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James Bond 007
03-13-09, 04:06
Thanks for the review of termingirls. The pics on their website definitely look nice, although I am sure photoshop enhancements were done. Did you find any of the girls speak any English? Being able to communicate with a girl seem to enhance a session, at least for me.
As Jackyo mentioned www.rheinforum.com is the place for the up to date reports on the private clubs but if you can't speak German then it can be a bit of a problem.
I have had a look on the Rheinforum site and there is a long thread about this club that has been on-going for the last 2 1/2 years. If you are interested do a search for "Ungarische Mädchen in Ratingen – sehr gut" and you will find the thread.
According to the report this is a real club and the pictures of the women are how they look in the flesh. These are all women from Hungary and there is some debate within the thread as to whether one or more of the women are porn stars. Some people think that Paris is Dina Pearl and Sharon is Anita Too.
I haven't looked through the complete thread but there are very favourable reviews of Nadja, Kimberly and Jordan.
From the Termingirls site it looks like these women are only available for one or two weeks at a time so have a look on the site to see if the girl of your choice is going to be there during your visit.
If you do end up visiting the place then write a quick report on the girl so we know how it went. There are some stunning girls on the homepage (although a little too much silicone for my liking) but it could be worth a trip as they charge €100 for 30 mins and €150 for 1 hour. If you are only looking for one session then this is pretty much the same as paying €50 for entry to a club and then either €50 for 30 mins or €100 for an hour.
One thing to mention is that this isn't a FKK club. It will be a place where you enter and are shown to a room, all of the girls will introduce themselves one by one and then you will make your choice and head off with that girl. There won't be any sauna/kino/food facilities and when you are finished with the girl you will be expected to leave.
BTW - Sandy on this site has been spotted at GT so some of the other girls may also work in the clubs now and again.
I am going next week for two nights in Dusseldorf. So first night is pretty clear - I'll go to Living Room in Kaarst as this is the easiest to get to by public transport and is highly recommended in this forum.
I am still debating on the second night - would the best thing be to go to Samya in Cologne (which according to the forum is 1 hour door to door from DUS), or there is another club within Dusseldorf or closer than Cologne, that is also as good as LR and Samya? Which is closer and easier to get to by public transport- Cocoon in Wuppertal or Samya in Cologne?
I was wondering if anyone knows anything about http://www.erotica-deluxe.de/ueber-uns.php ?
Blauer
I am going next week for two nights in Dusseldorf. So first night is pretty clear - I'll go to Living Room in Kaarst as this is the easiest to get to by public transport and is highly recommended in this forum.
I am still debating on the second night - would the best thing be to go to Samya in Cologne (which according to the forum is 1 hour door to door from DUS), or there is another club within Dusseldorf or closer than Cologne, that is also as good as LR and Samya? Which is closer and easier to get to by public transport- Cocoon in Wuppertal or Samya in Cologne?
You should find my post which summarizes your options from DUS and in NRW in general.
I'd say that from DUS to Cocoon and to Samya is about the same amount of time.
The trip to Cocoon involves changing to bus at Wuppertal-Oberbarmen and that you might find complicated if you can't figure out which bus it is. I believe its the 302 but I need to check my notes. Get off at Schmiedestrasse beside a seafood restaurant. You will have to check the return bus schedule to make sure you aren't stranded there or take a cab back to the station.
My favorite club in DUS is Blue Note but I don't recommend to just anyone as it is small, cramped, etc.. The selection is just to my taste though.
I think I might try Blue Note. What are the prices (entrance, girls fees)? I speak very little German, but anyway conversations are not most important for me : )
You should find my post which summarizes your options from DU
My favorite club in DUS is Blue Note but I don't recommend to just anyone as it is small, cramped, etc.. The selection is just to my taste though.
I think I might try Blue Note. What are the prices (entrance, girls fees)? I speak very little German, but anyway conversations are not most important for me : )
Entry is 55 Euros plus 5 Euros for the locker key deposit (you get it back when you return the key).
30 minute sessions are 30 Euros (yes, 30 Euros).
I suggest you book hour long sessions here.
I also recommend the erotic massages. Some women don't do full service but will gladly get into bed with you in the nude to do a massage to get the juices flowing. Ask first.
... these are the clubs and women the locals have rated the highest:
842614
Wonder no longer.
Once tried blue note , because it was on my way to a meeting.
Was quite surprised about the good facilitys, of course it depends on the night, etc which girls are available.
Michael Stone
03-22-09, 11:42
Hello, I'm going to Dortmund for Tuesday and Wednesday 24,25th March. I'm going to spend the whole Tuesday in a FKK. I didn't decide yet which one, but by the posts of other users, I chose initially FKK Club Freudenbergstr 39 in Bochum. I want to relax whole day, eat some food and f%ck some big breasted MILF and maybe one or two younger cuties. I hope that this FKK meet this criteria.
Other options are: Cocoon (does anybody know of a number and quality of girls?), www.privatclub-neby.de, FKK-Belami, Mausi und Team.
If someone feels that there is better option form me then let mi know.
On Wednesday I'm going to a Partytref. It will be probably Pauschalclub Airtport because of proximity to my departure place, but I'm worried a bit about it being overcrowded. Hoping that between 1PM and 4PM I will be able to meet at least 3 girls there.
Other options are: teeny-6haus in Wuppertal, Mettmann, Gangbangteenies in Datteln. It will be my first time in a PT so I don't know what to expect.
If anyone have some suggestion - I'm listening.
Cheers,
MS
Ekliges Lauern
03-22-09, 18:36
Based on some recent comments, I took the plunge and spent a couple of hours scanning and reading threads on the RheinForum. I used to scan Roemer Forum back around 2005. I gave it up because of what I perceived as an overall negative tone. HB had called me as well as others on that comment, so I thought I would give the German forums a second look. This post is almost a review of a review board.
Some overall impressions:
Very Koeln-centric. Not surprising given that Koeln is the largest city in NRW. Koeln is listed first and largest category. The Koeln forums are split between street walkers/Laufhaeuser forum and escort, club, apartment ladies. There is also a Dusseldorf, borderlands and Ruhrgebiet forum and a catchall forum for the rest of NRW. I guess you could think of it as a southern crescent excluding Koeln and running from Aachen to Koblenz to Wuppertal.
Understand, this is not a board devoted to FKKs and Sauna clubs, but rather all P4P options. There is no organization of the threads among clubs, but each thread is helpfully labeled as Reports or Question. There are quite a lot of threads with questions like, “Where can I find a tiny Thai teenie in Dusseldorf who is up for anal?” All very interesting and helpful to the local mongers no doubt. It gives you a sense of the wealth of alternatives available in Germany. I came across one about an 18yo Korean girl who looked super sweet (link was included in the message), but lost my interest when I saw the price was 160E for an hour.
To get information on a specific club, you really need to use the search feature. There was no real way to get a sense of which clubs were most popular. Since I like F39, I typed Freude39 into the search and quite a lot of information came back. Clearly, Putri is/was considered a top act. Funny, only 2-3 mentions of Sofie, and one glowing report from almost a year ago. I can vouch that the local Germans have discovered her as she is quite in demand at F39. Leads me to believe most of their customers are not posters on RheinForum.
I also search GT and goldentime. Quite a lot of info came back. I found a few threads referring to GT (as well as PHG, VV and LR) as a “Topclubs”. I didn’t find any evidence that the locals regarded them as “Tourist traps”. I searched for “tourist(en)” as well as “reisende” and could not find any threads labeling the “Topclubs” as “for tourists only”.
The other thing that comes across is the Germans are quite pricing sensitive. I read an interesting thread on the impact of the global financial crisis on F39. The thesis was that the customers are disappearing and the women are leaving as well. One monger thought that the price was too high relative the local market and business could be revived by going with a 30E entrance all day and 40E per half hour pricing. It makes perfect sense that the locals are price sensitive. I am price sensitive on my home territory as A) the market prices are quite high on my home turf and B) if I want to do this fairly frequently and not end up in the poor house, it is necessary for me to negotiate a favorable rate. Not surprised the Germans are more price sensitive that you average western foreign monger who regards Germany as relatively cheap for P4P and regards trips to German for FKK visits as a luxury anyway.
I got a good laugh out of a pop-up ad marketing Cocoon in Wuppertal as a McFick club. Smart marketing, price sensitivity.
I also got the sense that geography was a major factor for which clubs mongers visit. Most of the questions were specific to a city or area. I didn’t get the sense that the monger asking about the Thai teenie who did anal in Dusseldorf was willing to travel to Koeln if a suitable young lady was available only in Koeln.
I had to laugh when I ran across a thread in the rest of Germany from some monger asking for bars he could go near the Frankfurt airport for a one hour session. To paraphrase the exchange:
RF User 1: What are my options near FRA for a one hour romp.
RF User 2: Just go to Palace, you’ll like it, its only 10km away.
RF User 1: What is the entrance fee?
RF User 2: 75E
RF User 1: Ouch. Where are the Laufhaeuser?
Did I detect any of the negative tone that I complained about in the past on German forums. No I didn’t. I probably looked at 50 or so threads and actually ran across some quite helpful information.
Will I read Rheinforum on a regular basis? Probably not. The thread organization (or lack thereof), is just too annoying to deal with. Will I run some searches prior to a trip to Germany to get info on the clubs I visit. Probably. Much more detailed information than this forum.
A report on Lustscout will follow.
Hello, I'm going to Dortmund for Tuesday and Wednesday 24,25th March. I'm going to spend the whole Tuesday in a FKK. I didn't decide yet which one, but by the posts of other users, I chose initially FKK Club Freudenbergstr 39 in Bochum. I want to relax whole day, eat some food and f%ck some big breasted MILF and maybe one or two younger cuties. I hope that this FKK meet this criteria.
Other options are: Cocoon (does anybody know of a number and quality of girls?), www.privatclub-neby.de, FKK-Belami, Mausi und Team.
If anyone have some suggestion - I'm listening.
Cheers,
MS
If you want to relax all day and also eat some food then Freude is the best place to go. The other clubs you mention are clubs where wellnes and Food are not at the level of Freude. Belami is a typical Turkenladen but you will not be disappointed in the line-up there. Mausi is the opposite, there colored people are refused, but the service there in general is OK. Cocoon was OK in the past but that is history.
Those clubs are OK if you plan a short visit of 2-3 hours. Freude is more expensive (no 30€/20m option), prices as in Gt and Happy.
After 21 hr. Freude is relatively empty.
Regards,
Big30
Interesting coincidence, I actually spent part of this morning doing the same although in not such a detail.
I used to read the Roemerforum and then I gave up on it since it was so disorganized. Still loved the "who is where" feature and would check it out from time to time. Now when I checked it out, I see that the organization of it is much better than before with club categorization etc. so I might start checking on it again.
I never got much out of the Rheinforum becuase as EL points out, there is so much info on non-FKK activities it was kind of hard to find what I needed except by searching so a casual reading the threads there was never on my schedule.
Lustscout has always had a neat organization and good info.
I like the organization of the Dutch Ijsberenforum the best of all the boards with the threads being categorized by the girls with the trip reports as a sticky on top of each club. Also like the rule most follow there to give a brief categorized description of the girl to start with for other to be able to identify her. Only problem for me is that my Dutch reading comprehension is probably no more than 40% so I get tired quickly reading it since I have to reread some of the stuff couple of times to get the content.
What one must also realize in terms of number of reports of each club is that both GT and PHG are located at the Dutch border. Lets say we categorize a local by a 50 km radius and you will see that a person living in Eindhoven is as much of a local visiting GT as someone living in Frankfurt visiting World. That is one of the reasons you may not have as many reports on GT on a German forum since half of its 50 km radius area is actually in Netherlands. Look at the Dutch forums and you will see that GT, PHG probably have the most reports there of any FKK/Sauna club.
Does that make GT or PHG a "tourist" club. Well, it depends on definition. If you call everyone a tourist that crosses a border, then I guess you can call it that. I think that most of the Dutch visitors in GT and PHG would not agree to such a definition.
Lustscout has always had a neat organization and good info.
I like the organization of the Dutch Ijsberenforum the best of all the boards with the threads being categorized by the girls with the trip reports as a sticky on top of each club. Also like the rule most follow there to give a brief categorized description of the girl to start with for other to be able to identify her.
Does that make GT or PHG a "tourist" club. Well, it depends on definition. If you call everyone a tourist that crosses a border, then I guess you can call it that. I think that most of the Dutch visitors in GT and PHG would not agree to such a definition.
Thanks for the compliment! Indeed Eindhoven is not far from VV, GT and Happy. About 80 km actually :-)!
The definition of a tourist is for me not that relevant.
Regards,
Big30
Thanks for the compliment! Indeed Eindhoven is not far from VV, GT and Happy. About 80 km actually :-)!
By road you are right. I was defining it as the crow flies ;-)
Ekliges Lauern
03-22-09, 19:54
... these are the clubs and women the locals have rated the highest: 842614 Wonder no longer.
Well, the snarky side of me tempted to point out no one had recently posted asking that question. But I won’t.
As I was reading RheinForum for other reasons, I looked for the thread in question. Anyway, the thread in question on RheinForum was not “What is the best club?” or “Who is the best lady?” It was the vote for Blowjob Queen of 2008. A worthy title to aspire to, but remember it is still a vote for the ladies and for a very specific sex act.
As each voter chose three ladies (weighted scale tabulation), many voters voted for three ladies from the same club. As previously noted, RheinForum is rather Koeln-centric, not surprisingly the results are rather Koeln-centric. When I looked over the results, I am surprised at how few people voted. The Blowjob Queen of NRW received a grand total of eight votes. To get 4th place required exactly three votes, a feat accomplished by four ladies including Celine, the Koeln streetwalker. I’m sure Celine is a fine lady, but is a Koeln street walker really the fourth best option in all of NRW?
In addition to the built-in bias towards Koeln area clubs, I also noticed that of the women I know on the list, the common thread is that they have been in the game longer. Putri from F39 is a great example. Great girl and was one of the best BJ at F39, but she’s been around for a few years. She tied with Svenja of Bernds at number 22 with both girls getting exactly 2 votes. Not exactly landslide proportions. Having been with both ladies more than once, I can state Putri’s BJ is much better (not that there is anything wrong with Svenja’s). The ladies I know on the list have almost all been around for years. As such, the poll has a bias towards more “experienced” ladies. As such, clubs employing more “experienced” ladies such as Blue Note or Bernds are going to place higher on any combined rankings.
If you want to know which club the locals prefer, a more objective rating would be which clubs have the most local guests. Simply based on size and number of guests and even if you assume only half of the guests are local, Goldentime clearly has more local visitors than Bernds. In the end, consumers vote with their feet. Does this matter for which club an individual monger should choose. Not really, as in the end it is a matter of taste.
Ekliges Lauern
03-22-09, 20:14
Interesting coincidence, I actually spent part of this morning doing the same although in not such a detail.
It's good to question one's assumptions once in a while. RheinForum will definitely have a place in my arsenal for pre-trip research.
I used to read the Roemerforum and then I gave up on it since it was so disorganized. Still loved the "who is where" feature and would check it out from time to time. Now when I checked it out, I see that the organization of it is much better than before with club categorization etc. so I might start checking on it again.
I'll probably give it a second look as well. What turned me off in the past was the overly negative tone.
I never got much out of the Rheinforum becuase as EL points out, there is so much info on non-FKK activities it was kind of hard to find what I needed except by searching so a casual reading the threads there was never on my schedule.
I don't think it can be read. Only searched.
Lustscout has always had a neat organization and good info.
That was my impression as well. I did notice that posts in the NRW clubs were few and far between. While there was info on the Hessen clubs, not as much as I would have expected. That said, I identified some good targets for my next Palace visit. And yes, the threads I read were positive on the place.
I like the organization of the Dutch Ijsberenforum the best of all the boards with the threads being categorized by the girls with the trip reports as a sticky on top of each club. Also like the rule most follow there to give a brief categorized description of the girl to start with for other to be able to identify her. Only problem for me is that my Dutch reading comprehension is probably no more than 40% so I get tired quickly reading it since I have to reread some of the stuff couple of times to get the content.
+1. I don't read Dutch, I guess Dutch based on my German and English. I love the organization and find great info on it. I noticed Maria, the dark Cuban girl at F39 who is only a tad below Czech Linda in BJ skills is back. For the chance to get serviced by her, F39 will be on my dance card when I visit Germany in the next couple of weeks. The ijsberen have my thanks for that tidbit.
What one must also realize in terms of number of reports of each club is that both GT and PHG are located at the Dutch border. Lets say we categorize a local by a 50 km radius and you will see that a person living in Eindhoven is as much of a local visiting GT as someone living in Frankfurt visiting World. That is one of the reasons you may not have as many reports on GT on a German forum since half of its 50 km radius area is actually in Netherlands. Look at the Dutch forums and you will see that GT, PHG probably have the most reports there of any FKK/Sauna club.
Does that make GT or PHG a "tourist" club. Well, it depends on definition. If you call everyone a tourist that crosses a border, then I guess you can call it that. I think that most of the Dutch visitors in GT and PHG would not agree to such a definition.
Based on the languages I hear other guests speaking, my impression was the club guests are ~50% German, ~30% Dutch (could be Flemish), ~10% French (could be Belgian) and the rest mostly Brits and Americans. That said, even if only half of the club guests are German, that is still a lot of local visitors. The "tourist" comment in this forum is generally used to disparage the clubs and those who like them. All part of the endless big club vs. little club discussion on this forum. My vote is it is all a matter of taste, go where you like.
I am taking the high road on this despite the snarky remarks by certain individuals who keep saying I don't know what I am talking about but also simultaneously can't avoid commenting on my posts.
I've suggested once they use the ignore function but apparently I have so much to say, they continue to read my stuff. Apparently, they are also concerned about what I think about them.
If they would all just calm down, we can get back to the business of commenting on the club scene.
Does anyone want to create a summary of the arguments we have made? Has anyone noticed we just keep repeating ourselves? This will save on time in the future.
Instead of trading barbs, I'd simply say: "read post number ___". And then they'd reply, "read post number ___." Time is money.
In the words of Dieter of "Sprockets", "I find your arguments tiresome. Now is the time on Sprockets when we dance." [funky music in the background]
Here is the definitive Hessen survey on the RF. It was launched on the 31st of July, 2008 and entitled "Top of the Clubs??? Hessen".
The ten five clubs in Hessen are:
World - 48 votes
Oase - 43 votes
Atlantik (Hanau) - 21 votes
Palace - 15 votes
Bahama Club - 5
143 dudes participated in this survey, BTW.
So yes, Palace is visited by the local population. It is, however, out visited three to one by World and Oase visitors.
World is the best club there is facility-wise anywhere in Germany. Oase is the best in this area selection-wise.
And where are those Atlantik reports on the ISG?
As to why I deserve to have my own personal Bete noire on this forum is beyond me. I consider it an honor. Each of you should aspire to acquire your own. Its like having a pet.
Here is the definitive Hessen survey on the RF. It was launched on the 31st of July, 2008 and entitled "Top of the Clubs??? Hessen".
The ten five clubs in Hessen are:
World - 48 votes
Oase - 43 votes
Atlantik (Hanau) - 21 votes
Palace - 15 votes
Bahama Club - 5
143 dudes participated in this survey, BTW.
So yes, Palace is visited by the local population. It is, however, out visited three to one by World and Oase visitors.
World is the best club there is facility-wise anywhere in Germany. Oase is the best in this area selection-wise.
And where are those Atlantik reports on the ISG?
First, Jackyo: Don't let these guys get you down! Just do your thing and keep posting your stuff. It is great: well-informed, well-written and well-intentioned. Some guys are just jealous of your posting numbers, obviously...
About the Hessen survey you quoted:
It doesn't surpise me that Palace rates well down the list for a survey taken in July! Come on, now: We all know Palace is not a summer club because of lack of outdoors. So no wonder that the clubs with primo outdoor areas, like World and Oase, are up there...As for Atlantik: That is enigmatic at best.
Ortos
I actually think the recent discussion on the topic is quite civilized and even EL is not his usual self and only had one tiny snarky comment in his latest couple of posts. Other than that it was quite informative. I also think that this being the General Thread, it is at least better than crowd the "club" threads.
<rambling mode on>
Anyways, on the subject of the best facilities, World has great facilities when it comes to the common area. There are however only a handful of decent rooms in the place. The downstairs rooms are pretty crappy although a slight improvement has been made when they at least put some doors on the downstair rooms. Personally I would say that Villa Vertigo has the best overall facilities of the clubs.
Worst facilities I have seen? I visited LaLuna two weeks ago. Showers absolute shit, locker room makes Oase's changing room look like a 5 star hotel. the club is in a windowless basement, everything inside seems to be older than the girls, and some of them aint exactly spring chickens, no food and you pay for the drinks. I loved the club though (and it is not for some of the special services they offer). Not sure why, but it may be because I spent a fantastic hour with 18 year old Romanian girl (Bianca) that had been there for one week. What's my point? I am not sure, perhaps just that it is hard to generalize.
I also tend to make a day of it when I visit a club so it is important that the facilities are decent, places to hang out and chat with friends etc., but sometimes I am doing a quick visit and in those cases my club preferences may be totally different. Again, hard to generalize since different preferences based on different circumstances.
I urge Jackyo as well as everyone else to keep posting. I also think that it is good to get multiple points of view on things and I dont see it as a bad thing to challenge some of the information given.
I actually think the recent discussion on the topic is quite civilized and even EL is not his usual self and only had one tiny snarky comment in his latest couple of posts. Other than that it was quite informative. I also think that this being the General Thread, it is at least better than crowd the "club" threads...
Worst facilities I have seen? I visited LaLuna two weeks ago. Showers absolute shit, locker room makes Oase's changing room look like a 5 star hotel. the club is in a windowless basement, everything inside seems to be older than the girls, and some of them aint exactly spring chickens, no food and you pay for the drinks. I loved the club though (and it is not for some of the special services they offer). Not sure why, but it may be because I spent a fantastic hour with 18 year old Romanian girl (Bianca) that had been there for one week. What's my point? I am not sure, perhaps just that it is hard to generalize...
I urge Jackyo as well as everyone else to keep posting. I also think that it is good to get multiple points of view on things and I dont see it as a bad thing to challenge some of the information given.
I agree with everything you say.
About LaLuna, which is located near Duisburg, I think: What were your overall impressions of the line-up there? Was it lacking other than one or two outstanding choices? or was it on par with some of the other clubs in the area, like e.g. LR?
Ortos
Ekliges Lauern
03-23-09, 13:48
Some guys are just jealous of your posting numbers, obviously...
About the Hessen survey you quoted:
It doesn't surpise me that Palace rates well down the list for a survey taken in July! Come on, now: We all know Palace is not a summer club because of lack of outdoors. So no wonder that the clubs with primo outdoor areas, like World and Oase, are up there...As for Atlantik: That is enigmatic at best.
Hmmm, maybe next time I run across a super sweet Chinese blowjob queen at an out of the way, underreported FKK, I may have to keep it to myself. <grin> Kiwi69 and the Ijsberen deserve their fair share of credit on the Sofie find anyway.
Seriously, posting is about quality, not quantity. Repetition does not add value to this forum.
Agree with you on the survey being skewed. It is another strawman argument anyway as I never stated that Palace was more popular than World or Oase (with the locals, with senior mongers or otherwise). Don't really care. What I responded to was the statement that experienced mongers and German mongers do not go to the Hessen big 3 as they are "tourist traps". I think those statements have been thoroughly debunked by now.
As for which of the clubs are most popular with the Germans, I think that is best determined by gate receipts. From my visits over the last year, I would estimate the ranking of number of German customers at 1) Oase, 2) Palace, 3) World. In the summer, numbers 2 and 3 are likely reversed. Admittedly, I have only visited World once in the last year so my personal data is thin.
But does it really matter which club is most popular with one group of mongers or another? In the end it is a matter of personal taste. I weigh my preferences heavily based on which club has women I like. Taste in women is highly personal, and no two mongers will agree. For me, facilities and price are secondary considerations.
I will occasionally try a new club based on a tidbit of information posted on a forum or based on a conversation with a monger. Hence the trip to Niloticus. What I won't do is scurry around Germany trying new clubs simply for the sake of trying them. I have no intention of trying out Atlantik until I hear something about the club that peaks my interest. The fact that it got third place in a poll on a German board is not enough to make me forgo a day at Oase, Palace or World.
I do encourage newbees (and oldbees) to try different types of club. I've visited plenty of clubs beyond the top clubs based on information posted on this forum. Some I like, some I don't. Some members will prefer the top clubs, others won't. There is no right and wrong here.
At the root of my disagreement with Jackyo is that I don't think one type of club is superior to another type of club as it is a matter of personal taste. Also, we part ways on whether it is possible to give others valid advice on a club without recent first hand experience.
In closing, I will point out that the post you replied to was little more than a personal attack coupled with a strawman argument. I disagreed with a premise of one of his posts and stated my reasons why. Rather than respond to my points, he chose to launch into a personal attack.
Anyways, on the subject of the best facilities, World has great facilities when it comes to the common area. There are however only a handful of decent rooms in the place. The downstairs rooms are pretty crappy although a slight improvement has been made when they at least put some doors on the downstair rooms. Personally I would say that Villa Vertigo has the best overall facilities of the clubs.
Worst facilities I have seen? I visited LaLuna two weeks ago. Showers absolute shit, locker room makes Oase's changing room look like a 5 star hotel. the club is in a windowless basement, everything inside seems to be older than the girls, and some of them aint exactly spring chickens, no food and you pay for the drinks. I loved the club though (and it is not for some of the special services they offer). Not sure why, but it may be because I spent a fantastic hour with 18 year old Romanian girl (Bianca) that had been there for one week. What's my point? I am not sure, perhaps just that it is hard to generalize.
I also tend to make a day of it when I visit a club so it is important that the facilities are decent, places to hang out and chat with friends etc., but sometimes I am doing a quick visit and in those cases my club preferences may be totally different. Again, hard to generalize since different preferences based on different circumstances.
I urge Jackyo as well as everyone else to keep posting. I also think that it is good to get multiple points of view on things and I dont see it as a bad thing to challenge some of the information given.
Hey Henio,
Owning up to a few things, are we my friend ;-)))
I might have to come out and actually review the joint if this keeps up.
For the record, Laluna's facilities are not nearly as grungy as that FKK on the Marinenstrasse in Stuttgart. Phoenix is what they call it now, I think. THAT place was disgusting.
Surprised to hear you dis the facilities at Laluna. I'm pretty sure that I was the only one of us to stick to anything on those couches, and I'm not talking about any of the ladies.
Can't say I didn't warn you ahead of time ;-)))
Cheers,
Dedalus, who enjoys a little grunge now and then
Freierforum/Freiermagazin is another forum that contains a fair bit of useful information...
http://www.freiermagazin.de/bb/
And Jackyo...
As to why I deserve to have my own personal Bete noire on this forum is beyond me. I consider it an honor. Each of you should aspire to acquire your own. Its like having a pet.
...some of your better ones seem to go right over the heads around here :-))
Yankee 617
03-25-09, 17:32
I do not regularly visit this Germany thread but felt that others here might find this link interesting...
http://www.gesext.de/
At the moment, some 18 year old gal is auctioning off her virginity, with the current bid at about 5000 Euros.
Ekliges Lauern
03-26-09, 03:03
I do not regularly visit this Germany thread but felt that others here might find this link interesting...
http://www.gesext.de/
At the moment, some 18 year old gal is auctioning off her virginity, with the current bid at about 5000 Euros.
I find it difficult to believe there are any eighteen year old virgins in Germany. Seriously, I watched her video and she has a Russian accent towards the end. Listen to the way she pronounces "Jungfräulichkeit".
I suspect this is a scam.
I find it difficult to believe there are any eighteen year old virgins in Germany. Seriously, I watched her video and she has a Russian accent towards the end. Listen to the way she pronounces "Jungfräulichkeit".
I suspect this is a scam.
Clearly she is no German girl, you hear that already after one word. It is the 18 years old Alina Percea from .... Romania. "Auktion wurde angehalten"! Which means it is on hold now. There are doubts about her Virginity! Spass!!
See also,
http://www.zimbio.com/Alina+Percea/articles/1/Alina+Percea+Romanian+teen+auctions+virginity
Or use google to find out more :-).
Regards,
Big30
Hessen Bub
03-26-09, 11:03
First of all: Lustscout is weak in the NRW area, Rheinforum is much stronger. But for Hessen there's quite good information on Lustscout, and I still prefer the structure there (separate forum for each club and separate thread for each report).
So yes, Palace is visited by the local population. It is, however, out visited three to one by World and Oase visitors.
Palace does have as much or more visitors as Oase and/or World.
World is the best club there is facility-wise anywhere in Germany. Oase is the best in this area selection-wise.
That's you opinion. This is mine:
World is a big club and does have a great outdoor facility. But clubs like Palace, Paradise or VV are at least two levels above world regarding the indoor facilities. World is not as clean, you get towels instead of sheets to cover the bed, the matresses are old, beds are squeaking and old, rooms are open (you hear every word/sound from you neighbour) and very basic, food is plenty but quality and variety is poor. Bar and sauna, lockers and showers are old. I do still visit World, but because of the software and not the hardware, especially in winter. Just my 2 cents.
HB
That's you opinion. This is mine:
World is a big club and does have a great outdoor facility. But clubs like Palace, Paradise or VV are at least two levels above world regarding the indoor facilities. World is not as clean, you get towels instead of sheets to cover the bed, the matresses are old, beds are squeaking and old, rooms are open (you hear every word/sound from you neighbour) and very basic, food is plenty but quality and variety is poor. Bar and sauna, lockers and showers are old. I do still visit World, but because of the software and not the hardware, especially in winter. Just my 2 cents.
HB
Hey HB,
If Jackyo had said something along the lines of "best facilities of the Hessen Big-Three" then I would share his opinion. Paradise and Artemis slam-dunk any of the other German clubs that I have seen as far as facilities, although that lack of an outdoor area IS a big minus point. Villa Vertigo certainly has nice facilities, but for some reason the place feels a little cramped to me. Best food service of the Golden Triangle group though.
For my two cent, World does have overall the better facilities of the big, Hessen clubs, and I must say that I have never noticed it being any less clean than Palace, and several rungs cleaner than Oase. In fact, on my last Palace visit, the showers and changing room had an odor that was uncomfortably reminiscent of Oase's. The locker room at World has never struck me as anything but clean and it is usually fresher than the one at Palace.
Saunas and Dampfbad are perfectly fine at World. Not sure that Palace has a big advantage over World or Oase on this point. Palace does have a roomier and probably cleaner whirlpool.
I WOULD have to give Palace the nod for having better rooms than World, and food service at Palace HAS topped all the others in Hessen. Personally I'm not bothered that one can hear the goings on of your neighbor in the rooms at World. All part of the atmosphere in my opinion. However you are 100% correct about the mattress quality. Especially the one in the "Asia Room".
Palace lost some comfort points with me when the area with the large swinging sofa got replaced with the smoking section. Not only was that a nice place to relax, I remember some grand foreplay on that thing with Cindy and a few others back in the day ;-))
Nowadays, I have a more difficult time relaxing in between sessions at Palace than I do at Oase. The Relax area at World is a huge Pluspunkt for me.
For me, both Palace and World play the music too loud in the main area, and World seems to have gone overboard on my last few visits. The music in the main area has often been ear-splitting loud.
I can't really say that the bars at Palace are any better or younger than the ones at World. Actually the upstairs bar at World is the most recently built of them all I think. I can say that the bar personnel at World gets me my drink more quickly and with nicer and friendly smiles than the personnel at Palace.
The "software" at World has unfortunately been pretty disappointing to me of late. Hoping that this improves in April. At the moment, I share Jackyo's opinion about the software at Oase being the best of the Big-3. However my opinion changes, as do the girls ;-)))
Cheers,
Dedalus
Freierforum/Freiermagazin is another forum that contains a fair bit of useful information...
http://www.freiermagazin.de/bb/
Good site! Especially for some of the smaller, off the beaten path places. I've always appreciated the photos and the "Anwesenheitslisten" that club managers who participate in this site provide.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Are there any other Fkk forums in English?
Are there any other Fkk forums in English? They would be classified as a competing forum to this one and Jackson does not like it too much if they are mentioned.
Hessen Bub
03-27-09, 20:05
and I must say that I have never noticed it being any less clean than Palace,
Rooms at Palace are not only nicer, but also much cleaner. Floor, beds, everything. Beds at World are bad, I'm always afraid to break one. ;-)
Actually the upstairs bar at World is the most recently built of them all I think.
Maybe built, but remodelled it should have been the small bar at Palace.
I still think Palace inside is a class above World, World interior seems cheaply built. And Palace is not behind Paradise.
HB
Vito Corleone
03-27-09, 23:46
Are there any other Fkk forums in English?
espn.com. Plenty of great info!
Ekliges Lauern
03-28-09, 00:27
espn.com. Plenty of great info!
And people think I'm snarky.
Gfe Finder
03-28-09, 01:52
espn.com. Plenty of great info!
If only mongering were a sport! Plenty of us could make a great living.
Hey HB,
If Jackyo had said something along the lines of "best facilities of the Hessen Big-Three" then I would share his opinion. Paradise and Artemis slam-dunk any of the other German clubs that I have seen as far as facilities, although that lack of an outdoor area IS a big minus point. Villa Vertigo certainly has nice facilities, but for some reason the place feels a little cramped to me.
World's facility is nice, and the downstairs relax area is a big plus and sorely lacking in most of the other clubs. I don't have a problem with lack of privacy in the rooms downstairs, but what irks me is that since the new bar was installed, the sight lines in the upstairs lounge are very poor, and it's hard to find a good spot to observe and gather info. IMO, I would agree that overall it has the best facility of the Hessen 3.
I haven't been to Paradise so I can't comment, but FKK Harem has to be near the top of any list of clubs with great facilities. Beautiful spacious indoor area, lots of nice rooms upstairs, nice sauna and jacuzzi area, a real fitness room, dining area with menus that you can order from, and a beautiful outdoor swimming pool area with easy access from the main lounge area. Only problem is that it's in Bad Lippspringe, and not near anything else so it's seldom visited or reported on, and has staffing problems.
Both Artemis and Palace are lacking an outdoor area but make up for it with nice spa areas. Oase has issues with is food delivery situation, lack of a place to relax, and the absence of a men's toilet upstairs. Villa Vertigo's indoor and outdoor facility are top notch, but I agree with Dedalus and find the dressing room and shower area area very cramped. It's also hard to pass between the 2 main contact areas without going outside or walking through a the cramped corridor and pass the entrance desk. GT's facility is also nicely done except for cold winter nights when the main room can get very crowded. And it's really missing a pool in that big garden.
My top 10 ranking for physical facility alone:
1 Harem
2 Villa Vertigo
3 World
4 Artemis
5 Palace
6 GT
7 Finca
8 Oase
9 Living Room
10 Samya
SW- IMO, Bernd's and Oase are the most consistent, so despite their physical limitations, they're the clubs that I repeatedly visit, which begs the question; In the end, all things considered, how important really, are the physical facilities and food service?
World's facility is nice, and the downstairs relax area is a big plus and sorely lacking in most of the other clubs. I don't have a problem with lack of privacy in the rooms downstairs, but what irks me is that since the new bar was installed, the sight lines in the upstairs lounge are very poor, and it's hard to find a good spot to observe and gather info. IMO, I would agree that overall it has the best facility of the Hessen 3.
GT's facility is also nicely done except for cold winter nights when the main room can get very crowded. And it's really missing a pool in that big garden.
I find World's locker location allows for better viewing of the girls/guys reaction/time in room that at Oase with their lockers hiding near the bar, away from those in the main room.
And World's new setup just seems so 'unplanned' as if they did the entire remodel on one bar napkin. It would have made sense to use all the same furniture (the black leather couch's) that would have held up better over time. That one wicker couch will soon break apart and send 3 naked girls spilling (or that one huge one who danced on the stripper pole friday night and caused a panic). World has the space for so much more intesting seating setup's...get rid of those 'buildings' and those walls in the egypt section that cut off your viewing...and build up a section or two (like a couch grandstand) that will allow easier viewing.
As to GT...building that walkway to add one cabin? Why not stretch that walkway and make a small deck right as you walk outside (like the one to the left) and have a tent there in the winter that would make more usable space? But from what I understand, GT is limited in what it can do outside due to its location near a wildlife preserve, hence the lack of a pool...maybe they can put in a waterslide though ;-) Only answer is to make the best use of the available space inside...gut the sauna/whirlpool area and rip down the glass walls seperating it from the main room. A larger sauna could be built where the current tent is and a cold water feature that would drain into the mens locker room area.
Vito Corleone
04-03-09, 01:43
My top 10 ranking for physical facility alone:
1 Harem
2 Villa Vertigo
3 World
4 Artemis
5 Palace
6 GT
7 Finca
8 Oase
9 Living Room
10 Samya
SW- IMO, Bernd's and Oase are the most consistent, so despite their physical limitations, they're the clubs that I repeatedly visit, which begs the question; In the end, all things considered, how important really, are the physical facilities and food service?
Wow? You ranked Oase ahead of LR?
Wow? You ranked Oase ahead of LR?
When ranking is based upon physical qualities clearly Oase should be ranked ahead of LR! Oase has great outdoor facilities as a Pool, 2 outdoor Sauna's, big Kino etc. Never saw that in LR although I like LR very much!
Villa Vertigo indeed has great Wellnes area, I was there like so many times last Thursday and I must admit this time I was also impressed very much by the line-up of the girls!!!
We all know that in Oase the food is bad, the rooms and restrooms are not very clean. The only reason to go to Burgholzhausen is the line-up of the girls!
In NRW i do not like the fact that in GT, most of the times, I have to wait very long for a key, besides some of my colored friends are not wellcome in GT. LR is not bad although many times overcrowded. PHG is still going strong, for me the place where my FKK-Sauna addiction started!
Anyway, for me the place in NRW I prefer to visit above all, is Villa Vertigo!
Kind Regards,
Big30
Wow? You ranked Oase ahead of LR?
...area easily trumps LR's; Nice garden area, swimming pool, outdoor food service in summer times and the cabana chairs, tents, and "tree house" which are available for outside fun. LR has a small outside area, which is on a busy street and is visible from neighboring buildings. And the Oase kino is, well the Oase kino and viirtually unmatched for live action.
BTW, there's a recent post on the Other FKK thread about Acapulco in Velbert. I haven't been, but from the pics on their website (http://www.fkkacapulco.de/) and the description in the report, it may deserve a spot on this list. And according to their website, they're opening 30 new "suites" this weekend.
It's on my "To Do" list.
Vito Corleone
04-03-09, 21:16
When ranking is based upon physical qualities clearly Oase should be ranked ahead of LR! Oase has great outdoor facilities as a Pool, 2 outdoor Sauna's, big Kino etc. Never saw that in LR although I like LR very much!
Villa Vertigo indeed has great Wellnes area, I was there like so many times last Thursday and I must admit this time I was also impressed very much by the line-up of the girls!!!
We all know that in Oase the food is bad, the rooms and restrooms are not very clean. The only reason to go to Burgholzhausen is the line-up of the girls!
In NRW i do not like the fact that in GT, most of the times, I have to wait very long for a key, besides some of my colored friends are not wellcome in GT. LR is not bad although many times overcrowded. PHG is still going strong, for me the place where my FKK-Sauna addiction started!
Anyway, for me the place in NRW I prefer to visit above all, is Villa Vertigo!
Kind Regards,
Big30
I agree Oase's new outdoor pool, sauna & kino are great, but the rooms & locker area are just plain nasty. In my opinion, Oase does not even deserve to make any list except worst facilities.
I still like the club because of their lineups. I have a long list of ATF's.
In NRW i do not like the fact that in GT, most of the times, I have to wait very long for a key
Waiting is actually a good thing as long as your waiting with the girl for a room to open (such as world and oase) and the 'first come, first to get the next available room' rule is in order. Have gotten some really, really good attention at these clubs while waiting on the couch at world and on the stool in the tv area at oase. The interaction before hitting the room really gets the juices flowing.
Had to wait several times at GT...with the girl either waiting in the lobby for the key (to prevent line jumpers)...or having the girl keep checking. Ruins the chemisty aka anticipation considerably. And if you picked the girl as a second or third choice runner up...and have to wait alone for her to return...and your favorite walks by and is free....your tempted to do a switch.
I agree Oase's new outdoor pool, sauna & kino are great, but the rooms & locker area are just plain nasty. In my opinion, Oase does not even deserve to make any list except worst facilities.
I still like the club because of their lineups. I have a long list of ATF's.
I fully agree with you. The rooms are not very clean, call that an understatement. The locker area has a terrible smell, it stinks. And the food has been discussed many times. The decoration is camp. Compare it with Palace, World or Villa Vertigo.
And you know what? Oase is still the club I prefer above all!
Regards,
Big30
BTW, there's a recent post on the Other FKK thread about Acapulco in Velbert. I haven't been, but from the pics on their website (http://www.fkkacapulco.de/) and the description in the report, it may deserve a spot on this list. And according to their website, they're opening 30 new "suites" this weekend.
It's on my "To Do" list.
There is a party April 4 in Acapulco: Live DJ, dans show, etc. Yes they now have in total 30 rooms. Rooms are very nice and well decorated.
The indoor facilities are really excellent, "better" in my opinion than GT, PHG or LR.
Unfortunately almost no outdoor facilities. Just a small garden with some chairs.
The line-up at some days need some improvement although on Saturdays you will find at least 50 CDL in Acapulco.
Last months the guests seem to find the way to Acapulco. I can understand why :-)!
Regards,
Big30
The line-up at some days need some improvement although on Saturdays you will find at least 50 CDL in Acapulco.
What is a "CDL"? Cross Dresser Look, Covered Doggy Lady, ????
What is a "CDL"? Cross Dresser Look, Covered Doggy Lady, ????
Forgot, CDL is a german abbrevation, CDL = ClubDienstLeisterin (a girl that provides a service in a club)
Big30
Basketcase
04-04-09, 12:29
What is a "CDL"? Cross Dresser Look, Covered Doggy Lady, ????
CDL is a German abbreviation for club service provider or worker I understand. Sorry sometimes I write that as well on the forums. Hope this helps.
** This is part of a multi-report series on my 10-day trip to Germany / FKK's. **
The main report is here: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=866231&postcount=3810
Its implied by the title of this report, but let me say it explicitly. Germany is definitely a legitimate mongering destination, which came as somewhat of a surprise to me, because it doesn't get mentioned in other forums as much as Bangkok or Rio and maybe some others do. Following are a few differences between Germany and other destinations, that will give you a flavor for what the FKK experience is like.
1. FKK's have an exhibitionish / voyeuristic component to them, which I have not found at any other places. I get a big kick out of it, but not a game changer for me.
2. In Germany you are in the western world. This is (obviously) good and bad. On the good side, if one is from the western world, one feels at-home in terms security and infrastructure. On the bad side, travel related expenses are higher. Interestingly, FKK's themselves are actually as, or even less, expensive than the Rio termas.
3. FKK mongering experience is a little "isolated" experience. FKK's (at least the good ones) tend to be out of (but close to) the metro areas, so you're in sleepy small-town Germany with nothing to do. If you spend a few days there (like I did), your life will mainly involve going to the FKK and back to the hotel. This is very different from Rio or Bangkok, where there is plenty happening outside the institutions of pleasure, both mongering-wise as well as culturally. One alternative in Germany is to stay in the metros and commute to the FKK's. I didn't choose this option, because I preferred visiting few times during the day, as opposed to spending a chunk of 5-6 hours at a time. Besides, I personally enjoy spending some quiet time once in a while.
4. On the other hand, its europe. If you can plan a longer trip, you can alternate between a few days mongering, a few days "off" to go sightseeing. One good thing about Germany is its proximity to a lot of tourist venues / countries.
5. Experienced mongers, correct me if I'm wrong, but non-FKK (and non-PT) mongering in Germany is nowhere close in quality and quantity to what you can get in Rio and Bangkok.
6. Almost all of my sessions were decent experiences. Service ratings, which is what I most care about, were in the 6-8 range. But there was only one "amazing" experience. Typically, this number would be higher for me in Rio (or probably south america, in general). Those brazilieras really get into it. On the flip side, the frequency of bad experiences would also be typically higher in Rio.
7. Face, body ratings and cup sizes, on the other hand, were an average 1-2 points higher at the FKK's compared to Termas. There are definitely more prettier girls at the FKK's than I have seen anywhere else.
8. On the positive side of services available, BBBJ is virtually standard at FKK's. CIM is also on the menu, almost always, although its extra. In Rio and BKK, you can get these at no extra charge, but only if you get lucky.
9. Anal costs a lot more, but almost always available. In Rio and BKK, you can get this at no extra charge, but only if you get lucky.
10. It wasn't possible since I visited in winter, but one thing you can only do at an FKK (to the best of my knowledge), is do it outdoors under the stars. I have got to visit Germany in summer just for that.
11. Rooms in FKK's are typically bigger than Termas.
This is the first part of a multi-report series on my 10-day trip to Germany / FKK's. In this report, I have tried to give a general overview of my trip with the view towards helping a newbee. I visited in December; sorry, it took me a while to compile all the reports.
Some preliminaries about me / my approach to mongering, to the extent it will help you put my reports into perspective. I live in sex prison USA and take a few mongering trips a year. Since the airfare and hotel typically set me back anywhere between $1500 - $2000, before I actually spend a penny on the hobby, I do not skimp (but don't overpay either) when it comes to paying for the hobby; i.e. I am not looking to visit any budget places. I typically stay at clean, midrange hotels, not luxury hotels.
This being my first long-enough (~10 days) visit to Germany, I wanted to sample a large enough variety of venues and I rented a car. GPS is an amazing miracle of technology. It worked flawlessly when I input addresses from the FAQ. Highly recommended for first time mongers to Germany. I don't have the experience to substantiate this, but I think it would be beneficial to go in the off-peak tourist season, as everything from rental cars to hotels to girls at FKK's would be less difficult / cheaper to get. I know a little bit of german, which was certainly helpful, but I think one would do fine in English both at the FKK's and outside. I found the prices in the FAQ to be all accurate. The only venue I partook (is that a word?) the hobby in Germany was the FKK's; i.e., I did not visit pertytreffs or red light areas.
If the primary purpose of your trip is mongering, its cost efficient to do one FKK a day, since the entrance fee gives you unlimited admission during the day.
I visited in December. Most girls I talked to said they leave for christmas ~Dec. 15-20, so I'd think things would be quiet from then until the new year.
Currency: I found the best way of obtaining currency to be ATM's. Travelers Checks and Cash was too cumbersome and, I think, expensive to change into euros. ATM's charge a flat fee (plus a % foreign exchange fee), so its economical to minimize the visits to the ATM and withdraw the maximum amount you can each time you visit.
Another useful resource I found is an international mongering map / database, which shows all the FKK's in Germany: http://www.isaw-db.com/map_de.html
Overall, I found Germany to be a solid mongering destination. FKK's have abundant supply of mostly caucasian girls with great (7-9) looks and good (6-8) service. On an ongoing basis, I'd probably make either short (few days) trips to one FKK location or really long trips combining mongering and sightseeing.
Other reports in this series are:
Germany vs. other destinations (mainly Rio and Bangkok):
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=866228&postcount=3809
FKK Palace
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=866226&postcount=4059
FKK Oase
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=866221&postcount=3784
FKK Bernd
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=866211&postcount=1175
FKK Samya
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=866206&postcount=334
FKK GoldenTime
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=866205&postcount=905
Travelerb69
04-04-09, 17:28
Jayf1970, great reports. A nice perspective from someone new to the German scenery but experienced in other battlefields. I am putting them at the ROD. Your comparison between the german clubs and the Termas in Rio is great. Agree on 95 % of it. A few things I think different:
[QUOTE=Jayf1970]** This is part of a multi-report series on my 10-day trip to Germany / FKK's. **
6. Almost all of my sessions were decent experiences. Service ratings, which is what I most care about, were in the 6-8 range. But there was only one "amazing" experience. Typically, this number would be higher for me in Rio (or probably south america, in general). Those brazilieras really get into it. On the flip side, the frequency of bad experiences would also be typically higher in Rio.
From my experience at the Termas it is very difficult to have a real bad experience or attempt of rip-off. In my opinion for two reasons:the fact that time inside the room is controlled by the club and no charging for extras, either they do it (anal, CIM) or not, but if they they do it is included in the price. Both certainly help to avoid issues with the payment.
7. Face, body ratings and cup sizes, on the other hand, were an average 1-2 points higher at the FKK's compared to Termas. There are definitely more prettier girls at the FKK's than I have seen anywhere else.
Regarding faces, yes, german clubs win. As for bodies, I disagree, think Termas win hands down.
8. On the positive side of services available, BBBJ is virtually standard at FKK's. CIM is also on the menu, almost always, although its extra. In Rio and BKK, you can get these at no extra charge, but only if you get lucky.
Not only being lucky but also asking ahead, most girls will do anal. CIM on the other hand is not so common. Never got a covered blow job at the Termas, and in Germany got a few only at Partytreffs, so it is pretty much standard service at FKKS and Sauna clubs as well as at the Termas.
9. Anal costs a lot more, but almost always available. In Rio and BKK, you can get this at no extra charge, but only if you get lucky.
Same thing as commented before.
Thanks for all the info you provided. Keep it coming.
With the messe coming into town, i set up a reservation in bad nauheim at a reasonably priced pension hotel. I was visiting Oase the day before...so figured id drive up to World and on the way stop by to check out the location of the hotel. GPS took me 'pretty close' to the hotel...unfortunately it kept trying to get me to take the 'last right' on a road that no longer existed...or tried to send me down a pedestrian only zone. Could not for the life of me figure out how to get around these 2 detours. One way streets kept me going 'right turn only' several times in a row...and none would allow me to glimpse the hotel.
Ended up hitting the emergency "get me the fuck out of this area" gps button, which took me to world and as luck would have it, a cheaper hotel in the long run. As to Bad Nauheim...seemed like a nice city, especially the streets that I got to see 6 times in 10 minutes....over and over again. I did manage to call the hotel and cancel my room for the following day. Wonder how many end up doing this on the drive 'around the block'
... GPS took me 'pretty close' to the hotel...unfortunately it kept trying to get me to take the 'last right' on a road that no longer existed...or tried to send me down a pedestrian only zone. Could not for the life of me figure out how to get around these 2 detours. One way streets kept me going 'right turn only' several times in a row...and none would allow me to glimpse the hotel.
Ended up hitting the emergency "get me the fuck out of this area" gps button, which took me to world and as luck would have it, a cheaper hotel in the long run. As to Bad Nauheim...seemed like a nice city, especially the streets that I got to see 6 times in 10 minutes....over and over again.
So this experience would make you the 'Go To' guy for info on Bad Nauheim and our Techie to repair faulty GPS systems?
Glad to hear that you got a better price on your hotel in the end. Probably makes up for the extra gas you burned getting there.
Good Luck with your future adventures. Myr. ;)
With the messe coming into town, i set up a reservation in bad nauheim at a reasonably priced pension hotel. I was visiting Oase the day before...so figured id drive up to World and on the way stop by to check out the location of the hotel. GPS took me 'pretty close' to the hotel...unfortunately it kept trying to get me to take the 'last right' on a road that no longer existed...or tried to send me down a pedestrian only zone. Could not for the life of me figure out how to get around these 2 detours. One way streets kept me going 'right turn only' several times in a row...and none would allow me to glimpse the hotel.
Ended up hitting the emergency "get me the fuck out of this area" gps button, which took me to world and as luck would have it, a cheaper hotel in the long run. As to Bad Nauheim...seemed like a nice city, especially the streets that I got to see 6 times in 10 minutes....over and over again. I did manage to call the hotel and cancel my room for the following day. Wonder how many end up doing this on the drive 'around the block'
I have worked with GPS technology and know most of the main companies in the business. The biggest service challenge that this industry faces is that on a global basis, there are thousands of changes occurring every day to the map info which makes it virtually impossible for the mapping companies to maintain a truly current data file. Even if their data is truly current,they also are unable to update the data file on a product that's been in the field for awhile. There are some technology changes being implemented now to change this situation, but that will take years if ever to fully repair this glitch in their service.
It is imperative to always study a map, before starting a trip in which GPS will be your main navigation tool. With Google Maps and other tools it's so easy nowadays to get door to door maps and instructions.
Ever since a tragic accident of a colleague of mine, my company always rents cars with navigation devices. Nevertheless, unless I have already previously made that specific journey, I always print out driving instructions and a detailed map of the destination. I may not use them, but if during the trip I get an instruction from that sexy robotic GPS voice that doesn't sync with the general route that I plotted out beforehand, I ignore it and then let the device replot the trip.
Of course in your case, you ended up saving some bucks, so no harm done, but you went through some moments of angst and frustration which can be unsettling. There are lots of horror stories on the web, and even web sites with photos of cars whose drivers, blindly followed the directions of the navi device. As always, led astray by a woman. I don't remember the link but it's great stuff if you find that website!
After reading the FKK Forum for awhile I have to chuckle and of course be a little sad at the form of monger Racism towards Rom girls in the clubs. Like all racism it is just plain silly. Instead of complaining about the abundance of Rom girls we should be thankful because who among the experienced members can say they have not had a good/great time with one of these providers?
Ekliges Lauern
04-07-09, 21:38
After reading the FKK Forum for awhile I have to chuckle and of course be a little sad at the form of monger Racism towards Rom girls in the clubs. Like all racism it is just plain silly. Instead of complaining about the abundance of Rom girls we should be thankful because who among the experienced members can say they have not had a good/great time with one of these providers?
Chuckle away. Seriously, who we fuck is a matter of personal preference. I had a situation recently where a girl did not want to go with me. Do I care, not one whit, plenty of fish in the sea.
I've had particularly good luck with Thai, Chinese, Middle Eastern, Cuban, Brazilian and Russian women. As such, I tend to have a bias in favor women from these countries. Many women at FKKs have two programs, their A game for when they think you might be a repeat customer and the short program for guys they think that the will never see again. The short program is characterized by the "I want you off of me in 15 minutes" attitude. You know you are in for the short program if you tell the girl you want her to do the BJ slow and sensual and in response she does her best hummingbird imitation.
I've had some great session with Romanian and Bulgarian women, but my short program to A game ratio is running at about 2 to 1 with Romanian and Bulgarian women. The Romanian women seem to be aware of their reputation as a number of them pretend to be from Italy or Spain. It may be something about me that fails to generate chemistry with women from the Black sea region as I once met a monger at Cola who was so enamored with Romanian women that he was working on learning Romanian to get on better with them. To each his own.
I've also had some very nice sessions with Romanian women. Each woman is different. It was interesting, a few months ago when I was chatting with Romanian Sandra at GT as she was trying to entice me into a Kino BJ, that while she acknowledged she was born in Romania, she went to great pains to tell me she had been in Germany since a child and as such was almost a real German. I've had quite good sessions with some Romanian women, it's just the bad sessions have outnumbered the good. As such, I'm playing the percentages when I have a bias against Romanian and Bulgarian women.
As Romania and Bulgaria are two of the poorest countries in the EU, I expect to see more Romanian an Bulgarian women in the clubs when the transitional labor movement rules for Romanian and Bulgarian nationals expire in a few years. By that time, my tastes and opinions may have changed by then, so I may welcome the coming influx.
Some of my mongering mates do not go with Asian or African women. I do not accuse them of racism because of this as preferences for who we fuck are highly personal. Nor do I blame a woman for not wanting to fuck men of certain nationalities. In the end it is about individual choice. I don't think anyone should have to justify who they will or will not fuck against accusations of racism.
since discovering LMP in London I have hardly bothered with FKKs these past few months. But i do fancy a return visit to one soon - but taking a different tack. Very much looking to do a wellness day (lots of time in the sauna, steam rooms, pool etc even time on the lawn if the weather turns nice) - with the option of 'extras' included. From my reading of this forum the best two options for this would seem to be Yin Yang and Villa Vertigo - both within reasonable travelling distance of my home. Any other FKKs that might offer the same experience?
Thanks in advance.
Ripple
Very much looking to do a wellness day (lots of time in the sauna, steam rooms, pool etc even time on the lawn if the weather turns nice) - with the option of 'extras' included. From my reading of this forum the best two options for this would seem to be Yin Yang and Villa Vertigo - both within reasonable travelling distance of my home. Any other FKKs that might offer the same experience?
Thanks in advance.
Ripple
These are certainly two good options when wellness has a high priority. "Best option" depends also a little on personal preference. Remember both YY and VV have no steam rooms. Both have a nice garden with swimming pool.
When Wellness has high priority then also Acapulco in Velbert should be mentioned: indoor swimming pool, great sauna and steam room but limitid outdoor facilities.
But you can also have a great day in the other 3 well known clubs in NRW: PHG, GT and LR. PHG has outdoor swimming pool but no whirhlpool and kino. LR and GT both have.
If wellness would have high priority for me then on a sunny day I would go to VV (garden + swimming pool) and on a less sunny day I would visit Acapulco (great indoor wellness facilities).
Note: all these clubs mentioned are Sauna clubs (most girls with bikini or lingerie, in GT/LR/VV/ACC small fraction "oben-ohne") and not FKK's (girls naked) as you will find moren in Hessen.
Regards,
Big30
since discovering LMP in London I have hardly bothered with FKKs these past few months.
Ripple
LMP? I'm not familiar with this designation. Would you be referring to the London Mozart Players www.lmp.org or the Lady Marmalade Parties www.ladymarmaladeparties.com ? ;) :)
LMP? I'm not familiar with this designation. Would you be referring to the London Mozart Players www.lmp.org or the Lady Marmalade Parties www.ladymarmaladeparties.com ? ;) :)
Lady Marmalade Parties or best gentleman's party in London. Has its own dedicated thread in the UK section.
I am going to report a tour I made recently in NRW. It was a 6 days tour (+1 for the flight back), which is a lot. Due to flight availability I had the choice of staying for 2 days or 6, but 2 days was too a short time, so..
Therefore, having such a long time available, the tour strategy was one of “low intensity battles”, with the purpose of saving available energies to use them at best.
I tried to make a choice in favor of quality rather than quantity, which, to a certain extent I succeeded in attaining.
I realized that my inclination to fuck every hole available is almost null, thus I abandoned the residual idea to sample some other PT/PC clubs and decided that the SaunaClub/FKK formula is my cup of tea, so I stuck to this.
I visited 2 times LR and PHG, 1 time GT and YY, so I got a reasonable idea of the current panorama offered by the clubs of this region, and thus can express some general considerations as follows.
1) The average level of the girls seemed to me lower, compared to my previous visits, and I noticed that this tendency is constant. Thus I am asking where did all the good girls go? Did they move to other luxury clubs where they can make more money? (And in case, which are these ones and is there enough market for them?) Did they move to clubs of other regions? To private apartments? Back to their countries? What?
It looks like the flood from EE has weakened a lot. Fewer girls from the Slavish block (Russia, Latvia, Ukraine, etc.), while the scene is dominated, at least quantitatively, by the Rumanian girls. Also the local German girls are fewer, good ones in particular.
2) Therefore blonde girls are now pretty rare (and in high demand, though), brunettes are an overwhelming majority.
3) While in my first visits I could count a dog as a rarity, now in almost every club I found quite a few girls I wouldn’t have fucked even if they would have paid me! Ugly faces, fat cellulite bodies, enormous bellies… girls/women I may expect to find at a PT, but not in a FKK! Even more crazy is that they make their business! I mean: there are guys who pay FKK rates for them!
4) Nevertheless it’s still possible to find good looking and good serving girls, but it requires some effort and some luck as well.
Next: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=868396&postcount=166
7. Face, body ratings and cup sizes, on the other hand, were an average 1-2 points higher at the FKK's compared to Termas. There are definitely more prettier girls at the FKK's than I have seen anywhere else.
Regarding faces, yes, german clubs win. As for bodies, I disagree, think Termas win hands down.
I know what you mean, but for my taste (full figured women), I saw more number of jaw-dropping beauties at FKK's... Also, notice that I specifically mentioned cup sizes. One aspect of female anatomy that Brazilieras win hands down is the derriere, but they are definitely light on the mammaries pretty uniformly.
I am going to report a tour I made recently in NRW. It was a 6 days tour (+1 for the flight back), which is a lot.
Next: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=868396&postcount=166
Excellent report Duralong. I have PM'd you further comments and have added your introduction to R. O. D.
Excellent report Duralong. I have PM'd you further comments and have added your introduction to R. O. D.
Thank you for your compliments and appreciation Myrmidon.
I hope not to have frightened you too much.
Perception and acceptation of risk is individual, but we all should be aware of how things are, to decide properly according to our inclination.
Usually reports, in this like in other forums, tend to be positively biased, simple because reporting on good experiences is fun, while reporting on bad ones is more a duty. So people (we) tend to report more the good than the bad. I did this myself last October, after my below average trip, I was unable to complete a full report on it.
But if I write a report I always try to show the complete picture.
I hope not to have frightened you too much.
Perception and acceptation of risk is individual, but we all should be aware of how things are, to decide properly according to our inclination.
Usually reports, in this like in other forums, tend to be positively biased, simple because reporting on good experiences is fun, while reporting on bad ones is more a duty...
But if I write a report I always try to show the complete picture.
You did indeed frighten me, but in a good way. There are risks present that we all know and must accept; but we usually tend to ignore them, much like not reporting the bad means that it does not happen. Right?
It is better to know the risks and how to deal with them. That is why I returned to my 'home board' and researched STD's / STI's and their relationship to DATY, DFK & BBBJ's. (Bearing in mind that the FKK environment is unique, with unique challenges and problems for both ladies and men) I also included a brief look at rinsing with Mouthwash, etc. Thank you for the 'reminder' / 'wake-up call'. I recall one pooner who used to sign off: Remember, Hi Gene is more than just a greeting!
Its been mentioned before that the girls are seeing less business, guys are going to the room less than before. And we know alot of clubs have opened 'sister' clubs when the economy was booming...so operating costs have gone up for some clubs. And some brand new clubs like Ville Vertigo have opened with less business than they hoped for...
So have to wonder, will be seeing the closing or selling of some clubs in the near future?
I also want to add that I talked to a guy at one of the clubs who was getting the numbers of the girls who were interested in working for him at an incall location. Wonder how many more guys are trying to recruit? Have to think though, if guys are being tight with their money...how many will fork out 200 euro's to see an escort?
Ekliges Lauern
04-14-09, 03:01
Now that I’m back at home, I made a little spreadsheet on the past weeks adventures to see if there were any statistical lessons. I captured the following information:
Club
Girl's Name
Girl’s Nationality
Appearance: 3 = Hot, 2=I like seeing you naked, 1=If we’re having sex, I’m keeping my eyes closed
Service: 4=Very good, 3=Good, 2=Fair, 1=Poor
Estimated Age: I estimate Lin from GT at 40. Where the girl told me her age, I used what she told me
Appearance is very subjective. I know I rated a few girls as hot that few other mongers would. Thai girls, if they are not ugly are pretty much always hot in my book. I rated Patrizia at Acapulco as hot. I doubt many other mongers would. Whether any of this is useful to you would depend on whether your tastes are remotely similar to mine.
If I did a session with more than one girl, each girl gets a separate entry. If I sessioned more than once with a girl, each session got a separate entry.
Total number of girl/sessions: 29
Average age: 29
Appearance
Hot: 11, 38%
I like seeing you naked: 16, 55%
I’m keeping my eyes closed: 2, 7%
Service
Very good: 16, 55%
Good: 8, 28%
Fair: 2, 7%
Poor: 3, 10%
I looked at the results by club. I visited six clubs. One club, F39, I had only one session and rated he girl as Hot and the session as Very Good. I’m excluding F39 from the analysis. Of the other five clubs, for service the averages were:
Acapulco: 3.5 (half way between good and very good)
Oase: 3.33
GT: 3.25
Palace: 3 (good)
World: 3 (good)
On the looks department, I think Acapulco is skewed high as I did 2 sessions each with Patrizia and Lily, both of whom I rated as hot. GT is skewed low as I was definitely selecting MILFy during my GT run. The average rankings:
Acapulco: 2.5 (halfway between hot and I like seeing you naked)
Palace: 2.4
World: 2.33
Oase: 2.17
GT: 2.13
Remember, neither of these are rating the overall club lineups, but rather the girls I sessioned with.
As far as nationality I had sessions with girls from 16 different nationalities. Hey, I like variety. Breaking down by broad categories/race:
Asian: 6
Latina: 5
European: 17
Middle Eastern: 1
Three different nationalities, Russian, Thai and Bulgarian (!) each accounted for 4 girl/sessions. Every other nationality was 2 or 1 girl/sessions. Of the three nationalities with 4 girl/session:
Appearance:
Thai: 3 (Hot, hey, did I mention I really like Thai girls)
Bulgarian: 2.25
Russian: 2
Service:
Russia: 4 (Very good)
Thai: 3.75
Bulgarian: 3 (Good)
As always, YMMV.
If anyone wants a copy of the spreadsheet, PM me an email address.
Now that I’m back at home, I made a little spreadsheet on the past weeks adventures to see if there were any statistical lessons.
No disrespect intended, but I think your taking this just a little too seriously. I thought it was just about having fun?
On the other hand, good on you:
Total number of girl/sessions: 29
Average age: 29
Appearance
Hot: 11, 38%
I like seeing you naked: 16, 55%
I’m keeping my eyes closed: 2, 7%
Service
Very good: 16, 55%
Good: 8, 28%
Fair: 2, 7%
Poor: 3, 10%
Just wondering, Did you use a clip board or tape recorder to keep track of your information? Did any of the girls object to being surveyed? Maybe you could sell the results back to the clubs for their improvement, where necessary.
Seriously though, I'm just jealous of your numbers and ability to keep them all straight. It could make the coming weeks seem a little quiet though. ;)
Ekliges Lauern
04-14-09, 10:59
No disrespect intended, but I think your taking this just a little too seriously. I thought it was just about having fun?
Actually it was fun to take a look back. Someone mentioned that reading reviews was a bit of a voyeuristic pleasure. I captured all of the girls names in my reviews so it was just an opportunity to go back and think about each girl and each session.
Don't worry, I don't plan on making a habit of the spreadsheet analysis.
Angus Magee
04-14-09, 11:26
...is that whatever works for, works for you. I am more the type who likes to write "stream of consciousness" narrative in my reviews (when I have the time & energy) and would very, very rarely rate a girl with a numerical value. But I know that others have a different way, and that way includes putting a number on the experience/girl. In a way this is probably more valuable in terms of being able to translate the experience to others. But my enjoyment comes in trying to describe the experience in a way that entertains as well as informs.
Actually it was fun to take a look back. Someone mentioned that reading reviews was a bit of a voyeuristic pleasure. I captured all of the girls names in my reviews so it was just an opportunity to go back and think about each girl and each session.
Don't worry, I don't plan on making a habit of the spreadsheet analysis.
Funnily enough, it was I who used that phrase: 869755
I thank all posters, no matter what method they use, it is what this board is for and is helpful to someone / all of us. Thank you. ;)
Ekliges Lauern
04-15-09, 00:40
...is that whatever works for, works for you. I am more the type who likes to write "stream of consciousness" narrative in my reviews (when I have the time & energy) and would very, very rarely rate a girl with a numerical value. But I know that others have a different way, and that way includes putting a number on the experience/girl. In a way this is probably more valuable in terms of being able to translate the experience to others. But my enjoyment comes in trying to describe the experience in a way that entertains as well as informs.
I quite like your reviews for the narrative quality. As it turns out, I'm not often in Berlin so I haven't had a chance to check out Artemis. When I do, I'll probably bone up on your reviews in preparation.
I really don't think of women's appearance or the quality of the session numerically. For appearance, I think in terms of three categories, I like her appearance, I really, really like her appearance and I don't like her appearance. My tastes are pretty broad, so of the clubs I visit, only about 20% fall into the "I don't like her appearance" category. Percentage is probably higher at F39, about 40%. Within these categories, I don't tend to think of women comparatively, as in this woman is better looking than that woman.
As far as service or quality of session, I think in terms of very good, good, mixed and bad. Difference between between very good and good is whether when I recall the session and ask myself if I would repeat solely based on the service from that session and I answer yes without hesitation, that is very good. Mixed are relatively rare for me to have both good and bad feelings. I usually fall one way or the other.
I layed a numerical scale over these categories to see if there was any patterns I didn't perceive. Not really. I already knew:
1) I like Russian girls for service and Thai girls for their appearance.
2) All of the clubs I visited did it for me from a service point of view, but some were better than the others.
3) As far as appearance, the ranking by clubs was sort of meaningless as it reflected the girls I chose on any give day. I think as the week wore on, the girl's appearance became less important in my selection criteria. I'm not sure if it is because after a week of being surrounded by naked and scantily clad women, it's just less important. All of the clubs did for my on the overall visuals of the lineup, although less so for F39.
What I also knew, but didn't really sink until.
1) Opinions of women's appearance is a highly individual matter and my tastes are not that common. As I was contemplating which girls I put in the very attractive category, about half of them in that category I am probably alone in my opinion.
Probably won't do that level of analysis again, if was kind of fun to go back and really think about each girl and each session. But not a whole lot learned from the exercise.
Had a great time in Germany last weekend. Booked a organized club tour to Duesseldorf near Cologne / Dortmund. Arrived at Duesseldorf airport on Friday afternoon. Pick up service and hotel shuttle very convenient. Later starting from my hotel , there were three other guys with me on tour. We visited one club on Friday night, two clubs on Saturday and the last club on Sunday. On Friday I took 2 girls, being so randy and quality was excellent. One Russian and one Polish chick. Then took it easy the next two days. There was a nice selection of pussy in every club and I always found one that matched my taste. Did not remember clubs or girls as I had some beers too but the clubs where all in about 1 hours distance around Duesseldorf. One club was called Paradiso or so. It´s been my first time in those fkk clubs, did not know what to expect but I felt well taken care of and the guide did a great job. Saw him jumping some chicks too. All I can say is : recommended ! Booked the tour through: http://www.premium-spa-club-tour.net . Will try to do a weekday trip next time. Sorry, no photos yet. Have fun …
Ekliges Lauern
04-17-09, 16:15
Had a great time in Germany last weekend. Booked a organized club tour to Duesseldorf near Cologne / Dortmund. Arrived at Duesseldorf airport on Friday afternoon. Pick up service and hotel shuttle very convenient. Later starting from my hotel , there were three other guys with me on tour. We visited one club on Friday night, two clubs on Saturday and the last club on Sunday. On Friday I took 2 girls, being so randy and quality was excellent. One Russian and one Polish chick. Then took it easy the next two days. There was a nice selection of pussy in every club and I always found one that matched my taste. Did not remember clubs or girls as I had some beers too but the clubs where all in about 1 hours distance around Duesseldorf. One club was called Paradiso or so. It´s been my first time in those fkk clubs, did not know what to expect but I felt well taken care of and the guide did a great job. Saw him jumping some chicks too. All I can say is : recommended ! Booked the tour through: http://www.premium-spa-club-tour.net . Will try to do a weekday trip next time. Sorry, no photos yet. Have fun …
No offense, but you've been had. 800 Euro for being ferried around for 3 days and 2 nights hotel room? Any monger wannabees wanting a personal 3 day tour, I'm happy to do it for 500 Euro.
Seriously, if you are an English speaker and and can't figure out how to get a hotel and get to the golden triangle or the Hessen big 3 on your own, not sure you deserve the delights that await you.
Angus Magee
04-17-09, 16:43
No offense, but you've been had. 800 Euro for being ferried around for 3 days and 2 nights hotel room? Any monger wannabees wanting a personal 3 day tour, I'm happy to do it for 500 Euro.
Seriously, if you are an English speaker and and can't figure out how to get a hotel and get to the golden triangle or the Hessen big 3 on your own, not sure you deserve the delights that await you.
Had a bit of the same reaction. 800 Euros is a lot of sessions.
And I could not help but wonder if this was a not so subtle bit of self promotion.
After reading I googled "FKK Tours" and found that there are many, many people offering this type of service.
Man O Man. But I guess this is capitalism and there must be a call for this as unbelievable as it is.
No offense, but you've been had. 800 Euro for being ferried around for 3 days and 2 nights hotel room? Any monger wannabees wanting a personal 3 day tour, I'm happy to do it for 500 Euro.
Seriously, if you are an English speaker and and can't figure out how to get a hotel and get to the golden triangle or the Hessen big 3 on your own, not sure you deserve the delights that await you.
Well, I got the transport to all those places without worries. Got hotel rooms for two nights. Food and drinks and all the information. Entrance fees alone , which I figured out would have cost me 50.- Euros each place. Could relax and concentrate on the mongering. I think that the additional bit has been well spend. Enjoyed it . Cheers mate.
Well, I got the transport to all those places without worries. Got hotel rooms for two nights. Food and drinks and all the information. Entrance fees alone , which I figured out would have cost me 50.- Euros each place. Could relax and concentrate on the mongering. I think that the additional bit has been well spend. Enjoyed it . Cheers mate.Let’s break down on the normal cost for the services received:
One can find a 4 star hotel in Dusseldorf area around 80€ per night for a double room. Even on the high end should not be more than 100€. So 2 nights would be 200€.
Entrance to 4 clubs, that could be 50 X 4 = 200€
As for transportation, renting a car plus gas for that time period should not cost more than 150€. Let's say 200€ on the high side.
The total cost for doing that yourself would be around 600€.
So basically, it costs around 200€ to have someone make all the arrangements and to drive you around. If that’s worth it to you, so be it. I never would have done it. Then again, I am a cheap bastard and don’t need any hand holding.
Had a bit of the same reaction. 800 Euros is a lot of sessions.And I could not help but wonder if this was a not so subtle bit of self promotion.After reading I googled "FKK Tours" and found that there are many, many people offering this type of service.Man O Man. But I guess this is capitalism and there must be a call for this as unbelievable as it is.
Why shouldn’t I share a good experience ? I don’t get this. Some people just want it cheaper and cheaper and are only satisfied when life comes cheap. Overpaying is no good but bargaining as a life concept sucks ass man !
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Ekliges Lauern
04-17-09, 18:21
sonders angebot: come join a small group of sex-seeking degenerates on a multi-day, multiple-orgasim action packed journey through the hottest sex clubs the planet can boast. that's right: bring us your tired, your hungry and rich horny masses and our elite team of experienced fkk masters will make sure you get an unforgettable experience. monger with real fkk legends.
for 800 euros here's what you get:
learn how to stalk, solicit, select and lurk in the fkk kinos from the legendary nauseating lurker himself, ekliges lauern. he'll show you how to select the girls with the top bbbjcim skills! interested? read on:
simply deposit an additional 300 euros into basketcase's private pay-for-play bank account and you can also become a basketcase for a day! you can meet basketcase, the famous monger athlete, and he will personally take you on the s-bahn from frankfurt hbf and show you where to get off. but wait, there's more: he will also lead you on the secret footpath from s-bahn station friedricksdorf all the way to fkk oase, where, after you've paid his entrance fee, booked him a massage and paid for his obiligatory 3 sessions with cim extras, he will personally discuss with you the pluses and minuses of that day's line-up! interested? read on:
for an additional 300 euros, you can be met at berlin's zoological station by the one and only angus magee who will show you how to get on the complex berlin s-bahn system all the way to westend, where he will personally lead you to artemis or any of a host of brothels rep001tered around the capital city.
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Angus Magee
04-17-09, 18:50
Why shouldn’t I share a good experience ? I don’t get this. Some people just want it cheaper and cheaper and are only satisfied when life comes cheap. Overpaying is no good but bargaining as a life concept sucks ass man !
Hey, maybe we are being a bit hostile to your post. But this is the internet and posts like yours, double posted word for word in a couple of different threads just come across as a bit spam-y and are not so useful to those of us who make an effort to write reports that are useful and contain info about the clubs & the girls.
May I suggest that you make a bit of effort yourself and write a reasonably detailed report or two about the clubs you visited and the girls with whom you had sessions.
At the end of those reports, I am sure, if you wanted to ad that you did not feel to make the arrangements yourself and so used such & such a service with great satisfaction, I am pretty sure that you would have a different reaction.
Angus Magee
04-17-09, 18:57
for an additional 300 euros, you can be met at berlin's zoological station by the one and only angus magee who will show you how to get on the complex berlin s-bahn system all the way to westend, where he will personally lead you to artemis or any of a host of brothels rep001tered around the capital city.
this one-time offer will expire soon...so hurry up and book right away!
note: all major credit cards accepted.
lol-and for a short time only, and only for an additional 200€, i will personally introduce you to the artemis bj russian legend, ella. you will be amazed and dare i say stupefied by her skills. hurry, hurry!
Hey, maybe we are being a bit hostile to your post. But this is the internet and posts like yours, double posted word for word in a couple of different threads just come across as a bit spam-y and are not so useful to those of us who make an effort to write reports that are useful and contain info about the clubs & the girls.
May I suggest that you make a bit of effort yourself and write a reasonably detailed report or two about the clubs you visited and the girls with whom you had sessions.
At the end of those reports, I am sure, if you wanted to ad that you did not feel to make the arrangements yourself and so used such & such a service with great satisfaction, I am pretty sure that you would have a different reaction.
No problems, agreed. I´ll do this when I´m back in Germany after my next trip. Ok ? I´m heading for Thailand now.
Angus Magee
04-17-09, 20:27
No problems, agreed. I´ll do this when I´m back in Germany after my next trip. Ok ? I´m heading for Thailand now.
Great. Have fun in the LOS
Ekliges Lauern
04-17-09, 20:48
LOL-and for a short time only, and only for an additional 200€, I will personally introduce you to the Artemis bj Russian legend, Ella. You will be amazed and dare I say stupefied by her skills. Hurry, hurry!
Hmm, 200E seems fair if she is as good as you say.
LOL-and for a short time only, and only for an additional 200€, I will personally introduce you to the Artemis bj Russian legend, Ella. You will be amazed and dare I say stupefied by her skills. Hurry, hurry!Dolphin12: Beware of rogues like Angus. This is the biggest scam of the lot. I know Ella all too well. She don't need an Angus to introduce her to a newbie trailing after a tour guide. She'll sniff him out herself - guaranteed. Trouble is - the tour guide and Angus'll be in there with her before you.
Glad you had a good time. As you say, everyone makes their decisions on prices. Now you can do it all by yourself, and report in detail. As we do.
Any idea where to buy Vodka while in germany? Do they sell it at the supermarkets?
Any idea where to buy Vodka while in germany? Do they sell it at the supermarkets?
Vodka in Germany? Heretic! In Germany you drink beer, except near the French border, where you drink bad wine! If you want something stronger, try Jägermeister or Asbach.
Any idea where to buy Vodka while in germany? Do they sell it at the supermarkets?
This is a serious question?? Almost every street corner I would say, including tankstations. Not a problem.
Big30
Angus Magee
04-19-09, 17:49
Any idea where to buy Vodka while in germany? Do they sell it at the supermarkets?
just about anywhere they sell booze. Supermarkets-yes.
This is a serious question?? Almost every street corner I would say, including tankstations. Not a problem.
Big30
yes, serious question...not really for me but for a friend. Im a beer drinker mainly myself. But they sell bottles at gas stations?
yes, serious question...not really for me but for a friend. Im a beer drinker mainly myself. But they sell bottles at gas stations?
They often sell a brand named "Universalverdünnung".
yes, serious question...not really for me but for a friend. Im a beer drinker mainly myself. But they sell bottles at gas stations?
Yes in Germany no problem. At most gas stations they sell beer and liquor. When I am well informed only gas stations along the auto bahn between 24-06 hr do not sell alcohol in Hessen (in NRW it is allowed) but correct me if I am wrong.
I remember few months ago we drove back from Oase and I wanted to buy beer (I was not driving!), at night at the Autobahn gas stations in Hessen that was not possible.
I refuse to pay 10 euro for a 33cl bottle of beer in BHH :-)!
Big30
This is my first post. Apologies if I have posted in wrong thread.
I visited one of "big" FKK's one month and had sex with 5 Ladies over 2 days. Had BBBJ with all 5 Ladies & DATY with just one.
Yesterday morning when I awoke I felt extremely weak, headache (Flu like symptoms) Spent the day in bed & the weak feeling went away after approx 15 hours. After a night's sleep I'm about 90% recovered.
Life has been busy over the past few weeks. Working long hours with some nights out. I was feeling tired all week with not too much sleep. Also have a cold for a number of weeks that I can't shake off.
I've started to worry about having contacted HIV via Oral Sex. I know the risks of contacting hiv via oral sex are low & that the Ladies in the club are tested regularly.
What do other forum members feel about risks of oral sex.
How long should I wait to get tested? Immediately, 3 months, 6 months?
Thanks,
Podge
This is my first post. Apologies if I have posted in wrong thread.
I visited one of "big" FKK's one month and had sex with 5 Ladies over 2 days. Had BBBJ with all 5 Ladies & DATY with just one.
Yesterday morning when I awoke I felt extremely weak, headache (Flu like symptoms) Spent the day in bed & the weak feeling went away after approx 15 hours. After a night's sleep I'm about 90% recovered.
Life has been busy over the past few weeks. Working long hours with some nights out. I was feeling tired all week with not too much sleep. Also have a cold for a number of weeks that I can't shake off.
I've started to worry about having contacted HIV via Oral Sex. I know the risks of contacting hiv via oral sex are low & that the Ladies in the club are tested regularly.
What do other forum members feel about risks of oral sex.
How long should I wait to get tested? Immediately, 3 months, 6 months?
Thanks,
Podge
Vodka in Germany? Heretic! In Germany you drink beer, except near the French border, where you drink bad wine! If you want something stronger, try Jägermeister or Asbach.
Hey Masayama,
With all due respect, bite your tongue ;-)) Many wines that come from the German side of the French/German Grenze hold there own very well with their French counterparts from the other side. In fact I've had a number of whites from the Baden region that are just as good if not better than some Alsatian white wines I've sampled.
As for Vodka in D'land: One can find Grey Goose at most grocery stores, excluding Aldi, Lidl and Penny Markt. Ketel One is more difficult to find. These are my personal favorites. But if you happen to be in accord with my tastes and if you run into a Polish or Russian gentleman who is also a vodka fan, take care and keep your preferences to yourself. Admitting to a Russian of Polish person that the French and Dutch make the best vodka may be fighting words, and some Russians I've met at Oase and World might cut your ass from A to Z over such a misunderstanding ;-)))
You want authentic German hard stuff, then try some Kirschwasser. The best of it is really fine. Personally I could never understand why anyone would put that Jägermeister poison in their mouths. Gymnasium and college boys drink that stuff and puke on their girlfriends. Also winos and street people buy it.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Warsteiner
04-20-09, 10:58
This is my first post. Apologies if I have posted in wrong thread.
I visited one of "big" FKK's one month and had sex with 5 Ladies over 2 days. Had BBBJ with all 5 Ladies & DATY with just one.
Yesterday morning when I awoke I felt extremely weak, headache (Flu like symptoms) Spent the day in bed & the weak feeling went away after approx 15 hours. After a night's sleep I'm about 90% recovered.
Life has been busy over the past few weeks. Working long hours with some nights out. I was feeling tired all week with not too much sleep. Also have a cold for a number of weeks that I can't shake off.
I've started to worry about having contacted HIV via Oral Sex. I know the risks of contacting hiv via oral sex are low & that the Ladies in the club are tested regularly.
What do other forum members feel about risks of oral sex.
How long should I wait to get tested? Immediately, 3 months, 6 months?
Thanks,
Podge
Being infected with HIV from oral sex is extremely unlikely however if you are concerned you should get tested immediately.
Warsteiner
04-20-09, 10:59
An English version of a report in the Süddeutsche Zeitung last Friday - Hookers offer discounts amid limp sex trade
http://www.thelocal.de/society/20090417-18699.html
Maybe there will be some discounts on the FKK scene as well.
Ace Montana
04-20-09, 19:07
... that the Ladies in the club are tested regularly.Are you sure of that?
For your information: the "Bockschein" (obligatory health certificate for prostitutes) has been abolished in Germany a few years ago.
I visited one of "big" FKK's one month and had sex with 5 Ladies over 2 days. Had BBBJ with all 5 Ladies & DATY with just one.
Yesterday morning when I awoke I felt extremely weak, headache (Flu like symptoms) Spent the day in bed & the weak feeling went away after approx 15 hours. After a night's sleep I'm about 90% recovered.
Sounds like you picked up a mild case of food poisoning. What did you eat for dinner the night before? chicken?
I urge Jackyo as well as everyone else to keep posting. I also think that it is good to get multiple points of view on things and I dont see it as a bad thing to challenge some of the information given.
... don't like to read opposing points of view and they start to get cocky left on their own.
I express my points of view. You can agree or disagree.
Its all the same to me.
This forum has served (and still serves) to funnel folks to a handful of clubs.
Should we all just tow the party line and urge dudes to visit just this handful of clubs?
IMHO, this is a disservice to consumers, particularly to newbies who have limited comparisons to go by.
In the end, it is still caveat emptor. Take everything you read here with a grain of salt.
Maybe we should all be publishing disclaimers after each post proclaiming "The views expressed herein represent personal opinions."
After three years of posting and almost 3,000 posts, I've seen and participated in just about any imaginable discussion you can have on this topic. After years of plugging the NRW clubs, I have yet to receive a check from the NRW tourism bureau.
Does it get repetitive? Fer shure.
What have we not discussed yet? Sex with midgets? Wrestling with a chick and having sex with her?
i find it hard to recuperate inbetween sessions.
what can you take to help speed up the sperm production?
any good supplements?
vitamins?
...What have we not discussed yet? Sex with midgets? Wrestling with a chick and having sex with her? Interestingly enough, I had a chance to fuck a Colombian midget in a very rugged off the beaten path Spanish club some years back. Passed on the opportunity though. As for wrestling with a chick and have sex with her, that is about every other time I have sex :-)
Should we all just tow the party line and urge dudes to visit just this handful of clubs?
What clubs 'I' visit has alot to do with what im looking for during my vacation. Sex is one but im not spending the entire trip anymore fucking 24/7. I'd actually like a mix of hot girls, good sex, relaxing, getting a sauna, finding a connection or three, good food, a feeling of money well spent...and if possible an occasional beer. I just flew 10 hours in a small metal box getting to germany, I really don't want to feel claustrophobic in a club. I'd also prefer not to have to live on the same lunchmeat and cheese's that my hotel offered me for breakfast. I like goldentime, oase and world for their talent...but im also content with what finca has to offer. There are other clubs out there that id like to check out...accapolco, flamingo, artemis to name a few...but for now doing the larger clubs works best for 'me'.
Ekliges Lauern
04-22-09, 03:08
What clubs 'I' visit has alot to do with what im looking for during my vacation. Sex is one but im not spending the entire trip anymore fucking 24/7. I'd actually like a mix of hot girls, good sex, relaxing, getting a sauna, finding a connection or three, good food, a feeling of money well spent...and if possible an occasional beer. I just flew 10 hours in a small metal box getting to germany, I really don't want to feel claustrophobic in a club. I'd also prefer not to have to live on the same lunchmeat and cheese's that my hotel offered me for breakfast. I like goldentime, oase and world for their talent...but im also content with what finca has to offer. There are other clubs out there that id like to check out...accapolco, flamingo, artemis to name a few...but for now doing the larger clubs works best for 'me'.
We lose site of the fact that everyone has different tastes. No one club is the right answer for everyone. I have the same issue with surviving on FKK food for more than a day. I like good food and regularly leave clubs and have a real meal in a restaurant and return to the club. Some mongering friends prefer to eat FKK food so as not to miss time hanging out with the ladies. Different strokes for different folks.
BTW, if visiting Acapulco, I would suggest you read BC and my trip reports. The club works for me as I have broad tastes. Didn't work for BC as the lineup did not meet visual requirements. I can only baseline with clubs I have visited, but I thought the visual quality was in line if a little bit below VV. It was higher than F39 and higher still than Bernds. I have no experience with Finca. I don't want to discourage anyone from visiting, but if you are looking for the hottest lineup visually, you should probably stick to the Hessen 3 or GT.
I like good food and regularly leave clubs and have a real meal in a restaurant and return to the club. Some mongering friends prefer to eat FKK food so as not to miss time hanging out with the ladies. Different strokes for different folks.
I am the same.. I prefer to have a break because you get desensitised to naked flesh and a break refreshes your eyes. Also, if I have FKK food for two days in a row, I terrible heartburn for the next week! I also can not buy anti-acids or Bicarb in Germany because I just can't find them! So if anybody can give me info on this it would be great.
Now, I think it would be useful and constructive to complie a list of useful restaurants near the main FKK places.
I have not been to one in several years... near World however, there used to be a "Cuban Cafe" that did great non-alcoholic cocktails and great "finger food" that left you really satisfied. It was in Linden, up the main road fromthe Etap. Also there is the Usual Fast Food stuff there in Grossen Linden.
Any other suggestions?
Ekliges Lauern
04-22-09, 12:11
I am the same.. I prefer to have a break because you get desensitised to naked flesh and a break refreshes your eyes. Also, if I have FKK food for two days in a row, I terrible heartburn for the next week! I also can not buy anti-acids or Bicarb in Germany because I just can't find them! So if anybody can give me info on this it would be great.
Now, I think it would be useful and constructive to complie a list of useful restaurants near the main FKK places.
I have not been to one in several years... near World however, there used to be a "Cuban Cafe" that did great non-alcoholic cocktails and great "finger food" that left you really satisfied. It was in Linden, up the main road fromthe Etap. Also there is the Usual Fast Food stuff there in Grossen Linden.
Any other suggestions?From Oase, there is a place called Lindenhof in Friedrichsdorf which is quite good.
From Palace, I usually take the U Bahn to Bockenheimerwarte. The are a plethora of choice. I like Doctor Flotte which is a bit of a dive, but serves a great Schnitzel.
From F39, I like Die Eule in downtown Bochum. Of course, F39 you cannot leave and return (or they set a very restrictive time period like 30 minutes). I usually finish up by about 8PM and have dinner when finished with FKKing.
BTW, if visiting Acapulco, I would suggest you read BC and my trip reports. The club works for me as I have broad tastes. Didn't work for BC as the lineup did not meet visual requirements.Acapulco was included because it falls under the 'money well spent' catagory. Cheap to get into, looks to be a decent size club...but its also close to several other clubs that i've visited or would like to check out.
This might sound crazy but how are African American males viewed in Germany and is marijuana legal in Germany.
Marijuana is not legal in Germany. Someone probably has better information about rules governing posession and what amounts are allowed, what fines and penalties are but you are best off visiting the Netherlands if this is a motivating factor.
A friend of mine who is African American and lived in Germany for years enjoyed a special status while he was there. Germans have a thing for African American culture (contemporary R&B music, for one) and he was always very well treated. He has a weakness for German blondes and was able to pursue this interest to his hearts content. It helps a lot that he speaks fluent German and is quite a talker.
Africans from Africa though are placed in a different category.
Two colleagues I can think of on this forum are probably in a better position to fill you in on how black men are received: DJ For Money (I can't remember if this is one word or two) and Dark Vader (who is a major, major PT fiend).
Agreed that stereotypes are harmful but if you are well endowed and long lasting you would actually be a minor sensation at certain PTs.
Ekliges Lauern
04-23-09, 22:09
A friend of mine who is African American and lived in Germany for years enjoyed a special status while he was there. Germans have a thing for African American culture (contemporary R&B music, for one) and he was always very well treated. He has a weakness for German blondes and was able to pursue this interest to his hearts content. It helps a lot that he speaks fluent German and is quite a talker.
Jackyo is correct. Germans in general love black people. Some FKKs actually offer the black people free entry. F39 and Golden Time are two of them. A black man can pretty much pick up any German woman anytime.
Seriously, the truth is far more nuanced than portrayed.
The Germans are no worse than anyone else in the world as far as I can tell, but there are some issues. In the FKK world, there are some clubs that may turn you away. There are racists in Germany just as there are racists in the USA. Many of them are of an older generation and as such the problem is being addressed by them dying off of old age. Just like the US. I will say that I have perceived that the Germans strive to have a tolerant culture. I also sense that there is an undertone that this is done somewhat to atone for what transpired around the middle of the last century.
The other side of the coin is the skinheads or neo-nazis. While not large in numbers, they do exist. Last time I ran into skinheads in Germany was 2002. I was walking with a female friend in downtown Nuremburg. We are both white and by our appearance and dress could easily have been mistaken for a middle aged German couple. We were both students in the Goethe Institut at the time and were speaking in English to each other. As we walked down the street, a group of male voices start swearing at us in German. I turned to swear back (in German of course). She grabbed me and said "let it go, keep walking". It was then that I realized it was a group of skinheads. One even had a swastika tattooed on his forehead. Back then, my impression was you were more likely to encounter skinheads in the former DDR. I haven't encountered a skinhead since.
I was curious if the movement had pretty much died out so I googled "Germany skinhead 2009". I found there was a demonstration in Dresden of 6000 neo-nazi, skinheads, and othe anti-immigrant folks on the 64th anniversary of the firebombing of Dresden. I don't think these folks are likely to be overly friendly.
It's possible you could go to Germany and never encounter any of this. Just like a middle easterner could come to the US and never encounter any racial issues.
As far as German fluency, those that hate you for race really aren't going to be swayed by whether you get der/die/das right.
I frankly see more racism in this forum than I encounter in when traveling in Germany. Try searching the Germany FKK forum for "Turk" or "foreigner" some time.
Tomm Boyytoyy
04-24-09, 19:17
Which FKK's allow shower facilities where you can bathe with the girl?
Do the rooms that you go to have bedsheets that are changed between sessions? Concerned about hygiene.
Do the girls brush their teeth and clean out their mouth and do they shower between sessions?
Seems a bit icky, and curious about cleanliness as they switch from monger to monger.
Tom
Basketcase
04-25-09, 11:53
i find it hard to recuperate inbetween sessions.
what can you take to help speed up the sperm production?
any good supplements?
vitamins?
hi stakeout,
to recuperate between sessions, i at times take a nap, have some food and as many drinks as my body says it wants. i also go for a sauna, cold shower, steam room, whirl pool, take a dip in the swimming pool if the facilities allow. then more drinks and chats with companions. this is done to use up time between sessions and is also a relaxing ritual. by the time all this is done i am nearly ready for another session. a few girls have commented to me that taking time is the way to refill the sperm fluid banks before another session.
one of my fave girls has refused me once before since it was only 1.5 hours since i did her last and she was not going to do me again until say 2-3 hours had passed since our last session. most girls do not care how long ago your last session was.
a friendly ijsbeer i know said he went with one pretty brunette croatian girl that i also had the hots for.
he was asked by the croatian girl, "how many sessions have you had before me?"
the ijsbeer said that, "i have been with four girls already today at golden time before you."
the girl replied loudly, "fuck, now i have to work!".
what i do of taking time between sessions is not based on any scientific advice but time seems to work for me.
it is best that you consult your general practitioner or go to a specialist in penis matters for the best advice.
Basketcase
04-25-09, 12:28
Which FKK's allow shower facilities where you can bathe with the girl?
Do the rooms that you go to have bedsheets that are changed between sessions? Concerned about hygiene.
Do the girls brush their teeth and clean out their mouth and do they shower between sessions?
Seems a bit icky, and curious about cleanliness as they switch from monger to monger.
Tom
Hi Tomm Boyytoyy,
I am not sure if your first question is aimed at being able to have an assisted shower with a girl or you like the voyeuristic aspect of watching girls bathing.
In some FKKs there are shower facilities that are communal and mean that the men folk are able to shower with the girls at time.
FKK World has locker rooms where some of the ladies lockers are shared with the men’s lockers. The girls do have their own shower room at World but that is on the other side of the building away from the locker room where the men change and shower in. So to save the trip to the other side of the building some girls will shower in the men’s locker room showers. There you can see a naked girl getting scrubbed up but most men just mind their own business and let the woman be rather than stand their open mouthed and ogling.
In the end if you are really insistent on being able to bathe with women you might ask to pay some girls to come shower with you.
At Sauna club Golden Time, once again, the locker room is shared with some of the girls. You will see at times the girls showering alongside the men. The girls also sometimes at the end of the evening in the showers in the sauna and whirlpool area as those showers are closer to the ladies’ main locker rooms.
A write up of an incident where I showered with a girl at Golden Time is described in the attached link:
Golden Time 871780
If you want a specific girl to shower with you then it may help if you ask her if she minded doing so.
The clubs that I know that use fresh bed sheets for each session is FKK Palace, Villa Vertigo and Golden Time.
Girls are meant to bathe in between sessions but the extent that they do depends. A girl would have spent a lot of time putting on make up on her face and moisturizing. For girls to be showering constantly and thoroughly, will remove the benefits of that moisturizing, and there would be an adverse impact on her make up and not to mention her hair. Expect most girls to bathe in between sessions but not whole body I think.
As to the girls brushing their teeth in between session is a bit much to ask. Too much tooth brushing grinds down and ruins the enamel. Expect at least the girls to use mouth wash after each session and you can even see girls use a mouth wash during but mainly after a session if she has been kissing you or been sucking your schwanz to completion.
Hi Tomm Boyytoyy,
As to the girls brushing their teeth in between session is a bit much to ask. Too much tooth brushing grinds down and ruins the enamel. Expect at least the girls to use mouth wash after each session and you can even see girls use a mouth wash during but mainly after a session if she has been kissing you or been sucking your schwanz to completion.
Hello BC, see you soon, can't wait.
Brushing the teeth can be very dangerous to girls who are taking loads of semen into their mouths. Bleeding gums, which most of us acquire to varying degrees after brushing, is an ideal portal for entry of HIV and Hepatitis C. I always refrain from brushing at the clubs ( not that I am taking semen LOL) , instead using Listerine mouthwash after a vigorous water rinse after meals, and at any time during the day I consume massive quantities of Listerine Pocket Packs, the Listerine impregnated gelatin wisps that dissolve instantly in your mouth, killing germs and freshening one's breath. Many is the girl who has appropriated my entire Pocket Pack when offerred one before a session.
Sadly, I have yet to find a girl who will allow me to place one on my tongue and then lick her muschi.
Which FKK's allow shower facilities where you can bathe with the girl?
Some of the rooms upstairs at Villa Vertigo have en-suite showers. If that's your thing, I'm pretty sure that you could ask for some shower play to be included.
While not an FKK, TraumParadise in Spich has en-suite showers in all of its rooms and the action actually can start during your pre-session shower.
Tomm Boyytoyy
04-25-09, 21:04
Interesting. Is Traum Paradise reviewed on this board? I searched but could not find it. They have some nice girls, but the pricing is not mentioned. They only mention no entrance fee, but does not say the price of the session, perhaps that's where they really get you.
1) Any idea on session pricing
2) Any reviews or knowledge on whether the info on their site and pics are factually correct.
Thanks Iseeu for your excellent replies as always.
Tom
[While not an FKK, TraumParadise in Spich has en-suite showers in all of its rooms and the action actually can start during your pre-session shower.[/QUOTE]
Which FKK's allow shower facilities where you can bathe with the girl?
Some of the rooms upstairs at FKK Atlantik in Hanau have en-suite showers. Just be aware that this forum rarely speaks favorably of this club.
Do the shower facilities need to be in private rooms? I think many girls would not mind taking a shower in the men's shower facilities. Just ask. Also, many clubs provide shower facilites with semi-privacy (on quiet days that is), like
- Palace: The shower outside the steamroom. There is also another outside the sauna.
- World: The shower behind the jacuzzi downstairs.
- Bernd's: The downstairs showers.
- Oase: The showers by the steamroom.
All places mentioned above provide good places for hygienic purposes, foreplay and fooling around. If she will actually do the deed there too is an open question. But if that is your thing, simply ask the girl.
Is jacuzzi off-topic? If not, Bernd's and FKK Atlantik do have private rooms with jacuzzi. I think maybe World too?
Tomm Boyytoyy
To find reviews on Traum Paradies go to the Cologne thread.
Theres loads of info. I did a visit soley based on the info I read on this site.
Z
Ekliges Lauern
04-26-09, 19:04
Which FKK's allow shower facilities where you can bathe with the girl?
Do the rooms that you go to have bedsheets that are changed between sessions? Concerned about hygiene.
Do the girls brush their teeth and clean out their mouth and do they shower between sessions?
Seems a bit icky, and curious about cleanliness as they switch from monger to monger.
Tom
ColA has shower facilities in the rooms as I remember.
Each room at Palace has a drawer with fresh sheets. The girls put them on the bed before the session. Most other clubs use towels for basic bed hygiene.
Some of the rooms upstairs at Villa Vertigo have en-suite showers. If that's your thing, I'm pretty sure that you could ask for some shower play to be included.
While not an FKK, TraumParadise in Spich has en-suite showers in all of its rooms and the action actually can start during your pre-session shower.
Personnally I had a bath with Yvonne (she does not work any more) in a bathtube at Villa Vertigo.
But I'm afraid that in general, without extras, the proposal should come from the ladies.
Ekliges Lauern
04-26-09, 19:35
This forum has served (and still serves) to funnel folks to a handful of clubs.
Should we all just tow the party line and urge dudes to visit just this handful of clubs?
Geography funnels folks to a handful of clubs. It certainly funnels newbees to Palace. Frankfurt is the international transportation hub of Germany. Yes, Dusseldorf and Munich are lesser hubs, but for many (myself included), Frankfurt is the most convenient entry point into Germany. You can exit Frankfurt customs and get to Palace, change, shower and be talking to nude cuties in under an hour. You don't need to worry about German as you can navigate Frankfurt public transport easily with no knowledge of German. It is likely to be at least 50% of newbees first port of call for that reason alone.
I actually suggest we ask newbees what is important to them and offer advise based on that. Be aware many non-German speakers are not comfortable driving on the autobahn and finding their way around Germany.
IMHO, this is a disservice to consumers, particularly to newbies who have limited comparisons to go by.
I don't see why. There is plenty written about the advantages and disadvantages of the various clubs.
In the end, it is still caveat emptor. Take everything you read here with a grain of salt.
Maybe we should all be publishing disclaimers after each post proclaiming "The views expressed herein represent personal opinions."
And for some, a salt lick rather than a grain might be in order.
Rather than a disclaimer, if you could let us know in your posts which of your opinions are based on recent, first hand opinion, and which are based on second hand (other forums, someone told me, etc.) or outdated (e.g.: five years old), it would go a long way in preventing misunderstandings.
After three years of posting and almost 3,000 posts, I've seen and participated in just about any imaginable discussion you can have on this topic. After years of plugging the NRW clubs, I have yet to receive a check from the NRW tourism bureau.
Quantity != quality.
Not sure why you feel the need to "plug" clubs. It distorts the value of any information if you have an interest in promotion. I prefer poster that just report their perceptions. You may disagree, but at least there motives are honest (sharing information).
What have we not discussed yet? Sex with midgets? Wrestling with a chick and having sex with her?
Why?
If you stick to what you know, rather than trying to insert yourself into every conversation, your contributions to the board would be more valuable.
Geography funnels folks to a handful of clubs. It certainly funnels newbees to Palace. Frankfurt is the international transportation hub of Germany. Yes, Dusseldorf and Munich are lesser hubs, but for many (myself included), Frankfurt is the most convenient entry point into Germany. You can exit Frankfurt customs and get to Palace, change, shower and be talking to nude cuties in under an hour. You don't need to worry about German as you can navigate Frankfurt public transport easily with no knowledge of German. It is likely to be at least 50% of newbees first port of call for that reason alone.
I actually suggest we ask newbees what is important to them and offer advise based on that. Be aware many non-German speakers are not comfortable driving on the autobahn and finding their way around Germany.
I don't see why. There is plenty written about the advantages and disadvantages of the various clubs.
And for some, a salt lick rather than a grain might be in order.
Rather than a disclaimer, if you could let us know in your posts which of your opinions are based on recent, first hand opinion, and which are based on second hand (other forums, someone told me, etc.) or outdated (e.g.: five years old), it would go a long way in preventing misunderstandings.
Quantity != quality.
Not sure why you feel the need to "plug" clubs. It distorts the value of any information if you have an interest in promotion. I prefer poster that just report their perceptions. You may disagree, but at least there motives are honest (sharing information).
Why?
If you stick to what you know, rather than trying to insert yourself into every conversation, your contributions to the board would be more valuable.
Dude,
I've given you the "ignore" option several times but apparently you can't stop reading what I write. This makes no sense at all.
It looks to me like you are looking for my approval. What for? Why should you care what I think? I would go into an amateur psychologist mode at this point but I won't.
This adversarial thing is a waste of time.
And apparently you've gone to the George W. Bush School of Diplomacy and taken up the motto: "If you aren't with me, you are against me." Leave folks alone who are simply expressing opinions which don't coincide with yours.
I have been extremely meticulous in detailing which reports I've read elsewhere, which experiences are directly mine. When I've translated material I've noted who wrote it, where it came from and then I do my thing. I've never claimed to be the origin of such material.
My credentials are well established and my points of view are clear. The distilled version of all of this experience I've boiled down for folks several times. There is no need to repeat them here.
Visiting clubs I've put on a list of 'no-go" clubs doesn't make sense. What purpose would that serve? I am not disparaging clubs and then sneaking into them.
Will I go back to the Hessen clubs one day? Yes. It would take a special set of circumstances for me to do that but it is not unthinkable.
I've had negative impressions of clubs before and changed my mind about them: Wildenrath and Heavensgate, z. B.
If you've been at this long enough you can enter a club, sniff the air and say a) definitely will be back, b) not coming back ever, c) may have just been a bad day but will return to check it out again.
You've done this yourself and then declared: "Bernds sucks! Babylon sucks!"
Go do your own thing and I'll do mine.
Yes, I do prefer quality to quantity, hence my preference for certain clubs over the mainstream clubs visited here.
Which FKK's allow shower facilities where you can bathe with the girl?
Tom
Hey Tomm,
If you want to indulge in a private shower experience with a girl (or two), then you might want to try out Golden Time. At least two of the rooms there have shower facilities (one even has a sauna). Just tell the gal of your choice what you have in mind and she will get the key to those rooms.
Off hand, that is the only club I can think of with such a possibility.
Taking a shower with a girl in one of the more public areas of a club is no problem. I've seen Regi do it many times with Gents at GT, and I myself have gone wet and wild at World a few times using the shower downstairs across from the WC near the downstairs rooms.
After Beffen and I heard that fat slob take a leak in the showers by the sauna at Oase, the idea of doing something there has sorta lost its thrill.
Cheers,
Dedalus
After Beffen and I heard that fat slob take a leak in the showers by the sauna at Oase, the idea of doing something there has sorta lost its thrill.
"Leak" is the least of your worries...some drunk left a "milky way bar" behind after the toilet was occupied for a bit longer than he could handle....this at a club that shall remain nameless.
Ekliges Lauern
04-28-09, 01:48
After Beffen and I heard that fat slob take a leak in the showers by the sauna at Oase, the idea of doing something there has sorta lost its thrill.
What is it with public showers that make some want to start taking a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140)? I was in GT about a month ago and a guy two nozzles down starts draining the lizard right there in the shower. He was neither fat nor middle eastern, but looked like an average German or Dutch guy in his 30s. I was tempted to report this to the desk, but he dressed and left.
I also notice at Acapulco they have no pissing in the shower signs prominently displayed. What kind of moron needs a sign to know this is not acceptable behavior.
Other weird thing I noticed at GT. A guy in the shower had a tramp stamp tattoo. I wonder just what the hell he was thinking when he got that tattoo. Seems like any reputable tattoo parlor would have explained to him why it was not a good idea for a guy to get one.
Ekliges Lauern
04-28-09, 02:16
Dude,
I've given you the "ignore" option several times but apparently you can't stop reading what I write. This makes no sense at all.
It looks to me like you are looking for my approval. What for? Why should you care what I think? I would go into an amateur psychologist mode at this point but I won't.
This adversarial thing is a waste of time.
And apparently you've gone to the George W. Bush School of Diplomacy and taken up the motto: "If you aren't with me, you are against me." Leave folks alone who are simply expressing opinions which don't coincide with yours.
I have been extremely meticulous in detailing which reports I've read elsewhere, which experiences are directly mine. When I've translated material I've noted who wrote it, where it came from and then I do my thing. I've never claimed to be the origin of such material.
My credentials are well established and my points of view are clear. The distilled version of all of this experience I've boiled down for folks several times. There is no need to repeat them here.
Visiting clubs I've put on a list of 'no-go" clubs doesn't make sense. What purpose would that serve? I am not disparaging clubs and then sneaking into them.
Will I go back to the Hessen clubs one day? Yes. It would take a special set of circumstances for me to do that but it is not unthinkable.
I've had negative impressions of clubs before and changed my mind about them: Wildenrath and Heavensgate, z. B.
If you've been at this long enough you can enter a club, sniff the air and say a) definitely will be back, b) not coming back ever, c) may have just been a bad day but will return to check it out again.
You've done this yourself and then declared: "Bernds sucks! Babylon sucks!"
Go do your own thing and I'll do mine.
Yes, I do prefer quality to quantity, hence my preference for certain clubs over the mainstream clubs visited here.
Feel free to ignore me if my posts bother you so much.
I'm going to keep posting to correct when you spread misinformation. So, in no particular order:
1) "It looks to me like you are looking for my approval."
In your dreams. If you want to use this forums as marketing for clubs you like and spreading misinformation about those you don't like, I'm going to post corrections to your misinformation. If you think that is seeking approval, I worry about your mental state. The word delusional comes to mind.
2) "My credentials are well established and my points of view are clear."
Well, I think your credibility is questionable to say the least. A number of your statements about the Topclubs have been thoroughly debunked.
You've also stated that you post to promote certain clubs. As most of us post in order to honestly and openly share information to hopefully benefit each other, your ceaseless marketing destroys your credibility.
3) "You've done this yourself and then declared: "Bernds sucks! Babylon sucks!""
Classic strawman argument. I've never used the word "sucks" with either establishment. I've visited both and I just think there are better options out there. I have stated I think the women at Bernds are older and on average less attractive than their sisters at the Topclubs. I've also stated the same thing about F39 and Acapulco, both clubs which I rather like. Not sure why that gets some of the Bernds fan club so riled up.
Everything is relative. I would probably visit Bernds and Babylon, but only if Oase, Palace, World, GT, Happy Garden, F39, Acapulco and VV were all closed.
4) "If you've been at this long enough you can enter a club, sniff the air and say a) definitely will be back, b) not coming back ever, c) may have just been a bad day but will return to check it out again."
Sure you can. And if you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you.
Perhaps if you are guided by your preconceived notions, but in that case, why bother visiting at all.
For me, a new club is like a woman, it takes time to discover all her charms (and shortcomings). It is the women, not the air, that determines if I will return. Takes at least a couple of hours to get a sense of the line-up.
5) "Yes, I do prefer quality to quantity, hence my preference for certain clubs over the mainstream clubs visited here."
Your posting history disputes that. Perhaps if you focused on the quality of your posts, and perhaps posted a review once in a while, I would not be questioning the quality of your posts.
Regards,
EL
Which FKK's allow shower facilities where you can bathe with the girl?
Do the rooms that you go to have bedsheets that are changed between sessions? Concerned about hygiene.
Do the girls brush their teeth and clean out their mouth and do they shower between sessions?
Seems a bit icky, and curious about cleanliness as they switch from monger to monger.
Tom
Traum Paradise will fit your needs for both hygiene and showers. A second choice for showers in Yin Yang.
Feel free to ignore me if my posts bother you so much.With all due respect, EL, it seems that you might be the one who would benefit from utilizing the "ignore" button. I don't recall anyone else being disturbed by what Jackyo contributes. On the contrary. :-)
I am planning a visit to an FKK club in the next few days.
What impact do you think the current global issue of swine flu will have on the FKK scene?
Naturally it all depends on how things develop the next few days (and weeks), how many people are affected, and in what countries - even though containment is impossible with the global mobility of today's world.
Do you think girls will refuse DFK this weekend? Would you avoid DFK?
... can we all just concentrate on writing reports? It's Ok to say "I don't like this place, because ...". And it's just as fine if another poster chimes in saying they like the very same place. What gets tiresome is the continued arguing about it. It is great that we like different things; otherwise we'd all be standing in line at the same club, waiting to hump the same women. :( Let's just keep the reports coming, with all of their positive and negative points, and let's leave it at that.
thanks in advance
euro
Basketcase
04-28-09, 20:10
what is it with public showers that make some want to start taking a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140)? i was in gt about a month ago and a guy two nozzles down starts draining the lizard right there in the shower. he was neither fat nor middle eastern, but looked like an average german or dutch guy in his 30s. i was tempted to report this to the desk, but he dressed and left.
i also notice at acapulco they have no pissing in the shower signs prominently displayed. what kind of moron needs a sign to know this is not acceptable behavior.
i guess people are lazy and think that the running water washes the [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) away. then again hearing about some guys getting a kick out of pissing on girls or having girls [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on them makes you wonder if they are getting a thrill by [CodeWord112] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112) in public so that others can see them. it does seem in off shoot or an extension of all the public sex that goes on in sauna clubs and fkks.
yes, this prerogative to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in the shower is not exclusive to any one body type or racial origin.
thank you for reminding us about the no pissing in the shower signs in acapulco. it does seems [CodeWord112] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112) in the showers is an issue at acapulco hence explaining the need for clear signage and even a picture showing that [CodeWord112] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112) in the shower is verboten.
other weird thing i noticed at gt. a guy in the shower had a tramp stamp tattoo. i wonder just what the hell he was thinking when he got that tattoo. seems like any reputable tattoo parlor would have explained to him why it was not a good idea for a guy to get one.
my understanding is that arse antlers or tramp stamps with regard to men are for when you are an openly gay male and want one. fwiw, some myths abound that tramp stamps for women indicate that the women have a willingness to perform anal sex or at least have a preference for doggie style. maybe he was bi-sexual or was on holiday down in ibiza and thought it was a good idea at 03:00 in the morning before catching the sunrise on the terrace at one of the super clubs. maybe he spent some time in the pokie in a us state prison sharing a cell with a man called bubba. generally a non-bisexual male will only have tattoos on their lower back if they have an entire back piece that extends all the way down. ymmv.
Westbam here, new to the board, wondering if any of the fellow board members have had any experience with TerminGirls.
I am heading to Naples in a month or so but passing through Dusseldorf, I have a 5 hour transit and TerminGirls is very close by, so was thinking to pay it a visit. The girls look stunning can anyone vouche for the authenticity of what is displayed on the website.
The cost is steep I guess, they say that the service is safe but do you think these girls are checked out they apparently change girls each week, if I called the club would they be able to tell me that the girl has been checked out before she started that week. The price includes BBBJ but I would still go for a CBJ just that there is a lot of nasties you can pick up from BBBJ.
Any thoughts guys
Cheers
Ekliges Lauern
04-29-09, 00:55
With all due respect, EL, it seems that you might be the one who would benefit from utilizing the "ignore" button. I don't recall anyone else being disturbed by what Jackyo contributes. On the contrary. :-)
Toscana,
Thank you for your opinion. Now here is mine.
If you find my posts annoying, by all means, feel free to ignore me. The choice is yours. And the obligation is yours. As long as I abide by the forum rules, I cannot be responsible for how you perceive my posts.
I don't feel it is appropriate for you to suggest I should not continue to post, any more than I would suggest Jackyo should not post.
If he wishes to post in a repetitive manner plugging the clubs he likes and disparaging other clubs and forum members that like them, you should not be surprised if I reply in an equally repetitve manner.
Thanks again for your opinion. I will give your suggestions all the consideration they deserves.
Best regards,
EL
Toscana,
Thank you for your opinion. Now here is mine.
If you find my posts annoying, by all means, feel free to ignore me. The choice is yours. And the obligation is yours. As long as I abide by the forum rules, I cannot be responsible for how you perceive my posts.
I don't feel it is appropriate for you to suggest I should not continue to post, any more than I would suggest Jackyo should not post.
If he wishes to post in a repetitive manner plugging the clubs he likes and disparaging other clubs and forum members that like them, you should not be surprised if I reply in an equally repetitve manner.
Thanks again for your opinion. I will give your suggestions all the consideration they deserves.
Best regards,
EL
You have every right to post about whatever club you want, and you are entitled to your opinions. However, you do not have the right to disparage another member or his post. Capiche?
Toscana,
Thank you for your opinion. Now here is mine.
I don't feel it is appropriate for you to suggest I should not continue to post, any more than I would suggest Jackyo should not post.
Thanks again for your opinion. I will give your suggestions all the consideration they deserves.
Best regards,
EL
Dear EL,
Please read carefully. Toscana does not encourage you not to post! Clearly he will not do that. It just seems you have some problem with all the comments of Jackyo (Hessen is for tourist, PHG is bad I was refused there 3 years ago, only Babylon and BN and some other small clubs are good, his quoting of info from other fora and him always trying to impress with a limited knowledge of the German language).
There is an ignore buttom you can use! That is all what Toscana proposes.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/profile.php?do=editlist
I would not propose that actually! Your reaction on J's writing shows some sharpness and intelligence, for me it is in line with "the rules of conduct" although I am not aware of those rules.
Also I have no problems with the reaction of Jackyo. There seems to be a controversy, so what? As long as both members react in a gentleman way (I think they both do) I have no problems with that. Both your reactions and those of Jackyo, I do not consider to be personal attacks.
Why should wel all have the same opinion on this forum?
Kind regards,
Big30
Ekliges Lauern
04-29-09, 01:48
You have every right to post about whatever club you want, and you are entitled to your opinions. However, you do not have the right to disparage another member or his post. Capiche?
Well, I could reasonably argue that I and my posts have been disparaged. But I won't. It's easy to start yelling "Personal Attack!" when someone disagrees with you if you think the sheer act of disagreeing is a personal attack. But it's not very mature.
I think some forum members confuse legitimate disagreements with disparaging and personal attacks.
Capiche?
Ekliges Lauern
04-29-09, 02:05
Dear EL,
Please read carefully. Toscana does not encourage you not to post! Clearly he will not do that. It just seems you have some problem with all the comments of Jackyo (Hessen is for tourist, PHG is bad I was refused there 3 years ago, only Babylon and BN and some other small clubs are good, his quoting of info from other fora and him always trying to impress with a limited knowledge of the German language).
There is an ignore buttom you can use! That is all what Toscana proposes.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/profile.php?do=editlist
I would not propose that actually! Your reaction on J's writing shows some sharpness and intelligence, for me it is in line with "the rules of conduct" although I am not aware of those rules.
Also I have no problems with the reaction of Jackyo. There seems to be a controversy, so what? As long as both members react in a gentleman way (I think they both do) I have no problems with that.
Why should wel all have the same opinion on this forum?
Kind regards,
Big30
Dear Big30,
Thank you for your post.
By stating I should ignore Jackyo's posts, he is stating he doesn't want me to post responses to Jackyo. I can somewhat understand his position as my posts are repetitive, but the posts I am replying to are repetitive as well. I can certainly sympathize as I find repetitive posting annoying. But at the end of the day, I cannot be responsible for what other users find annoying. This is why we all have the ignore button at our disposal. We can each take control of what we read using the ignore button. Your choice. My choice.
The reason I post repetitive responses to Jackyo's repetitve posts, is I am concerned about the "big lie" effect. The "big lie" effect is when misinformation is repeated so often that it begins to be perceived as true. This is a classic propoganda technique.
BTW, I thought you accurately summed up his posts (Hessen is for tourist, PHG is bad I was refused there 3 years ago, only Babylon and BN and some other small clubs are good, his quoting of info from other fora and him always trying to impress with a limited knowledge of the German language). Only addition I would make is when I spent some time reading RF, it appeared that he misrepresented what was being posted on other fora to prove his point. All back to the "big lie" propoganda technique.
Thanks again for your point of view. I hope you appreciate mine as well.
Regards,
EL
Yes, this prerogative to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in the shower is not exclusive to any one body type or racial origin.
Hey BC,
Obviously not. However on that night in Oase the man in question WAS fat and only a slob would be so tasteless. As to his racial origin, I could not say and don't really care.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Westbam here, new to the board, wondering if any of the fellow board members have had any experience with TerminGirls.
I am heading to Naples in a month or so but passing through Dusseldorf, I have a 5 hour transit and TerminGirls is very close by, so was thinking to pay it a visit. The girls look stunning can anyone vouche for the authenticity of what is displayed on the website.
The cost is steep I guess, they say that the service is safe but do you think these girls are checked out they apparently change girls each week, if I called the club would they be able to tell me that the girl has been checked out before she started that week. The price includes BBBJ but I would still go for a CBJ just that there is a lot of nasties you can pick up from BBBJ.
Any thoughts guys
Cheers
Hello WB,
I wrote a little about Termingirls a while back:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=853095&postcount=3756
Cheers,
Dedalus
Well, I could reasonably argue that I and my posts have been disparaged. But I won't. It's easy to start yelling "Personal Attack!" when someone disagrees with you if you think the sheer act of disagreeing is a personal attack. But it's not very mature.
I think some forum members confuse legitimate disagreements with disparaging and personal attacks.
Capiche?
I think that you are confusing legitimate disagreements with personal attacks. Calling someone a "petty, pretentious ass" as you did on the Other FKK clubs thread is uncivil and has no place here, no matter how much you disagree with him or he's riled you up by his most recent response. That's a personal attack and is not part and parcel of legitimate disagreement.
This is supposed to be fun. This forum is for the sharing of info so that we can enhance our experiences. We should embrace the disparate views of our mongering colleagues and glean from them the info that we find valuable, while at the same time discarding the chaff, the data which is tainted by personal taste and preferences.
Everyone has a perfect right to post any opinion that is relevant to the purpose of the thread, even if it does not agree with your own. You and I have had a heated discussion and recurring debate on some of the threads here for awhile. I have found some of your views to be incorrect, indefensible, overly opinionated and unfair and I am sure that you feel the same way about mine. That's fine, that's Ok, that's what makes it interesting here. Occasionally, you'll make a point that may change my previous opinion about something. Hopefully, I make some points that you can agree with.
That's what the forum is for and makes the info available here valuable and believable to some extent. We know that it's not coming from the club proprietors or someone else with a vested interest. And we get to see both sides of the coin, which helps us to make more educated decisions.
Colors of the rainbow. It's only a combination of all of them that distills into perfect white. We should acknowledge and embrace the diversity amongst the forum members, respecting them for their alternative thinking and disparate preferences. Some times those opinions don't mesh with mine, but they still deserve a relevant and respectful reply.
Let's agree to disagree, have fun and keep it civil. Sadly, some of us forget this at times.
I am planning a visit to an FKK club in the next few days.
What impact do you think the current global issue of swine flu will have on the FKK scene?
If the last Bird-Flu scare is anything to go by, then absolutely nothing. The Girls are generally not squemish or they would not do the job. Despite all the risks, you will find girls who will remain in the job no matter what. I do not think that German authorities will take action as they do not seem to go with the "nanny state" idea as much as other countries.
Naturally it all depends on how things develop the next few days (and weeks), how many people are affected, and in what countries - even though containment is impossible with the global mobility of today's world.
Do you think girls will refuse DFK this weekend? Would you avoid DFK?
The short answer is no. Like all risks you have to take thngs in perspective. You must take into account the following things...
1) MEDIA: The Media make things worse as they have to "sell" news and threats sell news. Therefore the reports will be made using language that gives bias to the threat rather than a balanced opinion. It is very important to the media to have a "current threat". Terrorism, Pandemic, White Slavery (human trafficing, specifically of your daughter) Polar Ice Caps melting down, Neuclear Oblivion, Ice Age coming, then all back round again in circles. Ref: www.disinformation.com / Russ Kick's "You Are Being Lied To". All these threats are real, but the timing and language are all timed to keep one scare or the other fresh in the public mind, even though any individual is very unlikely to suffer ill effect from these threats.
2) INFECTION RATES: Of all the Swine Flu cases in Mexico as of yesterday, only 7 are confirmed to be swine-flu virus this year. All flu deaths are reported as "suspected cases" . Other reports are wrong. Look out for the language they are reported in and you will often see the word "suspected" or "Possible". Often you will just get a straight forward wrong answer.
3) RELATIVE INFECTION RATES: There are 36000 Flu related deaths in the USA every year. ref: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2240054/posts. The vast majority are not connected to strains of animal / human hybrids. IF you are worried about Swine Flu then you should be still be worried about Bird Flu, which is currently killing more than Swine Flu, but has not materialised into a pandemic yet. ref: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1879339,00.html
4) DEATH RATES: Many of the people with Swine Flu who are fit, healthy and in a 1st World Country will not die of Swine flu, should they contract it. Often they will think it is ordinary flu and get over it like any other flu. The danger is they will pass it on and because of its combination with an animal flu will travel more agressively because it is a strain your immune system knows nothing about. To balance this Article, this is an article by Robert Webster who has warned that doomsday might be coming. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Webster and here is a counter-argument: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/04/29/Swine-Flu.aspx
5) INFECTION RATES: The masks are really amusing. Although a sneeze can send a virus ten meters, the viral load of the air is unlikely to affect you. Your immune system needs to be overwhelmed. There could be some benefit, if you are infectious and in a railway carriage of car with somebody. It will not stop you getting infection from anybody else. The most common method of transferral is by skin touch (shaking hands, touching a handle or desk of an onfected person). Wash your hands, use a tissue, clean your surfaces, don't bother to wear a mask. This is of importance when you ask about DFK. I think you can safely say when you are having sex with someone, the kiss will not make matters any worse.
Finally, you can have sex with someone who is carrying flu (or plague or anything) and not contract it. Its all about how your immune system responds.
p.s. If I die of Swine Flu, then I take all this back. Over to you Beffen!
Your response to my post 3889 was polite, for which thanks, but just for the record, Big30 got it completely right, and you indeed got it wrong.
I never said that I find your posts annoying.
I never said that I do not want you to post responses to Jackyo.
Please do me the courtesy of reading my post 3889 again. I thought carefully about what I wrote.
I do say that I find, after a bit of searching, that you seem to be the only person to object to Jackyo's posts. Quite a few forum colleagues have in contrast thanked him for his points. It can happen that he irritates you (I by no means agree with everything he says, but we seem to rub along fine, all is OK). I therefore suggested that you might find it more profitable (for all of us?), if you, who clearly are disturbed by his posts, simply ignore them.
I have buttoned a couple of posters who annoy me, and you know, it works. :-) (But I would add that I wouldn't dream - based on my judgement of your respective contributions - of buttoning either you or Jackyo.)
Basketcase (sorry, I can't be bothered to switch threads),
to bring it back to the Mädels, who is that beautiful, long straight-haired, slim blonde with A/B breasts at most (a straight 10 in my book) who hangs around with Timea and co. at the Hungarian couch at Oase? She bewitched me yesterday, but I ended up following a tip from Gitan, a forum colleague more famous on Youppie of course, to try Santina instead. A bit of input would be appreciated. Name would do. If I want more I'll revert to the Oase thread. Thanks.
Your response to my post 3889 was polite, for which thanks, but just for the record, Big30 got it completely right, and you indeed got it wrong.
I never said that I find your posts annoying.
I never said that I do not want you to post responses to Jackyo.
Please do me the courtesy of reading my post 3889 again. I thought carefully about what I wrote.
I do say that I find, after a bit of searching, that you seem to be the only person to object to Jackyo's posts. Quite a few forum colleagues have in contrast thanked him for his points. It can happen that he irritates you (I by no means agree with everything he says, but we seem to rub along fine, all is OK). I therefore suggested that you might find it more profitable (for all of us?), if you, who clearly are disturbed by his posts, simply ignore them.
I have buttoned a couple of posters that annoy me, and you know, it works. :-) (But I would add that I wouldn't dream - based on my judgement of your respective contributions - of buttoning either you or Jackyo.)
Hey, Big 30 seems to get alot of things right!
But, to the main discussion at hand, the EL vs JackyO crossfire, may I add a slightly different perspective?... I'll take that gap of silence as a "yes."
Let's not forget that the debate between EL and JackyO is a healthy, kind of katharsis (read forum enema, i.e. flushing of the rectal tube) type of discussion. It does call into question issues that should be at the forefront. It is Hardball, so to speak.
I for one get quite a kick out of reading the back and forth banter of two stalwart posters and quite eloquent posters in our presence. I am sure, deep down, neither one takes themselves that seriously. It is a game, a dance...and for me quite entertaining!
Did somebody call somebody else a "pretentious Ass?" Oh, good God, NO!!!! Come on, man, lol!!! That was fucking great!! Besides: That is not anything bad from where I come. Hell, one can conjur up much, much worse. In fact, I think both Jacky O and EL have conducted themselves like true gentlemen of the Debate, just passionate about their positions and perspectives to the last, each representing an opposite extreme of the FKK opinion specturm. Everything has been perfectly fine Cricket so far, so...
Long may the debate rage for the enlightment and entertainment of us all, I say. And keep those oratorial barbs flying! I'm loving it...
Sorry, I know my views are probably well left of centre...
Ortos
Sorry, I know my views are probably well left of centre...Hey leftie, fuck you, you're buttoned! LOL.
Hey leftie, fuck you, you're buttoned! LOL.Lol!! Now that's what's what I like! You're a passionate Devil, Tosc. I ain't buttoned, just stoned.
Post-script: I just noticed at the time of my post, I wrote Devil to Tosc. He has a posting number at this time as 666. I did not see this when the word "Devil" was typed. It just crossed my mind...weird!
Ekliges Lauern
05-01-09, 05:17
I'll take that gap of silence as a "yes."
Actually, I've to take a break to earn some money. Work pays for FKKs and other necessities of life. I have to give it priority on occassion.
I will reply in due course.
When is the last time any of you where refused BBBJ in an FKK club. I think it would be interesting to know since I am having a discussion with someone about this. For me the answer is never. How bout you guys?
Thanks
Tomm Boyytoyy
05-01-09, 19:31
Fellow Mongers,
I am visiting next wk for 5-6 days and the following is my plan:
Day 1 - Goldentime
Day 2 - Pussyclub
Day 3 - Trying to decide between FKK: Samya or VillaVertigo or PHG or LivingRoom
Day 4 - Trying to decide between PT: Dorsten, Selm, Beverly, Ceasars
Day 5 - Oase
Day 6 - Palace
Is FKK Dolce Vita in Dusseldorf worth it? (E80, E40, E40 scale for each service)?
Also, most importantly, pls weigh in with your recommendation for my Day 3 and Day 4. So confused with all the choices
(My criteria are young, fit, shapely girls. Lookers must. :-) Don't care about CIM, BB, anal, or anything experimental as everything covered due to disease risks. Also, low pref for Rumanians and Bulgarians based on service, so mostly avoidable except for the few gems once in a while. More keen on Hungarians, Czech, German, Italian, Latin American. Also, cleanliness and hygiene very high in consideration)
What would you do on day 3 and day 4 if you had these preferences?
Tx,
Tom
Day 1 - Goldentime
Day 2 - Pussyclub
Day 3 - Trying to decide between FKK: Samya or VillaVertigo or PHG or LivingRoom
Day 4 - Trying to decide between PT: Dorsten, Selm, Beverly, Ceasars
Day 5 - Oase
Day 6 - Palace
Is FKK Dolce Vita in Dusseldorf worth it? (E80, E40, E40 scale for each service)?
No, it's not worth the cheaper price. Nowhere near the quality of the other clubs on your list.
pls weigh in with your recommendation for my Day 3 and Day 4.
Day 3: I haven't been to VV or PHG recently, but based on your preferences you're probably better off at LR or Samya. If the weather is nice VV may be a better option because of the great outdoor decks and pool area.
Day 4: Depends on what day of the week it is. Both Beverly and Ceaser's are swinger clubs and usually weekends are better at these types of clubs. Caesar's is only open on weekends. Beverly can still be good on weekdays but YMMV. I would avoid Selm and Dorsten which have fallen on hard times. If you're in that area and determined to visit a PT on this day there are better options including Mettmann, Sara's in Iserlohn and Dolce Vita in Wagenfeld (although this is a trek to get to). Check out the PT thread for updated info.
Njoy..
Tomm Boyytoyy
05-02-09, 20:48
No, it's not worth the cheaper price. Nowhere near the quality of the other clubs on your list.
Day 3: I haven't been to VV or PHG recently, but based on your preferences you're probably better off at LR or Samya. If the weather is nice VV may be a better option because of the great outdoor decks and pool area.
Day 4: Depends on what day of the week it is. Both Beverly and Ceaser's are swinger clubs and usually weekends are better at these types of clubs. Caesar's is only open on weekends. Beverly can still be good on weekdays but YMMV. I would avoid Selm and Dorsten which have fallen on hard times. If you're in that area and determined to visit a PT on this day there are better options including Mettmann, Sara's in Iserlohn and Dolce Vita in Wagenfeld (although this is a trek to get to). Check out the PT thread for updated info.
Njoy..Thanks Iseeu for your fantastic info always.
OK, So I assume the girls at FKK Dolce Vita in Dusseldorf city suck (no pun intended) so will give that a skip based on what you said.
For Day 3, I still remain, confused.
Why Samya?
Why LR?
Why VV?
Not sure where to go still after reading your answer. I know they are all good, but for the best looking girls and for the best M: F ratio, which out of the three is a winner? Sorry, but 1 day is too precious LOL.
For Day 4, excellent info, and good to know current conditions. You recommend Mettmann instead. However, I was under the impression that the girls at Mettmann are mostly slightly out of shape, less than 7 or 8's in looks dept. And slighly older. (I only session girls aged below 35-40). Please share more on these items as far as Sara's and Mettmann goes. Also GangbangTeenies. Is it worth the trip there?
Thanks a million for all the help. It really helps plan. I hope to give good reports
Tom
Vito Corleone
05-03-09, 04:24
When is the last time any of you where refused BBBJ in an FKK club. I think it would be interesting to know since I am having a discussion with someone about this. For me the answer is never. How bout you guys?
Thanks
Never & I do not know anyone that has.
OK, So I assume the girls at FKK Dolce Vita in Dusseldorf city suck (no pun intended) so will give that a skip based on what you said.
For Day 3, I still remain, confused.
Why Samya?
Why LR?
Why VV?
Thanks a million for all the help. It really helps plan. I hope to give good reports
Tom
I was Saturday in the Villa and was this time impressed because a lot of new and attractive girls were present. If you visit the Villa best is to do so in the evening most girls arrive between 16-18 hr. BBQ season has opened in the Villa and it has great outdoor facilities.
Thursday April 30 I was at the party in PHG. About 40 girls, yes a lot of Rumanian but try to find a club where you will not find a lot of Rumanian girls! Also in Happy BBQ season has opened.
LR has a wellness area that is OK but no outdoor pool. VV and PHG no kino and LR has a kino. The line-up in LR will meet your criteria although also there you will find a lot of Rumanian girls!
Clubs are all 3 OK but different. What you prefer? Difficult so say!
I would not recommend Dolce Vita and Samya.
Regards,
Big30
Ekliges Lauern
05-04-09, 03:09
I think that you are confusing legitimate disagreements with personal attacks. Calling someone a "petty, pretentious ass" as you did on the Other FKK clubs thread is uncivil and has no place here, no matter how much you disagree with him or he's riled you up by his most recent response. That's a personal attack and is not part and parcel of legitimate disagreement.
ICU,
I stand by my statement in "Other FKK" thread. If your read the exchange regarding my der/die/das mistake on der Hase and the typo on Ostereier, a fair case could me made he was being petty. I also thought given the context, referring to him as pretentious ass was appropriate. I could have chosen stronger language such as "asshole" or "prick", but I settled on ass as I regarded it as more measured and appropriate. We should not shy away from calling a spade a spade. Hell, lots of forum members advocate telling the girls to fuck off for the most minor infractions. I don't see why calling Jackyo an ass when he is acting like one is inappropriate.
I think a case can be made that your outrage at personal attacks is somewhat selective. I don't remember you weighing in that the following post was inappropriate, even though he appeared to be expressing the desire that I should die via suffocation during masterbation.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=823439&postcount=3529
Not that I want to get into cateloging every insult to determine if it rises to the level of personal attack. I just think some consistency is required if you want the role of self appointed fourm police.
Regards,
EL
Jimmy Boy 99
05-04-09, 05:03
When is the last time any of you where refused BBBJ in an FKK club. I think it would be interesting to know since I am having a discussion with someone about this. For me the answer is never. How bout you guys?
Thanks
I was with Mehnet (or something like that name), a tall, 21 year-old brunette Turkish girl with a strking face, in Samya last week. I was taken aback when she put on a condom to start fellatio and asked her why. She said that it was not safe for her. I let it pass because I still wanted to fuck her because of her face. Additionally, she had only been in the business 3 weeks (according to her) so maybe she will change with more experience. Still, it was a good session, although I would have extended to an hour if she had done the BBBJ.
Tomm Boyytoyy
05-04-09, 13:34
In Las Vegas strip clubs, women come and sit on your lap, put their arm around you, try to charm you and carry on a conversation. You can fondle, cuddle, or just hold them while chatting for 5.10 minutes before deciding on whether you want a lap dance.
Does this hold true for FKK's and PT's? At FKK's do you have the opportunity to caress each others bodies (sans genitals) and talk without it tantamounting to commitment. Only if chemistry picks up in 10 mins then go further? Most reports seem to talk about chemistry building but does that happen as you are seated next to each other on a couch, or she is on your lap? Does her sitting on your lap mean that you have committed a session?
How about PT's where the girls want to move from one to the other since they are incentivized on volume. Do they typically take 10-15 minutes "flirting" before a session, with the expectation that the flirting may or may not lead to a session?
Sorry, but flirting is an intimate part of making the whole experience seamless for some of us. And flirting and having the ability to say no after 10 minutes if one senses a porkie that going to end in disaster anyways 30 mins later.
Tx,
Tom
Has anyone been to Termingirls, done a search nothing much recent on the threads regarding this place. I am thinking to visit as I have 5 and half hour transit at Dusseldorf and this place is near by the airport anyone have any views on this place
Thanks
Has anyone been to Termingirls, done a search nothing much recent on the threads regarding this place. I am thinking to visit as I have 5 and half hour transit at Dusseldorf and this place is near by the airport anyone have any views on this place
Thanks
Check the Duesseldorf section, where Dedalus reviewed the place a couple of months ago.
Ortos
Hessen Bub
05-05-09, 07:58
Sorry, but flirting is an intimate part of making the whole experience seamless for some of us. And flirting and having the ability to say no after 10 minutes if one senses a porkie that going to end in disaster anyways 30 mins later.
Sitting together flirting and talking - sure, and even after 10 min you can decide if you wanna take her to a room or not. But don't kiss her, don't let her take your dick into her mouth, don't let her kiss you, don't put your hands in places they shouldn't be. If that happens - you should book her.
HB
When is the last time any of you where refused BBBJ in an FKK club. I think it would be interesting to know since I am having a discussion with someone about this. For me the answer is never. How bout you guys?
Thanks
A lady friend of mine was of the opinion that BBBJ was illegal in Germany. She had been warned that the police sometimes go undercover asking girls for the said service then prosecute if it is offered. But this may have been a tactic to scare her off offering the service and reduce her popularity in the house.
Sitting together flirting and talking - sure, and even after 10 min you can decide if you wanna take her to a room or not. But don't kiss her, don't let her take your dick into her mouth, don't let her kiss you, don't put your hands in places they shouldn't be. If that happens - you should book her.
HB
Not true I am afraid. You can kiss, if she lets you. Then afterwards you can not book her and she will often take that in good humour. Worst case is she gets pissed off, but nothing she can do. (Did she initiate it?). You can touch (but normal polite / sociable rules do apply). It is best not to get too intimate with that as its something that can become intimately sexual... your judgement applies and your individual "cheekiness" i.e. do you have the personality to carry it off?
Once your dick is in her mouth, she gets the BBBJ fee at least (but in practicality the 50 is hers, you may as well fuck her). She is booked.
Hessen Bub
05-05-09, 11:41
Not true I am afraid. You can kiss, if she lets you. Then afterwards you can not book her and she will often take that in good humour. Worst case is she gets pissed off, but nothing she can do.
Not the way I am handling this in the last years. I don't think it's fair to kiss a girl on a couch and then not book her. If kissing is DFK or at least real kissing, I am not talking about a kiss on her cheek.
HB
I don't think it's fair to kiss a girl on a couch and then not book her.HB
Thats your preference and absolutely fine. Its nice to see that guests treat the girls with some respect.
My thoughts are though, that if she won't leave you alone, or if she forces it on you, wont take no for an answer, or you are a Stamguest and have an arrangement.... all these are fine.
However, no BJ or Sex = no contract is the main point I was trying to make.
Basketcase
05-05-09, 18:58
Theme: The premium for BBBJ versus CBJ
Once your dick is in her mouth, she gets the BBBJ fee at least (but in practicality the 50 is hers, you may as well fuck her). She is booked.
Thank you Mike De H for bringing this issue on the premium pricing in FKKs for BBBJ service.
My understanding, particularly in Hessen or Frankfurt that the Red Light District girls charge €30 for suck and fuck where the suck is covered with a condom.
In a FKK the suck and fuck is €50 standard session where the blowjob is uncovered.
This suggests that the implied margin or premium for BBBJ is €20.
So is this €20 is what you refer to as the "BBBJ fee". Ja?
Cheers,
In a FKK the suck and fuck is €50 standard session where the blowjob is uncovered.
This suggests that the implied margin or premium for BBBJ is €20.Remember there are quite a few smaller clubs outside the big three in Hessen and NRW where BBBJ is extra (usually EUR 25 plus). I've heard this is the case in Leipzig and Munich, and I know it is in Saarbrücken. Others for sure too.
I have been refused BBBJ in a couple of clubs (Artemis for example). I offered to clean my dick, and the answer was still "no". :-) :-) Girl's choice.
And then there's Bavaria....., where it is better to wait until you're in the room to discuss, and definitely to avoid speaking with a strong Bavarian polizeilichen accent.
Vito Corleone
05-06-09, 01:19
In Las Vegas strip clubs, women come and sit on your lap, put their arm around you, try to charm you and carry on a conversation. You can fondle, cuddle, or just hold them while chatting for 5.10 minutes before deciding on whether you want a lap dance.
Does this hold true for FKK's and PT's? At FKK's do you have the opportunity to caress each others bodies (sans genitals) and talk without it tantamounting to commitment. Only if chemistry picks up in 10 mins then go further? Most reports seem to talk about chemistry building but does that happen as you are seated next to each other on a couch, or she is on your lap? Does her sitting on your lap mean that you have committed a session?
How about PT's where the girls want to move from one to the other since they are incentivized on volume. Do they typically take 10-15 minutes "flirting" before a session, with the expectation that the flirting may or may not lead to a session?
Sorry, but flirting is an intimate part of making the whole experience seamless for some of us. And flirting and having the ability to say no after 10 minutes if one senses a porkie that going to end in disaster anyways 30 mins later.
Tx,
Tom
Flirting with a babe is fine just as long as you are clear before you head to the room that she does not charge you for the couch time.
Ekliges Lauern
05-06-09, 04:25
Your response to my post 3889 was polite, for which thanks, but just for the record, Big30 got it completely right, and you indeed got it wrong.
I never said that I find your posts annoying.
I never said that I do not want you to post responses to Jackyo.
Please do me the courtesy of reading my post 3889 again. I thought carefully about what I wrote.
I do say that I find, after a bit of searching, that you seem to be the only person to object to Jackyo's posts. Quite a few forum colleagues have in contrast thanked him for his points. It can happen that he irritates you (I by no means agree with everything he says, but we seem to rub along fine, all is OK). I therefore suggested that you might find it more profitable (for all of us?), if you, who clearly are disturbed by his posts, simply ignore them.
I have buttoned a couple of posters who annoy me, and you know, it works. :-) (But I would add that I wouldn't dream - based on my judgement of your respective contributions - of buttoning either you or Jackyo.)
Thank you for your reply.
Everyone is entitled to his opinion. You have stated yours, now here is mine.
I reread you original post as well as this one. I'd like to clear up some misconceptions. First of all, Jackyo's posts do not disturb me. I post replies when he posts misinformation such as posts disparaging big clubs in the endless big clubs vs. small clubs debates as a "truth squad" function, mostly for the benefit of the newbees. Another area of misinformation I feel compelled to correct is statements that ability to speak German will overcome racial exlusion policies at some clubs.
Jackyo tends to be a prolific poster in other forums such as Partytreffs and clubs like Blue Note where I have no experience. I don't ever reply to those posts as I have no experience or knowledge to contribute. So no, his posts do not bother me.
If the point of your post was genuine concern that I was bothered by Jackyo's posts, then I would agree that your suggestion was appropriate. However, I would point you to your own statement which seems to indicate you would prefer I button Jackyo so you don't have to be subjected to my repetetive replies:
I therefore suggested that you might find it more profitable (for all of us?), if you, who clearly are disturbed by his posts, simply ignore them.
Your wording "for all of us?" seems to indicate you would prefer I button him so you don't have to read my replies. I contend that the appropriate response under that circumstance is for you to button me. I can't be held responsible for what bothers you.
Lastly, regarding your statement that you could not find any posters objecting to his posts, submitted for your approval:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=852816&postcount=3856
Took me all of 30 seconds of searching. I'm sure I could find more if I put some time into it. But I think your real point you are trying to make is that Jackyo is more popular than I am. That is fine with me if it is true. My purposes in posting is to share information, not to win a popularity contest.
Regards,
EL
Hessen Bub
05-06-09, 09:39
My understanding, particularly in Hessen or Frankfurt that the Red Light District girls charge €30 for suck and fuck where the suck is covered with a condom.
True. But as a standard you won't get more then 15 minutes and no kissing. So the comparison is "Äpfel mit Birnen". ;-)
This suggests that the implied margin or premium for BBBJ is €20.
Not quite, as mentioned above. In the RLD in FMM (Bahnhofsviertel) you will find girls that accept 50 EUR for a session incl. BBBJ, but no DFK. You will also find girls that do BBBJ, DFK, a 30 min session and more for 25 EUR. And you can have a good BBBJ and come into her mouth for 30 EUR, you just have to find these girls, but they do exist.
HB
However, I would point you to your own statement which seems to indicate you would prefer I button Jackyo so you don't have to be subjected to my repetetive replies.No, no, on the contrary. You are seeing shadows here.
Your wording "for all of us?" seems to indicate you would prefer I button him so you don't have to read my replies. I contend that the appropriate response under that circumstance is for you to button me.No, that would do me no good as I would not be able to read your reports.
Notwithstanding Ortos's acknowledged objection, I do remember not few forumers expressing thanks for contributions made by J., especially those new to the scene who overcame their uncertainties about visiting Germany and the FKKs and whose many questions Jackyo answered with much more patience than I could ever muster.
I don't think even you believe you will change his contribution style. My forum experience is that his more probable reaction would be "fuck that, I'll read the forum, but I'll be buggered if I'm going to contribute any more." Now, that may suit you (:-)), but I submit that it would not suit many forum colleagues who have appreciated his input in the past, and may just do so in the future. I've seen forums die, simply because no one posts any more. If I felt my contributions were not appreciated and were submitted to, let us say, repetitive analysis, I would simply desist, full stop. We have thousands of non-contributing lurkers as it is. Do we want more? If everyone retreated, it wouldn't be much fun for you to log in each day to read your own reports and BC's lists. :-) :-)
I'm not going to pursue this any more, because the danger to me seems that I will appear to be patronizing Jackyo, which is as undeserved as it is unintentional. He's made his own judgments, I guess.
We can chew the cud on this further some time as we rest the towels between sessions, at some club we both like but wouldn't want to push on this forum. ;-)
Notwithstanding Ortos's acknowledged objection, I do remember not few forumers expressing thanks for contributions made by J., especially those new to the scene who overcame their uncertainties about visiting Germany and the FKKs and whose many questions Jackyo answered with much more patience than I could ever muster.
Thanks, Tosc, for your very clear and well-argued position, one that I and I'm sure many others respect and agree with. Just a point of clarification, if I may:
You refer to my "acknowledged objection." I wish to stress that I was objecting to some specific things JackyO wrote or implied, but not at all to JackyO personally or his posting style. I love the guy and very much respect his right to post and I hope he will never stop. Thus I will state here categorically that I find JackyO's posts amongst the best and most valuable on the forum. Sure I may not agree with everything he or even EL writes, but I certainly never, ever objected to him posting his views. Indeed, if I read EL's recent posts, I don't think even he objects to JackyO posting. But let me not put words in anybody else's mouth. I'll just speak for myself: Both J and EL are two supreme leaders of our cause here, they are just on opposite sides of the spectrum, kind of like too orators arguing opposing views. I wrote before that I personally enjoyed their back-and-forth banter and it didn't bother me at all and I hoped it would continue. But that is just me, and I know some other guys here are bored of it, or whatever.
At the same time I respect and applaud guys like EL who take this hobby passionately and take time and effort to write great reports. Like a true scholarly professor, he has an obsession with accruacy and detail and therefore tries to call people out if he thinks there is weakness in the info posted. Fair enough.
As to your last point below: I would really love to see you and EL "resting your towels between sessions..." (but please guys, don't let me catch you holding hands under those towels, okay?) in some club. Why not make it happen at Oase, so me and JackyO can come along and we can all sing the Kumbaya song together? What do you say, Jacky? I'll buy your Eintritt to Oase and we can hang in the Kino together. Then we'll go up to Bernd's zusammen and you can buy my Eintritt. Deal?
Ortos
I don't think even you believe you will change his contribution style. My forum experience is that his more probable reaction would be "fuck that, I'll read the forum, but I'll be buggered if I'm going to contribute any more." Now, that may suit you (:-)), but I submit that it would not suit many forum colleagues who have appreciated his input in the past, and may just do so in the future. I've seen forums die, simply because no one posts any more. If I felt my contributions were not appreciated and were submitted to, let us say, repetitive analysis, I would simply desist, full stop. We have thousands of non-contributing lurkers as it is. Do we want more? If everyone retreated, it wouldn't be much fun for you to log in each day to read your own reports and BC's lists. :-) :-)
I'm not going to pursue this any more, because the danger to me seems that I will appear to be patronizing Jackyo, which is as undeserved as it is unintentional. He's made his own judgments, I guess.
We can chew the cud on this further some time as we rest the towels between sessions, at some club we both like but wouldn't want to push on this forum. ;-)
Hey Tosc,
At the risk patronizing YOU, I must send out an open compliment on not only your elegant and entertaining (read: often gut-bustin' hilarious!) style of writing, but also your even-keeled sensibility. Quite the diplomatic scribe, you are.
Personally I have always avoided the "button" option for purely selfish reasons. Even those who on occasion antagonize and annoy me (admittedly I'm easily antagonized and annoyed) often provide entertaining reviews and valued information. Like you, I'm not keen on ignoring this truth.
Also, while I might scratch my head at the dearth of civility when it comes to respectful disagreements, I myself have bags of respect for a person who has taken the time and effort to get his head in and around a foreign culture and language apart from his own. Clearly both Jackyo and EL have done this on a pretty high level. Ironical, isn't it?
J's reports on this and other boards have been quite valuable to me and others for a while now. Also, even though we do not know each other apart from our "board personalities" he and I are mostly in agreement on what the idea FKK experience ought to be.
EL's reports are no less informative and very current, and while our opinions may occasionally differ on a particular club's quality, the information that he provides in his reports is quite accurate and, like a particular US news network, “fair and balanced.” They are also certainly not without their entertainment value. Bit like Eugene O'Neill on amphetamines ;-))
Personalities can clash, in cyberspace as well as in real life. That these two have strong disagreements has been made all too clear, and frankly I find that that drum has been banged on long enough. By and large, I suspect that “agreeing to disagree” not only in theory, but also in practice would be helpful in this particular case. Given the tone of such “exchanges” a rush to offer a contrary argument to one or the other’s viewpoint seems seldom more than antagonizing; degenerating to the point that no helpful or fruitful exchange of ideas takes place. I’m not above a game of “cutting” or “the dozens” myself, but at some point it just gets old.
One another note, Tosc: I often think back with great hilarity on that visit you and “George” made to Finca some years back. I keep wondering if “George’s” successor might join you on a club tour one day. Or maybe even “Sarah”. She’s probably better subject material.
Cheerio,
Dedalus
One another note, Tosc: I often think back with great hilarity on that visit you and “George” made to Finca some years back. I keep wondering if “George’s” successor might join you on a club tour one day. Or maybe even “Sarah”. She’s probably better subject material.Sarah's a sensational idea! I've not been thinking laterally enough. We'll have Cordelia take her to World, and set her in among the younger Romanians and Bulgarians. Endless, endless bitching possibilities ... LOL.
So basically, it costs around 200€ to have someone make all the arrangements and to drive you around. If that’s worth it to you, so be it. I never would have done it. Then again, I am a cheap bastard and don’t need any hand holding.Sportsman you might be cheap, but I am surely the cheapest monger on this forum.
To think that Dolphin12 spent €800 which didn't include his flight or woman fees. Shock Horror!! Now compare that with my last trip, where I spent 2 days in Pussy club Wuppertal, had around 20 sessions with 15 women, and 7 orgasms in the 2 days:
Flight: €80
Hotel: €80
Club : €200
Trains:€20
Meals: €30
Total: €410
€410 for 20 sessions is good value I think!
John Moore
05-09-09, 22:35
Sportsman you might be cheap, but I am surely the cheapest monger on this forum.
To think that Dolphin12 spent €800 which didn't include his flight or woman fees. Shock Horror!! Now compare that with my last trip, where I spent 2 days in Pussy club Wuppertal, had around 20 sessions with 15 women, and 7 orgasms in the 2 days:
Flight: €80
Hotel: €80
Club : €200
Trains:€20
Meals: €30
Total: €410
€410 for 20 sessions is good value I think!Wow, that is good economy right there. And 20 sessions in 2 days, I'm stunned.
My last trip (2 days) was something like:
Flight: €120
Hotel: €190
Club: €515
Trains: €15
Meals: €20
Total: €860
And that was with 6 sessions over three days. 3 x entrance fee at the club etc.
Interesting to see what other guys spend...
Tomm Boyytoyy
05-11-09, 11:07
The abundance of choice is so overwhelming. It is very difficult to tell what the girls look like and how they compare from club to club. Me and my friend are going to be there next week. Can exp. Mongers tell us what order you would rate the girls at the following clubs? Face look?
Body look?
Samya, bernds, pussyclub wuppertal, airport pauschal, dorsten, willich, living room.
In particular, I really want to compare face/body looks between bernds lineup and pussyclub. Who has the better looking babes in general?
(Skillswise I know Bernds is five star, so don't take that into account for this rating)
Anyone willing to help a newbie?
Tx,
Tom
Its been mentioned before that the girls are seeing less business, guys are going to the room less than before. And we know alot of clubs have opened 'sister' clubs when the economy was booming...so operating costs have gone up for some clubs. And some brand new clubs like Ville Vertigo have opened with less business than they hoped for...
So have to wonder, will be seeing the closing or selling of some clubs in the near future?
I also want to add that I talked to a guy at one of the clubs who was getting the numbers of the girls who were interested in working for him at an incall location. Wonder how many more guys are trying to recruit? Have to think though, if guys are being tight with their money...how many will fork out 200 euro's to see an escort?There is a new class of Clubs that offer Flatrate-Sex everything included. Prices go from 70-99€ depending on the daytime. You can have as much sex with as many of the women as you want. Sometimes even food and alcoholic beverages are included in the price, also Sauna and use of some Wellness-Facilities. In the most well known club like this, near Heidelberg, they pride themselves in that there is no extra charge for anything, from what I was able to research, the girls are all 18-19 and most of them from Romania.
So maybe this is an answer to the above question. I have a feeling that the established bigger FKK Clubs are going to have to compete with this.
There is a serious economic crisis going on, I think it will get much worse before it gets better, also in 2010 and 2011. One of the effects is that many younger women who are having problems making enough money to survive and/or loose their jobs because of the economic depression are resulting to moonlighting Part-time to get some extra cash. However the potential buyers have less money themselves for the same reasons and can only spend much less, if anything at all, for this kind of fun. That drives prices down and creates a buyers market for sex services.
On a side note:
I was reading a Report of one of the distinguished members of the forum the other day who was writing about the GFE sex he had with a young women at one of the big three Frankfurt FKK-Clubs, he wrote she was a single mother with 2 kids trying to make some extra money on a weekend like this. I was thinking to myself he could easily have very many Girlfriends like this for free, I don't think its even a money issue.
There is a new class of Clubs that offer Flatrate-Sex everything included. Prices go from 70-99€ depending on the daytime. You can have as much sex with as many of the women as you want. Sometimes even food and alcoholic beverages are included in the price, also Sauna and use of some Wellness-Facilities. In the most well known club like this, near Heidelberg, they pride themselves in that there is no extra charge for anything, from what I was able to research, the girls are all 18-19 and most of them from Romania.
Umm, they're called Partytreffs, are by no means a new phenomenom and there's a whole section of this forum right next door called German Partytreffs where you can read all about them.
I'm assuming from your post that you've never actually been at one, because you impart some news that every PT goer knows, and is all found on the PT thread.
* Yes, most of them serve drinks and food which are usually not on the same level as the FKK clubs.
* Yes, some have sauna and wellness facilities, which are also usually not on the same level as the big FKK clubs, and these too are included in the price.
* Yes, currently, most of the providers in most of the German PT clubs are Romanian.
I would have let all of that pass but you also impart some info which is incorrect and may well be misleading to others:
* That 69€ price is a sign of the deperation of some of these clubs' owners to attract clients during these trying economic times. If this tactic works, and it does sometimes attract alot more clients, it does not mean that there will be more SP to service the greater inflow of customers, since the club is making less per customer and can't afford to add women at the same ratio as the increase in customers. It also certainly means that the SP that are there are the lowest of the low in the food chain. You get what you pay for.
* The upper end prices actually go up to 199€ (PT Willich). It doesn't mean that you're getting better women or service at those prices.
* Pussy Club Heidelberg, which is a relatively new club and part of a chain of clubs run by the same management springing up around Germany (so far, also in Wuppertal and Berlin with a Stuttgart club due to open soon soon) is by no means the most well known of the PT clubs, in fact it's relatively unknown compared to clubs like Mettmann, Dolce Vita, Traumland and Dorsten.
* They can't really take pride "...in that there is no extra charge for anything" since that is the business model by which all PT's operate.
* They may say that all of the girls are 18-19 and mostly post pictures on the website of Romanian spinners, but that's not the reality. There will be some, but there will also be some older and more size- challenged providers.
I encourage you to actually visit some PT's and then report from your own first hand knowledge. Until then, please intro your posts like these by disclosing that such information is culled from other sources and sites and not based on your own actual experience.
So maybe this is an answer to the above question. I have a feeling that the established bigger FKK Clubs are going to have to compete with this.
And based on what information did you get this feeling and what expertise do you have in this field to make such an educated analysis and tell us about it?
PT's have been around for awhile and the established FKK clubs have been competing against them all of that time, so you're not discovering something new here. What you've obviously missed, since you're not posting from hard data but from your "feelings" and research on the internet, is that they're offering a very different product, as generally, you can't compare the SP looks or the service that one gets at a PT to what one gets at a good FKK. There are exceptions to this rule, and the service at a PT like Mettmann or Dolce Vita can be comparable to (actually the service provided at Mettman very often exceeds) the level of service at some FKK's.
It is a low cost alternative if you want to spend more than an hour at a club and have more than 1 session without having to fork over 200€ for entrance and sessions. There is a market for that, but it's a soft market. So even if the PT's draw some new business from ex-FKK customers down on their luck, they are also badly suffering, since PT's are mostly located in Northern Germany which has been hit the hardest economically, and the first ones to suffer in times of economic duress are the working stiffs, who have traditionally made up the main customer base for PT's. To cut expenses, some of these clubs now limit the amount of time that you can spend in the club or the amount of sessions that you can do, and are basically reneging on their own "All you can eat" promise.
The PT model by default is offering an inferior product at a cheaper price, since most of the young, pretty, good providers, won't work for sweatshop wages. It's also a very difficult one to manage. Success depends on finding the right location, attracting a strong stable of efficient providers, and managing both properly to ensure on a day to day and hour by hour basis that customers are leaving with a positive experience. It sounds simpler apparently than it really is. Mettmann and Dolce Vita get it right and stay open, while many PT clubs reach a peak which they find hard to maintain over time, and then begin the slow downhill trajectory till they finally lose their clientele and close. There's always a new PT club reaching it's peak just then and so the cycle continues.
In the end, PT clubs are competing against other PT clubs for that niche market and not against FKK clubs which operate in a different niche.
Umm, they're called Partytreffs, are by no means a new phenomenom and there's a whole section of this forum right next door called German Partytreffs where you can read all about them.
Hey Isseu,
Actually Peter is probably referring to this type of club:
http://www.pussy-club.eu/
The one in Heidelberg use to be the discountsexladies(dot)de club. Never went there myself, but I know a guy who said the quality ranged from two-bagger to pretty darn smokin' hot.
If time allows, then I might stop by the Heidelberg club (I hear that it is pretty seedy) and see what's what.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Hey Isseu,
Actually Peter is probably referring to this type of club:
http://www.pussy-club.eu/
The one in Heidelberg use to be the discountsexladies(dot)de club. Never went there myself, but I know a guy who said the quality ranged from two-bagger to pretty darn smokin' hot.
If time allows, then I might stop by the Heidelberg club (I hear that it is pretty seedy) and see what's what.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Yes, I know. That's the website for the Pussy Club party treff chain that I referred to in my post, and which PC Heidelberg belongs to.
Yes, slightly seedy especially in comparison to most FKK's. There are posts on it on the Other PTs thread.
Yes, I know. That's the website for the Pussy Club party treff chain that I referred to in my post, and which PC Heidelberg belongs to.
Yes, slightly seedy especially in comparison to most FKK's. There are posts on it on the Other PTs thread.
Hey Isseu,
Sorry man. I seemed to have missed that bullet-point in your post. Brain-fart or Mulligan is what what I think they call it.
However regarding this topic:
Firstly I'm not so well versed in the PT scene. Never really held that much interest for me. Also, I have yet to personally visit one of these new, so-called "Flat-rate" clubs that I have been hearing about from a few players and reading about on the German boards. I want to make that clear at the outset so that no one will confuse any statements I make with those of an expert.
I was actually under the impression from my readings and discussions that there is a bit of a difference between the PT clubs and the Flat-rate clubs.
For one thing, the majority, if not all of the FR club workers are not ameteurs. This ain't so at most PTs, right?
I hear that the Heidelberg club has actually undergone some FKK-like renovations. The sauna is supposed to be top-notch now. Also, there are some ex-FKK gals either working as SPs or involved in the management.
What seems like a pretty sweet deal at the Heidelberg Club (70/100 EUR entrance and all you can drink/boff) seems to also be a bit of a problem. Visitors have reported that often the guys outnumber the gals, and grabbing the better looking ones is a tough prospect. Also few reports that I have read or heard describe the sessions as anything other than middle-of-the road, and more often far below club-standard.
Also, it seems the the PT scene is kind of a part of the German sexual sub-culture, whereas these "new" Flat-rate places are more of a reaction to economic times, and a cheaper alternative to the sauna and FKK clubs. I suppose that the PTs are as well, but I do not think that this is the goal of the PTs. More along the alternative lifestyle or swinger mode.
Also it would seem that the posters on the German boards categorize these Flatrates separate from the PTs and more of a "distant, and less intelligent cousin" of the FKK and Sauna clubs.
I'd be very interested in yours (and other's) take on this. I know that you have a better handle on the PT scene than most, and certainly than myself.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Also, it seems the the PT scene is kind of a part of the German sexual sub-culture, whereas these "new" Flat-rate places are more of a reaction to economic times, and a cheaper alternative to the sauna and FKK clubs. I suppose that the PTs are as well, but I do not think that this is the goal of the PTs. More along the alternative lifestyle or swinger mode.
I'd be very interested in yours (and other's) take on this. I know that you have a better handle on the PT scene than most, and certainly than myself.Partytreff clubs now fall under three different types of sex club from what I know. What’s common to all is that they only charge entry price and all sexual services, food and drink are then included in the price.
1) Swingers clubs with hired in women.
Examples are Beverly, Mettmann and Gelsenkirchen, but take note that while Beverly is a swingers club with hired in women, Mettmann and Gelsenkirchen are much more focused on the hired in women, and just have a few swinging couples in attendance, and more so at the weekend. Also each club has its own individual differences. The mettmann women seem to take genuine pleasure in their work, while the Beverly hired in women seem to be there just for the buck.
2) Clubs with mostly Eastern European girls in an open sex environment
Examples are Dorsten, MG, Dolcevita and the Pussy club chain. The sex usually happens on a large bed with several couples, or in rooms that have no doors so voyeurs can get their kicks. Certainly in Pussy club Wuppertal all sessions happen in public, so don’t go their if you want privacy. The majority of partytreffs fall into this category.
3) Clubs that offer sessions in completely private rooms. These clubs are also known as pauschalclubs.
Examples are Airport, Pittstop and Willich. This type of club suits the guy who wants his sex behind closed doors, but who also doesn’t want to pay for each session like in an FKK/Sauna club.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
I know there are many newbies reading who maybe wondering whether to visit an FKK or a Partytreff, so with that in mind I’ll list the advantages and disadvantages of both.
FKKs have a fixed entry price of usually €50 to €75 and then you usually pay €50 per ½ hour of sex with the girl.
Partytreffs charge a flat rate fee of between €100 - €150 and that includes limitless and often public sex for the day. (Its not limitless in all clubs, but it is many)
FKK Advantages:
Big selection of women (50+ is average)
Many girls naked
Many real hotties
Better sex
Better wellness facilities
More luxurious
Better Food
Better chance to socialise with ISGers
FKK Disadvantages:
Entry price doesnt include sex
Pay for every session
Girls up selling during the session (not always)
Girls trying to con you (not always)
Watching the clock
Partytreff Advantages:
Pay one price
Limitless sex
Food, drink included
That lovely feeling of not having to pay anymore money
Not having to watch the clock
Public sex
Porn star shows seem more regular in the PT scene
Partytreff Disadvantages:
Ugly women (not always)
Short sessions (not always)
Mechanical sex (not always)
Basic facilities (not always)
If you are totally into really hot women, and simply do not want to fuck any dogs well then stick to FKK clubs. But if you are broke (like me) and you want lots of sex and don’t mind fucking some dogs then consider Partytreff clubs. Bear in mind there are a good selection of hotties in many PT clubs too.
Also if you want to spend a lot of time fucking a lot of different women in an FKK you will need deep pockets. In a PT club I will often have around 12 session in a day, and maybe 5 cums. 12 sessions in an FKK club would cost €600 minimum, so along with entry the bill would be close to €700, and thats a lot more than the €100 - €150 I will spend in the PT club.
What really bugs me about many FKK clubs, especially the Frankfurt ones is that women are constantly trying to sell themselves and it can get very tiring constantly saying “NO” to the girls you are not interested in. Also some women try to upsell you in the room, and you have to watch the clock so as not to pay extra for extended time if you do go a few minutes over the allocated time. But if you are the type of guy who likes to hang out with other English speakers, spend most of the day looking at the girls, and just have a few sessions in the day then FKKs might be for you. Also if you only have a few hours then FKKs might be your best bet.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
PeeTeePeet
05-15-09, 13:18
Wow. Great summaries. You should consider adding this to the FAQs.
Up to date with the new types of clubs opening up.
FYI, Today Airport Pauschal opens in Bochum! I want to try it out in the near future.
PT
Partytreff clubs now fall under three different types of sex club from what I know. What’s common to all is that they only charge entry price and all sexual services, food and drink are then included in the price.
1) Swingers clubs with hired in women.
Examples are Beverly, Mettmann and Gelsenkirchen, but take note that while Beverly is a swingers club with hired in women, Mettmann and Gelsenkirchen are much more focused on the hired in women, and just have a few swinging couples in attendance, and more so at the weekend. Also each club has its own individual differences. The mettmann women seem to take genuine pleasure in their work, while the Beverly hired in women seem to be there just for the buck.
2) Clubs with mostly Eastern European girls in an open sex environment
Examples are Dorsten, MG, Dolcevita and the Pussy club chain. The sex usually happens on a large bed with several couples, or in rooms that have no doors so voyeurs can get their kicks. Certainly in Pussy club Wuppertal all sessions happen in public, so don’t go their if you want privacy. The majority of partytreffs fall into this category.
3) Clubs that offer sessions in completely private rooms. These clubs are also known as pauschalclubs.
Examples are Airport, Pittstop and Willich. This type of club suits the guy who wants his sex behind closed doors, but who also doesn’t want to pay for each session like in an FKK/Sauna club.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Many thanks to Wan King for the really good summary of differences between the FKKs and Partytreffs.
I cannot offer anything on the Partytreffs.
A few words of caution on the FKK summary, so that first-timers are not disappointed.
1) You will often get 50+ girls at the Big3 Hessen clubs, at Goldentime in Bruggen and Artemis in Berlin. Also possible at PHG in Nordrhein-Westfalen, I have heard, and ColA in Augsburg, perhaps others I've forgotten. But in the large majority of FKKs there are fewer girls. I would say many clubs rarely see more than 20.
2) The average age of the girls at these clubs tends to be slightly higher than at the big ones. There will probably be good looking ones and fine service-providers at almost all clubs though.
3) The plus side is that many of the disadvantages that WK rightly speaks of are less prevalent at the smaller local clubs, which are generally good at maintaining standards. Less boorish upselling, fewer attempts at cheating, less watching the clock. (That said, fear of possible exploitation should never be a reason not to go to any FKK IMHO, it's rare you will suffer badly if you read the forum and prepare yourself in thought beforehand.)
Other than that I would say that WK's summary is valuable indeed for choosing whether you want the style / costs of an FKK or a Partytreff.
I was actually under the impression from my readings and discussions that there is a bit of a difference between the PT clubs and the Flat-rate clubs. For one thing, the majority, if not all of the FR club workers are not ameteurs. This ain't so at most PTs, right?
Also, it seems the the PT scene is kind of a part of the German sexual sub-culture, whereas these "new" Flat-rate places are more of a reaction to economic times, and a cheaper alternative to the sauna and FKK clubs. I suppose that the PTs are as well, but I do not think that this is the goal of the PTs. More along the alternative lifestyle or swinger mode.
It's a matter of semantics. On this board "party treff" is more or less synonomous with "flat rate" all you can eat clubs even though that's not what it meant when it started.
But you're right; In the past, a partytreff was a club that afforded everybody a place to play. It was more or less a swinger club, attracting a local crowd of regulars with an anything goes, "party" atmosphere, hence the name. It was a place where a single or married women, wanting to get it on with horny single guys without the added drama that is sometimes part of the swinger lifetsyle, could still feeel comfortable in this controlled atmosphere. This, as opposed to the traditional swinger clubs which did not allow single men to join in the fun.
Today, you won't find many of these around. As WK has already described there are very few PT's today where you will see ever see amateurs and sightings of single or maried women are a rare occurrence. While I have seen them elsewhere including Party Inn, PartyKreis Airport Frankfurt, and Selm, Mettmann is the most famous for this. Beverly which WK also mentioned is not really a partytreff. It is actually a swingertreff, i.e. a swinger club which has parties, allows singles to prticipate, and also has some "house" woman who according to the club management are just horny amateurs and not on the payroll. But the majority of the women there are amateurs as you would expect in any swinger club.
Summing up:
1) PT used to be a type of swinger club for amateur singles and couples.
2) Not anymore. All PT's are P4P, and it is rare to find a woman who is not on the payroll.
3) With rare exceptions, all PT clubs have flat rate pricing. All flat rate clubs function as PT's. Hence the equation: PT= flat rate club
4) The mission of PT today, and has been for a long time, is to be a low cost option not some trend in alternative lifestyles.
5) The "new" flat rate clubs are not new and are therefore not a reaction to the current economic times. As I wrote in my earlier post, they are also suffering under the weight of these times.
To Isseu, WanKing and Tosc,
Thanks loads for the valuable information and the clarifications! And for putting up with my ignorance.
From reading the German boards, one can sort of get a somewhat different impression; that a PT and a FR are a bit different. Isseu's point about the PT/Swinger Club comparison makes sense, and is probably why the distinction seems more defined to some others.
Thanks for the help, guys.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Tomm Boyytoyy
05-15-09, 21:14
Any suggestions on where and how to rent a cellphone upon arrival in Germany.Cologne/Dusseldorf?
I will be bringing the instrument (no pun intended! Just need to find out which company to get a temporary prepaid SIM card from and how much it costs, etc.
Tx,
Tom
It was a place where a single or married women, wanting to get it on with horny single guys without the added drama that is sometimes part of the swinger lifetsyle, could still feeel comfortable in this controlled atmosphere. This, as opposed to the traditional swinger clubs which did not allow single men to join in the fun.
Iseeu, that's an interesting observation...
In that case, where would you say that this type of woman would go for fun nowadays ?
Back to SwingerClubs or ???
In that case, where would you say that this type of woman would go for fun nowadays ?
Back to SwingerClubs or ???
Yes. Many of the German swinger clubs are very open to single men, unlike most swinger clubs in other countries.
Colombia Lover
05-19-09, 03:10
I'm headed to Austria this summer, but will arrive in Munich and stay for two days. I've read enough to know to avoid clubs in Munich, so was wondering if there was an FKK club (or some other good club) within a reasonable distance of Munich that I can access my train. Any information is much appreciated. I'm more than happy to do the reading if I can just narrow down a location.
Thanks in advance.
CL
I'm headed to Austria this summer, but will arrive in Munich and stay for two days. I've read enough to know to avoid clubs in Munich, so was wondering if there was an FKK club (or some other good club) within a reasonable distance of Munich that I can access my train. Any information is much appreciated. I'm more than happy to do the reading if I can just narrow down a location.
See this thread for FKK Colosseum: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2587
It's located in Augsburg which you can reach easily from Munich by train. You need to take a cab the last few km from Augsburg station.
Good luck
Colombia Lover
05-22-09, 16:12
Thank you, Zimmer!
See this thread for FKK Colosseum: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2587
It's located in Augsburg which you can reach easily from Munich by train. You need to take a cab the last few km from Augsburg station.
Good luck
Tuxsmasher
05-24-09, 20:57
Have you ever had to pay extra for facials in an fkk or its generally not a big deal for the ladies?
Hessen Bub
05-25-09, 07:58
Have you ever had to pay extra for facials in an fkk or its generally not a big deal for the ladies?
Actually facial should be the same extra charge as CIM.
HB
James Bond 007
05-26-09, 00:48
See this thread for FKK Colosseum: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2587
It's located in Augsburg which you can reach easily from Munich by train. You need to take a cab the last few km from Augsburg station.
Good luck
Although I have never been to Colosseum, I had planned to visit when I was visiting Munich. If I remember correctly, I think you may be able to transfer to a local train from the Augsburg main train station and walk 10-15 minutes or so to the club from the closet local train station though I can't remember the station's name. Although taking a cab would be the easier solution, if Columbia lover was planning to venture out from Munich anyway, I think the local train fee should be included so it wouldn't be extra and could save a few euros if one was on a budget.
AColonizer
05-27-09, 17:54
Help! Is that possible?
I see the pictures in sites of the most important FKKs: is that possible women are almost all Romanian/Bulgarian and not under 22 years old and with too many kilos?
Basketcase
05-27-09, 20:54
Help! Is that possible?
I see the pictures in sites of the most important FKKs: is that possible women are almost all Romanian/Bulgarian and not under 22 years old and with too many kilos?
Acolonizer,
If you look up my trip report posts you will see line up lists of the girls names, sometimes a description and their nationality to distinquish them. You will see that not all the women in the important FKKs are almost all Romanian and Bulgarian.
Some clubs like FKK World have a more preponderance of Romanians and Bulgarians but each clubs appear to have a sizeable proportion of ladies from those particular Black sea countries. Although I do know there is one punter that I run with that refuses to believe that World has very many Romanians and Bulgarians since the few exceptions of say Polish or German origin working girls disproves the claim. Also he needs proof that there is many and a simple line up list does not suffuce. So if we believe him then the answer is "no, there are not very many Romanians and Bulgarians, what are you thinking?"
If you actually mean the local clubs in NRW, OWL and Hessen as the important clubs as opposed to Top Clubs then I do not know I am sorry.
Cheers,
Hey guys FKK-experts.
What FKK club in western Nordrhein-Westfallen can you recommend? I’m looking especially for the black women?
Thanks for your tips
There was a discussion on the Oase thread this past week on posters, lurkers, what defines an experienced monger and why lurkers are adverse to posting.
I believe that this is an important issue which needs to be highlighted and discussed in its own right rather than getting lost in the wealth of visit reports and discussion on the size of Linda/Karolina/Adrianna's mammaries. So I'm copying here the relevant posts in the order that they appeared, in the hope that they will engender more input from both regular posters and lurkers.
1) James Bond meets an experienced monger (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=885073&postcount=3974)
2) Forzagermania recounts that he met the same monger but he only has a year's wear and tear under his towel so he's still a rookie (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=885338&postcount=3978)
3) Ortos on the definition of a senior monger (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=885514&postcount=3980)
4) EL on respect for regular contributors (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=886116&postcount=3994)
5) James Bond's reply to EL with justifications for lurkers who don't post (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=886123&postcount=3997)
6) A very eloquent response by an amazing guy to James Bond's post (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=886155&postcount=4001)
Comments? Hurled epithets? Learned responses?
Ekliges Lauern
05-28-09, 20:57
Comments? Hurled epithets? Learned responses?
Well, it's everyones choice whether they post reviews. I will say my respect for posters is directly proportional to the number of the reviews the post. Please note number of reviews is different than number of posts. I tend to have less patience and respect for senior members with high post counts who rarely if ever post a review. Posting what you've read on another board, even if translating, is not contributing new information. Nor is repeating the same objection to a club or set of clubs, or conversely marketing or promoting another set of club.
If lurkers want to lurk, that is fine. But remember, you are not contributing. And as such you deserve less respect.
I also know some frequent club visitors don't want to post reviews for fear of being outed. My response is ok, don't post a blow by blow trip report with enough info for the ladies in question to out you.
I will say I think we should be less snarky to the newbees who ask questions, even if they can be found by searching. Lately newbees have been some of the most prolific review posters.
Interesting one of the most frequently asked question from newbees is how do I get to club X by public transportation and we have not provided that information in the latest so called FAQ. When frequently asked questions aren't addressed in the FAQ, i don't think we can fault the newbees as a group for frequently asking frequently asked questions.
I will say I think we should be less snarky to the newbees who ask questions, even if they can be found by searching. Lately newbees have been some of the most prolific review posters.
Interesting one of the most frequently asked question from newbees is how do I get to club X by public transportation and we have not provided that information in the latest so called FAQ. When frequently asked questions aren't addressed in the FAQ, i don't think we can fault the newbees as a group for frequently asking frequently asked questions.
Excellent points. Here's another one:
If we have sections here that deal with RoD, Travel Plans, etc., why not have a dedicated section spelling out directions to all the major clubs? Call it something like FKK Locations and Directions or How to Get to FKKs, whatever. It would serve a very basic quick info service for maybe the Nummero Uno Questione asked so, so often by new members...
Just an idea
Vito Corleone
05-29-09, 00:41
Excellent points. Here's another one:
If we have sections here that deal with RoD, Travel Plans, etc., why not have a dedicated section spelling out directions to all the major clubs? Call it something like FKK Locations and Directions or How to Get to FKKs, whatever. It would serve a very basic quick info service for maybe the Nummero Uno Questione asked so, so often by new members...
Just an idea
Great idea. How about a HOW TO USE THE SEARCH THREAD section.
Vito Corleone
05-29-09, 01:12
Hey guys FKK-experts.
What FKK club in western Nordrhein-Westfallen can you recommend? I’m looking especially for the black women?
Thanks for your tips
During my last rip in early May, I noticed around 4-5 black women working @ Golden Time. Best to search some of Basketcase's post on the lineups for more specific info.
It has been more than 2 years, but there was a hot Ethiopian babe Denise @ Living Room. Tall, slim with a pretty face.
Vito Corleone
05-29-09, 01:35
Well, it's everyones choice whether they post reviews. I will say my respect for posters is directly proportional to the number of the reviews the post. Please note number of reviews is different than number of posts. I tend to have less patience and respect for senior members with high post counts who rarely if ever post a review. Posting what you've read on another board, even if translating, is not contributing new information. Nor is repeating the same objection to a club or set of clubs, or conversely marketing or promoting another set of club.
If lurkers want to lurk, that is fine. But remember, you are not contributing. And as such you deserve less respect.
I also know some frequent club visitors don't want to post reviews for fear of being outed. My response is ok, don't post a blow by blow trip report with enough info for the ladies in question to out you.
I will say I think we should be less snarky to the newbees who ask questions, even if they can be found by searching. Lately newbees have been some of the most prolific review posters.
Interesting one of the most frequently asked question from newbees is how do I get to club X by public transportation and we have not provided that information in the latest so called FAQ. When frequently asked questions aren't addressed in the FAQ, i don't think we can fault the newbees as a group for frequently asking frequently asked questions.
Everyones idea of respect varies, but I believe respect is earned, not written. Until you meet in person, how can you really respect someone? Just because someone gives specific details on the amount of toilet paper they used to wipe after taking a dump on the 5th day @ 4:33pm does not deserve more respect. If you want to hold their hands & give them a gift, that's great.
I do not think anyone is going to lose any sleep because EL thinks they are a newbie or your lack of respect for them. Everyone has their reasons for not providing trip reports & that is fine with me. I like to have a little fun & yes, I do respond with sacrcasm. Someone eventually responds to the newbie question anyway so what's the big deal.
If you want to go mano a mano with Jackyo & everyone else that you dislike, have fun. Have fun hunting down all the members with high post counts with only a few trip reports.
On a serious note, what trains do I take to Palace from Industriehof? Also, how much is the entry price to Palace? I am sorry for being a newbie, but this info would really help. Thank you!
Basketcase
05-29-09, 02:01
Hey guys FKK-experts.
What FKK club in western Nordrhein-Westfallen can you recommend? I’m looking especially for the black women?
Thanks for your tips
Otari,
Golden Time:
Most of my visits in NRW are to Golden Time. The attached two links are to some of my recent reports to Golden Time that include line up lists of the girls present and a bit of a description where possible. You will see a number of black girls listed.
880160
871780
Villa Vertigo:
I recently went to Villa Vertigo on a Friday night which is the day you would expect its better line up to be present and I saw no dark skinned women.
Planet Happy Garden:
I do not have recent experience of Planet Happy Garden but during my visits I have not seen any Black women.
Ying Yang:
I do not have recent experience of Yin Yang but during my visits I have not seen any Black women.
Living Room:
I have no comment on Living Room.
Ekliges Lauern
05-29-09, 08:01
Everyones idea of respect varies, but I believe respect is earned, not written. Until you meet in person, how can you really respect someone? Just because someone gives specific details on the amount of toilet paper they used to wipe after taking a dump on the 5th day @ 4:33pm does not deserve more respect. If you want to hold their hands & give them a gift, that's great.
I do not think anyone is going to lose any sleep because EL thinks they are a newbie or your lack of respect for them. Everyone has their reasons for not providing trip reports & that is fine with me. I like to have a little fun & yes, I do respond with sacrcasm. Someone eventually responds to the newbie question anyway so what's the big deal.
If you want to go mano a mano with Jackyo & everyone else that you dislike, have fun. Have fun hunting down all the members with high post counts with only a few trip reports.
On a serious note, what trains do I take to Palace from Industriehof? Also, how much is the entry price to Palace? I am sorry for being a newbie, but this info would really help. Thank you!
I think we have a fundimentally different ideas of what the forum should be. I think this forum is at its best when we share information. Hence my preference for visit reports. I got alot out of this forum when I was a newbee by reading visit reports.
I sense that some senior mongers would prefer to use the forum mostly for back and forth banter. That's fine too. I can't say I find that particularly useful, but to each his own.
The final category is those that actively post misinformation in order to promote clubs they like. I make no apologies for correcting misinformation posted.
Lately, it has been the newbees providing the bulk of the trip reports. As I want more people to post club reports, I would prefer we not gang tackle the newbees every time one asks a question. Newbees become experienced mongers over time. It was funny their was a thread recently about whether BC should be considered an experience monger. I thought the comment was somewhat amusing given BC has probably contributed more to the forum over the last year that any of the more experienced mongers. I'm looking for more BC's to emerge on this forum. Your "sarcasm" towards newbees does not come across well in the forum. People asking questions often do not know when you are being facetious. Doesn't make for a very inviting welcome.
BTW, what info have you shared with the forum lately?
I think we have a fundimentally different ideas of what the forum should be. I think this forum is at its best when we share information.
Now the problem is that some of my information isn't usable for everyone. I talk backchannel with other members of the board, actually quite a few both here and at the clubs...and everyone has their own specific taste's and like's...the same with the ladies...and the chemistry between the girls and the posters create alot of the extra's you read about in the posts...ie the free time outside the room, the real gfe service and the like. Everyone has their own opinions of what's good and what's not, let them decide for themselves.
Would it be of interest to you to know the names of the girls at each club that give me great service and spend their free time outside the room letting me grab them to my hearts content? If I posted the names of all the girls at all the clubs that provided awsome service and spent their free time with me, what good would that information do for you? Would you expect the same type of service?
You should be happy that guys provide a general description of the club should suffice...ie how many girls are working, number of guys and the overall atmosphere.
Vito Corleone
05-29-09, 22:29
I think we have a fundimentally different ideas of what the forum should be. I think this forum is at its best when we share information. Hence my preference for visit reports. I got alot out of this forum when I was a newbee by reading visit reports.
I sense that some senior mongers would prefer to use the forum mostly for back and forth banter. That's fine too. I can't say I find that particularly useful, but to each his own.
The final category is those that actively post misinformation in order to promote clubs they like. I make no apologies for correcting misinformation posted.
Lately, it has been the newbees providing the bulk of the trip reports. As I want more people to post club reports, I would prefer we not gang tackle the newbees every time one asks a question. Newbees become experienced mongers over time. It was funny their was a thread recently about whether BC should be considered an experience monger. I thought the comment was somewhat amusing given BC has probably contributed more to the forum over the last year that any of the more experienced mongers. I'm looking for more BC's to emerge on this forum. Your "sarcasm" towards newbees does not come across well in the forum. People asking questions often do not know when you are being facetious. Doesn't make for a very inviting welcome.
BTW, what info have you shared with the forum lately?
What! Vito being Facetious? Never!
I also like to read trip reports, just prefer not to write them. BC's long reports are very impressive & it is amazing how he remembers all the details. I do not remember half the things I did until I read his report (early May).
I session with a lot of women during my trips & I like to relax & sleep when I return to my hotel. I prefer not to stay awake 1-2 extra hrs & write down all my notes & try to remember the entire club lineup (name, country, height, hair, cup size & etc).
I believe I share some useful info from time to time. I think you take this forum a little too seriously, but you do provide very useful info.
From the Frankfurt International Airport terminal 1, how do I find Starbucks from the Nike store? Thanks
Basketcase
05-29-09, 22:56
From the Frankfurt International Airport terminal 1, how do I find Starbucks from the Nike store? Thanks
Hi Vito Corleone,
Give me a moment I will find my map of Frankfurt am Main airport (terminal 1 and terminal 2) in my fully Dewey decimal indexed archive of FKK memorabilia and I will provide some instruction.
Which Starbucks do you want?
Vito Corleone
05-29-09, 23:01
Hi Vito Corleone,
Give me a moment I will find my map of Frankfurt am Main airport (terminal 1 and terminal 2) in my fully Dewey decimal indexed archive of FKK memorabilia and I will provide some instruction.
Which Starbucks do you want?
The Starbucks located about 30ft to the right as you exit the Nike store.
Gfe Finder
05-29-09, 23:24
A while ago, I spoke with an occasional poster on this forum about the issues raised in post #5. His take was that you should worry only if you post a negative review of a girl. With enough effort, she can figure out the date you were there and who you are based in part on the other girls you were with and what other activities you did that day (these girls have memories like elephants.) Our way out of this problem is that we both do enough sessions that we can't possibly report every day with every girl. So, even if the girl puts forth the effort (hard to do and again probably not worth it unless you criticize), tracking back would be anywhere from difficult to impossible. Any recommendations from other members on how to address this problem? If this poster had some concerns, undoubtedly there are other lurkers who could benefit from knowing this information.
There was a discussion on the Oase thread this past week on posters, lurkers, what defines an experienced monger and why lurkers are adverse to posting.
I believe that this is an important issue which needs to be highlighted and discussed in its own right rather than getting lost in the wealth of visit reports and discussion on the size of Linda/Karolina/Adrianna's mammaries. So I'm copying here the relevant posts in the order that they appeared, in the hope that they will engender more input from both regular posters and lurkers.
1) James Bond meets an experienced monger (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=885073&postcount=3974)
2) Forzagermania recounts that he met the same monger but he only has a year's wear and tear under his towel so he's still a rookie (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=885338&postcount=3978)
3) Ortos on the definition of a senior monger (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=885514&postcount=3980)
4) EL on respect for regular contributors (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=886116&postcount=3994)
5) James Bond's reply to EL with justifications for lurkers who don't post (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=886123&postcount=3997)
6) A very eloquent response by an amazing guy to James Bond's post (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=886155&postcount=4001)
Comments? Hurled epithets? Learned responses?
Ozzy Ozzman
05-30-09, 01:26
A while ago, I spoke with an occasional poster on this forum about the issues raised in post #5. His take was that you should worry only if you post a negative review of a girl. With enough effort, she can figure out the date you were there and who you are based in part on the other girls you were with and what other activities you did that day (these girls have memories like elephants.) Our way out of this problem is that we both do enough sessions that we can't possibly report every day with every girl. So, even if the girl puts forth the effort (hard to do and again probably not worth it unless you criticize), tracking back would be anywhere from difficult to impossible. Any recommendations from other members on how to address this problem? If this poster had some concerns, undoubtedly there are other lurkers who could benefit from knowing this information. I guess you just have to be careful how much details you divulge.
Just recently I had written a comment in one of the FKK threads, but as I was to hit the "Add Report" button I had second thoughts and decided not to post. The reason was that if the persons involved indeed were to read it, it would be very easy for her/them to say "Aha, so Ozzy is THAT guy". I may post it at a later time, when memories may have faded a bit, but it is true what you say, many of these girls have a memory like an elephant. With repeat visits, I've been told things by my regular girls like "Oh, this is the room we were in when we were first together" or other obscure details that I myself am completely oblivious to. I've also had relayed to me details of what I did in the room with their friends many months ago (they gossip), so if you're a known face to her (a regular customer), she will eventually be able to connect the dots if she happens to read the forum (and if she does read it, the reports that will get her attention are of course the ones that mention her name, so your specific report will not be one that is drowned in the plethora of reports filed here, as long as you mention her.) With hindsight, I think I may have gone a bit too far with some of the details I've posted earlier, but for now I haven't gotten any comments or queries from the girls mentioned (knock wood).
I guess it also depends on which girl you are reporting on. Some of them seem so dense I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't know how to switch on a computer. But a lot (perhaps most) seem savvy and intelligent enough to be able to do some research and suss you out if they put in the effort and the details are there.
That being said, I don't necessarily think it's the "I fucked so-and-so in this and that position"-reports that will get you outed, but more so the details of what has been said or what has been done besides the sex. For example, I've shown my appreciation for a certain ATF in a special way, and that appreciation was very much returned. The details would probably make an interesting post, but I would never do it as it would be a dead giveaway if she were to read it. I've also learned quite a bit about the private lives of some of my regular girls, like their background, family lives, hopes for the future etc. Some of it may make interesting reading, but I don't post it. Mainly out of respect for the girl's privacy, but also because there probably was a more limited amount of guys she told so-and-so details to last week, than fucked her doggy then mish before cumming in her mouth.
Finally there is the question whether a girl really cares if you post a report on her (or are a poster in general), as long as you don't post anything negative. This I have no clue about, as I have never discussed ISG or any other forum with a girl. But I think I would feel kinda foolish if one of my favourites were to say that she had read what I had written about her (I. E. She outed me), even if she then were to say that she didn't care, or even if she thought it was nice.
Just my two cents.
Ozzy
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
The Starbucks located about 30ft to the right as you exit the Nike store.
go 30 ft to the left as you exit the Nike store, make a u-turn, then walk 60 ft straight ahead. Should be right there :D
Ekliges Lauern
05-30-09, 07:55
I think we need a new category for posters who do not post reviews. I propose the term leeches for this category of posters as they prefer to take information from the forum but do not contribute information. So far, three excuses have emerged:
1. I'm special
"She only sucks dick that way for me, so no sense sharing information on her". The Breadman excuse.
2. I'm lazy
"What, take up my precious time writing a review, I could post 50 snarky comments about directions in that time". The Vito excuse.
3. I'll be outed.
If you are in the clubs as often as HB or BC, I accept there is some legitamcy depending on how much info you share about yourself and the women. But seriously, these women fuck 10 guys a day. If you don't post details of conversations or other items that could identify you, how are they going to identify you. I think you are in more danger of being overheard when giving your handle to other guys at clubs.
Let's not forget many of these women have managers, and internet posters are not high on their list of life concerns. For the others, I'm sure ISG is of much less interest to the girls than the German forums.
Angus Magee
05-30-09, 08:38
For me the question is not so much why do others not post but why do I post. Of course I have a preference that others post their experience in reports. But in the end I have to ask myself why do I post?
This "hobby", if you can call it that, Has been part of my life on and off for almost 35 years now. It has been part obsession, part passion. For much of this time it was also my deepest & darkest secret. No one knew and I never shared anything about it with anyone.
I discovered review boards about ten years back and have since been involved in several, first just reading reviews and eventually starting to post. I found it enormously helpful and also fun to share information and experiences. It helped to lessen the obsession aspect of the hobby and to strengthen the passion aspect. A good thing I think.
Eventually I started letting folks know in my off line life what I do and what my hobby is. So while I certainly don't go around telling everyone I know that I like banging pros, those people in my life who are important to me, closer friends, all know my hobby. But lets face it, mostly they do not want to know the details. So the details I post here. Just as a way of getting it out there and having fun as I do enjoy the writing just as writing.
Other members and none members can do as they feel, post or not post. I'm still going to post as long as I am going to see girls. I do remind people who come on here seeking info to write up their reports. But more than that I can not do. I also will tell posters who come on with very general questions (I am coming to Berlin. Who should I see?) that this is a very difficult question for anyone to answer. Some research and effort is required.
In the end I feel that I get a lot from this forum because I give a lot. But then this is the same for all areas of life and indeed life in general. The more you give, just because you want to and have passion, the more you receive.
Ekliges Lauern
05-30-09, 09:10
That being said, I don't necessarily think it's the "I fucked so-and-so in this and that position"-reports that will get you outed, but more so the details of what has been said or what has been done besides the sex. For example, I've shown my appreciation for a certain ATF in a special way, and that appreciation was very much returned. The details would probably make an interesting post, but I would never do it as it would be a dead giveaway if she were to read it. I've also learned quite a bit about the private lives of some of my regular girls, like their background, family lives, hopes for the future etc. Some of it may make interesting reading, but I don't post it. Mainly out of respect for the girl's privacy, but also because there probably was a more limited amount of guys she told so-and-so details to last week, than fucked her doggy then mish before cumming in her mouth.
Fully agree. I try to keep personal details disclosed out of reports as it could be identifying outside of this forum. Remember, the girls are far more concerned about being "outed" outside the clubs than we are inside the clubs.
The is a lady I went with at a club who told me her day job outside the club. I'd love to share it on the forum because the job has a rather amusing sexual connotation in English. But I won't share it as it could be potentially identifying. Also, I would caution board members from going into too much details on tattoos, particularly if is a unique design.
Hessen Bub
05-30-09, 16:49
If you are in the clubs as often as HB or BC, I accept there is some legitamcy depending on how much info you share about yourself and the women. But seriously, these women fuck 10 guys a day. If you don't post details of conversations or other items that could identify you, how are they going to identify you. I think you are in more danger of being overheard when giving your handle to other guys at clubs.
Let's not forget many of these women have managers, and internet posters are not high on their list of life concerns. For the others, I'm sure ISG is of much less interest to the girls than the German forums.
Don't feel to safe. A lot of non-German girls do speak English, often their English is better than their German. So they read the ISG instead of German boards. And they do know how to make a connection, how to link the information (sometimes very detailled, too detailled) to things that happened and to guys they met at the club, even guys they have never ever been with. So be careful how you do share information - but please go on writing reports.
Why post "I was at Oase on Tuesday May 5th from 14.25 until 22.35 and met xxxx on my way out, talked to her and she said "xxxx" to me. I'm glad I brought my own shoes, my own towel and that I did not lose my Rolex watch and Gucci sunglasses when I was in the pool with xxx". That's of zero interest.
HB
I was found out by one of my regulars some time back as a result of my postings. It was NOT a pleasent experience. It was a result of a board member feeling the urge to discuss me with her in details (I do not know what to call a fetish like that) backed up by some of my reports, and subsequently the girl going through my reports and putting two and two together.
Hey All,
Not that long ago I had to tap dance around the issue of boards, posting and such with one of my favorites. Nothing to do with an in-depth report, but a simple acknowledgment of a particular gal's attractiveness and good service. She had me cold too. She belongs to a group who make it a hobby of placing handles with faces. (And there are several clicks like this!)
Plus, I had the unfortunate luck that one of our brethren outed me to her. And it's not the first time.
I still try my best to do my part, and I still write the occasional narrative. However, as has been pointed out, some of us are in and out the doors of these places pretty often, and some of us have discovered that the less the ladies associate us with the Internet, the better.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Daed; Sadly, some of us are not are not so fortunate to be "in and out the doors of these places pretty often".
I've gotten alot of great information from this list and try to "give back", with full reports, when I return from the promised land.
If an "SP" is somehow able to identify me as a result of information I've gleaned from this site (or other such). Quite honestly, I am not going to worry about it. There are more P's in the pod.
But understand your point of view.
Strato
Hey All,
Not that long ago I had to tap dance around the issue of boards, posting and such with one of my favorites. Nothing to do with an in-depth report, but a simple acknowledgment of a particular gal's attractiveness and good service. She had me cold too. She belongs to a group who make it a hobby of placing handles with faces. (And there are several clicks like this!)
Plus, I had the unfortunate luck that one of our brethren outed me to her. And it's not the first time.
I still try my best to do my part, and I still write the occasional narrative. However, as has been pointed out, some of us are in and out the doors of these places pretty often, and some of us have discovered that the less the ladies associate us with the Internet, the better.
Cheers,
Dedalus
A while ago, I spoke with an occasional poster on this forum about the issues raised in post #5. His take was that you should worry only if you post a negative review of a girl. With enough effort, she can figure out the date you were there and who you are based in part on the other girls you were with and what other activities you did that day (these girls have memories like elephants.) Our way out of this problem is that we both do enough sessions that we can't possibly report every day with every girl. So, even if the girl puts forth the effort (hard to do and again probably not worth it unless you criticize), tracking back would be anywhere from difficult to impossible. Any recommendations from other members on how to address this problem? If this poster had some concerns, undoubtedly there are other lurkers who could benefit from knowing this information.
As I wrote in post #6, IMHO it's really a stretch to believe that she'll identify your handle, attach it to you the next time she sees you and out you. You'd really need to include in your post a lot of very specific identifying information about yourself and your session with her for this to happen. But even if she does, so what?
Why should anyone worry about the girl's reaction after writing a negative report? Would you care the same if a really incompetent plumber messed up your plumbing and found out that you were unhappy with his work? As with any service provider it's best that they know the truth. If it was truly her fault, let her find out that she has an unsatisfied customer. In fact if it is indeed true that the girls read this forum, let the others and club management know as well. It's probably the best way for us to positively impact service levels.
Again, I believe that this is just an excuse not to post rather than a valid reason.
A while ago, I spoke with an occasional poster on this forum about the issues raised in post #5. His take was that you should worry only if you post a negative review of a girl.
I had a situation on my last trip where the girl started to mention other names of guys on the board after I mentioned 'this guy says hi'....just by saying hello for him I got myself in the jam of being associated with a larger group.
This isn't like a bar or stripclub where your just getting a dance...you somehow get the girls thinking your friends with some asshole who treated them like shit and you'll get the same no matter how hard you try to smooth things over.
As a point: On one hand, you see a guy buying champagne for all the girls and getting all the attention...'im his buddy'. Guy comes out of the room and mentions he fucked a girl in the ass without her consent, im going to stay on the other side of the room just in case.
let her find out that she has an unsatisfied customer.
There's more than one issue why some don't post reviews. What I said above is a valid reason, although the last description was a stretch (pun intended).
So you Isseu rip a girl in a review...and she knows its you who did the review since your being specific in the details. Now we all know, everyone clicks differently with the girls...your bad session will be Beffens highlight of the trip. So you rip the girl a new one, Beffins sitting at the table with you and by association, his second trip to the room with the girl sucks the big one. Beffin's second session should have been as good as the first 'if' the girl didnt' know that you wrote that negative review.
As I wrote in post #6, IMHO it's really a stretch to believe that she'll identify your handle, attach it to you the next time she sees you and out you. You'd really need to include in your post a lot of very specific identifying information about yourself and your session with her for this to happen. But even if she does, so what?
Why should anyone worry about the girl's reaction after writing a negative report? Would you care the same if a really incompetent plumber messed up your plumbing and found out that you were unhappy with his work? As with any service provider it's best that they know the truth. If it was truly her fault, let her find out that she has an unsatisfied customer. In fact if it is indeed true that the girls read this forum, let the others and club management know as well. It's probably the best way for us to positively impact service levels.
Again, I believe that this is just an excuse not to post rather than a valid reason.
Very rarely do I see somebody post sentences that could be entirely my own. This is an emphatic way for me to say that I fully agree with Iseeu's argument above. Reading several esteemed posters contributions during the past day, I was struck with a feeling that these guys are overly concerned about being outed through there posts....or possess paranoid personalities...or both. I really think lots of guys here are over-estimating the exposure of info posted on this isg site to the girls or even idiot pimps who are involved with FKKs. If they ever do even take much time out of their days to peruse the Internet for info, then surely 90% of their attention is focused on local German boards, since local Germans make up the main segment of the potential day-to-day customer pool.
Now I know there are cases, like Henio has mentioned below, where guys have been outed. But I would argue that these are the rare exception, not at all the general rule. There are some real jerk mongers out there who might even print out a post or series of posts on a specific site and actually hand it to a girl he wants to session with and say: "Hey take a look at this!"
I myself subscribe entirely to Iseeu's school of thought, namely: I very much doubt there is much if any impact on the FKK scen by our posts, and if some girls do occassionaly read this, they must make a giant leap of comprehension and advanced pattern analysis to link a given post with a guys handle here. Even if she moves in one direction, her conclusion will always be shrouded with alot of doubt or uncertainty. If she confronts you, and you say: "Wtf are you on about? I know nothing of Internet chatter, lol..." There will always be such a margin of error in her mind. But in the end, Do you really give a shit if they do know who you are? LOL! Big deal. Let the seller beware....
Ortos
However, as has been pointed out, some of us are in and out the doors of these places pretty often, and some of us have discovered that the less the ladies associate us with the Internet, the better.
First, I have to say that I'm happy that my post generated this very interesting and educational discussion. Good stuff although it would be even better if some "lurkers" added in their thoughts.
Agree with Ded. The less that we are associated with an internet forum that reviews the clubs the better. The flip side of this; I have a friend who reviews restaurants for a fairly prominent regional newspaper, and although he visits restaurants incognito, he is sometimes recognized and invariably receives amazing personal service, which means that he has to scrap any plans to review that particular establishment. Once, he arranged for me to visit a place that he had favorably reviewed, and my dining partner and I were personally wined and dined by the chef, wine steward and manager. There's something to be said for the power of being recognized as a potential reviewer for a site with a wide distribution and readership.
I am a bit surprised to read from HB, Henio, Dedalus and others that they have been outed or believe that this is a valid issue. I'm not as frequent a visitor as some of them or others, but I do get to clubs about twice a month, including Bernd's and Oase on a fairly regular basis, and have never faced this problem. Some of the girls in these clubs know personal things about me, and my posts sometimes are very descriptive, although I do try to keep personal details that are confided to me by the girls out of my posts. I've also never mentioned to any SP that I post here, although I would guess that some of the more intelligent ones can assume it. Frankly, I don't see the harm in that.
I agree with the general idea that the best posts are those that help in the exchange of information. For me, that exchange also includes sharing information from other forums that most of us don't access on a regular basis, good-natured banter and needling between members, and any post as long as it's relevant to the topic at hand and doesn't insult or otherwise threaten other forum members, racial groups, nationalities, etc. I'm open to it all since the wealth of information gleaned from others enables me to sift through the data and use the information that I find valid to me.
I guess the point of all of this is to give newbies, lurkers and occasional posters the confidence to post. It's always useful and informative. If you're concerned about being outed, keep personal details about yourself and the SP that you've been with to a minimum, and that, the anonymity of the internet, and the discretion we expect (and usually get) of other forum members, should provide enough of a safeguard.
For those wishing to read detailed reviews on the clubs, have to ask a question...where do you live and how often do you visit the clubs?
For a poster who's not planning on visiting the clubs anytime soon, what good does a review do him? If a reviewer weights 400lbs, has body odor and turns off the girls...and I as a reader don't know this fact...what good does his review do me? Now Basketcase's listing of 60 something girls, even if he can't get the last 10 or so is information that I can use...because I know the club has alot of talent to choose from. Do I write down the names of all the girls that get good reviews? No I dont, because its up to me to decide who I like and what feedback im getting from the girls. Has nothing to do with any reviews ive ever read.
There's more than one issue why some don't post reviews. What I said above is a valid reason, although the last description was a stretch (pun intended).
So you Isseu rip a girl in a review...and she knows its you who did the review since your being specific in the details. Now we all know, everyone clicks differently with the girls...your bad session will be Beffens highlight of the trip. So you rip the girl a new one, Beffins sitting at the table with you and by association, his second trip to the room with the girl sucks the big one. Beffin's second session should have been as good as the first 'if' the girl didnt' know that you wrote that negative review.
So I rip a girl in a review (not in the very florid way that you suggested in the first part of your post). She;
* does some instantaneous pattern analysis (Ortos- good one) on her netbook,
* identifies me by my handle,
* remembers me
* remembers the miserable session that we had on one of my previous visits some months ago,
* recalls vividly the details of my critical post,
* sees me sitting, chewing the fat with Beffen.
As you correctly stated, we all click differently with different girls so Beffen still chooses to go with her. There are 2 ways that this can play out. She can;
1) stick it to him. Could happen as retaliation for him being my friend. Doubt it though because she'll be losing a return customer. Beffen may hate me afterwards, but I doubt that too, because he's a pretty smart guy and knows that I've possibly saved him from some bad future sessions.
2) give him a great mind-blowing session to show that I'm a dick wad and she still wants his return business. Girl will still hate me. Beffen will be happy, and comes back to the table all drained and glowing and telling me the error of my ways.
My intial negative review may turn others away from her who might otherwise have been caught in her tendrils. Beffen and others who have previously had good sessions with her will think that I'm a dick wad or else know that we each click differently, and their personal tastes and chemistry are different from mine.
What harm has been caused by my negative review?
I am a pretty regular visitor to the clubs, but wouldn't dream of NOT reporting if I wanted to for fear of being "outed". Whatever that is supposed to entail, and whatever reprisals are supposed to have me quaking in my blue club sandals.
I tell it as I see it. I stand by my reports. Often good reviews of the girls, sometimes not so good. I am happy to give session details, just as I would if reviewing a holiday, a restaurant or other service on the internet. What I try very hard not to do is to divulge anything which would endanger the girl's private sphere in any way. Not that there is much danger of that. She is lying a lot of the time, not unlike me.
I agree with Iseeu and Ortos. If I get upbraided some day by a provider who has identified me as a contributor for some offence she thinks I have committed, it's her opinion only. I don't think it's going to happen, but I fear little, I must say. She can refuse service. I don't care, I repeat relatively rarely, deliberately avoid establishing favourites, and certainly will not waste EUR 50 on an upset teenager seemingly out for revenge! She can try to get others to join her. I don't care, it ultimately won't work, I have good money in my wallet.
From my experience I happen to think that very few girls read reports anyway. On shoes, hair, clothes, cosmetics or filmstars just maybe, but I doubt it, and almost certainly not on the clubs. They already work there upwards of 12 hours a day, and they've got their "boyfriend" to satisfy after that... Hardly time for proud work-ethic driven consideration of the ether's appraisal of their mattress performance as well.
That said, I have been identified once by a girl at a small club for a report on a German site. She loved the report, and thought it was good that the club got some coverage.
What they DON'T like at all, no, no, no, is if you send the club a complaint by email after poor service. :-) :-) At a small club that can get them in big trouble. I have only done that twice, and the club would not have been able to identify me from my message. But the girl could have done so if she was challenged by the club! I did sense on one of my next visits to one club that I was the subject of a whispering campaign around for the sofas for a while. But again, the complaint was deserved in my view. I got great service that evening ;-)
Even more bizarrely on another occasion, one German forum reader copy-pasted a negative report of mine and posted it directly on the feedback section of the club website itself. I guess as an example of the sort of shit this club served up and what were they going to do about it? Now that's taking it a bit far, even if he did not disclose my handle!
So, I also believe we should not feel restricted, the downside is limited. It's no excuse. We should write it as we see it.
Very rarely do I see somebody post sentences that could be entirely my own. This is an emphatic way for me to say that I fully agree with Iseeu's argument above. Reading several esteemed posters contributions during the past day, I was struck with a feeling that these guys are overly concerned about being outed through there posts....or possess paranoid personalities...or both. I really think lots of guys here are over-estimating the exposure of info posted on this isg site to the girls or even idiot pimps who are involved with FKKs.
Hey Man,
Probably correct on a lot of points here, but I would not underestimate how many of the ladies find their way onto this site. Most of the main club's owners and personnel know about it and so do the ladies. Need confirmation? Ask Cordelia.
Having said that, I'm not as worried about being outed by an SP's powers of inductive and deductive reasoning, although I'd be careful not to underestimate this as well.
No, my problem is with the occasional board member who finds it more necessary to use me as a topic of conversation with this girl or that. Oddly enough, it seems to have happened with some guys who I have never met as well as a few that I have only met on a few occasions. Henio is right. This is an odd fetish.
Now I know there are cases, like Henio has mentioned below, where guys have been outed. But I would argue that these are the rare exception, not at all the general rule. There are some real jerk mongers out there who might even print out a post or series of posts on a specific site and actually hand it to a girl he wants to session with and say: "Hey take a look at this!"
Some are jerks, some just don't seem to know any better. Some get comfortable and let their guard down. Some I suspect may even do it out of spite. Who knows?
I myself subscribe entirely to Iseeu's school of thought, namely: I very much doubt there is much if any impact on the FKK scen by our posts, and if some girls do occassionaly read this, they must make a giant leap of comprehension and advanced pattern analysis to link a given post with a guys handle here. Even if she moves in one direction, her conclusion will always be shrouded with alot of doubt or uncertainty. If she confronts you, and you say: "Wtf are you on about? I know nothing of Internet chatter, lol..." There will always be such a margin of error in her mind. But in the end, Do you really give a shit if they do know who you are? LOL! Big deal. Let the seller beware....
Ortos
Well, yes I do give a crap about it. And what's further, I know that you do too. We both have long since grown bored with the average Optikfick session. Getting a gal's A-Game (preferably without emptying the bank account to get it) is what counts. All the better if we can get it out of what we would consider an Optik-Highlight. Also getting a general level of respect from the girls and the management alike is a priority. You are as aware of this as anyone and I know how careful you are about your own club profile. Now I know some locals who run boards or are prominent posters who do not care if a girl knows who they are and what they write. Mostly they get royal treatment but not always and I know a few top-notch SPs who shun them solely because of their part-time journalism.
I find it interesting that a few board members who never or rarely post detailed report about working gals or make "trip-reports" seem to have escaped the brunt of this criticism. I respect their reasons and am grateful for the low-key, practical info that they DO provide. These guys, like many of the maligned senior members who have been doing this for a while and are examining the club scene on a regular basis share valuable info on this board (sometimes low-key, sometimes not) and are VERY generous when it comes to info (on SPs and otherwise) when met in person at the clubs. One might consider this before climbing up on his or her sanctimonious soapbox.
Truthfully, I DO miss the days of great reporting the likes of which Beffen, Novize, Peter and many others contributed. One of the great things to look forward to is when Tosc or Iseeu write up one of their Hunter Thompson-like reports. Much appreciated and thoroughly enjoyed!!!! The rest of us do our best under the circumstances.
This all seemed to start when one contributor (who BTW has provided tons of useful info and interesting reads on non-English boards) made what was admittedly an out of place comment about another prolific poster's "rookie" status; although I suspect the comment was mostly made in jest. For what it's worth, I would have rather seen that dealt with in a more positive and perhaps humorous way rather than so caustically. The poster in question sees the inside of these places more than most of us put together and making him "feel at home" might have been potentially advantageous for the good of the order. Now, we may never know.
Oh, one other thing: Many of those long Anwesenheitsliste that the "rookie" so generously provides (THANKS, BTW!!!) might have possibly been made achievable not only by the "rookie's" keen eye and memory, but also by the aid, scouting, experience and GENEROUSITY of THAT SAME experienced poster that it was so easy to criticize; or others like him who for whatever reason tend to lurk. Ironic, no?
Cheers,
Dedalus, who were it not for a bad head cold would probably be at the World party right now trying to find a free room with Laura.
Vito Corleone
05-31-09, 07:49
go 30 ft to the left as you exit the Nike store, make a u-turn, then walk 60 ft straight ahead. Should be right there :D
Thanks Euro for helping this newbie out!
Vito Corleone
05-31-09, 07:58
I think we need a new category for posters who do not post reviews. I propose the term leeches for this category of posters as they prefer to take information from the forum but do not contribute information. So far, three excuses have emerged:
1. I'm special
"She only sucks dick that way for me, so no sense sharing information on her". The Breadman excuse.
2. I'm lazy
"What, take up my precious time writing a review, I could post 50 snarky comments about directions in that time". The Vito excuse.
3. I'll be outed.
If you are in the clubs as often as HB or BC, I accept there is some legitamcy depending on how much info you share about yourself and the women. But seriously, these women fuck 10 guys a day. If you don't post details of conversations or other items that could identify you, how are they going to identify you. I think you are in more danger of being overheard when giving your handle to other guys at clubs.
Let's not forget many of these women have managers, and internet posters are not high on their list of life concerns. For the others, I'm sure ISG is of much less interest to the girls than the German forums.
How about adding a couple more.
#4 I am waiting for a trip report
EL's excuse
#5 I love Palace, but hate anyone who likes Bernds
Radler's fav
#6 I really hate Jackyo
EL's & Radler's #1 topic
#7 I hate Vito's snarky remarks
Ekliges Lauern
05-31-09, 11:03
How about adding a couple more.
#4 I am waiting for a trip report
EL's excuse
#5 I love Palace, but hate anyone who likes Bernds
Radler's fav
#6 I really hate Jackyo
EL's & Radler's #1 topic
#7 I hate Vito's snarky remarks
I hate to break the news to you, but you aren't worthy of my attention. I may reconsider if you ever post a review or contribute useful information to the forum.
Have a good life.
Regards,
EL
Ekliges Lauern
05-31-09, 11:08
For those wishing to read detailed reviews on the clubs, have to ask a question...where do you live and how often do you visit the clubs?
For a poster who's not planning on visiting the clubs anytime soon, what good does a review do him? If a reviewer weights 400lbs, has body odor and turns off the girls...and I as a reader don't know this fact...what good does his review do me? Now Basketcase's listing of 60 something girls, even if he can't get the last 10 or so is information that I can use...because I know the club has alot of talent to choose from. Do I write down the names of all the girls that get good reviews? No I dont, because its up to me to decide who I like and what feedback im getting from the girls. Has nothing to do with any reviews ive ever read.
I think you are laboring under the misconception that we want reviews of the clubs. For me, the clubs are all about the women. I could care less about the facilities. So I'm not looking for reviews of the clubs but rather the women.
We all know about YMMV. We also know that one tends to get the best service at clubs and with women one frequents regularly. Your excuses to me are just a cover for laziness in not contributing.
To answer the question, I live in the US, but get over for club visits about six times a year. Mix of business and pleasure.
Ekliges Lauern
05-31-09, 11:24
No, my problem is with the occasional board member who finds it more necessary to use me as a topic of conversation with this girl or that. Oddly enough, it seems to have happened with some guys who I have never met as well as a few that I have only met on a few occasions. Henio is right. This is an odd fetish.
Wait a second. I was under the impression that you and Henio were outed because of posting reviews. It seems that you both were outed because another monger outed you.
Seems to me you should be more selective in who you share your board identity with. I don't see how reviews contributed to your being outed or how posting further reviews will put you in danger of future reoccurances.
I'll give you an example. I was standing in the pizza line last night chatting with BC in English. An English speaking monger broke into our conversation and started asking me if it was my first time there and if I was on any of the boards. In a low voice, I said "we don't talk about such things within earshot of the girls". As the pizza line wore on, he said to me, "Are you on board X". I told him again that this was not a topic for discussion in a crowded room.
At that point, BC and I decided the gentleman in question was a twit and lost him in the crowd. No way I would share my board identity with a twit like that. Of course, I may have just done so, but I'm not concerned because the chances we will cross paths again are remote.
If you are reading this, twit, shut the fuck up about the internet and boards within the clubs.
Groups of English speakers are suspicious to the girls. I have been asked many a time by the girls how I know BC. I suggest that you have a cover story for this situation that is plausible.
You should exercise discretion within the club, never discuss boards, the internet or handles in the clubs, you will be quite safe from being outed. Since the issue really wasn't being outed because of reviews, how about contributing one or two once in a while?
M P Lurker
05-31-09, 11:40
I think you are laboring under the misconception that we want reviews of the clubs. For me, the clubs are all about the women. I could care less about the facilities. So I'm not looking for reviews of the clubs but rather the women.
We all know about YMMV. We also know that one tends to get the best service at clubs and with women one frequents regularly. Your excuses to me are just a cover for laziness in not contributing.
To answer the question, I live in the US, but get over for club visits about six times a year. Mix of business nd pleasure.I msotly agree with EL here.
The clubs facilities are not such a big deal, as long as reach some level of acceptability, even if I complain that food wasn't as good as somewhere else. It just doesn't matter. I have never had issues with the showers :D at any club. O.K. World had no hand basins with the showers to clean your teeth, but we make do.
Its about the range of girls that meet our specs and give a good time. I don't care how many bad girls there are as long as more than enough good ones.
Yesterday went to the Palace midday. Had a choice of Nicholetta, Bee, Didi, Mitsu, Kiara, etc. (all known to be great performing girls). It wasn't busy. Probably plenty of other great girls I never even tried yet (some seemed popular).
Getting back to posting reports about girls. Breadman seemed to suggest that they weren't that useful. O.K. a single guy, 400 lbs who stinks writes a bad report. We don't know him, but we can maintain some level of skepticism. If 5 different guys write a bad report on the girl and no-one defends her, then we are starting to believe she may not be real good.
But if I write that I had a fantastic time with Linda, Magda, Bee, Kimmi or Mitsu, etc. and no one disagrees or others confirm, then others can start to build up a list of possibly consistent performers (assuming some chemistry exists) based on general agreement of the forum.
O.K. Different girls have different styles, but a detailed report can give an idea of what style is possible with a girl.
Some guys will get a reputation for reliable advise.
Myrmidion recently looked for girls recommended by several guys on the forum and generally had a great time with great girls. Maybe the odd chemistry mismatch, but was able to avoid the real sharks. His research paid off.
I very much like to get advice from other guys known to have very similar taste to myself. In return I post info on girls who gave me a fantastic time. I put much less effort into talking about girls who were ordinary or below par.
I don't like to blaim girls too much who perhaps didn't feel any chemistry with me at all.
Its great to be able to have a list of girls names that we can be sure will be a good session. e.g. So many have recommended Michelle at Oase. A new guy to Oase can always consider Michelle if unsure.
Wait a second. I was under the impression that you and Henio were outed because of posting reviews. It seems that you both were outed because another monger outed you. It was a case of someone having the need to have in depth discussion about my relationship with one of the girls and in that revealing my board identity hence the reports became the issue. When confronted by the girl I told her I had no idea what she was talking about. She then went on reading my reports that I had given out details about our sessions, given the dates etc. and got it confirmed that Henio was indeed me. She felt betrayed that I would have written about the time we spent together. It is not a huge deal really and fortunately she seems to have kept it to her self, but I was never able to get the kind of quality sessions with that girl as I had before.
I have been in this game long enough to understand that it is first and foremost about money, but every now and then you meet a girl that you have great chemistry with and the sessions become pretty damn good. I hate to screw that up like I did that time be revaling too much.
I have no problems sharing info and I will continue to do so in a bit less detail than I used to. I was just overdoing the detail level before to the point it became pretty easy for a girl doing her research to figure it out. She probably would not have started that if it had not been for the indiscretion of a fellow board member so yes, it started out by someone ratting on me, but I would easily had talked my way out of that one had it not been for my detailed reports. This should usually not become a problem unless it is a regular girl you do as it was in my case.
Seems to me you should be more selective in who you share your board identity with. I don't see how reviews contributed to your being outed or how posting further reviews will put you in danger of future reoccurances.
The reviews are what was outed. If it had not been the reviews, nothing is to be outed. That is the link. It is like saying "there is no connection between being drunk and being caught for drunk driving", but you are right about being selective who you reveal your identity to. I for one am much more selective than before after that little incident. Live and learn.
Groups of English speakers are suspicious to the girls. I have been asked many a time by the girls how I know BC. I suggest that you have a cover story for this situation that is plausible.
Yes, often girls ask how to you know so and so. My usual response is that I met him in the club and since we were both non-germans and spoke English we just started chatting and when we meet at club we hang out. When I am asked about things connected to internet postings (which is not often) my usual response acting shocked that anyone would write down such private moments and also that my German is not good enough to parttake in any of that stuff hence dismissing any knowledge of English boards. I have had girls say "you know there is English boards too". "Really, I had no idea" is my standard response followed by "please suck my lolly now sweety".
You should exercise discretion within the club, never discuss boards, the internet or handles in the clubs, you will be quite safe from being outed. Since the issue really wasn't being outed because of reviews, how about contributing one or two once in a while?
Hey,
Henio has pretty well covered the links between reporting, indiscretion and being outed. As my situation(s) mirror his somewhat, I'll consider that matter adequately dealt with.
As to my reporting: You seem to have been banging that drum in my direction for a while now, while leaving others who report less frequently and contribute far less information than I and others do alone. Frankly I find your "Star Chamber" in this regard to be selective and a bit capricious. But this is of course your right.
I do think that it was a shame the way you jumped on FG for his remarks. They were in all probability made in jest and not meant to be at all demeaning. Plus, although I was not in the room, I'd almost bet you dollars to doughnuts that FG as helped your buddy compile many of those valuable Anwesenheitsliste. Admittedly, this is only a hunch on my part and if I am wrong, then I stand corrected. However BC is too smart to run around a club with a clipboard and pen taking a census, and while he is social, he's certainly not taking every bird aside and pounding them for their Steckbrief details. The man has an exceptional memory and an eye for details, but no doubt generous sharing of info by a few seasoned clubbers helped with those lists. (Very much a valuable contribution! Thanks BC!!!)
FG's posting Bona Fides may not be so prevalent on this board, but they are quite so on other non-English boards and understanding this might have been useful in helping him feel comfortable sharing is knowledge here as well. Rather than jump ugly with the guy (who BTW is about as friendly a dude that you will meet) it might have paid dividends to get to know him first. Instead, well...we know what happened.
Frankly, I just don't get the need to be so argumentative. I'm not referring to healthy disagreement and discussion. I respect that and I have no problem with you or anyone else addressing what you perceive as inaccuracies or expressing another opinion. Also I enjoy your reports and find your opinions valuable and interesting. But I don't get argumentative "edge" or the belligerence. It's one of the reasons that I give board dialogue with you a wide berth. Also probably why I didn’t alter my plans so as to meet up with you last year. I seem to recall you taking great offense at that.
Clearly I'm not your type of board contributor. That is perfectly OK. Clearly you see no value in the information that I provide or in the way in which I provide it. This is also fine by me. Clearly since I write up "trip-reports" less frequently than I use to for a variety of reasons, this diminishes my esteem in your eyes. I can also live with that.
A blessing on your house my friend,
Dedalus
"Really, I had no idea" is my standard response followed by "please suck my lolly now sweety".
You always were a silly ole' romantic there, Hen.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Ozzy Ozzman
05-31-09, 22:46
I was doing some research on older postings in the Palace thread, when I came across these exchanges from the spring of 2008. They should be of some interest with regard to the topic of girls reading the forum.
It starts of in March 2008 when a guy gives a girl a negative review:
I had intended for my second date to be with Lena, but I couldn't find her for a solid hour so opted for another gal high on my do-list, Sandra, a tall and slim blond girl from Aachen. I explained exactly what I wanted--lots of look, touch, etc., and explained I wanted a half hour with no extras. Our session started off great, especially as she had a world-class pussy as a part of a lovely body. I was giving her a thorough pussy massage when she said, "you can put it in both holes"--meaning my fingers. I didn't, however, put my finger in her bum but did some harmless finger insertion in her vagina. Later she swore she had said, "For another 50 you can put it in both holes," but I have my doubts. Needless to say, all went fine until I was back at the cash locker and paid her the 50 I owed her when she pointed out that I owed her another 50 "for both holes." I objected, and suggested that if she insisted I would be happy to speak to a manager.
She passed the word for the manager, and soon an older gentlemen and woman showed up and "Sandra" unloaded to them--in English, courteously enough. There was considerable discussion in German between Sandra and the lady, and I could tell by Sandra's body language that it wasn't going her way. Finally the manageress said to me, "Let us compromise--you give her another 20 . . ." and Sandra said, "No, I want nothing!"
That was fine with me, as she wouldn't get a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) from me if she was on fire, even if it meant getting the heave-ho for good. The manageress went on to apologize, and encouraged me to not let one misunderstanding ruin my opinion of the Palace, etc.
I really don't understand the mentality of girls like Sandra. She turned a great time into a miserable memory. If she had prevailed, did she think that I would just forget? I made a mental note --AGAIN--to make it absolutely clear that I would accept no upsells once a session has begun.
All in all, though, I did have a great time, but trust that you'll give Sandra a wide berth. Or if not, say, "Well, I would like to do you, but I've heard what you did to my pal Johnny--so go pound sand!"As there apparently was a heated discussion afterwards, this episode must obviously have stuck in Sandra's mind. Two months later, in May, comes the reply:
Listen: finger inside if ass or not, in pussy is 50 € extra. I told you this. Twice! And you went on to do this. So that meant you accepted it. If you put just in pussy and not in ass doesn't matter, it is 50 € extra. YOU told later to the house-chef I didn't tell you for this extra. That is why I did not got my money. And this is not correct from YOU! Because I told you the price and I made you a good time. I never had problem like this just with YOU. I am always correct to the men. So I want from men to be the same to me: correct. And you did not have been. I always do my best to make men happy. And it is no wonder that girls do not work with heart when they had men like you before, who makes show because of 50 € for extra you got.EL is nice enough to welcome Sandra to the board:
BTW, welcome to the forum. It would be good to have a woman's perspective here, so stick around.Then asks this pertinent question:
So I have a question for you, Sandra. What do the ladies at Palace think of these internet sites, the reviews and the men who write them? Don't hold back.And gets this reply:
Hi radler,
This is the last thing I will write here, just to answer your question: the most girls doesn't take care of the forums, even some don't still know the forum sites. It is ok if everybody write down what really happened.
But: one girl is not to every customer the same. (you know what I mean, my english is not so goo) that means a girl act always different, f. E. Blow job or sex, depends also on man. So one man write she is the best, an other write she is very bad. I think everybody has to make his own experience and not believe everything what is written in the forums.
ByeUnfortunately, Sandra has only one post after that one (which BTW was also a post replying to a post about herself). But who knows, perhaps she is still out there, lurking and perusing together with her fellow SPs.
Ozzy
Vito Corleone
06-01-09, 01:07
I hate to break the news to you, but you aren't worthy of my attention. I may reconsider if you ever post a review or contribute useful information to the forum.
Have a good life.
Regards,
EL
We are all waiting for your trip report!
Vito Corleone
06-01-09, 01:18
Special report for Ekliges Lauern,
I was planning to write a trip report, but Mr. EL really hurt my self esteem with his latest reply. I will try again after I gain some confidence & recover from his personal attacks!
Vito Corleone
06-01-09, 01:22
I hate to break the news to you, but you aren't worthy of my attention. I may reconsider if you ever post a review or contribute useful information to the forum.
Have a good life.
Regards,
EL
Vito Corleone is not worth EL's attention!
Vito Corleone
06-01-09, 01:25
I hate to break the news to you, but you aren't worthy of my attention. I may reconsider if you ever post a review or contribute useful information to the forum.
Have a good life.
Regards,
EL
EL may reconsider if Vito posts a review or contributes useful information to the forum!
Ekliges Lauern
06-01-09, 03:16
As to my reporting: You seem to have been banging that drum in my direction for a while now, while leaving others who report less frequently and contribute far less information than I and others do alone. Frankly I find your "Star Chamber" in this regard to be selective and a bit capricious. But this is of course your right.
My comments were aimed at both you and Henio as you both have pretty much the same story for why you don't post reviews. We (the forum) were discussing why posters post, lurkers lurk and leeches leech. You both posted an opinion and I responded that I thought your (yours and Henio's) excuses were somewhat weak as your weren't outed because of reviews you wrote, but rather because you shared your internet identity with someone untrustworthy.
I don't really want to be a "star chamber" per se. I do think that those who post reviews contribute more to the forum than those who don't.
I do think that it was a shame the way you jumped on FG for his remarks. They were in all probability made in jest and not meant to be at all demeaning. Plus, although I was not in the room, I'd almost bet you dollars to doughnuts that FG as helped your buddy compile many of those valuable Anwesenheitsliste.
I'll address your second point first. I know the secret of how BC compiles the lists and it does not involve help from FG. Before anyone asks, I intend to take that secret with me to the grave.
As for your first point, FG questioned BC's cred. BC has easily contributed more reviews and actionable intelligence over the last year than anyone else on this board. With all due respect, when FG jumped on BC, I don't see anything wrong in questioning FG's cred. I'm sure he is a nice guy in person. But, he's been around this board since 2006, so it's not like this was his newbee post. As to whether the post was made in jest, it did not come off that way.
FG's posting Bona Fides may not be so prevalent on this board, but they are quite so on other non-English boards and understanding this might have been useful in helping him feel comfortable sharing is knowledge here as well. Rather than jump ugly with the guy (who BTW is about as friendly a dude that you will meet) it might have paid dividends to get to know him first. Instead, well...we know what happened.
That's nice. The guy's been around since 2006, so I'm not sure what he has been waiting for. I really don't think little old me scared him off.
Frankly, I just don't get the need to be so argumentative. I'm not referring to healthy disagreement and discussion. I respect that and I have no problem with you or anyone else addressing what you perceive as inaccuracies or expressing another opinion. Also I enjoy your reports and find your opinions valuable and interesting. But I don't get argumentative "edge" or the belligerence. It's one of the reasons that I give board dialogue with you a wide berth.
I went back and re-read my post and I don't see what you find argumentative or beligerent about it. I disagreed with you and Henio and told you why, which is within the norms of the forum. It kind of reminds me of another poster who when I post disagreeing with him, he immediately claims "personal attack".
Maybe you can point out in that post exactly what you considered argumentative or beligerent.
Also probably why I didn’t alter my plans so as to meet up with you last year. I seem to recall you taking great offense at that.
That was done in jest in response to some of your comments that I considered questionable. Rather than re-dredge up that episode, may I suggest you get over it.
A blessing on your house my friend,
Likewise.
Regards,
EL
Hessen Bub
06-01-09, 08:52
But who knows, perhaps she is still out there, lurking and perusing together with her fellow SPs.
She is still reading the board, and the German boards. She's at Paradise right now.
HB
Ekliges Lauern
06-01-09, 13:40
It starts of in March 2008 when a guy gives a girl a negative review:
She seems to have disappeared from the scene (ed. note: I stand corrected based on HB's post). I haven't seen her in my palace visits in about a year. I sessioned with her about three times and always got super nice service from her.
I had suspect she had figured out who I was as service improved for me as after the incident in question, I seemed to be getting her A+ game, not just her A game. Sandra was somewhat professional and I believe she appreciated good reviews as it helped her business. I suspect the only reason she emerged was over concern as to what a negative review was going to do to her business.
At the end of the day, I suspected this was a case of YMMV in a big way. If Sandra thought you were a one time only visitor or didn't like you, the fins emerged. I was known as a semi-regular good customer, so I got her A game. There were other reports back then praising her as well.
gents,
i rented a car on the continent for the first time during my last fkk tour. id booked a merc in keeping with my socio economic status but unfortunately, due to a clerical error they only had a smart car with the sixti signage on the side. anyway overall i feel i did rather well for a first timer.
i was confused by the speed limits on what we call a roads here in the uk. most of the roads i took between the airport and vv were in this class. there were plently of 70 signs and the odd 50 as i went thru a vill, but what i couldnt work out is what speed i could go up to once the 70 restriction ended and how i should know its ended.
i think they must have something equivelant to the national speed limit sign here which doesnt indicate the maximum permissable speed, but means 60 or 70 depending on whether the road is single or multiple carriageway.
please could one of you advise.
thanks
z
gents,
i rented a car on the continent for the first time during my last fkk tour. id booked a merc in keeping with my socio economic status but unfortunately, due to a clerical error they only had a smart car with the sixti signage on the side. anyway overall i feel i did rather well for a first timer.
i was confused by the speed limits on what we call a roads here in the uk. most of the roads i took between the airport and vv were in this class. there were plently of 70 signs and the odd 50 as i went thru a vill, but what i couldnt work out is what speed i could go up to once the 70 restriction ended and how i should know its ended.
i think they must have something equivelant to the national speed limit sign here which doesnt indicate the maximum permissable speed, but means 60 or 70 depending on whether the road is single or multiple carriageway.
please could one of you advise.
thanks
z speed limit on a country road in germany is 100 km/h if there is no indicated restriction on it.
Nice one thanks very much Henio.
World Health Organization declares swine flu pandemic
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/news/2009/06/090611_pandemic_nh_sl.shtml
What are your latest thoughts on catching swine flu in German sex clubs?
Have any of you guys caught it yet?
Has anyone heard of any working girl that may have caught it for instance?
Are we at a bigger risk of being infected by visiting these clubs than the general population who dont visit?
I assume the girls have a bigger risk of catching swine flu because they come into much closer proximity with strangers than the average person?
Have any of you guys stopped visiting sex clubs for fear of catching it?
Please give your feedback cos I am concerned about this. After all condoms wont stop swine flu.
Ekliges Lauern
06-12-09, 15:44
World Health Organization declares swine flu pandemic
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/news/2009/06/090611_pandemic_nh_sl.shtml
What are your latest thoughts on catching swine flu in German sex clubs?
Have any of you guys caught it yet?
Has anyone heard of any working girl that may have caught it for instance?
Are we at a bigger risk of being infected by visiting these clubs than the general population who dont visit?
I assume the girls have a bigger risk of catching swine flu because they come into much closer proximity with strangers than the average person?
Have any of you guys stopped visiting sex clubs for fear of catching it?
Please give your feedback cos I am concerned about this. After all condoms wont stop swine flu.
In the US, the mortality rate is running at 0.1%. So no, I'm not concerned nor will it affect my mongering habits.
...sex clubs for fear of catching it?
Please give your feedback cos I am concerned about this. After all condoms wont stop swine flu. I am wearing an airtight full body size condom. The biggest problem is the oxygen tank I have to drag along, but it is a great conversation starter in the clubs.
Anyways, not worried about the swine flu any more than any other flu. I used to catch all kind of flu shit doing FKK stuff years back, but got into the habit of using Listering mouthwash before and after sessions and eating the Listerine thins from the pocket packs in between that and it has kept me away from getting catching any kind of flu or other similar crap for the last few years.
I am wearing an airtight full body size condom. The biggest problem is the oxygen tank I have to drag along, but it is a great conversation starter in the clubs.
Henio, I see you wrote this at 2.14am.
So I'm wondering if you sleep in that condom as well?
If so, I presume you have to sleep on your belly or is the oxygen tank detachable?
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