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2008 Trip Summary
By the end of 2008 this is my summary of trips made and the split between Hessen, Berlin and Nord Rhein Westfalen (NRW) clubs:
I made a total of 28 separate trips to Germany split between the regions as:
Hessen - 17 Trips
NRW - 10 Trips
Berlin - 1 Trip
Total: 28 trips
I had to cancel 4 trips due to personal commitments (one time), I forgot my passport and did not have time to retrieve it (one time), or I did not get feel like going so I did not go (two times). All four trips missed were to NRW so if I did take them then I would have notched up 14 trips to NRW and 32 trips in total.
In total number of days the split by region is:
Hessen: 46 days of FKK
NRW: 28 days of Sauna clubs
Berlin: 4 days of FKK
Total: 78 days of FKKs and Sauna clubs
As a percentage of 2008 it seems I have spent 21% of my year in the various clubs being 78/366 days as 2008 is a leap year. This is one fifth of my time in 2008!!!
The four trips I missed would have added in another 8 more days making up to 86 days in total but these do not really count, but I did pay for the hotel, flights and car hire to make those trips work.
As the numbers reveal there is a preference for the Hessen FKKs over the NRW sauna clubs regardless that the pricing is more moderate in the NRW sauna clubs and I do like spending time with the lasses there. The tendency for Hessen FKKs is determined by the presence of more of my favourites in that area and particularly focussed on FKK Oase.
I write this as a sobering thought as to what is possible and perhaps moderation should be the order of the day. Then again I have enjoyed my time and wish it to continue further for many years to come.
In conclusion I need to plant a lot of trees in recompense for the massive carbon footprint that I have incurred.
Cheers,
Londonbasketcase
Lbc, you forgot to include time dedicated to R&D, ie time spent reading and writing around here (and some other places, as well)...
I hear your plea - Oh Lord, make me moderate...only not just yet, of course ;-))
NYimes article on economy and its affect on prostitution.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/world/europe/09czechsex.html
In Reno, Nev., the famed Mustang Ranch recently laid off 30 percent of its staff, citing a decline in high-spending clients.
Try explaining this to the unemployment office ;-)
NYimes article on economy and its affect on prostitution.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/world/europe/09czechsex.html
There was a somewhat interesting thread on this topic on the Roemerforum. According to some of those guys, they have spoken with some FKK girls (the infamous Mia from World was one) and many are lamenting that male club traffic is noticeably down. Several male regulars who use to be club fixtures have been seldom or not at all seen since the financial crisis. Many that do visit are only opting for 50 EUR session.
My understanding from some girls is that tourist traffic is also off quite a bit. Not surprising really.
It is however interesting to read about the service standards (both opinions and experiences) in the Palace and GT threads. Makes one scratch one's head a bit.
More and more, guys are talking less about house prices and more about the FKK girls working "selbständig" (as self-employed) and how they can set the price that they want.
Technically this may be true, but there are many factors to consider. There is a house price that is usually (but not always) supported by the management. In this economic climate, I wonder about providers who so blatantly buck the standard prices without good reason.
All clubs are getting hard hit nowadays. I would think that in these times, the buyer with the cash is in a good position. Girls may complain about the 50 EUR sessions, but I doubt that they would walk away from them. At GT, I have a strong feeling that even those 100/60 girls would agree to 75/60 rather than sit around for hours waiting for the next customer.
One board contributor once called my observations "grassy knolly" when I reported about a conclusionary effort on the part of many Palace girls to set an internal service standard and price structure that would insure longer sessions and extras. In addition to this, "extra" extras would be sold such as kissing and GFE. Said board contributor ignored me when I mentioned that a number of Palace girls (current and former) told me this themselves.
I'm not for boycotting any place and I don't usually call for them. But I would suggest that club visitors be firm about sticking to the house prices. I have no problems with extended sessions and paying for legitimate extras. But I think that tipping and succumbing to paying for "extras" such as kissing, GFE, sex in the kino or any other open area, etc. is bad for the overall price structure and bad for service standards.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Hessen Bub
12-10-08, 18:48
to paying for "extras" such as kissing, GFE, sex in the kino or any other open area, etc. is bad for the overall price structure and bad for service standards.
Just to keep the facts: The described practices are NO EXTRAS so there's NO PAYING for it.
HB
There was a somewhat interesting thread on this topic on the Roemerforum. According to some of those guys, they have spoken with some FKK girls (the infamous Mia from World was one) and many are lamenting that male club traffic is noticeably down. Several male regulars who use to be club fixtures have been seldom or not at all seen since the financial crisis.I am hearing this from more and more girls. And I'm gradually beginning to believe it is not just the traditional moaning (EVERY season is bad for wine producers .....). I know of several guys who have financed their poon at the clubs for years on the stock and property markets. They did not get out, and are well down this year, especially if they did it on credit ("auf Pump"). One guy told me it was even more expensive than divorce... and what was worse he still had his wife!
2008 Trip Summary
By the end of 2008 this is my summary of trips made and the split between Hessen, Berlin and Nord Rhein Westfalen (NRW) clubs:
I made a total of 28 separate trips to Germany split between the regions as:
Hessen - 17 Trips
NRW - 10 Trips
Berlin - 1 Trip
Total: 28 trips
I had to cancel 4 trips due to personal commitments (one time), I forgot my passport and did not have time to retrieve it (one time), or I did not get feel like going so I did not go (two times). All four trips missed were to NRW so if I did take them then I would have notched up 14 trips to NRW and 32 trips in total.
In total number of days the split by region is:
Hessen: 46 days of FKK
NRW: 28 days of Sauna clubs
Berlin: 4 days of FKK
Total: 78 days of FKKs and Sauna clubs
As a percentage of 2008 it seems I have spent 21% of my year in the various clubs being 78/366 days as 2008 is a leap year. This is one fifth of my time in 2008!!!
The four trips I missed would have added in another 8 more days making up to 86 days in total but these do not really count, but I did pay for the hotel, flights and car hire to make those trips work.
As the numbers reveal there is a preference for the Hessen FKKs over the NRW sauna clubs regardless that the pricing is more moderate in the NRW sauna clubs and I do like spending time with the lasses there. The tendency for Hessen FKKs is determined by the presence of more of my favourites in that area and particularly focussed on FKK Oase.
I write this as a sobering thought as to what is possible and perhaps moderation should be the order of the day. Then again I have enjoyed my time and wish it to continue further for many years to come.
In conclusion I need to plant a lot of trees in recompense for the massive carbon footprint that I have incurred.
Cheers,
Londonbasketcase
There was a recent article in the Wall Street Journal about individuals who are keeping track of personal statistics for the year just past.
They are compiling statistics, drawing graphs, etc..
Its called something like "personal informatics".
You apparently belong to this group.
My statistics aren't anywhere near yours, unfortunately. Its a question of distance.
I do though thank my lucky stars I don't live anywhere near these clubs.
I'd be totally broke after arranging for direct funds transfers from my bank.
Vito Corleone
12-11-08, 00:33
All clubs are getting hard hit nowadays. I would think that in these times, the buyer with the cash is in a good position. Girls may complain about the 50 EUR sessions, but I doubt that they would walk away from them. At GT, I have a strong feeling that even those 100/60 girls would agree to 75/60 rather than sit around for hours waiting for the next customer.
One board contributor once called my observations "grassy knolly" when I reported about a conclusionary effort on the part of many Palace girls to set an internal service standard and price structure that would insure longer sessions and extras. In addition to this, "extra" extras would be sold such as kissing and GFE. Said board contributor ignored me when I mentioned that a number of Palace girls (current and former) told me this themselves.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Wassup Deda,
I was @ GT last Friday with 3 of my Capos & all the women we sessioned with were 75/60min. I made sure to ask ahead of time before heading to the room. GT was still busy, but not as crowded as I thought it would. Felt more like a busy Thursday night which was great for us as the there were very short/no wait for rooms.
Those women are still @ Palace. Hot women like Czech Gina can usually get away with it, but she was not as busy this trip compared to Feb, June & Aug. Mostly sitting around looking hot as hell. Even my ATF Denisa said "I am lucky because she has too many clients, she now charges new clients 100 euro for 20 minutes." I almost choked on my redbull laughing so hard.
Business must be really slow for the girls as some @ Oase offered 30 min for 30 euro. Tempting, but I would not want to session with them for free.
Wassup Deda,
I was @ GT last Friday with 3 of my Capos & all the women we sessioned with were 75/60min. I made sure to ask ahead of time before heading to the room. GT was still busy, but not as crowded as I thought it would. Felt more like a busy Thursday night which was great for us as the there were very short/no wait for rooms.
Those women are still @ Palace. Hot women like Czech Gina can usually get away with it, but she was not as busy this trip compared to Feb, June & Aug. Mostly sitting around looking hot as hell. Even my ATF Denisa said "I am lucky because she has too many clients, she now charges new clients 100 euro for 20 minutes." I almost choked on my redbull laughing so hard.
Business must be really slow for the girls as some @ Oase offered 30 min for 30 euro. Tempting, but I would not want to session with them for free.
Hello Don Vito,
Please accept my sincere apologies for not being able to attend any meetings last week. Sounds like you had a serious blast.
Unfortunately I had to choose between this upcoming weekend and the last one. Business made last weekend tough.
I'll keep on the lookout for a few of those Oase gals selling on the cheap this weekend. Times is hard, times is hard.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Travelerb69
12-11-08, 01:17
Business must be really slow for the girls as some @ Oase offered 30 min for 30 euro. Tempting, but I would not want to session with them for free.
Hey, that´s a bargain. Which girls?
Vito Corleone
12-11-08, 01:25
Hello Don Vito,
Please accept my sincere apologies for not being able to attend any meetings last week. Sounds like you had a serious blast.
Unfortunately I had to choose between this upcoming weekend and the last one. Business made last weekend tough.
I'll keep on the lookout for a few of those Oase gals selling on the cheap this weekend. Times is hard, times is hard.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Wassup Deda,
I was tempted to send Al Neri to look for you. I told my Capos you were lost in a pitch dark cave & had to feel along the walls to remember your way out!
I forgot the girls names, but 3-4 fat/thick ugly chicks who kept bothering me on the couch. I need to start investing in my own personal Frei/Bezets necklace. Some of these chicks were quite desparate for money. Sounds like they have....... I won't go there.
Vito Corleone
12-11-08, 01:29
Hey, that´s a bargain. Which girls?
Not quite sure, but not attractive at all. 2 were quite fat & hurt. Just sit on the couch & they will approach you. I would have some serious blood flow problems trying to bang those bargain babes.
Ekliges Lauern
12-11-08, 03:07
One board contributor once called my observations "grassy knolly" when I reported about a conclusionary effort on the part of many Palace girls to set an internal service standard and price structure that would insure longer sessions and extras. In addition to this, "extra" extras would be sold such as kissing and GFE. Said board contributor ignored me when I mentioned that a number of Palace girls (current and former) told me this themselves.
I ignored you because you are on my ignore list. Unfortunately I can't ignore you when someone else quotes you so I'll answer you now.
I believe the word you were searching for was "collusionary" not "conclusionary" but I won't dwell on it as I make typos as well.
I have two problems with you "evidence". First of all, conversation in FKKs and Saunas is pretty much nothing but lies. Starting with "I'm from Italy" and ending with "Your dick is so big" and "I'm cumming" I really don't believe a word that comes out of the women's mouths in FKKs. And that's OK. I'm not looking for honesty and integrity in an FKK. The women tell you what you want to hear and you wanted to hear about collusion giving sub-standard service.
My second problem is your credibility. You don't post reviews, so I have no way of judging whether you know what you are talking about. Since I consider almost everything I hear in the context of an FKK a fabrication, I put your statements in that category until I have some way to judge your credibility. Now if you post a review or two and I end up sessioning with the woman in questions, I might change my mind about your credibility. This is why I value the opinion of posters such as Ortos and LBC. They have credibility.
It's really nothing personal, it's just I don't believe you or your sources.
I ignored you because you are on my ignore list. Unfortunately I can't ignore you when someone else quotes you so I'll answer you now.
It's really nothing personal, it's just I don't believe you or your sources.
For someone who is supposed to be ignoring me you devote too much time including me in your rants. Aren't you the same one who was so offended my my decision to visit a different club rather than the one that you were at, that you found it necessary to write an insulting satire about it?
You should try harder to ignore me. Maybe your life will be more fulfilling.
Nothing personal.
Basketcase
12-11-08, 21:25
Theme: Which girls charge €30 for 30 minutes at Oase?
Business must be really slow for the girls as some @ Oase offered 30 min for 30 euro. Tempting, but I would not want to session with them for free.
Hey Vito Corleone,
I have only heard this story of girls at Oase charging €30 for 30 minutes - it seems to have come from a German internet forum. In all my trips to Oase I have not come across any girls or anyone else mentioning this rate. Maybe it is because I am marked as a €100 session that I do not get the bargains on offer.
Vito Corleone, its seems that you are the sage on this - which girls were offering €30 for 30 minutes. For these credit crunch times and the impecunious punter - knowing the value for money proposition is gold indeed in these times of trouble. Please share with us.
My thanks to you in advance,
Cheers,
Londonbasketcase
Basketcase
12-11-08, 21:38
I have two problems with you "evidence". First of all, conversation in FKKs and Saunas is pretty much nothing but lies. Starting with "I'm from Italy" and ending with "Your dick is so big" and "I'm cumming" I really don't believe a word that comes out of the women's mouths in FKKs. And that's OK. I'm not looking for honesty and integrity in an FKK. The women tell you what you want to hear and you wanted to hear about collusion giving sub-standard service.
Dear Radler and Dedalus,
Sorry to change the subject.
First, we do want peace between two seniors that we have respect for both their writings and opinions. You both write well and write interesting points.
Second, in the context that girls tell guys many lies or fabrications - I get told many times that my schlong is the perfect shape for anal sex. Maybe its an a nice way to do an upsell for me to pump their arse for a few seconds to earn €100 extra.
I had one German girl go nuts at me when I fucked her arse and I could not come since I was spunked out from 5 other girls earlier that day including an earlier anal session with another blond girl from the Balkans.
I hope that brings a laugh.
Remember - it is only a game and most of all - we are here for a good time, not a long time.
But for some reason I worked out that I spent 21% of the time in 2008 in a FKK or a saunaclub.
Keep it light and happy.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
Vito Corleone
12-12-08, 02:13
I ignored you because you are on my ignore list. Unfortunately I can't ignore you when someone else quotes you so I'll answer you now.
My second problem is your credibility. You don't post reviews, so I have no way of judging whether you know what you are talking about. Since I consider almost everything I hear in the context of an FKK a fabrication, I put your statements in that category until I have some way to judge your credibility. Now if you post a review or two and I end up sessioning with the woman in questions, I might change my mind about your credibility. This is why I value the opinion of posters such as Ortos and LBC. They have credibility.
It's really nothing personal, it's just I don't believe you or your sources.
Not sure if this is worth much, but I will vouch for Dedalus. Sure he is not a Palace fan & I respect his reasons, but his cred is rock solid. He's been FKKing for a long time all the time (except when I am in town!). His love of bolt-ons is somewhat questionable, but a great guy with plenty of useful info.
Dear Radler and Dedalus,
Sorry to change the subject.
First, we do want peace between two seniors that we have respect for both their writings and opinions. You both write well and write interesting points.
Second, in the context that girls tell guys many lies or fabrications - I get told many times that my schlong is the perfect shape for anal sex. Maybe its an a nice way to do an upsell for me to pump their arse for a few seconds to earn €100 extra.
I had one German girl go nuts at me when I fucked her arse and I could not come since I was spunked out from 5 other girls earlier that day including an earlier anal session with another blond girl from the Balkans.
I hope that brings a laugh.
Remember - it is only a game and most of all - we are here for a good time, not a long time.
But for some reason I worked out that I spent 21% of the time in 2008 in a FKK or a saunaclub.
Keep it light and happy.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
... and a bad way.
When someone has a consistent history of turning disagreements into personal attacks, it just isn't within the scope of acceptable behavior.
Thank goodness for the ignore function. What would we do without it?
Might I make a suggestion to Radler? Two words: Autoerotic asphyxiation.
Try it. Its cheaper than visiting clubs and with a little bit of luck...
Vito Corleone
12-12-08, 03:07
Theme: Which girls charge €30 for 30 minutes at Oase?
Hey Vito Corleone,
I have only heard this story of girls at Oase charging €30 for 30 minutes - it seems to have come from a German internet forum. In all my trips to Oase I have not come across any girls or anyone else mentioning this rate. Maybe it is because I am marked as a €100 session that I do not get the bargains on offer.
Vito Corleone, its seems that you are the sage on this - which girls were offering €30 for 30 minutes. For these credit crunch times and the impecunious punter - knowing the value for money proposition is gold indeed in these times of trouble. Please share with us.
My thanks to you in advance,
Cheers,
Londonbasketcase
Wassup LBC,
None of these women were your type, but here is what I remember.
I do not remember their names. 2 not very attractive & really big boned women (Romanian/Bulgarian?) sat next to me on the couch along the mirror next to the kino on Sunday 11/30. 1st orc around midnight & the 2nd orc around 2:30am. They did not offer right away, but would not take no for an answer & the 2nd orc was quite aggreassive. Licking my nipples & strocking my pipe & after 10 minutes offered 30e for 30 min. Both were brunettes & built like linebackers so I respectfully declined. They complained it was slow & some other crap.
Tuesday 12/2 (maybe Wed) 2 women offered the same deal after 1am. Tried to catch some Z's, but was bothered by 1 desparate Romanian. Not bad looking, but nothing to write home about. Did not remember her name, but was slim with dark hair. The other hurt chick had thunder thighs like a redwood with medium brown hair. This nasty ***** even offered bareback. She asked if I prefered with or without. I had to take a shower after she touched my arm & shoulders.
If guys are looking for bargains then hang around until after midnight, then these women might start offering. I wouldn't go around requesting it, but after turning down a session they might offer. I doubt this would happen on a busy Fri or Sat, but s-th. It got pretty slow after hours & even the hot babes were sitting around talking & fingering themselves. I was on the prowl looking for fine ass babes not discounts so I did not bother to remember the names or even what they looked like. I traveled way too far to session with a way below average thick chick just to save 20e.
Good luck on the discount hunt.
Ekliges Lauern
12-12-08, 04:06
Not sure if this is worth much, but I will vouch for Dedalus.
Hey Vito,
Thanks for this. Appreciate your point of view.
For now the ignore function seems the best option.
Regards,
Radler
town!). His love of bolt-ons is somewhat questionable, but a great guy with plenty of useful info.
Yeah, I'm shallow, I know. Probably comes from having dated mostly small breasted gals in high school and college ;-))
I've considered therapy but occasionally stuffing 50 to 100 fish in the purses of gals like Monika/Palace, Sissy/GT, Danaya/World and Sandra/Paradise seems cheaper and more satisfying.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Dear Radler and Dedalus,
Sorry to change the subject.
First, we do want peace between two seniors that we have respect for both their writings and opinions. You both write well and write interesting points.
Keep it light and happy.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
Hey LBC,
Thanks for your words and efforts, even though they are likely not necessary and in the end probably useless.
Not everyone is meant to see eye to eye and there are those who accept this, and there are those who get belligerent, bitter and needlessly argumentative about it.
I've been fortunate to meet many right fine Gents through this board and a few others. One rotten apple doesn't spoil it for me.
However again, I do indeed appreciate your efforts.
Cheers,
Dedalus, who will probably see you tonight at Oase if he isn't kidnapped for hours by Lina, Judith or Maria first.
Living Room: Closed on the 24th and the 31st, open from 13:00 to 3:00 on the 25th and 26th
Samya: Closed on the 24th, 31st and the first
Blue Note: Closed on the 24th, 25th, 31st and first
Anyone aware of any others?
Warsteiner
12-13-08, 10:59
Living Room: Closed on the 24th and the 31st, open from 13:00 to 3:00 on the 25th and 26th
Samya: Closed on the 24th, 31st and the first
Blue Note: Closed on the 24th, 25th, 31st and first
Anyone aware of any others?
GT: closed on 24th and 31st. 25th and 26th open from 1pm - 1am. Nothing mentioned on the site about the 1st Jan so I presume this will be open normal holiday hours i.e. 1pm - 1am.
World: 24th closed, 25th from 3pm, 31st closed, 1st from 5pm
Palace: 24th closed, 25th/26th open from 6pm, 31st closed, 1st from 6pm
As with all of the clubs you can expect far fewer girls in the clubs over this period as they all go home to visit their families, etc.
I was reading on Youppie that Oase is open on the 25th and the first at 17:00 hours.
I don't know if it is open on the 24th or the 31st though.
Gfe Finder
12-15-08, 04:30
I was reading on Youppie that Oase is open on the 25th and the first at 17:00 hours.
I don't know if it is open on the 24th or the 31st though.
Oase’s website says that they are closed both days.
Basketcase
12-15-08, 23:00
Wassup LBC,
None of these women were your type, but here is what I remember.
I do not remember their names. 2 not very attractive & really big boned women (Romanian/Bulgarian?) sat next to me on the couch along the mirror next to the kino on Sunday 11/30. 1st orc around midnight & the 2nd orc around 2:30am. They did not offer right away, but would not take no for an answer & the 2nd orc was quite aggreassive. Licking my nipples & strocking my pipe & after 10 minutes offered 30e for 30 min. Both were brunettes & built like linebackers so I respectfully declined. They complained it was slow & some other crap.
Tuesday 12/2 (maybe Wed) 2 women offered the same deal after 1am. Tried to catch some Z's, but was bothered by 1 desparate Romanian. Not bad looking, but nothing to write home about. Did not remember her name, but was slim with dark hair. The other hurt chick had thunder thighs like a redwood with medium brown hair. This nasty ***** even offered bareback. She asked if I prefered with or without. I had to take a shower after she touched my arm & shoulders.
If guys are looking for bargains then hang around until after midnight, then these women might start offering. I wouldn't go around requesting it, but after turning down a session they might offer. I doubt this would happen on a busy Fri or Sat, but s-th. It got pretty slow after hours & even the hot babes were sitting around talking & fingering themselves. I was on the prowl looking for fine ass babes not discounts so I did not bother to remember the names or even what they looked like. I traveled way too far to session with a way below average thick chick just to save 20e.
Good luck on the discount hunt.
Hi Vito Corleone,
Thank you for the feedback. I did not find any girls that offered the €30 for 30 minute sessions. I was getting sessions for €50 per half a hour propositions. Mind you I did not ask and nor was I offered the option of €30 for 30 minutes.
I did ask one girl if she knew which girls were offering the value for money option and she said that these girls are bad and create bad business. The price of €50 per half a hour is low enough as it is than to have girls drag the prices down even futher. I know some German girls tell me that they blame the Eastern European girls for keeping the prices low and doing so much more for €50 than what the German girls feel comfortable providing. The rationale being that in Eastern European countries the €50 goes a long way when spent locally but €50 in Germany as spent does not go as far relatively.
Cheers,
Londonbasketcase
Meldenridge
12-18-08, 21:46
Here's a questions for you all:
Has anyone come across a girl that could be a 'dead ringer' (or close) for the lovely Megan Fox? I'd love to find such a gem at a FKK and enjoy her company :-)
Here's a nice pic showing the real Megan Fox: http://images.psxextreme.com/wallpapers/ps3/megan_fox_01.jpg
I guess that would be in one of the Frankfurt based places as I understand the girls rate highly on the looks scale there.
Thanks in advance!
Has anyone come across a girl that could be a 'dead ringer' (or close) for the lovely Megan Fox? I'd love to find such a gem at a FKK and enjoy her company :-)
Don't recall seeing anyone who resembled Megan Fox...did see a girl a couple of years ago who was a dead ringer for Elisha Cuthbert http://pibones.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/elisha_cuthbert.jpg
Basketcase
12-19-08, 01:29
Meldenridge,
I think you'll find someone that will resemble Megan Fox in the FKKs or Saunaclubs. Cannot think of a girl specifically but there are many dark haired girls - I think the style that you are after tends to be found more at Golden Time in Bruggen.
Londonbasketcase
Print out an 8x10 picture of Megan's face, poke a couple eye holes (or not) and attach an elastic band to it, then have a girl with a similar body put it on while you bang her. I assume you'll have to pay extra for that though. Probably quite a bit.
I have a Keri Russell mask I make my dog wear while I'm jerking off. Otherwise, it's kinda creepy when he stares at me. But that only costs me a fuckin' snausage.
I have a Keri Russell mask I make my dog wear while I'm jerking off. Otherwise, it's kinda creepy when he stares at me. But that only costs me a fuckin' snausage.
This is a useless post. What good does this do the board? You didnt list what your dog's name is, what club she works at, color of her hair, if she does anal or not (if its a male we have to assume that's given ;-)....also, does she upcharge once she's in the room? Does she do threesome's with the dog next door? what's her favorite positions? doggystyle?
what's her favorite positions? doggystyle?
That should be already given :=)
She/or he should be more creative and found another position named "human style" or let's say it in a different way: "manny style".
Vito Corleone
12-20-08, 03:09
Here's a questions for you all:
Has anyone come across a girl that could be a 'dead ringer' (or close) for the lovely Megan Fox? I'd love to find such a gem at a FKK and enjoy her company :-)
Here's a nice pic showing the real Megan Fox: http://images.psxextreme.com/wallpapers/ps3/megan_fox_01.jpg
I guess that would be in one of the Frankfurt based places as I understand the girls rate highly on the looks scale there.
Thanks in advance!
Try Jane @ FKK Auto Messe
Need some advise, I will be headed to Mannheim for a 1 night stop over before continuing my journey to Paris on the Debahn from Frankfurt. I will be arriving in Frankfurt at about 9pm.
Looking for some FKK club in or near Mannheim, as I will have a trolley bag, it my not be so convenient to be headed straight to an FKK club in Frankfurt,
Unless any kind soul can help me plan out an itinerary to get me from Frankfurt Airport to a nearby FKK club and thereafter to Mannheim DeBahn Train Station where my hotel is situated,
I will have to head to Mannheim after landing in Frankfurt and choose an FKK near Mannheim,
I have researched Paradise and Feignblatt FKK Clubs in Worms, supposedly near Mannheim. And another in Weinheim called Palace,
May I know how far these places are from Mannheim and whether it is feasible to hop on a taxi to take me to these places? And how much it would cost me by taxi and how far they are away, 20km? 20mins by taxi?
And if FKK clubs are out of the Question, then are there alternatives in Mannheim, Street walkers? Call girls? Escorts?
Inspired by a PM I got from Excess, let me be the first one on this forum to send my New Year's message to the forum by using the word which rings in my ears from visits to Bernds; the same word that Connie uses to announce to the girls that there is a new guest at the front door.
This announcement is always followed by the click of heels on the floor as someone runs to the front door to greet that guest. Pretty soon, a fresh faced clothed dude is ushered in; sometimes quite aware of what transpires behind the doors of this rather modest home, sometimes not quite sure what earthly delights await him.
The worldly are never jaded. The innocent are soon inducted into the secret world and are forever changed (sometimes not for the better, unfortunately).
So is it not fitting to announce a New Year by using the same word? A New Year = a new door opening, another season of club visits, another season of naked nymphs prancing, another year of hope and change in the realm of FKK clubs.
Hoping we all have a great 2009!
Cocoon and Amnesia have now the same concept. New for me no idee if it will work!
http://www.mcfick.org/
Tageskarte für nur 19,- €
Gültig für einen ganzen Tag innerhalb der Öffnungszeiten
Monats-Abo für
nur unglaubliche 99,- €
30 Tage uneingeschränkten Eintritt innerhalb der Öffnungszeiten
Regards,
Big30
Cocoon and Amnesia have now the same concept. New for me no idee if it will work!
http://www.mcfick.org/
Regards,
Big30The new entry fees are: 19 Euros for entry on any single day, 99 Euros for a unlimited entry during a whole month!
Sure beats the Happy Hour pricing where they had reduced rates if you got there before 2 PM and in the evening.
It certain is a move in the right direction particularly if they are interested in building a Stammkunde. The only thing I wonder about is what they do about reduced number of rooms at Cocoon.
Since they lost access to the hotel next door, the club has less capacity which explains the drop off in women who work there and the drop off in customers. I am hoping it will make a comeback.
Is the 19 and 99 entry good for both clubs? ie pay at one and enter free at the other?
Is the 19 and 99 entry good for both clubs? ie pay at one and enter free at the other?But that offer appears on the top page before you branch off to visit the individual club sites.
I had an impression that they were having hard time to fill the place when I was there in end of August.Everything was there but no customers for some reason.At the end they come up with this solution I hope it works.Otherwise it will be shame to loose that great place..I had a enjoyable afternoon there.
The new entry fees are: 19 Euros for entry on any single day, 99 Euros for a unlimited entry during a whole month!I have a feeling from price list now they charge for soft drinks and food.Also ladies charge hasn't mentioned at all.So It could be anything?
I was planing to be there in March.I hope they will be more informative.
Sorry, most likely I am placing this in the wrong spot but I could not find another option. Yes, I am new here and do have a question.
I appreciate what everybody is contributing here, it really helped me in Asia. I am going to Germany near Muenster in Mai, would you know good places to visit around there. I do speak german too and like the FKK idea.
Thanks for your advice.
Here is the link for how to get to FKK OASE from airport
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/4219833/11341019
Hope this helps
The word is Verkehr and this is from a postcard which I bought years ago and refound the other day.
In Hessen: Verkehr.
In Baden-Wuerttemberg: Ferker.
In Schleswig-Holstein: Vaerkeer.
In Niedersachsen: Pherkehr.
In Mecklenburg-Vorpommern: Fackeer.
In Bayern: Vaerkaer.
Ekliges Lauern
01-02-09, 21:21
There is something else which has been gnawing at me. I do like to try a variety of clubs, even if it means moving out of my comfort zone, and cherish a challenge in entering unfamiliar waters and successfully navigating the new territory. The drawback is, that in these instances, I'm not only a new face to the working staff, I also don't have my own database and familiarity with the environment to make the most out of these visits.
At the 2 clubs that I visit most, Bernd's and Oase, I have my favorites, but know enough about the others, and also know how to solicit missing information, so that I can easily manage good sessions even if none of my favorites are available. Walking into Samya that night, and Palace a week and a half later, I was clearly lacking the knowledge and local nuances to maximize my time in the club. I have enough FKK smarts and experience to still be able to salvage these visits, but it's not as effortless or the same "value for money".
I think this is where we part ways. I'm not really looking for "value for money" as opposed to the quality of sexual experiences. Frankly, time and the number of sessions I can physically manage is more of a limiting factor than Euro for me. If one's criteria is simply "value for money", I can think of two better alternatives. First is the Partytreff scene with the "all you can fuck" pricing model. Second is Thailand. I'm sure there are more down market places than that if you really look.
I like a mixture of sessions with favorite girls as well as trying new girls. Same thing with clubs. I never would have run into Sophie (now an ATF) had I not gotten pissed off at GT after a mediocre day and been incented to branch out and try a club I had never visited.
Right now my personal club ranking is:
1. Palace
2. Oase
3. F39
4. GT
Oase and GT move up to numbers one and two in nice weather. I'm pretty familiar with the following clubs and either do not visit or once a year at most simply to check if anything has changed:
1. Bernds
2. PHG
3. VV
4. World
5. ColA
While I fully understand the value of building relationships with the girls (and frequenting the same clubs), I visit FKKs because I am inherently non-monogamous. What some of us don't understand is some of the guys that limit their club visits to just a few clubs and only session with the same women, is why not just get yourself a civilian girlfriend (or two)? If you are looking for an intimate experience, it's probably a better approach than the FKKs.
I won't stop visiting other clubs, because I like the hunt and the search for that diamond in the rough. But I am asking myself, as well as the rest of you, if in these economic crunch times, wouldn't it be more prudent to limit our visits to the clubs that maximize our investment and guarantee satisfaction, rather than continue the exciting but often less fulfilling search for the holy grail?
No holy grails out there, just a string of experiences. In the same way I try to visit a new country every year, I try to visit a new FKK as well. Once in a while, you discover a gem. I'll probably stop, or severely limit, my FKK visits if I lose my source of income. I've been through unemployment before and severely restricted my FKK visits then (and gave up on FT as a paid extra). As with a lot of people, my earnings declined in 2008. My investments did as well, but it wasn't as bad as it could have been. I'll tighten my belt in other ways (give up movie channels on CATV, etc.) before I go to Bernds or Partytreffs for "value for money" reasons. Just my personal choice for how best to spend my money.
Ekliges Lauern
01-03-09, 01:31
I was reading a review recently, and the combination of one the woman's nationality, age, location and other details provided could potentially identify her outside of the club. As we depend on privacy and anonymity, so do the women. I would hate to think of the impact on her life if her family found out what she was up to.
In this instance, I attempted to PM the poster to urge him to edit the post deleting a couple of very specific details that could be used to identify her outside the club. Unfortunately, his mail box was full.
A good rule of thumb to use is to take the details in the review and ask, how many women do you think match this description. If the answer is likely a handful or less, or even one, you are putting the woman's anonymity in danger.
Sorry, most likely I am placing this in the wrong spot but I could not find another option. Yes, I am new here and do have a question.
I appreciate what everybody is contributing here, it really helped me in Asia. I am going to Germany near Muenster in Mai, would you know good places to visit around there. I do speak german too and like the FKK idea.
Thanks for your advice.
.. for visits to Partytreffs.
It is just about Partytreff Central with three PTs within striking distance of each other.
More on this under the PT thread.
If you are into FKK clubs, the closest really good one is Zeus in Osnabrueck-Wallenhorst.
I think this is where we part ways. I'm not really looking for "value for money" as opposed to the quality of sexual experiences. Frankly, time and the number of sessions I can physically manage is more of a limiting factor than Euro for me. If one's criteria is simply "value for money", I can think of two better alternatives. First is the Partytreff scene with the "all you can fuck" pricing model. Second is Thailand. I'm sure there are more down market places than that if you really look.
I like a mixture of sessions with favorite girls as well as trying new girls. Same thing with clubs.
Actually, we agree about this. I am also looking for quality experiences. "Value for Money" is not synonomous in my dictionary with "cheap", but receiving the best possible service for the invested financial level. Thankfully, I don't need to look for down market experiences, and can afford to pay for higher levels of service. It's just very important to me, as it is in my non-mongering life as well, that the promised service at the promised skill level is provided.
I still regularly visit Partytreffs and make a trip to Thailand whenever my crazy schedule allows. I'm not looking for the cheap version of "value for money" in these visits, although I am certainly not averse as a born New Yorker to getting a good deal, but rather to exprerience a variety of sexual scenarios and escapades. That's what keeps it interesting for me- to try the unknown, to sample some more so-called forbidden pleasures.
It's also why, I will often go to clubs out of my comfort zone; in 2008, other than Oase and Bernd's, I vistited Artemis, GT, VV, Living Room, Samya, F39, Cocoon, Finca, World and Palace. I've also been to swinger clubs, private houses, escort services, pick-up bars and strip joints. So I can't be accused of being risk averse and unwilling to experiment, or that I'm trying to save a buck.
While I fully understand the value of building relationships with the girls (and frequenting the same clubs), I visit FKKs because I am inherently non-monogamous. What some of us don't understand is some of the guys that limit their club visits to just a few clubs and only session with the same women, is why not just get yourself a civilian girlfriend (or two)? If you are looking for an intimate experience, it's probably a better approach than the FKKs.
No holy grails out there, just a string of experiences. In the same way I try to visit a new country every year, I try to visit a new FKK as well. Once in a while, you discover a gem.
I understand your approach to this, but disagree to some extent. The value of having an FKK ATF, as you have with Sophie, is that she feels comfortable with you and therefore more likely to open herself more. Familiarity may breed contempt, but it also is an opening point for greater intimacy. A pefect FKK session IMO, is one in which there is some sense of that allusive mutual intimacy. These are very hard to come by, and almost impossible without some prior acquaintance. I have had some, and these are the real gems.
The advantage of the FKK scene is that, at the end of the day, she stays in the FKK and you go home, keeping to your non- monogomous ways. It's a perfect FWB relationship.
I'll tighten my belt in other ways (give up movie channels on CATV, etc.) before I go to Bernds or Partytreffs for "value for money" reasons. Just my personal choice for how best to spend my money.
It's your money, and you should spend it how you want. I disagree though with the idea that either of these are only good as "value for money" alternatives.
As I alluded to above, I go to Bernd's, which is not a "cheap" club with the 70 Euro entry fee, because the sessions are uniformly great and the atmosphere is unmatched anywhere in the FKK universe. It may not be your cup of tea, but it is my elixir of youth. The added bonus is that there's no charge for most of the popular extras.
I continue to go to partytreffs which you could classify as cheap "value for money" alternatives due to the relative price per pop, because I like the open anything goes type of sexual activity, and some of the craziest times in my life have happened in a partytreff environment. Again, it's an unmatched type of scene, and the only thing that comes close is the great Lady Marmalade Party in London (which I also frequent) and that's certainly not a "cheap" alternative.
Appreciate your thoughts on this and wishing you and everyone else here, a happy and fulfilling year of mongering in 2009.
Jimmy Boy 99
01-03-09, 18:43
I was reading a review recently, and the combination of one the woman's nationality, age, location and other details provided could potentially identify her outside of the club. As we depend on privacy and anonymity, so do the women. I would hate to think of the impact on her life if her family found out what she was up to.
In this instance, I attempted to PM the poster to urge him to edit the post deleting a couple of very specific details that could be used to identify her outside the club. Unfortunately, his mail box was full.
A good rule of thumb to use is to take the details in the review and ask, how many women do you think match this description. If the answer is likely a handful or less, or even one, you are putting the woman's anonymity in danger.
Good point. For the particular review you have in mind, ask Jackson to modify the post to remove the identifying information. He did that when I asked him to remove some information from a post I had submitted which was too detailed.
Ekliges Lauern
01-03-09, 19:35
Good point. For the particular review you have in mind, ask Jackson to modify the post to remove the identifying information. He did that when I asked him to remove some information from a post I had submitted which was too detailed.Jackson will not edit the posts of other members based on a request unless it violates the board rules.
I'm not going to identify the poster publically as it would draw attention to the review. I urge those that have recently posted reviews to go back and re-read them and ask yourself if the details provided could potentially identify any of the women outside the club. If so, edit the review removing a detail or two to make it less likely the woman could be identified.
In this instance, I attempted to PM the poster to urge him to edit the post deleting a couple of very specific details that could be used to identify her outside the club. Unfortunately, his mail box was full.
Sorry to disappoint. I suggest you add me to your ignore list as I am doing with you.
The private messages can store 200 messages, highly unlikely someone's box gets that many pm's. Are you sure your not on his ignore list?
Ekliges Lauern
01-06-09, 03:26
Actually, we agree about this. I am also looking for quality experiences. "Value for Money" is not synonomous in my dictionary with "cheap", but receiving the best possible service for the invested financial level. Thankfully, I don't need to look for down market experiences, and can afford to pay for higher levels of service. It's just very important to me, as it is in my non-mongering life as well, that the promised service at the promised skill level is provided.
Well, I do think there is a clearly heirarchy of clubs in terms of the appearance of the women. Of the clubs I regularly visit, I'd put Palace at the top, closely followed by Oase and GT. F39 is a step down, the women are more girl next door types. Based on my visits Bernds, I'd put the appearance of the women a step down from F39.
Don't get me wrong, I tend to go for women in the middle of the pack appearance-wise. It's not a conscious thing, it's just the way my radar and my dick guide me. LBC would not fuck some of the women I find hot.
The girls in the clubs are there to make money. Aside from comfort level with a given club, the women gravitate to clubs where they can maximize their earnings. I was speaking to a top girl at a club who seemed to be considering moving on to another club. She is constantly busy and seems to have quite a few regulars. Reason she is considering moving on is to maximize her earnings (higher pricing on extras, etc.)
Witness the Summer-Winter migration between GT and Palace. Mara, a top act at Bernds would probably be a mid-tier pick (mostly based on appearance) at GT or Oase. She would probably develop a Regi-like following over time.
Svenja is another case in point. She is a very nice lady and I've had enjoyable sessions with her at Bernds. She's probably in the top third, appearance-wise, of the women at Bernds. If you put her at Palace, Oase or GT, she's probably in the lower half appearance-wise. Again, she's a delightful lady and delivers a nice sessions. Ask yourself why she does an FT session at Bernds for 50E that would fetch her 75E at GT or 100E at Palace or Oase. It is likely because she would session less frequently at any of these clubs because of the competition.
As far as promised service levels, the only thing the women promise you is that you will get sucked and fucked. They make no promises that they are any good at either activity. It is through observation, chemistry, and yes, the elusive ISG review that we seperate the wheat from the chafe. For me, skill in a blowjob is very important. I look for women that know how to give a sensuous blowjob where they keep their teeth out of the way. Czech Linda was the gold standard. I've had toothy blowjobs at Bernds (Princess comes to mind). I've had great blowjobs at other clubs. Only way I've learned to decide is to observe the girls BJ technique (couch action at F39, Kino at other clubs).
I'm not looking for the cheap version of "value for money" in these visits, although I am certainly not averse as a born New Yorker to getting a good deal....
I'll probably get flamed for relaying this but I have to share this story. I was negotiating a project with a "born New Yorker" type last year. I had delt with him in the past, he was always trying to find a way to negotiate a discount. We price our services based on costs plus a modest margin and price the same for all clients, except for our best clients were we discount based on the relationship. I told my boss I didn't want to deal with this guy as frankly he was more annoying than the business was worth. My boss's response was, "Inflate the price by 20%", let him negotiate the price down by 10% and let him think he got a good deal.
Moral of the story, sometimes you only think you got a good deal.
Maybe this is why I can swim with the sharks at Palace without getting bit. I understand their motivation.
I understand your approach to this, but disagree to some extent. The value of having an FKK ATF, as you have with Sophie, is that she feels comfortable with you and therefore more likely to open herself more. Familiarity may breed contempt, but it also is an opening point for greater intimacy. A pefect FKK session IMO, is one in which there is some sense of that allusive mutual intimacy. These are very hard to come by, and almost impossible without some prior acquaintance. I have had some, and these are the real gems.
Sophie is a bad example. Sophie is selling GFE, a really nice suck and fuck with a sense of intimacy from day one. Sure it does get a little better with repeated sessions, but it's pretty damn good from the first session. The first time I was with Sophie, I stayed in the room for 1 1/2 hours and two pops. That never has happened with any other woman.
Sophie is smart and she is all about maximizing her earnings. The way she does it is keeping you in the room with the clock running as long as possible. Nobody does it better, as far as I am concerned.
At the end of the day, it is all an illusion. Sophie provides that same sense of intimacy to ten guys a day (and half of the ISG senior members it would seem).
It's your money, and you should spend it how you want. I disagree though with the idea that either of these are only good as "value for money" alternatives.
You may like them for reasons other than cheapness, to each his on. However, your initial thesis was that with the financial downturn, more mongers will turn to "value for money" clubs. FKKs are so riduculously cheap by North American standards, that I see no need to cut corners for "value for money".
As I alluded to above, I go to Bernd's, which is not a "cheap" club with the 70 Euro entry fee, because the sessions are uniformly great and the atmosphere is unmatched anywhere in the FKK universe. It may not be your cup of tea, but it is my elixir of youth. The added bonus is that there's no charge for most of the popular extras.
I continue to go to partytreffs which you could classify as cheap "value for money" alternatives due to the relative price per pop, because I like the open anything goes type of sexual activity, and some of the craziest times in my life have happened in a partytreff environment.
Two comments, I can get uniformly great sessions at any club I frequent on a regular basis (including Palace) simply by sticking to known favorite ladies. It is when sessioning with a new girl when the risk of a less than stellar session occurs. I tend to only badly misfire under very unusual circumstances (F39 between Xmas and New Years, most regulars not present, sellers market or VV). It is the risk that I am willing to take to find new ATFs, such as Sophie.
Second, you can't deny your inner cheapness when making statements like "added bonus is that there's no charge for most of the popular extras" and "due to the relative price per pop". I suspect you object because of the negative connotations of the word. May I sugest an alternative word, Geiz perhaps? You can take "Geiz ist geil." as a motto. I understand Saturn isn't using it any more. Bonus points if you can get Bernds to adopt it as their motto.
Appreciate your thoughts on this and wishing you and everyone else here, a happy and fulfilling year of mongering in 2009.
Likewise, a happy 2009 with many mongering opportunities. In the end, it is all a matter of personal taste and what one enjoys. There is no right answer for everyone.
Ekliges Lauern
01-06-09, 03:43
Mongers should treat Bernds with the same reverance that Muslims treat Mecca. Every monger has a religious obligation to visit Bernds once in his lifetime.
I'm even willing to face Bernds and pray five times a day in gratitude for creating the FKK concept. I just like other FKKs better for my pilgrimages having fullfilled my religious obligations.
CBGBConnisur
01-08-09, 15:14
Wouldn't most Muslim guys be turned away from this "Mecca"? I heard people complain about Sankt Augustine, Bernd's old sister club having a racist door policy.
Wouldn't most Muslim guys be turned away from this "Mecca"? I heard people complain about Sankt Augustine, Bernd's old sister club having a racist door policy. Yeah, I heard the same about Seventh-day Adventist. I mean, like, they spot them out right away and don't let them in the club. They are really good at reading your mind and finding out your religion, like telepathic and shit like that. Bummer man.
Well, I do think there is a clearly heirarchy of clubs in terms of the appearance of the women. Of the clubs I regularly visit, I'd put Palace at the top, closely followed by Oase and GT. F39 is a step down, the women are more girl next door types. Based on my visits Bernds, I'd put the appearance of the women a step down from F39.
Don't get me wrong, I tend to go for women in the middle of the pack appearance-wise. It's not a conscious thing, it's just the way my radar and my dick guide me.
I put Oase above Palace, and agree that Bernd's is not on the top of the list. I also don't go most of the time for the model types, since many of them are too caught up in themselves to provide good service. Many, not all. Leonie at Bernd's is a great exception to this rule. Each of us knows of others.
The girls in the clubs are there to make money. Aside from comfort level with a given club, the women gravitate to clubs where they can maximize their earnings. I was speaking to a top girl at a club who seemed to be considering moving on to another club. She is constantly busy and seems to have quite a few regulars. Reason she is considering moving on is to maximize her earnings (higher pricing on extras, etc.)
Witness the Summer-Winter migration between GT and Palace. Mara, a top act at Bernds would probably be a mid-tier pick (mostly based on appearance) at GT or Oase. She would probably develop a Regi-like following over time.
Svenja is another case in point. She is a very nice lady and I've had enjoyable sessions with her at Bernds. She's probably in the top third, appearance-wise, of the women at Bernds. If you put her at Palace, Oase or GT, she's probably in the lower half appearance-wise. Again, she's a delightful lady and delivers a nice sessions. Ask yourself why she does an FT session at Bernds for 50E that would fetch her 75E at GT or 100E at Palace or Oase. It is likely because she would session less frequently at any of these clubs because of the ccompetition.
Actually, I know the reason for that. Alot of the women who work in the smaller clubs, prefer the ambience and more controlled structure of these clubs. They are also less "transactional" in mindset. True, it could be that they know that they may not cut it at the big clubs like GT and Oase, but it's also true that many of them prefer the clubs based on return stammgest business, rather than the tourist centered clubs.
As far as promised service levels, the only thing the women promise you is that you will get sucked and fucked. They make no promises that they are any good at either activity.
IMO, promised FKK service levels should always include couch action, DFK, BBBJ, and DATY. A worker at one of these clubs providing these services, is expected to be a proficient at what she does.
You may like them for reasons other than cheapness, to each his on. However, your initial thesis was that with the financial downturn, more mongers will turn to "value for money" clubs. FKKs are so riduculously cheap by North American standards, that I see no need to cut corners for "value for money".
I wasn't professing an initial thesis, rather contemplating if we shouldn't rein ourselves in more and concentrate more on those places that have repeatedly proven that they provide us with the service that we're seeking, rather than widening our horizons, moving out of our comfort zones, and opening ourselves up to having less than satisfactory experiences. I have no doubt that you have a much better time at Palace than I did (I know- I still owe a report). I still went to Palace, not for value for money, but because, it exists in the FKK universe in which I have a keen interest. I could have chosen that night to go to Oase, at which I feel much more comfortable and have had innumerable great experiences.
you can't deny your inner cheapness when making statements like "added bonus is that there's no charge for most of the popular extras" and "due to the relative price per pop".
That's taking what I wrote out of context.
Here's what I wrote about Bernd's:
"I go to Bernd's, which is not a "cheap" club with the 70 Euro entry fee, because the sessions are uniformly great and the atmosphere is unmatched anywhere in the FKK universe. It may not be your cup of tea, but it is my elixir of youth. The added bonus is that there's no charge for most of the popular extras."
It's an added bonus, and as has been adequately documented on this forum, is not the motivatior for me going there. I don't actively seek out FT providers, but I enjoy CIM and COB if that's what follows the flow of the action. It's nice to know that it's on the menu even if I don't order it, because I could be hungry later, and it kills the mood to get the price list and have to negotiate in the heat of passion. How does that show my "inner cheapness"?
Here's what I wrote about PT's:
"I continue to go to partytreffs which you could classify as cheap "value for money" alternatives due to the relative price per pop, because I like the open anything goes type of sexual activity, and some of the craziest times in my life have happened in a partytreff environment."
I wrote that you could classify it as a cheap value for money alternative because of the price per pop. That that is not the reason that I go to these clubs- some times I like to experience more wilder, open and even kinkier sexual environments for variety's sake. How does that show my "inner cheapness"?
Wouldn't most Muslim guys be turned away from this "Mecca"? I heard people complain about Sankt Augustine, Bernd's old sister club having a racist door policy.
But then again I wasn't really paying attention either.
Will someone approach Connie the next time they are at Bernds and ask her if there was such a policy?
She was the main Thekenfrau at the Sankt Augustine-Meindorf club and she would tell you (if you catch her in a good mood).
Come to think of it, I can't remember many Turkish clients at Bernds either. The mix of Bernds guests is quite distinctively skewed.
The mix of Bernds guests is quite distinctively skewed.
I would probably put it a bit differently. The mix of Bernd's guests is quite distinctively screwed (only in a carnal sense))!! The ROD's and other posts describe this very eloquently.
I have to say that I have observed guests of a number of hues at Bernd's and not seen any hesitation of the girls to spend time in or out the rooms with them. I do recall several different Japanese and Chinese guests, at least one Afro-American, and several Indian/Pakistani guests. I would have spoken with all of them, some of them extensively and none expressed any concern about their treatment overt or otherwise and on the contrary were frankly knocked-out at being in one of the historic inns in FKKland.
Granted a limited sample, but one based upon personal observation rather than hearsay.
I put Oase above Palace, and agree that Bernd's is not on the top of the list. I also don't go most of the time for the model types, since many of them are too caught up in themselves to provide good service. Many, not all. Leonie at Bernd's is a great exception to this rule. Each of us knows of others.
Actually, I know the reason for that. Alot of the women who work in the smaller clubs, prefer the ambience and more controlled structure of these clubs. They are also less "transactional" in mindset. True, it could be that they know that they may not cut it at the big clubs like GT and Oase, but it's also true that many of them prefer the clubs based on return stammgest business, rather than the tourist centered clubs.
IMO, promised FKK service levels should always include couch action, DFK, BBBJ, and DATY. A worker at one of these clubs providing these services, is expected to be a proficient at what she does.
I wasn't professing an initial thesis, rather contemplating if we shouldn't rein ourselves in more and concentrate more on those places that have repeatedly proven that they provide us with the service that we're seeking, rather than widening our horizons, moving out of our comfort zones, and opening ourselves up to having less than satisfactory experiences. I have no doubt that you have a much better time at Palace than I did (I know- I still owe a report). I still went to Palace, not for value for money, but because, it exists in the FKK universe in which I have a keen interest. I could have chosen that night to go to Oase, at which I feel much more comfortable and have had innumerable great experiences.
That's taking what I wrote out of context.
Here's what I wrote about Bernd's:
"I go to Bernd's, which is not a "cheap" club with the 70 Euro entry fee, because the sessions are uniformly great and the atmosphere is unmatched anywhere in the FKK universe. It may not be your cup of tea, but it is my elixir of youth. The added bonus is that there's no charge for most of the popular extras."
It's an added bonus, and as has been adequately documented on this forum, is not the motivatior for me going there. I don't actively seek out FT providers, but I enjoy CIM and COB if that's what follows the flow of the action. It's nice to know that it's on the menu even if I don't order it, because I could be hungry later, and it kills the mood to get the price list and have to negotiate in the heat of passion. How does that show my "inner cheapness"?
Here's what I wrote about PT's:
"I continue to go to partytreffs which you could classify as cheap "value for money" alternatives due to the relative price per pop, because I like the open anything goes type of sexual activity, and some of the craziest times in my life have happened in a partytreff environment."
I wrote that you could classify it as a cheap value for money alternative because of the price per pop. That that is not the reason that I go to these clubs- some times I like to experience more wilder, open and even kinkier sexual environments for variety's sake. How does that show my "inner cheapness"?
... looking for a good price-value relationship or what is called in German a Preisleistungsverhaeltnis.
Tough times require tough measures. One has to decide for himself whether he is getting the maximum "bang for the buck", where he is getting his needs met.
Its a large global market out there. My alternative when I was contemplating my last romp in Deutschland was Montreal but I have issues with the selection process there and I don't get the kind of variety I find in Deutschland.
I also am of the view that there are women who deliver good service, there are women who provide good visuals and there are women who provide both good service and good visuals.
The latter group is hard to find.
There are average women who provide good service and terrible service. At the same time there are stunners who provide good service and terrible service. Its all in what you consider to be a priority and how well you screen to find your object of lust.
Overall, the average chick provides an average experience. Its usually nothing to write home about, at least for me. Its when she takes that experience and makes it into a Girlfriend Experience that I think she's gone the extra mile. A GFE, in my mind though, has nothing to do with that alphabet soup of abbreviations which most guys use to create a GFE equation.
Women I consider a GFE are women who remember me when I return and know what I like and dislike. I don't like visiting clubs where the women don't want to be bothered with this kind of thing.
What I wonder about is how anyone can say that a thirty minute session was a GFE. I say this because when I've been with real girlfriends, she would never stand up after thirty minutes and start making the bed. I enjoy poking for the sake of poking and if she gets me in the mood, we can have very long poking sessions with conversation and breaks thrown in every now and then.
This is my definition of what a GFE is about.
This is why I like PTs. If I find someone I can get along with there, I've had super long poking sessions there without a clock ticking in the background. That "if" is the challenge but not having to watch the meter is a big incentive.
Perfecting one's observation skills is key. Visually stunning women who get no action are suspect in my book. We are talking Optikfick here. The regulars have them figured out and you are bucking the common wisdom to go with a chick like that. There are a lot of really good looking women who are duds personality wise or who provide terrible service.
Then there are plain Janes out there who are constantly booked. They, in my mind, are the ones you should make a beeline for. The proof is that there are already guys who do.
The two extremes for clubs are the neighborhood, Stammgast-oriented clubs on one extreme and the large, tourist-oriented clubs on the other extreme. The women gravitate to the clubs which best suit their tendencies and likes-dislikes: The relationship-oriented inhabit the first type of club, the more transactional inhabit the second type of club.
My preferences are known on this issue but everyone should go out and form their own preferences.
All I ask is that if you stick with what you like.
Italy 1974
01-09-09, 17:35
If my memory is still good a canadian guy of clear indian origin showed up at Bernd's on the same day of the first ISG international meeting.
And he has been treated very well by the girls.
He fucked 4 girls in less than 6 hours!
PS: I think it's time to organize another ISG meeting.
I would like to set up a meeting in Germany and an "exotic" one in Bangkok!
What do you think?
Regards,
Italy 1974
I would probably put it a bit differently. The mix of Bernd's guests is quite distinctively screwed (only in a carnal sense))!! The ROD's and other posts describe this very eloquently.
I have to say that I have observed guests of a number of hues at Bernd's and not seen any hesitation of the girls to spend time in or out the rooms with them. I do recall several different Japanese and Chinese guests, at least one Afro-American, and several Indian/Pakistani guests. I would have spoken with all of them, some of them extensively and none expressed any concern about their treatment overt or otherwise and on the contrary were frankly knocked-out at being in one of the historic inns in FKKland.
Granted a limited sample, but one based upon personal observation rather than hearsay.
Basketcase
01-09-09, 19:53
If my memory is still good a canadian guy of clear indian origin showed up at Bernd's on the same day of the first ISG international meeting. And he has been treated very well by the girls. He fucked 4 girls in less than 6 hours!
PS: I think it's time to organize another ISG meeting.
Hi Italy 1974,
I also understand that another Asian man from the midlands of Gross Britannia was also admitted to Bernds for a decent period of sucking and fucking. He has written of his exploits before on another forum.
I may be able to set aside a weekday visit to take the haij to Bernds Mecca to pay homage to the Mufti.
Regards
Londonbasketcase
Ekliges Lauern
01-09-09, 22:04
Hi Italy 1974,
I also understand that another Asian man from the midlands of Gross Britannia was also admitted to Bernds for a decent period of sucking and fucking. He has written of his exploits before on another forum.
I may be able to set aside a weekday visit to take the haij to Bernds Mecca to pay homage to the Mufti.
Regards
Londonbasketcase
Bernds to the best of my knowledge does not turn folks away based on race.
A friend who was twice turned away at GT (persumably based on race, but I have no desire to resurrect that argument) had no problem being admitted at Bernds.
Ekliges Lauern
01-10-09, 20:12
I put Oase above Palace, and agree that Bernd's is not on the top of the list. I also don't go most of the time for the model types, since many of them are too caught up in themselves to provide good service. Many, not all. Leonie at Bernd's is a great exception to this rule. Each of us knows of others. Reasonable people can disagree on ranking of appearances of the women at Palace, Oase and GT. They are really not that far apart.
As mentioned, I tend to go to the middle of the pack for a couple reasons. An almost sure fire way to select a woman for good service is to find a woman who is average in looks who is constantly busy.
I like having a high quotient of eye candy for a few of reasons. First, the middle of the pack is pretty damn good. Second, once in a blue moon, I like to go for a stunning young woman, early 20s, blond, flawless body with a "barely legal" look. I know going into it the service will not be stellar, but sometimes you just really want to fuck a fantasy woman. Lastly, I like looking at naked or scantily clad women. I really, really like it. Having a higher appearance quotient makes the experience more enjoyable.
Actually, I know the reason for that. Alot of the women who work in the smaller clubs, prefer the ambience and more controlled structure of these clubs. They are also less "transactional" in mindset. True, it could be that they know that they may not cut it at the big clubs like GT and Oase, but it's also true that many of them prefer the clubs based on return stammgest business, rather than the tourist centered clubs.Well, I did mention comfort level as a factor, alluding to what you stated. However, you can never really know women's motivations. They tell you one thing and do another. FKK women I think are even more skewed that civilian women.
Ortos alluded that Czech Linda is working her way through the Hessen big three trying to figure out which will maximize her earning. I suspect if Linda is still in the game ten years from now, she will be working at Bernds telling customers that she prefers the ambience and the more controlled structure on Bernds.
IMO, promised FKK service levels should always include couch action, DFK, BBBJ, and DATY. A worker at one of these clubs providing these services, is expected to be a proficient at what she does. Yep, meant BBBJ. Covered BJ is unacceptable (unless that is your preference). I don't really care one way or another on DFK and DATY. I rarely indulge in DATY in a club (weirdly I tend to reserve that for civilian girls. DFK is part of the girlfriend illusion which is inconguent with having a girl blow you to completion in public.
Couch action is variable by club. F39 and Bernds are the only clubs I frequent where it is still common. You can make it happen at Palace or Oase, but almost no girl will initiate it. The Kino seems to have replaced the couch at most clubs. This is why I will not go to clubs without a Kino.
I wasn't professing an initial thesis, rather contemplating if we shouldn't rein ourselves in more and concentrate more on those places that have repeatedly proven that they provide us with the service that we're seeking, rather than widening our horizons, moving out of our comfort zones, and opening ourselves up to having less than satisfactory experiences. I have no doubt that you have a much better time at Palace than I did (I know- I still owe a report). I still went to Palace, not for value for money, but because, it exists in the FKK universe in which I have a keen interest. I could have chosen that night to go to Oase, at which I feel much more comfortable and have had innumerable great experiences.Contemplating altering behaviour because because of the "economic crunch" is code for spending less money. The same activity can be both getting a good value and being cheap. The difference is simply the connotation. Consider the following two scenarios:
You hook up with a very pretty freelance Issan girl in Thailand. She initially asks 2500 Baht long time, but because of the drop off in tourist trade you bargan her down to 1000 Baht all night.
Was that a good value for the money, or is that cheap?
Second scenario, same girl gives you the night of your life. Treats you like she loves you, the sex is the best in your life. You fuck three of four times befor sleeping, she happily lets you fuck her in the ass, and finishes each time by swallowing you load. She lets you take pictures. What ever you want to do she is enthusiastically into. You fall asleep exhausted bodies entwined. You awaked a couple of times in the night to discover her blowing you. In the morning, the sex is even better than last night.
As you are getting ready to leave, she asks if you would like to hang out together today. She clearly wants to turn this into a multiple day girlfriend arrangement (presumably at 1000 Baht a day). As you want to sample other ladies, you decline. She smiles and asks could she at least have a couple of hundred baht for cab fare. Knowing full well she can get anywhere on the skytrain for under 50 baht, you give her 50 baht and she is on her way.
Was that a good value for the money, or is that cheap?
That's taking what I wrote out of context.Well, I quoted the entire quote, so kind of hard to argue that excerpting in my sentence was taking out of context.
Didn't Govenor Blagoavich claim his comments were taken out of context as well?
I don't actively seek out FT providers, but I enjoy CIM and COB if that's what follows the flow of the action. It's nice to know that it's on the menu even if I don't order it, because I could be hungry later, and it kills the mood to get the price list and have to negotiate in the heat of passion.No relation to your inner cheapness. Although I didn't think CIM was standard service for every woman at Bernds, so if you want it, you still have to ask if it is on the menu if you want it from a woman you haven't been with. Every club I go to, with the exception of F39, CIM is a fixed price. At F39, it is up to the girl, but no girl has ever asked for more than 30Euro from me.
I don't COB so doesn't matter to me whether it is offered included or whatever.
Depending on how it is handled it can be quite hot. Iraqi Lena at Palace telling me "I want you to fuck me in my ass" is hot, even if I didn't take her up on the offer. Koko beseaching me to come in her mouth whilest fucking her and getting close is hot.
If a girl asks for non-standard pricing, it is annoying. I just say no. Not a boner killer, but it does diminish the session. This happens once in a blue moon for me at Palace, Oase and GT. F39 is a negotiation for FT if you want to, but I always just accept the offering price.
Let's end this discussion as it is getting rather circular and seems to be at its root about connotations, or one more response from you and I'll drop it. Would you just do this for me in the spirit of monger comraderee? Just say it once, "Geiz ist geil"
a stunning young woman, early 20s, blond, flawless body with a "barely legal" lookHey, I wasn't letting on, but she's my favourite too. :-)
I was driving on my way home the other day and a Land Rover with German plates driving in the opposite direction approached.
Its plates were clearly marked VIE.
I'm thinking to myself: "VIE! I know where that is! VIE is Viersen."
Viersen is, of course, just around the corner from PHG.
For a second that flash of recognition took me to another time and another place. It will be a while before I return to that club.
Does anyone know if any of the clubs show the superbowl or remember a club having it on last year? I know that by the time the game actually starts it would be close to 2am in Germany...but its possible it might be rebroadcast the next day.
I was driving on my way home the other day and a Land Rover with German plates driving in the opposite direction approached.
Its plates were clearly marked VIE.
I'm thinking to myself: "VIE! I know where that is! VIE is Viersen."
Viersen is, of course, just around the corner from PHG.
For a second that flash of recognition took me to another time and another place. It will be a while before I return to that club.
A few days ago I was driving a mietwagen bound for GT on the A52 between Duesseldorf and Roermond. I passed several vehicles plated with VIE and thought the same as you: That must stand for Viersen...
Great minds think alike...
Ortos
Does anyone know if any of the clubs show the superbowl or remember a club having it on last year? I know that by the time the game actually starts it would be close to 2am in Germany...but its possible it might be rebroadcast the next day.
Hi Breadman
I just know that the ARD (one of the two biggest, non-private tv-channels in Germany – as you probably know) will broadcast it on Sunday from 0am on.
No offence – I personally love sports – but I seriously doubt, they will show it at any of the clubs – given the general interest for that particular sport in Europe. I might be totally wrong though and someone else remembers watching it at some point in a club?
;–) Globus
No offence – I personally love sports – but I seriously doubt, they will show it at any of the clubs – given the general interest for that particular sport in Europe. I might be totally wrong though and someone else remembers watching it at some point in a club?
Just curious if i'll see any of the game or not. But to be honest, if im doing a trip to Germany and Fkk land, last thing im thinking about is catching the game. Priorities.
Does anyone know if any of the clubs show the superbowl or remember a club having it on last year? I know that by the time the game actually starts it would be close to 2am in Germany...but its possible it might be rebroadcast the next day.
I have watched super bowls in the past in the relax zone at FKK World.
beffen
A few days ago I was driving a mietwagen bound for GT on the A52 between Duesseldorf and Roermond. I passed several vehicles plated with VIE and thought the same as you: That must stand for Viersen...
Great minds think alike...
Ortos
The big difference was I had this weird experience something like 3,500 miles away from Viersen. It was very strange.
Member #4359
01-21-09, 01:22
For a first time visitor to Germany who speaks almost no German, only English, is it better to visit FKK's or call independent escorts, or what? I know this will depend on what I am looking for, so a brief description of my desires is: GFE an absolute must (deep french kissing and a lot of it, lots of caressing, etc.), AO (please no lectures. I've already heard it all), BBBJ. Advice as to which cities and where to go in them is greatly appreciated.
Vito Corleone
01-21-09, 12:16
For a first time visitor to Germany who speaks almost no German, only English, is it better to visit FKK's or call independent escorts, or what? I know this will depend on what I am looking for, so a brief description of my desires is: GFE an absolute must (deep french kissing and a lot of it, lots of caressing, etc.), AO (please no lectures. I've already heard it all), BBBJ. Advice as to which cities and where to go in them is greatly appreciated.
Not my cup of tea, but there are plenty of AO clubs around. Do a search.
Italy 1974
01-21-09, 12:41
For a first time visitor to Germany who speaks almost no German, only English, is it better to visit FKK's or call independent escorts, or what? I know this will depend on what I am looking for, so a brief description of my desires is: GFE an absolute must (deep french kissing and a lot of it, lots of caressing, etc.), AO (please no lectures. I've already heard it all), BBBJ. Advice as to which cities and where to go in them is greatly appreciated.For Bonn/Koln area my suggestion is Traum Paradies.
Be very clear when you call or when you talk with the receptionist and you will not complain.
Italy 1974
For a first time visitor to Germany who speaks almost no German, only English, is it better to visit FKK's or call independent escorts, or what? I know this will depend on what I am looking for, so a brief description of my desires is: GFE an absolute must (deep french kissing and a lot of it, lots of caressing, etc.), AO (please no lectures. I've already heard it all), BBBJ. Advice as to which cities and where to go in them is greatly appreciated.
Personally I wouldn't travel to Germany if I spoke no German but that is just me. I am probably more risk averse than the average person.
But I do speak it and have gone for years even before discovering these clubs.
Yes, monolingualists get around but I cannot imagine how they do it. All I can say is that if the language thing doesn't faze you, you are a far better man than I.
Having said this, I avoid women I don't understand. It makes a huge difference to me to be able to communicate with her.
You are best off at an FKK club. You can evaluate the selection much better than relying on webpages or descriptions on the phone. She's live and in front of you and you can test for chemistry before you commit. You also have a better way of resolving issues should they arise as everything takes place in the format of a fixed place of business.
As to AO, to each his own. There are clubs who make it known that they provide AO. And if one asks discretely, one can find at most clubs. "Discretely" is the key word.
Where to go? Land in Hessen, stay in Hessen. Most guys on this forum favor the large Hessen clubs. You can't go wrong visiting them assuming your tastes are similar to theirs.
Agree with Jackyo. Would stick to the bigger clubs around Frankfurt or the Rheinland. Inside a number of girls will speak English (and some no German!), the reception most likely speaks English.
Escorts around Frankfurt will cost you 200 an hour max.
AO is pretty damned hard to find and you need German to do so. I doubt your chances of finding it and when you do you will be asked for a minimum of 150 extra.
For example Freiclub.de lists girls who do, but its in German and you must pay a membership.
but hell, if you want the shortest route to Aids known to man......roll the dice.
here for fans of AO is party near Frankfurt in Feb -
Hi. . . unser tabuloser A. O. GANGBANG findet am 06. 02. (Freitag) ab 19:00 Uhr statt. Und zwar in einem Studio in 64832 Babenhausen (die genauen Daten u. Anfahrt usw. bekommt Ihr bei der Anmeldung) Dabei sein wird diesmal meine Freundin Gundula (total versaut u. nahezu tabulos ;-))! Wir laden bis zu 22 Teilnehmer ein. . . gerne auch Paare oder Solofrauen! Unkostenbeitrag ab 80 Euro - Damen und aktive Paare sind FREI und immer gern gesehen! Verkehr und alles weitere ist ohne Gummi möglich (bei Vorlage eines aktuellen HIV/ HEP C. Tests). Da wir unsere Party filmen lassen denkt bitte an eine Maske wenn Ihr nicht erkannt werden wollt. Also ab zur Anmeldung!
A studio near BabenHausen in 64832 the exact address you get when you announce your willingness to partake.
Gundula at your service. A total of 22 men invited also couples and solo women, cost 80 Euro and AO so long as you have a current aids test cert with you. the party will also be filmed. masks provided if you in anyway shy.
Go to www.dieboerse.de sign in for free and go to parties and scroll down to
'tabuloser A.O. Gangbang' click on Antworten and say you'll be along, I'm sure english will be understood.
There an anal gangbang party also listed in Moers by www.gangbangmaus.de
And a couple of girls tell me this would also be up your street, so to speak:-
(http://www.marina-intim.com) a Berlin girl and another Homepage devoted to bareback riding (http://www.spassfucktor.de).
Sorry, guys but for this kind of thing you gotta learn (some) German and learn to navigate your way around german websites.
For a first time visitor to Germany who speaks almost no German, only English, is it better to visit FKK's or call independent escorts, or what? I know this will depend on what I am looking for, so a brief description of my desires is: GFE an absolute must (deep french kissing and a lot of it, lots of caressing, etc.), AO (please no lectures. I've already heard it all), BBBJ. Advice as to which cities and where to go in them is greatly appreciated.
While I wholeheartedly agree with Jackyo that decent German skills pay big dividends when FKKing, I also believe that you can get by just fine with good ole' fashioned English. In fact, you may HAVE to use English if you fancy a nice Romanian or Bulgarian girl who recently got off the bus and has yet to crack open her Duden, Pons or Langenscheidts. There are a number of very good providers in the big clubs who speak little to no German. In addition most of the German gals I know who work in FKKs have decent English. It has been my experience that the Russians, Polish, Letts and Lats do pretty well with German and not so well with English.
Having some German chops might keep you from falling victim to greedy gal's scam, but I run with a number of experienced FKKers who have little to no Deutsch and still do quite well in the clubs.
As to GFE and all that jazz; your best bet is to arm yourself with a few names from reports on this (and other) boards. Even that is no guarantee. A man's gotta be a good judge of character.
I could give you a list of names that provide good GFE for me, but your experience might be different, and my tastes and yours might not be in alignment. Plus there's no certainty that my GFE favs will be working when you go.
Can't help you with the AO stuff. Also, there is a tacit understanding that such specifics are not revealed in most forums.
For what it's worth, here are some of my favorite Hessen GFE highlights:
Oase: Judith (HU), Lina (Slovakia)
Palace: Maria (Bulgaria-I think she is using another name now, but that is what I have always known her by), Monika (Spain, also goes by the name of Baleria)
World: Janine (German), Eva (Romanian)
For the record, none of these gals engage in AO to my experience and knowledge. They are just top notch GFE gals with great attitudes and work ethics. All are doggone cute and sexy (IMHO) and all have a long list of "Stammgäste", and for good reasons.
Good luck,
Dedalus
Guys apologies for my naivety but what is AO. Looks like everyone is in on the gig except me. I have checked abbreviations, done an internet search and read the reports but I am non the wiser.
Please could someone educate me.
Z
Guys apologies for my naivety but what is AO. Looks like everyone is in on the gig except me. I have checked abbreviations, done an internet search and read the reports but I am non the wiser.
Please could someone educate me.
Z AO = Alles ohne. Direct translation "Everything without" = no protection
Ekliges Lauern
01-22-09, 03:53
For a first time visitor to Germany who speaks almost no German, only English, is it better to visit FKK's or call independent escorts, or what? I know this will depend on what I am looking for, so a brief description of my desires is: GFE an absolute must (deep french kissing and a lot of it, lots of caressing, etc.), AO (please no lectures. I've already heard it all), BBBJ. Advice as to which cities and where to go in them is greatly appreciated.Plenty of successful mongers in Germany speak no German. Some of the board's senior members are quite vocal in their opinions (as well as repeated use of the same German words to demonstrate their knowledge). Plenty of people get around just fine in Germany with no German. Many other people travel to mongering countries with no knowledge of the local language and do just fine. Thailand, China and Brazil come to mind. Sure the experience will be richer if you speak the local language, but I've heard of very few men who having visited Thailand wished they hadn't gone because the don't speak Thai. Granted Germany is an industrialized 1st world country, but take what the German crusaders say with a grain of salt. Germany is much easier to handle as a non-German speaker than Thailand, China or Japan are wthout knowledge of the local languages.
I've had few great sessions over the years in Germany where I and the lady spoke no common language. Patience and a good attitude is required for these situations. And some linguistic inventiveness (willingness to try your hand at pidgin communications).
If you willing to drop the AO expectation, the Hessen big 3 FKKs are what you seek, just choose wisely the women you session with. I personally can't image bringing AO upwith a woman at an FKK. I would guess you would need to figure out which women are really desperate for money and kind of stupid. Far more so than the average FKK girl. My radar is not tuned to those frequencies so can't help you. I also think you are likely to get a chilly reception if as a first time guest you bring up the subject.
If AO is what you seek, it sounds like it can be done by non-German speakers. This chap acheived it.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=799400&postcount=62
Full disclosure, I've never been to this club and think traveling two hours by train from FRA is a bit of a risky proposition for the possibility of AO. But if you must...
Agree with Jackyo. Would stick to the bigger clubs around Frankfurt or the Rheinland. Inside a number of girls will speak English (and some no German!), the reception most likely speaks English.
Escorts around Frankfurt will cost you 200 an hour max.
AO is pretty damned hard to find and you need German to do so. I doubt your chances of finding it and when you do you will be asked for a minimum of 150 extra.
For example Freiclub.de lists girls who do, but its in German and you must pay a membership.
but hell, if you want the shortest route to Aids known to man......roll the dice.You have to negotiate AO with a chick and that takes communication skills. Or you have to find a way onto her "preferred customer" list in a very short time.
The easier way to find it is to visit clubs which specialize in AO. They do exist.
Two that come to mind are Club La Luna in Moers and Club Tabulos in Moenchengladbach.
I do local Gangbang events here with a group of friends and once in a while the chick will offer AO. Once I wasn't in on her offer and I was quite surprised to see my buddies poking at her uncovered like it was the most normal thing. I like sex but not so much that I'd take that kind of risk.
Two that come to mind are Club La Luna in Moers and Club Tabulos in Moenchengladbach.
I do local Gangbang events here with a group of friends and once in a while the chick will offer AOPlease feel free to write about your Laluna and Tabulos reports! Give us details about the girls you fucked without condom!
I will never tell which girl I fucked without condom or mention places where that is possible!
Kind Regards,
Big30
Which FKK would you guys think is the most exclusive one in Germany that have the best looking girls?
Regards
AO = Alles ohne. Direct translation "Everything without" = no protection
Cheers Henio
Z
Which FKK would you guys think is the most exclusive one in Germany that have the best looking girls?
Regards Personally I would not call any of them exclusive, but of course it depends on your point of reference.
Personally I would not call any of them exclusive, but of course it depends on your point of reference.
... which will gladly take more money out of your wallet so you can say you had an "exclusive" experience.
This doesn't mean though that you would have a better experience or have a better selection than you would visiting a "normal" FKK club, i.e. the ones we describe here.
Paying a higher entrance fee or giving her more money is not going to give you an enhanced experience. There is only just so much a chick can do for you. She can't blow harder, take off more clothes, f__ you more energetically for more money.
You might try visiting those bars oriented to the tourist trade where they ply you with the "buy me a bottlle of champagne and I'll show you a good time" scam if you really feel you need to part with your money that badly.
In fact, I'll gladly help you lighten your load.. ;)
Jackyo mentions two clubs I had overlooked...and I might as well tell you that for a price you can also have sex at Bernd's without a condom. Anal and sandwich with condom are standard at Bernds as is group sex in the room, itself a great experience if you can persuade a fellow traveller to join you (but surprising how reticent men are to be seen having sex!)
This is actually one good reason why Bernd's is so popular among Germans. Nobody talks about it and you rarely have it mentioned on the German forums. It did pop up as a topic about three years ago on Rheinforum and a couple of guys did reveal that Bernd's was the big secret.
The girls who do are known as the Bernd 'crew girls' and it is best to approach this matter with delicacy by asking the girls who does and who doesn't.
They may be offended and tell you nobody does it. The reason being that which girls do is normally shared between the men through the forum message service. And as the girls at Bernd's do come and go you might just hit a period when none are so accommodating.
It is also the reason why some girls won't work at Bernd's. In my time I've had more than one get pretty miffed at me saying I go there as it was well known in the trade as a condom free zone.
Again this was a while back when Bernd's was in its heyday and the current slew of classy FKK clubs were but a dewy dream in a businessman's eye. Back then Bernd's really did attract the best (tabulos) talent and the most men. There was no World, Palace, Oase, Living Room, Golden Time etc etc.
And I hope this does not offend you Bernd fans.
Ekliges Lauern
01-23-09, 14:17
Which FKK would you guys think is the most exclusive one in Germany that have the best looking girls?
Regards
I would say F39 is exclusive. No black men are allowed. Before anyone flames me, I asked the desk woman. She claimed it was German only, but seems to be any whites are allowed. I've seen east Asians there as well.
As far as the best looking, I think the forum consensus is Palace, Oase, World and GT. Most mongers have their own opinions as to the order, but those clubs bubble up to the top of most monger's list in terms of appearance of the girls.
Ekliges Lauern
01-23-09, 14:24
Jackyo mentions two clubs I had overlooked...and I might as well tell you that for a price you can also have sex at Bernd's without a condom. Anal and sandwich with condom are standard at Bernds as is group sex in the room, itself a great experience if you can persuade a fellow traveller to join you (but surprising how reticent men are to be seen having sex!)
This is actually one good reason why Bernd's is so popular among Germans. Nobody talks about it and you rarely have it mentioned on the German forums. It did pop up as a topic about three years ago on Rheinforum and a couple of guys did reveal that Bernd's was the big secret.
The girls who do are known as the Bernd 'crew girls' and it is best to approach this matter with delicacy by asking the girls who does and who doesn't.
They may be offended and tell you nobody does it. The reason being that which girls do is normally shared between the men through the forum message service. And as the girls at Bernd's do come and go you might just hit a period when none are so accommodating.
It is also the reason why some girls won't work at Bernd's. In my time I've had more than one get pretty miffed at me saying I go there as it was well known in the trade as a condom free zone.
Again this was a while back when Bernd's was in its heyday and the current slew of classy FKK clubs were but a dewy dream in a businessman's eye. Back then Bernd's really did attract the best (tabulos) talent and the most men. There was no World, Palace, Oase, Living Room, Golden Time etc etc.
And I hope this does not offend you Bernd fans.
OK, I understand why some guys seek it out as everything is a risk calculation and if you have AO sex with a prostitute a couple of times a year, I'm guessing the statistical chances of getting HIV are a fraction of a percent, but can someone explain to me other than financial desparation and a bit of stupidity why women provide this service? As they have sex with far greater frequency than the men, the risks to them are statistically quite a bit higher.
Ace Montana
01-23-09, 16:30
Always funny to read the postings following an AO info request or an AO report. It is a fact that bareback is awailable in every club. Everywhere you will find women accepting to go bareback with some of their guests.
At LaLuna or at Club Tabulos it is obvious. At all other locations you can get it too, although it is not an official service and nobody talks or writes about it. So Seabreeze003, go to the club you want and ask the women politely if they would do AO with you. I am certain you will find some.
Hi guys,
Pretty good reports here. I sure would like to take part in some of these exciting activities. I am going to travel to Germany (Berlin) for the first time.
As the purpose of this forum, I would like any help I can get to move around, get into some action and make new friends in this country.
I will be traveling from USA sometime in the 2nd week of Feb. If any of you guys are free and would like to catch up for a drink and show me around will be good otherwise just some useful pointers in getting some good action.
In return I will share my experience in other parts of the world ( USA, South America, Asia, middle east, India)
Thank guys
suniman
Vito Corleone
01-24-09, 01:07
Hi guys,
Pretty good reports here. I sure would like to take part in some of these exciting activities. I am going to travel to Germany (Berlin) for the first time.
As the purpose of this forum, I would like any help I can get to move around, get into some action and make new friends in this country.
I will be traveling from USA sometime in the 2nd week of Feb. If any of you guys are free and would like to catch up for a drink and show me around will be good otherwise just some useful pointers in getting some good action.
In return I will share my experience in other parts of the world ( USA, South America, Asia, middle east, India)
Thank guys
suniman
Forget about making friends. Go straight to FKK Artemis.
Fkk Oase... http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=50.241750&ln=8.676925&z=-1&k=2&a=1&tab=1
Fkk World... http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=50.527468&ln=8.747327&z=-1&k=2&a=1&tab=1
Goldentime... http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=51.263377&ln=6.186942&z=-1&k=2&a=1&tab=1
Planet Happy Garden... http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=51.334030&ln=6.400014&z=-1&k=2&a=1&tab=1
Flamingo Island.. http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=48.938115&ln=8.384655&z=-1&k=2&a=1&tab=1 going to guess its the building with the pool behind it...
Heavensgate... http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=51.720668&ln=7.036314&z=0&k=2&a=1&tab=1 note picture on map that allows you to get a front door shot of the club.
Colosseum... http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=48.388431&ln=10.864314&z=-1&k=2&a=1&tab=1 haven't been there but going to guess its the place surrounded by all the green....
Samya... http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=50.873795&ln=6.992959&z=-1&k=2&a=1&tab=1 look for the yellow awning
Bernds... http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=50.739193&ln=7.335010&z=-1&k=2&a=1&tab=1
Pretty good reports here. I sure would like to take part in some of these exciting activities. I am going to travel to Germany (Berlin) for the first time.
What's the purpose of the trip? Business, pleasure or a mix? If its business and your forced to stay in Berlin, then Artemis is the best (and pretty much only choice). Frankfurt and Dusseldorf has more options...but both are too far to consider driving from Berlin. And from my research on visiting Artemis (on a future trip) you don't need a car since its so close to the airport and there are many hotels in between the airport and the club.
If you have free time, you can fly on ryanair for 10 euro's to dusseldorf weeze airport and back...rent a car and drive south to goldentime. Or fly to frankfurt hahn airport for 10 euro's, rent a car and drive the long drive to oase.
Anybody ever rent one of those cars? Will it fit 2 grown hobbiests who don't care what people think as long as we can get to the club without having to carry the car over our shoulders? They are tiny little things...was told that they come with "Shift paddles" behind the steering wheels that operate a sequential transmission. Wonder how hard it is to use these shift paddles.
Anybody ever rent one of those cars? Will it fit 2 grown hobbiests who don't care what people think as long as we can get to the club without having to carry the car over our shoulders? They are tiny little things...was told that they come with "Shift paddles" behind the steering wheels that operate a sequential transmission. Wonder how hard it is to use these shift paddles.
I rented one last year. Plenty of room for me (5'10"-225). I didn't have any problem driving it, I just didn't like driving it.
It does have a couple of things going for it: good mileage and easy to park.
Will it fit 2 grown hobbiestsNo problem, as long as you don't have too much luggage (the boot is pretty small)
was told that they come with "Shift paddles" behind the steering wheels that operate a sequential transmission. Wonder how hard it is to use these shift paddles.Don't know if several variants exists. The model I drove had sequential trasmission with automatic shift. You can set it to manual shift (shift stick between seats), but it's really not needed.
Anybody ever rent one of those cars? Will it fit 2 grown hobbiests who don't care what people think as long as we can get to the club without having to carry the car over our shoulders? They are tiny little things...was told that they come with "Shift paddles" behind the steering wheels that operate a sequential transmission. Wonder how hard it is to use these shift paddles. If you are thinking about renting the smart at Sixt, I would also look into Avis Basic (http://www.avis.de/Topangebote/Avis-Basic). It is about the same deal (give or take few euros), but Avis basic will actually get you a 4/5 seater (Seat Ibiza or comparable). Same deal with the 100km a day limit. These deals are good for 1 or 2 day trips
For a 3 day weekend deal, Hertz has the best offer https://www.hertz.de/rentacar/specialoffers/index.jsp?targetPage=D_Airport_Special.jsp&Category=K&TabLink=tlink1.
If you are thinking about renting the smart at Sixt, I would also look into Avis Basic (http://www.avis.de/Topangebote/Avis-Basic). It is about the same deal (give or take few euros), but Avis basic will actually get you a 4/5 seater (Seat Ibiza or comparable). Same deal with the 100km a day limit. These deals are good for 1 or 2 day trips
For a 3 day weekend deal, Hertz has the best offer https://www.hertz.de/rentacar/specialoffers/index.jsp?targetPage=D_Airport_Special.jsp&Category=K&TabLink=tlink1.
I was looking into renting for an entire week. Sixti offers either a smart car or a ford fiesta for 149 euro's (but their service fee page says they tack on 19% at airports). Was given the Avis basic website, their rate is slightly higher at 163 euro's...a big charge is adding an extra driver. 15 per day on avis compared to 3 per day at sixti.
So in the end, cost's look to be about the same with the bigger car being given by Avis.
Can someone post the link to the frankfurt messe website?
Can someone post the link to the frankfurt messe website?
www.messefrankfurt.com
I was looking into renting for an entire week. Sixti offers either a smart car or a ford fiesta for 149 euro's (but their service fee page says they tack on 19% at airports). Was given the Avis basic website, their rate is slightly higher at 163 euro's...a big charge is adding an extra driver. 15 per day on avis compared to 3 per day at sixti.
So in the end, cost's look to be about the same with the bigger car being given by Avis. In that case, I would suggest you check out www.economycarrentals.com. F.ex. 185 euros for a VW polo for a week. CDW with no excess and one extra driver included and unlimited milage. Have used them in the past, are good when doing longer rentals, but usually do not beat the weekend deals.
It is an agent so you wont know which rental company you end up with. When booking through them in the past, I have often ended up with Sixt, but once I ended up getting a car from Dollar which is kind of a pain since you will have to take a shuttle bus to the location that is about 15 minutes drive down the A5.
Fkk Oase... http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=50.241750&ln=8.676925&z=-1&k=2&a=1&tab=1
Fkk World... http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=50.527468&ln=8.747327&z=-1&k=2&a=1&tab=1
Goldentime... http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=51.263377&ln=6.186942&z=-1&k=2&a=1&tab=1
Planet Happy Garden... http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=51.334030&ln=6.400014&z=-1&k=2&a=1&tab=1
Flamingo Island.. http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=48.938115&ln=8.384655&z=-1&k=2&a=1&tab=1 going to guess its the building with the pool behind it...
Heavensgate... http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=51.720668&ln=7.036314&z=0&k=2&a=1&tab=1 note picture on map that allows you to get a front door shot of the club.
Colosseum... http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=48.388431&ln=10.864314&z=-1&k=2&a=1&tab=1 haven't been there but going to guess its the place surrounded by all the green....
Samya... http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=50.873795&ln=6.992959&z=-1&k=2&a=1&tab=1 look for the yellow awning
Bernds... http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=50.739193&ln=7.335010&z=-1&k=2&a=1&tab=1
Nice views. I try to enter all those clubs into OpenStreetMap (http://www.openstreetmap.org) as amenity=brothel, wiith help from Yahoo imagery when available. I think I could identify all of them but:
Heavensgate: where is it exactly, maybe the green approximately square area just north-est of the car picture?
Colosseum: I guess it's the multistorey (large shadow) building in line with two of the reservoir tanks, just across the railway, with well delimited park places along the left side. Could anyone in the know confirm, or otherwise point me to the right building?
Any help is appreciated, together we can turn OpenStreetMap into the base for the ultimate freely distributable mongering map!
Does anyone know if any of the clubs show the superbowl or remember a club having it on last year? I know that by the time the game actually starts it would be close to 2am in Germany...but its possible it might be rebroadcast the next day.
Hey Bread,
I have often watched the big game at World in the Relax Zone. It will probably be on again. Just remind Ruth or whoever is working downstairs that it is Super Bowl Sunday and she'll turn the big screen to that station.
I remember a few years ago watching Pittsburgh dough-pop Seattle down there. I passed on the half-time show in favor of other half-time festivities with Daniela in the Kino.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Villa Vertigo certainly advertises some of the best lookers and for my money is way way the best website I have ever seen for an FKK club. Great blogs and updates and a fine healthy attitude.
Why girls offer the Anal ohne service - no idea if we are talking about their health. But as they don't do this job on doctor's advice the answer is simple - demand. It's pretty much sought after and not much talked about, just like a man's self-appreciation habit. In the early days of Eastern Europe opening up it was the reason sex tourism from Germany boomed like a gold rush. Also in these states anal sex was/is often practiced as a form of contraception. So many girls were experienced in this department and thought nothing of offering it or even asking more money.
Anal sex is probably less practiced these days, due to widely available contraception. Whereas in many (Catholic) countries such as France in the fifties and sixties is was the only sure way of having fun without risking pregnancy.
Warsteiner
01-27-09, 20:01
Why girls offer the Anal ohne service - no idea if we are talking about their health. But as they don't do this job on doctor's advice the answer is simple - demand.
There are probably 4 reasons why some girls offer Anal Ohne:
1. Demand, as you say although this probably comes from No. 2
2. This is the only way that they can earn money as they cannot compete any other way with the younger/more attractive girls. I've met a few girls in clubs that fit this category.
3. They don't think that there is much chance of catching a disease.
4. They already have a disease so don't need to worry about it and don't care about the chances of passing this on to other men and the sunsequent women they session with.
I know that I have probably had sessions with women who have had condoms burst on them when sessioning with other men or who, maybe, do AO but it's not something that I will be trying. It's just not worth the risk.
Basketcase
01-27-09, 21:24
Which FKK would you guys think is the most exclusive one in Germany that have the best looking girls?
Regards
FKK Oase in Burgholzhausen advertises itself as "der grosste & exclusivste FKK club der welt!"
Colosseum: I guess it's the multistorey (large shadow) building in line with two of the reservoir tanks, just across the railway, with well delimited park places along the left side. Could anyone in the know confirm, or otherwise point me to the right building?
Yes, that's ColA.
Ekliges Lauern
01-28-09, 03:12
Anyone else do this?
When getting a really, really good slow Kino BJ, I like to curl and uncurl my toes just add to the overall sensation. It works best in Kinos where you can stretch out in a semi prone position (i.e.: Palace with the levels as opposed to Oase with the couches). I like when an especially talented lady is between my outstretched legs driving me to extasy while I slowly curl and uncurl my toes and contemplate how wonderful life is.
If not, you should try it some time.
@warsteiner -
agree with you. The specialists tend to be older, though many under thirty escort girls do offer it. Out of my experience I would say that exactly what anal amounts to depends on the girl. For some its a con and penetration is actually frustrated (and they still want the money) others enjoy it (as did some ex-girlfriends) and one older club woman demanded a double condom approach. The last was truly bizarre. Come to think of it my wierdest experiences have always involved sex. Is there something wrong with me, doctor?
Hessen Bub
01-28-09, 09:38
2. This is the only way that they can earn money as they cannot compete any other way with the younger/more attractive girls. I've met a few girls in clubs that fit this category.
And I've met quite a few girls that to belong into the category "Top Acts" (looks- and performance-wise) and do nevertheless offer straight sex and anal without condom. And with no extra charge (I mean for leaving the condom in their purse).
HB
hey bread,
i have often watched the big game at world in the relax zone. it will probably be on again. just remind ruth or whoever is working downstairs that it is super bowl sunday and she'll turn the big screen to that station.
i remember a few years ago watching pittsburgh dough-pop seattle down there. i passed on the half-time show in favor of other half-time festivities with daniela in the kino.
and i've watched nba playoff games and world cup soccer at oase. i remember thinking how strange we guys are. a building full of naked women waiting to have sex with us and we spend hours in a brothel watching men in shorts play with balls. the world cup was particularly bizarre. they set up a big screen outside near the food hut and all of us sat there watching the game while all the ladies were arrayed on the lounge chairs in their naked glory peeved at the lack of attention. it must be a guy thing.
Vito Corleone
01-29-09, 02:28
and i've watched nba playoff games and world cup soccer at oase. i remember thinking how strange we guys are. a building full of naked women waiting to have sex with us and we spend hours in a brothel watching men in shorts play with balls. the world cup was particularly bizarre. they set up a big screen outside near the food hut and all of us sat there watching the game while all the ladies were arrayed on the lounge chairs in their naked glory peeved at the lack of attention. it must be a guy thing.
@ world, i remember watching the euro final between germany & spain & all the men (including myself) were watching the game. the relaxzone was too full so i went outside & barely found a seat in the soccer tent. before the game, guys were wearing german towels, stickers, big national flags & blowing horns non-stop! a group of 6-8 guys were waving huge flags inside an fkk! even the ha staff were in full force watching the game. i figured this would be a great time to find a woman, but the crazy soccer fan atmosphere was exciting.
Sorry I couldn't help a wry smile when I was watch Eurosport earlier today and on the screen came the name of one of Germany's star ski-jumpers:
Andreas Wank.
What can I say...
Do you think he knows what most English-speakers think of when they hear/read his name?
Ortos
We are way off topic here, Ortos, but the best name I ever found was on a building-site billboard in Istanbul. The Chief Engineer was called Mustafa Kunt. My thoughts entirely.
Charles Browne
02-01-09, 11:07
I'm going to Berlin in April, and will likely make a visit to Artemis. But I'm a bit self-conscious, because I'm rather obese. Not orca-fat or walruss-fat, but certainly more than merely chubby with a BMI of around 33.
How many punters my size usually visit an FKK on a regular night? What is the ratio? Are "we" generally treated with respect, or is it hard for "us" to hook up with the same quality girls as regular blokes do? Will we have to go for second-best?
The RF (the Rhein version, natch) finalized their count of votes for the Rheinische Blaskoenigin von 2008.
Here is the top ten:
Mahe at Babylon
Katja at Schieferhof
Ewa at Blue Note
Celine at Roonstrasse, Koeln
Mandy at Babylon
Monika at AC/K
Ranja at Samya
Mara at Schieferhof
Nina at Agentur Caro (she is the former Laura at Babylon)
Simone at Koeln-Rodenkirchen
The list is long and I'm printing it out and bringing it with me the next time I am there. I have Mandy from Babylon on a to-do list based on reports I've read plus her photos on their website.
It also does a count at the bottom of which NRW clubs were named the most.
The Number One NRW club named: The Hof! It makes me want to sing: "Let's go to the Hof, oh baby! Let's go to the Hof!"
Here is the rest of the club list:
Samya
Babylon
Blue Note
Agentur Caro
Traumparadies
Club M
Freude 39
Goldentime
Residenz
Nylon Cafe
This gives you a flavor also for the preferences of the locals (tying to a discussion we've been having elsewhere).
Where do the large NRW clubs rank here, you might ask? Why is GT ranked so low? Why no PHG? What about Dolce Vita on Briedestrasse in DUS, the tourist trap?
Local tastes are quite different from those of the tourists. I think this is clear. The Einhemische stick with what they know and don't go running around the countryside dropping in on clubs they aren't familiar with.
If you read the RF posts enough, they refer a lot to session money being gut angelegt, in other words, well invested not simply just spent.
The mindset is different: you invest money in the object of your lust and aspire to Stammkunde status. There is a relationship aspect to this style of hobbying.
As our Gallic counterparts would say: Il n'y a que l'embarrass du choix. There are a ton of small NRW clubs named here, some of which I've not been to, most of which aren't even visited by ISG Forumers since they stick with the large Grenzgebietclubs when they drive up from Hessen.
My personal number one BJ provider? Marion who is a denizen of the PT scene having made appearances at PT Dolce Vita, PT Osnabrueck and PT Dorsten. It is a well known fact that I am not into BJs but I will make an exception for her. She does it with Gefuehl und Liebe. No Zahneinsatz whatsoever. Schmerzfrei!
My liebe Svenja only made it to number 22 on this list! I need to take a trip soon to console her.
Cheers Jackyo.
I will put Ranja on my to do list for my next Samya visit.
Z
Dick Travel
02-01-09, 20:08
@Charles Brown
I've been to all the major clubs and a number of smaller ones. I've seen all sizes and shapes. So, don't be concerned. As for ratios I couldn't say, it depends on the night, but really, no-one cares.
As for the girls, so long as you have Euros and treat them with respect, look after your personal hygiene etc, then they will happily session with you and treat you with respect.
Have fun, let us know about your adventures in FKK land.
DT
Basketcase
02-01-09, 20:08
I'm going to Berlin in April, and will likely make a visit to Artemis. But I'm a bit self-conscious, because I'm rather obese. Not orca-fat or walruss-fat, but certainly more than merely chubby with a BMI of around 33.
How many punters my size usually visit an FKK on a regular night? What is the ratio? Are "we" generally treated with respect, or is it hard for "us" to hook up with the same quality girls as regular blokes do? Will we have to go for second-best?
Hey Charles Browne,
Have a blast in Artemis. I have been 4 times but have not managed to make it more as I more enarmored of the FKKs of Frankfurt Main and Saunaclubs of Nord Rhein Westfalen. Read the Artemis forum for the ladies to look out for and read up on the facilities and what you should do.
Also from where I come from the flights to Berlin are much more expensive but then I lose the cheapness of the flights to FFM and NRW in land transfers whereas Berlin airports are linked by train in the main.
Do not worry about how short, tall, skinny or large that you are or if you have a huge schwanz or less than average sized schwanz. Nor does it matter if you are Asian, African or Caucasian in origin or if you believe in God, Allah, Krishna, the Tao, Jainism, or other religion. The girls are used to taking all and sundry as customers. Either the girls will ask you or they are more than happy to be asked by you and will actually be thrilled that they do not have to go sell themselves to find a customer.
I have a BMI of 30 (I'm fat too) and I waddle around in my towel like the tall giant and well built Scandinavian Gods that come from Sweden that frequent the club. Hey, if I can score with the ladies then anyone can.
Its the euros in your valuables locker that the girls will purr over rather than if you have a muscle bound hide. A girl will look at it that you will be a gentle and kind customer not prone to bang her muschi for 30 minutes non stop whereas the younger and fitter more brash ones will be more demanding and want to perform each position of the kama sutra from cover to cover in their 30 minutes. This means the girls will target you over some of the more well built customers to avoid that situation.
You will find that you have much in common with the pretty much middle aged crowd that have gone to seed. You do not say if you are young, middle aged or veteran in age so I am talking in generalisations.
In general in the FFM clubs there tends to be more the veteran customers during the day time but at night time the more younger and middle aged customers come along. Others please correct me but that is my observation. As you can appreciate amongst all these customers there are the usual out of shape men.
Please do go and make sure you take notes written or mentally to report back here on this forum. This forum is about sharing and paying it forward for the future generations.
Cheers,
Basketcase
Ekliges Lauern
02-01-09, 21:13
I'm going to Berlin in April, and will likely make a visit to Artemis. But I'm a bit self-conscious, because I'm rather obese. Not orca-fat or walruss-fat, but certainly more than merely chubby with a BMI of around 33.
How many punters my size usually visit an FKK on a regular night? What is the ratio? Are "we" generally treated with respect, or is it hard for "us" to hook up with the same quality girls as regular blokes do? Will we have to go for second-best?
Don't give it a second thought. I'm a bit of a fat bastard myself and it has never been an issue.
Frankly, the women won't even notice your size. In their eyes, all they see is a giant 50 Euro note with three legs.
Basketcase
02-01-09, 21:18
Frankly, the women won't even notice your size. In their eyes, all the see is a giant 50 Euro note with three legs.
Ekliges Lauern,
You make an interesting point about three legs. The euphemnistic term I read on the German forum where they refer to themselves is as tripods or three legs as you say. For example, the German writer will say "I went to the club at 5pm and there were many tripods present and not many models. Egal."
That always cracks me up.
Londonbasketcase
Ekliges Lauern,
You make an interesting point about three legs. The euphemnistic term I read on the German forum where they refer to themselves is as tripods or three legs as you say. For example, the German writer will say "I went to the club at 5pm and there were many tripods present and not many models. Egal."
That always cracks me up.
Londonbasketcase
.. Dreibeiner, in case anyone wants to know.
There is another senior monger, who tells us over and over again that the real Germans prefer the smaller service oriented clubs.
An RF survey of locals based in NRW does not list the touristy NRW clubs which feature most prominently in this forum.
842614
So I am not making this up. In other words, the most hardcore natives, the guys who post most often on their local NRW forum,visit the smaller, more service-oriented clubs.
There are distinct differences in taste.
I hang out with RF guys when I visit and since they know the "lay of the land" better than I do, I will ask them for advice.
Once in a while they will say to me: "See that chick with the frizzy red hair, freckles, buck teeth and glasses? She is awesome."
I go: "What?!"
Then they will go: "Her service is impeccable. Trust us on this."
I will search Boom's FFM Forum and see if they have an equivalent survey. I don't visit it often as I am not an FFM fan.
Angus Magee
02-02-09, 13:10
.. Dreibeiner, in case anyone wants to know.
I guess that would be the equivalent of "a sausage party", as in, Artemis was a real sausage party last time I went.
Charles Browne
02-02-09, 17:54
Atekliges Lauern, Basketcase & Dick Travel. Thank you all for replying and for stilling my fears. I will now walk into Artemis with a lighter heart!
I shall do my best to take some notes and share my experiences with you. I've have eight "encounters" before, so am not a complete newbie to the hobby, but this will be my first visit to Artemis.
AtBasketcase: Are you from Sweden by any chance? I live not far from Gothenburg, so for me it would be cheaper to travel to Frankfurt as well. Ryanair
Basketcase
02-02-09, 18:54
Atekliges Lauern, Basketcase & Dick Travel. Thank you all for replying and for stilling my fears. I will now walk into Artemis with a lighter heart!
I shall do my best to take some notes and share my experiences with you. I've have eight "encounters" before, so am not a complete newbie to the hobby, but this will be my first visit to Artemis.
AtBasketcase: Are you from Sweden by any chance? I live not far from Gothenburg, so for me it would be cheaper to travel to Frankfurt as well. Ryanair
@Charles Browne,
Yes please go into FKK Artemis with a light heart and a heavy wallet and spend the wedge on the ladies and report back here whether you enjoyed it or not.
If you have been to the FKKs of Frankfurt then you will be well prepared for the FKK Artemis that is 3 floors of naked ladies.
There are a number of writers from Sweden on this board. To protect the innocent I shall leave them to identify themselves to you via PM. They too fly in from Sweden to Frankfurt Hahn (means cock in German - hahaha) or Berlin schoenfeld with Ryanair taking advantage of the 1 cent air fares. I mean for €1 you an get 100 flights but the times are not conducive to weekend trips.
There is even a Swedes only forum on German FKKs. Maybe one of the members can invite you to join it.
Read my trip reports from 2008 whereby I explain the logistics of how I get to Frankfurt Hahn and take the bus and train to FKK Oase, FKK World and FKK Palace. These are the so called Hesse big three and alll give Artemis in Berlin a run for its money in terms of line up and facilities.
Have a great time in Berlin - remember to do some sight seeing and not fuck the entire time. You will need to explain to someone why you are there in Berlin and did not take any photos or you can do what I do which is buy postcards at the airport before you leave for home. I spent most of my time in Berlin fucking I am sorry to be saying.
Kind regards
Basketcase
An RF survey of locals based in NRW does not list the touristy NRW clubs which feature most prominently in this forum.
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So I am not making this up.
You should also mention the vast number of guys who visit the small local clubs who have no idea about the other clubs in the area. I remember the guy at dorsten partytreff who had no idea that fkk heavensgate was a short 15 minute walk down the street. Or the guy I met at Oase who saw an advertisement and was amazed he was living so close to such a large club.
You should also mention the vast number of guys who visit the small local clubs who have no idea about the other clubs in the area. I remember the guy at dorsten partytreff who had no idea that fkk heavensgate was a short 15 minute walk down the street. Or the guy I met at Oase who saw an advertisement and was amazed he was living so close to such a large club.
... who voted in this survey are the best informed of the locals.
The reason I say this is that you weren't allowed to vote unless you had a minimum number of posts.
Guys were posting their first, second and third choices and members of the survey committee were stepping and saying: "Sorry. You aren't qualified to vote."
This was specifically to exclude shills and others who were otherwise trying to stuff the ballot box plus, of course, pure ahnungslose newbies who had no basis for comparison.
Speaking of the RF (the Rhein version), they now have a chat feature. Try it when you have time.
Ekliges Lauern
02-03-09, 06:43
Guys were posting their first, second and third choices and members of the survey committee were stepping and saying: "Sorry. You aren't qualified to vote."
Sounds like a rigged election to me.
Seriously, I'm still waiting for an explanation for how HB can like big Hessen clubs and be a real German at the same time.
Sounds like a rigged election to me.
Seriously, I'm still waiting for an explanation for how HB can like big Hessen clubs and be a real German at the same time.
About HB favouring the Hessen clubs: I am just guessing but maybe one difference between him and others who tend to knock the Big 3 is: HB actually visits the clubs on a regular basis within the past couple of years? Maybe that is it...?
Ortos
Sounds like a rigged election to me.
Seriously, I'm still waiting for an explanation for how HB can like big Hessen clubs and be a real German at the same time.
As I've said, its all the same to me. Each one should come to his/her own conclusions.
The point is that there is different approach taken to the hobby there.
I don't think tourists should be wandering around the countryside anyway dropping in on these smaller non-tourist oriented clubs. This forum fulfills its purpose by keeping them on the beaten path. Let's not change things.
One only has to look at the activity under the World, Palace and Oase threads to see where the average ISGer spends his time and money.
Throwing this information out there isn't going to change things. Which is fine.
I will discourage anyone from visiting Bernds, Samya, etc.. if they are looking for the kind of experiences they find at the larger clubs. If you are happy with those clubs, stick with them. You will only be disappointed.
When I find an equivalent survey on Booms FFM Forum (the regional forum for Hessen), then we will know what the Einheimische in Hessen really think.
Problem is that there isn't quite the plethora of clubs in Hessen as there are in NRW.
Come to think of it, the Germans might be quite surprised to read about which clubs ISGers visit the most.
About HB favouring the Hessen clubs: I am just guessing but maybe one difference between him and others who tend to knock the Big 3 is: HB actually visits the clubs on a regular basis within the past couple of years? Maybe that is it...?
I'm not questioning HB's credibility but the logic behind this is similar to the Woody Allen quote:
"All men are mortal. Socrates was a man. Therefore all men are Socrates. "
Been there, done that.
If someone will fund my next visits to the Hessen 3 (why would I want to spend my own money on this?), I will gladly take them up on their offer the next time I am stranded in FFM waiting for a flight. I'm not into visiting a large club where the chances are high that I will leave it ungepoppt despite the large selection (I have done this by the way).
The constant pacing, the not-very-subtle marketing efforts of the women, the thumping techno or pop music. It drives me nuts.
Charles Browne
02-03-09, 19:15
There is even a Swedes only forum on German FKKs. Maybe one of the members can invite you to join it.Thank you Basketcase!
Note to other Swedes: Please?
Is there a separate board for discussion about La Folie on Kaiser Friedrich Strasse? Or does that go under "Other FKK clubs"? That is the only FKK I've visited.
Would someone be interested in a report from five years ago?
About HB favouring the Hessen clubs: I am just guessing but maybe one difference between him and others who tend to knock the Big 3 is: HB actually visits the clubs on a regular basis within the past couple of years? Maybe that is it...?
Ortos
Looks do count. So, does your ability to charm the ladies. Sometimes we seem to forget that the ladies do think beyond the 50E. HB has both.
That is an easy experiment! Only 12 month and we know if it will be true or not!
My prophecy for 2010: there will be no significant differences in 12 month! Why?
Because there are already enough sex-junkies, "idiots" :) who like to spent money for fucking. If it is not the germans in the clubs, it will be the dutch or english or americans or italians, or it will be people from Russia, China, Japan or the arabic countries.You may be right, Nick. That's half the fun. Hope for all of us that I am, though. To quote that well-known fornicator: "Schauen mir 'mal!" ;-)
Dude, that is harsh. So basically your thesis is to root for more economic distress as it motivates better service in women? I wouldn't want to work for you as an employee.The economic stress is there without my rooting for it. If in due course it is alleviated (I can't do it alone ;-)), I shall have to deal with that too. Do not misunderstand me. I am an observer. It's my right, as a very good customer, and countless FKK managements and girls would agree! Please note that I am not calling for price reductions, even if they may happen; it's fair service for a fair price that I seek, for you as well as for me.
Seriously, I prefer to see rising wages and living standards for all. If that leads to higher wage demands from prostitutes, so be it. In my world, I'm richer so I can deal with it. Cheering a recessions for its effects on the mongers market is just plain sick.Don't we all want rising standards? You're being a bit too moralistic with me, but fear not, you are not an employee of mine :-). If you interpreted my remark about the effect of recessions as willing them on, then I apologize. I was failing to be funny. But the recession is here, whether you or I want rising standards or not. I can't will it on, whether I want to or not. And it will have effects, one of which may be the influx of different girls with a less spoilt approach. And I would welcome that, unashamedly.
Question to consider: if you could, would you double the per capita income in Thailand and alieviate poverty? Would you do it even knowing the monger prices would double? If you answer no, well, you and I disagree pretty fundamentally on what is important in life.In principle I understand where you are coming from. I repeat, I am just an observer; I cannot move anything, beyond the microcosm of a room session at any rate, when I can cut it all short if dissatisfied. But the effects on Thai GDP of my miserable EUR 50 half-hour are strictly limited, I fear. Unfortunately doubling the income of Thai prostitutes would probably only increase the wealth of stacked shoes manufacturers anyway.... Sorry, not your type of humour, I know, but some others may be more forgiving.
Dick Travel
02-04-09, 00:13
Is there a separate board for discussion about La Folie on Kaiser Friedrich Strasse? Or does that go under "Other FKK clubs"? That is the only FKK I've visited.
Would someone be interested in a report from five years ago?
Hi,
I believe you'll find posts on La Folie under the thread Europe>Germany>Berlin.
(Germany as opposed to Germany-Fkk Clubs)
5 yrs ago, sure go for it, makes for interesting comparisons for thos who attend currently.
DT
Ekliges Lauern
02-04-09, 02:24
Would someone be interested in a report from five years ago?
Well, we have been taking a stroll down memory lane in the World thread, so why not.
Hessen Bub
02-04-09, 08:31
Looks do count. So, does your ability to charm the ladies. Sometimes we seem to forget that the ladies do think beyond the 50E. HB has both.
Hey, you make me blush .... ;-)
Actually I do know a bunch of Germans preferring the big clubs, but also German folks preferring the smaller clubs, so I don't think it's a matter of nationality.
HB
Hey, you make me blush .... ;-)
Actually I do know a bunch of Germans preferring the big clubs, but also German folks preferring the smaller clubs, so I don't think it's a matter of nationality.
HB
Hey Sexy,
Actually I also know quite a few Germans who seem to gravitate to the bigger clubs. It is interesting to hear a number of locals complain about that same thing that Marlow has in another thread. That foreigners have ruined the FKK scene. I'm guessing that 60 to 70 % of the Germans that I meet and talk to in the clubs start in on this song when talking to me. Odd since as you know, I do not sound as though I was born in Hanover, but several of these guys freely unload their displeasure at how us foreigners have spoilt the girls and helped ruin the scene.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Actually I also know quite a few Germans who seem to gravitate to the bigger clubs.By contrast, it is surprising just how many locals at the small clubs at the far edges of the republic have never even heard of the big clubs in Hessen. I don't tell them too much, because I want them to continue to keep the smaller clubs I enjoy well-supported. ;-) ("Yeah, they're not bad, the odd good-looker here or there on the rare good day. But weisst Du, you get hassled by all these sharks and scammers out to overcharge you and skimping on the service, and then there are all these foreigners spoiling everything for us anyway, you best stick around here, Hans-Hermann....")
On the other topic, I agree that the Germans do have some grounds for complaint as to the watering effect of foreigners on standards. That's why I always plead for us to abide by their usances (e.g. generally no tipping). But they are famous for complaining about almost everything. There are a good number of clubs along the French border which would be long gone without the French customers keeping them afloat and enticing a better quality of provider into the bargain. And where would GT be without the Dutch? OK, better not answer that one :-) :-)
Hessen Bub
02-04-09, 15:05
how us foreigners have spoilt the girls and helped ruin the scene.
Marlow has made the point:
Mongers come to Germany because there is no other country in the world that can boast a similar standard or style. Yet they have succeeded in bringing with them the same low standards from which they are trying to escape. That to me is the downside of tourism the world over, whether you are at World's beach club or sitting on a beach in Spain or Cancun.
Foreigners are willing to accept lower standards (covered blow jobs, no DFK etc.) and on the other hand higher prices (100 EUR for a "nice half hour"). And newbies do not inform themselves about the pricing structure when entering a club. Can't blame one of the girls to be willing to accept 500 EUR for an hour if offered by a messe guest.
HB
Vito Corleone
02-05-09, 01:15
Foreigners are willing to accept lower standards (covered blow jobs, no DFK etc.) and on the other hand higher prices (100 EUR for a "nice half hour"). And newbies do not inform themselves about the pricing structure when entering a club. Can't blame one of the girls to be willing to accept 500 EUR for an hour if offered by a messe guest.
HB
As a guilty outsider, DFK is not a deal breaker for me. I enjoy it, but I wouldn't let it keep me from banging a hot babe. Covered BJ's, outrageous. I would walk out.
I have never paid 100E for a gfe session or dfk & etc. The girl will only receive 100E 30minutes for cim. I do not agree with the people who are willing to pay an extra 50E for kissing, but I do not rip those guys either.
Tipping? Ridiculous! I show my appreciation with CIM, longer sessions or multiple sessions.
I did admit there was a strong possibility I would have paid 50E while waiting for a room with Zarina during the xmas party @ World. I usually do not condone this form of hustle, but traveling as far as I do & only 50E seperates me from a session with Zarina then I think it would be worth it. If I lived in Germany, then zero chance of it happening.
500E for 1 hour! I would pay 2,000E to session with Kayden Kross.
Tuxsmasher
02-08-09, 19:12
Do you need to pay extra for covered blowjob ? t artemis for ex.?
Is it something the girls don't like or what?
@Vito - She really tried that on...and you stumped up. Is World full of bottom feeders, or what? (I mean the tottie).
Must remember to avoid World in future.
One of the delights of Bernd's parties is enjoying a long and satisfying blow job while standing in the corridor waiting for a room to be free, or for lack of space joining another couple on a bed and ending up in a foursome. And no extra charge.
Roll on Feb 19th.
(Or am I remembering the good old days which no longer apply, as my betters keep telling me - smile, I'm teasing)
Do you need to pay extra for covered blowjob ? t artemis for ex.?
Is it something the girls don't like or what?
Nope. BBBJ is the standard though and it is included (unless you are in Bayern in which case it would be illegal).
Nope. BBBJ is the standard though and it is included (unless you are in Bayern in which case it would be illegal).BBBJ isn't standard in Hamburg either, at least not in Atmos, where it was 20 Euros extra, for those who offered it. I think I've read a report about another FKK club in the north (Bremen?) where they allegedly didn't do BBBJ at all.
As there are fewer FKK clubs in the north than in NRW and Hessen, this may have something to do with lack of competition.
Was running some random airports thru kayak.com and found KLM is offering roundtrip tickets to Boston for 185 euro's. So if you are looking for a cheap flight to get a bunch of airmiles here's your chance.
fyi boston to frankfurt is almost 3 times this rate.
......not in Northern Germany nor Southern. The great hunched female of the species that eats you as if she is devouring plankton is more numerous in the Rhineland.
......not in Northern Germany nor Southern. The great hunched female of the species that eats you as if she is devouring plankton is more numerous in the Rhineland.
Hey Marlow,
In this part if D'land a female named Mother Nature is blowing like crazy. Looks like some heavy weather this weekend for Gents on Tour.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Hey Marlow,
In this part if D'land a female named Mother Nature is blowing like crazy. Looks like some heavy weather this weekend for Gents on Tour.
Cheers,
Dedalus
I know - I just drove through the Sour valley... it was scary, with even the Deutsche nutcases in the BorgMobiles taking it easy.
Now in the Etap and looking forward to some Oase, World and a whole lot a Rosie!
Are you not answering your mail D?
I know - I just drove through the Sour valley... it was scary, with even the Deutsche nutcases in the BorgMobiles taking it easy.
Now in the Etap and looking forward to some Oase, World and a whole lot a Rosie!
Are you not answering your mail D?
Hey Mikey,
Of course I am. Did I miss one of yours?
Cheers,
Dedalus
Basketcase
02-10-09, 23:32
Now in the Etap and looking forward to some Oase, World and a whole lot a Rosie!
Guten Tag Herr De H,
Please check the line up lists on the Oase thread and on the World thread. There is no Rosie working at this time that is known. Can you explain or describe a bit more of Rosie?
Is she blond or brunette? Is she slim or average build? What nationality and breast size? Any detail that you can provide may pinpoint this Rosie that you are looking for.
Gruss,
Basketcase
Guten Tag Herr De H,
Please check the line up lists on the Oase thread and on the World thread. There is no Rosie working at this time that is known. Can you explain or describe a bit more of Rosie?
Is she blond or brunette? Is she slim or average build? What nationality and breast size? Any detail that you can provide may pinpoint this Rosie that you are looking for.
Gruss,
Basketcase
Hey Mikey,
The man's too young to recall AC/DC.
Rosie's the one who:
When it comes to lovin'
Oh she steals the show
She ain't exactly pretty
Ain't exactly small
Forty-two, thirty-nine, fifty-six
You could say she's got it all
Ain't no fairy story
Ain't no skin and bone
But you give it all you got
Weighing in at nineteen stone
Just Mikey-Boy's Type! ;-)))
A mutual buddy of ours might have collected a few possibilities for ya a few weeks ago. One was a real Orca.
By the way, Mikey. That Bulgarian girl at World that you were over the moon about? Worthless!! Dull as dirt, my friend.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Are you not answering your mail D?
Hey Mikey,
You got mail. Sorry about that. Not sure how that one fell through the cracks.
At World look for Bulgarian Stella. Or Oana. A friend of ours had a so so to bad session with her. Sweet looking though, for a chubster.
Happy hunting. Hope you brought the elephant gun ;-))
Cheers,
Dedalus
Hey Mikey,
The man's too young to recall AC/DC.
Rosie's the one who:
When it comes to lovin'
Oh she steals the show
She ain't exactly pretty
Ain't exactly small
Forty-two, thirty-nine, fifty-six
You could say she's got it all
Ain't no fairy story
Ain't no skin and bone
But you give it all you got
Weighing in at nineteen stone
Just Mikey-Boy's Type! ;-)))
A mutual buddy of ours might have collected a few possibilities for ya a few weeks ago. One was a real Orca.
By the way, Mikey. That Bulgarian girl at World that you were over the moon about? Worthless!! Dull as dirt, my friend.
Cheers,
Dedalus
What is the heaviest girl you have been with?
Hey Mikey,
The man's too young to recall AC/DC.
Indeed. People pulling jokes all over this forum, getting foreginers to tip 50 Euros, Quoting classic heavy metal to describe fat birds, and somehow its all being taken at face value, which leads me to the next bit...
By the way, Mikey. That Bulgarian girl at World that you were over the moon about? Worthless!! Dull as dirt, my friend.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Would you believe I had forgotten about her? Turkish Adele at Oase wiped her from my memory... what was her name again? I remember black hair I think...
Do you remember that guy back in 2003 on Ignatzmice who did the alternative abbreviations list? YMMV was (as I remember) "I am obviously much better looking and more charmng than you are."
Ooooh, what a ***** I am tonight. You know I dont mean it mate. It will be because I just came back from Oaze and the place was empty. I went with some Bulgarian woman who pretended to be Turkish, bleach blond hair, filty looking with big tits. Worst case of BV I have noticed in years. I stopped after 5 mins and walked out.
Went with Morrocon / Spanish Louisa just to get a safe session in. Forgot to pull the pony tail at the last minute and got charged an extra 50 for cim!!! :-<
What is the heaviest girl you have been with?
Sober?
Truth is, Aki, it's not really my thing. Jenny at Oase is about as big as it gets for me, and she is such a sweetheart as well as being pretty darn fine, that it just doesn't bother me that she leans toward girthy.
I DID do a session once with Stephania at Oase once and she might be about the most sizable gal I have ever done, both in real and club life. At least that I can remember.
For what it's worth, she was dreadful. Thought she might be a XL winner given ORA (Outside the Room Attitude) but she was a dud for me. Both boring and restrictive.
There was a girl at World some years back named Ramona who was drop dead sexy and such a little sizable. Great session!!!
Mostly I go for the tall ones, but I won't turn my back on a cute gal who is vertically challenged either.
Cheers,
Dedalus, who will probably never get elected president of the "Chubby-Chaser's League"
There was a girl at World some years back named Ramona who was drop dead sexy and such a little sizable. Great session!!!
Dedalus, who will probably never get elected president of the "Chubby-Chaser's League"
Ah, yes, the famous "Romanza," favourite of our friend aus Darmstadt, right? She was a big-boned Transalvanian beauty, but not really fat. Whatever happened to her numero uno fan, Mr Nov., anyway? He used to be at the club every Sun, but suddenly kicked the habit I guess...
O
Ah, yes, the famous "Romanza," favourite of our friend aus Darmstadt, right? She was a big-boned Transalvanian beauty, but not really fat. Whatever happened to her numero uno fan, Mr Nov., anyway? He used to be at the club every Sun, but suddenly kicked the habit I guess...
O
Hey Man,
Saw him a few times at World last year. He is still not above making the occasional Roemerforum appearance.
True, Ramona was not fat, but certainly a little fleshy. Lovely gal!
One girl I forgot to mention is Eva (Romanian) who was actually one of my favorite sessions last year. I would not describe her as chubby, but she was starting to get a little thicker last few times I saw her. Splendid gal.. Mikey would love her.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Basketcase
02-11-09, 19:20
Whatever happened to her numero uno fan, Mr Nov., anyway? He used to be at the club every Sun, but suddenly kicked the habit I guess...
I guess the credit crunch, liquidity crisis and deleveraging process has taken its toll on a number of punters that attend the club.
The feedback from the girls is that attendance is down, and the guys that do come are spending less (just a €50 fucker session) and not going for the extras or they ask for €100 for one hour and no extras. Just plain suck and fuck for one hour.
I suppose what is hurting more is that there are less men coming to the club and are coming less frequently. In some respects the foreigners - the armies of Italiani are propping the FKK economy up in the tourist clubs.
Choas,
Basketcase
I guess the credit crunch, liquidity crisis and deleveraging process has taken its toll on a number of punters that attend the club.
The feedback from the girls is that attendance is down, and the guys that do come are spending less (just a €50 fucker session) and not going for the extras or they ask for €100 for one hour and no extras. Just plain suck and fuck for one hour.
I suppose what is hurting more is that there are less men coming to the club and are coming less frequently. In some respects the foreigners - the armies of Italiani are propping the FKK economy up in the tourist clubs.
Choas,
Basketcase
Now, god-dangit! You got me all confused now. I thought friggin' foreigners were just plain BAD for FKK clubs...Right, Marlow? Ist das nicht war, Herr Nick the G(entleman)?
Now you tell me foreigners are actually GOOD for the FKKs? I can't comprehend this! Damn, which is it? Please...straighten me out here...
Sober?
Mostly I go for the tall ones, but I won't turn my back on a cute gal who is vertically challenged either.
Cheers,
Dedalus, who will probably never get elected president of the "Chubby-Chaser's League"
What about Czech Linda? She is not exactly petite. Now here is a big girl who delivers the goods. She was for many years at Palace, a no-go club for Mike D. But now she holds court at Mike's own favourite Hessen love nest, World. So...Try it Mike, you just might Like her....
Basketcase
02-11-09, 20:27
Now, god-dangit! You got me all confused now. I thought foreigners were just plain BAD for FKK clubs...Right, Marlow? Ist das nicht war, Herr Nick the G(entleman)?
Now you tell me foreigners are actually GOOD for the FKKs? I can't comprehend this! Damn, which is it? Please...straighten me out here...
I appreciate the opinion of Marlow and Nick the G wanting to keep the FKKs for local Germans but in the tourist FKKs the feeling is that it is the foreigners that are providing the lifeblood of the sex providers which is hard earned euros. Maybe the girls are telling me what I want to hear but the best customers I hear are Italiani. They may not be the biggest spenders but there are many of them and they come often/frequently and come quickly.
Then there are the latin customers: Brazilians and South American customers and the customers from the Middle East - these guys can be high rollers and the girls just love them. Also there are the Russians who can spend a lot of money in the clubs. Some girls say (once again may be just pampering to me) that without these windfall customers who pay well you will not have the pretty girls in the club. the girls do not mention very much that it is British or Dutch or French. The Greeks do not even get a mention. I guess there are not enough British, Dutch, French customers that form a big enough client base.
The nations that keeps getting discussed are the Italiani, the Middle Eastern clients and the Americans with the odd Asian high roller. To have these foreign men as stammgust can really enhance a girls income.
All you will have are the girls happy to do a 30 minute session for €50 and in general they are not the best lookers (or optifucks). I am not starting an argument that XXXXXX is gorgeous and she is happy to take my €50 I am talking in generalisations and what I hear in the clubs.
If an optifuck can make better money elsewhere then they will. One girl said to me - the men want good looking girls that they can suck and fuck for €50 but if they keep forcing it to remain €50 sessions then there will be more and more pretty girls leaving the industry leaving the less best lookers happier to work the clubs since they provide all the services: kissing, BBBJ, DATY, sex in 20 positions for the full 30 minutes.
I mean was it not that some of the veterans here said that the girl line ups are not as good as they used to be. Also someone else said a couple of years ago there were scores of fantastic looking Russian girls in the clubs. Now these Russian girls are no longer working in the clubs. Where have they gone? I can only speculate that they have gone back to work in Russia where money is better or to the Middle East or to the Americas.
I mean was it not that some of the veterans here said that the girl line ups are not as good as they used to be. Also someone else said a couple of years ago there were scores of fantastic looking Russian girls in the clubs. Now these Russian girls are no longer working in the clubs. Where have they gone? I can only speculate that they have gone back to work in Russia where money is better or to the Middle East or to the Americas.
There are more factors to consider when discussing the decrease in the number of Russian (and Ukrainian) girls in the clubs over the past, say, 5 years. We've seen a tightening of restrictions in visa matters between Germany and non-EU Russian-speaking countries. There has also been more attention on trafficing into Germany and other EU countries. Plus many club managements have started to look more carefully at the papers of the girls who work in their clubs after a few Raids in the last years. Combine that with the economic factors that you mention and Russia in 2008/9 is not what Russia of 1999-2001 was economically either.
All of this adds up to a multi-faceted reason why there are significantly fewer Russian girls at many FKKs vs 5 or so years ago. Consider also that alot of the Russian-speaking girls at clubs like Oase these days have been living in Germany for several years. Steffi is a good example. She even speaks German with a near native accent. Gone are the days when these clubs would be full of Russian and Ukranian girls "fresh off the boat" so to speak, so fresh they barely spoke anyting but Ruskie...Wieponimaitch?
Ortos
Combine that with the economic factors that you mention and Russia in 2008/9 is not what Russia of 1999-2001 was economically either.
So just how is Russia's economy doing in these trying times? How does it compare from 99~01 and today? Im reading about things hitting the shitter basically in every country...but haven't heard anything on russia's economy.
So just how is Russia's economy doing in these trying times? How does it compare from 99~01 and today? Im reading about things hitting the shitter basically in every country...but haven't heard anything on russia's economy.
This are not as good as they were a year ago, but they are no where near as bad as the currency crisis. To give an objective measure, in the currency crisis, about 50% of the economy was based on barter. Now the estimate is between 5-10%.
In that case, I would suggest you check out www.economycarrentals.com. F.ex. 185 euros for a VW polo for a week. CDW with no excess and one extra driver included and unlimited milage. Have used them in the past, are good when doing longer rentals, but usually do not beat the weekend deals.
It is an agent so you wont know which rental company you end up with. When booking through them in the past, I have often ended up with Sixt, but once I ended up getting a car from Dollar which is kind of a pain since you will have to take a shuttle bus to the location that is about 15 minutes drive down the A5.
I've used economycarrentals.com on a number of occassions and I discovered the following:
1. If you pick up car at the airport, most often you will be diverted to Dollar rent-a-car, which is, as you say, a bit of pain, because their office is not in the airport at all, but in Moerfeld, an exit down the A5. So it means shuttle bus to pick-up your car, and shuttle bus on the return journey back to airport after drop off. That can translate into bothersome extra time on each leg.
2. To avoid this, simply enter the FFM Hbf (train station) office as the pick-up point. This way you will always get Sixt and you can then drop off the car directly at the airport Car Rental Return area. Saves alot of time and frustration on the return journy.
Ortos
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If an optifuck can make better money elsewhere then they will. One girl said to me - the men want good looking girls that they can suck and fuck for €50 but if they keep forcing it to remain €50 sessions then there will be more and more pretty girls leaving the industry leaving the less best lookers happier to work the clubs since they provide all the services: kissing, BBBJ, DATY, sex in 20 positions for the full 30 minutes.
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I think on this comment I rest my case. The clubs are being ruined by Timmy Tourist. This is the proof.
I'm thankful this attitude is ring fenced to Frankfurt and World. Both the girls who argue this spurious line and the men who support them with heavy tipping frankly deserve each other. The girl really does have you by the balls if you believe this stuff.
So let's do the maths. TT thinks he has to pay over the odds to get good service, he wants at least four sessions to make his visit worthwhile. So what is TT shelling out? A minimum of 200 and probably on the above logic close to double that.
Right. Marlow goes to a birthday party near Cologne next week. Three girls (it's one of them who has the birthday) have hired a villa with a swimming pool, sauna, masseuse. There is food and drink. All these girls are lookers, all three work internationally and have their own websites. There are no extras to pay for. They'll do sandwich, anal whatever is your pleasure.
The guest list is limited to ten men.
Marlow is paying 350 Euros for the evening. Marlow knows he not going to get scammed for an extra 50 waiting time, or charged for BBBJ, neither is he going to get a Barbie robot because he won't 'tip'. I think old Marlow is going to have a good time. Because this is a class evening.
Then on the Saturday Marlow meets up with Yvonne in Düsseldorf. They are booked to spend three hours together fooling around. Yvonne is vivacious, a college graduate 27/166/36 (or in English 27yrs, 5' 5'' and slim) and teacher with fluent English and French with only the 'words 'non', 'nein' and 'no' missing from her vocabulary. Yvonne will dress in whatever pleases him so long as he comes up with a Queen sized bed, because as Yvonne says 'I don't want to end up on the floor accidentally.' She too has a website.
For this Marlow is parting with 250 Euros.
Now you tell me who is getting the better deal in terms of quality girls and time.
If an optifuck can make better money elsewhere then they will. One girl said to me - the men want good looking girls that they can suck and fuck for €50 but if they keep forcing it to remain €50 sessions then there will be more and more pretty girls leaving the industry leaving the less best lookers happier to work the clubs since they provide all the services: kissing, BBBJ, DATY, sex in 20 positions for the full 30 minutes.
The other side of the coin is there are girls turning 18 every day....and to them that 50 euro's is sure better than the going wage at the local store. The longer the girl is in the business, the more jaded they become...so new talent is needed to keep things fresh. You can always find another favorite...
Foreign guests: as I've said before, there are 5-10 FKK clubs which would fold without their French and Belgian guests. They make up to 50% of the clients. No exaggeration. And they are appreciated. I am even finding that there are increasing numbers of French and Belgian girls working these clubs for this reason. A virtuous circle.
Russian/Ukrainian girls: Ortos is right. After the scandal at the Kiev German consulate about three years ago, the visa regime to Germany and other Schengen countries has been tightened considerably. Many of the "Russian"/"Ukrainian" girls who work the clubs these days are more German than Russian or Ukrainian. If they weren't born in Germany they come from Russian/German families that came over fifteen or so years ago. Steffi and Leonie at Oase are good examples. They speak a colloquial Russian, sure, but I bet they would have problems writing it accurately. Their German is excellent.
Russian economy: going down the shoot rapidly. Banks are betting against their own central bank on the rouble, and winning. That's why the exchange rate is going south, and the foreign exchange reserves dwindling rapidly. Oil price way down. Given that Russian corporates have hundreds of millions of currency debt coming due this year, which they will probably be unable to refinance, expect a blow out. As usual the poor on the streets outside Moscow will end up paying the bill and resorting to vodka. Unfortunately the girls will find it harder to get out and seek their economic salvation in the FKKs. Sorry, EL, but that is reality, not Tosc's wish fulfilment.
Marlow goes to a birthday party near Cologne next week. Three girls (it's one of them who has the birthday) have hired a villa with a swimming pool, sauna, masseuse. There is food and drink. All these girls are lookers, all three work internationally and have their own websites. There are no extras to pay for. They'll do sandwich, anal whatever is your pleasure.
The guest list is limited to ten men.
Marlow is paying 350 Euros for the evening. Marlow knows he not going to get scammed for an extra 50 waiting time, or charged for BBBJ, neither is he going to get a Barbie robot because he won't 'tip'. I think old Marlow is going to have a good time. Because this is a class evening.
Then on the Saturday Marlow meets up with Yvonne in Düsseldorf. They are booked to spend three hours together fooling around. Yvonne is vivacious, a college graduate 27/166/36 (or in English 27yrs, 5' 5'' and slim) and teacher with fluent English and French with only the 'words 'non', 'nein' and 'no' missing from her vocabulary. Yvonne will dress in whatever pleases him so long as he comes up with a Queen sized bed, because as Yvonne says 'I don't want to end up on the floor accidentally.' She too has a website.
For this Marlow is parting with 250 Euros.
Now you tell me who is getting the better deal in terms of quality girls and time.
Now, now Marlow. You remember what the Doctor told you about the delusional effect of speaking about yourself in the third person. Don't forget to take your medication...you need some rest.
Ekliges Lauern
02-13-09, 00:55
Now, now Marlow. You remember what the Doctor told you about the delusional effect of speaking about yourself in the third person. Don't forget to take your medication...you need some rest.
I was going to make one of my trademark snarky comments but you beat me to the punch.
I appreciate the opinion of Marlow and Nick the G wanting to keep the FKKs for local Germans ...
That's not what either of these guys ever said. They only made comments about the effects that foreign sex tourists have had on the local scene. We should be careful about such statements. I've never met Marlow but he has always struck me as a Gentleman through his board personality. Nick I have met on several occasions and although his board wit may be direct, he is a right fine Gent and not at all xenophobic.
but in the tourist FKKs the feeling is that it is the foreigners that are providing the lifeblood of the sex providers which is hard earned euros. Maybe the girls are telling me what I want to hear but the best customers I hear are Italiani. They may not be the biggest spenders but there are many of them and they come often/frequently and come quickly.
Yes, the girls are telling you want they think you want to hear. I can think of at least two gals at Oase (with whom I think you have also sessioned) who told me that the Italians either never go with them (they're Romanian) or treat them like crap once inside the room. True or not, it shows that these girls are not very consistent in with their stories.
Then there are the latin customers: Brazilians and South American customers and the customers from the Middle East - these guys can be high rollers and the girls just love them. Also there are the Russians who can spend a lot of money in the clubs. Some girls say (once again may be just pampering to me) that without these windfall customers who pay well you will not have the pretty girls in the club. the girls do not mention very much that it is British or Dutch or French. The Greeks do not even get a mention. I guess there are not enough British, Dutch, French customers that form a big enough client base.
The nations that keeps getting discussed are the Italiani, the Middle Eastern clients and the Americans with the odd Asian high roller. To have these foreign men as stammgust can really enhance a girls income.
Not really sure that this is correct either.
Most of the girls who do consistently well in this Bidness are the ones who develop Stammkunden from everywhere, but especially from locals and regular visitors from foreign nations (like yourself and some others who we both know.) But even a regular traveler like yourself is not going to finance a girl's lifestyle (not to mention that of her "Gigalo") so she either has to be either good at "Hit-and-Run" or develop a good client list. Many of the girls I know of who have taken the latter road have lists that are mostly comprised of Germans and locals.
If an optifuck can make better money elsewhere then they will. One girl said to me - the men want good looking girls that they can suck and fuck for €50 but if they keep forcing it to remain €50 sessions then there will be more and more pretty girls leaving the industry leaving the less best lookers happier to work the clubs since they provide all the services: kissing, BBBJ, DATY, sex in 20 positions for the full 30 minutes.
You don't really believe this, do you? Been watching this scene for years and have heard that story before. Ain't gonna happen. Some will leave the biz, that's for sure. But if these girls could go do high-class call-girl work for butt-loads of dough, then they would. In fact, I know some FKK girls who DO moonlight as escorts, but they STILL continue to work in the clubs.
Since you are interested in trying to learn some German, learn this phrase for the next time a girls tries to sing you that sympathy song:
"So etwas kommt bei mir nicht an."
I mean was it not that some of the veterans here said that the girl line ups are not as good as they used to be. Also someone else said a couple of years ago there were scores of fantastic looking Russian girls in the clubs. Now these Russian girls are no longer working in the clubs. Where have they gone? I can only speculate that they have gone back to work in Russia where money is better or to the Middle East or to the Americas.
They're still around. Not in droves like before. Lots of factors for this. Very few of which have to do with Emil Einwohner or Tommy Tourist.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Russian/Ukrainian girls: Ortos is right. After the scandal at the Kiev German consulate about three years ago, the visa regime to Germany and other Schengen countries has been tightened considerably. Many of the "Russian"/"Ukrainian" girls who work the clubs these days are more German than Russian or Ukrainian. If they weren't born in Germany they come from Russian/German families that came over fifteen or so years ago. Steffi and Leonie at Oase are good examples. They speak a colloquial Russian, sure, but I bet they would have problems writing it accurately. Their German is excellent.
Russian economy: going down the shoot rapidly. Banks are betting against their own central bank on the rouble, and winning. That's why the exchange rate is going south, and the foreign exchange reserves dwindling rapidly. Oil price way down. Given that Russian corporates have hundreds of millions of currency debt coming due this year, which they will probably be unable to refinance, expect a blow out. As usual the poor on the streets outside Moscow will end up paying the bill and resorting to vodka. Unfortunately the girls will find it harder to get out and seek their economic salvation in the FKKs. Sorry, EL, but that is reality, not Tosc's wish fulfilment.
Hey Tosc,
Excellent points about the presence of Russian (and Ukrainian, etc.) in the clubs today.
I remember back when PHG had a terrific collection of Russian workers. Most spoke German albeit rather poorly. Now it is as you describe. I never try to rap with the Russians girls in English. Most of them do not speak it. Serious German chops though. Steffi hardly has much of an accent. Neither does Melissa at GT. Olga at World has a strong accent, but speaks excellent German.
On another topic, I lately been wondering what a threesome with Hannah and Leonie/Edith would be like. They seem to get along well. Hmmmm...
Cheers,
Dedalus
Basketcase
02-14-09, 01:49
I've never met Marlow but he has always struck me as a Gentleman through his board personality. Nick I have met on several occasions and although his board wit may be direct, he is a right fine Gent and not at all xenophobic.
I have met Nick The G once in FKK World. I really liked him. Interesting and knowledgeable fellow. I hope to spend more time chatting with him in the club (in between girls of course as this is the main reason we are here). I think there is a lot that I can learn from Nick The G.
I have not had the luck to have met Marlow. Maybe I need to get into the German escort scene and private party scene. It sounds a lot like the private party scene at home.
You don't really believe this, do you? Been watching this scene for years and have heard that story before. Ain't gonna happen. Some will leave the biz, that's for sure. But if these girls could go do high-class call-girl work for butt-loads of dough, then they would. In fact, I know some FKK girls who DO moonlight as escorts, but they STILL continue to work in the clubs.
Since you are interested in trying to learn some German, learn this phrase for the next time a girls tries to sing you that sympathy song:
"So etwas kommt bei mir nicht an."
Girls from my experience do several different ways of sex provision from brothels, to parties to escorts - no one method will get them all the work that they may want or need.
Thanks for the German quote to add to my list of phrases. This is helpful.
Cheers,
Basketcase
Basketcase
02-14-09, 17:10
There are no better alternatives than Ryanair. They treat you like a bunch of cattle, but charge for a flight is also close to zero.
My last Sweden - Frankfurt Hahn return ticket cost me 20 Eurocent! This gives quite a lot of money left for more important things. There are some advices. Never check in luggage (cost a lot), always use Visa Electron for payment (free of charge, otherwise 3 Euro per one way trip), book as much as you can when they have promotion (and they have promotions all the time, just wait for the best = 0.01 Euro taxes and charges included). If you use the tickets or not is not a big thing at that pricing. I have booked 70 trips to Germany from now until Feb 08. At least two alternatives every week. Total damage 7 Euro.
I only recently cottoned onto the ryanair thing. The story was that their airports were too far away from where you want to be or flew at inconvenient times (early morning or late evening). The former is true but the later means you can maximise your time in the country that are in visiting - in this case Germany.
Checking in luggage can be like £8-9 a bag and paying by debit or credit card incurs £4.75 fee per leg of the journey. No need to pay for priority boarding at £1.90 a leg or travel insurance if you already have travel insurance through your credit card or in an annual policy. As Polar says pay by visa electron and there are no credit or debit card fees and never check in luggage. Just take a weekend bag or satchel. You do not need much clothes in the FKKs since you are naked bar a towel wrapped around you.
Also if you pick the right deal the taxes and fees are included in the flight price. There can be flights advertised as free but this is not really the case since there is a nominal charge of one pence or one euro cent.
Elements of Her Majesty's Army of the Rhine and I were discussing a particular point and find it absolutely hilarious when in the clubs to be sitting in a club in Germany in towels. I mean towels!!! Tell anyone at home what you have been doing and they think you have gone bonkers.
I have not managed to book 70 flights as Polar has done in one sitting but recently I have booked 35 return flights of various combinations of long weekend trips, midweek day trips and 2 days trips and the total cost of these 35 return flights has been 70 pence or about one USD$1. The reason for the 70 pence is that each leg is one pence and so a return flight is two pence. Two pence for a return flight times 35 flights booked is 70 pence. Now I am not going to be taking all of them but it gives me the flexibility to go out at certain times or days or come back earlier or later than I wanted depending on how I feel and the girl line ups.
Usually I pay around GBP20 to GBP25 for a return flight depending on when I am coming back. It is usually the UK end that is more expensive.
I have flown several times now for 2 pence return and it is nice to know that if you are flexible with times and what you can receive in customer service that you get the end result: which is to get yourself to Germany.
The reciprocal is the same for people going the other way so it would be nice to see more Germans in Europe. I know that people from my country travel extensively.
Vito Corleone
02-14-09, 18:35
What about Czech Linda? She is not exactly petite. Now here is a big girl who delivers the goods. She was for many years at Palace, a no-go club for Mike D. But now she holds court at Mike's own favourite Hessen love nest, World. So...Try it Mike, you just might Like her....
She is a little too big for me, but all the sessions I had with her did not include the good ol in & out. Evrytime, she just worked her oral magic that was so good, I did not feel like stopping her.
Vito Corleone
02-14-09, 19:03
I've never met Marlow but he has always struck me as a Gentleman through his board personality. Nick I have met on several occasions and although his board wit may be direct, he is a right fine Gent and not at all xenophobic.
I am sure Marlow & Nick are Gents & all the other good stuff, but they both seem to have issues with non locals. It might be unfair to call them xenophobic, but some of their posts sure seem that way.
Whether they like it or not, tourists are going to visit the FKK`s & these guys need to get over it.
I have just looked at Ryanairs website. Can I ask if you are flying to Frankfurt Hahn. If so which of Palace, Oase and World is closer.
Can you give me an approx distance and time to the nearest club please, by car.
Can one hire a car at Hahn, if so which company do you recommend.
Thanks very much
Z
Basketcase
02-14-09, 20:12
What about Czech Linda? She is not exactly petite. Now here is a big girl who delivers the goods. She was for many years at Palace, a no-go club for Mike D. But now she holds court at Mike's own favourite Hessen love nest, World. So...Try it Mike, you just might Like her....
There was in 2008 at Oase a girl called Melanie from Frankfurt who was friends with Toni from Frankfurt. She was a big girl and she certainly tried harder than her more slender colleagues. I never went to the room with her since I am not a chubby chaser but then also I was not getting talked into going off my type by my crew buddies.
Melanie certainly entertained the fantasies of some men who like their girls by the kilogram rather than the equivalent amount in pounds. I have not seen Melanie in the club since the Summer. She was a happy soul and was interesting to talk to. I understand that there are a couple of write ups of Melanie in the forum.
Cheers,
Basketcase
Basketcase
02-14-09, 21:06
i have just looked at ryanairs website. can i ask if you are flying to frankfurt hahn. if so which of palace, oase and world is closer.
can you give me an approx distance and time to the nearest club please, by car.
can one hire a car at hahn, if so which company do you recommend.
thanks very much
z
for the clubs in nrw the ryanair airports are dusseldorf weeze (nrn) in deutschland on the nederlands and allemania border or eindhoven - ein (home of psv eindhoven!!!!! for the league) in nederlands (nederlands is the home of many ijsberen).
there are car hire firms at each of these airports and so to get to golden time the drive is to golden time from nrn (about 50km) and ein (about 90km). in each case the drive is 45 minutes even for ein since it is motorway whereas the nrn is along country roads with restricted speed limits. you should be able top pick up £20 return - leave saturday and come back sunday night from nrn and ein from stn.
yes, the flights are from stn unless you an get to bhx in the midlands. i know that stn is not the most convenient for you.
for the clubs in hesse the ryanair airport in deutschland is frankfurt hahn (means cock in german) or hhn. the entry point of hhn is actually closer to luxembourg than it is to frankfurt but since it is administered by fraport who also operate frankfurt main airport the naming went to frankfurt. since it is also fraport expect efficient handling of landing and take off.
there is a bohrs omnibuss to ffm hbf for €12 one way (€24 return) that takes 1.45 hours and there is no toliet on the bus. remember to take a dump or [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) before getting on as the bus driver does not stop. if you take the bus in the factor in time to get on the bus - they are like hourly or half hourly depending on the time of day and also picking up trains in ffm to head to palace in hausen, oase in bhh or world in garbentich.
there are also numerous car hire companies in hhn so pick one up from www.sixti.com for €9.99 plus 19.5% service charge a day and drive the 137 kilometres to oase. i can do it in 1.25 hours. palace is closer at around 100 kilometres away from hhn but you are driving into the city as well whereas going to oase means you skirt the city. the drive to world from hhn is around 177 kilometers. once you get out of the palatine landes and into hesse landes you can also be doing high speed chase with the mercedes and porches in the fast lane.
there is also www.hertz.de; europacar; avis and other local firms. i usually use sixti (not sixt) as its cheaper but there are limits to 100 km per day unless you want to pay 15 cents per additional km over 100 km and cdw insurance is not inclusive in the price. however, you cannot sneeze at €9.99 a day plus 19.5% service. sixti from hhn is not generally viable due to the one way distance of 137 km unless you are doing 3 days then its 274km used up getting there and back and 26 km for getting to oase and back from your hotel in friedrichsdorf or bhh.
www.sixiti.com from nrn or ein is much more achievable for a 2 day trip since you get 200km for the 2 day car hire at €9.99 a day and from nrn as i said to golden time it is 50km so you use up 100km getting there and back from nrn with 100km left over to cruise around bruggen for your hotel or cash machines and to fill the car up with benzin. i usually fill thecar up at the 24 hour aral petrol station in weeze village.
from ein you can also do golden time or even yin yang at about 90km one way with 20km spare for your hotel in bruggen (2-3 km away from gt). i usually fill up the car on return at the shell station that is 5 km from ein airport.
i am not used to driving at 240 kmph per hour like my british colleagues who live in germany so i pot along at 160kmph since i am worried i drive the left hand side when it should be right hand side.
the drive between golden time to oase can be 2.5 hours to 3 hours depending on traffic. it can be done and i expect to be doing this leg as you know. or you can do what i have been recommended is take a combination of local trains and intercity trains from friedrichsdorf in the taunus to kaldenkirchen in nord rhein area of nrw on die bahn for €29 one way of booked in advance.
hope this helps zelatrix. the above is hard worked out logistics but you can see it is doable at reasonable cost. many others do it as well - swedes come into hahn from stockholm - many of the senior names here have done it. legions and centuries of italiani come up from the boot of europe and also a couple of britons.
cheers,
basketcase
Cheers matey,
Zelatrix junior wanted to write you a thank you note. See below. All his idea you understand (aplogies for the spelling)
Dear Uncle Basketcas,
Thank you very much for the directons. I am looking forward to making good use off them. One off the very nisest presence I have ever had.
Love Zelatrix (junior)
Basketcase
02-14-09, 23:44
Cheers matey,
Zelatrix junior wanted to write you a thank you note. See below. All his idea you understand (aplogies for the spelling)
Dear Uncle Basketcas,
Thank you very much for the directons. I am looking forward to making good use off them. One off the very nisest presence I have ever had.
Love Zelatrix (junior)
Zelatrix and Zelatrix (junior),
Danke schon for your thank note. It is appreciated.
I have updated my original reply to you for car hire firms and logistical information on what one needs to contemplate to get to GT from NRN and EIN airports. I also expanded it here and there to make what I wrote more understandable and clearer to readers who may not be familiar with ryanair, car hire firms and these obscure airports.
Cheers,
Basketcase
Basketcase
02-14-09, 23:52
I am sure Marlow & Nick are Gents & all the other good stuff, but they both seem to have issues with non locals. It might be unfair to call them xenophobic, but some of their posts sure seem that way.
Whether they like it or not, tourists are going to visit the FKK`s & these guys need to get over it.
The concept of the European union includes the concept of free movement for its nationals. Last I heard the UK was a reluctant part of that European Union and one of the yellow stars on that blue flag represents the UK and another one represents Germany. Regardless that the British when asked to sign up originally thought the European Union was really going to be a trade agreement there are inherent benefits in being one power block.
Tourism would be part and parcel of that free movement. I know that London is awash with non locals. We welcome them as expected by a cosmopolitan city. I would be totally against the movement for secession.
The concept of the European union includes the concept of free movement for its nationals.
Free movement, but no anonymous movement...i.e. a license plate in Texas is a plate of texas, that plate won't stand out differently in Houston as it would in Dallas. You could drive all over texas without anyone looking at you twice. But if your in Germany and in Viersen with a license plate starting with "DUS" the people all around you know that your not from Viersen.
So in a way its free travel...but travel the police can easily track. Only way for free anonymous travel in the EU would be to have a standard license plate with random numbers.
I am researching like crazy right now. A Saturday day trip from Stansted to Oase via Hahn is very doable. A weekend jaunt to Eindhoven also looking good.
As you can see I have decided not to squander my resources on valentines night. Very common thread at work in the last week is a guy saying "my life will be hell unless we do XYZ for valentines"
I will invest the saving in an FKK weekend
Z
Danke schon"Thank you already"?
Basketcase
02-15-09, 09:36
I am researching like crazy right now. A Saturday day trip from Stansted to Oase via Hahn is very doable. A weekend jaunt to Eindhoven also looking good.
As you can see I have decided not to squander my resources on valentines night. Very common thread at work in the last week is a guy saying "my life will be hell unless we do XYZ for valentines"
I will invest the saving in an FKK weekend
Z
Zelatrix,
Please find attached links to several of my June 2008 trip reports to Oase using HHN as an entry point include timings, prices paid, and practical information. Ignore the bits about girls, that is superfluous to this correspondence.
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Cheers,
Basketcase
Excellent research Bc.
I imagine that you do know, Zelatrix and Junior, that Cologne-Koeln airport just down the road from Dusseldorf is an excellent alternative for the NRW scene. I check airlines going into one or the other or both and simply pick the airport based upon the flight schedules and prices at the time. Sixt is a rental company that I usually end up using for the same reasons.
Cologne being a little further to drive to the clubs nearer the NL Border but smack in the middle of others such as Samya (which you both now know very
well, Bernd's etc).
I simply write to provide a modest addition to Bc's very full report on monger transport to the German FKK's for future reference.
E.
For the clubs in NRW the Ryanair airports are Dusseldorf Weeze (NRN) in Deutschland on the Nederlands and Allemania border or Eindhoven - EIN (home of PSV Eindhoven!!!!! for the league) in Nederlands (Nederlands is the home of many IJsberen).
Hope this helps Zelatrix. The above is hard worked out logistics but you can see it is doable at reasonable cost. Many others do it as well - Swedes come into Hahn from Stockholm - many of the senior names here have done it. Legions and centuries of Italiani come up from the boot of Europe and also a couple of Britons.
Cheers,
Basketcase
I am sure Marlow & Nick are Gents & all the other good stuff, but they both seem to have issues with non locals. It might be unfair to call them xenophobic, but some of their posts sure seem that way.
Whether they like it or not, tourists are going to visit the FKK`s & these guys need to get over it.
Hey Don Vito,
My respects to you.
As your consiliere I must inform you that I have indeed met a number of locals in the clubs who blame the current downturn in club standards on tourists and who wish that there were a selection policy at each club's entrance.
However I have never got the impression from Nick or Marlow that this is the case with them. Far from it, actually. Marlow, IMHO has made a few good points about the effect that tourists who accept less than top standards from the girls and the clubs could have on the overall scene. It's a fair point.
I'm the last one to tell you or anyone how or on who you or anyone else should spend your jack and I doubt that these guys are any different. BC has taken a bit of heat for paying a girl for waiting time. One reason is that the ISG brotherhood feels bad that he got snookered. The other is that it encourages poor service. But, at the end of the day, it's his bread to do with what he wants.
I'd never judge you for digging a sport-fuck with Isabella. In fact, if you can manage a SF with her, then I gotta take my fedora off to you. During my one tumble with her she was so lifeless that I considered checking her pulse. I wonder about it a little, since I know that there are girls who are at least as hot if not hotter, and who give more of an effort in the room. Also I know that you know this.
Again, I don't think any reasonable guy here is trying to shut out the tourists. And even if they were, it would be like trying to hold the ocean back with a broom. What I think everyone can agree on is that we would all like to see an overall higher performance standard from the girls and it is not unreasonable to think that our actions and attitudes might have both a positive and a negative influence.
On another note, I found a Bulgarian at GT last night named Julie who is the best new discovery for me this year. About 1.5M, dark hair, smokin' body with tastefully done bolt-ons. An absolute All Star in the room. Deep throats like there's no tomorrow. I have a feeling that you would really dig her. Not to be confused with Romanian Julie, who also has new bolt-ons and is not nearly as good.
Cheers,
Dedalus
The clubs are being ruined by Timmy Tourist. This is the proof.
I am sure Marlow & Nick are Gents & all the other good stuff, but they both seem to have issues with non locals. It might be unfair to call them xenophobic, but some of their posts sure seem that way.
Whether they like it or not, tourists are going to visit the FKK`s & these guys need to get over it.
Don't you hate it when the guy next to you takes a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in the shower? But you have to get over it. What's a little [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) or two, its going to happen. The girls like your [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) cause you have so much of it...so spread it around and pretty soon the guy on the other side of you will be pissing in the shower. Now the guy across from you starts pissing...and his friend who just finished his shower joins in... Why are you mad? Get over it already. A little extra [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) won't ruin the floor.
There's a major flood coming and Noah (he's the guy in the fedora and leather jacket) decides to build a boat and is loading all the hookers and hobbiests 2 by 2...but some of the hookers want their hobbiest partner to pay extra for standing next to them while they wait to board the boat. And ohhh, does that hooker look nice standing there all naked and everything...and timmy the hobbiest just can't help himself, he pays her the extra fee...but to reach his secreted 50 dollar bill which he's hid up his arse he knocks down one of the supports to the boat and sends it rocking.
Basketcase
02-15-09, 14:00
I am researching like crazy right now. A Saturday day trip from Stansted to Oase via Hahn is very doable. A weekend jaunt to Eindhoven also looking good.
As you can see I have decided not to squander my resources on valentines night. Very common thread at work in the last week is a guy saying "my life will be hell unless we do XYZ for valentines"
I will invest the saving in an FKK weekend
Z
Guten Tag Zelatrix,
Ja, a day trip is possible as is a weekend trip.
For a weekend trip you can leave on a Saturday morning on the 07:25 flight to HHN and be in your towel at Oase at 1pm or Palace at 12:30pm and stay all night to 05:00 for Oase /04:00 for Palace.
At the end of tht night you then head to your hotel for a few hours kip then back in the club at 10am for the next day stint on Sunday.
If going to Oase on Sunday and you were leaving on the 11:25 flight back to STN from HHN you would stay to say 19:30 before walking to BHH for the 20:02 HLB to Friedrichsdorf to connect with the 20:08 S9 train back to the FFM Hbf for the 21:00 bus to HHN which reaches HHN at 22:45 which is 40 minutes before your flight at 23:25. The security at HHN is efficient and usually only 2-5 people deep in the queue.
If leaving Oase on Monday morning since you want to stay for the Sunday night as well then follow this plan. Stay at Oase to 02:15 on Monday morning then take a taxi to the Hbf (€40) in time for the 03:00 bus from the Hbf to HHN. The bus arrives at 04:45 with plenty of time for the 06:25 flight to STN. The first train back to FFM Hbf is at 04:08 and arrives in FFM Hbf at 04:34 or so. This is too late for you to connect with either the 03:00 bus or the 04:00 bus to HHN from FFM Hbf.
At HHN airport the shops are open so have a croissant and an espresso. I usually have the rindwurst in brot for €2.50 while I wait. I have not gone that far continental as to eat croissants. Britons eat sausages for breakfast.
If you want to cut it a bit finer leaving from Oase then take a taxi from Oase at 03:15 to arrive at the FFM Hbf in time for the 04:00 bus to HHN. The 04:00 bus arrives at 06:00 since it goes via Mainz but this still gives you 25 minutes for your flight - get through security, etc... I have been on the tarmac at 06:30 at HHN and we still get stragglers getting on the plane due they taking the 06:00 arriving bus. We always seem to manage to get to STN for 06:40 arrival since it is really a 50 minute in the air flight.
Sorry this option means taking a €40 taxi instead of the €3.70 train to get from Oase to the FFM Hbf but it maximises your time in the club.
Doing Palace on the Sunday leg of a 2 day trip means you are in Hausen and the taxi ride is a more modest €10 to get to the FFM Hbf. So maybe the better bet is Oase on Saturday and Palace on Sunday albeit it is a no brainer that Oase has the best line up of the Hessen 3 on a Sunday in my opinion. Just like Golden Time on a Sunday is the better of the NRW Golden Triangle area.
Sometimes the Sundays at Oase can be really good because there are some girls that only work on Sunday. For example, Santina (Poland) was not spotted working on Saturday but was working Sunday and some of the other girls that we all know and love like working when the club is not busy as they hate waiting for a room due to the hordes of guests that come during messe and for the weekend.
There were times in 2008 when I was sobbing quietly to myself when I had to leave at 19:30 seeing the beauties arriving to work on Sunday evening.
For a day trip midweek you can leave on a Wednesday (Mittwoch) morning - get to the clubs by 1pm and stay all night to say 2am or 3am on Thursday (Donderdag - Dutch) then head back to the airport to go back home in time for work at 09:00 by taking the 06:25 flight to STN from HHN arriving at 06:40, pass through the UK border takes like less than 1 minute as a European as there are no queues at 06:45 at STN and then taking either the 06:45 or the 07:25 bus back to LDN arriving at 08:25 with 35 minutes for the tube ride to the office. If you get the 06:45 bus (yes, literally sometimes I get off the plane at 06:40 and through the tough UK border control in less than 5 minutes) to LDN then you have more time to get to work. Once again the premise is to take a taxi from Oase to the Hbf which costs around €40.
Another option altogether is to hire a car from HHN to go to Palace or Oase and if you have the miles get to World. The car hire for 3 days with Sixti is €43.15 that gives you 300 km on the clock to use. Do not worry that you are bringing the car back a day early on a 3 day hire - these things happen and what you are after is the cheap car hire. The 300km gets you the 137 km from HHN to Oase and also allows for the 137 km back to HHN from Oase with 26 km spare to drive around for hotels and food. You may spend about €30 or less on petrol depending on the petrol price. Now compare that €73.15 versus the €24 for the bus return, the two lots of €3.70 on the train for the S9 S Bahn and also taxis at say €9 a pop at a rate of four times (two return trips from the Friedrichsdorf hotel to Oase and back from Oase to Friedrichsdorf hotel or to the bahnof if you are leaving) makes €67.40 already compared to car hire and petrol of €73.15. If you are doing the late night getaway on public transport then discount the €40 taxi from Oase to FFM Hbf as you now have a car that you drive direct to the airport at HHN.
Hope this logistical information helps for auslanders. The same concept applies to the Swedes, Spanish, Italiani, Slovaks, Maroccans, Latvians, Poles, even Germans from Berlin, etc... who all have connections into HHN from their countries or cities.
Cheers,
Basketcase
Hi,
I have a evening free in Dusseldorf and fly out of Dusseldorf international airport early on Wednesday Morning.
Is there anywhere near the airport anybody can recommend.
I'm thankful this attitude is ring fenced to Frankfurt and World. Both the girls who argue this spurious line and the men who support them with heavy tipping frankly deserve each other. The girl really does have you by the balls if you believe this stuff.
... and let's keep it that way. It funnels tourists to the Hessen 3, which is just fine.
I am, as everyone knows, not a fan of the Hessen 3 but if the average tourist will stick with those clubs, then so much the better.
I'll stick to my favorite off-the-beaten path clubs.
Sir you are a fanatic, my kind of fanatic.
I love the details and the logistics so am currently O/Ding on it all. Zelatrix Junior is somewhat less cerebral I am afraid.
I am planning a trip over the May bank holiday on the back of all this.
Thanks also to Excess. Maybe I will see you at Samya. I have two trips booked in the short term. Come to think of it how about you and me hit Samya BC.
I have to chortle when I hear about my colleagues adventures in UK lap dancing clubs. They cant understand why I dont go...
Z
Basketcase
02-15-09, 20:49
Sir you are a fanatic, my kind of fanatic.
I love the details and the logistics so am currently O/Ding on it all. Zelatrix Junior is somewhat less cerebral I am afraid.
I am planning a trip over the May bank holiday on the back of all this.
Thanks also to Excess. Maybe I will see you at Samya. I have two trips booked in the short term. Come to think of it how about you and me hit Samya BC.
I have to chortle when I hear about my colleagues adventures in UK lap dancing clubs. They cant understand why I dont go...
Z
I have given up on UK lapdancing clubs as well. I think now about the amounts of money that I use to drop in those places. My wedge was continually depleted. My UK crew kept telling me there were far more VFM alternatives in Thailand. For me Thailand does not give me the quick fix like Amsterdam did and even there something was missing as it was so mechanical but I did enjoy the city for its freedoms.
Spain was also another alternative and the clubs there remind me of the sauna clubs of NRW. The FKks though combine what I think I have been looking for as an outlet with naked girls and sex for a reasonable outlay rather than the excessive amounts demanded in UK. Also the service levels are way higher for the €50 for half a hour that you would not get in UK for twice the price.
Main issue is the need to travel, the time involved and need to excuse yourself to get over to Germany. The additional fixed costs at times make a the several punts made in Germany the equivalent of the cost of a roll around on the hard bed in a seedy massage parlour in Euston or Kings Cross.
I have trips booked for both May bank holidays for Hessen already. Nice long weekend in FKK land.
I have not been to Samya in Koln since it is in between my fave clubs in the Golden Triangle area like Golden Time and the Hessen 3. The club from its website looks good. I guess it is a flight into CGN with Easyjet from LGW or Air Berlin from STN as the closest entry points.
At present I would be hard pressed to leave my beloved Tourist clubs.
Zelatrix, you must remember that I am not German and cannot speak German and I do not act German (I mean I jaywalk like Brits do whereas Europeans don't). I am a tourist. Here for a good time not a long time up for any loving since any loving is good loving.
Cheers,
Basketcase
The car hire for 3 days with Sixti is €43.15 that gives you 300 km on the clock to use. Do not worry that you are bringing the car back a day early on a 3 day hire - these things happen and what you are after is the cheap car hire.If you know you''ll only need a Sixti for 2 days, don't hire it for 3 days just to get 100 extra km, it won't work. If you bring it back on the second day, you will be automatically reinvoiced 2 days rent + rebooking fee (some 5€) + all the km excessing 200. That's still fine if you wanted to be flexible on the third day. Otherwise, just rent the car for 2 days and spare the unnecessary rebooking fee. I guess that with Sixti the advertising we make for them by driving around a car fitted as a sandwich board gets into the bargain. Nobody can read their promotions while the car sits in an airport parking lot.
Basketcase
02-15-09, 23:32
If you know you''ll only need a Sixti for 2 days, don't hire it for 3 days just to get 100 extra km, it won't work. If you bring it back on the second day, you will be automatically reinvoiced 2 days rent + rebooking fee (some 5€) + all the km excessing 200. That's still fine if you wanted to be flexible on the third day. Otherwise, just rent the car for 2 days and spare the unnecessary rebooking fee. I guess that with Sixti the advertising we make for them by driving around a car fitted as a sandwich board gets into the bargain. Nobody can read their promotions while the car sits in an airport parking lot.
Hi Gattonero,
I did not realise that Sixti was kind enough to refund you 1 day if you hire for 3 days and bring the car back early. Is what you say from experience?
The times when I have booked 2 day car hire with Sixti and did not even use the car, that is I did not even check into get and it was left it in the carpark - I still got charged for 2 days (€23.87).
The point was to do the Oase run from HHN using Sixti as the cheapest car hire means you need at least 300 km for a 2 day trip. The reason one needs 300 km is that the one way trip from HHN to Oase is 137 km meaning the return trip is 137km at least and you need some spare km to get around to hotel and pick up cash and petrol. You need to book 3 days so that you can get 300 km but you will in reality only use it for 2 days as you come back on the end of the second day to return the car. Booking Sixti for 3 days is cheaper than booking Hertz, Avis, Europcar or normal Sixt at there normal prices for 2 days.
If what you are saying is that Sixti refunds you your third day and charges you for 2 days plu a €5 admin charge then that should be something like €31.05 for 2 days and then adding on €5 we get to €36.05 plus excess km at say 90km at 15 cents each is another €13.50 making €49.55 compared to if one hired the car for 3 days and actually used it for 3 days at €43.15. So one is paying in excess €6.40 which comprises mainly of the €5 admin charge.
So what you are saying is hire the Sixti car from HHN for €31.05 for 2 days (maybe less if you can get the €9.99 a day deals) and pay for the excess over 200 km at 15 cents per km.
If one were to get the €9.99 per day deal then for 2 days car hire it is €23.85 plus excess km at €13.50 for the extra 90 km makes €37.35 plus say €30 for petrol being generous.
In all the times that I have hired through Sixti going for the VW polo or Smart I have ended up with Alfa Romeo Sypders, VW Fox, Ford Fiesta, all sorts of cars and only one time gladly did I get a car with the advertising hoarding on it. One can feel a bit embarassed arriving in GT or Oase with a bright orange painted car with hire this car from €5.00 a day!!!
I have never been able to hire a Sixti car for €5 a day but I have many times hired cars through Sixti at €9.99 a day plus 19.5% service charge.
Cheers,
Basketcase
Hi Gattonero,
I did not realise that Sixti was kind enough to refund you 1 day if you hire for 3 days and bring the car back early. Is what you say from experience?
I think he's saying that he rented a car from sixte for 3 days to get the 300km's from the 3 day rental, intending only to keep it for 2 days...but when he returned the car early he got charged extra for the extra miles and an early return.
"Thank you already"?
I think he meant Danke schoen with an umlaut otherwise it is exactly that: "Thank you already".
I always get a kick out of Bitte schoen which is literally "pretty please".
I used to fly Sabena to Brussels and then take other means of transport to get to NRW.
It used to puzzle me that the stewardesses would say things in English like: "Tea, please. Coffee, please." as they would walk the aisles offering the tea or coffee.
It must be an expression in Nederlaendisch when offering something and they were doing a direct word-for-word translation into English of this expression.
It must be like "Tee, bitte?" or "Kaffee, bitte?".
Vito Corleone
02-16-09, 14:38
Hey Don Vito,
My respects to you.
As your consiliere I must inform you that I have indeed met a number of locals in the clubs who blame the current downturn in club standards on tourists and who wish that there were a selection policy at each club's entrance.
However I have never got the impression from Nick or Marlow that this is the case with them. Far from it, actually. Marlow, IMHO has made a few good points about the effect that tourists who accept less than top standards from the girls and the clubs could have on the overall scene. It's a fair point.
I'm the last one to tell you or anyone how or on who you or anyone else should spend your jack and I doubt that these guys are any different. BC has taken a bit of heat for paying a girl for waiting time. One reason is that the ISG brotherhood feels bad that he got snookered. The other is that it encourages poor service. But, at the end of the day, it's his bread to do with what he wants.
I'd never judge you for digging a sport-fuck with Isabella. In fact, if you can manage a SF with her, then I gotta take my fedora off to you. During my one tumble with her she was so lifeless that I considered checking her pulse. I wonder about it a little, since I know that there are girls who are at least as hot if not hotter, and who give more of an effort in the room. Also I know that you know this.
Again, I don't think any reasonable guy here is trying to shut out the tourists. And even if they were, it would be like trying to hold the ocean back with a broom. What I think everyone can agree on is that we would all like to see an overall higher performance standard from the girls and it is not unreasonable to think that our actions and attitudes might have both a positive and a negative influence.
On another note, I found a Bulgarian at GT last night named Julie who is the best new discovery for me this year. About 1.5M, dark hair, smokin' body with tastefully done bolt-ons. An absolute All Star in the room. Deep throats like there's no tomorrow. I have a feeling that you would really dig her. Not to be confused with Romanian Julie, who also has new bolt-ons and is not nearly as good.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Tom Hagen,
My respects consiglieri. All the local Germans I`ve met have been pretty nice & cool guys to talk to. Since I do not speak the language, they could be telling me to fcuk off. I agree some of the newbies make questionable desicions, but this also effects the tourist. I have had women @ GT, Oase, World & Palace size me up & realize I am no newbie then change tactics.
Maybe the locals will get their wish oneday, but the owners of these clubs originated in California & the Midwest.
I did not realise that Sixti was kind enough to refund you 1 day if you hire for 3 days and bring the car back early. Is what you say from experience?Yes from experience, it occurred to me two times. I had booked for 2 days, and had to return the car after only one day. I was then charged for 1 day, all km in eccess of 100, and a cancellation fee of 6.94€+VAT (the rental per day was 8.39€+VAT+19% premium location). In both cases I ended up paying more than I would have without the amendment. One time that I already knew at pick-up time that I could keep the car only for one day (had booked for two days), and yet I had to travel more than 200km. Sixti desk attendant advised me not to change the booking and I would have just paid the prise for two days with 200km included. The invoice center nevertheless amended the invoice in their favour. When I later show this invoice to the attendant she was kind enough to send an email to the invoicing centre asking if I could be charged as for a two day booking instead, but I never got a reply. It's still to be seen what would happen in case the excess mileage would not be enough to compensate for the reimbursed fare for the unused rental day. I suspect the invoice procedure automatically chooses the case (amend or not amend original booking) most favorable to rental company.
The times when I have booked 2 day car hire with Sixti and did not even use the car, that is I did not even check into get and it was left it in the carpark - I still got charged for 2 days (€23.87).I can confirm this experience too. In this case no excess km was chargeable, than an amendment to a 1 day no show charge + cancellation fee would still have been favorable to the customer. That's why we were still charged for two days.
The point was to do the Oase run from HHN using Sixti as the cheapest car hire means you need at least 300 km for a 2 day trip.Giving up part of the flexibility, and if you have plenty of time, you could maybe arrange a trip by a combination of car hire and public transport. Take the Bohr bus from HHN to Frankfurt, exit at FRA airport bus stop, and pick-up a Sixti there. Then drive the shorter route to Oase or whichever destination is in the area. The spared km (mileage charges and fuel cost) would probably more than compensate for the bus ticket cost. Still you need to check bus timetables, and account for the time needed to move around in FRA airport (Sixti is in a different terminal from Bohr bus stop), and take care of booking a seat on your return bus (as it leaves from Frankfurt HBF there's a risk that no more seats are available by the time it gets to FRA)
In all the times that I have hired through Sixti going for the VW polo or Smart I have ended up with Alfa Romeo Sypders, VW Fox, Ford Fiesta, all sorts of cars and only one time gladly did I get a car with the advertising hoarding on it. One can feel a bit embarassed arriving in GT or Oase with a bright orange painted car with hire this car from €5.00 a day!!!Most of the times I get a Smart with advertising on. I don't complain. It's very fuel efficient: either you get a diesel or a gasoline with ECO power management (stops the engine every time you're still with feet on the brake, and engine starts immediately as soon as you release the brakes). And every time I get on board and read the advertising, I chuckle to myself at the thought of the money I'm saving to be better invested in the hobby. Moreover, any girl which catches me arriving at a club can get an instant clue on my tipping habits!
Cheers!
Basketcase
02-16-09, 22:15
Yes from experience, it occurred to me two times. I had booked for 2 days, and had to return the car after only one day. I was then charged for 1 day, all km in eccess of 100, and a cancellation fee of 6.94€+VAT (the rental per day was 8.39€+VAT+19% premium location). In both cases I ended up paying more than I would have without the amendment. One time that I already knew at pick-up time that I could keep the car only for one day (had booked for two days), and yet I had to travel more than 200km. Sixti desk attendant advised me not to change the booking and I would have just paid the prise for two days with 200km included. The invoice center nevertheless amended the invoice in their favour. When I later show this invoice to the attendant she was kind enough to send an email to the invoicing centre asking if I could be charged as for a two day booking instead, but I never got a reply. It's still to be seen what would happen in case the excess mileage would not be enough to compensate for the reimbursed fare for the unused rental day. I suspect the invoice procedure automatically chooses the case (amend or not amend original booking) most favorable to rental company.
I can confirm this experience too. In this case no excess km was chargeable, than an amendment to a 1 day no show charge + cancellation fee would still have been favorable to the customer. That's why we were still charged for two days.
Giving up part of the flexibility, and if you have plenty of time, you could maybe arrange a trip by a combination of car hire and public transport. Take the Bohr bus from HHN to Frankfurt, exit at FRA airport bus stop, and pick-up a Sixti there. Then drive the shorter route to Oase or whichever destination is in the area. The spared km (mileage charges and fuel cost) would probably more than compensate for the bus ticket cost. Still you need to check bus timetables, and account for the time needed to move around in FRA airport (Sixti is in a different terminal from Bohr bus stop), and take care of booking a seat on your return bus (as it leaves from Frankfurt HBF there's a risk that no more seats are available by the time it gets to FRA)
Most of the times I get a Smart with advertising on. I don't complain. It's very fuel efficient: either you get a diesel or a gasoline with ECO power management (stops the engine every time you're still with feet on the brake, and engine starts immediately as soon as you release the brakes). And every time I get on board and read the advertising, I chuckle to myself at the thought of the money I'm saving to be better invested in the hobby. Moreover, any girl which catches me arriving at a club can get an instant clue on my tipping habits!
Cheers!
Thank you Gattonero for the advice. Your experience will help me shape my future trips to come.
For my next 2 day trip to FFM I am going into HHN as my entry point to the Continent then driving the 137km to Oase then 5km at the end of the night to my hotel and then next day 5km back to Oase and then at the end of that second night I drive back to HHN for flight home for another 137 km so totalling 284km if I do not take accidental detour. For this to get to 300km I have hired for 3 days but return the Sixti car back after 2 days.
Based on what you are saying from experience is that Sixti noting that I have returned the car early will charge me for the 2 days usage regardless that I had booked for 3 days and then charge an admin fee on top plus charge for km in excess of the 200 km for the revised 2 day car hire which in this case is 84 km at 15 cents a km or €12.60 plus VAT and service charge probably. Yes you are right that this will end up costing more than the original 3 day car hire of €43.15. As you say every saving made elsewhere means for cash for the hobby to keep the girls happy and in the business that makes us happy.
So next time I do this 2 day trip I should just book the 2 days and pay for the km in excess of 200 km free allowance which could be €23.85 for 2 days and say €12.60 for the excess km making €36.45 plus say €30 for petrol being generous gives a total of €66.45. This is still quite good for 2 days car hire and Hertz, Sixt, Europcar would be hard pushed to beat it.
Good way of thinking positively about when a girl working in the club may see you drive a car with the bright orange Sixti advertising on it and may think you cheap. But this is the exact thing you want her to think so she does not try it on to charge you extras as you will have none of it.
I always felt self conscious with driving a cheap Sixti hire car if it came with the bright orange adverts on it. Luckily for me and my ego I have only had the one time out of NRN where I took the Smart with the bright orange adverts on it. At HHN in their carpark I saw no Smarts and no bright orange coloured hire cars. All were for the small cars a VW fox or VW polo or Ford Fiesta.
Cheers,
Basketcase
Last night at Oase, as Dedalus and I were resting on the lounge chairs in the sauna, a corpulent Middle Eastern type emerged from the sauna wearing his robe, entered the cold shower room, and without even running the water, proceeded to tinkle away his bladder contents in the tiled shower that Oase thoughtfully built for our pleasure. He then entered the steam bath. Within 1 minute, a burly security guard entered the sauna hut, rinsed away the yellow deposit, and went looking for the filthy pig in the sauna. We pointed him to the steam bath but he laughed and opted to wait outside for the offender saying it was too wet in there.
Moral of the story-- saunas are videouberwacht, don't [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) where you sweat.
beffen-grossed out but amused
Last night at Oase, as Dedalus and I were resting on the lounge chairs in the sauna, a corpulent Middle Eastern type emerged from the sauna wearing his robe, entered the cold shower room, and without even running the water, proceeded to tinkle away his bladder contents in the tiled shower that Oase thoughtfully built for our pleasure. He then entered the steam bath. Within 1 minute, a burly security guard entered the sauna hut, rinsed away the yellow deposit, and went looking for the filthy pig in the sauna. We pointed him to the steam bath but he laughed and opted to wait outside for the offender saying it was too wet in there.
Moral of the story-- saunas are videouberwacht, don't [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) where you sweat.
beffen-grossed out but amused
Hey Beff,
I didn't see him the rest of the evening, so maybe he DID indeed get the ole' Bum's rush. One can only hope.
I like Oase, but for some reason to many of the clubs guests treat the facilities like a toilet. Pissing in the shower is tame compared to some of the stories I have heard.
Cheers,
Dedalus, hoping that the fat moose craps his pants one day in the midst of rush hour.
Dick Travel
02-17-09, 20:20
Some have suggested the credit crunch and recession will lower the numbers of active FKK hobbyists. However I have just read an interesting blog on the recession which refferred to some interesting articles and statistics...
From the Times, London - an article discussing a sudden rise in STDs in the "City"
"We agreed that if someone is in danger of unemployment, or already jobless, then insecurity and loss of self-esteem may produce recklessness and a desire for escapism. And people who have been rejected, or are in danger of being rejected, by their bosses and clients, may feel the need to boost battered egos by displaying prowess at the bar and in the bed - often one after the other. Cummings has noticed not only a rise in the number of City workers with these diseases but also a deterioration in their liver-function tests. "
and from the Guardian newspaper website an amusing article giving statistics on the changing requests 118118 a national directory enquiries service are getting...
"The data gives a worrying picture of the nation's sexual predelictions. Requests for pole and lap dancing outlets were up 469%, calls for escort agencies increased by 40%, while calls for sex shops increased by 1,312%. "I hesitate to say that the UK has gone sex mad, but the figures do seem to paint their own picture"
As the blogger I was reading said in reference to the British publics apparent passive acceptance of a recession...
"This passivity has gone side by side with an outburst of hedonism and escapism"
So maybe as things get worse, and I believe there's a long way to go, we might see a sudden rush of people thinking "what the heck, I'll blow some money on FKK's, I'm going to be skint anyway". I can't think of a better way to "escape" the world for a few hours!
Thoughts?
DT
When going to a restaurant or taking a taxi should I leave a tip like here in the USA?
Thanks for any help
Hessen Bub
02-18-09, 09:52
When going to a restaurant or taking a taxi should I leave a tip like here in the USA?
You can. There's no obligation, service and tax is included in restaurants. If you do, it doesn't have to be 15%. Just round it up, so if taxi fare is 23,50 EUR, make it 25 EUR. If in the restaurant the bill is 56, make it 60. Depends on how good the service was.
HB
Some have suggested the credit crunch and recession will lower the numbers of active FKK hobbyists. However I have just read an interesting blog on the recession which refferred to some interesting articles and statistics...
From the Times, London - an article discussing a sudden rise in STDs in the "City"
"We agreed that if someone is in danger of unemployment, or already jobless, then insecurity and loss of self-esteem may produce recklessness and a desire for escapism. And people who have been rejected, or are in danger of being rejected, by their bosses and clients, may feel the need to boost battered egos by displaying prowess at the bar and in the bed - often one after the other. Cummings has noticed not only a rise in the number of City workers with these diseases but also a deterioration in their liver-function tests. "
and from the Guardian newspaper website an amusing article giving statistics on the changing requests 118118 a national directory enquiries service are getting...
"The data gives a worrying picture of the nation's sexual predelictions. Requests for pole and lap dancing outlets were up 469%, calls for escort agencies increased by 40%, while calls for sex shops increased by 1,312%. "I hesitate to say that the UK has gone sex mad, but the figures do seem to paint their own picture"
As the blogger I was reading said in reference to the British publics apparent passive acceptance of a recession...
"This passivity has gone side by side with an outburst of hedonism and escapism"
So maybe as things get worse, and I believe there's a long way to go, we might see a sudden rush of people thinking "what the heck, I'll blow some money on FKK's, I'm going to be skint anyway". I can't think of a better way to "escape" the world for a few hours!
Thoughts?
DT
... there was, indeed, an escapist thing.
The reality of my shrunken investment portfolio won't go away. Ach!
Now that I am back, its back to the grindstone... until I can get away again.
Some have suggested the credit crunch and recession will lower the numbers of active FKK hobbyists.I think it already has.
Guy I spoke to at Oase admitted he had financed his hobby for several years by borrowing and speculating in the boom. In other words he had been drawing on his book gains to service the gals. Now his portfolio is worth less than half what it was, and the debt is still there and being margin-called. Result: much less cash. At least he still strolls down the Oase colonnade from the carpark occasionally.
One way or another, this must be the situation of quite a few punters. Then there are the newly unemployed, which has really only just started in Germany.
I don't think Germans are mentally as reckless or escapist as the Brits described in those blogs. They will batten down the hatches financially (they usually do, probably too much for the health of the economy), and return when their income picks up again.
I don't think Germans are mentally as reckless or escapist as the Brits described in those blogs. They will batten down the hatches financially (they usually do, probably too much for the health of the economy), and return when their income picks up again.
And, if indeed the Germans start to curtail their FKKing seriously for several months (or longer?) until their personal finances improve, what will happen to the clubs in the meantime? If the normal numbers of local Stammgaeste start to dwindle to insignificant numbers, will there be a suffient day-to-day client base to keep these clubs operating...and (just as important) stocked with the right kind of SPs? That is the question....
Sure, maybe clubs like Palace and Oase in Hessen can keep on going, but clubs like F39, Babylon, etc (and there must be a host of them), which rely strongly (if not entirely) on local Deutsche clientele may be put to an evil stress test in the worst-case scenario...
Can anybody foresee the day that, just maybe, some of these clubs will only open Thurs - Sunday to spare operating costs? Or will they start to skimp on the food: Remember in the "Glory Days" World would spare no expense and serve such exotic dishes like "Hachbaellchen ala Toscana." In a few months they might have to sink down to "Spam ala Toscana." Now that would be SAD. You can see why Oase is my favourite club of the Hessen 3: You see they are well ahead of the curve in reducing the quality of the food they serve even before there was any financial crisis. And Palace is obviously managed by a smart, money-wise team: First they raised their Eintritt to 75E some time agoa and they turned down the heat in their water boiler by only allowing maximum shower temps to reach a tepid 31-degrees. That is smart!
Ortos
Hi all,
I am staying overnight at Munich airport (Kempinski hotel) whilst waiting for a flight on Sunday, so was looking at trying out an FKK club for the first time if there is one near (taxi ride) from Munich airport.
Any suggestions welcome guys, and also any advice for an FKK newbie.
Cheers all,
Basketcase
02-19-09, 01:38
Guy I spoke to at Oase admitted he had financed his hobby for several years by borrowing and speculating in the boom. In other words he had been drawing on his book gains to service the gals. Now his portfolio is worth less than half what it was, and the debt is still there and being margin-called. Result: much less cash. At least he still strolls down the Oase colonnade from the carpark occasionally.
One way or another, this must be the situation of quite a few punters. Then there are the newly unemployed, which has really only just started in Germany.
I don't think Germans are mentally as reckless or escapist as the Brits described in those blogs. They will batten down the hatches financially (they usually do, probably too much for the health of the economy), and return when their income picks up again.
Some of the girls are saying the same thing. One girl said that some of her regulars (Stammgast) no longer come to see her, the ones that do still come may still do the 1 or 2 hour session but may not go for the extras opting for the straight suck and fuck. I guess there will be less of the extravagance or opportunistic splash outs by guests.
The situation of the gentleman that you describe Toscana is not uncommon. There are guests that have portfolios that are underwater or lost all their gains or have even worth less than purchase price. Many peoples biggest asset is their house and these may be worth a lot less than they were before - it is still their home and tangible which they live in but in their minds they have less money since if it all went wrong they know that they would get less for it - but you still need a place to live.
Quite a lot of people who lose their jobs would not be able to survive very long without that cash flow coming in having no reserves or other avenues to tide them over until they find a new job. Many live on a hand to mouth existence. All this spending being taken out of the economy has destructive knock on effects on the economies of the world as you allude in your reference to Germans cutting back on spending.
We stare into the great abyss and go where angels fear to tread.
Some of the girls are saying the same thing. One girl said that some of her regulars (Stammgast) no longer come to see her, the ones that do still come may still do the 1 or 2 hour session but may not go for the extras opting for the straight suck and fuck. I guess there will be less of the extravagance or opportunistic splash outs by guests.
The situation of the gentleman that you describe Toscana is not uncommon. There are guests that have portfolios that are underwater or lost all their gains or have even worth less than purchase price. Many peoples biggest asset is their house and these may be worth a lot less than they were before - it is still their home and tangible which they live in but in their minds they have less money since if it all went wrong they know that they would get less for it - but you still need a place to live.
Quite a lot of people who lose their jobs would not be able to survive very long without that cash flow coming in having no reserves or other avenues to tide them over until they find a new job. Many live on a hand to mouth existence. All this spending being taken out of the economy has destructive knock on effects on the economies of the world as you allude in your reference to Germans cutting back on spending.
We stare into the great abyss and go where angels fear to tread.
Germans are quite conservative by nature. Most keep their money in bonds instead of stocks. The housing market is one of the few in Europe that did not become inflated and thus, prices will not fall much. What will hurt is the unemployment and bonus money. I think the thing to watch for is the number of high end cars at the clubs. Frankfurt may hurt quite a bit because of the crisis in banking. Also, Messe traffic will be down as cos. cut back on travel expenses. Right now some of the clubs are subtlely cutting back whicle others are improving service in hopes of attracting more customers. As usual, the best will survive and the marginal ones will die. That is just capitalism.
I think the thing to watch for is the number of high end cars at the clubs.That's right. The future is girls in the Mercs and the customers in rented Polish minivans. LOL.
Hi all,
I am staying overnight at Munich airport (Kempinski hotel) whilst waiting for a flight on Sunday, so was looking at trying out an FKK club for the first time if there is one near (taxi ride) from Munich airport.
Any suggestions welcome guys, and also any advice for an FKK newbie.
Cheers all,
Best to take a train to Augsburg and visit ColA.
I know there is plenty of information about this in the forum but the sheer volume of the information is so overwhelming, so I would like to ask if someone could recommend me the following - I will be staying for two nights in Duesseldorf. Could you recommend the two best clubs I can go in the two nights (by best meaning best quality of girls even if it is more expensive), considering that I will be using public transportation to get there, and also good hotel as a base to those clubs so the travel time is not more than 40-50 minutes in one direction?
I know there is plenty of information about this in the forum but the sheer volume of the information is so overwhelming, so I would like to ask if someone could recommend me the following - I will be staying for two nights in Duesseldorf. Could you recommend the two best clubs I can go in the two nights (by best meaning best quality of girls even if it is more expensive), considering that I will be using public transportation to get there, and also good hotel as a base to those clubs so the travel time is not more than 40-50 minutes in one direction?
Hey,
Best bet for you is probably Living Room in Kaarst.
From D'dorf the club is easily reachable by train. Get on the S-Bahn in the direction of "Kaarster See" and get off at the "Kaarst IKEA" stop. Some connections may require you to change trains in "Neuss" but the direct train (S-28) seems to run from D'dorf HBF pretty often. 'Bout a 25 min. trip.
From the IKEA stop, it is maybe a five minute walk to LR. There are also a couple of good hotels close by. The Park Inn and ISA Sport Hotel. ISA is literally across the street from Living Room.
Samya in Köln might also be an option. Others would have better logistical info on Samya for you than myself, but it is certainly reachable by public transportation.
Getting to Golden with trains, buses and taxis is a gigantic pain, and in the end, renting a car (rates are not at all that bad) is just plain easier. With this option, riding the "GT/LR Express" becomes a viable option. The Express basically involves, hitting GT, staying there until the evening, getting a 25 EUR entry-pass for LR and hitting that club until it closes at 3 AM. Pretty difficult not to find many good ladies with that plan.
Cheers and good luck,
Dedalus
This might help some people who want to know where the nearest club to point X, Y , or Z may be...
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=112127550579963948884.00045d515d0f87adf527e&z=5
This might help some people who want to know where the nearest club to point X, Y , or Z may be...
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=112127550579963948884.00045d515d0f87adf527e&z=5
This googlemap stuff is cool ...
euro
Hey,
Best bet for you is probably Living Room in Kaarst.
From D'dorf the club is easily reachable by train. Get on the S-Bahn in the direction of "Kaarster See" and get off at the "Kaarst IKEA" stop. Some connections may require you to change trains in "Neuss" but the direct train (S-28) seems to run from D'dorf HBF pretty often. 'Bout a 25 min. trip.
From the IKEA stop, it is maybe a five minute walk to LR. There are also a couple of good hotels close by. The Park Inn and ISA Sport Hotel. ISA literally across the street from Living Room.
Samya in Köln might also be an option. Others would have better logistically info on Samya for you than myself, but it is certainly reachable by public transportation.
Getting to Golden with trains, buses and taxis is a gigantic pain, and in the end, renting a car (rates are not at all that bad) is just plain easier. With this option, riding the "GT/LR Express" becomes a viable option. The Express basically involves, hitting GT, staying there until the evening, getting a 25 EUR entry-pass for LR and hitting that club until it closes at 3 AM. Pretty difficult not to find many good ladies with that plan.
Cheers and good luck,
Dedalus
Let me give you public transport directions to Samya.
Take the train to the Koeln Hbf from the DUS Hbf. Take the Regionalbahn if you can. The S-bahn also takes you there but makes more stops. You can also take the ICE trains.
At the Koeln Hbf you connect to the subway. The station is in the corner closest to the cathedral. Buy a ticket at the maschine and don't forget to have it validated before you get on the train. I can't remember which line but it is the one heading south which heads to Rodenkirchen and stops at Michaelshoven. Its one of those "I can recognize it when I see it" things. I stand on the track and say to myself "this is the one".
Get off the train at Michaelshoven and walk in the direction the train came from. You'll cross over the tracks and keep going. You'll be in an industrial area. Cross the main road and keep going. You'll see a brewery on your right. About a couple of hundred yards later you'll make a right turn and in a hundred yards or so you'll be at Samya.
Total travel depends on how quickly you make your connection. I'd say it would take you about an hour door to door.
My personal favorite in DUS is Blue Note but it is small and cramped and it is not a club to visit if you are into facilities and aren't into local German speaking women like I am.
For my "lay of the land", read this;
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Jackyo, your NRW travel specialist
Bless you, CT Dude.
Will put it to use next week to prepare for a bit of an off my normal track travel.
Note to Tomrifle and Jackyo. I am almost sure but better check at the Koeln H'hof that the subway- really a light rail route - to Samya ( Michaelshoven) as described by Jackyo is Number 6.
E.
This might help some people who want to know where the nearest club to point X, Y , or Z may be...
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=112127550579963948884.00045d515d0f87adf527e&z=5
Thank you, Dedalus.
After what time the entrance to the Living room gets 25 euro?
I wonder - would I have better options if I take hotel in Cologne or even in Dortmund (as I will be flying in and out of Dortmund) - what would be the best clubs to get by public transportation from Cologne for example? Also I found highly recommended in this ofrum clubs like Babylon, Cocoon, Dolce Vita - which of these three cities (Duesseldorf, Cologne, Dormund) would be the best starting point for them?
Hey,
Best bet for you is probably Living Room in Kaarst.
From D'dorf the club is easily reachable by train. Get on the S-Bahn in the direction of "Kaarster See" and get off at the "Kaarst IKEA" stop. Some connections may require you to change trains in "Neuss" but the direct train (S-28) seems to run from D'dorf HBF pretty often. 'Bout a 25 min. trip.
From the IKEA stop, it is maybe a five minute walk to LR. There are also a couple of good hotels close by. The Park Inn and ISA Sport Hotel. ISA is literally across the street from Living Room.
Samya in Köln might also be an option. Others would have better logistical info on Samya for you than myself, but it is certainly reachable by public transportation.
Getting to Golden with trains, buses and taxis is a gigantic pain, and in the end, renting a car (rates are not at all that bad) is just plain easier. With this option, riding the "GT/LR Express" becomes a viable option. The Express basically involves, hitting GT, staying there until the evening, getting a 25 EUR entry-pass for LR and hitting that club until it closes at 3 AM. Pretty difficult not to find many good ladies with that plan.
Cheers and good luck,
Dedalus
Gentlemen,
The line from Koln HBF to Michaelshoven is STR16.
Travel time is 25 minutes.
Z
Thanks Zelatrix, 16 instead of 6 it is and I stand corrected.
Seems that I lost a digit, something I try to do in the room as well. ;-))))
E.
Gentlemen,
The line from Koln HBF to Michaelshoven is STR16.
Travel time is 25 minutes.
Z
Thank you, Dedalus.
After what time the entrance to the Living room gets 25 euro?
I wonder - would I have better options if I take hotel in Cologne or even in Dortmund (as I will be flying in and out of Dortmund) - what would be the best clubs to get by public transportation from Cologne for example? Also I found highly recommended in this ofrum clubs like Babylon, Cocoon, Dolce Vita - which of these three cities (Duesseldorf, Cologne, Dormund) would be the best starting point for them?
Hey,
Entrance to Living Room is only 25 EUR if you have first been to Golden Time and pick up a pass there.
Dortmund has a lot of smaller clubs nearby. One that sometimes gets some press is "Mausi", sometimes know as Aplerbeck. Small club that is more oriented to the locals. Freude 39 is in or near Bochum and is pretty popular with some people on this board. I've never been there so they could give you better intel on the place than I could.
Köln is not a bad option (and a GREAT town), however Samya is probably on the only worthwhile club that is practical to reach with public transportation. Theoretically you could get to Babylon by taking the train to Bergheim and then a taxi to Elsdorf. A car is much easier.
BTW, I am reading and hear some pretty good intel about Babylon lately. Especially about a girl there named Mandy. Word is that the management is trying to restore the place to its old glory. I have not been there in years, but I am planning a return visit soon.
Personally, I'd stick to overnighting in D'dorf. Dolce Vita involves a simple train ride to D'dorf Reisholz and a 3 to 5 minute walk. No sure how that place is fairing these days. It was one of the first clubs that I tvisited way back in the day. Never been to Cocoon with public transport, but Wuppertal is closer to D'dorf than Köln.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Hey,
Entrance to Living Room is only 25 EUR if you have first been to Golden Time and pick up a pass there.
Dortmund has a lot of smaller clubs nearby. One that sometimes gets some press is "Mausi", sometimes know as Aplerbeck. Small club that is more oriented to the locals. Freude 39 is in or near Bochum and is pretty popular with some people on this board. I've never bee there so they could give you better intel on the place than I could.
Köln is not a bad option (and a GREAT town), however Samya is probably on the only worthwhile club that is practical to reach with public transportation. Theoretically you could get to Babylon by taking the train to Bergheim and then a taxi to Elsdorf. A car is much easier.
BTW, I am reading and hear some pretty good intel about Babylon lately. Especially about a girl there named Mandy. Word is that the management is trying to restore the place to its old glory. I have not been there in years, but I am planning a return visit soon.
Personally, I'd stick to overnighting in D'dorf. Dolce Vita involves a simple train ride to D'dorf Reisholz and a 3 to 5 minute walk. No sure how that place is fairing these days. It was one of the first clubs that I visited way back in the day. Never been to Cocoon with public transport, but Wuppertal is closer to D'dorf than Köln.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Mausi's club is known to turn non-Germans away. It is a former Red Carpet just as a number of clubs in the Ruhr were.
Freude 39 is also a former Red Carpet. I don't know where the forced sale situation of the club is these days but its ownership has been linked to the ownership of Artemis in Berlin.
I love Koeln. I'd move there in a heartbeat. Hurenhauptstadt Deutschlands. But then its rival city, Duesseldorf, is a great place to hang out too. There are more flights in and out of the DUS airport than CGN.
The other choices in and near Koeln are Salon Rouge (last Iseeu posted about this, it has some kind of loose affiliation with Bernds) but then also Nyloncafe, Teenyland, Residenz, Agentur Caro (I will make a list of clubs on which we don't have any reports on ISG for future research)
Yes, Babylon has been getting lots of good press and I would put it on a list of clubs to visit. It does require a train to taxi switch though. Yes, Mandy seems to be the current star of this club.
Dolce Vita is very easy to get to from DUS Hbf. It doesn't have an outstanding selection these days and there have been recent reports here about the women preying on tourists.
Cocoon is easy to get to though it involves a train to bus transfer. Get off at the Wuppertal-Oberbarmen stop and then switch to a bus (I forget the number but it is the one which stops at the first bus stop on the sidewalk just under the Schwebebahn). Then get off at Schmiedestrasse. Walk past the seafood restaurant until the traffic circle. Turn left there (das heisst make a 90 degree turn left) and then after a hundred yards or so you will see the club on the right. The club has suffered since they lost access to the rooms of the hotel next door. I've met nice, talkative local girls with large natural tits here.
These NRW clubs have not been reviewed and/or haven't been reviewed enough on this forum.
Agentur Caro
Club M
Residenz
Nylon Cafe
Teenyland
Panthera
Arena
Pegasus (the former Parksauna Wildenrath)
Atrium
Steffis Waldsauna (or whatever it is called these days)
La Bedo
Salon Rouge
Mediteran
Penelope
Grimbergsauna
Villa Romantika
Villa Arabella
Mausi's
Extasia (or whatever the former Wiago is now known as)
The former Alibaba in Wuppertal
Any takers? Are there any other fans of "off the beaten path" clubs like myself?
Köln is not a bad option (and a GREAT town), however Samya is probably on the only worthwhile club that is practical to reach with public transportation. Theoretically you could get to Babylon by taking the train to Bergheim and then a taxi to Elsdorf. A car is much easier.
BTW, I am reading and hear some pretty good intel about Babylon lately. Especially about a girl there named Mandy. Word is that the management is trying to restore the place to its old glory. I have not been there in years, but I am planning a return visit soon.
I happened to be in the area last Thursday and made a 5 hour visit to Babylon. Will post a longer report soon, but the place was hopping with mongers and I spoke a bit with Eddy the manager about his attempts to revive its long lost splendor. Sadly, there were only 8 SP in the house during my visit and with 20 or more mongers at all times, lots of waiting while looking forlornly at men in towels was in order, as there were almost never any women relaxing in the lounge. Not the way to revive a club.
I did find time for Mandy (yes, definitely the current star of the club, constantly in demand and I literally had to accost her at the door to the girl's locker room to reserve a session with her), Minou and Leila, who was the only one of the current crop who remembered the free and open atmosphere that this club built its reputation on.
I happened to be in the area last Thursday and made a 5 hour visit to Babylon. Will post a longer report soon, but the place was hopping with mongers and I spoke a bit with Eddy the manager about his attempts to revive its long lost splendor. Sadly, there were only 8 SP in the house during my visit and with 20 or more mongers at all times, lots of waiting while looking forlornly at men in towels was in order, as there were almost never any women relaxing in the lounge. Not the way to revive a club.
I did find time for Mandy (yes, definitely the current star of the club, constantly in demand and I literally had to accost her at the door to the girl's locker room to reserve a session with her), Minou and Leila, who was the only one of the current crop who remembered the free and open atmosphere that this club built its reputation on.
Hey Iseeu,
I'm really looking forward to your thoughts and observations of Babylon. Back in the day, this use to be my favorite place to call on. Absolutely incredible standards across to board!!!
Did you do a daytime visit? When I was a frequenter of the place, I have my best times earlier in the day on weekdays, when most normal people were working. The line-ups didn't change that much from pre-noon to afternoon and grabbing one of the Top-Acts (nearly ever girl there was a Top-Act back then) didn't involve waiting in line. A Gent had to be pretty aggressive to grab Nina or Sabrina in the late afternoons.
Gonna try and make it up there sometime in the next few weeks. Plus, it would be good if there were more options than just Mandy. I understand that Sabine, Liesa and Anita are pretty decent numbers as well.
Cheers,
Dedalus
I happened to be in the area last Thursday and made a 5 hour visit to Babylon. Will post a longer report soon, but the place was hopping with mongers and I spoke a bit with Eddy the manager about his attempts to revive its long lost splendor. Sadly, there were only 8 SP in the house during my visit and with 20 or more mongers at all times, lots of waiting while looking forlornly at men in towels was in order, as there were almost never any women relaxing in the lounge. Not the way to revive a club.
I did find time for Mandy (yes, definitely the current star of the club, constantly in demand and I literally had to accost her at the door to the girl's locker room to reserve a session with her), Minou and Leila, who was the only one of the current crop who remembered the free and open atmosphere that this club built its reputation on.
I spoke to him at length when I dropped in on this place with Feldi from the RF. Cool guy and very eager to do the right thing. If it is something that needs fixing, he will fix it.
Are the photos from years gone by still up on the walls? It was like a trip down memory lane for me.
I don't think Nina ever had her photo taken but egal. I have that woman's every curve embedded in my minds eye.
It makes me ask myself every now and then if she was more than just an illusion. (Yes, years after the fact, my mind will wander back to that time.) I've been to lots of clubs and met lots of women since but no one has come even close. She personified sex.
I don't think Nina ever had her photo taken but egal. I have that woman's every curve embedded in my minds eye.
It makes me ask myself every now and then if she was more than just an illusion. (Yes, years after the fact, my mind will wander back to that time.) I've been to lots of clubs and met lots of women since but no one has come even close. She personified sex.
Hey J,
Still to this day, my finest club experiences were with her. Stunning young lady! Beauty, class, and just effin' smokin' during sex!!! The girl's looks could cool out many of the optick-acts at Palace, Oase or GT. No exaggeration.
She was only in the biz for a little over a year, but it was a great year when she was working. Even had a Bernd's-style-number with her in the main contact room once.
Hope that wherever she is today that she is doing well.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Rented a car from Thrifty. If you plan on using the the collison insurance guaranty from your credit card, you MUST have either a VISA or Mastercard Platinum Card AND a letter from the credit card company specifically stating that they cover you when renting a car in Germany. If you don't have both, you MUST purchase the CDW (15E+ per day) and post a 600E to 2000E charge hold on your credit card. Doesn't look like they're interested in keeping my business.
Just for S and Gs, I did a look up for a rental with Hertz, it was less than the Thrifty AND included the CDW in the basic cost.
Hey J,
Still to this day, my finest club experiences were with her. Stunning young lady! Beauty, class, and just effin' smokin' during sex!!! The girl's looks could cool out nay of the optick-acts at Palace, Oase or GT. No exaggeration.
She was only in the biz for a little over a year, but it was a great year when she was working. Even had a Bernd's-style-number with her in the main contact room once.
Hope that wherever she is today that she is doing well.
Cheers,
Dedalus
.. is that you are forever spoiled for life.
Nobody over the years has come close. Nobody.
The search continues to find someone similar or even half as amazing. Maybe, just maybe, that next club visit will unearth such a gem again.
I did not know at the time that she was a once in a lifetime event.
Kind of like Haley's comet.
I'm sure Eddy would be delighted for her to make a comeback. How old would she be now? 26 or 27?
I'm sure Eddy would be delighted for her to make a comeback. How old would she be now? 26 or 27?
Hey J,
Sounds about right. I first went with her in 2000 and she was 18 back then according to her. Lots of talent for a that age.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Charles Browne
02-24-09, 18:44
I wish to point your attention to this very ambitious Google Map Project, which might come in handy:
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ptab=2&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112127550579963948884.00045d515d0f87adf527e&z=5
User "pauerbütter" has compiled the list and plotted the locations. All credits go to him - don't forget to write a comment to the map and say thanks!
Might I suggest that this post be made into a "sticky" for everyone's convenience?
Hi guys,
I was wondering if anyone knew of about the establishment called Private Studios in Deusseldorf? I looked at their website but the women seem too beautiful to be true. Here is the website:
http://www.termingirls.com/now_available.php
I will be making a week long fkk tour around March 15th and would like to know if this place is worth visiting.
Thanks for any info you may about this place!
Hi guys,
I was wondering if anyone knew of about the establishment called Private Studios in Deusseldorf? I looked at their website but the women seem too beautiful to be true. Here is the website:
http://www.termingirls.com/now_available.php
I will be making a week long fkk tour around March 15th and would like to know if this place is worth visiting.
Thanks for any info you may about this place!
I've never heard of this place but that it isn't worthwhile.
I'd check the RF (the Rhein version) to see if anyone has been:
www.rheinforum.com
I've never heard of this place but that it isn't worthwhile.
I'd check the RF (the Rhein version) to see if anyone has been:
www.rheinforum.comThank you, is there an english website perhaps?
Warsteiner
02-28-09, 08:54
Hi guys,
I was wondering if anyone knew of about the establishment called Private Studios in Deusseldorf? I looked at their website but the women seem too beautiful to be true. Here is the website:
http://www.termingirls.com/now_available.php
I will be making a week long fkk tour around March 15th and would like to know if this place is worth visiting.
Thanks for any info you may about this place!
As Jackyo mentioned www.rheinforum.com is the place for the up to date reports on the private clubs but if you can't speak German then it can be a bit of a problem.
I have had a look on the Rheinforum site and there is a long thread about this club that has been on-going for the last 2 1/2 years. If you are interested do a search for "Ungarische Mädchen in Ratingen – sehr gut" and you will find the thread.
According to the report this is a real club and the pictures of the women are how they look in the flesh. These are all women from Hungary and there is some debate within the thread as to whether one or more of the women are porn stars. Some people think that Paris is Dina Pearl and Sharon is Anita Too.
I haven't looked through the complete thread but there are very favourable reviews of Nadja, Kimberly and Jordan.
From the Termingirls site it looks like these women are only available for one or two weeks at a time so have a look on the site to see if the girl of your choice is going to be there during your visit.
If you do end up visiting the place then write a quick report on the girl so we know how it went. There are some stunning girls on the homepage (although a little too much silicone for my liking) but it could be worth a trip as they charge €100 for 30 mins and €150 for 1 hour. If you are only looking for one session then this is pretty much the same as paying €50 for entry to a club and then either €50 for 30 mins or €100 for an hour.
One thing to mention is that this isn't a FKK club. It will be a place where you enter and are shown to a room, all of the girls will introduce themselves one by one and then you will make your choice and head off with that girl. There won't be any sauna/kino/food facilities and when you are finished with the girl you will be expected to leave.
BTW - Sandy on this site has been spotted at GT so some of the other girls may also work in the clubs now and again.
Thank you, is there an english website perhaps?
Nope, you will need to be able to read non-school book German.
According to the report this is a real club and the pictures of the women are how they look in the flesh. These are all women from Hungary and there is some debate within the thread as to whether one or more of the women are porn stars. Some people think that Paris is Dina Pearl and Sharon is Anita Too.
I haven't looked through the complete thread but there are very favourable reviews of Nadja, Kimberly and Jordan.
From the Termingirls site it looks like these women are only available for one or two weeks at a time so have a look on the site to see if the girl of your choice is going to be there during your visit.
If you do end up visiting the place then write a quick report on the girl so we know how it went. There are some stunning girls on the homepage (although a little too much silicone for my liking) but it could be worth a trip as they charge €100 for 30 mins and €150 for 1 hour. If you are only looking for one session then this is pretty much the same as paying €50 for entry to a club and then either €50 for 30 mins or €100 for an hour.
One thing to mention is that this isn't a FKK club. It will be a place where you enter and are shown to a room, all of the girls will introduce themselves one by one and then you will make your choice and head off with that girl. There won't be any sauna/kino/food facilities and when you are finished with the girl you will be expected to leave.
BTW - Sandy on this site has been spotted at GT so some of the other girls may also work in the clubs now and again.
Hey Warsteiner,
I went there a few times last year. Had sessions with Barbara, Jessica and Sandra.
The house is in the middle of nowhere. I called ahead of time to "reserve" one of the girls. No big deal and one can probably do a "walk-in" without any problems.
The pics on the website back then were a little misleading. Can't remember the names of the girls I saw, but many were both older and larger than the web shots would indicate. Barbara, while certainly not unattractive, was not quite the beauty she is in her photos. Still a smokin' body, but her face has seen some years. Still a pretty decent session, but a step or two away from FKK standards.
Sandra was pretty good, and also pretty close to the photos on the site. Easily the best of the three that I tried. Jessica, whose photos are no longer there, was the biggest letdown. Very hot body (I like bolt-ons, so that was no problem for me) and not at all unattractive, but a dud in the sack.
I always wanted to catch Ciara Bugatti (who was never there when I was in town) or Sabrina (who looked quite fine in person and very "sympathisch".
The place is run as a discreet bordello house. In other words, they do there best to keep you from seeing or having contact with other guests. It is a nice and sizable multi-storied house. Each room that I was in had a connected bathroom with showers and tubs. Very clean.
A gent is met at the door my a nice older lady who calls your "Termingirl" if she is ready, or leads you to a room where you wait for her. You pay your 100, or whatever, take a pre-session shower and your off to the races.
Both Barbara and Jessica were mechanical compared to a good FKK standard (although Barbara was much more skilled and friendly than Jessica). Jessica did not allow kissing and while Barbara did, she kept it at a bare minimum.
Sandra's performance standards could do her proud at any good FKK. Definitely worth a repeat.
Overall it is not a bad experience, and I certainly wouldn't mind trying a few others on there Termingirls menu. I've already mentioned Ciara and Sabrina. Kimberly, Andrea, Claudia, Nina and Kendra also gun my jets.
I suppose that a guy could get there with a taxi, but a car would definitely be the most convenient. Ratingen is not that far from the D'dorf airport. The driveway to the house is about as narrow as Sandra's hips, and parking can be just as tight at times.
Personally I prefer the sauna clubs and fkks, but Ratingen can be a nice change of pace.
Oh yeah, most of the girls do outcall as well. Prices are pretty stiff. Usually 1000 for 12 hours or 1800 for 24 hours. I wonder if that could be negotiated.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Thank you for the info.
I'll definitely check the place out and report back to you guys.
As Jackyo mentioned www.rheinforum.com is the place for the up to date reports on the private clubs but if you can't speak German then it can be a bit of a problem.
I have had a look on the Rheinforum site and there is a long thread about this club that has been on-going for the last 2 1/2 years. If you are interested do a search for "Ungarische Mädchen in Ratingen – sehr gut" and you will find the thread.
According to the report this is a real club and the pictures of the women are how they look in the flesh. These are all women from Hungary and there is some debate within the thread as to whether one or more of the women are porn stars. Some people think that Paris is Dina Pearl and Sharon is Anita Too.
I haven't looked through the complete thread but there are very favourable reviews of Nadja, Kimberly and Jordan.
From the Termingirls site it looks like these women are only available for one or two weeks at a time so have a look on the site to see if the girl of your choice is going to be there during your visit.
If you do end up visiting the place then write a quick report on the girl so we know how it went. There are some stunning girls on the homepage (although a little too much silicone for my liking) but it could be worth a trip as they charge €100 for 30 mins and €150 for 1 hour. If you are only looking for one session then this is pretty much the same as paying €50 for entry to a club and then either €50 for 30 mins or €100 for an hour.
One thing to mention is that this isn't a FKK club. It will be a place where you enter and are shown to a room, all of the girls will introduce themselves one by one and then you will make your choice and head off with that girl. There won't be any sauna/kino/food facilities and when you are finished with the girl you will be expected to leave.
BTW - Sandy on this site has been spotted at GT so some of the other girls may also work in the clubs now and again.
I wish to point your attention to this very ambitious Google Map Project, which might come in handy:
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ptab=2&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112127550579963948884.00045d515d0f87adf527e&z=5
User "pauerbütter" has compiled the list and plotted the locations. All credits go to him - don't forget to write a comment to the map and say thanks!
Excellent list, I praise user "pauerbütter" for his painstaking effort.
I'd also like to mention the Openstreetmap (http://www.openstreetmap.org/) free map project as a possibly suitable platform for building a specialized world wide mongering map. The relevant information is centered around the key/value couple amenity=brothel. Additional relevant information can be added with more key/value couples.
A visual clue of the clubs already inserted into the database can be easily obtained through the OSM Query-to-map (http://toolserver.org/~kolossos/osm/index.php) tool. Entering the text amenity=brothel into the node field will yield the complete list of brothels marked as a single point. To limit the query to a specific rectangular geographical area it is possible to enter the relevant data in the BoundaryBox field, listing the limits, expressed in decimal degrees, in a comma separated west,south,east,north sequence. Only the name of the club and node_id reference is shown on the map. To get the complete information about a club it is possible to query the database with http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/node_id sintax. For example, Bernd has currently a node_id value 336851583. Visiting http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/336851583 will show all node related information.
The Query-to-map script doesn't seem to work very well at the moment for clubs whose complete building outline is inserted in the map as a way.
Another approach to query the database is by visiting http://www.informationfreeway.org/api/0.5/*[amenity=brothel]. The downloaded .osm file contains all information, and could be read with any text editor. For example, Palace is entered with way id='29495317'. Visiting http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/29495317 its information is presented in more readable form.
The data set presently collected in Openstreetmap is still very limited, but everybody is welcome to join the mappers community and add his own information for the benefit of everyone else.
It looks like they some relationship Sixt. After my last experience with Thrifty/Dollar, I've decide to go to a different vendor where I will hopefully be abused at a lower cost.
I recently completed my second trip to Germany. So now I am an expert: ). This trip was 12 days I will admit towards the end I got to much of a good thing even though I did not go to the clubs everyday.
This trip I ran into a lot of fellow ISGers, most lurkers and some who post. This of course made the time in the clubs more enjoyable. On one long day in Oase I spent a lot of time talking to 2 other mongers. I think we all did 3 sessions. I found it interesting all 3 of us were looking for completely different types of looks in the girls. One of my mates went with the famous blond Hanna. I thought she was nice looking and looked liked she would be great session. I did not have any desire for her. Thankfully we all liked something different in the girls we were searching.
Another thing I found to be true for me is being able to find what you want in a session if you take your time and talk to a girl before deciding. Although I agree with my Icebear friend that the older girls give better service than the young optiflk girls, I have found this is not always true. On this trip I decided if and when I found one of these optiflk girls I liked I was going to go with her. After all this is a fun fantasy trip right? And nothing is guaranteed.
Thank You Jackson, ISG, and all the fellow mongers I met on this great trip.
Hey Ded, et al,
Just posted a report on my visit to Babylon last month on the Babylon thread.
Happy to receive your comments and thoughts.
Bottom Line: Those incredible standards look to be a thing of the past. I was there in the late afternoon and grabbing any of the doable acts was a chore, due to the insufficient lineup vs. the line of unconsummated men.
I can recommend Leyla and Mahe (know her from her short Bernd's career) in addition to Sabrina and Mandy.
Lokking forward to reading of your return to the Tower of Babel. Let me know when you're planning a trip up and I'll see if I can join you. Promised Eddy that I'd give it another shot on a non-party day.
Hey Iseeu,
I'm really looking forward to your thoughts and observations of Babylon. Back in the day, this use to be my favorite place to call on. Absolutely incredible standards across to board!!!
Did you do a daytime visit? When I was a frequenter of the place, I have my best times earlier in the day on weekdays, when most normal people were working. The line-ups didn't change that much from pre-noon to afternoon and grabbing one of the Top-Acts (nearly ever girl there was a Top-Act back then) didn't involve waiting in line. A Gent had to be pretty aggressive to grab Nina or Sabrina in the late afternoons.
Gonna try and make it up there sometime in the next few weeks. Plus, it would be good if there were more options than just Mandy. I understand that Sabine, Liesa and Anita are pretty decent numbers as well.
Cheers,
Dedalus
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