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The price structure is 50 for the first half hour and 50 for the second...not sure about the prices for cim, greek etc since I usually don't bother with the extra's. They also have 2 happy hours, one from 11am till 1pm...the other is from 10pm till 11pm I think.That first happy hour lasts until 2pm.CIM is EUR 50 extra; anal "house price" is EUR 150. Ridiculous. Negotiate, but be very discreet.
Has anyone else noticed that FKK girls have stopped shaving ?
I just met several girls, different nationalities, clubs in Hessen that had stopped shaving their pussy. Some of them I did just weeks ago when they were shaved. What is happening with the world :confused:
Has anyone else noticed that FKK girls have stopped shaving ?
I just met several girls, different nationalities, clubs in Hessen that had stopped shaving their pussy. Some of them I did just weeks ago when they were shaved. What is happening with the world :confused:
Are you serious. I don't think I've ever seen Unshaved pussy, with the exception of Mara (and to a lesser extent Katya) of Bernds.
I was going to post a question asking if anyone has seen unshaved pussy at FKK's anyway, so I'll do it now.
Especially interested in Oase, World, F39, and Bernds. Since those are the clubs I'll probably visit starting the end of next week.
So has anyone ever seen a Natural Bush in a FKK? Mara has the biggest Bush I've seen and even she shaves her Lips totally. I'm attracted to things that are different from the ordinary. Once I had a Flemish girl in the RLD (Amsterdam) with unshaved pits, that was a bit of a turn-on just because it was unique.
Has anyone else noticed what Everhard has? Any Bush or unshaved girls to be found at any of the clubs I mentioned? (or even at another club)
Basketcase
07-22-08, 00:55
Has anyone else noticed that FKK girls have stopped shaving ?
I just met several girls, different nationalities, clubs in Hessen that had stopped shaving their pussy. Some of them I did just weeks ago when they were shaved. What is happening with the world :confused:
Hi Everhard,
I do have not come across FKK girls not shaving. I see a couple of girls in the showers at Golden Time shaving their legs, etc.. as the showers/lockers are shared there.
I expect most girls shave before they come to the club. Legs, arm pits, pubic region are the usual.
Most girls I come across are fully shaven muschis but a few have a racing stripe or a trimmed pussy region. I cannot say from experience that the pubic hair percentage of girls I encountered has increased on the number of girls encountered that have fully shaven pubic hair.
One girl I did at Golden Time did have a furry feeling arse - but that was okay as the hairs were light and gave a different sensation as my hands roamed over her pert bottom. I went back with her twice, but it was not because of her furry feeling arse. I liked her slim leggy look and her DD breasts.
Cheers Everhard for pointing this phenomenon out,
Londonbasketcase
Gfe Finder
07-22-08, 01:05
Are you serious. I don't think I've ever seen Unshaved pussy, with the exception of Mara (and to a lesser extent Katya) of Bernds.
I was going to post a question asking if anyone has seen unshaved pussy at FKK's anyway, so I'll do it now.
Especially interested in Oase, World, F39, and Bernds. Since those are the clubs I'll probably visit starting the end of next week.
So has anyone ever seen a Natural Bush in a FKK? Mara has the biggest Bush I've seen and even she shaves her Lips totally. I'm attracted to things that are different from the ordinary. Once I had a Flemish girl in the RLD (Amsterdam) with unshaved pits, that was a bit of a turn-on just because it was unique.
Has anyone else noticed what Everhard has? Any Bush or unshaved girls to be found at any of the clubs I mentioned? (or even at another club)
Well, last time I was at Bernds there was a blond girl, Lisa, whose pussy was unshaven. However, a.) it was her first day and b.) I’ve not seen any reports or even mentions of her since so I don’t know if she’s still around.
Ekliges Lauern
07-22-08, 01:19
I was going to post a question asking if anyone has seen unshaved pussy at FKK's anyway, so I'll do it now.
Especially interested in Oase, World, F39, and Bernds. Since those are the clubs I'll probably visit starting the end of next week.
It helps if you like Chinese girls as there is a cultural prejudice against a woman shaving her pussy. Sophie at F39 has a natural bush, although I would not call her especially hairy. Koko at Palace was unshaven for quite a while, however, last time I sessioned with her, she had gone native.
Danke, Gleichfalls!
And yes, I do speak German. Badly, but i do speak it.
OK, so my post to Jackyo was a bit over the top. I had a rather harrowing flight the previous night, didn't get enough sleep and got up on the wrong side of the bed.
My point in the original post was that I am quite familiar with NRW clubs with "no approach" policies. LBC and Timmendorf had noted the same thing, the vibe from the ladies is strange at this club (unlike other NRW clubs such as GT, PHG, F39, etc.) Jackyo's post was essentially: "it must be because you aren't familiar with the NRW club policies against women approaching. I think it is a better policy. Let me show you I know the German word for it." It really didn't address the discussion at hand.
Does anyone seem to notice?
The topic of animieren keeps coming up hence my wanting to say a few words about it and not elaborate.
Yes, it does not address the discussion at hand but it is a discussion which we have had before.
Is there a way to file these things away and point to the previous discussion when the topic comes up again?
On the Oase thread there is an ongoing discussion for the benefit of a newbie about the dress code.
Is the Verbot a better policy?
In my opinion, yes.
In clubs where the girls don't approach you you have more peace and quiet. Also the girls have to resort to various other ways to catch your attention. Yes, they will smile at you. And in the exhibitionistic clubs they will flash you or otherwise try to catch you looking at their pink parts.
There is an undercurrent of subtle flirting which goes on when they can't approach you.
That to me at least has more of an appeal than the more direct: "Hey, want some company?" or the more vulgar: "Hey dude, let's screw."
I am back from a three day Germany day time Business night time FKK trip. Last Sunday - Berlin Artemis, Monday - Frankfurt Palace, Tuesday - Frankfurt World. Unfortunately I had my worst FKK experience compared to the 4-5 past years since I discovered about FKKs. When I have seen the lousy selection and lack of talent at Artemis I was upset but two more FKK nights was what kept me happy. I was so wrong, Monday night, palace a total disaster. If someone told me that I would get out from a FKK without having sex, I would comment on it saying only if I am over 80 and have no Viagra. But the ladies were soo low quality and bad attitude it totally destroyed my dreams. Tuesday night World a little bit compensated itself but still nowhere close my past experiences (and I had many before)
Thinking why this could be I thought about two reasons: first the night selection: Monday I guess is the worst one especially when there is no expo in town. Second, all the good girls who were able to make Money went back home for holidays.
Live and learn, it proved that even at the world’s best organized mongering facilities you can have bad nights :)
I am back from a three day Germany day time Business night time FKK trip. Last Sunday - Berlin Artemis, Monday - Frankfurt Palace, Tuesday - Frankfurt World. Unfortunately I had my worst FKK experience compared to the 4-5 past years since I discovered about FKKs. When I have seen the lousy selection and lack of talent at Artemis I was upset but two more FKK nights was what kept me happy. I was so wrong, Monday night, palace a total disaster. If someone told me that I would get out from a FKK without having sex, I would comment on it saying only if I am over 80 and have no Viagra. But the ladies were soo low quality and bad attitude it totally destroyed my dreams. Tuesday night World a little bit compensated itself but still nowhere close my past experiences (and I had many before)
Thinking why this could be I thought about two reasons: first the night selection: Monday I guess is the worst one especially when there is no expo in town. Second, all the good girls who were able to make Money went back home for holidays.
Live and learn, it proved that even at the world’s best organized mongering facilities you can have bad nights :)
I think you answered your own questions here. Summertime, esp. mid-July through end August is, generally speaking, not the best time to catch clubs, in Hessen esp., touting their best line-ups. This is for a variety of reasons: Girls on holiday, men on holiday, low business events in Messe towns like Berlin and FFM (compared to Autumn, Winter and Spring when there are many, many Messe events). In contrast to this, in Hessen at least, Oase at BHH seems to be (this year in particular) holding its own through the summer with a pretty damn good line-up day in and out. I was there a three weeks ago and found Oase quite doable on Sundays and Mondays. A pity you chose Palace over Oase on that particular day! Btw: One factor at World on Tues: It is Dessous tag, so maybe that kept things down a bit???
However, I think in NRW things might be looking better than elsewhere. For example, a club like F39 gets 80% (or more) of its male customers from local sources. And afternoons esp. are active with men coming in during their "lunch breaks" from work. So I bet this club (and others in this region) do not suffer so much in line-up degredation during the summer months as do larger more Messe-based clubs like Palace and Artemis.
Lastly, it is well known that Sunday and Monday nights at FKKs are NOT the best nights to visit, regardless of the time of year.
Ortos
Nice to see that you still having fun in your mongering lifes.
Oase was a great place in June and I see it still being.
But guys, I've seen Frankfurt and fkks overthere. I think I'm pretty curious to change city for fkks in Germany.
From my city it's good connections for Stuttgart, Munich and Dusseldorf. Are there any places close to Oases' way of life, lineups. Summary, fkks that you can suggest to visit in those cities?
Big hug from.
Italia
Ekliges Lauern
07-23-08, 00:46
Does anyone seem to notice?
The topic of animieren keeps coming up hence my wanting to say a few words about it and not elaborate.
Actually, if memory serves, it was you that brought it up this last time. Nothing wrong with having another round of the golden oldie topic.
Is there a way to file these things away and point to the previous discussion when the topic comes up again?
The internet corrolary to the proverb "you can lead a horse to water, ..." should be, "You can point out the search feature to the newbee, but you can't click the button for him".
Is the Verbot a better policy?
In my opinion, yes.
Both have their pros and cons. Giving my Deutsch linguistic ineptitude, I'm going to refer to them as Sharkful and Sharkless policies.
Sharkful
Cons: Particularly right as you walk into the room, fending off the persistent advances of twenty or so very insistent and pushy women. Did someone just put a "fresh meat" sign on my back. I'll occassionally grab the first non-pushy woman I am interested in just so I have the "Pause" excuse to politely keep them at bay. I can see how some guys find this aspect enough to sour them off of sharkful clubs.
Pros: 1) Easier to test the chemistry or her sensuality. How she reacts when you politely turn her down with a smile and a "maybe later" tells you alot about a girl. If she gets all bitchy, well, you've just saved yourself 50E on a crappy session. Also, within reason, you can "sample the goods". I don't recommend letting a girl wank you for ten minutes then turning her down. However there is nothing wrong with testing how she touches you and playfully moving her hand away. Repeat until you have a sense of how she approaches things. Is she a woman who knows how to be sensual, or does she think he harder and faster she wanks the quicker you will be done with it?
2) If you session repeatedly with more than one girl in a clique, their friends will approach you expecting to session with you. The clique may even get territorial over you. This is not necessarily bad as the girls talk among themselves and your new friend will know exactly what you like and will bring her A game as she wants you as a regular too. I've had some great sessions this way.
Sharkless
Cons: As with anything subtle, it can be more difficult to test chemistry. I'm sorry, but if I initiate contact by sitting next to a woman I have a more difficult time deciding not to session with her because you are conveying the message "I was thinking about sessioning with you, but under further consideration, I've decided not to". Maybe it's just me, but seems kind of rude. I've had a couple of mediocre (and one outright bad) sessions because I didn't bail after initiating contact and sensed no (or bad) chemistry.
Pros: 1) Certainy more relaxing and laid back an experience.
2) Kind of fun to make the ladies to subtily entice you with a smile, a look or a strategic positioning of their attributes. I know one lady at a sharkless club who waits until you wander into an area in the back (not a Kino) that does not appear to be watched by the management and she will walk up to you and chat you up. Another fun thing to do when a lady is trying to attract your interest is to get up and go into the Kino and see if she follows.
To sum it up, I like both environments as each has its pros and cons.
I would have preferred snarky to snide. Perhaps you can translate snarky for me into German. It would help my German vocabulary.
Odd. When I look it up in my Duden or Langenscheidt, it says "Pumpkin-headed moron with a little-guy complex"
Darn things are probably broken. Maybe I should take them back.
As far as snide insults, I am kind of curious what it was that set you off. Was it my questioning the quality of your upbringing in the great "Sandra the Red" controversey? Or was it calling out as bullshit your statement that GT doesn't exclude by race? Or I maybe it was for pointing out that Jackyo posted a response that was unrelated to the discussion simply so he could use the word Animieren?
Probably a combination of all. But hey, we can't make everyone happy.
Cheers,
Radler (now where is that ignore button?)
That's a shame...
Cheers,
Dedalus
Nice to see that you still having fun in your mongering lifes.
Oase was a great place in June and I see it still being.
But guys, I've seen Frankfurt and fkks overthere. I think I'm pretty curious to change city for fkks in Germany.
From my city it's good connections for Stuttgart, Munich and Dusseldorf. Are there any places close to Oases' way of life, lineups. Summary, fkks that you can suggest to visit in those cities?
Big hug from.
Italia
Hi Italia77,
If you have connection to Dusseldorf, there you will find the finest of Sauna Clubs in westfalia. To name of some of them; Golden Time, Planet Happy Garden, Living Room and Villa Vertigo are all fine clubs. The latest one is a new luxurious club but the lineup is not well set yet. You may even cross the Dutch border to reach Dutch club Ying Yang. In south of Dusseldorf, in Cologne you may find Samya and babylon, and towrads North, near Bochum, club F39 Freude is not a bad bet to visit.
Ciao
C2
Basketcase
07-24-08, 07:43
Scandinavians seem to be pretty rare.
Anyone have Iceland, Norway OR Sweden? (the "axis of Blondes")
I have done two sisters at Golden Time - Lia (22 years) and Lena (?? years) who are German but have Swedish parentage. Lia claims she is Swedish German in her sales pitch.
I have done Finns before but right now I cannot recall Icelandic or Nordics in my resume of girls done. I may have done a Norwegian brunette who did a great CIM service in London but that was a few years back.
By the way, the "axis of evil" is Very Impressive. Not an easy feat.
North Korea, Iraq and Iran is a formidable feat. I salute you Sir.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
I've visiting Germany a couple of times a year in the winter for the last 5-6 years. It's never snowed while I've been there. I haven't thought about driving in the snow since I left the frozen north years ago.
Can anyone give me an idea if there are requirements for having snow tires on rental cars? Fines/liability/etc if you don't have them.
Thanks,
Boomer
I've visiting Germany a couple of times a year in the winter for the last 5-6 years. It's never snowed while I've been there. I haven't thought about driving in the snow since I left the frozen north years ago.
Can anyone give me an idea if there are requirements for having snow tires on rental cars? Fines/liability/etc if you don't have them.
Thanks,
BoomerGerman law now requires winter tires when driving on snow and most rental car companies charge extra for winter tires.
I usually check the weather forecast before deciding on winter tires. If you are not going to drive in the mountains the risk of snow is low. Also when it's snowing in Germany the roads are cleared pretty quickly.
The penalty for not having winter tires is something like 40€ but if you cause an accident or even blocks a road you can get serious problems. I don't think the rental car company will let you rent a car without winter tires if there is any risk of snow.
CBGBConnisur
07-25-08, 21:21
Very rare to see an unshaved woman in a German FKK. I don't recall ever seeing it
Very rare to see an unshaved woman in a German FKK. I don't recall ever seeing it
She is the first one who comes to mind immediately.
Are you serious. I don't think I've ever seen Unshaved pussy, with the exception of Mara (and to a lesser extent Katya) of Bernds.
I was going to post a question asking if anyone has seen unshaved pussy at FKK's anyway, so I'll do it now.
Especially interested in Oase, World, F39, and Bernds. Since those are the clubs I'll probably visit starting the end of next week.
So has anyone ever seen a Natural Bush in a FKK? Mara has the biggest Bush I've seen and even she shaves her Lips totally. I'm attracted to things that are different from the ordinary. Once I had a Flemish girl in the RLD (Amsterdam) with unshaved pits, that was a bit of a turn-on just because it was unique.
Has anyone else noticed what Everhard has? Any Bush or unshaved girls to be found at any of the clubs I mentioned? (or even at another club)
I agree that natural bush is a rare plant to find in the Western mongering world, but isn't it great to discover one now and then. Asia- now that's a different story.
There's a recent report on the Artemis thread by Wiild who writes of his recent visit :
"Shaved: Less than I thought were totally shaved: I had hoped that 60-90% would have completely shaved pussies, but I guess it was more like 40%."
40%. I find that statistic amazing for 2 reasons:
1) Did he really stand there and count these off? (BTW- is there a line judge present to make the ruling that it qualifies as truly completely shaven?)
2) If it's true, how have I missed this? Where have all the bushes been all this time?
Jammerking69
07-31-08, 05:05
Gents:
Few years ago, back in 2005, I visited this fantastic place in Frankfurt Germany, called the Pleasure Palace. Three huge rooms filled with over 40+ girls. It only cost 65 Euro to enter and each beautiful lady was 50 Euro for 30 minutes, MSOG.
Unfortuantely, I have not been able to locate their web site!
Does anyone know if they are still in business or if they changed their name?
Thank you all for your assitance,
F.
Vito Corleone
07-31-08, 12:03
Gents:
Few years ago, back in 2005, I visited this fantastic place in Frankfurt Germany, called the Pleasure Palace. Three huge rooms filled with over 40+ girls. It only cost 65 Euro to enter and each beautiful lady was 50 Euro for 30 minutes, MSOG.
Unfortuantely, I have not been able to locate their web site!
Does anyone know if they are still in business or if they changed their name?
Thank you all for your assitance,
F.
fkk-palace.de
Ekliges Lauern
07-31-08, 12:26
fkk-palace.de
Yep, that's why we Palace lovers like it. The multiple shots on goal in 30 minutes for only 50 Euros.
Serious, entrance is now 75 Euros and the general consensus is that if you are perceived as a tourist or newbie, some of the ladies may try to take advantage of you (charging for non-standard extras, charging more than the regular price).
I've had good luck with the club, but I tend to session with the same ladies that I like and get consistently good service.
Returning back to Germany, last July, after almost 8 months, caused to me at first a sense of unreality. I already had to renounce to a visit in March, and had been stuck with my problems and the obsessive and depressing atmosphere of my country, that took to me a while to be aware that I was really there again, forget all troubles and get ready to enjoy the goodness offered by this tolerant and polite country, that I like to call “Fuckland”.
I left on a Tuesday with an early flight to Frankfurt, plus 2h ½ to reach the Hotel in the Dusseldorf area, where I got a comfortable double room, plus an impressive breakfast, for an average of 43€ per night, a deal I found with booking.de.
However, although I am an estimator of Germany there are usually two things I couldn’t stand and never get used in hotels here: the bed cover they offer you, either to heavy or too light, so that you either sweat or freeze during the night, much better the Latin system of covering in layers, so that you can adapt to temperature according to your needs, and the absence of a bidet, which forces you either to take a full shower or to acrobatic maneuvers with the shower nozzle just to wash your asshole! I think at least in these two things North Europeans people (and Americans as well) should learn from Latin countries :)
After having already discovered and enjoyed last year what FKK clubs can offer, this trip was mainly of explorative nature. Thus I included in my plan to visit some FKK’s that I already knew, like GT and LR, but also a new one like VV, a PauscalClub, a Partytreff, a perhaps more old style brothel like F39 and a swinger club like Beverly. I am a curious guy, thus before dying :), or simply getting too old, I wanted to know if I was missing something.
You will find my reports for this trip in the appropriate sections. So, let’s proceed in order:
1) PauchalClub Airport
2) Villa Vertigo [url=]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=772012&postcount=195 (]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=772009&postcount=2274[/url)
3) Goldentime
4) F39 [url=]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=772015&postcount=87 (]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=772014&postcount=670[/url)
5) PT Xanten
6) Beverly [url=]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=772022&postcount=63 (]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=772020&postcount=2275[/url)
7) Living Room
8) Oase [url=]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=772024&postcount=2761 (]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=772023&postcount=124[/url)
Maybe the early days of Autumn are the better time to return to the Fatherland?
Hey LBC,
I'm am sure that no offense is meant by you and I hope that you will take what I am about to say the right way.
I'm not German as you know, but I imagine that the few readers on this board who are will not mention what I am about to.
While I can appreciate your desire to soak up as much of the German culture as you can, you might go easy on the "Fatherland" references. No one here (Germany) uses that word to describe Germany other than a few nut-ball right-wingers in idiotic political parties like the NPD and the Republikaner.
Nationalism is NOT "in" here. Hell, flying the German flag only recently became acceptable and this was the result of the WM football games a few years back.
Again, I am sure that you do not mean anything by it, but you have used the term "Fatherland" quite often and I imagine that some of our good friends who are German and read this board wince every time they read it. It is a word that references a time and attitude that most people here shudder to think about.
Please forgive my bluntness, but it just seems rather insensitive in my view. Considering the to up-to-date and valuable contributions that our German friends here provide us, I personally would be for avoiding this word.
Cheers,
Dedalus
... the National Socialists, in other words.
I would avoid using terms such as Drang nach Osten or Lebensraum or referring to Berlin as the Reichshauptstadt.
I've kidded German friends about things like this and they typically don't find it funny at all.
Extreme nationalism has only resulted in bad things for Germany and they are quite sensitive to such issues.
The phenomena of having them openly fly German flags is very recent and is all related to the success of the Nationalelf or the German national football team.
Hessen Bub
08-02-08, 16:06
I would avoid using terms such as Drang nach Osten or Lebensraum or referring to Berlin as the Reichshauptstadt.
Nationalism is not very common for us Germans, obviously through our history. I as many other have not lived these times - and I am thankful for it, people call it "Gnade der späten Geburt" - and can't be held responsible. But we should never forget. Drive to Buchenwald or Auschwitz. It's worth it.
Lebensraum is a word abused by the Nazis. Also Reichshauptstadt. Berlin is Bundeshauptstadt, it is the Bundesrepublik Deutschland, not "Deutsches Reich". Nazi vocabulary and the times related are not things to make fun about. Same as some abreviations as SS, SA, NS, AH or related numbers used by Neonazis (18 for AH) or the Hells Angels (81 for HA).
HB
A topic which invariably came up in conversations with friends during my last visit to Germany was the price of gasoline. This would then lead to a discussion about how prices in general have risen at unprecedented rates.
This, of course, led me to ask myself: How have prices for services at FKK clubs evolved in the time I’ve been indulging in these services?
I found some old notes from my very first FKK trip in 1999 and thought I’d do a pricing comparison.
Back then pricing was in DMarks but the Euro was on the horizon and eventually became the payment currency in the January, 2002 time-frame.
The exchange rate for this conversion was 1.95583 DMarks to 1 Euro. For purposes of keeping things simple, let’s just say it was 2.00 DM to 1.00 Euro.
If you remember that far back, the conversion of the DMark to the Euro led to all sorts of jokes about the new “Teuro”. The Euro was perceived to be a smokescreen for everyone to raise prices across all businesses. That was the prevailing worry.
I compared the entry fee plus a single session for the following clubs: Inges/Arena, Babylon, Blue Note, PHG for the 1999 and 2008 time frame. I also compared the three session rate at the Grimbergsauna (a Red Carpet club) and the PT rate at Hilden Superparty (which later moved and became PT Mettmann) for the same time period. (Note: Entry fees first followed by the per session fee.)
Inges/Arena, before 50 (a special entry fee, she said when I entered this club – I believe it was normally 100 DMarks) + 70 = 120 DMarks, after 35 + 50 = 85 Euros
Babylon, before 70 + 150 = 220 DMarks, after 35 + 75 = 110 Euros
Blue Note, before 100 + 70 = 170 DMarks, after 55 + 30 = 85 Euros
PHG, before 100 + 100 = 200 DMarks, after 50 + 50 = 100 Euros
Grimbergsauna, before 230 DMarks for three sessions, after 30 + (30 times 3) = 120 Euros
Hilden/PT Mettmann, before 200 or 250 DMarks, after 100 or 120 Euros
I did not compare the pricing of extras or extended sessions to keep things simple.
PHG offered a BJ with and a BJ without option previously. I compared pricing for the BJ without.
I am trying to find my notes on Bernds from this time period but haven’t succeeded yet.
The FKK world at that time was lot simpler. Red Carpet clubs were where I cut my teeth. Oase had just opened. I don’t believe Atlantis was in the picture yet. GT and World were a twinkle in someone’s eyes.
The results of this comparison surprised me. This rough sampling points to almost no price inflation over the past nine years in Euro terms.
If you earn dollars though, there definitely has been inflation.
The average dollar to Euro exchange rate in 1999 was $0.94. It is around $1.57 these days which means in dollar terms rates have increased 67% or 5.9% per year on a compound annual rate for the past nine years.
This compound annual rate is derived from the following equation:
FV = PV X ((1 + i) ^n)
Where FV = Future value, PV = Present value, i = interest rate, n = number of compound periods.
So solving for i or the interest rate,
((FV/PV) ^ (1/n)) – 1 = i
In other words, take the nth root of the future value divided by the present value and deduct one from that quantity.
There have not been any differences in services provided during this time frame so I think this is an apples to apples comparison. As I’ve written before, the concept of post-coital time has totally disappeared. I would be curious to see if its returned to Babylon. The mix of women has changed at these clubs in favor of Romanians and Bulgarians.
As I’ve written before, the concept of post-coital time has totally disappeared. I would be curious to see if its returned to Babylon. The mix of women has changed at these clubs in favor of Romanians and Bulgarians.
What's the equation for solving the post-coital decrease?
((FV/PC) ^ (n/1)) +1 = i ? with PC being post coital and FV being fuck value ;-)
What's the equation for solving the post-coital decrease?
((FV/PC) ^ (n/1)) +1 = i ? with PC being post coital and FV being fuck value ;-)
I'm still trying to get by "the heat of the meat is directly proportional to the angle of the dangle". :)
Caesarr999
08-06-08, 22:39
I'm still trying to get by "the heat of the meat is directly proportional to the angle of the dangle". :)It is porportional only if you multiply by the mass of the ass and then divide by the penis envy constant.
CBGBConnisur
08-07-08, 15:53
FKKs are still good value compared to mongering in North America. A good escort that would be equal to a less attractive FKK girl in the US will cost 300 to 400 dollars a session, even with a devalued greenback, you can still get some excellent sex at an FKK.
It is porportional only if you multiply by the mass of the ass and then divide by the penis envy constant.
There you go!
The heat of the meat and angle of the dangle relationship is interesting because it would require a function which converts degrees of temperature into directional degrees.
Add to this the mass of ass and the penis envy constant and you have some whopping equation!
FKKs are still good value compared to mongering in North America. A good escort that would be equal to a less attractive FKK girl in the US will cost 300 to 400 dollars a session, even with a devalued greenback, you can still get some excellent sex at an FKK.
Canada used to be the place...85 usd for an hour. Now its closer to 180 usd for an hour. And you'd be lucky if you actually luck out and book the girls on the top of your list.
CBGBConnisur
08-08-08, 16:49
I remember the first time I entered an FKK in 2001 I could not believe how ridiculously cheap it was, in Babylon I had sex with five beautiful women for less money than I spent in the US for escorts who were mediocre in service. Although it has become more expensive, I still think its a good value.
In Canada the only decent action is in Montreal, that city has an amazing variety of providers.
Hello!
I see references in the reports to 'PSE' experience as compared to 'GFE' attitude with some nice ladies from time to time. Would you guys explain to a newbie what the real difference is and what Porn Star Experience session usually gives to a guy? No explanation found in the forums. Looks like smth better to have from the babe I choose for a session. :) PM me if feel more appropriate.
Thanks,
Turisto
Wander Lust
08-12-08, 05:56
I'm still trying to get by "the heat of the meat is directly proportional to the angle of the dangle". :)This would be "The angle of dangle is proportional to the heat of the moment".
WL
Got the answers in other threads.
Thanks for sharing.
Hello!
I see references in the reports to 'PSE' experience as compared to 'GFE' attitude with some nice ladies from time to time. Would you guys explain to a newbie what the real difference is and what Porn Star Experience session usually gives to a guy? No explanation found in the forums. Looks like smth better to have from the babe I choose for a session. :) PM me if feel more appropriate.
Thanks,
Turisto
... are, like beauty. They are in the eye of the beholder.
The whole thing boils down to how much of a connection you have to the chick you are with.
Some guys are perfectly fine with how she looks, etc.. Others make a list of abbreviations as in: DFK, DATY, etc... I think it comes down to whether you have a connection with her or not.
If you like her and she likes being with you, it will feel right. She will bend the rules in your favor: a forty or forty-five minute session is within the accepted range for a standard thirty minute session. After you come she doesn't become all business-like and start making the bed. She will just to lie there and indulge in some pillow talk (you are, after all, such pleasant company so why not?). The bed can be made later. No hurry.
I don't connect with all of the women I am with. The ones I do connect with have a lot in common: they have a sense of humor, they are communicative and articulate and smarter than the average. They also have to speak fluent or near fluent German. I am working on my Polish but can't put two words together in Russian, Romanian or Bulgarian.
Months down the road when I revisit the club, she will see me and greet with me with a huge smile because she genuinely had a good time the last time. Making a favorable impression like this is, to me, an achievement.
There is nothing more unsexy than a dumb chick who doesn't know how to make conversation, doesn't laugh or smile and who can't make complete sentences. She may look like a "10" and it still won't change anything.
Germans have a word for it. Its her Ausstrahlung or her aura, which matters.
So what does it come down to? You need to be well groomed, etc... but also need to know how to turn on the charm. They are women after all.
If you are socially challenged, this is going to be a difficult.
Has the recent Razzia at the Globe in Zuerich sent any of those women across the border into Deutschland?
A simple test.
If you don't know which was which during the session, you certainly will 15 minutes after, upon quiet reflection on the couch.
... are, like beauty. They are in the eye of the beholder.
The whole thing boils down to how much of a connection you have to the chick you are with.
Some guys are perfectly fine with how she looks, etc.. Others make a list of abbreviations as in: DFK, DATY, etc... I think it comes down to whether you have a connection with her or not.
If you like her and she likes being with you, it will feel right. She will bend the rules in your favor: a forty or forty-five minute session is within the accepted range for a standard thirty minute session. After you come she doesn't become all business-like and start making the bed. She will just to lie there and indulge in some pillow talk (you are, after all, such pleasant company so why not?). The bed can be made later. No hurry.
I don't connect with all of the women I am with. The ones I do connect with have a lot in common: they have a sense of humor, they are communicative and articulate and smarter than the average. They also have to speak fluent or near fluent German. I am working on my Polish but can't put two words together in Russian, Romanian or Bulgarian.
Months down the road when I revisit the club, she will see me and greet with me with a huge smile because she genuinely had a good time the last time. Making a favorable impression like this is, to me, an achievement.
There is nothing more unsexy than a dumb chick who doesn't know how to make conversation, doesn't laugh or smile and who can't make complete sentences. She may look like a "10" and it still won't change anything.
Germans have a word for it. Its her Ausstrahlung or her aura, which matters.
So what does it come down to? You need to be well groomed, etc... but also need to know how to turn on the charm. They are women after all.
If you are socially challenged, this is going to be a difficult.
Angus Magee
08-12-08, 13:52
... are, like beauty. They are in the eye of the beholder.
The whole thing boils down to how much of a connection you have to the chick you are with.
Some guys are perfectly fine with how she looks, etc.. Others make a list of abbreviations as in: DFK, DATY, etc... I think it comes down to whether you have a connection with her or not.
If you like her and she likes being with you, it will feel right. She will bend the rules in your favor: a forty or forty-five minute session is within the accepted range for a standard thirty minute session. After you come she doesn't become all business-like and start making the bed. She will just to lie there and indulge in some pillow talk (you are, after all, such pleasant company so why not?). The bed can be made later. No hurry.
I don't connect with all of the women I am with. The ones I do connect with have a lot in common: they have a sense of humor, they are communicative and articulate and smarter than the average. They also have to speak fluent or near fluent German. I am working on my Polish but can't put two words together in Russian, Romanian or Bulgarian.
Months down the road when I revisit the club, she will see me and greet with me with a huge smile because she genuinely had a good time the last time. Making a favorable impression like this is, to me, an achievement.
There is nothing more unsexy than a dumb chick who doesn't know how to make conversation, doesn't laugh or smile and who can't make complete sentences. She may look like a "10" and it still won't change anything.
Germans have a word for it. Its her Ausstrahlung or her aura, which matters.
So what does it come down to? You need to be well groomed, etc... but also need to know how to turn on the charm. They are women after all.
If you are socially challenged, this is going to be a difficult.
I find this to be very well said. I have had some very GFE sessions that were not full of DATY,DFK, etc. If there is some kind of nice connection with the girl I consider it a GFE. It is not about scoring points but how well you relate to the girl and how she relates to you.
I also personally find a woman who opens (both physically and mentally) to me because of how I am with her way sexier than a woman who is "open" as soon as I pay her the money. That is, sometime I meet a working girl who is not that open and sort of restrictive but as we relate in a session she opens just a bit and this is a huge turn on to me.
A simple test.
If you don't know which was which during the session, you certainly will 15 minutes after, upon quiet reflection on the couch.
You just need to sit back, close your eyes and imagine the session all over again.
It will come to you via quiet reflection.
I find this to be very well said. I have had some very GFE sessions that were not full of DATY,DFK, etc. If there is some kind of nice connection with the girl I consider it a GFE. It is not about scoring points but how well you relate to the girl and how she relates to you.
I also personally find a woman who opens (both physically and mentally) to me because of how I am with her way sexier than a woman who is "open" as soon as I pay her the money. That is, sometime I meet a working girl who is not that open and sort of restrictive but as we relate in a session she opens just a bit and this is a huge turn on to me.
You are like me, then, Angus.
I never remember my best sessions in terms of whether she went through an abbreviation checklist. I do remember if there was a connection.
The most erotic session I ever had was with a redheaded chick from the Ruhr at Bernds, Janina, probably five years ago. Medium height, medium build.
There was a time when the dining room at Bernds had a partition separating a doorless bedroom and had a couch just outside it. You could see into the bedroom because it had all sorts of mirrors. I approached her in the main room and we retired to that couch.
Her foreplay was unbelievable. It was the way she kissed, the way she held me. She was funny and communicative. She hovered above me and I was convinced she was going to bareback me (which she didn't) but the sense of anticipation (and danger) she created was out of this world.
There was actually minimal contact in the traditional sense of what sex is. There was no BJ (or maybe there was a BJ involved but I can't remember it) or HJ involved. There wasn't, for that matter, any penetration involved. There was lots of physical contact but it was very light, non-aggressive. When I came it was like coming during a wet dream. It was a total release.
Sex with her wasn't about the physical interaction we had. A lot of it was that she knew how to turn on switches in my brain.
Since then this has been my concept of what an ideal session is. Women who are really good at foreplay like she was are not easy to find.
I had one more session with her. Next time I returned to Bernds she was gone.
I'll admit it, I've visited all the clubs and just never bothered to ask anyone what that hot sweat box was in the corner. Tried it out though and have to say im hooked on doing the sauna and then the girls...or vice versa. Have to admit though, I really don't know what im doing except going in and getting the sweat drained out of me...
Maybe someone can provide some simple instructions for the use of the sauna here? Might be a good thing to include in the Questions section as well.
Hessen Bub
08-13-08, 17:57
Maybe someone can provide some simple instructions for the use of the sauna here? Might be a good thing to include in the Questions section as well.
Sauna - just a great way to relax you body, your muscles, your mind, to strengthen your health - wunderbar!
Maybe this helps:
http://www.visitfinland.com/w5/trade/index.nsf/(Pages)/Sauna?opendocument&np=A
HB
The bottom part of this posting on Wikipedia discusses the procedure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauna
If you have noticed there usually are wordless pictograms outside almost every sauna which describe what to do. Saunieren, then cold shower, a rest period, then repeat as necessary.
There is also the German tradition of the Aufguss which involves a ceremony where the Saunameister swings his towel around to move the air around and then pours scented water on the hot sauna stones. Very stimulating.
At the end of a good Aufguss session, Beifall wird geklatscht.
The last time I was at Finca there was this dude who was obviously oversaunaed. He couldn't stand up in the sauna and claimed the room was spinning around. His friend helped him out quickly and after a cold shower he was fine. As the posting says, they can be dangerous.
Warsteiner
08-13-08, 19:24
The last time I was at Finca there was this dude who was obviously oversaunaed. He couldn't stand up in the sauna and claimed the room was spinning around. His friend helped him out quickly and after a cold shower he was fine. As the posting says, they can be dangerous.
Yep, being 'oversaunaed' is not very advisable. It happened to me in a non-FKK club a few years ago during an aufguss - tunnel vision that was rapidly narrowing and I only just managed to get out of the sauna before I passed out.
One thing about the sauna is that it can make you last longer in the room. If I go to the sauna before having sex I always struggle to cum. I mentioned this to a girl who used to work in Samya and she said this was well know by the girls and, according to her, saunas also make your willy smaller! If she met a man that was a bit large for her she would go into the sauna with him first and then after a few minutes messing around in the heat they would go to the room and she wouldn't have a problem with his size. The things you learn in a club :)
Angus Magee
08-13-08, 20:27
The last time I was at Finca there was this dude who was obviously oversaunaed. He couldn't stand up in the sauna and claimed the room was spinning around. His friend helped him out quickly and after a cold shower he was fine. As the posting says, they can be dangerous.
I would be especially cautious with the sauna were I using recreational performance enhancing drugs i.e. Viagra or the like.
2 tips just by the way for those with someone to go home to:
1. Make sure you always have at least one shot left in the locker for her. It will diffuse suspicions like nothing else.
2. Go to the sauna just before you leave, and shower well without soap afterwards. Great for getting rid of perfume, oil, cream and other tell-tale smells.
Not noticed how often the locals do that?
I would be especially cautious with the sauna were I using recreational performance enhancing drugs i.e. Viagra or the like.Viagra, Sauna and lots of Red Bull to stay awake. Add extensive sex with young horny girls on top of that cocktail. No wonder people are dying in those places.
I can't wait to be back.
I'll admit it, I've visited all the clubs and just never bothered to ask anyone what that hot sweat box was in the corner. Tried it out though and have to say im hooked on doing the sauna and then the girls...or vice versa. Have to admit though, I really don't know what im doing except going in and getting the sweat drained out of me...
Maybe someone can provide some simple instructions for the use of the sauna here? Might be a good thing to include in the Questions section as well.Here are some thoughts about the use of sauna that I once were taught.
Firstly put your sandals outside the sauna and don't bring them into the sauna.
In the sauna the best and most relaxing way is to lay down on one of the benches.
Put two towels on the bench so it covers all of your body and make sure no sweat drops on the benches. If you prefer to sit on the bench instead make sure your arms and body are in a relaxing position and also that you have a towel for your feet. Remember, no sweat on the benches.
In public saunas the use of towels to make sure NO body parts touch the benches is strictly followed and the Saunameister himself will control and make sure all guests follow this rule.
In most FKK clubs nobody really cares but if you want to show good sauna ethics make sure you cover the benches with towel(s).
Also it's a good sauna ethic to greet the other people then entering the sauna. A short "hello" is enough. The people in the sauna will usually reply "hello" or whatever. Again this practice is not very common in the FKK clubs we talk about here.
After the sauna take a cold shower and a glass of water or two. Drink water and not beer for this purpose. If you drink alcohol you need to drink even more water. It's good to make sure you drink enough water even 6-8 hours before extensive sauna use.
Rest outside the sauna for at least the same time as you spent in the sauna before you re-enter.
For hygienic reasons it's important to always shower before jumping into the pool or whirlpool. Most locals who are used to good sauna practice will find it disgusting to see people running directly from the sauna to the pool without having a shower in between.
Also the sauna is a place to relax and not a place for loud discussions. If you want to talk to your friends please do so but try to avoid being too loud.
If you are new to using the sauna I recommend a maximum of 5-10 minutes in the sauna to start with. Use one of the hourglasses in the sauna to keep track of the time.
Remember the top bench is hottest. If you think it's too hot there then move down. If the lowest bench is too hot also, well get out of the sauna and try again later. To be on the safe side: If it doesn't feel good it's probably not good either.
One thing about the sauna is that it can make you last longer in the room. If I go to the sauna before having sex I always struggle to cum. I mentioned this to a girl who used to work in Samya and she said this was well know by the girls and, according to her, saunas also make your willy smaller! If she met a man that was a bit large for her she would go into the sauna with him first and then after a few minutes messing around in the heat they would go to the room and she wouldn't have a problem with his size. The things you learn in a club :)
Ha! This one I'd never heard before!
I often wonder why it is the women don't sauna at the clubs. Once in a while I'll see one run in for a bit but typically she'll spend a few minutes and then run out again. If its healthy and good for the male guests, it must be good for the women too.
Oh, yes. Don't go into the sauna with your glasses.
I've had problems with plastic frames warping because the heat.
They typically have glasses holders or little shelves just outside them for you to place them.
As to actually having sex in a sauna, this I've not done yet. I've been in one with a chick or two and fooled around but just not had sex. She usually found it too hot and we left after some foreplay.
I try to get into yoga poses when I'm in them.
As most folks in northern Germany do, a simple Moin is enough to greet any newcomers as they come in.
Hessen Bub
08-14-08, 07:43
saunas also make your willy smaller!
Yes, sure, mine has almost gone after countless sauna sessions. ;-)
HB
Basketcase
08-14-08, 07:45
Ha! This one I'd never heard before!
I often wonder why it is the women don't sauna at the clubs. Once in a while I'll see one run in for a bit but typically she'll spend a few minutes and then run out again. If its healthy and good for the male guests, it must be good for the women too.
Jackyo,
I think girls using the sauna for a a minute or a couple of minutes is actually a quick way for them to dry up thoroughly after douching. A girl wandering around still with beads of water un-dried off from her body can be arguable is not a complete look.
Then again it may be that girls are going to get horny from being heated up in the sauna as Warsteiner says.
Cheers,
Londonbasketcase
As to actually having sex in a sauna, this I've not done yet. I've been in one with a chick or two and fooled around but just not had sex. She usually found it too hot and we left after some foreplay.
I've had a couple of sessions over the years in the Oase sauna which has one of the best saunas in FKK land, and most recently enjoyed a multi-session sauna adventure with Sylvia and others at Mettmann. We were dripping...and it was unforgettable.
Yes, sure, mine has almost gone after countless sauna sessions. ;-)
HBIn your case, Bub, we'll leave the word "sauna" out of that sentence... LOL
Not done it in the FKK sauna, but in a Russian banya (at the bottom of the dacha garden), which is very similar, unless someone's trying to whip you with birch twigs at the same time.... Three things stick in the mind: it was exhausting and had to be quick; heart pounds; and it's not too pleasant if the shithouse is next door.
In your case, Bub, we'll leave the word "sauna" out of that sentence... LOL
Not done it in the FKK sauna, but in a Russian banya (at the bottom of the dacha garden), which is very similar, unless someone's trying to whip you with birch twigs at the same time.... Three things stick in the mind: it was exhausting and had to be quick; heart pounds; and it's not too pleasant if the shithouse is next door.
I remember doing this a few times back in the earlier Oase days. $Alina, Anita, Ilka and Melanie took me down that road. Had fun each time but I have not relived those fond memories in a while but those were the days!
No one tried to whip me with a birch twig. I guess that costs extra ;-)))
May try that again when the weather starts to get cooler.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Iseeu hit the 1,000 posting mark!
This is like watching the odometer in the car roll over. Its not an opportunity to be missed!
Congratulations, dude! Looking forward to your next 1,000 posts.
Congrats, Iseeu and thanks for the many insightful posts. More than a few have aided me in my Club wanderings.
I hadn't noticed until I read your posts that I'd hit that magic number. Hard to believe that I've clicked on the "Add Report" button so many times, or that I've actually had that much to say on this topic. Thanks for calling me out,,,
Although I discovered and played the German sex scene and FKK's before discovering WSG/ISG, this board has been very helpful to me these last 6 years, and it's great to be part of a community of like minded souls, for the sharing of info, and reassuring of the conscious.
I have a pretty full life outside this board, and mostly only monger on trips abroad. A while back, as a time-saving measure, I decided to only post if I had something new to add, had seen some change, had something profound to say or a keen insight to offer this august assemblage. I've resisted the urge to post after every club visit or P4P situation, just to say "I was there" or "I f*cked x, and then y and then z", because those posts don't really help anybody and end up polluting the forum with sterile reports. I've also tried to avoid the "Yes, I agree.", or "me too" postings (the operative word here is "tried to") and to keep my posts relevant, informative, and pleasurable to read.
I've also tried to keep a level mind about all of this, and not take it too seriously. It's just a hobby, and after all is said and done, this isn't nuclear science or global warming that we're dealing with here- it's just figuratively and literally getting our rocks off.
I wish that I could find more time for the "research" side of this hobby and reach the level of expertise and knowledge of Jackyo, WK, Dedalus and others, but it is what it is. It's very gratifying to get a PM or meet someone at a club, who has read this forum, and to hear from him that my posts were helpful or instrumental in getting him to try an FKK club, or the P4P scene, or the swinger scene. That and the community of people that I've met through the board and friends that I've made here are really the only justifications for staying up way past all my other commitments are completed, perusing the forum and posting.
And since life is dynamic and we have only limited experience sets, it's important to be open to new untested worlds and learn from the experiences of others. To quote from Sun Tzu's, The Art of War: "Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." I've certainly found and enjoyed an "infinite variety of circumstances" and this website has had a big role in helping me to discover some of the infinite variety of mongering experiences throughout Europe, Asia and Africa. Just giving back...
Njoy and keep mongering...
Warsteiner
08-14-08, 19:42
Ha! This one I'd never heard before!
I often wonder why it is the women don't sauna at the clubs. Once in a while I'll see one run in for a bit but typically she'll spend a few minutes and then run out again. If its healthy and good for the male guests, it must be good for the women too.
Yep, although it can 'dry them out'. This same girl mentioned that she used saunas a lot and now always has to use lube during sex as she never gets wet.
Hey, I’m flattered to read all the nice comments about my “FKK Virgin Tour” reports. Maybe I’m a slight ringer because I’ve written many escort reports in the US, but it is also true I started “hobbying” less than two years ago. Really, though, if any part of the writing was inspired, it is because this simply was the most astounding week I’ve ever had. I also met a new good friend with whom I hope I can coordinate a trip again soon. Reading this site opened up the world of FKK’s for me, and I wanted to share in return.
I was worried people might get irritated by all those asides on my legitimate sightseeing, so I’m glad a number of you found that interesting. As someone who has been kind of a germanophile for many years (ever since I studied for a year in beautiful Freiburg), it just seemed someone is missing a lot if he doesn’t experience some of the local culture and history, a perfect change of pace from the sexual adventuring. To me, that was an added element of excitement, that I could combine these two hobbies. Now I see that many of our main posters share those interests. And I guess if you’re not interested, you can just skip to the descriptions of the clubs and the girls.
Limburg turned out to be a good choice for the week’s home base. Every club I visited was within an hour’s drive, and there are more I didn’t get to. It’s a small town, which I always find more relaxing and fun than a big city like Frankfurt, and like a lot of small towns in Germany, it’s been there for a thousand years or more, so in all that time usually something of interest has happened or been built. Part II describes a little about the cathedral and museum there.
Iseeu has ruined the excuse I had for writing this, because he already has linked all the reports together as I was going to do. I’ve copied his work here:
Part I Finca: http://www.internationalsexguide.in...34&postcount=67
Part II Bernd's:http://www.internationalsexguide.in...5&postcount=970
Part III World: http://www.internationalsexguide.in...&postcount=2392
Part IV Bernd's again: http://www.internationalsexguide.in...9&postcount=973
Part V Oase:http://www.internationalsexguide.in...&postcount=2895
However, his much-too-kind words have made me feel it’s OK to add some final thoughts anyway. Nothing you guys don’t already know, but just the things I found especially amazing.
A great bargain: Even with the dollar at rock bottom, there are still two great bargains in Germany. One is top-quality wine purchased from the winemaker, touched on in one of the reports (Part IV I think). The other is SEX. This is from the US perspective, where an escort costs $150 an hour and up. Actually, the kind of gorgeous women I saw would be $300 an hour and up, depending where in the US you are. But in an FKK the basic half hour costs just 50 Euros (which was about $80 at the beginning of my trip and about $70 by the end! ). And that’s plenty of time, because you’re already naked and have done whatever flirting you want and in many cases gotten a good deal of foreplay in before you go off to the room. If you want extras or more time, that’s just as economical on an a la carte basis.
People go to Costa Rico or Colombia or Thailand to get sex even cheaper, but really, this is cheap, especially in a first-world country with all of its security and conveniences.
Consistency: I find it really interesting that all the FKK girls, from the old and tired to the sex-goddess-made-flesh, cost the same 50 Euros. And that it was 50 Euros in every place. Doesn’t make sense to me, but I guess there are places like Lug-ins-Land which I didn’t get to where the entry is 50 Euros and the girls seem to be 30 Euros a half hour. I also find it interesting that escorts (Hobbyhuren) seem to cost about what they do in the US, at least I saw ads for 200 Euros/hour and up. In the face of that competition?
For overall cost, a flight from the US to Germany is expensive, particularly in the summer when I went, so from that point of view it’s not cheap. If you think like me, that I would have (and in fact have) paid for a flight there just to enjoy a great vacation in such a historic and interesting country, then it’s cheap again. I took $2, 000 cash "fuck money" with me, and came back with $1, 100 in hand. For the cost of three escort sessions here for me (I usually take at least an hour and a half) I had 9 great out of 10 total sessions with 10 different beautiful women. Now that doesn’t include the club costs. You can account for that however you want, but for me, every day I went to a club I had no food costs. There is always a big breakfast at German hotels, with sausage and cold cuts and cheese and soft boiled eggs and so on. That fueled me for a day of touring, and then I had an afternoon snack and dinner at the clubs. Getting free food, drinks and sometimes beer, not to mention a free room for activities and saunas and all that, with naked girls walking all around you, is one hell of a bargain compared to a US strip club just in those terms.
Relaxation: Everything that’s wrong about the hobby in the US is right in a German FKK. No secret Emailing to set up clandestine meetings. No worries about who’s standing in the hall of the hotel. No arranging something for the two-hour window you have next Wednesday and then finding you just don’t feel so excited that day, or that you’d like to relax for an hour before you take your enjoyment. Nobody asking for references or even asking your name. That was the most refreshing part for me, everything which puts me off or makes me nervous (and therefore sometimes hinders my performance) is blessedly absent.
The theme park: What a great gimmick this sauna club is! Water is always a relaxing element. Massages fit right in with that. From the first time, I felt completely natural and not awkward at all walking around with just a towel wrapped around my waist. It makes the nakedness of all the girls seem natural, too, and in truth I would not have thought twice about walking around completely naked myself, if that were the style in the club. None of the guys care what you look like, that’s for sure, and I’m not sure the women do, either. And all of this just reinforces the cleanliness aspect. Showers are mandatory, the women expect you to be squeaky clean. All the risks for hobbying in the US are just about completely solved in this environment (illegality, danger, ripoff), except for health risks, and the whole theme of these clubs, at least the upscale ones I visited, made me feel the health risk is as low as one could ever expect. What a deliciously deviant evolution of the traditional nudist movement.
Variety: On this trip I had sex with my first Thai girl ever, my first dark-skinned Brazilian goddess, my first Colombian woman, my first Bulgarian and Croatian beauties, fell in love with my first Polish maiden, and took my pleasure with erotic girls who were half and half German and Thai, or German and French. There were Italian and Greek and Hungarian and Czech girls all over who I never got to, and I could easily have found Philippinos and Malaysians and Africans. The entire world of sexual enticement, all within an hour’s drive of little Limburg an der Lahn.
Did I mention good ol' German Fraeuleine, too? There were some of those.
The High: All of the above combined to give me the most incredible sexual high I’ve ever been on. I don’t feel like I’m bragging when I report this, because so many posters have reported going WAY beyond what I did, but having sex with 10 women in six nights (albeit finishing "only" 7 times) is a level of activity I’ve never had before. And The Aftermath! Since I’ve been home, when I should by all rights be completely worn out, I’ve had sex every night except the first (four more times to date). That has NEVER happened with me.
Disadvantages? : There must be some, I just cannot think of any. I suppose, at root, an FKK is a brothel, so it’s pretty anonymous and meaningless sex. Somehow that doesn’t strike me as a disadvantage at the moment, but I guess the lack of the companionship element is why they have escorts in Germany, too. I suppose the women don’t really think you’re the greatest lover ever, and they might be thinking about the next Gucci handbag then can get when they’re fucking you, but 9 of the 10 women I was with made me feel like I was the King of Things.
My friend and I truly felt like Caesars on that last night in the Oase. After my Polish fantasy girl at World, all the others were so beautiful I felt I wanted to fuck every one of them, just not that night. So, for those of you who have asked or have commented, yes, I will be back. As soon I can find the excuse for another trip.
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I thought the whole raison d'être of FKK was clear pricing and virtually no negotiation. Okay, some of this is about "extras", but again I thought they were well-defined. But some of it seems to be about simply paying more for a certain girl. Or is it all about extras?
One shouldn't have to negotiate. And at reputable clubs one never has to.
At some clubs the girls push extras to increase their service charges beyond the entry level price points and they go into an upsell mode.
What to do in this case? Avoid those clubs.
The most common billing disputes revolve around which services were performed and/or what time was actually spent together.
The general rule on couch activity is that you have committed yourself once she has made oral contact with your member. Is this a hard and fast rule? More or less.
I've also had women argue to me that the clock starts ticking once we sit together at a couch and that foreplay even if it just consists of light contact and occasional kissing sets off the stopwatch.
And as I've written before, if you have found yourself a true hooker with a heart of gold and you and she get along well, she will bend the rules and won't be so much of a stickler for time nor for what is considered an extra or not.
I don't make out with girlfriends in real life with a clock ticking in the background counting out thirty minute segments. This is was a GFE is about as opposed to the equations which guys put together with abbreviations.
As someone who has been kind of a germanophile for many years (ever since I studied for a year in beautiful Freiburg), it just seemed someone is missing a lot if he doesn’t experience some of the local culture and history, a perfect change of pace from the sexual adventuring. To me, that was an added element of excitement, that I could combine these two hobbies. Now I see that many of our main posters share those interests. And I guess if you’re not interested, you can just skip to the descriptions of the clubs and the girls.
... if you have an academic interest in German.
I've been going since forever for social, linguistic and cultural reasons but had never ever indulged in the German P4P scene until I started reading about these clubs a decade ago.
So I said, why not drop by and see what this is all about?
In my case it was like opening a door onto a world which I had no idea existed at all.
So I know what you are going through. I warn you though, its a slippery slope. FKK clubs are addictive and like any true addiction, you need to keep raising the dosage beyond the previous level it was at otherwise its not as effective.
I suppose, at root, an FKK is a brothel, so it’s pretty anonymous and meaningless sex.
Routard once complained in a posting here about how some of the women look too much like hookers and when its over there is an empty feeling which takes you over.
Yes, it can be anonymous and meaningless sex but it needn't be.
It is the prospect of finding a chick who delivers a true GFE is what has me returning year after year.
As I've written before a GFE is a chick who I'd really like to have as a girlfriend in real life. I don't go out with inarticulate women who don't have a sense of humor and aren't very smart. Nothing turns me off more than a dumb chick who may look good but is a dud personality-wise and has nothing to say.
So I hold FKK club women to the same standard and guess what, they do exist. They are hard to find but they do exist.
Sex with a chick like this isn't so meaningless and the better I get to know them (and they get to know me), it becomes less anonymous too.
My current approach to this is to pick only a few girls and clubs to "invest" time and money in. Running around from club to club to meet up with random, gypsy (and I mean this in the true sense of the word: some of these women are really Gypsies) providers only results in having mostly anonymous and meaningless sex.
Yes, I am quite aware that it is an illusion. No worries about my blurring that line between reality and the illusion each "provider-artist" creates. (The women don't take on Kunstlernamen for nothing.)
For overall cost, a flight from the US to Germany is expensive, particularly in the summer when I went, so from that point of view it’s not cheap. If you think like me, that I would have (and in fact have) paid for a flight there just to enjoy a great vacation in such a historic and interesting country, then it’s cheap again. I took $2, 000 cash "fuck money" with me, and came back with $1, 100 in hand. For the cost of three escort sessions here for me (I usually take at least an hour and a half) I had 9 great out of 10 total sessions with 10 different beautiful women.]
If you start making plans for flights in the off peak season, you'll find the fare's much cheaper...and the women are still willing to take your money for 50 euro's. This will build up your airmiles, 50k is a free trip in the summer...5 visits at 450 for airfare and the next 2,000 dollar flight is free. Sign up for the delta, continental or american airlines credit card and start getting those bonus miles while they are still offering them. I find it amazing that the euro dropped so quickly in such a short time....80 to 74 in such a short time.
And though your trip is done, keep active these next couple of months...things will come to mind that you forgot....or someone will ask a question that you'll know the answer to...and then...your really hooked.
where have you written on the U.S. scene? and under the same handle? Im on the montreal board often....merb dot ca
Limburg, is that city east of Munich? If that's the city you stayed in, hitting Bernds, Oase and World must have cost you a pretty penny in gas. There are tons of hotels in small cities between these 3 clubs that are cheap and offer the small town feeling.
Jackyo,
When I first started to look at ISG and read many of your comments, I knew we had some common perspectives, but you keep surprising me with more. We really need to meet some time. I'll have to keep track of your trips.
I warn you though, its a slippery slope. FKK clubs are addictive and like any true addiction, you need to keep raising the dosage beyond the previous level it was at otherwise its not as effective.
Routard once complained in a posting here about how some of the women look too much like hookers and when its over there is an empty feeling which takes you over.
Yes, it can be anonymous and meaningless sex but it needn't be.
It is the prospect of finding a chick who delivers a true GFE is what has me returning year after year.
As I've written before a GFE is a chick who I'd really like to have as a girlfriend in real life. I don't go out with inarticulate women who don't have a sense of humor and aren't very smart. Nothing turns me off more than a dumb chick who may look good but is a dud personality-wise and has nothing to say.
So I hold FKK club women to the same standard and guess what, they do exist. They are hard to find but they do exist.
Sex with a chick like this isn't so meaningless and the better I get to know them (and they get to know me), it becomes less anonymous too.
My current approach to this is to pick only a few girls and clubs to "invest" time and money in. Running around from club to club to meet up with random, gypsy (and I mean this in the true sense of the word: some of these women are really Gypsies) providers only results in having mostly anonymous and meaningless sex.
Yes, I am quite aware that it is an illusion. No worries about my blurring that line between reality and the illusion each "provider-artist" creates. (The women don't take on Kunstlernamen for nothing.)I've always thought of life as a progression, and it's true you need to build on what you do or it can get boring, but as drugs go I've found this hobby pretty positive. Regular vigorous (because it's interesting) sex has been a healthy addition to my usual Nordic Track/exercise pattern, for example. I just hope, like everyone else, that it's not undermined by some disease.
That's another reason I stuck to FKKs this time, I have to turn up that dose bit by bit. You provide another part of the answer yourself, though, talking about finding the GFE experience within the club scene. It is an illusion, but the grand illusion which can keep things fresh for a long time. And you've also mentioned that you alternate that with completely anonymous and meaningless sex in the PT scene.
The ladies you and I like are the ones intelligent and skilled enough to realize what they're doing and provide that illusion. Totally unlike this FKK tour, those are the ladies I cultivate at home.
But on THIS tour I had nothing against anonymous and meaningless sex. It was such a rush to be overwhelmed by it. I read somewhere that if you miss a chapter in your development you spend the rest of your life trying to fulfill it. Well, I don't think life is as simple as pop psychology, but it is certainly true that when I was 18 I was not having sex with all those 18-year old girls driving me crazy.
Even with the hobby back home, it is hard to meet 20-year old girls. They tend to be immature, unreliable and have no business skills. And that process of sounding them out usually reveals that they aren't very interesting, and/or we have very little in common.
On this tour, though, there they all were, with their perfect little bodies looking very young to me. I got a big dose of that this time. I saw a lot of older, fuller, more sympathetic women and they started to look more interesting the longer I was there. So I got a lot of that teen fixation out of my system.
Maybe not completely, though. I will have to do another experiment, I believe.
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You are right, Breadman, I'm going to have to pay close attention to the airfare game now. In the past I've only had time for the occasional trip and it only made sense to do it in the summer so I could maximize the vacation time. But I don't think I could do three weeks of this, so now I'll want to add in some shorter trips more frequently.
I did try to describe exactly where Limburg is. It is between Frankfurt and Koblenz, just off the A3, so not near Munich at all. I did put in my reports that every club I visited, from Bernd's and Finca to the northwest and Oase and World to the southeast, was within an hour of Limburg.
I usually have Koblenz as my base, and guess JohnnyZ has used this Limburg http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=sv&geocode=&q=limburg,+germany&ie=UTF8&ll=50.389259,8.123016&spn=0.760863,2.092896&z=10
that is really just a stone's throw from Koblenz. There are many nice things to look at in the area, not only walking around on two legs, and it's convenient to drive in any direction.
Limburg, is that city east of Munich? If that's the city you stayed in, hitting Bernds, Oase and World must have cost you a pretty penny in gas. There are tons of hotels in small cities between these 3 clubs that are cheap and offer the small town feeling.
Nope, that Limburg would be a different Limburg than the one Johnny Z stayed at. His is off the A3 between FRA and CGN (convenient to Finca).
But on THIS tour I had nothing against anonymous and meaningless sex. It was such a rush to be overwhelmed by it. I read somewhere that if you miss a chapter in your development you spend the rest of your life trying to fulfill it. Well, I don't think life is as simple as pop psychology, but it is certainly true that when I was 18 I was not having sex with all those 18-year old girls driving me crazy.
Even with the hobby back home, it is hard to meet 20-year old girls. They tend to be immature, unreliable and have no business skills. And that process of sounding them out usually reveals that they aren't very interesting, and/or we have very little in common.
On this tour, though, there they all were, with their perfect little bodies looking very young to me. I got a big dose of that this time. I saw a lot of older, fuller, more sympathetic women and they started to look more interesting the longer I was there. So I got a lot of that teen fixation out of my system.
We should get together sometime.
I hadn't planned on another trip this year but on the job front there is a possibility that my calendar might yield a free week sometime between now and the end of the year. If not, I will definitely have my customary winter inspection.
Funny you mention this thing about missing a chapter in your development. Its very true in my case. I certainly wasn't sleeping with enough hot 18 year olds when I was 18.
I've gotten over this teen fixation by visiting clubs and meeting 18 year olds who don't know how to please a man and don't have enough life experiences to hold up their end of a conversation.
There was an 18 year old German-Aussie chick, Bianca, who used to work at Bernds until about a year or so ago. Our conversations were about Sponge Bob Square Pants, a metallic rock band from Berlin she follows and about how her boyfriend hates his job at McDonalds. Sex on a physical level was okay.
I wonder where she is these days.
The other extreme to this is Sabine from Blue Note. If you ever get out there, she is a treat. She is definitely a woman, not a girl. Nice curves, nice smile and just that right combination of intelligence and sensuality. Definitely not hardened and very much involved and participatory. Most importantly, she shares my sense of humor.
Sigh. I wish all women were like her.
Instead in real life I end up with crazy, neurotic types who are either narcissistic and high maintenance or so concerned with being left behind in what the Germans call Torschlusspanik when they get to their late thirties and early forties, they can only be described as man crazy.
The communication aspect of this is important to me. I have very little interest in women I can't understand. And as I've written before, if she doesn't smile at me and when I test for chemistry I can't make her laugh, I pass.
Gentleman Travel
08-21-08, 16:08
This is why we visit FKK clubs instead of the Laufhaeuser
Sorry, I am new to this section - what is a Laufthaeuser?
And while I am at it, can someone explain the difference (or advantages/disadvantages) of FKK vs Partytreff?
Yes, I have lots of the forum, and think I understand FKK, but am still a little vague on the deal at Partytreff...
Sorry, I am new to this section - what is a Laufthaeuser?
And while I am at it, can someone explain the difference (or advantages/disadvantages) of FKK vs Partytreff?
Yes, I have lots of the forum, and think I understand FKK, but am still a little vague on the deal at Partytreff...
A Laufhaus is a multi-story brothel with numerous rooms which the women rent. You negotiate directly with her, she closes the door, money changes hands and voila!
Never been to one?
As you leave the Frankfurt Hbf heading towards town, there are several side streets to the left where there are blocks full of Laufhaeuser.
Be prepared for a lot of stair climbing.
As to what a PT is, read this:
769453
Its one of the questions answered towards the top (number five to be precise).
Gentleman Travel
08-21-08, 19:20
As to what a PT is, read this:
769453
Its one of the questions answered towards the top (number five to be precise).
Thanks, sorry I did not see that myself.
I guess I checked the PT FAQ, but not this one!
Jackyo and I are having a discussion about the cost of a trip and factoring in what its going to cost you to hobby while in Germany. I understand you have to pay for some things that aren't under your control like hotels, car rentals...and for the girls. But when it comes to club entrance fee's, what are your feelings toward this extra charge? Included in the hobby budget as an extra charge? Worth the price most of the time?
From where I used to hobby, there was an added expense to buy all your food, drinks, admission to stripclubs and the like....just to pass the time before the girl arrived at your hotel. Easily could run you 100 or more per day. So at least for me, I find the cover charge at most clubs easily pays for itself...food, drinks, girls to watch, sauna's, pools, showers...etc. Any comments for or against this thinking?
Dick Travel
08-21-08, 22:33
gentlemen, very thought provoking posts today.
instead in real life i end up with crazy, neurotic types who are either narcissistic and high maintenance or so concerned with being left behind in what the germans call torschlusspanik when they get to their late thirties and early forties, they can only be described as man crazy.
i wonder if mongers may share certain phychologcal drivers to our "hobby".
jackyo touches on the downsides of perhaps starting/having a relationship with 30s/40s women in the "real" world. the world where they are very much affected by a multitude of societal, social, peer, family, religious, media driven influences on their thoughts and behaviour etc etc and fear of not being "normal" and "accepted". i tend to think the upshot of it all can often be they end up far from normal. ie "crazy, neurotic, man crazy".
now i turn to our often discussed magical and perhaps illusional "gfe". someone before said a gfe is when they have almost fallen for the girl/woman and feel they'd happily have them as a girlfriend in real life.
so, why do we "fall" for these fkk girls perhaps more than real world women?
jackyo comments
the ladies you and i like are the ones intelligent and skilled enough to realize what they're doing and provide that illusion.
our magical "gfe" session is in a way a mini time compressed whirlwind romance and relationship. is it perfect because the provider is smart enough (or perhaps cynical enough beyond their age) to have figured out not what turns us on but what turns us off in the real world?
is it perhaps ironically not the qualities they have and the things they do that works the magic for us, but conversely the qualities they dont have and the things they dont do. i think the fact both parties are removed from reality and it's effects allows us to behave more naturally, chemistry is not impeded by socio-phycological overides. do we behave more naturally away from the "real" world? bizzare but maybe true. is that whats refreshing, is that what truly lays behind the enablement of what we call gfe experience maybe?
if so no wonder we feed more and more on the illusion. don't pause to wonder too much though ! that would be dangerous, that might make you consider how much it could be affecting your views on the real world. can't be doing that !
oh dear, suddenly ones scratching the itch more and more and in denial about having the itch and its building real world effects. you are addicted !
i think lbc once typed "remember it's only a game". wise words gentlemen.
wow, i've gone off on a deep one this time havn't i !
here's another to ponder while we bask in the glow of post gfe sessioning..
i read somewhere that if you miss a chapter in your development you spend the rest of your life trying to fulfill it.
what life chapter are these young beauties missing while working in fkk's?
will they spend their lives trying to find and fulfil it? or is the substitute chapter a far better more valuable read?
yours in philosophical mode
dt
Since 3.5 years ago after 1st sweetest memory in FKK, I had addicted to FKK hunting. I had took every chance in my job to Germany just for the pleasure days in FKKs.
I will go to Eastern Germany (Leipig and Dresden) for a couple of days for business and sure for FKK mongering in next month. The only FKK club in Eastern Germany ever been to is the Artemis in Berlin, but it is too far for my trip this time.
After searching this forum, there are far and few between reports and threads about the FKK/Brothels and even outcall services in Easten Germany.
Could any colleague provide related information?
Thanks in advance.
gentlemen, very thought provoking posts today.
i wonder if mongers may share certain phychologcal drivers to our "hobby".
jackyo touches on the downsides of perhaps starting/having a relationship with 30s/40s women in the "real" world. the world where they are very much affected by a multitude of societal, social, peer, family, religious, media driven influences on their thoughts and behaviour etc etc and fear of not being "normal" and "accepted". i tend to think the upshot of it all can often be they end up far from normal. ie "crazy, neurotic, man crazy".
now i turn to our often discussed magical and perhaps illusional "gfe". someone before said a gfe is when they have almost fallen for the girl/woman and feel they'd happily have them as a girlfriend in real life.
so, why do we "fall" for these fkk girls perhaps more than real world women?
jackyo comments
our magical "gfe" session is in a way a mini time compressed whirlwind romance and relationship. is it perfect because the provider is smart enough (or perhaps cynical enough beyond their age) to have figured out not what turns us on but what turns us off in the real world?
is it perhaps ironically not the qualities they have and the things they do that works the magic for us, but conversely the qualities they dont have and the things they dont do. i think the fact both parties are removed from reality and it's effects allows us to behave more naturally, chemistry is not impeded by socio-phycological overides. do we behave more naturally away from the "real" world? bizzare but maybe true. is that whats refreshing, is that what truly lays behind the enablement of what we call gfe experience maybe?
if so no wonder we feed more and more on the illusion. don't pause to wonder too much though ! that would be dangerous, that might make you consider how much it could be affecting your views on the real world. can't be doing that !
oh dear, suddenly ones scratching the itch more and more and in denial about having the itch and its building real world effects. you are addicted !
i think lbc once typed "remember it's only a game". wise words gentlemen.
wow, i've gone off on a deep one this time havn't i !
here's another to ponder while we bask in the glow of post gfe sessioning..
what life chapter are these young beauties missing while working in fkk's?
will they spend their lives trying to find and fulfil it? or is the substitute chapter a far better more valuable read?
yours in philosophical mode
dt
i don't know if this is happening to everyone else out there who is my age but sometime around the time i turned forty, the tables turned.
i spent my twenties chasing women who would mostly ignore me. i turned forty and those who are still available started expressing interest. it happened slowly and it wasn't clearly a trend but lately, it just seems to be snowballing. they don't do it aggressively but subtly. "maybe you might be interested in doing something this weekend?" that kind of thing.
the tables turned. i became the scarce commodity and they were a dime a dozen.
the result is that my personal life outside of an fkk club is quite complicated. its got a cast of characters coming and going who are in all sorts of crazy emotional states.
when i am at a party, its almost guaranteed that the craziest chick in the room will find me and monopolize my time.
what a relief it is to enter a club environment where the women are uncomplicated and i don't have to deal with the nuttiness.
considering demographic trends, it promises to only get worse. women who are married or have partners these days will eventually find themselves alone. its a fact that they outlive us.
so if i live long enough i will have my choice of silver and blue haired women who will want a piece of me.
i read these articles about how the cruise ships, for example, have to stock their ships with older gentlemen who can dance to provide entertainment to the single older women who make up their clientele.
now if only i can learn to dance.
the dilemma, of course, is that when i am older i won't really want to be with women my age.
oh well.
maybe at some point in time they'll set up fkk clubs for these women where the men are there for their pleasure and they pay us instead of the other way around. it could happen.
Since 3.5 years ago after 1st sweetest memory in FKK, I had addicted to FKK hunting. I had took every chance in my job to Germany just for the pleasure days in FKKs.
I will go to Eastern Germany (Leipig and Dresden) for a couple of days for business and sure for FKK mongering in next month. The only FKK club in Eastern Germany ever been to is the Artemis in Berlin, but it is too far for my trip this time.
After searching this forum, there are far and few between reports and threads about the FKK/Brothels and even outcall services in Easten Germany.
Could any colleague provide related information?
Thanks in advance.
.. is scarce.
If you do a search typing in the words Leipzig and Dresden, a couple of posts will come up they don't have any meat in them.
I just answered a question on this topic under the Germany forum.
Good to see that you are slowly getting ready to join the Pensioners and know that when it is time, we have our ideal location waiting for us - great T-shirt title too:
Growing Old Disgracefully at Bernd's. ;-)
Only decision to be made will be- to start on the couches upstairs or downstairs?
If only life today was that simple.
I don't know if this is happening to everyone else out there who is my age but sometime around the time I turned forty, the tables turned.
What a relief it is to enter a club environment where the women are uncomplicated and I don't have to deal with the nuttiness.
Oh well.
It could always be in place to remind about this more or less indispensable map for a travelling hobbyist.
http://www.isaw-db.com/map_de.html
Good to see that you are slowly getting ready to join the Pensioners and know that when it is time, we have our ideal location waiting for us - great T-shirt title too:
Growing Old Disgracefully at Bernd's. ;-)
Only decision to be made will be- to start on the couches upstairs or downstairs?
If only life today was that simple.
... thank goodness and chances are I'll still be working way into my later years.
I like that T-shirt idea though! I'll have one made up!
Then on the backside of the T-shirt I'd have a list of the girls names with checkmarks for each one I've been with.
No one here will have a clue what it is about and that would be part of its appeal.
If there is any one thing which has probably changed the lives of Bernds clientele it is Vitamin V. It has allowed them to continue to be active beyond the point where they would normally hang their cleats up.
Its a wonder there isn't a medical incident each time I've visited. There are so many unfit older dudes mixing it up with younger, nubile sperm extractors.
That staircase heading to the basement would become a problem once the knees give way.
CBGBConnisur
08-24-08, 15:11
I don't know if this is happening to everyone else out there who is my age but sometime around the time I turned forty, the tables turned.
I spent my twenties chasing women who would mostly ignore me. I turned forty and those who are still available started expressing interest. It happened slowly and it wasn't clearly a trend but lately, it just seems to be snowballing. They don't do it aggressively but subtly. "Maybe you might be interested in doing something this weekend?" That kind of thing.
The tables turned. I became the scarce commodity and they were a dime a dozen.
The result is that my personal life outside of an FKK club is quite complicated. Its got a cast of characters coming and going who are in all sorts of crazy emotional states.
When I am at a party, its almost guaranteed that the craziest chick in the room will find me and monopolize my time.
What a relief it is to enter a club environment where the women are uncomplicated and I don't have to deal with the nuttiness.
Considering demographic trends, it promises to only get worse. Women who are married or have partners these days will eventually find themselves alone. Its a fact that they outlive us.
So if I live long enough I will have my choice of silver and blue haired women who will want a piece of me.
I read these articles about how the cruise ships, for example, have to stock their ships with older gentlemen who can dance to provide entertainment to the single older women who make up their clientele.
Now if only I can learn to dance.
The dilemma, of course, is that when I am older I won't really want to be with women my age.
Oh well.
Maybe at some point in time they'll set up FKK clubs for these women where the men are there for their pleasure and they pay us instead of the other way around. It could happen.
Not likely, women have a different thought process than men, a woman will find a man who is most likely to keep her safe attractive. Men will automatically be attracted to a woman who is sexually alluring. If you see a pretty girl walk by a group of men, they will always turn their heads to look at her. Its not as obvious for a group of women when they see a man and often its more subtle.
I have seen this myself, I saw a woman look at me, briefly smile and look away, she repeated this several times until I realized she was interested. I experienced something similar at work where a woman kept giving me a blank look, and an occasional blank stare, then a few days later it repeated and this time when she looked away she smiled.
for a small ISG Timeshare apartments location in the lovely surrounds of Hennef and geared to the requirements of more Senior mongers.
'Excess' - who is also looking into the development of putting the zimmer frame into the Zimmer at FKK's. They simply won't believe it in Florida !!!
... thank goodness and chances are I'll still be working way into my later years.
I like that T-shirt idea though! I'll have one made up!
Then on the backside of the T-shirt I'd have a list of the girls names with checkmarks for each one I've been with.
No one here will have a clue what it is about and that would be part of its appeal.
If there is any one thing which has probably changed the lives of Bernds clientele it is Vitamin V. It has allowed them to continue to be active beyond the point where they would normally hang their cleats up.
Its a wonder there isn't a medical incident each time I've visited. There are so many unfit older dudes mixing it up with younger, nubile sperm extractors.
That staircase heading to the basement would become a problem once the knees give way.
for a small ISG Timeshare apartments location in the lovely surrounds of Hennef and geared to the requirements of more Senior mongers.
'Excess' - who is also looking into the development of putting the zimmer frame into the Zimmer at FKK's. They simply won't believe it in Florida !!!
That's my dream for my retirement years- to open an FKK in Florida. I've written up a business plan, scouted out some locations, read up on the local codes, and have even lined up some people in the business who would be interested in managing it.
Of course it's illegal in the sex penitentiary that we call home, but I think that we may have come up with a way around that. Think "offshore gambling".
Jackyo- this could be your 2nd career. Since there are lot more widows than widowers in Florida, we'll need to keep some haus manner on the roster. Heh, heh, heh....
Sir Screwalot
08-24-08, 20:41
of course it's illegal in the sex penitentiary that we call home, but i think that we may have come up with a way around that. think "offshore gambling".....
...of course it's illegal in the sex penitentiary that we call home, but i think that we may have come up with a way around that. think "offshore gambling".....interesting thought.
a few decades ago in sweden, tv and radio broadcast was a national monopoly. (free speech, my a$$)
well, some people didn't like the situation and started to broadcast from a ship in the waters between copenhagen and malmoe in southern sweden.
(http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/radio_syd)
i think the key here is to be in international waters. i have been toying with using ships/yachts, but why not go the full distance and get yourself an oil platform?
i have some connections in this area, so if you are thinking along the lines of a fixed installation in international waters, with helipad, just let me know.
financially, we would put together a prospectus and distribute it right here on this forum. let's say we would have some 5000 takers putting in $5k each. that would be enough to get leverage for the rest. mind you, there are quite a few platforms coming up for sale shortly in norway.
and as shareholders we'll of course have certain perks...bada bing!
sir s
There's a misunderstanding, I do not practice shoot first, never ask, dont pay. And yes, I've had arguments, but before performing COB. I practise ask first, then either shoot and dont pay or dont shoot and dont pay. It does not really matter for me if a girl does COB or not.
As said, I'm not a COB fan. I do it rarely, I prefer CIM. And with Vanessa from Poland I have always done CIM, can't remember one single session without. ;-)
HB
Hey,
Thought I might chime in on this one and maybe shift it to the GI section.
I don't make a habit out of COB, but I do engage in it now and then and, like HB, Henio, Toscana and others, I have never paid extra for it.
Back in the day, one could take this "extra" for granted, but times seem to have changed. Seem like it has become more common for gals to include this on their paid-extras-list.
I had a girl at the Paradise Club in Stuttgart make a point of offering it as a paid extra (can't remember the girl's name. Cute, half-Turkish, terrible session), and Vivi at World (hot, hot hot, Polish girl, short, blond hair) also made it clear to me (without me asking) that this was a paid-extra.
I have a number of regulars who will gladly offer this if I want it, and I think that this is the way to go. If a Gent really has this need and wants to not pay for it, then he should do it with one of his favorites. In all likelihood it will not be a paid extra, but one should probably make sure beforehand.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Vito Corleone
08-26-08, 23:10
Maybe at some point in time they'll set up FKK clubs for these women where the men are there for their pleasure and they pay us instead of the other way around. It could happen.
Nice idea, but it would be a little harder for the working men. A woman can spread her legs & lube up, but a man has to get excited (pill or no pill) to have his pipes work. If a woman as ugly as me asked for sex, i would stay flacid even with a pill.
Nice idea, but it would be a little harder for the working men. A woman can spread her legs & lube up, but a man has to get excited (pill or no pill) to have his pipes work. If a woman as ugly as me asked for sex, i would stay flacid even with a pill.
You are thinking like a man. Learn to use your tongue! LOL!
Kingwenslas
08-27-08, 12:18
I may not have written as much as others on this forum, but I would like to think that my contributions have been informative, insightful and entertaining. By the way, it was Toscana who told me about this forum when I once met him in World, so “Thanks, Tosc”.
I have not posted much in the last year or so as I found that writing endless descriptions of sessions is not satisfying. But here’s my list of FKK Do s and Don’t s. Hopefully it will stimulate some discussion. If anyone has posted anything similar recently then I apologise: -
How to get the most out of an FKK visit
1. Be clean. I also shave just before arriving and use mouth-wash.
2. Always talk to the girl first and build rapport. If she’s not interested in talking then she’ll probably be a bad session.
3. Observe your choice of girl from afar and if possible time how long she stays in the room with other men.
4. If you are interested in a girl, ask a man who she has just sessioned with what she was like.
5. Be open and friendly to other punters and try to have conversations with them. This is one of the keys to getting the most out of an FKK visit.
6. Remember that the girls are here for the money and so every encounter is a business transaction – therefore make sure you are clear in advance what you will and will not pay for. Eg if you want a 20 minute blow-job followed by anal then decide in advance and tell her. She can back out now, not half-way through. If you think it’s not very romantic – well, get over it. If she offers to swallow your cum, but you don’t want to pay, then tell her.
7. Take your watch into the room and subtly indicate to the girl that you know what time your session starts.
8. Always compliment the girl in a sincere way on such things as: - her overall beauty, eyes, hair, aura, skin, face, – whatever turns you on.
9. Never tip – instead have extra sessions with the girl.
10. Don’t think that the better looking girls are worse in bed than the not-so-good-looking girls. Don’t have sex with the worst looking girl at the bar (who’s been sitting there for hours) thinking that she’ll be grateful and give you a good session. She’s not working because she hates her job and you should avoid her. Go for the girls that you initially find the most attractive and then screen them out.
11. Never discuss this forum with any of the girls (except for Cordelia in World, of-course).
Tips that apply to me personally for how to get the most out of an FKK visit
1. Avoid girls from southern Europe and stick to Polish, Baltic and Hungarian girls and consider Russians and Germans on their merits. Know when to break this rule.
2. Avoid younger girls – say, under 23 years old.
3. Don’t get drunk on the free beer.
4. Find out when they serve the food and plan around this.
5. Try and eat with a girl you are interested in so that you can get to know her a bit. Then you can take her to a room and pretend that you are on a date.
6. Don’t feel guilty at receiving a long blow-job and then not reciprocating – there are health issues, but anyway, you are paying so they can do the work.
7. Always remember to stay in control of any situation and to indicate to the girl what you want – I think that they appreciate this, plus you get what you want.
8. Don’t go to the Frankfurt clubs, but instead go to GT, PHG, Yin Yang etc because here you can extend a session to one hour for an extra €25 (in a lot of cases) so this represents much better value for money.
9. In my opinion, the best club at the moment is Golden Time in Brüggen because of the selection of girls.
Common Scams
1. 10 minutes into the session she says you only have 5 minutes left and you ought to hurry up and orgasm quickly (happened to me in PHG).
2. She will up-sell you to one hour, but actually you only get 35 minutes (happened to me in World).
3. When you orgasm, she will move her body so that your sperm touches her skin and for this she will demand an extra €50 (this happened to a friend in World).
4. She will pretend to swallow a small amount of your sperm and then claim that you didn’t tell her not to (this happened to me last week in World).
5. She will massage you for ages, all the time reassuring you that this is necessary for her method and then you’ll get a crap blow-job for 30 seconds at the end. (It’s happened to a friend at GT and to me at Yin Yang when I was promised an hour of tantric sex. When I got home I googled “tantric sex” to actually learn what it was all about. Basically it’s about reaching a higher level of understanding with your partner blah blah blah. Don’t fall for it.)
6. When you have a threesome, your two girls kiss each other and then demand extra for the “lesbie show” (it’s never happened to me, but a guy from the Dutch forum told me this one).
7. The girl kisses you at the start, but then stops kissing once the session is firmly established, such that you are committed and cannot end it without paying.
8. The girl acts all sweet to get you into the room and then changes as soon as you are committed. Afterwards she ignores you for the rest of your visit.
Counter-measures
Perhaps the most effective counter-measure is just to be aware of what might happen and then steer things away from situations as they develop. Most of the girls will only rip you off if you let them. Over the years I’ve had many sessions with girls who I could imagine would give bad service, but because I have experience, I’ve been able to “rescue” the situation. One thing I have noticed is that girls may ask you if it is your first time in the club. Always, ALWAYS give an answer which implies that you have loads of experience and you know exactly what you are doing.
Occasionally I have been up against “professional” scammers. If you are arguing over “extras” then have some change in your wallet and compromise. Make sure that you take the argument to the front desk but be prepared to gracefully back down. All you can do is make your point. If the girl gets enough complaints then she’ll be ejected. Three months ago I complained about a girl in Golden Time and, as a sweetener, I was given some discount cards for future visits.
Alternatively, you could always just go to Bernds.
There must be loads more do s and don’t s but that’s all I can think of on the spur of the moment.
Kingwenslas
I liked your scam list, King!
I will come up with some of my own and will add to your list.
In fact, I might (with your permission) take your list and add it to the FAQ (I probably should do an update soon so its high on the list and won't be missed by newbies).
Now this I totally agree with (but with restrictions):
Alternatively, you could always just go to Bernds.
The restrictions are: Bernds is what it is. Its small, cramped, the selection is small. Its not about facilities. Its about service.
It is not for everyone. If you like the large clubs, you should stay in the large clubs.
Nice idea, but it would be a little harder for the working men. A woman can spread her legs & lube up, but a man has to get excited (pill or no pill) to have his pipes work. If a woman as ugly as me asked for sex, i would stay flacid even with a pill.
In my local extra curricular activities (gangbang activities, that is) I have sometimes found myself having to simply close my eyes and focus on the task at hand. The women are sometimes not a visual treat.
Its not easy but it is doable.. but that is why they'd need to pay big bucks for this service.
1. Avoid girls from southern Europe and stick to Polish, Baltic and Hungarian girls and consider Russians and Germans on their merits. Know when to break this rule.
I was thinking about this the other day and the sourcing of EE women breaks out as follows:
- The Baltic states (this includes Poland which has a shoreline but also Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania)
- The Balkans (the hodgepodge of countries which used to make up the former Yugoslavia plus Albania)
- The Black Sea states (this includes Romania, Bulgaria)
This would only leave the landlocked countries out of this list: Hungary, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Moldova.
I agree with you on this observation, by the way, particularly on evaluating Russian and German women on their merits. The Baltics are fine. The Balkans and the Black Sea women are uneven.
As Routard has said here before, the further east she comes from, the least likely it is that you will understand her culturally.
I'll leave out the Caspian Sea states for now. We'd be talking about the "-stans" here and, of course, Iran.
I will go to Eastern Germany (Leipig and Dresden) for a couple of days for business and sure for FKK mongering in next month. The only FKK club in Eastern Germany ever been to is the Artemis in Berlin, but it is too far for my trip this time.
After searching this forum, there are far and few between reports and threads about the FKK/Brothels and even outcall services in Easten Germany.
Could any colleague provide related information?
Thanks in advance.
There's an FKK, Paradies in Halle which is right near Leipzig (http://www.fkk-paradies-halle.de/index.php?main=home). I've never been there so I can't offer any additional info. Heard about it from some Polish guys that I met in Baldis earlier this year who said that they prefer it over Artemis since it caters to an E. European clientele.
Njoy and post if you visit...
Njoy
Nice list Kingwenslas
7. Take your watch into the room and subtly indicate to the girl that you know what time your session starts.One cooment on this one. If you are repeating with a GFE she might actually get pissed (a bit) by this lack of trust :)
Did you write down your personal tips after your World visit? I think you did not follow them all ;)
Alternatively, you could always just go to Bernds.I agree. Some guys find it stimulating to reject 100 girls in Hessen just to find those out-of-this-world incredible passionate sessions. If you are past that and want the easy route go to Bernds.
Ekliges Lauern
08-28-08, 00:21
If you are past that and want the easy route go to Bernds.
Unfortunately, neither my eyesight nor standards have declined to the point where Bernds is a satisfying option.
CBGBConnisur
08-28-08, 15:37
The biggest shortcoming of FKKs seems to be the lack of Asian women, I have only seen a token Asian at most FKKs, and many of the ones in the FKKs that guys find attractive just seem subpar. Although I saw a fairly attractive one in Babylon a few years ago, and there seems to be a couple there now.
Ekliges Lauern
08-28-08, 16:59
the biggest shortcoming of fkks seems to be the lack of asian women, i have only seen a token asian at most fkks, and many of the ones in the fkks that guys find attractive just seem subpar. although i saw a fairly attractive one in babylon a few years ago, and there seems to be a couple there now.
agreed, although i think most would rate bea at palace as quite attractive. there are a number of average to cute looking asian women rep001tered around the clubs (if any of you are lurking, no disrespect intended, i love you all). koko at palace, lin at gt and the whole asian contingent at f39, none of them are model quality in terms of appearance, but i have had enjoyable session with all of them and repeat with many of them. i've gotten to the point where i am quite fond of average looking asian women.
if you want prettier, younger asian women, suggest you try the asian clubs in moers and monchengladbach. they are not fkk/saunas, but i've had a few hot sessions with very pretty chinese girls at these clubs. i swear, it seems like half the chinese co-eds in nrw are working in these clubs. i don't know how many times i have conversed with a girl about her studies at the uni during the session wind down.
part of my motivation for checking out niloticus next week is i had heard there is a good selection of asian women there. will report back to the forum.
CBGBConnisur
08-28-08, 18:30
Its easier to find Eastern European girls at FKKs because of distance. I have noticed some Asian girls at FKKs but compared to other countries like Australia, its hard to find high quality Asian providers in Germany.
There are a lot of guys who prefer a more curvy and voluptuous European women, and there are some who like Asians. I have been gravitating towards Asian women lately after repeated disappointments with European caucasian women.
Ekliges Lauern
08-28-08, 18:50
Its easier to find Eastern European girls at FKKs because of distance. I have noticed some Asian girls at FKKs but compared to other countries like Australia, its hard to find high quality Asian providers in Germany.
There are a lot of guys who prefer a more curvy and voluptuous European women, and there are some who like Asians. I have been gravitating towards Asian women lately after repeated disappointments with European caucasian women.
True, although I am quite fond of the Asian contingent at F39. Friendly, good service, pleasant looking women between about 25 and 35. There is/was a Thai named Jane who is stunner, but I found the session with her a little boring (nothing bad, just like fucking a civilian girl with no special talent).
I tend to get my fix of super attractive Asian girls in Hong Kong and Bangkok.
And nothing wrong with our EE lady friends as well.
Kingwenslas
08-28-08, 21:44
I was thinking about this the other day and the sourcing of EE women breaks out as follows:
- The Baltic states (this includes Poland which has a shoreline but also Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania)
- The Balkans (the hodgepodge of countries which used to make up the former Yugoslavia plus Albania)
- The Black Sea states (this includes Romania, Bulgaria)
This would only leave the landlocked countries out of this list: Hungary, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Moldova.
The one country which I haven’t heard much about lately is Moldova. I have had arguably the best sex of my life with Moldovans, so on that basis they should actually be top of my list.
In the past I discussed this issue a lot with my friend, Noskin, and we concluded that the reason why Moldovan girls would throw themselves at you so passionately is that they were at the bottom of the “working girl pecking order” and so had the most to prove.
Three experiences spring to mind that are totally off-topic for FKKs but I which feel the urge to recount so please bear with me (if there’s a better place to post this then let me know): -
About seven years ago I asked a Bucharest taxi driver to take me anywhere he could think of where I could get laid. We ended up in a seedy area behind a BP petrol station curb crawling, and looking around. Eventually we found the most grotesque looking pimp and the negotiations began. In the manner of many Eastern European business transactions they were long, drawn out and attracted quite a crowd of on-lookers. In the meantime the blond, blue-eyed 30 ish working girl was dutifully standing by awaiting instructions. Not being able to speak Romanian I had nothing better to do than indicate to her to come over and see if she spoke Russian. It turned out she was Moldovan and she did indeed speak Russian and so we were able to finish the negotiations between us and that saved a great deal of aggro. We were then shown into a dirty room with no door and she proceeded to eat me alive with passion and vigour in a way that was unforgettable. She was, I think, my first ever Moldovan and she made quite an impression.
The second story happened about six years ago in the capital of Moldova, Kishinev. I rang an escort agency in the morning and asked for a girl to be sent round immediately. I was told that it would be difficult to get someone that early, but I insisted and the woman said she would see what she could do. 45 minutes later, the most beautiful 20 year old came knocking on my door. She told me that she had only joined the agency the day before and that I was her first client. This can be a tactic to drive men wild, but there were things that she did which made me believe this was true, for example, she didn’t bring a condom with her and she genuinely didn’t know how much to charge me. And the sex was out of this world. I still daydream about her. That session (and all the others I ended up having with her over the next 2 years until she married) lasted a decent, juicy two hours.
The third story happened to my friend Noskin, also several years ago. We had walked into one of those seedy “night clubs” that you find on the Czech/German border and a van load of girls had just arrived from Moldova about ten minutes before us. Noskin selected the one he found the most attractive. The lucky girl’s eyes immediately lit up and she gave him such a lovely smile that Noskin was rather taken aback. When they returned from the room 45 minutes later, arm in arm, they looked at happy as a newly married couple. Noskin said he’d just had the best sex ever “since a long time” and that his young, fresh Moldovan had achieved a strong orgasm and was consequently all over him.
I have other Moldovan stories, but that’ll do for now. But the whole point of this is to remind you “If you meet a Moldovan, make sure you fuck her. You won’t regret it.”
Kingwenslas
Kingwenslas
08-28-08, 22:00
I liked your scam list, King!
I will come up with some of my own and will add to your list.
In fact, I might (with your permission) take your list and add it to the FAQ (I probably should do an update soon so its high on the list and won't be missed by newbies).
Jackyo
Thanks for showing your appreciation and of-course, I would be delighted if you used it to inform newbies of how to get the most out of our hobby.
My friend Noskin has just told me his tip: "Obey your gut feelings." The thing about this is that Noskin only speaks English so he doesn't have to divert mental resources into analysing the nuances of language. On the other hand, I try to use my linguistic skills to screen out women in advance to maximise the value of my fkk Euro. Whereas I take my time and think slowly, Noskin's stock phrase after 10 seconds of looking around is "She'll do."
And do you know the most annoying thing about this? His success rate for good sessions is not only higher than mine, but a lot higher.
Kingwenslas
Vito Corleone
08-29-08, 22:24
You are thinking like a man. Learn to use your tongue! LOL!
My tongue would be hiding in its shell like a turtle!
Vito Corleone
08-29-08, 22:34
In my local extra curricular activities (gangbang activities, that is) I have sometimes found myself having to simply close my eyes and focus on the task at hand. The women are sometimes not a visual treat.
Its not easy but it is doable.. but that is why they'd need to pay big bucks for this service.
Doable? Maybe if I bring a Playboy mag & tape it to the ceiling like Al Bundy, then my pipes might work. Unlike Kingwestlas, I like the young hot Romanians under 23!
Vito Corleone
08-29-08, 22:45
I was thinking about this the other day and the sourcing of EE women breaks out as follows:
- The Baltic states (this includes Poland which has a shoreline but also Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania)
- The Balkans (the hodgepodge of countries which used to make up the former Yugoslavia plus Albania)
- The Black Sea states (this includes Romania, Bulgaria)
This would only leave the landlocked countries out of this list: Hungary, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Moldova.
I agree with you on this observation, by the way, particularly on evaluating Russian and German women on their merits. The Baltics are fine. The Balkans and the Black Sea women are uneven.
As Routard has said here before, the further east she comes from, the least likely it is that you will understand her culturally.
I'll leave out the Caspian Sea states for now. We'd be talking about the "-stans" here and, of course, Iran.
I have only been visiting the FKKs for only 3 years, but I tend to session with more than 5 women a day & I have had good sessions with women from all over Europe (including Romania & Bulgaria). The Romanians seem to get a bad rep (well deserved), but I have had some off the hook GFE sessions too. I am not really into talking so understanding her culturally is not a major goal in my FKK trips.
A two week trip is definately a tad long...but now that the sun is out for the next few days down in frankfurt, ill try my best.
goldentime...slim pickings on monday but my luck was good and kandy decided to work. took her for another spin...she can suck the chrome off a trailer hitch. talent for tues and wed...some cuties but more and more girls wearing too much clothing makes me avoid them in case saggy tits are being hidden...or worse. club is just too small for the crowd, if the weather sucks outside, it gets pretty tight inside. overheard the new plunge pool-deck expansion is for the sauna. maybe moving the sauna outside would be nice to open up that atrium area for more space...make it one large room.
finca erotica...loved this club my last trip....did it twice. visited on thursday their desous day....no talent, had to repeat with 2 of my favorites of last trip and call it an early night. left a day early and hit oases instead of finca for the second day.
oases...fridays talent was lacking somewhat lacking...plenty of girls but only a few that stood out.
world...things started slowly...but by 3pm there was lots of choices. club is out of this world, only improvement would be to add a large deck where the steel frame stairs are located. couple steps down to the deck making less down to the pool. too many people wanting to be outside but close to the girls hanging out inside.
food...all the clubs did cookouts, all pretty decent. why if they can let you take what you want during the summer cookouts, they dont allow this in the colder months when they serve you your plates...comment for oase and goldentime only.
Please forgive me for asking,but would someone post the site for the ICE trains ?
Before I stumbled onto this site I had no great desire to go to Europe / Germany, now I it looks like I will be coming for the second time in 2 years. :~))
Please forgive me for asking,but would someone post the site for the ICE trains ?
Before I stumbled onto this site I had no great desire to go to Europe / Germany, now I it looks like I will be coming for the second time in 2 years. :~))
write Ice trains into google dude and amazing things will happen ;-)
Please forgive me for asking,but would someone post the site for the ICE trains ?
:~))
http://www.bahn.de/international/view/en/index.shtml
Vito Corleone
09-04-08, 02:07
Please forgive me for asking,but would someone post the site for the ICE trains ?
Before I stumbled onto this site I had no great desire to go to Europe / Germany, now I it looks like I will be coming for the second time in 2 years. :~))
Need cheap ICE tix? Go to www.cream.de
Thanks fellows for the Links.
On my next trip to Europe I would like to do some regular tourist stuff. I am planning on flying into Dusseldorf. Then head over and visit Samya and Bernards for a couple of days.
Now I thought about taking the train to Bayeux, Fr and going on a D Day tour. I have never been to Fr. The only down side is the train ride is 8 hours. So I would lose close to 2 days sitting on a train. Can anyone suggest anywhere in Fr close to Dusseldorf where I wouldn't have to spend all day on a train?
Are there any FKK that take Visa/Mastercard for the admission price. I know you pay the girl directly. In the past this was no, but I head somewhere they are taking Credit Cards now..???
Are there any FKK that take Visa/Mastercard for the admission price. I know you pay the girl directly. In the past this was no, but I head somewhere they are taking Credit Cards now..???Oase does, but they add about 5% fee to cover, and the lady on reception will not be to pleased either, charges, as in most of Germany its better to pay with cash.
Thanks fellows for the Links.
On my next trip to Europe I would like to do some regular tourist stuff. I am planning on flying into Dusseldorf. Then head over and visit Samya and Bernards for a couple of days.
Now I thought about taking the train to Bayeux, Fr and going on a D Day tour. I have never been to Fr. The only down side is the train ride is 8 hours. So I would lose close to 2 days sitting on a train. Can anyone suggest anywhere in Fr close to Dusseldorf where I wouldn't have to spend all day on a train?If you like military history,you could go to Ypres(Belgium)would be about 4 hours by train from DUS,great tours of the WW1 battlesites.or Waterloo,south of Brussels by about 8kms,where Napolean was defeated,as regards to France,if you like Champagne head to Reims,for tours of the Champagne houses,or Strasbourg,which is quite close to the German boarder,my personal favourite is a river Rhine cruise from Cologne to Remagen and see the famous bridge(WW2)then get the train back along the banks of the River Rhine to Clogne or Dusseldorf ,or you could just simply drink great beer in Cologne, whilst waiting for Berndts to open,which is what I will be doing this friday,hope that helps a bit.
Good luck
Thanks fellows for the Links.
On my next trip to Europe I would like to do some regular tourist stuff. I am planning on flying into Dusseldorf. Then head over and visit Samya and Bernards for a couple of days.
Now I thought about taking the train to Bayeux, Fr and going on a D Day tour. I have never been to Fr. The only down side is the train ride is 8 hours. So I would lose close to 2 days sitting on a train. Can anyone suggest anywhere in Fr close to Dusseldorf where I wouldn't have to spend all day on a train?
Bayeux is too far away unless you really must see the Bayeux Tapestry and are very much into the story of William the Conqueror and the Battle of Hastings in 1066.
Nearby is Caen which you have to visit as well to have the tripes a la mode de Caen. Not to be confused with Cannes on the Riviera, by the way.
And going to Normandy to do a D Day tour without a car wouldn't make any sense. You will need a car to have access to the beach, Pointe du Hoc and Ste. Mere Eglise.
In Normandy by the way there are other things to do such as visit the beaches of Deauville, Trouville, the town of Honfleur and the casino at Cabourg. Then there are the crepes and the cidre bouchee, the Calvados and the Camembert. Its all about food and drink in France.
Kein Wunder that the Germans have an expression: Leben wie Gott in Frankreich: living like God in France.
Not to mention that further down the road is Mont Saint Michel and Bretagne.
You will also have to change trains in Paris. Going to Paris without spending time in Paris doesn't make too much sense (at least not to me).
Not to forget that one should probably also stop in Rouen to see the Cathedral.
To make the most of it, you should really take a week to two weeks.
(Sorry about getting carried away but I am a frustrated travel writer.)
You can do easy day trips from DUS to Brussels and to Amsterdam. That is what I would do instead of going to France.
Bayeux is too far away unless you really must see the Bayeux Tapestry and are very much into the story of William the Conqueror and the Battle of Hastings in 1066.
Nearby is Caen which you have to visit as well to have the tripes a la mode de Caen. Not to be confused with Cannes on the Riviera, by the way.
And going to Normandy to do a D Day tour without a car wouldn't make any sense. You will need a car to have access to the beach, Pointe du Hoc and Ste. Mere Eglise.
In Normandy by the way there are other things to do such as visit the beaches of Deauville, Trouville, the town of Honfleur and the casino at Cabourg. Then there are the crepes and the cidre bouchee, the Calvados and the Camembert. Its all about food and drink in France.
Kein Wunder that the Germans have an expression: Leben wie Gott in Frankreich: living like God in France.
Not to mention that further down the road is Mont Saint Michel and Bretagne.
You will also have to change trains in Paris. Going to Paris without spending time in Paris doesn't make too much sense (at least not to me).
Not to forget that one should probably also stop in Rouen to see the Cathedral.
To make the most of it, you should really take a week to two weeks.
(Sorry about getting carried away but I am a frustrated travel writer.)
You can do easy day trips from DUS to Brussels and to Amsterdam. That is what I would do instead of going to France.
Hey Chukar,
Jackyo has laid out some serious French delights for you and I wouldn't hesitate to jump all over those possibilities. I'd bath in Calvados if I could.
However it puts you in a bit of a pickle if you want to enjoy the German Fkks as well. That stuff just ain't that close to the nookie scene over here. I suspect that the effort that it would take in travel would cause you to shortchange your enjoyment of one or the other.
I agree that Belgium is a good, manageable option. Namur, Leuven, Brussels, even Ghent and Brugge are doable by train, and are all rather enjoyable.
If you are dead set on hitting France, then here is another option: You might consider flying into Frankfurt, dealing with the clubs in Hessen, and checking out some of the wonderful French towns and cities in the Elsaß region. (Note, Jackyo's skin is probably crawling because I used the Germanic name rather than "Alsace". Tut mir sehr Leid für diese ästhetische Bellastung ;-)) It is seriously nice in towns like Strasbourg, Colmar, and many other places in that region. Plus it is manageable with either car or train. Personally I would recommend a car with GPS for maximum flexibility, but it is of course your choice.
Might also be interesting for you to check out some of the charming German cities on the "other" side of the Rhein. Also the Black Forest holds a special charm anytime of the year.
Good luck and have fun.
Cheers,
Dedalus, who laments that there is no FKK scene in Provence
CBGBConnisur
09-10-08, 03:29
FKKs are strictly European and pretty much a Germanic thing, there is no way in hell the concept will ever come to America, the USA is way too puritanical for it, even though we have the biggest porn industry and our mass media portrays the US as sex obsessed, I just don't see such a concept ever seeing the light of day in the US. Even in Canada where prostitution is much more tolerated, brothels are largely illegal.
You guys are the BEST!
Dedalus, Long Range and especially you Jackyo.
Unfortunately I already got my ticket to Dusseldorf because I wanted to finish my trip with an all out fling in the NWR clubs, GT, VV, LR, PHG and hopefully visit with the Ice Bears. Fortunately my ticket was FREE: ))
Dedalus if I had my choice of any area of Fr I would choose the Cognac region, because I love cognacs, but my second choice would be Provence.
My last trip in March I flew into Amsterdam and spent 3 days there. I thought it was very expensive and too touristy for my taste. I loved the smaller cities I visited much better.
Please anyone have any more suggestions I need help and will listen to all. Have been considering Berlin, but since I retired and now live in a small town I don't like big cities much anymore. I also checked into Long Ranges suggestion of a river cruise but they all seem to be to many days. I would like to try a 1 day cruise, but I will do more searching for that.
Thanks Again
Hey Chukar,
Jackyo has laid out some serious French delights for you and I wouldn't hesitate to jump all over those possibilities. I'd bath in Calvados if I could.
Ha! How is that for an up and coming fetish? A Calvados bath and then sex with a chick from Normandy.
If you are dead set on hitting France, then here is another option: You might consider flying into Frankfurt, dealing with the clubs in Hessen, and checking out some of the wonderful French towns and cities in the Elsaß region. (Note, Jackyo's skin is probably crawling because I used the Germanic name rather than "Alsace". Tut mir sehr Leid für diese ästhetische Bellastung ;-)) It is seriously nice in towns like Strasbourg, Colmar, and many other places in that region. Plus it is manageable with either car or train. Personally I would recommend a car with GPS for maximum flexibility, but it is of course your choice.
Kein Problem! Elsaß, Alsace.. tomayto, tomahto... :)
Again, I'd do a food and wine tour if I were visiting this part of France. Choucroute garnie washed down with a Riesling, the Flammenkueche, the Tarte Tatin, and Kugelhopf, z. B. Visit the towns of Ribeauville and Riquewihr then on to Colmar to see the Issenheimer Altar and then on to Mulhouse (oder Mulhausen, in German) to see the Schlumpf collection of Buggatis. (No, not the Schtroumpfs which is what the Smurfs were before they crossed the Atlantic.)
Dedalus, who laments that there is no FKK scene in Provence
Now you're talking! That would be the definition of living like God in France!
Now what other part of France were you interested in visiting? :) The Camargue, the Auvergne or Perigord?
Hey Jackyo,
What can I say? I'm an oddball.
Impressive knowledge of the Elsaß region, my man. Few folks would know Riquewihr, although they should. I'd add Kaysersberg to the list if one were to explore that far south. Both cities are great for getting hammered on good Riesling and fat on tasty Flammküchen. I know a few good spots in those places.
Chukar would certainly need wheels to comfortably hit those towns, but Strasbourg, Colmar and Mulhouse are on the french train line.
Now you're talking! That would be the definition of living like God in France!
Now what other part of France were you interested in visiting? :) The Camargue, the Auvergne or Perigord?
An FKK in the Camargue? That Mistral might play Hell with a Gent's towel. I actually biked through that region one summer. I love the region, but heat, humidity and mosquitoes can be a rough combo.
Cheers,
Dedalus, closet Francophile
FKKs are strictly European and pretty much a Germanic thing, there is no way in hell the concept will ever come to America, the USA is way too puritanical for it, even though we have the biggest porn industry and our mass media portrays the US as sex obsessed, I just don't see such a concept ever seeing the light of day in the US. Even in Canada where prostitution is much more tolerated, brothels are largely illegal.
Sweden is sometimes considered to be the 51 or 52 or whatever state of the US. At least in our internal debates. It's amusing to consider that allthough we in Sweden are far from as religious as in the US, we act very similar. As you all might know, paying for sex is illegal since a few years back, and our nice administration figths for EU to enforce similar laws in all european countries.
At the same time, Sweden is somtimes considered to be the origing of sin, beeing openminded about sex etc. And as you say, the media is obsessed about it. Last weekend the second largest newpaper had on their official add a blurry picture of a couple making out behind a window. The header was "large number of pictures" and "couple photographed while having sex behind a shopwindow". Where is the public interest to watch those blurry pictures. Published in a newspaper that would ban the FKK harder than anyting else you could imagine.
Thank god for Ryanair and their 10 eurocent flights to Germany, and let's hope Germany can stay calm in hurricane of demands on changing the laws related to sex and FKK.
What can I say? I'm an oddball.
... that I have bottle of Calvados somewhere in my basement.
You are in good company, dude!
Dedalus, closet Francophile
I love France but have not had good experiences with French women whether they be professionals or in my real life. They are usually very pleasing to the eyes but just a little too complicated particularly because its all about the art of the tease.
Think about French attitudes to food and drink: "Here is a little bit of something. Its very good, very tasty but you will only have a tiny portion of it. Just for the taste. It is, by the way, very expensive too."
Professional sex in France is similarly rationed out in small quantities and at high prices.
In contrast, one goes to Germany, to have a large Eisbein, wash it down with large quantities of beer and all at reasonable prices. There is no tease. You get exactly what you want and in quantities that you want.
This German attitude toward food carries over to the Partytreff scene: as much sex as you want for reasonable prices.
Vito Corleone
09-13-08, 03:39
Are there any FKK that take Visa/Mastercard for the admission price. I know you pay the girl directly. In the past this was no, but I head somewhere they are taking Credit Cards now..???
World also accepts credit cards.
Oase accepts credit cards as well, with a 10% surcharge. You can even use them to pay the girls at Oase, with another 10% per usage.
I hope this is the correct section to post my question. I think it doesn't need a proper thread.
I like even black girls, round lips and asses strong like stones borned to be doggied.
I was curious to understand which is, for yourself, the best fkk or sauna club for reach pretty and hot black girls.
Thanks to all the contributions
I can only mention, for my experience, Crystal from Palace (2007) and Destiny from Oase (2008). Only black girls I tried by myself fkk experience.
Since I returned from my "Virgin FKK Tour" last month it has been the prime topic of conversation with a number of my lady friends and fellow hobbyists. I live in the US, so only one of my friends even knows about the FKKs (he's a former serviceman, natch). One question which has been asked, and about which I'm curious myself, concerns the ladies' finances. My experience was of course completely from the customer's side, but I'm hoping some of you (Jackyo comes to mind) who like to know the inside story might have some insight.
In a Pauschalclub or Partytreff, the girls are obviously "on staff" in some way. Anyone know how they get paid. Per performance, per night, or some combination. And in general how much they might make?
Concerning the FKK clubs, I was even more curious. We pay the girls per session, and to the customer it appears they keep what they get. At some clubs I went to, like Oase, the receptionist was very, very insistent (without me even bringing it up) that the club had NOTHING to do with what the girls do. It almost seemed they protested too much. Does this vary between clubs, or is there some sort of standard "cut" the club gets from the women for use of the facilities? And would this be per session or per night?
I know that in US strip clubs the girls earn almost nothing until they meet some minimum, and after some point each lap dance and so on is mostly profit. A couple of my lady friends here were completely certain that the FKK establishment must take a large chunk of the ladies' earnings. Of course, they'd never been to Germany and didn't even know what a FKK club was. But they do know that "business is business".
If anyone knows how it works in general, or even just knows the specifics for a particular club, I'd be very interested. I look forward to reading the responses.
Johnny Z.....You tell your lady friends about your escapades! Sweet! I am good friends with soe women who know of my obby, but I thought I was a bit alone in this. They are fascinated by the whole thng and bemoan that the same doesn't exist for women.
Well, I think I have written about ti before, but I will ut it up again about the womens finances (I don't knwo much about the party-treff area, so I will remain silent on it).
The legal situation of the FKK demands that the clubs not be involved in the financial situation that goes on between the men and women. As in England and Canada (but with a different legal system) prostitution is legal, but pimping, promoting or living off the avails of prostitution is illegal. That mean that clubs cannot be seen as earning money form prostitution or furthering prostitution. What they are is clubs where women and men pay an entrance fee,a dn what happens between the women and them men is only the business of the women and the men involved and the club has no role whatsoever in what is going on.
In clubs like Oase, World and GT the entrance fee for women is generally similar to the one for men. It is a daily fee and it usually is in the 50-75€ a day range, and that is the income that the club makes. These rates vary a bit, when clubs need more women they lower the rates, wehn they think business is going well, they raise the rates a bit, but generally they are in this range. At Oase an World there are discounts that the girl get for dancing in the striptease rotation, and extra charges if they sleep at the club, but these are usually in the range of 15€.
After this fee ALL the money that the girls get from the men for their services is theirs. The club gets NOTHING out of it! This is very important for the legal definition of most of these clubs.
Does this work out for the clubs? Well, take GT, where about 200 men a day pay 50€ each and about 60 girls a day pay 65€......that is about 10,000€ a day from the men and 3900€ a day from the girls.
Assume the 15 people or so who work their in the service area all get about 150€ a day in cash for working there, that is about 2250€. Tht leaves about 11,000€ a day and at 363 days a year that is somewhere in the 4 million € a year range. Assume they paid about 1.5 million for the property and rebuild,a nd you see that it can pay off.
Of course this math is with one fo the most successful clubs, and I know a lot of clubs that are nto cash machines like that, but still, the math can work out, without getting a cent from the women.
In a club like GT a girl who has been working there for a while (when they are brand new some earn a lot more than normal, because they are new and people try someting new) can expect about 6-8 rooms a day, and if you take an average of around 60€ per room, a normal girl at a club like that can realistically be earning 250-300€ a day after her entrance fees. If she is there on a multi-day stint, then her cost of travelling their is minimal.
Officially it is expected that she tax this moey on a normal tax return, but very few women do. Some have someone else (usually an immigrant) use their legal papers to do some sort of low paying job at a supermarket or such which is what they turn in as their tax returns. The immigrant keeps the after tax wage, and the working girl has tax identity and sometimes health care adn such. Not all girls do this, and the whole tax and health care situation is somethign that a lot of girls tend to neglect, and can sometimes get them in trouble. gain, nothign the lub really wants to get involved in.
Since a lot fo recent raids have cared more about whether the clubs an girls are paying adequate tax, there are a lot of clubs who have started charging a "tax withholding" fee of 20€ a day, which is given anonymously to the finance department in lieu of individual taxes. I am nto sure of the whole legality of this, but as I have hear the same numbers from a number of clubs, it seems to be something that the finance authorities seem to accept.
In Germany it is legal to file a tax return with the job description of hooker. Not many girls do this though. Soem get n trouble if they get too talky with the cops on a raid and claim they earn 4 times as much as the cop (I know of a girl who did this and ended up with a court case and a tax bill around 150,000€ in back taxes due to her mouthing off and making claims of high income for the past 5 years.
I know some girls who have made decent money (around 80k€ a year) doing this job and have been able to put some money to the side. I know a lot who have been in the game for a long time and hve virtually nothing to show for it. This has to do with personal decisions they have made, more than something systemic.
Pimping can be a probem. there are some clubs (some of the major ones) where I think this pimping is systemic. Where I get the feeling fo truckloads of girls coing from the same city, and where guys with TCOB and teardrop tattoos run around and keep a decent track of which girls seem to be top earners and mgith approach them about working as management. I tend to feel ucomfortable at these clubs an generally avoid any girl where I get the feeling she isn't wholely working on her own account. But it is pretty tough to figure this out.
The fact is that girls are free to choose where they want to work, the girls talk to each other and find out where the best places for them to work are, given their individual circustances. Soem like to work close to home, some far from hoe, some like to get regulars, others tink they can make more money with a more or less travelling show.
It is not necessarily a job I would want my daughter to choose as a career, but I can understand wh many choose it.
Don't feel bad about what you do. Treat the women well, pay them fairly and if you are in a situation where you think something is fishy, don't continue frequenting that establishment. You are not contributing to all the evils that some associate with prostitution, unless you are actively demanding more subservient women, an ever changing lineup, or ever younger girls or soemthing like that.
I have been in the game for about 10 years now, and I know a lot of working girls well, and I have visited some in the hospital when they have been recovering frm cancer (unrelated to the job) and have visited some privatel at home or went to dinner with some (again, just as friends). I know some of the men who run clubs, or used to run clubs,a nd I know some men who pimp girls. So my info is rather reliable.
That being said, some clubs have no or low entrance fees for the ladies and do take part of the cut, usually these are the nightclub sort fo place and not the FKK's, but places like Babylon, Atrium, Dolce Vita and others also have a system like this. But gain the girls chooe where they work, and usually based on what they think they can earn. I know a girl who was making upwards fo 600€ a day take home in Babylon, even if she was only keeping 40€ of the 65€ for each half hour.
Hi Peter, thanks for the comments. That was a nice description of the basics. I was certain this has been discussed before, but I wasn't sure how to search to get to the core of it. And the situation can evolve, so it can be good to re-visit it.
Regarding my lady friends, here in the US we have to be very careful so you tend to have to learn a fair amount about someone before you see her. Also, in a small city like mine it tends to be a small world, so many of the ladies become personal aquaintances, although (for me) no emotional relationships. Sometimes it happens I wish there was no relationship, but most of the older (30+) ladies are actually very interesting people and pretty nice. I actually don't feel like I'm exploiting them, all the ladies I know at all well are without question running their own show.
What you say makes sense in terms of what I know about the laws in Germany. And it passes the economics test, in a smaller club with lower overhead, if 50 guys came through on a busy day that could be 2500 Euros, add 500-1000 from the ladies and that sounds like a good moneymaker.
I know some of my friends would still be suspicious about how strictly on the up-and-up the clubs operate, and what percent of the ladies are exploited by the pimping and trafficking hangers-on. Be interested to see if anyone has any comments about that, or has concrete information on how the ladies are treated in any particular club.
In a Pauschalclub or Partytreff, the girls are obviously "on staff" in some way. Anyone know how they get paid. Per performance, per night, or some combination. And in general how much they might make?
Peter knows the FKK club financial picture from behind the scenes better than I do.
I've asked several times how the PT women and clubs make their money and from my understanding there is some kind of revenue sharing arrangement going on.
You pay typically 100 Euros to get in. There usually are (as least back in 2005 when I first visited PTs) six to eight women there.
My understanding is that for each guest that comes, they get something like 10 Euros per head. The rate probably varies with the type of event going on that day and the entrance fee pricing.
So if the club takes in 100 Euros and there are say seven women there, then the club has 30 Euros per guest to pay its overhead, food, drink and staff after paying the women.
If the club has 50 guests during the whole day, each chick takes home 500 Euros and the club has 1,500 Euros to pay its bills.
The women primary job to keep the guests satisfied. The well run PTs have a rule that if there is even one complaint the chick is tossed out on her ear.
This creates a team athmosphere between the women where they keep tabs on who among them isn't doing her share. At a PT like Dorsten the women double team you. They almost never take on men individually. She usually has a partner trying to facilitate the session. Its also a form of security for them should the dude turn out to be unruly. The quicker you come, the quicker they can take a break.
There are ways to offset this behavior by the way. I've spent many long hours just poking away with women I've connected well with a these clubs. I complain openly to them that I am not a cow who is there to be milked (they will milk you exactly as they would a cow if you let them - I have no doubt at all that some of them actually have milked cows, goats or sheep).
This brings to mind a sign which hangs in the bedroom near the front staircase at PT Mettmann which advertises milking equipment for a Molkerei. I laughed hard the first time I saw it.
The clubs have found a way to have the women classified as independent contractors otherwise it creates all sorts of issues for them. They are not employees. This legal distinction is important.
At the PTs with closed doors such as PT Traumland there appears to be an incentive system at work. Each time you go to a room with a chick she collects a token (or jeton) and they count them at the end of the day. I've not figured out how they fees are shared at a club such as this yet. I asked Anja the last time I was there what it was about but she wouldn't explain.
Johnny Z,
I sort of misunderstood. I thought you were discussing your german exploits with non working girls.
If they re american and decent looking, they should try a 2 week stint in a top FKK, and see for themselves.
I do know quite a bit about the background working of a lot of clubs, but I am not going to divulge much of it here.
There are some clubs which are directly owned ow managed by organized crime groups like the Hells Angels, btu according to a lot of customers these are some of the best run clubs around. I have my own feelings on this, but that might just be due to personal experiences with such groups outside of this business.
I also knwo some small family type clubs which turn out to be virtual fronts for 1 or 2 pimps to offer only thier ladies.
The simple fact is that the system of the FKK pretty much makes pimps unnecessar, adn girls who choose to have them, are pretty much at fault themseleves. If you see girls with a name tattooed prominently on themselves, you can assume the name is not of thier dead brother, but ore tan likely her pimp. Whether he is exploiting her, or whether she is expressing her deep love for him is something a psychologist should be figuring out. I know a tonne of girls who work 100% for themselves. I know girls who work to support a husband and kids. I know girls who work to support thier boyfriend, adn I know girls who compete to be the best hooker for a guy who claims to have 15 girlfriends.....So it is not systematic, and people choose what they choose.
I know girls who have come from poland or blugaria or romania or brazil, and 99% of them knew exactly what the hiring agent was looking for when he was searching for "hostesses for a bar" and none that have their passports taken away.
That is more the sort of thing that happens in appartments where 3 or 4 girls work.
Whether the clubs are keeping completely accurate books and paying taxes on every cent of their recepts is a bit of a question, and probably isn't hapening, as it is a cash business. But the only club closed due to the tax issues is Atlantis....I know a couple fo others that have had multiple tax enquiries and some club anagers who have significant tax liabilities out of this.
I know a lot about clubs, and I am generally a person who doesn't do horrndously immoral things, and I feel cofortable going to clubs.
If you are paranoid, then don't go.
There used to be a guy here and I met hi and is wife at a swinger club once, and his wife used to like to go to work at FKK's on her vacation. She was a woman in her 40's from a major EU country and had a good job. She liked working there. And she worked in a club that happens to be owned by the Hells Angels.
Thanks for the additional comments, Peter. I didn't mean to imply I wanted "inside info" that you shouldn't relate pubically. I am just curious about the whole system. Obviously you know quite a bit, I would infer you've worked with or in some clubs.
Also don't misunderstand my followup. I'm not worried, much less paranoid, about the FKKS, to the contrary I think this system is about is good as we could hope for. A couple of my lady friends were dubious about how independently the ladies can work, but you summed it up nicely. There can be shenanigans in any kind of system. As I said in my previous post, I'm 100% sure the ladies I know well here in the US are in charge of their own affairs, and it is clear that in Germany you can work on your own terms in all types of business models.
Oh, would I love to bring a lady friend or two with me to Germany! Yes, I think I know a couple of them who would do quite well, they might find it could be a profitable trip, not just a free (albeit working) vacation.
Jackyo, thanks for the outline of the PT structure. That sounds less lucrative, but I guess taking in 600 Euros a day (for the clubs) adds up even after expenses, and 200 Euros per lady who on average are satisfying 2 men sounds reasonable.
God, I am wishing on all my lucky stars that this business to Germany which might happen in October actually comes to pass. I can hardly wait to go back.
Peter Shaww
09-16-08, 02:44
Hi there, I am new to the German scene and I am looking for more upscale clubs that offer full service. I have a few questions, I hope you can help.
Q1: What is the difference between Nachtclubs, FKK Clubs and Sauns Clubs?
Q2: I was told the the Relax Nachtclub in Hamburg is the type of club I am looking for, but from the website, it doesn't seem to offer the services like the FKK clubs? What exactly is a Nachtclub?
Q3: If FKK clubs is what I should be looking for, can you recommend any upscale clubs in Frankfurt, Dusseldorf and Koln?
Q4: Apart from the above, I also saw Sauna Clubs on Google. What are Sauna Clubs???
Q5: I also read about facilities like Pascha in Koln, what is this?
Thank you in advance for your help! Look forward to hear from you.
Peter
Hi there, I am new to the German scene and I am looking for more upscale clubs that offer full service. I have a few questions, I hope you can help.
Q1: What is the difference between Nachtclubs, FKK Clubs and Sauns Clubs?
Q2: I was told the the Relax Nachtclub in Hamburg is the type of club I am looking for, but from the website, it doesn't seem to offer the services like the FKK clubs? What exactly is a Nachtclub?
Q3: If FKK clubs is what I should be looking for, can you recommend any upscale clubs in Frankfurt, Dusseldorf and Koln?
Q4: Apart from the above, I also saw Sauna Clubs on Google. What are Sauna Clubs???
Q5: I also read about facilities like Pascha in Koln, what is this?
Thank you in advance for your help! Look forward to hear from you.
Peter
... are answered in the FAQ I wrote up a month or so ago.
Here is the link:
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I will not answer the questions answered in the FAQ but will answer questions which aren't answered by it.
A Nachtclub is a night club. Beware. This means that the women who work there do so on commission. If they can get you to order the 300 Euro bottle of champagne, they get a piece of that. They are also known as Animierungsmaedchen. They are usually available for extracurricular activities but beware. It is going to cost you.
What is this about wanting an upscale experience? What do you mean by that exactly? Do you think that if you spend more money you get better service? How about just visiting a wallet extraction service or taking your dollar bills and burning them at a fireplace?
There was a club near the Dutch border, the Hindenburg, which supposedly meant to deliver an upscale experience. Everything cost more. There was to be good food and drink, the women were to be elegantly dressed. What was it exactly? A place for folks with money to burn or with an expense account.
I was having a discussion with Peter years ago when this concept was first introduced. The women received more money but could they be more nude, blow harder, screw more enthusiastically than they do for the standard rate of 50 Euros per session? Probably not.
I don't believe the club exists any more.
To find out about Relax, do a search for it using the search button. Hamburg is not a hot spot for FKK club activity. It lives off its reputation as a destination for sex (much like Amsterdam) but it mostly preys off tourists so the women have no incentive to provide good service.
Best FKK clubs to visit? Look over the club threads and make a list of the ones with the most posts. This would give you a list of the largest clubs with the most ISG visitors. They are, frankly, not clubs I visit but if you are new or speak no German you should stay on the beaten path anyway.
This is Londonbasketcase's list, z. B.
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You seem to imply you want to only visit clubs which are more upscale than the ones we normally visit so I'm not sure these will meet your requirements. Again its use of the word "upscale" which has me wondering what you are looking for.
Pascha is a brothel similar the set up in the Frankfurt RLD or what they call a Laufhaus.
hindenburg is now a normal restaurant. Tehy gave up the higher class thing after about 2 months.
They did pick the prettiest girls form happy and wildenrath to work there, and the higher price customers also are the type who will book a girl for 3000€ for a week vacation in Ibiza or soemting like that.
The management of Villa Vertigo still knows these types of guys, and soe fo the girls that work there can make some extra money that way.
There used ot also be a couple of guys who would have their own sex parties, and look for a coupe of girls to work these sort of parties, usually about 500-700€ for the night.
Wildenrath sort of kept the top floor for these sort of parties.....but these parties are more rare nowadays.
There is a decent FKK in Hamburg, called FKK125, and I think it is on the Sasseler Chaussee 125. It is small with only about 8-10 girls working, but the pricing is similar to FKK's in the rhineland and I have had very good service there. They also make a really good Strammer Max, whcih is 2 fried eggs on a piece of ham on a piece of toast.....it tastes really really good.
And Johnny,
I gues bosses who want to epand thier business in germany should send their employee to an FKK on the first trip, that will make them give their all to make more business happen.
I know I take internatinal business partners there, making them want to do more business here, offering better prices for the chance to fuck more girls.....
Peter Shaww
09-16-08, 21:11
Thanks Peter and Jackyo!
I totally agree with your points regarding the clubs.
From the posts, looks like the top clubs are near Frankfurt, I am actually spending more time in the Dusseldorf/Koln area. Which fkk/sauna clubs will you recommend there? (I really hope to know your personal picks!)
Vito Corleone
09-17-08, 00:02
I hope this is the correct section to post my question. I think it doesn't need a proper thread.
I like even black girls, round lips and asses strong like stones borned to be doggied.
I was curious to understand which is, for yourself, the best fkk or sauna club for reach pretty and hot black girls.
Thanks to all the contributions
I can only mention, for my experience, Crystal from Palace (2007) and Destiny from Oase (2008). Only black girls I tried by myself fkk experience.
On my last 3 trips to Germany this year, Oase seemed to have between 2-4 black chicks from Africa or Dominican Rep. Black women are not really my type, but I did a pretty fine Ethiopian last fall @ Living Room. Last month, I had a great time with a black/Cuban chick named Marina @ Palace. Tight bod, nice ass with a fake rack. Off the hook service! She was working during the day shift.
Peter Shaww
09-17-08, 03:20
Since the FKK and Sauna clubs are all open, I am a bit worried about running into friends/business associates.
I am going to a large trade show, and a lot of my fellow businesses will be in the same town at the same time.
Any advice?
Since the FKK and Sauna clubs are all open, I am a bit worried about running into friends/business associates.
I am going to a large trade show, and a lot of my fellow businesses will be in the same town at the same time.
Any advice?
uhhh, wear a mask?
Dude, if you meet your friends in there, they will be there for the same reasons as you
From the posts, looks like the top clubs are near Frankfurt, I am actually spending more time in the Dusseldorf/Koln area. Which fkk/sauna clubs will you recommend there? (I really hope to know your personal picks!)Düssseldorf/Köln is actually much better than Frankfurt.
(I live near Frankfurt.) Go to some Partytreff clubs:
Sara's, Dorsten, Mettmann.
Thanks Peter and Jackyo!
I totally agree with your points regarding the clubs.
From the posts, looks like the top clubs are near Frankfurt, I am actually spending more time in the Dusseldorf/Koln area. Which fkk/sauna clubs will you recommend there? (I really hope to know your personal picks!)
That is debatable.
I hardly ever go down there and if you are going to be based in Duesseldorf/Koeln you will actually already be in the center of things in NRW.
Are you still committed to spending as much money as possible at an "upscale" club?
As I've said many times before, your best choice for a first time club is Samya which is within Koeln city limits. Decent club, selection, food and drink, facilities, low risk of being ripped off. There also is Sudbad but I've not read good things about it.
If you have a car (and considering you are a newbie and a tourist), you should do the Grenzgebietclubs: Planet Happy Garden, Goldentime and Villa Vertigo.
That should keep you busy for a while.
The latter three are large, transactional clubs which are used to dealing with tourists.
You can also add Living Room to this list. Its just to the west of Duesseldorf.
When you are ready to visit smaller relationship-oriented clubs which cater to a mostly German-speaking local clientele let me know. You will find me at those clubs, not the ones I am sending you to. They are off the beaten path for newbies and tourists.
Bernds is one of them, z. B. but I don't recommend that newbies visit this club until they have a few other clubs under their belts.
Since the FKK and Sauna clubs are all open, I am a bit worried about running into friends/business associates.
I am going to a large trade show, and a lot of my fellow businesses will be in the same town at the same time.
Any advice?
You might also go when your friends/business associates are likely to be doing something else... or you can go off the beaten path and visit the lesser known, smaller clubs in NRW.
Since the FKK and Sauna clubs are all open, I am a bit worried about running into friends/business associates.
I am going to a large trade show, and a lot of my fellow businesses will be in the same town at the same time.
Any advice?
...at you, so no worries. If you do run into them at a club, they (and you) will have many more interesting things to contemplate. And just think of the unique camraderie and common ground that you will now have with them, which could be translated into commercial capital later.
Alot depends on where you are from. If you're from Asia this kind of business entertainment is part of doing business. If you're from Europe, they will look at you as a normal fresh-blooded male. On the other hand if you hail from the sex penitentiary that I call home (otherwise known in atlases as the US of A), the threat of your outing them will ensure their own discretion.
Really, don't see anything to worry about. I first learned about FKK's from a German business partner of mine. At first, I didn't believe him and had to overcome my own cultural barriers before I ventured forth to visit. After I finally discovered FKK joys, and was amazed by what I had discovered, I invited him for an FKK night out, and we went together to his favorite club, Atlantis, where I paid his entry and sessions fees as thanks. We've continued doing business together ever since, and at one point I was even his superior.
Your alternative to the "open" FKK clubs is to go to a bordello. There are lots of them in the Cologne/Dusseldorf area. In fact, the local edition of the Bild will have a whole page of advertisements for these houses. One of the best is off the A52 highway which runs between Cologne and Bonn, Traum Paradies in Spich. Nice rooms, good service, and very discrete. Oh, and because this seems important to you, very upscale.
They will not buzz you in unless the entry way is free of other customers and let you out of a side door when you're done. There's usually 10-15 women on duty at any given time, and while they may not be the top model type lookers like you would find at the big FKK/sauna clubs, most are very attractive and attentive. In the privacy of a room, they will parade in to say hello and their name, and you get to choose which of the available women you would like to spend time with. Most of the other private houses will work the same way.
Njoy and report...
Peter Shaww
09-17-08, 16:48
Thanks Jackyo, I'm very interested in the "relationship-oriented" local clubs (like Bernds) you mentioned, can you recommed a few more.
The first few days, I'll try the tourist clubs, then once I know how it works I think I prefer to be off the beaten path.
Also, Iseeu mentioned about bordellos (I didn't know about bordellos until reading Iseeu's post), what is your view on bordellos vs. FKK clubs?
Since the FKK and Sauna clubs are all open, I am a bit worried about running into friends/business associates.
I am going to a large trade show, and a lot of my fellow businesses will be in the same town at the same time.
Any advice?
First of all, Frankfurt is not where the best clubs are. Oase might traditionally be the best and biggest club, but Palace and world are not nearly as consistent...not by a long shot.
Düsseldorf area clubs like Planet Happy Garden, Goldentime, Living Room, Samya, Via Vertigo are consistent and good to ver good.
Bernds isn't really the place to be during a trade fair, as it takes almost an hour to get there from Düsseldorf, and it is in the middle of nowhere, easy to get lost, closes early and is not open on the weekend.
But for what you are looking for, I would advise Tramparadies. The full address is Biberweg 13 in Troisdorf Spicht....navigation sstems have no trouble finding it. You cna look at the hoepage and ask them about which girls are working on that ay, because sometimes top girls are booked in advance.
You never see another customer, ever. they are very careful about that. They have some very pretty girls. I can recommend Nadia (formerly the woman behind the counter at wildenrath), Valeria, Lizzi and Vicki. The price there is also reasonabe with a 45 minute session costing 100€, whcih includes the entrance fee. IT is more the sort fo place to go for one session and leave, and not really for multiple sessions with multiple rooms. I have booked 2 seperate apointments after each other there, and they sort of looked at me like a sex maniac.
Just enjoying the conversation between the two Peters. On this site, that resonates.
So, Peter-the-senior: How I wish I could develop a regular business connection in Germany. Were I the business development associate for our opportunity, I would be desperate to rig it as much in favor of this deal as possible. Unfortunately, of the three people from that group on our team, two of them are female. One of the downsides (in this sense) of modern business, and not just in the USA. Actually, some of the females I know at work would be cool with the idea. I think!. But it's too risky to mention.
As Iseeu also implies, I would also be very careful about which males in our group I'd share knowledge of the FKK experience. Would have to know them awfully well, and even then it would have to be a closed group.
To Peter-the-regular: On the other hand, I share the perspective of all the experienced guys on this thread. If you see a colleague at a FKK, well, what are they there for? To enforce proper behavior and report deviants to the collective? I don't think so.
So no worries. At home I don't feel nearly as vulnerable meeting my lady friends in a strip club, but I'd never be seen with a group of beautiful women in a "legitimate" place such as a restaurant. In the club, anyone who might recognize me would probably think the talent is schmoozing me just like all the other customers (including them), how would they know that my friend is there to help me pick up some of the talent for further talent development?
Based on their website, I'd actually like to go to Traumparadies myself sometime, but for Peter and anyone else out there considering it, I do have to recommend the FKK experience. It's another dimension.
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Thanks Jackyo, I'm very interested in the "relationship-oriented" local clubs (like Bernds) you mentioned, can you recommed a few more.
The first few days, I'll try the tourist clubs, then once I know how it works I think I prefer to be off the beaten path.
Also, Iseeu mentioned about bordellos (I didn't know about bordellos until reading Iseeu's post), what is your view on bordellos vs. FKK clubs?
Iseeu and Peter know of what they speak.
TP is a bordello. Its not a place to hang out. You enter, they do a lineup, you pick who you want to be with, you retire to a room and then you leave after you do the nasty deed. You don't hang out as you would at an FKK club.
One bordello I'd be curious to learn more about is Agentur Caro. Go find the website. The selection looks to be outstanding and the posts on the RF about it are all intriguing.
The bordello scene in NRW isn't as well developed as it is in Berlin. Go check out the Berlin thread and find the priceless posts by Angus. He is our resident Berlinmeister and there its mostly about bordellos or what they call Wohungspuffs.
The more off the beaten path you go, the better your German language skills need to be. You will get by anywhere you go being a monolingual English speaker but if you want 100% participation in everything going on around you, it is essential.
Part of hanging out at a smaller club is participating in the banter between guests, staff and girls. Its a cool way to pass the time - if you can participate at all. Creating a "relationship" at a club is sitting around and shooting the breeze.
Do the "on the beaten path" clubs first.
Bernds is probably a little too hardcore for a newbie.
I want the "Teenimaus".
Nice site. Their descriptions push my buttons.
Peter Shaww
09-19-08, 02:08
Thanks for the detailed explanation Jackyo. Now I understand a lot better. I'm only English speaker, so will stay on standard path.
I'll try to check out Agentur Caro, and post my experience there after.
Since I'm going to the clubs, I'm thinking about trying new experiences, such as two girls together, anal, CIM, etc. How and when should I ask? And if they sense I'm new, will they give me a very high price?
to be honest, I have never gone for these extras at Traumparadies or other bordellos, as I think maybe there are higher upcharges.
The prices at FKK clubs are more standardized, with 2 girls costing 50€ for the first half hour for each girl, and if you want a lesbo show there is the light version for 25€ per girl and the more intense version for 50€.
CIM and Anal also have pretty stable prices, but it definitely is not on the menu for every girl. I find at some FKK's there are incredibly few girls who are allow anal, and I don't have a big penis.
If you want anything that is other than the standard BBBJ and covered FS, then ask the girl prior to deciding to go to a room. Most girls have a double team partner they like to work with. In my experience most 2 girl sessions are a waste of money, and the girls like it because it means each girl has half as much work to do, but there are rare occasions where it can be good.
If you are in one of the bordellos ask for the price, and ask which girls offer which service. In some fo the smaller FKK's you can ask the people at the front desk for girls who do anal or such....because I am feeling only about 20% of girls do anal, and only about 60% do CIM. I would say 90% would do a double team.
Italy 1974
09-19-08, 20:46
As a regular customer of Traum Paradies I find the management very concerned about the privacy issue.
As other senior members have already pointed out, you will not be admitted inside the club if there is another customer in the hall. And when it's time to leave they do the same.
Moreover if you call them when you are on your way to Traum Paradies, they will open for you their private garage to park your car. You never know who may pass by.
As for the girls, I strongly reccomend the very young Lizzy, the black Naomi (1st class service) and Lulu.
Hope it may help.
Italy 1974
Thanks for the detailed explanation Jackyo. Now I understand a lot better. I'm only English speaker, so will stay on standard path.
I'll try to check out Agentur Caro, and post my experience there after.
Since I'm going to the clubs, I'm thinking about trying new experiences, such as two girls together, anal, CIM, etc. How and when should I ask? And if they sense I'm new, will they give me a very high price?
.. so I can't comment on them.
Doing two girls at once is overrated.
Teen aged girls are overrated too.
I have made my views known on BJs so CIM is never on my menu.
As to why I would do anal, someone has to explain why that is anything desirable. I can't stand the smell when I do her from behind and she hasn't washed properly so its highly unlikely I will ever put it in her there where the smell comes from. It smells godawful down there.
You should ask during the "checking chemistry" phase, d. h. when you are having a conversation with her. These extras usually come with standard pricing.
If you visit Samya there is a list at the front door saying what each girl will charge for which extra. They are about as clear and unambiguous as one can be in this business, hence my recommendation for starting an FKK career there.
If you visit a club with sharks and they smell blood in the water (d. h. they sense you are a newbie and you are unsure of yourself and how things go), they will take advantage of you, quote you non-standard pricing, etc..
If you visit a club which has a good reputation which it doesn't want tarnished by unfair business practices, you will not have a problem.
Now which clubs would those be?
Italy 1974
09-20-08, 11:08
Thanks for the detailed explanation Jackyo. Now I understand a lot better. I'm only English speaker, so will stay on standard path.
I'll try to check out Agentur Caro, and post my experience there after.
Since I'm going to the clubs, I'm thinking about trying new experiences, such as two girls together, anal, CIM, etc. How and when should I ask? And if they sense I'm new, will they give me a very high price?I also think that taking two girls togheter is a waste of money as they never perfom as expected unless they are really bisex; but this is very unlikely.
The only good experiences I had with double-teams were in Thailand and Brazil but that's another story...
As for the anal, in any FKK there are some girls offering this service: by hearth (and personal experience...) I can say Jenny at Bernd's, Sandra from Hungary at Living Room and Tina (I think from Germany) at Ying Yang. Just ask!
Regarding the CIM issue, in my experience 50% of the girls are keen to that; once again: just ask in advance, no need to be shy.
At Bernd's CIM is included in the 50 Euro half-an-hour fee!
Italy 1974
In a high volume FKK, time is money for the girls, meaning time spent cleansing might be reduced for some girls. (Based on empirical tasting.)
If I taste soap during DATY then at least I know she cleansed. Not that it is a pleasant taste. Never licked my own crotch so cannot really say what it takes to remove the taste of soap.
Worse is to taste lubricant or latex.... Best, I guess, is no taste at all.
Is it prudent to make remark about the taste? Any thoughts?
At Bernd's CIM is included in the 50 Euro half-an-hour fee!
Italy 1974
to be clear....it is included only IF the girl offers it at Bernd'S and while most girls there do, there are some who don't.
Generally club standard at most clubs is considered kissing, BBBJ and covered vaginal sex in multiple positions. That is all you can assume that a woman offers. If she doesn't offer that (some don't kiss) then she should inform you before you go to the room and give you a chance to backout if that is important for you.
Other services that they offer or don't is not somehting they actively advertise, it is more for you to ask if you want anything special.
Italy 1974
09-21-08, 19:25
to be clear....it is included only IF the girl offers it at Bernd'S and while most girls there do, there are some who don't.
Generally club standard at most clubs is considered kissing, BBBJ and covered vaginal sex in multiple positions. That is all you can assume that a woman offers. If she doesn't offer that (some don't kiss) then she should inform you before you go to the room and give you a chance to backout if that is important for you.
Other services that they offer or don't is not somehting they actively advertise, it is more for you to ask if you want anything special.I think that almost every girl at Bernd's allows CIM. I may be wrong but just 4 or 5 girls do not perform CIM.
In any case it's always a good idea to ask in advance.
I notice some visitors to FKK clubs and PartyTreffs use Viagra or Cialis to enhance/prolong the experience.
Is it actually feasible then to partake of the alcohol provided in the clubs (eg beer) or is it non-advisable or even dangerous to mix with one of the stimulants mentioned above?
(Cross-posted in PartyTreff branch).
Warsteiner
09-22-08, 17:58
I notice some visitors to FKK clubs and PartyTreffs use Viagra or Cialis to enhance/prolong the experience.
Is it actually feasible then to partake of the alcohol provided in the clubs (eg beer) or is it non-advisable or even dangerous to mix with one of the stimulants mentioned above?
(Cross-posted in PartyTreff branch).
Medical advice would be not to consume alcohol when using any type of medication so I would not drink if using Viagra/Cialis. Also people take these drugs in order to get/keep an erection and one sure way of stopping this is to drink alcohol so definitely not recommended.
I think that almost every girl at Bernd's allows CIM. I may be wrong but just 4 or 5 girls do not perform CIM.
In any case it's always a good idea to ask in advance.
I have probably been with all of the Hof Regular SP over the last 3 years and have yet to find one that does not do CIM. I haven't done it with all of them, but also have not heard of any that didn't. It would be hard for her to stay a regular gig there if she didn't, since all of the regualr customers have come to expect it as part of the standard service.
Italy 1974
09-23-08, 12:02
I have probably been with all of the Hof Regular SP over the last 3 years and have yet to find one that does not do CIM. I haven't done it with all of them, but also have not heard of any that didn't. It would be hard for her to stay a regular gig there if she didn't, since all of the regualr customers have come to expect it as part of the standard service.I don't have (unfortunately) a so vast experience at Bernd's. But in my 25 visits (or so) there I have never been refused CIM by any girl.
Now I do not even mind do ask if they do CIM ad, as you wrote, I expect it as part of the standard sevice.
My answer is to Peter who wrote "to be clear....it is included only IF the girl offers it at Bernd'S and while most girls there do, there are some who don't".
Since I have heard in the past (from some reliable customers) that few girl do not allow CIM, I reported it.
Still virtually any girl at Bernd's perform CIM.
Italy 1974
not to make this the Bernd's thread....
but the small turkish girl who has been working at bernds for at least a year and a half doesn't offer CIM, and I have run into another girl there, who doesn't work there anymore, who didn't offer it either.
Italy 1974
09-23-08, 23:13
not to make this the Bernd's thread....
but the small turkish girl who has been working at bernds for at least a year and a half doesn't offer CIM, and I have run into another girl there, who doesn't work there anymore, who didn't offer it either.As I wrote some girls at Bernd's don't offer CIM.
But they are a small minority as almost every girl does it.
Italy 1974
CBGBConnisur
09-24-08, 17:30
Asian guys raving about German FKK clubs:
http://www.********forum.com/international-field-reports-new/74697-fkk-clubs-germany-rocks-3.html
Hi,
What is the general experiences of extra's offered and costs?
I've spent most of my FKK'ing in the "big 3" (mainly due to more English being spoken), but am also aware that these 3 charge for everything, while others might not. i.e:
- CIM €50
- Anal €100
Where is a better deal offered?
Also, what about the in betweens with Anal, such as fingering in the ass, rimming etc? (havent done it to date because scared of being hit with a bill at the end:)
I believe 'The Hof' is one with a better deal? can someone elaborate? I've been there but never taken advantage.
Thanks
Eduardo Corrochi
09-25-08, 18:01
Hello everyone,
1) I was wondering if anyone had information about what cheap places to stay in Frankfurt. I'm going there the second week in october and have not made any reservation for any place, reason being, I really don't wanna spend so much money in accomodations. Also, if you advise how to get to that (those) places from the airport, that would be great.
2) I'm planning to visit some FKK clubs while Im there. And Im interested in going to Pauschalclubs and Partytreffs. Any information about how they work and where to find the good ones will be appreciated.
Thanks!
Warsteiner
09-25-08, 18:45
Hi,
What is the general experiences of extra's offered and costs?
I've spent most of my FKK'ing in the "big 3" (mainly due to more English being spoken), but am also aware that these 3 charge for everything, while others might not. i.e:
- CIM €50
- Anal €100
Where is a better deal offered?
Also, what about the in betweens with Anal, such as fingering in the ass, rimming etc? (havent done it to date because scared of being hit with a bill at the end:)
I believe 'The Hof' is one with a better deal? can someone elaborate? I've been there but never taken advantage.
Thanks
I haven't been to 'The Hof' but according to reports if the girl offers CIM (99% do) then it is free. In NRW CIM is normally €25 and anal €50 so they are half the price of the 'big 3' clubs and well worth checking out.
I've done rimming and finger in ass with girls who enjoy this and not been charged for any extras but it's always worth checking.
The sessions in NRW are normally cheaper as well with 1 hour being €75 (€50+€25) rather than €100 although one or two girls at GT do charge €50 per 30 mins.
the only club I have ever been charged for rimming a girl is cocoon, and I found that strange.
as warsteiner said the extras are about half the price in the clubs in NRW. At Hof CIM is included if the girl offers it, and anal if she offers is 50€ extra.
I think fingering her ass is someting different than rimming, as it is more invasive, and I would expect that she would charge extra for it, or just tell you she is not into it..
I hate anering questions about the pricing, because the intensity with which different men pursue different practices varies a lot...ad a girl who might take 50€ for me to do 5 minutes of anal with my relatively small penis might charge another guy a lot more who pounds her with a giat cock for 29 of 30 minutes....
So I think as men we should always pay a fair price for the service we are getting, as we would expect the woen to be offering us a fair service as well....
http://www.fkk-hawai.de/index.php
And another one. Starting 17.10.2008.
Quite a big one by the look of things. Entry EUR 65.
If it takes off, it could be an alternative to CoLa in Augsburg for those stuck in Munich. It's about the same distance. But it is Bavarian :-( with the kniown restrictions no doubt.
Hello everyone,
1) I was wondering if anyone had information about what cheap places to stay in Frankfurt. I'm going there the second week in october and have not made any reservation for any place, reason being, I really don't wanna spend so much money in accomodations. Also, if you advise how to get to that (those) places from the airport, that would be great.
2) I'm planning to visit some FKK clubs while Im there. And Im interested in going to Pauschalclubs and Partytreffs. Any information about how they work and where to find the good ones will be appreciated.
Thanks!
... a silver platter? Its all here. You need to take the initiative.
1) Look up a post by Rufus T Firefly under the Frankfurt forum. He has an excellent list of cheap accomodations in FRA.
2) The Partytreff forum is chockablock full of discussions on the best Pauschalclubs.
Ask a detailed question and you will get an answer. These general questions reveal you aren't willing to do any work on your own.
The Bavarian
Hygiene-Verordnung (http://www.gapinfo.de/gesundheitsamt/alle/gesetz/seuche/hyv/dv.htm), which at clause 6 enforces prostitutes to use condoms for sexual activities, use the term "Geschlechtsverkehr". What does this term includes exactly: HJ? BJ? DATY (female condoms are marketed)? I see a phrase from this guide for prostitutes in Munich (http://www.muenchen.de/cms/prod1/mde/_de/rubriken/Rathaus/50_kvr/ordnung/sperrbezirk/pdf/prostitutionsbroschuere.pdf) often mentioned, where it states that the term "Geschlechtsverkehr" applies also to oral sex. Is this an interpretation or a mandatory advice?
Anyone have experience flying ryanair? Was looking into the possibility of flying to another destination while in Europe, but it looks like ryan air only flies out of the smaller airports. Any suggestions/airlines one should look at that fly out of Frankfurts main airport that are low budget? Any website suggestions to search for low airfare's in Europe?
There are no better alternatives than Ryanair. They treat you like a bunch of cattle, but charge for a flight is also close to zero.
My last Sweden - Frankfurt Hahn return ticket cost me 20 Eurocent! This gives quite a lot of money left for more important things. There are some advices. Never check in luggage (cost a lot), always use Visa Electron for payment (free of charge, otherwise 3 Euro per one way trip), book as much as you can when they have promotion (and they have promotions all the time, just wait for the best = 0.01 Euro taxes and charges included). If you use the tickets or not is not a big thing at that pricing. I have booked 70 trips to Germany from now until Feb 08. At least two alternatives every week. Total damage 7 Euro.
Anyone have experience flying ryanair? Was looking into the possibility of flying to another destination while in Europe, but it looks like ryan air only flies out of the smaller airports. Any suggestions/airlines one should look at that fly out of Frankfurts main airport that are low budget? Any website suggestions to search for low airfare's in Europe?
Yeah, the "main" airport thing is the problem. Ryan Air flies only out of Frankfurt Hahn, which is 100 miles or so away. But there is always sixti.com for a cheap rental car, too.
Yeah, the "main" airport thing is the problem. Ryan Air flies only out of Frankfurt Hahn, which is 100 miles or so away. But there is always sixti.com for a cheap rental car, too.
Add about 200 miles for round trip. Assume car gets 25mpg (8 gallons) at 9 dollars a gallon and you instantly add 72 dollars to the trip without even adding the drive time. No such a great bargain after all.
The Bavarian
Hygiene-Verordnung (http://www.gapinfo.de/gesundheitsamt/alle/gesetz/seuche/hyv/dv.htm), which at clause 6 enforces prostitutes to use condoms for sexual activities, use the term "Geschlechtsverkehr". What does this term includes exactly: HJ? BJ? DATY (female condoms are marketed)? I see a phrase from this guide for prostitutes in Munich (http://www.muenchen.de/cms/prod1/mde/_de/rubriken/Rathaus/50_kvr/ordnung/sperrbezirk/pdf/prostitutionsbroschuere.pdf) often mentioned, where it states that the term "Geschlechtsverkehr" applies also to oral sex. Is this an interpretation or a mandatory advice?I haven't been to CoLa in Augsburg since the "rules" changed. But official club policy is that BBBJ is not allowed. The club has no choice in this matter, it seems.
What happens on the mattress, I do not know.
The Bavarian
Hygiene-Verordnung (http://www.gapinfo.de/gesundheitsamt/alle/gesetz/seuche/hyv/dv.htm), which at clause 6 enforces prostitutes to use condoms for sexual activities, use the term "Geschlechtsverkehr". What does this term includes exactly: HJ? BJ? DATY (female condoms are marketed)? I see a phrase from this guide for prostitutes in Munich (http://www.muenchen.de/cms/prod1/mde/_de/rubriken/Rathaus/50_kvr/ordnung/sperrbezirk/pdf/prostitutionsbroschuere.pdf) often mentioned, where it states that the term "Geschlechtsverkehr" applies also to oral sex. Is this an interpretation or a mandatory advice?
As you have noted, the critical word in the section on prostitution is Geschlechtsverkehr.
Kondomzwang bei Prostituierten
Weibliche und männliche Prostituierte und deren Kunden sind verpflichtet, beim Geschlechtsverkehr, Kondome zu verwenden.
In other words, condoms are required during Geschlechtsverkehr or GV.
The strict interpretation of GV is intercourse. The question you have rightly asked (and one I ask myself) is whether this includes other forms of contact.
Mind you this Ordnung also mentions contact that doctors, dentists, manicurists, tatoo artists, usw. may have with their patients/clients.
The second document though has a section which effectively defines what GV includes and it does say specifically that OV or Oralverkehr is included.
Oralverkehr gehört zum Geschlechtsverkehr und kann ungeschützt z.B. auch Hepatitis und
Syphilis übertragen.
BBBJ is streng Verboten in Bayern and a CDL is subject to fines if she is caught performing it. This isn't a recommendation but rather a Vorschrift with fines which are assessed for Ordnungswidrig activities.
Sounds like this includes Freier going down on the women too. (One of my favorite activites, by the way. Rats! One more reason to avoid Bayern except for the usual things one can do in that neck of the woods such as enjoy the Bier.)
Warsteiner
09-29-08, 18:00
Add about 200 miles for round trip. Assume car gets 25mpg (8 gallons) at 9 dollars a gallon and you instantly add 72 dollars to the trip without even adding the drive time. No such a great bargain after all.
25 mpg in the US maybe but here in Europe unless your driving a Porsche you're going to be getting 35-40mpg, which is about 8 miles to the litre. According to the routeplanner (viaMichellin) it is about 160 miles round trip so that is 20 litres at €1.40 per litre it will work out at €28 or about $40. If you get a diesel car then fuel is cheaper (€1.30) and you will get more mileage. So if you get a cheap Ryan Air flight for less than €1 (as Polar and other members do) you could easily do the complete trip (without Hotel) for €30.
25 mpg in the US maybe but here in Europe unless your driving a Porsche you're going to be getting 35-40mpg, which is about 8 miles to the litre. According to the routeplanner (viaMichellin) it is about 160 miles round trip so that is 20 litres at €1.40 per litre it will work out at €28 or about $40. If you get a diesel car then fuel is cheaper (€1.30) and you will get more mileage. So if you get a cheap Ryan Air flight for less than €1 (as Polar and other members do) you could easily do the complete trip (without Hotel) for €30. You are not gonna get 35-40mpg unless you're driving like an old lady. With a hardon on the way to FKK I think Aki has the right consumption figured out ;-)
you are not gonna get 35-40mpg unless you're driving like an old lady. with a hardon on the way to fkk i think aki has the right consumption figured out ;-)
didnt get the james bond feature's this time, but my little nissan micra car had just enough car (but really lacked any engine power) to get me around germany.
quoted from a test drive article : despite a relatively high continental cruising speed, the average of 54.3mpg was impressive. on its usual city trips in london, economy often creeps above 60mpg, making the overall consumption a penny-pinching 58.7mpg.
i drove from dusseldorf to goldentime...then all the way down to oase...then up to world...then it hit 1/4 tank...and i was doing extra driving besides just going from point a to point b. had no problem cruising at 140kph either.
Hello everyone,
1) I was wondering if anyone had information about what cheap places to stay in Frankfurt. I'm going there the second week in october and have not made any reservation for any place, reason being, I really don't wanna spend so much money in accomodations. Also, if you advise how to get to that (those) places from the airport, that would be great.
2) I'm planning to visit some FKK clubs while Im there. And Im interested in going to Pauschalclubs and Partytreffs. Any information about how they work and where to find the good ones will be appreciated.
Thanks!
Check www.hrs.de. You will find accomodations starting with really low fares.
As a regular customer of Traum Paradies I find the management very concerned about the privacy issue.
As other senior members have already pointed out, you will not be admitted inside the club if there is another customer in the hall. And when it's time to leave they do the same.
Moreover if you call them when you are on your way to Traum Paradies, they will open for you their private garage to park your car. You never know who may pass by.
As for the girls, I strongly reccomend the very young Lizzy, the black Naomi (1st class service) and Lulu.
Hope it may help.
Italy 1974
I want also to add, that it's the only club I visited and after each session, I was asked if I liked it and what I think about the service of the girl!
Very interesting club!
Hessen Bub
10-21-08, 10:00
I want also to add, that it's the only club
I just want to add that Traumparadies is not a club in the way we refer to FKK- or Sauna Clubs in this board. It's more or less a "Wohnungspuff", that means an apartment with several rooms and several girls, but you do not mix with other clients, you don't spend the whole day there enjoying spa facilities and naked girls.
HB
(I am linking this post also in the Cialis and Viagra Forum.)
After my latest tour in Fuckland, which I am going to report in detail, I am posing to you the following considerations, hoping to receive some feedback, comments and advises from you fellows, confronting your experience with mine.
I need to recall some data on me to introduce the argument: I am 52 (almost 53), thus no more at the peak of my sexual power, however still quite in good shape. A no smoker and no drinker, except for a glass of red vine during meals (which is however now accounted for positive cardiovascular effects), a moderate eater attentive to food quality, a prevalent sedentary life in face of a computer screen, but also some time dedicated to physical activities, including swimming and jogging.
Blood pressure is in the norm (was tendentially lower than average when I was younger).
Unfortunately I am subject to rare but insidious arrhythmic hearth crises, something however that I can control with appropriate treatment and, according to the doctors that visited me, is not incompatible with intense sexual activity and the assumption of PE.
Thus I would leave this out the topic of this post, even if heavy stress conditions seem to favor them, and a sexual tour of several days is such a condition! I thus should limit the endurance of my tours in the future.
Also because of the following considerations.
The first time I visited an FKK was Palace, on Feb. 2007. I was so excited that I could make 4 girls, with sessions up to 40’. The day after at Oase I had just one session (for lack of “inspiration”). After a one day pause I went to Palace again and I made 5 girls, including a 1h session, for a total of 3hs sex, where I had problems in maintaining a strong erection only once, all this without help! I think not bad for a man already in his 50’s. Could it have been the effect of novelty and of a relatively long period of abstinence before that tour?
After some other experiences, I realized however that my recovery time has got too long to be compatible with a standard 1h session. According to my experience the best fuck is the second of the day, after I came once, releasing from load and pressure, but still full of desire and energy. If possible I tend thus to make a 1h session with a girl I like a lot to take this opportunity, something however impossible with a recovery time of 20-40’.
It’s so that I decided to try Cialis during my tour of August/September 2007.
My first experience with C was quite positive, like putting back the clock 20 years!
With the help of the yellow pill the recovery time reduced to 5-10’ (!), erections were hard and I could maintain them for as long as I wanted without problems. After I come once it’s usually much easier to control a 2nd or a 3rd ejaculation, so that I can normally last for a very long time (this I think should be quite common), but I realized that under the effect of the drug it was even more difficult, at the point that I could have 1h sessions or 2 sessions rock hard, before being able to come another time (this also suggested me the nick I am using :). As this has been reported by other of you using C or V, I think this should be ascribed as a collateral effect of PDE-5 inhibitors.
Anyway, I could make 9 girls in 5 days for a total of almost 9 hrs of hard sex!
During my 3rd tour, in December 2007, I experienced the first failures of the pills. In 2 occasions the pill left me on the ground, failing to procure me strong erections. The first case was after I already came once, during a 1h session. The second, after a 30’ fuck, we took a pause and later I was no more able to regain an erection strong enough to continue fucking the girl.
I realized that, in any case, I couldn’t go too far, particularly if physical and/or mental conditions are not at best. I realized also the importance of creating or exploiting a really exciting atmosphere to prepare at best the following act.
My 4th tour was on July this year, and was an 8 days marathon! I was in quite good shape and coming from a long abstinence again, so I was eager for pussy and really stayed in the game for most of the time.
I had any problem for the first 4 days, however I “limited” myself to an average of 2 girls a day, the 1st day without help, but with at least one long session.
I took 2 days off, then a good reprise with 4 girls at a PT and a “grand final” at Oase with again 4 girls but with at least 2 better and longer sessions. However this last day I had to register two half-failures, as in two of the less satisfying sessions I lost my erection ahead of time. The 1st time I was able to regain it, just in order to be finished with an HJ, the 2nd time only a BJ helped, but the erection was not strong enough to fuck the girl again and she was unable to make me come. Luckily, after 2-3 hours, I was able to end the tour with another good session, but in any case the limits of the pill showed up.
Now I am just back from my 5th tour. A 6 days tour in NRW.
I would say a below average tour. Am I getting tired of the game, or was it simply a physiological low?
In 2 days out of 6 I didn’t find the right inspiration to do any session (at VV and YY)!
This may also have determined a depressing mood which may have influenced the following days.
The 1st day, at Villa Emmanuelle, I had, without help, 2 average sessions and one good extended session (although with a certain effort).
Later on it turned out I visited GT 3 times in alternate days. There I had at least 3 good sessions (2 of which extended), 2 bad sessions for bad attitude of the girls, but also 2 bad sessions with two of my favorite girls (!) because I was not able to get or maintain a strong enough erection for enough time!
However this happened in the latest days of my tour, and it was worse the last day. In fact the failure occurred during my first session of the day, which I planned to be an extended session, but after I came once my crazy mate didn’t give any sign of life anymore.
In conclusion:
1) Should I worry for what happened or should I consider this normal?
2) What countermeasures should I take?
One thing could be that I should limit my future tours to at most 4 days, better with one day off before the last day, because then fatigue, both physical and mental, starts to exert its effect, no matter if you take C or V, perhaps even in high dose.
For what concerns dosage it’s also true that I am using the minimal of 10 mg, so I may consider upgrading to the 20 mg pills, however, considering that the half-life of tadalafil is 36 hrs and that I took one pill a day for 3 consecutive days, the 3rd day I had in my blood approximately the equivalent concentration after taking a 20 mg pill, nevertheless I experienced a failure, but it was also the 3rd session of the day after I came once in the session.
Another possibility is that there is a sort of addiction to the drug, however I am not using C a part in these tours, thus it seems to me an insufficient time to develop an hypothetical addiction.
Finally I can consider switching to Viagra or Levitra. I may have a stronger reaction to this drugs, however I am fortunate I didn’t experience any serious collateral effects with C, so I am somewhat worried of experimenting another drug. C may give you muscle pain, but V or L can give you altered or impaired vision, which for me is much more scary!
Also the much shorter duration is a concern.
Moreover the mechanism of action of the 3 drugs is very similar, and most men report similar effects. The only big difference, as far as I know, seems to be the duration of efficacy, which for C is 6 times longer!
It would be interesting to read from whom of you have experimented with the 3 drugs.
Does anyone know what happened to the French forum? I am unable to access it, and yesterday was the same.
Does anyone know what happened to the French forum? I am unable to access it, and yesterday was the same.
It has had periods when its been down but otherwise it is still around.
I just tried just now though and the page which comes up says: "Forbidden".
There is also something about not having access to the server.
Strange! Bizarre!
Can someone provide me with some websites that allow you to reserve a car in euro's? I keep running into websites that want to quote me in usd's.
It has had periods when its been down but otherwise it is still around.
I just tried just now though and the page which comes up says: "Forbidden".
There is also something about not having access to the server.
Strange! Bizarre!
The same happens to me, so it should be really down.
P.S. Jackyo, any comments about my previous post on performance and PE? Your opinion would be greatly appreciated :)
Can someone provide me with some websites that allow you to reserve a car in euro's? I keep running into websites that want to quote me in usd's.
Just about any one will give you a Euro quote. Hertz, Europcar, Avis, Sixt. All will give you euro quotes. Trick is to enter your country of residence as D'land.
You also might do well to check the following sites:
https://www.economycarrentals.com/
http://www.mietwagenmarkt.de/
http://www.weekrent.com/deutschland/autovermietung/rentalcar.php
Cheers,
Dedalus
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I willbe in Hessen in mid November. I plan to visit eithr PT or FKK on Sunday, is that a good day or is Saturday better?
I read somewhere that the preferred days are Mon thru THursday, less crowded
P.S. Jackyo, any comments about my previous post on performance and PE? Your opinion would be greatly appreciated :)
You spent a bit of time thinking this through and I think my reply necessarily requires that I spend some time thinking about it also.
I too wonder what it is that motivates me to sometimes have very strong performances and other times not so. Its not all driven by performance enhancers either.
I'll be back.
First of all, thank you for a well thought through post. Sorry to say I cannot help you with your pharmaceutical questions due to lack of knowledge. On the other hand, maybe I can make you change your whole mindset about performance?
From my point of view, I honestly do not see why you began using PE? You can, or at least last year you could, fuck several girls in a day. From what I read the following might be the reason.
I realized however that my recovery time has got too long to be compatible with a standard 1h sessionWith respect to sex we are all different, but I guess you are trying to say that in 1h you fuck and cum, take a short break and then fuck some more with or without cum. And that is the optimal way to go about .Correct? I used to do that too when I was younger. But eventually I realised it is better to fuck the full hour! IMHO the sensation of almost cuming during an extended period is far better than anything else in life, so I stick to that once I have found a girl that qualify. Needless to say there must be some mutual attraction, otherwise she will get annoyed after five minutes of pumping. I am sort of high-maintenance for the girls;-) Sure I do ½ hour sessions and even 5 minute sessions, but once I have found my type of girl I book her for longer time. If I cum after 31 minutes i can still have 29 remaining minutes of fun with such a girl.
How to be able to fuck longer time? You might have to change your fucking style and pace. Probably good to exercise the pubococcygeus muscle ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pubococcygeus_muscle ) as well. Scotch would work fine too was it not for the desensitising..
About the 6-8 day marathons. As you have already realised, why not do a shorter but more intense (and perhaps drug free) tour? An 8 day tour can, for lack of better word, get outright boring if the only thing you do is fucking!
When I was doing outcalls mainly in Canada, I really had to rely on them...much more so than when I was doing a trip to Germany. Girl knocks on your door and you've got a few minutes of chit chat in street clothes to figure out if you can get it up or not...then she takes off her clothes and you thank god you took that blue pill.
Not so in Germany. You've got plenty of time to size up who you want to see. But your still spending good money and don't want to risk not getting any action out of your cash, so you take small doses instead of the entire pill. This also helps when you start getting tired later in the day. The amount im refering too is around 1/6th the normal dose, just enough 'insurance' so to speak.
First of all, thank you for a well thought through post. Sorry to say I cannot help you with your pharmaceutical questions due to lack of knowledge. On the other hand, maybe I can make you change your whole mindset about performance?
From my point of view, I honestly do not see why you began using PE? You can, or at least last year you could, fuck several girls in a day. From what I read the following might be the reason. With respect to sex we are all different, but I guess you are trying to say that in 1h you fuck and cum, take a short break and then fuck some more with or without cum. And that is the optimal way to go about .Correct? I used to do that too when I was younger. But eventually I realised it is better to fuck the full hour! IMHO the sensation of almost cuming during an extended period is far better than anything else in life, so I stick to that once I have found a girl that qualify. Needless to say there must be some mutual attraction, otherwise she will get annoyed after five minutes of pumping. I am sort of high-maintenance for the girls;-) Sure I do ½ hour sessions and even 5 minute sessions, but once I have found my type of girl I book her for longer time. If I cum after 31 minutes i can still have 29 remaining minutes of fun with such a girl.
How to be able to fuck longer time? You might have to change your fucking style and pace. Probably good to exercise the pubococcygeus muscle ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pubococcygeus_muscle ) as well. Scotch would work fine too was it not for the desensitising..
About the 6-8 day marathons. As you have already realised, why not do a shorter but more intense (and perhaps drug free) tour? An 8 day tour can, for lack of better word, get outright boring if the only thing you do is fucking!
Everhard would you allow me to come sometimes?
No, thank you, but it’s curios that you gave me counseling on how to last longer, after I wrote plenty of reports where I complain of not being able to come!
It’s not a case that I chose this nickname... I hope instead yours doesn’t correspond to reality. They say it’s painful after a few hours :)
Anyway, I cannot pretend that everybody read my reports.
However there is some truth in what you say. What you describe is a situation that I experience after a long period of abstinence and particularly for the first session of the day. I think however that this should be considered normal. Have you ever experienced a long abstinence? Would you last 1h or 2hs fucking, after, let’s say, 3 months that you don’t see a pussy? Even if you exercise?
Anyway, I don’t know why you said that we are all different because I substantially agree with your approach. However you probably have the luck of living there. In that case I would do the same as you, but believe me the perspective is completely different if you have to concentrate everything in a few days tour every several months.
In any case, your experience on the topic I introduced is interesting. I understood you don’t use PE, right?
Would you tell us something more on your typical performance?
It’s true that in my summary I reported also of relatively good performances without help. Why I didn’t continue without help? Because I realized that I wouldn’t be able to sustain those good performances in the long term. As I said, novelty, abstinence and particularly exciting conditions played a role, but this cannot be the norm. Moreover, when I go to those places, I regret of having only one cock :) so I strive to use the one I have at best.
That’s why I called for confronting our experiences, to learn from each other.
@Duralong
It is true I do not use PE but I know the well known side effect of not being able to cum. Drop the drugs and be able to cum was my assumption. And solution. How long would I last after some abstinence? There can be only one answer: How could I know? ;) I am not saying longer time is better. For me 1h is the optimal time when doing the p4p. The longest time I did was 2h nonstop with what you would describe as a semi pro. In fact I was quite content after 1h, but, like you, I just could not cum. So simply had to fuck until I reached an orgasm with this particular girl (quite enthusiastic I might add). More info about my performance statistics in this old post for those interested.
Now for my questions to you. I still do not understand why you need PE.
It’s true that in my summary I reported also of relatively good performances without help. Why I didn’t continue without help? Because I realized that I wouldn’t be able to sustain those good performances in the long term. So what constitute good performance for you? Is it erection for a long time, or short period of recovery time, or many cums in a day? I tried to interpret what you wrote but cannot really tell.
Was I wrong in interpreting that a good 1h session for you is cum midway and then more sex? How else do I understand
If possible I tend thus to make a 1h session with a girl I like a lot to take this opportunity, something however impossible with a recovery time of 20-40’. If you have problems to cum (even without drugs as you write), just do the 1h session, right? If you meet this special girl as the first girl of the tour (=cum quickly) just do her again later if she is that special! Or do an average girl as the first girl of every tour.
My reading comprehension perhaps low, but from how I interpret you had no problems until you started with the pills? I am no Einstein but.... please enlighten. I probably cannot help, but I am curious to why people turn to PE when there seems to be no reason except for novelty.
Ps. Is it the same sensation using PE? It just takes longer to cum, without any desensitisation whatsoever?
Vito Corleone
10-24-08, 23:53
I willbe in Hessen in mid November. I plan to visit eithr PT or FKK on Sunday, is that a good day or is Saturday better?
I read somewhere that the preferred days are Mon thru THursday, less crowded
Best time to visit an FKK is on Saturday between 5am-10am. Not as crowded & no line for rooms.
Warsteiner
10-25-08, 08:55
Best time to visit an FKK is on Saturday between 5am-10am. Not as crowded & no line for rooms.
You've got a cruel sense of humor Mr Corleone :)
I willbe in Hessen in mid November. I plan to visit eithr PT or FKK on Sunday, is that a good day or is Saturday better?
I read somewhere that the preferred days are Mon thru THursday, less crowded
I can say about the clubs in Hessen but those in NRW are less crowded on Sunday but there are also less girls. If you're going to visit Palace or Oase then there should still be plently of girls on Sunday to tempt you.
Have fune
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@Duralong
It is true I do not use PE but I know the well known side effect of not being able to cum. Drop the drugs and be able to cum was my assumption. And solution. How long would I last after some abstinence? There can be only one answer: How could I know? ;)
Ok, good for you.
I am not saying longer time is better. For me 1h is the optimal time when doing the p4p.
The longest time I did was 2h nonstop with what you would describe as a semi pro. In fact I was quite content after 1h, but, like you, I just could not cum. So simply had to fuck until I reached an orgasm with this particular girl (quite enthusiastic I might add).
I also remember a 2hs, nonstop, rock hard sex, but that was with a regular girlfriend (she also was enthusiastic :), and it happened nearly 20 years ago :(
In those years I also established my record of 7 cums in 24 hs, in a day practically devoted completely to fucking... but I am no more that guy and is useless recalling this... but it’s amusing :)
More info about my performance statistics in this old post for those interested.
Very interesting. We can benefit from a sound analysis of our “perforformance”, which doesn’t mean just measuring for how long or the number of times, but what are our sensations, in what circumstances it’s better or worse, etc.. Your old post offers lots of stimuli in this sense.
I must say that my experience confirms yours in a lot of aspects.
However there is a big difference between you and me: as far as I have understood you have a sexual activity on a regular basis, while for me unfortunately it’s not the norm.
Basically I am a solitary man, I find sometimes a girl/woman for a piece of road together but I am selective, I have few occasions, I work too much, and I am not George Clooney, so it’s not easy for me.
I also recurr to paid sex only as an emergency exit, so my performance are influenced a lot by this sporadic nature of my activity. I have peaks of activity and then may be some months of complete calm. Nevertheless, when I succeed to reach a steady state, after the transient state, I can experience the 4 “fucking modes” you described in your old post.
I found correct also your analysis on the various factors that influence the process.
The problem is how can we enter the best mode, more often or more easily? Is there something we can do?
Now for my questions to you. I still do not understand why you need PE. So what constitute good performance for you? Is it erection for a long time, or short period of recovery time, or many cums in a day? I tried to interpret what you wrote but cannot really tell.
All of these. Why not?
Was I wrong in interpreting that a good 1h session for you is cum midway and then more sex? How else do I understand If you have problems to cum (even without drugs as you write), just do the 1h session, right? If you meet this special girl as the first girl of the tour (=cum quickly) just do her again later if she is that special! Or do an average girl as the first girl of every tour.
I may agree with you that’s not perhaps the best way to use the hour, but recently in my tours I did this in several occasions:
a) book the hour, b) release brakes and cum relatively quickly (e.g. in 15’, 20’), c) regain erection after 5-10’ (thanks to the pill), d) fuck (worry free) till end of the hour, usually without coming. In some occasions I extended further to 1h ½, but I was not able to cum anyway. I never extended further to 2h as in all cases (after 1h ½) I was physically exhausted (it’s no more like I was in my 30’s).
My reading comprehension perhaps low, but from how I interpret you had no problems until you started with the pills? I am no Einstein but.... please enlighten. I probably cannot help, but I am curious to why people turn to PE when there seems to be no reason except for novelty.
The pill a) reduces recovery times, b) reduces (but not eliminates) the risk of loosing erection (for whatever reason) before you are done, c) gives more arrows at your arc (i.e. you can get more erections during the day, which you might use or not).
I must say that the sensation of having your penis responsive and full of blood again when you see a girl you like, even if you made sex just 2 hs before, and thus you know you can make her if you want, because your mate will support you, is great.
Ps. Is it the same sensation using PE? It just takes longer to cum, without any desensitisation whatsoever?
Looking better however I think there is something which goes lost. With the pill, being more difficult to cum, I never experienced that sensation that you build up after a long fuck and you feel your orgasm is approaching, but it's still somewhat far away, you seek it, you increase your pace and you feel this sensation growing, until you reach an orgasm that comes from deep inside you and leaves you breathless.
This kind of orgasm (you know what I am talking about, right?), the best you can get, I never experienced with the pill.
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I may agree with you that’s not perhaps the best way to use the hour, but recently in my tours I did this in several occasions:
a) book the hour, b) release brakes and cum relatively quickly (e.g. in 15’, 20’), c) regain erection after 5-10’ (thanks to the pill), d) fuck (worry free) till end of the hour, usually without coming.OK, that would mean my original assumption and ‘prescription’ still stands. Drop the cum early and fuck again after a pause-approach. Focus on using the full hour for sex. Maybe start slow and then increase pace in small steps. If I understand correct, this is also what many women prefer. At least those that are not in the game strictly for the money. Then the recovery time won’t be so much of an issue. Hence, less need for PE!
Recounting my year so far, I remember I actually did the fuck-pause-fuck again at least once. I almost never do more than ½h first time with a new girl. This girl was very friendly so I thought why not do her again right away. Occasionally I come across girls that have an incredible fit, genitally speaking. This girl was one of those as well. I have done her some more afterwards but I have real problems restraining myself. The fit is so good I always end up cumming faster than intended. I do agree that the first shot can be problematic. My advice is to either go with someone you recognise and you know will not milk you like a cow, or go with someone you just know will be unfriendly but somehow you cannot resister her looks, or do an average girl on your maybe list.
Looking better however I think there is something which goes lost. With the pill, being more difficult to cum, I never experienced that sensation that you build up after a long fuck and you feel your orgasm is approaching, but it's still somewhat far away, you seek it, you increase your pace and you feel this sensation growing, until you reach an orgasm that comes from deep inside you and leaves you breathless.
This kind of orgasm (you know what I am talking about, right?), the best you can get, I never experienced with the pill.Oh yes I know that feeling. Now I am even more certain I won’t use the pill anytime soon.
The problem is how can we enter the best mode, more often or more easily? Is there something we can do?I am glad you found my old post of interest. Is there something we could do? I wish I knew but I am somewhat sceptic. Some time ago I experience my longest orgasm ever. It felt like at least twice the length of a normal one and it was powerful. Every extra second is like an eternity when it cums to orgasms. I can only imagine what it is like for women. Now half of the readers are sitting thinking ok the girl shoved a baseball bat up my ass for his first time and gave me a prostate massage and that explains the reaction. But no, it was plain vanilla sex and out of the blue. Of course the girl was special, but it shows I do not really know anything about my own sexuality.
as far as I have understood you have a sexual activity on a regular basisI do not know about that, but you can be certain it is much less activity than I would wish for.:)
I spent some time thinking about Duralong's questions about his performance and performance enhancers.
I have conducted some recent experiments with Cialis and can only say that I don't see any effect on myself, not even a placebo effect.
Articles about it indicate that you can take one pill and it is effective for up to three days. I don't see how this can work.
Maybe I need to take a higher dose (I've been splitting their pills in half). I did try taking half pills several days in a row and that didn't make a difference either.
My experiences are best when I have good orgasms and not bad ones.
Not all of my orgasms are the same. Good ones are kind of like wet dream orgasms. I can have those over and over again. My cycle times are shorter too. Bad orgasms are like when I am trying to get away from a chick and I force myself to have one so I can get away from her.
Does anyone else classify their orgasms this way?
I will be the first one to say that I am certainly no stud. I perform well with certain women, don't perform well with others. I have been trying to figure this out for the longest time.
It has something to do with her sexual response to me, mostly. If she is easy to please, I have a good time and we both have a good time. If she isn't easy to please, I don't have such a good time.
As I've written before I respond mostly to her inner temperature. She has to be warm and inviting. If she isn't I can poke away and poke away and nothing will happen.
I kid the women that they should call me the next time they have a fever.
I have also become extremely picky about her lubricant. If she uses the artificial variety, I can slip and slide away into infinity and won't come at all. The best kind of session is when she generates her own natural lubricant and she really gets into it.
Women like this I am addicted to. None of that "I can't kiss you or come with you because you aren't my husband or boyfriend" crap. If she just lets herself go I go into extended and multiple session mode with her. There is none of that fake moaning crap and those contractions she experiences when she comes are genuine too.
Bottom line: I watch carefully for her response. I have the best time with articulate, communicative girls next door who don't go into a professional mode hence my search for amateurs or semi-pros at most.
Sometimes you read posts on this forum by guys who focus on themselves and don't at all mention how she reacted to the session.
Italy 1974
10-29-08, 00:18
Jackio,
I have read you post and I found it very interesting.
I agree on most of your opinions but the most important one is the last sentence of your post when you write "Sometimes you read posts on this forum by guys who focus on themselves and don't at all mention how she reacted to the session". That' exactly the point!
Sex -it doesn't matter is paid sex or free sex- is basically an interaction beetween two human beings. Like you wrote the result of a sexual intercourse "has something to do with her sexual response to me".
Beyond that we may discuss about Cialis and Viagra and whatever, even if I do not have any opinion about the so-called PE as I do not use them. But the main point is the chemistry beetween a man and a woman (or two...).
PS: by the way my classification of orgasms is basically like yours.
Italy 1974
Gentleman Travel
10-29-08, 16:08
I guess the best place for this discussion is under "Special Interests -
Viagra" but since we are here, I will put in my 2 cents worth.
I do find Viagra somewhat desensitizing, so it is a mixed blessing.
Yes, I feel like a man of steel, but sometimes with no happy ending.
So better for the girl, but a mixed blessing for me.
Thus it is most useful when you are trying to impress or please the girl.
But also useful if you are trying to perform in imperfect circumstances.
I started taking them when my wife was pretty non-responsive -
in part because she was not doing much to get me going, so I needed a boost;
and in part because I thought rocking her world might change her attitude,
which it did. Now I mix it up judiciously, no pills for normal pleasure,
but a little boost every now and then to spice things up.
I also found the little blue pills useful when stepping out.
Initially a nervous philanderer, I blew a couple of opportunities
by drinking too much or being otherwise too nervous to perform.
The blue pill gives you a real boost and more confidence.
Don't discount the placebo effect.
The other benefit is that Viagra tends to extend your staying power,
post-climax. So if you are banging a girlfriend, more chance to keep
giving her joy after your own happy ending. But this may not be a good
thing if you are using a condom - you may be tempted to continue
pumping and risk the thing coming off or spilling.
But being superman is less essential if it is her job to please me - if she is a pro.
Nevertheless, I took some Vitamin V when visiting an FKK for the first time.
I wanted to make sure that I could fully take advantage of the experience.
Viagra does make you last longer and reload faster. After 15 years of
marriage, I no longer know how often I CAN do it in a few hours -
I am lucky to get once in the evening and once in the morning.
Thus, given the desensitizing effect of Vitamin V combined with
the less-than-ideal early morning offerings at the Palace, I had to
upgrade to BBBJs from both women to be certain of a happy ending.
But it was also kind of ego-boosting to have a girl come onto me,
and for me to put her off by saying I had just finished a session
and needed time to recharge, then for her to slip her hand into
my robe and exclaim that clearly I was ready to go already!
But in an ideal world, the pro would be responsible for making
Mr Happy happy, and I would leave enhancers for when I needed to perform.
Overall, I would say that Cialas has less of a de-sensitizing effect than Viagra,
and is of course longer lasting, but there can be other side effects.
We don't do that (www.ijsberenforum.com).
And if it is necessarily we will open a french corner till they are back online.No need, they're back.
Hi everybody,
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The moderators have decide to close the forum in order to make some investigations about what did exactly happened.
We hope to reopen the forum very soon (it should take about a few hours).
Thanks for your understanding.
A number of you have commented on the biggest problem for scientific assessment in this area. It is hard to imagine a measured outcome which would be more susceptible to the placebo effect. Your mood, your physiological state, your immediate stimulation, your response to her response, obvious side effects (like flushing) which "prove" to you it's working, etc etc etc.
Nonetheless it is obvious these drugs work, the effect is just too clear.
So I'll just add a bit about the pharmacology, since I do drug discovery/development work for a pharma company. A big one. One which makes one of these medicines, but I'll stop there. My background is chemistry.
To Jackyo's question, it is no mystery why Cialis works longer. It has the longest half life. All drugs must be cleared from the body one way or another, whether directly through kidneys or bile, or by being metabolized ie chemically changed to a form which in turn can be excreted, or some combination of all that. Also it's a very insoluble compound in water, which means a dose is dissolved/absorbed for as long as the drug passes through the stomach and intestines. Probably, a significant portion of any dose is not absorbed. Still, if you take a bigger dose, you absorb more because there is more in your stomach.
This kind of relates to the nature of its effect. It's absorbed more slowly, so it takes a while to build up. Once it's there it stays around. So it makes sense that an effective dose is perceived as more gentle. You wouldn't want to induce a bigger effect because it persists too long.
By the way, those properties also make it easy to develop a once-a-day low-dose formulation, which has just been approved, I believe. For those who "anticipate having interactions more than once a week". LOL. When I read that, I thought, heck, I "anticipate" having sex dozens of times daily, as do practically all men, whether they hobby or not. But before I started hobbying, I succeeded in having sex maybe 2-4 times a month, compared to 2-4 times per week recently. As I've noted in other posts, this includes far more sex at home than I've had in years. Maybe a lady on Tuesday and another on Friday, then Sat and Sun at home basking in the afterglow. And I never use PEs at home.
In contrast, Viagra has a sharper effect because it has a much shorter half life. For me, I can usually feel flushing in about 30 min and peak effect is around 2 hours. But the half life is reasonable, so some effect of it persists for up to 5 hours. I should mention that I don't have ED, and I usually take half of a 100 mg pill. Don't like to take more because I don't like the flushing etc side effects.
At the other end of the scale is Levitra, which has the shortest half life of the three. This comes on really strong (a friend of mine who uses it says it's almost immediate, like 10-20 min for peak effect), but won't last as long. Again it makes sense it has the biggest "punch" because, for a dose to be effective, you'll have a stronger peak effect to have enough stick around in your body long enough to enjoy the consequences.
Regarding desensitization, I was interested to see Duralong's report and also check that ISG PE forum. My friends have mentioned this and I didn't quite believe it, because that side effect is not in the scientific efficacy data (as far as I know, I don't pretend to be an expert). I was thinking about this and wondering whether that's because the clinical studies concentrated on ED patients, who of course are happy to be able to do what they've had trouble doing. Most of the studies, since these have to be well controlled, required married men or those in "committed" relationships. [Would our community say monogamy promotes ED? . I would] But in using these as a "drug of abuse", which can be defined as using something when you're actually not sick or below the norm, you can easily compare how it feels with and without.
For me, I'd say the desensitization wasn't dramatic enough to notice at first, because all those other variables mean I can still come quickly on Viagra or be laboring to finish (but still hard) without it. But now I perceive that within all that "noise" there is a desensitization effect. Is it real or have we all just convinced ourselves we'll have this problem" I do know, for sure, that when I meet a girl and start wondering if I'll be able to perform with her (maybe I feel she's just too beautiful or too hardcore for me) then that is exactly when I run into problems finishing.
OK, maybe I should have posted this in the PE section, but there has been an interesting discussion here.
Camster6969
11-02-08, 02:29
Hi! First time poster. I'm planning my first visit to a couple FKK clubs in November. My question is do the German speaking girls prefer the Sie or Du form? (e.g., Wollen sie mine cock suck? etc. etc.). My German is very rusty but I figure I can get by...!
Thanks to all the posters, this forum is the best. I will visit at least Oase and then Bernds while I'm there.
Angus Magee
11-02-08, 10:26
Interesting comments here and appropriate I would say as the use of performance enhancers I would guess is quite common among the FKK enthusiasts. This is just speculation on my part.
My own experience with these types of drugs is rather limited. Some years back, just before I left for Thailand, I was given 4 V's by a friend who wanted me to maximize my enjoyment in the bars of Bangkok. I split each tablet into two and so I took the drug 8 times in total.
What I enjoyed was the certainty that when I wanted it, the erection would be there. And what an erection! No semi-floppers here. It was literally like being 16 years old again. And condoms? No problem. Rolled right on like being applied to a broom handle.
What I did not like was the side effects. I found that the pills made me feel quite unpleasant, flushing, a persistent headache around my forehead and the aforementioned lack of sensitivity and difficulty finishing. Perhaps all these effects can not be attributed to the V as I was (perhaps irresponsibly) using these drugs purely for recreational purposes and was at the same time drinking cheap Thai beer and smoking rather to many cigs. So I can not say, and indeed think it unlikely, that it was just the V causing the lack of sensation.
Over the past two years I have done my mongering here in Berlin Germany almost exclusively at bordellos though with the occasional escort and late night trip to a sex kino for a booty call. I am now pushing 50 years and my experience with erections is that they are no longer in any way guaranteed in any given situation.
In general I have decided though not to go the way of using performance enhancers for several reasons. Perhaps the main reason is that in my experience of recreational drug use, and in my youth this was extensive, the body is, in it’s functions, quite lazy. As a result, when we take a drug(V) to produce a result (erection) the body pretty quickly figures out that it no longer has to do what it is meant/built to do and thus a subtle dependence is created. I am not sure what the studies made by the drug companies would say of this observation (probably unfounded) but this is my, admittedly anecdotal, experience across a wide range of drugs used, as I say, recreationally.
And let me also say that I have often been sorely tempted to get hold of some viagra. The fact is (for me) that when I visit a bordello and pay for some time with a young lovely I want to be able to “perform”. And that is not always what happens. However, and this I might ad conforms pretty much to my general philosophy of life, whit I find is that what does happen can some how ad to the depth of my experience even if it is not what I really “want” to have happen.
By way of illustration-one of my most powerful/fun experiences in recent memory occurred with a young lady who I saw on the KD website and spent considerable time and effort trying to see. I just loved her picture on the website and I made several appointments with her which were scuttled when she failed to show up for work or ended up having a previous client extend the session.
When finally we did hook up, for initially a half hour session, she did not disappoint. Physically or as a companion. That is spending time with her was great fun for me and we had one of those nice connections that can happen occasionally with a working girl.
However, when it came to the sex, something was just not happening for me. I could not get an erection with her no matter what we did. (And I even visited another KD girl, to reassure myself that all was well with little A, and everything worked perfectly.) But with this girl-nothing though I enjoyed immensely her company.
The first half hour session we had something happened which did kind of blow my mind though. When it became apparent that little Angus was not going to fully cooperate she simply climbed on board, inserted my soft dick in her pussy and just sat there doing “something” with her pussy. It felt good and it took about 3-4 minutes before I had one of the most powerful orgasms that I can remember. Whatever her “technique” I did recognize it as tantric in nature.
Unfortunately, when I tired to get her to repeat this feat, she could not as I truly believe that she was not really aware of what she was “doing” the first time and the pressure to repeat the process kind of killed the possibility.
The reason I tell this rather long story is to illustrate that when something fails to happen, something else is always possible and often that something else is better than the something originally desired.
And ultimately, with this girl who I saw several times, little A got his mojo back and the last time we met she received a proper rodgering with little A in full splendor!
Angus, thanks for the reflections, which are useful to me because I've been thinking through the same issues. I won't comment right now because I'm getting ready to leave for a business trip to Germany today. What a blessing because I'll be playing before and after the business days. See the ISG team building event planned for Bernd's tomorrow (Nov 3rd), under Travel Plans.
But I'm thinking through these same issues and plan to experiment some with using and not using the PEs. Truth be told, I'm in the normal range and use half a V just for assurance I don't have worry about my response. I'm 54 but still have sex regularly at home without using anything. Time to get back to doing that in P4P, at least when I'm not trying to push myself like the third time in a day at a Sauna club.
Hi! First time poster. I'm planning my first visit to a couple FKK clubs in November. My question is do the German speaking girls prefer the Sie or Du form? (e.g., Wollen sie mine cock suck? etc. etc.). My German is very rusty but I figure I can get by...!
Thanks to all the posters, this forum is the best. I will visit at least Oase and then Bernds while I'm there.
Hey Cam,
Forgive me for giggling a little when I read your post. And I promise that I am not laughing at you. Truth is, I actually remember that I "sieszt" my first few p4p gals in Deutschland. Actually had one give me a lecture that formalities could be dropped if two people were gonna be naked and screwing.
"Dutz" girls in the clubs. In fact, "dutz" Gents in the clubs as well. Even in heuty-teuty places like Berlin (where one can still find that old Prussian formality) and Munich. You're absolutely OK doing this. In fact you will avoid the possible perception that you are a nervous newbie.
"Wollen sie mine cock suck?" More than likely the gals are use to hearing "less polite" commands and requests. In the Oase Kino once I heard a dude tell Michelle while she had her hinder in his face and her head in his lap, "Ohhhh ja! Saugen, du Drecksau!"
Cheers,
Dedalus
Hello All,
I'm a newbie here and I plan on spending my next birthday in Germany. Exploring old haunts if they still exist. Chuckle, I was in the Mannheim area in the U. S. Army back in 1969/70. I wonder if those bars I used to frequent are still there.
Since I make use of the p4p facilities here in Houston, TX. I started doing research on the availability of those things. My research invariably led to me discovering ISG and thence, to the FKK forums. Doing my research, I got into this forum 'General Info'. And noted the post of Angus and Johnny Z a short time back. This leads me to share some information about things I've discovered as alternatives to the prescription 'enhancers' that the drug companies are so avid about promoting.
A short bit of history to add some 'color' to who I am and the experience I've had in this area. About 10 years ago, when I was 51, my wife (now ex) mentioned to me that the rigidity that she had been so pleased about with me. Was not so significant anymore. Being an engineer, I did my research and ended up with a prescription for 'V' (aka Blue Thunder) and things were much better.
Alas, as Angus noted. There are some side effects with 'V', notably the headache and different sensations. The headache is much more pronounced when one imbibes alcoholic beverages. Well, dangit. If I'm out and looking, I tend to have a beer or two. So, while 'V' is fine. The side effects, not to mention overall cost is somewhat unattractive!
So, over the past 10 years, there's been some 'V' in my medicine cabinet. About 3 years ago, I was talking with a friend of mine about the lethargy and tiredness that seemed to becoming a chronic condition for me. The friend, Randy, is very much into natural supplements. Randy mentioned that perhaps I should look into an herb called Tongkat Ali. As Randy explained it to me. As we age, our bodies produce less and less free testosterone. Tongkat Ali stimulates the body to produce more of the substances the body requires to produce testosterone. Such that you can't OD on it. If you take too much, the body eliminates it. I figured it was worth a shot (try). So, I got some in a product called LJ100. I can't speak to how it will perform for others, however, for myself. I now would not be without it. My energy level, overall stamina (not speaking in a bedroom sense), and general feelings of well being are more like when I was in my 30s/40s. Chuckle, I'm also reminded of a song I heard where the singer was talking to a portion of his body and lamenting "You used to watch me when I shaved! ". I resembled that remark. Now, at 61. Sometimes when I wake in the morning. He's standing at attention.
Another substance that Randy mentioned was that 'V' and the other products. Assist in 'micro' circulation. We were talking about the pharmaceutical companies. And that long ago, the FDA had one of the companies do a study on a tree bark product called Yohimbe which was being touted as a 'ED' remedy. The study was performed and the result stated was that the Yohimbe produced no notieable improvement. Note: about 6 months later, the company that ran the study released a product for 'ED'. And it contained Yohimbine (the refined product of the Yohimbe bark).
I searched Amazon for Yohimbe. And started laughing. My son, who was living with me at the time. On summer break from college. Asked "What's so funny? ". I showed him that when I did a search for Yohimbe on Amazon, one of the first products that showed up was called 'Extenz'. Which I had seen advertised on the TV (for 'ED').
I've been using these supplements for a couple of years now. With very *acceptable* results. No headache or side effects that I've noticed EXCEPT. When working with my younger coworkers, they have commented that they wonder how an 'old man' of 60+ has the stamina to work longer hours and be more productive than they can. As I stated, I now feel more like I did when I was in my 30s/40s.
So, for those who might prefer to find alternatives to the 'V', 'C', etc. I would suggest you might give Tongkat Ali and Yohimbine an experimental try.
All the Best!. And happy *punting*,
Carl
I recently switched from Viagra to Cialis, and have noticed the longer action on last weeks visits. Being in my sixties, I am able to come several times now and as a matter of fact, I took Cialis on Tuesday morning, spent that day at Oase and the next day at Bernd's and was able to spend exciting times with 7 beautiful women; I will report about that in other forums. Ialso have less side effects with Cialis such as headaches and dry nose. I do need my time in between sessions to recover, but that gives a great chance to visit and enjoy the company of the ladies.
It is time for me to contribute to this forum, as it has helped me tremendously with my mongering in Germany.
I recently switched from Viagra to Cialis, as I experience less side effects (headache, dryness of nose) with Cialis, and due to its prolonged effect.
I have now been to FKK's 4 times (will report about that in the proper threads), and would not be able to accomplish what I like to do without the PE. Being in my early sixties and coming four times one day in a twelve hour period, and three more times the next day with only one pill is really amazing, and very satisfying!
Cooper69
Hey Cam,
Forgive me for giggling a little when I read your post. And I promise that I am not laughing at you. Truth is, I actually remember that I "sieszt" my first few p4p gals in Deutschland. Actually had one give me a lecture that formalities could be dropped if two people were gonna be naked and screwing.
"Dutz" girls in the clubs. In fact, "dutz" Gents in the clubs as well. Even in heuty-teuty places like Berlin (where one can still find that old Prussian formality) and Munich. You're absolutely OK doing this. In fact you will avoid the possible perception that you are a nervous newbie.
"Wollen sie mine cock suck?" More than likely the gals are use to hearing "less polite" commands and requests. In the Oase Kino once I heard a dude tell Michelle while she had her hinder in his face and her head in his lap, "Ohhhh ja! Saugen, du Drecksau!"
Cheers,
Dedalus
I agree!
Its the same thing in French, by the way. You come across as uptight and standoffish if you can't come to terms with informality. You don't want to come across as a dweeb.
You don't want to be saying "Ficken Sie mich!" when "Fick mich!" rolls off the tongue so much easier. (Second person, singular, formal versus second person, singular, informal, verb in the imperative form, direct object "mich" declined in the Akkusativ).
Gentlemen,
Can anybody share any information about this club? It i8s not far away from World. Search over ISG haven't shoved any results.
Thanks for responce
AAaahhh that great feeling of knowing I'm about to spend of couple of days FKK'ing.
Another substance that Randy mentioned was that 'V' and the other products. Assist in 'micro' circulation. We were talking about the pharmaceutical companies. And that long ago, the FDA had one of the companies do a study on a tree bark product called Yohimbe which was being touted as a 'ED' remedy. The study was performed and the result stated was that the Yohimbe produced no notieable improvement. Note: about 6 months later, the company that ran the study released a product for 'ED'. And it contained Yohimbine (the refined product of the Yohimbe bark).
I searched Amazon for Yohimbe. And started laughing. My son, who was living with me at the time. On summer break from college. Asked "What's so funny? ". I showed him that when I did a search for Yohimbe on Amazon, one of the first products that showed up was called 'Extenz'. Which I had seen advertised on the TV (for 'ED').
I've been using these supplements for a couple of years now. With very *acceptable* results. No headache or side effects that I've noticed EXCEPT. When working with my younger coworkers, they have commented that they wonder how an 'old man' of 60+ has the stamina to work longer hours and be more productive than they can. As I stated, I now feel more like I did when I was in my 30s/40s.
So, for those who might prefer to find alternatives to the 'V', 'C', etc. I would suggest you might give Tongkat Ali and Yohimbine an experimental try.
All the Best!. And happy *punting*,
Carl
Someone suggested Yohimbe to me once on another forum. So I go to a local supplements chain store and find it on sale.
I take one pill and it was one of the worst experiences I've ever had.
I tossed and turned that evening. I had weird sensations: an irregular heartbeat, a throbbing headache. It was like overdosing on caffeine.
I took it alone by myself as an experiment and there was absolutely no desired effect.
So if anyone wants to buy a hundred pills of the stuff, let me know. I still have them and won't touch it again.
I take one pill and it was one of the worst experiences I've ever had.
I tossed and turned that evening. I had weird sensations: an irregular heartbeat, a throbbing headache.
So if anyone wants to buy a hundred pills of the stuff, let me know. I still have them and won't touch it again.LOL. Try inserting it into your mouth next time, Jackyo?
LOL. Try inserting it into your mouth next time, Jackyo?
Ha! Wrong orifice! :)
Hello Jackyo,
I understand what you mean about Yohimbe. Though, I use the Yohimbine (Yohimbe extract). The first time I got some was the day before I had a young lady here in Houston come visit my home for 2 hours.
I had this new stuff. So, I figured that, if one is good. Then, two MUST be better. Mistake. While I did not have any irregular heartbeat. I did seem quite agitated/lots of nervous energy and my mini-me was quite sensitive, especially in the tip area.
So, further experimentation taught me that I can handle 2 capsules a day (I'm 5'11" about 185 lb), taken with food. One in the morning and one in the evening. Tonight, I went and looked at the label on my bottle and I noted that the directions suggested taking a 'half-dose' initially to test for effectivity and tolerance level.
I'm just saying that I understand that you might have been less than overjoyed with the result. (understatment) Though, you mentioning an irregular heartbeat would cause me great concern. If it were me that had experienced an irregular heartbeat. I would get that checked out as I haven't noted that as a side effect in anything I've read.
I can understand your aversion. Somewhat like my experience with drinking too much in the past. In fact, my experience there was memorialized in a song by an artist named Roy Head. The title was something like "The Cowboy's Lament". The pertinent lines were:
Waking up the very next morning. Thinking OH NO! , WHAT did I do? Hanging my head. As I slipped from her bed Trying hard not to leave any clues!
All the Best! , Carl R
Hi Guys,
Can anyone tell me which club around Düsseldorf has a decent amount of Asian (oriental - i.e. Japanese, Thai, etc.) girls? I know PHG used to have a couple Thai girls back in the days, but don’t know what the situation is nowadays.
Any/ideas comments would be appreciated.
thanks all!
Hi Guys,
Can anyone tell me which club around Düsseldorf has a decent amount of Asian (oriental - i.e. Japanese, Thai, etc.) girls? I know PHG used to have a couple Thai girls back in the days, but don’t know what the situation is nowadays.
Any/ideas comments would be appreciated.
thanks all!
There used to be a club in Dusseldorf called Pegasus, which was a kind of price fixed Thai girl party treff. I don't know if they still run, but its worth an internet check.
Also, though not directly in Dusseldorf but in Bochum, the FKK F39, as reported by Radler on that thread recently, has a few high performing asian girls, Chinese, Thai and Indonesian, if memory serves. Worth reading his excellent reports filed at the start of this month.
Ortos
There used to be a club in Dusseldorf called Pegasus, which was a kind of price fixed Thai girl party treff. I don't know if they still run, but its worth an internet check.
...moved to Bonn and has since closed.
Vito Corleone
11-20-08, 05:12
Hi Guys,
Can anyone tell me which club around Düsseldorf has a decent amount of Asian (oriental - i.e. Japanese, Thai, etc.) girls? I know PHG used to have a couple Thai girls back in the days, but don’t know what the situation is nowadays.
Any/ideas comments would be appreciated.
thanks all!
I know GT had a few Thai chicks & 1 Korean last year.
There used to be a club in Dusseldorf called Pegasus, which was a kind of price fixed Thai girl party treff. I don't know if they still run, but its worth an internet check.http://www.parksauna.info/index.html this club in Wildenrath is now called Pegasus. There aren't any thaigirls.
Also, though not directly in Dusseldorf but in Bochum, the FKK F39, as reported by Radler on that thread recently, has a few high performing asian girls, Chinese, Thai and Indonesian, if memory serves. Worth reading his excellent reports filed at the start of this month.
OrtosFreude39 : Noi/Nuy, Putri,
Living Room : Joy , Pon
Golden Time : MayLin, Nadine, Lin, Sofia, Kim, Be, Summer
PHG : Emy
Villa Vertigo : WanLi
Freude39 : Noi/Nuy, Putri,
Living Room : Joy , Pon
Golden Time : MayLin, Nadine, Lin, Sofia, Kim, Be, Summer
PHG : Emy
Villa Vertigo : WanLi
I know GT had a few Thai chicks & 1 Korean last year.
Right ... Seems like I need to read up on th GT thread ;)
Thanks for the quick response and info guys.
http://www.parksauna.info/index.html this club in Wildenrath is now called Pegasus. There aren't any thaigirls.
I was referring to a club that used to operate in Dusseldorf, not Wilderath. The club you mention, Parksauna, has been around for many, many years. It was once a grand place to visit. They went into decline and are trying to resurrect themselves. If they have now changed their name to Pegasus, good luck! It certainly bears no relation to what I was referring to, a club in Dusseldorf itself with a team of onlyThai girls, that was more of a Party Treff than an FKK like Wilderath.
Btw: Iseeu has reported below that the Pegasus I was referring to is now closed.
Case closed.
Ortos
I was referring to a club that used to operate in Dusseldorf, not Wilderath. The club you mention, Parksauna, has been around for many, many years. It was once a grand place to visit. They went into decline and are trying to resurrect themselves. If they have now changed their name to Pegasus, good luck! It certainly bears no relation to what I was referring to, a club in Dusseldorf itself with a team of onlyThai girls, that was more of a Party Treff than an FKK like Wilderath.
Btw: Iseeu has reported below that the Pegasus I was referring to is now closed.
Case closed.
Ortos
According to a previous post by Peter, the dude who used to run Parksauna Wildenrath is also involved in Villa Vertigo (or at least behind the scenes).
I agree: the former Parksauna was a great place to hangout once upon a time. There was a nice edited selection and it was laid back.
For those interested in partytreffs there's a relatively new one that gets rave reviews on the German Rheinforum. Partytreff Pole Position in Kerpen, the home of one Michael Schumacher (the town not the partytreff). it has porno stars as special gang bang guests and by and large appears to be the sort of splash and dash place you would linger in for refueling and a rubber change or two.
here's the WWW link -pauschalclub-poleposition.de
Drivers of a certain red Italian brand get free entry. You must arrive in the real thing, not bring a photo.
you pay Euro 100 for three hours or Euro 149 for a day long pit stop. Bang for buck I imagine pretty much anything goes as this is on the high side for partytreffs. It looks worth a trip so I suppose I will have to get the F40 out of the garage and force myself to canter up there.
Drivers of a certain red Italian brand get free entry. You must arrive in the real thing, not bring a photo.
.. is the T-shirt.
This club is a sister club to PT Dorsten and PT Traumland in Muenster, by the way.
@Jackyo - no you have this the wrong way around. No Ferarri no deal, all you get is a T-shirt saying ''I went to Kerpen and got pole positioned''..no need to bring T-shirt to party.
Ferarri owners get valet parking, or should in my book
This is from Stern Magazin.
http://www.stern.de/video/?vid=646276
The first club, I've been told, is Paradies in Leinfelden/Echterdingen which is where the Stuttgart airport is.
Very over the top Turkish decor, oder?
The second one is in Grefrath I've been told is Villa Vertigo. (Ich bin noch nicht da gewesen.)
Does anyone know this chick, Heidi?
Uebrigens, she very clearly at the end describes how the revenue system works.
And beware the full moon! The sex wolves are on the prowl. (sent via my Blackberry on the way to Vertigo to do terrible things with Heidi)
This is from Stern Magazin.
http://www.stern.de/video/?vid=646276
The first club, I've been told, is Paradies in Leinfelden/Echterdingen which is where the Stuttgart airport is.
Very over the top Turkish decor, oder?
The second one is in Grefrath I've been told is Villa Vertigo. (Ich bin noch nicht da gewesen.)
Does anyone know this chick, Heidi?
Uebrigens, she very clearly at the end describes how the revenue system works.
Watched the clip; very interesting. Thanks for sharing. Nothing really new, though, for the experienced punter. Of course they never covered why the guys are all doing "wellness". The reason is that you just have to find something to do between sessions. And the "full moon" bit? Hilarious. Probably there was a Mess going on ...
Barbershop inside VV? Cool! The only other time that I have ever seen that is at 4x4 in Rio. But there only the girls get their hair done. They have two chairs, and there is always so much demand that the girls have to make appointments. How is that for a dream job: hair-styling for almost-naked hookers? Is that a curling iron you have in your pants, or are you just happy to see me?
Barbershop inside VV? Cool! The only other time that I have ever seen that is at 4x4 in Rio. But there only the girls get their hair done.A bit off topic, for which apologies. But I know of a place in Belgium where you can have a haircut and then fuck the hairdresser afterwards. Well, I assume it's afterwards. Wouldn't want to have her getting too excited with the scissors still out.
http://users.skynet.be/fa281060/web%20rachel/nouveaute.htm
Apparently she's very good, and I was thinking of chancing my arm, but I'm pretty sensitive about my hair you know :-) :-)
Gfe Finder
11-28-08, 00:07
Barbershop inside VV? Cool! The only other time that I have ever seen that is at 4x4 in Rio. But there only the girls get their hair done.
Also off topic, but Termas Aeroporto has a barbershop for guys. (I didn’t partake, but they did advertise "manicure, pedicure and coiffeur" on their website.)
This is from Stern Magazin.
http://www.stern.de/video/?vid=646276
The first club, I've been told, is Paradies in Leinfelden/Echterdingen which is where the Stuttgart airport is.
Very over the top Turkish decor, oder?
The second one is in Grefrath I've been told is Villa Vertigo. (Ich bin noch nicht da gewesen.)
Does anyone know this chick, Heidi?
Uebrigens, she very clearly at the end describes how the revenue system works.
Hey Jackyo,
Thanks for posting this. Don't check out the Stern site that often. I would have certainly missed it.
Yep, that's Paradise alright. It's actually a really nice club. Any similarities to the interiors of Palace and Artemis are not accidental. I was there quite often in October and the line-ups were darn good I must say. Plus, the food buffet is easily the best of any of the German clubs that I know of.
Actually I have a feeling that Paradise may be the place to be come spring.
On my few visits to villa, all those amenities were not available. No Friseur, no Masseur, none of that stuff. Just dudes taking pictures. (We've been through that already.)
I'm not quite sure that the villa people "get it." All the wellness stuff is fine, but it won't make up for sub-standard line-ups. Not saying that the place has a bad line-up (bin auch eine Weile nicht da gewesen) but in the last few months I have run into a number of ex-villa girls working at Paradise, Oase, GT and World. I heard a story or two that I can't repeat, but as we use to say back home, "Something ain't clean in the milk."
Right now, even though Paradise's interior may be more "kitschig" than villa, I am betting that Paradise has an easier time of it in the future.
Cheers,
Dedalus
A bit off topic, for which apologies. But I know of a place in Belgium where you can have a haircut and then fuck the hairdresser afterwards. Well, I assume it's afterwards. Wouldn't want to have her getting too excited with the scissors still out.
http://users.skynet.be/fa281060/web%20rachel/nouveaute.htm
Apparently she's very good, and I was thinking of chancing my arm, but I'm pretty sensitive about my hair you know :-) :-)
.. down there?
Or would she be amenable to mutual grooming? ;)
Looks like Continental is offering double airmiles on one leg of a flight from frankfurt, hamburg or berlin from 15 Jan and 31 Mar 2009. If im reading this right, you'll get an extra 5k airmiles.
http://www.continental.com/web/en-US/apps/onepass/promotions/registrationDetails.aspx?promoCode=TB6M30
I was planning a mongering trip to Thailand, but there is a coup in the works there, with airports shut down. What a bummer. Well, sometimes you can take a lemon and make lemonade. So I'm now considering moving forward my spring trip that I was planning to check out the fkk's.
My question is how is the activity level in the fkk's this time of the year? I will be taking a 1-week trip from the US, is there enough going on to support a week worth of pussy hunting? Considering that the sole purpose of my trip is mongering, which city / cities would you recommend? Is weather a factor big enough to be prohibitive or to dictate the choice of cities?
I am a very experienced monger / traveler, but have been to germany and an fkk only once. One of the things I want to try, which is unique to Germany, is some sort of orgy action (I think I remember hearing about all-you-can-fuck orgy days at some fkk's or swinger clubs), but this is somewhat of a secondary wish (primary being just good, straight mongering with 1 or 2 girls at a time). Another added benefit would be a city, which has cultural, architectural, historical and culinary delights to be enjoyed.
Thanks a lot in advance for your input. And as usual, I promise to post any unique experiences.
I was planning a mongering trip to Thailand, but there is a coup in the works there, with airports shut down. What a bummer. Well, sometimes you can take a lemon and make lemonade. So I'm now considering moving forward my spring trip that I was planning to check out the fkk's.
My question is how is the activity level in the fkk's this time of the year? I will be taking a 1-week trip from the US, is there enough going on to support a week worth of pussy hunting? Considering that the sole purpose of my trip is mongering, which city / cities would you recommend? Is weather a factor big enough to be prohibitive or to dictate the choice of cities?
I am a very experienced monger / traveler, but have been to germany and an fkk only once. One of the things I want to try, which is unique to Germany, is some sort of orgy action (I think I remember hearing about all-you-can-fuck orgy days at some fkk's or swinger clubs), but this is somewhat of a secondary wish (primary being just good, straight mongering with 1 or 2 girls at a time). Another added benefit would be a city, which has cultural, architectural, historical and culinary delights to be enjoyed.
Thanks a lot in advance for your input. And as usual, I promise to post any unique experiences.I would say Berlin is a great city to visit regardless of the FKK Artemis. Berlin has tons of bars and clubs, lots of museums and other cultural sites, and is the center for up and coming artisits of all sorts. Artemis is a decent FKK though I don't have any thing to compare it to (hopefully that will change soon). :)
Your questions are quite a pot-pourri.
If you have some German, the answer is definitely Berlin for me. You have one of the most interesting places in Europe and a great transport system to get around. That includes Potsdam. I try to get there at least twice a year. Apart from FKK Artemis there is a whole host of appetising brothels, and some cheap escort services, but you may need at least basic German to tackle them. There is a great array of info on the Germany, Berlin thread. Artemis is a backstop, where you need no German, and is good for a couple of nights for certain.
If you want good mongering, and have little or no German, think seriously of Frankfurt. The Big Three are well covered on the forum. You could be happy there, and at other FKKs nearby, for a month, let alone a week. And the city has its attractions too, but not for a whole week.
Orgies and swinger clubs are a special topic where you'll probably have to research further yourself. German here too more or less essential to feel comfortable. I can't help there, I am afraid. There is a good Partytreff section on this forum.
Be sure to report your experiences. Good luck.
Thanks for the input, gentlemen. My german skills are limited (read: nonexistent), so I'm leaning towards FRA. Besides, there's always room for side trips to other cities, since I will be there for a little more than a week. This is my first real trip to germany and would appreciate if you could provide me with some more help:
- any hotel recommendations in FRA? I don't want to stay at a Motel 6, but don't need a Ritz either. Just a nice, clean hotel with broadband internet and a gym, and close to the FKK(s). I don't necessarily need to stay in the city center area, which should help in getting good hotel rates, I think.
- I got the impression from reading the forum that renting a car (with GPS) is probably the best idea. Is this correct? I drive in the U.S., but have never driven in europe; hope thats not a problem.
- which are the big 3 frankfurt FKK's you refer to? I found Palace and FKK 35 on the forum, but couldn't find the third one listed under frankfurt.
Sorry for the list of basic questions. I usually do a lot of research before mongering trips, but I'm scrambling to throw together this trip at the last minute as my Bangkok trip has to be cancelled due to the political problems there and I'm moving to the 2nd destination on my list - the FKK's.
Thanks in advance and promise to post any unique experiences.
I was planning a mongering trip to Thailand, but there is a coup in the works there, with airports shut down. What a bummer. Well, sometimes you can take a lemon and make lemonade. So I'm now considering moving forward my spring trip that I was planning to check out the fkk's.
My question is how is the activity level in the fkk's this time of the year? I will be taking a 1-week trip from the US, is there enough going on to support a week worth of pussy hunting? Considering that the sole purpose of my trip is mongering, which city / cities would you recommend? Is weather a factor big enough to be prohibitive or to dictate the choice of cities?
I am a very experienced monger / traveler, but have been to germany and an fkk only once. One of the things I want to try, which is unique to Germany, is some sort of orgy action (I think I remember hearing about all-you-can-fuck orgy days at some fkk's or swinger clubs), but this is somewhat of a secondary wish (primary being just good, straight mongering with 1 or 2 girls at a time). Another added benefit would be a city, which has cultural, architectural, historical and culinary delights to be enjoyed.
Thanks a lot in advance for your input. And as usual, I promise to post any unique experiences.
If I had a week in Germany, I would do the following:
1. Rent a car. Driving in Germany with 200 is also a nice feeling!
2. Visit Frankfurt FKKs Oase , Palace , World
3. Read the Party treff forum and decide which PT you want to visit. I only visited 1 PT (Dolce Vita) and it was a very special experience. Experience gruppen sex! You will never forget it!
There are many PT throughout Germany. Somewhere in the forum, there is a very nice map with the exact locations of all PTs and FKKs. You can choose your way of travelling by car and stopping to different PT. On the way you can enjoy German culture in different cities. Bonn, Cologne are nice cities with nice sights and culture.
That is of course what I would do! You have some sweet decisions to make my friend. Good luck and have fun!
Ek
if i had a week in germany, i would do the following:
1. rent a car. driving in germany with 200 is also a nice feeling!
2. visit frankfurt fkks oase , palace , world
3. read the party treff forum and decide which pt you want to visit. i only visited 1 pt (dolce vita) and it was a very special experience. experience gruppen sex! you will never forget it!
there are many pt throughout germany. somewhere in the forum, there is a very nice map with the exact locations of all pts and fkks. you can choose your way of travelling by car and stopping to different pt. on the way you can enjoy german culture in different cities. bonn, cologne are nice cities with nice sights and culture.
that is of course what i would do! you have some sweet decisions to make my friend. good luck and have fun!
ek
1) you don't really need a car. you can get around by public transport and cab quite well particularly if you are only visiting the hessen 3.
and contrary to what folks think, the autobahn isn't all tempolimitfrei. there are stretches which don't have a tempolimit but on others you will need to watch your speed. top speed is 240 kph. they have speed limiters installed on those porsches which pass you in the left lane otherwise they'd do 320 kph very easily.
rule number one: that lane belongs to the porsches. get you ass over to the right side unless you are passing and then move over quickly.
driving at that speed, by the way, is stressful. it gives you an adrenaline rush but its stressful.
2) visit the hessen 3 and stay in the hessen 3.
3) pt dolce vita doesn't really provide gruppensex. you can't go from one chick to the next one at pt dolce vita. they will make you stand up and take a shower before you switch partners. i've only experienced true gruppensex at pt mettmann. its like swimming in a sea of bodies. you can switch from one orifice to the other seamlessly.
pts are not really available throughout germany. they are concentrated in nrw and parts of niedersachsen. those found elsewhere are not to the same standards (in baden-wuerttemberg, z. b.).
we have yet to read of someone visiting a pt in hessen and saying it was worth their while.
Thanks for the input, gentlemen. My german skills are limited (read: nonexistent), so I'm leaning towards FRA. Besides, there's always room for side trips to other cities, since I will be there for a little more than a week. This is my first real trip to germany and would appreciate if you could provide me with some more help:
- any hotel recommendations in FRA? I don't want to stay at a Motel 6, but don't need a Ritz either. Just a nice, clean hotel with broadband internet and a gym, and close to the FKK(s). I don't necessarily need to stay in the city center area, which should help in getting good hotel rates, I think.
- I got the impression from reading the forum that renting a car (with GPS) is probably the best idea. Is this correct? I drive in the U.S., but have never driven in europe; hope thats not a problem.
- which are the big 3 frankfurt FKK's you refer to? I found Palace and FKK 35 on the forum, but couldn't find the third one listed under frankfurt.
Sorry for the list of basic questions. I usually do a lot of research before mongering trips, but I'm scrambling to throw together this trip at the last minute as my Bangkok trip has to be cancelled due to the political problems there and I'm moving to the 2nd destination on my list - the FKK's.
Thanks in advance and promise to post any unique experiences.
1) Do a search of this forum for the closest hotel to Palace which is either the Mercure or Flemings. Book yourself there. Then do a search for hotels in Bad Homburg. There is Pension Wall which is down the road from Oase but the next big concentration of hotels is in Bad Homburg if you are visiting Oase. I personally stay at the Hotel Daheim. Its off the main Fussgaengerzone in Bad Homburg. (That is Bad Homburg by the way, not Bad Hamburg. The name of the town is officially Bad Homburg vor der Hoehe or simply Bad Homburg v. d. H.) Its a tourist destination with spas based on the mineral water and a large casino. Then find the address to Zum Gruenen Baum in Pohlheim-Garbenteich. This is within walking distance of World.
2) You won't need a car, just patience in trying to figure out transport schedules and fares. A cab will then take you the rest of the way.
3) Oase, Palace, World.
1) you don't really need a car. you can get around by public transport and cab quite well particularly if you are only visiting the hessen 3.
and contrary to what folks think, the autobahn isn't all tempolimitfrei. there are stretches which don't have a tempolimit but on others you will need to watch your speed. top speed is 240 kph. they have speed limiters installed on those porsches which pass you in the left lane otherwise they'd do 320 kph very easily.
rule number one: that lane belongs to the porsches. get you ass over to the right side unless you are passing and then move over quickly.
driving at that speed, by the way, is stressful. it gives you an adrenaline rush but its stressful.
2) visit the hessen 3 and stay in the hessen 3.
3) pt dolce vita doesn't really provide gruppensex. you can't go from one chick to the next one at pt dolce vita. they will make you stand up and take a shower before you switch partners. i've only experienced true gruppensex at pt mettmann. its like swimming in a sea of bodies. you can switch from one orifice to the other seamlessly.
pts are not really available throughout germany. they are concentrated in nrw and parts of niedersachsen. those found elsewhere are not to the same standards (in baden-wuerttemberg, z. b.).
we have yet to read of someone visiting a pt in hessen and saying it was worth their while.
personally i like driving and i hate moving with luggage here and there in a taxi. i book a nice hotel and move by car.
but of course it's really a personal opinion, because some people opposite to what i like, they don't like driving and don't mind moving with luggage very often.
i am wrong about the location of pt clubs then... i had just seen a map once and i was impressed with the amount of mongering places in germany. i didn't check one by one (i don't mean being there, but not even on the map :d) the places, but i thought most of them were pt clubs.
i only had one and single experience in dolce vita pt (which is considered to be one of the best), but i do prefer the fkks. i like to have a large variety of girls, like they have in the top three in frankfurt area.
on the other hand, the experience that jackyo is describing in pt mettman sounds very interesting :d
i have to put that in my schedule!!!
Thanks for the input, gentlemen. My german skills are limited (read: nonexistent), so I'm leaning towards FRA. Besides, there's always room for side trips to other cities, since I will be there for a little more than a week. This is my first real trip to germany and would appreciate if you could provide me with some more help:
- any hotel recommendations in FRA? I don't want to stay at a Motel 6, but don't need a Ritz either. Just a nice, clean hotel with broadband internet and a gym, and close to the FKK(s). I don't necessarily need to stay in the city center area, which should help in getting good hotel rates, I think.
- I got the impression from reading the forum that renting a car (with GPS) is probably the best idea. Is this correct? I drive in the U.S., but have never driven in europe; hope thats not a problem.
- which are the big 3 frankfurt FKK's you refer to? I found Palace and FKK 35 on the forum, but couldn't find the third one listed under frankfurt.
Sorry for the list of basic questions. I usually do a lot of research before mongering trips, but I'm scrambling to throw together this trip at the last minute as my Bangkok trip has to be cancelled due to the political problems there and I'm moving to the 2nd destination on my list - the FKK's.
Thanks in advance and promise to post any unique experiences.
By the way, there are clubs offering events with pornostar guests. Maybe one of the fellow mongers that knows someting good coming up could inform you about it. I would really like to participate in such an event once in my "carreer"
On the other hand, the experience that Jackyo is describing in PT Mettman sounds very interesting :D
I have to put that in my schedule!!!
Hey,
Yes, get PT Mettmann on your schedule but.. do read carefully the posts so you know what to expect. There are guys who are addicted to PT Mettmann and then there are guys who visit and are disappointed.
One thing for sure: you won't be indifferent about it.
Felipe2006
12-05-08, 01:48
(s)exploring bavaria.
having moved 'back home' to munich a few months ago (after 15 years away), i thought i'd post some comments on the scene here.
munich is a wonderful city with lots of interesting people, cultural events and beautiful countryside around it but – as readers familiar with germany know – it is not ideal for p4p.
bavaria has stricter laws than other german länder (states). all of munich's center is inside the 'sperrbezirk' (restricted zone), that is, no prostitution is allowed inside the zone. there are actually 27 such zones in munich overall – i looked up the law on the web – and they cover pretty much every part of town.
clubs around central station advertise lap-dances etc. but no p4p. it may be possible to make private arrangements with the dancers, but be advised that you'd be on shaky ground legally. anyway, these clubs in town are expensive (people tell me 15-20 € per drink) and whether the shows are good or not – i can't say as i've never been there. not my thing.
btw, there is a famous song about this topic by a group called 'spider murphy gang' (a bavarian hard-rock band in the 80s). they have two hits that are evergreens in germany, one of which is 'skandal i'm sperrbezirk' (scandal in the zone), dealing with a cathouse inside the zone. the other song is 'schickeria', a parody of the 'rich & beautiful people'.
back to topic. apartments
there are several websites – check out http://nightlife-munich. de/erotic. htm, with about 10 sites. best are www.rotelaterne. de/frontend/ and www.bavarialadies. de/. many ladies advertise there, but they're all in apartments.
i did check out some of these places – the good thing is that they have pictures on the doors to help you decide before you ring. the first two places i went to, they asked 100 € for 30 min, 200 € for the hour. i politely declined and left. the third place was at machtlingerstrasse 12 (south-west of town, next to subway-station 'machtlfinger str. '), the girl asked me 'how much do you have? ', i was surprised, mumbled something about 50 €, she said, ok 20 minutes. half hour would be 70 €. in the end i didn't go with her, but these were more reasonable rates. as i ended up doing nothing in any of these places i can't tell you about service. but i seriously doubt it is up to club-standard. overall the atmosphere in these places is little better than in 'laufhaus', so this scene is not for me.
clubs
some clubs in munich such as südfaß oase (www.fkkmuenchen. de), fkk relax (www.fkk-relax. de/) and fkk palazzo (www.fkk-palazzo. de/). i haven't been to any of them, so cannot give any information. entry is 60 €, with 60-70 € per half hour. a good alternative is colosseum in augsburg (60km away, www.colosseum-augsburg. de/). not as good the frankfurt big three or golden triangle near düsseldorf, but ok. i have been there once about a year ago and it was good. not great, but good.
i did however check out a new club last month.
location
it's called hawaii (www.fkk-hawaii. de/) and it's located close to the highway at ingolstadt. about 80 km north of munich, ingolstadt is halfway between munich and nürnberg, it has lots of oil refineries and of course audi (as part of volkswagen) is based there.
the club is easy to find – from munich take the a-9 highway, direction nürnberg/berlin. exit at 'ingolstadt süd (south)', then turn left, then the third street to the right. it's a new club, opened in october. located in industrial park (companies, gas stations, fast food etc.). parking lot in front of the club. open 2pm to 2am, friday & saturday until 4am.
facilities
you enter the building and find yourself in a reception area where after paying 65 € you are given your key, shoes (they ask for your size) and towel. you proceed to the locker/shower area. showers, bathrooms are very clean – the cleaning crew is busy all the time. unlike in some other clubs, the lockers are quite big, which is good for me as i often have a backpack or laptop with me that i don't like to leave in the car. the main area is a large club room, with small tables & sofas rep001tered around. a dance-pole in the middle and, not surprising, a hawaii theme with tropical tress etc. a long bar with bar stools in the back.
the place seems to have been a storage hall/hangar before, the kind that are used at trade fairs. the whirlpool is small but with very hot water. they have a garden too, but it was not in use. so facilities are nice, clean and practical.
food & drink
all non-alcoholic drinks free (as usual), but you can also get beer at 4 € a bottle. food was pretty good, not top notch, but better than most other clubs in germany i've been to. large selection – two kinds of pasta, two choices of meat, plus fish, vegetables, several salads, fruit, cheeses, dessert etc. extras dinner tables separated from the bar area by a curtain. large tv screen.
girls
about 20 girls around, but it was a slow night (in the middle of the week). i was told on weekends more customers and thus more girls. mostly eastern europeans plus some germans. lineup was ok. pricing is the standard 50€ for half an hour, 100 € for an hour.
session
one session. while eating dinner i spotted dark-skinned girl sitting at the far end of my table chatting with another guy. they are talking about. brasilj. very nice, i'd initially pegged her as carribean. anyway, later we chat, some small talk about her country, her city etc. she's not pushy at all, so that's a good sign. i tend to go with my instincts – if i don't 'connect' with a girl in the bar, i won't go with her. but with her everything was good, so off we went.
and in the room i was not disappointed – she was like a tiger (tigeress? ), but in the good sensej very nice session. left after one hour with a big smile on my face.
so the place is a decent substitute if frankfurt is too far away. not on same level i would say, but on par with colosseum in augsburg mentioned above.
suerte,
felipe
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A bit off topic but somewhat relevant:
http://www.spiegel.de/reise/aktuell/0,1518,594848,00.html
Fazit: City authorities have plans to reduce the number of mini-brothels and coffee shops in Amsterdam.
These displaced women will have to find work somewhere. Where might that be?
Will this mean more Dutch and tourists visiting the Grenzgebietclubs?
Basketcase
12-10-08, 00:20
2008 Trip Summary
By the end of 2008 this is my summary of trips made and the split between Hessen, Berlin and Nord Rhein Westfalen (NRW) clubs:
I made a total of 28 separate trips to Germany split between the regions as:
Hessen - 17 Trips
NRW - 10 Trips
Berlin - 1 Trip
Total: 28 trips
I had to cancel 4 trips due to personal commitments (one time), I forgot my passport and did not have time to retrieve it (one time), or I did not get feel like going so I did not go (two times). All four trips missed were to NRW so if I did take them then I would have notched up 14 trips to NRW and 32 trips in total.
In total number of days the split by region is:
Hessen: 46 days of FKK
NRW: 28 days of Sauna clubs
Berlin: 4 days of FKK
Total: 78 days of FKKs and Sauna clubs
As a percentage of 2008 it seems I have spent 21% of my year in the various clubs being 78/366 days as 2008 is a leap year. This is one fifth of my time in 2008!!!
The four trips I missed would have added in another 8 more days making up to 86 days in total but these do not really count, but I did pay for the hotel, flights and car hire to make those trips work.
As the numbers reveal there is a preference for the Hessen FKKs over the NRW sauna clubs regardless that the pricing is more moderate in the NRW sauna clubs and I do like spending time with the lasses there. The tendency for Hessen FKKs is determined by the presence of more of my favourites in that area and particularly focussed on FKK Oase.
I write this as a sobering thought as to what is possible and perhaps moderation should be the order of the day. Then again I have enjoyed my time and wish it to continue further for many years to come.
In conclusion I need to plant a lot of trees in recompense for the massive carbon footprint that I have incurred.
Cheers,
Londonbasketcase
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