amazing and worth spending some time in especially on Friday evenings when the young couples come out and the eye candy can be amazing.

Some of the best: Europa in Berlin, Taunus Therme in Bad Homburg (just a few km from Oase), Therme Erding (near Munich airport), Claudius and Mauritzius in Koln, Revierpark in Gelsenkirchen, and Titus Thermen and Rebstockbad (very close to Palace) in Frankfurt. There's a decent listing of all of them at http://www.insauna.com/deutschland.htm.

Sexual activity of any kind at these places is strictly frowned upon and any under or over water frolicking can result in expulsion. That said, some nights in some baths are restricted to adults, and many serve as meeting places for pickups. I've seen a couple thrown out of Europa in Berlin for lip wrestling, followed by lap dancing in the fake waterfall. Smelly V. has writen a report about some touchy feely fun that he had at a Dortmund public sauna with bi-swingers.

A number of FKK clubs have nice spa facilities. IMO, the nicest and best equipped is Harem in Bad Lippspringe ( see my report at http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=615317&postcount=1529). Artemis, Palace, World and Oase have nice facilities although nothing like Harem's.

Njoy

[Wanking]

Should be some good reports next week. Jackyo arrives in Germany for a well earned fuck fest, and is hooking with Iseeu for some club visits. Also I believe Jackyo is hitting Dorsten for the first time in a while, should be good....

[J Lite]

I found this old post by Peter : "I can name you at least 6 clubs that will not grant minorities entrance into clubs. I have been asked by some clubs to not bring my Indian friends by as the girls complain about it. "

I am of indian origin will be passing through germany for a few days.

Could folks pitch in with info on which clubs/partytreffs to avoid.

Thanks much!

[Member #4170]

Here is a first part of a combined report for my trip to Germany, I have decided to write one, what I hope will be a decent report instead of various small snippets.

I started out on Thursday the 18th in Berlin, after along day of travelling I ended up at Artemis, I would have to agree with those fellow mongers who had said it was good but not worth the trip to Berlin, I was in Berlin to try the club and to visit the Venus show, anyway back to the club, there is no doubting the fact that the club is very aesthetically pleasing, very spacious and no shortage of relaxation facilities, except they could do with a hot whirlpool and most defiantly no shortage of female company, saying that I did not like the attitude of a lot of them, including the girl who asked was it my first time in the club, when I answered that it was my first time in this club but not first time in an FKK club she said ah good FRESH MEAT, anyway I had one unmemorable session with a girl whose name I can not even remember, and as I was leaving I thought how glad I was that I had changed my plans from originally having 5 nights in Berlin to now only having 2.

Spent Friday at the show, well worth the trip, met some famous porn stars, got some autographs and some free dvds, say this very sexy looking Germany MILF walking around with her very large breasts hanging out for all to see, got chatting to her found out that she had just shot her first porn movie the day before, I offered to be in her next, told her straight I would love to give her one right there and then, she says no problem you can fuck me tonight, to cut a long story short she was heading to a big Gang Bang party that night and told me where to go and register for it, 125 guy 25 girls 100euro not bad, had a good time, ended up with my MILF coming back to my hotel for 1.30 hours for a private session 150euro.

Saturday flew over to Dusseldorf, picked up car and headed straight to GoldenTime, my favourite club in this area, spent about 8 hours there, great line up at peak time there were 90 girls I was informed, had 2 session with a lovely Girl called Ricarda half Spanish half something else cant remember, long 2 tone hair and nice medium breasts, great service, lovely kisser, pure GFE, left about 10pm annoyed with the front desk girl who would not change TV channel for me to watch the Rugby World cup Finale, I did explain that it is the biggest game of Rugby in the world for the last four years, but no some old Germany bustard wanted to watch some boxing, so I left and heard the rest of the match in the car while driving to the Living Room, good value to get in to another club check out line up for 20euro, had 1 session there with a girl called Yolanda, larger built girl with very large breasts, so so session, nothing special.

Sunday I made the same mistake as the last time I was in that area, I went to Ying Yang, I don’t know why, I find the line up there to be crap, had 1 unmemorable session again, could not even be bothered to remember her name.

Monday headed back to GT for some more time with Ricarda, spent most of the day there relaxing in the whirlpool and talking to a wide mix of mongers from the UK and anyone else I heard specking English, had a good laugh with a chap from the UK who had spent Sunday in Living Room, he had done same big girl with big tits as I had done on Saturday. Had a couple of lovely sessions with Ricarda and 1 with some other girl.

Rest of trip to follow latter.

IPM

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[Ripple67]

If you go to Frankfurt, make a very short trip to Wiesbaden. They have an excellent spa facility. Ony 25 KM from the airport. In general, Germany is filled with wellness retreats that are both great and inexpensive.Funnily enough I was there last week. Got put up in a hotel there when I was at a meeting 30KM away. Noticed it was spa town but I was only there from 2230 on Saturday til 0900 on Sunday. Oh well next time.

[Member #4170]

Here is a part 2 of the report for my trip to Germany, Tuesday I was heading down to Frankfurt for the last 4 days and thought it would be a good opportunity to sample the smorgasbord of delights from Bernd’s, I was particularly looking forward to having another great session with Princess, after meeting her on my last visit there with Iseeu, anyway unluckily for me it was her day off, so no Princess for me. Shortly after arriving I was sitting on the couch and started talking to Betty, for no other reason then there was an empty seat next to her, we were chatting away and she was telling me that the girl sitting near her was her sister Sylvia, at first I did not believe they were sisters, but shortly afterwards Briedward came in and went straight over to Sylvia and verified that they were indeed sisters, after speaking with him for only a few moments I realised that I was reading his reports about his time with Sylvia only that morning, you could see how taken he was with this girl, anyway it was very nice to have met him and share some mongering experience’s. after some time sitting and flirting with Betty we headed off to a room, she has a very nice sexy face but her body was not really my type, felt it was right to go to room with her after spending a lot of time chatting, session was fine, no complaints good kisser, but would not repeat, after a couple of hours decided to have 1 more session before leaving for the drive down to Frankfurt, went with a women called Martina, I don’t know why, not really my type, nothing memorable and would not repeat. I know a lot of guys on this forum are big fans of Bernd’s but now I have been 4 times and really don’t seem to get it and don’t think I will return in the near future.

Wednesday was the day I was looking forward to most because it would mean getting back to OASE. I wont go into details of what the club is like, it has all been written before, a little by me and much more by many others. Thing started off badly when I found out that one of my favourite new girls from Oase would not be around during my trip due to illness, Her name is Mia a very tall sexy creature whose country of origin escapes my memory right now. Events took a vast improvement shortly after arriving I was sitting relaxing in my normal spot of the new indoor whirlpool when I see this vision upon the sitting area above the whirlpool smiling down at me and blowing me a kiss, from my position in the pool all I could make out was long flowing blonde hair a tall slim body and the most amazing pendulous breasts, but could not make out the face clearly enough to identify who it all belonged to, I could not hold back any longer and towelled off to go make a closer inspection, well you could have knocked me down with a feather when I saw who it was, no other hen one of my all time favourite FKK girls LINDA from the Palace, who is now Adrianna from Oase. Well what a great start to the day a fantastic session of pure GFE, DFK, BBBJ paradise with a stunner. After some more relaxing I got reacquainted with Diana a small sexy little bundle of pure sex appeal with a lovely face and very nice tits, great service, if any one sees her grab her for a session quick, I believe she is giving the job in December. Meet up with a very nice chap from the forum OldAsiaHand, had a good chat about all things mongering related, and recommended he give Adrianna a spin, I think he was very happy with my choice.

Thursday went over to Atlantic in Hanau, very disappointing, the smallest line up I have ever seen at this club, nothing worth talking about, I had 1 session, cant remember her name, wont be repeating. I will give them 1 more try on next trip, if no improvement, it will be off my list. Decided to drive up to FKK World for the evening, what is wrong with this place, the last few time I have been there the line up has been very bad and very small, and tonight was no different. I didn’t really see any thing that made me over excited and was thinking of just relaxing in the whirlpool and might even leave without a session, na that was never going to happen, after driving all that was IPM was going to get some P. While getting a drink at the bar I spotted ZARA a tall sexy milf with blonde hair and a pretty bad big boob job , and decided to go with her, even if she had the look of a processor, at least if the session was bad I could play wit the silicone bags for half an hour, well never judge a book by the cover, the session was fantastic GFE, DFK BBBJ, and a good shag to finish, in fact she was so good that after relaxing again in the whirlpool for some time I repeated with her before leaving. I would head back to World again to see if line up has improved, especially if I knew Zara would be around.

Friday and Saturday were spent at Oase, pretty much a repeat of Wednesday, had a couple a good session with some news girls, cant remember names, sorry.

I would have to rate OASE as the number 1 club in Germany at the moment, with Goldentime at number 2, FKK World would be 3 for facilities alone, hopefully they will improve line up. I wont rate Artemis as I have only been once and doubt if I will head back, and I also wont put a rating on Palace as I did not visit this trip.

IPM

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[Beffen1]

Hey IPM, thanks for the fresh intel, a bunch of us are heading to FFM this week for an Oase-FKK World-Oase three day shagfest. I'm hoping the three day Halloween party will swell the ranks of the FKK World lineup. Sorry we missed you this time.

beffen

[Hessen Bub]

Hey IPM, thanks for the fresh intel, a bunch of us are heading to FFM this week for an Oase-FKK World-Oase three day shagfest. I'm hoping the three day Halloween party will swell the ranks of the FKK World lineup. Sorry we missed you this time.

beffen

Will you be at Palace tomorrow? Friday, Nov 2nd?

HB

[Wanking]

As some of know I keep a blog on all things "Paid sex". Anyway i neglected it for a while but Im getting it back on track now...

http://myprostitutes.***********.com/

[Wanking]

American version of an FKK..... ( not really )

http://m90.org/index.php?id=38331

[Wanking]

I think he flies home today, so we can expect some good reports very soon.

Amazing how quiet the forum is when he is away...

[Jackyo]

Yes, I am back.

Thanks for the efforts to find me. I couldn't always find an internet connection during my trip. Also, I don't have access to this site when I am unterwegs because, believe it or not, I don't remember my password to access it. I rely on my home PC to remember that detail.

Neither do I have a phone when I am there.

Part of this trip was to settle social and family obligations. When I was under their supervision my movements were under constant observation, as you can imagine.

So you will get no mongering reports from me about Switzerland, Austria and southern Germany.

All this while I was dodging the possibility of the Lokfuehrer going on strike and limiting my mobility without a rental car

I was able to visit NRW clubs and NRW clubs only: Samya, PT Krefeld, Babylon, Cocoon and PT Dorsten.

There have been some changes, some things remained the same. Details to follow.

I also caught up on gossip with my RF informants.

[Jackyo]

i found this old post by peter : "i can name you at least 6 clubs that will not grant minorities entrance into clubs. i have been asked by some clubs to not bring my indian friends by as the girls complain about it. "

i am of indian origin will be passing through germany for a few days.

could folks pitch in with info on which clubs/partytreffs to avoid.

thanks much!
.. but it does exist.

remember the girls are human and they (as you and i do) have their preferences.

i had an honest conversation with a chick (i won't name the club) last week just killing time and she went into this tirade about how she won't go with turks, russians or chinese.

why? she gave examples of being roughly treated, not being able to understand them or in one case, of being asked to do perverted things. (as to what qualifies as perverted, she wouldn't tell me).

everyone gets painted by the same brush even though it may have been only once or a handful of times that she had contact with a member of that ethnic group.

she said the chinese dude stole money from her, for example. so no more chinese from now on.

so if even just one asian indian dude has been to her club and she had a bad experience with him, you are automatically on that blacklist too.

how to counter this? maybe you can get in touch with the several hundred million asian indian men out there and tell them to treat the women well. just a suggestion. :-)

when guys from these groups are in the room, she makes herself scarce.

this is at a club which let anyone in. there are no guarantees that once you are in every girl will make herself available to you.

my advice is to test chemistry with the chick first.

if you smile at her and she smiles back, that is a good sign. if you have a conversation and she isn't distant but is actively involved, then that is another good sign.

as in real life, my rule of thumb is that if i can make a chick laugh, i can get her into bed. if you can make an fkk chick laugh, chances are you will have a good session with her.

i am, by the way, trying to perfect that method of looking at a chick from across a room, catching her gaze, cocking my head and having her come to me. its amazing to watch how subtly some guys do this.

one minute she's across the room, the next minute she's sitting beside him or in his lap.

guys take this discrimination thing seriously but the truth is that you are better off figuring out who wants to interact with you and who doesn't before you make it into a room with her.

if she sends off signals she doesn't want to be with you and you persist, only you yourself are to blame if the session turns out to be sub-standard.

you can save yourself a ton of money and aggravation but reading her verbal and non-verbal signs.

are there clubs which won't let ethnic minorities in? yes. the dortmund-alperbeck one definitely won't. so won't one in muenster which specifically says it has an exclusively german clientele.

these clubs are few and far in between though.

you do read rep001tered reports about gt and phg not allowing certain people in.

want to have a discrimination free experience? go visit the turkish clubs: penelope (its been renamed, i was told and the pool is gone) in essen and ali baba in wuppertal.

we, by the way, need reports on these clubs. i was having a conversation with a turkish dude last monday and he says that the selection at penelope is outstanding (i haven't been there in a while).

[Marlow]

Odd isn't it that some clubs have an ethnic policy regarding guests but none regarding the women who work there. I think Jackyo's advice is utterly sound. Yes, certain groups do not do themselves any favours. Turks because they make up the majority of pimps in Germany and (sorry) but have a Middle East attitude to women. They also work in groups, visiting clubs in twos and threes and are the most frequent demanders that the condom stays snug in its satchet. Germans and east european girls are not used to 'colour'. If you come from '-stan' the first black guy you will see in your life will be in a club (or on a porno movie) and if you are German the first thought ín her head will be how can he afford it here. Do as Jackyo suggests no matter what colour you are and have a good time.
As well as the tilted head technique which does wonders for the ego also try the palms upwards opening arms technique. That gets them sprinting over as well. It says 'babe, I need you bad!'
As for clubs to avoid. This problem exists almost exclusively in the Ruhr area because the clubs are the cheapest and the ethnic social mix in the region is more like Britain or America. Anything east of Essen and south of Dorsten....
So I would stick to the Rhineland.

[Wanking]

I was able to visit NRW clubs and NRW clubs only: Samya, PT Krefeld, Babylon, Cocoon and PT Dorsten

Especially looking forward to your Krefeld and Dorsten reports

[HoleRanger]

Need a little help fellas, I've read through many posts etc. It appears coming into Frankfurt is as good a spot as any and many locations are within a 30-60 minute drive. Is this a fair assumption? If not, please chime in with suggestions. I did not see much posted in terms of contacts. Taxi drivers etc. Most seem to use public transportation. Trains or just a car. If anyone has some contact info, point me in the right direction. Looks like I have to go at least once and compare it to my past exploits. Enjoy!

[Jackyo]

Need a little help fellas, I've read through many posts etc. It appears coming into Frankfurt is as good a spot as any and many locations are within a 30-60 minute drive. Is this a fair assumption? If not, please chime in with suggestions. I did not see much posted in terms of contacts. Taxi drivers etc. Most seem to use public transportation. Trains or just a car. If anyone has some contact info, point me in the right direction. Looks like I have to go at least once and compare it to my past exploits. Enjoy!
Frankfurt is a good place for newbies to start. I wouldn't describe it as a good a spot as any. There are only really two destinations in Germany for this activity: NRW and Hessen (where Frankfurt is located). If you find yourself anywhere else in Germany this activity is available but only these two Laender are travel destinations for mongering.

There are only three major clubs worthwhile visiting in Hessen: the so-called Hessen 3. There are over twenty five, maybe thirty clubs worthwhile visiting in NRW.

There are some major differences between the Hessen clubs and the NRW clubs but I won't go into what those differences are. Suffice it to say that as a newbie you will find what you are looking for in Hessen. This is as much as you need to know.

What do you mean by "not much posted in terms of contacts"? I beg to differ. This forum is chockful of data, particularly on club addresses, how to get to each one whether by car or by public transport.

The search function works, by the way. It works very well. There isn't much of a point in reinventing the wheel each time.

[DJ FourMoney]

Odd isn't it that some clubs have an ethnic policy regarding guests but none regarding the women who work there. I think Jackyo's advice is utterly sound. Yes, certain groups do not do themselves any favours. Turks because they make up the majority of pimps in Germany and (sorry) but have a Middle East attitude to women. They also work in groups, visiting clubs in twos and threes and are the most frequent demanders that the condom stays snug in its satchet. Germans and east european girls are not used to 'colour'. If you come from '-stan' the first black guy you will see in your life will be in a club (or on a porno movie) and if you are German the first thought ín her head will be how can he afford it here. Do as Jackyo suggests no matter what colour you are and have a good time.
As well as the tilted head technique which does wonders for the ego also try the palms upwards opening arms technique. That gets them sprinting over as well. It says 'babe, I need you bad!'
As for clubs to avoid. This problem exists almost exclusively in the Ruhr area because the clubs are the cheapest and the ethnic social mix in the region is more like Britain or America. Anything east of Essen and south of Dorsten....
So I would stick to the Rhineland.

Interesting...

I was in the Hesen area (Frankfurt) for most of my stay in Germany. I do not know where all the US bases are located and frankly African-Americans in the armed forces in Germany seldom report a problem getting "freebies" so I am not sure how Black men are reacted too in other parts of Germany.

[Jackyo]

Interesting...

I was in the Hesen area (Frankfurt) for most of my stay in Germany. I do not know where all the US bases are located and frankly African-Americans in the armed forces in Germany seldom report a problem getting "freebies" so I am not sure how Black men are reacted too in other parts of Germany.
.. is Afro-American and was a serviceman stationed there for over ten years.

He never had a problem interacting with German women but it could be that its because he speaks fluent German and is a really smooth talker.

His tastes also lean towards more circumferentially challenged chicks who otherwise get no attention so his high success rate may also be related to that.

He has said to me though that if he were from Africa and not from the US his experience might have been very different.

There is a huge distinction there.

What I thought was interesting were his comments about resentment exhibited to him by Turks. His theory is that they consider themselves to be at the very bottom of Germany society and they resent all other ethnic groups they consider to be above them.

He only hung out in Hessen where Germans are used to seeing blacks. Reactions to him elsewhere might have been different.

[DJ FourMoney]

.. is Afro-American and was a serviceman stationed there for over ten years.

He never had a problem interacting with German women but it could be that its because he speaks fluent German and is a really smooth talker.

His tastes also lean towards more circumferentially challenged chicks who otherwise get no attention so his high success rate may also be related to that.

He has said to me though that if he were from Africa and not from the US his experience might have been very different.

There is a huge distinction there.

What I thought was interesting were his comments about resentment exhibited to him by Turks. His theory is that they consider themselves to be at the very bottom of Germany society and they resent all other ethnic groups they consider to be above them.

He only hung out in Hessen where Germans are used to seeing blacks. Reactions to him elsewhere might have been different.

Interesting again....

He's a Chubby Chaser?

So his success rate deserves an * ?

I interacted with few Turks and generally we didn't have problems, nor did I detect any animosity towards Black people. I could be WRONG though. If he really does like bigger woman, I guess that leaves the thinner women for me...

I was disapointed on the "freebie" front while I was in Germany. I did talk to one fairly attractive German student while I was at the ONLY Hostel in Frankfurt. We exchanged email address but that's as far as it got. I was slightly disappointed. I also didn't find the proper places to "mack" to the women. The one spot I found two different nights were basically EMPTY. But that is the story of my whole trip to Europe; Being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Carry on...

[HoleRanger]

Frankfurt is a good place for newbies to start. I wouldn't describe it as a good a spot as any. There are only really two destinations in Germany for this activity: NRW and Hessen (where Frankfurt is located). If you find yourself anywhere else in Germany this activity is available but only these two Laender are travel destinations for mongering.Thanks for the input, I look forward to my first visit.

[RubMeister100]

My fifth time back to Oase will be with my colleague and want to show him jsut what an incredible experience the FKK has to offer.

We will arrive Bad Homburg on Sunday morning and will end up in Nurnberg on Thursday. We will travel by car.

Aside from Oase, Palace and World can anyone offer any suggestions for the road trip. I can't figure out all the small town names and correlate them to our route!

We will basically take the A3 through Wurzburg to Nurnberg.

Side trips or any other suggestions are much appreciated.

[Jackyo]

My fifth time back to Oase will be with my colleague and want to show him jsut what an incredible experience the FKK has to offer.

We will arrive Bad Homburg on Sunday morning and will end up in Nurnberg on Thursday. We will travel by car.

Aside from Oase, Palace and World can anyone offer any suggestions for the road trip. I can't figure out all the small town names and correlate them to our route!

We will basically take the A3 through Wurzburg to Nurnberg.

Side trips or any other suggestions are much appreciated.
.. the three Hessen clubs will be the highlights of your trip.

After you leave Hessen, everything will go downhill.

Is there anything which draws you to Nuernberg? The Weihnachtsmarkt? That might be the only reason to go there.

FKK Sylt is in Nuernberg but from all reports its nothing to write home about.

If it is true what I heard last week, Bayern has started to clamp down on the practice of BBBJ, saying its too much of a health risk. The women are actually fined by the authorities if they perform it.

Enjoy the Weisswurst and the Bier. They may be your only sources of pleasure during your stay in Bayern.

[Hessen Bub]

We will basically take the A3 through Wurzburg to Nurnberg.

Side trips or any other suggestions are much appreciated.

No side trips, but just to complete the picture on FKKs on your way:

You will pass www.fkk-atlantik.de in Hanau. A smaller club, not my type, but it's on your way. Also www.fkk-royal.de , called "McRoyal", 10 EUR entrance fee (including 3 towels and no drinks). And former Elite, now Atlantis, is also almost on your way, it is located close to Dieburg. http://www.fkk-atlantis.de

Hessen Bub

[Hamboner]

Sorry if I missed an earlier posting on this question, but what is the standard pricing for BBBJ with CIM or Cum on Her Face and no fucking? Friend has the question, but I don't have the answer. Is it 50 Euros?

[Regnad]

Provided by a rookie, just back from my first trip. Full reports posted in the proper spots, general info here.

1. Getting there. I've read numerous accounts of people having all sorts of trouble finding clubs, particularly Oase. I've been to five clubs in the past four days, including Oase, and have found each of them quite easily. It seems the preferred tool among readers of this board is the GPS system. I don't have one and have never used one. I've been using Google maps, getting directions from my hotel to the club, printing out two or three maps for each, zooming to get greater detail with each successive one. Each map has led me directly to the club.

2. Language and service. I'm going to post this, despite the fact that my sample size is WAY too small to be meaningful. Perhaps veterans of the FKK scene can add some more meaningful experiences. I've met 9 girls so far, 2 German. Of the nine, all the non-Germans spoke English at least passably, the two Germans spoke hardly a word. Of the seven non-Germans, six kissed with great enthusiasm and passion, one only lightly. Of the two Germans, one kissed lightly, the other barely.

3. Rent a Car. I rented a car through autoeurope.com, based in Portland, ME. For $225 for my four days. Putting almost 900 km on it, I added another $110 in gasoline. All of the clubs I’ve visited, excluding Samya, are far from any urban center in which you might be centered. Relying on cabs seems silly and expensive.

4. Expectations and quality of talent- I ventured with clearly excessive expectations, thinking I’d find a breathtaking array of breathtaking women from all over Europe. What I found was an array of women, some attractive, some not so, very few that I’d consider breathtaking, yet wonderfully diverse. My best guess now is that if you want to experience Europe’s truly beautiful women, you’d best be prepared to spend bigger bucks and deal with the escort agencies. I found, for the most part, no real shortage of women that appealed to me at three of the five clubs I visited. That, of course, will vary day by day. However, if it’s quantity that you want, the FKK scene is more than sufficient. I have no complaint, whatsoever, about the services I received. Quite the contrary; all of the women I engaged were as liberal with their services as I could possibly ask.

My sense is that the clubs do no screening, that any girl willing to pay the daily admission charge is free to work and, if she’s attractive enough to generate business, she can make some money. (Veterans, feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.)

I’m not an experienced world-wide "hobbyist. " My experiences, heretofore, are limited to Montreal, Canada, mostly with the medium-range escort agencies, but with some experience with incall, and some with independent escorts. I’d rate the FKKs at the lower end, mostly the equivalent of the south shore incalls. As with the Montreal incalls, there are some gems here, mostly younger girls, who could be working for bigger bucks as escorts in the big city. Notably Shaleen of Oase, Lissie of Samya, and Kiniga of Planet Happy Garden come to mind here.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Beffen1]

Sorry if I missed an earlier posting on this question, but what is the standard pricing for BBBJ with CIM or Cum on Her Face and no fucking? Friend has the question, but I don't have the answer. Is it 50 Euros?

For 30 minutes of what you describe it would be 100 euro whether you fuck or not- of course you could negotiate but it's going to be hard to get that price down. An hour would be 150 euro. It's 50 euro per 30 minutes and 50 for facial finish CIM.
So fuck her.

beffen

[Jackyo]

Provided by a rookie, just back from my first trip. Full reports posted in the proper spots, general info here.

1. Getting there. I've read numerous accounts of people having all sorts of trouble finding clubs, particularly Oase. I've been to five clubs in the past four days, including Oase, and have found each of them quite easily. It seems the preferred tool among readers of this board is the GPS system. I don't have one and have never used one. I've been using Google maps, getting directions from my hotel to the club, printing out two or three maps for each, zooming to get greater detail with each successive one. Each map has led me directly to the club.

2. Language and service. I'm going to post this, despite the fact that my sample size is WAY too small to be meaningful. Perhaps veterans of the FKK scene can add some more meaningful experiences. I've met 9 girls so far, 2 German. Of the nine, all the non-Germans spoke English at least passably, the two Germans spoke hardly a word. Of the seven non-Germans, six kissed with great enthusiasm and passion, one only lightly. Of the two Germans, one kissed lightly, the other barely.

3. Rent a Car. I rented a car through autoeurope.com, based in Portland, ME. For $225 for my four days. Putting almost 900 km on it, I added another $110 in gasoline. All of the clubs I’ve visited, excluding Samya, are far from any urban center in which you might be centered. Relying on cabs seems silly and expensive.

4. Expectations and quality of talent- I ventured with clearly excessive expectations, thinking I’d find a breathtaking array of breathtaking women from all over Europe. What I found was an array of women, some attractive, some not so, very few that I’d consider breathtaking, yet wonderfully diverse. My best guess now is that if you want to experience Europe’s truly beautiful women, you’d best be prepared to spend bigger bucks and deal with the escort agencies. I found, for the most part, no real shortage of women that appealed to me at three of the five clubs I visited. That, of course, will vary day by day. However, if it’s quantity that you want, the FKK scene is more than sufficient. I have no complaint, whatsoever, about the services I received. Quite the contrary; all of the women I engaged were as liberal with their services as I could possibly ask.

My sense is that the clubs do no screening, that any girl willing to pay the daily admission charge is free to work and, if she’s attractive enough to generate business, she can make some money. (Veterans, feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.)

I’m not an experienced world-wide "hobbyist. " My experiences, heretofore, are limited to Montreal, Canada, mostly with the medium-range escort agencies, but with some experience with incall, and some with independent escorts. I’d rate the FKKs at the lower end, mostly the equivalent of the south shore incalls. As with the Montreal incalls, there are some gems here, mostly younger girls, who could be working for bigger bucks as escorts in the big city. Notably Shaleen of Oase, Lissie of Samya, and Kiniga of Planet Happy Garden come to mind here.


1) GPS? What is that? I am of the old school, have a complete set of Stadtatlas at home and zero in on my destinations without any problems.

2) Everyone speaks some English, most of the time. However, your ability to really understand what is going on and fully participate is enhanced if you can speak Russian, Polish, Romanian, Turkish and German.

You will get by, as you did, but those five are probably the most essential.

Does it mean anything that the German women you met didn't speak much English? It only means that they weren't Gynasium material, IMHO. In other words, they weren't exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer and weren't chosen to do University studies.

Since I speak German, I tend to go with German women and I tend to look for German women who I can have conversations with. What I look for in clubs aren't hardened pros but rather what I call, talented amateurs. Women who do this on the side to make some money and have some fun. Most of the EE women are too professional for my taste (but there are exceptions).

3) The clubs you chose to visit required a car. You can, just as well, create a selection of very decent and acceptable clubs which don't require that you have a car. I do just fine without one and can take public transport to just about any club I need to get to. This is one expense which one can actually do without or reduce with the right itinerary planning.

4) Yes, the larger clubs do no screening. At Samya, for example, I would say that a third of the women who were there during their Halloween Party were unf'able. It is very much let the buyer beware. You need to do your own screening, determine your criteria, interview each one first.

You will always find several women who will meet your requirements at the larger clubs. Just how many women do you need to meet during a visit? For me, if I find just one woman who meets my standards at a club, I am happy and make it a point to see her several times during a visit if I can.

Just remember that some of the unf'ables are there as filler. Without them the club would look empty. They do nothing to enhance my experience at all.

This is the beauty of the smaller clubs where the owners edit the selection and instill a service philosophy. This is the beauty behind the philosophy of Bernds, for example. And the same goes for Babylon (at least this is their intention). At the clubs with edited selections, you can almost throw a dart to pick your next Lebensabschnittgefaehrtin and not regret your choice. Can't say you can do this at the larger clubs with unedited selections.

As to the escort scene in Germany, its not worth it. You don't know what you are getting. Would they be better than the offering at an FKK club? My guess is probably not. They'd be just more expensive.

In Montreal I have selection problems, by the way. When I am up there I never know who will be knocking on my door hence what is for a me a higher rate of average to bad sessions there as compared to Germany. At least I can assess who I am dealing with at an FKK club. I can see how she interacts with other customers, see her level of energy, enthusiasm, judge for myself whether she has a head on her shoulders.

[Routard]

Regnad,

Thanks for your input. I agree however with Jackyo, I have usually a better mutual chemistry with German girls than EE girls. The closer the countries (Czech, Poland, Hungary...) the smaller the cultural gap. The further the countries (Russia, Romania...) the more likely the girls are victims of human traffics.

But these are personal opinions, it all depends of own background, your language skills and feeling for different cultures. And of course each girl is different, no matter her origin.

[Regnad]

Regnad,

Thanks for your input. I agree however with Jackyo, I have usually a better mutual chemistry with German girls than EE girls. The closer the countries (Czech, Poland, Hungary...) the smaller the cultural gap. The farer the countries (Russia, Romania...) the more likely the girls are victims of human traffics.

But these are personal opinions, it all depends of own background, your language skills and feeling for different cultures. And of course each girl is different, no matter her origin.Funny thing. I studied German for three years in high school, two in college. Last was nearly 40 years ago. Did some boning up over the past few weeks and tried to use it this past week, but no matter what sentence I tried to form, I seemed to come up one word short, be it adjective, noun, or verb. Need to work on the vocabulary.

I saw 9 girls in my 4 days, would have been 11-12, but my stamina went. I got fabulous service from six, particularly the Kazakhstani girl (who was raised in Germany) at Oase, the Polish girl at PHG, and the Bulgarian at GT. The weaker service came from the two German girls; at Bernds I wouldn't hold it against her. She simply didn't turn me on. At Samya, she withheld her tongue while kissing, but beyond that she was great.

Again, my experience is MUCH too limited for me to make any meaningful observations regarding what to expect from girls from different nations, if indeed such stereotyping is valid at all.

[Jackyo]

Regnad,

Thanks for your input. I agree however with Jackyo, I have usually a better mutual chemistry with German girls than EE girls. The closer the countries (Czech, Poland, Hungary...) the smaller the cultural gap. The farer the countries (Russia, Romania...) the more likely the girls are victims of human traffics.

But these are personal opinions, it all depends of own background, your language skills and feeling for different cultures. And of course each girl is different, no matter her origin.
The further east she comes from, the less likely you and her share the same values. I'd never thought about it this way, but it is true.

I sometimes wonder about the socio-economic and cultural forces working behind the scenes here: what combination of those forces brought this woman to this place and time where I just happen to be? What is it that is driving her thinking and her motivations?

If you end up with a peasant chick from say, Kazakhstan, who would otherwise be spending her time milking goats if she weren't at this club, what is it that you would have in common with her (unless, of course, you also came from peasant stock from Kazakhstan and would also be milking goats for a living)?

And so what if she is "number two prostitute in all of Kazakhstan"?

[Breadman]

Provided by a rookie, just back from my first trip. Full reports posted in the proper spots, general info here.

1. Getting there. I've read numerous accounts of people having all sorts of trouble finding clubs, particularly Oase. I've been to five clubs in the past four days, including Oase, and have found each of them quite easily. It seems the preferred tool among readers of this board is the GPS system. I don't have one and have never used one. I've been using Google maps, getting directions from my hotel to the club, printing out two or three maps for each, zooming to get greater detail with each successive one. Each map has led me directly to the club.


From your reports you've been doing the clubs during the daytime...yes, your correct then...you really dont need a gps to find the club. But you've basically reported that you've been leaving the clubs early...during the daytime.

Did you do any night driving while you were in Germany? Specifically try to find an address or destination? Such as leaving a club at 3am and trying to find your hotel say 12 miles away down twisting country roads in complete blackness without hardly any street signs to find the way? I like using the gps for this reason...and to allow me to look around and see the countryside without having to worry about missing a turn. I also like the gps's ability to get me back on track if I see something interesting and decide to take a different road. Or if the autobahn is bumper to bumper and im 30 miles from the club...a little cross country drive is easier than being forced to stay on certain mapped streets from google.

[Regnad]

From your reports you've been doing the clubs during the daytime...yes, your correct then...you really dont need a gps to find the club. But you've basically reported that you've been leaving the clubs early...during the daytime.We live, we learn. My sense is still that I've have been able to find the clubs at night, with benefit of the maps. I've read an awful lot about guys being misdirected by inaccurate GPS readings.

I don't think I'd do another trip alone. Anxiety to find out what this is all about pushed me to do the trip now. Also, I think in going with a friend(s), I'd not be as anxious to get the day going and would likely start the day later. Three or four hours is more than enough time to experience the clubs alone; with friends, time at the bar, time at dinner would add to the experience and elongate it.

[Regnad]

The further east she comes from, the less likely you and her share the same values. I'd never thought about it this way, but it is true.Actually, since she comes from east of 1980 and I come from west of 1950, it's hardly likely that we share the same values regardless of her nationality. I'll leave my Jefferson Airplane records at home. ;-)

[Breadman]

I don't think I'd do another trip alone. Anxiety to find out what this is all about pushed me to do the trip now. Also, I think in going with a friend(s), I'd not be as anxious to get the day going and would likely start the day later. Three or four hours is more than enough time to experience the clubs alone; with friends, time at the bar, time at dinner would add to the experience and elongate it.

Then you should try to plan a trip with either myself or Jackyo...or both. Thinking of returning sometime in April or May, so keep in contact and tag along. Much better to visit the clubs with a couple of guys like Jackyo and myself...

[Jackyo]

Actually, since she comes from east of 1980 and I come from west of 1950, it's hardly likely that we share the same values regardless of her nationality. I'll leave my Jefferson Airplane records at home. ;-)
You should fit right in with Bernds target guest demographic.

Thanks to performance enhancing drugs (and no, I'm not talking about anabolic steroids), those old guys are still at it way after you'd have thought they'd have hung their spurs up.

The fountain of youth? It exists in the form of younger women, no doubt about it.

The movie Cocoon had it all wrong. Those older guys were stuck with their wives. What kind of a fantasy is that, if you really think about it?

[Regnad]

Thanks to performance enhancing drugs (and no, I'm not talking about anabolic steroids), those old guys are still at it way after you'd have thought they'd have hung their spurs up.As long as we’re on the subject of Youth: Fountains of and Drugs: Performance Enhancing, my recently completed voyage has sent me off to the research laboratory. What with the stress and fatigue of travel, altered sleeping patterns, and balling more young women in four days than I had in the last six months, my performance, as the day wore on, flagged like that of a middle reliever under the management of Joe Torre as July turns to August, and August to September.

I found that there are two ways to go. The more common is the "legitimate" pharmaceutical way providing near instant relief, taking such drugs as Viagra, to get an ultra-hardon that lasts hours or days. The second way, one which takes considerably longer to achieve results, is to take traditional herbals which have a longer lasting effect and which re-regulate the body so that the blood flows like it used to and niacin levels in the blood are re-regulated, if I may oversimplify things.

I found this article on webmd, http: //*******.com/23yzqv, in which two professors of clinical psychiatry at Columbia University in New York, endorse a readily available preparation called Arginmax. Arginmax is a product of GNC, a natural supplements chain that’s been around for at least 35 years, and is now, I believe, a subsidy of the Rite-Aid drug store chain in the US.

Has anybody here any experience with these substances or Arginmax and, if so, with what kind of results?

[Love Palace]

I agree that Hessen with Palace and Oase are the best.If you want a full list of FKK clubs by region go to www.igantzmice.com On first page there is a list of dutsch clubs.Down the page they start info about German FKK.Link to all adresse, www., prices etc Nyself i have found everything at Palace and Oase in summer.If you fin a nice club , stay!, the girls change.Have fun!


Frankfurt is a good place for newbies to start. I wouldn't describe it as a good a spot as any. There are only really two destinations in Germany for this activity: NRW and Hessen (where Frankfurt is located). If you find yourself anywhere else in Germany this activity is available but only these two Laender are travel destinations for mongering.

There are only three major clubs worthwhile visiting in Hessen: the so-called Hessen 3. There are over twenty five, maybe thirty clubs worthwhile visiting in NRW.

There are some major differences between the Hessen clubs and the NRW clubs but I won't go into what those differences are. Suffice it to say that as a newbie you will find what you are looking for in Hessen. This is as much as you need to know.

What do you mean by "not much posted in terms of contacts"? I beg to differ. This forum is chockful of data, particularly on club addresses, how to get to each one whether by car or by public transport.

The search function works, by the way. It works very well. There isn't much of a point in reinventing the wheel each time.

[Chukar]

I have been reading this great forum for the past few months and enjoyed it greatly. I have questions about the time in the rooms with a girl.

1 Say you meet in a kino and start kissing and BBBJ and then decide to go to a room. When does the 30 or 60 minutes start?

2 Do you have to wear a watch to make sure of the time or is there clocks in every room?

3 Some say with some girls if you go a few mintues over the alloted time the lady wants to charge you for addtional 30m. Then in other posts I read about sessions when after the deed is done you stay and talk with the lady. Would some members please comment on ways not to get over charged on time?

Thanks for any insights!

[Love Palace]

Time starts in room.Many guys are happy when rooms are full and they get extra time sitting and waiting for room.I never use a clock.Agree before you go to room about time.She should ask if you want to stay longer.Always agrre befrehand about time and payment!


I have been reading this great forum for the past few months and enjoyed it greatly. I have questions about the time in the rooms with a girl.

1 Say you meet in a kino and start kissing and BBBJ and then decide to go to a room. When does the 30 or 60 minutes start?

2 Do you have to wear a watch to make sure of the time or is there clocks in every room?

3 Some say with some girls if you go a few mintues over the alloted time the lady wants to charge you for addtional 30m. Then in other posts I read about sessions when after the deed is done you stay and talk with the lady. Would some members please comment on ways not to get over charged on time?

Thanks for any insights!

[Jackyo]

I have been reading this great forum for the past few months and enjoyed it greatly. I have questions about the time in the rooms with a girl.

1 Say you meet in a kino and start kissing and BBBJ and then decide to go to a room. When does the 30 or 60 minutes start?

2 Do you have to wear a watch to make sure of the time or is there clocks in every room?

3 Some say with some girls if you go a few mintues over the alloted time the lady wants to charge you for addtional 30m. Then in other posts I read about sessions when after the deed is done you stay and talk with the lady. Would some members please comment on ways not to get over charged on time?

Thanks for any insights!
The sense of thirty minutes as thirty minutes is a very loose one and is subjet to a plus and minus factor.

1) Everything starts once you make physical contact, more or less.

Are there women out there with stop watches who time this to the second? No.

I had some couch action with a chick at Wiago once. We go to find a room but all of the rooms are taken. I suggest we just hang out on the couches and get into it while waiting for a room. She said, she would have the count the time against my thirty minutes. So I countered by saying, why not we just do it out on the couch. No problem there. Problem solved.

2) There usually are no clocks in the rooms. The one club I know always has a clock in each room is Cocoon but otherwise, no. You need to bring a watch with you.

3) Yes, in some instances, i.e. you have picked yourself a clock watcher, you will be billed for going over the thirty minutes. If you are at a club where the women are not clock watchers, thirty minutes will be plus or minus a few minutes.

The way to not be charged over time? Bring a watch. Point to it subtly when the session starts so she knows you are aware of the time. I underline subtly here.

Ending up in a "you said, she said" argument is not a good thing. On the other hand, being too strict time-wise on your side can ruin the mood.

Your call.

Play your cards right. If you have picked a true non-clock watcher, you have picked yourself a gem and should congratulate yourself.

Billing you for overtime beyond the basic session is a very common practice. It is done a lot at the clubs which have women who prey on newbies.

Want to avoid this problem? Do your homework and evaluate your Lebensabschnittgefaehrtin carefully before committing to her. Have your scam radar turned on if you visit a club which has a history of scams.

Beware of the running up the clock strategy. I have been at this a while and a chick at GT did this to me last spring. It came totally out of the blue. I thought she was just one of those women who didn't have her eye on the clock. Nope. She did. In fact, she purposely indulged in time wasting tactics so she could claim I went over the basic thirty minutes. She claimed a whole hour and a half (!)

Overall, its all a matter of chemistry. If you get along with her and she is genuinely happy to be with you because you are pleasant company, make her laugh, are well groomed and are a gentleman in every sense of the word, she will bend the rules and not hold you to an exact thirty minutes of her time.

If she does not really want to be with you, it will be very clear as well to you. She will stand up and make the bed quickly just as soon as you are done, walk you briskly out of the room and stand impatiently while you fish for money in your locker. Then a quick peck on the cheek and she is off to find her next victim.

If it was really only a financial transaction, the next time you see her, she will totally ignore you despite your efforts to smile at her or wave or even make a short meaningless comment. This is the part where I make a small mental note not to go with her ever again.

The really smart ones know that building relationships is more important than turning a maximum number of tricks. There are transaction-oriented women though who ignore the big picture.

[Ortos]

The sense of thirty minutes as thirty minutes is a very loose one and is subjet to a plus and minus factor.



2) There usually are no clocks in the rooms. The one club I know always has a clock in each room is Cocoon but otherwise, no. You need to bring a watch with you.



You know, I've always wondered why the fuck they do not provide clocks as part of the FFK club room's standard furniture. I mean, time conflicts between the male customer and the working girl must account for a lion's share of the arguments that develop in these clubs. Take a look at clubs like Palace and Oase or GT or PHG where there business can be very brisk sometimes, with long waits for rooms, etc. Also large amounts of money have been invested in rennovations and furnishing these rooms. Why don't they spend the trifling amount it would cost to put some cheap clocks on the walls of these zimmer-chambers? Don't you think the clubs are for some reason purposely avoiding installing clocks? Like casinos? What is afoot?

Ortos

[Hamboner]

For 30 minutes of what you describe it would be 100 euro whether you fuck or not- of course you could negotiate but it's going to be hard to get that price down. An hour would be 150 euro. It's 50 euro per 30 minutes and 50 for facial finish CIM.
So fuck her.

beffen

Thanks. This makes sense. 50 Euros period for her time and then another 50 for CIM

[Toscana]

You know, I've always wondered why the fuck they do not provide clocks as part of the FFK club room's standard furniture. I mean, time conflicts between the male customer and the working girl must account for a lion's share of the arguments that develop in these clubs.Interestingly they did have clocks at the now defunct FKK in Prague. And it worked well. They even had a telephone, and so far as I remember you got a single ring five minutes before the end of your time. How about that for service? "Zu Ende ficken, no. 5, your time is almost up." Mind you I wouldn't want to be in charge of the switchboard at Palace or Artemis when there was a Messe.... :-)

[Dave Jamsis]

Good discussion (sure it was brought up in thread before but I am somewhat new...)

Take the above average to high-end FKK dame. How much $$$ does she make a year?

For sake of my experience and arguement, if she turns 10 tricks a day while working 4 days a week = 100,000EU/yr. That does not include 'extras', and of course some dames (such as Linda from Palace) probably do double that easy.

Question - do the dames have to PAY the club to work at FKK clubs? Assuming the 30 min rate is standard 50EU, what % would the keep?

Just curious

[Akibono]

Why have clocks in the rooms when all the girls have built in clocks inside their head? LOL.

Clocks will not solve the problem of time keeping. If a girl wants to rip you off or if a client wants to argue, that can still occur. I can imagine a big scoreboard with a clock timer that you set when you first enter the room! A simple solution is employed in places known as taxi dance joints. When you select a girl, she punches a time clock. When the "dance" is over, she punches the ticket again and you pay by the minute. Not very romantic.

In the old Atlantis, there were girls that gave you extra time if you spent more than 30 minutes with them.

[Doctor_Skank]

Good discussion (sure it was brought up in thread before but I am somewhat new...)

Take the above average to high-end FKK dame. How much $$$ does she make a year?

For sake of my experience and arguement, if she turns 10 tricks a day while working 4 days a week = 100,000EU/yr. That does not include 'extras', and of course some dames (such as Linda from Palace) probably do double that easy.

Question - do the dames have to PAY the club to work at FKK clubs? Assuming the 30 min rate is standard 50EU, what % would the keep?

Just curious
As far as I've understood, the girls pay the same entry fee as the men and that's it... since the entire premise is that people just "meet" in the FKK club and what happens behind closed doors is "private business". Not sure if the girls have to pay other fees, but the official version AFAIK is that they simply pay the 50 Euro (or however much) entry fee.

[Chukar]

Sorry another newbie question!

Do the girls in the clubs provide the condoms or do you bring your own? If you bring your own condoms what brand do you recommend?

[Love Palace]

They only pay the entrance fee.But, please deduct time for holiday, slow season, Christmas, red days from calculated income.And for supporting "friends".Some are good collecting money for the future, but to many are depending on helping others/pimp/family


As far as I've understood, the girls pay the same entry fee as the men and that's it... since the entire premise is that people just "meet" in the FKK club and what happens behind closed doors is "private business". Not sure if the girls have to pay other fees, but the official version AFAIK is that they simply pay the 50 Euro (or however much) entry fee.

[Wanking]

Please read the following with Bills (my hero) voice in your head and it will be more satisfying http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu-d15hRJrM


In my many years of paying ladies and attending all sorts of sex clubs, I occasionally encounter what I think is a true GFE girl. Nicole in Krefeld is almost one of these, but in the last year there have a few, Natalie in Selm was one, but the most extreme I have ever met is Eva in Club Tabulos almost exactly one year ago.

I’m sure many of you will have your own different opinions on the following and I would like to hear them:

But I reckon these girls are seriously all damaged goods, who have had childhoods full of either extreme abuse or a complete lack of love and affection from their guardians/ parents or probably both.

And for this reason, they feel some sort of love when they have sex, but what Ive noticed about them all what they love most is being touched, held and hugged. When I look back to fucking Eva a year ago, she provided the most extreme sex I have encountered from any woman anywhere in the World. This included full bareback with everyone there, bareback anal, allowing fisting of vag, multi fingers in her anus, Massive deep kissing, riming men and not just cum in mouth, but actually swallowing every last drop of man juice. But the thing she loved most was being hugged, in fact she hugged me so tight in return it was like a bear hug, and she also wrapped her legs tight around my waist when we were doing miss. Another thing she loved was me kissing her neck, after doing that she would gaze deeply into my eyes. I swear guys Im fucking serious, dunno if I reflected all that in my report a year ago but that’s how she was.
Also what these girls love is any sort of caress or touch, even grabbing their ass is welcome…

Any thoughts??

[Excess]

... but then again what girl could possibly resist a Smelly Vagina. ;-)

Sorry SV-WK I couldn't help myself. Must be in a frisky mood after being led astray by some bad girls - again.

[Regnad]

Sorry another newbie question!

Do the girls in the clubs provide the condoms or do you bring your own? If you bring your own condoms what brand do you recommend?They provide their own, however... I've found that if you use Japanese condoms, either Kimono or Crown, and spray a little silicone lubricant INSIDE the condom, it feels like you're wearing nothing at all.

The Japanese condoms, and I slightly prefer Kimono over Crown, are ultra thin and super strong. The silicone lubricant conducts body heat. 1 + 1=2.

I've purchased both these items in Montreal. The lube goes for about $20 for a 1 or 2 ounce spray bottle, the condoms about $20 per dozen.

[Wanking]

... but then again what girl could possibly resist a Smelly Vagina. ;-)

He he no worries dude, I welcome and enjoy the slagging :D

[Jackyo]

Sorry another newbie question!

Do the girls in the clubs provide the condoms or do you bring your own? If you bring your own condoms what brand do you recommend?
They have loads of them.

If you want to bring your own, why not.

They are a matter of personal preference so giving you a brand recommendation isn't going to help you. You need to make up your own mind by testing a few.

By the way, for very elementary questions such as this one, you might want to use the search function first.

If you have a detailed question about a specific club or girl, we are ready to answer them but very elementary questions can be researched on your own. Fair enough?

[Chukar]

Jackyo,

That answers all my general quesions. Thanks you,I know you are one of the Best when it comes to helping board members.

[Warsteiner]

They provide their own, however... I've found that if you use Japanese condoms, either Kimono or Crown, and spray a little silicone lubricant INSIDE the condom, it feels like you're wearing nothing at all.

The Japanese condoms, and I slightly prefer Kimono over Crown, are ultra thin and super strong. The silicone lubricant conducts body heat. 1 + 1=2.

I've purchased both these items in Montreal. The lube goes for about $20 for a 1 or 2 ounce spray bottle, the condoms about $20 per dozen.

Good tip Regnad,

I normally take my own condoms as I don't like the one's the women normally have. I'll give the Kimono one's a try.

[Jackyo]

for my 1,400th post i thought i jot down questions which have been going through my mind the most whilst in pursuit of this hobby.

i know. i have a tendency to overanalyze things and have been for the longest time been involved in deconstructing the experience in hopes of being able to a) repeat the best experiences i’ve had to date, b) avoid the worst experiences i’ve had to date.

you may have thoughts on this which will help me along on this road of discovery and self-examination.

here goes:

1) when is it sex?

i ask this question because of my experiences at partytreffs where i have numerous encounters with women but don’t always come (i plainly just can’t do it every time). do these encounters even qualify as sex? it looks like sex, involves penetration and a number of other things but i’ve read legal definitions of sex which specify that the man actually has to ejaculate (which in my mind makes sense if every time there is [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) case, they always look for the man’s genetic material on or near the woman).

i think there is a point in this activity when it doesn’t really qualify as sex but plainly poking and that maybe it really is best described as entertainment (poking plus conversation, z. b.).

2) why is it called carnal knowledge?

i have had numerous experiences but can’t say that i know anything about the women i’ve been with whether in the sense of “knowing them”. carnal knowledge is, however, the biblical sense of the word. but if i’ve been involved in it, i actually possess no knowledge at the end. in my career, i have had several extraordinary experiences, but mostly they have been average experiences and some bad ones as well. in the far reaches of my mind even the most extraordinary experiences are fuzzy and don’t leave me with any residual knowledge of who i was with.

3) why do i sometimes have really awesome orgasms and sometimes not so awesome orgasms? and is an orgasm really an end in itself?

i’ve been trying to puzzle this out for a while. i have had lots of fun without an orgasm but have gotten to the point where i withhold it on purpose if i don’t think she is “worthy” of it. why waste an orgasm on a chick who is only just average?

its like going fishing and catching a fish which isn’t big enough. i toss it back.

this, of course, puzzles some women. one of the women i was with on my last trip thought it actually was perverted.

4) is there a hardness scale for women similar to that of the mohs hardness scale for minerals? shouldn’t there be a scale so one can do relative comparisons?

i ask myself this question because though sometimes i have a pre conceived notion look at a chick in terms of how her breasts and ass are going to feel, i sometimes am surprised. silicone tits will always be relatively hard but natural ones have varying textures. some just literally melt in your mouth. others are harder than you would think. and the same applies to a chick’s ass.

5) similar to the above question, is there a way of rating women by fit?

there is a mechanical fit involved between male and female parts. its similar to finding the right glove size. some women just are a better fit for me than others are but i’ve not found a consistent way of sizing them up. as i’ve posted once before, i have experienced piston slap (and i’m sure some of you have as well).

6) will this forum ever evolve into a situation where our reviews can be classified in a similar way to how amazon.com makes suggestions?

i mean by this having software which can say: “if you like anja at pt dorsten, you will like katja at bernds too”. or something similar.

7) why do some women come easily and others not so easily?

some women are just easy to please. and others i’ve been with will say i’ll need to invest two hours before she will come.

this sets aside the common argument i’ve heard which is: “i can’t come with you. i can only come with my boyfriend.” its as if they can turn it on and turn it off at will.

i’m hardly ever going to describe myself as a stud but this inconsistency bugs me.

i was once with a chick here locally and after i came, we kind of hung around and eventually she got me aroused again. she says to me: “its my turn.” i say: “fine”. she gets on top of me and in five strokes (count them, 1-2-3-4-5) she comes. it was that simple.

pity i don’t meet women like this very often.

i've never felt so used, by the way.

i’ve examined partners who didn’t come easily and wondered if its because their clits are too small. no idea what drives women’s sexual responses.

8) has anyone actually tried to identify the viscosity and other characteristics of natural lubricant and other lubricants?

lubrication is the key to her making me come. if she is way to slippery, i just don’t get a grip and no matter what she does, i just can’t come. if she is too dry, its not a good thing either.

most women just kind of lick their fingers and lube themselves this way. i don’t find saliva to be a good lubricant. i just don’t.

what is the optimal viscosity of the lubricant which will guarantee a good experience for me? that is what i want to know.

is 10w-40 good enough? in the winter should i switch to a winter grade?

9) why do temperature readings of her mouth sometimes differ from temperature readings taken of her elsewhere?

okay. this is approximately the halfway mark. i’ll post these and then post the other questions i have later in a second batch.

[Regnad]

Interesting stuff, Jackyo. Have you given thought to offering a course in Hobbying Theory at the U. of Dusseldorf? You could have a future as the Jacques Derrida of sex for pay.

I've got some thoughts on your questions. Will post them later.

[Breadman]

In the far reaches of my mind even the most extraordinary experiences are fuzzy and don’t leave me with any residual knowledge of who I was with.

One of the women I was with on my last trip thought it actually was perverted.



I've had tons of experiences...and the one's that seem to stick in my mind are those which had more interaction before going to the room. Happened a couple of times in Montreal when I had the chance to escort the escort to the room from a couple of hobbiest parties (very, very rare this happening). Other times in Germany it was the non-sex meetings that stand out...and the sex afterwards that makes it less like being paid for...sitting outside on GT's back deck on a couch with a hot chick and just watching the stars. Taking a cutie into a room at Bernds after giving her a back massage at the bar...and giving her a long massage before even starting the sex. The massage led to a more open and flowing experience (and I wasn't charged for the time spent massaging her).

Now processing girls to get the most action under your belt...been there, done that. Don't really remember all that much from these experiences. So I can see if you comment to the girl that you are saving your cum for another girl, some might take it as an odd behavior. If your looking for good experiences, you shouldn't have 'poking' as part of your definitions. But if you do, its best to tell her another excuse...

[Breadman]

Downloading some porn and looking for those ohhhh so hot european girls ive come used to in the fkk paradise....and ran across a very interesting video. In the video you can see an umbrella with the name "paradiso" after about 30 seconds into the video. Its also shot in front of a fence that might be that of an fkk club...

Could it be that this video was shot at Paradiso?

http://www.btmon.com/Porn/Movies/Cute_20yr_Czech_girl_-_Christina.avi.torrent.html

[Regnad]

1) When is it sex?Well, back in high school, kissing was first base, playing with boobs second.

Must confess that I'm not in agreement with Bill Clinton: getting or giving head, straight or gay, IS sex. So, to my mind, all of the experiences you describe are sex.

For my part, I don't always, given my advanced age, cum either. Took my favorite working girl on a seven day vacation on Vancouver Island about 16 months ago. We had sex at least once a day; I probably came a total of four times in the week.


2) Why is it called carnal knowledge?What are you questioning here? The carnal? or the knowledge? I suppose, to those of the species who are not cannibals, probably most of the posters on this board, this will always remain a fuzzy term.


3) Why do I sometimes have really awesome orgasms and sometimes not so awesome orgasms? And is an orgasm really an end in itself?The brain is an erogenous zone. The better orgasms, I would guess, are those when the dear little thing has engaged both your brain and body. One of the key components of the "art" of hobbying, for me anyway, is my ability to fall in love in 15 minutes. The trick, then, is falling out of love before the sun rises on the next morning.

No, an orgasm is definitely NOT an end in itself.


4) Is there a hardness scale for women similar to that of the Mohs hardness scale for minerals? Shouldn’t there be a scale so one can do relative comparisons?

5) Similar to the above question, is there a way of rating women by fit?Not yet, in either case, but feel free to develop one. I would think there is a Nobel Prize down the road for the person who comes up with these metrics. You'll also be required to develop a device that measures and standardizes the results. This would be the profitable part.


6) Will this forum ever evolve into a situation where our reviews can be classified in a similar way to how Amazon.com makes suggestions?

Another potential Nobel Prize in the offing here. In this case, however, the profitable part will come from licensing the software rather than selling a device to hobbyists.


7) Why do some women come easily and others not so easily?I've only been married three times and am not nearly qualified to answer this. Give me two more.



8) Has anyone actually tried to identify the viscosity and other characteristics of natural lubricant and other lubricants?I don't know that viscosity is as important as chemical properties. As I noted below, I've discovered that the use of silicone lubricant, which conducts body heat, helps overcome the primary deficiency of condoms.

As for switching to winter grade, unless you're planning to do her by the pool, I don't see where this is relevant.

[Love Palace]

You are right. To have a hug or massage after sex and any touching after sex
is very welcome.To be close to someone without having to respond with sex is a nice human gesture.Even amateur girls go for sex only to be close to someone.To touch neck, feet, hands and back only in the way to say I like you makes a girl feel good.
So it is the same for every woman. They do not have to be damaged goods.I often give a foot or back massage after sex.Thanking for the good session and next time it is often better!


Please read the following with Bills (my hero) voice in ead and it will be more satisfying http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu-d15hRJrM

In my many years of paying ladies and attending all sorts of sex clubs, I occasionally encounter what I think is a true GFE girl. Nicole in Krefeld is almost one of these, but in the last year there have a few, Natalie in Selm was one, but the most extreme I have ever met is Eva in Club Tabulos almost exactly one year ago.

I’m sure many of you will have your own different opinions on the following and I would like to hear them:

But I reckon these girls are seriously all damaged goods, who have had childhoods full of either extreme abuse or a complete lack of love and affection from their guardians/ parents or probably both.

And for this reason, they feel some sort of love when they have sex, but what Ive noticed about them all what they love most is being touched, held and hugged. When I look back to fucking Eva a year ago, she provided the most extreme sex I have encountered from any woman anywhere in the World. This included full bareback with everyone there, bareback anal, allowing fisting of vag, multi fingers in her anus, Massive deep kissing, riming men and not just cum in mouth, but actually swallowing every last drop of man juice. But the thing she loved most was being hugged, in fact she hugged me so tight in return it was like a bear hug, and she also wrapped her legs tight around my waist when we were doing miss. Another thing she loved was me kissing her neck, after doing that she would gaze deeply into my eyes. I swear guys Im fucking serious, dunno if I reflected all that in my report a year ago but that’s how she was.

Also what these girls love is any sort of caress or touch, even grabbing their ass is welcome.

Any thoughts??

[Everhard]

I sort of like these esoteric issues myself, so here some brief subjective input.

1) When is it sex?I'm not sure why you wonder. What's the legal definition to do with anything? (If, say, an employer forbids P4P, I would rather seek legal counsel than trust advice given here.) In the forum we're interested in the artistic definiton: If it feels good, it's sex...

3) Why do I sometimes have really awesome orgasms and sometimes not so awesome orgasms? And is an orgasm really an end in itself?Personally, I seldom remember orgasms, rather the sex that led to the orgasm (or not) and that intangible thing called chemistry. So in general, an orgasm isn't an end in itself. It might be, but then it's more a matter of hormones and horniness. The younger you are, the more the hormones itches inside your body, craving for orgasms. When you become older you're less and less controlled by hormones, hence it's easier for an old fart not to be led astray by, say, sharks at Palace. As a side effect, my guess is there is no thought of rationing the orgasms as long as the libido is at peak level. Sadly, we cannot stay forever young.

5) is there a way of rating women by fit?I think not. Take shoe size. Just one number, when there is lenght, width, height, girth and what not. When we cannot fit a shoe to a foot based on metrics, how could we ever rate vaginas by fit? (I realise mankind started fucking long before using shoes, but we're wired to enjoy almost any vagina whereas get sores from unfit shoes.) Back to trial and error.

the one's that seem to stick in my mind are those which had more interaction before going to the room.I guess we are back to that thing called dating then:)

[Jackyo]

... because the bureaucrats of the EU tend to overregulate things.

Wasn't it a couple of years ago that they created specifications for the length and diameter of EU standard pickles?

Why wouldn't they do it for women's intimate measurements (or men's measurements, too) and find a way for those of us who aren't always getting the best mechanical fit to find the right fit?

There was a recent Youppie thread whose headline said that the EU was requiring Germany give up its FKK clubs in the interest of EU standardization.

It, of course, caught my eye and almost caused several folks who read it a heart attack.

In the end, it was just a joke (Gott sei Dank!).

But who knows?

What if the EU were to step in and standardize bordellos across all of Europe and standardize the services offered by the girls?

I can almost picture them writing specs on what a BBBJ should consist of or how many strokes per minute are acceptable if she does cowgirl or reverse cowgirl, z. B.

[Jackyo]

Bear with me. Here is the second accumulated set of questions I’ve been asking myself.

1) Why is it that if you pick a chick who you’ve observed sitting there all afternoon but has gotten no customers you sometimes feel like she’s in a rush to get you out of the room so she can go back on the floor even if you know and she knows that she’s just not that much in demand?

The longer a chick waits on the floor between sessions, the more sour her face becomes. The more sour her face, the less likely she is getting any more customers… so it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

As Edith Piaf sang in L’Accordeoniste: “Les filles qui font la gueule, les hommes ne les veulent pas.”

2) I am the only one who isn’t into BJs?

I’ve written here before about my not being a fan of BJs. I will tolerate them for about a minute but having had lots of really rough ones with lots of teeth, I switch to conventional sex as soon as possible unless she is so good that I don’t have the sense she is gnawing on me.

There are guys who actually have a fear of vagina dentata. I have a fear of boca dentata.

I can count the number of times I’ve come with just a BJ.

3) Am I the only one who talks during sex?

I ask this because at PT Mettmann where there are a lot of folks in the same bed at the same time I sometimes find myself the only one who is making complete sentences while having sex. The rest of the room moans and groans but I am always the exception to this.

I have the same experience when I am participating in local gangbang activities.

Maybe I am just too talkative. I can’t come when I’m not concentrating and when my mind is thinking of other things.

4) Is there intelligent life at these clubs? At which clubs do women who are training to do brain surgery or to become rocket scientists work?

Some guys define a GFE as a combination of abbreviations: DFK + BBBJ + etc.. = GFE.

I actually look for women at these clubs who I’d want to go out with in real life and if she isn’t someone I can have a conversation with, I don’t find her interesting and therefore don’t think she is GFE material.

It’s a higher standard that most guys apply to these women.

It is a fantasy of mine to meet a really intelligent chick with a nasty, kinky side at one of these clubs. I’ve succeeded a couple of times in finding these women but its very much hit-or-miss.

5) Is there a way of elevating the “art of the FKK review” on this forum?

I say this because we may look back at this time in say a decade or so and realize that we missed out on creating a lasting record of our times by our acceptance of unimaginative review writing.

I know that I am guilty of this, myself.

There are cryptic reviews out there of the nature of: “She was good.” or which consist of a telegraphic alphabet soup of: “Anja, 23, blonde, DFK, BBBJ, CIM, etc…”

Then there are the ones which omit names and talk about anonymous blondes/brunettes/raven haired beauties from Romania/Bulgaria/the Ukraine and other points way to the east.

At the other extreme, there are reviews out there which do really utilize the whole arsenal of literary forms in their use of allegories, metaphors, etc..

As in most prose literature, reports do have literary elements: a protagonist, a plot (boy meets girl(s)), a source of tension and/or conflict (will he have a good time with her or not?), a climax (does he actually climax? And was it good?), a denouement (will he see her again?).

There is a psychological level to this (a Joycean stream of consciousness mode, z. B.), sometimes a symbolic one (the protagonist as Everyman, reflecting the human condition: we are all starved for sex because it is normally withheld from us).

Most are written from the first person singular narrator’s point of view but sometimes the main figure (the dick) is given his own personality and written in the third person singular. Almost never is it written from the woman’s point of view (now that would be an interesting angle, don’t you think?)

I can even imagine making an artsy movie documentary in cinema verite, tranche de vie style with lots of injected pauses and periods of silence (this is quite normal at a club where you sometimes sit between sessions and because nothing happens or nobody talks, you stare into space).

Most importantly, I am itching to read the very first FKK Haiku.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiku

[Breadman]

5) Is there a way of elevating the “art of the FKK review” on this forum?

I say this because we may look back at this time in say a decade or so and realize that we missed out on creating a lasting record of our times by our acceptance of unimaginative review writing.

I know that I am guilty of this, myself.

There are cryptic reviews out there of the nature of: “She was good.” or which consist of a telegraphic alphabet soup of: “Anja, 23, blonde, DFK, BBBJ, CIM, etc…”

Then there are the ones which omit names and talk about anonymous blondes/brunettes/raven haired beauties from Romania/Bulgaria/the Ukraine and other points way to the east.

At the other extreme, there are reviews out there which do really utilize the whole arsenal of literary forms in their use of allegories, metaphors, etc..



The deciding factor in my opinion is the access to the internet while on the fkk scene. When im in Montreal im almost forced to spend time on the internet searching for talent...which girl is working at each given agency (many agency's now update their 'who's on tonight' schedule)...so you have time to write out detailed reports. There are those who have to stay connected 24/7...if so, their reports will include names and better details...they can relive the experiences at their hotels afterwards. Then there are those who hunt down internet access (Jackyo) from time to time to check on things and write reviews...and jot down notes so posts in the future have the right info. Myself, I fall under the 'generalization' section of the review function...I try to jot down names and clubs...but dont want the information to be found in my bag/get lazy and dont record the information/forget to ask the girl her name (all of the above).

Maybe when all phones have 24/7 internet access and keypads to write out reviews will we see detailed on the spot reviews as they happen.

[Regnad]

1) Why is it that if you pick a chick who you’ve observed sitting there all afternoon but has gotten no customers you sometimes feel like she’s in a rush to get you out of the room so she can go back on the floor even if you know and she knows that she’s just not that much in demand? Just further proof that irony is the strongest force in the universe.


2) I am the only one who isn’t into BJs? Probably, though I have no use whatsoever for the covered BJ. I have yet to perform my first BJ, either covered or BB, and dare say that I'll be in the next world before I do, but speaking without experience, I'd have to say that sucking on soft flesh sounds far more appealing that stuffing my mouth with latex.


3) Am I the only one who talks during sex? No, not at all. Am I the only guy who prefers sex with eyes open rather than closed? I like talking during sex, joking and laughing. I like full eye contact. I find that I come much more easily when I'm melting into my partner's eyes.


4) Is there intelligent life at these clubs? At which clubs do women who are training to do brain surgery or to become rocket scientists work? Again, the brain is an erogenous zone. I'm much more turned on by warmth, intelligence, personality and beauty than I am by beauty alone. Took my favorite working girl to San Francisco for four days a couple of years back. On the plane out there, when she told me that the one "must see" on this trip was the City Lights Bookstore, I knew that this was going to be one fabulous weekend.


5) Is there a way of elevating the "art of the FKK review" on this forum? Sure, but it depends on who's writing. I used to put a ton of effort into my merb reviews, but stopped some time ago as I came to seek a bit more privacy. I put a ton of effort into the writeup of my maiden voyage to Germany a couple of weeks back. Sadly, I didn't reread my 4000 word effort before I posted it. Upon re-reading, what I posted was, to my eye, a pretty good draft, but had several bad segues and some sloppy writing. I think the the inability to edit posts here is a problem as I would have gone back and cleaned up my work. Also, the inability to edit or delete is an inhibiting factor as some might be reluctant to post something they later decide they'd rather not have in the public domain.


Most importantly, I am itching to read the very first FKK Haiku. Well, while you're waiting, here's one that appeared recently on the Sons of Sam Horn board:

Sizemore rounding third.

Here's Damon's throw to the plate.

Bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce.

[Iseeu]

Congrats on reaching 1400- actually as the primary beneficiaries of your invaluable contributions here we should be genuflecting before you. You're the major reason that this thread has become an art form in itself, maintains such a high quality of postings, and is so collegial and genuinely useful. Thanks from all of your admirers...

Reading these last 2 gems, I thought that you either have way too much time on your hands, or didn't get enough on your recent tour...I have lots of comments and thoughts but will have to take some time to compose a proper response. I have a long flight coming up at the end of the week and hope i can get to it then.

In the meantime, while sitting here in the home of Haiku, Land of the Rising Sun, which I call a la NY and New Orleans "The Big Tease" (Hordes of lithe, gorgeous Jgirls in short, tight, clingy things, most of whom are seriously off-limits to gaijin, and a dearth of gaijin-friendly reasonable F4F or P4P options to relieve the gathering storm in the loins), I've taken up your challenge (I'm a long time Haiku afficionado) and composed over breakfast, my first 3 entries in the FKK Haiku contest. Maybe Jackson can open up a special thread and judge entries, with the winner announced at the Oase Weihnacht party?

Those heavenly orbs
oasis paradise world
stars blow the senses

Smoke sex cheap perfume
nubile parade passes by
couched toweled mongers

Hidden mongst dark woods
lie man's pleasure palaces
FKK sauna


Is there a way of elevating the “art of the FKK review” on this forum?

I say this because we may look back at this time in say a decade or so and realize that we missed out on creating a lasting record of our times by our acceptance of unimaginative review writing.

I know that I am guilty of this, myself.

There are cryptic reviews out there of the nature of: “She was good.” or which consist of a telegraphic alphabet soup of: “Anja, 23, blonde, DFK, BBBJ, CIM, etc…”

Then there are the ones which omit names and talk about anonymous blondes/brunettes/raven haired beauties from Romania/Bulgaria/the Ukraine and other points way to the east.

At the other extreme, there are reviews out there which do really utilize the whole arsenal of literary forms in their use of allegories, metaphors, etc..

As in most prose literature, reports do have literary elements: a protagonist, a plot (boy meets girl(s)), a source of tension and/or conflict (will he have a good time with her or not?), a climax (does he actually climax? And was it good?), a denouement (will he see her again?).

There is a psychological level to this (a Joycean stream of consciousness mode, z. B.), sometimes a symbolic one (the protagonist as Everyman, reflecting the human condition: we are all starved for sex because it is normally withheld from us).

Most are written from the first person singular narrator’s point of view but sometimes the main figure (the dick) is given his own personality and written in the third person singular. Almost never is it written from the woman’s point of view (now that would be an interesting angle, don’t you think?)

I can even imagine making an artsy movie documentary in cinema verite, tranche de vie style with lots of injected pauses and periods of silence (this is quite normal at a club where you sometimes sit between sessions and because nothing happens or nobody talks, you stare into space).

Most importantly, I am itching to read the very first FKK [i]Haiku.

[Jackyo]

Thanks for your comments!

There we have it: the very first Haiku on this forum! :-)

[Toscana]

I can count the number of times I’ve come with just a BJ.Oh, so can I. It just takes a helluva long time, that's all.

You guys wouldn't all be currently residing in USA by any chance? LOL. Keep up the entertainment.

[Jackyo]

I have yet to perform my first BJ, either covered or BB, and dare say that I'll be in the next world before I do, but speaking without experience, I'd have to say that sucking on soft flesh sounds far more appealing that stuffing my mouth with latex.
Ha!


Took my favorite working girl to San Francisco for four days a couple of years back. On the plane out there, when she told me that the one "must see" on this trip was the City Lights Bookstore, I knew that this was going to be one fabulous weekend.
That must have been some weekend!

Its easy enough at these clubs to meet peasant girls from the Ukraine or Belarus with the IQs of a doorknob. Its much more difficult to meet smart women with something to say and who have a nasty and kinky side to them.

I've uncovered several gems during my travels and they also tend to be much more imaginative and creative in the sack. Communication with them is also easier and they tend to laugh easier at my jokes (which is an important selection criteria on my part: I can't stand that "deer-in-the-headlights" look signifying they have no idea what I'm talking about).

My favorite local provider, Sophia, is someone I've known for years. She reads, goes to the movies, visits new restaurants and so part of my visits to her involve book, movie and restaurant reviews. She's always trying new recipes. Oh, yes. We do have sex too and because she knows me well, she knows exactly what I like (and vice-versa).

She is about as compleat a girlfriend as can be (except for the pay component) and being with her crosses the line between sex and entertainment.

[Iseeu]

My favorite local provider, Sophia, is someone I've known for years. She reads, goes to the movies, visits new restaurants and so part of my visits to her involve book, movie and restaurant reviews. She's always trying new recipes. Oh, yes. We do have sex too and because she knows me well, she knows exactly what I like (and vice-versa).

She reads, is cultured, can cook and is good in the sack. What more are you looking for?.
Oh- wait. You're paying her to talk about books, listen to her movie critiques, and taste her cooking experiments. She's got a good thing going. She'll never get that once you make her Mrs. Jackyo. LOL

[Jackyo]

She reads, is cultured, can cook and is good in the sack. What more are you looking for?.
Oh- wait. You're paying her to talk about books, listen to her movie critiques, and taste her cooking experiments. She's got a good thing going. She'll never get that once you make her Mrs. Jackyo. LOL
That is the problem! :)

I have the luxury of not having to deal with her during her off moods and even if otherwise she is pretty high maintenance, she has a way of making me forget that when we are together.

I also feel that I'm lacking in experience in making an honest woman out of a pro.

Anybody with a success story to share?