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just wanted to give Everhard's post a bump for those who might find having fkk clubs on google earth.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=507807#post507807Thanks for recognition! Actually nowadays there is an even simpler method to find P4P in Germany, directly in the web browser.
Open maps.google.de and copy this line into the search field
http://www.roemerforum.com/gearth/Clubs.kml
Have a friend going to Stuttgart for business...with several days free to roam around. Can someone provide me with some info on which clubs to visit...and their rates, etc?? And possibly some hotels close to those clubs so that we can see if he can get a hotel closeby...
thanks for any help...
Ask Sonny from ijsberenforum. He went to http://www.the-paradise.de/paradise. Also Feldstecher (Rheinforum) was at the opening and it should be a very nice club with many girls.
Have a friend going to Stuttgart for business, with several days free to roam around. Can someone provide me with some info on which clubs to visit...and their rates, etc? And possibly some hotels close to those clubs so that we can see if he can get a hotel closeby.
Thanks for any help.
Hessen Bub
03-18-08, 11:37
RTFF - just kidding.
There's 4 clubs in the Stuttgart area:
www.fkk-sakura.de (Sakura)
Entrance 60 EUR. 60 EUR for the half hour, CIM 25 EUR (ask, could be 50)
www.fkk-haus.com (FKK-Haus)
Entrance 60 EUR. 55 EUR for the half hour, CIM 25 EUR.
www.the-paradise.de (FKK Paradise)
Entrance 69 EUR. 50 EUR for the half hour, CIM ?? EUR.
www.fkk-stuttgart.de (Phoenix)
Entrance 40 EUR. 55 EUR for the half hour, CIM 25 EUR.
HB
Have a friend going to Stuttgart for business...with several days free to roam around. Can someone provide me with some info on which clubs to visit...and their rates, etc?? And possibly some hotels close to those clubs so that we can see if he can get a hotel closeby...
thanks for any help...
.. in Southern Germany.
This includes Baden Wuerttemberg (where Stuttgart is) and Bayern.
I'd also include Switzerland and Austria in this.
I was in Bayern, Austria and Switzerland last November and I did nothing. I am scheduled to attend a wedding in Salzburg this July and I also am going to do absolutely nothing.
Frank Dallas
03-19-08, 01:23
First of all, my kudos to you guys who report in this section, the depth of the info is astonishing. Hopefully I am not asking repetitive questions, I already know that even fat guys like me whose German is as bad as Elliott Spitzers credibility can get laid as long as we are polite and hygenic!
Let me give the background.
I will be in Frankfurt for a Friday and Saturday in early June, then I have to catch a plane out early am on a Sunday. I will be back in Franfurt the followinng Saturday, then have to run to Saarbruken until perhaps Monday evening, leaving again for the US from Frankfurt on Tues early.
As to the first part of my trip, I will arrive in Frankfurt early Friday about 8 am, after a 8,000 mile 15 hour flight with an 8 hour layover. My thought is to get a small car, and see how I feel before I decide where I should go: Palace, Oase or World. I suppose my decision will have to abide the most recent reports, but be that as it may, which of the three major clubs are, in the view of you experienced guys, most "relaxation" friendly...in other words which place is easiest to catch a few winks or have a palatable meal if I get myself wore out...alternatively, I can fool around a bit, and get a room, then come back...
What are the current choices among you experienced guys for rooms at either World or Oases. I have far more choices if I decide to do Palace.
Now on Saturday I am thinking about a room back at the airport, so that when I leave whatever club I chose for sat night, I will be easily accessible to my plane on Sunday....does anyone have a reccommendation as to an airport hotel.? The IBIS looks decent.
I have seen some refernces to guys "reading a book" during long stays? How do the girls view trhis? Where do you carry it? I get bored easy and 20 minutes by a pool with a good book and a cup of coffeee is Viagara to me.
Now on the second leg, I guess I am limited to the FKK in Saarburken, which had some decent reviews...or is there some other place in the general area that is better?
I have more questions but they are dragging me to work!
Thanks for having read the forum before asking your questions.
Since you are coming in June and are likely to be tired I would think that either Oase or World, with their gardens, would be the choice. With luck the weather should be decent. If it is not so good on the day, World would be preferable because there are areas downstairs where you can withdraw and close your eyes a bit. You can keep a book in your locker and fetch it when you need it. Simple. No one cares if you read. Some of the girls may interrupt you, but that may happen anyway. (I have even mastered the art of reading while someone is fumbling under my towel. LOL) If you are indoors in Palace or Oase, it's not so easy to find a place to relax and read, and the lighting is not conducive to it either.
You will only need a small car. There is advice on the forum about where you can book favourably. A navigator would be an extremely good idea.
As far as the girls are concerned, you'll probably be bowled over first time, wherever you go. I doubt if you'll be able to concentrate on reading in fact ;-). I wouldn't prepare in any way. It's always different when you get there anyway. Just go and enjoy. And report. :-) We like newbie reports.
You can try FKK Saarbrücken. Better, on current reputation, would be FKK Neunkirchen about 30kms away and under the same ownership. It's a pity in a way that you're doing it this way round. Don't expect the optical quality or number of girls to be quite so high as in the Frankfurt area (think 12-15 girls). But I know NK very well, and the levels of service are reliable. There are some very good girls there this year. Same price structure at NK (but entrance EUR 50), slightly different at SB. NB, no food at Neunkirchen (except on Thursdays) don't know about SB, so take a sandwich perhaps. Whichever you choose, a report would be highly appreciated since they get little attention due to their location.
Finally, fear not about language. English will get you through. In fact at NK or SB you will probably hear more French than German.
in other words which place is easiest to catch a few winks or have a palatable meal if I get myself wore out...alternatively, I can fool around a bit, and get a room, then come back...
I believe World is more calm and tranquile then Oase and Palace. You may relax and read your book, have your coffee and make sessions whenever you want. This is the biggest of those three, there are two bars in each floors, lots of rooms and a big foodcourt. But this is more than 40 kms to Frankfurt, Oase and Palace is closer to Frankfurt airport.
Regarding Saabrucken, I have no additional info.
Have fun,
Frank Dallas
03-19-08, 19:08
You guys are great!
As to a car, looks like my best deal is via sixt. De. I am too old, fat and lazy to use a Smart car. Nothing less than a Opel for me They seem to have the best rates for me right now.
Navigator? Whats wrong with maps? I'm old fashioned
I've used google earth to drive to each place five times already.
I am truly looking forword to this trip. I have enjoyed the hobby in NYC, Las Vegas, Tijuana, Pattaya, Moscow, Bangkok but this is my first FKK run.
I do intend to do reports by the way, and as I will be taking my laptop, maybe contemporaneously.
Now where is the best food around these big three FKKs. And it can be any style or ethnicity. I'm the type of guy that goes to Adelitas in Tijuana just for the taco cart.
Vito Corleone
03-20-08, 02:12
You guys are great!
As to a car, looks like my best deal is via sixt. De. I am too old, fat and lazy to use a Smart car. Nothing less than a Opel for me They seem to have the best rates for me right now.
Navigator? Whats wrong with maps? I'm old fashioned
I've used google earth to drive to each place five times already.
I am truly looking forword to this trip. I have enjoyed the hobby in NYC, Las Vegas, Tijuana, Pattaya, Moscow, Bangkok but this is my first FKK run.
I do intend to do reports by the way, and as I will be taking my laptop, maybe contemporaneously.
Now where is the best food around these big three FKKs. And it can be any style or ethnicity. I'm the type of guy that goes to Adelitas in Tijuana just for the taco cart.Wolrd has the best food & I would highly recommend renting a car with a GPS. Forget the maps.
Member #3421
03-20-08, 21:05
I want to ask the experts for their summaries and opinions of lounging and relaxation in FKKs. This follows up recent posts regarding World, in particular, being larger than most FKKs and having areas where (in theory) one could read a book or nap. There was also a discussion about being woken by girls, perhaps inappropriately, but that's another matter.
Disclaimer: I realize that a hard-core FKK visit might be 6+ hours without really needing much of a break. Fine, no problem, but that's not the niche I'm aiming at here.
I'm interested in being able to relax and spend a whole day, opening to 10 PM, say. Or even leave and come back (if there were a good restaurant close to the FKK), if re-entry policy permitted it: a plus. Outdoor area with pool, chairs, tables: a plus. Indoor areas with couches that don't need to be 100% action, all the time: a plus. Low-pressure vs high-pressure approaches from the girls: a plus. Helpful attitude of the management in this respect: a plus. Good food: a plus.
Small, emphasis (or explicit emphasis) on business, volume: a minus. Bad food: a minus. No outdoor area: a minus. You get the idea.
It goes unstate that the girls constitute a potential plus/minus in the debate, but that is well-covered in 90% of the posts out there, and doesn't need to be explicit here unless exceptionally good or bad.
Given those guidelines, I'll start a list here with two examples of what I've gleaned, and hopefully others will cut-paste-and-add. This is not first-hand information, so please correct me if I make mistakes:
1. World: one of the biggest, an old mansion. Indoor pool and sauna in the basement, with reasonable changes to relax, read (even nap) if not woken by a girl (see recent posts on that front). Food: mixed reviews -- I almost said "not the greatest" but looking one or two posts back there was a positive review. Outdoor area good, better than average.
2. Berndts: smaller, not much outdoors, but good food, and the girls are completely dedicated to service and respectful of privacy (deserving of special mention on that front). I gather someone reading someplace wouldn't be disrupted unnecessarily, but this is speculation based on the wide range of glowing reports. It might be difficult given the size. This is perhaps a "must do" on anyone's FKK tour, but perhaps not near the top of the list for a more relaxing visit?
Thanks in advance for any contributions, first-hand or otherwise.
- OBG
I want to ask the experts for their summaries and opinions of lounging and relaxation in FKKs.
I've spent the entire day at several clubs without too much of a problem....10am to 3am'ish. Having a book is a good thing to bring along...so is a mp3 player. Also found beef jerky to be a good investment in case the food isn't there when you need a snack. Also for the guys thinking of doing an fkk tour...don't overpack. A carry on bag is all you should need...you'll be wearing a towel or a robe most of the trip anyway.
Goldentime: Several places to grab some down time...outside couch's that have heaters by them if its a bit chilly (and blankets). Inside by the sauna are 2 lounge chairs that give you a place to chill out. Food is a bit iffy...sometimes its great, other times you wish you had food delivered like some of the girls do. Plenty of beer handy...at the bar or self serve outside...police are known to check to see if people have been drinking...but there are plenty of hotels in the area so a cheap cab ride/walk solves this issue.
Oase: The one sauna has 3 lounge chairs available, at times though these get taken. Plenty of places outdoors (some even with shade) in the warmer month's. Food always seemed available and pretty decent during a trip last May (outdoor grilling)...but the new setup with the food behind the bar just doesn't cut it...especially when the bartender is busy grabbing other people drinks. Your sorta out in the sticks...can't think of anything you could walk to for this club.
Finca: Many places to grab a nap or relax...indoor area has several nooks here and there, one under the stairs that im sure nobody would even notice and probably lock you in the club when it closed. Outdoors didn't see much shade...so falling asleep puts you at risk for sunburn. Food was pretty decent...even some good deserts. And they restock around 10pm for the nighttime happy hour rush. So if you miss the dinner here, you have more coming. Club is right in the downtown area...and ive been told the management will let you leave and re-enter if you need to get some fresh air and return later with more energy.
PHG: Don't think there's one area inside the club where you can take a nap...and outdoors is just the pool area (rain or cold weather and your stuck inside). Food was pretty good, went back for seconds and thirds no problem. Negative is the beer and not having a hotel closeby....drink too much and reports are the police are waiting.
Samya: I view this club as a 'rainy day' club...and even then will only visit if its at the end of the week. Not much of an outdoor area at all...its the tent in the picture on their website. And even if you want to get some fresh air, bet you'll be hard pressed to find the doors leading out. Food is usually pretty decent and they grill outside under the tent when its warm outside. You can grab a nap downstairs by the showers, several lounge chairs there for people to use for that reason...and you might even see a cutie taking a shower in front of you while you relax. Self service beer inside...and some hotels reasonably closeby (and public transportation as well).
Frank Dallas
03-21-08, 02:08
This subject really piques my interest. My gig is that since I am there on business, I might as well take advantage of my free time and I'd be an all dayer, especially since I need time between pops.
Food...the key is food! (and sex, but there is plenty of stuff about that here)
Frank Dallas
03-21-08, 21:11
A bit of advice?
I'm thinking about satying in the Mercure Hotel in Bad Homburg, as it is close to Oase and right on the highway to World.
Good choice? Better selections? For $78 Euros on a pre book for 2 days it seems good
That was a nice summary by breadman of the hangout options at various clubs. Also to be added:
Golden Time: when the food is crappy, you can ask the people at the reception desk to order for you. I've done this twice and both times have opted for Chinese takeout from this restaurant just down the main road (corner of B221 and St Barbarastrasse).
Living Room: you can also ask receptionist to order for you. This is a good club to stretch your night after spending your day at GT. You pay reduced entry fee at LR, the club is open until 3AM, you squeeze in one or two more fucks, drink as much beer as you want, and walk or crawl if necessary to the hotel less than 20 feet across the street from the club.
Vito Corleone
03-22-08, 00:48
I want to ask the experts for their summaries and opinions of lounging and relaxation in FKKs. This follows up recent posts regarding World, in particular, being larger than most FKKs and having areas where (in theory) one could read a book or nap. There was also a discussion about being woken by girls, perhaps inappropriately, but that's another matter.
- OBGWorld is the best club to spend 12-16 hours in. I have been woken by women @ all the clubs I visited (World, Oase, GT, Palace) so plan on taking short power naps. I have only spent more that 12 hours @ World, Oase & palace. Some small snacks is very important @ Oase & Palace as their food is gone by 10pm & you will be running on fumes until 4-5am.
A bit of advice?
I'm thinking about satying in the Mercure Hotel in Bad Homburg, as it is close to Oase and right on the highway to World.
Good choice? Better selections? For $78 Euros on a pre book for 2 days it seems good
I stayed there just last month. Just fine, BUT the price you quote on a pre-book and pre-pay goes up as the date nears.
BTW, I've found each and every club I've visited with Google maps printouts. I wouldn't pay for a GPS.
www.fkk-stuttgart.de (Phoenix)
Entrance 40 EUR. 55 EUR for the half hour, CIM 25 EUR.
HB
Can't tell if this club has an outdoor area...can someone give a description of the club...size, facilities, # of girls who usually work, etc....
thanks
I want to ask the experts for their summaries and opinions of lounging and relaxation in FKKs.
I'm interested in being able to relax and spend a whole day, opening to 10 PM, say. Or even leave and come back (if there were a good restaurant close to the FKK), if re-entry policy permitted it: a plus. Outdoor area with pool, chairs, tables: a plus. Indoor areas with couches that don't need to be 100% action, all the time: a plus. Low-pressure vs high-pressure approaches from the girls: a plus. Helpful attitude of the management in this respect: a plus. Good food: a plus.
Small, emphasis (or explicit emphasis) on business, volume: a minus. Bad food: a minus. No outdoor area: a minus. You get the idea.
Just to add my $.02.
I have done all day-ers at Oase, Bernd's, GT and Artemis- found plenty to do. I can't believe that some of you bring books and iPods. You get bored watching gorgeous naked female pulchtritude? I also firmly believe that your observations and interactions with other guests and/or the SP are key to getting a good experience. Shutting yourself out and signaling that you're not interested in interacting with the other inhabitants of this unique ecosystem, will also effect the way that they relate to you, SP included.
I don't particularly like the food at any of the clubs, so I won't iclude my assessment of the food options in my rating. Of the large clubs here's my take:
Hesse 3: World with its 2 levels and great outdoor area would be the best of the clubs to chill all day. Oase has a great outdoor area but less indoor chill possibilities, although I like the lounge chairs near the new jacuzzi. I have on occasion taken 2 extra towels with me into the Oase kino, laid down, covered myself and slept like a baby without Romanian or other interruption. Oase also has that nice "treehouse" where you can really be alone. Palace would be the worst of the Hesse 3 for chilling out with no outdoor area and few indoor places to get lost in, although the sauna/hammam area is a very relaxing space.
NRW: I agree that GT is probably the best for this, although Villa Vertigo from initial reports seem to be promising (I haven't been so I can't say). PHG is nice in the summer months. Living Room is relatively small, but it has a nice realx area on the lower level where the sauna and jaccuzzi are located. I agree with the previous comments re Bernd's. You can sit and relax, but forget about finding a corner for yourself or reading a book. At a club like this, interaction is a key to your experience.
Others:
*Artemis- Well appointed indoor facility with lots of places to chill and the downstairs relax area around the pool is nice, but there's no outdoor area which is a serious shortcoming. But it does have a small fitness room to eh burn off some calories.
*Harem (Bad Lippspringe)- Pack your running shoes and sunscreen. Very nice facility with 5 different steam and sauna rooms, lots of places to chill, a "restaurant", a kino room that no one uses, a computer game room and a real fitness room with a couple of treadmills, weight equipment, etc. It's all situated on 3 sides around a nice outdoor swimming pool wth lounge chairs and beach umbrellas that looks like a 5 star hotel. Now if only they had some more good SP...
*Colosseum- The public area is basically one big room, so you can pretty much forget getting away and being by yourself. You can sit by yourself in one of the corners and they would probably leave you alone. No real outdoor area.
OBG,
I think the same. If I lived in Germany and had to attend e.g. family dinner I would settle for two or three quick ones in the club during a few hours, but as a tourist not much else to do than spend whole day at a club.
PHG: Negative is the beer and not having a hotel closeby.... I checked Google Earth. The distance to the nearest "city", Kempen, is at worst marginally longer than GT-Brüggen or Oase-Friedrichsdorf.
I checked Google Earth. The distance to the nearest "city", Kempen, is at worst marginally longer than GT-Brüggen or Oase-Friedrichsdorf.
You can walk to Goldentime from any hotel in Bruggen in around 20 minutes, depending on where you stay. Most are only 1 mile from the club...
PHG on the other hand...no hotel within 3 miles. Meaning either you taxi it in or forgo drinking too much beer. I did drive when I visited...and found that the city of Oedt had blocked off a major street and rerouted traffic. Not wanting to drive back thru that construction after having had a few, I set my gps to take me a slightly longer and more scenic route back to my hotel (lets see you guys with your printed maps manage this at night).
And as to Oase...the comment was for clubs serving free beer. Since Oase doesn't serve free beer, the hotels distance away doesn't matter as much.
I have done all day-ers at Oase, Bernd's, GT and Artemis- found plenty to do. I can't believe that some of you bring books and iPods. You get bored watching gorgeous naked female pulchtritude?
You have to admit, sometimes at 10am till about 3pm the pickings are pretty slim...and you don't want to rush off with the first available girl all the time. An ipod still lets you keep watch of the girls, some just like their soundtrack to the 'watching' to be different from the clubs choice of music. And lots of the girls get really turned on by a guy who's well read...kidding ;-)
I have found great luck in using priceline dot de for locating very nice and simple "bed and breakfast" type small places up and down A-5, a few miles off the highway, if you have a rental car. For instance, I am staying near Schresisheim this week for 29 euro per night including a great breakfast. There are quite a few of these "mom and pop" places. If you have to drive anyway, what's a few more miles. Plus this has let me try out lots of the places near here (lorsch/night-and-day, Weinheim/labyrinth, Karlsruke/Flamingo).
Mark
Travelerb69
03-30-08, 01:55
I am gonna make my first FKK tour in April. Thanks to you mongers there is plenty of information here, I have read a lot. Anyway, this is the plan I have prepared and would like to hear from you FKK experts.
Since I will be on vacation will have lots of time, as a whole will spent 18 days in Germany, but gonna visit some friends at the end of the trip. For P4P I have about 13 days, which seems plenty of time to me.
-Will land at Hahn airport and spend 4 days in Hessen, going to the "classic" FKKS- Oase, World and Palace, probably repeating Oase. I am aware of the days of the week in which girls wear undeawear so as I can avoid it. Gonna stay at Etap hotel in Offenbach, I am quite cheap about hotels, will be there exclusively to sleep. In this part of the trip I will be with a friend of mine who lives in Germany, with an rented car and a GPS and do not think will have any problems to get to the places.
- The second part of the trip, however, is gonna be rather different, I will be on my own, again with a car and a GPS and will be based in Nordrhein Weatfalen. I plan on going to the following clubs, one per day:
- Bernd's
- Samya
- Golden Time
- Planet Happy Garden
- Park Sauna
- Yin Yang in Holand
- Living Room
and may be if time allows- FKK Heavensgate in Dorsten
and also 3 Party Treffs to be chosen from the following:
-PartytreffMettman
-Partytreff Pit Stop in Münster
- PT Traumland
- Club Tabulous
- PT Krefeld
- PT Selm
- PT Dorsten
By the way, I speak no German at all, just English, Spanish and a little French.
My doubts:
- I do not like moving between hotels so I thought about staying during all this second part of the trip at an Etap Hotel near Dusseldorf-West Willich. Do you think it is wise to be based there to go by car to all these places or should I move around? Any other suggestion on cheap hotels?
- Which 3 partytreffs do you recomend,even if not listed here, in terms of cost/benefit and distance from Dusseldorf/Willich? Which days of the week are better to go/all pussy you can eat?
- Any other advice on this trip?
Thanks,
Travelerb69.
Travelerb69
03-30-08, 02:09
While doing the research for the trip, I came to this site http://www.amigoautos.es/ which I already knew from Spain and it turned out to be cheaper than Sixt. They hire cars also from Sixt in Germany but at a lower rate, it is a Spanish site but books cars from various agencies in almost all Europe.
The one week rate for economic cars like a Polo(not Smarts)is 189 euros, including LDW insurance and the airport/train station fee . Through the sixt site it costs about 250 euros, hope this will be of help.
Travelerb69.
- The second part of the trip, however, is gonna be rather different, I will be on my own, again with a car and a GPS and will be based in Nordrhein Weatfalen. I plan on going to the following clubs, one per day:
- Bernd's
- Samya
- Golden Time
- Planet Happy Garden
- Park Sauna
- Yin Yang in Holand
- Living Room
and may be if time allows- FKK Heavensgate in Dorsten
and also 3 Party Treffs to be chosen from the following:
-PartytreffMettman
-Partytreff Pit Stop in Münster
- PT Traumland
- Club Tabulous
- PT Krefeld
- PT Selm
- PT Dorsten
By the way, I speak no German at all, just English, Spanish and a little French.
My doubts:
- I do not like moving between hotels so I thought about staying during all this second part of the trip at an Etap Hotel near Dusseldorf-West Willich. Do you think it is wise to be based there to go by car to all these places or should I move around? Any other suggestion on cheap hotels?
- Which 3 partytreffs do you recomend,even if not listed here, in terms of cost/benefit and distance from Dusseldorf/Willich? Which days of the week are better to go/all pussy you can eat?
- Any other advice on this trip?
Thanks,
Travelerb69.
In the second part of your trip, you may stay either in Etap Willich or in Etap Krefeld. But anyway, you should drive at least 40 km to Samya and some 70 km to Bernds and you should drive back the same distance to the hotel every night. It would be tiring for you after the sessions at the clubs.
The partytreffs are off topic but, the closest treffs in your lists are Krefeld, Club Tabulous (not a real PT) and Mettmann. Dorsten and Selm are at least 60 km away from your hotel, PitStop and Traumland are located north, in Munster which are 120 km away from Dusseldorf which makes it though going and return every day.
I hope it helps.
Stiff program though, 13 days in a row, including the PT's!
Happy mongering and good luck.
While doing the research for the trip, I came to this site http://www.amigoautos.es/ which I already knew from Spain and it turned out to be cheaper than Sixt. They hire cars also from Sixt in Germany but at a lower rate, it is a Spanish site but books cars from various agencies in almost all Europe.
The one week rate for economic cars like a Polo(not Smarts)is 189 euros, including LDW insurance and the airport/train station fee . Through the sixt site it costs about 250 euros, hope this will be of help.
Travelerb69.
I compared it with my favorite www.sixti.com on a week rental basis. Sixti is a way cheaper, (twice cheaper) and they use also cars from Sixt.
Is it just me that don’t like the opening line ‘Do you want some company? ’ It feels like the girl is trying to pre commit me to a session. More often than not I am not sure about a particular girl and my willingness to enrich her. If I say yes and later say ‘No, I don’t wanna go to a room’, I would her expect to put on an annoyed expression and say ‘But you said you wanted company!' That is why I normally say no to this particular question. On the other hand, as has been pointed out, there are a lot of farmers daughters in these clubs. If I wanted a more refined approach and conversation, maybe I should search for more high end P4P……
Travelerb69
03-30-08, 14:40
I compared it with my favorite www.sixti.com on a week rental basis. Sixti is a way cheaper, (twice cheaper) and they use also cars from Sixt.
Are you sure you made the comparison between the same car groups(Polo or equivalent, there are no Smarts in the amigosauto one).I have just checked for a Polo and got the following rates at amigosauto- 189 a week all, including LDW insurance and without kms limitation
X Sixt 197 euros a week without the LDW insurance, the one that covers the rented car itself (about 10 euros a day) and limited to 700 km.
Do not take me wrong, I have no interest here whatsoever, have not even settled the deal yet, so will be glad if we can get a better price at Sixt, we just got different quotes in the same sites, so one of us is doing something different, I think comparing different car groups.
Travelerb69.
Travelerb69
03-30-08, 14:47
In the second part of your trip, you may stay either in Etap Willich or in Etap Krefeld. But anyway, you should drive at least 40 km to Samya and some 70 km to Bernds and you should drive back the same distance to the hotel every night. It would be tiring for you after the sessions at the clubs.
The partytreffs are off topic but, the closest treffs in your lists are Krefeld, Club Tabulous (not a real PT) and Mettmann. Dorsten and Selm are at least 60 km away from your hotel, PitStop and Traumland are located north, in Munster which are 120 km away from Dusseldorf which makes it though going and return every day.
I hope it helps.
Stiff program though, 13 days in a row, including the PT's!
Happy mongering and good luck.
You are right, Munster is way too far,120 km is too much, had not noticed that. And 13 days in a row including Ptreffs is too much, even with some Vitamin help... I will probably get tired in between and skip one or more days for resting.
Thanks for the info, Travelerb69.
Are you sure you made the comparison between the same car groups(Polo or equivalent, there are no Smarts in the amigosauto one).I have just checked for a Polo and got the following rates at amigosauto- 189 a week all, including LDW insurance and without kms limitation
X Sixt 197 euros a week without the LDW insurance, the one that covers the rented car itself (about 10 euros a day) and limited to 700 km.
Do not take me wrong, I have no interest here whatsoever, have not even settled the deal yet, so will be glad if we can get a better price at Sixt, we just got different quotes in the same sites, so one of us is doing something different, I think comparing different car groups.
Travelerb69.
Sixti is the internet marketing channel of sixt. It is only available via internet reservation and the offers are only valid via internet, you should make your reservation at least 48 hours prior your arrival. Otherwise, the system doesn't allow you to make reservation for a last minute flight opportunity.
Yes, I did compared the same group of car, it was a 3 door Polo, they rent only two groups of cars; small (smart or equivalent such as Polo or Corsa, always the same price) and compact size (Focus or Astra). And you pick-up the cars from some Sixt offices. So you may rely the condition of the cars.
I double checked and compared it again, thi time for two weeks basis. amigoauto found a deal from Sixt for a Polo for 384 Euro (most probably with unlimited mileage): On the other hand sixti found (a Corsa or the same size car) for 255 Euro for the same amount of time. But the LDW is not included and there is a restriction of 1500 km mileage. I think the insurance and other supplements make the difference.
Is it just me that don’t like the opening line ‘Do you want some company? ’ It feels like the girl is trying to pre commit me to a session. ……This is rather a friendly opening IMHO! Better than "you want Ficki, Ficki?", which is Palace-speak for "Hi". Certainly to a German I'm sure it sounds OK. It gives you the chance to prevaricate, if you don't like the prospect, with a "not just at the moment", or "I've only just arrived and want to settle a bit" or whatever. An even better response is "I'm just waiting to hear whether the salary check has gone through". Or to say yes, if you do like the prospect. I guess they've got to say something. Worse is a leering "hast Du Lust?" to which I am always tempted to reply "of course I've got Lust, I've had it since I was fifteen, and your father wasn't even born then." I've never actually said it though....
Travelerb69
03-30-08, 20:57
Sixti is the internet marketing channel of sixt. It is only available via internet reservation and the offers are only valid via internet, you should make your reservation at least 48 hours prior your arrival. Otherwise, the system doesn't allow you to make reservation for a last minute flight opportunity.
Yes, I did compared the same group of car, it was a 3 door Polo, they rent only two groups of cars; small (smart or equivalent such as Polo or Corsa, always the same price) and compact size (Focus or Astra). And you pick-up the cars from some Sixt offices. So you may rely the condition of the cars.
I double checked and compared it again, this time for two weeks basis. amigoauto found a deal from Sixt for a Polo for 384 Euro (most probably with unlimited mileage): On the other hand sixti found (a Corsa or the same size car) for 255 Euro for the same amount of time. But the LDW is not included and there is a restriction of 1500 km mileage. I think the insurance and other supplements make the difference.
You are right, creature2. I was the one mistaken since I was comparing the rate of a mini car(Polo) in amigosauto, with the midi cars group from sixti. Since the smarts are not listed on the amigosauto site, I just assumed(wrongly) they were not included in their cheapest group. Comparing mini with mini groups sitxti is cheaper indeed. Anyway, this discussion has been extremely useful for me because I was about to rent one minicar through amigoauto, which I thought would never be a Smart, for the whole length of my stay, and might quite well get an Smart. I could not stand driving in german autobahns for 13, 14 days with that kind of car, no way. So I will rent a mini car from the Sixti site for 4 days, the time we are gonna be in Hesse going to the 3 FKKS and doing some sight seeing during the day around Frankfurt. Thus, if I get a Smart for that, no problem, but for the rest of the trip, if I have got a Polo or a Fiesta I keep the same car while renovating the rent,if not, book one of the superior group,a Focus or something, now to travel in NRW.
By the way, I have just read your great report on PTMettman, that part of Petra the grandmom blowjob was very funny, I hust hope she is not there when I go.
Travelerb69.
Travelerb69
03-30-08, 21:07
Since I am gonnna be in Germany for 18 days as a whole I thought that it might be cheaper to buy a wifi card for the whole period instead of buying cards for 24 hours. I mean the cards that come with codes for using their wifi spots for a certain time,not the USB card,just like for instance the telefonica wificards available in Spain. Yep, I have googled it but had no success.
Does anybody know about wifi cards, prices, websites, if possible that can be used in the Accor hotels wifi spots?
By the way, does one need to rent cars with winter tires in germany at this time of the year(april)?
Thanks, Travelerb69
This is rather a friendly opening IMHO! Better than "you want Ficki, Ficki?"OK Einstein, I guess it's all relative;) It is rather friendly, but I still don't like it. The first sentence is far too early to commit to anything.
I guess they've got to say something.I would prefer they started with Oooh I love your big muscles LOL. After some initial introduction then they might ask if they should stay or leave. Think real world. I don't think the success rate in a singles bar would be too high with the pitch Do you want some company.....
FoxySimone
03-31-08, 03:20
Just wanted to find out from the seasoned punters here as this will be my first time in fkk.
Does the kino time or couch time with the girl in a fkk count in the 30 mins/50 euros deal or is the 30 mins the time in the room only?
Thanks for all your help.
I am gonna make my first FKK tour in April. Thanks to you mongers there is plenty of information here, I have read a lot. Anyway, this is the plan I have prepared and would like to hear from you FKK experts.
Since I will be on vacation will have lots of time, as a whole will spent 18 days in Germany, but gonna visit some friends at the end of the trip. For P4P I have about 13 days, which seems plenty of time to me.
-Will land at Hahn airport and spend 4 days in Hessen, going to the "classic" FKKS- Oase, World and Palace, probably repeating Oase. I am aware of the days of the week in which girls wear undeawear so as I can avoid it. Gonna stay at Etap hotel in Offenbach, I am quite cheap about hotels, will be there exclusively to sleep. In this part of the trip I will be with a friend of mine who lives in Germany, with an rented car and a GPS and do not think will have any problems to get to the places.
- The second part of the trip, however, is gonna be rather different, I will be on my own, again with a car and a GPS and will be based in Nordrhein Weatfalen. I plan on going to the following clubs, one per day:
- Bernd's
- Samya
- Golden Time
- Planet Happy Garden
- Park Sauna
- Yin Yang in Holand
- Living Room
and may be if time allows- FKK Heavensgate in Dorsten
and also 3 Party Treffs to be chosen from the following:
-PartytreffMettman
-Partytreff Pit Stop in Münster
- PT Traumland
- Club Tabulous
- PT Krefeld
- PT Selm
- PT Dorsten
By the way, I speak no German at all, just English, Spanish and a little French.
My doubts:
- I do not like moving between hotels so I thought about staying during all this second part of the trip at an Etap Hotel near Dusseldorf-West Willich. Do you think it is wise to be based there to go by car to all these places or should I move around? Any other suggestion on cheap hotels?
- Which 3 partytreffs do you recomend,even if not listed here, in terms of cost/benefit and distance from Dusseldorf/Willich? Which days of the week are better to go/all pussy you can eat?
- Any other advice on this trip?
Thanks,
Travelerb69.
I don't think I could do thirteen days without wanting to take a break.
What makes this program particularly intensive is the PT component to it.
Most newbies do the Hessen 3 and stop there. I personally would drop Palace from the list. Come to think of it, you could drop World and not miss anything either. Or you can save World for the day you take a break during this segment of the trip.
I am not a fan of the Golden Triangle clubs and I'd think twice about Parksauna in Wildenrath. There haven't been good reports coming out of that club for a while. But that shouldn't stop you.
If you are in exploring mood, you can drop by Villa Vertigo and also Residenz in Lohmar-Durbusch. We need more content on these clubs.
On the way up to NRW with a car I'd not miss stopping at Finca Erotica in Dierdorf.
I'd spend at least two days at Dorsten checking out Heavensgate and also PT Dorsten. I'd just make sure I didn't visit PT Dorsten on a jour d'affluence, as the French say.
Part of the fun in visiting a PT is for the interactions with the women and the other guests. It almost has nothing to do with sex at all. And the sex is more like poking: you poke at one chick, then you poke at another. Don't take it too seriously. The women certainly don't take it seriously.
That having been said, that kind of fun can be had at PT Mettmann, PT Dorsten and PT Traumland. Full participation in the conversations, etc.. at these clubs requires some ability in the German language.
The best PT I've ever been to remains PT Dorsten but by this I am referring to PT Dorsten from three years ago when it was undiscovered. Those days are, as they say, schon laengst vorbei.
PTs, you will find, are like life itself, a compromise. None of them are perfect. Each has its positives and its negatives.
If I were you I'd base myself out of different hotels as I made my way north. Otherwise you will find yourself burning a lot of expensive gasoline back tracking to Duesseldorf simply because your hotel was there.
My hotel stops would be north of Frankfurt (to be near Oase and World), then in Dierdorf near Finca, then in the Golden Triangle somewhere to access those clubs. Then I'd spend a couple of days in Dorsten and then on to Muenster to do PT Traumland and Pitstop.
If I had time like this (and a car), I'd also make sure I didn't miss Zeus in Osnabrueck-Wallenhorst.
I'd also think about which sections of this trip wouldn't require a car. That would cut down on expenses.
"All the pussy you can eat"? I am very selective about who I go down on. I go for visual appeal when assessing a pussy. Some women have nice looking ones, others less so.
Anyway, this discussion has been extremely useful for me because I was about to rent one minicar through amigoauto, which I thought would never be a Smart, for the whole length of my stay, and might quite well get an Smart. I could not stand driving in german autobahns for 13, 14 days with that kind of car, no way. So I will rent a mini car from the Sixti site for 4 days, the time we are gonna be in Hesse going to the 3 FKKS and doing some sight seeing during the day around Frankfurt. Thus, if I get a Smart for that, no problem, but for the rest of the trip, if I have got a Polo or a Fiesta I keep the same car while renovating the rent,if not, book one of the superior group,a Focus or something, now to travel in NRW.
Travelerb69.
Basically, I should clarify that sixti doesn't have too much Smart cars. The pictures on the web page is for an image and even if you request a Smart, they most probably will propose you a Fiesta or Corsa in the same segment but which is a way bigger. They can't provide a Smart, simply because they don't have it in each and every station. And the funny thing is, the cars (excepts Smarts) are not branded as you see them on the web page, otherwise it would not be comfortable to enter the car park of a club with a car from sixti :)
By the way, I have just read your great report on PTMettman, that part of Petra the grandmom blowjob was very funny, I hust hope she is not there when I go.
Travelerb69.
Last weekend, I made my Easter vacation in NRW and I visited three clubs, a mix of Saunaclubs and partytreffs, and I visited again Mettmann. The club is always was full of wild and raw sex. But the granma wasn't there this time (hopefully). There was another old slim tall lady named Petra again which I didn't sessioned again. Before you hit that club, you may visit their webpage, they announce a weekly program and they announce the names of the women who will show up each day.
BTW, I will report my three days vacation today. I will start reporting with Samya.
Cheers
According to my knowledge such cards are not available in Germany in general terms, maybe in some areas.
WiFi access depends where you are, and you have to find out who is the provider. Than you need to get the access code from them.
Regarding rental cars: I am now changing my winter tires against summer tires now. To my opinion you just can rent a car. However there is no guaranty that there is no snow in Germany until even May, depending in which area you will be.
Hunter
Since I am gonnna be in Germany for 18 days as a whole I thought that it might be cheaper to buy a wifi card for the whole period instead of buying cards for 24 hours. I mean the cards that come with codes for using their wifi spots for a certain time,not the USB card,just like for instance the telefonica wificards available in Spain. Yep, I have googled it but had no success.
Does anybody know about wifi cards, prices, websites, if possible that can be used in the Accor hotels wifi spots?
By the way, does one need to rent cars with winter tires in germany at this time of the year(april)?
Thanks, Travelerb69
Vito Corleone
03-31-08, 10:31
Is it just me that don’t like the opening line ‘Do you want some company? ’ It feels like the girl is trying to pre commit me to a session. More often than not I am not sure about a particular girl and my willingness to enrich her. If I say yes and later say ‘No, I don’t wanna go to a room’, I would her expect to put on an annoyed expression and say ‘But you said you wanted company!' That is why I normally say no to this particular question. On the other hand, as has been pointed out, there are a lot of farmers daughters in these clubs. If I wanted a more refined approach and conversation, maybe I should search for more high end P4P……
When this 1 chick realized I did not speak German, she said "you want fuck?" How romantic!
Warsteiner
03-31-08, 19:08
When this 1 chick realized I did not speak German, she said "you want fuck?" How romantic!
You're in the wrong place for romance. The girls are only interested in earning money and the men in uncomplicated, unattached sex with young women that wouldn't normally look at them twice on the street.
Also a lot of the girls only know "puff English" as one put it to me once :)
Warsteiner
03-31-08, 19:11
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You're in the wrong place for romance.But we are in the right place living our fantasies.
wouldn't normally look at them twice on the street.Dream on... At me, and most other men I see in the clubs, they would not even look once:-)
Does the kino time or couch time with the girl in a fkk count in the 30 mins/50 euros deal or is the 30 mins the time in the room only?It depends...... on the girl and the club. If you want free Kino time your safest bet is probably Oase or Bernds. If you are on a small budget and determined to get every seconds worth, probably wise to declare in advance that you have only 50 euro left in wallet...
I use T-mobile when traveling. 29 euro's for unlimited month. and almost every tank und Rast stop on every highway is a tmobile hot spot, as is almost every mcdonalds.
works great.
Mark
Travelerb69
04-01-08, 04:48
[QUOTE=Creature2]Last weekend, I made my Easter vacation in NRW and I visited three clubs, a mix of Saunaclubs and partytreffs, and I visited again Mettmann. The club is always was full of wild and raw sex. But the granma wasn't there this time (hopefully).
Glad she isn't, I was having nightmares about having to fuck her compulsorily as part of a ritual initiation at the Ptreff...
Travelerb69
Travelerb69
04-01-08, 05:11
I don't think I could do thirteen days without wanting to take a break.
What makes this program particularly intensive is the PT component to it.
Most newbies do the Hessen 3 and stop there. I personally would drop Palace from the list. Come to think of it, you could drop World and not miss anything either. Or you can save World for the day you take a break during this segment of the trip.
I am not a fan of the Golden Triangle clubs and I'd think twice about Parksauna in Wildenrath. There haven't been good reports coming out of that club for a while. But that shouldn't stop you.
If you are in exploring mood, you can drop by Villa Vertigo and also Residenz in Lohmar-Durbusch. We need more content on these clubs.
On the way up to NRW with a car I'd not miss stopping at Finca Erotica in Dierdorf.
I'd spend at least two days at Dorsten checking out Heavensgate and also PT Dorsten. I'd just make sure I didn't visit PT Dorsten on a jour d'affluence, as the French say.
Part of the fun in visiting a PT is for the interactions with the women and the other guests. It almost has nothing to do with sex at all. And the sex is more like poking: you poke at one chick, then you poke at another. Don't take it too seriously. The women certainly don't take it seriously.
That having been said, that kind of fun can be had at PT Mettmann, PT Dorsten and PT Traumland. Full participation in the conversations, etc.. at these clubs requires some ability in the German language.
The best PT I've ever been to remains PT Dorsten but by this I am referring to PT Dorsten from three years ago when it was undiscovered. Those days are, as they say, schon laengst vorbei.
PTs, you will find, are like life itself, a compromise. None of them are perfect. Each has its positives and its negatives.
If I were you I'd base myself out of different hotels as I made my way north. Otherwise you will find yourself burning a lot of expensive gasoline back tracking to Duesseldorf simply because your hotel was there.
My hotel stops would be north of Frankfurt (to be near Oase and World), then in Dierdorf near Finca, then in the Golden Triangle somewhere to access those clubs. Then I'd spend a couple of days in Dorsten and then on to Muenster to do PT Traumland and Pitstop.
If I had time like this (and a car), I'd also make sure I didn't miss Zeus in Osnabrueck-Wallenhorst.
I'd also think about which sections of this trip wouldn't require a car. That would cut down on expenses.
"All the pussy you can eat"? I am very selective about who I go down on. I go for visual appeal when assessing a pussy. Some women have nice looking ones, others less so.
Jackyo, you are the man...
Some of these clubs you mentioned I did not even know about... I will have to do more research and try to fit them. Oh, what a tough task is to be a monger on vacation, not only we have to fuck but also to plan the trip, it is quite time consuming...
As for the hotels, I think you are right, probably move hotels mainly if going to Muenster.
Renting the car is the cheapest part of it, economical cars go about 25 a day, with the help of our fellow Creature 2,probably would spend more on trains and taxis.
I am aware of the sharks at Palace but for a newbie it is a must see, probably will not repeat, contrary to Oase.
However I do have high expectations about the Golden Triangle, mainly Golden Times, from the forum and from a friend's experience.. Line-up and the scheme of 50-25 euros each additional half-hour sound good...
Interacting at PTreffs is gonna be quite difficult, since I do not speak even one word in german. Let's see...
As for the all-pussy-you-can-eat part, I meant fucking, not licking, english is not my mother tongue. So please do not put words in my mouth, or, worse, my mouth on nasty things..., where are the fucking smiles?
About Heavensgate, is it really worthy? Is it close to Pt Dorsten?
Happy mongering to us all, Travelerb69
About Heavensgate, is it really worthy? Is it close to Pt Dorsten?
These two clubs are within spitting distance of each other. One is one side of the Landstrasse, the other one on the other. You can, if you want, walk from one to the other.
Heavensgate I put in the same class as Cocoon: both are nude clubs, both have the same economy pricing scheme, both have about the same quality and selection. They are medium sized clubs with a non-hectic, relaxed quality to them (in other words, the types of clubs I prefer in comparison to the large transactional clubs which are way too business-oriented for my taste).
You can spend two whole days in Dorsten and sample both the PT and the FKK club.
As I've said, PT Dorsten has seen better days. Its still good but when it started getting too crowded and the selection dropped from seven to eight women to four or five, it stopped being the destination PT it once was.
I see now what you mean about the "all-the-pussy-you-can-eat" part. You didn't mean it literally. :-)
[QUOTE=Creature2]Last weekend, I made my Easter vacation in NRW and I visited three clubs, a mix of Saunaclubs and partytreffs, and I visited again Mettmann. The club is always was full of wild and raw sex. But the granma wasn't there this time (hopefully).
Glad she isn't, I was having nightmares about having to fuck her compulsorily as part of a ritual initiation at the Ptreff...
Travelerb69
I checked their website, she will be there this weekend, be aware.
There are two Petra in the house, both are old but the grandma is older and fatter. If they announce at web page Petra und Petra, that means both Petra is there. If they says only Petra on web page, it means only the slim Petra will show up, not a big danger :)
[QUOTE=Travelerb69]
I checked their website, she will be there this weekend, be aware.
There are two Petra in the house, both are old but the grandma is older and fatter. If they announce at web page Petra und Petra, that means both Petra is there. If they says only Petra on web page, it means only the slim Petra will show up, not a big danger :)
I have met the thin, tall Petra. She must be in her mid-forties.
I have not met the older, fatter Petra.
The rest of the lineup consists of Sylvia, Moni, Iris, Sabine, Katja. And let's not forget Akascha.
Renting the car is the cheapest part of it, economical cars go about 25 a day, with the help of our fellow Creature 2,probably would spend more on trains and taxis.
Sometimes, car rental might be cheaper than public transportation, I agree, but the big pro for me is the economy on my time. I don't wanna waist my time waiting and connecting trains, instead, I prefer to consume my limited time with beauties.
Interacting at PTreffs is gonna be quite difficult, since I do not speak even one word in german. Let's see...
There will be no problem of communication, in fact you don't have to, maybe. My German sucks, only a few words but I did had no problem interacting. Especially, if you can spell "Dzien dobry" (the spelling should be "gin dobry", means good day) to Polish girls, that would be a good start of communication with them. The rest, you can manage by your own with English.
About Heavensgate, is it really worthy? Is it close to Pt Dorsten?
As Jackyo stated earlier, those two clubs can be done by foot and I hardly recommend you to do Heavens Gate, it will worth your bucks. There are at least 8 girls inside, most of them doable, happy hour entrance is 30 Euro and happy hour fuck is 25 Euro for 20 minutes. Food and non alcoholic drinks are free. Decent sauna and outdoor facility (not recommended because it is chilly nowadays). It is like heaven, isn't it? I was there last Sunday Easter time, I should leave early but I am regretful being left the club so early. If you happen to go there, try to nail the girl from Kazakistan, she is a beauty.
There are so many Generous and Helpful members on this forum who are constantly helping newbies and whose only request is to post a report. To those members and other newbies/lurkers I am paying back to this great group.
Before I Accidently stumbled onto this forum I had never heard about the FKK World. At first I really could not believe the reports of 10 to 50, 60, 60 beautiful women in the clubs. But after reading this forum for over a year I knew it had to be true.
I have never been to Europe and never had any desire to go until discovering FKKs. FYI, I believe I am older than the average poster, in my 60's. During my trip I used public transit and taxis. The directions written be others were perfect and I never felt lost. Believe it or not I went to 6 clubs in 8 days, not bad for an old bastard.
I was a little surprised to find that few Americans attended these clubs, which could be a good thing: )). For those of you who live near these clubs please try to appreciate how good you have it, LOL.
To anyone who has not been to a FKK, picture this, for the price of 50euros at all the clubs I attended you get all the free drinks, including beer you want. During meal times you get, at no additional cost a good to very good meal. At the party I attended at PHG for dinner a Whole roasted lamb, chicken, turkey, plus all types of side dishes. THen at 10pm they served 5 types of pizza! Finally there are all these wonderful, beautiful, sexy, women wanting to have sex with you. These clubs can be and I am sure to some more addicting than any drug.
Again to anyone who has never been to a club don't be scared off by regular members talking about Weak lineups. All you need is 1 or 2 sessions with a girl whose is prefect for your tastes to make your visit great. I think the regular attendies can and do get spoiled whith so many great clubs.
Like everyone has written when you enter these clubs take your time to pick and then your chances of good service will increase greatly. In my case I averaged almost 2 hours at each club before my first session. I did not have a bad or ripoff encounter the whole time.
I will report my experiences in each club in the club sections.
Thank You to all who have been so generous with your time and advice, Especially to WillemII, who I met at the PHG Easter Party. What a great guy who also introduced me to many of his Dutch friends.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
I use T-mobile when traveling. 29 euro's for unlimited month. and almost every tank und Rast stop on every highway is a tmobile hot spot, as is almost every mcdonalds.
works great.
MarkHi Mark,
Is the T-mobile €29 you mention a " pay as you go " card system or do you need to be a T-mobile customer?
Again to anyone who has never been to a club don't be scared off by regular members talking about Weak lineups. All you need is 1 or 2 sessions with a girl whose is prefect for your tastes to make your visit great. I think the regular attendies can and do get spoiled whith so many great clubs.
I am of the point of view that I only need to find one chick at each club I can get along with.
That is all I need.
I find large selections bewildering. Too many choices.
Its like having 200 channels on cable TV but finding nothing to watch. I find my clicking from channel to channel but never settling down on anyone.
I find large selections bewildering. Too many choices.
I had a great time last trip at Oase in part 'because' of the large selection. All these girls with big tits walking around...I was drawn to one who had small natural tits and a great body. Helped that I've gone with her before several times several years back. But having small tits in a club like Oase must hurt her business...but allowed me to spend more time with her since it was usually somewhat slow during my visit.
So sometimes having a big selection helps you out in reverse.
Travelerb69
04-04-08, 17:35
Hi everybody,
already in Hessen, been to Oase and Palace so far, as expected Oase was great, Palace sucks, all sharks. Still have to go to World today. Detailed reports will follow soon since I am too busy now (fucking, sorry)....
Seriously, everything went fine, easy to find and be around in the FKKS thanks to GPS and of course all the info from here.
Travelerb69
Member #3421
04-04-08, 22:06
Hi everybody,
already in Hessen, been to Oase and Palace so far, as expected Oase was great, Palace sucks, all sharks. Still have to go to World today. Detailed reports will follow soon since I am too busy now (fucking, sorry)....
Seriously, everything went fine, easy to find and be around in the FKKS thanks to GPS and of course all the info from here.
Travelerb69
As the reports of sharks pile up... rethinking my plans. Yes, I'm sure someone will comment on there being sharks everywhere, not just Palace. But it seems like the extra expense of going out to World/Oase instead of Palace might be worth it?
OBG
Frank Dallas
04-04-08, 23:43
Ok. The plan progresses for this FKK virgin. I will again compliment the posters on this board, you guys are fantastic and knowledgeable.
After careful map studying, hotel rate checking, mileage measuring, car rental evaluation, 15 different trips on google earth and pacing the floor, I have reserved a room at the Hotel Adler in Bad Homburg. At the time I am coming, it's cheaper than even a pre book now at the Mercure, includes breakfast, cheaper internet and isn't that far from the A5 to World or Oases. Plus if I get bored with babes, I can take in some historical like scenery and maybe find some good untique food to eat. Anybody know a good place? Anybody stayed at the Adler?
I can't check in before 1500 uhr so I plan to head right to Oase at opening time and hang out there, then go get into my room, recharge and and go back to Oase and run myself ragged again.
Bathrobes. Do I really have to bring my own at Oase? I need pockets! I'm lost without pockets!
Vito Corleone
04-06-08, 00:23
Bathrobes. Do I really have to bring my own at Oase? I need pockets! I'm lost without pockets!
You need to bring your own robe to Oase.
Vito Corleone
04-06-08, 00:28
As the reports of sharks pile up... rethinking my plans. Yes, I'm sure someone will comment on there being sharks everywhere, not just Palace. But it seems like the extra expense of going out to World/Oase instead of Palace might be worth it?
OBG
Sharks or no sharks, I would visit all 3 clubs. I have my favorites @ all 3. I guess it depends on how many days of playtime you have. If you only have 1 day, then I would visit World.
As the reports of sharks pile up... rethinking my plans. Yes, I'm sure someone will comment on there being sharks everywhere, not just Palace. But it seems like the extra expense of going out to World/Oase instead of Palace might be worth it?
OBG
I had a great time at the Palace when I made my virgin trip to the Frankfurt area back in February. The girls are truly gorgeous, it is convenient from downtown Frankfurt, the facilities are great (although not as great as Oase and World), and the food adequate. Just know that the prices are 50 Euros for sex, including BBBJ, for 30 minutes. Anything other than that is negotiable.
You will be asked by various girls if you want to have sex with them. If you have any qualms about them, just say maybe later, or other crap that women say to men at pick up bars. Remember, gender roles are reversed here.
Try it once, if you don't like it, you have the two other clubs to go to. I will be at the Palace on April 17th, right after I touched down at FRA and unpacked my bags at my hotel. Will try to do 3 girls that night, minimum.
Hessen Bub
04-06-08, 08:36
There are robes available at Oase.
And I find the facilities at Palace better than at World or Oase.
HB
Hotel Adler, Bad Homburg:
Been there. Satisfactory, but will probably not return because of better alternatives in Burgholzhausen and Friedrichsdorf. But if pricing is your priority: Yes, it is simple, clean and safe. A bit rundown (bathroom). Not exactly downtown Bad Homburg. Parking a bit difficult. Turkish owners I think. Cold rooms in winter.
My humble advice to a newbie on the Big Three in Hessen on where and when to visit:
- All three are worth a visit. I would visit them all to see for myself what the fuss is all about. All three clubs have their own unique atmosphere that should be experienced.
- If time is limited I would recommend Oase as my no. 1 (selection of girls, female/male ratio, chance of getting GFE, the buzz and erotic atmosphere, great outdoors).
- I would avoid World and Palace on Sundays because of the risk of substandard line-ups.
- On a warm summer day I would give Oase and World priority because of the wonderful outdoors.
- I would avoid Palace on Messe nights (Messe= risk of sharks and/or stressed girls), but I must admit the Messe also attracts some extra beauties. To each own (Is your goal to have sex with Miss Perfect Ten or GFE sex?).
- Go in daytime for the relaxed atmosphere. Go in the evening for the best selection of girls and buzz. Go between 2pm and 8pm to visit both (the change in atmosphere is between 3pm and 6pm when the evening shift arrives).
- Yes, there are sharks everywhere, and probably more at Palace than anywhere else (after three years of mongering in Hessen I still find it more difficult to make the right choices there). But as a newbie you should not let that bring you down. Remember this: Even at Palace the good experiences by far outnumber the bad ones. Read the good advices on the forum on how to pick a girl. But most of all: Be friendly, smile and look for a good time when seeing the girls.
At the end of the day, trusting your own instincts and chemistry with a girl is the most important thing.
Frank Dallas
04-06-08, 18:28
What are the alternatives (price) to the Adler in that area.
Basketcase
04-06-08, 19:42
Hotel Adler, Bad Homburg:
Been there. Satisfactory, but will probably not return because of better alternatives in Burgholzhausen and Friedrichsdorf. But if pricing is your priority: Yes, it is simple, clean and safe. A bit rundown (bathroom). Not exactly downtown Bad Homburg. Parking a bit difficult. Turkish owners I think. Cold rooms in winter.
My humble advice to a newbie on the Big Three in Hessen on where and when to visit:
- All three are worth a visit. I would visit them all to see for myself what the fuss is all about. All three clubs have their own unique atmosphere that should be experienced.
- If time is limited I would recommend Oase as my no. 1 (selection of girls, female/male ratio, chance of getting GFE, the buzz and erotic atmosphere, great outdoors).
- I would avoid World and Palace on Sundays because of the risk of substandard line-ups.
- On a warm summer day I would give Oase and World priority because of the wonderful outdoors.
- I would avoid Palace on Messe nights (Messe= risk of sharks and/or stressed girls), but I must admit the Messe also attracts some extra beauties. To each own (Is your goal to have sex with Miss Perfect Ten or GFE sex?).
- Go in daytime for the relaxed atmosphere. Go in the evening for the best selection of girls and buzz. Go between 2pm and 8pm to visit both (the change in atmosphere is between 3pm and 6pm when the evening shift arrives).
- Yes, there are sharks everywhere, and probably more at Palace than anywhere else (after three years of mongering in Hessen I still find it more difficult to make the right choices there). But as a newbie you should not let that bring you down. Remember this: Even at Palace the good experiences by far outnumber the bad ones. Read the good advices on the forum on how to pick a girl. But most of all: Be friendly, smile and look for a good time when seeing the girls.
At the end of the day, trusting your own instincts and chemistry with a girl is the most important thing.Thank you for the considered advice for newbies like me Shark16. It is interesting to note that after my first trip at Easter that your advice was what I ended up doing independently using the online research materials here. Nice.
Good work,
Londonbasketcase
What are the alternatives (price) to the Adler in that area.
I stay at this hotel when in Bad Homburg.
Its a older, small hotel off of the Fussgaengerzone in the center of town.
There are a few parking spots right in front of the hotel, otherwise you will need to find street parking and move it at a certain hour in the AM.
Now that I am home and had time to think about my trip to the FKK world it all seems like a dream. For me I think the FKK concept is PERFECT. All the clubs were clean, safe, with great customer service. No bargaining or concerns about safety like in almost all the other famous mongering places.
Now when it comes to the women we all know or should, that beauty always depends on the individual. Pefect ex, when I arrived at the Living Room a lady arrived and was changing the same time as I. In my opinion for my taste I would not have ever picked her no matter how horny. She was fairly young with spikey hair, white pastey skin, a little over weight, and not toned at all. She was Busy all the time I was there: ))), LOL.
The thing that surprised me about the women was when I say I say many, many beautiful women I don't mean whorish looking with lots of makeup, hardened pros, but still with good looks. What I mean is American college girl beautiful. Fresh, young, with great toned bodies and all over tans. Now some people feel the need to use numbers to rate the looks of the girls which I find to be amusing. I don't know how to express myself but I think this is demeaning to the girls and still wonder what exactly does a 6 girl look like or a 7 or an 8? This is why I wrote my example above.
The great number of wonderful beautiful girls I saw at GT and PHG was mind blowing. Every thing any health horny male could want. Blond, dark hair, tall, short, big small breast and on and on. No fiction writer could makeup a more exotic place than a packed FKK club.
The other thing that surprised me was the quality of the food served at the clubs. Nothing fancy, but hot, on time and of good quality. Plus of course in every club I attended free drinks and beer.
The reason I went to the NWR area over the Fra big 3 was the number of clubs and the significant lower cost. Plus the clubs I went to seemed to have a Friendlier atmosphere than has been portayed at the Big 3.
Finally a hint to anyone who has not been to a club. I don't know if I was extremely lucky or just good at selecting girls. My main targets were girls in the early 20s who were sweet and did not seem like harden pros. I did ask every girl before a session if she spoke english and if she did the things I liked. I like large breast but my main concern was good service like my new Dutch friends say.
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Frank Dallas
04-08-08, 06:11
I stay at this hotel when in Bad Homburg.
Its a older, small hotel off of the Fussgaengerzone in the center of town.
There are a few parking spots right in front of the hotel, otherwise you will need to find street parking and move it at a certain hour in the AM.Thats enough of a reccomendation for me :)
Cold rooms in winter.
fyi for those visiting in winter...turn up the heat before you go to the club...or remember to turn it up before retiring after the club. The heat settings at these small hotels isn't like the automatic settings at a larger hotel chain. You have to turn it up or deal with the chilled room in other ways.
fyi for those visiting in winter...turn up the heat before you go to the club...or remember to turn it up before retiring after the club. The heat settings at these small hotels isn't like the automatic settings at a larger hotel chain. You have to turn it up or deal with the chilled room in other ways.
Like having a female bed warmer?
Frank Dallas
04-09-08, 04:19
I"m actually thinking of splitting my stay between Bad Homburg (Oases) and Geissen (World)...hotel recomendations in Geissen anyone?
You have to turn it up or deal with the chilled room in other ways.
Cold to me is -40F...all the rest is balmy :)...Besides, I'll be there in June and hopefully, my fluid levels will be so low after a session I won't be able to freeze.
Frank Dallas:
Best Western Hotel Steinsgarten is a full service hotel in the center of Giessen but is still convenient to World. The downside is it is a bit more expensive, which may not be worth it if you are staying at the hotel only a few hours per day.
Hooknose
Frank Dallas
04-10-08, 21:10
Thanks for the info. One o the reasons I chose Adler was a cost analysis since I am just basically using it for luggage storage and 4 hours or so of sleep :)
So experienced guys, a few more questions..asnd sorry if it seems stupid, but the only real stupid questions are the unasked ones.
1. Where do you keep your toothbrush and cologne in the Hessen Big Three..locker room locker or valuables locker?
2. How long, time wise in a PRACTICAL sense, does it take to drive from the Frankfurt Airport to Bad Homburg exit of A5 and the Giessen Exit of A5. I get different numbers from Google earth vis a vis Yahoo, etc.
3. Any guys with a bit of...um....girth driven one of those smart cars (I am thinking of using Sixt.de)
Still looking for food reccomendations in Bad Homburg and Geissen too.
Hey guys,
If you are trying to convince yourself that it is a good reason to go there, check out http://www.outletcity-metzingen.com/
It's very famous for its low prices (a hugo boss suit at 250 euros instead of 1500+...) and all the brands around it.
Now there's another good news, they have agreements with Hertz and you can rent a car for 22 euros a day instead of 79! and it goes along if you take multiple days.
Unfortunately the mileage is only 150 kilometers, so no way you can get to Francfort without paying another 60 euros.
But for the rest, or with your own car, the trip is worthy just in savings.
So experienced guys, a few more questions..asnd sorry if it seems stupid, but the only real stupid questions are the unasked ones.
1. Where do you keep your toothbrush and cologne in the Hessen Big Three..locker room locker or valuables locker?
2. How long, time wise in a PRACTICAL sense, does it take to drive from the Frankfurt Airport to Bad Homburg exit of A5 and the Giessen Exit of A5. I get different numbers from Google earth vis a vis Yahoo, etc.
3. Any guys with a bit of...um....girth driven one of those smart cars (I am thinking of using Sixt.de)
Still looking for food reccomendations in Bad Homburg and Geissen too.
1: Locker room locker
2: 10 minutes to Bad Homburg exit. 25-30 minutes to Giessen exit if there is no traffic congestion.
3: You mean sixti.de. Chances are you will actually get a small regular car (like VW Polo) since they are charing the fleet with Sixt. If you are worried about size, take the larger model at Sixti...it is only few euros more.
2: 10 minutes to Bad Homburg exit. 25-30 minutes to Giessen exit if there is no traffic congestion.Don't want to be fuzzy.
But I'd rather plan 40 minutes to Giessen (exit Fernwald and then annother 7-8 minutes to Pohlheim/Garbenteich). It's around 65 km to the exit and about 9 or 10km to World in Pohlheim.
Well, that's just me. I don't have a fast car.
Cheers,
Globus
Don't want to be fuzzy.
But I'd rather plan 40 minutes to Giessen (exit Fernwald and then annother 7-8 minutes to Pohlheim/Garbenteich). It's around 65 km to the exit and about 9 or 10km to World in Pohlheim.
Well, that's just me. I don't have a fast car.
Cheers,
Globus
Don't wanna be fuzzy either, but Frank is asking about the time to the Giessen exit (probably since he is booked at hotel there) which is the A45 exit (since that is the fastest way to Giessen), but not the "World" exit which would be the Fernwald exit which is about 5-7 minutes further up A5.
Frank Dallas
04-12-08, 04:35
My bad I should have specified the World exit, but my bad, I wasnt clear.
In any event sounds like the Adler hotel to Oase is just around the corner, and to world from the hotel is 20 minutes. Thats a baby run, I once drove Toronto Ontario to Alaska in 6 days in the winter.
Don't wanna be fuzzy either, but Frank is asking about the time to the Giessen exit (probably since he is booked at hotel there) which is the A45 exit (since that is the fastest way to Giessen), but not the "World" exit which would be the Fernwald exit which is about 5-7 minutes further up A5.Yes, sorry Henio, you're totally right. I got that wrong.
At least, Frank has probably got an idea now of distances an times in a practical sense.
Cheers,
Globus
Still looking for food reccomendations in Bad Homburg and Geissen too.
"E" before "i" is pronounced very differently from "i" before "e".
Frank Dallas
04-12-08, 18:58
"E" before "i" is pronounced very differently from "i" before "e".Jackyo,
I speak German like a snarling chimpanzee anyway :). My greatgrandma and grandma were nice to me in Yiddish, disciplined me in German, and talked behind my back in Russian.
Plus since I type with two fingers, it's going to be Geissen one day and Giessen the next.
Jackyo,
I speak German like a snarling chimpanzee anyway :). My greatgrandma and grandma were nice to me in Yiddish, disciplined me in German, and talked behind my back in Russian.
Plus since I type with two fingers, it's going to be Geissen one day and Giessen the next.
.. that if one speaks German, one can understand some spoken Yiddish. It was a revelation to me.
Reminds me of the scene in the movie "Young Frankenstein" when Gene Wilder insists that he should be referred to as "Dr. Frankenst-eeeee-n" and not as "Dr. Frankenst-aye-n".
Swiss Monger
04-14-08, 07:09
All,
Who can find the name / report of a German Brazilian girl from Cologne, but who also works in Frankfurt clubs? Perfect German, no Brazilian and fair skin for South American mix.
Thank you.
Frank Dallas
04-14-08, 08:05
As a rookie, I am sure that I will walk into an FKK and immediately go into pussy catatonia. Nevertheless, when I come too I would like to be able to gently say no to an aggressive lady until I can find the one I like. (which may take all of 5 minutes).
So, I thought perhaps some gentle brushoffs would be good.
Anyone know how to say these in Deutsche.
You are very beautiful, but I just arrived, perhaps we can meet later?
No thank you, not right now, I just arrived.
No thank you, maybe later, you are so beautiful I would drop dead if I was alone with you and I can't die tonight.
I'm sorry, I am unable to find my penis right now, please check later.
You are very beautiful, but I just arrived, perhaps we can meet later?Du bist ja sehr schön, aber ich bin gerade angekommen, vielleicht spä***.
No thank you, not right now, I just arrived.Nein Danke, nicht gerade aber vielleicht spä***.
No thank you, maybe later, you are so beautiful I would drop dead if I was alone with you and I can't die tonight.Nein Danke ......
I'm sorry, I am unable to find my penis right now, please check later.[/quote]Verzeihung, aber ich kann mein Schwanz nicht finden, bitte komme spä*** mal wieder vorbei.
Mmmmmm
Hessen Bub
04-14-08, 13:55
You are very beautiful, but I just arrived, perhaps we can meet later?
Du bist sehr hübsch (schön), vielleicht sehen wir uns spä*** noch?
No thank you, not right now, I just arrived.
Nein danke, jetzt nicht, ich bin gerade erst angekommen.
No thank you, maybe later, you are so beautiful I would drop dead if I was alone with you and I can't die tonight.
Nein danke, vielleicht spä***. Du bist so schön, wäre ich alleine mit Dir würde ich sofort tot umfallen und ich darf heute nicht sterben.
I'm sorry, I am unable to find my penis right now, please check later.
Es tut mir leid, ich kann meinen Schwanz gerade nicht finden, frag doch spä*** noch mal nach.
HB
Since my return from the FKK world I have longed on to the Dutch and German forums, but could use some help.
So far I have used Babel and Google translation services. Here is my problem. When I try to use the section where Babel lets you enter the whole website for translation, after I long in, all I get is an Error message. In other words both Google and Babel will let me enter and translate a single report, but when I try to get the whole site, like the Dutch site, translated I get an error message. Of course Babel and Google will translate the whole site BEFORE I log in but then you can't read the forums until you log in.
Any translation help will be greatly appreciated.
Frank Dallas
04-15-08, 18:36
You guys are great.
Do the girls generally have a sense of humour?
Since my return from the FKK world I have longed on to the Dutch and German forums, but could use some help.
So far I have used Babel and Google translation services. Here is my problem. When I try to use the section where Babel lets you enter the whole website for translation, after I long in, all I get is an Error message. In other words both Google and Babel will let me enter and translate a single report, but when I try to get the whole site, like the Dutch site, translated I get an error message. Of course Babel and Google will translate the whole site BEFORE I log in but then you can't read the forums until you log in.
Any translation help will be greatly appreciated.Maybe I have to change something that Babel is working. I will look for that
PS It is spä*** = spaeter or later.
Why is spä*** resulting in three stars?
It's not like I said fuck or ***** or **** ... (ha, ha, ha, I can say "fuck your ****", but it has to be now, b_i_tch, not spä***, because that result in a triple star punishment ...)
OK, I'm over it; see you spä*** :D
euro
Why is spä*** resulting in three stars?
It's not like I said fuck or ***** or **** ... (ha, ha, ha, I can say "fuck your ****", but it has to be now, b_i_tch, not spä***, because that result in a triple star punishment ...)
OK, I'm over it; see you spä*** :D
euroPossibly because those three letters, when capitalized, form the acronym of another, competing, website?
Kingwenslas
04-17-08, 17:11
Hi Guys
Please help me out, I know really I ought to read everything first but time is of the essence. In a few days time a friend of mine is flying into Schiphol for a couple of days and has asked me to advise him on which Fkk to visit, and more importantly, how to get there using public transport, or if not, renting a car. Since I normally drive to Fkks in my own car, I don’t normally pay much attention to posts about public transport, hence I need some help.
I thought perhaps that Living Room at Kaarst would be the one to visit, since it is in Dusseldorf and it should be easy to take a train there, and then a taxi.
Any comments would be gratefully received.
Kingwenslas
Xavier Yves
04-17-08, 19:35
there are at least four famous FKK in Dusseldorf region. GT, PHG, living room and Villa Vertigo.
Which one would you recommend most for the first visit?
Hi Guys
Please help me out, I know really I ought to read everything first but time is of the essence. In a few days time a friend of mine is flying into Schiphol for a couple of days and has asked me to advise him on which Fkk to visit, and more importantly, how to get there using public transport, or if not, renting a car. Since I normally drive to Fkks in my own car, I don’t normally pay much attention to posts about public transport, hence I need some help.
I thought perhaps that Living Room at Kaarst would be the one to visit, since it is in Dusseldorf and it should be easy to take a train there, and then a taxi.
Any comments would be gratefully received.
Kingwenslas
If your friend gets to Duesseldorf or to Koeln, there are a host of clubs which are all reachable via public transport.
Living Room is one. No need to cab this. You just take the S-bahn to the Ikea in Kaarst.
Then there are Blue Note, La Bedo and Dolce Vita right in Duesseldorf and Samya in Koeln.
The Golden Triangle is less accessible but still doable.
You guys are great.
Do the girls generally have a sense of humour?
... depends on your chemistry with her.
I find some girls are all business. Others are cool and you find that you are instantly on the same wavelength.
I don't go with women who don't smile at me when I smile at them. Its a pretty easy screening process.
As a rookie, I am sure that I will walk into an FKK and immediately go into pussy catatonia. Nevertheless, when I come too I would like to be able to gently say no to an aggressive lady until I can find the one I like. (which may take all of 5 minutes).
So, I thought perhaps some gentle brushoffs would be good.
Anyone know how to say these in Deutsche.
You are very beautiful, but I just arrived, perhaps we can meet later?
No thank you, not right now, I just arrived.
No thank you, maybe later, you are so beautiful I would drop dead if I was alone with you and I can't die tonight.
I'm sorry, I am unable to find my penis right now, please check later.
.. Komm, Schatz, wir gehen ins Zimmer?
Some women like guys who are in total control. :)
I was at Babylon once and said to a chick: Gaebe es Zeit, damit wir uns besser kennenlernen koennten?
She was quite amused. One of the other guests said something to the effect that I was very well brought up.
Treat the women well and with respect and it pays off a hundred fold.
What to do in this scenario? Say you are acquainted with a girl in normal life. You have flirted a bit with her, but not much more. On an FKK visit you see her naked. What do you do?
1. Great, what an opportunnity! Now I can take her off my to do list.
2. I'd rather fuck her in normal life, so I don't do her in this setting. But it's great that now I know that she is not uptight about sex and will certainly try to seduce her later. I choose to
2a. Stay and not take her, just chat.
2b. Sneak out before she sees me.
Warsteiner
04-20-08, 19:42
What to do in this scenario? Say you are acquainted with a girl in normal life. You have flirted a bit with her, but not much more. On an FKK visit you see her naked. What do you do?
1. Great, what an opportunnity! Now I can take her off my to do list.
2. I'd rather fuck her in normal life, so I don't do her in this setting. But it's great that now I know that she is not uptight about sex and will certainly try to seduce her later. I choose to
2a. Stay and not take her, just chat.
2b. Sneak out before she sees me.
I'd go for 2 but wouldn't bother trying to seduce her later and 2a depending upon her reaction to see me.
I was at GT last year when a girl spotted someone she knew. He was a young guy so may have been her boyfriend, she sent a friend over to check on his name. She must have known him as she then ran off to get her clothes and exited the club very quickly. I am surprised this doesn't happen more often in the NRW area with the amount of clubs in a small area although I guess most of the women work in clubs that are well away from their home towns.
Basketcase
04-20-08, 20:16
What to do in this scenario? Say you are acquainted with a girl in normal life. You have flirted a bit with her, but not much more. On an FKK visit you see her naked. What do you do?
1. Great, what an opportunnity! Now I can take her off my to do list.
2. I'd rather fuck her in normal life, so I don't do her in this setting. But it's great that now I know that she is not uptight about sex and will certainly try to seduce her later. I choose to
2a. Stay and not take her, just chat.
2b. Sneak out before she sees me.I like to think I have the balls to go for option 1 and have a session with her (if she was willing).
The reality is that I would chicken out and go for 2b sneaking out before she sees me. I have many friends in my normal life who I am open about doing this hobby as they do so as well. My friends have girls that know that they monger but I do not have any girls that know or suspect that I monger (that I know of). I think I would like to keep it that way. What goes on tour stays on tour is the unwritten motto. Its our form of the mafia's code of omerta.
I will carefully note that this girl from my normal life works as a FKK girl but may never ever broach the knowledge with her as its her private life and if she trusted me enough then she would tell me. I suspect if she knew I mongered she may have even asked me about the best places to work.
I think I would need to be confident of our relationship to be ballsy enough to go for option 2a and stay and chat to her. some would think that the normal option to take in this situation and treat it like an impromptu date. Remember she is on work time and if she needs to go and make money you should not be detaining her.
Warm regards
Londonbasketcase
Hi,
I will be in Rostock for a day, is there any FKK or RLD as I can not find any report from Rostock. As it is a port city, there must be some action?
Thanks
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=561086&in_page_id=1811
Ekliges Lauern
04-22-08, 02:56
What to do in this scenario? Say you are acquainted with a girl in normal life. You have flirted a bit with her, but not much more. On an FKK visit you see her naked. What do you do?
1. Great, what an opportunnity! Now I can take her off my to do list.
2. I'd rather fuck her in normal life, so I don't do her in this setting. But it's great that now I know that she is not uptight about sex and will certainly try to seduce her later. I choose to
2a. Stay and not take her, just chat.
2b. Sneak out before she sees me.
Easy choice, option 1. I'd also go for the Kino BJ as a follow up if she's game.
After seeing a girl in an FKK, your not likely to bed her as a civilian. So for only 50 Euro, its a no brainer.
BTW, is there a German equivalent to the Police's Roxanne or the J. Giels Band's Centerfold?
Vito Corleone
04-22-08, 08:49
What to do in this scenario? Say you are acquainted with a girl in normal life. You have flirted a bit with her, but not much more. On an FKK visit you see her naked. What do you do?
1. Great, what an opportunnity! Now I can take her off my to do list.
2. I'd rather fuck her in normal life, so I don't do her in this setting. But it's great that now I know that she is not uptight about sex and will certainly try to seduce her later. I choose to
2a. Stay and not take her, just chat.
2b. Sneak out before she sees me.
#1 without hesitation! Depending on her skill level, I would try seducing her in & outside the club.
Hi Guys,
I'm Mike from Sweden and are going to Düsseldorf for business on Thursday.
I've never been to a FKK but got very tempted when reading on this excellent forum. My idea was to stay in Düsseldorf and relax in a FKK nearby on Saturday evening, perhaps Living Room which seems to be a good start for a beginner.
But unfortunately my plans where wreaked since hotels where fully booked due to a trade show taking place this and next week. So I ended up staying in Oberhausen.
Can anyone advise me which FKK would be recommended for a newbie staying in Oberhausen without car, i.e accessible with public transport or not to far for taxi? I'm not asking for exact details, just point me in the right direction.
And also if the trade show will have negative impact on FKK's near Düsseldorf and which should be avoided due to that?
Looking forward to your replies.
Mike
BTW, is there a German equivalent to the Police's Roxanne or the J. Giels Band's Centerfold?
Perhaps "Die da" from Die fantastischen Vier.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Basketcase
04-22-08, 21:08
Hi Guys,
I'm Mike from Sweden and are going to Düsseldorf for business on Thursday.
I've never been to a FKK but got very tempted when reading on this excellent forum. My idea was to stay in Düsseldorf and relax in a FKK nearby on Saturday evening, perhaps Living Room which seems to be a good start for a beginner.
But unfortunately my plans where wreaked since hotels where fully booked due to a trade show taking place this and next week. So I ended up staying in Oberhausen.Mike,
I am in the Dusseldorf area this coming Thursday!!!
I understand your situation. I have been there. I am in Nordrhein Westfalen for Saunaclub visits to Ying Yang (in NL of course), Goldentime, Living Room, Villa Vertigo and Planet Happy Garden for the period 24 to 28 April 2008. I am meant to be meeting some members of another forum there (yay, I will not be Nigel no mates).
I spent ages trying to find a room that was less than €99 per night. Many were more like €250 to €300 a night around Dusseldorf. There is a messe on for the International packaging industry. Everything was booked out. I ended up booking a room 7 km out of Roermond in NL for €39 per night including breakfast in a large country house in a forest by a stream. I am having to drive everywhere using GPS.
I do not know if these trade fair attendees are high rollers but my assumption is that packaging is big business as it forms such an integral part of a consumer society. If there is business to be done then there will be adult entertainment to go along with it.
I need to go look up where Oberhausen is.
Warm regards
Londonbasketcase
Ekliges Lauern
04-23-08, 00:06
Hi Guys,
I'm Mike from Sweden and are going to Düsseldorf for business on Thursday.
I've never been to a FKK but got very tempted when reading on this excellent forum. My idea was to stay in Düsseldorf and relax in a FKK nearby on Saturday evening, perhaps Living Room which seems to be a good start for a beginner.
But unfortunately my plans where wreaked since hotels where fully booked due to a trade show taking place this and next week. So I ended up staying in Oberhausen.
Can anyone advise me which FKK would be recommended for a newbie staying in Oberhausen without car, i.e accessible with public transport or not to far for taxi? I'm not asking for exact details, just point me in the right direction.
And also if the trade show will have negative impact on FKK's near Düsseldorf and which should be avoided due to that?
Looking forward to your replies.
Mike
Freude 39 in Bochum is accessable via public transportation. Take the S2 or the RE3 train to Wanne-Eickel HBF and change to Strassenbahn 306 to Breslauer Strasse or Bodelschwinghplatz and it is a ca. 200m walk. That said, I have only been to F39 on weekdays during daytime. There have been favorable weekend reports but I recommend you go during the day as although they stay open late, many of the ladies clear out at ca. 19:00.
Hi Guys,
I'm Mike from Sweden and are going to Düsseldorf for business on Thursday.
I've never been to a FKK but got very tempted when reading on this excellent forum. My idea was to stay in Düsseldorf and relax in a FKK nearby on Saturday evening, perhaps Living Room which seems to be a good start for a beginner.
But unfortunately my plans where wreaked since hotels where fully booked due to a trade show taking place this and next week. So I ended up staying in Oberhausen.
Can anyone advise me which FKK would be recommended for a newbie staying in Oberhausen without car, i.e accessible with public transport or not to far for taxi? I'm not asking for exact details, just point me in the right direction.
And also if the trade show will have negative impact on FKK's near Düsseldorf and which should be avoided due to that?
Looking forward to your replies.
Mike
... and very accessible with the S-bahn so you should be able to get into Duesseldorf very easily and visit the clubs there without any problems.
There is a PT in Oberhausen I've read about but not been to.
Going from West to East from Duisburg to Dortmund there is a host of former Red Carpet clubs which are now under new ownership: Duisburg, Penelope in Essen, the Grimbergsauna in Recklinghausen, F39 in Bochum and PT Airport in Dortmund, etc... These were my former hunting grounds before clubs to the south of them sprouted like mushrooms and offered better selections than the typical Hobbyhuren who work at these clubs.
Mind you there were occasionally diamonds in the rough to be discovered at these clubs too.
Oberhausen is also where you will find CentrO, a large American style shopping center. There aren't many of these in Europe and it is a destination for shoppers from all over including Holland and Belgium.
Perhaps "Die da" from Die fantastischen Vier.
Cheers,
Dedalus
... die da am Eingang steht?
I understand your situation. I have been there. I am in Nordrhein Westfalen for Saunaclub visits to Ying Yang (in NL of course), Goldentime, Living Room, Villa Vertigo and Planet Happy Garden for the period 24 to 28 April 2008. I am meant to be meeting some members of another forum there (yay, I will not be Nigel no mates).
We meet in one of these places at Saturday, who knows. Anyway, have a great time!
Mike
Freude 39 in Bochum is accessable via public transportation. Take the S2 or the RE3 train to Wanne-Eickel HBF and change to Strassenbahn 306 to Breslauer Strasse or Bodelschwinghplatz and it is a ca. 200m walk. That said, I have only been to F39 on weekdays during daytime. There have been favorable weekend reports but I recommend you go during the day as although they stay open late, many of the ladies clear out at ca. 19:00.Thanks for your detailed information Radler! Unfortunately I'm working during daytime, only have Saturday evening free, so F39 will be saved for another trip.
Mike
... and very accessible with the S-bahn so you should be able to get into Duesseldorf very easily and visit the clubs there without any problems.
There is a PT in Oberhausen I've read about but not been to.
Going from West to East from Duisburg to Dortmund there is a host of former Red Carpet clubs which are now under new ownership: Duisburg, Penelope in Essen, the Grimbergsauna in Recklinghausen, F39 in Bochum and PT Airport in Dortmund, etc... These were my former hunting grounds before clubs to the south of them sprouted like mushrooms and offered better selections than the typical Hobbyhuren who work at these clubs.
Mind you there were occasionally diamonds in the rough to be discovered at these clubs too.
Oberhausen is also where you will find CentrO, a large American style shopping center. There aren't many of these in Europe and it is a destination for shoppers from all over including Holland and Belgium.Jackyo, you are a incomparable source of infomation. If I understand you correct, it would be wise to try Düsseldorf area cause chances for good quality would be better. So thats what I do on Saturday evening. Had a look at bahn.de and traveltime between Oberhausen and Kaarst was not bad, these will be my plan A. Don't have a plan B yet but it will come.
Mike
Basketcase
04-23-08, 21:17
We meet in one of these places at Saturday, who knows. Anyway, have a great time!
MikePlans more firmed up now. Its Villa vertigo this Saturday. See you there hopefully Mikegbg.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
Basketcase
04-23-08, 21:20
Jackyo, you are a incomparable source of infomation. If I understand you correct, it would be wise to try Düsseldorf area cause chances for good quality would be better. So thats what I do on Saturday evening. Had a look at bahn.de and traveltime between Oberhausen and Kaarst was not bad, these will be my plan A. Don't have a plan B yet but it will come.
MikeMikegbg,
Okay, plan A is Living Room in Kaarst as that is easily accessible by public transport.
Plan B is come to the debauchery that LBC and co will be having in Villa Vertigo on Saturday.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
Mikegbg,
Okay, plan A is Living Room in Kaarst as that is easily accessible by public transport.
Plan B is come to the debauchery that LBC and co will be having in Villa Vertigo on Saturday.
Kind regards
LondonbasketcaseHi LBC,
I would have loved to meet up with your guys but the logistics are just to bad.
Hope to see you some other time/ Mikegbg
Jackyo, you are a incomparable source of infomation. If I understand you correct, it would be wise to try Düsseldorf area cause chances for good quality would be better. So thats what I do on Saturday evening. Had a look at bahn.de and traveltime between Oberhausen and Kaarst was not bad, these will be my plan A. Don't have a plan B yet but it will come.
Mike
Duesseldorf would be your jumping off point for visits to points to the west (the Golden Triangle near the Dutch border), to points to the south (Samya at Koeln, Traum Paradies in Troisdorf-Spich and Bernds, of course), points to the east (PT Mettmann, Cocoon in Wuppertal and Beverly in Solingen, z. B.).
Though from Oberhausen you can be visiting Red Carpets in the Ruhr too, all roads lead south to and through Duesseldorf to feast on the smorgasbord of NRW club offerings.
This is why hobbying in Austria is just not in the cards for me:
SOME OF THE MOST EXCLUSIVE NIGHTCLUBS IN THE WORLD
Die Preise in den jeweiligen Häusern setzten sich wie folgt zusammen.
Eintritt:
Wien:
Salzburg:
Klagenfurt: 150,- (inkl. 20% MwSt)
100,- (inkl. 20% MwSt)
130,- (inkl. 20% MwSt)
in diesem Betrag inkludiert sind hiermit alle Speisen und Getränke (ausgenommen Champagner und Sekt)
Die Damen bedienen
Sie ohne Getränkeanimation und belästigen Sie nicht mit aufdringlichen Einladungsfragen.
Zimmermiete: (inkl. 20% MwSt)
sollten Sie sich entschließen ein Zimmer aufzusuchen, so wird kein Eintritt mehr verrechnet.
Wien Salzburg Klagenfurt
½ Stunde 250,- 170,- 200,-
1 Stunde 300,- 220,- 250,-
weitere Preisstaffelungen sind aus den VIP-MEMBER Seiten ersichtlich
Mädchen-Unterhaltungsentgelt: (exkl. 20% MwSt)
Wien Salzburg Klagenfurt
½ Stunde 150,- 150,- 150,-
1 Stunde 200,- 200,- 200,-
weitere Preisstaffelungen sind aus den VIP-MEMBER Seiten ersichtlich
die Preisgestaltung obliegt der jeweiligen Frau und richtet sich nach der Dauer Ihres Aufenthaltes im Zimmer. Das Unterhaltungsentgelt ist dem jeweiligen Mädchen direkt zu bezahlen. Die genauen Preise erfahren Sie an den Rezeptionen in Wien, Salzburg und Klagenfurt. Die hier angegebenen Preise sind ungefähre Richtpreise.
Has anyone been?
These prices are in Euros, by the way.
If I understand this correctly, one pays an entrance fee, a fee for renting the room and also has to pay the chick.
How do they stay in business? Are there enough dudes out there willing to pay these prices?
Warsteiner
04-27-08, 14:53
This is why hobbying in Austria is just not in the cards for me:
Has anyone been?
These prices are in Euros, by the way.
If I understand this correctly, one pays an entrance fee, a fee for renting the room and also has to pay the chick.
How do they stay in business? Are there enough dudes out there willing to pay these prices?
Yep, you pay 3 times (entrance, room, girl) and the price for the girl doesn't include 20% tax :eek: It would be cheaper to get a train/flight to Frankfurt and visit Palace or Oase than going to that club.
Yep, you pay 3 times (entrance, room, girl) and the price for the girl doesn't include 20% tax :eek: It would be cheaper to get a train/flight to Frankfurt and visit Palace or Oase than going to that club.Babylon is not the only club in Austria. F.ex. you have GoldenTime which has the similar price structure as Artemis (both for entry and sessions).
Ekliges Lauern
04-27-08, 19:20
Since Palace bashing and its inevitable companion, Palace basher bashing, have had flare ups recently in both the Oase and Golden Time threads, may I suggest that we take a one month time out from Palace bashing as well as Palace basher bashing. Reports, good and bad, of course, post them. But if your posts fall into the following categories, I suggest it is better off not posted:
1) Palace girls are all sharks.
2) There is a secret conspiracy to rip off everyone at Palace except Hessen Bub.
3) If Palace girls are all sharks, why are they reviewed as giving good service at other clubs?
I think at this time every regular poster's view is known, pro or con on Palace.
Let's give it a rest. At least until May 27.
Travelerb69
04-28-08, 01:40
Back home, it is time to report my first Germany clubs tour I made in April. Thanks to all the info I got here everything went fine. The trip ended one week ago and had lots of work so am reporting now, but the info is still fresh. I was at the following clubs: Oase, Palace, World, Samya, Bernds, Cocoon, ParkSauna, Golden Time, Living Room, Planet Happy Garden, HeavensGate, Yin Ying, Blue Note. I was supposed to go to a few Partytreffs but simply had no dick any longer for it, I will probably go on my next trip. I will post each report on each club on the proper sections and a few on this general trend under different titles so as to give info about specific logistic points, such as car rental, internet access, sorry for the more experienced ones but I think it will be of help for the newbies like me. At the end of the reports I will try to make a comparison between the clubs concerning some aspects.
Best regards, Travelerb69.
Vito Corleone
04-28-08, 01:55
Since Palace bashing and its inevitable companion, Palace basher bashing, have had flare ups recently in both the Oase and Golden Time threads, may I suggest that we take a one month time out from Palace bashing as well as Palace basher bashing. Reports, good and bad, of course, post them. But if your posts fall into the following categories, I suggest it is better off not posted:
1) Palace girls are all sharks.
2) There is a secret conspiracy to rip off everyone at Palace except Hessen Bub.
3) If Palace girls are all sharks, why are they reviewed as giving good service at other clubs?
I think at this time every regular poster's view is known, pro or con on Palace.
Let's give it a rest. At least until May 27.
Palace girls are all sharks
Travelerb69
04-28-08, 02:20
We discussed about car rental here before my trip, but some info will be of use. According to my research there are 4 sites in which one can get the best rates to rent cars in Germany, the best option is gonna depend on time of rental and kilometers you want to travel.
First there is the www.sixti.com- It is the budget site for sixt cars. Its rates are the cheapest at first, but there are a few tricks- its like Ryan Air, very cheap but if you travel with excess luggage, it can be very expensive. There is a limit of 100 km per day, one can not deliver the car at a different point from the pick-up, third-party insurance is not included in the basic price, just two groups of car and the cheapest car group begins with Smarts. Also if you want to extend the length of your rental period you have to go there and sign another contract, not possible by phone. That was the site I used to rent the car. Since I drove a lot, it became more expensive than any of the other three. I advise this site for short periods, less than 5 days and if not driving more than 100 km a day, in that case it is the best deal. I was afraid I could be given a smart so I booked one period of 4 days, time I spent in Hessen, and then another longer one, so as in case I got a smart I could stay just for fours days and then upgrade. It turned out just the opposite- I was given a Meriva at first, two upgrades for free, since no smarts were available, however when renewing there were lots of Smarts at the parking lot at Hahn airport, so had to beg to be given a Fiesta instead, so it is hit and miss. But at sixti you do have a chance of be given a Smart, it almost happened to me.
Then there is the www.sixt.com –tricky, isn’t it?, I did not know the difference. Trough this site, the official for sixt, you have a bigger selection of cars, the basic rate is higher but no charged extras, free mileage and third part insurance included, it is also possible to deliver the car at a different location for no extra fare and to extend the length of your rental period by phone. Recomended for periods of more than five days.
Then there is http://www.amigoautos.es/ , I found it to be the best deal for long periods, more than one week, otherwise is expensive. Cars begin with polo/fiestas(no smarts) and everything is included, insurance and free mileage. Also possible to deliver the car at different location. It is a car booker which books from sixt in Germany, so they are the same cars.
And last another booker, this was a tip from the girl at the counter at the airport, http://www.holidaycars.com, it works with several car rental agencies but generally not with sixt. Excellent rates also, more or less the same price as amigosauto. So depending on length and kms of the rentals one of the four will be the best option.
Regarding access to the clubs, I took my TomTom 720 bought about six months ago and had no problem at all to get to any club, even gas stations, shops, whatever. I do envy those of you who manage to get to the clubs only using maps, even with google maps and the stuff, I would not be able to, or at least would take much longer. As for the costs of the rental versus public trasportation, if you choose the correct rental agency(which I did not this time, it costed me more)it costs something like 25 euros a day, public transportation including a taxi may cost more.
Travelerb69.
Travelerb69
04-28-08, 02:21
Palace girls are all sharks
I second that.
Travelerb69
04-28-08, 02:43
Again discussed some time ago here, if you take your own notebook the best deal is http://www.t-mobile.de/, several hot spots including all MacDonalds I have been to in Germany, fast connection, about 3 Mb, you can get wired in the parking lot, do not even have to eat something to get a table, 29,95 euros for a period of 30 days. I do not remember the shortest period, if not mistaken 24 hours for 10 euros or something, so even for a period of one week it is worthy to buy the one-month package. I had a hard time till I got this info, looked for a card at kiosks and even at t-mobile shops they did not know about it. It is very simple, just go to a Mac Donalds, start your notebook, and automatically you will be directed to their home page, then choose the english version if you like me can not read in german and follow the instructions to pay on line with a credit card. Simple as that, and at 1 euro a day I think one can not beat it.
Terrible disadvantage- their network is blocked to access anything related to sex, quite a censorship, and of course this includes our beloved forum as well as all the club sites. I could not access the forum at all and ended up having to pay for access at some cybercafes a few times, very cheap, generally 1 euro an hour. Also one of the cybercafes also had a sexsite block… However, since I just need be connected daily for working and communication reasons, t-mobile is still a good deal for me.
Travelerb69.
Since Palace bashing and its inevitable companion, Palace basher bashing, have had flare ups recently in both the Oase and Golden Time threads, may I suggest that we take a one month time out from Palace bashing as well as Palace basher bashing. Reports, good and bad, of course, post them. But if your posts fall into the following categories, I suggest it is better off not posted:
1) Palace girls are all sharks.
2) There is a secret conspiracy to rip off everyone at Palace except Hessen Bub.
3) If Palace girls are all sharks, why are they reviewed as giving good service at other clubs?
I think at this time every regular poster's view is known, pro or con on Palace.
Let's give it a rest. At least until May 27.
Hey Rad,
Dude, what is so special about 27 May? Special "Zietabdeckung" regarding Palace criticism that no one told me about?
In all seriousness, I never said that ALL Palace girls are sharks. I know a handful who are great, honest and fair.
My comments about the pricing scheme among many (probably the majority) of Palace girls is no longer a theory. I have had it well confirmed in recent weeks. Even HB, who probably is there more than any of us, is not outright saying that this is not the case.
Like it or not, agree with my assessment of Palace or not, if girls are colluding on a price fixing scheme that is more than the standard house prices, then this IS forum news and well worth reporting. On top of that, the club IS deserving of a little bashing IF they tolerate such a practice.
I am glad that some of these girls (Lorena, for instance) are getting some good reviews. But I think that this is a fair question: Has anyone here been able to get a good 50 euro session with all the trimmings out of her? Just curious.
I know a guy who dealt with this in the greatest way. He has session with an attractive Romanian at Palace many times since she started. Always did at least an hour session with her. On their last meeting she told him that an hour session would be 150. He protested but eventually agreed that "for an hour I will give you 150." However at 27 minutes on the nose, he came, rushed out of the room and gave her 50 Euros. It was surely his last session with her, but she got what she deserved; treating a regular customer of hers that way. Sorry but I have to withhold the name of the punter and the girl. She is well known at the club, and part of that price fixing scam.
Ortos, if you are out there reading this, I'll tell you very simply why some girls are sharks at Palace and not at other clubs: There is no pressure for them to conform to that price fixing deal at other clubs like there is at Palace. a girl told me recently that if they do not go along, some of the Romanians make it really difficult for them.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Terrible disadvantage- their network is blocked to access anything related to sex, quite a censorship, and of course this includes our beloved forum as well as all the club sites. I could not access the forum at all and ended up having to pay for access at some cybercafes a few times, very cheap, generally 1 euro an hour. Also one of the cybercafes also had a sexsite block… However, since I just need be connected daily for working and communication reasons, t-mobile is still a good deal for me.
Travelerb69.
Hey Traveler,
There is indeed an adult-site filter at every McDonald's. However one can get a T-Online hotspot at most main train stations, autobahn rest stops, Starbucks, hotels (Excelsior and Monopol for example) and quite a few other spots. These T-Online hot spots do not have a filter.
Not sure what it costs to hook up (I have a "Call and Surf Comfort Plus" tariff that lets me use the hotspots for free) but of the big providers (T-Online, Vodafone, and Swisscom) T-Online is probably the cheapest.
The Autobahn rest stops on the A5 between Frankfurt and World have good T-Online hotspots that one can usually pick up in the parking lots.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Travelerb69
04-28-08, 13:09
Hey Traveler,
There is indeed an adult-site filter at every McDonald's. However one can get a T-Online hotspot at most main train stations, autobahn rest stops, Starbucks, hotels (Excelsior and Monopol for example) and quite a few other spots. These T-Online hot spots do not have a filter.
Not sure what it costs to hook up (I have a "Call and Surf Comfort Plus" tariff that lets me use the hotspots for free) but of the big providers (T-Online, Vodafone, and Swisscom) T-Online is probably the cheapest.
The Autobahn rest stops on the A5 between Frankfurt and World have good T-Online hotspots that one can usually pick up in the parking lots.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Hi Dedalus, good to know that, problem solved.
Hessen Bub
04-28-08, 13:15
@Dedalus: You can't receive PMs anymore. Just clear your mailbox, please!
HB
Travelerb69
04-28-08, 13:16
Ortos, if you are out there reading this, I'll tell you very simply why some girls are sharks at Palace and not at other clubs: There is no pressure for them to conform to that price fixing deal at other clubs like there is at Palace. a girl told me recently that if they do not go along, some of the Romanians make it really difficult for them.
Cheers,
Dedalus
I heard exactly the same thing from a girl who is working at Golden Time now and used to work at Palace, she even mentioned that since the very first day she began at Palace she was under a lot of pressure by the girls to charge more and process the customers. I think it is the managements'fault not to take any measures against it. Well, no money from me to them.
Travelerb69
@Dedalus: You can't receive PMs anymore. Just clear your mailbox, please!
HB
Hey Man,
Give her another go. Should be ok now.
Cheers,
Dedalus
My comments about the pricing scheme among many (probably the majority) of Palace girls is no longer a theory. I have had it well confirmed in recent weeks. Even HB, who probably is there more than any of us, is not outright saying that this is not the case.
Like it or not, agree with my assessment of Palace or not, if girls are colluding on a price fixing scheme that is more than the standard house prices, then this IS forum news and well worth reporting. On top of that, the club IS deserving of a little bashing IF they tolerate such a practice.
I am glad that some of these girls (Lorena, for instance) are getting some good reviews. But I think that this is a fair question: Has anyone here been able to get a good 50 euro session with all the trimmings out of her? Just curious.
I know a guy who dealt with this in the greatest way. He has session with an attractive Romanian at Palace many times since she started. Always did at least an hour session with her. On their last meeting she told him that an hour session would be 150. He protested but eventually agreed that "for an hour I will give you 150." However at 27 minutes on the nose, he came, rushed out of the room and gave her 50 Euros. It was surely his last session with her, but she got what she deserved; treating a regular customer of hers that way. Sorry but I have to withhold the name of the punter and the girl. She is well known at the club, and part of that price fixing scam.
Ortos, if you are out there reading this, I'll tell you very simply why some girls are sharks at Palace and not at other clubs: There is no pressure for them to conform to that price fixing deal at other clubs like there is at Palace. a girl told me recently that if they do not go along, some of the Romanians make it really difficult for them.
Cheers,
Dedalus
I don't think continued reporting and ad nauseum discussion of issues such as Dedalus and others raise is at all out of line. I like to keep it gooing because there are some good tidbits of info contained here. It may well be that there is some kind of mass scam going on at Palace. But I seldom have sessioned with Romanians at Palace, come to think of it and I pick my sessions partners the same way I pick my starting hands late in a NL Hold em tournament: after much thought and study. So maybe that is why I have yet to fall victim to these price scammers at Palace.
I still love the place despite the pitfalls...
Ortos
Ekliges Lauern
04-28-08, 23:39
It may well be that there is some kind of mass scam going on at Palace. But I seldom have sessioned with Romanians at Palace, come to think of it and I pick my sessions partners the same way I pick my starting hands late in a NL Hold em tournament: after much thought and study.
You may be on to something. I avoid the Romanian brigade and carefully study my new friends. I tend to go with Germans, Poles and Russians (and ex-USSR nationalities). I also always observe a woman returning from a minimum of two sessions before selecting her. I also place a high premium on services, and will go with a slightly older or not as beautiful girl who is returning with a lot of happy customers.
I suspect the Palace shark-bit brigade tends to go with the first Romanian cute young thing who wiggles her ass at them. This certainly explains how Olympia manages to get alot of sessions.
I don't think continued reporting and ad nauseum discussion of issues such as Dedalus and others raise is at all out of line. I like to keep it gooing because there are some good tidbits of info contained here. It may well be that there is some kind of mass scam going on at Palace.
But I seldom have sessioned with Romanians at Palace, come to think of it and I pick my sessions partners the same way I pick my starting hands late in a NL Hold em tournament: after much thought and study.
Ortos
Hey Ortos,
Fair enough. But if the player to your right switches the deck on his cut to one stacked with 9s and 7s in his favor, wouldn't you want to know that?
BTW, There's a Hold 'em tourney at VV on the 15th.
Cheers,
Dedalus, who would make a terrible card sharp.
I also place a high premium on services, and will go with a slightly older or not as beautiful girl who is returning with a lot of happy customers.
I suspect the Palace shark-bit brigade tends to go with the first Romanian cute young thing who wiggles her ass at them. This certainly explains how Olympia manages to get alot of sessions.
Focusing on girls who provide service over opti-fucktivity (see one can be creative with the language, even though one might monger too...) is the sign of an advanced FKKer! Many of us have crossed this plateau and have developed a sixth sense regarding which girls will provide GFE and which girls may not. This is part of the radar we need to be successfull as night-time monger bats searching the promised fruit!
One could argue that many newbies are decieved by the Romanian gang, etc as you point out. But this does not explain how several experienced FKKers also seem to fall victim to these scammers at Palace too.
One should also add quickly that it is NOT only Romanians at Palace who try to raise the prices. Remember the recent reports on this forum of some thinnish, Blonde Russian girl wearing a red dress at Palace who was seeking 100E for a 30min session? And it was reported that she did NOT get much action? Also I remember meeting a very buxum darkish girl at Oase, who claimed to be from Brazil. I forgot her name. She wanted 200E/hr at Oase, but promised a very, very special porn-star experience. I was tempted because she was so good looking and did look like a genuine porn star, but I sensed a scam and was not inclined to pay double the price for the risk...
Ortos
Hey Ortos,
Fair enough. But if the player to your right switches the deck on his cut to one stacked with 9s and 7s in his favor, wouldn't you want to know that?
BTW, There's a Hold 'em tourney at VV on the 15th.
Cheers,
Dedalus, who would make a terrible card sharp.
Actually, I would be alot more concerned if the person to my left swiched the deck, rather than on my right. But sure we should all expect the cardroom to deal with a straight deck!
This VV tourny: Is the prize pool composed of cash or sexy babes? Gotta know when to hold em Ded....
Ortos
Vito Corleone
04-29-08, 06:47
You may be on to something. I avoid the Romanian brigade and carefully study my new friends. I tend to go with Germans, Poles and Russians (and ex-USSR nationalities). I also always observe a woman returning from a minimum of two sessions before selecting her. I also place a high premium on services, and will go with a slightly older or not as beautiful girl who is returning with a lot of happy customers.
I suspect the Palace shark-bit brigade tends to go with the first Romanian cute young thing who wiggles her ass at them. This certainly explains how Olympia manages to get alot of sessions.
I have my issues with Palace & those crazy romanians, but not all Romanians are sharks. I had good sessions with Mona last year & great gfe sessions with a new Romanian chick Denise last Feb. I think I spent a total of 12 hours in 4 days with her. Her friend was a total ***** (forgot her name) & some women tried to rip me off but stormed off when I held my ground.
Ekliges Lauern
04-29-08, 11:31
Focusing on girls who provide service over opti-fucktivity (see one can be creative with the language, even though one might monger too...) is the sign of an advanced FKKer! Many of us have crossed this plateau and have developed a sixth sense regarding which girls will provide GFE and which girls may not. This is part of the radar we need to be successfull as night-time monger bats searching the promised fruit!
One could argue that many newbies are decieved by the Romanian gang, etc as you point out. But this does not explain how several experienced FKKers also seem to fall victim to these scammers at Palace too.
One should also add quickly that it is NOT only Romanians at Palace who try to raise the prices. Remember the recent reports on this forum of some thinnish, Blonde Russian girl wearing a red dress at Palace who was seeking 100E for a 30min session? And it was reported that she did NOT get much action?
Well, I suspect the so called experienced mongers are going for the Romanian gang as they are some of the biggest eye candy at Palace.
I was also there the night of the Russian girl trying to set her price at 100Es. She had no takers. So much for the conspiracy theory on pricing. Two nights later she had adopted standard pricing and had lots of new friends. I was tempted to take one for the team by my shark radar was off the scale with her.
One should also add quickly that it is NOT only Romanians at Palace who try to raise the prices. Remember the recent reports on this forum of some thinnish, Blonde Russian girl wearing a red dress at Palace who was seeking 100E for a 30min session? And it was reported that she did NOT get much action? Also I remember meeting a very buxum darkish girl at Oase, who claimed to be from Brazil. I forgot her name. She wanted 200E/hr at Oase, but promised a very, very special porn-star experience. I was tempted because she was so good looking and did look like a genuine porn star, but I sensed a scam and was not inclined to pay double the price for the risk...
This is the beauty of the free market system, oder?
Supply and demand will find a price at which both are at equilibrium.
In raising their prices these women are testing the price-elasticity of demand and rightfully so are finding out that it is not very elastic.
You may be on to something. I avoid the Romanian brigade and carefully study my new friends. I tend to go with Germans, Poles and Russians (and ex-USSR nationalities). I also always observe a woman returning from a minimum of two sessions before selecting her. I also place a high premium on services, and will go with a slightly older or not as beautiful girl who is returning with a lot of happy customers.
I suspect the Palace shark-bit brigade tends to go with the first Romanian cute young thing who wiggles her ass at them. This certainly explains how Olympia manages to get alot of sessions.
Yes, service is what matters. At least to me it does.
When I visit a PT I let my standards decline a bit but I am starting to think that PT visits don't count as sex anyway.
As the Germans like to say: its not in her kiss or anything else, its in her Ausstrahlung or her aura.
The "observe two sessions before committing" rule is a worthwhile one and one which I will use in the future.
Hey,
As I am from Belgium near the German border. I went together whith my mistress to Beverly 2000 last saterday. We had a good time. But somehowe we would like to try something simular but in a club with a sauna. The club schould be in or around Köln. Has someone experience with these.
Greetings
Frank Dallas
04-29-08, 18:20
Focusing on girls who provide service over opti-fucktivity (see one can be creative with the language, even though one might monger too...) is the sign of an advanced FKKer! Many of us have crossed this plateau and have developed a sixth sense regarding which girls will provide GFE and which girls may not. This is part of the radar we need to be successfull as night-time monger bats searching the promised fruit!Franks Observation: If I want a girlfriend, I'll go find one. I have limited time in Germany, and where I live opti-fucks are rare. Me...gimme the hottest opti I can find, I'm only good for 10 minutes till my back goes out. Maybe I can do three optis and drink a beer!
Basketcase
04-29-08, 22:04
Summary of Londonbasketcase’s NordRhein Westfalen Trip
Thursday, 24 April to Monday, 28 April
Executive Summary
*5 days and 4 nights of NRW sauna club visiting
*4 different sauna clubs visited
*6 sauna club visits in total covering:
** Goldentime 3 visits
** Villa Vertigo 1 visit
** Yin Yang 1 visit
** Planet Happy Garden 1 visit
**missed out visiting Living Room in Kaarst sadly
*19 sessions with the girls
**14 different girls comprising:
** *blondes (natural and peroxide) girls x 11
*** dark haired girls x 2
** *brunette girls x 1
**The 14 girls that I had sessions with came from:
***Germany x7
***Poland x3
***Lithuania x 1
***Russia x 1
***Hungary x 1
***Turkey x 1
I met a lot of good guys from the various internet forums during my 5 day trip. Please keep in touch.
****The Sauna Clubs****
Yin-Yang
Heinsbergerweg 230, 6045CL Roermond Limburg
Phone: 0475-532 596 or 0031 475 53 2596
Homepage: www.yinyang.nl
Entrance: Admission before 3pm=€35, after 3pm=€50
Open: Mon-Fri 11am-1am, Sun and holidays 1pm-1am
Price: 50€/30min, 75€/60min FS+BBBJ CIM €25 Anal €50
Visited from 12pm to 12:30am: 12.5 hours
Entritt: €35 as arrived prior to 3 pm.
Sessions
**Christina of Hungary
(Dark hair) 22 years old, long black hair €75 for 1 hour,
BBBJ, DATY, DFK, FS
**Donna of Russia
(Dark hair), petite €50 for 30 minutes,
B2B massage, DATY, BBBJ, FS, COB
**Jen (Jennifer) of Germany
(Blonde hair) €75 for 30 minutes
B2B massage, BBBJTCIM
**Summer of Germany
(Shades of dark and blonde hair) €50 for 30 minutes
DFK, kino start with BBBJ, BBBJ, DATY, COB
Golden Time,
Heidweg 1 41379 Brüggen
Nordrhein Westfalen
Phone: +49 (0) 21 638 894 760
Entry: 50€
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 75 €
Extras: 25 € FT, 50 € Anal, €25 CIM, €25 COF/COB
Open: Mon-Sat 11:00-01:00 Sun & holidays 13:00-01:00
http://www.goldentime.de
Email: info@goldentime.de
Breakfast 11:00-15:00
Cake buffet 15:00
Dinner 18:00
Pizza 22:00
GT Visit 1: Visited from 11:30am to 01:00am: 13.5 hours
** Nakarla of Turkey
(Shades of blonde and dark hair) €150 for 1 hour
1st pop: DFK, BBBJ, FS, BBBJTCIM
2nd pop: BBBJ and COB
** Lisa of Germany
(blonde hair) €75 for 30 minutes
BBBJ, FS, BBBJTCIM
**Angela of Poland
(blonde hair) 24 year old spinner, young looking, vivid blue eyes, shoulder length very blonde hair, no English, €75 for 30 minutes
Cleans your dick with a wet wipe first, LFK, BBBJ, FS, BBBJTCIM
** Lisa of Germany
(blonde hair) €75 (paid €80 as wanted to tip her) for 30 minutes
B2B massage, BBBJ, FS, BBBJ, COB,
GT Visit 2: Visited from 8:30pm to 1am: 4.5 hours
Came to Goldentime after arriving from Villa Vertigo having spent 8.5 hours at VV
** Leia of Germany
(Blonde hair) 22 years old, younger sister of Lina of Germany, so cute, would look the part in a school girl outfit, €75 for 30 minutes
DFK, BBBJ, 3 positions FS, extended BBBJ, COB
**Esr of Germany
(Blonde hair) €75 for 30 minutes
Had the biker chick look with miniscule denim cut offs and black mesh bandeau top and black high heels
I had to do Esr after watching her fantastic performance in the kino with a lucky German
For me, Esr got totally naked in Kino DFK, BBBJ, then to the room for BBBJ, 3 positions FS, BBBJTCIM
GT Visit 3: Visited from 11am to 5pm: 6 hours (I had to leave early to catch my flight back to England).
** Angela of Poland
24 year old spinner, young looking, vivid blue eyes, shoulder length very blonde hair, no English
(Blonde Hair) €50 for 30 minutes
Cleans your dick with a wet wipe first, BBBJ, 3 positions FS, BBBJ
** Janka/Yanka of Poland
(Brunnette hair) slim, big boobed – so round and so full looking and heavy to touch. Started off wearing a pink bikini set then lost the top and then I was sold for a session by her tits and her good English. €75 for 30 minutes
Kino BBBJ start then to room for BBBJTCIM
** Angela of Poland
24 year old spinner, young looking, vivid blue eyes, shoulder length very blonde hair, no English
(Blonde Hair) €50 for 30 minutes
Cleans your dick with a wet wipe first, BBBJ, 3 positions FS
** Lina of Germany
(Blonde), 24 years old, older sister of Leia of Germany, €75 for 30 minutes
DFK, BBBJ, 2 positions FS (I’m not a big fan of girl on top), BBBJTCIM
Villa Vertigo KG
Bahnstrasse 90
47929 Grefrath, Germany
Phone: +49(0)2 158 404 954
Email: info@villavertigo.de
www.villavertigo.de
Entritt: €50
Opening times: Mon to Sat 11:00 to 01:00; Sun 13:00 to 01:00
30min €50
60min €75
90min €125
120min €150
Breakfast buffet
Lunch buffet
Afternoon cake
Dinner Buffet
Visited from 11:30am to 8pm: 8.5 hours
Moved onto Goldentime for another 4.5 hours
** Roxanna of Poland
(Blonde hair) €50 for 30 minutes
DFK, BBBJ, DATY, BBBJ, 3 positions FS
** Roxanna of Poland
(Blonde hair) €50 for 30 minutes
DFK, BBBJ, DATY, BBBJ, 3 positions FS
** Gini of Germany
(blonde hair, arse of a 8 year old boy, I wanted her in a school girl or nurse’s outfit) €50 for 30 minutes
BBBJ, FS, BBBJ, covered COB
Planet Happy Garden, Oedt
Butzenstasse 41
47918 Tonisvorst/Oedt
Tel +49 (0)2 152 519 103
Hours: Monday - Saturday 11:00-01:00, Sunday & Holidays 13:00-01:00
Entry: 50€
30 minutes: €50
http://www.planet-happy-garden.info
Drinks included
Swimming pool, 2 saunas, out door yard, 2 bars, beer inclusive,
Breakfast items are available until 4pm and BBQ dinner is usually around 6:30 or 7pm.
Visited from 13:00 to 01:00: 12 hour visit
** Melanie of Lithuania
(Blonde hair) €50 for 30 minutes (actually spent 15 minutes- my fault finishing so quickly with such a goddess)
DFK, B2B massage, BBBJ, tit fuck, 3 positions FS
** Melanie of Lithuania
(Blonde hair) €50 for 30 minutes (actually spent 25 minutes. I did better this time around.)
DFK, B2B massage, BBBJ, tit wank, 3 positions FS, BBBJ, tit wank finish with COB
Met three mongerers from North America travelling together who knew of this forum amongst others.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
Ekliges Lauern
04-30-08, 02:12
My comments about the pricing scheme among many (probably the majority) of Palace girls is no longer a theory. I have had it well confirmed in recent weeks. Even HB, who probably is there more than any of us, is not outright saying that this is not the case.
OK, I'll call your bluff on this one.
There are enough experienced mongers and newbees in this forum to form a statistically valid sample. I suggest a roll call of incidents that posters have personally experience (no second hand accounts) of attempted overcharging at FKKs or Saunas within the last year. Upselling, lackluster service or rushing does not count. Only overcharging. This should validate your price fixing claim.
Please incude:
Club
Girls name and nationality if known
What they tried to charge and why
How you responded (don't be embarasssed if you caved as a newbee)
Outcome
I'll go first:
1. Oase, Leticia, half Morrocan/half Spanish, tried to charge 150E afrter session with CIM, falsely stated I had gone over 30 minutes, backed down when I told her the time we began and that I had no intention of paying 150E. Accepted 100E (proper price for session with CIM).
2. Palace, Spanish girl (name forgotten), tied to charge 100E for session in Kino claiming Kino sex was 50E extra, backed down when I told her I knew the proper pricing and wasn't going to pay 100E. Accepted 50E.
Those my two first hand knowledge rip-off attempts in the last year.
Dedalus, Ortos, Jackyo, LBC, et al, please favor us with your rip-off experiences.
... has only ever happened to me at the Palace.
Luisa, from Spain, the one with the big boobs. She charged me for COT, even though she just rubbed her tits on my dick. I complained to management; they took her side. Waddayagonna do!
No over charges for me in the last year (2 trips). Including visits to Bernds, World, Oase, Samya, and Babylon [trying to see if it's back to its old standards -- sadly it wasn't. I notice Sarah is again listed on the web page 8^) ]. My experience my not mean anything since I mostly limit myself to a small number of women I've seen before.
Basketcase
04-30-08, 06:05
There are enough experienced mongers and newbees in this forum to form a statistically valid sample. I suggest a roll call of incidents that posters have personally experience (no second hand accounts) of attempted overcharging at FKKs or Saunas within the last year. Upselling, lackluster service or rushing does not count. Only overcharging. This should validate your price fixing claim.
I have been visiting FKKs since March 2008 but I have so far notched up three trips: two to Frankfurt FKKs (1st trip: 20 sessions and 2nd trip: 11 sessions) and one so far one trip to the NRW area (19 sessions). My data pool therefore covers 50 sessions. I have another trip this coming weekend from 2 to 5 May so that 4 day trip will bump the statistics up. As such my experiences will not be extensive as some others here.
I cannot say that I have been overcharged at any of the NRW or FKKs as I have in my own mind rationalized the expense or notched it up to experience. Some may say all my payment for COB finishes is being overcharged but a couple of girls have said outright when asked for that service that that is extra €25 in NRW or extra €50 in Hessen. As such I cannot call that overcharging even when the payment for COB issue was discussed in this FKK Clubs forum.
Upselling, lackluster service or rushing does not count. . Sorry if this part is off topic to the original question.
I have had up selling, but not in an overpowering way (maybe my only incident at World with Angelina of Germany to me could be called that, but even then to me not bad). All up selling I have been offers of further services to me that saved me asking if they were available. The up selling was over very quickly and to me is a part of the services explanation.
As for odd lackluster service there was that distinct unhappy experience for me but I kept it light with the girl of Lara of Germany at Palace (tall, slim, blonde, b cup breasts, tanned). I had done the quick interview of do you kiss, DATY, and could I perform a COB finish and showed her how and where I wanted to do it, thinking all the time BBBJ was standard service. In the room, DFK was a light few kisses and luckily it was because she had smokers’ breath. Then it came to the BJ. I lay down and Lara covered my line of sight of my penis by placing her body in between leaning on me and put a condom on me for a CBJ. I decided that I was definitely in for €50 no matter what was happening so went with it.
I have not had experiences of rushing. Probably more like running out of time.
I do have one experience at Goldentime that I would appreciate feedback on:
Club: Goldentime
Girls name and nationality if known: Nakarla of Turkey.
What they tried to charge and why: €150 for what I said I wanted only a 1 hour session but included two pops: One BBBJTCIM and one COB.
How you responded (don't be embarasssed if you caved as a newbee): I initially gave €100 as I said at the outset and repeated that I only wanted a one hour session. So this meant €75 for the one hour and €50 maximum for the CIM and COB finish making €125. After my 2nd pop I even tried to confirm whether this session was to be €100 being 1 hour with a CIM not sure what the story was with the COB second pop due to the comments I received that NRW girls allowed COB as part of the standard €50 deal. I heard no demur from Nakarla to €100 when I asked.
The way I rationalized this €150 pricing was one of two scenarios:
1. that Narkarla charges €100 for one hour sessions (as signs in GT’s lockers say that prices are between you and the girl to be within the law and therefore can be set at any price) and some girls at GT do charge €100 for one hour especially if there are two pops involved and my two pops were CIM and COB which would be €25 extra each making €150. I should have checked the cost of the 1 hour standard session as at least one girl said up front that each half hour was €50 with her and another girl only told me €50 for second half hour after we had gotten going in the room.
2. It was €125 for a one and half hour session – we may have gone over one hour. I was not clock-watching. Maybe she was clock-watching. With the CIM finish at €25 it made €150 with my second COB pop being a freebie.
Either 1 or 2 rationalizations made it okay but explanation 2 are annoying as I said I only wanted the one hour.
Other regulars (Belgian and Dutch punters) I spoke to at GT about this incident also could not work out the pricing that I received but advised not to go back with her ever again. She is a pretty girl and did all the right things and we did always playfully acknowledged each other for my three visits when I saw her working at GT.
Outcome: I paid the extra €50 on top of the €100 a split second after Nakarla said €150. During my two other visits I made to Goldentime during my trip I did not go back withher no matter how good she looked and what she did in the room as I cannot doubt that I enjoyed myself I will have second thoughts going back with her especially when there are so many other options available at Goldentime.
There was an incident where Angelina of Czech at Palace asked for €500 for a half hour session where I did not receive any extras like CIM. I think she was having fun but it did have me thinking for a few seconds. Angelina of Czech accepted my €50 and gave me a kiss goodbye as I had a flight to catch. I saw Angelina again on my second Frankfurt trip and the sex with CIM finishes was even better. I think that doubt came from all the reports on the FKK Palace thread that clouded my judgment and usual unprejudiced views of situations. If people say things long and loud enough even though it is not true then it does stick.
LBC, et al, please favor us with your rip-off experiences. You are welcome to my feedback.
Londonbasketcase
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
No overpricing attempts, anywhere. I think the fearsome looking, slightly stained nipple clamp I carefully place beside the table lamp as soon as I enter the room may have something to do with it. They are all very well behaved, I find...
Ekliges Lauern
04-30-08, 10:33
I do have one experience at Goldentime that I would appreciate feedback on:
Club: Goldentime
Girls name and nationality if known: Nakarla of Turkey.
What they tried to charge and why: €150 for what I said I wanted only a 1 hour session but included two pops: One BBBJTCIM and one COB.
How you responded (don't be embarasssed if you caved as a newbee): I initially gave €100 as I said at the outset and repeated that I only wanted a one hour session. So this meant €75 for the one hour and €50 maximum for the CIM and COB finish making €125. After my 2nd pop I even tried to confirm whether this session was to be €100 being 1 hour with a CIM not sure what the story was with the COB second pop due to the comments I received that NRW girls allowed COB as part of the standard €50 deal. I heard no demur from Nakarla to €100 when I asked.
Sounds like overcharging to me. 50E+25E (1 hour time charge)+25E CIM charge +25E COB charge (debateable in itself) only gets me to 125E. In that situation, I would have asked her to explain her pricing. Likely explanation is time banditry as I have run into that at GT in years past, but not recently. I say that qualifies.
Please share your experience with Angelina at World so we can be the judge of whether she overcharged you.
Please stop thinking about the 25 euro or 50 euro more that you have to pay. Keep it in mind. But stick to this : "She is a pretty girl and did all the right things and we did always playfully acknowledged each other for my three visits when I saw her working at GT."
Hey LBC,
Great executive summary!
Do you have a Powerpoint presentation to go with that too?
Some graphs would complete the picture.
My most blatant case of overcharging over the last year was with a Polish chick, Ola, at Goldentime.
Thin, short blonde hair, nice face.
I watched her first before pouncing. She would take customers into the room but they always seemed to have extended sessions.
We sit over dinner, have a conversation in basic English and then I agree we should spend more time together.
Big mistake. She had a screw loose, would ramble in rather crude language which was supposed to be funny but was not. She'd say things like: "F.. you" at the oddest times. Worst of all she had no sense of rythm. I'd poke and she'd pull away.
I knew this wasn't going anywhere and should have stood up and left after thirty minutes.
But I didn't.
That is how I fell for the "running up the clock" scam.
Most guys end up being short timed. I was over timed.
We step out of the room, we go to my locker and she becomes all business. She says: we spent an hour and a half together and so therefore I am billing you for the extra time.
She wasn't spending time with me because we got along well together. It was more efficient for her to milk me for extra time rather than have downtime in the Kontaktzimmer waiting for the next client.
This put a damper on my entire GT visit as she didn't learn how to pull this scam by herself. She probably learned it from the other women she works with.
My advice is: if you can barely stand her after spending thirty minutes with her, stand up and make for the door.
I prefer not to go with women I don't understand. And this one I had absolutely no communication with. She wasn't even funny or entertaining.
I knew this wasn't going anywhere and should have stood up and left after thirty minutes.
But I didn't.
That is how I fell for the "running up the clock" scam.
Most guys end up being short timed. I was over timed.
Had this happen to me several times at different clubs, you just never know if the girl is stalling so the clock goes that extra little bit farther...or she wants to avoid rushing back out onto the floor...or she just enjoys your company. And on occasion you'll run into a room with a shower...if the girl tells you to use the shower, is she doing it as a favor so you can have a private shower...or to add time to the clock? Yin Yang has a shower in each room since the club used to be a conference hotel...always used the private shower and never got banged (no pun intended) for extra cash.
But if you know the girl is trying to run up the clock, just grab your stuff and start walking towards the reception desk. She has to follow you to get your money.
No overpricing attempts, anywhere. I think the fearsome looking, slightly stained nipple clamp I carefully place beside the table lamp as soon as I enter the room may have something to do with it. They are all very well behaved, I find...
Dude,
One of these days we have to coordinate a club visit. Some running mates of mine, myself, and yourself MUST have some great experiences to share.
I like your thinking. I break out the western saddle, ball-gag, chopsticks and Cheez Whiz when I think a gal might get out of hand.
Cheerio,
Dedalus
Ekliges Lauern
04-30-08, 20:00
Please stop thinking about the 25 euro or 50 euro more that you have to pay. Keep it in mind. But stick to this : "She is a pretty girl and did all the right things and we did always playfully acknowledged each other for my three visits when I saw her working at GT."
I'm with you brother.
But the acusation was that there is a price fixing or collusion scheme in place at Palace as opposed to other clubs in Germany. I am just trying to test this theory with actual experience from board participants.
I'm with you brother.
But the acusation was that there is a price fixing or collusion scheme in place at Palace as opposed to other clubs in Germany. I am just trying to test this theory with actual experience from board participants.
Look Rad,
Believe, don't believe it. Your choice, brother.
In fact, next time your in Frankfurt and decide to stop by Palace, give little ole' Andra a try. Probably right up your ally. Top it off with a nice session with Julia. You can't miss her. Tits like flotation devices and a spine tattoo. Probably some quote from Confucius. She's another I'm sure you will enjoy.
Have fun and bring you wallet.
Dedalus, wishing that he could recommend Diana (the large one) but she has been gone a while. Too bad.
Frank Dallas
05-01-08, 00:09
What do the girls think about guys with Tatoos (like moi)
Ekliges Lauern
05-01-08, 01:27
Look Rad,
Believe, don't believe it. Your choice, brother.
In fact, next time your in Frankfurt and decide to stop by Palace, give little ole' Andra a try. Probably right up your ally. Top it off with a nice session with Julia. You can't miss her. Tits like flotation devices and a spine tattoo. Probably some quote from Confucius. She's another I'm sure you will enjoy.
Have fun and bring you wallet.
Dedalus, wishing that he could recommend Diana (the large one) but she has been gone a while. Too bad.
Well, if my count is correct, so far we have the following number of confirmed first hand reports of overcharging by club:
Palace: 2
GT: 2
Oase: 1
So far, your assertion of an overcharging conspiracy hasn't been substantiated by first hand accounts from board members. Of course, the picture may change with more data.
I use my radar and make my own choices, thank you very much. Never denied there were sharks at Palace, but there are sharks at GT and Oase as well.
Keeping an open mind,
Radler
Ekliges Lauern
05-01-08, 01:32
My advice is: if you can barely stand her after spending thirty minutes with her, stand up and make for the door.
Words to live by. Probably the dumbest thing I did in the last year was letting Chinese Tan at Palace talk me into a second half hour after really bad service the first half hour. A wiser man would have cut his losses at 30 minutes.
Vito Corleone
05-01-08, 09:38
Franks Observation: If I want a girlfriend, I'll go find one. I have limited time in Germany, and where I live opti-fucks are rare. Me...gimme the hottest opti I can find, I'm only good for 10 minutes till my back goes out. Maybe I can do three optis and drink a beer!
Frank,
That's the spirit. I also love opifuks & when you can find one with great service & skills, turns into a 3 hour session.
Vito Corleone
05-01-08, 09:56
Well, if my count is correct, so far we have the following number of confirmed first hand reports of overcharging by club:
Palace: 2
GT: 2
Oase: 1
So far, your assertion of an overcharging conspiracy hasn't been substantiated by first hand accounts from board members. Of course, the picture may change with more data.
I use my radar and make my own choices, thank you very much. Never denied there were sharks at Palace, but there are sharks at GT and Oase as well.
Keeping an open mind,
Radler
Palace
Salome Brazil
After a pretty good session, she demanded 100 E because the total time was 31 minutes. I held my ground & pointed to my watch (which I always wear) saying we ended @ 27 minutes. She tried to stall in the room but I was out by the 28th minute.
Hungarian chick
Demanded 100 E because she had to work really hard (whatever that means). No kissing, CIM, COB Anal & etc. She wa pissed because I did not cum in 5 minutes. Had a good laugh after this one.
Andra Romanian
After a great first 15 minutes, she stops & demands 50 extra E to continue the session. She added if I want 40 minutes 100 E extra.
I have had several (mostly Romanians) girls ask for 100 E for 30 minutes not including extras.
World
Sandra Serbia
Demanded 150 E with no extras for 27 minutes. I again pointed to my watch & told her we ended @ 27 minutes & out the room by the 28th minute. She was adamant about the time (over 30 min) & said she deserved more because I was doing the in & out for too long.
I have had women try to stall in the room @ World, Oase & Palace, but 85% were women @ Palace. Seems like Palace is the winner, but I still have a good time there.
My experience my not mean anything since I mostly limit myself to a small number of women I've seen before.
You can improve your chances of not being overcharged if you go with women you've been with before and with whom you've had good experiences.
In other words, why not reward positive behavior?
Its when I enter a new club or don't know the women that I most risk encountering a scam.
I always add a new club or two to my itinerary when I visit but I always set low expectations for the new club and always have my scam radar turned on to extra-sensitive to try to sense scams before they strike.
Despite my semi-consistent application of my rules of thumb for partner selection, my tests for chemistry and my years of experience, I still do get scammed.
The "running up the clock" scam I discuss earlier in this thread was totally unexpected hence my wanting to highlight it.
If I were to characterize overcharging it would probably fall into one of several categories:
1) A dispute concerning which services were performed (what is considered an extra charge, z. B.),
2) A dispute concerning the amount of actual time spent together either in the form of:
a) short timing
b) running up the clock
c) billing you for couch time
3) A dispute concerning services not performed at all (as when she sits with you, you lock lips but don't go beyond that but she still thinks you owe her money).
4) She is physically there but doesn't get into it, is too distant or otherwise just going through the motions.
I am particularly sensitive to 4) as I need to feel that she is giving it 100%.
Are there any overcharging issues out there to add to this list?
Ekliges Lauern
05-01-08, 13:32
4) She is physically there but doesn't get into it, is too distant or otherwise just going through the motions.
I personally don't consider this over charging but rather bad service. As long as there is a BJ and/or penetration involved, she has technically met the requirements for compensation. I can remember some really bad sessions which involved really bad BJs and or really bad fucking. In the end, I paid my 50E and escaped. I can't say this qualifies as overcharging. I put it in the same category as rushing or being mechanical, only this is a more severe infraction.
Ekliges Lauern
05-01-08, 16:53
You can improve your chances of not being overcharged if you go with women you've been with before and with whom you've had good experiences.
In other words, why not reward positive behavior?
I think this may have to do with why I tend to get good service at Palace. The place is sharky, not denying that.
I do tend to repeat with women I like. My usual routine is I try someone new for the first session and go back to old favorites for sessions two and three. The women see this and know I repeat with some women, so I think I tend to good sessions because there is an awareness that I am a potential regular customer.
The other thing that I think works in my favor is I like an FT finish for about half my sessions. I have talked to some other guys that tended to have good sessions at Palace and the common thread seemed to be that they all paid for extras, either extra time, FT or anal from time to time. I think word gets out on the girl-vine and that influences the service we get.
Basketcase
05-01-08, 21:15
Hey LBC,
Great executive summary!
Do you have a Powerpoint presentation to go with that too?
Some graphs would complete the picture.Jackyo,
Thanks for the feedback. I'll change my style again. Sorry. It was only meant to be a quick summary of what I did in NRW for my trip and to provide some feedback to me on what I liked or did not like. Maybe there would have been something informative to others in there too.
I intend to write my fuller and descriptive reports later on and post them in their respective forums.
No, no powerpoint slides. I do not use powerpoint - I have the ask the younger ones to do them for me. I do use handouts.
No graphs either but I am a visual kind of guy. I like using colours in my presentations and reports better than numbers.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
I think this may have to do with why I tend to get good service at Palace. The place is sharky, not denying that.
I do tend to repeat with women I like. My usual routine is I try someone new for the first session and go back to old favorites for sessions two and three. The women see this and know I repeat with some women, so I think I tend to good sessions because there is an awareness that I am a potential regular customer.
The other thing that I think works in my favor is I like an FT finish for about half my sessions. I have talked to some other guys that tended to have good sessions at Palace and the common thread seemed to be that they all paid for extras, either extra time, FT or anal from time to time. I think word gets out on the girl-vine and that influences the service we get.
Radler,
You are definitely on to something here...
Basketcase
05-01-08, 22:15
I think this may have to do with why I tend to get good service at Palace.
The other thing that I think works in my favor is I like an FT finish for about half my sessions. I have talked to some other guys that tended to have good sessions at Palace and the common thread seemed to be that they all paid for extras, either extra time, FT or anal from time to time. I think word gets out on the girl-vine and that influences the service we get.Dear Radler,
In my own mind I believe that I receive good service in general from the girls that I choose to have sessions with. If I can get a sweat inducing, mind blowing orgasm from a pretty girl working her heart out on my dick with her tight pussy, arse or warm wet luscious mouth then I think I have hit a home run. If you note my posts I tend to upgrade to the FT or COA finish as a matter of course. Some girls know this now and are happy to take me back to the room.
I have also been experimenting with my diet and I had at least one girl come back asking if we could do another FT finish again in the same night. I even had one girl swallow and not spit as is the norm. Good girl. I have got to go back and see her again.
In saying all this though as I tend for the €100 (in Hessen) or €75 (in NRW) sesssions I think the girls are happier to do the deeds. I do not think the girls talk much about their clients, but I know one did and she told me about some of the deeds she did in the rooms that day. Fun to listen to as you realise that you kinky stuff pales in comparison and its fun fondling her intimately as she relates them. Anyway I digress. I agree that if you pay a bit more you recieve a GFE moreso. Some girls say if you go for the hour then its a better time was on offer and you do recieve the full hour in my experience.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
Travelerb69
05-01-08, 22:32
Radler,
You are definitely on to something here...
Ortos, you read my thoughts...
Kingwenslas
05-04-08, 11:18
If I were to characterize overcharging it would probably fall into one of several categories:
1) A dispute concerning which services were performed (what is considered an extra charge, z. B.),
2) A dispute concerning the amount of actual time spent together either in the form of:
a) short timing
b) running up the clock
c) billing you for couch time
3) A dispute concerning services not performed at all (as when she sits with you, you lock lips but don't go beyond that but she still thinks you owe her money).
4) She is physically there but doesn't get into it, is too distant or otherwise just going through the motions.
I am particularly sensitive to 4) as I need to feel that she is giving it 100%.
Are there any overcharging issues out there to add to this list?
Hi Jackyo
You’ve just reminded me of a trip to World a couple of years ago. There was a totally gorgeous, tall blond with big boobs from Smolensk. She had a wonderful, playful personality and seemed pretty busy. She was completely and utterly my type and I fell for her. I still did my usual, however, of talking to her first and negotiating what I would get for what money – basically 30 minutes for €50 and I would upgrade mid-session if I felt like it.
We started and the sex was incredible. Then I was doing her - missionary style, and immediately her personality changed as if she had pressed a button. She basically would not let me continue until I had agreed to an hour. What do you do? Well, I did what I imagine most men would have done – namely – thought with my balls and caved in. We probably then had a 35 minute session for €100.
I had just met some guys from Berlin and one of them wanted to do her too. I specifically warned him that “She’s a businesswoman, nothing more, nothing less. Be careful.” Their dispute ended with an argument at the reception desk when he claimed that whilst he was orgasming, she moved her body under his so that he came over her and she demanded an extra €50. He had to pay.
Kingwenslas
Ekliges Lauern
05-05-08, 01:09
Ortos, you read my thoughts...
As I talk to more of the girls, the more convinced I am that this is what is going on. I'll relate two incidents. I was chatting at Oase with a woman that LBC just loves. Nice girl. As we are talking she says something to the effect "I don't like men that want to know what is included and what I do for 50E. For 50E I want him done in 10 minutes." However, for LBC, she was a sweetheart. And from talking to her, I think she would have been a good session.
The second incident was a year or two ago. I was at Palace and planning on going with Reggi/Vicki. I caught her between sessions (she was a busy girl). She wanted to eat before we sessioned. I sat with her and chatted. She basically told me that she didn't like going with men for a half an hour for only 50E. She wasn't bitchy about, she just seemed to think she deserved more to fuck and suck. I told her I didn't really want to go beyond half an hour but if things went well I was happy to go for the FT finish. She was happy with that and it turned out to be a great session.
Remember that at least as far back as 2001, the standard price has been 50E/100DM. Basically there has been no cost of living increase in at least 7 years. I think what we are seeing is a bit a subtle protest over wage stagnation.
Ekliges Lauern
05-05-08, 09:08
I do not think the girls talk much about their clients.
Actually, I think they talk about little else with each other. I suspect, you were the main topic of discussion amongst the ladies at Oase this weekend. You better go with a brunette soon, or you are liable to have a lot of angry young ladies from the non-blond contingent on your hands.
Vito Corleone
05-05-08, 09:50
Actually, I think they talk about little else with each other. I suspect, you were the main topic of discussion amongst the ladies at Oase this weekend. You better go with a brunette soon, or you are liable to have a lot of angry young ladies from the non-blond contingent on your hands.
I agree. The Romanian clicks seem to talk about all the guys they sessioned with.
Ekliges Lauern
05-06-08, 00:14
I agree. The Romanian clicks seem to talk about all the guys they sessioned with.
I can verify the Serbo-Croatian clique at Oase shares notes as well. I repeat with the Croatian Amazon Mia as I dig her looks and she always makes sure I am happy. After sessioning with two Croatian ladies on Sunday, their Serbian friend (I had seen them hanging together) was repeatedly approaching me for a session. I would have gone had I any left in me.
I think in the interest of Balkan peace, I should session with her next time I am at Oase.
I also overheard two ladies talking about a bloke in the Kino. One of the girls said to the other that he was clean, polite and gentle. She seemed to approve of the bloke. That was all I heard of the conversation before they realized I was close enough to hear them.
Basketcase
05-06-08, 07:35
Actually, I think they talk about little else with each other. I suspect, you were the main topic of discussion amongst the ladies at Oase this weekend. You better go with a brunette soon, or you are liable to have a lot of angry young ladies from the non-blond contingent on your hands.Radler,
I have changed my mind and agree with you. The feedback that I have received of late from the girls is yes that they talk non stop amongst themselves about the customers as to their likes and dislikes, not sure on the money side but if you talk about he likes time with girl or likes to have sex or likes all the naughty extras the girls can work out what the guy pays.
Yes, I need to balance up my menu of slim leggy blondes. I need to make a short list from my "girls seen" lists and get back there again to even the score.
Londonbasketcase
Dude,
One of these days we have to coordinate a club visit. Some running mates of mine, myself, and yourself MUST have some great experiences to share.
I like your thinking. I break out the western saddle, ball-gag, chopsticks and Cheez Whiz when I think a gal might get out of hand.
Cheerio,
Dedalus
I use a special electric- cooled pony harness with fuel injection. works every time.
beffen
CBGBConnisur
05-06-08, 18:38
The Ukrainian and Russian girls usually don't like certain ethnic groups. Mention "Juden" and their eyes light up like Borat.
Frank Dallas
05-06-08, 18:51
The Ukrainian and Russian girls usually don't like certain ethnic groups. Mention "Juden" and their eyes light up like Borat.So that way, if one tries to shark you, all you need to say is "ich bin eine Jude"?
Cool, I can say that in Russian too :) And in Yiddish. Maybe I should save it for after my last session.
I use a special electric- cooled pony harness with fuel injection. works every time.
beffen I just stick four fingers up her ass .... and I am probably the only one telling the truth here :-))))
The Ukrainian and Russian girls usually don't like certain ethnic groups. Mention "Juden" and their eyes light up like Borat.
All the russian girls I know, quite a few, light up like a twinkle twinkle little star when they see my Juden schwanz- they like it better than uncut and suckle it like a lollipop, and they light up when the see my euros too, and I get great sessions from them too so I think you know nothing and are maybe a bigot yourself borat.
Frank Dallas
05-06-08, 22:45
All the russian girls I know, quite a few, light up like a twinkle twinkle little star when they see my Juden schwanz- they like it better than uncut and suckle it like a lollipop, and they light up when the see my euros too, and I get great sessions from them too so I think you know nothing and are maybe a bigot yourself borat.Well I don't know about your Juden schvantz, but they will love mine since I have lots of Euros, only last a minute and they wont feel a thing.
"Ach, meine liebchen, giff me der hot schvantz"!!!!
"um, sweetie, hello, I finished about 20 minutes ago"
"ja? I did not know!"
they call me easy money where I come from !!!!!
CBGBConnisur
05-07-08, 00:53
That was just an observation I had of Eastern Europeans, Russians and Ukrainians in particular, I didn't say I supported their views. Europeans in general are like that. They are prostitutes and they fuck anyone that gives them money. A girl might be nice to your face,
and she will say something behind your back. Most of these women are not going to know what religion you are just by looking at you anyhow.
Basketcase
05-07-08, 19:58
Actually, I think they talk about little else with each other. I suspect, you were the main topic of discussion amongst the ladies at Oase this weekend. You better go with a brunette soon, or you are liable to have a lot of angry young ladies from the non-blond contingent on your hands.Having got back from Frankfurt safely from my long weekend I have just worked out that I had 14 sessions with 5 different girls covering 14 hours of paid for time over my 4 days and 3 nights in the Hessen FKK clubs.
Of the 5 girls I repeated with 4 of them.
The most girls I liked were at Oase, having 5 sessions with my favourite blonde, 3 sessions each with my other two blonde girlfriends.
At Palace I had 2 sessions with my fave "wife" but mechanical blonde and 1 session with my "dirty minx" anything goes blonde.
All five girls were blondes (did not need to be busty but the 2 at Palace were), pretty, tight arses, and smooth creamy legs and went around totally naked - no wraps, or bandeau skirts just the way I like them.
So not a diverse list for my upcoming trip reports.
I need to concentrate on brunettes and dark haired girls next time at Palace and Oase. Maybe I need to stay at World as I recalled numerous brunettes and dark haired girls there whereas Palace and Oase was more blonde girls. Anyway that is my opinion of what the line ups are like so my apologies to those that disagree.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
That was just an observation I had of Eastern Europeans, Russians and Ukrainians in particular, I didn't say I supported their views. Europeans in general are like that. They are prostitutes and they fuck anyone that gives them money. A girl might be nice to your face,
and she will say something behind your back. Most of these women are not going to know what religion you are just by looking at you anyhow.
I'm sure they talk about others behind their backs too: Arabs, Turks, blacks, Asian Indians, Chinese, Japanese. You name it, the women have their prejudices.
Most of the EE women do not have contact with non-Euro dudes, let us not forget.
They have to do something to while away the time when they aren't working.
One of my more memorable sessions was with a really talkative chick at Cocoon, Eve. It was almost like she didn't want to go to the room, just talk. I had to insist: "You are turning me on. We should go to a room."
She had a rule: she kept to herself and did not chat with the other women. Biggest problem was that they were much too interested in getting into her personal and private affairs. And yes, one of their favorite topics was trading tips on clients.
Better to just sit by herself and talk to clients instead, she'd concluded.
Frank Dallas
05-07-08, 21:23
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Most of the EE women do not have contact with non-Euro dudes, let us not forget.
They have to do something to while away the time when they aren't working.So little ol me, from my exotic and very far away locale, should be gravy for them.
Anyway I leave in less than 30 days. Hope the weather is nice! This Board is great!
Ekliges Lauern
05-07-08, 22:10
I need to concentrate on brunettes and dark haired girls next time at Palace and Oase. Maybe I need to stay at World as I recalled numerous brunettes and dark haired girls there whereas Palace and Oase was more blonde girls. Anyway that is my opinion of what the line ups are like so my apologies to those that disagree.
Only reason I mention it is the girl-vine at Oase has picked up on it. While you were sessioning with one of the blondes and txflyer and I were waiting for you, a brunette Romanian cutie approached both txflyer and I. Normally I shy away from the Romanian contingent, but she had a good, playful attitude and either txflyer or I would have probably sessioned with her had either of us had anything left in us. I suggested she wait for you to emerge and try her luck with you.
She replied to txflyer and I, "Oh no, LBC only likes blondes. He doesn't like brunettes." As she said that, she looked somewhat disappointed that she was unlikely to experience your charms. In the interest of peace with the non-blonde contingent at Oase, I suggest you go with a non-blonde or two. Also, it keeps them guessing. You don't want the ladies totally comfortable that they can predict what you are going to do.
Jackyo, WanKing or other seasoned FKKers,
I will arrive in Koln in three days and would like to know if there is any other good clubs around Dusseldorf, Koln, Bonn that are relatively easy to reach by public transportation. I know Samya is easy to reach and will go there. I will collate whatever you guys provide about other clubs and put in a report so that other travelers can access over again in the future.
I notice people are asking about the locations of different clubs. I have not visit the FKK forum for a while. But I downloaded a file from here that was loaded by some great guy (Sorry I do not remember who) who marked a whole lot of clubs on google earth. You need to install google earth (free and quick) to check it out. But it is a great resource. I think this, like the transportation list if you can provide info, is something that should be kept on the top of the forum the whole time so that every one can access them.
Thank you.
Tom
Basketcase
05-08-08, 05:09
Only reason I mention it is the girl-vine at Oase has picked up on it. While you were sessioning with one of the blondes and txflyer and I were waiting for you, a brunette Romanian cutie approached both txflyer and I. Normally I shy away from the Romanian contingent, but she had a good, playful attitude and either txflyer or I would have probably sessioned with her had either of us had anything left in us. I suggested she wait for you to emerge and try her luck with you.
She replied to txflyer and I, "Oh no, LBC only likes blondes. He doesn't like brunettes." As she said that, she looked somewhat disappointed that she was unlikely to experience your charms. In the interest of peace with the non-blonde contingent at Oase, I suggest you go with a non-blonde or two. Also, it keeps them guessing. You don't want the ladies totally comfortable that they can predict what you are going to do.Radler,
Thank you for the good advice on treating blondes and brunettes equally in terms of sessions spent. It is betterto make sure that I have the attention of all the girls and not just some. This makes visits that much more welcoming as the girls all think that they can have a piece of you and a slice of your hard earned euros. Universal appeal needs to be won by being all things to all people.
As for you not having anything to session with the Romanian, I think I would have even less given that I was in a session coming out to meet up with you for supper.
I am sure that you are embellishing that the Romanian brunette looked disappointed that as a Brunette she would be missing my charms - more like missing a revenue stream of euros. Nonetheless that is a good one and I do hope it is true as we have discussed that the girls do talk amongst themselves and even as you have pointed out from your overheard conversation in the Oase kino that customers that pay well, are gentle and polite are approved and preferred clients for any girl.
I am not sure what peace is being broken between the blondes and brunettes. I tend (in general) to see the blondes sitting together and the brunettes sitting together. If this what you mean that to bridge the gap between the differen girl hair colours that I am equally each group's punter regardless of nationality that I would get more attention from the girls just like I did when I first visited and had all girls come on for my attention.
I do get less hassles and needing to brush off girls now because that message seems out about my preferences. Maybe it was worth it for that peace factor as I do receive the girls I like and not the ones I do not like.
Then in saying that I see your point the future implication that when my faves move on and no longer inhabit Oase that I may get a frosty welcome when I start trying out the girls that I had turned down previously and get cold service as they think I am going with them only because my faves are not working no more.
Good point.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
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Ekliges Lauern
05-08-08, 11:36
I am not sure what peace is being broken between the blondes and brunettes.
Actually, I was referring to peace between the brunette contingent and you.
Jackyo, WanKing or other seasoned FKKers,
I will arrive in Koln in three days and would like to know if there is any other good clubs around Dusseldorf, Koln, Bonn that are relatively easy to reach by public transportation. I know Samya is easy to reach and will go there. I will collate whatever you guys provide about other clubs and put in a report so that other travelers can access over again in the future.
... they are ALL reachable by public transport.
I used to routinely rent a car during my trips but several years ago I decided to give up car rentals as a form of penance. This is my way of making up for the very poor performance of the US dollar versus the Euro.
I am, therefore, usually Autolos in Deutschland (would make a good title for a movie, nicht wahr?)
For those who've not been at this for very long, there was a time when the Euro to the dollar rate was $0.85 to Euro 1.00. You know where it is these days.
The question is: how much time do you have to figure out the transfers and the fare system? With unlimited time you can get anywhere.
In Duesseldorf you can do the following very easily: La Bedo, Blue Note, Dolce Vita, Living Room, PT Mettmann (you should not go Mettmann though without signing a waiver saying you won't bad mouth the visuals of the selection) and PT Krefeld. In Koeln it would be Samya and Sudbad (but the Verbindung with Bernds is very new so I don't know what you will find there). Wiago in Leverkusen is also easy and only involves a short walk. In Bonn you can get to Bernds (and the sucessor club to Calygula) but it will require a change to a bus at Hennef (this is very uncomplicated but it may throw you off).
With the exception of Bernds, the list above is of "one shot" public transport clubs: you take an S-bahn or U-bahn or Strassenbahn, get off at the correct stop and you walk the rest of the way. There are no changes necessary.
I am a purist, by the way. When I decide I want to get somewhere via public transport, I won't break the rules by taking a cab. Anything less than a couple of kilometers I consider to be walkable (besides I need to work off the nervous energy before and after a club visit).
The legendary Kaleu was a man obsessed about this. He didn't own a car and figured out that there was a way to get to every club by public tranport or by bumming a ride from someone who offered a Mitfahrgelegenheit.
"Blondes versus brunettes".
There is nothing like a good cat fight.
Will they be dressed in heels, stockings, usw.. and will they be tearing these clothes off?
Who is selling tickets?
CBGBConnisur
05-08-08, 16:49
Who cares about their attitudes towards specific people, they are *****s, they get paid to fuck and act nice while we are there. They could say whatever they want behind our backs.
Warsteiner
05-08-08, 20:39
We discussed about car rental here before my trip, but some info will be of use. According to my research there are 4 sites in which one can get the best rates to rent cars in Germany, the best option is gonna depend on time of rental and kilometers you want to travel.
First there is the www.sixti.com- It is the budget site for sixt cars. Its rates are the cheapest at first, but there are a few tricks- its like Ryan Air, very cheap but if you travel with excess luggage, it can be very expensive. There is a limit of 100 km per day, one can not deliver the car at a different point from the pick-up, third-party insurance is not included in the basic price, just two groups of car and the cheapest car group begins with Smarts. Also if you want to extend the length of your rental period you have to go there and sign another contract, not possible by phone. That was the site I used to rent the car. Since I drove a lot, it became more expensive than any of the other three. I advise this site for short periods, less than 5 days and if not driving more than 100 km a day, in that case it is the best deal. I was afraid I could be given a smart so I booked one period of 4 days, time I spent in Hessen, and then another longer one, so as in case I got a smart I could stay just for fours days and then upgrade. It turned out just the opposite- I was given a Meriva at first, two upgrades for free, since no smarts were available, however when renewing there were lots of Smarts at the parking lot at Hahn airport, so had to beg to be given a Fiesta instead, so it is hit and miss. But at sixti you do have a chance of be given a Smart, it almost happened to me.
Then there is the www.sixt.com –tricky, isn’t it?, I did not know the difference. Trough this site, the official for sixt, you have a bigger selection of cars, the basic rate is higher but no charged extras, free mileage and third part insurance included, it is also possible to deliver the car at a different location for no extra fare and to extend the length of your rental period by phone. Recomended for periods of more than five days.
Then there is http://www.amigoautos.es/ , I found it to be the best deal for long periods, more than one week, otherwise is expensive. Cars begin with polo/fiestas(no smarts) and everything is included, insurance and free mileage. Also possible to deliver the car at different location. It is a car booker which books from sixt in Germany, so they are the same cars.
And last another booker, this was a tip from the girl at the counter at the airport, http://www.holidaycars.com, it works with several car rental agencies but generally not with sixt. Excellent rates also, more or less the same price as amigosauto. So depending on length and kms of the rentals one of the four will be the best option.
Regarding access to the clubs, I took my TomTom 720 bought about six months ago and had no problem at all to get to any club, even gas stations, shops, whatever. I do envy those of you who manage to get to the clubs only using maps, even with google maps and the stuff, I would not be able to, or at least would take much longer. As for the costs of the rental versus public trasportation, if you choose the correct rental agency(which I did not this time, it costed me more)it costs something like 25 euros a day, public transportation including a taxi may cost more.
Travelerb69.
Great info Traveler69. One thing also worth noting is that the prices can vary for different sites of the same company. For example, renting VW Golf for 4 days in June (over a weekend) costs £118 on avis.co.uk, $223 (£112) on avis.com and €262 (£202) on avis.de so it's worth having a look on the .com, .co.uk and .de sites of each major rental firm as you could end up saving quite a bit of money.
Well over the last few months I have delved into the FKK scene across various parts of Germany including:
Palace, Oase, World, Dolce Vita, Bernd's, Villa.
Although I've come to the conclusion that there are many other variables that contribute to the experience outside of just the place and the girls, such as your mood, energy levels, languages spoken etc, which is why everyone always has different opinions. Pretty much each of my experiences were great, especially my first 2 consecutive days at Palace (my first FKK experience). Just like any first experience, they are often the best.
I had many many amazing experiences, a couple of not so great (got ripped off big time at Villa by Roxanne who everyone should STAY AWAY FROM), spent thousands of Euros and generally had a ball.
So how would I rate these clubs starting with the best:
World. Yes I rate this the best. Why? The complex is amazing, it is huge, has much of everything, best facilities of any club and a huge amount of space to really relax in. You can really be where all the activity is in the bar, or away from it all in the huge outdoor area. This was fantastic the other day since the weather was great. Also entry currently only €50. The Girls are generally high quality, most speak good English and provide a very good service. I'm really looking forward to my return and will definitely do when the weather is hot again so I can really enjiy the facilities and spend a full day there. Also quite a bit out of the way, about 40km from central Frankfurt so you'll need a car.
Palace. I rate this 2nd best. Would have been first had I not decided last minute to go to World (and glad I did). Palace was my first FKK experience and I went 2 days in a row, so I may be slightly biased by this. Over these 2 days I had about 8 or so sessions and every single one of them was great. My best sesion was with a half Italian half Greek girl, can't remember her name (I know this doesnt help, but I had a full list of notes that I lost! ). Very passionate. You can't really go wrong here, plenty of girls, all speak English. Also some good areas to relax so you're not always in the middle of it all, and very close to central Frankfurt, only about €10 in a cab. I will definitely be going back again (and again and again hopefully). The only questionable experience was with Vanessa, tall gorgeous girl with a log tattoo on her back. Well actually the session was great, it just that I had to pay €100 for a service which should cost €50 and waited till we got to the room to tell me I had to pay €100 if I wanted a full GFE which everyone else there charges €50. Also, I have to say that I think Palace probably has the best selection of girls.
Oase comes in third for me. Again, very good facilities, good outside area which I didn't get to use because was mid-winter, but will go there again in summer. Very good selection of girls, and all round very good services, a couple of outstanding ones, but again since I lost my notes can't give names. This place isn't close to central Frankfurt, was about €40 or €50 in a cab. Probably quite easy if you have your own car. Actually I got the S-Bahn to the closet station and a short cab ride from there, but a cab back home since it was after 4am. Lost of good Kino action here, seems like the done thing before most sessions. Didn't experience any rip-offs, just a bit of upselling, like anywhere else really. Defintely recommended.
I know at this point the real FKK experts will be annoyed by lack of mention of Bernds so far. I had very high expectations for this place given the reports by our seasoned professionals. I drove quite far out of the way to get there and was dissapointed by a few things. The place is quite small. It is 2 levels but still small and crammed. This does set a tone for lots of interaction and a close party feel which normally I'd say is great. Problem was, pretty much nobody spoke English! I know this is my problem not theirs, I am a visitor after all, but still. I found it very hard to get involved and had there not been a couple of guys who struck up conversation with me, I would hardly have spoken to anyone. Even the lady in charge couldn't speak English. I only had one session and it was fantastic. The girl wears very interesting Ugg Boots. I found her to be very sexy and beautiful and she has an amazing oral technique. A great session and I'd highly recommend her. I'm glad I went there, but not sure I'd go back. And you definitely need a car for this one.
Next on the list is Dolce Vita. This is a smallish club in Dusseldorf. They are currently also completing the outside area which involves a pool or spa etc. This club seems like a bit of a nightclub, good music, sometimes people dancing, several men dresed in normal clothes etc.
The girls were OK, a few very good looking ones. There is 'no' entry fee but they do €30 extra on the first session (50+30) and 50 for each after that. You also need to spend at least €20 at the bar. So basically a €50 entry including €20 drinks. The noteable session was with a girl with a mame starting with D. She is young looking, very petite, constantly on the pole dancing and looks quite a bit like Avril Lavigne. So had to have her. Great session, lots of DATY and she loves it and very sexy in the room. I'd do her again. Also had a great session with another girl. A few other others I could have done.
Villa comes in last on this list. An amazing looking building. I did expect a bit more from the inside given the looks of the place from the outside, but I found that there wasnt really that much space. Still a very impressive place. Again my biggest problem here was the Girl's lack of English. Not being able to speak to the girls really hampers the experience. That said, I had an absolutely amazing experience with a girl named Monica (I think). She was Polish, spoke no English but literally came over to me sat down, realised we could speak and started giving me amazing oral right there on the couch. We then went to a room where she really gave me lots and lots of great oral. She was really working hard for a FT finish. We then got into a great 69 for a while before she flipped me over, mounted me and rode me until the finish. I really enjoyed the session and was €50 well spent. Would probably have had a second session if I could find her again. There were a couple of other hot girls there but in general not the best quality, and also found them quite aggresive too. Then the biggest rip-off happened. I was tired of waiting around so approached Roxanne (Romanian from memory) She was quite sexy so we sat for a while and had a chat for a bit. I wanted to go to a room but she said she was going to do a pole dance first. So I sat and watched, got quite horny. When she finished, she sat down with me, and her friend on the other side (I knew where this was going). So the first ripoff happened when she said she felt like champagne after her long dance. Now I have no idea why I agreed and normally would never. I should have gotten up and gone to another girl. Anyway, I spent the €100 for the champagen for the three of us. Then it all started on the couch. 2 girls all over me, giving me oral, kissing me, letting me DATY etc. In the midst of it all one of them asked if I liked a 'lesbi' show. Who would say no to this (well normally me because of the cost.) but didn't really think and said yes, so they started kissing. Licking eachother, licking me etc etc, all this still on the couch in front of everyone. So at this point I was ready to go to a room at which point they dropped the bombshell that I already owed them €100 each, plus the €100 champagne and I I wanted to finish I'd have to pay another €50 each for standard or €100 each for 'lesbi'. I wasnt happy about this, so after much discussion I agreed to take only Roxanne to the room. I must admit it was a good session. But after all that she had the gall to ask for €100 for the session. I didn't even bother arguing. So all in all was a very good experience, except that it cost me €400. €400 can usually go quite a long way in a FKK. So I was pissed off about, and she really did use every trick to get as much out of me as possible. I would stay away from her. Don't think id go back to this club. They have so much space but haven't made good use of it.
This list is far from exhaustive, and intend on adding to it.
Also could have given all the details on the sessions and girls had I not lost the list.
So my summary so far.
The FKK experience is definitely the best mongering experience. You can't really go wrong.
Very much looking forward to the next one.
Good Mongering to all.
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I need to concentrate on brunettes and dark haired girls next time at Palace and Oase. Maybe I need to stay at World as I recalled numerous brunettes and dark haired girls there whereas Palace and Oase was more blonde girls. Anyway that is my opinion of what the line ups are like so my apologies to those that disagree.
I made an unscheduled stop at Oase yesterday due to a missed flight and an extra 3 hours to wait till my next flight. I didn't count them, and since all are shaved it's impossible to tell who's a real blonde, but I would estimate that there were an equal number of blondes to brunettes. I think that this is very artificial criteria to decide who would be a better session.
IMHO, deciding who to session with has nothing to do with hair color, boob size, age or body type, unless you are so particular that only one of these will get you off. It all has to do with the SP's attitude, acceptance of her career choice, quality of service and what I call OOBA (Out of Bedroom Attitude). As opposed to hair, body type, etc. this is impossible to quantify, or to simply judge by looks.
Oase kino that customers that pay well, are gentle and polite are approved and preferred clients for any girl.
This is also true and the main criteria by which the girls "choose", as opposed to a previous poster's claim, that SP prefer or refuse to give service to men of certain ethnic origins. And, they definitely share this information amongst themselves, constantly. I have been approached in clubs many times by SP, who I later discovered were sent my way by their colleagues (and yes, this can often be by ethnic/country origins- Germans speak to Germans, Romanians to Romanians, Spanish speakers to Spanish speakers)
I am not sure what peace is being broken between the blondes and brunettes. I tend (in general) to see the blondes sitting together and the brunettes sitting together.
In most cases the women sit together based on common language, not hair color. Yesterday at Oase, the weather was beautiful and dinner was served outside(solves the back of the bar problem). There was a table of Romanians eating together, Russians, and another of Germans. Mixed hair colors all around...
I do get less hassles and needing to brush off girls now because that message seems out about my preferences. Maybe it was worth it for that peace factor as I do receive the girls I like and not the ones I do not like.
Then in saying that I see your point the future implication that when my faves move on and no longer inhabit Oase that I may get a frosty welcome when I start trying out the girls that I had turned down previously and get cold service as they think I am going with them only because my faves are not working no more.
Unless, you plan on becoming a regular at one club, so much so that you are instantly recognizable when you walk in by the women who are permanent fixtures, I wouldn't worry about this. There's a high SP turnover rate, and between your trips, they will have many sessions with customers, so unless you have a distinctive visible trademark (like one of the experienced posters here who brings his own personal blue robe), it's hard to believe that they will remember your preferences from one visit to the next.
I'll post a short report in the Oase thread on my short Oase visit. BTW- I had 3 sessions (all dark haired).
Njoy...
Unless, you plan on becoming a regular at one club, so much so that you are instantly recognizable when you walk in by the women who are permanent fixtures, I wouldn't worry about this. There's a high SP turnover rate, and between your trips, they will have many sessions with customers, so unless you have a distinctive visible trademark (like one of the experienced posters here who brings his own personal blue robe), it's hard to believe that they will remember your preferences from one visit to the next.
Njoy...
Does my fat wallet stuffed with Euros count as a distinguishing feature?
Does my fat wallet stuffed with Euros count as a distinguishing feature?
No- I have one of those too.
But a big, fat, stuffed c*ck would earn you immortal fame...
Jackyo,
To me, Europe is the place to walk. I can afford a rental car, but I would rather take pulic transportation and walk off a bit calories of travelling. (In 2002, Euro was still .8$, when I stayed there for a month).
Could you please give some details in terms getting to some clubs with public transportation? I know how to get to Samya from the central station. Could you provide a route for Sudbad or other clubs you would recommend? I think WanKing used to do that for all the places he goes if I am not mistaken. But it would great to have it in a cental location available for every one.
Thank you very much.
Tom
... they are ALL reachable by public transport.
I used to routinely rent a car during my trips but several years ago I decided to give up car rentals as a form of penance. This is my way of making up for the very poor performance of the US dollar versus the Euro.
I am, therefore, usually Autolos in Deutschland (would make a good title for a movie, nicht wahr?)
For those who've not been at this for very long, there was a time when the Euro to the dollar rate was $0.85 to Euro 1.00. You know where it is these days.
The question is: how much time do you have to figure out the transfers and the fare system? With unlimited time you can get anywhere.
In Duesseldorf you can do the following very easily: La Bedo, Blue Note, Dolce Vita, Living Room, PT Mettmann (you should not go Mettmann though without signing a waiver saying you won't bad mouth the visuals of the selection) and PT Krefeld. In Koeln it would be Samya and Sudbad (but the Verbindung with Bernds is very new so I don't know what you will find there). Wiago in Leverkusen is also easy and only involves a short walk. In Bonn you can get to Bernds (and the sucessor club to Calygula) but it will require a change to a bus at Hennef (this is very uncomplicated but it may throw you off).
With the exception of Bernds, the list above is of "one shot" public transport clubs: you take an S-bahn or U-bahn or Strassenbahn, get off at the correct stop and you walk the rest of the way. There are no changes necessary.
I am a purist, by the way. When I decide I want to get somewhere via public transport, I won't break the rules by taking a cab. Anything less than a couple of kilometers I consider to be walkable (besides I need to work off the nervous energy before and after a club visit).
The legendary Kaleu was a man obsessed about this. He didn't own a car and figured out that there was a way to get to every club by public tranport or by bumming a ride from someone who offered a Mitfahrgelegenheit.
Basketcase
05-09-08, 07:07
I had many many amazing experiences, a couple of not so great (got ripped off big time at Villa by Roxanne who everyone should STAY AWAY FROM)Hi Ozpunter,
When you say the venue was Villa do you mean Villa Vertigo in NordRhein Westfalen or somewhere else? Sorry, I am still fairly new to knowing about all the various sauna clubs and FKKs to recognise that a reference to Villa is the same as reference to Villa Vertigo.
I was at Villa Vertigo a few weekends ago and had two excellent sessions with a Roxanna of Poland. She spoke excellent English as she lived in the UK for a while. Roxanna had long blonde hair (probably had extensions), freckled face, silicon D cup boobs recently done, a medium frame and curvy. I liked her arse as well - it felt lovely to grope her arse. If the venue we are talking about is the same and the girl is the same then I did not find her a rip off. She did all the deeds for €50 each session with gusto.
You say your girl Roxanne was Romanian, but my Roxanna (ending with an "a" and not an "e") was Polish. Her other blonde friend Adriana of Poland spoke no English at all. I tried asking if she had a school girl outfit or a nurse's outfit as I thought she would look so sexy in it. Sorry - its a British thing to have girls dressed in uniforms like nurses, air hostesses, school girls.
Are we talking about the same person here?
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
Vito Corleone
05-09-08, 12:34
Who cares about their attitudes towards specific people, they are *****s, they get paid to fuck and act nice while we are there. They could say whatever they want behind our backs.
That's the spirit!
Does my fat wallet stuffed with Euros count as a distinguishing feature?
.. a fat wallet with Euros when you are in the nude. :)
I know at this point the real FKK experts will be annoyed by lack of mention of Bernds so far. I had very high expectations for this place given the reports by our seasoned professionals. I drove quite far out of the way to get there and was dissapointed by a few things. The place is quite small. It is 2 levels but still small and crammed. This does set a tone for lots of interaction and a close party feel which normally I'd say is great. Problem was, pretty much nobody spoke English! I know this is my problem not theirs, I am a visitor after all, but still. I found it very hard to get involved and had there not been a couple of guys who struck up conversation with me, I would hardly have spoken to anyone. Even the lady in charge couldn't speak English. I only had one session and it was fantastic. The girl wears very interesting Ugg Boots. I found her to be very sexy and beautiful and she has an amazing oral technique. A great session and I'd highly recommend her. I'm glad I went there, but not sure I'd go back. And you definitely need a car for this one.
Yes, the place is small and cramped.
Yes, they mostly don't speak English... and I hope they keep it this way. It adds to its appeal that its not an English speaking club. Lots of locals and local flavor, which is perfectly fine. The large tourist type clubs are better set up for non-locals.
No, you don't need a car to get to it. Its quite accessible by public transport but you have to know how to make the train to bus connection at Hennef.
Does anyone want to start a Bernds bashing thread? :)
CBGBConnisur
05-09-08, 17:20
These girls could not care less about the size of your cock, they are in business to get your Euros, that's all. If your cock was all that mattered you do not need to visit a *****house. While they offer service that is much better than most places, its all just an act. FKKs usually depend on repeat business, so they need to give customers and excuse for coming back. Being a ***** and treating clients like crap won't get them repeat business.
Frank Dallas
05-09-08, 20:59
27 days to go before I amaze Euro optifucks with my charm, grace and fumbling old man skills. Hope to meet some of you legends, you will know me just by talking to me
So. On that A5 corridor (I decided to stay in Bad Homburg for the first leg of my trip) including Frankfurt, and up to World where is the best Wurst? Whats the local delicacy? Any great Turkish food?
I'm not interested in tourist traps, I like the small joints where the locals go.
Also. And this maybe really dumb. I am thinking of being a gypsy during the second leg of my trip. I will start off in Frankfurt but then need to head to Saarland for a day. I have been thinking of using FKKs for showers and grooming as well as pipe cleaning and scratching the cost of a hotel as I wander around. I can put hotel $$ into a super luxury car instead. How do the Polizei view strange Americans catching naps in vehicles. Although if they look at where I am from and understand geography they will figure I have been sleeping rough before.
If you see a white haired lightly tatooed pudgy little dude thats me by the way.
Basketcase
05-10-08, 12:01
Actually, I think they talk about little else with each other. I suspect, you were the main topic of discussion amongst the ladies at Oase this weekend. You better go with a brunette soon, or you are liable to have a lot of angry young ladies from the non-blond contingent on your hands.Yes, the girls all talk about their clients with each other. Just like us guys talk about the girls on this forum or during our visits to the FKKs and sauna clubs. The feedback is conclusive that they do so.
The Romanians talk with the Romanians, the Germans talk with the Germans, the Poles talk with the Poles and so forth. As you say I think I got quite a reputation this past weekend with my multiple sessions of one hour or more and also upgrading with extras each time too. I had a line up of blondes after me knowing I had a weakness for blondes to the dismay of the brunette contingent who complained to you and our other companion that LBC will never pick dark haired girls or brunettes regardkess that they still have great assets and very pretty. I did ont realise the extent until the points of even hearing it in other conversations.
You did not meet our companion from Hong Kong who I met that day and spent time with by the pool in the sunshine. He was a cool guy and had a thing for Tom Cruise and his shades (Shades of Hong Kong). LOL. He said during his session with a dark haired blonde from Hungary that even his girl even talked about me during his session. She would be sucking his cock and talk about me and what I liked doing in the room and what she preferred to do as opposed to me. LOL.
The Hong Kong guy came to see me afterwards incredulous that his paid for time was spent talking about me and what I liked doing in the room. I think it only came up because the cute Hungarian girl (I would like to go with as well for the record) saw the Hong Kong guy and me spending time together and thought we knew each other well.
In the rooms with some of my "girlfriends" I would get "oh yeah, I know, you want to do this position next and after the sex you like finishing this way or you want something a little different maybe?" or "I know you like me sucking you this way, with my long soft hair brushing you this way and me doing this with my hands as I suck you." I think I have my girls all well trained now and if I did session with an unknown they will know what I want since the word has gotten around.
So not only I am being accused breaking up the Oase peace by going with the blondes only but my sexual preferences are also discussed as well.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
...Also. And this maybe really dumb. I am thinking of being a gypsy during the second leg of my trip. I will start off in Frankfurt but then need to head to Saarland for a day. I have been thinking of using FKKs for showers and grooming as well as pipe cleaning and scratching the cost of a hotel as I wander around. I can put hotel $$ into a super luxury car instead. How do the Polizei view strange Americans catching naps in vehicles. Although if they look at where I am from and understand geography they will figure I have been sleeping rough before... Oh man, you are in for a treat. They will haul your ass to the station, dress you up as Cindarella and shove a big stick up your ass and then tell you to dance the funky chicken.
There are rest stops all over and you will be fine catching a nap in your car at one of those.
Also. And this maybe really dumb. I am thinking of being a gypsy during the second leg of my trip. I will start off in Frankfurt but then need to head to Saarland for a day. I have been thinking of using FKKs for showers and grooming as well as pipe cleaning and scratching the cost of a hotel as I wander around. I can put hotel $$ into a super luxury car instead. How do the Polizei view strange Americans catching naps in vehicles. Although if they look at where I am from and understand geography they will figure I have been sleeping rough before.
Depends on when you want to sleep and were...ive done it many times and never once got hastled by anyone. I always use the rest stops on the freeways ...prefer those that have alot of truck/car's parked already.
Basketcase
05-10-08, 21:39
[QUOTE=Frank Dallas]Also. And this maybe really dumb. I am thinking of being a gypsy during the second leg of my trip. I will start off in Frankfurt but then need to head to Saarland for a day. I have been thinking of using FKKs for showers and grooming as well as pipe cleaning and scratching the cost of a hotel as I wander around. I can put hotel $$ into a super luxury car instead. How do the Polizei view strange Americans catching naps in vehicles. Although if they look at where I am from and understand geography they will figure I have been sleeping rough before.QUOTE]
Frank Dallas and all,
I am having the same thoughts. I am thinking I spend so little time in my paid for hotel room that since I have a hire car, that I just sleep in the car and have my morning regime in the club - shave, toliet, etc... as it opens early enough. If I leave the clubs at say 1am (for NRW), drive to find a rest spot - sleep to 9 to 10am, get breakfast and then be at opening time at 10 am or 11 am with my toliet bag to clean myself up. The facilities in the clubs are all there.
I think I would do this more so in NRW as I would have a hire car there but not in Frankfurt as I find public transport and taxi combos gets me to my two fave clubs of Oase and Palace cheaper and just as easy as a hire car. NRW with the distance from regular and convenient transport hubs definitely needs a car.
The clubs stay open later in Frankfurt making the window of time when the club is closed very short - like only 5 hours in a 24 hour cycle on a Friday or Saturday. If one stayed that whole time in the club then the need for a room is even less.
I know sleeping in a car is not the best sleep to give you the vigor to do 4-6 girls again the next day but it saves a few expensive euros. I can sleep/nap in the club as I cannot session for 19 hours a day in Frankfurt or 14 hours a day say in the NRW sauna clubs.
The feedback so far and some of the reports I have read of others is that this sort of behaviour has been done. I expect to only do this the one night as I fly in one day and out the next day.
Just a consideration.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
Yes, the girls all talk about their clients with each other.Generally I don't think this is true at all.
Maybe in specific cases like LBC's where there is a specific interest in it for them. Sometimes on other instances too (usually negative), yes. Like the panic that set in at Finca one time when a bunch of about 10 Iranians turned up. Not one of the girls would session with them. Not a single one. I don't know why, they seemed OK to me. I only found out they were Iranian, when I asked one of the girls what all the whispering fuss was about.
But generally, conversations I have overheard (a favourite pastime of mine, I must admit) are about anything other than clients and cocks and that. That's just too boring for them. I think you'd be surprised at just how vacuous most of those conversations are: shoes, make-up, boyfriends etc.
Funny sometimes. At Oase yesterday I heard one hottie telling another that she had a new boyfriend. That's greaaaat, gushed her friend, all enthusiastic, gagging for the details. "Well, of course, we've only just met and all he wants is sex. So, I get out of here after twelve hours, get home and then he wants to start. My life's just one suck and fuck at the moment." Gales of whooping laughter from the girls around her.
I know at this point the real FKK experts will be annoyed by lack of mention of Bernds so far. I had very high expectations for this place given the reports by our seasoned professionals. I drove quite far out of the way to get there and was dissapointed by a few things. The place is quite small. It is 2 levels but still small and crammed. This does set a tone for lots of interaction and a close party feel which normally I'd say is great. Problem was, pretty much nobody spoke English! I know this is my problem not theirs, I am a visitor after all, but still. I found it very hard to get involved and had there not been a couple of guys who struck up conversation with me, I would hardly have spoken to anyone. Even the lady in charge couldn't speak English. I only had one session and it was fantastic. The girl wears very interesting Ugg Boots. I found her to be very sexy and beautiful and she has an amazing oral technique. A great session and I'd highly recommend her. I'm glad I went there, but not sure I'd go back. And you definitely need a car for this one.
So did it meet your high expectations or not? I don't know why you were disappointed. For good reason, Bernd's reports never have glowing accounts of the facility, and it's probably been described here tens of times as just a suburban German private house and well as written here tens of times, that you need some rudimentary German language skills ( and believe me, mine are very rudimentary) and social skills to be part of the gang and really get the most out of the experience.
We don't go to Bernd's for the food, decor, size, or scintillating English conversation. We go because of the quality of the sessions, the service, the slutty 70's ambience, the in your face raw sex, the raunchiness, and guys have been going back for decades for the same reasons. You had 1 session (If you went all the way out there why only 1 session?) and it was great. They usually are. Great. Unfortunate situations like you had in Palace and Villa never happen in Bernd's, because the hands-on management would never allow them.
I understand where you're coming from- there's a lack of facilities to spend your downtime, and if you can't insinuate yourself into the dialogue and flow and feel awkward due to lack of language and shyness, you may feel uncomfortable and want to get the hell out of there as quick as you can. It takes repeat visits, time and patience, but in the end it pays off with incredible sessions almost every time. Sow and ye shall reap....
Basketcase
05-11-08, 00:09
Depends on when you want to sleep and were...ive done it many times and never once got hastled by anyone. I always use the rest stops on the freeways ...prefer those that have alot of truck/car's parked already.
Breadman,
What if the times spent sleeping in the car were between 1:30am and 9am in the morning somewhere in Brueggen. Maybe in the various carparks around the village?
I have parked in those car parks and I have found a couple to be quite empty. They are free parking if I am not mistaken. I am not talking about the car parks close to the castle with the moat but the ones on the other side away of the town centre, but walkable to the centre in 5 minutes.
Regards
Londonbasketcase
Oh man, you are in for a treat. They will haul your ass to the station, dress you up as Cindarella and shove a big stick up your ass and then tell you to dance the funky chicken.
Dude,
You have been hanging with me much too long.
Cheers,
Ded
Vito Corleone
05-11-08, 22:38
Oh man, you are in for a treat. They will haul your ass to the station, dress you up as Cindarella and shove a big stick up your ass and then tell you to dance the funky chicken.
& have sex with a blow up doll while practicing 1 handed push ups!
Frank Dallas
05-12-08, 01:26
The only way I'm doing one handed push ups is with someone pumpin a hydraulic jack :)
When you say the venue was Villa do you mean Villa Vertigo in NordRhein Westfalen or somewhere else?
You say your girl Roxanne was Romanian,
Are we talking about the same person here?
LondonbasketcaseI'm talking about FKK Villa in Hannover. http://www.fkk-villa.de/index.php
The Roxanne I had was definitely Romanian. In fact her sister also works there at Villa.
Like I said, overall the session wasnt the problem, its just that she completely ripped me off in order to get to the session.
OzPunter
So did it meet your high expectations or not?I think as I said, often these things come down to mood etc. For example, I had a long day, just had my luggage lost, drove for quite a long time and really felt like I needed a 'party'. So when I got there, it took a hell of a lot more effort to get in the mood (my fault, not theirs). The session I had was fantastic, and I could see others having great sessions (literally).
Just that sometimes you feel like having a bit of a chat with the girls and relaxing for a few hours. I found I couldn't do this.
So in short, the session was great, right up there with the best, but the location and language effected my experience. So if you speak German, Bernd's overall is a great place.
Yes, the place is small and cramped.
Yes, they mostly don't speak English... and I hope they keep it this way. It adds to its appeal that its not an English speaking club. Lots of locals and local flavor, which is perfectly fine. The large tourist type clubs are better set up for non-locals.Agreed. I do like the small hands-on clubs, and can see why they are much loved, but my lack of any serious German hampers me here. So until then, i may have to stick to the larger clubs, even though i hate being in the "tourist" bucket
breadman,
what if the times spent sleeping in the car were between 1:30am and 9am in the morning somewhere in brueggen. maybe in the various carparks around the village?
i have parked in those car parks and i have found a couple to be quite empty. they are free parking if i am not mistaken. i am not talking about the car parks close to the castle with the moat but the ones on the other side away of the town centre, but walkable to the centre in 5 minutes.
regards
londonbasketcase
just be careful as to where you park.
some of those autobahnplarkplatzes have a sex scene to them too. there is a gay sex scene too.
reminds me of the parking place scene from "there is something about mary", the movie.
how does that go? he gets out to [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) and only then realizes he isn't alone. there are all these guys wandering out there looking for other guys. and then the cops come and pick him up.
in scandinavia i've been told there you can just pitch a tent anywhere, even on somebody's property. i don't think you can do this just anywhere in germany.
CBGBConnisur
05-13-08, 17:42
I prefer a real bed and a room to sleeping in car. But that is just me. Sleeping rough is doable though.
The girls at Finca ran away when they saw the Iranians coming?? Not surprising. Probably did that because of the large group. If it was one I doubt they would care. I saw one ethnic looking guy at Dorsten who was getting along real good with the girls there, but he was a loner. He reminded me of the cult leader from Indiana Jones.
Frank Dallas
05-13-08, 19:42
I'm still waiting for food advice guys.
One must fuel the machine!
Frank Dallas
05-13-08, 19:46
By the way, I forgot to ask, do you regulars bring your own flip flops (or bath sandals or shower sandals or beach sandals or whatever you call them in your own slang)...I can buy a new set since all I have is my Tevas or my Hello Kitty flip flops (and I'm sure the girls will look askance at those)
Breadman,
What if the times spent sleeping in the car were between 1:30am and 9am in the morning somewhere in Brueggen. Maybe in the various carparks around the village?
I have parked in those car parks and I have found a couple to be quite empty.
You could also chop down some shrubs after you park to camouflage your car, just make sure you leave a small opening for you to get in and out.
Or if you drive behind the club down the sidestreet towards heidi camp, you can sleep with the camel...yes, I said camel...im sure he'd keep you nice and warm.
But to answer your question...I highly suggest that you NOT sleep in the public parking in brueggen, especially if its empty. If you HAVE to sleep in the car in the city, consider parking in a hotel's parking lot (risky also, someone might spot your car pulling in and notice nobody comes out and calls the cops).
Problem is sleeping in the car is hard to hide from those walking by your car...and they seem to walk around alot in small towns like Brueggen. Maybe throw some ketchup all over yourself and leave a knife in plain view...that should keep the nosy neighbors away...and any serial killers on the hunt. Probably won't keep away the necrophiliac's though.
By the way, I forgot to ask, do you regulars bring your own flip flops (or bath sandals or shower sandals or beach sandals or whatever you call them in your own slang)...I can buy a new set since all I have is my Tevas or my Hello Kitty flip flops (and I'm sure the girls will look askance at those)
Hey,
Bring your own if going to Oase. Those showers slipper there are filled with science projects that we cannot imagine.
You can stop at a Schlecker, DM, Rossmann, or any other "Drogeriemarkt" and pick up decent bath sandals on the cheap. About 5 Euros or so.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Basketcase
05-14-08, 20:37
I'm still waiting for food advice guys.
One must fuel the machine!
**Koylu Doner in Frankfurt**
Koylu Doner in Frankfurt
Paradiesgasse 65
60594 Frankfurt Main
Tel: 069 628913
"Best Doner in Town" per its own advert
A senior member of this forum took another friend and myself to this place during an interlude from the debauchery of Oase. Food beckoned after I had spent one hour with an outgoing personality, slim, B cupped, leggy long haired green eyed blonde. The funny story was that before heading out for food my two companions were timing my session and had bet whether I would be over 1 hour or bang (no pun intended) on 1 hour. Germanic timing came through and I was returned to my two companions in one hour by the Blonde as promised by her to them.
We left Oase and headed to the Left bank of the Main river for Paradiegasse and to Koylu Doner. It as an area of late night bars, and takeways which were predominately Middle Eastern. Reminded me a bit of little Beirut in London's Edgeware Road. Three doner kebabs were ordered and were delivered in quick succession - about €4 each if I recall correctly. These doners are in a German leavened bread with a crust, decent portions of salad and the seasoned doner meat was from whole cuts of lamb not minced up pieces. I put just herb yoghurt on mine but you could also have garlic and chilly sauce. The doner kebabs filled the spot and then it was time for return to Oase for late night sessions before bed.
Regards
Londonbasketcase
Basketcase
05-14-08, 20:43
By the way, I forgot to ask, do you regulars bring your own flip flops (or bath sandals or shower sandals or beach sandals or whatever you call them in your own slang)...I can buy a new set since all I have is my Tevas or my Hello Kitty flip flops (and I'm sure the girls will look askance at those)
I always fear what is in the sandals when I pick them up from Oase especially. I am less fearful of the sandals at Palace and at Goldentime. These sandals are perpetualy wet from procuring them from the shelf to showering in them and walking around in them. I am continuing wiping them down with refuse spare towels. There is disinfectant that you can spray on them but I just wonder if it stays on that long when you shower regularly.
I have seen guys wear their own robes and sandals but as I am a traveller and come with just an overnight bag for my dirty weekends at the FKKs I do not have the capacity to lug a thick warm robe and personalised sandals from Blighty.
I just wear the standard uniform like the majority of visitors. Having your own gear makes you look like a seasoned FKKer. I think there is something in that.
Regards
Londonbasketcase
Basketcase
05-14-08, 20:54
You could also chop down some shrubs after you park to camouflage your car, just make sure you leave a small opening for you to get in and out.
I would not have the tools to be a SAS type and go undercover in the brush. Since I only take carry on luggage when I fly for my dirty weekends I do not take any metal instruments with me to Germany. I have done living off the land training before in my younger days but now I like my comforts and my paid for girlfriends.
Or if you drive behind the club down the sidestreet towards heidi camp, you can sleep with the camel...yes, I said camel...im sure he'd keep you nice and warm.
I am intrigued now. I am staying at Camp Gastro Heide and as I will be there during the day I will look out for the camel. I take it is a he and not a she.
But to answer your question...I highly suggest that you NOT sleep in the public parking in brueggen, especially if its empty. If you HAVE to sleep in the car in the city, consider parking in a hotel's parking lot (risky also, someone might spot your car pulling in and notice nobody comes out and calls the cops).
Thank you for the advice on if it is a good idea to sleep in the public car parks of Bruggen in a hire car. I have booked rooms in various hotels or pensions of Bruggen so I do have a proper bed and access to running water to bathe in. See the Goldentime thread for my list of three hotels for my three nights in Bruggen.
Problem is sleeping in the car is hard to hide from those walking by your car...and they seem to walk around alot in small towns like Brueggen. Maybe throw some ketchup all over yourself and leave a knife in plain view...that should keep the nosy neighbors away...and any serial killers on the hunt. Probably won't keep away the necrophiliac's though.
I appreciate what you are saying. I would be disturbed by curious locals wondering who is this outlander fellow sleeping in his car in our beautiful picture postcard town? Maybe I get picked up for vagrancy?
The reality is that I was just considering it and was wondering about the logistics as I do not spend much time in my room given the extended times I am in the clubs. Less so in NRW as the clubs close at 1am and not like 5am or 4am as in Hesse.
Cheers,
Londonbasketcase
Frank Dallas
05-14-08, 22:04
Or if you drive behind the club down the sidestreet towards heidi camp, you can sleep with the camel...yes, I said camel...im sure he'd keep you nice and warm.
B.Thank god its a he otherwise I would say you found my long lost Ex Wife :)
Thanks for the info re Donner kebabs and sandals...Hello Kitty flip flops and a trip there it is!
23 days
A little common sense goes a long way, so think things thru before putting the car in park. You don't want to be drinking and driving while looking for a spot to park, nor looking for a spot where pedestrians might be walking the dog past your car. And you don't want to be the only car in a parking lot, your car will really stand out. Put yourself into a policeman's mind...what is he looking for?
You can park almost anywhere there are alot of cars parked overnight, preferably a place where people don't live at and might notice your car as odd. A hotel with a very large parking lot works great as long as the lot isn't completely full...and the lot allows you to park far enough away from the entrance and any security camera's that might be around the hotel. Lots of hotels near the airport with large parking lots...these will always work fine. There aren't many cars parked at rest stops on the freeway's at midnight, more cars/trucks will start parking around 2am.
If your closing a club like Oase at 3am and planning a return at 10am, its easy to find a nice secure parking space at a rest stop on the freeway...just remember you'll have to turn around to head back to the club. Its also advisable to move your car when the lot starts emptying out around sunrise...find a parking spot away from everybody and you can sleep soundly until the club reopens. Restops also have bathrooms in case nature calls...parking at a hotel/public parking usually doesn't allow access to the facilities inside the hotel or someone's house.
After you park the car...no matter the size of the car, you normally can lower the back of the passenger seat pretty much flat. And since the steering wheel is on the other side of the car, there's nothing jabbing you while you nap. Highly suggested to make sure your car doors lock as well...my last rental car had no indoor lock control that i could see. When i rolled down the window and tried the door handle, was suprised that the door was unlocked. Had to lock the car with the remote. Also make sure the parking break is on and the stick shift in first...don't want to coast onto the freeway or into someone else's car.
My opinion on this...ive got no problem sleeping in the car as long as the club stays open late into the evening...and your not drinking. NRW clubs don't really lend themselves to this cost savings since they close too early and all of the serve beer. Id rather pay for a hotel than get busted for drinking and driving. If you need or want to do this cost saving alternative on a trip, do so with some care and common sense.
Basketcase
05-14-08, 22:48
I'm talking about FKK Villa in Hannover. http://www.fkk-villa.de/index.php
The Roxanne I had was definitely Romanian. In fact her sister also works there at Villa.
Like I said, overall the session wasnt the problem, its just that she completely ripped me off in order to get to the session.
OzPunter
OzPunter,
Thanks for the reply. FKK Villa is not the same as Villa Vertigo (VV) for my Roxanna of Poland angel. Roxanna gave me something special - I did with her in two successive sessions something that I have not managed with all the other girls and each session was €50. It would be just a simple thing to many of you but to me it as priceless since taught me something about myself which is invaluable. I have paid hundreds of euros to other girls and not got the same result. This is why I had to defend the honour of my Roxanna of Poland just like I must defend the honour of my dirty minx Angelina of Czech at Palace - the petite girl with the enormous natural rack that is perfectly boobed shaped.
I have not been to Hannover - thus far I have only visited NRW and Hesse. Once I have become more experienced I will branch out to the lesser discussed clubs and maybe one day have the balls and the German to withstand a Bernds visit. I wonder how long it wil ltake before I become a hardened FKKer and can withstand the in your face atmosphere of public couch action.
I have only say far built up to kino sex now from kino BBBJ and did my first one hour session (yes an entire hour) in the kino in my early May 08 trip. There was several rounds of DFK BBBJ, sex, more BBBJ, 69, back to several positions, DATY all in the front row with an audience on a couch.
Cheers,
Londonbasketcase
Basketcase
05-14-08, 23:12
My opinion on this...ive got no problem sleeping in the car as long as the club stays open late into the evening...and your not drinking. NRW clubs don't really lend themselves to this cost savings since they close too early and all of the serve beer. Id rather pay for a hotel than get busted for drinking and driving. If you need or want to do this cost saving alternative on a trip, do so with some care and common sense.
Breadman, I value your opinion (as well as the ribbing). Your logistics concur with mine that sleeping in car works better in the Hesse clubs that close at 4am or 5am and you are staying late to close the club and open that little bit earlier at 10am compared to NRW at 11am Mondays to Saturdays or 1pm on Sundays. Sleeping in cars in NRW requires more time in the car as the clubs close at 1am and open a hour later than the Hesse clubs.
As for alcohol, I am afraid you receive better value for money than I as I do not drink alcohol. I stick to tea, water, fruit juice and because I am on holiday I drink soft drinks (soda to Americans) with sugar. In saying that I am still 20 kilograms overweight. LOL.
Yes, point taken about using common sense. Thanks for the analysis on sleeping in cars.
Londonbasketcase
CBGBConnisur
05-15-08, 16:45
Some clubs have menus of take away establishments, I recall FKK Cocoon had them, if you want to order food. Doner places are all over Germany, I think in Wuppertal there were several by the train station. Not the best meal in the world but it fills you up, some places are clean others are filthy, kind of reminds me of Philly Cheesesteak but more Middle Eastern. A lot of the Arabs in the US run Cheesesteak and Fried Chicken places in the ghetto, if you are in the US and you see one its a sign you are in a not so nice part of town, these places wind up on the police blotter. In Australia the Doner is called a Kebab if its run by Muslims and a Souvlaki if its run by Greeks. I don't recall paying more than 2.50 to 3 EUR for Kebabs in Germany.
Basketcase
05-15-08, 19:27
Some clubs have menus of take away establishments
In Hesse I find the food at Palace quite palatable and also at World. Oase less so in terms of its main meals. I think this is why I see takeaway menus available at Oase for those wanting to order in take away food.
In NRW I found that PHG and VV had the best food and YY (I know its NL) the most fun as you get to cook your own meats. GT regardless of its line up had cafetaria style food akin to Oase. The pizza is a fun event at 10pm but the queues for 6pm dinner and 10pm pizza can be horrendous.
LBC
I have done this a number of times and never had a problem. Usually, it was after Atlantis or Oase closing time at 4 or 5 a.m.and I had a couple of hours wait for my flight out of FRA.
I have slept at highway reststops, but only the ones with gas stations where there are lots of trucks also parked for the night. I have also slept in gas stations and in particular the one in Kelsterbach, during the days when the airport gas station was closed. I think that the key is to pick a well lit area without pedestrian traffic, but not totally isolated so that you stick out like a sore thumb for potential mischief-doers.
You shouldn't have any problem with the polizei unless you are drunk or high. The one time that polizei approached me, I explained that I had driven alot the day before, and didn't want to be on the road when I was drowsy, and they were very happy with that explanation. Didn't they tell us in Driver's Ed that if we feel drowsy on the road we should pull over?
I was tempted to tell them that I had just spent the last 8 hours f*cking my brains out at an FKK. Would have been interesting to see their reaction to that...
CBGBConnisur
05-16-08, 18:08
Some clubs provide food but if you are late, you are out of luck at certain establishments. Living Room usually serves food in the evening, and it runs out quickly. The partytreffs usually serve meals as well. Babylon in Elsdorf usually offers food, in the past it offered drinks and nothing else, I actually preferred it then as the club had better looking women.
Some clubs have menus of take away establishments...
A dude I was hanging out with at GT had Chinese food delivered to him there. He told me he frequented PHG and VV also, and always had his food delivered. He thought the food at the clubs was terrible, although I didn't think what they had that night was too bad (I'm not exactly sure what it was because I avoided the meat and only ate noodles and salad....goulash, perhaps). When we started eating I got a whiff of his Chinese food. It smelled like shit. I don't just mean it smelled bad, although it certainly did. I mean it literally smelled of shit. Caveat emptor.
Went to Hamburg on a last minute trip, and it was pretty bad. Should have done research before hand since I did read there are a few clubs worth visiting. See report here under Hamburg.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=681
CBGBConnisur
05-18-08, 01:10
Food in general at most FKK clubs is nothing to write home about. Babylon has a buffet but it is fairly meager. A few others that serve food, don't serve anything special.
Samya in Cologne had really good food on the ocassions I was there.
I have done this a number of times and never had a problem. Usually, it was after Atlantis or Oase closing time at 4 or 5 a.m.and I had a couple of hours wait for my flight out of FRA.
In this case, it is much safer to drive to the airport and sleep in the rental car parking garage, if the attendant is not ther yet, or in the teminal, if you are able to return your car already.
I was tempted to tell them that I had just spent the last 8 hours f*cking my brains out at an FKK. Would have been interesting to see their reaction to that...
You would have been disappointed by the reaction you would have gotten. German Polizei does not care; a brothel or FKK is a legal business. The policemen really do like to participate in raids of the clubs, though, because then they get to ogle naked girls and later have something to talk about with their friends. Sure beats hunting down real criminals ...
Ekliges Lauern
05-18-08, 18:40
I'm planning my FKK jaunt through Deutschland next week. I'm planning on spending a couple of days in each of the following clubs:
Palace
Oase
Goldentime
Freudenbergstrasse 39
F39 will probably be my rainy day club. Anyway, I like these clubs for the following reasons:
1) Large and varied lineup. While I like European girls, I also like Asians, Africans, Latinas and Middle Eastern girls. The large lineup is what disqualifies Berndts and ColA in my book. And variety disqualifies World. This is why I really like F39. Every time I have visited they have had a good selection of non-European women.
2) Public and/or Kino action. This is what rules out PHG for me. I like public action and Kino sex as one gets a chance to check out the performance before committing.
3) An outdoor area would be nice, but between Oase and GT, I think I have the nice days covered.
4) I don't mind a certain sharkyness to the place. Hey, I like Palace, but both Oase and GT have their sharks as well. F39 is more the girl next door in Ruehrpott brothel. In other words, a non-sharky place with an unimpressive lineup does not beat out a sharky place with an impressive lineup.
OK, who will step up to the challenge and recommend a new stomping ground for me. Items 1 and 2 are very important to me. Recommendations?
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1) Large and varied lineup.
2) Public and/or Kino action.
3) An outdoor area would be nice, but between Oase and GT, I think I have the nice days covered.
OK, who will step up to the challenge and recommend a new stomping ground for me. Items 1 and 2 are very important to me. Recommendations?
I highly recommend Finca Erotica...has a nice lineup, is on the way north to Goldentime and has a great happy hour entry of 30 euro's before 2pm. Place had a nice lineup during the week...even more on the weekends. Got bbbj on one of the couch's from one of the girls, was told its allowed here but didnt see it happen other than that one time. Didn't see much action in the Kino since its upstairs.
CBGBConnisur
05-19-08, 04:29
Samya in Cologne had really good food on the ocassions I was there.
Partytreff Solingen usually has a very good buffet, I have not visited Samya yet.
Frank Dallas
05-20-08, 22:52
Old Frankie hits Frankfurt in 17 days and a wake up. Hes got his own flip flops, his cane (maybe not necessary), his laptop and his reading material. He's got a car and a place to stay in Bad Homburg. He has a choice between World and Oase.
He intends to make his stays an all day affair starting in the afternoon up to the wee hours, if his weenie doesnt drop off. He wants a relaxing time replete with some sun, clean facilities, edible food with decent take out available if necessary, luxurious surroundings and lots of hot, <u skinny</ chicks with at least a variety of non europeans. It needs to be a newbie friendly place.
What say ye...World or Oases and why?
I will end up going to both, but which one first?
Also any new word on the FKKs in Saarbruken?
He intends to make his stays an all day affair starting in the afternoon up to the wee hours, if his weenie doesnt drop off. He wants a relaxing time replete with some sun, clean facilities, edible food with decent take out available if necessary, luxurious surroundings and lots of hot, <u skinny</ chicks with at least a variety of non europeans. It needs to be a newbie friendly place.
What say ye...World or Oases and why?
Hey Frank,
Which day do you arrive?
Cheers,
Dedalus
Frank Dallas
05-20-08, 23:49
Hey Frank,
Which day do you arrive?
Cheers,
DedalusJune 6th! Clear customs! Get sea legs! Get car! Drive to Bad Homburg (with a few stops for some things I gots to do) Check in! Head to. Which one for my cherry breakin. FKK!
Does he head North on the A5? Or East and under the A5?
...He wants a relaxing time replete with some sun, clean facilities, edible food with decent take out available if necessary, luxurious surroundings and lots of hot, <u skinny</ chicks with at least a variety of non europeans. It needs to be a newbie friendly place.
What say ye...World or Oases and why?
I will end up going to both, but which one first?
"relaxing time" = World
"with some sun" = oh well, the sun is about the same
"clean facilities" = World
"edible food" = World
"take out available if necessary" = Don't remember seeing much of that at either place
"luxurious surroundings" = World
"hot chicks" = Oase
"Skinny chicks" = World
"Variety of non Europeans" = Oase
"newbie friendly place" = Even
Does old Frankie have a GPS? Oase can be a hard to find for the first time
"relaxing time" = World
"with some sun" = oh well, the sun is about the same
"clean facilities" = World
"edible food" = World
"take out available if necessary" = Don't remember seeing much of that at either place
"luxurious surroundings" = World
"hot chicks" = Oase
"Skinny chicks" = World
"Variety of non Europeans" = Oase
"newbie friendly place" = Even
Does old Frankie have a GPS? Oase can be a hard to find for the first time
I pretty much agree with Henio, although I am really partial to the hot World girls at the moment. Still, you can't loose on the Hot Factor at either place.
Both clubs will order a Gent Pizza, Chinese and a number of other take-out/delivery food options.
For me personally, I relax better at World after a long flight.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Frank Dallas
05-21-08, 01:45
Does old Frankie have a GPS? Oase can be a hard to find for the first timeOld Frankie has driven to both Clubs using google earth so may times Frankie has confidence he can find either without too much hair pulling out.
Frankie has been navigating all over the place for his entire life, starting with driving a Taxi in NYC back in the 80s. Frankie will get there :)
I'll be in Dusseldorf soon, but only have one day to myself for any FKK visits. Given that Cologne is only a half-hour train ride away, would I be better off visiting Samya rather than FKK Blue Note (which seems to be the best Dusseldorf has to offer)? I'm not familiar with German geography, so if there are other easy-to-reach FKKs near Dusseldorf that you'd recommend please let me know.
Thanks!
OK, who will step up to the challenge and recommend a new stomping ground for me. Items 1 and 2 are very important to me. Recommendations?
I don't like large clubs so I wouldn't recommend any of the large destination clubs in NRW: Goldentime, PHG.
Non-Euro women. This is another tough one. The Frankfurt RLD has a large selection of non-Euro women but you were interested in an FKK club.
Public and/or Kino action. Most PTs have a lot of public action but you didn't say you were interested in PTs. The most exhibitionistic FKK clubs are Bernds and the old Babylon and old Wiago. Blue Note has a very liberal attitude to public action but it is a small club which you might find claustrophobic.
I'm stumped.
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