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Basketcase

05-23-08, 07:28

June 6th! Clear customs! Get sea legs! Get car! Drive to Bad Homburg (with a few stops for some things I gots to do) Check in! Head to. Which one for my cherry breakin. FKK!

Does he head North on the A5? Or East and under the A5?

Frank Dallas,

If you are staying in Bad Homburg and itching to get started on FKKs then head to Oase. It is the closests club to your base of operations (I think you know that as you have been google earthing it) and the continually reported line up of gorgoeus girls is a destination objective in itself.

I enjoy good facilities but in the end its the girls I go for. Oase is not well laid out internally (think Rabbit warren inside for the first time visitor), the whirl pool is not hot, there are no fresh bed sheets for the beds when sessioning like at Goldentime or Palace, the downstairs lockers are not well ventilated and sometimes smells and gives the impression that it is not well cleaned.

But saying all that though - I have a lot of my favourite girls there and I get good service (better than what I get at Palace). I like my visuals and the visuals at Oase are stellar.

I have visited World less and maybe I need a more experienced guide to take me through the uncharted waters to change my current opinion.

Goldentime in Bruggen for me has more numerous girls that I like (more so than Oase) and has a different atmosphere. At Oase I tend to do the blondes (much to Radler's lament) but at Goldentime I do both brunettes, dark haired and blonde girls with the emphasis on the blondes as they are my weakness I admit. Somehow the Goldentime line up has the brunettes and dark haired girls that I like the look of.

I found World has a lesser proportions of blondes compared to Oase or Palace with emphasis on dark haired Eastern European girls. At Goldentime there were lots of blondes too. I am only using my anecdoctal memories and not statistics. If one of the guys who produce the girl lists and as well as putting the nationality also included the hair colour we would get more statistically accurate impressions of the girls with hair colour we like.

Then again if you are not fussed by hair colour then every club is going to be excellent.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

Jackyo

05-23-08, 15:09

I found World has a lesser proportions of blondes compared to Oase or Palace with emphasis on dark haired Eastern European girls. At Goldentime there were lots of blondes too. I am only using my anecdoctal memories and not statistics. If one of the guys who produce the girl lists and as well as putting the nationality also included the hair colour we would get more statistically accurate impressions of the girls with hair colour we like.
... but from my experience lacking in diversity. If you are into Romanians or Bulgarians you will have a great time.

There are almost no German women who work there (which is not a good sign; if one wants to make a list of clubs whose women who have been trafficked, one would start with this one).

This is why its not high on my list as far as clubs to visit are concerned. I don't speak Romanian or Bulgarian and some of these women literally just arrived by bus (or train or plane or whatever).

German professionals, by the way, usually come from Koeln and have French Kunstlernamen like Michelle or Nicole or Monique.

Basketcase

05-23-08, 20:25

There are almost no German women who work there (which is not a good sign; if one wants to make a list of clubs whose women who have been trafficked, one would start with this one).

German professionals, by the way, usually come from Koeln and have French Kunstlernamen like Michelle or Nicole or Monique.

Jackyo,

Thank you for making this statement. I have had excellent luck with my sessions with German girls. I currently have four regulars that I call my "girlfriends" and three of them are from Koln.

What is in the water in Koln that produces these amazing master race girls that give excellent blowjobs, taking your cock to the hilt in their mouths, sucking and licking your balls so as to make your eyes water? Then they want to fuck you silly and do all the dirty things you like. Two are blonde and one is brunette.

I agree with the name conventions. Very Romantic (read French) as opposed to Germanic in their working names.

I noted the lack of German girls at World. It just felt very East European. Maybe I am biased coming from the West and being bought up during the cold war years (I am showing my older age) that I have suspicions of things Eastern preferring the ease and recognition of fellow Westerners.

Even in London I tend to prefer the English girls (blonde ones) over say Brazilians or Eastern European girls. The English girls do cost a lot more but then they can be more genuine and you get the impression that they are in the game for themselves as opposed to their "bad boyfriend" or their "manager".

I enjoy Oase and Goldentime as having a preponderance of local German girls (I do like my blondes) must mean the working conditions are good since they as locals would know better.

I have to give it to Koln for producing a bevy of blondes for old Londonbasketcase to enjoy.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

Jackyo

05-23-08, 21:28

Jackyo,

Thank you for making this statement. I have had excellent luck with my sessions with German girls. I currently have four regulars that I call my "girlfriends" and three of them are from Koln.

What is in the water in Koln that produces these amazing master race girls that give excellent blowjobs, taking your cock to the hilt in their mouths, sucking and licking your balls so as to make your eyes water? Then they want to fuck you silly and do all the dirty things you like. Two are blonde and one is brunette.

I agree with the name conventions. Very Romantic (read French) as opposed to Germanic in their working names.

I noted the lack of German girls at World. It just felt very East European. Maybe I am biased coming from the West and being bought up during the cold war years (I am showing my older age) that I have suspicions of things Eastern preferring the ease and recognition of fellow Westerners.

Even in London I tend to prefer the English girls (blonde ones) over say Brazilians or Eastern European girls. The English girls do cost a lot more but then they can be more genuine and you get the impression that they are in the game for themselves as opposed to their "bad boyfriend" or their "manager".

I enjoy Oase and Goldentime as having a preponderance of local German girls (I do like my blondes) must mean the working conditions are good since they as locals would know better.

I have to give it to Koln for producing a bevy of blondes for old Londonbasketcase to enjoy.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase
... and this is what drives its reputation.

Mention Koeln to any Germans and it puts a smile on their faces.

It must be the Karneval which makes the women loose.

Ever been there for Karneval? Mark your calendar.

Or if not that then maybe its the Eau de Cologne. Best know brand is 4711 or Sieben-und-Vierzig Elf.

The name Cologne or Koeln comes from the Roman Colonia. The Romans had an outpost there and maybe it was all of those Roman baths and orgies which got the whole thing started.

The Muencher like to say that their city is the northernmost Italian city.

I beg to differ. I think its Koeln.

Basketcase

05-23-08, 21:46

Hi Jackyo,

... and this is what drives its reputation.

Mention Koeln to any Germans and it puts a smile on their faces.

It must be the Karneval which makes the women loose.

I have been Koeln just the once and admired the cathedral there. I do know of the Karneval. If the stream of German girls in the clubs that I am lucking out with continue then I may need to get my arse to Koeln to see if I can get a girl from there in open play rather than pay for play. Imagine one of these angels as your girlfriend.

Ever been there for Karneval? Mark your calendar.

I am booking in for 2009 for Feb 13-15 and April 9-13 already. Annual leave approved and lufthansa flights being researched with good availability at present. Just deciding on Dusseldorf or Frankfurt but may go into CGN for Koeln Bonn with Germanwings if Koeln is where I want to be.

Or if not that then maybe its the Eau de Cologne. Best know brand is 4711 or [i]Sieben-und-Vierzig Elf[\i].

My grandfather used 4711 a lot and I used to try it too. That was where I learnt about cologne.

The name Cologne or Koeln comes from the Roman Colonia. The Romans had an outpost there and maybe it was all of those Roman baths and orgies which got the whole thing started. The Muencher like to say that their city is the northernmost Italian city.

You may have something there Jackyo.

I beg to differ. I think its Koeln.

Koeln it is. I do not mind so long as the message I am expressing gets across.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

Frank Dallas

05-24-08, 01:07

Now are the girls that much hotter and better at Oase so as to justify the lousier facilities vis a vis world?

CBGBConnisur

05-24-08, 04:57

I thought Berlin is supposed to be the party city with their Love Parade.

Clearing customs in the EU is pretty easy a lot easier than most places.

Silvercat

05-24-08, 06:36

Henio

05-24-08, 15:56

Now are the girls that much hotter and better at Oase so as to justify the lousier facilities vis a vis world? Facilities at Oase are not bad. There is some history here since they allowed to get to a pretty bad state (dirty sofas, bad ventilation in the smokey main room etc.) but a lot has been rennovated and smoking is now only allowed in specified areas. The outdoor pool is the best of all the clubs. The facilities at World are better, but Oase is usually still my preference.

Every now and then you will see posters say something like "who cares about ____ (fill in the blank with "food", "wellness", "sauna", "pool") since we are there to fuck girls. Well, I am there to fuck girls but also to meet friends, have fun, relax etc. and I often spend the whole day of night there with my buddies I do not meet except during those trips. For me the whole surrounding is just as important. Having said that, I must say that Oase facilities are just fine.

Frank, just pick the one you feel like going to. If you start in one club and find it lacking, just get dressed and drive to the other (it will take you 30 minutes).

Frank Dallas

05-24-08, 20:06

Henio, you can see how I am obsessing

My first day is Friday Juen 6. The weather report shows sunny and the 80s. Hmmm. So if I am outside, I can go to Oases then! And on the next day, the forecast is for rain, I can go to World!

The Oases line up reports have been excellent!

OK, I need someone to go to World and give a report as to the line up with detailed specifics as to each girl. Please do an hour session with each to get the full effect. That way I will kn ow what I am doing.

Polar

05-24-08, 20:33

Jackyo

05-25-08, 12:33

Howdy,

www.bahn.de has been instrumental for scheduling my trip. However would someone please clue me in what I need to shell out for bus fare.

Is it a one fare covers all or is it incremental?

Thank you,

Silvercat
.. by local transport authorities so it depends on where you are going to be.

I'd check www.vrr.de, for example, if I were in Duesseldorf. They would have rates indicated there.

VRR stands for Verkehrsverband Rhein-Ruhr.

Basketcase

05-26-08, 22:49

My first day is Friday Juen 6. The weather report shows sunny and the 80s. Hmmm. So if I am outside, I can go to Oases then! And on the next day, the forecast is for rain, I can go to World!

The Oases line up reports have been excellent!

Frank Dallas,

I could not recall your visit dates. I thought that were later in the month. I am in Frankfurt for weekend of 7-8 June. Probably be visiting Oase for Saturday, 7 June and maybe Oase again or Palace for 8 June before going back to work again.

Oase's outdoor area to me is fine. Sitting around the pool on a lounger naked getting an all over tan. Naked girls wandering around to perve at when you are not sleeping or have your eyes closed. Drinks kiosk to pick up cool beverages. I am satisfied.

If you are at Oase on Saturday I can hook up and hang out with you. A few of the Ice Bears will be there as well to meet up coming all the way from the Netherlands.

Cheers,

Londonbasketcase

Akibono

05-27-08, 00:04

There are almost no German women who work there (which is not a good sign; if one wants to make a list of clubs whose women who have been trafficked, one would start with this one).

This is why its not high on my list as far as clubs to visit are concerned. I don't speak Romanian or Bulgarian and some of these women literally just arrived by bus (or train or plane or whatever).

German professionals, by the way, usually come from Koeln and have French Kunstlernamen like Michelle or Nicole or Monique.

There are at least 2 German girls working there at the moment. Nikki from Dortmund and Nadia from Koln.

Jackyo

05-27-08, 07:04

There are at least 2 German girls working there at the moment. Nikki from Dortmund and Nadia from Koln.
This is two women out of from sixty to eighty, isn't it?

FoxySimone

05-27-08, 07:57

Wondering whether to do living room or villa vertigo? Want to go to a place where the service of the girls is better. Also heard some discriminatory remarks about LR. Is it true?

If I had to pick one of these what would the senior members recommend?

Basketcase

05-27-08, 19:36

ten day back to back london and germany trip summary

i had four trips to germany in may 2008 between frankfurt am main and northrhein westfalen interspersed with work and leisure in london. my first trip was for 4 days in the first week of may to frankfurt am main’s fkk clubs and my last three trips were within a couple of days of each other going to and from uk split between the fkks in frankfurt am main and the sauna clubs of nordrhein westfalen. the flights just worked out this way by no conscious design. i did not realise until i had finished booking my flights that this is what i did: trips to germany with either a day back in london or two days back in london for meetings.

the below is my trip summary of my later may 2008 three trips to germany with interludes in the uk.

**day 1 frankfurt am main, hesse

fkk oase
stayed 16 hours
5 girls adding up to 3.5 hours of sessions in the rooms
4 blondes
1 brunette

**day 2 frankfurt am main, hesse

fkk oase
stayed 8 hours
4 girls over 3.75 hours of sessions in the rooms
3 blondes
1 brunette
highlight: anal with a pretty blond.

**day 3 london, uk

daytime: work during day to 6:30pm

evening: attended concert at london’s o2 centre by one of my favourite artists. it had a great light show and excellent performance producing true tears of joy in me by the end. i am finding it hard to keep my eyes open.

**day 4 bruggen, nordrhein westfalen

saunaclub goldentime
stayed 13.5 hours
5 sessions adding up to 3 hours in the rooms
several blondes
highlight: i had the energy to do 5 sessions in one day. i experienced 5 great sessions to enjoy for prosperity.

**day 5 bruggen, nordrhein westfalen

*saunaclub goldentime

stayed 8 hours
3 sessions adding up to 1.5 hours of sessions in the rooms
3 blondes

back in london: 2 do it yourself masturbations before bed.

**day 6 london, uk

*work during day to 7:30pm

*nags head strip pub, whitechapel, east london.
reason for visit: meet up with a friend from birmingham.
stayed 3 hours

5 girls on show:
-lola, spanish blonde, brown eyes, a cup, handsome looking
-[CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901), brazilian blonde, brown eyes, firm c cup, spinner type
-kiki, english blonde, green eyes, b cup i am in love, demure girlfriend type.
-diana, brazilian dark haired, b cup, average looks
-gracie, brazilian dark haired, b cup, tendency to become a womanly milf in later life

great visuals from the girls’ naked bodies, excellent pole dancing by kiki and [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) and meeting up with my friend from birmingham who had just come back from amsterdam at 8pm through heathrow. i also caught up with some regular british guys on the london strip circuit for extra company. i had not seen these guys for months. it is probably because i am in germany.

i had my eyes on kiki for most of the time and tried to strike up conversation with her to get to know her better but it was [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) who stole the show being the dirty minx that gives the impression that she will do anything you want and let you put it anywhere you want (for a fee of course).

i resisted the desire to do it yourself masturbations tonight as i am saving up for the weekend trip. this was a shame as kiki’s visuals got me real horny.

**day 7 london, uk

*work during day to 6pm

**day 8 bruggen, nordrhein westfalen

*saunaclub goldentime

5 sessions adding up to 2.5 hours in the rooms
stayed 13.5 hours
5 blondes
highlight: i had the energy to do 5 sessions again.

at hotel: 1 do it yourself masturbation session. i could not get enough of my excellent day. great memories from the visuals experienced. i had 5 great sessions to cherish.

**day 9 bruggen, nordrhein westfalen

*saunaclub goldentime

stayed 7 hours
2 sessions adding up to 1 hour in the rooms
2 blondes

*saunaclub villa vertigo

stayed 6 hours
1 session in the kino
1 blonde
highlight: the blonde busting my balls with a vigorous hand job. she will be ingrained in my memory. even a two days later my balls still feel tender.

**day 10 bruggen, nordrhein westfalen

*saunaclub goldentime
stayed 4 hours
2 girls adding up to 1 hour in the rooms
1 blonde
1 brunette (including anal finale to end my excellent trip)

back in london: 2 do it yourself masturbations before bed.

kind regards

londonbasketcase

Henio

05-27-08, 19:56

@LBS: Dude, soon you will go blind

@Jackyo: Aki said at least 2. I doubt that he interviewed all of them. I know a few more German girls that work at World (and also a delightful English lady). The club has also historcally a group of Polish girls although I am not sure how it is right now. Wanna take the moral high road on trafficking, then stay out of this game totally. No shortcuts available.

Jackyo

05-27-08, 20:31

@Jackyo: Aki said at least 2. I doubt that he interviewed all of them. I know a few more German girls that work at World (and also a delightful English lady). The club has also historcally a group of Polish girls although I am not sure how it is right now. Wanna take the moral high road on trafficking, then stay out of this game totally. No shortcuts available.
We've discussed trafficking enough here and I agree, its next to impossible to avoid it.

The relative absence of German women at World also simply means that the "German-girl-next-door" experience does not characterize the talent at this club.

If you are into the "Bulgarian-girl-next-door" or the "Romanian-girl-next-door", then you've found the club to hang out at. (Or maybe I should be writing "peasant-girl-next-door" - that would be more accurate.)

As to Cordelia, I've not had the pleasure yet, unfortunately.

When am I visiting World next? When I'm stuck in Frankfurt having to kill time while making a plane connection.

Jackyo

05-27-08, 20:44

Could anyone with more experience in this area help with some advise? When I read about he carnival, it seem like the most intense part is at the end. There is a Thursday, some activity on the coming Sunday and then the Rosen Montag.

I have not so much time to spend in town, but I can at least chose when to spend it. Is there any difference between the days in terms of partying and with that possibilities to find some local german ladied with interest in more than just drinking beer?
Karnevel in Koeln? Hmm.. How can I find the words?

Yes, the main events are on the Thursday before (Altweiberfasnacht) and the Monday before (Rosen Montag).

Rosen Montag consists of drunk train loads of revelers from all over NRW descending on the city and whooping it up. Great Partystimmung, lots of alcohol consumption, crazy funky background music.

Can one get laid? Yes. You'll need to find the right place to hangout.

As to club activities on Rosen Montag, I was actually disappointed. Seems that a lot of the girls want to party too and so the clubs aren't all open or if they are open, they don't have the whole Mannschaft (or should it be Frauschaft?) present.

Overall, it was an exhausting experience.

I have yet to attend Altweiberfasnacht events at the clubs but they do have them. They must be pretty wild. I'd say ground zero for this would be Bernds... but wait, Bernds is crazy enough even without Karneval.

Basketcase

05-27-08, 20:57

Summary of Londonbasketcase’s
Frankfurt Trip
First week of May 2008

*4 days and 3 nights of Hessen FKK club visiting.

*2 different sauna clubs visited in the Hessen area.

*4 sauna club visits in total covering:

** FKK Oase 3 visits
** FKK Palace 1 visit
**missed out visiting FKK World due to being distracted by the stellar line up at FKK Oase. I provide my sincere apologies once again to the gentleman that we were meant to meet up at FKK World. Your two companions provide their sincere apologies.

*14 sessions covering 14 hours of paid for time excluding extras like CIM, COB and anal.

**The different girls I roomed with comprised of blond (natural and peroxide) girls with various bust sizes and heights.

*I met a lot of good guys from the various internet forums during my 4 day trip. Especial mention of the two mongers from North America travelling together who knew of this forum amongst others. Please keep in touch.

****The FKK Clubs****

**FKK Oase day 1**

1. Eastern European blonde €200 1.5 hours includes CIM

2. Eastern European blonde €150 1 hour includes CIM

3. German blonde €150 1 hour includes CIM

Highlight 1: Seeing my favourite blondes again and enjoying their BBBJs, gorgeous bodies, having sex with them and finishing in their pretty mouths.

Highlight 2: Dinner with my two companions at the Lindenhof in Friedrichsdorf. I had a traditonal Hessen dish of boiled pork and red cabbage in gravy. Tasty.

**FKK Oase day 2**

1. Eastern European blonde €150 1 hour includes CIM

2. Balkans blonde €200 1 hour includes anal

3. German blonde €150 1 hour includes CIM

4. German blonde €300 1.5 hour includes anal and CIM

Highlight: two sessions of anal. A brilliant experience that touched me spiritually as I explored the arses of two delectable girls.

**FKK Oase day 3**

1. Balkans blonde €150 1hour includes CIM

2. Balkans blonde €100 1hour in the kino

3. German blonde €100 1 hour

4. German blonde €150 1 hour includes COB

Highlight 1: 1 hour session in the kino. I was exhausted and sweating by the end of the hour and I think it was over an hour as I said "I think I have only 5 minutes left so should I stop?" and she said "No, no, do not stop keep going as I am going to come". I generated an audience as everytime I got up for air I saw couches of guys (two to a couch instead of the usual one to a couch)looking my way instead of at the movie screen.

Highlight 2: Italian meal in Friedrichsdorf for lunch

**FKK Palace day 4**

Previously reported:

1. Gina of Czech (blonde) €150 1 hour
Kino start with BBBJ, DFK, BBBJ, FS in missionary and doggie with CIM finish and some DATY

2. Angelina of Czech (blonde) €100
BBBJ, missionary sex and CIM finish

3. Gina of Czech (blonde) €100
Kino start with BBBJ, FS in missionary and doggie with CIM finish

Highlight: Gina’s visuals of looking into my eyes during our session then running her tongue across her upper lip with a mischievously sexy look. We were in missionary coitus and that view just made me want to pump her pussy harder then pull off the condom and come in her mouth.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

Basketcase

05-27-08, 21:06

@LBS: Dude, soon you will go blind

Henio,

Sorry. I'll try to stop masturbating. The problem is that it is difficult as doing it yourself can feel really good as you know what ticks your box in terms of what you like.

Regards

Londonbasketcase

Jackyo

05-28-08, 13:09

anna - romanian, brunnette, long somewhat curly hair, big ass but has cellulite when seen in the light. it's hard to have sex when the girl won't even spread her legs lol. avoid!!
its among my pet peeves: she keeps her legs together and you can't get good penetration.

i'm not a large dude but actually had a chick complain to me that i was touching her cervix and she found it unpleasant. maybe that is what this was all about. one more reason to avoid really small women. (i much prefer them full size, as opposed to the miniature version, what guys call spinners.)

it ranks up there with women who are hard to manuever. they have a process in mind when they enter the room and won't allow you to deviate from the process. usually they only have one position in mind, won't take the initiative, won't take suggestions. its almost like you need to wrestle with her to get her into place. (actually the wrestling part can be fun if you are into that kind of thing but i'd much rather see two women wrestling than have to do it myself.)

my other pet peeve is that she won't take her hand off the condom, keeps a firm grip on it as you penetrate. its very distracting. she's concerned that you might lose the condom and you become concerned because she has her hand wrapped around your dick.

its almost as distracting as having a second chick massage your balls as you penetrate the first one. its not unpleasant; just distracting. makes it hard to come for me.

Doctor_Skank

05-28-08, 14:09

my other pet peeve is that she won't take her hand off the condom, keeps a firm grip on it as you penetrate. its very distracting. she's concerned that you might lose the condom and you become concerned because she has her hand wrapped around your dick.
reading your post i was going to mention that one. it's not only uncomfortable as hell, it's a mojo killer. if a girl is so terribly paranoid about this issue, she probably is in the wrong business.

the worst of the worst are teethy, bored blowjobs.

Basketcase

05-28-08, 23:09

Wondering whether to do living room or villa vertigo? Want to go to a place where the service of the girls is better.

If I had to pick one of these what would the senior members recommend?

I have been to Villa Vertigo several times now. I love its excellent facilities and each time it has some of the best food that I have experienced in the sauna clubs and FKKs put together.

The line up is improving. They have an Angelina Jolie look alike there when I visited in April 2008. During my recent visit there was a petite blonde that took my breath away. She wore a pink track suit set that barely hid her multi talented body containing slim body, good sized tits (maybe C cup), long legs in high platform heels. I saw her for 2 minutes and never saw her again during my 6 hours visit. In those 2 minutes she caused a stir amongst the punters sitting out on the patio and the girls also there all whispered to each other looking at her with evil and green envied eyes.

As for Living Room in all my travels I have not been to Living Room in Kaarst much to my dismay.

I apologise for my lack of adventure to head that much further East to Kaarst to attend Living Room. I missed it during my April maiden voyage to NRW instead spending most of my time in Goldentime in Bruggen forming relationships with the girls and support staff there. It is nice when the reception and bar staff remember you and know your fave drink. For my subsequent two visits in May to NRW where my flights came in via Netherlands or from further North of NRW. I stayed close to the Dutch/German border clubs due to their convenience and enjoyment factor I had from my April visit.

Also I must remember that I can receive a discount of €25 for entritt at Living Room if I have been at Goldentime that same day. I just need to arrange it with the friendly GT receptionists.

I cannot give a balanced view of LR over VV but at present VV receives my vote but if LR is run like GT and has a similar line up then I know I will love LR as I enjoy GT so much.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

Tom Lee

05-29-08, 04:26

I posted a question for public transportation to different clubs. There was no clear response about the direction. I think I could have figured it out reasonally quickly. Just go to bahn.de and put in the Hauptbahnhof of each city (e.g., koln HBF for Samya) and then put in the address/city of the club. The website is probably the best in the whole Europe and will provide you details of how to get there. You can even find the schedule there if you do not want to wait on the platform for long. Please combine the website with the attached google earth maps of most of FKK clubs. You can pinpoint the direction and know the surroundings from google earth precisely. Even if you are drive there, it could help.

Some members, probably wanking, posted the route of how to get to some of the clubs. I got them a while ago from various postings here or in other places. I added a little details about the lodging. I am posting below to share among us.

Samya

From koln HBF, Take U16 from center to Michaelshoven. The direction is Bonn-Bad Godesberg or Sürth Bahnhof. Exit the platform (there is only one way out) and follow the road to the right as there is some type of office block/factory on the left with security gates. You'll come to a main road and you should cross over and carry on straight ahead. About 300m down this road is Kirschbaumweg and Samya is about 100m on the right. It takes about 10 mins to walk from the Michaelshoven stop to Samya and the trains run pretty frequently late into the night.

Or bus 135, right to the door.

FKK Cocoon Wuppertal Dusseldorf

How to get there by public transport from Dusseldorf HBF:
Take train to Wuppertal Oberbarmen. Time: 29 mins
Then bus 602 to stop Schmiedestr Time: 18 mins
The club is about 300 meters from this stop.

Where to stay: Well I stayed in the Hotel etap which is 1.5 km away. But 300 meters from the club and beside bus stop Schmiedestr you have the hotel Aal Kate. Both charge around €35 per night for a single room.

Hotel & Restaurant Aal-Kate
Schmiedestrasse 55
42279 Wuppertal
0202 / 265699-20
aal-kate-hotel.de

Aal-Kate-Hotel-Restaurant
Schmiedestraße 55
42279 Wuppertal

Tel.: 0202 2656990
Fax: 0202 26569918
www.Aal-Kate-Hotel.de
Hotelaalkate@aol.com

Etap Hotel Wuppertal Nord Oberbarmen
Address :
Gabelsberger Strasse 12
42279 WUPPERTAL OBERBARMEN
GERMANY
(+49) 0202 64 80 948

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Basketcase

05-29-08, 08:19

Hi All,

This is just a musing on pricing and choosing a location to visit and should be self evident but I just wanted to share:

I have a thorough enjoyment of a CIM or COB finish when I session with girls and thankfully I have found only one girl so far that I have taken to the room or the kino that does not take a CIM finish in the FKKs and sauna clubs.

Compared to the UK you have to hunt down the girls that allow CIM and even then they can refuse once you have booked them and paid. It is hit and miss in the UK if you want a good CIM service. A lot of the girls do not do it.

It is therefore with some delight I have discovered the FKKs and saunaclubs and the excellent services that can be provided therein. Also much better value than the girls who do the same in London by a long shot.

Anyway my point is that I can average 4 sessions or so a day bouncing between say 6 sessions to say 2 to 3 sessions when I am in a FKK or saunaclub all day.

In Hesse FKK the pricing is €100 per half hour session being €50 for the standard half hour time with BBBJ, HJ, covered sex, maybe DATY and DFK included - I get these in most cases and €50 for the CIM or COB service. So for 4 successive sessions with CIM is €400 plus entritt of €65 means my visit excluding incidentals is €465.

In NRW saunaclubs the pricing unless advised otherwise is €75 for a session with CIM happy ending. The make up is €50 for BBBJ, HJ covered sex, and maybe DFK and DATY for half a hour and €25 for the CIM service. So for 4 successive sessions with CIM the cost is €300 plus entritt of €50 means my visit excluding incidentals is €350.

The difference on this scenario analysis is €115 cheaper in NRW than Hesse. The next thought I had was accessibility. For me it is arguable that Hesse is easier to get to and stay. Then there is the fact all the girls are naked in FKK as opposed to lingerie or bikini clad in NRW sauna clubs. Then I really thought about it and especially at Goldentime - there are nearly naked girls there too going topless bar a modesty pussy wrap (and no panties) like at Palace and Oase and World anyway. It is a rare girl who is all covered up at Goldentime.

I know if I did not go for CIM or COB finishes that the pricing is nearly the same at €250 for NRW and €265 in Hesse. The make up being €50 for each half hour session so four sessions is €200 in NRW and Hesse and one off day visit entritt fee of €50 for NRW and €65 entritt for Hesse.

So based on it you are a plain standard service man then the choice of Hesse or NRW is indifferent unless you are hung up on the €15 entritt difference. Even then World entritt at present is €50 so is comparable like for like there. It is just palace at €75 is the one you need to think about - if you have to travel long distances then €25 more is not going to make much of a difference in my opinion.

Now if you are an extras man then NRW is the place to be if the girls there tick your boxes in terms of looks, service, personality and so forth. I have found both locations have the girls I like - Goldentime in NRW and Oase in Hesse.

These are just a few thoughts that I wnated to commit to some medium and may be of some interest to others.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

Iseeu

05-29-08, 10:44

When I'm stuck in Frankfurt having to kill time while making a plane connection.
...in FRA having to kill time I visit Oase. I never even consider the other 2 clubs anymore.
When will I visit World next? Only if there's a pre-arranged rendezvous with fellow ISGers planned there.

Iseeu

05-29-08, 10:57

In Hesse FKK the pricing is €100 per half hour session being €50 for the standard half hour time with BBBJ, HJ, covered sex, maybe DATY and DFK included - I get these in most cases and €50 for the CIM or COB service. So for 4 successive sessions with CIM is €400 plus entritt of €65 means my visit excluding incidentals is €465.

In NRW saunaclubs the pricing unless advised otherwise is €75 for a session with CIM happy ending. The make up is €50 for BBBJ, HJ covered sex, and maybe DFK and DATY for half a hour and €25 for the CIM service. So for 4 successive sessions with CIM the cost is €300 plus entritt of €50 means my visit excluding incidentals is €350.

The difference on this scenario analysis is €115 cheaper in NRW than Hesse. The next thought I had was accessibility. For me it is arguable that Hesse is easier to get to and stay. Then there is the fact all the girls are naked in FKK as opposed to lingerie or bikini clad in NRW sauna clubs. Then I really thought about it and especially at Goldentime - there are nearly naked girls there too going topless bar a modesty pussy wrap (and no panties) like at Palace and Oase and World anyway. It is a rare girl who is all covered up at Goldentime.

I know if I did not go for CIM or COB finishes that the pricing is nearly the same at €250 for NRW and €265 in Hesse. The make up being €50 for each half hour session so four sessions is €200 in NRW and Hesse and one off day visit entritt fee of €50 for NRW and €65 entritt for Hesse.

So based on it you are a plain standard service man then the choice of Hesse or NRW is indifferent unless you are hung up on the €15 entritt difference.
... as usual and messes up your cost effectiveness calculation.
* It's in NRW but the girls are all naked and are not allowed to cover up even with their towel.
* It's accessible; by car- only an hour and a half drive from FRA without having to drive through traffic intensive areas like Cologne or Dusseldororf; by train+taxi only an hour from airport to Schieferhof.
* CIM and COB are included in the standard half hour pricing, so 4 sessions will cost €200+ €70 entry will total €270, which is only €5 more than a day of non-CIM sessions would cost in Hesse.

Jackyo

05-29-08, 12:02

The worst of the worst are teethy, bored blowjobs.
Being gnawed on is no fun. Definitely a mood killer.

On other forum I've posted before there was this guy going on about how there was no such thing as a bad BJ.

He'd apparently never had a bad BBGJ... Bareback Gnaw Job.

Breadman

05-29-08, 14:07

The next thought I had was accessibility. For me it is arguable that Hesse is easier to get to and stay.

Jackyo and I have talked about accessiblity to the Golden triangle (gt,vv, phg) via train before. Train from the Dusseldorf hbf drops you off right in the middle of the 3 clubs. So it is possible to do these three clubs without renting a car, although i haven't tried it yet.

This is the schedule to Nettetal Kaldenkirchen.

Ab / An Haltestelle Verkehrsmittel
ab 08:48 Düsseldorf Hbf Gleis 4 R-Bahn RE13
Venlo Station
an 09:51 Nettetal Kaldenkirchen Bf Gleis 3

It takes an hour.

The quickest way is to take the RE13. There is no connection to be made (there are other trains but you would have to change trains a couple of times).

Henio

05-29-08, 20:47

...in FRA having to kill time I visit Oase. I never even consider the other 2 clubs anymore.
When will I visit World next? Only if there's a pre-arranged rendezvous with fellow ISGers planned there.
Same here. World is one of the best place to meet and hang out with friends with occasional sessions in between, but when alone, I opt for Oase.

@LBS: One thing one has to consider as well is that long sessions are much more economical in many of the NRW clubs since it the second half hour is only 25 euros. This varies a bit between clubs though, but GT, LR and PHG all have the 25 euros as standard for second half (although some girls are trying for 50 for second half hour). There are also some variations of this, f.ex. YY that has the 50-25-50-25 version.

Akibono

05-29-08, 20:53

Same here. World is one of the best place to meet and hang out with friends with occasional sessions in between, but when alone, I opt for Oase.

@LBS: One thing one has to consider as well is that long sessions are much more economical in many of the NRW clubs since it the second half hour is only 25 euros. This varies a bit between clubs though, but GT, LR and PHG all have the 25 euros as standard for second half (although some girls are trying for 50 for second half hour). There are also some variations of this, f.ex. YY that has the 50-25-50-25 version.

In my recent trip to GT, I found that a large number of the ladies are charging 50E for the second thirty minutes, but CIM is still 25.

Dedalus

05-29-08, 21:15

Same here. World is one of the best place to meet and hang out with friends with occasional sessions in between, but when alone, I opt for Oase.

True enough. It's hard to beat World when it comes to doing the "Hang-Bang-Hang-Bang" deal.

I've still been turning to World a lot lately for solo clubbing. I've nothing against Oase but the line-ups there just have not rang my bell as much as World has in the past month or so. Oase still has its stars, but I guess I am looking for new talent, and I seem to be finding it more so at World these days. I've run into about 7 to 10 can't-miss-gals at World since January who are relatively new for me. It is just hard for me to pass up a trip to Pohlheim when up the ole' FFM way.

Plus, I can't nap so easily at Oase, although they do have so new lounge chair that are pretty good for the between-pop snooze.

Turnover at World is high but the good ones are staying, even though they complain about low traffic. During the week, the place is usually a buyer's market.

BTW Jackyo, For what it's worth, some of my worst sessions in the past year and a half have been with Germans. (To be fair, three of the BEST session that I have had in this time period have also been with Germans.)

I realize that this was not you original point and has little to do with concerns about trafficking and such. I only mention it for the sake of those who might have been confused by the statement about a club having few German workers being a bad sign.

Cheers,

Dedalus, whose best sessions of 08 thus far have been a from two Romanians, a Georgian and a Bulgarian.

Breadman

05-29-08, 21:20

In my recent trip to GT, I found that a large number of the ladies are charging 50E for the second thirty minutes, but CIM is still 25.

Did you then pay this amount? Asking and charging are two different things. They can ask for 500, doesn't mean your going to pay them that. They can ask me for 100 at the locker for an hour in the room...i'll hand them 75 and if they want the other 25, we can talk to the management.

Basketcase

05-30-08, 00:57

Did you then pay this amount? Asking and charging are two different things. They can ask for 500, doesn't mean your going to pay them that. They can ask me for 100 at the locker for an hour in the room...i'll hand them 75 and if they want the other 25, we can talk to the management.

When I was at Goldentime recently I was told by one of the girls that the pricing in 2009 will be amended to mirror that of the Hessen clubs. That is, €50 for first half hour and €50 for the second half hour and so forth. I also took what she said that the extras would also be likewise hessen pricing being €50 extra for my beloved COB and CIM and then also €100 for anal instead of €50 as it is now. I may be wrong in that interpretation.

I also experienced instances where a girl would ask for €50 for additional half hours. As such I stick to half hour sessions in the main.

During one session I was thoroughly enjoying the fucking and realised that I was nearing the 30 minute mark - I was on top form this day keeping it up for that long. I said to the cute blonde spinner whether I could upgrade to a one hour session she said that it would be €50 more. A bit of a communication break down ensured so I decided to cut my losses and finished in a €50 half hour session.

I think it better that the girl says up front that she is a €50 for extra half hour girl but then I expect a lot fo guys do not say up front that they would like a hour. I do try to say as soon as I can and generally in the first 2-3 minutes that I am doing a hour with her.

The notices in GT are clear that prices for services is between you and the girl to ensure that GT is acting within the law. I see similar notices in the lockers at Palace. The clubs provide facilities and do not set pricing or employ the girls. The disclaimers are put up to protect the club I understand.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

Basketcase

05-30-08, 01:24

Same here. World is one of the best place to meet and hang out with friends with occasional sessions in between, but when alone, I opt for Oase.

I would tend to agree as well that World's facilities are conducive to meeting friends. I have the same feeling for Villa Vertigo s I do World as a place where you can go to do spa activities and the girls and sex is just a side opportunity as opposed to the main event of enjoying the wellness and relaxation facilities.

I go to Oase alone most times but always seem to meet an English speaker to hang out with. Then I am no longer alone. I love going to Oase to have sessions.

@LBC: One thing one has to consider as well is that long sessions are much more economical in many of the NRW clubs since it the second half hour is only 25 euros. This varies a bit between clubs though, but GT, LR and PHG all have the 25 euros as standard for second half (although some girls are trying for 50 for second half hour). There are also some variations of this, f.ex. YY that has the 50-25-50-25 version.

Henio, thank you for the explanation on NRW pricing. I have yet to break the one hour barrier at Goldentime but for my one hour sessions I paid 50+25 maing €75 and had a CIM finish so that made it €100 all up.

If YY is 50+25+50+25+ etc... then is GT except for those girls that have taken up the 50+50+50+50, etc.. pricing policy mean that they charge 50+25+25+25+... per additional half hour increments.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

Basketcase

05-30-08, 01:27

Jackyo and I have talked about accessiblity to the Golden triangle (gt,vv, phg) via train before. Train from the Dusseldorf hbf drops you off right in the middle of the 3 clubs. So it is possible to do these three clubs without renting a car, although i haven't tried it yet.

For all my NRW visits so far I have hired motor vehicles.

For all my hesse trips I have been relying on a combination of public transport and taxis to get to the promised land.

My entry point is not always Dusseldorf if I am visiting GT, VV, PHG, LR or YY so i have to make so with public transport.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

Basketcase

05-30-08, 01:30

... as usual and messes up your cost effectiveness calculation.
* It's in NRW but the girls are all naked and are not allowed to cover up even with their towel.
* It's accessible; by car- only an hour and a half drive from FRA without having to drive through traffic intensive areas like Cologne or Dusseldororf; by train+taxi only an hour from airport to Schieferhof.
* CIM and COB are included in the standard half hour pricing, so 4 sessions will cost €200+ €70 entry will total €270, which is only €5 more than a day of non-CIM sessions would cost in Hesse.

Isseu,

Thank you for your considerate remarks on Bernds. I welcome the feedback as this is helpful responses. I have still to visit Bernds and the feedback is positive. There are the reports about being German speaking to really get the most and enjoy the experience that Bernds provides.

Maybe if I do go I should be going with a German speaking companion. I will need to pre-arrange this. In my travels I find that I can meet other English or non English speakers. At Oase I hook up with English speakers (we are usually alone) but at Goldentime I tend to hook up with Germans, Dutch and Belgians that are happy to speak English with me.

I keep telling myself that I will visit Bernds when my German is good since I do think Bernds is the place where you need to build up a rapport. However, the reports seem to indicate that the girls are happy to be be paying attention to you regardless when you are seated on the couch in the living room. Good stuff.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

Akibono

05-30-08, 03:23

Basketcase

05-30-08, 06:36

I don't have a problem paying 50 if the service is good. I would rather pay 50, get good service and have a happy girl than get rushed service and an arguement just to save 25. However, I do like to know this up front. I was blindsided by Regi when she billed at 50E without telling me upfront. As a result, I did not go with her again. Still, her service is top notch.

Akibono,

I agree. If some girls charge €25 for the extra half hour and some girls charge €50 and the tendency by historical experience is that €25 is the norm then when a girl springs in the middle of the first half hour that if you wish to continue to the second half hour that it is €50 more when you have had in your mind €25 (regardless that like me you are a Hesse visitor used to €50 anyway) then that is offputting regardless that you are getting the usual Hesse pricing. This is NRW and it expected that you receive NRW pricing.

It appears that NRW pricing is on the way up to those of Hesse and Hesse is moving up to Berline pricing with some girls refusing to do some acts and classing them as extras. See my post in the Palace thread along with one from another gent where for GFE involving slower pace, pussy licking and DFK you need to pay €100 for the session.

As well See my post further below in this thread about the reason I may head to NRW more because the extras I enjoy are that much more cheaper than Hesse. I find girls I like in NRW - in fact more variety of girls I like in NRW tahn I do in Hesse which to me seems strange. Further I think I can get over the fact the girls are dressed in NRW - I do love the fact in the FKKs the girls are totally naked but this is not all the girls in Hessen FKK especially Palace where a waist wrap (with obligatory no panties) is common covering their pussy. There are many girls wearing just the waist wrap in Goldentime and/or go topless so it is just like Palace. It is only say Oase or World where you get the fuller effect of the multitude of girls naked save for high heels, their purse and maybe some jewellry.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

Jackyo

05-30-08, 10:26

BTW Jackyo, For what it's worth, some of my worst sessions in the past year and a half have been with Germans. (To be fair, three of the BEST session that I have had in this time period have also been with Germans.)

I realize that this was not you original point and has little to do with concerns about trafficking and such. I only mention it for the sake of those who might have been confused by the statement about a club having few German workers being a bad sign.

Cheers,

Dedalus, whose best sessions of 08 thus far have been a from two Romanians, a Georgian and a Bulgarian.
I don't really communicate well with women who come from too far east. As Routard has remarked here, the further east they come from, the less in common he has with them. Ditto for me.

Polish women who speak fluent German are who I tend to gravitate to these days.

Good luck trying to find something in common with a peasant woman from say, Kazakhstan, who is totally inarticulate.

There are EE women out there who are intelligent, articulate and who I've connected with too, don't get me wrong.

A Russian literature major somewhere who can express herself well and f__ my brains out too would be a find.

I have had bad to so-so experiences with German women but, as you have noted, also among the best experiences ever.

I want to improve my odds of finding that exceptional experience, trafficking issues aside. And in the end, its not that hardened pros who deliver that mind-blowing experience, its the talented amateurs who do.

My best experience earlier this year was with Louisa at Finca. She is Romanian but has lived in Germany for a while, speaks German very well, is clearly educated and is quite funny. This is also clearly not a profession for her. She does it to make some pocket money.

I have nothing against Romanians. The run-of-the-mill-just-off-the-bus-here-to-make-as-much-money-as-I-can-because-my-career-alternative-at-home-is-milking-goats type don't do it for me, unfortunately.

Jackyo

05-30-08, 11:04

Any word on how the UEFA Euro 2008 matches will affect the Besatzung in our favorite clubs?

Has anyone detected any southward migratory patterns for the month of June?

Or are the rules so conservative in Switzerland and Austria that our favorite Lebensabschnittgefaehrtinnen are staying put?

Mhlinkin

05-30-08, 14:35

Hey everyone

I'm a newbie from far far away in Australia and are coming to enjoy the FKK scene in Germany for the very first time in mid June.

Its euro 2008 when I visit so I'm wondering are there big screens in all the big FKK to show the game or some of them don't have it or they won't show the football at all? Place I be visiting are Golden Time, Living Room, Samya and Oase.

Also it be great if anyone can shed me some light on whether it be more busy or less busy during time like euro 2008.

On a more general topic, I notice some of the club the girls don't approach you. I speak no german at all so could anyone give me any tip on how to initiate with the girls? Whether gesture or small talk etc.

Never step foot in a FKK before much appreciated if someone could enlighten me.

Cheers,

Will report back

Mhlinkin

Mhlinkin

05-30-08, 14:38

Hey everyone,

I'm a newbie from far far away in Australia and are coming to enjoy the FKK scene in Germany for the very first time in mid June.

Its euro 2008 when I visit so I'm wondering is there big screens in all the big fkk to show the game or some of them don't have it or they won't show the football at all? Place I be visiting are golden time, living room, samya and oase.

Also it be great if anyone can shed me some light on whether it be more busy or less busy during time like euro 2008.

On a more general topic, I notice some of the club the girls don't approach you. I speak no German at all so could anyone give me any tip on how to initiate with the girls? Whether gesture or small talk etc.

Never step foot in a FKK before, much appreciated if someone could enlighten me.

Cheers

Will report back

Mhlinkin

Jackyo

05-30-08, 15:24

hey everyone,

i'm a newbie from far far away in australia and are coming to enjoy the fkk scene in germany for the very first time in mid june.

its euro 2008 when i visit so i'm wondering is there big screens in all the big fkk to show the game or some of them don't have it or they won't show the football at all? place i be visiting are golden time, living room, samya and oase.

also it be great if anyone can shed me some light on whether it be more busy or less busy during time like euro 2008.

on a more general topic, i notice some of the club the girls don't approach you. i speak no german at all so could anyone give me any tip on how to initiate with the girls? whether gesture or small talk etc.

never step foot in a fkk before, much appreciated if someone could enlighten me.

cheers

will report back

mhlinkin
the women don't like it when they have football on the telly. the guys don't visit the clubs or if the clubs show the games, they don't want to do business with the girls.

a chick once said to me: scheiss fussball!. she wouldn't be doing much business that day and she spent most of it in a funk.

whether the women approach you or not depends on the club rules. some allow it, some have an animierungsverbot.

you need to make the move in the latter case. truth be told, a chick who is too aggressive marketing herself is usually desperate and is, as a rule, not to be taken up on her offer.

my favorite move: smile from across the room, make eye contact, tilt your head to one side and she will get the message. within two seconds, she will be sitting in your lap.

it takes practice to get this done right. i'm still working on my technique. need to work on my neck muscles.

at a partytreff, by the way, its the women who are scanning the room, trying to make eye contact and then tilting their heads to indicate motion to a room or a communal bed.

i was at the bar at pt dolce vita once just surveying the scene. across stood the larger ola who works there (there is also petite ola). she looks over at me, smiles, cocks her head to one side and we are off to the races. how is that for a woman who takes the initiative?

this is a universal language understood by all whether at a pt or a regular fkk club.

how to converse if you can't find a common language? that is up to you. some guys get by. others are bothered by it.

given two women who are basically identical but one i can understand the other one i can't i'd much rather have the former than the latter.

again: test for chemistry before going any further. if you can have a conversation and she seems receptive, go for it.

my basic assessment process from afar is simple: if you smile at her and she smiles back, you have a go ahead signal. avoid the ones who have an attitude.

you will also find that at some clubs it easy to peel away the chick you are interested in from her friends. at some clubs they like to cluster in groups. must be something about safety in numbers.

the club's physical layout has a lot to do with this too.

samya probably has the worst layout of them all. their couches are spaced out in a weird way and some girls like to sit together at a card table in the middle. goldentime and phg have some of them sitting on bar stools. very difficult to manuever to pick your target and find some quiet time with her.

the most efficient layout for a kontaktzimmer goes to babylon. kunstledercouches line the walls. plentiful seating for everyone, lots of space between the girls (they know better than to sit together for too long - its bad for business). you take your towel over, lay it down beside the object of your lust and make some small talk first. better long, she's got her mouth wrapped around your best part.

i was there once and picked out verona. (wonder if she is still there.) our conversation very quickly moved into the next stages. she unwraps my towel and she'd going at it. i've got my hands roaming all over her. in fact, i had my finger inside her in no time. her friend, laura, is off to one side. she smiles, comes over and says that i shouldn't finger her friend. to emphasize this point, she takes my hand by the wrist and pulls it away from her. this is all in the spirit of fun, by the way. every time i went back to explore that tight little intimate space, her friend would pull my hand away. i gave up after a while and said it was time to go find a room and some privacy.

both of them (laura and verona) are very tight, very wet and have very large lips.

Kiwi 69

05-30-08, 18:08

Globus

05-30-08, 23:03

I have nothing against Romanians. The run-of-the-mill-just-off-the-bus-here-to-make-as-much-money-as-I-can-because-my-career-alternative-at-home-is-milking-goats type don't do it for me, unfortunately.

Sorry, Jackyo –don't want to flame you – but this is so incredibly stereotypical.

It's okay sometimes to put things graphically... but it just doesn't correspond with my experiences I had with women respectively their background coming from this country.

Globus

Henio

05-30-08, 23:43

@Mhlinkin: Most of the larger clubs will show the games. Vivid in memory is when Dedalus put on a show that drew away considerable crowd from a World Cup game to watch him doing some acrobatics (with Polish Melissa if memory serves me right) in one of the outside areas at GT.

Jackyo is right that the girls can get a bit annoyed when the football is on, but the club relies on customers paying entries. The NRW clubs tend to crowd up a bit when the football is on, but less so in the Hessen clubs.

@Jackyo: Girl who can milk a goat eh? That's a winner for my money.

As my mommy used to say: there are two kinds of people, those who categorise other people and then there are those who do not. Oh well ;-)

Basketcase

05-31-08, 00:24

Hi Henio,

Vivid in memory is when Dedalus put on a show that drew away considerable crowd from a World Cup game to watch him doing some acrobatics (with Polish Melissa if memory serves me right) in one of the outside areas at GT.

Cool. I have just had one session in the GT garden with a big boobed, BJ lipped brown haired Polish girl. I did it at midday with the Sun high in the sky an before GT got crowded to produce a command audience - just two Germans observing from the loungers in the lower garden.

I need to do more before the end of the Summer. It just feels so natural and also naughty to so it in the garden. I also would like to do it at Oase - but a bit more public there as the focus is on the pool.

Jackyo is right that the girls can get a bit annoyed when the football is on, but the club relies on customers paying entries. The NRW clubs tend to crowd up a bit when the football is on, but less so in the Hessen clubs.

I am in and out of NRW and Hesse during the Euro football. IN fact I expect to be at Oase for the final game of Euro. It is good to know that the Hesse clubs will tend to be less choked with punters during the football but I do hope that the line ups still stay stellar in calibre to provide variety and choice.

In NRW and especially GT I expect the place to be crowded so maybe I should retire to Villa Vertigo or Planet Happy Garden for respite and relaxation. Then again the densely packed party atmosphere at GT is something to enjoy and stimulate the senses. Depends on if you want relax or excitement during your visit when seeing girls for hot sex.

Thanks as always,

Londonbasketcase

Basketcase

05-31-08, 07:58

I am a linguistic retard but never found it a problem at Bernds, even with the non -English speaking girls. There are good odds you will always find one who speaks English (i.e. Mara ) and the atmosphere is like a no holds(holes?!)barred party treff ,except with 5 star plus providers !

Hi Kiwi 69,

I am a mono linquist myself coming from an area of the country (well pretty much all of it) where English is the language spoken most commonly. Even foreign visitors spoke English and I have worked so far in industries where the official business language is English so there was no need to learn other langauges.

Thank you for your supportive feedback on Bernds and the use of English on non English speaking girls. Mara sounds good if she is an English speaker as I do like to be able to say more than "suck" and then "can we fuck now" and "can you suck me and I spitzen in your mouth?"

The description of a no holds barred Partytreff like orgy with 5 star providers sounds fantastic. Also appealing is the high standards of service and availabilty of them for €50 including CIM.

With thanks,

Londonbasketcase

Basketcase

05-31-08, 08:14

Any word on how the UEFA Euro 2008 matches will affect the Besatzung in our favorite clubs?

Not much from me. I have checked with some of my faves and they will be around for June. Not sure about July just yet as I did not check that far forward. Sorry I should be more thoughtful and planning ahead in mindset.

Has anyone detected any southward migratory patterns for the month of June?

The only girl I have heard that is moving to Switzerland to work for Euro 2008 is Michelle of Switzerland at Oase. As yet I have not seen her move and recent reports of her at Oase also indicate she has not moved. There may be more.

I know one girl said she came back from working in Switzerland as the clubs there have more rules including the management being more directive of who the girl goes with, what services she does and how late they work. I know that girls usually ask for permission from management if they want to leave before the club closes. The potential money earned in Switzerland is much higher I understand.

In the FKKs there is the semblance that the girl chooses her services and clients as she works for herself but an instance recently when I saw three dressed pimps in a club openly collecting their cut of the girls' earnings really put me off and made me angry. How can dressed guys come into a club, do not have "I've paid my entritt today tags", then sit at the bar and have a gaggle of girls come up to them with their purses and hand over wads of cash in front of other punters at the bar and give them kisses and hugs. That is just arrogrance and sticking their finger to the establishment. Sorry I am digressing.

Or are the rules so conservative in Switzerland and Austria that our favorite Lebensabschnittgefaehrtinnen are staying put?

I hope that you are correct Jackyo. I would hate for the line ups to diminish in the Fatherland. This means I would need to start researching and booking trips to Austria and Switzerland. I know more people in Switzerland so that would be my preferred choice but both countries are very expensive so i would expect the mongering would be likewise.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

Doctor_Skank

05-31-08, 09:57

In the FKKs there is the semblance that the girl chooses her services and clients as she works for herself but an instance recently when I saw three dressed pimps in a club openly collecting their cut of the girls' earnings really put me off and made me angry. How can dressed guys come into a club, do not have "I've paid my entritt today tags", then sit at the bar and have a gaggle of girls come up to them with their purses and hand over wads of cash in front of other punters at the bar and give them kisses and hugs. That is just arrogrance and sticking their finger to the establishment. Damn, that's a real turnoff. I'd prefer not to know what kind of parasitic scum these girls have to deal with on a daily basis.

Which club BTW?

Basketcase

05-31-08, 10:22

Damn, that's a real turnoff. I'd prefer not to know what kind of parasitic scum these girls have to deal with on a daily basis.

Which club BTW?

I was thinking these pimps must be lazy. They could not wait until the club closes to collect their take of the girls' earnings. I bet they were not even courteous to pick the girls up at the end of the shift making them get a taxi paid out of their left over cash and exposing them to getting robbed by other pimps or lowlifes that mark working girls going home late at night with wads of cash.

I won't say what club where I saw this as I suspect it is prevalent anywhere. I always thought the clubs were above this but realise that there will be girls that have managers. I just should not be so naive. It is a lesson for me.

I actually thought I should not write this point but the memory just really riles me and makes so angry. I stood at the bar thinking and mouthing "wankers, wankers, wankers" at them and as they walked past me I called them "fuckwits" and "cocksuckers". They just ignored me and waved at the receptionist as they left.

Regards

Londonbasketcase

Hessen Bub

05-31-08, 10:39

Basketcase

05-31-08, 11:20

Don't be naive. 90% of the girls in German FKKs do have a manager, pimp, friend. And they have a target to meet every day and hand over to the manager. Can be between 500 and 700 each day. What goes above they can keep. There are managers with 10 or more girls working for them, that makes a pretty neat income.

Also it explains why the girls are sometimes charging more than they should. It is business.

HB

Thank you Hessen Bub, I thought I was paranoid that it was just me. It was pretty much in your face seeing the pimps at work being friendly with their working girls collecting the cash from them and reception knowing they were there as they let them in without paying entry.

I even asked later on one of the girls that chatted to the pimps what was going on and she told me to leave it alone. Basically none of my business which is true and I should not have done so. I was just so angry and had to be sure that I was not seeing something that could be explained by other alternatives.

I can see that girls with targets like €500 to €700 mean that they have to suck cock without a condom and fuck at least 11 to 15 guys at €50 a pop to cover the €500 to €700 and the €50 or more entry fee to break even before transport costs, cosmetics outfits, condoms, lube, dildoes, etc...

At Palace behind reception I saw large boxes full of the standard condoms that the girls use there. Hopefully Palace sells these to the girls at knocck down prices.

LBC

Jackyo

05-31-08, 13:10

Sorry, Jackyo –don't want to flame you – but this is so incredibly stereotypical.

It's okay sometimes to put things graphically... but it just doesn't correspond with my experiences I had with women respectively their background coming from this country.

Globus
.. and yes, it is a stereotype, and yes, I have met exceptions too.

Doctor_Skank

05-31-08, 14:27

Ekliges Lauern

05-31-08, 20:29

Don't be naive. 90% of the girls in German FKKs do have a manager, pimp, friend. And a target the have to meet every day and hand over to the manager. Can ne between 500 and 700 each day. What goes above they can keep. There's managers with 10 oe more girls working for them, that makes a pretty neat income.

Well, if prostititution is the world's oldest profession, pimping is the second oldest. I'm not sure you can ever seperate the two. Basically, it's probably best to assume if she is from Eastern Europe and looks like she would be happy spending most of her free time in discos (youngish party girl types), I think its a pretty safe bet she has a "manager".

I do think that the 90% number is probably high as I have met a number of women with decent heads on their shoulders that I would doubt are working for someone else.

I was talking recently to a lady about Zwangsprostitution as I was quite comfortable that she was working for herself as her life story was convincing. She said a couple of girls had taken her under their wings and warned her of the common tricks men pull to trap women into working for them. The first is to get to know the women outside the club, likely by romancing her and dating her. Once the man knows enough personal details or even meets her family, he threatens to tell her family about her work if she doesn't agree to work for him. The other scenario was foreign girls that marry a German man they meet in their home country outside of Germany. In this case, once they get to Germay the man forces her to work in the club and may beat her to make she does.

I have met a decent number of women that I am convinced are working for themselves, but also a large number that likely have a "manager" or a bad boyfriend or husband.

I'm not sure laying off of the FKK scene combats the issue in any meaningful way as prostitution will always exist and the German scene is probably among the safest and most humane for the women involved. My personal answer to the issue is to gravitate more towards women that are less likely to be "managed" although I know there are plenty of women among my favorites that have "managers". And treat the women kindly, politely and with respect. You are part of an endless procession of men she is fucking and sucking for a living, so you might as well be nice about it. It is usually appreciated.

CT Dude

06-01-08, 05:55

I won't say what club where I saw this as I suspect it is prevalent anywhere.

In the 5 years I've been reading these forums I've occasionally read about the pimp situation, but I've never read about anything close to what you described, with pimps blatantly sitting there in the club taking their money. So it can't be that prevalent (the prevalence of pimps in general with these girls is a different matter, and one that I know absolutely nothing about). The impression I've gotten was that clubs discourage their presence whenever they can.

I really don't understand why you wouldn't tell us which club this was, especially since you found it so distressing. I expect it would upset me as well. Sounds like one we should avoid!

Ekliges Lauern

06-01-08, 06:57

I really don't understand why you wouldn't tell us which club this was, especially since you found it so distressing. I expect it would upset me as well. Sounds like one we should avoid!

Safety of all involved is a good reason. LBC is quite concerned about being outed. He is a rather larger than life character who makes quite an impression at the club. Frankly, neither the club, nor the "managers" want this written about and both can get quite nasty if push comes to shove.

I know its a longshot, but it is not a risk I would take.

CT Dude

06-01-08, 07:25

Safety of all involved is a good reason. LBC is quite concerned about being outed. He is a rather larger than life character who makes quite an impression at the club. Frankly, neither the club, nor the "managers" want this written about and both can get quite nasty if push comes to shove.

I know its a longshot, but it is not a risk I would take.

Fair enough. But is this situation really prevalent, as LBC suggested, or was this an isolated incident at a single club? Or, to phrase it another way and protect the innocent, has anyone besides LBC ever seen fully clothed pimps sitting in a club blatantly collecting their money?

Maybe someone with a lower profile can name some names. Or PM me and I'll spill the beans, 'cuz I got nothing to lose and what the clubs and "managers" want or don't want us writing about is of absolutely no consequence to me!

Basketcase

06-01-08, 08:28

Seriously, knowing that some Kosovo Albanian or Turk is collecting half is reason enough for me to stay home and forego FKK. Thankfully I can bury this revolting thought in the back of my mind and still enjoy the sex.

Doctor_Skank,

I think you are safe continuing to visit the FKKs and saunaclubs. It is okay because these guys were not Kosovo Albanian or Turk as you say they were very Central or Eastern European (think short blond haired young guys). The girls they came up to them and knew them were Eastern Europeans.

I just could not believe how blatant it was.

LBC

Hessen Bub

06-01-08, 11:01

Pimps you can see at almost every clubs from former Atlantis to World, Oase, Palace, Samya, GT and and and. They are part of the business and not THAT shy.

Nevertheless you are safe in the FKKs, why should they do any harm to the mongers they (their girls) get the money from? Just be careful when you start and somehow distract their girls from making money. This can get dangerous.

@Radel: To treat all girls nicely is the preferred way, no matter if managers are involved or not. And yes, FKKs for the girls do provide better working conditions than other forms of prostitution, but the psychologig pressure on the girls can be unbelievable. There's also some independent girls who make money for themselves only, from all parts of the world, but there's more girls with managers than most of us think. It's not a nice business, when talking to girls that trust you, you find out things you did not want to know about.

HB

Jackyo

06-01-08, 11:33

In the 5 years I've been reading these forums I've occasionally read about the pimp situation, but I've never read about anything close to what you described, with pimps blatantly sitting there in the club taking their money. So it can't be that prevalent (the prevalence of pimps in general with these girls is a different matter, and one that I know absolutely nothing about). The impression I've gotten was that clubs discourage their presence whenever they can.

I really don't understand why you wouldn't tell us which club this was, especially since you found it so distressing. I expect it would upset me as well. Sounds like one we should avoid!
Most clubs don't allow these guys to show up. It does shock me to read of them so blatantly taking their cut at this unnamed club.

Prostitution is legal. Pimping is not.

The clubs need to keep a lid on this if want to be on the right side of the law.

Ekliges Lauern

06-01-08, 11:52

Most clubs don't allow these guys to show up. It does shock me to read of them so blatantly taking their cut at this unnamed club.

Huh? Playing spot the pimp at World is a good way to kill time between sessions. One I have seen working security at another unnamed club. There have also been reports of conversations in Romanian between a girl and her manager posing as a guest understood by the monger. How are the clubs supposed to keep these guys out if they are willing to pay the the Eintritt and walk around like a guest at these clubs?

I was surprised as well by LBC's report, simply because it was so blantant. Frankly I was surprised because would not think the clubs would allow this as I suspect it puts them at risk legally. However, I know LBC and he is a trustworthy source, so I do not doubt that it occurred.

Basketcase

06-01-08, 12:34

Huh? Playing spot the pimp at World is a good way to kill time between sessions. There have also been reports of conversations in Romanian between a girl and her manager posing as a guest understood by the monger. How are the clubs supposed to keep these guys out if they are willing to pay the the Eintritt and walk around like a guest at these clubs?

My companion at this club and I discussed the manager in the club observing the girls assessing how much they would be earning. If the managers pooled together and paid one of them to stay at the club to watch the girls then it would be worth it. At World it costs €950 for a monthly pass. So over 30 days in a month that is about €31.67 per day. A reasonable investment to ensure correct accounting by your girls who effectively are funding the €950 monthly pass anyway.

I was surprised as well by LBC's report, simply because it was so blantant. Frankly I was surprised because would not think the clubs would allow this as I suspect it puts them at risk legally. However, I know LBC and he is a trustworthy source, so I do not doubt that it occurred.

To be frank, it was my companion at this club that spotted it first and I verified it when the cash was going from the girl to the guys and not guys to the girl. They were also dressed as well which made it even more unusual. My companion went to reception to query why dressed men were allowed at the bar and the answer after the receptionist came into the bar area from the front desk saw who it was that we were talking about was that dressed men are allowed in the bar area if all they are doing is drinking.

I wonder how far I would get if I did the same walking into a club and not paying entritt on the basis that I just wanted to drink at their bar.

This part of the bar area to me is inside the club as fully naked girls are wandering past as well as men in just towels or robes.

LBC

Vito Corleone

06-02-08, 05:10

In the 5 years I've been reading these forums I've occasionally read about the pimp situation, but I've never read about anything close to what you described, with pimps blatantly sitting there in the club taking their money. So it can't be that prevalent (the prevalence of pimps in general with these girls is a different matter, and one that I know absolutely nothing about). The impression I've gotten was that clubs discourage their presence whenever they can.

I have seen many pimps hanging around in the clubs with a towel or robe checking on their chicks, but never heard of dressed men collecting then leaving. Like Hb said most of these women are pimped & if it bothers you then you should not play in any country as they are most likely pimped too.

CBGBConnisur

06-02-08, 19:25

Pimps shock you??!! I have seen a few drop off girls at clubs. Especially considering the large Eastern European population of women at these clubs, its not a surprise. Cocoon even has some living quarter for the women, I noticed there was a tunnel that clients are not allowed to enter and it connects to another building.

Jackyo

06-02-08, 21:18

Huh? Playing spot the pimp at World is a good way to kill time between sessions. One I have seen working security at another unnamed club. There have also been reports of conversations in Romanian between a girl and her manager posing as a guest understood by the monger. How are the clubs supposed to keep these guys out if they are willing to pay the the Eintritt and walk around like a guest at these clubs?

I was surprised as well by LBC's report, simply because it was so blantant. Frankly I was surprised because would not think the clubs would allow this as I suspect it puts them at risk legally. However, I know LBC and he is a trustworthy source, so I do not doubt that it occurred.
It may be possible to play this game at World but these guys have a Hausverbot at the smaller clubs.

Having them hanging around does put the clubs at a legal risk.

In a large club they can get away with it.

I've had several women say to me things like: "My boyfriend this or that.. or my husband this or that."

The pimp status of this boyfriend or husband is never clear.

One thing is for sure: when they say something like this, some guy out there there is banging her bareback. Makes you think twice about going down on a chick like this.

CT Dude

06-03-08, 08:15

Toscana

06-03-08, 12:13

@Jackyo: Girl who can milk a goat eh? That's a winner for my money.LOL. Goat Friend Experience. These acronyms always confused me.

Jackyo

06-03-08, 12:28

LOL. Goat Friend Experience. These acronyms always confused me.
I've never been to Romania.

All that I've see of it was in the movie "Borat". Though it supposedly takes place in Kazahkstan, those village scenes were filmed in Romania.

Nothing against goats, by the way. There is nothing like a good fromage de chevre every now and then.

The next time you session with one of these women and you ask yourself where her handjob technique comes from, wonder no longer. She has learned from experience that that extra squeeze of the tip at the end extracts more juice.

And some of you may wonder what happens to these women after their careers are over. Thirty or forty years down the road, what becomes of them? Its a legitimate question.

As Marlow has speculated here before, next time you pass an old woman (a Babushka) muttering to herself at a bus stop, you should turn around and imagine what she used to look like when she was in her twenties.

A lifetime of trying to outrun mounted Cossacks swinging swords would make you paranoid too.

Brings to mind Tennyson's "The Charge of the Light Brigade" and the days of Empire.

CBGBConnisur

06-03-08, 16:14

But what we pay for is the illusion. If a chick I fuck has a pimp, c'est la vie. Still, I don't need to know about it and part of the appeal of this whole scene (to me at least) is that they shouldn't be in your face. In the situation LBC described they clearly were.

I rank pimps lower than whale shit. But I'm pragmatic enough to maintain an "out of sight, out of mind" attitude (perhaps some would call it denial). Either way, it only works if they are indeed out of sight.

Pimps maybe lowlifes, but your insults are basically like the people protesting China by hoisting themselves on the Golden Gate bridge with cables that are made in China, absolute futility. Just because prostitution is legal in Germany does not mean that its free of some unpleasant elements.

CT Dude

06-03-08, 18:33

Pimps maybe lowlifes, but your insults are basically like the people protesting China by hoisting themselves on the Golden Gate bridge with cables that are made in China, absolute futility. Just because prostitution is legal in Germany does not mean that its free of some unpleasant elements.

Well duh! Dude, you completely missed my point.

My point wasn’t to insult pimps or even make any statement at all about how prevalent they are or how we may or may not be supporting their enterprises (and I'm STILL not making or implying any such statement). Obviously I don’t like them; who here does? But I plainly acknowledged they exist.

Regardless of their existence, I don’t want to be confronted by them. Their unmistakable presence would likely be a continuous reminder of the seedier side of the business, which isn’t exactly conducive to me having a good time, and that’s what I’m there for in the first place. Maybe they’re always gonna be there, and maybe if I wanted to try and pick them out I could, but that’s not something I personally would ever do. If they’re discreetly hanging out keeping an eye on their girls, it’s not gonna affect me one way or another because I wouldn't even notice (I’m not saying I tacitly approve, but it is what it is). Out of sight, out of mind. LBC’s account piqued my interest because it sounded so unavoidable. And it seems it made him at least as uncomfortable as I imagine it would make me, probably even more so.

I stood at the bar thinking and mouthing "wankers, wankers, wankers" at them and as they walked past me I called them "fuckwits" and "cocksuckers". They just ignored me and waved at the receptionist as they left.I really meant to throw in an “attaboy” for that, but I forgot. But he shouldn’t have been put in that position to begin with, and apparently the club, or at least some employees, were totally complacent. Like I said in the first place, that sounds like a club we should avoid.

That’s all.

Ekliges Lauern

06-04-08, 02:12

It may be possible to play this game at World but these guys have a Hausverbot at the smaller clubs.

Having them hanging around does put the clubs at a legal risk.

Actually, I have it on good authority that there are pimps at Berndt's. You probably don't haven't noticed them as they aren't as young, nor are the the hard-bodies of their counterparts at the big Hessen clubs. Their supporters are very vocal and loyal, pointing to their superior Ausstrahlung over their counterparts at larger clubs as well as their consistently superior service.

Radler (runnning and ducking)

Iseeu

06-04-08, 02:25

Actually, I have it on good authority that there are pimps at Berndt's. You probably don't haven't noticed them as they aren't as young, nor are the the hard-bodies of their counterparts at the big Hessen clubs. Their supporters are very vocal and loyal, pointing to their superior Ausstrahlung over their counterparts at larger clubs as well as their consistently superior service.

Radler (runnning and ducking)
It's a well-known fact that Edith, the evening thekefrau is actually a famous pimp in drag. That's where she gets her wonderful demeanor from. LOL

Jackyo

06-04-08, 12:43

It's a well-known fact that Edith, the evening thekefrau is actually a famous pimp in drag. That's where she gets her wonderful demeanor from. LOL
Could it be that this is why Connie is always so charming and so delightful whenever I see her? :)

I've asked before if anyone had the pleasure of taking Connie out for a spin, so to speak, before she decided to switch to the other side of the counter but so far I've not met anyone who has said yes.

Iseeu

06-05-08, 01:24

Just got back to my hotel from visiting my favorite DAM RLD lady. Provides GFE including BBBJ and DATY in a 1 hour session for 100 Euro. Better value for money than some not-to-be-named FKK clubs. LOL

Of course, I've been visiting her during my periodic trips to DAM for almost 2 years so YMMV. She's widely reviewed on Ignatz, but is convinced that I'm marketing her skills on this forum, because she's been getting an upswing in demand lately from Anglo speakers. The experience with her is always enhanced by my hightened senses caused by some newest and greatest weed that my old college buddy who lives here, finds for each visit, and ensures that I sample before going off to visit her. Life is GOOOOOD.

I was also able to mix business with pleasure in Germany the previous 2 days, and, despite some last minute scheduling changes arranged by my ever too eager PA, which necessitated dropping Bernd's from my schedule, still managed to visit 3 clubs in the course of 30 hours. Beverly's FKK gang bang night was hotter than ever, Freudenberg has undergone a generational change (a popular term in the US these days) dropped its MILF image, and now deserves more attention (thanks Radler and others for promoting it), and Villa Vertigo, which I was greatly anticipating, was a huge disappointment.

Planning on writing longer reports during the flight home and posting on each, but thought that I'd just raise a big CAUTION sign and suggest avoiding VV until it gets its act together and recruits a reasonable lineup of SP. Some of the Dutch guys and I were joking that the place looked more like an upscale gay sauna, than an FKK. Never been to a wh*rehouse, where no one, and I mean no one, was f*cking. Very disappointing visit. 1st time in a long time, that I was actually looking forward to leaving an FKK without even one session under my belt. It's a shame because the facility with the sommergarten and pool now open and accessible, is very nicely done.

L8r

Gfe Finder

06-05-08, 03:53

Radler (runnning and ducking)

Radler,

No need to run.... I thought the others made clear in the Bernds thread that fair criticism of Bernds was welcome as the place is not for everyone. ;-)

Ekliges Lauern

06-05-08, 13:53

Radler,

No need to run.... I thought the others made clear in the Bernds thread that fair criticism of Bernds was welcome as the place is not for everyone. ;-)

Yes, they do tend to say that, but get rather defensive when I point out a number of the women at Berndts at least appearance-wise would fit comfortably into the Laufhaus environment or point out the claims on the service level are somewhat exaggerated.

That said, there are two good reasons to visit Berndts: 1) for historical purposes (we all do owe this club a debt for its place in monger history) 2) budgetary purposes (you like an FT finish but don't like to pay for it as an extra).

CBGBConnisur

06-05-08, 18:14

I thought the sister club of Bernd's St. Augustine was the superior one, too bad its been closed for a very long time.

Ekliges Lauern

06-05-08, 18:53

Freudenberg has undergone a generational change (a popular term in the US these days) dropped its MILF image, and now deserves more attention (thanks Radler and others for promoting it), and Villa Vertigo, which I was greatly anticipating, was a huge disappointment.

Not sure I was promoting the place (F39). Just reporting my visits. Glad you enjoyed it, some of the women and the club are undiscovered gems. Suggest you write a review.

Yes, VV is weird. Great facilaties, but the quality of the women is seriously lacking. Should have read my and LBC's reports before going there. Only reason I go there is because a friend likes it and I don't mind a slow day in the middle of a week long FKK/Sauna campaign. A review of VV would also be nice.

Basketcase

06-05-08, 23:59

Yes, VV is weird. Great facilaties, but the quality of the women is seriously lacking. Should have read my and LBC's reports before going there.

Villa Vertigo trip reports:

Radler 749627
LBC 749839

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

Iseeu

06-06-08, 03:25

Not sure I was promoting the place (F39). Just reporting my visits. Glad you enjoyed it, some of the women and the club are undiscovered gems. Suggest you write a review.

Yes, VV is weird. Great facilaties, but the quality of the women is seriously lacking. Should have read my and LBC's reports befiore going there. Only reason I go there is because a friend likes it and I don't mind a slow day in the middle of a week long FKK/Sauna campaign. A review of VV would also be nice.
I read your reports as well as others on the local forums. Due to the mixed reports coming out, I was aware of the VV situation, but I visited it anyway so that I can have my own knowledge base filled in, as I had not been there since its opening. I also had to travel anyway to AMS so it was "on the way". I agree that no expense was spared in designing and building these classy, stylish facilities, still, it was a really bad visit.

As I wrote, I'll file my reports of Beverly, Freudenberg (where I hooked up with your friend Sophie) and VV as time and my other responsibilities allow. Patience.

Jackyo

06-06-08, 03:32

I thought the sister club of Bernd's St. Augustine was the superior one, too bad its been closed for a very long time.
Anyone who had the pleasure of visiting the Sankt Augustine-Meindorf club before it closed will agree with you.

Jackyo

06-06-08, 17:50

Everhard

06-06-08, 19:15

This must be against EU law. I do not know about that, but in any case, Norway is NOT part of EU.

Love Palace

06-06-08, 19:58

i do not know about that, but in any case, norway is not part of eu.norway is not a part of eu, but as iceland and lichtenstein they have a eea treaty with eu and eu laws are implemented automatically.all 3 countries pays a lot of money to eu to be a part of the common eu market.

to make this law for norwegian it is like saying that they should drive accordingly to norwegian speedlimits when in germany(i believe 100km is max in norway!)

Jackyo

06-08-08, 13:48

to make this law for norwegian it is like saying that they should drive accordingly to norwegian speedlimits when in germany(i believe 100km is max in norway!)
... ridiculousness!

for all the stereotypes and complaints one has of germany and germans, their autobahnspeedlimits and their acceptance of prostitution are the two things they definitely have right.

studies have shown that aggressive feminists have tilted the us educational system so in favor of girls versus boys that boys are now at a disadvantage.

there aren't many places left when men can just be themselves and behave badly. germany is one of those few places.

DFWdude

06-08-08, 17:41

I was reading that the Norwegian government is soon going to pass a law prohibiting Norwegians from purchasing sex in Norway and abroad.

How are they going to enforce this? Well, the police are supposedly going to be allowed to use phone tapping/electronic surveillance!?

This must be against EU law. It has to be.

Similar law in the USA to ban "sexual tourism". Since prostitution is illegal in the USA, you can be prosecuted when you return home if you violate that law overseas....

Ekliges Lauern

06-09-08, 00:51

similar law in the usa to ban "sexual tourism". since prostitution is illegal in the usa, you can be prosecuted when you return home if you violate that law overseas....

um, no. the protect act of 2003 prohibits us citizens or permanent residents from engaging in international travel with the purpose or effect of having commercial sex with a person under 18, or any sex with a person under the age of 16. facilitating such travel is also illegal.

frankly, i have no problem with this law as people who travel to 3rd world countries which condone or turn a blind eye to ****d prostitution such switzerland for the purposes of having sex with a prostitute under the age of 18 deserve to be prosecuted. my main concern is some poor 16-18 yo guy will get snagged by this law if he has a 15 yo girlfriend overseas.

to date, there has been one prosecution of an alleged sex tour operator, ironically by the then new york attorney general, elliott spitzer. to date, the case against the operator, big apple oriental tours of new york, has been dismissed twice.

i wouldnt recommend bragging to customs and immigration that you just returned from a german fkk fuck fest vacation. however, i don't believe there would be any legal basis for prosecution in the us.

CBGBConnisur

06-09-08, 14:38

um, no. the protect act of 2003 prohibits us citizens or permanent residents from engaging in international travel with the purpose or effect of having commercial sex with a person under 18, or any sex with a person under the age of 16. facilitating such travel is also illegal.

frankly, i have no problem with this law as people who travel to 3rd world countries which condone or turn a blind eye to ****d prostitution such switzerland for the purposes of having sex with a prostitute under the age of 18 deserve to be prosecuted. my main concern is some poor 16-18 yo guy will get snagged by this law if he has a 15 yo girlfriend overseas.

to date, there has been one prosecution of an alleged sex tour operator, ironically by the then new york attorney general, elliott spitzer. to date, the case against the operator, big apple oriental tours of new york, has been dismissed twice.

i wouldnt recommend bragging to customs and immigration that you just returned from a german fkk fuck fest vacation. however, i don't believe there would be any legal basis for prosecution in the us.

most people do not think of germany as a sex tourist destination like thailand and brazil, in most cases us customs will probably not even say anything at all to you since you are coming back from a first world country. in any case pay for everything in cash and just say you went for a sightseeing vacation.

i don't know about norway but many finlandians go to estonia for p4p. in the case norway, have you ever seen their women? there are many of them who go backpacking through australia, and they are easily some of the most attractive women in the world. norwegian dudes have no real excuse to escape their women like those in the uk and north america.

Ararat

06-09-08, 21:55

Norwegian dudes have no real excuse to escape their women like those in the UK and North America.They don't? Do you know what feminism is? If you think your country has been hit hard by that it's only because you haven't been to Norway and/or Sweden yet.

CBGBConnisur

06-10-08, 16:48

well eastern europe and russia are not too far off for norwegians and poms can also go to the east. i heard of people taking weekend trips to the east but for americans its impossible to go to sa for a quick trip. flight to brazil from the us is looooong and its getting real expensive. eastern and central europe is fairly affordable for people from the west, especially with all those strong currencies.

oh yeah i heard in scandanavian countries women make men sit on the toilet when they [CodeWord111] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111), that is messed up. anyhow i prefer germany, eastern europe, and russia. feminisim in germany is nowhere near as strong as in north america, although it still exists there but maybe the country's strong catholic influences kept that under check.

Meindorfer

06-10-08, 17:21

Flight to Brazil from the US is looooong and its getting real expensive. .How about Mexico and the Caribbean ?

Meindorfer

Love Palace

06-10-08, 17:42

@CBGBConnisur

Yes a lot of Scandinavians go on weekendtrips to Czech (it is Central Europe, not East!), Poland and the baltic states. But monngering works best in Germany! Even if you can have better prices sometimes in theese countries, the standard and safety in the clubs are far better in Germany in general.Scandinavian couples also go to swingers clubs in Netherland and Germany.

US citizens should have good opportunities in Mexico.Or sneak via Can Cun to
Cuba? Canadiens are only 3,5 hours from Cuba? Lucky guys, can fly direct.50.000 arrives each week!

Breadman

06-10-08, 20:41

I heard of people taking weekend trips to the East but for Americans its impossible to go to SA for a quick trip. Flight to Brazil from the US is looooong and its getting real expensive.

Been looking into San Jose, Costa Rica...flights from New York, Boston and Chicago are very cheap (mid 300's). Houston and Florida also have cheap rates (being so close). From what ive read its not a big 'tourist' city but the place is loaded with girls. For those with airmiles...25k gets you a free flight in the states/canada. For 35k you get a free flight to San Jose.

p.s. the new iphone just came out. would there be a demand for one at a fkk club if I brought a new one along?

Basketcase

06-10-08, 20:53

How about Mexico and the Caribbean ?

Meindorfer

True, I've been to Tijuana like three times now. It is about one hour's bus ride from San Diego.

Cheers,

Londonbasketcase

Jackyo

06-11-08, 11:56

Feminisim in Germany is nowhere near as strong as in North America, although it still exists there but maybe the country's strong Catholic influences kept that under check.
.. to Bayern, which, most Germans will agree, is like an entirely different country in and of itself... hence the mostly miserable P4P scene once you cross the border.

CBGBConnisur

06-11-08, 15:50

There are HUGE numbers of Norwegian and Swedish backpackers who go to Australia every year and a good number who migrate to the country, I always found them far more approachable than North American and British women. New York women are the most aggressive and snotty women on the planet, that is my frame of reference since I used to live there, only London women are almost as bad.

South America is expensive if you have greenbacks, Brazil has become a pricey destination, people who have Euros and other currencies are better off there.
Its a lot easier for a European to travel East than for an American to go to Latin America.

Tijuana??!! What a shithole!! I prefer Germany, and you should also watch out for AIDS in a lot of third world countries. Quality vs. price Tijuana does not compare favorably to FKK clubs.

German women are nowhere near as feminist as American and Anglo Canadian women. Of course they are not doormats like those women from Asia and Latin America.

F Nature

06-11-08, 21:38

Re. Scandinavian women, some are sweet and some are bitches, there are both types.

But I think this has more to do with her personality than with feminism. Besides there's nothing wrong with feminism when it's about equal pay for equal work and similar things.

But of course when extreme feminism is on the agenda all the time the whole society becomes more harsh, more politically correct etc.

Iseeu

06-11-08, 22:43

...have to do with mongering in Germany?

Let's get back to the thread's topic. None of your opinions about Mexico, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Costa Rica, Estonia, Brazil, Thailand, Czech Republic, Poland, New York and Australia (did I miss a country?) have anything to do with mongering in Germany. Please find somewhere else to vent and give us back our board.

CBGBConnisur

06-12-08, 04:57

Well, most of the FKKing is pretty much around Dusseldorf-Koln-Bonn and the rest of the NRW and Frankfurt(Hessen). I remember the a guy from California used to run a guided tour, one of his partners still runs this tour operation for FKK clubs.

I never had a bad experience with a German woman in Germany, in fact my best FKK experiences have been with the Fraus. Some guys like Russians, I found them to be an acquired taste. When I used escort services back in the States, many of the Russian escorts often had some garlicky funk on them, many of them had garlic breath and I used to think that all Russians and CIS stink like that, and that put me off of a lot them. I used the services of a German woman in the US and found her to be a lot cleaner than most Russians I ran into. But I find the Russian women in Europe to have far better hygiene than their counterparts in the US, and the ones in FKK clubs definitely keep themselves in top knick.

Love Palace

06-12-08, 14:35

Akibono

06-13-08, 04:31

6 and 7 as the best cities to live in the world. Could it be the FKKs?

http://finance.yahoo.com/real-estate/article/105235/The-World's-Best-Places-to-Live-2008

Vito Corleone

06-13-08, 09:56

True, I've been to Tijuana like three times now. It is about one hour's bus ride from San Diego.

Cheers,

Londonbasketcase
Tijuana is overrated & a little dangerous. 7 years ago my friend & I were meeting up with some of our friends when the taxi driver was setting us up & taking us to the barrio. This was not our first time to TJ & we knew we were being set up. I squeezed the taxi driver's neck & dug my thumbs into his pressure points & cut off his air circulation & told him either take us back or die. My friend was getting ready to break his neck when all of the sudden he understood some English & wisely drove us to our original destination.

TJ is also very dirty & shaddy. I would recommend going with a group of 4-5 people. Traveling with someone with martial arts training is a plus. Do not drink the water!

CBGBConnisur

06-13-08, 18:04

Frankfurt, Dusseldorf, and Munich have been rated as among the best cities in the world. In the UN survey which focused on whole countries, neighboring France and Holland were listed as better countries.

Melbourne and Vancouver usually top that survey and for the first time they did not.

Sydney got a rating of 10, funny, I met a girl from Dusseldorf who is trying to move to Sydney, says its her dream to live there.

Dedalus

06-16-08, 22:05

„Top Ten IPM Sightings“

10) Flippin’ Schweinsteaks at Golden Time.

9) Playing his own version of “Hide the Bratwurst” in the Oase Kino

8) Singing “When, Irish Guys are Buying” to the colleens at Happy Garden

7) Looking for lovely ladies who will lip-lock his little Leprechaun at Living Room

6) Bummed out and disappointed that the rumors of a naked
Mary Robinson at Yin Yang turned out to be false

5) Telling the gals at Flamingo Island, “You’ve started an Easter Uprising in my shorts.

4) Thumbing through his mini Duden at Palace, looking for the correct translation for, “What! We still have 15 minutes left you thieving gypsy cow!”

3) Waiting at the Pohlheim exit, broke and half naked holding a big cardboard sign with the words, “WILL SHAG FOR FOOD” written on it.

2) Checking out the ISG board on a PDA at Villa Vertigo, trying to find out from LBC’s posts where he is supposed to be at 12:47 PM the next day, which hotel he is booked into, what the rate is, and how many and which birds his is planning to boff.

1) Running off to one of the outdoor huts at World with a cute dandy for a little “Cottage Pie.”

Slàinte,

Dedalus

Basketcase

06-16-08, 22:09

TJ is also very dirty & shaddy. I would recommend going with a group of 4-5 people. Traveling with someone with martial arts training is a plus. Do not drink the water!

Hi Vito Corleone,

Maybe I had a death wish but for all my three separate visits where I passed through Tijuana I went alone.

I don't know any martial arts but I can cook a decent carrot cake with cream cheese icing.

Regards

Londonbasketcase

(A poor lonesome LBC a long long way from home)

Basketcase

06-16-08, 23:40

Dedalus,

2) Checking out the ISG board on a PDA at Villa Vertigo, trying to find out from LBC’s posts where he is supposed to be at 12:47 PM the next day, which hotel he is booked into, what the rate is, and how many and which birds his is planning to boff.

This is hilarious and I take your point. I do like to plan as when it all comes together I get that thrill of completion or when it veers off to left field I can work out what I need to do to bring it back into line.

I usually do not have plan of which girls I going to boff as I do not know which girls are going to be working where and when. This is part of the reason I am a punter as I am taking a punt with a venue or girl that they will give me a good time.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

Basketcase

06-17-08, 22:53

To All,

I have a question to the all readers: why do the FKK clubs or any brothel for that matter get so many guys that are good looking model types or are well built body builder types or even both?

I look at these guys and think that they can pick up girls anywhere and fuck them for free. If I was as confident and handsome as them I would be trying it on with any girl that takes my fancy and not visiting escorts, saunaclubs, brothels or FKKs.

It is ordinary guys like me that have to pay for it.

What are other people's view on this general observation?

Regards

Londonbasketcase

Everhard

06-17-08, 23:17

they can pick up girls anywhere and fuck them for free.
As Charlie Sheen so eloquently put it

"I don't pay them for sex, I pay them to leave ..."

Iseeu

06-18-08, 00:29

I don't know any martial arts but I can cook a decent carrot cake with cream cheese icing.

Hmm- I don't know about that creamed cheese topping. Looks a little slimy to me. Knowing some of LBC's predilections it looks a little suspect. Is that your own home made variety? LOL

Basketcase

06-18-08, 08:22

Hmm- I don't know about that creamed cheese topping. Looks a little slimy to me. Knowing some of LBC's predilections it looks a little suspect. Is that your own home made variety? LOL

Iseeu,

No its not my own semen if that is what you are referring to. I would need to be pumping the stuff out of my dick for weeks in advance to get enough. Hahaha.

I use Philadephia brand of cream cheese mixed in some fresh lemon juice and icing sugar to create a lemon cream cheese icing.

Anyway thanks for the thought. Sticky biscuit games were left well alone in my youth.

Cheers

Londonbasketcase

Basketcase

06-18-08, 08:35

Hi All,

I have a bit of a decision to make. I booked a 5 day trip to Prague (flight £65) in Dec 07 when I did not know how much I enjoyed the German FKK clubs. On Monday I booked for the same dates of 10-14 July a trip to NordRhein Westfalen for £6.42. The car hire if I went ahead with a NordRhein Westfalen trip is €92.50 for the 5 days. Now having booked the two flights it gave me the option of doing for the same dates either a trip to Prague and its brothels or the sauna clubs of NRW.

You may ask why I did this.

I had someone I know drop out of visiting Prague and then reading the Prague reviews I was getting mixed results for pay for play action. Prague escorts and clubs seem quite pricey but not as bad as London but getting there. However, Prague is a great city to visit because of what other aspects culturally it has to offer. Then the sex side is also mixed where you pay at times London prices for mediocre service.

So these Prague reports and the potential absence of a companion who I suspect is pulling out prompted me to say I may as well go somewhere I know and enjoy and I am happy going to on my own. The thing that gets me is that clubs in the middle of villageland NordRhein Westfalen is not Prague for non mongering activities.

I am just wondering for those who have recent experiences of Prague and of NordRhein Westfalen sauna clubs what you would do given your vast experiences. Would you do the Prague cultural thing for 5 days and dip your toe in Prague's evening sex scene with a bit of warning of what to expect or go with what you know and go back to NRW to the saunaclub girls that you enjoy but the entire trip is about the clubs?

Thank you for your comments. I am tending towards going to NordRhein Westfalen for 5 days of sauna clubs but I know after I have this that I will regret not having been to Prague again (last time I visited was 2001) to see the changes. It is just going alone to a city like Prague that can be lonely as I no group meet ups whereas when I stay in a Nord Rhein Westfalen saunaclub all day I am not alone and I always meet another English speaker or usually an Ice Bear allows me to join their group. I have a great time interacting with the girls and the Ice Bears where I know that sort of comraderie will not happen in Prague unless I do the backpacker thing. Meeting someone in your hotel to spend 5 days with doing tourist things is harder to do but I have done it.

I welcome your thoughts on where better to spend my euros and my time off.

Kind regards

Londonbasketase

Toscana

06-18-08, 11:07

CBGBConnisur

06-18-08, 19:25

Those well built guys in the clubs could be pimps. Who really knows?? For some its more convenient to go to a club and pay for it than get into a relationship.

Wanderer1000

06-19-08, 15:32

Toscana,

Agree completely - words of wisdom from an experienced guy.
I just go to the FKK´s now.

Basketcase

06-20-08, 00:11

In Prague you will need more luck to get good sex than in NRW. And you will have to work much harder for it. Prices are rising to German levels.

The clubs in P. have few good reports these days. Certainly poorer than the FKKs, and services (ZK, BBBJ, CIM) are a big, big limiting issue. Leaves the escorts (can be good, but bait-and-switch is rampant, and extras ramp up the cost quickly), or the privats. The latter can be very good indeed and cheaper, but you need planning, time, organisation and a little luck. There will be language difficulties. If you like hunting, they are great. But most of the privats pack up by early evening, so combining them with tourism during the day doesn't really work.

My advice: don't try to get the best of both worlds. Go to Prague to enjoy a world-beater city (but 5 days?). Maybe try the clubs or a recommended escort in the evening, but anticipate disappointment. Or go to Prague to work for your luck with the privats and don't expect to have time for tourism. (If you want to get a feeling for what that entails, you'll find what I and others wrote on that on the RoD thread in CzechRep. A bit old now, but not much has changed.)

If you want good sex practically guaranteed: NRW.

Toscana,

Thank you for the advice. I will write off the GBP£65.46 for the Prague flight and go to NRW. I might be able to claim back some government taxes on the unused flight but there is always an admin fee that is effectively the taxes that you paid.

NRW I know I will enjoy because of the plentiful sex and high calibre service that is possible. The Prague pay for play scene does seem hit and miss. I will go back to Prague one day but maybe for a weekend to enjoy the sights only and have a night or two visiting the clubs. I have never mongered in Czech Republic although I have fucked a few Czech girls in my time. The Czech girls I have done in London and Germany seem to like anal sex. What fun!!

I have even wrote out a planned sauna club visit schedule of the venues that I have not been to that I should try in NRW. There is one which I am uncertain about but I know I need to bust my cherry there to claim my wings as a hardened German club visitor.

Wish me Fortuna's luck everyone!!!

Londonbasketcase

CBGBConnisur

06-21-08, 04:06

I recall the guys at ********** who ran the FKK tours were raving about Prague back in 2001 as being a cheap alternative to Germany. Things have changed a lot since then. Prague is one of the top European destinations for general tourism and the prices have gone up accordingly. These guys were raving about Czech women. I personally like Ukrainians the most.

Ekliges Lauern

06-24-08, 00:53

I know alot of punters use Ryan Air. I came across this video regarding Ryan Air's long haul service:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfIY24BErBE

For the record, its Blasen or Franzoesich.

Since we have established the price at 50 E, probably cheaper to buy and economy class ticket and pay ala carte.

BTW, I think I saw the translator in GT once.

JoyofSex

06-24-08, 22:52

Hi there,

I will be visiting Hamburg soon and was shocked not to find any recent info on the FKKs there. Have been to Palace in Frankfurt and really liked it. Anything similar in Hamburg?

Hessen Bub

06-27-08, 19:18

Hi there,

I will be visiting Hamburg soon and was shocked not to find any recent info on the FKKs there. Have been to Palace in Frankfurt and really liked it. Anything similar in Hamburg?

In Hamburg there is FKK 125 and FKK Atmos in Harburg.

http://www.fkk-125-hh.de
www.atmos-saunaclub.de

HB

Creature2

07-01-08, 17:44

GT, LR and VV claims they provide W-LAN inside the club. Is this service free of charge? What about Hessen big threes and the others? Do they have similar services?
That would be handy to check the incoming e-mails from the office. It is a bit merciless, knowing that your colleagues are suffering because of work loads while you are mongering, mais c'est la vie.

Xavier Yves

07-01-08, 20:13

Hessen Bub

07-01-08, 21:36

World claims to have WiFi, never found one with my ipod touch. Palace and Oase don't provide that service. For German residents a UMTS broadband connection is the right thing to choose.

HB

Dedalus

07-01-08, 22:05

Never see any customer use wi fi in GT. But heard the same rumor

GT does indeed have WiFi. I have even done a bit of live reporting from there. LR and VV have Wi Fi as well.

Never have found a signal at the Hessen clubs.

Cheers,

Dedalus

Vito Corleone

07-02-08, 00:40

World claims to have WiFi, never found one with my ipod touch. Palace and Oase don't provide that service. For German residents a UMTS broadband connection is the right thing to choose.

HB
I remember Fred writing live reports on the front entrance stairs @ World.

Henio

07-02-08, 01:06

I remember Fred writing live reports on the front entrance stairs @ World.
I think he was just taking notes

I do however recall World advertising that they were offering WiFi in the beach club area, or maybe I am mistaken.

Hessen Bub

07-02-08, 08:24

I do however recall World advertising that they were offering WiFi in the beach club area, or maybe I am mistaken.

They do. But nevertheless I did not find one.

HB

Travelforfun

07-02-08, 13:05

Does anyone know if Iuliya is still working at the club...i'll be back in town this month end ...

Henio

07-02-08, 18:38

Does anyone know if Iuliya is still working at the club...i'll be back in town this month end ...
For the last 5 years or so, I would estimate at least 20-30 Julias (or similar names) have worked there. It is one of the more popular "club names" the girls use along with all the "A" name (Alexandra, Andrea, Andra, Anita....).

I would suggest you give a bit more detailed description.

Vito Corleone

07-03-08, 01:10

I think he was just taking notes

I do however recall World advertising that they were offering WiFi in the beach club area, or maybe I am mistaken.
I think he was getting ready to practice his 1 handed push ups with .............

Travelforfun

07-03-08, 17:33

She's romania with black hair...used to be there last yr when i visited her twice...have some detailed reports about her in my previous post...

Starchild2012

07-03-08, 19:28

My month long vacation is coming up and im divided between many locations Thailand, Philiphines, Rio and now FKK franfurt...basically,,,monger friendly destinations and high number of post in ISG on a perticular location. :)

I'm from India and last time i was in singapore, philphines and i had to confront with some form of racial preduice while visting bars and clubs...it took some form of snake charming tactics or in say spending more money than usual to get laid at first and then after a while things became normal.

All in all the trip was great....but the first experience was a bit shaky and had to adjust myself.

I read radler's report that..his friend was denied entry while visting a FKK because of race.

After reading the FKK thread..i really want to give FKK a try ..but am afraid if my whole experience becomes bad...

After reading the reports FKK oase, palace, world seems to be most popular..

It seems no indians or asian's visit these places or there are no reports from asian guys visiting FKK in ISG.

Could someone guide me..what will be my experience like in FKK being a non-white guy and also if im allowed in and good to go..which hotels to stay close to Fkk's ...

I mean by non-white guy indian or brown people :D as some times people from other races are good to go..:)

i know we smell bad as i was pointed by many bar girls and they were right.its just the spicey based food we eat....but i promise to take two showers daily and apply whole sets of deo..if only i get an entry..i will do anything to be in :D

Thank You.

Iseeu

07-03-08, 20:37

I'm from India and last time i was in singapore, philphines and i had to confront with some form of racial preduice while visting bars and clubs...it took some form of snake charming tactics or in say spending more money than usual to get laid at first and then after a while things became normal.

All in all the trip was great....but the first experience was a bit shaky and had to adjust myself.

I read radler's report that..his friend was denied entry while visting a FKK because of race.

After reading the FKK thread..i really want to give FKK a try ..but am afraid if my whole experience becomes bad...

After reading the reports FKK oase, palace, world seems to be most popular..

It seems no indians or asian's visit these places or there are no reports from asian guys visiting FKK in ISG.

Lots of Asian's visit the 3 big Frankfurt clubs and you shouldn't have a problem at Palace, Oase or World. They're all use to getting foreign visitors. The worst case is that there may be a few SP who will avoid you, but most will judge you by the color and smell of your Euros and not the color and smell of your skin.

Radler's report (and there have been others) was referring to one of the NRW clubs, which are sometimes less foreigner friendly.

Palace is in Frankfurt proper and very accessible from downtown, so any centrally located hotel will do. The Flemings hotel is right next door and is a good place, but if you stay there, there's not alot to do, except to spend time in Palce. Probably better if you stay near the main train station. From there you can take public transportation to Palace and to Oase. Look at those threads for travel instructions.

Njoy...and post.

Basketcase

07-03-08, 22:23

My month long vacation is coming up and im divided between many locations Thailand, Philiphines, Rio and now FKK franfurt...basically,,,monger friendly destinations and high number of post in ISG on a perticular location. :)

I recommend Thailand - relaxing and the food is great. Take a four wheel off road vehicle into the mountains and go hiking. I did. I have not been to the Philippines or Rio. I go to Deutschland for the autobahns, doner kebabs, over 200 types of wurst, marvel at all the beers, schweinsteaks, and the girls.

I read radler's report that..his friend was denied entry while visting a FKK because of race.

I was not there at the gate but they were coming to meet me at at a NRW club. I was waiting for them with a crew of Nederlander ijsberen. I was distraught that they were not allowed in when advised by SMS. I went to VV to find them sans ijsberen. It was not the first time that our friend was told entritt war verboten.

I later consulted a Deutsch Turkei ijsberen at the same club on what happened and he says these things happen to both whites and non whites.
The club has the right to deny entritt. These clubs are private establishments not public services. In saying that I have seen non white Americans and non white British in the clubs as well but mainly in Hessen rather than NRW.

The ijsberen then pointed out a supreme Deutsch hottie to me and recommended her to me. She was not my type but he was trying to broaden my horizons of going for "my type". Boy was I glad I did as she was a great session pumping me dry with her boobs, muschi, hands and mouth before throwing me out of the zimmer.

She was tall, golden haired, blue eyes, huge mammaries, tattooed something fierce, well made up, haughty looking and confident looking down on me as to say - in normal life I would not even look at your unlovely pock marked face.

Later on as some Nederlands ijsberen were hauling me around the club introducing me to random girls as their pick up gimmick saying to the girls "we have a rare thing here - this is LBC from the UK" and I got called "cute" by the same haughty Deutsch girl. What a turnaround that a good session does for rapport!!

Anyway I am digressing.

After reading the FKK thread..i really want to give FKK a try ..but am afraid if my whole experience becomes bad...

Please do try the FKKs. It is an international experience which I think that you will enjoy. Bring plenty of euros and bags of energy. I survive on about 3-4 hours sleep when I am in Hessen because the clubs close at 04:00 or 05:00 and open again at 10:00. IN NRW I get more sleep as the clubs open at 11:00 and close at 01:00.

After reading the reports FKK oase, palace, world seems to be most popular..

All the Hessen big three are popular. Do not limit yourself to one. Once there you will find it hard to resist having just one session. I know on my first trip to Palace I had about 6 sessions in the one evening.

It seems no indians or asian's visit these places or there are no reports from asian guys visiting FKK in ISG.

You will find Asians in the Hessen clubs.

At Oase there are a couple of Indian girls working - they speak Deutsch and English. Palace also has Asian girls and at World I recall seeing one Asian girl but World has fewer than Oase and Palace generally.

For more preponderance of Asians posting about visiting brothels try using the world wide web the Asian forums. I stumbled across them one time when I was bored surfing the internet one day. I cannot read Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Thai, Turkei, Arabic, Hindi, Urdu, - all these people are Asians per your definition. I can only read what is written when the writers post in English (generally Hong Kong and Singapore writers and USA people of Asian descent ) but I have seen them.

I understand Macau is a great place to visit. My friends go there about once a year. Try Sauna 18. You get selections of Koreans, Thais, Chinese, Filipinas and Russians.

I have not checked many African sites. I have seen the odd post by South Africans some websites. They recommend the FKKs of Deutschland naturally. The reference is usually to guys who say they cannot get girlfriends or want some penile relief and are travelling through Europe.

Could someone guide me..what will be my experience like in FKK being a non-white guy and also if im allowed in and good to go..which hotels to stay close to Fkk's ...

You will be fine. Just go.

but i promise to take two showers daily and apply whole sets of deo..if only i get an entry..i will do anything to be in :D

Don't worry about showers you will have plenty. I shower when I arrive, I shower after each session with a girl which is between 3-5 times, then I also shower before getting into the whirl pool, I shower after a sauna, I shower after swimming in the swimming pool, I shower if I sit in the sunshine for extended periods (e.g. approx 2 hours) then I shower before leaving the club.

My skin is drying out by all this washing and using the provided liquid soap. I think the girls think I fuck like a dozen girls a day as they always walk by me showering at some time indicating I have just finished a session with a hottie.

I think I prefer a dozen krispy kreme donuts. Hmmmm.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

Globus

07-03-08, 22:51

Lots of Asian's visit the 3 big Frankfurt clubs and you shouldn't have a problem at Palace, Oase or World.
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I second that. You see lots of Japanese, Koreans, Indians and other Asians visiting the big Frankfurt clubs (Palace, Oase, World).
Not so much in the big NRW clubs (GT, PHG, Living Room etc.), where the clientele is more German, Dutch, Belgian, French (the neighbouring countries) etc. But you'll find Asian visitors there, too.

Globus

Trabic

07-03-08, 23:12

World claims to have WiFi, never found one with my ipod touch. Palace and Oase don't provide that service. For German residents a UMTS broadband connection is the right thing to choose.

HBAre you allowed to have your phone in the German clubs?

The Swiss ones that I have been to have big signs "No Mobile Phones allowed anywhere"

Thanks

Ekliges Lauern

07-03-08, 23:47

My month long vacation is coming up and im divided between many locations Thailand, Philiphines, Rio and now FKK franfurt...basically,,,monger friendly destinations and high number of post in ISG on a perticular location. :)

I'm from India and last time i was in singapore, philphines and i had to confront with some form of racial preduice while visting bars and clubs...it took some form of snake charming tactics or in say spending more money than usual to get laid at first and then after a while things became normal.

All in all the trip was great....but the first experience was a bit shaky and had to adjust myself.

I read radler's report that..his friend was denied entry while visting a FKK because of race.

After reading the FKK thread..i really want to give FKK a try ..but am afraid if my whole experience becomes bad...

After reading the reports FKK oase, palace, world seems to be most popular..

It seems no indians or asian's visit these places or there are no reports from asian guys visiting FKK in ISG.

Could someone guide me..what will be my experience like in FKK being a non-white guy and also if im allowed in and good to go..which hotels to stay close to Fkk's ...

I mean by non-white guy indian or brown people :D as some times people from other races are good to go..:)

i know we smell bad as i was pointed by many bar girls and they were right.its just the spicey based food we eat....but i promise to take two showers daily and apply whole sets of deo..if only i get an entry..i will do anything to be in :D

Thank You.

It kind of depends on what you like.

I like Thailand. It is an interesting place. That said, you better like Thai girls. I have also heard stories about anti-Indian attitudes amongst the girls. But if you can't get laid in Thailand, you can't get laid anywhere.

Club was GT. Suspect you might have issues getting in. I would advise you try it but be sure you have a backup plan.

If you are not familiar with Germany, I suggest you start with Frankfurt. Palace is easy to get to without a car. It has a very international clientel. But do read my guide in ROD on what to say and how to act as the place is somewhat sharky, particularly for newbees.

Oase is also very good and you should have no issues getting in. You need to drive, or follow one of LBC's guides for getting there on using the S-Bahn and a taxi or walking. Very good place for newbees.

This is just me, but I wouldn't go to World if I were Indian. They woud probably let you in, but the crowd ca be somewhat intimidating. I'll probably get flamed for saying this, but that's my opinion.

NRW is FKK 102. Once you get your feet wet, try NRW. But start out in the Frankfurt big three.

So, where's a white guy who finds Indian women amazingly attractive to go in India fora monger vacation <grin>?

Cheers,
Radler

Willem2

07-04-08, 02:01

Are you allowed to have your phone in the German clubs?

The Swiss ones that I have been to have big signs "No Mobile Phones allowed anywhere"

ThanksIn almost all the clubs you are still allowed to use your mobile phone.

But I don't think that will be very long : See also Iseeu in Villa Vertigo. He is someone who is taking photos inside a club with his mobile phone and putting it on the internet. And that will be the end for the mobile phone in german clubs. And I take Iseeu as an example but many people are doing that also without any permission.

Bigbird747

07-04-08, 02:27

It seems no indians or asian's visit these places or there are no reports from asian guys visiting FKK in ISG.

Thank You.Hi,

just to second all the comments below that as a fellow asian of the yellow skin type, I had no problems gaining entry to Oase. There were in fact a couple of Koreans and Chinese the last time I was there.

Just go and enjoy.

Vito Corleone

07-04-08, 04:25

My month long vacation is coming up and im divided between many locations Thailand, Philiphines, Rio and now FKK franfurt...basically,,,monger friendly destinations and high number of post in ISG on a perticular location. :)

I'm from India and last time i was in singapore, philphines and i had to confront with some form of racial preduice while visting bars and clubs...it took some form of snake charming tactics or in say spending more money than usual to get laid at first and then after a while things became normal.

All in all the trip was great....but the first experience was a bit shaky and had to adjust myself.

I read radler's report that..his friend was denied entry while visting a FKK because of race.

After reading the FKK thread..i really want to give FKK a try ..but am afraid if my whole experience becomes bad...

After reading the reports FKK oase, palace, world seems to be most popular..

It seems no indians or asian's visit these places or there are no reports from asian guys visiting FKK in ISG.

Could someone guide me..what will be my experience like in FKK being a non-white guy and also if im allowed in and good to go..which hotels to stay close to Fkk's ...

I mean by non-white guy indian or brown people :D as some times people from other races are good to go..:)

i know we smell bad as i was pointed by many bar girls and they were right.its just the spicey based food we eat....but i promise to take two showers daily and apply whole sets of deo..if only i get an entry..i will do anything to be in :D

Thank You.
With a name like yours, your negative vibe might just ruin your trip whereever you go.

I must have seen around 15 Indians @ Palace last night & I have seen Indians @ World & Oase also. Everything should be fine & some women might not go with you because of whateever reasons they have. Just try again with another chick. You might be denied entry in the NRW clubs though.

India is just as racist as any other country & maybe a little worse. Ask any lower caste Indian how it feels to be an untouchable then maybe you can start taking things with a grain of salt.

ISG members that I know are from all cultures. We all have our nick names & not all of us are European. Just relax & enjoy the hot women.

Wandere

07-04-08, 06:14

I am also an Indian and confess having faced discrimination at Thailand, inspite of being well dressed and am world travelled.

Let me say, at the outset, if there is discrimination, it is because of some of our bretheren, and it is not only at such joints but can be anywhere.

Having said, I have mongered in Germany and last month at Dusseldorf, (See report at Doce Vita)I must say I did not face any discrimination. Period!

All the same wherever I have faced, elsewhere than Germany, I saw to it with my behaviour it got eradicated, so my friend

Go ahead and have a ball!

With a name like yours, your negative vibe might just ruin your trip whereever you go.

I must have seen around 15 Indians @ Palace last night & I have seen Indians @ World & Oase also. Everything should be fine & some women might not go with you because of whateever reasons they have. Just try again with another chick. You might be denied entry in the NRW clubs though.

India is just as racist as any other country & maybe a little worse. Ask any lower caste Indian how it feels to be an untouchable then maybe you can start taking things with a grain of salt.

ISG members that I know are from all cultures. We all have our nick names & not all of us are European. Just relax & enjoy the hot women.

Starchild2012

07-04-08, 10:05

A BIG THANK YOU to Iseeu, Londonbasketcase, Globus, Radler, Bigbird747, Vito Corleone & Wandere.

Wow...That was comprehensive and my confidence level is boosted to a next level in just one day of reading all reports. :)

I like Thailand too, guess will divide my time between the two places as both are too hard to resist and my mind and my thingy can't seem to pick up a single location when it comes to choices of women :)

I will report on the tour as soon as i get my visa to Germany as they need all sorts of documents for a first timer and proof that i will come back to India less they think i could be a potential illegal immigrant..hell they would be right ..if FKK really clicks ...I don't mind being an illegal immigrant and spending my life & money lurking around FKKs :D

If i need any specific info's i will contact you guys again as most of the infos are already in the forum.

A big THANK YOU again.

Dick Rambone

07-04-08, 12:38

Chico Charlie 1

07-04-08, 13:00

Hi BL 5,

I know you from the Mumbai Forum and am sure you would know me as well. Being an Indian I understand your feelings.

I have been to two FKK's, Samya in Cologne and Palace in Frankfurt.

In both these places you are very well welcome by the management. However, there are some girls who may not like your skin colour. Avoid them like the plague. There are a lot of options to enjoy. You may also read my report on the FKK Samya forum.

The trick is to lay back and see which girl is watching you. Go fo her and not for the girl you like. They want money at the end of the day and will sure perform. Be confident and dont act like a novice.

Have fun mongering. Germany is a great paradiso.

Charlie

Ekliges Lauern

07-04-08, 17:42

Are you allowed to have your phone in the German clubs?

The Swiss ones that I have been to have big signs "No Mobile Phones allowed anywhere"

Thanks

Seems to be a fairly recent trend. When the first camera phones came out they were pretty much banned everywhere. I remember a guy talking on his mobile at PSW years ago getting quite alot of attention from the management.

I see people using their phones at VV and GT in the outside areas almost every time I am there.

Funny story, I had my mobile in my robe pocket at VV and had just finished getting a BJ in the Kino. My phone starts vibrating as a call was coming in. I had forgotten I had the phone in the robe pocket. The lady I was with became alarmed at the flashing light and vibrating. I took it out of the pocket and saw it was an eemployee calling me. I decided it was best to let that go to voicemail.

I think a good compromise is to post signs stating mobile use is allowed, but anyone caught taking pictures will get their ass kicked.

Henio

07-04-08, 18:32

Hessen Bub

07-05-08, 10:26

I know I am in the German club section, but here are all the club experts:

Is there something comparable in Barcelona? Somewhere in the city? Same concept, same pricing? Thx.

HB

Dedalus

07-05-08, 10:34

For some reason unknown to me, you will see lot more use of mobile phones in some of the NRW clubs (outside area) compared to f.ex Oase and World. I also do remember the times where it was stricktly forbidden and I for one would like to see it enforced again in all public areas of the club.

Hey,

While this IS true, I have a little different take on the matter. Or at least I did before all of the Villa Vertigo nonsense started.

While GT and LR do not have the "Handys Verboten" rule that the Hessen clubs do, it has never seemed to be abused on any of my visits to those places. I do remember some jackball snapping shots of the main area at GT with his mobile once, but Tatiana saw him and threw him out immediately. On the other hand, I often use my PDA to check emails and sometimes do live reports from GT or LR, and often I have done this under the nose of those club's managements. Of course they know me at those places, but it is kind of an honor thing, and say what you want to about GT's occasional door policy (which by the way, has less to do with skin color or country of origin than it does with guessing who will conduct themselves in a respectful manner) but they do generally maintain a clientele who know what is right and what is wrong, and are discreet without needing to have a rule book shoved in their faces.

Not saying that GT and LR clientele cannot be rowdy. Hell, most of the gents who visit the place are dutch ;-))) But there is an atmosphere respect and honor that puts me at ease if I see some dude open his mobile to make a call or send a text.

The situation at Villa Vertigo might have changed the equation for me a bit and this is really too bad.

Also, for what it's worth, when FKK World has the beach club open, one can use mobiles, computers or whatever in that area. In just about every other nook and cranny of every other Hessen FKK, the managements take the "Handy Verboten" rule quite seriously.

Cheers,

Dedalus

LongRange

07-05-08, 10:40

I know I am in the German club section, but here are all the club experts:

Is there something comparable in Barcelona? Somewhere in the city? Same concept, same pricing? Thx.

HBNo FKK clubs in Spain,but there is one club south of Barcelona,called club Riviera,cant remember exactly where it is,but all the taxi drivers know it,pricing was comparable to FKK,s,however the facilties are not as good,plenty of girls most Eastern europeans,but IMHO,not as good as FKK,s.

Hope that helps.

Hessen Bub

07-05-08, 10:42

In just about every other nook and cranny of every other Hessen FKK, the managements take the "Handy Verboten" rule quite seriously.

They do at Palace, but you can use your phone in the reception area or outside in the small area behind the sauna.

Oase is quite relaxed, everybody (boys & girls) are using their phone outside. I did some calls this week from next to the pool.

HB

LongRange

07-05-08, 10:47

I know I am in the German club section, but here are all the club experts:

Is there something comparable in Barcelona? Somewhere in the city? Same concept, same pricing? Thx.

HBHi again Hessen Bub,

I have now remembered where club Riviera is it is south of Barcelona, in the suburb, called, Casteldelfels, not sure if you can get there by train, but buses go there, maybe a taxi is the best option, thats how I got there.

Dedalus

07-05-08, 12:08

They do at Palace, but you can use your phone in the reception area or outside in the small area behind the sauna.

Oase is quite relaxed, everybody (boys & girls) are using their phone outside. I did some calls this week from next to the pool.

HB

Hey HB,

I did not know about the sauna area at Palace. Interesting.

I myself have used my mobile outside at at Oase, but I have also had personnel approach me outdoors when they have seen me with an Ipod and remind me that mobile telephones are absolutely not allowed, so I text and telephone rather discreetly. Most girls I know at Oase sneak call or text in the outdoor sauna cabin.

Cheers,

Dedalus

Ekliges Lauern

07-05-08, 13:15

...say what you want to about GT's occasional door policy (which by the way, has less to do with skin color or country of origin than it does with guessing who will conduct themselves in a respectful manner)

Bullshit

How does one tell a middle aged, well dress, clean, non-white person who has not spoken is likely to conduct themselves in a less than respectful manner?

Look, I understand that in Germany a business may exclude service from whoever they wish, but let's not try to sugar coat or play down what happened.

Dedalus

07-05-08, 14:29

Bullshit

How does one tell a middle aged, well dress, clean, non-white person who has not spoken is likely to conduct themselves in a less than respectful manner?

Look, I understand that in Germany a business may exclude service from whoever they wish, but let's not try to sugar coat or play down what happened.

Hey,

I sugar-coat nothing and although I am a pretty good bullshitter, I was not doing so in this instance.

I know personally several light-skinned, dark-skinned, fat, thin, eastern, western, etc. Gents who have absolutely no problem getting into GT.

Good day to you, Sir,

Dedalus

Hessen Bub

07-05-08, 15:04

Most girls I know at Oase sneak call or text in the outdoor sauna cabin.

Things have changed at Oase. Behind the scenes, and on stage. All girls are using their phones openly and loudly.

HB

Hessen Bub

07-05-08, 15:05

Hi again Hessen Bub,

I have now remembered where club Riviera is it is south of Barcelona, in the suburb, called, Casteldelfels, not sure if you can get there by train, but buses go there, maybe a taxi is the best option, thats how I got there.

Thx, I may try that. A friend has been there also.

HB

Ekliges Lauern

07-05-08, 16:11

Hey,

I sugar-coat nothing and although I am a pretty good bullshitter, I was not doing so in this instance.

I know personally several light-skinned, dark-skinned, fat, thin, eastern, western, etc. Gents who have absolutely no problem getting into GT.

Good day to you, Sir,

Dedalus

No, but I expect if GT were to raise its Eintriit to 51E, you would be one of the first on the boards screaming about the injustice of the price increase.

I never said all non-whites were excluded, or that a non-white would be consistently excluded. My friend was admitted the next day by a different receptionist. I understand the intent may be to exclude troublemakers, but in the instance I witnessed, the execution of this policy took the form of excluding someone because on their race. It is what it is.

Anyone want to fess up to being turned away at GT? A show of hands?

My point is not to call for a boycott or to discourage anyone from going to GT. I still go there. It is simply to inform.

Cheers,
Radler

Dedalus

07-05-08, 17:29

No, but I expect if GT were to raise its Eintriit to 51E, you would be one of the first on the boards screaming about the injustice of the price increase.

Only if the gals there started charging extra for kissing and fingering, and only if the service standards sunk to a level on par with the over-priced slatterns in Hamburg's Herbertstrasse, or the skanky, clap-ridden street walkers practicing their "two-minute-drill" in Frankfurt's Bahnhofviertel. It is certainly my hope that GT never sinks to this level, but if it can happen at Palace, then it can happen anywhere.

I never said all non-whites were excluded, or that a non-white would be consistently excluded. My friend was admitted the next day by a different receptionist. I understand the intent may be to exclude troublemakers, but in the instance I witnessed, the execution of this policy took the form of excluding someone because on their race. It is what it is.

I do not doubt your word. I have also seen their exclusion policy in action and mostly I have seen it applied to lily white dudes from Holland who might have been a tad young or looking to cash in on 50 Euro worth of beer and a cheap thrill, or some dudes who might as well have had "PIMP" tattooed to their foreheads.

I have no doubt that an injustice occurs at times and this is a shame, but I honestly do not believe they are trying to run an All-White or All-German, or All-Dutch or All-Whatever club. I do believe that they are trying to keep out the riff-raff and IMHO they do a pretty decent job of it.

My point is not to call for a boycott or to discourage anyone from going to GT. I still go there. It is simply to inform.

Cheers,
Radler

Your informed opinion is certainly appreciated, along with your razor-sharp wit and commentary. And by all means call for a boycott if you feel it is warranted. Won't bother me. Let freedom ring. I promise to give your observations all of the attention that they deserve.

Cheers,

Dedalus

Dedalus

07-05-08, 17:40

Things have changed at Oase. Behind the scenes, and on stage. All girls are using their phones openly and loudly.

HB

Hey HB,

Very interesting. It has been about a month and a half since I have been to Oase, but that will change sometime next week. Perhaps we can meet up at some point. I am interested to hear the "Wiesos und Warums" at to "die neue Bühnenanweisung, Bühnenausstattung und Bühnenausgabe.

Cheers,

Dedalus, Bühnenarbeiter wannabe

Ekliges Lauern

07-06-08, 14:45

I do not doubt your word. I have also seen their exclusion policy in action and mostly I have seen it applied to lily white dudes from Holland who might have been a tad young or looking to cash in on 50 Euro worth of beer and a cheap thrill, or some dudes who might as well have had "PIMP" tattooed to their foreheads.

Out of curiousity, just how many turn aways have you personally witnessed at GT? Were they from outside the gate or at the reception desk?

I have no doubt that an injustice occurs at times and this is a shame, but I honestly do not believe they are trying to run an All-White or All-German, or All-Dutch or All-Whatever club. I do believe that they are trying to keep out the riff-raff and IMHO they do a pretty decent job of it.

Didn't say they were trying to run an All-German or All Dutch club. I do think that the anti-riff raff policy in execution for one of the receptionist is certain race (or even subset based on appearance)=riff raff. I also think the character of the club has less to do with door policies and more to do with geography. Brueggen, unlike Frankfurt, isn't exactly a major transportation hub. It is out of the way and as such will not draw the same international crowd (riff-raff and all) as the Hessen big three.

Basketcase

07-06-08, 16:39

Things have changed at Oase. Behind the scenes, and on stage. All girls are using their phones openly and loudly.

HB

Hi Hessen Bub,

In my experiences at Oase the girls only use their phones in the outdoor area to make calls or usually in the patio area in between the two sauna rooms. I do not see girls using their phones inside the main building.

I also see guys take calls in the garden and not inside the building.

I think this is correct as you cannot get good reception inside the main building. I mean you never hear a phone going off in the valuables lockers and when i check my phone in the valuables locker it says "no signal".

At Palace I can times hear phones ringing in the valuables lockers so at Palace they are not blocked out by the building.

This is so different to the Amsterdam red light district scene where you have paid €50 for 15 minutes of CBJ and CFS then the phone rings and the girl takes the call from her girl friend or her manager is checking up on her. All her talk time and interruption is generally included in the 15 minutes you paid for. Very few if any give you back the time but then the fact she has interrupted the session to take the call is enough to put you off. Anyway this is my experience so others may see different in the Amsterdam RLD.

At Oase or any other FKK or saunaclub I have not had a girl interrupt a session to take or even make a phone call. This is good service to me and is another reason I am reluctant to return to the Amsterdam RLD to punt.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

Hessen Bub

07-06-08, 16:55

Yep, no (almost) no signal inside Oase.

HB

Basketcase

07-06-08, 17:16

Hessen Bub,

I have now remembered where club Riviera is it is south of Barcelona, in the suburb, called, Casteldelfels, not sure if you can get there by train, but buses go there, maybe a taxi is the best option, thats how I got there.

This is what I know about Riveria club near Barcelona. On a midweek visit in the early evening you may get around 25 women and later as the evening pumps up at around 11:00 you will get about 50 women. This is Spain so things do not really hot up in terms of visitors until the wee hours.

The girls are from all over the world. You will find all sort so colours there but what I have found is a fair split between the Latin world and the East European worlds.

To elaborate the latin girls were generally not local Spanish but hail from South America and predominately Brazilian. I find the Brazilian women stunning just like I do in England.

The Eastern European girls are mainly Bulgarian and Romania training and bronzing up here in Summer here for dispersion by their managers to the clubs in Netherlands, Germany and Switzerland no doubt or the other way round depending rotating between the clubs.

You find the girls make a circuit of the Madrid clubs, the Barcelona clubs, the Costa Blanca clubs and the Costa Del Sol clubs. A bit like what some girls do in Deutschland moving in between clubs.

Girls are dressed in lots of different lingerie. Some have some really cool outfits. The weekends you will find more girls working so maybe about 30 women in early and then maybe around 75 women later on.

The girls are friendly and speak English in general.

I am not sure where you are staying but taking a taxi from Las Ramblas would be about €30 each way. Like a few of the Spanish puti clubs there is no charge to get in. It is €5.00 for a towel charge. 1/2 hour was €80.00 and 1 hours was €160.00 with Anal as extra. Costa del Sol saw half hour at €70 and gone are the days of the peseta when it was even cheaper.

The rooms were small with small showers so nothing special. Lighting on the dark side. The place is on the small side compared to the Hessen clubs and can get very crowded later in the evening and there is more competition for the good service girls with fantastic looks.

I understand that the Riviera is Russian owned.

As for places in the Barcelona centre you will have many options but the issue is finding them all as they are mainly private apartments. This will take time to do and can be a bit hit and miss. You can visit several apartments before finding a babe that you like and will do the services you want.

In Costa del Sol the private apartments advertise in local free newspapers. I usually pick up the English language ones and start ringing around.

Using apartments is difficult for the non Spanish speaker as English is rarely spoken in these lower end places but the prices are much cheaper and the services more better. On the other hand you feel that there is much more trafficking going on in the private apartments especially when there is a bloke hanging around and does not look like a punter.

Cheers,

Londonbasketcase

Hessen Bub

07-06-08, 18:36

@LBC: Thx for the information. Does Riviera really open at 5pm only? Then I might go and visit one of the appartements before.

HB

Basketcase

07-06-08, 19:37

@LBC: Thx for the information. Does Riviera really open at 5pm only? Then I might go and visit one of the appartements before.

HB

I have not been to it when it opens but I understand that it is open all days of the week, from around 17:00 or 18.00 until 05.00. Remember this is Spain so things kick off a lot later than in the Central and Northern European countries.

It is more expensive with the €80 per half hour charge. In Club Estark92 in Torreliminos near Malaga the price was €70 for half a hour. Things may have changed but hopefully they have not. Just expect prices to go up rather than down and the prices will meet expectations rather than not meet expectations.

Be sure to interview the girls for services as CBJ is standard nowadays. Say you want BJ no gummi and move on if she says no. I try to do this but I succumb to CBJ because the girl is just so pretty and I just really want to fondle her arse. It costs €80 she tells you.

Gone are the days of the peseta when for about GBP20 to GBP25 you got BBBJ, DFK, DATY, Covered FS and CIM or COF endings.

This is why I like the Deutschland Clubs so much.

All I can say is thank you for letting us visit your wonderful country and tolerate all us foreigners even though we are Europeans too (or not Europeans for that matter).

It is times like this that I glad UK is a part of the United States of Europe.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

Basketcase

07-06-08, 20:04

Out of curiousity, just how many turn aways have you personally witnessed at GT? Were they from outside the gate or at the reception desk?

When I hang out in the lobby in between the men's changing room and the reception desk facing the gated entrance door I see the entry policy at work. I am standing here usually because in the warmer times it is cool here because of the door is open (but the gate is still there) and also you can catch the girl you want coming back from freshening up from the ladies or you are there waiting for your chosen girl to go get a room key from the room key custodian in the office behind the reception.

I have seen single and groups of guys let in but then next group are not let in. The thekenfrau doing the personal touch by entering the gated cage area to explain to the would be visitors that the place was full. The group that stood out for denial over my many visits was Asians. Each refusal of entry was the gents standing outside the gate and not at the reception desk.

I have had ijsberen tell me that both white and non whites are turned away but agreed that there is an undercurrent of non whites not usually allowed in unless well known. I have not seen large groups of young Dutch that are turned away but I have seen single Asians and groups of Asians turned away at the gate while I have stood there waiting for my girl to go to the room with her. Africans I have not seen turned away but their visitor numbers are so much smaller than Europeans and Asians. However, I do know one friend who is non caucasian has been refused entry when he was coming to meet me there and had been refused a couple of days earlier when he came on his own. In saying that I have seen one West Coast USA African American in GT but only the one. he has been to GT a few times before introducing others to GT. I made acquantainces with him (hi, if you are reading this).

At times I wanted to ask the slim and pretty thekenfrau (i wished she worked as a provider as she has the look I like) why she turned away the one and not the others but realised it was not my place as a guest.

When I discussed this with my UK friends later on they understood my concern and said to me that "all evil needs to thrive is for good people to stay silent". Do your bit.

This was why when my friend was refused entry that day I went to ask why and was backed up by some ijsberen who were there as well. The reply was the club was full which is a euphenism that there was to be no more discussion on the point. We knew that the place was not full and we even checked the lockers to make sure and there were many empty locker doors open.

One alternative is to visit when the club first opens. There is usually a line of guys waiting to enter so when the door opens you just go in and line up to pay just like evryone else when the door opens. They can hardly say they are full at opening time and you have been let in along with all the other visitors to the reception desk. I did this open the club thing one time and there was an mature Asian guy in the line. He got in.

Didn't say they were trying to run an All-German or All Dutch club. I do think that the anti-riff raff policy in execution for one of the receptionist is certain race (or even subset based on appearance)=riff raff. I also think the character of the club has less to do with door policies and more to do with geography. Brueggen, unlike Frankfurt, isn't exactly a major transportation hub. It is out of the way and as such will not draw the same international crowd (riff-raff and all) as the Hessen big three.

I am always so polite to the thekenfrau and always thank them for letting me in. I would hate it if I was turned away so I sympathise with anyone that has been turned away as it can be a very humiliating experience.

I also thank the bar staff who think it is amusing me trying to speak Deutsch. Just like at Oase they know my drink and when they see me at the bar they just get my drink and put it before me and I go "Danke Schon".

I thank all the staff at Goldentime and say hi to the security guys too although we do not talk much as my Deutsch does not go beyond a few single words (not sentences).

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

Henio

07-06-08, 20:07

...It is more expensive with the €80 per half hour charge. €80 is the asking price. Negotiation is expected. You can go as low as €60 for 30 minutes and €100 for 1 hour, although I would say the normal result at Riviera is around €70/€120

Like a few of the Spanish puti clubs there is no charge to get in. It is €5.00 for a towel charge. 1/2 hour was €80.00 and 1 hours was €160.00 with Anal as extra I have never paid extra for any special service, only time it was mentioned as extra was when I actually met a girl from Oase working at Riveria for few weeks. You just need to make sure it is on offer and include it in the total package. Girl might not want to come down from the €80/€160 asking price knowing that you gonna pound her ass and come in her mouth though.
Sometimes there is a charge to get in, depends on number of factors such as time of night, weekday or weekend, if you are in a group of drunken dudes having a night out etc etc. The charge is couple of more € than a drink costs in the club and the receipt is a voucher for one drink so no big deal.

Dedalus

07-06-08, 22:30

Out of curiousity, just how many turn aways have you personally witnessed at GT? Were they from outside the gate or at the reception desk?

It's just a guess, but I reckon 5 times or so. I am a pretty good regular and have been for some time, but since they took away the couch across from the reception I am not hanging out in that area that often. Only to flirt with Tatiana or snag a gal after getting paid. This could be why I have seen the door policy in action relatively few times in relationship to my number of visits.

Cheers,

Dedalus, who is full of "riff-raff" tendencies, but always tries to mind his manners

Vito Corleone

07-08-08, 03:33

Things have changed at Oase. Behind the scenes, and on stage. All girls are using their phones openly and loudly.

HB
I was @ Oase on Friday 6/27 & I also saw many people openly using their cell phones.

Vito Corleone

07-08-08, 03:40

Out of curiousity, just how many turn aways have you personally witnessed at GT? Were they from outside the gate or at the reception desk?

I have seen it done twice & both times were outside the gate. the 1st time A big muscled security guard kind of shook his head & told them it was full. Then the security guard let both Henio & I in about ten seconds later.

The 2nd time I was returning from a quick shower & noticed some young gents turned away outside.

Vito Corleone

07-08-08, 03:49

In saying that I have seen one West Coast USA African American in GT but only the one. he has been to GT a few times before introducing others to GT. I made acquantainces with him (hi, if you are reading this).
Londonbasketcase
I know an East Coast USA African American guy who visits quite frequently. We both visited GT for the first time 2 years ago.

Jackyo

07-08-08, 08:29

I don't know how it got to this. It must have something to do with my obsessive-compulsive side or because I tend to be overly communicative in person. The women notice it immediately: Du wirst nicht kommen, wenn du zuviel redest! This is very true. I need to concentrate.

I would have wanted to write an essay with profound thoughts and insight but that will have to wait. It occured to me also that though I initially thought I'd have to wait until 2009 to write a ten year retrospective on hobbying in Deutschland, 2008 is actually my tenth season. 99 was my first, 00 was my second, 01 was my third,... so 08 counts as my tenth season.

I am just back from a trip to NRW where I visited several clubs.

Here are a few quick reviews. I'll also post a set of quick reviews of PTs in the PT section.

Blue Note. I haven't been since at least 2005 so it was time to return. It will not meet the criteria of most guys in this forum and I will not recommend it for that reason. It is small, facilities are basic, the selection is small, food-wise it is nothing to write home about. You've been properly informed. I did, however, have a great time and will return often. Why? The women are mostly the girl next door type. Some of you prefer to look for 8s and 9s; me, I prefer nice looking local girls who are funny, articulate (if they were foreign they had been in Germany for a while and all spoke German well - in other words, they weren't Fresh Off the Bus or FOB as they mostly are at certain not-to-be-named clubs (or off the boat or train or plane, for that matter)) and service-oriented. I don't like that deer-in-the-headlights reaction that I sometimes get from FOB EE women who have nothing upstairs and with whom I have nothing in common. A GFE for me is actually a chick I'd like to hang out with in real life. In real life, I don't hang out with women I can't understand or who aren't very smart.

Samya. Went to check out the renovation. The bar is now in the shape of a U and it juts out way into the center of the ground level room. The couches are still where they were. The card table, surprisingly, still remains. It is against a wall facing the outside area. The outside area is closed during the renovation. Upstairs they've created another contact area and they really threw money at it: it has several flat screen TVs, loveseats in Puff-style upholstery with fake tiger fur trim, black leather chairs and a small bar. Watch your step! They sunk the center of the room (Pourquoi? Moi, je n'en sais rien.) There are also rooms up there along with a bathroom (I believe). I was there on a Saturday and in the middle of the prime evening hours there was a Maennerueberschuss. Nice selection but you had to scramble to find company. Sitting on Barhocker for hours on end is tiring, by the way. The women all wait downstairs to make connections. None hang out upstairs.

Bernds. Bernds ist Bernds. Nuff said. Great outdoor activity despite signs near the dressing door saying one shouldn't allow oneself to be visibly excited outside. Ground level floor is now off limits to smoking (supposedly).

I also spent a bit of time in southern Bavaria and Austria, by the way, where I had absolutely no sex.

If anyone has any ideas on where I can screw a chick wearing a dirndl, do let me know. It is becoming a major fetish of mine.

I spent part of the past weekend trying to not be too obvious looking at this chick's cleavage. She was wearing a dirndl and she was just about to burst out of it.

Jackyo

07-08-08, 09:35

CBGBConnisur

07-08-08, 16:46

I saw an African American guy at Living Room who had an uncanny resemblance to Barack Obama. He looked kind of nervous, as if he did not want someone to spot him in a brothel.

Jackyo

07-08-08, 17:40

I have had ijsberen tell me that both white and non whites are turned away but agreed that there is an undercurrent of non whites not usually allowed in unless well known. I have not seen large groups of young Dutch that are turned away but I have seen single Asians and groups of Asians turned away at the gate while I have stood there waiting for my girl to go to the room with her. Africans I have not seen turned away but their visitor numbers are so much smaller than Europeans and Asians. However, I do know one friend who is non caucasian has been refused entry when he was coming to meet me there and had been refused a couple of days earlier when he came on his own. In saying that I have seen one West Coast USA African American in GT but only the one. he has been to GT a few times before introducing others to GT. I made acquantainces with him (hi, if you are reading this).
Hey LBC,

Are you referring to Southern Asians from the sub-continent or to East Asians?

The impression I have is that they focus on Northern Africans, Middle Easterners (Arabs) and Turks. I could be wrong.

To avoid the chance of being turned away at this club get there early. Also, have a back up plan.

Or better yet, don't go. I think GT is a good club but large clubs just aren't my scene. It will be a while before I return to it and guess what? I'm not missing anything.

Jackyo

07-08-08, 17:45

BL5,

I am latino and don't look anglo at all. I had no problems getting into Blue Note, Cocoon, PT Dorsten. I do not know about the other clubs as Goldentime. I noticed some girls did not want to interact due to that they did not speak english or did not understand. On those I moved on as there were other fish in the pond.

Best,

Dick
Yes, you can get by with sign language and yes, English is spoken a lot, blah-blah-blah.

But it is quite a different experience when you can actually communicate with her. It puts her more at ease; it puts you more at ease.

Some women don't want to deal with it and will make themselves scarce not to have to do so.

Starchild2012

07-08-08, 18:27

Thanks Chico and Dick for the advise..but unfortunately...it looks like I'm no where close to getting a visa..:(....on the day i posted here.. there was a front page article on a daily (DNA) regarding Indians and Indians from even britain finding it very hard to get a schenzen visa..

Everyone is a potential immigrant for them.... ;)

Chico..how did you manage to get the Visa

Well..I will be hoping to make UK my base on HSMP visa :) that should make it easier to go around EU.

Till that time..my travel agent has suggested to go to Macau..wow...after going thorugh the embassy site......that is the only country worth mongering though managed by China allowing indians visa free travel for 30 days..yeah not even visa on arrival is required..i can just hop in with my bag and get out on macau in less than 5 hours...no need to circle around embassies....

Thailand does it but have to get a visa on arrival..which is ok too..just one hour wait on the desk..

Did all forum hopping and it does seem a good place to check out...not a casino fan but still wanting to see the biggest casino and third largest office building in the world plus lots of WGs and sauna to choose from ( this should keep me from the disappointment to not making FKK this time :( )

Well it seems..its now BKK>>>Macau>>>Manilla for me :)

Ekliges Lauern

07-09-08, 00:00

I saw an African American guy at Living Room who had an uncanny resemblance to Barack Obama. He looked kind of nervous, as if he did not want someone to spot him in a brothel.

That seals the deal for me, I've voting for Obama.

I'm one of those guys who thinks the only thing Eliott Spitzer is guilty of is over paying.

Basketcase

07-09-08, 00:02

I have seen it done twice & both times were outside the gate. the 1st time A big muscled security guard kind of shook his head & told them it was full. Then the security guard let both Henio & I in about ten seconds later.

The 2nd time I was returning from a quick shower & noticed some young gents turned away outside.

Hmmm, I think I had better turn up for my next visit with a big cheesy grin looking imploringly at the security camera with a big box of belgian finest chocolates and a huge bouquet of seasonal flowers for the receptionist so ensure I am let in future.

I hope that they remember me.

Cheers,

Londonbasketcase

Ekliges Lauern

07-09-08, 00:15

I was thinking of creating a questionnaire which would form the basis for a club selection guide.

You would answer a couple of questions, articulate your requirements and it would point you at a club or clubs which met your criteria.

You could, but in some respects part of the fun of going from a newbee to an oldbee is trying different clubs and seeing what you like (and dislike). But if you insist, I'll take a stab at some questions. I would create a 5 point scale and survey the experienced mongers anmd come up with averages. Of the top of my head:

Club:

1. Size
2. Indoor facilities
3. Outdoor facilities
4. Food
5. Drinks
6. Room availability
7. Cleanliness
8. Smokiness
9. Customer/racial exclusion policy
10. Parking convenience
11. Public transportation convenience
12. Clientel
13. Kino action
14. Couch action
15. Management

Girls:

1. Average age
2. Average appearance
3. Diversity (Africans, Asians, Latinas, etc. in addition to EE and German girls)
4. Service
5. Sharkiness
6. Approach policy
7. Number of girls at 4PM weekdays
8. Number of girls at 9PM weekdays
9. Number of girls at 4PM weekends
10. Number of girls at 9PM weekends

I'm sure others can improve on this.

Basketcase

07-09-08, 00:30

Are you referring to Southern Asians from the sub-continent or to East Asians?

Jackyo,

Please I am only answering the question because you asked. I did not want to get flamed by the PC brigade here.

I meant Asians from the West and to an extent South Asia. East Asians I have seen a plenty in the clubs.

The impression I have is that they focus on Northern Africans, Middle Easterners (Arabs) and Turks. I could be wrong.

In answer I tend to agree.

To avoid the chance of being turned away at this club get there early. Also, have a back up plan.

Yes, this is the tactic that I suggested. If you turn up at opening time and th door opens to let in all the guys waiting as well then they cannot say its full and the door is open and you are lined up too. Its not the done thing to single you out and say you are not welcome in front of all the other customers.

Or better yet, don't go. I think GT is a good club but large clubs just aren't my scene. It will be a while before I return to it and guess what? I'm not missing anything.

Another good suggestion Jackyo. There is a wealth of clubs across the Nederlands, Belgium, Deutschland, Switzerland and Austria for us to attend. This club is not the only one, but in saying that this club has a hold of my heart with a suite of my favourite A list girls working here.

I am hoping to see them soon for some marvellous catch up sessions.

I am already in training mode - beefing up my vitamin intake with fruit and vegetables and abstaining from performing the Barclays before bed and also when I wake up. Hey - it helps me sleep and wake!!!

Kind Regards

Londonbasketcase

Iseeu

07-09-08, 00:58

That seals the deal for me, I've voting for Obama.

I'm one of those guys who thinks the only thing Eliott Spitzer is guilty of is over paying.
Yeah, but I've seen alot more guys that look like McCain...

Iseeu

07-09-08, 01:04

Iseeu

07-09-08, 01:15

I don't know how it got to this.
My friend,

Wow- I remember your 1000th post- wasn't too long ago...

On behalf of all of the FKK afficianados here on the board- Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.

Your knowledge and understanding of all things related to the German sex scene is unique and invaluable, and your informative and sometimes tongue in cheek posts have contributed immensely to the development of this board into a first source resource for English-speaking mongers.

You've certainly helped me and I'm sure countless others to discover the joys of this scene. May our pleasure be your pleasure.

Your obssessive compulsive behavior is a godsend. To paraphrase someone equally as famous "If you didn't exist we would have had to gone out and created someone just like you."

looking forward to your 3000th....

Ekliges Lauern

07-09-08, 01:41

Yeah, but I've seen alot more guys that look like McCain...

Q. Do you know what the women at Berndts call John McCain?

A. The young, buff guy.

Henio

07-09-08, 02:09

You could do worse. The Macau sauna clubs are amazing. Go to "18". You will never see a lineup of more than a hundred absolutely gorgeous Asian women like that anywhere in the world. The facilities are unbelievable, with jacuzzis, saunas, chair showers, different types of massages, full-service restaurant, a cinema and even bunks to sleep in if you want to stay the night.
And Bangkok isn't too shabby either. I know this is a bit off-topic, but as someone who has visited 18 sauna in Macau couple of times, I second what Iseeu says. IMO it kicks ass of any FKK I've been too. Increadible lineup, the folks who run these places actually understand the meaning of customer service and this comes from a die hard FKK fan. I would say all things considered, 18 sauna in Macau is the closest thing I have come to a perfect brothel, and I've been to quite a few of them brothels around the world. Rio sauna is another high end establishment. Macau has over 30 sauna clubs of various qualities (18 and Rio consistently rank at the top end). I would say the only drawback is the lack of verbal communication with the girl before you commit to a session, but then again, I've never had a bad session there either. For those who like to know more, check out the ROD in Macau thread.

Iseeu

07-09-08, 07:21

Q. Do you know what the women at Berndts call John McCain?

A. The young, buff guy.
Heh, Heh, Heh.

Q: And do you know what the Palace sharks call John McCain?
A: Fresh meat

Akibono

07-09-08, 07:56

Heh, Heh, Heh.

Q: And do you know what the Palace sharks call John McCain?
A: Fresh meat

A: DADDY!!

Starchild2012

07-09-08, 09:08

Jackyo

07-09-08, 09:35

My friend,

Wow- I remember your 1000th post- wasn't too long ago...

On behalf of all of the FKK afficianados here on the board- Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.

Your knowledge and understanding of all things related to the German sex scene is unique and invaluable, and your informative and sometimes tongue in cheek posts have contributed immensely to the development of this board into a first source resource for English-speaking mongers.

You've certainly helped me and I'm sure countless others to discover the joys of this scene. May our pleasure be your pleasure.

Your obssessive compulsive behavior is a godsend. To paraphrase someone equally as famous "If you didn't exist we would have had to gone out and created someone just like you."

looking forward to your 3000th....
Considering we all want to grow up sometime to be like you, I take this as a compliment!

Now if I could just come up with something profound and insightful to write about...

We will hook up the next time I am sure.

We all are looking forward to your 1000th post.

I am considering slowing down on posting and waiting for you to catch up.

Ekliges Lauern

07-09-08, 11:40

Hmmm, I think I had better turn up for my next visit with a big cheesy grin looking imploringly at the security camera with a big box of belgian finest chocolates and a huge bouquet of seasonal flowers for the receptionist so ensure I am let in future.

Actually, I'm inclined to try this, if just for laughs. The next time I approach GT with a non-white friend, I will have a box of Godivas on hand. If she comes out into the cage to signal "Voll!", I will smile meekly and offer her the box of Chocolates.

When she becomes puzzled and mutters something like "Was ist das?", I will reply, "Weil du shoene Augen hast." We probably won't get let in (and I will be personally permanately barred as a nutcase), it will be worth it for the laughs.

CBGBConnisur

07-09-08, 15:57

Ekliges Lauern

07-10-08, 00:18

FKK Freudenberg in Bochum is known to turn away non white guests. A friend of mine went there and a girl ran hysterically to the door saying Germans only. GT is owned by the same people who own Living Room which has some of the brownest women in Germany for a sex club. I don't think GT discriminates, neither does PHG. Both clubs though would turn away large groups of Turks.

Bernd's is also known to be a racist club as well. Even though they have minority women in their club.

OK, I'm going to say something nice about Berndts. A non-white friend asked me about whether I though he would be admitted to Berndts before going and I said I didn't know, but thought there was a good chance he would not be admitted. As it turns out, I was wrong and he was admitted.

GT has excluded him twice, once in my presence, so this combined with LBCs reporting indicates to me that GT does exclude based on race. There doesn't appear to be a consistent policy between door staff as someone turned away by one receptionist may be admitted by another.

F39, I asked the question of the receptionist as I have a couple of non-white friends I wanted to introduce to this gem. For the record, I have never seen any non-white guests, but this club is very much oriented to the locals stopping in for a long lunch, or stopping in on the way home from work (I guess you can alway blame the Stau). It has an active forum on the ice bears, so clearly the Dutch have discovered it. The receptionist told me that the club is for Germans only. She went on to say that they admit me because I speak German even though they know I am not German. Her tone was such that she suggested if my friends spoke Germen, maybe, but probably not. I took this as it was unlikely my my non-white friends would be admitted, even if they spoke German. So I'm not surprised about your story.

Iseeu

07-10-08, 01:15

OK, I'm going to say something nice about Berndts. A non-white friend asked me about whether I though he would be admitted to Berndts before going and I said I didn't know, but thought there was a good chance he would not be admitted. As it turns out, I was wrong and he was admitted.

I have met non- white guests at Bernd's- Asians, blacks, Turks, etc.- on many occasions. One of the Ijsbears whom I met at the club, and is an infrequent poster here as well, is actually an Afro-American. The claim by a previous poster that it has a racist entry policy is simply untrue.

Vito Corleone

07-10-08, 02:03

Hmmm, I think I had better turn up for my next visit with a big cheesy grin looking imploringly at the security camera with a big box of belgian finest chocolates and a huge bouquet of seasonal flowers for the receptionist so ensure I am let in future.

I hope that they remember me.

Cheers,

Londonbasketcase
I do not know what the big deal is about the door policy @ GT. I visited 3 times last October & the lineup was good, but nothing to write home about. A friend of mine called it "CRAP" but it was not that bad.

The next time I visit they either let me in or they don't. Whatever. I will just bring my stack of euros to another club.

Travel100

07-10-08, 04:01

One of the things I've always found intriguing about the FKK scene is that you can meet girls from so many different countries and cultures in such a small place (especially a place like Oase).

While reading through some recent FKK reports I saw reference to girls from countries that I hadn't met before in the FKK scene. Places like Lebanon, Serbia, Albania, Macedonia, Switzerland, half-Egyptian, etc..

It got me thinking that I've been lucky enough to have had sex with girls from All around the Globe, a good many of them thanks to the awesome variety that you get in the FKK clubs. So decided to make a List. I usually gravitate to the Europeans, especially the Eastern Europeans, when I'm at FKK's but I was amazed at how many different countries I've conquered (at least for 30-60 minutes or so).

I was wondering if anyone else ever made a list of the different Nationalities of the Girls they managed to have Sex with?

Here's mine:

French
German
Dutch
Flemish (the only girl with unshaved armpits I've had)
Spanish
Italian
Czech
Slovakian
Slovenian
Croatian
Austrian
Bulgarian
Romanian
Hungarian
Moroccan
Ukrainian
Russian
Estonian
Latvian
Lithuanian
Turkish
Belarus
Greek
Kazakhstan (Chantel of Oase and Jamilla of Bernds born there)
Persian
Canadian
French Canadian (didn't speak any English)
Korean
Dutch/Korean
Dutch/Indonesian (looked Hawaiian)
Thai
Brazilian
Indian
Polish
Cuban
Moldovan
Siberia
Uzbekistan
American (almost forgot)
Roma (Gypsy)
Filipino (Just remembered this one)

Now some of them I had in their own countries like Thai in Bangkok, Brazilian in Rio, Indian in Calcutta, French Canadian in Montreal, etc.. But A LOT of these girls were from FKK's. I think my list is up to 41. I'll be back in "FKK land" in 3 weeks so hoping to expand my horizons.

I'd be curious to see some "Lists" from other esteemed members.

Ekliges Lauern

07-10-08, 10:34

Anyone ever Make a LIST of the Different Countries Girls are from?

How can you be missing China? Chinese girls are like the McDonalds of paid sex, they're like everywhere, worldwide.

A few others from my list that are missing from yours:

Iraq
North Korea (or so she said)
Japan
Mongolia
Israel
Egypt

Toscana

07-10-08, 14:11

For ISG forumers you've got the question the wrong way round. It would be easier for them to list the countries where they haven't laid a pipe....

From memory you've beaten me to Dutch, Slovenian, Austrian, Canadian, Korean, Uzbek, and American FKK girls. Cross off Siberia, it's not a country. Roma?

I can add to those on your list, for certain, the following:

Dom Rep
Malaysia
Kenya
Jamaica
Tunisia
Cameroon
Ghana
Finland
Congo
Bolivia
Colombia
Philippines
Switzerland
Syria
Martinique (or is that France?)
Argentina
China
English

In addition I've had Romanians who have variously stated they are Italian, Spanish, Portuguese and French; Bulgarians who are really Greek or Turkish; Russians who say they are Greek and Finnish; Ukrainians who say they are Poles and Slovaks; and a good handful fresh off the bus who didn't seem particularly sure of anything at all, least of all where they came from or where they were, but were quite adamant they knew where they were going, and that was: Zimmer. So what's the point in fact?

Travel100

07-10-08, 14:13

How can you be missing China? Chinese girls are like the McDonalds of paid sex, they're like everywhere, worldwide.

A few others from my list that are missing from yours:

Iraq
North Korea (or so she said)
Japan
Mongolia
Israel
Egypt
Impressive additions there. I find the Middle Eastern Girls exotic but they're hard to find (guess it depends where you look). Japan and Mongolia would be great too.

I'm thinking a trip to F-39 and I should be able to add China.

Travel100

07-10-08, 14:24

...Cross off Siberia, it's not a country...
In addition I've had Romanians who have variously stated they are Italian, Spanish, Portuguese and French; Bulgarians who are really Greek or Turkish; Russians who say they are Greek and Finnish; Ukrainians who say they are Poles and Slovaks; and a good handful fresh off the bus who didn't seem particularly sure of anything at all, least of all where they came from, but were quite adamant they knew where they were going, and that was: Zimmer.
Very Funny! It's quite possible my Moldovan was actually a "Romanian" in disguise.

Siberia seems like a long way from Moscow, and since she is in my Top 5 ALL-TIME, I had to add a whole separate country for her.

Syria is a rare (and Exotic) one, nice job.

From memory you've beaten me to Dutch
For "Dutch" it would be worth a trip to Bernds to visit Mara.

Henio

07-10-08, 14:53

Here goes:

Thailand
Philippines
South Korea
China
Vietnam
South Africa
New Zealand
Indonesia
Mongolia (if only BJ counts)
Slovakia
Czeck Republic
Ukraine
Romania
Bulgaria
Hungary
Moldovia
Serbia
Kroatia
Slovenia
Montenegro
Spain
Italy
France
England
Germany
Netherlands
Belgium
Switzerland
Portugal
Greece
Turkey
Poland
Macedonia
Georgia
Armenia
Syria
Kazakhstan
Kyrgistan
Azerbaijan
Lebanon
India (half)
Malaysia
Kenya
Nigeria
Ghana
Cameroon
Morocco
Ethiopia
Ivory Coast
Sierra Leone
Tunisia
Brazil
Argentina
Jamaica
Dom.Republic
Argentina
Chile
Colombia
Cuba
Costa Rica
Venezuela
Ecuador
Paraguay
Bahamas
Vatican

I may be leaving out a few, but I think it is pretty much close to it. If I would add non P4P, I would have a few more.

oh, and just in case: The last one is a joke

CBGBConnisur

07-10-08, 16:16

Maybe Bernd's has changed its policies but I knew for a fact that it used to have a discriminatory door policy. I have heard this about GT as well, but I usually stick to Living Room. I think most good FKK clubs have no issue taking anyone as long as they pay.

FKK 39 in Bochum for sure has a discriminatory door policy, even more hypocritical considering the fact that the owner is a Turk.

Dedalus

07-10-08, 19:24

Here goes:

Vatican

oh, and just in case: The last one is a joke

Hey Man,

Thank goodness for that addendum. For a second I thought that we were gonna have to lasso that alter ego of yours and lock up our wives and daughters.

Still, I might pay some jingle to see you do your thing in the big "V".

Cheers,

Dedalus, who has not been to confessional in a while. Damn, those Novenas!

Ekliges Lauern

07-11-08, 01:58

Travel100

07-11-08, 03:30

Actually, it would be interesting to know if anyone has a nationality that no one else has. My nomination for myself is North Korea. I actually have bagged the original "axis of evil" as I also have Iran and Iraq on my list.

Has anyone seen an American or Canadian woman working in an FKK? About six years ago, I saw an American MILF in a Stuttgart FKK. She gave me the hard sell in the interest of national honor, but I declined as she wasn't my type.

I'm kind of surprised I haven't run into the occassional American or Canadian girl financing a year or two traveling around the world by working in FKKs a week every month. Also, when I was in college (many years ago), it seemed many of the American girls over in Europe studying would hop in the sack with the first European guy who lit their cigarette. Seems it would be a natural way for some of them to finance some extended travelling.

There was a Canadian girl working at Oase around 10 years ago (pre-kino days). Skinny, cute, and very petite girl named Suzi (total GFE). I think she was half Hungarian, after working at Oase for a while she moved to Toronto. She was definitely Canadian but since she was half Hungarian and spoke fluent German, she wasn't the proto-type "American or Canadian" you're probably thinking of.

It always surprised me also that there wouldn't be the occasional American at an FKK financing her time abroad and having some fun at the same time.

The Irish, Australians and Scandinavians seems pretty elusive. Haven't seen any mentioned yet. There was a Danish girl with big Tits that used to work at Oase, think her name was Eve or Eva.

Anyone ever seen any British, Irish, Australian or Scandinavians working at FKK's?

Ekliges Lauern

07-11-08, 03:56

She was definitely Canadian but since she was half Hungarian and spoke fluent German, she wasn't the proto-type "American or Canadian" you're probably thinking of.

I wouldn't think language would be an issue as I've noticed in my workd mongering that women seem to have a special talent for learning languages while on their backs.

Jackyo

07-11-08, 09:26

It always surprised me also that there wouldn't be the occasional American at an FKK financing her time abroad and having some fun at the same time.
There used to be an American chick who worked at Atlantis.

She once tapped me on the shoulder while I was sitting in that raised seating area and started to talk. I recognized the American accent immediately.

I've met other American (or half American) women at Babylon and Wiago but nowhere else. They were either raised in Germany or were half German and half American.

Babylon had an Afro American chick listed on their website earlier this year.

Years ago at Cocoon I met a blonde Turkish chick, Melek, who had worked as au pair in Los Angeles.

And a Thekenfrau at Wiago had once lived in Detroit. She was Turkish though, if I remember correctly.

Blooper

07-11-08, 13:15

I include Australian in my list, my first experience of mongering being in the Talk of the Town in Melbourne. But otherwise, my list looks kind of pitiful next to you guys.

CBGBConnisur

07-11-08, 14:30

CBGBConnisur

07-11-08, 14:31

There was a Canadian girl working at Oase around 10 years ago (pre-kino days). Skinny, cute, and very petite girl named Suzi (total GFE). I think she was half Hungarian, after working at Oase for a while she moved to Toronto. She was definitely Canadian but since she was half Hungarian and spoke fluent German, she wasn't the proto-type "American or Canadian" you're probably thinking of.

It always surprised me also that there wouldn't be the occasional American at an FKK financing her time abroad and having some fun at the same time.

The Irish, Australians and Scandinavians seems pretty elusive. Haven't seen any mentioned yet. There was a Danish girl with big Tits that used to work at Oase, think her name was Eve or Eva.

Anyone ever seen any British, Irish, Australian or Scandinavians working at FKK's?

There is a German woman with a British accent who works at Mettmann, you honestly would not know she is German unless she tells you.

Toscana

07-11-08, 14:49

Anyone ever seen any British, Irish, Australian or Scandinavians working at FKK's?Aren't we all forgetting Cordelia at World, contributor to this very forum?

Travel100

07-11-08, 16:47

Actually, it would be interesting to know if anyone has a nationality that no one else has. My nomination for myself is North Korea. I actually have bagged the original "axis of evil" as I also have Iran and Iraq on my list.

Scandinavians seem to be pretty rare.

Anyone have Iceland, Norway OR Sweden? (the "axis of Blondes")

By the way, the "axis of evil" is Very Impressive. Not an easy feat.

Warsteiner

07-11-08, 19:35

All these reports of the nationalities of women make me feel that I need to try harder as I am pretty much limited to Eastern/Western Europe :o

Ekliges Lauern

07-11-08, 23:48

Scandinavians seem to be pretty rare.

Anyone have Iceland, Norway OR Sweden? (the "axis of Blondes")

I propose the Axis of Blondes scavinger hunt. It took me seven years to get the Axis of Evil. Now I have a new goal.

I have to check out the Iceland and Norway forums now.

CBGBConnisur

07-13-08, 15:21

you do not want to deal with a scandinavian provider, their women are some of the most uberfeministic types you will encounter. their women make their men sit on the toilet seat when they [CodeWord111] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111), its that bad. better to have russian and ee types, even most german women are more submissive than anglo/scandinavian bitches.

Gfe Finder

07-13-08, 20:18

Did she speak German or English with you?

There used to be an American chick who worked at Atlantis.

She once tapped me on the shoulder while I was sitting in that raised seating area and started to talk. I recognized the American accent immediately.

Fkk Lover

07-13-08, 21:44

Radler,

There used to be a North Korean girl at GT six months ago. I think her name was Sophie. Adorable looking little thing with perfectly smooth white skin, and a horrible set of teeth.

If you ever do find her, her services are NOT recommended but hey, if you just wanna check 1 axis country off your list for 50 euros, then be my guest.

Jackyo

07-13-08, 23:09

Did she speak German or English with you?
.. spoke German to me.

I was puzzled at first by her accent and then it all fell into place. She was an American woman who had lived in Germany for a while.

I forget her name. I believe it was something like Diane.

There is a Dexter Horn video which is probably still floating around on the Internet which they made to show their potential clients what FKK clubs are all about.

The video was done in the early 2000s and has videos showing the facilities of Atlantis and the late, great Sankt Augustine-Meindorf club. If I am not mistaken a couple of Red Carpet clubs were shown too: Herne-Horsthausen, the Grimbergsauna, Penelope, the Alperbeck club.

She does the Atlantis tour in the nude.

Wonder what has become of her.

Jackyo

07-13-08, 23:13

There is a German woman with a British accent who works at Mettmann, you honestly would not know she is German unless she tells you.
I think you are referring to Akascha.

She is tall, thin (maybe too thin), blonde and she is German but speaks English with a very strong British accent.

Hessen Bub

07-14-08, 17:21

There was an American girl 2 or 3 years ago at Palace. She lived in Nürnberg. Godd fuck, tits made, blonde, maybe thirtyish.

HB

Pallino 69

07-14-08, 22:59

Dear friends, in the net some people wrote very bad things about Oase in these days: bad lineup, all the stars on holyday, bad food, not enough towels and not clean enviroment (orrible smell).

Nothing better at World (bad lineup, no grill, no beach club).

Next week I will stay 3 days in that area (Monday-Wednesday) and my idea was spend one day in every hessen big 3 (Palace, World, Oase).

Do you confirm the bad situation or maybe who wrote those things is trying to get people far from that places?

Tks for your help, I will try to payback with my reports.

Vito Corleone

07-15-08, 09:48

Anyone ever seen any British, Irish, Australian or Scandinavians working at FKK's?
I did a chick from Finland 2 yrs ago @ GT. Forgot her name. She was pretty hot.

Toscana

07-15-08, 10:34

There are Finns around. But Finland ain't in Scandinavia.......;-) Danes, yes, occasionally, but I've never been with one. And I cannot remember any Swedes or Norwegians at all. I would say they generally have no need. or if they do, they can earn more at home.

Jackyo

07-15-08, 12:11

I did a chick from Finland 2 yrs ago @ GT. Forgot her name. She was pretty hot.
Marlene at Samya is Finnish. Or at least she claims she is Finnish.

Bildhuebsch like she stepped out of a Penthouse magazine pictorial. Petite, blonde.

I have photos of her somewhere on my computer slowly undressing.

Nice to look at but totally uninspired in bed. She's been doing this for too long and it shows. My best example of what an Optikfick is all about.

I was with a Swedish blonde at Heavensgate once. She had been living in Germany for a while. I have her name somewhere. I just need to rediscover my notes.

What I remember most about her is that she had a barcode tatoo on her neck.

The other thing was that she hadn't cleaned up down there (I mean the backdoor) and she smelled really bad. Not my favorite thing.

So from that corner of the world I've still to meet Danish and Norwegian women. And then there are Icelanders who are in the middle of the Atlantic but are somewhat related.

Chico Charlie 1

07-15-08, 13:04

I agree with jackyo, Marlene claims to be finnish.

However, I disagree with the services claimed by Jackyo. For me she was the ultimate GFE, including taking extra 25 bucks for CIM.

Charlie

Jackyo

07-15-08, 13:28

I agree with jackyo, Marlene claims to be finnish.

However, I disagree with the services claimed by Jackyo. For me she was the ultimate GFE, including taking extra 25 bucks for CIM.

Charlie
.. that I've had better and I've had worse.

I found her rather cold. Her conversational skills were not outstanding. I went with her because of the way she looks. Mea culpa, mea culpa.

My own advice to myself is to check out her Ausstrahlung. I should learn to listen to myself.

YMMV, is what this comes down to.

My guess is that she is actually Russian (and some guys on Youppie have guessed the same, by the way).

A poster on Youppie described her as mignonne, est plutôt froide et pro... c'est-a-dire, cute (but) cold and professional. To top it off, he would suggest things (such as changes in position) and she would disagree and insist on having things her way.

Reminds me of a conversation between Burt and Ernie on the Muppets. Burt complains that he never gets his way: "Always your way, never my way. Always the frog's way, never my way. Nya, nya, nya..."

Here are photos of this chick so you can judge for yourselves:

http://www.freiermagazin.de/b1/3/183-01.jpg

http://www.freiermagazin.de/b8/4/184-04.jpg

http://www.freiermagazin.de/b7/5/185-03.jpg

CBGBConnisur

07-15-08, 14:15

I did a Norwegian nursing student, she had a real fat disgusting friend, she had a horrible nose in air personality.

Russians and Ukrainians are better.

Basketcase

07-15-08, 20:42

Actually, I'm inclined to try this, if just for laughs. The next time I approach GT with a non-white friend, I will have a box of Godivas on hand. If she comes out into the cage to signal "Voll!", I will smile meekly and offer her the box of Chocolates.

When she becomes puzzled and mutters something like "Was ist das?", I will reply, "Weil du shoene Augen hast." We probably won't get let in (and I will be personally permanately barred as a nutcase), it will be worth it for the laughs.

Hmmm, things might have changed in the positive. On my recent trip I saw in two separate instances of black men in the club and Turkei men as well.

I did not meet any ijsberen this trip so could not get a regular pulse of what was the story.

I can only think that this is for the better. Well done.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

Basketcase

07-15-08, 20:49

I do not know what the big deal is about the door policy @ GT.

I think it is a big deal when you are barred from entering any establishment that you have an expectation of entering and the refusal of entry has the implication that it is because of your race.

It can be humiliating and crushing. I understand.

I visited 3 times last October & the lineup was good, but nothing to write home about. A friend of mine called it "CRAP" but it was not that bad.

I like Golden Time and rate it as my favourite venue in Nord Rhein Westfalen. I usually find girls I like there and get the naughty services that pleasure me from the girls I like the look of.

I have a group of A list girls that I like seeing at Golden Time.

Nice to see a new pool (whirl or plunge pool) being built in the back garden next to the patio couch area just down from the beer fridge.

The next time I visit they either let me in or they don't. Whatever. I will just bring my stack of euros to another club.

Cool.

Choas,

Londonbasketcase

All For Bb

07-16-08, 09:45

Toscana

07-16-08, 10:00

how long driving from frankfurt area to samya? Is samya the closest to frankfurt among those best in NRW area such as golden time, phg, bernd? i will stay in frankfurt area for 4 days, one day for each big club. considering visit one in the NRW in the fourth day. is samya the closest to drive from frankfurt? thanks.Allow two hours to get to Samya. The Frankfurt area can be congested. Samya is on the southern side of Cologne, which is to your advantage. Yes, it is certainly closer to F. than PHG and GT. Bernd's is probably about the same distance as Samya?

Similar in size to Samya, and better on a good day, would be Finca Erotica in Dierdorf, which is not NRW, rather Rheinland-Pfalz I believe, but who cares? It's also closer, allow 1 1/2 hours max. from F. straight up the A3. Girls are naked, entry only EUR 30 between 11.00 and 14.00. Would be an alternative worth considering.

Ekliges Lauern

07-16-08, 12:03

Hmmm, things might have changed in the positive. On my recent trip I saw in two separate instances of black men in the club and Turkei men as well.

Glad to here it.

I do think that the clubs that exclude based on race do it out of a misguided opinion that their mostly white customers would be uncomfortable if people of other races are admitted. The reality is that people increasingly have friends across races and are offended when this is done to their friends.

Perhaps GT gets this now and has joined the 21st century. Now we need to work on F39.

Jackyo

07-16-08, 12:38

Similar in size to Samya, and better on a good day, would be Finca Erotica in Dierdorf, which is not NRW, rather Rheinland-Pfalz I believe, but who cares? It's also closer, allow 1 1/2 hours max. from F. straight up the A3. Girls are naked, entry only EUR 30 between 11.00 and 14.00. Would be an alternative worth considering.
If I were in your shoes and had a car, I would stop at Finca.

Nice selection.

Go find Louisa of Romania and Katja of Russia.

One big difference versus Samya: the girls at Finca are all nude.

Didn't Playboy magazine just publish a "Girls of Olive Garden" pictorial?

It will remind you of an Olive Garden restaurant.

Now we just need to find FKK Club equivalents for Applebee's, Friday's and Ruby Tuesdays. And let's not forget Red Lobster.

Jimmy Boy 99

07-17-08, 02:59

Akibono

07-17-08, 06:04

Does anyone know a SW who gives a body-to-body massage--preferably at a fkk?

Jackyo

07-17-08, 09:34

Does anyone know a SW who gives a body-to-body massage--preferably at a fkk?
... at Blue Note but the women who provide these massages there don't go all the way. They will get your juices flowing though.

The masseuse at Bernds does go all the way (see a current post on this topic under the Bernds thread).

Jackyo

07-17-08, 09:35

I checked the Finca Erotica website and there are only about 10 women shown there. Is that the actual number of women that work there? How does that compare with Samya and Parksauma Residenz in Lohmar? Thanks.
There are probably from 25 to 30 women there during peak.

The women are nude so that is a major difference versus Samya. Its a pretty good selection with a little of everything.

Its hard to believe that this club is run by the same folks who run World.

I can't comment on Parksauna Residenz as I've never been there.

Travelforfun

07-17-08, 10:32

Jackyo

07-17-08, 10:41

Is Finca Erotica possible by pubic transport...maybe not right till the door step but since im landing at Frankfurt...what's the nearest station to the club and directions from the station to the club after that...

Also wht is the price structure...?
Access without a car is a bit problematic. It is in the middle of nowhere but easily accessible from the Autobahn.

You need to take a train to Koblenz then there is a bus which takes you to Dierdorf. The bus makes multiple stops. Or you can get off at Montabaur, take a bus to the Siershahn Bf and then another bus to Dierdorf. It will take two hours or so to get there from the FRA Flughafen.

For the effort involved in getting there by public transport it would be worthwhile to spend several days there to make up for it. Its not something to do as a Tagesausflug by public transport.

The price structure is comparable to that in Frankfurt. I didn't extend any of my sessions there so I can't say what the one hour sessions cost.

There is a shift change so if you hang out long enough you will see the night shift come in.

Travelforfun

07-17-08, 10:59

Access without a car is a bit problematic. It is in the middle of nowhere but easily accessible from the Autobahn.

Awww...guess will miss out on the place then...dont have much time ... will stick to the old and tested Bluenote then...

What about Lug Ins Land you described my friend...with a similar price structure and same management I think it should be a good place for a change as well...

Jackyo

07-17-08, 12:15

Awww...guess will miss out on the place then...dont have much time ... will stick to the old and tested Bluenote then...

What about Lug Ins Land you described my friend...with a similar price structure and same management I think it should be a good place for a change as well...
.. but as I've written, its not every man's cup of tea.

Lug ins Land is just as geographically challenged as Finca is for the carless. Its about two hours away from Duesseldorf by public transport.

You take a train either from Koeln-Messe-Deutz or from Siegburg/Bonn to Betzdorf and then you take a bus to Brachbach.

Betzdorf is the end of the line for the S bahn which runs from Horrem or Dueren through Koeln to Hennef and then further to Betzdorf.

I've taken it to get to Hennef and then to that tiny nearby village by the name of Lichtenberg.

I'd like to write a limerick one day using the word Hennef: "There was a woman from Hennef, who... blank-blank... -ennef, she... blank-blank-blank-blanked, it blank-blank-blank-blanked,... she blank-blank-blanked.. -ennef"

Anyone care to take a stab at this?

Funny thing is that there is a DB train station at Brachbach but there is no train schedule to be found for it, d. h. it might be a freight station but not a passenger station (?).